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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Harmony on August 03, 2021, 11:50:44 AM
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So for several years now, I've followed a former flight attendant on IG. Her handle is "Passenger Shaming" and it never ceases to amaze me what kind of things happen while flying. Like who thinks being on an airplane is a great place to cut their toe nails? Or dry their panties using the overhead air flow? Or leaving behind used condoms or bottles of piss for the cleaning crew to manage? Don't even get me started on the folks who walk barefoot to and from the lavs - uh...newsflash, that isn't water on the floor in there.
But I'm noticing a disturbing trend - and maybe it is just social media ginning things up - but did anyone see that out of control passenger that had to be duct taped to the seat after he groped 2 female flight attendants and then punched a male flight attendant?
https://nypost.com/2021/08/03/man-accused-of-groping-flight-attendants-duct-taped-to-seat/
I don't think this is just alcohol-fueled-nincompoopery or just the mask mandates. What is it with folks who are traveling who think the plane is a substitute for their living room and they just get to make up their own rules? Does the threat of a lifetime ban from air travel not seem to be enough?
Does anyone here have a good story to share about the crazy things they've seen while traveling?
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I won't fly Spirit or Frontier, so truthfully, these sorts of things are quite as common.
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I've never seen the stuff I read about online in person while flying. I do however come across some really disgusting people who you'd think should take a little bit more care of themselves before sitting next to random people with little room for a few hours.
I think it was flying back from Atlanta where I was completely drenched in sweat when I boarded the plane, I felt pretty bad for the person next to me because I looked like a hot mess, but I really couldn't control that.
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As I think a bit more about it, I think it's an unavoidable problem. Part of it is certainly boorish passengers. The airlines certainly have their share of the blame, though, and that's partly a result of trying to cater to those boorish passengers. Passengers used to be well behaved and treated flying as a great thing. Flying also used to be a great, enjoyable experience. As the airlines try to make travel affordable to the masses, and they've certainly succeeded, they've made it into something downright awful. Anybody really enjoy flying anymore? This is where we began (https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.everythingpanam.com%2Fimages%2F1964%2520August%2520stainless%2520steel%2520gravy%2520in%2520707%2520F%2520roast%2520cart%2520a.jpg&f=1&nofb=1) with commercial air travel. Here is where (https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic01.nyt.com%2Fimages%2F2013%2F12%2F23%2Fbusiness%2Fjp-SMOOSH%2Fjp-SMOOSH-master1050.jpg&f=1&nofb=1) we've wound up. You've got 9 people where 2 used to be. Then factor in tight schedules and long lines. Delays when you're already in the plane and you're cooking because they won't run an engine to save fuel. You've got people fighting over storage bins because checking bags is so expensive.
This is where Spirit and Frontier (and of course Ryanair, for our Limey friends) come in. Making flights as cheap as possible for the cheapest possible passengers, and increasing stress and annoyance as they go. It's no wonder people snap. Now not only do you have all the customary aggravations, but you've got gate agents dinging you $50 because you didn't print your tickets at home, and another $50 because your bag is 18g overweight. It's a race to the bottom in terms of both cost and dignity.
Yes, people should certainly try to be considerate of one another. We're all just trying to get through it the same way. At the same time we've all been dehumanized in the process. We are freight. We get slotted in a 3 cubic foot bin and carted about. I can understand some people wanting to try and make themselves as comfortable as possible.
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I was with you 1000% - and grateful you wrote it first - up to the last paragraph. I'm old enough to remember people who dressed for a flight like they were going to work in an office (I did that too for a short time) and now it's PJ's and flip flops. That second photo is quite tame compared to some of the people I've seen.
Yes, the airlines treat you like a FedEx package, but tend your own garden. How the airline treats you isn't really the standard by which you should treat those around you. I'm not from the airline; get your bare foot with gross toes and foot fungus away from me. (I can still recall the flight where the guy next to me was in flip flops and crossed his legs so that his right foot was within inches of my hand as I rested on the armrest. As I'm not a huge foot person to begin with, it was pure torture for me.)
I still dress for flights as I would for at a minimum, a modest $$ restaurant. At MINIMUM, sneakers or loafers, jeans or shorts, and a collared shirt. And while I don't check bags when flying solo, I make it a point to put my bag - when I can - in front of me so I don't have to work back through traffic to get it. And if I do, I wait until ALL rows between me and my bag are gone before going back, so I'm not holding up the line. I prep to disembark as best I can again, so I'm not holding up the line. If I don't have a connection and the flight is late, I stay seated at least until the rows have passed me. If I've checked bags at the jetway, I actually stand in the line on the side of the jetway instead of clogging the ramp waiting for my bag to come up.
It's just simple awareness and common courtesy.
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I think there is a general trend of people just not giving a fuck about others in this country. I'm not entirely sold on it being the airlines faults that people are douches.
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I don't think it's the airline's fault. I think the airlines share a good deal of the responsibility. The reality is that the boorish weren't going to fly Pan Am in 1964. Now they can, and cutting costs has enabled that. At the same time cutting costs has made the entire process quite unpleasant. Replace pleasure with aggravation, replace well-healed with boorish, and then double the capacity and you're going to wind up with carnage. From where I sit, spend a few bucks more on a proper airline and get a proportionately better experience with a proportionate decrease in scum.
Seriously, I've tried finding a picture of a Spirit flight to compare with the "after" picture I posted above, and they all look like this (https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.counton2.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F7%2F2017%2F05%2Fspirit-airlines-cancels-flights_35426717_ver1.0.jpg%3Fw%3D1752%26h%3D986%26crop%3D1&f=1&nofb=1). :rollin
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Last time I flew was nearly 6 years ago and don't plan on it again any time soon. In my book, everyone on the plane is a douchebaggery asshole until they prove they're not.
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Here are a few interesting and relatively short articles that compare the "Golden Age" of air travel to now.
https://www.travelandleisure.com/airlines-airports/history-of-flight-costs
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/air-travel-1950s_n_5461411
https://gizmodo.com/air-travel-today-is-a-damn-bargain-951705216 (multiply the prices listed by 10 to get the equivalent in today's dollar)
I have a vague memory of being told that my family flew back east to visit extended family when I was just a couple years old. Obviously, I have no memory of the trip. The first time I remember getting on a plane was in 1981, when my mother and I flew from Socal to Denver to spend a few weeks with my sister and her family. I don't recall much about the flight, but I do recall extracting a promise from my mother not to smoke on the plane. I didn't get on a plane again until 1989 when I briefly dated a girl who worked for Southwest Airlines. That being my adult introduction to flying, things don't seem too different, except that the prices that my now-wife and I paid back in the mid-'90s to travel from one coast to the other are about the same despite a dollar from 1995 having the buying power of $1.78 in today's dollars.
Every once in a while I'm tempted to book on Spirit or Frontier, but I've never actually done it.
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Well, I haven't flown on an airplane in 17 years prior to 2019, but all of the 10 plane trips I have taken since then, I can safely say I only had one bad experience. I was on a plane (it was with Delta) from Orlando to Raleigh for a concert in September 2019 and I was sitting next to a family and their child was touching my face and they didn't do anything to stop it or said anything to me to acknowledge it.
I was a bit miffed about it, but I really didn't care about it in the moment, since I had a certain goal I wanted to accomplish. You see, by pure sheer coincidence, I was on the same plane with Myles Kennedy of Alter Bridge and I really wanted to see if I can get a few minutes to chat with the guy after we landed in Raleigh, so whatever happened in the plane ride was irrelevant if I can get that moment, and I did and it was the greatest moment of my life. Here's the picture.
https://imgur.com/9fXqQiM
So yeah, I say I have a decent track record of ok plane/airline experiences.
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Are you sure it wasn't you touching Myles Kennedy's face?
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Nawww, he was in first class. I was in coach with the crying children.
But yeah, I say I have a decent track record of ok plane/airline experiences. I find it funny though that in John Wayne Airport in the OC, they had a display of all of the Anaheim Ducks Jerseys in their history. I haven't been to LAX, so I can't say if they have the same deal for the Lakers, Dodgers, Kings, etc.
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That's pretty cool, but wtf with the touching of your face? I mean, kids being kids fine, but I would have put an end to that real quick.
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I fly so seldom these days, that when I do I make sure it's a good airline and I get first class tickets. I don't want to deal with coach anymore. Those people are crazy!
When I have to fly for work they always get me and my coworkers first class tickets, so that's nice.
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Work only allows first class for international travel, but I can do economy plus for all flights which doesn't change that much in terms of being in coach. I can get that upgrade for free with my status but screw it, I'd rather let the company pay so I can get the few extra miles.
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That's pretty cool, but wtf with the touching of your face? I mean, kids being kids fine, but I would have put an end to that real quick.
Spoken like somebody who's never sported a long beard. :lol
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I've never flown all that much, but I can tell you that I would never entertain the option of flying Break Your Spirit airlines. Frontier, either.
Southwest is as low as I go for bargain flying and, sadly, I have seen several stories recently from them around idiot passengers. Frankly, makes me not want to bother right now.
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We only fly Jetblue. We've been happy with them.
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I've never flown all that much, but I can tell you that I would never entertain the option of flying Break Your Spirit airlines. Frontier, either.
Southwest is as low as I go for bargain flying and, sadly, I have seen several stories recently from them around idiot passengers. Frankly, makes me not want to bother right now.
In my experience, SWA isn't really a bargain at all anymore. That might have to do with AA hubbing out of DFW, but nine times out of ten AA blows them out of the air, price wise. If you book on exactly the right day, and don't mind flying out at 0500, you can do alright. Those tickets go fast, though, and any decent flights are terribly overpriced. They're a good airline, but as a low cost carrier they get by on reputation only.
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That's pretty cool, but wtf with the touching of your face? I mean, kids being kids fine, but I would have put an end to that real quick.
Spoken like somebody who's never sported a long beard. :lol
I can't grow one if I wanted to :-[ , but he mentioned touching the face which I think is different than touching a long beard. However, if we are talking travel to some countries, different customs do exist.
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I've never flown all that much, but I can tell you that I would never entertain the option of flying Break Your Spirit airlines. Frontier, either.
Southwest is as low as I go for bargain flying and, sadly, I have seen several stories recently from them around idiot passengers. Frankly, makes me not want to bother right now.
In my experience, SWA isn't really a bargain at all anymore. That might have to do with AA hubbing out of DFW, but nine times out of ten AA blows them out of the air, price wise. If you book on exactly the right day, and don't mind flying out at 0500, you can do alright. Those tickets go fast, though, and any decent flights are terribly overpriced. They're a good airline, but as a low cost carrier they get by on reputation only.
We do fly Spirit when going to Florida, primarily because when we do that, it's usually five or six people at a time, so we (I) accept the hardship, breath deep and suck it up for three hours. I feel like I can do ANYTHING for three hours in the right mindset (that is to say, with a couple Long Islands). So we're traveling based on price only; SouthWest rarely factors into the equation in those instances. For work, I stick with the bigger carriers, usually AA or Delta.
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I can't say I've seen much of this type of behaviour on any of the European flights I've been on.
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I assume none of you have ever flown to Israel, especially on El Al?
They're getting better but they have a long history of pandering to the ultra religious. So much so that women will often have to be moved if a religious man doesn't want to sit next to them. Religious Jewish men get to do whatever they want and everyone else has to accommodate them.
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I've never flown all that much, but I can tell you that I would never entertain the option of flying Break Your Spirit airlines. Frontier, either.
Southwest is as low as I go for bargain flying and, sadly, I have seen several stories recently from them around idiot passengers. Frankly, makes me not want to bother right now.
In my experience, SWA isn't really a bargain at all anymore. That might have to do with AA hubbing out of DFW, but nine times out of ten AA blows them out of the air, price wise. If you book on exactly the right day, and don't mind flying out at 0500, you can do alright. Those tickets go fast, though, and any decent flights are terribly overpriced. They're a good airline, but as a low cost carrier they get by on reputation only.
We do fly Spirit when going to Florida, primarily because when we do that, it's usually five or six people at a time, so we (I) accept the hardship, breath deep and suck it up for three hours. I feel like I can do ANYTHING for three hours in the right mindset (that is to say, with a couple Long Islands). So we're traveling based on price only; SouthWest rarely factors into the equation in those instances. For work, I stick with the bigger carriers, usually AA or Delta.
Does it actually turn out to be any cheaper? The prices I've seen certainly look cheaper at first glance, but only up until you add any one option. It's never cheaper by as much as the cost of a carry-on.
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So Frontier Airlines suspended the FAs who duct taped that guy to his seat. It is shocking to me how many people seem to believe that there are air marshals on every flight. smdh
If anyone follows comedienne Blaire Erskine on social media, her riff on this incident is pretty good.
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So Frontier Airlines suspended the FAs who duct taped that guy to his seat. It is shocking to me how many people seem to believe that there are air marshals on every flight. smdh
If anyone follows comedienne Blaire Erskine on social media, her riff on this incident is pretty good.
Air marshals wouldn't go near that. There may well have been one on that flight and he kept to himself because drunken and/or unruly pax aren't his bag. He's there to shoot terrorists and nothing more.
Also, another reason to not fly Frontier. Herb Kelleher made very clear that one of the reasons for his success was always backing his employees. He regarded "the customer is always right" as one of the worst and most dangerous maxims in business. In that situation I'm giving those FAs some sort of reward. Calling them out sends entirely the wrong message to both your employees and your customers. Good FAs are worth far more than shitty passengers.
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Definitely agree with that last point EB.
I love using the line "the customer is always right" to my friend who owns a car wash when he complains about terrible customers.... but in reality that slogan is bs. Maybe it made sense years ago, but today everyone is trying to one up someone or get a deal. Customers are assholes a lot of the time.
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Definitely agree with that last point EB.
I love using the line "the customer is always right" to my friend who owns a car wash when he complains about terrible customers.... but in reality that slogan is bs. Maybe it made sense years ago, but today everyone is trying to one up someone or get a deal. Customers are assholes a lot of the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOXAs9o3xUE
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Great movie :tup
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Definitely agree with that last point EB.
I love using the line "the customer is always right" to my friend who owns a car wash when he complains about terrible customers.... but in reality that slogan is bs. Maybe it made sense years ago, but today everyone is trying to one up someone or get a deal. Customers are assholes a lot of the time.
Well, it certainly depends on the type of business, but I damn sure hate being on the wrong side of it. In our business customers are hard to come by and we have to keep them. Even the shitty ones, as we still come out way ahead for bending over when need be. I hate giving people free stuff, and I know some of our customers will take advantage of that, but our margins are typically such that we're still blowing them out in the long game. Herb recognized that customers in his industry will always take the cheapest ticket, and if you tell one of them to piss off he'll still come back if you're offering the best deal. Skilled labor was worth more than the potential loss of a one-time customer.
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So Frontier Airlines suspended the FAs who duct taped that guy to his seat. It is shocking to me how many people seem to believe that there are air marshals on every flight. smdh
If anyone follows comedienne Blaire Erskine on social media, her riff on this incident is pretty good.
Air marshals wouldn't go near that. There may well have been one on that flight and he kept to himself because drunken and/or unruly pax aren't his bag. He's there to shoot terrorists and nothing more.
Also, another reason to not fly Frontier. Herb Kelleher made very clear that one of the reasons for his success was always backing his employees. He regarded "the customer is always right" as one of the worst and most dangerous maxims in business. In that situation I'm giving those FAs some sort of reward. Calling them out sends entirely the wrong message to both your employees and your customers. Good FAs are worth far more than shitty passengers.
Yeah, Frontier is taking a lot of heat about suspending those FAs. That said - and while I believe the FAs had to take control for the safety of the passengers and crew - it appears duct tape was used to cover the guys mouth (hard to tell from the angle of the shot from behind) which could potential result is asphyxiation. And I've seen other footage where the guy was completely restrained and other passengers on the plane were filming him and taunting/laughing. Not that he doesn't deserve it, I can just see some legal action there.
About the air marshals though - if there were an incident where the flight could be in jeopardy because of a drunk/unruly passenger, you honestly think they wouldn't intervene at all? And realistically it couldn't be possible to have one on every flight. I'm too lazy to look it up, but that would be a lot of air marshals, wouldn't it? Ugh, other than porta-potty cleaners, I can't think of many worse jobs than that.
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Definitely agree with that last point EB.
I love using the line "the customer is always right" to my friend who owns a car wash when he complains about terrible customers.... but in reality that slogan is bs. Maybe it made sense years ago, but today everyone is trying to one up someone or get a deal. Customers are assholes a lot of the time.
Customers have a sense of entitlement, which they do not.
The entitlement that they are always right and the business is here to serve them.
Also, I think it has a lot to do with expectations, besides just entitlement. People get all hyped up on the commercials or from a friends over exaggeration of the business. Then when they get there their experience is shit. They then get entitled when it doesn't meet those expectations. When the business either went through changes or is having a rough business day, or supplies are short, or many other things that can detriment the experience of the customer.
There's one restaurant business here that opened up but the building they were leasing is old and the bathrooms are in horrible condition. There was a pizza place that did not get any business much at all, and I believe that was due to their horrible bathroom conditions, the sewer was backed up and you could smell that backed up water. This new business I dont think is doing any better. Although, they opened up at another building and I overheard customers telling the servers about the other building and how that place was horrible and this one is much better.
I also find it hilarious how you can get a sense of peoples attitudes and overall behavior just by going to a certain branded store. An example would be how we have The People of Wal-Mart. Compare those people who shop there and those who shop at Target or better yet, Kohl's.
Here where I live, these shops are divided up a bit by class. Most poverty stricken people shop at Walmart, Sam's Club, or Dollar Tree. The next class shops at Target. The higher classes usually shop at Kohl's or the more "well kept" stores. Although, I did hear some nasty stories about the people who do shop at Kohl's.
Oh and I fly Southwest. I don't mind the people because I'm small structured and can fit in anywhere on a plane. I usually try and get the window or aisle seating. But then I usually just put on my headphones and sleep. Or if I get the window look outside and observe the marvelous view of being up in the sky.
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So Frontier Airlines suspended the FAs who duct taped that guy to his seat. It is shocking to me how many people seem to believe that there are air marshals on every flight. smdh
If anyone follows comedienne Blaire Erskine on social media, her riff on this incident is pretty good.
Air marshals wouldn't go near that. There may well have been one on that flight and he kept to himself because drunken and/or unruly pax aren't his bag. He's there to shoot terrorists and nothing more.
Also, another reason to not fly Frontier. Herb Kelleher made very clear that one of the reasons for his success was always backing his employees. He regarded "the customer is always right" as one of the worst and most dangerous maxims in business. In that situation I'm giving those FAs some sort of reward. Calling them out sends entirely the wrong message to both your employees and your customers. Good FAs are worth far more than shitty passengers.
Yeah, Frontier is taking a lot of heat about suspending those FAs. That said - and while I believe the FAs had to take control for the safety of the passengers and crew - it appears duct tape was used to cover the guys mouth (hard to tell from the angle of the shot from behind) which could potential result is asphyxiation. And I've seen other footage where the guy was completely restrained and other passengers on the plane were filming him and taunting/laughing. Not that he doesn't deserve it, I can just see some legal action there.
About the air marshals though - if there were an incident where the flight could be in jeopardy because of a drunk/unruly passenger, you honestly think they wouldn't intervene at all? And realistically it couldn't be possible to have one on every flight. I'm too lazy to look it up, but that would be a lot of air marshals, wouldn't it? Ugh, other than porta-potty cleaners, I can't think of many worse jobs than that.
That guy wasn't endangering the flight. Their job is only to get involved when there's a real danger. If that passenger is likely to kill or really hurt somebody he'd probably get involved, but in that instance passengers would probably take care of it first. It may happen all the time, but I'm not aware of air marshals really getting involved in anything. Anonymity is key to what they do.
As for numbers, they've done an excellent job at hiding them. It could be 5% of all flights. It could be 80%. The only people that know are the air marshals themselves and the captains of their flights, and pilots know better than to squeal about it. I think at least one FA is aware, as well, in case somebody sees a gun and raises a question about it.
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Someone on Twitter made a hilarious comment on the crew getting suspended:
It's Frontier. Execs are pissed they used that much tape. You only get to use a fourth of a roll per passenger unless he/she paid for their carry-on. Then it's half a roll.
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I also find it hilarious how you can get a sense of peoples attitudes and overall behavior just by going to a certain branded store. An example would be how we have The People of Wal-Mart.
I was reading a thing once where a realtor was saying that before you move into a community that you're not familiar with, be sure to go to the local Wal Mart to gauge the area.
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I've never flown all that much, but I can tell you that I would never entertain the option of flying Break Your Spirit airlines. Frontier, either.
Southwest is as low as I go for bargain flying and, sadly, I have seen several stories recently from them around idiot passengers. Frankly, makes me not want to bother right now.
In my experience, SWA isn't really a bargain at all anymore. That might have to do with AA hubbing out of DFW, but nine times out of ten AA blows them out of the air, price wise. If you book on exactly the right day, and don't mind flying out at 0500, you can do alright. Those tickets go fast, though, and any decent flights are terribly overpriced. They're a good airline, but as a low cost carrier they get by on reputation only.
We do fly Spirit when going to Florida, primarily because when we do that, it's usually five or six people at a time, so we (I) accept the hardship, breath deep and suck it up for three hours. I feel like I can do ANYTHING for three hours in the right mindset (that is to say, with a couple Long Islands). So we're traveling based on price only; SouthWest rarely factors into the equation in those instances. For work, I stick with the bigger carriers, usually AA or Delta.
Does it actually turn out to be any cheaper? The prices I've seen certainly look cheaper at first glance, but only up until you add any one option. It's never cheaper by as much as the cost of a carry-on.
Don't tell the wife or my father-in-law, but no, probably not. It is when you book, and sometimes Spirit runs little specials through their frequent flier program, because you don't have to check the boxes on the options or you'll get something thrown in. But then inevitably we/they get to the airport, and we'll end up checking another back or something like that and I'm sure at the end of the trip it's a wash. Someday I ought to track it and put it down on paper and just book the United flight and be done with it. But it's a part of our vacay routine at this point! :) :)
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Tape over the mouth could be a severe problem if he happened to get air sickness mid flight.
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Tape over the mouth could be a severe problem if he happened to get air sickness mid flight.
Good point, and he'd been drinking, to boot.
In this case the suspension seems to be SOP. The airline is citing policy and claiming that it's just to allow an investigation. My hunch is that it has more to do with gauging the wind direction than actually investigating, though. My guess is that they'll get quietly chewed out if they taped his mouth shut, and publicly lauded for their professionalism.
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Here's my question: why does anybody want to get drunk on an airplane? If you're heading to Vegas or NOLA and you want to get an early start on the evening's festivities, I suppose I could kind of see that. Seems to me that there's a finite amount of partying you can do, and I'd rather it be on the ground than in the air, though. But this idiot was flying home. I'd much rather wait until then. One drink I can understand. A bracer, if you will. I don't object so somebody having a bloody mary on an early flight, and I've ordered a beer on an evening flight, but at no point did I have any desire to get all wasted. That's something you do to have fun, and frankly, there's not much fun in flying anymore.
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I take it a step further, I limit my food/liquid intake prior to and on the plane so as to not have to even deal with having to have 'an issue' and have to be running up and down the aisle to the closet. I make sure to not invite any potential embarrassing issues.
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Yeah, I actually limit my foods and beverags as well because I hate having to get up and use the bathroom on a flight. I've never drank on a flight either, for one, because it will make me have to use the bathroom, but also, I don't know if I want the drunk or buzzed feeling while flying. It's likely because my body doesn't handle the potential turbulence too well to begin with so adding booze into the equation just seems like I'm setting myself up for a bad experience.
My brother however can't fly without having a few drinks. He says it's because he gets scared from flying so the booze helps calm him down.
I guess I could see myself one day drinking on a plane, like with a group of people on our way to a party destination, but that's a specific scenario and even then, I'm pretty iffy on that.
I have eaten an edible on a flight before. That kind of just vegs me out though.
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I flew Spirit a few times somewhat recently (prepandemic) and was actually pleasantly surprised. It was considerably cheaper even though I paid for at least one extra. And everything went off pretty smoothly and it was all pretty straightforward. Getting a drink and some pretzels would be nice, but other than not getting that, it wasn't much different than coach on other airlines.
I don't care what people wear on a flight though. I mean I suppose someone could wear something that makes me uncomfortable, but the "worst" I've seen was PJs on an overnight flight and was fine with it. Flying is generally uncomfortable, may as well wear comfortable clothes at least.
Which is not to say I don't wish flying was better. Leaving passengers on the tarmac for hours is ridiculous. How some airlines have handled over booking has been really poor. Some people's behavior is really poor. I just don't know what can be done about it beyond making sure passengers have some basic rights but the airlines can deal with problem passengers fairly.
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Here's my question: why does anybody want to get drunk on an airplane? If you're heading to Vegas or NOLA and you want to get an early start on the evening's festivities, I suppose I could kind of see that. Seems to me that there's a finite amount of partying you can do, and I'd rather it be on the ground than in the air, though. But this idiot was flying home. I'd much rather wait until then. One drink I can understand. A bracer, if you will. I don't object so somebody having a bloody mary on an early flight, and I've ordered a beer on an evening flight, but at no point did I have any desire to get all wasted. That's something you do to have fun, and frankly, there's not much fun in flying anymore.
I'm all for partying, generally, but I'm with you on this one. 100%. I DO drink in airports - I actually like sitting in the airport lounge, having a drink or to, and watching people - and I will once in a blue moon have what you call a bracer, but it's not getting drunk.
I take it a step further, I limit my food/liquid intake prior to and on the plane so as to not have to even deal with having to have 'an issue' and have to be running up and down the aisle to the closet. I make sure to not invite any potential embarrassing issues.
I can honestly say, with all the flying I've ever done, including international, I can't recall EVER having to go number 2 on an airplane, and I can't imagine, short of catastrophe, ever breaking that streak. AirPORTS, yes, but airplane? Nope.
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I can honestly say, with all the flying I've ever done, including international, I can't recall EVER having to go number 2 on an airplane, and I can't imagine, short of catastrophe, ever breaking that streak. AirPORTS, yes, but airplane? Nope.
It's a nightmare scenario for me, and it's happened a few times. The walk of shame out while there's a line down the aisle is really tough :lol
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Here's my question: why does anybody want to get drunk on an airplane? If you're heading to Vegas or NOLA and you want to get an early start on the evening's festivities, I suppose I could kind of see that. Seems to me that there's a finite amount of partying you can do, and I'd rather it be on the ground than in the air, though. But this idiot was flying home. I'd much rather wait until then. One drink I can understand. A bracer, if you will. I don't object so somebody having a bloody mary on an early flight, and I've ordered a beer on an evening flight, but at no point did I have any desire to get all wasted. That's something you do to have fun, and frankly, there's not much fun in flying anymore.
I'm all for partying, generally, but I'm with you on this one. 100%. I DO drink in airports - I actually like sitting in the airport lounge, having a drink or to, and watching people - and I will once in a blue moon have what you call a bracer, but it's not getting drunk.
I dig airport bars, too, but even there I'm more likely to have a club soda/lime than a proper drink. I quit being a nervous flyer years ago, so I don't need anything to calm me down and, as a rule, if I'm not looking to catch a nice buzz I'm not likely to spend $8 on a drink.
I take it a step further, I limit my food/liquid intake prior to and on the plane so as to not have to even deal with having to have 'an issue' and have to be running up and down the aisle to the closet. I make sure to not invite any potential embarrassing issues.
I can honestly say, with all the flying I've ever done, including international, I can't recall EVER having to go number 2 on an airplane, and I can't imagine, short of catastrophe, ever breaking that streak. AirPORTS, yes, but airplane? Nope.
Ditto. I was a bit nervous on a return flight from Mexico once, but by and large my bowels and I have a very nice working relationship. We're generally on the same page. :tup
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I have one long flight and back every summer. I usually have one beer on the plane on the first drink run by the FA's. We're renting a car in a foreign city and usually driving a bit to our lodgings. But flying back, I'll have three beers. Of course, we usually have a ride meeting us in Boston.
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Here's my question: why does anybody want to get drunk on an airplane? If you're heading to Vegas or NOLA and you want to get an early start on the evening's festivities, I suppose I could kind of see that. Seems to me that there's a finite amount of partying you can do, and I'd rather it be on the ground than in the air, though. But this idiot was flying home. I'd much rather wait until then. One drink I can understand. A bracer, if you will. I don't object so somebody having a bloody mary on an early flight, and I've ordered a beer on an evening flight, but at no point did I have any desire to get all wasted. That's something you do to have fun, and frankly, there's not much fun in flying anymore.
I will never have more than a drink just because I dont wanna break the seal and deal with going to the bathroom.
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I have one long flight and back every summer. I usually have one beer on the plane on the first drink run by the FA's. We're renting a car in a foreign city and usually driving a bit to our lodgings. But flying back, I'll have three beers. Of course, we usually have a ride meeting us in Boston.
You still a nervous-Nelly? I recall you used to be quite spooked by the idea of flying.
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I have one long flight and back every summer. I usually have one beer on the plane on the first drink run by the FA's. We're renting a car in a foreign city and usually driving a bit to our lodgings. But flying back, I'll have three beers. Of course, we usually have a ride meeting us in Boston.
You still a nervous-Nelly? I recall you used to be quite spooked by the idea of flying.
I just like beer! ;D
I still have the PM you sent me many years ago on Flying.
Am I a nervous Nelly? Yeah! I'm dealing with it, and trying to remain confident, but I fucking hate it.
I'm the worse when we are going to the airport to fly home at the end of our vacation. I'm so irritable and grumpy it's not even funny.
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I've only flown once in my life. Fucking hated every minute of it and it was only a 2 hour flight. We hit turbulence too and I thought we were fucking going to crash into a mountain or something.
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I've only flown once in my life. Fucking hated every minute of it and it was only a 2 hour flight. We hit turbulence too and I thought we were fucking going to crash into a mountain or something.
There's 0 chance of ever meeting up with you at a concert in the US then
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I've only flown once in my life. Fucking hated every minute of it and it was only a 2 hour flight. We hit turbulence too and I thought we were fucking going to crash into a mountain or something.
There's 0 chance of ever meeting up with you at a concert in the US then
Hey, if COVID wasn't a thing and I could come over to meet all of you and go to concerts and festivals, I most definitely would take the plunge and jump on a long flight. Where I am in life, it actually was starting to become a possibility as I have leave coming out my ass, but yeah, then COVID happened. For the flight, I'll just get really drunk or take some pills or something haha.
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I've only flown once in my life. Fucking hated every minute of it and it was only a 2 hour flight. We hit turbulence too and I thought we were fucking going to crash into a mountain or something.
There's 0 chance of ever meeting up with you at a concert in the US then
Hey, if COVID wasn't a thing and I could come over to meet all of you and go to concerts and festivals, I most definitely would take the plunge and jump on a long flight. Where I am in life, it actually was starting to become a possibility as I have leave coming out my ass, but yeah, then COVID happened. For the flight, I'll just get really drunk or take some pills or something haha.
:lol I kind of recall you toying with the idea for like Avantasia or something. But didn't realize you weren't much of a flyer. I fly a lot and personally going to Asia or Australia is practically off the table for me because I can't do long flights. At 8 hours is about the most I can handle before I start going crazy.
On a side note, I usually take sleeping pills when flying. I have never found the in flight experience to be enjoyable at all so I'd rather just sleep it off. But those only work for so long.
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I've only flown once in my life. Fucking hated every minute of it and it was only a 2 hour flight. We hit turbulence too and I thought we were fucking going to crash into a mountain or something.
There's 0 chance of ever meeting up with you at a concert in the US then
Hey, if COVID wasn't a thing and I could come over to meet all of you and go to concerts and festivals, I most definitely would take the plunge and jump on a long flight. Where I am in life, it actually was starting to become a possibility as I have leave coming out my ass, but yeah, then COVID happened. For the flight, I'll just get really drunk or take some pills or something haha.
:lol I kind of recall you toying with the idea for like Avantasia or something. But didn't realize you weren't much of a flyer. I fly a lot and personally going to Asia or Australia is practically off the table for me because I can't do long flights. At 8 hours is about the most I can handle before I start going crazy.
On a side note, I usually take sleeping pills when flying. I have never found the in flight experience to be enjoyable at all so I'd rather just sleep it off. But those only work for so long.
YES! Pretty sure it was Avantasia that brought the thinking up mate haha. I'd make the sacrifice for that but it would be a brutal flight.
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I'm sure a trip to the West Coast would be more palatable..but the cool people are on the East Coast. ;D
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I'm sure a trip to the West Coast would be more palatable..but the cool people are on the East Coast. ;D
Why not both? ;D
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Spread the love baby!! :metal
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Sad thing is two years ago it was a real possibility. Now though, it genuinely seems like it will never be possible. :'(
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Seriously. I'm worried about concerts in my own country.
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Here's my question: why does anybody want to get drunk on an airplane? If you're heading to Vegas or NOLA and you want to get an early start on the evening's festivities, I suppose I could kind of see that. Seems to me that there's a finite amount of partying you can do, and I'd rather it be on the ground than in the air, though. But this idiot was flying home. I'd much rather wait until then. One drink I can understand. A bracer, if you will. I don't object so somebody having a bloody mary on an early flight, and I've ordered a beer on an evening flight, but at no point did I have any desire to get all wasted. That's something you do to have fun, and frankly, there's not much fun in flying anymore.
I'll usually only drink alcohol on long haul, but I'll usually stop at maybe one whiskey and a wine with dinner. Getting drunk in a sealed cabin with crappy air quality and air turbulence is not my idea of fun. A lot of short haul carriers in Europe don't even serve alcohol anymore, and you aren't allowed to bring your own stuff on.
I did once fly while (probably) still drunk when I was travelling in Korea, but that was due to bad planning and poor decisions made the night before, and definitely not something I recommend to anyone.
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Here's my question: why does anybody want to get drunk on an airplane? If you're heading to Vegas or NOLA and you want to get an early start on the evening's festivities, I suppose I could kind of see that. Seems to me that there's a finite amount of partying you can do, and I'd rather it be on the ground than in the air, though. But this idiot was flying home. I'd much rather wait until then. One drink I can understand. A bracer, if you will. I don't object so somebody having a bloody mary on an early flight, and I've ordered a beer on an evening flight, but at no point did I have any desire to get all wasted. That's something you do to have fun, and frankly, there's not much fun in flying anymore.
I'm all for partying, generally, but I'm with you on this one. 100%. I DO drink in airports - I actually like sitting in the airport lounge, having a drink or to, and watching people - and I will once in a blue moon have what you call a bracer, but it's not getting drunk.
I'm with ya there. Or just getting a slize of pizza and a beer while in between connecting flights - especially when it's on the company's dime. Back when I had status, and could get 'em free in the lounge, I'd sip back a few with my travelling companions.
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I can honestly say, with all the flying I've ever done, including international, I can't recall EVER having to go number 2 on an airplane, and I can't imagine, short of catastrophe, ever breaking that streak. AirPORTS, yes, but airplane? Nope.
It's a nightmare scenario for me, and it's happened a few times. The walk of shame out while there's a line down the aisle is really tough :lol
Yeah... I think once or twice in my life the call of the wild has been a little to strong to hold back.
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I flew a red-eye home after partying (HARD) at the Calgary Stampede with my employees and customers (back in '08 or '09). That was one of the roughest flights of my life. Driving home at 6am I thought to myself "I'm not sure I should be behind the wheel".
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I've flown with a devastating hangover once, and swore I'd never do it again. Hamburg, back at the hotel around 0100, wolfed down a Royale with cheese and promptly passed out. Up about 5 to ride the S-bahn out to the airport. Remember Air Berlin handed out some kind of pimento cheese sandwiches, that probably would have been pretty good under better circumstances. Sitting in the middle seats, that's probably the closes I've come to hurling on a flight. Capped that off with an absolutely dismal train ride from FCO to Rome. Probably my worst day abroad.
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I have my story too; I stayed up all night drinking in Stockholm, went back to the hotel in daylight, slept with the drapes closed for like 90 minutes, then made the trek to the airport. That was a miserable next 24 hours.
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I have my story too; I stayed up all night drinking in Stockholm, went back to the hotel in daylight
To be fair, that could have been 11 pm depending on the time of year. :P
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I have my story too; I stayed up all night drinking in Stockholm, went back to the hotel in daylight
To be fair, that could have been 11 pm depending on the time of year. :P
HAHA, you're right; it was like 2:00 or 2:30 if memory serves.
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I don't mind a beer or two in the airport before a flight, time allowing. And on the rare occasions I've flown first class I've taken advantage of a free beer or two on the flight, but that's not exactly a regular occurence. I was trying to fly home from Lexington once and my flight's take-off kept on getting pushed back repeatedly. Every time we'd get a new, later departure I'd trudge back to the bar and the bartender would laugh as I ordered a different whiskey. Least annoyed I've ever been at a flight getting delayed :D
I've never flown hungover really, but I did end up taking a bus ride home from Boston to NYC in miserable shape. I was in Boston for a beer festival all day Saturday and got absolutely bombed. Like, walked back to the hotel but made a detour to Wendy's and bought almost $20 worth of food but then also passed out on my bed before I could eat any of it :lol I woke up the next morning feeling terrible, my hotel reservation was through, and I was meant to go spend Sunday with family who live in the area and crash with them before coming home on Monday. I called them and they told me they had all come down with the flu and I'd be better off just going home. Longest 4 hours of my life, I think I was praying for an accident to put me out of my misery by about halfway through :biggrin:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFoXmnBuLw0
Alfredo Rivera for the win!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFoXmnBuLw0
Alfredo Rivera for the win!
He's my hero for today
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I liked when he opened Al Capone's safe.
Seriously, I liked the sound effect when he "wrapped" the guy up. :)
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https://meaww.com/maskless-man-attacks-staff-at-mia-miami-international-airport-being-stopped-boarding-flight
Please scroll down the story and watch the video footage.
Imagine how much fun he would've been once in the air. :yeahright
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That is fucked.
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https://meaww.com/maskless-man-attacks-staff-at-mia-miami-international-airport-being-stopped-boarding-flight
Please scroll down the story and watch the video footage.
Imagine how much fun he would've been once in the air. :yeahright
Wow, there's a lot going on in that video. For one thing, the racist part in the title is pretty suspect. Not only were there no black people in the video1, there's also the whole nigga vs nigger thing going on. In this day and age he's still out of line, I get that, but race was a total non-factor. Context matters.
Next, TSA remains a joke. They're not just a bunch of miserable dork ushers. They're the Transportation SAFETY Authority, or some shit. A tiny percentage of guys at each airport should be willing and able to deal with a drunk, crazy fuck. If you get to wear a badge then you should be higher than the rank of pussy. That just seems fair to me.
Moving on, Silver Jacket Dude was either totally on top of that situation or paralyzed with fear. I'm not sure which. I was watching him and he seemed to be holding his own right up to 28 seconds when I started shouting DEADLY FORCE DEADLY FORCE!. :lol Outside of a "secure" area Drunk Crazy Fuck is probably walking into the light by 32 seconds. Inside of a "secure" area, people probably needed to switch from "where are the police" to "the police ain't commin" and fall back on greater numbers.
I'm not sure what took DCF down, but I think Smokin Joe Frazier might be looking down on Silver Jacket Guy with a great big smile on his face. If he knocked DCF down, that was a left for the ages.
1I believe towards the end that's a TSA agent staying impressively uninvolved. I wouldn't expect her to run up and kick DCF's ass given the lack of support she was likely to receive from the public, but maybe call for help or something? Just recognize, if even for a split second, that you do have some level of involvement in that sort of situation.
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The other thing was DCF rolling up his sleeve bragging on "I'm a fucking Marine"....dude..trust me, the Marine's don't want you representing them like that.
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Update - guy is reportedly a veteran who was having some sort of "mental health" breakdown and had just been seen dragging his girlfriend out of the women's restroom after assaulting her.
https://www.local10.com/news/local/2021/08/28/military-veteran-hospitalized-following-violent-outburst-at-miami-airport/
It couldn't just be this abusive fucking drunk Bluto threw a temper tantrum in public because he's a douche, could it?
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Update - guy is reportedly a veteran who was having some sort of "mental health" breakdown and had just been seen dragging his girlfriend out of the women's restroom after assaulting her.
https://www.local10.com/news/local/2021/08/28/military-veteran-hospitalized-following-violent-outburst-at-miami-airport/
It couldn't just be this abusive fucking drunk Bluto threw a temper tantrum in public because he's a douche, could it?
Well, if we what to be concerned about peoples mental health. Then the answer is no.
We have to send him to a therapist/psychologist and see why he acted out in this way to understand his intent. This could have been the final tipping point for him. People all have separate tipping points of their sanity, to where one little instance or circumstance can send them off the looney end. Especially when the emotion is anger.
Only then would we know for sure that he was just a douche who was an asshole and chose to do this with the intent of causing crap.
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Not for nothing, but "where's the police? where's the police?" while you're filming it - instead of actually CALLING THE POLICE makes little sense to me. I know we all have to go viral and tweet the fuck out of our lives, but at this point we're just creating a stage for this kind of behavior. Most of the benefit of preening and strutting is having someone to see you preen and strut.
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Not for nothing, but "where's the police? where's the police?" while you're filming it - instead of actually CALLING THE POLICE makes little sense to me. I know we all have to go viral and tweet the fuck out of our lives, but at this point we're just creating a stage for this kind of behavior. Most of the benefit of preening and strutting is having someone to see you preen and strut.
It's difficult to see from this angle but I've since seen phone footage from the gate agent's perspective and many folks that worked that gate had been calling the police. I suspect the police were called when the guy was going off on his girlfriend in the women's restroom. So calls of, "Where's the police?" are likely occurring after many minutes of this guy's temper tantrum.
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Not for nothing, but "where's the police? where's the police?" while you're filming it - instead of actually CALLING THE POLICE makes little sense to me. I know we all have to go viral and tweet the fuck out of our lives, but at this point we're just creating a stage for this kind of behavior. Most of the benefit of preening and strutting is having someone to see you preen and strut.
It's difficult to see from this angle but I've since seen phone footage from the gate agent's perspective and many folks that worked that gate had been calling the police. I suspect the police were called when the guy was going off on his girlfriend in the women's restroom. So calls of, "Where's the police?" are likely occurring after many minutes of this guy's temper tantrum.
Oh, got it. So more "what's taking them so long" than anything else. :tup
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Maybe it's time to just stop letting intoxicated people on airplanes? I mean - preferably the pilots, but I have no problem with extending that rule to passengers too.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/video-shows-unruly-passenger-growling-screaming-joe-biden-american-airlines-n1278623
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So the increase in threatened fines and airlines taking legal action do not appear to be making a dent in these incidents.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10139751/American-Airlines-passenger-punched-female-flight-attendant-twice-face-dispute-masks.html
I hope the FA presses charges through civil action on top of the criminal penalties this 'man' is likely facing now.
There are a handful of jobs that I wouldn't consider even if I were down to my last dollar and being a FA right now is one of them.
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I've flown 4 times in the last six weeks, and I've seen nothing but abject boredom. I did notice that FA's have a pantomime for pulling your mask up over your nose, but it was just for a few people who let their masks slide down, and they were fine pulling them back up. Also, with >27k scheduled passenger flights per day in this country, I'd have to say that overall people are behaving themselves pretty well.
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I get that statistically, it is rare. But who the fuck assaults someone for merely doing their job? It isn't like the FAs are the ones making the rules.
I'm sorry, Mr. First Class Passenger, but the rules apply to you too. :yeahright
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I get that statistically, it is rare. But who the fuck assaults someone for merely doing their job? It isn't like the FAs are the ones making the rules.
I'm sorry, Mr. First Class Passenger, but the rules apply to you too. :yeahright
Buddy boy ought to hand in his man card for punching a woman in the face, twice. 10lbs of douche in a 5lb bucket.
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I get that statistically, it is rare. But who the fuck assaults someone for merely doing their job?
Seems a lot of people do these days, granted also statistically rare, but people seem to take their rage out on people doing their jobs an awful lot.
Buddy boy ought to hand in his man card for punching a woman in the face, twice. 10lbs of douche in a 5lb bucket.
Yeah, that makes things much worse too. What a terrible person.
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I'm overweight. I know it. I try not to upset those next to me by picking the outside seat and put the arm up on the outside so I don't crush the person next to me.
This f'ing young bitch huffs when she sees me, lies to the stewardess and asks if there is a seat with no window. (I know she's lying) hits me and yells out irritated. "Do you mind?"
I give her a death stare and say, "You don't want to sit next to a fat guy and I don't want to sit next to a bitch but here we are " How this goes during the flight depends on how much you keep to yourself.
Bullying a bully always makes them back off.
BTW, I twisted myself for her not to crowd her and wrenched my back. Didn't let her know that at all because I'm to blame. Unlike her, I just wanted to be pleasant to each other.
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Did she respond to your comment?
That fucking sucks, and I'm sorry that happened to you. Why can't people just show a little compassion and be kind? I'd wager not many people who fly commercial actually enjoy flying. So can't we just be polite until we get to where we are going?
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I'm overweight. I know it. I try not to upset those next to me by picking the outside seat and put the arm up on the outside so I don't crush the person next to me.
This f'ing young bitch huffs when she sees me, lies to the stewardess and asks if there is a seat with no window. (I know she's lying) hits me and yells out irritated. "Do you mind?"
I give her a death stare and say, "You don't want to sit next to a fat guy and I don't want to sit next to a bitch but here we are " How this goes during the flight depends on how much you keep to yourself.
Bullying a bully always makes them back off.
BTW, I twisted myself for her not to crowd her and wrenched my back. Didn't let her know that at all because I'm to blame. Unlike her, I just wanted to be pleasant to each other.
Love this.
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When someone is rude they think that you won't push back. A sentence can wipe out all they would say and do.
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I'm overweight. I know it. I try not to upset those next to me by picking the outside seat and put the arm up on the outside so I don't crush the person next to me.
This f'ing young bitch huffs when she sees me, lies to the stewardess and asks if there is a seat with no window. (I know she's lying) hits me and yells out irritated. "Do you mind?"
I give her a death stare and say, "You don't want to sit next to a fat guy and I don't want to sit next to a bitch but here we are " How this goes during the flight depends on how much you keep to yourself.
Bullying a bully always makes them back off.
BTW, I twisted myself for her not to crowd her and wrenched my back. Didn't let her know that at all because I'm to blame. Unlike her, I just wanted to be pleasant to each other.
Love this.
Joe ... I read that in your absolutely lovingly calm and respectful voice, with just a twinge of "piss the fuck off, you cunt".
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Exactly how I said it. Like a dad scolding a child. The look on her face was worth it all.
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Joe, I read everything in your voice. Makes classic literature very fun.
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Lol. It wasn't at the time and I had in my had so much more in my head. Lucky forcme, I composed myself and only used the word bitch.