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Title: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: bosk1 on July 13, 2021, 09:01:21 AM
For those who may not know, Dream Theater announced a little while back that they would be re-releasing its Ytsejam Records "official bootleg" collection, as well as releasing new material, through their newly-launched "Lost Not Forgotten" archives.  The discussion over what has been released, what is going to be released, and where to buy it has been a bit confusing, so I am starting a new thread to hopefully keep it simple and help people find what they are looking for.  I will do my best to keep this updated. 

This first post will continue to be modified to list all available and upcoming releases as soon as information is released.

From the band:

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Ytsejam Records previously played host to Dream Theater’s official bootleg release collection comprising of live shows, demos & studio outtakes from throughout the band’s prolific career. As part of the ‘Lost Not Forgotten Archives’, the entirety of the collection will be reissued on CD, as well as for the very first time on vinyl and digital, with brand new artwork and packaging. The band have also been busy digging into their encyclopedic vault to find some very special, previously unreleased material.  The first brand new release in the reinvigorated archival series will be a recording of the band’s start-to-finish performance of their classic second ever studio album, ‘Images & Words’, taken from their performance at Tokyo, Japan’s legendary Budokan venue in September of 2017.

Following this inaugural ‘Lost Not Forgotten Archives’ release, the extensive back catalogue of Ytsejam Records offerings will start to be reissued throughout the next several years.  Plenty more previously unreleased material will get its initial publication, presenting an absolute treasure trove of Dream Theater music for fans both old and new to explore.

Get official information, purchase links, and autographed, limited edition vinyl here: 
https://lostnotforgottenarchives.dreamtheater.net/
https://dreamtheater.net/lnfa/?fbclid=IwAR1GqRn4SadhTG-TpIURSJ4qGR_HNmqKULIvkVHnO89jl7ih6ME-gd9xBWU

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List of releases so far:

-Images and Words, Live in Japan, 2017 (currently available)
     Description:  Images and Words set only from the Budokan show in September 2017.  This is a new release that has never before been available.

-A Dramatic Tour of Events (available)
     Description: Selected board mixes of songs from the 2011/2012 tour; previously released for download as a holiday fan release.  Not otherwise previously available.

-Train of Thought Instrumental Demos (available)
     Description:  Instrumental studio demo tracks from the recording of Dream Theater’s 2003 release, “Train of Thought,” remastered and re-released.  This was a prior Ytsejam release.

-Master of Puppets - Live in Barcelona, 2002  (available)
     Description:  I live rendition of Metallica's classic album, Master of Puppets.  This was a prior Ytsejam release.

-When Dream and Day Reunite  (available)
     Description:  Live performance of Dream Theater's debut album, along with bonus content and special guests.  This was a prior Ytsejam release.  Note:  This is available in audio only.  Video format (DVD/BluRay) has not been rereleased. 

-The Majesty Demos, 1985-1986  (available)
     Description:  Demos and rarities from the band's early days before their first album.  Previously a Ytsejam release.

-Awake Demos  (available)
     Description:  Demos from Dream Theater's third album.  Previously a Ytsejam release.

-Live in NYC 1993  (available)
     Description:  Live audio from Dream Theater's 3/4/93 New York City show.  Previously a Ytsejam release.

-...And Beyond - Live in Japan 2017  (available)
     Description:  The other half (first set) of the Budokan show in September 2017.  This is a new release that has never before been available.  Note:  Neither the Images and Words Live release nor this one contain A Change of Seasons from that show, which has not yet been released.

-Falling Into Infinity Demos  (available)
     Description:  Demos from Dream Theater's fourth studio album, including rarities that did not make the album.  Previously a Ytsejam release.

-The Number of the Beast  (available for preorder)
     Description:  Live rendition of Iron Maiden's classic album.  Previously available as a Ytsejam release.




UNOFFICIAL great place to track down CD and non-signed vinyl:  https://www.lasercd.com/search_results?fulltext=dream%20theater%20lost%20not%20forgotten
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: bosk1 on July 13, 2021, 09:01:52 AM
Old thread and discussion here:  https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56170.0
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on July 13, 2021, 10:11:50 AM
Subbed :tup

Can't wait to see some more of the new offerings for this series. Also, I wonder if they'll keep the 1 release per month rule even in the DT15 release month.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Skeever on July 13, 2021, 10:59:49 AM
Am I missing something? Are these all $250 deluxe packages, or can you just by the MP3 versions somewhere?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: bosk1 on July 13, 2021, 11:12:20 AM
Good question!  From what I understand:  The limited edition vinyls offered on the band's official site are the $250 deluxe packages.  CD only (and, I think, vinyl only) editions are available much cheaper through other vendors, such as www.lazercd.com, which I linked at the end of that post.  I do not believe there are mp3 or other downloadable versions. 
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: devieira73 on July 13, 2021, 11:19:45 AM
Am I missing something? Are these all $250 deluxe packages, or can you just by the MP3 versions somewhere?
It’s not mp3, but it’s selling on itunes store.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Skeever on July 13, 2021, 11:26:16 AM
Good question!  From what I understand:  The limited edition vinyls offered on the band's official site are the $250 deluxe packages.  CD only (and, I think, vinyl only) editions are available much cheaper through other vendors, such as www.lazercd.com, which I linked at the end of that post.  I do not believe there are mp3 or other downloadable versions.

I did a bit more digging. It appears you are right. The website only has the deluxe packages. I was able to find many more purchase options on the official century media/inside out stores: https://centurymedia.store/dept/dream-theater?cp=102832_103046_104294

Not sure about digital only additions. I think I saw some on iTunes. Nothing on bandcamp.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: devieira73 on July 13, 2021, 11:50:30 AM
All LNFA releases are on itunes :tup
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on July 13, 2021, 07:55:29 PM
And available at Amazon.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Wim Kruithof on July 14, 2021, 12:10:06 PM
I keep on thinking... to me - althought on some albums he is outstanding - LaBrie has always been the least talented of Dream Theater. But I can't figure out why they start the archives-series with LaBrie singing this bad on both Take the Time and Surrounded. I usually keep him high but no matter how hard I try, this is truly a bad performance. Re-releasing bootlegs on vinyl is something you want full attention on, I would say, both as Dream Theater and as InsideOut. But was'nt there a live recording available with him reaching his high notes, out there, somewere?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Peter Mc on July 14, 2021, 01:47:01 PM
A bootleg is likely not going to be perfect.  This is also a full performance of I&W, do they have old bootlegs of that when JLB could hit all the notes?  Finally this was already in the can so to speak as it was a televised performance so they could just lift the audio without needing to do much work.

For an official bootleg, this sounds perfectly fine to me.  If it was an official live album then maybe I’d like a slightly better sound quality and production level but it is what it is.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on July 14, 2021, 01:54:29 PM
But I can't figure out why they start the archives-series with LaBrie singing this bad

Didn't they start the Ytsejam series with the LA '98 show? James was horrid on that.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Wim Kruithof on July 15, 2021, 06:25:31 AM
A bootleg is likely not going to be perfect.  This is also a full performance of I&W, do they have old bootlegs of that when JLB could hit all the notes?  Finally this was already in the can so to speak as it was a televised performance so they could just lift the audio without needing to do much work.

For an official bootleg, this sounds perfectly fine to me.  If it was an official live album then maybe I’d like a slightly better sound quality and production level but it is what it is.

You're probably right. I never heard bootlegs before 'cause I especially focused on the studio- and livealbums. So I had to get used to it a little longer. And - with many archives to come - I will... soon enough.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on July 15, 2021, 10:00:09 AM
So I listened to I&W: Japan this morning in the car, and... I don't get what the fuss is.  James isn't spot on, and there are a couple of choices I'm not sure I'm down with, but that's not the worst I've heard him, and not the worst live album (vocally) I've ever heard.  Couple that with the fact that the band itself sounds really good, and I'm giving it high marks (for what it is). 
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on July 15, 2021, 10:40:16 AM
A bootleg is likely not going to be perfect.  This is also a full performance of I&W, do they have old bootlegs of that when JLB could hit all the notes? 

Yes. It was released exclusively for the fan club for the 15th anniversary of I&W. Ironically, you can now find high quality bootlegs of the bootleg for a reasonable price. I believe they did the full album only a handful of times on that tour.

Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Wim Kruithof on July 15, 2021, 12:22:13 PM
So I listened to I&W: Japan this morning in the car, and... I don't get what the fuss is.  James isn't spot on, and there are a couple of choices I'm not sure I'm down with, but that's not the worst I've heard him, and not the worst live album (vocally) I've ever heard.  Couple that with the fact that the band itself sounds really good, and I'm giving it high marks (for what it is).

There is'nt any fuss about the high marks for my sake, I really like the album, the band sounds great. It is just what it is and I think LaBrie can handle my critism...  ;)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on July 15, 2021, 12:26:25 PM
So I listened to I&W: Japan this morning in the car, and... I don't get what the fuss is.  James isn't spot on, and there are a couple of choices I'm not sure I'm down with, but that's not the worst I've heard him, and not the worst live album (vocally) I've ever heard.  Couple that with the fact that the band itself sounds really good, and I'm giving it high marks (for what it is).

There is'nt any fuss about the high marks for my sake, I really like the album, the band sounds great. It is just what it is and I think LaBrie can handle my critism...  ;)

I'm with you. That version of TTT would be one of the best they've released officially because I really like the jam at the end with the Glasgow Kiss section and all... BUT James' performance isn't too good there.

Having said that, considering it was a whole tour doing a very long set with the 2nd half being IAW entirely, I think James did good.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Wim Kruithof on July 15, 2021, 12:49:08 PM
Having said that, considering it was a whole tour doing a very long set with the 2nd half being IAW entirely, I think James did good.

He did. It's a funny fact that the first LNF archive is the 2017 I&W Tour, which was the first time I actually have seen them (Tilburg, Netherlands). I've met Dream Theater 28 years too late, in my opinion.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TheRich13 on July 20, 2021, 09:37:34 AM
I just received my vinyl of the LNFA Images & Words 2017 from Revolver . I ordered the Cobalt Blue version, it is sealed of course and it doesn’t say anywhere that it is in fact the blue one and I’m hesitant to open it .. anyone know for sure if it is the blue one ?? Thanks !
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on July 20, 2021, 09:39:52 AM
I just received my vinyl of the LNFA Images & Words 2017 from Revolver . I ordered the Cobalt Blue version, it is sealed of course and it doesn’t say anywhere that it is in fact the blue one and I’m hesitant to open it .. anyone know for sure if it is the blue one ?? Thanks !

Perhaps I'm missing something obvious, but how would anyone here know what's inside, and why wouldn't you open it?  You kinda have to open it to play it, right?

In any event, until and unless you open it, you have Schrödinger's Record.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TheRich13 on July 20, 2021, 09:44:19 AM
Figured if anyone else got theirs from Revolver and it was the blue version they could say …
I guess I’ll open it …
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 20, 2021, 09:49:33 AM
Well?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on July 20, 2021, 10:18:20 AM
I just received my vinyl of the LNFA Images & Words 2017 from Revolver . I ordered the Cobalt Blue version, it is sealed of course and it doesn’t say anywhere that it is in fact the blue one and I’m hesitant to open it .. anyone know for sure if it is the blue one ?? Thanks !

Perhaps I'm missing something obvious, but how would anyone here know what's inside, and why wouldn't you open it?  You kinda have to open it to play it, right?

In any event, until and unless you open it, you have Schrödinger's Record.

HAHA.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Dublagent66 on July 20, 2021, 10:21:46 AM
Am I missing something? Are these all $250 deluxe packages, or can you just by the MP3 versions somewhere?
It’s not mp3, but it’s selling on itunes store.

That's all I needed to know.  :tup
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Wim Kruithof on July 20, 2021, 02:47:49 PM
less then a week and the next vinyl of the LNF archives will be delivered at my door. I am curious what it would be.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on July 23, 2021, 07:18:14 AM
So the next one to be released (Sept 14) is the Master of Puppets cover from Barcelona 2002.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Max Kuehnau on July 23, 2021, 07:21:41 AM
So the next one to be released (Sept 14) is the Master of Puppets cover from Barcelona 2002.
no, the TOT demos will be released before that, but yes, Master Of Puppets will be reissued. (which I'm sure will delight some of us here, both of them)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on July 23, 2021, 08:03:49 AM
So the next one to be released (Sept 14) is the Master of Puppets cover from Barcelona 2002.
no, the TOT demos will be released before that, but yes, Master Of Puppets will be reissued. (which I'm sure will delight some of us here, both of them)

That’s what I meant. The next one that has been announced.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Wim Kruithof on July 23, 2021, 12:09:13 PM
So the next one to be released (Sept 14) is the Master of Puppets cover from Barcelona 2002.

seriously, wow I truly hoped that would happen someday. Master of Puppets got me in back then… Right now LNFA 2 vinyl is spinning, wat a nice re-release…
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Nel on July 23, 2021, 12:31:28 PM
So I'm just kind of buying these as a fan and didn't really pay attention to the tracklistings or anything, but I just bought the Dramatic Tour one that came out today and... was surprised that no songs from ADTOE were on an album of the tour named after that. Not a complaint, just kind of amused.

But Master of Puppets rerelease? I'm all for that. Finally being able to get the Ytse Jam bootlegs at an affordable price is fantastic.

Just kind of wish every cover wasn't a kaleidoscope. It'll be weird in like a year or two when I boot up my music library and there's a bunch of kaleidoscope covers in the middle of the DT section. Doesn't aesthetically please me that much.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Wim Kruithof on July 23, 2021, 12:43:58 PM
was surprised that no songs from ADTOE were on an album of the tour named after that. Not a complaint, just kind of amused.

Me too! Too bad thought, would have loved it when Bridges, Outcry or Breaking all Illusions was on the album. But my first live Count of Tuscany makes it all fine to me.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on July 23, 2021, 12:47:17 PM
So I'm just kind of buying these as a fan and didn't really pay attention to the tracklistings or anything, but I just bought the Dramatic Tour one that came out today and... was surprised that no songs from ADTOE were on an album of the tour named after that. Not a complaint, just kind of amused.

The original idea for this release (Happy Holidays) was to give fans a live version of every track played on the ADTOE tour that wasn't included in the setlist for LALP. Since they played the whole ADTOE at Luna Park, there's no songs from that album here. These are the other songs they played live in 2011-2012.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Nel on July 23, 2021, 12:52:15 PM
So I'm just kind of buying these as a fan and didn't really pay attention to the tracklistings or anything, but I just bought the Dramatic Tour one that came out today and... was surprised that no songs from ADTOE were on an album of the tour named after that. Not a complaint, just kind of amused.

The original idea for this release (Happy Holidays) was to give fans a live version of every track played on the ADTOE tour that wasn't included in the setlist for LALP. Since they played the whole ADTOE at Luna Park, there's no songs from that album here. These are the other songs they played live in 2011-2012.

Makes sense. I kind of figured it was something like that when I saw "To Live Forever" on there. So this is almost like a companion piece to Luna Park? Works for me; I love that live album.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: geeeemo on July 23, 2021, 01:20:53 PM
Have been listening to the the new release ADToE Archives...2 songs in and... :metal.  A great add for my workouts - live is best!! (for me) :biggrin:
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on July 23, 2021, 01:33:59 PM
So I'm just kind of buying these as a fan and didn't really pay attention to the tracklistings or anything, but I just bought the Dramatic Tour one that came out today and... was surprised that no songs from ADTOE were on an album of the tour named after that. Not a complaint, just kind of amused.

The original idea for this release (Happy Holidays) was to give fans a live version of every track played on the ADTOE tour that wasn't included in the setlist for LALP. Since they played the whole ADTOE at Luna Park, there's no songs from that album here. These are the other songs they played live in 2011-2012.

Makes sense. I kind of figured it was something like that when I saw "To Live Forever" on there. So this is almost like a companion piece to Luna Park? Works for me; I love that live album.

Yeah, you could say that :tup :metal
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Another_Won on July 23, 2021, 01:51:13 PM
*snip

Just kind of wish every cover wasn't a kaleidoscope. It'll be weird in like a year or two when I boot up my music library and there's a bunch of kaleidoscope covers in the middle of the DT section. Doesn't aesthetically please me that much.
I wasn't keen on the kaleidoscope either at first, but it's like a theme.  The Ytsejam releases also had their theme.  So it makes sense, in a way.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on July 23, 2021, 03:41:28 PM
So I'm just kind of buying these as a fan and didn't really pay attention to the tracklistings or anything, but I just bought the Dramatic Tour one that came out today and... was surprised that no songs from ADTOE were on an album of the tour named after that. Not a complaint, just kind of amused.

The original idea for this release (Happy Holidays) was to give fans a live version of every track played on the ADTOE tour that wasn't included in the setlist for LALP. Since they played the whole ADTOE at Luna Park, there's no songs from that album here. These are the other songs they played live in 2011-2012.

Would have been nice for some liner notes to explain that.

*snip

Just kind of wish every cover wasn't a kaleidoscope. It'll be weird in like a year or two when I boot up my music library and there's a bunch of kaleidoscope covers in the middle of the DT section. Doesn't aesthetically please me that much.
I wasn't keen on the kaleidoscope either at first, but it's like a theme.  The Ytsejam releases also had their theme.  So it makes sense, in a way.

I don't mind the theme but it seems a bit silly not to at least have a picture of the original cover art they're referring to on the inside. What's going to happen when they start releasing new stuff? They have a kaleidoscope theme for a cover nobody has ever seen?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on July 23, 2021, 04:57:41 PM
What's going to happen when they start releasing new stuff? They have a kaleidoscope theme for a cover nobody has ever seen?
That or other band shots like they did for IaW2017.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on July 24, 2021, 04:54:51 AM
I don't mind the kaleidoscope, but it would be nice to have even a sentence or two about the releases.  SOME insight. 
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Another_Won on July 24, 2021, 08:03:53 AM


*snip

Just kind of wish every cover wasn't a kaleidoscope. It'll be weird in like a year or two when I boot up my music library and there's a bunch of kaleidoscope covers in the middle of the DT section. Doesn't aesthetically please me that much.
I wasn't keen on the kaleidoscope either at first, but it's like a theme.  The Ytsejam releases also had their theme.  So it makes sense, in a way.

I don't mind the theme but it seems a bit silly not to at least have a picture of the original cover art they're referring to on the inside. What's going to happen when they start releasing new stuff? They have a kaleidoscope theme for a cover nobody has ever seen?
I agree.  They should have a picture of the original included somewhere.  The first couple were ok because it was clear what the original was, but I'm not sure about the TOT release.  It's not the cover of the album, is it?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: lucasembarbosa on July 24, 2021, 01:40:33 PM


*snip

Just kind of wish every cover wasn't a kaleidoscope. It'll be weird in like a year or two when I boot up my music library and there's a bunch of kaleidoscope covers in the middle of the DT section. Doesn't aesthetically please me that much.
I wasn't keen on the kaleidoscope either at first, but it's like a theme.  The Ytsejam releases also had their theme.  So it makes sense, in a way.

I don't mind the theme but it seems a bit silly not to at least have a picture of the original cover art they're referring to on the inside. What's going to happen when they start releasing new stuff? They have a kaleidoscope theme for a cover nobody has ever seen?
I agree.  They should have a picture of the original included somewhere.  The first couple were ok because it was clear what the original was, but I'm not sure about the TOT release.  It's not the cover of the album, is it?

It's one of the inlay pictures:

(https://i1.wp.com/dreamtheater.club/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/86849Ak-e1454451470905.jpg?resize=204%2C300&ssl=1)

EDIT: It's not the same image, but really close to it
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on July 24, 2021, 02:25:13 PM
I don't mind the theme but it seems a bit silly not to at least have a picture of the original cover art they're referring to on the inside. What's going to happen when they start releasing new stuff? They have a kaleidoscope theme for a cover nobody has ever seen?
I agree.  They should have a picture of the original included somewhere.  The first couple were ok because it was clear what the original was, but I'm not sure about the TOT release.  It's not the cover of the album, is it?
I gotta wonder if it might be inside the jacket. For anyone who's already gotten the first couple of releases, are there any liner notes and images like the old Ytsejam Records releases, or is it just bare bones basic with copyright info and other necessary stuff? That's one of the things I'm most curious about regarding LNFA (both the reissues and new releases).
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MinistroRaven on July 24, 2021, 07:35:34 PM
I don't mind the theme but it seems a bit silly not to at least have a picture of the original cover art they're referring to on the inside. What's going to happen when they start releasing new stuff? They have a kaleidoscope theme for a cover nobody has ever seen?
I agree.  They should have a picture of the original included somewhere.  The first couple were ok because it was clear what the original was, but I'm not sure about the TOT release.  It's not the cover of the album, is it?
I gotta wonder if it might be inside the jacket. For anyone who's already gotten the first couple of releases, are there any liner notes and images like the old Ytsejam Records releases, or is it just bare bones basic with copyright info and other necessary stuff? That's one of the things I'm most curious about regarding LNFA (both the reissues and new releases).

I read somewhere that there´s nothing inside it was all black, no liner notes, nothing.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on July 24, 2021, 09:02:56 PM
They probably didn't want run in an issue like what happened between Roger and David with the upcoming Animals release. 
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on July 25, 2021, 08:12:26 AM
I don't mind the theme but it seems a bit silly not to at least have a picture of the original cover art they're referring to on the inside. What's going to happen when they start releasing new stuff? They have a kaleidoscope theme for a cover nobody has ever seen?
I agree.  They should have a picture of the original included somewhere.  The first couple were ok because it was clear what the original was, but I'm not sure about the TOT release.  It's not the cover of the album, is it?
I gotta wonder if it might be inside the jacket. For anyone who's already gotten the first couple of releases, are there any liner notes and images like the old Ytsejam Records releases, or is it just bare bones basic with copyright info and other necessary stuff? That's one of the things I'm most curious about regarding LNFA (both the reissues and new releases).

I have the I&W: Tokyo and the ADTOE Soundboards, and there is only bones copyright info, band members, and "necessary stuff".  I'm not even sure the I&W: Tokyo had the specific date of the show.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on July 25, 2021, 09:05:02 AM
I don't mind the theme but it seems a bit silly not to at least have a picture of the original cover art they're referring to on the inside. What's going to happen when they start releasing new stuff? They have a kaleidoscope theme for a cover nobody has ever seen?
I agree.  They should have a picture of the original included somewhere.  The first couple were ok because it was clear what the original was, but I'm not sure about the TOT release.  It's not the cover of the album, is it?
I gotta wonder if it might be inside the jacket. For anyone who's already gotten the first couple of releases, are there any liner notes and images like the old Ytsejam Records releases, or is it just bare bones basic with copyright info and other necessary stuff? That's one of the things I'm most curious about regarding LNFA (both the reissues and new releases).

I have the I&W: Tokyo and the ADTOE Soundboards, and there is only bones copyright info, band members, and "necessary stuff".  I'm not even sure the I&W: Tokyo had the specific date of the show.

I have both as well, but even though my copy of ADTOE Happy Holidays 2013 soundboards hasn't been opened yet (though I got it on Thursday). It's kind of sad that these are such bare bones releases, and I'm curious to see how much better the "remastered" re-releases will sound, especially the live stuff, which I don't even listen to all that much so I'm not sure I feel inclined to re-buy anything I already own, especially without any of Mike's original liner notes (which provide some great commentary of the product).

I wonder how often we will see NEW material being released through the LNF Archives, or if they will be remastering/re-releasing stuff for quite a while, considering how many YtseJam Records releases there were. And will it just be the audio releases, or might they re-release some of the old videos as well? I also wouldn't mind new concert videos.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Nel on July 25, 2021, 09:35:39 AM
At the very least, getting some background information would have explained why this new release has such a Christmas-y cover. I completely forgot about that Happy Holidays existed.  :lol I just realized that pile of FLAC files has been sitting in my external hard drive for darn near 6/7 years.

Now I kind of wish they had just used that old album cover but maybe repurposed the DT logo into the snow or something. I would have recognized exactly what I was buying if I had seen that.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ytserush on July 26, 2021, 05:18:27 PM
So the next one to be released (Sept 14) is the Master of Puppets cover from Barcelona 2002.

Any different from the official bootleg? Remaster? Remix? I don't think new art is going to be enough to get me to buy into this one.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on July 26, 2021, 06:21:41 PM
So the next one to be released (Sept 14) is the Master of Puppets cover from Barcelona 2002.

Any different from the official bootleg? Remaster? Remix? I don't think new art is going to be enough to get me to buy into this one.

They are all remastered, apparently.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on July 26, 2021, 06:35:10 PM
So the next one to be released (Sept 14) is the Master of Puppets cover from Barcelona 2002.

Any different from the official bootleg? Remaster? Remix? I don't think new art is going to be enough to get me to buy into this one.

They are all remastered, apparently.

Has anyone done an A/B comparison between Happy Holidays 2013 and LFNA #2 A Dramatic Tour Of Events?

If the remastering isn't that much of an improvement, it'll save me tons of money from re-buying anything they already released under the YtseJam Recrods label.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on July 26, 2021, 08:41:31 PM
So the next one to be released (Sept 14) is the Master of Puppets cover from Barcelona 2002.

Any different from the official bootleg? Remaster? Remix? I don't think new art is going to be enough to get me to buy into this one.

They are all remastered, apparently.

Has anyone done an A/B comparison between Happy Holidays 2013 and LFNA #2 A Dramatic Tour Of Events?

If the remastering isn't that much of an improvement, it'll save me tons of money from re-buying anything they already released under the YtseJam Recrods label.

-Marc.

I haven't but I did have a listen. I'm no audiophile and I was just in my car but I couldn't tell any difference. I'm still glad I have it because I still do physical media and will never stop.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on July 27, 2021, 06:10:25 AM
I’m no audiophile. And I’m not into vinyl. I only listen to music digitally now, mostly Spotify and Waterfall.  If it’s a band I want to to support more, I’ll buy it in iTunes.  I’m happy that they are putting stuff out in a digital format. Hell, if they just rereleased all of the old Ytsejam bootlegs digitally, I’d be cool with that.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Wim Kruithof on July 27, 2021, 08:37:55 AM
I'm still glad I have it because I still do physical media and will never stop.

This. Dream Theater is the pearl of my living room, next to the vinylplayer and my Epiphone. In time, I hope to collect every album on vinyl they ever officially brought out. Eightteen so far...
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: wolfking on July 28, 2021, 06:28:38 AM
I saw the I&W live in Japan 2017 in store on the weekend but thought I'd check it out first.  Holy hell this is bad.  I love James and his performances I never really have an issue with but Jesus, I feel for him on this one.  You can hear him just dying in certain parts.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 28, 2021, 07:22:18 AM
I saw the I&W live in Japan 2017 in store on the weekend but thought I'd check it out first.  Holy hell this is bad.  I love James and his performances I never really have an issue with but Jesus, I feel for him on this one.  You can hear him just dying in certain parts.

The only part I consider sort of meh is Take The Time, which is shown why they haven't played that song.

I don't blame JLB either. His vocals are not the same as those Images and Words Days. This tour was also an immense tour and I am sure JLB really struggled to keep his voice in tip-top shape. This was a demanding tour for JLB.

Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: wolfking on July 28, 2021, 03:16:33 PM
I saw the I&W live in Japan 2017 in store on the weekend but thought I'd check it out first.  Holy hell this is bad.  I love James and his performances I never really have an issue with but Jesus, I feel for him on this one.  You can hear him just dying in certain parts.

The only part I consider sort of meh is Take The Time, which is shown why they haven't played that song.

I don't blame JLB either. His vocals are not the same as those Images and Words Days. This tour was also an immense tour and I am sure JLB really struggled to keep his voice in tip-top shape. This was a demanding tour for JLB.

They shouldn't have done it IMO.  For James to go through this and sound how he does here, it wasn't worth it.  At least change the keys of the songs significantly to help him.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on July 28, 2021, 03:52:03 PM
I saw the I&W live in Japan 2017 in store on the weekend but thought I'd check it out first.  Holy hell this is bad.  I love James and his performances I never really have an issue with but Jesus, I feel for him on this one.  You can hear him just dying in certain parts.

The only part I consider sort of meh is Take The Time, which is shown why they haven't played that song.

I don't blame JLB either. His vocals are not the same as those Images and Words Days. This tour was also an immense tour and I am sure JLB really struggled to keep his voice in tip-top shape. This was a demanding tour for JLB.

They shouldn't have done it IMO.  For James to go through this and sound how he does here, it wasn't worth it.  At least change the keys of the songs significantly to help him.
Well, they already tuned everything from IaW (aside from WFS) down a half-step - I think tuning it down more would probably making it sounds like sludge. The other thing that would've probably been the wiser choice is just to skip over that one troublesome section like they did while MP was still in the band (which they had been doing since 2007, aside from the 5 times they played IaW in full to celebrate the 15th anniversary). I don't think there would've been any harm in doing that.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on July 28, 2021, 04:08:14 PM
I saw the I&W live in Japan 2017 in store on the weekend but thought I'd check it out first.  Holy hell this is bad.  I love James and his performances I never really have an issue with but Jesus, I feel for him on this one.  You can hear him just dying in certain parts.

The only part I consider sort of meh is Take The Time, which is shown why they haven't played that song.

I don't blame JLB either. His vocals are not the same as those Images and Words Days. This tour was also an immense tour and I am sure JLB really struggled to keep his voice in tip-top shape. This was a demanding tour for JLB.

They shouldn't have done it IMO.  For James to go through this and sound how he does here, it wasn't worth it.  At least change the keys of the songs significantly to help him.
Well, they already tuned everything from IaW (aside from WFS) down a half-step - I think tuning it down more would probably making it sounds like sludge. The other thing that would've probably been the wiser choice is just to skip over that one troublesome section like they did while MP was still in the band (which they had been doing since 2007, aside from the 5 times they played IaW in full to celebrate the 15th anniversary). I don't think there would've been any harm in doing that.

Song makes no sense without that section. The verses are about

- I need to take the time
- Here's how I will take the time
- Here's how I took the time even though it was hard
- Here's what it's like now that I took the Time

You can't reflect on something you never did and the music reflects that. The absurdly high JP verse takes all the energy built up in the song and pays it off.

LaBrie couldn't sing anything that tour and he modified the melody in that verse to be something more reasonable. His voice was shredded and couldn't be saved. Just had to roll with it. Why make a centerpiece of the set worse to fight the inevitable?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: wolfking on July 28, 2021, 04:20:47 PM
I saw the I&W live in Japan 2017 in store on the weekend but thought I'd check it out first.  Holy hell this is bad.  I love James and his performances I never really have an issue with but Jesus, I feel for him on this one.  You can hear him just dying in certain parts.

The only part I consider sort of meh is Take The Time, which is shown why they haven't played that song.

I don't blame JLB either. His vocals are not the same as those Images and Words Days. This tour was also an immense tour and I am sure JLB really struggled to keep his voice in tip-top shape. This was a demanding tour for JLB.

They shouldn't have done it IMO.  For James to go through this and sound how he does here, it wasn't worth it.  At least change the keys of the songs significantly to help him.
Well, they already tuned everything from IaW (aside from WFS) down a half-step - I think tuning it down more would probably making it sounds like sludge. The other thing that would've probably been the wiser choice is just to skip over that one troublesome section like they did while MP was still in the band (which they had been doing since 2007, aside from the 5 times they played IaW in full to celebrate the 15th anniversary). I don't think there would've been any harm in doing that.

I thought from listening it might have been down half a step.

I don't know, but I find James pretty awful through the whole thing truthfully.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on July 28, 2021, 07:33:47 PM
You can't reflect on something you never did and the music reflects that. The absurdly high JP verse takes all the energy built up in the song and pays it off.

LaBrie couldn't sing anything that tour and he modified the melody in that verse to be something more reasonable. His voice was shredded and couldn't be saved. Just had to roll with it. Why make a centerpiece of the set worse to fight the inevitable?
I don't think worry about the lyrics not making complete sense is a huge problem in the live setting. I doubt anyone in the audience is gonna say "hey - they skipped a section! Now the song lyrics make no sense!" As is clearly evident from this discussion, there's more of a focus on his performance. So if skipping a particularly difficult part will save him a bit of struggle, then why not skip it?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: wolfking on July 28, 2021, 07:39:57 PM
You can't reflect on something you never did and the music reflects that. The absurdly high JP verse takes all the energy built up in the song and pays it off.

LaBrie couldn't sing anything that tour and he modified the melody in that verse to be something more reasonable. His voice was shredded and couldn't be saved. Just had to roll with it. Why make a centerpiece of the set worse to fight the inevitable?
I don't think worry about the lyrics not making complete sense is a huge problem in the live setting. I doubt anyone in the audience is gonna say "hey - they skipped a section! Now the song lyrics make no sense!" As is clearly evident from this discussion, there's more of a focus on his performance. So if skipping a particularly difficult part will save him a bit of struggle, then why not skip it?

If it were only that section he struggled with then I'd agree.  Based on this, you'd cut multiple sections on most of the songs.  He changes the phrasing on some parts which is fine.  He should have done that more.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Wim Kruithof on July 29, 2021, 12:45:22 AM
I wonder, is there a list out there somehow of the bootlegs which were released by YtsjeJam? Then I might have a clue of which bootlegs will be rereleased by InsideOut.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on July 29, 2021, 06:42:49 AM
I wonder, is there a list out there somehow of the bootlegs which were released by YtsjeJam? Then I might have a clue of which bootlegs will be rereleased by InsideOut.
List of Ytsejam Products

DEMO SERIES
The Majesty Demos 1985-1986
When Dream and Day Unite Demos 1987-1989
Images and Words Demos 1989-1991
Awake Demos 1994
Falling Into Infinity Demos 1996-1997
Train of Though Instrumental Demos 2003

STUDIO SERIES
The Making of Falling Into Infinity
The Making of Scenes From a Memory

LIVE SERIES
New York City 3/4/93
Tokyo, Japan 10/28/95
Old Bridge, New Jersey 12/14/96
Los Angeles, California 5/18/98
Romania, Bucharest 7/4/02 (DVD only)
When Dream and Day Reunite
Santiago, Chile 12/6/05 (DVD only)

COVER SERIES
Master of Puppets
The Number of the Beast
The Dark Side of the Moon
Made in Japan
Uncovered 2003-2005

LTE SERIES
Live in NYC
When the Keyboard Breaks: Live in Chicago
Live in LA
LTE Live 2008 (Box Set)

Note: A Dramatic Tour of Events - Select Board Mixes is a re-release of the previously digital-only Happy Holidays 2013 release. It was released for free by the band on 12/25/13, and had nothing to do with Ytsejam Records.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on July 29, 2021, 08:51:09 AM
You can't reflect on something you never did and the music reflects that. The absurdly high JP verse takes all the energy built up in the song and pays it off.

LaBrie couldn't sing anything that tour and he modified the melody in that verse to be something more reasonable. His voice was shredded and couldn't be saved. Just had to roll with it. Why make a centerpiece of the set worse to fight the inevitable?
I don't think worry about the lyrics not making complete sense is a huge problem in the live setting. I doubt anyone in the audience is gonna say "hey - they skipped a section! Now the song lyrics make no sense!" As is clearly evident from this discussion, there's more of a focus on his performance. So if skipping a particularly difficult part will save him a bit of struggle, then why not skip it?

Normally I would agree, but if they say they’re doing the entire album, hearing sections skipped would be a bummer. Take the Time is my favorite song on Images and Words (and fifth favorite DT song overall), and I would have been disappointed if they didn’t play the full song. With that said, now that I’ve heard it live, knowing how much James struggled (I consider this to be the single hardest song to sing in the band’s discography), I never have to hear it live again especially with the band no longer rotating setlists as I don’t think it’s the best idea to force James to sing that song night after night when it’s such a struggle for him.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on July 29, 2021, 11:18:32 AM


You can't reflect on something you never did and the music reflects that. The absurdly high JP verse takes all the energy built up in the song and pays it off.

LaBrie couldn't sing anything that tour and he modified the melody in that verse to be something more reasonable. His voice was shredded and couldn't be saved. Just had to roll with it. Why make a centerpiece of the set worse to fight the inevitable?
I don't think worry about the lyrics not making complete sense is a huge problem in the live setting. I doubt anyone in the audience is gonna say "hey - they skipped a section! Now the song lyrics make no sense!" As is clearly evident from this discussion, there's more of a focus on his performance. So if skipping a particularly difficult part will save him a bit of struggle, then why not skip it?

If it were only that section he struggled with then I'd agree.  Based on this, you'd cut multiple sections on most of the songs.  He changes the phrasing on some parts which is fine.  He should have done that more.



He actually took the hardest section down significantly.  (I think it's down a full octave, but have only listed to it once.)  I agree that they should do more to adjust the vocal melodies, or just not play those songs that have super high parts.  In general, anytime he goes high his tone sounds really thin and strained on this recording, even if he is hitting the right notes.  I thought he sounded a lot better at the Cincinnati show I saw earlier in the tour. 
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ytserush on August 07, 2021, 10:56:01 AM
So the next one to be released (Sept 14) is the Master of Puppets cover from Barcelona 2002.

Any different from the official bootleg? Remaster? Remix? I don't think new art is going to be enough to get me to buy into this one.

They are all remastered, apparently.

Has anyone done an A/B comparison between Happy Holidays 2013 and LFNA #2 A Dramatic Tour Of Events?

If the remastering isn't that much of an improvement, it'll save me tons of money from re-buying anything they already released under the YtseJam Recrods label.

-Marc.

That was my exact concern as well. No need for me to buy these again if there is a marginal improvement and/or no bonus tracks.. This is great for those that missed them the first time around. I hope they mix it up with previously unreleased material as well.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on August 07, 2021, 06:12:33 PM
I listened to Happy Holidays 2013 the other day, and it sounds fantastic.

They knocked it out of the park with that release.


I would love a Summer 2015 show.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on August 08, 2021, 12:11:59 PM
I enjoyed that too.  Really glad I have it now on a physical release.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on August 08, 2021, 01:10:47 PM
It's there any noticeable difference in sound quality between the original Happy Holidays and the new one?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on August 09, 2021, 05:44:19 AM
I'm the wrong guy to ask; the original I've only ever heard on my computer and through my iPod.  To be honest, I've only ever listened to it a handful of times.   The new one I've heard in my car (where I do most of my "new" listening), and it sounds really good.   But I'm not one to fuss about "this is overcompressed", or "the drums are too far back in the mix".   Those aren't things that really stick out or bother me unless they are REALLY bad.   

I can probably try to A/B them when I rip it to my network drive, if you want. 
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: zappafrank2112 on August 10, 2021, 12:35:18 PM
No liners for the re-released YtseJam stuff would be a big turnoff for me.  Having some good terlet material to peruse is always good, and why I like the OG releases that had them.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on August 10, 2021, 09:49:15 PM
No liners for the re-released YtseJam stuff would be a big turnoff for me.  Having some good terlet material to peruse is always good, and why I like the OG releases that had them.
 

Portnoy always had interesting insights. It was odd though how some of the live albums had no liner notes. Nothing. Hey, here's a show we did in Tokyo in 1998 because whatever. Furthermore, that show didn't sound particularly great so I was really scratching my head why they bothered releasing it.

Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on August 10, 2021, 10:18:49 PM
No liners for the re-released YtseJam stuff would be a big turnoff for me.  Having some good terlet material to peruse is always good, and why I like the OG releases that had them.
 

Portnoy always had interesting insights. It was odd though how some of the live albums had no liner notes. Nothing. Hey, here's a show we did in Tokyo in 1998 because whatever. Furthermore, that show didn't sound particularly great so I was really scratching my head why they bothered releasing it.

I thought the 1998 show they released was an LA show? Or do you mean the 1995 Tokyo show from the Awake Tour? That one is a bit questionable, but it's a great setlist.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on August 10, 2021, 10:31:03 PM
No liners for the re-released YtseJam stuff would be a big turnoff for me.  Having some good terlet material to peruse is always good, and why I like the OG releases that had them.
 

Portnoy always had interesting insights. It was odd though how some of the live albums had no liner notes. Nothing. Hey, here's a show we did in Tokyo in 1998 because whatever. Furthermore, that show didn't sound particularly great so I was really scratching my head why they bothered releasing it.

I thought the 1998 show they released was an LA show? Or do you mean the 1995 Tokyo show from the Awake Tour? That one is a bit questionable, but it's a great setlist.

-Marc.

Yeah, I think it was 1995. The 98 show wasn't that great either but it had some special guests so I get that inclusion. Still would have been nice to have some liner notes explaining how that came to fruition.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: devieira73 on August 11, 2021, 06:01:17 AM
The 1995 show was one from the short tour promoting the ACOS EP, with ACOS played live as a whole with Derek, some covers and Innocence Faded.
https://dreamtheater.club/discography/official-bootlegs/live-series/tokyojapan/
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: erwinrafael on August 12, 2021, 01:32:26 AM
I was browsing through the iTunes store and I was surprised that they had a release this year called The Eternal Dance. It's a 1993 live show broadcast in Wisconsin? I am not familiar with their live discography.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on August 12, 2021, 04:12:23 AM
I was browsing through the iTunes store and I was surprised that they had a release this year called The Eternal Dance. It's a 1993 live show broadcast in Wisconsin? I am not familiar with their live discography.

It’s a bootleg. A good one though.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on August 12, 2021, 08:21:31 PM
I believe it's an FM broadcast.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on August 20, 2021, 07:13:03 AM
Posted by Inside Out:
Quote
The 3rd installment of Dream Theater's 'Lost Not Forgotten Archives ‘Train of Thought Instrumental Demos’- is out today on CD and Digital and features instrumental studio demo tracks from the recording of the monumental 2003 album, Train of Thought. The black vinyl in Europe will be out on Sept. 17th. Unfortunately, due to continued delays with vinyl manufacturing, the vinyl release in the United States won't be available until March 4th, 2022 but orders will ship as soon as product becomes available.
https://dream-theater.lnk.to/LostNotForgottenArchives_TrainOfThoughtInstrumentalDemos

March 2022?! I feel sorry for those who wanted this on vinyl in the US. That's quite a delay!! Over six months!!

Well either way, this will be the first LNFA I'll be skipping, as well as the next one (MOP live). No announcement on what comes next for number 5, right?

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on August 20, 2021, 10:26:58 AM
No announcement on what comes next for number 5, right?

-Marc.

I might be wrong, but I think they'll skip October so that they don't have two releases that same month (along with AVFTTOTW).
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on August 20, 2021, 10:30:39 AM
No announcement on what comes next for number 5, right?

-Marc.

I might be wrong, but I think they'll skip October so that they don't have two releases that same month (along with AVFTTOTW).

Ahhh, that would make sense. Also gives my wallet a rest as well. As much as I'd like actually-new releases (and not re-released YtseJam Records albums), I don't mind if they take their time so I can take the time to buy them.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on August 23, 2021, 03:54:24 PM
Is there anyone talented enough to put the Train Of Thought vocals over the Demo tracks?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on August 23, 2021, 04:03:36 PM
I played “Train of Thought Karaoke” in the car.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on August 23, 2021, 04:08:50 PM
I like the demos. The actual album versions are so sterile.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on August 23, 2021, 09:02:46 PM
Is there anyone talented enough to put the Train Of Thought vocals over the Demo tracks?

If there is I'll give them half a dozen dollars.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on August 24, 2021, 09:25:01 AM
Is there anyone talented enough to put the Train Of Thought vocals over the Demo tracks?

I'm working on it.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on August 24, 2021, 02:29:33 PM
Is there anyone talented enough to put the Train Of Thought vocals over the Demo tracks?

If there is I'll give them half a dozen dollars.
Is there anyone talented enough to put the Train Of Thought vocals over the Demo tracks?

Here is it, As I Am Instrumental Demo with Vocals:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r489LxOCf68&ab_channel=MarceloNanjari

Note: I'll be uploading more of these in the next days.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on August 24, 2021, 03:35:42 PM
Is there anyone talented enough to put the Train Of Thought vocals over the Demo tracks?

If there is I'll give them half a dozen dollars.
Is there anyone talented enough to put the Train Of Thought vocals over the Demo tracks?


Here is it, As I Am Instrumental Demo with Vocals:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r489LxOCf68&ab_channel=MarceloNanjari

Note: I'll be uploading more of these in the next days.
This is awesome! Thank you.

Edit: Apparently I'm still figuring out how to use the quote function. Anyway, let me repeat, thank you!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on August 24, 2021, 04:20:33 PM
That is awesome Marcelo! Thank you.

Looking forward to the others!!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Wim Kruithof on August 25, 2021, 01:53:00 AM
well done Marcelo, very talented obviously.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on August 25, 2021, 06:00:01 AM
That is awesome Marcelo! Thank you.

Looking forward to the others!!
well done Marcelo, very talented obviously.
Is there anyone talented enough to put the Train Of Thought vocals over the Demo tracks?

If there is I'll give them half a dozen dollars.
Is there anyone talented enough to put the Train Of Thought vocals over the Demo tracks?


Here is it, As I Am Instrumental Demo with Vocals:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r489LxOCf68&ab_channel=MarceloNanjari

Note: I'll be uploading more of these in the next days.
This is awesome! Thank you.

Edit: Apparently I'm still figuring out how to use the quote function. Anyway, let me repeat, thank you!

Thank you for your comments!
Here is "This Dying Soul".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du7UMIJwMIg&ab_channel=
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: devieira73 on August 25, 2021, 06:38:55 AM
Great job, Marcelo! Really interesting to hear these demos with vocals. Something that is really incredibly amazing on these TOT demo versions is the BASS from Myung! :hefdaddy :metal
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on August 25, 2021, 08:43:33 AM
Marcelo...so you can put the vocals on the demo versions, but can't use the DTF quote function?? :lol




Thank you for your comments!
Here is "This Dying Soul".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du7UMIJwMIg&ab_channel=




Now that's what I'm talking about! :metal :metal

:clap:
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on August 25, 2021, 12:43:37 PM
Very cool Marcelo - thanks for doing this. Just out of curiosity, how did you get the vocal stems? I know that there are individual stems out there for all of IaW, Awake, FII, SFaM, 8v, BCaSL and a few tracks from the MM-era, but AFAIK, nothing from the other MP-era albums. Did you extract the vocals from the 2-track album versions?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on August 25, 2021, 12:52:30 PM
Very cool Marcelo - thanks for doing this. Just out of curiosity, how did you get the vocal stems? I know that there are individual stems out there for all of IaW, Awake, FII, SFaM, 8v, BCaSL and a few tracks from the MM-era, but AFAIK, nothing from the other MP-era albums. Did you extract the vocals from the 2-track album versions?

Thank you for your comments! As you say, I get the vocals stem by extracting them from the 2-track album version.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on August 25, 2021, 12:54:14 PM
Very cool Marcelo - thanks for doing this. Just out of curiosity, how did you get the vocal stems? I know that there are individual stems out there for all of IaW, Awake, FII, SFaM, 8v, BCaSL and a few tracks from the MM-era, but AFAIK, nothing from the other MP-era albums. Did you extract the vocals from the 2-track album versions?

Thank you for your comments! As you say, I get the vocals stem by extracting them from the 2-track album version.
Very nicely done! Cool to see what can be extracted. I barely know my way around Audacity, but I'm curious to know what kind of software you used and what method(s) you used to do it (but please, in simple basic terms so that I can understand!  :biggrin:)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on August 25, 2021, 12:55:34 PM
I'm already lost! :lol
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on August 25, 2021, 01:04:37 PM
Very cool Marcelo - thanks for doing this. Just out of curiosity, how did you get the vocal stems? I know that there are individual stems out there for all of IaW, Awake, FII, SFaM, 8v, BCaSL and a few tracks from the MM-era, but AFAIK, nothing from the other MP-era albums. Did you extract the vocals from the 2-track album versions?

Thank you for your comments! As you say, I get the vocals stem by extracting them from the 2-track album version.
Very nicely done! Cool to see what can be extracted. I barely know my way around Audacity, but I'm curious to know what kind of software you used and what method(s) you used to do it (but please, in simple basic terms so that I can understand!  :biggrin:)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: wolfking on August 31, 2021, 09:45:04 PM
Just spinning the Dramatic Tour of Events set in the car today and man, what a wicked release.  Sound is on point and James sounds quite incredible.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Wim Kruithof on September 02, 2021, 07:35:42 AM
really looking forward to the Master of Puppets release. Pre-ordered the vinyl and doing my best not to hear it before the release package is delivered. But I am so curious to hear how Orion would sound, when it's done by Myung. And Sanitarium / Welcome Home, can't wait, honestly.
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Post by: Wim Kruithof on September 17, 2021, 12:32:09 AM
while the vinyl will be delivered soon, I listen to the Master of Puppets-tribute via iTunes. Man I’m glad they included it on the Last Not Forgotten Archives. Hope the tribute to Pink Floyd will be rereleased as well…
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Nel on September 18, 2021, 01:54:48 AM
I know it's a bootleg, but this MoP concert sounds really... muffled? I dunno. James kind of sounds like he's singing with a pillow between him and the mic, but maybe the original YtseJam release sounded like this too. I only ever listened to this once probably a decade back.

I'm sure they'll do the Pink Floyd and Iron Maiden ones as well. I noticed the labels (stamps?) in the middle of each of these Lost Not Forgotten releases seems to be color-coded. The first two have a red stamp that says Live at the bottom, Train of Thought Demos has a blue one that says Demo, and this Master of Puppets release has a green one that says Covers, so I assume we'll get more of all three categories since they're making different stamps for them.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: erwinrafael on September 18, 2021, 03:27:21 AM
I am really happy that they are making all these available on Spotify. Such a treat for all of us fans on the other side of the globe with limited budgets.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Wim Kruithof on September 28, 2021, 03:57:26 AM
Quote
DEMO SERIES
The Majesty Demos 1985-1986
When Dream and Day Unite Demos 1987-1989
Images and Words Demos 1989-1991
Awake Demos 1994
Falling Into Infinity Demos 1996-1997
Train of Though Instrumental Demos 2003

STUDIO SERIES
The Making of Falling Into Infinity
The Making of Scenes From a Memory

LIVE SERIES
New York City 3/4/93
Tokyo, Japan 10/28/95
Old Bridge, New Jersey 12/14/96
Los Angeles, California 5/18/98
Romania, Bucharest 7/4/02 (DVD only)
When Dream and Day Reunite
Santiago, Chile 12/6/05 (DVD only)

COVER SERIES
Master of Puppets
The Number of the Beast
The Dark Side of the Moon
Made in Japan
Uncovered 2003-2005

LTE SERIES
Live in NYC
When the Keyboard Breaks: Live in Chicago
Live in LA
LTE Live 2008 (Box Set)

Was there ever a unofficial bootleg of the Twelve Step Suite? Can't see him above so I figure out, it's not. However, that would be one of my most valuable pieces, if they put the Suite on a LNF Archive.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 28, 2021, 06:28:20 AM
Was there ever a unofficial bootleg of the Twelve Step Suite?
No, and I'm not sure why there would be, since they never played the whole thing live.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Wim Kruithof on September 28, 2021, 08:37:23 AM
They never did the Twelve Step Suite live? One of the reasons I wish Portnoy stayed much longer then he did.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: bosk1 on September 28, 2021, 09:32:34 AM
I suppose they could edit it together from separate performances of each of the 5 songs.  But I doubt that they would. 
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Max Kuehnau on September 28, 2021, 09:36:11 AM
I suppose they could edit it together from separate performances of each of the 5 songs.  But I doubt that they would.
so would I. And I wouldn't even want such a release. I'm far more interested in what they'll release that is actually previously unreleased, i.e. not a reissue of the YJR releases. (although it's nice they get their reissues as well, don't get me wrong.)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on September 28, 2021, 10:21:45 AM
You could make your own playlist of live versions from the suite, though it's going to be a bit tricky.

So far, we have official live releases for TDS (Budokan), TROAE (Score and Luna Park) and TSF (Breaking the Fourth Wall).

For TGP, there was one on the Gigantour release, I think, but I don't own it so can't really comment on that one. Also, there was another in the Fan Club release for Graspop 2002, but that one should be very hard to find.

And for Repentance, well... it was only played live once by DT, and that version is also on a Fan Club release, Progressive Nation 2008. (There's also a live version from Flying Colors, but different band lol)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: bosk1 on September 28, 2021, 10:28:44 AM
For TGP, there was one on the Gigantour release, I think, but I don't own it so can't really comment on that one. Also, there was another in the Fan Club release for Graspop 2002, but that one should be very hard to find.

Also the Bucharest DVD.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Max Kuehnau on September 28, 2021, 10:46:18 AM
For TGP, there was one on the Gigantour release, I think, but I don't own it so can't really comment on that one. Also, there was another in the Fan Club release for Graspop 2002, but that one should be very hard to find.

Also the Bucharest DVD.
yes, opening the show (as was customary on the first two European legs of the tour)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on September 28, 2021, 10:49:40 AM
For TGP, there was one on the Gigantour release, I think, but I don't own it so can't really comment on that one. Also, there was another in the Fan Club release for Graspop 2002, but that one should be very hard to find.

Also the Bucharest DVD.
yes, opening the show (as was customary on the first two European legs of the tour)

That one has a great setlist, hoping it gets re-released soon through the LNF archives.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on September 29, 2021, 09:54:13 AM
Was there ever a unofficial bootleg of the Twelve Step Suite?
No, and I'm not sure why there would be, since they never played the whole thing live.

It would have to be REALLY unofficial.


They never did the Twelve Step Suite live? One of the reasons I wish Portnoy stayed much longer then he did.

DT never did, but Portnoy did it with one of the 73 bands he's played with over the last eleven years:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrZT_EyxXGk
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on September 29, 2021, 12:26:18 PM
As much as I love some of the releases so far (I have a complete Ytsejam Records set, so I am only buying the "new" releases) if they do venture into virgin, pre-Mangini territory, I'd REALLY like a complete Ronnie Scott's show, and complete versions of the two shows that showed up, in part, in the Five Years In A Lifetime vid.  I know they are widely available on bootleg, but I'm not a huge unofficial boot guy and I'd rather give the coin to the band, frankly.   
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Wim Kruithof on September 30, 2021, 06:41:32 AM
DT never did, but Portnoy did it with one of the 73 bands he's played with over the last eleven years:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrZT_EyxXGk

Thanks! Another fine hour spend of my life.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Fritzinger on October 01, 2021, 02:38:06 AM
Apparently the next release will be When Dream & Day Reunite! Looking forward to this one, after two releases that I didn't care too much for.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: jadiggerdt on October 01, 2021, 06:52:22 AM
ehh. Is it a financial gain to launch albums people have listened to 100 times before with barely noticeable sound difference?
Its allready out there!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: rab7 on October 01, 2021, 07:10:10 AM
ehh. Is it a financial gain to launch albums people have listened to 100 times before with barely noticeable sound difference?
Its allready out there!

I can't speak to the financial gain, but I'm happy that now I can include WDADRU in my spotify playlists without switching apps
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Max Kuehnau on October 01, 2021, 07:13:44 AM
ehh. Is it a financial gain to launch albums people have listened to 100 times before with barely noticeable sound difference?
Its allready out there!
it is, but some people (myself included) missed out back in the day and the original pressings are now rare items that can be very expensive, so it's nice to be able to get these reissues.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on October 01, 2021, 07:13:54 AM
https://www.facebook.com/289541335438/posts/10159850771375439/

Quote
The latest forthcoming presentation in Dream Theater's archival series features a remastering of the original 2004 live release, ‘When Dream and Day Reunite’, including a full concert performance of the band’s debut studio album, and on-stage reunion with former members Derek Sherinian, and Charlie Dominici. This iconic concert has been one of the most highly sought releases from the original YtseJam Records, and now becomes available on digital and vinyl for the first time!
https://dream-theater.lnk.to/LostNotForgottenArchivesWhenDreamAndDayReuniteLive
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/244013943_10159850766905439_562431690250918609_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_rgb565=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8024bb&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=pZgjZzqwpFIAX8M4Qks&tn=NxOtTxdiZxPkzHAL&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=e13337f9c15fc749d55a52d66e794f26&oe=617E25BF)

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 01, 2021, 07:19:59 AM
I'm glad they are doing it, but the only version I ever had of that release is the DVD, so unless they are upgrading to Blu-ray, I'm out.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Fritzinger on October 01, 2021, 07:26:42 AM
I don't have any of the older issues and I'm a vinyl noob, so I'm happy about those re-issues. Also, I have no problem with bands making money off their music.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: erwinrafael on October 01, 2021, 07:56:54 AM
ehh. Is it a financial gain to launch albums people have listened to 100 times before with barely noticeable sound difference?
Its allready out there!

In this era of streaming? Of course it makes financial sense.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Wim Kruithof on October 01, 2021, 08:15:36 AM
I don't have any of the older issues and I'm a vinyl noob, so I'm happy about those re-issues. Also, I have no problem with bands making money off their music.

100% the same for me. I am very interested in these Lost Not Forgotten Archives and been collecting them with most pleasure.

Is there a release date already? Official website doesn't mention it till now.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Lonk on October 01, 2021, 08:23:54 AM
Happy with this release. To this day, one of my favorite live performance by DT is the instrumental section for Light Fuse and Get away.

https://youtu.be/Q_EhlRCbIcg?t=258
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: devieira73 on October 01, 2021, 08:42:39 AM
Following the kaleidoscope pattern, but this new cover is very cool!
But... no DVD?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Mosh on October 01, 2021, 08:59:56 AM
The financial benefit on the DT side is clear. These Ytse Jam releases are highly sought after collectors items that go for large amounts of money on secondary markets. It makes sense that Dream Theater would want to get in on this by making the releases widely available again (and in premium formats such as signed vinyl). They were missing out on a lot of revenue by having these out of print.

As a consumer, it’s a bit more murky. I have most of the original YtseJam albums, but for the ones I’m missing (including Train of Thought demos) I find myself wondering if I should continue to seek out the originals or buy these new versions. I would like to support the band directly and I also really support this initiative as a whole and want to see it continue beyond reissuing stuff. But they also haven’t made the products as attractive as the original YtseJams. No in depth liner notes (from what I’ve gathered), the kaleidoscope artwork is kind of meh, and vinyl seems unnecessary for some of the more “bootleg” quality material in the series. IDK
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on October 01, 2021, 09:17:11 AM
The WDADR version of Metropolis is probably their best live version of the song ever released, just love to hear James and Charlie doing harmonies and also the different textures in keyboard sounds by Jordan and Derek :metal
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on October 01, 2021, 09:50:33 AM
These Ytse Jam releases are highly sought after collectors items that go for large amounts of money on secondary markets.

I can't speak much to secondary markets, but I did a quick eBay search for a couple of the Ytse Jam releases and all were available for about the same price they originally sold for.  COTC is the only one that goes for a lot of money, and that's only because it was an extremely limited production.  And what does "highly sought after" mean?  I obviously haven't conducted any surveys, but are there really more than a few hundred people who really want them?  This is Dream Theater, not Taylor Swift.


The WDADR version of Metropolis is probably their best live version of the song ever released

Really?  James was ok, but Charlie was off key a lot.  If this is true, it's only because most of the live versions of Metropolis (at least the early ones) weren't very good.  For the most part, the bass solo gets completely buried in the mix.  Off the top of my head, I feel like Score was WAY better.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: bosk1 on October 01, 2021, 09:56:14 AM
And what does "highly sought after" mean?

I'm admittedly guessing a little bit here.  But I think it means that people seek after them.  Highly.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 01, 2021, 10:17:30 AM
And what does "highly sought after" mean?

I'm admittedly guessing a little bit here.  But I think it means that people seek after them.  Highly.
Get out
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TheRich13 on October 01, 2021, 10:30:17 AM
Hey all ,
Anyone know if this new release (WDADR) will be released on colored vinyl ?? All I see on century media Is black vinyl … THANKS !
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Max Kuehnau on October 01, 2021, 10:37:36 AM
Hey all ,
Anyone know if this new release (WDADR) will be released on colored vinyl ?? All I see on century media Is black vinyl … THANKS !
yes, some shops apparently do stock coloured variants. My shop of choice does too. (red) (https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/poprock/detail/-/art/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-when-dream-and-day-reunite/hnum/10733732)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on October 01, 2021, 10:48:23 AM
The WDADR version of Metropolis is probably their best live version of the song ever released

Really?  James was ok, but Charlie was off key a lot.  If this is true, it's only because most of the live versions of Metropolis (at least the early ones) weren't very good.  For the most part, the bass solo gets completely buried in the mix.  Off the top of my head, I feel like Score was WAY better.

There's many officially released versions of Metropolis (as well as PMU and TSCO), but I like this one the most because of the reasons I listed on my previous post: James and Charlie doing harmonies, blending different sound patches from Jordan and Derek, and that great middle section solo trade-off between them and JP. Sure, Charlie can be a bit out of tune, but it's not like we aren't used to James in live versions anyway :P

The Score version is really really good too, and I like those arrangements by the orchestra for sure, but I guess it doesn't get more "DT" than Metropolis played by 7 DT members at the same time :biggrin:

Other honorable mentions for me are the latin improv at the end for the Luna Park version and the Budokan 2017 version with the drum solo and different approach to the instrumental section.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: bosk1 on October 01, 2021, 11:00:10 AM
Not sure what I would consider to be my "favorite" version.  Each has something cool to offer.  But I'll add to the above by tossing in the LATM version. 
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Lonk on October 01, 2021, 11:12:04 AM
I wish this had better audio, but this was my first DT concert and my favorite version of Metropolis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_ut66CBVbc&ab_channel=msterscary

I have a few videos from that day (with better Audio) but I would need to dig through old computers.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on October 01, 2021, 12:30:14 PM
Not sure what I would consider to be my "favorite" version.  Each has something cool to offer.  But I'll add to the above by tossing in the LATM version.

My only issue with the LATM version is that they played it 100% like the studio version vs the others listed before that have more changes like the orchestra, drum solo, latin improv, previous members, etc.

I wish this had better audio, but this was my first DT concert and my favorite version of Metropolis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_ut66CBVbc&ab_channel=msterscary

I have a few videos from that day (with better Audio) but I would need to dig through old computers.

IIRC, there's another show from that same era that had either Vai only or Vai and Zappa together during the instrumental section :tup
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Mosh on October 01, 2021, 12:37:28 PM
And what does "highly sought after" mean?

I'm admittedly guessing a little bit here.  But I think it means that people seek after them.  Highly.
Thanks for cracking the code, I know that was a vague statement.  :lol
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: countoftuscany42 on October 01, 2021, 02:10:31 PM
Does anyone know which retailer has the purple vinyl? I’ve only seen red and black so far
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Wim Kruithof on October 01, 2021, 02:23:00 PM
Does anyone know which retailer has the purple vinyl? I’ve only seen red and black so far

Where I'll buy vinyls from (Large in Netherlands) they sell black, red and blue versions. I'll go for the red, since my original When Dream and Day Unite is red as well.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on October 01, 2021, 02:34:45 PM
Following the kaleidoscope pattern, but this new cover is very cool!
But... no DVD?
True - definitely better than most of the other ones. That said, I personally miss the original cover. Had a lot of fun photographing the cake and getting it to fit into the original album cover.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on October 01, 2021, 04:43:30 PM
Does anyone know which retailer has the purple vinyl? I’ve only seen red and black so far

Where I'll buy vinyls from (Large in Netherlands) they sell black, red and blue versions. I'll go for the red, since my original When Dream and Day Unite is red as well.


You can get a blue one and a red one and melt them together for purple.   ;)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: devieira73 on October 01, 2021, 05:59:06 PM
Following the kaleidoscope pattern, but this new cover is very cool!
But... no DVD?
True - definitely better than most of the other ones. That said, I personally miss the original cover. Had a lot of fun photographing the cake and getting it to fit into the original album cover.
Did you make that one? I didn' remember! Indeed it was a really nice (and fun) cover, great work!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on October 01, 2021, 09:37:18 PM
The WDaDR version of Metropolis might be a good watch, but it is the last version I am going to seek out to listen to.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on October 04, 2021, 02:53:01 PM
Following the kaleidoscope pattern, but this new cover is very cool!
But... no DVD?
True - definitely better than most of the other ones. That said, I personally miss the original cover. Had a lot of fun photographing the cake and getting it to fit into the original album cover.
Did you make that one? I didn' remember! Indeed it was a really nice (and fun) cover, great work!
I did - thanks for the compliment. Was a lot of fun. Actually bought 2 cakes on separate occasions - one for a test run and then a second one for the photoshoot. Ironically we mostly used the images from the test run for the final image and added the Happy Anniversary type from the second one, as well meh frosting Majesty symbol we did since the bakery botched the Majesty symbol on the second cake. And then we got to enjoy both cakes after each shoot!   :biggrin:
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: devieira73 on October 04, 2021, 03:42:58 PM
Cool story! I can only imagine people on the bakery finding the request to do the majesty symbol in the cake a bit weird... what the hell is this?!?! :D :D
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TheRich13 on October 05, 2021, 10:03:04 AM
Searched all over and still can’t find where to preorder the purple variant ….
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Wim Kruithof on October 07, 2021, 02:06:25 PM
Bought Images & Words, Dramatic Tour of Events and Master of Puppets as soon as the vinyls came out. But the Train of Thought demos still didn’t make it under the needle. Till today, when I gave the new delivered vinyl a good spin.

Can’t follow why they twist the tracklist, does anyone know? I’m glad I bought the demos, good to hear the specific bassline more clear of one of my most beloved studioalbums…
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on October 07, 2021, 02:23:13 PM
The tracklist order is different because that's the order in which the songs were written :tup
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Wim Kruithof on October 07, 2021, 02:24:48 PM
The tracklist order is different because that's the order in which the songs were written :tup

I see, of course it is, thanks!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on October 07, 2021, 08:27:08 PM
The tracklist order is different because that's the order in which the songs were written :tup

I see, of course it is, thanks!

Which would be apparent if the band had ANY sort of liner notes for these releases like they/MP had for the original Ytsejam Records releases.  :facepalm:

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: bosk1 on October 29, 2021, 12:28:56 PM
Given all the discussion of the new album, discussion in this thread has understandably dropped off quite a bit.  Just wanted to pop in to say that, after listening to my newly-acquired "A Dramatic Tour of Events," I was reminded how good this release is.  I never burned it to CD or transferred it to my phone, so despite having downloaded it back when the band provided it for free, I haven't listened to it in years.  I'm glad they put it out for purchase on physical media.  This is a GREAT collection, and along with LALP, provides such comprehensive coverage of that tour.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on October 29, 2021, 12:46:34 PM
Given all the discussion of the new album, discussion in this thread has understandably dropped off quite a bit.  Just wanted to pop in to say that, after listening to my newly-acquired "A Dramatic Tour of Events," I was reminded how good this release is.  I never burned it to CD or transferred it to my phone, so despite having downloaded it back when the band provided it for free, I haven't listened to it in years.  I'm glad they put it out for purchase on physical media.  This is a GREAT collection, and along with LALP, provides such comprehensive coverage of that tour.

I agree with that, 100%.  Solid.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on October 29, 2021, 12:50:34 PM
Yeah, that is a great release. I did burn a CD and it's on my iPod.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on October 29, 2021, 12:58:08 PM
I'm hoping they do something like that for the rest of the songs they've played live between 2015-2017 (excluding TA)* but haven't been released yet.


*Like I said in the other thread I'm quite positive they'll release The Astonishing live through LNFA at some point soon.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Wim Kruithof on October 30, 2021, 07:01:53 AM
Totally agree Bosk. It's special to me 'cause its their only live registration of the Count as far as I know and the lullaby Petrucci weaved in is absolutely beautiful. Also Forsaken is special. It is their most valuable LNFA to me, but I do really am looking forward to WDaDR.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on October 30, 2021, 09:41:08 PM
I recall downloading this but guess I purged it, I cannot find it in my files.

I am lukewarm on Count of Tuscany but really enjoyed seeing it live. 

Found it on my hard drive, never transferred it to my music player. And now I remember why. The best songs on this are featured on other (and better) releases. The worst songs I do not need live versions of.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on November 06, 2021, 01:00:49 PM
Is there anyone talented enough to put the Train Of Thought vocals over the Demo tracks?

If there is I'll give them half a dozen dollars.
Is there anyone talented enough to put the Train Of Thought vocals over the Demo tracks?

Here is it, As I Am Instrumental Demo with Vocals:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r489LxOCf68&ab_channel=MarceloNanjari

Note: I'll be uploading more of these in the next days.
This is awesome! Thank you.

Edit: Apparently I'm still figuring out how to use the quote function. Anyway, let me repeat, thank you!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: cminor on November 06, 2021, 01:39:22 PM
I made these ones, hope you like it:
As I Am: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r489LxOCf68
This Dying Soul: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du7UMIJwMIg
Endless Sacrifice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BfKFqDOPsw
Honor Thy Father: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enDPhyn23PM
Vacant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jmUOhXZGdY

Next? Probably Metallica's Master of Puppets with James LaBrie's vocals...!

That sounded interesting, so I just listened to Vacant. Why are the vocals completely out of sync? Is that intentional?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on November 06, 2021, 01:56:26 PM
I made these ones, hope you like it:
As I Am: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r489LxOCf68
This Dying Soul: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du7UMIJwMIg
Endless Sacrifice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BfKFqDOPsw
Honor Thy Father: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enDPhyn23PM
Vacant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jmUOhXZGdY

Next? Probably Metallica's Master of Puppets with James LaBrie's vocals...!

That sounded interesting, so I just listened to Vacant. Why are the vocals completely out of sync? Is that intentional?

Sorry, I just noticed that the files that I uploaded have a delay in the vocals. I'm going to edit them all again.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: javidt on November 21, 2021, 01:49:56 AM
Seems like Majesty Demos is the next bootleg:

https://www.emp-online.es/p/lost-not-forgotten-archives%3A-the-majesty-demos/520902St.html?forceThisShop=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiA-eeMBhCpARIsAAZfxZA1AWS536pbWp4kp3cZOwjtp_BAKOEWNvqLybyZwCixk-4RYA7DGu0aAmfYEALw_wcB&wt_mc=mp.google.pla.emp_es_all_pla.6496716467.78363482099.520902StES01.861698179107.pla-861698179107.c. (https://www.emp-online.es/p/lost-not-forgotten-archives%3A-the-majesty-demos/520902St.html?forceThisShop=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiA-eeMBhCpARIsAAZfxZA1AWS536pbWp4kp3cZOwjtp_BAKOEWNvqLybyZwCixk-4RYA7DGu0aAmfYEALw_wcB&wt_mc=mp.google.pla.emp_es_all_pla.6496716467.78363482099.520902StES01.861698179107.pla-861698179107.c.)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Wim Kruithof on November 21, 2021, 03:49:09 AM
Nice, looking forward to those...
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on December 03, 2021, 12:16:53 PM
With all the talk about click tracks and live improvs... let's not forget WDADR was re-released today! :metal
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on December 03, 2021, 12:55:44 PM
As a general comment, not sure why it's only happening now (perhaps the JP/MP reunion helped smooth things over), but I love how quickly they're being released and that they're on the various streaming services.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on December 03, 2021, 04:37:27 PM
As a general comment, not sure why it's only happening now (perhaps the JP/MP reunion helped smooth things over), but I love how quickly they're being released and that they're on the various streaming services.

Or, it could be a rights issue. Perhaps MP's share in holding those releases has expired, allowing the band/JP to re-release them. It has been over 10 years since Mike left the band, so maybe there was a clause or something legal that held them from re-issuing those YtseJam Records albums for another decade or so after Mike left.

Either way, it's cool that fans who weren't fans back then are now getting a chance to get some of these cool releases, one month at a time, which is a bit easier than their original 3-4 at a time every few months, though I wish we could get some NEW stuff from them as well. I haven't read any reviews of folks comparing the originals to the new ones so I don't think the "remastered" versions are worth getting so far. I'm fairly happy with the original YJR releases I own.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on December 03, 2021, 04:59:54 PM
MP benefits from these re-releases too anyway, since he was also part of them, so he gets royalties.

And also count me in with those wanting some new stuff, specially considering I don't care for about half of the originally released Ytse Jam records titles, but it's nice to finally have this active again :tup
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on December 03, 2021, 06:08:43 PM
Either way, it's cool that fans who weren't fans back then are now getting a chance to get some of these cool releases, one month at a time,

Great point. It lets new fans acquaint themselves with the lore
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Zook on December 03, 2021, 06:46:41 PM
I was able to find the original releases of Making of Scenes, NOTB and DSOTM in the wild, and almost bought the re-release of MOP the other day along with the new album. I still plan to. Are there any notable differences in these or just louder due to being remastered?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on December 04, 2021, 03:06:34 PM
I just got the CD for When Dream and Day ReUnite. I had the original DVD back in the day, so I figured I’d get the remastered CD. It’s funny that instead of using pics from that show, they have some from the Octavarium tour lol. I guess someone forgot what tour they were on in 2004. Oh well.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on December 04, 2021, 04:25:10 PM
I saw a couple videos on my YouTube feed of WDaDU songs from LA in 2004, and was thinking "What the heck are these doing on my feed today?" It was lost on me this was the ReUnite show and I didn't know about the LNF release.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on December 04, 2021, 04:27:10 PM
I just got the CD for When Dream and Day ReUnite. I had the original DVD back in the day, so I figured I’d get the remastered CD. It’s funny that instead of using pics from that show, they have some from the Octavarium tour lol. I guess someone forgot what four they were on in 2004. Oh well.

See, to me, this is shameful. Does anyone in the band give a shit?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ytserush on December 18, 2021, 07:49:13 PM
I just got the CD for When Dream and Day ReUnite. I had the original DVD back in the day, so I figured I’d get the remastered CD. It’s funny that instead of using pics from that show, they have some from the Octavarium tour lol. I guess someone forgot what four they were on in 2004. Oh well.

See, to me, this is shameful. Does anyone in the band give a shit?

At this point they're outsourcing. Should have outsourced it to Mike.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on December 22, 2021, 08:34:33 AM
SOmeone already asked this, but I don't see an answer; has anyone A/B'd these re-releases yet?  I have a complete set of the Ytsejam releases, and I have no real desire to re-buy them.  If it's just a remaster and so the new ones are a little louder, pass (and that's not being critical; I would be thrilled if I DIDN'T have them that they are available again). 
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on December 22, 2021, 09:20:56 AM
SOmeone already asked this, but I don't see an answer; has anyone A/B'd these re-releases yet?  I have a complete set of the Ytsejam releases, and I have no real desire to re-buy them.  If it's just a remaster and so the new ones are a little louder, pass (and that's not being critical; I would be thrilled if I DIDN'T have them that they are available again).

I haven't A/B'd them, but I don't think there's a huge or too noticeable difference bewtween both versions besides the new ones maybe being a little louder. If you alredy own the originals, I wouldn't necessarily recommend getting the new ones. The new versions, however, are available for digital streaming, which is a huge thing for newer fans and those migh as well give some revenue to the band, which is always a good thing.

What I noticed, though, and I don't think I've seen discussed here, is that they altered the tracklist from the original Happy Holidays release for the LNF release. They switched LTL and TCOT in the track order.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Wim Kruithof on December 26, 2021, 08:43:18 AM
I was thinking, how cool it would be if they bring a box on the market to store them nicely. I’ll spend a lot of money on all the vinyls of this Archives, but the truth is, their covers look pretty darn bad. A nice storebox would ease my pain a little.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on December 28, 2021, 07:34:40 AM
Next releases:
Live in NYC, 1993: https://monstermusicsc.com/UPC/194399895122
Awake Demos: https://www.amazon.com/Lost-Not-Forgotten-Archives-Special/dp/B09P2475Z1/ref=tmm_acd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

Nothing confirmed, just searched "Lost Not Forgotten Archives" in Google and it appeared...
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on December 28, 2021, 12:55:33 PM
Awesome! The only demos that interest me are the Majesty ones and FII but that Limelight 93 show is amazing.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: lucasembarbosa on December 29, 2021, 07:08:18 AM
These releases would be more interesting if they could alternate between MP and MM eras... But I don't know if they have enough material from MM era to release.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on December 29, 2021, 07:46:54 AM
These releases would be more interesting if they could alternate between MP and MM eras... But I don't know if they have enough material from MM era to release.

I'd say they do. TA live, DOT demos, the rest of the Budokan 2017 show, 35th anniversary tour, MM's full audition, other festival shows...

The problem, I think, is that they've committed to re-releasing everything from the original run, and that alone will take them more than 2 years to complete. If they started including more new ones to the mix, which I still want them to, they would never finish with this :P
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: lucasembarbosa on December 29, 2021, 07:53:00 AM
These releases would be more interesting if they could alternate between MP and MM eras... But I don't know if they have enough material from MM era to release.

I'd say they do. TA live, DOT demos, the rest of the Budokan 2017 show, 35th anniversary tour, MM's full audition, other festival shows...

The problem, I think, is that they've committed to re-releasing everything from the original run, and that alone will take them more than 2 years to complete. If they started including more new ones to the mix, which I still want them to, they would never finish with this :P

The complete audition of MM would be AWESOME  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on December 29, 2021, 08:48:18 AM
These releases would be more interesting if they could alternate between MP and MM eras... But I don't know if they have enough material from MM era to release.

I'd say they do. TA live, DOT demos, the rest of the Budokan 2017 show, 35th anniversary tour, MM's full audition, other festival shows...

The problem, I think, is that they've committed to re-releasing everything from the original run, and that alone will take them more than 2 years to complete. If they started including more new ones to the mix, which I still want them to, they would never finish with this :P

The complete audition of MM would be AWESOME  :hefdaddy
I would love "Santiago, Chile, 15/12/19 (Distance Over Time Tour and Scenes from a Memory 20 years)".
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on December 29, 2021, 12:17:56 PM
I would love "Santiago, Chile, 15/12/19 (Distance Over Time Tour and Scenes from a Memory 20 years)".
The problem is that there's nothing different at that show in terms of the setlist compared to what Distant Memories is. And with them glued to a click track, the room for improvisation or variations is gone. Very few people outside of Chile would bother buying it.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on December 29, 2021, 04:38:36 PM
I would love "Santiago, Chile, 15/12/19 (Distance Over Time Tour and Scenes from a Memory 20 years)".
The problem is that there's nothing different at that show in terms of the setlist compared to what Distant Memories is. And with them glued to a click track, the room for improvisation or variations is gone. Very few people outside of Chile would bother buying it.
Yeah, I understand. It's just that that's how I got to know Dream Theater's music, so it's a very special show for me. Actually, it's the show and music that got me into metal. It was stunning, I was amazed with everything. The only bad thing is that the sound was horrible. The vocals sounded very saturated while the drums were barely audible, so LNFA would be a good way to get a better sound (in my point of view, because of the above). Another thing that gives a different touch to the concert is the audience. It's not very important when listening to it but it makes my hair stand on end.

I'm in love with that concert  :heart

PD: And James had a cold. The vocals sounded different...!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on December 29, 2021, 07:46:27 PM
PD: And James had a cold. The vocals sounded different...!
And that right there will guarantee that you'll never see that show released on LNFA, even if the setlist was completely different.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: dream416 on December 29, 2021, 08:59:24 PM
Just curious if anyone has received the autograph vinyl copy of Images & Words Live in Japan 2017 yet ?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: sylentman on December 30, 2021, 12:52:25 PM
Just curious if anyone has received the autograph vinyl copy of Images & Words Live in Japan 2017 yet ?

I have been a afraid to ask for a long time in case others had received, but seeing your question now i know i am not alone waiting…
I did get a mail some time ago (September i think… that they faced some issues with the vinyl/packaging that did not meet expected quality, but would have assumed they could/should have been fixed-reissued by now?
I just hope to get it at some point, but this experience will likely discourage me from purchase anything else directly in the LNFA site (even if at more affordable price).

They should have sent the ones issued with packaging damage to us for free on the meantime while we wait for the fixed ones, or will expect at least something else as service recovery hehe
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Wim Kruithof on January 01, 2022, 03:34:25 AM
Received my red vinyl When Dream and Day Reunite and gave it some proper time to spin. What an outstanding performance. Really glad I’ve got it, the Killing Hand is wonderful.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Wim Kruithof on January 03, 2022, 11:14:12 AM
Been wondering, does anyone know in which songs Sherinian participated, on When Dream and Day Reunite. Only in Metropolis, or was there more where he was guest-playing? I can't separate him with Rudess...
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on January 03, 2022, 11:19:09 AM
Been wondering, does anyone know in which songs Sherinian participated, on When Dream and Day Reunite. Only in Metropolis, or was there more where he was guest-playing? I can't separate him with Rudess...

Sherinian only came on stage for Metropolis during the encore. There are videos of that performance on YouTube (https://youtu.be/oGYfKk93h5M) and they show off when he plays lead, so that might help distinguish his sound from Jordan's.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on January 03, 2022, 11:27:38 AM
When you hear cheesy 90s synth patches, it's Derek :D
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on January 03, 2022, 11:36:14 AM
When you hear cheesy 90s synth patches, it's Derek :D

 :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on January 03, 2022, 12:08:04 PM
When you hear cheesy 90s synth patches, it's Derek :D
LOL! Yeah, but no. I love his lead sound much more so than JR's, especially during that performance of Metropolis. I could've done without the platform shoes, feather boa, furry carpet and lame posturing, but not his playing or the patches that he used.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Wim Kruithof on January 03, 2022, 01:44:32 PM
thanks guys, this forum is a blessing.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on January 03, 2022, 01:57:17 PM
I was having a little fun at Derek's expense; I know it became a bit of a thing here coming off some of his comments around the launch of Sons of Apollo.

I haven't listened to this in ages, and have no recollection of Metropolis, other than what has been discussed here. Will see if I can give it a listen this week.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on January 04, 2022, 10:51:39 PM
Ok so I listened to Metropolis today in the van. I tried to be objective when I got to the solo spots, and I gotta say... my predominant thought when either Jordan or Derek were on the keys was "can you guys stop so I can hear more JP?" I bet if I Was there I would have loved that instrumental section, but listening to it today was a bit fo a slog. I could not say which parts are Jordan's and which were Derek's but I do not have an analytical ear by any stretch. I do, however, think I could tell which vocalist was which.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: lucasembarbosa on January 05, 2022, 01:04:32 AM
Ok so I listened to Metropolis today in the van. I tried to be objective when I got to the solo spots, and I gotta say... my predominant thought when either Jordan or Derek were on the keys was "can you guys stop so I can hear more JP?" I bet if I Was there I would have loved that instrumental section, but listening to it today was a bit fo a slog. I could not say which parts are Jordan's and which were Derek's but I do not have an analytical ear by any stretch. I do, however, think I could tell which vocalist was which.

If you use headphones you can "see" the sounds are panned in the position they usually stay in shows: Keys to the left of the audience, guitar slightly to the right, bass, drums and vocals in center. In this case, in the solos, Jordan is hard panned left, JP center and DS hard panned right (audience perspective).
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on January 05, 2022, 04:55:29 AM
I was at the show, and I remember Derek soloed before JR on each round. I would describe Derek's patch as very crisp and distinct in sound, but JR's on that particular song was more muted by comparison.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on January 06, 2022, 04:36:39 PM
Awake Demos (1994)
The remixed and reworked demos of Awake (1994) are available for the first time on vinyl and present one of the most iconic entries in Dream Theater's discography in its original form. With the fan favorites '6:00', 'Space-Dye Vest', 'The Mirror' and more, this original demo recording of Dream Theater's third studio album, the successor to the legendary 'Images and Words', offers a unique insight into the incomparable history of the quintet.
Out on 25.02.2022

Here's a link to pre-order.
https://www.amazon.com/Lost-Not-Forgotten-Archives-Special/dp/B09P2475Z1/ref=tmm_acd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on January 06, 2022, 08:05:31 PM
So the next 3 releases are the Majesty demos, Awake demos and the live show from NY in '93 :metal
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on January 07, 2022, 09:10:54 AM
https://www.insideoutshop.de/Category/AwakeDemos/282?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13&utm_campaign=Newsletter&utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&sfmc_sub=101622822
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 07, 2022, 11:22:52 AM
Jesus fuck, these album covers
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Max Kuehnau on January 07, 2022, 11:50:29 AM
Meant to represent the view (pun not intended) from a kaleidoscope I think.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: lucasembarbosa on January 07, 2022, 03:33:53 PM
Differently from the other releases, this one was "remixed" as well... I hope it was remixed by Jimmy T!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on January 07, 2022, 08:25:52 PM
Differently from the other releases, this one was "remixed" as well... I hope it was remixed by Jimmy T!

Most likely, since, if I'm not mistaken, Jimmy T works for DT full time.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on January 07, 2022, 08:34:54 PM
Jesus fuck, these album covers

I know!

Meant to represent the view (pun not intended) from a kaleidoscope I think.

But why? What does a kaleidoscope have anything to do with DT?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on January 07, 2022, 08:49:05 PM
I'm probably the weird case here but I actually don't mind these kaleidoscope album covers, I even like them. Having said that, the one for the Awake demos looks pretty bad :lol
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 08, 2022, 02:37:41 AM
Differently from the other releases, this one was "remixed" as well... I hope it was remixed by Jimmy T!

Most likely, since, if I'm not mistaken, Jimmy T works for DT full time.

Isn't he their Studio Engineer?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Max Kuehnau on January 08, 2022, 04:16:38 AM
and their monitor engineer too (live)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on January 08, 2022, 07:18:03 AM
Awake Demos (1994)
The remixed and reworked demos of Awake (1994) are available for the first time on vinyl and present one of the most iconic entries in Dream Theater's discography in its original form. With the fan favorites '6:00', 'Space-Dye Vest', 'The Mirror' and more, this original demo recording of Dream Theater's third studio album, the successor to the legendary 'Images and Words', offers a unique insight into the incomparable history of the quintet.
Out on 25.02.2022

Here's a link to pre-order.
https://www.amazon.com/Lost-Not-Forgotten-Archives-Special/dp/B09P2475Z1/ref=tmm_acd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

Awake is such a great sounding album. I guess I'd listen to e demo version of the songs, but I can't imagine listening to it more than once, and I woudn't even be interested in hearing every song.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Nel on January 08, 2022, 09:57:20 AM
My digital music library is in chronological order, so A View From The Top Of The World is just going to be sitting in the middle of a sea of these ugly kaleidoscope covers.  :lol
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on January 12, 2022, 11:25:43 AM
Is there any difference to the Happy Holidays download and the A Dramatic Tour Of Events release besides the running order? ARe they the same files? Sound any different?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on January 13, 2022, 05:24:24 PM
Jesus fuck, these album covers

I know!

Meant to represent the view (pun not intended) from a kaleidoscope I think.

But why? What does a kaleidoscope have anything to do with DT?

They're clearly trolling Mike Portnoy.  :o ;D

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5e/Transatlantic_Kaleidoscope.jpg)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 14, 2022, 09:03:08 AM
lol
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on January 14, 2022, 10:09:06 AM
Jokes on DT - Kaleidoscope is often regarded as TA's weakest album.

Also, The Astonishing is usually abbreviated as "TA", the same abbreviation for Transatlantic, who produce very epic and much loved symphonic prog albums. Meanwhile, The Astonishing has probably been the most divisive album DT has put out since Mangini joined. So...

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on January 21, 2022, 07:33:33 AM
Does anyone who has bought it know why "The Majesty Demos" has 3CDs if its length is 1 hour and 17 minutes?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on January 21, 2022, 08:00:26 AM
Does anyone who has bought it know why "The Majesty Demos" has 3CDs if its length is 1 hour and 17 minutes?

Where does it say it has 3 CDs? Are you sure you aren't mistaking the vinyl release, which would include 3 disks (2 vinyl, 1 CD)?

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on January 21, 2022, 08:20:02 AM
Does anyone who has bought it know why "The Majesty Demos" has 3CDs if its length is 1 hour and 17 minutes?

Where does it say it has 3 CDs? Are you sure you aren't mistaking the vinyl release, which would include 3 disks (2 vinyl, 1 CD)?

-Marc.

Century Media (3CD Digipak): https://centurymedia.store/product/Y4CE487COMBO/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-the-majesty-demos-19851986-3-cd-digipak-digital-download?cp=102832_103046_104294

Amazon (Number of Discs: 3): https://www.amazon.com/-/es/Dream-Theater/dp/B09M8WWZ8C/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_es_US=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=110GPKL3DORS1&keywords=Majesty+Demos&qid=1642778360&sprefix=majesty+demos%2Caps%2C193&sr=8-1
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on January 21, 2022, 08:40:19 AM
That's got to be a mistake.  IIRC the original release was 2 discs, one with the Berklee demos and one with the original demo album release.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: nick_z on January 21, 2022, 08:54:18 AM
Is there any difference to the Happy Holidays download and the A Dramatic Tour Of Events release besides the running order? ARe they the same files? Sound any different?

I never got around to listening to the Happy Holidays set and I'm finally amending that with the LNF release...this is really good! Great performances.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on January 21, 2022, 09:20:17 AM
Does anyone who has bought it know why "The Majesty Demos" has 3CDs if its length is 1 hour and 17 minutes?

Where does it say it has 3 CDs? Are you sure you aren't mistaking the vinyl release, which would include 3 disks (2 vinyl, 1 CD)?

-Marc.

Century Media (3CD Digipak): https://centurymedia.store/product/Y4CE487COMBO/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-the-majesty-demos-19851986-3-cd-digipak-digital-download?cp=102832_103046_104294

Amazon (Number of Discs: 3): https://www.amazon.com/-/es/Dream-Theater/dp/B09M8WWZ8C/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_es_US=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=110GPKL3DORS1&keywords=Majesty+Demos&qid=1642778360&sprefix=majesty+demos%2Caps%2C193&sr=8-1

That's got to be a mistake.  IIRC the original release was 2 discs, one with the Berklee demos and one with the original demo album release.

Yeah, I'm sure it's just a mistake, and as Zircon said, the original was only 2 CDs. I think someone at Inside Out sent vendors the wrong information about the CD set. So far, nothing seems to indicate that there are any other differences in the track list of this release and the original Ytsejam Records release.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on January 21, 2022, 09:40:41 AM
That's got to be a mistake.  IIRC the original release was 2 discs, one with the Berklee demos and one with the original demo album release.
Your post is a mistake, too. It was only one CD that had everything on it.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 21, 2022, 09:57:09 AM
Please God don't let there be 3 CDs worth of Majesty demos.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: bosk1 on January 21, 2022, 10:07:13 AM
Mike Thinks He's Dee Dee Ramone Introducing a Song Song - 12" dance mix

:djhef:
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on January 21, 2022, 10:08:57 AM
That's got to be a mistake.  IIRC the original release was 2 discs, one with the Berklee demos and one with the original demo album release.
Your post is a mistake, too. It was only one CD that had everything on it.  :biggrin:

Was it?...hold on...

https://www.discogs.com/release/2906395-Dream-Theater-Official-Bootleg-The-Majesty-Demos-1985-1986

...dang, you're right. See, I thought so, but Zircon's post made me think otherwise. But yeah, it really is only just one CD, since it's under 80 minutes. I guess Mike figured it was easier that way rather than split it up just to keep the original 6-song demo on its own disc. Maybe Zircon just thought it was 2 CDs because a lot of those early demos releases were two CDs?

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 21, 2022, 10:11:27 AM
Mike Thinks He's Dee Dee Ramone Introducing a Song Song - 12" dance mix

:djhef:
Honestly, I would rather hear that.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on January 21, 2022, 10:53:02 AM
Just confirmed with the images...
Only 1 CD.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/363694924321?hash=item54ade82221:g:AgoAAOSwWRBh6S8z
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on January 21, 2022, 03:07:31 PM
Maybe Zircon just thought it was 2 CDs because a lot of those early demos releases were two CDs?


Indeed.  I had a niggling suspicion I was wrong (hence the "IIRC" in my post), but I had to run to an appointment so didn't take time to double-check.  Thanks to Scotty for the correction.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 21, 2022, 04:28:42 PM
I forgot how good A Vision is...
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on January 21, 2022, 04:36:07 PM
I forgot how good A Vision is...

Quite good! I prefer the version with Charlie, though.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 22, 2022, 01:24:55 AM
I forgot how good A Vision is...

Quite good! I prefer the version with Charlie, though.

I haven't heard that one, but I think I would also like it. I could hear Charlies vocals fitting perfect over that music.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on January 22, 2022, 09:46:30 AM
I forgot how good A Vision is...

Quite good! I prefer the version with Charlie, though.

I haven't heard that one, but I think I would also like it. I could hear Charlies vocals fitting perfect over that music.

It's on the WDADU demos release. That version is about 4 minutes shorter, but it's somehow better. They trimmed all the extra stuff and made it better. Also, Charlie is a better singer overall :P

Hopefully they re-release that one soon.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on January 22, 2022, 09:59:56 AM
I forgot how good A Vision is...

Quite good! I prefer the version with Charlie, though.

I haven't heard that one, but I think I would also like it. I could hear Charlies vocals fitting perfect over that music.

It's on the WDADU demos release. That version is about 4 minutes shorter, but it's somehow better. They trimmed all the extra stuff and made it better. Also, Charlie is a better singer overall :P

Hopefully they re-release that one soon.

Yes! The ‘89 Xmas demos are the treasure of the WDADU demos official bootleg!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Wim Kruithof on January 22, 2022, 11:54:11 AM
I got in these Archives all in and bought them on vinyl, but since the Octavarium Tour pic from 2005 was mis-used on a cover, I began gaining some doubt over this. The band put so much careness and energy in the artwork, the books and the production when they're releasing a new album. And they did not mention these Archives at all at their own official canals. They doesn't seem to care.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: sfam2112 on January 23, 2022, 10:42:27 PM
Please God don't let there be 3 CDs worth of Majesty demos.

Well, if you want to get technical, depending on when they changed their name in '88 or early '89, there are 3 CDs worth of Majesty demos.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: sfam2112 on January 23, 2022, 10:44:05 PM
I got in these Archives all in and bought them on vinyl, but since the Octavarium Tour pic from 2005 was mis-used on a cover, I began gaining some doubt over this.

Which release did they use it on?

Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Wim Kruithof on January 23, 2022, 11:51:10 PM
sfam2112 they used it inside the gatefold of When Dream and Day Reunite.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 24, 2022, 08:38:31 AM
sfam2112 they used it inside the gatefold of When Dream and Day Reunite.
Is that a misuse?  Wasn't that show performed on the Octavarium tour?

Or was it the Train of Thought tour?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on January 24, 2022, 08:39:58 AM
Train Of Thought.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 24, 2022, 08:43:10 AM
Train Of Thought.
Still close enough to be on honest mistake.  Not bad enough to say "they don't care".

Trust me, the audience for these releases is small.  If they didn't care, they wouldn't be coming out at all.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on January 24, 2022, 09:14:25 AM
Trust me, the audience for these releases is small.
But the audience for these releases are going to be the diehards who want everything and are much more meticulous than the average-joe fan. So no, it's not acceptable.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on January 24, 2022, 09:17:46 AM
Not sure if the LNF releases come with any, but one thing that made the Ytsejam releases special were MP’s liner notes to give some background on the recordings.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on January 24, 2022, 09:19:09 AM
And since Inside Out is releasing them, not a band-made label like YtseJam Records, I have to wonder if IO approached the band with the idea for the LNFA as a way to have some income during the pandemic? I know they said they were going to re-release the old YJR stuff at some point, but the timing seems convenient. Either way, they are likely getting a decent amount for these monthly bare-bones releases, especially those insanely expensive and limited signed vinyl sets.

I'm not saying the band shouldn't be making money, but it would have been nice to see a little more care and thought put into these products between using wrong tour pics and the unusual album art. Makes me glad I was able to get all of the YJR stuff when it was new, especially since I've not heard or read any reviews stating that the new remasters are any better than the original releases.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on January 24, 2022, 09:20:17 AM
Not sure if the LNF releases come with any, but one thing that made the Ytsejam releases special were MP’s liner notes to give some background on the recordings.

AFAIK, the LFNA albums just have personnel credits and when/where things were recorded. No multi-paragraph essays or even foreword introductions about the album's material. Like I said above, bare-bones.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on January 24, 2022, 09:44:09 AM
Not sure if the LNF releases come with any, but one thing that made the Ytsejam releases special were MP’s liner notes to give some background on the recordings.
Given that MP's production credits have been removed (at least judging by what I saw on the Majesty demos release) and going by what others have already said about some of the other LNFA reissues, I doubt any of his essays that were on the YJR releases are going to be included on any future releases.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on January 24, 2022, 04:04:06 PM
Not sure if the LNF releases come with any, but one thing that made the Ytsejam releases special were MP’s liner notes to give some background on the recordings.
Given that MP's production credits have been removed (at least judging by what I saw on the Majesty demos release) and going by what others have already said about some of the other LNFA reissues, I doubt any of his essays that were on the YJR releases are going to be included on any future releases.

I don't know what the plans are for future releases once the reissues are completed, but MP's essays really gave you a glimpse into the band. Those releases were special for that.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on January 25, 2022, 06:36:50 AM
Trust me, the audience for these releases is small.
But the audience for these releases are going to be the diehards who want everything and are much more meticulous than the average-joe fan. So no, it's not acceptable.

I think this is right; no matter what the audience size is, you should KNOW that audience and tailor the product accordingly.  You would think the smaller an audience is, the more you'd WANT to cater to them, since the margin for (sales) error is small.   I have a complete set of the Ytsejam releases, and so other than the "new" stuff, I'm not replacing any of the originals simply to "have" this.  It's got to bring SOMETHING to the table, and it sort of sounds like, as directly compared to the old versions, it's taking things off the table.  Not a criticism, since I'm happy with the two I bought, just an observation.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: EPIC Outro on January 25, 2022, 09:45:52 AM

It's been a while since I posted here. Figure it's time to shake the cobwebs off!

My all-time favorite YTSEJAM release is the Falling Into Infinity demos...

Is there any chance these might get a significant remaster when they are eventually rereleased? I would love to have some of these tracks with better sound quality!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: the_silent_man on January 26, 2022, 02:07:26 AM
I guess the main thing it brings to the table is a release to streaming services. This is great for people like me who didn't get most of the original run, but would only check out most of them once for curiosity anyway.

Most people I know don't buy CDs anymore (even I only buy a select few a year from my favourite artists) so spending more time and money on packaging etc seems to be less of a priority than 10-15 years ago.
This is a trend I'm seeing across all music and film release. Simpler, more bare bones releases and save the extra stuff for the super deluxe boxset/ earbook etc. Heck, I was annoyed on the release of A View that there was no CD version with the documentary, you had to buy the big boxset to get it.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 26, 2022, 09:21:38 AM
Didn't the documentary come with the artbook?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Max Kuehnau on January 26, 2022, 09:34:32 AM
Didn't the documentary come with the artbook?
yes it did
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: the_silent_man on January 26, 2022, 03:57:03 PM
Didn't the documentary come with the artbook?
Yes, but that's my point. There was no cd size digipack with the documentary. That would not have been the case 10 years ago. Nowadays seems its either bare bones or fully blown artbook.
I personally did not want to buy the massive artbook that takes up so much room.
Maybe it's just a me problem  :lol
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 27, 2022, 11:20:55 AM
BTW, I played my kid some of the Majesty stuff on Spotify and they said "Are you sure this is Dream Theater?  It sounds like shit!"

Had to agree.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on January 27, 2022, 11:57:52 AM
Lost Not Forgotten Archives: Live in Nyc, 1993 Artwork:
https://gfx67.decks.de/decks/gfx/co_large/front/end_s/cj9-hs.jpg
(decks.de)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on January 27, 2022, 01:22:34 PM
BTW, I played my kid some of the Majesty stuff on Spotify and they said "Are you sure this is Dream Theater?  It sounds like shit!"

Had to agree.

Weren't those tracks all recorded on 8-track and 16-track boards in someone's garage or in the Berklee basements? Of course the recordings themselves sound like shit, but the writing ain't bad for a bunch of 18-20 year-olds. I would have loved to been able to play at that level at that age!

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 27, 2022, 01:31:35 PM
BTW, I played my kid some of the Majesty stuff on Spotify and they said "Are you sure this is Dream Theater?  It sounds like shit!"

Had to agree.

Weren't those tracks all recorded on 8-track and 16-track boards in someone's garage or in the Berkley basements? Of course the recordings themselves sound like shit, but the writing ain't bad for a bunch of 18-20 year-olds. I would have loved to been able to play at that level at that age!

-Marc.
It's not really about how well they are as individual players.  The songwriting isn't there yet (although you can definitely see the seeds that would later grow into what DT is now). 

The songs just aren't that good, IMO.  I cannot foresee a time when I will ever say "I'm in the mood to listen to the Majesty Demos".
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on January 27, 2022, 02:01:45 PM
BTW, I played my kid some of the Majesty stuff on Spotify and they said "Are you sure this is Dream Theater?  It sounds like shit!"

Had to agree.

Weren't those tracks all recorded on 8-track and 16-track boards in someone's garage or in the Berkley basements? Of course the recordings themselves sound like shit, but the writing ain't bad for a bunch of 18-20 year-olds. I would have loved to been able to play at that level at that age!

-Marc.
It's not really about how well they are as individual players.  The songwriting isn't there yet (although you can definitely see the seeds that would later grow into what DT is now). 

The songs just aren't that good, IMO.  I cannot foresee a time when I will ever say "I'm in the mood to listen to the Majesty Demos".

I agree, they're not mind-blowing songs, but you can definitely hear the early-DT (WDADU and IAW) in them. They're rough around the edges but given what they were back then, four years before WDADU, it's not AWFUL music. I spin the demos occasionally just to remind myself where MP, JP and JM all came from as musicians, hearing them play homage to their influences in such blatant and obvious ways (not that they're not STILL doing that). I feel like I have the urge to listen to it more than, say, Genesis' debut album, which is a sort of pre-classic-era collection of songs much in the same way that the Majesty Demos are for DT (since, for a lot of Genesis fans, the band really begins with Trespass).

Weird to think that in about 3 years, those Majesty Demos will be 40 years old. Time certainly flies by, eh?

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on January 27, 2022, 02:19:57 PM
I really like Another Won on Score.  I was hoping they'd dust the other songs off occasionally, so we could get a better-sounding live recording of each (of the demos proper, not the "Berklee demos" snippets on this release).
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on January 27, 2022, 03:35:07 PM
I really like Another Won on Score.  I was hoping they'd dust the other songs off occasionally, so we could get a better-sounding live recording of each (of the demos proper, not the "Berklee demos" snippets on this release).

Out of curiosity, I looked up when the last time was that each of the six Majesty Demos songs were played:

Another Won - April 1st, 2006 at Radio City Music Hall, New York, NY (the SCORE show) (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2006/radio-city-music-hall-new-york-ny-5bd6ab80.html)
Your Majesty - October 23rd, 2002 at Théâtre de la Mutualité, Paris (only live performance since 1986) (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2002/theatre-de-la-mutualite-paris-france-1bd6cdf4.html)
A Vision - October 27th, 1988 at CMJ Metal Marathon 1988 (Gunn Club, Queens, NY, USA) (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/1988/gunn-club-queens-ny-63d6ced7.html)
Two Far - August 16th, 1986 at L'Amour, Brooklyn, NY (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/1986/lamour-brooklyn-ny-6bd6ceba.html)
Vital Star - October 25th, 1986 at Stage Door, Deer Park, NY, USA (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/1986/stage-door-deer-park-ny-7bd6ceb8.html)
March Of The Tyrant - November 28th, 1993 at The Queen's Hall, Edinburgh (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/1993/the-queens-hall-edinburgh-scotland-63d6ced3.html) (This was only as an instrumental outro to "Only A Matter Of Time" on that tour (https://youtu.be/M8IMHZwJYKg), otherwise, the last full performance was at the same show that Vital Star was last played).

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on January 27, 2022, 04:23:30 PM
Didn't the documentary come with the artbook?
Yes, but that's my point. There was no cd size digipack with the documentary. That would not have been the case 10 years ago. Nowadays seems its either bare bones or fully blown artbook.
I personally did not want to buy the massive artbook that takes up so much room.
Maybe it's just a me problem  :lol
CD + Blu ray Digipak
https://www.discogs.com/es/release/20970517-Dream-Theater-A-View-From-The-Top-Of-The-World
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on January 27, 2022, 04:57:07 PM
It's cool to listen to the original 6 proper songs from the demo every once in a while. Cry for Freedom was also part of the batch, but they never properly recorded it, sadly.

I'd like to see them bring A Vision back to the set at some point after all these years.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on January 27, 2022, 05:45:52 PM
BTW, I played my kid some of the Majesty stuff on Spotify and they said "Are you sure this is Dream Theater?  It sounds like shit!"

Had to agree.

 :lol


Weren't those tracks all recorded on 8-track and 16-track boards in someone's garage or in the Berklee basements? Of course the recordings themselves sound like shit, but the writing ain't bad for a bunch of 18-20 year-olds. I would have loved to been able to play at that level at that age!

Probably a 4-track recorder.  It's not so much the recordings that are bad, but most of the songs are what you'd expect from a fledgling band:  primitive and not particularly well-crafted.  Understandable, but it's not stuff that most folks are likely to want to revisit very often.


Weird to think that in about 3 years, those Majesty Demos will be 40 years old. Time certainly flies by, eh?

Especially when you think about stuff that was 40 years old when those songs were written and recorded (stuff by Glenn Miller and Jimmy Dorsey and their orchestras).


Lost Not Forgotten Archives: Live in Nyc, 1993 Artwork:
https://gfx67.decks.de/decks/gfx/co_large/front/end_s/cj9-hs.jpg
(decks.de)

This is one of the few YJR releases I bought.  I originally received a boot of that show on a cassette from a tape trader via the *Prodigy service sometime later in '93.  I had nothing to trade in return, but the guy was nice enough to make me a copy as long as I sent him a cassette and a postage paid envelope.  I'd already heard most everything live by that point, but ACOS totally blew me away, and it was wild hearing how much it changed when it was officially released a couple years later.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on January 27, 2022, 06:23:07 PM

This is one of the few YJR releases I bought.  I originally received a boot of that show on a cassette from a tape trader via the *Prodigy service sometime later in '93.  I had nothing to trade in return, but the guy was nice enough to make me a copy as long as I sent him a cassette and a postage paid envelope.  I'd already heard most everything live by that point, but ACOS totally blew me away, and it was wild hearing how much it changed when it was officially released a couple years later.

A B&P (blanks and postage) trade! I was doing a ton of trades by mail during this time. I also had the Limelight show. I actually put ACOS on its own disc to try and break it down. I don't think I was ever able to. They really cleaned that up when they properly recorded.

Oh, and Paul, you're a Helloween fan..during this time Chameleon had been released but was only on import. But I did have a VHS boot from a show they did in either Germany or Japan on the Chameleon tour. I actually dubbed the Chameleon songs onto a cassette so I could listen to them in the car.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on January 27, 2022, 06:41:33 PM
I cannot foresee a time when I will ever say "I'm in the mood to listen to the Majesty Demos".

I listened to these once maybe 20 years ago, and this is where I have been at ever since.

I will say that I do enjoy Another Won on Score. If the other songs are comparable to that (I cannot say I recall, 20 years and all that...), I would consider buying a release that has those songs recorded at a Score level of quality.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on January 27, 2022, 06:47:47 PM
I will say that I do enjoy Another Won on Score. If the other songs are comparable to that (I cannot say I recall, 20 years and all that...), I would consider buying a release that has those songs recorded at a Score level of quality.

Oh hell yes!


I have literally never heard the Your Majesty from the Lifting Shadows CD. Does that have redone vocals, because James was a trainwreck for actual live performance.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: devieira73 on January 27, 2022, 08:10:46 PM
Unfortunately not. Sure a lot of the Majesty songs does have the potential to be good like the Score's version of Another Won.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TheRich13 on January 28, 2022, 12:35:15 AM
Don’t get me wrong ! I love that these new vinyl releases are coming out , but they’re spittin’ them out every 2 1/2 weeks it seems !! I’m gonna be broke by the time they’re done….I already have more on preorder than I actually received right now … BTW , anyone have a new promo code for Century Media?
Thanks !!!
Rich
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on January 28, 2022, 07:17:44 AM
LOST NOT FORGOTTEN ARCHIVES: LIVE IN NYC - 1993
From Dream Theater’s home state of New York, a homecoming performance at The Limelight, one of NYC’s most iconic clubs of the ‘90s. Including the epic fan-favorite ‘A Change of Seasons’, this set from the quintet’s original tour supporting ‘Images and Words’ showcases one of Dream Theater’s earliest live recorded performances. Re-mastered and available for the first time on vinyl, the release of this classic 1993 concert becomes a quintessential release in the Lost Not Forgotten Archives.
Pre-order CD: https://www.insideoutshop.de/Item/Dream_Theater_-_Lost_Not_Forgotten_Archives-_Live_in_NYC_-_1993_-Special_Edition_2CD_Digipak-/16921
Pre-order vinyl: https://www.insideoutshop.de/Item/Dream_Theater_-_Lost_Not_Forgotten_Archives-_Live_in_NYC_-_1993_-Gatefold_black_3LP-2CD-/16922
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on January 28, 2022, 08:47:34 AM
Weren't those tracks all recorded on 8-track and 16-track boards in someone's garage or in the Berklee basements? Of course the recordings themselves sound like shit, but the writing ain't bad for a bunch of 18-20 year-olds. I would have loved to been able to play at that level at that age!

Probably a 4-track recorder.  It's not so much the recordings that are bad, but most of the songs are what you'd expect from a fledgling band:  primitive and not particularly well-crafted.  Understandable, but it's not stuff that most folks are likely to want to revisit very often.


IIRC from the liner notes, they had two 4-track recorders.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on January 28, 2022, 09:41:43 AM
LOST NOT FORGOTTEN ARCHIVES: LIVE IN NYC - 1993
From Dream Theater’s home state of New York, a homecoming performance at The Limelight, one of NYC’s most iconic clubs of the ‘90s. Including the epic fan-favorite ‘A Change of Seasons’, this set from the quintet’s original tour supporting ‘Images and Words’ showcases one of Dream Theater’s earliest live recorded performances. Re-mastered and available for the first time on vinyl, the release of this classic 1993 concert becomes a quintessential release in the Lost Not Forgotten Archives.
Pre-order CD: https://www.insideoutshop.de/Item/Dream_Theater_-_Lost_Not_Forgotten_Archives-_Live_in_NYC_-_1993_-Special_Edition_2CD_Digipak-/16921
Pre-order vinyl: https://www.insideoutshop.de/Item/Dream_Theater_-_Lost_Not_Forgotten_Archives-_Live_in_NYC_-_1993_-Gatefold_black_3LP-2CD-/16922

 :metal
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on January 28, 2022, 10:46:21 AM
Weren't those tracks all recorded on 8-track and 16-track boards in someone's garage or in the Berklee basements? Of course the recordings themselves sound like shit, but the writing ain't bad for a bunch of 18-20 year-olds. I would have loved to been able to play at that level at that age!
Probably a 4-track recorder.  It's not so much the recordings that are bad, but most of the songs are what you'd expect from a fledgling band:  primitive and not particularly well-crafted.  Understandable, but it's not stuff that most folks are likely to want to revisit very often.
IIRC from the liner notes, they had two 4-track recorders.
Correct.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on January 28, 2022, 09:30:20 PM
I listened to that 1993 show once. Enjoyed it but tend to like my live albums with a bit more... polish, and less... bootleggy? Curious what this will sound like.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on January 28, 2022, 09:33:26 PM
I listened to that 1993 show once. Enjoyed it but tend to like my live albums with a bit more... polish, and less... bootleggy? Curious what this will sound like.

It's not the world's greatest bootleg or anything, but this show is a MUST BUY! The Ytsejam version sounds great!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 29, 2022, 12:55:49 AM
I listened to that 1993 show once. Enjoyed it but tend to like my live albums with a bit more... polish, and less... bootleggy? Curious what this will sound like.

It's not the world's greatest bootleg or anything, but this show is a MUST BUY! The Ytsejam version sounds great!

I agree. My main reason I bought the Ytsejam release was to hear Eve with the samples, and also the early version of A Change of Seasons. I also think it's a pretty decent sounding recording, it does sound good enough for me.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on January 29, 2022, 11:22:05 AM
I listened to that 1993 show once. Enjoyed it but tend to like my live albums with a bit more... polish, and less... bootleggy? Curious what this will sound like.

It's not the world's greatest bootleg or anything, but this show is a MUST BUY! The Ytsejam version sounds great!

I agree. My main reason I bought the Ytsejam release was to hear Eve with the samples, and also the early version of A Change of Seasons. I also think it's a pretty decent sounding recording, it does sound good enough for me.

I meant that the actual bootleg isn't the greatest, but the Ytsejam release is excellent.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 29, 2022, 11:40:46 AM
I listened to that 1993 show once. Enjoyed it but tend to like my live albums with a bit more... polish, and less... bootleggy? Curious what this will sound like.

It's not the world's greatest bootleg or anything, but this show is a MUST BUY! The Ytsejam version sounds great!

I agree. My main reason I bought the Ytsejam release was to hear Eve with the samples, and also the early version of A Change of Seasons. I also think it's a pretty decent sounding recording, it does sound good enough for me.

I meant that the actual bootleg isn't the greatest, but the Ytsejam release is excellent.

Oh, okay...didn't realize you were talking about the bootleg of the official bootleg release.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on January 29, 2022, 12:32:26 PM
Oh, okay...didn't realize you were talking about the bootleg of the official bootleg release.
I think what Timmay was referring to was the original "The Dance of Eternity" bootleg, which was a silver CD set that was released at the end of 1993 and was of the same Limelight show (March 4, 1993). Actually the sound quality is pretty impressive given that it was an audience bootleg. Many people including myself were under the impression that it was a soundboard because it sounded that good. But still it is not anywhere near as good as the legitimate soundboard from MP's archive.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on January 29, 2022, 12:38:35 PM
I got the show trading back in the day. I didn't know it by an actual Bootleg name, or a silver CD. I got it on cassette. Yes, the show was more than listenable, but I think when they pressed it for the silver CD, it was cleaned up even more.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on January 31, 2022, 06:52:11 AM
The Oval Office has always been my holy grail of places to visit... I think given the choice I'd take a visit to Mike's archive.  :)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on February 11, 2022, 12:20:29 PM
Now that the band are back on tour and aren't playing these songs, I'd love to see another release similar to A Dramatic Tour of Events Select Board Mixes/Happy Holidays where they include all the tracks they've performed live the last few tours that haven't seen an official live release from this lineup yet.

Not counting the songs they're currently playing or anything from TA (since I think/hope that'll be a separate release), we have:

Afterlife (2015)
Don't Look Past Me (2017)
A Change of Seasons (2017)
Burning My Soul (2015)
Hell's Kitchen (2017)
Panic Attack (2015)
Constant Motion (2015)
Wither (2015)
The Bigger Picture (2017)
Behind the Veil (2015)

Just make a proper tracklist out of it, and you have a killer 80-minute live set they could fit into one CD and release through the LNFA :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on February 11, 2022, 12:45:08 PM
I'd buy that.  The only dud on the list is DLPM, and I've never personally seen Wither or BTV live.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on February 11, 2022, 01:00:43 PM
Now that the band are back on tour and aren't playing these songs, I'd love to see another release similar to A Dramatic Tour of Events Select Board Mixes/Happy Holidays where they include all the tracks they've performed live the last few tours that haven't seen an official live release from this lineup yet.

Not counting the songs they're currently playing or anything from TA (since I think/hope that'll be a separate release), we have:

Afterlife (2015)
Don't Look Past Me (2017)
A Change of Seasons (2017)
Burning My Soul (2015)
Hell's Kitchen (2017)
Panic Attack (2015)
Constant Motion (2015)
Wither (2015)
The Bigger Picture (2017)
Behind the Veil (2015)

Just make a proper tracklist out of it, and you have a killer 80-minute live set they could fit into one CD and release through the LNFA :metal :metal :metal

Take my money!!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on February 11, 2022, 01:38:52 PM
I'd buy that.

Take my money!!

Now I just need someone from the band's management to read this and we're set :lol
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 11, 2022, 02:47:36 PM
Now that the band are back on tour and aren't playing these songs, I'd love to see another release similar to A Dramatic Tour of Events Select Board Mixes/Happy Holidays where they include all the tracks they've performed live the last few tours that haven't seen an official live release from this lineup yet.

Not counting the songs they're currently playing or anything from TA (since I think/hope that'll be a separate release), we have:

Afterlife (2015)
Don't Look Past Me (2017)
A Change of Seasons (2017)
Burning My Soul (2015)
Hell's Kitchen (2017)
Panic Attack (2015)
Constant Motion (2015)
Wither (2015)
The Bigger Picture (2017)
Behind the Veil (2015)

Just make a proper tracklist out of it, and you have a killer 80-minute live set they could fit into one CD and release through the LNFA :metal :metal :metal
Please no compilations! But them releasing one of the full-length shows from that brief tour they did in 2015? I'd be lined up for that in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on February 11, 2022, 02:49:49 PM

Please no compilations! But them releasing one of the full-length shows from that brief tour they did in 2015? I'd be lined up for that in a heartbeat.

I agree. I mean, I'd take a compilation if one were offered, but my preference would be the same as yours.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on February 11, 2022, 03:47:49 PM

Please no compilations! But them releasing one of the full-length shows from that brief tour they did in 2015? I'd be lined up for that in a heartbeat.

I agree. I mean, I'd take a compilation if one were offered, but my preference would be the same as yours.

The fact that Wither has only ever been played twice in the U.S. is damn shame.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on February 11, 2022, 03:55:07 PM

Please no compilations! But them releasing one of the full-length shows from that brief tour they did in 2015? I'd be lined up for that in a heartbeat.

I agree. I mean, I'd take a compilation if one were offered, but my preference would be the same as yours.

The fact that Wither has only ever been played twice in the U.S. is damn shame.

I saw one of them.  ;D
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: bosk1 on February 11, 2022, 04:01:56 PM
Well, it bores me, so I'm fine with that.  :lol
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on February 11, 2022, 07:19:09 PM
Without analyzing the setlist too much I'd consider buying something like this.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: svisser on February 12, 2022, 01:41:57 PM
I just bought my first one. The upcoming majesty Demos.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on February 17, 2022, 01:51:00 PM
Next Lost Not Forgotten Archives release: ... and Beyond - Live in Japan, 2017

"...And Beyond - Live In Japan 2017" was recorded at the historic Budokan in Tokyo, Japan as part of the "Images, Words & Beyond" Tour  2017.

TRACKLIST
1. The Dark Eternal Night
2. The Bigger Picture
3. Hell’s Kitchen
4. The Gift of Music
5. Our New World
6. Portrait of Tracy
7. As I Am
8. Breaking All Illusions

Out on April, 8th.

https://napalmrecords.com/english/lost-not-forgotten-archives-and-beyond-live-in-japan-2017-digipak-cd.html
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on February 17, 2022, 02:12:39 PM
Next Lost Not Forgotten Archives release: ... and Beyond - Live in Japan, 2017

"...And Beyond - Live In Japan 2017" was recorded at the historic Budokan in Tokyo, Japan as part of the "Images, Words & Beyond" Tour  2017.

TRACKLIST
1. The Dark Eternal Night
2. The Bigger Picture
3. Hell’s Kitchen
4. The Gift of Music
5. Our New World
6. Portrait of Tracy
7. As I Am
8. Breaking All Illusions

Out on April, 8th.

https://napalmrecords.com/english/lost-not-forgotten-archives-and-beyond-live-in-japan-2017-digipak-cd.html

YES! :metal :metal :metal

Missing ACOS, though :'(
hopefully it makes its way to another of these releases
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on February 17, 2022, 02:17:18 PM
That looks totally underwhelming. I remember seeing that set list the first time and thought it was unimpressive. Then I wondered who Tracy was.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on February 17, 2022, 02:28:10 PM
That looks totally underwhelming. I remember seeing that set list the first time and thought it was unimpressive. Then I wondered who Tracy was.

The're just completing their 2017 Budokan show (sans ACOS). Being someone who collects official live versions of DT songs to make the ultimate live playlist with the best version of wach one, I really aprreciate getting these new additions :tup
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on February 17, 2022, 02:31:42 PM
Why couldn't they release the whole damn show at once?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on February 17, 2022, 02:31:53 PM
So....  I'll be that guy, why no ACOS?  Is there a reason it's not being released (bearing in mind I did not add up the times to see if it was a CD space issue).
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: bosk1 on February 17, 2022, 02:33:13 PM
Why couldn't they release the whole damn show at once?
Because
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on February 17, 2022, 02:38:53 PM
Why couldn't they release the whole damn show at once?

I surely would've liked that, but I guess more releases = more income $.

(not saying this is their reasoning, but it could be :P)

So....  I'll be that guy, why no ACOS?  Is there a reason it's not being released (bearing in mind I did not add up the times to see if it was a CD space issue).

They would need a 3 disc release for the whole show, which they might not want to do for these things. Also, it would've been Disc 1, this release; disc 2, IAW in full; and disc 3, just ACOS. Too much hassle just for a single song on disc 3.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on February 17, 2022, 02:41:33 PM
I&W and ACOS should fit on one disc easily.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on February 17, 2022, 02:46:11 PM
I&W and ACOS should fit on one disc easily.

Not with all the extra sections/solos/improvs they added to IAW for that tour.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on February 17, 2022, 02:51:06 PM
I&W and ACOS should fit on one disc easily.

Not with all the extra sections/solos/improvs they added to IAW for that tour.

Oh. Ooops.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Deadeye21 on February 18, 2022, 04:06:18 AM
Next Lost Not Forgotten Archives release: ... and Beyond - Live in Japan, 2017

"...And Beyond - Live In Japan 2017" was recorded at the historic Budokan in Tokyo, Japan as part of the "Images, Words & Beyond" Tour  2017.

TRACKLIST
1. The Dark Eternal Night
2. The Bigger Picture
3. Hell’s Kitchen
4. The Gift of Music
5. Our New World
6. Portrait of Tracy
7. As I Am
8. Breaking All Illusions

Out on April, 8th.

https://napalmrecords.com/english/lost-not-forgotten-archives-and-beyond-live-in-japan-2017-digipak-cd.html

I’m going to get this, because I was very happy to be at that tour. But why the hell are they not also putting the A Change of Seasons encore onto this? I’m actually really disappointed. I get it couldn’t fit on the I&W disc, but it would’ve easily fit onto this disc. Now we just don’t get it?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on February 18, 2022, 06:43:42 AM
Next Lost Not Forgotten Archives release: ... and Beyond - Live in Japan, 2017

"...And Beyond - Live In Japan 2017" was recorded at the historic Budokan in Tokyo, Japan as part of the "Images, Words & Beyond" Tour  2017.

TRACKLIST
1. The Dark Eternal Night
2. The Bigger Picture
3. Hell’s Kitchen
4. The Gift of Music
5. Our New World
6. Portrait of Tracy
7. As I Am
8. Breaking All Illusions

Out on April, 8th.

https://napalmrecords.com/english/lost-not-forgotten-archives-and-beyond-live-in-japan-2017-digipak-cd.html

YES! :metal :metal :metal

Missing ACOS, though :'(
hopefully it makes its way to another of these releases

Next release: Oh Yeah This One, Too! - Live in Japan, 2017

Track listing

1: A Change of Seasons
2: A Change of Seasons
3: Intermission (Abridged)
4: A Change of Seasons
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on February 18, 2022, 06:49:33 AM
If not a separate CD, then a download, at least?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: 425 on February 18, 2022, 10:31:46 AM
I don't tend to like it when bands release an incomplete show, so I'm definitely looking forward to ...And Beyond as a step in the right direction while also being disappointed that ACoS will still be missing. Also excited for the long-overdue release of The Bigger Picture live!

Hopefully someday we get a LNF compilation that cleans up some of the missing pieces, including that ACoS. Maybe those songs from 2015 that gzarruk mentioned plus ACoS 2017. That would be about an hour.

I would also love to see the rest of Once in a Livetime, although I'm not optimistic given that YtseJam never did it, and Another Day from Live at the Marquee. I'd actually love the full Marquee show, but I don't think that's possible given that almost all the vocals were re-recorded.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TheRich13 on February 18, 2022, 10:39:33 AM
Would anyone happen to know the complete list of these LNF vinyl releases so far ?
Reason I’m asking , I have some in my possession already and many more on preorder and it’s kinda confusing and I want to make sure I haven’t missed any .
Thanks so much to anyone that can help me out !!

Rich
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: 425 on February 18, 2022, 10:52:35 AM
Yeah, I was thinking recently that it would be nice to see the OP updated, because it's hard to keep track. I believe this is all of them:

June 2021: Images and Words - Live in Japan 2017
July 2021: A Dramatic Tour of Events - Select Board Mixes
August 2021: Train of Thought Instrumental Demos
September 2021: Master of Puppets - Live in Barcelona 2002
December 2021: When Dream and Day Reunite
January 2022: The Majesty Demos
February 2022: Awake Demos
March 2022: Live in NYC 1993
April 2022: ...And Beyond - Live in Japan 2017
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TheRich13 on February 18, 2022, 11:43:52 AM
Thanks much bro ! And a Kamelot fan too no less !!
Awesome !
Appreciate ya !
…Rich
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on February 18, 2022, 12:18:38 PM
I don't tend to like it when bands release an incomplete show, so I'm definitely looking forward to ...And Beyond as a step in the right direction while also being disappointed that ACoS will still be missing. Also excited for the long-overdue release of The Bigger Picture live!

Hopefully someday we get a LNF compilation that cleans up some of the missing pieces, including that ACoS. Maybe those songs from 2015 that gzarruk mentioned plus ACoS 2017. That would be about an hour.

I would also love to see the rest of Once in a Livetime, although I'm not optimistic given that YtseJam never did it, and Another Day from Live at the Marquee. I'd actually love the full Marquee show, but I don't think that's possible given that almost all the vocals were re-recorded.

"Another Day" IS available; you have to search for it, but it's a b-side to the "Lie" CD single.

I'm with you on wanting the complete shows that went into "Once In A Livetime"; I tried editing together the pieces from the DVD to the CD and from other (official) sources, but it was a holy mess.   
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: 425 on February 18, 2022, 12:35:58 PM
Huh, somehow I didn't know that! Those Awake singles are valuable! I have the single of The Silent Man because of Eve, but I don't have Lie. I'm not going to pay the $58 Amazon price, but I'll keep on the lookout.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 18, 2022, 12:44:29 PM
I would also love to see the rest of Once in a Livetime, although I'm not optimistic given that YtseJam never did it
Almost 100% positive it won't happen. There are bootlegs of the full show, and IIRC, at least a few of the tracks that got cut were due to lackluster performances. You're better off enjoying the 1998 fan club CD, which is the perfect companion for OiaL and fills in most of those blanks.
 
 
"Another Day" IS available; you have to search for it, but it's a b-side to the "Lie" CD single.
....or the Japanese version of L@tM.   ;)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: 425 on February 18, 2022, 01:01:37 PM
I would also love to see the rest of Once in a Livetime, although I'm not optimistic given that YtseJam never did it
Almost 100% positive it won't happen. There are bootlegs of the full show, and IIRC, at least a few of the tracks that got cut were due to lackluster performances. You're better off enjoying the 1998 fan club CD, which is the perfect companion for OiaL and fills in most of those blanks.

I certainly would enjoy the 1998 fanclub CD if I could get it for less than an arm and leg. ;)

But yeah, that covers most of the bases, but I would like to get the full show, even if parts aren't so good (from JLB, I assume). And IIRC at least one song was chopped up on the CD release, so it would be nice to get that restored.



"Another Day" IS available; you have to search for it, but it's a b-side to the "Lie" CD single.

I'd forgotten about this! Those Awake singles had some valuable stuff. I managed to get The Silent Man a while back at a good price for Eve, so I'll keep an eye out for Lie, too.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on February 18, 2022, 04:02:54 PM
Hopefully someday we get a LNF compilation that cleans up some of the missing pieces, including that ACoS. Maybe those songs from 2015 that gzarruk mentioned plus ACoS 2017. That would be about an hour.

 :tup :tup :tup


But yeah, that covers most of the bases, but I would like to get the full show, even if parts aren't so good (from JLB, I assume). And IIRC at least one song was chopped up on the CD release, so it would be nice to get that restored.

Sadly, they did that with Scarred :-\


"Another Day" IS available; you have to search for it, but it's a b-side to the "Lie" CD single.
....or the Japanese version of L@tM.   ;)

Also, IIRC, the Lifting Shadows CD included both UAGM from the Marquee show + BMS from OIALT (same that appeared on the video release for 5YIALT).
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: 425 on February 18, 2022, 05:03:57 PM

But yeah, that covers most of the bases, but I would like to get the full show, even if parts aren't so good (from JLB, I assume). And IIRC at least one song was chopped up on the CD release, so it would be nice to get that restored.

Sadly, they did that with Scarred :-\

That's what I thought it was, and I originally had that in the post, but then I started doubting myself and took it out (I knew it was not the full song, but I couldn't remember if they played the full song and it was chopped or if they didn't play the full song).

Scarred has really gotten the short end of the stick in live releases. OILT was the first live release of Scarred, and then MP skipped it on LSFNY, Budokan and Score because it had that release, but it wasn't even the full song. Finally we get the full song on CiM, but it's... not exactly the best JLB performance. Thinking about it that way, BTFW is practically worth the price of admission for Scarred alone.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on February 18, 2022, 05:05:50 PM

Scarred has really gotten the short end of the stick in live releases. OILT was the first live release of Scarred, and then MP skipped it on LSFNY, Budokan and Score because it had that release, but it wasn't even the full song. Finally we get the full song on CiM, but it's... not exactly the best JLB performance. Thinking about it that way, BTFW is practically worth the price of admission for Scarred alone.

...and they still managed to gunk up the song on the DVD!! Is it the only song with stupid graphics over it??
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 18, 2022, 05:33:51 PM
Scarred has really gotten the short end of the stick in live releases. OILT was the first live release of Scarred, and then MP skipped it on LSFNY, Budokan and Score because it had that release, but it wasn't even the full song. Finally we get the full song on CiM, but it's... not exactly the best JLB performance. Thinking about it that way, BTFW is practically worth the price of admission for Scarred alone.
Well, there is also the official bootleg of the Bucharest 2002 show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUvvpCeNcmk
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on February 18, 2022, 07:21:04 PM
Scarred has really gotten the short end of the stick in live releases. OILT was the first live release of Scarred, and then MP skipped it on LSFNY, Budokan and Score because it had that release, but it wasn't even the full song. Finally we get the full song on CiM, but it's... not exactly the best JLB performance. Thinking about it that way, BTFW is practically worth the price of admission for Scarred alone.
Well, there is also the official bootleg of the Bucharest 2002 show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUvvpCeNcmk

I'm hoping they re-release that show soon through the LNFA. The setlist is excellent :metal
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: 425 on February 18, 2022, 07:36:07 PM
This exactly. I've wanted the Bucharest show since shortly after I got into DT, but it was already sold out on YtseJam by then.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: evilasiojr on February 21, 2022, 06:56:45 AM
https://www.lasercd.com/cd/lnf-and-beyond-live-japan-2017-cd-preorder

It seems like the first set of the 2017 Budokan show is going out as a LNF release. Not sure if ACoS is on the set too or not.

Update: sorry guys, didn't see it had been posted already. But it seems like a real waste not to release ACoS.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: devieira73 on February 21, 2022, 05:06:48 PM
I'm pretty sure if they cut the show intro (I think there was one) and the bass solo, the first set + ACOS could fit perfectly in one disc. I don't know if it's a matter of the rights of the recordings or anything else, if not... it really doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MinistroRaven on February 24, 2022, 12:06:29 PM
DT collectors! There have been some very exciting releases recently as part of our ongoing "Lost Not Forgotten Archives" reissue campaign. We are pleased to announce the latest entry, "...And Beyond Live in Japan 2017", recorded at the historic Budokan in Tokyo on our Images, Words & Beyond tour.
 
Previously released as a Japan-exclusive television broadcast, and subsequently as a live streaming event, this recording from our modern era will be available for the first time on various formats, including vinyl, CD and digital/streaming on April 8, 2022.

Check out all of the "Lost Not Forgotten Archives" releases at https://dreamtheater.net/lnfa
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TheRich13 on March 03, 2022, 06:39:11 AM
WTF ??? I preordered the LNF MAJESTY DEMOS from Century Media on Nov 26 , 2021. Still haven’t received it and although it says my order is ‘in progress” the estimated shipping date is now 12/25/2025 ….!!!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 03, 2022, 08:39:44 AM
WTF ??? I preordered the LNF MAJESTY DEMOS from Century Media on Nov 26 , 2021. Still haven’t received it and although it says my order is ‘in progress” the estimated shipping date is now 12/25/2025 ….!!!

That's pretty upsetting that Century Media is already scheduling their employees to work on Christmas day four years from now.  :-\
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on March 03, 2022, 09:15:45 AM
WTF ??? I preordered the LNF MAJESTY DEMOS from Century Media on Nov 26 , 2021. Still haven’t received it and although it says my order is ‘in progress” the estimated shipping date is now 12/25/2025 ….!!!


It's probably just a placeholder date for "we don't actually know when we're going to receive them."  My amazon order for the same release was also delayed, so I'm assuming a production or transportation delay.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: 425 on March 03, 2022, 10:23:42 AM
Yes, I'm also waiting on my Amazon order of The Majesty Demos, with no ship date provided.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: 425 on March 04, 2022, 09:35:21 AM
And one day later, I've just gotten a notice from Amazon that it shipped. So hopefully y'all's should arrive soon, too.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on March 04, 2022, 10:13:59 AM
And one day later, I've just gotten a notice from Amazon that it shipped. So hopefully y'all's should arrive soon, too.


Indeed, mine is now expected to arrive tomorrow.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Nel on March 04, 2022, 10:37:33 AM
Yeah, they updated mine to today. I saw the vinyl version at the record store almost a month ago. I've been so confused.  :lol
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TheRich13 on March 06, 2022, 02:00:47 PM
It’s cool that they’re putting these out , but seems like the distribution isn’t working out too well … I have more still on preorder than the ones that I actually have in my possession and they’re still shooting these things out every month or so it seems …
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on March 06, 2022, 03:44:01 PM
Just out of curiosity, have any of you guys tried ordering from lasercd.com? They stay pretty much on top of their orders, and they're worth checking out, unless maybe you're trying to get some sort of specific colored vinyl variant.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on March 06, 2022, 03:47:39 PM
unless maybe you're trying to get some sort of specific colored vinyl variant.

Not directing this at you Scotty, but what's the deal with colored vinyl? Why would I f'n care about that? Aw neat, it's blue. cool. OK, let's play it..

How come they don't have colored CDs?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: HOF on March 06, 2022, 03:50:49 PM
Just out of curiosity, have any of you guys tried ordering from lasercd.com? They stay pretty much on top of their orders, and they're worth checking out, unless maybe you're trying to get some sort of specific colored vinyl variant.

Been using them for years and they do a great job!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ErHaO on March 07, 2022, 04:10:30 AM
unless maybe you're trying to get some sort of specific colored vinyl variant.

Not directing this at you Scotty, but what's the deal with colored vinyl? Why would I f'n care about that? Aw neat, it's blue. cool. OK, let's play it..

How come they don't have colored CDs?

I find it visually pleasing. When I play a vinyl, it is very visibly in sight in the middle of the room and colored vinyls offer a nice contrast with my black setup. And in some cases it is the extension of the packages artwork. And I have frames to display them.

Example picture (not mine, just the first hit on google image as an example):

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0105/4542/products/clrcase-wall_b55a37e7-ec83-4266-9b34-70f22e07226c_1000x1000.jpg?v=1632420037)



Also, the vast majority of CD's have prints on them. I rarely see a disc that is entirely silver (yes, the part that contains the data obviously, but not the part you see when it is sitting in a case or player).
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on March 07, 2022, 05:59:51 AM
That's pretty cool that the one picture you found has a picture of our own Millahh in it.  ;) :) :) :)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 07, 2022, 06:17:43 AM
That's pretty cool that the one picture you found has a picture of our own Millahh in it.  ;) :) :) :)
:tup
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TheRich13 on March 08, 2022, 09:54:04 AM
Just got an email from Century Media that my LNFA Majesty Demos vinyl is now pushed back to 8/19/22 …F’n Ridiculous!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Weymolith on March 08, 2022, 12:22:19 PM
Just got an email from Century Media that my LNFA Majesty Demos vinyl is now pushed back to 8/19/22 …F’n Ridiculous!

Odd.. They must be having to doing another pressing, because I've already got mine.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TheRich13 on March 08, 2022, 01:30:43 PM
Hey Wey ,
Great to hear from ya !
I preordered it on 11/26 21 , and apparently there are no refunds on preorders , or I’d get my money back and order it from somewhere else ….so we wait .
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on March 08, 2022, 01:53:32 PM
Just out of curiosity, have any of you guys tried ordering from lasercd.com? They stay pretty much on top of their orders, and they're worth checking out, unless maybe you're trying to get some sort of specific colored vinyl variant.


I try to order from lasercd whenever possible.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on March 08, 2022, 04:19:29 PM
Just out of curiosity, have any of you guys tried ordering from lasercd.com? They stay pretty much on top of their orders, and they're worth checking out, unless maybe you're trying to get some sort of specific colored vinyl variant.


I try to order from lasercd whenever possible.

Same. I used to order a LOT from BurningShed, especially if their releases came with signed postcards, but lasercd has been my go-to for several years now for their low prices and cheap shipping. I got my Star One Revel In Time artbook from them and saved a TON of money by not ordering directly from Arjen's store because the shipping was ridiculous, but I did miss out on him signing the artbook (though I've gotten his signature on several other albums). But yeah, back to lasercd, I would definitely recommend them, especially if you live in the US. Never had any issues with them, and so I'd say go with them over Century Media, who I see gets more complaints from people here more and more often.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TheRich13 on March 08, 2022, 06:11:17 PM
Thanks Marc !
I did preorder some of the newer releases from Laser CD, but like I said earlier can’t get refunds on preorders so the ones I already ordered from Century Media I just have to wait for …
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Curious Orange on March 09, 2022, 02:54:08 AM
https://www.lasercd.com/cd/lnf-and-beyond-live-japan-2017-cd-preorder

It seems like the first set of the 2017 Budokan show is going out as a LNF release. Not sure if ACoS is on the set too or not.

Update: sorry guys, didn't see it had been posted already. But it seems like a real waste not to release ACoS.

Presumably it's so they can release it as a future volume.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: 425 on March 09, 2022, 02:15:34 PM
I finally got my copy of the The Majesty Demos which means that, after being into the band for nearly ten years, I've finally listened to their most renowned trilogy of songs: "John Thinks He's Randy Song," "Mike Thinks He's Dee Dee Ramone Introducing a Song Song," and "John Thinks He's Yngwie Song." And I have to say, they are like nothing I could have imagined. For one thing, the way that the titles are deftly weaved into the lyrics is just astounding.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Deadeye21 on March 09, 2022, 05:56:42 PM
https://www.lasercd.com/cd/lnf-and-beyond-live-japan-2017-cd-preorder

It seems like the first set of the 2017 Budokan show is going out as a LNF release. Not sure if ACoS is on the set too or not.

Update: sorry guys, didn't see it had been posted already. But it seems like a real waste not to release ACoS.

Presumably it's so they can release it as a future volume.

What could they possibly be saving it for though? I can’t see a good point in that.

Unless, maybe they had a recording of DLPM and TLF on the second leg of the I&W tour, plus some uncovered recordings of some of the FII demos from over the years and we’ve got the “unreleased live” album coming up?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on March 09, 2022, 09:22:45 PM
https://www.lasercd.com/cd/lnf-and-beyond-live-japan-2017-cd-preorder

It seems like the first set of the 2017 Budokan show is going out as a LNF release. Not sure if ACoS is on the set too or not.

Update: sorry guys, didn't see it had been posted already. But it seems like a real waste not to release ACoS.

Presumably it's so they can release it as a future volume.

What could they possibly be saving it for though? I can’t see a good point in that.

Unless, maybe they had a recording of DLPM and TLF on the second leg of the I&W tour, plus some uncovered recordings of some of the FII demos from over the years and we’ve got the “unreleased live” album coming up?

I'd be down for that. They also had a couple other Astonishing songs and Spirit Carries On at different shows. Compile all those with ACoS and that would be a cool release.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on March 10, 2022, 09:25:55 AM
Given that we already have an official, complete, incredible live version of ACOS, pairing it with a bunch of reject songs would seem like a huge disincentive to buying.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: EPIC Outro on March 11, 2022, 04:21:58 AM
If you are referring to the Live Scenes From New York version of ACOS, I personally disagree - that section from The Simpsons just ruins it.

And calling those other tunes 'reject' songs boggles my mind. The Spirit Carries On is a reject song? Come on.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on March 11, 2022, 06:58:49 AM
And TLF is in my top 10 DT songs, so for me, THAT'S not a reject song either.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: goo-goo on March 11, 2022, 07:12:02 AM
If you are referring to the Live Scenes From New York version of ACOS, I personally disagree - that section from The Simpsons just ruins it.


Not a fan of the Simpsons section either.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on March 11, 2022, 08:53:37 AM
If you are referring to the Live Scenes From New York version of ACOS, I personally disagree - that section from The Simpsons just ruins it.


Not a fan of the Simpsons section either.

Or that baseball theme.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 11, 2022, 10:00:59 AM
If you are referring to the Live Scenes From New York version of ACOS, I personally disagree - that section from The Simpsons just ruins it.


Not a fan of the Simpsons section either.

Or that baseball theme.

Yup. Totally unnecessary.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on March 11, 2022, 10:26:35 AM
If you are referring to the Live Scenes From New York version of ACOS, I personally disagree - that section from The Simpsons just ruins it.

And calling those other tunes 'reject' songs boggles my mind. The Spirit Carries On is a reject song? Come on.

I was referring to "a recording of DLPM and TLF ..., plus some uncovered recordings of some of the FII demos from over the years."  Obviously "demos" are not rejects, but I'm honestly not sure what an "uncovered recording[]" is, so I made the (perhaps mistaken assumption) that it was referring to songs like Speak to Me and Where are You Now.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 11, 2022, 11:47:55 AM
If you are referring to the Live Scenes From New York version of ACOS, I personally disagree - that section from The Simpsons just ruins it.


Not a fan of the Simpsons section either.

Or that baseball theme.

Yup. Totally unnecessary.
Everything is unnecessary.

The band members each incorporated a snippet they really liked.   JP included the Simpsons theme, JM included the baseball thing, and JR included that ragtime thing.  It's not a big deal, and actually showed their personalities in a way that never happens anymore.  This performance in particular makes me nostalgic (a little bit).
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on March 11, 2022, 12:39:58 PM
If you are referring to the Live Scenes From New York version of ACOS, I personally disagree - that section from The Simpsons just ruins it.


Not a fan of the Simpsons section either.

Or that baseball theme.

Yup. Totally unnecessary.
Everything is unnecessary.

The band members each incorporated a snippet they really liked.   JP included the Simpsons theme, JM included the baseball thing, and JR included that ragtime thing.  It's not a big deal, and actually showed their personalities in a way that never happens anymore.  This performance in particular makes me nostalgic (a little bit).

Right?!  I don't even know what "necessary" means in this context.  This is the sort of stuff that used to make live albums great.  Oh no, JP didn't play two measures of 16th notes!  Would a mechanical, note-for-note regurgitation of the studio version with a little bit of crowd noise in the background really be preferable?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: 425 on March 11, 2022, 12:53:37 PM
I agree with hef and pg. At risk of reawakening the whole debate about the band's current approach to concerts, I like hearing live performances that have some unique personality to them. It would honestly be cool to get a compilation of live tracks that deviate in interesting ways from the studio version if there are still some in the archives that haven't been released (I know various of these have made their way onto YtseJam and fanclub releases over the years).
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: bosk1 on March 11, 2022, 02:24:19 PM
Same here.  That particular rendition of that particular song is a top 2 of all time DT moment for me. 
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: EPIC Outro on March 11, 2022, 02:49:05 PM

I love it when live versions of songs deviate from the studio version. But in the case of ACOS, The Simpsons theme just didn't feel like it fit with such a serious song, in my opinion. It is a cool moment in a live setting, but I didn't care for it in the version of that song immortalized on the Live Scenes From New York album. But I get why others dig it.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on March 11, 2022, 03:35:38 PM

I love it when live versions of songs deviate from the studio version. But in the case of ACOS, The Simpsons theme just didn't feel like it fit with such a serious song, in my opinion. It is a cool moment in a live setting, but I didn't care for it in the version of that song immortalized on the Live Scenes From New York album. But I get why others dig it.

This is my take as well. I love a good alternate live version (BTL and HY at Budokan, Metropolis at LALP or WDADR, the "electric" version of TSM etc.), but those Simpsons and baseball snippets don't really "fit" that song. Jordan's ragtime thing I can live with, but the other two not so much.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: bosk1 on March 11, 2022, 04:07:29 PM

I love it when live versions of songs deviate from the studio version. But in the case of ACOS, The Simpsons theme just didn't feel like it fit with such a serious song, in my opinion. It is a cool moment in a live setting, but I didn't care for it in the version of that song immortalized on the Live Scenes From New York album. But I get why others dig it.

I liked it.  Hard to say exactly what was in the band's mind for that section, even in the original.  Even if we forget about the stuff they threw in for that version, that section of the song has a lot of quirky stuff in it that feels very far from a "serious" tone.  Given the structure and themes of the song, I always viewed it as instrumentally calling back to The Crimson Sunrise and Innocence sections of the song in that it was recalling childhood innocence, but in an instrumental fashion.  Maybe I'm wrong and that is just them having fun going off into prog-wank land for the heck of it.  (Kind of like when I told JP my deep interpretation of Savior in the Square and how cool of a double-meaning that was, and he responded, "Man, that's really cool, [Bosk].  I really wish that's what I was thinking when I wrote that, but it's honestly nothing that profound.")  But either way, it's a crazy, goofy section of the song anyway, so I'm cool with what they did on the LSFNY version, and actually taking it just a bit farther in a goofy direction by, as Hef pointed out, just showing their personalities.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on March 14, 2022, 05:03:11 PM
This official link lists all the stuf announced and released from the LNFA so far: https://dreamtheater.net/lnfa/?fbclid=IwAR1GqRn4SadhTG-TpIURSJ4qGR_HNmqKULIvkVHnO89jl7ih6ME-gd9xBWU
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on March 14, 2022, 07:03:37 PM
Has anyone bought the $250 signed version of the Train of Thought Demos or Master of Puppets?

I'm curious if they'd be signed by Mangini or Portnoy. I'm unsure Mangini would want to sign recordings he wasn't involved in.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on March 14, 2022, 09:16:34 PM
And we know the re-releases are the same as the Ytsejam releases (musically)?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on March 14, 2022, 10:45:32 PM
And we know the re-releases are the same as the Ytsejam releases (musically)?

All the ones on Apple Music have been the same recordings... but I've seen the Awake Demos CD in the store and it says that it's "Remixed and Remastered" on the hype sticker. I think they've all been given a once over by their sound guy (whose name escapes me at the moment). Maybe not a full remix like the Awake Demos, but at least remastered.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: 425 on March 14, 2022, 11:23:43 PM
Has anyone bought the $250 signed version of the Train of Thought Demos or Master of Puppets?

I'm curious if they'd be signed by Mangini or Portnoy. I'm unsure Mangini would want to sign recordings he wasn't involved in.

I suspect the alternatives are not "Mangini or Portnoy," but "everyone including Mangini or just Petrucci/Myung/Rudess/LaBrie." It's not like they're going to get Kevin Moore to sign the 1993 live release or Chris Collins to sign the Majesty demos.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 15, 2022, 06:44:07 AM
Has anyone bought the $250 signed version of the Train of Thought Demos or Master of Puppets?

I'm curious if they'd be signed by Mangini or Portnoy. I'm unsure Mangini would want to sign recordings he wasn't involved in.
Portnoy isn't signing any of these.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Dream Team on March 17, 2022, 07:30:07 AM
Wow, so obviously I hadn't read this entire thread but just discovered last night that When Dream and Day Re-Unite is now available on my streaming service. Needless to say I cranked it.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on March 17, 2022, 07:35:25 AM
Has anyone bought the $250 signed version of the Train of Thought Demos or Master of Puppets?

I'm curious if they'd be signed by Mangini or Portnoy. I'm unsure Mangini would want to sign recordings he wasn't involved in.
Portnoy isn't signing any of these.

I’m going to feel ripped off if my Majesty Demos vinyl isn’t signed by Chris Collins!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Max Kuehnau on March 17, 2022, 08:15:15 AM
And we know the re-releases are the same as the Ytsejam releases (musically)?

All the ones on Apple Music have been the same recordings... but I've seen the Awake Demos CD in the store and it says that it's "Remixed and Remastered" on the hype sticker. I think they've all been given a once over by their sound guy (whose name escapes me at the moment). Maybe not a full remix like the Awake Demos, but at least remastered.
James T. Meslin doing the mixing (or remixing in some cases) and Peter Van't Riet doing the mastering. (who btw both were responsible for the results of Distant Memories)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: 425 on March 17, 2022, 03:18:05 PM
Has anyone bought the $250 signed version of the Train of Thought Demos or Master of Puppets?

I'm curious if they'd be signed by Mangini or Portnoy. I'm unsure Mangini would want to sign recordings he wasn't involved in.
Portnoy isn't signing any of these.

I’m going to feel ripped off if my Majesty Demos vinyl isn’t signed by Chris Collins!

I'm looking forward to the IAW Demos vinyl signed by every singer who auditioned for DT, especially Steve Stone.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on March 18, 2022, 10:05:43 AM
Since they just announced James' new album for May, I'm thinking they might not have a new LNFA release for that month, just like they did with AVFTTOTW.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Dream Team on March 18, 2022, 08:16:39 PM
Yeah so I’ve for the first time ever heard those majesty demos. I recall liking a couple of those songs but don’t remember which. Will listen again tomorrow.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Nel on March 19, 2022, 04:05:59 PM
Got the "Live In NYC - 1993" album today. Hearing James saying things like "this one's from the new album; here's Under A Glass Moon!" is just so surreal to hear. I was four years old when they played this show!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: 425 on March 20, 2022, 02:26:54 PM
This is one of the few Ytse Jam releases I already owned, so I didn't get the new LNF one, but I listened to it again today, and was struck again by what a great show it is. And what a setlist. Every song from the Images and Words sessions except Don't Look Past me plus three of the best songs from WDADU. I'm so glad they've made it accessible to newer fans.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on March 21, 2022, 09:24:24 AM
Got the "Live In NYC - 1993" album today. Hearing James saying things like "this one's from the new album; here's Under A Glass Moon!" is just so surreal to hear. I was four years old when they played this show!

I saw them six days later in Boston and I was 24.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on March 21, 2022, 09:44:48 AM
Got the "Live In NYC - 1993" album today. Hearing James saying things like "this one's from the new album; here's Under A Glass Moon!" is just so surreal to hear. I was four years old when they played this show!

I saw them six days later in Boston and I was 24.

That was opening for Maiden, right?

I had seen them three times by this point.  I'd heard all the material on the NYC release except TLF, Eve and ACOS (I also had heard OAMOT and Moon Bubbles).  I've mentioned before that I first got a tape of this show from a tape trader on *Prodigy.  ACOS blew me away, and it was cool to hear how much the song had changed when it got a studio release a couple years later.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on March 21, 2022, 10:11:29 AM
Got the "Live In NYC - 1993" album today. Hearing James saying things like "this one's from the new album; here's Under A Glass Moon!" is just so surreal to hear. I was four years old when they played this show!

I saw them six days later in Boston and I was 24.

That was opening for Maiden, right?

I had seen them three times by this point.  I'd heard all the material on the NYC release except TLF, Eve and ACOS (I also had heard OAMOT and Moon Bubbles).  I've mentioned before that I first got a tape of this show from a tape trader on *Prodigy.  ACOS blew me away, and it was cool to hear how much the song had changed when it got a studio release a couple years later.

No, opening for Maiden was 6/8/92. The 3/10/93 Boston show was actually my 4th time seeing them. It would’ve been the 5th had it not been for a wicked snowstorm a month earlier. I got on the highway headed to Providence and and I got right off.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Bluefish on March 21, 2022, 05:51:54 PM
I hope that the rendition of A Change of Seasons from the Images and Words & Beyond Tour concert in Japan sees the light a day.  Perhaps, as a previous poster suggested, as part of a compilations of interesting or rarely played songs.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Nel on March 21, 2022, 07:01:20 PM
I saw them six days later in Boston and I was 24.

Damn. What were the crowd sizes like back then? I have no idea how big Dream Theater was in '93. I know Pull Me Under was a big hit at the time, but I have no real gauge for their popularity in the early 90s.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on March 22, 2022, 10:09:37 AM
I saw them six days later in Boston and I was 24.

Damn. What were the crowd sizes like back then? I have no idea how big Dream Theater was in '93. I know Pull Me Under was a big hit at the time, but I have no real gauge for their popularity in the early 90s.

I saw DT on November 12 and 23, 1992, February 12, 1993, and June 3, 1993.  The first show was at a venue that, several years later, was repurposed to this:  https://thelibrarygc.com/7000-garden-grove-blvd-westminster-ca-92683/  (WARNING, possibly NSFW, depending on where you work).  My own local band had played at the club a couple years earlier.  I would say probably not more than a couple/few hundred people.  The second show was at a similar venue that no longer exists.  The third show was at a club in Hollywood, known then as The Palace, and now called The Avalon.  The Avalon's capacity is about 1,500, and I can't really tell you how close to capacity the crowd was, but it was a pretty full house.  When Fates Warning's Parallels lineup reunited for a few shows in 2010, they played at The Avalon.  I think the capacity for the fourth show was probably between 2,000-2,500.  Again, not sure how full it was.

Keep in mind that PMU was released in August 1992.  It's initial success gave DT the ability to tour outside the NY/CT/RI/PA area for the first time.  They played about 125 shows between June 1992 and April 1993 (including shows in Japan, the UK and continental Europe).  The rise of PMU during the early stages of these shows allowed them to play increasingly larger venues.  That said, they were never more than a mid-level metal band.  PMU charted, but it didn't go gold as a single and, as popular as I&W was, it still took two and a half years for a gold certification.  Also, I expect the may have played some larger venues in the northeast.  My area (southern California) was still clinging somewhat to glam metal and embracing grunge.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: javidt on March 22, 2022, 02:07:41 PM
I've just received the live NYC 93 vinyl. It's the first vinyl I've bought from the LNF series and it sounds amazing! i'm very surprised considering the source and how old it is.

I'm thinking of buying When Dream an Day Reunite vinyl after hearing this one.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TheRich13 on March 24, 2022, 12:33:26 PM
Anyone know what the next LNF release will be or when ?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: 425 on March 24, 2022, 02:07:23 PM
So the next one that hasn't come out yet is ...And Beyond - Live in Japan 2017, which is the first set of the Japan show whose second set has already been released. That's coming out April 8.

I hear the next one after that is the FII Demos, in May, but I haven't seen anything official on it.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on March 24, 2022, 02:19:39 PM
I hear the next one after that is the FII Demos, in May, but I haven't seen anything official on it.

Yeah, there's no official post about it anywhere (that I've seen so far). I assumed that since James is releasing an album in May through the same label and basically aimed at the same people that they would just skip May and not release anything until June.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on March 24, 2022, 02:47:04 PM
The Lost Not Forgotten Archives
https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUB-NDpw3_Wlr6G1_w5sF8AZOqGxMwFPS&feature=share
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on March 24, 2022, 02:50:02 PM
Next release: Falling Into Infinity Demos
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/poprock/detail/-/art/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-falling-into-infinity/hnum/10896205?lang=en
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on March 24, 2022, 02:55:15 PM
Next release: Falling Into Infinity Demos
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/poprock/detail/-/art/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-falling-into-infinity/hnum/10896205?lang=en

Wow, nice find! :tup
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: 425 on March 24, 2022, 02:57:18 PM
FII Demos will be a month off for me, since I have the YtseJam release, but I'm glad they're bringing it out so that newer fans can access it. Compared to the other demos they've released so far, it has the most unique content, since it has the five songs that were not included on the album, plus alternate versions of a lot of the songs that did make it.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 24, 2022, 03:25:53 PM
That is definitely the one I am looking most forward to.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: EPIC Outro on March 24, 2022, 04:35:13 PM

Me too. This is my most cherished Ytsejam release. I really hope the new one sounds better than the old release.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on March 24, 2022, 08:48:34 PM
Yay an album that includes songs that weren't good enough to make it on to their worst album! Where do I sign up?

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on March 24, 2022, 08:51:04 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Deadeye21 on March 24, 2022, 10:46:49 PM
Next release: Falling Into Infinity Demos
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/poprock/detail/-/art/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-falling-into-infinity/hnum/10896205?lang=en

I’d be all over getting a vinyl copy of this. Hope they polish it up a little bit, but honestly I’m just glad to have it
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on March 25, 2022, 07:15:45 AM
Yay an album that includes songs that weren't good enough to make it on to their worst album! Where do I sign up?

 :biggrin:

Yeah, I get that reaction, but no.  It's essentially the "Director's Cut" of the album, and honestly, I listen to it more than the regular release, frankly.  For me, "Lines In The Sand" without the guest vocal is worth the price of admission, and "The Way It Used To Be", "Raising The Knife" and "Cover My Eyes" are as good as anything on the record. "Cover My Eyes" is a top 10 DT song for me.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on March 25, 2022, 07:43:38 AM
Yay an album that includes songs that weren't good enough to make it on to their worst album! Where do I sign up?

 :biggrin:

Yeah, I get that reaction, but no.  It's essentially the "Director's Cut" of the album, and honestly, I listen to it more than the regular release, frankly.  For me, "Lines In The Sand" without the guest vocal is worth the price of admission, and "The Way It Used To Be", "Raising The Knife" and "Cover My Eyes" are as good as anything on the record. "Cover My Eyes" is a top 10 DT song for me.

Agreed, and I'd even go so far as to say "Raise The Knife" is about as good as the least favored tracks from the album proper.

Thankfully I own a copy of Cleaning Out The Closet because the FII-session songs sound MUCH cleaner/more polished than the FII Demos versions. In fact, the only songs I go back to on the FII Demos are usually "Burning My Soul" 96 and "Take Away My Pain" 96, especially the latter. I still wish the band would have pulled that version out for a tour but I don't think they have.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: EPIC Outro on March 25, 2022, 08:23:25 AM

For me personally, I would put Raise the Knife ahead of Trial of Tears, but I know I am in the minority with that particular opinion! Speak to Me is fantastic, and I even have a soft spot for Where Are You Now.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on March 25, 2022, 08:27:25 AM
That is definitely the one I am looking most forward to.

This.

It says 1 CD. Wasn’t the YtseJam version 2 CDs?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on March 25, 2022, 08:32:03 AM
That is definitely the one I am looking most forward to.

This.

It says 1 CD. Wasn’t the YtseJam version 2 CDs?

It was. Here's the tracklist for the Ytsejam Records version:

1-1      Raise The Knife   11:40
1-2      Where Are You Now?   7:27
1-3      Take Away My Pain   6:49
1-4      You Or Me   6:24
1-5      Anna Lee   6:36
1-6      Burning My Soul   8:57
1-7      The Way It Used To Be   7:47
1-8      Lines In The Sand   13:32

2-1      Just Let Me Breathe   5:24
2-2      Peruvian Skies   6:47
2-3      Trial Of Tears   12:54
2-4      Cover My Eyes   3:23
2-5      Hollow Years   6:26
2-6      New Millennium   8:19
2-7      Speak To Me   6:25
2-8      Metropolis Pt. 2 (Live Rehearsal Version)

Maybe that's just a typo for the LNFA version? If not, I wonder if they're just releasing the demos for the songs that made it onto the album?

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on March 25, 2022, 08:39:46 AM
I'm guessing it's just a typo.

Btw, there's something I've been thinking about lately. Now that they're all in very good terms with MP again, I wonder if they can work something out so that they can use recordings from Mike's archive for future LNFA releases. I went back to an old MP post about the new stuff he would've released had he stayed with DT, and here's what he said (IIRC in 2012):

Quote
The next batch I was going to work on if things didn't go the way they went was:
--- a compilation of all the Rush Covers (Covers Series)
--- "The Making of SDOIT" (Studio Series)
--- Poughkeepsie, NY '98 (Xmas Unplugged Show - Derek's last show) (Live Series)
and DVD:
--- Several "Pro-shot" BC&SL shows (including Download '09 and the very final show in Tokyo)

I'd be mostly interested in the Poughkeepsie show as it has live versions of most FII demo tracks that didn't make it to the album; and sign me up for a proper BC&SL tour release as well. Hoping these get released someday.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Deadeye21 on March 25, 2022, 08:42:09 AM
The songs left out would’ve made FII a better album. I think what people fail to realise is that the “rejects” aren’t necessarily products of the band’s decision, but a lot to do with the label as well. Hence why a banger like You Or Me turned into You Not Me when Desmond Child get involved, or a song like The Way It Used To Be which contains one of my favourite JP solos not making the record. There’s so much better they could’ve done if the right calls were made, otherwise these demos wouldn’t be so revered.

As to the 1 or 2 cd version, I’ve only seen it as a single CD with a 2 LP set. Maybe, in that case, the CD would have the omitted songs only? I sure hope they haven’t screwed this one like they have …And Beyond
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Nel on March 25, 2022, 09:03:50 AM
Inside Out's promo pic shows 2 discs.

(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/276991854_10160186845875439_8632903067469313965_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=uvMgLMUAKMsAX9nEgY3&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-1.xx&oh=00_AT8n4I_fjtjxlsN2yhpkmDkmcjsd9UC2JHsG6tkLJOjx2w&oe=6242860C)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on March 25, 2022, 09:04:45 AM
Inside Out's promo pic shows 2 discs.

(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/276991854_10160186845875439_8632903067469313965_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=uvMgLMUAKMsAX9nEgY3&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-1.xx&oh=00_AT8n4I_fjtjxlsN2yhpkmDkmcjsd9UC2JHsG6tkLJOjx2w&oe=6242860C)

3LP/2CD makes MUCH more sense.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 25, 2022, 10:05:24 AM
Yay an album that includes songs that weren't good enough to make it on to their worst album! Where do I sign up?

 :biggrin:
Falling Into Infinity, for me, is ranked as low as it is primarily because of the inclusion of roughly half of the songs on the album, at the expense of the better ones that were left off.

Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on March 25, 2022, 10:25:00 AM
Yay an album that includes songs that weren't good enough to make it on to their worst album! Where do I sign up?

 :biggrin:

I've been saying that for years.

My thoughts in a nutshell:

They wrote enough material for a double album, but the label said no.  Boo hoo.  It was a completely reasonable thing for the label to do.  Beyond that, "[t]he label didn’t have an influence on the album."  (J. Petrucci).  The song selection was entirely up to the band.  Did they intentionally leave off songs that they thought were better than the songs they included?  I doubt that.  If those rejected songs were so strong, why didn't they save them for a subsequent album, rather than "burning" them on a fan club release?  There's a quote from MP's old FAQ section (which isn't on his website anymore, and I can't find the quote), where he wrote about how they had to decide what the strongest songs were.

In my opinion, YNM is MUCH better than YOM (and my understanding is that Childs's contribution was only lyrical and that all musical improvements were choices made by JP).  Substituting Raise the Knife for New Millennium, Just Let Me Breathe or Peruvian Skies would have made for a better album.  Otherwise, IMO, CME, STM, TWIUTB and WAYN are complete throw-aways.  Of course, there's more to this release, but I think the demo versions amply demonstrate that a 2-CD version of FII would have been much worse (e.g., both Hell's Kitchen and Lines in the Sand are better on their own than as part of a bloated combo version -- and that's even allowing for the annoying guy's background vocals).


The songs left out would’ve made FII a better album. I think what people fail to realise is that the “rejects” aren’t necessarily products of the band’s decision, but a lot to do with the label as well. Hence why a banger like You Or Me turned into You Not Me when Desmond Child get involved, or a song like The Way It Used To Be which contains one of my favourite JP solos not making the record. There’s so much better they could’ve done if the right calls were made, otherwise these demos wouldn’t be so revered.

...by a vocal, but still very small, minority of the fan base.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: EPIC Outro on March 25, 2022, 11:12:16 AM

I think the majority of the DT fan base doesn't know an alternate version of FII even exists, unfortunately. When I was at Score, some guy next to me had no idea what Raise the Knife was, but he was elated to hear it and spent intermission asking me about the FII demos. Hopefully this new release will raise awareness of these gems.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on March 25, 2022, 11:40:02 AM
The songs left out would’ve made FII a better album. I think what people fail to realise is that the “rejects” aren’t necessarily products of the band’s decision, but a lot to do with the label as well. Hence why a banger like You Or Me turned into You Not Me when Desmond Child get involved, or a song like The Way It Used To Be which contains one of my favourite JP solos not making the record. There’s so much better they could’ve done if the right calls were made, otherwise these demos wouldn’t be so revered.

...by a vocal, but still very small, minority of the fan base.

Isn't that most things though?  I know for me, I don't really care if others like the official version or the Director's Cut better, that's on them.  I don't care if you like Doug Pinnick's painful wailing singing on LITS or not, that's on you.  But I don't think it's fair to dismiss either side.  I'm just glad we have both versions to play and compare and enjoy.  I happen to really like the songs that didn't make the cut, and that's happened too many time with too many bands over the years to draw any conclusions from.  It just is.   
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 25, 2022, 11:48:14 AM
For me, Raise The Knife, Speak To Me, The Way It Used To Be, Cover My Eyes, Where Are You Now are all better than You Not Me, Burning My Soul, Take Away My Pain, and Just Let Me Breathe, and it's not close.  That foursome of songs is the reason that FII was such a huge dropoff from the glory that was I&W and Awake, at the time.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: 425 on March 25, 2022, 11:52:44 AM
I think that even if you totally prefer every choice that was made between the FII Demos and final release, this is still an interesting release to have if you're a fan of the band. You get real insight into the process of how this album was made by hearing earlier versions of songs from the album, you get to hear four songs that you can't easily get anywhere else today, and, even if you totally hate FII for some reason, you get the beginning of how SFAM came to be. That's a far cry from the Awake and ToT Demos, which don't deviate too much from versions of the songs that are available elsewhere (aside from being instrumental in the case of ToT, I guess).


My thoughts in a nutshell:

They wrote enough material for a double album, but the label said no.  Boo hoo.  It was a completely reasonable thing for the label to do.  Beyond that, "[t]he label didn’t have an influence on the album."  (J. Petrucci).  The song selection was entirely up to the band.  Did they intentionally leave off songs that they thought were better than the songs they included?  I doubt that.  If those rejected songs were so strong, why didn't they save them for a subsequent album, rather than "burning" them on a fan club release?  There's a quote from MP's old FAQ section (which isn't on his website anymore, and I can't find the quote), where he wrote about how they had to decide what the strongest songs were.

I think it's not hard to read between the lines of their comments over the years and see that there was disagreement within the band (and probably within the management) over how to approach this album, and that MP's comments sort of make it seem like "band vs. label" because that's how he felt about it. But even he has said pretty openly that part of his frustration during that period was being on the 2 side of a lot of 3-2 votes within the band (the typically speculation is that it was him and JLB), which tells us right there that not everyone in the band agreed with his take. (And "once again outnumbered" in Raise the Knife was about a management decision, which means that the majority of band members were happy with the manager who took them through the FII period.)

That said: I think the point that they (or at last MP) wanted to do a double album, that the label refused, and that the label may well have had good reason for doing so makes this an interesting artifact of that era in music history. Today, no prog band that is signed to a label is going to have any problem making a double album if they want to, because the economics are different, the goals of the labels are different, and because there are more genre-specific specialty labels. Hell, just last year we had a band, of which MP is a member, release three different versions of the same album, two of them longer than CD length, because the band couldn't agree on which version to use and the label was all too happy to put them all out.

So five songs from an album being left on the floor because of a label decision is just not something that you would see anymore, and it's interesting to think about how that change affects the creative process, for better and maybe for worse (if you think that FII is better as a single album, it's "for worse" at least to the extent that, if FII were made today, it would probably be a double).

Btw, I don't know that I'm arguing for a specific point here, necessarily—just sharing some stray thoughts on this release and the history of FII.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: EPIC Outro on March 25, 2022, 11:59:24 AM

I wish DT would rerecord this stuff. Release it digitally. Seems like easy money.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on March 25, 2022, 12:05:09 PM

I wish DT would rerecord this stuff. Release it digitally. Seems like easy money.

Why? It’s about to be released digitally in two months. It’s pretty good quality as is. What’s the point of wasting time and re-recording it?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on March 25, 2022, 12:16:36 PM

I wish DT would rerecord this stuff. Release it digitally. Seems like easy money.

Why? It’s about to be released digitally in two months. It’s pretty good quality as is. What’s the point of wasting time and re-recording it?

Especially given that 2/5 of the band are new members.  No offense to anyone, but I don't have any desire to hear these songs done in the studio by the current band.  The ONLY songs I ever wanted re-recorded were those that don't have James singing. 
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: EPIC Outro on March 25, 2022, 12:25:29 PM

I want as much DT as I can get, both new and old material. Even if they included one re-recorded rarity as a bonus track from time to time on upcoming albums, that would be amazing.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on March 25, 2022, 12:38:08 PM
In fact, the only songs I go back to on the FII Demos are usually "Burning My Soul" 96 and "Take Away My Pain" 96, especially the latter. I still wish the band would have pulled that version out for a tour but I don't think they have.
They did the original versions of both songs during the Fix for 96 and Evening of New Music (in 1997) tours and the last of the Ff96 shows was also an official bootleg - you do remember that, don't you Marc?
 
 
There's a quote from MP's old FAQ section (which isn't on his website anymore, and I can't find the quote), where he wrote about how they had to decide what the strongest songs were.
Correct. An interesting thing is that originally neither YoM nor AL were going to be on the album either, but when they realized they had the space on the CD, they went ahead and included them. In particular YNM ended up on the album because they had worked with Desmond Child on it (I imagine kinda like a "hail Mary" attempt at getting a hit).
 
 
In my opinion, YNM is MUCH better than YOM (and my understanding is that Childs's contribution was only lyrical and that all musical improvements were choices made by JP).
I'd be curious to know where you got that idea - got a link? While DC may not have specifically told JP how to change the song, I would imagine that he did direct JP in what he thought needed to change to make it a hit. The irony of it all is that once JP returned and they recorded the song, they ended up changing the key to (I believe just) the chorus, probably to make it easier for JL to sing.
 
 
I think that even if you totally prefer every choice that was made between the FII Demos and final release, this is still an interesting release to have if you're a fan of the band. You get real insight into the process of how this album was made by hearing earlier versions of songs from the album, you get to hear four songs that you can't easily get anywhere else today, and, even if you totally hate FII for some reason, you get the beginning of how SFAM came to be. That's a far cry from the Awake and ToT Demos, which don't deviate too much from versions of the songs that are available elsewhere (aside from being instrumental in the case of ToT, I guess).


My thoughts in a nutshell:

They wrote enough material for a double album, but the label said no.  Boo hoo.  It was a completely reasonable thing for the label to do.  Beyond that, "[t]he label didn’t have an influence on the album."  (J. Petrucci).  The song selection was entirely up to the band.  Did they intentionally leave off songs that they thought were better than the songs they included?  I doubt that.  If those rejected songs were so strong, why didn't they save them for a subsequent album, rather than "burning" them on a fan club release?  There's a quote from MP's old FAQ section (which isn't on his website anymore, and I can't find the quote), where he wrote about how they had to decide what the strongest songs were.
I think it's not hard to read between the lines of their comments over the years and see that there was disagreement within the band (and probably within the management) over how to approach this album, and that MP's comments sort of make it seem like "band vs. label" because that's how he felt about it. But even he has said pretty openly that part of his frustration during that period was being on the 2 side of a lot of 3-2 votes within the band (the typically speculation is that it was him and JLB), which tells us right there that not everyone in the band agreed with his take. (And "once again outnumbered" in Raise the Knife was about a management decision, which means that the majority of band members were happy with the manager who took them through the FII period.)

That said: I think the point that they (or at last MP) wanted to do a double album, that the label refused, and that the label may well have had good reason for doing so makes this an interesting artifact of that era in music history. Today, no prog band that is signed to a label is going to have any problem making a double album if they want to, because the economics are different, the goals of the labels are different, and because there are more genre-specific specialty labels. Hell, just last year we had a band, of which MP is a member, release three different versions of the same album, two of them longer than CD length, because the band couldn't agree on which version to use and the label was all too happy to put them all out.

So five songs from an album being left on the floor because of a label decision is just not something that you would see anymore, and it's interesting to think about how that change affects the creative process, for better and maybe for worse (if you think that FII is better as a single album, it's "for worse" at least to the extent that, if FII were made today, it would probably be a double).

Btw, I don't know that I'm arguing for a specific point here, necessarily—just sharing some stray thoughts on this release and the history of FII.
Nice post 425! You bring up a good point about the dynamic between the band members and how strongly each felt about each song that they put together during the FII sessions. Unfortunately, I don't know if we'll ever really know the true answer. Even if each of the guys were to talk about it, perspectives change over time and being 25 years ago, I imagine some memories are also hazy, too. One example would be Derek's feelings about Anna Lee. I don't know how he felt originally about the song, but years later, he's spoken negatively about it and even redone it as an instrumental track that ended up on one of his solo albums. So who's to say the same isn't true for some of the other guys, too?

I do think that in general, most bands (including DT) won't want to put out too much material on an album. Just look at the reaction to The Astonishing. Besides the atypical nature of the music, an issue that always seems to crop is that there's too much material. So I doubt we'll probably see another double studio album from DT again.

With that said, I am a bit disappointed by the mentality that the band has stuck to since SFaM of just writing and recording enough material for an album. From the viewpoint even of the band, and certainly some fans like pg1067, some of the songs that they wrote later were stronger than the ones they wrote earlier. Granted, the label basically forced the band to continue writing material until they felt they had enough that they could get behind. Nonetheless, if that was the case then, why would it be different on any subsequent album? The band has repeatedly said that they never have a shortage of ideas and that there are many that end up on the cutting room floor because they can't find a place for them. In particular now that they have their own studio (and so therefore far less financial pressure to work on an album within a certain period of time), why don't they follow their muse and continue piecing all those ideas into complete songs until they begin to feel tapped out, as opposed to just doing enough to fill a CD? More than likely, some of the later songs would be better/stronger than some of the earlier ones which they could then put on the album. Then the others could be used as B-sides, mid-tour releases, soundtracks, compilations, etc. It just always struck me as a missed opportunity and selling themselves short, especially now with the DTHQ.
 
 
I wish DT would rerecord this stuff. Release it digitally. Seems like easy money.
Why? It’s about to be released digitally in two months. It’s pretty good quality as is. What’s the point of wasting time and re-recording it?
Especially given that 2/5 of the band are new members.  No offense to anyone, but I don't have any desire to hear these songs done in the studio by the current band.  The ONLY songs I ever wanted re-recorded were those that don't have James singing. 
I can see both sides, but at the very least, I would like to see them properly remix all the tracks so that their full potential can be realized. They supposedly remixed the Awake demos (why, I don't know) for the LNFA reissue, so I don't think it would be too much to hope for with regards to the FII demos.

Speaking of which, does anyone have both the original Awake demos and the reissue? If so, is there any significant difference between the sound of them?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on March 25, 2022, 04:54:03 PM
In fact, the only songs I go back to on the FII Demos are usually "Burning My Soul" 96 and "Take Away My Pain" 96, especially the latter. I still wish the band would have pulled that version out for a tour but I don't think they have.
They did the original versions of both songs during the Fix for 96 and Evening of New Music (in 1997) tours and the last of the Ff96 shows was also an official bootleg - you do remember that, don't you Marc?

Oh I remember, I more or less meant SINCE the 90s, as in, bringing them *back* out for a later tour, like they've done with, I think, "Burning My Soul '96" and "Lines In The Sand '96", though I can't recall which tour(s) they did those versions of those songs.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on March 25, 2022, 05:33:47 PM
I have no problem with the final product. I’ve loved it since first listen all those years ago. On top of that, I love Once in a Livetime as well, but that’s for another time.

I don’t care for any of the demo versions of the album tracks (besides Take Away My Pain, I love both) it’s the extra songs that make this so desirable for me. I never owned the YtseJam Bootleg but I had all of these tracks on various bootlegs and fan club CDs. All of CDs got dumped in a shitty divorce 10 years ago. Needless to say, I’m really loving these LNF Archives releases.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Weymolith on March 25, 2022, 08:22:08 PM
No brainer for me. Raise The Knife is my favorite DT song.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Deadeye21 on March 25, 2022, 08:45:40 PM

Oh I remember, I more or less meant SINCE the 90s, as in, bringing them *back* out for a later tour, like they've done with, I think, "Burning My Soul '96" and "Lines In The Sand '96", though I can't recall which tour(s) they did those versions of those songs.

-Marc.

World Tourbulence.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on March 25, 2022, 09:22:09 PM
Anyone who knows me knows I do not like to stir the pot, at all. That is as true in real life as it is on this forum. But... I cannot resist stirring the "FII rejects" pot.

Yay an album that includes songs that weren't good enough to make it on to their worst album! Where do I sign up?

 :biggrin:

Yeah, I get that reaction, but no.  It's essentially the "Director's Cut" of the album...

Pushing back... who is the "Director" of FII? Mike has made his feelings known about what FII should have been, but as illustrated in subsequent posts, he is 1/5 apparently equal parts. If the 5 of them got together, in 1997 or 2022, and said "this is our final vision for what FII should have been" I could get behind the notion of a "Director's Cut" but to my knowledge, only Mike has spoken in detail on this. Happy to be corrected if necessary.

For me, Raise The Knife, Speak To Me, The Way It Used To Be, Cover My Eyes, Where Are You Now are all better than You Not Me, Burning My Soul, Take Away My Pain, and Just Let Me Breathe, and it's not close.  That foursome of songs is the reason that FII was such a huge dropoff from the glory that was I&W and Awake, at the time.

Agree on the first part, but not that it isn't close. That 4 for 4 swap makes FII better, but not significantly. But hindsight 20/20 and all that. I wonder if we could time machine this forum back to 1997, post all the material online, with no album context, and have a poll where all those songs ranked, how it would shake out. Bottom line for me, that material would have been a huge dropoff coming off I&W and Awake, regardless of how DT4 ended up.

On topic, I do appreciate the band releasing this material. I have no interest in it, but others are excited for it, and the more excitement for the band and their releases, the better.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on March 25, 2022, 09:32:58 PM

Oh I remember, I more or less meant SINCE the 90s, as in, bringing them *back* out for a later tour, like they've done with, I think, "Burning My Soul '96" and "Lines In The Sand '96", though I can't recall which tour(s) they did those versions of those songs.

-Marc.

World Tourbulence.

Thank you! I wanted to say it was the 2002 tour, but I wasn't entirely sure. I didn't think it was the 03/04 Train Of Thought tour, and definitely not the 05/06 Octavarium Tour. And speaking of the World Tourbulence tour, it would be neat to see the band release a CD set of a show from that tour considering it was the only major tour they never released an audio CD show from the 00s (up to the BC&SL Tour).

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on March 25, 2022, 09:50:30 PM
Oh I remember, I more or less meant SINCE the 90s, as in, bringing them *back* out for a later tour, like they've done with, I think, "Burning My Soul '96" and "Lines In The Sand '96", though I can't recall which tour(s) they did those versions of those songs.
World Tourbulence.
Thank you! I wanted to say it was the 2002 tour, but I wasn't entirely sure. I didn't think it was the 03/04 Train Of Thought tour, and definitely not the 05/06 Octavarium Tour. And speaking of the World Tourbulence tour, it would be neat to see the band release a CD set of a show from that tour considering it was the only major tour they never released an audio CD show from the 00s (up to the BC&SL Tour).
Yeah, those were played during World Tourbulence, one of my favorite tours. When they brought back LitS for the Chaos in Motion tour, they did include the final verse that's only on the demo, but otherwise it was pretty much like the album version. When it comes to TAMP, they only played it on Touring Into Infinity. The interesting thing is, during that tour (and by that, I'm not including the fan club show or the 98 holiday shows), they did a kind of hybrid version that was half demo version and half album version.

Regarding them releasing a show from World Tourbulence, it's always possible, but at least the Bucharest show was released by YJR on video, so you can rip the audio from that until they do release a show.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on March 25, 2022, 10:26:01 PM
Regarding them releasing a show from World Tourbulence, it's always possible, but at least the Bucharest show was released by YJR on video, so you can rip the audio from that until they do release a show.

Judging by how they treated the WDADR re-release, I think they're going to do a just-audio release for both the Bucharest and Santiago shows, so I'd say it's a matter of when, not if :metal
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: 425 on March 26, 2022, 12:00:27 AM
I'm not counting on that. WDADR was released as both audio and video on YtseJam, while Bucharest and Santiago were video-only. Right now I'm just hoping we really do get those video releases, seeing as LNF has been audio-only thus far.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on March 26, 2022, 11:31:32 AM
I'm not counting on that. WDADR was released as both audio and video on YtseJam, while Bucharest and Santiago were video-only. Right now I'm just hoping we really do get those video releases, seeing as LNF has been audio-only thus far.

If WDADR wasn't re-released in video form nor the Budokan 2017 show, I think there's no chance they'll do video releases for the others.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on March 26, 2022, 11:32:25 AM
I'm not counting on that. WDADR was released as both audio and video on YtseJam, while Bucharest and Santiago were video-only. Right now I'm just hoping we really do get those video releases, seeing as LNF has been audio-only thus far.
Not only that - neither complete show would fit on 2 CDs and YJR never released 3 CD sets. Given the stripped down, minimalist nature of the LNFA reissues, I kinda doubt they'd do 3 CD releases either, although I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: 425 on March 26, 2022, 01:04:47 PM
I'm not counting on that. WDADR was released as both audio and video on YtseJam, while Bucharest and Santiago were video-only. Right now I'm just hoping we really do get those video releases, seeing as LNF has been audio-only thus far.

If WDADR wasn't re-released in video form nor the Budokan 2017 show, I think there's no chance they'll do video releases for the others.

Except that those releases were originally video-only, and the implication has been that they intend to re-release the entire YtseJam catalog. It would be a big miss for me if they don't re-release those shows at all, which are my two most-wanted YtseJam releases from those that I don't have.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: EPIC Outro on March 26, 2022, 03:27:43 PM
The one thing I love about that Romania show that would be missing if they do audio only, would be the slow shift from late afternoon to night as the show progressed. Very cool ambiance.

But I do hope they release it on audio too. I would love to have that concert to listen to on the way to work.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on March 26, 2022, 03:30:56 PM
Yeras ago, I had a kid at work rip the audio from both the Bucharest and Santiago shows to CD.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: 425 on March 26, 2022, 03:33:13 PM
Yeah, even though I listen to live audio a lot more often than I watch concert DVDs, I would much rather have video than audio if they only release one format because it is indeed pretty easy to rip audio from DVD if you know what you're doing.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on March 26, 2022, 04:33:32 PM
I'm pretty sure the only item in the YJR catalog in which I have interest is the Bucharest DVD.  If they release an audio-only version I won't buy it.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Dream Team on March 27, 2022, 07:47:04 AM
Should be interesting. I’ve had the Cleaning Out the Closet CD for a long time, but it’s only half the picture. The Score version of RTK kills the studio version imo so I’m curious what this demo version sounds like.

Like Cool Chris, it’s my least favorite album but this at least will spark my interest in the material.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on March 27, 2022, 08:36:57 AM
Should be interesting. I’ve had the Cleaning Out the Closet CD for a long time, but it’s only half the picture. The Score version of RTK kills the studio version imo so I’m curious what this demo version sounds like.

Like Cool Chris, it’s my least favorite album but this at least will spark my interest in the material.

I’m pretty sure it’s the same version. I don’t think it ever got past the demo stage. Same for Where Are You Now, The Way it Used to Be, Cover My Eyes and Speak to Me. I could be wrong though.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on March 27, 2022, 08:57:20 AM
Should be interesting. I’ve had the Cleaning Out the Closet CD for a long time, but it’s only half the picture. The Score version of RTK kills the studio version imo so I’m curious what this demo version sounds like.

Like Cool Chris, it’s my least favorite album but this at least will spark my interest in the material.

I’m pretty sure it’s the same version. I don’t think it ever got past the demo stage. Same for Where Are You Now, The Way it Used to Be, Cover My Eyes and Speak to Me. I could be wrong though.

I remember when I got COTC and I a/b'ed the FII Demos versions to the ones on COTC have a bit more of a polished sound/mix on them. Maybe someone else can confirm this if they have both as well? It's been awhile since I've listened to the demos as I just keep COTC on my phone for listening purposes.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on March 27, 2022, 09:59:32 AM
Should be interesting. I’ve had the Cleaning Out the Closet CD for a long time, but it’s only half the picture. The Score version of RTK kills the studio version imo so I’m curious what this demo version sounds like.

Like Cool Chris, it’s my least favorite album but this at least will spark my interest in the material.

I’m pretty sure it’s the same version. I don’t think it ever got past the demo stage. Same for Where Are You Now, The Way it Used to Be, Cover My Eyes and Speak to Me. I could be wrong though.

I remember when I got COTC and I a/b'ed the FII Demos versions to the ones on COTC have a bit more of a polished sound/mix on them. Maybe someone else can confirm this if they have both as well? It's been awhile since I've listened to the demos as I just keep COTC on my phone for listening purposes.

-Marc.

The ones on COTC were probably mastered and the demos weren’t. All of these LNF releases are apparently “remastered”. So this new one should sound closer to the COTC sound, or better.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: 425 on March 27, 2022, 11:52:24 AM
I would love to hear from someone who has the YtseJam release gets the LNF release of the FII Demos. My policy has been not to buy the LNF releases when I have the YtseJam release, but if there's a noticeable improve in the audio quality of the FII Demos, that might be the one that gets me to break that policy.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on March 27, 2022, 12:22:42 PM
Should be interesting. I’ve had the Cleaning Out the Closet CD for a long time, but it’s only half the picture. The Score version of RTK kills the studio version imo so I’m curious what this demo version sounds like.

Like Cool Chris, it’s my least favorite album but this at least will spark my interest in the material.

I’m pretty sure it’s the same version. I don’t think it ever got past the demo stage. Same for Where Are You Now, The Way it Used to Be, Cover My Eyes and Speak to Me. I could be wrong though.

I remember when I got COTC and I a/b'ed the FII Demos versions to the ones on COTC have a bit more of a polished sound/mix on them. Maybe someone else can confirm this if they have both as well? It's been awhile since I've listened to the demos as I just keep COTC on my phone for listening purposes.

-Marc.

The ones on COTC were probably mastered and the demos weren’t. All of these LNF releases are apparently “remastered”. So this new one should sound closer to the COTC sound, or better.

Yes, I believe they got mastered for the COTC release, so I'm positive the new ones will sound at least better than the original FII demos, and hopefully as good or better than COTC.

Speaking of COTC, now that these 5 extra FII songs are getting released to the mainstream public soon, and with TLF already being available in Greatest Hit (... and 21 Other Pretty Cool Songs), only DLPM and Eve are left without a "proper" release, at least in recent years (though Eve just got a live version out). Hopefully they get them out soon, so more people get to know these; and with this year marking IAW's 30th anniversary, they could release a remastered version with these 3 extra songs as bonus material which are closely related to the album anyway. And IAW + DLPM, TLF and Eve would be about a minute shorter than Awake, so it all fits easily on 1 disc :tup
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on March 27, 2022, 01:32:32 PM
I was hoping when they started doing these, that they would just do an updated COTC. Just remaster and release all the best versions of all the unreleased songs.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 27, 2022, 01:40:56 PM
Should be interesting. I’ve had the Cleaning Out the Closet CD for a long time, but it’s only half the picture. The Score version of RTK kills the studio version imo so I’m curious what this demo version sounds like.

Like Cool Chris, it’s my least favorite album but this at least will spark my interest in the material.

It's the same composition wise as it never went past the demo stage.

The reason for me buying the FII Demos is to hear more of Sherinian's keyboard within Dream Theaters tone.

For this reason, The song I enjoy the most out of the demos is Where Are You Now?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on March 27, 2022, 01:41:35 PM
I was hoping when they started doing these, that they would just do an updated COTC. Just remaster and release all the best versions of all the unreleased songs.

That'd be great, count me in :metal
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on March 27, 2022, 02:22:10 PM
I was hoping when they started doing these, that they would just do an updated COTC. Just remaster and release all the best versions of all the unreleased songs.

I have been hoping they would just tack on "To Live Forever" (one or both versions, 91 or 94), "Eve" and "Don't Look Past Me" on to "A Change Of Seasons" and make it a studio-only EP (just under 40 minutes for those four songs along, over 45 if you include both versions of TLF), and give us a remastered ACOS release. Although ideally, if they wanted all of the same line-up on a single album, they could take the five FII b-sides and put ACOS on the end and make it an hour long CD. Then toss TLF/Eve/DLPM onto a remastered IAW CD (as they would all fit on a single disc, and a 2LP vinyl).

Should be interesting. I’ve had the Cleaning Out the Closet CD for a long time, but it’s only half the picture. The Score version of RTK kills the studio version imo so I’m curious what this demo version sounds like.

Like Cool Chris, it’s my least favorite album but this at least will spark my interest in the material.

I’m pretty sure it’s the same version. I don’t think it ever got past the demo stage. Same for Where Are You Now, The Way it Used to Be, Cover My Eyes and Speak to Me. I could be wrong though.

I remember when I got COTC and I a/b'ed the FII Demos versions to the ones on COTC have a bit more of a polished sound/mix on them. Maybe someone else can confirm this if they have both as well? It's been awhile since I've listened to the demos as I just keep COTC on my phone for listening purposes.

-Marc.

The ones on COTC were probably mastered and the demos weren’t. All of these LNF releases are apparently “remastered”. So this new one should sound closer to the COTC sound, or better.

Yes, I believe they got mastered for the COTC release, so I'm positive the new ones will sound at least better than the original FII demos, and hopefully as good or better than COTC.

Speaking of COTC, now that these 5 extra FII songs are getting released to the mainstream public soon, and with TLF already being available in Greatest Hit (... and 21 Other Pretty Cool Songs), only DLPM and Eve are left without a "proper" release, at least in recent years (though Eve just got a live version out). Hopefully they get them out soon, so more people get to know these; and with this year marking IAW's 30th anniversary, they could release a remastered version with these 3 extra songs as bonus material which are closely related to the album anyway. And IAW + DLPM, TLF and Eve would be about a minute shorter than Awake, so it all fits easily on 1 disc :tup

I knew there was a difference between COTC and the FII Demos. Although I've heard that the remastering on the other Demos released so far improves the sound over the YJR releases, though it was from one guy in a Facebook thread posted by Dream Theater (regarding the upcoming re-release of the FII Demos). I wonder if the FII Demos will sound better this time around as well? Hopefully someone here with the original YJR release and give us a proper comparison review of the new release so those of us who have been skipping the re-releases might have a reason to get the remaster.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on March 27, 2022, 05:51:21 PM
I have been hoping they would just tack on "To Live Forever" (one or both versions, 91 or 94), "Eve" and "Don't Look Past Me" on to "A Change Of Seasons" and make it a studio-only EP (just under 40 minutes for those four songs along, over 45 if you include both versions of TLF), and give us a remastered ACOS release. Although ideally, if they wanted all of the same line-up on a single album, they could take the five FII b-sides and put ACOS on the end and make it an hour long CD. Then toss TLF/Eve/DLPM onto a remastered IAW CD (as they would all fit on a single disc, and a 2LP vinyl).

That's the first proposed, or actual, release I'd consider buying. Though 2 versions of TLF is still 2 too many. I have no desire to own the Change of Seasons EP, I just downloaded that song years ago and called it good. I don't have any desire to own any DT covers. But I'd at least consider what you proposed.

I remember the first time I read about Cleaning Out the Closet on this forum (or whatever version of this forum existed 20 years ago). I thought it was definitely something I had to get my hands on, and was frustrated I couldn't manage to for several years. Then I finally got it, and thought "that is what I have wanted all these years?" It is a nice fan club release, but I am still baffled at the holy grail status is has achieved over the years.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on March 27, 2022, 06:52:27 PM
In addition to the '96 versions of Burning My Soul and Take Away My Pain, don't forget that the demo version of Hollow Years was played live a handful of times in 2010.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: EPIC Outro on March 27, 2022, 09:02:03 PM

I have been fortunate to see the original Burning My Soul, Lines In The Sand, Raise the Knife, and Hollow Years at various live DT concerts over the years. Shame that sort of thing ended with Portnoy's exit.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 28, 2022, 03:11:18 AM

I have been fortunate to see the original Burning My Soul, Lines In The Sand, Raise the Knife, and Hollow Years at various live DT concerts over the years. Shame that sort of thing ended with Portnoy's exit.

Not really. A few years back they did Don't Look Past Me and it went over like a lead balloon.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on March 28, 2022, 06:19:47 AM
I have been hoping they would just tack on "To Live Forever" (one or both versions, 91 or 94), "Eve" and "Don't Look Past Me" on to "A Change Of Seasons" and make it a studio-only EP (just under 40 minutes for those four songs along, over 45 if you include both versions of TLF), and give us a remastered ACOS release. Although ideally, if they wanted all of the same line-up on a single album, they could take the five FII b-sides and put ACOS on the end and make it an hour long CD. Then toss TLF/Eve/DLPM onto a remastered IAW CD (as they would all fit on a single disc, and a 2LP vinyl).

That's the first proposed, or actual, release I'd consider buying. Though 2 versions of TLF is still 2 too many. I have no desire to own the Change of Seasons EP, I just downloaded that song years ago and called it good. I don't have any desire to own any DT covers. But I'd at least consider what you proposed.

I remember the first time I read about Cleaning Out the Closet on this forum (or whatever version of this forum existed 20 years ago). I thought it was definitely something I had to get my hands on, and was frustrated I couldn't manage to for several years. Then I finally got it, and thought "that is what I have wanted all these years?" It is a nice fan club release, but I am still baffled at the holy grail status is has achieved over the years.

But that's just taste; some of us - well, me - don't deal in "holy grail" stuff really, I'm not sure what that even means, but the Cleaning Out The Closet release would be in the upper echelon of DT albums were it an "official" (in the sense of the studio catalogue) release.   I LOVE that album and listen to it regularly.  Two of those songs - TLF '91 and Cover My Eyes - are in my DT top ten, and at least one more - TWIUTB - is close behind.
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Post by: Trav86 on March 28, 2022, 06:41:43 AM
Agreed. If COTC were an official release, it would easily be a middle of the pack DT album, for me. Which I think is saying a lot when you’re comparing unreleased demos to some of the best albums ever made.

Edit: before someone corrects me, the To Live Forever ‘94 and Eve recordings on COTC aren’t demos, I believe. They were actually recorded during the Awake sessions.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on March 28, 2022, 09:08:24 AM
I have been fortunate to see the original Burning My Soul, Lines In The Sand, Raise the Knife, and Hollow Years at various live DT concerts over the years. Shame that sort of thing ended with Portnoy's exit.
Not really. A few years back they did Don't Look Past Me and it went over like a lead balloon.
Here's the thing though - MP didn't drop a song from the setlist just because it didn't get a great audience reaction. If he did, you can be sure that Another Won would've never made it beyond the first two weeks of the 20th Anniversary tour. Same for Raise the Knife, although it wasn't played at every show. But thanks to him not simply catering the the audience when it came to deep cuts and rarities, those songs are much more well known by the audience fanbase, especially since Score was released. So I give props to JP for adding DLPM to the setlist, but am disappointed he didn't keep it in there for the balance of the tour considering that it took up a small fraction of the whole show, much of which was filled with popular DT songs.
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Post by: TAC on March 28, 2022, 09:15:52 AM
I be agree Scotty. He should’ve left that in. There’s value in long term fans seeing a rarity than a short term fan needing a kiss break.

When he dropped The Great Debate on the ADTOE tour, at least he had the fall back of “ the fans want more of the new album” and kept both Outcry and BAI.
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Post by: The Letter M on March 28, 2022, 10:14:51 AM
I be agree Scotty. He should’ve left that in. There’s value in long term fans seeing a rarity than a short term fan needing a kiss break.

Are there a lot of fans making out at DT concerts?  :lol Also, wasn't DLPM only played a handful of times during that tour? A real shame it wasn't played more, but I think it was kind of hard of James' voice considering how difficult some of the vocal parts were, but musically, from some of the YouTube videos I saw, it sounded great. They definitely should've left it in the setlist.


When he dropped The Great Debate on the ADTOE tour, at least he had the fall back of “ the fans want more of the new album” and kept both Outcry and BAI.

They dropped TGD to keep both "Outcry" and "Breaking All Illusions"? Man, that's rough, but if ADTOE wasn't as well received as it was, I'm sure there would've been a bigger outcry (pun intended) when they dropped TGD, which I think is a great song that doesn't get enough attention. I wonder if they'll ever play it again.

-Marc.
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Post by: pg1067 on March 28, 2022, 11:10:09 AM
I be agree Scotty. He should’ve left that in. There’s value in long term fans seeing a rarity than a short term fan needing a kiss break.

Are there a lot of fans making out at DT concerts?  :lol Also, wasn't DLPM only played a handful of times during that tour? A real shame it wasn't played more, but I think it was kind of hard of James' voice considering how difficult some of the vocal parts were, but musically, from some of the YouTube videos I saw, it sounded great. They definitely should've left it in the setlist.

Yes.  Unfortunately, they hadn't yet dumped it when I saw them.  Also unfortunately, I was solo at that show, so no one to make out with.   :lol
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Post by: Setlist Scotty on March 28, 2022, 11:16:30 AM
When he dropped The Great Debate on the ADTOE tour, at least he had the fall back of “ the fans want more of the new album” and kept both Outcry and BAI.
They dropped TGD to keep both "Outcry" and "Breaking All Illusions"? Man, that's rough, but if ADTOE wasn't as well received as it was, I'm sure there would've been a bigger outcry (pun intended) when they dropped TGD, which I think is a great song that doesn't get enough attention. I wonder if they'll ever play it again.
It's true Marc. Initially when they started doing the first full Dramatic shows (by that, I mean not the warm up shows they did in Europe), among the tracks that alternated were Outcry and BAI. For the first week or two, Outcry closed half the shows and BAI the other half, with TGD played at every show in the middle of the set. And then it was dropped, Outcry moved to the middle and BAI closed out all the shows from that point onward.

Interestingly, TGD was played during the warm up leg in Europe, so by the fact that JP decided to keep it in the set for the first run through North America suggests that it must've gotten at least a decent response in Europe. As for it returning to the setlist, I highly doubt it, given how JP seems fairly quick to drop songs from the set that don't get a good audience reaction. Maybe in Europe, but not in North America, and considering that they don't seem to be changing the setlist between tour legs, I don't see it coming back at all.
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Post by: pg1067 on March 28, 2022, 11:19:42 AM
Interestingly, TGD was played during the warm up leg in Europe, so by the fact that JP decided to keep it in the set for the first run through North America suggests that it must've gotten at least a decent response in Europe. As for it returning to the setlist, I highly doubt it, given how JP seems fairly quick to drop songs from the set that don't get a good audience reaction. Maybe in Europe, but not in North America, and considering that they don't seem to be changing the setlist between tour legs, I don't see it coming back at all.

And some of us are incredibly happy about that!
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Post by: Setlist Scotty on March 28, 2022, 11:27:16 AM
Interestingly, TGD was played during the warm up leg in Europe, so by the fact that JP decided to keep it in the set for the first run through North America suggests that it must've gotten at least a decent response in Europe. As for it returning to the setlist, I highly doubt it, given how JP seems fairly quick to drop songs from the set that don't get a good audience reaction. Maybe in Europe, but not in North America, and considering that they don't seem to be changing the setlist between tour legs, I don't see it coming back at all.
And some of us are incredibly happy about that!
Different strokes for different folks. I'm sure there are some DT songs that you love that others loathe and would be happy to never see at a DT show again, either.  :P
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Post by: EPIC Outro on March 28, 2022, 02:10:45 PM

I think Don't Look Past Me would have had much more success if James took a moment or two to give the audience some background on it before they played it live. There was a lot of enjoyable banter on that tour, so I'm surprised they didn't Take The Time (pun intended) to give DLPM a proper introduction.
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Post by: Trav86 on March 28, 2022, 02:31:46 PM

I think Don't Look Past Me would have had much more success if James took a moment or two to give the audience some background on it before they played it live. There was a lot of enjoyable banter on that tour, so I'm surprised they didn't Take The Time (pun intended) to give DLPM a proper introduction.

I thought he did. They didn’t play it here, but from the videos I saw be introduced DLPM and TLF as songs that were left off of I&W. Or something to that effect.
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Post by: EPIC Outro on March 28, 2022, 02:43:46 PM

It is very possible you are correct. For some reason I thought they just jumped into the song without any preamble.
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Post by: pg1067 on March 28, 2022, 03:04:12 PM

I think Don't Look Past Me would have had much more success if James took a moment or two to give the audience some background on it before they played it live. There was a lot of enjoyable banter on that tour, so I'm surprised they didn't Take The Time (pun intended) to give DLPM a proper introduction.

I thought he did. They didn’t play it here, but from the videos I saw be introduced DLPM and TLF as songs that were left off of I&W. Or something to that effect.

This is from the November 8, 2017 show, which was shortly before they dropped it from the set list:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3TjT_GblFc

I don't remember ANYTHING like this from the show I saw a couple weeks earlier (October 26), so maybe they added it.  I think it's pretty funny that James blames its inclusion in the set list on Jordan.  I'm not so sure why it's so hard to accept that the reason why this song didn't go over well is because it's not very good (yeah...I know...opinions, but still).
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Post by: Trav86 on March 28, 2022, 04:18:01 PM
I’m just glad they played it. Even if I didn’t get to see it. They played it 13 times before it got dropped. It’s not like they played it twice and gave up. I’m less disappointed that they dropped it and more sad that most of the audiences didn’t know the song.
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Post by: TheBarstoolWarrior on March 28, 2022, 04:33:09 PM
The theme behind the most recent setlist could be described as heavier and longer, so I wouldn't be surprised if next time they shift towards lighter and shorter.
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Post by: Trav86 on March 28, 2022, 05:28:54 PM
The theme behind the most recent setlist could be described as heavier and longer, so I wouldn't be surprised if next time they shift towards lighter and shorter.

Yeah, it would be nice to have a ballad in the set. Something other than TSCO. I mean, that’s one of my favorites. But it’s played out!
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Post by: Setlist Scotty on March 28, 2022, 05:42:53 PM
I’m just glad they played it. Even if I didn’t get to see it. They played it 13 times before it got dropped. It’s not like they played it twice and gave up. I’m less disappointed that they dropped it and more sad that most of the audiences didn’t know the song.
But the more often it would get played, the more familiar audiences would become with it - especially if it ended up on a live release like Another Won and Raise the Knife.
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Post by: Trav86 on March 28, 2022, 06:26:36 PM
I’m just glad they played it. Even if I didn’t get to see it. They played it 13 times before it got dropped. It’s not like they played it twice and gave up. I’m less disappointed that they dropped it and more sad that most of the audiences didn’t know the song.
But the more often it would get played, the more familiar audiences would become with it - especially if it ended up on a live release like Another Won and Raise the Knife.

Well, I doubt they looked at it that way. They were just trying to make the best show they could for the moment.  They weren’t planning on making a live recording. I’m sure the idea for LNF Archives didn’t come up until the Covid shutdown.
 What you’re talking about is the Portnoy mindset of having a grand scheme for everything. That’s gone.
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Post by: Stadler on March 29, 2022, 06:15:12 AM
I would love to hear from someone who has the YtseJam release gets the LNF release of the FII Demos. My policy has been not to buy the LNF releases when I have the YtseJam release, but if there's a noticeable improve in the audio quality of the FII Demos, that might be the one that gets me to break that policy.

Me too; having said that, though, I have the original Ytsejam version and the COTC version...  I'm not sure I could necessarily notice the difference between the two versions I have unless I was actually A/B'ing them in real time.  We're not talking about Vapor Trails here, or the evolution of the Genesis releases from the first Foxtrot to the 2007 remix/remaster. 
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Post by: gzarruk on April 08, 2022, 12:03:11 PM
"...And Beyond" got released today! Nice to finally have official live versions of Hell's Kitchen, The Bigger Picture and two songs from The Astonishing :metal

Just missing ACOS there, but I guess they'll end up including it in a future release sometime soon.
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Post by: Stadler on April 08, 2022, 12:30:46 PM
"...And Beyond" got released today! Nice to finally have official live versions of Hell's Kitchen, The Bigger Picture and two songs from The Astonishing :metal

Just missing ACOS there, but I guess they'll end up including it in a future release sometime soon.

According to my phone, it's in my mailbox.  :)
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Post by: faizoff on April 08, 2022, 01:34:41 PM
On a side note, I thought I had backed up all the 6 am on Christmas morning gifts that MP sent throughout the years on his forum but I don't appear to have any of them. There was behind the scenes stuff like a teaser or maybe it was a whole track of just his drums from Black Clouds of Shattered fortress.

There was other cool stuff like a video of the NYC crowd volunteering to sing backing vocals on Prophets of War. I'm forgetting the various other things.
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Post by: Nel on April 09, 2022, 11:18:11 PM
Picked up ...And Beyond today. Pretty interesting track list. Nice to see some Astonishing songs get on there. I'll admit, I had to look up what "Portrait of Tracy" was.
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Post by: Dream Team on April 10, 2022, 05:50:05 AM
"...And Beyond" got released today! Nice to finally have official live versions of Hell's Kitchen, The Bigger Picture and two songs from The Astonishing :metal

Just missing ACOS there, but I guess they'll end up including it in a future release sometime soon.

Hmmm, hope it’s gonna be available for streaming.
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Post by: Deadeye21 on April 10, 2022, 06:10:17 AM
"...And Beyond" got released today! Nice to finally have official live versions of Hell's Kitchen, The Bigger Picture and two songs from The Astonishing :metal

Just missing ACOS there, but I guess they'll end up including it in a future release sometime soon.

Hmmm, hope it’s gonna be available for streaming.

…And Beyond? Yeah, it’s already in Spotify and Apple Music and all that, as far as I can tell.
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Post by: The Letter M on April 10, 2022, 07:36:48 AM
I was browsing Amazon this morning and saw the ...And Beyond listing so I figured I'd finally order it. Still sucks that ACOS isn't on it, but I'm hopeful it'll see the light of day eventually.

IIRC, this is only the third NEW release from the LFNA, right? So far it's just been A Dramatic Tour Of Events and the two Images And Words...And Beyond discs, so just four discs total of "new" material. Hopefully this monthly release schedule means they'll put out some newer material as we move along, rather than all re-releases for the rest of the year. I wouldn't mind a full live concert of The Astonishing Tour, though I wonder if they even bothered to record audio for any of those shows. Even though I'm still a bit lukewarm on that album, maybe a live version might help me like the material a bit more?

Other than that, what else could they possibly release from the last 10-11 years that could be interesting? They've had live material from almost every other tour so far since Mangini joined (LALP, BTFW, and DM), so I'm not sure what else they could release that is new from the Mangini-era. Could they even release anything that has been previously unreleased from before Mangini joined, i.e. a BC&SL Tour recording, or other such shows from before Portnoy left? Or would they need Portnoy's permission for those?

-Marc.
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Post by: gzarruk on April 10, 2022, 10:38:05 AM
IIRC, this is only the third NEW release from the LFNA, right? So far it's just been A Dramatic Tour Of Events and the two Images And Words...And Beyond discs, so just four discs total of "new" material. Hopefully this monthly release schedule means they'll put out some newer material as we move along, rather than all re-releases for the rest of the year. I wouldn't mind a full live concert of The Astonishing Tour, though I wonder if they even bothered to record audio for any of those shows. Even though I'm still a bit lukewarm on that album, maybe a live version might help me like the material a bit more?

I agree that they should probably mix in more new releases with the older stuff, but either way it's going to take a while for them to move along towards newer material exclusively, as (without counting the FII demos, which will be out next month), there's still 13 other titles from the original YJR catalog they have yet to re-release (and there's even more if they do the same with the fanclub albums). It's going to be a full year, at least, before we start seeing a lot more "new" stuff coming our way.

As for the bolded, they've said before that they record every single show they do in audio form, so there's definitely a TA live somewhere in their archives. I'd say it's more a question of when rather than if we'll see a live version of TA. I'm just hoping it doesn't take them another year to do it :-\

Other than that, what else could they possibly release from the last 10-11 years that could be interesting? They've had live material from almost every other tour so far since Mangini joined (LALP, BTFW, and DM), so I'm not sure what else they could release that is new from the Mangini-era. Could they even release anything that has been previously unreleased from before Mangini joined, i.e. a BC&SL Tour recording, or other such shows from before Portnoy left? Or would they need Portnoy's permission for those?

-Marc.

From the MM era, they could do TA live (see above), maybe something from their 30th anniversary tour and/or another live compilation album like Happy Holidays/Dramatic Tour was. There's still a bunch of songs played with this lineup they haven't released live versions for yet, including ACOS. Also, we know they actually recorded demos for Distance Over Time, so they could release those too, for the demo series.

As for the stuff prior to 2011, MP is the only one who has those files AFAIK, but now that they're all friends again, I'm sure they could work something out.
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Post by: Trav86 on April 10, 2022, 12:02:39 PM
I’m hoping for a 2015 30th Anniversary show. Being that they were only in Europe, I didn’t attend any of those. It was a pretty cool setlist.
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Post by: RaiseTheKnife on April 10, 2022, 03:26:35 PM
Ordered the "And Beyond" CDs today.  Nice to see more previously unreleased material offered on this site, as its been mostly re-releases of the stuff I got long ago.  Lost But Already Purchased Archives.
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Post by: Stadler on April 11, 2022, 05:51:48 AM
I got my copy over the weekend.  Good stuff; the band all sounds great, and it's interesting to hear the Astonishing songs out of context (I haven't heard this show before).  As a standalone disk it sounds incomplete, but then again we know it to be incomplete.  I'll merge them on my iPod, and it should be much better.
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Post by: Max Kuehnau on April 11, 2022, 06:54:25 AM
I got my copy over the weekend.  Good stuff; the band all sounds great, and it's interesting to hear the Astonishing songs out of context (I haven't heard this show before).  As a standalone disk it sounds incomplete, but then again we know it to be incomplete.  I'll merge them on my iPod, and it should be much better.
which I'll do as well, especially since I attended that tour and I want to listen to the show in actual order (and yes, I know Change O still is missing as of now)
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Post by: faizoff on April 11, 2022, 06:58:23 AM
Any word if ACOS will also be released? I'm assuming it will, just a matter of time?
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Post by: Deadeye21 on April 11, 2022, 09:04:08 AM

IIRC, this is only the third NEW release from the LFNA, right? So far it's just been A Dramatic Tour Of Events and the two Images And Words...And Beyond discs, so just four discs total of "new" material. Hopefully this monthly release schedule means they'll put out some newer material as we move along, rather than all re-releases for the rest of the year. I wouldn't mind a full live concert of The Astonishing Tour, though I wonder if they even bothered to record audio for any of those shows. Even though I'm still a bit lukewarm on that album, maybe a live version might help me like the material a bit more?


-Marc.
Except, not. A Dramatic Tour of Events Selected Board Mixes was released back around Christmastime in 2012. I think it’s just new as a CD itself.
I also hope there’s other new material, but since I wasn’t around for the YtseJam Records release, I’m actually really really happy that they are releasing the old ones again so I can get them. I had never heard their Master of Puppets cover album, so it’s awesome to have that chance!
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 11, 2022, 09:06:46 AM
They have done full soundboard recordings of all shows for years now, so I will be shocked if we don't get a live release of The Astonishing at some point.
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on April 11, 2022, 11:29:29 AM
New bootleg has kind of a muddy mix but my ears adjusted pretty quickly. It's making me remember how much I loved that tour despite James starting to modify melodies and what not. Actually made the thing more exciting.

Even though SC is one of my favorite albums, I always kinda groan when I see DEN on the setlist, then they play it and I'm like, nevermind. That was awesome. Happened again as I listened to the album. James was a bit buried and not to start another discussion of backing tracks, but they were pretty loud for that song. It was actually kind of cool though because I think those are just James as opposed to Portnoy mixed in like on the album. They should have just let James take all of it on the album like they do now and did pre FII.

Also cool hearing TA tracks even though I hate the album. Those two songs are rad though.

The Bigger Picture is one of my favorite DT songs of all time but it doesn't translate as well live. Still sounded great though.

Also I forgot how cool the Portrait of Tracy intro to As I Am was.

All in all, very cool release. So bummed they didn't include ACOS though. 😞
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Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on April 12, 2022, 09:01:44 AM

IIRC, this is only the third NEW release from the LFNA, right? So far it's just been A Dramatic Tour Of Events and the two Images And Words...And Beyond discs, so just four discs total of "new" material. Hopefully this monthly release schedule means they'll put out some newer material as we move along, rather than all re-releases for the rest of the year. I wouldn't mind a full live concert of The Astonishing Tour, though I wonder if they even bothered to record audio for any of those shows. Even though I'm still a bit lukewarm on that album, maybe a live version might help me like the material a bit more?


-Marc.
Except, not. A Dramatic Tour of Events Selected Board Mixes was released back around Christmastime in 2012. I think it’s just new as a CD itself.
I also hope there’s other new material, but since I wasn’t around for the YtseJam Records release, I’m actually really really happy that they are releasing the old ones again so I can get them. I had never heard their Master of Puppets cover album, so it’s awesome to have that chance!

Yes, actually all three could be considered "New to CD" because even the I&W&B stuff had been streamed last year. Nothing released as of yet has been "previously unheard."

I'm hoping for an Astonishing Live release, and a 30th Anniversary Tour release. But I won't be really pumped until they start releasing unheard stuff from Portnoy's era. That's when you know you could get anything. If they're just working with the current line-up stuff, I feel that well will dry up quickly without repeating tours we already have documents of. Black Clouds is still sadly missing any sort of live release. I need that Prophets of War! :P
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Post by: Stadler on April 12, 2022, 09:19:11 AM
Holy Grail for me is still the full Ronnie Scott's show and at least one of the acoustic shows from '95.  I know they are out in trading circles, but I don't really partake there; I'd rather give my money to the band, frankly.
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Post by: Kram on April 12, 2022, 11:33:46 AM
Holy Grail for me is still the full Ronnie Scott's show and at least one of the acoustic shows from '95.  I know they are out in trading circles, but I don't really partake there; I'd rather give my money to the band, frankly.
I would LOVE to get a soundboard boot of both of those.
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Post by: Cool Chris on April 12, 2022, 10:52:37 PM
I cannot imagine what they could release, from any era, that I would be interested at this point. At least in terms of things we know exist.
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Post by: ZirconBlue on April 13, 2022, 08:55:32 AM
I'd love recordings of the joint encore songs they did with Queensryche, but I'm not sure how the rights would work in that case.
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Post by: TAC on April 13, 2022, 10:28:51 AM
I'd love recordings of the joint encore songs they did with Queensryche, but I'm not sure how the rights would work in that case.

Not even sure Queensryche on their own could even figure out their half of the equation..
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Post by: faizoff on April 13, 2022, 10:50:49 AM
I'd love recordings of the joint encore songs they did with Queensryche, but I'm not sure how the rights would work in that case.

Not even sure Queensryche on their own could even figure out their half of the equation..

Did they not already release something? I thought Comfortably Numb or something else was tagged in some release.
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Post by: sfam2112 on April 13, 2022, 12:20:38 PM
I'd love recordings of the joint encore songs they did with Queensryche, but I'm not sure how the rights would work in that case.

Not even sure Queensryche on their own could even figure out their half of the equation..

Did they not already release something? I thought Comfortably Numb or something else was tagged in some release.

They did. Queensryche released "Comfortably Numb" and "Won't Get Fooled Again" from the Seattle show on The Art of Live CD/DVD. I think DT released both of those (or maybe just WGFA) on the Ytsejam boot Uncovered 2003-2005.

But I think Zircon might have been referring to the original songs they played of each other's. Take Hold of The Flame, Peruvian Skies, Real World, and The Spirit Carries On.
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Post by: EPIC Outro on April 13, 2022, 12:30:41 PM
I could be wrong, but wasn't one of the DT / Queensryche songs released on their Dark Side of the Moon official bootleg?
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Post by: ZirconBlue on April 13, 2022, 01:00:18 PM

But I think Zircon might have been referring to the original songs they played of each other's. Take Hold of The Flame, Peruvian Skies, Real World, and The Spirit Carries On.


Correct.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: EPIC Outro on April 13, 2022, 05:59:55 PM

One amusing thing I noticed is that, at the end of "And Beyond..." James says something like "We're taking a break, then we're playing Images and Words!" That is a paraphrase, but I can imagine someone who wasn't familiar with this concert being a little disappointed if they purchased this release only to hear there's a whole Images and Words set they're missing out on lol
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on April 13, 2022, 06:31:03 PM

One amusing thing I noticed is that, at the end of "And Beyond..." James says something like "We're taking a break, then we're playing Images and Words!" That is a paraphrase, but I can imagine someone who wasn't familiar with this concert being a little disappointed if they purchased this release only to hear there's a whole Images and Words set they're missing out on lol

Thankfully there is a sticker in the front that says "This release captures the first set from Dream Theater's 2017 "Images, Words & Beyond" at the historic Budokan in Tokyo, Japan. Previously a Japanese-exclusive television broadcast and a live streaming event, it is now available for fans to own for the first time."

And I'm not sure who would purchase any of the LFNA albums without reading what they're about. But yeah, it would be "funny" if someone only got this disc without the on-package sticker not knowing there was another set. The lack of in-package liner notes is a huge detriment to this series of albums, but at least DT fans who missed out on the YJR releases have a second chance at these albums.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: faizoff on April 13, 2022, 07:23:59 PM

But I think Zircon might have been referring to the original songs they played of each other's. Take Hold of The Flame, Peruvian Skies, Real World, and The Spirit Carries On.


Correct.

That's right, I'd forgotten about those performances. That would be fun to see and hear.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Deadeye21 on April 13, 2022, 09:23:14 PM
I kinda wish that Pull Me Under on the I&W set had been released with the Happy New Year 92 intro. I actually really enjoyed that intro.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on April 14, 2022, 06:31:10 AM

One amusing thing I noticed is that, at the end of "And Beyond..." James says something like "We're taking a break, then we're playing Images and Words!" That is a paraphrase, but I can imagine someone who wasn't familiar with this concert being a little disappointed if they purchased this release only to hear there's a whole Images and Words set they're missing out on lol

Thankfully there is a sticker in the front that says "This release captures the first set from Dream Theater's 2017 "Images, Words & Beyond" at the historic Budokan in Tokyo, Japan. Previously a Japanese-exclusive television broadcast and a live streaming event, it is now available for fans to own for the first time."

And I'm not sure who would purchase any of the LFNA albums without reading what they're about. But yeah, it would be "funny" if someone only got this disc without the on-package sticker not knowing there was another set. The lack of in-package liner notes is a huge detriment to this series of albums, but at least DT fans who missed out on the YJR releases have a second chance at these albums.

-Marc.

Nonetheless, I'm sure someone on Amazon will complain about that in the comments section.  There's always someone who doesn't read, doesn't do their homework, and yet when the product doesn't meet their arbitrary expectations, whines like someone stepped on their penis. 
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 14, 2022, 11:07:48 AM
Imagine having a penis that long and still whining about something instead of living large.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Dream Team on April 14, 2022, 11:31:01 AM

One amusing thing I noticed is that, at the end of "And Beyond..." James says something like "We're taking a break, then we're playing Images and Words!" That is a paraphrase, but I can imagine someone who wasn't familiar with this concert being a little disappointed if they purchased this release only to hear there's a whole Images and Words set they're missing out on lol

I would have to think that anyone who purchased this was aware of the earlier release of he I&W set . . . it's been on my streaming service for awhile now.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on April 14, 2022, 01:24:48 PM
Imagine having a penis that long and still whining about something instead of living large.

HAHAHA, that's the way to look at it!  :)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Spider In The Sky on April 19, 2022, 09:43:02 PM
I don't have any of these.... how many are there... which are the best ones?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on April 20, 2022, 11:48:44 PM
Got my CD copy of "And Beyond" today.  Arrived all the way from France.  Great mix on the album, as I can hear everything clearly.  The sticker on the front mentions that this was "previously a Japan exclusive television broadcast and a live streaming event.  It is now available for the first time for the fans to own."  However, I recall that the live stream was only the Images and Words portion, correct?  My mind is a bit foggy on that. 

The opening to Hell's Kitchen seems to reference Voices for a bar or two, did anyone else think that?  Strangely enough, my favorite track for this release might be Our New World - just sounds crisp and lively.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: 425 on April 21, 2022, 12:53:02 PM
I don't have any of these.... how many are there... which are the best ones?

There are currently nine, with new ones releasing each month. The majority of them are re-releases of CDs that were released by YtseJam Records in the 2000s, so if you're a long-time fan, you might already have some of them.

Three of the current releases, and the new one coming out next month, are demos. These are:

The other six releases are live performances:

These releases offer different things that might be of greater or less interest to you depending on what you like and what you're interested in. Here are the ones that I think are likely to be of most general interest to Dream Theater fans, with a little bit of why you might find them interesting.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on April 21, 2022, 05:47:27 PM
Next release:
Lost Not Forgotten Archives: The Number Of The Beast
https://napalmrecords.com/english/lost-not-forgotten-archives-the-number-of-the-beast-2002-digipak-cd.html
On this installment of DREAM THEATER's "Lost Not Forgotten Archives" series, the band devotes itself to a very special live recording from 2002, on which the band played through the IRON MAIDEN album "Number Of The Beast" in its entirety.

10.06.22
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on April 21, 2022, 05:57:07 PM
As much as I love TNOTB, I personally can't recommend it. I believe there's quite a bit of "not live" vocals. The vocals sound like they were recorded in a bathroom.

The Osaka 4-24-04 boot is so much better. It's done a year and a half later, and Jordan fleshed his keyboard parts out a lot more than when they recorded the Paris version.
If you can get your hands on the Osaka boot, it's a much better performance.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on April 21, 2022, 08:34:37 PM
Didn't Bruce question the rationale behind an established band playing that album in full and recording it for release?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on April 21, 2022, 08:37:46 PM
Not interested in anything from the cover series myself, so looking forward to July's release :P
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on April 21, 2022, 08:38:26 PM
Not interested in anything from the cover series myself, so looking forward to July's release :P

Their cover of Live In Japan is awesome though!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 21, 2022, 09:33:00 PM


I don't remember ANYTHING like this from the show I saw a couple weeks earlier (October 26), so maybe they added it.  I think it's pretty funny that James blames its inclusion in the set list on Jordan.  I'm not so sure why it's so hard to accept that the reason why this song didn't go over well is because it's not very good (yeah...I know...opinions, but still).

I agree with this.  Don't Look Past me is a solid tune, but if fans weren't loving it live, it is easy to see why.  And maybe the band felt like, "Okay, the fans aren't loving it, and we really have a zillion songs that are way better, so let's cut our losses now and get this dead weight out of the set list." Seems reasonable to me.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on April 21, 2022, 10:50:38 PM
Hey 425, you put in significant effort answering that question with a thorough and detailed overview of the archives releases, and I thought you should get some props for that.  Nicely done.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on April 21, 2022, 11:24:08 PM
  • Live in NYC is a full show from the Images and Words tour. The band is really on the top of their game, with a ton of great performances. Plus, you get three hard-to-find songs: To Live Forever, Eve and the 1993 version of A Change of Seasons.
  • When Dream and Day Reunite is of special interest to people who aren't fans of Charlie Dominici's voice on the first album. This is a live performance of the full album with James singing. It also includes To Live Forever and Metropolis with Charlie and Derek Sherinian as guests.
  • A Dramatic Tour of Events is a great 2CD selection of live songs, including some what don't have any other live version or are pretty rare: The Count of Tuscany, The Great Debate, To Live Forever. But don't be deceived by the title: Nothing from the ADTOE album is on here. This covers all the songs played on that tour that were not on Live at Luna Park. Also, this was a free release for fans around Christmas 2013, so check to make sure that you don't already have it under the name "Happy Holidays 2013."

For being a rare, hard-to-find song, To Live Forever sure finds itself on a damn lot of releases! And that list doesn't include Live in Tokyo, 5 Years in a Livetime, the Greatest Hit... compliation, and on the Cleaning Out the Closet CD (twice!)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Nel on April 22, 2022, 12:05:08 AM
So that's Master of Puppets and The Number of the Beast. They did a Dark Side of the Moon concert too, didn't they? Or am I crazy?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: 425 on April 22, 2022, 12:28:23 AM
Hey 425, you put in significant effort answering that question with a thorough and detailed overview of the archives releases, and I thought you should get some props for that.  Nicely done.

Thanks!


  • Live in NYC is a full show from the Images and Words tour. The band is really on the top of their game, with a ton of great performances. Plus, you get three hard-to-find songs: To Live Forever, Eve and the 1993 version of A Change of Seasons.
  • When Dream and Day Reunite is of special interest to people who aren't fans of Charlie Dominici's voice on the first album. This is a live performance of the full album with James singing. It also includes To Live Forever and Metropolis with Charlie and Derek Sherinian as guests.
  • A Dramatic Tour of Events is a great 2CD selection of live songs, including some what don't have any other live version or are pretty rare: The Count of Tuscany, The Great Debate, To Live Forever. But don't be deceived by the title: Nothing from the ADTOE album is on here. This covers all the songs played on that tour that were not on Live at Luna Park. Also, this was a free release for fans around Christmas 2013, so check to make sure that you don't already have it under the name "Happy Holidays 2013."

For being a rare, hard-to-find song, To Live Forever sure finds itself on a damn lot of releases! And that list doesn't include Live in Tokyo, 5 Years in a Livetime, the Greatest Hit... compliation, and on the Cleaning Out the Closet CD (twice!)

Definitely true that it's been released a lot of times! I do regard it as a rarity because it wasn't on a studio album or any of the official live albums that are widely available today. During the years in between YtseJam and Lost Not Forgotten, the only easy places to get an audio version of it were Greatest Hit and Happy Holidays (don't remember how long that was available for download). With LNF, this song is now much more accessible.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 22, 2022, 06:46:02 AM
As much as I love TNOTB, I personally can't recommend it. I believe there's quite a bit of "not live" vocals. The vocals sound like they were recorded in a bathroom.

The Osaka 4-24-04 boot is so much better. It's done a year and a half later, and Jordan fleshed his keyboard parts out a lot more than when they recorded the Paris version.
If you can get your hands on the Osaka boot, it's a much better performance.
I agree.  That's a fantastic boot.

So that's Master of Puppets and The Number of the Beast. They did a Dark Side of the Moon concert too, didn't they? Or am I crazy?
You're not crazy.  Not only did they do Dark Side of the Moon, but they released a DVD recording of it, which is fantastic.

I suppose it would be too much to hope for to get the DVD releases from Ytsejam Records remastered for Blu-Ray release.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Tomislav95 on April 22, 2022, 06:55:31 AM
Are there plans for re-release of Cleaning out the closet? I know it's not part of YtseJam record series but it's the only one I'd like to pick up since it has studio versions of b-sides, all of which I absolutely love.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 22, 2022, 07:14:14 AM
Are there plans for re-release of Cleaning out the closet? I know it's not part of YtseJam record series but it's the only one I'd like to pick up since it has studio versions of b-sides, all of which I absolutely love.
I doubt it, and yes that is the one I would want most.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on April 22, 2022, 08:59:08 AM


I don't remember ANYTHING like this from the show I saw a couple weeks earlier (October 26), so maybe they added it.  I think it's pretty funny that James blames its inclusion in the set list on Jordan.  I'm not so sure why it's so hard to accept that the reason why this song didn't go over well is because it's not very good (yeah...I know...opinions, but still).

I agree with this.  Don't Look Past me is a solid tune, but if fans weren't loving it live, it is easy to see why.  And maybe the band felt like, "Okay, the fans aren't loving it, and we really have a zillion songs that are way better, so let's cut our losses now and get this dead weight out of the set list." Seems reasonable to me.

As a fan of that song I don't think it's as cut and dry as that.  Some GREAT songs just don't translate live. Some GREAT songs just don't feel right to the performers.   There are a 100 reasons for a song to be dropped that aren't limited to "that song blows".
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on April 22, 2022, 11:46:40 AM


I don't remember ANYTHING like this from the show I saw a couple weeks earlier (October 26), so maybe they added it.  I think it's pretty funny that James blames its inclusion in the set list on Jordan.  I'm not so sure why it's so hard to accept that the reason why this song didn't go over well is because it's not very good (yeah...I know...opinions, but still).

I agree with this.  Don't Look Past me is a solid tune, but if fans weren't loving it live, it is easy to see why.  And maybe the band felt like, "Okay, the fans aren't loving it, and we really have a zillion songs that are way better, so let's cut our losses now and get this dead weight out of the set list." Seems reasonable to me.

As a fan of that song I don't think it's as cut and dry as that.  Some GREAT songs just don't translate live. Some GREAT songs just don't feel right to the performers.   There are a 100 reasons for a song to be dropped that aren't limited to "that song blows".
Well JP stated somewhere that the reason why DLPM and TLF ended up getting dropped was because they weren't getting a major reaction from the audience. Obviously he felt strongly enough about both songs to add them to the setlist - so it's not a matter of him thinking either one "blows" or is "dead weight" unlike his feelings for the Majesty demos and WDADU - but was disappointed that the audience didn't react the way he expected them to. Same reason why they dropped TGD from the first North American leg of the Dramatic tour. But as I've said before, given the contents of the rest of the show, they should've left those two rarities in the setlist for the diehards in the crowd that were in-the-know. Plus, by leaving those songs in the setlist, more of the fanbase would have learned about them, just the same way they did about Another Won and Raise the Knife during the 20th Anniversary tour.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Kram on April 22, 2022, 01:35:00 PM
So that's Master of Puppets and The Number of the Beast. They did a Dark Side of the Moon concert too, didn't they? Or am I crazy?
You're not crazy.  Not only did they do Dark Side of the Moon, but they released a DVD recording of it, which is fantastic.
Agreed!  The Dark Side of the Moon DVD is fantastic, and for my money, clearly the best cover of an album they've done.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: EPIC Outro on April 22, 2022, 03:26:03 PM
Hey Scotty, has John actually said he feels that way about WDADU? I never got the vibe he actively disliked the album that much, and I hope he won't shy away from featuring it in future sets.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on April 22, 2022, 03:28:27 PM
Hey Scotty, has John actually said he feels that way about WDADU? I never got the vibe he actively disliked the album that much, and I hope he won't shy away from featuring it in future sets.

That comment also caught my attention.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on April 22, 2022, 08:56:14 PM
Hey Scotty, has John actually said he feels that way about WDADU? I never got the vibe he actively disliked the album that much, and I hope he won't shy away from featuring it in future sets.

That comment also caught my attention.

It would be very sad if they don't play any more off that album...
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on April 22, 2022, 09:02:01 PM
  • Live in NYC is a full show from the Images and Words tour. The band is really on the top of their game, with a ton of great performances. Plus, you get three hard-to-find songs: To Live Forever, Eve and the 1993 version of A Change of Seasons.
  • When Dream and Day Reunite is of special interest to people who aren't fans of Charlie Dominici's voice on the first album. This is a live performance of the full album with James singing. It also includes To Live Forever and Metropolis with Charlie and Derek Sherinian as guests.
  • A Dramatic Tour of Events is a great 2CD selection of live songs, including some what don't have any other live version or are pretty rare: The Count of Tuscany, The Great Debate, To Live Forever. But don't be deceived by the title: Nothing from the ADTOE album is on here. This covers all the songs played on that tour that were not on Live at Luna Park. Also, this was a free release for fans around Christmas 2013, so check to make sure that you don't already have it under the name "Happy Holidays 2013."

For being a rare, hard-to-find song, To Live Forever sure finds itself on a damn lot of releases! And that list doesn't include Live in Tokyo, 5 Years in a Livetime, the Greatest Hit... compliation, and on the Cleaning Out the Closet CD (twice!)

Definitely true that it's been released a lot of times! I do regard it as a rarity because it wasn't on a studio album or any of the official live albums that are widely available today. During the years in between YtseJam and Lost Not Forgotten, the only easy places to get an audio version of it were Greatest Hit and Happy Holidays (don't remember how long that was available for download). With LNF, this song is now much more accessible.

I was just poking fun. I've always found it a bit silly this mediocre (imo) song that never made an album showed up on so many other releases.

I found out about ytsejam records right around the time of the Dark Side of the Moon release. I thought it would be amazing to see my #1 favorite band play an album by another favorite band of mine. It was a solid production and release, but not something I watched more than 2 or 3 times. Seeing DT play other material just never appealed to me.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on April 23, 2022, 03:00:54 AM
Hey Scotty, has John actually said he feels that way about WDADU? I never got the vibe he actively disliked the album that much, and I hope he won't shy away from featuring it in future sets.
That comment also caught my attention.
Maybe my post might have been worded too strongly, but he doesn't hold WDaDU in high regard. He touches on it here:
https://youtu.be/00sK8GMsLxw?t=2730

Plus the fact that WDaDU tracks haven't been included in *any* of the setlists since 2012 - aside from the brief 30th anniversary run in Europe in 2015 - speaks volumes as well.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on April 23, 2022, 04:27:57 AM
So…no Killing Hand?? Ugh.
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Post by: EPIC Outro on April 23, 2022, 05:11:30 AM

I hope that part of the reason for the exclusion of WDADU tracks over the last few years is due to the number of tours where DT featured an album in it's entirety, leaving less room for other tracks. In that context, I can see why some lesser known tracks have been neglected. I hope DT will eventually return to longer Evening With shows, and we might see some of these tracks return.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Dream Team on April 23, 2022, 05:42:19 AM
So…no Killing Hand?? Ugh.

Yeah, pretty ridiculous if he thinks TLF is a better song than TKH or AFIL or OAMOT or even Ytsejam. Your mileage may vary though.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MinistroRaven on April 23, 2022, 02:12:44 PM
Another LNF release:

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“The Number of the Beast”, performed in its entirety, is a can’t-miss live release in the growing Lost Not Forgotten Archives series. Pre-order now for the 10th June release date here: https://dream-theater.lnk.to/LNFA-TheNumberOfTheBeast-LiveInParis2002

Originally released on our YtseJam Records label in 2005, “The Number of the Beast” is our rendition of the classic album from legendary Iron Maiden. This unique 2002 performance in front of a French audience at La Mutualite in Paris, France is the only available recording of this one-off historic event, forever preserved in the YtseJam collection and now available to pre-order for the first time ever on vinyl and streaming services.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on April 23, 2022, 02:39:39 PM
IIRC, they intended to play OAMOT for the 2014 tour but couldn't add it to the set due to time restrictions  :sad:
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on April 23, 2022, 03:23:25 PM
Hey Scotty, has John actually said he feels that way about WDADU? I never got the vibe he actively disliked the album that much, and I hope he won't shy away from featuring it in future sets.
That comment also caught my attention.
Maybe my post might have been worded too strongly, but he doesn't hold WDaDU in high regard. He touches on it here:
https://youtu.be/00sK8GMsLxw?t=2730

Plus the fact that WDaDU tracks haven't been included in *any* of the setlists since 2012 - aside from the brief 30th anniversary run in Europe in 2015 - speaks volumes as well.

Gotta slightly disagree with ya, Scotty.  Not only was Afterlife was played 25 times in 2015 in Europe, it was the shows opener!!  To me, that's a sign of respect, not a sign of dismissal. (EDIT, since the leg was an anniversary, I'll grant that the inclusion of the song may have been more out of necessity than desire).  Plus, I find JP's commentary in that clip more about the quality of production of the first album, rather than the quality of the songs themselves.  Maybe you're right and he doesn't hold the songs themselves in high regard, or perhaps there are other factors, such as setlist time restraints and how challenging each song is for James to sing.  I suspect the latter gets weighed heavily into which songs get included or not for any given tour.  Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on April 23, 2022, 03:27:40 PM
Hey Scotty, has John actually said he feels that way about WDADU? I never got the vibe he actively disliked the album that much, and I hope he won't shy away from featuring it in future sets.
That comment also caught my attention.
Maybe my post might have been worded too strongly, but he doesn't hold WDaDU in high regard. He touches on it here:
https://youtu.be/00sK8GMsLxw?t=2730

Plus the fact that WDaDU tracks haven't been included in *any* of the setlists since 2012 - aside from the brief 30th anniversary run in Europe in 2015 - speaks volumes as well.

Gotta slightly disagree with ya, Scotty.  Not only was Afterlife was played 25 times in 2015 in Europe, it was the shows opener!!  To me, that's a sign of respect, not a sign of dismissal. Plus, I find JP's commentary in that clip more about the quality of production of the first album, rather than the quality of the songs themselves.  Maybe you're right and he doesn't hold the songs themselves in high regard, or perhaps there are other factors, such as setlist time restraints and how challenging each song is for James to sing.  I suspect the latter gets weighed heavily into which songs get included or not for any given tour.  Just my thoughts.

But that was a chronological setlist.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on April 23, 2022, 05:30:59 PM
Yeah, I realized that just after hit post and quickly edited, but you are quicker. In any event,  you make a fair point.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on April 23, 2022, 08:49:50 PM
Gotta slightly disagree with ya, Scotty.  Not only was Afterlife was played 25 times in 2015 in Europe, it was the shows opener!!  To me, that's a sign of respect, not a sign of dismissal. (EDIT, since the leg was an anniversary, I'll grant that the inclusion of the song may have been more out of necessity than desire).  Plus, I find JP's commentary in that clip more about the quality of production of the first album, rather than the quality of the songs themselves.  Maybe you're right and he doesn't hold the songs themselves in high regard, or perhaps there are other factors, such as setlist time restraints and how challenging each song is for James to sing.  I suspect the latter gets weighed heavily into which songs get included or not for any given tour.  Just my thoughts.
Yeah, being that they were doing the chronological set, having a WDaDU track in there was mandatory - it would've been weird for them to skip over it. And sure it was 25 shows, but that's roughly 1/4 of a normal tour for DT during the MM-era, featured in only one part of the world.

But no, it's not just the mix that's the issue for JP. Remember he said:
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"go back to the first one and be like well maybe that could be remixed or maybe I could have done that better or whatever."
So he was giving equal weight to the mix and other things he didn't like about it. Some of it could have been whether JL can perform the tracks or not, but even that's debatable, given how they performed all of IaW in 2017 and TtT in particular was a struggle for JL.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Dream Team on April 24, 2022, 05:36:01 PM
Another LNF release:

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“The Number of the Beast”, performed in its entirety, is a can’t-miss live release in the growing Lost Not Forgotten Archives series. Pre-order now for the 10th June release date here: https://dream-theater.lnk.to/LNFA-TheNumberOfTheBeast-LiveInParis2002

Originally released on our YtseJam Records label in 2005, “The Number of the Beast” is our rendition of the classic album from legendary Iron Maiden. This unique 2002 performance in front of a French audience at La Mutualite in Paris, France is the only available recording of this one-off historic event, forever preserved in the YtseJam collection and now available to pre-order for the first time ever on vinyl and streaming services.

This is worth it for the lounge version of Gangland!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Spider In The Sky on April 24, 2022, 09:19:57 PM
I don't have any of these.... how many are there... which are the best ones?

There are currently nine, with new ones releasing each month. The majority of them are re-releases of CDs that were released by YtseJam Records in the 2000s, so if you're a long-time fan, you might already have some of them.

Three of the current releases, and the new one coming out next month, are demos. These are:
  • Train of Thought Instrumental Demos
  • The Majesty Demos
  • Awake Demos
  • Falling Into Infinity Demos (upcoming)

The other six releases are live performances:
  • Images and Words - Live in Japan 2017
  • A Dramatic Tour of Events - Select Board Mixes
  • Master of Puppets - Live in Barcelona 2002 (a cover of the Metallica album)
  • When Dream and Day Reunite
  • Live in NYC 1993
  • ...And Beyond - Live in Japan 2017

These releases offer different things that might be of greater or less interest to you depending on what you like and what you're interested in. Here are the ones that I think are likely to be of most general interest to Dream Theater fans, with a little bit of why you might find them interesting.
  • Live in NYC is a full show from the Images and Words tour. The band is really on the top of their game, with a ton of great performances. Plus, you get three hard-to-find songs: To Live Forever, Eve and the 1993 version of A Change of Seasons.
  • The Falling Into Infinity Demos is the most interesting set of demos the band has released. This is because they include five songs that did not make the album, only one of which (Raise the Knife) is easy to find elsewhere, plus alternate versions of a lot of the songs that did make the album. They also include the Metropolis Part 2 demo, which is the earliest version of what became Scenes from a Memory
  • When Dream and Day Reunite is of special interest to people who aren't fans of Charlie Dominici's voice on the first album. This is a live performance of the full album with James singing. It also includes To Live Forever and Metropolis with Charlie and Derek Sherinian as guests.
  • The Majesty Demos is interesting if you're curious about the early history of the band, because you get songs that they recorded well before the first album. However, I don't think these songs are all that great on their own terms.
  • A Dramatic Tour of Events is a great 2CD selection of live songs, including some what don't have any other live version or are pretty rare: The Count of Tuscany, The Great Debate, To Live Forever. But don't be deceived by the title: Nothing from the ADTOE album is on here. This covers all the songs played on that tour that were not on Live at Luna Park. Also, this was a free release for fans around Christmas 2013, so check to make sure that you don't already have it under the name "Happy Holidays 2013."
  • ...And Beyond is another quality live release that includes some songs that don't have a live release elsewhere: The Bigger Picture, Hell's Kitchen, The Gift of Music, Our New World. Unlike Dramatic Tour of Events, this is a single CD that all comes from one show. This is actually the first half of the 2017 Japan concert. Images and Words - Live in Japan is most of the second half. Personally, I think ...And Beyond is better, because James's performance on the older songs from IAW is a bit spotty, while he sounds pretty good on the newer ones on ...And Beyond.

Thank you!!!!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on April 25, 2022, 05:34:52 AM
So…no Killing Hand?? Ugh.

Yeah, pretty ridiculous if he thinks TLF is a better song than TKH or AFIL or OAMOT or even Ytsejam. Your mileage may vary though.

It does; To Live Forever slays all those songs, for me.
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Post by: TAC on April 25, 2022, 09:30:51 AM
More like To Blow Forever.
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Post by: EPIC Outro on April 25, 2022, 10:16:51 AM

Released or not, I think To Live Forever is a Dream Theater classic.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 25, 2022, 11:52:20 AM
So…no Killing Hand?? Ugh.

Yeah, pretty ridiculous if he thinks TLF is a better song than TKH or AFIL or OAMOT or even Ytsejam. Your mileage may vary though.

It does; To Live Forever slays all those songs, for me.
You're right.  That first album just isn't very good.  TLF is MUCH better than anything on the first album.
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Post by: Setlist Scotty on April 25, 2022, 12:16:59 PM
So…no Killing Hand?? Ugh.
Yeah, pretty ridiculous if he thinks TLF is a better song than TKH or AFIL or OAMOT or even Ytsejam. Your mileage may vary though.
It does; To Live Forever slays all those songs, for me.
You're right.  That first album just isn't very good.  TLF is MUCH better than anything on the first album.
Beg to differ, but opinions and all that....
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Post by: pg1067 on April 25, 2022, 12:29:48 PM
So…no Killing Hand?? Ugh.
Yeah, pretty ridiculous if he thinks TLF is a better song than TKH or AFIL or OAMOT or even Ytsejam. Your mileage may vary though.
It does; To Live Forever slays all those songs, for me.
You're right.  That first album just isn't very good.  TLF is MUCH better than anything on the first album.
Beg to differ, but opinions and all that....

Hey!  We agree on something.  I'm not even a big fan of AFIL, but I think it's tons better than TLF.  I might even like TOWHTSTS better than TLF.
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Post by: 425 on April 25, 2022, 01:41:14 PM
My take: TKH, OAMOT and AFIL are all better than To Live Forever, but To Live Forever is still quite good—those songs are just really good to great.



I don't have any of these.... how many are there... which are the best ones?

There are currently nine, with new ones releasing each month...

Thank you!!!!

No problem! I hope my post helps!
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Post by: HOF on April 25, 2022, 08:21:54 PM
Didn't Bruce question the rationale behind an established band playing that album in full and recording it for release?

I’ve never been the concert going type, but I remember thinking back when DT was doing those full album cover concerts how bad it would suck to have DT come to town and you get a show of them playing Metallica or Iron Maiden.
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Post by: TAC on April 25, 2022, 08:29:35 PM
Didn't Bruce question the rationale behind an established band playing that album in full and recording it for release?

I’ve never been the concert going type, but I remember thinking back when DT was doing those full album cover concerts how bad it would suck to have DT come to town and you get a show of them playing Metallica or Iron Maiden.


That's totally fair. I don't think either of those albums, as much as I love them, really bring out what DT does best. Neither does Dark Side Of The Moon for that matter. I bought the DVD of that, but not the CD. It's nothing that I would ever listen to, but I love watching the performance.
I thought the Live In Japan cover album was fantastic though. It was the one (of the four) cover albums that really allowed DT to shine.
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Post by: Cool Chris on April 25, 2022, 08:36:25 PM
To Live Forever must have compromising photos of band members for it to appear on so many releases.
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Post by: Setlist Scotty on April 25, 2022, 10:57:11 PM
Didn't Bruce question the rationale behind an established band playing that album in full and recording it for release?
I’ve never been the concert going type, but I remember thinking back when DT was doing those full album cover concerts how bad it would suck to have DT come to town and you get a show of them playing Metallica or Iron Maiden.
I saw them perform all of MoP in Chicago and loved it! Don't forget that the stipulation was that it would be the second set of a two night stand on an Evening With tour. So by the time I saw them do MoP, I had already seen about 4.5 hours of DT music (from the 3 hour show the night before, and the first set lasting roughly 1.5 hours from the MoP show), the vast majority of which was not repeated from night to night. Doesn't sound like a bad deal to me.
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Post by: EPIC Outro on April 26, 2022, 05:38:13 AM

Did DT advertise that the second night in a city would feature a cover beyond mentioning it on online forums? I would have to imagine the majority of people going to that second night had no idea a cover was coming.
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Post by: Dream Team on April 26, 2022, 06:24:58 AM
To Live Forever must have compromising photos of band members for it to appear on so many releases.

 :lol Absolutely.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 26, 2022, 08:16:03 AM

Did DT advertise that the second night in a city would feature a cover beyond mentioning it on online forums? I would have to imagine the majority of people going to that second night had no idea a cover was coming.
Yes.  It was understood (or BECAME understood) that the second night of a 2-night stand in the same venue would feature a cover performance.  Which was fine, because they very rarely played a 2-night stand anywhere, plus they had rotated setlists back then, so even if they weren't doing a cover album, the second night STILL wouldn't have been the same as the first night.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: EPIC Outro on April 26, 2022, 10:17:40 AM

I know it was understood by those who were dialed into the DT and MP forums back then, but short of it being listed on the ticket or wherever someone purchased their tickets, I imagine a lot of folks were surprised to hear a whole album covered at a DT show.
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Post by: gzarruk on April 26, 2022, 10:36:04 AM

I know it was understood by those who were dialed into the DT and MP forums back then, but short of it being listed on the ticket or wherever someone purchased their tickets, I imagine a lot of folks were surprised to hear a whole album covered at a DT show.

I think it would've sucked for casual fans who just bought tickets for the 2nd night because it better suited their schedule and then bam! you get Master of Puppets in full :lol :facepalm:

When this worked better, however, was during the South American leg for the OV tour, when IIRC, they would do SFAM in full on the 2nd night at the same city or something like that. I wouldn't have complained about that at all :tup
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 26, 2022, 10:41:53 AM

I know it was understood by those who were dialed into the DT and MP forums back then, but short of it being listed on the ticket or wherever someone purchased their tickets, I imagine a lot of folks were surprised to hear a whole album covered at a DT show.
I'm not sure how many "casual" fans they had back then, although yes, I'm sure it was a surprise for some people, who never are engaged with anything ever.  But you can't plan for every eventuality.

When this worked better, however, was during the South American leg for the OV tour, when IIRC, they would do SFAM in full on the 2nd night at the same city or something like that. I wouldn't have complained about that at all :tup
Pretty sure that only happened once, and it was because they had missed that area on the original SFAM tour, when they played it in full on every stop.
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Post by: Cool Chris on April 26, 2022, 10:34:23 PM
This may not come out well; if it sounds like I am pissed about it, I am really not. But I don't buy this "it was understood, it was common knowledge." I get there is no specific point where knowledge goes from "uncommon" to "common," which is maybe where I am getting stuck on this. It's your show, you can do whatever you like with your set, but to do something most would consider out of the norm (committing an hour of time to cover material), and fall back on the stance of "It was commonly understood something like this could happen..." based on internet communities is weak.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Deadeye21 on April 26, 2022, 11:48:21 PM
When this worked better, however, was during the South American leg for the OV tour, when IIRC, they would do SFAM in full on the 2nd night at the same city or something like that. I wouldn't have complained about that at all :tup
Pretty sure that only happened once, and it was because they had missed that area on the original SFAM tour, when they played it in full on every stop.

Which makes me pray that they might expand the View tour in Australasia and finish playing SFAM in full in every market, since they had to drop this leg from the Distance tour due to COVID. They won’t though, I don’t think it would suit them to do so, but we can dream, right?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: EPIC Outro on April 27, 2022, 12:32:43 AM

I just find it amazing that DT was able to whip out Scenes in it's entirety for one random performance. I find that pretty incredible.
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Post by: Stadler on April 27, 2022, 06:30:59 AM
This may not come out well; if it sounds like I am pissed about it, I am really not. But I don't buy this "it was understood, it was common knowledge." I get there is no specific point where knowledge goes from "uncommon" to "common," which is maybe where I am getting stuck on this. It's your show, you can do whatever you like with your set, but to do something most would consider out of the norm (committing an hour of time to cover material), and fall back on the stance of "It was commonly understood something like this could happen..." based on internet communities is weak.

Even if you're right - and not saying you are or aren't - I think it's a matter of the individual fan's point of view.   I know for me, it would not have been optimal, but I also would have factored in the "uniqueness factor".  I could say I was at that ONE SHOW where they did... whatever it is they did.  Other than Made In Japan, a double live album, these are not extraordinary intrusions.  Number... is 39:11 long in it's original format.  Master... is longer, at 54 minutes, but Dark Side... is 43 min.  Concerts are an experience, and they aren't about me, specifically, they are about that moment, and what the band wants to play in that moment. 

And DT wasn't/isn't the only band that does this; Gov't Mule does that too.  On any given Sunday, you can go to a Gov't Mule show and get... Dark Side of the Moon.  Houses of the Holy.  An entire set dedicated to Rolling Stones covers.  I saw them in New Haven and Ann Wilson came out and they did 6 or 7 Zeppelin tunes.
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on April 27, 2022, 07:48:49 AM

I know it was understood by those who were dialed into the DT and MP forums back then, but short of it being listed on the ticket or wherever someone purchased their tickets, I imagine a lot of folks were surprised to hear a whole album covered at a DT show.
I'm not sure how many "casual" fans they had back then,

The vast majority. Just because DT has a more hardcore fanbase than normal, does not mean that all of them or even half of them are hardcore.

I often find myself talking to fans at shows and assuming they're hardcore like me. They have no idea they cover albums in their entirety. They have no idea that they had never played Space Dye Vest live before 2014. I even spoke to a guy that was a fan since 89. He loved Dominici's voice and had no idea they reunited with him in 04. Sometimes I talk to fans that are obsessive and then I mention an album, any album, and they're like, "Oh is that one good? I haven't listened to that one yet."

Many fans on this board had no idea about the official bootleg series or a lot of things. This board is a poor sample of how most concert goers feel.
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Post by: gzarruk on April 27, 2022, 08:06:00 AM
When this worked better, however, was during the South American leg for the OV tour, when IIRC, they would do SFAM in full on the 2nd night at the same city or something like that. I wouldn't have complained about that at all :tup
Pretty sure that only happened once, and it was because they had missed that area on the original SFAM tour, when they played it in full on every stop.


I just find it amazing that DT was able to whip out Scenes in it's entirety for one random performance. I find that pretty incredible.

According to Setlist.fm, they did it two times only, both in Brazil. For whatever reason, I thought they had played it for more shows than just two :eek
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Post by: pg1067 on April 27, 2022, 10:17:10 AM

I know it was understood by those who were dialed into the DT and MP forums back then, but short of it being listed on the ticket or wherever someone purchased their tickets, I imagine a lot of folks were surprised to hear a whole album covered at a DT show.

I think it would've sucked for casual fans who just bought tickets for the 2nd night because it better suited their schedule and then bam! you get Master of Puppets in full :lol :facepalm:

Exactly.  This is where all that "MP did so much for the fans!" stuff rang hollow.  He did stuff that was appreciated by a small percentage of the most dialed-in fans - and, in particular, those who went to multiple shows on a tour (the very vocal minority).  However, a lot of that stuff didn't appeal to our downright sucked for more casual fans.

Also, the bit about it being understood is a bit iffy.  I don't remember what tour it was, but I remember seeing that they had back to back shows scheduled in Calgary.  Knowing that this was a thing that DT did, and thinking they might cover a Rush album since they were in Canada, I came very close to buying plane tickets and a ticket for the second night.  Fortunately, I didn't do it because the set list for the second night was did not feature a cover performance (and yes, this was while MP was still in the band).
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on April 27, 2022, 12:01:03 PM

I know it was understood by those who were dialed into the DT and MP forums back then, but short of it being listed on the ticket or wherever someone purchased their tickets, I imagine a lot of folks were surprised to hear a whole album covered at a DT show.

I think it would've sucked for casual fans who just bought tickets for the 2nd night because it better suited their schedule and then bam! you get Master of Puppets in full :lol :facepalm:

Exactly.  This is where all that "MP did so much for the fans!" stuff rang hollow.  He did stuff that was appreciated by a small percentage of the most dialed-in fans - and, in particular, those who went to multiple shows on a tour (the very vocal minority).  However, a lot of that stuff didn't appeal to our downright sucked for more casual fans.

Yup. He even admitted that the stuff he did for fans is because he would have wanted it as a fan. And well, DT fans don't often agree on a lot. Even the diehards.

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Also, the bit about it being understood is a bit iffy.  I don't remember what tour it was, but I remember seeing that they had back to back shows scheduled in Calgary.  Knowing that this was a thing that DT did, and thinking they might cover a Rush album since they were in Canada, I came very close to buying plane tickets and a ticket for the second night.  Fortunately, I didn't do it because the set list for the second night was did not feature a cover performance (and yes, this was while MP was still in the band).

 :eek

That's the problem with speaking in absolutes. I also remember somebody from one of those Night 2 SFAM shows who was disappointed because they specifically went because they said they would COVER a classic album in it's entirety. The joke was, "See? SFAM is a classic!" but it wasn't a cover since it was their own album.
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Post by: Setlist Scotty on April 27, 2022, 01:22:16 PM
Also, the bit about it being understood is a bit iffy.  I don't remember what tour it was, but I remember seeing that they had back to back shows scheduled in Calgary.  Knowing that this was a thing that DT did, and thinking they might cover a Rush album since they were in Canada, I came very close to buying plane tickets and a ticket for the second night.  Fortunately, I didn't do it because the set list for the second night was did not feature a cover performance (and yes, this was while MP was still in the band).
After the 2002 Barcelona show when they did MoP for the very first time, MP made it very clear that those cover album shows would only happen when they did two-night-stands at Evening With shows. Those shows in Calgary were part of Prog Nation 2008 which had 3 bands opening, so DT was only doing a 90 minute set to begin with. It's given they weren't gonna do a cover album at those shows.
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Post by: Trav86 on April 27, 2022, 04:18:22 PM
So…no Killing Hand?? Ugh.

Yeah, pretty ridiculous if he thinks TLF is a better song than TKH or AFIL or OAMOT or even Ytsejam. Your mileage may vary though.

It does; To Live Forever slays all those songs, for me.
You're right.  That first album just isn't very good.  TLF is MUCH better than anything on the first album.

While I like the first album, I still agree with this. TLF was their first real foray into a song with a wide dynamic range.  It’s wonderful.
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Post by: pg1067 on April 27, 2022, 05:14:39 PM
Also, the bit about it being understood is a bit iffy.  I don't remember what tour it was, but I remember seeing that they had back to back shows scheduled in Calgary.  Knowing that this was a thing that DT did, and thinking they might cover a Rush album since they were in Canada, I came very close to buying plane tickets and a ticket for the second night.  Fortunately, I didn't do it because the set list for the second night was did not feature a cover performance (and yes, this was while MP was still in the band).
After the 2002 Barcelona show when they did MoP for the very first time, MP made it very clear that those cover album shows would only happen when they did two-night-stands at Evening With shows. Those shows in Calgary were part of Prog Nation 2008 which had 3 bands opening, so DT was only doing a 90 minute set to begin with. It's given they weren't gonna do a cover album at those shows.

Made it clear how and to whom?  The several dozen people who were regularly on the MP forums?  It ultimately didn't matter for me, but I had heard hearsay about the whole "second night" thing, but I had no inkling that there were caveats.  And, in any event, this gets back to the original point, which is that, except for the most super dialed-in fans, the "second night" thing (much less the stipulations) was not well-known or regularly understood by most folks who bought tickets to DT shows.  Again, it ultimately didn't matter for me, and I certainly knew there was no guarantee about the show I considered (which is the primary reason I didn't pull the trigger on the tickets).  However, if I had gone to a DT show and had gotten a bunch of Pink Floyd covers, I'd have been crazy pissed.
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Post by: TAC on April 27, 2022, 05:22:19 PM
  However, if I had gone to a DT show and had gotten a bunch of Pink Floyd covers, I'd have been crazy pissed.

I agree with this.
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Post by: KevShmev on April 27, 2022, 05:59:57 PM

Did DT advertise that the second night in a city would feature a cover beyond mentioning it on online forums? I would have to imagine the majority of people going to that second night had no idea a cover was coming.

Not at first, no.  Only when there was a lot of criticism of it after the first couple did Portnoy then make it clear that the second night of two nights in the same city would feature the cover of a classic album.  I know this because we traveled to Chicago for the 2nd night there in 2002, and we never would have bought tickets to go to just the 2nd show had we known that the whole set would be covers.  Not complaining (anymore :lol), just saying.
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Post by: Cool Chris on April 27, 2022, 08:52:49 PM
Again, posting something on your personal website forum can be considered "making it clear," but I wouldn't consider that method casting a wide net.
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Post by: adastra on April 27, 2022, 08:58:54 PM
I heard the Lice In NYC  version of A Change of Seasons today for the first time.
Oh man, what a mess  :D

It did so much good for that song that It had more time to get matured before recorded.
I didn´t like the vocals or lyrics on this early version. And the intro was all over the place.
There was something that I actually really liked;  The almost Luca Turillish unison solo before the Crimson Sunset.  But yeah, I think it was good idea to drop it.

What a great recording this Live In NYC is!
 
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on April 28, 2022, 06:15:51 AM
Also, the bit about it being understood is a bit iffy.  I don't remember what tour it was, but I remember seeing that they had back to back shows scheduled in Calgary.  Knowing that this was a thing that DT did, and thinking they might cover a Rush album since they were in Canada, I came very close to buying plane tickets and a ticket for the second night.  Fortunately, I didn't do it because the set list for the second night was did not feature a cover performance (and yes, this was while MP was still in the band).
After the 2002 Barcelona show when they did MoP for the very first time, MP made it very clear that those cover album shows would only happen when they did two-night-stands at Evening With shows. Those shows in Calgary were part of Prog Nation 2008 which had 3 bands opening, so DT was only doing a 90 minute set to begin with. It's given they weren't gonna do a cover album at those shows.

Made it clear how and to whom?  The several dozen people who were regularly on the MP forums?  It ultimately didn't matter for me, but I had heard hearsay about the whole "second night" thing, but I had no inkling that there were caveats.  And, in any event, this gets back to the original point, which is that, except for the most super dialed-in fans, the "second night" thing (much less the stipulations)....

I hate to say it but that would have been a perfect time for a press release, maybe complete with a flowchart about when a 2nd night would always, sometimes be used to cover an album in its entirety.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 28, 2022, 07:42:59 AM
Also, the bit about it being understood is a bit iffy.  I don't remember what tour it was, but I remember seeing that they had back to back shows scheduled in Calgary.  Knowing that this was a thing that DT did, and thinking they might cover a Rush album since they were in Canada, I came very close to buying plane tickets and a ticket for the second night.  Fortunately, I didn't do it because the set list for the second night was did not feature a cover performance (and yes, this was while MP was still in the band).
After the 2002 Barcelona show when they did MoP for the very first time, MP made it very clear that those cover album shows would only happen when they did two-night-stands at Evening With shows. Those shows in Calgary were part of Prog Nation 2008 which had 3 bands opening, so DT was only doing a 90 minute set to begin with. It's given they weren't gonna do a cover album at those shows.

Made it clear how and to whom?  The several dozen people who were regularly on the MP forums?  It ultimately didn't matter for me, but I had heard hearsay about the whole "second night" thing, but I had no inkling that there were caveats.  And, in any event, this gets back to the original point, which is that, except for the most super dialed-in fans, the "second night" thing (much less the stipulations) was not well-known or regularly understood by most folks who bought tickets to DT shows.  Again, it ultimately didn't matter for me, and I certainly knew there was no guarantee about the show I considered (which is the primary reason I didn't pull the trigger on the tickets).  However, if I had gone to a DT show and had gotten a bunch of Pink Floyd covers, I'd have been crazy pissed.
Not sure what to say.  It was made known by the band (MP) to the fans who know things through the ways that those things are made known.  People who don't make it a point to keep up or know stuff, didn't know.  *shrugs*
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on April 28, 2022, 07:50:01 AM
Iron Maiden faced the same sort of controversy; now it's sort of an unwritten rule (since broken by COVID and the introduction of Senjutsu into the setlist) that the band alternates tours; album tours feature an album-heavy setlist and the off-cycle tours are "hits" tours.  And it's the same deal; "not everyone is a member of the fanclub".  "Not everyone is on line."   "Not everyone has ears."

Look, the world isn't perfect.  Short of sending out a mailer with each ticket there is ALWAYS someone who is going to have more information than the person next to them.  This isn't like people are being evicted from their homes without notice.  I think this is a sort of "entitlement" issue; there was a time, in my lifetime, that you had NO WAY of knowing what was being played until the notes were struck.  And if you were a Kiss fan and got ALL of Lick It Up and only a handful of the "classic hits" - which happened to me in '83 - too bad, so sad.  There's likely to be SOMEONE pissed at every show; the best any band can do is stick to their guns and hope that the net/net of the "oh yeahs!" outweigh the "oh shits".

EDIT:  Hef said it a lot nicer and a lot more succintly.  :) :)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: HOF on April 28, 2022, 09:45:00 AM
I feel like I sort of lit the fuse and got away with this thread. It’s not a crime against humanity or anything, and at some point I think these were reasonably well advertised as being special shows on the second night. And lots of bands have done covers type shows on special occasions (DT had done that before even with the Ronnie Scott’s gig which I think was really cool). I think for me it’s more the specific albums they covered. Master of Puppets and Number of the Beast? Zero interest in hearing that. I actually do like Dark Side of the Moon, and the portions of that show that I’ve seen sounded good. I think I’d still have been disappointed if for some reason that were the only of the two nights I could have gone to, but I at least could have enjoyed it probably (all theoretical of course, I wasn’t in position to see any of those shows).
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on April 28, 2022, 09:55:55 AM
Also, the bit about it being understood is a bit iffy.  I don't remember what tour it was, but I remember seeing that they had back to back shows scheduled in Calgary.  Knowing that this was a thing that DT did, and thinking they might cover a Rush album since they were in Canada, I came very close to buying plane tickets and a ticket for the second night.  Fortunately, I didn't do it because the set list for the second night was did not feature a cover performance (and yes, this was while MP was still in the band).
After the 2002 Barcelona show when they did MoP for the very first time, MP made it very clear that those cover album shows would only happen when they did two-night-stands at Evening With shows. Those shows in Calgary were part of Prog Nation 2008 which had 3 bands opening, so DT was only doing a 90 minute set to begin with. It's given they weren't gonna do a cover album at those shows.

Made it clear how and to whom?  The several dozen people who were regularly on the MP forums?  It ultimately didn't matter for me, but I had heard hearsay about the whole "second night" thing, but I had no inkling that there were caveats.  And, in any event, this gets back to the original point, which is that, except for the most super dialed-in fans, the "second night" thing (much less the stipulations) was not well-known or regularly understood by most folks who bought tickets to DT shows.  Again, it ultimately didn't matter for me, and I certainly knew there was no guarantee about the show I considered (which is the primary reason I didn't pull the trigger on the tickets).  However, if I had gone to a DT show and had gotten a bunch of Pink Floyd covers, I'd have been crazy pissed.
Not sure what to say.  It was made known by the band (MP) to the fans who know things through the ways that those things are made known.  People who don't make it a point to keep up or know stuff, didn't know.  *shrugs*

Was it made known outside of Portnoy's site though?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on April 28, 2022, 10:28:17 AM
I feel like I sort of lit the fuse and got away with this thread. It’s not a crime against humanity or anything, and at some point I think these were reasonably well advertised as being special shows on the second night. And lots of bands have done covers type shows on special occasions (DT had done that before even with the Ronnie Scott’s gig which I think was really cool). I think for me it’s more the specific albums they covered. Master of Puppets and Number of the Beast? Zero interest in hearing that. I actually do like Dark Side of the Moon, and the portions of that show that I’ve seen sounded good. I think I’d still have been disappointed if for some reason that were the only of the two nights I could have gone to, but I at least could have enjoyed it probably (all theoretical of course, I wasn’t in position to see any of those shows).

Opinions obviously vary a lot depending on who you're asking, but I'd say that 9 out of 10 DT fans would prefer a full DT show over a set with a lot of covers, specially some famous album by other band who has probably played it thousands of times before already. I know some of these classic bands don't tour/exist anymore (Pink Floyd, for example), but I'd think that for the most part if fans wanted to hear X band's music they could attend that band's concert.

I haven't been able to attend a live DT show yet (the only time they ever came here I was a 14 year old that couldn't afford the ticket nor couldn't find anyone to go with), but I know I'd be really disappointed if I went to one of their shows and got an hour worth of some other band's material, just give me my DT :lol

Now, adding one or two covers to your set on special occasions can definitely be a highlight to a particular show (like when they did 21st Century Schizoid Man with Crimson Projekct), but I think those mostly work well as an exception, not the rule. The opposite case was that live album by Sons Of Apollo (not DT, but still related) where while they didn't cover a full classic album, they played a huge selection of random classic rock covers with an orchestra just because. They could've just played a few more things from the Derek-DT era that would've suited that band well or even some more stuff from each of the members' catalog, but instead added a bunch of unnecessary stuff, and some online reviews I read for it called it a very good show, but bloated with a lot of stuff that wasn't needed there.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on April 28, 2022, 10:53:40 AM
Let me just say, I love the cover albums. I bought all of them. I listened to Darkside quite a bit, mainly because I wasn't really a fan of Pink Floyd and this made me gain an appreciation for them.

I listened to MoP and NotB somewhat. Not the biggest fan of either but I like them. I'm a huge fan of Deep Purple but rarely listen to that one. I was never a fan of the bloviated jam sessions.

With that said, I would not have been happy if I listened to a set consisting of 50% covers of albums I was either unfamiliar with or didn't care for. Since I wasn't in that position, heck yeah I like the cover albums.

But for all the talk about how fans knew. I bet before these things were released on Amazon, less than a quarter of fans had any idea they covered albums in full let alone sold them.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on April 28, 2022, 12:12:52 PM

Did DT advertise that the second night in a city would feature a cover beyond mentioning it on online forums? I would have to imagine the majority of people going to that second night had no idea a cover was coming.

Not at first, no.  Only when there was a lot of criticism of it after the first couple did Portnoy then make it clear that the second night of two nights in the same city would feature the cover of a classic album.  I know this because we traveled to Chicago for the 2nd night there in 2002, and we never would have bought tickets to go to just the 2nd show had we known that the whole set would be covers.  Not complaining (anymore :lol ), just saying.


I travelled to Chicago (from central Kentucky) for both of those shows, because I knew what they were doing, so I'm not sure how you missed the news.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: 425 on April 28, 2022, 12:22:31 PM
Iron Maiden faced the same sort of controversy; now it's sort of an unwritten rule (since broken by COVID and the introduction of Senjutsu into the setlist) that the band alternates tours; album tours feature an album-heavy setlist and the off-cycle tours are "hits" tours.  And it's the same deal; "not everyone is a member of the fanclub".  "Not everyone is on line."   "Not everyone has ears."

Look, the world isn't perfect.  Short of sending out a mailer with each ticket there is ALWAYS someone who is going to have more information than the person next to them.  This isn't like people are being evicted from their homes without notice.  I think this is a sort of "entitlement" issue; there was a time, in my lifetime, that you had NO WAY of knowing what was being played until the notes were struck.  And if you were a Kiss fan and got ALL of Lick It Up and only a handful of the "classic hits" - which happened to me in '83 - too bad, so sad.  There's likely to be SOMEONE pissed at every show; the best any band can do is stick to their guns and hope that the net/net of the "oh yeahs!" outweigh the "oh shits".

EDIT:  Hef said it a lot nicer and a lot more succintly.  :) :)

I'm more sympathetic to people who were felt caught off guard by these things before the widespread availability of information like this online. Today, you can very quickly and easily find all the information you want. If the setlist matters that much to you, you can seek out information about it with little difficult and for no expense. If you don't even bother to spend a few minutes seeking out information, I think you should be prepared to live with the consequences of that choice.

Personally, I can't relate to this at all, or the kind of people Madman Shepherd mentioned who call themselves superfans but don't know a lot of relatively basic information about the band. I'm not saying this to be judgmental about the way people enjoy their hobbies, they can do what they want (so long as they accept the natural consequences of their choices), but I like to learn and read about artists I listen to a lot, so I'm always surprised when alleged superfans don't seem to have read anything at all.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: HOF on April 28, 2022, 12:47:08 PM
I do think those of us engaged in online forums about the band are probably the nerdiest of the nerdy, so I wouldn’t really expect everyone to be that engaged, even many who call themselves big fans. There are also different age groups who may consume different amounts of online information. Though I will say I’m not sure there are too many other avenues for becoming a fan of DT outside of online exposure. I guess video games (since Guitar Hero).
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on April 28, 2022, 01:04:44 PM
Iron Maiden faced the same sort of controversy; now it's sort of an unwritten rule (since broken by COVID and the introduction of Senjutsu into the setlist) that the band alternates tours; album tours feature an album-heavy setlist and the off-cycle tours are "hits" tours.  And it's the same deal; "not everyone is a member of the fanclub".  "Not everyone is on line."   "Not everyone has ears."

Look, the world isn't perfect.  Short of sending out a mailer with each ticket there is ALWAYS someone who is going to have more information than the person next to them.  This isn't like people are being evicted from their homes without notice.  I think this is a sort of "entitlement" issue; there was a time, in my lifetime, that you had NO WAY of knowing what was being played until the notes were struck.  And if you were a Kiss fan and got ALL of Lick It Up and only a handful of the "classic hits" - which happened to me in '83 - too bad, so sad.  There's likely to be SOMEONE pissed at every show; the best any band can do is stick to their guns and hope that the net/net of the "oh yeahs!" outweigh the "oh shits".

EDIT:  Hef said it a lot nicer and a lot more succintly.  :) :)

I'm more sympathetic to people who were felt caught off guard by these things before the widespread availability of information like this online. Today, you can very quickly and easily find all the information you want. If the setlist matters that much to you, you can seek out information about it with little difficult and for no expense. If you don't even bother to spend a few minutes seeking out information, I think you should be prepared to live with the consequences of that choice.

Personally, I can't relate to this at all, or the kind of people Madman Shepherd mentioned who call themselves superfans but don't know a lot of relatively basic information about the band. I'm not saying this to be judgmental about the way people enjoy their hobbies, they can do what they want (so long as they accept the natural consequences of their choices), but I like to learn and read about artists I listen to a lot, so I'm always surprised when alleged superfans don't seem to have read anything at all.

Well, that's a whole 'other topic.  I don't know why we can't all just be "fans". The whole concept of "super fan" strikes me as exceedingly insecure and needy.  It's not a contest, there's not a scorecard and we're not getting paid for it.  But that's just me.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: 425 on April 28, 2022, 01:34:34 PM
I should clarify; I'm not trying to do that thing where a person tries to prove that they're "more of a fan" than some other person. I definitely agree that that's insecure and needy. And I'm definitely not trying to say that people who seek out more information are somehow better than people who don't. I guess I'm just expressing confusion at a way of doing things that is very alien to me (but I should say that there are a lot of ways in which I'm very unlike most people, so I guess it shouldn't surprise me that much, and if anything my default should be to think that I'm the unusual one).
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on April 28, 2022, 01:40:50 PM

Did DT advertise that the second night in a city would feature a cover beyond mentioning it on online forums? I would have to imagine the majority of people going to that second night had no idea a cover was coming.

Not at first, no.  Only when there was a lot of criticism of it after the first couple did Portnoy then make it clear that the second night of two nights in the same city would feature the cover of a classic album.  I know this because we traveled to Chicago for the 2nd night there in 2002, and we never would have bought tickets to go to just the 2nd show had we known that the whole set would be covers.  Not complaining (anymore :lol ), just saying.


I travelled to Chicago (from central Kentucky) for both of those shows, because I knew what they were doing, so I'm not sure how you missed the news.

Huh..was it advertised somewhere? In 2002, my only way of knowing DT was coming to Boston was when it was announced in a local music paper.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on April 28, 2022, 01:53:17 PM
I should clarify; I'm not trying to do that thing where a person tries to prove that they're "more of a fan" than some other person. I definitely agree that that's insecure and needy. And I'm definitely not trying to say that people who seek out more information are somehow better than people who don't. I guess I'm just expressing confusion at a way of doing things that is very alien to me (but I should say that there are a lot of ways in which I'm very unlike most people, so I guess it shouldn't surprise me that much, and if anything my default should be to think that I'm the unusual one).

Well, I never once meant to imply I was talking about you.  I was thinking about those people that need the label but can't even name (let alone having heard) some of their bigger albums.  I would think a DT superfan would at least have heard ALL their records.  We DO have some fans here that are serious and dedicated to the band, but I can't imagine someone like Scotty proclaiming "I'm a superfan!!"   He just is and it speaks for itself (though we'll do it for him! :)). 
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on April 28, 2022, 01:56:13 PM
Apparently you missed this post..

Quote from: Setlist Scotty
I'm a SUPERFAN!!     I'm a SUPERFAN!!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on April 28, 2022, 01:58:14 PM
Hahaha!  :) :) :)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: 425 on April 28, 2022, 02:11:13 PM
I should clarify; I'm not trying to do that thing where a person tries to prove that they're "more of a fan" than some other person. I definitely agree that that's insecure and needy. And I'm definitely not trying to say that people who seek out more information are somehow better than people who don't. I guess I'm just expressing confusion at a way of doing things that is very alien to me (but I should say that there are a lot of ways in which I'm very unlike most people, so I guess it shouldn't surprise me that much, and if anything my default should be to think that I'm the unusual one).

Well, I never once meant to imply I was talking about you.  I was thinking about those people that need the label but can't even name (let alone having heard) some of their bigger albums.  I would think a DT superfan would at least have heard ALL their records.  We DO have some fans here that are serious and dedicated to the band, but I can't imagine someone like Scotty proclaiming "I'm a superfan!!"   He just is and it speaks for itself (though we'll do it for him! :)).

Got it! That makes a lot of sense to me.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on April 28, 2022, 02:54:46 PM

Did DT advertise that the second night in a city would feature a cover beyond mentioning it on online forums? I would have to imagine the majority of people going to that second night had no idea a cover was coming.

Not at first, no.  Only when there was a lot of criticism of it after the first couple did Portnoy then make it clear that the second night of two nights in the same city would feature the cover of a classic album.  I know this because we traveled to Chicago for the 2nd night there in 2002, and we never would have bought tickets to go to just the 2nd show had we known that the whole set would be covers.  Not complaining (anymore :lol ), just saying.


I travelled to Chicago (from central Kentucky) for both of those shows, because I knew what they were doing, so I'm not sure how you missed the news.

Huh..was it advertised somewhere? In 2002, my only way of knowing DT was coming to Boston was when it was announced in a local music paper.

Exactly.  In 2002, I was unaware of any online information source about what DT might be playing.  I only learned this week that MP had actually made a (semi-)public pronouncement at some point about the second night of tour stops.

The ultimate point of all this is that only the most super-dialed in folks knew about this (esp. back at the turn of the century).  This was NOT something that was universally known to the general ticket-buying public.  So that's "how [we] missed the news."
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 28, 2022, 04:54:48 PM

Did DT advertise that the second night in a city would feature a cover beyond mentioning it on online forums? I would have to imagine the majority of people going to that second night had no idea a cover was coming.

Not at first, no.  Only when there was a lot of criticism of it after the first couple did Portnoy then make it clear that the second night of two nights in the same city would feature the cover of a classic album.  I know this because we traveled to Chicago for the 2nd night there in 2002, and we never would have bought tickets to go to just the 2nd show had we known that the whole set would be covers.  Not complaining (anymore :lol ), just saying.


I travelled to Chicago (from central Kentucky) for both of those shows, because I knew what they were doing, so I'm not sure how you missed the news.

Huh..was it advertised somewhere? In 2002, my only way of knowing DT was coming to Boston was when it was announced in a local music paper.

No, it was not, and anyone saying it was known anywhere is dabbling in revisionist history.  There was no official announcement, no news, no anything. 

The band made no announcements that the second night would feature a cover album prior to the tour.  Once they did Master of Puppets the first time, it was then speculated that the second night in each city getting two shows would get the same treatment, but that was NEVER confirmed by the band or Mike Portnoy ANYWHERE.  Only when they did the Chicago show (the 2nd one where MoP was played) and there was a lot of online blowback, did Portnoy then release an unofficial statement confirming that that would be the case going forward on the rest of that tour.

Anyone saying that that was not the case is either misremembering or talking out of their behinds. :P :P
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on April 28, 2022, 06:33:34 PM
...I'm not sure how you missed the news.

There was no official announcement, no news, no anything. 

I say this in jest, Kev, but you aren't sure how we missed the news, despite there not being any? :p
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 28, 2022, 08:22:24 PM
Now I am confused since that first quote there wasn't mine.  :lol :lol
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on April 28, 2022, 08:41:43 PM
Damn quote pyramids!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on April 29, 2022, 11:05:55 AM

Did DT advertise that the second night in a city would feature a cover beyond mentioning it on online forums? I would have to imagine the majority of people going to that second night had no idea a cover was coming.

Not at first, no.  Only when there was a lot of criticism of it after the first couple did Portnoy then make it clear that the second night of two nights in the same city would feature the cover of a classic album.  I know this because we traveled to Chicago for the 2nd night there in 2002, and we never would have bought tickets to go to just the 2nd show had we known that the whole set would be covers.  Not complaining (anymore :lol ), just saying.


I travelled to Chicago (from central Kentucky) for both of those shows, because I knew what they were doing, so I'm not sure how you missed the news.

Huh..was it advertised somewhere? In 2002, my only way of knowing DT was coming to Boston was when it was announced in a local music paper.

No, it was not, and anyone saying it was known anywhere is dabbling in revisionist history.  There was no official announcement, no news, no anything. 

The band made no announcements that the second night would feature a cover album prior to the tour.  Once they did Master of Puppets the first time, it was then speculated that the second night in each city getting two shows would get the same treatment, but that was NEVER confirmed by the band or Mike Portnoy ANYWHERE.  Only when they did the Chicago show (the 2nd one where MoP was played) and there was a lot of online blowback, did Portnoy then release an unofficial statement confirming that that would be the case going forward on the rest of that tour.

Anyone saying that that was not the case is either misremembering or talking out of their behinds. :P :P


Well, I would search the mp.com forums, if they were available, but I'm telling you, I did not drive from Central Kentucky to Chicago for a 2-night stay on a whim.  I knew about the 2nd night cover album, and my wife was hoping they'd break out a Rush album.  Alas, it was only Metallica instead.


Edit:  It may have been speculation, rather than official at that point, but I was certain we were going to be getting a cover album on night 2.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: DanLore on April 29, 2022, 12:51:50 PM
This discussion reminded me of the first DT show I attended with my wife.  We went to the 2nd night at The Beacon on 03/28/2002, my third show of that tour.  I have no recollection of how I found out, but I knew we were getting Master of Puppets for the 2nd set.  Even though I had not heard note one of that album before that night, I was open to the experience.  I felt bad for my poor wife however, as this may have been a bit over the top for her very first DT experience.  As the 2nd set started and we got SDOIT, I was stoked, as I would much rather have heard that song than MoP. 

As the DT world found out, we got the best of both worlds that night.  My wife was soon sleeping comfortably on my shoulder about half way through Battery and for the rest of MoP.  (I woke her up for the encores, which she enjoyed.)  She had survived one the longest (if not the longest) DT show ever, and enjoyed the ride almost as much as I did.  She's since been to most of the 20 plus DT shows I've attended, and has loved them all.  Over twenty years later however, she has yet to hear MoP in its entirety. 

Maybe I'll break it out for our anniversary...

DanLore
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on April 29, 2022, 01:22:34 PM
Hey Dan...  hope you're well. 
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: DanLore on April 29, 2022, 01:40:14 PM
 :tup Hope you're the same!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on April 29, 2022, 09:03:14 PM
... she has yet to hear MoP in its entirety. 

I'm envious  :biggrin:

Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 30, 2022, 03:43:26 PM
... she has yet to hear MoP in its entirety. 

I'm envious  :biggrin:

Me too. I would love to hear that album for the first time again.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on May 02, 2022, 06:20:17 AM
... she has yet to hear MoP in its entirety. 

I'm envious  :biggrin:

Me too. I would love to hear that album for the first time again.

Haha, I read Chris' comment slightly differently (I'm not the hugest fan of MoP).
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 02, 2022, 08:14:48 AM
Also, the bit about it being understood is a bit iffy.  I don't remember what tour it was, but I remember seeing that they had back to back shows scheduled in Calgary.  Knowing that this was a thing that DT did, and thinking they might cover a Rush album since they were in Canada, I came very close to buying plane tickets and a ticket for the second night.  Fortunately, I didn't do it because the set list for the second night was did not feature a cover performance (and yes, this was while MP was still in the band).
After the 2002 Barcelona show when they did MoP for the very first time, MP made it very clear that those cover album shows would only happen when they did two-night-stands at Evening With shows. Those shows in Calgary were part of Prog Nation 2008 which had 3 bands opening, so DT was only doing a 90 minute set to begin with. It's given they weren't gonna do a cover album at those shows.

Made it clear how and to whom?  The several dozen people who were regularly on the MP forums?  It ultimately didn't matter for me, but I had heard hearsay about the whole "second night" thing, but I had no inkling that there were caveats.  And, in any event, this gets back to the original point, which is that, except for the most super dialed-in fans, the "second night" thing (much less the stipulations) was not well-known or regularly understood by most folks who bought tickets to DT shows.  Again, it ultimately didn't matter for me, and I certainly knew there was no guarantee about the show I considered (which is the primary reason I didn't pull the trigger on the tickets).  However, if I had gone to a DT show and had gotten a bunch of Pink Floyd covers, I'd have been crazy pissed.
Not sure what to say.  It was made known by the band (MP) to the fans who know things through the ways that those things are made known.  People who don't make it a point to keep up or know stuff, didn't know.  *shrugs*

Was it made known outside of Portnoy's site though?
Well, at that time there was no facebook or Twitter.  MP talked about it, and it got shared from there in places where such things would get shared, such as what was then DTF.com, and other DT or music related sites that existed at the time.

There wasn't really any other way to share the info.  They weren't a big enough band with a big enough budget to have such things printed on the tickets just for those shows or cut individual radio/TV commercials for those markets.

We have testimony in this thread from two different people who traveled to shows specifically because they knew what was going to happen.  So the news was out there (or EVENTUALLY got put out there) for the fans who were most connected, and for the fans who weren't connected, it was a surprise.

The only thing I will say is that I don't think anything was said before the first one; I think that was a surprise.  It was definitely weird that they were doing back-to-back nights in the same venue, so I'm sure that at least some fans suspected something special MIGHT happen at some point during the 2-night stand.  But once MP explained what it was, I remember speculating with people online about what kinds of things might be covered whenever new tour stops were announced and new 2-night stands showed up.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 02, 2022, 10:01:49 AM
The only thing I will say is that I don't think anything was said before the first one; I think that was a surprise.
Correct, altho IIRC, it was announced that something special would happen at that show.

Here's some pertinent comments from MP taken from the YJR-issue of the MoP official bootleg:
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Dream Theater is playing the 2nd night of a 2 night stand in Barcelona, Spain... After an almost 2 hour 1st set of DT material and a 15 minute intermission, the lights went out and the opening chords to “Battery” began... 50 minutes later, the Spanish crowd had no idea what had hit them! The next day the word was all over the internet and our new tradition to cover a classic album whenever we did a 2 night stand in the same city had been established... but for those 50 minutes in Barcelona, the completely unsuspecting crowd had no way to see it coming... I remember looking into the crowd by the time we started “The Thing That Should Not Be” and seeing people look at each other like “Holy shit... they’re doing the whole fucking thing!!!”
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on May 02, 2022, 01:03:38 PM
Here's some pertinent comments from MP taken from the YJR-issue of the MoP official bootleg:
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Dream Theater is playing the 2nd night of a 2 night stand in Barcelona, Spain... After an almost 2 hour 1st set of DT material and a 15 minute intermission, the lights went out and the opening chords to “Battery” began... 50 minutes later, the Spanish crowd had no idea what had hit them! The next day the word was all over the internet and our new tradition to cover a classic album whenever we did a 2 night stand in the same city had been established... but for those 50 minutes in Barcelona, the completely unsuspecting crowd had no way to see it coming... I remember looking into the crowd by the time we started “The Thing That Should Not Be” and seeing people look at each other like “Holy shit... they’re doing the whole fucking thing!!!”

That's some pretty major hyperbole.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on May 02, 2022, 01:06:16 PM
Here's some pertinent comments from MP taken from the YJR-issue of the MoP official bootleg:
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Dream Theater is playing the 2nd night of a 2 night stand in Barcelona, Spain... After an almost 2 hour 1st set of DT material and a 15 minute intermission, the lights went out and the opening chords to “Battery” began... 50 minutes later, the Spanish crowd had no idea what had hit them! The next day the word was all over the internet and our new tradition to cover a classic album whenever we did a 2 night stand in the same city had been established... but for those 50 minutes in Barcelona, the completely unsuspecting crowd had no way to see it coming... I remember looking into the crowd by the time we started “The Thing That Should Not Be” and seeing people look at each other like “Holy shit... they’re doing the whole fucking thing!!!”

That's some pretty major hyperbole.

I know, right? :lol


It went VIRAL!!
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Post by: KevShmev on May 02, 2022, 01:32:47 PM
Yep, that is major revisionist history, but I will leave it at that, as I do not want to keep litigating it. 
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Post by: 425 on May 02, 2022, 01:35:23 PM
I think it would be hard for MP to know, coming from his perspective, how accessible information like this was to the typical fan.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 02, 2022, 01:55:09 PM
Here's some pertinent comments from MP taken from the YJR-issue of the MoP official bootleg:
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Dream Theater is playing the 2nd night of a 2 night stand in Barcelona, Spain... After an almost 2 hour 1st set of DT material and a 15 minute intermission, the lights went out and the opening chords to “Battery” began... 50 minutes later, the Spanish crowd had no idea what had hit them! The next day the word was all over the internet and our new tradition to cover a classic album whenever we did a 2 night stand in the same city had been established... but for those 50 minutes in Barcelona, the completely unsuspecting crowd had no way to see it coming... I remember looking into the crowd by the time we started “The Thing That Should Not Be” and seeing people look at each other like “Holy shit... they’re doing the whole fucking thing!!!”

That's some pretty major hyperbole.
It was all over the parts of the internet where rabid DT fans were active.  If any given individual was not active on those parts of the internet at the time, then no, they wouldn't have known about it.

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Post by: TAC on May 02, 2022, 01:58:27 PM
I would not have known it, as I was not real active on the internet at that time.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 02, 2022, 02:11:11 PM
Here's some pertinent comments from MP taken from the YJR-issue of the MoP official bootleg:
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Dream Theater is playing the 2nd night of a 2 night stand in Barcelona, Spain... After an almost 2 hour 1st set of DT material and a 15 minute intermission, the lights went out and the opening chords to “Battery” began... 50 minutes later, the Spanish crowd had no idea what had hit them! The next day the word was all over the internet and our new tradition to cover a classic album whenever we did a 2 night stand in the same city had been established... but for those 50 minutes in Barcelona, the completely unsuspecting crowd had no way to see it coming... I remember looking into the crowd by the time we started “The Thing That Should Not Be” and seeing people look at each other like “Holy shit... they’re doing the whole fucking thing!!!”
That's some pretty major hyperbole.
I know, right? :lol


It went VIRAL!!
Not necessarily completely. As hef pointed out, the level of connection 20 years ago was not what it is today. But for what it was, it was definitely news that was being talked about. For reference, look at the last post in this Ytsejam digest 2 days after it happened (keeping in mind that the Ytsejam Mailing List was already a shell of what it once was):
http://interzone.com/Music/Ytsejam/2002/Feb/0030.html
Unfortunately, the referenced link doesn't exist but obviously it was being talked about on MP.com the next day, if not the same day.

Better yet, Blabbermouth reported on it the next day:
https://blabbermouth.net/news/dream-theater-performs-metallica-s-entire-puppets-cd-at-special-spanish-gig

So was it all over the internet like MP attending a DT show in March? No. But it was definitely being discussed in the online DT circles right after it happened, and certainly news spread in the following days.

edit: Sounds like it didn't take too long for Lars to even find out about it either:
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Ulrich reportedly called DREAM THEATER drummer Mike Portnoy in the days following the gig...
https://blabbermouth.net/news/metallica-s-lars-ulrich-i-can-t-wait-to-hear-dream-theater-s-rendition-of-puppets

So yeah, nowhere near the hyperbole as you doubters might think if Lars himself got wind of it and called MP shortly after it happened.  ;)
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Post by: KevShmev on May 02, 2022, 04:26:54 PM
I don't think anyone is saying it wasn't talked about after the first time they played all of Master of Puppets.  I have not seen anyone make the argument.

The point is that it was not announced by anyone in the band as being an official thing, at least not officially or at dt.net or mp.com.  Only when there was backlash after the Chicago show (the 2nd city where they did MoP) did Portnoy come out and say online for sure that any second night in the same city would feature them covering an entire album.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 02, 2022, 05:21:00 PM
I don't think anyone is saying it wasn't talked about after the first time they played all of Master of Puppets.  I have not seen anyone make the argument.
That's not the impression I got from what pg1067 highlighted in the MP quote.
 
 
The point is that it was not announced by anyone in the band as being an official thing, at least not officially or at dt.net or mp.com.  Only when there was backlash after the Chicago show (the 2nd city where they did MoP) did Portnoy come out and say online for sure that any second night in the same city would feature them covering an entire album.
No arguments that it wasn't announced at that time as being an official thing - that's obvious from here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20020604102702/http://www.dreamtheater.net/tour2002.htm

Nonetheless, with the Chicago and NYC shows also being announced as special shows (just as the Barcelona show was), it didn't take much to put 2+2 together and figure that the same thing (or another cover album) would be featured during the second set.
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Post by: 425 on May 02, 2022, 05:51:51 PM
Better yet, Blabbermouth reported on it the next day:
https://blabbermouth.net/news/dream-theater-performs-metallica-s-entire-puppets-cd-at-special-spanish-gig

By far the most disturbing thing I've learned from this discussion is that Blabbermouth has been around for over 20 years.
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on May 02, 2022, 06:40:22 PM
I don't think anyone is saying it wasn't talked about after the first time they played all of Master of Puppets.  I have not seen anyone make the argument.

The point is that it was not announced by anyone in the band as being an official thing, at least not officially or at dt.net or mp.com.  Only when there was backlash after the Chicago show (the 2nd city where they did MoP) did Portnoy come out and say online for sure that any second night in the same city would feature them covering an entire album.

This whole argument would amount to nothing if DT just advertised on posters "A very special surprise set covering an album by a famous band!!!"
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Post by: Stadler on May 03, 2022, 06:54:26 AM
 But then it wouldn't be a surprise!  :)
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Post by: TheSoylentMan on May 03, 2022, 07:13:49 AM
Better yet, Blabbermouth reported on it the next day:
https://blabbermouth.net/news/dream-theater-performs-metallica-s-entire-puppets-cd-at-special-spanish-gig

By far the most disturbing thing I've learned from this discussion is that Blabbermouth has been around for over 20 years.

Absolutely. I was pretty surprised to see that.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on May 03, 2022, 09:13:19 AM
I don't think anyone is saying it wasn't talked about after the first time they played all of Master of Puppets.  I have not seen anyone make the argument.
That's not the impression I got from what pg1067 highlighted in the MP quote.


This horse is dead, and further beatings will serve no purpose.  However, since you mentioned me.  The intent of my comment when I bolded part of the MP quote was that the statement that "word was all over the internet" is ridiculous hyperbole.  I am not arguing or suggesting that no one talked about it after it happened, and the point that seems to be well-established on both sides of the argument is that the information about these cover performances was available but generally only known to those fans who were the most well-connected on the internet.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 03, 2022, 10:54:32 AM
I don't think anyone is saying it wasn't talked about after the first time they played all of Master of Puppets.  I have not seen anyone make the argument.
That's not the impression I got from what pg1067 highlighted in the MP quote.
This horse is dead, and further beatings will serve no purpose.  However, since you mentioned me.  The intent of my comment when I bolded part of the MP quote was that the statement that "word was all over the internet" is ridiculous hyperbole.  I am not arguing or suggesting that no one talked about it after it happened, and the point that seems to be well-established on both sides of the argument is that the information about these cover performances was available but generally only known to those fans who were the most well-connected on the internet.
Dead horse or not, I disagree. If Lars Ulrich heard about it within days of it happening, then it certainly went outside that circle of "the most well-connected on the internet". Let's also remember the context of MP's comment - he obviously wasn't speaking about it being on CNN.com, MSN.com, Time magazine, USA Today, etc. nor was he implying that. He was speaking within music/musician circles. And as has already been said, the level of connection online then is nowhere what it is today, but given the scope that it was at the time, it was being widely discussed. So given those considerations, is his statement "ridiculous hyperbole"? No.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 04, 2022, 02:11:07 PM
I'm not gonna keep beating the dead horse since I wasn't a fan back then for Smol Babby reasons, but the other day I was just talking about how we have literally forgotten what we used to do on the internet to get music news. It's like our brains are just making a shortcut between our ways to get info now and their unavailability in the past and going "well surely I had no idea of what was going on back then", and some people didn't, but we used to know stuff all the same. Going to an artist website or a news aggregator or a chat board was something that was done quite often and you didn't have to be particularly "dialed in" to do it. The percentage of people who are mildly "dialed in" with setlists right now when Facebook is delivering them what Blabbermouth says Tool played on their first show in three years and back then is about the same.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: don_waka on May 13, 2022, 08:53:56 AM
Falling into Infinity Demos are out  ;D
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Post by: EPIC Outro on May 13, 2022, 09:18:10 AM

Do they sound any different than the 2007 Ytsejam release?
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Post by: HOF on May 13, 2022, 09:38:26 AM
Falling into Infinity Demos are out  ;D


Do they sound any different than the 2007 Ytsejam release?

Mail came early here, so I hold the CD here in my grubby hands. Never was able to get a copy of the original so I don't have anything to compare it to besides what's been previously uploaded to YouTube.
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Post by: gzarruk on May 13, 2022, 09:48:13 AM

Do they sound any different than the 2007 Ytsejam release?

I'm curious to know how they compare to the COTC versions of these tracks. Those sounded much better than the YtseJam release.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 13, 2022, 11:03:16 AM
I've been listening to it for the last 2 hours on Spotify, and it sounds fine to me.  I mean, they are demos, so they aren't going to sound as good as the FII studio album (the best sounding, best produced DT studio album, IMO), but they sound fine. 
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Post by: goo-goo on May 13, 2022, 12:56:20 PM

Do they sound any different than the 2007 Ytsejam release?

I'm curious to know how they compare to the COTC versions of these tracks. Those sounded much better than the YtseJam release.

I don't think they have been remastered. The press releases for some of the other LNF boots have mentioned if they were remastered.
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Post by: HOF on May 13, 2022, 01:31:55 PM

Do they sound any different than the 2007 Ytsejam release?

I'm curious to know how they compare to the COTC versions of these tracks. Those sounded much better than the YtseJam release.

I don't think they have been remastered. The press releases for some of the other LNF boots have mentioned if they were remastered.

The CD liner has the following credits:
- Additional audio editing: James 'Jimmy T' Nelson
- Mastered by Peter van 't Riet

Does not mention re-mastering, but not sure if those guys did the some new work on this version or if they did the original version. Have not heard the original YtseJam release, but this CD sounds fine. They sound like demos, but from a mastering standpoint they sound probably about as good as you can make demos sound.
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Post by: jimgolf on May 13, 2022, 09:14:03 PM
I just stared listening to the falling into infinity demoes and it sounds about like the rest of the releases as far as “remastering” (meaning it’s not a big remaster but it is cleaned up a little bit). I’m just happy to have a nice version of it released on streaming to go to these days because I’m a big fan of the falling into infinity demoes - lots of great stuff on there. If any fan hasn’t listened to the demos I would say give them a spin.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: HOF on May 13, 2022, 11:49:03 PM
Listening to the Metropolis Pt. II demo, and I really can’t figure why it was such a big deal to MP back in the day to NEVER let anyone hear this. He acted like it was something really embarrassing or amateur or something. It’s a really cool demo and it holds up just fine along with pretty much any other demo I’ve heard by anyone. Are there some messy parts? Sure, but nothing that would count as embarrassing I don’t think.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: geeeemo on May 14, 2022, 08:10:13 AM
The FII release is fantastic. As a newer fan, I dont have or am as familiar with much of the music outside the regular albums. To hear all the songs together was great. I am a big fan of FII anyway. I loved BMS with HK. I dont get the low ranking for NM, it's really so good here. The songs that didn't make the album were enjoyable as well, and I will be listening to this more to learn them better and see how much I like them. I may be able to vote more accurately the next time when these songs show up.
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Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 14, 2022, 09:52:39 AM
Listening to the Metropolis Pt. II demo, and I really can’t figure why it was such a big deal to MP back in the day to NEVER let anyone hear this. He acted like it was something really embarrassing or amateur or something. It’s a really cool demo and it holds up just fine along with pretty much any other demo I’ve heard by anyone. Are there some messy parts? Sure, but nothing that would count as embarrassing I don’t think.
The version that leaked is not the version on the FII demos. The version that leaked is WAY more loose and it's obvious the band was finding their way through the song. IIRC, what ended up on the FII demos was actually assembled from a few different performances, whereas I believe the original was just a straight shot all the way through. So I can see why he didn't want it circulated.

The irony of it is, there's a couple of things I actually prefer in the extra rough version!   :P
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Post by: devieira73 on May 14, 2022, 09:58:54 AM
Wow, didn't know that. After all these years, I'm feeling just like a padawan now! (because of you again, Scotty  ;))
This original leaked version is somewhere on youtube? I did a quick research, but I couldn't find it.
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Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 14, 2022, 10:49:38 AM
Wow, didn't know that. After all these years, I'm feeling just like a padawan now! (because of you again, Scotty  ;))
This original leaked version is somewhere on youtube? I did a quick research, but I couldn't find it.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's out there somewhere, but I couldn't find it either.
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Post by: HOF on May 14, 2022, 11:37:06 AM
Listening to the Metropolis Pt. II demo, and I really can’t figure why it was such a big deal to MP back in the day to NEVER let anyone hear this. He acted like it was something really embarrassing or amateur or something. It’s a really cool demo and it holds up just fine along with pretty much any other demo I’ve heard by anyone. Are there some messy parts? Sure, but nothing that would count as embarrassing I don’t think.
The version that leaked is not the version on the FII demos. The version that leaked is WAY more loose and it's obvious the band was finding their way through the song. IIRC, what ended up on the FII demos was actually assembled from a few different performances, whereas I believe the original was just a straight shot all the way through. So I can see why he didn't want it circulated.

The irony of it is, there's a couple of things I actually prefer in the extra rough version!   :P

Ah, I did not know this, or if I did I had forgotten. Probably explained it in the original Ytsejam liner notes, which were not included in this release.

I really like this demo, and think it would have been interesting to hear what Met II might have been as a stand-alone epic song rather than a full album.
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Post by: Deadeye21 on May 17, 2022, 07:51:42 AM
Saw a leak of the next release, and we’re getting something new again. Live in Berlin 2019, with the festival setlist of Untethered Angel, A Nightmare to Remember, Fall Into the Light, Peruvian Skies, Barstool Warrior, In the Presence of Enemies P1, Dance of Eternity, Lie, Pale Blue Dot and As I Am. So looks like they are gonna release some newer material after all. Didn’t see a release date though.
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Post by: gzarruk on May 17, 2022, 08:04:50 AM
Saw a leak of the next release, and we’re getting something new again. Live in Berlin 2019, with the festival setlist of Untethered Angel, A Nightmare to Remember, Fall Into the Light, Peruvian Skies, Barstool Warrior, In the Presence of Enemies P1, Dance of Eternity, Lie, Pale Blue Dot and As I Am. So looks like they are gonna release some newer material after all. Didn’t see a release date though.

Love that they're adding more new stuff this soon! I would've preferred something a bit different since we already have live versions of all these songs with this lineup, but I'm definitely getting this one anyway :tup
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Post by: EPIC Outro on May 17, 2022, 09:27:39 AM
Here's hoping there might be some differences in these performances compared to the Distant Memories release. Even if not, I'm always pumped for more DT.
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Post by: TAC on May 17, 2022, 08:08:53 PM
Saw a leak of the next release, and we’re getting something new again. Live in Berlin 2019, with the festival setlist of Untethered Angel, A Nightmare to Remember, Fall Into the Light, Peruvian Skies, Barstool Warrior, In the Presence of Enemies P1, Dance of Eternity, Lie, Pale Blue Dot and As I Am. So looks like they are gonna release some newer material after all. Didn’t see a release date though.

Oh hell yes!! :metal
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 18, 2022, 06:47:08 AM
I don't know.  Isn't most of that (if not all) on the Distant Memories package?
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Post by: Cool Chris on May 18, 2022, 08:50:27 AM
That was my first thought. And don't we have As I Am, Lie, and Peruvian Skies on live releases already also?
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Post by: TAC on May 18, 2022, 09:21:45 AM
I don't know.  Isn't most of that (if not all) on the Distant Memories package?

That’s ok. I’ll take a (hopefully) full set from a festival show. I don’t care about any overlap with DM.
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Post by: 425 on May 18, 2022, 09:34:26 AM
At the risk of reviving the debate over their live performances now versus their live performances with MP, one difference is that I would care much less about overlap if it was an MP-era release. The fact that those performances were all live without a click track means that there's a very good chance that two different performances of the same song are going to have a significantly different feel. The way they do it now, I feel like there's not much variation between two performances.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 18, 2022, 11:28:22 AM
I'm game for that release. Will be interesting to hear the differences, especially regarding JLBs vocals. I wonder if they'll be better than Distant Memories.
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Post by: Mr.Mister on May 18, 2022, 03:56:25 PM
I'm so happy now I have "Cover My Eyes" on my spotify account. I fn love that song!  :biggrin:
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Post by: Max Kuehnau on May 18, 2022, 04:00:30 PM
I don't know.  Isn't most of that (if not all) on the Distant Memories package?
most of it is yes, the only ones that aren't are Lie, Peruvian Skies and As I Am, and yes, IIRC, this was a full festival show of the D/T cycle.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on May 18, 2022, 07:22:24 PM
I stopped being a completionist years ago, and along with my budget, my music listening time is limited. If you give me two releases from the same time frame that have similar sets, I am just going to pick the one I prefer more.
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Post by: Dream Team on May 24, 2022, 11:10:54 AM
Finally got around to listen to this (I didn't notice it was available on my streaming service) and I think now my preferred version of the album would have been:

Burning My Soul '96
The Way it Used to Be
Lines in the Sand '96
You or Me
Raise the Knife
Take Away my Pain '96
Just Let Me Breathe '96
Speak to Me
Trial of Tears

About the same album length but loses all my least favorite songs; even Peruvian Skies to me is just an unremarkable Pink Floyd/Metallica mash-up with a pretty neat JP solo. New Millennium I don't care for that much except for MP's drumming during the instrumental section. Ann Lee I never liked, and my preferred Budokan version of Hollow Years is too long. This version would move out of last place in my rankings up at least above Systematic Chaos and perhaps over Octavarium and Train of Thought as well.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: nick_z on May 27, 2022, 11:54:08 AM
There was a thread not long ago about re-imagining FII, with the potential inclusion of songs that didn't make the cut (and/or choosing the demo version
 - of course properly recorded - for the songs that did make the cut). Taking it from there, this would be my tracklist of a hypothetical alternative single-CD version:

1. New Millennium
2. Peruvian Skies
3. Raise the Knife
4. Hell's Kitchen
5. Lines in the Sand
6. Take Away My Pain (I like both versions, actually, so either would work for me)
7. The Way It Used to Be
8. Speak to Me
9. Trial of Tears

76:13 running time

I would happily include Just Let Me Breathe, but that would push the runtime past 80 minutes.

I actually already love FII, but I would like this even more  :biggrin:
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Post by: ZirconBlue on May 27, 2022, 01:27:21 PM
I've been listening to the FII demos for the past few days.  I have no issue with the sound quality, personally.  One thing that struck me this time around is how much slide guitar JP was using.  Did he ever use slide guitar on any of their other albums?  Off the top of my head, I can't think of any.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on June 01, 2022, 10:14:07 AM
So it seems there won't be a release in July.

The new one (Live in Berlin 2019) is listed for an August release on Amazon.
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Post by: Dream Team on June 01, 2022, 01:39:14 PM
Seriously? We’ve already got that set on Distance Memories.  :sadpanda:
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Post by: sfam2112 on June 01, 2022, 08:56:43 PM
Seriously? We’ve already got that set on Distance Memories.  :sadpanda:

Not quite. They were playing a slightly different set on the first European leg of D/T. No SFAM in its entirety, no "Evening W/" format.

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2019/tempodrom-berlin-germany-3b9100a4.html

Quote

Atlas (Instrumental Alt)
(Nick Phoenix & Thomas J. Bergersen song)

Untethered Angel
A Nightmare to Remember
Fall Into the Light
In the Presence of Enemies, Part I
Barstool Warrior
Peruvian Skies
Act II: Scene Seven: I. The Dance of Eternity
Lie
Pale Blue Dot

Encore:
As I Am
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: don_waka on June 05, 2022, 06:47:05 AM
There was a thread not long ago about re-imagining FII, with the potential inclusion of songs that didn't make the cut (and/or choosing the demo version
 - of course properly recorded - for the songs that did make the cut). Taking it from there, this would be my tracklist of a hypothetical alternative single-CD version:

1. New Millennium
2. Peruvian Skies
3. Raise the Knife
4. Hell's Kitchen
5. Lines in the Sand
6. Take Away My Pain (I like both versions, actually, so either would work for me)
7. The Way It Used to Be
8. Speak to Me
9. Trial of Tears

76:13 running time

I would happily include Just Let Me Breathe, but that would push the runtime past 80 minutes.

I actually already love FII, but I would like this even more  :biggrin:

Sounds good, I'd go for something like this:

1. New Millenium
2. Peruvian Skies
3. Raise the Knife
4. Hell's Kitchen
5. Lines in the Sand
6. Where are you know?
7. The way it used to be
8. Eve
9. Cover my eyes
10. Speak to me
11. Trial of Tears
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: HOF on June 05, 2022, 02:21:12 PM
The track I’ve gained the most appreciation for since getting the FII demos is Where Are You Now. I always thought the chorus and middle section were a little weak, and I’m still not sure about the chorus, but there is some really awesome riffage on the verses, and the solo sections are great. I can see why it was passed over because it doesn’t all flow together quite right and I still think the chorus needed some work. But I think the bones of a really cool song are there.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 05, 2022, 03:11:40 PM
The track I’ve gained the most appreciation for since getting the FII demos is Where Are You Now. I always thought the chorus and middle section were a little weak, and I’m still not sure about the chorus, but there is some really awesome riffage on the verses, and the solo sections are great. I can see why it was passed over because it doesn’t all flow together quite right and I still think the chorus needed some work. But I think the bones of a really cool song are there.

I love the song and the only part I think didn't fit was the slow part with JLB singing, "Life ain't gonna". The rest is great including how the guitar and keyboard both do the same solo melody during different sections.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on June 05, 2022, 03:20:52 PM
The track I’ve gained the most appreciation for since getting the FII demos is Where Are You Now. I always thought the chorus and middle section were a little weak, and I’m still not sure about the chorus, but there is some really awesome riffage on the verses, and the solo sections are great. I can see why it was passed over because it doesn’t all flow together quite right and I still think the chorus needed some work. But I think the bones of a really cool song are there.

 :lol

I have to laugh HOF. Not laughing at you, but I find it funny that you are on such an opposite side than me. I literally think this is one of the worst things they've ever out down on tape.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: HOF on June 05, 2022, 04:24:54 PM
The track I’ve gained the most appreciation for since getting the FII demos is Where Are You Now. I always thought the chorus and middle section were a little weak, and I’m still not sure about the chorus, but there is some really awesome riffage on the verses, and the solo sections are great. I can see why it was passed over because it doesn’t all flow together quite right and I still think the chorus needed some work. But I think the bones of a really cool song are there.

 :lol

I have to laugh HOF. Not laughing at you, but I find it funny that you are on such an opposite side than me. I literally think this is one of the worst things they've ever out down on tape.

Hey, I just laugh about it too at this point! I don’t fault you for disliking it, as it never jumped out at me before either. Not sure what makes it objectionable as opposed to just uninteresting though. The verses in particular are really cool to me. Maybe too mid-tempo? I did think they could have picked up the pace a bit.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: NoseofNicko on June 05, 2022, 04:31:49 PM
Where Are You Now is my second favorite (first is Raise the Knife) of the FII demos songs.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on June 05, 2022, 04:37:03 PM
Where Are You Now sounds like one of the awful tunes from Hear In The Now Frontier.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: HOF on June 05, 2022, 05:23:46 PM
Never actually heard Hear In The Now Frontier except for Sign of the Times, but I guess the two songs are a bit similar.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on June 05, 2022, 06:10:30 PM
Where Are You Now sounds like one of the awful tunes from Hear In The Now Frontier.

one of the awful tunes from Hear In The Now Frontier?

Never actually heard Hear In The Now Frontier except for Sign of the Times...

Stop where you are and call it good.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on June 06, 2022, 05:59:19 AM
Where Are You Now sounds like one of the awful tunes from Hear In The Now Frontier.

one of the awful tunes from Hear In The Now Frontier?

Never actually heard Hear In The Now Frontier except for Sign of the Times...

Stop where you are and call it good.

Haha.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Deadeye21 on June 06, 2022, 07:28:25 AM
Where Are You Now is a great song, but one of my absolute favourites has to be The Way It Used To Be. I think that song got robbed when it wasn’t put on FII. That solo at the end is one of my favourite Petrucci solos.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on June 06, 2022, 07:40:05 AM
Where Are You Now is a great song, but one of my absolute favourites has to be The Way It Used To Be. I think that song got robbed when it wasn’t put on FII. That solo at the end is one of my favourite Petrucci solos.

Great song.  That and Cover My Eyes (I LOVE that vocal).
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: EPIC Outro on June 06, 2022, 07:48:11 AM

I'm also going to throw some love toward Where are You Now? If Portnoy we're still in the band, do you think this song would have been brought back live by now?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: HOF on June 06, 2022, 09:21:10 AM
Where Are You Now is a great song, but one of my absolute favourites has to be The Way It Used To Be. I think that song got robbed when it wasn’t put on FII. That solo at the end is one of my favourite Petrucci solos.

Yes, The Way It Used to be is a top 10 DT song for me. Criminal that they left it off the album! Speak to Me is the other one that I absolutely adore from the demos.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on June 06, 2022, 09:25:27 AM

I'm also going to throw some love toward Where are You Now? If Portnoy we're still in the band, do you think this song would have been brought back live by now?

Considering they only played it 3 times in 1998 and then never again, and Mike left in 2010, I highly doubt it.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on June 06, 2022, 11:10:20 AM
I just remembered that the special edition for The Astonishing novel had a bonus disc or something like that containing some demos from the TA sessions. I don't think a lot of people got or even know about these, so I'd love to see those demos being offered as a new LNFA release someday. I don't even know what was in those demos tbh :P
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 06, 2022, 03:00:35 PM
I'm also going to throw some love toward Where are You Now? If Portnoy we're still in the band, do you think this song would have been brought back live by now?
Considering they only played it 3 times in 1998 and then never again, and Mike left in 2010, I highly doubt it.
I agree with this, although I could imagine that if MP were in the band, there could always have been another special show or series of shows like those in December 1998 where such rarities could be resurrected. And in 2009(?) MP had spoken about adding You or Me (not to be confused with You Not Me) to the master setlist for a future tour, so who knows? A hypothetical that we'll never get the answer to...
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on June 06, 2022, 05:32:33 PM
And in 2009(?) MP had spoken about adding You or Me (not to be confused with You Not Me) to the master setlist for a future tour, so who knows?

Now THAT would've been interesting to see! :eek
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on June 06, 2022, 05:53:34 PM
And in 2009(?) MP had spoken about adding You or Me (not to be confused with You Not Me) to the master setlist for a future tour, so who knows?

Now THAT would've been interesting to see! :eek

It's a piss break either way.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: devieira73 on June 06, 2022, 06:10:09 PM
Seeing that everyone has a perfect (and different) version of FII, I'm really conviced that FII should have been a double album, with Metropolis pt. 2 finished and basically the rest of the songs closer to its original arrangements. Personally, I'm sure that would like this way, with just a little nuances, like keeping the lyrics, the faster tempo and that drum intro of You Not Me; keeping the demo arrangement of Take Away My Pain; keeping the studio arrangement of Lines in the Sand and adding that little (and super cool!) keyboard pattern of Hell's Kitchen (2:47 to 3:01) on the demo version of Burning My Soul .
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on June 06, 2022, 06:20:05 PM
Seeing that everyone has a perfect (and different) version of FII, I'm really conviced that FII should have been a double album, with Metropolis pt. 2 finished and basically the rest of the songs closer to its original arrangements. Personally, I'm sure that would like this way, with just a little nuances, like keeping the lyrics, the faster tempo and that drum intro of You Not Me; keeping the demo arrangement of Take Away My Pain; keeping the studio arrangement of Lines in the Sand and adding that little (and super cool!) keyboard pattern of Hell's Kitchen (2:47 to 3:01) on the demo version of Burning My Soul .

Usually, I tend to go with the final product (the actual FII album) for the songs that made the cut, but I think a "better" version of the album would be a double, including those 5 other completed songs (not counting Met. 2).
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on June 06, 2022, 06:26:01 PM
Then we'd have a double album of weak material instead of a single album.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on June 06, 2022, 06:29:29 PM
Then we'd have a double album of weak material instead of a single album.

The actual album isn't too strong anyway either :P
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: NoseofNicko on June 06, 2022, 08:01:21 PM
Bought Live in NYC 1993 last Friday. I’d never heard Eve before, it’s pretty fantastic. I tried to do a search for some discussion about it but couldn’t find anything, is there a thread about it somewhere?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on June 06, 2022, 08:46:00 PM
Then we'd have a double album of weak material instead of a single album.

This.

Bought Live in NYC 1993 last Friday. I’d never heard Eve before, it’s pretty fantastic. I tried to do a search for some discussion about it but couldn’t find anything, is there a thread about it somewhere?

Eve seems pretty popular here.

And in 2009(?) MP had spoken about adding You or Me (not to be confused with You Not Me) to the master setlist for a future tour, so who knows?

Oh my.

Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on June 06, 2022, 09:54:09 PM
Bought Live in NYC 1993 last Friday. I’d never heard Eve before, it’s pretty fantastic. I tried to do a search for some discussion about it but couldn’t find anything, is there a thread about it somewhere?

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35281.0

From my pinned thread at the top, featuring links to threads dedicated to specific songs and albums.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: NoseofNicko on June 06, 2022, 10:05:22 PM
Bought Live in NYC 1993 last Friday. I’d never heard Eve before, it’s pretty fantastic. I tried to do a search for some discussion about it but couldn’t find anything, is there a thread about it somewhere?

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35281.0

From my pinned thread at the top, featuring links to threads dedicated to specific songs and albums.

-Marc.

Oh never noticed that thread. Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on June 07, 2022, 06:15:54 AM
Seeing that everyone has a perfect (and different) version of FII, I'm really conviced that FII should have been a double album, with Metropolis pt. 2 finished and basically the rest of the songs closer to its original arrangements. Personally, I'm sure that would like this way, with just a little nuances, like keeping the lyrics, the faster tempo and that drum intro of You Not Me; keeping the demo arrangement of Take Away My Pain; keeping the studio arrangement of Lines in the Sand and adding that little (and super cool!) keyboard pattern of Hell's Kitchen (2:47 to 3:01) on the demo version of Burning My Soul .

Usually, I tend to go with the final product (the actual FII album) for the songs that made the cut, but I think a "better" version of the album would be a double, including those 5 other completed songs (not counting Met. 2).

I don't reach for FII very often, but when I do, it's the "Director's Cut", 2CD version.  I could do without the raw Metropolis, but I really like those songs that didn't make the final album.  I think they are strong (certainly stronger than some of the material that made the cut).
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on June 07, 2022, 09:13:42 AM
Bought Live in NYC 1993 last Friday. I’d never heard Eve before, it’s pretty fantastic. I tried to do a search for some discussion about it but couldn’t find anything, is there a thread about it somewhere?

I'm surprised that the dedicated thread exists.  Eve is fine for what it is, but it's little more than background filler.


Then we'd have a double album of weak material instead of a single album.

Ditto what I've written before about a thousand times.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on June 09, 2022, 10:45:14 PM
I just remembered that the special edition for The Astonishing novel had a bonus disc or something like that containing some demos from the TA sessions. I don't think a lot of people got or even know about these, so I'd love to see those demos being offered as a new LNFA release someday. I don't even know what was in those demos tbh :P

I bought the novel specifically for the demos. 10 tracks, about 28 minutes. They were a download, not on a disc at all. Fairly interesting, but really was just one song (The Gift of Music) from rough idea, through different demos and mixes, including the album mix... and then four short unused ideas. Interesting, but I'd hope for more if there ever was an Astonishing Demos disc.

1. TGOM iPhone Seed #1
2. TGOM iPhone Seed #2
3. TGOM Studio Guide Track (gtr. & keys)
4. TGOM Early Gtr. RUFF 2015-04-07
5. TGOM Instrumental RUFF Mix 2015-06-08
6. TGOM Final Album Master Mix
7. Unused Song Idea #1
8. Unused Song Idea #2
9. Unused Song Idea #3
10. Unused Song Idea #4
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on June 09, 2022, 11:18:42 PM
I just remembered that the special edition for The Astonishing novel had a bonus disc or something like that containing some demos from the TA sessions. I don't think a lot of people got or even know about these, so I'd love to see those demos being offered as a new LNFA release someday. I don't even know what was in those demos tbh :P

I bought the novel specifically for the demos. 10 tracks, about 28 minutes. They were a download, not on a disc at all. Fairly interesting, but really was just one song (The Gift of Music) from rough idea, through different demos and mixes, including the album mix... and then four short unused ideas. Interesting, but I'd hope for more if there ever was an Astonishing Demos disc.

1. TGOM iPhone Seed #1
2. TGOM iPhone Seed #2
3. TGOM Studio Guide Track (gtr. & keys)
4. TGOM Early Gtr. RUFF 2015-04-07
5. TGOM Instrumental RUFF Mix 2015-06-08
6. TGOM Final Album Master Mix
7. Unused Song Idea #1
8. Unused Song Idea #2
9. Unused Song Idea #3
10. Unused Song Idea #4

Thank you! Definitely the only interesting things there (to me) are the last 4 tracks, and at 28 mins overall, and that's counting the album version of TGOM, it's definitely not something I'd want to see just by itself as a new release.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on June 10, 2022, 08:11:45 AM
Has it been revealed here yet that The Number Of The Beast is the next release?

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: RandalGraves on June 10, 2022, 11:27:56 AM
Has it been revealed here yet that The Number Of The Beast is the next release?

-Marc.

Yep. That and Live in Berlin (2019) is the following release.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 10, 2022, 01:15:32 PM
Has it been revealed here yet that The Number Of The Beast is the next release?

-Marc.
Well, I listened on Spotify today, so it's out there.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on June 10, 2022, 01:59:29 PM
Has it been revealed here yet that The Number Of The Beast is the next release?

-Marc.

Yep. That and Live in Berlin (2019) is the following release.

Ah okay, I went back a few pages here and didn't see any mention of it. I only briefly saw a post about it kn Facebook earlier this morning .

Do we know what the August release will be yet?

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on June 10, 2022, 03:06:26 PM
Has it been revealed here yet that The Number Of The Beast is the next release?

-Marc.

Yep. That and Live in Berlin (2019) is the following release.

Ah okay, I went back a few pages here and didn't see any mention of it. I only briefly saw a post about it kn Facebook earlier this morning .

Do we know what the August release will be yet?

-Marc.

Live in Berlin is listed for an August release here https://www.amazon.com/Dream-Theater/dp/B09XP71ML9/ref=mp_s_a_1_29?keywords=Dream+Theater&qid=1654895110&s=music&sr=1-29
but there's nothing listed or announced for July (yet?).
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 10, 2022, 04:21:18 PM
I just remembered that the special edition for The Astonishing novel had a bonus disc or something like that containing some demos from the TA sessions. I don't think a lot of people got or even know about these, so I'd love to see those demos being offered as a new LNFA release someday. I don't even know what was in those demos tbh :P

I bought the novel specifically for the demos. 10 tracks, about 28 minutes. They were a download, not on a disc at all. Fairly interesting, but really was just one song (The Gift of Music) from rough idea, through different demos and mixes, including the album mix... and then four short unused ideas. Interesting, but I'd hope for more if there ever was an Astonishing Demos disc.

1. TGOM iPhone Seed #1
2. TGOM iPhone Seed #2
3. TGOM Studio Guide Track (gtr. & keys)
4. TGOM Early Gtr. RUFF 2015-04-07
5. TGOM Instrumental RUFF Mix 2015-06-08
6. TGOM Final Album Master Mix
7. Unused Song Idea #1
8. Unused Song Idea #2
9. Unused Song Idea #3
10. Unused Song Idea #4

Whoa. I didn't know about this. I mean, I probably did but I was so disappointed in TA that I didn't bother following the band much at the time and have forgotten. If I remember correctly, the novel was pricey so I didn't bother picking it up even though I try to buy EVERYTHING. I would definitely buy a stand alone release of that bonus disc though.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: EPIC Outro on June 11, 2022, 09:04:14 PM

Does anyone have a full list of what LNFA albums were released and when?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on June 11, 2022, 09:45:08 PM

Does anyone have a full list of what LNFA albums were released and when?

Doesn't have dates, but it's organized from newer to older: https://dreamtheater.net/lnfa/?fbclid=IwAR1GqRn4SadhTG-TpIURSJ4qGR_HNmqKULIvkVHnO89jl7ih6ME-gd9xBWU
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on June 21, 2022, 01:25:35 PM
September 9th
Images and Words Demos (1989-1991)
https://www.fnac.com/a17125844/Dream-Theater-Lost-Not-Forgotten-Archives-Images-And-Words-Demos-1989-1991-CD-album
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 21, 2022, 01:49:46 PM
September 9th
Images and Words Demos (1989-1991)
https://www.fnac.com/a17125844/Dream-Theater-Lost-Not-Forgotten-Archives-Images-And-Words-Demos-1989-1991-CD-album
Happy birthday to me!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on June 21, 2022, 02:09:48 PM
I'm surprised you don't have this, Hef.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 21, 2022, 02:30:33 PM
I'm surprised you don't have this, Hef.
I've got, um, a version of it.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 23, 2022, 08:36:52 AM
September 9th
Images and Words Demos (1989-1991)
https://www.fnac.com/a17125844/Dream-Theater-Lost-Not-Forgotten-Archives-Images-And-Words-Demos-1989-1991-CD-album

Definitely pick this one up if you don't have it. Sad that the liner notes won't be included. This and the WDADU need those liner notes to really get the full picture. If anybody wants scans of those (or any others) from the original releases I could probably get those for you.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on June 23, 2022, 10:06:06 AM
September 9th
Images and Words Demos (1989-1991)
https://www.fnac.com/a17125844/Dream-Theater-Lost-Not-Forgotten-Archives-Images-And-Words-Demos-1989-1991-CD-album

Definitely pick this one up if you don't have it. Sad that the liner notes won't be included. This and the WDADU need those liner notes to really get the full picture. If anybody wants scans of those (or any others) from the original releases I could probably get those for you.

The Discogs page for Ytse Jam Records (https://www.discogs.com/label/84757-Ytsejam-Records) has scans under each individual album. Just click on the album cover on each album's individual page and scans should pop up. At least they're there for the WDADU and IAW demos pages that I checked.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Dream Team on June 23, 2022, 11:30:31 AM
Does this mean we'll end up getting the Bucharest and Santiago shows? Because that would be SWEET.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on June 23, 2022, 11:37:54 AM
Does this mean we'll end up getting the Bucharest and Santiago shows? Because that would be SWEET.

Not sure. They haven't announced any videos for The LNFA yet, and I'm skeptical since they skipped the video for WDADR.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on June 23, 2022, 11:57:18 AM
Bucharest is the item from YJR that I felt like I really missed out on, so I hope we'll get some videos, including that one.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: jimgolf on June 23, 2022, 12:19:42 PM
The Bucharest 2002 show is probably one of my favorite Dream Theater shows. Its an amazing setlist, James is pretty great(aside from when he trips and falls  :lol ) and the band is firing on all cylinders (Petruccis solo before Scarred  :metal )
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 23, 2022, 12:44:24 PM
September 9th
Images and Words Demos (1989-1991)
https://www.fnac.com/a17125844/Dream-Theater-Lost-Not-Forgotten-Archives-Images-And-Words-Demos-1989-1991-CD-album

Definitely pick this one up if you don't have it. Sad that the liner notes won't be included. This and the WDADU need those liner notes to really get the full picture. If anybody wants scans of those (or any others) from the original releases I could probably get those for you.

The Discogs page for Ytse Jam Records (https://www.discogs.com/label/84757-Ytsejam-Records) has scans under each individual album. Just click on the album cover on each album's individual page and scans should pop up. At least they're there for the WDADU and IAW demos pages that I checked.

-Marc.

 :tup

Everyone needs to check these out. Fascinating stories, especially about the several vocalists that were almost official including one they wanted to get hair extensions, one who was official for half a show, and one poor sap that was basically official and then they heard about a certain Canadian. The last guy now does flamenco music and is really good at it!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: 425 on June 23, 2022, 02:43:40 PM
Does this mean we'll end up getting the Bucharest and Santiago shows? Because that would be SWEET.

Not sure. They haven't announced any videos for The LNFA yet, and I'm skeptical since they skipped the video for WDADR.

-Marc.

Yeah, I'm starting to get a little worried, as Bucharest is my #1 most-wanted YJR release.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on June 23, 2022, 08:24:27 PM
Does this mean we'll end up getting the Bucharest and Santiago shows? Because that would be SWEET.

Not sure. They haven't announced any videos for The LNFA yet, and I'm skeptical since they skipped the video for WDADR.

-Marc.

Yeah, I'm starting to get a little worried, as Bucharest is my #1 most-wanted YJR release.

I'd be ok with just the getting the audio, but that's my most anticipated re-release as well.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Dream Team on June 23, 2022, 08:32:32 PM
I’ve got the DVDs. Would love that audio.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 24, 2022, 08:53:10 AM
I’ve got the DVDs. Would love that audio.

Same here.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on June 26, 2022, 01:47:06 PM
https://auto.mercadolibre.cl/MLC-1011181342-porsche-macan-s-30-un-dueno-2017-_JM

Image number 12 is totally epic and unexpected.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on June 26, 2022, 02:09:03 PM
https://auto.mercadolibre.cl/MLC-1011181342-porsche-macan-s-30-un-dueno-2017-_JM

Image number 12 is totally epic and unexpected.

 :metal
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Deadeye21 on June 27, 2022, 03:36:40 AM
https://auto.mercadolibre.cl/MLC-1011181342-porsche-macan-s-30-un-dueno-2017-_JM

Image number 12 is totally epic and unexpected.

 :metal

I kinda want to buy a car just because it has played Dream Theater, lol.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on June 27, 2022, 09:45:29 AM
https://auto.mercadolibre.cl/MLC-1011181342-porsche-macan-s-30-un-dueno-2017-_JM

Image number 12 is totally epic and unexpected.

 :metal



I kinda want to buy a car just because it has played Dream Theater, lol.


My 2007 Kia Sedona is up for grabs.  :lol
It’s played tons of Dream Theater. Only 295k miles..
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: sfam2112 on June 28, 2022, 03:04:11 PM
I’ve got the DVDs. Would love that audio.

Just rip the audio from it. That's what I did. :)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Dream Team on June 28, 2022, 03:13:15 PM
I’ve got the DVDs. Would love that audio.

Just rip the audio from it. That's what I did. :)

I’m 55 😆. I don’t speak that language.
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Post by: TAC on June 28, 2022, 03:14:57 PM
I’ve got the DVDs. Would love that audio.

Just rip the audio from it. That's what I did. :)

I’m 55 😆. I don’t speak that language.


I had a kid at work rip it for me years ago.
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Post by: Max Kuehnau on June 28, 2022, 03:22:53 PM
I’ve got the DVDs. Would love that audio.

Just rip the audio from it. That's what I did. :)

I’m 55 😆. I don’t speak that language.
meaning: excise the stereo audio track (you can use MakeMKV to do that btw, and it's free), so you can then chop it up into the songs and save the files. That way you can listen to the songs without needing to pop the DVD into your player.
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Post by: pg1067 on June 28, 2022, 03:47:59 PM
I’ve got the DVDs. Would love that audio.

Just rip the audio from it. That's what I did. :)

I’m 55 😆. I don’t speak that language.

Same.  I know what "rip" means in this context, but I wouldn't have the first idea how to do it.
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Post by: TAC on June 28, 2022, 04:32:42 PM

Same.  I know what "rip" means in this context, but I wouldn't have the first idea how to do it.

It's..er..easy!  :lol

Simply..

excise the stereo audio track (you can use MakeMKV to do that btw, and it's free), so you can then chop it up into the songs and save the files.
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Post by: Trav86 on June 28, 2022, 04:34:05 PM

Same.  I know what "rip" means in this context, but I wouldn't have the first idea how to do it.

It's..er..easy!  :lol

Simply..

excise the stereo audio track (you can use MakeMKV to do that btw, and it's free), so you can then chop it up into the songs and save the files.

Dude, I’m 35 and reading those instructions made my head hurt. There’s nothing I want to listen to bad enough to do that!
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Post by: Dream Team on June 28, 2022, 04:37:50 PM
I just want everything on my streaming service. I’m not downloading or copying anything to my phone. Thanks for trying to help though.
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Post by: pg1067 on June 28, 2022, 05:16:40 PM

Same.  I know what "rip" means in this context, but I wouldn't have the first idea how to do it.

It's..er..easy!  :lol

Simply..

excise the stereo audio track (you can use MakeMKV to do that btw, and it's free), so you can then chop it up into the songs and save the files.

Dude, I’m 35 and reading those instructions made my head hurt. There’s nothing I want to listen to bad enough to do that!

Yup.  I've got a bunch of old VHS tapes and DVDs that I'd love to put on the computer (and, with some of it, on YouTube), but I've yet to figure that out.
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Post by: Cool Chris on June 28, 2022, 07:15:21 PM
I've used DVD Audio Extractor (https://www.dvdae.com/) to pull the audio off several concert DVDs. Couldn't have been easier. Have never done it with video so cannot speak to that. 
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Post by: Stadler on June 28, 2022, 09:09:23 PM
I’ve got the DVDs. Would love that audio.

Just rip the audio from it. That's what I did. :)

I’m 55 😆. I don’t speak that language.

Same.  I know what "rip" means in this context, but I wouldn't have the first idea how to do it.

This is what I do.  It’s very simple.  Since I watch the video it takes about as long as it takes to watch the video.  Honestly, within reason, I’ll do it for you.   I did the entire three volume Kissology set (plus bonus DVDs) and it’s killer.  I just did Breaking The Fourth Wall. 
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Post by: Trav86 on June 29, 2022, 06:50:29 AM
I just want everything on my streaming service. I’m not downloading or copying anything to my phone. Thanks for trying to help though.

This.
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Post by: faizoff on June 29, 2022, 09:35:59 AM
I was going to make a joke that even old man Stadler knows how to extract the audio from DVDs/Blurays but I see he's replied already.  ;D
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Post by: Stadler on June 29, 2022, 09:59:10 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/9LHhQgU.jpg)
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Post by: TAC on June 29, 2022, 10:00:10 AM
I know that look. :lol
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 29, 2022, 11:18:00 AM
I just want everything on my streaming service. I’m not downloading or copying anything to my phone. Thanks for trying to help though.

This.

See, I just want everything available on CD *AND* DVD/bluray. The most I do is copy CDs to my phone. I hate technology but I got the S22 500GB so I could put my entire CD collection on there and I have enough room to hopefully last me several more years.

I have no interest in streaming.
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Post by: pg1067 on June 29, 2022, 12:02:07 PM
Dude...where'd you get that picture of me?!
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Post by: Trav86 on June 29, 2022, 05:01:59 PM
I just want everything on my streaming service. I’m not downloading or copying anything to my phone. Thanks for trying to help though.

This.

See, I just want everything available on CD *AND* DVD/bluray. The most I do is copy CDs to my phone. I hate technology but I got the S22 500GB so I could put my entire CD collection on there and I have enough room to hopefully last me several more years.

I have no interest in streaming.

Listen, you do you. But for me, it makes no sense to buy CDs, then rip them onto my phone. I can just stream the music on my phone already.
I’m sure you or someone will say, “well it’s better quality than streaming”. I’m sure it is. I don’t care lol. I have no problem with lossless on Apple Music. Or maybe it’s because you have stuff that isn’t available for streaming. That’s cool. But I’ve gotten to the point that I just care about trying to get different versions of songs and shit that aren’t on streaming. It’s just the ease and convenience over everything.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on June 30, 2022, 06:21:12 AM
I just want everything on my streaming service. I’m not downloading or copying anything to my phone. Thanks for trying to help though.

This.

See, I just want everything available on CD *AND* DVD/bluray. The most I do is copy CDs to my phone. I hate technology but I got the S22 500GB so I could put my entire CD collection on there and I have enough room to hopefully last me several more years.

I have no interest in streaming.

Listen, you do you. But for me, it makes no sense to buy CDs, then rip them onto my phone. I can just stream the music on my phone already.
I’m sure you or someone will say, “well it’s better quality than streaming”. I’m sure it is. I don’t care lol. I have no problem with lossless on Apple Music. Or maybe it’s because you have stuff that isn’t available for streaming. That’s cool. But I’ve gotten to the point that I just care about trying to get different versions of songs and shit that aren’t on streaming. It’s just the ease and convenience over everything.

That's kind of my thing; I'm not all that concerned about sound quality, but I am sort of not impressed by the attention to detail that some of these streaming companies pay to the material.  Some try to be clear what versions are available, but it's not always accurate, and that DOES concern me.  I guess I'm spending a lot of time/money for something not that important to many, but that's the way things are sometimes.  :)
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Post by: faizoff on June 30, 2022, 07:44:54 AM
So to those that have bought all the LNF releases so far on CD are they worth it? I was glad they brought it back with YtseJam records gone AWOL but the fact that there are no liner notes gives me pause to buy these. I might just be content to stream them.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Max Kuehnau on June 30, 2022, 08:13:03 AM
IMHO, yes they are.
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Post by: Stadler on June 30, 2022, 09:20:30 AM
So to those that have bought all the LNF releases so far on CD are they worth it? I was glad they brought it back with YtseJam records gone AWOL but the fact that there are no liner notes gives me pause to buy these. I might just be content to stream them.

Not disagreeing with Max; I have a complete set of Ytsejam releases, so I am only buying what I don't yet have, and I am buying them because I want them on CD, but to be fair, you're not getting anything more than the music.  If you can stream and you're okay streaming, then I don't think you're getting anything significantly greater through the CD.  I'm not even sure they have songwriting credits on the disks.  They are bare bones in that regard.
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Post by: gzarruk on June 30, 2022, 09:45:33 AM
The biggest selling point for these is that they're now available in more formats (vinyl + streaming/digital) instead of CD only (also the newer material they've been adding slowly). The original liner notes were gold, as they provided very interesting/important context to what these tracks are, but those are available online on DT World (Noxon's website) and Discogs, I think.
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Post by: pg1067 on June 30, 2022, 09:57:16 AM
So to those that have bought all the LNF releases so far on CD are they worth it? I was glad they brought it back with YtseJam records gone AWOL but the fact that there are no liner notes gives me pause to buy these. I might just be content to stream them.

If the question is limited to LNFA releases, I can't answer.  However, if you're asking in general if the material is worthwhile, I'll answer with a big thumbs up for the stuff I bould from YJR.  I bought the Making of SFAM, the I&W Demos, the 3/4/93 NYC show, and the WDADRu DVD.  I also would have bought the "Uncovered" CD but didn't get it before it was sold out (but acquired it by other means).  All of those were absolutely worthwhile purchases that I'd recommend to any DT fan.  The liner notes add to it, but I would recommend all of these even without the liner notes (and, as I think someone mentioned recently, the liner notes are available via the discogs.com website).
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 30, 2022, 10:00:31 AM
I just want everything on my streaming service. I’m not downloading or copying anything to my phone. Thanks for trying to help though.

This.

See, I just want everything available on CD *AND* DVD/bluray. The most I do is copy CDs to my phone. I hate technology but I got the S22 500GB so I could put my entire CD collection on there and I have enough room to hopefully last me several more years.

I have no interest in streaming.

Listen, you do you. But for me, it makes no sense to buy CDs, then rip them onto my phone. I can just stream the music on my phone already.
I’m sure you or someone will say, “well it’s better quality than streaming”. I’m sure it is. I don’t care lol. I have no problem with lossless on Apple Music. Or maybe it’s because you have stuff that isn’t available for streaming. That’s cool. But I’ve gotten to the point that I just care about trying to get different versions of songs and shit that aren’t on streaming. It’s just the ease and convenience over everything.

Just sharing my opinion is all.

In addition, I don't like being beholden to corporations that may remove this stuff on a whim. That especially goes for movies and how they have been known to edit scenes without any prior warning so if you go to Amazon and watch a movie, you never know if you're getting their version or the director's vision.

So to those that have bought all the LNF releases so far on CD are they worth it? I was glad they brought it back with YtseJam records gone AWOL but the fact that there are no liner notes gives me pause to buy these. I might just be content to stream them.

If the question is limited to LNFA releases, I can't answer.  However, if you're asking in general if the material is worthwhile, I'll answer with a big thumbs up for the stuff I bould from YJR.  I bought the Making of SFAM, the I&W Demos, the 3/4/93 NYC show, and the WDADRu DVD.  I also would have bought the "Uncovered" CD but didn't get it before it was sold out (but acquired it by other means).  All of those were absolutely worthwhile purchases that I'd recommend to any DT fan.  The liner notes add to it, but I would recommend all of these even without the liner notes (and, as I think someone mentioned recently, the liner notes are available via the discogs.com website).

There are a few of them where the liner notes are a necessity, mostly the making of albums but yeah, they're available at discogs.
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Post by: faizoff on June 30, 2022, 10:16:02 AM
That's good feedback, I should have prefaced that I too have a few of the YtseJam releases I think around at least 5  CD/DVDs. The only reason I'm ok with streaming is well you're not missing much in terms of audio quality seeing as they are either soundboard or demos so I'm not really shooting for top HiRes quality here. It's mainly the material that I'm after as a DT fan. For the missing releases, I was looking to get them in CDs but if it's a blank case with just the insert, why bother when I can just stream.
Will it stay forever? who knows but I think I'm ok with that for now.
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Post by: Dream Team on June 30, 2022, 11:22:23 AM
Yeah, 99.9% of people don't use portable CD players with headphones.
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Post by: pg1067 on June 30, 2022, 04:07:09 PM
Yeah, 99.9% of people don't use portable CD players with headphones.

With the vinyl resurgence, you could always get one of these:

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7a/1c/8d/7a1c8d74e3d7c1e1c0146de53a536f06.jpg)
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Post by: TAC on June 30, 2022, 04:09:33 PM
I'd love to listen to some Power Metal on a Sound Burger.






















That way I can have a Sound Cheese Burger.  ;D
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Post by: MarceloMalulo on July 15, 2022, 11:35:04 AM
https://twitter.com/insideouteu/status/1547944749918654466?cxt=HHwWhMCo7Y7js_sqAAAA
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Post by: pg1067 on July 15, 2022, 02:59:58 PM
https://twitter.com/insideouteu/status/1547944749918654466?cxt=HHwWhMCo7Y7js_sqAAAA

For those who don't want to click:

"Originally released in 2005 on Ytsejam Records, ‘Images And Words Demos (1989-1991)’ documents a special period for [Dream Theater] as they prepared for the release of their landmark ‘Images  and Words’ album. Pre-order now for a 9th September release: [link]."
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Post by: sfam2112 on July 16, 2022, 12:07:58 AM
https://twitter.com/insideouteu/status/1547944749918654466?cxt=HHwWhMCo7Y7js_sqAAAA

For those who don't want to click:

"Originally released in 2005 on Ytsejam Records, ‘Images And Words Demos (1989-1991)’ documents a special period for [Dream Theater] as they prepared for the release of their landmark ‘Images  and Words’ album. "

Not that this is a big deal put I'll point it out anyway. I seem to remember this being released in 2007, just in time for the Chaos in Motion tour. It was at the merch stand with the Tokyo ACoS show they put out in the same batch.
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Post by: Trav86 on July 16, 2022, 04:57:21 AM
https://twitter.com/insideouteu/status/1547944749918654466?cxt=HHwWhMCo7Y7js_sqAAAA

For those who don't want to click:

"Originally released in 2005 on Ytsejam Records, ‘Images And Words Demos (1989-1991)’ documents a special period for [Dream Theater] as they prepared for the release of their landmark ‘Images  and Words’ album. "

Not that this is a big deal put I'll point it out anyway. I seem to remember this being released in 2007, just in time for the Chaos in Motion tour. It was at the merch stand with the Tokyo ACoS show they put out in the same batch.

Not to argue but…I remember getting it in 2005. I know because I was with an old girlfriend and we broke up in early 2006.  I don’t doubt it was at the merch table in 2007 though.
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Post by: The Letter M on July 16, 2022, 07:45:45 AM
https://www.discogs.com/release/2906922-Dream-Theater-Official-Bootleg-Images-And-Words-Demos-1989-1991

Looks like the IAW Demos were released in 2005.

-Marc.
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Post by: sfam2112 on July 18, 2022, 04:28:56 AM
I stand corrected. Whoops.  :-[
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Post by: goo-goo on July 19, 2022, 02:27:38 PM
This must be a new version of I&W Demos :D (this came on the Century Media newsletter a week or two ago). And no, I didn't photoshop this.

(https://i.imgur.com/kmc9EE2.jpg)
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Post by: Trav86 on July 20, 2022, 03:12:26 AM
This must be a new version of I&W Demos :D (this came on the Century Media newsletter a week or two ago). And no, I didn't photoshop this.

(https://i.imgur.com/kmc9EE2.jpg)

It’s just a repackaging of the old YtseJam Official Bootleg
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Post by: Stadler on July 20, 2022, 07:34:45 AM
No, it's different.  It's the Images and Words DEMONS, not the Demos.   I'm excited. I'm expected Zak Baggins and a lot of grainy, night-vision-enhanced shuffling noises and wind that sounds like screams.   :) :) :)
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Post by: Trav86 on July 20, 2022, 07:45:20 AM
No, it's different.  It's the Images and Words DEMONS, not the Demos.   I'm excited. I'm expected Zak Baggins and a lot of grainy, night-vision-enhanced shuffling noises and wind that sounds like screams.   :) :) :)

I didn’t even catch that. I’ll start preparing my sacrifices to the dark lord.  :hefdaddy
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Post by: gzarruk on July 20, 2022, 07:55:52 AM
IAW, black metal remixes :rollin
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Post by: goo-goo on July 20, 2022, 09:49:28 AM


Edit: nevermind
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Post by: Stadler on July 20, 2022, 10:00:44 AM
OOH! Or maybe an album of KISS covers!!   Rock and ROLL!
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Post by: TAC on July 20, 2022, 11:38:35 AM
OOH! Or maybe an album of KISS covers!!   Rock and ROLL!

Oh let
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Post by: gzarruk on July 20, 2022, 05:21:32 PM
During pt. 2 of his Young Guitar interview, JP explicitly said that they're going to add older live shows with MP that haven't been released before, newer shows with MM, and demos that we've never heard from albums not featured before in this collection. He also specifically talked about an older festival show in Japan they're releasing later (he said Download, but they haven't played Download in Japan before, so I think it's the Summer Sonic 2010 one).

Here's the link: https://youtu.be/CU-Ffw1qNKo



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Post by: TAC on July 20, 2022, 05:51:05 PM
That is all great news!
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on July 21, 2022, 08:10:46 AM
During pt. 2 of his Young Guitar interview, JP explicitly said that they're going to add older live shows with MP that haven't been released before, newer shows with MM, and demos that we've never heard from albums not featured before in this collection. He also specifically talked about an older festival show in Japan they're releasing later (he said Download, but they haven't played Download in Japan before, so I think it's the Summer Sonic 2010 one).

Here's the link: https://youtu.be/CU-Ffw1qNKo

Nice! Maybe there i hope for hearing ADTOE with a drum machine!
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Post by: Trav86 on July 21, 2022, 10:53:37 AM
During pt. 2 of his Young Guitar interview, JP explicitly said that they're going to add older live shows with MP that haven't been released before, newer shows with MM, and demos that we've never heard from albums not featured before in this collection. He also specifically talked about an older festival show in Japan they're releasing later (he said Download, but they haven't played Download in Japan before, so I think it's the Summer Sonic 2010 one).

Here's the link: https://youtu.be/CU-Ffw1qNKo

In b4 “iT aLREeAdY SoUnDs lIKe tHaT!! hahahahaha!!”

Nice! Maybe there i hope for hearing ADTOE with a drum machine!
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Post by: devieira73 on July 21, 2022, 04:08:13 PM
During pt. 2 of his Young Guitar interview, JP explicitly said that they're going to add older live shows with MP that haven't been released before, newer shows with MM, and demos that we've never heard from albums not featured before in this collection. He also specifically talked about an older festival show in Japan they're releasing later (he said Download, but they haven't played Download in Japan before, so I think it's the Summer Sonic 2010 one).

Here's the link: https://youtu.be/CU-Ffw1qNKo

Great news!!
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Post by: bosk1 on July 22, 2022, 11:38:30 AM
Not repurchasing the FII Demos, as I have the Ytsejam version.  But listening to it this morning after not having done so in a LONG time.  I had forgotten how good a lot of this material is.  Yeah, some of it is forgettable.  But no matter my personal opinion on any of it, it is SO cool that they released this.  Definitely one of the cooler Ytsejam/LNF releases, and I'm not sure why some feel the need to dump on it just because they individually might be apathetic toward it.
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Post by: Cool Chris on July 22, 2022, 07:35:36 PM
I listened to those demos once, and never had any interest in listening to them again. I am rarely if ever interested in demos. But yes it is indeed great that the band did make them available.
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Post by: Trav86 on July 23, 2022, 08:13:16 AM
I know I’ve said this every time the subject of these demos comes up. I love listening to them, and I’m a big fan of the songs that were left off. However, I think the final release was the best album for what they were trying to accomplish. An unpopular opinion, I know, but it’s one of my favorites.  I really appreciate the band for letting us FII fans get to experience all of it.
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on July 23, 2022, 08:59:04 AM
I listened to those demos once, and never had any interest in listening to them again. I am rarely if ever interested in demos. But yes it is indeed great that the band did make them available.

I listened to the FII demos quite a bit. Awake demos, not so much. Very similar so you may as well just listen to the album. I&W and WDADU is a little different as those are very, I guess, peculiar would be the right word. Fascinating stuff.
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Post by: TAC on August 05, 2022, 03:53:28 PM
Just ordered my first LNF CD. I preordered the Live In Berlin 2019 show. Very pumped for it. I really like the setlist and I hope it's good. Getting live shows was such a great thing with Ytsejam. I hope there's more in the pipeline.
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Post by: Deadeye21 on August 05, 2022, 08:09:46 PM
Just ordered my first LNF CD. I preordered the Live In Berlin 2019 show. Very pumped for it. I really like the setlist and I hope it's good. Getting live shows was such a great thing with Ytsejam. I hope there's more in the pipeline.

I think there’s some more vaulted stuff thst’ll start making it’s way out soon. I’m excited to hear what there could be.
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Post by: devieira73 on August 06, 2022, 08:37:57 AM
I'm really happy that they will be releasing new live recordings (even including from MP's period), but I'm bit disapointed that, if they keep the pattern, they will release only audio. Anybody has asked to the band/Petrucci if they are planning to release some DVD or Blu-Ray on LNF Archives?
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Post by: JLa on August 07, 2022, 02:04:04 PM
I never got around to picking up the Ytsejam releases of When Dream and Day Reunite and the FII demos. Needless to say I'm thrilled to have them in my collection now.

Some of the FII tracks are really good. I'm not sure if they are better than the tracks on the album, but I don't think they're any worse either. I love The way it used to be! Great little U2 vibe going on there.
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Post by: TAC on August 07, 2022, 03:08:12 PM
I love The way it used to be! Great little U2 vibe going on there.

Speak To Me as well.
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Post by: MarceloMalulo on August 11, 2022, 06:13:02 PM
Just listened to "Live in Berlin 2019" (some snippets) and is awesome!
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Post by: TAC on August 11, 2022, 07:19:09 PM
It should be on my doorstep when I get home tomorrow.
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Post by: Stadler on August 12, 2022, 07:04:27 AM
It should be on my doorstep when I get home tomorrow.

Me too; can't wait.
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Post by: devieira73 on August 12, 2022, 07:41:41 AM
Now I think DT is really doing right in terms of recording and mix quality. Also, great performance!!
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 12, 2022, 02:37:42 PM
Wow....I wish JLB's vocals were like this on the Distant Memories release.

I am also loving this mix. It's big, dynamic and I can hear the keyboards a lot better. Everything has space.

I now want a release of one of The Astonishing shows, especially if they're able to find a show with a mix that good.

Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 12, 2022, 02:38:54 PM
No, it's different.  It's the Images and Words DEMONS, not the Demos.   I'm excited. I'm expected Zak Baggins and a lot of grainy, night-vision-enhanced shuffling noises and wind that sounds like screams.   :) :) :)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on August 12, 2022, 04:14:29 PM
Wow....I wish JLB's vocals were like this on the Distant Memories release.

I am also loving this mix. It's big, dynamic and I can hear the keyboards a lot better. Everything has space.

YES! This sounds like a live album. If LNF has more releases like this, I will be very happy. The official live albums have really been disappointing.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on August 12, 2022, 05:53:37 PM
This is the best live release of the Mangini era. The “A Dramatic Tour of Events - Select Board Recordings” is close though.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on August 12, 2022, 05:55:14 PM
This is the best live release of the Mangini era. The “A Dramatic Tour of Events - Select Board Recordings” is close though.

They both have that "this was not processed in a studio" feeling.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on August 12, 2022, 06:23:32 PM
This is the best live release of the Mangini era. The “A Dramatic Tour of Events - Select Board Recordings” is close though.

They both have that "this was not processed in a studio" feeling.

Yes!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: devieira73 on August 13, 2022, 07:17:50 PM
This is the best live release of the Mangini era. The “A Dramatic Tour of Events - Select Board Recordings” is close though.

They both have that "this was not processed in a studio" feeling.

I agree, but this new one has a better mix and a more consistent sound quality than ADTour, which, in many songs you can’t hear well MM’s bass drums (as example, hear TCOT). This new one really sounds delicious!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on August 13, 2022, 07:20:07 PM
This one does indeed sound great. I haven't listened to the Happy Holidays one in years. I need to change that.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on August 13, 2022, 07:38:12 PM
This is the best live release of the Mangini era. The “A Dramatic Tour of Events - Select Board Recordings” is close though.

They both have that "this was not processed in a studio" feeling.

I agree, but this new one has a better mix and a more consistent sound quality than ADTour, which, in many songs you can’t hear well MM’s bass drums (as example, hear TCOT). This new one really sounds delicious!

You mean you can’t hear the differences between all four of them?!  ;D
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: devieira73 on August 13, 2022, 10:23:28 PM
Have you heard? That’s what I was talking about! ;)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: nick_z on August 14, 2022, 07:25:59 PM
I love The way it used to be! Great little U2 vibe going on there.

Speak To Me as well.

Absolutely. Speak To Me sounds like a mix of The Cure and U2...really like the song.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ErHaO on August 15, 2022, 09:55:53 AM
I agree live in Berlin is great! Will buy this one for sure, had a great time listening to it.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on August 15, 2022, 11:22:14 AM
I'm hoping to get accurate info on the release dates of all the LNFA releases. Below is what I've found on the internet, please correct if I'm wrong.
Below that are the Ytsejam releases that haven't been re-released for the LNFA yet.
And below THAT are what I see as possibilities (or personal, far-off hopes) for future releases (some are the ones MP said he was working on in 2010 before the split). Feel free to discuss what you're hoping to see!

LOST NOT FORGOTTEN ARCHIVES

06/25/21 - Images and Words – Live in Japan, 2017*
07/23/21 - A Dramatic Tour of Events – Select Board Mixes*
09/14/21 - Master of Puppets – Live in Barcelona, 2002
09/17/21 - Train of Thought Instrumental Demos (2003)
12/03/21 - When Dream and Day Reunite (Live)
01/21/22 - The Majesty Demos (1985-1986)
02/25/22 - Awake Demos (1994)
03/18/22 - Live in NYC – 1993
04/08/22 - ...And Beyond – Live in Japan, 2017*
05/13/22 - Falling into Infinity Demos, 1996-1997
06/10/22 - The Number of the Beast (2002)
08/12/22 - Live in Berlin (2019)*
09/09/22 - Images and Words Demos (1989-1991)

*New physical releases for LNFA

List of Ytsejam Products

DEMO SERIES
When Dream and Day Unite Demos 1987-1989

STUDIO SERIES
The Making of Falling Into Infinity
The Making of Scenes From a Memory

LIVE SERIES
Tokyo, Japan 10/28/95
Old Bridge, New Jersey 12/14/96
Los Angeles, California 5/18/98
Romania, Bucharest 7/4/02 (DVD only)
Santiago, Chile 12/6/05 (DVD only)

COVER SERIES
The Dark Side of the Moon
Made in Japan
Uncovered 2003-2005

LTE SERIES
Live in NYC
When the Keyboard Breaks: Live in Chicago
Live in LA
LTE Live 2008 (Box Set)

POSSIBILITIES??

Collins Era Live Disc 1986
Dominici Era Live Disc 1988-1989
Edinburgh, Scotland 11/28/93 (Kevin’s Last Show)
Poughkeepsie, NY 12/30/98 (Derek’s Last Show)
The Making of Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
Download Festival (Donington, UK) 6/14/09
Summer Sonic Festival (Chiba, Japan) 8/8/10 (MP’s Last Show)
Rush Covers Disc
30th Anniversary Tour 2015
The Astonishing Demos/The Making of The Astonishing
The Astonishing Live 2016
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on August 15, 2022, 11:39:13 AM
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE release the Ronnie Scott's show and/or one or more of the acoustic shows.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: goo-goo on August 15, 2022, 11:56:38 AM
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE release the Ronnie Scott's show and/or one or more of the acoustic shows.

This would be AMAZING if they release it officially. I personally would like the Fan Club show which includes Speak to Me.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: HOF on August 15, 2022, 02:36:35 PM
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE release the Ronnie Scott's show and/or one or more of the acoustic shows.

This would be AMAZING if they release it officially. I personally would like the Fan Club show which includes Speak to Me.

Yep, both of these please!. I wonder if the guest performances at Ronnie Scott’s (Howe, Hogarth/Rothery, Cookie Monster) make it prohibitive to release it though? Not sure how that works in terms of royalties or if they have to get record company permission or something?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on August 15, 2022, 03:55:38 PM
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE release the Ronnie Scott's show and/or one or more of the acoustic shows.

This would be AMAZING if they release it officially. I personally would like the Fan Club show which includes Speak to Me.

Yep, both of these please!. I wonder if the guest performances at Ronnie Scott’s (Howe, Hogarth/Rothery, Cookie Monster) make it prohibitive to release it though? Not sure how that works in terms of royalties or if they have to get record company permission or something?

I know they did a Metallica song with the Cookie Monster guy and a Yes song with Howe.  Including those songs would require payment of royalties to the owners of the publishing rights for those songs (in the case of Metallica, I'm pretty sure that's an entity called Creeping Death Music, but I'm not sure about Yes).  Not sure who the other guys you mentioned are, but the same would be true if they performed non-DT songs.  There would be no additional royalty payments required for a guest musician on a DT song, unless they performed pursuant to a contract that required such payments.

I would imagine that the YJR "Cover Series" releases generated virtually no profit.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: HOF on August 15, 2022, 08:20:42 PM
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE release the Ronnie Scott's show and/or one or more of the acoustic shows.

This would be AMAZING if they release it officially. I personally would like the Fan Club show which includes Speak to Me.

Yep, both of these please!. I wonder if the guest performances at Ronnie Scott’s (Howe, Hogarth/Rothery, Cookie Monster) make it prohibitive to release it though? Not sure how that works in terms of royalties or if they have to get record company permission or something?

I know they did a Metallica song with the Cookie Monster guy and a Yes song with Howe.  Including those songs would require payment of royalties to the owners of the publishing rights for those songs (in the case of Metallica, I'm pretty sure that's an entity called Creeping Death Music, but I'm not sure about Yes).  Not sure who the other guys you mentioned are, but the same would be true if they performed non-DT songs.  There would be no additional royalty payments required for a guest musician on a DT song, unless they performed pursuant to a contract that required such payments.

I would imagine that the YJR "Cover Series" releases generated virtually no profit.

I guess the whole Ronnie Scott’s show was covers, so that’s probably the reason they may not release it moreso than the guest performers. Just didn’t know if maybe those guys would also get a cut for being part of the performance in addition to any royalties.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on August 15, 2022, 08:21:52 PM
As a long time Dream Theater fan, I actually have zero interest in the Ronnie Scott's show.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on August 15, 2022, 08:39:01 PM
As a long time Dream Theater fan, I actually have zero interest in the Ronnie Scott's show.

OMG This! How this is such a 'holy grail' release is beyond me. But I appreciate many fans enjoy them playing music by other artists, which, again, is beyond me.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on August 15, 2022, 09:16:34 PM
As a long time Dream Theater fan, I actually have zero interest in the Ronnie Scott's show.

OMG This! How this is such a 'holy grail' release is beyond me. But I appreciate many fans enjoy them playing music by other artists, which, again, is beyond me.

Same here, I have zero interest in any of the cover releases.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: HOF on August 15, 2022, 09:23:33 PM
As a long time Dream Theater fan, I actually have zero interest in the Ronnie Scott's show.

OMG This! How this is such a 'holy grail' release is beyond me. But I appreciate many fans enjoy them playing music by other artists, which, again, is beyond me.

I mostly just want to have that version of Easter on CD (it was my introduction to Marillion), though it’s not like I don’t have about a dozen other live performances of it already. The Red Hill Mining Town cover was good too. Just looked up the track list, and I didn’t realize Hogarth did Happiness Is A Warm Gun for that show too. That’s another fun nugget for me, though it’s as much of a draw as a Marillion fan than as a DT fan.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on August 15, 2022, 09:25:38 PM
That was my introduction to Marillion too! Except for me, it was also the last song of theirs I ever wanted to hear.  :)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: HOF on August 15, 2022, 09:32:21 PM
That was my introduction to Marillion too! Except for me, it was also the last song of theirs I ever wanted to hear.  :)

It floored me the first time I heard it. At that point DT was my favorite band, but within a few years Marillion would take their place.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on August 15, 2022, 09:38:15 PM
I should apologize, I didn't mean to crap on your memory; I just had the complete opposite reaction. Marillion is just one of those bands lots of DT fans like that I cannot get in to.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: HOF on August 15, 2022, 10:04:50 PM
I should apologize, I didn't mean to crap on your memory; I just had the complete opposite reaction. Marillion is just one of those bands lots of DT fans like that I cannot get in to.

Oh, no apology necessary, I was just sharing my opposite reaction. It’s funny how two people can hear the same thing and react totally differently like that. At the end of the day we’re all unique I guess.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Deadeye21 on August 16, 2022, 03:05:53 AM
As a long time Dream Theater fan, I actually have zero interest in the Ronnie Scott's show.

OMG This! How this is such a 'holy grail' release is beyond me. But I appreciate many fans enjoy them playing music by other artists, which, again, is beyond me.

Same here, I have zero interest in any of the cover releases.

I wanted Master coz I had a problem with my old copy. I enjoyed Beast, but didn’t really care to hear it again. I’ve got all of what I care to get from Ronnie’s through ACOS. Unless there’s something really cool that I absolutely haven’t heard then I don’t care for more covers. Would rather hear demos that I haven’t heard before.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on August 16, 2022, 06:11:37 AM
Anything they haven't released before is what I want. I'm glad for all that are experiencing the Ytsejam Boots for the first time now that they're on Spotify, et al. But I want the unreleased stuff. Live in Berlin is amazing. More of that, please.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Dream Team on August 16, 2022, 06:44:42 AM
In theory the Master and Beast covers would be amazing but James' voice isn't suited to either one unfortunately. I guess I prefer the Master cover more because of MP's awesome Ulrichass-kicking drumming. The Beast cover is noteworthy only for the cool Gangland lounge version.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Kwyjibo on August 16, 2022, 06:54:29 AM
I would like the cover set, because that's something different.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on August 16, 2022, 10:00:31 AM
As a long time Dream Theater fan, I actually have zero interest in the Ronnie Scott's show.

OMG This! How this is such a 'holy grail' release is beyond me. But I appreciate many fans enjoy them playing music by other artists, which, again, is beyond me.

By the way, "Cookie Monster Guy" is Barney Greenway from Napalm Death.  I'm not sure it's necessarily a "Holy Grail" release, but it's like anything else; no one is asking you to buy anything you don't want to buy.   I happen to like when they do covers, and that was a cool way to get all of them in one place; now, we have piece meals from various videos, live releases, and Fan Club CDs.  I'm not asking for the world, just a concise way of experiencing the night in question without having to guess where all the pieces go.  I think it's fun and interesting when they play with other people.  If no one else is interested in that, that's cool.  No harm, no foul.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on August 16, 2022, 10:25:11 AM
As a long time Dream Theater fan, I actually have zero interest in the Ronnie Scott's show.

OMG This! How this is such a 'holy grail' release is beyond me. But I appreciate many fans enjoy them playing music by other artists, which, again, is beyond me.

By the way, "Cookie Monster Guy" is Barney Greenway from Napalm Death.  I'm not sure it's necessarily a "Holy Grail" release, but it's like anything else; no one is asking you to buy anything you don't want to buy.   I happen to like when they do covers, and that was a cool way to get all of them in one place; now, we have piece meals from various videos, live releases, and Fan Club CDs.  I'm not asking for the world, just a concise way of experiencing the night in question without having to guess where all the pieces go.  I think it's fun and interesting when they play with other people.  If no one else is interested in that, that's cool.  No harm, no foul.


I'm also interested FWIW.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on August 16, 2022, 11:10:10 AM
I guess the whole Ronnie Scott’s show was covers, so that’s probably the reason they may not release it moreso than the guest performers. Just didn’t know if maybe those guys would also get a cut for being part of the performance in addition to any royalties.

It's certainly possible that there were contracts with the guest performers that would entitle them to royalties.  No way to know that.  However, looking at setlist.fm, it was, indeed, all covers (blue indicates release on ACOS, red indicates release on 5YIAL):

- Funeral for a Friend/Love Lies Bleeding (Elton John)
- Perfect Strangers (Deep Purple)
- Red Hill Mining Town (U2)
- The Rover/Achilles Last Stand/The Song Remains the Same (Led Zeppelin)
- Tears (Rush)
- Damage, Inc. (Metallica)
- Happiness Is a Warm Gun (The Beatles)
- Easter (Marillion)
- Winter (Tori Amos)
- In the Dead of Night (U.K.)
- Machine Messiah/Heart of the Sunrise/Close to the Edge/Siberian Khatru/Starship Trooper (Yes)
- The Big Medley (Floyd/Kansas/Queen/Journey/Dregs/Genesis)

I feel like there was an official release of Tears somewhere, but I don't recall any specifics.


As a long time Dream Theater fan, I actually have zero interest in the Ronnie Scott's show.

I'm mostly the same.  Given that most of it was officially released, and the only stuff that wasn't released I'm not interested in (really, only the other Yes songs), it'd be a big nothing for me.  However, if they released a video, I might be up for that (frankly, that's probably the case for virtually any live release anymore).
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: HOF on August 16, 2022, 12:05:00 PM
As a long time Dream Theater fan, I actually have zero interest in the Ronnie Scott's show.

OMG This! How this is such a 'holy grail' release is beyond me. But I appreciate many fans enjoy them playing music by other artists, which, again, is beyond me.

By the way, "Cookie Monster Guy" is Barney Greenway from Napalm Death.  I'm not sure it's necessarily a "Holy Grail" release, but it's like anything else; no one is asking you to buy anything you don't want to buy.   I happen to like when they do covers, and that was a cool way to get all of them in one place; now, we have piece meals from various videos, live releases, and Fan Club CDs.  I'm not asking for the world, just a concise way of experiencing the night in question without having to guess where all the pieces go.  I think it's fun and interesting when they play with other people.  If no one else is interested in that, that's cool.  No harm, no foul.

Yeah, I’m not all that interested in any of the DT playing DT live releases at this point. This was just a concert with some interesting (to me) covers and guests and I’d gladly plunk down a little money to get a high quality copy of the full thing (though they can leave Cookie Monster off*).

*yes, I know it’s Barney from Napalm Death.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Kram on August 16, 2022, 12:13:07 PM
I would like the Ronnie Scott's show as for nothing else but to have the complete show, and JLB was in his top form back then. 

Also, Dark Side of the Moon is the best full album cover they did by a long shot!  They did an amazing job with it IMO.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on August 16, 2022, 12:28:17 PM
I guess the whole Ronnie Scott’s show was covers, so that’s probably the reason they may not release it moreso than the guest performers. Just didn’t know if maybe those guys would also get a cut for being part of the performance in addition to any royalties.

It's certainly possible that there were contracts with the guest performers that would entitle them to royalties.  No way to know that.  However, looking at setlist.fm, it was, indeed, all covers (blue indicates release on ACOS, red indicates release on 5YIAL):

- Funeral for a Friend/Love Lies Bleeding (Elton John)
- Perfect Strangers (Deep Purple)
- Red Hill Mining Town (U2)
- The Rover/Achilles Last Stand/The Song Remains the Same (Led Zeppelin)
- Tears (Rush)
- Damage, Inc. (Metallica)
- Happiness Is a Warm Gun (The Beatles)
- Easter (Marillion)
- Winter (Tori Amos)
- In the Dead of Night (U.K.)
- Machine Messiah/Heart of the Sunrise/Close to the Edge/Siberian Khatru/Starship Trooper (Yes)
- The Big Medley (Floyd/Kansas/Queen/Journey/Dregs/Genesis)

I feel like there was an official release of Tears somewhere, but I don't recall any specifics.


As a long time Dream Theater fan, I actually have zero interest in the Ronnie Scott's show.

I'm mostly the same.  Given that most of it was officially released, and the only stuff that wasn't released I'm not interested in (really, only the other Yes songs), it'd be a big nothing for me.  However, if they released a video, I might be up for that (frankly, that's probably the case for virtually any live release anymore).


Tears and Red Hill Mining Town were on a Fan Club CD.  1996, I think.


Winter is the song I'd like to get a good quality recording of.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on August 16, 2022, 04:08:29 PM
I guess the whole Ronnie Scott’s show was covers, so that’s probably the reason they may not release it moreso than the guest performers. Just didn’t know if maybe those guys would also get a cut for being part of the performance in addition to any royalties.

It's certainly possible that there were contracts with the guest performers that would entitle them to royalties.  No way to know that.  However, looking at setlist.fm, it was, indeed, all covers (blue indicates release on ACOS, red indicates release on 5YIAL):

- Funeral for a Friend/Love Lies Bleeding (Elton John)
- Perfect Strangers (Deep Purple)
- Red Hill Mining Town (U2)
- The Rover/Achilles Last Stand/The Song Remains the Same (Led Zeppelin)
- Tears (Rush)
- Damage, Inc. (Metallica)
- Happiness Is a Warm Gun (The Beatles)
- Easter (Marillion)
- Winter (Tori Amos)
- In the Dead of Night (U.K.)
- Machine Messiah/Heart of the Sunrise/Close to the Edge/Siberian Khatru/Starship Trooper (Yes)
- The Big Medley (Floyd/Kansas/Queen/Journey/Dregs/Genesis)

I feel like there was an official release of Tears somewhere, but I don't recall any specifics.


As a long time Dream Theater fan, I actually have zero interest in the Ronnie Scott's show.

I'm mostly the same.  Given that most of it was officially released, and the only stuff that wasn't released I'm not interested in (really, only the other Yes songs), it'd be a big nothing for me.  However, if they released a video, I might be up for that (frankly, that's probably the case for virtually any live release anymore).


Tears and Red Hill Mining Town were on a Fan Club CD.  1996, I think.


Winter is the song I'd like to get a good quality recording of.

See, I really want the full Yes package and the UK tune. 
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on August 18, 2022, 04:22:02 PM
Random question (or idea for a future release if anyone involved is reading):

There's gotta be video from the entire August 30, 2000 show (the LSFNY show).  Right?  We have full audio on the CD release, but we haven't seen video from most of the second set.  Seems like it would be an easy choice for a future release.  Right?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on August 18, 2022, 04:25:58 PM
Random question (or idea for a future release if anyone involved is reading):

There's gotta be video from the entire August 30, 2000 show (the LSFNY show).  Right?  We have full audio on the CD release, but we haven't seen video from most of the second set.  Seems like it would be an easy choice for a future release.  Right?

I think we were talking about this when YTR was still a thing.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: bosk1 on August 18, 2022, 04:42:22 PM
Random question (or idea for a future release if anyone involved is reading):

There's gotta be video from the entire August 30, 2000 show (the LSFNY show).  Right?  We have full audio on the CD release, but we haven't seen video from most of the second set.  Seems like it would be an easy choice for a future release.  Right?

I asked about that awhile back, and I don't recall the specifics, but it was something along the lines of some of the additional video being lost or not release quality or something.  That was on my personal bucket list of things I wanted to see (as well as additional Mangini audition footage and some other things). 
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on August 18, 2022, 10:31:29 PM
Random question (or idea for a future release if anyone involved is reading):

There's gotta be video from the entire August 30, 2000 show (the LSFNY show).  Right?  We have full audio on the CD release, but we haven't seen video from most of the second set.  Seems like it would be an easy choice for a future release.  Right?

Looks like only 31:48 of video hasn't been released (from "Metropolis Pt. 1" to "Acid Rain"). It would been really cool to get an updated package with the full video and remastered audio CDs, but that's wishful thinking.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Deadeye21 on August 18, 2022, 10:58:08 PM
Would be great if they were doing VoDs or Blu-Rays or whatever, just some visual content would be awesome.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: the_silent_man on August 19, 2022, 02:47:04 AM
I doubt we will see any video content in this series. I get the impression a big part of the point of these releases is to get them up on streaming sites. I really doubt they generate enough revenue to warrant the extra time that goes into a video release.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ErHaO on August 19, 2022, 04:17:15 AM
Would be really cool and I think great fanservice. But this series is focused (I think) on getting it to streaming services and selling vinyls.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on August 19, 2022, 08:08:01 AM
Quote
Progressive metal titans Dream Theater perform their distinctive rendition of ‘Made in Japan’, the quintessential live record from British heavy metal icons, Deep Purple. Recorded live in 2006 at NHK Hall in Osaka, Japan, the 7-track recording memorializes this one-of-a-kind performance from the New York quintet, honoring the original and historic 1972 classic. Re-mastered and re-released for the first time on vinyl, ‘Made in Japan’ marks the next can’t-miss release in Dream Theater’s growing Lost Not Forgotten Archives collection. Pre-order now here on CD, Vinyl & Digital: https://dream-theater.lnk.to/LNFA-MadeInJapan-Live2006
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/299827655_10160455393015439_3590133070220916142_n.jpg?stp=cp0_dst-jpg_e15_fr_q65&_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8024bb&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=IV2zapuCA4QAX8ExwIe&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=00_AT-2L2Ys1ZHl7OoGGZFekU8Y9e3OwqVsw7ECd9TYJe48hQ&oe=63049798)

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Deadeye21 on August 19, 2022, 08:36:49 AM
Boring! Thankfully only Dark Side to go of these.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on August 19, 2022, 09:10:57 AM
Made In Japan is easily my favorite Cover Album, and the only one that I’ll listen to.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 19, 2022, 09:19:58 AM
It was a great performance, but Deep Purple never really clicked much with me, so this one is of little interest to me.  I'm sure I will listen to it on Spotify on release day, but other than that, I don't care.

I'm glad it's being released for the people that will really enjoy it.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Kram on August 19, 2022, 12:11:58 PM
Made In Japan is easily my favorite Cover Album, and the only one that I’ll listen to.
Nah, I'll still take Dark Side over this.  Here's how I rank their full cover album performances.

Dark Side of the Moon
Made in Japan
Number of the Beast
Master of Puppets
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on August 19, 2022, 12:30:13 PM
As a metal fan, I kind of feel like the MOP and TNOTB are kind of pointless.

I enjoy the DVD of TDSOTM, but I really don't care for that album.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on August 19, 2022, 01:06:00 PM
Quote
Progressive metal titans Dream Theater perform their distinctive rendition of ‘Made in Japan’, the quintessential live record from British heavy metal icons, Deep Purple. Recorded live in 2006 at NHK Hall in Osaka, Japan, the 7-track recording memorializes this one-of-a-kind performance from the New York quintet, honoring the original and historic 1972 classic. Re-mastered and re-released for the first time on vinyl, ‘Made in Japan’ marks the next can’t-miss release in Dream Theater’s growing Lost Not Forgotten Archives collection. Pre-order now here on CD, Vinyl & Digital: https://dream-theater.lnk.to/LNFA-MadeInJapan-Live2006
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/299827655_10160455393015439_3590133070220916142_n.jpg?stp=cp0_dst-jpg_e15_fr_q65&_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8024bb&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=IV2zapuCA4QAX8ExwIe&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=00_AT-2L2Ys1ZHl7OoGGZFekU8Y9e3OwqVsw7ECd9TYJe48hQ&oe=63049798)

-Marc.
Why is it on the "Live" category and not on "Covers"?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on August 19, 2022, 03:08:23 PM
Why is it on the "Live" category and not on "Covers"?

Because... https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2006/tokyo-kokusai-forum-tokyo-japan-33d6d099.html
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on August 19, 2022, 03:38:54 PM
Why is it on the "Live" category and not on "Covers"?

Because... https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2006/tokyo-kokusai-forum-tokyo-japan-33d6d099.html

Yeah, but all of their Cover albums were recorded live in front of an audience.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on August 19, 2022, 04:25:15 PM
Why is it on the "Live" category and not on "Covers"?

Because the attention to detail on these releases has been f***ing abysmal. Just look at how the names have been written on what's been put our so far. Some say Live, some say Live in wherever, some have dates in parentheses, some are just after a comma, and some don't have dates at all! There's no uniformity, something that MP would have been pissed about and never would let happen if he were still in charge of this kind of stuff. So yeah, now one of the Covers albums is categorized as Live. Mega-lame.

LIVE SERIES
Images and Words – Live in Japan, 2017
A Dramatic Tour of Events – Select Board Mixes
When Dream and Day Reunite (Live)
Live in NYC – 1993
...And Beyond – Live in Japan, 2017
Live in Berlin (2019)

COVERS
Master of Puppets – Live in Barcelona, 2002
The Number of the Beast (2002)
Made in Japan - Live (2006)

DEMOS
Train of Thought Instrumental Demos (2003)
The Majesty Demos (1985-1986)
Awake Demos (1994)
Falling into Infinity Demos, 1996-1997
Images and Words Demos (1989-1991)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on August 19, 2022, 04:45:09 PM
Why is it on the "Live" category and not on "Covers"?

Because... https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2006/tokyo-kokusai-forum-tokyo-japan-33d6d099.html
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2002/razzmatazz-barcelona-spain-7bd6d2cc.html
Master of Puppets and it's still in "Covers"!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Nel on August 20, 2022, 02:02:52 AM
Why is it on the "Live" category and not on "Covers"?

Because... https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2006/tokyo-kokusai-forum-tokyo-japan-33d6d099.html

Yeah, but all of their Cover albums were recorded live in front of an audience.

I'm guessing it's because unlike the others, Made In Japan was a live album to begin with. It's still weird though.

Also I agree with OpenYourEyes. There's been no consistency in how these releases are titled. Sometimes the years are in parenthesis, sometimes the location is mentioned, sometimes there's a - and sometimes there's not. Kind of irks a guy like me who likes organizing things neatly.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on August 20, 2022, 04:57:29 AM
Why is it on the "Live" category and not on "Covers"?

Because the attention to detail on these releases has been f***ing abysmal. Just look at how the names have been written on what's been put our so far. Some say Live, some say Live in wherever, some have dates in parentheses, some are just after a comma, and some don't have dates at all! There's no uniformity, something that MP would have been pissed about and never would let happen if he were still in charge of this kind of stuff. So yeah, now one of the Covers albums is categorized as Live. Mega-lame.

LIVE SERIES
Images and Words – Live in Japan, 2017
A Dramatic Tour of Events – Select Board Mixes
When Dream and Day Reunite (Live)
Live in NYC – 1993
...And Beyond – Live in Japan, 2017
Live in Berlin (2019)

COVERS
Master of Puppets – Live in Barcelona, 2002
The Number of the Beast (2002)
Made in Japan - Live (2006)

DEMOS
Train of Thought Instrumental Demos (2003)
The Majesty Demos (1985-1986)
Awake Demos (1994)
Falling into Infinity Demos, 1996-1997
Images and Words Demos (1989-1991)

Yeah, it's pretty bad. Thankfully I'm not too worked up since I'm only picking up a handful of these anyway. At least the price is better than the original bootlegs...but these also have a lot less to offer than those
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on August 20, 2022, 06:36:31 AM
Why is it on the "Live" category and not on "Covers"?

Because the attention to detail on these releases has been f***ing abysmal. Just look at how the names have been written on what's been put our so far. Some say Live, some say Live in wherever, some have dates in parentheses, some are just after a comma, and some don't have dates at all! There's no uniformity, something that MP would have been pissed about and never would let happen if he were still in charge of this kind of stuff. So yeah, now one of the Covers albums is categorized as Live. Mega-lame.

LIVE SERIES
Images and Words – Live in Japan, 2017
A Dramatic Tour of Events – Select Board Mixes
When Dream and Day Reunite (Live)
Live in NYC – 1993
...And Beyond – Live in Japan, 2017
Live in Berlin (2019)

COVERS
Master of Puppets – Live in Barcelona, 2002
The Number of the Beast (2002)
Made in Japan - Live (2006)

DEMOS
Train of Thought Instrumental Demos (2003)
The Majesty Demos (1985-1986)
Awake Demos (1994)
Falling into Infinity Demos, 1996-1997
Images and Words Demos (1989-1991)

Yeah, I’m guessing this is the reason for labeling it Live instead of Covers. It doesn’t make much difference to me, I just stream them. There is only one I bought on CD, it was the WDADRU show. It was done on the TOT tour yet the photos inside were live shots from the Octavarium tour  :facepalm:

It’s just cheap way for them to get some extra stuff out without a lot of overhead. I’m pretty sure it started to make a little extra during the Covid shutdown, but I’m guessing it’s going well because they’re cranking them out. I’m really not complaining about inconsistencies. I’m just glad this stuff is coming out, especially on streaming form.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 20, 2022, 07:08:50 AM
Just got the lost not forgotten When dream and day reunite

love love love it  :metal
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on August 20, 2022, 10:19:02 AM
Yeah, the attention to detail has been a bit sloppy with these releases so far, but I'm still quite happy they're offering them again, and specially the new stuff that's coming out as well.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on August 20, 2022, 11:02:04 AM
Yeah, the attention to detail has been a bit sloppy with these releases so far, but I'm still quite happy they're offering them again, and specially the new stuff that's coming out as well.

Oh, yes. The content has been fantastic. Great for both new and longtime fans.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: geeeemo on August 20, 2022, 12:50:50 PM
I am a newish fan and am totally loving these! I will buy all of them :metal
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: EPIC Outro on August 20, 2022, 03:27:04 PM
What would be really awesome would be if they released the entire WDADR show with the rest of that night's songs included.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on August 20, 2022, 03:31:35 PM
What would be really awesome would be if they released the entire WDADR show with the rest of that night's songs included.

Yes.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on August 20, 2022, 04:20:31 PM
A couple others I want to see:

Live in Manchester, England, 1/16/04 (Train of Thought played front to back)
Live in Winterthur, Switzerland, 10/31/07 (Six of eight songs from Systematic Chaos played, in album order, with Blind Faith and Lines in the Sand replacing the two they skipped)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Deadeye21 on August 20, 2022, 06:24:11 PM
A couple others I want to see:

Live in Winterthur, Switzerland, 10/31/07 (Six of eight songs from Systematic Chaos played, in album order, with Blind Faith and Lines in the Sand replacing the two they skipped)

What did we lose? Repentance and Prophets?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on August 20, 2022, 06:57:08 PM
A couple others I want to see:

Live in Winterthur, Switzerland, 10/31/07 (Six of eight songs from Systematic Chaos played, in album order, with Blind Faith and Lines in the Sand replacing the two they skipped)

What did we lose? Repentance and Prophets?

Indeed :tup
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2007/eulachhalle-winterthur-switzerland-3bd6d0dc.html
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Deadeye21 on August 20, 2022, 07:51:39 PM
A couple others I want to see:

Live in Winterthur, Switzerland, 10/31/07 (Six of eight songs from Systematic Chaos played, in album order, with Blind Faith and Lines in the Sand replacing the two they skipped)

What did we lose? Repentance and Prophets?

Indeed :tup
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2007/eulachhalle-winterthur-switzerland-3bd6d0dc.html

DAYUM! Now that’s a setlist!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Elite on August 21, 2022, 02:51:47 AM
Because... https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2006/tokyo-kokusai-forum-tokyo-japan-33d6d099.html

Imagine going to see Dream Theater for the first time and you get this pretty terrible setlist with half a set of cover songs :lol


Because the attention to detail on these releases has been f***ing abysmal. Just look at how the names have been written on what's been put our so far.

Holy shit, how can you manage to screw up something seemingly so simple up this badly?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: nobloodyname on August 21, 2022, 06:38:24 AM
A couple others I want to see:

Live in Manchester, England, 1/16/04 (Train of Thought played front to back)

MP's left the band since, of course, but he slapped a no trade on the bootleg of this show because he said there were a number of first night gremlins in the performance. I doubt it'd ever get released in view of that.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: sfam2112 on August 21, 2022, 10:39:23 AM
Because... https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2006/tokyo-kokusai-forum-tokyo-japan-33d6d099.html

Imagine going to see Dream Theater for the first time and you get this pretty terrible setlist with half a set of cover songs :lol


At that point, it was fairly well known that the 2nd night of a two-night stand was going to feature a cover album in its entirety, so you were taking a gamble if you chose to go the second night. :P

This was the night before: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2006/tokyo-kokusai-forum-tokyo-japan-2bd6d09a.html
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on August 21, 2022, 10:49:45 AM
A couple others I want to see:

Live in Manchester, England, 1/16/04 (Train of Thought played front to back)

MP's left the band since, of course, but he slapped a no trade on the bootleg of this show because he said there were a number of first night gremlins in the performance. I doubt it'd ever get released in view of that.

Beg pardon?


Because... https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2006/tokyo-kokusai-forum-tokyo-japan-33d6d099.html

Imagine going to see Dream Theater for the first time and you get this pretty terrible setlist with half a set of cover songs :lol


At that point, it was fairly well known that the 2nd night of a two-night stand was going to feature a cover album in its entirety, so you were taking a gamble if you chose to go the second night. :P

We had a long discussion about this not too long ago, but it was only "fairly well known" among a relatively small group of highly dialed in fans.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on August 21, 2022, 10:51:19 AM
I was just typing "Hey, haven't we discussed that here once or 206 times before?"
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: sfam2112 on August 21, 2022, 11:09:55 AM
I was just typing "Hey, haven't we discussed that here once or 206 times before?"

Sorry. I wasn't counting.  :D :-*
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Dream Team on August 21, 2022, 11:31:21 AM
A couple others I want to see:

Live in Winterthur, Switzerland, 10/31/07 (Six of eight songs from Systematic Chaos played, in album order, with Blind Faith and Lines in the Sand replacing the two they skipped)

What did we lose? Repentance and Prophets?

Indeed :tup
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2007/eulachhalle-winterthur-switzerland-3bd6d0dc.html

DAYUM! Now that’s a setlist!

It sure is 100% a definite definition of a set list; but a pretty terrible one.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on August 21, 2022, 11:56:44 AM
A couple others I want to see:

Live in Winterthur, Switzerland, 10/31/07 (Six of eight songs from Systematic Chaos played, in album order, with Blind Faith and Lines in the Sand replacing the two they skipped)

What did we lose? Repentance and Prophets?

Indeed :tup
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2007/eulachhalle-winterthur-switzerland-3bd6d0dc.html

DAYUM! Now that’s a setlist!

It sure is 100% a definite definition of a set list; but a pretty terrible one.

Agreed. Plus all of this is already on Chaos In Motion.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ytserush on August 21, 2022, 01:22:06 PM
Yeah, the attention to detail has been a bit sloppy with these releases so far, but I'm still quite happy they're offering them again, and specially the new stuff that's coming out as well.

That's because mike is no longer in charge. I've been cherry picking the newer releases limiting myself to previously unreleased and my favorite Ytsejam releases. No need to have to full sets at this point.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on August 21, 2022, 07:24:49 PM
A couple others I want to see:

Live in Winterthur, Switzerland, 10/31/07 (Six of eight songs from Systematic Chaos played, in album order, with Blind Faith and Lines in the Sand replacing the two they skipped)

What did we lose? Repentance and Prophets?

Indeed :tup
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2007/eulachhalle-winterthur-switzerland-3bd6d0dc.html

DAYUM! Now that’s a setlist!

It sure is 100% a definite definition of a set list; but a pretty terrible one.

 :rollin
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on August 22, 2022, 07:34:31 AM
Yeah, the attention to detail has been a bit sloppy with these releases so far, but I'm still quite happy they're offering them again, and specially the new stuff that's coming out as well.

That's because mike is no longer in charge. I've been cherry picking the newer releases limiting myself to previously unreleased and my favorite Ytsejam releases. No need to have to full sets at this point.

So, I have a complete Ytsejam set (Dream Theater, not the LTE stuff).  Are the items being re-released through Lost Not Forgotten different (musically) in any way?   I've only been buying the stuff that hasn't been released before.  I'm not interested in a "complete" LNF set, just hearing new or different music.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on August 22, 2022, 08:33:16 AM
Yeah, the attention to detail has been a bit sloppy with these releases so far, but I'm still quite happy they're offering them again, and specially the new stuff that's coming out as well.

That's because mike is no longer in charge. I've been cherry picking the newer releases limiting myself to previously unreleased and my favorite Ytsejam releases. No need to have to full sets at this point.

So, I have a complete Ytsejam set (Dream Theater, not the LTE stuff).  Are the items being re-released through Lost Not Forgotten different (musically) in any way?   I've only been buying the stuff that hasn't been released before.  I'm not interested in a "complete" LNF set, just hearing new or different music.

They've been remastered and apparently the Awake demos got remixed too, but other than that, they are the same thing as the originals.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: bosk1 on August 23, 2022, 01:49:52 PM
Yeah, the attention to detail has been a bit sloppy with these releases so far, but I'm still quite happy they're offering them again, and specially the new stuff that's coming out as well.

That's because mike is no longer in charge. I've been cherry picking the newer releases limiting myself to previously unreleased and my favorite Ytsejam releases. No need to have to full sets at this point.

So, I have a complete Ytsejam set (Dream Theater, not the LTE stuff).  Are the items being re-released through Lost Not Forgotten different (musically) in any way?   I've only been buying the stuff that hasn't been released before.  I'm not interested in a "complete" LNF set, just hearing new or different music.

They've been remastered and apparently the Awake demos got remixed too, but other than that, they are the same thing as the originals.

Correct.  For me, I'm not re-buying any that were YJR releases because I have those.  But I'm getting all the others ones.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on August 23, 2022, 05:33:53 PM
Of the new ones, I have skipped the two Japan CD's. Why release each set separately, and not even include ACOS?

But the Berlin one is absolutely amazing.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on August 25, 2022, 04:56:11 PM
Yeah, the attention to detail has been a bit sloppy with these releases so far, but I'm still quite happy they're offering them again, and specially the new stuff that's coming out as well.

That's because mike is no longer in charge. I've been cherry picking the newer releases limiting myself to previously unreleased and my favorite Ytsejam releases. No need to have to full sets at this point.

So, I have a complete Ytsejam set (Dream Theater, not the LTE stuff).  Are the items being re-released through Lost Not Forgotten different (musically) in any way?   I've only been buying the stuff that hasn't been released before.  I'm not interested in a "complete" LNF set, just hearing new or different music.

They've been remastered and apparently the Awake demos got remixed too, but other than that, they are the same thing as the originals.

Really like the sound on the FII demos.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on August 25, 2022, 06:14:54 PM
I've really liked the Berlin set; it even inspired me to go back and listen to Distance Over Time a couple times (and isn't that partly the reason for live albums?).   The applause in between songs, though, is freaky; I get it, it's a soundboard (right?) but still.  Minor quibble, though, as the band sounds incredible.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Nel on August 26, 2022, 10:49:44 AM
The applause in between songs, though, is freaky; I get it, it's a soundboard (right?) but still.  Minor quibble, though, as the band sounds incredible.

Wait, is THAT why I can hardly hear the crowd? It's kind of deflating when I can't hear the audience go flippin' wild when the next song starts up.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on August 26, 2022, 02:17:15 PM
The applause in between songs, though, is freaky; I get it, it's a soundboard (right?) but still.  Minor quibble, though, as the band sounds incredible.

Wait, is THAT why I can hardly hear the crowd? It's kind of deflating when I can't hear the audience go flippin' wild when the next song starts up.

I think it's during LIE and the muted/muffled audience is cranked up because LaBrie has the audience sing a part and...it sounds...ghoulish.

But yeah I'm digging the bootleg.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on August 26, 2022, 06:41:25 PM
I think it's during LIE and the muted/muffled audience is cranked up because LaBrie has the audience sing a part and...it sounds...ghoulish.

Now I gotta listen to this for myself!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on August 27, 2022, 06:49:36 PM
So while listening to the Live In Berlin set, this jumped out at me.

6:22 of As I Am..
"I'll extend my haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand"  :hefdaddy :metal :hefdaddy

Fucking James, where in Satan's Hell did that come from?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on August 27, 2022, 11:14:47 PM
I think it's during LIE and the muted/muffled audience is cranked up because LaBrie has the audience sing a part and...it sounds...ghoulish.

Now I gotta listen to this for myself!

It's about the 4:30 mark. I just listened to it again on my laptop and didn't sound nearly as weird. With headphones it was almost a little jarring since it didnt sound like a proper audience sing along.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Grandepapa on August 29, 2022, 09:38:30 AM
So while listening to the Live In Berlin set, this jumped out at me.

6:22 of As I Am..
"I'll extend my haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand"  :hefdaddy :metal :hefdaddy

Fucking James, where in Satan's Hell did that come from?

That's fucking crazy, lmao, I love it. I've heard him do that in a few other recordings from that tour but that's quite possibly the most insane one!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ErHaO on August 30, 2022, 05:01:40 AM
So while listening to the Live In Berlin set, this jumped out at me.

6:22 of As I Am..
"I'll extend my haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand"  :hefdaddy :metal :hefdaddy

Fucking James, where in Satan's Hell did that come from?

I really love this version of As I Am. Quite glad to have such an enjoyable and recent live release out of nowhere (for me at least).
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: wasteland on September 04, 2022, 02:30:24 AM
So while listening to the Live In Berlin set, this jumped out at me.

6:22 of As I Am..
"I'll extend my haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand"  :hefdaddy :metal :hefdaddy

Fucking James, where in Satan's Hell did that come from?

As I hear it:

"Tho those who own the stand.... WHY EXTEND MY HEEEEEEEEEEEN???

He did that throughout the whole Summer '19 tour, including the date I attended in Geneva. Pretty sick vocal moment!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on September 04, 2022, 10:27:47 AM
AS I Am is typically a song I skip so I was shocked to hear that part.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: wolfking on September 07, 2022, 06:54:23 PM
I'm having a listen through live in Berlin today actually.  Holy hell James sounds fantastic!!!  Can't believe this was only 3 years ago compared to now. 

I haven't dived deep into these bootleg serious, but some of these are better than the official releases.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: v_clortho on September 09, 2022, 04:30:01 PM
Just got the Images and Words Demos. And the content is the Live in Berlin cd. What? Anyone else have this issue?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on September 09, 2022, 06:58:04 PM
Just got the Images and Words Demos. And the content is the Live in Berlin cd. What? Anyone else have this issue?

https://www.facebook.com/289541335438/posts/pfbid02tdt1V5UtvaerkS53LFF79e8QLMhtFXzy1fCrUyS2A5ozjugJ7xcECF8pejioVo9nl/

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0wU2Ksg7DrYt36sr52n3wyaeKiksZwDsiYcpCmBfCC5yNNBxjQTFjHxGJZGbwV47dl&id=100044456258493

https://twitter.com/insideouteu/status/1568237921030873088?t=PF5az8XcBsI2zX3S_xlsFw&s=19

Looks like several others have this issue too. I guess someone goofed at the factory a couple months ago.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on September 09, 2022, 07:00:44 PM
Would've never happened with MP around. :lol


I'm kidding, kinda..
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Dream Team on September 10, 2022, 03:54:36 PM
Really enjoyed the Images and Words demos. James sounds amazing of course with some subtle differences here and there.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 11, 2022, 03:15:34 AM
Would've never happened with MP around. :lol


I'm kidding, kinda..

Happened to me with Live At Budokan, I got two discs 2 and no disc 3. But I'm not sure if it was MP's fault.  ;)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: v_clortho on September 11, 2022, 05:23:16 PM
So Amazon is sending me a new cd. Do I keep the misprinted one hoping it'll become a collectors item? What would you all do?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: v_clortho on September 11, 2022, 07:05:31 PM
And now my replacement has the same problem... Did anyone get a good copy?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: wolfking on September 12, 2022, 09:36:01 PM
So while listening to the Live In Berlin set, this jumped out at me.

6:22 of As I Am..
"I'll extend my haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand"  :hefdaddy :metal :hefdaddy

Fucking James, where in Satan's Hell did that come from?

Listening now, James rips shit up on this version, love it!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: countoftuscany42 on September 15, 2022, 02:58:49 PM
I got the white vinyl from LaserCD, it came with the correct CDs.  InsideOut posted to their facebook that you can reach out for a replacement if you received the wrong CDs
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: goo-goo on September 15, 2022, 03:02:00 PM
We are aware of a manufacturing error that includes the wrong audio files for the Dream Theater album Lost Not Forgotten Archives: Images and Words Demos (1989-1991). We are working on correcting this issue and want to be sure anyone who has purchased the CD in the United States receives a new copy with the proper album. Please email (dreamtheaterlnfa@gmail.com) with your name, order confirmation and shipping information and a new copy will be sent to you ASAP.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Hypnotherapist on September 16, 2022, 06:16:16 AM
For November' 11th : LOST NOT FORGOTTEN ARCHIVES: OLD BRIDGE, NEW JERSEY (1996)
https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13 (https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13)
https://centurymedia.store/dept/dream-theater (https://centurymedia.store/dept/dream-theater)

Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Deadeye21 on September 16, 2022, 06:20:23 AM
For November' 11th : LOST NOT FORGOTTEN ARCHIVES: OLD BRIDGE, NEW JERSEY (1996)
https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13 (https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13)
https://centurymedia.store/dept/dream-theater (https://centurymedia.store/dept/dream-theater)

Oh nice! That’s a good show
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 16, 2022, 07:01:06 AM
For November' 11th : LOST NOT FORGOTTEN ARCHIVES: OLD BRIDGE, NEW JERSEY (1996)
https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13 (https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13)
https://centurymedia.store/dept/dream-theater (https://centurymedia.store/dept/dream-theater)
Sweet!  This is one that I never got from YtseJam!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on September 16, 2022, 07:02:43 AM
For November' 11th : LOST NOT FORGOTTEN ARCHIVES: OLD BRIDGE, NEW JERSEY (1996)
https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13 (https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13)
https://centurymedia.store/dept/dream-theater (https://centurymedia.store/dept/dream-theater)
Sweet!  This is one that I never got from YtseJam!

I think it's a gem.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 16, 2022, 07:29:32 AM
For November' 11th : LOST NOT FORGOTTEN ARCHIVES: OLD BRIDGE, NEW JERSEY (1996)
https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13 (https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13)
https://centurymedia.store/dept/dream-theater (https://centurymedia.store/dept/dream-theater)
Sweet!  This is one that I never got from YtseJam!

I think it's a gem.
I have heard good things about it.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on September 16, 2022, 08:30:23 AM
For November' 11th : LOST NOT FORGOTTEN ARCHIVES: OLD BRIDGE, NEW JERSEY (1996)
https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13 (https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13)
https://centurymedia.store/dept/dream-theater (https://centurymedia.store/dept/dream-theater)
Yeah! Nice artwork! I will listen to my ytsejam mp3 of that show...
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on September 16, 2022, 08:55:28 AM
For November' 11th : LOST NOT FORGOTTEN ARCHIVES: OLD BRIDGE, NEW JERSEY (1996)
https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13 (https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13)
https://centurymedia.store/dept/dream-theater (https://centurymedia.store/dept/dream-theater)

 :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on September 16, 2022, 04:33:34 PM
For November' 11th : LOST NOT FORGOTTEN ARCHIVES: OLD BRIDGE, NEW JERSEY (1996)
https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13 (https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13)
https://centurymedia.store/dept/dream-theater (https://centurymedia.store/dept/dream-theater)
Sweet!  This is one that I never got from YtseJam!

I think it's a gem.


Yep.  And my favorite version of The Killing Hand.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on September 16, 2022, 04:43:24 PM
Throwing this in the car for the weekend.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: HOF on September 17, 2022, 01:20:39 PM
For November' 11th : LOST NOT FORGOTTEN ARCHIVES: OLD BRIDGE, NEW JERSEY (1996)
https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13 (https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13)
https://centurymedia.store/dept/dream-theater (https://centurymedia.store/dept/dream-theater)

Would it be too much to ask for a track list on the label’s website? Anyone have a link to one?

Edit: didn’t realize there were two links there. The Century Media link had the track list:

CD 1:
A Change of Seasons, Pt. I (Live in New Jersey, 1996)
A Change of Seasons, Pt. II (Live in New Jersey, 1996)
The Mirror (Live in New Jersey, 1996)
Lie (Live in New Jersey, 1996)
Burning My Soul (Live in New Jersey, 1996)
Another Hand/The Killing Hand (Live in New Jersey, 1996)
Just Let Me Breathe (Live in New Jersey, 1996)
Caught in a Web (Live in New Jersey, 1996)
Peruvian Skies (Live in New Jersey, 1996)
Pull Me Under (Live in New Jersey, 1996)
CD 2:
Lines in the Sand (Live in New Jersey, 1996)
Take Away My Pain (Live in New Jersey, 1996)
A Change of Seasons, Pt. IV (Live in New Jersey, 1996)
Ytse Jam (Live in New Jersey, 1996)
Learning to Live (Live in New Jersey, 1996)
A Change of Season, Pt. VII (Live in New Jersey, 1996)
Metropolis (Live in New Jersey, 1996)
change.

Very similar to the OIALT set list.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Max Kuehnau on September 17, 2022, 05:00:29 PM
with the notable difference and exception that OIAL was heavily shortened and never in the actual concert order (look at Porty's concert database for the setlist and you'll see) and the Old Bridge show actually was an entire show
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on September 17, 2022, 05:29:23 PM
Are these songs recorded live in New Jersey, in 1996? I am not sure. Could they not have just put that as a subtitle and not have to include it in every single track?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Max Kuehnau on September 17, 2022, 05:31:33 PM
Yes they were
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on September 17, 2022, 05:42:39 PM
That's the Old Bridge show for sure, and it was the setlist for that short tour.

BTW, if anyone does not have this, this is a must get.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: devieira73 on September 17, 2022, 07:39:56 PM
with the notable difference and exception that OIAL was heavily shortened and never in the actual concert order (look at Porty's concert database for the setlist and you'll see) and the Old Bridge show actually was an entire show
Also all the FII songs are in their demo arrangements and Metropolis and LTL are with alternative solo sections. It's really an interesting show to have!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: HOF on September 17, 2022, 08:29:58 PM
with the notable difference and exception that OIAL was heavily shortened and never in the actual concert order (look at Porty's concert database for the setlist and you'll see) and the Old Bridge show actually was an entire show
Also all the FII songs are in their demo arrangements and Metropolis and LTL are with alternative solo sections. It's really an interesting show to have!

Is it the full Metropolis and Learning to Live, or did they medley them like on OIALT?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: devieira73 on September 17, 2022, 08:43:37 PM
Both full :tup
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: HOF on September 17, 2022, 09:19:19 PM
Both full :tup

Nice! May have to check this one out.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 18, 2022, 10:21:39 AM
This was the last Ytsejam release I bought. I am glad I did because I just bought it for Take Away My Pain live and the rest of the set is great.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on September 18, 2022, 03:56:39 PM
Are these songs recorded live in New Jersey, in 1996? I am not sure. Could they not have just put that as a subtitle and not have to include it in every single track?


Spotify does this all the time.  While it's annoying within an album, I suppose it's useful if you're listening to a playlist or a random shuffle of songs.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on September 18, 2022, 05:04:12 PM
Both full :tup
Nice! May have to check this one out.
Another reason is for the version of CiaW that they did on that tour, which was known as "Caught In Alice's Nine Inch Tool Garden". It ended up providing the initial seeds for what ended up becoming New Millennium.

As Timmeh said, this is definitely one to get!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on September 18, 2022, 06:28:37 PM
This is a great show, and this tour was the first one that my wife came with me too. I love how it previews the '04 version of The Killing Hand and the '06 version of Learning To Live.

This early version of Lines In The Sand is ..interesting. MP rules this show.

And the best version of Take Away My Pain.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Hypnotherapist on September 19, 2022, 08:39:11 AM
Here's the set list for the night (according to Setlist.fm):
1 . A Change of Seasons: I The Crimson Sunrise
2 . A Change of Seasons: II Innocence
3 . The Mirror
4 . Lie
5 . Burning My Soul
6 . Another Hand /
7 . The Killing Hand
8 . Just Let Me Breathe
9 . Caught in a New Millennium (Caught in Alice's New Nine- Inch Millennium Tool Garden)
10 . Peruvian Skies
11 . Pull Me Under (sans intro)
12 . Lines in the Sand
13 . Take Away My Pain
14 . A Change of Seasons: III Carpe Diem
15 . A Change of Seasons: IV The Darkest of Winters
16 . The Ytse Jam
17 . Learning to Live
18 . A Change of Seasons: VII The Crimson Sunset
Encore:
19 . Metropolis Pt. 1: The Miracle and the Sleeper
(Damage, Inc. jam in ending)

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/1996/birch-hill-nite-club-old-bridge-nj-23d6cc4f.html (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/1996/birch-hill-nite-club-old-bridge-nj-23d6cc4f.html)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on September 19, 2022, 08:46:20 AM
So here's one for you all....

So the b-sides to the Hollow Years single in Japan included "Burning My Soul" and "Another Hand/The Killing Hand" allegedly from that show. I don't recall the differences now, but when I compared them last, they were different.  Are they not from that night?  Did they touch up either the b-sides or the full show?  Anyone know?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on September 19, 2022, 09:33:22 AM
That's the Old Bridge show for sure, and it was the setlist for that short tour.

BTW, if anyone does not have this, this is a must get.

Why?  As Max noted, with the exception of The Mirror and TKH (and Burning My Soul, which is only on the DVD), all of this stuff is on Once in a Livetime (and the version of TKH on Live at the Marquee is infinitely superior than anything that would have been done in 1996).

Unless there's something special here, I'm not inclined to plunk down for a show supporting one of my least favorite albums and which is similar to something that already exists.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Max Kuehnau on September 19, 2022, 09:47:00 AM
That's the Old Bridge show for sure, and it was the setlist for that short tour.

BTW, if anyone does not have this, this is a must get.

Why?  As Max noted, with the exception of The Mirror and TKH (and Burning My Soul, which is only on the DVD), all of this stuff is on Once in a Livetime (and the version of TKH on Live at the Marquee is infinitely superior than anything that would have been done in 1996).

Unless there's something special here, I'm not inclined to plunk down for a show supporting one of my least favorite albums and which is similar to something that already exists.
IIRC, the version of Burning My Soul was the original demo version that day (meaning, not the one that was tampered with in various ways for FII)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on September 19, 2022, 09:52:11 AM
Why?  As Max noted, with the exception of The Mirror and TKH (and Burning My Soul, which is only on the DVD), all of this stuff is on Once in a Livetime (and the version of TKH on Live at the Marquee is infinitely superior than anything that would have been done in 1996).

Unless there's something special here, I'm not inclined to plunk down for a show supporting one of my least favorite albums and which is similar to something that already exists.


Strong disagree on TKH.  This version is superior. 
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on September 19, 2022, 09:54:26 AM
So here's one for you all....

So the b-sides to the Hollow Years single in Japan included "Burning My Soul" and "Another Hand/The Killing Hand" allegedly from that show. I don't recall the differences now, but when I compared them last, they were different.  Are they not from that night?  Did they touch up either the b-sides or the full show?  Anyone know?


There's some slight difference on TKH.  Just before his entrance on the sing b-side, James says something like, "Mike, you want to do this?".  This is not heard on the official bootleg, but other than some minor mix/master differences they are otherwise the same.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on September 19, 2022, 09:59:10 AM
As Max noted, with the exception of The Mirror and TKH (and Burning My Soul, which is only on the DVD), all of this stuff is on Once in a Livetime (and the version of TKH on Live at the Marquee is infinitely superior than anything that would have been done in 1996).

Unless there's something special here, I'm not inclined to plunk down for a show supporting one of my least favorite albums and which is similar to something that already exists.

Might wanna re-read these posts - there are several reasons:
Also all the FII songs are in their demo arrangements and Metropolis and LTL are with alternative solo sections. It's really an interesting show to have!
Is it the full Metropolis and Learning to Live, or did they medley them like on OIALT?
Both full :tup
Another reason is for the version of CiaW that they did on that tour, which was known as "Caught In Alice's Nine Inch Tool Garden".
...and that's in addition to the demo arrangements of BMS, LitS and TAMP which some fans feel are superior to what ended up on the album.

I agree with ZirconBlue - the version of TKH on the official 96 boot is better, aside from JL's vocals which should be expected since they were re-recorded in the studio.

But if you don't think it's worth it don't bother. At the very least, you'll be able to check it out on Spotify and I'm sure it's probably already somewhere on YT and can decide whether to get it or not. But IMO it's great for all the variations from the official album versions.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on September 19, 2022, 10:42:47 AM
Well...to each his own, but full versions of songs for which I already have several full versions isn't a selling point.  And, as I've made pretty clear, I don't care for the non-album versions of FII songs.

As far as TKH, I looked to see if the Old Bridge version was on YouTube, and it doesn't appear to be.  However, there is a recording from the Toad's Place show a week earlier, and I assume that's roughly the same arrangement.  Obviously, it's a boot, so I'm sure the recording quality isn't as good as the CD, but I don't hear anything that makes it better than the LATM version, and James's vocals are THE critical part of the song (for me at least).  There's also a bunch of extended instrumental noodling, including a nod to Carol of the Bells, which probably would have been cool if I were there, but which is nothing special on a recording.


But if you don't think it's worth it don't bother.

That's why I asked the question.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on September 19, 2022, 11:10:49 AM
There's also a bunch of extended instrumental noodling, including a nod to Carol of the Bells, which probably would have been cool if I were there, but which is nothing special on a recording.

I always wondered why they randomly decided to play some Carol of the Bells in the middle of TKH. Was there a special reason for this? Did they first do it for Christmas season shows? ??? Not that I don't enjoy it, just asking why.

Also, an opinion that nobody asked for, but I, too, prefer the LATM version :P
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on September 19, 2022, 12:26:05 PM
There's also a bunch of extended instrumental noodling, including a nod to Carol of the Bells, which probably would have been cool if I were there, but which is nothing special on a recording.

I always wondered why they randomly decided to play some Carol of the Bells in the middle of TKH. Was there a special reason for this? Did they first do it for Christmas season shows? ??? Not that I don't enjoy it, just asking why.

Also, an opinion that nobody asked for, but I, too, prefer the LATM version :P

The Old Bridge and Toad's Place shows were two of the five shows known as "The Fix for '96" between Dec. 4-14, 1996.  MP no longer has the FAQ pages on his website (or if he does, I can't find them), but if I remember correctly, these shows were done to stay fresh while they were waiting to get the green light for recording FII (they hadn't played live since December 1995, so they were itching to play).  Since the shows were shortly before Christmas, then threw some Christmas music, which I believe was not uncommon back then for shows in December.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Hypnotherapist on September 19, 2022, 12:56:25 PM
There's also a bunch of extended instrumental noodling, including a nod to Carol of the Bells, which probably would have been cool if I were there, but which is nothing special on a recording.

I always wondered why they randomly decided to play some Carol of the Bells in the middle of TKH. Was there a special reason for this? Did they first do it for Christmas season shows? ??? Not that I don't enjoy it, just asking why.

Also, an opinion that nobody asked for, but I, too, prefer the LATM version :P

The Old Bridge and Toad's Place shows were two of the five shows known as "The Fix for '96" between Dec. 4-14, 1996.  MP no longer has the FAQ pages on his website (or if he does, I can't find them), but if I remember correctly, these shows were done to stay fresh while they were waiting to get the green light for recording FII (they hadn't played live since December 1995, so they were itching to play).  Since the shows were shortly before Christmas, then threw some Christmas music, which I believe was not uncommon back then for shows in December.

I think these are here:

THE FIX FOR '96 SHOWS

12/04/1996 Poughkeepsie, NY, USA

Venue:   The Chance
Other Act(s):   Rudess/Morgenstein Opened

Set List:
The Crimson Sunrise/
Innocence/
The Mirror/
Lie
Burning My Soul '96
Another Hand/
The Killing Hand '96
Just Let Me Breathe
Caught In Alice'S 9-Inch Tool Garden
Peruvian Skies/
Pull Me Under (Sans Intro)
Lines In The Sand'96
Take Away My Pain'96
Carpe Diem (Instrumental)/
The Darkest Of Winters/
Ytsejam/
Learning To Live'96/
The Crimson Sunset (W/ A Fortune In Lies Teaser)
~~~Encore~~~
Metropolis Pt 1 '96
Eve (Outro Tape)
---------------------------------------------------------
12/05/1996 Wantaugh, Long Island, NY, USA

Venue:   Mulcahey'S
Other Act(s):   Einstein Opened

Set List:
The Crimson Sunrise/
Innocence/
The Mirror/
Lie
Burning My Soul'96
Another Hand/
The Killing Hand'96
Just Let Me Breathe
Caught In Alice'S 9-Inch Tool Garden
Peruvian Skies/
Pull Me Under (Sans Intro)
Lines In The Sand'96
Take Away My Pain'96
Carpe Diem (Instrumental)/
The Darkest Of Winters/
Ytsejam/
Learning To Live '96/
The Crimson Sunset (W/ A Fortune In Lies Teaser)
~~~Encore~~~
Metropolis Pt 1 '96
Eve (Outro Tape)
--------------------------------------------------------
12/06/1996 New Haven, CT, USA

Venue:   Toad'S Place
Other Act(s):   Rudess/Morgenstein Opened

Set List:
The Crimson Sunrise/
Innocence/
The Mirror/
Lie
Burning My Soul '96
Another Hand/
The Killing Hand '96
Just Let Me Breathe
Caught In Alice'S 9-Inch Tool Garden
Peruvian Skies/
Pull Me Under (Sans Intro)
Lines In The Sand '96
Take Away My Pain '96
Carpe Diem (Instrumental)/
The Darkest Of Winters/
Ytsejam/
Learning To Live '96/
The Crimson Sunset (W/ A Fortune In Lies Teaser)
~~~Encore~~~
Metropolis Pt 1 '96
Eve (Outro Tape)
--------------------------------------------------------
12/12/1996 Providence, RI, USA

Venue:   The Strand
Other Act(s):   Einstein And The Beth Hart Band Opened

Set List:
The Crimson Sunrise/
Innocence/
The Mirror/
Lie
Burning My Soul'96
Another Hand/
The Killing Hand'96
Just Let Me Breathe
Caught In Alice'S 9-Inch Tool Garden
Peruvian Skies/
Pull Me Under (Sans Intro)
Lines In The Sand '96
Take Away My Pain'96
Carpe Diem (Instrumental)/
The Darkest Of Winters/
Ytsejam/
Learning To Live '96/
The Crimson Sunset (W/ A Fortune In Lies Teaser)
Eve (Outro Tape)

Notes:   There was no encore at this show due to a curfew and that the Beth Hart Band was added to the bill at the last minute.
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12/14/1996 Old Bridge, NJ, USA

Venue:   Birch Hill
Other Act(s):   Einstein Opened

Set List:
The Crimson Sunrise/
Innocence/
The Mirror/
Lie
Burning My Soul'96
Another Hand/
The Killing Hand'96
Just Let Me Breathe
Caught In Alice'S 9-Inch Tool Garden
Peruvian Skies/
Pull Me Under (Sans Intro)
Lines In The Sand '96
Take Away My Pain '96
Carpe Diem (Instrumental)/
The Darkest Of Winters/
Ytsejam/
Learning To Live '96/
The Crimson Sunset (W/ A Fortune In Lies Teaser)
~~~Encore~~~
Metropolis Pt 1 '96 (W/ One (Metallica) Teaser)

Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Hypnotherapist on September 19, 2022, 01:00:59 PM
And of course... the complete list can be found here:
https://www.mikeportnoy.com/tourography/ (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/tourography/) Just click on the DT icon (or any other...if interested)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on September 19, 2022, 01:04:08 PM
And of course... the complete list can be found here:
https://www.mikeportnoy.com/tourography/ (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/tourography/) Just click on the DT icon (or any other...if interested)

Just to be clear, yes, the Tourography pages are still there.  The FAQ pages were different and, as far as I can tell, are gone.  Of course, most, if not all, of what was covered in the FAQ pages was also covered in the Lifting Shadows book.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on September 19, 2022, 01:10:24 PM
There's also a bunch of extended instrumental noodling, including a nod to Carol of the Bells, which probably would have been cool if I were there, but which is nothing special on a recording.

I always wondered why they randomly decided to play some Carol of the Bells in the middle of TKH. Was there a special reason for this? Did they first do it for Christmas season shows? ??? Not that I don't enjoy it, just asking why.

Also, an opinion that nobody asked for, but I, too, prefer the LATM version :P

The Old Bridge and Toad's Place shows were two of the five shows known as "The Fix for '96" between Dec. 4-14, 1996.  MP no longer has the FAQ pages on his website (or if he does, I can't find them), but if I remember correctly, these shows were done to stay fresh while they were waiting to get the green light for recording FII (they hadn't played live since December 1995, so they were itching to play).  Since the shows were shortly before Christmas, then threw some Christmas music, which I believe was not uncommon back then for shows in December.

That makes sense, but IIRC, they kept that Christmas section when they played it later in the 2000's ???
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on September 19, 2022, 01:17:43 PM
There's also a bunch of extended instrumental noodling, including a nod to Carol of the Bells, which probably would have been cool if I were there, but which is nothing special on a recording.

I always wondered why they randomly decided to play some Carol of the Bells in the middle of TKH. Was there a special reason for this? Did they first do it for Christmas season shows? ??? Not that I don't enjoy it, just asking why.

Also, an opinion that nobody asked for, but I, too, prefer the LATM version :P

The Old Bridge and Toad's Place shows were two of the five shows known as "The Fix for '96" between Dec. 4-14, 1996.  MP no longer has the FAQ pages on his website (or if he does, I can't find them), but if I remember correctly, these shows were done to stay fresh while they were waiting to get the green light for recording FII (they hadn't played live since December 1995, so they were itching to play).  Since the shows were shortly before Christmas, then threw some Christmas music, which I believe was not uncommon back then for shows in December.

That makes sense, but IIRC, they kept that Christmas section when they played it later in the 2000's ???

If they did, that's weird because TKH has only ever been played in December at the "Fix for '96" shows and at the end of the first American leg of the I&W tour.  In the 21st century, TKH has only been played between January and August, except for one show in October and one in early November.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Hypnotherapist on September 19, 2022, 01:35:04 PM
And of course... the complete list can be found here:
https://www.mikeportnoy.com/tourography/ (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/tourography/) Just click on the DT icon (or any other...if interested)

Just to be clear, yes, the Tourography pages are still there.  The FAQ pages were different and, as far as I can tell, are gone.  Of course, most, if not all, of what was covered in the FAQ pages was also covered in the Lifting Shadows book.
It's clear, you're right. ;)  In fact the page is not that updated but it still serves as a good reference.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on September 19, 2022, 02:30:13 PM
There's also a bunch of extended instrumental noodling, including a nod to Carol of the Bells, which probably would have been cool if I were there, but which is nothing special on a recording.

I always wondered why they randomly decided to play some Carol of the Bells in the middle of TKH. Was there a special reason for this? Did they first do it for Christmas season shows? ??? Not that I don't enjoy it, just asking why.

Also, an opinion that nobody asked for, but I, too, prefer the LATM version :P

The Old Bridge and Toad's Place shows were two of the five shows known as "The Fix for '96" between Dec. 4-14, 1996.  MP no longer has the FAQ pages on his website (or if he does, I can't find them), but if I remember correctly, these shows were done to stay fresh while they were waiting to get the green light for recording FII (they hadn't played live since December 1995, so they were itching to play).  Since the shows were shortly before Christmas, then threw some Christmas music, which I believe was not uncommon back then for shows in December.

That makes sense, but IIRC, they kept that Christmas section when they played it later in the 2000's ???


Yes.  I think they even included it on WDaDR, even though they went back to the original intro instead of Another Hand.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on September 19, 2022, 02:30:52 PM
My shirt from the tour..

(https://i.imgur.com/HufjdPG.jpg)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Dream Team on September 19, 2022, 05:25:34 PM
Is Carol of the Bells in the arrangement for the Re-Unite version from 2004?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on September 19, 2022, 05:51:37 PM
Is Carol of the Bells in the arrangement for the Re-Unite version from 2004?

Yes, starting around the 8:00 mark:  https://youtu.be/eYoeZ3U67Mg

A little weird given that this show was in March.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on September 19, 2022, 06:35:07 PM
Thank you. I have literally never known what the Carol Of the Bells section was.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 19, 2022, 08:23:30 PM
I find it funny I never even noticed that it's Carol of The Bells. No wonder I love that part of the song in the Live versions.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Deadeye21 on September 20, 2022, 01:18:02 AM
We’re gonna highlight the Carol of the Bells, but not the fact that this includes part of One Last Time shortly before?

I believe they may have just liked what they did with Carol of the Bells and kept doing it. However, as it has not appeared since Portnoy left, I wonder who’s idea it was to include it in the first place. Many alterations that he made to the songs have disappeared live since Mangini’s arrival, so it would be interesting to see what they did with it nowadays.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on September 20, 2022, 06:43:36 AM
Is Carol of the Bells in the arrangement for the Re-Unite version from 2004?

Yes, starting around the 8:00 mark:  https://youtu.be/eYoeZ3U67Mg

A little weird given that this show was in March.

That gave me great joy watching that.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on September 20, 2022, 09:34:56 AM
We’re gonna highlight the Carol of the Bells, but not the fact that this includes part of One Last Time shortly before?

Meh...I don't think it's OLT, although the chord progression on one pass sounds similar.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 20, 2022, 12:41:26 PM
We’re gonna highlight the Carol of the Bells, but not the fact that this includes part of One Last Time shortly before?

Meh...I don't think it's OLT, although the chord progression on one pass sounds similar.
Yeah, it's not OLT.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Bluefish on September 23, 2022, 05:33:16 PM
Just got the Images and Words Demos. And the content is the Live in Berlin cd. What? Anyone else have this issue?

Same here.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Bluefish on October 03, 2022, 09:24:04 AM
I just received a replacement for the defective Images and Words demos CDs.  The replacement is also defective.  Has anyone received a good copy?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Bentower on October 04, 2022, 02:56:21 AM
I just received a replacement for the defective Images and Words demos CDs.  The replacement is also defective.  Has anyone received a good copy?

That's insane. You'd think InsideOut would have this sort of thing under control.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on October 04, 2022, 08:54:08 AM
I just received a replacement for the defective Images and Words demos CDs.  The replacement is also defective.  Has anyone received a good copy?

You got a replacement from Inside Out already? Feels like they just asked for people's info a couple of weeks ago, and you'd think it would take some time for them to get new pressings from the factory.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Bluefish on October 06, 2022, 02:13:57 PM
No.  I bought it from amazon and I just received a third defective copy today.  I'm going to return it ask for a refund.  I'm not ordering another replacement until they sort this out
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on October 06, 2022, 02:47:49 PM
No.  I bought it from amazon and I just received a third defective copy today.  I'm going to return it ask for a refund.  I'm not ordering another replacement until they sort this out

Not sure if you saw it, but all copies of the album from the initial pressing are defective. Dream Theater's social media accounts sent out a letter a couple weeks ago saying they were aware of it and were asking people for information to receive properly pressed discs directly from them. I'm pretty sure it was mentioned further up thread.

We are aware of a manufacturing error that includes the wrong audio files for the Dream Theater album Lost Not Forgotten Archives: Images and Words Demos (1989-1991). We are working on correcting this issue and want to be sure anyone who has purchased the CD in the United States receives a new copy with the proper album. Please email (dreamtheaterlnfa@gmail.com) with your name, order confirmation and shipping information and a new copy will be sent to you ASAP.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Bluefish on October 06, 2022, 08:45:01 PM
No.  I bought it from amazon and I just received a third defective copy today.  I'm going to return it ask for a refund.  I'm not ordering another replacement until they sort this out

Not sure if you saw it, but all copies of the album from the initial pressing are defective. Dream Theater's social media accounts sent out a letter a couple weeks ago saying they were aware of it and were asking people for information to receive properly pressed discs directly from them. I'm pretty sure it was mentioned further up thread.

We are aware of a manufacturing error that includes the wrong audio files for the Dream Theater album Lost Not Forgotten Archives: Images and Words Demos (1989-1991). We are working on correcting this issue and want to be sure anyone who has purchased the CD in the United States receives a new copy with the proper album. Please email (dreamtheaterlnfa@gmail.com) with your name, order confirmation and shipping information and a new copy will be sent to you ASAP.

-Marc.

Thanks Marc.  I must have missed it.  I'll check it out.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: javidt on October 09, 2022, 01:04:20 PM
I've a question about the original Ytse Jam bootlegs. A couple of years ago I bought the SFAM bootleg on eBay and I've always had the doubt whether it was a counterfeit or not.

(https://i.imgupx.com/yOpVFjwx/large/IMG_20221009_205532.jpg) (https://imgupx.com/bTutknCG)

I think that the green colour is too light but I don't know if it's because it's s repress or a counterfeit.

Maybe somebody could help me  :angel:
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on October 09, 2022, 04:15:33 PM
I've a question about the original Ytse Jam bootlegs. A couple of years ago I bought the SFAM bootleg on eBay and I've always had the doubt whether it was a counterfeit or not.

(https://i.imgupx.com/yOpVFjwx/large/IMG_20221009_205532.jpg) (https://imgupx.com/bTutknCG)

I think that the green colour is too light but I don't know if it's because it's s repress or a counterfeit.

Maybe somebody could help me  :angel:
Mmm... I think it's too light too... Check this Discogs photo:
https://www.discogs.com/es/release/2906432-Dream-Theater-Official-Bootleg-The-Making-Of-Scenes-From-A-Memory/image/SW1hZ2U6Mjc3MTk3MDU=
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on October 10, 2022, 08:47:26 AM
You should also be able to tell by the Matrix/Runout codes.  What does the CD say?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on October 10, 2022, 09:04:36 AM
You should also be able to tell by the Matrix/Runout codes.  What does the CD say?

The what?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on October 10, 2022, 09:16:52 AM
You should also be able to tell by the Matrix/Runout codes.  What does the CD say?

The what?

Flip the CD over and look at the little letters and numbers on the band of the CD. Those are called the "Matrix/Runout codes" (well, generally; some of them are also called Mastering SID codes and Mould SID codes, but still).   Take a picture of the little letters and numbers and we can probably tell if it's a counterfeit or not.

This (or something close to it) is what it says on mine:  25 YJAM Y003-2.1 01 MUSIC CONNECTION M0S1 Z17992
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: javidt on October 10, 2022, 10:10:04 AM
(https://i.imgupx.com/cZkBkJnW/large/IMG_20221010_180538.jpg) (https://imgupx.com/cWKbreny)

Thanks!

The discogs image seems a bootleg because the "official bootleg" doesn't fit the CD.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on October 10, 2022, 10:22:02 AM
https://www.discogs.com/release/14526523-Dream-Theater-Official-Bootleg-The-Making-Of-Scenes-From-A-Memory
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: javidt on October 10, 2022, 10:42:26 AM
https://www.discogs.com/release/14526523-Dream-Theater-Official-Bootleg-The-Making-Of-Scenes-From-A-Memory

It has the same Matrix code but different design on the front. Very strange. I didn't know that the YtseJam bootlegs were so diverse  :eek
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: goo-goo on October 10, 2022, 03:44:13 PM
Just got the shipping confirmation from the Made in Japan vinyl (from LaserCD). Hoping to get it later in the week.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on October 12, 2022, 11:11:18 AM
Max posted in this thread (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57046.msg2926854#new) about December's LNFA release:

The next two archival DT releases are: Old Bridge, New Jersey (1996)  on November 11th and  Live at Wacken (2015)  on December 9th.

Looks like the show is uploaded onto YouTube after a Google search. Here's the setlist if anyone is curious:

False Awakening Suite (Intro Tape)
Afterlife
Metropolis Pt. 1: The Miracle and the Sleeper
Burning My Soul
The Spirit Carries On
As I Am
Panic Attack
Constant Motion
Bridges In The Sky
Behind The Veil

It'll be roughly 71 minutes if this YouTube video (https://youtu.be/B0fPY9PPB2E) is anything to go by.

Happy to see another "new" release not originally a Ytse Jam Records album!

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on October 12, 2022, 11:13:13 AM
Max posted in this thread (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57046.msg2926854#new) about December's LNFA release:

The next two archival DT releases are: Old Bridge, New Jersey (1996)  on November 11th and  Live at Wacken (2015)  on December 9th.

Looks like the show is uploaded onto YouTube after a Google search. Here's the setlist if anyone is curious:

False Awakening Suite (Intro Tape)
Afterlife
Metropolis Pt. 1: The Miracle and the Sleeper
Burning My Soul
The Spirit Carries On
As I Am
Panic Attack
Constant Motion
Bridges In The Sky
Behind The Veil

It'll be roughly 71 minutes if this YouTube video (https://youtu.be/B0fPY9PPB2E) is anything to go by.

Happy to see another "new" release not originally a Ytse Jam Records album!

-Marc.


Awesome.!!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on October 12, 2022, 11:23:55 AM
So I just watched a bit of that concert and I'm inclined to agree with some of the YouTube comments about James' voice. Then again, I don't listen to Live DT very much anymore anyways, so I'll probably get the Wacken show just for completions' sake.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on October 12, 2022, 01:45:17 PM
Hell yeah! Mangini era Constant Motion and Burning My Soul!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on October 12, 2022, 01:55:13 PM
Nice :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: javidt on October 12, 2022, 03:42:49 PM
Glad to see a show from the "30th anniversary tour" released:

My only "complain" is that it's a short set. I wish it were something like this:

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2015/spodek-katowice-poland-33c95cc5.html
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on October 12, 2022, 03:48:57 PM
Glad to see a show from the "30th anniversary tour" released:

My only "complain" is that it's a short set. I wish it were something like this:

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2015/spodek-katowice-poland-33c95cc5.html

Oh dang, I forgot they did Wither, which is one of my least favorite DT songs, but I'm always willing to give it another chance and an official bootleg would be the perfect way to do so.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Deadeye21 on October 12, 2022, 09:19:05 PM
Oh crap, Wacken. They really thought putting that out was a good idea?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on October 13, 2022, 07:29:02 AM
Oh crap, Wacken. They really thought putting that out was a good idea?
I have a feeling they'll probably do some post-production for JL's vocals, whether re-recording them or fly them in from another (better) performance on the same tour. I doubt JL would agree to release that recording as is even though it's already in circulation.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: devieira73 on October 13, 2022, 12:49:08 PM
Glad to see a show from the "30th anniversary tour" released:

My only "complain" is that it's a short set. I wish it were something like this:

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2015/spodek-katowice-poland-33c95cc5.html

Release the rest of the songs as bonus tracks, please!! (and finally also a Blu-Ray release, if we can dream...)
Since they were playing with a click, surely they can mix some JLB better performances of other shows on it.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on October 14, 2022, 01:25:47 PM
Why Behind The Veil doesn't appear in the tracklist of the vinyl and CDs???
https://centurymedia.store/product/Y4CE701COMBO/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-live-at-wacken-2015-3cd-digipack-digital-download?cp=102832_103046_104294

Also, there's again this 3CDs mistake...
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on October 14, 2022, 04:28:40 PM
Why Behind The Veil doesn't appear in the tracklist of the vinyl and CDs???
https://centurymedia.store/product/Y4CE701COMBO/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-live-at-wacken-2015-3cd-digipack-digital-download?cp=102832_103046_104294

Also, there's again this 3CDs mistake...

Hope it's a mistake, because that's the one I'm looking forward to the most. It's the only song from that show that doesn't have an official live version yet.

Amazon doesn't have BTV listed either :tdwn
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: devieira73 on October 14, 2022, 05:49:20 PM
Also, why 2 CDs? The complete Wacken show fits in one CD:
https://youtu.be/B0fPY9PPB2E
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: javidt on October 15, 2022, 01:56:41 AM
Also, why 2 CDs? The complete Wacken show fits in one CD:
https://youtu.be/B0fPY9PPB2E

Maybe it's live in Berlin again...

I don't understand how can Inside Out is messing things up with these releases.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on October 15, 2022, 08:36:36 AM
Amazon has it listed as 1 CD. The fact that they're apparently cutting Behind the Veil (presumably they couldn't fit it on the vinyl?) is frustrating, especially since it's a song that hasn't been released live before. Why release a full show minus one song at all? *looks at the Live at Budokan 2017 releases*

Maybe we'll get an "Encores" disc with the songs they've cut from these releases.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on October 15, 2022, 09:04:06 AM
Amazon has it listed as 1 CD. The fact that they're apparently cutting Behind the Veil (presumably they couldn't fit it on the vinyl?) is frustrating, especially since it's a song that hasn't been released live before. Why release a full show minus one song at all? *looks at the Live at Budokan 2017 releases*

Fuck it then. If it’s missing a song, I’m not getting it.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on October 15, 2022, 02:36:17 PM
Amazon has it listed as 1 CD. The fact that they're apparently cutting Behind the Veil (presumably they couldn't fit it on the vinyl?) is frustrating, especially since it's a song that hasn't been released live before. Why release a full show minus one song at all? *looks at the Live at Budokan 2017 releases*

Fuck it then. If it’s missing a song, I’m not getting it.

I am. I don't blame you for not though. Pretty lame of them to not even not go the extra mile, but in realty, just stop short of going one mile at all.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on October 15, 2022, 06:49:56 PM
Amazon has it listed as 1 CD. The fact that they're apparently cutting Behind the Veil (presumably they couldn't fit it on the vinyl?) is frustrating, especially since it's a song that hasn't been released live before. Why release a full show minus one song at all? *looks at the Live at Budokan 2017 releases*
Fuck it then. If it’s missing a song, I’m not getting it.
I am. I don't blame you for not though. Pretty lame of them to not even not go the extra mile, but in realty, just stop short of going one mile at all.
My gut feeling is that the posted tracklisting is simply missing it. If you watch the broadcast, they go right from BitS to BtV:
https://youtu.be/B0fPY9PPB2E?t=3851

So either they'd have to fade out the end of BitS or edit the ending some other way. And given that BtV hasn't been played much, I can't imagine them not including it. Plus, the whole thing - including BtV - is less than 72 minutes, so it easily will all fit on one CD.

My biggest disappointment is what someone else posted: that they didn't pick one of the shows where the full length set was played, especially given that the Wacken broadcast is widely in circulation already and it's well established that it isn't one of JL's better performances. I get that they may want to keep it to a single CD, but given how cheap manufacturing CDs is these days, they should just go for a full show. Even with vinyl, I'm sure it will still be a double LP, and I'd imagine they could still squeeze a full show onto a double LP set still.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on October 15, 2022, 06:53:11 PM

My gut feeling is that the posted tracklisting is simply missing it. If you watch the broadcast, they go right from BitS to BtV:
https://youtu.be/B0fPY9PPB2E?t=3851

So either they'd have to fade out the end of BitS or edit the ending some other way. And given that BtV hasn't been played much, I can't imagine them not including it. Plus, the whole thing - including BtV - is less than 72 minutes, so it easily will all fit on one CD.

My biggest disappointment is what someone else posted: that they didn't pick one of the shows where the full length set was played, especially given that the Wacken broadcast is widely in circulation already and it's well established that it isn't one of JL's better performances. I get that they may want to keep it to a single CD, but given how cheap manufacturing CDs is these days, they should just go for a full show. Even with vinyl, I'm sure it will still be a double LP, and I'd imagine they could still squeeze a full show onto a double LP set still.

I kind of think the tracklist is simply missing BTV too. If it's in there, I'll definitely get it.

But yeah, the fact that it's been on youtube the whole time makes it a curious choice for a release.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on October 15, 2022, 08:50:46 PM
Would be a huge bummer if they're missing THAT one song, yet we get another live version of TSCO, AIA and Metropolis from the current lineup. And I still haven't recovered from them omitting ACOS from not one, but TWO releases from the Budokan show in 2017 :lol
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on October 16, 2022, 09:13:12 PM
Burning Shed has both the CD and Vinyl tracklists and there's no BTV in either of them :tdwn

https://burningshed.com/dream-theater_live-at-wacken_double-vinyl_cd?filter_name=dream%20theater&filter_sub_category=true
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 17, 2022, 02:16:14 AM
I was watching the Wacken broadcast and JLB ends up ending the lyrics to Constant Motion early, and goes for the big ending, yet comes back in and does it again. I wonder if they'll fix that or leave it in. And also that weird vocal effect at the end of Panic Attack.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Hypnotherapist on October 17, 2022, 07:42:24 AM
Really, Inside Out can't correctly specify what it releases itself.
They inform that they will be 2 CDs and 2 LPs in the product description and in the title they inform 2LP + CD (... and they didn't publish the tracklist):
https://www.insideoutshop.de/products/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-live-at-wacken-2015gatefold-black-2lp-cd?_pos=2&_sid=fdb002017&_ss=r (https://www.insideoutshop.de/products/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-live-at-wacken-2015gatefold-black-2lp-cd?_pos=2&_sid=fdb002017&_ss=r)
https://www.insideoutshop.de/products/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-live-at-wacken-2015special-edition-cd-digipak?_pos=2&_sid=b856939d3&_ss=r (https://www.insideoutshop.de/products/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-live-at-wacken-2015special-edition-cd-digipak?_pos=2&_sid=b856939d3&_ss=r)
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 17, 2022, 08:31:55 AM
I don't care about the Wacken show.

But hey, the Made In Japan set that dropped Friday was FIRE.  I haven't listened to it in years, and Deep Purple isn't usually my thing, but that set rocked pretty hard.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Lonk on October 17, 2022, 08:45:50 AM
It'll be roughly 71 minutes if this YouTube video (https://youtu.be/B0fPY9PPB2E) is anything to go by.

-Marc.
44:44 WTF?  :rollin :rollin

https://youtu.be/B0fPY9PPB2E?t=2684
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on October 17, 2022, 09:22:41 AM

But hey, the Made In Japan set that dropped Friday was FIRE.  I haven't listened to it in years, and Deep Purple isn't usually my thing, but that set rocked pretty hard.

Definitely. That is easily my favorite of the 4 cover albums.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on October 17, 2022, 11:14:29 AM
I don't care about the Wacken show.

But hey, the Made In Japan set that dropped Friday was FIRE.  I haven't listened to it in years, and Deep Purple isn't usually my thing, but that set rocked pretty hard.

I AM a pretty big Deep Purple fan and it's the bomb-diddley for sure.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on October 17, 2022, 07:13:32 PM
I'm a huge Deep Purple fan and the album is...fine.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Bluefish on October 18, 2022, 11:35:28 AM
Maybe we'll get an "Encores" disc with the songs they've cut from these releases.

That would be nice.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Bluefish on October 18, 2022, 11:37:04 AM
I'm a huge Deep Purple fan and the album is...fine.

Same.  Blackmore inspired me to learn guitar when I heard the solo for Gates of Babylon by Rainbow.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: goo-goo on October 18, 2022, 11:48:58 AM
Loving JP's guitar tone on this release, how it resonates, how it sounds, how it was mixed...Did he do something different in this show?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Bluefish on November 06, 2022, 02:06:28 PM
Is there any update on the Images and Words demos?  Has anyone received CDs with the correct music on them?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on November 09, 2022, 01:07:46 PM
Next release!

Live at Madison Square Garden 2010
https://www.blackvinylrecordsspain.com/products/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-live-at-madison-square-garden-2lps-cd
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on November 09, 2022, 01:10:56 PM
Next release!

Live at Madison Square Garden 2010
https://www.blackvinylrecordsspain.com/products/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-live-at-madison-square-garden-2lps-cd

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2010/madison-square-garden-new-york-ny-63d472a3.html

Quote
 
As I Am
A Rite of Passage
Act II: Scene Six: Home
Constant Motion
Panic Attack
Pull Me Under

Six songs for a double vinyl? Were there any extended jams in this set?

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on November 09, 2022, 01:43:30 PM
I'd much rather an actual BC&SL show. At least we're getting something old/new.
Not my favorite set of songs, but this setlist was masterfully crafted for the Iron Maiden tour. Each song's tempo was increased from the previous one, until you get to Pull Me Under.

The bootleg to this show is cool in that you can hear the crowd getting more into it as the set progressed.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 09, 2022, 06:01:01 PM
Heh, Constant Motion two bootlegs in a row? I'm in!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: devieira73 on November 09, 2022, 06:41:56 PM
I'll buy this, since I'm a super DT fan and a collector. No doubt, it should be an interesting performance. But, really, why release this show as the first from the Black Clouds tour?!  ::)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on November 09, 2022, 08:47:24 PM
I'm hoping for Summer Sonic Tokyo 2010 at some point (MP's last performance in the band).
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 10, 2022, 07:51:32 AM
I will certainly listen when it hits Spotify, but no way would I buy this.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: axeman90210 on November 10, 2022, 07:58:21 AM
I might purchase digitally, but I don't think it's worth paying for vinyl.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on November 10, 2022, 08:08:15 AM
Is it just me, or do they need to slow their roll on the ANNOUNCEMENTS.  I saw the 2010 release (I'm only getting the ones that weren't Ytejam releases) and thought "wait, I think I missed one..." and I did, the Wacken 2015 one.  But that's not released until DECEMBER!  I'm old; I can't remember all this shit!  :)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Lonk on November 10, 2022, 08:11:42 AM
Ah, the show I had tickets for and never made it. Should be a fun listen.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on November 10, 2022, 09:11:26 AM
Is it just me, or do they need to slow their roll on the ANNOUNCEMENTS.  I saw the 2010 release (I'm only getting the ones that weren't Ytejam releases) and thought "wait, I think I missed one..." and I did, the Wacken 2015 one.  But that's not released until DECEMBER!  I'm old; I can't remember all this shit!  :)

They announce every new one two months before release, so they can sort out all the logistics. With one coming every month, that's a lot of "hey, we're now releasing this" for sure :lol

I know this won't ever happen, but I kinda selfishly wish they either released them faster or at least gave us a heads up of all the new stuff coming out in the year or whatever. Why? Because since this started, I've been patiently waiting for the Bucharest and Santiago shows, and there's still no luck with that :P
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Bluefish on November 10, 2022, 03:50:46 PM
Next release!

Live at Madison Square Garden 2010
https://www.blackvinylrecordsspain.com/products/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-live-at-madison-square-garden-2lps-cd

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2010/madison-square-garden-new-york-ny-63d472a3.html

Quote
 
As I Am
A Rite of Passage
Act II: Scene Six: Home
Constant Motion
Panic Attack
Pull Me Under

Six songs for a double vinyl? Were there any extended jams in this set?

-Marc.

I was there.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on November 10, 2022, 04:58:54 PM
Next release!

Live at Madison Square Garden 2010
https://www.blackvinylrecordsspain.com/products/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-live-at-madison-square-garden-2lps-cd

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2010/madison-square-garden-new-york-ny-63d472a3.html

Quote
 
As I Am
A Rite of Passage
Act II: Scene Six: Home
Constant Motion
Panic Attack
Pull Me Under

Six songs for a double vinyl? Were there any extended jams in this set?

-Marc.

This was when they opened for Iron Maiden, so there's nothing extended, and it was only about a 50-60 minute set.  If you add up the lengths of the album tracks it comes in somewhere just under 55 minutes.

Also, what is the site to review this catalog for folks in the U.S. who just want CDs?  When you click through from DT.net, it takes you to a link for a bunch of streaming services, a site that wants me to pay in Euro, and one place where you can buy vinyl/CD combo sets, but I can't find a link for just CDs.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on November 10, 2022, 05:09:19 PM
Also, what is the site to review this catalog for folks in the U.S. who just want CDs?  When you click through from DT.net, it takes you to a link for a bunch of streaming services, a site that wants me to pay in Euro, and one place where you can buy vinyl/CD combo sets, but I can't find a link for just CDs.
Doesn't look like they have it up for pre-sale yet, but I *highly* recommend going with lasercd.com - they are an excellent alternative to Amazon and specialize in all sorts of prog rock/metal and other stuff, on CD, vinyl and special packages. IIRC, they can ship out at media rate to minimize the shipping costs. Never had a problem with them.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on November 11, 2022, 09:44:44 AM
Two new ones back to back! Nice!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on November 11, 2022, 10:25:38 AM
Also, what is the site to review this catalog for folks in the U.S. who just want CDs?  When you click through from DT.net, it takes you to a link for a bunch of streaming services, a site that wants me to pay in Euro, and one place where you can buy vinyl/CD combo sets, but I can't find a link for just CDs.
Doesn't look like they have it up for pre-sale yet, but I *highly* recommend going with lasercd.com - they are an excellent alternative to Amazon and specialize in all sorts of prog rock/metal and other stuff, on CD, vinyl and special packages. IIRC, they can ship out at media rate to minimize the shipping costs. Never had a problem with them.

Thanks!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: goo-goo on November 11, 2022, 11:57:38 AM
Can't go wrong with Ken at LaserCD.com. Been buying from him for many years and I've had no single issue at all.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on November 11, 2022, 08:25:44 PM
I was so excited when I saw DT was touring with IM, as my fandom for both was really high at that time. Then I saw DT play a full one-off show in PDX the night before, which was amazing, but left their set the next time a bit of a lead balloon.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: jimgolf on November 12, 2022, 06:11:07 PM
Definitely would really like to hear one of the full shows from the black clouds tour(especially the recorded summer sonic last show with portnoy) but I’m happy we are at least getting something from the very limited black clouds tour. Most of the performances on that tour were excellent and James sounded fantastic.

Side Note: I’ve been listening to the Old Bridge live show which was just released on streaming services and I got a laugh at the part in the The Mirror where Portnoy screams hypocrite and James just starts cracking up.

Second Side Note: I finished the Old Bridge snow and man, it’s a great show! James sounds great, and the early versions of the Falling into Infinity songs come across great live. If anyone hasn’t heard it, check it out  :metal
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: don_waka on November 14, 2022, 07:43:25 AM
I've just finished listening to the LNF released on Thursday (Old Bridge, New Jersey 96), last week. It is the same they released back in 2006 as an official bootleg, right? Just checking if I've gone crazy or something...
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 14, 2022, 08:04:05 AM
I've just finished listening to the LNF released on Thursday (Old Bridge, New Jersey 96), last week. It is the same they released back in 2006 as an official bootleg, right? Just checking if I've gone crazy or something...
Yes, it's the same.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on November 14, 2022, 12:28:18 PM
Definitely would really like to hear one of the full shows from the black clouds tour(especially the recorded summer sonic last show with portnoy) but I’m happy we are at least getting something from the very limited black clouds tour. Most of the performances on that tour were excellent and James sounded fantastic.

Side Note: I’ve been listening to the Old Bridge live show which was just released on streaming services and I got a laugh at the part in the The Mirror where Portnoy screams hypocrite and James just starts cracking up.

Second Side Note: I finished the Old Bridge snow and man, it’s a great show! James sounds great, and the early versions of the Falling into Infinity songs come across great live. If anyone hasn’t heard it, check it out  :metal


That really is a great show.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Paddies on November 14, 2022, 12:49:22 PM
I'm quite liking the Live In Berlin 2019 release. The sound mix for example and also JL's performance (apart from a few moments). One of the better recent live releases of modern DT I've heard in a while, I'd say. Would you agree? What other live releases of recent shows that are publicly accessible (for example on Spotify) would you recommend?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: a51502112 on November 15, 2022, 05:43:52 AM
Definitely would really like to hear one of the full shows from the black clouds tour(especially the recorded summer sonic last show with portnoy) but I’m happy we are at least getting something from the very limited black clouds tour. Most of the performances on that tour were excellent and James sounded fantastic.

Side Note: I’ve been listening to the Old Bridge live show which was just released on streaming services and I got a laugh at the part in the The Mirror where Portnoy screams hypocrite and James just starts cracking up.

Second Side Note: I finished the Old Bridge snow and man, it’s a great show! James sounds great, and the early versions of the Falling into Infinity songs come across great live. If anyone hasn’t heard it, check it out  :metal


That really is a great show.

I LOLed hard at hearing Portnoys "HIPPOCRITE" on The Mirror @ 2:27
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: don_waka on November 15, 2022, 05:46:02 AM
I've just finished listening to the LNF released on Thursday (Old Bridge, New Jersey 96), last week. It is the same they released back in 2006 as an official bootleg, right? Just checking if I've gone crazy or something...
Yes, it's the same.


Cool, thanks. May I ask what is LaBrie laughing at so much throughout the show? It’s contagious  :lol
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: a51502112 on November 15, 2022, 06:05:33 AM
I've just finished listening to the LNF released on Thursday (Old Bridge, New Jersey 96), last week. It is the same they released back in 2006 as an official bootleg, right? Just checking if I've gone crazy or something...
Yes, it's the same.


Cool, thanks. May I ask what is LaBrie laughing out so much throughout the show? Portnoy antics?

They seem to be playing pretty fast and loose throughout the show. Improvising some parts/fills, even JP plays a few sour notes.  :o
It sounds like they're having a fun time.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 15, 2022, 06:42:05 AM
I've just finished listening to the LNF released on Thursday (Old Bridge, New Jersey 96), last week. It is the same they released back in 2006 as an official bootleg, right? Just checking if I've gone crazy or something...
Yes, it's the same.


Cool, thanks. May I ask what is LaBrie laughing at so much throughout the show? It’s contagious  :lol
Portnoy
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: 425 on November 16, 2022, 03:34:43 PM
Mike Portnoy just commented on Inside Out's Facebook post announcing the Madison Square Garden release:

(https://i.imgur.com/JprbGua.jpeg)

"This is the 1st of several upcoming releases that I contributed from my archives "


Sounds really promising! Glad to hear Mike is working with them on this.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on November 16, 2022, 03:58:40 PM
Whoa, that's great news! I guess with John and Mike being so close again that they figured it would be beneficial to offer more "new" material for the fans. Hopefully Mike is properly compensated foe these new releases! I'm excited at the prospect of MORE, so maybe we will finally get shows from other pre-2010 tours that didn't get any releases yet.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on November 16, 2022, 08:39:34 PM
I'm sure we'll get all the other titles he intended to release before the split happened. He talked about a Rush covers compilation, making of SDOIT, one of the last shows with Derek in 98 and BC&SL live stuff.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 17, 2022, 01:11:13 AM
I'm sure we'll get all the other titles he intended to release before the split happened. He talked about a Rush covers compilation, making of SDOIT, one of the last shows with Derek in 98 and BC&SL live stuff.

It would be awesome to have a live release of Where Are You Now? finally.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Deadeye21 on November 17, 2022, 06:02:23 AM
I'm sure we'll get all the other titles he intended to release before the split happened. He talked about a Rush covers compilation, making of SDOIT, one of the last shows with Derek in 98 and BC&SL live stuff.

It would be awesome to have a live release of Where Are You Now? finally.

I’d love to have a compilation of all those b-side tracks done live. Even if that means one of James’ struggling performances of Don’t Look Past Me from 2017
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on November 17, 2022, 06:58:52 AM
Mike Portnoy just commented on Inside Out's Facebook post announcing the Madison Square Garden release:

(https://i.imgur.com/JprbGua.jpeg)

"This is the 1st of several upcoming releases that I contributed from my archives "


Sounds really promising! Glad to hear Mike is working with them on this.

I don't really go in for the touchy-feely stuff around bands; I don't care if the bands I like are best friends or hate each other, as long as the chemistry makes music I like.  Having said that, I do feel warmed by this. Maybe I'm just getting old and sentimental. :)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on November 17, 2022, 07:02:10 AM
I'm definitely getting this even though I'm not a huge fan of the setlist, but I'm warmed to know more stuff is coming!!!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 17, 2022, 07:20:22 AM
Wow, that's great that he is now open to doing this!  Looking forward to some more interesting releases!

*Holding out for an official release of the "Canadian Rap" show*
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on November 17, 2022, 07:26:32 AM
Wow, that's great that he is now open to doing this!  Looking forward to some more interesting releases!

*Holding out for an official release of the "Canadian Rap" show*

“Give it to my…wife!”

*or something like that. I don’t think I’ve heard in 15+ years.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 17, 2022, 07:27:50 AM
Wow, that's great that he is now open to doing this!  Looking forward to some more interesting releases!

*Holding out for an official release of the "Canadian Rap" show*

“Give it to my…wife!”

*or something like that. I don’t think I’ve heard in 15+ years.
Yeah, that line is in there

lol
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on November 17, 2022, 08:03:49 AM
I'm sure we'll get all the other titles he intended to release before the split happened. He talked about a Rush covers compilation, making of SDOIT, one of the last shows with Derek in 98 and BC&SL live stuff.

It would be awesome to have a live release of Where Are You Now? finally.

I’d love to have a compilation of all those b-side tracks done live. Even if that means one of James’ struggling performances of Don’t Look Past Me from 2017

I had posted Mike's original comment here a while back, but I'm reposting it because it's much more relevant now:

Quote
The next batch I was going to work on if things didn't go the way they went was:
--- a compilation of all the Rush Covers (Covers Series)
--- "The Making of SDOIT" (Studio Series)
--- Poughkeepsie, NY '98 (Xmas Unplugged Show - Derek's last show) (Live Series)
and DVD:
--- Several "Pro-shot" BC&SL shows (including Download '09 and the very final show in Tokyo)

That last show with Derek had Speak To Me, Where Are You Now?, Cover My Eyes, and The Way It Used To Be (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/1998/the-chance-poughkeepsie-ny-33d6cc61.html) :tup

As for DLPM, I'm hoping it appears on some sort of live compilation of tracks played between 2015-2017. ACOS and BTV are already missing from existing releases + there's a few others they haven't included yet, like Wither and About To Crash, for example.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: axeman90210 on November 17, 2022, 08:23:55 AM
I will forever hope for an official live release of the NYC show from the Train of Thought tour. Aside from being my first DT show/first proper concert, the setlist is kind of bonkers

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2004/the-theater-at-madison-square-garden-new-york-ny-7bd6d234.html
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 17, 2022, 08:27:57 AM
I will forever hope for an official live release of the NYC show from the Train of Thought tour. Aside from being my first DT show/first proper concert, the setlist is kind of bonkers

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2004/the-theater-at-madison-square-garden-new-york-ny-7bd6d234.html
Yeah, that would be sweet.  I have a boot of that somewhere, but an official release would be fantastic.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on November 17, 2022, 11:47:01 AM
I had posted Mike's original comment here a while back, but I'm reposting it because it's much more relevant now:

Quote
The next batch I was going to work on if things didn't go the way they went was:
--- a compilation of all the Rush Covers (Covers Series)
--- "The Making of SDOIT" (Studio Series)
--- Poughkeepsie, NY '98 (Xmas Unplugged Show - Derek's last show) (Live Series)
and DVD:
--- Several "Pro-shot" BC&SL shows (including Download '09 and the very final show in Tokyo)

Rush covers would be cool.  Making of SDOIT would be awesome (assuming it's of similar quality as the making of SFAM).  Looking at the 11/30/98 Poughkeepsie set list and, aside from the Rush covers (which I assume would be part of the Rush covers release), the Who cover (which I believe is on Uncovered, which I have), one of the Zeppelin songs (which...big deal) and Perfect Strangers (which I assume is about the same as on ACOS), that's just a horrible set list.  Lifting Shadows, TSM, Hell's Kitchen and Hollow Years are all good, but just about everything else...bleh.  The 6-song MSG show is also of little interest to me.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on November 17, 2022, 12:05:48 PM
Those Christmas '98 shows are awesome. Paul, I wouldn't hold the setlist against them. The shows are really cool.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on November 17, 2022, 12:28:25 PM
Those Christmas '98 shows are awesome. Paul, I wouldn't hold the setlist against them. The shows are really cool.

I mean...I'm sure I'd have loved it if I were there, but I have zero interest in hearing them in retrospect (outside of the songs I mentioned).
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on November 17, 2022, 12:35:35 PM
Those Christmas '98 shows are awesome. Paul, I wouldn't hold the setlist against them. The shows are really cool.

I mean...I'm sure I'd have loved it if I were there, but I have zero interest in hearing them in retrospect (outside of the songs I mentioned).

That's cool. The FII tour cycle is by far my least favorite and I never listen to those shows, but I do listen to the Christmas shows.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TheSoylentMan on November 17, 2022, 12:46:39 PM
Really glad to hear Mike is contributing to these again. Now if they'd include his liner notes in the reissues...
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Bluefish on November 17, 2022, 07:50:04 PM
Mike Portnoy just commented on Inside Out's Facebook post announcing the Madison Square Garden release:

(https://i.imgur.com/JprbGua.jpeg)

"This is the 1st of several upcoming releases that I contributed from my archives "


Sounds really promising! Glad to hear Mike is working with them on this.

That's great!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Bluefish on November 17, 2022, 07:54:34 PM
Has anyone received a working copy of the Images and Words Demos CD?  If so, where did you order it from?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on November 17, 2022, 09:00:04 PM
I mean...I'm sure I'd have loved it if I were there, but I have zero interest in hearing them in retrospect (outside of the songs I mentioned).

Just looked up the setlist. Yeah I have no interest in this at all, outside of maybe a curiosity listen. I have no idea how I would have felt attending one of these shows. I imagine there would have been a bit of "eh... what's all this? I came to hear DT play songs by, you know... DT..."
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on November 18, 2022, 07:06:01 AM
Well those were the “Intimate Evening with…” shows. They were semi-acoustic and billed as something different than a normal show. I would love to get one of those on a release. I had some decent bootlegs back in the day.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: don_waka on November 18, 2022, 08:04:36 AM
Mike Portnoy just commented on Inside Out's Facebook post announcing the Madison Square Garden release:

(https://i.imgur.com/JprbGua.jpeg)

"This is the 1st of several upcoming releases that I contributed from my archives "


Sounds really promising! Glad to hear Mike is working with them on this.

Sweet. Is this the setlist for that night?

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2010/madison-square-garden-new-york-ny-63d472a3.html
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Mladen on November 18, 2022, 08:12:21 AM
That will be a damn good bootleg. LaBrie was on fire that night, from what I can gather from videos.  :metal
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on November 18, 2022, 09:24:47 AM
Sweet. Is this the setlist for that night?

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2010/madison-square-garden-new-york-ny-63d472a3.html

Yup.  I mentioned earlier this week that this was when they were opening for Iron Maiden - hence the extremely short set.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: jimgolf on November 18, 2022, 02:14:41 PM
Awesome to hear Portnoy is working with the guys to help get some new stuff out. I’ve heard some of the ytsejam releases before, but there’s still a bit I haven’t heard which is exciting!(plus it’s cool to hear the guys are on pretty good terms now :smiley:)

Keep them coming  :metal
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: countoftuscany42 on November 18, 2022, 04:06:23 PM
Has anyone received a working copy of the Images and Words Demos CD?  If so, where did you order it from?

the color vinyl from LaserCD came with the correct CDs
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Bluefish on November 26, 2022, 10:47:22 AM
Has anyone received a working copy of the Images and Words Demos CD?  If so, where did you order it from?

the color vinyl from LaserCD came with the correct CDs

That's interesting.  I would have thought the CDs included with the vinyls would have been printed in the same place as the stand alone CDs.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on November 26, 2022, 08:34:35 PM
Just saw someone's post on FB about having the 2013 live compilation on vinyl and that there's a miss-pressing on that one, too. IIRC, he said that side "C" has the same songs as on side "E". Pretty sad how Inside Out has botched some of these releases.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Lethean on November 27, 2022, 11:20:18 AM
Apologies if this has been covered in the earlier pages.  Century Media has this listing which is advertised as 2 cds:

https://centurymedia.store/product/Y4CE549COMBO/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-live-in-new-york-1995-digipack-2xcd-digital-download?cp=102832_103046_104294 (https://centurymedia.store/product/Y4CE549COMBO/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-live-in-new-york-1995-digipack-2xcd-digital-download?cp=102832_103046_104294)

But then when you read the description, it mentions "available for the first time on vinyl."

So... Is it just a bad description and I'll in fact get cds? :)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on November 27, 2022, 11:47:44 AM
Apologies if this has been covered in the earlier pages.  Century Media has this listing which is advertised as 2 cds:

https://centurymedia.store/product/Y4CE549COMBO/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-live-in-new-york-1995-digipack-2xcd-digital-download?cp=102832_103046_104294 (https://centurymedia.store/product/Y4CE549COMBO/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-live-in-new-york-1995-digipack-2xcd-digital-download?cp=102832_103046_104294)

But then when you read the description, it mentions "available for the first time on vinyl."

So... Is it just a bad description and I'll in fact get cds? :)

The description is just the one used for every version of that release. It just means it's never been released on vinyl before. If the product  page says it's for CDs, you'll get the CDs. Also there's NO way you'd get the vinyl for less than $20. Also also the vinyl is a 3LP set, and here it is - https://centurymedia.store/product/Y4CE547COMBO/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-live-in-new-york-1993-ultra-clear-3xlp-2xcd-digital-download?cp=null

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Lethean on November 27, 2022, 11:56:00 AM
Thanks! :) Just wanted to make sure.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: don_waka on November 28, 2022, 06:06:14 PM
I'm sure we'll get all the other titles he intended to release before the split happened. He talked about a Rush covers compilation, making of SDOIT, one of the last shows with Derek in 98 and BC&SL live stuff.

It would be awesome to have a live release of Where Are You Now? finally.

I’d love to have a compilation of all those b-side tracks done live. Even if that means one of James’ struggling performances of Don’t Look Past Me from 2017

I had posted Mike's original comment here a while back, but I'm reposting it because it's much more relevant now:

Quote
The next batch I was going to work on if things didn't go the way they went was:
--- a compilation of all the Rush Covers (Covers Series)
--- "The Making of SDOIT" (Studio Series)
--- Poughkeepsie, NY '98 (Xmas Unplugged Show - Derek's last show) (Live Series)
and DVD:
--- Several "Pro-shot" BC&SL shows (including Download '09 and the very final show in Tokyo)

That last show with Derek had Speak To Me, Where Are You Now?, Cover My Eyes, and The Way It Used To Be (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/1998/the-chance-poughkeepsie-ny-33d6cc61.html) :tup


Looking forward to that Poughkeepsie show!  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on November 28, 2022, 06:31:18 PM
The Poughkeepsie show is indeed awesome!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on November 28, 2022, 08:23:59 PM
That last show with Derek had Speak To Me, Where Are You Now?, Cover My Eyes, and The Way It Used To Be (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/1998/the-chance-poughkeepsie-ny-33d6cc61.html) :tup

If I performed a show with a setlist that included those songs I'd fire a band member too.  :laugh:
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: goo-goo on November 29, 2022, 11:36:37 AM
LaserCD is selling the Corrected Edition of the Images and Words Demos. I guess replacement copies are being shipped.

https://www.lasercd.com/cd/lnf-images-and-words-demos-2cd-corrected-edition
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Bluefish on November 29, 2022, 11:42:17 AM
Awesome!  Thanks.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Weymolith on December 02, 2022, 01:38:24 PM
Just listened to Live From NYC... I see they didn't restore the JLB comments after ACOS on this version either. Never understood why they removed that from the YJR release.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: DTwwbwMP on December 02, 2022, 03:38:10 PM
Just listened to Live From NYC... I see they didn't restore the JLB comments after ACOS on this version either. Never understood why they removed that from the YJR release.

 :tup :justjen
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: EPIC Outro on December 02, 2022, 05:35:40 PM

Comments? I must know!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: sylentman on December 03, 2022, 01:50:57 PM
If i remember correctly, he made some comments after finishing ACOS about them (the band) just busting their @ss for 20 minutes. Don’t remember if he also gave some background about the song…
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Weymolith on December 03, 2022, 05:03:11 PM

Comments? I must know!

Something to the effect of "We just busted our ass up here for 20 minutes.. Let me hear you!!!!"
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: EPIC Outro on December 04, 2022, 04:18:45 AM

I love moments like that! Shame it was cut.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on December 09, 2022, 05:31:40 AM
Distance Over Time demos coming!!!
https://www.levykauppax.fi/artist/dream_theater/lost_not_forgotten_archives_distance_over_time_demos_2018/

That looks VERY interesting!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on December 09, 2022, 06:49:32 AM
Distance Over Time demos coming!!!
https://www.levykauppax.fi/artist/dream_theater/lost_not_forgotten_archives_distance_over_time_demos_2018/

That looks VERY interesting!

Nice! Three new titles in a row :hefdaddy

As for the Wacken show (released today), it sounds quite good! Shame that they didn't include BTV, which was the most important song for me to get a live version of.

It's funny that they didn't fix James' hiccup at the end of CM, but the video is already out there so I guess they couldn't mask it anyway :lol Great release otherwise :tup
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: goo-goo on December 09, 2022, 10:44:10 AM
Any specific reason why BTV was excluded? Was it space? Too bad of a performance?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: AnotherDimension on December 09, 2022, 11:19:36 AM
Yeah. What gives? Why no Behind the Veil?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on December 09, 2022, 11:39:03 AM
Does Wacken TV hold the rights maybe?

This is stupid. Who wants to buy an incomplete performance? There's been no statement?

DT really has their heads in the sand over this stuff, unless of course there's a new guitar, amp, or keyboard product to pimp.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on December 09, 2022, 11:58:44 AM
I thought there was some speculation that it's there but just not in the song list.  That's not the case?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on December 09, 2022, 12:00:27 PM
It's not there on Spotify.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on December 09, 2022, 12:12:38 PM
My pure speculation is that there was no way to fit it onto the vinyl release without adding another record to the package, so they just left it off.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: AnotherDimension on December 09, 2022, 12:14:25 PM
Does anyone have a line to the band or management on this one?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on December 09, 2022, 12:16:01 PM
My pure speculation is that there was no way to fit it onto the vinyl release without adding another record to the package, so they just left it off.

That makes sense. But back in the day some cassettes get delivered incomplete if they couldn't fit a song? Maybe leave it off of the vinyl, but why not include it on the CD?
Not asking you, Kev, just thinking out loud.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on December 09, 2022, 12:19:41 PM
My pure speculation is that there was no way to fit it onto the vinyl release without adding another record to the package, so they just left it off.

That makes sense. But back in the day some cassettes get delivered incomplete if they couldn't fit a song? Maybe leave it off of the vinyl, but why not include it on the CD?
Not asking you, Kev, just thinking out loud.

This.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on December 09, 2022, 12:23:12 PM
Why on earth not cut As I Am if that was the case? Who in the hell needs another live version of that? Why cut the one song with no previous live release?

I find this bullshit and oversight real challenging as a fan.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: goo-goo on December 09, 2022, 12:23:17 PM
This is the setlist from Setlist.fm. It would have made sense to at least including it in streaming services and if it fit on the CD. I understand the vinyl and CD but no excuse for leaving it off streaming.

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2015/hauptstrasse-wacken-germany-6bf66ece.html

Intro Tape: False Awakening Suite
Afterlife
Metropolis Pt. 1: The Miracle and the Sleeper
Burning My Soul
Act II: Scene Eight: The Spirit Carries On
As I Am
Panic Attack
Constant Motion
Bridges in the Sky
Behind the Veil
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on December 09, 2022, 12:31:07 PM
In some ways the DT community is notorious for nitpicking. This is not one of those times. What the hell?

DT: Here's some really cool concerts from the archives for the diehards.

Fans: Hell yeah!

DT: Yeah we're just going to vomit it out and not put a lot of care into it.

Fans: ...fine...
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on December 09, 2022, 12:39:44 PM
Why on earth not cut As I Am if that was the case? Who in the hell needs another live version of that? Why cut the one song with no previous live release?

I find this bullshit and oversight real challenging as a fan.
I'm with you, Tim. The wrong song got cut here. Spirit or As I Am should have been axed. Or (!!!) maybe release one of the longer concerts from 2015 so another vinyl makes sense and we can get ALL the songs played on that tour.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 09, 2022, 01:59:01 PM
My pure speculation is that there was no way to fit it onto the vinyl release without adding another record to the package, so they just left it off.

I could see this.

Is the main selling product of the Lost Not Forgotten Archives the Vinyls? And the streaming releases are based around what songs are available on the Vinyl?

This is one of the only reasons I could think of for why Behind The Veil is not on the streaming sites either.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on December 09, 2022, 02:16:10 PM
Hope they include BTV and ACOS from the Budokan show somewhere else at some point. They left out some of the best/most needed songs, but we have a lot of versions for AIA and TSCO :tdwn :huh:
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Deadeye21 on December 09, 2022, 06:34:14 PM
If they were gonna leave something off, I wish it had been Spirit. That one is the song where James really seems the most burned out vocally on this release in my ear. I’ll be skipping it pretty much every time.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: lucasembarbosa on December 09, 2022, 07:33:49 PM
It's been some time since I listened to the Wacken concert, but I think James' voice is quite better in the LNF release as far as I remember...
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on December 09, 2022, 09:29:18 PM
It's been some time since I listened to the Wacken concert, but I think James' voice is quite better in the LNF release as far as I remember...

He sounds pretty awesome to my ears. Not the top of his game but he compensates for it by a few adjustments and more aggression. Some raspy stuff here and there. Almost remiscent of his Awake style. I really dig this release!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on December 10, 2022, 09:25:12 AM
I am so conflicted about buying this. On one hand, I hate to leave a new live album on the table, but on the other, the needless chopping of the last song really bothers me. I can't spend money on something that would still be incomplete.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on December 10, 2022, 10:24:36 AM
I am so conflicted about buying this. On one hand, I hate to leave a new live album on the table, but on the other, the needless chopping of the last song really bothers me. I can't spend money on something that would still be incomplete.

I hear ya. I was thinking the same thing at first. Like, am I going to give up buying physical media because there is nothing special about this? After *hearing* it though, I'm pretty comfortable. Constant Motion is so killer I would *almost* buy it just for that. The rest is kind of a bonus. Still absolute BS to cut one song though but man, they were on fire for this show.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ytserush on December 10, 2022, 02:05:07 PM

Comments? I must know!

Something to the effect of "We just busted our ass up here for 20 minutes.. Let me hear you!!!!"

I forgot that was cut. I guess I listen to the unofficial bootleg more.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ytserush on December 10, 2022, 02:11:02 PM
I am so conflicted about buying this. On one hand, I hate to leave a new live album on the table, but on the other, the needless chopping of the last song really bothers me. I can't spend money on something that would still be incomplete.

Haven't cracked open the CD yet. I won't be happy if it's not there either. We're way past the era where anything needs to be cut.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on December 12, 2022, 06:59:22 AM
I started listening, haven't gotten that far yet.   Not bad so far, but not James' best performance.  His voice has a tone to it; almost like he's yodeling?  That's not the right way to say it, but I don't have the words.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: evilasiojr on December 12, 2022, 07:02:08 AM
It seems like the next addition will be the DoT Demos, in February next year

https://www.facebook.com/289541335438/posts/pfbid02otHZoUD7zBrtEw46ZiJfvjEddssCCuomUz5TFMeS6cZRj4VFHRfpNr7iN3K1MhLtl/?mibextid=Nif5oz
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 12, 2022, 07:10:46 AM
Is the main selling product of the Lost Not Forgotten Archives the Vinyls? And the streaming releases are based around what songs are available on the Vinyl?

This is one of the only reasons I could think of for why Behind The Veil is not on the streaming sites either.
That is my understanding, although I haven't heard anything about this release in particular.

FYI, Scarred was left off the original cassette version of Awake, which I bought on release in 1994.  I didn't know that Scarred existed until I upgraded that album to CD sometime around 97 or 98.  So for me, anyway, the current situation is no big deal lol.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on December 12, 2022, 07:52:08 AM
Just as many people would be complaining about having to pay for a double vinyl when the show is just a little over an hour. They made the most economical choice.

And yes, I think steaming is based what’s on vinyl. They just take one audio file and send it out to be pressed or go on Apple, Spotify, etc.

So the quality control isn't the greatest. It’s a cheap, easy, quick way to get extra product out and give the fans what they’ve been asking for, for years. A few years ago we would be begging for this. No complaints about any of it from me.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on December 12, 2022, 08:13:02 AM
I don't think people are complaining just because they can. The attention to detail has been handled a bit poorly with some of these releases:

- The one for Made In Japan has been labeled "Live" and not "Cover" as the other ones are, even though they're all live.
- They used Octavarium era images for the WDADR show.
- The misprinting of the IAW demos CDs.
- Cutting BTV from the latest release.
- Cutting ACOS from not one, but two releases of the Budokan show.

Now, don't get me wrong. I love that they're doing this and I've got most of these releases and every month I look forward to the next one, I just wish they sorted or at least acknowledge these issues, like "For those wondering why _______ was cut from this release, we just couldn't make it fit in the vinyl pressing, but don't worry, we'll make sure you get all the missing tracks in a future LNFA release soon!". It's not that hard, keeps their fans "happy" and puts more money in their pockets anyway. Would be a win-win.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on December 12, 2022, 08:27:08 AM
I don't think people are complaining just because they can. The attention to detail has been handled a bit poorly with some of these releases:

- The one for Made In Japan has been labeled "Live" and not "Cover" as the other ones are, even though they're all live.
- They used Octavarium era images for the WDADR show.
- The misprinting of the IAW demos CDs.
- Cutting BTV from the latest release.
- Cutting ACOS from not one, but two releases of the Budokan show.

Now, don't get me wrong. I love that they're doing this and I've got most of these releases and every month I look forward to the next one, I just wish they sorted or at least acknowledge these issues, like "For those wondering why _______ was cut from this release, we just couldn't make it fit in the vinyl pressing, but don't worry, we'll make sure you get all the missing tracks in a future LNFA release soon!". It's not that hard, keeps their fans "happy" and puts more money in their pockets anyway. Would be a win-win.

Exactly. The Live vs Cover distinction is a non issue to me, but everything else you said is dead on.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on December 12, 2022, 10:45:39 AM
Distance Over Time demos are next! SWEET!  :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Mosh on December 12, 2022, 11:00:53 AM
Omitting a song, particularly one that (as far as I know) hasn't been issued on a live album previously,  seems like a pretty big oversight. Especially when there are songs that have been overrepresented on the live albums. In the era of streaming, there's no real reason to leave things off (and that should be treated as the dominant format IMO). I'm really curious about the rationale behind those decisions.

On a related note, I am also curious about the story behind Portnoy contributing a show for this from his archives. Did DT request that specific show, did Portnoy hand pick it, who reached out to whom? I would really love to see Portnoy get more involved with these releases. Both because he has a huge archive of material that the fans want, but also because there was a lot more care put into the presentation of the YtseJam era releases. I would like to see that come back and it seems like Portnoy gets what the fans want in a way that the Dream Theater camp doesn't understand.

Distance Over Time demos is really exciting! Don't like the album much but I am really excited about all the unreleased material that they are starting to put out. I'm really curious about any pre-Mangini ADTOE demos as well.

Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on December 12, 2022, 11:26:46 AM
Omitting a song, particularly one that (as far as I know) hasn't been issued on a live album previously,  seems like a pretty big oversight. Especially when there are songs that have been overrepresented on the live albums. In the era of streaming, there's no real reason to leave things off (and that should be treated as the dominant format IMO). I'm really curious about the rationale behind those decisions.

Yes, this is exactly why some of us are disappointed/mad with some of those decisions.

On a related note, I am also curious about the story behind Portnoy contributing a show for this from his archives. Did DT request that specific show, did Portnoy hand pick it, who reached out to whom?

I'd say he most likely picked the most notorious/important shows + rarities from his collection for an initial run, and their only show at MSG definitely seems like something worth releasing.

Here's the only info we have on that:

(https://i.imgur.com/JprbGua.jpeg)

There's more to follow, so it's exciting to see what new things they have in store :metal
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 13, 2022, 07:16:45 AM
Hopefully the show from Scotland on the SFAM tour that featured the Canadian Rap.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Deadeye21 on December 14, 2022, 04:48:57 PM
Omitting a song, particularly one that hasn't been issued on a live album previously,  seems like a pretty big oversight. Especially when there are songs that have been overrepresented on the live albums. In the era of streaming, there's no real reason to leave things off (and that should be treated as the dominant format IMO). I'm really curious about the rationale behind those decisions.


Agreed, there are at least 3 songs on here that could’ve been bounced off without a problem. I’d happily take an edited version with Afterlife, Burning My Soul, Panic Attack, Constant Motion, Bridges in the Sky and Behind the Veil. But removing BtV makes this release fairly trivial and kinda unwanted in my collection.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on December 14, 2022, 04:52:15 PM
Hopefully the show from Scotland on the SFAM tour that featured the Canadian Rap.

They'd probably just omit the Canadian Rap.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: javidt on December 14, 2022, 10:12:03 PM
I'd like to hear SFAM when they played during the ocatavarium tour in South America.

I know we already have two releases of SFAM played live, but I think that the band was at their peak live during this tour
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: goo-goo on December 16, 2022, 07:36:10 AM
I'd like to hear SFAM when they played during the ocatavarium tour in South America.

I know we already have two releases of SFAM played live, but I think that the band was at their peak live during this tour

South American crowds go crazy in a concert. Would love to see/hear a live recording of SFAM live in SA.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Deadeye21 on December 18, 2022, 11:11:53 PM
Actually, seeing that they did go back and do SFAM on Octavarium for the South American audience who didn’t get to see it in the initial run, can we PLEASE see them do it in Australia when they finally return?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: wolfking on December 19, 2022, 03:06:01 AM
Actually, seeing that they did go back and do SFAM on Octavarium for the South American audience who didn’t get to see it in the initial run, can we PLEASE see them do it in Australia when they finally return?

Oh......you're expecting them to come back here.....
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on December 19, 2022, 08:19:00 AM
Actually, seeing that they did go back and do SFAM on Octavarium for the South American audience who didn’t get to see it in the initial run, can we PLEASE see them do it in Australia when they finally return?
Oh......you're expecting them to come back here.....
Good question. In a new interview just posted with JL, they talk about DT's upcoming plans, and while JL does mention Europe, North America and Asia, he doesn't say anything about Oz. But with that being said, at this point, Oz typically gets lumped in with an Asia tour, so maybe he just neglected to mention it specifically - the way he spoke, he sounded like he doesn't pay that much attention to the specifics. Here's where he's talking about it:
https://youtu.be/r68MPMjK9K8?t=1638
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Deadeye21 on January 05, 2023, 07:00:09 PM
Yo, what’s our January release for LNF? And when?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: wolfking on January 05, 2023, 07:03:02 PM
Yo, what’s our January release for LNF? And when?

It's a concert from the successful Australian 2020 tour.  It's just 80 minutes of silence.  I heard it's a ripper.  Date unknown though.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on January 05, 2023, 07:04:10 PM
Yo, what’s our January release for LNF? And when?

It's a concert from the successful Australian 2020 tour.  It's just 80 minutes of silence.  I heard it's a ripper.  Date unknown though.


And they still had to fix James' vocals.
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Post by: gzarruk on January 05, 2023, 07:05:54 PM
 :rollin

It's Live at MSG 2010, and it's coming next Friday IIRC :tup
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: wolfking on January 05, 2023, 07:06:30 PM
Yo, what’s our January release for LNF? And when?

It's a concert from the successful Australian 2020 tour.  It's just 80 minutes of silence.  I heard it's a ripper.  Date unknown though.


And they still had to fix James' vocals.

Setlist could be better too, but an Australian show is hard to come by so who am I to complain.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Deadeye21 on January 05, 2023, 07:07:46 PM
Actually, seeing that they did go back and do SFAM on Octavarium for the South American audience who didn’t get to see it in the initial run, can we PLEASE see them do it in Australia when they finally return?
Oh......you're expecting them to come back here.....
Good question. In a new interview just posted with JL, they talk about DT's upcoming plans, and while JL does mention Europe, North America and Asia, he doesn't say anything about Oz. But with that being said, at this point, Oz typically gets lumped in with an Asia tour, so maybe he just neglected to mention it specifically - the way he spoke, he sounded like he doesn't pay that much attention to the specifics. Here's where he's talking about it:
https://youtu.be/r68MPMjK9K8?t=1638

Thing is, he mentions it being the keg that was cancelled for COVID. That’s the kind of thing I’m seeing as being a potential go ahead for another Australian tour. We also had contact through a few official channels that the band were still hopeful to work something out to get back here. Couple that with the inattention  to detail that you mentioned, I think it’s a strong shot.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: wolfking on January 05, 2023, 07:07:57 PM
:rollin

It's Live at MSG 2010, and it's coming next Friday IIRC :tup

He means Dream Theater bro, not Michael Schenker Group.
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Post by: Mosh on January 05, 2023, 07:08:19 PM
Isn't the January release the 2010 MSG show from the Iron Maiden tour?

I just got through Wacken 2015 last night. Not a bad collection although the decision to omit Behind the Veil is still absolutely baffling. Even more so now that I've heard some of the performances they decided to leave on. Spirit Carries On isn't great and Petrucci flubs the solo in As I Am quite a bit. Either of those could've been axed. On the plus side: really burning version of Constant Motion and Afterlife is a nice treat (great opener choice). Hopefully at some point we get something from this tour with Behind the Veil + the other songs that didn't get played at Wacken from the tour.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: wolfking on January 05, 2023, 07:09:25 PM
Actually, seeing that they did go back and do SFAM on Octavarium for the South American audience who didn’t get to see it in the initial run, can we PLEASE see them do it in Australia when they finally return?
Oh......you're expecting them to come back here.....
Good question. In a new interview just posted with JL, they talk about DT's upcoming plans, and while JL does mention Europe, North America and Asia, he doesn't say anything about Oz. But with that being said, at this point, Oz typically gets lumped in with an Asia tour, so maybe he just neglected to mention it specifically - the way he spoke, he sounded like he doesn't pay that much attention to the specifics. Here's where he's talking about it:
https://youtu.be/r68MPMjK9K8?t=1638

Thing is, he mentions it being the keg that was cancelled for COVID. That’s the kind of thing I’m seeing as being a potential go ahead for another Australian tour. We also had contact through a few official channels that the band were still hopeful to work something out to get back here. Couple that with the inattention  to detail that you mentioned, I think it’s a strong shot.

They've always had good turouts here, I'm sure they haven't completely forgotten about us.  I'm sure they will do everything they can to get back here, you would hope.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Deadeye21 on January 05, 2023, 07:25:04 PM
They aren’t Metallica that straight declared “not even gonna bother, lol”
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: wolfking on January 05, 2023, 07:26:56 PM
They aren’t Metallica that straight declared “not even gonna bother, lol”

They said that?   :lol
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on January 05, 2023, 08:41:06 PM
Yo, what’s our January release for LNF? And when?

It's a concert from the successful Australian 2020 tour.  It's just 80 minutes of silence.  I heard it's a ripper.  Date unknown though.


And they still had to fix James' vocals.

I feel bad I laughed at this.
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Post by: TAC on January 05, 2023, 08:44:06 PM
Yo, what’s our January release for LNF? And when?

It's a concert from the successful Australian 2020 tour.  It's just 80 minutes of silence.  I heard it's a ripper.  Date unknown though.


And they still had to fix James' vocals.

I feel bad I laughed at this.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8e/88/5b/8e885bcfc5df5a54ca01c7057f26f738.jpg)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Deadeye21 on January 06, 2023, 05:15:28 AM
They aren’t Metallica that straight declared “not even gonna bother, lol”

They said that?   :lol

M72 “world tour” 2023-2024. US, Europe, Mexico. “All dates are announced and nothing new will be added”.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 07, 2023, 03:09:56 PM
Wow....I wish JLB's vocals were like this on the Distant Memories release.

I am also loving this mix. It's big, dynamic and I can hear the keyboards a lot better. Everything has space.

I'm listening to Live in Berlin again and I still stand by this statement. I really like how he sings Barstool Warrior, along with how prominent the keyboards are.


Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on January 10, 2023, 12:10:40 PM
Do we know what's coming after the MSG bootleg? It's almost here
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Post by: Trav86 on January 10, 2023, 12:23:00 PM
Do we know what's coming after the MSG bootleg? It's almost here

Distance Over Time Demos
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on January 10, 2023, 03:45:33 PM
Do we know what's coming after the MSG bootleg? It's almost here

Distance Over Time Demos

Oh yeah. I knew that. Memory lapse.

Thanks anyway. Wonder what's after that.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on January 10, 2023, 03:48:44 PM
I cannot understand why the Distance Over Time demos would be appealing in the least. Certainly not for purchase. Are the songs radically different? Oooh they're in the order they were written....who cares?



On a positive note, I think Live At Berlin is the best live album released in the Mangini era.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on January 10, 2023, 04:56:56 PM
I cannot understand why the Distance Over Time demos would be appealing in the least. Certainly not for purchase. Are the songs radically different? Oooh they're in the order they were written....who cares?



On a positive note, I think Live At Berlin is the best live album released in the Mangini era.

For me those demos are always good for one listen. Besides the Majesty and FII ones for obvious reasons. But yeah, I feel the same way.

As for the Berlin show, absolutely. Live at Luna Park is still great, but that Berlin show. The mix and the performances are just top-notch!
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Post by: EPIC Outro on January 10, 2023, 05:08:13 PM

I love DOT and I'm looking forward to experiencing it in a new way with the demos.
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Post by: devieira73 on January 10, 2023, 05:47:03 PM
I cannot understand why the Distance Over Time demos would be appealing in the least. Certainly not for purchase. Are the songs radically different? Oooh they're in the order they were written....who cares?

On a positive note, I think Live At Berlin is the best live album released in the Mangini era.

Maybe we can hear some "extended versions" of the songs? From what I remember, DT consciously tried to make the songs more concise on DoT. So maybe there's some significant adjustments/cuts in the demos to the final arrangements.
I also love Live at Berlin, amazing sound quality, live feel and performance!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 10, 2023, 06:30:08 PM
I cannot understand why the Distance Over Time demos would be appealing in the least. Certainly not for purchase. Are the songs radically different? Oooh they're in the order they were written....who cares?

If they are what the ending to At Wit's End is from, then I would be interested in hearing how they got to that ending.


On a positive note, I think Live At Berlin is the best live album released in the Mangini era.

 :metal
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on January 10, 2023, 08:17:47 PM
I cannot understand why the Distance Over Time demos would be appealing in the least. Certainly not for purchase. Are the songs radically different? Oooh they're in the order they were written....who cares?


Because it's an amazing album and it will be cool to see if the songs are different, similar, or just more raw. It will be our only look into the Mangini era on that front.
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Post by: Cool Chris on January 10, 2023, 08:28:24 PM
On a positive note, I think Live At Berlin is the best live album released in the Mangini era.

I stopped caring about their live releases post-BtFW. I should check this out.
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Post by: pg1067 on January 11, 2023, 09:46:39 AM
I cannot understand why the Distance Over Time demos would be appealing in the least. Certainly not for purchase. Are the songs radically different? Oooh they're in the order they were written....who cares?


Because it's an amazing album and it will be cool to see if the songs are different, similar, or just more raw. It will be our only look into the Mangini era on that front.

I'm with Tim, and I don't think it matters whether one things the album is amazing, middle of the pack or bottom of the barrel (I rank it 11/15).  The I&W demos are cool because there are LOTS of differences, including personnel.  However, I never bought the Awake demos because I was told they aren't much different from what's on the album (except that 2 of my 3 least favorite songs were apparently, at one point, smushed together).  Given the way DOT was written, I'm surprised they demoed the songs at all and would be even more surprised if the demos were significantly different from what's on the album, and I'm not spending money on it without knowing.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on January 11, 2023, 10:24:04 AM
They demoed the DOT songs because their original plan was to only use the barn studio to write the songs, demo them, and then properly record them somewhere else. They liked that place so much they ended up getting studio equipment to record them there, but the songs were already demoed.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: wolfking on January 11, 2023, 02:17:24 PM
I cannot understand why the Distance Over Time demos would be appealing in the least. Certainly not for purchase. Are the songs radically different? Oooh they're in the order they were written....who cares?

I agree.  I've never cared for demos whatsoever.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Deadeye21 on January 11, 2023, 04:05:41 PM
I’m pretty much only in this to hear extended AWE jamming. I’m assuming it’s probably a bit longer and doesn’t do a fade out just to fade back in.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on January 11, 2023, 06:43:04 PM
I can't think of a time I've ever thought "hey, I want to hear a demo of this song."
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Post by: RaiseTheKnife on January 11, 2023, 10:36:29 PM
I find myself occasionally in the mood for a demo version of a song, especially if its Lines in the Sand, Burning My Soul or Hollow Years, each which contain extra verses that didn't make the album cut.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on January 12, 2023, 06:57:34 AM
I find myself occasionally in the mood for a demo version of a song, especially if its Lines in the Sand, Burning My Soul or Hollow Years, each which contain extra verses that didn't make the album cut.

This is me; if the demo is different, either in structure, arrangement, lyrics, etc., I will sometimes go listen.  But if it's just a rougher version, note-for-note, of what we got on the album, I'm usually not interested (except in the rare - and it's very rare for me - case that. I don't like the "sound" of the official version).
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on January 12, 2023, 09:37:05 AM
I find myself occasionally in the mood for a demo version of a song, especially if its Lines in the Sand, Burning My Soul or Hollow Years, each which contain extra verses that didn't make the album cut.

This is me; if the demo is different, either in structure, arrangement, lyrics, etc., I will sometimes go listen.  But if it's just a rougher version, note-for-note, of what we got on the album, I'm usually not interested (except in the rare - and it's very rare for me - case that. I don't like the "sound" of the official version).

That's what a lot of the special edition Yes albums added.  "Rough demo" of Roundabout = exact same song without the overdubs and production.  I listened once and likely won't listen again.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on January 12, 2023, 10:39:44 AM
I like the demo CDs. They get only slightly less play than live albums these days. I see them as separate performances that can be enjoyed as much as live ones. Looking forward to new demos!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: EPIC Outro on January 12, 2023, 03:34:57 PM

I will occasionally listen to the FII demos. I think a bunch of them are superior to the album version in all but production quality.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: JeopardousRaven on January 12, 2023, 10:07:05 PM
Was this really an important show to release, besides the fact that they're playing at MSG? Short, uninteresting set. Did we really need new live versions of As I Am, Panic Attack, Constant Motion, Pull Me Under...

On the bright side we're getting an official live version of A Rite of Passage which is cool but I think a show from this tour where they some of the played more of the BC&SL album like Count and Nightmare would have been a lot better.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on January 13, 2023, 03:17:38 AM
Was this really an important show to release, besides the fact that they're playing at MSG? Short, uninteresting set. Did we really need new live versions of As I Am, Panic Attack, Constant Motion, Pull Me Under...

On the bright side we're getting an official live version of A Rite of Passage which is cool but I think a show from this tour where they some of the played more of the BC&SL album like Count and Nightmare would have been a lot better.

When they played that show, the band (maybe just Mike) made comments online about how special it was for them. Growing up in New York, playing MSG was like a dream come true for them. I think the point of this is just how special it was to them personally.
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Post by: Mladen on January 13, 2023, 03:43:53 AM
Lets not forget that the entire band was at the top of their game on that tour, especially James. It's also a powerful set with a damn good selection of songs. I'm more interested in this one than most of the other releases.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on January 13, 2023, 04:32:22 AM
This version of Home is very cool.
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Post by: Deadeye21 on January 13, 2023, 05:32:41 AM
This version of Home is very cool.

Agreed, love MP’s mini-solo here. Really like the cheeky tease of Where Eagles Dare, given this was opening for Maiden.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on January 13, 2023, 09:12:51 AM
Was this really an important show to release, besides the fact that they're playing at MSG? Short, uninteresting set. Did we really need new live versions of As I Am, Panic Attack, Constant Motion, Pull Me Under...

This was an important show for the band, and especially Mike who addressed the crowd. I haven't yet heard the LNF version, but the boot from this show is tremendous. You can hear how they are winning over the crowd as each song is played. Not sure if that is clear on the LNF version. I remember being disappointed with the setlist when it was revealed, but it is brilliantly constructed and paced, with each song being slightly faster than the one that precedes it. Masterful.



On the bright side we're getting an official live version of A Rite of Passage which is cool but I think a show from this tour where they some of the played more of the BC&SL album like Count and Nightmare would have been a lot better.

I don't disagree. I feel like we'll get one eventually with MP involved.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on January 13, 2023, 10:03:46 AM
I mean, that's the whole point of these boots. They may not be everyone's cup of tea but the option is there. If there were some random show from Kansas City with a crappy setlist and subpar performance I'd wonder why. I have no such questions about this one.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 13, 2023, 10:10:50 AM
I'm glad they released it, and the band sounds pretty good on it, but half of the songs on the setlist are near the bottom of their output for me, so it won't get much replay from me.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Bluefish on January 13, 2023, 01:24:12 PM
I was supposed to receive Live at Madison Square Garden (2010) today.  Amazon now says it will arrive on February 13.  WTF!?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on January 13, 2023, 01:27:14 PM
I was supposed to receive Live at Madison Square Garden (2010) today.  Amazon now says it will arrive on February 13.  WTF!?

This has been going on with Amazon for a while now. The last LNF actually came a day or two early which is unheard of
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on January 13, 2023, 01:48:53 PM
I was supposed to receive Live at Madison Square Garden (2010) today.  Amazon now says it will arrive on February 13.  WTF!?

Mine just got delayed. I suspected I wouldn't get it today when I noticed it hadn't shipped yet, and so I got a "approve that you still want this item" email from them today. I'm in no hurry to get it, so I said sure, but hopefully I get it before February 13th.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Bluefish on January 13, 2023, 02:24:35 PM
I was supposed to receive Live at Madison Square Garden (2010) today.  Amazon now says it will arrive on February 13.  WTF!?

Mine just got delayed. I suspected I wouldn't get it today when I noticed it hadn't shipped yet, and so I got a "approve that you still want this item" email from them today. I'm in no hurry to get it, so I said sure, but hopefully I get it before February 13th.

-Marc.

Same.  It's a minor source of irritation, but I still want it.  You can hear it on Spotify in the mean time.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 14, 2023, 02:27:19 AM
Was this really an important show to release, besides the fact that they're playing at MSG? Short, uninteresting set. Did we really need new live versions of As I Am, Panic Attack, Constant Motion, Pull Me Under...

On the bright side we're getting an official live version of A Rite of Passage which is cool but I think a show from this tour where they some of the played more of the BC&SL album like Count and Nightmare would have been a lot better.

When they played that show, the band (maybe just Mike) made comments online about how special it was for them. Growing up in New York, playing MSG was like a dream come true for them. I think the point of this is just how special it was to them personally.

MP during Constant Motion: "Hey Jordan, That's Madison Square Garden out there, man."  :lol
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on January 14, 2023, 06:44:52 AM
No word out yet about March's release? Hope they don't take another month off :-\
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: axeman90210 on January 14, 2023, 06:49:23 AM
I just went to grab the MSG show on iTunes and they show DOT demos as well as the Making of FII as being available for preorder (the latter scheduled for April 7th).
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on January 14, 2023, 07:16:44 AM
No word out yet about March's release? Hope they don't take another month off :-\
https://burningshed.com/dream-theater_the-making-of-falling-into-infinity_cd
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Post by: Trav86 on January 14, 2023, 07:27:22 AM
No word out yet about March's release? Hope they don't take another month off :-\
https://burningshed.com/dream-theater_the-making-of-falling-into-infinity_cd

Release date is April.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on January 14, 2023, 07:36:31 AM
Well, that settles it. I guess after 3 new releases in a row, taking a month off makes sense. Nice find :tup
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: devieira73 on January 14, 2023, 08:22:48 AM
I know this kind of release has its audience, but I barely listen to those "making of" once... and they have almost zero replay value for me. I prefer much more the live releases and, after that, good quality demos and covers, in this order.
By the way, listening to the newer live releases that Jimmy T mixed (Berlin and Wacken), I think he's making a tremendous job, totally nailing it!!
Just comparing with 2010's MSG release, despite JLB not being in his best days anymore, I must admit I'm loving the super tight instrumental performance of DT nowadays.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on January 14, 2023, 08:55:51 AM
I know this kind of release has its audience, but I barely listen to those "making of" once... and they have almost zero replay value for me. I prefer much more the live releases and, after that, good quality demos and covers, in this order.


Agree. Also, without MP liner notes the Making Of series is almost pointless although I'm not sure if Mike even did notes for the FII release. Can't remember off hand
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: EPIC Outro on January 14, 2023, 09:00:58 AM

Maybe, now that Mike is contributing to these releases, we might get some new liner notes?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: devieira73 on January 14, 2023, 09:06:17 AM
I know this kind of release has its audience, but I barely listen to those "making of" once... and they have almost zero replay value for me. I prefer much more the live releases and, after that, good quality demos and covers, in this order.


Agree. Also, without MP liner notes the Making Of series is almost pointless although I'm not sure if Mike even did notes for the FII release. Can't remember off hand

For the Making of FII, no. But the Making of Scenes has 6 pages of liner notes on the Official Bootleg. :tup
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on January 14, 2023, 09:28:34 AM
The making of FII never made it to the Official Bootlegs. It was a fan club CD in 1997. I think this is the  first fan club CD to make it to the LNF Archives.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Mosh on January 14, 2023, 09:37:03 AM
No, there was an official bootleg version. Catalog number YTSEJAM016
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on January 14, 2023, 09:43:06 AM
I know this kind of release has its audience, but I barely listen to those "making of" once... and they have almost zero replay value for me. I prefer much more the live releases and, after that, good quality demos and covers, in this order.


Agree. Also, without MP liner notes the Making Of series is almost pointless although I'm not sure if Mike even did notes for the FII release. Can't remember off hand

For the Making of FII, no. But the Making of Scenes has 6 pages of liner notes on the Official Bootleg. :tup

Yep! That's why I was so exciting for more Making Of boots because of how interesting the SFAM one was (liner notes and all). FII was...good for a listen or two and I guess as a companion piece for the excellent demo cd but just a bunch of random clips without much context.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on January 14, 2023, 09:50:00 AM
No, there was an official bootleg version. Catalog number YTSEJAM016

I must’ve completely forgotten that. Thanks for reminding me! It sucks getting old.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: devieira73 on January 14, 2023, 10:03:50 AM
I only have the official bootleg version of it, so I don't know if the original fan club version had liner notes - I believe not, since they were very bare bones releases at its beginning.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on January 14, 2023, 10:32:08 AM
Since they have yet to open up the LNF series to anything other than new releases and Official Bootleg CDs... there's only six left that haven't been re-released after April...

WDADU demos
Making of SFAM
Live in Tokyo 1995
Live in LA 1998
Dark Side of the Moon
Uncovered 2003-2005

After that... only speculating, but they could open it up to Official Bootleg DVDs (I can see this happening), the Lazy Tomato Entertainment series (LTE official boots - doubtful), or Fan Club CDs (somewhere in the middle). Otherwise it's all unreleased stuff. Does that mean it slows down to less than 10-11 a year? How long does this series last? I wouldn't mind if it slowed down a bit, just in terms of my wallet. But I will take as much as they want to give! Been waiting over ten years for these to come back, and it's been a great couple years so far.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: javidt on January 14, 2023, 11:58:24 AM
Since they have yet to open up the LNF series to anything other than new releases and Official Bootleg CDs... there's only six left that haven't been re-released after April...

WDADU demos
Making of SFAM
Live in Tokyo 1995
Live in LA 1998
Dark Side of the Moon
Uncovered 2003-2005

After that... only speculating, but they could open it up to Official Bootleg DVDs (I can see this happening), the Lazy Tomato Entertainment series (LTE official boots - doubtful), or Fan Club CDs (somewhere in the middle). Otherwise it's all unreleased stuff. Does that mean it slows down to less than 10-11 a year? How long does this series last? I wouldn't mind if it slowed down a bit, just in terms of my wallet. But I will take as much as they want to give! Been waiting over ten years for these to come back, and it's been a great couple years so far.

Speaking of LTE bootlegs, my LA blu ray stop working years ago :(. Anyone have had the same issue?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on January 14, 2023, 12:08:21 PM
Since they have yet to open up the LNF series to anything other than new releases and Official Bootleg CDs... there's only six left that haven't been re-released after April...

WDADU demos
Making of SFAM
Live in Tokyo 1995
Live in LA 1998
Dark Side of the Moon
Uncovered 2003-2005

After that... only speculating, but they could open it up to Official Bootleg DVDs (I can see this happening), the Lazy Tomato Entertainment series (LTE official boots - doubtful), or Fan Club CDs (somewhere in the middle). Otherwise it's all unreleased stuff. Does that mean it slows down to less than 10-11 a year? How long does this series last? I wouldn't mind if it slowed down a bit, just in terms of my wallet. But I will take as much as they want to give! Been waiting over ten years for these to come back, and it's been a great couple years so far.

I'm patiently waiting for audio versions of the Bucharest and Santiago shows.

As for what's next, most likely some of the Fan Club CDs (the ones that don't overlap with the re-releases from YJR), but I wouldn't worry too much about this overall. MP said he contributed to *several* new titles and there's also a bunch of MM era stuff they haven't even touched yet: Astonishing live, ADTOE demos, live tracks from 2015-2017 like ACOS and BTV, TA demos, Mangini's full audition, Top of the World tour live...

There's just lots of great stuff they can offer for years to come, specially considering they keep taking a couple months off with no releases each year and that they also seem to remove tracks from live shows that have to be released at some point later :lol :facepalm:
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Mosh on January 14, 2023, 12:26:27 PM
I am skeptical that DVDs would sell, but then again if you told me they were going to do (almost) monthly CD/vinyl releases of demos and live recordings, I also would've said that probably won't sell so what do I know? I just hope that if they do release video content, they release it in audio format as well. I really like those Santiago and Bucharest shows but would much rather listen to them than break out a DVD player (which I don't even have anymore).

I actually really like the two making of discs. It makes sense that FII doesn't have liner notes since the FII demos album was really in depth. And, actually, I find the audio really speaks for itself. The band is hashing out the songs in the studio, I don't really feel like that much additional commentary is required.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: jimgolf on January 14, 2023, 06:16:24 PM
I am skeptical that DVDs would sell, but then again if you told me they were going to do (almost) monthly CD/vinyl releases of demos and live recordings, I also would've said that probably won't sell so what do I know? I just hope that if they do release video content, they release it in audio format as well. I really like those Santiago and Bucharest shows but would much rather listen to them than break out a DVD player (which I don't even have anymore).

I actually really like the two making of discs. It makes sense that FII doesn't have liner notes since the FII demos album was really in depth. And, actually, I find the audio really speaks for itself. The band is hashing out the songs in the studio, I don't really feel like that much additional commentary is required.

I may be an old fashioned 30 year old, but I still really enjoy buying dvds/Blu-ray’s of concerts. It’s tough to justify buying a cd of a release that is on a streaming platform I already pay for, but buying a dvd I can’t get anywhere else is a different story. Plus my copy of Bucharest is dead and it’s one of my favorite dream theater shows so I am eagerly hoping they release it again.

Maybe they can release something from the chaos in motion tour(I remember Mike saying they filmed every show from that tour and there are definitely better James performances than what ended up on the chaos in motion dvd - conspiracy, I suspect the bad performances that ended up were because of bad blood between James and mike and were maybe going to be used as a justification for moving on from him.)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: sfam2112 on January 14, 2023, 08:33:29 PM

Maybe they can release something from the chaos in motion tour(I remember Mike saying they filmed every show from that tour and there are definitely better James performances than what ended up on the chaos in motion dvd - conspiracy, I suspect the bad performances that ended up were because of bad blood between James and mike and were maybe going to be used as a justification for moving on from him.)

I don't think they filmed every show. I do remember hearing they recorded every show. That's one reason why there's a couple different performances on the CDs from that set.
I don't think it was MP having it out for James as much as he was just using what footage he had.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Mosh on January 16, 2023, 09:14:37 AM
I really dug the MSG disc. The band was playing with a ton of energy but also super tight. Although I like a lot of what they are doing now, I liked the raw feel of the band playing on stage without backing tracks. I don't think this was one of JLB's better tours, but I appreciated his energy. It's also great to have a live recording of A Rite of Passage, that song went down really well.

The Final Frontier tour was my intro to Dream Theater. I know a lot of folks around here aren't crazy about the setlist, but it was really perfect for trying to introduce Maiden fans to Dream Theater. Keeping it heavy but with enough of the prog zaniness to show that DT had something unique to offer. Also, with Maiden heavily emphasizing their more progressive side during this period, Dream Theater was really the perfect opener. Nice to go back in time!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on January 16, 2023, 09:19:56 AM

Maybe they can release something from the chaos in motion tour(I remember Mike saying they filmed every show from that tour and there are definitely better James performances than what ended up on the chaos in motion dvd - conspiracy, I suspect the bad performances that ended up were because of bad blood between James and mike and were maybe going to be used as a justification for moving on from him.)

I don't think they filmed every show. I do remember hearing they recorded every show. That's one reason why there's a couple different performances on the CDs from that set.
I don't think it was MP having it out for James as much as he was just using what footage he had.
Correct on the bolded. That's the reason why the live video footage for Chaos in Motion is limited to 6 shows and isn't as good as the Budokan or Score shows. Actually, the footage was pro-shot but not commissioned by the band, but MP apparently got it licensed for inclusion after the fact.

As for the different performances of BF and Surrounded '07 on the CD versus the DVD, that was purely accidental. Here's what MP said about it when I interviewed him in 2009:
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MP: Putting together that set, I had based the song picks on the video footage I had. I looked at what was best represented on video and I picked the Toronto show for Blind Faith and Surrounded. I had my list of all the videos that were being edited for the video and I sent Kevin Shirley the list of what to mix the audio from. And he mixed what we thought was the Toronto show for Blind Faith and Surrounded. We synced it back up to the video, only to find out that it was from a completely different show – somebody sent him the wrong tapes, and we couldn’t find the Toronto audio. So the audio for Toronto was missing and here we were with this mixed audio of Blind Faith and Surrounded, and we had no idea what show it was even from. So even to this day, I have no idea of what show those specific performances are from.

SH: Yeah, because I noticed there’s no credit listed for them!

MP: You guys could probably go through the [audience bootleg recordings of the] shows and figure it out, but I have no idea. But we already had the video edited and so it was either cut the songs – which I didn’t want to do for the video – or we just go with the live audio mix for the video and we’ll use these mixes for the CD.

SH: The reason why I was asking was because I was thinking “if you’re picking out different performances for those songs, why didn’t you go ahead and hand pick each song for the CD as opposed to the DVD?”

MP: No – it was a total mystery. The Toronto tapes were missing, Kevin Shirley mixed the show, we lined it up, and I was like “why isn’t this matching?” We were trying to move the video and ultimately found out that it was a completely different show.
Incidentally, a few years back when I was listening to the various shows from that tour, I discovered that the performances of BF and Surrounded '07 on CD are from May 9, 2008 in Calgary, Alberta.  :)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TheRich13 on January 16, 2023, 09:49:52 AM
So looks like we’re getting an April release but no March release… wonder what the difference is between Falling into Infinity Demos and Making of Falling into Infinity ?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on January 16, 2023, 09:55:18 AM
So looks like we’re getting an April release but no March release… wonder what the difference is between Falling into Infinity Demos and Making of Falling into Infinity ?
The demos are complete songs but not in their final versions. The making of features many different excerpts of each song as they are recording them in the studio, with varying amounts of orchestration (sometimes just a single instrument, sometimes full band, etc.). There's only one complete track, which is an alternate version of TAMP while I think they were trying to rework the arrangement, but IIRC, it doesn't feature a guitar solo or anything like that. Probably the most interesting thing for me was hearing part of YNM in its original key before they tuned it down (probably because it would've been too high for JL to sing vocally, and it was pegged to be a single and therefore probably performed live often until it failed miserably).
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 17, 2023, 08:26:08 AM
Probably not going to happen, but if they re-release the videos as well, I hope they upgrade to Blu-Ray instead of putting out DVDs.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on January 17, 2023, 08:38:04 AM
Probably not going to happen, but if they re-release the videos as well, I hope they upgrade to Blu-Ray instead of putting out DVDs.

Not happening. They re-released Budokan on Blu-Ray and then didn't even bother to do Score (though maybe there were some behind the scenes issues with that?), no chance they'll do it with the bootlegs.

Best thing we can hope for is the official audio versions of those DVD only older releases.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on January 17, 2023, 12:42:40 PM
Probably not going to happen, but if they re-release the videos as well, I hope they upgrade to Blu-Ray instead of putting out DVDs.
Not happening. They re-released Budokan on Blu-Ray and then didn't even bother to do Score (though maybe there were some behind the scenes issues with that?), no chance they'll do it with the bootlegs.

Best thing we can hope for is the official audio versions of those DVD only older releases.
Agreed. And given that they are doing digipaks for all of these, it would be much easier to release a triple CD set than when YJR was releasing them in jewel cases (tho I absolutely hate digipaks). Maybe it will happen, maybe not. I guess time will tell...
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on January 18, 2023, 09:35:35 AM
Awesome. Latest release is delayed on Amazon  ::) :angry:
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: James Mypetgiress on January 18, 2023, 02:11:00 PM
Just picked up a copy of the Madison Square Garden release. I'm a big fan of the setlist from this gig and James sounds on good form!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 18, 2023, 03:04:25 PM
I wasn't following to even know they released the MSG show, I was there and listening now  :metal
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: EPIC Outro on January 18, 2023, 03:08:00 PM
Just listened to the MSG show. Mike talked too much during the songs, IMO.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on January 18, 2023, 03:09:42 PM
Just listened to the MSG show. Mike talked too much during the songs, IMO.

Yeah, and it was a bit cringey.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 18, 2023, 03:34:52 PM
Just listened to the MSG show. Mike talked too much during the songs, IMO.

I'm just laughing they actually left them in there. Well, at least we know they're not cutting out anything with these recordings.  :lol

Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: EPIC Outro on January 18, 2023, 04:18:01 PM

When he yelled "Hey Jordan!" I expected the show to come to a crashing halt lol. That would have startled the hell out of me if I was performing live.

Also, the part where James sings "Is it something to do with where I come from?" and Mike shouts out "I come from Long Island!" or whatever it was... Ugh. He wanted the crowd to eat it up but it was almost puke inducing.

I still love Mike.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on January 18, 2023, 06:16:50 PM

When he yelled "Hey Jordan!" I expected the show to come to a crashing halt lol. That would have startled the hell out of me if I was performing live.

Betcha $10 Jordan didn't have MP's mike in his monitor mix.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on January 18, 2023, 06:48:00 PM

When he yelled "Hey Jordan!" I expected the show to come to a crashing halt lol. That would have startled the hell out of me if I was performing live.

Betcha $10 Jordan didn't have MP's mike in his monitor mix.

 :lol
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: sfam2112 on January 18, 2023, 06:56:34 PM

Also, the part where James sings "Is it something to do with where I come from?" and Mike shouts out "I come from Long Island!" or whatever it was... Ugh. He wanted the crowd to eat it up but it was almost puke inducing.


Yeah. Some of his interjections were a little off-putting. But I get it. He was excited. He couldn't help himself sometimes.  ;D


I still love Mike.

Yep :)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Mosh on January 18, 2023, 08:21:34 PM

When he yelled "Hey Jordan!" I expected the show to come to a crashing halt lol. That would have startled the hell out of me if I was performing live.

Betcha $10 Jordan didn't have MP's mike in his monitor mix.
I was thinking about that. Unless Portnoy gave stage directions (doubt it), I don’t really see why JR would need backing vocals in his monitor mix. 

It was obviously an exciting moment for Portnoy, he was having a good time.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: EPIC Outro on January 19, 2023, 03:12:52 AM

I get the excitement. I wish I had been at that show. I was in the city that night - I saw people on the train in DT shirts. But alas, other plans. I wonder if they will ever play MSG again?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on January 19, 2023, 05:09:35 AM

I wonder if they will ever play MSG again?

They don't seem to have the ability to play places anywhere near that large, so the only way would seem to be if they signed on to open for someone else.  Since they already opened for Maiden, and since Rush no longer exists, I'm not sure any band on that level exists.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: EPIC Outro on January 19, 2023, 05:34:36 AM
Metallica, maybe?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 19, 2023, 06:53:47 AM
Metallica, maybe?
That would be the only one.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Max Kuehnau on January 19, 2023, 07:06:14 AM
DT opening for Metallica would be odd though, don't you think? (with DT's music largely being substantially more difficult and largely substantially harder to digest for the average Metallica audience as it were), although Rob Trujillo might like DT's work (seemed to be open for lots of things during an interview I watched)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on January 19, 2023, 07:11:46 AM
I think you guys are sort of over-estimating the selectivity of some of these pairings.  Now, granted, maybe the band wouldn't want to go on next to certain acts, but the headliner need not be the exact genre or level of skill (whatever that is) as DT.

EDIT:  Amazon says delivery by March 5th; apparently my order was lost but not forgotten.  ;)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Max Kuehnau on January 19, 2023, 07:50:12 AM
I think you guys are sort of over-estimating the selectivity of some of these pairings.  Now, granted, maybe the band wouldn't want to go on next to certain acts, but the headliner need not be the exact genre or level of skill (whatever that is) as DT.

EDIT:  Amazon says delivery by March 5th; apparently my order was lost but not forgotten.  ;)
what a pun :D
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 19, 2023, 09:22:00 AM
Metallica, maybe?
That would be the only one.

And Metallica may be too big to play the Garden with a known opener.   Last Metallica arena tour had a comedian as the opener and now they are going back to playing stadiums.  I actually think that's a good answer, but still incredibly unlikely IMO.

I think you guys are sort of over-estimating the selectivity of some of these pairings.  Now, granted, maybe the band wouldn't want to go on next to certain acts, but the headliner need not be the exact genre or level of skill (whatever that is) as DT.

Yeah, DT could theoretically get paired up with another big band that's not exactly progressive metal.  Like a Disturbed or Smashing Pumpkins?  But the reality, does DT want to open for someone they may not associate with?  I feel like that's a risk they may not want to take at this point in their career.  But without DT maybe bending a little bit, I'd say the likelihood is very low for them to play MSG again.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: EPIC Outro on January 19, 2023, 09:31:20 AM

DT's catalogue is diverse enough that I bet they could craft a setlist that would be complimentary to just about any band.

I would love to see how heavy that set would be if they ever did open for Metallica.

Fall into the Light would be fantastic in that set!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: NoFred on January 19, 2023, 11:46:05 AM
Muse is one that plays arenas and uses openers, and I think DT could craft a short song and ballad kind of setlist that would play well.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on January 19, 2023, 11:48:01 AM
Muse is one that plays arenas and uses openers, and I think DT could craft a short song and ballad kind of setlist that would play well.

Time to play Never Enough again :P
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: NoFred on January 19, 2023, 12:01:33 PM
Muse is one that plays arenas and uses openers, and I think DT could craft a short song and ballad kind of setlist that would play well.

Time to play Never Enough again :P

Haha yeah, I avoided taking the “very similar setlist” angle. I think a set with Panic Attack, Forsaken, Fatal Tragedy, maybe something from DT12 and The Astonishing could play well to a Muse audience
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 19, 2023, 12:04:15 PM
Funny enough, I have tickets to see Muse at MSG in a couple months, the opener is Evanescence
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on January 19, 2023, 02:45:58 PM

DT's catalogue is diverse enough that I bet they could craft a setlist that would be complimentary to just about any band.

I would love to see how heavy that set would be if they ever did open for Metallica.

Fall into the Light would be fantastic in that set!

i would assume Pull Me Under would be played as it’s the song with the highest chance of being known by the average Metallica fan. As I Am would HAVE to be the opener. I think something like this would work well.

As I Am
Constant Motion
Fall Into the Light
Panic Attack
The Dance of Eternity
The Enemy Inside
Pull Me Under
Awaken the Master

It’s about an hour, and its heavy enough to satisfy the average Metallica fan while being progressive enough to give the fans a taste of what the band is really about.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 19, 2023, 02:49:06 PM
I'd love to see The Enemy Inside back in the set.  Very underrated single from DT IMO.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on January 19, 2023, 03:47:02 PM
I'd love to see The Enemy Inside back in the set.  Very underrated single from DT IMO.

It's a great track.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: EPIC Outro on January 19, 2023, 05:47:14 PM

I wonder how Honor Thy Father would go over with the Metallica fan base? :)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: wolfking on January 19, 2023, 06:20:44 PM

I wonder how Honor Thy Father would go over with the Metallica fan base? :)

Possibly better than Portnoy.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on January 19, 2023, 06:25:47 PM

I wonder how Honor Thy Father would go over with the Metallica fan base? :)

Possibly better than Portnoy.

 :lol
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on January 20, 2023, 06:26:31 AM

DT's catalogue is diverse enough that I bet they could craft a setlist that would be complimentary to just about any band.

I would love to see how heavy that set would be if they ever did open for Metallica.

Fall into the Light would be fantastic in that set!

i would assume Pull Me Under would be played as it’s the song with the highest chance of being known by the average Metallica fan. As I Am would HAVE to be the opener. I think something like this would work well.

As I Am
Constant Motion
Fall Into the Light
Panic Attack
The Dance of Eternity
The Enemy Inside
Pull Me Under
Awaken the Master

It’s about an hour, and its heavy enough to satisfy the average Metallica fan while being progressive enough to give the fans a taste of what the band is really about.

I'd go see that.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 24, 2023, 11:31:52 AM
I would love to see how heavy that set would be if they ever did open for Metallica.
Probably similar to that Grasspop Festival set they did.  Anybody remember that?

It was some time ago, Portnoy was still in the band.  If memory serves, that was (for DT) a brutal setlist, all their heaviest shit at the time.  I have a boot of it somewhere, but I can't put my hands on it right now.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: goo-goo on January 24, 2023, 11:39:24 AM
I would love to see how heavy that set would be if they ever did open for Metallica.
Probably similar to that Grasspop Festival set they did.  Anybody remember that?

It was some time ago, Portnoy was still in the band.  If memory serves, that was (for DT) a brutal setlist, all their heaviest shit at the time.  I have a boot of it somewhere, but I can't put my hands on it right now.

The Graspop Festival (2002 IIRC) DTIFC CD was amazing. I still play it from time to time.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 24, 2023, 11:55:45 AM
I would love to see how heavy that set would be if they ever did open for Metallica.
Probably similar to that Grasspop Festival set they did.  Anybody remember that?

It was some time ago, Portnoy was still in the band.  If memory serves, that was (for DT) a brutal setlist, all their heaviest shit at the time.  I have a boot of it somewhere, but I can't put my hands on it right now.

The Graspop Festival (2002 IIRC) DTIFC CD was amazing. I still play it from time to time.

That would be this set then:

The Glass Prison
The Mirror
Lie
Peruvian Skies
War Inside My Head
The Test That Stumped Them All
The Great Debate
Act II: Scene Six: Home
Pull Me Under
Master of Puppets (Metallica cover) (second half; followed by " Pull Me Under" reprise)

actually looks like they've done a few Graspop festivals, all with pretty cool heavy sets
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on January 24, 2023, 12:49:31 PM
I would love to see how heavy that set would be if they ever did open for Metallica.
Probably similar to that Grasspop Festival set they did.  Anybody remember that?

It was some time ago, Portnoy was still in the band.  If memory serves, that was (for DT) a brutal setlist, all their heaviest shit at the time.  I have a boot of it somewhere, but I can't put my hands on it right now.

I have it!

(https://i.discogs.com/-cWacgxVV5pC9P7KUexyiGGsDHOMAvilw-MM_SpdWIY/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:564/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTY1Mjcw/NDEtMTQ2MTEzNDAw/MS05NDM5LmpwZWc.jpeg)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: EPIC Outro on January 24, 2023, 02:08:11 PM

I also have this one. This is actually the first time I ever heard Master of Puppets!

It's been a few years since I spun this one, but I believe Home had an abridged intro that I remember digging.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: goo-goo on January 24, 2023, 02:28:39 PM

I also have this one. This is actually the first time I ever heard Master of Puppets!

It's been a few years since I spun this one, but I believe Home had an abridged intro that I remember digging.

I believe you are right about Home but The Great Debate is a killer track on this one. Love the aggressive tone that James' did with this one on this recording.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: wolfking on January 24, 2023, 03:23:46 PM
That's my kind of setlist.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on January 24, 2023, 03:39:47 PM
Back around 2005 once I started getting deep into DT, I hunted down the DTIFC discs off eBay and other places, and the Graspop disc was one of the first I got. Great setlist and definitely a precursor for the band wanting to do a more heavy metal album (Train Of Thought). I'm sure them doing Graspop had some influence in wanting to produce an album that was much heavier than anything they had done before, and that set list is a great companion to TOT if you love the heavy side of DT.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 25, 2023, 08:47:59 AM
I would love to see how heavy that set would be if they ever did open for Metallica.
Probably similar to that Grasspop Festival set they did.  Anybody remember that?

It was some time ago, Portnoy was still in the band.  If memory serves, that was (for DT) a brutal setlist, all their heaviest shit at the time.  I have a boot of it somewhere, but I can't put my hands on it right now.

The Graspop Festival (2002 IIRC) DTIFC CD was amazing. I still play it from time to time.

That would be this set then:

The Glass Prison
The Mirror
Lie
Peruvian Skies
War Inside My Head
The Test That Stumped Them All
The Great Debate
Act II: Scene Six: Home
Pull Me Under
Master of Puppets (Metallica cover) (second half; followed by " Pull Me Under" reprise)

actually looks like they've done a few Graspop festivals, all with pretty cool heavy sets
:metal
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on January 25, 2023, 08:49:34 AM
I'm pretty sure the beginning of The Glass Prison is used from a patch of a boot. I think I have that right.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 25, 2023, 08:55:38 AM
Back around 2005 once I started getting deep into DT, I hunted down the DTIFC discs off eBay and other places, and the Graspop disc was one of the first I got. Great setlist and definitely a precursor for the band wanting to do a more heavy metal album (Train Of Thought). I'm sure them doing Graspop had some influence in wanting to produce an album that was much heavier than anything they had done before, and that set list is a great companion to TOT if you love the heavy side of DT.

-Marc.

One thing I miss about DT was their desire to be apart of the metal community.  While they still do some festivals, it's not like they used to.  And just touring in general since they mostly tour alone, they just don't seem to be apart of the metal community like they used to.  MP recently shared a picture with some of the guys in Slayer and Pantera saying that those bands played before DT at that festival.  Kind of crazy to think that. 

There's still a part of me that would love to see DT tag along on like a Slipknot Roadshow type of tour or something.  One of those summer 4 metal band amphitheater tours. They likely wouldn't headline but would be the second to last band on the bill.  Get a lot of exposure to gain new fans.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: devieira73 on January 25, 2023, 09:49:33 AM
https://blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-confirms-he-is-slightly-involved-in-dream-theaters-recently-launched-lost-not-forgotten-archives
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Mosh on January 25, 2023, 09:58:50 AM
That was pretty interesting, thanks for the link. I agree with MP that it would’ve been nice to have liner notes, the way things are released digitally now makes it logistically tough but I’m curious what JP said to Portnoy when he asked as that has been a head scratcher to me as well. Feels like some of these are quickly slapped together without much thought. It’s awesome that Portnoy has some involvement now.

Anyone know what mistakes he’s referring to? Sounds like some errors in the Mangini era releases.

Btw, man I hadn’t been on blabbermouth in a long time. It’s become quite the tabloid.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on January 25, 2023, 11:10:11 AM
That was pretty interesting, thanks for the link. I agree with MP that it would’ve been nice to have liner notes, the way things are released digitally now makes it logistically tough but I’m curious what JP said to Portnoy when he asked as that has been a head scratcher to me as well. Feels like some of these are quickly slapped together without much thought. It’s awesome that Portnoy has some involvement now.




I'm sure, with the decline of physical media, they want to make the package as inexpensive as possible.  The more expensive vinyl releases, though, I would think could include liner notes, at least. 


Quote
Anyone know what mistakes he’s referring to? Sounds like some errors in the Mangini era releases.


More likely the stuff previously released under Ytsejam Records, as MP would have more knowledge about them.

Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on January 25, 2023, 11:24:03 AM
Like the When Dream and Day ReUnite CD having pics from the Octavarium tour inside. Even though the show was on the Train of Thought tour.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Mosh on January 25, 2023, 11:28:34 AM
The best way to handle some of this I think would be to make the albums available on bandcamp - they can post whatever they want in the album credits section and include a PDF with liner notes in the digital download. I assume a few years back when they posted some stuff on there it was a test run for something like this and they decided for whatever reason it wasn't going to work for them.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on January 25, 2023, 12:20:09 PM
https://blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-confirms-he-is-slightly-involved-in-dream-theaters-recently-launched-lost-not-forgotten-archives

Kind of interesting to hear Mike complain about DT again. To be clear, I think he is 100% right here. And while this was toned down from the things he used to say, I'm kinda surprised at how open he was about his annoyance.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on January 25, 2023, 01:33:27 PM
https://blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-confirms-he-is-slightly-involved-in-dream-theaters-recently-launched-lost-not-forgotten-archives

They are horrible.  That was clickbait.  I don't think Mike said ANYTHING controversial. It's a stone cold fact that there is little if any liner notes on the new releases, and some of the older Ytsejam releases had upwards of four or five pages of liner notes.  That's not controversial.

And I think we should be celebrating that Mike is working with the DT guys, even if it's not on new music.  Who thought that would ever happen again?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on January 25, 2023, 02:45:12 PM
https://blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-confirms-he-is-slightly-involved-in-dream-theaters-recently-launched-lost-not-forgotten-archives

They are horrible.  That was clickbait.  I don't think Mike said ANYTHING controversial. It's a stone cold fact that there is little if any liner notes on the new releases, and some of the older Ytsejam releases had upwards of four or five pages of liner notes.  That's not controversial.

And I think we should be celebrating that Mike is working with the DT guys, even if it's not on new music.  Who thought that would ever happen again?

After a few years, it did feel impossible, but once JP announced that Portnoy was drumming on his next solo album, I figured anything was possible. Hell, up til now, I think MP has recorded more in the new DT Studio than MM has, and that kind of tickles me to think that JP let Portnoy in there to record both his solo album AND LTE3 before DT ever recorded in there (for AVFTTOTW).

I'm glad to see that relationships have more or less been mended between Mike and the rest of the band, even JLB, so it's nice to see that this has extended to MP opening up his DT archives for new LNFA albums, especially since it seems like they were going to run out of YJR re-releases by the end of this year or so. There's only, what, 3 or 4 CD releases left to put back out, and a couple of videos? I guess if they wanted to, they could also put out the DTIFC albums but I feel like that definitely takes away from the specialness of those (and would tick me off because I paid a pretty penny for some of them over 15 years ago when I was hunting them down in the mid 00's).

I remember MP's goal was to release some documentation of every tour (or even tour leg) that DT had been on, so maybe that can finally be completed. Would still love to get the Rush Covers compilation that would've been next in the YJR series as well.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on January 25, 2023, 06:05:58 PM
https://blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-confirms-he-is-slightly-involved-in-dream-theaters-recently-launched-lost-not-forgotten-archives

They are horrible.  That was clickbait.  I don't think Mike said ANYTHING controversial.

How was that clickbait? It was a completely accurate headline. When you read the article it provided full context. It does not imply Mike's an asshole or anything. It literally quoted him verbatim and provided the background for why this is interesting.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on January 26, 2023, 06:32:58 AM
https://blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-confirms-he-is-slightly-involved-in-dream-theaters-recently-launched-lost-not-forgotten-archives

They are horrible.  That was clickbait.  I don't think Mike said ANYTHING controversial.

How was that clickbait? It was a completely accurate headline. When you read the article it provided full context. It does not imply Mike's an asshole or anything. It literally quoted him verbatim and provided the background for why this is interesting.

Technically, you're right, but Blabbermouth has a way of only showcasing the worst of Mike Portnoy. 
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on January 26, 2023, 07:13:01 AM
The best way to handle some of this I think would be to make the albums available on bandcamp - they can post whatever they want in the album credits section and include a PDF with liner notes in the digital download. I assume a few years back when they posted some stuff on there it was a test run for something like this and they decided for whatever reason it wasn't going to work for them.

But, part of this is for an easy profit too. Remember they started this in the middle of the pandemic went they weren’t touring and didn’t have signings cash flow coming in. They need to make money on it too.

https://blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-confirms-he-is-slightly-involved-in-dream-theaters-recently-launched-lost-not-forgotten-archives

Sometime he just can’t help himself. I don’t see how bringing that up does any good.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: devieira73 on January 26, 2023, 07:54:34 AM
https://blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-confirms-he-is-slightly-involved-in-dream-theaters-recently-launched-lost-not-forgotten-archives

They are horrible.  That was clickbait.  I don't think Mike said ANYTHING controversial.

How was that clickbait? It was a completely accurate headline. When you read the article it provided full context. It does not imply Mike's an asshole or anything. It literally quoted him verbatim and provided the background for why this is interesting.

Well, I also didn't see anything wrong or negative on it (despite Blabbermouth's bad reputation), I just brought it up because it has some interesting information about what we were discussing here.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on January 26, 2023, 08:52:30 AM
I'm hoping for the Awake in Japan show to appear here someday. Also, Jordan's first show at Foundations Forum.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on January 26, 2023, 09:27:49 AM
I'm hoping for the Awake in Japan show to appear here someday. Also, Jordan's first show at Foundations Forum.

These are both out there in pretty decent quality, no?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Skeever on January 26, 2023, 09:41:06 AM
I think Mike is spot-on.

As a physical release, these have just not been very appealing to me.

Big issue is, indeed, they lack linear notes, artwork, and context.
2nd issue is even the top-level kaleidoscope artwork just feels uninspired to me. Everything looks the same, aside from general color palette, which is "samey". It's hard to discern one item from the next.

Right way to do this (for me) would be:

1.) Obviously, all the music.
2.) Mike's original notes and perhaps expanded notes as a boon for people who already bought once.
3.) Bigger/better prints of the pictures and other content from the booklets. Maybe a poster?
4.) Retain/approve the original artwork
5.) Different formats. Bluray/Vinyl/etc.

That'd be the way, IMO, to do a physical release in 2023.
It's nice to have this on Tidal as a curiosity, but so far what I'm seeing has totally failed to grab me as someone who would potentially collect some of these.
But not surprising, since we haven't really gotten compelling reissues/rereleases of even their classic, beloved works.

Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on January 26, 2023, 09:52:07 AM
I'm hoping for the Awake in Japan show to appear here someday. Also, Jordan's first show at Foundations Forum.

These are both out there in pretty decent quality, no?

I've seen the youtube videos for the Japan show and they're good but I'd love to have them in full audio quality. Haven't seen anything from the Foundations show, but I'm not a bootleg collector or anything close, only the official live albums, YJR/LNF titles and the occasional fan club release. Maybe there are soundboard recordings out there? :eek
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Bluefish on January 26, 2023, 04:26:01 PM
Just listened to the MSG show. Mike talked too much during the songs, IMO.

I'm just laughing they actually left them in there. Well, at least we know they're not cutting out anything with these recordings.  :lol

Agree.  I can see where that would be a source of irritation for James while trying to sing.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on January 26, 2023, 09:03:41 PM
I'm hoping for the Awake in Japan show to appear here someday. Also, Jordan's first show at Foundations Forum.
These are both out there in pretty decent quality, no?
I've seen the youtube videos for the Japan show and they're good but I'd love to have them in full audio quality. Haven't seen anything from the Foundations show, but I'm not a bootleg collector or anything close, only the official live albums, YJR/LNF titles and the occasional fan club release. Maybe there are soundboard recordings out there? :eek
Is there any doubt? Of course there are. You might be amazed at how much stuff (including soundboards and broadcasts) are already in circulation. You just have to do a little digging.

And for that reason, I would rather they choose to release other shows instead of those specific ones. Of course, they ended up releasing the 2015 Wacken show despite it already being widely in circulation (and video!), so it's quite possible they still could. But given that any new MP-era releases will be channeled through MP, I expect he'll have the foresight to select shows that aren't in circulation.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: James Mypetgiress on January 27, 2023, 08:17:03 AM
I have a DVD boot of the Awake in Japan show I picked up in like 2010. I play it more than a lot of my official releases. Really, really good set and James was on incredible form that evening.
I can see it getting a LNF release eventually, and would be down to pick it up just to have it on vinyl tbh.
I think I also have a CD copy of the "Who is that On the Keys" boot from Foundations - it's not fantastic quality tho. Think it would be cool to get a soundboard copy of that just for what it now means for DT history.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on January 27, 2023, 08:48:38 AM
I'm hoping for the Awake in Japan show to appear here someday. Also, Jordan's first show at Foundations Forum.
These are both out there in pretty decent quality, no?
I've seen the youtube videos for the Japan show and they're good but I'd love to have them in full audio quality. Haven't seen anything from the Foundations show, but I'm not a bootleg collector or anything close, only the official live albums, YJR/LNF titles and the occasional fan club release. Maybe there are soundboard recordings out there? :eek
Is there any doubt? Of course there are. You might be amazed at how much stuff (including soundboards and broadcasts) are already in circulation. You just have to do a little digging.

And for that reason, I would rather they choose to release other shows instead of those specific ones. Of course, they ended up releasing the 2015 Wacken show despite it already being widely in circulation (and video!), so it's quite possible they still could. But given that any new MP-era releases will be channeled through MP, I expect he'll have the foresight to select shows that aren't in circulation.

I just have no clue where to get stuff like that :-\

Though I'm much more interested in just getting the best live version of each song for each DT lineup so far. I'm working on making playlists for all of them, including as many tracks as I can :tup
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on January 27, 2023, 09:48:39 AM
I just have no clue where to get stuff like that :-\

Though I'm much more interested in just getting the best live version of each song for each DT lineup so far. I'm working on making playlists for all of them, including as many tracks as I can :tup

Oh. That's fun. I'll be doing that now.  :tup

Edit: Do you have To Live Forever and Metropolis 2004 with Charlie in their own playlist? :laugh:
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: jimgolf on January 27, 2023, 12:44:52 PM
To comment on the mike portnoy observations about the releases, I do miss the notes/artwork that came in the original cds. It was very cool and added a lot to the releases. That being said, I’m very grateful the band is rereleasing these at all and they are readily available on streaming services to the wide audience of fans that have never heard them before. The one thing I do hope they rerelease is the 2002 Bucharest show - one of my favorite shows with one of the best DT setlists  :metal
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on January 27, 2023, 01:57:06 PM
I just have no clue where to get stuff like that :-\

Though I'm much more interested in just getting the best live version of each song for each DT lineup so far. I'm working on making playlists for all of them, including as many tracks as I can :tup

Oh. That's fun. I'll be doing that now.  :tup

Edit: Do you have To Live Forever and Metropolis 2004 with Charlie in their own playlist? :laugh:

My original idea was to make just one big DT live playlist with the best version of every song, but there's a lot of great stuff out there, I couldn't decide what to leave out. I don't have any Charlie DT playlists, but that version of Metropolis is one of my all time favorites :tup
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: KevShmev on January 27, 2023, 02:09:49 PM
On the one hand, Portnoy griping about the liner notes is probably a reminder to the band of why he is good to keep at arms length now. Give him an inch (letting him being semi-involved with the bootlegs) and he is already complaining a little about what they aren't doing that he used to do.

On other other hand, it's indicative of how no current member has his attention to detail when it comes to stuff like that, as I feel that releasing this stuff without the liner notes and whatnot seems...lazy.  For as grating as Portnoy's personality is in general, I agree with his overall point.

Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on January 27, 2023, 02:42:58 PM
I've been wondering if the "cheapness" of these LNFA releases has to do with Inside Out not wanting to produce overly lavish packages for these albums. Not printing booklets or multi-panel digipaks cuts down on production costs.

I also wonder if the band were afraid to use Mike's liner notes for the YJR albums because they would feel compelled to compensate him for his words and using them on new releases? I'm not sure if relations between JP/the band and Mike were as good as they are now (post-Terminal Velocity) when they started to get the ball rolling on the LNFA albums.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Kwyjibo on January 27, 2023, 03:03:23 PM
I don't think that they sell a large amount of physical copies for each release, so cutting down production costs makes absolute sense.

But nonetheless some liner notes or background information would've been nice.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Samsara on January 27, 2023, 04:10:22 PM
On the one hand, Portnoy griping about the liner notes is probably a reminder to the band of why he is good to keep at arms length now. Give him an inch (letting him being semi-involved with the bootlegs) and he is already complaining a little about what they aren't doing that he used to do.

On other other hand, it's indicative of how no current member has his attention to detail when it comes to stuff like that, as I feel that releasing this stuff without the liner notes and whatnot seems...lazy.  For as grating as Portnoy's personality is in general, I agree with his overall point.

I think MP saying something about the liner notes is important. Very important. HE was the quality control in the band. And to be frank, the QC has sucked since he has left. It doesn't really impact anything music-wise. But as someone who appreciates correct logos and basically the right information and care being given to things, I always applaud MP on that stuff.

The only reason I just bought the MSG show is because MP handled it. I have the other MP-era official bootlegs from Ytsejam. I did not purchase any of this Lost Not Forgotten series until MP said he was finally involved. And he should be.

However this band is going to go in the future, MP is one of the core reasons why DT has had success. He's also the band's historian. I'm really glad he's involved in this. Maybe one day, he can reunite with the band on stage, as a guest, or if Mangini decides to stop, as a member. But having MP involved, and fences being mended, to this old school fan, means a lot.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on January 27, 2023, 04:55:24 PM
I just have no clue where to get stuff like that :-\
It doesn't take much effort. Just do a search for dimeadozen and/or Guitars 101 to get started.   ;)
 
 
On the one hand, Portnoy griping about the liner notes is probably a reminder to the band of why he is good to keep at arms length now. Give him an inch (letting him being semi-involved with the bootlegs) and he is already complaining a little about what they aren't doing that he used to do.
In all fairness, he's really just expressing how he feels about the lack of his notes and artwork. I guess you could call that complaining, but it hardly is in my book.
 
 
I've been wondering if the "cheapness" of these LNFA releases has to do with Inside Out not wanting to produce overly lavish packages for these albums. Not printing booklets or multi-panel digipaks cuts down on production costs.
Does it really though? I haven't priced things out, but I would tend to think it would cost much more to produce digipaks (which I hate!) instead of a simple 4/8 page booklet and tray card, and putting them in a jewel case. The heavier card stock used for printing the "cover" of digipaks would be a big cost, plus having to glue the tray after printing and folding would (I imagine) cost more than printing a booklet and tray card on normal paper, folding, stitching (if 8 pages) and inserting into jewel cases.
 
 
I also wonder if the band were afraid to use Mike's liner notes for the YJR albums because they would feel compelled to compensate him for his words and using them on new releases? I'm not sure if relations between JP/the band and Mike were as good as they are now (post-Terminal Velocity) when they started to get the ball rolling on the LNFA albums.
I've wondered about why those liner notes were missing too, and while I've never asked (and therefore never gotten an answer from the band), I imagine it has to do with the fact that MP is no longer in the band and in their opinions, it would've looked weird having their former drummer writing those notes. It would also obligate them to write liner notes for at least some of the newer releases, too. So by not including any liner notes, they sidestep that whole issue, even if it leaves questions for those not in the know.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on January 27, 2023, 05:57:45 PM
On the one hand, Portnoy griping about the liner notes is probably a reminder to the band of why he is good to keep at arms length now. Give him an inch (letting him being semi-involved with the bootlegs) and he is already complaining a little about what they aren't doing that he used to do.

On other other hand, it's indicative of how no current member has his attention to detail when it comes to stuff like that, as I feel that releasing this stuff without the liner notes and whatnot seems...lazy.  For as grating as Portnoy's personality is in general, I agree with his overall point.

I agree. But most bands of their stature and legacy just hire some type of archivist to handle things like that. You don’t need an ex-band member for that. Hell even paying some people on here (SetlistScotty) would do that.

Now, I realize Mike has access to everything band related while he was in DT, and that’s great to have him involved to supply that stuff. But like he said in that interview, having him go over the credits and photos.  You can have staff for that.  His liner notes add a personal touch, but all of that info could be handled without him. JP, JM and JLB (1991- )were in the studio too.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: EPIC Outro on January 27, 2023, 06:54:34 PM
I hope the band doesn't get upset with Mike for sharing his feelings. I can see his criticisms not going over so well with the guys... But at the same time, he is absolutely right. Those liner notes are gold, and add much needed context.

Maybe he or the other DT guys can just throw a couple of paragraphs about each of these LNF releases up on a website? I can't imagine that would be too time consuming, and it would be way better than releasing these with no context at all.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: KevShmev on January 28, 2023, 07:42:42 AM
On the one hand, Portnoy griping about the liner notes is probably a reminder to the band of why he is good to keep at arms length now. Give him an inch (letting him being semi-involved with the bootlegs) and he is already complaining a little about what they aren't doing that he used to do.

On other other hand, it's indicative of how no current member has his attention to detail when it comes to stuff like that, as I feel that releasing this stuff without the liner notes and whatnot seems...lazy.  For as grating as Portnoy's personality is in general, I agree with his overall point.

I think MP saying something about the liner notes is important. Very important. HE was the quality control in the band. And to be frank, the QC has sucked since he has left. It doesn't really impact anything music-wise. But as someone who appreciates correct logos and basically the right information and care being given to things, I always applaud MP on that stuff.

The only reason I just bought the MSG show is because MP handled it. I have the other MP-era official bootlegs from Ytsejam. I did not purchase any of this Lost Not Forgotten series until MP said he was finally involved. And he should be.

However this band is going to go in the future, MP is one of the core reasons why DT has had success. He's also the band's historian. I'm really glad he's involved in this. Maybe one day, he can reunite with the band on stage, as a guest, or if Mangini decides to stop, as a member. But having MP involved, and fences being mended, to this old school fan, means a lot.

While I have no doubt that he is happy to have repaired his personal relationships with the current members of the band, my gut feeling is that Portnoy is playing the long game.  Dream Theater and Mike Portnoy are both approaching the back end of their careers (both can see the 18th hole in the distance now), and I think he wants back in before it's all said and done so it can all come full circle and the band gets what he considers a proper ending and he has a big hand in making it happen a certain way.  Reaching out and making amends to James last year was the first step towards that end.  And now, by agreeing to help with some of the bootlegs, he is doing the "ex-member who wants to be helpful" thing, which doesn't get him back in, but makes him a part of the family again to where his presence isn't so "what is HE doing here?", like it would have been years ago.  That is why I was a bit surprised that he said what he said about the liner notes, as he comes off like the Portnoy of the 00s where he does it all and no one else in the band cares about the little things (true or not, that doesn't mean saying it is often wise), but a leopard obviously cannot change its spots.

On the one hand, Portnoy griping about the liner notes is probably a reminder to the band of why he is good to keep at arms length now. Give him an inch (letting him being semi-involved with the bootlegs) and he is already complaining a little about what they aren't doing that he used to do.

On other other hand, it's indicative of how no current member has his attention to detail when it comes to stuff like that, as I feel that releasing this stuff without the liner notes and whatnot seems...lazy.  For as grating as Portnoy's personality is in general, I agree with his overall point.

I agree. But most bands of their stature and legacy just hire some type of archivist to handle things like that. You don’t need an ex-band member for that. Hell even paying some people on here (SetlistScotty) would do that.

Now, I realize Mike has access to everything band related while he was in DT, and that’s great to have him involved to supply that stuff. But like he said in that interview, having him go over the credits and photos.  You can have staff for that.  His liner notes add a personal touch, but all of that info could be handled without him. JP, JM and JLB (1991- )were in the studio too.

True, but if there are no liner notes at all, that means the band isn't giving it to anyone on the staff to take care of.  Trust me, I am anything but a Mike Portnoy apologist, but if he and some fans are frustrated with the band's seemingly lazy approach to this kind of stuff on the new bootleg releases, I totally get it.  I remember buying the first LTE album, and the whole long story in the liner notes by Portnoy about how the band came to be was such a great read.  Little stuff like that is always great to get as a fan. 
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on January 28, 2023, 09:54:18 AM
I realize they aren’t giving it to anyone now. I’m saying they could accomplishment all of this without having to get MP and really without having to do that much themselves.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ytserush on January 28, 2023, 02:30:16 PM
https://blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-confirms-he-is-slightly-involved-in-dream-theaters-recently-launched-lost-not-forgotten-archives

I think Mike's 100 percent right  I just hope he doesn't get burned by his involvement.
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Post by: ytserush on January 28, 2023, 02:36:17 PM
https://blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-confirms-he-is-slightly-involved-in-dream-theaters-recently-launched-lost-not-forgotten-archives

They are horrible.  That was clickbait.  I don't think Mike said ANYTHING controversial. It's a stone cold fact that there is little if any liner notes on the new releases, and some of the older Ytsejam releases had upwards of four or five pages of liner notes.  That's not controversial.

And I think we should be celebrating that Mike is working with the DT guys, even if it's not on new music.  Who thought that would ever happen again?

I thought it was clickbait too and deleted that line from my post because I didn't want to give the platform oxygen but since you mentioned it the article was designed to get clicks which isn't really news either.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ytserush on January 28, 2023, 02:48:18 PM
To comment on the mike portnoy observations about the releases, I do miss the notes/artwork that came in the original cds. It was very cool and added a lot to the releases. That being said, I’m very grateful the band is rereleasing these at all and they are readily available on streaming services to the wide audience of fans that have never heard them before. The one thing I do hope they rerelease is the 2002 Bucharest show - one of my favorite shows with one of the best DT setlists  :metal

Kind of going off topic but....

Larger point is I'm not sure streaming services really care about the correct information or context so having the right information may not matter. How can you be even be sure which version of a song you're hearing on these platforms? Band name and song seems to be the thing that seems to matter and sometimes that's not even correct.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ytserush on January 28, 2023, 02:58:03 PM
I've been wondering if the "cheapness" of these LNFA releases has to do with Inside Out not wanting to produce overly lavish packages for these albums. Not printing booklets or multi-panel digipaks cuts down on production costs.

I also wonder if the band were afraid to use Mike's liner notes for the YJR albums because they would feel compelled to compensate him for his words and using them on new releases? I'm not sure if relations between JP/the band and Mike were as good as they are now (post-Terminal Velocity) when they started to get the ball rolling on the LNFA albums.

-Marc.

Almost nobody buys CDs anymore. I'm sure that has a lot to do with it. I'm kind of surprised they're flooding the market with vinyl though which costs a lot more to produce than CDs and not many people comparatively buy those either.

Most of the work has already been done on these recordings so I think you're right that the investment on these is pretty low and that ultimately streaming might eventually be the priority here.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ytserush on January 28, 2023, 03:06:05 PM
On the one hand, Portnoy griping about the liner notes is probably a reminder to the band of why he is good to keep at arms length now. Give him an inch (letting him being semi-involved with the bootlegs) and he is already complaining a little about what they aren't doing that he used to do.

On other other hand, it's indicative of how no current member has his attention to detail when it comes to stuff like that, as I feel that releasing this stuff without the liner notes and whatnot seems...lazy.  For as grating as Portnoy's personality is in general, I agree with his overall point.



I agree. But most bands of their stature and legacy just hire some type of archivist to handle things like that. You don’t need an ex-band member for that. Hell even paying some people on here (SetlistScotty) would do that.

Now, I realize Mike has access to everything band related while he was in DT, and that’s great to have him involved to supply that stuff. But like he said in that interview, having him go over the credits and photos.  You can have staff for that.  His liner notes add a personal touch, but all of that info could be handled without him. JP, JM and JLB (1991- )were in the studio too.


Mike was essentially the band's on staff archivist and I think that was one aspect that essentially burned him out of the band. As long as he doesn't get himself burned doing it I can think of know one else better suited for the job.

Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on January 30, 2023, 07:19:51 AM
On the one hand, Portnoy griping about the liner notes is probably a reminder to the band of why he is good to keep at arms length now. Give him an inch (letting him being semi-involved with the bootlegs) and he is already complaining a little about what they aren't doing that he used to do.

On other other hand, it's indicative of how no current member has his attention to detail when it comes to stuff like that, as I feel that releasing this stuff without the liner notes and whatnot seems...lazy.  For as grating as Portnoy's personality is in general, I agree with his overall point.

I think MP saying something about the liner notes is important. Very important. HE was the quality control in the band. And to be frank, the QC has sucked since he has left. It doesn't really impact anything music-wise. But as someone who appreciates correct logos and basically the right information and care being given to things, I always applaud MP on that stuff.

The only reason I just bought the MSG show is because MP handled it. I have the other MP-era official bootlegs from Ytsejam. I did not purchase any of this Lost Not Forgotten series until MP said he was finally involved. And he should be.

However this band is going to go in the future, MP is one of the core reasons why DT has had success. He's also the band's historian. I'm really glad he's involved in this. Maybe one day, he can reunite with the band on stage, as a guest, or if Mangini decides to stop, as a member. But having MP involved, and fences being mended, to this old school fan, means a lot.

It HAS affected the music though; there are two releases (three, depending on how you count) where songs were inexplicably left off, leaving the show less than complete.   Mike wouldn't do that (remember when he snuck the snippet of I think it was Space Truckin' on the end of the live Flying Colors release to make sure everyone had EVERY song played by the band on that tour?)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on January 30, 2023, 07:22:20 AM
To comment on the mike portnoy observations about the releases, I do miss the notes/artwork that came in the original cds. It was very cool and added a lot to the releases. That being said, I’m very grateful the band is rereleasing these at all and they are readily available on streaming services to the wide audience of fans that have never heard them before. The one thing I do hope they rerelease is the 2002 Bucharest show - one of my favorite shows with one of the best DT setlists  :metal

Kind of going off topic but....

Larger point is I'm not sure streaming services really care about the correct information or context so having the right information may not matter. How can you be even be sure which version of a song you're hearing on these platforms? Band name and song seems to be the thing that seems to matter and sometimes that's not even correct.

They do not, which is why I'm one of the apparent few who DOES still buy CDs.
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Post by: Mladen on January 30, 2023, 07:41:36 AM
I don't get the impression that Portnoy "complained" about the liner notes. He expressed his emotions and thoughts on the issue with diplomacy and respect to his friends and former bandmates. It was handled in a fine way and didn't come across as moaning. To me, at least.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: JeopardousRaven on January 30, 2023, 10:16:19 AM
To comment on the mike portnoy observations about the releases, I do miss the notes/artwork that came in the original cds. It was very cool and added a lot to the releases. That being said, I’m very grateful the band is rereleasing these at all and they are readily available on streaming services to the wide audience of fans that have never heard them before. The one thing I do hope they rerelease is the 2002 Bucharest show - one of my favorite shows with one of the best DT setlists  :metal


Yeah it's awesome that they're making these essential parts of DT history widely available again but it kind of feels like they're doing the bare minimum. The liner notes and the cool album art really made them feel special and you could tell Mike put a lot of effort into them. They're currently lacking some of the 'soul' that the original YtseJam releases had. The Bucharest '02 show is essential and I'm surprised they haven't rereleased it yet considering it's the only official recording of the 6DOIT tour. I've also got LA '98 and Toyko '95 on my wishlist.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on January 30, 2023, 10:38:50 AM
I don't get the impression that Portnoy "complained" about the liner notes. He expressed his emotions and thoughts on the issue with diplomacy and respect to his friends and former bandmates. It was handled in a fine way and didn't come across as moaning. To me, at least.

Agreed, I feel like MP was just saying what fans have been saying for awhile, and MP is a fan first in many regards. He's just saying what he thinks most fans would want in these LNFA releases, and he's not wrong.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on January 30, 2023, 11:24:57 AM
Does it really though? I haven't priced things out, but I would tend to think it would cost much more to produce digipaks (which I hate!) instead of a simple 4/8 page booklet and tray card, and putting them in a jewel case. The heavier card stock used for printing the "cover" of digipaks would be a big cost, plus having to glue the tray after printing and folding would (I imagine) cost more than printing a booklet and tray card on normal paper, folding, stitching (if 8 pages) and inserting into jewel cases.


I don't have any hard figures, but I can't imagine anyone choosing those crappy digipaks if jewel cases were cheaper.  I remember the fan club cd's coming with booklets and tray inlays, but omitting the actual jewel case.  Which tells me that the jewel cases were a greater expense, either because of the material cost, added shipping cost, or both.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Kwyjibo on January 30, 2023, 11:30:06 AM
There is much less plastic used in digipacks so I think they are cheaper in production, but that's just my guess, I don't have any hard proof either.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Samsara on January 30, 2023, 04:21:16 PM
re: Nobody buys CDs...

Correct, but there's an upsurge starting to happen. Goes in waves. Vinyl got a nice comeback, frankly, due to old fogeys now having money to burn and feeling nostalgic, and young people who don't know any better thinking it's cool to have a turntable and vinyl.

But...CDs, as the most economical physical media, which are way more reliable than vinyl or cassette, seem to be coming back in style. And I'm happy for that. I LOVE vinyl. But the cost is nuts for new vinyl today. And CDs are a way to get great sound, artwork, and a physical product. Looking forward to the pending resurgence. No hard proof here either, but I just get the sense from what I am seeing sold and talking to people. It's coming.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 30, 2023, 04:37:02 PM
That's the first I've heard of a CD resurgence.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Trav86 on January 30, 2023, 04:38:32 PM
That's the first I've heard of a CD resurgence.

Same.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on January 30, 2023, 04:42:43 PM
re: Nobody buys CDs...

Correct, but there's an upsurge starting to happen. Goes in waves. Vinyl got a nice comeback, frankly, due to old fogeys now having money to burn and feeling nostalgic, and young people who don't know any better thinking it's cool to have a turntable and vinyl.

But...CDs, as the most economical physical media, which are way more reliable than vinyl or cassette, seem to be coming back in style. And I'm happy for that. I LOVE vinyl. But the cost is nuts for new vinyl today. And CDs are a way to get great sound, artwork, and a physical product. Looking forward to the pending resurgence. No hard proof here either, but I just get the sense from what I am seeing sold and talking to people. It's coming.

I noticed several years ago that CDs were definitely going out because my local Best Buy, after they rearranged the store, seemingly got rid of ALL CDs in store, and I think they only have a small amount of vinyl last time I looked (although they may not even have a music section anymore). My local FYE in my mall also significantly shrunk their CD section and it was replaced with tons of vinyl.

The vinyl resurgence of the 2010s definitely diminished the sales of CDs in many stores, even at places like Wal-Mart and Target, both of which carry more vinyl than CDs these days, especially since many pop artists are putting their albums on vinyl (and it's usually easy to do so because it seems like many pop albums are under the 40-45 minute range, so single LPs are easier to stock).

I grew up in the CD generation, through the late 80s and 90s, I got into music via CDs and had many portable CD players I brought with me to school and on trips through high school and college. Unless something is only available on vinyl or digital, I always get the CD first, and until they phase them out, I always will.

Tying this back into the LFNA releases, part of me is glad that the new versions of older YJR releases aren't too much different. I still haven't heard/read any comparisons between LFNA and YJR that say the remastering is any great improvement or not, and since I don't listen to them that often anyway, it saves me time and money from buying them again.

There is much less plastic used in digipacks so I think they are cheaper in production, but that's just my guess, I don't have any hard proof either.

I'd believe that. I'm sure a lot of companies are trying to phase out jewel cases because digipaks are more environmentally friendly. I personally prefer mediabooks with their hardcover style front and back and the glued-in booklet in the middle. If they arrive in pristine condition, they're so beautiful to look at and feel very premium, and generally still fit on most CD shelves.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Willthescout7 on January 31, 2023, 03:11:25 AM
I personally still use CDs. I've purchased over 500 to add to my collection. Also hate digipacks, feel cheap and are easier to damage while displaying them.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 31, 2023, 06:59:18 AM
CDs are my preferred physical media, and I'm glad they are around.  However, I rarely buy any these days.  Streaming is just too convenient.

Having said that, I was at a concert last week with my youngest, with a band they like a lot.  It was a fun show, and they were selling several CDs (only $7 each), and the frontman said explicitly that they make more money from one CD sale than from some ridiculous amount of Spotify streams.  So for that price, and because it was a fun show, I bought a couple of CDs that I may or may not ever listen to, and they were ecstatic about it.  It was cute.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on January 31, 2023, 07:56:50 AM
Does it really though? I haven't priced things out, but I would tend to think it would cost much more to produce digipaks (which I hate!) instead of a simple 4/8 page booklet and tray card, and putting them in a jewel case. The heavier card stock used for printing the "cover" of digipaks would be a big cost, plus having to glue the tray after printing and folding would (I imagine) cost more than printing a booklet and tray card on normal paper, folding, stitching (if 8 pages) and inserting into jewel cases.
I don't have any hard figures, but I can't imagine anyone choosing those crappy digipaks if jewel cases were cheaper.  I remember the fan club cd's coming with booklets and tray inlays, but omitting the actual jewel case.  Which tells me that the jewel cases were a greater expense, either because of the material cost, added shipping cost, or both.
As someone who was involved with the fan clubs and some of the CDs (I was the one who came up with the title "Taste the Memories" for the 2002 CD), I can tell you for a fact that the reason no jewel case was supplied was to minimize shipping costs more than anything else, although cutting out the cost of jewel cases did help. Just remember that it's not *that* expensive to purchase jewel cases in bulk - especially back then. The higher shipping costs and packaging required for shipping were more costly.
 
 
There is much less plastic used in digipacks so I think they are cheaper in production, but that's just my guess, I don't have any hard proof either.
There may be less plastic, but purchased in bulk, I don't think the expense for digipak trays is that much less. OTOH, don't forget that much heavier card-stock type paper has to be used for digipaks *and* the trays need to be glued as opposed to inserted, which I imagine is a greater expense.
 
 
I'm sure a lot of companies are trying to phase out jewel cases because digipaks are more environmentally friendly.
They may claim they are more environmentally friendly, but I seriously question that. Broken jewel case? Toss the case (or just even part of it) in the recycling bin and get a new one. Broken or damaged digipak? You're either stuck or you have to buy a new copy (which you can be sure record companies would be more than happy to have happen). And if you toss the digipak packaging, you can't really put it in the recycling since the paper and plastic are glued together.
 
 
I personally prefer mediabooks with their hardcover style front and back and the glued-in booklet in the middle. If they arrive in pristine condition, they're so beautiful to look at and feel very premium, and generally still fit on most CD shelves.
Fully agree with you there Marc.  :tup
 
 
That's the first I've heard of a CD resurgence.
https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/14/22976557/cd-sales-increase-2021-recording-industry-association-of-america

Make of that what you will...
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Post by: cramx3 on January 31, 2023, 08:20:29 AM
That's the first I've heard of a CD resurgence.
https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/14/22976557/cd-sales-increase-2021-recording-industry-association-of-america

Make of that what you will...

hmm.  It's something.  Cool, the last point about is the big reason why I will occassionally buy a CD even though I really don't have much desire to collect the physical product (unless I think I can get it signed, which I plan to do for ProgPower again this year)

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Plus there’s the sense that more of your money is going directly to an artist, rather than the pennies offered per play by streaming corporations.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on February 03, 2023, 10:24:08 AM
Finally got my Madison Square Garden cd. I refused to listen to it until I had the physical copy.

Some thoughts:

-Man, I forgot how not good the sound is on soundboard sometimes. It was almost jarring. By Mid way through the first song my ears adjusted and it wasn't a thing. Kind of like with WDADU, it doesn't really bother me after a few minutes.

-Man, I do not miss Mike backing vocals. Hearing his mumble droning on As I Am took me out of it.

-Finally get AROP live! I take back what I said about Mike vocals (sort of). They were near perfect in this song and actually needed to be turned up in the chorus. I get why James didn't sing the higher part but it's such a cool melody that somebody needs to.

-Cool minor alterations to home. Man they were on fire that night.

-Constant Motion is one of my favs and now we finally have two good live versions along with Live at Wacken. Mike's vocals were good on this. They sucked on Chaos in Motion. Mike kinda ruins it by making a weird side comments to Jordan.

-Panic Attack...I'd be more forgiving of Mike's quip if he didn't just do a totally out of place one last song.

-Pull Me Under. Perhaps their best version yet? If ever there was a time and a place to bring out their most popular song which is largely responsible for their breakthrough success, this is it.



Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on February 06, 2023, 07:09:09 PM
Still thinking about how great it would be (to me) if they released Mangini's entire audition through the LNFA. You have 3 song performances, one riff oriented jam (what ended up being used for the audition DVD intro menu) and the full version of the open jam Take This for the Pain.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on February 06, 2023, 07:13:53 PM
Still thinking about how great it would be (to me) if they released Mangini's entire audition through the LNFA. You have 3 song performances, one riff oriented jam (what ended up being used for the audition DVD intro menu) and the full version of the open jam Take This for the Pain.

I agree.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on February 07, 2023, 07:05:15 AM
I got my copy of MSG over the weekend.  I'm loving it.  Other than Mike's mic sometimes being out of balance with the rest of the band (a soundboard problem) I've got little to complain about. The band is on fire, the music is energetic, and James sounds great. 
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 07, 2023, 07:14:13 AM
I got my copy of MSG over the weekend.  I'm loving it.  Other than Mike's mic sometimes being out of balance with the rest of the band (a soundboard problem) I've got little to complain about. The band is on fire, the music is energetic, and James sounds great.
It's a great performance and great recording, no doubt.  I just wish I liked the setlist more.

But hey, that's on me, not the band!  They play their asses off here, for sure!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Paddies on February 09, 2023, 04:10:51 PM
The Distance Over Time demos are on Spotify in The Netherlands by now.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: jonny108 on February 09, 2023, 06:48:23 PM
Just had a listen through to the DoT demos.  Good fun!

They are instrumental demos if anyone was wondering, not sure why they weren't titled as such (as the ToT ones were).  Brings me hope they will bring out other demos from the MM era albums. 
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on February 09, 2023, 06:51:37 PM
Any noticeable changes or different sections that got left off?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on February 09, 2023, 07:04:55 PM
Just had a listen through to the DoT demos.  Good fun!

They are instrumental demos if anyone was wondering, not sure why they weren't titled as such (as the ToT ones were).

More LNF inconsistencies  ::)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: jonny108 on February 09, 2023, 07:39:27 PM
Any noticeable changes or different sections that got left off?

Not from what I can remember on first listen. A lot more hi-hat and cymbal work from MM in the breaks but because he's counting the rest of the band with the metronome I presume.

Nothing out of the ordinary.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: cminor on February 10, 2023, 12:46:45 AM
I also had a quick listen this morning.

3 things I noticed:
● I feel like Jordan's keys are a bit more present in the mix (which is a good thing!)
● No extended jam at the end of At Wit's End  :-\
● The big melodic g minor guitar solo in Barstool Warrior is completely different
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 10, 2023, 01:17:07 AM
You know, listening to these Demos makes me kind of wish that the band would just record an album with no additional tracks. These demos sound more huge because of how prominent the keyboards and the bass are in the mix. Paralyzed sounds even more heavier here due to this. But, man, having JR's keys this high in the mix makes a huge difference in how these songs sound.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: devieira73 on February 10, 2023, 05:02:03 AM
I'm digging a lot this release! I think there are some keyboards parts that  aren't in the final recordings, like in the beggining of Falling into the Light. Out of Reach sounds a bit different overall, with more acoustic guitars (edit: in fact, more piano in the intro). Barstool Warrior has JP doing different melodies as already pointed out. Also, there's a lot of improvisation by MM in songs like Room 137, S2N and Pale Blue Dot - this one has a  different drum solo in the middle of the song. All the differences are more in the details, but are noticeable and really cool.
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Post by: ReaPsTA on February 10, 2023, 10:02:34 AM
Really enjoying this. Good sound quality and lively performances.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: devieira73 on February 10, 2023, 12:01:41 PM
You know, listening to these Demos makes me kind of wish that the band would just record an album with no additional tracks. These demos sound more huge because of how prominent the keyboards and the bass are in the mix. Paralyzed sounds even more heavier here due to this. But, man, having JR's keys this high in the mix makes a huge difference in how these songs sound.

For the albums, I think it's ok (in fact, I do prefer) to add something to enhance the arrangements. But live, totally this. If anything else, these demos just prove that DT can still sound HUGE live without any backing tracks.
The drums on these demos are souding so organic, really nice! Even the hi-hats are sounding sometimes too much loud!
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 10, 2023, 12:40:37 PM
After listening to it, one of the biggest differences I noticed is JR's parts. I noticed that there's sections where he also incorporates a melody that later becomes the vocal melody, while he plays a more atmospheric sound instead on the actual album.

Out of Reach sounds amazing here. It's almost like a FII type of situation with regards to tone and atmosphere, like how Anna Lee has a different tone and atmosphere as a demo than it does on the actual album.
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on February 10, 2023, 01:03:05 PM
After listening to it, one of the biggest differences I noticed is JR's parts. I noticed that there's sections where he also incorporates a melody that later becomes the vocal melody, while he plays a more atmospheric sound instead on the actual album.

Out of Reach sounds amazing here. It's almost like a FII type of situation with regards to tone and atmosphere, like how Anna Lee has a different tone and atmosphere as a demo than it does on the actual album.

That's awesome. I love the album version so I'm psyched to hear the differences. My copy arrives tomorrow
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Post by: devieira73 on February 10, 2023, 01:40:47 PM
@Ben_Jamin: Out of Reach caught my attention immediatly, really good as an alternative version!
Agreed on JR's parts :tup
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Post by: EPIC Outro on February 10, 2023, 03:37:58 PM

This version of Fall into the Light absolutely slays.
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Post by: NoFred on February 10, 2023, 07:03:49 PM
Yeah this one is awesome.

Took four years but suddenly Paralyzed :metal
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Post by: nobloodyname on February 11, 2023, 03:28:37 AM
Yeah, this version of Paralyzed is much more interesting.
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Post by: Trav86 on February 11, 2023, 08:27:20 AM
This new one is pretty cool. I find them more enjoyable than the TOT and Awake demos. I agree with everyone else on the keyboards. You can definitely see how Jordan is writing a ton of the vocal melodies.
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Post by: Nel on February 11, 2023, 08:53:00 AM
It feels like they have five different people in charge of naming these releases and none of them talk to each other.  :lol
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Post by: Trav86 on February 11, 2023, 02:20:56 PM
It feels like they have five different people in charge of naming these releases and none of them talk to each other.  :lol

But that’s what makes it fun. Every release is a surprise!
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Post by: Pettor on February 13, 2023, 05:51:11 AM
The new D/T demos are quite cool! Mostly interesting to hear what Petrucci talked about; how the demos was played together and even solos wasn't finished but just some temporary stuff to finish of later, like Barstool.

I really wish Spotify could categorize these differently however since they bloat the albums view a lot. If they release a new album it will honestly be hard to find between all the bootlegs. Right now I have to scroll quite a bit to get to albums I want without searching for them.
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on February 13, 2023, 02:06:55 PM
The demos are killer. Practically sounds like album quality. I see what people were saying about the keyboards. So many cool sounds I've never noticed or they decided not to do on the final release. I had a moment where I was thinking the mix of DoT should be more like this and then I remembered how happy I was with the album mix. Just wish there was some stories behind the writing included in the liner notes.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 14, 2023, 06:28:42 AM
It was a fun listen, but I can't imagine listening very often.
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Post by: nikatapi on February 14, 2023, 06:55:14 AM
I feel like the demos are the most interesting ones in general, really enjoyed this release.
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Post by: gzarruk on February 14, 2023, 07:35:55 AM
It was a fun listen, but I can't imagine listening very often.

This is my take as well. Enjoyed my listen, but won't be coming back to them anytime soon.
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Post by: TAC on February 16, 2023, 06:53:51 AM
Do we know what the next release is going to be? Apologies if I missed it.
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Post by: gzarruk on February 16, 2023, 08:39:17 AM
Do we know what the next release is going to be? Apologies if I missed it.

Making of FII, coming in April. https://dream-theater.lnk.to/LNFA-TheMakingOfFalling-Into-Infinity-1997
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Post by: TAC on February 16, 2023, 09:44:57 AM
Thank you.
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on February 16, 2023, 11:36:29 AM
Do we know what the next release is going to be? Apologies if I missed it.

Making of FII, coming in April. https://dream-theater.lnk.to/LNFA-TheMakingOfFalling-Into-Infinity-1997

One of my least favorites. If you think the demo series doesn't have very much relistenability, you're in for a one and done listen.

The SFaM making of was better with the liner notes and also really hearing a progression of some songs mixed in with some killer vocal demos by Petrucci.

This one has a few interesting moments and that's it.

Wonder what's after that one
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Post by: Stadler on February 16, 2023, 11:42:11 AM
The Making Of FII is kind of lame; I have two versions of that already.  The Director's Cut of FII, on the other hand, is essential listening, IMO.
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Post by: ZirconBlue on February 16, 2023, 11:44:34 AM
Do we know what the next release is going to be? Apologies if I missed it.

Making of FII, coming in April. https://dream-theater.lnk.to/LNFA-TheMakingOfFalling-Into-Infinity-1997 (https://dream-theater.lnk.to/LNFA-TheMakingOfFalling-Into-Infinity-1997)

One of my least favorites. If you think the demo series doesn't have very much relistenability, you're in for a one and done listen.

The SFaM making of was better with the liner notes and also really hearing a progression of some songs mixed in with some killer vocal demos by Petrucci.

This one has a few interesting moments and that's it.

Wonder what's after that one


The Making of SFaM also has the full album original mixes on the second disc.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 16, 2023, 11:45:56 AM
Do we know what the next release is going to be? Apologies if I missed it.

Making of FII, coming in April. https://dream-theater.lnk.to/LNFA-TheMakingOfFalling-Into-Infinity-1997

One of my least favorites. If you think the demo series doesn't have very much relistenability, you're in for a one and done listen.
All the rest have been one and dones.  I don't expect anything different on this one.
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Post by: pg1067 on February 16, 2023, 11:55:55 AM
The Making Of FII is kind of lame; I have two versions of that already.  The Director's Cut of FII, on the other hand, is essential listening, IMO.

Is that a real thing or something you cobbled together from the actual album, the demos and COTC?


I think the making of SFAM is fantastic and a lot of fun.  RIP Bongo.
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Post by: Stadler on February 16, 2023, 12:19:22 PM
The Making Of FII is kind of lame; I have two versions of that already.  The Director's Cut of FII, on the other hand, is essential listening, IMO.

Is that a real thing or something you cobbled together from the actual album, the demos and COTC?


I think the making of SFAM is fantastic and a lot of fun.  RIP Bongo.

It was a Ytsejam release.  The Official Bootleg, Falling Into Infinity Demos 1996-1997 (https://www.discogs.com/release/2611209-Dream-Theater-Official-Bootleg-Falling-Into-Infinity-Demos-1996-1997)
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Post by: gzarruk on February 16, 2023, 12:47:29 PM
Those two "making of" titles are the least interesting things they're offering besides the cover series which I don't care about either... BUT, they're re-releasing the whole YJR catalog, so these had to come at some point anyway.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 16, 2023, 03:38:40 PM
I would be interested in hearing a "Making Of" of The Astonishing. And also include an instrumental version of the album. That's a lot, but I also wouldn't mind if they released an Instrumental Demo of The Astonishing through this label.

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Post by: EPIC Outro on February 16, 2023, 03:44:52 PM
I wonder if The Making of Scenes and the Scenes Original Mixes will be split up as two separate releases this time around.
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Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on February 17, 2023, 10:21:19 PM
I wonder if The Making of Scenes and the Scenes Original Mixes will be split up as two separate releases this time around.

Interesting thought. I could definitely see that happening just to get another month out of the old releases. They could do the same separating Dark Side of the Moon with the Saucerful of Floyd bonus disc.
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on February 18, 2023, 06:42:33 AM
I’m pretty much only in this to hear extended AWE jamming. I’m assuming it’s probably a bit longer and doesn’t do a fade out just to fade back in.

You would be wrong then.  :-\ They even do the fade thing in the demo
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Post by: RaiseTheKnife on February 18, 2023, 01:05:58 PM
I would be interested in hearing a "Making Of" of The Astonishing. And also include an instrumental version of the album. That's a lot, but I also wouldn't mind if they released an Instrumental Demo of The Astonishing through this label.

The Astonishing novel came with stems featuring 6 demos and rough drafts of Gift of Music and 4 completely unused song ideas.  Interesting to check out, especially to see if the unused ideas will ever end up in an official track down the road.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 18, 2023, 02:48:17 PM
I would be interested in hearing a "Making Of" of The Astonishing. And also include an instrumental version of the album. That's a lot, but I also wouldn't mind if they released an Instrumental Demo of The Astonishing through this label.

The Astonishing novel came with stems featuring 6 demos and rough drafts of Gift of Music and 4 completely unused song ideas.  Interesting to check out, especially to see if the unused ideas will ever end up in an official track down the road.

Yup, I have the novel and I have heard them. It would be neat to hear them work on the themes of the album, and hear how those formed into the different songs.
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on February 21, 2023, 01:09:17 PM
So the Making of FIi is an April release and there's nothing announced yet for May. I wonder if it'll be a new Portnoy curated release.

If they do release the Making of SFAM with the alternate mix and the mastering is improved, I may double dip. Anybody with the originals feel the sound lacked (not just the mix)?
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Post by: pg1067 on February 21, 2023, 01:20:28 PM
So the Making of FIi is an April release and there's nothing announced yet for May. I wonder if it'll be a new Portnoy curated release.

If they do release the Making of SFAM with the alternate mix and the mastering is improved, I may double dip. Anybody with the originals feel the sound lacked (not just the mix)?

I think the making of SFAM is awesome, and it never really occurred to me to fuss over the sound quality of JP doing (hilariously) crappy vocals on TSCO while being accompanied by Bongo the dog.
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Post by: gzarruk on February 21, 2023, 01:34:28 PM
I'd like to see the bonus tracks from the Bucharest DVD (excerpts from their show in Mexico City 2002) available as a separate release too, but I'm not too positive about that.
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on February 21, 2023, 01:42:53 PM
So the Making of FIi is an April release and there's nothing announced yet for May. I wonder if it'll be a new Portnoy curated release.

If they do release the Making of SFAM with the alternate mix and the mastering is improved, I may double dip. Anybody with the originals feel the sound lacked (not just the mix)?

I think the making of SFAM is awesome, and it never really occurred to me to fuss over the sound quality of JP doing (hilariously) crappy vocals on TSCO while being accompanied by Bongo the dog.

That's legendary. No qualms about that. I think the original mix of the album needed a better mastering job though
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Post by: JeopardousRaven on February 21, 2023, 02:12:23 PM
So the Making of FIi is an April release and there's nothing announced yet for May. I wonder if it'll be a new Portnoy curated release.

Speaking of which, isn't it a bit strange that they haven't announced what the next release will be? Seems like they typically announce the next release within a day or so of the current month's official release. Maybe we'll find out in March since we're still about three months away instead of the usual 2 month window between announcement and release? Anyways, I'd love a drop from the Portnoy Archives. Obviously a full show from the BC&SL tour is a big want for a lot of people but I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a full show from the Chaos in Motion tour. There's a lot of stuff they played on that tour that didn't make it onto CiM 2007-2008 like Misunderstood, Never Enough, Erotomania, and Voices. They could also release one of the shows they did for the Images and Words 15th Anniversary since James sounded incredible on those shows.
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Post by: Bluefish on February 21, 2023, 02:21:59 PM
So still no word on the Images and Words demo U.S. release?
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Post by: Stadler on February 21, 2023, 02:43:52 PM
So the Making of FIi is an April release and there's nothing announced yet for May. I wonder if it'll be a new Portnoy curated release.

If they do release the Making of SFAM with the alternate mix and the mastering is improved, I may double dip. Anybody with the originals feel the sound lacked (not just the mix)?

I mean this in the nicest way, simply as a counterpoint, but honestly I never had any issues with the sound of the Ytsejam releases.  They aren't big production, big label releases, and for me they sound just fine.
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on February 21, 2023, 09:47:47 PM
So the Making of FIi is an April release and there's nothing announced yet for May. I wonder if it'll be a new Portnoy curated release.

If they do release the Making of SFAM with the alternate mix and the mastering is improved, I may double dip. Anybody with the originals feel the sound lacked (not just the mix)?

I mean this in the nicest way, simply as a counterpoint, but honestly I never had any issues with the sound of the Ytsejam releases.  They aren't big production, big label releases, and for me they sound just fine.

But the SFAM alternate Mixes were supposed to be the big production, big label release. That's the only one I'm talking about. The rest are fine for what they are
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Post by: Stadler on February 22, 2023, 06:30:09 AM
So the Making of FIi is an April release and there's nothing announced yet for May. I wonder if it'll be a new Portnoy curated release.

If they do release the Making of SFAM with the alternate mix and the mastering is improved, I may double dip. Anybody with the originals feel the sound lacked (not just the mix)?

I mean this in the nicest way, simply as a counterpoint, but honestly I never had any issues with the sound of the Ytsejam releases.  They aren't big production, big label releases, and for me they sound just fine.

But the SFAM alternate Mixes were supposed to be the big production, big label release. That's the only one I'm talking about. The rest are fine for what they are

Gotcha; that's my bad, I missed that part!  :).  Sorry.
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Post by: Stadler on February 27, 2023, 02:48:04 PM
Really digging the Distance Over Time Demos.   Mangini hasn't ever sounded so good (in Dream Theater anyway).  Love that organic sound.  The first part of "Out Of Reach" is just gorgeous.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 01, 2023, 08:29:59 AM
Really digging the Distance Over Time Demos.   Mangini hasn't ever sounded so good (in Dream Theater anyway).  Love that organic sound.  The first part of "Out Of Reach" is just gorgeous.
That's true.  He sounds great.
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Post by: RaiseTheKnife on March 04, 2023, 11:58:10 PM
Wacken, Madison Square Garden and Distance Over Time Demos CDs arrived today.  All 3 are good. 

Wacken has a nice thick, rich mix - and it's interesting to hear Jordan's take on some of Derek's sounds and solos in Burning My Soul. 

Madison Square Garden has an unexpected reverb to the vocals - likely due to the massive size of the venue.  Like listening to DT from a new angle.  Interesting.

Distance Over Time demos as very cool mostly because they don't have the compressed/blocked sound of the final album. Mostly the same songs, but has a looser feel.  Just my thoughts.
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Post by: JeopardousRaven on March 08, 2023, 12:56:36 AM
Gave MSG 2010 a few good listens to day and jeez Mike, is it really necessary to yell "FUCK YEAH NEW YORK CITY" every 5 minutes? I get that it was their first time ever playing at the actual MSG but it seems like he got a little overexcited. Also what happens at 2:37 in Constant Motion where he yells something to Jordan? It sounds almost like MP was scolding him. I'm impressed LaBrie didn't lose his place in the song since they were singing co-lead vocals. Other than that it's a pretty good release, very fast-paced and heavy.
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 08, 2023, 02:49:39 AM
Gave MSG 2010 a few good listens to day and jeez Mike, is it really necessary to yell "FUCK YEAH NEW YORK CITY" every 5 minutes? I get that it was their first time ever playing at the actual MSG but it seems like he got a little overexcited. Also what happens at 2:37 in Constant Motion where he yells something to Jordan? It sounds almost like MP was scolding him.

He says, "hey Jordan! That's Madison Square Garden out there, man!"

So, not scolding but also probably the most annoying of all his "interruptions" that night.
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Post by: Stadler on March 08, 2023, 06:16:50 AM
I didn't find it that distracting.  I think he did it maybe four times?  And I think he explained why at the end: three kids formed a band 25 years ago with that as the dream, and they achieved it.  More power to them.
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 08, 2023, 11:51:45 AM
I didn't find it that distracting.  I think he did it maybe four times?  And I think he explained why at the end: three kids formed a band 25 years ago with that as the dream, and they achieved it.  More power to them.

The others weren't as bad. I thought "I come from Long Beach Long Island!" was funny after "is it something to do with where I come from?"

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Post by: Weymolith on March 09, 2023, 01:09:31 PM
My FII demos vinyl finally arrived today after ordering in April of 2022.

They really need to get up to speed with distribution.
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Post by: EPIC Outro on March 09, 2023, 05:01:53 PM

You should post some pics of that vinyl set - I was considering getting that one as well.
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 09, 2023, 06:26:52 PM
My FII demos vinyl finally arrived today after ordering in April of 2022.

They really need to get up to speed with distribution.

Yes they do buuuuuuut I think this is a problem everywhere at this point. 11 months is definitely on the high end of delays though  :-[
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Post by: gzarruk on March 16, 2023, 09:45:01 AM
Still no news about May's release? :-[
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Post by: BRGM on March 17, 2023, 06:35:58 AM
Still no news about May's release? :-[

https://www.lasercd.com/search_results?fulltext=Lost%20not%20forgotten&sort_by=sell_price&sort_order=DESC

Seems to be When Dream and Day Unite Demos :coolio
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 17, 2023, 08:23:24 AM
Still no news about May's release? :-[

https://www.lasercd.com/search_results?fulltext=Lost%20not%20forgotten&sort_by=sell_price&sort_order=DESC

Seems to be When Dream and Day Unite Demos :coolio

Nice! My original had a mastering error and a few tracks have this weird static. My LTE official bootlegs have something similar. This is the only one I'm double dipping on.
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Post by: ZirconBlue on March 17, 2023, 08:34:55 AM
Still no news about May's release? :-[

https://www.lasercd.com/search_results?fulltext=Lost%20not%20forgotten&sort_by=sell_price&sort_order=DESC (https://www.lasercd.com/search_results?fulltext=Lost%20not%20forgotten&sort_by=sell_price&sort_order=DESC)

Seems to be When Dream and Day Unite Demos :coolio



Nice! My original had a mastering error and a few tracks have this weird static. My LTE official bootlegs have something similar. This is the only one I'm double dipping on.




Are there any vocals on these demos, or are they all instrumental?
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Post by: Max Kuehnau on March 17, 2023, 09:05:49 AM
No there are vocal demos on there too (some that are entirely instrumental too of course)
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Post by: gzarruk on March 17, 2023, 09:58:44 AM
Still no news about May's release? :-[

https://www.lasercd.com/search_results?fulltext=Lost%20not%20forgotten&sort_by=sell_price&sort_order=DESC

Seems to be When Dream and Day Unite Demos :coolio

Nice! Thank you :tup

I really like the '89 version of A Vision with Charlie that comes with this one.
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Post by: ZirconBlue on March 17, 2023, 12:04:07 PM
No there are vocal demos on there too (some that are entirely instrumental too of course)


OK.  I might have to check them out that.  Thanks!
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 17, 2023, 01:37:33 PM
This one is honestly one of my favorites. It has instrumentals, some vocal stuff such as To Live Forever, most of WDADU and their little Christmas "ep" that they gave to family and friends. Be sure to read the liner notes on discogs. Fascinating stuff. https://www.discogs.com/release/2906646-Dream-Theater-Official-Bootleg-When-Dream-And-Day-Unite-Demos-1987-1989
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Post by: EPIC Outro on March 17, 2023, 03:33:14 PM

"A Vision" on this release is one of my favs.
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Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on March 17, 2023, 11:50:17 PM
Nice! I'll have to re-listen to my Ytsejam release of this. This is the last Demo Series re-releases! One step closer to only having new releases!

I agree with the others:  "A Vision" is awesome.
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 18, 2023, 10:13:42 AM
I agree also. That and Your Majesty I think are the two best never recorded properly DT songs
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Post by: Cool Chris on March 18, 2023, 11:28:06 AM
I believe A Vision is the only one of those songs I ever cared to listen to more than once.
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Post by: lucasembarbosa on March 18, 2023, 06:38:20 PM
Hope it includes the Golden Slumbers / Carry That Weight / The End Medley!
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 20, 2023, 09:28:55 AM
A Vision might be the best of those oldest songs.

Which means it is not all that good.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: JeopardousRaven on April 07, 2023, 08:57:25 AM
So it looks like with the WDaDU demos, we'll have gotten the last of the LNF demos (unless we're getting more Mangini-era demos). The original YtseJam catalogue consisted of:

Demo Series:
-WDaDU Demos
-Images and Words Demos
-Awake Demos
-FII Demos
-ToT Demos

Live Series:
-LA 1998
-Tokyo 1995
-WDaDRU
-Old Bridge 1996
-NYC 1993
-Bucharest 2002
-Santiago 2005

Studio Series:
-Making of FII
-Making of SFaM

Cover Series:
-Master of Puppets
-Number of the Beast
-Made in Japan
-Dark Side of the Moon
-Uncovered 2003-2005

(Strikethrough indicates releases that have been rereleased through LNF Archives)

New for Lost Not Forgotten Archives:
-Images and Words 2017
-ADToE Soundboards (technically Happy Holidays)
-...And Beyond 2017
-Berlin 2019
-Wacken 2015
-Madison Square Garden 2010
-Distance Over Time Demos


I'm surprised how far behind they are with the original YtseJam live releases considering they're generally what the fans like the most, although it makes sense that they would wait to release them to keep people invested in the LNF Archives. I'm also looking forward to whatever MP is gonna give us from his archives (hopefully full shows from the CiM and BC&SL tours). I'm curious if there's any chance of them rereleasing the International Fan Club CDs. There was some cool stuff from those like the Prog Nation 2008 release with live versions of Misunderstood and Repentance.

Finally, what else can we expect for live releases from the Mangini-era? I'm thinking an Astonishing Tour show and a Top of the World Tour show are definitely in the cards. For the Top of the World Tour, should they release a show from 2022 or 2023? Or do a compilation album instead of just one show so we get all the songs they've played from both years? Either way, I wouldn't expect a release from this tour until at least 2024. There's a few other cool shows they've done like High Voltage 2011 that they could release.
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Post by: The Letter M on April 07, 2023, 09:19:21 AM
So it looks like with the WDaDU demos, we'll have gotten the last of the LNF demos (unless we're getting more Mangini-era demos). The original YtseJam catalogue consisted of:

Demo Series:
-WDaDU Demos
-Images and Words Demos
-Awake Demos
-FII Demos
-ToT Demos

Live Series:
-LA 1998
-Tokyo 1995
-WDaDRU
-Old Bridge 1996
-NYC 1993
-Bucharest 2002
-Santiago 2005

Studio Series:
-Making of FII
-Making of SFaM

Cover Series:
-Master of Puppets
-Number of the Beast
-Made in Japan
-Dark Side of the Moon
-Uncovered 2003-2005

(Strikethrough indicates releases that have been rereleased through LNF Archives)

New for Lost Not Forgotten Archives:
-Images and Words 2017
-ADToE Soundboards (technically Happy Holidays)
-...And Beyond 2017
-Berlin 2019
-Wacken 2015
-Madison Square Garden 2010
-Distance Over Time Demos


I'm surprised how far behind they are with the original YtseJam live releases considering they're generally what the fans like the most, although it makes sense that they would wait to release them to keep people invested in the LNF Archives. I'm also looking forward to whatever MP is gonna give us from his archives (hopefully full shows from the CiM and BC&SL tours). I'm curious if there's any chance of them rereleasing the International Fan Club CDs. There was some cool stuff from those like the Prog Nation 2008 release with live versions of Misunderstood and Repentance.

Finally, what else can we expect for live releases from the Mangini-era? I'm thinking an Astonishing Tour show and a Top of the World Tour show are definitely in the cards. For the Top of the World Tour, should they release a show from 2022 or 2023? Or do a compilation album instead of just one show so we get all the songs they've played from both years? Either way, I wouldn't expect a release from this tour until at least 2024. There's a few other cool shows they've done like High Voltage 2011 that they could release.

Given how fairly successful AVFTTOTW was, especially with their Grammy-winning track "The Alien", I think they may do a full live concert video/album for the View tour as a proper release like Distant Memories. They'll have plenty of shows to choose from since this has been a pretty lengthy tour (at least it feels that way).

As far as other Demos, I could see them doing an Astonishing Demos if JP has any that he did before they recorded the album. I just wonder how much of their pre-session demos they actually have saved, or even instrumental demos from during their album sessions.

Of course, I would love to see more Pre-Mangini live shows from MP's archive, just to fill out the gaps in any DT collector's live collection, and I'm sure MP would like to see that as well. I think an Astonishing Show would be perfect for a LFNA release!

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ytserush on April 07, 2023, 12:13:26 PM
An Astonishing live show would be great.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: devieira73 on April 07, 2023, 12:59:53 PM
The AVFTTOTW tour is ending next month, right? So, if DT will release an official live Blu-Ray, they already filmed any show or planning to film one of the next? I didn't see anything about it.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: JeopardousRaven on April 07, 2023, 02:02:45 PM
The AVFTTOTW tour is ending next month, right? So, if DT will release an official live Blu-Ray, they already filmed any show or planning to film one of the next? I didn't see anything about it.

I believe they have stated they were planning to to some more US dates later this year.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: JeopardousRaven on April 17, 2023, 12:39:40 AM
Still no news about May's release? :-[

https://www.lasercd.com/search_results?fulltext=Lost%20not%20forgotten&sort_by=sell_price&sort_order=DESC

Seems to be When Dream and Day Unite Demos :coolio

For anyone who's been keeping track, when in the month do they typically announce the next release in the series? It looks like the last announcement was March 17 so I was hoping that today, April 17 would be the announcement of the next release. I've been checking the Century Media online store but nothing yet.  :\
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on April 17, 2023, 07:42:11 AM
Still no news about May's release? :-[

https://www.lasercd.com/search_results?fulltext=Lost%20not%20forgotten&sort_by=sell_price&sort_order=DESC

Seems to be When Dream and Day Unite Demos :coolio

For anyone who's been keeping track, when in the month do they typically announce the next release in the series? It looks like the last announcement was March 17 so I was hoping that today, April 17 would be the announcement of the next release. I've been checking the Century Media online store but nothing yet.  :\

Might be every month's third Friday, as March 17th was the third Friday, so we may not know if there's a June release til this Friday. They may also just skip a month. IIRC, they skipped October and November of 2021.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on April 17, 2023, 01:50:11 PM
They usually announce new titles a week after releasing one, so I was surprised/disappointed when they didn't say anything last friday. I really hope they don't take June off, as they just did that in March. I know there's still supply chain issues, specially for vinyl manufacturing, and that might play a big role here, but from a fan perspective it just sucks when they suddenly take months off with this considering that 1. they announced it as a monthly release and 2. not all releases are really worth getting (for me those would be the cover series or the making of, some demos, etc.).
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: goo-goo on April 17, 2023, 03:38:58 PM
The AVFTTOTW tour is ending next month, right? So, if DT will release an official live Blu-Ray, they already filmed any show or planning to film one of the next? I didn't see anything about it.

They way it looks, I don't think they will be filming a show from the A View tour, unless they film one of their Asian shows. I don't think it's worth to film one of the Dreamsonic shows to be honest since it's a short set, maybe one or two songs from the newest album, and the presentation is not going to be the same as the one from A View tour.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Bluefish on April 18, 2023, 12:31:05 PM
I hope the A Change Of Seasons from the Images, Words & Beyond Tour show in Tokyo sees the light of day at some point.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Bluefish on April 18, 2023, 12:33:14 PM
I hope the A Change Of Seasons from the Images, Words & Beyond Tour show in Tokyo sees the light of day at some point.

That sucks.  Do you have any idea how short their set will be?  I'm interested in Seeing Animals As Leaders and Devin Townsend, but I only bought tickets because Dream Theater is headlining.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: NoFred on April 18, 2023, 02:01:10 PM
I hope the A Change Of Seasons from the Images, Words & Beyond Tour show in Tokyo sees the light of day at some point.

That sucks.  Do you have any idea how short their set will be?  I'm interested in Seeing Animals As Leaders and Devin Townsend, but I only bought tickets because Dream Theater is headlining.

Maybe if the set is short there will be enough room to append ACOS to a DreamSonic LNF release :)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on April 18, 2023, 06:09:31 PM
I hope the A Change Of Seasons from the Images, Words & Beyond Tour show in Tokyo sees the light of day at some point.

This AND Behind the Veil from Wacken 2015.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: JeopardousRaven on April 18, 2023, 07:12:36 PM
They usually announce new titles a week after releasing one, so I was surprised/disappointed when they didn't say anything last friday. I really hope they don't take June off, as they just did that in March. I know there's still supply chain issues, specially for vinyl manufacturing, and that might play a big role here, but from a fan perspective it just sucks when they suddenly take months off with this considering that 1. they announced it as a monthly release and 2. not all releases are really worth getting (for me those would be the cover series or the making of, some demos, etc.).

Well for what it's worth, I had a dream last night they announced the next release to be the final show with MP in Chiba, Japan 2010  :lol
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: andri_ab on April 26, 2023, 09:06:33 PM
Any suggestion for the most updated list of LNF release? I want to complete my collection.  I think I miss one or two of them..

Thanks,
-andri-
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Bluefish on May 17, 2023, 09:51:26 AM
Any idea what the next release will be?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on May 17, 2023, 11:49:41 AM
Any idea what the next release will be?

Apparently there won't be one for June, but they should be announcing something for July soon ???
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on May 17, 2023, 12:01:20 PM
I got my WDADU demos in the mail the other day. The only double dip I've actually done because my original ytsejam release had a few mastering defects towards the end of disc 2.

My Lazy Tomato LTE releases have them same sporadic static defect.

I'm no audiophile but I *think* the sound is ever so slightly improved on the LNF release. But if it is it is almost negligible.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 17, 2023, 12:44:42 PM
I got my WDADU demos in the mail the other day. The only double dip I've actually done because my original ytsejam release had a few mastering defects towards the end of disc 2.

My Lazy Tomato LTE releases have them same sporadic static defect.

I'm no audiophile but I *think* the sound is ever so slightly improved on the LNF release. But if it is it is almost negligible.
Has the static been removed? And is there any mention in the credits of any work being done?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 17, 2023, 01:09:57 PM
I got my WDADU demos in the mail the other day. The only double dip I've actually done because my original ytsejam release had a few mastering defects towards the end of disc 2.

My Lazy Tomato LTE releases have them same sporadic static defect.

I'm no audiophile but I *think* the sound is ever so slightly improved on the LNF release. But if it is it is almost negligible.
Has the static been removed? And is there any mention in the credits of any work being done?
Credits?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: goo-goo on May 17, 2023, 01:35:37 PM
Discogs says the LNF WDADU demos release was Mastered at FineTune Mastering.

https://www.finetune.nl/

The original YTSEJAM release was mastered by Doug Oberkircher

Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: JeopardousRaven on May 17, 2023, 09:38:49 PM
Any idea what the next release will be?

Apparently there won't be one for June, but they should be announcing something for July soon ???

I'm hoping we get one tomorrow. They have a pattern of announcing a new release on the 3rd or 4th Thursday of the month. It's not a perfect pattern but it happens fairly frequently.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on May 19, 2023, 08:00:09 AM
Hope they also get to the Fan Club releases at some point. There's a few things that already were incorporated to the YJR/LNFA catalog, but there's still about 10 other releases that are worth making available here.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TheRich13 on May 22, 2023, 10:42:15 AM
I’m up to date on all the LNF releases, and am wondering what the next release will be …I would like a full live recording of one of the Astonishing shows , I would hope there is one …I know I’m not in the majority of people that like this album , but I loved the live show and although it’s definitely different, I totally appreciate the work that went into that album …
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on May 22, 2023, 08:57:01 PM
I’m up to date on all the LNF releases, and am wondering what the next release will be …I would like a full live recording of one of the Astonishing shows , I would hope there is one …I know I’m not in the majority of people that like this album , but I loved the live show and although it’s definitely different, I totally appreciate the work that went into that album …

I'd be down for a DVD of an Astonishing live show - I remember the performance having some interesting story visuals.  Be nice to have that memorialized in a product.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on May 23, 2023, 10:08:29 AM
I’m up to date on all the LNF releases, and am wondering what the next release will be …I would like a full live recording of one of the Astonishing shows , I would hope there is one …I know I’m not in the majority of people that like this album , but I loved the live show and although it’s definitely different, I totally appreciate the work that went into that album …

I'd be down for a DVD of an Astonishing live show - I remember the performance having some interesting story visuals.  Be nice to have that memorialized in a product.

Yeah...as much as I don't like TA, I might buy a DVD of a TA show to see if that changes my opinion.  I would, however, have less than zero interest in a CD of a live show.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on May 23, 2023, 10:27:16 AM
Well, they didn't film any of the shows, so there won't be any live videos for it. I'd gladly take just the audio, though.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on May 24, 2023, 06:25:00 AM
Well, they didn't film any of the shows, so there won't be any live videos for it. I'd gladly take just the audio, though.

Is that true?  I thought there was video of a couple shows. Not sure where I heard that, though, so I can't really justify that belief.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on May 24, 2023, 08:22:46 AM
Well, they didn't film any of the shows, so there won't be any live videos for it. I'd gladly take just the audio, though.

Is that true?  I thought there was video of a couple shows. Not sure where I heard that, though, so I can't really justify that belief.

IIRC, there's not one interview where they explicitly say "we didn't film any show", but from bits of info here and there that's what we unofficially know. I think Bosk also said something along the lines of the band wishing to record it in _____ city, but it just never happened. They do record audio for all their shows, so they could just make a "best from the TA tour" kind of thing, and I'd get that immediately.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on May 24, 2023, 12:44:59 PM
I agree with PG1067, I'd mostly be interested in a video of the show, not audio.  But if no such thing exists, we'll just have to stick with our lived memory of the show, like many stage shows do.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Fonzie on May 25, 2023, 03:17:15 AM
I started off just getting a couple of these

Damn, I’m at 15 and counting…

OCD collector completion syndrome

Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Chino on May 25, 2023, 06:00:35 AM
I'd love a LNF version of The Astonishing, audio or video. If not for any reason other than getting the proper outro to A New Beginning. 

I Loved TA, and it really blows that we didn't a get DVD of that tour considering some of the other shows they recorded in the years prior. It's an extra kick in the nuts given how few fan videos there are of that tour (no camera policy). I could have sworn when I saw that show in CT there was a tri-pod mounted camera in the sound booth fixed on the stage. I'd be happy with just that footage.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on May 25, 2023, 06:51:08 AM
I'd love a LNF version of The Astonishing, audio or video. If not for any reason other than getting the proper outro to A New Beginning. 

I Loved TA, and it really blows that we didn't a get DVD of that tour considering some of the other shows they recorded in the years prior. It's an extra kick in the nuts given how few fan videos there are of that tour (no camera policy). I could have sworn when I saw that show in CT there was a tri-pod mounted camera in the sound booth fixed on the stage. I'd be happy with just that footage.

See, I recall that as well.  I don't know if that's where my recollection that they filmed some shows came from or not, but still. it surprises me greatly that a band that has such a DOCUMENTED history - even post-MP - doesn't have SOME footage of that.  I mean, they're fans of bands like GENESIS and YES, that famously toured double-album concepts and didn't film them to a legendary degree, it's almost incomprehensible that video footage of SOME kind doesn't exist. 
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on May 25, 2023, 07:47:43 AM
I think The Astonishing is their worst album by far. I actually left the concert halfway through which I have never done for any show let alone Dream Theater.

That said, I would buy an official bootleg of a TA show.

That's not saying much because I own them all short of double dipping for some Ytsejam/LNF.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Architeuthis on May 25, 2023, 08:47:06 AM
A live video of TA is about the only thing I'm interested in from the LNF archives. Even if it's audience shot footage.
It seems that the band and management have completely moved on from TA, so it will probably never happen. It's almost like the equivalent of trying to find the Ark of the Covenant.  It's either heavily guarded or has just vanished off the scene.  🤔
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Bluefish on May 25, 2023, 08:46:33 PM
OCD collector completion syndrome

Same.  I have all of them.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Bluefish on May 25, 2023, 08:48:40 PM
I think The Astonishing is their worst album by far. I actually left the concert halfway through which I have never done for any show let alone Dream Theater.

That said, I would buy an official bootleg of a TA show.

That's not saying much because I own them all short of double dipping for some Ytsejam/LNF.

The Astonishing is my least favorite Dream Theater album as well.  However, I did see them five times on that tour.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on May 26, 2023, 09:13:55 AM
I think The Astonishing is their worst album by far. I actually left the concert halfway through which I have never done for any show let alone Dream Theater.

That said, I would buy an official bootleg of a TA show.

That's not saying much because I own them all short of double dipping for some Ytsejam/LNF.

The Astonishing is my least favorite Dream Theater album as well.  However, I did see them five times on that tour.

Whoa! I wouldn't say it is my least favorite. I actually actively dislike it. I can't say that about any other DT album. I'm hoping one day I will all of the sudden "get it" and grow to love it.

Lamb Lies Down on Broadway is my least favorite Genesis album but I still like it and it goes over great live thanks to the tribute band Musical Box. I have very few good things to say about the Astonishing sadly
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on May 26, 2023, 10:22:44 AM
So, apparently there won't be a release for July either? They usually announce these things two months in advance, so it's a bummer there hasn't been any word about this for a while. Maybe these are the Lost And Forgotten Archives now? :P
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Architeuthis on May 26, 2023, 09:46:12 PM
To all you The Astonishing haters, quit posting!  You're not helping our cause to push for a live video release from that tour.   
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on May 27, 2023, 06:17:46 AM
Back to LNF... I'm not sure I would panic just yet.  There was a flurry of activity, and that could be for a number of reasons, including they did a batch of material to be released, and now have to work on the next batch.  They may also be collating sales numbers to see what makes the most sense to do next.  I'm not sure they could have - or SHOULD HAVE - sustained that monthly release pace, to be honest.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on May 27, 2023, 11:55:23 AM
To all you The Astonishing haters, quit posting!  You're not helping our cause to push for a live video release from that tour.

I don't think my hate plus my willingness to buy more is affecting their decision any way other than in a positive direction
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Architeuthis on May 27, 2023, 04:55:14 PM
To all you The Astonishing haters, quit posting!  You're not helping our cause to push for a live video release from that tour.

I don't think my hate plus my willingness to buy more is affecting their decision any way other than in a positive direction
Like you said earlier,  perhaps someday it will click if you listen to it at the right time.  I've had that happen many times.
I remember the first time I heard Yes' Close To The Edge, I didn't get it at all.  I listened to it again a few years later and was absolutely enamored by it.   
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on May 27, 2023, 07:49:20 PM
To all you The Astonishing haters, quit posting!  You're not helping our cause to push for a live video release from that tour.

I don't think my hate plus my willingness to buy more is affecting their decision any way other than in a positive direction
Like you said earlier,  perhaps someday it will click if you listen to it at the right time.  I've had that happen many times.
I remember the first time I heard Yes' Close To The Edge, I didn't get it at all.  I listened to it again a few years later and was absolutely enamored by it.

That's happened to me a ton of times. King Diamond's Abigail, Rush in general...even DT I didn't love right off the bat.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Weymolith on May 27, 2023, 09:40:25 PM
So, apparently there won't be a release for July either? They usually announce these things two months in advance, so it's a bummer there hasn't been any word about this for a while. Maybe these are the Lost And Forgotten Archives now? :P

They just came off a tour, and since they are working with MP for some of these now, he's currently on tour. Maybe they are just taking the summer off from releasing. The heat of shipping in the summer isn't kind to vinyl :)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: wolfking on May 28, 2023, 04:54:50 AM
To all you The Astonishing haters, quit posting!  You're not helping our cause to push for a live video release from that tour.

Shit, I better get spamming then about my thoughts on TA!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Architeuthis on May 28, 2023, 09:53:59 AM
To all you The Astonishing haters, quit posting!  You're not helping our cause to push for a live video release from that tour.

Shit, I better get spamming then about my thoughts on TA!  :biggrin:
Dude, you're on the path that divides!   Pull it together man!   :metal
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Cool Chris on May 29, 2023, 08:42:28 PM
I like TA reasonably well, and there is zero chance I would ever buy a live recording of it in any fashion.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Architeuthis on May 29, 2023, 09:28:55 PM
I like TA reasonably well, and there is zero chance I would ever buy a live recording of it in any fashion.
Well that's not very cool,,, Chris!  😁
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ytserush on June 18, 2023, 03:45:10 PM
I'd love a LNF version of The Astonishing, audio or video. If not for any reason other than getting the proper outro to A New Beginning. 

I Loved TA, and it really blows that we didn't a get DVD of that tour considering some of the other shows they recorded in the years prior. It's an extra kick in the nuts given how few fan videos there are of that tour (no camera policy). I could have sworn when I saw that show in CT there was a tri-pod mounted camera in the sound booth fixed on the stage. I'd be happy with just that footage.

Sign me up for anything they would make available on this tour. Audio, video....whatever. There has to be a least one soundboard somewhere.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ytserush on June 18, 2023, 03:49:18 PM
A live video of TA is about the only thing I'm interested in from the LNF archives. Even if it's audience shot footage.
It seems that the band and management have completely moved on from TA, so it will probably never happen. It's almost like the equivalent of trying to find the Ark of the Covenant.  It's either heavily guarded or has just vanished off the scene.  🤔

I jokingly refer to this tour as the Caress of Steel Tour. It's almost like they intentionally wanted it to be that way even if they didn't totally succeed due to a small band of fans.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on June 28, 2023, 03:33:31 PM
...Are these still forgotten?  ??? :-\
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Architeuthis on June 29, 2023, 06:58:01 PM
Ok I changed my mind.  I would buy this if it became available on LNF Archives.  Entire DT show 2022 multi-cam  in Chile. Great show at a beautiful venue. James sounds great and the band is really feeding off the large crowd!
https://youtu.be/GPuqgr9411Y
 :metal

I like how the crowd is singing along to the lead guitar in The Alien.  Then the annoying guy singing along to the whole song.  :lol 
The show gets better after that.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on June 29, 2023, 07:02:37 PM
Ok I changed my mind.  I would buy this if it became available on LNF Archives.  Entire DT show 2022 multi-cam  in Chile. Great show at a beautiful venue. James sounds great and the band is really feeding off the large crowd!
https://youtu.be/GPuqgr9411Y
 :metal

The same cannot be said for the guy filming it. :lol
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Architeuthis on June 29, 2023, 07:20:49 PM
Oh gosh completely!  :lol
The concert improves immensely after the first song..  Gotta love their spirit in South America.  I wish people in North America could appreciate DT like these guys do.   :coolio
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: JeopardousRaven on June 29, 2023, 09:17:01 PM
Ok I changed my mind.  I would buy this if it became available on LNF Archives.  Entire DT show 2022 multi-cam  in Chile. Great show at a beautiful venue. James sounds great and the band is really feeding off the large crowd!
https://youtu.be/GPuqgr9411Y
 :metal

I like how the crowd is singing along to the lead guitar in The Alien.  Then the annoying guy singing along to the whole song.  :lol 
The show gets better after that.

Labrie looks dope in that jacket. Awesome setlist as well, I think I slightly prefer the set from the 2022 shows vs the 2023 ones. I'd also enjoy a Happy Holidays-type release where it's just a compilation of every song from the tour as opposed to one single show.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on June 30, 2023, 05:58:02 AM
September 10, my birthday.  That sounds good.  A little far, though (I couldn't tell if the jacket was dope or not! Haha!).
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: MarceloMalulo on July 03, 2023, 04:27:07 PM
Ok I changed my mind.  I would buy this if it became available on LNF Archives.  Entire DT show 2022 multi-cam  in Chile. Great show at a beautiful venue. James sounds great and the band is really feeding off the large crowd!
https://youtu.be/GPuqgr9411Y
 :metal

I like how the crowd is singing along to the lead guitar in The Alien.  Then the annoying guy singing along to the whole song.  :lol 
The show gets better after that.

This one HAS TO BE on the LNFA. I have heard this is one of the best sounding concerts of DT here in Chile.
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Post by: Architeuthis on July 03, 2023, 08:17:21 PM
Agreed!  I watched this on my big screen TV by mirroring my phone through it. The quality gets lost by screen mirroring,  so I would much rather have a dvd/bluray of this show!
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Post by: jimgolf on July 19, 2023, 11:40:59 PM
I really would love to see a bluray release or HD streaming release(4k maybe? :corn) of the Score show. It's so overdue for the HD treatment and my DVD copy of score is almost a score old(see what I did there  ;D ). Plus, I would really like to see a rerelease of the Bucharest Show 2002 because it is my personal favorite DT show. Amazing setlist, amazing performance, it just has this magical energy to it. If there was a way they could release a bluray/dvd or maybe try to upscale it and clean up the audio it would be amazing. Heck, I would even settle for just releasing the audio to the show(but it would be a shame to miss out on the live performance because the band really gave a great performance that night).

As much as I love what they are doing with the Lost Not Forgotten, I really think most fans would be more psyched if they were unreleased performances (maybe from 2003-2007 when they rotated setlists and did a lot of random stuff and James sounded great). Plus, now that the band and Mike are on good terms, I would love to see the last performance of the band and him released which was shot at the Japanese Sonic Festival(forgive me if i forgot the exact name). They only released 2 songs, but I understand they filmed the entire show. What a great peace of DT treasure that performance would be.

I know it may be out of the question, but it would be cool if the next show they filmed was released in 4k/Dolby Vision/HDR/Atmos.  Or if they would go back and rerelease the blurays in 4k in physical and on streaming services. I think people would definitely buy them(I certainly would  :lol).

I don't mean for this to come across as complaining because I am very grateful for what the band has released and that the band has decided to continue with it. I just think theres a lot of cool stuff they could release that fan's would be really psyched to see and open their wallets for.  Mike has so much in his collection and I'd love to see some of those show recordings see the light of day...... pretty please  :hefdaddy
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Post by: gzarruk on July 20, 2023, 08:36:01 AM
I don't think they're planning any video (re)releases anytime soon from the LNFA, as some of the stuff that's already out has pro-shot footage (WDADR, Budokan 2017, Wacken 2015, etc.) and none of them have been offered in video formats. It seems they're mostly focusing on promoting vinyl, rather than this.

As for new stuff from the Portnoy archives, MP himself said that the MSG show was the first of several new titles he contributed, so those are coming... at some point. Now the question is when, since the last release was in May and they haven't announced anything new in months. I'm hoping that after DreamSonic ends, they'll resume production for this, as there are several titles from the original run they haven't rereleased yet (some of which are not too interesting anyway) and I imagine we won't be getting a bulk of new stuff until they finish with the originals first.
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Post by: JeopardousRaven on July 20, 2023, 07:22:16 PM
I'm hoping we'll get the next release announced in August. Bucharest 2002 is #1 on my wishlist, it's probably my favorite single setlist from any official live release. In terms of new releases, I'd enjoy something from the BC&SL, Astonishing, or AVFTTOTW tours as these are the only ones without an official release. A full show from the Chaos in Motion tour would also be appreciated, especially one with Misunderstood and Never Enough on it.

It's probably a long shot but I still want a full show from the 2015 festival tour they did. The Wacken release is OK but it's missing Caught in a Web, ACOS II, About to Crash, Wither, and Behind the Veil. Plus LaBrie isn't in top form on Wacken.
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Post by: gzarruk on August 10, 2023, 07:04:47 AM
The Making Of Scenes From a Memory - The Sessions coming October 6

https://www.amazon.com/Dream-Theater/dp/B0CD4DNFM5/ref=mp_s_a_1_33?keywords=Dream+Theater&qid=1691672444&s=music&sr=1-33
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Post by: Trav86 on August 10, 2023, 07:17:14 AM
I guess they’re not including the disc of David Bottrill mixes with it like they did on the YtseJam release?
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Post by: gzarruk on August 10, 2023, 07:52:13 AM
I guess they’re not including the disc of David Bottrill mixes with it like they did on the YtseJam release?

Apparently not. Hopefully they make it a separate release, but here we are still waiting for ACOS from Budokan and BTV from Wacken :lol
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Post by: pg1067 on August 10, 2023, 09:10:47 AM
I guess they’re not including the disc of David Bottrill mixes with it like they did on the YtseJam release?

Apparently not. Hopefully they make it a separate release

Yeah...some of those alternate mixes are better than what ended up on the album.
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Post by: The Letter M on August 10, 2023, 10:04:30 AM
I guess they’re not including the disc of David Bottrill mixes with it like they did on the YtseJam release?

Apparently not. Hopefully they make it a separate release

Yeah...some of those alternate mixes are better than what ended up on the album.

The version of SFAM I've listened to for over a decade now has been mostly the Botrill mixes with some ideas borrowed from the final album, like the closing scene with the driving home part. I also mixed the opening scene to crossfire into Regression and it turned out really nice.

-Marc.
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Post by: gzarruk on August 10, 2023, 10:23:03 AM
Never cared much about the alternate mixes, but now I'm really curious about them. Hoping these are released at some point, but like I said in my previous post, we still haven't got those missing tracks from already existing LNFA titles, so I'm not holding my breath on these :P

About editing my own version of some albums though, just like Marc, I really enjoy doing that. One clear example being Transatlantic's The Absolute Universe and making my own "Ultimate Edition" with my limited audio editing skills :lol
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Post by: Bluefish on August 10, 2023, 01:52:49 PM
Ok I changed my mind.  I would buy this if it became available on LNF Archives.  Entire DT show 2022 multi-cam  in Chile. Great show at a beautiful venue. James sounds great and the band is really feeding off the large crowd!
https://youtu.be/GPuqgr9411Y
 :metal

I like how the crowd is singing along to the lead guitar in The Alien.  Then the annoying guy singing along to the whole song.  :lol 
The show gets better after that.

I'd like that as well.

Labrie looks dope in that jacket. Awesome setlist as well, I think I slightly prefer the set from the 2022 shows vs the 2023 ones. I'd also enjoy a Happy Holidays-type release where it's just a compilation of every song from the tour as opposed to one single show.
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Post by: devieira73 on August 10, 2023, 02:40:13 PM
The SFAM alternate mixes are really cool to hear, since they have a bit more clarity of each instrument, but I think the Shirley mixes are better, because they are warmer and make you feel there's more connection between the instruments.
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Post by: JeopardousRaven on August 10, 2023, 03:00:20 PM
A disappointment but at least now we know it's not the Lost AND Forgotten series. Keeping my fingers crossed for Bucharest 2002 and Santiago 2005.
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Post by: gzarruk on August 10, 2023, 03:20:27 PM
A disappointment but at least now we know it's not the Lost AND Forgotten series. Keeping my fingers crossed for Bucharest 2002 and Santiago 2005.

This! Those two are my most anticipated of the series, besides newer stuff they have planned as well.
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Post by: Glasser on August 10, 2023, 03:42:08 PM
A disappointment but at least now we know it's not the Lost AND Forgotten series. Keeping my fingers crossed for Bucharest 2002 and Santiago 2005.

Totally agree on Bucharest 2002!
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Post by: devieira73 on August 10, 2023, 04:06:17 PM
Bucharest 2002 :hefdaddy
With the bonus songs :tup :tup
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Post by: TheRich13 on August 12, 2023, 10:00:33 AM
Just preordered the LNF Scenes sessions on Gold vinyl …
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Post by: Fonzie on August 15, 2023, 10:49:50 AM
It’s a slog
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Post by: cramx3 on August 15, 2023, 11:19:09 AM
A disappointment but at least now we know it's not the Lost AND Forgotten series. Keeping my fingers crossed for Bucharest 2002 and Santiago 2005.

Have those both on DVD, they are fantastic.  Hope they can get out there agina for those who would like to own them.
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Post by: Glasser on August 15, 2023, 01:48:34 PM
A disappointment but at least now we know it's not the Lost AND Forgotten series. Keeping my fingers crossed for Bucharest 2002 and Santiago 2005.

Have those both on DVD, they are fantastic.  Hope they can get out there agina for those who would like to own them.

Is the Bucharest audio out there anywhere? I would be all over that.
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Post by: The Letter M on August 15, 2023, 01:55:48 PM
A disappointment but at least now we know it's not the Lost AND Forgotten series. Keeping my fingers crossed for Bucharest 2002 and Santiago 2005.

Have those both on DVD, they are fantastic.  Hope they can get out there agina for those who would like to own them.

Is the Bucharest audio out there anywhere? I would be all over that.

AFAIK, only as unofficial audio rips from the original DVD, and not separately mastered for CDs.

-Marc.
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Post by: Glasser on August 15, 2023, 02:00:21 PM
A disappointment but at least now we know it's not the Lost AND Forgotten series. Keeping my fingers crossed for Bucharest 2002 and Santiago 2005.

Have those both on DVD, they are fantastic.  Hope they can get out there agina for those who would like to own them.

Is the Bucharest audio out there anywhere? I would be all over that.

AFAIK, only as unofficial audio rips from the original DVD, and not separately mastered for CDs.

-Marc.

Doesn't seem like they're releasing it so, where my friend?  :)
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Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on September 25, 2023, 02:11:18 PM
what is the deal with these? every couple weeks a new one pops up on spotify but aren't they old releases? are they just simply putting them on streaming or is there an element of remaster/remix here as well?

thanks!
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Post by: JeopardousRaven on September 26, 2023, 08:02:35 PM
what is the deal with these? every couple weeks a new one pops up on spotify but aren't they old releases? are they just simply putting them on streaming or is there an element of remaster/remix here as well?

thanks!

The Lost Not Forgotten Archives are a mixture of rereleases from the original YtseJam Records catalogue of releases as well as new, never released material. YtseJam Records was a project by Mike Portnoy which saw releases in four different categories: the Demo Series (album demos), Live Series (full live concerts from various points in the band's history), Cover Series (live cover performances of some of the band's favorite albums), and Studio series (making-of videos for different albums). It was basically a way of delivering cool and otherwise rare bootlegs to fans. Unfortunately, the YtseJam Records releases were discontinued after Portnoy left the band and the material was out of print, making these releases hard to access for fans who wanted a physical copy of any of the releases. The YtseJam Records catalogue was also not on streaming.

The Lost Not Forgotten Archives are essentially a continuation of the original YtseJam Records catalogue. Once a month (at least until recently), the band would release a new edition of the archives both physically and on streaming. It varies between rereleasing old YtseJam Records releases and dropping new content from the Mangini Era. Recently, it was announced that Portnoy would be supplying the LNFA with material from his own personal archives, the first of which being a show from 2010 of the band's first performance at Madison Square Garden.

Until this year, the LNFA had been releasing once per month with exceptions for months when Dream Theater was releasing other new content (such as their most recent studio album). However, this year has been a bit spotty, with only one new announcement since March. So to answer your question, the purpose of the LNFA is to make the original YtseJam catalogue more accessible to fans by releasing the content physically and on streaming, as well as to deliver new content from recent years to fans. I don't believe there has been any official confirmation of remastering/remixing by the band.
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Post by: ErHaO on September 27, 2023, 09:08:55 AM
Has there been any word on them ever doing a repress of their main albums?

With even niche bands like Seventh Wonder getting represses/vinyl releases, surely there is a market for DT? Pretty much all of the other artists I listen to have done some form of rereleases.
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Post by: pg1067 on September 27, 2023, 09:14:07 AM
Has there been any word on them ever doing a repress of their main albums?

I just did a quick spot check, and it looks like all of their studio albums are pretty readily available.  Why would anyone want to repress their own albums?  Self-censorship?
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Post by: Stadler on September 27, 2023, 09:15:47 AM
Has there been any word on them ever doing a repress of their main albums?

I just did a quick spot check, and it looks like all of their studio albums are pretty readily available.  Why would anyone want to repress their own albums?  Self-censorship?

I assumed "box set" type things like Fish did or that Rush is doing. I could be wrong, though.
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Post by: ZirconBlue on September 27, 2023, 09:22:42 AM
I don't believe there has been any official confirmation of remastering/remixing by the band.


They've been advertised as remastered, but, thus far, I don't think anyone has done any A/B comparisons to see if they actually sound any different.
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Post by: ZirconBlue on September 27, 2023, 09:23:23 AM
Has there been any word on them ever doing a repress of their main albums?

I just did a quick spot check, and it looks like all of their studio albums are pretty readily available.  Why would anyone want to repress their own albums?  Self-censorship?

I assumed "box set" type things like Fish did or that Rush is doing. I could be wrong, though.


Also, DT never jumped on the "remaster" train that a lot of bands have done over the years.
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Post by: ErHaO on September 28, 2023, 01:35:07 AM
Has there been any word on them ever doing a repress of their main albums?

I just did a quick spot check, and it looks like all of their studio albums are pretty readily available.  Why would anyone want to repress their own albums?  Self-censorship?

Sorry, I forgot to add vinyl to my post!

Yes, the CD's are indeed easily obtainable. But where I live the CD market is not really lively anymore, vinyl has been the main format for years. There are a lot of DT vinyls in just about every store, but all of them Lost Not Forgotten pressings, not the main albums. Pretty much all other bands I listed to have gotten repressings in recent years, from niche to large.

I did buy that 10 album DT CD box for 15 euros new recently though, so I own most of their albums on CD already.
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Post by: gzarruk on October 25, 2023, 09:58:03 AM
Hoping the recent developments don't mean we won't get some things like TA live or more MM era stuff.
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Post by: TAC on October 25, 2023, 10:07:30 AM
This should be good news for the LNF thing.
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Post by: JeopardousRaven on October 25, 2023, 10:26:35 AM
Yeah, I'm curious if MP's return is part of the recent delays in the series. Maybe he's revamping the series to bring it back to its former glory (detailed liner notes, accurate band photos, etc).
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Post by: devieira73 on October 25, 2023, 10:44:42 AM
One of the greatest aspects of Portnoy being back in DT is the we'll have again a truly fan/collector of music inside the band. I'm betting it will have an impact on next LNF releases and future shows setlists. I think we'll see at least some rotation, B-sides or less played songs , even not in the same 00's epic levels.
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Post by: Bluefish on November 14, 2023, 07:47:27 PM
Hoping the recent developments don't mean we won't get some things like TA live or more MM era stuff.

I'm not a fan of The Astonishing, but I like the other Mangini albums.  I would love and LNFA release from the last tour.
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 15, 2023, 09:20:46 AM
Yeah, I'm curious if MP's return is part of the recent delays in the series. Maybe he's revamping the series to bring it back to its former glory (detailed liner notes, accurate band photos, etc).

I wondered that too. Then again, if I was the type of fan that picked up the whole series with the weird kaleidoscope cover and they stopped 3 shy of re-releasing everything, I'd be a bit upset. I'm not that type of fan though and only picked up the new ones since I had all the others so it makes no difference to me.
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Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on November 15, 2023, 08:33:46 PM
Yeah, I'm curious if MP's return is part of the recent delays in the series. Maybe he's revamping the series to bring it back to its former glory (detailed liner notes, accurate band photos, etc).

I wondered that too. Then again, if I was the type of fan that picked up the whole series with the weird kaleidoscope cover and they stopped 3 shy of re-releasing everything, I'd be a bit upset. I'm not that type of fan though and only picked up the new ones since I had all the others so it makes no difference to me.

I can't imagine the return of MP does anything to halt this series completely. I assume once he's back into full on DT mode, these will start back up again. Might take some time, but it certainly can't be as long of a break like when he left (10 years!)

Here are the ones that haven't been re-released:
The Making of SFAM: The Alternate Mixes (Disc 2)
Tokyo '95
Los Angeles '98
The Dark Side of the Moon/A Saucerful of Floyd (Bonus disc)
Uncovered 2003-2005
Bucharest '02 (DVD)
Santiago '05 (DVD)

I personally think they dug themselves a hole releasing everything on vinyl. I'm convinced it's why they left off A Change of Seasons and Behind the Veil from their respective live albums. And probably why the other two live shows haven't been re-released as of yet. They'll probably both need four LPs just to fit everything. I hope they go back to DVDs too. Or at least give us the audio from the old ones.
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Post by: Setlist Scotty on November 15, 2023, 09:09:30 PM
Bucharest '02 (DVD)
Santiago '05 (DVD)
Obviously I don't know what the arrangement is with InsideOut, but it doesn't look like the DVDs are gonna be reissued, and it's debatable whether they'll even release the soundtracks on triple CD/quadruple-quintuple vinyl.

I think part of the question will be if they continue with the same kaleidoscope artwork they've had or if they'll go back to something more akin to what they had with the YJR releases, which I think most people prefer. That could be another minor reason for the hold up with any new releases.
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Post by: JeopardousRaven on November 16, 2023, 12:11:04 AM
Yeah, I'm curious if MP's return is part of the recent delays in the series. Maybe he's revamping the series to bring it back to its former glory (detailed liner notes, accurate band photos, etc).

I wondered that too. Then again, if I was the type of fan that picked up the whole series with the weird kaleidoscope cover and they stopped 3 shy of re-releasing everything, I'd be a bit upset. I'm not that type of fan though and only picked up the new ones since I had all the others so it makes no difference to me.

I personally think they dug themselves a hole releasing everything on vinyl. I'm convinced it's why they left off A Change of Seasons and Behind the Veil from their respective live albums. And probably why the other two live shows haven't been re-released as of yet. They'll probably both need four LPs just to fit everything. I hope they go back to DVDs too. Or at least give us the audio from the old ones.

I hadn't considered the vinyl limitations being the reason we haven't seen Bucharest or Chile. Did the ADTOE Soundboards get a vinyl release? It's about 2 hours long which makes it a bit longer than you could fit on 2 LPs but I'm not seeing the vinyl listed on the Century Media Store site, just the CD.

Not getting Behind the Veil on Wacken 2015 is pretty ridiculous because it was already a 2LP release. IDK why they didn't include it, they had plenty of room. I really just wish they had released a different show from that tour because the Wacken show was already shortened and cut Caught in a Web, ACOS II, About to Crash, and Wither. Not to mention JLB had a cold or something and sounded pretty poor.

I've seen some people theorize that the reason we didn't get ACOS on either of the Budokan 2017 releases could be due to a possible agreement with MP when he left that they wouldn't release the song on a live album due to it basically being his Space-Dye Vest. But I feel like if this were the case, the band wouldn't have even played it live out of respect to MP. I also doubt that MP would have even stipulated that, seems a tad out of character for him.
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Post by: James Mypetgiress on November 16, 2023, 03:53:17 AM
Yeah, I'm curious if MP's return is part of the recent delays in the series. Maybe he's revamping the series to bring it back to its former glory (detailed liner notes, accurate band photos, etc).

I wondered that too. Then again, if I was the type of fan that picked up the whole series with the weird kaleidoscope cover and they stopped 3 shy of re-releasing everything, I'd be a bit upset. I'm not that type of fan though and only picked up the new ones since I had all the others so it makes no difference to me.

I personally think they dug themselves a hole releasing everything on vinyl. I'm convinced it's why they left off A Change of Seasons and Behind the Veil from their respective live albums. And probably why the other two live shows haven't been re-released as of yet. They'll probably both need four LPs just to fit everything. I hope they go back to DVDs too. Or at least give us the audio from the old ones.

I hadn't considered the vinyl limitations being the reason we haven't seen Bucharest or Chile. Did the ADTOE Soundboards get a vinyl release? It's about 2 hours long which makes it a bit longer than you could fit on 2 LPs but I'm not seeing the vinyl listed on the Century Media Store site, just the CD.

Not getting Behind the Veil on Wacken 2015 is pretty ridiculous because it was already a 2LP release. IDK why they didn't include it, they had plenty of room. I really just wish they had released a different show from that tour because the Wacken show was already shortened and cut Caught in a Web, ACOS II, About to Crash, and Wither. Not to mention JLB had a cold or something and sounded pretty poor.

I've seen some people theorize that the reason we didn't get ACOS on either of the Budokan 2017 releases could be due to a possible agreement with MP when he left that they wouldn't release the song on a live album due to it basically being his Space-Dye Vest. But I feel like if this were the case, the band wouldn't have even played it live out of respect to MP. I also doubt that MP would have even stipulated that, seems a tad out of character for him.

The ADTOE soundboards did, indeed get a vinyl release. 3x LP. Which I would assume means that there is no theoretical vinyl limitation reason for not getting the Bucharest or Chile shows on vinyl.
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Post by: Stadler on November 16, 2023, 05:49:41 AM
I honestly couldn't really care less about most of the complaints; I don't care about the kaleidoscope, I don't care about the rerelease of DVD... I think I mildly care about the liner notes - I forget which one, but it didn't even give the date of the show - and I most care about the completeness.  I don't understand cutting one song.  If there's a fluff in there, fix it, or fade it out, or leave it, I don't care, but I want to hear the complete show.  That's the - FOR ME - point.  (That's why I always vote for the Ronnie Scott's show and the Bataclan show for future releases.)
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Post by: gzarruk on November 16, 2023, 07:34:45 AM
I hope the band hasn't forgotten (pun very intended) those two songs (ACOS and BTV) were cut from their respective releases and that they get out at some point with a live compilation or something. Would love to have all the songs from the previous tours too! (A View + Dreamsonic).
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Post by: Kwyjibo on November 16, 2023, 09:58:48 AM
Yeah, give me whole shows, mistakes and all. I mean these are bootlegs, so I wouldn't expect them to be perfect and flawless.

And I couldn't care less about the kaleidoscope covers, and liner notes are nice, but I read them maybe once and then forget about them. So just put the music out and don't invest too much in the rest.
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Post by: Metro on November 16, 2023, 11:44:06 AM
I hope the band hasn't forgotten (pun very intended) those two songs (ACOS and BTV) were cut from their respective releases and that they get out at some point with a live compilation or something. Would love to have all the songs from the previous tours too! (A View + Dreamsonic).

I’d like to see a compilation of live rarities. Include those two, plus Don’t Look Past Me and To Live Forever, and some others.
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Post by: gzarruk on November 16, 2023, 12:50:26 PM
I hope the band hasn't forgotten (pun very intended) those two songs (ACOS and BTV) were cut from their respective releases and that they get out at some point with a live compilation or something. Would love to have all the songs from the previous tours too! (A View + Dreamsonic).

I’d like to see a compilation of live rarities. Include those two, plus Don’t Look Past Me and To Live Forever, and some others.

I hope someone from from the band or related to them in some way (hello, MP?) hears you :lol
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Post by: Mosh on November 16, 2023, 02:00:05 PM
Well, a lot of comments in this very thread were along the lines of "If MP was still around this would be handled differently." I'll be curious to see if these albums really do get handled differently if Portnoy starts to have more control over them.

One thing I'll say is that the YtseJam releases and a lot of other goodies that came from the Portnoy era were a result of having an obsessive music fan who was just trying to consider the type of material that he would want to see released by his own favorite bands. I just hope he keeps that fan perspective in mind and brings the same attitude to the Mangini era. In normal circumstances, I feel like he would make it a big priority to make sure rare songs like Don't Look Past Me and Behind the Veil get released. Or even the only instance of that lineup playing songs like A Change of Seasons. Obviously, we don't really know if Portnoy is going to see the Mangini era the same way, but I hope he treats it as a valid part of the band's history and is as big a "fan" of the Mangini years as he is the rest of Dream Theater.

Yeah, I'm curious if MP's return is part of the recent delays in the series. Maybe he's revamping the series to bring it back to its former glory (detailed liner notes, accurate band photos, etc).

I wondered that too. Then again, if I was the type of fan that picked up the whole series with the weird kaleidoscope cover and they stopped 3 shy of re-releasing everything, I'd be a bit upset. I'm not that type of fan though and only picked up the new ones since I had all the others so it makes no difference to me.

I personally think they dug themselves a hole releasing everything on vinyl. I'm convinced it's why they left off A Change of Seasons and Behind the Veil from their respective live albums. And probably why the other two live shows haven't been re-released as of yet. They'll probably both need four LPs just to fit everything. I hope they go back to DVDs too. Or at least give us the audio from the old ones.

I've seen some people theorize that the reason we didn't get ACOS on either of the Budokan 2017 releases could be due to a possible agreement with MP when he left that they wouldn't release the song on a live album due to it basically being his Space-Dye Vest. But I feel like if this were the case, the band wouldn't have even played it live out of respect to MP. I also doubt that MP would have even stipulated that, seems a tad out of character for him.

I don't really buy that. When they played The Shattered Fortress early on I took that as a clear signal from the band that they weren't going to tiptoe around any songs with Portnoy lyrics, save for maybe The Best of Times (which seems like the classy thing to do). And yes, if there was any agreement they probably wouldn't have played it live in the first place. Anyway didn't Portnoy make a bit of a fuss at the time when they played ACOS? I seem to remember that and maybe even him mentioning that he had tried to negotiate restrictions on certain songs that DT couldn't play. My memory is pretty fuzzy though.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on November 16, 2023, 03:22:18 PM
Well, a lot of comments in this very thread were along the lines of "If MP was still around this would be handled differently." I'll be curious to see if these albums really do get handled differently if Portnoy starts to have more control over them.

One thing I'll say is that the YtseJam releases and a lot of other goodies that came from the Portnoy era were a result of having an obsessive music fan who was just trying to consider the type of material that he would want to see released by his own favorite bands. I just hope he keeps that fan perspective in mind and brings the same attitude to the Mangini era. In normal circumstances, I feel like he would make it a big priority to make sure rare songs like Don't Look Past Me and Behind the Veil get released. Or even the only instance of that lineup playing songs like A Change of Seasons. Obviously, we don't really know if Portnoy is going to see the Mangini era the same way, but I hope he treats it as a valid part of the band's history and is as big a "fan" of the Mangini years as he is the rest of Dream Theater.

Yeah, I'm curious if MP's return is part of the recent delays in the series. Maybe he's revamping the series to bring it back to its former glory (detailed liner notes, accurate band photos, etc).

I wondered that too. Then again, if I was the type of fan that picked up the whole series with the weird kaleidoscope cover and they stopped 3 shy of re-releasing everything, I'd be a bit upset. I'm not that type of fan though and only picked up the new ones since I had all the others so it makes no difference to me.

I personally think they dug themselves a hole releasing everything on vinyl. I'm convinced it's why they left off A Change of Seasons and Behind the Veil from their respective live albums. And probably why the other two live shows haven't been re-released as of yet. They'll probably both need four LPs just to fit everything. I hope they go back to DVDs too. Or at least give us the audio from the old ones.

I've seen some people theorize that the reason we didn't get ACOS on either of the Budokan 2017 releases could be due to a possible agreement with MP when he left that they wouldn't release the song on a live album due to it basically being his Space-Dye Vest. But I feel like if this were the case, the band wouldn't have even played it live out of respect to MP. I also doubt that MP would have even stipulated that, seems a tad out of character for him.

I don't really buy that. When they played The Shattered Fortress early on I took that as a clear signal from the band that they weren't going to tiptoe around any songs with Portnoy lyrics, save for maybe The Best of Times (which seems like the classy thing to do). And yes, if there was any agreement they probably wouldn't have played it live in the first place. Anyway didn't Portnoy make a bit of a fuss at the time when they played ACOS? I seem to remember that and maybe even him mentioning that he had tried to negotiate restrictions on certain songs that DT couldn't play. My memory is pretty fuzzy though.

The only thing I know of is that in an interview with Eddie Trunk, he noted that Geoff Tate did something like that and he WISHED he had thought of that for the 12-Step Suite when leaving DT.  I'm not going to assume anything about ACOS, but that seems to indicate that it was not done for the suite.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ytserush on November 16, 2023, 04:29:02 PM
Well, a lot of comments in this very thread were along the lines of "If MP was still around this would be handled differently." I'll be curious to see if these albums really do get handled differently if Portnoy starts to have more control over them.

One thing I'll say is that the YtseJam releases and a lot of other goodies that came from the Portnoy era were a result of having an obsessive music fan who was just trying to consider the type of material that he would want to see released by his own favorite bands. I just hope he keeps that fan perspective in mind and brings the same attitude to the Mangini era. In normal circumstances, I feel like he would make it a big priority to make sure rare songs like Don't Look Past Me and Behind the Veil get released. Or even the only instance of that lineup playing songs like A Change of Seasons. Obviously, we don't really know if Portnoy is going to see the Mangini era the same way, but I hope he treats it as a valid part of the band's history and is as big a "fan" of the Mangini years as he is the rest of Dream Theater.

That's one thing I'm not worried about. Portnoy may be many things, but he ALWAYS tries to make sure he gets the history right
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 16, 2023, 05:34:54 PM
Well, a lot of comments in this very thread were along the lines of "If MP was still around this would be handled differently." I'll be curious to see if these albums really do get handled differently if Portnoy starts to have more control over them.

One thing I'll say is that the YtseJam releases and a lot of other goodies that came from the Portnoy era were a result of having an obsessive music fan who was just trying to consider the type of material that he would want to see released by his own favorite bands. I just hope he keeps that fan perspective in mind and brings the same attitude to the Mangini era. In normal circumstances, I feel like he would make it a big priority to make sure rare songs like Don't Look Past Me and Behind the Veil get released. Or even the only instance of that lineup playing songs like A Change of Seasons. Obviously, we don't really know if Portnoy is going to see the Mangini era the same way, but I hope he treats it as a valid part of the band's history and is as big a "fan" of the Mangini years as he is the rest of Dream Theater.

Yeah, I'm curious if MP's return is part of the recent delays in the series. Maybe he's revamping the series to bring it back to its former glory (detailed liner notes, accurate band photos, etc).

I wondered that too. Then again, if I was the type of fan that picked up the whole series with the weird kaleidoscope cover and they stopped 3 shy of re-releasing everything, I'd be a bit upset. I'm not that type of fan though and only picked up the new ones since I had all the others so it makes no difference to me.

I personally think they dug themselves a hole releasing everything on vinyl. I'm convinced it's why they left off A Change of Seasons and Behind the Veil from their respective live albums. And probably why the other two live shows haven't been re-released as of yet. They'll probably both need four LPs just to fit everything. I hope they go back to DVDs too. Or at least give us the audio from the old ones.

I've seen some people theorize that the reason we didn't get ACOS on either of the Budokan 2017 releases could be due to a possible agreement with MP when he left that they wouldn't release the song on a live album due to it basically being his Space-Dye Vest. But I feel like if this were the case, the band wouldn't have even played it live out of respect to MP. I also doubt that MP would have even stipulated that, seems a tad out of character for him.

I don't really buy that. When they played The Shattered Fortress early on I took that as a clear signal from the band that they weren't going to tiptoe around any songs with Portnoy lyrics, save for maybe The Best of Times (which seems like the classy thing to do). And yes, if there was any agreement they probably wouldn't have played it live in the first place. Anyway didn't Portnoy make a bit of a fuss at the time when they played ACOS? I seem to remember that and maybe even him mentioning that he had tried to negotiate restrictions on certain songs that DT couldn't play. My memory is pretty fuzzy though.

The only thing I know of is that in an interview with Eddie Trunk, he noted that Geoff Tate did something like that and he WISHED he had thought of that for the 12-Step Suite when leaving DT.  I'm not going to assume anything about ACOS, but that seems to indicate that it was not done for the suite.

Yeah. Apparently Roger Waters made a similar deal with The Wall and Mike indeed says he wished he did that which implies that there are no restrictions...or were anyway
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Mosh on November 16, 2023, 06:08:55 PM
Well, a lot of comments in this very thread were along the lines of "If MP was still around this would be handled differently." I'll be curious to see if these albums really do get handled differently if Portnoy starts to have more control over them.

One thing I'll say is that the YtseJam releases and a lot of other goodies that came from the Portnoy era were a result of having an obsessive music fan who was just trying to consider the type of material that he would want to see released by his own favorite bands. I just hope he keeps that fan perspective in mind and brings the same attitude to the Mangini era. In normal circumstances, I feel like he would make it a big priority to make sure rare songs like Don't Look Past Me and Behind the Veil get released. Or even the only instance of that lineup playing songs like A Change of Seasons. Obviously, we don't really know if Portnoy is going to see the Mangini era the same way, but I hope he treats it as a valid part of the band's history and is as big a "fan" of the Mangini years as he is the rest of Dream Theater.

That's one thing I'm not worried about. Portnoy may be many things, but he ALWAYS tries to make sure he gets the history right

We’ll see, I want to give him the benefit of the doubt but at the same time I don’t know if I’ve seen him say a single nice thing about what DT has done without him.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: nobloodyname on November 17, 2023, 12:45:38 AM
Well, there's nothing that says he has to be a fan of Dream Theater's output during his period out of the band. He also came to know that anything he said would potentially be twisted for a headline.

As for the Lost Not Forgotten official bootlegs: terrible artwork just made me swerve the physical releases. Well, that combined with the feeling I had they felt phoned-in compared to some of the originals.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on November 17, 2023, 08:06:07 AM

I don't really buy that. When they played The Shattered Fortress early on I took that as a clear signal from the band that they weren't going to tiptoe around any songs with Portnoy lyrics, save for maybe The Best of Times (which seems like the classy thing to do). And yes, if there was any agreement they probably wouldn't have played it live in the first place. Anyway didn't Portnoy make a bit of a fuss at the time when they played ACOS? I seem to remember that and maybe even him mentioning that he had tried to negotiate restrictions on certain songs that DT couldn't play. My memory is pretty fuzzy though.

I remember an interview (I don't have a link) where he basically said he was disappointed that they were playing ACOS in 2017, but only because he was out with The Shattered Fortress and wanted ACOS to be part of his set. He ended up not playing it that tour because DT already was. I remember the interview because I hadn't seen DT yet that year and that was the first spoiler I got about the setlist (other than I&W).
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 17, 2023, 08:12:25 AM

I don't really buy that. When they played The Shattered Fortress early on I took that as a clear signal from the band that they weren't going to tiptoe around any songs with Portnoy lyrics, save for maybe The Best of Times (which seems like the classy thing to do). And yes, if there was any agreement they probably wouldn't have played it live in the first place. Anyway didn't Portnoy make a bit of a fuss at the time when they played ACOS? I seem to remember that and maybe even him mentioning that he had tried to negotiate restrictions on certain songs that DT couldn't play. My memory is pretty fuzzy though.

I remember an interview (I don't have a link) where he basically said he was disappointed that they were playing ACOS in 2017, but only because he was out with The Shattered Fortress and wanted ACOS to be part of his set. He ended up not playing it that tour because DT already was. I remember the interview because I hadn't seen DT yet that year and that was the first spoiler I got about the setlist (other than I&W).

I remember that too and I'm like, dude, just play ACOS if you want.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on November 17, 2023, 08:38:57 AM
I always thought he would play with SOA at some point, considering it's one of the best things he ever recorded with Derek, but that never happened.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: goo-goo on December 14, 2023, 10:07:42 AM
LaserCd has some discounts  on some of the LNF releases

https://www.lasercd.com/fr/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-overstocks-take-em-away
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on February 02, 2024, 03:37:07 PM
So... are these completely lost and forgotten now?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Stadler on February 02, 2024, 03:38:10 PM
My CD has a glitch at the end of "Pull Me Under".  Is that autotune?  Because I hear THAT.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Mosh on February 02, 2024, 03:44:40 PM
My CD has a glitch at the end of "Pull Me Under".  Is that autotune?  Because I hear THAT.
You might want to return it to the store because it’s defective. Is there a Tower Records near you?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on February 02, 2024, 03:46:56 PM
It would've been nice for them to have released a classic MP Era show to keep us occupied while they record the new album.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: HOF on February 02, 2024, 03:47:33 PM
Kevin Moore had a glitch on the song "Sad Sad Movie" from the Ghost Book soundtrack that he did. There's already a weird kind of scratching sound going on, and then the music drops out for a second but comes right back in. I think he even replaced the defective copies, but it never bothered me because it seemed kind of right musically.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Mosh on February 02, 2024, 03:59:58 PM
It would've been nice for them to have released a classic MP Era show to keep us occupied while they record the new album.
Now is the perfect time for it really, and they clearly had MP era releases lined up ready to go. Really hope they keep these coming.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: cramx3 on February 07, 2024, 12:33:35 AM
It would've been nice for them to have released a classic MP Era show to keep us occupied while they record the new album.

Actually not a bad idea, but they just may not have this on mind right now and more focused on making an album.  Although maybe someone from management should be thinking about more ways to engage with a re-ignited fan base. 
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 07, 2024, 05:33:05 AM
I don't believe there has been any official confirmation of remastering/remixing by the band.
They've been advertised as remastered, but, thus far, I don't think anyone has done any A/B comparisons to see if they actually sound any different.
Saw this post just now and I have an answer. I have all the YJR releases, so had no reason to get any of the LNFA reissues, but read somewhere that supposedly the Awake demos were remixed, which piqued my curiosity. So I bought that specific release. Not long ago, as I am not an audiophile, I sent the FLAC files of both to a friend of mine who's intimately familiar with sound editing software, etc. and can pick up subtleties in the mixes due to his background in mixing and mastering.

In his response, he said that when doing a side by side comparison, the Awake demos were remastered, but probably not remixed because the vocal effects are identical between the two, the instrument balance is the same throughout and even the track starts are identical. The only difference is very minimal in that the levels are very slightly louder on the new one. Otherwise there is no difference between them.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Mosh on February 07, 2024, 08:47:38 AM
In the grand scheme of things, it’s not a big deal. But the months of radio silence between October and whenever they announce summer tour dates would have been the perfect opportunity to drop a LNF release, maybe something from that YtseJam Records batch that MP teased he was working on when he left the band.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on February 07, 2024, 12:07:06 PM
I don't believe there has been any official confirmation of remastering/remixing by the band.
They've been advertised as remastered, but, thus far, I don't think anyone has done any A/B comparisons to see if they actually sound any different.
Saw this post just now and I have an answer. I have all the YJR releases, so had no reason to get any of the LNFA reissues, but read somewhere that supposedly the Awake demos were remixed, which piqued my curiosity. So I bought that specific release. Not long ago, as I am not an audiophile, I sent the FLAC files of both to a friend of mine who's intimately familiar with sound editing software, etc. and can pick up subtleties in the mixes due to his background in mixing and mastering.

In his response, he said that when doing a side by side comparison, the Awake demos were remastered, but probably not remixed because the vocal effects are identical between the two, the instrument balance is the same throughout and even the track starts are identical. The only difference is very minimal in that the levels are very slightly louder on the new one. Otherwise there is no difference between them.

This is great information. Makes me glad I did not double dip and will continue to buy only the new ones. If they keep going, that is. I imagine they will pick back up at some point this year. I don't think MP would sit on this stuff. Maybe another rebranding is in the works now that he's back.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on February 07, 2024, 12:23:44 PM
I don't believe there has been any official confirmation of remastering/remixing by the band.
They've been advertised as remastered, but, thus far, I don't think anyone has done any A/B comparisons to see if they actually sound any different.
Saw this post just now and I have an answer. I have all the YJR releases, so had no reason to get any of the LNFA reissues, but read somewhere that supposedly the Awake demos were remixed, which piqued my curiosity. So I bought that specific release. Not long ago, as I am not an audiophile, I sent the FLAC files of both to a friend of mine who's intimately familiar with sound editing software, etc. and can pick up subtleties in the mixes due to his background in mixing and mastering.

In his response, he said that when doing a side by side comparison, the Awake demos were remastered, but probably not remixed because the vocal effects are identical between the two, the instrument balance is the same throughout and even the track starts are identical. The only difference is very minimal in that the levels are very slightly louder on the new one. Otherwise there is no difference between them.

This is great information. Makes me glad I did not double dip and will continue to buy only the new ones. If they keep going, that is. I imagine they will pick back up at some point this year. I don't think MP would sit on this stuff. Maybe another rebranding is in the works now that he's back.

Agreed. I'm glad I didn't take the chance to re-buy the previously released albums and have only stuck to getting the previously-unreleased material as I still have every single YJR release. It's a big bummer that these releases have stopped cold turkey with pretty much no explanation, and I'd have to wonder if Inside Out decided to just back off on having the band put them out because they knew they were gearing up for the big change and announcement. But I agree, a couple of these in 2024 would be a great stop-gap between now and the next albums. I do wonder, though, with MP back in the band, if they'll decide to release anymore MM-era shows or material in the LNFA series, or if it'll dig back into the pre-MM stuff and use some of Portnoy's archival material that still hasn't seen the light of day?

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Fonzie on February 07, 2024, 04:15:41 PM
Hopefully they’re mature enough to recognise that there’s a demand for stuff from right across the repertoire. Maybe alternate MP/ MM era stuff for a couple of years…
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Mosh on February 08, 2024, 11:40:55 AM
They will run out of MM pretty quick though since they always played the same setlists.

2011 Mangini warmup tour - Covered
ADTOE tour - Covered
DT12 tour - Covered
2015 festival tour - Covered minus a couple songs, particularly Behind the Veil
Astonishing - No official recordings
I&W and Beyond tour - Everything covered except A Change of Seasons
Distance Over Time tour - Covered, I think they got everything on the live release??
View tour - No official recordings
Dreamsonic - No official recordings

So if I'm not mistaken, that's only three tours that they haven't released anything from yet and a very small handful of odds and ends from other tours. I guess they could release demos as well, although I'm not sure how much of that is out there. And again, even if each album has demos (I doubt it), there are only five albums to pull demos from.

I hope all that stuff gets released eventually, although the well of MP era material is always going to be much deeper.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: cramx3 on February 08, 2024, 11:51:24 AM
I can't imagine Dreamsonic music comes out, but something from the first leg of the View tour should hopefully come out some day.

Also, would love to see something TA related, but I'm not expecting it, ever at this point.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on February 08, 2024, 12:44:24 PM
I can't imagine Dreamsonic music comes out, but something from the first leg of the View tour should hopefully come out some day.

Also, would love to see something TA related, but I'm not expecting it, ever at this point.

I think for band continuity, if they wanted to maintain such a thing for public image, they should pump out any remaining MM-era recordings they want to release before the next album come out, so they can say all future releases would be with the current line-up. I also just want to see them return to the LFNA release schedule again this year, so the sooner the better. I'd love a View Tour show, just to get those songs played live out to the fans who couldn't see the tour (like me), and have an official live document on those songs and that tour available. The band seemed pretty intent on this current line-up being the "final chapter" of DT, so I'd imagine anything they put out after their 16th album will focus on the current line-up.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Mosh on February 08, 2024, 01:06:58 PM
I think it would be kinda silly for them to release a MM show right now. Everybody is hyped about Portnoy being back in the band and the upcoming album and in the interim you get a release with Mangini on drums? Just doesn't seem right. On the other hand, it will be a cool throwback in a few years as part of a batch with other things.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 08, 2024, 01:28:01 PM
I think it would be kinda silly for them to release a MM show right now. Everybody is hyped about Portnoy being back in the band and the upcoming album and in the interim you get a release with Mangini on drums? Just doesn't seem right. On the other hand, it will be a cool throwback in a few years as part of a batch with other things.
Yeah, I'm more of this mindset too. Don't forget that over time there was a mix of live shows released with Derek mixed in with the Limelight show that had Kevin, the WDaDR, 2002 and 2005 DVDs with JR, and the cover releases also with JR. So MP made sure to mix things up. I would think the same will be true going forward as well.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Samsara on February 08, 2024, 01:31:47 PM
yeah, I think MP, if he's back running the official bootlegs and such, will make sure to include MM shows...if those shows were recorded. I don't know MP personally. But he obviously cares about history and the legacy of artists. I am sure if there are MM shows on the docket for release, MP (again, if that's going to be one of his roles again) will make sure it happens. And that speaks volumes (if so) about MP.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Mosh on February 08, 2024, 01:36:28 PM
How about a "tribute to former members" batch?

- The last show with Derek

- That NYC gig where they opened for Maiden.

- A show from the View tour.

Personally I have no interest in Astonishing shows other than for completion sake. The live performances were extremely close to the studio versions, I'm not sure what a live recording would bring to the table. The stage production also wasn't impressive enough for video.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on February 08, 2024, 01:38:41 PM
I think a blend of MP stuff (from all eras) and some of the remaining MM era stuff would be the healthy way to go. I really really hope they don't permanently shelve the MM live stuff that hasn't seen the light of day like ACOS, BTV, A View, TA, etc.

However, at this point, I'd take anything if that means they start the LNFA releases again. It's been complete silence for months.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 08, 2024, 01:49:49 PM
They will run out of MM pretty quick though since they always played the same setlists.

2011 Mangini warmup tour - Covered
ADTOE tour - Covered
I assume you're speaking about L@LP and the 2013 Fan Club compilation? If so, I could still see them releasing one of the warm up shows in its entirety as well as one or two shows from the Dramatic tour that have enough variation in the setlist to make it worthwhile.
 
 
2015 festival tour - Covered minus a couple songs, particularly Behind the Veil
I&W and Beyond tour - Everything covered except A Change of Seasons
Distance Over Time tour - Covered, I think they got everything on the live release??
They could release another show from the 2015 tour that's the full length setlist, especially before JL got sick on that tour.

They could release one of the IWaB shows that had DLPM and TLF in the setlist.

No need for a d/t show since the only thing not included was PMU which was the original encore.

And yes, there is nothing for the Astonishing, View or DreamSonic tours, so they could release something from each of them.
 
 
How about a "tribute to former members" batch?

- The last show with Derek

- That NYC gig where they opened for Maiden.

- A show from the View tour.
Interesting idea and one that MP inadvertently even had in mind before he split. He had in mind releasing the 1998 Poughkeepsie show which was Derek's last, plus a DVD that included both DT's set at the Download festival in 2009 as well as the 2010 Japanese festival that ended up being MP's last before he split. So those still could happen.

Incidentally, you do realize that the MSG gig where they opened for Maiden *was* released, right?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Mosh on February 08, 2024, 02:17:32 PM
Not the gig I'm talking about. The Fear of the Dark tour, 1992 I think.
Edit: This one from the Tourography (not sure how to link directly) -


PRE-IMAGES SHOWS
06/08/1992 New York City, NY, USA

Venue:   Ritz Club
Other Act(s):   Iron Maiden Headlined

Set List:
Pull Me Under
Under A Glass Moon
Metropolis Part I
A Fortune In Lies
Learning To Live


Guitar   JOHN PETRUCCI
Bass   JOHN MYUNG
Keyboards   KEVIN MOORE
Drums   MIKE PORTNOY
Vocals   JAMES LABRIE


Notes:   This was their biggest show, at that time.

Releases: 
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 08, 2024, 05:12:33 PM
Not the gig I'm talking about. The Fear of the Dark tour, 1992 I think.
Edit: This one from the Tourography (not sure how to link directly) -


PRE-IMAGES SHOWS
06/08/1992 New York City, NY, USA
No offense, bu what's the significance of that show? I can think of a dozen other shows from that same tour cycle that would be far more interesting than that 5-song set, even if it is half of IaW.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on February 08, 2024, 06:40:04 PM
Not the gig I'm talking about. The Fear of the Dark tour, 1992 I think.
Edit: This one from the Tourography (not sure how to link directly) -


PRE-IMAGES SHOWS
06/08/1992 New York City, NY, USA
No offense, bu what's the significance of that show? I can think of a dozen other shows from that same tour cycle that would be far more interesting than that 5-song set, even if it is half of IaW.

I'd imagine this part:

Notes:   This was their biggest show, at that time. 

It's notable, sure, but I'm not sure it warrants a release, unless it had a professional soundboard recording made. Otherwise, it's just a deep-cut DT oddity that maybe die-hards of that era might enjoy. I feel like we've gotten plenty of great IAW-era shows, both officially and unofficially as bootlegs.

If we're digging deep in the way-back era, let's see them put out a really good WDADU era show, perhaps as a way to honor Charlie. It would be a great way to celebrate the band's history as well, and the 35th Anniversary of their debut album, which is less than a month away.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: DTwwbwMP on February 08, 2024, 06:53:52 PM
Not the gig I'm talking about. The Fear of the Dark tour, 1992 I think.
Edit: This one from the Tourography (not sure how to link directly) -

PRE-IMAGES SHOWS
06/08/1992 New York City, NY, USA

Venue:   Ritz Club
Other Act(s):   Iron Maiden Headlined

Set List:
Pull Me Under
Under A Glass Moon
Metropolis Part I
A Fortune In Lies
Learning To Live

Guitar   JOHN PETRUCCI
Bass   JOHN MYUNG
Keyboards   KEVIN MOORE
Drums   MIKE PORTNOY
Vocals   JAMES LABRIE


My 1st DT show, although I had NO IDEA who they were. By the time their set was over...........well, the rest is history! :metal :metal
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 08, 2024, 09:23:36 PM
I'd imagine this part:

Notes:   This was their biggest show, at that time. 

It's notable, sure, but I'm not sure it warrants a release, unless it had a professional soundboard recording made. Otherwise, it's just a deep-cut DT oddity that maybe die-hards of that era might enjoy. I feel like we've gotten plenty of great IAW-era shows, both officially and unofficially as bootlegs.
If that was it, I'd say no. They've played much bigger venues both as the headlining act and festivals. Keep in mind that up to that time, they were merely a "local" club band. So while it was no doubt a big deal to them back then, it wouldn't take long for that show to fade into the background.
 
 
If we're digging deep in the way-back era, let's see them put out a really good WDADU era show, perhaps as a way to honor Charlie. It would be a great way to celebrate the band's history as well, and the 35th Anniversary of their debut album, which is less than a month away.
That would be nice, but I don't know if MP would be willing to release any audience recordings. He got his DAT recorder for Images and Tour, and I believe the only soundboard recordings he got from the pre-JL era were CC-era shows done at the Right Track Inn where they had a mixing board.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on February 08, 2024, 09:42:19 PM
That would be nice, but I don't know if MP would be willing to release any audience recordings. He got his DAT recorder for Images and Tour, and I believe the only soundboard recordings he got from the pre-JL era were CC-era shows done at the Right Track Inn where they had a mixing board.

I'd love to hear those CC shows! :o
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on February 09, 2024, 09:55:37 AM
That would be nice, but I don't know if MP would be willing to release any audience recordings. He got his DAT recorder for Images and Tour, and I believe the only soundboard recordings he got from the pre-JL era were CC-era shows done at the Right Track Inn where they had a mixing board.

I'd love to hear those CC shows! :o


When was CC DeVille in the band?   ;)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: pg1067 on February 09, 2024, 10:09:32 AM
That would be nice, but I don't know if MP would be willing to release any audience recordings. He got his DAT recorder for Images and Tour, and I believe the only soundboard recordings he got from the pre-JL era were CC-era shows done at the Right Track Inn where they had a mixing board.

I'd love to hear those CC shows! :o


When was CC DeVille in the band?   ;)

"Talk Dirty to Me - Part I: The Eyeliner and the Hairspray"

"Talk Dirty to Me - Part II: Scenes from My Dressing Room"
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Madman Shepherd on February 09, 2024, 10:10:07 AM
That would be nice, but I don't know if MP would be willing to release any audience recordings. He got his DAT recorder for Images and Tour, and I believe the only soundboard recordings he got from the pre-JL era were CC-era shows done at the Right Track Inn where they had a mixing board.

I'd love to hear those CC shows! :o


When was CC DeVille in the band?   ;)

I think they're thinking of Winery Dogs that has the former guitarist of Poison
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: nobloodyname on February 09, 2024, 10:45:55 AM
That would be nice, but I don't know if MP would be willing to release any audience recordings. He got his DAT recorder for Images and Tour, and I believe the only soundboard recordings he got from the pre-JL era were CC-era shows done at the Right Track Inn where they had a mixing board.

I'd love to hear those CC shows! :o


When was CC DeVille in the band?   ;)

"Talk Dirty to Me - Part I: The Eyeliner and the Hairspray"

"Talk Dirty to Me - Part II: Scenes from My Dressing Room"

I really like Poison. And CC.

And I would pay good money for those songs :biggrin:
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 09, 2024, 11:24:57 AM
That would be nice, but I don't know if MP would be willing to release any audience recordings. He got his DAT recorder for Images and Tour, and I believe the only soundboard recordings he got from the pre-JL era were CC-era shows done at the Right Track Inn where they had a mixing board.

I'd love to hear those CC shows! :o


When was CC DeVille in the band?   ;)

"Talk Dirty to Me - Part I: The Eyeliner and the Hairspray"

"Talk Dirty to Me - Part II: Scenes from My Dressing Room"

I really like Poison. And CC.

And I would pay good money for those songs :biggrin:
Not a huge fan, but I did like some of their stuff back in the day. I'd check that out too if just for the novelty of it!  :lol
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: wasteland on February 09, 2024, 01:48:26 PM
Scott, do you think it is at all possible that now that Mike's archive is again within reach the band may start releasing a wider range of old live performances, through digital means only?

It would be win/win/win situation: we get more quality recordings from their past, they get some minor revenue increase for virtually no added operation cost (they wouldn't have to press / distribute the actual physical media).
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Glasser on February 09, 2024, 02:28:32 PM
I wish Portnoy would release a Shattered Fortress show, at least on his personal website.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 09, 2024, 07:52:06 PM
Scott, do you think it is at all possible that now that Mike's archive is again within reach the band may start releasing a wider range of old live performances, through digital means only?

It would be win/win/win situation: we get more quality recordings from their past, they get some minor revenue increase for virtually no added operation cost (they wouldn't have to press / distribute the actual physical media).
My gut feeling is that they probably won't. I remember asking MP a long time ago about them doing something more along the lines of Pearl Jam or Metallica where they would release a whole bunch of shows, and (I'm paraphrasing) he said that he liked having control over what is released. So I don't see that changing. And having physical releases would provide an additional reason to keep things a bit more spaced out. Plus with him being a music fan himself and based on the videos he did during the lockdown, I imagine that he enjoys physical releases too. And one other thing is that we don't know what kind of arrangement or contract they have set up with InsideOut Music to do all these bootlegs, so maybe they're contractually bound.
 
 
I wish Portnoy would release a Shattered Fortress show, at least on his personal website.
My guess is that ship has sailed now that he's back in the band. With that said, I wouldn't be surprised if we see the 12SS featured on an upcoming tour.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: wasteland on February 10, 2024, 06:54:54 AM
Then we are left to hope that the band is open to suggestions for which shows to release in the future! I'd have:

1. An official version of the old GDT release "5 Days In a Livetime"
2. The Ottawa '04 show (https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=789), with its incredible setlist and unreleased lengthy Improv Jam
3. A full video release of the unplugged Nighttown '98 show (https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=437), parts of which feature in the 5YIALT DVD alongside the Paris show.
4. Re-releasing the spectacular (and neigh-unfindable) October '95 show in Tokyo (https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=318)
5. The famously unhinged Den Bosch '00 show (https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=579)


EDIT: Fixed broken links
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on February 10, 2024, 08:41:40 AM
Then we are left to hope that the band is open to suggestions for which shows to release in the future! I'd have:

1. An official version of the old GDT release "5 Days In a Livetime"
2. The Ottawa '04 show (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/tourography/), with its incredible setlist and unreleased lengthy Improv Jam
3. A full video release of the unplugged Nighttown '98 show (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/tourography/), parts of which feature in the 5YIALT DVD alongside the Paris show.
3. Re-releasing the spectacular (and neigh-unfindable) October '95 show in Tokyo (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/tourography/)
5. The famously unhinged Den Bosch '00 show (https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=579)

The links in numbers 2, 3 and second 3 don't work. Is the Tokyo 95 show the same one they released in YJR (https://www.discogs.com/master/784315-Dream-Theater-Official-Bootleg-Tokyo-Japan-102895)? This is a really good show and one I used to frequently revisit back when I was in the height of my DT-fandom and listening to a lot of their music. There's a few copies on Discogs for sale, but the cheapest is at $43 USD and coming from Sweden. Being the fifth release in the YJR series probably explains its rarity.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 10, 2024, 08:57:50 AM
Then we are left to hope that the band is open to suggestions for which shows to release in the future! I'd have:

1. An official version of the old GDT release "5 Days In a Livetime"
2. The Ottawa '04 show (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/tourography/), with its incredible setlist and unreleased lengthy Improv Jam
3. A full video release of the unplugged Nighttown '98 show (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/tourography/), parts of which feature in the 5YIALT DVD alongside the Paris show.
3. Re-releasing the spectacular (and neigh-unfindable) October '95 show in Tokyo (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/tourography/)
5. The famously unhinged Den Bosch '00 show (https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=579)

The links in numbers 2, 3 and second 3 don't work. Is the Tokyo 95 show the same one they released in YJR (https://www.discogs.com/master/784315-Dream-Theater-Official-Bootleg-Tokyo-Japan-102895)? This is a really good show and one I used to frequently revisit back when I was in the height of my DT-fandom and listening to a lot of their music. There's a few copies on Discogs for sale, but the cheapest is at $43 USD and coming from Sweden. Being the fifth release in the YJR series probably explains its rarity.

-Marc.

The links "work", they just take you to the main page of his Tourography section, which he has set-up with all the bands he was in. If you click the Dream Theater one, it'll take you to the DT tourography.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on February 10, 2024, 10:14:26 AM
Then we are left to hope that the band is open to suggestions for which shows to release in the future! I'd have:

1. An official version of the old GDT release "5 Days In a Livetime"
2. The Ottawa '04 show (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/tourography/), with its incredible setlist and unreleased lengthy Improv Jam
3. A full video release of the unplugged Nighttown '98 show (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/tourography/), parts of which feature in the 5YIALT DVD alongside the Paris show.
3. Re-releasing the spectacular (and neigh-unfindable) October '95 show in Tokyo (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/tourography/)
5. The famously unhinged Den Bosch '00 show (https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=579)

The links in numbers 2, 3 and second 3 don't work. Is the Tokyo 95 show the same one they released in YJR (https://www.discogs.com/master/784315-Dream-Theater-Official-Bootleg-Tokyo-Japan-102895)? This is a really good show and one I used to frequently revisit back when I was in the height of my DT-fandom and listening to a lot of their music. There's a few copies on Discogs for sale, but the cheapest is at $43 USD and coming from Sweden. Being the fifth release in the YJR series probably explains its rarity.

-Marc.

The links "work", they just take you to the main page of his Tourography section, which he has set-up with all the bands he was in. If you click the Dream Theater one, it'll take you to the DT tourography.

I get that, as I've navigated the Tourography many times, but because wasteland didn't provide direct links, there are some instances where a user might be guessing. For example, wasteland mentions the "October 95 Tokyo" show, but getting to the October 95 A Change Of Seasons Tour (https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowList.aspx?tourId=21) reveals there are TWO shows from Tokyo, so a less knowledgeable fan might not know which one wasteland was talking about. It is, however, the NHK Hall show on the 28th, the one which was released through Ytse Jam Records, which can be viewed here (https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=318).

As for the others, I assume THIS is the Ottawa 2004 show (https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=789) referenced in wasteland's post, and that THIS is the Nighttown 98 show (https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=437). I just thought it was odd that wasteland provided the correct link for the Den Bosch 00 show, but not the others.

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on February 10, 2024, 10:16:45 AM
I'd love to get an official release with the Awake jam. Also, the live stuff that's missing from the MM era.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: wasteland on February 10, 2024, 10:59:22 AM
As for the others, I assume THIS is the Ottawa 2004 show (https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=789) referenced in wasteland's post, and that THIS is the Nighttown 98 show (https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=437). I just thought it was odd that wasteland provided the correct link for the Den Bosch 00 show, but not the others.

-Marc.

Apologies, I simply messed up the linking. They have all been fixed in the original post.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 10, 2024, 01:01:29 PM
1. An official version of the old GDT release "5 Days In a Livetime"
Pretty sure this one is a given since he had intended on releasing it with the next batch of YJR releases before he left the band.
 
 
2. The Ottawa '04 show (https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=789), with its incredible setlist and unreleased lengthy Improv Jam
Would love to see this! Only issue is if they'll do 3CD releases for the LNFA releases. There were never any 3CD releases for YJR, so I don't know if there will be for LNFA.
 
 
3. A full video release of the unplugged Nighttown '98 show (https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=437), parts of which feature in the 5YIALT DVD alongside the Paris show.
For starters, that depends on if LNFA will get into video releases or not; thus far they haven't. With that being said, being that both shows were released partially on official releases perhaps the unreleased footage could be released separately, but releases of the full shows are highly unlikely - can't imagine Warner Bros. being willing to do that, unless it was for some sort of extra special anniversary release on their label (instead of InsideOut Music/Sony). The same would also hold true for people like Stads pining for the complete release of the Uncovered show at Ronnie Scott's Jazz Club.
 
 
4. Re-releasing the spectacular (and neigh-unfindable) October '95 show in Tokyo (https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=318)
Definitely expect this one to be released. Actually surprised that it hasn't been released yet.
 
 
5. The famously unhinged Den Bosch '00 show (https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=579)
Don't recall this show being famously unhinged, aside from maybe the end of LtL. Are you sure you're not referring to the 2000/10/18 show in Glasgow (https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=582) instead? If so, I could see that one being a possibility, but I wouldn't bank on it since the craziest parts of it already appeared on the 2000 Fan Club CD.
 
 
I'd love to get an official release with the Awake jam.
That would be nice to have. But even if it never happens, there is an absolutely stellar soundboard bootleg already in circulation for the 1995/01/23 show that I highly recommend. :tup  Just be sure to get that show and not the one from the following day that is also in circulation and is from a TV broadcast, but the sound quality is nowhere near as good, and JM's bass sounds like galloping horses.  :omg:
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: JeopardousRaven on February 10, 2024, 01:45:10 PM
I would really love a complete show from the Chaos in Motion tour. James sounded great for a lot of those shows and his voice really got screwed in the production on CiM 2007-2008. He absolutely nails the ending of Lines in the Sand here: https://youtu.be/XVYMYG54cQ0?si=aj9O2qqsix9a_DIx&t=4087

That tour also had a couple of rare tracks that haven't made an official live album yet, like Never Enough and Misunderstood.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 10, 2024, 02:01:07 PM
I would really love a complete show from the Chaos in Motion tour. James sounded great for a lot of those shows and his voice really got screwed in the production on CiM 2007-2008. He absolutely nails the ending of Lines in the Sand here: https://youtu.be/XVYMYG54cQ0?si=aj9O2qqsix9a_DIx&t=4087

That tour also had a couple of rare tracks that haven't made an official live album yet, like Never Enough and Misunderstood.
Well remember that MP was selecting tracks based on the 6 pro-shot videos he had from that tour, since the band did not make arrangements to properly film any of the shows like they had on the two previous tours, hence the more "bootleg" quality and standard definition (as opposed to HD), so that could help partially explain why some of the performances were chosen over others.

And you are correct about NE not being on any official releases yet, but Misunderstood was on the 2002 Bucharest DVD released through YJR, as well as on the 2008 Fan Club CD. So while not being on anything widely released, at least you can find Misunderstood somewhere; in the case of the 2008 Fan Club CD, with properly mixed sound, just like an official release.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Letter M on February 10, 2024, 02:37:22 PM
Well there was the Romavarium DVD (https://www.discogs.com/release/3763406-Dream-Theater-Romavarium-The-International-Fan-Clubs-DVD-2006), which featured the full 8VM Album performance, including "Never Enough".

-Marc.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on February 10, 2024, 04:00:38 PM
Well there was the Romavarium DVD (https://www.discogs.com/release/3763406-Dream-Theater-Romavarium-The-International-Fan-Clubs-DVD-2006), which featured the fill 8VM Album performance, including "Never Enough".

-Marc.

Never Enough also features on the other DTIFC DVD (A Walk Beside the Band), live from Paris. :)
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on February 10, 2024, 04:13:19 PM
I'd love to get an official release with the Awake jam.
That would be nice to have. But even if it never happens, there is an absolutely stellar soundboard bootleg already in circulation for the 1995/01/23 show that I highly recommend. :tup  Just be sure to get that show and not the one from the following day that is also in circulation and is from a TV broadcast, but the sound quality is nowhere near as good, and JM's bass sounds like galloping horses.  :omg:

I'll try to search for that one, though I never got too much into the world of bootlegs. I always thought it was too deep of a rabbit hole to try to get into :lol

And you are correct about NE not being on any official releases yet, but Misunderstood was on the 2002 Bucharest DVD released through YJR, as well as on the 2008 Fan Club CD. So while not being on anything widely released, at least you can find Misunderstood somewhere; in the case of the 2008 Fan Club CD, with properly mixed sound, just like an official release.

I might be wrong, but I don't recall Misunderstood appearing on the Bucharest DVD at all. Was that in the bonus content?
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: TAC on February 10, 2024, 04:15:07 PM
in the case of the 2008 Fan Club CD, with properly mixed sound, just like an official release.

That's not properly mixed. You can't even hear the vocals. 
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Kocak on February 11, 2024, 11:25:56 AM
I have never been a bootleg guy, but a YouTube shuffle just gave me the demo versions of Distance Over Time. Barring the hi-hat, the mix sounds better than the original album. Kind of solidifies my opinion that Dream Theater should focus on the music and outsource the production. I'd be fine with the band paying JP to go on a European holiday during the mixing and mastering process.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 11, 2024, 03:06:13 PM
Well there was the Romavarium DVD (https://www.discogs.com/release/3763406-Dream-Theater-Romavarium-The-International-Fan-Clubs-DVD-2006), which featured the fill 8VM Album performance, including "Never Enough".
Never Enough also features on the other DTIFC DVD (A Walk Beside the Band), live from Paris. :)
Good call on both - honestly I've never been a big video person, so after having both of those once or twice, I've long forgotten about them, so they didn't come to mind.
 
 
I might be wrong, but I don't recall Misunderstood appearing on the Bucharest DVD at all. Was that in the bonus content?
Once again, my mistake. Given how often Misunderstood was played during that tour, I was certain that it had been included on that DVD, but surprisingly it wasn't played at either show.
 
 
in the case of the 2008 Fan Club CD, with properly mixed sound, just like an official release.
That's not properly mixed. You can't even hear the vocals.
I agree that the vocals are on the low side, which I can't explain. I double checked and I don't see any credits for mixing, so you might be right. However, I do find it a bit odd given the fact that starting in 2007 they went from recording everything on 2-track DAT to multi-track recordings. So why they wouldn't have properly mixed the music for this release is beyond me.
 
 
I have never been a bootleg guy, but a YouTube shuffle just gave me the demo versions of Distance Over Time. Barring the hi-hat, the mix sounds better than the original album. Kind of solidifies my opinion that Dream Theater should focus on the music and outsource the production. I'd be fine with the band paying JP to go on a European holiday during the mixing and mastering process.
IIRC, it was the mastering that was the problem, and if you get the HD version of the album which I believe was included in the box set and art book versions, you'll notice that the recording is better. Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong since my old man memory seems to be failing me more than I thought!   :facepalm:
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: gzarruk on February 11, 2024, 03:20:39 PM
Time to change your username to Old Man Scotty :biggrin:
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Bluefish on February 16, 2024, 04:45:54 PM
In the grand scheme of things, it’s not a big deal. But the months of radio silence between October and whenever they announce summer tour dates would have been the perfect opportunity to drop a LNF release, maybe something from that YtseJam Records batch that MP teased he was working on when he left the band.

I couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: Bluefish on February 16, 2024, 04:50:26 PM
They will run out of MM pretty quick though since they always played the same setlists.

2011 Mangini warmup tour - Covered
ADTOE tour - Covered
DT12 tour - Covered
2015 festival tour - Covered minus a couple songs, particularly Behind the Veil
Astonishing - No official recordings
I&W and Beyond tour - Everything covered except A Change of Seasons
Distance Over Time tour - Covered, I think they got everything on the live release??
View tour - No official recordings
Dreamsonic - No official recordings

So if I'm not mistaken, that's only three tours that they haven't released anything from yet and a very small handful of odds and ends from other tours. I guess they could release demos as well, although I'm not sure how much of that is out there. And again, even if each album has demos (I doubt it), there are only five albums to pull demos from.

I hope all that stuff gets released eventually, although the well of MP era material is always going to be much deeper.

I'm hoping that Behind The Veil And A Change of Seasons see the light of day, as well as bootlegs from the A View From The Top Of The World and Dreamsonic tours.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: The Curious Orange on April 16, 2024, 06:56:54 AM
There's still a few of the YtseJam releases still to be re-released, particularly  the DSOTM show (and I'd love to see that one expanded into a release of the full show), The 5/18/98 show with Bruce Dickinson and the Tokyo Awake show 10/28/95.
Beyond that, I'd love to see a 3CD release of the later leg of the SFAM tour after they stopped playing the entire album, or an early 6DOIT show before they started playing the entire suite in the 2nd half. The BC&SL warm up tour was also brilliant, I'd love a release of that. And the omission of ACOS from the I&W&Beyond show still rankles.

Let's be frank, anything. If they release it, I'll buy it.
Title: Re: "Official" Lost Not Forgotten (official bootlegs) thread
Post by: JeopardousRaven on April 20, 2024, 12:30:38 AM
Beyond that, I'd love to see a 3CD release of the later leg of the SFAM tour after they stopped playing the entire album, or an early 6DOIT show before they started playing the entire suite in the 2nd half. The BC&SL warm up tour was also brilliant, I'd love a release of that. And the omission of ACOS from the I&W&Beyond show still rankles.

Let's be frank, anything. If they release it, I'll buy it.

Their tours from 1999-2008 (roughly) had so much setlist variation that they could release countless live shows that would make great collector's items. The following is one of my favorite DT setlists, from the Octavarium tour: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2005/le-zenith-paris-france-5bd6d310.html Imagine seeing them play Under A Glass Moon -> Raising the Knife (live debut btw) -> Home -> Glass Prison -> This Dying Soul. Not to mention capping the whole show off with Learning to Live.