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Title: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: Anguyen92 on September 10, 2021, 10:28:04 AM
Previous season thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55798.0

Training camp is upon us, but let us revel in what happened in this offseason.  Well, a lot of free agents signed for a buttload of money.  I think the final total of dollars in free agents for the league in the contracts signed has to be over $1 Billion.  Lots of "named" value defensemen had signed to some rather lengthy and huge contracts.

There are still some RFAs that are key players to their respective teams that still needs a deal.  Kirill Kaprizov (Wild), Elias Pettersson and Quinn Hughes (Canucks), Brady Tkachuk (Senators), and many others.

Will guys like Jack Eichel or Vladimir Tarasenko get traded before the season starts?

Also, the NHL stated that they will, reluctantly it seems, move forward with sending their players to the Olympics for the Winter Games next year.  However, and why the question marks in the title, it seems like they will have an out clause if certain things does not look favorable to their decision.  They will have until January to opt out, I think.

Anywho, let's us enjoy this full season and maybe we can go see a game or two live.  I'm looking at the Kings' weekend home game schedules and not many great matchups there for the rest of 2021.  They are playing the Habs on 10/30, but that's the same day as the DT show in LA, and I already bought the tickets for DT, oh well.

Edit: Shoot, I actually have a better subtitle in mind.  I forgot about Seattle.  We'll see what surprises they have for us in their first season.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: jingle.boy on September 10, 2021, 10:53:33 AM
First!  With preseason coming up, I'm glad someone finally started a new thread.

Don't think I'm going back in on my Sabres season tickets, given the US border is still closed to essential personnel only.  I have no idea how Eichel moves, and anyone 'wins' the trade.  That is the most fucked up player situation in the last ... long while.  No idea what the sticking points are for those outstanding RFAs, but I don't think the Canucks are going to see Hughes or Peterson sit.  Kaprizov might "sit" in Russia though.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: kingshmegland on September 10, 2021, 11:27:33 AM
Patrice Bergeron said he will wait until after the season to decide if he will play another season with the B's.  He's in his 18th season.  If this is indeed his last season, no one did it better, classier than he did.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: jingle.boy on September 10, 2021, 11:27:57 AM
Patrice Bergeron said he will wait until after the season to decide if he will play another season with the B's.  He's in his 18th season.  If this is indeed his last season, no one did it better, classier than he did.

Ain't gonna argue that.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: SchecterShredder on September 10, 2021, 03:06:22 PM
My group gave up our Oilers season seats before the 2019-20 season, and it honestly hasn't bothered me one bit. Will i miss going to playoff games? Sure, but i found myself not even wanting to go to regular season games because of the inconvenience (travel, cost -a beer or 2, parking if i drove instead of used the train, getting home at 11 or midnight and up at 5 the next morning). Having the benefit of hindsight in regard to covid, it makes it decision that much better. Sportsnet does a good enough job with the broadcast that I'd rather watch at home.

I'm optimistic about the Oilers. As was mentioned by others in the other thread, they're almost a lock for the playoffs in a weak Pacific Division. Overall, i think the team is better this year than last year, and I'll be surprised if they aren't pushing Vegas for the division.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: jingle.boy on September 10, 2021, 07:40:42 PM
Did I miss their trade / signing of a #1 goalie?? :neverusethis:
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: TAC on September 10, 2021, 07:41:53 PM
Patrice Bergeron said he will wait until after the season to decide if he will play another season with the B's.  He's in his 18th season.  If this is indeed his last season, no one did it better, classier than he did.

I would cheat on David Backes with Patrice Bergeron.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: kingshmegland on September 10, 2021, 07:55:47 PM
Patrice Bergeron said he will wait until after the season to decide if he will play another season with the B's.  He's in his 18th season.  If this is indeed his last season, no one did it better, classier than he did.

I would cheat on David Backes with Patrice Bergeron.

My boss said something to that effect when I let him borrow a CD from Sarah McLachlan.  He described listening to is like he was cheating on his wife.  LOL
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: Cool Chris on September 10, 2021, 08:15:28 PM
Ahem... it is RELEASE THE KRAKEN, not UNLEASH THE KRAKEN.

I played baseball, soccer, tennis, football, golf, basketball growing up. Watched them all on TV with my dad. He coached some of my teams. To me hockey was just a sport they played in Canada. I never bothered to watch it, learn it, appreciate it.

I am happy we have a team up here now, if only because it gets the region's sports fans something else to get excited about. With no NBA team, an MLB team whose playoff drought can legally buy alcohol, and only one top tier NCAA school within hundreds of miles, having another sports team is great. I love seeing people wearing Kraken gear.


* yes, I know I left out the Sounders and the Storm.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: jingle.boy on September 10, 2021, 08:21:56 PM
So, are you a hockey fan then?
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: Cool Chris on September 10, 2021, 08:58:59 PM
No, I am not. I wish I could say I have it an honest chance. But I never did. So I don't hate it either. I just don't have any opinions either way.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: Anguyen92 on September 10, 2021, 10:07:46 PM
Ahem... it is RELEASE THE KRAKEN, not UNLEASH THE KRAKEN.

Good, I get to rile up the Seattle guy then.  The unintentional plan is working in building a rivalry among this community in the crappy Pacific division.

I could change it to your line, or I could go back to my original line of "Going to the Olympics in Beijing?  Fingers Crossed?"  Or not change it at all.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: Cool Chris on September 10, 2021, 10:17:26 PM
Did you not read the rest of my post where I said I don't follow hockey? :p

Speaking of rivalries, it has always been a bit awkward here when it comes to rivals. UW-WSU is the best we have. In the pro sports, the closest teams are so far away. The Mariners have never really had a rival, due to both geography and 40+ years of sucking. The Sonics didn't really either, at least when I followed the NBA. When I grew up, we tried to think of the Broncos or Raiders as rivals of the Seahawks, but that was only because we were in the same division. Manufactured rivalries are no rivalries at all. We had the 49ers for a few good years because of Carroll/Harbaugh, but that is gone now.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: Anguyen92 on September 10, 2021, 10:22:46 PM
I did, I just choose not to focus on that part when making the response.  I mean, in your case, it's probably a good time to get into hockey with all of the newcomer buzz with the Kraken.  You are welcomed here.  Up to you.  The Kraken's closest divisional rival would be the Vancouver Canucks.  A team that has a fair amount of upside, and solid young talent, headed by a GM that seems to make a trade/signing that rips their fans' hair off every offseason.  I laughed at those fans a lot during 2011-2012, when the Kings had their cup-winning peaks, but it's just not as funny anymore.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: Cool Chris on September 10, 2021, 10:27:30 PM
Honestly if this was 10 years ago, I'd be all over this. At this point in my life, sports just doesn't hold the level of interest it used to. But then here I am, at 930p at night on a Friday, posting in the NHL thread on the discussion forum centered around a prog-metal band.  :loser:

I so hope a natural rivalry with YVR develops organically, and doesn't just exist due to proximity. It seems that has happened with PDX in MLS.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: jammindude on September 11, 2021, 12:38:35 AM
I have always been fascinated by hockey. But because of the LACK of coverage in a non-NHL city, it just made it more challenging to follow.

What’s going to be SUPER WEIRD is having to try and pretend the Canuck’s are “rivals”, when they’ve actually been the closest thing I’ve had to a hometown team for the last 40 years.

I remember the classic V uniforms. I actually dreamed of owning one as a kid, but you couldn’t exactly pick up NHL jerseys around here.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: SchecterShredder on September 11, 2021, 06:58:49 AM
Did I miss their trade / signing of a #1 goalie?? :neverusethis:
I said better than last year, not top Cup contender. Remember, last season Koskinen was going to be carrying this team heading into camp. The team is better at the start just knowing Koskinen might end his NHL career in the minors. There's serious talk that Alex Stalok use going to win the back up job
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: SchecterShredder on September 11, 2021, 07:02:38 AM
I have always been fascinated by hockey. But because of the LACK of coverage in a non-NHL city, it just made it more challenging to follow.

What’s going to be SUPER WEIRD is having to try and pretend the Canuck’s are “rivals”, when they’ve actually been the closest thing I’ve had to a hometown team for the last 40 years.

I remember the classic V uniforms. I actually dreamed of owning one as a kid, but you couldn’t exactly pick up NHL jerseys around here.

That's exactly how so many Western Canadians became Seahawks and Mariner fans. Seattle was the closest city with a team. Well, maybe the Twins are closer to me, but nobody cheers for the Twins. Nobody
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: jingle.boy on September 12, 2021, 07:41:11 AM
Did I miss their trade / signing of a #1 goalie?? :neverusethis:
I said better than last year, not top Cup contender. Remember, last season Koskinen was going to be carrying this team heading into camp. The team is better at the start just knowing Koskinen might end his NHL career in the minors. There's serious talk that Alex Stalok use going to win the back up job

The fact that the chips are in the middle of the table on a 39-year old Mike Smith to carry the load should be concerning (I would think).
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: SchecterShredder on September 12, 2021, 09:07:43 AM
Did I miss their trade / signing of a #1 goalie?? :neverusethis:
I said better than last year, not top Cup contender. Remember, last season Koskinen was going to be carrying this team heading into camp. The team is better at the start just knowing Koskinen might end his NHL career in the minors. There's serious talk that Alex Stalok use going to win the back up job

The fact that the chips are in the middle of the table on a 39-year old Mike Smith to carry the load should be concerning (I would think).
100%.

Everyone in town is honestly hoping that Stalock turns out to be like a Dwayne Roloson: long time in the league, but very little mileage due to his time as a backup. He's looking really good coming into this season. Soooo, basically we're putting all our chips in either a 39 y/o tender or a completely unknown darkhorse. Damn that's depressing now that I'm saying it.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: jingle.boy on September 12, 2021, 09:13:47 AM
Kinda like Jack Campbell last year, who turned out to produce the goods. It’s not a bad thing to hope for, and not totally unrealistic.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: SchecterShredder on September 18, 2021, 01:00:14 PM
Oil sign Yamamoto to a dirt cheap 'show me' contract. This could cause a difficult decision next year if both he and Jesse Puljujarvi have good seasons, as both will be RFA's next summer. If it means a deep playoff run, I'll still take it.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: Anguyen92 on September 22, 2021, 03:52:39 PM
Kings re-signed Cal Petersen.  $5M x 3 years that will kick in the season after this season.  I'm fine with it.  People say it may be too much money for a guy that hasn't started that many games (54 games in three seasons), but after this season, Quick only has one year left on his contract and the team needs to commit to a new starter and they deemed Petersen to be the guy for now.  He should be ok.  As for the team, it's a big we'll see and play the games out with the new guys they acquired and fingers crossed that their big prospects takes a bigger step/presence on the main roster and plays like it.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: Hyperplex on September 24, 2021, 06:25:06 AM
Eichel stripped of his captaincy amid ongoing dispute regarding neck injury/surgery. He failed his physical with a herniated disc in his neck. Sabres won't name a captain this year.

https://www.nhl.com/news/jack-eichel-stripped-of-buffalo-captaincy-placed-on-ir-with-neck-injury/c-326273214
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: SchecterShredder on September 24, 2021, 06:49:38 AM
No surprise there. You can't have a guy as captain who's been very vocal about not wanting to play for your team.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: DragonAttack on September 24, 2021, 07:51:56 AM
Meanwhile, regarding Covid and the Red Wings, you have this:

https://www.freep.com/story/news/health/2021/09/23/manny-legace-covid-19-henry-ford-macomb-hospital-detroit-red-wings/5831958001/

along with this:
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nhl/red-wings/2021/09/23/detroit-red-wings-tyler-bertuzzi-my-choice-refuse-covid-vaccine/5828912001/

Life choice, or a death wish.  Pick your poison. :facepalm:
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: SchecterShredder on September 24, 2021, 09:31:04 AM
Hopefully they give Bertuzzi the Rinaldo treatment and send him packing to the AHL. Big difference in player, though, between those two, so I doubt the wings will go that route. The oilers are keeping Josh Archibald out of camp for his vax status.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: jingle.boy on September 24, 2021, 09:52:48 AM
Rich.. your hopes for Stalock seem to be up in smoke.

https://oilersnation.com/2021/09/22/alex-stalock-is-likely-to-miss-all-of-2021-22-due-to-a-heart-condition-developed-after-contracting-covid-19/

And yeah... I hope teams take a hardline on unvax'd players.  Test 2 x daily then, mother fucker.  COVID can show up at anytime, so players better damned well be negative before engaging with other players.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: SchecterShredder on September 24, 2021, 10:10:17 AM
Rich.. your hopes for Stalock seem to be up in smoke.

https://oilersnation.com/2021/09/22/alex-stalock-is-likely-to-miss-all-of-2021-22-due-to-a-heart-condition-developed-after-contracting-covid-19/

And yeah... I hope teams take a hardline on unvax'd players.  Test 2 x daily then, mother fucker.  COVID can show up at anytime, so players better damned well be negative before engaging with other players.

For fuck's sake! I saw an Edmonton journal headline this morning about the oil's success being on the shoulders of Smith and Koskinen, but i didn't bother reading the article.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: jingle.boy on September 24, 2021, 10:57:04 AM
Rich.. your hopes for Stalock seem to be up in smoke.

https://oilersnation.com/2021/09/22/alex-stalock-is-likely-to-miss-all-of-2021-22-due-to-a-heart-condition-developed-after-contracting-covid-19/

And yeah... I hope teams take a hardline on unvax'd players.  Test 2 x daily then, mother fucker.  COVID can show up at anytime, so players better damned well be negative before engaging with other players.

For fuck's sake! I saw an Edmonton journal headline this morning about the oil's success being on the shoulders of Smith and Koskinen, but i didn't bother reading the article.

So you're saying a wildcard spot would be a successful season!  Damn dude, I feel for you.  I really do.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: Anguyen92 on September 24, 2021, 11:00:16 AM
Should shoot higher than a wildcard spot.  This division is so bad and that there's no way McDavid cannot carry them to top 3 playoff spot alone.  Post-season, different story.  It will be Canucks, Flames, Kings, and Kraken fighting it out for the final top 3 spot and maybe a wild card (but the Central looks better that I see 5 teams from that division making the playoffs).  Lots of question marks on those four could-be teams I mentioned that needs to prove something this season.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: jingle.boy on September 24, 2021, 11:09:18 AM
Knights (on paper) have a lock.  Oil should have a lock too... but if the Canucks and Flames get their shit together, and the Kraken gel out of the gate (including Grubauer playing like a Top 5 goalie), things could get dicey - especially if Smith plays like most 40-year olds do, and Koskinen plays like Koskinen.

I'd be nervous if I'm an Oil fan.

I'm nervous as a Leaf fan - I think they'll be fighting with Boston for #3, and the Metro could quite possibly have 3 teams squarely in the hunt for the WCs.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Unleash the Kraken!!!
Post by: Anguyen92 on September 27, 2021, 11:17:31 AM
Well, with the DT show being postponed, that left 10/30 opened for me.  I checked the available tickets for Kings and Habs and saw that the game was going to be at 1PM......  I could have done both in the same day without worry of overlap if the DT tour was still on in the Fall.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Preseason Galore!
Post by: TAC on October 05, 2021, 08:01:08 PM
Pasta has his own ...pasta!

(https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAPb59A.img?h=632&w=1123&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f&x=472&y=140)


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/bruins-star-david-pastrnak-launches-limited-edition-pasta-for-good-cause/ar-AAPb9rC?li=BBnbfcL
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Preseason Galore!
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on October 05, 2021, 08:10:07 PM
Will the Rangers be good this year? Should I get my hopes up? In a stacked Metro division probably not, but I’m nothing if not stubbornly loyal to my teams. Hey at least we’re back to the regular alignment and don’t have to deal with Boston in the division this year.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Preseason Galore!
Post by: TAC on October 05, 2021, 08:12:33 PM
I still can't believe Adam Fox win the Norris. I admittedly don't watch a ton of Rangers games, but I have literally never noticed him before.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Preseason Galore!
Post by: jingle.boy on October 06, 2021, 05:33:03 AM
Will the Rangers be good this year? Should I get my hopes up? In a stacked Metro division probably not, but I’m nothing if not stubbornly loyal to my teams. Hey at least we’re back to the regular alignment and don’t have to deal with Boston in the division this year.

I think they've got a very good shot at a WC, and maybe even 3rd this year.  I think Carolina and NYI are the top 2, but even though Pitt and Wash continue to age, they are still formidable.  Depending on how Boston and Toronto fare with all their changes, I have a strong suspicion the Metro could send 5 teams to the playoffs.

I guess we should all be coming up with predictions soon - both standings and individual awards.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Preseason Galore!
Post by: SchecterShredder on October 06, 2021, 06:42:14 AM
https://twitter.com/TheHockeyNews/status/1445548717445054464?t=yxWWX40zUsinnieCo6hZFQ&s=08 (https://twitter.com/TheHockeyNews/status/1445548717445054464?t=yxWWX40zUsinnieCo6hZFQ&s=08)

For the Evander Kane fans out there (jk, i know there aren't any).

I sure hope this clown is done in the league
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Preseason Galore!
Post by: jingle.boy on October 06, 2021, 07:00:03 AM
Yeah... he's a bit of a shit show.  It's hard to believe all of these allegations are unfounded.  Unless his ex is Nikki Minaj cray-cray.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Preseason Galore!
Post by: Anguyen92 on October 06, 2021, 12:10:46 PM
I just wish if we read news on Evander Kane that it's something positive towards his well-being. That's not happening much nowadays.

Also, yesterday's preseason Kings/Yotes was a huge downer.  Kings did everything well in the first 40 minutes to give me that hope that they look like a good team.  Byfield and Vilardi was creating scoring chances in most of the scenarios they were in.  Byfield having a awkward collision that resulted in what looks to be an ankle injury in the 3rd really killed the mood of the team pretty hard.  I just hope it's nothing too serious for Byfield.  Early thoughts doesn't look that way.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Preseason Galore!
Post by: TAC on October 06, 2021, 07:49:26 PM
Wow, Linus Ullmark fucking blows.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Preseason Galore!
Post by: jingle.boy on October 07, 2021, 04:29:28 AM
Wow, Linus Ullmark fucking blows.

So it wasn't the team in front of him for the last couple of years?

Ok... just watched the highlights.  You can't really fault him on goals 1, and 3.  The OT goal ... blame goes more to Bergeron or Marchand for both attacking Oshie right at the net, giving up a clear 2-on-1.  Honestly, Vanacek looked worse on the goals he gave up.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: Anguyen92 on October 12, 2021, 12:44:01 PM
All right, regular season starts today, I think.  I also updated the title since people are getting injured left and right or is on COVID protocol.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: jingle.boy on October 12, 2021, 12:57:17 PM
Matthews is gonna miss the first 3 games until he's fully healed from his surgery
Mikheyev is out 8 weeks (he's on the 2nd line wing).  The team has already put him on LTIR
Marner apparently got bowled over by Simmonds in practice, and had to leave the ice.  No one dropped the gloves to set Simmonds straight though.  Nice teammates!   :lol
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: dparrott on October 12, 2021, 03:02:50 PM
Let's get it Kraken!!!  :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: Anguyen92 on October 12, 2021, 04:15:18 PM
Found this commercial from MassMutual.  It's a nice way to breath some laughter out of a not so ideal scenario for Capitals fans where Ovi and Backstrom is on the shelf at the moment.  A commercial of Ovi and Backstrom lounging in Ovi's house.

https://twitter.com/massmutual/status/1447986675116699659

Edit: Even Misha Mansoor of Periphery liked this.

https://twitter.com/mishaperiphery/status/1448034223428751361
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: jammindude on October 12, 2021, 08:36:10 PM
Watching the Seattle Kracken on ESPN. Looks like we are continuing a Seattle legacy of coming out of the gate as losers. LOL

Is anyone else getting a weird echo from the play on the ice?
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: TAC on October 12, 2021, 08:37:35 PM
Oh shit, it's 2-0 already. :lol They had such a great first shift too.

I went back to the baseball game after the PP.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: Cool Chris on October 12, 2021, 08:47:44 PM
Watching the Seattle Kracken on ESPN. Looks like we are continuing a Seattle legacy of coming out of the gate as losers. LOL

We have 5 players, and the radio play-by-play guy, in Covid protocol. How fail is that?!
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: TAC on October 12, 2021, 08:49:53 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: jammindude on October 12, 2021, 09:03:49 PM
In spite of the score, I really like the way they’re playing. Very aggressive, and they’ve had some good opportunities that just got a bad bounce.

That missed breakaway broke my heart. That would have been a fantastic “1st goal in franchise history.”
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: TAC on October 12, 2021, 09:05:19 PM
In spite of the score, I really like the way they’re playing. Very aggressive, and they’ve had some good opportunities that just got a bad bounce.

That missed breakaway broke my heart. That would have been a fantastic “1st goal in franchise history.”


First broken heart in franchise history. :lol
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: jammindude on October 12, 2021, 09:08:24 PM
In spite of the score, I really like the way they’re playing. Very aggressive, and they’ve had some good opportunities that just got a bad bounce.

That missed breakaway broke my heart. That would have been a fantastic “1st goal in franchise history.”


First broken heart in franchise history. :lol


I’m sure there will be many many more.  ::)
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: jammindude on October 12, 2021, 09:57:45 PM
This game suddenly got interesting
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: jammindude on October 12, 2021, 10:29:50 PM
TIED!!!
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: Anguyen92 on October 12, 2021, 10:34:44 PM
^^ Only for a brief moment sadly.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: jammindude on October 12, 2021, 10:52:19 PM
Well…at least they made it interesting
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: jingle.boy on October 13, 2021, 06:19:30 AM
I watched the first period, then caught the recap this morning.  Looks like it was at least a more entertaining game than Pitt/TB.  Kraken looked pretty competitive against what (should be) a top-5 team in the league.   :tup
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: KevShmev on October 13, 2021, 05:37:29 PM
In spite of the score, I really like the way they’re playing. Very aggressive, and they’ve had some good opportunities that just got a bad bounce.

That missed breakaway broke my heart. That would have been a fantastic “1st goal in franchise history.”


First broken heart in franchise history. :lol

Crushing hockey losses are 10 times worse than in any other team sport.  I've experienced plenty of crushing losses in both baseball (back when I cared about it) and football, but none of them compare to the most crushing Blues losses, of which there have been way too many.  :facepalm: :facepalm: :lol :lol
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: TAC on October 13, 2021, 07:53:42 PM
Feisty third period tonight between the Habs/Leafs. It's a shame both teams can't lose.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: jingle.boy on October 14, 2021, 04:33:02 AM
Feisty third period tonight between the Habs/Leafs. It's a shame both teams can't lose.

Suck on it.  Leafs are on pace for an 82-win season.  Woohoo!!!!  First couple periods looked like pre-season, but the third was a banger.

Also, I didn't mention it yesterday, but how in the hell was that winning goal by Stephson on Tuesday not ruled a kick??  I personally think any 're-directing' motion should be disallowed, but I get that players can do that.  It looked pretty fucking clear to me that his foot had a forward motion and the blade came off the ice.  If that's not a kicked in goal, I don't know what is.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: jingle.boy on October 14, 2021, 09:33:44 AM
Ok, time for some predictions then.  Meant to do this earlier, but it's been a crazy week with work.

Atlantic
1. Tampa
2. Florida
3. Toronto

4. Boston
5. Montreal
6. Ottawa
7. Detroit
8. Buffalo

Ottawa might sneak past Montreal, and I'm not going to rule out Boston finishing ahead of Toronto

Metropolitan
1. New York Islanders
2. Washington
3. Carolina
4. Philadelphia
5a. Pittsburgh
5b. New York Rangers

7. New Jersey
8. Columbus

I think it's a coin toss between Pitt/NYR - depends now much Pitt can hold on thru the first few weeks without Sid and Gino.

Central
1. Colorado
2. Winnipeg
3. Chicago
4. Dallas

5a. Minnesota
5b. St. Louis
7. Nashville
8. Arizona

There's a lot of change in Minnesota, so I'm not entirely confident they'll make it in.  I think Chicago is gonna have a pretty significant improvement.

West
1. Vegas
2. Vancouver
3. Edmonton
4. Seattle

5. Calgary
6. LA
7. San Jose
8. Anaheim

I'm going bold with the Kraken and Canuck rankings.  I wouldn't be surprised if 5 teams from the Central get in.

Awards:
Hart - McJesus (Matthews, Barkov)
Art Ross - McJesus (Panarin, Point)
Rocket - Matthews (Debrincat, Rantanen)
Norris - Makar (Hedman, Jones)
Vezina - Vasilevsky (Lehner, Varlamov or Sorokin ... whoever wins the #1 job)
Adams - Colliton (Gallant, Green)
Calder - Caufield (no clue)
Selke - no clue
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: jammindude on October 14, 2021, 08:58:02 PM
:victorydance:

Congratulations to the Kraken! It’s not often a guy gets to celebrate the first NHL win in his hometown’s history!!!

Sure wish they hadn’t been SOOOOO conservative in the 3rd period. Exactly ONE shot on goal in the entire 3rd period. (An empty net goal) But you can’t put a one goal lead entirely on the shoulders of your defense/goalie like that.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: jingle.boy on October 14, 2021, 09:13:39 PM
Sens / Leafs game was crazy.  Leafs were asleep in the 1st 10 minutes, then gave up 2 unfortunate late goals; were in a coma in the 2nd; then then poured it on in the third like as though their gameplan was rope-a-dope.  Check out this SOG line:

Tor - 17 / 6 / 25 -- 48
Ott - 12 / 14 / 10 -- 36

Forsberg (Sens goalie) played like a Vezina candidate.  At one point in the 3rd, SOG were 12-0 for the Leafs, and they had 8 on the PP where they got their first goal.  Just gotta say, I clearly don't know what defines a "kicking motion", or my interpretation of the word "kick" is very different than the NHL's.  Also, apparently lifting a players stick is a hooking penalty (which the Leafs were called for twice).

Looks like the Red Wings/Bolts game was bonkers too! 

Montreal blown out by Buffalo; Coyotes blown out by Columbus.  Battle of the shit-kicker teams right there.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: Anguyen92 on October 14, 2021, 11:46:39 PM
Can't ask for a better start than in today's game for the Kings against the Golden Knights.  Kopitar came rolling with a 5 point game (includes a hat trick).  For this team to do well, everything needs to go right regarding the old guys (Kopitar, Brown, Doughtry, Quick when he starts) and hope the young guys and the in-between gets better.  Their signing of Vladimir Tkachev could be a shot in the arm they needed in regards to their power play.

https://twitter.com/LAKings/status/1448878807541174275
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: TAC on October 15, 2021, 09:27:24 AM
Charlie McAvoy. 8 x 9.5. Wow!
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: pg1067 on October 15, 2021, 09:30:31 AM
Can't ask for a better start than in today's game for the Kings against the Golden Knights.  Kopitar came rolling with a 5 point game (includes a hat trick).  For this team to do well, everything needs to go right regarding the old guys (Kopitar, Brown, Doughtry, Quick when he starts) and hope the young guys and the in-between gets better.  Their signing of Vladimir Tkachev could be a shot in the arm they needed in regards to their power play.

https://twitter.com/LAKings/status/1448878807541174275

I didn't see a second of the game because of baseball, but damn, that's nice.

And fuck Seattle in fourth place all to hell.  The aberration of Vegas aside, an expansion team must finish last.  Demanded by the hockey gods it is!
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: jingle.boy on October 15, 2021, 10:17:50 AM
Charlie McAvoy. 8 x 9.5. Wow!

I'm just gonna post what I had from the last thread at the FA signings:

Hamilton contract is great for him, terrible for the Devils.  He's a $6-$7 guy at most.  D-men who are UFAs next year are licking their chops (see, Morgan Reilly, Darnell Nurse, Parayko, Werenski, McAvoy, Klingberg).

Yup... Nurse and McAvoy should both send Hamilton and his agent a Rolex.  Werenski and Klingberg are guaranteed $9M AAV paydays now.  Reilly and Parayko might be in the $8-$9 range depending on what kind of year they have.

McAvoy is not on par with Point, Kuch, or Vasilevsky.  I know, I know... different positions, but in terms of value to the team, skill, and what he's accomplished ... not even close.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: Anguyen92 on October 15, 2021, 02:00:16 PM
Parayko already got extended beyond 2022.  AAV is $6,500,000 for 8 years.  Found the Twitter confirmation in the Capfriendly link.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/colton-parayko

https://twitter.com/andystrickland/status/1433162561483165702
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: jingle.boy on October 15, 2021, 02:59:37 PM
Parayko already got extended beyond 2022.  AAV is $6,500,000 for 8 years.  Found the Twitter confirmation in the Capfriendly link.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/colton-parayko

https://twitter.com/andystrickland/status/1433162561483165702

I either missed that, or completely forgot about it.  That's a very good contract for the team, imo - especially seeing what others are getting.  Sure, he's not gonna put up the kind of points that a McAvoy is bound to, but he's going to be a crucial part of the D-line for the Blues.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: TAC on October 15, 2021, 03:03:29 PM
Mac's points should improve, as he's not really had a lot of PP time playing behind Krug and Gryzlchk on the first unit.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: axeman90210 on October 16, 2021, 08:50:59 AM
Hamilton scores 17 seconds into the season and Jack Hughes with two goals, including a dirty OT winner. On the whole would've liked to have held on in regulation, but a great start to the season nonetheless.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: Nick on October 16, 2021, 10:45:28 AM
A very typical Flyers game last night. Got down by two goals twice. Played lights out amazing for one period and somewhat awful for most of the other two. Pulled our goalie to get two late goals to tie the game 4-4, only to then lose in a shootout. It was really a truly Flyers start to the season.

On the bright side, we were in Philly for the first time when the Golden Knights came to town and we bought tickets for Monday's game to greet the Kraken.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: KevShmev on October 17, 2021, 07:16:35 AM
The Blues tried giving that one away,  but held on to get a nice opening win at Colorado.  Despite 2019, decades of heartbreak will always prevent me from an eternal optimist with this team :P. but if feels like many are sleeping on the Blues coming into this season. 
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: jingle.boy on October 17, 2021, 07:25:12 AM
Charlie McAvoy. 8 x 9.5. Wow!

I'm just gonna post what I had from the last thread at the FA signings:

Hamilton contract is great for him, terrible for the Devils.  He's a $6-$7 guy at most.  D-men who are UFAs next year are licking their chops (see, Morgan Reilly, Darnell Nurse, Parayko, Werenski, McAvoy, Klingberg).

Yup... Nurse and McAvoy should both send Hamilton and his agent a Rolex.  Werenski and Klingberg are guaranteed $9M AAV paydays now.  Reilly and Parayko might be in the $8-$9 range depending on what kind of year they have.

Seems I also forgot that Werenski did sign a $9.5M AAV contract in July.  If Klingberg has a good year, he just might bet to 8 figures.

Buffalo fans should enjoy being at the top of the division for the moment!  I've no doubt they'll come crashing to reality soon enough.  They're usually good for a 1-11-1-1 run at some point in the first half of the season.  :lol
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Post by: gmillerdrake on October 17, 2021, 12:25:29 PM
The Blues tried giving that one away,  but held on to get a nice opening win at Colorado.  Despite 2019, decades of heartbreak will always prevent me from an eternal optimist with this team :P. but if feels like many are sleeping on the Blues coming into this season.

Good to bank 2pts on the road against the league darlings for sure. Wasn’t a complete game but lots of positives. I’m good with everyone sleeping on them…..it’s par for course.
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Post by: jingle.boy on October 18, 2021, 11:32:08 AM
https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/32424014/tampa-bay-lightning-nikita-kucherov-injury-not-day-day-thing-coach-jon-cooper-says

It's like deja vu all over again.

Good thing Stammer is looking like the stud he used to be.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Everyone already getting injured
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 18, 2021, 01:31:46 PM
I mean….they got away with it last year so why change what works? It’s almost 100% certainty that he will ‘recover’ just in time to get back in shape for the playoffs.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Everyone already getting injured
Post by: Anguyen92 on October 18, 2021, 02:34:26 PM
Well, in order for this to be properly effective, they got to find a way to get players via trades to fill that $9.5 million cap hit to fill the void after Kucherov's injury in the event that this is actually a season ender for him.  If only Eichel was healthy right now.  That would be a way to really piss everyone in the league if Tampa Bay was able to steal him away from Buffalo.
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Post by: jingle.boy on October 18, 2021, 08:50:57 PM
Finally, and expansion team looking like an expansion team.  I'm sure Nick enjoyed that spanking.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Everyone already getting injured
Post by: TAC on October 18, 2021, 08:54:10 PM
Finally, and expansion team looking like an expansion team.  I'm sure Nick enjoyed that spanking.

Any spanking is a good spanking for Nick. ;D
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Everyone already getting injured
Post by: Nick on October 18, 2021, 09:21:03 PM
Finally, and expansion team looking like an expansion team.  I'm sure Nick enjoyed that spanking.

We were 4th row right behind the net where the Flyers got their first 4 goals, was amazing!
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Everyone already getting injured
Post by: KevShmev on October 18, 2021, 09:34:16 PM
Buchnevich is not going to endear himself to Blues fans with that kind of dirty BS.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Everyone already getting injured
Post by: KevShmev on October 18, 2021, 09:44:35 PM
Meanwhile, the Blues just had one helluva 2nd period.  :hat :hat
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Everyone already getting injured
Post by: jingle.boy on October 20, 2021, 07:21:59 AM
Mike Smith injured.  What's the word on that, Rich?

Seems some the good teams are starting out soft (TB, CO, Wpg), while some of the crapsters (Buf, NJ, Det) aren't looking as shit as expected.  But holy man was the Keybank Centre (Buffalo) a ghost town.  Between how the club has handled the Eichel situation, and no Canadians crossing the border, looked like there was barely a few thousand in the arena.

I know we're only a few games in, so nobody's going to be too worried, or too excited.
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Post by: jingle.boy on October 20, 2021, 07:43:02 AM
Oh damn... Bossy diagnosed with lung cancer.    :sad:
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Post by: Stadler on October 20, 2021, 07:51:44 AM
Oh damn... Bossy diagnosed with lung cancer.    :sad:

Damn; those Islander teams are some of my favorite sports teams ever.  Billy Smith is still my favorite hockey player of all time, and Al Arbour is a top three coach of all time for me.   
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Everyone already getting injured
Post by: SchecterShredder on October 20, 2021, 07:54:15 AM
Mike Smith injured.  What's the word on that, Rich?

Seems some the good teams are starting out soft (TB, CO, Wpg), while some of the crapsters (Buf, NJ, Det) aren't looking as shit as expected.  But holy man was the Keybank Centre (Buffalo) a ghost town.  Between how the club has handled the Eichel situation, and no Canadians crossing the border, looked like there was barely a few thousand in the arena.

I know we're only a few games in, so nobody's going to be too worried, or too excited.

They didn't provide much in terms of info.  Sounds like he just tweaked something, so he asked Tippet to take him out just in case.  My guess is he plays Friday.

The local (vocal) fanbase that chimes in on the Edmonton TSN radio broadcasts seems to think the Oilers are a lock for the WCF, and anything less is a disappointment. What. The. Fuck. Even the radio hosts are telling people they're out to lunch.
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Post by: jingle.boy on October 20, 2021, 08:04:15 AM
And Kuch is on LTIR again.  I don't feel bad - at least it didn't happen in the off-season where the team could backfill his space with comparable salary.  Maybe they go after Eichel now!   :rollin
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Everyone already getting injured
Post by: SchecterShredder on October 21, 2021, 06:42:45 AM
Well, Smith is off to the IR. On the bright side, this could give the Oil a good look at Stuart Skinner. He's our top young goalie prospect who'll be called up from the AHL to backup Koskinen. With how inconsistent Koskinen plays, I can't imagine Skinner is back up for long. I'm hoping this can turn into a Binnington type of situation.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Everyone already getting injured
Post by: romdrums on October 21, 2021, 08:19:35 AM
Small sample size, but it looks like the Red Wings will be competitive this year.  2019 1st Round Pick Moritz Seider and 2020 1st Round Pick Lucas Raymond are having an immediate impact on this team, with Raymond on the 1st line with Dylan Larkin and Tyler Bertuzzi, and Seider on the 2nd D pair with Nick Leddy.  It's nice to see this much needed infusion of talent!  I'm hoping they play well, but not enough to fall out of a chance to get the #1 overall pick in this years draft.  Shane Wright will be a nice addition to a re-stocked cupboard!
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Everyone already getting injured
Post by: jingle.boy on October 21, 2021, 08:24:26 AM
The NHL Super-16 / power rankings are a bit of a joke.  I get not wanting to put much (any) stock in the Devils (16) and Sabres (14) being undefeated at the moment, but I'm really struggling to see how the Bolts (3), Oil (4), Avs (6), Bruins (8), and Knights (11) deserved their rankings.  The Bruins got spanked by the Flyers, the Oil offense has looked good (even though they needed a shootout to beat Vcr), but defence and goaltending is suspect when you give up 5 goals to Anaheim, and the other 3 all have losing records

I think the Blues (10), Leafs (12) are both better than those rankings - Blues are undefeated; Leafs only non-wins were 1-goal losses (1 in OT) where the both opposing goalies absolutely stole the victory for their team - and Matthews wasn't in the lineup for the first 3 games.

Whatever... it's only week 1.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Everyone already getting injured
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 21, 2021, 08:56:33 AM
With the AVs….again, I understand they have talented players and all but they’ve yet to prove anything when it counts. They should have Beat an injury riddled Blues team last year in the playoffs so that wasn’t all that special and then they choked the next round. Same scenario with Vegas. They have some talented players but what have they really done to earn consistent top billing?

I’m perfectly fine with the ‘experts’ sleeping on the Blues as that’s historically the case. Binnington is on a mission to force Armstrong to select him for the Canadian national team and has been razor sharp thus far. Given it’s been three games but still….he’s dialed in. The Blues have a skilled group of youngsters and crafty group of veterans so I think it’s going to be fun being a Blues fan this season.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Everyone already getting injured
Post by: jingle.boy on October 21, 2021, 09:13:50 AM

I’m perfectly fine with the ‘experts’ sleeping on the Blues as that’s historically the case. Binnington is on a mission to force Armstrong to select him for the Canadian national team and has been razor sharp thus far. Given it’s been three games but still….he’s dialed in. The Blues have a skilled group of youngsters and crafty group of veterans so I think it’s going to be fun being a Blues fan this season.

I hope this is the case, because I don't think Canada can count on either Fleury or Price come February.  Russia, USA, and Sweden all have more than a couple of #1 options
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Everyone already getting injured
Post by: axeman90210 on October 21, 2021, 09:55:24 AM
And Jack Hughes is now out with a dislocated shoulder, which really was kind of a best case scenario given the hit/landing he took.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Everyone already getting injured
Post by: KevShmev on October 21, 2021, 07:15:01 PM
With the AVs….again, I understand they have talented players and all but they’ve yet to prove anything when it counts. They should have Beat an injury riddled Blues team last year in the playoffs so that wasn’t all that special and then they choked the next round. Same scenario with Vegas. They have some talented players but what have they really done to earn consistent top billing?

I’m perfectly fine with the ‘experts’ sleeping on the Blues as that’s historically the case. Binnington is on a mission to force Armstrong to select him for the Canadian national team and has been razor sharp thus far. Given it’s been three games but still….he’s dialed in. The Blues have a skilled group of youngsters and crafty group of veterans so I think it’s going to be fun being a Blues fan this season.

I think you are right, and I pray that you are.  I am still trying to find a way to go to the home opener on Saturday.  :corn :corn
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Everyone already getting injured
Post by: TAC on October 21, 2021, 07:25:16 PM
It's like deja vu all over again.


Tell me about it...


With the AVs….again, I understand they have talented players and all but they’ve yet to prove anything when it counts. They should have Beat an injury riddled Blues team last year in the playoffs so that wasn’t all that special and then they choked the next round. Same scenario with Vegas. They have some talented players but what have they really done to earn consistent top billing?

I’m perfectly fine with the ‘experts’ sleeping on the Blues as that’s historically the case.  The Blues have a skilled group of youngsters and crafty group of veterans so I think it’s going to be fun being a Blues fan this season.



Seems like a slightly more truncated version of last season's post..



Especially Colorado. I get it.....they've got talent out the wahzoo....but, even last year pre-covid heading into the Playoffs they were in trouble. Covid saved them and Dallas from embarrassing first round losses in the playoffs. It's one of those deals where somewhere Colorado has been anointed and they're the new 'it' team. They have an utter super star in McKinnon which it's understandable....but you have to produce when it counts and they haven't.

Vegas will be interesting to watch because there were a ton of stories before, during and after Petro was signed that the players were ticked that they were shuffling and changing things around to land Petro. They'll all say the right things but it'll be interesting to see how they play together. Petro is not a very animated leader or a person who is loud in the locker room. He's very soft spoken. The knock on him in StL in the locker room was that he was just 'boring'  He never went out with the guys.....he's a big family man and if he wasn't playing hockey he was at home. Vegas is another team with a ton of pressure to produce....lets see if they can live up to the hype.

I personally love the lack of 'respect' or whatever it is that StL gets and is getting in all the pre season stuff. I get it. Petro's gone and we brought in new guys but IMO StL got better...not worse...by passing on Petro and picking up Krug, Clifford and Hoffman. It's a new look team that's going to have some spunk and attitude.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on October 21, 2021, 08:07:21 PM
And it’s still just as true.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Everyone still getting injured
Post by: Anguyen92 on October 22, 2021, 09:11:09 PM
Sigh.......  Kings lost to the Stars in OT.  Had the lead twice.  Kopitar and Vilardi had goals.  That's something.  Doughty being taken out of the game after a knee on knee collision in the 2nd and could not walk out under his power and who knows how long he's going to be gone for.  That's a really heavy blow for this team to lose and weather through.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Everyone still getting injured
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on October 23, 2021, 05:58:05 PM
The Rangers woke up in the last six minutes of today’s game, but I guess six good minutes is all you need to beat Ottawa.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Everyone still getting injured
Post by: TAC on October 23, 2021, 08:19:17 PM
Ann Wilson singing the National Anthem in Seattle tonight! :metal
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Everyone still getting injured
Post by: Anguyen92 on October 23, 2021, 08:53:38 PM
Well.  That was a rough week that I would rather forget and move on and hope for better days for the Kings.  Did anyone here had a good week?
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Everyone still getting injured
Post by: jammindude on October 23, 2021, 09:08:05 PM
It’s pretty ridiculous that there’s no local broadcast of our home opener. It’s streaming on ESPN plus and Hulu, but you would think one local network would be carrying the home opener of the brand new expansion team. It’s just ludicrous that it’s not anywhere on TV. The only place you can watch it on regular TV is on the Vancouver CBC station that happens to be a part of our cable package.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Everyone still getting injured
Post by: Cool Chris on October 23, 2021, 09:39:57 PM
The KJR guys were talking about that yesterday. They laid out the reasoning, crappy as it may have been, but I cannot recall what it was.

The Sounders really took off here, and it looks like the Kraken might do so as well. They have handled the launch very well, admittedly from what little I have followed.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Everyone still getting injured
Post by: axeman90210 on October 24, 2021, 02:20:24 PM
Got to my first Devils game since the pandemic, was good to be back at the arena and even better to catch an OT win.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Everyone still getting injured
Post by: Anguyen92 on October 24, 2021, 09:22:27 PM
Well, change of plans for me.  I was really eyeing seeing the Kings against the Habs next Saturday, but it turns out that my sister, her husband, and their young son is going to go to the game the next day against the Sabres and they got me a seat next to them.  Makes this decision a no-brainer.  It's a joy to see kids at their very first hockey game.

In other news, if there is one thing I can take solace in regarding this Kings' team, right now, is that the Blackhawks are even having a worst start than them at the moment and the Blackhawks went more all-in this season, getting Seth Jones and Fleury.  Paid a huge premium in assets in Jones and a huge extension and it doesn't look things are exactly living up to the hype for them at the moment.  That's a bummer for their fans in addition to the many other baggage that's going on with that team.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Everyone still getting injured
Post by: Willthescout7 on October 25, 2021, 05:50:06 AM
In other news, if there is one thing I can take solace in regarding this Kings' team, right now, is that the Blackhawks are even having a worst start than them at the moment and the Blackhawks went more all-in this season, getting Seth Jones and Fleury.  Paid a huge premium in assets in Jones and a huge extension and it doesn't look things are exactly living up to the hype for them at the moment.  That's a bummer for their fans in addition to the many other baggage that's going on with that team.

When it comes to the Blackhawks, I'm not even mad anymore. I've entered into a space of whatever happens, happens. Hopefully this pushes Bowman and Cotillion out so we can just restart.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Everyone still getting injured
Post by: pg1067 on October 25, 2021, 10:14:20 AM
It’s pretty ridiculous that there’s no local broadcast of our home opener. It’s streaming on ESPN plus and Hulu, but you would think one local network would be carrying the home opener of the brand new expansion team. It’s just ludicrous that it’s not anywhere on TV. The only place you can watch it on regular TV is on the Vancouver CBC station that happens to be a part of our cable package.

You're never going to get a local broadcast for a nationally televised game.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Everyone still getting injured
Post by: jammindude on October 25, 2021, 11:29:20 AM
It’s pretty ridiculous that there’s no local broadcast of our home opener. It’s streaming on ESPN plus and Hulu, but you would think one local network would be carrying the home opener of the brand new expansion team. It’s just ludicrous that it’s not anywhere on TV. The only place you can watch it on regular TV is on the Vancouver CBC station that happens to be a part of our cable package.

You're never going to get a local broadcast for a nationally televised game.

Is ESPN+ (a pay service) considered a nationally televised game now? That seems weird to me because a nationally televised game used to mean that a major network (or cable network) was offering it over free air. Like if had been on ESPN proper, I could see it. But a side, pay extra service?  :o
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Post by: crazy climber dude on October 25, 2021, 02:34:07 PM
I would agree that ESPN Plus is NOT "nationally televised", at least not in the traditional sense jammindude mentioned.

It's interesting too.....not sure 100% they've never televised an Avalanche game on the local "Altitude" network.....when it has also been nationally televised. But I do know they have had NBA games on "regular" ESPN or TNT with the Nuggets....and still carried the game on Altitude. In fact it happened with the Phoenix Suns game just a few days ago.

As far as teams like the Blackhawks struggling compared to the potential relating to their offseason changes.....I would say, it's EARLY. The Avalanche were picked by many to repeat as President's Trophy winners, but they started off VERY slowly...and new goaltender Darcy Kuemper got lit up against Washington. Then looked very good against defending champion Tampa. It's going to take time to gel with the new guys.
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Post by: pg1067 on October 25, 2021, 03:02:13 PM
It’s pretty ridiculous that there’s no local broadcast of our home opener. It’s streaming on ESPN plus and Hulu, but you would think one local network would be carrying the home opener of the brand new expansion team. It’s just ludicrous that it’s not anywhere on TV. The only place you can watch it on regular TV is on the Vancouver CBC station that happens to be a part of our cable package.

You're never going to get a local broadcast for a nationally televised game.

Is ESPN+ (a pay service) considered a nationally televised game now? That seems weird to me because a nationally televised game used to mean that a major network (or cable network) was offering it over free air. Like if had been on ESPN proper, I could see it. But a side, pay extra service?  :o

I get where you're coming from, but the answer to the question is yes.  A game that's being aired (or now, streamed) on the league's major national television partner is not going to be broadcast on the team's local network.  If this were last year, the game probably would have been on NBC, but that deal is no more.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on October 25, 2021, 05:25:22 PM
You know. I'm checking CapFriendly right now and it's quite fascinating to see that 17 teams are over the Cap Space due to injuries and needing to put players on LTIR.  It's going to be quite a headache for some of those teams to try to get under cap when those players eventually get healthy and ready to go.

Edit: Hours later, well, at least, the Kings put a better fight against the Blues in this game than the previous game.  Tarasenko had two really good looking goals in the 3rd to put a end to that.  Now this team is down two defensemen.  Doughty and Walker.  This time period without Drew Doughty is going to be pretty ugly unless someone can really show that they can step up.  I'm not seeing any stepping up that I like to see yet from anyone on this team.  Kopitar is still looking good for the most part.  I can still be excited about that.
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Post by: Willthescout7 on October 26, 2021, 05:14:24 AM
As far as teams like the Blackhawks struggling compared to the potential relating to their offseason changes.....I would say, it's EARLY. The Avalanche were picked by many to repeat as President's Trophy winners, but they started off VERY slowly...and new goaltender Darcy Kuemper got lit up against Washington. Then looked very good against defending champion Tampa. It's going to take time to gel with the new guys.

The problem with the Blackhawks is how inept they look. I fully expect teams like Colorado to figure it out. The Blackhawks, with their record setting inability to gain a lead, look completely lost and outmatched by every team. The only team I feel like they could beat right now is Arizona, and even that would be close. If Cotillion disappears, then I think things could turn around.
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Post by: KevShmev on October 26, 2021, 06:17:58 AM
I think everyone expects Colorado to figure it out, because, let's face it, they are the Chosen Ones. ;) :P

Meanwhile, the Blues win again to get to 5-0 for the first time in their history.  And we are all pretty ecstatic right now that Tarasenko was not traded, as he has looked great so far.  Two huge goals last night, and he is playing with a chip on his shoulder. 
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Post by: gmillerdrake on October 26, 2021, 06:27:28 AM
The fan reaction to Tarasenko on opening night and last night when they interviewed him after the game was awesome…..and the way he lit up and smiled says it all. He’s not going anywhere…..and he has been playing with a chip on his shoulder.

Just so Tim can try and make some sort of dog at me again I’ll say it for a third time. With all
Their talent, Colorado has yet to prove anything outside of being a good team. Their goaltender last season WAS the reason they had that good season and right now their goaltending is severely suspect. You can say the same about Vegas…..which I have…..for three seasons in a row now. Being ordained and selected as the heir apparent to the Cup by the ‘experts’ doesn’t automatically give you the Cup. You still have to earn it.
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Post by: romdrums on October 26, 2021, 07:06:42 AM
Colorado reminds me of the early to mid 90's Red Wings.  Lots of talent, but the recipe isn't quite right.
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Post by: jingle.boy on October 26, 2021, 08:35:34 AM
Colorado reminds me of the early to mid 90's Red Wings.  Lots of talent, but the recipe isn't quite right.

No... that's the Leafs. :marriageanalogy:

Look, it's only 5-6 games into the season. Let's not start sucking each others' dicks just yet (for the teams that are cruising), or press the panic button.  Applying the logic of some of the rhetoric I'm reading here, Buffalo and San Jose are cup contenders, while the Lightning and Vegas should blow up their teams and begin a rebuild.

 ::)
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Post by: gmillerdrake on October 26, 2021, 09:50:34 AM
Totally Chad. That’s why while I’m excited about a 5-0 start by the Blues I also know they could easily lose the next 5 games. I think it’ll be a fun season to be a Blues fan and think they’re going to ‘surprise’ people…..but I’m not ordering my tickets to go touch the Cup again just yet.

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Post by: Anguyen92 on October 26, 2021, 01:28:37 PM
Holy sh**.  In addition to the Blackhawks poor start, there's a huge s***storm brewing at the moment in the organization.  The results of an investigation that started months ago on them regarding incidents around 2010 that has been made public.  From what I'm reading through various reporters, it's not pretty and the findings are said to be quite graphic. 

This is a sad day for hockey fans regarding what's going on with the findings.

At the end of it all, Stan Bowman has now stepped aside as the GM for the Blackhawks, per Chris Johnston.

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1453063339270094848

I'm just going to link a Hockey Guy video regarding this.  He's usually good at summarizing and give the cliff notes version regarding stuff like this.

Blackhawks Investigation Ends, Bowman is Out as GM, More Heads Likely to Roll (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-9O5qdla9Y)
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Post by: KevShmev on October 26, 2021, 01:36:04 PM
Totally Chad. That’s why while I’m excited about a 5-0 start by the Blues I also know they could easily lose the next 5 games. I think it’ll be a fun season to be a Blues fan and think they’re going to ‘surprise’ people…..but I’m not ordering my tickets to go touch the Cup again just yet.

Very true, but there is nothing wrong with enjoying the winning while it happens and being excited about it, rather than being a negative nancy and waiting for the bottom to drop out.  :tup :tup
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Post by: gmillerdrake on October 26, 2021, 01:53:40 PM
Totally Chad. That’s why while I’m excited about a 5-0 start by the Blues I also know they could easily lose the next 5 games. I think it’ll be a fun season to be a Blues fan and think they’re going to ‘surprise’ people…..but I’m not ordering my tickets to go touch the Cup again just yet.

Very true, but there is nothing wrong with enjoying the winning while it happens and being excited about it, rather than being a negative nancy and waiting for the bottom to drop out.  :tup :tup

Totally. I’m enjoying the heck outbid it foe sure.

And…..just as an example of how this season is going to be weird…..a fully vaccinated Ryan O’Reily goes on the Covid protocol list for 10 days
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Post by: KevShmev on October 26, 2021, 07:19:11 PM
Totally Chad. That’s why while I’m excited about a 5-0 start by the Blues I also know they could easily lose the next 5 games. I think it’ll be a fun season to be a Blues fan and think they’re going to ‘surprise’ people…..but I’m not ordering my tickets to go touch the Cup again just yet.

Very true, but there is nothing wrong with enjoying the winning while it happens and being excited about it, rather than being a negative nancy and waiting for the bottom to drop out.  :tup :tup

Totally. I’m enjoying the heck outbid it foe sure.

And…..just as an example of how this season is going to be weird…..a fully vaccinated Ryan O’Reily goes on the Covid protocol list for 10 days

I saw that.  It's a bummer, but such is life in 2021 with COVID.  Just glad the team has come out of the gate looking so good.  :hat :hat
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Post by: jammindude on October 26, 2021, 10:30:43 PM
My father always loved the classic Bart Starr-era Green Bay Packers.

They were his favorite team until the Seattle Seahawks began their inaugural season in 1976, and he was a lifelong fan until his passing in 2007 and he never got to see them win a super bowl.

But tonight I got just a taste of what my father must have felt 45 years ago when the Seahawks won their first home game, because I just waited just over 40 years (I’m 52, but didn’t get into sports until I was about 7-8ish) for Seattle to get their first NHL home win ever.

Congratulations to the Kraken.
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Post by: jingle.boy on October 27, 2021, 05:00:22 AM
Holy sh**.  In addition to the Blackhawks poor start, there's a huge s***storm brewing at the moment in the organization.  The results of an investigation that started months ago on them regarding incidents around 2010 that has been made public.  From what I'm reading through various reporters, it's not pretty and the findings are said to be quite graphic. 

This is a sad day for hockey fans regarding what's going on with the findings.

At the end of it all, Stan Bowman has now stepped aside as the GM for the Blackhawks, per Chris Johnston.

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1453063339270094848

I'm just going to link a Hockey Guy video regarding this.  He's usually good at summarizing and give the cliff notes version regarding stuff like this.

Blackhawks Investigation Ends, Bowman is Out as GM, More Heads Likely to Roll (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-9O5qdla9Y)

Bolded for emphasis.

Rumours are that Chevy (Wpg GM) and Quennville might be at risk of losing their jobs.  Personally, I can see a situation where the NHL wants to take a massive stand on this issue, and these two could be banned for some period, maybe even for life.  I gotta think some of the players from that Cup run have to be held accountable for their complicity as well.

And the off-ice shit storm is going to make it that much more enraging when the Leafs lose to them tonight.

@ Gary and Kev ... there's a difference between being a "negative nancy", and being realistic.  Yes, you should absolutely be thrilled with the start that the Blues have, but my point was more towards your stance towards the Avs and Knights.  Look, I'm no Knights fan, but I can be objective enough to acknowledge they are still the 'team to beat' in the West, and the Avs are that in the Central.
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Post by: Willthescout7 on October 27, 2021, 06:18:15 AM
I read the executive summary and the section titled "What the Blackhawks Organization Knew", and it paints a damning picture of every single person involved. Everyone who tried to cover this up or ignore for the sake of winning the cup is scum. I'm glad Bowman stepped aside, though I wish this wasn't just a way to try to avoid punishment. Here's hoping that everyone else follows soon. Quennville is a good coach, but he also comes out horrible here, and deserves to be removed from the league.

I'm ashamed to be a Blackhawks fan today.
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Post by: SchecterShredder on October 27, 2021, 07:51:17 AM
I hope Chevy and Quenville both lose their jobs. Or at least do the right thing and resign. It's one thing not knowing about terrible shit happening under your watch. It's another thing entirely to be be aware, and do nothing; even worse to be asked about it directly, then lie about your knowledge of it. Lack of accountability is my biggest peeve in this world. If you fucked up, just come out and say it, and do better moving forward.



I'm ashamed to be a Blackhawks fan today.

Little bit, yeah.
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Post by: Willthescout7 on October 28, 2021, 05:19:06 AM
It was hard to watch the Blackhawks game last night. I still love the team, but in the light of everything...yeah, I was conflicted about supporting them.
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Post by: jingle.boy on October 28, 2021, 05:26:18 AM
I too found it hard to watch, but for other reasons.  The Leafs were lucky to snatch that victory, but still have a long way to go to figure out 'their game'.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on October 28, 2021, 12:00:29 PM
Doughty is going to be out for about two months.  Sean Walker is done for the season.  Don't think the Kings can afford to lose two defensemen at this point, especially Doughty.  These next couple of weeks are going to be interesting for the Kings.  I'm ready for the pain.  Maybe through this pain, someone, other than Kopitar and his line, can step up and deliver on something.
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Post by: pg1067 on October 28, 2021, 12:30:08 PM
Doughty is going to be out for about two months.  Sean Walker is done for the season.  Don't think the Kings can afford to lose two defensemen at this point, especially Doughty.  These next couple of weeks are going to be interesting for the Kings.  I'm ready for the pain.  Maybe through this pain, someone, other than Kopitar and his line, can step up and deliver on something.

That friggin' sucks!  I haven't paid much attention to hockey yet because of the baseball playoffs and other such things, but unless someone steps up in a big way, it seems like we're looking at another lost season for a team that won two of the last 10 Cups.  Ugh!
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Post by: Anguyen92 on October 28, 2021, 12:44:06 PM
Yeah, I already gave up on them for this season as them trying to look like a serious team for once.  Still going to go the Sabres game on Sunday with my sister, her husband, and their son and probably a few more games and just see if there's any good progression and whatnot in the younger guys throughout the sesaon.
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Post by: pg1067 on October 28, 2021, 04:51:47 PM
I'll be interested to hear how the Staples Center experience is.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on October 28, 2021, 04:55:00 PM
I mean it was hard to gauge on how it looks on TV in the first game against the Golden Knights.  It looked relatively empty in some parts, but I thought it was mainly due to that the team has low expectations and that a Dodgers playoff game was going at the same time.
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Post by: pg1067 on October 28, 2021, 05:01:07 PM
I mean it was hard to gauge on how it looks on TV in the first game against the Golden Knights.  It looked relatively empty in some parts, but I thought it was mainly due to that the team has low expectations and that a Dodgers playoff game was going at the same time.

Are they enforcing the mask and vax/negative test requirements?  Are they still not letting you have food/drink in your seat?
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Post by: Anguyen92 on October 28, 2021, 05:03:19 PM
I have no clue.  Sunday is going to be my first game at Staples since late 2019 against the Blues (and yes, Gary and Kev, the Blues also decimated the Kings in that game).  I presume they are enforcing the vax requirements.  Don't really care about food/drink.  I usually eat before or after events anyway since I don't want to pay expensive arena prices.
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Post by: jingle.boy on October 28, 2021, 08:22:30 PM
Quennville resigns.

Chevy's meeting has been moved up to tomorrow.

I'm guessing in about 20 hours, he'll be resigning.

People like Toews, Kane, and Keith are going to be facing a lot of heat.  Based on everything I've heard so far, it's inconceivable that they didn't know.

What a cluster fuck.  This is an absolute stain on the organization, and the league that isn't going away anytime soon.
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Post by: TAC on October 28, 2021, 08:25:23 PM
Quennville resigns.


WOW!


I saw one headline today where they refer to Kyle Beach as "Former Blackhawks Star". I never heard of the kid.
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Post by: jingle.boy on October 28, 2021, 08:26:56 PM
Quote
NEW YORK (Oct. 28, 2021) – National Hockey League Commissioner Gary Bettman today released the following statement.
“The National Hockey League agrees with the decision tonight by Joel Quenneville to resign his duties as head coach of the Florida Panthers. In his former role as Chicago Blackhawks head coach, Mr. Quenneville was among several former members of the Club’s senior leadership group who mishandled the 2010 sexual assault claim by former player Kyle Beach against the Club’s then-video coach, Brad Aldrich. And, following a meeting with Mr. Quenneville that took place this afternoon in my office, all parties agreed that it was no longer appropriate that he continue to serve as Florida’s head coach.
“I admire Kyle Beach for his courage in coming forward, am appalled that he was so poorly supported upon making his initial claim and in the 11 years since, and am sorry for all he has endured.
“We thank the Panthers’ organization for working with us to ensure that a thorough process was followed. Given the result, there is no need for any further action by the NHL regarding Mr. Quenneville at this time. However, should he wish to re-enter the League in some capacity in the future, I will require a meeting with him in advance in order to determine the appropriate conditions under which such new employment might take place.”

Sounds pretty much like an unofficial lifetime ban.
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Post by: TAC on October 28, 2021, 08:27:56 PM
The Panthers got fucked.
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Post by: SchecterShredder on October 28, 2021, 09:33:44 PM
Quennville resigns.

Chevy's meeting has been moved up to tomorrow.

I'm guessing in about 20 hours, he'll be resigning.

People like Toews, Kane, and Keith are going to be facing a lot of heat.  Based on everything I've heard so far, it's inconceivable that they didn't know.

What a cluster fuck.  This is an absolute stain on the organization, and the league that isn't going away anytime soon.
Keith  told a local reporter here that he knew nothing,  and wasn't sure if any other players did because they were all "too dialed in". He claims that even if anyone heard rumblings,  they would just brush it off and "assume management would take care of it". Honest to god quotes from Duncan Keith
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Post by: KevShmev on October 29, 2021, 04:56:37 AM
The Blues lost the game, but mad props to Faulk for fighting his own battle and going at that piece of crap Kadri (who knocked Faulk out of the playoff last year with a dirty hit) and brawling with him.
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Post by: jingle.boy on October 29, 2021, 04:59:15 AM
The Panthers got fucked.

What??  That's your response for a 11 year cover up of a sexual abuse incident?  I suggest watching the interview with Kyle Beach, and see if what happened to the Panthers even registers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBpRpaNR2tg

regarding Keith... I just don't know how he (or Kane, or Toews) couldn't have known.  I'm just watching an interview with Paul Maurice, and man.... he looks really shook up.
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Post by: SchecterShredder on October 29, 2021, 06:04:09 AM
Edmonton already lost the Keith trade.  This just might make it that much worse.  The NHL doesn't seem focused on the players right now though
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Post by: Hyperplex on October 29, 2021, 06:42:15 AM
This whole situation is abhorrent. I read the entire legal report yesterday. It's mind-blowing. Can't say I'm surprised anymore, but its shameful and shows just how far we still have to go.
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Post by: Luoto on October 29, 2021, 06:43:03 AM
I saw one headline today where they refer to Kyle Beach as "Former Blackhawks Star". I never heard of the kid.

I believe he was a first round draft pick, so chances are you would've heard of him if the Blackhawks organization had a spine of any kind. The abuse ruined his career based on the interview.
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Post by: Hyperplex on October 29, 2021, 06:57:03 AM
Yeah he was the 11th pick in 2008, so he likely would have made at least some sort of splash, even if not huge. He never played in the NHL after this.
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Post by: romdrums on October 29, 2021, 07:25:43 AM
Jonathan Toews' response to this was pretty mind-blowing as well. You're the captain and you don't know what's going on?  The fuck you don't!  And then vouching for the character of the leadership, nice victim blaming there "Captain Serious."  :tdwn >:(
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Post by: gmillerdrake on October 29, 2021, 08:10:47 AM
The Blues lost the game, but mad props to Faulk for fighting his own battle and going at that piece of crap Kadri (who knocked Faulk out of the playoff last year with a dirty hit) and brawling with him.

Yeah….and hopefully that’s all done now because that distraction cost them a game. They never were able to recover from the AVs getting the early PP although they didn’t score on it. Just set them behind.

And you knew they couldn’t go a game without the phantom ‘look in Mackinnons direction’ penalty. It’s ridiculous how protected he is. Don’t sneeze towards the dude.

Anyway…..even down OReily and playing an average game they only lost 4-3 so whatever…..they were due to lose
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Post by: Anguyen92 on October 29, 2021, 09:39:01 AM
Jonathan Toews' response to this was pretty mind-blowing as well. You're the captain and you don't know what's going on?  The fuck you don't!  And then vouching for the character of the leadership, nice victim blaming there "Captain Serious."  :tdwn >:(

Yeah, his comments really frustrated me the most out of this.  He's talking about Bowman like it was his last day of work in another job and he's moving on to bigger and better things and has nothing but good vibes for the guy.  Dude, read the room.  You can go ahead and say that kind of stuff in private or at a later time, but when all of this is happening and the mood and atmosphere in Chicago is pretty darn grim?  Yikes.  Some Captain.  That title is all garnish.  So much for "going to war" for your teammates (even the guys in the lowest position in the roster list).
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Post by: gmillerdrake on October 29, 2021, 10:24:44 AM
And lost in all of this is the young victim that this dude went on to molested due to the neglect of the Chicago Blackhawks, Quinville and the leaders on the team. It’s just and right that Beach is getting his chance to talk and getting some ‘justice’ but there’s at least one other victim if not more.

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Post by: jingle.boy on October 29, 2021, 10:28:55 AM
Indeed.  Watch the interview with Beach if you haven't... that kid comes up and it's clear Beach carries an unfathomable amount of guilt over that.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on October 29, 2021, 11:36:23 AM
Indeed.  Watch the interview with Beach if you haven't... that kid comes up and it's clear Beach carries an unfathomable amount of guilt over that.

I can tell you that when I was 18 and I heard/learned that the cousin who had 'done' things to me when I was 9 was then at that time babysitting young family members.....all the doubt and haziness that surrounded the memories and the wondering if it really even happened vanished instantly and game me a sense of dread and worry about those younger cousins of mine who he was babysitting and prompted me to admit to others what had happened.

I don't say that to try and piggy back off this horrible story or for even sympathy....I say it because of what you mentioned Chad. The guilt I felt in that moment when I learned that with zero shred of evidence that he had even done anything to them was overwhelming. I cannot imagine what type of burden and guilt Beach carries with him. I don't know if any amount of therapy or even forgiveness from the other victim could help him. That poor man. My heart goes out to him.
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Post by: jingle.boy on October 29, 2021, 12:38:34 PM
I was just thinking how much more personal this kind of story is to you, Gary.  Hugs to you man... I'm sure this is digging up a lot of shit for you.

I'm not sure I totally buy the reason for Cheveldayoff skating thru this, but he's safe for now.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on October 29, 2021, 12:50:05 PM
I was just thinking how much more personal this kind of story is to you, Gary.  Hugs to you man... I'm sure this is digging up a lot of shit for you.

I appreciate the sentiment Chad and thank you. Fortunately, I’m at a spot in life where I’ve reconciled everything that happened to me and have essentially moved past it. When I see and read things like this my heart immediately breaks for the victims because I know how hard it is to handle and manage. I hope that Beach can find peace someday.
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Post by: KevShmev on October 29, 2021, 06:17:48 PM
The Blues lost the game, but mad props to Faulk for fighting his own battle and going at that piece of crap Kadri (who knocked Faulk out of the playoff last year with a dirty hit) and brawling with him.

Yeah….and hopefully that’s all done now because that distraction cost them a game. They never were able to recover from the AVs getting the early PP although they didn’t score on it. Just set them behind.

And you knew they couldn’t go a game without the phantom ‘look in Mackinnons direction’ penalty. It’s ridiculous how protected he is. Don’t sneeze towards the dude.

Anyway…..even down OReily and playing an average game they only lost 4-3 so whatever…..they were due to lose

I think the rough play and sending a message was worth it.  It is just one game out of 82, and sending a message that the Blues will not let their guys get run without there being a receipt is the Berube influence.  After decades of seeing the Blues get pushed around and feeling like they never really fought back in the true sense, it is nice to see them show some balls, and I credit that largely to Berube.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on October 29, 2021, 08:52:21 PM
^^ It's a good feeling when you are rooting for a team that has those kinds of intangibles.  I'm still wanting something like that out of the Kings in this current age.
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Post by: TheCountOfNYC on October 29, 2021, 09:15:54 PM
What is this feeling? Is this…optimism? I still think the Rangers are a few years away from being a real contender, but they’re playing great hockey right now.
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Post by: pg1067 on October 30, 2021, 06:08:33 PM
^^ It's a good feeling when you are rooting for a team that has those kinds of intangibles.  I'm still wanting something like that out of the Kings in this current age.

Hopefully today's game was a sign of things to come.  You picked a good one to attend!
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Post by: Anguyen92 on October 30, 2021, 06:56:10 PM
Yeah, really good game to build on though.  I didn't go to that one as planned.  As stated before. 

Well, change of plans for me.  I was really eyeing seeing the Kings against the Habs next Saturday, but it turns out that my sister, her husband, and their young son is going to go to the game the next day against the Sabres and they got me a seat next to them.  Makes this decision a no-brainer.  It's a joy to see kids at their very first hockey game.
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Post by: KevShmev on October 30, 2021, 08:44:16 PM
MAF was awesome in goal tonight for the Hawks, but the Blues get the one goal they needed and prevail 1-0. Binnington with a shutout. :hat :hat
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Post by: pg1067 on October 31, 2021, 04:20:06 PM
Yeah, really good game to build on though.  I didn't go to that one as planned.  As stated before. 

Well, change of plans for me.  I was really eyeing seeing the Kings against the Habs next Saturday, but it turns out that my sister, her husband, and their young son is going to go to the game the next day against the Sabres and they got me a seat next to them.  Makes this decision a no-brainer.  It's a joy to see kids at their very first hockey game.

Today's game might be even better.  I didn't turn it on until right after the Bjornfoot goal.  If they played with this much energy every game, it would make for a helluva season!
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Post by: Anguyen92 on October 31, 2021, 06:33:21 PM
Yeah.  I was nervous when the two Sabres goal back to back came off the rush, but after the first Kings goal, I was surprisingly as calm and assured that this was winnable as one could be after 40 min., down 2-1, in a section full of families and their children. 

Here was my view during the on-ice warmups.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/904364625385123880/904453584618422312/image0.jpg)

Didn't think this place was going to be more than half-full today, but I think there was a couple thousand more people in attendance than I expected from what my eye sees.  They did ask for vaccine card and license.  That game went pretty faster in real-time than it would have been had I watched it at home.
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Post by: jammindude on October 31, 2021, 09:22:28 PM
OK, remember this is my first season of truly following a team on their journey in the NHL.

We currently have one of the best goaltenders in hockey, we have doubled up the shots on goal to the opposing team and yet we are still behind 2 to 1. Is this common? Because this is heartbreaking.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on October 31, 2021, 09:39:51 PM
I've watched that 3rd period. There was no reason for the Kraken to lose that period.  Rangers goalie was pretty good and Rangers didn't have anything going at all in that period until they got a turnover that lead to the leading goal.  That was a sad uncommon thing to witness.
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Post by: jammindude on October 31, 2021, 09:59:03 PM
I've watched that 3rd period. There was no reason for the Kraken to lose that period.  Rangers goalie was pretty good and Rangers didn't have anything going at all in that period until they got a turnover that lead to the leading goal.  That was a sad uncommon thing to witness.

That is reassuring. After watching all of our games so far, I really feel like we are pretty scrappy and far more offensive than we were led to believe when the season started.

Before the season started, we were told point-blank that this team wasn’t going to score too many goals and was going to live and die by our defense. While the games have been fairly low scoring, I feel like we’re getting an incredible amount of offensive looks. And the score is not really reflecting how aggressive our offense has been so far this season.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 01, 2021, 04:47:50 AM
OK, remember this is my first season of truly following a team on their journey in the NHL.

We currently have one of the best goaltenders in hockey, we have doubled up the shots on goal to the opposing team and yet we are still behind 2 to 1. Is this common? Because this is heartbreaking.

Yeah, don't be alarmed at that.  Common?  Not really.  Rare?  Not that either.  There are times when any given goaltender will look like a Vezina Trophy finalist (year end award for best goalie in the league), and then the very next game, couldn't stop a beachball.  Shersterkin is one of those goalies - he already stole a victory for the Rangers against the Leafs a couple weeks back.
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Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 01, 2021, 05:29:12 AM
OK, remember this is my first season of truly following a team on their journey in the NHL.

We currently have one of the best goaltenders in hockey, we have doubled up the shots on goal to the opposing team and yet we are still behind 2 to 1. Is this common? Because this is heartbreaking.

A goalie who’s playing well can steal a game. It’s glorious to see when it’s your goalie doing it, but it’s infuriating when it’s against your team.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 01, 2021, 06:33:25 AM
OK, remember this is my first season of truly following a team on their journey in the NHL.

We currently have one of the best goaltenders in hockey, we have doubled up the shots on goal to the opposing team and yet we are still behind 2 to 1. Is this common? Because this is heartbreaking.

A goalie who’s playing well can steal a game. It’s glorious to see when it’s your goalie doing it, but it’s infuriating when it’s against your team.

Agreed... and what's even more infuriating is (as I mentioned), that goalie's very next game they let in 4 goals on 11 shots (or some shit like that).
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Post by: gmillerdrake on November 01, 2021, 07:14:14 AM
OK, remember this is my first season of truly following a team on their journey in the NHL.

We currently have one of the best goaltenders in hockey, we have doubled up the shots on goal to the opposing team and yet we are still behind 2 to 1. Is this common? Because this is heartbreaking.

A goalie who’s playing well can steal a game. It’s glorious to see when it’s your goalie doing it, but it’s infuriating when it’s against your team.

And, when it’s happening to your team you can usually get the sense of it early on. That it’s just not going to be your night because the opposing goalie just ‘has that look’ and has made a few saves early that shows they’re dialed in.
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Post by: romdrums on November 01, 2021, 07:27:41 AM
OK, remember this is my first season of truly following a team on their journey in the NHL.

We currently have one of the best goaltenders in hockey, we have doubled up the shots on goal to the opposing team and yet we are still behind 2 to 1. Is this common? Because this is heartbreaking.

A goalie who’s playing well can steal a game. It’s glorious to see when it’s your goalie doing it, but it’s infuriating when it’s against your team.

Just wait until the playoffs when a goalie can steal a whole series.  Go look up the 2003 playoffs and read up on the Anaheim v. Detroit series.  JS Giguere gave up almost nothing to the defending Stanley Cup champs and one of the most loaded rosters we've seen in the 21st century.
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Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 01, 2021, 07:33:29 AM
OK, remember this is my first season of truly following a team on their journey in the NHL.

We currently have one of the best goaltenders in hockey, we have doubled up the shots on goal to the opposing team and yet we are still behind 2 to 1. Is this common? Because this is heartbreaking.

A goalie who’s playing well can steal a game. It’s glorious to see when it’s your goalie doing it, but it’s infuriating when it’s against your team.

And, when it’s happening to your team you can usually get the sense of it early on. That it’s just not going to be your night because the opposing goalie just ‘has that look’ and has made a few saves early that shows they’re dialed in.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/af/98/a2/af98a258a4a801f541da21a012c50520.gif)
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Post by: SchecterShredder on November 01, 2021, 07:58:05 AM
OK, remember this is my first season of truly following a team on their journey in the NHL.

We currently have one of the best goaltenders in hockey, we have doubled up the shots on goal to the opposing team and yet we are still behind 2 to 1. Is this common? Because this is heartbreaking.

A goalie who’s playing well can steal a game. It’s glorious to see when it’s your goalie doing it, but it’s infuriating when it’s against your team.

Just wait until the playoffs when a goalie can steal a whole series.  Go look up the 2003 playoffs and read up on the Anaheim v. Detroit series.  JS Giguere gave up almost nothing to the defending Stanley Cup champs and one of the most loaded rosters we've seen in the 21st century.
Giguere was was near unbeatable that whole playoff. Pretty sure he's still one of few, if not the only, player to win the Conn Smythe from the losing side of the finals.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 01, 2021, 08:03:12 AM
OK, remember this is my first season of truly following a team on their journey in the NHL.

We currently have one of the best goaltenders in hockey, we have doubled up the shots on goal to the opposing team and yet we are still behind 2 to 1. Is this common? Because this is heartbreaking.

A goalie who’s playing well can steal a game. It’s glorious to see when it’s your goalie doing it, but it’s infuriating when it’s against your team.

Just wait until the playoffs when a goalie can steal a whole series.  Go look up the 2003 playoffs and read up on the Anaheim v. Detroit series.  JS Giguere gave up almost nothing to the defending Stanley Cup champs and one of the most loaded rosters we've seen in the 21st century.
Giguere was was near unbeatable that whole playoff. Pretty sure he's still one of few, if not the only, player to win the Conn Smythe from the losing side of the finals.

Hextall in '87.  I'll never forget those finals.  That Phili team was just as stacked as the Oil, but the latter had the experience and Championship pedigree.

I think there's been a few others, I'd have to Google it though - edit... yup, there's been 5 of them - https://thehockeywriters.com/history-conn-smythe-winners-in-losing-efforts/
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Post by: crazy climber dude on November 01, 2021, 09:57:40 AM
Patrick Roy was 15-5 for Montreal in their 1986 Stanley Cup playoff run. He had a 1.93 GAA during that run and won the Conn Smythe. He was 20 years old. Now, that's impressive.
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Post by: pg1067 on November 01, 2021, 10:19:55 AM
We currently have one of the best goaltenders in hockey, we have doubled up the shots on goal to the opposing team and yet we are still behind 2 to 1. Is this common? Because this is heartbreaking.

Grubauer has the #30 GAA and #37 save percentage.  I think that's the opposite of "one of the best goaltenders," but it's obviously very early in the season, and GAA and SV% don't take into account the quality of shots the goalie is facing, which is largely out of the goalie's control.

As far as doubling up SOG but trailing.  I wouldn't say it's either common or uncommon.  It happens, and it's frustrating as heck.


There are times when any given goaltender will look like a Vezina Trophy finalist (year end award for best goalie in the league), and then the very next game, couldn't stop a beachball.

Yup.


Patrick Roy was 15-5 for Montreal in their 1986 Stanley Cup playoff run. He had a 1.93 GAA during that run and won the Conn Smythe. He was 20 years old. Now, that's impressive.

He's also the only 3-time winner and the only player to win it for multiple teams.
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Post by: romdrums on November 01, 2021, 10:34:04 AM
Roy also did it in 3 different decades, with 15 years between his first and third wins, and the second one right in the middle of that 15 years.  I hated Patrick Roy, but that hate also came with a certain level of respect.  Although, nothing will beat him giving up 6 goals on 16 shots in Game 7 of the 2002 Western Conference Finals!!  Not to mention, his chirp against Jeremy Roenick in the 96 Western Conference Semis was classic.
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Post by: KevShmev on November 01, 2021, 03:41:06 PM
OK, remember this is my first season of truly following a team on their journey in the NHL.

We currently have one of the best goaltenders in hockey, we have doubled up the shots on goal to the opposing team and yet we are still behind 2 to 1. Is this common? Because this is heartbreaking.

A goalie who’s playing well can steal a game. It’s glorious to see when it’s your goalie doing it, but it’s infuriating when it’s against your team.

And, when it’s happening to your team you can usually get the sense of it early on. That it’s just not going to be your night because the opposing goalie just ‘has that look’ and has made a few saves early that shows they’re dialed in.

Yep, and that is why I would given the Conn Smythe to Binnington when the Blues won it.  The Blues came out flat in Game 7, like they didn't care if they won or lost, and Binnington stood on his head and kept it at 0-0 until the team around him finally woke up.  If he hadn't played well in that 1st period, that could have been an early rout in the wrong direction.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on November 01, 2021, 04:04:05 PM
OK, remember this is my first season of truly following a team on their journey in the NHL.

We currently have one of the best goaltenders in hockey, we have doubled up the shots on goal to the opposing team and yet we are still behind 2 to 1. Is this common? Because this is heartbreaking.

A goalie who’s playing well can steal a game. It’s glorious to see when it’s your goalie doing it, but it’s infuriating when it’s against your team.

And, when it’s happening to your team you can usually get the sense of it early on. That it’s just not going to be your night because the opposing goalie just ‘has that look’ and has made a few saves early that shows they’re dialed in.

Yep, and that is why I would given the Conn Smythe to Binnington when the Blues won it.  The Blues came out flat in Game 7, like they didn't care if they won or lost, and Binnington stood on his head and kept it at 0-0 until the team around him finally woke up.  If he hadn't played well in that 1st period, that could have been an early rout in the wrong direction.

If that cheesey knuckle Pinckney, fanned on floater goal doesn’t go in with four minutes to go in the game he would have gotten it.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 01, 2021, 04:20:05 PM
Well, to be fair (and you KNOW I'm no fan of anything Boston), there was talk of Rask deserving it - win or lose Game 7.

https://theathletic.com/1020446/2019/06/11/lebrun-the-case-and-historical-precedent-for-tuukka-rask-and-the-conn-smythe-win-or-lose-in-game-7/
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Post by: jammindude on November 01, 2021, 08:06:19 PM
I’m having such a blast.

Think of me as a guy who just heard Dream Theater for the first time, and now he’s totally geeking out.

 ;D
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 01, 2021, 08:16:57 PM
I’m having such a blast.

Think of me as a guy who just heard Dream Theater for the first time, and now he’s totally geeking out.

 ;D

That's awesome!  Expansion has done it's job on you  :tup
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Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 01, 2021, 08:34:43 PM
I’m having such a blast.

Think of me as a guy who just heard Dream Theater for the first time, and now he’s totally geeking out.

 ;D

Hockey is a thrill, and Seattle is such a great sports town. It’s a match made in heaven.
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Post by: jammindude on November 01, 2021, 08:37:03 PM
I have somewhat followed hockey for years. But I haven’t truly been into a hockey team from start to finish since I lived in Spokane and the local WHL team went all the way to the memorial cup and one. And that was all the way back in like 1991.

But now with watching every game of one team at the NHL level I really feel like I’m following the game a lot better than I ever have.
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Post by: jammindude on November 01, 2021, 08:44:03 PM
One of the things I am noticing is that even at the NHL level…while there is definitely a higher level of precision… how much of this game can really come down to flukes and whether or not those flukes are going for you or against you.

We are out shooting our opponents in nearly every game, but we are just not getting really great looks. And then, as we were playing Edmonton tonight, the very first shot of theirs goes in off a bounce off a skate.

As I’m watching it take place on the ice, I really feel like we are out playing our opponents, but it’s not reflecting on the scoreboard. But then again, that’s kind of Seattle sports. LOL
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Post by: jammindude on November 01, 2021, 09:48:03 PM
SOG

SEA 24
EDM 19

Score

EDM 5
SEA 2

This wouldn’t be nearly as frustrating if it weren’t literally a pattern.
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Post by: KevShmev on November 02, 2021, 06:12:29 AM
SOG

SEA 24
EDM 19

Score

EDM 5
SEA 2

This wouldn’t be nearly as frustrating if it weren’t literally a pattern.

That can be frustrating, but as you seem to be a new regular watcher of the game, keep in mind how important special teams are.  Seattle so far is 30th out of 32 teams in power play percentage.  You gotta take more advantage when getting those power play opportunities, but the season is still young, and they are an expansion team, so it may just take time.  They are tied for 6th in the league in penalty kill, so that is really good.  :tup :tup
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Post by: axeman90210 on November 02, 2021, 06:16:07 AM
If you asked me on Friday I would have been happy with 3/4 points out of a weekend back to back with Pittsburg and Columbus, but losing that last point does sting  after beating the Pens and leading the Blue Jackets in the third period. Still though, cautiously happy with how things are going to far this season (especially since it sounds like Jack Hughes will be out for a number of additional weeks).
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Post by: romdrums on November 03, 2021, 12:16:57 PM
The Red Wings are looking like a much improved team so far, but Montreal has their number.  In their two meetings so far, the Wings have been out scored 9-1, and looked mostly lost last night in a 3-0 shutout. They were missing 2/3rds of their top line last night, though, with Bertuzzi and Larkin both scratched. On the plus side, Moritz Seider was named Rookie of the Month for October with 8 points in 9 games.  He and Lucas Raymond are the current favorites for the Calder Trophy.  Fun fact, despite the talent the Wings have had over the years, their last Calder Trophy winner was Roger Crozier in the 1964-65 season.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 03, 2021, 02:15:18 PM
Solid victory by the Leafs last night - albeit against a depleted Vegas team.  It only too 4+ years, but they finally look like an expansion team  :lol.

Tampa tomorrow, and Boston on Saturday will be a better litmus test.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on November 03, 2021, 02:41:49 PM
albeit against a depleted Vegas team. 

The way the 'Rona is running through these teams I think most of the games this year will feature one or both the teams playing minus key players.

The Blues have 100% vaccination and we still have 4 guys out on Covid protocols.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 03, 2021, 04:59:46 PM
albeit against a depleted Vegas team. 

The way the 'Rona is running through these teams I think most of the games this year will feature one or both the teams playing minus key players.

The Blues have 100% vaccination and we still have 4 guys out on Covid protocols.

Yeah, but none of the VGK injuries are listed as COVID.  Stone, Pacioretty, Karlsson, Tuch... not Covid.  Three other players listed as "undisclosed".
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Post by: Anguyen92 on November 03, 2021, 11:07:20 PM
You know.  It doesn't take that much to get the heart beating in that last min. in the 3rd onwards in that Kings/Blues game.  That was painful with the Blues tying it with 7 seconds to go.  It wasn't even the first time this calendar year that happened.  I'll admit.  I didn't have much faith in Quick doing well in the shootout, but he pulled through in the last two attempts and that was all that matters. I was hoping he get that stop against Tarasenko after what happened in the last game against the Blues and he did. 

Also, Arthur Kaliyev.  Just let that guy blast the thing and good things will happen.  Happened in the tying goal and the shootout winner. Hope he can stick around long with the Kings and not get demoted back to the Reigns.  Got to do the good things to stick around when it matters and this is a good case.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 04, 2021, 06:12:23 AM
Dreger / TSN is reporting that Eichel has been traded to Vegas in return for Alex Tuch, Peyton Krebs, and 2022 1st round pick.

Seems pretty light to me, although the outcome of surgery is a big risk.  This could be a great deal for VGK if it's successful.
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Post by: SchecterShredder on November 04, 2021, 06:22:51 AM
Dreger / TSN is reporting that Eichel has been traded to Vegas in return for Alex Tuch, Peyton Krebs, and 2022 1st round pick.

Seems pretty light to me, although the outcome of surgery is a big risk.  This could be a great deal for VGK if it's successful.
If that return is true, then this is definitely a steal for Vegas.  Although,  i suppose it cripples your negotiating power when the player says they're not playing for your team anymore.

I would have preferred Eichel stay in the east.  When healthy he's a top notch player, and i could've done without him in the division.  That being said....it doesn't look like the Oil are going to be concerned about many teams this season.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 04, 2021, 06:27:50 AM
Dreger / TSN is reporting that Eichel has been traded to Vegas in return for Alex Tuch, Peyton Krebs, and 2022 1st round pick.

Seems pretty light to me, although the outcome of surgery is a big risk.  This could be a great deal for VGK if it's successful.
If that return is true, then this is definitely a steal for Vegas.  Although,  i suppose it cripples your negotiating power when the player says they're not playing for your team anymore.

I would have preferred Eichel stay in the east.  When healthy he's a top notch player, and i could've done without him in the division.  That being said....it doesn't look like the Oil are going to be concerned about many teams this season.

Yeah, the sure look like they're firing on all cylinders.  Even Koskinnen is looking pretty good!
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Post by: romdrums on November 04, 2021, 07:26:47 AM
Dreger / TSN is reporting that Eichel has been traded to Vegas in return for Alex Tuch, Peyton Krebs, and 2022 1st round pick.

Seems pretty light to me, although the outcome of surgery is a big risk.  This could be a great deal for VGK if it's successful.
If that return is true, then this is definitely a steal for Vegas.  Although,  i suppose it cripples your negotiating power when the player says they're not playing for your team anymore.

I would have preferred Eichel stay in the east.  When healthy he's a top notch player, and i could've done without him in the division.  That being said....it doesn't look like the Oil are going to be concerned about many teams this season.

Yeah, the sure look like they're firing on all cylinders.  Even Koskinnen is looking pretty good!

Buffalo got buffaloed. :lol
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Post by: Anguyen92 on November 04, 2021, 08:49:59 AM
The trade.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDWfU8MXIAURoGx?format=jpg)

Oooo, boy.  Look at Vegas now.  Going to be interesting to see how they get under it once their guys get healthy.  Eichel will recover by March, correct?

(https://i.imgur.com/haSxqmc.png)
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 04, 2021, 09:05:57 AM
I suspect he'll probably recover for Game 1 of the playoffs.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 04, 2021, 09:12:05 AM
Looks like they're following the Toronto strategy of loading up AAV in a few players - Eichel/Stone/Pacioretty/Pietrangelo taking up $35.3M of cap space.

They'll obviously have to move on from $10M of salary somehow - the obvious choice is the three UFA's they have coming due the end of this year (2F; 1D) make up $9.5M.  Maybe Pacioretty?
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Post by: gmillerdrake on November 04, 2021, 09:21:58 AM
I suspect he'll probably recover for Game 1 of the playoffs.

You can be 100% sure of that.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on November 04, 2021, 09:23:36 AM
Looks like they're following the Toronto strategy of loading up AAV in a few players - Eichel/Stone/Pacioretty/Pietrangelo taking up $35.3M of cap space.

They'll obviously have to move on from $10M of salary somehow - the obvious choice is the three UFA's they have coming due the end of this year (2F; 1D) make up $9.5M.  Maybe Pacioretty?

The ass end of all these AAV deals are going to be brutal for these teams. Blues have several of them as well. I get the strategy but man….better get that return in those first couple years.
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Post by: TAC on November 04, 2021, 09:25:55 AM
I suspect he'll probably recover for Game 1 of the playoffs.

 :lol
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Post by: TAC on November 04, 2021, 06:03:13 PM
The Bruins have tied for the least games played (7) so far. One game was on ESPN+, so i missed that. One game was during a power outage, so I missed that, and another was opposite the Pats last week.

A guy for the Red Wings just got a penalty for "playing without a helmet". Is this a penalty?? When did this happen?
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Post by: TAC on November 04, 2021, 06:48:18 PM
How does Jeff Blashill still have a job?
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Post by: kingshmegland on November 04, 2021, 06:56:42 PM
Hat trick!! Bergeron!!
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Post by: SchecterShredder on November 04, 2021, 07:13:45 PM
The Bruins have tied for the least games played (7) so far. One game was on ESPN+, so i missed that. One game was during a power outage, so I missed that, and another was opposite the Pats last week.

A guy for the Red Wings just got a penalty for "playing without a helmet". Is this a penalty?? When did this happen?
That rule was adopted from the international rules a few years ago in an attempt to improve safety.  Helmet comes off and the player needs to immediately head to the bench
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Post by: kingshmegland on November 04, 2021, 08:03:13 PM
Concussions is a hot topic in all sports these days.
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Post by: TAC on November 04, 2021, 08:19:09 PM
So funny to see Mike Rupp try and say something nice about the Bruins. His staring at the ceiling, rolling his eyes, while Stu Grimson was talking about the Jeagermeister Shot Of the Night was hilarious.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 04, 2021, 09:10:00 PM
Fuck that Leafs/Bolts game was awesome. Watch the highlight package boys. Both Campbell and Vasilevsky were lights out. Nice to get the win, even though they were crap in the 1st..

Sergechev will get at least 1 game, but he ought to get 2-3.  The puck was gone, it was clear head-first contact, it was not a fast moving play (ie COMPLETELY avoidable), and there was clear upward movement of his shoulder at impact. That was Dreger’s analysis, so it’s not just me being a homer.
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Post by: jammindude on November 04, 2021, 09:32:30 PM
SOG

SEA 28
BUF 8

Score is tied. Why do goalies suddenly turn into brick walls when they face us?
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Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 04, 2021, 09:41:26 PM
The shots on goal stat can be very deceiving. It’s always a good thing if a team is shooting a lot because it means that they’re controlling the puck, but those shots aren’t always quality ones, and even the worst goalies in the league can stop soft shots. I’m not saying that Seattle isn’t getting quality shots, but the number of shots on goal doesn’t tell the whole story.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 04, 2021, 09:46:01 PM
SOG

SEA 28
BUF 8

Score is tied. Why do goalies suddenly turn into brick walls when they face us?

Well, to be fair ... when Eberle is your #1 forward, you can’t expect to be an offensive powerhouse.  :lol

But yeah, that is frustrating.
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Post by: jammindude on November 04, 2021, 10:00:37 PM
It’s not just the shots on goal either. Typically, nearly every stat on the board is in the favor of Seattle…..except the score
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Post by: SchecterShredder on November 04, 2021, 10:01:33 PM
SOG

SEA 28
BUF 8

Score is tied. Why do goalies suddenly turn into brick walls when they face us?

Well, to be fair ... when Eberle is your #1 forward, you can’t expect to be an offensive powerhouse.  :lol

But yeah, that is frustrating.
This.

Eberle is a great 2nd liner, but if he's carrying your top line you're in trouble. Trust me. I watched him 6 or so seasons in Edmonton
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Post by: jammindude on November 04, 2021, 10:04:05 PM
And as soon as you guys say that, he scores his second goal to take the lead. LOL

EDIT - I want to add that I understand what you guys are saying though. Just because he’s having a hot night doesn’t negate the fact that he was not that great for several seasons. If he is the best we’ve got, you’re probably right that we might be in trouble. :mehlin
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Post by: jammindude on November 04, 2021, 10:09:29 PM
Can any Pittsburgh fans tell me about Brandon Tanev? He made a goofy face on his head shot when he joined the Kracken and he’s instantly become my favorite just for that reason. LOL
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Post by: jammindude on November 04, 2021, 10:16:11 PM
And now Eberle has the first ever Kracken hat trick.
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Post by: LudwigVan on November 04, 2021, 10:51:40 PM
Eberle was the streakiest of scorers when he was on the Isles.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 05, 2021, 05:29:48 AM
And now Eberle has the first ever Kracken hat trick.

 :tup

Maybe I should 'dis' players more often  :lol

Lots of big-time scoring last night - Nelson and Bergeron each with 4 goals.  And 4/9 games go into OT last night.  It's good to be a hockey fan!
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Post by: pg1067 on November 05, 2021, 09:27:39 AM
A guy for the Red Wings just got a penalty for "playing without a helmet". Is this a penalty?? When did this happen?

I was half-watching/listening to a game the other day, and I heard the announcer say something along the lines of "Zagurski loses his helmet, but he picked it up and got it back up, and the ref let him stay on the ice."  Hard to believe it's been nearly 25 years since Afro MacTavish and his helmetless head retired.


SOG

SEA 28
BUF 8

Score is tied. Why do goalies suddenly turn into brick walls when they face us?

Three words:  expansion team offense.  Also, shot quantity does not equate to shot quality.
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Post by: SchecterShredder on November 05, 2021, 12:43:14 PM
I remember being in the building (Rexall Place,  at the time) for Eberle's first NHL goal on opening night. It was our first year with season seats, and that play had everyone out of their seat after that initial toe drag. Regarded as one of, if not the best, first ever goal.

https://youtu.be/tB9K_eG8_3I (https://youtu.be/tB9K_eG8_3I)
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 05, 2021, 12:48:00 PM
Well, Mario might have something to say about the best 1st goal ever - 1st game, 1st shift, 1st shot, 1st goal.  Put that in yer pipe and smoke it.

But damn... Eberle's was filthy.
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Post by: romdrums on November 05, 2021, 01:42:37 PM
How about Gabriel Vilardi scoring 10 seconds into his first shift?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4XneyUBdxI
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Post by: romdrums on November 05, 2021, 01:46:58 PM
Well, Mario might have something to say about the best 1st goal ever - 1st game, 1st shift, 1st shot, 1st goal.  Put that in yer pipe and smoke it.

But damn... Eberle's was filthy.

Mario's is tasty, though.
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Post by: SchecterShredder on November 05, 2021, 02:04:13 PM
How about Gabriel Vilardi scoring 10 seconds into his first shift?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4XneyUBdxI

Not exactly a great goal though lol. Tendy would've wanted that one back
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 05, 2021, 02:17:48 PM
How about Gabriel Vilardi scoring 10 seconds into his first shift?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4XneyUBdxI

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/UnlawfulHeartyChanticleer-max-1mb.gif)
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 05, 2021, 02:24:37 PM
Fuck that Leafs/Bolts game was awesome. Watch the highlight package boys. Both Campbell and Vasilevsky were lights out. Nice to get the win, even though they were crap in the 1st..

Sergechev will get at least 1 game, but he ought to get 2-3.  The puck was gone, it was clear head-first contact, it was not a fast moving play (ie COMPLETELY avoidable), and there was clear upward movement of his shoulder at impact. That was Dreger’s analysis, so it’s not just me being a homer.

And, as predicted, Sergechev gets 2 games.  Seems about right.

It's funny reading the different beat writers and the bias (I don't say that disparagingly, just factually).  I clicked on an NHL.com article about the Bolts/Leafs game last night from the Tampa perspective - and while they gave a good amount of credit to Campbell, the narrative was entirely that the Bolts beat themselves.  True enough, maybe they could've and should've put the Leafs away and not 'let' them hang around to get the tie and then win ... but the Leafs were ultimately the better team (just slightly).  They held on in the first while they were playing like crap, dominated in the 2nd, and then were just enough better in the 3rd to get the tie, and then the win.

Just thought it was funny how opposite the media narrative was from each cities perspective
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Post by: TAC on November 05, 2021, 06:45:20 PM
How is it, with TWO networks carrying games, that there's never any fucking games on?? >:( :censored >:(
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Post by: jammindude on November 05, 2021, 07:15:25 PM
I remember being in the building (Rexall Place,  at the time) for Eberle's first NHL goal on opening night. It was our first year with season seats, and that play had everyone out of their seat after that initial toe drag. Regarded as one of, if not the best, first ever goal.

https://youtu.be/tB9K_eG8_3I (https://youtu.be/tB9K_eG8_3I)

I had to wait for the slo-mo to even figure out what he did. That was really fun to watch.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on November 05, 2021, 10:26:54 PM
How the heck does the Rangers not contain McDavid in this spot?  They had four guys boxed around him and he still scores.  McDavid just outmaneuvered everyone there.

https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1456834061683601409
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Post by: SchecterShredder on November 06, 2021, 01:56:37 AM
How the heck does the Rangers not contain McDavid in this spot?  They had four guys boxed around him and he still scores.  McDavid just outmaneuvered everyone there.

https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1456834061683601409

Well, to be fair to the Rangers, McDavid is nightmare fuel  ;D
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 06, 2021, 04:52:45 AM
Just watched the highlight package ... man, that Oil/Ranger game must've been fun as hell to watch.  Great win by Edm.  But trust me, Leafs fans know, a strategy of simply out-gunning your opponents will catch up with you.  Offenses go on slumps much faster than Defenses can up their game.
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Post by: SchecterShredder on November 06, 2021, 06:44:29 AM
Just watched the highlight package ... man, that Oil/Ranger game must've been fun as hell to watch.  Great win by Edm.  But trust me, Leafs fans know, a strategy of simply out-gunning your opponents will catch up with you.  Offenses go on slumps much faster than Defenses can up their game.

I have no illusions that a high powered offense isn't going to cut it when the teams start getting stingy on D, and the league eventually remembers that 97 and 29 are beasts and play them accordingly
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Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 06, 2021, 08:46:23 AM
How the heck does the Rangers not contain McDavid in this spot?  They had four guys boxed around him and he still scores.  McDavid just outmaneuvered everyone there.

https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1456834061683601409

I don’t wanna talk about it. >:(
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 06, 2021, 02:10:05 PM
Ok, time for some predictions then.  Meant to do this earlier, but it's been a crazy week with work.
Awards:
Hart - McJesus (Matthews, Barkov)
Art Ross - McJesus (Panarin, Point)
Rocket - Matthews (Debrincat, Rantanen)
Norris - Makar (Hedman, Jones)
Vezina - Vasilevsky (Lehner, Varlamov or Sorokin ... whoever wins the #1 job)
Adams - Colliton (Gallant, Green)
Calder - Caufield (no clue)

Selke - no clue

Guess these two were the kiss of death.   :lol  I just can't grasp how Chicago is as bad as their record.
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Post by: SchecterShredder on November 06, 2021, 02:34:34 PM
Ok, time for some predictions then.  Meant to do this earlier, but it's been a crazy week with work.
Awards:
Hart - McJesus (Matthews, Barkov)
Art Ross - McJesus (Panarin, Point)
Rocket - Matthews (Debrincat, Rantanen)
Norris - Makar (Hedman, Jones)
Vezina - Vasilevsky (Lehner, Varlamov or Sorokin ... whoever wins the #1 job)
Adams - Colliton (Gallant, Green)
Calder - Caufield (no clue)

Selke - no clue

Guess these two were the kiss of death.   :lol  I just can't grasp how Chicago is as bad as their record.
At this rate Matthews won't even be close for the Rocket. Ovi looks like a man very much determined to beat Gretzky's record,  and i hope he does
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Post by: Anguyen92 on November 06, 2021, 02:34:53 PM
How about Gabriel Vilardi scoring 10 seconds into his first shift?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4XneyUBdxI

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/UnlawfulHeartyChanticleer-max-1mb.gif)

That a player that the Kings hope can comfortably play top 6 minutes and produce consistently in the future.  Hasn’t been as great as that debut game from time to time.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 06, 2021, 02:56:44 PM
Ok, time for some predictions then.  Meant to do this earlier, but it's been a crazy week with work.
Awards:
Hart - McJesus (Matthews, Barkov)
Art Ross - McJesus (Panarin, Point)
Rocket - Matthews (Debrincat, Rantanen)
Norris - Makar (Hedman, Jones)
Vezina - Vasilevsky (Lehner, Varlamov or Sorokin ... whoever wins the #1 job)
Adams - Colliton (Gallant, Green)
Calder - Caufield (no clue)

Selke - no clue

Guess these two were the kiss of death.   :lol  I just can't grasp how Chicago is as bad as their record.
At this rate Matthews won't even be close for the Rocket. Ovi looks like a man very much determined to beat Gretzky's record,  and i hope he does

Curious .... why?
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Post by: dparrott on November 06, 2021, 03:24:29 PM
Kraken's AHL team is now the Coachella Valley Firebirds.
https://cvfirebirds.com/
Nice to have a pro team local to me.
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Post by: SchecterShredder on November 06, 2021, 03:52:47 PM
Ok, time for some predictions then.  Meant to do this earlier, but it's been a crazy week with work.
Awards:
Hart - McJesus (Matthews, Barkov)
Art Ross - McJesus (Panarin, Point)
Rocket - Matthews (Debrincat, Rantanen)
Norris - Makar (Hedman, Jones)
Vezina - Vasilevsky (Lehner, Varlamov or Sorokin ... whoever wins the #1 job)
Adams - Colliton (Gallant, Green)
Calder - Caufield (no clue)

Selke - no clue

Guess these two were the kiss of death.   :lol  I just can't grasp how Chicago is as bad as their record.
At this rate Matthews won't even be close for the Rocket. Ovi looks like a man very much determined to beat Gretzky's record,  and i hope he does

Curious .... why?
I don't like to think that the all time goals and points are held by the same person from an era where goaltenders looked somewhat incompetent, and nobody cared about fitness. To think that those have been widely considered  unbreakable bothers me. 2800 points is as good as unbreakable.  I feel like Ovi has a serious shot at the goal record. Hell, i was pumped when Jagr passed Messier for 2nd overall in points. Records need to fall from time to time
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Post by: KevShmev on November 06, 2021, 04:31:52 PM

I don't like to think that the all time goals and points are held by the same person from an era where goaltenders looked somewhat incompetent, and nobody cared about fitness. To think that those have been widely considered  unbreakable bothers me. 2800 points is as good as unbreakable.  I feel like Ovi has a serious shot at the goal record. Hell, i was pumped when Jagr passed Messier for 2nd overall in points. Records need to fall from time to time

With all due respect, your age is showing.  Assuming it is correct in your profile (38), that means you are too young to have seen Gretzky play in his prime (and I believe that does matter).  Watching him play at his peak was literally like watching a man amongst boys. It was just ridiculous how much better he was at the game than literally everyone else, and the era when he had his prime had several other historically great players, so it's not like he had no competition.  The fact that Jagr, an all-time great, played for like 399 years and still couldn't get as many points as Gretzky had assists is a testament to how truly dominant 99 was.  It wasn't even fair.

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Post by: SchecterShredder on November 06, 2021, 05:39:50 PM
It's a fair criticism.  I didn't really start watching until '90, so i didn't get prime Gretzky.
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Post by: TAC on November 06, 2021, 09:12:48 PM
Just happened to have my Imgur open.

Took this pic of Gretz as he came off the ice after warmups for Game 4 of the '88 Finals. Yes, that was the night the lights went out at the Garden. The pic is a little dark..

(https://i.imgur.com/u9zvPpa.jpg)
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Post by: kingshmegland on November 06, 2021, 09:54:46 PM
Every time Gretzky had the puck I stopped breathing. The man came into the league scoring 51 goals his rookie year.

It was insane.
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Post by: jammindude on November 06, 2021, 10:05:44 PM
Possibly one of the more frustrating things about the first few games of the season has been that we were promised low scoring games with tons of defense. But it seems that we’ve been far more offensively productive than was expected and Grubaer (and our entire defense) has been Swiss cheese.
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Post by: Luoto on November 07, 2021, 01:43:26 AM
Calder - Caufield (no clue)

Anton Lundell (Florida) will probably be in consideration at this rate. He has 6 points in 7 games, has played big penalty kill and power play minutes from the get go, and showed his class when they beat the Canes without Barkov.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 07, 2021, 04:25:06 AM
I'm with Kev.  I consider myself blessed to have seen the greatest play in his prime.  And those 80s Oilers were simply stacked with talent.

Some things are comparable across eras though.  Why hadn't anyone before Gretzky been able to even come close to the kinds of numbers he put up.  Also, goaltenders were hardly incompetent - Vasilevsky played his 300th game the other night, and in the Leafs broadcast they flashed a stat that he had the 2nd most wins of all time in those first 300 at 195 games.  The leader?  Ken Dryden.  Also, 42 of Vas's wins were in OT/shootout.

Like Kev said, he was like sticking a 16-year old in a league of 8-year olds.  It was crazy how much better (particularly between the ears) he was.

Hey, I never thought Sawchuck's 103 shutouts would ever be broken, but Brodeur did it.  There's a chance that Ovi could do it, and it'd be impressive as shit if he did.  If anything though, I'm actually rooting against it.

I wish Mario had been able to be healthy.  He too was in a league of his own.
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Post by: KevShmev on November 07, 2021, 05:32:16 AM
Consider too that Mike Bossy is about as good a goal scorer as we have ever seen (I think he still might have the highest goals per game average, which of course was helped by him retiring early, so he didn't have a bunch of late in his career seasons that dragged his overall average down), and he was 2nd in the league in goals with 64 in 1981-1982 (his 3rd highest total in a season).

Gretzky was 1st with 92.  :eek :eek

Oh, and Gretzky had 120 assists that season as well.  :lol :lol :lol :lol :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek

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Post by: SchecterShredder on November 07, 2021, 06:18:37 AM
Gretzky's  single season goal total is unbreakable.  So is Teemu's rookie season goal tally. Hell, if a player scored 76 goals in a season period it would be astounding,  let alone if it were a rookie.
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Post by: TAC on November 07, 2021, 06:51:55 AM
Consider too that Mike Bossy is about as good a goal scorer as we have ever seen (I think he still might have the highest goals per game average, which of course was helped by him retiring early, so he didn't have a bunch of late in his career seasons that dragged his overall average down), and he was 2nd in the league in goals with 64 in 1981-1982 (his 3rd highest total in a season).

He is my all time favorite player.
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Post by: KevShmev on November 07, 2021, 07:42:22 AM
Consider too that Mike Bossy is about as good a goal scorer as we have ever seen (I think he still might have the highest goals per game average, which of course was helped by him retiring early, so he didn't have a bunch of late in his career seasons that dragged his overall average down), and he was 2nd in the league in goals with 64 in 1981-1982 (his 3rd highest total in a season).

He is my all time favorite player.

I was pretty young, but I got into hockey in the early 80s and that Islanders team was something else.  Kind of a shame that they got overshadowed by the Oilers dynasty, but we remember.  I'll be surprised to ever see another team win 4 championships in a row in any of the 4 major sports in my lifetime (Yankees came oh so close in '01 before losing in wonderfully heartbreaking fashion).
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Post by: romdrums on November 07, 2021, 09:05:36 AM
Calder - Caufield (no clue)

Anton Lundell (Florida) will probably be in consideration at this rate. He has 6 points in 7 games, has played big penalty kill and power play minutes from the get go, and showed his class when they beat the Canes without Barkov.

I’d say Lucas Raymond and Moritz Seider are the Calder front runners so far.  Raymond leads all rookies in scoring, has a hat trick and a 3-assist game so far.  Seider scored his first NHL goal last night, a beauty of an OT game winner, and leads in assists.  They have both been seeing tons of ice time in critical situations, as Raymond has cemented himself on the first line of the Wings, while Seider is essentially their #1 Defenseman. 
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Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 08, 2021, 07:43:51 PM
I thought the Rangers were gonna blow another big third period lead. Jesus Christ they stress me out.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on November 08, 2021, 08:26:04 PM
Whoop, whoop.  Kings won against the Leafs.  Sorry, Jingle. I was sweating the rest of the game after the Tavares goal even after the first Danault Goal (which really honestly looked pretty questionable).  It took a while but Danault and Iafallo on the same line is really clicking together.  That's good news all around for the team.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 09, 2021, 04:43:53 AM
Whoop, whoop.  Kings won against the Leafs.  Sorry, Jingle. I was sweating the rest of the game after the Tavares goal even after the first Danault Goal (which really honestly looked pretty questionable).  It took a while but Danault and Iafallo on the same line is really clicking together.  That's good news all around for the team.

Yeah, I only watched part of the 2nd last night while working out.  I had a feeling this wasn't going to be the Leafs' night.  I think if Matthews had been able to tie it at 2 with that rush he had down the boards (but just rang it off the post), it might've been a different game.  That Dannault goal was 'good' - the first attempt looked like a clear kick, but the puck just ricocheted off his skate after that.

Wish they'd put a better effort forth in front of Campbell, but oh well.
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Post by: pg1067 on November 09, 2021, 10:18:19 AM
Whoop, whoop.  Kings won against the Leafs.  Sorry, Jingle. I was sweating the rest of the game after the Tavares goal even after the first Danault Goal (which really honestly looked pretty questionable).  It took a while but Danault and Iafallo on the same line is really clicking together.  That's good news all around for the team.

Five in a row!  Yeah!  I didn't get to see the game, but the guys on the postgame were calling it one of the team's best overall efforts in years.  Hopefully it continues tonight (but it probably won't since I'll actually be able to watch most of the game) and the winning streak continues.
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Post by: kingshmegland on November 09, 2021, 07:08:23 PM
My nephew plays on the Boston Bruins ice Saturday for a show that plays between periods of the Bruins broadcast during the year.

It's called Mini "One on One" that has happened since the 70's that my brother and I fantasized about and in full circle,  his son gets to play in it.  Proud moment for our family.

(https://i.postimg.cc/hPh72Lzf/Screenshot-20211109-204557-Facebook.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Post by: TAC on November 09, 2021, 07:31:47 PM
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/l3V0wkQ2KKcAeW8Cs/giphy.gif)
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Post by: Anguyen92 on November 09, 2021, 07:52:24 PM
See, those are the moments we want to see more of in the world of hockey nowadays.  Great to see that, King.
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Post by: kingshmegland on November 09, 2021, 07:55:52 PM
My brother and I are like kids again. I was there when he got the news.  Super big hugs and a million high fives.

We are so excited for him.
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Post by: jammindude on November 09, 2021, 09:56:37 PM
The announcer said something tonight that I have heard almost every announcer say at nearly every Kraken game.

“The stat sheet shows Seattle is dominating…but the score does not reflect it.”

This is becoming a running theme
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Post by: KevShmev on November 10, 2021, 05:13:39 AM
The importance of goaltending can never be overstated.

Case in point: Binnington stole that game for the Blues last night in Winnipeg.  :hat :hat
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Post by: Willthescout7 on November 10, 2021, 05:29:28 AM
The Blackhawks have looked different since Cotillion was dismissed.
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Post by: TAC on November 10, 2021, 06:25:15 AM
The Blackhawks have looked different since Cotillion was dismissed.

He was over his head from the jump. I cannot believe he lasted that long.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on November 10, 2021, 06:00:19 PM
Whistles.... Ducks GM, Bob Murray, has resigned and is going to enroll into an alcohol-abuse program.

https://www.nhl.com/ducks/news/bob-murray-resigns-from-position-as-ducks-evp--general-manager/c-327799704

Ducks higher-ups really took swift action on this one.  Stated yesterday that they had to put him on a leave pending investigation and the action to resign was made today.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 11, 2021, 04:53:38 AM
Word is the league is expecting ownership and executives to take a look 'under the hood' of the organization, and address behaviour(s) that would've been dismissed or swept away in the past.  I'd be surprised if this was the last of these kinds of departures.

Solid team win by the Leafs last night.  Say, Nick... when did Giroux become such a proficient diver?  He gave quite the performance on those first two penalties he drew.
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Post by: Willthescout7 on November 11, 2021, 05:11:10 AM
The Blackhawks have looked different since Cotillion was dismissed.

He was over his head from the jump. I cannot believe he lasted that long.

To give him some credit, he was put into an awful situation from the get go. Too young to command respect from the veterans, a team stuck between rebuild and contending, and he never once got a full season to coach (not counting the 56 game season as a full season). It doesn't absolve him of his errors in gameplans, scheme and motivation, but it does make you feel for the guy a bit.
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Post by: TAC on November 11, 2021, 09:22:54 AM
The Blackhawks have looked different since Cotillion was dismissed.

He was over his head from the jump. I cannot believe he lasted that long.

To give him some credit, he was put into an awful situation from the get go. Too young to command respect from the veterans, a team stuck between rebuild and contending, and he never once got a full season to coach (not counting the 56 game season as a full season). It doesn't absolve him of his errors in gameplans, scheme and motivation, but it does make you feel for the guy a bit.

Yeah well that’s what I mean when I said he was over his head. It wasn’t necessarily his fault.
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Post by: jammindude on November 11, 2021, 10:16:52 PM
WHAT A GAME!!!

I think we’d be ahead of Grubaeur would get his head about him.
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Post by: jammindude on November 11, 2021, 10:30:52 PM
UGH….REALLY disagree with pulling the goalie with almost 3 minutes left. I think that’s a hair too soon. Now we’re done for.
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Post by: pg1067 on November 12, 2021, 09:47:41 AM
SEVEN IN A ROW for the Kings!

Hopefully the "real" Kings are closer to the team that has won seven in a row than to the team that lost six in a row before that, but this is really fun!
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Post by: SchecterShredder on November 12, 2021, 10:16:05 AM
UGH….REALLY disagree with pulling the goalie with almost 3 minutes left. I think that’s a hair too soon. Now we’re done for.

Out of curiosity, why do you think that's too early to pull the goalie?


Back in the day you'd usually only see an empty net in the last minute or so of the game, but I think coaches started pulling them earlier to get multiple shifts out of their top players (potential fake news alert: I have no idea if this actually true). With only a minute left you get one crack at tying it with your top line. I have no issue with a coach treating it like a powerplay, and trying to get a full 2+ minutes with the extra skater. It's always going to be a huge risk with the net empty, but there's almost no consequence to allowing the extra goal. If you're going to lose by 1 you might as well lose by 2 while swinging for the fence. Goal differential is so far down the tie breaker list that it's a non-issue.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 12, 2021, 10:27:09 AM
I remember hearing that the 'analytics' showed the highest percentage chance of getting a tie'g goal was somewhere around the 2:30 time frame.  I remember years ago, Patrick Roy (when he was coaching the Avs) pulled his goalie with over 6 minutes to go - at the time, there was a study that suggested 6:10 was the most optimal time to pull the goal. (https://www.sportscasting.com/statistics-say-this-is-when-nhl-teams-should-pull-the-goalie/)

Current thinking - https://galea.medium.com/when-to-pull-the-goalie-running-the-numbers-on-nhl-goalie-pulls-9fad2a6caceb

Quote
TLDR;
As discussed in the results section of this post, I found that it’s optimal to pull an NHL goalie when there’s 3:00 left in the period. In this case, you would have 1 in 4 odds of scoring.
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Post by: jammindude on November 12, 2021, 10:32:29 AM
The extra attacker is one thing, but it’s not like you have no chance at even strength. I would concede that the old-school way of doing it at one minute is probably putting your offense in a bit of a pinch. But two minutes seems pretty reasonable to me (like SS said…it becomes a last minute power play at that point). More than that and it’s almost like you’re not even trusting your regular offense to just be aggressive and do their job.

And six minutes just seems silly to me. That would be like throwing a Hail Mary with 6 minutes left to play.
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Post by: SchecterShredder on November 12, 2021, 10:39:59 AM
I remember hearing that the 'analytics' showed the highest percentage chance of getting a tie'g goal was somewhere around the 2:30 time frame.  I remember years ago, Patrick Roy (when he was coaching the Avs) pulled his goalie with over 6 minutes to go - at the time, there was a study that suggested 6:10 was the most optimal time to pull the goal. (https://www.sportscasting.com/statistics-say-this-is-when-nhl-teams-should-pull-the-goalie/)

Current thinking - https://galea.medium.com/when-to-pull-the-goalie-running-the-numbers-on-nhl-goalie-pulls-9fad2a6caceb

Quote
TLDR;
As discussed in the results section of this post, I found that it’s optimal to pull an NHL goalie when there’s 3:00 left in the period. In this case, you would have 1 in 4 odds of scoring.

I love how this is some hockey fan with a Master of Science in physics who's just bored and whips up a data model using Python. As a fellow data scientist nerd, this makes me chuckle.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 12, 2021, 10:47:55 AM
Data don't lie!
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Post by: axeman90210 on November 12, 2021, 02:36:46 PM
Data don't lie!

Thank you for making me think of the greatest promo in wrestling history

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msDuNZyYAIQ
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Post by: Anguyen92 on November 12, 2021, 03:41:20 PM
Data don't lie!

Thank you for making me think of the greatest promo in wrestling history

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msDuNZyYAIQ

Ahhh, Scott Steiner.  If only his peak wrestling abilities in the early 90s meshed well with his nonsense ramblings in the 00s.

Scott Steiner - He's Fat! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZqo4OZ0Pqs)
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 12, 2021, 03:45:38 PM
Carolina is jingle.son's 2nd fave team.  The college he attends, and will finally be on campus for in January, is in Ottawa, so he's trying to make himeslf a Sens fan (side note... this isn't a bad plan considering how good they're gonna be in a few years).  Anywho.... just bought him tix as a Christmas gift for the Sens/Canes game in Ottawa for Jan 27th.  Spurged just a little bit, and got 3rd row right behind the Sens bench.  And we'd already got a Svechnikov (his fave player) jersey for him too.  Gonna be a sweet haul for him next month.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on November 12, 2021, 04:01:36 PM
Awww, snaps.  That sounds awesome.  Great gifts.
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Post by: kingshmegland on November 13, 2021, 03:05:47 PM
Proud family moment with my nephew playing on the Boston Garden ice today.


(https://i.postimg.cc/02x8wKHB/20211113-115400.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PN3sGJHW)

(https://i.postimg.cc/zvN1K4pg/20211113-115127.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8JZ3VK2p)


(https://i.postimg.cc/QxX3tGFL/20211113-114259.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4nFML0vw)
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Post by: TAC on November 13, 2021, 03:08:39 PM
That's awesome Joe. Make sure we get a heads up when they are broadcast.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 13, 2021, 03:13:45 PM
Simply amazing!
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Post by: kingshmegland on November 13, 2021, 03:21:14 PM
Will do!
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Post by: SchecterShredder on November 13, 2021, 06:26:42 PM
My nephew gets to play at Roger's Place next weekend for his minor hockey game. It's right after the Edmonton Oil Kings game (WHL team), so all the kids go to the game then suit up for their own after. Amazing experience for these kids. Glad to hear Boston has some kind of program that lets kids have that experience.
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Post by: kingshmegland on November 13, 2021, 06:35:34 PM
They film them and play them between periods on the Bruins broadcast.
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Post by: TAC on November 13, 2021, 06:43:17 PM
They film them and play them between periods on the Bruins broadcast.

What, no spoilers?
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Post by: kingshmegland on November 13, 2021, 06:51:47 PM
Oh they got crushed by the eventual winners in their division.

3 minutes,  no stop.  You win, you move on.  You lose, you are out.
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Post by: TAC on November 13, 2021, 06:59:40 PM
Oh they got crushed by the eventual winners in their division.

3 minutes,  no stop.  You win, you move on.  You lose, you are out.

How was he after the game?
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Post by: kingshmegland on November 13, 2021, 07:23:52 PM
He was good. Surprisingly.   I think the glow of playing in the Garden took over.

Hell, I was all stary eyed. Lol
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Post by: gmillerdrake on November 13, 2021, 08:15:59 PM
Been pretty good about not getting too upset about regular season losses but losing to the Canes tonight was about as mad as I’ve been. Simply because we ding the post and outplay them for 2 of the 3 periods and do everything but score in the third and then allow a basic screen shot goal to them for the winner. It is what it is I suppose and it was against a rookie 21 year old goalie but this L ticked me off a bit.
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Post by: KevShmev on November 14, 2021, 08:03:21 AM
Been pretty good about not getting too upset about regular season losses but losing to the Canes tonight was about as mad as I’ve been. Simply because we ding the post and outplay them for 2 of the 3 periods and do everything but score in the third and then allow a basic screen shot goal to them for the winner. It is what it is I suppose and it was against a rookie 21 year old goalie but this L ticked me off a bit.

It's always a bummer to come back from a 2-0 deficit and have nothing to show for it in the standings (since it was a loss in regulation), but they still played well overall, which was nice to see.  It's a long season, so gotta take the good with the bad. :)
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 15, 2021, 06:28:15 AM
I would've never thought Anaheim and Calgary would start this strong ... and conversely, I thought Vancouver and the Isles were going to be much better.  Isles are somewhat forgiven, having to start the season on a 5-week road trip; they finally get a home game this weekend.

Vegas and the Leafs (both 8-2 in their last 10) recovered nicely after shaky starts, but Nashville is the hottest team in the league??  Jersey and Detroit are also surprisingly competitive.

Damn it's good to be a hockey fan.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 15, 2021, 01:40:00 PM
Welp.

Quote
The NHL postponed three Ottawa Senators games on Monday amid a COVID-19 outbreak on the team, the first time any of North America’s major professional sports leagues have been hit by rescheduling this fall because of the coronavirus.

Games scheduled for Tuesday at New Jersey, at home Thursday against Nashville and at home Saturday against the New York Rangers were postponed. Ten Senators players are currently in the NHL's COVID-19 protocol.

While Ottawa played shorthanded Sunday in a 4-0 loss to Calgary, the depth of the outbreak led to the decision to postpone games, which the league said was made in light of evidence of continued spread in recent days. The Senators are shut down through at least Saturday, with their training facilities closed to players until then as a precaution.

“The Senators organization has, and will continue to follow, all recommended guidelines aimed at protecting the health and safety of its players, staff and community at large as set by the NHL, local, provincial and national agencies,” the league said in a statement.

Neither the NFL nor the NBA has had to postpone a game so far this fall. Major League Baseball had nine virus-related postponements among 2,430 scheduled games, down from 45 in last year’s shortened 900-game schedule.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on November 15, 2021, 06:15:21 PM
^^ Don't think this could be something that would stop the league from sending players to the Olympics, but certainly a step closer for the league wanting to be trigger happy about pulling out and I'm sure Bettman and co. want to be very trigger happy about wanting to pull out.

https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1460345209838002181
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Post by: SchecterShredder on November 16, 2021, 06:17:39 AM
No way the NHL backs out unless they absolutely have to.  They have almost no presence in the largest market in the world. The Olympics are exactly the exposure they want, otherwise they works have skipped them like the Korea games. It's going to take a lot more than a handful of canceled games for them not to showcase their stars in China.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on November 16, 2021, 10:28:09 PM
Well, Staples Center is going to be renamed into Crypto.com Arena???  Just why AEG?  WHY?  Can't you find a better sponsor that can bring a better name?  Apparently, this is going to be part of a 20 year deal.  Is Crypto still going to be a thing for the next 20 years?

https://theathletic.com/news/staples-center-to-be-renamed-cryptocom-arena-as-part-of-20-year-naming-rights-deal-sources/tKIBSv6jWb1b/

The link is a paywall, but that was the source.
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Post by: KevShmev on November 17, 2021, 06:21:51 AM
Losing at home to the Coyotes is embarrassing. I know it's a long season and there will be ups and downs, but jeez. Come on, Blues, get it together.  :censored :censored
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 17, 2021, 06:37:06 AM
Losing at home to the Coyotes is embarrassing. I know it's a long season and there will be ups and downs, but jeez. Come on, Blues, get it together.  :censored :censored

Zoinks!

Another very entertaining game last night between the 2 hottest teams in the league... and a nice outcome too.  Leafs also get Kyle Clifford back, so the trade that brought Campbell to the Leafs is definitely looking more and more like a very big win for the Leafs - Trevor Moore and a couple of 3rd rounders was the cost for what is (currently) the best goalie in the league.  Hard to believe that James Reimer is also tied for 1st in GAA and SV%... on San Jose no less!
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Post by: TAC on November 17, 2021, 06:45:58 AM
I couldn't watch hockey last night other than live look-ins on the NHL network.

Just to reiterate what I said a couple of weeks ago...


How is it, with TWO networks carrying games, that there's never any fucking games on?? >:( :censored >:(
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 17, 2021, 07:21:21 AM
I couldn't watch hockey last night other than live look-ins on the NHL network.

Just to reiterate what I said a couple of weeks ago...


How is it, with TWO networks carrying games, that there's never any fucking games on?? >:( :censored >:(

Sorry 'bout your luck (sincerely).  No problem up here - between TSN and SportsNet (both of which have 5 distinct broadcast channels), every Leafs game is aired, and (depending on blackout rules), I can view at least 1 or 2 other games any given night with the other 6 Canadian teams if I wanted to.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on November 17, 2021, 07:50:05 AM
Losing at home to the Coyotes is embarrassing. I know it's a long season and there will be ups and downs, but jeez. Come on, Blues, get it together.  :censored :censored

That was pretty bad. All sorts of chances to score but couldn’t bury the puck…..another soft game by Binnington who was playing on fire for a while…..last two games he’s looked wretched. Just an all around bad game. The best part about it for me was after the game when my youngest went full anger mode at the TV when they lost. A chip off the ol block  :lol
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Post by: SchecterShredder on November 17, 2021, 08:32:29 AM
I couldn't watch hockey last night other than live look-ins on the NHL network.

Just to reiterate what I said a couple of weeks ago...


How is it, with TWO networks carrying games, that there's never any fucking games on?? >:( :censored >:(

Sorry 'bout your luck (sincerely).  No problem up here - between TSN and SportsNet (both of which have 5 distinct broadcast channels), every Leafs game is aired, and (depending on blackout rules), I can view at least 1 or 2 other games any given night with the other 6 Canadian teams if I wanted to.
Yeah,  we're pretty fortunate up here.  Tons of coverage.  One of the only reasons i still have cable. Well, sports and the trash reality tv Mrs Schecter enjoys.
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Post by: TAC on November 17, 2021, 08:46:55 AM
Well I think the Bruins have played the least amount of games and they’re on a 5 day layoff this week.

It seemed like last year, the NHL network was also broadcasting games. I felt there was a game on every night.

Now I can’t find them.
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Post by: SchecterShredder on November 17, 2021, 08:49:42 AM
Well I think the Bruins have played the least amount of games and they’re on a 5 day layoff this week.

It seemed like last year, the NHL network was also broadcasting games. I felt there was a game on every night.

Now I can’t find them.

Odd that they'd have a 5 day break this early in the season, or at all in a compressed Olympic year schedule.
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Post by: TAC on November 17, 2021, 08:54:55 AM
While the Avs have played the fewest games at 12, the B’s have only played 13. On our division, Montreal and Detroit have already played 18!!

And of the 13 Bruins games, one was on ESPN+, which is a subscription service and another one was opposite a Pats game at 1:00 on a Sunday! WTF??

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Post by: Anguyen92 on November 17, 2021, 09:33:41 AM
Losing at home to the Coyotes is embarrassing. I know it's a long season and there will be ups and downs, but jeez. Come on, Blues, get it together.  :censored :censored

Zoinks!

Another very entertaining game last night between the 2 hottest teams in the league... and a nice outcome too.  Leafs also get Kyle Clifford back, so the trade that brought Campbell to the Leafs is definitely looking more and more like a very big win for the Leafs - Trevor Moore and a couple of 3rd rounders was the cost for what is (currently) the best goalie in the league.  Hard to believe that James Reimer is also tied for 1st in GAA and SV%... on San Jose no less!

Congratulations.  They going to resign him at a fair price in the offseason?
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 17, 2021, 09:48:07 AM
Some people think he might take a bit of a discount to stay in Toronto; I'm not so sure.  I can see a 4x4 kinda deal.  One (arguably 1 1/2) terrific season isn't going to launch a 30-year old with only 150 NHL games under his belt into Grubauer territory or anything.
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Post by: pg1067 on November 17, 2021, 12:14:01 PM
Well, Staples Center is going to be renamed into Crypto.com Arena???  Just why AEG?  WHY?  Can't you find a better sponsor that can bring a better name?  Apparently, this is going to be part of a 20 year deal.  Is Crypto still going to be a thing for the next 20 years?

Utterly stupid.

That building will never not be "The Stapler."
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Post by: SchecterShredder on November 17, 2021, 01:43:27 PM
Just for you, Chad. My friend's new pin.

(https://i.imgur.com/qgo93H9.png)

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Post by: jingle.boy on November 17, 2021, 01:52:28 PM
Cheaper too!
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Post by: TAC on November 17, 2021, 08:03:50 PM
Hey whaddya know..there's a game on tonight.

At 10 fucking PM! :censored
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Post by: jammindude on November 17, 2021, 08:45:54 PM
Hey whaddya know..there's a game on tonight.

At 10 fucking PM! :censored

When do west coast games usually come on for you?  :angel:
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Post by: jammindude on November 18, 2021, 09:41:58 AM
Ah… I see I’m not alone in being immediately drawn to Brandon Tanev.

And according to this quote from an ESPN article, there’s a reason he’s become a quick fan favorite in Seattle.

Quote
Tanev's cult status started with the headshot. The one he took while playing for the Penguins, bulging his eyes widely with a concerned look on his face. His explanation at the time: "I did actually see a ghost. It was walking behind the gentleman who was taking our pictures. Kinda caught me off guard."

When Tanev was drafted by the Kraken, he was one of the players who showed up in Seattle for the roster unveiling. The photo was shown to the crowd, to rolling laughter.

"We're a quirky set of people up here. Anyone that looks like he's a member of a grunge band in a mugshot is going to endear himself quickly," Patrick M said.

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Post by: pg1067 on November 18, 2021, 10:01:02 AM
Hey whaddya know..there's a game on tonight.

At 10 fucking PM! :censored

When do west coast games usually come on for you?  :angel:

Right?

It's why I always say I could never live on the east coast.  When the Kings play in other time zones, the games start between 4:xx and 6:xx, and Pacific time zone games start at 7:xx, and every regular season game is done by 10:30.  However, if you're in the eastern time zone, the games end no earlier than 10:00, and games in the Pacific time zone aren't likely to end until after 1:00 a.m.!  The times I've intentionally stayed up past 1:00 a.m. in the last 20 years have been few and far between.
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Post by: SchecterShredder on November 18, 2021, 10:38:30 AM
The times I've intentionally stayed up past 1:00 a.m. in the last 20 years have been few and far between.

Same here. Something must have gone horribly wrong with my day if I'm still awake at 1am
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Post by: jammindude on November 18, 2021, 10:46:35 AM
(https://imgur.com/a/7iJMTad)

Arrrgggg….posting image links from Imgur used to work! I did it exactly like this for a few posts in the AC/DC thread and then it just stopped working and I can’t figure out why!

[old man yelling at cloud]
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Post by: SchecterShredder on November 18, 2021, 11:52:53 AM
(https://imgur.com/a/7iJMTad)

Arrrgggg….posting image links from Imgur used to work! I did it exactly like this for a few posts in the AC/DC thread and then it just stopped working and I can’t figure out why!

[old man yelling at cloud]
Worked fine for me yesterday...
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Staples Center is now Crypto.com Arena where the Kings play.
Post by: jingle.boy on November 18, 2021, 12:43:43 PM
Hey whaddya know..there's a game on tonight.

At 10 fucking PM! :censored

When do west coast games usually come on for you?  :angel:

Right?

It's why I always say I could never live on the east coast.  When the Kings play in other time zones, the games start between 4:xx and 6:xx, and Pacific time zone games start at 7:xx, and every regular season game is done by 10:30.  However, if you're in the eastern time zone, the games end no earlier than 10:00, and games in the Pacific time zone aren't likely to end until after 1:00 a.m.!  The times I've intentionally stayed up past 1:00 a.m. in the last 20 years have been few and far between.

It's only an issue in May/June to tell you the truth.  I don't remember the last time there was a west coast regular season game so compelling that I wanted to stay up for it.

I was a big Calgary fan back in the 80s and 90s, and fuck me hard back in '90 when they went to double OT against LA in Game 6, and again in '94 with game 7 vs Vancouver!  Thank god I was young, and not in school at the time.
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Post by: kingshmegland on November 18, 2021, 12:46:10 PM
Game 1 in the 1990 Stanley Cup finals between the Oilers & Bruins was so damn long I fell asleep and missed the Oilers goal in the 3rd overtime.  I was only 22 but I was working early at the time 6 am.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on November 18, 2021, 01:37:56 PM
I remember those days back in the 2014 Olympics where I was able to stay up until 2AM and 3AM to watch the hockey tournaments.  Don't think I can do that kind of stuff in 2022.
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Post by: KevShmev on November 18, 2021, 07:16:54 PM
Game 1 in the 1990 Stanley Cup finals between the Oilers & Bruins was so damn long I fell asleep and missed the Oilers goal in the 3rd overtime.  I was only 22 but I was working early at the time 6 am.

I swear, there have been a few Blues playoff games that went so long that in my trying to stay awake phase, there were a few times where I thought, "I don't even care if we win, just somebody please score!" :eek :eek
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Post by: TAC on November 18, 2021, 07:30:30 PM
Game 1 in the 1990 Stanley Cup finals between the Oilers & Bruins was so damn long I fell asleep and missed the Oilers goal in the 3rd overtime.  I was only 22 but I was working early at the time 6 am.
Petr fucking Klima!

I was at the end of my senior year of college and I watched it at the the TV room in the campus center. I was the only one sitting there when the GWG was scored. The Bruins never recovered.

That room was called Nick's Place, in honor of Nicholas Colasanto, who was also a graduate of Bryant College.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 19, 2021, 05:45:12 AM
Game 1 in the 1990 Stanley Cup finals between the Oilers & Bruins was so damn long I fell asleep and missed the Oilers goal in the 3rd overtime.  I was only 22 but I was working early at the time 6 am.
Petr fucking Klima!

I was at the end of my senior year of college and I watched it at the the TV room in the campus center. I was the only one sitting there when the GWG was scored. The Bruins never recovered.

That room was called Nick's Place, in honor of Nicholas Colasanto, who was also a graduate of Bryant College.

50/50 chance you don't know who that is.   :lol

Lots of close games last nigh - I think 3 went to shoot-out?

I sure hope the Leafs aren't 'peaking' right now, but man they look good.
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Post by: TAC on November 19, 2021, 06:09:31 AM
It’s Coach from Cheers! :P :P :P
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Post by: KevShmev on November 19, 2021, 06:11:14 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/kPvB85f.gif)
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Post by: kingshmegland on November 19, 2021, 07:12:06 AM
 :lol

How about this for a nugget.

The Pats have played more games than the Bruins this week. :lol

WTF NHL.  13 games so far. 
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Post by: jammindude on November 19, 2021, 08:42:15 PM
So this seems a little weird to me. Seattle just got called for high-sticking which I suppose it technically was. But the replay clearly showed that a Colorado player behind him hooked his stick and lifted it up so that it hit another player in the face.

Have you guys seen this kind of thing before? Because that seems pretty lame
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Post by: TAC on November 19, 2021, 08:43:37 PM
It's possible the ref didn't see that in real time.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 20, 2021, 05:32:32 AM
So this seems a little weird to me. Seattle just got called for high-sticking which I suppose it technically was. But the replay clearly showed that a Colorado player behind him hooked his stick and lifted it up so that it hit another player in the face.

Have you guys seen this kind of thing before? Because that seems pretty lame

Not uncommon.  The only time that can be reviewed, is if it is a 4-minute double minor (ie, blood was drawn from the high-stick).  If replays show it was the stick of a player from his own team, the penalty can be reversed.  If it's just a 2-minute penalty, it can't be reviewed, and it's a "whoops ... shit out of luck"

Shit happens.
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Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 21, 2021, 06:40:28 PM
Happy the Rangers won, but you gotta feel for the Sabres there, literally conceding the game winning goal in the last second of the game.
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Post by: jammindude on November 21, 2021, 10:53:07 PM
Happy to see the Kraken breaking a six game losing streak by handing the Caps their first loss in 7.  :angel:  And Grubauer finally looked like Grubauer tonight (22 saves and 0 GA in the 3rd)

They are giving me more hope than the Seahawks right now. So bring on the Canes!
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Post by: Anguyen92 on November 21, 2021, 11:03:33 PM
Happy to see the Kraken breaking a six game losing streak by handing the Caps their first loss in 7.  :angel:  And Grubauer finally looked like Grubauer tonight (22 saves and 0 GA in the 3rd)

They are giving me more hope than the Seahawks right now. So bring on the Canes!

Be careful what you wish for.  If the Kraken falls behind after two periods, the Hurricanes are just going to suffocate their opponents in the 3rd and not let anything in.  Last Saturday against the Kings was a good example of that.  That one and today's game against the Coyotes was a bummer.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 22, 2021, 06:48:15 AM
Happy the Rangers won, but you gotta feel for the Sabres there, literally conceding the game winning goal in the last second of the game.

Buffalo be Buffalo'g.  4-4 ties seem to be a kiss of death for them - the Leafs got a 5-4 victory last week with the GWG coming with less than 10 seconds to go.  Not quite as dramatic as yesterday, but still.

Nice bounce-back by the Leafs after they slept-walked thru their game Saturday against the Pens - albeit against a COVID wounded Isles squad.  Cool to see a 23-year old rookie get his first NHL shutout.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 22, 2021, 06:56:16 AM
Thank you Calgary for a late birthday gift.   :metal

 :biggrin: @ Tim/Joe
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Post by: romdrums on November 22, 2021, 11:06:13 AM
:lol

How about this for a nugget.

The Pats have played more games than the Bruins this week. :lol

WTF NHL.  13 games so far.

And at the other end of that, the Wings and Habs are already at 20 games each!
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: Anguyen92 on November 24, 2021, 11:08:48 AM
So the Devils brought out their 3rd jersey design and this is the end result..... People aren't really digging it.  I mean the non-logo part of the design is all right, but the logo itself.... Yeah....

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FE4lZxeXsAYz4YW?format=jpg)

https://twitter.com/NJDevils/status/1463148457691123719
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Post by: gmillerdrake on November 24, 2021, 11:36:40 AM
Ehh....not a fan of those at all.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 24, 2021, 12:16:16 PM
I'll be blunt ... it's fucking terrible.
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Post by: TAC on November 24, 2021, 12:43:13 PM
Thank you Calgary for a late birthday gift.   :metal

 :biggrin: @ Tim/Joe

I meant to get back to this...

The Bruins looked awful in this game. They just didn't seem into it. If Bergeron and Marchand aren't going, and they weren't, the Bruins have no offence. Pasta, perhaps still reeling from the loss of his child this summer, has been terrible.

What's worse is that Dan Vladar, the B's 3rd round pick in 2015 draft, shut out the Bruins. I mean, has there ever been a worse draft in the history of drafts? I mean, Brandon Carlo was a find, but when you have 3 mid first round picks, and three more 2nd round picks, and all you get is Brandon Carlo...WTF??
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Post by: gmillerdrake on November 24, 2021, 01:00:49 PM
I'll be blunt ... it's fucking terrible.

Players/fans etc etc of New Jersey will be forced to say they like them because Brodeur designed them. I think he should stick to Enterprise commercials and public appearances.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 24, 2021, 01:22:39 PM
I'll be blunt ... it's fucking terrible.

Players/fans etc etc of New Jersey will be forced to say they like them because Brodeur designed them. I think he should stick to Enterprise commercials and public appearances.

I dunno man... those Enterprise commercials are awfully cringey.
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Post by: TAC on November 24, 2021, 01:24:21 PM
I'll be blunt ... it's fucking terrible.

Players/fans etc etc of New Jersey will be forced to say they like them because Brodeur designed them. I think he should stick to Enterprise commercials and public appearances.

I dunno man... those Enterprise commercials are awfully cringey.

I kind of liked them.
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Post by: pg1067 on November 24, 2021, 01:36:24 PM
So the Devils brought out their 3rd jersey design and this is the end result..... People aren't really digging it.  I mean the non-logo part of the design is all right, but the logo itself.... Yeah....

....

https://twitter.com/NJDevils/status/1463148457691123719

So...

It's the new New Jersey jersey!
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: jingle.boy on November 24, 2021, 02:36:49 PM
So the Devils brought out their 3rd jersey design and this is the end result..... People aren't really digging it.  I mean the non-logo part of the design is all right, but the logo itself.... Yeah....

....

https://twitter.com/NJDevils/status/1463148457691123719

So...

It's the new New Jersey jersey!

Actually, it's the new New Jersey jersey.
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Post by: axeman90210 on November 24, 2021, 07:33:44 PM
In fact I'd go so far as to label it the new New Jersey "jersey" jersey. And yeah, pretty much nobody likes them :lol
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Post by: romdrums on November 24, 2021, 08:03:34 PM
It would be great if the band Helmet bought the ad space on the helmets.  Also, it’s too bad they don’t have anyone one on the team with the last name Shore with the number 69.
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Post by: jammindude on November 24, 2021, 10:41:34 PM
After losing six straight, we win two in a row both against winning teams.

Grubauer looks 100% better than he did when the season started. I don’t think it will last through the Florida road trip, but at least I feel a bit more like this team is finding their feet moving forward.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on November 24, 2021, 10:45:06 PM
^^ This is how they get you.  They just give you some form of hope, when all seems futile, until it gets crushed in some way later down the line.  The Kings gave me that hope in that 7 game winning streak and naturally, they have fallen hard in the last five.  Sometimes, hope is what we are looking for in our hockey teams and what keeps people around if they are not perceived to be good.
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Post by: jammindude on November 24, 2021, 11:43:30 PM
^^ This is how they get you.  They just give you some form of hope, when all seems futile, until it gets crushed in some way later down the line.  The Kings gave me that hope in that 7 game winning streak and naturally, they have fallen hard in the last five.  Sometimes, hope is what we are looking for in our hockey teams and what keeps people around if they are not perceived to be good.

 :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 25, 2021, 05:09:14 AM
Speaking of helmets, what the fuq was with those mirrors the Kings had on their heads last night?  Aye carumba!  Nice to see the Leafs offense come alive. 

^^ This is how they get you.  They just give you some form of hope, when all seems futile, until it gets crushed in some way later down the line.  The Kings gave me that hope in that 7 game winning streak and naturally, they have fallen hard in the last five.  Sometimes, hope is what we are looking for in our hockey teams and what keeps people around if they are not perceived to be good.

Pretty much.  Impressive to beat the Canes, though.

The Canucks and Islanders simply do not look good, and it's gonna be a tough haul for them to get into the playoffs.  Calgary is surprisingly excellent - though, I guess it shouldn't really be too surprising with Sutter behind the bench.
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Post by: SchecterShredder on November 25, 2021, 06:27:54 AM
Just checked in on the scoring leader board...Kadri is top five with 25pts? How on earth did that happen?
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 25, 2021, 06:45:25 AM
Just checked in on the scoring leader board...Kadri is top five with 25pts? How on earth did that happen?

Yeah... I noticed that this morning as well.  Likely because MacKinnon has only played 8 games so far this year.  He's actually a pretty talented player, just a complete douche-waffle (dare I say even bigger than Marchand  :omg:)

Another stat I just noticed, TB only has 6 regular time wins, and leads the league in ties (going 5-3 in OT/SO). I wonder what the split on those ties is where they blew the lead, or came back.  Also, Seattle has 6 regular time wins.
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Post by: TAC on November 25, 2021, 07:28:25 AM
Calgary is surprisingly excellent - though, I guess it shouldn't really be too surprising with Sutter behind the bench.

Was Jakob Markstrom not healthy the last couple of years? I thought he ws on his way to becoming one of the game's best goalies. He's playing great this year. #2 in both GAA and Save%.

And yes, Sutter makes a huge difference.

I guess they were ready to move on from Giordano. Perhaps the chemistry in the room is better without him.

The Flames made the Briuns look like an ECHL team last week.

And I also wanted to say that the Flames have one of my favorite uniforms in the league.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 25, 2021, 08:37:11 AM
Clearly, Vancouver made the wrong bet on Demko vs Markstrom.

Flames logo has always been one of the better ones in the league.
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Post by: TAC on November 25, 2021, 08:38:39 AM

Flames logo has always been one of the better ones in the league.

But it's not just the logo. Think the whole color scheme is awesome.
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Post by: SchecterShredder on November 25, 2021, 09:23:45 AM
Calgary is probably the biggest surprise in the West for me (aside from Kadri's points, that is). Shocked the Flames only have 3 regulation losses. I thought they'd be battling for that 3rd spot in the Pacific, not for first with Vegas and the Oil.

As for Kadri, I would have figured he'd benefit from having MacKinnon in the lineup, not out of it. I know he's got some skill, but not point-a-game skill.
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Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 25, 2021, 09:39:57 AM
It’s nice of the Islanders to open up a third home arena for the Rangers. USB Arena will go nicely with MSG and Prudential.
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Post by: axeman90210 on November 25, 2021, 09:55:12 AM
It’s nice of the Islanders to open up a third home arena for the Rangers. USB Arena will go nicely with MSG andPrudential.

Adorable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CwrW3Sr-EI
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Post by: Anguyen92 on November 25, 2021, 11:07:57 AM
Another frustrating thing about that Kings/Leafs game yesterday, and this is outside of the on-ice stuff, was TNT kept showing Justin Bieber who was at the game any chance they could.  I will say this.  Biebs and the Leafs make a decent combo since a fair amount of people hate both of them anyway.  Who does the Kings have in that end?  Well, Snoop Dogg (which I don't think the Kings could actually claim, since I always thought he was a Ducks fan first), B-Real of Cypress Hill (who contributed to the winning ending song for games in The Crypt), and Wolfgang Van Halen.

Michael Buble remains the best of the famous musician hockey fan.  I'm sure he and The Hockey Guy (whose friends with Buble) probably have private conversations on how poorly the Canucks have been doing.
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Post by: dparrott on November 25, 2021, 11:10:11 AM
I love the Kings chrome helmet. 

the Devils new jersey reminds me of 80's grocery plain wrap.  Google it.  It was hilarious.
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Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 25, 2021, 04:50:29 PM
It’s nice of the Islanders to open up a third home arena for the Rangers. USB Arena will go nicely with MSG andPrudential.

Adorable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CwrW3Sr-EI

That was literally 10 seasons ago.
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Post by: axeman90210 on November 25, 2021, 09:32:46 PM
It’s nice of the Islanders to open up a third home arena for the Rangers. USB Arena will go nicely with MSG andPrudential.

Adorable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CwrW3Sr-EI

That was literally 10 seasons ago.

Indeed, I just didn't have time to do more research before while cooking. From what a quick search turns up, the Rangers have won 25 out of 46 games since Prudential opened, so a little over 50%, don't think it qualifies as another "home".
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Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 26, 2021, 09:49:01 AM
It’s nice of the Islanders to open up a third home arena for the Rangers. USB Arena will go nicely with MSG andPrudential.

Adorable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CwrW3Sr-EI

That was literally 10 seasons ago.

Indeed, I just didn't have time to do more research before while cooking. From what a quick search turns up, the Rangers have won 25 out of 46 games since Prudential opened, so a little over 50%, don't think it qualifies as another "home".

This was also in reference to Rangers fans often outnumbering Devils fans at Prudential. This also happens at Islanders home games against the Rangers, but not quite as much as with the Devils.

EDIT: A fun fact I learned yesterday. The Rangers were the last New York team to win a game at Nassau Coliseum, and were the first New York team to win a game in UBS Arena.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on November 26, 2021, 10:32:41 AM
Quote
EDIT: A fun fact I learned yesterday. The Rangers were the last New York team to win a game at Nassau Coliseum, and were the first New York team to win a game in UBS Arena.

Well, the Sabres don't really have a high shot in accomplishing either of those anyway.

Edit: Also, wait a min., Islanders won Game 6 against Bolts at Nassau?  That doesn't count?  Unless you are referring to regular season games.
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Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 26, 2021, 12:34:27 PM
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EDIT: A fun fact I learned yesterday. The Rangers were the last New York team to win a game at Nassau Coliseum, and were the first New York team to win a game in UBS Arena.

Well, the Sabres don't really have a high shot in accomplishing either of those anyway.

Edit: Also, wait a min., Islanders won Game 6 against Bolts at Nassau?  That doesn't count?  Unless you are referring to regular season games.

So what’s funny is, looking more into it, the Rangers lost their last game in Nassau Coliseum, so whoever came up with that fun fact was just being a troll.
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Post by: KevShmev on November 27, 2021, 06:45:58 AM
If the Blues could pull their heads out of their asses any time soon, that would be nice.  Losing to both the Red Wings and Hawks in the span of a few days is both gross and nauseating.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 27, 2021, 09:47:38 AM
If the Blues could pull their heads out of their asses any time soon, that would be nice.  Losing to both the Red Wings and Hawks in the span of a few days is both gross and nauseating.

Ouch.  Your two most hated franchises!  That'd be like losing to the Habs and Bs for me.
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Post by: crazy climber dude on November 27, 2021, 03:22:17 PM
I thought it was funny watch Paranin throw his glove at Marchand, after the Rangers handed the Bruins their ass! Then watching Marchand's indignance....which is quite akin to a pot calling the kettle black! 
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Post by: jammindude on November 27, 2021, 06:30:07 PM
Nice bounce back for the Kraken after the shutout last night in TB. I’ll take a split in Florida (and breaking the Panthers 11-0-1 run at home doesn’t hurt).

On to Buffalo!
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Post by: Anguyen92 on November 27, 2021, 08:09:01 PM
Well, the Kings finally got a win on this homestand against the Sens, but that's not the main story I want to highlight here.

Around the 6:00 min. mark of the 3rd, Brady Tkachuk and Brendan Lemieux got into a bit of a scrap and it resulted in Lemieux apparently biting Tkachuk on the hand.  He may get suspended over this.  I kinda wished he saved some of that enthusiasm when the Kings face the Flames on 12/02 and go after Matthew Tkachuk.  The Tkachuk that's more of an annoying bee against the Kings in recent years.  It's also Darryl Sutter's first game in The Crypt against the Kings since he was fired from them in 2017.  I'm sure he'll be extra motivated (well, internally, not sure if he will express it given his typical demeanor) to rally his team to play really hard.

https://twitter.com/DanyAllstar15/status/1464787584882671619
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 28, 2021, 05:20:01 AM
Nice bounce back for the Kraken after the shutout last night in TB. I’ll take a split in Florida (and breaking the Panthers 11-0-1 run at home doesn’t hurt).

On to Buffalo!

Not a bad week for the Kracken - beating the Caps, Canes, and ending Florida's home winning streak - all in regular time!

Now watch - they'll get shutout by Buffalo.   :lol

Weird hockey yesterday.... 2 goals by Pitt while 6-on-5, but 3 EN goals by Montreal.
Islanders finally get some re-scheduling relief - wonder why it took this long for the league to act?
Matt Murray placed on waivers
Jets finally cool off the Flames.  Hellebucyk has looked Hella-bad the last little while.

Lots of games for a Sunday today (6, not including the PPD Isles game).
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Post by: Anguyen92 on November 28, 2021, 01:29:32 PM
Oh boy, busy things are happening on a Sunday.

Evander Kane has been placed on waivers by the Sharks and they are willing to retain half of his cap hit if a trade happens.
Brendan Lemieux will have a on-call hearing about the biting, which would typically lead to suspension.  How many games remains to be seen.
Marc Bergevin is no longer GM of the Montreal Canadiens.
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Post by: dparrott on November 29, 2021, 04:30:44 PM
Nice bounce back for the Kraken after the shutout last night in TB. I’ll take a split in Florida (and breaking the Panthers 11-0-1 run at home doesn’t hurt).

On to Buffalo!

Yessir!  :metal
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: jammindude on November 29, 2021, 06:05:32 PM
Nice bounce back for the Kraken after the shutout last night in TB. I’ll take a split in Florida (and breaking the Panthers 11-0-1 run at home doesn’t hurt).

On to Buffalo!

Not a bad week for the Kracken - beating the Caps, Canes, and ending Florida's home winning streak - all in regular time!

Now watch - they'll get shutout by Buffalo.   :lol


You were saying?  :angel: :rollin
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: Anguyen92 on November 30, 2021, 07:33:33 PM
Well, it's official.  Brendan Lemieux gets suspended for 5 games for biting Brady Tkachuk, last Saturday.  Honestly.  It's pretty much what I expected.  People wanted 10 games and yeah, that seems fair.  The cynic people probably thought 1-3 games since the DOPS is horribly inconsistent.  5 games is a middle ground sort of decision.  I don't condone the biting at all.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: romdrums on December 01, 2021, 08:15:56 AM
Well, it's official.  Brendan Lemieux gets suspended for 5 games for biting Brady Tkachuk, last Saturday.  Honestly.  It's pretty much what I expected.  People wanted 10 games and yeah, that seems fair.  The cynic people probably thought 1-3 games since the DOPS is horribly inconsistent.  5 games is a middle ground sort of decision.  I don't condone the biting at all.

So the sons of Claude Lemieux and Keith Tkachuk are up to dumb shit?  I'm shocked.  Shocked!!  ;)

Nice to see the Wings hang on to beat the B's last night.  Getting outshot 2-1 is not a sustainable path to success, but it's nice to see the Wings turning a corner.  No quit in this team!
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: TAC on December 01, 2021, 08:17:05 AM
Nice to see the Wings hang on to beat the B's last night.

It was? :neverusethis:
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: romdrums on December 01, 2021, 08:23:35 AM
Nice to see the Wings hang on to beat the B's last night.

It was? :neverusethis:

Yeah, especially considering the previous matchup the Bruins chased the Wings out of the building by a score of 6-1. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: jammindude on December 01, 2021, 06:16:45 PM
For you scorekeepers out there… how short is a power-play have to be for it to still be considered a power-play? If you get a power-play, and then 10 seconds later it becomes a 4 on 4, is that 10 seconds still considered a power play opportunity on the scorecard?
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: TAC on December 01, 2021, 06:18:53 PM
For you scorekeepers out there… how short is a power-play have to be for it to still be considered a power-play? If you get a power-play, and then 10 seconds later it becomes a 4 on 4, is that 10 seconds still considered a power play opportunity on the scorecard?

Yes, I believe it is.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: LudwigVan on December 01, 2021, 07:51:27 PM
For you scorekeepers out there… how short is a power-play have to be for it to still be considered a power-play? If you get a power-play, and then 10 seconds later it becomes a 4 on 4, is that 10 seconds still considered a power play opportunity on the scorecard?

Yes, I believe it is.

Yep. Even if it were only 1 second it would still be a power play.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: jammindude on December 01, 2021, 08:34:44 PM
For you scorekeepers out there… how short is a power-play have to be for it to still be considered a power-play? If you get a power-play, and then 10 seconds later it becomes a 4 on 4, is that 10 seconds still considered a power play opportunity on the scorecard?

Yes, I believe it is.

Yep. Even if it were only 1 second it would still be a power play.

That does seem a little dumb although I don’t have a solution. You could hypothetically  log 4 power plays in a night and not even get 20 seconds of power play time. That would look really crappy on the stat sheet.  :lol
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: KevShmev on December 01, 2021, 08:40:24 PM

That does seem a little dumb although I don’t have a solution. You could hypothetically  log 4 power plays in a night and not even get 20 seconds of power play time. That would look really crappy on the stat sheet.  :lol

Don't forget at the end of a 1-goal game when one team gets a penalty when the goalie is pulled.  If the team winning gets a penalty, and can then shoot for the empty net without fear of a whistle for icing, scores in the empty netter when it is 4 on 6, they get credit for a short-handed goal.  That is a nice way to pad the stats. :lol

Realistically, instances like that probably do not happen often to where over the course of an 82-game season, they won't affect a team's PP or PK numbers much at all.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: jammindude on December 01, 2021, 10:06:15 PM
I want you all to know that even though I’ve been loosely following the NHL since 1982, I appreciate all of you holding my hand through my first full season as an NHL follower.

Let’s face it, there’s been a lot of rule changes since then anyway. :lol
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: jingle.boy on December 02, 2021, 05:01:17 AM
What a glorious ass-raping the Leafs handed the Avs last night.  Their 3rd string goalie got put in unexpectedly after Kuemper was injured in the morning skate, and the team left him hanging out to dry on at least 4 of the Leafs' goals, while he let in a couple of ones that he should've played better.  Matthews with the hattie, and all three goals were nasty - the first was particularly filthy.  Check out the highlights if you haven't seen it already.

@ JD... NHL fans are always glad to have "new" ones come into the fold.  Nice to see the Kraken looking decent (last nights loss notwithstanding) lately.  I mean, they have more regular time wins than Dallas and Tampa - the latter leading the league in "ties"
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: jammindude on December 02, 2021, 03:45:40 PM
I'm actually really impressed with their play since the 6 game losing streak.   2-1-1 on the recent road trip and 4-1-1 in their last 6.   And a few of those wins have been against really good teams.   But I think a real test is coming tomorrow when we get a rematch with the Oilers at home.   The wins against the Canes, Capitols and Panthers on the road prove that we are capable of pulling off a win, and we are certainly playing better now than we were when we went to Edmonton in October. 

What I was not expecting is the 3+GAA from Grubauer.  I haven't looked at all the stats line by line, but so far Driedger is playing better...but suddenly turned up on the injured list after his last win, so I'm not sure what's going on there.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 02, 2021, 05:31:55 PM
Blues season just got even more interesting. Binnington and Faulk out the next (10) days with COVID protocols. 6 games in the next 11 days out your #1 goalie and a defender who has been a beast the last two years. Already down Bozak from COVID and you know there will be more.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 02, 2021, 11:18:18 PM
I didn't watch the Kings/Flames game due to recovering from the booster shot.  Looking at the stats, once again, the Kings lose a one goal game.  17 of the 22 games has came done to being either tied or the score being within one goal in the last 5 min. and the Kings haven't been winning those battles.  Don't think this team is as bad on paper as it seems, but man, it's disheartening to continuously lose these kinds of one-goal games and it brings up all of the what-ifs at seasons-end.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: jingle.boy on December 03, 2021, 04:57:16 AM
Man alive can Forsberg (G, Ott) be streaky.  49 SOG by the 'Canes last night, and he looked like a 2-time Vezina winner.  He's done the same to Toronto in the past.

Buffalo buffalo'g last night.  Up 4-1 half way thru the 2nd, and lose 7-4.  :lol
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: KevShmev on December 03, 2021, 06:16:37 AM
Blues season just got even more interesting. Binnington and Faulk out the next (10) days with COVID protocols. 6 games in the next 11 days out your #1 goalie and a defender who has been a beast the last two years. Already down Bozak from COVID and you know there will be more.

Yep, should be interesting to see how they do in the next two weeks. 
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: pg1067 on December 03, 2021, 10:59:12 AM
I didn't watch the Kings/Flames game due to recovering from the booster shot.  Looking at the stats, once again, the Kings lose a one goal game.  17 of the 22 games has came done to being either tied or the score being within one goal in the last 5 min. and the Kings haven't been winning those battles.  Don't think this team is as bad on paper as it seems, but man, it's disheartening to continuously lose these kinds of one-goal games and it brings up all of the what-ifs at seasons-end.

This game had all the earmarks of the Sutter-era Kings.  Obviously, that's not surprising since Darryl Sutter coaches the Flames.  Once the Flames went up 3-1, it was over.

The Kings aren't a bad team, but there's so much youth on the roster.  They're not there yet, but they're getting there and might be there by the end of the season.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: SchecterShredder on December 03, 2021, 07:51:29 PM
Apparently the Krakken have yet to win against anyone in the division. This might jinx it,  but i don't think that stat will be any different after the Oil  roll through tonight.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: jammindude on December 03, 2021, 07:54:32 PM
Apparently the Krakken have yet to win against anyone in the division. This might jinx it,  but i don't think that stat will be any different after the Oil  roll through tonight.

My hopes are 50/50. I think I’d be happy if we just made them nervous.

BTW….Kraken Dark Rum + a good root beer = a Kraken Barrel. You’re welcome.  :yarr
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: TAC on December 03, 2021, 08:17:54 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/hToDcz3.jpg)
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: jammindude on December 03, 2021, 08:38:37 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/hToDcz3.jpg)

This is awesome!!!
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: jammindude on December 03, 2021, 10:45:22 PM
WHAT A NERVE WRECKING THIRD PERIOD!!!

I’ll take the win…but I need another drink! :xbones
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: jingle.boy on December 04, 2021, 04:41:27 AM
Apparently the Krakken have yet to win against anyone in the division. This might jinx it,  but i don't think that stat will be any different after the Oil  roll through tonight.

you fool... you should've known better than to post this!
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: SchecterShredder on December 04, 2021, 07:50:38 AM
Apparently the Krakken have yet to win against anyone in the division. This might jinx it,  but i don't think that stat will be any different after the Oil  roll through tonight.

you fool... you should've known better than to post this!

Was bound to happen at some point.  If i start believing in that kind of superstition, then i might as well start believing in all of them.  Next thing you know I'll be wearing the same underwear every game day,  sleeping in my jersey the night before games,  and foregoing shaving during playoffs
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: jingle.boy on December 04, 2021, 11:11:16 AM
Apparently the Krakken have yet to win against anyone in the division. This might jinx it,  but i don't think that stat will be any different after the Oil  roll through tonight.

you fool... you should've known better than to post this!

Was bound to happen at some point.  If i start believing in that kind of superstition, then i might as well start believing in all of them.  Next thing you know I'll be wearing the same underwear every game day,  sleeping in my jersey the night before games,  and foregoing shaving during playoffs

You mean you don't!?!?!  I thought this was common practice.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: kingshmegland on December 04, 2021, 04:51:10 PM
My nephew is playing in between periods of the B's/Lightning on the garden ice tonight.   Earlier today, he got his 1st ever penalty.   Lol

(https://i.postimg.cc/1XKt97mK/image000000-3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QKHsmbWB)
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: KevShmev on December 04, 2021, 05:43:43 PM
Someone wearing those colors and sitting in the penalty box just seems so right. :P
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: kingshmegland on December 04, 2021, 05:49:15 PM
 :lol

It's blue and gold.  Lol
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: KevShmev on December 04, 2021, 05:51:06 PM
Close enough!!  :biggrin:

Jokes aside, good for him though, seriously.  :tup :tup
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: kingshmegland on December 04, 2021, 05:57:48 PM
He is a hockey nut.  My brother's work is done. Lol
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: Snow Dog on December 04, 2021, 10:25:01 PM
My nephew is playing in between periods of the B's/Lightning on the garden ice tonight.   Earlier today, he got his 1st ever penalty.   Lol

(https://i.postimg.cc/1XKt97mK/image000000-3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QKHsmbWB)

Looks like he’s indeed feeling shame… ;)

That had to be an awesome experience for him though!
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: TAC on December 05, 2021, 01:39:06 PM
Bruins,without Marchand and MvAvoy, played their best game of the year last night and lost to the Lightning in OT. I didn't like how Swayman played Stamkos' GWG, but for the first time this season, the Bruins take a point out one of their losses.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 05, 2021, 06:23:48 PM
Here's something I don't think we've talked about much this season, but I know we are all keeping an eye on.  Alex Ovechkin has made it to 750 goals in his NHL career yesterday. 

16 goals away from Jagr.  51 goals away from Howe. 144 away from Gretzky.  Ovi started a 5 year deal this season.  I think he can do it.  I think he can beat Gretzky.  Didn't think that last season, due to him not playing a lot due to protocols, etc. and that lockouts and the Covid stoppage definitively put that quest in doubt.  Nowadays, I'm leaning more towards I think he can break all-time goal record.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: jammindude on December 05, 2021, 06:47:08 PM
Sorry wrong thread.  :blush
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: TAC on December 05, 2021, 06:53:05 PM
Sooooo

This Chiefs/Broncos Game is looking ugly early. And it’s my understanding that this is the one that they flexed in in order to remove the Seahawks 49ers game? The one that ended on a dramatic final play? And was infinitely entertaining to watch?

Wouldn't this be more appropriate for the ...um..NFL thread, or should we go there to get our Kraken update?
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: SchecterShredder on December 05, 2021, 07:03:44 PM
Sooooo

This Chiefs/Broncos Game is looking ugly early. And it’s my understanding that this is the one that they flexed in in order to remove the Seahawks 49ers game? The one that ended on a dramatic final play? And was infinitely entertaining to watch?

Wouldn't this be more appropriate for the ...um..NFL thread, or should we go there to get our Kraken update?

^^^^^this all day long^^^
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Vancouver in the hot seat. Coach is already fired. GM next?
Post by: jammindude on December 05, 2021, 08:16:27 PM
:facepalm:

Obviously posted in the wrong thread.  >:( :censored
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: KevShmev on December 05, 2021, 08:50:16 PM
Here's something I don't think we've talked about much this season, but I know we are all keeping an eye on.  Alex Ovechkin has made it to 750 goals in his NHL career yesterday. 

16 goals away from Jagr.  51 goals away from Howe. 144 away from Gretzky.  Ovi started a 5 year deal this season.  I think he can do it.  I think he can beat Gretzky.  Didn't think that last season, due to him not playing a lot due to protocols, etc. and that lockouts and the Covid stoppage definitively put that quest in doubt.  Nowadays, I'm leaning more towards I think he can break all-time goal record.

He has a real shot, but it will be a matter of  will be how productive he can stay and will he stay healthy.  I am sure he will play as long as possible to try and get the record.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: jingle.boy on December 06, 2021, 04:56:19 AM
Here's something I don't think we've talked about much this season, but I know we are all keeping an eye on.  Alex Ovechkin has made it to 750 goals in his NHL career yesterday. 

16 goals away from Jagr.  51 goals away from Howe. 144 away from Gretzky.  Ovi started a 5 year deal this season.  I think he can do it.  I think he can beat Gretzky.  Didn't think that last season, due to him not playing a lot due to protocols, etc. and that lockouts and the Covid stoppage definitively put that quest in doubt.  Nowadays, I'm leaning more towards I think he can break all-time goal record.

He has a real shot, but it will be a matter of  will be how productive he can stay and will he stay healthy.  I am sure he will play as long as possible to try and get the record.

This exactly.  And how good the rest of the team continues to play.  He still needs good players around him to give him the chances to get this kind of goal production.  Obviously, if he stays health, and if the team keeps talented players, and if Father Time doesn't take a toll on him, he can do it.  Those are 3 big "ifs" though.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Reg. Season start this week: Everyone already getting injured
Post by: jingle.boy on December 06, 2021, 05:34:38 AM
Awards:
Hart - McJesus (Matthews, Barkov)
Art Ross - McJesus (Panarin, Point)
Rocket - Matthews (Debrincat, Rantanen)
Norris - Makar (Hedman, Jones)
Vezina - Vasilevsky (Lehner, Varlamov or Sorokin ... whoever wins the #1 job)
Adams - Colliton (Gallant, Green)
Calder - Caufield (no clue)
Selke - no clue

Man, I really am the kiss of death.  At least Gallant is doing well!

Not looking too good on my team standing predictions either (particularly with the Isles, Flyers, Hawks and Canucks).  Vigneault has to be the coach next on the hot seat, no?  Despite the Isles record (and current 11 game winless streak), I can't see Trotz being in trouble.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: romdrums on December 06, 2021, 06:56:32 AM
Here's something I don't think we've talked about much this season, but I know we are all keeping an eye on.  Alex Ovechkin has made it to 750 goals in his NHL career yesterday. 

16 goals away from Jagr.  51 goals away from Howe. 144 away from Gretzky.  Ovi started a 5 year deal this season.  I think he can do it.  I think he can beat Gretzky.  Didn't think that last season, due to him not playing a lot due to protocols, etc. and that lockouts and the Covid stoppage definitively put that quest in doubt.  Nowadays, I'm leaning more towards I think he can break all-time goal record.

He has a real shot, but it will be a matter of  will be how productive he can stay and will he stay healthy.  I am sure he will play as long as possible to try and get the record.

This exactly.  And how good the rest of the team continues to play.  He still needs good players around him to give him the chances to get this kind of goal production.  Obviously, if he stays health, and if the team keeps talented players, and if Father Time doesn't take a toll on him, he can do it.  Those are 3 big "ifs" though.

Ovi only needed 79 games to go from 700 to 750, which is quite a bit faster than the other guys that scored that many goals.  Gordie Howe took 106 games, Gretzky 116, and Jagr 182.  Ovi's on pace for 70 goals this season.  He'll likely cool off, but still, he can net 50 this year, which is crazy.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Vancouver/Philly. Coaches ain't safe there, atm.
Post by: SchecterShredder on December 06, 2021, 08:48:21 AM
And right on cue, Green and Vingeault are out.

I think Vingeault gets another job quick enough. I'm betting  Travis Green is done in the league.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Vancouver/Philly. Coaches ain't safe there, atm.
Post by: SchecterShredder on December 06, 2021, 08:51:07 AM
And the thread title change was hilariously  well-timed  :rollin
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Vancouver/Philly. Coaches ain't safe there, atm.
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 06, 2021, 10:21:14 AM
Well, it started off with the Canucks' coach being fired with the implication that Benning is next.  Then Benning got fired, so I had to change the title to reflect that Canucks is going through an organizational shift and now Vingeault is out, and there's only so many characters I can use.

On another note, Bruce Boudreau (Caps, Ducks, Wild) is now the coach for the Canucks.  Maybe he can try to inject some heart into that team.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Vancouver/Philly. Coaches ain't safe there, atm.
Post by: jingle.boy on December 06, 2021, 10:46:06 AM
Boudreau is a great coach.  He got shafted with the past few years of the Wild.  Clearly, the front office has done a great job at rebuilding that team.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: pg1067 on December 06, 2021, 11:09:04 AM
Here's something I don't think we've talked about much this season, but I know we are all keeping an eye on.  Alex Ovechkin has made it to 750 goals in his NHL career yesterday. 

16 goals away from Jagr.  51 goals away from Howe. 144 away from Gretzky.  Ovi started a 5 year deal this season.  I think he can do it.  I think he can beat Gretzky.  Didn't think that last season, due to him not playing a lot due to protocols, etc. and that lockouts and the Covid stoppage definitively put that quest in doubt.  Nowadays, I'm leaning more towards I think he can break all-time goal record.

I'm not sure if I've posted it here or somewhere else, but as of the start of the current season, Ovechkin needed about a goal every other game for about three years to catch Gretzky.  In the prior five seasons (16/17 through 20/21), 205 goals in 358 games or .5726 goals per game.  With 20 goals in 25 games this season, he's obliterating that pace.  However, even at .6 goals per game, he's got a full three seasons before getting to 894.  I think he can do it, but he's been remarkably healthy throughout his career and will need to maintain that.  If he can stay healthy, I think he gets it.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: SchecterShredder on December 06, 2021, 11:21:06 AM
Here's something I don't think we've talked about much this season, but I know we are all keeping an eye on.  Alex Ovechkin has made it to 750 goals in his NHL career yesterday. 

16 goals away from Jagr.  51 goals away from Howe. 144 away from Gretzky.  Ovi started a 5 year deal this season.  I think he can do it.  I think he can beat Gretzky.  Didn't think that last season, due to him not playing a lot due to protocols, etc. and that lockouts and the Covid stoppage definitively put that quest in doubt.  Nowadays, I'm leaning more towards I think he can break all-time goal record.

I'm not sure if I've posted it here or somewhere else, but as of the start of the current season, Ovechkin needed about a goal every other game for about three years to catch Gretzky.  In the prior five seasons (16/17 through 20/21), 205 goals in 358 games or .5726 goals per game.  With 20 goals in 25 games this season, he's obliterating that pace.  However, even at .6 goals per game, he's got a full three seasons before getting to 894.  I think he can do it, but he's been remarkably healthy throughout his career and will need to maintain that.  If he can stay healthy, I think he gets it.

I think he'll pull a Jagr, and play some extra seasons into his 40's to get the record if need be, but I imagine he's very motivated to get it in this contract. He'll still score more goals in his 40's than most players in the league. All-world players like that still produce above an average 2nd or 3rd line player until they get bored and call it quits (see Teemu Selane). Would it surprise anyone if a 42 year old Ovi scored 25 goals? Not this guy.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Vancouver/Philly. Coaches ain't safe there, atm.
Post by: jingle.boy on December 06, 2021, 11:27:34 AM
Can't say I disagree with anything anyone has said on the Ovi >894 topic.  Health will be the biggest factor.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. New Jersey has a new Jersey with the word Jersey in front.
Post by: pg1067 on December 06, 2021, 11:30:16 AM
I think he'll pull a Jagr, and play some extra seasons into his 40's to get the record if need be

At the pace he's been scoring, he'll get it before he turns 40.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Vancouver/Philly. Coaches ain't safe there, atm.
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 06, 2021, 01:10:29 PM
Can't say I disagree with anything anyone has said on the Ovi >894 topic.  Health will be the biggest factor.

Yep. IF he stays healthy I don't see how he doesn't break it. And to think he's doing this against infinitely more talented goalies with much larger pads than the Great One faced.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Vancouver/Philly. Coaches ain't safe there, atm.
Post by: jingle.boy on December 06, 2021, 03:00:30 PM
Can't say I disagree with anything anyone has said on the Ovi >894 topic.  Health will be the biggest factor.

Yep. IF he stays healthy I don't see how he doesn't break it. And to think he's doing this against infinitely more talented goalies with much larger pads than the Great One faced.

Stick's have evolved too.  As well as coaching, techniques, and skills training. 

On the flipside (and I mentioned this last month) ... Ken Dryden had something like 198 wins in his first 300 games, while Vasilevsky had 195 - with 42 of them in OT/SO.  It's a fools game to try and compare eras.   ;)
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Post by: KevShmev on December 06, 2021, 07:02:25 PM
It is worth noting as well that Ovechkin has the most OT goals in NHL history, while Gretzky didn't have the luxury of overtime his first few years in the league and then even when OT was instituted, it took years for them to give a point to the loser, meaning teams were more likely to play defensive in OT back then so as not to lose and get nada, so Ovechkin has benefited by playing in an era where you have nothing to lose by going for it in OT.  Just a little more perspective. 
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Post by: TAC on December 06, 2021, 07:05:17 PM
Yeah, good point. Just imagine Gretzky, Kurri, and Coffey 3 on 3.
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Post by: KevShmev on December 06, 2021, 07:07:39 PM
Yeah, good point. Just imagine Gretzky, Kurri, and Coffey 3 on 3.

It's hilarious to even think about.
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 06, 2021, 07:14:49 PM
Omg, that’s a great point. Although, to be fair ... it’s only 24 goals

Yeah, good point. Just imagine Gretzky, Kurri, and Coffey 3 on 3.

It's hilarious to even think about.

And for shift #2, Messier, Anderson, and Lowe.
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Post by: TAC on December 06, 2021, 07:18:25 PM
Omg, that’s a great point. Although, to be fair ... it’s only 24 goals

Yeah, good point. Just imagine Gretzky, Kurri, and Coffey 3 on 3.

It's hilarious to even think about.

And for shift #2, Messier, Anderson, and Lowe.

Ridiculous.

I saw that team in 1988 and they were stacked!
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Post by: KevShmev on December 06, 2021, 07:19:38 PM
Early 80s Islanders would have been sick at 3 on 3 as well. Bossy was already a relentless scoring machine.
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 06, 2021, 07:20:16 PM
after 1992 .... Lemieux, Jagr and Coffey
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Post by: TAC on December 06, 2021, 07:27:01 PM
after 1992 .... Lemieux, Jagr and Coffey

Followed up by Francis (or Trottier) , Stevens (or Tocchet or Mullen) and Larry Murphy.
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 06, 2021, 07:41:59 PM
after 1992 .... Lemieux, Jagr and Coffey

Followed up by Francis (or Trottier) , Stevens (or Tocchet or Mullen) and Larry Murphy.

How ‘bout Oates, Neely Borque?

I need to Edit myself ... Coffey left Pitt before Jagr was drafted. Still, put him out with Yzerman and Federov instead    :omg:

It’s fun to fantasize about this trio’s.
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Post by: TAC on December 06, 2021, 07:44:03 PM

It’s fun to fantasize about this trio’s.

:zydarscouch:
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Post by: KevShmev on December 06, 2021, 07:44:21 PM
Fantasizing about threesomes....back in 10. :P :lol
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Post by: TAC on December 06, 2021, 07:45:46 PM
Fantasizing about threesomes....back in 10. :P :lol

Who needs 10? :lol
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Post by: jammindude on December 06, 2021, 08:21:13 PM
Well…this got really ugly really fast.

3-0 in less than 6 minutes. Grubauer got pulled. The 2nd in line is injured. That means we’ve got a kid in there who just got called up from the farm league IIRC.


EDIT - I just double checked and he’s not a kid. But he has played more minor-league hockey than NHL. He’s played a few games for the Ottawa Senators, but not much else. He’s only clocked one win
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Post by: TAC on December 06, 2021, 08:33:29 PM
Boudreau is a great coach. 
Well, he sucked donkey balls on the NHL network as a studio analyst. 
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Post by: jammindude on December 06, 2021, 09:57:34 PM
Hot take.

I think that if a goalie successfully makes the save…but then it bounces off his own defenseman’s skate and goes back in, he should still get credit for a save. But I suppose that would screw up the SOG vs GA stats.  :'(
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Post by: Anguyen92 on December 06, 2021, 10:37:46 PM
F***!!!!!!!!

That is all from this mad Kings fan this evening.
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Post by: pg1067 on December 08, 2021, 11:20:45 AM
F***!!!!!!!!

That is all from this mad Kings fan this evening.

The team is consistently inconsistent.  Great game against Edmonton (even without the 3 major PPGs) and then shit the bed against the #8 team in the division.  I feel like we're going to suffer with Pedersen as the faux heir-apparent to Quick.  Then we'll get frustrated and trade him and hope Quick can hang on for another year or two (I'd say that Pedersen will then play well in his new home, but where's Jonathan Bernier these days?).  Hopefully, there's someone a lot better than Pedersen in Ontario who can take over when Quick is done.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on December 08, 2021, 04:43:54 PM
If memory serves me right, Jonathan Bernier is in....., I want to say Detroit, but I remember Yzerman traded him to the Hurricanes before Free Agency.

Edit: Looked up the answer, he's with the Devils.

On that note, I understand it's insanely impossible to find another goalie that has the talent and the intangibles of peak Quick and I'm starting to think Petersen may not be it, but I would like to think even though he's not off to a great start this season, he's going to give the team a good 3 years until they can find someone they can commit to like they did with Quick.

We mentioned before how bad the goalies the Kings had before Quick.  Here's the goalies that came and gone in 2010s to my recollection.  Out of the bunch, I say only one of them was really bad.  That's a good track record.

Bernier, Ben Scrivens, Martin Jones (and he was really good before he became really bad), Jeff Zatkoff (really didn't like him), Peter Budaj (really hated Lombardi trading him when he was the key goalie that was giving us some hope in 2017 when Quick was injured and then the hope was extinguished), Darcy Kuemper, and Jack Campbell (well done, Leafs.  You got a good one.  I would say we backed the wrong horse, but I will reserve saying that until the Leafs resign Campbell).
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 08, 2021, 07:39:19 PM
Ouch, Rangers.
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Post by: TheCountOfNYC on December 09, 2021, 06:23:32 AM
Ouch, Rangers.

They were gonna have a bad game eventually. Starting their third goalie certainly didn’t help. Hopefully Shesterkin is healthy soon. The Rangers just play with more confidence when he’s in net.
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Post by: pg1067 on December 09, 2021, 09:49:55 AM
On that note, I understand it's insanely impossible to find another goalie that has the talent and the intangibles of peak Quick and I'm starting to think Petersen may not be it, but I would like to think even though he's not off to a great start this season, he's going to give the team a good 3 years until they can find someone they can commit to like they did with Quick.

The highlighted is the most important thing here, and it's absolutely true.  Not saying it's easy, but Pedersen is giving me flashbacks to the era of guys like Cristobal Huet, Roman Cechmanek, Mathieu Garon, Jason LaBarbera, Dan Cloutier and Yutaka Fukufuji.


Here's the goalies that came and gone in 2010s to my recollection.  Out of the bunch, I say only one of them was really bad.  That's a good track record.

Bernier, Ben Scrivens, Martin Jones (and he was really good before he became really bad), Jeff Zatkoff (really didn't like him), Peter Budaj (really hated Lombardi trading him when he was the key goalie that was giving us some hope in 2017 when Quick was injured and then the hope was extinguished), Darcy Kuemper, and Jack Campbell (well done, Leafs.  You got a good one.  I would say we backed the wrong horse, but I will reserve saying that until the Leafs resign Campbell).

I wouldn't even include Zatkoff.  He was a guy who got a LOT of run on letsgokings.com as a possible challenger for the job.  However, once Quick emerged as a dominant goalie, he became an afterthought.  He never actually played for the Kings before signing an FA deal with Pittsburgh, where he spent three seasons as a backup.  He came back to the Kings the season that Quick missed most of because of injuries but only played 13 games before being sent down and eventually traded.  Dude only played 48 NHL games in total.  Scrivens and Jones had solid tenures as backups and fill-ins, and I agree that the Kings seem to have made the wrong choice between Campbell and Pedersen.
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 09, 2021, 09:56:02 AM
the Kings seem to have made the wrong choice between Campbell and Pedersen.

Here's at least one GM decision that Dubas did the fleecing, instead of being the fleeced.
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Post by: KevShmev on December 09, 2021, 08:41:38 PM
Beating the Red Wings will never not be highly enjoyable. I hate that franchise and every single one of their fans.  :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Post by: Hyperplex on December 10, 2021, 06:13:53 AM
Love you too, Kev.
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Post by: KevShmev on December 10, 2021, 06:22:04 AM
Haha.  :tup :tup
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Post by: pg1067 on December 10, 2021, 10:24:14 AM
Any Stars fans here?

In the first verse of the National Anthem, "star(s)" appears twice, and Stars fans shout those words.  It is SO FUCKING OBNOXIOUS.  Fortunately, the good Kings team showed up last night and shut them the hell up with a dominant 4-0 win (2 ENGs, but the game was never close).  I really wish THIS Kings team would show up more regularly.


Beating the Red Wings will never not be highly enjoyable. I hate that franchise and every single one of their fans.  :biggrin: :biggrin:

Me from 20 years ago would have agreed.  A Wings fan hit me with with an octopus that he was too weak-armed to get on the ice at game 4 of the 2000 first round playoff series.  I didn't really like the Wings at that point, but that sent me over the edge.  The Wings not being particularly good over the past decade has softened my dislike quite a bit.
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Post by: SchecterShredder on December 10, 2021, 11:54:43 AM
Any Stars fans here?

In the first verse of the National Anthem, "star(s)" appears twice, and Stars fans shout those words.  It is SO FUCKING OBNOXIOUS.


Jets fans have been doing this with the canadian national anthem since their return to the league. The ownership group that brought them back is called True North Sports, so they shout True North for the "true north strong and free" line in our anthem. Also fucking obnoxious. So add another reason to hate the Stars fans, since they appear to just be copying the Jets fans.
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Post by: pg1067 on December 10, 2021, 12:43:26 PM
Any Stars fans here?

In the first verse of the National Anthem, "star(s)" appears twice, and Stars fans shout those words.  It is SO FUCKING OBNOXIOUS.


Jets fans have been doing this with the canadian national anthem since their return to the league. The ownership group that brought them back is called True North Sports, so they shout True North for the "true north strong and free" line in our anthem. Also fucking obnoxious. So add another reason to hate the Stars fans, since they appear to just be copying the Jets fans.

Except the Jets have only been back since 2011, and Stars fans have been doing it long before that (of course, I'm assuming the original Jets fans weren't doing it before the team moved to Phoenix).  That said, calling out the name of the ownership group seems a lot more obnoxious.
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Post by: romdrums on December 10, 2021, 01:01:18 PM
Beating the Red Wings will never not be highly enjoyable. I hate that franchise and every single one of their fans.  :biggrin: :biggrin:

(https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-18-2015/BHemdf.gif)

 ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 10, 2021, 01:14:33 PM
That's just cruel.
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Post by: romdrums on December 10, 2021, 01:38:24 PM
That's just cruel.

Only because I couldn't find a gif from the 2002 Western Conference Semis when Chris Pronger went in to try and injure Steve Yzerman and instead blew his own knee out to the point where he was unable to play all but 5 games of the 2003 season. :rollin
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Post by: SchecterShredder on December 10, 2021, 02:43:14 PM
Any Stars fans here?

In the first verse of the National Anthem, "star(s)" appears twice, and Stars fans shout those words.  It is SO FUCKING OBNOXIOUS.


Jets fans have been doing this with the canadian national anthem since their return to the league. The ownership group that brought them back is called True North Sports, so they shout True North for the "true north strong and free" line in our anthem. Also fucking obnoxious. So add another reason to hate the Stars fans, since they appear to just be copying the Jets fans.

Except the Jets have only been back since 2011, and Stars fans have been doing it long before that (of course, I'm assuming the original Jets fans weren't doing it before the team moved to Phoenix).  That said, calling out the name of the ownership group seems a lot more obnoxious.

At no point did I suggest the Jets fans were less obnoxious. In fact, I'd go so far as to say I wholeheartedly agree with you.
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Post by: TheCountOfNYC on December 10, 2021, 04:59:54 PM
Any Stars fans here?

In the first verse of the National Anthem, "star(s)" appears twice, and Stars fans shout those words.  It is SO FUCKING OBNOXIOUS.


Jets fans have been doing this with the canadian national anthem since their return to the league. The ownership group that brought them back is called True North Sports, so they shout True North for the "true north strong and free" line in our anthem. Also fucking obnoxious. So add another reason to hate the Stars fans, since they appear to just be copying the Jets fans.

Except the Jets have only been back since 2011, and Stars fans have been doing it long before that (of course, I'm assuming the original Jets fans weren't doing it before the team moved to Phoenix).  That said, calling out the name of the ownership group seems a lot more obnoxious.

There’s also “and the home of the BLUES”.

But the worst is the my fellow Rangers fans. At some point during the “rockets red glare” part, someone always shouts “LET’S GO RANGERS” and the crowd cheers over the anthem. Now I’m not a person who cares about the anthem, I have my opinions which I’ll keep to myself since this isn’t PR, but at least be creative instead of just shouting over the damn thing with something that has nothing to do with the song.
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Post by: jammindude on December 10, 2021, 05:39:21 PM
I used to go to minor league hockey games in Spokane WA in the early 90s. There was always a section (the rowdy section right next to the penalty boxes) where the entire section would add the “cymbal crashes” by making a loud “CHHHHH” sound.

“And the rockets red glaaaare” [CHHHHHH] “The bombs bursting in aiiiiirrrrr” [CHHHHH]

 Some people were very annoyed by that, but they weren’t going to pick a fight with the entire section.
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Post by: KevShmev on December 10, 2021, 07:46:25 PM
The Yzerman play doesn't bug me anymore. I have always recognized it as an awesome shot by an all-time great player, and now that the Blues have a Cup, the sting of that isn't nearly as severe.  That doesn't mean I hate the Red Wings any less, but those many playoff losses were all washed away in 2019.  :hat :hat
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Post by: gmillerdrake on December 10, 2021, 08:33:34 PM
The Yzerman play doesn't bug me anymore. I have always recognized it as an awesome shot by an all-time great player, and now that the Blues have a Cup, the sting of that isn't nearly as severe.  That doesn't mean I hate the Red Wings any less, but those many playoff losses were all washed away in 2019.  :hat :hat

Same. Remarkable shot…..and, if not for the amazing game that John Casey plays, especially in the first period……that never happens. Blues had multiple chances to win that game before that…..Glenn Anderson in particular blew three great chances himself…..but it just wasn’t meant to be. I love also how a weak stick and attempt by Gretzky led to that. Brutal turnover that he’s been given a pass for committing for years.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on December 10, 2021, 09:33:08 PM
I don't know.  Gary Thorne saying "Gretzky had it, lost it.  Yzerman picks it up," commentary to me was one of the more memorable things he has ever said which helps keeps the fact that Gretzky flubbed it in that brief moment memorable.
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Post by: romdrums on December 10, 2021, 11:51:55 PM
The Yzerman play doesn't bug me anymore. I have always recognized it as an awesome shot by an all-time great player, and now that the Blues have a Cup, the sting of that isn't nearly as severe.  That doesn't mean I hate the Red Wings any less, but those many playoff losses were all washed away in 2019.  :hat :hat

Man, I was rooting hard for the Blues in 2019.  It seemed like they finally got all of the pieces together for a Cup run, and I was especially rooting for them after discovering the Laila Anderson story.  I thought her connection to players like Colton Parayko was really awesome, and I wanted them to win it for her, you know? 
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Post by: TAC on December 11, 2021, 07:17:42 AM
As soon as I heard she was coming to Boston for Game 7, I knew the Bruins were going to lose.
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Post by: KevShmev on December 11, 2021, 07:55:10 AM
The Yzerman play doesn't bug me anymore. I have always recognized it as an awesome shot by an all-time great player, and now that the Blues have a Cup, the sting of that isn't nearly as severe.  That doesn't mean I hate the Red Wings any less, but those many playoff losses were all washed away in 2019.  :hat :hat

Man, I was rooting hard for the Blues in 2019.  It seemed like they finally got all of the pieces together for a Cup run, and I was especially rooting for them after discovering the Laila Anderson story.  I thought her connection to players like Colton Parayko was really awesome, and I wanted them to win it for her, you know?

I guess, but while that was a cool story, I wanted them to win it for themselves and (selfishly) for us long-suffering fans more than anything.  For those of us who had agonized over crushing playoff losses for decades, it was cathartic to finally have the sports gods on our side.
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Post by: TheCountOfNYC on December 11, 2021, 08:08:13 AM
The Yzerman play doesn't bug me anymore. I have always recognized it as an awesome shot by an all-time great player, and now that the Blues have a Cup, the sting of that isn't nearly as severe.  That doesn't mean I hate the Red Wings any less, but those many playoff losses were all washed away in 2019.  :hat :hat

Man, I was rooting hard for the Blues in 2019.  It seemed like they finally got all of the pieces together for a Cup run, and I was especially rooting for them after discovering the Laila Anderson story.  I thought her connection to players like Colton Parayko was really awesome, and I wanted them to win it for her, you know?

I guess, but while that was a cool story, I wanted them to win it for themselves and (selfishly) for us long-suffering fans more than anything.  For those of us who had agonized over crushing playoff losses for decades, it was cathartic to finally have the sports gods on our side.

Seeing teams like the Blues, Capitals, Saints, and Cubs win after years of coming up short serves as a constant reminder to never give up on my favorite teams.
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Post by: TAC on December 11, 2021, 08:28:52 PM
Bruins in Calgary tonight. Getting to see the Flames' gorgeous home unis.
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Post by: jammindude on December 11, 2021, 10:29:23 PM
I AM HAVING SO MUCH FUN!!!!

The Kraken were down 4-1 at the end of two, and I almost shut it off.

With 3 minutes to play, I’m now looking at a tie game.

KRAKHEAD4LIFE!!!!!
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Post by: jammindude on December 11, 2021, 11:36:41 PM
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand we lost.  :loser:
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 12, 2021, 05:52:27 AM
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand we lost.  :loser:
Heart breaking.  Eventually, you'll find ways to enjoy the one point earned to get it to OT

Leafs were on the other side of that coin last night ... up 4-1, and Chicago tied it up.  With 1:20 left, a very fortuitous bound off the stanchions on a dump in left a wide open cage for them to get the game-winner.

Sens shutting out the Bolts, and Tkachuck with his first career hattie!  If only the Bruins would've lost, it would've been a great night all around!   :biggrin:
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Post by: jammindude on December 12, 2021, 08:52:38 AM
The one point does mean something. And the teams got a lot of spirit. The only big disappointment has been Grubauer. This was literally the guy that we were trying to build our team around. We started our franchise by getting a few good defenseman and the best goalie that was on the market.

But I think they announced last night that we’ve given up the first goal in almost 80% of our games. Most of the time were even out shooting our opponents. But we are just giving up goals left and right. I think Grubauer might end up losing his #1 starter job.
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 12, 2021, 09:05:14 AM
With any luck, it’ll be like the Bobs situation in FLA - sign a big contract, suck ass in your first year of it, then return to form.
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Post by: SchecterShredder on December 12, 2021, 10:53:38 AM
This was literally the guy that we were trying to build our team around.

There's Seattle's first problem right there. I wouldn't call Grubauer the kind of piece you build a team around. Or any goalie, for that matter. Grubauer is certainly a serviceable tender, but he's basically a career backup. If he's your ace in the hole you're already done for.


Speaking of done for, the Oil are in the midst of a 5 game losing streak that's seen them drop to 4th in the division. Finally got Nurse back, but the defense is still questionable. And worse, the big guns aren't scoring right now either (Draisaitl's 2 goals Thursday notwithstanding).
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Post by: jammindude on December 12, 2021, 01:09:32 PM
This was literally the guy that we were trying to build our team around.

There's Seattle's first problem right there. I wouldn't call Grubauer the kind of piece you build a team around. Or any goalie, for that matter. Grubauer is certainly a serviceable tender, but he's basically a career backup. If he's your ace in the hole you're already done for.

Well, I’ve only been loosely following hockey until this year, but what we were told from the organization and the press was that Grubauer was absolutely an elite goaltender and that we will be building our team around defense. Before the season even started we were told not to expect a lot of scoring. We were expecting to win a lot of 2-1 type of games.

But so far (the last two games not withstanding) we’ve shown ourselves to be a fairly average offense of team with lots of scoring opportunities, but completely incapable of stopping the other team on the defensive end. So obviously, our original game plan is not what is transpiring on the ice.
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Post by: pg1067 on December 12, 2021, 07:59:46 PM
I'm about 20 hours late, but I have to give the Kings kudos for beating Minnesota last night in what had to be the most dominating 2-1 win I've ever seen.  Minnesota scored first, but the Kings tied it up fairly quickly and then went into a mode where they could have beaten pretty well anyone.  They were so strong on the puck, and I never felt like Minnesota had a chance the rest of the way.  And Jonathan Quick again looked like his 2012 self.  That probably means we get our asses kicked in the next game, but I hope to see a lot more of what I saw last night.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on December 12, 2021, 08:35:00 PM
The next four games ain't going to be pretty.  The Bolts, the Panthers, the Jerks, and the Caps in this road trip.  I think it would be a good trip if they somehow win two of those games if they played up to how they did in the last two games.

Edit: On another note, the Canucks are somehow 4-0 since switching to Bruce Boudreau as head coach???  I mean I know that Boudreau had a reputation of being a solid enough coach.  I just didn't think he was able to get early solid success right away.
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Post by: pg1067 on December 13, 2021, 10:47:46 AM
The next four games ain't going to be pretty.  The Bolts, the Panthers, the Jerks, and the Caps in this road trip.  I think it would be a good trip if they somehow win two of those games if they played up to how they did in the last two games.

The Hurricanes are "the Jerks"?  I literally had to check the schedule to see to whom you were referring.

But yeah...a rather brutal roadie, and 4 points wouldn't be a bad result.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Officiating has seen better days and jersey throwing galore.
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 13, 2021, 10:50:33 AM
Yep.  The Hurricanes are the Jerks as in the Bunch of Jerks.  It's just easier for me to type that rather than Hurricanes or Canes.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Officiating has seen better days and jersey throwing galore.
Post by: pg1067 on December 13, 2021, 01:43:22 PM
Yep.  The Hurricanes are the Jerks as in the Bunch of Jerks.  It's just easier for me to type that rather than Hurricanes or Canes.

Why don't you like them?  As a Kings fan, I don't really harbor any enmity for any Eastern Conference team.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Officiating has seen better days and jersey throwing galore.
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 13, 2021, 01:50:11 PM
Me calling them Jerks is just all for fun.  I actually don't mind them and was rooting them in 2019 when Justin Williams was their captain.  This is like the only thing that involved Don Cherry that I like when he called them a Bunch of Jerks and they ran away with that.

They even had a t-shirt that says Bunch of Jerks.  I also enjoy their Tweets from their account at times.

(https://tshirtclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Carolina-Hurricanes-Bunch-Of-Jerks-Guys-Tee.jpg)
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Officiating has seen better days and jersey throwing galore.
Post by: pg1067 on December 13, 2021, 04:16:41 PM
Aaaahhhh...gotcha.   :tup
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Officiating has seen better days and jersey throwing galore.
Post by: jingle.boy on December 13, 2021, 05:49:20 PM
Here's why they're a bunch of jerks - https://youtu.be/slyjyilk4uw?t=271.

Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Officiating has seen better days and jersey throwing galore.
Post by: romdrums on December 14, 2021, 07:04:23 AM
Here's why they're a bunch of jerks - https://youtu.be/slyjyilk4uw?t=271.

I'm glad Grapes has been put out to pasture.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Officiating has seen better days and jersey throwing galore.
Post by: SchecterShredder on December 14, 2021, 07:26:55 AM
Here's why they're a bunch of jerks - https://youtu.be/slyjyilk4uw?t=271.

I'm glad Grapes has been put out to pasture.
Couldn't agree more.

"Young men expressing themselves....(inaudible mumbling)...you don't do that...(more mumbling)...jerks!"

At least he's not calling them a bunch of pukes for having fun.

Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Officiating has seen better days and jersey throwing galore.
Post by: jingle.boy on December 14, 2021, 07:45:48 AM
Here's why they're a bunch of jerks - https://youtu.be/slyjyilk4uw?t=271.

I'm glad Grapes has been put out to pasture.

Same.  In his heyday, he was entertaining and insightful as anyone.  But the last 4-5 years, the decline was palpable - at least in his hockey perspectives.  I got right fucking fed up with his insistence that players should NEVER put their stick out to block a shot because every minor deflection causes a goal, and the goalie will always  stop 100% of shots outside of the hash-marks.  What a pantload.  For the (relatively) small number of shots a goalie would have had if not for a slight deflection, vs the hundreds that never got close to the net, it was (one of) the fucking dumbest argument he routinely made.

I'll admit, I was kinda bummed when he got axed, but I haven't missed him at all, nor have I sought out a single one of his podcasts.  He's just an old coot yelling at air.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Officiating has seen better days and jersey throwing galore.
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 14, 2021, 09:09:10 AM
Here's why they're a bunch of jerks - https://youtu.be/slyjyilk4uw?t=271.

I'm glad Grapes has been put out to pasture.
Couldn't agree more.

"Young men expressing themselves....(inaudible mumbling)...you don't do that...(more mumbling)...jerks!"

At least he's not calling them a bunch of pukes for having fun.

I concur.  Typing the Pukes rather than the Jerks just doesn't have the same zip.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Officiating has seen better days and jersey throwing galore.
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 14, 2021, 01:24:01 PM
Things are getting a bit ugly right now.  A lot of players have entered COVID protocol in the last few days.  On top of that, it's been documented that apparently if you test positive for COVID in China during the Olympics, you could be stuck there for around 3-5 weeks at worst without NHL pay? 

Bettman's stance has always been no NHL players at Olympics, but he relented in this case to make sure that this current CBA was done as that was the one thing the players wanted before agreeing with the terms of the CBA.  They want to be at the Olympics.  Bettman is probably hoping that these players would think about the risks and not risk it going as it could lead to something even uglier down the line.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: jingle.boy on December 14, 2021, 01:47:58 PM
This 3-5 week quarantine thing is going to kibosh NHL players in the Olympics.  I simply don't see it happening.  Bring back the World Cup of Hockey.  I don't give a rats ass what the timing or format is, I simply want to see a global best-on-best tourney.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: SchecterShredder on December 14, 2021, 01:51:04 PM
This 3-5 week quarantine thing is going to kibosh NHL players in the Olympics.  I simply don't see it happening.  Bring back the World Cup of Hockey.  I don't give a rats ass what the timing or format is, I simply want to see a global best-on-best tourney.
Bingo.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: KevShmev on December 14, 2021, 09:40:11 PM
Blues have really held it together well since losing Binnington and Faulk for two weeks, and just got Faulk back and won a big game in Dallas tonight. The season could have gone off the rails in the first half of December, but it has gone the opposite way.  If this team can stay healthy (by hockey standards) and not getting ravaged too much by COVID, they will be a force again come playoff time.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: SchecterShredder on December 14, 2021, 09:51:13 PM
I wish i could say the same for the Oilers, who've definitely fallen off the rails. 6 game losing streak, and I'm pretty sure they've given up the first goal in each one.  Or first 3, like tonight's game.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 14, 2021, 10:41:38 PM
Blues have really held it together well since losing Binnington and Faulk for two weeks, and just got Faulk back and won a big game in Dallas tonight. The season could have gone off the rails in the first half of December, but it has gone the opposite way.  If this team can stay healthy (by hockey standards) and not getting ravaged too much by COVID, they will be a force again come playoff time.

Binnington then our backup Husso….we e been using AHL goalies for a week now. Plus Schenn, Kyrou, Bozak, Perron are out or we’re all out at one point. Just ravaged by Covid and injuries yet have continued to win games. It’s a testament to Berube and our depth for sure.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: jammindude on December 14, 2021, 10:55:37 PM
Almost pulled off a shutout. But Drieger looked amazing tonight against the Sharks.

I wonder if this seals the deal for Drieger over Grubauer? Drieger has won 3 straight games and an over .900 in saves. Gru OTOH has really struggled.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 14, 2021, 10:57:38 PM
Thanks for beating the Sharks.  I just say that in general.  Didn't catch the Kings/Bolts game.  At least, they lost in OT rather than get smoked.  Had a lead twice and lost it both, but great teams find ways to win from behind, so here we are.

On another note, this Pacific Division has gotten a bit more interesting compared to the start of the season.  Ducks are on top.  Oilers are on the downhill at the moment.  Canucks are making it interesting with 5 wins in a row.  Golden Knights are still in it despite trading for Eichel and can't play him for a few months.  Flames is playing Darryl Sutter hockey very well for the most part.  Kings are ebbing and flowing and if they catch a hot streak, can't count them out yet.  Sharks aren't as garbage even though their stars are on the aging side of things.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: jingle.boy on December 15, 2021, 05:52:27 AM
I wish i could say the same for the Oilers, who've definitely fallen off the rails. 6 game losing streak, and I'm pretty sure they've given up the first goal in each one.  Or first 3, like tonight's game.

The TSN coverage said so, and in four of them, they fell down 2-0.  They look really bad right now.  Can't even blame it on the defense/goaltending - when the team is only putting 1 or 2 in the basket themselves.  Shut down McJesus/Draisaitl, and you shut down the Oilers. 

It was nice (for me) to see the Leafs get back on track with their D-game after having given up 22 goals in the last 5 games.  Leafs first to get to 20 wins, though they also lead the league in overall games played.

Dear god does Montreal look bad, and wth Ottawa.  Pounding both Florida teams by an aggregate of 12-2.   :omg:

I agree... the Pacific has been far more more interesting than I think anyone expected.

@ Kev/Gary... lookin forward to the Blues/Leafs game next week.  The 'next generation' games are always a blast.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 15, 2021, 10:25:06 AM
@ Kev/Gary... lookin forward to the Blues/Leafs game next week.  The 'next generation' games are always a blast.

That's all our games have been recently and it's been fun to watch. Those call ups are doing really well....happy for them for sure. There's a couple players making a case to stay put. But I know that consistency is the issue for the young kids and while they've been playing well this stretch of games it's the old question of can they sustain it? Being a 'pro' hockey player is as much how you handle the day to day preparation and mental approach as it is talent. There are countless talented players who are not playing on any professional level right now because they couldn't figure out how to truly become a pro.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: jingle.boy on December 15, 2021, 11:28:58 AM
 :lol :lol  Not exactly what I meant ...

Every year, the game before the Christmas is an afternoon affair, and there's a ton of promotion around attracting the "next generation" of fans.  It's all about kids.  Season ticket holders often donate their seats; the broadcast team uses this 13-ish year old girl to do the in-rink reporting; the arena has a kid do some of the announcements.  They get kids in ref outfits to take the pre-drop skate.  It's a whole 'thing' and event all day long.  Here's a one-minute highlight - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-nlPupZEgE

The last one was in 2019, and the Leafs won 8-6 against the 'Canes... it was an amazing and exciting game to watch.  Leafs were up 3-0 after the first 5 minutes; gave up the next 5 goals, then scored three in about a minute in the third to cap off the victory.  Here's the Game-in-5 package - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roEYMvo61SY.  it's worth it.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 15, 2021, 11:58:15 AM
:lol :lol  Not exactly what I meant ...

Every year, the game before the Christmas is an afternoon affair, and there's a ton of promotion around attracting the "next generation" of fans.  It's all about kids.  Season ticket holders often donate their seats; the broadcast team uses this 13-ish year old girl to do the in-rink reporting; the arena has a kid do some of the announcements.  They get kids in ref outfits to take the pre-drop skate.  It's a whole 'thing' and event all day long.  Here's a one-minute highlight - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-nlPupZEgE

The last one was in 2019, and the Leafs won 8-6 against the 'Canes... it was an amazing and exciting game to watch.  Leafs were up 3-0 after the first 5 minutes; gave up the next 5 goals, then scored three in about a minute in the third to cap off the victory.  Here's the Game-in-5 package - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roEYMvo61SY.  it's worth it.

Oh?  :lol    I thought perhaps the Leafs were as ravaged by covid and injuries as the Blues are. Yet...somehow....the Blues are two points out of first and only 5 off of the best point total in the NHL. It's been an odd few weeks watching them but these young 'no namers' are just doing their best 'next man up' impression and winning games.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: pg1067 on December 15, 2021, 01:32:55 PM
Thanks for beating the Sharks.  I just say that in general.  Didn't catch the Kings/Bolts game.  At least, they lost in OT rather than get smoked.  Had a lead twice and lost it both, but great teams find ways to win from behind, so here we are.

I got home from work after it was over but didn't know the score, so I turned on the replay.  Unfortunately, they "skipped ahead due to time constraints" and didn't show both Kings goals!  Regardless, the Kings played very well and definitely deserved the point.  The OT period was very exciting, but the Kings got burned on a second 3-on-1 in the span of about 90 seconds.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: pg1067 on December 15, 2021, 01:35:43 PM
:lol :lol  Not exactly what I meant ...

Every year, the game before the Christmas is an afternoon affair, and there's a ton of promotion around attracting the "next generation" of fans.  It's all about kids.  Season ticket holders often donate their seats; the broadcast team uses this 13-ish year old girl to do the in-rink reporting; the arena has a kid do some of the announcements.  They get kids in ref outfits to take the pre-drop skate.  It's a whole 'thing' and event all day long.  Here's a one-minute highlight - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-nlPupZEgE

That's super cool.

The Kings, on the other hand, had Snoop Dog night last week.  He introduced the starting lineups (and mispronounced at least one player's name).  He also was on mic for about half the first period.  Not only was he an idiot, but Alex Faust (PBP) and Jim Fox spent about half of that time verbally jerking Snoop off.  Utterly embarrassing stuff.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 15, 2021, 03:37:28 PM
Honestly, regarding Snoop Dogg (I personally don't mind him.  The team knew what they are getting to get when you involve him in any part of the broadcasting.  Lots of ramblings and probably some pot references, etc.), the Chrome helmets, Staples becoming Crypto.com Arena, and this team having ups and downs so far, it's not really all sunshine right now.  I just want this team to play up to what they can be more consistently.  I can ignore all of the external marketing factors if that happens.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: romdrums on December 15, 2021, 03:44:40 PM
:lol :lol  Not exactly what I meant ...

Every year, the game before the Christmas is an afternoon affair, and there's a ton of promotion around attracting the "next generation" of fans.  It's all about kids.  Season ticket holders often donate their seats; the broadcast team uses this 13-ish year old girl to do the in-rink reporting; the arena has a kid do some of the announcements.  They get kids in ref outfits to take the pre-drop skate.  It's a whole 'thing' and event all day long.  Here's a one-minute highlight - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-nlPupZEgE

That's super cool.

The Kings, on the other hand, had Snoop Dog night last week.  He introduced the starting lineups (and mispronounced at least one player's name).  He also was on mic for about half the first period.  Not only was he an idiot, but Alex Faust (PBP) and Jim Fox spent about half of that time verbally jerking Snoop off.  Utterly embarrassing stuff.

I don't suggest getting EA Sports NHL 20 then.  For some reason, they brought Snoop Dogg in for that, and it is the same kind of thing.  He comes in for commentary in the 2nd period in random games, and the play by play guy is more or less gargling Snoop's nuts.  It's ridiculous.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 15, 2021, 04:03:42 PM
This honestly speaks more of how bad the NHL is at marketing if they are resorting to Snoop Dogg to get some attention.  I'm not dissing Snoop's credibility as a hockey fan.  He's probably a fan of like 4-5 teams for various reasons, but the league has major marketing issues if they are thinking to bring him in to bring more eyeballs in in some ways.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: KevShmev on December 15, 2021, 07:39:01 PM
Blues have really held it together well since losing Binnington and Faulk for two weeks, and just got Faulk back and won a big game in Dallas tonight. The season could have gone off the rails in the first half of December, but it has gone the opposite way.  If this team can stay healthy (by hockey standards) and not getting ravaged too much by COVID, they will be a force again come playoff time.

Binnington then our backup Husso….we e been using AHL goalies for a week now. Plus Schenn, Kyrou, Bozak, Perron are out or we’re all out at one point. Just ravaged by Covid and injuries yet have continued to win games. It’s a testament to Berube and our depth for sure.

Absolutely.  This team is a really fun one to root for right now.  :hat :hat
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: jingle.boy on December 16, 2021, 04:12:57 AM
Word is Flames are gonna be on the shelf until after Christmas. 
Preds are dangerously close to having to suspend games as well.

It's gonna get bad.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: SchecterShredder on December 16, 2021, 06:26:55 AM
Latest report i saw was 27 Flames players and staff treated positive.  Makes the Vancouver outbreak last season look mild
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: pg1067 on December 16, 2021, 11:03:23 AM
:lol :lol  Not exactly what I meant ...

Every year, the game before the Christmas is an afternoon affair, and there's a ton of promotion around attracting the "next generation" of fans.  It's all about kids.  Season ticket holders often donate their seats; the broadcast team uses this 13-ish year old girl to do the in-rink reporting; the arena has a kid do some of the announcements.  They get kids in ref outfits to take the pre-drop skate.  It's a whole 'thing' and event all day long.  Here's a one-minute highlight - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-nlPupZEgE

That's super cool.

The Kings, on the other hand, had Snoop Dog night last week.  He introduced the starting lineups (and mispronounced at least one player's name).  He also was on mic for about half the first period.  Not only was he an idiot, but Alex Faust (PBP) and Jim Fox spent about half of that time verbally jerking Snoop off.  Utterly embarrassing stuff.

I don't suggest getting EA Sports NHL 20 then.  For some reason, they brought Snoop Dogg in for that, and it is the same kind of thing.  He comes in for commentary in the 2nd period in random games, and the play by play guy is more or less gargling Snoop's nuts.  It's ridiculous.

No worries there.  The most recent video game system I have is a PS3.  Even if the game is available for PS3, I've never played a hockey video game I've actually liked.  For me, it has always devolved into button spamming and getting into fights because that's more fun than the actual game.  But pretty much all of the marketing that the NHL and the Kings do (at least what I see in SoCal) is dumb AF (and I probably can't comment too much because a lot of it would belong on the political board).
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: jingle.boy on December 16, 2021, 12:17:08 PM
3 more cases in Calgary - 2 players; 1 staff.  That makes 18 players.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 16, 2021, 01:41:41 PM
3 more cases in Calgary - 2 players; 1 staff.  That makes 18 players.

Oof.

All these teams are 100% vaccinated also. So they've done what was asked.

I know the recent covid bug that hit the Blues most of the players have said their symptoms were non existent.....and their first games back looked like they hadn't missed a beat. Goes kind of in lock step from what is being found out/reported that the vaccinated are really the 'group' that are spreading covid like wild fire.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: jingle.boy on December 16, 2021, 02:51:24 PM
Yup.  Omicron is a bitch.  Been reading up a little on it now, considering what's going on here in Ontario.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 16, 2021, 04:01:00 PM
Well, Doughty is in the protocol list.  The Kings Defensemen is already pretty darn thin as it is when it comes to reliability.  Edler is out for a long while.  Doughty is on protocol.  Going to be interesting how today's game against the Panthers are.  They have a lot a fair amount of their main guys on the protocol list as well.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: TAC on December 16, 2021, 04:03:34 PM
No fans allowed in Montreal for the Habs/Flyers game? WTF??
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 16, 2021, 04:05:32 PM
Quebec is going hard when it comes to restrictions I think in the Canadian provinces.  In Ontario, they are just cutting capacity in half for Leafs, Raptors, and Sens games.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: SchecterShredder on December 16, 2021, 04:49:00 PM
No fans allowed in Montreal for the Habs/Flyers game? WTF??

Canada is about to get hit with a 5th wave of covid, so many jurisdictions are implementing new measures to try to slow down Omicron. Mind you, I live in the Texas of the north, known locally as 'Berta, so we're doing the opposite. But I digress...

I'm definitely starting to think the Olympics aren't going to happen vis a vis NHL players in attendance. I'm sure the IOC is hoping and praying for Jan 10th to come and go without a peep.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: jingle.boy on December 16, 2021, 04:54:02 PM
No fans allowed in Montreal for the Habs/Flyers game? WTF??

Canada is about to get hit with a 5th wave of covid, so many jurisdictions are implementing new measures to try to slow down Omicron. Mind you, I live in the Texas of the north, known locally as 'Berta, so we're doing the opposite. But I digress...

I'm definitely starting to think the Olympics aren't going to happen vis a vis NHL players in attendance. I'm sure the IOC is hoping and praying for Jan 10th to come and go without a peep.

I think there's a precisely zero percent chance of NHL players going.  I'm also beginning to think there's  a possibility the Olympics might not happen at all.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: Luoto on December 17, 2021, 04:41:35 AM
I'm also beginning to think there's a possibility the Olympics might not happen at all.

Considering it's China we're talking about I expect the Olympics to go ahead, perhaps without spectators as there are many disciplines that won't be affected by the lack of them too much.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: romdrums on December 17, 2021, 07:03:26 AM
I doubt the players go to the Olympics this year.  China mandates a 5 week quarantine if you test positive.

https://news.yahoo.com/detroit-red-wings-dylan-larkin-210748695.html (https://news.yahoo.com/detroit-red-wings-dylan-larkin-210748695.html)

I don't think NHL owners would be happy about a player testing positive over there and missing a month of the season.  I don't think the players would be happy about that either.

Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: jingle.boy on December 17, 2021, 09:14:39 AM
Considering they don't get paid for games missed due to that, yeah...

Also, Paul Maurice resigns this morning.  :omg:
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: jingle.boy on December 17, 2021, 12:07:32 PM
More and more, I feel like we just time-warped to March 2020 (not just because of the below, but Omicron in general).

Leafs cancelled today's practice - Tavares and Kerfoot are in COVID protocol
Montreal/Boston postponed - 7 Bs in COVID protocol
Friedman just reported that Calgary, Colorado, and Florida will likely announce their games will be suspended thru Christmas.

Welp
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: jingle.boy on December 18, 2021, 05:29:58 AM
Spezza and Simmonds in Cov-protocol last night.  I'd lay a C-note down that more come test positive this morning/afternoon, and the Leafs games will be the next team shut down.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: romdrums on December 18, 2021, 10:27:53 AM
Red Wings have 3 more players and 2 coaches going into covid protocol:

https://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2021/12/18/22843701/several-red-wings-players-coaches-enter-nhl-covid-19-protocol

They had their Monday game against the Avs canceled due to the Avs being hit hard by covid.  I wish the league would just shut down until after the first of the year to get a handle on this.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: jingle.boy on December 18, 2021, 12:36:18 PM
Next two games for BOTH the Leafs and Canucks are postponed.

One step closer to a league wide shutdown. Wouldn’t be surprised to see that happen early in the week, and it last until January.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: TAC on December 18, 2021, 12:47:51 PM
Bruins are shut down through Christmas.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 18, 2021, 12:50:04 PM
Yep, the odds of NHL players being at the Olympics are lower than zero at the rate this is going.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: TAC on December 18, 2021, 12:52:07 PM
Yep, the odds of NHL players being at the Olympics are lower than zero at the rate this is going.


They're going to need to reschedule games lost here during that break. No idea what their plan is.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Olympics in China possibly in Jeopardy?
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 18, 2021, 12:55:58 PM
Rescheduling games is tough because you have to plan it around other events that’s already scheduled at the various venues.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. Here we go again. Season on pause until 12/27.
Post by: jingle.boy on December 21, 2021, 11:40:26 AM
And it's official.  No NHL players in the Olympics.

https://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/opinion/2021/12/21/nhl-pulling-out-of-beijing-olympics-nobody-can-be-blamed-but-something-important-is-likely-lost-forever.html
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 21, 2021, 11:55:57 AM
At least, the main reason why they didn't go had nothing to do with the owners and the players having huge disagreements on whether or not the players should be sent.  We can't even blame Bettman for this and he's the easy punching bag for stuff like this.  That's what really makes me mad.  Can't even blame Bettman.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 28, 2021, 05:20:04 PM
Wooo.  Games are back.  I guess.  Three games today.  Kings are playing their first game back at the newly named Crypto.com Arena against the Golden Kngihts.  Alex Turcotte (their first round pick, 5th overall in 2019) finally makes his NHL debut.  Let us rock.
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Post by: jammindude on December 28, 2021, 05:29:15 PM
Last night’s Kraken game was postponed and now they are postponing another game against the Jets next week. This is ridiculous.

Are they still having the winter classic on NYD?
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 28, 2021, 05:33:03 PM
I mean as of right now, yes.  We'll see what happens in four days.  Hopefully, Blues and Wild don't end up having their guys on protocols which can cause a big downer to what's typically a nice yearly game, outdoors in a stadium.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: TAC on December 28, 2021, 05:44:49 PM
So, ESPN+ isn't actually a TV channel? WTF?? Hockey for the first time in a week, and neither of the two channels are fucking carrying the game? This blows. >:( :censored >:(
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Post by: Anguyen92 on December 28, 2021, 06:09:48 PM
Apparently, regarding the ESPN side of things, the games are on their streaming platforms rather than on the tv channels (not like the TNT games where they are on the tv channel on Wednesdays).  Is that right?

Edit:  Also, for those watching the World Juniors tourney, I'm reading that Canada is kicking Austria's asses pretty hard at the moment. 11-2.  Connor Bedard (a guy that could be picked #1 in the 2023 draft, it seems) has scored four goals in that game.

Edit x 2:  Well, the Kings got slaughtered.  That wasn't fun.  I don't want to talk about it.  On another note, the Sharks/Coyotes game ended with the score being 8-7 and ended in a shootout???
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 29, 2021, 05:30:38 AM
Edit:  Also, for those watching the World Juniors tourney, I'm reading that Canada is kicking Austria's asses pretty hard at the moment. 11-2.  Connor Bedard (a guy that could be picked #1 in the 2023 draft, it seems) has scored four goals in that game.

I didn't bother watching that game, as I knew it was gonna be a blow out.  But yeah, Bedard is only the 7th Canadian to ever play at the world juniors as a 16 year old ... joining the likes of Gretz, Lindros, Spezza, Crosby, McDavid.  He's likely the next coming of McDavid.  Also, the USA had to forfeit their game due to 2 positive tests.  Hopefully they turn out to be false positives.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 29, 2021, 01:23:00 PM
Well, per Bob McKenzie, the World Juniors is looking to be cancelled.  Players testing positive, forfeited games.  It's a clusterf*** it seems.  This ain't going to be a good week for the IIHF.

https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/1476285734717779972
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: jingle.boy on December 30, 2021, 05:44:01 AM
Well, per Bob McKenzie, the World Juniors is looking to be cancelled.  Players testing positive, forfeited games.  It's a clusterf*** it seems.  This ain't going to be a good week for the IIHF.

https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/1476285734717779972

Yeah, this royally sucks - mostly for these kids, but for the fans as well.  I always love this tournament.  I guess a 2-day pre-tourney quarantine for players wasn't sufficient.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: jammindude on December 30, 2021, 10:12:49 PM
Any of you guys that have been hockey fans for a long time ever been fans of a team that ended up just doing really poorly all season without ever (or maybe rarely) actually getting blown out? Like they just seem to be in almost every game, but the breakaways always seem to bounce off a post, or the perfect open pass seems to always bounce over a stick. Or like most games are just lost by a single goal that came so close to going the other way?
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 30, 2021, 10:14:24 PM
Kev…..do you want to take that one or should I?  :lol
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: jammindude on December 30, 2021, 10:27:15 PM
Kev…..do you want to take that one or should I?  :lol

Oh boy…I got a feeling I’m in for some stories.  :rollin

Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: romdrums on December 31, 2021, 06:57:08 AM
Kev…..do you want to take that one or should I?  :lol

Oh boy…I got a feeling I’m in for some stories.  :rollin

They're both Blues fans, so prepare yourself!  ;D
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: KevShmev on December 31, 2021, 07:10:06 AM
Kev…..do you want to take that one or should I?  :lol

The floor is yours, sir. ;) :lol
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: pg1067 on December 31, 2021, 02:08:56 PM
Any of you guys that have been hockey fans for a long time ever been fans of a team that ended up just doing really poorly all season without ever (or maybe rarely) actually getting blown out? Like they just seem to be in almost every game, but the breakaways always seem to bounce off a post, or the perfect open pass seems to always bounce over a stick. Or like most games are just lost by a single goal that came so close to going the other way?

I've not looked at any stats, but I image that, at least for the past 25 years, the average margin of victory in all NHL games is somewhere between 1-2 goals.  Blowouts are the exception, not the rule.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: axeman90210 on December 31, 2021, 02:42:51 PM
Wild one for the Devils this afternoon against Edmonton. We blew leads of 1-0, 2-1, 3-2, and 4-3, and then when the game was tied at 4 in the third got absolutely hosed on a (non) call to give Edmonton a 5-4 lead. The refs signaled for a delayed penalty called against NJ and despite multiple Devils touching the puck play wasn't whistled dead until Edmonton had scored a goal. We challenged and the refs spent about 5 minutes reviewing before coming back and saying that a missed stoppage isn't a reviewable call so the goal would stand. Tied it at 5 with 30 seconds left and then won it in OT.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: jingle.boy on December 31, 2021, 04:42:14 PM
That blown call was brutal. Look for a rule change in the off season to prevent that in the future.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: pg1067 on December 31, 2021, 05:34:10 PM
The refs signaled for a delayed penalty called against NJ and despite multiple Devils touching the puck play wasn't whistled dead until Edmonton had scored a goal.

I didn't see it, but merely touching the puck doesn't cause a stoppage.  The team being penalized must gain "control of the puck," and it's possible to touch the puck without gaining control.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: jingle.boy on December 31, 2021, 05:42:59 PM
The refs signaled for a delayed penalty called against NJ and despite multiple Devils touching the puck play wasn't whistled dead until Edmonton had scored a goal.

I didn't see it, but merely touching the puck doesn't cause a stoppage.  The team being penalized must gain "control of the puck," and it's possible to touch the puck without gaining control.

When you see the replay, you’ll see it was BS.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: axeman90210 on December 31, 2021, 07:56:57 PM
Especially because there was a specific example from earlier in the game where there was a delayed penalty on Edmonton and the play was whistled dead immediately when the one of their players touched the puck. All good though, still got the win. And Hughes sniping home the game-winner through McDavid's legs was a nice touch :hat
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on December 31, 2021, 08:18:35 PM
The Rangers beat the two time defending champions. God I love hockey.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: TAC on December 31, 2021, 08:19:45 PM
The refs signaled for a delayed penalty called against NJ and despite multiple Devils touching the puck play wasn't whistled dead until Edmonton had scored a goal.

I didn't see it, but merely touching the puck doesn't cause a stoppage.  The team being penalized must gain "control of the puck," and it's possible to touch the puck without gaining control.

When you see the replay, you’ll see it was BS.

I just watched it. WOW!

I mean, Hamilton clearly SHOT THE PUCK!
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: jingle.boy on January 01, 2022, 06:29:57 AM
And there is NO WAY the ref couldn’t have seen that - he was less than 5 feet away, with his arm already up. Not to mention the Hughes touch a few seconds later.

The Hockey Gods got the call right.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 01, 2022, 05:50:26 PM
It’s so weird watching the outdoor games because of how slow the ice surface is…..and how choppy…..it’s like slo mo.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: KevShmev on January 01, 2022, 07:27:04 PM
It’s so weird watching the outdoor games because of how slow the ice surface is…..and how choppy…..it’s like slo mo.

I'm getting frostbite just watching the game. :lol

For those unaware, the temp around the start of the Blues/Wild game tonight at the outdoor Winter Classic was -6 (and it was said to feel like -25).
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Post by: Anguyen92 on January 01, 2022, 07:44:04 PM
I read that the ice condition was so cold that they actually had to warm it up to improve the quality.  Something that would never happen if an outdoors game would be either in California or Vegas.

Earlier today, the Blues didn't think the weather was going to be an issue for them.  It was like their dress code today was wear shorts and unbuttoned shirts.  Sandals optional.

https://twitter.com/StLouisBlues/status/1477388813454487560
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: KevShmev on January 01, 2022, 07:48:43 PM
I saw that earlier.

Hockey players are a different breed.  :lol :lol
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: jammindude on January 01, 2022, 08:28:36 PM
The first couple of Kraken/Canuck games were just fairly standard hockey games.

But I’m starting to see a true rivalry form. There’s a lot more (and harder) hitting. Two majors for fighting in the first 5 minutes, a lot of pushing and shoving and taunting in the aftermath…

I think it’s starting to get personal.  :xbones
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on January 02, 2022, 09:35:29 AM
The first couple of Kraken/Canuck games were just fairly standard hockey games.

But I’m starting to see a true rivalry form. There’s a lot more (and harder) hitting. Two majors for fighting in the first 5 minutes, a lot of pushing and shoving and taunting in the aftermath…

I think it’s starting to get personal.  :xbones

That’s amazing to hear. Sports rivalries are always fun, and the prospect of a Vancouver-Seattle rivalry is one of the things that excited me most about the Kraken coming into the league.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: jingle.boy on January 02, 2022, 11:39:26 AM
Hey Rich... what's the talk on Edmonton up there?  Is Tippett on the hot seat.  They have not fared too well lately.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: SchecterShredder on January 02, 2022, 12:23:00 PM
Hey Rich... what's the talk on Edmonton up there?  Is Tippett on the hot seat.  They have not fared too well lately.

I think he's on the hot seat, and i know my friends would like him fired today.  Sportsnet had an article this weekend suggesting that consistency is more important now than a change, but Tippett's coaching decisions lately have been abysmal.  A few more games like the back to back this weekend and he's done for sure. The McDavid Draisaitl window won't be open forever. TSN talk radio is flooded with angry fans
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on January 02, 2022, 01:27:08 PM
I LOVE HOCKEY!!!
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: jingle.boy on January 03, 2022, 07:07:31 AM
I LOVE HOCKEY!!!

Of course you do - a shutout of the defending champs and best team in the league will do that for ya!
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on January 03, 2022, 08:27:42 AM
I LOVE HOCKEY!!!

Of course you do - a shutout of the defending champs and best team in the league will do that for ya!

I’m beyond happy with how the Rangers have been playing this season.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on January 03, 2022, 01:15:25 PM
Did anybody see this incredible story?

https://www.nhl.com/news/kraken-fan-warns-canucks-equipment-manager-of-cancerous-mole/c-329375240
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Post by: jammindude on January 03, 2022, 01:41:52 PM
Did anybody see this incredible story?

https://www.nhl.com/news/kraken-fan-warns-canucks-equipment-manager-of-cancerous-mole/c-329375240

I just heard about it when I was watching the game Saturday night. That’s truly amazing!
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Post by: gmillerdrake on January 03, 2022, 01:45:18 PM
Did anybody see this incredible story?

https://www.nhl.com/news/kraken-fan-warns-canucks-equipment-manager-of-cancerous-mole/c-329375240

Yep, read about that in the Athletic yesterday. Really cool.
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 03, 2022, 01:57:52 PM
Did anybody see this incredible story?

https://www.nhl.com/news/kraken-fan-warns-canucks-equipment-manager-of-cancerous-mole/c-329375240

Yep, read about that in the Athletic yesterday. Really cool.

Yeah, I caught it on nhl.com, and it also made the national news last night.   :tup
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Post by: TAC on January 03, 2022, 06:51:21 PM
I have decided that I'm going to buy the Center Ice package next year. There's never any games on. I'll be fine the rest of this year as the Bruins are basically playing every other night.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on January 03, 2022, 07:43:38 PM
Thanks Rangers for beating the Oilers today in regulation.  All of these other teams in the Pacific in this screenshot appreciate it.

(https://i.imgur.com/G6ighol.png)
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Post by: TheCountOfNYC on January 04, 2022, 02:52:20 PM
Thanks Rangers for beating the Oilers today in regulation.  All of these other teams in the Pacific in this screenshot appreciate it.

(https://i.imgur.com/G6ighol.png)

Ugh. We helped the Kings? Gross lol.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on January 04, 2022, 03:05:13 PM
I mean you also helped the Sharks and Canucks and I'm not excited about that.
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: jingle.boy on January 04, 2022, 03:10:59 PM
McDavid has COVID.  Guess a bunch of the Devils, Isles and Rangers are bound to get it now
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: TAC on January 04, 2022, 03:17:32 PM
McDavid has COVID.  Guess a bunch of the Devils, Isles and Rangers are bound to get it now

McCovid. ;D


Devils in Boston tonight!
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Post by: romdrums on January 04, 2022, 03:51:51 PM

Devils in Boston tonight!

Doesn't he wear #63 for the Bruins?  ;)
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Post by: pg1067 on January 04, 2022, 05:48:25 PM
Devils in Boston tonight!

Is he lookin' for a soul to steal?
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Post by: TAC on January 04, 2022, 06:16:08 PM
Devils in Boston tonight!

Is he lookin' for a soul to steal?

The B's were in a bind, they were way behind..
Title: Re: NHL (2021-2022) v. No NHL players in Olympics 2022. Can't even blame Bettman.
Post by: TAC on January 04, 2022, 07:38:20 PM
Damn, PK Subban is a shell of himself. WTF happened to him? He fell off a cliff after Montreal traded him.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on January 04, 2022, 07:46:40 PM
I don't know.  He was still all right when he was in Nashville in the first few years after that trade.  In the last few years with the Devils... Not so much.  Chalk it up to injuries perhaps and not able to return to solid form?
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Post by: gmillerdrake on January 04, 2022, 08:00:45 PM
Damn, PK Subban is a shell of himself. WTF happened to him? He fell off a cliff after Montreal traded him.

Ehh…..even when he was at his best he was overrated. He’s a POS anyway…..egotistical…..horrible for a locker room and has received entirely too many accolades for being an average to slightly above average defenseman.

It’s befitting he’s a shell of his former self.
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Post by: TAC on January 04, 2022, 08:05:13 PM
Damn, PK Subban is a shell of himself. WTF happened to him? He fell off a cliff after Montreal traded him.

Ehh…..even when he was at his best he was overrated. He’s a POS anyway…..egotistical…..horrible for a locker room and has received entirely too many accolades for being an average to slightly above average defenseman.

It’s befitting he’s a shell of his former self.

Gary, I know he wasn't in your division, but we saw him 8 times a year and he was a beast when he was younger. I totally understand not liking him, but he was a great player in Montreal. His prime would prove to be quite fleeting as it turns out, but he deserved whatever accolades he received when he was in Montreal.
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 05, 2022, 04:57:03 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/f7FdEdG.jpg)
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Post by: SchecterShredder on January 05, 2022, 06:23:59 AM
Yeah, I gotta agree with Tim and Chad. Norris trophy PK was elite in the league. Something happened to him along the way. Maybe the breakup with Lindsey Vonn destroyed his confidence or something, but, then again, he was already on the decline by then (if I have my timing correct).
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Post by: gmillerdrake on January 05, 2022, 07:08:52 AM
I'll defer to you guys who got to see him multiple times a year in his 'prime' and take your word for it. Maybe there was a short time there where he was 'elite'. The Subban I saw after he was traded to the Predators never hinted at being anything other than a slightly above average defender.......an egotistical, selfish, POS player......and horrible locker room guy. Who also got away with (and still does) egregious penalties because that was just PK being PK.

What your teammates say about you, the way you carry yourself and type of person you are go a long way.....and for me especially, I don't think you have the right to be included in the conversation as elite or the best if your a POS person.
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Post by: SchecterShredder on January 05, 2022, 07:39:39 AM
I'll defer to you guys who got to see him multiple times a year in his 'prime' and take your word for it. Maybe there was a short time there where he was 'elite'. The Subban I saw after he was traded to the Predators never hinted at being anything other than a slightly above average defender.......an egotistical, selfish, POS player......and horrible locker room guy. Who also got away with (and still does) egregious penalties because that was just PK being PK.

What your teammates say about you, the way you carry yourself and type of person you are go a long way.....and for me especially, I don't think you have the right to be included in the conversation as elite or the best if your a POS person.

Hard to call him a POS person. His philanthropy speaks for itself, and goes much further than many professional athletes. I won't argue he's not selfish or egotistical (most NHL players are the latter to some degree), but I wouldn't call him a POS person. Brett Hull called St. Louis fans a bunch of losers. Does that make him a POS person, too? Probably not.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on January 05, 2022, 08:00:10 AM
I'll defer to you guys who got to see him multiple times a year in his 'prime' and take your word for it. Maybe there was a short time there where he was 'elite'. The Subban I saw after he was traded to the Predators never hinted at being anything other than a slightly above average defender.......an egotistical, selfish, POS player......and horrible locker room guy. Who also got away with (and still does) egregious penalties because that was just PK being PK.

What your teammates say about you, the way you carry yourself and type of person you are go a long way.....and for me especially, I don't think you have the right to be included in the conversation as elite or the best if your a POS person.

Hard to call him a POS person. His philanthropy speaks for itself, and goes much further than many professional athletes. I won't argue he's not selfish or egotistical (most NHL players are the latter to some degree), but I wouldn't call him a POS person. Brett Hull called St. Louis fans a bunch of losers. Does that make him a POS person, too? Probably not.

I guess to me there's philanthropy that's bore from a genuine spot in your heart and soul and then there's philanthropy that bore from a need to feel good about yourself and feed your ego....and try and buy your way out of being a horrible person and have the ability to point to it in times when your true colors are exposed and say "look...see...Look what I did for......"

I have my opinion as to which sect PK's philanthropy falls into. Could be entirely off base. Hope that's the case.

As far as Brett Hull goes Brett Hull has said a LOT of things that are brutal. He also said he wouldn't piss on Mike Keenan if he were on fire. But to a man every single player or coach you talk to said they'd take him as a teammate any day of the week. He has an ego the size of every city he's played in as well but the difference is he never let that get in the way of him being a great teammate and a player who played the game 'right'. You won't get that consensus with PK. There are no equal comparisons to be made between those two players anyway.
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Post by: TAC on January 05, 2022, 08:10:21 AM
I'll defer to you guys who got to see him multiple times a year in his 'prime' and take your word for it. Maybe there was a short time there where he was 'elite'. The Subban I saw after he was traded to the Predators never hinted at being anything other than a slightly above average defender.......an egotistical, selfish, POS player......and horrible locker room guy. Who also got away with (and still does) egregious penalties because that was just PK being PK.

What your teammates say about you, the way you carry yourself and type of person you are go a long way.....and for me especially, I don't think you have the right to be included in the conversation as elite or the best if your a POS person.

Hard to call him a POS person. His philanthropy speaks for itself, and goes much further than many professional athletes. I won't argue he's not selfish or egotistical (most NHL players are the latter to some degree), but I wouldn't call him a POS person. Brett Hull called St. Louis fans a bunch of losers. Does that make him a POS person, too? Probably not.

Oh Brett Hull is definitely a POS.
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Post by: SchecterShredder on January 05, 2022, 10:29:38 AM
I'll defer to you guys who got to see him multiple times a year in his 'prime' and take your word for it. Maybe there was a short time there where he was 'elite'. The Subban I saw after he was traded to the Predators never hinted at being anything other than a slightly above average defender.......an egotistical, selfish, POS player......and horrible locker room guy. Who also got away with (and still does) egregious penalties because that was just PK being PK.

What your teammates say about you, the way you carry yourself and type of person you are go a long way.....and for me especially, I don't think you have the right to be included in the conversation as elite or the best if your a POS person.

Hard to call him a POS person. His philanthropy speaks for itself, and goes much further than many professional athletes. I won't argue he's not selfish or egotistical (most NHL players are the latter to some degree), but I wouldn't call him a POS person. Brett Hull called St. Louis fans a bunch of losers. Does that make him a POS person, too? Probably not.

I guess to me there's philanthropy that's bore from a genuine spot in your heart and soul and then there's philanthropy that bore from a need to feel good about yourself and feed your ego....and try and buy your way out of being a horrible person and have the ability to point to it in times when your true colors are exposed and say "look...see...Look what I did for......"

I have my opinion as to which sect PK's philanthropy falls into. Could be entirely off base. Hope that's the case.

As far as Brett Hull goes Brett Hull has said a LOT of things that are brutal. He also said he wouldn't piss on Mike Keenan if he were on fire. But to a man every single player or coach you talk to said they'd take him as a teammate any day of the week. He has an ego the size of every city he's played in as well but the difference is he never let that get in the way of him being a great teammate and a player who played the game 'right'. You won't get that consensus with PK. There are no equal comparisons to be made between those two players anyway.

On that, we can certainly agree.



As for the philanthropy, it's entirely possible he does it for those reasons you listed. Doesn't change the fact that there's many, many others who don't donate millions of dollars AND are genuine pieces of shit. I'll take a charitable shit over a regular one any day.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on January 05, 2022, 07:04:10 PM
Ha. Crosby’s a freaking baby.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on January 05, 2022, 07:05:35 PM
Was wondering when the league I mean refs would show up for the home team
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Post by: gmillerdrake on January 05, 2022, 07:44:56 PM
So is this what it’s like playing the Penguins? Home cooked calls to make sure they don’t get embarrassed?
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Post by: KevShmev on January 05, 2022, 08:07:58 PM
So is this what it’s like playing the Penguins? Home cooked calls to make sure they don’t get embarrassed?

Yep.

The defensemen pushes a Blue into their own goalie and we get a penalty for goalie interference.

And then Crosby gets away with interfering with Binnington on the tying goal, we lose the challenge, and then Pittsburgh scores on the PP.

NHL officiating at its best tonight.  :lol :lol
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Post by: TAC on January 05, 2022, 08:14:49 PM


And then Crosby gets away with interfering with Binnington on the tying goal, we lose the challenge, and then Pittsburgh scores on the PP.

That was a legit goal, sorry.
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Post by: KevShmev on January 05, 2022, 08:17:20 PM


And then Crosby gets away with interfering with Binnington on the tying goal, we lose the challenge, and then Pittsburgh scores on the PP.

That was a legit goal, sorry.

The Blues defender should have been smart and just cross checked Crosby into Binnington. Based on the standard the refs had set earlier in the period, that would have been goalie interference for allowing yourself to be physically pushed into the goalie by a defender. 
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Post by: TAC on January 05, 2022, 08:19:32 PM
I didn't see the earlier play. I just tuned in right before that goal. In a vacuum, the Crosby goal is a goal. But the refs can sure be inconsistent.
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Post by: TheCountOfNYC on January 05, 2022, 08:21:00 PM
Ha. Crosby’s a freaking baby.

Was wondering when the league I mean refs would show up for the home team

So is this what it’s like playing the Penguins? Home cooked calls to make sure they don’t get embarrassed?

Just a taste of what it’s like to be a fan of one of the other seven teams in the Metro division. There’s a reason why I hated the Penguins more than the Devils, Flyers, and Islanders for a long time, and I still hate them more than any other team that isn’t the Islanders.
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Post by: KevShmev on January 05, 2022, 08:21:17 PM
That's the problem.  Goalie interference, like PI in football, is never called the same way, and it's basically like throwing a dart as to how it will be called.  It blows because Binnington played lights out for most of the game and it was all for naught, but it's just one game in the middle of the season.
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Post by: romdrums on January 06, 2022, 12:19:10 PM
So is this what it’s like playing the Penguins? Home cooked calls to make sure they don’t get embarrassed?

See the 2008/2009 Stanley Cup Finals.  The league worked hard to get Crosby his first Cup!
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Post by: KevShmev on January 06, 2022, 06:57:57 PM
So is this what it’s like playing the Penguins? Home cooked calls to make sure they don’t get embarrassed?

See the 2008/2009 Stanley Cup Finals.  The league worked hard to get Crosby his first Cup!

That was against the Red Wings though, so it worked for me.  :tup :tup

But, ribs aside, bad officiating is just that: bad officiating.  While I do think certain teams and stars are more likely to get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to calls (in all team sports), there is no conspiracy.   It usually really is as simple as bad officiating.
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Post by: romdrums on January 07, 2022, 08:55:36 AM
So is this what it’s like playing the Penguins? Home cooked calls to make sure they don’t get embarrassed?

See the 2008/2009 Stanley Cup Finals.  The league worked hard to get Crosby his first Cup!

That was against the Red Wings though, so it worked for me.  :tup :tup

But, ribs aside, bad officiating is just that: bad officiating.  While I do think certain teams and stars are more likely to get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to calls (in all team sports), there is no conspiracy.   It usually really is as simple as bad officiating.

Haha! I thought it would.  :tup:

Everything around that Cup final was a shit show.  The league moved it up a week because NBC asked them to, and because both Conference Final series were anti-climactic.  At the end of Game 2, as the Wings were about to take a 2-0 series lead, Evgeni Malkin decided to instigate a bunch of shit with Henrik Zetterberg, and should have, according to the rules, been given an automatic one game suspension.  The league voided that suspension.  At one point in either Game 3 or 4, the Penguins had 7 skaters on the ice, with no penalty.  In fact, one of the referees just gave them a warning.  The media, led by noted Penguins and Blackhawks fanboy Eddie Olczyk, were totally in the bag for the Penguins, and really pushed the narrative of a burgeoning Penguins dynasty, and made it seem like the Wings were being rude for standing in the way of Crosby and the Penguins coronation as The Next One.  Olczyk in particular was harping about the Wings "subtle interference" and "1-minute minors" that made it seem like the Wings clutched and grabbed their way to back to back Cup finals appearances.  I'm generally not a conspiracy believer, but it sure seemed the league really, really, really wanted to get Crosby a Cup to fit the narrative that he was the next anointed one, when he was, honestly, the 4th best center in that Cup Final (Malkin was playing out of his mind in that playoff).
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 07, 2022, 09:43:10 AM
So how is it that the league hasn't even been able to get McDavid out of the 2nd round then??  Or MacKinnon to a Conference Final :biggrin:
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Post by: gmillerdrake on January 07, 2022, 10:04:13 AM
So how is it that the league hasn't even been able to get McDavid out of the 2nd round then??  Or MacKinnon to a Conference Final :biggrin:

Their fellatio skills are lacking....just not on the same level as Sid the Kid.
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Post by: TAC on January 07, 2022, 10:07:26 AM
So how is it that the league hasn't even been able to get McDavid out of the 2nd round then??  Or MacKinnon to a Conference Final :biggrin:

Their fellatio skills are lacking....just not on the same level as Sid the Kid.


No superstar in the league has taken such physical abuse from his opponents that Crosby. I don't know what you have against him.
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 07, 2022, 10:15:49 AM
So how is it that the league hasn't even been able to get McDavid out of the 2nd round then??  Or MacKinnon to a Conference Final :biggrin:

Their fellatio skills are lacking....just not on the same level as Sid the Kid.


No superstar in the league has taken such physical abuse from his opponents that Crosby. I don't know what you have against him.

Are you new around here?  Gary has something against every successful person/team  that doesn't have a Blues logo on their chest.   :lol :lol

P.S.  Luv ya Gare.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on January 07, 2022, 10:27:59 AM
So how is it that the league hasn't even been able to get McDavid out of the 2nd round then??  Or MacKinnon to a Conference Final :biggrin:

Their fellatio skills are lacking....just not on the same level as Sid the Kid.


No superstar in the league has taken such physical abuse from his opponents that Crosby. I don't know what you have against him.

Are you new around here?  Gary has something against every successful person/team  that doesn't have a Blues logo on their chest.   :lol :lol

P.S.  Luv ya Gare.


(https://i.imgur.com/f7FdEdG.jpg)


BUT.....despite my distain for every player that isn't a Blue  ;) .....the altercation Crosby had with Mikkola the other night is a perfect example of him being a baby just because he was played well defensively AND the fact that he continually gets away with stuff like that. The announcers said that was only Sids third penalty this year but you know damn well he does crap like this every game. How many two handers do you see here and slashes? Mikkol does nothing here but defend himself...and well I might add.

Crosby may get the crap beat out of him but lets not forget or forgive the fact the dude gets away with murder also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBpx9vuMmeQ
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Post by: pg1067 on January 07, 2022, 10:40:13 AM
Seems like that was a big win for the Blues.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on January 07, 2022, 10:44:12 AM
Seems like that was a big win for the Blues.

Not really. At that point in the game the Blues were controlling the game and were up 2-0. After that the Penguins got all in a tizzy because 87 was touched and it woke them up a bit....Blues were outscored 5-1 after that moment.

No need to go into the questionable officiating after that because it happens to all our teams all the time. Very inconsistent officiating a lot of the time this season. But the Penguins did receive 7 power plays to the Blues one which was way too lopsided considering what was happening on the ice.
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Post by: TAC on January 07, 2022, 02:31:56 PM


Crosby may get the crap beat out of him but lets not forget or forgive the fact the dude gets away with murder also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBpx9vuMmeQ

Why would you use that video? The Blues player crosschecked him first.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on January 07, 2022, 02:41:18 PM


Crosby may get the crap beat out of him but lets not forget or forgive the fact the dude gets away with murder also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBpx9vuMmeQ

Why would you use that video? The Blues player crosschecked him first.

I think your idea of a cross check and mine differ greatly. What Mikkola did to him as he crossed the front of the net is done on every single play by D men when protecting the house. And, the was zero force behind it. It was a bracing push with nothing to it. The retaliation from Sid the infant was the instigating factor there.
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Post by: TAC on January 07, 2022, 02:44:30 PM
A bracing push? :rollin

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Post by: jingle.boy on January 07, 2022, 02:48:15 PM
And lord knows what abuse Sid took leading up to that - not just in that game, but years and years of it.  He's certainly been a more chippy player in his later years.
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Post by: kingshmegland on January 07, 2022, 02:50:35 PM
I've thought Crosby has been a cheap shot artist for decades so seeing blood on his face pleases me.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on January 07, 2022, 04:03:50 PM
Crosby has been getting pretty frustrated at times when it comes to stuff like this.  I think I saw a tweet of a gif where he threw a Capitals player to the boards after he dumped the puck.  Didn't get called for that.

McDavid is starting to get to that point as well.  In a Kings/Oilers game, he boarded Adrian Kempe, drew blood around the lip area, got a 5 min. major, and a game misconduct.  Kempe ended up scoring on that power play to put the nail in on that game.  That was around the start of the Oilers bleeding games.
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Post by: pg1067 on January 07, 2022, 04:12:36 PM
Seems like that was a big win for the Blues.

Not really. At that point in the game the Blues were controlling the game and were up 2-0. After that the Penguins got all in a tizzy because 87 was touched and it woke them up a bit....Blues were outscored 5-1 after that moment.

Fair enough, but 9/10 times, trading just about anyone on most teams for Crosby is a win.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on January 08, 2022, 12:24:09 PM
The Evander Kane with the Sharks saga is over.  They have terminated the contract "for breach of his NHL Standard Player Contract and for violation of the AHL COVID-19 protocols."  Apparently, no cap penalty for the Sharks.  Wow.  I hope he sorts his issues out.

https://www.nhl.com/sharks/news/statement-from-sharks-regarding-evander-kane/c-329592480

https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1479895416128868352

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Post by: Nick on January 08, 2022, 08:23:08 PM
The Evander Kane with the Sharks saga is over.  They have terminated the contract "for breach of his NHL Standard Player Contract and for violation of the AHL COVID-19 protocols."  Apparently, no cap penalty for the Sharks.  Wow.  I hope he sorts his issues out.

https://www.nhl.com/sharks/news/statement-from-sharks-regarding-evander-kane/c-329592480

https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1479895416128868352


Kings did similar with Mike Richards, and I wouldn't be surprised if Kane fights it and in the end the Sharks see a cap hit / payout of an amount lower than it would have been. That said, with how much Kane has shot himself in the foot I don't think he'll have much leverage, so maybe he just goes away.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on January 08, 2022, 10:58:21 PM
Well, in the case of the Kings, this seems more similar to the Voynov termination also in that same year (not a fun year for the Kings) where the guy did something stupid and it led to a contract termination where they don't have to pay the guy anymore and it doesn't count in the cap hit anymore.

Yeah, I don't see how much leverage Kane has to get some sort of settlement of what's left to pay.  I guess that's up to the NHLPA to find out.   They can file a grievance which is how Richards got the settlement and how the Kings has a minor cap hit on that contract still.

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On August 10, it was announced that the National Hockey League Players' Association (NHLPA) had filed a grievance on behalf of Richards to contest the termination.[35] On October 9, 2015, the Kings announced a settlement with Richards, thus making him a free agent.
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Post by: KevShmev on January 09, 2022, 02:43:33 PM
Well, the Blues were the beneficiary of some atrocious officiating today. 
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Post by: TAC on January 09, 2022, 02:44:19 PM
Well, the Blues were the beneficiary of some atrocious officiating today.

Say it Gary! SAY IT GARY!!
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Post by: kingshmegland on January 09, 2022, 04:07:44 PM
Lol.

B's seem to be finding their stride. Let's hope they continue this play.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on January 09, 2022, 06:04:00 PM
Well, the Blues were the beneficiary of some atrocious officiating today.

Say it Gary! SAY IT GARY!!

 :lol
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Post by: Anguyen92 on January 11, 2022, 07:24:22 PM
Well, read that Tuukka Rask has resigned with the Bruins for the rest of the season for $1 million.  People in Boston seems to be polarized when it comes to this guy.  From this outsider viewpoint, I think he still wants to be there and would not want to go anywhere else (he hung around in their practice facilities after recovering from surgery, was actually a EBUG at Boston, I believe he signed a PTO with their AHL team to get back in the fray).  All I can say is good luck with that.

Also, I heard some murmurs that Evander Kane is going to sign with the Oilers soon, days after his contract termination with the Sharks.  Oilers organization plays quite a confusing approach in building a team when they have two of the very best players in the game.  I know that Kane, despite his off-ice baggage, is still a good on-ice player, but how many GMs are going to play the "this time it's going to be different because he's in our team"?
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Post by: SchecterShredder on January 11, 2022, 07:49:30 PM
I don't think there's wheels to that Kane to Oilers noise. I hear the Leafs were talking to him, as well, so my guess this is just a bunch of hockey writers speculating and hoping they get a hit so they look good.  Not too difficult to look at the sliding Oilers and think there'd be a fit for a sizeable winger with a scoring touch.
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Post by: SchecterShredder on January 11, 2022, 07:51:33 PM
Then again we traded Hall for Larsson straight up, drafted Nail Yakupov 1st overall, and, more recently,  signed Mikko-fucking-Koskinen to a multi-year deal the day before firing the GM. Nothing would surprise me
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Post by: Anguyen92 on January 11, 2022, 08:11:45 PM
I mean at least Yakupov gave you guys this moment.  It was against the Kings though in a early in the season game in 2013, I think.  That was to tie the game in the last seconds btw, not win it.  They were to proceed to win it in OT though and thought the Oilers was going to be fine.

(https://ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2013/11/nail-yakupov-goal-celebration.gif)
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 12, 2022, 06:50:44 AM
I'm not sure whether to be happy, or annoyed with the Leafs.  On the one hand, they played like ass for 4 out of 6 periods, and blew a couple of 2-goal third period leads.  On the other hand, they played 2 great periods out of 6 and had a 2-goal lead in the third against both the Avs and Knights on the road, despite ending up on the wrong end of more than a few borderline officiating calls - and came out of the two games with 3 out of 4 points.

I think the last point is the key takeaway.

Hadn't heard any rumblings of Kane coming to Toronto, and I sure as shit hope he doesn't.  I can't see how his baggage isn't going to be toxic in any Canadian hockey town/media circus.  Carolina should take a flyer on him - things have worked out well for the team with DeAngelo.  :lol
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Post by: TAC on January 12, 2022, 09:17:17 AM
Well, read that Tuukka Rask has resigned with the Bruins for the rest of the season for $1 million.  People in Boston seems to be polarized when it comes to this guy.  From this outsider viewpoint, I think he still wants to be there and would not want to go anywhere else (he hung around in their practice facilities after recovering from surgery, was actually a EBUG at Boston, I believe he signed a PTO with their AHL team to get back in the fray).  All I can say is good luck with that.

Must look weird as hell from the outside. Basically, they let his contract run out at the end of last year. I think Tuukka is taking it year to year at this point, but the thing is is that he had a bum hip that required surgery this off season. Seems he and the Bruins had an agreement that he would come back if/when he was ready at an extremely team friendly deal.  Rask has stated that he will only play for the Bruins, or move his family back to Finland and play there, similar to what Krecji just did. I think that's the end game anyway. But he said he's not moving his family around the country just to play in the NHL.

The Bruins were also playing two rookies at the end of last year, Jeremy Swayman (who is projected to be the team's next #1) and Dan Vladar, who was shipped off to Calgary I think when the team signed Linus Ullmark to a FA contract in the off season. Seemed Ullmark was signed to have a veteran presence as insurance in case Rask didn't come back.

Rask signed the PTO with Providence to really just get some games in. He is not "trying out". With the AHL Covid issues, the Bruins are taking a chance and bringing him right back to Boston. He's been rehabbing at the Bruins' facility the whole time.

Unfortunately, Swayman got sent down to make room, and apparently was not happy about it. But I think Ullman's contract is extremely restrictive about what the B's can and cannot do with him.
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Post by: kingshmegland on January 12, 2022, 09:33:39 AM
Which begs to question why did they give Ullman a 4 year deal with. what was it, 5 million a year if they knew Tuuka would be back?
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Post by: TAC on January 12, 2022, 10:30:27 AM
Don Sweeney has to go would be the answer.
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 12, 2022, 10:39:08 AM
Which begs to question why did they give Ullman a 4 year deal with. what was it, 5 million a year if they knew Tuuka would be back?

If Ullmark was playing better than Swayman, this wouldn't be a question at all.  The fact Swayman has performed better (statistically) is where the rub is.  No team is going to assign a contract like Ullmark's to the minors (well, except Ottawa ... but that was also to get Murray some playing time, and get back in NHL shape). The risk of losing Ullmark off waivers, or that Swayman doesn't maintain that level of performance outweighs his fee fees of being pissed that he gets sent down despite his strong performance.  An 8-6-2 record (including 1-2-2 in the last 5 starts) in your 2nd year in the league record doesn't give you a lot of leverage as a 23 year old.  Ullmark's 4-1 in his last 5.  Suck it up buttercup.
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Post by: kingshmegland on January 12, 2022, 10:42:35 AM
You can say that now Chad but I'm talking off season.  They should have not given Ulmark the contract.  Let the kid play. He was fantastic in the 10 games the season before. More money freed up instead of tied up with a Goalie, that will be the backup if Tuuka hits stride.  Also, they new Tuuka would be back at some point this year  so ride it out. 

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Post by: jingle.boy on January 12, 2022, 10:55:54 AM
You can say that now Chad but I'm talking off season.  They should have not given Ulmark the contract.  Let the kid play. He was fantastic in the 10 games the season before. More money freed up instead of tied up with a Goalie, that will be the backup if Tuuka hits stride.  Also, they new Tuuka would be back at some point this year  so ride it out.

On principle, I agree.  In practicality, the goalie options were limited.  IIRC, by the time they got to Ullmark, all the better options were gone - Anderson, Mrazek, Grubauer.  The next best options ... Reimer? Ranta? Holtby?  Ridditch?  Martin fucking Jones??

Statistically, he was worth about $5M-ish, known to be able to handle a #1 role, and was worth the 'risk' to see how he could produce on a good team.  Ullmark was probably the best option available to them.  Maybe they can unload him to Edmonton, or another team that needs a better #1?
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Post by: TAC on January 12, 2022, 10:59:36 AM
Pretty sure Ulmark has a no movement. I don't even think they can send him to Providence.
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Post by: kingshmegland on January 12, 2022, 11:21:26 AM
You can say that now Chad but I'm talking off season.  They should have not given Ulmark the contract.  Let the kid play. He was fantastic in the 10 games the season before. More money freed up instead of tied up with a Goalie, that will be the backup if Tuuka hits stride.  Also, they new Tuuka would be back at some point this year  so ride it out.

On principle, I agree.  In practicality, the goalie options were limited.  IIRC, by the time they got to Ullmark, all the better options were gone - Anderson, Mrazek, Grubauer.  The next best options ... Reimer? Ranta? Holtby?  Ridditch?  Martin fucking Jones??

Statistically, he was worth about $5M-ish, known to be able to handle a #1 role, and was worth the 'risk' to see how he could produce on a good team.  Ullmark was probably the best option available to them.  Maybe they can unload him to Edmonton, or another team that needs a better #1?

Stay with the 2 Rookies. Dan Vladar who they lost in the draft. 

Pretty sure Ulmark has a no movement. I don't even think they can send him to Providence.

Adding to the insult.  Now we are stuck with him for 4 years.
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 12, 2022, 11:51:25 AM

Stay with the 2 Rookies. Dan Vladar who they lost in the draft. 

Pretty sure Ulmark has a no movement. I don't even think they can send him to Providence.

Adding to the insult.  Now we are stuck with him for 4 years.

Yeah, right.  No team that wants to contend for the Cup is going to go into the season with two inexperienced goalies.  Then you end up having two goalies the quality of MacKenzie Blackwood and Carter Hart.  Sweeney would've be lit up by the media and fans.  I don't understand what draft you guys lost Vladar in?  Sweeney traded him for a 3rd round pick.  Was he going to be exposed in the expansion draft and feared to be lost, so he got moved for *something*?
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Post by: kingshmegland on January 12, 2022, 11:58:37 AM
No, I had on the brain the expansion draft. Still, they knew Tuuka was coming back so why sign a 4 year, no trade clause deal?  Sign a vet for 1 or 2 to get you by, not cause a log jam in that area.  It's like they planned on moving on from Rask, then figured out Ulmark was not what they thought so here's Rask!!


Sweeney has been suspect with this team.  Look at the opportunity gone wrong here with guys in their prime.
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 12, 2022, 12:02:41 PM
No, I had on the brain the expansion draft. Still, they knew Tuuka was coming back so why sign a 4 year, no trade clause deal?  Sign a vet for 1 or 2 to get you by, not cause a log jam in that area.  It's like they planned on moving on from Rask, then figured out Ulmark was not what they thought so here's Rask!!


Sweeney has been suspect with this team.  Look at the opportunity gone wrong here with guys in their prime.

What if they were in 10th place come the time for Rask's return?  What if Rask wasn't 100% upon his return.  Contingencies man... that's what Ullmark's signing was.  Ideally, he could've/should've been gotten for a 2-3 year term, and closer to $4M AAV.  But, beggers can't be choosers.  On the flip-side, Ullmark is 6 years younger than Rask.  Father time will catch him.  Maybe the plan is for Ullmark to be the 1a option while Rask is 1b for the next 3 years?
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Post by: TAC on January 12, 2022, 12:07:01 PM

Stay with the 2 Rookies. Dan Vladar who they lost in the draft. 

Pretty sure Ulmark has a no movement. I don't even think they can send him to Providence.

Adding to the insult.  Now we are stuck with him for 4 years.

Yeah, right.  No team that wants to contend for the Cup is going to go into the season with two inexperienced goalies.  Then you end up having two goalies the quality of MacKenzie Blackwood and Carter Hart.  Sweeney would've be lit up by the media and fans.  I don't understand what draft you guys lost Vladar in?  Sweeney traded him for a 3rd round pick.  Was he going to be exposed in the expansion draft and feared to be lost, so he got moved for *something*?

I said Vladar was shipped off.  ;D


Personally, I thought the Ulmark signing was a good one. I did support it. There was no way to know how Tuukka was going to respond. His original timeline had him coming back mid March. Now he's back in two months sooner.

Personally, I'd have kept Vladar in Providence. He was one of THREE 2nd round picks in that brutal 2015.
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Post by: kingshmegland on January 12, 2022, 12:10:02 PM
I get it but why not a vet with a shorter deal?  At some point you have to go with a rookie goalie.  Trust me, ask Tim.  Lot's of questions here about Sweeney's drafting and moves.

For example, the 2015 draft where they had the 13 through 15th pick in the first round.  The worst case scenario was for them to draft 3 times in a row, which happened.  2 of the 3 have asked to be traded.  Jakub Zboril, Jake DeBrusk, and Zachary Senyshyn.  Zboril they only one not asking out.

 
Zac Rinaldo for a 3rd round pick.  Ugh.


I could go on.





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Post by: TAC on January 12, 2022, 12:14:00 PM
I get it but why not a vet with a shorter deal?  At some point you have to go with a rookie goalie.  Trust me, ask Tim.  Lot's of questions here about Sweeney's drafting and moves.

For example, the 2015 draft where they had the 13 through 15th pick in the first round.  The worst case scenario was for them to draft 3 times in a row, which happened.  2 of the 3 have asked to be traded.  Jakub Zboril, Jake DeBrusk, and Zachary Senyshyn.  Zboril they only one not asking out.

 
Zac Rinaldo for a 3rd round pick.  Ugh.


I could go on.

And Debrusk and Senycheyn (sp) each asked for trades this year. Everyone questioned them taking Senycheyn (sp) with that pick. He was playing third line on McDavid's team. This is another example of Sweeney thinking he's the smartest guy in the room.

Don't forget, they not only had 3 picks in the first round, they also had three in the 2nd round! Carlo who is one of the best players taken that round, Vladar, and JFK, who is now back in Sweden.


He also took Trent Frederic with a 1st round pick. WTF??
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 12, 2022, 12:47:28 PM
Guys ... fan can bitch about WTF moves their  team/GM made.  Like why the fuck did the Leafs trade Rask for "Red Light" Raycroft?!?!?

Don't get Schecter started.  HE could go on and on.
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Post by: kingshmegland on January 12, 2022, 01:53:23 PM
 :lol
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Post by: DragonAttack on January 12, 2022, 02:22:12 PM
Before my wife broke her wrist last month, the two of us had planned to spend a couple of days in Philly next week, centered around a Red Wings-Flyers game.  We were just notified that it has been postponed.  We already received our hotel refund, maybe the same will hold true for our game tickets.

I know they postponed their game against Carolina last night.  Nothing on the Flyers website as to their scheduled games in between......

EDIT:  Well, it was on the Red Wings website, dated January 5th!  Nice that we were not notified until the 11th....



 
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Post by: SchecterShredder on January 12, 2022, 02:24:25 PM
Guys ... fan can bitch about WTF moves their  team/GM made.  Like why the fuck did the Leafs trade Rask for "Red Light" Raycroft?!?!?

Don't get Schecter started.  HE could go on and on.

Well....we did have Chiarelli as GM for 3 or 4 years, after all. No need to elaborate any further.
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 13, 2022, 06:51:36 AM
And that’s why they play the games. 2-1 regular time loss .... not the first time the Leafs have been stonewalled by a no-name goalie who all of a sudden becomes the second coming of Dominic Hasek for one night. Damn that kid made some ridonkulous saves.

Let’s call that one a “character building” game.  :lol
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Post by: kingshmegland on January 13, 2022, 06:55:46 AM
Marchand with 7 goals in the last 3 games. Plus a hockey nose tp add. Rub some dirt on it and get back in there.
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Post by: jammindude on January 13, 2022, 05:13:13 PM
Ok Kev and gmiller....we're head to head tonight.

As Blues fans, and experienced hockey fans, I hope you can give me your objective opinion on what the hell we're doing wrong.

I didn't see last nights game against the Stars, but most of the other games I've seen we seem to be **just this close** to having it go the other way.   But we've been losing so consistently, that I'm forced to admit that it must be more than that.  I'm just missing something.

We're scrappy.  We definitely create opportunities, we just can't seem to capitalize on most of them.  :-\
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Post by: TAC on January 13, 2022, 05:19:33 PM
Ok Kev and gmiller....we're head to head tonight.

More like head to headcase tonight.



As Blues fans, and experienced hockey fans, I hope you can give me your objective opinion on what the hell we're doing wrong.


It's the refs. The refs must be against you.
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Post by: jammindude on January 13, 2022, 05:25:56 PM
urm....wut?
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Post by: TAC on January 13, 2022, 05:26:55 PM
Those are what they're responses are going to be.
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Post by: jammindude on January 13, 2022, 05:42:42 PM
Ah.   :rollin :rollin :rollin

For a second, I was like..."Did I piss off Tim somehow somewhere?" 

But honestly.  I feel like a newb and I'm not too proud.   So I don't mind if those with more experience than me pick apart the Kraken and objectively explain to me (as a newcomer) what on earth is going on. 

I didn't expect the playoffs.   But we're literally worst in the league and it doesn't *feel* like we're playing like the worst team in the entire NHL. 
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Post by: TAC on January 13, 2022, 05:55:38 PM
My advice to you would be if you're playing the Blues tonight, don't try and talk to Gary until at least Saturday. :lol
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Post by: TAC on January 13, 2022, 06:00:05 PM
But honestly.  I feel like a newb and I'm not too proud.   So I don't mind if those with more experience than me pick apart the Kraken and objectively explain to me (as a newcomer) what on earth is going on. 

J-Dude, no worries. Hockey is a great game. You guys are an expansion team. Guess what. Expansion teams are never successful. Somehow Vegas made it to the Stanley Cup Finals a few years ago, but that is the exception.


The Kraken play hard, and that's expected. Guys are fighting for jobs, but there's just never enough talent on expansion teams for success.
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 13, 2022, 07:01:09 PM
My advice to you would be if you're playing the Blues tonight, don't try and talk to Gary until at least Saturday. :lol

Nailed it

And Saturday, it’s the Leafs v Blues.

But honestly.  I feel like a newb and I'm not too proud.   So I don't mind if those with more experience than me pick apart the Kraken and objectively explain to me (as a newcomer) what on earth is going on. 

J-Dude, no worries. Hockey is a great game. You guys are an expansion team. Guess what. Expansion teams are never successful. Somehow Vegas made it to the Stanley Cup Finals a few years ago, but that is the exception.


The Kraken play hard, and that's expected. Guys are fighting for jobs, but there's just never enough talent on expansion teams for success.

Vegas was a one in a thousand chance. Everything that could go right, did. No expansion team in any sport ever in our lifetime will have this kind of success.

And The Kracken are not the worst in the league. Close, but there’s a few that are worse.
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Post by: KevShmev on January 13, 2022, 08:42:20 PM
The Kraken are a scrappy bunch and put up a good fight, but eventually succumbed to the team that will inevitably win the Cup later this spring.
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Post by: jammindude on January 13, 2022, 09:45:45 PM
Guys…there is no ‘c’ in Kraken.  ::)  :lol

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Post by: Anguyen92 on January 13, 2022, 11:07:47 PM
Jammin, if it makes you feel any better, I don't feel good about the game on Saturday, Kings vs Kraken.  The Kings have won really decisively over the Rangers and Pens in the last two games.  Most of their wins, this season, comes from East Coast teams.  Kings are like 50-50 against the Pacific and hasn't really fared that great against the Central.  I feel like this is going to a trap game for them and that the Kraken is due for a win.

On the plus side, this is a good day.  Kings won decisively against a pretty good team and some of the key teams behind them (Sharks and Flames) lost.  The playoff picture looks to be locked up for the East, but not in the West.  I'm sweating as there could be five teams right behind the Kings that can catch up to them if all goes well for them.
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Post by: jammindude on January 14, 2022, 12:26:13 AM
Jammin, if it makes you feel any better, I don't feel good about the game on Saturday, Kings vs Kraken.  The Kings have won really decisively over the Rangers and Pens in the last two games.  Most of their wins, this season, comes from East Coast teams.  Kings are like 50-50 against the Pacific and hasn't really fared that great against the Central.  I feel like this is going to a trap game for them and that the Kraken is due for a win.

On the plus side, this is a good day.  Kings won decisively against a pretty good team and some of the key teams behind them (Sharks and Flames) lost.  The playoff picture looks to be locked up for the East, but not in the West.  I'm sweating as there could be five teams right behind the Kings that can catch up to them if all goes well for them.

I think it’s going to be a close game. Most of our games have been. And their play tonight against a red hot Blues team gave me hope. I really felt like they played them much stronger than anyone expected…even if we didn’t quite pull it off.

I think our biggest problem is Grubauer…which I can’t believe I’m even saying. When I heard the hype about him before the season started, I was really excited about the season. But I’ve watched nearly every game, and he has absolutely NOT lived up to his hype. Meanwhile, Driedger has been playing his ass off with far better results, and I can’t for the life of me figure out why they are still giving Grubauer the bulk of the starts.

But… it’s just our first season.

And I want to reiterate. I was NOT seeking a playoff birth our first season. I just was hoping to not be dead last in our division. I thought it was a reasonable hope.
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Post by: KevShmev on January 14, 2022, 05:37:05 AM
Guys…there is no ‘c’ in Kraken.  ::)  :lol

Damn it.  :facepalm: :facepalm: :lol :lol
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Post by: pg1067 on January 14, 2022, 10:12:10 AM

And The Kracken are not the worst in the league. Close, but there’s a few that are worse.

The Kings will play the Kracklen for the first time on Saturday.  Looking forward to it, in no small part because the Kings are playing REALLY well right now.


Jammin, if it makes you feel any better, I don't feel good about the game on Saturday, Kings vs Kraken.  The Kings have won really decisively over the Rangers and Pens in the last two games.  Most of their wins, this season, comes from East Coast teams.  Kings are like 50-50 against the Pacific and hasn't really fared that great against the Central.  I feel like this is going to a trap game for them and that the Kraken is due for a win.

On the plus side, this is a good day.  Kings won decisively against a pretty good team and some of the key teams behind them (Sharks and Flames) lost.  The playoff picture looks to be locked up for the East, but not in the West.  I'm sweating as there could be five teams right behind the Kings that can catch up to them if all goes well for them.

Oddly, the Kings have played fewer games against the Pacific Division (7 with a 3-3-1 record) than against any of the other three divisions (10 against the Atlantic with an 8-1-1 record, 8 against the Metro with a 4-4-1 record, and 12 against the Central with a 3-6-3 record).  Obviously, that means the second half of the season will be heavy with intra-divisional and intra-conference games, and the Kings are going to have to keep doing what they've done since Christmas if they want to move up in the standings.
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Post by: SchecterShredder on January 14, 2022, 01:33:28 PM
All the Canadian teams in the pacific are slowing things down since the league stopped Canada based home games. Oil haven't played since Jan 5th. They've got 4 or 5 games in hand on all the California teams,  so they should hopefully climb the standings once games resume.

That's also assuming they get the heads out of their asses
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Post by: TAC on January 14, 2022, 02:00:26 PM

And Saturday, it’s the Leafs v Blues.

 ???

So after the Bruins play the Preds in the afternoon, they have to play the Leafs at night? They do doubleheaders in hockey?
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 14, 2022, 02:11:08 PM

And Saturday, it’s the Leafs v Blues.

 ???

So after the Bruins play the Preds in the afternoon, they have to play the Leafs at night? They do doubleheaders in hockey?

(https://news.umiamihealth.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2017/03/EyeStrain-1-300x214.jpg)

You read as good as King types!!   :lol
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Post by: TAC on January 14, 2022, 02:13:28 PM
 :rollin

Oh my God, I'm fucking blind. :lol
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Post by: kingshmegland on January 14, 2022, 02:43:53 PM
What, thu Fuque.
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Post by: KevShmev on January 15, 2022, 09:01:19 PM
Crazy back and forth game tonight in STL, as the Leafs snag one on the road.  Winning goal was a weird one, but hey it all counts, right? The Blues need to tighten up defensively, but love seeing the young guys continue to produce on the score sheet.
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Post by: TheCountOfNYC on January 15, 2022, 11:18:28 PM
I’ll never get tired of watching the Rangers beat the Flyers. It’s not as personal as beating the Islanders or Devils, but seeing a team from Philly get put in their place always brings a smile to my face.
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 16, 2022, 04:22:41 AM
Crazy back and forth game tonight in STL, as the Leafs snag one on the road.  Winning goal was a weird one, but hey it all counts, right? The Blues need to tighten up defensively, but love seeing the young guys continue to produce on the score sheet.

Agreed... that was a really fun game to watch.  Refs were kinda inconsistent, but towards both teams. There were some "missed" calls - arguable the 4th goal for the Blues was a result of a nice tackle/hold by a Blues player, but I wasn't too stuffed about it.  Muzzin got away with a clear trip later in the period with the ref about 3 feet away from the play.  And yeah ... that GWG was a stinker.

Rangers on Wednesday.  Given the NJ game postponement on Monday, this will be a 2 week road trip, with it actually being 3 weeks between home games.  I don't think the league can postpone anymore home games just because of the fan attendance limitations - which are supposed to be re-evaluated on the 26th.
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Post by: pg1067 on January 16, 2022, 03:38:10 PM

And Saturday, it’s the Leafs v Blues.

 ???

So after the Bruins play the Preds in the afternoon, they have to play the Leafs at night? They do doubleheaders in hockey?

(https://news.umiamihealth.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2017/03/EyeStrain-1-300x214.jpg)

You read as good as King types!!   :lol

 :lol :lol :lol