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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Anguyen92 on September 10, 2021, 10:28:04 AM
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Previous season thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55798.0
Training camp is upon us, but let us revel in what happened in this offseason. Well, a lot of free agents signed for a buttload of money. I think the final total of dollars in free agents for the league in the contracts signed has to be over $1 Billion. Lots of "named" value defensemen had signed to some rather lengthy and huge contracts.
There are still some RFAs that are key players to their respective teams that still needs a deal. Kirill Kaprizov (Wild), Elias Pettersson and Quinn Hughes (Canucks), Brady Tkachuk (Senators), and many others.
Will guys like Jack Eichel or Vladimir Tarasenko get traded before the season starts?
Also, the NHL stated that they will, reluctantly it seems, move forward with sending their players to the Olympics for the Winter Games next year. However, and why the question marks in the title, it seems like they will have an out clause if certain things does not look favorable to their decision. They will have until January to opt out, I think.
Anywho, let's us enjoy this full season and maybe we can go see a game or two live. I'm looking at the Kings' weekend home game schedules and not many great matchups there for the rest of 2021. They are playing the Habs on 10/30, but that's the same day as the DT show in LA, and I already bought the tickets for DT, oh well.
Edit: Shoot, I actually have a better subtitle in mind. I forgot about Seattle. We'll see what surprises they have for us in their first season.
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First! With preseason coming up, I'm glad someone finally started a new thread.
Don't think I'm going back in on my Sabres season tickets, given the US border is still closed to essential personnel only. I have no idea how Eichel moves, and anyone 'wins' the trade. That is the most fucked up player situation in the last ... long while. No idea what the sticking points are for those outstanding RFAs, but I don't think the Canucks are going to see Hughes or Peterson sit. Kaprizov might "sit" in Russia though.
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Patrice Bergeron said he will wait until after the season to decide if he will play another season with the B's. He's in his 18th season. If this is indeed his last season, no one did it better, classier than he did.
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Patrice Bergeron said he will wait until after the season to decide if he will play another season with the B's. He's in his 18th season. If this is indeed his last season, no one did it better, classier than he did.
Ain't gonna argue that.
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My group gave up our Oilers season seats before the 2019-20 season, and it honestly hasn't bothered me one bit. Will i miss going to playoff games? Sure, but i found myself not even wanting to go to regular season games because of the inconvenience (travel, cost -a beer or 2, parking if i drove instead of used the train, getting home at 11 or midnight and up at 5 the next morning). Having the benefit of hindsight in regard to covid, it makes it decision that much better. Sportsnet does a good enough job with the broadcast that I'd rather watch at home.
I'm optimistic about the Oilers. As was mentioned by others in the other thread, they're almost a lock for the playoffs in a weak Pacific Division. Overall, i think the team is better this year than last year, and I'll be surprised if they aren't pushing Vegas for the division.
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Did I miss their trade / signing of a #1 goalie?? :neverusethis:
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Patrice Bergeron said he will wait until after the season to decide if he will play another season with the B's. He's in his 18th season. If this is indeed his last season, no one did it better, classier than he did.
I would cheat on David Backes with Patrice Bergeron.
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Patrice Bergeron said he will wait until after the season to decide if he will play another season with the B's. He's in his 18th season. If this is indeed his last season, no one did it better, classier than he did.
I would cheat on David Backes with Patrice Bergeron.
My boss said something to that effect when I let him borrow a CD from Sarah McLachlan. He described listening to is like he was cheating on his wife. LOL
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Ahem... it is RELEASE THE KRAKEN, not UNLEASH THE KRAKEN.
I played baseball, soccer, tennis, football, golf, basketball growing up. Watched them all on TV with my dad. He coached some of my teams. To me hockey was just a sport they played in Canada. I never bothered to watch it, learn it, appreciate it.
I am happy we have a team up here now, if only because it gets the region's sports fans something else to get excited about. With no NBA team, an MLB team whose playoff drought can legally buy alcohol, and only one top tier NCAA school within hundreds of miles, having another sports team is great. I love seeing people wearing Kraken gear.
* yes, I know I left out the Sounders and the Storm.
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So, are you a hockey fan then?
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No, I am not. I wish I could say I have it an honest chance. But I never did. So I don't hate it either. I just don't have any opinions either way.
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Ahem... it is RELEASE THE KRAKEN, not UNLEASH THE KRAKEN.
Good, I get to rile up the Seattle guy then. The unintentional plan is working in building a rivalry among this community in the crappy Pacific division.
I could change it to your line, or I could go back to my original line of "Going to the Olympics in Beijing? Fingers Crossed?" Or not change it at all.
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Did you not read the rest of my post where I said I don't follow hockey? :p
Speaking of rivalries, it has always been a bit awkward here when it comes to rivals. UW-WSU is the best we have. In the pro sports, the closest teams are so far away. The Mariners have never really had a rival, due to both geography and 40+ years of sucking. The Sonics didn't really either, at least when I followed the NBA. When I grew up, we tried to think of the Broncos or Raiders as rivals of the Seahawks, but that was only because we were in the same division. Manufactured rivalries are no rivalries at all. We had the 49ers for a few good years because of Carroll/Harbaugh, but that is gone now.
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I did, I just choose not to focus on that part when making the response. I mean, in your case, it's probably a good time to get into hockey with all of the newcomer buzz with the Kraken. You are welcomed here. Up to you. The Kraken's closest divisional rival would be the Vancouver Canucks. A team that has a fair amount of upside, and solid young talent, headed by a GM that seems to make a trade/signing that rips their fans' hair off every offseason. I laughed at those fans a lot during 2011-2012, when the Kings had their cup-winning peaks, but it's just not as funny anymore.
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Honestly if this was 10 years ago, I'd be all over this. At this point in my life, sports just doesn't hold the level of interest it used to. But then here I am, at 930p at night on a Friday, posting in the NHL thread on the discussion forum centered around a prog-metal band. :loser:
I so hope a natural rivalry with YVR develops organically, and doesn't just exist due to proximity. It seems that has happened with PDX in MLS.
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I have always been fascinated by hockey. But because of the LACK of coverage in a non-NHL city, it just made it more challenging to follow.
What’s going to be SUPER WEIRD is having to try and pretend the Canuck’s are “rivals”, when they’ve actually been the closest thing I’ve had to a hometown team for the last 40 years.
I remember the classic V uniforms. I actually dreamed of owning one as a kid, but you couldn’t exactly pick up NHL jerseys around here.
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Did I miss their trade / signing of a #1 goalie?? :neverusethis:
I said better than last year, not top Cup contender. Remember, last season Koskinen was going to be carrying this team heading into camp. The team is better at the start just knowing Koskinen might end his NHL career in the minors. There's serious talk that Alex Stalok use going to win the back up job
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I have always been fascinated by hockey. But because of the LACK of coverage in a non-NHL city, it just made it more challenging to follow.
What’s going to be SUPER WEIRD is having to try and pretend the Canuck’s are “rivals”, when they’ve actually been the closest thing I’ve had to a hometown team for the last 40 years.
I remember the classic V uniforms. I actually dreamed of owning one as a kid, but you couldn’t exactly pick up NHL jerseys around here.
That's exactly how so many Western Canadians became Seahawks and Mariner fans. Seattle was the closest city with a team. Well, maybe the Twins are closer to me, but nobody cheers for the Twins. Nobody
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Did I miss their trade / signing of a #1 goalie?? :neverusethis:
I said better than last year, not top Cup contender. Remember, last season Koskinen was going to be carrying this team heading into camp. The team is better at the start just knowing Koskinen might end his NHL career in the minors. There's serious talk that Alex Stalok use going to win the back up job
The fact that the chips are in the middle of the table on a 39-year old Mike Smith to carry the load should be concerning (I would think).
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Did I miss their trade / signing of a #1 goalie?? :neverusethis:
I said better than last year, not top Cup contender. Remember, last season Koskinen was going to be carrying this team heading into camp. The team is better at the start just knowing Koskinen might end his NHL career in the minors. There's serious talk that Alex Stalok use going to win the back up job
The fact that the chips are in the middle of the table on a 39-year old Mike Smith to carry the load should be concerning (I would think).
100%.
Everyone in town is honestly hoping that Stalock turns out to be like a Dwayne Roloson: long time in the league, but very little mileage due to his time as a backup. He's looking really good coming into this season. Soooo, basically we're putting all our chips in either a 39 y/o tender or a completely unknown darkhorse. Damn that's depressing now that I'm saying it.
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Kinda like Jack Campbell last year, who turned out to produce the goods. It’s not a bad thing to hope for, and not totally unrealistic.
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Oil sign Yamamoto to a dirt cheap 'show me' contract. This could cause a difficult decision next year if both he and Jesse Puljujarvi have good seasons, as both will be RFA's next summer. If it means a deep playoff run, I'll still take it.
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Kings re-signed Cal Petersen. $5M x 3 years that will kick in the season after this season. I'm fine with it. People say it may be too much money for a guy that hasn't started that many games (54 games in three seasons), but after this season, Quick only has one year left on his contract and the team needs to commit to a new starter and they deemed Petersen to be the guy for now. He should be ok. As for the team, it's a big we'll see and play the games out with the new guys they acquired and fingers crossed that their big prospects takes a bigger step/presence on the main roster and plays like it.
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Eichel stripped of his captaincy amid ongoing dispute regarding neck injury/surgery. He failed his physical with a herniated disc in his neck. Sabres won't name a captain this year.
https://www.nhl.com/news/jack-eichel-stripped-of-buffalo-captaincy-placed-on-ir-with-neck-injury/c-326273214
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No surprise there. You can't have a guy as captain who's been very vocal about not wanting to play for your team.
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Meanwhile, regarding Covid and the Red Wings, you have this:
https://www.freep.com/story/news/health/2021/09/23/manny-legace-covid-19-henry-ford-macomb-hospital-detroit-red-wings/5831958001/
along with this:
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nhl/red-wings/2021/09/23/detroit-red-wings-tyler-bertuzzi-my-choice-refuse-covid-vaccine/5828912001/
Life choice, or a death wish. Pick your poison. :facepalm:
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Hopefully they give Bertuzzi the Rinaldo treatment and send him packing to the AHL. Big difference in player, though, between those two, so I doubt the wings will go that route. The oilers are keeping Josh Archibald out of camp for his vax status.
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Rich.. your hopes for Stalock seem to be up in smoke.
https://oilersnation.com/2021/09/22/alex-stalock-is-likely-to-miss-all-of-2021-22-due-to-a-heart-condition-developed-after-contracting-covid-19/
And yeah... I hope teams take a hardline on unvax'd players. Test 2 x daily then, mother fucker. COVID can show up at anytime, so players better damned well be negative before engaging with other players.
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Rich.. your hopes for Stalock seem to be up in smoke.
https://oilersnation.com/2021/09/22/alex-stalock-is-likely-to-miss-all-of-2021-22-due-to-a-heart-condition-developed-after-contracting-covid-19/
And yeah... I hope teams take a hardline on unvax'd players. Test 2 x daily then, mother fucker. COVID can show up at anytime, so players better damned well be negative before engaging with other players.
For fuck's sake! I saw an Edmonton journal headline this morning about the oil's success being on the shoulders of Smith and Koskinen, but i didn't bother reading the article.
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Rich.. your hopes for Stalock seem to be up in smoke.
https://oilersnation.com/2021/09/22/alex-stalock-is-likely-to-miss-all-of-2021-22-due-to-a-heart-condition-developed-after-contracting-covid-19/
And yeah... I hope teams take a hardline on unvax'd players. Test 2 x daily then, mother fucker. COVID can show up at anytime, so players better damned well be negative before engaging with other players.
For fuck's sake! I saw an Edmonton journal headline this morning about the oil's success being on the shoulders of Smith and Koskinen, but i didn't bother reading the article.
So you're saying a wildcard spot would be a successful season! Damn dude, I feel for you. I really do.
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Should shoot higher than a wildcard spot. This division is so bad and that there's no way McDavid cannot carry them to top 3 playoff spot alone. Post-season, different story. It will be Canucks, Flames, Kings, and Kraken fighting it out for the final top 3 spot and maybe a wild card (but the Central looks better that I see 5 teams from that division making the playoffs). Lots of question marks on those four could-be teams I mentioned that needs to prove something this season.
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Knights (on paper) have a lock. Oil should have a lock too... but if the Canucks and Flames get their shit together, and the Kraken gel out of the gate (including Grubauer playing like a Top 5 goalie), things could get dicey - especially if Smith plays like most 40-year olds do, and Koskinen plays like Koskinen.
I'd be nervous if I'm an Oil fan.
I'm nervous as a Leaf fan - I think they'll be fighting with Boston for #3, and the Metro could quite possibly have 3 teams squarely in the hunt for the WCs.
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Well, with the DT show being postponed, that left 10/30 opened for me. I checked the available tickets for Kings and Habs and saw that the game was going to be at 1PM...... I could have done both in the same day without worry of overlap if the DT tour was still on in the Fall.
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Pasta has his own ...pasta!
(https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAPb59A.img?h=632&w=1123&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f&x=472&y=140)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/bruins-star-david-pastrnak-launches-limited-edition-pasta-for-good-cause/ar-AAPb9rC?li=BBnbfcL
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Will the Rangers be good this year? Should I get my hopes up? In a stacked Metro division probably not, but I’m nothing if not stubbornly loyal to my teams. Hey at least we’re back to the regular alignment and don’t have to deal with Boston in the division this year.
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I still can't believe Adam Fox win the Norris. I admittedly don't watch a ton of Rangers games, but I have literally never noticed him before.
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Will the Rangers be good this year? Should I get my hopes up? In a stacked Metro division probably not, but I’m nothing if not stubbornly loyal to my teams. Hey at least we’re back to the regular alignment and don’t have to deal with Boston in the division this year.
I think they've got a very good shot at a WC, and maybe even 3rd this year. I think Carolina and NYI are the top 2, but even though Pitt and Wash continue to age, they are still formidable. Depending on how Boston and Toronto fare with all their changes, I have a strong suspicion the Metro could send 5 teams to the playoffs.
I guess we should all be coming up with predictions soon - both standings and individual awards.
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https://twitter.com/TheHockeyNews/status/1445548717445054464?t=yxWWX40zUsinnieCo6hZFQ&s=08 (https://twitter.com/TheHockeyNews/status/1445548717445054464?t=yxWWX40zUsinnieCo6hZFQ&s=08)
For the Evander Kane fans out there (jk, i know there aren't any).
I sure hope this clown is done in the league
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Yeah... he's a bit of a shit show. It's hard to believe all of these allegations are unfounded. Unless his ex is Nikki Minaj cray-cray.
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I just wish if we read news on Evander Kane that it's something positive towards his well-being. That's not happening much nowadays.
Also, yesterday's preseason Kings/Yotes was a huge downer. Kings did everything well in the first 40 minutes to give me that hope that they look like a good team. Byfield and Vilardi was creating scoring chances in most of the scenarios they were in. Byfield having a awkward collision that resulted in what looks to be an ankle injury in the 3rd really killed the mood of the team pretty hard. I just hope it's nothing too serious for Byfield. Early thoughts doesn't look that way.
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Wow, Linus Ullmark fucking blows.
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Wow, Linus Ullmark fucking blows.
So it wasn't the team in front of him for the last couple of years?
Ok... just watched the highlights. You can't really fault him on goals 1, and 3. The OT goal ... blame goes more to Bergeron or Marchand for both attacking Oshie right at the net, giving up a clear 2-on-1. Honestly, Vanacek looked worse on the goals he gave up.
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All right, regular season starts today, I think. I also updated the title since people are getting injured left and right or is on COVID protocol.
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Matthews is gonna miss the first 3 games until he's fully healed from his surgery
Mikheyev is out 8 weeks (he's on the 2nd line wing). The team has already put him on LTIR
Marner apparently got bowled over by Simmonds in practice, and had to leave the ice. No one dropped the gloves to set Simmonds straight though. Nice teammates! :lol
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Let's get it Kraken!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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Found this commercial from MassMutual. It's a nice way to breath some laughter out of a not so ideal scenario for Capitals fans where Ovi and Backstrom is on the shelf at the moment. A commercial of Ovi and Backstrom lounging in Ovi's house.
https://twitter.com/massmutual/status/1447986675116699659
Edit: Even Misha Mansoor of Periphery liked this.
https://twitter.com/mishaperiphery/status/1448034223428751361
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Watching the Seattle Kracken on ESPN. Looks like we are continuing a Seattle legacy of coming out of the gate as losers. LOL
Is anyone else getting a weird echo from the play on the ice?
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Oh shit, it's 2-0 already. :lol They had such a great first shift too.
I went back to the baseball game after the PP.
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Watching the Seattle Kracken on ESPN. Looks like we are continuing a Seattle legacy of coming out of the gate as losers. LOL
We have 5 players, and the radio play-by-play guy, in Covid protocol. How fail is that?!
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:lol
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In spite of the score, I really like the way they’re playing. Very aggressive, and they’ve had some good opportunities that just got a bad bounce.
That missed breakaway broke my heart. That would have been a fantastic “1st goal in franchise history.”
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In spite of the score, I really like the way they’re playing. Very aggressive, and they’ve had some good opportunities that just got a bad bounce.
That missed breakaway broke my heart. That would have been a fantastic “1st goal in franchise history.”
First broken heart in franchise history. :lol
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In spite of the score, I really like the way they’re playing. Very aggressive, and they’ve had some good opportunities that just got a bad bounce.
That missed breakaway broke my heart. That would have been a fantastic “1st goal in franchise history.”
First broken heart in franchise history. :lol
I’m sure there will be many many more. ::)
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This game suddenly got interesting
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TIED!!!
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^^ Only for a brief moment sadly.
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Well…at least they made it interesting
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I watched the first period, then caught the recap this morning. Looks like it was at least a more entertaining game than Pitt/TB. Kraken looked pretty competitive against what (should be) a top-5 team in the league. :tup
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In spite of the score, I really like the way they’re playing. Very aggressive, and they’ve had some good opportunities that just got a bad bounce.
That missed breakaway broke my heart. That would have been a fantastic “1st goal in franchise history.”
First broken heart in franchise history. :lol
Crushing hockey losses are 10 times worse than in any other team sport. I've experienced plenty of crushing losses in both baseball (back when I cared about it) and football, but none of them compare to the most crushing Blues losses, of which there have been way too many. :facepalm: :facepalm: :lol :lol
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Feisty third period tonight between the Habs/Leafs. It's a shame both teams can't lose.
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Feisty third period tonight between the Habs/Leafs. It's a shame both teams can't lose.
Suck on it. Leafs are on pace for an 82-win season. Woohoo!!!! First couple periods looked like pre-season, but the third was a banger.
Also, I didn't mention it yesterday, but how in the hell was that winning goal by Stephson on Tuesday not ruled a kick?? I personally think any 're-directing' motion should be disallowed, but I get that players can do that. It looked pretty fucking clear to me that his foot had a forward motion and the blade came off the ice. If that's not a kicked in goal, I don't know what is.
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Ok, time for some predictions then. Meant to do this earlier, but it's been a crazy week with work.
Atlantic
1. Tampa
2. Florida
3. Toronto
4. Boston
5. Montreal
6. Ottawa
7. Detroit
8. Buffalo
Ottawa might sneak past Montreal, and I'm not going to rule out Boston finishing ahead of Toronto
Metropolitan
1. New York Islanders
2. Washington
3. Carolina
4. Philadelphia
5a. Pittsburgh
5b. New York Rangers
7. New Jersey
8. Columbus
I think it's a coin toss between Pitt/NYR - depends now much Pitt can hold on thru the first few weeks without Sid and Gino.
Central
1. Colorado
2. Winnipeg
3. Chicago
4. Dallas
5a. Minnesota
5b. St. Louis
7. Nashville
8. Arizona
There's a lot of change in Minnesota, so I'm not entirely confident they'll make it in. I think Chicago is gonna have a pretty significant improvement.
West
1. Vegas
2. Vancouver
3. Edmonton
4. Seattle
5. Calgary
6. LA
7. San Jose
8. Anaheim
I'm going bold with the Kraken and Canuck rankings. I wouldn't be surprised if 5 teams from the Central get in.
Awards:
Hart - McJesus (Matthews, Barkov)
Art Ross - McJesus (Panarin, Point)
Rocket - Matthews (Debrincat, Rantanen)
Norris - Makar (Hedman, Jones)
Vezina - Vasilevsky (Lehner, Varlamov or Sorokin ... whoever wins the #1 job)
Adams - Colliton (Gallant, Green)
Calder - Caufield (no clue)
Selke - no clue
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:victorydance:
Congratulations to the Kraken! It’s not often a guy gets to celebrate the first NHL win in his hometown’s history!!!
Sure wish they hadn’t been SOOOOO conservative in the 3rd period. Exactly ONE shot on goal in the entire 3rd period. (An empty net goal) But you can’t put a one goal lead entirely on the shoulders of your defense/goalie like that.
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Sens / Leafs game was crazy. Leafs were asleep in the 1st 10 minutes, then gave up 2 unfortunate late goals; were in a coma in the 2nd; then then poured it on in the third like as though their gameplan was rope-a-dope. Check out this SOG line:
Tor - 17 / 6 / 25 -- 48
Ott - 12 / 14 / 10 -- 36
Forsberg (Sens goalie) played like a Vezina candidate. At one point in the 3rd, SOG were 12-0 for the Leafs, and they had 8 on the PP where they got their first goal. Just gotta say, I clearly don't know what defines a "kicking motion", or my interpretation of the word "kick" is very different than the NHL's. Also, apparently lifting a players stick is a hooking penalty (which the Leafs were called for twice).
Looks like the Red Wings/Bolts game was bonkers too!
Montreal blown out by Buffalo; Coyotes blown out by Columbus. Battle of the shit-kicker teams right there.
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Can't ask for a better start than in today's game for the Kings against the Golden Knights. Kopitar came rolling with a 5 point game (includes a hat trick). For this team to do well, everything needs to go right regarding the old guys (Kopitar, Brown, Doughtry, Quick when he starts) and hope the young guys and the in-between gets better. Their signing of Vladimir Tkachev could be a shot in the arm they needed in regards to their power play.
https://twitter.com/LAKings/status/1448878807541174275
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Charlie McAvoy. 8 x 9.5. Wow!
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Can't ask for a better start than in today's game for the Kings against the Golden Knights. Kopitar came rolling with a 5 point game (includes a hat trick). For this team to do well, everything needs to go right regarding the old guys (Kopitar, Brown, Doughtry, Quick when he starts) and hope the young guys and the in-between gets better. Their signing of Vladimir Tkachev could be a shot in the arm they needed in regards to their power play.
https://twitter.com/LAKings/status/1448878807541174275
I didn't see a second of the game because of baseball, but damn, that's nice.
And fuck Seattle in fourth place all to hell. The aberration of Vegas aside, an expansion team must finish last. Demanded by the hockey gods it is!
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Charlie McAvoy. 8 x 9.5. Wow!
I'm just gonna post what I had from the last thread at the FA signings:
Hamilton contract is great for him, terrible for the Devils. He's a $6-$7 guy at most. D-men who are UFAs next year are licking their chops (see, Morgan Reilly, Darnell Nurse, Parayko, Werenski, McAvoy, Klingberg).
Yup... Nurse and McAvoy should both send Hamilton and his agent a Rolex. Werenski and Klingberg are guaranteed $9M AAV paydays now. Reilly and Parayko might be in the $8-$9 range depending on what kind of year they have.
McAvoy is not on par with Point, Kuch, or Vasilevsky. I know, I know... different positions, but in terms of value to the team, skill, and what he's accomplished ... not even close.
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Parayko already got extended beyond 2022. AAV is $6,500,000 for 8 years. Found the Twitter confirmation in the Capfriendly link.
https://www.capfriendly.com/players/colton-parayko
https://twitter.com/andystrickland/status/1433162561483165702
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Parayko already got extended beyond 2022. AAV is $6,500,000 for 8 years. Found the Twitter confirmation in the Capfriendly link.
https://www.capfriendly.com/players/colton-parayko
https://twitter.com/andystrickland/status/1433162561483165702
I either missed that, or completely forgot about it. That's a very good contract for the team, imo - especially seeing what others are getting. Sure, he's not gonna put up the kind of points that a McAvoy is bound to, but he's going to be a crucial part of the D-line for the Blues.
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Mac's points should improve, as he's not really had a lot of PP time playing behind Krug and Gryzlchk on the first unit.
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Hamilton scores 17 seconds into the season and Jack Hughes with two goals, including a dirty OT winner. On the whole would've liked to have held on in regulation, but a great start to the season nonetheless.
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A very typical Flyers game last night. Got down by two goals twice. Played lights out amazing for one period and somewhat awful for most of the other two. Pulled our goalie to get two late goals to tie the game 4-4, only to then lose in a shootout. It was really a truly Flyers start to the season.
On the bright side, we were in Philly for the first time when the Golden Knights came to town and we bought tickets for Monday's game to greet the Kraken.
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The Blues tried giving that one away, but held on to get a nice opening win at Colorado. Despite 2019, decades of heartbreak will always prevent me from an eternal optimist with this team :P. but if feels like many are sleeping on the Blues coming into this season.
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Charlie McAvoy. 8 x 9.5. Wow!
I'm just gonna post what I had from the last thread at the FA signings:
Hamilton contract is great for him, terrible for the Devils. He's a $6-$7 guy at most. D-men who are UFAs next year are licking their chops (see, Morgan Reilly, Darnell Nurse, Parayko, Werenski, McAvoy, Klingberg).
Yup... Nurse and McAvoy should both send Hamilton and his agent a Rolex. Werenski and Klingberg are guaranteed $9M AAV paydays now. Reilly and Parayko might be in the $8-$9 range depending on what kind of year they have.
Seems I also forgot that Werenski did sign a $9.5M AAV contract in July. If Klingberg has a good year, he just might bet to 8 figures.
Buffalo fans should enjoy being at the top of the division for the moment! I've no doubt they'll come crashing to reality soon enough. They're usually good for a 1-11-1-1 run at some point in the first half of the season. :lol
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The Blues tried giving that one away, but held on to get a nice opening win at Colorado. Despite 2019, decades of heartbreak will always prevent me from an eternal optimist with this team :P. but if feels like many are sleeping on the Blues coming into this season.
Good to bank 2pts on the road against the league darlings for sure. Wasn’t a complete game but lots of positives. I’m good with everyone sleeping on them…..it’s par for course.
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https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/32424014/tampa-bay-lightning-nikita-kucherov-injury-not-day-day-thing-coach-jon-cooper-says
It's like deja vu all over again.
Good thing Stammer is looking like the stud he used to be.
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I mean….they got away with it last year so why change what works? It’s almost 100% certainty that he will ‘recover’ just in time to get back in shape for the playoffs.
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Well, in order for this to be properly effective, they got to find a way to get players via trades to fill that $9.5 million cap hit to fill the void after Kucherov's injury in the event that this is actually a season ender for him. If only Eichel was healthy right now. That would be a way to really piss everyone in the league if Tampa Bay was able to steal him away from Buffalo.
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Finally, and expansion team looking like an expansion team. I'm sure Nick enjoyed that spanking.
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Finally, and expansion team looking like an expansion team. I'm sure Nick enjoyed that spanking.
Any spanking is a good spanking for Nick. ;D
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Finally, and expansion team looking like an expansion team. I'm sure Nick enjoyed that spanking.
We were 4th row right behind the net where the Flyers got their first 4 goals, was amazing!
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Buchnevich is not going to endear himself to Blues fans with that kind of dirty BS.
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Meanwhile, the Blues just had one helluva 2nd period. :hat :hat
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Mike Smith injured. What's the word on that, Rich?
Seems some the good teams are starting out soft (TB, CO, Wpg), while some of the crapsters (Buf, NJ, Det) aren't looking as shit as expected. But holy man was the Keybank Centre (Buffalo) a ghost town. Between how the club has handled the Eichel situation, and no Canadians crossing the border, looked like there was barely a few thousand in the arena.
I know we're only a few games in, so nobody's going to be too worried, or too excited.
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Oh damn... Bossy diagnosed with lung cancer. :sad:
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Oh damn... Bossy diagnosed with lung cancer. :sad:
Damn; those Islander teams are some of my favorite sports teams ever. Billy Smith is still my favorite hockey player of all time, and Al Arbour is a top three coach of all time for me.
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Mike Smith injured. What's the word on that, Rich?
Seems some the good teams are starting out soft (TB, CO, Wpg), while some of the crapsters (Buf, NJ, Det) aren't looking as shit as expected. But holy man was the Keybank Centre (Buffalo) a ghost town. Between how the club has handled the Eichel situation, and no Canadians crossing the border, looked like there was barely a few thousand in the arena.
I know we're only a few games in, so nobody's going to be too worried, or too excited.
They didn't provide much in terms of info. Sounds like he just tweaked something, so he asked Tippet to take him out just in case. My guess is he plays Friday.
The local (vocal) fanbase that chimes in on the Edmonton TSN radio broadcasts seems to think the Oilers are a lock for the WCF, and anything less is a disappointment. What. The. Fuck. Even the radio hosts are telling people they're out to lunch.
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And Kuch is on LTIR again. I don't feel bad - at least it didn't happen in the off-season where the team could backfill his space with comparable salary. Maybe they go after Eichel now! :rollin
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Well, Smith is off to the IR. On the bright side, this could give the Oil a good look at Stuart Skinner. He's our top young goalie prospect who'll be called up from the AHL to backup Koskinen. With how inconsistent Koskinen plays, I can't imagine Skinner is back up for long. I'm hoping this can turn into a Binnington type of situation.
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Small sample size, but it looks like the Red Wings will be competitive this year. 2019 1st Round Pick Moritz Seider and 2020 1st Round Pick Lucas Raymond are having an immediate impact on this team, with Raymond on the 1st line with Dylan Larkin and Tyler Bertuzzi, and Seider on the 2nd D pair with Nick Leddy. It's nice to see this much needed infusion of talent! I'm hoping they play well, but not enough to fall out of a chance to get the #1 overall pick in this years draft. Shane Wright will be a nice addition to a re-stocked cupboard!
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The NHL Super-16 / power rankings are a bit of a joke. I get not wanting to put much (any) stock in the Devils (16) and Sabres (14) being undefeated at the moment, but I'm really struggling to see how the Bolts (3), Oil (4), Avs (6), Bruins (8), and Knights (11) deserved their rankings. The Bruins got spanked by the Flyers, the Oil offense has looked good (even though they needed a shootout to beat Vcr), but defence and goaltending is suspect when you give up 5 goals to Anaheim, and the other 3 all have losing records
I think the Blues (10), Leafs (12) are both better than those rankings - Blues are undefeated; Leafs only non-wins were 1-goal losses (1 in OT) where the both opposing goalies absolutely stole the victory for their team - and Matthews wasn't in the lineup for the first 3 games.
Whatever... it's only week 1.
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With the AVs….again, I understand they have talented players and all but they’ve yet to prove anything when it counts. They should have Beat an injury riddled Blues team last year in the playoffs so that wasn’t all that special and then they choked the next round. Same scenario with Vegas. They have some talented players but what have they really done to earn consistent top billing?
I’m perfectly fine with the ‘experts’ sleeping on the Blues as that’s historically the case. Binnington is on a mission to force Armstrong to select him for the Canadian national team and has been razor sharp thus far. Given it’s been three games but still….he’s dialed in. The Blues have a skilled group of youngsters and crafty group of veterans so I think it’s going to be fun being a Blues fan this season.
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I’m perfectly fine with the ‘experts’ sleeping on the Blues as that’s historically the case. Binnington is on a mission to force Armstrong to select him for the Canadian national team and has been razor sharp thus far. Given it’s been three games but still….he’s dialed in. The Blues have a skilled group of youngsters and crafty group of veterans so I think it’s going to be fun being a Blues fan this season.
I hope this is the case, because I don't think Canada can count on either Fleury or Price come February. Russia, USA, and Sweden all have more than a couple of #1 options
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And Jack Hughes is now out with a dislocated shoulder, which really was kind of a best case scenario given the hit/landing he took.
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With the AVs….again, I understand they have talented players and all but they’ve yet to prove anything when it counts. They should have Beat an injury riddled Blues team last year in the playoffs so that wasn’t all that special and then they choked the next round. Same scenario with Vegas. They have some talented players but what have they really done to earn consistent top billing?
I’m perfectly fine with the ‘experts’ sleeping on the Blues as that’s historically the case. Binnington is on a mission to force Armstrong to select him for the Canadian national team and has been razor sharp thus far. Given it’s been three games but still….he’s dialed in. The Blues have a skilled group of youngsters and crafty group of veterans so I think it’s going to be fun being a Blues fan this season.
I think you are right, and I pray that you are. I am still trying to find a way to go to the home opener on Saturday. :corn :corn
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It's like deja vu all over again.
Tell me about it...
With the AVs….again, I understand they have talented players and all but they’ve yet to prove anything when it counts. They should have Beat an injury riddled Blues team last year in the playoffs so that wasn’t all that special and then they choked the next round. Same scenario with Vegas. They have some talented players but what have they really done to earn consistent top billing?
I’m perfectly fine with the ‘experts’ sleeping on the Blues as that’s historically the case. The Blues have a skilled group of youngsters and crafty group of veterans so I think it’s going to be fun being a Blues fan this season.
Seems like a slightly more truncated version of last season's post..
Especially Colorado. I get it.....they've got talent out the wahzoo....but, even last year pre-covid heading into the Playoffs they were in trouble. Covid saved them and Dallas from embarrassing first round losses in the playoffs. It's one of those deals where somewhere Colorado has been anointed and they're the new 'it' team. They have an utter super star in McKinnon which it's understandable....but you have to produce when it counts and they haven't.
Vegas will be interesting to watch because there were a ton of stories before, during and after Petro was signed that the players were ticked that they were shuffling and changing things around to land Petro. They'll all say the right things but it'll be interesting to see how they play together. Petro is not a very animated leader or a person who is loud in the locker room. He's very soft spoken. The knock on him in StL in the locker room was that he was just 'boring' He never went out with the guys.....he's a big family man and if he wasn't playing hockey he was at home. Vegas is another team with a ton of pressure to produce....lets see if they can live up to the hype.
I personally love the lack of 'respect' or whatever it is that StL gets and is getting in all the pre season stuff. I get it. Petro's gone and we brought in new guys but IMO StL got better...not worse...by passing on Petro and picking up Krug, Clifford and Hoffman. It's a new look team that's going to have some spunk and attitude.
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And it’s still just as true.
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Sigh....... Kings lost to the Stars in OT. Had the lead twice. Kopitar and Vilardi had goals. That's something. Doughty being taken out of the game after a knee on knee collision in the 2nd and could not walk out under his power and who knows how long he's going to be gone for. That's a really heavy blow for this team to lose and weather through.
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The Rangers woke up in the last six minutes of today’s game, but I guess six good minutes is all you need to beat Ottawa.
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Ann Wilson singing the National Anthem in Seattle tonight! :metal
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Well. That was a rough week that I would rather forget and move on and hope for better days for the Kings. Did anyone here had a good week?
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It’s pretty ridiculous that there’s no local broadcast of our home opener. It’s streaming on ESPN plus and Hulu, but you would think one local network would be carrying the home opener of the brand new expansion team. It’s just ludicrous that it’s not anywhere on TV. The only place you can watch it on regular TV is on the Vancouver CBC station that happens to be a part of our cable package.
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The KJR guys were talking about that yesterday. They laid out the reasoning, crappy as it may have been, but I cannot recall what it was.
The Sounders really took off here, and it looks like the Kraken might do so as well. They have handled the launch very well, admittedly from what little I have followed.
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Got to my first Devils game since the pandemic, was good to be back at the arena and even better to catch an OT win.
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Well, change of plans for me. I was really eyeing seeing the Kings against the Habs next Saturday, but it turns out that my sister, her husband, and their young son is going to go to the game the next day against the Sabres and they got me a seat next to them. Makes this decision a no-brainer. It's a joy to see kids at their very first hockey game.
In other news, if there is one thing I can take solace in regarding this Kings' team, right now, is that the Blackhawks are even having a worst start than them at the moment and the Blackhawks went more all-in this season, getting Seth Jones and Fleury. Paid a huge premium in assets in Jones and a huge extension and it doesn't look things are exactly living up to the hype for them at the moment. That's a bummer for their fans in addition to the many other baggage that's going on with that team.
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In other news, if there is one thing I can take solace in regarding this Kings' team, right now, is that the Blackhawks are even having a worst start than them at the moment and the Blackhawks went more all-in this season, getting Seth Jones and Fleury. Paid a huge premium in assets in Jones and a huge extension and it doesn't look things are exactly living up to the hype for them at the moment. That's a bummer for their fans in addition to the many other baggage that's going on with that team.
When it comes to the Blackhawks, I'm not even mad anymore. I've entered into a space of whatever happens, happens. Hopefully this pushes Bowman and Cotillion out so we can just restart.
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It’s pretty ridiculous that there’s no local broadcast of our home opener. It’s streaming on ESPN plus and Hulu, but you would think one local network would be carrying the home opener of the brand new expansion team. It’s just ludicrous that it’s not anywhere on TV. The only place you can watch it on regular TV is on the Vancouver CBC station that happens to be a part of our cable package.
You're never going to get a local broadcast for a nationally televised game.
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It’s pretty ridiculous that there’s no local broadcast of our home opener. It’s streaming on ESPN plus and Hulu, but you would think one local network would be carrying the home opener of the brand new expansion team. It’s just ludicrous that it’s not anywhere on TV. The only place you can watch it on regular TV is on the Vancouver CBC station that happens to be a part of our cable package.
You're never going to get a local broadcast for a nationally televised game.
Is ESPN+ (a pay service) considered a nationally televised game now? That seems weird to me because a nationally televised game used to mean that a major network (or cable network) was offering it over free air. Like if had been on ESPN proper, I could see it. But a side, pay extra service? :o
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I would agree that ESPN Plus is NOT "nationally televised", at least not in the traditional sense jammindude mentioned.
It's interesting too.....not sure 100% they've never televised an Avalanche game on the local "Altitude" network.....when it has also been nationally televised. But I do know they have had NBA games on "regular" ESPN or TNT with the Nuggets....and still carried the game on Altitude. In fact it happened with the Phoenix Suns game just a few days ago.
As far as teams like the Blackhawks struggling compared to the potential relating to their offseason changes.....I would say, it's EARLY. The Avalanche were picked by many to repeat as President's Trophy winners, but they started off VERY slowly...and new goaltender Darcy Kuemper got lit up against Washington. Then looked very good against defending champion Tampa. It's going to take time to gel with the new guys.
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It’s pretty ridiculous that there’s no local broadcast of our home opener. It’s streaming on ESPN plus and Hulu, but you would think one local network would be carrying the home opener of the brand new expansion team. It’s just ludicrous that it’s not anywhere on TV. The only place you can watch it on regular TV is on the Vancouver CBC station that happens to be a part of our cable package.
You're never going to get a local broadcast for a nationally televised game.
Is ESPN+ (a pay service) considered a nationally televised game now? That seems weird to me because a nationally televised game used to mean that a major network (or cable network) was offering it over free air. Like if had been on ESPN proper, I could see it. But a side, pay extra service? :o
I get where you're coming from, but the answer to the question is yes. A game that's being aired (or now, streamed) on the league's major national television partner is not going to be broadcast on the team's local network. If this were last year, the game probably would have been on NBC, but that deal is no more.
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You know. I'm checking CapFriendly right now and it's quite fascinating to see that 17 teams are over the Cap Space due to injuries and needing to put players on LTIR. It's going to be quite a headache for some of those teams to try to get under cap when those players eventually get healthy and ready to go.
Edit: Hours later, well, at least, the Kings put a better fight against the Blues in this game than the previous game. Tarasenko had two really good looking goals in the 3rd to put a end to that. Now this team is down two defensemen. Doughty and Walker. This time period without Drew Doughty is going to be pretty ugly unless someone can really show that they can step up. I'm not seeing any stepping up that I like to see yet from anyone on this team. Kopitar is still looking good for the most part. I can still be excited about that.
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As far as teams like the Blackhawks struggling compared to the potential relating to their offseason changes.....I would say, it's EARLY. The Avalanche were picked by many to repeat as President's Trophy winners, but they started off VERY slowly...and new goaltender Darcy Kuemper got lit up against Washington. Then looked very good against defending champion Tampa. It's going to take time to gel with the new guys.
The problem with the Blackhawks is how inept they look. I fully expect teams like Colorado to figure it out. The Blackhawks, with their record setting inability to gain a lead, look completely lost and outmatched by every team. The only team I feel like they could beat right now is Arizona, and even that would be close. If Cotillion disappears, then I think things could turn around.
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I think everyone expects Colorado to figure it out, because, let's face it, they are the Chosen Ones. ;) :P
Meanwhile, the Blues win again to get to 5-0 for the first time in their history. And we are all pretty ecstatic right now that Tarasenko was not traded, as he has looked great so far. Two huge goals last night, and he is playing with a chip on his shoulder.
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The fan reaction to Tarasenko on opening night and last night when they interviewed him after the game was awesome…..and the way he lit up and smiled says it all. He’s not going anywhere…..and he has been playing with a chip on his shoulder.
Just so Tim can try and make some sort of dog at me again I’ll say it for a third time. With all
Their talent, Colorado has yet to prove anything outside of being a good team. Their goaltender last season WAS the reason they had that good season and right now their goaltending is severely suspect. You can say the same about Vegas…..which I have…..for three seasons in a row now. Being ordained and selected as the heir apparent to the Cup by the ‘experts’ doesn’t automatically give you the Cup. You still have to earn it.
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Colorado reminds me of the early to mid 90's Red Wings. Lots of talent, but the recipe isn't quite right.
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Colorado reminds me of the early to mid 90's Red Wings. Lots of talent, but the recipe isn't quite right.
No... that's the Leafs. :marriageanalogy:
Look, it's only 5-6 games into the season. Let's not start sucking each others' dicks just yet (for the teams that are cruising), or press the panic button. Applying the logic of some of the rhetoric I'm reading here, Buffalo and San Jose are cup contenders, while the Lightning and Vegas should blow up their teams and begin a rebuild.
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Totally Chad. That’s why while I’m excited about a 5-0 start by the Blues I also know they could easily lose the next 5 games. I think it’ll be a fun season to be a Blues fan and think they’re going to ‘surprise’ people…..but I’m not ordering my tickets to go touch the Cup again just yet.
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Holy sh**. In addition to the Blackhawks poor start, there's a huge s***storm brewing at the moment in the organization. The results of an investigation that started months ago on them regarding incidents around 2010 that has been made public. From what I'm reading through various reporters, it's not pretty and the findings are said to be quite graphic.
This is a sad day for hockey fans regarding what's going on with the findings.
At the end of it all, Stan Bowman has now stepped aside as the GM for the Blackhawks, per Chris Johnston.
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1453063339270094848
I'm just going to link a Hockey Guy video regarding this. He's usually good at summarizing and give the cliff notes version regarding stuff like this.
Blackhawks Investigation Ends, Bowman is Out as GM, More Heads Likely to Roll (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-9O5qdla9Y)
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Totally Chad. That’s why while I’m excited about a 5-0 start by the Blues I also know they could easily lose the next 5 games. I think it’ll be a fun season to be a Blues fan and think they’re going to ‘surprise’ people…..but I’m not ordering my tickets to go touch the Cup again just yet.
Very true, but there is nothing wrong with enjoying the winning while it happens and being excited about it, rather than being a negative nancy and waiting for the bottom to drop out. :tup :tup
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Totally Chad. That’s why while I’m excited about a 5-0 start by the Blues I also know they could easily lose the next 5 games. I think it’ll be a fun season to be a Blues fan and think they’re going to ‘surprise’ people…..but I’m not ordering my tickets to go touch the Cup again just yet.
Very true, but there is nothing wrong with enjoying the winning while it happens and being excited about it, rather than being a negative nancy and waiting for the bottom to drop out. :tup :tup
Totally. I’m enjoying the heck outbid it foe sure.
And…..just as an example of how this season is going to be weird…..a fully vaccinated Ryan O’Reily goes on the Covid protocol list for 10 days
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Totally Chad. That’s why while I’m excited about a 5-0 start by the Blues I also know they could easily lose the next 5 games. I think it’ll be a fun season to be a Blues fan and think they’re going to ‘surprise’ people…..but I’m not ordering my tickets to go touch the Cup again just yet.
Very true, but there is nothing wrong with enjoying the winning while it happens and being excited about it, rather than being a negative nancy and waiting for the bottom to drop out. :tup :tup
Totally. I’m enjoying the heck outbid it foe sure.
And…..just as an example of how this season is going to be weird…..a fully vaccinated Ryan O’Reily goes on the Covid protocol list for 10 days
I saw that. It's a bummer, but such is life in 2021 with COVID. Just glad the team has come out of the gate looking so good. :hat :hat
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My father always loved the classic Bart Starr-era Green Bay Packers.
They were his favorite team until the Seattle Seahawks began their inaugural season in 1976, and he was a lifelong fan until his passing in 2007 and he never got to see them win a super bowl.
But tonight I got just a taste of what my father must have felt 45 years ago when the Seahawks won their first home game, because I just waited just over 40 years (I’m 52, but didn’t get into sports until I was about 7-8ish) for Seattle to get their first NHL home win ever.
Congratulations to the Kraken.
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Holy sh**. In addition to the Blackhawks poor start, there's a huge s***storm brewing at the moment in the organization. The results of an investigation that started months ago on them regarding incidents around 2010 that has been made public. From what I'm reading through various reporters, it's not pretty and the findings are said to be quite graphic.
This is a sad day for hockey fans regarding what's going on with the findings.
At the end of it all, Stan Bowman has now stepped aside as the GM for the Blackhawks, per Chris Johnston.
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1453063339270094848
I'm just going to link a Hockey Guy video regarding this. He's usually good at summarizing and give the cliff notes version regarding stuff like this.
Blackhawks Investigation Ends, Bowman is Out as GM, More Heads Likely to Roll (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-9O5qdla9Y)
Bolded for emphasis.
Rumours are that Chevy (Wpg GM) and Quennville might be at risk of losing their jobs. Personally, I can see a situation where the NHL wants to take a massive stand on this issue, and these two could be banned for some period, maybe even for life. I gotta think some of the players from that Cup run have to be held accountable for their complicity as well.
And the off-ice shit storm is going to make it that much more enraging when the Leafs lose to them tonight.
@ Gary and Kev ... there's a difference between being a "negative nancy", and being realistic. Yes, you should absolutely be thrilled with the start that the Blues have, but my point was more towards your stance towards the Avs and Knights. Look, I'm no Knights fan, but I can be objective enough to acknowledge they are still the 'team to beat' in the West, and the Avs are that in the Central.
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I read the executive summary and the section titled "What the Blackhawks Organization Knew", and it paints a damning picture of every single person involved. Everyone who tried to cover this up or ignore for the sake of winning the cup is scum. I'm glad Bowman stepped aside, though I wish this wasn't just a way to try to avoid punishment. Here's hoping that everyone else follows soon. Quennville is a good coach, but he also comes out horrible here, and deserves to be removed from the league.
I'm ashamed to be a Blackhawks fan today.
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I hope Chevy and Quenville both lose their jobs. Or at least do the right thing and resign. It's one thing not knowing about terrible shit happening under your watch. It's another thing entirely to be be aware, and do nothing; even worse to be asked about it directly, then lie about your knowledge of it. Lack of accountability is my biggest peeve in this world. If you fucked up, just come out and say it, and do better moving forward.
I'm ashamed to be a Blackhawks fan today.
Little bit, yeah.
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It was hard to watch the Blackhawks game last night. I still love the team, but in the light of everything...yeah, I was conflicted about supporting them.
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I too found it hard to watch, but for other reasons. The Leafs were lucky to snatch that victory, but still have a long way to go to figure out 'their game'.
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Doughty is going to be out for about two months. Sean Walker is done for the season. Don't think the Kings can afford to lose two defensemen at this point, especially Doughty. These next couple of weeks are going to be interesting for the Kings. I'm ready for the pain. Maybe through this pain, someone, other than Kopitar and his line, can step up and deliver on something.
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Doughty is going to be out for about two months. Sean Walker is done for the season. Don't think the Kings can afford to lose two defensemen at this point, especially Doughty. These next couple of weeks are going to be interesting for the Kings. I'm ready for the pain. Maybe through this pain, someone, other than Kopitar and his line, can step up and deliver on something.
That friggin' sucks! I haven't paid much attention to hockey yet because of the baseball playoffs and other such things, but unless someone steps up in a big way, it seems like we're looking at another lost season for a team that won two of the last 10 Cups. Ugh!
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Yeah, I already gave up on them for this season as them trying to look like a serious team for once. Still going to go the Sabres game on Sunday with my sister, her husband, and their son and probably a few more games and just see if there's any good progression and whatnot in the younger guys throughout the sesaon.
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I'll be interested to hear how the Staples Center experience is.
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I mean it was hard to gauge on how it looks on TV in the first game against the Golden Knights. It looked relatively empty in some parts, but I thought it was mainly due to that the team has low expectations and that a Dodgers playoff game was going at the same time.
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I mean it was hard to gauge on how it looks on TV in the first game against the Golden Knights. It looked relatively empty in some parts, but I thought it was mainly due to that the team has low expectations and that a Dodgers playoff game was going at the same time.
Are they enforcing the mask and vax/negative test requirements? Are they still not letting you have food/drink in your seat?
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I have no clue. Sunday is going to be my first game at Staples since late 2019 against the Blues (and yes, Gary and Kev, the Blues also decimated the Kings in that game). I presume they are enforcing the vax requirements. Don't really care about food/drink. I usually eat before or after events anyway since I don't want to pay expensive arena prices.
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Quennville resigns.
Chevy's meeting has been moved up to tomorrow.
I'm guessing in about 20 hours, he'll be resigning.
People like Toews, Kane, and Keith are going to be facing a lot of heat. Based on everything I've heard so far, it's inconceivable that they didn't know.
What a cluster fuck. This is an absolute stain on the organization, and the league that isn't going away anytime soon.
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Quennville resigns.
WOW!
I saw one headline today where they refer to Kyle Beach as "Former Blackhawks Star". I never heard of the kid.
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NEW YORK (Oct. 28, 2021) – National Hockey League Commissioner Gary Bettman today released the following statement.
“The National Hockey League agrees with the decision tonight by Joel Quenneville to resign his duties as head coach of the Florida Panthers. In his former role as Chicago Blackhawks head coach, Mr. Quenneville was among several former members of the Club’s senior leadership group who mishandled the 2010 sexual assault claim by former player Kyle Beach against the Club’s then-video coach, Brad Aldrich. And, following a meeting with Mr. Quenneville that took place this afternoon in my office, all parties agreed that it was no longer appropriate that he continue to serve as Florida’s head coach.
“I admire Kyle Beach for his courage in coming forward, am appalled that he was so poorly supported upon making his initial claim and in the 11 years since, and am sorry for all he has endured.
“We thank the Panthers’ organization for working with us to ensure that a thorough process was followed. Given the result, there is no need for any further action by the NHL regarding Mr. Quenneville at this time. However, should he wish to re-enter the League in some capacity in the future, I will require a meeting with him in advance in order to determine the appropriate conditions under which such new employment might take place.”
Sounds pretty much like an unofficial lifetime ban.
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The Panthers got fucked.
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Quennville resigns.
Chevy's meeting has been moved up to tomorrow.
I'm guessing in about 20 hours, he'll be resigning.
People like Toews, Kane, and Keith are going to be facing a lot of heat. Based on everything I've heard so far, it's inconceivable that they didn't know.
What a cluster fuck. This is an absolute stain on the organization, and the league that isn't going away anytime soon.
Keith told a local reporter here that he knew nothing, and wasn't sure if any other players did because they were all "too dialed in". He claims that even if anyone heard rumblings, they would just brush it off and "assume management would take care of it". Honest to god quotes from Duncan Keith
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The Blues lost the game, but mad props to Faulk for fighting his own battle and going at that piece of crap Kadri (who knocked Faulk out of the playoff last year with a dirty hit) and brawling with him.
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The Panthers got fucked.
What?? That's your response for a 11 year cover up of a sexual abuse incident? I suggest watching the interview with Kyle Beach, and see if what happened to the Panthers even registers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBpRpaNR2tg
regarding Keith... I just don't know how he (or Kane, or Toews) couldn't have known. I'm just watching an interview with Paul Maurice, and man.... he looks really shook up.
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Edmonton already lost the Keith trade. This just might make it that much worse. The NHL doesn't seem focused on the players right now though
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This whole situation is abhorrent. I read the entire legal report yesterday. It's mind-blowing. Can't say I'm surprised anymore, but its shameful and shows just how far we still have to go.
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I saw one headline today where they refer to Kyle Beach as "Former Blackhawks Star". I never heard of the kid.
I believe he was a first round draft pick, so chances are you would've heard of him if the Blackhawks organization had a spine of any kind. The abuse ruined his career based on the interview.
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Yeah he was the 11th pick in 2008, so he likely would have made at least some sort of splash, even if not huge. He never played in the NHL after this.
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Jonathan Toews' response to this was pretty mind-blowing as well. You're the captain and you don't know what's going on? The fuck you don't! And then vouching for the character of the leadership, nice victim blaming there "Captain Serious." :tdwn >:(
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The Blues lost the game, but mad props to Faulk for fighting his own battle and going at that piece of crap Kadri (who knocked Faulk out of the playoff last year with a dirty hit) and brawling with him.
Yeah….and hopefully that’s all done now because that distraction cost them a game. They never were able to recover from the AVs getting the early PP although they didn’t score on it. Just set them behind.
And you knew they couldn’t go a game without the phantom ‘look in Mackinnons direction’ penalty. It’s ridiculous how protected he is. Don’t sneeze towards the dude.
Anyway…..even down OReily and playing an average game they only lost 4-3 so whatever…..they were due to lose
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Jonathan Toews' response to this was pretty mind-blowing as well. You're the captain and you don't know what's going on? The fuck you don't! And then vouching for the character of the leadership, nice victim blaming there "Captain Serious." :tdwn >:(
Yeah, his comments really frustrated me the most out of this. He's talking about Bowman like it was his last day of work in another job and he's moving on to bigger and better things and has nothing but good vibes for the guy. Dude, read the room. You can go ahead and say that kind of stuff in private or at a later time, but when all of this is happening and the mood and atmosphere in Chicago is pretty darn grim? Yikes. Some Captain. That title is all garnish. So much for "going to war" for your teammates (even the guys in the lowest position in the roster list).
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And lost in all of this is the young victim that this dude went on to molested due to the neglect of the Chicago Blackhawks, Quinville and the leaders on the team. It’s just and right that Beach is getting his chance to talk and getting some ‘justice’ but there’s at least one other victim if not more.
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Indeed. Watch the interview with Beach if you haven't... that kid comes up and it's clear Beach carries an unfathomable amount of guilt over that.
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Indeed. Watch the interview with Beach if you haven't... that kid comes up and it's clear Beach carries an unfathomable amount of guilt over that.
I can tell you that when I was 18 and I heard/learned that the cousin who had 'done' things to me when I was 9 was then at that time babysitting young family members.....all the doubt and haziness that surrounded the memories and the wondering if it really even happened vanished instantly and game me a sense of dread and worry about those younger cousins of mine who he was babysitting and prompted me to admit to others what had happened.
I don't say that to try and piggy back off this horrible story or for even sympathy....I say it because of what you mentioned Chad. The guilt I felt in that moment when I learned that with zero shred of evidence that he had even done anything to them was overwhelming. I cannot imagine what type of burden and guilt Beach carries with him. I don't know if any amount of therapy or even forgiveness from the other victim could help him. That poor man. My heart goes out to him.
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I was just thinking how much more personal this kind of story is to you, Gary. Hugs to you man... I'm sure this is digging up a lot of shit for you.
I'm not sure I totally buy the reason for Cheveldayoff skating thru this, but he's safe for now.
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I was just thinking how much more personal this kind of story is to you, Gary. Hugs to you man... I'm sure this is digging up a lot of shit for you.
I appreciate the sentiment Chad and thank you. Fortunately, I’m at a spot in life where I’ve reconciled everything that happened to me and have essentially moved past it. When I see and read things like this my heart immediately breaks for the victims because I know how hard it is to handle and manage. I hope that Beach can find peace someday.
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The Blues lost the game, but mad props to Faulk for fighting his own battle and going at that piece of crap Kadri (who knocked Faulk out of the playoff last year with a dirty hit) and brawling with him.
Yeah….and hopefully that’s all done now because that distraction cost them a game. They never were able to recover from the AVs getting the early PP although they didn’t score on it. Just set them behind.
And you knew they couldn’t go a game without the phantom ‘look in Mackinnons direction’ penalty. It’s ridiculous how protected he is. Don’t sneeze towards the dude.
Anyway…..even down OReily and playing an average game they only lost 4-3 so whatever…..they were due to lose
I think the rough play and sending a message was worth it. It is just one game out of 82, and sending a message that the Blues will not let their guys get run without there being a receipt is the Berube influence. After decades of seeing the Blues get pushed around and feeling like they never really fought back in the true sense, it is nice to see them show some balls, and I credit that largely to Berube.
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^^ It's a good feeling when you are rooting for a team that has those kinds of intangibles. I'm still wanting something like that out of the Kings in this current age.
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What is this feeling? Is this…optimism? I still think the Rangers are a few years away from being a real contender, but they’re playing great hockey right now.
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^^ It's a good feeling when you are rooting for a team that has those kinds of intangibles. I'm still wanting something like that out of the Kings in this current age.
Hopefully today's game was a sign of things to come. You picked a good one to attend!
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Yeah, really good game to build on though. I didn't go to that one as planned. As stated before.
Well, change of plans for me. I was really eyeing seeing the Kings against the Habs next Saturday, but it turns out that my sister, her husband, and their young son is going to go to the game the next day against the Sabres and they got me a seat next to them. Makes this decision a no-brainer. It's a joy to see kids at their very first hockey game.
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MAF was awesome in goal tonight for the Hawks, but the Blues get the one goal they needed and prevail 1-0. Binnington with a shutout. :hat :hat
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Yeah, really good game to build on though. I didn't go to that one as planned. As stated before.
Well, change of plans for me. I was really eyeing seeing the Kings against the Habs next Saturday, but it turns out that my sister, her husband, and their young son is going to go to the game the next day against the Sabres and they got me a seat next to them. Makes this decision a no-brainer. It's a joy to see kids at their very first hockey game.
Today's game might be even better. I didn't turn it on until right after the Bjornfoot goal. If they played with this much energy every game, it would make for a helluva season!
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Yeah. I was nervous when the two Sabres goal back to back came off the rush, but after the first Kings goal, I was surprisingly as calm and assured that this was winnable as one could be after 40 min., down 2-1, in a section full of families and their children.
Here was my view during the on-ice warmups.
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/904364625385123880/904453584618422312/image0.jpg)
Didn't think this place was going to be more than half-full today, but I think there was a couple thousand more people in attendance than I expected from what my eye sees. They did ask for vaccine card and license. That game went pretty faster in real-time than it would have been had I watched it at home.
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OK, remember this is my first season of truly following a team on their journey in the NHL.
We currently have one of the best goaltenders in hockey, we have doubled up the shots on goal to the opposing team and yet we are still behind 2 to 1. Is this common? Because this is heartbreaking.
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I've watched that 3rd period. There was no reason for the Kraken to lose that period. Rangers goalie was pretty good and Rangers didn't have anything going at all in that period until they got a turnover that lead to the leading goal. That was a sad uncommon thing to witness.
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I've watched that 3rd period. There was no reason for the Kraken to lose that period. Rangers goalie was pretty good and Rangers didn't have anything going at all in that period until they got a turnover that lead to the leading goal. That was a sad uncommon thing to witness.
That is reassuring. After watching all of our games so far, I really feel like we are pretty scrappy and far more offensive than we were led to believe when the season started.
Before the season started, we were told point-blank that this team wasn’t going to score too many goals and was going to live and die by our defense. While the games have been fairly low scoring, I feel like we’re getting an incredible amount of offensive looks. And the score is not really reflecting how aggressive our offense has been so far this season.
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OK, remember this is my first season of truly following a team on their journey in the NHL.
We currently have one of the best goaltenders in hockey, we have doubled up the shots on goal to the opposing team and yet we are still behind 2 to 1. Is this common? Because this is heartbreaking.
Yeah, don't be alarmed at that. Common? Not really. Rare? Not that either. There are times when any given goaltender will look like a Vezina Trophy finalist (year end award for best goalie in the league), and then the very next game, couldn't stop a beachball. Shersterkin is one of those goalies - he already stole a victory for the Rangers against the Leafs a couple weeks back.
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OK, remember this is my first season of truly following a team on their journey in the NHL.
We currently have one of the best goaltenders in hockey, we have doubled up the shots on goal to the opposing team and yet we are still behind 2 to 1. Is this common? Because this is heartbreaking.
A goalie who’s playing well can steal a game. It’s glorious to see when it’s your goalie doing it, but it’s infuriating when it’s against your team.
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OK, remember this is my first season of truly following a team on their journey in the NHL.
We currently have one of the best goaltenders in hockey, we have doubled up the shots on goal to the opposing team and yet we are still behind 2 to 1. Is this common? Because this is heartbreaking.
A goalie who’s playing well can steal a game. It’s glorious to see when it’s your goalie doing it, but it’s infuriating when it’s against your team.
Agreed... and what's even more infuriating is (as I mentioned), that goalie's very next game they let in 4 goals on 11 shots (or some shit like that).
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OK, remember this is my first season of truly following a team on their journey in the NHL.
We currently have one of the best goaltenders in hockey, we have doubled up the shots on goal to the opposing team and yet we are still behind 2 to 1. Is this common? Because this is heartbreaking.
A goalie who’s playing well can steal a game. It’s glorious to see when it’s your goalie doing it, but it’s infuriating when it’s against your team.
And, when it’s happening to your team you can usually get the sense of it early on. That it’s just not going to be your night because the opposing goalie just ‘has that look’ and has made a few saves early that shows they’re dialed in.
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OK, remember this is my first season of truly following a team on their journey in the NHL.
We currently have one of the best goaltenders in hockey, we have doubled up the shots on goal to the opposing team and yet we are still behind 2 to 1. Is this common? Because this is heartbreaking.
A goalie who’s playing well can steal a game. It’s glorious to see when it’s your goalie doing it, but it’s infuriating when it’s against your team.
Just wait until the playoffs when a goalie can steal a whole series. Go look up the 2003 playoffs and read up on the Anaheim v. Detroit series. JS Giguere gave up almost nothing to the defending Stanley Cup champs and one of the most loaded rosters we've seen in the 21st century.
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OK, remember this is my first season of truly following a team on their journey in the NHL.
We currently have one of the best goaltenders in hockey, we have doubled up the shots on goal to the opposing team and yet we are still behind 2 to 1. Is this common? Because this is heartbreaking.
A goalie who’s playing well can steal a game. It’s glorious to see when it’s your goalie doing it, but it’s infuriating when it’s against your team.
And, when it’s happening to your team you can usually get the sense of it early on. That it’s just not going to be your night because the opposing goalie just ‘has that look’ and has made a few saves early that shows they’re dialed in.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/af/98/a2/af98a258a4a801f541da21a012c50520.gif)
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OK, remember this is my first season of truly following a team on their journey in the NHL.
We currently have one of the best goaltenders in hockey, we have doubled up the shots on goal to the opposing team and yet we are still behind 2 to 1. Is this common? Because this is heartbreaking.
A goalie who’s playing well can steal a game. It’s glorious to see when it’s your goalie doing it, but it’s infuriating when it’s against your team.
Just wait until the playoffs when a goalie can steal a whole series. Go look up the 2003 playoffs and read up on the Anaheim v. Detroit series. JS Giguere gave up almost nothing to the defending Stanley Cup champs and one of the most loaded rosters we've seen in the 21st century.
Giguere was was near unbeatable that whole playoff. Pretty sure he's still one of few, if not the only, player to win the Conn Smythe from the losing side of the finals.
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OK, remember this is my first season of truly following a team on their journey in the NHL.
We currently have one of the best goaltenders in hockey, we have doubled up the shots on goal to the opposing team and yet we are still behind 2 to 1. Is this common? Because this is heartbreaking.
A goalie who’s playing well can steal a game. It’s glorious to see when it’s your goalie doing it, but it’s infuriating when it’s against your team.
Just wait until the playoffs when a goalie can steal a whole series. Go look up the 2003 playoffs and read up on the Anaheim v. Detroit series. JS Giguere gave up almost nothing to the defending Stanley Cup champs and one of the most loaded rosters we've seen in the 21st century.
Giguere was was near unbeatable that whole playoff. Pretty sure he's still one of few, if not the only, player to win the Conn Smythe from the losing side of the finals.
Hextall in '87. I'll never forget those finals. That Phili team was just as stacked as the Oil, but the latter had the experience and Championship pedigree.
I think there's been a few others, I'd have to Google it though - edit... yup, there's been 5 of them - https://thehockeywriters.com/history-conn-smythe-winners-in-losing-efforts/
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Patrick Roy was 15-5 for Montreal in their 1986 Stanley Cup playoff run. He had a 1.93 GAA during that run and won the Conn Smythe. He was 20 years old. Now, that's impressive.
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We currently have one of the best goaltenders in hockey, we have doubled up the shots on goal to the opposing team and yet we are still behind 2 to 1. Is this common? Because this is heartbreaking.
Grubauer has the #30 GAA and #37 save percentage. I think that's the opposite of "one of the best goaltenders," but it's obviously very early in the season, and GAA and SV% don't take into account the quality of shots the goalie is facing, which is largely out of the goalie's control.
As far as doubling up SOG but trailing. I wouldn't say it's either common or uncommon. It happens, and it's frustrating as heck.
There are times when any given goaltender will look like a Vezina Trophy finalist (year end award for best goalie in the league), and then the very next game, couldn't stop a beachball.
Yup.
Patrick Roy was 15-5 for Montreal in their 1986 Stanley Cup playoff run. He had a 1.93 GAA during that run and won the Conn Smythe. He was 20 years old. Now, that's impressive.
He's also the only 3-time winner and the only player to win it for multiple teams.
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Roy also did it in 3 different decades, with 15 years between his first and third wins, and the second one right in the middle of that 15 years. I hated Patrick Roy, but that hate also came with a certain level of respect. Although, nothing will beat him giving up 6 goals on 16 shots in Game 7 of the 2002 Western Conference Finals!! Not to mention, his chirp against Jeremy Roenick in the 96 Western Conference Semis was classic.
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OK, remember this is my first season of truly following a team on their journey in the NHL.
We currently have one of the best goaltenders in hockey, we have doubled up the shots on goal to the opposing team and yet we are still behind 2 to 1. Is this common? Because this is heartbreaking.
A goalie who’s playing well can steal a game. It’s glorious to see when it’s your goalie doing it, but it’s infuriating when it’s against your team.
And, when it’s happening to your team you can usually get the sense of it early on. That it’s just not going to be your night because the opposing goalie just ‘has that look’ and has made a few saves early that shows they’re dialed in.
Yep, and that is why I would given the Conn Smythe to Binnington when the Blues won it. The Blues came out flat in Game 7, like they didn't care if they won or lost, and Binnington stood on his head and kept it at 0-0 until the team around him finally woke up. If he hadn't played well in that 1st period, that could have been an early rout in the wrong direction.
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OK, remember this is my first season of truly following a team on their journey in the NHL.
We currently have one of the best goaltenders in hockey, we have doubled up the shots on goal to the opposing team and yet we are still behind 2 to 1. Is this common? Because this is heartbreaking.
A goalie who’s playing well can steal a game. It’s glorious to see when it’s your goalie doing it, but it’s infuriating when it’s against your team.
And, when it’s happening to your team you can usually get the sense of it early on. That it’s just not going to be your night because the opposing goalie just ‘has that look’ and has made a few saves early that shows they’re dialed in.
Yep, and that is why I would given the Conn Smythe to Binnington when the Blues won it. The Blues came out flat in Game 7, like they didn't care if they won or lost, and Binnington stood on his head and kept it at 0-0 until the team around him finally woke up. If he hadn't played well in that 1st period, that could have been an early rout in the wrong direction.
If that cheesey knuckle Pinckney, fanned on floater goal doesn’t go in with four minutes to go in the game he would have gotten it.
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Well, to be fair (and you KNOW I'm no fan of anything Boston), there was talk of Rask deserving it - win or lose Game 7.
https://theathletic.com/1020446/2019/06/11/lebrun-the-case-and-historical-precedent-for-tuukka-rask-and-the-conn-smythe-win-or-lose-in-game-7/
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I’m having such a blast.
Think of me as a guy who just heard Dream Theater for the first time, and now he’s totally geeking out.
;D
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I’m having such a blast.
Think of me as a guy who just heard Dream Theater for the first time, and now he’s totally geeking out.
;D
That's awesome! Expansion has done it's job on you :tup
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I’m having such a blast.
Think of me as a guy who just heard Dream Theater for the first time, and now he’s totally geeking out.
;D
Hockey is a thrill, and Seattle is such a great sports town. It’s a match made in heaven.
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I have somewhat followed hockey for years. But I haven’t truly been into a hockey team from start to finish since I lived in Spokane and the local WHL team went all the way to the memorial cup and one. And that was all the way back in like 1991.
But now with watching every game of one team at the NHL level I really feel like I’m following the game a lot better than I ever have.
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One of the things I am noticing is that even at the NHL level…while there is definitely a higher level of precision… how much of this game can really come down to flukes and whether or not those flukes are going for you or against you.
We are out shooting our opponents in nearly every game, but we are just not getting really great looks. And then, as we were playing Edmonton tonight, the very first shot of theirs goes in off a bounce off a skate.
As I’m watching it take place on the ice, I really feel like we are out playing our opponents, but it’s not reflecting on the scoreboard. But then again, that’s kind of Seattle sports. LOL
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SOG
SEA 24
EDM 19
Score
EDM 5
SEA 2
This wouldn’t be nearly as frustrating if it weren’t literally a pattern.
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SOG
SEA 24
EDM 19
Score
EDM 5
SEA 2
This wouldn’t be nearly as frustrating if it weren’t literally a pattern.
That can be frustrating, but as you seem to be a new regular watcher of the game, keep in mind how important special teams are. Seattle so far is 30th out of 32 teams in power play percentage. You gotta take more advantage when getting those power play opportunities, but the season is still young, and they are an expansion team, so it may just take time. They are tied for 6th in the league in penalty kill, so that is really good. :tup :tup
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If you asked me on Friday I would have been happy with 3/4 points out of a weekend back to back with Pittsburg and Columbus, but losing that last point does sting after beating the Pens and leading the Blue Jackets in the third period. Still though, cautiously happy with how things are going to far this season (especially since it sounds like Jack Hughes will be out for a number of additional weeks).
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The Red Wings are looking like a much improved team so far, but Montreal has their number. In their two meetings so far, the Wings have been out scored 9-1, and looked mostly lost last night in a 3-0 shutout. They were missing 2/3rds of their top line last night, though, with Bertuzzi and Larkin both scratched. On the plus side, Moritz Seider was named Rookie of the Month for October with 8 points in 9 games. He and Lucas Raymond are the current favorites for the Calder Trophy. Fun fact, despite the talent the Wings have had over the years, their last Calder Trophy winner was Roger Crozier in the 1964-65 season.
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Solid victory by the Leafs last night - albeit against a depleted Vegas team. It only too 4+ years, but they finally look like an expansion team :lol.
Tampa tomorrow, and Boston on Saturday will be a better litmus test.
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albeit against a depleted Vegas team.
The way the 'Rona is running through these teams I think most of the games this year will feature one or both the teams playing minus key players.
The Blues have 100% vaccination and we still have 4 guys out on Covid protocols.
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albeit against a depleted Vegas team.
The way the 'Rona is running through these teams I think most of the games this year will feature one or both the teams playing minus key players.
The Blues have 100% vaccination and we still have 4 guys out on Covid protocols.
Yeah, but none of the VGK injuries are listed as COVID. Stone, Pacioretty, Karlsson, Tuch... not Covid. Three other players listed as "undisclosed".
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You know. It doesn't take that much to get the heart beating in that last min. in the 3rd onwards in that Kings/Blues game. That was painful with the Blues tying it with 7 seconds to go. It wasn't even the first time this calendar year that happened. I'll admit. I didn't have much faith in Quick doing well in the shootout, but he pulled through in the last two attempts and that was all that matters. I was hoping he get that stop against Tarasenko after what happened in the last game against the Blues and he did.
Also, Arthur Kaliyev. Just let that guy blast the thing and good things will happen. Happened in the tying goal and the shootout winner. Hope he can stick around long with the Kings and not get demoted back to the Reigns. Got to do the good things to stick around when it matters and this is a good case.
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Dreger / TSN is reporting that Eichel has been traded to Vegas in return for Alex Tuch, Peyton Krebs, and 2022 1st round pick.
Seems pretty light to me, although the outcome of surgery is a big risk. This could be a great deal for VGK if it's successful.
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Dreger / TSN is reporting that Eichel has been traded to Vegas in return for Alex Tuch, Peyton Krebs, and 2022 1st round pick.
Seems pretty light to me, although the outcome of surgery is a big risk. This could be a great deal for VGK if it's successful.
If that return is true, then this is definitely a steal for Vegas. Although, i suppose it cripples your negotiating power when the player says they're not playing for your team anymore.
I would have preferred Eichel stay in the east. When healthy he's a top notch player, and i could've done without him in the division. That being said....it doesn't look like the Oil are going to be concerned about many teams this season.
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Dreger / TSN is reporting that Eichel has been traded to Vegas in return for Alex Tuch, Peyton Krebs, and 2022 1st round pick.
Seems pretty light to me, although the outcome of surgery is a big risk. This could be a great deal for VGK if it's successful.
If that return is true, then this is definitely a steal for Vegas. Although, i suppose it cripples your negotiating power when the player says they're not playing for your team anymore.
I would have preferred Eichel stay in the east. When healthy he's a top notch player, and i could've done without him in the division. That being said....it doesn't look like the Oil are going to be concerned about many teams this season.
Yeah, the sure look like they're firing on all cylinders. Even Koskinnen is looking pretty good!
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Dreger / TSN is reporting that Eichel has been traded to Vegas in return for Alex Tuch, Peyton Krebs, and 2022 1st round pick.
Seems pretty light to me, although the outcome of surgery is a big risk. This could be a great deal for VGK if it's successful.
If that return is true, then this is definitely a steal for Vegas. Although, i suppose it cripples your negotiating power when the player says they're not playing for your team anymore.
I would have preferred Eichel stay in the east. When healthy he's a top notch player, and i could've done without him in the division. That being said....it doesn't look like the Oil are going to be concerned about many teams this season.
Yeah, the sure look like they're firing on all cylinders. Even Koskinnen is looking pretty good!
Buffalo got buffaloed. :lol
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The trade.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDWfU8MXIAURoGx?format=jpg)
Oooo, boy. Look at Vegas now. Going to be interesting to see how they get under it once their guys get healthy. Eichel will recover by March, correct?
(https://i.imgur.com/haSxqmc.png)
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I suspect he'll probably recover for Game 1 of the playoffs.
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Looks like they're following the Toronto strategy of loading up AAV in a few players - Eichel/Stone/Pacioretty/Pietrangelo taking up $35.3M of cap space.
They'll obviously have to move on from $10M of salary somehow - the obvious choice is the three UFA's they have coming due the end of this year (2F; 1D) make up $9.5M. Maybe Pacioretty?
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I suspect he'll probably recover for Game 1 of the playoffs.
You can be 100% sure of that.
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Looks like they're following the Toronto strategy of loading up AAV in a few players - Eichel/Stone/Pacioretty/Pietrangelo taking up $35.3M of cap space.
They'll obviously have to move on from $10M of salary somehow - the obvious choice is the three UFA's they have coming due the end of this year (2F; 1D) make up $9.5M. Maybe Pacioretty?
The ass end of all these AAV deals are going to be brutal for these teams. Blues have several of them as well. I get the strategy but man….better get that return in those first couple years.
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I suspect he'll probably recover for Game 1 of the playoffs.
:lol
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The Bruins have tied for the least games played (7) so far. One game was on ESPN+, so i missed that. One game was during a power outage, so I missed that, and another was opposite the Pats last week.
A guy for the Red Wings just got a penalty for "playing without a helmet". Is this a penalty?? When did this happen?
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How does Jeff Blashill still have a job?
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Hat trick!! Bergeron!!
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The Bruins have tied for the least games played (7) so far. One game was on ESPN+, so i missed that. One game was during a power outage, so I missed that, and another was opposite the Pats last week.
A guy for the Red Wings just got a penalty for "playing without a helmet". Is this a penalty?? When did this happen?
That rule was adopted from the international rules a few years ago in an attempt to improve safety. Helmet comes off and the player needs to immediately head to the bench
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Concussions is a hot topic in all sports these days.
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So funny to see Mike Rupp try and say something nice about the Bruins. His staring at the ceiling, rolling his eyes, while Stu Grimson was talking about the Jeagermeister Shot Of the Night was hilarious.
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Fuck that Leafs/Bolts game was awesome. Watch the highlight package boys. Both Campbell and Vasilevsky were lights out. Nice to get the win, even though they were crap in the 1st..
Sergechev will get at least 1 game, but he ought to get 2-3. The puck was gone, it was clear head-first contact, it was not a fast moving play (ie COMPLETELY avoidable), and there was clear upward movement of his shoulder at impact. That was Dreger’s analysis, so it’s not just me being a homer.
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SOG
SEA 28
BUF 8
Score is tied. Why do goalies suddenly turn into brick walls when they face us?
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The shots on goal stat can be very deceiving. It’s always a good thing if a team is shooting a lot because it means that they’re controlling the puck, but those shots aren’t always quality ones, and even the worst goalies in the league can stop soft shots. I’m not saying that Seattle isn’t getting quality shots, but the number of shots on goal doesn’t tell the whole story.
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SOG
SEA 28
BUF 8
Score is tied. Why do goalies suddenly turn into brick walls when they face us?
Well, to be fair ... when Eberle is your #1 forward, you can’t expect to be an offensive powerhouse. :lol
But yeah, that is frustrating.
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It’s not just the shots on goal either. Typically, nearly every stat on the board is in the favor of Seattle…..except the score
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SOG
SEA 28
BUF 8
Score is tied. Why do goalies suddenly turn into brick walls when they face us?
Well, to be fair ... when Eberle is your #1 forward, you can’t expect to be an offensive powerhouse. :lol
But yeah, that is frustrating.
This.
Eberle is a great 2nd liner, but if he's carrying your top line you're in trouble. Trust me. I watched him 6 or so seasons in Edmonton
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And as soon as you guys say that, he scores his second goal to take the lead. LOL
EDIT - I want to add that I understand what you guys are saying though. Just because he’s having a hot night doesn’t negate the fact that he was not that great for several seasons. If he is the best we’ve got, you’re probably right that we might be in trouble. :mehlin
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Can any Pittsburgh fans tell me about Brandon Tanev? He made a goofy face on his head shot when he joined the Kracken and he’s instantly become my favorite just for that reason. LOL
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And now Eberle has the first ever Kracken hat trick.
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Eberle was the streakiest of scorers when he was on the Isles.
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And now Eberle has the first ever Kracken hat trick.
:tup
Maybe I should 'dis' players more often :lol
Lots of big-time scoring last night - Nelson and Bergeron each with 4 goals. And 4/9 games go into OT last night. It's good to be a hockey fan!
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A guy for the Red Wings just got a penalty for "playing without a helmet". Is this a penalty?? When did this happen?
I was half-watching/listening to a game the other day, and I heard the announcer say something along the lines of "Zagurski loses his helmet, but he picked it up and got it back up, and the ref let him stay on the ice." Hard to believe it's been nearly 25 years since Afro MacTavish and his helmetless head retired.
SOG
SEA 28
BUF 8
Score is tied. Why do goalies suddenly turn into brick walls when they face us?
Three words: expansion team offense. Also, shot quantity does not equate to shot quality.
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I remember being in the building (Rexall Place, at the time) for Eberle's first NHL goal on opening night. It was our first year with season seats, and that play had everyone out of their seat after that initial toe drag. Regarded as one of, if not the best, first ever goal.
https://youtu.be/tB9K_eG8_3I (https://youtu.be/tB9K_eG8_3I)
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Well, Mario might have something to say about the best 1st goal ever - 1st game, 1st shift, 1st shot, 1st goal. Put that in yer pipe and smoke it.
But damn... Eberle's was filthy.
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How about Gabriel Vilardi scoring 10 seconds into his first shift?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4XneyUBdxI
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Well, Mario might have something to say about the best 1st goal ever - 1st game, 1st shift, 1st shot, 1st goal. Put that in yer pipe and smoke it.
But damn... Eberle's was filthy.
Mario's is tasty, though.
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How about Gabriel Vilardi scoring 10 seconds into his first shift?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4XneyUBdxI
Not exactly a great goal though lol. Tendy would've wanted that one back
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How about Gabriel Vilardi scoring 10 seconds into his first shift?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4XneyUBdxI
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/UnlawfulHeartyChanticleer-max-1mb.gif)
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Fuck that Leafs/Bolts game was awesome. Watch the highlight package boys. Both Campbell and Vasilevsky were lights out. Nice to get the win, even though they were crap in the 1st..
Sergechev will get at least 1 game, but he ought to get 2-3. The puck was gone, it was clear head-first contact, it was not a fast moving play (ie COMPLETELY avoidable), and there was clear upward movement of his shoulder at impact. That was Dreger’s analysis, so it’s not just me being a homer.
And, as predicted, Sergechev gets 2 games. Seems about right.
It's funny reading the different beat writers and the bias (I don't say that disparagingly, just factually). I clicked on an NHL.com article about the Bolts/Leafs game last night from the Tampa perspective - and while they gave a good amount of credit to Campbell, the narrative was entirely that the Bolts beat themselves. True enough, maybe they could've and should've put the Leafs away and not 'let' them hang around to get the tie and then win ... but the Leafs were ultimately the better team (just slightly). They held on in the first while they were playing like crap, dominated in the 2nd, and then were just enough better in the 3rd to get the tie, and then the win.
Just thought it was funny how opposite the media narrative was from each cities perspective
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How is it, with TWO networks carrying games, that there's never any fucking games on?? >:( :censored >:(
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I remember being in the building (Rexall Place, at the time) for Eberle's first NHL goal on opening night. It was our first year with season seats, and that play had everyone out of their seat after that initial toe drag. Regarded as one of, if not the best, first ever goal.
https://youtu.be/tB9K_eG8_3I (https://youtu.be/tB9K_eG8_3I)
I had to wait for the slo-mo to even figure out what he did. That was really fun to watch.
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How the heck does the Rangers not contain McDavid in this spot? They had four guys boxed around him and he still scores. McDavid just outmaneuvered everyone there.
https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1456834061683601409
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How the heck does the Rangers not contain McDavid in this spot? They had four guys boxed around him and he still scores. McDavid just outmaneuvered everyone there.
https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1456834061683601409
Well, to be fair to the Rangers, McDavid is nightmare fuel ;D
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Just watched the highlight package ... man, that Oil/Ranger game must've been fun as hell to watch. Great win by Edm. But trust me, Leafs fans know, a strategy of simply out-gunning your opponents will catch up with you. Offenses go on slumps much faster than Defenses can up their game.
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Just watched the highlight package ... man, that Oil/Ranger game must've been fun as hell to watch. Great win by Edm. But trust me, Leafs fans know, a strategy of simply out-gunning your opponents will catch up with you. Offenses go on slumps much faster than Defenses can up their game.
I have no illusions that a high powered offense isn't going to cut it when the teams start getting stingy on D, and the league eventually remembers that 97 and 29 are beasts and play them accordingly
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How the heck does the Rangers not contain McDavid in this spot? They had four guys boxed around him and he still scores. McDavid just outmaneuvered everyone there.
https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1456834061683601409
I don’t wanna talk about it. >:(
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Ok, time for some predictions then. Meant to do this earlier, but it's been a crazy week with work.
Awards:
Hart - McJesus (Matthews, Barkov)
Art Ross - McJesus (Panarin, Point)
Rocket - Matthews (Debrincat, Rantanen)
Norris - Makar (Hedman, Jones)
Vezina - Vasilevsky (Lehner, Varlamov or Sorokin ... whoever wins the #1 job)
Adams - Colliton (Gallant, Green)
Calder - Caufield (no clue)
Selke - no clue
Guess these two were the kiss of death. :lol I just can't grasp how Chicago is as bad as their record.
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Ok, time for some predictions then. Meant to do this earlier, but it's been a crazy week with work.
Awards:
Hart - McJesus (Matthews, Barkov)
Art Ross - McJesus (Panarin, Point)
Rocket - Matthews (Debrincat, Rantanen)
Norris - Makar (Hedman, Jones)
Vezina - Vasilevsky (Lehner, Varlamov or Sorokin ... whoever wins the #1 job)
Adams - Colliton (Gallant, Green)
Calder - Caufield (no clue)
Selke - no clue
Guess these two were the kiss of death. :lol I just can't grasp how Chicago is as bad as their record.
At this rate Matthews won't even be close for the Rocket. Ovi looks like a man very much determined to beat Gretzky's record, and i hope he does
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How about Gabriel Vilardi scoring 10 seconds into his first shift?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4XneyUBdxI
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/UnlawfulHeartyChanticleer-max-1mb.gif)
That a player that the Kings hope can comfortably play top 6 minutes and produce consistently in the future. Hasn’t been as great as that debut game from time to time.
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Ok, time for some predictions then. Meant to do this earlier, but it's been a crazy week with work.
Awards:
Hart - McJesus (Matthews, Barkov)
Art Ross - McJesus (Panarin, Point)
Rocket - Matthews (Debrincat, Rantanen)
Norris - Makar (Hedman, Jones)
Vezina - Vasilevsky (Lehner, Varlamov or Sorokin ... whoever wins the #1 job)
Adams - Colliton (Gallant, Green)
Calder - Caufield (no clue)
Selke - no clue
Guess these two were the kiss of death. :lol I just can't grasp how Chicago is as bad as their record.
At this rate Matthews won't even be close for the Rocket. Ovi looks like a man very much determined to beat Gretzky's record, and i hope he does
Curious .... why?
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Kraken's AHL team is now the Coachella Valley Firebirds.
https://cvfirebirds.com/
Nice to have a pro team local to me.
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Ok, time for some predictions then. Meant to do this earlier, but it's been a crazy week with work.
Awards:
Hart - McJesus (Matthews, Barkov)
Art Ross - McJesus (Panarin, Point)
Rocket - Matthews (Debrincat, Rantanen)
Norris - Makar (Hedman, Jones)
Vezina - Vasilevsky (Lehner, Varlamov or Sorokin ... whoever wins the #1 job)
Adams - Colliton (Gallant, Green)
Calder - Caufield (no clue)
Selke - no clue
Guess these two were the kiss of death. :lol I just can't grasp how Chicago is as bad as their record.
At this rate Matthews won't even be close for the Rocket. Ovi looks like a man very much determined to beat Gretzky's record, and i hope he does
Curious .... why?
I don't like to think that the all time goals and points are held by the same person from an era where goaltenders looked somewhat incompetent, and nobody cared about fitness. To think that those have been widely considered unbreakable bothers me. 2800 points is as good as unbreakable. I feel like Ovi has a serious shot at the goal record. Hell, i was pumped when Jagr passed Messier for 2nd overall in points. Records need to fall from time to time
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I don't like to think that the all time goals and points are held by the same person from an era where goaltenders looked somewhat incompetent, and nobody cared about fitness. To think that those have been widely considered unbreakable bothers me. 2800 points is as good as unbreakable. I feel like Ovi has a serious shot at the goal record. Hell, i was pumped when Jagr passed Messier for 2nd overall in points. Records need to fall from time to time
With all due respect, your age is showing. Assuming it is correct in your profile (38), that means you are too young to have seen Gretzky play in his prime (and I believe that does matter). Watching him play at his peak was literally like watching a man amongst boys. It was just ridiculous how much better he was at the game than literally everyone else, and the era when he had his prime had several other historically great players, so it's not like he had no competition. The fact that Jagr, an all-time great, played for like 399 years and still couldn't get as many points as Gretzky had assists is a testament to how truly dominant 99 was. It wasn't even fair.
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It's a fair criticism. I didn't really start watching until '90, so i didn't get prime Gretzky.
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Just happened to have my Imgur open.
Took this pic of Gretz as he came off the ice after warmups for Game 4 of the '88 Finals. Yes, that was the night the lights went out at the Garden. The pic is a little dark..
(https://i.imgur.com/u9zvPpa.jpg)
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Every time Gretzky had the puck I stopped breathing. The man came into the league scoring 51 goals his rookie year.
It was insane.
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Possibly one of the more frustrating things about the first few games of the season has been that we were promised low scoring games with tons of defense. But it seems that we’ve been far more offensively productive than was expected and Grubaer (and our entire defense) has been Swiss cheese.
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Calder - Caufield (no clue)
Anton Lundell (Florida) will probably be in consideration at this rate. He has 6 points in 7 games, has played big penalty kill and power play minutes from the get go, and showed his class when they beat the Canes without Barkov.
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I'm with Kev. I consider myself blessed to have seen the greatest play in his prime. And those 80s Oilers were simply stacked with talent.
Some things are comparable across eras though. Why hadn't anyone before Gretzky been able to even come close to the kinds of numbers he put up. Also, goaltenders were hardly incompetent - Vasilevsky played his 300th game the other night, and in the Leafs broadcast they flashed a stat that he had the 2nd most wins of all time in those first 300 at 195 games. The leader? Ken Dryden. Also, 42 of Vas's wins were in OT/shootout.
Like Kev said, he was like sticking a 16-year old in a league of 8-year olds. It was crazy how much better (particularly between the ears) he was.
Hey, I never thought Sawchuck's 103 shutouts would ever be broken, but Brodeur did it. There's a chance that Ovi could do it, and it'd be impressive as shit if he did. If anything though, I'm actually rooting against it.
I wish Mario had been able to be healthy. He too was in a league of his own.
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Consider too that Mike Bossy is about as good a goal scorer as we have ever seen (I think he still might have the highest goals per game average, which of course was helped by him retiring early, so he didn't have a bunch of late in his career seasons that dragged his overall average down), and he was 2nd in the league in goals with 64 in 1981-1982 (his 3rd highest total in a season).
Gretzky was 1st with 92. :eek :eek
Oh, and Gretzky had 120 assists that season as well. :lol :lol :lol :lol :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek
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Gretzky's single season goal total is unbreakable. So is Teemu's rookie season goal tally. Hell, if a player scored 76 goals in a season period it would be astounding, let alone if it were a rookie.
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Consider too that Mike Bossy is about as good a goal scorer as we have ever seen (I think he still might have the highest goals per game average, which of course was helped by him retiring early, so he didn't have a bunch of late in his career seasons that dragged his overall average down), and he was 2nd in the league in goals with 64 in 1981-1982 (his 3rd highest total in a season).
He is my all time favorite player.
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Consider too that Mike Bossy is about as good a goal scorer as we have ever seen (I think he still might have the highest goals per game average, which of course was helped by him retiring early, so he didn't have a bunch of late in his career seasons that dragged his overall average down), and he was 2nd in the league in goals with 64 in 1981-1982 (his 3rd highest total in a season).
He is my all time favorite player.
I was pretty young, but I got into hockey in the early 80s and that Islanders team was something else. Kind of a shame that they got overshadowed by the Oilers dynasty, but we remember. I'll be surprised to ever see another team win 4 championships in a row in any of the 4 major sports in my lifetime (Yankees came oh so close in '01 before losing in wonderfully heartbreaking fashion).
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Calder - Caufield (no clue)
Anton Lundell (Florida) will probably be in consideration at this rate. He has 6 points in 7 games, has played big penalty kill and power play minutes from the get go, and showed his class when they beat the Canes without Barkov.
I’d say Lucas Raymond and Moritz Seider are the Calder front runners so far. Raymond leads all rookies in scoring, has a hat trick and a 3-assist game so far. Seider scored his first NHL goal last night, a beauty of an OT game winner, and leads in assists. They have both been seeing tons of ice time in critical situations, as Raymond has cemented himself on the first line of the Wings, while Seider is essentially their #1 Defenseman.
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I thought the Rangers were gonna blow another big third period lead. Jesus Christ they stress me out.
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Whoop, whoop. Kings won against the Leafs. Sorry, Jingle. I was sweating the rest of the game after the Tavares goal even after the first Danault Goal (which really honestly looked pretty questionable). It took a while but Danault and Iafallo on the same line is really clicking together. That's good news all around for the team.
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Whoop, whoop. Kings won against the Leafs. Sorry, Jingle. I was sweating the rest of the game after the Tavares goal even after the first Danault Goal (which really honestly looked pretty questionable). It took a while but Danault and Iafallo on the same line is really clicking together. That's good news all around for the team.
Yeah, I only watched part of the 2nd last night while working out. I had a feeling this wasn't going to be the Leafs' night. I think if Matthews had been able to tie it at 2 with that rush he had down the boards (but just rang it off the post), it might've been a different game. That Dannault goal was 'good' - the first attempt looked like a clear kick, but the puck just ricocheted off his skate after that.
Wish they'd put a better effort forth in front of Campbell, but oh well.
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Whoop, whoop. Kings won against the Leafs. Sorry, Jingle. I was sweating the rest of the game after the Tavares goal even after the first Danault Goal (which really honestly looked pretty questionable). It took a while but Danault and Iafallo on the same line is really clicking together. That's good news all around for the team.
Five in a row! Yeah! I didn't get to see the game, but the guys on the postgame were calling it one of the team's best overall efforts in years. Hopefully it continues tonight (but it probably won't since I'll actually be able to watch most of the game) and the winning streak continues.
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My nephew plays on the Boston Bruins ice Saturday for a show that plays between periods of the Bruins broadcast during the year.
It's called Mini "One on One" that has happened since the 70's that my brother and I fantasized about and in full circle, his son gets to play in it. Proud moment for our family.
(https://i.postimg.cc/hPh72Lzf/Screenshot-20211109-204557-Facebook.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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(https://media3.giphy.com/media/l3V0wkQ2KKcAeW8Cs/giphy.gif)
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See, those are the moments we want to see more of in the world of hockey nowadays. Great to see that, King.
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My brother and I are like kids again. I was there when he got the news. Super big hugs and a million high fives.
We are so excited for him.
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The announcer said something tonight that I have heard almost every announcer say at nearly every Kraken game.
“The stat sheet shows Seattle is dominating…but the score does not reflect it.”
This is becoming a running theme
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The importance of goaltending can never be overstated.
Case in point: Binnington stole that game for the Blues last night in Winnipeg. :hat :hat
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The Blackhawks have looked different since Cotillion was dismissed.
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The Blackhawks have looked different since Cotillion was dismissed.
He was over his head from the jump. I cannot believe he lasted that long.
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Whistles.... Ducks GM, Bob Murray, has resigned and is going to enroll into an alcohol-abuse program.
https://www.nhl.com/ducks/news/bob-murray-resigns-from-position-as-ducks-evp--general-manager/c-327799704
Ducks higher-ups really took swift action on this one. Stated yesterday that they had to put him on a leave pending investigation and the action to resign was made today.
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Word is the league is expecting ownership and executives to take a look 'under the hood' of the organization, and address behaviour(s) that would've been dismissed or swept away in the past. I'd be surprised if this was the last of these kinds of departures.
Solid team win by the Leafs last night. Say, Nick... when did Giroux become such a proficient diver? He gave quite the performance on those first two penalties he drew.
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The Blackhawks have looked different since Cotillion was dismissed.
He was over his head from the jump. I cannot believe he lasted that long.
To give him some credit, he was put into an awful situation from the get go. Too young to command respect from the veterans, a team stuck between rebuild and contending, and he never once got a full season to coach (not counting the 56 game season as a full season). It doesn't absolve him of his errors in gameplans, scheme and motivation, but it does make you feel for the guy a bit.
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The Blackhawks have looked different since Cotillion was dismissed.
He was over his head from the jump. I cannot believe he lasted that long.
To give him some credit, he was put into an awful situation from the get go. Too young to command respect from the veterans, a team stuck between rebuild and contending, and he never once got a full season to coach (not counting the 56 game season as a full season). It doesn't absolve him of his errors in gameplans, scheme and motivation, but it does make you feel for the guy a bit.
Yeah well that’s what I mean when I said he was over his head. It wasn’t necessarily his fault.
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WHAT A GAME!!!
I think we’d be ahead of Grubaeur would get his head about him.
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UGH….REALLY disagree with pulling the goalie with almost 3 minutes left. I think that’s a hair too soon. Now we’re done for.
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SEVEN IN A ROW for the Kings!
Hopefully the "real" Kings are closer to the team that has won seven in a row than to the team that lost six in a row before that, but this is really fun!
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UGH….REALLY disagree with pulling the goalie with almost 3 minutes left. I think that’s a hair too soon. Now we’re done for.
Out of curiosity, why do you think that's too early to pull the goalie?
Back in the day you'd usually only see an empty net in the last minute or so of the game, but I think coaches started pulling them earlier to get multiple shifts out of their top players (potential fake news alert: I have no idea if this actually true). With only a minute left you get one crack at tying it with your top line. I have no issue with a coach treating it like a powerplay, and trying to get a full 2+ minutes with the extra skater. It's always going to be a huge risk with the net empty, but there's almost no consequence to allowing the extra goal. If you're going to lose by 1 you might as well lose by 2 while swinging for the fence. Goal differential is so far down the tie breaker list that it's a non-issue.
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I remember hearing that the 'analytics' showed the highest percentage chance of getting a tie'g goal was somewhere around the 2:30 time frame. I remember years ago, Patrick Roy (when he was coaching the Avs) pulled his goalie with over 6 minutes to go - at the time, there was a study that suggested 6:10 was the most optimal time to pull the goal. (https://www.sportscasting.com/statistics-say-this-is-when-nhl-teams-should-pull-the-goalie/)
Current thinking - https://galea.medium.com/when-to-pull-the-goalie-running-the-numbers-on-nhl-goalie-pulls-9fad2a6caceb
TLDR;
As discussed in the results section of this post, I found that it’s optimal to pull an NHL goalie when there’s 3:00 left in the period. In this case, you would have 1 in 4 odds of scoring.
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The extra attacker is one thing, but it’s not like you have no chance at even strength. I would concede that the old-school way of doing it at one minute is probably putting your offense in a bit of a pinch. But two minutes seems pretty reasonable to me (like SS said…it becomes a last minute power play at that point). More than that and it’s almost like you’re not even trusting your regular offense to just be aggressive and do their job.
And six minutes just seems silly to me. That would be like throwing a Hail Mary with 6 minutes left to play.
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I remember hearing that the 'analytics' showed the highest percentage chance of getting a tie'g goal was somewhere around the 2:30 time frame. I remember years ago, Patrick Roy (when he was coaching the Avs) pulled his goalie with over 6 minutes to go - at the time, there was a study that suggested 6:10 was the most optimal time to pull the goal. (https://www.sportscasting.com/statistics-say-this-is-when-nhl-teams-should-pull-the-goalie/)
Current thinking - https://galea.medium.com/when-to-pull-the-goalie-running-the-numbers-on-nhl-goalie-pulls-9fad2a6caceb
TLDR;
As discussed in the results section of this post, I found that it’s optimal to pull an NHL goalie when there’s 3:00 left in the period. In this case, you would have 1 in 4 odds of scoring.
I love how this is some hockey fan with a Master of Science in physics who's just bored and whips up a data model using Python. As a fellow data scientist nerd, this makes me chuckle.
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Data don't lie!
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Data don't lie!
Thank you for making me think of the greatest promo in wrestling history
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msDuNZyYAIQ
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Data don't lie!
Thank you for making me think of the greatest promo in wrestling history
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msDuNZyYAIQ
Ahhh, Scott Steiner. If only his peak wrestling abilities in the early 90s meshed well with his nonsense ramblings in the 00s.
Scott Steiner - He's Fat! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZqo4OZ0Pqs)
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Carolina is jingle.son's 2nd fave team. The college he attends, and will finally be on campus for in January, is in Ottawa, so he's trying to make himeslf a Sens fan (side note... this isn't a bad plan considering how good they're gonna be in a few years). Anywho.... just bought him tix as a Christmas gift for the Sens/Canes game in Ottawa for Jan 27th. Spurged just a little bit, and got 3rd row right behind the Sens bench. And we'd already got a Svechnikov (his fave player) jersey for him too. Gonna be a sweet haul for him next month.
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Awww, snaps. That sounds awesome. Great gifts.
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Proud family moment with my nephew playing on the Boston Garden ice today.
(https://i.postimg.cc/02x8wKHB/20211113-115400.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PN3sGJHW)
(https://i.postimg.cc/zvN1K4pg/20211113-115127.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8JZ3VK2p)
(https://i.postimg.cc/QxX3tGFL/20211113-114259.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4nFML0vw)
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That's awesome Joe. Make sure we get a heads up when they are broadcast.
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Simply amazing!
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Will do!
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My nephew gets to play at Roger's Place next weekend for his minor hockey game. It's right after the Edmonton Oil Kings game (WHL team), so all the kids go to the game then suit up for their own after. Amazing experience for these kids. Glad to hear Boston has some kind of program that lets kids have that experience.
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They film them and play them between periods on the Bruins broadcast.
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They film them and play them between periods on the Bruins broadcast.
What, no spoilers?
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Oh they got crushed by the eventual winners in their division.
3 minutes, no stop. You win, you move on. You lose, you are out.
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Oh they got crushed by the eventual winners in their division.
3 minutes, no stop. You win, you move on. You lose, you are out.
How was he after the game?
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He was good. Surprisingly. I think the glow of playing in the Garden took over.
Hell, I was all stary eyed. Lol
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Been pretty good about not getting too upset about regular season losses but losing to the Canes tonight was about as mad as I’ve been. Simply because we ding the post and outplay them for 2 of the 3 periods and do everything but score in the third and then allow a basic screen shot goal to them for the winner. It is what it is I suppose and it was against a rookie 21 year old goalie but this L ticked me off a bit.
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Been pretty good about not getting too upset about regular season losses but losing to the Canes tonight was about as mad as I’ve been. Simply because we ding the post and outplay them for 2 of the 3 periods and do everything but score in the third and then allow a basic screen shot goal to them for the winner. It is what it is I suppose and it was against a rookie 21 year old goalie but this L ticked me off a bit.
It's always a bummer to come back from a 2-0 deficit and have nothing to show for it in the standings (since it was a loss in regulation), but they still played well overall, which was nice to see. It's a long season, so gotta take the good with the bad. :)
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I would've never thought Anaheim and Calgary would start this strong ... and conversely, I thought Vancouver and the Isles were going to be much better. Isles are somewhat forgiven, having to start the season on a 5-week road trip; they finally get a home game this weekend.
Vegas and the Leafs (both 8-2 in their last 10) recovered nicely after shaky starts, but Nashville is the hottest team in the league?? Jersey and Detroit are also surprisingly competitive.
Damn it's good to be a hockey fan.
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Welp.
The NHL postponed three Ottawa Senators games on Monday amid a COVID-19 outbreak on the team, the first time any of North America’s major professional sports leagues have been hit by rescheduling this fall because of the coronavirus.
Games scheduled for Tuesday at New Jersey, at home Thursday against Nashville and at home Saturday against the New York Rangers were postponed. Ten Senators players are currently in the NHL's COVID-19 protocol.
While Ottawa played shorthanded Sunday in a 4-0 loss to Calgary, the depth of the outbreak led to the decision to postpone games, which the league said was made in light of evidence of continued spread in recent days. The Senators are shut down through at least Saturday, with their training facilities closed to players until then as a precaution.
“The Senators organization has, and will continue to follow, all recommended guidelines aimed at protecting the health and safety of its players, staff and community at large as set by the NHL, local, provincial and national agencies,” the league said in a statement.
Neither the NFL nor the NBA has had to postpone a game so far this fall. Major League Baseball had nine virus-related postponements among 2,430 scheduled games, down from 45 in last year’s shortened 900-game schedule.
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^^ Don't think this could be something that would stop the league from sending players to the Olympics, but certainly a step closer for the league wanting to be trigger happy about pulling out and I'm sure Bettman and co. want to be very trigger happy about wanting to pull out.
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1460345209838002181
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No way the NHL backs out unless they absolutely have to. They have almost no presence in the largest market in the world. The Olympics are exactly the exposure they want, otherwise they works have skipped them like the Korea games. It's going to take a lot more than a handful of canceled games for them not to showcase their stars in China.
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Well, Staples Center is going to be renamed into Crypto.com Arena??? Just why AEG? WHY? Can't you find a better sponsor that can bring a better name? Apparently, this is going to be part of a 20 year deal. Is Crypto still going to be a thing for the next 20 years?
https://theathletic.com/news/staples-center-to-be-renamed-cryptocom-arena-as-part-of-20-year-naming-rights-deal-sources/tKIBSv6jWb1b/
The link is a paywall, but that was the source.
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Losing at home to the Coyotes is embarrassing. I know it's a long season and there will be ups and downs, but jeez. Come on, Blues, get it together. :censored :censored
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Losing at home to the Coyotes is embarrassing. I know it's a long season and there will be ups and downs, but jeez. Come on, Blues, get it together. :censored :censored
Zoinks!
Another very entertaining game last night between the 2 hottest teams in the league... and a nice outcome too. Leafs also get Kyle Clifford back, so the trade that brought Campbell to the Leafs is definitely looking more and more like a very big win for the Leafs - Trevor Moore and a couple of 3rd rounders was the cost for what is (currently) the best goalie in the league. Hard to believe that James Reimer is also tied for 1st in GAA and SV%... on San Jose no less!
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I couldn't watch hockey last night other than live look-ins on the NHL network.
Just to reiterate what I said a couple of weeks ago...
How is it, with TWO networks carrying games, that there's never any fucking games on?? >:( :censored >:(
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I couldn't watch hockey last night other than live look-ins on the NHL network.
Just to reiterate what I said a couple of weeks ago...
How is it, with TWO networks carrying games, that there's never any fucking games on?? >:( :censored >:(
Sorry 'bout your luck (sincerely). No problem up here - between TSN and SportsNet (both of which have 5 distinct broadcast channels), every Leafs game is aired, and (depending on blackout rules), I can view at least 1 or 2 other games any given night with the other 6 Canadian teams if I wanted to.
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Losing at home to the Coyotes is embarrassing. I know it's a long season and there will be ups and downs, but jeez. Come on, Blues, get it together. :censored :censored
That was pretty bad. All sorts of chances to score but couldn’t bury the puck…..another soft game by Binnington who was playing on fire for a while…..last two games he’s looked wretched. Just an all around bad game. The best part about it for me was after the game when my youngest went full anger mode at the TV when they lost. A chip off the ol block :lol
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I couldn't watch hockey last night other than live look-ins on the NHL network.
Just to reiterate what I said a couple of weeks ago...
How is it, with TWO networks carrying games, that there's never any fucking games on?? >:( :censored >:(
Sorry 'bout your luck (sincerely). No problem up here - between TSN and SportsNet (both of which have 5 distinct broadcast channels), every Leafs game is aired, and (depending on blackout rules), I can view at least 1 or 2 other games any given night with the other 6 Canadian teams if I wanted to.
Yeah, we're pretty fortunate up here. Tons of coverage. One of the only reasons i still have cable. Well, sports and the trash reality tv Mrs Schecter enjoys.
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Well I think the Bruins have played the least amount of games and they’re on a 5 day layoff this week.
It seemed like last year, the NHL network was also broadcasting games. I felt there was a game on every night.
Now I can’t find them.
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Well I think the Bruins have played the least amount of games and they’re on a 5 day layoff this week.
It seemed like last year, the NHL network was also broadcasting games. I felt there was a game on every night.
Now I can’t find them.
Odd that they'd have a 5 day break this early in the season, or at all in a compressed Olympic year schedule.
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While the Avs have played the fewest games at 12, the B’s have only played 13. On our division, Montreal and Detroit have already played 18!!
And of the 13 Bruins games, one was on ESPN+, which is a subscription service and another one was opposite a Pats game at 1:00 on a Sunday! WTF??
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Losing at home to the Coyotes is embarrassing. I know it's a long season and there will be ups and downs, but jeez. Come on, Blues, get it together. :censored :censored
Zoinks!
Another very entertaining game last night between the 2 hottest teams in the league... and a nice outcome too. Leafs also get Kyle Clifford back, so the trade that brought Campbell to the Leafs is definitely looking more and more like a very big win for the Leafs - Trevor Moore and a couple of 3rd rounders was the cost for what is (currently) the best goalie in the league. Hard to believe that James Reimer is also tied for 1st in GAA and SV%... on San Jose no less!
Congratulations. They going to resign him at a fair price in the offseason?
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Some people think he might take a bit of a discount to stay in Toronto; I'm not so sure. I can see a 4x4 kinda deal. One (arguably 1 1/2) terrific season isn't going to launch a 30-year old with only 150 NHL games under his belt into Grubauer territory or anything.
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Well, Staples Center is going to be renamed into Crypto.com Arena??? Just why AEG? WHY? Can't you find a better sponsor that can bring a better name? Apparently, this is going to be part of a 20 year deal. Is Crypto still going to be a thing for the next 20 years?
Utterly stupid.
That building will never not be "The Stapler."
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Just for you, Chad. My friend's new pin.
(https://i.imgur.com/qgo93H9.png)
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Cheaper too!
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Hey whaddya know..there's a game on tonight.
At 10 fucking PM! :censored
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Hey whaddya know..there's a game on tonight.
At 10 fucking PM! :censored
When do west coast games usually come on for you? :angel:
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Ah… I see I’m not alone in being immediately drawn to Brandon Tanev.
And according to this quote from an ESPN article, there’s a reason he’s become a quick fan favorite in Seattle.
Tanev's cult status started with the headshot. The one he took while playing for the Penguins, bulging his eyes widely with a concerned look on his face. His explanation at the time: "I did actually see a ghost. It was walking behind the gentleman who was taking our pictures. Kinda caught me off guard."
When Tanev was drafted by the Kraken, he was one of the players who showed up in Seattle for the roster unveiling. The photo was shown to the crowd, to rolling laughter.
"We're a quirky set of people up here. Anyone that looks like he's a member of a grunge band in a mugshot is going to endear himself quickly," Patrick M said.
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Hey whaddya know..there's a game on tonight.
At 10 fucking PM! :censored
When do west coast games usually come on for you? :angel:
Right?
It's why I always say I could never live on the east coast. When the Kings play in other time zones, the games start between 4:xx and 6:xx, and Pacific time zone games start at 7:xx, and every regular season game is done by 10:30. However, if you're in the eastern time zone, the games end no earlier than 10:00, and games in the Pacific time zone aren't likely to end until after 1:00 a.m.! The times I've intentionally stayed up past 1:00 a.m. in the last 20 years have been few and far between.
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The times I've intentionally stayed up past 1:00 a.m. in the last 20 years have been few and far between.
Same here. Something must have gone horribly wrong with my day if I'm still awake at 1am
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(https://imgur.com/a/7iJMTad)
Arrrgggg….posting image links from Imgur used to work! I did it exactly like this for a few posts in the AC/DC thread and then it just stopped working and I can’t figure out why!
[old man yelling at cloud]
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(https://imgur.com/a/7iJMTad)
Arrrgggg….posting image links from Imgur used to work! I did it exactly like this for a few posts in the AC/DC thread and then it just stopped working and I can’t figure out why!
[old man yelling at cloud]
Worked fine for me yesterday...
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Hey whaddya know..there's a game on tonight.
At 10 fucking PM! :censored
When do west coast games usually come on for you? :angel:
Right?
It's why I always say I could never live on the east coast. When the Kings play in other time zones, the games start between 4:xx and 6:xx, and Pacific time zone games start at 7:xx, and every regular season game is done by 10:30. However, if you're in the eastern time zone, the games end no earlier than 10:00, and games in the Pacific time zone aren't likely to end until after 1:00 a.m.! The times I've intentionally stayed up past 1:00 a.m. in the last 20 years have been few and far between.
It's only an issue in May/June to tell you the truth. I don't remember the last time there was a west coast regular season game so compelling that I wanted to stay up for it.
I was a big Calgary fan back in the 80s and 90s, and fuck me hard back in '90 when they went to double OT against LA in Game 6, and again in '94 with game 7 vs Vancouver! Thank god I was young, and not in school at the time.
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Game 1 in the 1990 Stanley Cup finals between the Oilers & Bruins was so damn long I fell asleep and missed the Oilers goal in the 3rd overtime. I was only 22 but I was working early at the time 6 am.
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I remember those days back in the 2014 Olympics where I was able to stay up until 2AM and 3AM to watch the hockey tournaments. Don't think I can do that kind of stuff in 2022.
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Game 1 in the 1990 Stanley Cup finals between the Oilers & Bruins was so damn long I fell asleep and missed the Oilers goal in the 3rd overtime. I was only 22 but I was working early at the time 6 am.
I swear, there have been a few Blues playoff games that went so long that in my trying to stay awake phase, there were a few times where I thought, "I don't even care if we win, just somebody please score!" :eek :eek
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Game 1 in the 1990 Stanley Cup finals between the Oilers & Bruins was so damn long I fell asleep and missed the Oilers goal in the 3rd overtime. I was only 22 but I was working early at the time 6 am.
Petr fucking Klima!
I was at the end of my senior year of college and I watched it at the the TV room in the campus center. I was the only one sitting there when the GWG was scored. The Bruins never recovered.
That room was called Nick's Place, in honor of Nicholas Colasanto, who was also a graduate of Bryant College.
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Game 1 in the 1990 Stanley Cup finals between the Oilers & Bruins was so damn long I fell asleep and missed the Oilers goal in the 3rd overtime. I was only 22 but I was working early at the time 6 am.
Petr fucking Klima!
I was at the end of my senior year of college and I watched it at the the TV room in the campus center. I was the only one sitting there when the GWG was scored. The Bruins never recovered.
That room was called Nick's Place, in honor of Nicholas Colasanto, who was also a graduate of Bryant College.
50/50 chance you don't know who that is. :lol
Lots of close games last nigh - I think 3 went to shoot-out?
I sure hope the Leafs aren't 'peaking' right now, but man they look good.
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It’s Coach from Cheers! :P :P :P
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(https://i.imgur.com/kPvB85f.gif)
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:lol
How about this for a nugget.
The Pats have played more games than the Bruins this week. :lol
WTF NHL. 13 games so far.
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So this seems a little weird to me. Seattle just got called for high-sticking which I suppose it technically was. But the replay clearly showed that a Colorado player behind him hooked his stick and lifted it up so that it hit another player in the face.
Have you guys seen this kind of thing before? Because that seems pretty lame
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It's possible the ref didn't see that in real time.
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So this seems a little weird to me. Seattle just got called for high-sticking which I suppose it technically was. But the replay clearly showed that a Colorado player behind him hooked his stick and lifted it up so that it hit another player in the face.
Have you guys seen this kind of thing before? Because that seems pretty lame
Not uncommon. The only time that can be reviewed, is if it is a 4-minute double minor (ie, blood was drawn from the high-stick). If replays show it was the stick of a player from his own team, the penalty can be reversed. If it's just a 2-minute penalty, it can't be reviewed, and it's a "whoops ... shit out of luck"
Shit happens.
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Happy the Rangers won, but you gotta feel for the Sabres there, literally conceding the game winning goal in the last second of the game.
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Happy to see the Kraken breaking a six game losing streak by handing the Caps their first loss in 7. :angel: And Grubauer finally looked like Grubauer tonight (22 saves and 0 GA in the 3rd)
They are giving me more hope than the Seahawks right now. So bring on the Canes!
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Happy to see the Kraken breaking a six game losing streak by handing the Caps their first loss in 7. :angel: And Grubauer finally looked like Grubauer tonight (22 saves and 0 GA in the 3rd)
They are giving me more hope than the Seahawks right now. So bring on the Canes!
Be careful what you wish for. If the Kraken falls behind after two periods, the Hurricanes are just going to suffocate their opponents in the 3rd and not let anything in. Last Saturday against the Kings was a good example of that. That one and today's game against the Coyotes was a bummer.
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Happy the Rangers won, but you gotta feel for the Sabres there, literally conceding the game winning goal in the last second of the game.
Buffalo be Buffalo'g. 4-4 ties seem to be a kiss of death for them - the Leafs got a 5-4 victory last week with the GWG coming with less than 10 seconds to go. Not quite as dramatic as yesterday, but still.
Nice bounce-back by the Leafs after they slept-walked thru their game Saturday against the Pens - albeit against a COVID wounded Isles squad. Cool to see a 23-year old rookie get his first NHL shutout.
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Thank you Calgary for a late birthday gift. :metal
:biggrin: @ Tim/Joe
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:lol
How about this for a nugget.
The Pats have played more games than the Bruins this week. :lol
WTF NHL. 13 games so far.
And at the other end of that, the Wings and Habs are already at 20 games each!
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So the Devils brought out their 3rd jersey design and this is the end result..... People aren't really digging it. I mean the non-logo part of the design is all right, but the logo itself.... Yeah....
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FE4lZxeXsAYz4YW?format=jpg)
https://twitter.com/NJDevils/status/1463148457691123719
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Ehh....not a fan of those at all.
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I'll be blunt ... it's fucking terrible.
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Thank you Calgary for a late birthday gift. :metal
:biggrin: @ Tim/Joe
I meant to get back to this...
The Bruins looked awful in this game. They just didn't seem into it. If Bergeron and Marchand aren't going, and they weren't, the Bruins have no offence. Pasta, perhaps still reeling from the loss of his child this summer, has been terrible.
What's worse is that Dan Vladar, the B's 3rd round pick in 2015 draft, shut out the Bruins. I mean, has there ever been a worse draft in the history of drafts? I mean, Brandon Carlo was a find, but when you have 3 mid first round picks, and three more 2nd round picks, and all you get is Brandon Carlo...WTF??
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I'll be blunt ... it's fucking terrible.
Players/fans etc etc of New Jersey will be forced to say they like them because Brodeur designed them. I think he should stick to Enterprise commercials and public appearances.
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I'll be blunt ... it's fucking terrible.
Players/fans etc etc of New Jersey will be forced to say they like them because Brodeur designed them. I think he should stick to Enterprise commercials and public appearances.
I dunno man... those Enterprise commercials are awfully cringey.
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I'll be blunt ... it's fucking terrible.
Players/fans etc etc of New Jersey will be forced to say they like them because Brodeur designed them. I think he should stick to Enterprise commercials and public appearances.
I dunno man... those Enterprise commercials are awfully cringey.
I kind of liked them.
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So the Devils brought out their 3rd jersey design and this is the end result..... People aren't really digging it. I mean the non-logo part of the design is all right, but the logo itself.... Yeah....
....
https://twitter.com/NJDevils/status/1463148457691123719
So...
It's the new New Jersey jersey!
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So the Devils brought out their 3rd jersey design and this is the end result..... People aren't really digging it. I mean the non-logo part of the design is all right, but the logo itself.... Yeah....
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https://twitter.com/NJDevils/status/1463148457691123719
So...
It's the new New Jersey jersey!
Actually, it's the new New Jersey jersey.
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In fact I'd go so far as to label it the new New Jersey "jersey" jersey. And yeah, pretty much nobody likes them :lol
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It would be great if the band Helmet bought the ad space on the helmets. Also, it’s too bad they don’t have anyone one on the team with the last name Shore with the number 69.
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After losing six straight, we win two in a row both against winning teams.
Grubauer looks 100% better than he did when the season started. I don’t think it will last through the Florida road trip, but at least I feel a bit more like this team is finding their feet moving forward.
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^^ This is how they get you. They just give you some form of hope, when all seems futile, until it gets crushed in some way later down the line. The Kings gave me that hope in that 7 game winning streak and naturally, they have fallen hard in the last five. Sometimes, hope is what we are looking for in our hockey teams and what keeps people around if they are not perceived to be good.
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^^ This is how they get you. They just give you some form of hope, when all seems futile, until it gets crushed in some way later down the line. The Kings gave me that hope in that 7 game winning streak and naturally, they have fallen hard in the last five. Sometimes, hope is what we are looking for in our hockey teams and what keeps people around if they are not perceived to be good.
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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Speaking of helmets, what the fuq was with those mirrors the Kings had on their heads last night? Aye carumba! Nice to see the Leafs offense come alive.
^^ This is how they get you. They just give you some form of hope, when all seems futile, until it gets crushed in some way later down the line. The Kings gave me that hope in that 7 game winning streak and naturally, they have fallen hard in the last five. Sometimes, hope is what we are looking for in our hockey teams and what keeps people around if they are not perceived to be good.
Pretty much. Impressive to beat the Canes, though.
The Canucks and Islanders simply do not look good, and it's gonna be a tough haul for them to get into the playoffs. Calgary is surprisingly excellent - though, I guess it shouldn't really be too surprising with Sutter behind the bench.
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Just checked in on the scoring leader board...Kadri is top five with 25pts? How on earth did that happen?
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Just checked in on the scoring leader board...Kadri is top five with 25pts? How on earth did that happen?
Yeah... I noticed that this morning as well. Likely because MacKinnon has only played 8 games so far this year. He's actually a pretty talented player, just a complete douche-waffle (dare I say even bigger than Marchand :omg:)
Another stat I just noticed, TB only has 6 regular time wins, and leads the league in ties (going 5-3 in OT/SO). I wonder what the split on those ties is where they blew the lead, or came back. Also, Seattle has 6 regular time wins.
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Calgary is surprisingly excellent - though, I guess it shouldn't really be too surprising with Sutter behind the bench.
Was Jakob Markstrom not healthy the last couple of years? I thought he ws on his way to becoming one of the game's best goalies. He's playing great this year. #2 in both GAA and Save%.
And yes, Sutter makes a huge difference.
I guess they were ready to move on from Giordano. Perhaps the chemistry in the room is better without him.
The Flames made the Briuns look like an ECHL team last week.
And I also wanted to say that the Flames have one of my favorite uniforms in the league.
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Clearly, Vancouver made the wrong bet on Demko vs Markstrom.
Flames logo has always been one of the better ones in the league.
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Flames logo has always been one of the better ones in the league.
But it's not just the logo. Think the whole color scheme is awesome.
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Calgary is probably the biggest surprise in the West for me (aside from Kadri's points, that is). Shocked the Flames only have 3 regulation losses. I thought they'd be battling for that 3rd spot in the Pacific, not for first with Vegas and the Oil.
As for Kadri, I would have figured he'd benefit from having MacKinnon in the lineup, not out of it. I know he's got some skill, but not point-a-game skill.
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It’s nice of the Islanders to open up a third home arena for the Rangers. USB Arena will go nicely with MSG and Prudential.
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It’s nice of the Islanders to open up a third home arena for the Rangers. USB Arena will go nicely with MSG andPrudential.
Adorable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CwrW3Sr-EI
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Another frustrating thing about that Kings/Leafs game yesterday, and this is outside of the on-ice stuff, was TNT kept showing Justin Bieber who was at the game any chance they could. I will say this. Biebs and the Leafs make a decent combo since a fair amount of people hate both of them anyway. Who does the Kings have in that end? Well, Snoop Dogg (which I don't think the Kings could actually claim, since I always thought he was a Ducks fan first), B-Real of Cypress Hill (who contributed to the winning ending song for games in The Crypt), and Wolfgang Van Halen.
Michael Buble remains the best of the famous musician hockey fan. I'm sure he and The Hockey Guy (whose friends with Buble) probably have private conversations on how poorly the Canucks have been doing.
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I love the Kings chrome helmet.
the Devils new jersey reminds me of 80's grocery plain wrap. Google it. It was hilarious.
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It’s nice of the Islanders to open up a third home arena for the Rangers. USB Arena will go nicely with MSG andPrudential.
Adorable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CwrW3Sr-EI
That was literally 10 seasons ago.
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It’s nice of the Islanders to open up a third home arena for the Rangers. USB Arena will go nicely with MSG andPrudential.
Adorable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CwrW3Sr-EI
That was literally 10 seasons ago.
Indeed, I just didn't have time to do more research before while cooking. From what a quick search turns up, the Rangers have won 25 out of 46 games since Prudential opened, so a little over 50%, don't think it qualifies as another "home".
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It’s nice of the Islanders to open up a third home arena for the Rangers. USB Arena will go nicely with MSG andPrudential.
Adorable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CwrW3Sr-EI
That was literally 10 seasons ago.
Indeed, I just didn't have time to do more research before while cooking. From what a quick search turns up, the Rangers have won 25 out of 46 games since Prudential opened, so a little over 50%, don't think it qualifies as another "home".
This was also in reference to Rangers fans often outnumbering Devils fans at Prudential. This also happens at Islanders home games against the Rangers, but not quite as much as with the Devils.
EDIT: A fun fact I learned yesterday. The Rangers were the last New York team to win a game at Nassau Coliseum, and were the first New York team to win a game in UBS Arena.
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EDIT: A fun fact I learned yesterday. The Rangers were the last New York team to win a game at Nassau Coliseum, and were the first New York team to win a game in UBS Arena.
Well, the Sabres don't really have a high shot in accomplishing either of those anyway.
Edit: Also, wait a min., Islanders won Game 6 against Bolts at Nassau? That doesn't count? Unless you are referring to regular season games.
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EDIT: A fun fact I learned yesterday. The Rangers were the last New York team to win a game at Nassau Coliseum, and were the first New York team to win a game in UBS Arena.
Well, the Sabres don't really have a high shot in accomplishing either of those anyway.
Edit: Also, wait a min., Islanders won Game 6 against Bolts at Nassau? That doesn't count? Unless you are referring to regular season games.
So what’s funny is, looking more into it, the Rangers lost their last game in Nassau Coliseum, so whoever came up with that fun fact was just being a troll.
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If the Blues could pull their heads out of their asses any time soon, that would be nice. Losing to both the Red Wings and Hawks in the span of a few days is both gross and nauseating.
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If the Blues could pull their heads out of their asses any time soon, that would be nice. Losing to both the Red Wings and Hawks in the span of a few days is both gross and nauseating.
Ouch. Your two most hated franchises! That'd be like losing to the Habs and Bs for me.
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I thought it was funny watch Paranin throw his glove at Marchand, after the Rangers handed the Bruins their ass! Then watching Marchand's indignance....which is quite akin to a pot calling the kettle black!
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Nice bounce back for the Kraken after the shutout last night in TB. I’ll take a split in Florida (and breaking the Panthers 11-0-1 run at home doesn’t hurt).
On to Buffalo!
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Well, the Kings finally got a win on this homestand against the Sens, but that's not the main story I want to highlight here.
Around the 6:00 min. mark of the 3rd, Brady Tkachuk and Brendan Lemieux got into a bit of a scrap and it resulted in Lemieux apparently biting Tkachuk on the hand. He may get suspended over this. I kinda wished he saved some of that enthusiasm when the Kings face the Flames on 12/02 and go after Matthew Tkachuk. The Tkachuk that's more of an annoying bee against the Kings in recent years. It's also Darryl Sutter's first game in The Crypt against the Kings since he was fired from them in 2017. I'm sure he'll be extra motivated (well, internally, not sure if he will express it given his typical demeanor) to rally his team to play really hard.
https://twitter.com/DanyAllstar15/status/1464787584882671619
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Nice bounce back for the Kraken after the shutout last night in TB. I’ll take a split in Florida (and breaking the Panthers 11-0-1 run at home doesn’t hurt).
On to Buffalo!
Not a bad week for the Kracken - beating the Caps, Canes, and ending Florida's home winning streak - all in regular time!
Now watch - they'll get shutout by Buffalo. :lol
Weird hockey yesterday.... 2 goals by Pitt while 6-on-5, but 3 EN goals by Montreal.
Islanders finally get some re-scheduling relief - wonder why it took this long for the league to act?
Matt Murray placed on waivers
Jets finally cool off the Flames. Hellebucyk has looked Hella-bad the last little while.
Lots of games for a Sunday today (6, not including the PPD Isles game).
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Oh boy, busy things are happening on a Sunday.
Evander Kane has been placed on waivers by the Sharks and they are willing to retain half of his cap hit if a trade happens.
Brendan Lemieux will have a on-call hearing about the biting, which would typically lead to suspension. How many games remains to be seen.
Marc Bergevin is no longer GM of the Montreal Canadiens.
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Nice bounce back for the Kraken after the shutout last night in TB. I’ll take a split in Florida (and breaking the Panthers 11-0-1 run at home doesn’t hurt).
On to Buffalo!
Yessir! :metal
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Nice bounce back for the Kraken after the shutout last night in TB. I’ll take a split in Florida (and breaking the Panthers 11-0-1 run at home doesn’t hurt).
On to Buffalo!
Not a bad week for the Kracken - beating the Caps, Canes, and ending Florida's home winning streak - all in regular time!
Now watch - they'll get shutout by Buffalo. :lol
You were saying? :angel: :rollin
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Well, it's official. Brendan Lemieux gets suspended for 5 games for biting Brady Tkachuk, last Saturday. Honestly. It's pretty much what I expected. People wanted 10 games and yeah, that seems fair. The cynic people probably thought 1-3 games since the DOPS is horribly inconsistent. 5 games is a middle ground sort of decision. I don't condone the biting at all.
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Well, it's official. Brendan Lemieux gets suspended for 5 games for biting Brady Tkachuk, last Saturday. Honestly. It's pretty much what I expected. People wanted 10 games and yeah, that seems fair. The cynic people probably thought 1-3 games since the DOPS is horribly inconsistent. 5 games is a middle ground sort of decision. I don't condone the biting at all.
So the sons of Claude Lemieux and Keith Tkachuk are up to dumb shit? I'm shocked. Shocked!! ;)
Nice to see the Wings hang on to beat the B's last night. Getting outshot 2-1 is not a sustainable path to success, but it's nice to see the Wings turning a corner. No quit in this team!
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Nice to see the Wings hang on to beat the B's last night.
It was? :neverusethis:
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Nice to see the Wings hang on to beat the B's last night.
It was? :neverusethis:
Yeah, especially considering the previous matchup the Bruins chased the Wings out of the building by a score of 6-1. :neverusethis:
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For you scorekeepers out there… how short is a power-play have to be for it to still be considered a power-play? If you get a power-play, and then 10 seconds later it becomes a 4 on 4, is that 10 seconds still considered a power play opportunity on the scorecard?
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For you scorekeepers out there… how short is a power-play have to be for it to still be considered a power-play? If you get a power-play, and then 10 seconds later it becomes a 4 on 4, is that 10 seconds still considered a power play opportunity on the scorecard?
Yes, I believe it is.
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For you scorekeepers out there… how short is a power-play have to be for it to still be considered a power-play? If you get a power-play, and then 10 seconds later it becomes a 4 on 4, is that 10 seconds still considered a power play opportunity on the scorecard?
Yes, I believe it is.
Yep. Even if it were only 1 second it would still be a power play.
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For you scorekeepers out there… how short is a power-play have to be for it to still be considered a power-play? If you get a power-play, and then 10 seconds later it becomes a 4 on 4, is that 10 seconds still considered a power play opportunity on the scorecard?
Yes, I believe it is.
Yep. Even if it were only 1 second it would still be a power play.
That does seem a little dumb although I don’t have a solution. You could hypothetically log 4 power plays in a night and not even get 20 seconds of power play time. That would look really crappy on the stat sheet. :lol
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That does seem a little dumb although I don’t have a solution. You could hypothetically log 4 power plays in a night and not even get 20 seconds of power play time. That would look really crappy on the stat sheet. :lol
Don't forget at the end of a 1-goal game when one team gets a penalty when the goalie is pulled. If the team winning gets a penalty, and can then shoot for the empty net without fear of a whistle for icing, scores in the empty netter when it is 4 on 6, they get credit for a short-handed goal. That is a nice way to pad the stats. :lol
Realistically, instances like that probably do not happen often to where over the course of an 82-game season, they won't affect a team's PP or PK numbers much at all.
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I want you all to know that even though I’ve been loosely following the NHL since 1982, I appreciate all of you holding my hand through my first full season as an NHL follower.
Let’s face it, there’s been a lot of rule changes since then anyway. :lol
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What a glorious ass-raping the Leafs handed the Avs last night. Their 3rd string goalie got put in unexpectedly after Kuemper was injured in the morning skate, and the team left him hanging out to dry on at least 4 of the Leafs' goals, while he let in a couple of ones that he should've played better. Matthews with the hattie, and all three goals were nasty - the first was particularly filthy. Check out the highlights if you haven't seen it already.
@ JD... NHL fans are always glad to have "new" ones come into the fold. Nice to see the Kraken looking decent (last nights loss notwithstanding) lately. I mean, they have more regular time wins than Dallas and Tampa - the latter leading the league in "ties"
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I'm actually really impressed with their play since the 6 game losing streak. 2-1-1 on the recent road trip and 4-1-1 in their last 6. And a few of those wins have been against really good teams. But I think a real test is coming tomorrow when we get a rematch with the Oilers at home. The wins against the Canes, Capitols and Panthers on the road prove that we are capable of pulling off a win, and we are certainly playing better now than we were when we went to Edmonton in October.
What I was not expecting is the 3+GAA from Grubauer. I haven't looked at all the stats line by line, but so far Driedger is playing better...but suddenly turned up on the injured list after his last win, so I'm not sure what's going on there.
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Blues season just got even more interesting. Binnington and Faulk out the next (10) days with COVID protocols. 6 games in the next 11 days out your #1 goalie and a defender who has been a beast the last two years. Already down Bozak from COVID and you know there will be more.
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I didn't watch the Kings/Flames game due to recovering from the booster shot. Looking at the stats, once again, the Kings lose a one goal game. 17 of the 22 games has came done to being either tied or the score being within one goal in the last 5 min. and the Kings haven't been winning those battles. Don't think this team is as bad on paper as it seems, but man, it's disheartening to continuously lose these kinds of one-goal games and it brings up all of the what-ifs at seasons-end.
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Man alive can Forsberg (G, Ott) be streaky. 49 SOG by the 'Canes last night, and he looked like a 2-time Vezina winner. He's done the same to Toronto in the past.
Buffalo buffalo'g last night. Up 4-1 half way thru the 2nd, and lose 7-4. :lol
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Blues season just got even more interesting. Binnington and Faulk out the next (10) days with COVID protocols. 6 games in the next 11 days out your #1 goalie and a defender who has been a beast the last two years. Already down Bozak from COVID and you know there will be more.
Yep, should be interesting to see how they do in the next two weeks.
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I didn't watch the Kings/Flames game due to recovering from the booster shot. Looking at the stats, once again, the Kings lose a one goal game. 17 of the 22 games has came done to being either tied or the score being within one goal in the last 5 min. and the Kings haven't been winning those battles. Don't think this team is as bad on paper as it seems, but man, it's disheartening to continuously lose these kinds of one-goal games and it brings up all of the what-ifs at seasons-end.
This game had all the earmarks of the Sutter-era Kings. Obviously, that's not surprising since Darryl Sutter coaches the Flames. Once the Flames went up 3-1, it was over.
The Kings aren't a bad team, but there's so much youth on the roster. They're not there yet, but they're getting there and might be there by the end of the season.
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Apparently the Krakken have yet to win against anyone in the division. This might jinx it, but i don't think that stat will be any different after the Oil roll through tonight.
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Apparently the Krakken have yet to win against anyone in the division. This might jinx it, but i don't think that stat will be any different after the Oil roll through tonight.
My hopes are 50/50. I think I’d be happy if we just made them nervous.
BTW….Kraken Dark Rum + a good root beer = a Kraken Barrel. You’re welcome. :yarr
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(https://i.imgur.com/hToDcz3.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/hToDcz3.jpg)
This is awesome!!!
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WHAT A NERVE WRECKING THIRD PERIOD!!!
I’ll take the win…but I need another drink! :xbones
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Apparently the Krakken have yet to win against anyone in the division. This might jinx it, but i don't think that stat will be any different after the Oil roll through tonight.
you fool... you should've known better than to post this!
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Apparently the Krakken have yet to win against anyone in the division. This might jinx it, but i don't think that stat will be any different after the Oil roll through tonight.
you fool... you should've known better than to post this!
Was bound to happen at some point. If i start believing in that kind of superstition, then i might as well start believing in all of them. Next thing you know I'll be wearing the same underwear every game day, sleeping in my jersey the night before games, and foregoing shaving during playoffs
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Apparently the Krakken have yet to win against anyone in the division. This might jinx it, but i don't think that stat will be any different after the Oil roll through tonight.
you fool... you should've known better than to post this!
Was bound to happen at some point. If i start believing in that kind of superstition, then i might as well start believing in all of them. Next thing you know I'll be wearing the same underwear every game day, sleeping in my jersey the night before games, and foregoing shaving during playoffs
You mean you don't!?!?! I thought this was common practice.
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My nephew is playing in between periods of the B's/Lightning on the garden ice tonight. Earlier today, he got his 1st ever penalty. Lol
(https://i.postimg.cc/1XKt97mK/image000000-3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QKHsmbWB)
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Someone wearing those colors and sitting in the penalty box just seems so right. :P
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:lol
It's blue and gold. Lol
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Close enough!! :biggrin:
Jokes aside, good for him though, seriously. :tup :tup
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He is a hockey nut. My brother's work is done. Lol
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My nephew is playing in between periods of the B's/Lightning on the garden ice tonight. Earlier today, he got his 1st ever penalty. Lol
(https://i.postimg.cc/1XKt97mK/image000000-3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QKHsmbWB)
Looks like he’s indeed feeling shame… ;)
That had to be an awesome experience for him though!
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Bruins,without Marchand and MvAvoy, played their best game of the year last night and lost to the Lightning in OT. I didn't like how Swayman played Stamkos' GWG, but for the first time this season, the Bruins take a point out one of their losses.
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Here's something I don't think we've talked about much this season, but I know we are all keeping an eye on. Alex Ovechkin has made it to 750 goals in his NHL career yesterday.
16 goals away from Jagr. 51 goals away from Howe. 144 away from Gretzky. Ovi started a 5 year deal this season. I think he can do it. I think he can beat Gretzky. Didn't think that last season, due to him not playing a lot due to protocols, etc. and that lockouts and the Covid stoppage definitively put that quest in doubt. Nowadays, I'm leaning more towards I think he can break all-time goal record.
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Sorry wrong thread. :blush
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Sooooo
This Chiefs/Broncos Game is looking ugly early. And it’s my understanding that this is the one that they flexed in in order to remove the Seahawks 49ers game? The one that ended on a dramatic final play? And was infinitely entertaining to watch?
Wouldn't this be more appropriate for the ...um..NFL thread, or should we go there to get our Kraken update?
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Sooooo
This Chiefs/Broncos Game is looking ugly early. And it’s my understanding that this is the one that they flexed in in order to remove the Seahawks 49ers game? The one that ended on a dramatic final play? And was infinitely entertaining to watch?
Wouldn't this be more appropriate for the ...um..NFL thread, or should we go there to get our Kraken update?
^^^^^this all day long^^^
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:facepalm:
Obviously posted in the wrong thread. >:( :censored
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Here's something I don't think we've talked about much this season, but I know we are all keeping an eye on. Alex Ovechkin has made it to 750 goals in his NHL career yesterday.
16 goals away from Jagr. 51 goals away from Howe. 144 away from Gretzky. Ovi started a 5 year deal this season. I think he can do it. I think he can beat Gretzky. Didn't think that last season, due to him not playing a lot due to protocols, etc. and that lockouts and the Covid stoppage definitively put that quest in doubt. Nowadays, I'm leaning more towards I think he can break all-time goal record.
He has a real shot, but it will be a matter of will be how productive he can stay and will he stay healthy. I am sure he will play as long as possible to try and get the record.
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Here's something I don't think we've talked about much this season, but I know we are all keeping an eye on. Alex Ovechkin has made it to 750 goals in his NHL career yesterday.
16 goals away from Jagr. 51 goals away from Howe. 144 away from Gretzky. Ovi started a 5 year deal this season. I think he can do it. I think he can beat Gretzky. Didn't think that last season, due to him not playing a lot due to protocols, etc. and that lockouts and the Covid stoppage definitively put that quest in doubt. Nowadays, I'm leaning more towards I think he can break all-time goal record.
He has a real shot, but it will be a matter of will be how productive he can stay and will he stay healthy. I am sure he will play as long as possible to try and get the record.
This exactly. And how good the rest of the team continues to play. He still needs good players around him to give him the chances to get this kind of goal production. Obviously, if he stays health, and if the team keeps talented players, and if Father Time doesn't take a toll on him, he can do it. Those are 3 big "ifs" though.
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Awards:
Hart - McJesus (Matthews, Barkov)
Art Ross - McJesus (Panarin, Point)
Rocket - Matthews (Debrincat, Rantanen)
Norris - Makar (Hedman, Jones)
Vezina - Vasilevsky (Lehner, Varlamov or Sorokin ... whoever wins the #1 job)
Adams - Colliton (Gallant, Green)
Calder - Caufield (no clue)
Selke - no clue
Man, I really am the kiss of death. At least Gallant is doing well!
Not looking too good on my team standing predictions either (particularly with the Isles, Flyers, Hawks and Canucks). Vigneault has to be the coach next on the hot seat, no? Despite the Isles record (and current 11 game winless streak), I can't see Trotz being in trouble.
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Here's something I don't think we've talked about much this season, but I know we are all keeping an eye on. Alex Ovechkin has made it to 750 goals in his NHL career yesterday.
16 goals away from Jagr. 51 goals away from Howe. 144 away from Gretzky. Ovi started a 5 year deal this season. I think he can do it. I think he can beat Gretzky. Didn't think that last season, due to him not playing a lot due to protocols, etc. and that lockouts and the Covid stoppage definitively put that quest in doubt. Nowadays, I'm leaning more towards I think he can break all-time goal record.
He has a real shot, but it will be a matter of will be how productive he can stay and will he stay healthy. I am sure he will play as long as possible to try and get the record.
This exactly. And how good the rest of the team continues to play. He still needs good players around him to give him the chances to get this kind of goal production. Obviously, if he stays health, and if the team keeps talented players, and if Father Time doesn't take a toll on him, he can do it. Those are 3 big "ifs" though.
Ovi only needed 79 games to go from 700 to 750, which is quite a bit faster than the other guys that scored that many goals. Gordie Howe took 106 games, Gretzky 116, and Jagr 182. Ovi's on pace for 70 goals this season. He'll likely cool off, but still, he can net 50 this year, which is crazy.
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And right on cue, Green and Vingeault are out.
I think Vingeault gets another job quick enough. I'm betting Travis Green is done in the league.
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And the thread title change was hilariously well-timed :rollin
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Well, it started off with the Canucks' coach being fired with the implication that Benning is next. Then Benning got fired, so I had to change the title to reflect that Canucks is going through an organizational shift and now Vingeault is out, and there's only so many characters I can use.
On another note, Bruce Boudreau (Caps, Ducks, Wild) is now the coach for the Canucks. Maybe he can try to inject some heart into that team.
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Boudreau is a great coach. He got shafted with the past few years of the Wild. Clearly, the front office has done a great job at rebuilding that team.
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Here's something I don't think we've talked about much this season, but I know we are all keeping an eye on. Alex Ovechkin has made it to 750 goals in his NHL career yesterday.
16 goals away from Jagr. 51 goals away from Howe. 144 away from Gretzky. Ovi started a 5 year deal this season. I think he can do it. I think he can beat Gretzky. Didn't think that last season, due to him not playing a lot due to protocols, etc. and that lockouts and the Covid stoppage definitively put that quest in doubt. Nowadays, I'm leaning more towards I think he can break all-time goal record.
I'm not sure if I've posted it here or somewhere else, but as of the start of the current season, Ovechkin needed about a goal every other game for about three years to catch Gretzky. In the prior five seasons (16/17 through 20/21), 205 goals in 358 games or .5726 goals per game. With 20 goals in 25 games this season, he's obliterating that pace. However, even at .6 goals per game, he's got a full three seasons before getting to 894. I think he can do it, but he's been remarkably healthy throughout his career and will need to maintain that. If he can stay healthy, I think he gets it.
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Here's something I don't think we've talked about much this season, but I know we are all keeping an eye on. Alex Ovechkin has made it to 750 goals in his NHL career yesterday.
16 goals away from Jagr. 51 goals away from Howe. 144 away from Gretzky. Ovi started a 5 year deal this season. I think he can do it. I think he can beat Gretzky. Didn't think that last season, due to him not playing a lot due to protocols, etc. and that lockouts and the Covid stoppage definitively put that quest in doubt. Nowadays, I'm leaning more towards I think he can break all-time goal record.
I'm not sure if I've posted it here or somewhere else, but as of the start of the current season, Ovechkin needed about a goal every other game for about three years to catch Gretzky. In the prior five seasons (16/17 through 20/21), 205 goals in 358 games or .5726 goals per game. With 20 goals in 25 games this season, he's obliterating that pace. However, even at .6 goals per game, he's got a full three seasons before getting to 894. I think he can do it, but he's been remarkably healthy throughout his career and will need to maintain that. If he can stay healthy, I think he gets it.
I think he'll pull a Jagr, and play some extra seasons into his 40's to get the record if need be, but I imagine he's very motivated to get it in this contract. He'll still score more goals in his 40's than most players in the league. All-world players like that still produce above an average 2nd or 3rd line player until they get bored and call it quits (see Teemu Selane). Would it surprise anyone if a 42 year old Ovi scored 25 goals? Not this guy.
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Can't say I disagree with anything anyone has said on the Ovi >894 topic. Health will be the biggest factor.
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I think he'll pull a Jagr, and play some extra seasons into his 40's to get the record if need be
At the pace he's been scoring, he'll get it before he turns 40.
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Can't say I disagree with anything anyone has said on the Ovi >894 topic. Health will be the biggest factor.
Yep. IF he stays healthy I don't see how he doesn't break it. And to think he's doing this against infinitely more talented goalies with much larger pads than the Great One faced.
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Can't say I disagree with anything anyone has said on the Ovi >894 topic. Health will be the biggest factor.
Yep. IF he stays healthy I don't see how he doesn't break it. And to think he's doing this against infinitely more talented goalies with much larger pads than the Great One faced.
Stick's have evolved too. As well as coaching, techniques, and skills training.
On the flipside (and I mentioned this last month) ... Ken Dryden had something like 198 wins in his first 300 games, while Vasilevsky had 195 - with 42 of them in OT/SO. It's a fools game to try and compare eras. ;)
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It is worth noting as well that Ovechkin has the most OT goals in NHL history, while Gretzky didn't have the luxury of overtime his first few years in the league and then even when OT was instituted, it took years for them to give a point to the loser, meaning teams were more likely to play defensive in OT back then so as not to lose and get nada, so Ovechkin has benefited by playing in an era where you have nothing to lose by going for it in OT. Just a little more perspective.
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Yeah, good point. Just imagine Gretzky, Kurri, and Coffey 3 on 3.
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Yeah, good point. Just imagine Gretzky, Kurri, and Coffey 3 on 3.
It's hilarious to even think about.
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Omg, that’s a great point. Although, to be fair ... it’s only 24 goals
Yeah, good point. Just imagine Gretzky, Kurri, and Coffey 3 on 3.
It's hilarious to even think about.
And for shift #2, Messier, Anderson, and Lowe.
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Omg, that’s a great point. Although, to be fair ... it’s only 24 goals
Yeah, good point. Just imagine Gretzky, Kurri, and Coffey 3 on 3.
It's hilarious to even think about.
And for shift #2, Messier, Anderson, and Lowe.
Ridiculous.
I saw that team in 1988 and they were stacked!
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Early 80s Islanders would have been sick at 3 on 3 as well. Bossy was already a relentless scoring machine.
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after 1992 .... Lemieux, Jagr and Coffey
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after 1992 .... Lemieux, Jagr and Coffey
Followed up by Francis (or Trottier) , Stevens (or Tocchet or Mullen) and Larry Murphy.
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after 1992 .... Lemieux, Jagr and Coffey
Followed up by Francis (or Trottier) , Stevens (or Tocchet or Mullen) and Larry Murphy.
How ‘bout Oates, Neely Borque?
I need to Edit myself ... Coffey left Pitt before Jagr was drafted. Still, put him out with Yzerman and Federov instead :omg:
It’s fun to fantasize about this trio’s.
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It’s fun to fantasize about this trio’s.
:zydarscouch:
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Fantasizing about threesomes....back in 10. :P :lol
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Fantasizing about threesomes....back in 10. :P :lol
Who needs 10? :lol
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Well…this got really ugly really fast.
3-0 in less than 6 minutes. Grubauer got pulled. The 2nd in line is injured. That means we’ve got a kid in there who just got called up from the farm league IIRC.
EDIT - I just double checked and he’s not a kid. But he has played more minor-league hockey than NHL. He’s played a few games for the Ottawa Senators, but not much else. He’s only clocked one win
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Boudreau is a great coach.
Well, he sucked donkey balls on the NHL network as a studio analyst.
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Hot take.
I think that if a goalie successfully makes the save…but then it bounces off his own defenseman’s skate and goes back in, he should still get credit for a save. But I suppose that would screw up the SOG vs GA stats. :'(
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F***!!!!!!!!
That is all from this mad Kings fan this evening.
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F***!!!!!!!!
That is all from this mad Kings fan this evening.
The team is consistently inconsistent. Great game against Edmonton (even without the 3 major PPGs) and then shit the bed against the #8 team in the division. I feel like we're going to suffer with Pedersen as the faux heir-apparent to Quick. Then we'll get frustrated and trade him and hope Quick can hang on for another year or two (I'd say that Pedersen will then play well in his new home, but where's Jonathan Bernier these days?). Hopefully, there's someone a lot better than Pedersen in Ontario who can take over when Quick is done.
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If memory serves me right, Jonathan Bernier is in....., I want to say Detroit, but I remember Yzerman traded him to the Hurricanes before Free Agency.
Edit: Looked up the answer, he's with the Devils.
On that note, I understand it's insanely impossible to find another goalie that has the talent and the intangibles of peak Quick and I'm starting to think Petersen may not be it, but I would like to think even though he's not off to a great start this season, he's going to give the team a good 3 years until they can find someone they can commit to like they did with Quick.
We mentioned before how bad the goalies the Kings had before Quick. Here's the goalies that came and gone in 2010s to my recollection. Out of the bunch, I say only one of them was really bad. That's a good track record.
Bernier, Ben Scrivens, Martin Jones (and he was really good before he became really bad), Jeff Zatkoff (really didn't like him), Peter Budaj (really hated Lombardi trading him when he was the key goalie that was giving us some hope in 2017 when Quick was injured and then the hope was extinguished), Darcy Kuemper, and Jack Campbell (well done, Leafs. You got a good one. I would say we backed the wrong horse, but I will reserve saying that until the Leafs resign Campbell).
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Ouch, Rangers.
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Ouch, Rangers.
They were gonna have a bad game eventually. Starting their third goalie certainly didn’t help. Hopefully Shesterkin is healthy soon. The Rangers just play with more confidence when he’s in net.
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On that note, I understand it's insanely impossible to find another goalie that has the talent and the intangibles of peak Quick and I'm starting to think Petersen may not be it, but I would like to think even though he's not off to a great start this season, he's going to give the team a good 3 years until they can find someone they can commit to like they did with Quick.
The highlighted is the most important thing here, and it's absolutely true. Not saying it's easy, but Pedersen is giving me flashbacks to the era of guys like Cristobal Huet, Roman Cechmanek, Mathieu Garon, Jason LaBarbera, Dan Cloutier and Yutaka Fukufuji.
Here's the goalies that came and gone in 2010s to my recollection. Out of the bunch, I say only one of them was really bad. That's a good track record.
Bernier, Ben Scrivens, Martin Jones (and he was really good before he became really bad), Jeff Zatkoff (really didn't like him), Peter Budaj (really hated Lombardi trading him when he was the key goalie that was giving us some hope in 2017 when Quick was injured and then the hope was extinguished), Darcy Kuemper, and Jack Campbell (well done, Leafs. You got a good one. I would say we backed the wrong horse, but I will reserve saying that until the Leafs resign Campbell).
I wouldn't even include Zatkoff. He was a guy who got a LOT of run on letsgokings.com as a possible challenger for the job. However, once Quick emerged as a dominant goalie, he became an afterthought. He never actually played for the Kings before signing an FA deal with Pittsburgh, where he spent three seasons as a backup. He came back to the Kings the season that Quick missed most of because of injuries but only played 13 games before being sent down and eventually traded. Dude only played 48 NHL games in total. Scrivens and Jones had solid tenures as backups and fill-ins, and I agree that the Kings seem to have made the wrong choice between Campbell and Pedersen.
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the Kings seem to have made the wrong choice between Campbell and Pedersen.
Here's at least one GM decision that Dubas did the fleecing, instead of being the fleeced.
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Beating the Red Wings will never not be highly enjoyable. I hate that franchise and every single one of their fans. :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Love you too, Kev.
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Haha. :tup :tup
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Any Stars fans here?
In the first verse of the National Anthem, "star(s)" appears twice, and Stars fans shout those words. It is SO FUCKING OBNOXIOUS. Fortunately, the good Kings team showed up last night and shut them the hell up with a dominant 4-0 win (2 ENGs, but the game was never close). I really wish THIS Kings team would show up more regularly.
Beating the Red Wings will never not be highly enjoyable. I hate that franchise and every single one of their fans. :biggrin: :biggrin:
Me from 20 years ago would have agreed. A Wings fan hit me with with an octopus that he was too weak-armed to get on the ice at game 4 of the 2000 first round playoff series. I didn't really like the Wings at that point, but that sent me over the edge. The Wings not being particularly good over the past decade has softened my dislike quite a bit.
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Any Stars fans here?
In the first verse of the National Anthem, "star(s)" appears twice, and Stars fans shout those words. It is SO FUCKING OBNOXIOUS.
Jets fans have been doing this with the canadian national anthem since their return to the league. The ownership group that brought them back is called True North Sports, so they shout True North for the "true north strong and free" line in our anthem. Also fucking obnoxious. So add another reason to hate the Stars fans, since they appear to just be copying the Jets fans.
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Any Stars fans here?
In the first verse of the National Anthem, "star(s)" appears twice, and Stars fans shout those words. It is SO FUCKING OBNOXIOUS.
Jets fans have been doing this with the canadian national anthem since their return to the league. The ownership group that brought them back is called True North Sports, so they shout True North for the "true north strong and free" line in our anthem. Also fucking obnoxious. So add another reason to hate the Stars fans, since they appear to just be copying the Jets fans.
Except the Jets have only been back since 2011, and Stars fans have been doing it long before that (of course, I'm assuming the original Jets fans weren't doing it before the team moved to Phoenix). That said, calling out the name of the ownership group seems a lot more obnoxious.
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Beating the Red Wings will never not be highly enjoyable. I hate that franchise and every single one of their fans. :biggrin: :biggrin:
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-18-2015/BHemdf.gif)
;D ;D ;D
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That's just cruel.
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That's just cruel.
Only because I couldn't find a gif from the 2002 Western Conference Semis when Chris Pronger went in to try and injure Steve Yzerman and instead blew his own knee out to the point where he was unable to play all but 5 games of the 2003 season. :rollin
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Any Stars fans here?
In the first verse of the National Anthem, "star(s)" appears twice, and Stars fans shout those words. It is SO FUCKING OBNOXIOUS.
Jets fans have been doing this with the canadian national anthem since their return to the league. The ownership group that brought them back is called True North Sports, so they shout True North for the "true north strong and free" line in our anthem. Also fucking obnoxious. So add another reason to hate the Stars fans, since they appear to just be copying the Jets fans.
Except the Jets have only been back since 2011, and Stars fans have been doing it long before that (of course, I'm assuming the original Jets fans weren't doing it before the team moved to Phoenix). That said, calling out the name of the ownership group seems a lot more obnoxious.
At no point did I suggest the Jets fans were less obnoxious. In fact, I'd go so far as to say I wholeheartedly agree with you.
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Any Stars fans here?
In the first verse of the National Anthem, "star(s)" appears twice, and Stars fans shout those words. It is SO FUCKING OBNOXIOUS.
Jets fans have been doing this with the canadian national anthem since their return to the league. The ownership group that brought them back is called True North Sports, so they shout True North for the "true north strong and free" line in our anthem. Also fucking obnoxious. So add another reason to hate the Stars fans, since they appear to just be copying the Jets fans.
Except the Jets have only been back since 2011, and Stars fans have been doing it long before that (of course, I'm assuming the original Jets fans weren't doing it before the team moved to Phoenix). That said, calling out the name of the ownership group seems a lot more obnoxious.
There’s also “and the home of the BLUES”.
But the worst is the my fellow Rangers fans. At some point during the “rockets red glare” part, someone always shouts “LET’S GO RANGERS” and the crowd cheers over the anthem. Now I’m not a person who cares about the anthem, I have my opinions which I’ll keep to myself since this isn’t PR, but at least be creative instead of just shouting over the damn thing with something that has nothing to do with the song.
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I used to go to minor league hockey games in Spokane WA in the early 90s. There was always a section (the rowdy section right next to the penalty boxes) where the entire section would add the “cymbal crashes” by making a loud “CHHHHH” sound.
“And the rockets red glaaaare” [CHHHHHH] “The bombs bursting in aiiiiirrrrr” [CHHHHH]
Some people were very annoyed by that, but they weren’t going to pick a fight with the entire section.
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The Yzerman play doesn't bug me anymore. I have always recognized it as an awesome shot by an all-time great player, and now that the Blues have a Cup, the sting of that isn't nearly as severe. That doesn't mean I hate the Red Wings any less, but those many playoff losses were all washed away in 2019. :hat :hat
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The Yzerman play doesn't bug me anymore. I have always recognized it as an awesome shot by an all-time great player, and now that the Blues have a Cup, the sting of that isn't nearly as severe. That doesn't mean I hate the Red Wings any less, but those many playoff losses were all washed away in 2019. :hat :hat
Same. Remarkable shot…..and, if not for the amazing game that John Casey plays, especially in the first period……that never happens. Blues had multiple chances to win that game before that…..Glenn Anderson in particular blew three great chances himself…..but it just wasn’t meant to be. I love also how a weak stick and attempt by Gretzky led to that. Brutal turnover that he’s been given a pass for committing for years.
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I don't know. Gary Thorne saying "Gretzky had it, lost it. Yzerman picks it up," commentary to me was one of the more memorable things he has ever said which helps keeps the fact that Gretzky flubbed it in that brief moment memorable.
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The Yzerman play doesn't bug me anymore. I have always recognized it as an awesome shot by an all-time great player, and now that the Blues have a Cup, the sting of that isn't nearly as severe. That doesn't mean I hate the Red Wings any less, but those many playoff losses were all washed away in 2019. :hat :hat
Man, I was rooting hard for the Blues in 2019. It seemed like they finally got all of the pieces together for a Cup run, and I was especially rooting for them after discovering the Laila Anderson story. I thought her connection to players like Colton Parayko was really awesome, and I wanted them to win it for her, you know?
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As soon as I heard she was coming to Boston for Game 7, I knew the Bruins were going to lose.
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The Yzerman play doesn't bug me anymore. I have always recognized it as an awesome shot by an all-time great player, and now that the Blues have a Cup, the sting of that isn't nearly as severe. That doesn't mean I hate the Red Wings any less, but those many playoff losses were all washed away in 2019. :hat :hat
Man, I was rooting hard for the Blues in 2019. It seemed like they finally got all of the pieces together for a Cup run, and I was especially rooting for them after discovering the Laila Anderson story. I thought her connection to players like Colton Parayko was really awesome, and I wanted them to win it for her, you know?
I guess, but while that was a cool story, I wanted them to win it for themselves and (selfishly) for us long-suffering fans more than anything. For those of us who had agonized over crushing playoff losses for decades, it was cathartic to finally have the sports gods on our side.
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The Yzerman play doesn't bug me anymore. I have always recognized it as an awesome shot by an all-time great player, and now that the Blues have a Cup, the sting of that isn't nearly as severe. That doesn't mean I hate the Red Wings any less, but those many playoff losses were all washed away in 2019. :hat :hat
Man, I was rooting hard for the Blues in 2019. It seemed like they finally got all of the pieces together for a Cup run, and I was especially rooting for them after discovering the Laila Anderson story. I thought her connection to players like Colton Parayko was really awesome, and I wanted them to win it for her, you know?
I guess, but while that was a cool story, I wanted them to win it for themselves and (selfishly) for us long-suffering fans more than anything. For those of us who had agonized over crushing playoff losses for decades, it was cathartic to finally have the sports gods on our side.
Seeing teams like the Blues, Capitals, Saints, and Cubs win after years of coming up short serves as a constant reminder to never give up on my favorite teams.
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Bruins in Calgary tonight. Getting to see the Flames' gorgeous home unis.
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I AM HAVING SO MUCH FUN!!!!
The Kraken were down 4-1 at the end of two, and I almost shut it off.
With 3 minutes to play, I’m now looking at a tie game.
KRAKHEAD4LIFE!!!!!
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand we lost. :loser:
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand we lost. :loser:
Heart breaking. Eventually, you'll find ways to enjoy the one point earned to get it to OT
Leafs were on the other side of that coin last night ... up 4-1, and Chicago tied it up. With 1:20 left, a very fortuitous bound off the stanchions on a dump in left a wide open cage for them to get the game-winner.
Sens shutting out the Bolts, and Tkachuck with his first career hattie! If only the Bruins would've lost, it would've been a great night all around! :biggrin:
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The one point does mean something. And the teams got a lot of spirit. The only big disappointment has been Grubauer. This was literally the guy that we were trying to build our team around. We started our franchise by getting a few good defenseman and the best goalie that was on the market.
But I think they announced last night that we’ve given up the first goal in almost 80% of our games. Most of the time were even out shooting our opponents. But we are just giving up goals left and right. I think Grubauer might end up losing his #1 starter job.
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With any luck, it’ll be like the Bobs situation in FLA - sign a big contract, suck ass in your first year of it, then return to form.
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This was literally the guy that we were trying to build our team around.
There's Seattle's first problem right there. I wouldn't call Grubauer the kind of piece you build a team around. Or any goalie, for that matter. Grubauer is certainly a serviceable tender, but he's basically a career backup. If he's your ace in the hole you're already done for.
Speaking of done for, the Oil are in the midst of a 5 game losing streak that's seen them drop to 4th in the division. Finally got Nurse back, but the defense is still questionable. And worse, the big guns aren't scoring right now either (Draisaitl's 2 goals Thursday notwithstanding).
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This was literally the guy that we were trying to build our team around.
There's Seattle's first problem right there. I wouldn't call Grubauer the kind of piece you build a team around. Or any goalie, for that matter. Grubauer is certainly a serviceable tender, but he's basically a career backup. If he's your ace in the hole you're already done for.
Well, I’ve only been loosely following hockey until this year, but what we were told from the organization and the press was that Grubauer was absolutely an elite goaltender and that we will be building our team around defense. Before the season even started we were told not to expect a lot of scoring. We were expecting to win a lot of 2-1 type of games.
But so far (the last two games not withstanding) we’ve shown ourselves to be a fairly average offense of team with lots of scoring opportunities, but completely incapable of stopping the other team on the defensive end. So obviously, our original game plan is not what is transpiring on the ice.
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I'm about 20 hours late, but I have to give the Kings kudos for beating Minnesota last night in what had to be the most dominating 2-1 win I've ever seen. Minnesota scored first, but the Kings tied it up fairly quickly and then went into a mode where they could have beaten pretty well anyone. They were so strong on the puck, and I never felt like Minnesota had a chance the rest of the way. And Jonathan Quick again looked like his 2012 self. That probably means we get our asses kicked in the next game, but I hope to see a lot more of what I saw last night.
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The next four games ain't going to be pretty. The Bolts, the Panthers, the Jerks, and the Caps in this road trip. I think it would be a good trip if they somehow win two of those games if they played up to how they did in the last two games.
Edit: On another note, the Canucks are somehow 4-0 since switching to Bruce Boudreau as head coach??? I mean I know that Boudreau had a reputation of being a solid enough coach. I just didn't think he was able to get early solid success right away.
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The next four games ain't going to be pretty. The Bolts, the Panthers, the Jerks, and the Caps in this road trip. I think it would be a good trip if they somehow win two of those games if they played up to how they did in the last two games.
The Hurricanes are "the Jerks"? I literally had to check the schedule to see to whom you were referring.
But yeah...a rather brutal roadie, and 4 points wouldn't be a bad result.
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Yep. The Hurricanes are the Jerks as in the Bunch of Jerks. It's just easier for me to type that rather than Hurricanes or Canes.
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Yep. The Hurricanes are the Jerks as in the Bunch of Jerks. It's just easier for me to type that rather than Hurricanes or Canes.
Why don't you like them? As a Kings fan, I don't really harbor any enmity for any Eastern Conference team.
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Me calling them Jerks is just all for fun. I actually don't mind them and was rooting them in 2019 when Justin Williams was their captain. This is like the only thing that involved Don Cherry that I like when he called them a Bunch of Jerks and they ran away with that.
They even had a t-shirt that says Bunch of Jerks. I also enjoy their Tweets from their account at times.
(https://tshirtclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Carolina-Hurricanes-Bunch-Of-Jerks-Guys-Tee.jpg)
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Aaaahhhh...gotcha. :tup
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Here's why they're a bunch of jerks - https://youtu.be/slyjyilk4uw?t=271.
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Here's why they're a bunch of jerks - https://youtu.be/slyjyilk4uw?t=271.
I'm glad Grapes has been put out to pasture.
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Here's why they're a bunch of jerks - https://youtu.be/slyjyilk4uw?t=271.
I'm glad Grapes has been put out to pasture.
Couldn't agree more.
"Young men expressing themselves....(inaudible mumbling)...you don't do that...(more mumbling)...jerks!"
At least he's not calling them a bunch of pukes for having fun.
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Here's why they're a bunch of jerks - https://youtu.be/slyjyilk4uw?t=271.
I'm glad Grapes has been put out to pasture.
Same. In his heyday, he was entertaining and insightful as anyone. But the last 4-5 years, the decline was palpable - at least in his hockey perspectives. I got right fucking fed up with his insistence that players should NEVER put their stick out to block a shot because every minor deflection causes a goal, and the goalie will always stop 100% of shots outside of the hash-marks. What a pantload. For the (relatively) small number of shots a goalie would have had if not for a slight deflection, vs the hundreds that never got close to the net, it was (one of) the fucking dumbest argument he routinely made.
I'll admit, I was kinda bummed when he got axed, but I haven't missed him at all, nor have I sought out a single one of his podcasts. He's just an old coot yelling at air.
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Here's why they're a bunch of jerks - https://youtu.be/slyjyilk4uw?t=271.
I'm glad Grapes has been put out to pasture.
Couldn't agree more.
"Young men expressing themselves....(inaudible mumbling)...you don't do that...(more mumbling)...jerks!"
At least he's not calling them a bunch of pukes for having fun.
I concur. Typing the Pukes rather than the Jerks just doesn't have the same zip.
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Things are getting a bit ugly right now. A lot of players have entered COVID protocol in the last few days. On top of that, it's been documented that apparently if you test positive for COVID in China during the Olympics, you could be stuck there for around 3-5 weeks at worst without NHL pay?
Bettman's stance has always been no NHL players at Olympics, but he relented in this case to make sure that this current CBA was done as that was the one thing the players wanted before agreeing with the terms of the CBA. They want to be at the Olympics. Bettman is probably hoping that these players would think about the risks and not risk it going as it could lead to something even uglier down the line.
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This 3-5 week quarantine thing is going to kibosh NHL players in the Olympics. I simply don't see it happening. Bring back the World Cup of Hockey. I don't give a rats ass what the timing or format is, I simply want to see a global best-on-best tourney.
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This 3-5 week quarantine thing is going to kibosh NHL players in the Olympics. I simply don't see it happening. Bring back the World Cup of Hockey. I don't give a rats ass what the timing or format is, I simply want to see a global best-on-best tourney.
Bingo.
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Blues have really held it together well since losing Binnington and Faulk for two weeks, and just got Faulk back and won a big game in Dallas tonight. The season could have gone off the rails in the first half of December, but it has gone the opposite way. If this team can stay healthy (by hockey standards) and not getting ravaged too much by COVID, they will be a force again come playoff time.
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I wish i could say the same for the Oilers, who've definitely fallen off the rails. 6 game losing streak, and I'm pretty sure they've given up the first goal in each one. Or first 3, like tonight's game.
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Blues have really held it together well since losing Binnington and Faulk for two weeks, and just got Faulk back and won a big game in Dallas tonight. The season could have gone off the rails in the first half of December, but it has gone the opposite way. If this team can stay healthy (by hockey standards) and not getting ravaged too much by COVID, they will be a force again come playoff time.
Binnington then our backup Husso….we e been using AHL goalies for a week now. Plus Schenn, Kyrou, Bozak, Perron are out or we’re all out at one point. Just ravaged by Covid and injuries yet have continued to win games. It’s a testament to Berube and our depth for sure.
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Almost pulled off a shutout. But Drieger looked amazing tonight against the Sharks.
I wonder if this seals the deal for Drieger over Grubauer? Drieger has won 3 straight games and an over .900 in saves. Gru OTOH has really struggled.
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Thanks for beating the Sharks. I just say that in general. Didn't catch the Kings/Bolts game. At least, they lost in OT rather than get smoked. Had a lead twice and lost it both, but great teams find ways to win from behind, so here we are.
On another note, this Pacific Division has gotten a bit more interesting compared to the start of the season. Ducks are on top. Oilers are on the downhill at the moment. Canucks are making it interesting with 5 wins in a row. Golden Knights are still in it despite trading for Eichel and can't play him for a few months. Flames is playing Darryl Sutter hockey very well for the most part. Kings are ebbing and flowing and if they catch a hot streak, can't count them out yet. Sharks aren't as garbage even though their stars are on the aging side of things.
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I wish i could say the same for the Oilers, who've definitely fallen off the rails. 6 game losing streak, and I'm pretty sure they've given up the first goal in each one. Or first 3, like tonight's game.
The TSN coverage said so, and in four of them, they fell down 2-0. They look really bad right now. Can't even blame it on the defense/goaltending - when the team is only putting 1 or 2 in the basket themselves. Shut down McJesus/Draisaitl, and you shut down the Oilers.
It was nice (for me) to see the Leafs get back on track with their D-game after having given up 22 goals in the last 5 games. Leafs first to get to 20 wins, though they also lead the league in overall games played.
Dear god does Montreal look bad, and wth Ottawa. Pounding both Florida teams by an aggregate of 12-2. :omg:
I agree... the Pacific has been far more more interesting than I think anyone expected.
@ Kev/Gary... lookin forward to the Blues/Leafs game next week. The 'next generation' games are always a blast.
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@ Kev/Gary... lookin forward to the Blues/Leafs game next week. The 'next generation' games are always a blast.
That's all our games have been recently and it's been fun to watch. Those call ups are doing really well....happy for them for sure. There's a couple players making a case to stay put. But I know that consistency is the issue for the young kids and while they've been playing well this stretch of games it's the old question of can they sustain it? Being a 'pro' hockey player is as much how you handle the day to day preparation and mental approach as it is talent. There are countless talented players who are not playing on any professional level right now because they couldn't figure out how to truly become a pro.
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:lol :lol Not exactly what I meant ...
Every year, the game before the Christmas is an afternoon affair, and there's a ton of promotion around attracting the "next generation" of fans. It's all about kids. Season ticket holders often donate their seats; the broadcast team uses this 13-ish year old girl to do the in-rink reporting; the arena has a kid do some of the announcements. They get kids in ref outfits to take the pre-drop skate. It's a whole 'thing' and event all day long. Here's a one-minute highlight - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-nlPupZEgE
The last one was in 2019, and the Leafs won 8-6 against the 'Canes... it was an amazing and exciting game to watch. Leafs were up 3-0 after the first 5 minutes; gave up the next 5 goals, then scored three in about a minute in the third to cap off the victory. Here's the Game-in-5 package - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roEYMvo61SY. it's worth it.
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:lol :lol Not exactly what I meant ...
Every year, the game before the Christmas is an afternoon affair, and there's a ton of promotion around attracting the "next generation" of fans. It's all about kids. Season ticket holders often donate their seats; the broadcast team uses this 13-ish year old girl to do the in-rink reporting; the arena has a kid do some of the announcements. They get kids in ref outfits to take the pre-drop skate. It's a whole 'thing' and event all day long. Here's a one-minute highlight - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-nlPupZEgE
The last one was in 2019, and the Leafs won 8-6 against the 'Canes... it was an amazing and exciting game to watch. Leafs were up 3-0 after the first 5 minutes; gave up the next 5 goals, then scored three in about a minute in the third to cap off the victory. Here's the Game-in-5 package - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roEYMvo61SY. it's worth it.
Oh? :lol I thought perhaps the Leafs were as ravaged by covid and injuries as the Blues are. Yet...somehow....the Blues are two points out of first and only 5 off of the best point total in the NHL. It's been an odd few weeks watching them but these young 'no namers' are just doing their best 'next man up' impression and winning games.
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Thanks for beating the Sharks. I just say that in general. Didn't catch the Kings/Bolts game. At least, they lost in OT rather than get smoked. Had a lead twice and lost it both, but great teams find ways to win from behind, so here we are.
I got home from work after it was over but didn't know the score, so I turned on the replay. Unfortunately, they "skipped ahead due to time constraints" and didn't show both Kings goals! Regardless, the Kings played very well and definitely deserved the point. The OT period was very exciting, but the Kings got burned on a second 3-on-1 in the span of about 90 seconds.
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:lol :lol Not exactly what I meant ...
Every year, the game before the Christmas is an afternoon affair, and there's a ton of promotion around attracting the "next generation" of fans. It's all about kids. Season ticket holders often donate their seats; the broadcast team uses this 13-ish year old girl to do the in-rink reporting; the arena has a kid do some of the announcements. They get kids in ref outfits to take the pre-drop skate. It's a whole 'thing' and event all day long. Here's a one-minute highlight - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-nlPupZEgE
That's super cool.
The Kings, on the other hand, had Snoop Dog night last week. He introduced the starting lineups (and mispronounced at least one player's name). He also was on mic for about half the first period. Not only was he an idiot, but Alex Faust (PBP) and Jim Fox spent about half of that time verbally jerking Snoop off. Utterly embarrassing stuff.
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Honestly, regarding Snoop Dogg (I personally don't mind him. The team knew what they are getting to get when you involve him in any part of the broadcasting. Lots of ramblings and probably some pot references, etc.), the Chrome helmets, Staples becoming Crypto.com Arena, and this team having ups and downs so far, it's not really all sunshine right now. I just want this team to play up to what they can be more consistently. I can ignore all of the external marketing factors if that happens.
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:lol :lol Not exactly what I meant ...
Every year, the game before the Christmas is an afternoon affair, and there's a ton of promotion around attracting the "next generation" of fans. It's all about kids. Season ticket holders often donate their seats; the broadcast team uses this 13-ish year old girl to do the in-rink reporting; the arena has a kid do some of the announcements. They get kids in ref outfits to take the pre-drop skate. It's a whole 'thing' and event all day long. Here's a one-minute highlight - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-nlPupZEgE
That's super cool.
The Kings, on the other hand, had Snoop Dog night last week. He introduced the starting lineups (and mispronounced at least one player's name). He also was on mic for about half the first period. Not only was he an idiot, but Alex Faust (PBP) and Jim Fox spent about half of that time verbally jerking Snoop off. Utterly embarrassing stuff.
I don't suggest getting EA Sports NHL 20 then. For some reason, they brought Snoop Dogg in for that, and it is the same kind of thing. He comes in for commentary in the 2nd period in random games, and the play by play guy is more or less gargling Snoop's nuts. It's ridiculous.
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This honestly speaks more of how bad the NHL is at marketing if they are resorting to Snoop Dogg to get some attention. I'm not dissing Snoop's credibility as a hockey fan. He's probably a fan of like 4-5 teams for various reasons, but the league has major marketing issues if they are thinking to bring him in to bring more eyeballs in in some ways.
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Blues have really held it together well since losing Binnington and Faulk for two weeks, and just got Faulk back and won a big game in Dallas tonight. The season could have gone off the rails in the first half of December, but it has gone the opposite way. If this team can stay healthy (by hockey standards) and not getting ravaged too much by COVID, they will be a force again come playoff time.
Binnington then our backup Husso….we e been using AHL goalies for a week now. Plus Schenn, Kyrou, Bozak, Perron are out or we’re all out at one point. Just ravaged by Covid and injuries yet have continued to win games. It’s a testament to Berube and our depth for sure.
Absolutely. This team is a really fun one to root for right now. :hat :hat
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Word is Flames are gonna be on the shelf until after Christmas.
Preds are dangerously close to having to suspend games as well.
It's gonna get bad.
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Latest report i saw was 27 Flames players and staff treated positive. Makes the Vancouver outbreak last season look mild
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:lol :lol Not exactly what I meant ...
Every year, the game before the Christmas is an afternoon affair, and there's a ton of promotion around attracting the "next generation" of fans. It's all about kids. Season ticket holders often donate their seats; the broadcast team uses this 13-ish year old girl to do the in-rink reporting; the arena has a kid do some of the announcements. They get kids in ref outfits to take the pre-drop skate. It's a whole 'thing' and event all day long. Here's a one-minute highlight - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-nlPupZEgE
That's super cool.
The Kings, on the other hand, had Snoop Dog night last week. He introduced the starting lineups (and mispronounced at least one player's name). He also was on mic for about half the first period. Not only was he an idiot, but Alex Faust (PBP) and Jim Fox spent about half of that time verbally jerking Snoop off. Utterly embarrassing stuff.
I don't suggest getting EA Sports NHL 20 then. For some reason, they brought Snoop Dogg in for that, and it is the same kind of thing. He comes in for commentary in the 2nd period in random games, and the play by play guy is more or less gargling Snoop's nuts. It's ridiculous.
No worries there. The most recent video game system I have is a PS3. Even if the game is available for PS3, I've never played a hockey video game I've actually liked. For me, it has always devolved into button spamming and getting into fights because that's more fun than the actual game. But pretty much all of the marketing that the NHL and the Kings do (at least what I see in SoCal) is dumb AF (and I probably can't comment too much because a lot of it would belong on the political board).
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3 more cases in Calgary - 2 players; 1 staff. That makes 18 players.
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3 more cases in Calgary - 2 players; 1 staff. That makes 18 players.
Oof.
All these teams are 100% vaccinated also. So they've done what was asked.
I know the recent covid bug that hit the Blues most of the players have said their symptoms were non existent.....and their first games back looked like they hadn't missed a beat. Goes kind of in lock step from what is being found out/reported that the vaccinated are really the 'group' that are spreading covid like wild fire.
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Yup. Omicron is a bitch. Been reading up a little on it now, considering what's going on here in Ontario.
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Well, Doughty is in the protocol list. The Kings Defensemen is already pretty darn thin as it is when it comes to reliability. Edler is out for a long while. Doughty is on protocol. Going to be interesting how today's game against the Panthers are. They have a lot a fair amount of their main guys on the protocol list as well.
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No fans allowed in Montreal for the Habs/Flyers game? WTF??
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Quebec is going hard when it comes to restrictions I think in the Canadian provinces. In Ontario, they are just cutting capacity in half for Leafs, Raptors, and Sens games.
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No fans allowed in Montreal for the Habs/Flyers game? WTF??
Canada is about to get hit with a 5th wave of covid, so many jurisdictions are implementing new measures to try to slow down Omicron. Mind you, I live in the Texas of the north, known locally as 'Berta, so we're doing the opposite. But I digress...
I'm definitely starting to think the Olympics aren't going to happen vis a vis NHL players in attendance. I'm sure the IOC is hoping and praying for Jan 10th to come and go without a peep.
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No fans allowed in Montreal for the Habs/Flyers game? WTF??
Canada is about to get hit with a 5th wave of covid, so many jurisdictions are implementing new measures to try to slow down Omicron. Mind you, I live in the Texas of the north, known locally as 'Berta, so we're doing the opposite. But I digress...
I'm definitely starting to think the Olympics aren't going to happen vis a vis NHL players in attendance. I'm sure the IOC is hoping and praying for Jan 10th to come and go without a peep.
I think there's a precisely zero percent chance of NHL players going. I'm also beginning to think there's a possibility the Olympics might not happen at all.
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I'm also beginning to think there's a possibility the Olympics might not happen at all.
Considering it's China we're talking about I expect the Olympics to go ahead, perhaps without spectators as there are many disciplines that won't be affected by the lack of them too much.
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I doubt the players go to the Olympics this year. China mandates a 5 week quarantine if you test positive.
https://news.yahoo.com/detroit-red-wings-dylan-larkin-210748695.html (https://news.yahoo.com/detroit-red-wings-dylan-larkin-210748695.html)
I don't think NHL owners would be happy about a player testing positive over there and missing a month of the season. I don't think the players would be happy about that either.
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Considering they don't get paid for games missed due to that, yeah...
Also, Paul Maurice resigns this morning. :omg:
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More and more, I feel like we just time-warped to March 2020 (not just because of the below, but Omicron in general).
Leafs cancelled today's practice - Tavares and Kerfoot are in COVID protocol
Montreal/Boston postponed - 7 Bs in COVID protocol
Friedman just reported that Calgary, Colorado, and Florida will likely announce their games will be suspended thru Christmas.
Welp
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Spezza and Simmonds in Cov-protocol last night. I'd lay a C-note down that more come test positive this morning/afternoon, and the Leafs games will be the next team shut down.
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Red Wings have 3 more players and 2 coaches going into covid protocol:
https://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2021/12/18/22843701/several-red-wings-players-coaches-enter-nhl-covid-19-protocol
They had their Monday game against the Avs canceled due to the Avs being hit hard by covid. I wish the league would just shut down until after the first of the year to get a handle on this.
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Next two games for BOTH the Leafs and Canucks are postponed.
One step closer to a league wide shutdown. Wouldn’t be surprised to see that happen early in the week, and it last until January.
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Bruins are shut down through Christmas.
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Yep, the odds of NHL players being at the Olympics are lower than zero at the rate this is going.
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Yep, the odds of NHL players being at the Olympics are lower than zero at the rate this is going.
They're going to need to reschedule games lost here during that break. No idea what their plan is.
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Rescheduling games is tough because you have to plan it around other events that’s already scheduled at the various venues.
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And it's official. No NHL players in the Olympics.
https://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/opinion/2021/12/21/nhl-pulling-out-of-beijing-olympics-nobody-can-be-blamed-but-something-important-is-likely-lost-forever.html
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At least, the main reason why they didn't go had nothing to do with the owners and the players having huge disagreements on whether or not the players should be sent. We can't even blame Bettman for this and he's the easy punching bag for stuff like this. That's what really makes me mad. Can't even blame Bettman.
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Wooo. Games are back. I guess. Three games today. Kings are playing their first game back at the newly named Crypto.com Arena against the Golden Kngihts. Alex Turcotte (their first round pick, 5th overall in 2019) finally makes his NHL debut. Let us rock.
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Last night’s Kraken game was postponed and now they are postponing another game against the Jets next week. This is ridiculous.
Are they still having the winter classic on NYD?
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I mean as of right now, yes. We'll see what happens in four days. Hopefully, Blues and Wild don't end up having their guys on protocols which can cause a big downer to what's typically a nice yearly game, outdoors in a stadium.
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So, ESPN+ isn't actually a TV channel? WTF?? Hockey for the first time in a week, and neither of the two channels are fucking carrying the game? This blows. >:( :censored >:(
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Apparently, regarding the ESPN side of things, the games are on their streaming platforms rather than on the tv channels (not like the TNT games where they are on the tv channel on Wednesdays). Is that right?
Edit: Also, for those watching the World Juniors tourney, I'm reading that Canada is kicking Austria's asses pretty hard at the moment. 11-2. Connor Bedard (a guy that could be picked #1 in the 2023 draft, it seems) has scored four goals in that game.
Edit x 2: Well, the Kings got slaughtered. That wasn't fun. I don't want to talk about it. On another note, the Sharks/Coyotes game ended with the score being 8-7 and ended in a shootout???
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Edit: Also, for those watching the World Juniors tourney, I'm reading that Canada is kicking Austria's asses pretty hard at the moment. 11-2. Connor Bedard (a guy that could be picked #1 in the 2023 draft, it seems) has scored four goals in that game.
I didn't bother watching that game, as I knew it was gonna be a blow out. But yeah, Bedard is only the 7th Canadian to ever play at the world juniors as a 16 year old ... joining the likes of Gretz, Lindros, Spezza, Crosby, McDavid. He's likely the next coming of McDavid. Also, the USA had to forfeit their game due to 2 positive tests. Hopefully they turn out to be false positives.
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Well, per Bob McKenzie, the World Juniors is looking to be cancelled. Players testing positive, forfeited games. It's a clusterf*** it seems. This ain't going to be a good week for the IIHF.
https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/1476285734717779972
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Well, per Bob McKenzie, the World Juniors is looking to be cancelled. Players testing positive, forfeited games. It's a clusterf*** it seems. This ain't going to be a good week for the IIHF.
https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/1476285734717779972
Yeah, this royally sucks - mostly for these kids, but for the fans as well. I always love this tournament. I guess a 2-day pre-tourney quarantine for players wasn't sufficient.
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Any of you guys that have been hockey fans for a long time ever been fans of a team that ended up just doing really poorly all season without ever (or maybe rarely) actually getting blown out? Like they just seem to be in almost every game, but the breakaways always seem to bounce off a post, or the perfect open pass seems to always bounce over a stick. Or like most games are just lost by a single goal that came so close to going the other way?
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Kev…..do you want to take that one or should I? :lol
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Kev…..do you want to take that one or should I? :lol
Oh boy…I got a feeling I’m in for some stories. :rollin
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Kev…..do you want to take that one or should I? :lol
Oh boy…I got a feeling I’m in for some stories. :rollin
They're both Blues fans, so prepare yourself! ;D
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Kev…..do you want to take that one or should I? :lol
The floor is yours, sir. ;) :lol
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Any of you guys that have been hockey fans for a long time ever been fans of a team that ended up just doing really poorly all season without ever (or maybe rarely) actually getting blown out? Like they just seem to be in almost every game, but the breakaways always seem to bounce off a post, or the perfect open pass seems to always bounce over a stick. Or like most games are just lost by a single goal that came so close to going the other way?
I've not looked at any stats, but I image that, at least for the past 25 years, the average margin of victory in all NHL games is somewhere between 1-2 goals. Blowouts are the exception, not the rule.
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Wild one for the Devils this afternoon against Edmonton. We blew leads of 1-0, 2-1, 3-2, and 4-3, and then when the game was tied at 4 in the third got absolutely hosed on a (non) call to give Edmonton a 5-4 lead. The refs signaled for a delayed penalty called against NJ and despite multiple Devils touching the puck play wasn't whistled dead until Edmonton had scored a goal. We challenged and the refs spent about 5 minutes reviewing before coming back and saying that a missed stoppage isn't a reviewable call so the goal would stand. Tied it at 5 with 30 seconds left and then won it in OT.
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That blown call was brutal. Look for a rule change in the off season to prevent that in the future.
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The refs signaled for a delayed penalty called against NJ and despite multiple Devils touching the puck play wasn't whistled dead until Edmonton had scored a goal.
I didn't see it, but merely touching the puck doesn't cause a stoppage. The team being penalized must gain "control of the puck," and it's possible to touch the puck without gaining control.
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The refs signaled for a delayed penalty called against NJ and despite multiple Devils touching the puck play wasn't whistled dead until Edmonton had scored a goal.
I didn't see it, but merely touching the puck doesn't cause a stoppage. The team being penalized must gain "control of the puck," and it's possible to touch the puck without gaining control.
When you see the replay, you’ll see it was BS.
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Especially because there was a specific example from earlier in the game where there was a delayed penalty on Edmonton and the play was whistled dead immediately when the one of their players touched the puck. All good though, still got the win. And Hughes sniping home the game-winner through McDavid's legs was a nice touch :hat
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The Rangers beat the two time defending champions. God I love hockey.
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The refs signaled for a delayed penalty called against NJ and despite multiple Devils touching the puck play wasn't whistled dead until Edmonton had scored a goal.
I didn't see it, but merely touching the puck doesn't cause a stoppage. The team being penalized must gain "control of the puck," and it's possible to touch the puck without gaining control.
When you see the replay, you’ll see it was BS.
I just watched it. WOW!
I mean, Hamilton clearly SHOT THE PUCK!
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And there is NO WAY the ref couldn’t have seen that - he was less than 5 feet away, with his arm already up. Not to mention the Hughes touch a few seconds later.
The Hockey Gods got the call right.
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It’s so weird watching the outdoor games because of how slow the ice surface is…..and how choppy…..it’s like slo mo.
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It’s so weird watching the outdoor games because of how slow the ice surface is…..and how choppy…..it’s like slo mo.
I'm getting frostbite just watching the game. :lol
For those unaware, the temp around the start of the Blues/Wild game tonight at the outdoor Winter Classic was -6 (and it was said to feel like -25).
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I read that the ice condition was so cold that they actually had to warm it up to improve the quality. Something that would never happen if an outdoors game would be either in California or Vegas.
Earlier today, the Blues didn't think the weather was going to be an issue for them. It was like their dress code today was wear shorts and unbuttoned shirts. Sandals optional.
https://twitter.com/StLouisBlues/status/1477388813454487560
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I saw that earlier.
Hockey players are a different breed. :lol :lol
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The first couple of Kraken/Canuck games were just fairly standard hockey games.
But I’m starting to see a true rivalry form. There’s a lot more (and harder) hitting. Two majors for fighting in the first 5 minutes, a lot of pushing and shoving and taunting in the aftermath…
I think it’s starting to get personal. :xbones
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The first couple of Kraken/Canuck games were just fairly standard hockey games.
But I’m starting to see a true rivalry form. There’s a lot more (and harder) hitting. Two majors for fighting in the first 5 minutes, a lot of pushing and shoving and taunting in the aftermath…
I think it’s starting to get personal. :xbones
That’s amazing to hear. Sports rivalries are always fun, and the prospect of a Vancouver-Seattle rivalry is one of the things that excited me most about the Kraken coming into the league.
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Hey Rich... what's the talk on Edmonton up there? Is Tippett on the hot seat. They have not fared too well lately.
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Hey Rich... what's the talk on Edmonton up there? Is Tippett on the hot seat. They have not fared too well lately.
I think he's on the hot seat, and i know my friends would like him fired today. Sportsnet had an article this weekend suggesting that consistency is more important now than a change, but Tippett's coaching decisions lately have been abysmal. A few more games like the back to back this weekend and he's done for sure. The McDavid Draisaitl window won't be open forever. TSN talk radio is flooded with angry fans
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I LOVE HOCKEY!!!
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I LOVE HOCKEY!!!
Of course you do - a shutout of the defending champs and best team in the league will do that for ya!
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I LOVE HOCKEY!!!
Of course you do - a shutout of the defending champs and best team in the league will do that for ya!
I’m beyond happy with how the Rangers have been playing this season.
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Did anybody see this incredible story?
https://www.nhl.com/news/kraken-fan-warns-canucks-equipment-manager-of-cancerous-mole/c-329375240
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Did anybody see this incredible story?
https://www.nhl.com/news/kraken-fan-warns-canucks-equipment-manager-of-cancerous-mole/c-329375240
I just heard about it when I was watching the game Saturday night. That’s truly amazing!
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Did anybody see this incredible story?
https://www.nhl.com/news/kraken-fan-warns-canucks-equipment-manager-of-cancerous-mole/c-329375240
Yep, read about that in the Athletic yesterday. Really cool.
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Did anybody see this incredible story?
https://www.nhl.com/news/kraken-fan-warns-canucks-equipment-manager-of-cancerous-mole/c-329375240
Yep, read about that in the Athletic yesterday. Really cool.
Yeah, I caught it on nhl.com, and it also made the national news last night. :tup
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I have decided that I'm going to buy the Center Ice package next year. There's never any games on. I'll be fine the rest of this year as the Bruins are basically playing every other night.
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Thanks Rangers for beating the Oilers today in regulation. All of these other teams in the Pacific in this screenshot appreciate it.
(https://i.imgur.com/G6ighol.png)
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Thanks Rangers for beating the Oilers today in regulation. All of these other teams in the Pacific in this screenshot appreciate it.
(https://i.imgur.com/G6ighol.png)
Ugh. We helped the Kings? Gross lol.
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I mean you also helped the Sharks and Canucks and I'm not excited about that.
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McDavid has COVID. Guess a bunch of the Devils, Isles and Rangers are bound to get it now
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McDavid has COVID. Guess a bunch of the Devils, Isles and Rangers are bound to get it now
McCovid. ;D
Devils in Boston tonight!
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Devils in Boston tonight!
Doesn't he wear #63 for the Bruins? ;)
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Devils in Boston tonight!
Is he lookin' for a soul to steal?
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Devils in Boston tonight!
Is he lookin' for a soul to steal?
The B's were in a bind, they were way behind..
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Damn, PK Subban is a shell of himself. WTF happened to him? He fell off a cliff after Montreal traded him.
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I don't know. He was still all right when he was in Nashville in the first few years after that trade. In the last few years with the Devils... Not so much. Chalk it up to injuries perhaps and not able to return to solid form?
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Damn, PK Subban is a shell of himself. WTF happened to him? He fell off a cliff after Montreal traded him.
Ehh…..even when he was at his best he was overrated. He’s a POS anyway…..egotistical…..horrible for a locker room and has received entirely too many accolades for being an average to slightly above average defenseman.
It’s befitting he’s a shell of his former self.
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Damn, PK Subban is a shell of himself. WTF happened to him? He fell off a cliff after Montreal traded him.
Ehh…..even when he was at his best he was overrated. He’s a POS anyway…..egotistical…..horrible for a locker room and has received entirely too many accolades for being an average to slightly above average defenseman.
It’s befitting he’s a shell of his former self.
Gary, I know he wasn't in your division, but we saw him 8 times a year and he was a beast when he was younger. I totally understand not liking him, but he was a great player in Montreal. His prime would prove to be quite fleeting as it turns out, but he deserved whatever accolades he received when he was in Montreal.
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(https://i.imgur.com/f7FdEdG.jpg)
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Yeah, I gotta agree with Tim and Chad. Norris trophy PK was elite in the league. Something happened to him along the way. Maybe the breakup with Lindsey Vonn destroyed his confidence or something, but, then again, he was already on the decline by then (if I have my timing correct).
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I'll defer to you guys who got to see him multiple times a year in his 'prime' and take your word for it. Maybe there was a short time there where he was 'elite'. The Subban I saw after he was traded to the Predators never hinted at being anything other than a slightly above average defender.......an egotistical, selfish, POS player......and horrible locker room guy. Who also got away with (and still does) egregious penalties because that was just PK being PK.
What your teammates say about you, the way you carry yourself and type of person you are go a long way.....and for me especially, I don't think you have the right to be included in the conversation as elite or the best if your a POS person.
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I'll defer to you guys who got to see him multiple times a year in his 'prime' and take your word for it. Maybe there was a short time there where he was 'elite'. The Subban I saw after he was traded to the Predators never hinted at being anything other than a slightly above average defender.......an egotistical, selfish, POS player......and horrible locker room guy. Who also got away with (and still does) egregious penalties because that was just PK being PK.
What your teammates say about you, the way you carry yourself and type of person you are go a long way.....and for me especially, I don't think you have the right to be included in the conversation as elite or the best if your a POS person.
Hard to call him a POS person. His philanthropy speaks for itself, and goes much further than many professional athletes. I won't argue he's not selfish or egotistical (most NHL players are the latter to some degree), but I wouldn't call him a POS person. Brett Hull called St. Louis fans a bunch of losers. Does that make him a POS person, too? Probably not.
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I'll defer to you guys who got to see him multiple times a year in his 'prime' and take your word for it. Maybe there was a short time there where he was 'elite'. The Subban I saw after he was traded to the Predators never hinted at being anything other than a slightly above average defender.......an egotistical, selfish, POS player......and horrible locker room guy. Who also got away with (and still does) egregious penalties because that was just PK being PK.
What your teammates say about you, the way you carry yourself and type of person you are go a long way.....and for me especially, I don't think you have the right to be included in the conversation as elite or the best if your a POS person.
Hard to call him a POS person. His philanthropy speaks for itself, and goes much further than many professional athletes. I won't argue he's not selfish or egotistical (most NHL players are the latter to some degree), but I wouldn't call him a POS person. Brett Hull called St. Louis fans a bunch of losers. Does that make him a POS person, too? Probably not.
I guess to me there's philanthropy that's bore from a genuine spot in your heart and soul and then there's philanthropy that bore from a need to feel good about yourself and feed your ego....and try and buy your way out of being a horrible person and have the ability to point to it in times when your true colors are exposed and say "look...see...Look what I did for......"
I have my opinion as to which sect PK's philanthropy falls into. Could be entirely off base. Hope that's the case.
As far as Brett Hull goes Brett Hull has said a LOT of things that are brutal. He also said he wouldn't piss on Mike Keenan if he were on fire. But to a man every single player or coach you talk to said they'd take him as a teammate any day of the week. He has an ego the size of every city he's played in as well but the difference is he never let that get in the way of him being a great teammate and a player who played the game 'right'. You won't get that consensus with PK. There are no equal comparisons to be made between those two players anyway.
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I'll defer to you guys who got to see him multiple times a year in his 'prime' and take your word for it. Maybe there was a short time there where he was 'elite'. The Subban I saw after he was traded to the Predators never hinted at being anything other than a slightly above average defender.......an egotistical, selfish, POS player......and horrible locker room guy. Who also got away with (and still does) egregious penalties because that was just PK being PK.
What your teammates say about you, the way you carry yourself and type of person you are go a long way.....and for me especially, I don't think you have the right to be included in the conversation as elite or the best if your a POS person.
Hard to call him a POS person. His philanthropy speaks for itself, and goes much further than many professional athletes. I won't argue he's not selfish or egotistical (most NHL players are the latter to some degree), but I wouldn't call him a POS person. Brett Hull called St. Louis fans a bunch of losers. Does that make him a POS person, too? Probably not.
Oh Brett Hull is definitely a POS.
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I'll defer to you guys who got to see him multiple times a year in his 'prime' and take your word for it. Maybe there was a short time there where he was 'elite'. The Subban I saw after he was traded to the Predators never hinted at being anything other than a slightly above average defender.......an egotistical, selfish, POS player......and horrible locker room guy. Who also got away with (and still does) egregious penalties because that was just PK being PK.
What your teammates say about you, the way you carry yourself and type of person you are go a long way.....and for me especially, I don't think you have the right to be included in the conversation as elite or the best if your a POS person.
Hard to call him a POS person. His philanthropy speaks for itself, and goes much further than many professional athletes. I won't argue he's not selfish or egotistical (most NHL players are the latter to some degree), but I wouldn't call him a POS person. Brett Hull called St. Louis fans a bunch of losers. Does that make him a POS person, too? Probably not.
I guess to me there's philanthropy that's bore from a genuine spot in your heart and soul and then there's philanthropy that bore from a need to feel good about yourself and feed your ego....and try and buy your way out of being a horrible person and have the ability to point to it in times when your true colors are exposed and say "look...see...Look what I did for......"
I have my opinion as to which sect PK's philanthropy falls into. Could be entirely off base. Hope that's the case.
As far as Brett Hull goes Brett Hull has said a LOT of things that are brutal. He also said he wouldn't piss on Mike Keenan if he were on fire. But to a man every single player or coach you talk to said they'd take him as a teammate any day of the week. He has an ego the size of every city he's played in as well but the difference is he never let that get in the way of him being a great teammate and a player who played the game 'right'. You won't get that consensus with PK. There are no equal comparisons to be made between those two players anyway.
On that, we can certainly agree.
As for the philanthropy, it's entirely possible he does it for those reasons you listed. Doesn't change the fact that there's many, many others who don't donate millions of dollars AND are genuine pieces of shit. I'll take a charitable shit over a regular one any day.
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Ha. Crosby’s a freaking baby.
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Was wondering when the league I mean refs would show up for the home team
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So is this what it’s like playing the Penguins? Home cooked calls to make sure they don’t get embarrassed?
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So is this what it’s like playing the Penguins? Home cooked calls to make sure they don’t get embarrassed?
Yep.
The defensemen pushes a Blue into their own goalie and we get a penalty for goalie interference.
And then Crosby gets away with interfering with Binnington on the tying goal, we lose the challenge, and then Pittsburgh scores on the PP.
NHL officiating at its best tonight. :lol :lol
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And then Crosby gets away with interfering with Binnington on the tying goal, we lose the challenge, and then Pittsburgh scores on the PP.
That was a legit goal, sorry.
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And then Crosby gets away with interfering with Binnington on the tying goal, we lose the challenge, and then Pittsburgh scores on the PP.
That was a legit goal, sorry.
The Blues defender should have been smart and just cross checked Crosby into Binnington. Based on the standard the refs had set earlier in the period, that would have been goalie interference for allowing yourself to be physically pushed into the goalie by a defender.
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I didn't see the earlier play. I just tuned in right before that goal. In a vacuum, the Crosby goal is a goal. But the refs can sure be inconsistent.
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Ha. Crosby’s a freaking baby.
Was wondering when the league I mean refs would show up for the home team
So is this what it’s like playing the Penguins? Home cooked calls to make sure they don’t get embarrassed?
Just a taste of what it’s like to be a fan of one of the other seven teams in the Metro division. There’s a reason why I hated the Penguins more than the Devils, Flyers, and Islanders for a long time, and I still hate them more than any other team that isn’t the Islanders.
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That's the problem. Goalie interference, like PI in football, is never called the same way, and it's basically like throwing a dart as to how it will be called. It blows because Binnington played lights out for most of the game and it was all for naught, but it's just one game in the middle of the season.
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So is this what it’s like playing the Penguins? Home cooked calls to make sure they don’t get embarrassed?
See the 2008/2009 Stanley Cup Finals. The league worked hard to get Crosby his first Cup!
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So is this what it’s like playing the Penguins? Home cooked calls to make sure they don’t get embarrassed?
See the 2008/2009 Stanley Cup Finals. The league worked hard to get Crosby his first Cup!
That was against the Red Wings though, so it worked for me. :tup :tup
But, ribs aside, bad officiating is just that: bad officiating. While I do think certain teams and stars are more likely to get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to calls (in all team sports), there is no conspiracy. It usually really is as simple as bad officiating.
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So is this what it’s like playing the Penguins? Home cooked calls to make sure they don’t get embarrassed?
See the 2008/2009 Stanley Cup Finals. The league worked hard to get Crosby his first Cup!
That was against the Red Wings though, so it worked for me. :tup :tup
But, ribs aside, bad officiating is just that: bad officiating. While I do think certain teams and stars are more likely to get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to calls (in all team sports), there is no conspiracy. It usually really is as simple as bad officiating.
Haha! I thought it would. :tup:
Everything around that Cup final was a shit show. The league moved it up a week because NBC asked them to, and because both Conference Final series were anti-climactic. At the end of Game 2, as the Wings were about to take a 2-0 series lead, Evgeni Malkin decided to instigate a bunch of shit with Henrik Zetterberg, and should have, according to the rules, been given an automatic one game suspension. The league voided that suspension. At one point in either Game 3 or 4, the Penguins had 7 skaters on the ice, with no penalty. In fact, one of the referees just gave them a warning. The media, led by noted Penguins and Blackhawks fanboy Eddie Olczyk, were totally in the bag for the Penguins, and really pushed the narrative of a burgeoning Penguins dynasty, and made it seem like the Wings were being rude for standing in the way of Crosby and the Penguins coronation as The Next One. Olczyk in particular was harping about the Wings "subtle interference" and "1-minute minors" that made it seem like the Wings clutched and grabbed their way to back to back Cup finals appearances. I'm generally not a conspiracy believer, but it sure seemed the league really, really, really wanted to get Crosby a Cup to fit the narrative that he was the next anointed one, when he was, honestly, the 4th best center in that Cup Final (Malkin was playing out of his mind in that playoff).
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So how is it that the league hasn't even been able to get McDavid out of the 2nd round then?? Or MacKinnon to a Conference Final :biggrin:
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So how is it that the league hasn't even been able to get McDavid out of the 2nd round then?? Or MacKinnon to a Conference Final :biggrin:
Their fellatio skills are lacking....just not on the same level as Sid the Kid.
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So how is it that the league hasn't even been able to get McDavid out of the 2nd round then?? Or MacKinnon to a Conference Final :biggrin:
Their fellatio skills are lacking....just not on the same level as Sid the Kid.
No superstar in the league has taken such physical abuse from his opponents that Crosby. I don't know what you have against him.
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So how is it that the league hasn't even been able to get McDavid out of the 2nd round then?? Or MacKinnon to a Conference Final :biggrin:
Their fellatio skills are lacking....just not on the same level as Sid the Kid.
No superstar in the league has taken such physical abuse from his opponents that Crosby. I don't know what you have against him.
Are you new around here? Gary has something against every successful person/team that doesn't have a Blues logo on their chest. :lol :lol
P.S. Luv ya Gare.
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So how is it that the league hasn't even been able to get McDavid out of the 2nd round then?? Or MacKinnon to a Conference Final :biggrin:
Their fellatio skills are lacking....just not on the same level as Sid the Kid.
No superstar in the league has taken such physical abuse from his opponents that Crosby. I don't know what you have against him.
Are you new around here? Gary has something against every successful person/team that doesn't have a Blues logo on their chest. :lol :lol
P.S. Luv ya Gare.
(https://i.imgur.com/f7FdEdG.jpg)
BUT.....despite my distain for every player that isn't a Blue ;) .....the altercation Crosby had with Mikkola the other night is a perfect example of him being a baby just because he was played well defensively AND the fact that he continually gets away with stuff like that. The announcers said that was only Sids third penalty this year but you know damn well he does crap like this every game. How many two handers do you see here and slashes? Mikkol does nothing here but defend himself...and well I might add.
Crosby may get the crap beat out of him but lets not forget or forgive the fact the dude gets away with murder also.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBpx9vuMmeQ
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Seems like that was a big win for the Blues.
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Seems like that was a big win for the Blues.
Not really. At that point in the game the Blues were controlling the game and were up 2-0. After that the Penguins got all in a tizzy because 87 was touched and it woke them up a bit....Blues were outscored 5-1 after that moment.
No need to go into the questionable officiating after that because it happens to all our teams all the time. Very inconsistent officiating a lot of the time this season. But the Penguins did receive 7 power plays to the Blues one which was way too lopsided considering what was happening on the ice.
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Crosby may get the crap beat out of him but lets not forget or forgive the fact the dude gets away with murder also.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBpx9vuMmeQ
Why would you use that video? The Blues player crosschecked him first.
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Crosby may get the crap beat out of him but lets not forget or forgive the fact the dude gets away with murder also.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBpx9vuMmeQ
Why would you use that video? The Blues player crosschecked him first.
I think your idea of a cross check and mine differ greatly. What Mikkola did to him as he crossed the front of the net is done on every single play by D men when protecting the house. And, the was zero force behind it. It was a bracing push with nothing to it. The retaliation from Sid the infant was the instigating factor there.
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A bracing push? :rollin
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And lord knows what abuse Sid took leading up to that - not just in that game, but years and years of it. He's certainly been a more chippy player in his later years.
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I've thought Crosby has been a cheap shot artist for decades so seeing blood on his face pleases me.
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Crosby has been getting pretty frustrated at times when it comes to stuff like this. I think I saw a tweet of a gif where he threw a Capitals player to the boards after he dumped the puck. Didn't get called for that.
McDavid is starting to get to that point as well. In a Kings/Oilers game, he boarded Adrian Kempe, drew blood around the lip area, got a 5 min. major, and a game misconduct. Kempe ended up scoring on that power play to put the nail in on that game. That was around the start of the Oilers bleeding games.
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Seems like that was a big win for the Blues.
Not really. At that point in the game the Blues were controlling the game and were up 2-0. After that the Penguins got all in a tizzy because 87 was touched and it woke them up a bit....Blues were outscored 5-1 after that moment.
Fair enough, but 9/10 times, trading just about anyone on most teams for Crosby is a win.
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The Evander Kane with the Sharks saga is over. They have terminated the contract "for breach of his NHL Standard Player Contract and for violation of the AHL COVID-19 protocols." Apparently, no cap penalty for the Sharks. Wow. I hope he sorts his issues out.
https://www.nhl.com/sharks/news/statement-from-sharks-regarding-evander-kane/c-329592480
https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1479895416128868352
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The Evander Kane with the Sharks saga is over. They have terminated the contract "for breach of his NHL Standard Player Contract and for violation of the AHL COVID-19 protocols." Apparently, no cap penalty for the Sharks. Wow. I hope he sorts his issues out.
https://www.nhl.com/sharks/news/statement-from-sharks-regarding-evander-kane/c-329592480
https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1479895416128868352
Kings did similar with Mike Richards, and I wouldn't be surprised if Kane fights it and in the end the Sharks see a cap hit / payout of an amount lower than it would have been. That said, with how much Kane has shot himself in the foot I don't think he'll have much leverage, so maybe he just goes away.
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Well, in the case of the Kings, this seems more similar to the Voynov termination also in that same year (not a fun year for the Kings) where the guy did something stupid and it led to a contract termination where they don't have to pay the guy anymore and it doesn't count in the cap hit anymore.
Yeah, I don't see how much leverage Kane has to get some sort of settlement of what's left to pay. I guess that's up to the NHLPA to find out. They can file a grievance which is how Richards got the settlement and how the Kings has a minor cap hit on that contract still.
On August 10, it was announced that the National Hockey League Players' Association (NHLPA) had filed a grievance on behalf of Richards to contest the termination.[35] On October 9, 2015, the Kings announced a settlement with Richards, thus making him a free agent.
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Well, the Blues were the beneficiary of some atrocious officiating today.
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Well, the Blues were the beneficiary of some atrocious officiating today.
Say it Gary! SAY IT GARY!!
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Lol.
B's seem to be finding their stride. Let's hope they continue this play.
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Well, the Blues were the beneficiary of some atrocious officiating today.
Say it Gary! SAY IT GARY!!
:lol
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Well, read that Tuukka Rask has resigned with the Bruins for the rest of the season for $1 million. People in Boston seems to be polarized when it comes to this guy. From this outsider viewpoint, I think he still wants to be there and would not want to go anywhere else (he hung around in their practice facilities after recovering from surgery, was actually a EBUG at Boston, I believe he signed a PTO with their AHL team to get back in the fray). All I can say is good luck with that.
Also, I heard some murmurs that Evander Kane is going to sign with the Oilers soon, days after his contract termination with the Sharks. Oilers organization plays quite a confusing approach in building a team when they have two of the very best players in the game. I know that Kane, despite his off-ice baggage, is still a good on-ice player, but how many GMs are going to play the "this time it's going to be different because he's in our team"?
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I don't think there's wheels to that Kane to Oilers noise. I hear the Leafs were talking to him, as well, so my guess this is just a bunch of hockey writers speculating and hoping they get a hit so they look good. Not too difficult to look at the sliding Oilers and think there'd be a fit for a sizeable winger with a scoring touch.
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Then again we traded Hall for Larsson straight up, drafted Nail Yakupov 1st overall, and, more recently, signed Mikko-fucking-Koskinen to a multi-year deal the day before firing the GM. Nothing would surprise me
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I mean at least Yakupov gave you guys this moment. It was against the Kings though in a early in the season game in 2013, I think. That was to tie the game in the last seconds btw, not win it. They were to proceed to win it in OT though and thought the Oilers was going to be fine.
(https://ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2013/11/nail-yakupov-goal-celebration.gif)
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I'm not sure whether to be happy, or annoyed with the Leafs. On the one hand, they played like ass for 4 out of 6 periods, and blew a couple of 2-goal third period leads. On the other hand, they played 2 great periods out of 6 and had a 2-goal lead in the third against both the Avs and Knights on the road, despite ending up on the wrong end of more than a few borderline officiating calls - and came out of the two games with 3 out of 4 points.
I think the last point is the key takeaway.
Hadn't heard any rumblings of Kane coming to Toronto, and I sure as shit hope he doesn't. I can't see how his baggage isn't going to be toxic in any Canadian hockey town/media circus. Carolina should take a flyer on him - things have worked out well for the team with DeAngelo. :lol
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Well, read that Tuukka Rask has resigned with the Bruins for the rest of the season for $1 million. People in Boston seems to be polarized when it comes to this guy. From this outsider viewpoint, I think he still wants to be there and would not want to go anywhere else (he hung around in their practice facilities after recovering from surgery, was actually a EBUG at Boston, I believe he signed a PTO with their AHL team to get back in the fray). All I can say is good luck with that.
Must look weird as hell from the outside. Basically, they let his contract run out at the end of last year. I think Tuukka is taking it year to year at this point, but the thing is is that he had a bum hip that required surgery this off season. Seems he and the Bruins had an agreement that he would come back if/when he was ready at an extremely team friendly deal. Rask has stated that he will only play for the Bruins, or move his family back to Finland and play there, similar to what Krecji just did. I think that's the end game anyway. But he said he's not moving his family around the country just to play in the NHL.
The Bruins were also playing two rookies at the end of last year, Jeremy Swayman (who is projected to be the team's next #1) and Dan Vladar, who was shipped off to Calgary I think when the team signed Linus Ullmark to a FA contract in the off season. Seemed Ullmark was signed to have a veteran presence as insurance in case Rask didn't come back.
Rask signed the PTO with Providence to really just get some games in. He is not "trying out". With the AHL Covid issues, the Bruins are taking a chance and bringing him right back to Boston. He's been rehabbing at the Bruins' facility the whole time.
Unfortunately, Swayman got sent down to make room, and apparently was not happy about it. But I think Ullman's contract is extremely restrictive about what the B's can and cannot do with him.
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Which begs to question why did they give Ullman a 4 year deal with. what was it, 5 million a year if they knew Tuuka would be back?
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Don Sweeney has to go would be the answer.
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Which begs to question why did they give Ullman a 4 year deal with. what was it, 5 million a year if they knew Tuuka would be back?
If Ullmark was playing better than Swayman, this wouldn't be a question at all. The fact Swayman has performed better (statistically) is where the rub is. No team is going to assign a contract like Ullmark's to the minors (well, except Ottawa ... but that was also to get Murray some playing time, and get back in NHL shape). The risk of losing Ullmark off waivers, or that Swayman doesn't maintain that level of performance outweighs his fee fees of being pissed that he gets sent down despite his strong performance. An 8-6-2 record (including 1-2-2 in the last 5 starts) in your 2nd year in the league record doesn't give you a lot of leverage as a 23 year old. Ullmark's 4-1 in his last 5. Suck it up buttercup.
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You can say that now Chad but I'm talking off season. They should have not given Ulmark the contract. Let the kid play. He was fantastic in the 10 games the season before. More money freed up instead of tied up with a Goalie, that will be the backup if Tuuka hits stride. Also, they new Tuuka would be back at some point this year so ride it out.
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You can say that now Chad but I'm talking off season. They should have not given Ulmark the contract. Let the kid play. He was fantastic in the 10 games the season before. More money freed up instead of tied up with a Goalie, that will be the backup if Tuuka hits stride. Also, they new Tuuka would be back at some point this year so ride it out.
On principle, I agree. In practicality, the goalie options were limited. IIRC, by the time they got to Ullmark, all the better options were gone - Anderson, Mrazek, Grubauer. The next best options ... Reimer? Ranta? Holtby? Ridditch? Martin fucking Jones??
Statistically, he was worth about $5M-ish, known to be able to handle a #1 role, and was worth the 'risk' to see how he could produce on a good team. Ullmark was probably the best option available to them. Maybe they can unload him to Edmonton, or another team that needs a better #1?
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Pretty sure Ulmark has a no movement. I don't even think they can send him to Providence.
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You can say that now Chad but I'm talking off season. They should have not given Ulmark the contract. Let the kid play. He was fantastic in the 10 games the season before. More money freed up instead of tied up with a Goalie, that will be the backup if Tuuka hits stride. Also, they new Tuuka would be back at some point this year so ride it out.
On principle, I agree. In practicality, the goalie options were limited. IIRC, by the time they got to Ullmark, all the better options were gone - Anderson, Mrazek, Grubauer. The next best options ... Reimer? Ranta? Holtby? Ridditch? Martin fucking Jones??
Statistically, he was worth about $5M-ish, known to be able to handle a #1 role, and was worth the 'risk' to see how he could produce on a good team. Ullmark was probably the best option available to them. Maybe they can unload him to Edmonton, or another team that needs a better #1?
Stay with the 2 Rookies. Dan Vladar who they lost in the draft.
Pretty sure Ulmark has a no movement. I don't even think they can send him to Providence.
Adding to the insult. Now we are stuck with him for 4 years.
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Stay with the 2 Rookies. Dan Vladar who they lost in the draft.
Pretty sure Ulmark has a no movement. I don't even think they can send him to Providence.
Adding to the insult. Now we are stuck with him for 4 years.
Yeah, right. No team that wants to contend for the Cup is going to go into the season with two inexperienced goalies. Then you end up having two goalies the quality of MacKenzie Blackwood and Carter Hart. Sweeney would've be lit up by the media and fans. I don't understand what draft you guys lost Vladar in? Sweeney traded him for a 3rd round pick. Was he going to be exposed in the expansion draft and feared to be lost, so he got moved for *something*?
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No, I had on the brain the expansion draft. Still, they knew Tuuka was coming back so why sign a 4 year, no trade clause deal? Sign a vet for 1 or 2 to get you by, not cause a log jam in that area. It's like they planned on moving on from Rask, then figured out Ulmark was not what they thought so here's Rask!!
Sweeney has been suspect with this team. Look at the opportunity gone wrong here with guys in their prime.
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No, I had on the brain the expansion draft. Still, they knew Tuuka was coming back so why sign a 4 year, no trade clause deal? Sign a vet for 1 or 2 to get you by, not cause a log jam in that area. It's like they planned on moving on from Rask, then figured out Ulmark was not what they thought so here's Rask!!
Sweeney has been suspect with this team. Look at the opportunity gone wrong here with guys in their prime.
What if they were in 10th place come the time for Rask's return? What if Rask wasn't 100% upon his return. Contingencies man... that's what Ullmark's signing was. Ideally, he could've/should've been gotten for a 2-3 year term, and closer to $4M AAV. But, beggers can't be choosers. On the flip-side, Ullmark is 6 years younger than Rask. Father time will catch him. Maybe the plan is for Ullmark to be the 1a option while Rask is 1b for the next 3 years?
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Stay with the 2 Rookies. Dan Vladar who they lost in the draft.
Pretty sure Ulmark has a no movement. I don't even think they can send him to Providence.
Adding to the insult. Now we are stuck with him for 4 years.
Yeah, right. No team that wants to contend for the Cup is going to go into the season with two inexperienced goalies. Then you end up having two goalies the quality of MacKenzie Blackwood and Carter Hart. Sweeney would've be lit up by the media and fans. I don't understand what draft you guys lost Vladar in? Sweeney traded him for a 3rd round pick. Was he going to be exposed in the expansion draft and feared to be lost, so he got moved for *something*?
I said Vladar was shipped off. ;D
Personally, I thought the Ulmark signing was a good one. I did support it. There was no way to know how Tuukka was going to respond. His original timeline had him coming back mid March. Now he's back in two months sooner.
Personally, I'd have kept Vladar in Providence. He was one of THREE 2nd round picks in that brutal 2015.
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I get it but why not a vet with a shorter deal? At some point you have to go with a rookie goalie. Trust me, ask Tim. Lot's of questions here about Sweeney's drafting and moves.
For example, the 2015 draft where they had the 13 through 15th pick in the first round. The worst case scenario was for them to draft 3 times in a row, which happened. 2 of the 3 have asked to be traded. Jakub Zboril, Jake DeBrusk, and Zachary Senyshyn. Zboril they only one not asking out.
Zac Rinaldo for a 3rd round pick. Ugh.
I could go on.
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I get it but why not a vet with a shorter deal? At some point you have to go with a rookie goalie. Trust me, ask Tim. Lot's of questions here about Sweeney's drafting and moves.
For example, the 2015 draft where they had the 13 through 15th pick in the first round. The worst case scenario was for them to draft 3 times in a row, which happened. 2 of the 3 have asked to be traded. Jakub Zboril, Jake DeBrusk, and Zachary Senyshyn. Zboril they only one not asking out.
Zac Rinaldo for a 3rd round pick. Ugh.
I could go on.
And Debrusk and Senycheyn (sp) each asked for trades this year. Everyone questioned them taking Senycheyn (sp) with that pick. He was playing third line on McDavid's team. This is another example of Sweeney thinking he's the smartest guy in the room.
Don't forget, they not only had 3 picks in the first round, they also had three in the 2nd round! Carlo who is one of the best players taken that round, Vladar, and JFK, who is now back in Sweden.
He also took Trent Frederic with a 1st round pick. WTF??
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Guys ... fan can bitch about WTF moves their team/GM made. Like why the fuck did the Leafs trade Rask for "Red Light" Raycroft?!?!?
Don't get Schecter started. HE could go on and on.
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:lol
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Before my wife broke her wrist last month, the two of us had planned to spend a couple of days in Philly next week, centered around a Red Wings-Flyers game. We were just notified that it has been postponed. We already received our hotel refund, maybe the same will hold true for our game tickets.
I know they postponed their game against Carolina last night. Nothing on the Flyers website as to their scheduled games in between......
EDIT: Well, it was on the Red Wings website, dated January 5th! Nice that we were not notified until the 11th....
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Guys ... fan can bitch about WTF moves their team/GM made. Like why the fuck did the Leafs trade Rask for "Red Light" Raycroft?!?!?
Don't get Schecter started. HE could go on and on.
Well....we did have Chiarelli as GM for 3 or 4 years, after all. No need to elaborate any further.
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And that’s why they play the games. 2-1 regular time loss .... not the first time the Leafs have been stonewalled by a no-name goalie who all of a sudden becomes the second coming of Dominic Hasek for one night. Damn that kid made some ridonkulous saves.
Let’s call that one a “character building” game. :lol
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Marchand with 7 goals in the last 3 games. Plus a hockey nose tp add. Rub some dirt on it and get back in there.
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Ok Kev and gmiller....we're head to head tonight.
As Blues fans, and experienced hockey fans, I hope you can give me your objective opinion on what the hell we're doing wrong.
I didn't see last nights game against the Stars, but most of the other games I've seen we seem to be **just this close** to having it go the other way. But we've been losing so consistently, that I'm forced to admit that it must be more than that. I'm just missing something.
We're scrappy. We definitely create opportunities, we just can't seem to capitalize on most of them. :-\
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Ok Kev and gmiller....we're head to head tonight.
More like head to headcase tonight.
As Blues fans, and experienced hockey fans, I hope you can give me your objective opinion on what the hell we're doing wrong.
It's the refs. The refs must be against you.
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urm....wut?
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Those are what they're responses are going to be.
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Ah. :rollin :rollin :rollin
For a second, I was like..."Did I piss off Tim somehow somewhere?"
But honestly. I feel like a newb and I'm not too proud. So I don't mind if those with more experience than me pick apart the Kraken and objectively explain to me (as a newcomer) what on earth is going on.
I didn't expect the playoffs. But we're literally worst in the league and it doesn't *feel* like we're playing like the worst team in the entire NHL.
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My advice to you would be if you're playing the Blues tonight, don't try and talk to Gary until at least Saturday. :lol
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But honestly. I feel like a newb and I'm not too proud. So I don't mind if those with more experience than me pick apart the Kraken and objectively explain to me (as a newcomer) what on earth is going on.
J-Dude, no worries. Hockey is a great game. You guys are an expansion team. Guess what. Expansion teams are never successful. Somehow Vegas made it to the Stanley Cup Finals a few years ago, but that is the exception.
The Kraken play hard, and that's expected. Guys are fighting for jobs, but there's just never enough talent on expansion teams for success.
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My advice to you would be if you're playing the Blues tonight, don't try and talk to Gary until at least Saturday. :lol
Nailed it
And Saturday, it’s the Leafs v Blues.
But honestly. I feel like a newb and I'm not too proud. So I don't mind if those with more experience than me pick apart the Kraken and objectively explain to me (as a newcomer) what on earth is going on.
J-Dude, no worries. Hockey is a great game. You guys are an expansion team. Guess what. Expansion teams are never successful. Somehow Vegas made it to the Stanley Cup Finals a few years ago, but that is the exception.
The Kraken play hard, and that's expected. Guys are fighting for jobs, but there's just never enough talent on expansion teams for success.
Vegas was a one in a thousand chance. Everything that could go right, did. No expansion team in any sport ever in our lifetime will have this kind of success.
And The Kracken are not the worst in the league. Close, but there’s a few that are worse.
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The Kraken are a scrappy bunch and put up a good fight, but eventually succumbed to the team that will inevitably win the Cup later this spring.
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Guys…there is no ‘c’ in Kraken. ::) :lol
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Jammin, if it makes you feel any better, I don't feel good about the game on Saturday, Kings vs Kraken. The Kings have won really decisively over the Rangers and Pens in the last two games. Most of their wins, this season, comes from East Coast teams. Kings are like 50-50 against the Pacific and hasn't really fared that great against the Central. I feel like this is going to a trap game for them and that the Kraken is due for a win.
On the plus side, this is a good day. Kings won decisively against a pretty good team and some of the key teams behind them (Sharks and Flames) lost. The playoff picture looks to be locked up for the East, but not in the West. I'm sweating as there could be five teams right behind the Kings that can catch up to them if all goes well for them.
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Jammin, if it makes you feel any better, I don't feel good about the game on Saturday, Kings vs Kraken. The Kings have won really decisively over the Rangers and Pens in the last two games. Most of their wins, this season, comes from East Coast teams. Kings are like 50-50 against the Pacific and hasn't really fared that great against the Central. I feel like this is going to a trap game for them and that the Kraken is due for a win.
On the plus side, this is a good day. Kings won decisively against a pretty good team and some of the key teams behind them (Sharks and Flames) lost. The playoff picture looks to be locked up for the East, but not in the West. I'm sweating as there could be five teams right behind the Kings that can catch up to them if all goes well for them.
I think it’s going to be a close game. Most of our games have been. And their play tonight against a red hot Blues team gave me hope. I really felt like they played them much stronger than anyone expected…even if we didn’t quite pull it off.
I think our biggest problem is Grubauer…which I can’t believe I’m even saying. When I heard the hype about him before the season started, I was really excited about the season. But I’ve watched nearly every game, and he has absolutely NOT lived up to his hype. Meanwhile, Driedger has been playing his ass off with far better results, and I can’t for the life of me figure out why they are still giving Grubauer the bulk of the starts.
But… it’s just our first season.
And I want to reiterate. I was NOT seeking a playoff birth our first season. I just was hoping to not be dead last in our division. I thought it was a reasonable hope.
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Guys…there is no ‘c’ in Kraken. ::) :lol
Damn it. :facepalm: :facepalm: :lol :lol
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And The Kracken are not the worst in the league. Close, but there’s a few that are worse.
The Kings will play the Kracklen for the first time on Saturday. Looking forward to it, in no small part because the Kings are playing REALLY well right now.
Jammin, if it makes you feel any better, I don't feel good about the game on Saturday, Kings vs Kraken. The Kings have won really decisively over the Rangers and Pens in the last two games. Most of their wins, this season, comes from East Coast teams. Kings are like 50-50 against the Pacific and hasn't really fared that great against the Central. I feel like this is going to a trap game for them and that the Kraken is due for a win.
On the plus side, this is a good day. Kings won decisively against a pretty good team and some of the key teams behind them (Sharks and Flames) lost. The playoff picture looks to be locked up for the East, but not in the West. I'm sweating as there could be five teams right behind the Kings that can catch up to them if all goes well for them.
Oddly, the Kings have played fewer games against the Pacific Division (7 with a 3-3-1 record) than against any of the other three divisions (10 against the Atlantic with an 8-1-1 record, 8 against the Metro with a 4-4-1 record, and 12 against the Central with a 3-6-3 record). Obviously, that means the second half of the season will be heavy with intra-divisional and intra-conference games, and the Kings are going to have to keep doing what they've done since Christmas if they want to move up in the standings.
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All the Canadian teams in the pacific are slowing things down since the league stopped Canada based home games. Oil haven't played since Jan 5th. They've got 4 or 5 games in hand on all the California teams, so they should hopefully climb the standings once games resume.
That's also assuming they get the heads out of their asses
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And Saturday, it’s the Leafs v Blues.
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So after the Bruins play the Preds in the afternoon, they have to play the Leafs at night? They do doubleheaders in hockey?
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And Saturday, it’s the Leafs v Blues.
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So after the Bruins play the Preds in the afternoon, they have to play the Leafs at night? They do doubleheaders in hockey?
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You read as good as King types!! :lol
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:rollin
Oh my God, I'm fucking blind. :lol
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What, thu Fuque.
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Crazy back and forth game tonight in STL, as the Leafs snag one on the road. Winning goal was a weird one, but hey it all counts, right? The Blues need to tighten up defensively, but love seeing the young guys continue to produce on the score sheet.
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I’ll never get tired of watching the Rangers beat the Flyers. It’s not as personal as beating the Islanders or Devils, but seeing a team from Philly get put in their place always brings a smile to my face.
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Crazy back and forth game tonight in STL, as the Leafs snag one on the road. Winning goal was a weird one, but hey it all counts, right? The Blues need to tighten up defensively, but love seeing the young guys continue to produce on the score sheet.
Agreed... that was a really fun game to watch. Refs were kinda inconsistent, but towards both teams. There were some "missed" calls - arguable the 4th goal for the Blues was a result of a nice tackle/hold by a Blues player, but I wasn't too stuffed about it. Muzzin got away with a clear trip later in the period with the ref about 3 feet away from the play. And yeah ... that GWG was a stinker.
Rangers on Wednesday. Given the NJ game postponement on Monday, this will be a 2 week road trip, with it actually being 3 weeks between home games. I don't think the league can postpone anymore home games just because of the fan attendance limitations - which are supposed to be re-evaluated on the 26th.
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And Saturday, it’s the Leafs v Blues.
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So after the Bruins play the Preds in the afternoon, they have to play the Leafs at night? They do doubleheaders in hockey?
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You read as good as King types!! :lol
:lol :lol :lol
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Great news that Perron, Schenn, Tarasenko and Parayko are returning from COVID tonight - as opposed to Saturday.
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Great news that Perron, Schenn, Tarasenko and Parayko are returning from COVID tonight - as opposed to Saturday.
Yeah….no kidding!
The Blues are retiring Prongers number tonight. Man, watching those highlights I had forgot how freaking good he was. He was a beast!
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He was fucking dirty.
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He was fucking dirty.
That entire era was dirty. He fit right in.
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Kraken win their first shootout ever!
Sometimes...it's the little things. ;D
That was a seriously fun game to watch. I thought about going. Someone in my HOA was selling their tickets, but I just started a new job and haven't got my first paycheck yet. And the wife didn't want to risk Covid because she's having knee surgery next week and even a positive result would through a monkey wrench into the works.
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He was fucking dirty.
That entire era was dirty. He fit right in.
Scott Stevens would lose his mind in today's NHL.
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I loved Scott Stevens. I hated Chris Pronger. I never thought of Stevens as dirty. he'd line a guy up straight and if the guy had his head down, well, them's the breaks. Pronger's stickwork was a fucking joke.
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I mean if those guys did what they did in today's NHL, at best, the league probably would only fine them.
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I loved Scott Stevens. I hated Chris Pronger. I never thought of Stevens as dirty. he'd line a guy up straight and if the guy had his head down, well, them's the breaks. Pronger's stickwork was a fucking joke.
Sure he wasn't dirty. Lol
https://youtu.be/7JC7xyBuHrc
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I mean if those guys did what they did in today's NHL, at best, the league probably would only fine them.
He'd finish most games with about 5 minutes on the ice and 20+ PIM.
Dirty AF.
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I loved Scott Stevens. I hated Chris Pronger. I never thought of Stevens as dirty. he'd line a guy up straight and if the guy had his head down, well, them's the breaks. Pronger's stickwork was a fucking joke.
Sure he wasn't dirty. Lol
https://youtu.be/7JC7xyBuHrc
What's wrong with that.? You carry the puck over the offensive blue line, you keep your head up. I have NO PROBLEM with that hit. I mean, he put his shoulder into Lindros' face/head, but it's not like he leapt up to do so. It's just the way it lined up.
Unrelated...The only person happier than the Canes tonight is Jeremy Swayman. Rask getting shallacked in the first. 5-1!
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The elbow to the head maybe? Lol. It wasn't illegal back in the day but you know for damn sure the elbow was up for maximum damage and that is evil.
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The elbow to the head maybe? Lol. It wasn't illegal back in the day but you know for damn sure the elbow was up for maximum damage and that is evil.
Did you even watch the video? The elbow was NOT up. His shoulder gets Lindros in the jaw. Even Panger says so.
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Sure Tim. He wasn't going after the head at all. You're right. That was a clean hit.
I love snd miss the violence too but you can still go after a head, a knee. And it was back then.
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Sure Tim. He wasn't going after the head at all. You're right. That was a clean hit.
Was he targeting the head? I don't really think so. I mean, he wasn't avoiding the head. He lined the guy up. So be it. He didn't elbow him. His arm was against his body, and he hit him with a square shoulder. He didn't leap or extend. He just hit him square.
Was it clean? My opinion is....yes.
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Not sure how anyone could see that Stevens hit and think it was clean, but vision does start to go after we hit 45... :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Not sure how anyone could see that Stevens hit and think it was clean, but vision does start to go after we hit 45... :biggrin: :biggrin:
What was dirty about it?
Besides, I'm only 40.
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Watch the hit. If you can't see that it is dirty, then nothing I say will matter.
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Not sure how anyone could see that Stevens hit and think it was clean, but vision does start to go after we hit 45... :biggrin: :biggrin:
What was dirty about it?
Besides, I'm only 40.
Head hits make you lose a decade. :lol
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Watch the hit. If you can't see that it is dirty, then nothing I say will matter.
You haven't said anything though.
Did he charge?...NO
Did he elbow?...NO.
Did he leap or reach?..NO
He hit a guy with his head down with his SHOULDER. The fact that he caught him in the jaw doesn't matter. He hit Lindros laterally.
So now I've told you why I don't think it was dirty. Surely you can tell me why you think it is.
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I could be wrong, but I don't think he's defining "dirty" as "against the rules".
My personal take is this. (and I will put on my flame suit now) I personally believe that hits (checking) should be strategic. I personally hate the idea of going out with the full intent of causing someone to be carried off the ice. I understand that I'm operating in a moral grey area here...but I can't help how I feel about it. To me, the intent to cause harm, the intent to injure someone to the point of taking them out of the game is always "dirty" in my book, regardless of whether or not they are following the "rules".
TLDR - I hate "head hunters" on principle.
EDIT - I want to clarify that I did not always feel this way. When I was in my 20s, I followed the WHL Spokane Chiefs when they went on their 1991 minor league championship run. We had an "enforcer" named Topperoski who was THE BEAST of the entire minor league. Not a great defenseman, but when he was on the ice, he was only there to hurt and intimidate people. I loved him in my 20s. But I hate the whole idea now. Play the freaking game.
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Watch the hit. If you can't see that it is dirty, then nothing I say will matter.
You haven't said anything though.
Did he charge?...NO
Did he elbow?...NO.
Did he leap or reach?..NO
He hit a guy with his head down with his SHOULDER. The fact that he caught him in the jaw doesn't matter. He hit Lindros laterally.
So now I've told you why I don't think it was dirty. Surely you can tell me why you think it is.
See the bolded.
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Tim, I loved the violence of that era but saying that targeting the head was not dirty is disingenuous.
Illegal, no. Dirty, yes.
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But I don't think he targeted the head at all. He certainly didn't avoid it, but it was body on body.
@ Kev...you are choosing not to explain yourself.
@ J-dude...More than acceptable POV.
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Correct, and I stand by my choice. Some visual things do not need explaining.
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But I don't think he targeted the head at all. He certainly didn't avoid it, but it was body on body.
@ Kev...you are choosing not to explain yourself.
@ J-dude...More than acceptable POV.
If you watch that video again, they show replays that *prove* that it’s a pattern for him. He goes for that exact hit when he sees the opportunity to deliver it.
My interpretation is that he knows it’s a technically “legal” way to hurt and potentially injure someone.
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And of course Tim, I loved that type of punishment back in the day. Saying that many time, Stevens intent was to injury even though it was legal, it was dirty. I still loved it.
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If you watch that video again, they show replays that *prove* that it’s a pattern for him. He goes for that exact hit when he sees the opportunity to deliver it.
My interpretation is that he knows it’s a technically “legal” way to hurt and potentially injure someone.
I think there's still a difference between "intent to injure" and lining a guy up.
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Whistles...., not a good day for Rask. Makes me feel a bit better about yesterday's game between Kings/Sharks where Quick got lit up fast. Allowed 6 goals. Timo Meier scored five of those.
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And I agree Tim there are levels like Claude and Ulf. They are 150% dirty.
I just think if you played in a street hockey league and a guy lined you up with a shoulder to the head you'd call it dirty after you woke up.
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Yep, playing reckless can be dirty even if you aren't attempting to injure.
It's like if someone is driving 100 MPH on the highway and crashes into a car and kills a family of four. Even if their intent was not to crash into a car and kill people, the reckless behavior was dangerous (dirty in the sports context).
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Yep, playing reckless can be dirty even if you aren't attempting to injure.
It's like if someone is driving 100 MPH on the highway and crashes into a car and kills a family of four. Even if their intent was not to crash into a car and kill people, the reckless behavior was dangerous (dirty in the sports context).
Well…now you’re comparing something technically legal to something that is obviously illegal, so that doesn’t stick.
But OTOH, the reason they changed the rules in football (like going after a defenseless receiver for example) is because hits very similar to that video are what put Daryll Stingley in a wheelchair for life. Because they recognized that the “technically legal” hit that Jack Tatum (who was extremely well known at the time for going after those very punishing, but technically legal take down hits) were “dirty” even if they were within the rules.
For the younger ones here…this happened in a preseason game between the Patriots and the Raiders in 1978. You can read about it here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darryl_Stingley?wprov=sfti1 But I watched that hit, and that hockey clip we’re all referring to bears a strong resemblance.
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I watched that game live. I was almost 10.
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I watched that game live. I was almost 10.
Right? Me too! See? Just that memory alone should make you think twice. Legal doesn’t always mean “clean”.
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I absolutely HATE the old line, "keep your head up."
Is it a good idea to do so? Of course.
Does having your head down make it not dirty for someone else to put a forearm to your skull or whack you with a stick? Of course not.
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We know better nowadays... on so many things in life (not just hockey). Hitters like Stevens could not exist in today's NHL. He absolutely did hit with the intent to put someone out of the game. When you end the career of multiple A-List superstars, I don't see how that can be considered a good thing.
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We know better nowadays... on so many things in life (not just hockey). Hitters like Stevens could not exist in today's NHL.
Agree with both of these. Concussions weren’t well known about as much then as they are today. And a hitter like Stevens wouldn’t exist in today’s NHL given his style. I’m not sure of his intent to injure players rather than just intimidate other teams and make them think twice about coming onto his side of the zone. But given the frequency and number of victims he’s made during his career, it’s easy to understand why people think that way.
And this is coming from a Devils fan who idolized Stevens as a teen.
FWIW, I think this hit is much worse than the Lindros one:
https://youtu.be/3sR-hjR0sms
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I loved how tough he was as well. Intimidation for sure but there always was a target to obliterate an apposing players and his aim was to hit up high.
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We know better nowadays... on so many things in life (not just hockey). Hitters like Stevens could not exist in today's NHL.
Agree with both of these. Concussions weren’t well known about as much then as they are today. And a hitter like Stevens wouldn’t exist in today’s NHL given his style. I’m not sure of his intent to injure players rather than just intimidate other teams and make them think twice about coming onto his side of the zone. But given the frequency and number of victims he’s made during his career, it’s easy to understand why people think that way.
And this is coming from a Devils fan who idolized Stevens as a teen.
FWIW, I think this hit is much worse than the Lindros one:
https://youtu.be/3sR-hjR0sms
I knew that was going to be the Kariya hit. Given Stevens' history at that point in time in his career, nowadays that would be a lifetime ban! :lol hard to believe Kariya came back to score the goal that ultimately buried the Devils that game. Too bad they couldn't complete the Game 7 win.
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We know better nowadays... on so many things in life (not just hockey). Hitters like Stevens could not exist in today's NHL.
Agree with both of these. Concussions weren’t well known about as much then as they are today. And a hitter like Stevens wouldn’t exist in today’s NHL given his style. I’m not sure of his intent to injure players rather than just intimidate other teams and make them think twice about coming onto his side of the zone. But given the frequency and number of victims he’s made during his career, it’s easy to understand why people think that way.
And this is coming from a Devils fan who idolized Stevens as a teen.
FWIW, I think this hit is much worse than the Lindros one:
https://youtu.be/3sR-hjR0sms
I knew that was going to be the Kariya hit. Given Stevens' history at that point in time in his career, nowadays that would be a lifetime ban! :lol hard to believe Kariya came back to score the goal that ultimately buried the Devils that game. Too bad they couldn't complete the Game 7 win.
That was pretty much the last time I rooted for the team from Anaheim. Could not stand the '95-'03 Devils. Giguere was a ridiculous witch that season.
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Could not stand the '95-'03 Devils.
I can't say they were ever a team I find exciting to watch, but they did clown the Red Wings in the '95 Finals, so I have a little bit of a soft spot for them.
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Could not stand the '95-'03 Devils.
I can't say they were ever a team I find exciting to watch, but they did clown the Red Wings in the '95 Finals, so I have a little bit of a soft spot for them.
Fair. I didn't yet dislike the Wings at that point.
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Could not stand the '82-'22 Devils.
FTFM
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Damn that was a frustrating game to watch last night. Some very sloppy play by the Leafs, blowing a fourth 2-goal lead in 5 games during this road trip. 2-2-1 might seem like a respectable showing, considering 4 of the opponents are top 11 in the league, but when one of those losses is to Phoenix, and all four other games have seen them blow a 2nd or 3rd period 2-goal lead, it's pretty frustrating.
Shersterkin was a brick wall after letting in the 3rd goal, and Campbell was ordinary.
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Could not stand the '82-'22 Devils.
FTFM
:lol
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It's an every week ritual. The Bruins are on every Thursday night. To me, it's the perfect start to the weekend. So I sit down at 7 to pull the game up, and it's not on the Bruins' channel. Maybe it's national, they are playing the Caps after all.
Nope. It's on ESPN+. :censored :censored :censored
NHL...FUCK YOU!
What the fuck? This TV deal fucking blows.
So my only chance of seeing any of the game is through Live Drop Ins on the NHL Network, except that Mike Fucking Rupp is on tonight. Fuck him too. He hates the Bruins, although he did say that if they played Toronto in the 1st Round, they'd win. At least Weeksie is on to offset him. He loves Boston.
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The only reason I’m not more upset is because E+ came as a free package deal with D+ and Hulu with my cell phone contract.
I know that it’s kind of bull crap because that’s exactly what they want you to do, but free bundle is free bundle. So I guess it is what it is.
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Next year, I'm buying the Center Ice package.
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Rough night for the Kraken last night. :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Rough night for the Kraken last night. :biggrin: :biggrin:
Let me guess...they played the Blues?
(https://c.tenor.com/gaqcR3YbVh4AAAAC/oh-brother-judge-judy.gif)
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Rough night for the Kraken last night. :biggrin: :biggrin:
Let me guess...they played the Blues?
I knew you were smarter than you looked. :P :P
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I feel like we have a pretty tough schedule. Almost every time we play someone, all I hear are reports about how amazing the other team is and how difficult this is going to be.
I heard it last night with the Blues, and I’m hearing it more as we stare down the Panthers.
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Clark Gilles RIP.
The Islanders of the early 80's were easily my favorite team.
I snapped this pic of Clark Gilles just under 2 years ago at the Nassau Coliseum. All of their greats were on hand for Butch Goring's number retirement. You can see Bob Nystrom behind him.
(https://i.imgur.com/AywnSbF.jpg)
Oh, and today is Mike Bossy's birthday.
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Great picture Tim!
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Jets and Bruins are playing a Big Boy game today.
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I remember the Gilles name, as the Islanders were THE juggernaut when I was getting into hockey in the early 80s.
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Sigh.... i have an inside source in the oilers org, and he said the Oilers are having a set of kane jerseys made. Deal expected to be announced as soon as the NHL makes an announcement vis a vis their investigation. I truly despise this team sometimes.
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I mean they won the last two games against division rivals when they were at the low point. I honestly do hope Evander Kane can sort his personal affairs out.
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Sigh.... i have an inside source in the oilers org, and he said the Oilers are having a set of kane jerseys made. Deal expected to be announced as soon as the NHL makes an announcement vis a vis their investigation. I truly despise this team sometimes.
Dayum, dude. Of all the issues that the Oilers have at the moment, I fail to see how Evander Kane can be a net positive for any of them. The ONLY thing that might possibly make it palatable is if they sign him to a 1 or 2 year league minimum. Anything more, and it simply ain't worth the risk imo.
3-1 lead seems to be the Leafs' kryptonite. Thankfully they squeaked it out in a SO. They totally dominated the Ducks, who got Vezina-like goaltending out of Gibson, and gave the Ducks an own-goal. Gonna chalk this up as another character builder! :lol
Boston... ffs. I'm conflicted. I'm really starting to hate Colorado for some reason (probably Gary rubbing off on me). But, I still maintain my stance of ABB - Anyone But Boston. For every other team's sake, I hope the Avs are peaking now, cuz they look like they're gonna steamroll.
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Lol Edmonton. $1M/ 1 year... but because it’s so far into the season, cap hit is $2M. :rollin
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Lol Edmonton. $1M/ 1 year... but because it’s so far into the season, cap hit is $2M. :rollin
I thought it was prorated. I have not verified that anywhere, mind you
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Well, here's what it says on CapFriendly. So I guess for players that signs a contract at the halfway point, it will get adjusted to what it could have been if it was signed before the season began?
(https://i.imgur.com/y1TXu6v.png)
Edit: Also, another note. A solid Kings win against the Islanders today. Quinton Byfield scored his 1st goal today. Youngest guy since Drew Doughty in his 1st season to score a goal for the Kings and it was in Doughty's 1000th game. It's all coming together piece by piece.
https://twitter.com/LAKings/status/1486860876095242240
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Lol Edmonton. $1M/ 1 year... but because it’s so far into the season, cap hit is $2M. :rollin
I thought it was prorated. I have not verified that anywhere, mind you
Exactly. Just not pro-rated the way you thought. :lol
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Edit: Also, another note. A solid Kings win against the Islanders today. Quinton Byfield scored his 1st goal today. Youngest guy since Drew Doughty in his 1st season to score a goal for the Kings and it was in Doughty's 1000th game. It's all coming together piece by piece.
https://twitter.com/LAKings/status/1486860876095242240
5 out of 6 points in the three NY/NJ games is very nice (although the last couple minutes of that Islanders game was sloppy). Hope they keep it up in Pennsylvania over the weekend and Detroit on Tuesday before getting nearly two weeks off. Over that break they're going to need to figure out how to beat Western Conference teams. The Kings are 15-5-2 against the East but only 7-11-4 against the West and, after the break, 29 of their remaining 35 games will be against Western Conference teams. At least Petersen's been looking a little better in his last few games.
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14 wins by Colorado in January....most in that month by any team in NHL history. Good to see them starting to fulfill the expectations the pundits implied.
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14 wins by Colorado in January....most in that month by any team in NHL history. Good to see them starting to fulfill the expectations the pundits implied.
I mean I don't think it was ever in doubt that the Avs would make it to the playoffs. The doubt is whether or not they can fulfill getting pass the 2nd round. They are not yet at the levels of the Bolts or Golden Knights as contenders until the Avs make it to a conference finals in this current era.
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Yep, we have heard this song and dance about the Avs the last two years, and both times they went home in the second round. They are a paper champion in my book until they win a Cup.
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It's getting to the point where the Avs of this era have to be considered huge underachievers. Have they even made a CF?
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The last time the Avs made it past the 2nd round was also the last time the Leafs made it past the 2nd round, and we know how long that has been. :lol :lol
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The last time the Avs made it past the 2nd round was also the last time the Leafs made it past the 2nd round, and we know how long that has been. :lol :lol
No reason to go at Chad like that! :lol
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:lol
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The Knights/Bolts OT was :omg:
Followed by a 7 round shootout!
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It's getting to the point where the Avs of this era have to be considered huge underachievers. Have they even made a CF?
Like the 90s Blues?? :neverusethis:
P.S. And I typed that before I saw Kev's shot at the Leafs!! Who, as I remember, clowned the Blues about 10 days ago. :biggrin: :P
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Work has been kicking my ass so I’ve been less active, but just wanted to comment on how special Lundqvist’s jersey retirement ceremony was.
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Man, and I thought the Leafs were a ba 3rd period team. Detroit giving up 5 (albeit 2 EN). And they’d given up 4 in the 3rd just two games ago to Chicago. Leafs were sloppy the first two periods, but the Wings looked gassed by the third - it being the 2nd game of a b2b + travel from Pitt.
I’ll take the 2 points!
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The Wings have rarely played a full 60 minute game this season. Seems they either start slowly or fade in the third. The defense, outside of Moritz Seider and Gustav Lindstrom, is mostly hot garbage. Danny DeKeyser is done, Nick Leddy is getting cratered, Filip Hronek has the accuracy of a storm trooper, and Mark Staal is inconsistent at best. Simon Edvinsson is probably a year away, same with Albert Johansson. I think the Wings are starting to regress back to the mean after they had a decent start to the year. I think they’re a few years away from eliminating the Leafs in the first round. ;)
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It's getting to the point where the Avs of this era have to be considered huge underachievers. Have they even made a CF?
Like the 90s Blues?? :neverusethis:
P.S. And I typed that before I saw Kev's shot at the Leafs!! Who, as I remember, clowned the Blues about 10 days ago. :biggrin: :P
Colorado is annoying because they have yet to earn the accolades. When they win a big series or game then they can somewhat deserve the praise. Until then it’s all BS and handjobs.
And c’mon Chad…..you know as well as I do the Leafs beat the minor league Blues team that day. We (like many others) were down essentially half our regulars in that game and still could have won that game. But whatevs…..the main point is until Colorado actually does something to earn the smoke being blown up their asses it’ll continue to be annoying. They’ll bow out again this year early and next season be the cup favorites.
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Agree the Avs have underachieved in playoffs in recent years...I was just referring to this (regular) season. They started very slow.
But yes, they have to prove that they have grit commensurate with their talent level IN THE POSTSEASON. They need to understand you don't win the Stanley Cup on paper. In fact, if they don't have someone on the team that has won a Cup before (?)....maybe that should be their next move.
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Those Dallas 3rd jerseys look like they belong in a Tron movie.
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Those Dallas 3rd jerseys look like they belong in a Tron movie.
My eyes hurt when I see them.
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Like the Bruins play tonight.
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Ouch. I'm watching the football game. Had the B's on tape. Oh well, guess I won't have to bother.
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Sorry. Still can change but disappointing when I clicked over.
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Edit: Also, another note. A solid Kings win against the Islanders today. Quinton Byfield scored his 1st goal today. Youngest guy since Drew Doughty in his 1st season to score a goal for the Kings and it was in Doughty's 1000th game. It's all coming together piece by piece.
https://twitter.com/LAKings/status/1486860876095242240
5 out of 6 points in the three NY/NJ games is very nice (although the last couple minutes of that Islanders game was sloppy). Hope they keep it up in Pennsylvania over the weekend and Detroit on Tuesday before getting nearly two weeks off. Over that break they're going to need to figure out how to beat Western Conference teams. The Kings are 15-5-2 against the East but only 7-11-4 against the West and, after the break, 29 of their remaining 35 games will be against Western Conference teams. At least Petersen's been looking a little better in his last few games.
Three more points in two games in Pennsylvania, and we got two 10 a.m. games this weekend (as a result of which, I missed about the first quarter and a half of the Bengals/Chiefs game). Third place in the division -- a point behind the Sucks with a game in hand and two points out of first place. Not too shabby (although the Kings are only 5 points ahead of the Flames who have SIX games in hand). It'll be interesting to see how things change once some of these teams make up the missed games from December.
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I'm so frustrated on people bagging on the Pacific division being a weak division, while I'm sitting here thinking, "there's like 4 teams with games on hand and I need a lot of teams to lose if the Kings have a better shot at making it."
Like I'm sorry like all three other divisions has their playoff teams figured out by now, but I think it's probably for the better in a general stance that there are a couple of teams outside of the bubble in the West that still has a solid chance of making it.
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Another beauty 3rd period / 2-goal comeback by the Leafs.
Sorry, Bill.
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Our game against the Rangers last night just killed me. I really felt like we played them blow for blow. Then to fight so hard the whole game and finally tie it with one minute left to play just to blow it 30 seconds later. :facepalm:
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Our game against the Rangers last night just killed me. I really felt like we played them blow for blow. Then to fight so hard the whole game and finally tie it with one minute left to play just to blow it 30 seconds later. :facepalm:
Ouch... that hurts for sure. Rangers have done that at least a couple of times this year (did it with less than 5 seconds left against Buffalo.
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Our game against the Rangers last night just killed me. I really felt like we played them blow for blow. Then to fight so hard the whole game and finally tie it with one minute left to play just to blow it 30 seconds later. :facepalm:
Ouch... that hurts for sure. Rangers have done that at least a couple of times this year (did it with less than 5 seconds left against Buffalo.
It would be nice if the Rangers would just hold a lead. It’s frustrating for me to watch as well because I know that eventually the bounces in these close games are gonna start going the other way, and the Rangers inability to hold a lead is gonna come back to hurt them, especially come playoff time when the competition is tougher.
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Fucking WHO?
(https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/272883403_10158375777912466_4823478707222960567_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=c6kwvLV5UNAAX-duic8&tn=ZfSsT23eKKrFQwef&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=00_AT8wSwf5UuJL_tz67PBmua9VlkeDEo-__-Z6QXM3U2WShA&oe=61FFA473)
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:lol
No shit. Apparently Nicky Spanjaards wasn't available.
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People. That's who. You think that's bad. Machine Gun Kelly will be doing something there as well. Which one is worst? MGK or Green Day.
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People. That's who. You think that's bad. Machine Gun Kelly will be doing something there as well. Which one is worst? MGK or Green Day.
Machine Gun Kelly is worse. Green Day is actually good.
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Maybe these are big hitters/playas on the Vegas strip?
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Machine Gun Kelly will be doing something there as well. Which one is worst? MGK or Green Day.
Yeah...I saw a picture of...him (?)...I guess, and he was just referred to as "MGK." "Who?" was, once again the first thing out of my mouth.
Green Day has at least two songs I don't dislike, so....
Maybe these are big hitters/playas on the Vegas strip?
Playas? The Spanish word for beaches?
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MGK is wildly popular. I wouldn't expect his music to resonate on a prog forum though. Personally, I can't stand the guy or his music. He's currently feuding with Corey Taylor from Slipknot, so the internet algorithms keep sending me occasional MGK articles.
I have to admit that I'm very surprised by the scoring leaderboards this year. Huberdeau on top, Kadri in the top 5, Chris Kreider leading in goals...how is that even possible? Is anyone else surprised by this, or am I out to lunch?
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HEY! Whaddaya know!!! The first time I miss a game, and we had the first shutout in franchise history!!
Anyway, I’m happy for Grubauer. He’s been playing much more like his reputation suggested the last few games.
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All right, today was actually the last day of games before the All-Star break. A title change should be appropriate.
On second thought, at least the All-Star weekend gave us this moment. NSFW or maybe not suitable ever. Don't say I didn't warn you before clicking this link.
https://twitter.com/GrittyNHL/status/1489114311473524744
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How is Gritty both the best and worst mascot ever?
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So I totally get the fatigue of seemingly seeing the same teams in the Winter Classic. I mean, as an out of towner, how many times can I see the Blackhawks or the Capitals.....or the Bruins?
But apparently the Bruins will be hosting the 2023 Winter Classic at Fenway Park. As a homer, cool, but I totally understand someone not being into this. This will be the 4th Winter Classic appearance for Boston. The second since 2019, and the second at this venue.
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I mean it has been proven that you can get two non-original six teams and still draw a lot of tickets. 2020, you had Stars and Predators at the Cotton Bowl and that drew like 85k people. The 2nd largest attended Winter Classic game ever.
You know, if the Kings get a lot better in the next few years, I wouldn't mind if they get to host a Winter Classic (not a stadium series game) at a place like the USC Coliseum or Rose Bowl. Traffic would be horrible, as usual, but it would be a nice notch to add in addition to a lot of things that's happening in the LA area in the next couple of years. Super Bowl this year. Wrestlemania in 2023. Olympics in 2028.
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Good to see Kyrou take home the fastest skater! Good for him! First of many All Star games
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Good to see Kyrou take home the fastest skater! Good for him! First of many All Star games
Kempe was only 0.035 behind him. Didn't they used to do a final run between the top 2 skaters (like they did with that fountain thing)?
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Man alive that Carolina/Toronto game last night was the funnest most entertaining game of the season so far. Two incredibly evenly matched teams. Of course, it was nice to take the W.
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Tuukka Rask retires.
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Tuukka Rask retires.
Good thing you guys didn't deal Swayman!!!
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Marchand being his usual self lately, I see. What a trashbag of a human being that guy is.
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Marchand being his usual self lately, I see. What a trashbag of a human being that guy is.
Pretty much.
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Good riddance, Tippet.
Here's hoping Jay Woodcroft can turn this ship around. He's done very well with the AHL affiliate in Bakersfield.
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Good riddance, Tippet.
Here's hoping Jay Woodcroft can turn this ship around. He's done very well with the AHL affiliate in Bakersfield.
Somewhat overdue. The team's fall has been quite spectacular over the last 10 weeks.
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Well, I knew this day had to come eventually this season. The Flames are going to leapfrog everyone else to 2nd in the Pacific. They also have games in hand to probably leapfrog the Golden Knights. They'd be a team that I'm more nervous playing against than the Oilers. They are playing Darryl Sutter hockey to the fullest atm and that's probably a recipe for a deep playoff run they've been looking for in this era.
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At this point, i don't think anyone is afraid of the Oilers. The offense can be lethal, no doubt, but right now even that part of their game is missing. Chad put it best: spectacular. And this truly has been a spectacle.
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Well, I knew this day had to come eventually this season. The Flames are going to leapfrog everyone else to 2nd in the Pacific. They also have games in hand to probably leapfrog the Golden Knights. They'd be a team that I'm more nervous playing against than the Oilers. They are playing Darryl Sutter hockey to the fullest atm and that's probably a recipe for a deep playoff run they've been looking for in this era.
The Flames are legit. And Markstrom is a stud - 46 saves, and a lot of them really good chances. The Leafs were unfortunate to hit 2 posts last night, and Campbell was fairly ordinary - hopefully he can get back to his all-star form... because it's (ironically) been since the day he was given the All-Star nod that he's completely tanked.
In other news, the Coyotes are now a University team. How can the league allow a franchise to play in a 5000 seat capacity arena!?!?! For three years! There's no way that team can be profitable. Just move them to Houston already.
The good news is that Boston's looking like a bit of a mess.
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This is why hockey is the ultimate team sport.
In basketball, if you have a top player, you are almost guaranteed to contend every season.
In football, if you have a top QB, you are almost guaranteed to contend nearly every season.
Meanwhile, the Oilers have had Connor McDavid for seven seasons now, have won one playoff series, and are trending to miss the playoffs outright this season.
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The Blues are a 'good' team but still short one quality Defenseman.....maybe two to be any sort of threat. Whether the GM wants to admit it or not....losing Petrangelo to free agency really gutted the D. While I still think that Vegas contract was a HORRIBLE contract for them......in the first few years it's not and he's proving why. Armstrong (and honestly me too) believe Paryako was ready to step up and fill that void/role but I don't think it's possible. Paryako is pretty good....but, he just can't get to that next level. The hole Petro leaving left is being felt still.
And....on another note.....Jordan Binnington is a train wreck. He's playing like he was 5th in the depth chart in the organizations goaltending roster which he was. I LOVE and appreciate that magic of 2019....it was awesome to watch and experience as a fan. Will always be thankful the dude showed up and was just lights out for two months and spearheaded that Championship Run. BUT....since then he's been average 'at best' and that's being nice. Horrid positioning and he allows at least two 'soft' goals a game. Just looks lost and like he's never played goal. Ken Hitchcock years ago called him 'swiss cheese' when describing him....saying he had hoes everywhere and it was spot on.
Ville Husso who 'was' the heir apparent back then but was hurt and that led to Binningtons chance.....is now healthy and playing lights out. I think at last glance he had a 1.3 or so GA %. Solid positioning and makes ALL the saves he should...where Binnington is now questionable that he can stop any shot that doesn't hit him in the chest.
Husso is a free agent after this season and the Blues signed Binnington to a 6 year deal at $6mil a year :omg: First three years full no trade clause. So, in short....we're :censored Unless Binnington somehow snaps out of it but I have zero confidence that happens. I think we're seeing the 'real' Binnington now and we're stuck with a 2A goalie that's earning 1A+ money.
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This is why hockey is the ultimate team sport.
In basketball, if you have a top player, you are almost guaranteed to contend every season.
In football, if you have a top QB, you are almost guaranteed to contend nearly every season.
Meanwhile, the Oilers have had Connor McDavid for seven seasons now, have won one playoff series, and are trending to miss the playoffs outright this season.
Tell that to Matthew Stafford
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This is why hockey is the ultimate team sport.
In basketball, if you have a top player, you are almost guaranteed to contend every season.
In football, if you have a top QB, you are almost guaranteed to contend nearly every season.
Meanwhile, the Oilers have had Connor McDavid for seven seasons now, have won one playoff series, and are trending to miss the playoffs outright this season.
Tell that to Matthew Stafford
I think you've proved Kev's point by referencing Stafford.
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This is why hockey is the ultimate team sport.
In basketball, if you have a top player, you are almost guaranteed to contend every season.
In football, if you have a top QB, you are almost guaranteed to contend nearly every season.
Meanwhile, the Oilers have had Connor McDavid for seven seasons now, have won one playoff series, and are trending to miss the playoffs outright this season.
Tell that to Matthew Stafford
I think you've proved Kev's point by referencing Stafford.
No because Matthew Stafford was a fantastic quarterback on a horrible team that could not get to the Super Bowl until he actually had a TEAM.
So I’m disputing the claim that a fantastic quarterback can get to the Super Bowl without a team.
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This is why hockey is the ultimate team sport.
In basketball, if you have a top player, you are almost guaranteed to contend every season.
In football, if you have a top QB, you are almost guaranteed to contend nearly every season.
Meanwhile, the Oilers have had Connor McDavid for seven seasons now, have won one playoff series, and are trending to miss the playoffs outright this season.
The thing is, McDavid is easily the best player on the ice whenever he is out there. How many shifts a game does he get? He's probably inches away from scoring on at least a third of them.
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Hey Kev.
How's the Packers?
How's the Angels?
How's the Nets?
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This is why hockey is the ultimate team sport.
In basketball, if you have a top player, you are almost guaranteed to contend every season.
In football, if you have a top QB, you are almost guaranteed to contend nearly every season.
Meanwhile, the Oilers have had Connor McDavid for seven seasons now, have won one playoff series, and are trending to miss the playoffs outright this season.
Tell that to Matthew Stafford
I think you've proved Kev's point by referencing Stafford.
No because Matthew Stafford was a fantastic quarterback on a horrible team that could not get to the Super Bowl until he actually had a TEAM.
So I’m disputing the claim that a fantastic quarterback can get to the Super Bowl without a team.
Eh, at no point during his career in Detroit was Stafford considered a fantastic QB (and it would be revisionist history to now say that he was). He was usually considered a good QB on a bad franchise, and many thought he was a stat padder who racked up good numbers at times due to always losing and having to throw it a lot in the 2nd halves of games.
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Hey Kev.
How's the Packers?
How's the Angels?
How's the Nets?
Um, what?
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This is why hockey is the ultimate team sport.
In basketball, if you have a top player, you are almost guaranteed to contend every season.
In football, if you have a top QB, you are almost guaranteed to contend nearly every season.
Meanwhile, the Oilers have had Connor McDavid for seven seasons now, have won one playoff series, and are trending to miss the playoffs outright this season.
Tell that to Matthew Stafford
I think you've proved Kev's point by referencing Stafford.
No because Matthew Stafford was a fantastic quarterback on a horrible team that could not get to the Super Bowl until he actually had a TEAM.
So I’m disputing the claim that a fantastic quarterback can get to the Super Bowl without a team.
Eh, at no point during his career in Detroit was Stafford considered a fantastic QB (and it would be revisionist history to now say that he was). He was usually considered a good QB on a bad franchise, and many thought he was a stat padder who racked up good numbers at times due to always losing and having to throw it a lot in the 2nd halves of games.
We might be just talking past each other a bit here. Were almost saying the same thing but trying to make different points.
My point is that a quarterback needs a team in order to make him great. Be honest. What do you think Tom Brady would’ve looked like if he was playing for the Lions? Do you honestly think that he could have dragged them into the Super Bowl all by himself? I would say absolutely no. He would’ve looked like a good QB on a bad team who often had to pad his stats by throwing so often in the second half because they were losing the game.
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We might be just talking past each other a bit here. Were almost saying the same thing but trying to make different points.
My point is that a quarterback needs a team in order to make him great. Be honest. What do you think Tom Brady would’ve looked like if he was playing for the Lions? Do you honestly think that he could have dragged them into the Super Bowl all by himself? I would say absolutely no. He would’ve looked like a good QB on a bad team who often had to pad his stats by throwing so often in the second half because they were losing the game.
I agree, but dragging them to the Super Bowl is not the same thing as contending nearly every season, which is what I said about the NFL earlier. I would say if you are in the playoffs, you are a contender. Barring a sudden turnaround, the Oilers will have missed the playoffs in 4 of 7 seasons with Connor (and a higher percentage of teams make the playoffs in hockey than in football). I doubt you'll find a QB this century who was considered a top one and saw his team miss the playoffs in the majority of his seasons, unless we want to count Rivers as a top QB, and that might be fun just to see Stadler's head explode. ;) :P Heck, the Saints had a below average defense for the majority of the seasons where they had Brees, yet made the playoffs in 9 of his 15 seasons there. Since becoming a starter, Brady only missed the playoffs once (not counting 2008 when he played less than a game). Peyton Manning missed the playoffs only twice (one of which was his rookie season after getting drafted by a 3-13 team). Rodgers has made the playoffs in 11 of his 14 seasons as a starter (and one of the three he missed was when he was hurt and missed most of the season). R Wilson has made the playoffs in 8 of his 10 seasons.
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I'm confused.
Watched the Bruins play in Ottawa this afternoon...no fans.
Watching the Leafs-Canucks in Vancouver tonight...fans!
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I'd assume each providence is like states here. Each have their own governing rules for covid.
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Providence :lol
Joe, don't ever stop being you. :lol
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I believe in a couple of days, Ontario is going to give the ok to let half capacity in which will help the Leafs and Senators attendance. Don't think you would see much of a difference in the Senators attendance, but that Leafs revenue it generates for their home games is really juicy and needed.
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Oops.
Oh I mean, "Oops eh?"
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I believe in a couple of days, Ontario is going to give the ok to let half capacity in which will help the Leafs and Senators attendance. Don't think you would see much of a difference in the Senators attendance, but that Leafs revenue it generates for their home games is really juicy and needed.
Pretty sure the Leafs have half the attendance in Vancouver tonight. :lol
Oops.
Oh I mean, "Oops eh?"
;D
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I'm confused.
Watched the Bruins play in Ottawa this afternoon...no fans.
Watching the Leafs-Canucks in Vancouver tonight...fans!
If you'd have watch the Raptors play at home to the Nuggets .... no fans.
Feb 21st, Ontario is allowing arena's to go to 50% capacity; 100% capacity is March 14.
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The Blues are a 'good' team but still short one quality Defenseman.....maybe two to be any sort of threat. Whether the GM wants to admit it or not....losing Petrangelo to free agency really gutted the D. While I still think that Vegas contract was a HORRIBLE contract for them......in the first few years it's not and he's proving why. Armstrong (and honestly me too) believe Paryako was ready to step up and fill that void/role but I don't think it's possible. Paryako is pretty good....but, he just can't get to that next level. The hole Petro leaving left is being felt still.
And....on another note.....Jordan Binnington is a train wreck. He's playing like he was 5th in the depth chart in the organizations goaltending roster which he was. I LOVE and appreciate that magic of 2019....it was awesome to watch and experience as a fan. Will always be thankful the dude showed up and was just lights out for two months and spearheaded that Championship Run. BUT....since then he's been average 'at best' and that's being nice. Horrid positioning and he allows at least two 'soft' goals a game. Just looks lost and like he's never played goal. Ken Hitchcock years ago called him 'swiss cheese' when describing him....saying he had hoes everywhere and it was spot on.
Ville Husso who 'was' the heir apparent back then but was hurt and that led to Binningtons chance.....is now healthy and playing lights out. I think at last glance he had a 1.3 or so GA %. Solid positioning and makes ALL the saves he should...where Binnington is now questionable that he can stop any shot that doesn't hit him in the chest.
Husso is a free agent after this season and the Blues signed Binnington to a 6 year deal at $6mil a year :omg: First three years full no trade clause. So, in short....we're :censored Unless Binnington somehow snaps out of it but I have zero confidence that happens. I think we're seeing the 'real' Binnington now and we're stuck with a 2A goalie that's earning 1A+ money.
This is pretty much on the money, sadly.
If the Blues think they have a realistic shot to win the Cup this season, they have to go with Husso down the stretch. He is playing fantastic, and Binnington looks broken.
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VAN-TOR was a fantastic game last night - except for the outcome. Leafs run into a stone-wall masquerading as an NHL goaltender for the 2nd game in a row. Completely out-classed 18 of the Canucks last night, but Demko was incredible. Leafs had somewhere close to 80 shot attempts. Towards the end of the 3rd, it was clear they were looking to make the 'perfect' shot to beat Demko, cuz they missed the net a lot. I tell ya, just get it on net, and good (ie, greasy) things can happen. Tough to lose that one in regular time.
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Man, I love watching Moritz Seider play hockey. He’s getting better as the season goes on, and he had some dominant stretches of play in the Red Wings’ home and home against the Flyers this past week. 3 of his 5 goals have been game winners, and he’s leading the Red Wings, and I think all rookies, in TOI. He should be the favorite for the Calder at this point.
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I believe in a couple of days, Ontario is going to give the ok to let half capacity in which will help the Leafs and Senators attendance. Don't think you would see much of a difference in the Senators attendance, but that Leafs revenue it generates for their home games is really juicy and needed.
When I first read this, I thought you were talking about the Reign and thought, "how the heck would that help the Leafs and Senators?!" :lol :lol
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VAN-TOR was a fantastic game last night - except for the outcome. Leafs run into a stone-wall masquerading as an NHL goaltender for the 2nd game in a row. Completely out-classed 18 of the Canucks last night, but Demko was incredible. Leafs had somewhere close to 80 shot attempts. Towards the end of the 3rd, it was clear they were looking to make the 'perfect' shot to beat Demko, cuz they missed the net a lot. I tell ya, just get it on net, and good (ie, greasy) things can happen. Tough to lose that one in regular time.
That was a great game. The Leafs were laying it on thick for the last 10 minutes.
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VAN-TOR was a fantastic game last night - except for the outcome. Leafs run into a stone-wall masquerading as an NHL goaltender for the 2nd game in a row. Completely out-classed 18 of the Canucks last night, but Demko was incredible. Leafs had somewhere close to 80 shot attempts. Towards the end of the 3rd, it was clear they were looking to make the 'perfect' shot to beat Demko, cuz they missed the net a lot. I tell ya, just get it on net, and good (ie, greasy) things can happen. Tough to lose that one in regular time.
That was a great game. The Leafs were laying it on thick for the last 10 40 minutes.
Fix'd. They outshot them something like 41-13 in the 2nd & 3rd period.
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what the hell, Team USA!?!?!?! Guess when it's not best-on-best, there's a lot more parity.
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what the hell, Team Canada!?!?!?! Guess when it's not best-on-best, there's a lot more parity.
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what the hell, Team Canada!?!?!?! Guess when it's not best-on-best, there's a lot more parity.
I haven't watched a single minute of the olympic tournament. Without the NHL players it's worse than the WC, which aren't great in their own regard. Give me a World Cup dammit!
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what the hell, Team Canada!?!?!?! Guess when it's not best-on-best, there's a lot more parity.
I haven't watched a single minute of the olympic tournament. Without the NHL players it's worse than the WC, which aren't great in their own regard. Give me a World Cup dammit!
I watched most of Canada-USA, but that's about it. The timezones are the bigger issue for me, but overall, I don't disagree as it relates to my level of enthusiasm. The women's game will be more appealing.
Hopefully things get nailed down for a World Cup in 2024 as the rumours are starting to percolate.
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what the hell, Team Canada!?!?!?! Guess when it's not best-on-best, there's a lot more parity.
I haven't watched a single minute of the olympic tournament. Without the NHL players it's worse than the WC, which aren't great in their own regard. Give me a World Cup dammit!
I haven't watched a single minute of the olympics period. Zero desire to. Pro Hockey athletes competing was the only draw for me.....everything else I have no interest in. Never mind the political aspect of it with the whole world turning a blind eye to the crap that government puts it's citizens (i use that term loosely) through.
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I think I'm in the minority because NHL players in the Olympics does not spike my interest in any way.
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I think I'm in the minority because NHL players in the Olympics does not spike my interest in any way.
Agree. It was more fun when it was amateurs. The U.S. beat the big bad Soviet team in 1980! Yay! The U.S. then sucked for 3-4 straight games. We'd better get professionals in the Olympics! The U.S. got the bronze medal in basketball at the 1988 Olympics (after having won every prior Olympic men's basketball tournament except the boycott year and the controversial 1972 game)?! That's not acceptable. Better get professionals in there! At least in ice hockey, there are other teams as good at or better than the U.S., but having professionals makes it BORING. And, while I enjoy watching the women's games, only once has a country other than Canada or the U.S. won gold or silver, and only five countries have EVER won any medal.
I don't really understand curling, but I find it oddly mesmerizing. Ski jumping is really cool, as are biathlon, bobsled, luge and skeleton. Unfortunately, stuff I REALLY don't like gets a TON of air time (figure skating and the X-Games events).
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The ice hockey tournament isn't amateurs though. It's just lower caliber professionals who can no longer compete in the best league. I'd rather have the best professionals. I don't even want to consider what the tournament would look like with true amateurs. Each country's world junior team? Retired pros?
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The ice hockey tournament isn't amateurs though. It's just lower caliber professionals who can no longer compete in the best league. I'd rather have the best professionals. I don't even want to consider what the tournament would look like with true amateurs. Each country's world junior team? Retired pros?
Or haven't yet made it up to the show full-time (eg, Owen Power / Mason Marchment).
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Also, on the ROC side of things, I believe their team composes of the best players from the KHL league (which is apparently the 2nd most prolific league in the world after the NHL).
Otherwise, without NHL players in the tournament, it mainly be guys that's old and can't crack a NHL roster spot nowadays, players that's playing in other European leagues, college kids that's unsigned, or draft prospects that does not have a contract with a NHL team yet. On top of that, the coaching staff on the USA or Canada team are naturally also guys that can't get a role in a NHL team nowadays.
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Well, these are all complaints that arise once you let the Pros in in the first place. I actually lost interest once the Pros started taking part.
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In all fairness, what people are really looking for is the best players from the main countries compete against each other. They don't really mind if it's on an Olympic platform or otherwise, they just want to see the best rosters these countries had to offer. People wants a loaded roster full of superstars compete against each other, country vs country.
Also, in other news, a few days back, Tyler Toffoli got traded to Calgary and Montreal got some picks and stuff. Toffoli already off to a good start with the Flames and scored a goal yesterday. Another ex-King on Darryl Sutter's Flames. I'm nervous. Plus the Oilers are starting to get their stuff together with their new coach. Clamped down all right in yesterday's game against the Kings and Mike Smith had a solid game against them after giving up the first goal. This is so nerve-wracking and all I can really hope for is that the Kings can only play up to what they should be against tough opposition.
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Well, these are all complaints that arise once you let the Pros in in the first place. I actually lost interest once the Pros started taking part.
Exactly. No one complained because Gretzky and Marcel Dionne weren't at the 1980 games.
Also, in other news, a few days back, Tyler Toffoli got traded to Calgary and Montreal got some picks and stuff. Toffoli already off to a good start with the Flames and scored a goal yesterday. Another ex-King on Darryl Sutter's Flames. I'm nervous. Plus the Oilers are starting to get their stuff together with their new coach. Clamped down all right in yesterday's game against the Kings and Mike Smith had a solid game against them after giving up the first goal. This is so nerve-wracking and all I can really hope for is that the Kings can only play up to what they should be against tough opposition.
Both Calgary and Edmonton have leapfrogged the Kings. Not surprising. It's also not surprising that the Kings looked flat last night. It had been 13 days since the Kings last played a game, while the Oilers had played four games over the same span. The Kings need to step it up against the Western Conference because that's the bulk of their schedule from here on out).
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PG and TAC... you need to start your posts with "back in my day..." Holy crap. You're worse than Torts!
Kings fans ... you should be worried, especially with Eichel returning tonight. I wish that game was being broadcast in Canada.
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I wish that game was being broadcast in Canada.
No game is broadcast anywhere this season! >:(
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Jim Craig was from my hometown. In fact, his sister lived up the street from us. He used to jog by the house on his way to the beach and if we were out front playing football of something, he'd catch a couple of passes with us.
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Kings fans ... you should be worried, especially with Eichel returning tonight. I wish that game was being broadcast in Canada.
I am worried. Kings play Vegas on Friday. Nothing they can go about it except play up to what they can be. At least, Mark Stone is not in the Vegas line-up. Nagging injury where he needs to be put on LTIR so that they can play Eichel. Ain't the LTIR concept fun?
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Kings fans ... you should be worried, especially with Eichel returning tonight. I wish that game was being broadcast in Canada.
I am worried. Kings play Vegas on Friday. Nothing they can go about it except play up to what they can be. At least, Mark Stone is not in the Vegas line-up. Nagging injury where he needs to be put on LTIR so that they can play Eichel. Ain't the LTIR concept fun?
Between how Anaheim has been playing, Vancouver is surely going to have a better 2nd half than they did the first, and Dallas has to decide if they're going to go for it, or trade Pavelski .... lots of pressure coming up from the rear.
And it wouldn't surprise me if Vegas plays Stone's LTIR just like Tampa did with Kuch last year.
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That's their intention. Eichel is probably playing today.
https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1494073205547483142
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If you ain't cheatin... you ain't tryin.
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Some do it better than others. On the flip side, Golden Knights does not even have the most amount over the cap in the league. Habs is $11.8M over the cap and they are at the low point right now.
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Pretty wretched officiating going on in Montreal tonight. Blues have been called for 4 soft ass penalties and Canadians 1. Really bad calls.
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Matthews is a REAL hockey player now. Dude was defending/chasing down Crosby around the net, and completely missed where the net was, and went face first into the corner of the post/crossbar. Lost a chicklet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yqYprcvp5Q
Otherwise, real solid game by the Leafs to put down another top-tier team.
Bring on the Blues! It's go-time Gary
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Bring on the Blues! It's go-time Gary
What sucks is that I'm sure Binnington will be back in net given Husso has had the last few starts. I would love to see Berube sit Binnington again and let Husso keep playing. Kid looks great.
And I still can't believe that the Rangers traded Pavel Buchnevich to us for Sammy Blais. That was highway robbery. That dude has been playing great.....far superior player compared to Blais even when Blais was playing his best.
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Bring on the Blues! It's go-time Gary
What sucks is that I'm sure Binnington will be back in net given Husso has had the last few starts. I would love to see Berube sit Binnington again and let Husso keep playing. Kid looks great.
And I still can't believe that the Rangers traded Pavel Buchnevich to us for Sammy Blais. That was highway robbery. That dude has been playing great.....far superior player compared to Blais even when Blais was playing his best.
I was definitely upset about that trade. Thankfully he was traded to a team I actually like. I hope you guys enjoy him.
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Bring on the Blues! It's go-time Gary
Chad, get ready for some favorable calls for the Leafs! :lol
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Bring on the Blues! It's go-time Gary
Chad, get ready for some favorable calls for the Leafs! :lol
You know it! :lol
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Bring on the Blues! It's go-time Gary
What sucks is that I'm sure Binnington will be back in net given Husso has had the last few starts. I would love to see Berube sit Binnington again and let Husso keep playing. Kid looks great.
And I still can't believe that the Rangers traded Pavel Buchnevich to us for Sammy Blais. That was highway robbery. That dude has been playing great.....far superior player compared to Blais even when Blais was playing his best.
I was definitely upset about that trade. Thankfully he was traded to a team I actually like. I hope you guys enjoy him.
He's been playing with Tarasenko and Robert Thomas and they are in sync nearly every shift.
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Bring on the Blues! It's go-time Gary
Chad, get ready for some favorable calls for the Leafs! :lol
Leafs have been dynamite on special teams. Perfect on the PK last night, with their 7th shortie of the year. They must've had 4 or 5 2-on-1s on the PK. Sportsnet flashed a stat that they currently have the highest combined PP + PK % in the last 40 years ... 115% something (31% on the PP; 83% something on the PK).
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Bring on the Blues! It's go-time Gary
Chad, get ready for some favorable calls for the Leafs! :lol
Leafs have been dynamite on special teams. Perfect on the PK last night, with their 7th shortie of the year. They must've had 4 or 5 2-on-1s on the PK. Sportsnet flashed a stat that they currently have the highest combined PP + PK % in the last 40 years ... 115% something (31% on the PP; 83% something on the PK).
Should be a good matchup then because the Blues are 5th in PK and Second in PP (behind the Leafs)
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Bring on the Blues! It's go-time Gary
Chad, get ready for some favorable calls for the Leafs! :lol
Leafs have been dynamite on special teams. Perfect on the PK last night, with their 7th shortie of the year. They must've had 4 or 5 2-on-1s on the PK. Sportsnet flashed a stat that they currently have the highest combined PP + PK % in the last 40 years ... 115% something (31% on the PP; 83% something on the PK).
Should be a good matchup then because the Blues are 5th in PK and Second in PP (behind the Leafs)
Holy crap... didn't realize that. And the Leafs are 6th in PK, right behind the Blues!
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Well, the Kings won back to back games against the Golden Knights and Coyotes. Had to come back to a two-goal deficit in both games to get there. This is going to be an interesting foot race at this point in the West. A lot of teams in the Wild Card picture is all bunched up, especially in the Pacific. All I can say is that I'm happy that the Kings are in the picture which is really where I wanted them to be in this season.
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Bring on the Blues! It's go-time Gary
Chad, get ready for some favorable calls for the Leafs! :lol
Well, the opposite was true. I'm not complaining about the officiating but ... (see below). The Blues deserved the win last night. It was a very evenly matched game, but the Blues got the better goaltending. Campbell gave up a fat rebound, directing a blocker save directly on the tape to Buchnevich. The other goals weren't soft or anything, but could've been stoppable.
As for the zebras, late in the 2nd tied at 3-3, Sandin was coming to the net to bury a loose puck from a rebound, and took a pretty solid hook/slash to the hands. It was a sure-fire goal, and in todays NHL, it's a 100% penalty. Blues got away with one there. Also, on the same shift that the Blues got the 4-3 go-ahead goal, they should've been called for too many men. Normally I wouldn't even think twice or mention it (because it was very close), but the Leafs got called for virtually the exact same - new player touched the puck while exiting player was still about 4-5 feet from the bench. Another one they got away with - and then scored the go-ahead goal later that shift.
Blues were the beneficiaries of the officiating last night.
But, a very evenly matched game regardless.
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I thought it was a perfectly officiated game. :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Bring on the Blues! It's go-time Gary
Chad, get ready for some favorable calls for the Leafs! :lol
Well, the opposite was true. I'm not complaining about the officiating but ... (see below). The Blues deserved the win last night. It was a very evenly matched game, but the Blues got the better goaltending. Campbell gave up a fat rebound, directing a blocker save directly on the tape to Buchnevich. The other goals weren't soft or anything, but could've been stoppable.
As for the zebras, late in the 2nd tied at 3-3, Sandin was coming to the net to bury a loose puck from a rebound, and took a pretty solid hook/slash to the hands. It was a sure-fire goal, and in todays NHL, it's a 100% penalty. Blues got away with one there. Also, on the same shift that the Blues got the 4-3 go-ahead goal, they should've been called for too many men. Normally I wouldn't even think twice or mention it (because it was very close), but the Leafs got called for virtually the exact same - new player touched the puck while exiting player was still about 4-5 feet from the bench. Another one they got away with - and then scored the go-ahead goal later that shift.
Blues were the beneficiaries of the officiating last night.
But, a very evenly matched game regardless.
Not a great year for officiating. When the Blues played Montreal the other night it looked as if the refs decided before the game they were goi g to call everything on the Blues. It’s tough when game to game you have no idea what’s going to happen. You can only hope that the refs aren’t the deciding factor.
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Well, the Kings won back to back games against the Golden Knights and Coyotes. Had to come back to a two-goal deficit in both games to get there. This is going to be an interesting foot race at this point in the West. A lot of teams in the Wild Card picture is all bunched up, especially in the Pacific. All I can say is that I'm happy that the Kings are in the picture which is really where I wanted them to be in this season.
I'm happy that they're all within a couple games played of each other (except the Sucks, on whom everyone has at least two games in hand). Now it's just a matter of winning games.
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So it was recently announced that the Bruins will be hosting the Winter Classic at Fenway against a yet unnamed opponent. Local sports radio is assuming that it will be the Penguins, as the Fenway Sports Group (yes, the Red Sox ownership) recently bought an ownership stake in the Pens.
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Who the hell is Mike Kelly and why does he zoom in for analysis for the NHL Network's On The Fly? As much as I can't stand Mike Rupp, can we at least have a real analysist in studio for the show instead of this nerd?
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So it was recently announced that the Bruins will be hosting the Winter Classic at Fenway against a yet unnamed opponent. Local sports radio is assuming that it will be the Penguins, as the Fenway Sports Group (yes, the Red Sox ownership) recently bought an ownership stake in the Pens.
Same damn teams over and over and over and over....
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So it was recently announced that the Bruins will be hosting the Winter Classic at Fenway against a yet unnamed opponent. Local sports radio is assuming that it will be the Penguins, as the Fenway Sports Group (yes, the Red Sox ownership) recently bought an ownership stake in the Pens.
Same damn teams over and over and over and over....
I agree completely.
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So it was recently announced that the Bruins will be hosting the Winter Classic at Fenway against a yet unnamed opponent. Local sports radio is assuming that it will be the Penguins, as the Fenway Sports Group (yes, the Red Sox ownership) recently bought an ownership stake in the Pens.
Same damn teams over and over and over and over....
I agree completely.
I mean. This year had Wild/Blues and 2020 had Stars/Predators. At that point, I'm sure the NHL is like, all right, enough catering to the Central teams, we threw them their bone. Let's go back Northeast.
I want the Pacific to get some love on that end. I don't think Vegas has an outdoors stadium or the football stadium they have is built to have outdoor settings though.
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So it was recently announced that the Bruins will be hosting the Winter Classic at Fenway against a yet unnamed opponent. Local sports radio is assuming that it will be the Penguins, as the Fenway Sports Group (yes, the Red Sox ownership) recently bought an ownership stake in the Pens.
Same damn teams over and over and over and over....
I agree completely.
I mean. This year had Wild/Blues and 2020 had Stars/Predators. At that point, I'm sure the NHL is like, all right, enough catering to the Central teams, we threw them their bone. Let's go back Northeast.
I want the Pacific to get some love on that end. I don't think Vegas has an outdoors stadium or the football stadium they have is built to have outdoor settings though.
Ya think? We saw the disaster that Lake Tahoe was, and that was just because the skies were clear. Imagine clear blue skies AND 85F weather.
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They have actually played an outdoor game in Vegas. Went pretty well from what I recall.
And they COULD do it at the UNLV stadium. They did it at Dodger Stadium, so why not?
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You could go west and still go someplace that’s cold in the winter. (Says the guy from the Pacific Northwest)
Especially since we are the home of a brand new expansion team, I don’t see why T-Mobile park (where the Mariners play) shouldn’t be in the discussion.
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You could go west and still go someplace that’s cold in the winter. (Says the guy from the Pacific Northwest)
Especially since we are the home of a brand new expansion team, I don’t see why T-Mobile park (where the Mariners play) shouldn’t be in the discussion.
I don't disagree, although this is all rather academic to me. I thought long and hard about going to the game at Dodger Stadium but ultimately decided against it because it seemed virtually certain that the view would be shit, and I didn't feel like paying the bloated ticket prices just for the experience of dealing with Dodger Stadium parking and DTLA traffic just to say I was there. I've actually gotten a bit bored with whole outdoor game thing, even from a TV viewing standpoint.
On another subject, and this is several days late, congrats to Finland for winning its first ever ice hockey gold medal!!!
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Meanwhile, the NHL might as well have just released a statement saying, "We love us some Nathan McKinnon," after giving him a pass for his two-handed slash of an on-ice official.
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They didn't even mention him by name in their statement regarding the incident. He's sitting out a game for a lower body injury anyway.
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Meanwhile, the NHL might as well have just released a statement saying, "We love us some Nathan McKinnon," after giving him a pass for his two-handed slash of an on-ice official.
He’s the star player on the new darlings of the league…..he was never going to get in trouble.
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Meanwhile, the NHL might as well have just released a statement saying, "We love us some Nathan McKinnon," after giving him a pass for his two-handed slash of an on-ice official.
Yeah, I saw that video, and have no idea how they could conclude he was aiming for the opposing player. And EVEN if he was, he still should've been suspended.
Just imagine if that was Marchand or Wilson, it would've been 20 games before they even changed their shift.
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Another win for the Kings yesterday against the Coyotes, in the same building four days later. Got a needed small cushion over the Oilers and Stars which is really needed going against the Ducks on Friday. That Kings/Ducks game will be one that will have a lot more meaning for the 1st time in recent years. Wish I could be there tomorrow, but ticket prices in the resale markets are in three-digits now. Don't think you would see that last year (although few fans were there) or 2-3 years ago.
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Another win the Kings yesterday against the Coyotes, in the same building four days later. Got a needed small cushion over the Oilers and Stars which is really needed going against the Ducks on Friday. That Kings/Ducks game will be one that will have a lot more meaning for the 1st time in recent years. Wish I could be there tomorrow, but ticket prices are the resale markets are in three-digits now. Don't think you would see that last year (although few fans were there) or 2-3 years ago.
Holy crap...I just went to the Sucks' website, and prices for ALL seats start at more than $100. WTF? I suppose they do that because they know Kings fans will take over the Pond. Per some posts at letsgokings.com, the "Royal Army" is meeting at the Tilted Kilt and "marching" to the Pond "with their flags and drums." It's been a while since I attended a Duck Roast, but it sounds like they're as fun as ever.
In other news, this guy has apparently signed with the Orlando Solar Bears of the ECHL:
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^^ Hasn't played a game professionally in 10 years and sure loves having his name out there. This is obviously a PR move for the ECHL team and for Mr. Sean Avery.
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Avery was 10lbs of talentless douche in a 5lb bag.
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Meanwhile, the NHL might as well have just released a statement saying, "We love us some Nathan McKinnon," after giving him a pass for his two-handed slash of an on-ice official.
Yeah, I saw that video, and have no idea how they could conclude he was aiming for the opposing player. And EVEN if he was, he still should've been suspended.
Just imagine if that was Marchand or Wilson, it would've been 20 games before they even changed their shift.
For the record, I'm always in favor of a 20 game suspension for Marchand or Wilson :biggrin:
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^^ Hasn't played a game professionally in 10 years and sure loves having his name out there. This is obviously a PR move for the ECHL team and for Mr. Sean Avery.
Must be giving hockey a sloppy second chance. Or is it the other way around?
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^^ Hasn't played a game professionally in 10 years and sure loves having his name out there. This is obviously a PR move for the ECHL team and for Mr. Sean Avery.
Must be giving hockey a sloppy second chance. Or is it the other way around?
I really, really hope a reporter asks him that lol. He's done so much ridiculous shit over his career i almost forgot about that comment
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^^ Hasn't played a game professionally in 10 years and sure loves having his name out there. This is obviously a PR move for the ECHL team and for Mr. Sean Avery.
Must be giving hockey a sloppy second chance. Or is it the other way around?
I really, really hope a reporter asks him that lol. He's done so much ridiculous shit over his career i almost forgot about that comment
I still love the story of when he was coming up with the Detroit Red Wings. They were playing a game against the Avs in the 2002-2003 season, and he tried chirping at Joe Sakic, calling him out by his first name. Brett Hull grabbed his jersey, forced him to the bench and said something to the effect of, "You are not allowed to do that! He is Mr. Sakic to you!" as Brendan Shanahan, Steve Yzerman, and Chris Chelios all looked at him and nodded in agreement.
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Well, PR stunt it is. That's obvious. He was only there for two days.
https://www.orlandosolarbearshockey.com/news/2022/2/solar-bears-release-sean-avery?fbclid=IwAR2ALK8921l8b8oO6Itc6z_ufhnsVI_PTN3LGy7L1C_FqOmUWTxbUc4_3Nw
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Ahhhh, a nearly flawless win against the Ducks today. The kind of win I was hoping the Kings would get in a key game like this. Got some separation on everyone else fighting for a spot and even leapfrogged the Golden Knights who lost to the Coyotes today. Coyotes is really helping the Kings out this week. Losing the games against them and winning the games that would help the Kings out (won against Stars and Golden Knights).
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Ahhhh, a nearly flawless win against the Ducks today. The kind of win I was hoping the Kings would get in a key game like this. Got some separation on everyone else fighting for a spot and even leapfrogged the Golden Knights who lost to the Coyotes today. Coyotes is really helping the Kings out this week. Losing the games against them and winning the games that would help the Kings out (won against Stars and Golden Knights).
Man...they were on fire last night. They seemed one step ahead of, and so much faster than, the Sucks at every turn. Hopefully they'll keep it going today against the Islanders.
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The Rangers really needed to NOT lose to the Penguins today. If they have any hope of staying alive in the division race, they can’t afford to play like that against Pittsburgh or Carolina.
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Ahhhh, a nearly flawless win against the Ducks today. The kind of win I was hoping the Kings would get in a key game like this. Got some separation on everyone else fighting for a spot and even leapfrogged the Golden Knights who lost to the Coyotes today. Coyotes is really helping the Kings out this week. Losing the games against them and winning the games that would help the Kings out (won against Stars and Golden Knights).
Man...they were on fire last night. They seemed one step ahead of, and so much faster than, the Sucks at every turn. Hopefully they'll keep it going today against the Islanders.
And they have been!
Also, WTF happened in Detroit?! A flashback to the no-defense days of the '80s?
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On top of that, we have the option to get another free McFlurry tomorrow since the Kings scored in the last min. of the 2nd. They've done that four times this season, and I've cashed in on that 3 times. One of them, I ate on the way to the Wiltern for a concert (it's easier to eat food when you are stuck in traffic at the 5 North).
Also, yeah, when I came home after doing something, I checked the scoreboard and see that it was 10-7 Leafs???
Found this video in my feed, watch as Leafs superfan Steve Dangle (who managed to land a nice sweet gig on the Sportsnet Youtube channel to livestream and watch Leafs games every Saturday where people can watch the game and watch his reactions. Only available to Canada only) reacts to everything that had happened in that 3rd period mess. Please note around 4:00 minutes, he screamed pretty loudly. You have been warned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa8mdlALGos
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That Leafs/Wing game was fucking bonkers. Never seen anything like that ever in my life - seriously, that's not hyperbole at all. Campbell is a fucking sieve. He's got a bad case of Binningtonitis. Up 7-2 to start the third (and btw, those first two goals Campbell gave up were awful), and then let them get to 7-6 and 8-7!?!?!!? I mean, c'mon. That doesn't even happen in beer-league games. And all but one of them (deflection) was entirely stoppable. That 5th one was especially brutal. Even when they got the 10th goal, no Leaf fan could feel comfortable.
Thanks for posting that Dangle clip Ang. I don't usually care too much for Steve, but that was a worthwhile watch. Pretty much mirrored my reactions. That game was a absolutely steaming hot mess. How does a team hold the Pens and the Wild to 1 goal each, then do what they did in that 3rd period?!?!?
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I really hope the Avs are peaking too early, because they look unstoppable - maybe it'll be a case like Tampa 3 years ago... cruising thru the regular season with no real adversity, then choking on it in Round 1. How many 3rd period comebacks do they have? More than a handful, that's for sure.
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Hehe, no D in the D last night. I figured the Wings were done after it got to 7-2, but they lit up the 3rd.
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Hehe, no D in the D last night. I figured the Wings were done after it got to 7-2, but they lit up the 3rd.
Hardly... they just threw pucks at the night, and neither Campbell or Mrazek could stop a beachball. Matthews even got one of the deflections for an 'own' goal. Guess he really wants the Rocket! :lol
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I really hope the Avs are peaking too early, because they look unstoppable - maybe it'll be a case like Tampa 3 years ago... cruising thru the regular season with no real adversity, then choking on it in Round 1. How many 3rd period comebacks do they have? More than a handful, that's for sure.
Yes, they SEEM a little more gritty than the last few years with the same core group. Comebacks are typically a good assessment of that (grit)....last night in Las Vegas for example. And especially since that was the second night of a back to back....the ridiculous 6 unanswered goals against Winnipeg.
As an Avs fan here in Colorado, I am most encouraged by MacKinnon finally breaking out and getting more goals....he was still contributing with a lot of assists during the season (when healthy), but they need him to score big goals too. Also nice to see Kuemper bounce back after the 5-1 loss against the Bruins. Though to be fair, the Avs were bad all over the ice that afternoon in Boston.
Still, yes....and as discussed earlier....the spectre of regular season success not translating will likely haunt this current team. UNTIL----they do something much deeper in the playoffs. Hoping Kuemper is still dialed in when they start in May....and that Landeskog, Makar, MacKinnon, Kadri, and Rantanen are healthy as possible. If those things align, I wouldn't want to play them.
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I really hope the Avs are peaking too early, because they look unstoppable - maybe it'll be a case like Tampa 3 years ago... cruising thru the regular season with no real adversity, then choking on it in Round 1. How many 3rd period comebacks do they have? More than a handful, that's for sure.
They’re looking good but they looked the same way last year. When go time hits you gotta play. I still
Think their goaltending is suspect and until they do something in the playoffs they’re just a really good regular season team. But they do look scary.
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In the meantime, Binnington has looked great his last few starts, so hopefully he is turning it around to where both he and Husso can be great options come playoff time. Goalies can be so darn fragile.
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In the meantime, Binnington has looked great his last few starts, so hopefully he is turning it around to where both he and Husso can be great options come playoff time. Goalies can be so darn fragile.
No kidding... and it's tough have the patience to know when / how often to play them so they can get out of their funk, vs just making it worse - while losing game and/or having the team lose confidence in him.
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In the meantime, Binnington has looked great his last few starts, so hopefully he is turning it around to where both he and Husso can be great options come playoff time. Goalies can be so darn fragile.
The Rangers are currently dealing with this fragility. While Shesterkin is currently the Vezina favorite, Georgiev has been a liability in net far more than he’s been an asset, a far cry from being one of the best backups in the league like he was a few years ago. The Rangers are one Shesterkin injury away from being absolutely screwed, and that’s scary.
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So, I rather not want to talk about today's Kings/Bruins game. Sucks that a five game winning streak ends this way. Yeah......
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Seems like Marchand being back has sparked the team. DeBrusk he played well on the 1st line.
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Solid W by the Leafs last night. Their dreaded 3-1 lead slipped away, but they iced it with a good 3rd period. Tavares is in an 11-game (or something like that) goalless slump, but was otherwise terrific with 2 very nice helpers. Commentary on the game highlighted that Ovi has 7 EN goals this year - most in the league! Matthews?? One. Guess Laviolette is doing his part to help Ovi break Gretz's record :lol. I don't think many people would peg Ovi as a go-to 'shut-down' guy in the last minute of play with a 1-goal lead. Though, he is 2nd all-time behind Gretz in EN goals. I'd be curious to know how many of them were with a 1-goal lead vs 2-goal lead.
Also, until last night, the Leafs were the only team not to give up a SHG. Their (#1 ranked) PP has been dreadful the last few games - 0-for-4 last night, with only 1 SOG.
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So, I rather not want to talk about today's Kings/Bruins game. Sucks that a five game winning streak ends this way. Yeah......
Yeesh...that game was over before it started. The less said the better.
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Another regular time loss to a shit-kicker team. RT losses to Montreal, Buffalo, and Phoenix a few weeks back are going to haunt this team. At best, they could/should be in 1st in the Atlantic if they take 4, 5, or 6 of those points. At worst, if Campbell and/or Mrazek don't get their heads out of their asses, they might find the Bruins catching them - and end up in a WC spot facing (likely) the 'Canes.
Fuck this team is frustrating.
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I was just noticing that we might the 3rd worst team in the league, but we’re only 3-4 points behind the Flyers, Devils, Senators, and Sabres. So if we suddenly got hot…
:rollin :rollin :rollin
It’s the little things when you’re a cellar dweller.
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Another regular time loss to a shit-kicker team. RT losses to Montreal, Buffalo, and Phoenix a few weeks back are going to haunt this team. At best, they could/should be in 1st in the Atlantic if they take 4, 5, or 6 of those points. At worst, if Campbell and/or Mrazek don't get their heads out of their asses, they might find the Bruins catching them - and end up in a WC spot facing (likely) the 'Canes.
Fuck this team is frustrating.
B's won 5-2 ar the Golden Knights last night. They are on a roll.
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Jesus... Coyotes beating the Avs in regular time, and finish 2-1-1 against Colorado this season. Wow. That goalie can get very hot - he's the kid that stonewalled the Leafs to a 2-1 win at the beginning of Jan.
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Man, that Pacific division looks gnarly. Knights are now in 4th?? And 5 points separates 2nd from 6th
As opposed to the Atlantic and Metro, where the Top 4 are all but a lock - Bruins are 16 up on the Wings; Caps are 10 up on the Jackets.
Leafs have a stretch of 6 games against teams with not great records. They better take 8+ points out of this run. If not, it's gonna get interesting with Boston only 4 points in their rear view atm.
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Tough anyway to look at it Chad. Top 3 teams are really playing well. No on wants to play the Canes, Bolts or Panthers right now.
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The Panthers don’t scare me come playoff time. Tampa will win the division.
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The Panthers don’t scare me come playoff time. Tampa will win the division.
They are really playing well though. But then again, hockey playoffs are hard to figure out sometimes.
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I was just noticing that we might the 3rd worst team in the league, but we’re only 3-4 points behind the Flyers, Devils, Senators, and Sabres. So if we suddenly got hot…
...your draft lottery position will worsen. :lol :lol
Man, that Pacific division looks gnarly. Knights are now in 4th?? And 5 points separates 2nd from 6th
Yeah...it's crazy. I'm encouraged that, despite playing like complete ass the last two games, the Kings are still in second place. AND all of the contending Pacific Division teams except Calgary have played the same number of games as, or one more game than, the Kings. Calgary probably has the division in the bag, but if you had told me at the start of the season that, with 17 games remaining, the Kings had a great chance to take second place in the division and an outside chance at first place, I'd have been elated. Keep in mind that this is a team that, in its 54 seasons played, has only won the division ONCE.
The east is weird. Has there ever been a season like this where the playoff teams are basically set this early, with just the positions to play out?
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Feels like that pg. The gap between 8 and 9 would have to be a catastrophic demise for a team to sneak into the playoffs.
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Another thing to note, if the Golden Knights continue this skid they are in, the Stars has two games on hand on them. They could actually fall out, which no one could ever thought that is a possibility. A lot of middling teams in the West are really wedged in those positions. Whose going to play the best in those roughly 30 games is anyone's guest at this point.
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Caps have a new policy for fans in Capital One arena:
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"No Ukraine/Russia signs"
Stay classy Washington.
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I'm wondering if this attention is really starting to get to Ovi, so they wanted to put something in place to shield him? Either way, shitty, shitty move from ownership.
Any context to that picture? It sounds like it applies to the arena itself, so is this something that whomever actually owns and operates the arena is decreeing? I don't even know who else plays in that arena. Wizards?
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Things are getting ugly in that front. I have read articles that mentions something about agents, that has Russian NHL players as their clients, stating that their clients are being given random threats or something. All I can say is I hope for the best for everyone and people can enjoy the game without any BS, but it's probably not going to be the case.
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I see two things a lot on social media when it comes to Russian players.
1. They aren't individually responsible for what's going on.
2. Their families could be in danger if they speak out.
Both are very true statements.
But here's the thing. Millions of Ukrainians are being put in danger every day, many are dying or having their lives destroyed. Russian hockey stars tend to be well revered in Russia, and have influence there. Either they are using that power to help or they are not, and frankly at this point I don't give two shits about their difficult position.
I definitely do not think any and every Russian should be discriminated against or treated poorly in any way, but these stars are not just run of the mill people, they can, even if it's ever so slightly, move the needle towards peace, and if they aren't doing that then frankly I give them and their situation no sympathy.
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Well, after blowing a 3-1 lead against the Stars, the Kings made it up by coming back from 3-1 against the Blue Jackets to win it in OT. They almost lost the game in OT, but the offside rule bailed them out. Arvidsson with the hat trick. Him and Phillip Danault has been huge difference makers this season. Them and Trevor Moore has made an excellent 2nd line that's been rolling well in the last two months.
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Well, after blowing a 3-1 lead against the Stars, the Kings made it up by coming back from 3-1 against the Blue Jackets to win it in OT. Arvidsson with the hat trick. Him and Phillip Danault has been huge difference makers this season. Them and Trevor Moore has made an excellent 2nd line that's been rolling well in the last two months.
Interesting watching some of the game as the Bruins will be in Columbus tomorrow night, and they host the Kings on Monday.
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Classy for the B's to put the "A" on Nick Foligno for his return to Columbus tonight, and to take part in the ceremonial puck drop.
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Well, missed the entire game due to work-related stuff. I was ready to accept a 2-1 loss against the Bs thinking "At least, the Kings didn't get crushed 7-0 like last week," but nope. Thousand Oaks, CA native Trevor Moore (who they got from the Jack Campbell trade a few years back, so that trade isn't becoming as lopsided as one would think) managed to tie the game with like 30 seconds to go and then the Kings went on to win in OT. This feels like such a dream at the moment.
Well, onto going to play the Sharks for the next two games. The Sharks have lost a couple in their last stretch, so I'm sure they will be in a pissy mood and try to clown the Kings like they did in the last time they faced off (in which Timo Meier scored five goals that game). The Kings just got to clown them back on the scoresheet like they used to in the glory days.
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Well, the Oil are in trouble. Big, big trouble. They're quickly falling (further) behind in the playoff race, the big guns aren't firing, goal tending is a joke (see every single Mike Smith start in 2022), and almost no sign of turning things around. It's going to be interesting as the trade deadline approaches. Some of the angrier fans in town are actually suggesting the Oilers should be in a selling position. The case being made is that a player like Evander Kane could fetch a reasonable return, as he's very much looking like a $7M player on a $2M contract that expires this year. The more level headed fanbase is still hoping they can make a push for the playoffs, but as the magic 8-ball says: outlook not so good.
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Knights (on paper) have a lock. Oil should have a lock too... but if the Canucks and Flames get their shit together, and the Kraken gel out of the gate (including Grubauer playing like a Top 5 goalie), things could get dicey - especially if Smith plays like most 40-year olds do, and Koskinen plays like Koskinen.
I'd be nervous if I'm an Oil fan.
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For fuck's sake! I saw an Edmonton journal headline this morning about the oil's success being on the shoulders of Smith and Koskinen, but i didn't bother reading the article.
So you're saying a wildcard spot would be a successful season! Damn dude, I feel for you. I really do.
Seems I wasn't far off - though who would've predicted the Kings and Ducks that would be making things difficult/complicated for the Knights/Oil!!?!? Though, Vancouver is only 2 behind the Oil.
So sorry for you guys, Rich. Seriously. What that organization has done to cluster fuck themselves for the last 12 years is astonishing. I mean, who in their right mind could possibly think that Smith/Koskinen was the tandem to bank on?
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It's truly painful, and we're fast burning through the McDavid Draisaitl window. I have serious doubts McDavid is resigning here. He's always made it clear he wanted to be closer to Toronto, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him sign in either TO or Buffalo once this deal expires. Holland hasn't exactly done much with this team to make them better, so we're past blaming this solely on Chiarelli's ineptitude. At some point Holland has to be accountable, and that might be this off season if the Oil miss the playoffs.
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Well, missed the entire game due to work-related stuff. I was ready to accept a 2-1 loss against the Bs thinking "At least, the Kings didn't get crushed 7-0 like last week," but nope. Thousand Oaks, CA native Trevor Moore (who they got from the Jack Campbell trade a few years back, so that trade isn't becoming as lopsided as one would think) managed to tie the game with like 30 seconds to go and then the Kings went on to win in OT. This feels like such a dream at the moment.
Well, onto going to play the Sharks for the next two games. The Sharks have lost a couple in their last stretch, so I'm sure they will be in a pissy mood and try to clown the Kings like they did in the last time they faced off (in which Timo Meier scored five goals that game). The Kings just got to clown them back on the scoresheet like they used to in the glory days.
I got home and, after doing a couple things, remembered that the game was on. I turned it on with about 4 minutes left. That was pretty damn epic and, I think, a lot more representative of the two teams relative to each other than the 7-0 game.
For a brief moment, the Kings were only 2 points behind the Flames, but then they beat Edmonton...and they still have 3 games in hand on the Kings. Things are way too close for comfort and any team (other than the Flames) that falters for a few games is going to find itself outside looking in PDQ. Calgary at Colorado on Sunday should be a good litmus test for the top 2 teams in the West.
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It's truly painful, and we're fast burning through the McDavid Draisaitl window. I have serious doubts McDavid is resigning here. He's always made it clear he wanted to be closer to Toronto, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him sign in either TO or Buffalo once this deal expires. Holland hasn't exactly done much with this team to make them better, so we're past blaming this solely on Chiarelli's ineptitude. At some point Holland has to be accountable, and that might be this off season if the Oil miss the playoffs.
While I agree that McDavid would be wise to cut bait and bolt from a team that seemingly couldn't do a worse job of building a team around him, and while a combination of him with Marner or Matthews might give most Toronto fans a raging stiffy, I don't see how to make that work against the cap given the following expirations:
'25: Matthews/Nylander - $18M
'26: Marner/Tavares - $22M; Draisatl - $8.5M
'27: McDavid - $12.5M
What do the Leafs do to get McDavid. They'd have to free up at least 2 of those salaries to afford him, and what do you replace Tavares with to keep them competitive in '26-27? The chances of retaining Matthews look better and better the more of a joke the Coyotes organization becomes. But, if AZ were to get Connor Bedard next year, I can see Matthews pulling a 'Tavares'. That'd be a pretty sweet pair to build a team around.
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The fans that have stuck around with the Coyotes (and I'm in a hockey Discord channel that has like 10k people in it, and there's quite a few of them out there. Very vocal as well) during the team's off-ice business turmoil, deserve a lot better than being reduced to watch in a building that only holds up to 5,000 people. Hopefully, things turn around with them nabbing a top 2 pick in this year's draft, next year's draft, uses a buttload of picks they got in trades well, secure a new arena building and is able to stay there for a substantial amount of time, and maybe, just maybe, hockey can work in Arizona markets on a bigger scale.
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The fans that have stuck around with the Coyotes (and I'm in a hockey Discord channel that has like 10k people in it, and there's quite a few of them out there. Very vocal as well) during the team's off-ice business turmoil, deserve a lot better than being reduced to watch in a building that only holds up to 5,000 people. Hopefully, things turn around with them nabbing a top 2 pick in this year's draft, next year's draft, uses a buttload of picks they got in trades well, secure a new arena building and is able to stay there for a substantial amount of time, and maybe, just maybe, hockey can work in Arizona markets on a bigger scale.
Maybe. Or Bettman could move it to Houston that has a willing and committed ownership group, city, and raving fan opportunity. I don't get why he's so stuck on forcing it to work in a market that has never shown any sustained ability to keep it going.
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I mean moving to Houston would be another good option (probably should have been the best option rather than going with moving the Coyotes into a smaller building), but Bettman seems hell-bent on wanting to save the Coyotes in Arizona no matter what, at all costs. I mean the TV market should be great there, but no one really wants to see a team that has not shown any signs of forward stability recently.
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I mean moving to Houston would be another good option (probably should have been the best option rather than going with moving the Coyotes into a smaller building), but Bettman seems hell-bent on wanting to save the Coyotes in Arizona no matter what, at all costs. I mean the TV market should be great there, but no one really wants to see a team that has not shown any signs of forward stability recently.
And by "recently" you mean, "ever". Ok, ok... they had 3 good years out of 24.
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I just trying to be nice and hopeful for the area. I know that it's been pretty garbage there. But if areas like Vegas, Nashville, two Florida cities, Dallas, Carolina, etc. works. I mean there should be no reason that it shouldn't work with stable management, but it hasn't and Bettman is a moron for pursuing it at a sunk cost.
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I just trying to be nice and hopeful for the area. I know that it's been pretty garbage there. But if areas like Vegas, Nashville, two Florida cities, Dallas, Carolina, etc. works. I mean there should be no reason that it shouldn't work with stable management, but it hasn't and Bettman is a moron for pursuing it at a sunk cost.
I mean, in 16 years as the Jets, the franchise won 2 playoff series - but they had the bad fortune of being in the Smythe in the 80s.
In 24 years as the Coyotes, they've won 2 playoff series - both in the same year, making it to the conference finals when Mike Smith was actually a good goalie (sorry, Rich).
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I just trying to be nice and hopeful for the area. I know that it's been pretty garbage there. But if areas like Vegas, Nashville, two Florida cities, Dallas, Carolina, etc. works. I mean there should be no reason that it shouldn't work with stable management, but it hasn't and Bettman is a moron for pursuing it at a sunk cost.
I mean, in 16 years as the Jets, the franchise won 2 playoff series - but they had the bad fortune of being in the Smythe in the 80s.
In 24 years as the Coyotes, they've won 2 playoff series - both in the same year, making it to the conference finals when Mike Smith was actually a good goalie (sorry, Rich).
And a very good year it was.*
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* - They've won 3 series. The third was a "qualifying round" series in 2020, which was their only playoff appearance since 2012.
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Speaking of the Coyotes, I don't know what the heck is going on, but they have some pep in their step in the last few games. Scored 17 goals in two games against the Senators and Red Wings and have won three in a row (including a regulation win against the Avs).
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Speaking of the Coyotes, I don't know what the heck is going on, but they have some pep in their step in the last few games. Scored 17 goals in two games against the Senators and Red Wings and have won three in a row (including a regulation win against the Avs).
There was something in the water everywhere last night:
Leafs - 6 goals
Coyotes - 9 goals
Jets - 7 goals
Hawks - 8 goals
Devils/Wild/Caps - 5 goals each (and thank you very much to the Caps for beating the Flames).
In eleven games last night, there was an average of 7.73 goals per game, and only three of the eleven games had fewer than 7 goals scored.
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On another note...42 years ago today:
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Although both Mark and Marty were defensemen (per hockey-reference.com), so did they just play wing for that one game (or one shift)?
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For Kev...
https://www.si.com/nhl/2022/03/09/power-rankings-taylor-swift-avalanche-panthers-leafs-hurricanes
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I appreciate the creativity in that power ranking article. I read the power rankings in The Athletic, every Friday, and its a bunch of analytics writers trying to think they are cool, but it doesn't come off that way at times.
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For Kev...
https://www.si.com/nhl/2022/03/09/power-rankings-taylor-swift-avalanche-panthers-leafs-hurricanes
:tup :tup
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I appreciate the creativity in that power ranking article. I read the power rankings in The Athletic, every Friday, and its a bunch of analytics writers trying to think they are cool, but it doesn't come off that way at times.
I like the nhl.com rankings. They are quick and to the point, and not quippy.
With regards to the Leafs, this is the team that everyone expects them to be, no? 6-4 over the Kracken; 10-7 over the Wings. Not 4-1 over the Penguins. Jeff O'Neill from the TSN panel had the best comment the other night ... "Let's just out score our mistakes".
Sadly, that won't work come May. They gotta get back to how they were playing in the 1st half of the season. But otherwise, the Matthews/Marner pairing has been god-tier, and Bunting is playing his role perfectly. 60-goals is in reach for Matthews.
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Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck the Flyers.
So enraged right now.
So last offseason they free up cap by paying to send Ghost to the Coyotes. They then use that extra cap space to trade for Rasmus Ristolainen. All in all they send Ghost, a first, a second, a second, and Robert Haag for this average at best defensemen.
Then they see all season that it wasn't just Buffalo, he really is average.
Then to save face after giving up a ridiculous amount they sign him at 5x5.1 instead of getting a bag of pucks at the trade deadline.
THEN I have to fucking listen to every Flyers commentator talk about his "intangibles", as they always do after our awful signings.
FUCKING THEN in the first period later that day Risto takes TWO penalties that immediate turn into goals against.
AND FUCKING THEN I remember that we made a big stink like a month ago to announce additions the the analytics department ONLY TO THEN SIGN A GUY ANALYTICS HATES.
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE
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Ok, but how do you *really* feel?
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Yeah, but Zac Rinaldo.... :lol
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Damn, my cousin and I had been talking about going to tonight's game, but ultimately did not go. :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Another terrible missed call by the refs (Ovi hooking Hyman last night was awful ... though the hockey gods corrected the missed call). Tonight, not so much for the Leafs ... AZ player holding the stick on Matthews directly leading to the overtime winner.
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So the last two games against the Sharks reminds me why I hate the Sharks more than the Ducks. Gosh, playing that team is so damn infuriating. They keep losing to the teams I need them to beat and win against the Kings when I need them to obviously lose. Doesn't help that the injury list is starting to pile up now.
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While it was nice to see the Rangers win because of their offense (holy shit Panarin), Igor’s lackluster play tonight was concerning. Every great goalie has a bad game here and there, but I hope it was just a bad game and not him being exhausted, as I don’t trust Georgiev down the stretch, but we need Shestyorkin to be at his best for the playoffs.
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So the last two games against the Sharks reminds me why I hate the Sharks more than the Ducks. Gosh, playing that team is so damn infuriating. They keep losing to the teams I need them to beat and win against the Kings when I need them to obviously lose. Doesn't help that the injury list is starting to pile up now.
Dude... the Leafs have outright lost in regulation to Montreal, Buffalo and Arizona (who they also lost to in OT earlier this week). I'm fully expecting a loss this afternoon (Buffalo) in the Heritage Classic. there's 7 points they just kissed away. Boston is now 2 just points behind them.
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The Leafs were rocking some bad ass construction worker outfits to the game! :metal
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I don't know how this Kings team keeps doing it against the good teams. Like half the roster is mainly regulars from the AHL Ontario Reign. They've been playing garbage D against the Sharks in the last two games. Their defense has been horribly gutted by recent injuries where only 2 out of the 7 guys from the opening night roster was playing today (and one of them may end up joining that IR list). The Panthers, for all of their "prowls".... in scoring a lot this season did a fine job in suffocating the team in the 3rd and somehow, Martin Frk (who was one of the call up) just ripped it hard on a PP goal to tie it with 31 seconds remaining and the Kings won in the shootout.
I hope Doughty comes back on Tuesday. Don't think we can have this kind of fortunate game against the Avs.
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2 Games for Matthews. I'm not entirely bent out of shape over it - it was a pretty vicious cross check. My only beef is that MacKinnon slashes a ref, and gets nothing. Nada. Zip. Jack squat. Matthews has 10 minutes in penalties, and never had a review in 6 years... and gets 2 for a first offense? He deserved one for sure; 2 is a *tad* harsh.
Either way, the Leafs need to hire a proctologist to get their collective heads out of their collective asses. 2-4-1 against Montreal, Buffalo, Arizona, and Seattle in 2022 so far. FFS.
Boston is gonna pass them in the standings by the weekend otherwise.
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Either way, the Leafs need to hire a proctologist to get their collective heads out of their collective asses. 2-4-1 against Montreal, Buffalo, Arizona, and Seattle in 2022 so far. FFS.
My Dad used to tell me the correct medical term for the procedure is a Cranial-Rectalectomy. :lol
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Either way, the Leafs need to hire a proctologist to get their collective heads out of their collective asses. 2-4-1 against Montreal, Buffalo, Arizona, and Seattle in 2022 so far. FFS.
My Dad used to tell me the correct medical term for the procedure is a Cranial-Rectalectomy. :lol
I'm using that one! :lol :lol
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I have no idea what his G-A-Pts are over the last couple of weeks are, but I've never seen Taylor Hall be more engaged as he has been in his entire career.
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That disallowed goal by Coyle was horseshit. The hockey gods made up for it. Man I was hoping Flower was gonna steal at least 1 point away from the Bruins. Damn.
At least the Leafs remembered how to execute a defensive style of play last night. Really great team effort to give the kid his first shutout and win in his first NHL start. Carolina tomorrow shall be interesting - I have no idea who Keefe should put between the pipes. If he goes with Kallgren, it's a clear message to Mrazek that there is no faith or confidence in him. And to put a rookie in against the best team in the league could be disaster for *his* confidence. Might be better to chance it with Mrazek, and hope the entire team rallies around him to get him a W against his old team.
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Mrazek's a head case. He has the tools to be a total stud, but his mental game is fragile. When he was coming up in Detroit, there were moments when he looked like the second coming of Hasek, but then he flamed out. He appeared to right the ship somewhat in Carolina, but even they soured on him after a while. Million dollar skills with a 10 cent brain.
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Mrazek's a head case. He has the tools to be a total stud, but his mental game is fragile. When he was coming up in Detroit, there were moments when he looked like the second coming of Hasek, but then he flamed out. He appeared to right the ship somewhat in Carolina, but even they soured on him after a while. Million dollar skills with a 10 cent brain.
Yeah, he's looked absolutely lost in some situations lately. That AZ game was a trainwreck - King's nephew could've made better decisions. He also made some spectacular saves in the Heritage game on Sunday, but then then a couple of absolute fucking duds that simply had no right getting past an NHL goaltender, and tanked the team.
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That disallowed goal by Coyle was horseshit. The hockey gods made up for it. Man I was hoping Flower was gonna steal at least 1 point away from the Bruins. Damn.
Oh and if they gave up a GWG to the Hawks on the ensuing PP, I had a post all lined up about how the St. Louis Bruins or the Boston Blues got screwed. :lol
But holy shit...they got screwed on that call.
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That disallowed goal by Coyle was horseshit. The hockey gods made up for it. Man I was hoping Flower was gonna steal at least 1 point away from the Bruins. Damn.
Oh and if they gave up a GWG to the Hawks on the ensuing PP, I had a post all lined up about how the St. Louis Bruins or the Boston Blues got screwed. :lol
Naturally, I would've been completely fine with if this had been the outcome. :biggrin:
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That was a solid - SOLID - effort by the Leafs to hold off the Canes. The goal with 3.6 seconds left notwithstanding, that was a great game and as good an outcome as could have been hoped for. Here's hoping this Kallgren kid is going to pull a Binnington '19 - shit, he even wears #50.
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That was a solid - SOLID - effort by the Leafs to hold off the Canes. The goal with 3.6 seconds left notwithstanding, that was a great game and as good an outcome as could have been hoped for. Here's hoping this Kallgren kid is going to pull a Binnington '19 - shit, he even wears #50.
I think you mean "Solid effort, ugly St Patty's jerseys not withstanding"
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That was a solid - SOLID - effort by the Leafs to hold off the Canes. The goal with 3.6 seconds left notwithstanding, that was a great game and as good an outcome as could have been hoped for. Here's hoping this Kallgren kid is going to pull a Binnington '19 - shit, he even wears #50.
I think you mean "Solid effort, ugly St Patty's jerseys not withstanding"
I've always hated those St. Pats jerseys. Thankfully, it's just once a year.
Oil seem to have turned a corner?? What are your trade deadline expectations (or hopes)?
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That was a solid - SOLID - effort by the Leafs to hold off the Canes. The goal with 3.6 seconds left notwithstanding, that was a great game and as good an outcome as could have been hoped for. Here's hoping this Kallgren kid is going to pull a Binnington '19 - shit, he even wears #50.
I think you mean "Solid effort, ugly St Patty's jerseys not withstanding"
I've always hated those St. Pats jerseys. Thankfully, it's just once a year.
Oil seem to have turned a corner?? What are your trade deadline expectations (or hopes)?
Yeah, they've been on a streak lately. It helps that McD and Draisaitl have found their game again. Just goes to show how weak this team is when the big guns have slumps. There's been some depth scoring lately, but that hasn't been there all year (see December - February).
Hopes: they somehow acquire a solid goalie to backup Koskinen
Expectations: absolutely no trades whatsoever
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Couple 'sources' saying there could be a three team deal between Arizona, Blues, Toronto. Toronto gets Binnington, Blues get Chychrun and Arizona gets picks/minor players from Toronto.
I'd sign off on that in heartbeat but it's doubtful. I don't think Toronto can free the cap space.
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I really don't think the Leafs can support that cap hit without moving one of their top guns. Imagine all of the picks/prospects that Arizona could get, but I don't think the Leafs have that kind of draft capital in comparison to other teams possibly in the mix for Chychrun (nowadays, I've been hearing Kings or Bruins, but that's probably an offseason thing to look at, not at the deadline).
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I really don't think the Leafs can support that cap hit without moving one of their top guns. Imagine all of the picks/prospects that Arizona could get, but I don't think the Leafs have that kind of draft capital in comparison to other teams possibly in the mix for Chychrun (nowadays, I've been hearing Kings or Bruins, but that's probably an offseason thing to look at, not at the deadline).
Why the hell would the Leafs want Binnington @ $6M AAV for the next 5 years? Even if it's only at 50% or 25% of his cap, Mrazek is already signed for 2 more years, and I don't see how the Leafs are going to walk away from Campbell - he loves it here, the team/fans love him. Though personally, I'd love it if they could unload Mrazek - that's one signing that did not work out as planned.
All of the *real* insiders (Friedge, Dreger, Lebrun, Johnston) ... none of them have uttered Binnington's name in the last 2 weeks, and they're all still under the belief that Dubas is more likely to go after defence, not goaltending.
As for their cap space ... if they keep Muzzin on LTIR until the playoffs (concussion issues), they've got room to manoeuvre.
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I really don't think the Leafs can support that cap hit without moving one of their top guns. Imagine all of the picks/prospects that Arizona could get, but I don't think the Leafs have that kind of draft capital in comparison to other teams possibly in the mix for Chychrun (nowadays, I've been hearing Kings or Bruins, but that's probably an offseason thing to look at, not at the deadline).
Why the hell would the Leafs want Binnington @ $6M AAV for the next 5 years? Even if it's only at 50% or 25% of his cap, Mrazek is already signed for 2 more years, and I don't see how the Leafs are going to walk away from Campbell - he loves it here, the team/fans love him. Though personally, I'd love it if they could unload Mrazek - that's one signing that did not work out as planned.
All of the *real* insiders (Friedge, Dreger, Lebrun, Johnston) ... none of them have uttered Binnington's name in the last 2 weeks, and they're all still under the belief that Dubas is more likely to go after defence, not goaltending.
As for their cap space ... if they keep Muzzin on LTIR until the playoffs (concussion issues), they've got room to manoeuvre.
This kind of trade speculation doesn't really make any sense and doesn't really benefit anyone except the Blues (Coyotes can probably get a better return elsewhere, and the Leafs shouldn't want that contract or goalie at all).
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Why the hell would the Leafs anyone want Binnington @ $6M AAV for the next 5 years?
Fixed. Doug Armstrong has made a lot of good moves as a GM.....even some of his 'questionable' moves one can still understand.....but the deal he inked Binnington to is just confusing and was uncalled for. I'd say it's the worst deal he's crafted in his tenure.
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Why the hell would the Leafs anyone want Binnington @ $6M AAV for the next 5 years?
Fixed. Doug Armstrong has made a lot of good moves as a GM.....even some of his 'questionable' moves one can still understand.....but the deal he inked Binnington to is just confusing and was uncalled for. I'd say it's the worst deal he's crafted in his tenure.
If he was playing like Binnington '19, you might not be saying that. Still, UFA goaltenders are a risky thing. I think the Price and Bobs contracts are the last $10M+ goalie signings you'll see. Hell, Binnington and Grubauer in the $6M range look pretty questionable. Campbell's questionable play in Jan/Feb certainly lowered his negotiating power - he's like to warrant a 4M-ish AAV given his inconsistencies, and lack of history of sustaining #1 goalie quantity and quality of play.
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Why the hell would the Leafs anyone want Binnington @ $6M AAV for the next 5 years?
Fixed. Doug Armstrong has made a lot of good moves as a GM.....even some of his 'questionable' moves one can still understand.....but the deal he inked Binnington to is just confusing and was uncalled for. I'd say it's the worst deal he's crafted in his tenure.
If he was playing like Binnington '19, you might not be saying that. Still, UFA goaltenders are a risky thing. I think the Price and Bobs contracts are the last $10M+ goalie signings you'll see. Hell, Binnington and Grubauer in the $6M range look pretty questionable. Campbell's questionable play in Jan/Feb certainly lowered his negotiating power - he's like to warrant a 4M-ish AAV given his inconsistencies, and lack of history of sustaining #1 goalie quantity and quality of play.
Totally get that but even prior to re-signing him one could ascertain that the 50 game run he had in that magical 2019 season was just that.....magical and was going to be tough to live up to. There was a reason he was #4 in the depth charts in the minors.....and I think we're seeing it now. He's just not consistent, his angles are wretched and he's not making even the saves he should. He's had some good games here and there but he's definitely not a $6mil a year goalie. I think the Blues bet on the wrong horse here and it's going to suck big time because Husso 'was' the future and is showing why they were high on him for years. Just another solid Finnish goalie.
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Binnington will always have a soft spot in my heart due to the large role he played in the Blues finally winning a Cup, but if they find a way to move him so they can keep Husso, I will be good with it. Goalies can be so fragile, and he looks like just another mediocre goalie now.
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Bruins in Winnipeg tonight. Love the old school Jets unis.
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Bruins in Winnipeg tonight. Love the old school Jets unis.
I would've loved a W by the Jets.
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Binnington will always have a soft spot in my heart due to the large role he played in the Blues finally winning a Cup, but if they find a way to move him so they can keep Husso, I will be good with it. Goalies can be so fragile, and he looks like just another mediocre goalie now.
I get it. I’m there with you. That team and the players who were on it will always be special to me. It was awesome to experience after the years of Bear misses and heartaches.
BUT…..it’s a ‘what have you done for me lately’ league all Binnington has done is look like an average to below average goalie since. I will say though that prior to the Covid lockdown he and the Blues were playing lights out and were steamrolling into the playoffs. I have zero doubt they’d have defended their Cup had there been no stoppage. None of the Western conference teams looked as good as they did and they had that swagger going.
But since the return from the Covid pause he’s looked horrid.
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Binnington will always have a soft spot in my heart due to the large role he played in the Blues finally winning a Cup, but if they find a way to move him so they can keep Husso, I will be good with it. Goalies can be so fragile, and he looks like just another mediocre goalie now.
I get it. I’m there with you. That team and the players who were on it will always be special to me. It was awesome to experience after the years of Bear misses and heartaches.
BUT…..it’s a ‘what have you done for me lately’ league all Binnington has done is look like an average to below average goalie since. I will say though that prior to the Covid lockdown he and the Blues were playing lights out and were steamrolling into the playoffs. I have zero doubt they’d have defended their Cup had there been no stoppage. None of the Western conference teams looked as good as they did and they had that swagger going.
But since the return from the Covid pause he’s looked horrid.
I try not to play the "what if?" game with 2020, but they definitely looked great and would have had a good chance to repeat. It is what it is, though.
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Trade Deadline weekend is in full effect. A lot of moves. I think given the process of where they are at and waiting for injured guys to come back to the line-up, I'm content on the Kings not making any moves and just ride with playing the young guys and get them NHL played games.
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Giordano to the Leafs! That's a good get.
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Ok, the Kings acquired a guy for a 7th round pick. Troy Stecher from Detroit. No idea who he is, but he's a D and that's something to fill a hole while going through an injury wave, so all right.
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I know the Kraken have been terrible, but I thought the idea was to try to build on this core….not have a complete fire sale at the end of your first season.
I remember growing up with the inaugural Mariners and Seahawks. Most of those core players were with us through out my childhood. I was just getting to know the Kraken and it seems like at least half are out the door already.
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Jammin, my dude. Man oh man, I don't know what the heck your team is doing acquiring picks like crazy. I mean getting picks is fine if your scouting department is good. A reasonable get, if you needed to have a fire sale for the guys that's not going to be here next season, would have been to get some prospects that's on the cusp of cracking a NHL roster and build a future from there. At least, the Kraken's 1st round pick is going to be at least top 5, hopefully, you can get a guy to build a team around and go from there which seems to be their plan.
By the way, I got to give a shoutout to Kevin Weekes (analyst from ESPN). He's made this deadline a little more fun to read by announcing the breaking news trades from various areas. From the barber shop, from a nice looking bathroom, on the side of a freeway, in a hotel hallway, and in a hotel closet, etc.
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Jammin, my dude. Man oh man, I don't know what the heck your team is doing acquiring picks like crazy. I mean getting picks is fine if your scouting department is good.
So far, everyone that the Kraken have dumped are pending UFAs. Gotta think Francis' was planning this all along while building his 1st year team - get some vets and salary that get's the Kraken to the league min and guide the younger kids, only to unload them at the deadline for picks/prospects. It's an understandable strategy to unload them, but I wonder if this was the plan right from the expansion draft - or at least part of the thinking.
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I know the Kraken have been terrible, but I thought the idea was to try to build on this core….not have a complete fire sale at the end of your first season.
I remember growing up with the inaugural Mariners and Seahawks. Most of those core players were with us through out my childhood. I was just getting to know the Kraken and it seems like at least half are out the door already.
I don't mean to be down on your hometown team, but I don't know WTF Seattle has done from start to finish. They watched Vegas do amazing things and did absolutely nothing the same to predictable results. And perhaps the biggest WTF moment of them all was deciding they wanted a mostly young and unknown team and then they hired a coach who was a dumpster fire in Philly in bringing up young talent, which was supposed to be his specialty. Seattle could have been a lot better. Not in any way saying they could have repeated the Knights success or even made the playoffs their first year, but they could have certainly looked a lot better.
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Ok, the Kings acquired a guy for a 7th round pick. Troy Stecher from Detroit. No idea who he is, but he's a D and that's something to fill a hole while going through an injury wave, so all right.
He was good for the Wings last year, especially with mostly having the boat anchors that are Marc Staal and Danny DeKeyser for D partners. Provided good D and contributed offensively as well. This year, he was injured in the off-season, and never got the chance to break into the lineup, which, when looking at Detroit's defensemen this season, makes you wonder. A change of scenery will probably do him some good.
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I know the Kraken have been terrible, but I thought the idea was to try to build on this core….not have a complete fire sale at the end of your first season.
I remember growing up with the inaugural Mariners and Seahawks. Most of those core players were with us through out my childhood. I was just getting to know the Kraken and it seems like at least half are out the door already.
I don't mean to be down on your hometown team, but I don't know WTF Seattle has done from start to finish. They watched Vegas do amazing things and did absolutely nothing the same to predictable results. And perhaps the biggest WTF moment of them all was deciding they wanted a mostly young and unknown team and then they hired a coach who was a dumpster fire in Philly in bringing up young talent, which was supposed to be his specialty. Seattle could have been a lot better. Not in any way saying they could have repeated the Knights success or even made the playoffs their first year, but they could have certainly looked a lot better.
I'll completely agree that Hakstol is a dumpster fire. How they determined he was the best choice baffles me. He was largely unremarkable with the Leafs as an assistant. I do think that McPhee absolutely fleeced the league that expansion draft, and the 30 other GMs learned their lesson. I think in the time between LVK and Kraken, a lot of contracts were signed to expire in '21, so they didn't need to be protected. The available pool of unprotected players was of substantially lower quality. Plus, LVK got lucky with some of their picks ended up punching well above their weight class - Marchessault, McNabb, Karlsson, Huala, Perron. And then the players they got for negotiating their picks (eg, Theodore; and then they got Reilly Smith for agreeing to take Marchessault!) And of course, Fleury was quite the catch as well. Kraken had no such luck in any of those departments ... and of course, Grubauer turned out to be a dud.
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Georgiev finally showed up. Hopefully this is a continued trend and not a fluke performance. Being able to lean more on him down the home stretch to keep Shestyorkin fresh for the playoffs would be huge.
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Trade Deadline was kinda "meh" this year. Was kinda thinking with the spread between playoff teams and non-playoff teams in the Eastern Conference, that there'd be a lot of moves, but outside of Claude Giroux going to FL, there weren't a lot of blockbuster, arms race kind of deals.
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Pretty much. I don't know how the final trade count compares to previous years, but it felt lower. And certainly no big deals, aside from the previously mentioned Giroux deal. Giordano was a bit of a surprise, i suppose.
I do think FLA is well positioned to win the East if Giroux can fit in well with Barkov.
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I wanted to vomit today when I heard the Blues traded Sundqvist. And the fact that he went to the Red Wings is like a double finger poke in the eyes. :censored :censored
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Trade Deadline was kinda "meh" this year.
What'd'ya mean?!
The Kings acquired three guys I've never heard of for two guys I've never heard of and a 7th round draft choice. If that's not excitement, I don't know what is! :biggrin:
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Trade Deadline was kinda "meh" this year.
What'd'ya mean?!
The Kings acquired three guys I've never heard of for two guys I've never heard of and a 7th round draft choice. If that's not excitement, I don't know what is! :biggrin:
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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Pretty much. I don't know how the final trade count compares to previous years, but it felt lower. And certainly no big deals, aside from the previously mentioned Giroux deal. Giordano was a bit of a surprise, i suppose.
I do think FLA is well positioned to win the East if Giroux can fit in well with Barkov.
By the time the Rakell trade came along, TSN had today alone tracked at 25 trades (18 last year I think). The'd shown the running total for the last 5 years, and one year ('17 I think) had 32. Every other year was in the mid 20s iirc.
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I wanted to vomit today when I heard the Blues traded Sundqvist. And the fact that he went to the Red Wings is like a double finger poke in the eyes. :censored :censored
Yzerman strikes again!
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:biggrin: :biggrin:
In all seriousness, though, I hope Nick Leddy finds his NY Islanders form in St. Louis. He was a good locker room guy in Detroit and he’s got a ton of playoff experience.
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I wanted to vomit today when I heard the Blues traded Sundqvist. And the fact that he went to the Red Wings is like a double finger poke in the eyes. :censored :censored
Yzerman strikes again!
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:biggrin: :biggrin:
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I do like how the worm has turned, though.
The Red Wings are now a crappy ass team that is already out of playoff contention with two months left in the season, while the Blues are a recent Cup winner that has a decent shot at making a deep run again this postseason. I will take this over the nausea of the 90s and 00s. :lol :lol
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I do like how the worm has turned, though.
The Red Wings are now a crappy ass team that is already out of playoff contention with two months left in the season, while the Blues are a recent Cup winner that has a decent shot at making a deep run again this postseason. I will take this over the nausea of the 90s and 00s. :lol :lol
Considering the Wings have had to do a “tear it down to the studs” type of rebuild, I think things are trending in the right direction for them even if they suck now. I trust in the Yzerplan, and if he continues to hit on 1st round picks like he has with Seider and Raymond, they’ll be hoisting the Cup in Little Caesar’s Palace before too long.
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Considering the Wings have had to do a “tear it down to the studs” type of rebuild, I think things are trending in the right direction for them even if they suck now. I trust in the Yzerplan, and if he continues to hit on 1st round picks like he has with Seider and Raymond, they’ll be hoisting the Cup in Little Caesar’s Palace before too long.
Let's hope not. :)
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I dunno what you Blues fans are griping about... Leddy has 16 points as a d-man; Sundqvist has 15 as the what ... 3rd/4th line centre. Cap hit is the same, and Leddy is a solid stay-at-home / shut-down guy. The Blues are pretty deep at centre, come playoff time when Thomas and Bozak will be back from injuries. Plus, the deal sheds 725k of cap space.
You guys can find everything/anything to complain about how the Blues got shafted, eh?
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Alright, let's recap the major trades per TSN this year.
Calgary gets Tyler Toffoli from Montreal for Pitlick, Heineman, a 2024 5th and a 2022 1st. Only major asset Calgary gives up is the 1st rounder, and they get a guy I remember fondly in a reduced role helping Kings get some cups. Assuming he lives up to his remaining contract this seems like a good get for the Flames.
Toronto gets Dzingel and Lyubushkin from Arizona for Ritchie and 2025 pick. Other than Dzingel, barely, don't know much about this. Chad/Leaf hosers, any thoughts?
Avalanche get Manson for Helleson and a 2023 2nd. Honestly, Ducks are a team I haven't seen much of at all lately, but anytime Colorado adds to their team the rest of the West has to be a bit worried.
Ben Chiarot to Panthers for Smilanic, 2023 1st, and 2022 4th to the Canadiens. The first seemed like a little bit of an overpay, but I'm not overly familiar with Chiarot.
Calgary adds more up front with Jarnkrok from Seattle for a 2022 2nd, 2023 3rd, and 2024 7th. Seems like a fair return for a good forward with a cool cousin tie in with Calgary.
Tampa gets Hagel, a 2022 and 2024 4th while sending Katchouk, Raddysh, a 2023 and 2024 1st to Chicago. Maybe I haven't seen enough of Hagel, but this seems like an overpay by Tampa. They are kinda crunched on the cap and it feels like they just wanted to make whatever move gives them any better chance of going three in a row.
Bruins get Lindholm and Curran from Anaheim for a 2022 1st, 2023 and 2024 2nd, Vaakanainen and Moore. Unquestionably an overpay for Boston if just a rental, but they did get the 8 year extension done. With that in mind it's going to be all about what he does over the next few years especially to see if this was a good trade or not. End of the day I still don't see Boston as a huge contender this year.
Panthers get Giroux, Bunnaman, Rubstov and a 2025 5th for Tippett, a 2024 1st and a 2023 3rd. Reports on Giroux vary from him only allowing a trade to Florida to strongly preferring a trade to Tampa, and in either case the Flyers were a little tied up in what they could get as a result. As someone who sees the team as a few years from strong contention I wish the Flyers would have gotten a strong younger prospect as opposed to Tippett who they threw right into their NHL lineup. Panthers got the best forward at the deadline, and went from great to scary great in the East between this and other trades.
TBC
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Anyone have some anecdotal insights on Artturi Lehkonen? Not the biggest guy. Guessing he is pretty scrappy for his size. Has some skills, including good two way player. In fact, I found an article online about how excellent he is defensively.
Worth a young prospect (Barron), AND a 2nd round pick (which he was in 2013)? I know it's about fit....as well as going for the Cup NOW.
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Major trades, continued.
Leafs get Giordano along with Blackwell from the Kraken for a 2022 and 2023 2nd and a 2024 3rd. With Giordano the center piece here it seems like a lot for an older D rental, seems like they may have missed out on Lindholm and went on to a fallback plan.
Minnesota gets some flower power in goal for a 2022 1st. This is really an interesting trade. Minnesota was looking good already, and had solid goaltending with Cam Talbot. The price for someone like Fleury is fair at this point I think, but I'm shocked a team with playoff hopes and far less spectacular goaltending (read: Oilers) didn't make a trade like this.
And it wasn't marked as a major trade, but I'm adding the NYR getting Braun from Philly for a 2023 3rd as I think we gave our division rivals a great push. Braun has been excellent for us at a good cap hit playing further up the line than he should. If he's played as a reliable 3rd pair guy he's going to make any team a lot better as a result.
And then of course there is the "trade" that may or may not happen for Dadonov. Really interesting scenario there. Some people on twitter are raging against his agent, some against the Senators, and some against the Knights. Anaheim seems to be the only ones one know is laying any blame at. Going to be cool to see how this plays out.
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Nick... you missed all the big trades from Sunday/yesterday? Edit ... ok, you're catching up.
As for the AZ/Tor trade you referenced, Dzingel is already gone. He got placed on waivers* and claimed by the Sharks. As for Lyubushkin, my take is that he's gonna play the role that Bagosian played - heavy, grinding, tough in the d-zone kinda 5th/6th guy. Though, he's currently paired with Reilly - which is probably the exact kind of partner Reilly needs.
As for Lehkonen, I'd say he's quite a fiesty and pesky little fucker. Kinda like Marchand, without all the point. It's a good get for a 3rd/4th liner.
*In Dubas' presser yesterday, he mentioned that the Leafs have had 11 players claimed off waivers from them in the last four years - more than double any other team? Sucks to have signed that Finnish gold-medal winning 'tender on Sunday, only to have AZ claim him off waivers. Hardly fair to that kid - thinks he's signing an NHL deal with one team, then just to get picked by another team - the Coyotes no less.
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Major trades, continued.
Leafs get Giordano along with Blackwell from the Kraken for a 2022 and 2023 2nd and a 2024 3rd. With Giordano the center piece here it seems like a lot for an older D rental, seems like they may have missed out on Lindholm and went on to a fallback plan.
I actually don't think so. Up until mid-Feb, Brodie/Reilly had been the top pair (including all of last season), and a great tandem. Keefe broke them up, shuffling a few different partners for Reilly, and their defence struggled in turn (coupled with Muzzin's injury). Part of me wonders if there's been a plan in the works to target Giordano (and pairing him back up with Brodie) for a while.
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Regarding Fleury, I think he had a modified no-trade clause, and I don't think he considered Edmonton or the rumored Toronto to be an option at all. Wild had a good pickup there and set up nicely for him to get one more shot at a deep run.
As for the Dadonov trade between Ducks and Golden Knights, that's quite a mess. Dadonov had a modified-NTC where he didn't want to get traded to the Ducks and apparently the Golden Knights didn't know what list of teams he didn't want to go to, but did the trade anyway. Apparently, the Senators (the original team that traded Dadonov to Vegas) may have dropped the ball in not providing the list. The trade could end up getting voided because of this confusion. Also, Ryan Kessler's contract, that the Ducks somehow still has, that's been on injury reserved (not LTIR since the Ducks didn't need to use it to go over the max cap hit) was involved in the trade as well.
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As for Lehkonen, I'd say he's quite a fiesty and pesky little fucker. Kinda like Marchand, without all the point. It's a good get for a 3rd/4th liner.
Thanks for the info. Kind of what I was thinking as well. Look forward to seeing how much he can help in the playoff environment (as well as with the veteran Cogliano). Perhaps another shrewd move by Joe Sakic.
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Regarding Fleury, I think he had a modified no-trade clause, and I don't think he considered Edmonton or the rumored Toronto to be an option at all. Wild had a good pickup there and set up nicely for him to get one more shot at a deep run.
As for the Dadonov trade between Ducks and Golden Knights, that's quite a mess. Dadonov had a modified-NTC where he didn't want to get traded to the Ducks and apparently the Golden Knights didn't know what list of teams he didn't want to go to, but did the trade anyway. Apparently, the Senators (the original team that traded Dadonov to Vegas) may have dropped the ball in not providing the list. The trade could end up getting voided because of this confusion. Also, Ryan Kessler's contract, that the Ducks somehow still has, that's been on injury reserved (not LTIR since the Ducks didn't need to use it to go over the max cap hit) was involved in the trade as well.
For Dadonov, what makes it crazy to me is that IF Vegas truly did not have a list because something wasn't properly filed, and the counted on moving him for cap space, can you now punish them and force him to stay by negating the trade? If the Senators are at fault somehow, do they get penalized? I just don't see any way to resolve this with all parties being treated fairly and happy.
Didn't follow the Fleury story closely enough to see what teams he may or may not have nixed, but that's interesting he wouldn't potentially do Toronto or Edmonton.
Chad, thanks for those updates. Honestly, out of the East, I think Toronto still has a tough time getting to the finals. That said, my big question for you... after moved and the season thus far, do the Leafs finally make it out of the first round?
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I'll echo the Fleury-to-Toronto rumours ... word around here was that he himself nixed that - and I don't blame him, nor think that's what this team needed.
It's gonna be a slog for whoever does make it out of the East. Those are 8 dynamite teams. As for the Leafs, I don't know which is preferable - a round one matchup with Tampa, Boston, or Carolina. All look to be very viable options at the moment. *Can* they make it out of Round 1 - sure. *Will* they ... Who knows. Every Round 1 matchup is gonna be tough.
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So I thought these were fucking cool as hell:
(https://cms.nhl.bamgrid.com/images/photos/332098968/1024x576/cut.jpg)
https://www.nhl.com/news/toronto-third-jerseys-designed-by-justin-bieber/c-332087670
Then I found out Justin Beiber "designed" them - so now I hate them.
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It does looks pretty nifty. I like the one on the right.
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I'm with Kev about being torn up over Sundquist leaving. The dude is a jack of all trades and when healthy is the engine of the team. He had double hip and knee surgery over the off season and everyone knew that a full recovery on that to be back at full form was a good year of playing. He was definitely playing below his capability this season but still has a year on his contract and I'd have liked to see how he faired next season after a full recovery. IF he returns to form that trade is utterly brutal for the Blues and a steal for Detroit....heck....considering that all we got was Leddy I'd say it's already a steal.
I'm actually fine with Armstrong not throwing away pics or young talent to get into the rental sweepstakes of the folks who were available. Publicly he'll say that he believes in this team and that we didn't need this or that but he and anyone who's watched the Blues this season know that the Blues can probably win round one....and then after that they're a tune up for a team who's going to make a deep run. It's unfortunate because this is probably the most talented and dynamic group of forwards they've had in two decades....by end of season they'll have (8) 20 goal scorers....but our defense is just wretched. No grit or fight....bunch of sissies actually. So, at least he retained some bargaining chips for the summer and I'll just hold out hope they catch fire at the right time....otherwise it's a one and done for them.
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So I thought these were fucking cool as hell:
(https://cms.nhl.bamgrid.com/images/photos/332098968/1024x576/cut.jpg)
https://www.nhl.com/news/toronto-third-jerseys-designed-by-justin-bieber/c-332087670
Then I found out Justin Beiber "designed" them - so now I hate them.
The jersey on the right looks too much like Boston colors for my comfort. Might as well put Chief Blackhawk on a Wings jersey!
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I'm with Kev about being torn up over Sundquist leaving. The dude is a jack of all trades and when healthy is the engine of the team. He had double hip and knee surgery over the off season and everyone knew that a full recovery on that to be back at full form was a good year of playing. He was definitely playing below his capability this season but still has a year on his contract and I'd have liked to see how he faired next season after a full recovery. IF he returns to form that trade is utterly brutal for the Blues and a steal for Detroit....heck....considering that all we got was Leddy I'd say it's already a steal.
I'm actually fine with Armstrong not throwing away pics or young talent to get into the rental sweepstakes of the folks who were available. Publicly he'll say that he believes in this team and that we didn't need this or that but he and anyone who's watched the Blues this season know that the Blues can probably win round one....and then after that they're a tune up for a team who's going to make a deep run. It's unfortunate because this is probably the most talented and dynamic group of forwards they've had in two decades....by end of season they'll have (8) 20 goal scorers....but our defense is just wretched. No grit or fight....bunch of sissies actually. So, at least he retained some bargaining chips for the summer and I'll just hold out hope they catch fire at the right time....otherwise it's a one and done for them.
Eight 20-goal scorers is impressive.
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So I thought these were fucking cool as hell:
(https://cms.nhl.bamgrid.com/images/photos/332098968/1024x576/cut.jpg)
https://www.nhl.com/news/toronto-third-jerseys-designed-by-justin-bieber/c-332087670
Then I found out Justin Beiber "designed" them - so now I hate them.
The jersey on the right looks too much like Boston colors for my comfort. Might as well put Chief Blackhawk on a Wings jersey!
Yeah, I don't care who designed them, the one on the left is excellent. The one on the right, can't judge it as a Leafs jersey, it immediately takes me to the Bruins as well.
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It's quite telling when people see black and yellow on a jersey, they immediately think Bruins rather than Penguins.
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It's quite telling when people see black and yellow on a jersey, they immediately think Bruins rather than Penguins.
If it was a black and yellow pacifier, I'd be more inclined to go Penguins. :corn
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Eight 20-goal scorers is impressive.
Current Totals:
Kyrou - 22 Goals, 38 Assists
Tarasenko - 20 Goals, 34 Assists
Buchnevich - 19 Goals, 28 Assists
Barbachev - 19 Goals, 25 Assists
Perron - 21 Goals, 19 Assists
Schenn - 17 Goals, 22 Assists
Saad - 18 Goals, 16 Assists
O'Reily - 13 Goals, 26 Assists
Thomas - 12 Goals, 36 Assists
So, you have 7 pretty much certain......with O'Reily and Thomas with legit shots to get to 20. Forwards have been great this season and the PP has been fun to watch. This team is actually guilty all the time for 'over' passing the puck....it looks great but they get caught up with these sweet passes instead of one of them just burying the F'n puck >:( It's bit them in the :censored a few times.
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So I thought these were fucking cool as hell:
(https://cms.nhl.bamgrid.com/images/photos/332098968/1024x576/cut.jpg)
https://www.nhl.com/news/toronto-third-jerseys-designed-by-justin-bieber/c-332087670
Then I found out Justin Beiber "designed" them - so now I hate them.
The blue one is pretty cool. The other one looks as much like a Bruins jersey as anything else. Also, the leaf looks like a face with two eyes and the word "LEAFS" as a mouth, and the left and right sides of the leaf looks like arms extended in celebration. It's a happy little leaf!
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So I thought these were fucking cool as hell:
(https://cms.nhl.bamgrid.com/images/photos/332098968/1024x576/cut.jpg)
https://www.nhl.com/news/toronto-third-jerseys-designed-by-justin-bieber/c-332087670
Then I found out Justin Beiber "designed" them - so now I hate them.
Left is cool. What pg said about the yellow version is spot on.
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Back in the 80s and 90s, when he was relevant, Don Cherry used to have this series of videos call Rock 'em Sock 'em Hockey. Every year he'd put out a 'best of'. This was back in the time before every sports channel and nhl.com had highlight packages out the ying yang. Anyway, one year he did a video on 'unbeatable' records - which almost all that I remember him highlighting, are still unbroken. The only one I can think of that was broken was Brodeur beating Sawchuk's all-time shut out record. You know, the usual records ... Orr's +128; Gretzky's 92 goals, and 50-in-39; Glen Hall's 502 consecutive games played. One I also remember him highlighting (naturally), was the 77/78 Bruins having 11 20-goal scorers. ELEVEN!! At the time, I didn't think much about it, but that's every player on the top 3 lines, and 2 defencemen. That's insane!
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Back in the 80s and 90s, when he was relevant, Don Cherry used to have this series of videos call Rock 'em Sock 'em Hockey. Every year he'd put out a 'best of'. This was back in the time before every sports channel and nhl.com had highlight packages out the ying yang. Anyway, one year he did a video on 'unbeatable' records - which almost all that I remember him highlighting, are still unbroken. The only one I can think of that was broken was Brodeur beating Sawchuk's all-time shut out record. You know, the usual records ... Orr's +128; Gretzky's 92 goals, and 50-in-39; Glen Hall's 502 consecutive games played. One I also remember him highlighting (naturally), was the 77/78 Bruins having 11 20-goal scorers. ELEVEN!! At the time, I didn't think much about it, but that's every player on the top 3 lines, and 2 defencemen. That's insane!
Yeah, 11 20+ goal scorers is unbeatable. I remember the sharks had something like 6 or 7 in their prime years during the mid-000's, and that was pretty exceptional.
Teemu's 76 rookie goals is also unbeatable in an era where nobody scores 70 in a season, let alone a rookie.
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Back in the 80s and 90s, when he was relevant, Don Cherry used to have this series of videos call Rock 'em Sock 'em Hockey. Every year he'd put out a 'best of'. This was back in the time before every sports channel and nhl.com had highlight packages out the ying yang. Anyway, one year he did a video on 'unbeatable' records - which almost all that I remember him highlighting, are still unbroken. The only one I can think of that was broken was Brodeur beating Sawchuk's all-time shut out record. You know, the usual records ... Orr's +128; Gretzky's 92 goals, and 50-in-39; Glen Hall's 502 consecutive games played. One I also remember him highlighting (naturally), was the 77/78 Bruins having 11 20-goal scorers. ELEVEN!! At the time, I didn't think much about it, but that's every player on the top 3 lines, and 2 defencemen. That's insane!
Yeah, 11 20+ goal scorers is unbeatable. I remember the sharks had something like 6 or 7 in their prime years during the mid-000's, and that was pretty exceptional.
Teemu's 76 rookie goals is also unbeatable in an era where nobody scores 70 in a season, let alone a rookie.
Florida has 6 already, and as Gary's pointed out, 7 is virtually certain for the Blues. Few other teams have got 5 already with a good shot at 7.
Speaking of unbreakable records, I thought it was comical earlier in the season when people were saying Makar might beat Coffey's 48 goals. I don't see that ever being broken.
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Sundqvist with a goal and an assist in his first game with the Wings.
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Well, that was a fun game between the Kings and Predators. To me, it almost felt like a playoff game (which is fine, since these kids this team is icing needs to know how to react to the pressure of it). The Predators was playing a pretty fast, and heavy and hard kind of game from the 2nd onwards after the Kings scored the 1st three goals. I'm honestly surprised that Predators didn't play Saros after he saved 46 shots in the last time these two teams met. He played the day before against the Ducks. All four forward lines played a solid enough game and knew their roles against this Predators team. Kempe had two goals (one of them was an empty net with 7 minutes left in the game). Byfield had two goals (one of them was where the goalie was really out of position and after that goal, there was still 6 minutes left in the 3rd). Things are clicking which is fine with me while this team is waiting for guys to come back from injury.
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Vegas is in quite the free fall - out of the wildcard spot this morning. Tampa is also in a bit of a funk, and could find themselves in the wildcard spot by the weekend. He East is fucking tight for all 8 spots, and the West WC race is gonna be fun to watch
20ish games to go for most teams. It’s good to be a hockey fan!
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I'm with Kev about being torn up over Sundquist leaving. The dude is a jack of all trades and when healthy is the engine of the team. He had double hip and knee surgery over the off season and everyone knew that a full recovery on that to be back at full form was a good year of playing. He was definitely playing below his capability this season but still has a year on his contract and I'd have liked to see how he faired next season after a full recovery. IF he returns to form that trade is utterly brutal for the Blues and a steal for Detroit....heck....considering that all we got was Leddy I'd say it's already a steal.
I'm actually fine with Armstrong not throwing away pics or young talent to get into the rental sweepstakes of the folks who were available. Publicly he'll say that he believes in this team and that we didn't need this or that but he and anyone who's watched the Blues this season know that the Blues can probably win round one....and then after that they're a tune up for a team who's going to make a deep run. It's unfortunate because this is probably the most talented and dynamic group of forwards they've had in two decades....by end of season they'll have (8) 20 goal scorers....but our defense is just wretched. No grit or fight....bunch of sissies actually. So, at least he retained some bargaining chips for the summer and I'll just hold out hope they catch fire at the right time....otherwise it's a one and done for them.
Agreed. Sundqvist is one of those "he does a little bit of everything" guys, and brings toughness, which is key in this sport, and you hate to lose a gritty player like that.
I get them wanting to get help on D, though, for sure. As much as we have talked at length about Binnington's struggles, there are far too many games where our goalie, whether it is Binnington or Husso, is left hanging out to dry far too often to where goals are allowed and you are like, "Where is the help in front of him?" I love seeing so many guys on the team pitching in when it comes to scoring, but you can't go far in the playoffs being that leaky defensively.
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I'm with Kev about being torn up over Sundquist leaving. The dude is a jack of all trades and when healthy is the engine of the team. He had double hip and knee surgery over the off season and everyone knew that a full recovery on that to be back at full form was a good year of playing. He was definitely playing below his capability this season but still has a year on his contract and I'd have liked to see how he faired next season after a full recovery. IF he returns to form that trade is utterly brutal for the Blues and a steal for Detroit....heck....considering that all we got was Leddy I'd say it's already a steal.
I'm actually fine with Armstrong not throwing away pics or young talent to get into the rental sweepstakes of the folks who were available. Publicly he'll say that he believes in this team and that we didn't need this or that but he and anyone who's watched the Blues this season know that the Blues can probably win round one....and then after that they're a tune up for a team who's going to make a deep run. It's unfortunate because this is probably the most talented and dynamic group of forwards they've had in two decades....by end of season they'll have (8) 20 goal scorers....but our defense is just wretched. No grit or fight....bunch of sissies actually. So, at least he retained some bargaining chips for the summer and I'll just hold out hope they catch fire at the right time....otherwise it's a one and done for them.
Agreed. Sundqvist is one of those "he does a little bit of everything" guys, and brings toughness, which is key in this sport, and you hate to lose a gritty player like that.
I get them wanting to get help on D, though, for sure. As much as we have talked at length about Binnington's struggles, there are far too many games where our goalie, whether it is Binnington or Husso, is left hanging out to dry far too often to where goals are allowed and you are like, "Where is the help in front of him?" I love seeing so many guys on the team pitching in when it comes to scoring, but you can't go far in the playoffs being that leaky defensively.
Amen brother .. this as been the Leafs' issue the past 2 months. You can only "outscore your mistakes" so many times, and it's sure as shit a losing strategy come playoff time.
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Well, that was a fun game between the Kings and Predators. To me, it almost felt like a playoff game (which is fine, since these kids this team is icing needs to know how to react to the pressure of it). The Predators was playing a pretty fast, and heavy and hard kind of game from the 2nd onwards after the Kings scored the 1st three goals. I'm honestly surprised that Predators didn't play Saros after he saved 46 shots in the last time these two teams met. He played the day before against the Ducks. All four forward lines played a solid enough game and knew their roles against this Predators team. Kempe had two goals (one of them was an empty net with 7 minutes left in the game). Byfield had two goals (one of them was where the goalie was really out of position and after that goal, there was still 6 minutes left in the 3rd). Things are clicking which is fine with me while this team is waiting for guys to come back from injury.
That Byfield goal was such a horrible play by the goalie. He had no business being that far out on that play. I missed most of the first period. Took me a while to realize the game was only on ESPN+. Things really could have taken a turn for the worse when the Preds got that early goal in the 2nd, but the Kings did a great job of weathering the storm in the 2nd and first part of the 3rd. I don't see the Kings catching Calgary, but I think there's enough of a cushion between them and Vegas that we'll be looking at a series with Edmonton for the first time since the old Smythe Division days.
Speaking of ESPN+, what does everyone think about Leah Hextall? It took a few minutes to adjust to having a female voice calling the game, and I think I like her voice in most instances. However, there seemed to be some hesitation in her call, and her voice shot up an octave when action started around the net. It was almost like she was surprised. Really like Ray Ferraro as a color commentator.
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So the NHL made it official, they have voided the Dadonov trade from Vegas to Anaheim due to Anaheim being on his Modified-NTC list. They are going to treat this as if the trade never happened. That was two days that led to this result.
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They don't have to be pretty, a W equals 2 points - and the Leafs leapfrog Tampa (for the moment - they have a game in hand). I would've hoped for a more dominating game against the 7th place team in their division coming off of a back-to-back and travel day, but once again they hit a hot goalie. Thankfully, they did just enough offensively (2 shortie's), and got the job done defensively (1 of those SH goals was on a 4-minute kill).
Montreal on Saturday... they better crush them. Habs unloaded a few key players, and the Leafs need to stay hungry. I'm gonna lose my shit if they drop this one.
An uncommon regular-time loss by the Avs (at home no less), and Buffalo topples the Pens in OT. Strange night.
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Get to attend the Blues vs Flyers tonight in the Company suite! Opens at 5:30 for dinner and then get to enjoy the game from luxury I suppose. Looking forward to it. This is one of those nights when I was drinking that'd I'd have made sure to take full advantage of the open bar :lol I'll slam a soda or two (which I normally don't drink) just to make it all worth it.
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Get to attend the Blues vs Flyers tonight in the Company suite! Opens at 5:30 for dinner and then get to enjoy the game from luxury I suppose. Looking forward to it. This is one of those nights when I was drinking that'd I'd have made sure to take full advantage of the open bar :lol I'll slam a soda or two (which I normally don't drink) just to make it all worth it.
Woot! Go Blues!
Because I support you and want you to be happy.
And not because I'm looking for a good draft pick. No, not that at all.
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Get to attend the Blues vs Flyers tonight in the Company suite! Opens at 5:30 for dinner and then get to enjoy the game from luxury I suppose. Looking forward to it. This is one of those nights when I was drinking that'd I'd have made sure to take full advantage of the open bar :lol I'll slam a soda or two (which I normally don't drink) just to make it all worth it.
Woot! Go Blues!
Because I support you and want you to be happy.
And not because I'm looking for a good draft pick. No, not that at all.
:lol Of course not! Funny thing is the last time I was at the Enterprise Center was sitting in a corporate suite (my sis in law took me with her company) to watch the 2020 All Star game. Shortly after this thing happened....you may have heard of it.....covid....and well.....haven't been to a game since.
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Have fun, Gary! :tup :tup
My cousin and I are going to the Wild game on the 8th next month, so I am looking forward to that. Will be my first Blues game in years. :coolio
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jingle.son and I are going to the Sabres/Canes game on the 5th. Canes are his 2nd fave team, and we were supposed to go to the game in Ottawa on 1/27th, but Omicron kibosh'd that. We have seats on the glass at one of the blue-lines.
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We have seats on the glass at one of the blue-lines.
Glass seats area blast :metal
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I love pounding on the glass. So much fun.
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When I was in my early 20s, I was big into the WHL team in Spokane. We ALWAYS got the seats in the section right next to the penalty box. I can’t speak for NHL crowds because I’ve never been to an NHL game. But at the minor league level, that entire section was a very different breed. We were absolutely like a WWE crowd. Unruly, a bit obnoxious, absolutely relentless when an opposing player ended up in the box. We were definitely the reason some of those kids tried to jump the barrier.
I mean, I’m 52 and pretty level headed these days…but 30 years ago I almost have to laugh at how over the line that entire section of people were.
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So I thought these were fucking cool as hell:
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https://www.nhl.com/news/toronto-third-jerseys-designed-by-justin-bieber/c-332087670
Then I found out Justin Beiber "designed" them - so now I hate them.
Going back to this. I thought they were doing two different jerseys. I didn't realize that the one on the right was the inside of the jersey of the left.
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Oh, I was wondering why the numbers were backwards on the sleeve.
Just goes to show that every Maple Leaf is a little Bruin on the inside.
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Oh, I was wondering why the numbers were backwards on the sleeve.
Just goes to show that every Maple Leaf is a little Bruin on the inside.
:lol :lol
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Oh, I was wondering why the numbers were backwards on the sleeve.
Just goes to show that every Maple Leaf is a little Bruin on the inside.
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I'm amazed that Florida is still in First Place. Andrew Brunette has done a great job. I thought they'd be in trouble when Joel Quennvile resigned.
I keep waiting for Tampa to take them over, but it hasn't happened.
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I'm amazed that Florida is still in First Place. Andrew Brunette has done a great job. I thought they'd be in trouble when Joel Quennvile resigned.
I keep waiting for Tampa to take them over, but it hasn't happened.
Tampa is no longer the feared monster they were the past few years. Point has been a bit of a bust this year. Of course, that could all change come playoff time, but they're in a bit of a funk atm.
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Tampa is no longer the feared monster they were the past few years. Point has been a bit of a bust this year. Of course, that could all change come playoff time, but they're in a bit of a funk atm.
48 games played, 23 goals and 45 pts. Who in the hell calls that a bit of a bust? If a player like that plays at that pace for the Kings, he would be their best player.
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Poor Gary is having to witness another lovely performance by Binnington live. :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Tampa is no longer the feared monster they were the past few years. Point has been a bit of a bust this year. Of course, that could all change come playoff time, but they're in a bit of a funk atm.
48 games played, 23 goals and 45 pts. Who in the hell calls that a bit of a bust? If a player like that plays at that pace for the Kings, he would be their best player.
My use of the word "bust" was relative, not absolute. Given his past performances, and current expectations, less than a point-per-game average has to be considered under-performance.
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Poor Gary is having to witness another lovely performance by Binnington live. :facepalm: :facepalm:
That was brutal. He literally should only start on the second game of back to backs. He’s just pathetic. Now his team didn’t do him any favors but I’m sure it was because they knew he’d let in three softies as usual so why even try?
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Poor Gary is having to witness another lovely performance by Binnington live. :facepalm: :facepalm:
That was brutal. He literally should only start on the second game of back to backs. He’s just pathetic. Now his team didn’t do him any favors but I’m sure it was because they knew he’d let in three softies as usual so why even try?
Ooof. Losing that bad to the Flyers is painful - trust me, I know (the Leafs have had some bad losses to the bottom feeders lately). I just watched the highlight package
1st goal against - hard to fault Binnington.... it was a perfect shot. The team was soft as shit on a hot summer night to allow let that easy of a breakout and entry into the Blues zone. Blame is on the 5 skaters.
2nd goal - everyone gets a piece of the blame. Juicy assed rebound, but terrible coverage all around by the skaters. Great job by Parayko to bang the Flyer into the crease and disrupt Binnington. :tup
3rd goal - full on Binnington swiss chees.
4th goal - brutal coverage
EN - Tarasanko just out-worked for the puck.
The opening line from the nhl.com recap says it all - "The Philadelphia Flyers ended their 13-game road skid with a 5-2 win against the St. Louis Blues at Enterprise Center on Thursday."
Ooof.
P.S. Martin fucking Jones was the opposing goalie too. Triple-ooof.
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I agree Chad.....it wasn't 'all' on Binnington but the team simply looks and plays better in front of other goalies. There's something to be said about that. Binnington's 'moxy' and cockiness was cool when he was lights out in 19', it's easy to stomach when you're backing up what your swagger is laying down. But, his attitude remains while the output is ugly.
The Blues have beat all the top teams this year and have looked unstoppable at times but they are massively guilty to 'playing down' to their opponent. Take a peek at this stat...
Blues' vs bottom-10 teams ...
Binnington (4-5-1)
NYI: 0-1
CHI: 2-0-1
PHI: 1-1
NJ: 0-1
OTT: 0-1-0
AZ: 1-1
Husso (5-1-2)
DET: 0-1
CHI: 1-0
BUF: 1-0
NJ: 0-0-1
OTT: 1-0
SEA: 2-0
MTL: 0-0-1
Lindgren (2-0)
DET: 1-0
MTL: 1-0
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"The Philadelphia Flyers ended their 13-game road skid with a 5-2 win against the St. Louis Blues at Enterprise Center on Thursday."
That's not even the best way to look at this particular oof.
Winning in St. Louis yesterday was the first road win for the Flyers in 2022.
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"The Philadelphia Flyers ended their 13-game road skid with a 5-2 win against the St. Louis Blues at Enterprise Center on Thursday."
That's not even the best way to look at this particular oof.
Winning in St. Louis yesterday was the first road win for the Flyers in 2022.
:(
As I mentioned before....I think this team has a good chance at a first round win....which I hope for not for the players but more for the owner Tom Stillman because he's just a class act that does whatever it takes for the Blues to be competitive.....but, should they pull off the first round 'W' that's about as far as it'll go. Honestly, I think this might be the year for Colorado as much as I detest them but they're just too talented to not make a deep run eventually....right?
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The tough part about looking at the 2nd string goalie record is how many times that game is night 2 of a B2B, with the additional factor of many of those being a travel day. Thos games are very difficult to win, even if the goalie is bringing his A-game.
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Got another Kings game with Leah Hextall last night. I think my ultimate conclusion is that I'm not a fan. And what they hell happened to Linda Cohn? In the heyday of ESPN, she, along with Dan Patrick, was cream of the crop. She was the "between the benches" person last night and did fine in that completely unneeded role, but she also did interviews between periods and asked the same inane questions as everyone else. I know she's a big hockey person, so I expected better.
All that said, and while getting the one point was nice, the Kings needed to be better against an also-ran Chicago team.
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I agree Chad.....it wasn't 'all' on Binnington but the team simply looks and plays better in front of other goalies. There's something to be said about that. Binnington's 'moxy' and cockiness was cool when he was lights out in 19', it's easy to stomach when you're backing up what your swagger is laying down. But, his attitude remains while the output is ugly.
The Blues have beat all the top teams this year and have looked unstoppable at times but they are massively guilty to 'playing down' to their opponent. Take a peek at this stat...
*snip*
I have nothing but love for Berube, but playing down to your level of competition is usually coaching, IMO (in just about any team sport). Simply put, Berube and his staff need to do a better job this season of getting the Blues "up" to play the bad teams.
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Got another Kings game with Leah Hextall last night. I think my ultimate conclusion is that I'm not a fan. And what they hell happened to Linda Cohn? In the heyday of ESPN, she, along with Dan Patrick, was cream of the crop. She was the "between the benches" person last night and did fine in that completely unneeded role, but she also did interviews between periods and asked the same inane questions as everyone else. I know she's a big hockey person, so I expected better.
All that said, and while getting the one point was nice, the Kings needed to be better against an also-ran Chicago team.
Ya…can I just state for the record that “in game” interviews (across all sports) is about the dumbest trend that the networks have ever invented? I’ve never heard anything but canned answers and canned responses that distract from the actual game and contribute nothing at all.
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Got another Kings game with Leah Hextall last night. I think my ultimate conclusion is that I'm not a fan.
She was on the Bruins broadcasts on NESN a few years ago, and I thought she was awful.
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Got another Kings game with Leah Hextall last night. I think my ultimate conclusion is that I'm not a fan.
She was on the Bruins broadcasts on NESN a few years ago, and I thought she was awful.
Did these broadcasters cut their chops in the juniors/minors like all good announcers (frankly every profession ... players, refs, coaches, etc...) or are they being thrown in the booth primarily due to their lack of an x chromosome? They need to hone their craft just like any male commentator/reporter. I just looked up Leah Hextall's wiki ... her first PbP gig was in 2018 (where she did a total of 4 games). She's never done PbP commentary as a full-time gig. I do recall hearing her once call a Jets game for Sportsnet, and wasn't too impressed with her capability. So yeah, it doesn't seem her hiring is based on experience or qualifications.
The CBC/Sportsnet crew has one female on color, and a few studio commentators, including Caroline Cameron as a host during the week - she's fantastic. I've got no problem with the ladies on the mic, they just have to do a good job.
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Got another Kings game with Leah Hextall last night. I think my ultimate conclusion is that I'm not a fan.
She was on the Bruins broadcasts on NESN a few years ago, and I thought she was awful.
Did these broadcasters cut their chops in the juniors/minors like all good announcers (frankly every profession ... players, refs, coaches, etc...) or are they being thrown in the booth primarily due to their lack of an x chromosome? They need to hone their craft just like any male commentator/reporter. I just looked up Leah Hextall's wiki ... her first PbP gig was in 2018 (where she did a total of 4 games). She's never done PbP commentary as a full-time gig. I do recall hearing her once call a Jets game for Sportsnet, and wasn't too impressed with her capability. So yeah, it doesn't seem her hiring is based on experience or qualifications.
The CBC/Sportsnet crew has one female on color, and a few studio commentators, including Caroline Cameron as a host during the week - she's fantastic. I've got no problem with the ladies on the mic, they just have to do a good job.
I've found with football there are quite a few female commentators that I like. With hockey that has... not quite been the case.
Flyers have Taryn Hatcher, who is awful and over several seasons has barely improved from her first broadcast. The other night on ESPN+ they had Hilary Knight, who is a great player, but was just terrible on that. She looked tense and out of place delivering the most basic, and I'm assuming pre-written lines of dialog.
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Ya…can I just state for the record that “in game” interviews (across all sports) is about the dumbest trend that the networks have ever invented? I’ve never heard anything but canned answers and canned responses that distract from the actual game and contribute nothing at all.
I don't mind the between periods interviews. Those have been happening as long as I can remember. They're never particularly eye-opening, but they're not bad either.
Did these broadcasters cut their chops in the juniors/minors like all good announcers (frankly every profession ... players, refs, coaches, etc...) or are they being thrown in the booth primarily due to their lack of an x chromosome? They need to hone their craft just like any male commentator/reporter. I just looked up Leah Hextall's wiki ... her first PbP gig was in 2018 (where she did a total of 4 games). She's never done PbP commentary as a full-time gig. I do recall hearing her once call a Jets game for Sportsnet, and wasn't too impressed with her capability. So yeah, it doesn't seem her hiring is based on experience or qualifications.
The CBC/Sportsnet crew has one female on color, and a few studio commentators, including Caroline Cameron as a host during the week - she's fantastic. I've got no problem with the ladies on the mic, they just have to do a good job.
That's the thing. They're being rushed to the highest stage because of their gender (and, in Hextall's case, because of who her father is). It's too bad.
I've found with football there are quite a few female commentators that I like. With hockey that has... not quite been the case.
Flyers have Taryn Hatcher, who is awful and over several seasons has barely improved from her first broadcast. The other night on ESPN+ they had Hilary Knight, who is a great player, but was just terrible on that. She looked tense and out of place delivering the most basic, and I'm assuming pre-written lines of dialog.
I can't think of any female in-the-booth announcers who have impressed me. Of course, I can't think of a ton in the first place, but yeah...they do need to cut their teeth rather than being given top level gigs just because. I think A.J. Mlesko (sp?) is pretty good. I also saw Hillary Knight in the studio with Steve Levy and Mark Messier. She seemed starstruck to be sitting next to Messier and barely spoke except when Levy would say, "and what do you think, Hillary?" Michelle Tafoya was excellent at what she did. Alanna Rizzo did a great job as the Dodgers' "sideline" reporter for a number of years. Those are the sorts of people who should be getting opportunities in the minors to see how they do.
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I must say that I love watching Mark Messier on these broadcasts. He is one cool motherfucker.
And while Chelios looks fantastic for 60, he's out of his league. I feel like he just shows up and wings it, while Messier is actually paying attention.
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Hilarious that Dadanov got the OT winner. Dude is turning into a champ before our eyes.
And would someone flicking beat Boston already!
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Hilarious that Dadanov got the OT winner.
After being named First Star, he should've skated around with two middle fingers aimed at the GM's suite.
And would someone flicking beat Boston already!
Cee you next Tuesday. ;D
Should be a great game!
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Hilarious that Dadanov got the OT winner. Dude is turning into a champ before our eyes.
And would someone flicking beat Boston already!
Wow. Bruins, while never really out of the playoff picture at all, was just sitting in the shadows, slowly picking up the pts. Now they just seems to just crank up the heat and wins since post-All Star break.
Does the Leafs want the Panthers, Bruins, or the Hurricanes?
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or the Bolts?
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Well, a sound and solid win today for the Kings. Two of the Kings' goals were scored by rookie defensemen this season (Sean Durzi and Jordan Spence). It's a pretty good assurance when all of the Right Defensemen from opening night is injured and the team still has good enough options to somewhat carry on. It does create a logjam for the offseason, especially when the Kings still has pretty good promising RD prospects in the pipelines. Why couldn't some of these guys end up being LD.
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So the Habs are the first team officially bounced from the playoffs, and they promptly get the best goaltending game of the year from Allen. You know you've dominated a team when you out-shoot them 2:1 ... the Leafs outshot the Habs 3:1 last night. And now they get Florida tonight. From the game summary "It was the most saves Allen has made in an NHL regular-season game and the most by a Canadiens goalie in a regular-season game against the Maple Leafs since 1955-56, when shots on goal began being officially tracked." Like fuck... this is the 5th or 6th game a normally ordinary goalie played like the second coming of Marty Brodeur against the Leafs.
They are really going to regret the 11 points they've left on the table against AZ, Buf, and Montreal since January - 0-5-1 against those three teams.
Hilarious that Dadanov got the OT winner. Dude is turning into a champ before our eyes.
And would someone flicking beat Boston already!
Wow. Bruins, while never really out of the playoff picture at all, was just sitting in the shadows, slowly picking up the pts. Now they just seems to just crank up the heat and wins since post-All Star break.
Does the Leafs want the Panthers, Bruins, or the Hurricanes?
I'd be surprised if anyone catches Florida, so it's looking like it's a tossup between the Bolts, Bruins, or Canes. Neither is an appealing option. Bruins would be best I think, but should they not win the round, it would be the biggest gut-punch in all of hockey history for Toronto fans. I certainly wouldn't want to go up against the 2-time defending champs who - while looking beatable this year - still have Vas, Headman, Kuch, Point, and Stammer. And Carolina is just solid top-to-bottom, with probably the best coach in the conference.
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Chad, Allen is what he is, but he played a great game against the Bruins last week which the Bruins won in OT. The Hanns had no business being in that game. He’s been playing great lately as has the team. Winning record under St. Louis.
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As for some of the other games last night, if you didn't see the extended highlight package of FLA/OTT, go watch it. The OT was RIDICULOUS. Bobs and Forsberg were both incredible.
Edmonton... what the actual fuck? I mean, I know Calgary is a very good team, but as entertaining as those first 2 periods were (I bailed at 1am), that was just a lot of bad defence and goaltending. The Flames look like they might be able to give Colorado some actual competition. That would be an amazing WCF given the way both teams are playing right now. I mean, Calgary has a better +/- than Colorado (albeit by 1).
Gary/Kev... were the Blues as bad as the score would suggest? I mean, two EN goals, so hard to tell looking at the stat sheet.
Chad, Allen is what he is, but he played a great game against the Bruins last week which the Bruins won in OT. The Hanns had no business being in that game. He’s been playing great lately as has the team. Winning record under St. Louis.
They've been playing decent - they're 4-3-3 in they're last 10. And that's kinda the point ... the Bruins found a way to get 2 points. The Leafs didn't. The Habs just unloaded some key players, and shouldn't have been a team that hangs with the Leafs. The Tavares line has been sucking ass lately - the team has been far too reliant on Matthews/Marner/Bunting, and it shows.
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I didn't see the game last night, but my cousin, who is usually the eternal optimist when it comes to the Blues, texted me during the game and said the Blues were making him sad, so it had to have been as ugly as the score. As he is the one going with me to a game in 12 days, we joked that they need to get it together by then. :lol :lol
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Yes Chad. They were that bad. They don’t look good at all. Lots of independent contractors skating on the ice right now…..no team thing going at all. I may have to amend my ‘first round win’ to ‘lucky to make wild card’ pretty soon.
The defense is just brutal. It’s painfully obvious now that…..while he’s not a super tier stud…..Petrangelo was the foundation that the Blues defense was built on. They, like me….believed Paryako could fill that void even if only at 85-90% of what Petro did…..but that was a huge assumption to make and it’s clear now just how special a defenseman Petro was. Our team D has been in shambles ever since he left for Vegas.
Having watched what it takes first hand with the Blues in 19’ to win the cup they aren’t even sniffing the surface of being close to deep playoff run competitive. They have flashes of it….but those are illusions.
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The Blues are looking absolutely dreadful and it wouldn't surprise me at all if they missed the playoffs considering how many Western teams are fighting for the wildcard spots right now. Yeah, they are missing Petro a great deal, but also Bouwmeester. At least there is still time to turn things around and for Binnington to get his swagger back when it matters the most. They were helped out a little last night by Dallas losing in one of the most exciting games I've seen all season. I hope somebody makes a compilation of all of the wide open empty nets the Stars have missed at close range this season--it's crazy!
If I were a Maple Leafs fan, the very last thing I'd want to do is lose yet another round against Boston, who are once again looking like serious cup contenders.
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... and then the Leafs go out and put together their best or 2nd best game of the season. Complete team effort on both ends of the ice.
I hope that's the team that shows up tomorrow in beantown.
Fuck being a fan of this team is frustrating. If they even grab 1/2 of those 11 missed points against the shit-kickers, then they're neck-and-neck with Florida for 1st.
And poor Detroit. Wow.
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Detroit looked like they were on the flight home halfway through the second. Blashill needs to go, but I'm guessing Yzerman is waiting for the end of the season. Wings are 3-10 so far this month, and getting blown out on the regular. After yesterday's debacle, they are now last in the league with a team GAA of 3.80. :o
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Well, a sound and solid win today for the Kings. Two of the Kings' goals were scored by rookie defensemen this season (Sean Durzi and Jordan Spence). It's a pretty good assurance when all of the Right Defensemen from opening night is injured and the team still has good enough options to somewhat carry on. It does create a logjam for the offseason, especially when the Kings still has pretty good promising RD prospects in the pipelines. Why couldn't some of these guys end up being LD.
Logjam, yes, but it's a good problem to have. Some of these guys become trade capital, but I think Durzi is a guy they try to build around. I've been impressed by his play all season.
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Well, a sound and solid win today for the Kings. Two of the Kings' goals were scored by rookie defensemen this season (Sean Durzi and Jordan Spence). It's a pretty good assurance when all of the Right Defensemen from opening night is injured and the team still has good enough options to somewhat carry on. It does create a logjam for the offseason, especially when the Kings still has pretty good promising RD prospects in the pipelines. Why couldn't some of these guys end up being LD.
Logjam, yes, but it's a good problem to have. Some of these guys become trade capital, but I think Durzi is a guy they try to build around. I've been impressed by his play all season.
The Wings would gladly take Byfield off the Kings' hands if needed!
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We said the logjam is RD. They can pile up all of the centers they want and those guys can play on the wing if needed. Young offense-driven LD and high-scoring wingers (and maybe a decent goalie prospect down the line) are still what the Kings are looking for and I hope they can find that in the off-season.
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Inaugural seasons are so much fun. Everything is a “first”
Tonight’s “first” is especially fun. It’s the first time I’ve ever heard the phrase “….and the Kraken are up by four!” ;D :angel:
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And now my first “Kraken up 5!”
I love finally having the NHL in Seattle!! ;D
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Even when they win, St. Louis drops the ball - the only winning team NOT to score 6 goals last night. :lol
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And now my first “Kraken up 5!”
I love finally having the NHL in Seattle!! ;D
Last night's game should make all of you Seattle hockey fans somewhat optimistic about where your team is going, although I'd like to believe it was just the Kings laying a massive egg.
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It's on like Donkey Kong tonight Chad.
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It's on like Donkey Kong tonight Chad.
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In addition to the Kraken having a rare celebratory night, the Buffalo Sabres gave their long-suffering fans a reason to smile by coming back from 0-4 and winning with 10 seconds to go on a fluky and hilarious goal that caused the Blackhawks goalie to smash his stick afterwards. Fun stuff!
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In addition to the Kraken having a rare celebratory night, the Buffalo Sabres gave their long-suffering fans a reason to smile by coming back from 0-4 and winning with 10 seconds to go on a fluky and hilarious goal that caused the Blackhawks goalie to smash his stick afterwards. Fun stuff!
Anything that frustrates that rotten organization makes me smile! :)
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I saw that highlight. Dude lost his shit - understandably so for that to be the winning goal with less than 15 seconds to go.
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Boom
Shacka
Lacka
Except for Mrazek getting injured again. Methinks he's done for the season, and potentially done for the Leafs. I can see them trying to unload that contract over the summer.
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Yeah, the Leafs came out swinging and the B's were on their heels for the 1st 2 periods. Enough to withstand the B's waking up a bit.
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Man, the Blues are a mess. Fell behind quickly last night 4-1 to the Oilers and Binnington got yanked. The good news is that they fought back and tied it and got it to OT to get a point, but it is hard to see this team at this point as a serious playoff threat when the defense is this leaky. Their OT record is terrible, so they could conceivably be 4-6 points better in the standings if they were even average in OT this season as they seem to suck at 3 on 3, and more good news is that goes away in the playoffs, but it's just hard to be optimistic about their chances right now. My only hope right now is that they finish in the 2 or 3 slot in the division, as I would rather not get drilled by the Avs in the first round again.
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^^ I mean first Wild Card spot would be against the Flames but the Blues had a stinker and then a good revenge game against them. Would you take your chances with that?
Avs would probably go against either Stars or Golden Knights at this rate.
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I watched the extended highlights of that game last night - I’m not sure which was worse - the goaltending or the Defense. Both sucked ass.
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Oh, I also heard that Philly is going to make Yandle a healthy scratch tonight, ending his steak at 989. Coaches rational was they want to give some young talent/prospects the opportunity to get some NHL time in. Normally that’s fine and expected for non playoff teams this time of year. BUT 11 GAMES FROM A 1000 GAME STREAK!?!?!?!? WTF.
Stay classy Philadelphia.
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Oh, I also heard that Philly is going to make Yandle a healthy scratch tonight, ending his steak at 989. Coaches rational was they want to give some young talent/prospects the opportunity to get some NHL time in. Normally that’s fine and expected for non playoff teams this time of year. BUT 11 GAMES FROM A 1000 GAME STREAK!?!?!?!? WTF.
Stay classy Philadelphia.
Ah, the old NY Giants treatment. Classic
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Oh, I also heard that Philly is going to make Yandle a healthy scratch tonight, ending his steak at 989. Coaches rational was they want to give some young talent/prospects the opportunity to get some NHL time in. Normally that’s fine and expected for non playoff teams this time of year. BUT 11 GAMES FROM A 1000 GAME STREAK!?!?!?!? WTF.
Stay classy Philadelphia.
Ah, the old NY Giants treatment. Classic
Actually, it's more like Babs/Modano
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Also, I'm not sure what's more shocking... the fact the Panthers were down 6-2 to the fucking Devils after 2 periods, or the fact they one 7-6 in OT.
No lead is safe with the Panthers.
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Interesting comparison...
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That's a big gap surprisingly.
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It's the +98 to -4 rating that jumped off the screen to me. That and the 200+ hits.
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Seriously.
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Whoop, whoop. 2-0-1 on the Canadian road trip against the Oilers, Flames, and Jets. Tough competition there and the Kings found a way to get 5 out of 6 pts. Now if only the other teams like Oilers, Golden Knights, and Stars just find a way to lose a little more. Tomorrow's schedule does not look to be the case though, but you never know.
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On the McAvoy vs Hedman comparision... Think about the kinda team Boston and Tampa were for each of those first 300 games. Hedman's Tampa team in 2010 was sub-.500; turned it around to get 103 points in 2011 (coincidence?); and then promptly went back to being a .500ish team in 2012 (coincidence?). The Bolts were a combined -82 in Hedman's first 3 seasons (vs McAvoy's Bruins were nearly +200 in his first 4 seasons). And he didn't have Chara as a line-mate in his rookie year, and McAvoy has never played a full 82 game season
I think McAvoy is more the exception than the rule in blossoming into an A-list goalie at his age. Most defenders don't reach their peak/prime until the late 20s (or later - Lidstrom didn't win his first Norris until his was 30). Look, I'm not ragging on McAvoy - he's a Top-10 d-man in the league ... I'd sooner have him over Reilly. But that comparison is cherry-picking, and hardly an apples to apples comp when you consider the situation of the teams each of those 300 games were played on.
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Bit of a sleepy first period by the Leafs, but then they just out-classed the Flyers - thankfully not playing 'down' to their competition as they often do. Hard to fault Hart on all of those goals, some were soft defence, others were just killer shots/plays.
And it was nice to have Montreal prevent Tampa from getting 2 points in a game featuring two former Blues goalies going head-to-head. Speaking of the Blues, it seems they're following an old strategy the Leafs used to employ - out-score your mistakes. Man, Markstrom had an off night (even though 2 of the goals were EN)
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Oh, I also heard that Philly is going to make Yandle a healthy scratch tonight, ending his steak at 989. Coaches rational was they want to give some young talent/prospects the opportunity to get some NHL time in. Normally that’s fine and expected for non playoff teams this time of year. BUT 11 GAMES FROM A 1000 GAME STREAK!?!?!?!? WTF.
Stay classy Philadelphia.
I get the "why now" thing, but you also have to look at the flip side, which is, why now?
Yandle has, from eye test to advanced metrics been one of, if not the absolute worst D-man regularly playing in the league this year. Frankly, by performance alone he should have been benched well before he ever broke the record. For a long time we sacrificed the good of the team over that record, so I have no problem with this happening now.
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On the McAvoy vs Hedman comparision... Think about the kinda team Boston and Tampa were for each of those first 300 games. Hedman's Tampa team in 2010 was sub-.500; turned it around to get 103 points in 2011 (coincidence?); and then promptly went back to being a .500ish team in 2012 (coincidence?). The Bolts were a combined -82 in Hedman's first 3 seasons (vs McAvoy's Bruins were nearly +200 in his first 4 seasons). And he didn't have Chara as a line-mate in his rookie year, and McAvoy has never played a full 82 game season
I think McAvoy is more the exception than the rule in blossoming into an A-list goalie at his age. Most defenders don't reach their peak/prime until the late 20s (or later - Lidstrom didn't win his first Norris until his was 30). Look, I'm not ragging on McAvoy - he's a Top-10 d-man in the league ... I'd sooner have him over Reilly. But that comparison is cherry-picking, and hardly an apples to apples comp when you consider the situation of the teams each of those 300 games were played on.
Well my intention was not to pimp McAvoy. I saw it on TV and I was kind of surprised at the comparison.
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Oh, I also heard that Philly is going to make Yandle a healthy scratch tonight, ending his steak at 989. Coaches rational was they want to give some young talent/prospects the opportunity to get some NHL time in. Normally that’s fine and expected for non playoff teams this time of year. BUT 11 GAMES FROM A 1000 GAME STREAK!?!?!?!? WTF.
Stay classy Philadelphia.
I get the "why now" thing, but you also have to look at the flip side, which is, why now?
Yandle has, from eye test to advanced metrics been one of, if not the absolute worst D-man regularly playing in the league this year. Frankly, by performance alone he should have been benched well before he ever broke the record. For a long time we sacrificed the good of the team over that record, so I have no problem with this happening now.
I thought you had that moniker reserved for Ristolainen? :D
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On another note, one thing I keep track of weekly is this hockey analyst called JFresh and every week, he posts rankings of players and teams that have scored goals above/below what they are expected as well as goalies that have made saves above/below expected. One ranking that the Kings has been dead last in for a couple of weeks is Goals Scored Above Expected which cements what a lot of people know about this team. This team can't finish often along with other variables, but holy crap, this team is still somehow in this playoff hunt. It's been a nice trip. Almost a pot trip.
https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/status/1510633397223366666
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPbZBAFWQAYrqHy.jpg)
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Looking at the overall team +/- is pretty amazing in some respects. Just goes to show it doesn't matter how much you win or lose by, just win.
Team / +/- / Points
Kings / +3 / 86
Isles / +4 / 73
Jets / -2 / 76
Canucks / -3 / 73
Or the teams with comparable points to the Kings
Preds / +25 / 82
Caps / +28 / 84
Blues / +44 / 86
Flames / +67 / 89
Oh, and a comp on the Flames ... Canes are +66 but have 98 points.
Like I said, doesn't matter how much you win by, just win.
Busy day in the NHL today - 9 games on a Sunday, and the Panthers are the first time clinching a playoff spot.
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So, Anaheim has proven their first 1/2 of the season was them punching out of their weight class.
Vegas sneaks by Vancouver to keep their dim hopes of a post season alive, while virtually snuffing out the Canucks'
Stars blew a chance to solidify there WC standing, but still have 3 games in hand over VGK. They just gotta make the most of those points, and losing in reg to the Kraken could be a big miss.
Rangers? WTF?
The Pacific race is suddenly tightening up with the Oilers on a role lately, and the Flames slumping a bit.
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Oh, I also heard that Philly is going to make Yandle a healthy scratch tonight, ending his steak at 989. Coaches rational was they want to give some young talent/prospects the opportunity to get some NHL time in. Normally that’s fine and expected for non playoff teams this time of year. BUT 11 GAMES FROM A 1000 GAME STREAK!?!?!?!? WTF.
Stay classy Philadelphia.
I get the "why now" thing, but you also have to look at the flip side, which is, why now?
Yandle has, from eye test to advanced metrics been one of, if not the absolute worst D-man regularly playing in the league this year. Frankly, by performance alone he should have been benched well before he ever broke the record. For a long time we sacrificed the good of the team over that record, so I have no problem with this happening now.
I thought you had that moniker reserved for Ristolainen? :D
Heh, good jab, but here is how it honestly breaks down. Risto could be a 2-3m a year Dman through his prime in proper 3rd line or just above usage.
Yandle flat out isn't worth a roster spot on any team right now.
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I wouldn't mind that the current streak is now being held by Phil Kessel. Sure, from what I've read, he's not at his peak, but he should still be serviceable enough to play for a team next year, and crack 1000 games played in a row.
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I wouldn't mind that the current streak is now being held by Phil Kessel. Sure, from what I've read, he's not at his peak, but he should still be serviceable enough to play for a team next year, and crack 1000 games played in a row.
Using Yandle as an example though, if you are in any way a hopeful contender, so you sign Kessel knowing that it would be a PR disaster if he gets benches while the streak is still alive?
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Hampus Lindholm is fucking good.
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Calm with the puck and makes good decisions.
B's are 17-3-1 in their last 21 games. Crazy.
10-2-0 their last 12 road games.
Pasta reinjured his core issue.
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He took a major chance on the GWG. If he whiffed, it would've been 2 on 0 going the other way.
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Yup but no one was really near him. What a great run.
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Blues finally figured out how to play against a bad team. They are smacking the Coyotes around like they're Chris Rock.
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Blues finally figured out how to play against a bad team. They are smacking the Coyotes around like they're Chris Rock.
The Blues' wives...
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:lol :lol :lol :lol
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A hattie for Matty last night ties him with Vaive's all-time single-season goal record. It could fall tonight in Sunrise.
Impressive win by the Leafs last night. In the last week, they've beat Boston, Florida, and Tampa by a combined score of 17-8. 5 straight games with 5+ goals was the first time the franchise had done that since 1987.
Man, I was really hoping that CBJ found a way to squeak by the Bs. :-\ They just keep finding a way to get 2 points. The Leafs/Bolts/Bs all have a very similar strength-of-schedule left to go.
Gonna be a fun 3 weeks. God it's good to be a hockey fan.
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That's one hell of 3 teams to beat going into the playoffs Chad.
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Wondering if the Wings will give up 5 or more to the Bruins tonight. With the way the Wings have been playing defense lately, Pasta and Marchand could both get hat-tricks tonight. :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Wondering if the Wings will give up 5 or more to the Bruins tonight. With the way the Wings have been playing defense lately, Pasta and Marchand could both get hat-tricks tonight. :facepalm: :facepalm:
Pasta is out tonight.
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Wondering if the Wings will give up 5 or more to the Bruins tonight. With the way the Wings have been playing defense lately, Pasta and Marchand could both get hat-tricks tonight. :facepalm: :facepalm:
Let's hope so. :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Wondering if the Wings will give up 5 or more to the Bruins tonight. With the way the Wings have been playing defense lately, Pasta and Marchand could both get hat-tricks tonight. :facepalm: :facepalm:
Pasta is out tonight.
With the way the Wings are playing, I still wouldn't put it past him.
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Sounds like Pasta has been trying to play through cracked ribs.
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Just got back from the Canes/Sabres game. Soft effort by the Canes, with a couple of softie's given up by Freddie. Hey Carolina ... that's "April" Freddie you saw.
And holy shit ... seriously, no lead is safe against Florida. Can't wait to watch that highlight package.
Thankfully, Detroit did the unthinkable.
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B's had 49 shots. Just couldn't get it past Detroit's goalie who was playing poorly of late. Except for this game. LOL
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B's had 49 shots. Just couldn't get it past Detroit's goalie who was playing poorly of late. Except for this game. LOL
It's amazing what can happen when you score 5 goals rather than give up 5 goals. I was ready for a 7-3 final score with the B's winning. And yes, Pasta with the hat trick from the press box! Outside of Moritz Seider, the Wings defense is atrocious. Nothing against Seider, who is proving to be a stud, but when a 20 year old rookie is already your number 1 D and it's not even close, you've got issues. I'm really looking forward to seeing if Simon Edvinsson can make a similar leap next year.
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B's had 49 shots. Just couldn't get it past Detroit's goalie who was playing poorly of late. Except for this game. LOL
It's amazing what can happen when you score 5 goals rather than give up 5 goals. I was ready for a 7-3 final score with the B's winning. And yes, Pasta with the hat trick from the press box! Outside of Moritz Seider, the Wings defense is atrocious. Nothing against Seider, who is proving to be a stud, but when a 20 year old rookie is already your number 1 D and it's not even close, you've got issues. I'm really looking forward to seeing if Simon Edvinsson can make a similar leap next year.
That kid was impressive last night. Holy shit, he was everywhere.
To me, the Bruins biggest issue, not unlike a lot of teams, is goaltending. No matter who they play in the playoffs, their margin for error is very thin.
I said early on that the Leafs will MAKE NOISE in this year's playoffs. The B's will either play the Canes, or any of the other three teams in the Atlantic.
I'm going to be honest and say that I might be sleeping on Florida. I think I need to see it first.
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The Panthers/Leafs last night was a battle of who could out-score their mistakes. Both had 3PPG + 1 SHG. Both got big points from their top-lines. Both pulled their goalies. Panthers out-lasted the Leafs. Still, taking 3 out of 4 points from Tampa/Florida on a back-to-back.... I consider that a good swing thru the Sunshine State.
If they can take a point or two from Dallas tomorrow, that's a very successful road trip.
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^^ If the Leafs can get two against Dallas and not leave Dallas with a point, I would appreciate it.
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The Panthers/Leafs last night was a battle of who could out-score their mistakes. Both had 3PPG + 1 SHG. Both got big points from their top-lines. Both pulled their goalies. Panthers out-lasted the Leafs. Still, taking 3 out of 4 points from Tampa/Florida on a back-to-back.... I consider that a good swing thru the Sunshine State.
The wild card for Florida in the playoffs will be which Bobrovsky shows up.
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The Panthers/Leafs last night was a battle of who could out-score their mistakes. Both had 3PPG + 1 SHG. Both got big points from their top-lines. Both pulled their goalies. Panthers out-lasted the Leafs. Still, taking 3 out of 4 points from Tampa/Florida on a back-to-back.... I consider that a good swing thru the Sunshine State.
The wild card for Florida in the playoffs will be which Bobrovsky shows up.
True. His last 3 games ... Shutout-pulled-pulled.
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I haven't seen much of FLA this year, so this is merely feelings: I see FLA as the Tampa from a few years ago. Likely win the president's trophy, and then get bounced in the first round. I think they've punched above their weight all season, and have players having career years *cough* Huberdeau *cough*. They'll be dangerous, but I also wouldn't be surprised to see Huberdeau, Eckblad and Giroux at the Worlds.
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I haven't seen much of FLA this year, so this is merely feelings: I see FLA as the Tampa from a few years ago. Likely win the president's trophy, and then get bounced in the first round. I think they've punched above their weight all season, and have players having career years *cough* Huberdeau *cough*. They'll be dangerous, but I also wouldn't be surprised to see Huberdeau, Eckblad and Giroux at the Worlds.
I think that was them last year. They weren't President's, but didn't they finish just behind the Canes for first in that mid-atlantic/South division?
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7/8 points is a successful road trip. Man, Matthews is just so much fun to watch. I think he's making a legit case for the Hart right now. Lots of fun stats thrown out last night about the Leafs:
- on Jan 1, Marner was 95th in the league with 21 points. He's now 6th with 89
- with 49 goals in his last 49 games, Matthews can be the first player since like the mid-90s to score 50 goals in 50 games if he scores against the Habs tomorrow.
- Matthews passes Jimmy Carson and Kevin Stevens to hold the single-season goal-scoring mark with his 56th last night.
And Roman Josi is making a helluva case for the Norris. I have no recollection of Paul Kariya as a Predator, but Josi passed him as the franchise's single-season scoring leader. With 87 points, he just might get to 100 this year.
^^ If the Leafs can get two against Dallas and not leave Dallas with a point, I would appreciate it.
They tried... but Pavelski had a sick deflection to tie it with a couple minutes left.
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Their OT record is terrible, so they could conceivably be 4-6 points better in the standings if they were even average in OT this season as they seem to suck at 3 on 3, and more good news is that goes away in the playoffs
There are only (4) teams with more 5 on 5 regulation wins than the Blues this season right now so despite the horrific OT record.....once the playoffs start and the games stay 5v5 it bodes well for them. This team is dizzying to watch. Play great for stretches then look like they don't give a :censored. Now, they're in a stretch where they look pretty dang good. I still don't expect a deep playoff run but also wouldn't be shocked if they surprised me. Who the F knows?
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^^ If the Leafs can get two against Dallas and not leave Dallas with a point, I would appreciate it.
They tried... but Pavelski had a sick deflection to tie it with a couple minutes left.
It's all right. Kings didn't have quite enough in their last two games against Flames and Oilers and lost 3-2 in both of them. How the swings have shifted. Going from having to fend off Oilers for 2nd in the division to now hoping Vegas goes on a worst run in their last 10 games so that the Kings can seal 3rd, because I don't see how the Stars doesn't make it in a Wild Card spot despite their flaws.
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The Rangers have a legitimate shot at winning the Metropolitan. This season has been the most incredible surprise. I knew they had talent and potential, but I never expected this.
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The Rangers have a legitimate shot at winning the Metropolitan. This season has been the most incredible surprise. I knew they had talent and potential, but I never expected this.
Just think.....Pavel Buchnevich has 24 G and 34 A and is a +17 right now. Plus he's a top PK player with I believe 4 or 5 SH goals. :biggrin: I only tease because it's been one heck of a player for us.
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^^ If the Leafs can get two against Dallas and not leave Dallas with a point, I would appreciate it.
They tried... but Pavelski had a sick deflection to tie it with a couple minutes left.
It's all right. Kings didn't have quite enough in their last two games against Flames and Oilers and lost 3-2 in both of them. How the swings have shifted. Going from having to fend off Oilers for 2nd in the division to now hoping Vegas goes on a worst run in their last 10 games so that the Kings can seal 3rd, because I don't see how the Stars doesn't make it in a Wild Card spot despite their flaws.
Yeah...my concern is that the Kings may be running out of gas as a team. They're not getting the volume of shots that they had been getting, and they're looking comparatively slower.
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The Rangers have a legitimate shot at winning the Metropolitan. This season has been the most incredible surprise. I knew they had talent and potential, but I never expected this.
Just think.....Pavel Buchnevich has 24 G and 34 A and is a +17 right now. Plus he's a top PK player with I believe 4 or 5 SH goals. :biggrin: I only tease because it's been one heck of a player for us.
Losing Buch hurt, but at least he went to a team I like (Blues are one of my favorites), and the Rangers being one of the top teams in the East all season certainly helps. Let’s go Rangers and in the West let’s go Blues.
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Incredible game to go to last night. The Blues rallied from a 3-1 deficit in the 3rd period and then won it in OT with a bullet from Robert Thomas. :metal :metal
Crowd was loud most of the night, the 2nd period notwithstanding when the Blues looked like they were sleepwalking, and it's always fun high-fiving with strangers when you team scores a goal. :biggrin: :biggrin: Husso was money. :coolio :coolio
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No kidding great game go to! :metal
At this point Armstrong has to find a way to re- sign Husso and deal Binnington. No question now of why Husso was two slots ahead of Binnington on the depth chart. Kid is super talented.
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I was *not* pleased to see the Bs/Bolts game go to OT. Would've liked at least one of them to get 0 points.
Here's hoping the Leafs don't down-play to their competition tonight. They better wipe the ice with the Habs. Matthews going for 50-in-50.
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No kidding great game go to! :metal
At this point Armstrong has to find a way to re- sign Husso and deal Binnington. No question now of why Husso was two slots ahead of Binnington on the depth chart. Kid is super talented.
Agreed.
Awesome moment too when on the big screen they showed Albert Pujols and Yadi Molina, both of whom were in attendance. Felt like the roof was gonna blow off when we all cheered for Albert. :metal :metal
And seeing Robert Thomas evolve into the consistent beast we knew he could be has been a thrill to watch. :hat :hat
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Man, I really wish the Wings had taken Thomas in the 2017 draft. Either him or Nick Suzuki. Both skilled, right-handed centers that would have filled a position of need. Instead, they took Michael Rasmussen, who's playing better of late, but his ceiling is looking like 3rd line checking center with net front PP capabilities. Man, I'm glad Ken Holland is out of Detroit!
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Leafs and Rangers clinch. :tup Wings eliminated for the 6th straight year. I know this pleases Kev to no end. I'm ambivalent.
Four 100-point teams in the East; 1 in the West.
Matthews is the first player to get 50-in-50 (at anytime in the season) since Lemieux in 94/95. The others in the early 90s to do it were Neely, Selanne, and Hull. Pretty nice company to be in. Squeaker of a win for them though. Montreal played them hard, and had great goaltending once again. Allen was looking unstoppable until the 1st goal and his injury (Leas had 15 shots in 13.5 minutes), and I was fearing a 50-save night was in store for the Leafs again.
Panthers/Leafs/Bruins are currently cruising along, while the Bolts are in a bit of slump. I never know if it's good to be on a roll heading in to the playoffs, or slumping. I'll never forget the 1993 Bruins/Sabres matchup; Boston was on a 16-2 streak, with 8 consecutive wins heading in. Meanwhile Buffalo has lost 7 straight heading in to the playoffs. And we all remember how that ended up - maybe the most famous call in Stanley Cup Playoffs.
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Playoff bound baby!!! And and Carolina loss tonight would put the Rangers in the driver’s seat for the Metro title.
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Meanwhile, the Blues kicked the living snot out of the Islanders last night. :hat :hat
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Meanwhile, the Blues kicked the living snot out of the Islanders last night. :hat :hat
Always love seeing the Islanders get embarrassed. Very few things bring me more joy.
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Anyone ready to call the season right now and just start the playoffs right away?
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Anyone ready to call the season right now and just start the playoffs right away?
I would love nothing more to have that. But, there are still like 10 games to go and a few teams in the West trying to squeeze into the last few playoff spots.
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Yay! Bruins lost in regulation.
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I know! Lol
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I just noticed that the Knights probably have a better shot at catching the Kings for 3rd in the Pacific, vs the final wildcard spot. LVK actually has a game in hand over the Kings.
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I just noticed that the Knights probably have a better shot at catching the Kings for 3rd in the Pacific, vs the final wildcard spot. LVK actually has a game in hand over the Kings.
Yesterday was not a good sports day.
Dodgers sucked against the Rockies, so I turned that game off early to find that the Kings were up 3-0 halfway through the first period. Yay! They then proceeded to surrender 2 goals in less than a minute before the end of the period, 3 goals in the second, and an "add insult to injury" goal about 3 minutes into the third period. Just awful. I hope they stuck the team on a crappy school bus to go from MIN to CHI for tomorrow's game.
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I just noticed that the Knights probably have a better shot at catching the Kings for 3rd in the Pacific, vs the final wildcard spot. LVK actually has a game in hand over the Kings.
I think it's their only path to the playoffs. It's the Oil, Kings, and Vegas fighting for 2 spots in the Pacific. Dallas and Nashville are likely winning the wildcard spots. Kings and Vegas have slightly easier schedules down the stretch, so the Oil are going to need to play some good hockey to close out the regular season if they hope to hang on to 2nd or 3rd. Opponent winning % for LA and VGK is around .500 or slightly above. For the Oil it's above .600
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I just noticed that the Knights probably have a better shot at catching the Kings for 3rd in the Pacific, vs the final wildcard spot. LVK actually has a game in hand over the Kings.
I think it's their only path to the playoffs. It's the Oil, Kings, and Vegas fighting for 2 spots in the Pacific. Dallas and Nashville are likely winning the wildcard spots. Kings and Vegas have slightly easier schedules down the stretch, so the Oil are going to need to play some good hockey to close out the regular season if they hope to hang on to 2nd or 3rd. Opponent winning % for LA and VGK is around .500 or slightly above. For the Oil it's above .600
According to this site (http://powerrankingsguru.com/nhl/strength-of-schedule.php), the Oil have the 9th most difficult strength-of-schedule left; Knights are 15th, Kings are 27th!. Preds are 3rd though. And (yay me!), Bruins are 4th!
Oh, ffs.... Owen Power is going to debut tomorrow night against the Leafs. Make sense, since he's from the area. Should be a special night for the kid.
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I'm not sure why everyone thinks the wild card spots are virtual locks for Nashville and Dallas. Vegas is only 2 points behind Dallas and 3 behind Nashville (just as they're 2 points behind the Kings). Seems to me it's the Kings and Vegas playing for 3rd in the Pacific and all four of them playing for the two wild card spots. I can't see the Oilers dropping out of second place.
According to this site (http://powerrankingsguru.com/nhl/strength-of-schedule.php), the Oil have the 9th most difficult strength-of-schedule left; Knights are 15th, Kings are 27th!. Preds are 3rd though. And (yay me!), Bruins are 4th!
The problem with that is that the Kings are still well under .500 against the Western Conference (16-20-7), the Central Division (7-10-4) and the Pacific Division (9-10-3). The Kings have one game against Columbus, two against Chicago, one against Colorado, two against Anaheim, and one each against Seattle and Vancouver. I'd set the over/under at 9.5 points in the last 8 games.
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I'm not sure why everyone thinks the wild card spots are virtual locks for Nashville and Dallas. Vegas is only 2 points behind Dallas and 3 behind Nashville (just as they're 2 points behind the Kings). Seems to me it's the Kings and Vegas playing for 3rd in the Pacific and all four of them playing for the two wild card spots. I can't see the Oilers dropping out of second place.
Looking at the standings again, I can understand your take. The games in hand, and Dallas' recent play, suggest they'll make it. Nashville on the other hand is looking a bit shaky lately. For some reason I thought both those teams had 3 games on Vegas and LA. It'll definitely be an exciting race to the finish for fans of these teams.
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I agree with everything you said up there, Paul. I think Alberta is a lock for 1-2 in the Pac. And of the four bottom teams, they'll be fighting for those last 3 playoff spots. Though, I personally think that the Central will send 5 to the show. I think the only race is Kings/Knights. Given the teams the Kings' remaining games are against, it looks like it's their spot to lose.
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I agree with everything you said up there, Paul. I think Alberta is a lock for 1-2 in the Pac. And of the four bottom teams, they'll be fighting for those last 3 playoff spots. Though, I personally think that the Central will send 5 to the show. I think the only race is Kings/Knights. Given the teams the Kings' remaining games are against, it looks like it's their spot to lose.
That's what I'm worried about! :lol
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Going to be sweating this race to the end. Well, the expectations for this Kings team for me at the start was to having these games in April mean something and be in the playoff race. Well, they made it to that point, let's see if they make it over the line. I hope they do. Could also help if Drew Doughty gets back in the line-up. His lack of presence, when he's not playing games, does reflect the vibe of the team at times.
Edit: Just when I talked about Doughty, he's done for the season. They're screwed. Probably would have gotten their heads kicked in by the Oilers anyway without him if they made it. Oh well, been a fun ride.
https://twitter.com/LAKings/status/1513663578028523532
Edit x 2: F, it. If this team doesn't make it but the Golden Knights do, I'm all in on the Battle of Alberta in the 2nd round. This is what the people want right?
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Going to be sweating this race to the end. Well, the expectations for this Kings team for me at the start was to having these games in April mean something and be in the playoff race. Well, they made it to that point, let's see if they make it over the line. I hope they do. Could also help if Drew Doughty gets back in the line-up. His lack of presence, when he's not playing games, does reflect the vibe of the team at times.
Edit: Just when I talked about Doughty, he's done for the season. They're screwed. Probably would have gotten their heads kicked in by the Oilers anyway without him if they made it. Oh well, been a fun ride.
https://twitter.com/LAKings/status/1513663578028523532
Edit x 2: F, it. If this team doesn't make it but the Golden Knights do, I'm all in on the Battle of Alberta in the 2nd round. This is what the people want right?
It's what Canadian fans want!
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I'm bummed that we already saw the last game with the core of Brown, Kopitar, Doughty and Quick and we didn't know it at the time.
On the other hand, this season reminds me a little bit of 2010-11. Kopitar went down in a late season game and missed the playoffs (in large part because of his absence). After getting bounced in the first round of the playoffs, they increased their depth up the middle by, among other things, bringing in Mike Richards. At the annual Frozen Fury game in Vegas in September 2011, I ran into Luc Robitaille in the gym at the MGM Grand. I mentioned that it was nice to see the Kings back in the playoffs the prior two seasons and said something to the effect that the first round loss, while disappointing, wasn't so bad because it was a result of a major injury. He was having none of it and said that they (the front office) needed to do a better job by making sure that the team was built so that a single injury didn't cripple the team. He then expressed optimism about the upcoming season. His attitude got me super pumped for the 2011-12 season and...well...we all know how that worked out.
(https://a.scpr.org/i/a6819042489f172eca0a545b2d9dcd43/39911-eight.jpg)
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The Blues are losing in Boston. I am not used to this...:P :P
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Krug. Ouch. Lol
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It's crazy to think that the Kracken could have gotten Tarasenko for nothing. Amazing comeback by him this season.
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And again. Glad they didn't trade him now? Lol
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Gorgeous passing on that last goal.
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It's crazy to think that the Kracken could have gotten Tarasenko for nothing. Amazing comeback by him this season.
There are probably a few teams that passed on him that are kicking themselves given Armstrong was shopping him pretty heavily. It’ll be interesting to see if he still wants out after this season
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Looking at the other scoreboards. Whistles.....
(https://i.imgur.com/I9lbptT.png)
Crazy that Ovechkin only got one goal out of that one. He stands at 775 now.
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Goddamn you Leafs. Stat that flashed up during the game ... among the top four Atl teams, the Leafs have the worst points-% against non-playoff teams, but the BEST points-% against playoff teams. I guess that bodes well come playoff time, but goddamn... going 1-3 against the Sabres, outscored 15-5 in those losses. :facepalm:
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Well...you can scratch off Ryan Hartman from the list of Lady Byng candidates.
(https://i.imgur.com/YgEZfbO.jpeg)
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Oh, and another note on how much I'm hating that this team can't do shit against the Sabres this year, their only win was from the GWG with like 12 seconds to go. Also, Matthews held pointless ... the last time he was held pointless - a 5-1 loss at the beginning of March to the same fucking Buffalo Sabres!
At least Tampa and Boston both also lost in regulation.
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Welp I guess second place is fine…
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@ Chad...How did Owen Power look in the game last night?
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@ Chad...How did Owen Power look in the game last night?
Not bad. Not out of place. He stopped a 2-on-1 pass from Gio to Matthews early in the 1st. Although, everyone in the arena knew there was a 1000% chance that Gio was gonna pass it, so it wasn't terribly difficult to read. Not sure how much ice time he had, I didn't notice him out there too much.
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Well...you can scratch off Ryan Hartman from the list of Lady Byng candidates.
(https://i.imgur.com/YgEZfbO.jpeg)
Fined only $4,250.00 for that. Is that the price to pay for giving the finger to Evander Kane? I feel like some players would want to pay that price to do that in most times.
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Well...you can scratch off Ryan Hartman from the list of Lady Byng candidates.
(https://i.imgur.com/YgEZfbO.jpeg)
Fined only $4,250.00 for that. Is that the price to pay for giving the finger to Evander Kane? I feel like some players would want to pay that price to do that in most times.
Considering what he did in the game against the Kings, I imagine you could collect that amount in a couple days at letsgokings.com.
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What in the hell has happened to the Flyers over the last few years?
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What in the hell has happened to the Flyers over the last few years?
They lost Dave Hakstol.
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What in the hell has happened to the Flyers over the last few years?
They lost Dave Hakstol.
Seattle's gain, apparently. :lol
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What in the hell has happened to the Flyers over the last few years?
They lost Dave Hakstol.
Seattle's gain, apparently. :lol
Not necessarily. The Flyers are 7 points over us! Only Montreal is currently worse than us. And with only one point separating us, that’s in jeopardy.
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What in the hell has happened to the Flyers over the last few years?
They lost Dave Hakstol.
Seattle's gain, apparently. :lol
Not necessarily. The Flyers are 7 points over us! Only Montreal is currently worse than us. And with only one point separating us, that’s in jeopardy.
You missed Chad’s joke.
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What in the hell has happened to the Flyers over the last few years?
They lost Dave Hakstol.
:lol
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What in the hell has happened to the Flyers over the last few years?
They lost Dave Hakstol.
Seattle's gain, apparently. :lol
Not necessarily. The Flyers are 7 points over us! Only Montreal is currently worse than us. And with only one point separating us, that’s in jeopardy.
You missed Chad’s joke.
Just like Hakstol is missing the playoffs.
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Tarasenko looking like his old self again tonight, with two goals, including a highlight reel one reminiscent of the one he had against the Rangers years ago.
https://twitter.com/NHL/status/1514765584587624457
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Tarasenko looking like his old self again tonight, with two goals, including a highlight reel one reminiscent of the one he had against the Rangers years ago.
https://twitter.com/NHL/status/1514765584587624457
He got the empty netter also. But he’s not the story…..Robert Thomas, another 5 assists. Kid is becoming next level. 51 assists now…..20 goals. He’s 22
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Yep, it's a thrill seeing the potential with Thomas get realized. A few weeks ago, the Blues looked like a one and done playoff team, but they are getting hot at the right time. You never know.
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Nice to see the comeback game by the Leafs, bitch-slapping the Caps. Also nice to see the Bruins losing 3 in a row. Also nice to see Tampa needing OT against the Ducks. They are looking like a very tired team. I think the Atlantic standings are set ... though the Leafs could certainly find a way to lose home ice advantage.
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Nice to see the comeback game by the Leafs, bitch-slapping the Caps. Also nice to see the Bruins losing 3 in a row. Also nice to see Tampa needing OT against the Ducks. They are looking like a very tired team. I think the Atlantic standings are set ... though the Leafs could certainly find a way to lose home ice advantage.
Puleeze...
The Bruns are playing like ass right now, but they're pretty beat up right now.
No top goal scorer
Missing 2 of your top 3 d-men
Swaymen, who took over for Ullmark after HE got injured was nails in the 3rd period. Could've been 6-2.
Calling it now...the Bruins miss the playoffs next year. Guaranteed if Bergeron retires after the season.
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Ouch. I did t realize all that. If it were any other team/city, I might feel a little bad for them. But alas, it’s Boston.
Suck it up, buttercup. :lol
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I wasn't reacting to you busting Boston's chops, it's your Leafs takes that are vomit inducing. ;D
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Tim is a drama queen Chad.
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Tim is a drama queen Chad.
You're being a bitch tonight. :lol
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Lolol. I just don't think the demise is one player I admire with all my heart. Though, I do not trust Sweeney at all.
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I just don't think the demise is one player I admire with all my heart.
I don't know what this means.
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I’m sorry, did your healthy team go 1-3 against fucking Buffalo? Blow a 5-1 lead ... TWICE. Have a sub .900 save percentage for almost 3 full months?
Nothing is assured with the Leafs.
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Except losing in the first round.
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I’m sorry, did your healthy team go 1-3 against fucking Buffalo? Blow a 5-1 lead ... TWICE. Have a sub .900 save percentage for almost 3 full months?
Nothing is assured with the Leafs.
I think they may have played down to the competition. Didn't the leafs just go 3-0 against Bos/Fla/Tampa? Maybe it's a bad matchup, but guess what...they won't face Buffalo in the playoffs.
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Except losing in the first round.
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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Except losing in the first round.
(https://media.tenor.com/images/07a8ddd7bf7de5ab9ea7a66ea66ceb2d/tenor.gif)
I’m sorry, did your healthy team go 1-3 against fucking Buffalo? Blow a 5-1 lead ... TWICE. Have a sub .900 save percentage for almost 3 full months?
Nothing is assured with the Leafs.
I think they may have played down to the competition. Didn't the leafs just go 3-0 against Bos/Fla/Tampa? Maybe it's a bad matchup, but guess what...they won't face Buffalo in the playoffs.
Close, 2-0-1... Florida was the game they blew a 5-1, 2nd period lead. As for 'playing down to the competition' ... yeah, that's part of it, and they've done it far too often this year. In the last 11 games they've played agains playoff-qualifying teams, they're 9-1-1. These are the things we Leafs fans try to keep reminding ourselves; not the history of what Kev felt the need to remind everyone of.
This team is a Jeckyll/Hyde sometimes.
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RIP Mike Bossy. One of my earliest favorite hockey players. Man that guy could put the biscuit in the basket. Still the all-time goals/game leader
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Love how the Wings shut out the Canes last night while getting outshot over 2 to 1. Ned was amazing in goal, and Seider had another great all around game. I'm really hoping the Wings win the draft lottery and get Shane Wright, although, failing that, Connor Geekie or Brad Lambert would be nice consolation prizes.
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RIP Mike Bossy. One of my earliest favorite hockey players. Man that guy could put the biscuit in the basket. Still the all-time goals/game leader
Oh no!!!!
Literally my all time favorite player.
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Mike Bossy was a scoring machine. I didn't get many memories of him since the Islanders dynasty was coming to a close right when I really started watching hockey and I was really young, but a quick look at the history books tells the tale. R.I.P.
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So when I say I've been a lifelong hockey fan, it's really true. My parents said that my first big word was hockey. My grandfather was a huge Bruins fan and it rolled down from there.
Mike Bossy was my favorite player of all time.
Because we didn't have cable, I remember sleeping at my grandmother's house (who lived in the city and had cable) so I could watch the Stanley Cup Finals in both 1983 and 1984. My father would pick me up on the way to school. I thought a lot about these times today.
I have his autobiography in my attic. It's a great read.
Just watched the NHL network mini package on Bossy, and I was crying like a baby. The world opens up for 12 year old kids, and my eyes were on two things...hockey and music.
Mike Bossy was my hockey idol.
(https://i.imgur.com/JKFhLSs.jpg)
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So when I say I've been a lifelong hockey fan, it's really true. My parents said that my first big word was hockey. My grandfather was a huge Bruins fan and it rolled down from there.
Mike Bossy was my favorite player of all time.
Because we didn't have cable, I remember sleeping at my grandmother's house (who lived in the city and had cable) so I could watch the Stanley Cup Finals in both 1983 and 1984. My father would pick me up on the way to school. I thought a lot about these times today.
I have his autobiography in my attic. It's a great read.
Just watched the NHL network mini package on Bossy, and I was crying like a baby. The world opens up for 12 year old kids, and my eyes were on two things...hockey and music.
Mike Bossy was my hockey idol.
(https://i.imgur.com/JKFhLSs.jpg)
Wow.. I knew the Isles were your second team, but didn't realize how deep that connection was. Those are some great memories TAC.
I attended some of those cup-winning playoff games way back when. Too many Isles memories to recount, but one in particular: Garry Howatt forgot his skates for a photo shoot at our local rink and he spotted me on the sidelines with mine slung over my shoulder. He came over to see if he could borrow them, which was an automatic. When the shoot was over, I ask him how they fit... He said "a little tight" lol. He came back with 2 hockey sticks, a righty Gord Lane and a lefty Anders Kallur and since I shoot left, I snagged the Kallur. And I still have those CCM Tacks. Oh yeah and Lorne Henning was also in on the shoot and when I passed by the dressing room, I had the misfortune of catching him in all his naked glory.
But my favorite player from that era was Bobby Bourne.
More recently, my beer league team managed to recruit Garth Snow to play on D for a few seasons. We also convinced Miro Satan to play in one of our games, but he was clearly embarrassed at being there and never came back.
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Did you catch this as well, Tim?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8VutLh0N0Q
Man.... I didn't know he was drafted 15th overall?!?!? Too bad he couldn't have stayed healthy... 1000 goals is not far fetched. Too many great players with shortened careers - Lemieux and Orr obviously as well.
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Wow.. I knew the Isles were your second team, but didn't realize how deep that connection was. Those are some great memories TAC.
I attended some of those cup-winning playoff games way back when. Too many Isles memories to recount, but one in particular: Garry Howatt forgot his skates for a photo shoot at our local rink and he spotted me on the sidelines with mine slung over my shoulder. He came over to see if he could borrow them, which was an automatic. When the shoot was over, I ask him how they fit... He said "a little tight" lol. He came back with 2 hockey sticks, a righty Gord Lane and a lefty Anders Kallur and since I shoot left, I snagged the Kallur. And I still have those CCM Tacks. Oh yeah and Lorne Henning was also in on the shoot and when I passed by the dressing room, I had the misfortune of catching him in all his naked glory.
But my favorite player from that era was Bobby Bourne.
More recently, my beer league team managed to recruit Garth Snow to play on D for a few seasons. We also convinced Miro Satan to play in one of our games, but he was clearly embarrassed at being there and never came back.
Oh hell yes!
Off the top of my head, with no peaking..
Bossy
Trottier
Gillies
Goring
Nystrom
Tonelli
Howatt
Bourne
D. Sutter
B. Sutter
Merrick
Potvin
Langevin
Persson
Morrow
Smith
Resch
Oddly, you referenced 3 guys in that awesome story that I couldn't come up with.
I spent last night staring at the pics from our visit down there for the Goring ceremony. What an amazing time!
Did you catch this as well, Tim?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8VutLh0N0Q
Man.... I didn't know he was drafted 15th overall?!?!? Too bad he couldn't have stayed healthy... 1000 goals is not far fetched. Too many great players with shortened careers - Lemieux and Orr obviously as well.
Thanks for the link Chad. I couldn't wait to get home and watch it. That stat about his final year was amazing...still .60 goals per game.
His goals per game was .75. He scored in three out of every four games. For his career. Think about that.
We played hockey when I was a kid up in Pierrefonds Quebec, and there was a junior team there...the Pierrefonds Pirates, and Tim Bossy, Mike's brother played for them. Don't think I didn't refer to myself as Tim "Bossy" when I was playing on the ice or in my driveway.
@Gord, I think you will attest, that it wasn't the goals he and his line did score, but it was the ones they didn't. I mean, they were so close to scoring on every shift.
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Man.... I didn't know he was drafted 15th overall?!?!?
I just wiki'd the 77 Draft. Not only was he the #15 pick, but he was the SIXTH right winger drafted! WTF?? :lol
The Islanders also drafted John Tonelli in the second round.
Chad, the Leafs had picks 11 & 12 in that draft. :facepalm:
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The Kings traded #13 away in that draft year as well. Back during the early years where the Kings had no big desire to acquire players through entry drafts and opted to keep trading 1st round picks away.
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Hate to see them blow a 3-goal lead, but the Blues still pulled out another OT win over the Wild, their likely 1st round opponent. Home ice doesn't mean much in the hockey playoffs, but you'd still rather have it, and the Blues are now ahead of the Wild for 2nd. Their offense is unstoppable lately.
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The Kings traded #13 away in that draft year as well. Back during the early years where the Kings had no big desire to acquire players through entry drafts and opted to keep trading 1st round picks away.
Somewhere in the 2010-11 range, I went to a breakfast with the GM with Dean Lombardi. He went through the Kings' sad history of trading away picks for aging veterans and illustrated how it hampered the team for years and years.
All of the Pacific Division teams in the hunt, except Calgary and Vancouver are now even in terms of games played. Super tight race. Kings REALLY need to pick up the 2 points against Columbus tonight. I'll be flipping back and forth between the Kings and Dodgers.
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Guys, you are starting a team and have the first pick.
Who do you take?
1. McDavid
2. Matthews
3. Someone else
Me? I'm taking Matthews
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I'm taking Robert Thomas.
:hat :hat
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Guys, you are starting a team and have the first pick.
Who do you take?
1. McDavid
2. Matthews
3. Someone else
Me? I'm taking Matthews
Based on what? He's having the best season of his career, no doubt, but he's already got a history of injuries and hasn't done anything until now to remotely suggest he's on the same level as McDavid.
I'll take the perennial 110+pt player every time. If goals are your only concern, sure, take Matthews. I'll just have to settle for McD's 45 goals and 80 assists. I think you'd be better asking if you'd rather Matthews , Draisaitl or another player. At least Matthews is in Leon's class
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Based on what? He's having the best season of his career, no doubt, but he's already got a history of injuries and hasn't done anything until now to remotely suggest he's on the same level as McDavid.
I'll take the perennial 110+pt player every time. If goals are your only concern, sure, take Matthews. I'll just have to settle for McD's 45 goals and 80 assists. I think you'd be better asking if you'd rather Matthews , Draisaitl or another player. At least Matthews is in Leon's class
Dude, I don't want to argue about it. Just throwing it out there..
So you're taking McDavid.. Gotcha. :tup
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Watching the Kraken game tonight and I really like what I’m seeing from this new kid out of Michigan. Matty Beniers. First NHL goal tonight and we seem to be riding on the enthusiasm for the new blood. We’ll see if it lasts.
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^^ 2nd overall pick in last year's draft, you better hope this guy turns out well. He could help the Kraken out for years to come.
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@Gord, I think you will attest, that it wasn't the goals he and his line did score, but it was the ones they didn't. I mean, they were so close to scoring on every shift.
Absolutely. What's almost as crazy is that Trottier was a second round draft pick, 22nd overall. He didn't look like much when you watched him play, but he was just sneaky good. When he first entered the league, I remember my Dad commenting that Trottier "thinks too much." And in a way, it was true... there was no one on that team that could match Trottier's shifty, cerebral brand of hockey. But when Bossy entered the league a couple years later, the pairing was literally like hand-in-glove. In my fifty years of watching hockey, I'd never seen two players that were more made for each other. The closest thing to it in today's game would probably be Backstrom-Ovechkin.
Come to think of it, when I watch Matt Barzal, there's no one the current Isles team that can keep up with what he's doing and take advantage of his out-sized skillset.
Also, I take Matthews. I just prefer his style of play, but it's really a toss-up.
For the era that came before, I take Crosby over Ovechkin.
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@Gord, I think you will attest, that it wasn't the goals he and his line did score, but it was the ones they didn't. I mean, they were so close to scoring on every shift.
Absolutely. What's almost as crazy is that Trottier was a second round draft pick, 22nd overall. He didn't look like much when you watched him play, but he was just sneaky good. When he first entered the league, I remember my Dad commenting that Trottier "thinks too much." And in a way, it was true... there was no one on that team that could match Trottier's shifty, cerebral brand of hockey. But when Bossy entered the league a couple years later, the pairing was literally like hand-in-glove. In my fifty years of watching hockey, I'd never seen two players that were more made for each other. The closest thing to it in today's game would probably be Backstrom-Ovechkin.
Come to think of it, when I watch Matt Barzal, there's no one the current Isles team that can keep up with what he's doing and take advantage of his out-sized skillset.
Also, I take Matthews. I just prefer his style of play, but it's really a toss-up.
For the era that came before, I take Crosby over Ovechkin.
For longevity, you're spot on. For the future, I'll take Marner/Matthews (assuming Matthews re-signs with Toronto in a couple of years).
As for who I take... I dunno, that's a tough call. Obviously I'm biased because I see Matthews all the time. I get the sense he's a stronger defender than McJesus (though their +/- would suggest otherwise). Statistically, it's almost a wash - yes Rich, goals are more valuable than assists. Also, kinda rich for you to dock Matthews for injuries. Tell me again why McDavid doesn't have a Calder trophy? :lol :lol
Gun to my head, I'm probably taking McDavid. Though at this moment, I think Matthews is still growing and improving his game more than McDavid does.
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Hard fought win by the Leafs last night. As usual, great goaltending, and the battle of Ontario is always a tough game. Some sloppiness on the Leafs, but thankfully they came back and got the 2 points to stay ahead of the Bolts and Bs.
Holy crap did Calgary wake up after a sleepy 1st period.
Gotta watch the Avs/Caned highlight package to see if it was a close one, or the Avs really did beat them up to a 7-4 victory; same with Bolts/Jets
Hard to see a path for the Knights to make the playoffs via the Wildcard - looks like their only hope is catching the Kings.
Looks like a bunch of teams are on a tear heading into the playoffs - Panthers, Avs, Leafs, Oil, and Blues all with 8+ wins in their last 10. Looks 13 or 14 of the playoff teams will be 100-point teams ... everyone in the East; and maybe just the WC and 3rd place Pac team that don't get there. Crazy good hockey teams.
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The Blues have scored 41 goals in their last eight games (all wins). :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
And for as much as our defense is irksome at times, combined with Binnington's struggles, the Blues are still a top 10 team in goals allowed this season.
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Hard fought win by the Leafs last night. As usual, great goaltending, and the battle of Ontario is always a tough game. Some sloppiness on the Leafs, but thankfully they came back and got the 2 points to stay ahead of the Bolts and Bs.
Pretty sure the Leafs have 2nd place locked up. I wouldn't expect Tampa to catch up.
Bruins' injuries have hurt them for the last half dozen games. They'll have a better chance in the Metro, as long as they can hold off the Caps.
For some reason, I do not believe in the Canes.
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Hard fought win by the Leafs last night. As usual, great goaltending, and the battle of Ontario is always a tough game. Some sloppiness on the Leafs, but thankfully they came back and got the 2 points to stay ahead of the Bolts and Bs.
Pretty sure the Leafs have 2nd place locked up. I wouldn't expect Tampa to catch up.
Bruins' injuries have hurt them for the last half dozen games. They'll have a better chance in the Metro, as long as they can hold off the Caps.
For some reason, I do not believe in the Canes.
Canes probably are the best bet. I wouldn't want to go up against a young/hungry NYR team with Shersterkin. With the Panthers, they've got so much firepower, it might not matter which version of Bobs shows up to the playoffs.
Couple of interesting stats to come out of the Leafs game. Marner has 56 points since the all-star break, the most of any active player at any point in their career (McJesus had 54 in '17/'18). Also, the Leafs have six 60-point players - only 2 other teams in the last 25 years have done that. Lastly, Bunting is now only behind Matthews in rookie points (the latter had 69 in his Calder winning season). I know he's playing with Marner/Matthews, but Bunting better be at least a finalist for the Calder.
And yup.... both the Avs and Bolts looked like beasts. Also helps that Winnipeg has been playing really bad - man, they're gonna need an overhaul in the off-season.
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Canes probably are the best bet. I wouldn't want to go up against a young/hungry NYR team with Shersterkin. With the Panthers, they've got so much firepower, it might not matter which version of Bobs shows up to the playoffs.
Calling it now. Rangers/Leafs ECF.
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The Blues have scored 41 goals in their last eight games (all wins). :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
And for as much as our defense is irksome at times, combined with Binnington's struggles, the Blues are still a top 10 team in goals allowed this season.
They’ve looked great the past 10-12 games for sure. Really dialed it in. It’s tough not to get excited about them making a good run at it.
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The Blues have scored 41 goals in their last eight games (all wins). :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
And for as much as our defense is irksome at times, combined with Binnington's struggles, the Blues are still a top 10 team in goals allowed this season.
They’ve looked great the past 10-12 games for sure. Really dialed it in. It’s tough not to get excited about them making a good run at it.
Just go back a few pages... I'm sure you can bring yourself down. :lol
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The Blues have scored 41 goals in their last eight games (all wins). :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
And for as much as our defense is irksome at times, combined with Binnington's struggles, the Blues are still a top 10 team in goals allowed this season.
They’ve looked great the past 10-12 games for sure. Really dialed it in. It’s tough not to get excited about them making a good run at it.
Just go back a few pages... I'm sure you can bring yourself down. :lol
I know right.
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The Blues have scored 41 goals in their last eight games (all wins). :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
And for as much as our defense is irksome at times, combined with Binnington's struggles, the Blues are still a top 10 team in goals allowed this season.
They’ve looked great the past 10-12 games for sure. Really dialed it in. It’s tough not to get excited about them making a good run at it.
Just go back a few pages... I'm sure you can bring yourself down. :lol
I know right.
gbipolardrake. :lol :lol
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The Blues have scored 41 goals in their last eight games (all wins). :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
And for as much as our defense is irksome at times, combined with Binnington's struggles, the Blues are still a top 10 team in goals allowed this season.
They’ve looked great the past 10-12 games for sure. Really dialed it in. It’s tough not to get excited about them making a good run at it.
Just go back a few pages... I'm sure you can bring yourself down. :lol
I know right.
gbipolardrake. :lol :lol
It’s not my fault…..really. It’s this team. They do this to you :lol
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Oh and let me take this moment on e again since it’s that time a year again to scream about how lame the Hockey playoff seeding is. Should be a straight 1-8……1v8, 2v7 etc etc. Much better format and rewards the teams for actually finishing at or near the top. Not like the dumb ass system in place now.
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I’m fine with a 1-8 format. Just not this time around. If the Kings make it, they get Oilers which is better than a 1-8 format in which they get the Avs….
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Better yet, go back to how it was in the early 80s where the top 16 seeds make it and get seeded in order.
Blues would still play the Wild in the 1st round now under that scenario. :lol :lol
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Oh and let me take this moment on e again since it’s that time a year again to scream about how lame the Hockey playoff seeding is. Should be a straight 1-8……1v8, 2v7 etc etc. Much better format and rewards the teams for actually finishing at or near the top. Not like the dumb ass system in place now.
I dunno what the big diff is. 1 will always play 8, and there's usually a VERY strong likelihood of 2v7. I guess this year, if the Blues finish ahead of the Flames, that's what your beef is? That they wouldn't get the 7th seed if that were to happen? You'd rather have (potentially) the Preds? :biggrin:
I actually don't have a problem with the current methodology the NHL uses. It's a nice blend of the 80s/90s approach - the days of the Symthe/Adams/Patrick/Norris divisions, where each division was seeded 1-4, and all division winners played each other; vs the late 90s where it was straight stack ranking, and then re-seeding as well. I like that the current format produces divisional rivalries, and allows it to be the 'best' 16 teams (for the most part) that make the playoffs. This is the breaks when the 'best' teams by regular season standings fall in the same Conference, or Division - like the Atl this year.
I'd rather see the Oil/Kings and Wild/Blues in round 1, as opposed to (potentially) the other way around. Same with Toronto/Bolts and Pens/Rangers vs (again, potentially) the other way around.
I think it's only a matter of time before the NHL does as all other 3 major NA leagues have done, and expand their playoff format to allow for more teams to get to the dance. Pre 1991, there were only 5 teams that did NOT make the playoffs; now it's 16. That's gotta change. If there were play-in rounds, that'd give hope for the Isles (who kinda screwed themselves with the new arena and the 13 game roadtrip to start the year), Knights and Canucks - all who have been playing pretty well lately.
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I personally have no issues with a play-in round as well. The Western conference play-in teams would be Stars, Kings, Golden Knights, and Canucks. I mean, my bias would hate it, but then again, you would always have people think that the Kings don't deserve to be there because of x, y, z, etc reasons. Plus, that would be a little fairer to the Canucks who had a rough quarter of a season, got rid of their GM and coach, and Bruce Boudreau has coached them to be a credible team again. I'm sitting here thinking, "Thank goodness, they didn't switch coaches earlier, or otherwise, the Kings would probably not be in a playoff hunt."
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I'm mostly indifferent to the current format, although i wouldn't mind it being seeded vs. Bracket. Mostly I'm just glad they went back to 4 divisions. Never, ever, ever should a division winner make the playoffs, as the 3 seed no less, with the 9th or 10th best record in their conference. Too many times the Caps reaped the benefits of that south division.
I'd be on board with a play-in round. More exciting for fans, still rewards teams for regular season performance, and generates more revenue for the league. Seems like wins all around.
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I think it's only a matter of time before the NHL does as all other 3 major NA leagues have done, and expand their playoff format to allow for more teams to get to the dance. Pre 1991, there were only 5 teams that did NOT make the playoffs; now it's 16. That's gotta change. If there were play-in rounds, that'd give hope for the Isles (who kinda screwed themselves with the new arena and the 13 game roadtrip to start the year), Knights and Canucks - all who have been playing pretty well lately.
I disagree with the bolded.
In 2021, MLB had 10 of 30 teams making the playoffs. In 2022, that will change to 12 of 30 teams. Totally good with this.
The NFL has 14 of 32 teams making the playoffs. This is about right.
The NBA and NHL have more than half of their teams (16 out of 30) making the playoffs (the "play-in tournament" games in the NBA are not playoff games). In the NBA this season, one of the 16 is below .500. There are at least two sub .500 teams currently in the hunt for the Cup playoffs.
I really hope they don't expand the playoffs (or add a "play-in tournament") -- especially if it results in teams potentially having to play more than 28 games. Too much.
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I agree.
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I think it's only a matter of time before the NHL does as all other 3 major NA leagues have done, and expand their playoff format to allow for more teams to get to the dance. Pre 1991, there were only 5 teams that did NOT make the playoffs; now it's 16. That's gotta change. If there were play-in rounds, that'd give hope for the Isles (who kinda screwed themselves with the new arena and the 13 game roadtrip to start the year), Knights and Canucks - all who have been playing pretty well lately.
I disagree with the bolded.
In 2021, MLB had 10 of 30 teams making the playoffs. In 2022, that will change to 12 of 30 teams. Totally good with this.
The NFL has 14 of 32 teams making the playoffs. This is about right.
The NBA and NHL have more than half of their teams (16 out of 30) making the playoffs (the "play-in tournament" games in the NBA are not playoff games). In the NBA this season, one of the 16 is below .500. There are at least two sub .500 teams currently in the hunt for the Cup playoffs.
I really hope they don't expand the playoffs (or add a "play-in tournament") -- especially if it results in teams potentially having to play more than 28 games. Too much.
So, seeing (given the current standings), the Knights and Canucks go against the Kings and Ducks/Preds in a one-game, get the last 2 playoff spots doesn't intrigue you? Same with Isles and Blue Jackets? Other than CBJ, those other three teams have had terrible misfortune befall them through injuries and/or building a new arena that wasn't ready on time. Four more sell-out arenas is good for revenue, and it gives the Top 12 teams a couple of extra days of rest before the playoffs. Honestly, I think it's shit that less than 1/2 the teams in the other leagues make the playoffs. Playoff sport is the best - I don't understand why someone wouldn't want more playoff caliber games? How intense are the 'win-and-your-in' games that happen towards the end of a season - in any given sport? Why wouldn't you want more of that?
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Meanwhile, the Blues put on a show today, scoring seven goals in the 2nd period, en route to an 8-3 beatdown of the Predators. :coolio :coolio
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So, seeing (given the current standings), the Knights and Canucks go against the Kings and Ducks/Preds in a one-game, get the last 2 playoff spots doesn't intrigue you? Same with Isles and Blue Jackets?
Nope.
My first sport was baseball. When I started watching, you got 4 out of 24 teams making the playoffs (16.67%). Now we've got 12 out of 30 (40%).
When I started watching football, the NFL had 8 out of 28 teams making the playoffs (28.57%), and the next season, that got bumped up to 10 out of 28 (35.71%). Now we're at 14 out of 32 (43.75%)
As you mentioned, at one point, the NHL had 16 out of 21 teams making the playoffs (76.19%). That's when I started watching hockey, and that was ridiculous. The current 16 out of 32 teams (50%) is more palatable, but having more than half your teams make the playoffs would be crazy.
As far as "more is better," we've got an NHL season that usually lasts 6 months, with a postseason that's about another 9-10 weeks. Baseball is already intruding into November. We're in serious danger of having a World Series game being postponed because of snow. If you want to lengthen the playoffs, then the 162-game schedule needs to be contracted. In the other sports, adding playoff games/rounds would devalue what we already have.
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I agree that some of the seasons are way too long. But that’ll never change - REVENUE! (owners); SALARY! (players). You wouldn’t see $30M+ salaries with a 100 game MLB, or 65 game NBA season.
We’ll agree to disagree about playoff participation.
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I think the number of teams that make it is perfect....it's already a beast of a post season and the most difficult sports championship to win. Nothing wrong with the amount of teams in it. I personally just like the straight up 1 thru 8 seedings, most points at the top.....lowest at the bottom and then the 1v8, 2v7 etc etc format. I 'get' why the current system is the way it is an ultimately to win the cup you have to beat all the other teams so it's not that big a deal.....I just have an issue with teams with less points essentially getting a higher seeding which happens quite a bit in the current format.
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Well, ya can't really compare the last 2 playoff years, but everything seems to be pointing to a reasonable expectation that the #2 seeded team in each conference will be the actual 2nd highest point-getter (or at least very close to it).
2019 - Boston had 3 more points than #2 seeded Washington; SJ had 1 more point than #2 seeded Nashville
2018 and 2017 had some pretty big differences
2016 ... reasonably close
2015, 2014 - seeded exactly as it would've been based on points
2013 - old alignment
So, 2 years out of 9 years it's been noticeable difference with the 2nd highest point getter not being the 2nd seed. I think I prefer the way it is now, with a 4 division league, vs 6 divisions. It improves the regular season rivalries, and travel schedules.
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There are a few *I will die on this hill because you can't convince me this isn't right* items in hockey and the playoff seeding is one of them.
We see teams within our division enough during the regular season, no need to promote those matchups in the first round as well. So without further adieu, my top 4 fixes to the league, in no particular order.
1. Top 8 teams in the conference are seeded as such, division is meaningless here.
2. All games are worth the same amount of points. I don't care if it's 2 for a win and 0 for a loss, period, or if you do 3 for a win in regulation, 2 for a win in OT, 1 for a loss in OT, and 0 for a regulation loss. But any system that has some games worth different amounts than others is 100% complete ass.
3. Injuries should never factor in to suspensions or penalty calls. Punish wrongful actions, not wrongful results. Clean plays can result in awful injuries and dirty plays can result in everyone being fine. But you look to punish the dirty plays and remove them because they have the higher chance of causing bad results. Punishing due to an injury is just punishing bad luck, it's ridiculous.
4. Officiating should be consistent in all games and within games. A penalty in the first period of a pre-season game should be a penalty in overtime in the playoffs, period.
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1. :dammitnick:
2. I pretty much concur
3. I concur wholeheartedly
4. Meh... I think the rulebook in any league can be applied situationally. Whatever the calls are going to be, just be consistent about it. If Team A slew-foots someone without a call, then don't call a slewfoot by the other team next period. Penalties are often subjective (we've all seen marginal calls that you'd be ok if it was or wasn't called a penalty), and missed calls are actually a thing. When the game is on the line, and certain games have greater magnitudes, then I can be ok with penalty calls needing also to have some magnitude.
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I get what you're saying about refs having to manage within a game. But through the course of a season my point is that there shouldn't be as much of a gap. We shouldn't accept that in preseason every stick on stick touch will be called a slash and in the playoffs you can have guys hacking away with no calls because it's playoff hockey. Call the game consistently, but look for the overall calling to be similarly consistent.
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I get what you're saying about refs having to manage within a game. But through the course of a season my point is that there shouldn't be as much of a gap. We shouldn't accept that in preseason every stick on stick touch will be called a slash and in the playoffs you can have guys hacking away with no calls because it's playoff hockey. Call the game consistently, but look for the overall calling to be similarly consistent.
I can't argue with this too much.
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I get what you're saying about refs having to manage within a game. But through the course of a season my point is that there shouldn't be as much of a gap. We shouldn't accept that in preseason every stick on stick touch will be called a slash and in the playoffs you can have guys hacking away with no calls because it's playoff hockey. Call the game consistently, but look for the overall calling to be similarly consistent.
It feels to me like they've done a LOT over the last 5-8 years to close this gap. I'm not going to do it, but I'd be interested to see what the average is for penalties called in playoff games since...2016 as compared to...2001-10. I feel like the numbers have been much higher in recent years.
I'm kind of meh on the all games are worth the same number of points thing. "[A]ny system that has some games worth different amounts than others is 100% complete ass." But why? If you do the math and tell me that either of the alternative systems you mentioned would have had a significant change on the standings over the past 10 years, then I might get more behind this.
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2. All games are worth the same amount of points. I don't care if it's 2 for a win and 0 for a loss, period, or if you do 3 for a win in regulation, 2 for a win in OT, 1 for a loss in OT, and 0 for a regulation loss. But any system that has some games worth different amounts than others is 100% complete ass.
So you're saying that every game there's 3 points up for grabs. Win it in reg and you get all 3?
Interesting. That's a lot of points in one swoop.
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2. All games are worth the same amount of points. I don't care if it's 2 for a win and 0 for a loss, period, or if you do 3 for a win in regulation, 2 for a win in OT, 1 for a loss in OT, and 0 for a regulation loss. But any system that has some games worth different amounts than others is 100% complete ass.
So you're saying that every game there's 3 points up for grabs. Win it in reg and you get all 3?
Interesting. That's a lot of points in one swoop.
Isn’t that how soccer does it?
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I don't know, is it?
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In soccer you get 3 points for a win and 1 point if the game ends in a tie. There's no overtime or shootout to determine a winner, unless it's a knock-out game in a tournament.
This was introduced some 20 to 30 years ago, initially to make the game more attractive, because the powers that be thought that teams then would put a larger focus on offense.
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My real beef with the current system is how unfair it could be due to possibly playing the a team from the other division in the first round.
Let's say Nashville ended up with the best record in the West and the Canucks were the 2nd wild card team. Nashville's reward then for being the 1 seed is having to travel to Vancouver in the first round. Meanwhile, say the Blues and Wild still got 2nd and 3rd in the division. Teams with lesser records get an easy travel schedule, while the 1 seed has to travel across two time zones. That seems a bit unfair.
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My real beef with the current system is how unfair it could be due to possibly playing the a team from the other division in the first round.
Let's say Nashville ended up with the best record in the West and the Canucks were the 2nd wild card team. Nashville's reward then for being the 1 seed is having to travel to Vancouver in the first round. Meanwhile, say the Blues and Wild still got 2nd and 3rd in the division. Teams with lesser records get an easy travel schedule, while the 1 seed has to travel across two time zones. That seems a bit unfair.
That's the only way to do it unless you strictly take top 4 from each division, which would cause the bigger issue of the 4th place team in one division potentially (probably?) having less points than a 5th place team in a strong division. This year could be exactly that scenario with the central likely sending 5 teams to the show. If vancouver makes it this year, it's likely in the 3rd place spot in the pacific. I still think the stars and preds take the WC.
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You can please all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time... but never all the people all the time.
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I can pretty much be certain for various reasons that this will never happen, but what do you guys think about this:
For starters I don't think the league has much reason to be at the top in the regular season, especially compared to say, football. There you not only get a bye week, but your games are 100% at home. In hockey it's just that in some series you might play a little more at home. So why not give the top teams the ability to dictate their travel or strengths in the first round?
Have the top three teams in each conference pick their opponents from the bottom 4 teams in the conference. Obviously top team picks first, then second, then third. Fourth seed is stuck with whoever is left.
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My real beef with the current system is how unfair it could be due to possibly playing the a team from the other division in the first round.
Let's say Nashville ended up with the best record in the West and the Canucks were the 2nd wild card team. Nashville's reward then for being the 1 seed is having to travel to Vancouver in the first round. Meanwhile, say the Blues and Wild still got 2nd and 3rd in the division. Teams with lesser records get an easy travel schedule, while the 1 seed has to travel across two time zones. That seems a bit unfair.
Hasn't that been part and parcel of being in the Western Conference for...pretty much ever? Western Conference teams routinely log 5-8,000 miles in the first three rounds, whereas some Eastern Conference teams barely have to roll out of bed for road games. The 2012 Kings logged nearly 18,500 miles in the playoffs (despite only playing 20 games), whereas the 2017 Penguins logged just over 4,300 (despite playing 25 games). Even in 2014, the Kings logged over 10,000 air miles despite logging ZERO air miles for their second round series. In that same season, Anaheim logged over 3,600 miles just for its first round series.
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That’s why I kind of like how the MLB does it. They split the games between the stadiums 2-3-2 instead of 2-2-1-1-1. While on one hand, it makes it so if the series goes past four games the lower seeded team at one point has more home games, but it also lessens the travel. The NHL should look into doing that, especially to help with the mess that is the Central division.
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I hate the 2-3-2 format. Hate it.
My real beef with the current system is how unfair it could be due to possibly playing the a team from the other division in the first round.
Let's say Nashville ended up with the best record in the West and the Canucks were the 2nd wild card team. Nashville's reward then for being the 1 seed is having to travel to Vancouver in the first round. Meanwhile, say the Blues and Wild still got 2nd and 3rd in the division. Teams with lesser records get an easy travel schedule, while the 1 seed has to travel across two time zones. That seems a bit unfair.
Hasn't that been part and parcel of being in the Western Conference for...pretty much ever? Western Conference teams routinely log 5-8,000 miles in the first three rounds, whereas some Eastern Conference teams barely have to roll out of bed for road games. The 2012 Kings logged nearly 18,500 miles in the playoffs (despite only playing 20 games), whereas the 2017 Penguins logged just over 4,300 (despite playing 25 games). Even in 2014, the Kings logged over 10,000 air miles despite logging ZERO air miles for its second round series. In that same series, Anaheim logged over 3,600 miles just for its first round series.
Yes, the West kind of gets screwed, but what are you gonna do (rhetorical question).
As far as playing another division as the as a Division winner...the advantage should be offset by playing the weakest team to make the playoffs in yourconference.
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I can pretty much be certain for various reasons that this will never happen, but what do you guys think about this:
For starters I don't think the league has much reason to be at the top in the regular season, especially compared to say, football. There you not only get a bye week, but your games are 100% at home. In hockey it's just that in some series you might play a little more at home. So why not give the top teams the ability to dictate their travel or strengths in the first round?
Have the top three teams in each conference pick their opponents from the bottom 4 teams in the conference. Obviously top team picks first, then second, then third. Fourth seed is stuck with whoever is left.
Would you have all 18 skaters from both teams throw their stick in a pile, and have the ref separate them into 2 piles to set the teams as well? Maybe the teams could also decide how long their power-plays should be?
I hate the 2-3-2 format. Hate it.
Something we agree on!
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I also hate 2-3-2, in any sport, as I do not believe the team with home ice/field advantage should have ever played more road games than home games at any point in the series.
I am also not in favor of having teams pick their opponent.
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Bruins/Blues on ESPN+ tonight.
Fuck you ESPN!
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2-3-2 sucks! Hate it as well.
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Bruins/Blues on ESPN+ tonight.
Fuck you ESPN!
I was looking all over for it like WTF and then finally looked online to see where it was supposed to be. Bastages.
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That was a tough win for the Kings against the Ducks in Anaheim. Quick really carried this game for the team today. I wanted to go to this one as well, but there were no tickets today that was under $50.00 and I was checking the sites throughout the day.
Heck, the winning goal was immediately waived off by the refs due to apparent goalie interference, but Todd McLellan wanted to challenge it and the reviewers in Toronto decided on this day that was a good goal. Phillip Danault with 25 goals this season. Don't think anyone actually saw this coming when he signed. Been a huge difference maker this season.
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That was a tough win for the Kings against the Ducks in Anaheim. Quick really carried this game for the team today. I wanted to go to this one as well, but there were no tickets today that was under $50.00 and I was checking the sites throughout the day.
Heck, the winning goal was immediately waived off by the refs due to apparent goalie interference, but Todd McLellan wanted to challenge it and the reviewers in Toronto decided on this day that was a good goal. Phillip Danault with 25 goals this season. Don't think anyone actually saw this coming when he signed. Been a huge difference maker this season.
Seriously huge win. Vegas and Vancouver both have a game in hand on the Kings, but he Kings have five points on both of those teams. Feeling really good about the #3 spot in the division (with an outside chance of moving up to #2, but Edmonton has two GIHs). Really hope they can take care of the Hawks pretty easily on Thursday and get another big win against the Ducks on Saturday. REALLY don't want that final game at Vancouver to be meaningful.
They were talking about Danault positively on the broadcast. Great work by Blake to get him in the fold. And that was serious vintage Quick! It would have been nice if they had SHOWN Getzlaf giving Quick a stick tap at the end of the game. As much as I HATE that guy, I have to give him props, and I hope the crowd at Staples gives him some props (hopefully as the clock ticks down on a 3 goal victory). On the other hand, Saturday is likely to be Dustin Brown's final (regular season) home game as a King, so he should be hearing big love.
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I hate the 2-3-2 format. Hate it.My real beef with the current system is how unfair it could be due to possibly playing the a team from the other division in the first round.
Let's say Nashville ended up with the best record in the West and the Canucks were the 2nd wild card team. Nashville's reward then for being the 1 seed is having to travel to Vancouver in the first round. Meanwhile, say the Blues and Wild still got 2nd and 3rd in the division. Teams with lesser records get an easy travel schedule, while the 1 seed has to travel across two time zones. That seems a bit unfair.
Hasn't that been part and parcel of being in the Western Conference for...pretty much ever? Western Conference teams routinely log 5-8,000 miles in the first three rounds, whereas some Eastern Conference teams barely have to roll out of bed for road games. The 2012 Kings logged nearly 18,500 miles in the playoffs (despite only playing 20 games), whereas the 2017 Penguins logged just over 4,300 (despite playing 25 games). Even in 2014, the Kings logged over 10,000 air miles despite logging ZERO air miles for its second round series. In that same series, Anaheim logged over 3,600 miles just for its first round series.
Yes, the West kind of gets screwed, but what are you gonna do (rhetorical question).
In the 2007 playoffs, the Wings played Calgary, San Jose, and then Anaheim. Each series went 6 games, so there were two round trips in each series. In 2006, the Oilers played Detroit, San Jose, Anaheim and then Carolina, which might be the highest total mileage for a Western Conference Team to travel in the playoffs.
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I hate the 2-3-2 format. Hate it.My real beef with the current system is how unfair it could be due to possibly playing the a team from the other division in the first round.
Let's say Nashville ended up with the best record in the West and the Canucks were the 2nd wild card team. Nashville's reward then for being the 1 seed is having to travel to Vancouver in the first round. Meanwhile, say the Blues and Wild still got 2nd and 3rd in the division. Teams with lesser records get an easy travel schedule, while the 1 seed has to travel across two time zones. That seems a bit unfair.
Hasn't that been part and parcel of being in the Western Conference for...pretty much ever? Western Conference teams routinely log 5-8,000 miles in the first three rounds, whereas some Eastern Conference teams barely have to roll out of bed for road games. The 2012 Kings logged nearly 18,500 miles in the playoffs (despite only playing 20 games), whereas the 2017 Penguins logged just over 4,300 (despite playing 25 games). Even in 2014, the Kings logged over 10,000 air miles despite logging ZERO air miles for its second round series. In that same series, Anaheim logged over 3,600 miles just for its first round series.
Yes, the West kind of gets screwed, but what are you gonna do (rhetorical question).
In the 2007 playoffs, the Wings played Calgary, San Jose, and then Anaheim. Each series went 6 games, so there were two round trips in each series. In 2006, the Oilers played Detroit, San Jose, Anaheim and then Carolina, which might be the highest total mileage for a Western Conference Team to travel in the playoffs.
Based on air miles from this source ( https://www.airmilescalculator.com/ ), the 2006 Oilers traveled 26,840 miles (not including the return trip from Carolina following the loss in game 7 of the SCF). However, at least two other teams beat that number.
The 2011 Canucks traveled 26,966 (had the Canucks had a longer WCF or not been the home team for every series, they'd probably be the "winners"), but it appears the most miles traveled by a Stanley Cup FINALIST is....
The 1993 Kings with 29,620 miles. Road team for all four series, a 7-game WCF against Toronto, and an SCF against Montreal. The only possible issue here is that game 7 of the WCF in Toronto was played on May 29, 1993, and game 1 of the SCF was played in Montreal only three days later, on June 1, so it's possible that the Kings didn't return to Los Angeles between the two series. If they went directly from Toronto to Montreal, then their number drops to 25,287.
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Wondering where Kev's post-the-day-after-a-Blues-game is.
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Lololol
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Wondering where Kev's post-the-day-after-a-Blues-game is.
I'll ask him when I see him next Friday.
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Wondering where Kev's post-the-day-after-a-Blues-game is.
I'll ask him when I see him next Friday.
Middle fingers coming my way, I'm sure. :lol
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It's at a church. Not sure. Lol
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The game wasn't on TV, so I didn't feel comfortable commenting on a game I did not see. :biggrin:
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You guys are going to church together? :lol
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It's the Church of Power Windows. We will pray it takes us to the Promised Land.
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*Stabs are Tim*
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What does that even mean? :lol
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Meant *Stabs "at"Tim*
I got excited. Loo
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In what is likely to be a round 1 preview, Leafs/Bolts tonight.
:caffeine:
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In what is likely to be a round 1 preview, Leafs/Bolts tonight.
:caffeine:
I predict a Leafs win.
In this game.
To give you that false sense of hope for the playoffs. :p :D
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I hate the 2-3-2 format. Hate it.My real beef with the current system is how unfair it could be due to possibly playing the a team from the other division in the first round.
Let's say Nashville ended up with the best record in the West and the Canucks were the 2nd wild card team. Nashville's reward then for being the 1 seed is having to travel to Vancouver in the first round. Meanwhile, say the Blues and Wild still got 2nd and 3rd in the division. Teams with lesser records get an easy travel schedule, while the 1 seed has to travel across two time zones. That seems a bit unfair.
Hasn't that been part and parcel of being in the Western Conference for...pretty much ever? Western Conference teams routinely log 5-8,000 miles in the first three rounds, whereas some Eastern Conference teams barely have to roll out of bed for road games. The 2012 Kings logged nearly 18,500 miles in the playoffs (despite only playing 20 games), whereas the 2017 Penguins logged just over 4,300 (despite playing 25 games). Even in 2014, the Kings logged over 10,000 air miles despite logging ZERO air miles for its second round series. In that same series, Anaheim logged over 3,600 miles just for its first round series.
Yes, the West kind of gets screwed, but what are you gonna do (rhetorical question).
In the 2007 playoffs, the Wings played Calgary, San Jose, and then Anaheim. Each series went 6 games, so there were two round trips in each series. In 2006, the Oilers played Detroit, San Jose, Anaheim and then Carolina, which might be the highest total mileage for a Western Conference Team to travel in the playoffs.
Based on air miles from this source ( https://www.airmilescalculator.com/ ), the 2006 Oilers traveled 26,840 miles (not including the return trip from Carolina following the loss in game 7 of the SCF). However, at least two other teams beat that number.
The 2011 Canucks traveled 26,966 (had the Canucks had a longer WCF or not been the home team for every series, they'd probably be the "winners"), but it appears the most miles traveled by a Stanley Cup FINALIST is....
The 1993 Kings with 29,620 miles. Road team for all four series, a 7-game WCF against Toronto, and an SCF against Montreal. The only possible issue here is that game 7 of the WCF in Toronto was played on May 29, 1993, and game 1 of the SCF was played in Montreal only three days later, on June 1, so it's possible that the Kings didn't return to Los Angeles between the two series. If they went directly from Toronto to Montreal, then their number drops to 25,287.
I figured that team would've been the winner. Traveling to Toronto for the Western Conference Finals and then Montreal for the Cup Final takes the cake for sure!
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In what is likely to be a round 1 preview, Leafs/Bolts tonight.
:caffeine:
I predict a Leafs win.
In this game.
To give you that false sense of hope for the playoffs. :p :D
One of my top 10 rules of life... never deprive anyone of hope; it might be all they have.
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I figured that team would've been the winner. Traveling to Toronto for the Western Conference Finals and then Montreal for the Cup Final takes the cake for sure!
Interesting that all of the teams mentioned lost in the SCF ('93 Kings, '04 Flames, '06 Oilers and '11 Canucks). Like I mentioned, I'm pretty sure the Kings were the Cup WINNING team with the most miles (around 18,500). I guess if you're the sort that likes to bet on games, if you've got a team that will end up in excess of 20,000 air miles, it's a good bet that that team won't win the Cup.
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Shitty game/night last night.
Shitty news this morning to lose the original "Flower". Two goal scoring icons lost one week apart.
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Blues/Wild is all but guaranteed now in the 1st round. Both teams are really good and playing well lately, and both teams have what it takes to make a deep playoff run. Should be a fun series. I don't even care if the Blues get home ice for it as the team under Berube seems to play better on the road in the playoffs, and I like the idea of getting an early advantage by grabbing a quick road win, or even two.
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Blues/Wild is all but guaranteed now in the 1st round. Both teams are really good and playing well lately, and both teams have what it takes to make a deep playoff run. Should be a fun series. I don't even care if the Blues get home ice for it as the team under Berube seems to play better on the road in the playoffs, and I like the idea of getting an early advantage by grabbing a quick road win, or even two.
Agreed. Either team can win that series.....wouldn't be surprised if it goes 7 games......both teams are pretty even as far as home/away. This isn't some profound statement but it'll come down to goaltending....will Husso continue to play lights out? Will Fleury somehow defeat father time and play at a high level? Who knows.....
Home:
Blues 26-9-5
Wild 28-7-2
Away
Blues 21-11-6
Wild 21-14-5
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Well, I certainly could have been wrong about that Leafs game. :lol
Let's turn to the Flyers and our... anchor for a moment, Ketih Yandle.
We finally managed to win a game, against the Canadiens, 6-3. Despite that Yandle managed to be -2. Within this game he skated for 7 minutes, compared to the next lowest Dman, at just below 17 minutes for a guy playing in his first few NHL games in Attard.
He now "leads" the league at -44, -7 ahead of the next player.
This is while Keith Yandle plays 14 minutes a game against 3rd pair opponents. That guy in second? He plays 26+ minutes a game against top pair opponents.
That said, I'm still surprised it's Seth Jones in that second spot. He's playing big minutes on a rough team of course, but has he also not been that good? Big trade and contract leading into the season.
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Shitty news this morning to lose the original "Flower". Two goal scoring icons lost one week apart.
Damn...I hadn't seen that before now. He was retired by the time I started watching hockey, but he was one of the names I knew coming in. RIP
I think the Kings basically cemented the 3rd spot in the Pacific last night. Five points up on Vegas and seven up on Vancouver. Both of those teams have four games remaining, while the Kings have three. Hoping the Kings get 2 points against Anaheim on Saturday, which would render the final two road games against Seattle and Vancouver largely academic.
Speaking of Saturday's game against Anaheim...Ryan Getzlaf is retiring after this season. I believe they've said he'll be playing Saturday and then will play his final game at home on Sunday against the Blues. I don't really know how he's regarded elsewhere, but he's a guy that Kings fans have HATED for more than a decade and a half. It's as it should be. I'm confident the Kings will do a little tribute for him, and I hope the crowd at Staples follows suit. Mad respect for the guy.
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Oil can clinch with a win tonight, although that'll be a tough ask against a very good Avs team. The turnaround under Jay Woodcroft has been quite spectacular. There was a point in January/February where all signs were pointing to the Oil missing the playoffs by a mile, so to be in a position to land home ice for the first round is refreshing. This would also mark the first time in as long as I can remember that the Oil would make the playoffs for 3 consecutive seasons. Now here's hoping they don't get swept in the first round for a 3rd consecutive post season.
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Oil can clinch with a win tonight, although that'll be a tough ask against a very good Avs team. The turnaround under Jay Woodcroft has been quite spectacular. There was a point in January/February where all signs were pointing to the Oil missing the playoffs by a mile, so to be in a position to land home ice for the first round is refreshing. This would also mark the first time in as long as I can remember that the Oil would make the playoffs for 3 consecutive seasons. Now here's hoping they don't get swept in the first round for a 3rd consecutive post season.
I'm just hoping to get at least a Game 6 rather than getting swept if the Kings make it.
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Maybe I'm behind on this, but it's pretty astounding that with ~5 games remaining for most teams those making the playoffs in the East are already 100% set.
Edit: By comparison, only 4 of 8 in the West are clinched.
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In the West, teams like the Canucks and Jets and Ducks had made the race a bit interesting before they started to fall off. Now it comes down to Kings, Predators, Stars, Golden Knights, and maybe the Canucks, if everything aligns well for them, for those remaining 3 spots (I can't see the Oilers missing out at this point). I'm hoping the Golden Knights is going to get boxed out. People were scared that it was the Kings that's going to blow that, but it may actually be the Stars that will do it? Stars haven't been known to finish strong near the finish line in recent times.
Golden Knights vs Stars in one of the final games will be a key one to keep an eye on.
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Edmonton cannot be passed by the Canucks. They could still be caught by Vegas, but their magic number to clinch against Vegas is 2 (any combination of points earned by Edmonton or points missed by Vegas).
Kings magic number is 4.
Vancouver basically has to win out and hope that the Kings and Vegas shit the bed. Their elimination number is 2.
To me the final WC spot is where it's at. Vegas is 2 points back of Dallas, and both teams have 4 games remaining, including a head-to-head next Tuesday in Dallas. Vegas plays San Jose on Sunday, and Dallas plays Seattle tomorrow. Dallas finishes against Arizona and Anaheim, while Vegas closes at Chicago and at St. Louis, so Dallas winning the game next Tuesday would effectively be a stake in Vegas's heart.
The Eastern Conference is just jockeying for position and getting/staying healthy.
I'm just hoping to get at least a Game 6 rather than getting swept if the Kings make it.
Damn...have some optimism! :) I see a Kings v. Oilers series going at least 6.
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Guy Lafluer. Damn. What an icon!
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2022/04/22/obituaries/22lafleur-image1/22lafleur-image1-mobileMasterAt3x.jpg)
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Fun fact about Lafleur's draft year. Montreal really wanted to pick either Lafleur or another guy that's a top two prospect of the draft. The year before, they then were able to sucker-punched the California Golden Seals to trade their first round pick for the '71 draft for a package that contains the Habs' 1st round pick in 1970. It's irrelevant on what else the Seals got back. It just happens that since the Seals was pretty darn bad at the time, that pick ended up being #1, so the Habs got what they wanted. The other guy they contemplating wanting to pick that ended up being #2 in that draft being picked by the Red Wings? Marcel Dionne.
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Nice!
Looking at that '71 draft, Buffalo had an excellent draft with:
Rick Martin (R1)
Craig Ramsay (R2)
Bill Hajt (R3)
But the Canadiens had THE draft class, because not only Guy Lafluer in R1, but Larry Robinson in R2??
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^^ Oh what do you know, the pick that was Larry Robinson belonged to the Kings, and as I stated last week, Kings sure did love trading high picks back then. Habs got both California teams good that year. At least, the Kings got a guy name Dick Duff for that trade. What a name.
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Fun fact about Lafleur's draft year. Montreal really wanted to pick either Lafleur or another guy that's a top two prospect of the draft. The year before, they then were able to sucker-punched the California Golden Seals to trade their first round pick for the '71 draft for a package that contains the Habs' 1st round pick in 1970. It's irrelevant on what else the Seals got back. It just happens that since the Seals was pretty darn bad at the time, that pick ended up being #1, so the Habs got what they wanted. The other guy they contemplating wanting to pick that ended up being #2 in that draft being picked by the Red Wings? Marcel Dionne.
The other thing that the SportsNet broadcast was talking about recently was that by 1971, they knew they REALLY wanted Lafleur, so the Canadiens GM at the time (don't remember the name), made a trade with Detroite at the deadline to give them some decent player in the effort to ensure the Wings didn't fall below the Seals. That's some filthy GM'g :lol
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Well, it's looking like the Evander Kane signing was a brilliant move by Holland. He's scoring at a 0.51 goals per game pace on a team that already has 40+ and 50+ goal scorers. And at a $4m cap hit. He's definitely been a big part of the Oil turnaround during the second half.
He's still a piece of garbage human being though.
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Well, it's looking like the Evander Kane signing was a brilliant move by Holland. He's scoring at a 0.51 goals per game pace on a team that already has 40+ and 50+ goal scorers. And at a $4m cap hit. He's definitely been a big part of the Oil turnaround during the second half.
He's still a piece of garbage human being though.
It's only a $2M cap hit though.
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Well, it's looking like the Evander Kane signing was a brilliant move by Holland. He's scoring at a 0.51 goals per game pace on a team that already has 40+ and 50+ goal scorers. And at a $4m cap hit. He's definitely been a big part of the Oil turnaround during the second half.
He's still a piece of garbage human being though.
This is my problem with it all. He’s a despicable human being that IMO doesn’t deserve the success he’s enjoying right now. Shame on Edmonton for giving him an out.
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How on earth did Adam Fox win the Norris?
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How on earth did Adam Fox win the Norris?
By having the best year among defensemen last season.
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How on earth did Adam Fox win the Norris?
By having the best year among defensemen last season.
Was it because of some advanced metrics? He was unnoticeable in the game yesterday, and while I don't watch many Rangers games, when I do, I still never notice him.
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How on earth did Adam Fox win the Norris?
By having the best year among defensemen last season.
Was it because of some advanced metrics? He was unnoticeable in the game yesterday, and while I don't watch many Rangers games, when I do, I still never notice him.
He’s having a down year, but last year he had a great season. He’s still making an impact, but not like last year.
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Apparently the ref tonight for the B's/Habs didn't get the memo, but he just called a Canadien player for embellishment. In Montreal. :lol
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This was a very exciting day of hockey, and no moment was bigger than when the Sharks tied the game with 0.9 seconds to go. Then they won in a Shootout, taking an extremely important point away from Vegas (and allowing Dallas fans to sleep a little easier tonight).
And dammit Minnesota, stop winning games!
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Yeah, the Sharks did the Kings, Predators, and Stars a favor making sure the Golden Knights didn't get an extra point today. Here's how it's mostly broken down.
Kings need at most one pt. to clinch 3rd in Pacific (either by winning one of two games, OT loss, or the Golden Knights getting an OT loss in one of their next 3 games)
Stars needs to win in regulation against the Golden Knights on Tuesday to get in.
Predators has 2 out of their next three games against the Western Division winners and got to find a way to win those and fend off Vegas or Stars.
Golden Knights needs to win their last three and hope some form of losing combination to happen to the other three teams.
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Leafs clawed out a really well fought for, and well earned win, giving up 2 early in the 3rd to go down 3-1, then get the extra attacker goal to tie it, survive a PK to end OT, and - holy god - Kallgren looked like the 2nd coming of Hasek to stop 6 QUALITY Capital shooters in the SO.
I was absolutely convinced that they were gonna lose, and then lose home-ice adv over Tampa. Now with those 2 points, the Leafs' magic number is down to one. Surely they can scrap out 1 point out of the Wings or Bs - or Tampa has to go 3-0 against CBJ twice, and the Isles (which is entirely plausible given how they bitch-slapped the Panthers last night). The latter two are B2B and on the road though, and the Bs are on a B2B travel day when they come to Toronto. Strange that Tampa would finish their season outside of the Atl Division.
I'm not Vegas fan, but that's a tough loss to swallow when every point is needed. jingle.son was telling me that, since the Eichel trade, LVK and Buf have the same record. :lol Understandable, given the injuries Vegas has had to endure.
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jingle.son was telling me that, since the Eichel trade, LVK and Buf have the same record. :lol Understandable, given the injuries Vegas has had to endure.
Now that is an interesting stat!
Regarding LaFleur, this commercial always made me laugh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikVthmetNH8
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Yeah, the Sharks did the Kings, Predators, and Stars a favor making sure the Golden Knights didn't get an extra point today. Here's how it's mostly broken down.
Kings need at most one pt. to clinch 3rd in Pacific (either by winning one of two games, OT loss, or the Golden Knights getting an OT loss in one of their next 3 games)
Stars needs to win in regulation against the Golden Knights on Tuesday to get in.
Predators has 2 out of their next three games against the Western Division winners and got to find a way to win those and fend off Vegas or Stars.
Golden Knights needs to win their last three and hope some form of losing combination to happen to the other three teams.
Yup. That win over the Ducks effectively secured third place for the Kings. The only way the Knights catch the Kings is if they earn all six available points and the Kings lose both remaining games in regulation. When the Sharks got the tying goal with only a second left, I let out an audible "yes!" Vegas at Dallas tomorrow will be huge.
Also, LOVED the way the Kings sent Ryan Getzlaf into retirement on Saturday. Classy tributes from the team, the players and the crowd at Staples. Seeing Getz with Brown, Kopi and Quick was pretty cool. Really wish Doughty could've been there too. The Ducks and their fans gave him a nice tribute last night as well. As I mentioned before, I hated the guy, but that's the idea. Much respect to him going into retirement.
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And dammit Minnesota, stop winning games!
Wild are 17-1-3 in their last 21 games.
Blues are 14-0-2 in their last 16 games. Blues have 80 goals scored in those 16 games. :eek :eek :eek
Should be an epic 1st round matchup, which means one of them will win it in 4 or 5. :lol :lol
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And dammit Minnesota, stop winning games!
Wild are 17-1-3 in their last 21 games.
Blues are 14-0-2 in their last 16 games. Blues have 80 goals scored in those 16 games. :eek :eek :eek
Should be an epic 1st round matchup, which means one of them will win it in 4 or 5. :lol :lol
It’s a shame one of them will be out after Rd. 1.
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And dammit Minnesota, stop winning games!
Wild are 17-1-3 in their last 21 games.
Blues are 14-0-2 in their last 16 games. Blues have 80 goals scored in those 16 games. :eek :eek :eek
Should be an epic 1st round matchup, which means one of them will win it in 4 or 5. :lol :lol
It’s a shame one of them will be out after Rd. 1.
If the Blues move on, it'll because of their fine play.
If the Wild moves on, it'll be because of the officiating.
:P
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It’s a shame one of them will be out after Rd. 1.
Same for Tampa/Toronto.
First time ever, all 8 playoff teams in a Conference are north of 100 points. The East is clearly a conference of the haves, and have nots. It's seriously a shame that 4 of those teams aren't getting out of round 1. 8 out of the Top 12 in the league are from the East. :omg:
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It’s a shame one of them will be out after Rd. 1.
Same for Tampa/Toronto
Dang....that's brutal as well.
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Looks like Boston will get either the Leafs or Hurricanes in the 1st round.
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Eastern Conference
A1: Florida (will play WC2)
A2: Toronto or Tampa Bay (Toronto's magic number is 1 point)
A3: Tampa Bay or Toronto or Boston (TB's magic number is 4 points)
M1: Carolina or NY Rangers (Carolina's magic number is 3 points) (will play WC1)
M2: NY Rangers or Carolina
M3: Pittsburgh or Washington (Pittsburgh's magic number is 6 points)
WC1: Boston or Tampa Bay or Pittsburgh or Washington
WC2: same
Western Conference
C1: Colorado (will play WC2)
C2: Minnesota or St. Louis (Minnesota's magic number is 5 points)
C3: St. Louis or Minnesota
P1: Calgary (will play WC1)
P2: Edmonton or Los Angeles (Edmonton's magic number is 3 points)
P3: Los Angeles or Las Vegas (Los Angeles's magic number is 1 point)
WC1: Nashville or Dallas or Los Angeles or Las Vegas
WC2: Nashville or Dallas or Los Angeles or Las Vegas or Vancouver (Vancouver can catch and pass Vegas and can catch Dallas in points and pass Dallas by tiebreaker)
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I don't see Boston catching Tampa. The latter has CBJ (2x) and the Isles. Boston has Fla/Buff/Tor - with the latter two being a travel B2B.
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And Edmonton only needs 2 points to clinch 2nd in the pacific. Their ROW gives them the tie breaker against LA. I like the match up against the Kings for the first round. I wouldn't say the Oil are a lock to win that series, or even a favorite, but it's a better match than any other team they might play in the first round.
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I don't see Boston catching Tampa. The latter has CBJ (2x) and the Isles. Boston has Fla/Buff/Tor - with the latter two being a travel B2B.
Boston will be playing out of the Metro...and I'm OK with that. Not sure why, but Carolina doesn't really scare me, this year's 16-1 goal differential notwithstanding. :lol
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I don't see Boston catching Tampa. The latter has CBJ (2x) and the Isles. Boston has Fla/Buff/Tor - with the latter two being a travel B2B.
Boston will be playing out of the Metro...and I'm OK with that. Not sure why, but Carolina doesn't really scare me, this year's 16-1 goal differential notwithstanding. :lol
I remember saying the same thing about them in 2006....
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I don't see Boston catching Tampa. The latter has CBJ (2x) and the Isles. Boston has Fla/Buff/Tor - with the latter two being a travel B2B.
Boston will be playing out of the Metro...and I'm OK with that. Not sure why, but Carolina doesn't really scare me, this year's 16-1 goal differential notwithstanding. :lol
I remember saying the same thing about them in 2006....
I don't think the Bruins are making it out of the first round either way, but I'd rather play the Canes than the Leafs.
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And Edmonton only needs 2 points to clinch 2nd in the pacific. Their ROW gives them the tie breaker against LA. I like the match up against the Kings for the first round. I wouldn't say the Oil are a lock to win that series, or even a favorite, but it's a better match than any other team they might play in the first round.
You're right. The Kings can't catch the Oilers in the RW column. I think it's academic at this point, though.
If Dallas wins tonight, then the Kings' last two games against Seattle and Vancouver become important only from the standpoint of avoiding injury. Since Edmonton has three games remaining, I can't imagine them only picking up one of the six available points. Historically, the Kings have done much better in the playoffs as a lower seed (although the sample size is really small: only two series in the last 30 years).
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So, what have I learned from watching Stars/Golden Knights today? Well, the Stars are mainly one really good line, one good defenseman, and one good goalie. The rest was pretty excruciating hockey to watch. Also, a shootout that went seven rounds before someone scored. Those goalies were tremendous.
Anywho, Kings are in. They face the Oilers. Gl SchecterShredder. I say that out loud, but I'm saying GL to me and PG more.
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Binnington surrendered any hopes he had to start in the playoffs by playing horrific in Colorado tonight. Despite allowing three softies the Blues nearly coated back it tie it in the third……hit the post with a minute to go that would have made it 4-4 but Colorado got the empty net and iced it after that.
16 game point streak (14-0-2) comes to an end…..oh well….better to get that out of the way now.
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Kinda funny too that the Wild had just lost and we saw the "Blues now control their own destiny to get home ice in the first round" message when the Avs scored three goals just like that. Again though, we don't really need home ice, but I wouldn't turn it down.
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Welp second is fine I guess. Just rest our key guys these final two games to make sure they’re fresh and healthy for the playoffs.
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So, what have I learned from watching Stars/Golden Knights today? Well, the Stars are mainly one really good line, one good defenseman, and one good goalie. The rest was pretty excruciating hockey to watch. Also, a shootout that went seven rounds before someone scored. Those goalies were tremendous.
Anywho, Kings are in. They face the Oilers. Gl SchecterShredder. I say that out loud, but I'm saying GL to me and PG more.
That shootout was so hard to watch -- especially once they got into the third round where Vegas could walk it off with a goal after Dallas kept missing. Everyone kept trying to get the goal with quick wristers and NO ONE was making moves to get the goalies to open up.
Anyway...last night obviously cleared up lots of things.
Eastern Conference
A1: Florida (will play WC2)
A2: Toronto
A3: Tampa Bay or Boston (TB's magic number is 2 points)
M1: Carolina (will play WC1)
M2: NY Rangers
M3: Pittsburgh or Washington (WAS is one point back but has a game in hand; PIT is one RW and three ROW up on WAS)
WC1: Boston or Tampa Bay
WC2: Washington or Pittsburgh
Western Conference
C1: Colorado (will play WC2)
C2: Minnesota or St. Louis (currently tied in points, but STL has a game in hand and owns the first tiebreaker)
C3: St. Louis or Minnesota
P1: Calgary (will play WC1)
P2: Edmonton
P3: Los Angeles
WC1: Nashville or Dallas (tied in points, and both have two GR, but NSH owns tiebreaker)
WC2: Dallas or Nashville or Las Vegas (VGK has to hope that it wins both remaining games and DAL loses both remaining games; NSH owns tiebreaker against both; VGK owns tiebreaker against DAL)
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Random thoughts since I’m typing from my iPad
DeBoer has to be one of the worst coaches in the NHL. Despite all their injuries, there’s no way that team should have missed the playoffs. 0-for-14 in back to back shootout losses?!?!?! Eichel’s eyeroll the other night was as he was saying “Jesus everyone, I’ve been losing for 6 years, get used to it”. One has to wonder if he actually was the problem in Buffalo. Maybe he’s just a top shelf douche?
Matthews has to be the favourite for the Hart. No disrespect to McJesus, or Gaudreau, but no one in a decade has scored 60, and Matthews did it in 73 games - faster than anyone since Mario did it in 62 games in ‘95/‘96
I hope the Leafs can get Mariner to 100 points tomorrow. That’d be pretty sweet.
Stamkos has never scored 100 before. :omg:
The Stars are gonna get slaughtered.
Carolina’s goaltending scenario could be their undoing. I’d dare say Boston fans would want them over Toronto in the first round.
Panthers situation feels oddly similarly to Tampa 3 years ago. I just don’t think they’re legit. Thus, i fully expect them to dominate in the playoffs. :lol
Looks like Montreal will go from finalists, to dead last. I want to feel bad for them, but I just can’t. :lol
I’m really hoping for a Rd 2 battle of Alberta.
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DeBoer has to be one of the worst coaches in the NHL.
Not only that he's a crybaby. He's always been a major D Bag. IMO Vegas is reaping what they sowed. Fleeced the league in the expansion draft (in their defense they were allowed to) and then attempted the Yankees approach to building a team. Dicked over a future HOF goalie for a flavor of the week net minder......Shafted a loved and respected HC in Gerard Gallant (how are those Rangers doing anyway ;D) and then to top it all off they attempted their version of salary cap manipulation with the Eichel deal. I personally LOVE seeing what they're going through because it's all self inflicted.
Matthews has to be the favourite for the Hart.
It'd be a crime if he didn't get it. Seriously. Some other folks as you mentioned are in that conversation but if Matthews doesn't come away with that then it's a travesty.
Panthers situation feels oddly similarly to Tampa 3 years ago. I just don’t think they’re legit.
I don't either. And, I'll continue the same train of thought with the AV's. Not that they're not a great regular season team but until they actually do something in the playoffs the hysteria behind the AV's being the best thing since sliced bread makes me want to vomit.
Couple thoughts from me.
Blues have the most 50pt players in the NHL at the moment.
The team is playing great defensively and are in the top of most all categories when it comes to PK, PP....goal differential etc etc. I love the fact everyone's sleeping on them. Going to be a tough first round matchup though but I think they take the series in (6) games. They're deeper than Minnesota and have had their number for a while now.
If O'Reily scores one more goal in the next two games that'll give the Blues (9) 20 Goal scorers! (Faulk has 16...not going to get there but pretty dang close to 10)
Nashville may be the 'sleeper' team that makes a deep run. They're good and I'd be more scared to play them than Colorado.
Colorado gets a cakewalk in playing Dallas. Zero chance Dallas does anything in that series...but, Colorado has earned that right by throttling everyone in the regular season.
Western conference representative in the SC comes out of the second round Colorado vs Blues/Wild. One of those three teams is going to the Cup.
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Western conference representative in the SC comes out of the second round Colorado vs Blues/Wild. One of those three teams is going to the Cup.
Someone bookmark this for reference in about six weeks.
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Western conference representative in the SC comes out of the second round Colorado vs Blues/Wild. One of those three teams is going to the Cup.
Someone bookmark this for reference in about six weeks.
It’ll either be incredibly prophetic or show how little I know. :lol
Either way it’s a win win.
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Matthews has to be the favourite for the Hart.
It'd be a crime if he didn't get it. Seriously. Some other folks as you mentioned are in that conversation but if Matthews doesn't come away with that then it's a travesty.
I'd say that since most of the PHWA is based in the East, Matthews is already a lock for the Hart. What will be a real travesty is if he takes home the Ted Lindsay, as well. You can easily make the case that Matthews is the "most valuable player to their team". But he's still far from being the best player in the league.
And on the subject of the Hart, what happens if McDavid plays both the remaining games for the Oil and manages to hit 130pts (not unthinkable given he's easily capable of putting up 4 points per game)? That would be the most points in a season since Gretzky's 130 in '93-94. Does that change the conversation, or is it still a bigger feat to hit 60 goals in 73 games (which, as I type this, does sound pretty ridiculous a feat)?
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The daily update:
Eastern Conference
No changes
Western Conference
Only change is that Vegas is eliminated. Dallas is currently WC1 by one point; Nashville has a game in hand and owns the first tiebreaker.
On another subject, the Presidents' Trophy remains up for grabs. Florida has 120 points and Colorado has 118. Both teams have two games remaining. Colorado owns the first tiebreaker. The Panthers play in Ottawa tonight and in Montreal tomorrow, while the Avs will host Nashville tonight and visit Minnesota tomorrow.
Here's a little Presidents' Trophy trivia: The PT was first awarded at the conclusion of the 1985-86 season. It has been awarded 35 times to 17 different teams. Detroit has won it six times, which is twice as much as any other team, and Detroit won the Cup in two of those six seasons. The PT winner won the Cup eight times, with no team other than Detroit winning the Cup more than once in a season when it won the PT. Conversely, the PT winner was eliminated in the first round of the playoffs on seven occasions. This fate befell the PT winner four times in seven seasons between 2005-06 and 2011-12. In the post-expansion, pre-PT era (1967-68 through 1984-85), the team with the league's best record won the Cup in 11 of 18 seasons. The fact that the percentage of PT winners who won the Cup went WAY down (with only 3 of the first 13 PT winners winning the Cup) is probably what gave rise to the myth of a PT "curse."
Anyone else wonder why they're bothering with the Seattle v. Winnipeg game on Sunday?
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Anyone else wonder why they're bothering with the Seattle v. Winnipeg game on Sunday?
Not at all. There's several obvious reasons:
- TV revenue
- Ticket revenue
- Individual player stats
- Team stats
- Draft lottery odds (i haven't checked if that's actually the case for those 2 teams)
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Dallas is currently WC1 by one point; Nashville has a game in hand and owns the first tiebreaker.
Would LOVE to see a Colorado/Nashville series as that would be a bloodbath and honestly.....Nashville has the ability to win that series. Assuming Sarros plays and is healthy.
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Not at all. There's several obvious reasons:
...- Draft lottery odds (i haven't checked if that's actually the case for those 2 teams)
I suppose. I assume this is a COVID makeup game, and I'm used to baseball where postponed games are often not made up at the end of the season if they won't affect the playoff standings. In this case, Seattle could finish with either the 3rd or 4th worst record (whether that will still be in play will depend on how they do in their penultimate game and PHI does in its final game), and Winnipeg could finish anywhere from 13th to 15th worst.
Dallas is currently WC1 by one point; Nashville has a game in hand and owns the first tiebreaker.
Would LOVE to see a Colorado/Nashville series as that would be a bloodbath and honestly.....Nashville has the ability to win that series. Assuming Sarros plays and is healthy.
Dallas is the only playoff team with a negative goal differential (assuming Vancouver doesn't beat the Kings by 5 or more goals tonight). Interestingly, both Dallas and Nashville currently have winning records against Colorado this season (both won 2 of 3 games against Colorado, and Colorado and Nashville play once more tonight).
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Surprising timing of a completely unsurprising announcement: https://www.nhl.com/kings/news/dustin-brown-set-to-retire-following-2022-nhl-stanley-cup-playoffs/c-333521246
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Except for the Leafs winning a round, I have come to expect that just about anything can happen in the NHL playoffs. I mean, who thought the Lightning would get swept by Columbus in the 1st round back in '19? I am ready for some double overtime games...just not ones involving the Blues. :lol :lol
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Well, I knew this day would come. Although, part of me hoped Brown would played well enough and be effective to get one more year like Joe Pavelski and Jeff Carter has gotten with their teams. Dustin Brown and Ryan Getzlaf retiring. An end of an era. Both guys drafted in the 2003 year and both played all of their games with one team and led their teams in the Kings/Ducks rivalry. I hope the next guys that's coming along (Trevor Zegras, Jamie Drysdale, etc. for the Ducks. Quinton Byfield and Arthur Kaliyev, etc. for the Kings) can continue that next chapter. I think that's already taking place given what happened in the last Kings/Ducks game.
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On another note, the battle of who wants the Leafs is going to come down to the final game. Bruins/Leafs and Bolts/Islanders tomorrow. Jingle, how are you feeling?
(https://i.imgur.com/lP8VE2h.png)
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On another note, the battle of who wants the Leafs is going to come down to the final game. Bruins/Leafs and Bolts/Islanders tomorrow. Jingle, how are you feeling?
(https://i.imgur.com/lP8VE2h.png)
It'll be interesting how the teams play it. I would think all teams involved will rest their top guys. Bruins play in Toronto tomorrow night, and apparently everyone is already ruled out for the Leafs. Pretty sure the B's will rest guys as well.
B's one point behind the Bolts but own the tiebreaker.
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DeBoer has to be one of the worst coaches in the NHL.
Not only that he's a crybaby. He's always been a major D Bag. IMO Vegas is reaping what they sowed. Fleeced the league in the expansion draft (in their defense they were allowed to) and then attempted the Yankees approach to building a team. Dicked over a future HOF goalie for a flavor of the week net minder......Shafted a loved and respected HC in Gerard Gallant (how are those Rangers doing anyway ;D) and then to top it all off they attempted their version of salary cap manipulation with the Eichel deal. I personally LOVE seeing what they're going through because it's all self inflicted.
I meant to come back to this. I read this this morning at work. I agree, Gary. How do you bail on Fluery for that psycho Lehner? I never understood that.
They also bailed on Gallant kind of quickly as well. He's a good coach.
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Well, I knew this day would come. Although, part of me hoped Brown would played well enough and be effective to get one more year like Joe Pavelski and Jeff Carter has gotten with their teams. Dustin Brown and Ryan Getzlaf retiring. An end of an era. Both guys drafted in the 2003 year and both played all of their games with one team and led their teams in the Kings/Ducks rivalry. I hope the next guys that's coming along (Trevor Zegras, Jamie Drysdale, etc. for the Ducks. Quinton Byfield and Arthur Kaliyev, etc. for the Kings) can continue that next chapter. I think that's already taking place given what happened in the last Kings/Ducks game.
I think Brown could be functional for another year, but I don't think it would be a good idea, and I don't think it would have been right for the Kings. Props to the Canucks and their fans for showing him a huge amount of respect last night. Hopefully the Kings can get some big time playoff motivation from this.
Leafs v. Bruins game tonight should be fun. One of several that matter:
- Boston @ Toronto
- Washington @ NYR
- Columbus @ Pittsburgh
- Tampa Bay @ NYI
- Vegas @ St. Louis
- Colorado @ Minnesota
- Anaheim @ Dallas
- Nashville @ Arizona
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RE: Vegas... Yeah, me too Gary. I love that this misfortune has befallen them. They're one of my most hated franchises in the league - certainly most hated in the West.
As for how I feel... nervous, as every Leaf fan should be. Tavares, Matthews, Marner and Campbell are sitting tonight. And until this team wins a series, everyone will be on edge. I mean, if they can blow 3-1 vs last year's Habs, as well as a 3rd period game-7 lead over Boston 3 years ago, nothing can be taken for granted. I'm not keen to go against the defending 2-time cup champs, and while it would be great to spank Boston, it'd be beyond demoralizing to see them go 0-4 in the post-season against them over the last 10 years. I should think that the Bs might be more interested to play the Canes vs the Leafs though. Without Freddie, and Raanta's health questionable, the goaltending looks to be pretty shaky there.
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How can any team in the West be more hated than the Blackhawks? Don't get me wrong, I'm kind of enjoying watching Vegas stumble this season too, but man, the Blackhawks as an organization are just on a different level.
As for the playoffs, outside of a 2nd round Battle of Alberta, I'm rooting for chaos. If I really had to make a choice, I'd like to see St. Louis or Calgary out of the West, and Carolina or Florida out of the East.
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How can any team in the West be more hated than the Blackhawks? Don't get me wrong, I'm kind of enjoying watching Vegas stumble this season too, but man, the Blackhawks as an organization are just on a different level.
As for the playoffs, outside of a 2nd round Battle of Alberta, I'm rooting for chaos. If I really had to make a choice, I'd like to see St. Louis or Calgary out of the West, and Carolina or Florida out of the East.
Hawks were hated when they were on top in the Kings/Hawks era. Vancouver fans especially hated them. These days the Hawks are basically invisible. You only notice them when your team plays them. Personally, they're my second favorite team so I've never hated them. I've been a fan since they drafted Toews, and very much relished the cup wins. Not mention cheering them during the playoffs in packed pubs full of vancouver fans.
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How can any team in the West be more hated than the Blackhawks? Don't get me wrong, I'm kind of enjoying watching Vegas stumble this season too, but man, the Blackhawks as an organization are just on a different level.
As for the playoffs, outside of a 2nd round Battle of Alberta, I'm rooting for chaos. If I really had to make a choice, I'd like to see St. Louis or Calgary out of the West, and Carolina or Florida out of the East.
Hawks were hated when they were on top in the Kings/Hawks era. Vancouver fans especially hated them. These days the Hawks are basically invisible. You only notice them when your team plays them. Personally, they're my second favorite team so I've never hated them. I've been a fan since they drafted Toews, and very much relished the cup wins. Not mention cheering them during the playoffs in packed pubs full of vancouver fans.
I guess I'm speaking more to the franchise's off-ice issues of trying to sweep sexual assault under the rug and then victim blaming, all while showing little to no contrition or remorse. I used to hate them but respect them. Now, I hope they slide back into irrelevance and stay there for a good long while.
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Yeah, that franchise is f'ed for a while with everything off-ice that's going on. They don't even have their 1st round pick this season unless they win the draft lottery. Although, they can salivate that they have Tampa's first round picks in 2023 and 2024. Maybe by then things would be better.
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Assuming it's true (seems to be from an NHL source), this surprises me:
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I'm surprised that Crosby, Malkin, Letang, and Fleury is not on it. Then again, there were periods where one of the three skaters were injured and Fleury obviously lasted until 2017.
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Well, that’s basically 8 full seasons. I’m surprised that some combo of 2 Edm forwards (Gretzky/kurri /Mess) + Fuhr + Lowe never had that. Though, Gretz was traded in ‘88. The only thing holding that back would’ve been Fuhr”s total games played, since he didn’t join until “81/‘82 (just checked, it was under 400 between’81 and ‘88 - despite a 75 game season in ‘87’88 :omg:)
Kuch + Point (or Stammer) + Hedmen + Vasilevsjy could get up there.
Just heard there are 126 20-goal scorers in the league this year ... most since 1990. Hats a lot of scoring.
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I'm surprised that Crosby, Malkin, Letang, and Fleury is not on it. Then again, there were periods where one of the three skaters were injured and Fleury obviously lasted until 2017.
The careers of those four in Pittsburgh overlapped from 2006-17. During that time, Malkin played in 706 games, Crosby in 701, Letang in 603, and Fleury in 373, so they're somewhere south of 373.
And, for reference, Rask, Chara, Bergeron and Krejci played a max of 536 in Boston (2006-20); and Crawford, Toews, Kane and Keith played a max of 481 in Chicago (2008-20).
And yeah...the overlap between Fuhr (last to arrive) and Gretzky (first to leave) was only 81-88, which was a max of 560 games even if everyone played every game (Lowe came closest with 541).
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Not to be anal, but ... beginning of ‘81 to end of 88 is 8 seasons ... 640 ish games.
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Not to be anal, but ...
Nah..not you.. :lol
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Tim ... wanted to make sure you saw this one about Bossy (if you hadn’t already). https://youtu.be/IxEufRyB42Y
And the corresponding Bell Centre tribute the Lafleur - https://youtu.be/6UW3JPBkzSE
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Thanks Chad, I appreciate that. Wonderful clip.
I saw the Lafluer one because they were playing the Bruins that night so I was already tuned in. That was quite a presentation, and a 10 minute standing O.
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Not to be anal, but .... 10 mins and 10 secs. :biggrin:
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That was quite a finish to today when it comes to the playoffs positioning. Stars/Ducks had to resort to an emergency backup goalie for the Ducks in which the Stars won. Predators started hot with a 4-0 lead in like the 1st 5 minutes against the Coyotes and the Coyotes somehow ended up winning in regulation.
I thought it was locked in that was going to be Avs/Stars and Flames/Preds. It's actually Avs/Preds and Flames/Stars.
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Not to be anal, but .... 10 mins and 10 secs. :biggrin:
:lol
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I am happy that the Buffalo Sabres won in "Ooooooooooooooooooovertime" last night to make it a special final game for their longtime broadcast commentator, Rick Jeanneret. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjINX8Ddosc
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When the team has the best season in franchise history, almost all of your young starters have 'career-best' years, and you have to face the 2-time defending Cup Champs in round 1.
(https://c.tenor.com/W9bSekhIONcAAAAC/are-you-kidding-me-bridesmaids.gif)
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Bracket Time!
Atlantic
Florida vs Wash
Toronto vs Tampa
Florida vs Toronto
Metro
Carolina vs Boston
NY Rangers vs Pittsburgh
NY Rangers vs Boston
Central
Colorado vs Nashville
Minnesota vs St. Louis
Colorado vs Minnesota
Pacific
Calgary vs Dallas
Edmonton vs Los Angeles
Calgary vs Edmonton
Conference Finals
Toronto vs NY Rangers
Minnesota vs Edmonton
Finals
Toronto vs Minnesota
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I like your optimism, Tim ... misguided as it may be.
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Well, I don’t want to derail the playoff talk too much, but I just want to quickly reiterate how much fun I had watching the inaugural season of my beloved Kraken!
I was never thinking of a playoff berth, but considering that there are still 16 teams that don’t make the playoffs I was hoping to be in the upper half of those 16 teams. But…there’s always next year. We seemed to be playing a bit closer to 500 over the final third of the season, but still end as the third worst team in the league and just one point away from the Philadelphia Flyers.
“Don’t cry because it’s over…smile because it happened.”
Here’s to better days moving forward!
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Glad you enjoyed the season, Ben. Hockey is awesome!!
Hopefully you'll follow the playoffs.
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Florida v.s. Minnesota in the final. Otherwise, Tim's bracket looks good. Maybe swap Edmonton and Calgary series. I also appreciate the optimism, but I'm not sure we can take the Flames in a 7 game series. Would be a wild one though. There would no doubt be convoys of fans traveling between cities
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When the team has the best season in franchise history, almost all of your young starters have 'career-best' years, and you have to face the 2-time defending Cup Champs in round 1.
(https://c.tenor.com/W9bSekhIONcAAAAC/are-you-kidding-me-bridesmaids.gif)
Well, honestly, the Leafs can't get picky about their 1st round matchup after the last two years where they had favorable matchups. Sometimes, teams just needs to be put to the challenge of rising to the occasion in unfair situations. I understand that can be tough, but it can be done.
For me, I'm just like I'm all good vibes and everything. No one really expected the Kings to make the playoffs and here we are. The Oilers are the ones with the most pressure and expectations. Still, I think this is a good matchup. Their flaws aren't as revealing after the coach change. It may come down to special teams and goalies. The Kings/Oilers games, this season, were for the most part played like one-goal games. I just want this to go at least 6.
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Bracket Time!
Atlantic
Florida vs Wash
Toronto vs Tampa
Florida vs Toronto
Metro
Carolina vs Boston
NY Rangers vs Pittsburgh
NY Rangers vs Boston
Central
Colorado vs Nashville
Minnesota vs St. Louis
Colorado vs Minnesota
Pacific
Calgary vs Dallas
Edmonton vs Los Angeles
Calgary vs Edmonton
Conference Finals
Toronto vs NY Rangers
Minnesota vs Edmonton
Finals
Toronto vs Minnesota
I'm not going to predict Tor/Tam at all. I like the Boston/Carolina matchup going the Bs way, but even with a backup goalie, Carolina is just so damned good. I'd be stunned if Pitt or Wash win.
In the west, Wild/Blues could go either way. Avs and Flames should be the right calls. I'm with Rich on the Flames/Oilers. Sutter-coached, deep team, and a clear #1 goalie gives the edge to the Flames.
Finals... All depends on if the Leafs win Rd1. If the do, I can see them getting past Florida and to the Conf or SC finals. If not, Florida to the Finals.
Still, I'll take the winner of the Central to win the Cup.
Yes, I know I'm being ambiguous af.
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Not to be anal, but ... beginning of ‘81 to end of 88 is 8 seasons ... 640 ish games.
1. 1981-82 (Fuhr's first season)
2. 1982-83
3. 1983-84
4. 1984-85
5. 1985-86
6. 1986-87
7. 1987-88 (Gretzky's last season with Edmonton)
Total: 7 seasons.
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Not to be anal, but ... beginning of ‘81 to end of 88 is 8 seasons ... 640 ish games.
1. 1981-82 (Fuhr's first season)
2. 1982-83
3. 1983-84
4. 1984-85
5. 1985-86
6. 1986-87
7. 1987-88 (Gretzky's last season with Edmonton)
Total: 7 seasons.
For some reason, I was thinking '81 = '80/'81.
Carry on.... :lolpalm:
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Sucks to see the Blues getting those damn 8:30 start times again. The NHL really sucks sometimes.
This means I won't be able to watch all of Games 1 and 2 (cannot afford to stay up late either night because of work). Damn.
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Complaining and the series hasn't even started yet! :lol
What time do you get up?
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Complaining and the series hasn't even started yet! :lol
What time do you get up?
6:30-ish (really, I often wake up between 5 and 6 am and toss and turn until my alarm goes off), but here are the problems:
Game 1 is Monday night, and Tuesday is my first day back to work after a 4-day weekend (I took off tomorrow as well to have a day to relax after the epic Morsefest extravaganza), so I cannot in to work tired on Tuesday as I will have 500+ emails to go over.
Game 2 is Wednesday night, and the account manger whom I back up (who also backs me up) is going on vacation for a week and is off work this Wednesday through the following Wednesday, so I cannot stay up late and be super tired Thursday with having to do my job AND someone else's, especially since I get crappy sleep already.
First world problems, I know. :lol :lol
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Don't be such a pussy! :lol
My alarm goes off at 3:55 every day.
Can't you bang out some emails tomorrow from home?
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It's likely I will sort through them at some point tomorrow on Outlook at home, but I am one of those "if you want something right, you have to do it yourself" people, so Tuesday morning will, in addition to doing new stuff that day, consist of going over stuff of mine that was done when I was gone to make sure it was done right. :facepalm: :facepalm: That is not a reflection of anyone I work with, but more of my mentality.
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My bracket:
Metro:
Carolina v. Boston
NY Rangers v. Pittsburgh
Atlantic:
Florida v. Washington
Toronto v. Tampa Bay
Central:
Colorado v. Nashville
Minnesota v. St. Louis
Pacific:
Calgary v. Dallas
Edmonton v. Los Angeles
Division Finals
Metro:
NY Rangers v. Boston
Atlantic:
Florida v. Tampa Bay
Central:
Colorado v. St. Louis
Pacific:
Calgary v. Edmonton
Conference Finals:
Calgary v. St. Louis
NY Rangers v. Florida
Stanley Cup:
St. Louis v. Florida
The two series that I think are the toughest to predict are the 2v3 matchups in the Central and the Atlantic. Toronto looks different this year, but I don't see how they get past Tampa Bay's playoff experience. I can see Fleury stealing the series for Minnesota, but I don't see how they withstand St. Louis' balanced offense. Those two series are what I'm really looking forward to in the first round. I just hope everyone has fun! ;D
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My bracket.
Conference Quarterfinals
FLA vs WSH
TOR vs TB
CAR vs BOS
NYR vs PIT
COL vs NSH
MIN vs STL
CAL vs DAL
EDM vs LA
Conference Semifinals
FLA vs TB
CAR vs NYR
COL vs STL
CAL vs EDM
Conference Finals
FLA vs CAR
COL vs EDM
Stanley Cup Finals
FLA vs EDM
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I'm just going to say that all y'all picking Edmonton suck.
You might be right, but you suck anyway.
LET'S GO KINGS!!!
(https://media2.s-nbcnews.com/j/NBCSports/Components/Video/_NEW/s_nbc_nhl_vanlaksedinhit_120415_4x3.focal-760x428.jpg)
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I tried to contemplate and make a bracket but I'm unable to do so with and unbiased mind. Just going to sit back and watch it all unfold.
I do think this STL v MIN series is going to be a doozy......so is that TOR v TB. Just brutal that two of those 4 teams won't be in the second round.
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I think Edmonton wins the series if the goaltending is even remotely consistent. The team is certainly deep enough up front and on D, but I honestly have limited faith in Smith/Koskinen. They've been streaky enough this season that this series could go sideways awfully fast. 6 or 7 games, for sure.
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I do think this STL v MIN series is going to be a doozy......so is that TOR v TB. Just brutal that two of those 4 teams won't be in the second round.
Yeah. Here's hoping for the best for both of us.
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The Corgi choose Kings' basket in the 1st round picks. At least, the best opinion is on the Kings' side.
https://twitter.com/NHL/status/1521220565775831057/video/1
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That Mattews goal on the 2 man advantage was amazing. You think they've practiced that before? I love how he passes it down low and curls like he's going to be out of the play, so when no one is looking, he skates full steam to the circle and BAM!
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Leafs have a PK, PP, and Even Strength goal. Looking pretty solid, but they've always got the ability to blow it.
How do the Bs look?
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These refs are whistle happy. 1/2 thru the game, and 9 PPs already (5 TB; 4 TOR)
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Leafs have a PK, PP, and Even Strength goal. Looking pretty solid, but they've always got the ability to blow it.
How do the Bs look?
B's down 2-0 after 2. They look fine. They just haven't been able to break through. I think they are getting Carolina's top effort tonight. It's been a great game. Very fast paced.
Carolina has great sticks in the D-zone.
These refs are whistle happy. 1/2 thru the game, and 9 PPs already (5 TB; 4 TOR)
Jesus.. Do they think this is a Raptors game?
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This Leafs/Bolts game has gotten extremely chippy in game 1. People getting booted out, someone drew blood. Lots of penalties and the Leafs leading 5-0.
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Refs are keeping the theme going in the Blues/Wild game.
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That was about as perfect a game as the Leafs could play. When they had more scoring chances in the 5-min PK, that pretty much set the tone. It’s only one game, but it’s the right start that team needed.
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Looked like the start of a Cup Run to me.
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4 PP’s called for Wild so far. 1 for the Blues and both teams are playing hard. Don’t mind it when it goes both ways but I’m starting the engine on about to lose it.
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And yet the Blues are up 3-0 .... WITH A PP GOAL!!
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And yet the Blues are up 3-0 .... WITH A PP GOAL!!
Actually….its 2 PP goals. Perron scored the first one right at the moment the first one ended and they just changed it back to a PP goal.
Point is, there are two teams playing playoff hockey yet the calls are a bit lopsided right now. Oh well. It’s a young group of refs. It’s just annoying that the only momentum the Wild gets is off of the PP….and everyone the Blues start to take the momentum back there’s a convenient Penalty called on them.
It’s all a conspiracy, don’t ya know? ;D
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That being said…..there’s nothing like playoff hockey. In any sport. The Stanley Cup Playoffs are in a tier of their own, every other sport is down there somewhere fighting for a distant second.
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Husso played like a beast. Have to find a way to keep that kid around. PK was huge and Minnesota lost their cool in the third and cost themselves any chance of mounting a comeback.
Always nice to grab that first one on the road.
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Hot damn!
Oilers fall down...Kings get penalized, but the Oilers never led and came up CLUTCH in the last couple minutes. HUGE game 1 win on the road.
Not sure my heart can survive this.
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That game was the only game today that wasn't a blow-out and despite the special teams doing their best to screw this up for us, the Kings pulled through. 2nd lines guys and Quick pulled it through.
It's already better than 2018. They have a win and scored more goals than 2018 combined.
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How about this cheap shot by Spurgeon? If that’s McDavid or MacKinnon getting hit like that Spurgeon is thrown in solitary confinement. I don’t expect anything to come of it but there was clear intent to injure one of the Blues top players there.
https://twitter.com/theathletic/status/1521349216886566913?s=21&t=Kt9BLqDbV2VYbhd6zOmWXg
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I managed to stay up for two periods! :tup :tup
That should be at least a game for Spurgeon, as that was a clear intent to injure, but we'll see.
Special teams and Husso won that game, by all accounts.
One down, 15 to go! :metal :metal
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That game was the only game today that wasn't a blow-out and despite the special teams doing their best to screw this up for us, the Kings pulled through. 2nd lines guys and Quick pulled it through.
It's already better than 2018. They have a win and scored more goals than 2018 combined.
The phantom tripping penalty on Iafallo to start the second, and which directly led to Edmonton's second goal, which tied the game, was complete bullshit. That said, penalties were 5-5. The too many men penalty at the end of the second was sloppy and negated a power play. Kings were jumping out of the gate, but they seemed a bit lost in the second. Third period was absolutely crazy. Needless to say, Wednesday will be huge.
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Special teams and Husso won that game, by all accounts.
100% Blues PP looked great.....bummer for the Playoff PP % that the last three they were given (when the Wild Players decided they were done playing and started head hunting) they weren't even trying to score....they just played keep away to wind the time down.
Gonna be a brutal series if it continues at that pace though....lots of tussles and scraps.
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I managed to stay up for two periods! :tup :tup
That should be at least a game for Spurgeon, as that was a clear intent to injure, but we'll see.
Special teams and Husso won that game, by all accounts.
One down, 15 to go! :metal :metal
The Wheel of the Department of Player Safety landed on the $5k fine. People on Twitter are clearly not pleased.
https://twitter.com/NHLPlayerSafety/status/1521514627863138304?cxt=HHwWgMC-pcTfwJ0qAAAA
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That game was the only game today that wasn't a blow-out and despite the special teams doing their best to screw this up for us, the Kings pulled through. 2nd lines guys and Quick pulled it through.
It's already better than 2018. They have a win and scored more goals than 2018 combined.
The phantom tripping penalty on Iafallo to start the second, and which directly led to Edmonton's second goal, which tied the game, was complete bullshit. That said, penalties were 5-5. The too many men penalty at the end of the second was sloppy and negated a power play. Kings were jumping out of the gate, but they seemed a bit lost in the second. Third period was absolutely crazy. Needless to say, Wednesday will be huge.
Agreed. I don't think the Oil are coming back if they spot LA 2 games.
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How about this cheap shot by Spurgeon? If that’s McDavid or MacKinnon getting hit like that Spurgeon is thrown in solitary confinement. I don’t expect anything to come of it but there was clear intent to injure one of the Blues top players there.
https://twitter.com/theathletic/status/1521349216886566913?s=21&t=Kt9BLqDbV2VYbhd6zOmWXg
That's pretty brutal, to not get anything. It's not a hockey play, Buchnevich wasn't expecting... it fits all the criteria for a suspension. So did Kyle Clifford's boarding, and *he's* getting a hearing!
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How about this cheap shot by Spurgeon? If that’s McDavid or MacKinnon getting hit like that Spurgeon is thrown in solitary confinement. I don’t expect anything to come of it but there was clear intent to injure one of the Blues top players there.
https://twitter.com/theathletic/status/1521349216886566913?s=21&t=Kt9BLqDbV2VYbhd6zOmWXg
That's pretty brutal, to not get anything. It's not a hockey play, Buchnevich wasn't expecting... it fits all the criteria for a suspension.
In real time it looked cheap....slow mo' reveals how dirty it was. He targeted the upper ankle there and had plenty of time NOT to follow through with it. Thing is, Buchnevich did nothing to really 'deserve' that other than play hard which EVERY player playing is doing.
I was honestly shocked at how off the rails the Wild went the last 6-8 minutes of that game. Lots of pretty cheap crap went down. I'm all for heavy playoff hockey but they took it to a different level IMO
Anyway.....lots of pressure on the Wild now to take game 2. It's not a 'must win' by any means but it's a game where the pressure is way more on them than the Blues.
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Tampa went a little sideways too - Maroon goaded Morgan Reilly into a fight after Simmonds just laughed at him for wanting to dance. I mean, when you're up 4-0, why do anything that might give the other team even a tiny little spark. Simmonds just smirked at him and skated away, so eventually Maroon all but 'jumped' Reilly during the commercial break. I think during that exchange, 4 or 5 players got roughing and 10 minute misconducts to get them all off the ice.
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Tampa went a little sideways too - Maroon goaded Morgan Reilly into a fight after Simmonds just laughed at him for wanting to dance. I mean, when you're up 4-0, why do anything that might give the other team even a tiny little spark. Simmonds just smirked at him and skated away, so eventually Maroon all but 'jumped' Reilly during the commercial break. I think during that exchange, 4 or 5 players got roughing and 10 minute misconducts to get them all off the ice.
Exactly. You don't think the Blues won't remember Spurgeon's cheap shot? And, they're not going to respond by pummeling him....they'll respond by dropping another 4 goals on them. (although I won't rule out Schenn leveling Spurgeon in the first 5 Minutes tomorrow night :lol)
Point is....it's a (most likely) 6-7 game series and IMO the Wild (and from what it sounds like) TB lost their cool. I know Minnesota was frustrated beyond belief because they were 0-6 on the PP and even when they had a good chance Husso made great saves or they hit a post.
It was kind of funny to watch the last 4 minutes when the Blues were on the PP essentially the remainder of the game and they just tick tack toed passes back and forth with little thought to even try to score. Anyway.....
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Similar to the NFL, the NHL really only cares about player safety when there is a serious injury or big media outcry, so Spurgeon getting a slap on the wrist didn't shock me. No matter, the Blues are still gonna punk them. :hat :hat
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I’m sorry but that was a goal. It’s not goalie interference if you’re pushed into the goalie by the other team.
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I’m sorry but that was a goal. It’s not goalie interference if you’re pushed into the goalie by the other team.
Definitely not a goal. Goals have been called back for WAY less.
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I think the Rangers got hooped on that goal. I’m a firm believer that the Hockey Gods will alway make things right. If the Pens win, then it was interference; if the Rangers win, then it wasn’t.
Also, “No-Save” Dave living up to his moniker. Holy moly are they getting crushed.
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I think the Rangers got hooped on that goal. I’m a firm believer that the Hockey Gods will always make things right. If the Pens win, then it was interference; if the Rangers win, then it wasn’t.
As am I, but based on the goals I've seen called back this season, that wasn't even close.
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Goalie change halfway through the 2nd OT??
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Wow. Louis Domingue enters the game!
Speculation from SportsNet crew was that DeSmith was cramping.
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That game should have ended in regulation. Instead, Igor makes the second most saves ever in a playoff game but the Penguins still win. The refs owe the Rangers a win.
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While I personally think that ruling on the GI was wrong, I can see the case for why it was GI. And there was still 3 minutes left - enough time for the Pens to potentially tie it up again. As I said, the Hockey Gods ruled.
Puck don't lie.
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Is it possible for the Bruins to suffer a 4 game sweep in just two games?
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I noted that at this beginning of the playoffs, three teams have already resorted to playing their 3rd string goalies due to injuries. Hurricanes, Penguins, and Predators. I hope this is not a trend moving forward.
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I Fn hate hockey. Blues dominating the Wild holding them shot less for the first 11 minutes of the game then……broken stick on a pass from our D leads to a Wild goal and a gift wrapped PP for the Wild for breathing heavy in the direction of Kaprizov and they go up by 2. This sport is determined to give me a coronary.
***edit**** make that two horse crap calls for touching Kaprisov
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Is it possible for the Bruins to suffer a 4 game sweep in just two games?
Don't watch the next 2 games. Mission accomplished.
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They are overmatched.
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They are overmatched.
Yup. I feel like you and I knew this going in.
Worst part, I have game 6 tickets.
Fantasy!
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Boston looks bad.
Leafs almost made it interesting. Matthews had the puck wired for top corner, blocker side .... that went off the shaft of Vasilevsky’s twig. That would’ve made it 5-4 with about 2 mins to go. That place would’ve been rocking had that happened.
Refs again were whistle happy again - 7 PPs for the Bolts. 11 total in each of game 1 and 2. FFS, just let them fucking play.
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Leafs and Canes are the B's Kryptonite this year.
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5 - 0. I'm going to bed. I will be fucking upset if i wake up tomorrow to a 6-5 loss.
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5 - 0. I'm going to bed. I will be fucking upset if i wake up tomorrow to a 6-5 loss.
Oh don't worry about it, it ain't happening today. The Kings aren't playing like they are going to pull that off today.
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Still lots of scoring. Where's the 'playoff' defense!?!?
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Still lots of scoring. Where's the 'playoff' defense!?!?
In Carolina…
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Where's the 'playoff' defense!?!?
Speaking of....the Blues may be F'd. Nick Leddy, who...while I hated the trade at the time has been rock solid since coming to the Blues and stabilized our D....was out of last nights game dealing with the aftermath of being boarded from behind with no call. And then, in last nights game....Bortuzzo took a puck to the head while blocking a shot from about 8 foot away. It looked brutal. He didn't return and I'm guessing the dude has a concussion....wouldn't be shocked if they said his skull was fractured. Right off the side of the head at the edge of the helmet where it meets the skin. Ooof.
'If' neither one of those guys return this series just took a major turn because the rest of the Blues defenders are greener than crap. Still infuriated at the hockey Gods for the broken stick that led to a turnover that changed the tide of that game last night but I also wasn't expecting a sweep or the Blues to win that one anyway....just frustrating.
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Tough break Gary. I hear ya man. I wasn't expecting a W last night either (TB hasn't lost 2 games in a row since they were swept by CBJ), so it's gonna be a tough slog, even if they remain fully healthy.
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Here's the Bortuzzo puck to the head....just ouch....
https://twitter.com/jprutherford/status/1522039507809361921?s=20&t=XNO4F5kHfmuys50VZEhJQg
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Holy fuck. That kind of shit is scary, and amazing it doesn't happen more frequently.
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Holy fuck. That kind of shit is scary, and amazing it doesn't happen more frequently.
It truly is.
A few weeks back I took a slapshot to the elbow in my Sunday Night League standing in front of the net looking for a tip play......
In the immediate aftermath I literally could not move my hand or fingers...it was freaking weird....and this small knot started to form:
(https://i.imgur.com/CRlugc7.jpg)
With some help I managed to get my gear off and get home....was icing it and finally started to be able to move my fingers and hand but then it just started to blow up I went to a 24 hour urgent care because it was freaking killing me anytime I move my arm:
(https://i.imgur.com/GsJ42H6.jpg)
XRays showed no fractures or breaks so I just had to deal with it and it just kept blowing up and filling with fluid....on Wednesday I went in to an Orthopedic Surgeon to see if the fluid should be drained and he told me nope. That I'd essentially bruised my radial nerve and that I was lucky to get mobility back in my hand and fingers so quick because he's seen it last for weeks sometimes months..
(https://i.imgur.com/6qq7TdM.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/yKSVpTc.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/FACjFax.jpg)
Those pics were from that Wednesday.....went on a fishing trip with my Dad from Thursday through Sunday and while the reeling of the poles was uncomfortable I think it helped moving it around. Just kept popping Ibuproferin
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5 - 0. I'm going to bed. I will be fucking upset if i wake up tomorrow to a 6-5 loss.
Oh don't worry about it, it ain't happening today. The Kings aren't playing like they are going to pull that off today.
We're just going to pretend that game didn't happen. JFC!
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I went to bed at 3-0 last night as I was sick and exhausted and could tell it was one of those nights. The Blues probably outplayed the Wild in the 1st period, yet the Wild seemingly scored on every decent chance they had.
Leddy and/or Bortuzzo (ouch indeed!) being out could definitely be a series changer.
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Blues are F’d. Just recalled Santini so that doesn’t bode well on the injury front.
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Now THAT’S more like it! More of that please Rangers!
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Holy fuck. That kind of shit is scary, and amazing it doesn't happen more frequently.
No kidding. Hope he's okay!
I know shot blocking has gained prominence over the last decade or so, but man, let the goalie have that one and take out the guy next to your goalie so he doesn't get a chance at a rebound.
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I know shot blocking has gained prominence over the last decade or so, but man, let the goalie have that one and take out the guy next to your goalie so he doesn't get a chance at a rebound.
Hockey players are a rare breed, as dropping down to block shots is almost a source of pride for them. It is amazing that more do not get hurt like the way Bortuzzo did.
I did chuckle a while back when Colton Parayko (who has a wicked slap shot) said Al MacInnis (who was known for having a crazy hard shot) once told him, "If guys drop down to block your shots, just keep shooting. Trust me, they will eventually get out of the way." :lol :lol
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I know shot blocking has gained prominence over the last decade or so
It's not just in the Pro's either....the kids on my 12U team I coached this year were big on blocking or trying to block shots and pumped each other up when someone got a block. Like Kev said....it's a big 'pride' and recognition thing that's filtered it's way into youth as well.
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I know shot blocking has gained prominence over the last decade or so
It's not just in the Pro's either....the kids on my 12U team I coached this year were big on blocking or trying to block shots and pumped each other up when someone got a block. Like Kev said....it's a big 'pride' and recognition thing that's filtered it's way into youth as well.
Not just youth. I see it in men's league too.
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I know shot blocking has gained prominence over the last decade or so
It's not just in the Pro's either....the kids on my 12U team I coached this year were big on blocking or trying to block shots and pumped each other up when someone got a block. Like Kev said....it's a big 'pride' and recognition thing that's filtered it's way into youth as well.
Not just youth. I see it in men's league too.
True....I am one of those who goes out of my way to block shots in my Sunday night league. It's just the way I am when it comes to competing....was catcher in baseball that got beat up by foul tips and blocked pitches....and just carry that mind set.
But there's really no need to be doing so given there are no scouts at our games, no league standings or prizes.....and I'm 46. :lol
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Just for funsies...10 years ago today!
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I know shot blocking has gained prominence over the last decade or so
It's not just in the Pro's either....the kids on my 12U team I coached this year were big on blocking or trying to block shots and pumped each other up when someone got a block. Like Kev said....it's a big 'pride' and recognition thing that's filtered it's way into youth as well.
Not just youth. I see it in men's league too.
True....I am one of those who goes out of my way to block shots in my Sunday night league. It's just the way I am when it comes to competing....was catcher in baseball that got beat up by foul tips and blocked pitches....and just carry that mind set.
But there's really no need to be doing so given there are no scouts at our games, no league standings or prizes.....and I'm 46. :lol
I hear ya. I'm a D man with precisely zero offensive capabilities. Shot blocking was my bread and butter
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I can't even be mad at this debacle tonight. The Wild are too good and too hot to beat when you're down three of your starting six defensemen.
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Big win for the B's. My brother and I need them to win one more so we can go to game 6. We have tickets and want to surprise my nephew.
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I can't even be mad at this debacle tonight. The Wild are too good and too hot to beat when you're down three of your starting six defensemen.
Yeah. Looks like the Blues are the injury sacrifice in the first round. Add in not getting the bounces and ‘puck luck’ that teams that go deep get and you’ll get a first round exit. Just no way to make much noise with missing three of your starting D.
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I can't even be mad at this debacle tonight. The Wild are too good and too hot to beat when you're down three of your starting six defensemen.
The Kings ain't fairing so hot as well so far. Getting crushed by the special teams and obviously hard to stop McDavid/Draisaitl when they get going. Plus, Mike Smith seems to be reigned in from his crazy antics when he has the puck. Could use Doughty or Arvidsson atm. Having Arvidsson could maybe just be a little enough on the offense that can turn into something big.
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I can't even be mad at this debacle tonight. The Wild are too good and too hot to beat when you're down three of your starting six defensemen.
Yeah. Looks like the Blues are the injury sacrifice in the first round. Add in not getting the bounces and ‘puck luck’ that teams that go deep get and you’ll get a first round exit. Just no way to make much noise with missing three of your starting D.
That's tough luck guys, seriously. Any team would be fucked with only 50% of their D.
Leafs hung on for a solid one-goal playoff victory ... with 2 x ENs just so that we all didn't have palpitations right up to the final buzzer. Campbell made a pair of unreal saves in the 3rd when it was 3-2 - one in particular on the PK .... a cross ice one-timer from Kuch-to-Stammer in the faceoff dot. I had already screamed out FUCK before the puck went in Campbell made the save, and I seriously... 1/2 the arena had already left their feet to cheer the goal. Check the highlights boys. I was dumbfounded.
NHL.COM has the clip - https://www.nhl.com/video/campbell-shuts-down-stamkos/t-333417390/c-11620316
The other save (which led to the PP for Tampa and the save on Stammer) is at 6:55 of the 'condensed game' video - https://www.nhl.com/video/first-round-gm3-tor--tbl/t-278313242/c-11618364
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I guess DeSmith had more than just cramps/dehydration. Out for the rest of the playoffs - core muscle surgery yesterday.
When was the last time that TWO teams were down to their 3rd string goalies in the playoffs?? Hopefully Campbell stays healthy, or the Leafs will be in that situation.
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I can't even be mad at this debacle tonight. The Wild are too good and too hot to beat when you're down three of your starting six defensemen.
Yeah. Looks like the Blues are the injury sacrifice in the first round. Add in not getting the bounces and ‘puck luck’ that teams that go deep get and you’ll get a first round exit. Just no way to make much noise with missing three of your starting D.
Nope. It is a bummer to see such a promising season end this way, with not even really having a chance due to injuries, but it is what it is. The sports gods are random and they are not fair. :lol :lol
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I guess DeSmith had more than just cramps/dehydration. Out for the rest of the playoffs - core muscle surgery yesterday.
When was the last time that TWO teams were down to their 3rd string goalies in the playoffs?? Hopefully Campbell stays healthy, or the Leafs will be in that situation.
I thought it was three, unless you don't count the Predators. They may have lucked out with Connor Ingram, since clearly Dave Rittich ain't going to get the job done against the Avs.
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I can't even be mad at this debacle tonight. The Wild are too good and too hot to beat when you're down three of your starting six defensemen.
Yeah. Looks like the Blues are the injury sacrifice in the first round. Add in not getting the bounces and ‘puck luck’ that teams that go deep get and you’ll get a first round exit. Just no way to make much noise with missing three of your starting D.
Nope. It is a bummer to see such a promising season end this way, with not even really having a chance due to injuries, but it is what it is. The sports gods are random and they are not fair. :lol :lol
Really guys??
Who is out. ?
O’Reilly?
Thomas?
Pareyko?
Perron?
Taresenko?
Faulk?
Saad?
Sorry, Nick “Norris” Leddy is not the difference between winning and losing this series.
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Bortuzzo and Krug as well.
Sorry, but when three of your starting defensemen are out, you aren't beating a team as hot as the Wild.
I also think Husso let them down last night with that 2nd goal. You cannot let that go in. As great as he has been this season for the Blues, he gave up goals on the first two shots in G2 and on two of the first three shots in G3 (or I might have that backwards). Your goalie has to be better than that at the start of games.
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Bortuzzo and Krug as well.
Sorry, but when three of your starting defensemen are out, you aren't beating a team as hot as the Wild.
You weren’t beating them with them.
Oh did you say Kruggie? Yup you’re toast. ;D
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I guess DeSmith had more than just cramps/dehydration. Out for the rest of the playoffs - core muscle surgery yesterday.
When was the last time that TWO teams were down to their 3rd string goalies in the playoffs?? Hopefully Campbell stays healthy, or the Leafs will be in that situation.
I thought it was three, unless you don't count the Predators. They may have lucked out with Connor Ingram, since clearly Dave Rittich ain't going to get the job done against the Avs.
Nope, I was counting Domingue and Ingram. Duh... I was forgetting Kochetkov.
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You weren’t beating them with them
False statement. We shut them out with our full starting D corps. Blues were 16-3-1 since Leddy came over as his presence allowed Berube to get the D lines they needed. Horrible boarding from behind takes him out.
Bortuzzo goes out blocking a shot…..which oh by the way that’s what he does. He blocks at least 5-10 shots a game and he’s physical and not to shabby a defender.
Krug quarterbacks the #1 PP in the regular season. Going to hurt big time.
Blues have man handled the Wild for the better part of three years now so yeah…..they’ve been beating them for quite some time with those guys. Losing one, you can fill in…..two, butt pucker time….three, almost impossible to overcome.
Wild have taken advantage of it and good for them. It was always going to be a toss up between these two teams when they were evenly matched. Wild should have no problem taking the series if none of those guys return.
But your statement is and was false
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Well, I was of the opinion that the Wild were going to win the series anyway.
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Well, I was of the opinion that the Wild were going to win the series anyway.
That’s fair. They’re a good team and probably the best suited to take out the AVs honestly.
Even healthy the Blues don’t have the D corps to make any type of deep run.
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Well, I was of the opinion that the Wild were going to win the series anyway.
That’s fair. They’re a good team and probably the best suited to take out the AVs honestly.
Even healthy the Blues don’t have the D corps to make any type of deep run.
I know for a team like the Blues, and the Bruins, for that matter, any injury affects the proper "slotting" of the lineup.
But geez, the way you guys were carrying on.. :lol
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Well, I was of the opinion that the Wild were going to win the series anyway.
That’s fair. They’re a good team and probably the best suited to take out the AVs honestly.
Even healthy the Blues don’t have the D corps to make any type of deep run.
I know for a team like the Blues, and the Bruins, for that matter, any injury affects the proper "slotting" of the lineup.
But geez, the way you guys were carrying on.. :lol
It’s all part of a process to prepare one’s mind for the inevitable…..so when it happens I don’t kick my dog…..I just accept it and move on.
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Yeah, I am by no means saying, "The Blues would have won the series if not for the injuries." The series was basically a pick 'em, and something like this really tilts it. The bummer is that it sounds like Krug won't return any time soon, and he is a big loss on the PP.
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Florida be Florid'g. I didn't think they were legit.
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Florida be Florid'g. I didn't think they were legit.
Neither did I, but I thought they'd get by Washington. Washington sleepwalked through the season and I was worried about them, but they have shown up for the playoffs a different team.
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I can't believe they let that goal stand against Nashville. The Avs guy clearly went skate to skate with the goalie.
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It was the Avs, so I believe it. :lol
The 5th goal was one of those WTF goals. You can't expect to win a playoff game when your goalie has his head that far up his ass. Good gracious.
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I can't believe they let that goal stand against Nashville. The Avs guy clearly went skate to skate with the goalie.
Yeah. That was bad. Clear interference
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This Rangers/Pens game is weird, wild stuff.
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I have no idea how Rick Bowness can even concentrate on the game! :omg:
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This Rangers/Pens game is weird, wild stuff.
Yeah, that was bonkers.
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Dallas was one team I would have never expected had a chance. Flames better get their heads out their asses.
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With the exception of Colorado, I felt any of the other #1 Seeds could be vulnerable.
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With the exception of Colorado, I felt any of the other #1 Seeds could be vulnerable.
Well, they might be up 3-0....and it seems like they are playing with a different mindset/confidence from the last couple of years. But..
- Kuemper's eye injury not supposed to be "serious", but he's questionable for Game 4. And even moving forward, it's difficult to know how it might affect him in the coming games.
- Francouz is a very credible backup, but initially you could see Nashville gaining more confidence when they tied it up at 2-2 in Game 3....the first goal against Francouz. Granted, Ingram looked human after a stellar 49 save showing in Game 2. But the goaltending musical chairs is not typically a good thing for any team in the playoffs.
- This core team still hasn't done it in the playoffs yet, so there's always some trepidation until they get over that hurdle of advancing past the second round. I noticed in spite of the great regular season (as they did in previous years), a lot of the predictions in this thread had them losing their second round matchup again.
- Even with Kuemper unaffected by the injury, the competition gets tougher in each round....and he has to prove he's ready for THAT as well.
So I think they are looking VERY good, but every team is vulnerable. The Kentucky Derby favorite was winning the race down the backstretch yesterday, but the 80-1 odds horse came from behind and won at the wire. :o
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Dallas was one team I would have never expected had a chance. Flames better get their heads out their asses.
All right, well, I didn't think the Flames was going to murder the Stars on the scoresheet like the Avs have done against the Predators or what the Oilers have done to the Kings. That stated, I expected a lot of suffocating, physicality, and tight low one-goal games, which is what this series has brought. Joe Pavelski just keep finding ways to score against the Flames.
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This Rangers/Pens game is weird, wild stuff.
I don’t wanna talk about it.
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Charlie McAvoy ruled out for Game 4....Covid protocols. WTF?
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Huge loss. Huge.
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Well, he's no Nick Leddy.
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Well, he's no Nick Leddy.
:lol
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WOOOOT! GAME 6 I WILL BE THERE!!!
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Worst part, I have game 6 tickets.
Fantasy!
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AliveFrailChital-max-1mb.gif)
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Seriously. After the 1st 2 games, they were outclassed. Crazy.
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Charlie McAvoy ruled out for Game 4....Covid protocols. WTF?
Huge loss. Huge.
Fuck all you guys do is complain!! :biggrin:
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The Blues outshoot the Wild 18-5 in the 1st period.
Score is 1-1.
Of course. :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Well, when you lose your #1 d man you do cry a bit.
Did you hear me cry when the Blues beat us in the SC? :lol
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That's not helping. :lol
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:lol
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That was a sick goal by Kyrou.
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As soon as the Blues went up 3-1, I thought...OK time for the refs to make their move....
...and within minutes the Wild were on a 5 on 3. :lol
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Well, when you lose your #1 d man you do cry a bit.
Did you hear me cry when the Blues beat us in the SC? :lol
Yeah, people do that when that happens.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56826.msg2874387#msg2874387
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Gritty win for the Blues. Whew.
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Gritty win for the Blues. Whew.
Perunovich and Mikkola played really good…..what a game to come back from surgery on for Perunovich. Out since January and thrown into that. He looked good.
Was glad to see Binnington not suck but I’d personally still prefer Husso right now. But I’m sure Binnington will get the next start.
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Well, when you lose your #1 d man you do cry a bit.
Did you hear me cry when the Blues beat us in the SC? :lol
Yeah, people do that when that happens.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56826.msg2874387#msg2874387
And Chad there to pile on both times. :lol
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Well, THAT was not a good first period. I guess maybe it’s better not to go up 3-1 in a series? I mean, if they couldn’t put away the Canadiens in 3 tries last year, they’d not likely be able to put away the Bolts in the same scenario.
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I’ve fuckin had it with these refs. Look, the game is already over, but 7 fucking penalties against one team in 2 periods?!?!?! Let them flicking play. This is like watching a preseason game, there’s no fucking life in it. Not terribly enjoyable always watching someone on the PP. Even the Tampa crowd is dead at this point. The Leafs had ONE game in 82 where they had 6 penalties. They’ve had 2 now out of 3 + 2 periods with more than that now.
14 fucking penalties in the Bos/Car game this afternoon.
The refs are sucking the joy out of playoff hockey.
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I’m with ya in the refs Chad. It’s pretty bad.
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I’m with ya in the refs Chad. It’s pretty bad.
8-3 were the penalties. Yeah I care that it was “my” team that had the 8, but that’s just a brutal disparity.
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Kings finally came to play tonight. Outplayed the Oilers nearly all night, and then the Oilers started playing dirty.
Either way...series all tied up.
Go Kings go!
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We get at least a game 6! This is what I really wanting out of this series and here we are. This always has been a series of adaptation and let's see which coach makes the better changes that's needed the rest of the way.
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A LOT of lopsided scores so far.
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A LOT of lopsided scores so far.
No kidding. Although, Minnesota was pouring it on the Blues yesterday in the third period from around 8 minutes to go until Perron scored the empty netter from full ice with a minute something left.....I had prepped myself for them tying it and there being an OT. It was the most nerve racking stretch of 'bend don't break' hockey I've watching in a while....
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A LOT of lopsided scores so far.
No kidding. Although, Minnesota was pouring it on the Blues yesterday in the third period from around 8 minutes to go until Perron scored the empty netter from full ice with a minute something left.....I had prepped myself for them tying it and there being an OT. It was the most nerve racking stretch of 'bend don't break' hockey I've watching in a while....
I should've put the caveat that there also seem to be a LOT of EN goals. Leafs have 2 in the series, as do the Bolts. I think Boston had one yesterday?
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A LOT of lopsided scores so far.
No kidding. Although, Minnesota was pouring it on the Blues yesterday in the third period from around 8 minutes to go until Perron scored the empty netter from full ice with a minute something left.....I had prepped myself for them tying it and there being an OT. It was the most nerve racking stretch of 'bend don't break' hockey I've watching in a while....
I should've put the caveat that there also seem to be a LOT of EN goals. Leafs have 2 in the series, as do the Bolts. I think Boston had one yesterday?
In both the Wild Wins they've had two in game two and one in game three. Blues had one yesterday.
Blues were super fortunate yesterday that Perron scored that EN from about 5 foot in front of the goal line in our end...from the corner. As I said, the Wild were coming in waves for a solid 5 minutes and it was everything to keep them on the outside and just block shots....Binnington made a handful of good saves....had they gotten set up with the goalie pulled I think they'd have tied it for sure. Perron threw a hail mary and thankfully it worked. Fleury may have been on the bench all of a couple seconds when Perron scored.
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We get at least a game 6! This is what I really wanting out of this series and here we are. This always has been a series of adaptation and let's see which coach makes the better changes that's needed the rest of the way.
This is the most Jekyll and Hyde series I can recall. Game 1 was a REALLY good game and was very even. Kings didn't show up at all in games 2 and 3 (beyond the first period of game 2). Game 4 seemed relatively similar to game 1 from a gameplay aspect, but Edmonton didn't get the bounces they got in game 1. Both teams had a lot of energy last night, and it felt like the Kings finally stood up to the heavy/borderline dirty things the Oilers were doing (68 minutes of penalties given out in the last 10 minutes of the game!).
Also, I can't stand the idiot PA operator who didn't turn the damn music off when the ref was talking after the third goal (where Kane and Edler got misconducts but we couldn't hear the ref), and the PA announcer seems awful as well.
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Well, offseason moves are being made. Barry Trotz has been fired by the Islanders and Lou Lamoriello is taking full responsibility for it.
Pierre McGuire is no longer working with the Senators in an office role, but really, would anyone note the difference (good and bad)? I say send him to ESPN. PK Subban is working in an analyst role there for the rest of the playoffs. I think they would gel well together.
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Was just coming in here to post about "Creepy" McGuire. Nobody saw that coming... and by "nobody", I mean "everybody".
Trotz, oth... I'm surprised at that. Prediction - he'll land in Detroit.
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Trotz, oth... I'm surprised at that. Prediction - he'll land in Detroit.
Ninja'd
Was going to say the same thing. I can see Yzerman luring him there....even though it's more or less a rebuild situation Detroit isn't far off from being a playoff team. Trotz would be super valuable to have coaching those kids.
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I don't get the Trotz firing. Sure the Isles missed the playoffs, but a lot of that had to do with circumstances outside their control. I think they could have rebounded to a playoff spot next season no problem. Barry will easily be re-hired in short order.
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I don't get the Trotz firing. Sure the Isles missed the playoffs, but a lot of that had to do with circumstances outside their control. I think they could have rebounded to a playoff spot next season no problem. Barry will easily be re-hired in short order.
Agreed. Most fans here in Isles country were taken by surprise.
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I don't get the Trotz firing. Sure the Isles missed the playoffs, but a lot of that had to do with circumstances outside their control. I think they could have rebounded to a playoff spot next season no problem. Barry will easily be re-hired in short order.
Agreed. Most fans here in Isles country were taken by surprise.
Lou is an enigma sometimes.
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I don't get the Trotz firing. Sure the Isles missed the playoffs, but a lot of that had to do with circumstances outside their control. I think they could have rebounded to a playoff spot next season no problem. Barry will easily be re-hired in short order.
Agreed. Most fans here in Isles country were taken by surprise.
Lou is an enigma sometimes.
Yeah. Here’s some local flavor on the move.
https://nypost.com/2022/05/09/barry-trotz-firing-is-right-out-of-lou-lamoriellos-playbook/amp/
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Pierre McGuire makes it less than a year in the Senators front office. :lol
But...
Now what if someone in TV land hires him?
(https://i.imgflip.com/6fiijd.jpg)
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Pierre McGuire makes it less than a year in the Senators front office. :lol
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/74165001/just-look-at-everyone-whos-surprised.jpg)
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I don't think anyone should be surprised with head coach firing when Lou Lamoriello is involved.
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Personally, I love me some awkward Pierre McGuire TV broadcast moments. One of my favorites was a post game interview when he asked Phil Kessel how his “breath” was.
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He never bothered me with his color commenting. I know some guys hate him here.
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I thought this was a funny moment. I think both had a valid side about the topic, but these aren't the right guys to do the debate.
Mike Milbury vs Pierre "Soccer Mom" McGuire (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8GcQXWZI_E&ab_channel=HockeyArchive)
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What kind of circus are you running when Pierre McGuire and Mike fucking Milbury are on the same broadcast together. Ridiculous
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They were both around NBC Sports for around 12 years. I don't think they were actually together that much since McGuire's role was the in-between the benches guy and Milbury was the studio "analyst."
Here's another fun Pierre McGuire moment.
Hockey gods on Pierre McGuire's side after puck flies between the benches (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwpwkSAvMhU)
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Nothing will ever top him telling Dutch that “you’re an announcer with a long stick” while giving him googlie eyes, and just a bit too far into his personal space.
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I hate the Penguins. So fucking much.
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I hate the Penguins. So fucking much.
Rangers are falling apart like a cheap pair of pants.
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Have you ever been so mad that you’re completely calm? That’s where I’m at with this Penguins game. I’d say Rangers game but they didn’t show up.
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Have you ever been so mad that you’re completely calm?
Pertaining to professional Hockey? That’s a hard no. :lol
In all seriousness though……yeah, i think we all know that feeling.
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Have you ever been so mad that you’re completely calm?
Pertaining to professional Hockey? That’s a hard no. :lol
In all seriousness though……yeah, i think we all know that feeling.
Yup. It usually manifests itself in ....if they don't fucking care, why should I?.
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Have you ever been so mad that you’re completely calm?
Pertaining to professional Hockey? That’s a hard no. :lol
Yeah, you’ve never been completely calm.
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Sullivan is a helluva coach, to get that team to do what they’re doing without Doumalin or Rakell, and with their 3rd string goalie.
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Have you ever been so mad that you’re completely calm?
Pertaining to professional Hockey? That’s a hard no. :lol
Like we don't know that. Lol
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I hate the Penguins. So fucking much.
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Have you ever been so mad that you’re completely calm?
Pertaining to professional Hockey? That’s a hard no. :lol
In all seriousness though……yeah, i think we all know that feeling.
Yup. It usually manifests itself in ....if they don't fucking care, why should I?.
For me it’s a vicious cycle, because I get really worked up about two sports (football and hockey) and two teams specifically (the Jets and Rangers) and also their rivals. With hockey starting in the middle of the football season and both teams having rivals who tend to go deep into the playoffs (the Patriots and Penguins) the only calm I get is the brief two month period between the Stanley Cup Finals and the start of the NFL regular season.
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I hate the Penguins. So fucking much.
Awesome lol
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I hate the Penguins. So fucking much.
Ya know, he kinda brought it on himself by mocking/taunting them at the end of the 3-0 win towards the end of the season after he shut them out. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/igor-shesterkin-waves-goodbye-to-penguins-after-shutout-victory/ar-AAW0OhH
You don't think the Pens remember this, and is using it as 'bulletin board' material to stay motivated to bitch-slap him?
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Isn't Shesterkin supposed to be a great goalie? He has looked like a clown show the last two games.
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Isn't Shesterkin supposed to be a great goalie? He has looked like a clown show the last two games.
This coming from a guy who's watched Binnington the past couple of years. :lol
Seems he's in a funk / case of the yips. If only Vailevsky could catch it too!
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I think Barkley is spot on with the prediction that whoever wins Leafs/Bolts tonight will win the series. I'm still predicting Tampa in 6 .... but would be thrilled to be proven wrong.
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Isn't Shesterkin supposed to be a great goalie? He has looked like a clown show the last two games.
Lack of playoff experience against a team with plenty of it. The Rangers aren’t playing well in front of him either. Some of those turnovers last night were absolutely brutal. The whole team is learning the hard way that playoff hockey is a very different animal.
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It's a game of inches.... Wash was about 3 inches from getting an EN to seal the victory, and 3-1 series lead. Instead, it's now a best of 3, and Fla has home ice adv.
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Vezina finalists just announced - Sarros, Markstrom, Shersterkin. Not terribly surprising.
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Isn't Shesterkin supposed to be a great goalie? He has looked like a clown show the last two games.
Lack of playoff experience against a team with plenty of it. The Rangers aren’t playing well in front of him either. Some of those turnovers last night were absolutely brutal. The whole team is learning the hard way that playoff hockey is a very different animal.
Yep.....and that's what makes the SC Playoffs so much fun to watch. The cream rises to the top. Some folks crumble and some step it up and a lot of times in both scenarios it's players you'd never expect
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Patrick Marleau has officially called it a career. Here's a nice lovely read from him in the Player Tribune reflecting on his career.
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/patrick-marleau-nhl-hockey-retirement-san-jose-sharks
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Isn't Shesterkin supposed to be a great goalie? He has looked like a clown show the last two games.
Lack of playoff experience against a team with plenty of it. The Rangers aren’t playing well in front of him either. Some of those turnovers last night were absolutely brutal. The whole team is learning the hard way that playoff hockey is a very different animal.
Yep.....and that's what makes the SC Playoffs so much fun to watch. The cream rises to the top. Some folks crumble and some step it up and a lot of times in both scenarios it's players you'd never expect
Technically the series isn’t over, but the Rangers look defeated. This team has a lot of young talent, and hopefully they learn from this experience. They’ll be back, and now they’ll have something to prove.
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McAvoy seen walking into PNC Canes building with a mask. Surprisingly passed the tests and playing tonight.
Covid this Sunday: Sorry Charlie
Charlie McAvoy today:
(https://i.postimg.cc/SNhvqXNj/undertaker-coffin.gif) (https://postimages.org/)
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For those that follows the Draft Lottery, here are the notables.
The Habs will pick #1
The Devils somehow moved up to pick #2 (this is the issue I have with the draft. How many bloody top 3 picks do you need in recent times before being a legit team?)
Coyotes moved down from #2 to #3.
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For those that follows the Draft Lottery, here are the notables.
The Habs will pick #1
The Devils somehow moved up to pick #2 (this is the issue I have with the draft. How many bloody top 3 picks do you need in recent times before being a legit team?)
Coyotes moved down from #2 to #3.
"Five in six years." Edmonton Oilers GM (probably).
Nice not to give a rat's tuchus about the lottery for the first time in a few years.
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Canes dominating the whole 1st period
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B's aren't doing any better in the 2nd.
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Refs are dominating the Leafs/Bolts game. 6 penalties in the 1st period. They’ve shown the players all ya gotta do is fall down, and it’ll be a penalty. 3 of the pussy-est calls I’ve seen - even for a regular season game.
Correction... 7 penalties in the first period. This is ridiculous. Let them fucking play.
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B's aren't doing any better in the 2nd.
Seems a little more pressure now. Changing up lines too.
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Unlucky goal that the Canes scored on for the B's.
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Unlucky goal that the Canes scored on for the B's.
Gee, which one? :lol
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Only one. If you only watched Tim. :lol
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What a 3rd period. What a rollercoaster of a game.
I’m counting on Barkely’s guaranteeeeeee!
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I watched the Leafs game instead. :lol
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4 penalties the rest of the game, 2 of which were basically off-setting and ended up as a 1:50 4-on-4. That was an exciting couple of periods - aided by the fact “my” team got the W.
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Blues had control of the first period until two pretty weak penalty calls resulting in two PP goals.
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That was an epic comeback by Toronto. :metal :metal
Blues good for much of the period, but a couple of PP goals, and they trail 2-1. Neither goal was his fault, but Binngington looks like a hot mess back there.
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Kaprizov is filthy.
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Kaprizov is filthy.
While this is true it’s also utter BS that if you even come close to skating in his personal space a penalty gets called on your team…..so, while yes he’s filthy it’s also horse shit that you can’t touch the dude.
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That was an epic comeback by Toronto. :metal :metal
Blues good for much of the period, but a couple of PP goals, and they trail 2-1. Neither goal was his fault, but Binngington looks like a hot mess back there.
Leafs were slapped around in the first, and Campbell made some top-shelf saves to keep the team in it, and give them time to get their shit together. 3 goals in the third against Tampa was most impressive. Vasilevsky has given up at least 3 goals in all 5 games. :omg: And an .840 save percentage tonight. :omg: :omg:
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That was an epic comeback by Toronto St Louis. :metal :metal
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Gritty road win by the Blues. Binnington was shaky in the first period but looked pretty sharp in 2 and 3. Hopefully they can get it done at home on Thursday.
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There is no two ways about it: the Blues completely pantsed the Wild in that 3rd period. They outscored them 3-0, and I am not sure it was even that close.
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That was an epic comeback by Toronto St Louis. :metal :metal
:metal
Controlled the 5v5 play. Only momentum Wild has was the two PPs they were given in first period. I’ll take it!
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Here's hoping the oil can finish off their comeback tonight. That was a doozy of a third period.
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For fuck sake...
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All right, aside from the fact that the special teams has burned the Kings in the 3rd period, thank goodness the OT was short and easy and dominated by the Kings.
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There is no two ways about it: the Blues completely pantsed the Wild in that 3rd period. They outscored them 3-0, and I am not sure it was even that close.
A truly "natural" hattie by Tarasenko - 3 straight goals on 3 shots.
Shame about the Oil. The deserved a better fate with that OT.
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Calder - Bunting, Zegras, Seider. I think the solid money is on Seider ... but I think Bunting should get serious consideration (despite his age). Some will say that "well, he played with Marner and Matthews"... to which I counter that Hyman did as well, and didn't put up the kind of numbers Bunting did.
But Seider is likely to win it.
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That Kings game was nerve wracking! For the first time in at least a few years, I got together with some friends at a bar to watch. Not particularly crowded, and only a couple other groups were interested in the game. Felt a LOT like game 1, except Edmonton seemed a bit more timid. Feeling pretty good after 2, but then the Kings special teams let us down in the 3rd. After the tying goal, we had to leave because the parking lot we used closes at 10pm. Listening to the last 4 minutes of regulation on the way home was pretty white-knuckle. It felt like the Kings were THIS close to yacking it away. Got home during the OT intermission and turned on the TV. Fortunately, I didn't have to wait long. Kings absolutely controlled the OT. First shift almost entirely in the Oilers' zone, and BOOM...Adrian Kempe absolutely schooled McDavid, Duncan "Yeah...Right...I'm One of the 100 Greatest Players in NHL History" Keith and, finally, Mike Smith. Thing of beauty.
Need to close it out tomorrow!
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Minnesota sports are jinxed (sans for The Lynx).
But that's nothing new.
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Calder - Bunting, Zegras, Seider. I think the solid money is on Seider ... but I think Bunting should get serious consideration (despite his age). Some will say that "well, he played with Marner and Matthews"... to which I counter that Hyman did as well, and didn't put up the kind of numbers Bunting did.
But Seider is likely to win it.
Seider better win it. Wings fans need some consolation after getting shafted in the draft lottery once again. :censored
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Calder - Bunting, Zegras, Seider. I think the solid money is on Seider ... but I think Bunting should get serious consideration (despite his age). Some will say that "well, he played with Marner and Matthews"... to which I counter that Hyman did as well, and didn't put up the kind of numbers Bunting did.
But Seider is likely to win it.
Seider better win it. Wings fans need some consolation after getting shafted in the draft lottery once again. :censored
Um... with all due respect. Boo-fucking-hoo. :D I think a quarter century of playoffs and cup contention doesn't leave much room for sympathy for Detroit hockey fans.
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Calder - Bunting, Zegras, Seider. I think the solid money is on Seider ... but I think Bunting should get serious consideration (despite his age). Some will say that "well, he played with Marner and Matthews"... to which I counter that Hyman did as well, and didn't put up the kind of numbers Bunting did.
But Seider is likely to win it.
Seider better win it. Wings fans need some consolation after getting shafted in the draft lottery once again. :censored
Being the team with the 8th worst record picking 8th = shafted?! Holy hell...I guess I forgot to be outraged in 2021 and 2017...to say nothing of 2019. :lol
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Darnell Nurse suspended for game 6 tomorrow. (https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/33898703/edmonton-oilers-darnell-nurse-suspended-game-6-head-butting-los-angeles-kings-phillip-danault)
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And here’s Nurse from the previous game. (https://streamable.com/pih0rf) Is Raffi Torres a special advisor for Edmonton or something? Fuckin’ A….
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Darnell Nurse suspended for game 6 tomorrow. (https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/33898703/edmonton-oilers-darnell-nurse-suspended-game-6-head-butting-los-angeles-kings-phillip-danault)
Seems about right. That was a little dirty.
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And here’s Nurse from the previous game. (https://streamable.com/pih0rf) Is Raffi Torres a special advisor for Edmonton or something? Fuckin’ A….
Nurse is becoming a marked man against the Danault line. The post-goal trip on Moore. The trip on Grundstrom (where Grundstrom really did a great job hustling to fend Nurse off before the trip) before the goal. The headbutt on Danault.
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Seider better win it. Wings fans need some consolation after getting shafted in the draft lottery once again. :censored
This is shtick, right? :lol :lol :lol
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I turned on the Pens/Rangers 40 seconds into the game, and Pittsburgh was already on a 2-man advantage. I was like, damn, what the hell happened in those first 40 seconds? :lol :lol
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I’m exhausted and there’s still one period left.
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I don't even have a rooting interest in this Pitt/NYR game, and it's giving me a heart attack. :lol
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IT’S NOT OVER YET!!! WE’RE STILL ALIVE!!!
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Not saying that I wouldn't want Matthew Tkachuk on my team, but some really needs to kick his ass.
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I am happy the Rangers won simply because I didn't want the series to end. I am a greedy sports fan. More hockey!!
And what a collapse by the Capitals.
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I am happy the Rangers won simply because I didn't want the series to end. I am a greedy sports fan. More hockey!!
That second period was bonkers!
And what a collapse by the Capitals.
Florida’s been doing this all year. No lead is sad against them.
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And in the battle of who can outstrangle the other in a tight game, round 5 goes to Flames. Let's see if the Stars pull it together for their goalie in Game 6. Otherwise, it will be a frustrating offseason for the Stars.
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Um... with all due respect. Boo-fucking-hoo. :D I think a quarter century of playoffs and cup contention doesn't leave much room for sympathy for Detroit hockey fans.
This. As a Detroit fan (who has admittedly nearly completely retreated from viewership), there's nothing to be sympathetic about. 25 years of relative success and 4 championships come at a cost; so what?
This is shtick, right? :lol :lol :lol
One would hope.
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Well, do or die tonight for the B's and I will be there with the Callahan boys.
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Well, do or die tonight for the B's and I will be there with the Callahan boys.
I'm torn Joe. I want them to win for the Princeshmegland, but it's still the Bruins.
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Don't worry, they still would have to win in Carolina. That hasn't gone well at all this series.
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I want a picture tonight!
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I want a picture tonight!
But of course!
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Bolts are going home today for sure...or rather staying home. The Leafs are ripping them up.
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Bolts are going home today for sure...or rather staying home. The Leafs are ripping them up.
Toronto needs to close it out tonight in order to avoid giving their fans that itchy feeling that comes from the Maple Leafs playing in Game 7.
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I’m so nervous for Toronto fans right now. They need and deserve this win!
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No they don't. :lol
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Man, I feel bad for the Leafs fans right now. Even if they end up winning. Just seeing this tight game go to game 7 with the Leafs history the amount of butt clenching between now and Saturday's conclusion has to be huge.
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Bolts are going home today for sure...or rather staying home. The Leafs are ripping them up.
Ok nevermind then, game 7 it is.
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I really thought Toronto was going to win that. Poor Leafs fans.
Meanwhile, the Blues game is going well so far...
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(https://i.postimg.cc/XqtHDPLf/20220512-214106.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vxLt43pT)
(https://i.postimg.cc/6Tschv6z/20220512-203603.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/wRVDq3ms)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Bn39S85x/20220512-190831.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QHfnSdyt)
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Good pics!
The Blues finish off the Wild with another ass-whipping. Wild were lucky the Blues D was decimated for a few games, otherwise this could have been over in 4 or 5. :hat :hat
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Good pics!
The Blues finish off the Wild with another ass-whipping. Wild were lucky the Blues D was decimated for a few games, otherwise this could have been over in 4 or 5. :hat :hat
Time to see if the juggernaut Colorado can be stopped or not. I hear the AVs are already on a Power Play to start the series because MacKinnon stubbed his toe at home.
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That was a tough game to lose. Other than the usual, "This power play is garbage," and "We got to find a way to limit McDavid's space when he has the puck," I can't find many faults in that game from the Kings. Oilers, obviously, wanted it more today with their backs against the wall. Hard to really tell how game 7 will go based on this series. 3 Game 7s on Saturday. Should be fun watches.
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Well, 2 days, and 60 minutes of butt-puckering is in store. It's a game of inches - just before Point's winner, Matthews slid one by Vasi about 2 inches outside the post. Tampa eeked that one out - the Leafs gift-wrapped those first two goals, with the only two turnovers of the first 2 periods. Otherwise, the Leafs were handling Tampa rather nicely. And that 5-on-3 was horseshit. The call on Kampf was a nice 'phantom' head flop by Foote - he goofed the refs nicely there. Sure, Kerfoot's was legit, but Tampa should've never been on the power play.
The Hockey Gods will either bless, or continue to punish us Leafs fans on Saturday.
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Oh... and congrats to Gary and Kev. The way the Blues are playing, it could/should be quite the series against the Avs.
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It's too bad the Wild broke the shutout in the 3rd period, otherwise the GWG would have gone to Nick Leddy, the secret sauce of the current Blues squad. :hat :hat
What is notable is that Binnington has looked like the 2019 Binnington the last few games. If he keeps this up, Blues might beat the Avs in 5 instead of 6 or 7. :biggrin: :biggrin:
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It's too bad the Wild broke the shutout in the 3rd period, otherwise the GWG would have gone to Nick Leddy, the secret sauce of the current Blues squad. :hat :hat
What is notable is that Binnington has looked like the 2019 Binnington the last few games. If he keeps this up, Blues might beat the Avs in 5 instead of 6 or 7. :biggrin: :biggrin:
I have a rule in life to "never deprive anyone of hope .... it might be all they have".
You hold on to that dream there, Kev. :tup
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Oh... and congrats to Gary and Kev. The way the Blues are playing, it could/should be quite the series against the Avs.
Thanks Chad. While I'm fully aware of how good the AVs are and that everyone and their mother already have the AVs players names etched into the cup.....I don't think they're going to steamroll the Blues in the series. It'll come down to what the Minnesota series ultimately came down to and what most SC Playoff Series come down to....Goaltending and Special Teams. If that truly is the decider then I'm more than happy with the Blues chances. Plus, the Blues have ZERO pressure on them. They're not the team that has been deemed the Cup champs for the past two seasons and come up short each time. The AVs are. They've still yet to prove or show that they're 'worth' the praise. Blues will make them earn that for sure.
Should be a fun series to watch although I'm already mad at the handful of BS PP's the AV's will undoubtedly get because MacKinnon gets touched or looked at. It won't shock me one bit for the AV's to be on a PP within the first five minutes of game one on a weak ticky tac call.
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It's too bad the Wild broke the shutout in the 3rd period, otherwise the GWG would have gone to Nick Leddy, the secret sauce of the current Blues squad. :hat :hat
Obviously the key to the series. :lol
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Oh... and congrats to Gary and Kev. The way the Blues are playing, it could/should be quite the series against the Avs.
Should be a fun series to watch although I'm already mad at the handful of BS PP's the AV's will undoubtedly get because MacKinnon gets touched or looked at. It won't shock me one bit for the AV's to be on a PP within the first five minutes of game one on a weak ticky tac call.
Pre-emptively pissed at the Blues getting screwed by the Refs. I would expect nothing less :tup :lol :lol
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Oh... and congrats to Gary and Kev. The way the Blues are playing, it could/should be quite the series against the Avs.
Should be a fun series to watch although I'm already mad at the handful of BS PP's the AV's will undoubtedly get because MacKinnon gets touched or looked at. It won't shock me one bit for the AV's to be on a PP within the first five minutes of game one on a weak ticky tac call.
Pre-emptively pissed at the Blues getting screwed by the Refs. I would expect nothing less :tup :lol :lol
I thought you and Tim would get a kick out of that :biggrin:
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Fun fact about the Blues eliminating the Wild yesterday, is that it also means the Blackhawks will only receive Minnesota's second round pick in this year's draft, rather than their first. So by eliminating the Wild, the Blues also screwed the Blackhawks. Combine that with the Seth Jones trade, and the Blackhawks could have had 2 first round picks this year. Instead, they have zero! :tup
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Oh... and congrats to Gary and Kev. The way the Blues are playing, it could/should be quite the series against the Avs.
Should be a fun series to watch although I'm already mad at the handful of BS PP's the AV's will undoubtedly get because MacKinnon gets touched or looked at. It won't shock me one bit for the AV's to be on a PP within the first five minutes of game one on a weak ticky tac call.
Sandbagging already. Wow. Nice to have a built in excuse if your team loses. That is skim milk, my friend. I think Tarasenko will get some calls.
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Oh... and congrats to Gary and Kev. The way the Blues are playing, it could/should be quite the series against the Avs.
Should be a fun series to watch although I'm already mad at the handful of BS PP's the AV's will undoubtedly get because MacKinnon gets touched or looked at. It won't shock me one bit for the AV's to be on a PP within the first five minutes of game one on a weak ticky tac call.
Sandbagging already. Wow. Nice to have a built in excuse if your team loses. That is skim milk, my friend. I think Tarasenko will get some calls.
First time reading Gary's posts? :lol
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That was a tough game to lose. Other than the usual, "This power play is garbage," and "We got to find a way to limit McDavid's space when he has the puck," I can't find many faults in that game from the Kings. Oilers, obviously, wanted it more today with their backs against the wall. Hard to really tell how game 7 will go based on this series. 3 Game 7s on Saturday. Should be fun watches.
That game was, hopefully, an aberration. The McDavid wrap-around was played well by Quick...it just found a hole. Kempe's defense on the rush was terrible, and there was another defender who gave him little more than an olay (phonetic). Kings were 1 of 4 on the PP, which isn't bad at all, and they only took one penalty. The one that was really botched was the game winner. Absolutely NO ONE looking for the trailer on the play. Barrie had WAY too much room to walk in between the circles. The thing that was weird was that they were outshot all game and seemed to have little energy. Nothing better than a game 7...unless your team lost game 6. Hoping to find a big gathering of Kings fans at a sports bar in Long Beach to watch the game on Saturday.
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Oh... and congrats to Gary and Kev. The way the Blues are playing, it could/should be quite the series against the Avs.
Should be a fun series to watch although I'm already mad at the handful of BS PP's the AV's will undoubtedly get because MacKinnon gets touched or looked at. It won't shock me one bit for the AV's to be on a PP within the first five minutes of game one on a weak ticky tac call.
Sandbagging already. Wow. Nice to have a built in excuse if your team loses. That is skim milk, my friend. I think Tarasenko will get some calls.
I actually think the Blues are going to upset the AVs and win the series.....and even if they don't, they'll give the AVs a tough battle because it's one of those two teams that are going to rep. the Western Conference in the SC. Not to diss the remaining WC teams that will move on but I don't see any of them being able to hang with either the Blues or the AVs.
But if you're trying to contest that MacKinnon doesn't receive the kit glove treatment by the NHL and refs then that's a losing battle because the evidence is out there for all to see. Tarasenko isn't a part of that realm of NHL player that you can't touch....he gets the crap beat out of him.
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Oh... and congrats to Gary and Kev. The way the Blues are playing, it could/should be quite the series against the Avs.
Should be a fun series to watch although I'm already mad at the handful of BS PP's the AV's will undoubtedly get because MacKinnon gets touched or looked at. It won't shock me one bit for the AV's to be on a PP within the first five minutes of game one on a weak ticky tac call.
Sandbagging already. Wow. Nice to have a built in excuse if your team loses. That is skim milk, my friend. I think Tarasenko will get some calls.
First time reading Gary's posts? :lol
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Oh... and congrats to Gary and Kev. The way the Blues are playing, it could/should be quite the series against the Avs.
Should be a fun series to watch although I'm already mad at the handful of BS PP's the AV's will undoubtedly get because MacKinnon gets touched or looked at. It won't shock me one bit for the AV's to be on a PP within the first five minutes of game one on a weak ticky tac call.
Sandbagging already. Wow. Nice to have a built in excuse if your team loses. That is skim milk, my friend. I think Tarasenko will get some calls.
First time reading Gary's posts? :lol
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Oh... and congrats to Gary and Kev. The way the Blues are playing, it could/should be quite the series against the Avs.
Should be a fun series to watch although I'm already mad at the handful of BS PP's the AV's will undoubtedly get because MacKinnon gets touched or looked at. It won't shock me one bit for the AV's to be on a PP within the first five minutes of game one on a weak ticky tac call.
Sandbagging already. Wow. Nice to have a built in excuse if your team loses. That is skim milk, my friend. I think Tarasenko will get some calls.
First time reading Gary's posts? :lol
I read without correlation to the poster, I suppose. I have seen some comments of that ilk before.....but didn't know there was a reputation that preceded! I will pay more attention as the playoffs, and esp. this series, moves forward. :laugh:
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Oh... and congrats to Gary and Kev. The way the Blues are playing, it could/should be quite the series against the Avs.
Should be a fun series to watch although I'm already mad at the handful of BS PP's the AV's will undoubtedly get because MacKinnon gets touched or looked at. It won't shock me one bit for the AV's to be on a PP within the first five minutes of game one on a weak ticky tac call.
Sandbagging already. Wow. Nice to have a built in excuse if your team loses. That is skim milk, my friend. I think Tarasenko will get some calls.
First time reading Gary's posts? :lol
I read without correlation to the poster, I suppose. I have seen some comments of that ilk before.....but didn't know there was a reputation that preceded! I will pay more attention as the playoffs, and esp. this series, moves forward. :laugh:
Just note, it's not a reflection of you or the team you follow. That sort of stuff happens as well when the Blues/Bruins or Blues/Sharks clash.
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Oh... and congrats to Gary and Kev. The way the Blues are playing, it could/should be quite the series against the Avs.
Should be a fun series to watch although I'm already mad at the handful of BS PP's the AV's will undoubtedly get because MacKinnon gets touched or looked at. It won't shock me one bit for the AV's to be on a PP within the first five minutes of game one on a weak ticky tac call.
Sandbagging already. Wow. Nice to have a built in excuse if your team loses. That is skim milk, my friend. I think Tarasenko will get some calls.
First time reading Gary's posts? :lol
I read without correlation to the poster, I suppose. I have seen some comments of that ilk before.....but didn't know there was a reputation that preceded! I will pay more attention as the playoffs, and esp. this series, moves forward. :laugh:
It’s too bad that the original hosting site of my linked pics is gone or I’m sure Chad could link the great middle finger post of an ousted Blues team from I believe 2014.
I will give you one hundred different reasons why the Blues lose or get screwed before admitting any wrongdoing on their part. It’s all a conspiracy against St. Louis.
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That was in my top 2 greatest 'rage-post' of all-time here at DTF.
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We love how much Gary bleeds Blues blue.
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Oh... and congrats to Gary and Kev. The way the Blues are playing, it could/should be quite the series against the Avs.
Should be a fun series to watch although I'm already mad at the handful of BS PP's the AV's will undoubtedly get because MacKinnon gets touched or looked at. It won't shock me one bit for the AV's to be on a PP within the first five minutes of game one on a weak ticky tac call.
Sandbagging already. Wow. Nice to have a built in excuse if your team loses. That is skim milk, my friend. I think Tarasenko will get some calls.
First time reading Gary's posts? :lol
I read without correlation to the poster, I suppose. I have seen some comments of that ilk before.....but didn't know there was a reputation that preceded! I will pay more attention as the playoffs, and esp. this series, moves forward. :laugh:
It’s too bad that the original hosting site of my linked pics is gone or I’m sure Chad could link the great middle finger post of an ousted Blues team from I believe 2014.
I will give you one hundred different reasons why the Blues lose or get screwed before admitting any wrongdoing on their part. It’s all a conspiracy against St. Louis.
That is my all time favorite post on these forums.
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I might have a moment like this twice this weekend with thr Bruins & Celtics. Lol
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My hope is always, win or lose, that the officiating does not decide games. I still have never watched highlights of Game 3 of the 2019 WCF because that might the angriest I have ever been after a sporting event (when the Sharks won in OT due to an illegal hand pass that somehow none of the 4 on-ice officials saw).
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It doesn’t look good after one period. The defense isn’t playing well. The bounces aren’t going our way. The calls aren’t going our way. There’s still plenty of game left but I just have this feeling that the season ends here.
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Two periods done. Rangers are back in it and even had the lead but of course Malkin had to tie it up. I’m gonna vomit from the stress.
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Wow. What a weird goal!
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THEY FUCKING WON!!!!! GAME SEVEN AT MSG!!!!!
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WOOOOOTTTT!!
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And the Eastern Conference has its first series final.
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YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS.
Florida Panthers are onto round two, but of course my main interest is in Giroux.
Some Flyers fans questioned his leadership, despite how many times he carried teams on his back, and he went to Florida, played all around their lineup and showed exactly what he's capable of.
Lots of other fans questioned his ability to play in the playoffs, and now with a team that can elevate with him he continues to impress. Game winner, followed by a game with a huge goal and assist, followed by a series win with yet another huge goal and an assist.
And all while being a PPG player the entire tenure in South Florida.
Fuck the haters, I hope Giroux gets his cup to finally get mentioned alongside your Kanes, Ginos, Backstroms, etc. Guy should absolutely be a first ballot hall of famer who has had that obscured by playing for mediocre Flyers teams for over a decade.
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I love Giroux (a family name BTW), but he ain't getting a Cup this year.
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I can't in good conscience root for Florida because of how lame their crowds are.
It was Wednesday when Game 5s of both Wash at Fla and Pitt at NYR were going, and I was flipping back and forth, and it was stunning the difference in crowd noise. Every time I had the Rangers game on, the NY crowd was loud, and it gave the game an electric feel. Turning over to the game in Florida was like I also kicked the volume down on the TV like 20 notches. The crowd was meek and quiet. Even after they scored, it took about a minute for the crowd to get quiet again like they were at Sunday church. Lame.
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Well, I CAN, in good conscience, root against Washington!
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Bruins not playing with enough intensity/desperation. Feels like the entire 1st period has been played in their end.
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I thought both teams played with a lot of energy in that 1st period. This double minor that carries over into the 2nd period is obviously huge.
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Except the Bruins spent their energy defending. Can't score from your own end.
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Not unless Chris Osgood is in net on the other side, and he ain't coming back.
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This ESPN crew is not very good.
Steve Levy is terrible at hockey. "There wasn't much going on for the first 19 minutes." Right, because in hockey, no scoring means nothing is happening. Idiot.
And the off-ice reporter Emily Kaplan is about a -4 on the excitement level on a scale of 0 to 10. She sounds like she'd rather be anywhere else.
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Pasta is a fucking disaster on skates. If he was a waiter, he'd drop every tray he was given.
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Ok, when is the draft, which we'll undoubtably fuck up.
Also, who's the Captain next year? Marchand? McAvoy?
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I love Giroux (a family name BTW), but he ain't getting a Cup this year.
Well, I'd say at the moment it's looking like he at least has a much better chance than the Bruins. :D
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Well, I CAN, in good conscience, root against Washington!
Ditto.
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I love Giroux (a family name BTW), but he ain't getting a Cup this year.
Well, I'd say at the moment it's looking like he at least has a much better chance than the Bruins. :D
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Feel for ya Chad. That was brutal.
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Wow, I feel bad for the Leafs. They had the toughest draw in the Eastern Conference. Tampa slept walked through that season.
I had the Leafs in the Finals this year.
So far of the 4 series completed, I am 1-3 in my picks! :facepalm: :lol
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That was pretty brutal for them. Tampa Bay did a great job shutting down the Leafs when it mattered in the 3rd, which seems to be a solid trend given their last couple of series-clinching games.
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So far of the 4 series completed, I am 1-3 in my picks! :facepalm: :lol
That's what you get for doubting Nick Leddy.
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I mean, at this point, I don't know what the heck you can do for the Leafs' offseason to get a playoff series win.
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Well, I think they would've beaten everyone other than the Lightning, but if they're gonna take the next step, it's the Lightning they had to get past.
So, was it better to play them in the first round, with home ice, or the second round? The Leafs better win the Division next year.
We may be asking the same of the Oilers in a few hours. Though I'd argue that the Kings are NOT the Lightning.
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I mean, at this point, I don't know what the heck you can do for the Leafs' offseason to get a playoff series win.
I don't think they need to do anything. Leafs easily could have, maybe even should have, won that series. They could roll that same roster into next season, and i think leaf's fans would be fine with that. Tampa is still a top flight team, and undisputed winners of the covid seasons.
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I mean, at this point, I don't know what the heck you can do for the Leafs' offseason to get a playoff series win.
I don't think they need to do anything. Leafs easily could have, maybe even should have, won that series. They could roll that same roster into next season, and i think leaf's fans would be fine with that. Tampa is still a top flight team, and undisputed winners of the covid seasons.
Yep. Maybe tinker a bit…..not sure Campbell is the answer in goal BUT he did play well. A bounce here or there and they win that game and this isn’t a conversation. I think TBs experience was the difference in that game.
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I was impressed with Morgan Reilly. He's really grown his game.
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First ... the Bolts were the better team tonight. Leafs had 73 shot attempts, but only 31 made it to the net - most of those non-shots were blocks - probably 30+. The Leafs will regret laying a turd in Game 4, and not closing out game 6.
Second ... Vasilevsky finally played like the best goalie in the world, and stole a game. He also had the hockey Gods on his side, with a THIRD save in the series via the shaft of his stick. It's a game of inches, and any one of those three go in, and the Leafs likely take the series.
Third ... nice of the refs to let them play tonight - only 5 penalties (3 against TB; 2 against Leafs). However, what wasn't nice was them giving TB a 5-on-3 in the 3rd of Game 6 that produced the game-tying goal. When TB committed a blatantly obvious trip on Nylander while on their 3rd period PK tonight - right in front of the ref no less - no call. That could've made as big difference in the game tonight as it did for TB on Thursday.
I do hope they sign Campbell... they can probably get him for about $4m AAV for 3-4 years. I also hope they can re-sign Gio for something around the $4M range as well. As for what else they can/need to do ... how do you improve on a team that had the #1PP in the league, your core young players had career years, and were 4th overall in the league. Tough draw to get the Bolts.
Really not sure what the rest of the answers are. But when you're team is 0-10 in series clinching games in the past 5 years, something's gotta give.
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I know the Leafs choking in the playoffs has become a meme, but you gotta feel for Toronto fans.
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As a Flyers fan I have a hard time feeling bad for anyone right now, but year, I do feel for Chad and other Leafs fans. Don't know what the answer is or what you possibly do at this point.
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Happy for McDavid and all but detest the fact that Evander Kane is getting to experience this. Such a POS human being.
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Such a POS.
Here's hoping Dallas can take care of the Flames. As fun as a battle of alberta would be, I think the Stars are an easier path to the WCF
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Such a POS.
Here's hoping Dallas can take care of the Flames. As fun as a battle of alberta would be, I think the Stars are an easier path to the WCF
Happy for you and those guys who’ve been fighting for the Oil for years now…..tough to be happy for Kane though.
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Such a POS.
Here's hoping Dallas can take care of the Flames. As fun as a battle of alberta would be, I think the Stars are an easier path to the WCF
McDavid is your god and I know everyone knows that. His goal that clinched it was the stuff that champions do when they want to win. The Kings ran out of gas, offensively, in the last two games. Just couldn't get anything going. Hopefully, they can be back here next season with Doughty and Arvidsson healthy. The youth gets better and make good decisions.
All right, offseason time. Well, they got to extend Mikey Anderson and Kempe and maybe Grundström. Durzi, in most scenarios, I would say yes, extend the guy, but man they got a huge logjam on RD that I don't know how they can approach it. Also, get a good veteran LD and as always, the search for a top-six winger that can finish is always the eternal quest.
Also, get a new PP assistant coach. I just can't believe the entire coaching staff sees this power play do the same things over again that's detrimental to the success and can't make good adjustments. I feel like the players, even though they aren't great killers, should be better than what we saw there.
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Happy for McDavid and all but detest the fact that Evander Kane is getting to experience this. Such a POS human being.
This is my take as well. I could only stay awake for two periods last night, but was watching and hoping the Oilers would win, but also thinking, "F Evander Kane, though." :lol :lol
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McDavid gets his team through.
Matthews doesn’t.
Although if the Leafs played the Kings and the Oilers played the lightning, neither series would’ve gone seven, and Matthews would’ve been the one standing.
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I'm not really quite sure about that. The two-game series, this season, between Kings/Leafs were split where both games ended in blowouts. Danault, from what I read, was quite the obstacle in the Leafs/Habs series last year, and he would have done the same thing. The Kings would have gotten their heads caved in more against the Leafs' PP though.
The Bolts have better everything, so I will concede that they would have gotten through the Oilers in a rather more smooth fashion.
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I’m fully prepared for a letdown tonight. This team has broken my heart too many times for me to expect anything less than disappointment.
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I'm not really quite sure about that. The two-game series, this season, between Kings/Leafs were split where both games ended in blowouts. Danault, from what I read, was quite the obstacle in the Leafs/Habs series last year, and he would have done the same thing. The Kings would have gotten their heads caved in more against the Leafs' PP though.
The Bolts have better everything, so I will concede that they would have gotten through the Oilers in a rather more smooth fashion.
We'll agree to disagree. The 5-1 Kings win was early in the season, and a blip game in an otherwise strong run of games where (iirc), they won 8 of 9 or something like that. Plus, 1st half Marner was a shell of 2nd half Marner (he was 95th in the league in scoring on Jan 1). Add in their trade deadline enhancements, and I think the Leafs walk all over the Kings - Danault or not. This Leafs team was different mentally than last years.
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I don't think the Leafs can afford to stand pat taking the "well, we lost to the defending Stanley Cup champs and would have beaten just about anyone else" attitude. Consider that the last time the franchise won a playoff series, W. was still in his first term as president of the U.S. What they have been doing is not working in the postseason. Time for fresh tactics.
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I don't think the Leafs can afford to stand pat taking the "well, we lost to the defending Stanley Cup champs and would have beaten just about anyone else" attitude. Consider that the last time the franchise won a playoff series, W. was still in his first term as president of the U.S. What they have been doing is not working in the postseason. Time for fresh tactics.
It’s not the players….it’s attitude and approach. Listen, they could have just as easily won that game last night and had Vasilevsky played the way he played in the other six games they would have. He showed up like the true best goalie in the world last night and that was the difference. So, the conversation could be completely different this morning had the Leafs won saying ‘this is the perfect group’ or whatever.
Personally I think Matthew’s crapped the bed a bit….especially last night and especially in the final few minutes, he looked scared more than a top tier player ‘wanting’ the puck to do damage. Unlike McDavid who chose to will his team to victory.
All the Leafs need is the right Coach to implement a culture and system. They thought they had it with Babcock but I think he is/was EXTREMLEY over hyped and they’ve struggled since to get a true leader in there to change that culture. I think that’s the move to make…..you need a Sutter or Berube style coach who can tear down what’s been going on and build up a fresh new environment
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I don't think the Leafs can afford to stand pat taking the "well, we lost to the defending Stanley Cup champs and would have beaten just about anyone else" attitude. Consider that the last time the franchise won a playoff series, W. was still in his first term as president of the U.S. What they have been doing is not working in the postseason. Time for fresh tactics.
It’s not the players….it’s attitude and approach. Listen, they could have just as easily won that game last night and had Vasilevsky played the way he played in the other six games they would have. He showed up like the true best goalie in the world last night and that was the difference. So, the conversation could be completely different this morning had the Leafs won saying ‘this is the perfect group’ or whatever.
Personally I think Matthew’s crapped the bed a bit….especially last night and especially in the final few minutes, he looked scared more than a top tier player ‘wanting’ the puck to do damage. Unlike McDavid who chose to will his team to victory.
All the Leafs need is the right Coach to implement a culture and system. They thought they had it with Babcock but I think he is/was EXTREMLEY over hyped and they’ve struggled since to get a true leader in there to change that culture. I think that’s the move to make…..you need a Sutter or Berube style coach who can tear down what’s been going on and build up a fresh new environment
Agreed. While their drought is obviously way shorter, they reminded me of the Cubs last night. The minute they fell behind, the crowd got nervously silent (just like the Cubs crowds did in the playoffs for years once they fell behind) and the players seemed to tighten up knowing the pressure that was on because of the much-talked about drought. Take that play at the end of the 2nd period. It wouldn't have counted because the puck was shot right as the clock was hitting :00, but the Leafs shooter had a pretty big open net and hit the side of the net. There were tons of plays in the 3rd where a pass or a shot was just slightly off, and it just looked like the players were playing scared. Just like it took a Joe Maddon in baseball to get the Cubs over the hump, it feels like the Leafs need the right coach to get an attitude in the team to where they won't play scared when it matters. My brother and I had talked about this series a few days ago and I said (before G6), "the Leafs better win Game 6, because if it gets to a Game 7 at home with all of that pressure, you know they will find a way to lose it." And, bingo.
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The Leafs played the best they've played this season in ages. The coach isn't the problem. I maintain they'd have easily beaten any other team in the conference.
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The Leafs played the best they've played this season in ages. The coach isn't the problem. I maintain they'd have easily beaten any other team in the conference.
I don’t disagree. The ‘x’ factor may have well just been the experience of TB in big game situations like that.
My only point was that if you’re looking to change the mojo or whatever it is that’s causing the Leafs to come up short in these series and game 7’s then the coach is the simplest way. Especially since the players had such great success together. The right coach could get them over the hump.
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The Leafs played the best they've played this season in ages. The coach isn't the problem. I maintain they'd have easily beaten any other team in the conference.
I don’t disagree. The ‘x’ factor may have well just been the experience of TB in big game situations like that.
My only point was that if you’re looking to change the mojo or whatever it is that’s causing the Leafs to come up short in these series and game 7’s then the coach is the simplest way. Especially since the players had such great success together. The right coach could get them over the hump.
Yeah, but I think the Lightning was the problem, not the Leafs. Game 7s are games of inches.
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Amazing how every "goal or no goal" close call in this series that gets reviewed goes Pittsburgh's way. That looked to be above the crossbar, yet they call it a goal. Unreal.
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Amazing how every "goal or no goal" close call in this series that gets reviewed goes Pittsburgh's way. That looked to be above the crossbar, yet they call it a goal. Unreal.
I haven’t screamed at my television like that in a while. The refs have been the best players on the Penguins for years now.
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Amazing how every "goal or no goal" close call in this series that gets reviewed goes Pittsburgh's way. That looked to be above the crossbar, yet they call it a goal. Unreal.
It was called a goal on the ice. I think that had more to do with it, rather than who scored it.
Cut the shit. :lol
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Amazing how every "goal or no goal" close call in this series that gets reviewed goes Pittsburgh's way. That looked to be above the crossbar, yet they call it a goal. Unreal.
It was called a goal on the ice. I think that had more to do with it, rather than who scored it.
Cut the shit. :lol
And it shouldn’t have been.
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I'll fire off my thoughts on the Leafs in a day or so, once the emotion of the same result 6 years straight, 4 straight Game 7s (or a Game 5 in the case of the play-in year), and 10 straight series clinching games wears off.
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Personally, I thought the stick looked high. But what a great play, kicking the puck in the air like that!
I feel like whatever they called on the ice was going to stand though.
I'll fire off my thoughts on the Leafs in a day or so, once the emotion of the same result 6 years straight, 4 straight Game 7s (or a Game 5 in the case of the play-in year), and 10 straight series clinching games wears off.
Your poor kids have never seen them win a playoff series.
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Amazing how every "goal or no goal" close call in this series that gets reviewed goes Pittsburgh's way. That looked to be above the crossbar, yet they call it a goal. Unreal.
It was called a goal on the ice. I think that had more to do with it, rather than who scored it.
Cut the shit. :lol
No shit involved. I am about the last person to stick up for a NY team, but the Rangers have gotten the short end of the stick on every goal this series that had to be reviewed.
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A conspiracy obviously.
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Overtime. Why did it have to be overtime?
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Pulling for the Rangers.
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Pulling for the Rangers.
A Boston fan pulling for New York? What the hell is going on? (I was pulling for the Bruins yesterday FWIW)
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You want teams that haven't been there to "be" there. Rangers do not upset me like other teams. I hope they advance.
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My heart is racing like never before, but I’m so goddamn happy right now. I love this sport. I love this team.
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My heart is racing like never before, but I’m so goddamn happy right now. I love this sport. I love this team.
The exact opposite of me 24 hours ago. :lol :|
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Yup but the Rangers are a team I can back
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Rangers win it. What a thriller.
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My heart is racing like never before, but I’m so goddamn happy right now. I love this sport. I love this team.
The exact opposite of me 24 hours ago. :lol :|
I feel for you Toronto fans, especially this year. The Maple Leafs played elite hockey for seven games, but got very unlucky with the playoff seeding and drew the two time defending champs. They would have probably beaten anyone else in the East besides Florida and maybe Carolina.
Yup but the Rangers are a team I can back
This year’s Rangers squad is really fun to watch.
Rangers win it. What a thriller.
No kidding. I had to sit down for two minutes and do some deep breathing afterwards to calm myself down.
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Jebus cripes. This Stars/Flames series has gone to OT for the first time this series. Jake Oettinger has stopped 50+ shots while the Stars can barely muster over 20 shots on goal. I feel like everyone at this point seemed to be gassed out from either side.
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Jebus cripes. This Stars/Flames series has gone to OT for the first time this series. Jake Oettinger has stopped 50+ shots while the Stars can barely muster over 20 shots on goal. I feel like everyone at this point seemed to be gassed out from either side.
Stars hit the post twice in the third period also. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Stars pull this off
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Holy shit, this game is absolutely insane!!!
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I feel bad for Ottenger (spelling?) he was a freaking machine. I was hoping Dallas would win it just due to how great he was playing. But, the Flames are a better team and will make a better series with the Oilers. But man…..that goalie was on a one man mission.
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Holy crap. 60 saves on the Flames and the Stars couldn't pull through for Oettinger. Gaudreau got the game-winner. Picture perfect shot to seal the deal. At least, Gaudreau and McDavid delivered in Game 7s when their respective teams needed it.
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Holy crap. 60 saves on the Flames and the Stars couldn't pull through for Oettinger. Gaudreau got the game-winner. Picture perfect shot to seal the deal. At least, Gaudreau and McDavid delivered in Game 7s when their respective teams needed it.
And his GW goal came off another unreal save moments before. Dallas started OT playing better than the Flames but that soft penalty call on Dallas change the momentum. After that….. it was all Calgary and a matter of time before one went in.
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That OT was some of the most amazing hockey. It's nice to watch the game for the enjoyment of the game.
IThey would have probably beaten anyone else in the East besides Florida and maybe Carolina.
So basically, every team that had a worse regular season record. :rollin I think they could've taken Carolina.
Florida? I dunno. I still have trouble believing they're for real, or if they just keep pulling Ws out of their asses - especially how much they come from behind. Old-team Washington was a couple of inches from pushing them to a 3-1 series deficit, and an OT away from a 7th game.
In the end, Tampa won because Vasi finally played like the best goalie in the world for one game.
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Couple stats from last night's Flames/Stars broadcast... the Flames out-shot the Stars by 141 for the series. That's an average of 20 shots per game. Also, they had 125+ shot attempts last night. If that kid can keep that kind of skill on display, he'll be fightin with Igor for the title of best goalie for a while. But, as St. Louis fans know, one amazing playoff year/series does not make a stellar goaltending career - even if Binnington is playing great right now.
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Florida? I dunno. I still have trouble believing they're for real
Same. They don't feel or play like a threatening team.....like, there's no fear that your team can't take them in 6 games. Honestly, Colorado and TB are the only remaining teams that have that 'fear' factor. The rest are teams that 'seem' pretty beatable.
In the end, Tampa won because Vasi finally played like the best goalie in the world for one game.
Yep.....and that was always the 'X' factor should that series go to game 7....the way he plays in crunch time.
even if Binnington is playing great right now.
For the record.....he's not playing 'great' right now. He's merely making the saves a goalie 'should' make. Big difference. But, to the media in St. Louis the fact that he's just playing like a goalie should some how has turned into him 'being back' or some crap like that. I'd start Husso vs Colorado over Binnington if it were me. He's more technically sound that Binnington and IMO gives the Blues a better shot at beating Colorado. Hope to be proven wrong by Binnington.....we shall see....
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Same. They don't feel or play like a threatening team.....like, there's no fear that your team can't take them in 6 games. Honestly, Colorado and TB are the only remaining teams that have that 'fear' factor. The rest are teams that 'seem' pretty beatable.
That's a pretty fair assessment. In the end, any of the remaining teams could probably win the cup. But the rest aren't scaring anybody. The Oil played the Avs very tight this season, but I still wouldn't give them much hope in a 7 game series. Good luck, St. Louis. You'll likely need it.
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Same. They don't feel or play like a threatening team.....like, there's no fear that your team can't take them in 6 games. Honestly, Colorado and TB are the only remaining teams that have that 'fear' factor. The rest are teams that 'seem' pretty beatable.
That's a pretty fair assessment. In the end, any of the remaining teams could probably win the cup. But the rest aren't scaring anybody. The Oil played the Avs very tight this season, but I still wouldn't give them much hope in a 7 game series. Good luck, St. Louis. You'll likely need it.
Yeah….they’ll need it. I think this is the year for the AVs to play deep. They’re just a really good team. But, you have to play the games and I think StL will make them earn it. Best thing is I have zero expectation for the Blues to win the series so ‘if’ they pull it off it’ll be awesome…..but I’m not geared up thinking the Blues ‘should’ win it.
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Shocker....
https://www.yahoo.com/news/golden-knights-fire-peter-deboer-162333996.html
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Otter was absolutely ridiculous in that game. My natural inclination was to root for the Flames (Canadian team with (at least) three ex-Kings), but man...Otter was an absolute stud in that game!
My rooting interest in the second round:
Calgary over Edmonton (hopefully in four shutouts)
St. Louis over Colorado
Florida over Tampa Bay (this might be the most likely series to go 7 games)
New York over Carolina (this is the one where I feel least strongly...I wouldn't be at all bothered if Carolina won)
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Shocker....
https://www.yahoo.com/news/golden-knights-fire-peter-deboer-162333996.html
Good. That coach never seems to have a good vibe when the cameras show him on the bench.
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Why Vegas brought in DeBoer will always be a mystery to me.
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Why Vegas brought in DeBoer will always be a mystery to me.
Seriously. It's not like it was a secret as to his inefficiencies....or that he was some grand master coach. Never made sense. And, if you're a coach out there now looking for a job do you really want to go take that one? Talk about a toxic work environment.
Good. That coach never seems to have a good vibe when the cameras show him on the bench.
He's a whiney baby....never have liked the guy. He's worse than I am when it comes to complaining about....well...anything that goes against his team. His press conferences are brutal. When the Blues beat the crap out of his Sharks team en route to winning the Cup never once did he credit the Blues for playing well and owning them....it was always some excuse or this or that. Total DB
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I mean I’m happy Vegas got rid of Gallant for DeBoer. I think that was a great decision. :biggrin:
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I mean I’m happy Vegas got rid of Gallant for DeBoer. I think that was a great decision. :biggrin:
NYR success just makes that firing, which was ridiculous at the time, even more absurd. Hopefully this is the start of a downward spiral for Vegas
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I mean I’m happy Vegas got rid of Gallant for DeBoer. I think that was a great decision. :biggrin:
NYR success just makes that firing, which was ridiculous at the time, even more absurd. Hopefully this is the start of a downward spiral for Vegas
I remember pulling hard for Vegas in their first season, as did a lot of people, but they’re a toxic organization now.
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I mean I’m happy Vegas got rid of Gallant for DeBoer. I think that was a great decision. :biggrin:
NYR success just makes that firing, which was ridiculous at the time, even more absurd. Hopefully this is the start of a downward spiral for Vegas
I remember pulling hard for Vegas in their first season, as did a lot of people, but they’re a toxic organization now.
That's funny ... I remember hating them with a passion. Ironically, I don't hate them as much now... but I'm not bothered at all that they're facing the kind of adversity every franchise has to go through - albeit 4 years late.
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Holy shit... Mitch Marner was car-jacked at gunpoint last night.
https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/33932412/toronto-maple-leafs-mitchell-marner-victim-carjacking
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Holy shit... Mitch Marner was car-jacked at gunpoint last night.
https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/33932412/toronto-maple-leafs-mitchell-marner-victim-carjacking
Wait....Canadians have guns?
But seriously....that is freaking scary! Glad he was unharmed, it's only a vehicle.
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Holy shit... Mitch Marner was car-jacked at gunpoint last night.
https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/33932412/toronto-maple-leafs-mitchell-marner-victim-carjacking
Quite topical. I read an article from CTV yesterday that violent car jackings are on the rise in Ontario, and specifically in the York region. Wild.
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Blues had no business even being in OT. But I’ll take Binnington playing the way he did. Wow! Would have been nice to steal that game but just didn’t have it.
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I hate to say it, but the Blues looked completely overmatched for much of that game. I know the Avs are good, and their speed is definitely scary, but are they so much better than the Blues should look that overmatched? Nah. They need a lot better overall performance tomorrow, as you cannot expect Binnington to stand on his head like that every night.
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I hate to say it, but the Blues looked completely overmatched for much of that game. I know the Avs are good, and their speed is definitely scary, but are they so much better than the Blues should look that overmatched? Nah. They need a lot better overall performance tomorrow, as you cannot expect Binnington to stand on his head like that every night.
Yeah....they're good but that was silly. The sports talk shows were talking about the altitude leading into that game and that it could play a factor but the bottom line is that the AV's were putting on a skills clinic and the Blues were the practice cones. I think Berube will get them ready to respond....I don't think the sky is falling just yet.....but not stealing that game in OT places a very high importance on Game 2. It's essentially a must win now....because I have little doubt that the AVs can come into St. Louis and split....so, you can't go back to Colorado for Game 5 down 3-1. You're not going to rattle off three wins in a row against that AV's team.
Bottom line is....the AV's look pretty freaking legit at this point....and after years of them being coronated as 'the' team to beat....this may be their year. Just so many weapons and they're freaking lightning fast.
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Speaking as a fan of the sport and setting aside my Blues fandom for a moment, I will say that if the Avs do make it to the finals, I want to see Colorado vs Tampa Bay. That would be epic.
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Speaking as a fan of the sport and setting aside my Blues fandom for a moment, I will say that if the Avs do make it to the finals, I want to see Colorado vs Tampa Bay. That would be epic.
I can’t think of a WORSE final two among all the teams left. From the West, St. Louis is my second favorite team in the league while Edmonton and Calgary are the only Canadian teams I actually like, and from the East, besides the Rangers who are obviously my favorite hockey team the only team left I’d root for is Florida. I don’t like Carolina but I’d still take them over Tampa.
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The Rangers took their foot off the gas in the third and overtime, and it cost them.
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I don't know what the Rangers were doing in the last part of the 3rd period, but Carolina had a handful of odd man rushes and/or partial breakaways, where they were just begging the Hurricanes to tie the game.
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I don't know what the Rangers were doing in the last part of the 3rd period, but Carolina had a handful of odd man rushes and/or partial breakaways, where they were just begging the Hurricanes to tie the game.
The lack of intensity in the third was similar to the lack of intensity in the beginning of the Penguins series. They’re a young team still growing, but I was hoping they learned their lesson about keeping the intensity level up in the playoffs, especially since Carolina is a far better team than Pittsburgh.
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Calgary on pace for 12 goals at the halfway point. :lol
Edit: And a few moments after I post another Edmonton goal, on pace for a 12-6 finish!
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It's somehow 6-5 Flames. At some point, I think it was 6-3 Flames.
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It was 6-2 at one point. This series isn’t shaping up to be a good one for the goalies.
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ESPN exec, at some point, apparently: Do we have the power to put all the defense in one game and all the offense in the other?
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I don't care who wins, I just want this game to end with two teams who have both scored at least 10 goals.
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I bailed at 5-1. What in the actual fuq happened??? 15 fucking goals!?!?!? Isn't 9 literally more than Calgary got all series against Dallas??
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Still feels weird to me that we have a good team here in Carolina. We got really lucky last night though. The Rangers were clearly the better team through two periods, and we only got to overtime because they missed a wide open net. I hope we play better going forward!
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I was texting with a friend while watching the Calgary/Edmonton game. I suggesting it was a throwback to the '80s or early '90s and reminded her that the scores of the '93 Smythe semis between the Kings and Flames were
6-3
4-9
2-5
3-1
9-4
9-6
THREE of six games where the winning team had NINE goals!
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Bolts winning two games already against Panthers away with the Panthers not providing much scoring. That's a pretty huge sign of concern. Have to steal at least two away in Tampa to get close to thinking about a 3rd round possibility. Tough road ahead for them to do that.
Edit: Just saw the highlights now. The winning goal was in the dying seconds of the 3rd??? That could be the nail for this series.
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That was a crazy goal in the end by Tampa right in the dying end of the game. I think there were <5 secs left on the clock.
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Yeah, that was highly demoralizing, even to a bandwagon Panthers fan.
Panthers absolutely need to win the next game or they are toast. No way anyone is coming back from 0-3 against the Lightning, I mean, this isn't the Sharks or Bruins we're talking about.
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Nick. That happened once to the B's. Come on now. Lol
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He literally said..
I mean, this isn't the Sharks or Bruins we're talking about.
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Fantastic win by the Blues. Outside of that extremely weak penalty call (touched MacKinnon) Colorado had nothing going. Blues controlled the whole game. Love it.
I just like that they didn’t roll over in the face of being outplayed in game one. Just proved to Colorado they’re going to have to earn this series if they want it.
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Fantastic win by the Blues. Outside of that extremely weak penalty call (touched MacKinnon) Colorado had nothing going. Blues controlled the whole game. Love it.
I just like that they didn’t roll over in the face of being outplayed in game one. Just proved to Colorado they’re going to have to earn this series if they want it.
Yep, if the Blues can keep up the play like last night, they can absolutely win this series. As good as the Avs, they are not some unbeatable juggernaut, but don't tell that to Nathan McKinnon, who said after the game that they lost because no one on their team played well. :lol Heaven forbid you actually admit that the other team simply outplayed you. He's a jackass.
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Fantastic win by the Blues. Outside of that extremely weak penalty call (touched MacKinnon) Colorado had nothing going. Blues controlled the whole game. Love it.
I just like that they didn’t roll over in the face of being outplayed in game one. Just proved to Colorado they’re going to have to earn this series if they want it.
Yep, if the Blues can keep up the play like last night, they can absolutely win this series. As good as the Avs, they are not some unbeatable juggernaut, but don't tell that to Nathan McKinnon, who said after the game that they lost because no one on their team played well. :lol Heaven forbid you actually admit that the other team simply outplayed you. He's a jackass.
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I probably don't need to go digging too far back to find you (or Gary) lamenting how bad the Blues played in a loss. Most times in situations like this, it's a little bit of both.
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True. The AVs could still rattle of three wins and that would be that. All last night did was show them that the Blues aren’t going to roll over.
But I do disagree with MacKinnon. The larger reason why they didn’t get it done last night was everything the Blues did to them, not them not playing well.
Game three should be fun.
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I believe common sense dictates that fans not giving the opposing team credit by saying, "My team didn't play well," is not the same thing as a player saying it. I mean, let's get serious. :lol :lol
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Bowness "stepping away"/not renewed as Stars' coach.
Oh and fuck Cam Neely. Bringing back Sweeney while publicly taking Cassidy's legs out from underneath him. What a trainwreck the Bruins management is.
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Binnington knocked out of the game by Kadri. Technically a clean hockey play, but that guy never gets the benefit of the doubt.
I never root for injuries, but if a Blue puts him face first into the boards and knocks out some of his teeth, I probably won't feel bad for him. :censored :censored
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Binnington knocked out of the game by Kadri. Technically a clean hockey play, but that guy never gets the benefit of the doubt.
I never root for injuries, but if a Blue puts him face first into the boards and knocks out some of his teeth, I probably won't feel bad for him. :censored :censored
Finally got to see that play. Yeah….that was a well executed old school do nothing to try and stop because the other teams D touched you. Dirty ass play by a dirty ass player.
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I guess Husso figures he is gonna get his money in the offseason, because he looked like ass tonight. Head totally up his ass on that 4th goal. Amazing what a difference a few weeks can make, as they now look dead in the water without Binnington.
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I guess Husso figures he is gonna get his money in the offseason, because he looked like ass tonight. Head totally up his ass on that 4th goal. Amazing what a difference a few weeks can make, as they now look dead in the water without Binnington.
Was able to catch the last few minutes…..I think that was more on the bench than anything…..maybe some of him. Bottom line, from what I heard on the radio call and saw it sounds like once Binnington went out the Blues were discombobulated a bit.
Just gotta win the next game and make it a best of three. Kadri’s a POS though…..100% intention to injur on that play.
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Agree 100% on Kadri. I would love to see him pushed out of the league
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I guess Husso figures he is gonna get his money in the offseason, because he looked like ass tonight. Head totally up his ass on that 4th goal. Amazing what a difference a few weeks can make, as they now look dead in the water without Binnington.
??? He was half way to the bench when the play broke out of the Avs zone. He was in a no win situation. If he turns and skates back to the net, they simply shoot it past him. He tried to skate backwards to get in the play, but ... well, goalies can barely skate forwards.
re: Kadri... agreed wholly. That was an "accidentally on purpose" crash in to Binnington. SportsNet coverage even pulled Pronger out of the crowd to relive another Blues goalie get crashed in to in the playoffs.
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Sounds like Binnington is likely out for a few weeks, so congrats to the Avs. Unless we get a miraculous turnaround from Husso, who has allowed 13 goals in his last three playoff games, it's over. Sucks to see the season end like this, but it is what it is.
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I guess Husso figures he is gonna get his money in the offseason, because he looked like ass tonight. Head totally up his ass on that 4th goal. Amazing what a difference a few weeks can make, as they now look dead in the water without Binnington.
??? He was half way to the bench when the play broke out of the Avs zone. He was in a no win situation. If he turns and skates back to the net, they simply shoot it past him. He tried to skate backwards to get in the play, but ... well, goalies can barely skate forwards.
re: Kadri... agreed wholly. That was an "accidentally on purpose" crash in to Binnington. SportsNet coverage even pulled Pronger out of the crowd to relive another Blues goalie get crashed in to in the playoffs.
Two years in a row he’s injured one of our players. Just a cheap shot artist who needs to suffer a career ending injury.
I was surprised and elated to see Binnington find that top tier form again……dude was playing great. It is no coincidence at all that Kadri did what he did. It’s utter crap and I sincerely hope karma deals him the worst possible outcome.
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So I read that the Avs' Samuel Girard was also been taken out of the game. I didn't see the hit, but I thought I want to bring this out there.
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So I read that the Avs' Samuel Girard was also been taken out of the game. I didn't see the hit, but I thought I want to bring this out there.
It was a legit 100% clean hit. I don't mean to victim blame here, but only bad things often happen when a player leans or bends over a bit when there's an oncoming hit. I paused it right as his face hit the ledge - I'm surprised he didn't have facial injuries.
Just an unfortunate outcome to a very solid - and clean - hit.
Kadri on the other hand... knew exactly what he was doing. I don't think he meant to injure Binnington, but he sure as shit meant to collide with him.
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I guess Husso figures he is gonna get his money in the offseason, because he looked like ass tonight. Head totally up his ass on that 4th goal. Amazing what a difference a few weeks can make, as they now look dead in the water without Binnington.
??? He was half way to the bench when the play broke out of the Avs zone. He was in a no win situation. If he turns and skates back to the net, they simply shoot it past him. He tried to skate backwards to get in the play, but ... well, goalies can barely skate forwards.
re: Kadri... agreed wholly. That was an "accidentally on purpose" crash in to Binnington. SportsNet coverage even pulled Pronger out of the crowd to relive another Blues goalie get crashed in to in the playoffs.
Two years in a row he’s injured one of our players. Just a cheap shot artist who needs to suffer a career ending injury.
I was surprised and elated to see Binnington find that top tier form again……dude was playing great. It is no coincidence at all that Kadri did what he did. It’s utter crap and I sincerely hope karma deals him the worst possible outcome.
What a load of crap. Kadri is very aware of what he did last year.... and how it costs his own team. So he has been playing very cleanly. Most of the analysts I've heard make any comments about the collision was that it's part of hockey (including the guy on NHL Tonight...who picked St. Louis to come out of the West). Even the BLUES RADIO ANNOUNCERS said it wasn't intentional, for chrissakes. Puck was in the clear and he went for it. Both Rosen and he collided with Binnington.
You can't blame Kadri for that play just because of his past....guys crash the net and collide with goaltenders all the time. Sometimes it's deliberate, sometimes it's incidental. He wasn't even called for a penalty, was he?
I think what's most interesting is that the game was won by the Avs playing a more gritty type of game. Kind of chaotic, sloppy play. Only a couple of power plays. Hardly the "breathe on MacKinnon and he gets a whistle" type affair you were suggesting was going to happen.
It's unfortunate Binnington was hurt....obviously he was playing like he was during the Cup run in 2019....and making a big difference in the series so far. That being stated, we don't know unequivocally if he wins that game if not hurt. Just because he had a 1-0 lead does not mean the Avs still don't score goals the rest of the game.....just like Game 1.
You and other guys in this thread may want to wear some BLUE(S) BLOCKER sunglasses :coolio for the rest of the series, and at least TRY to look at things more objectively. In the meantime you can hope that Husso regains the form he had most of the season, and not give up. Using Binnington as an excuse at this point is not what good hockey fans do. If Kuemper gets knocked out, I will say GO PAVEL and suck it up!
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I agree that the Kadri play was an "accidentally on purpose"-type situation. Plus, when Binnington swiped at him with his stick earlier in the season, Kadri laughed and motioned his stick at him like, "I will get ya." And he did last night.
But, heaven knows, that true objective analysis on this is going to come from an Avs fan. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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I mean…..we can argue about this all day. I can post clips and images that clearly show Kadri not only wasn’t bumped or influenced by our D but that he had no intention of stopping and used our D and an excuse to bowl over Binnington. To suggest that he didn’t or that he somehow has changed his game is intellectually dishonest. A zebra can’t change his stripes…..Kadri is and will always be a dirty player who seeks those instances like last night to satisfy the asshole itch in his spirit.
Bottom line is the Blues can use it to rally around Husso…..who has played great this season and try to eliminate a ‘better’ team or they can use it as an excuse to be beat. I’m pretty sure Berube isn’t going to allow them to use it as an excuse so I’m looking forward to the rest of the series.
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Well that certainly went better than the last two games.
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I guess Husso figures he is gonna get his money in the offseason, because he looked like ass tonight. Head totally up his ass on that 4th goal. Amazing what a difference a few weeks can make, as they now look dead in the water without Binnington.
??? He was half way to the bench when the play broke out of the Avs zone. He was in a no win situation. If he turns and skates back to the net, they simply shoot it past him. He tried to skate backwards to get in the play, but ... well, goalies can barely skate forwards.
re: Kadri... agreed wholly. That was an "accidentally on purpose" crash in to Binnington. SportsNet coverage even pulled Pronger out of the crowd to relive another Blues goalie get crashed in to in the playoffs.
Two years in a row he’s injured one of our players. Just a cheap shot artist who needs to suffer a career ending injury.
I was surprised and elated to see Binnington find that top tier form again……dude was playing great. It is no coincidence at all that Kadri did what he did. It’s utter crap and I sincerely hope karma deals him the worst possible outcome.
What a load of crap. Kadri is very aware of what he did last year.... and how it costs his own team. So he has been playing very cleanly. Most of the analysts I've heard make any comments about the collision was that it's part of hockey (including the guy on NHL Tonight...who picked St. Louis to come out of the West). Even the BLUES RADIO ANNOUNCERS said it wasn't intentional, for chrissakes. Puck was in the clear and he went for it. Both Rosen and he collided with Binnington.
You can't blame Kadri for that play just because of his past....guys crash the net and collide with goaltenders all the time. Sometimes it's deliberate, sometimes it's incidental. He wasn't even called for a penalty, was he?
I think what's most interesting is that the game was won by the Avs playing a more gritty type of game. Kind of chaotic, sloppy play. Only a couple of power plays. Hardly the "breathe on MacKinnon and he gets a whistle" type affair you were suggesting was going to happen.
It's unfortunate Binnington was hurt....obviously he was playing like he was during the Cup run in 2019....and making a big difference in the series so far. That being stated, we don't know unequivocally if he wins that game if not hurt. Just because he had a 1-0 lead does not mean the Avs still don't score goals the rest of the game.....just like Game 1.
You and other guys in this thread may want to wear some BLUE(S) BLOCKER sunglasses :coolio for the rest of the series, and at least TRY to look at things more objectively. In the meantime you can hope that Husso regains the form he had most of the season, and not give up. Using Binnington as an excuse at this point is not what good hockey fans do. If Kuemper gets knocked out, I will say GO PAVEL and suck it up!
Look, I've got no dog in this race. I'l generally lean towards the Blues all other things being equal due to my friendship with Gary*, but c'mon dude. It's patently obvious Kadri was making zero effort to avoid Binnington - loose puck or not. Given Landeskog's bump of Binnington in Game 2, it was clearly a team strategy (get in Binnington's space, damned the consequences), and Kadri was more than willing to do the job. Remember, I lived thru Kadri's transgressions for a few years. Oh, and Kadri can't help himself - two round 1 suspensions while in Toronto that played a meaningful role in those series losses, and then he gets another last year. You're right, he was well aware of what he did last year - and just as aware of what he was doing last night. You wanna talk about looking thru homer-lenses, you're doing it bigly.
*Not that I'm not friends with Kev, just a closer friendship with Gary
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Wow. McDavid and Draisaitl are on another level right now. At 97's pace, he should probably get Conn Smythe consideration even if the Oil are eliminated this round. With his current point total, he's basically guaranteed to finish atop the playoff leader board
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Mike Smith doing it for the people today. Made roughly 30 saves. Was briefly taken out by Lucic for a few minutes and was apparently able to get back in. Now, I thought the Flames was able to figure him out after Game 1 and he didn't look that great in Game 2 early on, but now he's been looking all right. This 40+ year old goalie is a perplexing case.
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Just want to say that that was a bullshit call on Lucic last night. I get that the refs want to maintain order, but if Lucic "charged" Smith, he would've never gotten up.
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Even if Florida somehow wins this game, they haven't looked like a team that would take this series even if they reset everything at 0 and started over.
So very disappointed that Giroux got to pick to go to a stacked team, and even if they have the skill they just don't seem to have nearly the cup hunger that Tampa Bay always seems to have.
Going to be rooting for whatever team* Giroux signs with next season.
*Assuming it's not someone ridiculous like the Rangers, Penguins, or Bruins.
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I thought the Panthers were fraudulent anyway.
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Vasilevskiy with some unreal saves at the end.
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I thought the Panthers were fraudulent anyway.
Yep. Chad mentioned it……I did, you….a couple others. Lots of points but there was never a ‘fear factor’ with them.
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Oh. Okay then. :|
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Blues were always facing a tough go against t the AVs but that piece of shit Kadri knew that Binnington had their number and was playing great and him running him was 100% intentional. Would love to see him suffer a career ending injury…..if not for anything to protect whoever is next on his list.
Fn asshole.
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I like legit would love to see that happen to him. Just a horrible person and dirty ass player
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You're not behind those threats I've been reading about are you?? :lol
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As I predicted the other day, the second Binnington got ran over, this series was over. Husso has completely lost the magic he had in the regular season, and the team knows it and is playing like it.
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I like legit would love to see that happen to him. Just a horrible person and dirty ass player
Look, mate. I understand you and every Blues fan is hot right now about the Bennington/Kadri incident, but do you really think it was wise for Perron to take the penalty he did when he tried to dive on Kadri?
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Look, mate. I understand you and every Blues fan is hot right now about the Bennington/Kardi incident, but do you really think it was wise for Perron to take the penalty he did when he tried to dive on Kadri?
Probably not, but as this game gets out of hand, don't be surprised if the Blues get their pound of flesh. Darcy Kuemper best watch his ass, as hockey players who just saw their goalie knocked out of the playoffs by being run over are not above doing the same to the other team's goalie. Retribution is a hallmark of playoff hockey.
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I like legit would love to see that happen to him. Just a horrible person and dirty ass player
Look, mate. I understand you and every Blues fan is hot right now about the Bennington/Kadri incident, but do you really think it was wise for Perron to take the penalty he did when he tried to dive on Kadri?
Nope. It wasn’t.
Doesn’t change the fact Kadri has now taken out an injured a players in multiple consecutive playoff series and he did it once again this year.
Like I said, it was a long shot for the Blues to win the series but intentionally targeting a hot goalie. It’s frustrating and bullshit that he gets to keep playing.
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Sorry Gary and Kev..I just watched the play. If you guys think Kadri ran Binnington, I don't know what to say.
The guy was reaching, off balance, and got shouldered towards Binnington. His left leg is in a stop mode position and he fell off balance into Binnington. I think Kadri is a douche too, but well, whatever...
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Sorry Gary and Kev..I just watched the play. If you guys think Kadri ran Binnington, I don't know what to say.
The guy was reaching, off balance, and got shouldered towards Binnington. His left leg is in a stop mode position and he fell off balance into Binnington. I think Kadri is a douche too, but well, whatever...
We will disagree on that all day long. Made zero effort to avoid the collision and it’s
Tough to be shouldered into the goalie by a player that’s behind you.
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Yeah, I think Chad had it right when he said it was one of those "accidentally on purpose" hits. Parayko had a chance to do the same to the Avs goalie in the 3rd period the other night, but made an effort to avoid totally clocking him (and I am sure there were many who were wishing he pulled a Kadri and accidentally ran him on purpose as well :lol).
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Quote from The Athletic:
Former NHL referee Tim Peel spent 22 years in the league and, watching it unfold on TV on Saturday, agreed that Kadri’s actions weren’t incidental. There wasn’t a penalty called on the play, which Peel understood, but he said that doesn’t take away from Kadri’s intentions.
“What I saw was a player taking advantage of a situation in which two players were going hard to the net,” Peel said. “When it happened, to me at the time, I thought a minor for goalie interference should have been called on the play. But I have no problem with a penalty not being called because in real time it’s hard to tell who made the initial contact, and at most it’s a minor penalty.
“I like Naz Kadri, I like the player a lot, and he’s a very talented player. But what I saw there is a player who knew he could take advantage of a situation and took full advantage of it.
“Do I think he should be suspended? No, I don’t. I don’t think it’s a suspendable offense,” Peel said. “But it seems every playoffs, he is in the spotlight somehow, from (suspension-issued hits on) Tommy Wingels (in 2018) to Jake DeBrusk (2019) to Justin Faulk (2021), and now Jordan Binnington. Is that a coincidence? Probably not.”
The evidence is there…..he’s a danger to the people he plays against and that was a well executed dirty play by one of the best in the business at it.
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^ Nailed it.
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So as if to proof my point that this was over the second Binnington was lost:
-The Blues are 4-1 in the playoffs in games Binnington starts and finishes.
-They are 1-4 in the other games.
But, hey, if you want to look at just this series on a more micro level:
-In nearly seven periods of play, Binnington allowed four goals in this series.
-In less than six periods of play without Binnington, the Blues have allowed 11 goals in this series.
Case closed.
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Like I said....the Blues were facing a tough team and them winning the series was always going to be tough.....Binnington playing at a .948 Save percentage and 1.75 GA was certainly helping and the Blues proved they could hang with them and even outplay them when he was back there. It's done and over....mission accomplished again for Kadri and so now he'll get to move on and play while Binnington heals and the Blues are golfing.
It's a joke that players like him are continually allowed to put opposing players in peril. If I were the Blues I'd play McKechren or Joshua next game....tell them their fines are covered.....and I'd end Kadri's season. Sound ignorant and mean but that's clearly the only thing the guy understands so I'd tit for tat that shit. If I weren't dealing with some of my own 'off ice' issues in the real world I suppose I'd be more ticked off....but, it's only hockey.
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Gary, I'm not using this as an opportunity to pick on you, but the thing I recall most about the Blues regular season is how Binnington was awful and that Husso should absolutely be the one taking over. And now all I'm hearing is that with your lord and savior Binnington injured, how the Blues don't stand a chance. I don't like seeing any player get injured, but at the end of the day while the Blues probably didn't have a top tier goalie in the playoffs, they had a solid 1A/1B combo that should have been the perfect insurance policy in just this type of situation.
If they lose now it's not because of Kadri, it's because the Avalanche are a better team.
I am not saying Kadri may not have tried his hardest to avoid Binnington on that play, but if as a defender you play that as the Blues did you have to understand you're potentially inviting that kind of outcome. I may only play rec, so generally not trying as hard as these guys are, but if someone gets their stick under my arm you can bet I'm holding that in with my elbow to get the penalty. Call it lame on my part all you want, but you shouldn't get your stick their in the first place. In Kadri's situation you want to defend him hard, but you then severely limit his ability to clear the goaltender and make a strong play to the net.
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Gary, I'm not using this as an opportunity to pick on you, but the thing I recall most about the Blues regular season is how Binnington was awful and that Husso should absolutely be the one taking over. And now all I'm hearing is that with your lord and savior Binnington injured, how the Blues don't stand a chance. I don't like seeing any player get injured, but at the end of the day while the Blues probably didn't have a top tier goalie in the playoffs, they had a solid 1A/1B combo that should have been the perfect insurance policy in just this type of situation.
I was 100% start Husso and stick with him in the playoffs. Kid had a fantastic year and I thought he deserved to ride it out. Binnington was a mess all season and showed no signs of getting better. BUT...for whatever reason, when Berube made the switch in Game 3 vs the Wild Binnington took the ball and ran. He's looked fantastic and played with that cocky ass mojo that he had back in 2019...maybe better.
If anything....I feel a litter better about the ridiculous contract he was given....that, maybe it's not a complete bust
If they lose now it's not because of Kadri, it's because the Avalanche are a better team.
100% agree that the AV's are a better team and that they 'should' have won the series no matter what. BUT....with the way #50 was playing and the confidence the Blues were rolling with....and you could still taste it up until the point in the last game when Kadri ran Binnington....the Blues were every bit 'in' that series and were fully capable of winning it. I mean, They've held all their top scorers (but Kadri) goal-less.
I will disagree that when they lose that Kadri had nothing to do with it. He knew exactly what he was doing on that play.....watch in real time....slow mo....frame by frame....however you want. Rosen had zero influence on Kadri's momentum on that play and Kadri had zero intention of slowing down. He knew he essentially had a free pass to plow Binnington and he took it. He's a POS player proven by his history and the league just allows him to play on like it's no big deal.
It is what it is. I don't think I'm wrong to be frustrated with how that all went down.....it's garbage. After Game 5 I'll be a TB fan and hope that they throttle the AV's in the finals.
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Speaking of… one of the most infamous cheap shots in playoff history:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F181mjuEThA
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So...where do we all stand on Ovechkin at this point?
He scored 50 goals last season and is now at 780 - so he needs 114 to tie and 115 to pass Gretzky.
Unless he replicates his two best seasons (2007-08 and 2008-09), he won't catch Gretz until the 2024-25 season, which will be his year 39 season. He's under contract until the 2025-26 season, so I'm thinking it's pretty well in the bag unless he suffers a serious injury. It'd be interesting to see where he'd be but for the lockout and COVID seasons.
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Speaking of… one of the most infamous cheap shots in playoff history:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F181mjuEThA
I remember watching that live. I think that is still the biggest cheap shot in playoff history by a wide distance, since I have been watching hockey at least. Not sure what is 2nd, but it is not close to that. That is as dirty as it gets.
So...where do we all stand on Ovechkin at this point?
He scored 50 goals last season and is now at 780 - so he needs 114 to tie and 115 to pass Gretzky.
Unless he replicates his two best seasons (2007-08 and 2008-09), he won't catch Gretz until the 2024-25 season, which will be his year 39 season. He's under contract until the 2025-26 season, so I'm thinking it's pretty well in the bag unless he suffers a serious injury. It'd be interesting to see where he'd be but for the lockout and COVID seasons.
I think he will play long enough to break the record, and I suspect the Capitals will have no problem bringing him back to make it happen, given what he has meant to the franchise so long as he is still scoring goals at a good clip. It will be a bummer to see 99's record fall, but that just means he will only have 3,493 records instead of 3,494. :lol :lol :lol
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Yeah, barring injury he'll pass Gretz. I'm rooting for him to do it, too.
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Speaking of… one of the most infamous cheap shots in playoff history:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F181mjuEThA
I remember watching that live. I think that is still the biggest cheap shot in playoff history by a wide distance, since I have been watching hockey at least. Not sure what is 2nd, but it is not close to that. That is as dirty as it gets.
Easy answer …. It’s Lemieux on Draper. Before clicking the link, I figured Ludwig’s post was either Hunter/Turgenev, or Lemieux/Draper.
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Speaking of… one of the most infamous cheap shots in playoff history:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F181mjuEThA
Well, you narrowly had something quite similar here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HRFUP1RK3A
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Speaking of… one of the most infamous cheap shots in playoff history:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F181mjuEThA
Well, you narrowly had something quite similar here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HRFUP1RK3A
Nope, not even close, but Avs fans who have been showing their asses by defending Kadri like he's their grandma sure are yapping about that a lot.
Players taking swipes at opponents after goals is nothing new. Big, big difference between that and what Dale Hunter did. Heck, in the Blues/Bruins G7 in 2019, after Petro scored to make it 2-0, one of the Bruins literally punched Schenn (I think), who was trailing the play, in the face. That stuff happens.
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Markstrom looks terrible.
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Markstrom looks terrible.
No issues with that at all.
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Speaking of… one of the most infamous cheap shots in playoff history:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F181mjuEThA
Well, you narrowly had something quite similar here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HRFUP1RK3A
Nope, not even close,
How is that not even close? Perron was targeting Kadri. oh, did I just see that he was fined 5k for crosschecking him? Hmmm... But he was definitely not targeting him, I guess...
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Because it's not close. That's how.
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Because it's not close. That's how.
I guess after missing with the elbow, he executed the cross check much better.
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Yeah, one hockey player trying to hit another is pretty unheard of, eh?
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Yeah, one hockey player trying to hit another is pretty unheard of, eh?
So you admit it happened?
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That hockey players try to hit one another? Yes, of course.
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Good fucking lord.
Smith....
Goal against from the opposing blue line
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Wow. Caught napping.
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Good fucking lord.
Smith....
Goal against from the opposing blue line
Alls well that ends well regardless.
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Good fucking lord.
Smith....
Goal against from the opposing blue line
Alls well that ends well regardless.
Thankfully, but it was definitely trending the other way
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Good fucking lord.
Smith....
Goal against from the opposing blue line
Alls well that ends well regardless.
Thankfully, but it was definitely trending the other way
Oilers looked like the better team for most of the game. McDavid continuing to leave defenders in the dust, so if I'm Calgary, there's no way to justify giving the Oilers ANY power play opportunities. And even with that stupid short-handed goal against, I'm taking Smith over Markstrom.
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Because it's not close. That's how.
The only reason one might consider “It’s not even close” is A) because Perron missed, or B) Homerism. If he’d have landed with that elbow, that would’ve been worse than anything Kadr has done, because it was a clear attempt at a headshot AND a free the goal AND an attempt to injure. And just as bad as the Hunter hit.
Tim’s got it right on this one.
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But, heaven knows, that true objective analysis on this is going to come from an Avs Blues fan.
Fixed for this instance. :biggrin:
Cumin dude. If ANY Avs player had thrown that kind of elbow at Khyru or Tarasenko after a goal, you’d be losing your ever-loving mind.
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Because it's not close. That's how.
The only reason one might consider “It’s not even close” is A) because Perron missed, or B) Homerism. If he’d have landed with that elbow, that would’ve been worse than anything Kadr has done, because it was a clear attempt at a headshot AND a free the goal AND an attempt to injure. And just as bad as the Hunter hit.
Tim’s got it right on this one.
I'm torn....honestly. Perron clearly tried to drill him....would have been a cheap ass BS play that would warrant a hefty suspension and fine.....but I personally would have loved to see it land because Kadri's a POS and essentially deserves something like that. Only difference is I'd wait until an actual hockey play and not after the play has stopped.
What the big joke is in all of this is that there are a few articles on The Athletic that are hailing Kadri as some sort of 'hero' in the wake of the online bullying and crap he faced after targeting Binnington and ending his season. Like he's some sort of role model or something. Give me an F'n break...seriously. Maybe try not injuring yet another player during the playoffs and you won't face the 'hate'.
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Cumin dude.
:neverusethis:
I mean, I know we're all excited about the playoffs but jeesh..
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What the big joke is in all of this is that there are a few articles on The Athletic that are hailing Kadri as some sort of 'hero' in the wake of the online bullying and crap he faced after targeting Binnington and ending his season. Like he's some sort of role model or something. Give me an F'n break...seriously. Maybe try not injuring yet another player during the playoffs and you won't face the 'hate'.
All it took were some idiots on Twitter lobbing racist crap at him to make him the victim. It is not surprising that the media would then jump on and throw him some love.
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Cumin dude.
It's critical to good taco seasoning.
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Cumin dude.
:neverusethis:
I mean, I know we're all excited about the playoffs but jeesh..
Damn auto correct. It was a spicy take though, eh?
What the big joke is in all of this is that there are a few articles on The Athletic that are hailing Kadri as some sort of 'hero' in the wake of the online bullying and crap he faced after targeting Binnington and ending his season. Like he's some sort of role model or something. Give me an F'n break...seriously. Maybe try not injuring yet another player during the playoffs and you won't face the 'hate'.
All it took were some idiots on Twitter lobbing racist crap at him to make him the victim. It is not surprising that the media would then jump on and throw him some love.
Yeah, I mean.... it's like some people can actually separate their feelings within the game for a general respect towards humanity.
Gary/Kev, I know you aren't these kinds of guys, but the comments almost suggest the hate was warranted. I'm no fan of Kadri, but I'd never actively wish harm on anyone, and NOTHING warrants the kind of crap he was getting spewed towards him.
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Agreed Chad. There were some real ignorant comments, inexcusable for sure.
I'm not suggesting I agree with the comments.......I'm lamenting the fact that Kadri somehow now is some sort of pillar of excellence in how he 'handled' the comments....comments that....while they were vulgar and not helpful.....he ultimately induced by yet again playing dirty and injuring yet another player. I'm just not a fan of him getting praise for handling backlash from an avoidable situation that his own dirty style of play caused.
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Agreed Chad. There were some real ignorant comments, inexcusable for sure.
I'm not suggesting I agree with the comments.......I'm lamenting the fact that Kadri somehow now is some sort of pillar of excellence in how he 'handled' the comments....comments that....while they were vulgar and not helpful.....he ultimately induced by yet again playing dirty and injuring yet another player. I'm just not a fan of him getting praise for handling backlash from an avoidable situation that his own dirty style of play caused.
First... I never thought for one second you were.
I think where you're coming from is the action (Kadri not avoiding the crease and injuring Binnington), caused a reaction (though, hardly "equal and opposite"). Your stance simply recognizing that the reaction (while deplorable/uncalled for/inappropriate etc ...) was just that ... a RE-action. If that's the take, I get it.
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Agreed Chad. There were some real ignorant comments, inexcusable for sure.
I'm not suggesting I agree with the comments.......I'm lamenting the fact that Kadri somehow now is some sort of pillar of excellence in how he 'handled' the comments....comments that....while they were vulgar and not helpful.....he ultimately induced by yet again playing dirty and injuring yet another player. I'm just not a fan of him getting praise for handling backlash from an avoidable situation that his own dirty style of play caused.
I'm still amused at how Avs fans are cheering for Kadri like he's their first born. I saw a pic where tons of fans have signs in support of him tonight. Those are probably the same genius Colorado fans who would have been talking about how Bill Romanowski (another POS human being) was the second coming back in the late 90s (as a Broncos fan, having that guy on my favorite team was a bit nauseating). And I get it, we all are fans of teams that have players who have done this or that or who aren't good guys or whatever, but there is a big difference between rooting for them because they are on your favorite team and digging your heels and rooting for them like they are your favorite player, but Avs fans just can't help but show their asses. But hey, they haven't been past the second round in 20 years and are on the verge of doing so, so they are excited. I get it. Sure, it took running over the hottest goalie in the playoffs to make it happen, but hockey is a physical battle, and you do what you have to do.
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Agreed Chad. There were some real ignorant comments, inexcusable for sure.
I'm not suggesting I agree with the comments.......I'm lamenting the fact that Kadri somehow now is some sort of pillar of excellence in how he 'handled' the comments....comments that....while they were vulgar and not helpful.....he ultimately induced by yet again playing dirty and injuring yet another player. I'm just not a fan of him getting praise for handling backlash from an avoidable situation that his own dirty style of play caused.
Sorry Gary. No matter how he plays, death threats and such are out of line, and as long as he has to deal with it, he's gonna come out on top. He's just a fucking hockey player at the end of the day.
I get it. Kadri is a dick. But well, I'm not going to take this any further, other than to say that I think you're out of line.
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Choke on it, Avs. That was highly enjoyable. :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Choke on it, Avs. That was highly enjoyable. :biggrin: :biggrin:
That 4th clinching game is the toughest one to win. Glad the Blues were able to pull that one off…..heck of a comeback and another gritty win.
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Watched the game on TV while watching the Celts on my computer. Big boy win.
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That was a Berube win. The Blues under Hitchcock would have given up and skated it out to the finish once they fell behind 2-0 in an elimination game, but not a Berube team. They kept fighting and found a way. Win or lose this series, I love the mental toughness this team has now.
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That was a Berube win. The Blues under Hitchcock would have given up and skated it out to the finish once they fell behind 2-0 in an elimination game, but not a Berube team. They kept fighting and found a way. Win or lose this series, I love the mental toughness this team has now.
Yep. They could have mailed it in after going down 3-0 and nobody would have thought any worse I’d them. Glad they’re making Colorado earn the next round.
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That was a Berube win. The Blues under Hitchcock would have given up and skated it out to the finish once they fell behind 2-0 in an elimination game, but not a Berube team. They kept fighting and found a way. Win or lose this series, I love the mental toughness this team has now.
Yep. They could have mailed it in after going down 3-0 and nobody would have thought any worse I’d them. Glad they’re making Colorado earn the next round.
I know you're trying to be cautious here, but I hope the Blues ride the momentum from this win into the Conference Finals. The Avs may have more talent, but the Blues are the better team. I'll take that any day.
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That was a Berube win. The Blues under Hitchcock would have given up and skated it out to the finish once they fell behind 2-0 in an elimination game, but not a Berube team. They kept fighting and found a way. Win or lose this series, I love the mental toughness this team has now.
Yep. They could have mailed it in after going down 3-0 and nobody would have thought any worse I’d them. Glad they’re making Colorado earn the next round.
I know you're trying to be cautious here, but I hope the Blues ride the momentum from this win into the Conference Finals. The Avs may have more talent, but the Blues are the better team. I'll take that any day.
A bit...yeah. I mean, Colorado is stacked with talent but they have the history of crapping the bed when crunch time comes. I don't know how much more perfect a scenario they needed than last night to get over the hump and back to the Finals. Up 3-0 with over half the game played, on home ice with the crowd fired up...c'mon...that should have been a slam dunk victory
I'm hoping that this screws with their psyche now and the pressure starts to set in. The Blues players have been there and know how to handle it. It'll be interesting to see for sure. Obviously I'm hoping for a Game 7 now but the AV's have a great team.
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The Rangers are running out of gas. Even if they pull this one out, I don’t know how much they have left in the tank, and the winner of this series has a well rested Lightning team waiting for them.
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SchecterShredder. Your team did it. Oilers in the final four now. McDavid with another final goal of the series, this time in OT. You feel good against either Blues or Avs?
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SchecterShredder. Your team did it. Oilers in the final four now. McDavid with another final goal of the series, this time in OT. You feel good against either Blues or Avs?
Happy for SchecterShredder because that’s exciting. All the years of them not making any noise with the best player in the world and they’re finally in the finals. Gotta feel good.
But not exactly the toughest road to walk to get there. I personally think either the Blues or the AVs take them in 5….maybe 6. I just don’t think they’ve played a real tough team yet. Maybe they’ll surprise me but just not seeing it.
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SchecterShredder. Your team did it. Oilers in the final four now. McDavid with another final goal of the series, this time in OT. You feel good against either Blues or Avs?
Happy for SchecterShredder because that’s exciting. All the years of them not making any noise with the best player in the world and they’re finally in the finals. Gotta feel good.
But not exactly the toughest road to walk to get there. I personally think either the Blues or the AVs take them in 5….maybe 6. I just don’t think they’ve played a real tough team yet. Maybe they’ll surprise me but just not seeing it.
I think seeing McDavid/Draisatl dissect a Sutter-coached / defensive minded team the way they did bodes well. Mike Smith just needs to play "good enough" for four games (as he did last night). That 2nd period was bonkers. 4 (combined) goals in 1:11 (fastest NHL Playoff history)!?!?!? Goaltending was not good throughout this series for either side.
Congrats Rich!
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I got to watch almost all of the Alberta series, how absolutely bonkers the whole thing was.
I still feel like the Avs will move on and would have the upper hand on the Oilers, but if that series proved anything it's that if McDavid and Draisaitl are playing, then anything is possible.
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Thanks everyone! I'm pretty excited about them being in the conference final. They played both the Blues and Avs pretty well this season. 2-1 against the Blues; 1-2 against the Avs, and those 2 losses were 1 goal games. I don't expect a win, but i think it's at least a close series. And with the likes of McDavid and Draisaitl the Oil could easily steal a series against pretty much any team.
Either way this shakes out, it's been a fun post season!
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McJesus and Draisatl are playing at an unbelievable level right now. 26 points in 12 games for each of them? That's Gretzky-esque.
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McJesus and Draisatl are playing at an unbelievable level right now. 26 points in 12 games for each of them? That's Gretzky-esque.
Yup. And to think that i once, in this very forum, suggested the Oil trade Leon and the 3rd overall pick for PK Subban. That would have been Milbury-esque bad.
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Thanks everyone! I'm pretty excited about them being in the conference final. They played both the Blues and Avs pretty well this season. 2-1 against the Blues; 1-2 against the Avs, and those 2 losses were 1 goal games. I don't expect a win, but i think it's at least a close series. And with the likes of McDavid and Draisaitl the Oil could easily steal a series against pretty much any team.
Either way this shakes out, it's been a fun post season!
If they play the AVs…..which is highly likely…..I’ll become an Oilers fan pretty quickly. Won’t be hard to cheer for them.
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If they play the AVs…..which is highly likely…..I’ll become an Oilers fan pretty quickly. Won’t be hard to cheer for them.
Rooting for Evander Kane, eh? :P
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If they play the AVs…..which is highly likely…..I’ll become an Oilers fan pretty quickly. Won’t be hard to cheer for them.
Rooting for Evander Kane, eh? :P
Honestly I detest the AVs as whole at this point so I guess that’s a reluctant ‘yep’
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I don't think the Avs are an easy team to hate other than Kadri, but I get it. Easy to develop a little hate for the team that knocks your team out of the playoffs.
Blues were outplayed in the 1st period, but lead 1-0. The regular season Husso showed up tonight so far.
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Kev, Gary. You have my sympathies. That's pretty brutal to witness a team give up a series ending goal with less than 6 seconds to go.
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Kev, Gary. You have my sympathies. That's pretty brutal to give up a series ending goal with less than 6 seconds to go.
Thanks. Blues deserved that loss. Kyrou has two golden chances to make it 3-1 at the end of the second period and misses both…..Paryako takes a delay of game for some reason to give them a gift PP
Plus….Colorado straight brought it. They came to win. Oh well. I hope they get smoked by Edmonton but I don’t see it happening.
Still think Kadris BS play injuring Binnkngton win the AVs the series. He’s a POS and if karma has any sense of equality his MCL will snap celebrating
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So with apologies to Gary and Kev, I am so happy the Blues are out. 2019 sucked any enjoyment of me seeing them play hockey. Other than my childhood favorite team of the Islanders, the Blues had always been my favorite non Bruins team as an adult, and I want to puke every time they're on TV.
Sorry guys. You'd feel the same, trust me.
Chad, better to lose in the first round..
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It's a good thing Parayko was part of the 2019 team that won the Cup, otherwise he'd be on my permanent shit list after two head up his ass plays led to the Avs first two goals tonight.
Ultimately though, it was a listless and gutless performance by most of the team tonight. Where was the fire? The energy? I just don't get sports sometimes, I suppose. :lol :lol
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I’m not really all that bummed. The top two teams in the West just played (I know the Wild had more points but only a couple….Blues were the better team) and I still stick by my prediction it’d be one of those two teams playing for the cup. The bracket that the Oil came out of just isn’t strong and I dont think there was a team in it that could hang with the Blues or AVs.
AVs may beat the Oil in 5 games….but it won’t go 7.
Blues need to tinker with a couple things but they’ll be in the hunt like this for the foreseeable future.
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I’m not really all that bummed. The top two teams in the West just played (I know the Wild had more points but only a couple….Blues were the better team) and I still stick by my prediction it’d be one of those two teams playing for the cup. The bracket that the Oil came out of just isn’t strong and I dont think there was a team in it that could hang with the Blues or AVs.
AVs may beat the Oil in 5 games….but it won’t go 7.
Blues need to tinker with a couple things but they’ll be in the hunt like this for the foreseeable future.
Agreed. The Avs might score 10 goals in a game against that Oilers defense. :lol Not talked about a lot is that Kuemper didn't play well that for a lot of this series, so he can be had, and I think the Oilers will get their fair share of goals, but I just see the Avs scoring at will against them early and often.
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Fun fact. With the Avs/Oilers being set as the Western Conference finals, it guarantees that a #1 overall pick in the 2010s will make to the cup finals for the first time ever. For the Oilers, it's Nugent-Hopkins (2011) and McDavid (2015). For the Avs, it's MacKinnon (2013).
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It's a good thing Parayko was part of the 2019 team that won the Cup, otherwise he'd be on my permanent shit list after two head up his ass plays led to the Avs first two goals tonight.
Ultimately though, it was a listless and gutless performance by most of the team tonight. Where was the fire? The energy? I just don't get sports sometimes, I suppose. :lol :lol
Paryako sucked….yes. Horrible game that gifted them two goals.
But let’s be honest here…..the fire want there because the AVs wouldn’t allow them to start one. The AVs showed up to win and they did.
Kyrou had two chances to make that game a 3-1 game heading into the third and he blew it. I knew then they were in trouble because we weren’t getting chances and Husso could only play Superman for so long.
I am pissed that Kadri injured Binnington because I think it’s a different series had he not been ran and knocked out. Not a guaranteed series win but he was in a zone.
Oh well….seasons done……and that’s that.
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Chad, better to lose in the first round..
I see what you're saying, but not for 6 straight years. Watching hockey for the enjoyment of the game has its benefits I suppose - I was in a VERY crabby mood watching the third period of the Bolts/Leafs game 7... cuz I knew the Leafs weren't going to pull it off.
The Blues played the 3rd period not to lose, and the crowd sure acted like it as well. Sounded like I was watching a tennis match at times. Brutal way to lose it though.
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I think the crowd was quiet cause they knew the team was getting outplayed badly. I went and watched the latter part of the game with my dad, and late in the 3rd period, I actually said to him, "Hear how the crowd is dead silent? Not surprising because the team is playing terrible." When the winning goal was scored, I was like, well, better to get it over now rather than delay the inevitable and have it happen in OT. Once the Avs tied it up in the 3rd, then winning the game just felt inevitable.
Gary, sadly, we will never know what would have happened had Binnington not gotten hurt, but I like to think the Blues would have had a good chance to win it.
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Chad, better to lose in the first round..
I see what you're saying, but not for 6 straight years. Watching hockey for the enjoyment of the game has its benefits I suppose - I was in a VERY crabby mood watching the third period of the Bolts/Leafs game 7... cuz I knew the Leafs weren't going to pull it off.
Of course it's fine to make the 2nd round once in a while.. :lol
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The later the loss in the playoffs, the deeper the cut, but if your team has not advanced in a while, you at least want that.
The Blues made the conference finals in both 2001 and 2016, and in both instances lost, but because it had been 15 years since the last time they had gotten that far, a little part of me did think both times, "Hey, it was nice to at least get to the 3rd round for a change."
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I think the Canes will finally win on the road tonight, and put the Rangers away. Though, if it goes to seven, then we'll see a 'straight' from in series length this round - one series each going 4/5/6/7 games.
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I think the Canes will finally win on the road tonight, and put the Rangers away. Though, if it goes to seven, then we'll see a 'straight' from in series length this round - one series each going 4/5/6/7 games.
It’s nine thirty in the morning local time and I’m already stressed. Obviously I want the Rangers to pull it off again but a small part of me doesn’t know if I can handle another round or two of this, especially with the stakes exponentially higher after this round.
The later the loss in the playoffs, the deeper the cut, but if your team has not advanced in a while, you at least want that.
Oh see the fact that I was an infant the last time the Rangers won the Cup and therefore don’t remember it makes every deep playoff run hurt that much more when they inevitably come up short. I still haven’t forgiven the Kings for 2014, and the Lightning became a villain in my world one season later.
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Yep, true hatred for a team really comes about as a result of playoff losses to them, especially crushing ones. There really is no logical reason for me, a Blues fan, to dislike the Sharks, but they beat us in 2000 in the 1st round after we won the President's Trophy and then also in the conference finals in 2016, so while the hatred for them isn't deep like it is for the Red Wings or Hawks, it is there nonetheless. :lol :lol
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There's no team I've ever really hated.
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Well, sports hate is different than real hate obviously.
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Well, sports hate is different than real hate obviously.
No I get it. I just don't have real sports hate against any team.
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There's no team I've ever really hated.
I've definitely hated teams mostly due to their fanbases. Vancouver and Toronto easily come to mind for me.
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There's no team I've ever really hated.
I've definitely hated teams mostly due to their fanbases. Vancouver and Toronto easily come to mind for me.
I don't know, I generally don't pay attention.
But I definitely root against whatever team that has fans gather outside the arena for a watch party. I love seeing those people go home losers.
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There's no team I've ever really hated.
I've definitely hated teams mostly due to their fanbases. Vancouver and Toronto easily come to mind for me.
I don't know, I generally don't pay attention.
But I definitely root against whatever team that has fans gather outside the arena for a watch party. I love seeing those people go home losers.
Lol I have no problem with the idea of a watch party.
I tend to hate certain players, which in turn leads me to hate their respective teams.
For instance, I hate Kucherov on the Bolts. In baseball I remember HATING Greg Madux on the Braves, and to a lesser extent, Chipper Jones. And then there was John Rocker.
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How could you ever hate Greg Maddux? The guy was a surgeon.
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How could you ever hate Greg Maddux? The guy was a surgeon.
Maybe because he was a surgeon that routinely cut the Mets into pieces? :). Don’t get me wrong, I don’t question his talent… he was incredible. I just hate what he did my hometown team. There was also something about him that rubbed me the wrong way… that cocky little smirk.
It got so bad that I was a MET fan rooting for the Yankees to beat the Braves in the WS.
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There's no team I've ever really hated.
I've definitely hated teams mostly due to their fanbases. Vancouver and Toronto easily come to mind for me.
I don't know, I generally don't pay attention.
But I definitely root against whatever team that has fans gather outside the arena for a watch party. I love seeing those people go home losers.
Well, you'd hate Edmonton lol. The oilers have 2 official watch parties:
- One for $5 or $10, although the money goes to charity, directly inside the arena on the jumbo tron
- One inside the building, but outside the paid area of the arena, in what's called Molson House (sponsored by Molson-Coors)
Both are packed with fans. They show molson house on the canadian broadcasts quite often after goals. Personally, I'm not a fan. But that's mostly just from a consumer perspective. The thought of packing into a standing room only place to wait an hour for beers is nauseating.
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One thing I think too that’s unique to New York City sports fans… is the existence of two baseball teams, two basketball teams, two football teams and three hockey teams (if you count the Devils, who are basically a train commute away from midtown Manhattan). This tends to bring out that cross-town rivalry mentality, i.e. hatred, especially given the character of New Yorkers in general.
If you’re a Met fan, you’re expected to hate the Yankees. And if you’re Rangers fan, the chant has to be “Potvin sucks!”
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That was a soft first goal, but that Dman has to smother that shot.
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I don't think I've ever hated a team or franchise. Had rivals? Absolutely. Disliked individual players? Definitely.
When I root heavily against a team, it's mainly because of a) a particular player or set of players, b) someone in management, or, most often, c) the general fanbase.
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Game 7 here we come!
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There's no team I've ever really hated.
I've definitely hated teams mostly due to their fanbases. Vancouver and Toronto easily come to mind for me.
I don't know, I generally don't pay attention.
But I definitely root against whatever team that has fans gather outside the arena for a watch party. I love seeing those people go home losers.
That's pretty much every team nowadays.
Also, Boston franchises can suck it.
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There's no team I've ever really hated.
I've definitely hated teams mostly due to their fanbases. Vancouver and Toronto easily come to mind for me.
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There's no team I've ever really hated.
I've definitely hated teams mostly due to their fanbases. Vancouver and Toronto easily come to mind for me.
(https://i.gifer.com/3kum.gif)
These sentiments pre date my participation on DTF. Rest assured, Chad, this has nothing to do with you.
Now, if Matthews decides to go to free agency and you suggest whichever team signs him should have to give the Leafs a 1st rd pick... then we might have a problem. That was an actual comment from a Leafs fan that made the Score's on-air banner scroll when Mats Sundin went to market.
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That's just dumb. Though, I don't know recall how "unrestricted" UFA's really were back in the early 2000s.
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Out of curiosity, what's wrong about a watch party?
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One thing I think too that’s unique to New York City sports fans… is the existence of two baseball teams, two basketball teams, two football teams and three hockey teams (if you count the Devils, who are basically a train commute away from midtown Manhattan). This tends to bring out that cross-town rivalry mentality, i.e. hatred, especially given the character of New Yorkers in general.
If you’re a Met fan, you’re expected to hate the Yankees. And if you’re Rangers fan, the chant has to be “Potvin sucks!”
I'm kind of split on that, I only buy into it when the teams are rivals. I'm a Yankees fan but I don't hate the Mets and I'm a Jets fan but I don't hate the Giants. I don't root for them, but I don't care if they do well (unless it's at my team's expense). Hell, the Giants have endeared themselves to me greatly by denying the Patriots two Super Bowls. That said, I'm a Devils fan and I loathe the Rangers and I'm a Nets fan and I never want to see the Knicks do well.
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Out of curiosity, what's wrong about a watch party?
Absolutely nothing lol. They just grind Tim's gears, apparently.
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Speaking of rivalries, and hating other teams, ESPN is doing an E60 doc on the Red Wings v. Avalanche rivalry:
https://youtu.be/YyuA_NetTv4
I cannot wait
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The Count's Rangers are now about the only team I'd really be happy to see hoist the Cup.
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While I would have loved a Game 7 tonight, a big part of me, quite frankly, is glad the stress of Blues playoff hockey is over. I feel a lot less edgy and crabby. :lol :lol
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The Count's Rangers are now about the only team I'd really be happy to see hoist the Cup.
They'd be the last of the remaining teams that I'd want to see win the Cup.
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The Count's Rangers are now about the only team I'd really be happy to see hoist the Cup.
They'd be the last of the remaining teams that I'd want to see win the Cup.
Edmonton: Beat the Kings, McDavid's a douche, Draisaitl too, and Kane is a prick.
Colorado: I guess they wouldn't be horrible, but I feel roughly the same about McKinnon as McDavid.
Carolina: Meh...whatever.
Tampa Bay: Absolutely the last team I want to see win and become the first threepeat team since...the Islanders in the '80s?
New York: No real rooting interest, but definitely the least objectionable alternative (I also work with a couple guys who are fans).
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The Count's Rangers are now about the only team I'd really be happy to see hoist the Cup.
They'd be the last of the remaining teams that I'd want to see win the Cup.
Edmonton: Beat the Kings, McDavid's a douche, Draisaitl too, and Kane is a prick.
Colorado: I guess they wouldn't be horrible, but I feel roughly the same about McKinnon as McDavid.
Carolina: Meh...whatever.
Tampa Bay: Absolutely the last team I want to see win and become the first threepeat team since...the Islanders in the '80s?
New York: No real rooting interest, but definitely the least objectionable alternative (I also work with a couple guys who are fans).
Is this serious, or just lingering bitterness for them beating your team? I've never heard anyone refer to either of these two like that.
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Not talked about a lot is that Kuemper didn't play well that for a lot of this series, so he can be had, and I think the Oilers will get their fair share of goals, but I just see the Avs scoring at will against them early and often.
Perhaps not nationwide, but there's a LOT of local radio talk show analysis of Kuemper struggling at times (esp. when he was flopping like a fish WAY out of goal and Manson bails him out). I think winning the series masks (see what I did there?) a performance like he had in Game 5.
Accordingly, this could be a high scoring series.....esp. if Rantanen and Makar wake the hell up!
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Were they really asleep or did the Blues just do a shoot job defending them? I think when you get two teams as good as the Blues and Avs, both teams are going to find a way to neutralize some of the best players on the other team and that is when the others step up. The Blues did a good job on MacKinnon for the bulk of the series, but obviously he had an incredible Game 5. On the flip side, the Avs did a good job against the Robert Thomas line for most of the series as well. That is why teams that win the Cup always get key contributions from the 3rd and 4th line guys, because teams in this league are too good and will find ways to neutralize the best lines at times. I won't be surprised if the Avs find a way to keep McDavid and his line in check for a good part of the series. It happens.
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Were they really asleep or did the Blues just do a shoot job defending them? I think when you get two teams as good as the Blues and Avs, both teams are going to find a way to neutralize some of the best players on the other team and that is when the others step up. The Blues did a good job on MacKinnon for the bulk of the series, but obviously he had an incredible Game 5. On the flip side, the Avs did a good job against the Robert Thomas line for most of the series as well. That is why teams that win the Cup always get key contributions from the 3rd and 4th line guys, because teams in this league are too good and will find ways to neutralize the best lines at times. I won't be surprised if the Avs find a way to keep McDavid and his line in check for a good part of the series. It happens.
For sure it does. McD/Leo were in a real funk during that period leading up to Tippett's firing. Weren't they like 5 wins in 20 games or something brutal like that?
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Were they really asleep or did the Blues just do a shoot job defending them? I think when you get two teams as good as the Blues and Avs, both teams are going to find a way to neutralize some of the best players on the other team and that is when the others step up. The Blues did a good job on MacKinnon for the bulk of the series, but obviously he had an incredible Game 5. On the flip side, the Avs did a good job against the Robert Thomas line for most of the series as well. That is why teams that win the Cup always get key contributions from the 3rd and 4th line guys, because teams in this league are too good and will find ways to neutralize the best lines at times. I won't be surprised if the Avs find a way to keep McDavid and his line in check for a good part of the series. It happens.
Yeah....outside of Kadri's one good game and MacKinnon's one good game (goal scoring wise) the Blues held all their big guns in check....which, if you'd told me that prior to the series starting I'd say we'd have won the series. But, the AVs second tier players outplayed the Blues second tier players. FFS....the Blues had (9) 20 goal scorers and none of them showed up. Some of that was Colorado being good....some was our players just not stepping up. It is what it is....F it. Still burns my ass that we were missing Krug and Binnington as I think it's a different series with a healthy squad but that's the nature of the game.....and I'm still grumbling internally about he seeding method as one side of that bracket was lethal....the other not so much....anyway.....here's to hoping the poster boy league darling AVs get beat.
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The Count's Rangers are now about the only team I'd really be happy to see hoist the Cup.
They'd be the last of the remaining teams that I'd want to see win the Cup.
Edmonton: Beat the Kings, McDavid's a douche, Draisaitl too, and Kane is a prick.
Colorado: I guess they wouldn't be horrible, but I feel roughly the same about McKinnon as McDavid.
Carolina: Meh...whatever.
Tampa Bay: Absolutely the last team I want to see win and become the first threepeat team since...the Islanders in the '80s?
New York: No real rooting interest, but definitely the least objectionable alternative (I also work with a couple guys who are fans).
Is this serious, or just lingering bitterness for them beating your team? I've never heard anyone refer to either of these two like that.
I don't know. For most part of the season, I feel that they are not the types to crack a smile at times (even during their good times).
Now, in this video back in January during their slump, the reporter was out of line for asking this question, but Draisaitl must have shown something to be asked, "Why are you so pissy?"
Leon Draisaitl Gets Into It With Reporter: "We Have To Get Better At Everything" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjvF-l_yagc)
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The Count's Rangers are now about the only team I'd really be happy to see hoist the Cup.
They'd be the last of the remaining teams that I'd want to see win the Cup.
Edmonton: Beat the Kings, McDavid's a douche, Draisaitl too, and Kane is a prick.
Colorado: I guess they wouldn't be horrible, but I feel roughly the same about McKinnon as McDavid.
Carolina: Meh...whatever.
Tampa Bay: Absolutely the last team I want to see win and become the first threepeat team since...the Islanders in the '80s?
New York: No real rooting interest, but definitely the least objectionable alternative (I also work with a couple guys who are fans).
Is this serious, or just lingering bitterness for them beating your team? I've never heard anyone refer to either of these two like that.
I don't know. For most part of the season, I feel that they are not the types to crack a smile at times (even during their good times).
Now, in this video back in January during their slump, the reporter was out of line for asking this question, but Draisaitl must have shown something to be asked, "Why are you so pissy?"
Leon Draisaitl Gets Into It With Reporter: "We Have To Get Better At Everything" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjvF-l_yagc)
Draisaitl responded to Matheson, a HHOF inductee in the media category, something along the lines of "why don't you tell me what's wrong. You seem to know everything". In Dec-Jan there was a lot of local media starting to get on the "What's wrong with the Oilers? Here's my take" train, so my guess is Leon had recently read something he didn't quite agree with.
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Yeah, it was largely terrible questioning by Matheson. For additional context and follow up - https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/nhl-oilers-draisaitl-exchange-beat-reporter-matheson-captivates-divides-hockey-world-191850370.html
Oh, and of the few reporters that came to Matheson's defence, Steve Simmons is an even bigger douche-waffle. Toronto fans/players wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. Not that most non-Toronto fans care much about this market/fanbase though. :biggrin:
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Yeah, it was largely terrible questioning by Matheson. For additional context and follow up - https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/nhl-oilers-draisaitl-exchange-beat-reporter-matheson-captivates-divides-hockey-world-191850370.html
Oh, and of the few reporters that came to Matheson's defence, Steve Simmons is an even bigger douche-waffle. Toronto fans/players wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. Not that most non-Toronto fans care much about this market/fanbase though. :biggrin:
No disagreement here lol. I loathe Simmons. Loathe
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The Count's Rangers are now about the only team I'd really be happy to see hoist the Cup.
They'd be the last of the remaining teams that I'd want to see win the Cup.
Edmonton: Beat the Kings, McDavid's a douche, Draisaitl too, and Kane is a prick.
Colorado: I guess they wouldn't be horrible, but I feel roughly the same about McKinnon as McDavid.
Carolina: Meh...whatever.
Tampa Bay: Absolutely the last team I want to see win and become the first threepeat team since...the Islanders in the '80s?
New York: No real rooting interest, but definitely the least objectionable alternative (I also work with a couple guys who are fans).
Is this serious, or just lingering bitterness for them beating your team? I've never heard anyone refer to either of these two like that.
Little of both.
"Why are you so pissy, Leon?"
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Regardless of what happens tonight, I’m incredibly proud of the way the Rangers played this season. They exceeded all expectations and went further than they were supposed to. I don’t have much confidence in the Rangers to beat the Lightning in a seven game series (or for the Hurricanes to do it for that matter), but this team has surprised everyone all season. However this season ends, it was a success in my book.
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Too bad for the Canes that Antii Raanta didn't get hurt in the warmups.
Why is Frederick Andersson out again?
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Conference finals here we come!
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Too bad for the Canes that Antii Raanta didn't get hurt in the warmups.
Why is Frederick Andersson out again?
He’s even more injured than Ranta. Lower body. Missed the last 20 games.
Rangers had it good that they haven’t played against. #1 goalie yet. I predict they’re gonna get pasted by the Bolts
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Conference finals here we come!
Congrats!
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Were they really asleep or did the Blues just do a shoot job defending them? I think when you get two teams as good as the Blues and Avs, both teams are going to find a way to neutralize some of the best players on the other team and that is when the others step up. The Blues did a good job on MacKinnon for the bulk of the series, but obviously he had an incredible Game 5. On the flip side, the Avs did a good job against the Robert Thomas line for most of the series as well. That is why teams that win the Cup always get key contributions from the 3rd and 4th line guys, because teams in this league are too good and will find ways to neutralize the best lines at times. I won't be surprised if the Avs find a way to keep McDavid and his line in check for a good part of the series. It happens.
Blues did a great job. But they have been asleep all playoffs....it's not just this series. Rantanen has had a few assists here and there, but except for the cheap, last second empty netter....he has not scored by beating the net minder. You're talking about a guy who had 36 goals in the regular season. So 10 games in the playoffs 2022, and ZERO goals. The prior 43 games in the playoffs in his career....19. So it's not like the spotlight is too big for him. Haven't heard anything about him being dinged up.
And then Makar....he's had 3 goals, but clearly not playing like he's capable overall. I have seen him literally take over games. Now I have heard he might be injured....and we know you don't always hear to what extent for the obvious reasons.
Beyond that, I think it's easy to say teams are playing them tougher. They have had much greater success in other playoffs....you don't think those teams were playing them tough? And I think if you ask them, they would tell you they are underperforming.
So, I see this is a potential positive....in the sense that they have been so relatively quiet. Rantanen in particular. Makar's game is finesse and speed and maneuvering around the ice. Sometimes a series is super physical, and it can throw a guy like that off his game a bit. So I'll give you that....credit to the other teams. But Rantanen is a beast (they don't call him the moose for nothing). He's a big dude.....6' 4" and 215. He should be asserting himself out there. This series could be the one where he breaks out. If he does step up, and MacKinnon, Landeskog, Kadri, and Makar are scoring too.....then watch out Oilers.
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So basically, "if all of our best players are scoring a lot, we will be tough to beat."
That is quite the hot take. :lol :P
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^^ I mean all of their best players will be scoring a lot, but most likely, the Oilers' best players will also be scoring a lot. I don't think the shutdown tactics that the Kings, Flames, or Blues that were attempted is going to be applied here.
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So basically, "if all of our best players are scoring a lot, we will be tough to beat."
That is quite the hot take. :lol :P
Seems like Edmonton’s top 4 are already doing that. Also, Kuemper is 22/23 goalies in the playoffs in goals against above expected. Mike Smith I think I heard was 4th.
This series is gonna be rockin methinks. The lights and horns are gonna be blarin.
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I've joked with a few people I know who love to gamble that the Over in every game Oilers/Avs game is the way to go (6 1/2 for tonight, meaning the teams must combine for more than 6 1/2 goals), and I am good at making bold proclamations about wagers and then being really wrong, so get ready for a 5-1 Avs win. :lol :lol
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I think your over 6.5 is safe. :lol
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Did anyone else think of Gary the instant the officials upheld that Avs goal that looked offsides? :lol :P
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I didn't. i thought of you with the over/under.
Are you sure it wasn't 6.5 goals per period?
Mike Smith fucking blows.
And Wayne Gretzky with his blatantly dyed hair sitting on this panel is a bad look. Is he running out of money?
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If the Avs had a good goalie, these games wouldn't be close, but they don't. One thing is for sure: whichever team comes out of the East will have a big advantage in goal in the finals.
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I think your over 6.5 is safe. :lol
Definitely safe lol
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Fuck.
I would pull Smith right meow if I'm Woodcroft. .773 save %? No thanks
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Did anyone else think of Gary the instant the officials upheld that Avs goal that looked offsides? :lol :P
No but I did think of Gary just now when Kadri was "pushed" into Mike Smith. :lol
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Mike Smith is a very confusing guy to analyze in these playoffs. I'm willing to give him a Game 1 mulligan and wouldn't be surprised if they end up winning Game 2 and he did "ok."
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Er, I meant the Avs will score more than 6 1/2. :lol :lol
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This is like a replay of Flames / Oilers last series’ game 1.
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There is no way Mike Sieve can start in any more games this series.
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There is no way Mike Sieve can start in any more games this series.
Oh, but he will, and I wouldn't be surprised if he's going to be decent enough for the Oilers to pull off the win in Game 2.
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There is no way Mike Sieve can start in any more games this series.
I bet he starts game 2
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Agreed. Mike Smith is their guy, for better or worse.
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So are Colorado’s and Edmonton’s goalies really bad or are their offenses really good?
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So are Colorado’s and Edmonton’s goalies really bad or are their offenses really good?
Yes.
I'd bet next week's paycheque that Smith starts tomorrow night.
That was an entertaining as hell game. On top of "a distinct kicking motion", I can now add "puck possession" to the list of things that I clearly don't know what it is. While I understand the ruling, I still think it's bullshit. One of two things are going to happen next (or the following year). First, elite players are going to start practicing today how to carry the puck over the blue line without touching it for a couple of feet. Second, the league may redefine what constitutes "possession". I never thought that "possession" had to mean "puck touching stick".
Also, jingle.son made a great observation.... what the hell were each of Carolina and Colorado thinking heading in to this season - "Oh for sure, one half of the 2020/21 Arizona Coyotes tandem will be able to see us thru the playoffs". :lolpalm:
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I only got to really watch the third period, but man, another crazy Western conference series seems to be coming our way. Honestly I'll take either West team over any East team at this point, so the struggle for me is wanting that Avs/Oil series to go to 7 on one hand and wanting the winning team to be healthy and well rested on the other.
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So are Colorado’s and Edmonton’s goalies really bad or are their offenses really good?
Little from column A and a little from column B
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Rangers looking good. Definitely taking advantage of the long break vs only playing a day ago.
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What the fuck is actually happening right now?
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What the fuck is actually happening right now?
Your team has scored 6 goals on a goalie who only allowed three in a sweep in the previous round.
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What the fuck is actually happening right now?
Your team has scored 6 goals on a goalie who only allowed three in a sweep in the previous round.
But the Rangers haven’t played a real goalie in the playoffs yet.
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The week+ break sure did cool off Tampa.
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Yeah, which made G1 a Must Win for the Rangers.
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That was more than a victory. That was a statement.
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That was more than a victory. That was a statement.
That’s what the Leafs thought with Game 1 as well.
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If the Avs had a good goalie, these games wouldn't be close, but they don't.
Kuemper was a top 5 goaltender in the NHL during the regular season. So he's either choking from the pressure and the improved teams as the rounds continue....or his eye is really bothering him. So....let's review, shall we?
General Discussion / Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. 1st Round Playoffs (Golden Knights not allowed this year)
« on: May 08, 2022, 09:42:49 AM »
With the exception of Colorado, I felt any of the other #1 Seeds could be vulnerable.
Well, they might be up 3-0....and it seems like they are playing with a different mindset/confidence from the last couple of years. But..
- Kuemper's eye injury not supposed to be "serious", but he's questionable for Game 4. And even moving forward, it's difficult to know how it might affect him in the coming games.
- Francouz is a very credible backup, but initially you could see Nashville gaining more confidence when they tied it up at 2-2 in Game 3....the first goal against Francouz. Granted, Ingram looked human after a stellar 49 save showing in Game 2. But the goaltending musical chairs is not typically a good thing for any team in the playoffs.
- Even with Kuemper unaffected by the injury, the competition gets tougher in each round....and he has to prove he's ready for THAT as well.
So check this short video out.....
https://youtu.be/XjX1PEnwSYw (https://youtu.be/XjX1PEnwSYw)
So yeah, I made that potential prognostication on May 8th not as an excuse....rather a possiblility that has now come into play. Goaltenders don't pull themselves out unless there's a real issue.....they are like the MLB pitcher who thinks he can throw that next strike when the manager is ready to yank him.
If you watched him closely, he wasn't reacting AT ALL to the cross ice pucks that the Oilers kept scoring on. Granted, they were great passes, but he's usually SOLID between the pipes....so something must be going on between his!
But just for the sake of argument....let's say Kuemper is FAKING his eye injury because he looked bad (really?)....and he's playing his best. Other than the Blues Game 5 (meltdown by entire Avs team and yes, St. Louis fans....a very spirited comeback by the never say die Blues team!)...and the extremely high powered offense of the Edmonton Oilers...he hasn't been bad at all in the playoffs so far. He's obviously not on the same level as Shesterkin or Vasilevkiy...but his stats during the season were indeed #5 ranked. Do you think the Avs would have bailed on Philip Grubauer (who was 30-9 with a 1.93 GAA in 2020) if they didn't think Kuemper was the guy?
Ultimately, though.....no excuses. Avs will have to keep trying to outscore the Oilers against their porous defense....or Francouz is going to have to absolutely stand on his head for 3 periods. Which one of those two things you going to bet on?
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No way did the thought ever cross my mind that he pulled himself by faking an injury - no idea how anyone could ever think that of any NHL player - this isn't the NBA or Premier League, ffs. :lol
I just can't grasp how he played 6 games against the Blues, but then something happened mid-game with the Oil that brought this about. I'm not questioning/challenging it... I just don't get it.
And no, he's not a Top 5 goalie in the league. If anything was learned from Grubauer's departure, it's that this team that plays in front of whoever is between the pipes has a lot to do with the performance of said goalie. It just doesn't pass the sniff test to say Kuemper's a Top 5 goalie.
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Mark my words, I'm thinking Mike Smith is going to have a good game today and not just a game where the Oilers are going to outscore their issues, but I think he's going to pull through for them today.
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Maybe the Blues defense is better than some thought.
In six playoff games, the Avs scored 22 goals against the Blues.
In five playoff games against other teams, the Avs have scored 29 goals.
:eek :eek
I am setting the over/under again tonight at 6 1/2...for number of goals the Avs score.
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Well, at least, I know the Kings' defense (Doughty-less and warts and all) actually did decent enough against the Oilers to get three wins (and a shutout for Quick). Flames couldn't get more than one win against the Oilers and that's a team, on paper, that has everything better than the Kings in all aspects this year, or so I was informed. Hockey is weird like that.
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No way did the thought ever cross my mind that he pulled himself by faking an injury - no idea how anyone could ever think that of any NHL player - this isn't the NBA or Premier League, ffs. :lol
I just can't grasp how he played 6 games against the Blues, but then something happened mid-game with the Oil that brought this about. I'm not questioning/challenging it... I just don't get it.
And no, he's not a Top 5 goalie in the league. If anything was learned from Grubauer's departure, it's that this team that plays in front of whoever is between the pipes has a lot to do with the performance of said goalie. It just doesn't pass the sniff test to say Kuemper's a Top 5 goalie.
If you get poked in the eye with a stick....and it makes your eye swell shut....that can be pretty traumatic to whatever body part is damaged. Eyes in particular....they're pretty sensitive. But I think he has had moments of this bothering him since it happened. And who knows to what extent and when that may occur. I don't understand it either, but I respect that it could be happening. I think we look it as he took himself out because he was getting lit up. Yes....but I do think his eye was probably fucked too.
Agree he doesn't stand out that way....but mostly because the lion's share of his NATIONAL exposure (with the Avs, not the Wild) has been NOW...where he isn't playing quite as well. That skews your impression. If you watched every Avs game this year, believe it or not....he carried the team at times.
And I'm not going by smell/eye test....I'm going by stats. Here you go....you have to change the right hand box from playoffs to regular season....and then click. He's #5. I realize each site is using different criteria, but this one shows his value.
https://moneypuck.com/goalies.htm
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So the Avs played the Oilers defensively for at least one game better than the Flames did in Oilers/Flames. Funny how that works out.
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There is no way Mike Sieve can start in any more games this series.
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There is no way Mike Sieve can start in any more games this series.
He had a stellar 1st period. Lots of top-shelf saves. It's hard to fault him on the 1st goal (deflection; Nurse turnover). 2nd one was a perfect shot. 3rd - same, on an odd-man break. Didn't see the 4th. Doesn't matter how many stops he made last night, if you don't score any, you don't win.
Wouldn't surprise me to see him back in the pipes, or to see Koskinen. Saturday is absolutely a must-win.
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There is no way Mike Sieve can start in any more games this series.
He had a stellar 1st period. Lots of top-shelf saves. It's hard to fault him on the 1st goal (deflection; Nurse turnover). 2nd one was a perfect shot. 3rd - same, on an odd-man break. Didn't see the 4th. Doesn't matter how many stops he made last night, if you don't score any, you don't win.
Wouldn't surprise me to see him back in the pipes, or to see Koskinen. Saturday is absolutely a must-win.
He'll be starting game 3 for sure. At this point they're all in on Smith.
And I think these next 2 are essentially must win. I don't think they can take 3 straight against the Avs. As the old saying goes about 7 game playoffs "it's not a series until someone loses at home". Hopefully that's not tomorrow night
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There is no way Mike Sieve can start in any more games this series.
He had a stellar 1st period. Lots of top-shelf saves. It's hard to fault him on the 1st goal (deflection; Nurse turnover). 2nd one was a perfect shot. 3rd - same, on an odd-man break. Didn't see the 4th. Doesn't matter how many stops he made last night, if you don't score any, you don't win.
Wouldn't surprise me to see him back in the pipes, or to see Koskinen. Saturday is absolutely a must-win.
I didn't see any of the game, just the score. I was ...watching something else. ;D
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Back in 2012, the Coyotes won their first couple series BECAUSE OF Smith. This year, the Oilers won their first two series in spite of Smith, and there's no way they're talking 4 of 5 from Colorado.
I didn't see any of the game, just the score. I was ...watching something else. ;D
For a while, I was switching between the Celtics, the COL/EDM game and the Dodgers game. Fortunately, by the time I turned everything on, the hockey game was pretty well in hand, so I spent most of my time on the other two games.
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Back in 2012, the Coyotes won their first couple series BECAUSE OF Smith. This year, the Oilers won their first two series in spite of Smith, and there's no way they're talking 4 of 5 from Colorado.
Hard to argue that, really. And that's not a recipe for a Stanley Cup Champ. The goaltending concerns that everyone had for the Oil back in October are coming home to roost. I'm not sure a team can win 16 games this time of year without a goalie stealing 1 or a few games. I don't think Smith has done that yet, and he's certainly put them in positions of having to climb out of holes.
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But Mike Smith blows. How could anyone go into a season with him as their #1?
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Those Rangers kids are gonna be a force in the league for a long time.
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Back in 2012, the Coyotes won their first couple series BECAUSE OF Smith. This year, the Oilers won their first two series in spite of Smith, and there's no way they're talking 4 of 5 from Colorado.
Hard to argue that, really. And that's not a recipe for a Stanley Cup Champ. The goaltending concerns that everyone had for the Oil back in October are coming home to roost. I'm not sure a team can win 16 games this time of year without a goalie stealing 1 or a few games. I don't think Smith has done that yet, and he's certainly put them in positions of having to climb out of holes.
I mean he did ok against the Kings in Game 7 (not that he needed to try hard since they weren't generating dangerous chances) and he almost got a shutout in Game 3 against the Flames (the one where Lucic run into him, left for a few minutes, and then came back and let the only goal in to break the shutout).
That stated, I can't see how he can steal a few games against this Avs roster that has a lot of offensive firepower. I mean sorta want to believe, but we are beyond the point where believing Smith can do well is being delusional.
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Marchand out until after Thanksgiving.
McAvoy out until December.
Bergeron likely to retire.
How's that 2023 Draft Class? :lol
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Marchand out until after Thanksgiving.
McAvoy out until December.
Bergeron likely to retire.
How's that 2023 Draft Class? :lol
I hear really great things at the guy most likely to go #1, Connor Bedard. So much that I think some middling teams think it's probably best not to push so hard next season and maybe get a good shot at winning the draft lottery to get this guy.
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Marchand out until after Thanksgiving.
McAvoy out until December.
Bergeron likely to retire.
How's that 2023 Draft Class? :lol
I hear really great things at the guy most likely to go #1, Connor Bedard. So much that I think some middling teams think it's probably best not to push so hard next season and maybe get a good shot at winning the draft lottery to get this guy.
Hear that, Bruins!
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I mean if I'm a GM that's thinking of trading their 2023 1st round pick for whatever, I definitely would want that pick top 10 protected just in case something unanticipated happens.
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I just…can’t believe what is happening.
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I just…can’t believe what is happening.
Let’s see how the Tampa games go before anyone starts panicking.
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I just…can’t believe what is happening.
Let’s see how the Tampa games go before anyone starts panicking.
Oh there’s no panic here. Just excitement.
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Marchand out until after Thanksgiving.
McAvoy out until December.
Bergeron likely to retire.
How's that 2023 Draft Class? :lol
I hear really great things at the guy most likely to go #1, Connor Bedard. So much that I think some middling teams think it's probably best not to push so hard next season and maybe get a good shot at winning the draft lottery to get this guy.
Bedard is the next McDavid.
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Gee, then I wonder what Canadian team the league will hand him to. ..
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Oh, so this is setting up to where I will have to root for a NY team in the finals? Very funny, sports gods. :lol :lol
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Oh, so this is setting up to where I will have to root for a NY team in the finals? Very funny, sports gods. :lol :lol
Hey there’s still two games scheduled in Tampa, and two games scheduled in Edmonton for that matter. I want a Rangers/Oilers Finals, but I’m fully aware that the Avalanche are almost definitely taking the West and that the Lightning can very easily crush my dreams.
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Oh, so this is setting up to where I will have to root for a NY team in the finals? Very funny, sports gods. :lol :lol
Hey there’s still two games scheduled in Tampa, and two games scheduled in Edmonton for that matter. I want a Rangers/Oilers Finals, but I’m fully aware that the Avalanche are almost definitely taking the West and that the Lightning can very easily crush my dreams.
Come join me.
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Oh, so this is setting up to where I will have to root for a NY team in the finals? Very funny, sports gods. :lol :lol
Hey there’s still two games scheduled in Tampa, and two games scheduled in Edmonton for that matter. I want a Rangers/Oilers Finals, but I’m fully aware that the Avalanche are almost definitely taking the West and that the Lightning can very easily crush my dreams.
Come join me.
Oh I already lived through the atrocity that was the 2015 ECF. I’m not interested in a repeat.
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You know what Mike Smith's problem is?... He's too fucking tall.
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That’ll do it for the Oilers. For as good as Smith played tonight that was a brutal go ahead goal to give up in the third after they’d just tied it.
I don’t see anyone beating Colorado at this point. NY is playing good and have a hot goalie but they have to do what Toronto didn’t and not allow TB to gain any momentum. Bury them as quick as they can.
I’m rooting for anyone not Colorado. I detest that team at this point.
Oh and…….Too bad to see Kadri get taken out hard……karma’s a bitch Ain’t it kid?
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Yeah... I'm not holding out any hope of a 4 game comeback. Zero chance
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That third goal was brutal. Inexcusable.
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That third goal was brutal. Inexcusable.
Yeah, that goal ended the series. It reminded me of the 1st goal in the Tor-Mtl Game 7 last year ... soft shot right through the wickets (as Craig Simpson calls it). Totally deflated the team and the crowd.
Now, Colorado could be in for a rude awakening when they face either Vas or Igor.
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Yeah... I'm not holding out any hope of a 4 game comeback. Zero chance
It’s not impossible…..but….Colorado has played 13 games now and only lost twice. I think it’s doubtful that the Oil could run off four wins in a row but it would be awesome to see if they did.
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Oh and…….Too bad to see Kadri get taken out hard……karma’s a bitch Ain’t it kid?
I didn't see the game, but I saw the hit on twitter this morning. Kane definitely should get games for that.
As for Kadri, it is hilarious see Avs fans cry about it online. Yeah, it sucks when you lose one of your best players due to a cheap shot, ain't it? Now they know how we felt last year when we lost Faulk due to Kadri knocking him out of the series with a dirty hit.
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Oh and…….Too bad to see Kadri get taken out hard……karma’s a bitch Ain’t it kid?
I didn't see the game, but I saw the hit on twitter this morning. Kane definitely should get games for that.
As for Kadri, it is hilarious see Avs fans cry about it online. Yeah, it sucks when you lose one of your best players due to a cheap shot, ain't it? Now they know how we felt last year when we lost Faulk due to Kadri knocking him out of the series with a dirty hit.
Kane shouldn’t play again this season. That was a textbook instance of you see the numbers…..you don’t check….we’ve been teaching that to kids since they were Squirts.
But….I’m finding it pretty hard to feel sorry for the guy. Live by the Sword….Die by the Sword……as I said, his karma bank was pretty full and needed a withdrawal
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I think in a situation like this, the suspension should be multiple PLAYOFF games. So, if Kane gets five playoff games for example, and the Oilers lose the next game, he is out the first four playoff games next spring as well. If he has to serve the other four at the start of next season, that means nothing. You have to make suspensions like this really hurt, IMO.
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I’m still bugged that the Hagel hit (virtually identical) in round 2 of TB-Fla got no suspension, and was knocked down from major to a minor by the on ice officials.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i7aEVUtUBf0
On the hit last night, jingle.son and I joked that Gary must be really torn - happy about the hits but it was delivered by Kane. :lol
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😂. No crap! Two of the nicest players in the league!
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MacKinnon is loving the fact that two of the biggest pricks in the league are headlining most of the conversation this morning and his blatant, cheap shot slew foot is largely being ignored.
If he were on the other end of that play that’s all we’d be hearing about and whoever it was that did it to him would be golfing the rest of the summer. But it’s MacKinnon so it’s ignored and buried.
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😂. No crap! Two of the nicest players in the league!
I couldn't help but think of this Jesse Pinkman quote:
"So what if this is like, math, or algebra? Now you add a plus douchebag to a minus douchebag, you get like, zero douchebags."
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Guys, the Blues are out. Just sit back and enjoy the Playoffs. :lol
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Bergeron won his 5th Selke.
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Bergeron won his 5th Selke.
:metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
I'm glad it was a convincing win. Apparently his metrics were off the chart this year.
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Guys, the Blues are out. Just sit back and enjoy the Playoffs. :lol
Nah.. … why do that?
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Trouba has been taking stupid penalties this entire playoffs and it absolutely cost the Rangers today. There should be serious discussion about benching him, because you CANNOT make mistakes like that against Tampa.
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The Lightning looked like they were shot out of a canon in that 3rd period. That's why they are the defending champs, I guess. The hockey fan in me always wants more games, so glad it turned out that way. I would hate for both series this round to be over quickly.
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So the rumors are true. The Bruins have canned Bruce Cassidy as their coach. I didn't think there was really anything wrong with them coaching wise in comparison to Vancouver before Boudreau, Vegas, Oilers before Woodcroft, etc.
https://twitter.com/NHLBruins/status/1533946865988812802
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The talk was players were tuning him out. The real culprit is Don Sweeney who has failed at the draft for many years.
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Barry Trotz….come on down…..you’re the next coach of the Boston Bruins!
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I don't know. I don't think they're going to go from one hard ass to another.
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Honestly, I like Trotz as an option over what's out there like Peter DeBoer. Could be worst. I wouldn't wish for this to be their options, but the higher office could be old-fashion in bringing in either Torts or Babcock.
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Peter DeBoer? God I hope not. I actually want to root for the Bruins.
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I think Trotz would do well in shaping Detroit, tbh. The 'established' coaching pool is pretty thin. I think that's why we're seeing a lot more fresh blood - Woodcroft, Keefe, St. Louis as examples.
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I think Trotz would do well in shaping Detroit, tbh.
Yeah…..I could see that.
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I don't know. I don't think they're going to go from one hard ass to another.
Tortorella perhaps?
Peter DeBoer? God I hope not. I actually want to root for the Bruins.
If they sign DeBoer they’re idiots. He should never work in the pros again.
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No way on Torts. Sweeney needs someone to encourage the younger kids. Apparently doesn't matter if they're not ready...
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When it comes to coaching, for the Flyers, I have to look at Cassidy as a new exciting candidate. Trotz is the obvious gold centerpiece of the market, and if the Flyers can land him, you gotta do it. Past that I hope they go with a more unexpected or unorthodox hire, mainly because over the next 2-3 seasons they aren't going to be top in the league anyway.
As far as people I don't want, I would definitely include DeBoer.
Torts would cause me to root for another team for the length of his time with the Flyers.
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I kind of feel like Bergeron is going to retire, but I wonder if firing Cassidy is the first step to him returning.
Have the Islanders hired a coach yet?
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That is a little surprising about Cassidy, but it seems like hockey is a sport where coaches never last too long on one team.
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Only had a 245-108-46 record. Playoffs every year.
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Lots of rumors that Blues Assistant Coaches Jim Montgomery and Steve Ott may be targets for Head Coach positions. Montgomery obviously has done it……has thrived in St. Louis and says he’s ready to coach again. Ott has been great as well as an assistant so maybe he’s ready for the jumps to HC?
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Good lord….Smith just crapping the bed in this third period. All goals he’s let up were extremely savable. Edmonton thought the game was over
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Have the Islanders hired a coach yet?
Yeah Lou brought in the assistant coach, Lane Lambert.
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Good lord….Smith just crapping the bed in this third period. All goals he’s let up were extremely savable. Edmonton thought the game was over
He is beyond terrible. That goal that made it 5-4 Avs was just horrendous. This is why I gave the Oilers little to no shot to win this series, and why I said all along that Blues/Avs was the real Western Conference Final. The winner of that was obviously going to steamroll the winner of Flames/Oilers. The Oilers might steal one in OT tonight, but that just means they will lose in 5 instead of 4.
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Ehh….pi$$ on the AVs. All that Oilers series did was tick me off even more about Kadri taking out Binnington and lament the other side of the bracket being less difficult.
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Mike Smith is the oddest goalie ever to watch in these playoffs. For the first two periods, everything was fine. Made like 25+ saves in a 3-1 lead going into the 3rd. The 3rd, holy f***, that was a horrible period for him.
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The Avs goaltending didn’t look all that great either. Francouz looked small in net. That might be the Achilles heel against whoever they end up facing in the final.
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Francouz, at least, got a shutout in Game 2, so he's not all too garbage in comparison.
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Mike Smith is the oddest goalie to have watched in these playoffs. For the first two periods, everything was fine. Made like 25+ saves in a 3-1 lead going into the 3rd. The 3rd, holy f***, that was a horrible period for him.
He looked scared. Brutal goals to give up.
F’n Colorado is 12-2 in the playoffs! Haven’t lost on the road!
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The Avs goaltending didn’t look all that great either. Francouz looked small in net. That might be the Achilles heel against whoever they end up facing in the final.
I am hoping they lose so bad. Their team will lose a few folks after the season…..not to say their Championship window would close after that but they won’t be a powerhouse like they are now. Especially with average goaltending.
I think either NY or TB can certainly take them. But man, they are on quite the heater
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With the goaltending coming out of the West, I really NEED the Rangers to come out on top this series. As good as Colorado has looked offensively, their goaltending makes them vulnerable, and whoever comes out of the East can definitely take advantage of that, especially after a full series against one of the top two goalies in the league. If ever the Rangers had a chance to win the Cup, it’s now. And I really don’t want to root for Colorado, which is exactly what will happen if Tampa’s quest for the three-peat continues into the Finals.
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Have the Islanders hired a coach yet?
Yeah Lou brought in the assistant coach, Lane Lambert.
Ah that’s right.
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To touch or not to touch.
The superstition of not touching the conference trophy began with the Eric Lindros and the Flyers in 1997. Before that, everyone touched it (Lemieux, Gretzky, Yzerman, Messier, Sakic). So...should you or shouldn't you?
- From 1997-2021 (24 seasons), teams who DON'T touch the conference finals trophy are only 11-16 in the SCF.
- On the other hand, teams who touch the conference finals trophy are 13-8.
- In seasons where one conference champ touched the trophy and the other didn't, the team that DID touch it won the Cup 8 of 11 times.
- Western Conference champs have only touched the Campbell bowl 8 of 23 times (and Montreal did not touch it when the Habs won the Bowl in 2021).
- Western Conference champs won the Cup in 13 of 23 seasons. They touched the Campbell Bowl in 5 of those 13 seasons.
- Eastern Conference champs have touched the Wales Trophy 12 of 23 times (and Tampa Bay touched it when the Lightning won the Trophy in 2021).
- Eastern Conference champs won the Cup in 10 of 23 seasons (plus 2021 when both finalists were Eastern Conference teams). They touched the Wales Trophy in 7 of those 10 seasons (plus the Lightning in 2021).
- In seasons where both teams touched the conference trophy, the Western Conference has a 3-2 advantage.
- In seasons where both teams didn't touch the conference trophy, the Western Conference has a 6-2 advantage.
Conclusions?
None of this really matters, but it was statistically unwise for Landeskog to touch the Campbell Bowl, and it will be statistically wise for the Eastern Conference champ to touch the Wales Trophy.
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My anxiety is spiking. That can only mean one thing: it’s game time.
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I can feel the momentum shifting in this series. I can’t help but feel like the Rangers are in trouble.
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I can feel the momentum shifting in this series. I can’t help but feel like the Rangers are in trouble.
Come join me.
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I can feel the momentum shifting in this series. I can’t help but feel like the Rangers are in trouble.
Come join me.
Yeah.....I mean.....NY looked GREAT the first two, heck...even game three they played well enough to have potentially won that game. G3 was a game they really needed though, obviously if they go up 3-0 that's a tough road back for TB. But after yesterday's game TB looks to have found a groove now and Vasilevskiy is starting to settle in also so that's not good for NY.
It's a best of three now which can still go either way. I'd think these next couple games are going to be tight and it's only logical to assume that the experience of TB is going to start to factor in big time.....it's been fun hockey to watch though.
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Another late goal in the 3rd to lose the game for the Rangers. Can't obviously win games like that.
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Got a little testy after the final whistle blew. That was a tight game, both goalies were playing out of their minds.
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If you need me, I’ll be in my panic room.
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Yeah … all three goals were just players flipping the puck towards the net, and it made it thru a sea of players. The goaltending was lights out.
Methinks this is the end of the line for the Rangers.
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Maroon just showed a lot of class IMO because he was shoved into the goalie and instead of just dead falling on him he did all he could to dive/roll over him. Quite a few players would have deadfallen on him and tried to hurt him.
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Maroon and class should never be used in the same sentence. It may have been the smart move, but class had nothing to do with it.
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What a shot and goal by Stamkos.
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Maroon and class should never be used in the same sentence. It may have been the smart move, but class had nothing to do with it.
Nah. That was class. The smart move is to dead fall and try and knock him out if the game/series.
But I can understand your distain for Maroon given he was on the 2019 Stanley Cup Champion Blues who beat the Bruins :biggrin:
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Maroon and class should never be used in the same sentence. It may have been the smart move, but class had nothing to do with it.
Nah. That was class. The smart move is to dead fall and try and knock him out if the game/series.
But I can understand your distain for Maroon given he was on the 2019 Stanley Cup Champion Blues who beat the Bruins :biggrin:
First of all, that's a low blow. :tdwn
I think Pat Maroon is a fucking douche. There's nothing classy about him.
It doesn't matter who he plays for. He's one of my least favorite players, and the 2019 Finals has nothing to do with it. Nothing. He's a fucking dirty after the whistle shit stirrer.
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Maroon is a good guy, by all accounts.
Imagine rooting for Brad Marchand and then calling a player on another team not classy. :P :P
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So he'd walk a fucking old lady across the street. So would Marchand. As would Tiger Williams and Chris Nilan.
Whatever
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I’m somewhere in between. Just because someone doesn’t do something dirty, doesn’t mean it’s classy. And Maroon is a greasy player. I’m not sure he’s dirty, but he sure ain’t in the conversation around the Lady Byng.
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A goalie standing on his head and carrying the team on his back? An offense full of talent that can’t get anything going? A coach making questionable decisions in/for big games? Yup this is definitely Rangers hockey.
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I’m somewhere in between. Just because someone doesn’t do something dirty, doesn’t mean it’s classy. And Maroon is a greasy player. I’m not sure he’s dirty, but he sure ain’t in the conversation around the Lady Byng.
He’s a 4th line player who plays the role of shithead. He’s far from ‘dirty’.
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I’m somewhere in between. Just because someone doesn’t do something dirty, doesn’t mean it’s classy. And Maroon is a greasy player. I’m not sure he’s dirty, but he sure ain’t in the conversation around the Lady Byng.
He’s a 4th line player who plays the role of shithead. He’s far from ‘dirty’.
Yep, but if you had never watched hockey before and just read this thread in the last month, you'd think Maroon is a classless piece of shit and Kadri is a great guy who is just a bit reckless on occasion.
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If this ends 1-0 (or 2-0 with an ENG), this will be a bad break for Shesterkin. He has played great tonight, but probably should have stopped the one that got past him. That's playoff hockey.
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Pain.
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Pain.
Feel for ya buddy. That’s a heck of a run. I think the Rangers just got out-experienced honestly. TB knows how to win.
Now I’ll be rooting for them to throttle the AVs
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After posting shutouts in all four close-out wins last posteason, Vasilevskiy has allowed two goals so far in this postseason's three close-out wins.
Sounds like he is slipping. ;)
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The Rangers were gassed. After 20 playoff games with no breaks, injuries and exhaustion caught up with them against a juggernaut. While it’s disappointing to see them run out of steam after being two wins away from the Finals, and there were some coaching decisions made that I didn’t agree with (benching Kakko, one of the few guys who played well this series, was asinine), the Rangers went further than anyone expected them to this year.
With that said…pain…
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Tampa Bay just keep finding ways to win games in critical situations. Won against the Leafs in 7 after being down 3-2 in the series. Swept the Panthers without having Point. Won against the Rangers in solid fashion despite being down two games at the start of the series in an elite Russian goalie battle, again without Point.
Now for some fun facts.
This series will be the first time someone from the 2010s Draft drafted #1 overall will make a Stanley Cup finals appearance, Nathan MacKinnon.
This will be the 4th time in a row Pat Maroon has made it to the Stanley Cup finals. He has been with teams that have won the last three.
This is Corey Perry's 3rd time in a row at a Stanley Cup finals and doing it with a 3rd different team and the 3rd team he's doing it with is the team that have beaten his team in the last two cups.
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I’m somewhere in between. Just because someone doesn’t do something dirty, doesn’t mean it’s classy. And Maroon is a greasy player. I’m not sure he’s dirty, but he sure ain’t in the conversation around the Lady Byng.
He’s a 4th line player who plays the role of shithead. He’s far from ‘dirty’.
Yep, but if you had never watched hockey before and just read this thread in the last month, you'd think Maroon is a classless piece of shit and Kadri is a great guy who is just a bit reckless on occasion.
You two are incorrigible.
Tampa is a force. Putting in Strome over Kakko is certainly a head scratcher. Oh, and Ladrienerre will start the season next year from the press box for a couple of games.
Did finals gonna be good for the first time in a couple of years.
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Bleh...go Avs.
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TB in 6.
The AV's are certainly no pushovers and are exciting to watch and so on and so forth....but TB has beaten three TOUGH teams to get to the Finals. Colorado walked all over the Preds and Oilers and got their toughest competition out of the Blues who took them to OT and beat them twice at home. They've yet to face a good goaltender (for a whole series) Binnington nearly stole game one, looked great in the G2 win and was looking great leading game 3 when....well....no need to beat that horse anymore.
Bottom line is the series is going to come down to the AVs offense and TB's defense and team play and well....I'll take the best goaltender on the planet right now over some swift skating players....especially since we've seen those players can be and have been shut down. I don't think the secondary players for the AV's can beat TB like they were able to do against the Blues.
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TB in 6.
The AV's are certainly no pushovers and are exciting to watch and so on and so forth....but TB has beaten three TOUGH teams to get to the Finals. Colorado walked all over the Preds and Oilers and got their toughest competition out of the Blues who took them to OT and beat them twice at home. They've yet to face a good goaltender (for a whole series) Binnington nearly stole game one, looked great in the G2 win and was looking great leading game 3 when....well....no need to beat that horse anymore.
Bottom line is the series is going to come down to the AVs offense and TB's defense and team play and well....I'll take the best goaltender on the planet right now over some swift skating players....especially since we've seen those players can be and have been shut down. I don't think the secondary players for the AV's can beat TB like they were able to do against the Blues.
Bolded is an understatement. If they pull off the win, they will have beaten 3 of the top 4 teams in the league, and NYR was 7th - with a Vezina and Hart candidate in goal. Could be one of the greatest Cup runs in recent memory.
Colorado hasn't played a team with a top tier goalie yet (sorry ... trigger alert for Gary and Kev). This will be interesting to see how they fare against Vasi.
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TB in 6.
The AV's are certainly no pushovers and are exciting to watch and so on and so forth....but TB has beaten three TOUGH teams to get to the Finals. Colorado walked all over the Preds and Oilers and got their toughest competition out of the Blues who took them to OT and beat them twice at home. They've yet to face a good goaltender (for a whole series) Binnington nearly stole game one, looked great in the G2 win and was looking great leading game 3 when....well....no need to beat that horse anymore.
Bottom line is the series is going to come down to the AVs offense and TB's defense and team play and well....I'll take the best goaltender on the planet right now over some swift skating players....especially since we've seen those players can be and have been shut down. I don't think the secondary players for the AV's can beat TB like they were able to do against the Blues.
Bolded is an understatement. If they pull off the win, they will have beaten 3 of the top 4 teams in the league, and NYR was 7th - with a Vezina and Hart candidate in goal. Could be one of the greatest Cup runs in recent memory.
Colorado hasn't played a team with a top tier goalie yet (sorry ... trigger alert for Gary and Kev). This will be interesting to see how they fare against Vasi.
No trigger at all. Binnington was playing really good.....4-1 with a .947 save percentage and a 1.72 GAA. Like I said...he damn near stole game one and G2 he he played pretty lights out and was rolling in G3. And he wasn't playing near as 'big' as Vasilevskiy. That dude is just remarkable....and it's not like he's going to crap the bed for multiple games. Colorado might get to him in one game.....maybe two and that's a HUGE maybe.....but, when it comes down to it the only reason the last two games vs New York were even close was because of Shesterkin and how insane he was playing.
Neither of the AVs goaltenders can come close to that. Not to mention, a solid dozen of the goals that Colorado scored vs Edmonton were EXTREMELY savable goals. None of it bodes well for the AVs but hey....you gotta play the games.
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The Avs are a prohibitive favorite to win the series in Vegas (-190), and Vegas always knows more than we do, so get ready for the defending champs to go down, if for no other reason than to make this sucky 2022 that much worse. :censored :censored
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The Avs are a prohibitive favorite to win the series in Vegas (-190), and Vegas always knows more than we do, so get ready for the defending champs to go down, if for no other reason than to make this sucky 2022 that much worse. :censored :censored
Well…..the AVs are stacked….except in goal. It’ll be a fun series to watch
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Fudge, man. Bruce Cassidy is now the head coach for the Vegas Golden Knights. I was hoping that they would take another huge step back, but obviously that's not going to happen with this guy on the bench. This is a L for the rest of the Pacific Division.
Per Kevin Weekes (from the Tampa Bay dressing room, apparently).
https://twitter.com/KevinWeekes/status/1536814336206848007
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He's a good coach.
Eichel better be prepared.
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I can’t help but think that franchise is a tranwreck. I’d sooner go to Philly. But they’ll be stuck with Torts.
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Far be it from me to know what's going to happen. But I think the Avs goaltending will be better than what they've shown at times during these playoffs. In the two games they played in the regular season, Kuemper beat them twice.
Also, I think Colorado will find a way to score some goals against Vasilevskiy. Look for Landeskog to be hanging around the net.....looking to tip or find a loose puck somewhere. I think that guy is prepared to sell his soul to win a Stanley Cup.
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But I think the Avs goaltending will be better than what they've shown at times during these playoffs.
I don't know man....both AV's goalies have looked pretty average at best. Maybe they'll step up their game and rise to the occasion but there's no indications out there to lead one to believe that could or would happen. I don't think the AV's can keep the front of the net clear against TB like they were able to against the teams they've played thus far....Kuemper hands out rebounds like candy and that's not a fix that just happens....that's who he is.
In the two games they played in the regular season Kuemper beat them twice
Ehhh.....that means nothing at this point honestly.
It's going to be a fun series to watch....two great teams. You have the AVs who are just steamrolling along but DO have weaknesses that were exposed in the Blues series....and you can bet that TB noticed that and will utilize the info. Then you have TB who has the confidence and experience to know how to handle any situation they will see. They have the players that can compete with the AVs as well....it's going to be fun.
The difference maker will be the goaltending....that's not prophetic that's just a fact of playoff hockey. I don't see Kuemper outperforming Vasilevskiy in any scenario....and TB has faced and beat three goalies in a row that were far superior.
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Tampa in 5. Thus they have one series each that go 4-5-6-7 games. :biggrin:
Seriously though. TB in 6 is my true prediction. They'll split the first 2; TB will hold at home, lose game 5, and win the cup at home again.
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Seriously though. TB in 6 is my true prediction. They'll split the first 2; TB will hold at home, lose game 5, and win the cup at home again.
This is how I was thinking it'd go down as well when I said TB in 6.
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I'm rooting for TB, personally. I like dynasties when they don't interfere with my own team's success, and I would think 3 cups in a row (not to mention another finals appearance in '15) would qualify for that title.
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Well, if reports are to be believed the Flyers are in final discussion to bring on Tortorella as the next coach.
I've stood by the organization through a LOT of bad decisions, but I will not support a Torts coached team. So I'm accepting offers on who to root for in the next few years.
Straight out are Penguins, Devils, Rangers, Islanders, Capitals, and Bruins. Just too big of longtime rivals for me.
Canadian teams are out because I want at least some shot at a cup.
Tampa is out because that would feel like way too much of a bandwagon jump.
West coast teams are tough just because of time difference.
Some favorites are:
Florida, especially if Giroux resigns there. That said their disappointing play against Tampa and lame fanbase make that tough.
Carolina, a strong choice especially with a Flyers legend behind the bench.
Las Vegas, hard not to root for such a successful expansion team, though the way they treated Galant and some players gives me pause.
Detroit, before moving into the East they were always the Western team I rooted for, but not sure they are ready to take many strides forward yet.
Nashville, Flyers have always made a lot of moves with them and they seem like a great steady organization.
Avalanche, not a lot to dislike about them, but if they win the cup it would feel again a little like hopping on a bandwagon.
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Canadian teams are out because I want at least some shot at a cup.
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Why don't you just switch to the AHL?
Vegas is a trainwreck of a franchise (imo).
Go with Arizona, you can get their merch on the cheap, and it doubles as ASU merch too!
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Las Vegas, hard not to root for such a successful expansion team,
Actually, it's not hard at all.
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Well, if reports are to be believed the Flyers are in final discussion to bring on Tortorella as the next coach.
I've stood by the organization through a LOT of bad decisions, but I will not support a Torts coached team. So I'm accepting offers on who to root for in the next few years.
Straight out are Penguins, Devils, Rangers, Islanders, Capitals, and Bruins. Just too big of longtime rivals for me.
Switching allegiances to any of those teams would be a beautiful heel turn, though, especially the Rags or the Penguins!
Carolina, a strong choice especially with a Flyers legend behind the bench.
Detroit, before moving into the East they were always the Western team I rooted for, but not sure they are ready to take many strides forward yet.
I hear the Canes are just a bunch of jerks. ;)
As for the Wings, now may not be the best time, because Detroit media is celebrating the 25th anniversary of the Red Wings' Cup Win against the Flyers. However, if you get in now, you can get in before the bandwagon rush when they get back into their winning ways. GM Steve Yzerman is slowly building a team similar to his previous team now that he's got all of the bloat and detritus of the last few years of the Ken Holland regime off the books. This offseason will be key to the future direction of the team. Yzerman needs to nail the coaching hire, and he needs to continue to hit in the draft. His first two top picks, Moritz Seider and Lucas Raymond, are two exciting young players who stepped in to top line roles in their rookie seasons and have exciting futures ahead of them. Last year's first round pick, Simon Edvinsson, is poised to make the team this fall, and he plays a similar game to Seider. If he's anywhere close to how Seider performed last year, that gives the Wings two pillars to build their D around. They've got a possible stud in goalie Sebastian Cossa, who has backstopped his WHL team to the Memorial Cup tourney. They also signed 2019 6th round pick Elmer Soderblom, who has really elevated his game in Frolunda prior to coming over, and could be a late round steal a la Henrik Zetterberg and Pavel Datsyuk. He's 6'8" and 250 lbs, and has developed into a skilled center who has the potential to be monstrous at net front on the power play. I think they will be back in the playoffs within the next couple of years, even in a tough Atlantic Division.
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Coaches come and go like the wind. If I were you, I’d grit my teeth and stick with the Flyers. Who knows? You might be pleasantly surprised by the results.
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The way I see it is this. Torts may overachieve with this Flyers' roster within year 1 or 2 and maybe make it to the playoffs. Maybe do the unlikely and win a round. In the later years, that's when people tune out on his voice and speeches and then the team collapses and then management will be back to square one where they are currently. Hopefully for them, by then, Flyers management will have a different look and think, "We had Torts as our coach the entire time? WTF?"
I personally think he's a good fit for the Flyers where they are at right now (like Cassidy is a great fit for Vegas given where they are at right now). I just don't know if it's the right move that the Flyers need right now to be taken seriously in the future.
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Actually, it's not hard at all.
After seeing that Jessica Biel gif, I'm not sure I agree. :coolio
As for Vegas, not rooting for them is possibly the easiest thing in all of professional sports (next to hating the SF Giants and the Astros).
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My upcoming lack of support has nothing to do with how I think the Flyers will do on the ice. I think there is a good chance they will do better in the next year or two because of hiring Torts.
That said, he's an absolute garbage human being which I have no intention of supporting.
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My upcoming lack of support has nothing to do with how I think the Flyers will do on the ice. I think there is a good chance they will do better in the next year or two because of hiring Torts.
That said, he's an absolute garbage human being which I have no intention of supporting.
He really likes dogs though.
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My upcoming lack of support has nothing to do with how I think the Flyers will do on the ice. I think there is a good chance they will do better in the next year or two because of hiring Torts.
That said, he's an absolute garbage human being which I have no intention of supporting.
He really likes dogs though.
But he doesn't care too much about flashy plays like what Trevor Zegras of the Ducks did and the 1 on 4 goals that McDavid did. Which is honestly expected since he cares about players giving everything they got defensively, and he did complement the Bolts on their adjustments after their 2019 sweep and stated that "we" created a monster after the Blue Jackets swept the Bolts.
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Torts may be a piece of shit, as more than just a few NHL coaches may be. But he has won a Cup. That said, the Flyers have much bigger issues than the identity of their head coach.
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The way coaches live and die, it's not like any other guy is going to be there any longer than Tortorella's shelf life anyway.
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My upcoming lack of support has nothing to do with how I think the Flyers will do on the ice. I think there is a good chance they will do better in the next year or two because of hiring Torts.
That said, he's an absolute garbage human being which I have no intention of supporting.
There goes my Flyers wedding gift. :lol
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Is it me, or is Chris Chelios useless?
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Is it me, or is Chris Chelios useless?
Not just you.
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Ferraro is the one driving me crazy. He’s full on lube and edible undies for the AVs. Not even shy about fan boying out.
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Booo
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Thankfully, Canada has its own broadcast team.
Excellent game. I'm not terribly stuffed about who wins this - though it would make the Leafs' 1st round loss more palatable if it was to the eventual champs. I'm just enjoying the excellent hockey. Man the Avs are fast.
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I'm not terribly stuffed about who wins this
In all honesty neither am I.....I just like to have a team to root against and the AV's are a pretty easy target considering the whole Kadri thing.
It was a good game....Colorado came out flying as usual and it took a bit for TB to get their bearings. One thing that isn't mentioned much because the players will downplay it BUT....altitude is a factor when playing in Colorado.
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I'm not terribly stuffed about who wins this
In all honesty neither am I.....I just like to have a team to root against and the AV's are a pretty easy target considering the whole Kadri thing.
It was a good game....Colorado came out flying as usual and it took a bit for TB to get their bearings. One thing that isn't mentioned much because the players will downplay it BUT....altitude is a factor when playing in Colorado.
Yeah, I'd meant to mention that. It was quite clear Vas in particular was struggling at times - especially that 2nd goal. Even up to the puck drop at center ice, he was still gasping for air. Two more days ought to help, but it's definitely still a factor.
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I was right there with Cooper when the AV's were gifted that 5-3 to assure they scored on the PP.....super weak call....only call on that play should have been called a dive.
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Ferraro is the one driving me crazy. He’s full on lube and edible undies for the AVs. Not even shy about fan boying out.
Ferraro sounds like he is constantly fighting to keep his teeth from flying out of his skull while he's talking.
I've said it before, I'll say it again: please bring back Gary Thorne and Bill Clement.
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I've said it before, I'll say it again: please bring back Gary Thorne and Bill Clement.
Oh hell yes!!!
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Weeksie says that the Flyers will hire Tortorella, and that they're working on a contract.
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This can't actually happen can it? Those f*****s in Vegas are going to do it. They managed to clear cap space to spend for the offseason.
https://twitter.com/CanadiensMTL/status/1537549208458346497
The Canadiens have traded defenseman Shea Weber to the Vegas Golden Knights in exchange for forward Evgenii Dadonov.
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I am officially rooting for Vegas this year. Fuck the train wreck Bruins.
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Ferraro is the one driving me crazy. He’s full on lube and edible undies for the AVs. Not even shy about fan boying out.
Ferraro sounds like he is constantly fighting to keep his teeth from flying out of his skull while he's talking.
I've said it before, I'll say it again: please bring back Gary Thorne and Bill Clement.
I don't disagree with that at all. Thorne did a Kings game or two a few years ago while Bob Miller was transitioning into retirement, and it was great hearing him again. That said, I really like Ray Ferraro.
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Ferraro usually bugs me, but he really hasn't during these playoffs. Probably because he's paired with Sean McDonough who is awful on hockey.
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This can't actually happen can it? Those f*****s in Vegas are going to do it. They managed to clear cap space to spend for the offseason.
https://twitter.com/CanadiensMTL/status/1537549208458346497
The Canadiens have traded defenseman Shea Weber to the Vegas Golden Knights in exchange for forward Evgenii Dadonov.
Anaheim absolutely trolled Vegas with the response of "Are you sure?" I fucking nearly pissed myself laughing.
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Good to see Colorado gets their obligatory PP and subsequent goal to start t he game about 15 seconds after they got away with a blatant hook.
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Good Lord…..TB is getting throttled. They have no answer for the AVs right now.
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They'll be fine when they get to Tampa.
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This is like watching a minor league team.
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They'll be fine when they get to Tampa.
I don’t think the series is over by any chance……but TB needs to get back to sea level altitude. They look useless
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Why on earth is Vasilevskiy playing the 3rd?
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^^ Their backup is Brian Elliott. He’s not going to make this better and not going to salvage their pride.
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Seems like Cooper wants to rub this in his face. Like if you're gonna play like shit, you're gonna own the whole game.
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Seems like Cooper wants to rub this in his face. Like if you're gonna play like shit, you're gonna own the whole game.
How'd that work out with Patrick Roy back in the day lol?
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Letting in 7 is pretty rough, but the entire team is scoring zero. I wouldn’t bury the casket just yet.
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Letting in 7 is pretty rough, but the entire team is scoring zero. I wouldn’t bury the casket just yet.
Goes without saying that this Pretty much makes G3 a must win for TB.
It’s baffling how bad TB looked. The AVs are good and all but TB looked horrid. Hedman for TB had a horrific game….among others.
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Sloppy play from the entire lineup.
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DeBoer rumored to be close to a 4 year deal worth $4mil a year to coach the Stars. How does this guy keep getting hired? Are there that few people able to coach a Pro team?
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DeBoer rumored to be close to a 4 year deal worth $4mil a year to coach the Stars. How does this guy keep getting hired? Are there that few people able to coach a Pro team?
I think it's more like the pool of candidates that certain GMs trust to get the job done is pretty limited.
NHL coaches are pretty rigid in a sense that when some gets fired, they somehow end up with another team in short order.
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DeBoer rumored to be close to a 4 year deal worth $4mil a year to coach the Stars. How does this guy keep getting hired? Are there that few people able to coach a Pro team?
I saw that earlier. That's crazy. Still nothing from Trotz.
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DeBoer rumored to be close to a 4 year deal worth $4mil a year to coach the Stars. How does this guy keep getting hired? Are there that few people able to coach a Pro team?
I saw that earlier. That's crazy. Still nothing from Trotz.
It's relatively safe to say that if Trotz wanted to accept a job by now, he could have. He seems to be the one taking his time making a decision.
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DeBoer rumored to be close to a 4 year deal worth $4mil a year to coach the Stars. How does this guy keep getting hired? Are there that few people able to coach a Pro team?
I saw that earlier. That's crazy. Still nothing from Trotz.
It's relatively safe to say that if Trotz wanted to accept a job by now, he could have. He seems to be the one taking his time making a decision.
He’s just waiting on his partial ownership of the Red Wings to be ratified by the powers that be. I think Steve Y will get him
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I think for Trotz, I've been reading that he is going to end up in Winnipeg or want a more managerial role in Nashville.
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Lightning answering big time tonight!
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Whole different game at sea level
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Do not bury the casket just yet. Bolts will not quit on this series as it progresses.
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Tampa this morning.
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:censored Colorado
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In before epic Gary and Kev anger.
Edit: Or just after. :lol
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That was a fun OT. Kadri scored the game-winner with the puck stuck inside the top of the net. Like, that's a thing that can happen?
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No anger here. I have barely watched the finals because I am assuming the Avs are going to win. I usually check Twitter for updates.
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My anger is more at the utter salivation and knob slobbing that every announcer/expert is pasting all over Colorado. It’s reminiscent of the blind adoration the league and ESPN had for those 90’s Redwings teams. I mean, there’s a 50/50 chance that Messier and Ferraro took turns blowing every AVs player tonight after the game.
Colorado is and has been the best team……we all get it. But let’s not act like they’re the greatest thing since Gretzky. Every bounce they can get they’re getting…..lots of favorable calls…..they’re getting what the majority of the past Cup winners get…..all the puck luck and calls. That usually coincides with working your butt off as a team to win and they have been.
Just lamenting the fact that I now have a solid 4-5 years of listening to how much Cale Makars shit doesn’t stink and on and on and on……MacKinnon this……Landeskog that……makes me want to vomit. Not to mention that POS Kadri getting the GW goal and is going to have his name on the cup…..one of the dirtiest players in the game.
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Yeah, it’s only a matter of time now. Tampa is just too banged up.
Anyone catch the awards the other night? Best part, literally 2 seconds before it went off the air, as Thompson is walking back to the stage to say goodnight, he congratulates Matthews and says “Nice to see The Leafs winning something in June”. Lmfao!
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Crazy to think that when it's all said and done, it is likely that the Blues were the toughest out for the Avs in this run. And I am not one of those "I hope the team that beats my team wins the Cup so we can at least say we lost to the champs" fans. I want the team that beat the Blues to go down in flames (cue the Taylor Swift line from Blank Space), but it is what it is. I won't be watching any of it, so if I don't see it, it's like it didn't happen. :P :biggrin:
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Crazy to think that when it's all said and done, it is likely that the Blues were the toughest out for the Avs in this run. And I am not one of those "I hope the team that beats my team wins the Cup so we can at least say we lost to the champs" fans. I want the team that beat the Blues to go down in flames (cue the Taylor Swift line from Blank Space), but it is what it is. I won't be watching any of it, so if I don't see it, it's like it didn't happen. :P :biggrin:
Fairweather hockey fan, eh? :biggrin:
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Nah, if I wanted to ingest something that I knew was going to make me sick, I'd listen to Kiss or watch the Kartrashians.
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My anger is more at the utter salivation and knob slobbing that every announcer/expert is pasting all over Colorado. It’s reminiscent of the blind adoration the league and ESPN had for those 90’s Redwings teams. I mean, there’s a 50/50 chance that Messier and Ferraro took turns blowing every AVs player tonight after the game.
Colorado is and has been the best team……we all get it. But let’s not act like they’re the greatest thing since Gretzky. Every bounce they can get they’re getting…..lots of favorable calls…..they’re getting what the majority of the past Cup winners get…..all the puck luck and calls. That usually coincides with working your butt off as a team to win and they have been.
Just lamenting the fact that I now have a solid 4-5 years of listening to how much Cale Makars shit doesn’t stink and on and on and on……MacKinnon this……Landeskog that……makes me want to vomit. Not to mention that POS Kadri getting the GW goal and is going to have his name on the cup…..one of the dirtiest players in the game.
DUDE. I was just about to write the same thing. I'm not a fan of either TB or Colorado, but my brother is rooting hard for TB, so I am too by extension. I missed games one and three, and watched game two in a bar so I couldn't hear the announcers. I watched the second period last night and I was like "Wha?? Is Colorado playing anyone else, because all they keep doing is talking about Colorado this, and Colorado that!" You would NEVER know that TB is going for the THREE-PEAT based on the announcers in last night's game. I despite that (I HATE Jim Nantz to this day for doing that against Uconn back in 1999. 23 years to hold a grudge! :) :) :)).
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Even the Canadian broadcast was felating Colorado pretty hard last night - not necessarily the play-by-play, but the pre-game/intermission crew. If I have to hear Jennifer Botteril call Makar/MacKinnon "special" one more time, I'm gonna rage. What, did they ride the short bus to school? FFS, we get it, they've got elite level talent - we have fucking eyes, we can see it on the ice.
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Not one for excuses....especially since it was only a matter of time before Colorado scored in that OT....they were utterly dominating and Vasy is the only reason the AV's hadn't won already in OT.....BUT....Cooper does have an argument here. Even 'if' you're trying to use the excuse that MacKinnon was just coming off on a normal change....the other (5) players were across the ice and engaged in the play....this wasn't a close call at the bench between two players hopping on the ice......this was a blown call by the officials.
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^^ There was a lot of clear blown calls for both sides in that game by the officials that could have/should have been penalties.
I don't hear Cooper mentioning that his team got away with a similar spot last year. Oh wait, that's because in that moment, it favored his team, so there's no point bringing it up.
https://twitter.com/BradyTrett/status/1404978348124610562
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^^ There was a lot of clear blown calls for both sides in that game by the officials that could have/should have been penalties.
I don't hear Cooper mentioning that his team got away with a similar spot last year. Oh wait, that's because in that moment, it favored his team, so there's no point bringing it up.
https://twitter.com/BradyTrett/status/1404978348124610562
I agree…..there were many missed calls. The year the Blues won it Bostons game winning PP goal in G1 they had 6 guys on the ice. I think it happens a lot but it has to be egregious or something.
The AVs deserved the W because they decided to win the game in lieu of the Bolts who started playing not to lose in the third period.
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Please don't remind our fellow Boston co-horts of that series. I don't think they can forgive anything after Game 5.
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The Bolts have been on the benefit side of many questionable calls - in every series.
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The Bolts have been on the benefit side of many questionable calls - in every series.
That play in OT is not why they lost. They lost because they started playing 'not to lose' in the third period and the AVs started playing to win.
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Yeah, it’s not a good look when the coach starts blaming the loss on a questionable call.
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Please don't remind our fellow Boston co-horts of that series. I don't think they can forgive anything after Game 5.
I don't bring up 2019 to needle Joe and Tim (good guys, I wouldn't do that), but to still throw a celebration of sorts, as a big part of me still can't believe the Blues actually won a Cup. It just felt like something that would never happen, and then it did.
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You have 2011. Focus on that. :metal :metal
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It would be one thing if the Bruins were swept or lost in 5. But a loss in the Stanley Cup Finals is the most gut wrenching thing you can go through. Hockey is far and away my #1 sport so that stung. I has just gotten over the 2013 loss to Chicago. It took me like 5 years before I could watch a Blackhawks game. I think the 2019 Winter Classic was the first time I watched the Blackhawks play since the finals in '13, and now I can't even rewatch that fucking game because I know how that season ended.
The Islanders were my childhood favorite team, but as an adult, the Blues were my favorite non Bruins team in the league. I used to watch the epic playoff series in the 90's and 00's and I kept rooting for them to break through.
I looked forward to the Blues/Bruins games every year. I really did.
But until the Blues roster turns over, I can't even watch them play. I literally want to puke.
I remember the Bruins outshot the Blues 12-4 in the 1st period of G7, and the Blues scored 2 goals on shit shots. I didn't watch a minute after the first period. I remember switching over to the MLB network, and Greg Amsinger was hosting MLB tonight, and apparently, he's from St. Louis, and they were just watching a monitor of the hockey game. I fucking hate him now.
I wouldn't wish a Stanley Cup Finals loss on anyone.
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I get that, as I would have been scarred for life had the Blues lost that series, so it is sometimes better to lose earlier in the playoffs.
But the Blues first two goals were not shit shots. The first was an awesome deflection by O'Reilly, and the second was Petro scoring a nifty backhander after Marchand went to sleep and went for a change instead of getting back on D. Binnington definitely kept the game at 0-0 when the Bruins dominated for much of the 1st, but once the Blues got the lead, they never let up.
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They were both soft goals that Rask should've had. The Blues didn't even have to work for those goals.
My brother maintains that the Bruins didn't even show up for G7. I maintain that they did as they dominated the first period. Can't speak for the action in the next two periods because I didn't watch.
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I maintain that they did as they dominated the first period.
That they did and Binnington played insane....could have easily scored three or four goals in that period. He should have won the Conne Smyth and had the Bruins not scored that throw away fanned on fluttering shot in the last couple minutes he would have been.
Perhaps the two the Blues scored Rask 'could' have saved but they were far from soft. O'Reily's deflection would have beat any goalie and Petro's goal was just a nice shot.....and a courteous gift by Marchand who wanted to go to the locker room early. Still baffled at why he just jumped off the ice and let Petro have a free lane to the net.
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Rask always found a way to blow it at the most important spots. Binnington would've saved both of those shots that night.
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The second one maybe, but the first one was such a good deflection that if you are the goalie on a play like that, you just have to hope and pray that it hits you and doesn't go in. No such luck for Rask and the Bruins.
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Only in very rare circumstances would I consider a deflection a "soft" goal.
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Only in very rare circumstances would I consider a deflection a "soft" goal.
Agreed. NHL goaltending is 85% positioning and the second a shot changes direction it alters every angle the goalie 'thought' he was protecting. That goal Tim is referring to would have been scored on any NHL goalie....Boumeester's shot was going to either miss the net a tad wide right or be right on the post about a foot high.....Rask was sliding over to make the save and O'Reily tips it back against the grain.....literally nothing to be done there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEL0AUHqfZU
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It would be one thing if the Bruins were swept or lost in 5. But a loss in the Stanley Cup Finals is the most gut wrenching thing you can go through. Hockey is far and away my #1 sport so that stung. I has just gotten over the 2013 loss to Chicago. It took me like 5 years before I could watch a Blackhawks game. I think the 2019 Winter Classic was the first time I watched the Blackhawks play since the finals in '13, and now I can't even rewatch that fucking game because I know how that season ended.
The Islanders were my childhood favorite team, but as an adult, the Blues were my favorite non Bruins team in the league. I used to watch the epic playoff series in the 90's and 00's and I kept rooting for them to break through.
I looked forward to the Blues/Bruins games every year. I really did.
But until the Blues roster turns over, I can't even watch them play. I literally want to puke.
I remember the Bruins outshot the Blues 12-4 in the 1st period of G7, and the Blues scored 2 goals on shit shots. I didn't watch a minute after the first period. I remember switching over to the MLB network, and Greg Amsinger was hosting MLB tonight, and apparently, he's from St. Louis, and they were just watching a monitor of the hockey game. I fucking hate him now.
I wouldn't wish a Stanley Cup Finals loss on anyone.
This sums up my feelings on 2014 and the Kings quite nicely. I’ll never forgive that team for the heartbreak they caused me.
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Sorry, Count.
I think I've posted this before, but I have a friend who thinks the illegal stick penalty on Marty McSorley was somehow the result of some sort of nefarious behavior by the Habs. To this day, she holds a grudge against not only Montreal but against all Canadian teams and celebrates when the last Canadian team is eliminated from the playoffs.
For me, it was the Blues after the '96 playoffs. Dumbass Sean O'Donnell and Jamie "The Sieve" Storr!
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Sorry, Count.
I think I've posted this before, but I have a friend who thinks the illegal stick penalty on Marty McSorley was somehow the result of some sort of nefarious behavior by the Habs. To this day, she holds a grudge against not only Montreal but against all Canadian teams and celebrates when the last Canadian team is eliminated from the playoffs.
For me, it was the Blues after the '96 playoffs. Dumbass Sean O'Donnell and Jamie "The Sieve" Storr!
Well maybe she can get by knowing that if not for Kerry Fraser, they may not have even made it to the Cup Finals that year - Gretz should have been unlacing his skates in Game 6 OT, not scoring the winner against the Leafs.
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Sorry, Count.
I think I've posted this before, but I have a friend who thinks the illegal stick penalty on Marty McSorley was somehow the result of some sort of nefarious behavior by the Habs. To this day, she holds a grudge against not only Montreal but against all Canadian teams and celebrates when the last Canadian team is eliminated from the playoffs.
For me, it was the Blues after the '96 playoffs. Dumbass Sean O'Donnell and Jamie "The Sieve" Storr!
Well maybe she can get by knowing that if not for Kerry Fraser, they may not have even made it to the Cup Finals that year - Gretz should have been unlacing his skates in Game 6 OT, not scoring the winner against the Leafs.
Call it karma for Gilmour breaking Tomas Sandstrom's arm with a slash earlier that season.
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So I would call that first Lightning goal soft, but I'm sure my friends from St. Louis would called that shot perfectly placed with skill and acumen.
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So I would call that first Lightning goal soft, but I'm sure my friends from St. Louis would called that shot perfectly placed with skill and acumen.
Didn’t see it yet. I’m currently pretending I’m a teenager at a trampoline park and can feel my ankles nearing the snapping point. Was it tipped?
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So I would call that first Lightning goal soft, but I'm sure my friends from St. Louis would called that shot perfectly placed with skill and acumen.
Didn’t see it yet. I’m currently pretending I’m a teenager at a trampoline park and can feel my ankles nearing the snapping point. Was it tipped?
:lol
Um..no.
Through the seven hole. It was awful.
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Evenly played. The difference was a couple of leaky goals by Kuemper.
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Hoping the Bolts get a second wind and win the next two. Looks very difficult, the team looks completely gassed but fingers crossed.
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That was a good game. Both of the Avs goals were greasy - the first one was particularly bizarre. 1st and 3rd for the Bolts were the kind that an Elite goalie cannot let in - proving Kuemper is not elite. Tampa was ripe for the taking last night - they did not play terribly well offensively, but bided their time, and were gifted with a leaky goalie on the other side of the rink.
This could get real interesting if Tampa wins tomorrow, and the Avs come home with the case of the yips.
But holy fuck was that crowd jacked!
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I didn't see the game, but was happy to see that the Avs lost, if for no other reason than Avs fans spending all of that money on tickets to see their team win the Cup and then having to go home disappointed. :tup :tup
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Is it just my imagination or does TB have better stick and puck control than the Avs? It seemed like every time that passed the puck they lost control and turned it over.
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That was a good game. Both of the Avs goals were greasy - the first one was particularly bizarre. 1st and 3rd for the Bolts were the kind that an Elite goalie cannot let in - proving Kuemper is not elite. Tampa was ripe for the taking last night - they did not play terribly well offensively, but bided their time, and were gifted with a leaky goalie on the other side of the rink.
This could get real interesting if Tampa wins tomorrow, and the Avs come home with the case of the yips.
But holy fuck was that crowd jacked!
Wasn't able to watch the game....but watched one of those extended highlight packages....did look like a good game. I agree with you Chad that 'if' TB wins G6 that G7 will be a doozy. Kuemper has made some saves but it goes without saying he's not on Vasy's level. 4 of the last 5 goals scored on Vasy haven't been 'clean' beats they've been the 'off the skate...off a leg...etc etc' type. My point being he's looked pretty sharp whereas Kuemper has looked as expected. I know those dinky 'luck' goals happen but they've been sustaining Colorado and those are hard to count on and one goalie has been there done that with the pressure.....one hasn't.
It'll certainly be fun to watch and see....man, it'd be great to see a G7 between these two teams.
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All right, ESPN is showing the E60 for the Avs/Red Wings rivalry today.
https://twitter.com/espn/status/1540726514546839553
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Ferraro is already calling TB’s first goal a ‘bad bounce’. I guess if you consider a relentless forecheck on that shift and Makar coughing up the puck in front of the net a ‘bad bounce’ then sure…… :facepalm:
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Yep that was no bad bounce. Makar coughs it up on a good stick check.
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Makar is a great player, but it's clear that most of the hockey media wants to have his babies, so it's no surprise that they'd make an excuse for a turnover that led to a goal (just saw it on Twitter).
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Thankfully, I've been stopping caring about what National TV Broadcasters says about anything since forever. That's because the team I follow is non-Canadian, on the West Coast (where the majority of the so-called unbias reporters are asleep during Kings games), and the team is like the 5th most well-known in its location. Sometimes, that's the way I like it, but it can be frustrating.
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At 1:15...THAT was icing?? Who's the linesman, Scott Foster??
And then they made up for it! :rollin
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Tampa's reign of terror is over, but is this the start of Colorado's?
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Tampa's reign of terror is over, but is this the start of Colorado's?
They still got to resign a fair amount of guys and can't afford some of these guys due to cap like Kadri. Sakic will figure something out to find cost-effective guys.
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Tampa's reign of terror is over, but is this the start of Colorado's?
They still got to resign a fair amount of guys and can't afford some of these guys due to cap like Kadri. Sakic will figure something out to find cost-effective guys.
Or they could try to circumvent the cap like Tampa did last year.
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Tampa's reign of terror is over, but is this the start of Colorado's?
They still got to resign a fair amount of guys and can't afford some of these guys due to cap like Kadri. Sakic will figure something out to find cost-effective guys.
Kadri isn't vital to their ongoing success.
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Watching my first Cup presentation since 2012, and it's...freeing.
I have always loved watching the Cup being presented.
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Ugh, congrats whatever to the Colorados.
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I thought long and hard for what the title is going to be after the cup is presented. I'm going with this one. This guy has been a bit of a punching bag for a long time after he got traded by the Kings to get Jeff Carter and win it all in 2012, so it's nice to see him lift the thing (was the 5th guy to lift it after MacKinnon) even if he didn't score any pts in the playoffs.
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Ugh, congrats whatever to the Colorados.
Yeah….this. I’m happy for Eric Johnson and a couple of the older players but for the rest of them….blah.
Can’t wait to hear and read all off season ….all next season…..and all next playoffs until they’re eliminated about just how wonderful and perfect Makar, MacKinnon and Landeskogs shit smells.
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Glad I didn't watch the game, but the silver lining is that because the ESPN thing came out yesterday on the Red Wings/Avs classic rivalry, Colorado winning it last night probably pissed off a lot of Red Wings fans, so that makes me smile a little.
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All right, ESPN is showing the E60 for the Avs/Red Wings rivalry today.
https://twitter.com/espn/status/1540726514546839553
I really enjoyed this, but I wish they had done more about how the rivalry evolved into highly competitive hockey. After 98, the Avs eliminated the Wings in the second round in 99 and 2000, and the WCF in 2002 was a classic 7 game series. That said, it's interesting to see that Claude Lemieux and Darren McCarty became friends, while Draper still holds a grudge. The Vladimir Konstantinov stuff will always get me misty-eyed. I would love to be in the alternate universe where he played a full career.
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At 1:15...THAT was icing?? Who's the linesman, Scott Foster??
And then they made up for it! :rollin
Who's Scott Foster?
I thought long and hard for what the title is going to be after the cup is presented. I'm going with this one. This guy has been a bit of a punching bag for a long time after he got traded by the Kings to get Jeff Carter and win it all in 2012, so it's nice to see him lift the thing (was the 5th guy to lift it after MacKinnon) even if he didn't score any pts in the playoffs.
Ha! I didn't realize JMFJ was still playing (much less on the Avs). I liked him well enough when he was on the Kings, but damn, that trade for Carter was the best trade the Kings ever made. Good for Jack.
I was going to ask this as a trivia question, but I couldn't think of a good way to ask it that wouldn't either be way too vague or give away the answer. The 2022 Stanley Cup Final was the first time in major North American sports history that two teams with singular name competed for the title.
All right, ESPN is showing the E60 for the Avs/Red Wings rivalry today.
https://twitter.com/espn/status/1540726514546839553
I really enjoyed this, but I wish they had done more about how the rivalry evolved into highly competitive hockey. After 98, the Avs eliminated the Wings in the second round in 99 and 2000, and the WCF in 2002 was a classic 7 game series. That said, it's interesting to see that Claude Lemieux and Darren McCarty became friends, while Draper still holds a grudge. The Vladimir Konstantinov stuff will always get me misty-eyed. I would love to be in the alternate universe where he played a full career.
I didn't see the post until after the 1pm EDT airing. They aired it again at 1pm PDT, but I didn't realize that until about an hour and 15 minutes into it. I'll have to see if I can find it on ESPN+ or something because I'd really like to have watched the whole thing. Are Lemieux and McCarty really friends? From what I saw, it just looked like they had buried the hatchet and did that Q&A, but again, I didn't see the whole thing. Draper really came off as a bitter man from what I saw, and yeah, the Konstantinov stuff was hard to watch. I goodled something about him and saw that there was some sort of recent change in law in Michigan that might jeopardize his ability to receive 24-hour in-home care. Really hope his former teammates, the NHLPA and the Wings organization step up and make sure he's taken care of.
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I was going to ask this as a trivia question, but I couldn't think of a good way to ask it that wouldn't either be way too vague or give away the answer. The 2022 Stanley Cup Final was the first time in major North American sports history that two teams with singular name competed for the title.
That's quite rare considering there's only a handful of teams with singular names (Avalanche, Lightning, Heat, Jazz)
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I was going to ask this as a trivia question, but I couldn't think of a good way to ask it that wouldn't either be way too vague or give away the answer. The 2022 Stanley Cup Final was the first time in major North American sports history that two teams with singular name competed for the title.
That's quite rare considering there's only a handful of teams with singular names (Avalanche, Lightning, Heat, Jazz)
True.
Interestingly (maybe), it's happened 10 of 24 times in the WNBA.
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I was going to ask this as a trivia question, but I couldn't think of a good way to ask it that wouldn't either be way too vague or give away the answer. The 2022 Stanley Cup Final was the first time in major North American sports history that two teams with singular name competed for the title.
That's quite rare considering there's only a handful of teams with singular names (Avalanche, Lightning, Heat, Jazz)
Kraken and OKC. I think there's one more NBA team, but it's escaping me at the moment. There's a few MLB teams as well (the Sox's)
Congrats to the Avs and their fans. I'm mostly glad it's over now. Going this late into the "summer" has been frustrating me - it's hard to enjoy the nice weather evenings, watch anything else, or get workouts in without sacrificing all leisure/relaxing time with mrs.jingle.
Wonder who's gonna get HOF inductions today.
I'm eager to see if Dubas grows a set, and makes a big bet/move in the off-season, or just continue to tinker and try to find 'value' players. That's all he/Lou have done for 6 years (outside of signing Tavares - which imo is a boat anchor of a contract), and it ain't working.
More thoughts later.
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The television version of E:60 ‘Unrivaled’ will also re-air Monday, June 27, at 8 p.m. on ESPN2 and at 9 p.m. on Thursday, June 30 on ESPN.
This Wings fan is looking forward to the great and painful memories. The NHL network did a look back at their history of Joe Louis Arena a few months back.
btw...not upset at all regarding the Avs. Denver deserves it, and maybe it means Detroit will be there in the not too distant future. Since my move, only the Ravens-Steelers comes anywhere close to what the rivalry was for me.
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I'll be damned if while reading/watching etc etc the fallout from the Cup victory last night that I'm not feeling just a little bit happy for the AV's players. I mean, when you see the joy and accomplishment on these guys faces and the embraces and all of that emotion that comes with it all....winning the single most difficult sports championship to win.....it's tough not to feel a bit happy for them all.
Except Kadri. :censored that guy and the horse he rode in on. He is and always will be as dirty of a player as there is in the NHL.....it's a shame his name gets to go on the Cup.
95% of my distain for the AV's isn't even their fault. It's the media and the 'experts' and the way they just utterly orgasm and quiver when they talk about them.....it's ridiculous.
MacKinnon is just an incredible talent....Makar has the makings of a superstar but lets see how his career pans out (I hate when players are crowned and deemed 'the greatest' off of one or two good seasons)
It's a testament to the Colorado players that they won a Championship with Kuemper as a goalie. Dude is average at best and typically you need an above average goalie to win these things....but his team played their butts off to where all he had to be was average so it worked out for him.
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That was some serious shut-down defense they played in the 3rd. With 4 mins to go, Tampa only had 2 SOG - a dump in from center, and a Kuch one-timer that Kuemper had read perfectly. I think that's what I was most impressed with. Despite being the highest goals/game since the 80s Oilers, they held TB to 1 goal.
I'll say this, I agree with you Gary. Happy for many of them. Kadri... less so (but not nearly the kind of disdain you have for him). MacKinnon, I think he's a douche, and I'm basing it on one comment from one interview. Before the Oiler series, in a sit-down with SportsNet and asked about going up against McDavid, his answer had to do with the fact it will be great hockey, hopefully generate a lot of interest and revenue so it could drive the escrow down. He literally fucking said that in a recorded, pre-taped interview. smdh.
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That was some serious shut-down defense they played in the 3rd. With 4 mins to go, Tampa only had 2 SOG - a dump in from center, and a Kuch one-timer that Kuemper had read perfectly. I think that's what I was most impressed with. Despite being the highest goals/game since the 80s Oilers, they held TB to 1 goal.
Yeah....I didn't get to watch in real time....but....I watched an extended highlight clip and for the stakes of the game...being at home...you know TB was trying to bring it and the AV's just flat out denied them. Quite impressive.
I'll say this, I agree with you Gary. Happy for many of them. Kadri... less so (but not nearly the kind of disdain you have for him). MacKinnon, I think he's a douche, and I'm basing it on one comment from one interview. Before the Oiler series, in a sit-down with SportsNet and asked about going up against McDavid, his answer had to do with the fact it will be great hockey, hopefully generate a lot of interest and revenue so it could drive the escrow down. He literally fucking said that in a recorded, pre-taped interview. smdh.
I appreciate MacKinnon's talent....have always got the sense that he loves the adoration whereas other stars shun it....so that comment doesn't surprise me. As far as Kadri goes...I mean yeah, his history plus his 100% intentional run on Binnington will guarantee that I'll never have a nice thing to say about him. He's a POS player....plain and simple. There's really no legit evidence to the contrary. Him not getting suspended in 'this' years playoffs isn't evidence of him turning a corner....it's further evidence he's a POS being that is used as a reason why he's 'changed'...congratulating a guy for finally not being suspended (despite him still knocking yet another player out of the playoffs)
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I know Landeskog has the 'C', but that is Mackinnon's team. He took it on his shoulders and carried them in more than just a few games. And even though he showed frustration and maybe tried to do too much at times, his pace and passion drove the tempo/momentum for the Avs' style of play.
That pace overwhelmed the Bolts. Kucherov is the ultimate 'slow down the game and create time and space' kinda player, but he was smothered at practically every turn, getting his pass or shot off just a heartbeat slower than it needed to be. Hedman seemed to have trouble handling the up-tempo as well. There were times when he actually looked slow.
Fairly neutral on both teams, but I was pulling for Tampa simply because I'll be living there in a few months and I wanted to see the series go 7. But it was hard to pull for a team that took my Islanders out in 2 straight playoff years. On top of which, I hate Kucherov, who I think is kinda scummy.
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I was going to ask this as a trivia question, but I couldn't think of a good way to ask it that wouldn't either be way too vague or give away the answer. The 2022 Stanley Cup Final was the first time in major North American sports history that two teams with singular name competed for the title.
That's quite rare considering there's only a handful of teams with singular names (Avalanche, Lightning, Heat, Jazz)
Kraken and OKC. I think there's one more NBA team, but it's escaping me at the moment. There's a few MLB teams as well (the Sox's)
Wonder who's gonna get HOF inductions today.
Forgot about OKC and Seattle. Don't think the Sox count since, in both cases, it's short for "socks".
I think the Sedins get in. Beyond them I can't even guess. You could make a case for lots of players, but I feel that's mostly because this is a relatively weak class of newly eligible entries. Zetterberg? Wouldn't surprise me if he got in first crack. I don't feel like Luongo did enough in his career to warrant HHOF induction. This could be the year some long-time waiting players get the call (Barrasso, Alfredsson, Gonchar).
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MacKinnon, I think he's a douche, and I'm basing it on one comment from one interview. Before the Oiler series, in a sit-down with SportsNet and asked about going up against McDavid, his answer had to do with the fact it will be great hockey, hopefully generate a lot of interest and revenue so it could drive the escrow down. He literally fucking said that in a recorded, pre-taped interview. smdh.
Chad, I love you, but this pretty well sums up one of the things I *hate* about the NHL and its coverage. Anytime any hockey player goes outside of the canned generic responses and shows any individuality or actual thought people have to jump on them. And the result is continual awful interviews and coverage. Agree or not I'd 100% rather MacKinnon say that then the same lines a robot could produce for them at this point.
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I was going to ask this as a trivia question, but I couldn't think of a good way to ask it that wouldn't either be way too vague or give away the answer. The 2022 Stanley Cup Final was the first time in major North American sports history that two teams with singular name competed for the title.
That's quite rare considering there's only a handful of teams with singular names (Avalanche, Lightning, Heat, Jazz)
Kraken and OKC. I think there's one more NBA team, but it's escaping me at the moment. There's a few MLB teams as well (the Sox's)
NHL: Lightning, Avalanche, Wild, Kraken
NBA: Heat, Thunder, Magic, Jazz
MLB: None (although I saw one website that claimed that Red Sox and White Sox were singular!)
NFL: None
As far as the HHOF, I think the Sedins will probably get in, but I don't think they should. I think if they were not twins and had played on other teams and had comparable stats, neither of them would be getting serious consideration. On the other hand, I look at the NHL assist leaders, and the only players ahead of Henrik and not in the HHOF are guys who are active or recently retired, and the only guy within 10 spots below Henrik who's not in is Pierre Turgeon (who is also getting strong consideration this year). Daniel's case is much weaker than Henrik's. Of course, I don't have enough knowledge about their international careers to know how much of a boost they get there.
Other than the Sedins and Turgeon, you've got Zetterberg (I'd say more likely than not), Mogilny (why now when he couldn't get in before?) and Luongo. Luongo has an interesting case. He's 4th all time in goalie wins. The only other guys in the top-10 not in the HHOF are Fleury, Lundqvist and CuJo. Luongo is 42nd in all-time GAA, which is better than Patrick Roy, Turk Broda and Bernie Parent. Luong is 9th all-time in save percentage, which is miles better than Roy (59th) and Brodeur (43rd). Of course, when you see that Ben Bishop, Cory Schneider and Tomas Vokoun are in the top-15, you realize that SV% ain't worth all that much. The only knock against Luongo is the lack of hardware. No Cups, one SCF appearance. He was a 2x Vezina finalist and won the Jennings once (the year preceding the SCF run). On the whole, I think he gets in.
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Well...it's the Sedins, Alfredsson and Luongo (along with Finnish women's player, Riikka Sallinen, and Herb Carnegie, a Jamaican-Canadian, whose contributions seem to be non-playing-related).
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MacKinnon, I think he's a douche, and I'm basing it on one comment from one interview. Before the Oiler series, in a sit-down with SportsNet and asked about going up against McDavid, his answer had to do with the fact it will be great hockey, hopefully generate a lot of interest and revenue so it could drive the escrow down. He literally fucking said that in a recorded, pre-taped interview. smdh.
Chad, I love you, but this pretty well sums up one of the things I *hate* about the NHL and its coverage. Anytime any hockey player goes outside of the canned generic responses and shows any individuality or actual thought people have to jump on them. And the result is continual awful interviews and coverage. Agree or not I'd 100% rather MacKinnon say that then the same lines a robot could produce for them at this point.
Ehhh... I hear what you're saying, but I still think making a comment about your pay is a douche-y self-centred thing to say. Real "leaders" wouldn't make that kind of comment to their customers.
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Really? Given that the players owe a buttload of money (which is to be paid via escrow) and been undercut by the owners for a long time, might as well address it if you have the platform for it.
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Really? Given that the players owe a buttload of money (which is to be paid via escrow) and been undercut by the owners for a long time, might as well address it if you have the platform for it.
Well, given that they were paid last year when there were no fans in the stands for a ton of the season ....
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything - just sharing my reasons for my opinion of the guy. I'm sure there are a dozen+ reasons he's a terrific dude. But this one is fresh in my mind as a reason to think he's a douche. If it's just me, so be it.
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From what I read in various random articles, MacKinnon has that certain attitude (that can probably wear on someone if they aren't ready) that guys like Brady and Jordan (and before anyone gets on me in comparing MacKinnon to Brady or Jordan, I'm not comparing accomplishments. I said he possessed an attitude that looks like a winning mindset that those guys had) possessed where he pushes teammates to get the best out of them to certain extremes (especially when it comes to stuff like diet regimen).
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Just quoting from my Facebook, but I've made my decision:
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I've finally made one of the most important unimportant decisions in my life.
I swore that Torts being hired in Philly was the temporary end of my rooting for the Flyers, which I've done my whole life. That was the final nail in the coffin for an organization and GM that have just made myriad of bad decision after bad decision.
I was considering a couple of options, but I didn't want to have anyone accuse me of jumping on a bandwagon or abandoning my team just for something better. So I'm going with a rebuilding team that didn't even make the playoffs this year.
It's a team that before they got moved East in a re-alignment, I always considered to be the Western team I rooted for anyway. So for the foreseeable future, at least until Torts is gone...
Let's go Red Wings.
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(https://c.tenor.com/ZS1PJ2J4O18AAAAC/detroit-red-wings-moritz-seider.gif)
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So for the foreseeable future, at least until Torts is gone...
Let's go Red Wings.
That's Tortarella's next job after the Flyers fire him. ;D
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Now you can sit back and watch the Flyers go to Cup final in a year or 3. :)
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Now you can sit back and watch the Flyers go to Cup final in a year or 3. :)
Tortorella won't get them past the 2nd round.
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Now you can sit back and watch the Flyers go to Cup final in a year or 3. :)
Tortorella won't get them past the 2nd round.
I know. Just wanted to give Nick a little dig. :)
I’ve had friends who’ve switched teams only to regret it shortly afterwards.
The way I look at it, your team is like family. Douche players and coaches may come and go, but overall, they’re still your team.
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Now you can sit back and watch the Flyers go to Cup final in a year or 3. :)
Tortorella won't get them past the 2nd round.
I know. Just wanted to give Nick a little dig. :)
I’ve had friends who’ve switched teams only to regret it shortly afterwards.
The way I look at it, your team is like family. Douche players and coaches may come and go, but overall, they’re still your team.
I don't know. There are some hires I feel uneasy of as a Kings fan. I'm not too keen on Marc Bergevin (after him getting canned by the Habs) being deemed a senior advisor to the GM. Then again, I just hope Rob Blake and Luc Robitaille only hired him to get the good sides of him and reign in his bad sides. The team hasn't done anything stupid yet where I can blame Bergevin, but free agency is looming so we'll see.
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So...what's so bad about Tortorella? I know he's outspoken and confrontational, but he's only had three losing full seasons (out of 15) as a coach, along with one Cup win.
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So...what's so bad about Tortorella? I know he's outspoken and confrontational, but he's only had three losing full seasons (out of 15) as a coach, along with one Cup win.
Generally speaking every time I hear him talk as a coach and an analyst I like him less and less.
He also feeds into the we just need to play a tougher brand of Philly hockey mindset that is exactly what we need less of, not more of. Don't get me wrong, toughness and grit are important, but speed and skill are what the Flyers desperately need more than anything. I have no doubt Flyers will do better with him as a coach, but it's going to be lipstick on a pig. It's going to have them middle of the pack with no chance of actually doing better than that because the organizations much deeper flaws will be covered up.
There was the absolutely cringe Zegras comments from this past season.
And there is the comments he made in 2016 about players kneeling for the anthem that have long sat poorly with me.
Basically he's a dinosaur that will move the organization forward while moving the organization backwards, if that makes sense.
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All right, Rob Blake has gone for a huge swing for the fences trade. The Kings traded this year's 1st round pick and prospect from the Golden Gophers in Minn. Brock Faber for Kevin Fiala from the Wild. Signed him for 7 years at 7.875M a year.
I say it's a good trade. I don't know if the Kings need another 1st round pick waiting 2-3 years to mature to the big-time right now and Brock Faber is pretty expandable given the crop of RD the team has. The number on the AAV though is pretty risky. If Fiala's production this season with the Wild carries over to the Kings well, then it's worth it. Thankfully, some contracts will fall off the books year by year, and the cap is expected to go up hugely in a few years, so that will cushion things. More importantly, the Kings get a top 6 winger to help their offense out. Hopefully, he works out.
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Man, I don't know if it's a good trade or not but that's a legit exciting pre-draft blockbuster right there.
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Man, I don't know if it's a good trade or not but that's a legit exciting pre-draft blockbuster right there.
You have a very loose interpretation of the word. Big trade, sure.
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Man, I don't know if it's a good trade or not but that's a legit exciting pre-draft blockbuster right there.
You have a very loose interpretation of the word. Big trade, sure.
Fair. Still, cool to see in what would otherwise be a lull period.
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Man, I don't know if it's a good trade or not but that's a legit exciting pre-draft blockbuster right there.
You have a very loose interpretation of the word. Big trade, sure.
Fair. Still, cool to see in what would otherwise be a lull period.
Agreed. Though not unsurprising … with $14M in cap hit to shed, this is but the start of the Wild’s fire sale.
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So...what's so bad about Tortorella? I know he's outspoken and confrontational, but he's only had three losing full seasons (out of 15) as a coach, along with one Cup win.
He's no Barry Melrose.
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Man, I don't know if it's a good trade or not but that's a legit exciting pre-draft blockbuster right there.
You have a very loose interpretation of the word. Big trade, sure.
Fair. Still, cool to see in what would otherwise be a lull period.
Agreed. Though not unsurprising … with $14M in cap hit to shed, this is but the start of the Wild’s fire sale.
Yep....unfortunate for those fans. That was a solid team last year.
Huge trade for the Kings though....especially if Fiala isn't a flash in the pan and stays consistent.
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So...what's so bad about Tortorella? I know he's outspoken and confrontational, but he's only had three losing full seasons (out of 15) as a coach, along with one Cup win.
He's no Barry Melrose.
Speaking of Melrose, I got to see him coach his final game, which was a loss to the Detroit Red Wings in November of 2008. Wings were the defending Cup champs, and Tampa had just drafted Steve Stamkos #1 overall. My brother got us tickets in Tampa due to a tangential connection to Mark Recchi, who had signed with Tampa Bay in the offseason. So we had great seats in Tampa and there were a lot of Red Wings fans in attendance. Felt like a home game! Probably wouldn't be that way now!
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So for the foreseeable future, at least until Torts is gone...
Let's go Red Wings.
That's Tortarella's next job after the Flyers fire him. ;D
No way Yzerman goes anywhere near Torts other than as a smokescreen to mask his real preference.
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So for the foreseeable future, at least until Torts is gone...
Let's go Red Wings.
That's Tortarella's next job after the Flyers fire him. ;D
No way Yzerman goes anywhere near Torts other than as a smokescreen to mask his real preference.
The general understanding for the Red Wings was that they were waiting for the Lightning season to end before making any decisions because they wanted to include their assistants in the mix. At least one assistant has now flown to Detroit for an interview.
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Man, I don't know if it's a good trade or not but that's a legit exciting pre-draft blockbuster right there.
You have a very loose interpretation of the word. Big trade, sure.
Fair. Still, cool to see in what would otherwise be a lull period.
Agreed. Though not unsurprising … with $14M in cap hit to shed, this is but the start of the Wild’s fire sale.
Yep....unfortunate for those fans. That was a solid team last year.
Huge trade for the Kings though....especially if Fiala isn't a flash in the pan and stays consistent.
Agreed... my gut says he's another Jeff Skinner kinda guy though, not a Pastranak kinda guy.
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Rumor in St. Louis is that Jim Montgomery is going to be the next Boston Bruins Head Coach....
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That would be a huge redemption story. It would be one thing for him to make a return for the Coyotes or something, but to get another shot in a place like Boston is huge.
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So for the foreseeable future, at least until Torts is gone...
Let's go Red Wings.
That's Tortarella's next job after the Flyers fire him. ;D
No way Yzerman goes anywhere near Torts other than as a smokescreen to mask his real preference.
The general understanding for the Red Wings was that they were waiting for the Lightning season to end before making any decisions because they wanted to include their assistants in the mix. At least one assistant has now flown to Detroit for an interview.
According to Kevin Weekes, it was Derek LaLonde, which, based on his resume, would be a solid choice.
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That would be a huge redemption story. It would be one thing for him to make a return for the Coyotes or something, but to get another shot in a place like Boston is huge.
He’s been great in St. Louis……on and off the ice. Extremely happy for him if this rumor holds to be true.
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That would be a huge redemption story. It would be one thing for him to make a return for the Coyotes or something, but to get another shot in a place like Boston is huge.
He’s been great in St. Louis……on and off the ice. Extremely happy for him if this rumor holds to be true.
LaLonde it is, he's been announced as the Red Wings head coach. I don't know much about him except for what I've recently been reading, but anytime you can take something from the Tampa organization you have to be going in the right direction I'd think.
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That would be a huge redemption story. It would be one thing for him to make a return for the Coyotes or something, but to get another shot in a place like Boston is huge.
He’s been great in St. Louis……on and off the ice. Extremely happy for him if this rumor holds to be true.
LaLonde it is, he's been announced as the Red Wings head coach. I don't know much about him except for what I've recently been reading, but anytime you can take something from the Tampa organization you have to be going in the right direction I'd think.
I checked out his background after he was hired yesterday. He's been highly successful at a number of stops in various lower leagues before joining the Lightning 4 years ago. It's still going to be another year (at least) before the Red Wings are in playoff contention. Their backline needs a lot of work and they need to continue to develop offensively. It's hard to be patient, especially as a fan of such a highly-successful organization with a history of being in playoff/cup contention.
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That would be a huge redemption story. It would be one thing for him to make a return for the Coyotes or something, but to get another shot in a place like Boston is huge.
He’s been great in St. Louis……on and off the ice. Extremely happy for him if this rumor holds to be true.
LaLonde it is, he's been announced as the Red Wings head coach. I don't know much about him except for what I've recently been reading, but anytime you can take something from the Tampa organization you have to be going in the right direction I'd think.
I checked out his background after he was hired yesterday. He's been highly successful at a number of stops in various lower leagues before joining the Lightning 4 years ago. It's still going to be another year (at least) before the Red Wings are in playoff contention. Their backline needs a lot of work and they need to continue to develop offensively. It's hard to be patient, especially as a fan of such a highly-successful organization with a history of being in playoff/cup contention.
One of the things to be excited about though is they accepted what had to be done and are doing it right, unlike certainly other organizations. They are basically at the cap floor right now, so they can build, and if they see the right opportunity to trade for someone or sign someone they can, but they don't have to force it. They can build where appropriate.
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The main thing the Wings are missing is another legit Top 6 center. I think, last season, Dylan Larkin proved he can play top line center. I think Brad Lambert could be a great fit at 2C if he can put it all together, but that's a big risk that I don't know I would take with the 8th overall pick. Matthew Savoie would be a great pick if he's there, but I think he probably works better on the wing. Then again, Yzerman plays things so close to the vest that trying to project who he'll pick is a fools errand. The Wings have talent in the organization, but the big club is playing guys higher than they should be slotted.