Ytsejam Records previously played host to Dream Theater’s official bootleg release collection comprising of live shows, demos & studio outtakes from throughout the band’s prolific career. As part of the ‘Lost Not Forgotten Archives’, the entirety of the collection will be reissued on CD, as well as for the very first time on vinyl and digital, with brand new artwork and packaging. The band have also been busy digging into their encyclopedic vault to find some very special, previously unreleased material. The first brand new release in the reinvigorated archival series will be a recording of the band’s start-to-finish performance of their classic second ever studio album, ‘Images & Words’, taken from their performance at Tokyo, Japan’s legendary Budokan venue in September of 2017.
Following this inaugural ‘Lost Not Forgotten Archives’ release, the extensive back catalogue of Ytsejam Records offerings will start to be reissued throughout the next several years. Plenty more previously unreleased material will get its initial publication, presenting an absolute treasure trove of Dream Theater music for fans both old and new to explore.
Am I missing something? Are these all $250 deluxe packages, or can you just by the MP3 versions somewhere?It’s not mp3, but it’s selling on itunes store.
Good question! From what I understand: The limited edition vinyls offered on the band's official site are the $250 deluxe packages. CD only (and, I think, vinyl only) editions are available much cheaper through other vendors, such as www.lazercd.com, which I linked at the end of that post. I do not believe there are mp3 or other downloadable versions.
But I can't figure out why they start the archives-series with LaBrie singing this bad
A bootleg is likely not going to be perfect. This is also a full performance of I&W, do they have old bootlegs of that when JLB could hit all the notes? Finally this was already in the can so to speak as it was a televised performance so they could just lift the audio without needing to do much work.
For an official bootleg, this sounds perfectly fine to me. If it was an official live album then maybe I’d like a slightly better sound quality and production level but it is what it is.
A bootleg is likely not going to be perfect. This is also a full performance of I&W, do they have old bootlegs of that when JLB could hit all the notes?
So I listened to I&W: Japan this morning in the car, and... I don't get what the fuss is. James isn't spot on, and there are a couple of choices I'm not sure I'm down with, but that's not the worst I've heard him, and not the worst live album (vocally) I've ever heard. Couple that with the fact that the band itself sounds really good, and I'm giving it high marks (for what it is).
So I listened to I&W: Japan this morning in the car, and... I don't get what the fuss is. James isn't spot on, and there are a couple of choices I'm not sure I'm down with, but that's not the worst I've heard him, and not the worst live album (vocally) I've ever heard. Couple that with the fact that the band itself sounds really good, and I'm giving it high marks (for what it is).
There is'nt any fuss about the high marks for my sake, I really like the album, the band sounds great. It is just what it is and I think LaBrie can handle my critism... ;)
Having said that, considering it was a whole tour doing a very long set with the 2nd half being IAW entirely, I think James did good.
I just received my vinyl of the LNFA Images & Words 2017 from Revolver . I ordered the Cobalt Blue version, it is sealed of course and it doesn’t say anywhere that it is in fact the blue one and I’m hesitant to open it .. anyone know for sure if it is the blue one ?? Thanks !
I just received my vinyl of the LNFA Images & Words 2017 from Revolver . I ordered the Cobalt Blue version, it is sealed of course and it doesn’t say anywhere that it is in fact the blue one and I’m hesitant to open it .. anyone know for sure if it is the blue one ?? Thanks !
Perhaps I'm missing something obvious, but how would anyone here know what's inside, and why wouldn't you open it? You kinda have to open it to play it, right?
In any event, until and unless you open it, you have Schrödinger's Record.
Am I missing something? Are these all $250 deluxe packages, or can you just by the MP3 versions somewhere?It’s not mp3, but it’s selling on itunes store.
So the next one to be released (Sept 14) is the Master of Puppets cover from Barcelona 2002.no, the TOT demos will be released before that, but yes, Master Of Puppets will be reissued. (which I'm sure will delight some of us here, both of them)
So the next one to be released (Sept 14) is the Master of Puppets cover from Barcelona 2002.no, the TOT demos will be released before that, but yes, Master Of Puppets will be reissued. (which I'm sure will delight some of us here, both of them)
So the next one to be released (Sept 14) is the Master of Puppets cover from Barcelona 2002.
was surprised that no songs from ADTOE were on an album of the tour named after that. Not a complaint, just kind of amused.
So I'm just kind of buying these as a fan and didn't really pay attention to the tracklistings or anything, but I just bought the Dramatic Tour one that came out today and... was surprised that no songs from ADTOE were on an album of the tour named after that. Not a complaint, just kind of amused.
So I'm just kind of buying these as a fan and didn't really pay attention to the tracklistings or anything, but I just bought the Dramatic Tour one that came out today and... was surprised that no songs from ADTOE were on an album of the tour named after that. Not a complaint, just kind of amused.
The original idea for this release (Happy Holidays) was to give fans a live version of every track played on the ADTOE tour that wasn't included in the setlist for LALP. Since they played the whole ADTOE at Luna Park, there's no songs from that album here. These are the other songs they played live in 2011-2012.
So I'm just kind of buying these as a fan and didn't really pay attention to the tracklistings or anything, but I just bought the Dramatic Tour one that came out today and... was surprised that no songs from ADTOE were on an album of the tour named after that. Not a complaint, just kind of amused.
The original idea for this release (Happy Holidays) was to give fans a live version of every track played on the ADTOE tour that wasn't included in the setlist for LALP. Since they played the whole ADTOE at Luna Park, there's no songs from that album here. These are the other songs they played live in 2011-2012.
Makes sense. I kind of figured it was something like that when I saw "To Live Forever" on there. So this is almost like a companion piece to Luna Park? Works for me; I love that live album.
*snipI wasn't keen on the kaleidoscope either at first, but it's like a theme. The Ytsejam releases also had their theme. So it makes sense, in a way.
Just kind of wish every cover wasn't a kaleidoscope. It'll be weird in like a year or two when I boot up my music library and there's a bunch of kaleidoscope covers in the middle of the DT section. Doesn't aesthetically please me that much.
So I'm just kind of buying these as a fan and didn't really pay attention to the tracklistings or anything, but I just bought the Dramatic Tour one that came out today and... was surprised that no songs from ADTOE were on an album of the tour named after that. Not a complaint, just kind of amused.
The original idea for this release (Happy Holidays) was to give fans a live version of every track played on the ADTOE tour that wasn't included in the setlist for LALP. Since they played the whole ADTOE at Luna Park, there's no songs from that album here. These are the other songs they played live in 2011-2012.
*snipI wasn't keen on the kaleidoscope either at first, but it's like a theme. The Ytsejam releases also had their theme. So it makes sense, in a way.
Just kind of wish every cover wasn't a kaleidoscope. It'll be weird in like a year or two when I boot up my music library and there's a bunch of kaleidoscope covers in the middle of the DT section. Doesn't aesthetically please me that much.
What's going to happen when they start releasing new stuff? They have a kaleidoscope theme for a cover nobody has ever seen?That or other band shots like they did for IaW2017.
I agree. They should have a picture of the original included somewhere. The first couple were ok because it was clear what the original was, but I'm not sure about the TOT release. It's not the cover of the album, is it?*snipI wasn't keen on the kaleidoscope either at first, but it's like a theme. The Ytsejam releases also had their theme. So it makes sense, in a way.
Just kind of wish every cover wasn't a kaleidoscope. It'll be weird in like a year or two when I boot up my music library and there's a bunch of kaleidoscope covers in the middle of the DT section. Doesn't aesthetically please me that much.
I don't mind the theme but it seems a bit silly not to at least have a picture of the original cover art they're referring to on the inside. What's going to happen when they start releasing new stuff? They have a kaleidoscope theme for a cover nobody has ever seen?
I agree. They should have a picture of the original included somewhere. The first couple were ok because it was clear what the original was, but I'm not sure about the TOT release. It's not the cover of the album, is it?*snipI wasn't keen on the kaleidoscope either at first, but it's like a theme. The Ytsejam releases also had their theme. So it makes sense, in a way.
Just kind of wish every cover wasn't a kaleidoscope. It'll be weird in like a year or two when I boot up my music library and there's a bunch of kaleidoscope covers in the middle of the DT section. Doesn't aesthetically please me that much.
I don't mind the theme but it seems a bit silly not to at least have a picture of the original cover art they're referring to on the inside. What's going to happen when they start releasing new stuff? They have a kaleidoscope theme for a cover nobody has ever seen?
I gotta wonder if it might be inside the jacket. For anyone who's already gotten the first couple of releases, are there any liner notes and images like the old Ytsejam Records releases, or is it just bare bones basic with copyright info and other necessary stuff? That's one of the things I'm most curious about regarding LNFA (both the reissues and new releases).I don't mind the theme but it seems a bit silly not to at least have a picture of the original cover art they're referring to on the inside. What's going to happen when they start releasing new stuff? They have a kaleidoscope theme for a cover nobody has ever seen?I agree. They should have a picture of the original included somewhere. The first couple were ok because it was clear what the original was, but I'm not sure about the TOT release. It's not the cover of the album, is it?
I gotta wonder if it might be inside the jacket. For anyone who's already gotten the first couple of releases, are there any liner notes and images like the old Ytsejam Records releases, or is it just bare bones basic with copyright info and other necessary stuff? That's one of the things I'm most curious about regarding LNFA (both the reissues and new releases).I don't mind the theme but it seems a bit silly not to at least have a picture of the original cover art they're referring to on the inside. What's going to happen when they start releasing new stuff? They have a kaleidoscope theme for a cover nobody has ever seen?I agree. They should have a picture of the original included somewhere. The first couple were ok because it was clear what the original was, but I'm not sure about the TOT release. It's not the cover of the album, is it?
I gotta wonder if it might be inside the jacket. For anyone who's already gotten the first couple of releases, are there any liner notes and images like the old Ytsejam Records releases, or is it just bare bones basic with copyright info and other necessary stuff? That's one of the things I'm most curious about regarding LNFA (both the reissues and new releases).I don't mind the theme but it seems a bit silly not to at least have a picture of the original cover art they're referring to on the inside. What's going to happen when they start releasing new stuff? They have a kaleidoscope theme for a cover nobody has ever seen?I agree. They should have a picture of the original included somewhere. The first couple were ok because it was clear what the original was, but I'm not sure about the TOT release. It's not the cover of the album, is it?
I gotta wonder if it might be inside the jacket. For anyone who's already gotten the first couple of releases, are there any liner notes and images like the old Ytsejam Records releases, or is it just bare bones basic with copyright info and other necessary stuff? That's one of the things I'm most curious about regarding LNFA (both the reissues and new releases).I don't mind the theme but it seems a bit silly not to at least have a picture of the original cover art they're referring to on the inside. What's going to happen when they start releasing new stuff? They have a kaleidoscope theme for a cover nobody has ever seen?I agree. They should have a picture of the original included somewhere. The first couple were ok because it was clear what the original was, but I'm not sure about the TOT release. It's not the cover of the album, is it?
I have the I&W: Tokyo and the ADTOE Soundboards, and there is only bones copyright info, band members, and "necessary stuff". I'm not even sure the I&W: Tokyo had the specific date of the show.
So the next one to be released (Sept 14) is the Master of Puppets cover from Barcelona 2002.
So the next one to be released (Sept 14) is the Master of Puppets cover from Barcelona 2002.
Any different from the official bootleg? Remaster? Remix? I don't think new art is going to be enough to get me to buy into this one.
So the next one to be released (Sept 14) is the Master of Puppets cover from Barcelona 2002.
Any different from the official bootleg? Remaster? Remix? I don't think new art is going to be enough to get me to buy into this one.
They are all remastered, apparently.
So the next one to be released (Sept 14) is the Master of Puppets cover from Barcelona 2002.
Any different from the official bootleg? Remaster? Remix? I don't think new art is going to be enough to get me to buy into this one.
They are all remastered, apparently.
Has anyone done an A/B comparison between Happy Holidays 2013 and LFNA #2 A Dramatic Tour Of Events?
If the remastering isn't that much of an improvement, it'll save me tons of money from re-buying anything they already released under the YtseJam Recrods label.
-Marc.
I'm still glad I have it because I still do physical media and will never stop.
I saw the I&W live in Japan 2017 in store on the weekend but thought I'd check it out first. Holy hell this is bad. I love James and his performances I never really have an issue with but Jesus, I feel for him on this one. You can hear him just dying in certain parts.
I saw the I&W live in Japan 2017 in store on the weekend but thought I'd check it out first. Holy hell this is bad. I love James and his performances I never really have an issue with but Jesus, I feel for him on this one. You can hear him just dying in certain parts.
The only part I consider sort of meh is Take The Time, which is shown why they haven't played that song.
I don't blame JLB either. His vocals are not the same as those Images and Words Days. This tour was also an immense tour and I am sure JLB really struggled to keep his voice in tip-top shape. This was a demanding tour for JLB.
Well, they already tuned everything from IaW (aside from WFS) down a half-step - I think tuning it down more would probably making it sounds like sludge. The other thing that would've probably been the wiser choice is just to skip over that one troublesome section like they did while MP was still in the band (which they had been doing since 2007, aside from the 5 times they played IaW in full to celebrate the 15th anniversary). I don't think there would've been any harm in doing that.I saw the I&W live in Japan 2017 in store on the weekend but thought I'd check it out first. Holy hell this is bad. I love James and his performances I never really have an issue with but Jesus, I feel for him on this one. You can hear him just dying in certain parts.
The only part I consider sort of meh is Take The Time, which is shown why they haven't played that song.
I don't blame JLB either. His vocals are not the same as those Images and Words Days. This tour was also an immense tour and I am sure JLB really struggled to keep his voice in tip-top shape. This was a demanding tour for JLB.
They shouldn't have done it IMO. For James to go through this and sound how he does here, it wasn't worth it. At least change the keys of the songs significantly to help him.
Well, they already tuned everything from IaW (aside from WFS) down a half-step - I think tuning it down more would probably making it sounds like sludge. The other thing that would've probably been the wiser choice is just to skip over that one troublesome section like they did while MP was still in the band (which they had been doing since 2007, aside from the 5 times they played IaW in full to celebrate the 15th anniversary). I don't think there would've been any harm in doing that.I saw the I&W live in Japan 2017 in store on the weekend but thought I'd check it out first. Holy hell this is bad. I love James and his performances I never really have an issue with but Jesus, I feel for him on this one. You can hear him just dying in certain parts.
The only part I consider sort of meh is Take The Time, which is shown why they haven't played that song.
I don't blame JLB either. His vocals are not the same as those Images and Words Days. This tour was also an immense tour and I am sure JLB really struggled to keep his voice in tip-top shape. This was a demanding tour for JLB.
They shouldn't have done it IMO. For James to go through this and sound how he does here, it wasn't worth it. At least change the keys of the songs significantly to help him.
Well, they already tuned everything from IaW (aside from WFS) down a half-step - I think tuning it down more would probably making it sounds like sludge. The other thing that would've probably been the wiser choice is just to skip over that one troublesome section like they did while MP was still in the band (which they had been doing since 2007, aside from the 5 times they played IaW in full to celebrate the 15th anniversary). I don't think there would've been any harm in doing that.I saw the I&W live in Japan 2017 in store on the weekend but thought I'd check it out first. Holy hell this is bad. I love James and his performances I never really have an issue with but Jesus, I feel for him on this one. You can hear him just dying in certain parts.
The only part I consider sort of meh is Take The Time, which is shown why they haven't played that song.
I don't blame JLB either. His vocals are not the same as those Images and Words Days. This tour was also an immense tour and I am sure JLB really struggled to keep his voice in tip-top shape. This was a demanding tour for JLB.
They shouldn't have done it IMO. For James to go through this and sound how he does here, it wasn't worth it. At least change the keys of the songs significantly to help him.
You can't reflect on something you never did and the music reflects that. The absurdly high JP verse takes all the energy built up in the song and pays it off.I don't think worry about the lyrics not making complete sense is a huge problem in the live setting. I doubt anyone in the audience is gonna say "hey - they skipped a section! Now the song lyrics make no sense!" As is clearly evident from this discussion, there's more of a focus on his performance. So if skipping a particularly difficult part will save him a bit of struggle, then why not skip it?
LaBrie couldn't sing anything that tour and he modified the melody in that verse to be something more reasonable. His voice was shredded and couldn't be saved. Just had to roll with it. Why make a centerpiece of the set worse to fight the inevitable?
You can't reflect on something you never did and the music reflects that. The absurdly high JP verse takes all the energy built up in the song and pays it off.I don't think worry about the lyrics not making complete sense is a huge problem in the live setting. I doubt anyone in the audience is gonna say "hey - they skipped a section! Now the song lyrics make no sense!" As is clearly evident from this discussion, there's more of a focus on his performance. So if skipping a particularly difficult part will save him a bit of struggle, then why not skip it?
LaBrie couldn't sing anything that tour and he modified the melody in that verse to be something more reasonable. His voice was shredded and couldn't be saved. Just had to roll with it. Why make a centerpiece of the set worse to fight the inevitable?
I wonder, is there a list out there somehow of the bootlegs which were released by YtsjeJam? Then I might have a clue of which bootlegs will be rereleased by InsideOut.List of Ytsejam Products
You can't reflect on something you never did and the music reflects that. The absurdly high JP verse takes all the energy built up in the song and pays it off.I don't think worry about the lyrics not making complete sense is a huge problem in the live setting. I doubt anyone in the audience is gonna say "hey - they skipped a section! Now the song lyrics make no sense!" As is clearly evident from this discussion, there's more of a focus on his performance. So if skipping a particularly difficult part will save him a bit of struggle, then why not skip it?
LaBrie couldn't sing anything that tour and he modified the melody in that verse to be something more reasonable. His voice was shredded and couldn't be saved. Just had to roll with it. Why make a centerpiece of the set worse to fight the inevitable?
You can't reflect on something you never did and the music reflects that. The absurdly high JP verse takes all the energy built up in the song and pays it off.I don't think worry about the lyrics not making complete sense is a huge problem in the live setting. I doubt anyone in the audience is gonna say "hey - they skipped a section! Now the song lyrics make no sense!" As is clearly evident from this discussion, there's more of a focus on his performance. So if skipping a particularly difficult part will save him a bit of struggle, then why not skip it?
LaBrie couldn't sing anything that tour and he modified the melody in that verse to be something more reasonable. His voice was shredded and couldn't be saved. Just had to roll with it. Why make a centerpiece of the set worse to fight the inevitable?
If it were only that section he struggled with then I'd agree. Based on this, you'd cut multiple sections on most of the songs. He changes the phrasing on some parts which is fine. He should have done that more.
So the next one to be released (Sept 14) is the Master of Puppets cover from Barcelona 2002.
Any different from the official bootleg? Remaster? Remix? I don't think new art is going to be enough to get me to buy into this one.
They are all remastered, apparently.
Has anyone done an A/B comparison between Happy Holidays 2013 and LFNA #2 A Dramatic Tour Of Events?
If the remastering isn't that much of an improvement, it'll save me tons of money from re-buying anything they already released under the YtseJam Recrods label.
-Marc.
No liners for the re-released YtseJam stuff would be a big turnoff for me. Having some good terlet material to peruse is always good, and why I like the OG releases that had them.
No liners for the re-released YtseJam stuff would be a big turnoff for me. Having some good terlet material to peruse is always good, and why I like the OG releases that had them.
Portnoy always had interesting insights. It was odd though how some of the live albums had no liner notes. Nothing. Hey, here's a show we did in Tokyo in 1998 because whatever. Furthermore, that show didn't sound particularly great so I was really scratching my head why they bothered releasing it.
No liners for the re-released YtseJam stuff would be a big turnoff for me. Having some good terlet material to peruse is always good, and why I like the OG releases that had them.
Portnoy always had interesting insights. It was odd though how some of the live albums had no liner notes. Nothing. Hey, here's a show we did in Tokyo in 1998 because whatever. Furthermore, that show didn't sound particularly great so I was really scratching my head why they bothered releasing it.
I thought the 1998 show they released was an LA show? Or do you mean the 1995 Tokyo show from the Awake Tour? That one is a bit questionable, but it's a great setlist.
-Marc.
I was browsing through the iTunes store and I was surprised that they had a release this year called The Eternal Dance. It's a 1993 live show broadcast in Wisconsin? I am not familiar with their live discography.
The 3rd installment of Dream Theater's 'Lost Not Forgotten Archives ‘Train of Thought Instrumental Demos’- is out today on CD and Digital and features instrumental studio demo tracks from the recording of the monumental 2003 album, Train of Thought. The black vinyl in Europe will be out on Sept. 17th. Unfortunately, due to continued delays with vinyl manufacturing, the vinyl release in the United States won't be available until March 4th, 2022 but orders will ship as soon as product becomes available.
https://dream-theater.lnk.to/LostNotForgottenArchives_TrainOfThoughtInstrumentalDemos
No announcement on what comes next for number 5, right?
-Marc.
No announcement on what comes next for number 5, right?
-Marc.
I might be wrong, but I think they'll skip October so that they don't have two releases that same month (along with AVFTTOTW).
Is there anyone talented enough to put the Train Of Thought vocals over the Demo tracks?
Is there anyone talented enough to put the Train Of Thought vocals over the Demo tracks?
Is there anyone talented enough to put the Train Of Thought vocals over the Demo tracks?
If there is I'll give them half a dozen dollars.
Is there anyone talented enough to put the Train Of Thought vocals over the Demo tracks?
This is awesome! Thank you.Is there anyone talented enough to put the Train Of Thought vocals over the Demo tracks?
If there is I'll give them half a dozen dollars.Is there anyone talented enough to put the Train Of Thought vocals over the Demo tracks?
Here is it, As I Am Instrumental Demo with Vocals:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r489LxOCf68&ab_channel=MarceloNanjari
Note: I'll be uploading more of these in the next days.
That is awesome Marcelo! Thank you.
Looking forward to the others!!
well done Marcelo, very talented obviously.
This is awesome! Thank you.Is there anyone talented enough to put the Train Of Thought vocals over the Demo tracks?
If there is I'll give them half a dozen dollars.Is there anyone talented enough to put the Train Of Thought vocals over the Demo tracks?
Here is it, As I Am Instrumental Demo with Vocals:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r489LxOCf68&ab_channel=MarceloNanjari
Note: I'll be uploading more of these in the next days.
Edit: Apparently I'm still figuring out how to use the quote function. Anyway, let me repeat, thank you!
Thank you for your comments!
Here is "This Dying Soul".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du7UMIJwMIg&ab_channel=
Very cool Marcelo - thanks for doing this. Just out of curiosity, how did you get the vocal stems? I know that there are individual stems out there for all of IaW, Awake, FII, SFaM, 8v, BCaSL and a few tracks from the MM-era, but AFAIK, nothing from the other MP-era albums. Did you extract the vocals from the 2-track album versions?
Very nicely done! Cool to see what can be extracted. I barely know my way around Audacity, but I'm curious to know what kind of software you used and what method(s) you used to do it (but please, in simple basic terms so that I can understand! :biggrin:)Very cool Marcelo - thanks for doing this. Just out of curiosity, how did you get the vocal stems? I know that there are individual stems out there for all of IaW, Awake, FII, SFaM, 8v, BCaSL and a few tracks from the MM-era, but AFAIK, nothing from the other MP-era albums. Did you extract the vocals from the 2-track album versions?
Thank you for your comments! As you say, I get the vocals stem by extracting them from the 2-track album version.
Very nicely done! Cool to see what can be extracted. I barely know my way around Audacity, but I'm curious to know what kind of software you used and what method(s) you used to do it (but please, in simple basic terms so that I can understand! :biggrin:)Very cool Marcelo - thanks for doing this. Just out of curiosity, how did you get the vocal stems? I know that there are individual stems out there for all of IaW, Awake, FII, SFaM, 8v, BCaSL and a few tracks from the MM-era, but AFAIK, nothing from the other MP-era albums. Did you extract the vocals from the 2-track album versions?
Thank you for your comments! As you say, I get the vocals stem by extracting them from the 2-track album version.
DEMO SERIES
The Majesty Demos 1985-1986
When Dream and Day Unite Demos 1987-1989
Images and Words Demos 1989-1991
Awake Demos 1994
Falling Into Infinity Demos 1996-1997
Train of Though Instrumental Demos 2003
STUDIO SERIES
The Making of Falling Into Infinity
The Making of Scenes From a Memory
LIVE SERIES
New York City 3/4/93
Tokyo, Japan 10/28/95
Old Bridge, New Jersey 12/14/96
Los Angeles, California 5/18/98
Romania, Bucharest 7/4/02 (DVD only)
When Dream and Day Reunite
Santiago, Chile 12/6/05 (DVD only)
COVER SERIES
Master of Puppets
The Number of the Beast
The Dark Side of the Moon
Made in Japan
Uncovered 2003-2005
LTE SERIES
Live in NYC
When the Keyboard Breaks: Live in Chicago
Live in LA
LTE Live 2008 (Box Set)
Was there ever a unofficial bootleg of the Twelve Step Suite?No, and I'm not sure why there would be, since they never played the whole thing live.
I suppose they could edit it together from separate performances of each of the 5 songs. But I doubt that they would.so would I. And I wouldn't even want such a release. I'm far more interested in what they'll release that is actually previously unreleased, i.e. not a reissue of the YJR releases. (although it's nice they get their reissues as well, don't get me wrong.)
For TGP, there was one on the Gigantour release, I think, but I don't own it so can't really comment on that one. Also, there was another in the Fan Club release for Graspop 2002, but that one should be very hard to find.
yes, opening the show (as was customary on the first two European legs of the tour)For TGP, there was one on the Gigantour release, I think, but I don't own it so can't really comment on that one. Also, there was another in the Fan Club release for Graspop 2002, but that one should be very hard to find.
Also the Bucharest DVD.
yes, opening the show (as was customary on the first two European legs of the tour)For TGP, there was one on the Gigantour release, I think, but I don't own it so can't really comment on that one. Also, there was another in the Fan Club release for Graspop 2002, but that one should be very hard to find.
Also the Bucharest DVD.
Was there ever a unofficial bootleg of the Twelve Step Suite?No, and I'm not sure why there would be, since they never played the whole thing live.
They never did the Twelve Step Suite live? One of the reasons I wish Portnoy stayed much longer then he did.
DT never did, but Portnoy did it with one of the 73 bands he's played with over the last eleven years: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrZT_EyxXGk
ehh. Is it a financial gain to launch albums people have listened to 100 times before with barely noticeable sound difference?
Its allready out there!
ehh. Is it a financial gain to launch albums people have listened to 100 times before with barely noticeable sound difference?it is, but some people (myself included) missed out back in the day and the original pressings are now rare items that can be very expensive, so it's nice to be able to get these reissues.
Its allready out there!
The latest forthcoming presentation in Dream Theater's archival series features a remastering of the original 2004 live release, ‘When Dream and Day Reunite’, including a full concert performance of the band’s debut studio album, and on-stage reunion with former members Derek Sherinian, and Charlie Dominici. This iconic concert has been one of the most highly sought releases from the original YtseJam Records, and now becomes available on digital and vinyl for the first time!
https://dream-theater.lnk.to/LostNotForgottenArchivesWhenDreamAndDayReuniteLive
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/244013943_10159850766905439_562431690250918609_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_rgb565=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8024bb&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=pZgjZzqwpFIAX8M4Qks&tn=NxOtTxdiZxPkzHAL&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=e13337f9c15fc749d55a52d66e794f26&oe=617E25BF)
ehh. Is it a financial gain to launch albums people have listened to 100 times before with barely noticeable sound difference?
Its allready out there!
I don't have any of the older issues and I'm a vinyl noob, so I'm happy about those re-issues. Also, I have no problem with bands making money off their music.
These Ytse Jam releases are highly sought after collectors items that go for large amounts of money on secondary markets.
The WDADR version of Metropolis is probably their best live version of the song ever released
And what does "highly sought after" mean?
Get outAnd what does "highly sought after" mean?
I'm admittedly guessing a little bit here. But I think it means that people seek after them. Highly.
Hey all ,yes, some shops apparently do stock coloured variants. My shop of choice does too. (red) (https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/poprock/detail/-/art/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-when-dream-and-day-reunite/hnum/10733732)
Anyone know if this new release (WDADR) will be released on colored vinyl ?? All I see on century media Is black vinyl … THANKS !
The WDADR version of Metropolis is probably their best live version of the song ever released
Really? James was ok, but Charlie was off key a lot. If this is true, it's only because most of the live versions of Metropolis (at least the early ones) weren't very good. For the most part, the bass solo gets completely buried in the mix. Off the top of my head, I feel like Score was WAY better.
Not sure what I would consider to be my "favorite" version. Each has something cool to offer. But I'll add to the above by tossing in the LATM version.
I wish this had better audio, but this was my first DT concert and my favorite version of Metropolis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_ut66CBVbc&ab_channel=msterscary
I have a few videos from that day (with better Audio) but I would need to dig through old computers.
Thanks for cracking the code, I know that was a vague statement. :lolAnd what does "highly sought after" mean?
I'm admittedly guessing a little bit here. But I think it means that people seek after them. Highly.
Does anyone know which retailer has the purple vinyl? I’ve only seen red and black so far
Following the kaleidoscope pattern, but this new cover is very cool!True - definitely better than most of the other ones. That said, I personally miss the original cover. Had a lot of fun photographing the cake and getting it to fit into the original album cover.
But... no DVD?
Does anyone know which retailer has the purple vinyl? I’ve only seen red and black so far
Where I'll buy vinyls from (Large in Netherlands) they sell black, red and blue versions. I'll go for the red, since my original When Dream and Day Unite is red as well.
Did you make that one? I didn' remember! Indeed it was a really nice (and fun) cover, great work!Following the kaleidoscope pattern, but this new cover is very cool!True - definitely better than most of the other ones. That said, I personally miss the original cover. Had a lot of fun photographing the cake and getting it to fit into the original album cover.
But... no DVD?
I did - thanks for the compliment. Was a lot of fun. Actually bought 2 cakes on separate occasions - one for a test run and then a second one for the photoshoot. Ironically we mostly used the images from the test run for the final image and added the Happy Anniversary type from the second one, as well meh frosting Majesty symbol we did since the bakery botched the Majesty symbol on the second cake. And then we got to enjoy both cakes after each shoot! :biggrin:Did you make that one? I didn' remember! Indeed it was a really nice (and fun) cover, great work!Following the kaleidoscope pattern, but this new cover is very cool!True - definitely better than most of the other ones. That said, I personally miss the original cover. Had a lot of fun photographing the cake and getting it to fit into the original album cover.
But... no DVD?
The tracklist order is different because that's the order in which the songs were written :tup
The tracklist order is different because that's the order in which the songs were written :tup
I see, of course it is, thanks!
Given all the discussion of the new album, discussion in this thread has understandably dropped off quite a bit. Just wanted to pop in to say that, after listening to my newly-acquired "A Dramatic Tour of Events," I was reminded how good this release is. I never burned it to CD or transferred it to my phone, so despite having downloaded it back when the band provided it for free, I haven't listened to it in years. I'm glad they put it out for purchase on physical media. This is a GREAT collection, and along with LALP, provides such comprehensive coverage of that tour.
This is awesome! Thank you.Is there anyone talented enough to put the Train Of Thought vocals over the Demo tracks?
If there is I'll give them half a dozen dollars.Is there anyone talented enough to put the Train Of Thought vocals over the Demo tracks?
Here is it, As I Am Instrumental Demo with Vocals:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r489LxOCf68&ab_channel=MarceloNanjari
Note: I'll be uploading more of these in the next days.
Edit: Apparently I'm still figuring out how to use the quote function. Anyway, let me repeat, thank you!
I made these ones, hope you like it:
As I Am: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r489LxOCf68
This Dying Soul: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du7UMIJwMIg
Endless Sacrifice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BfKFqDOPsw
Honor Thy Father: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enDPhyn23PM
Vacant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jmUOhXZGdY
Next? Probably Metallica's Master of Puppets with James LaBrie's vocals...!
I made these ones, hope you like it:
As I Am: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r489LxOCf68
This Dying Soul: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du7UMIJwMIg
Endless Sacrifice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BfKFqDOPsw
Honor Thy Father: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enDPhyn23PM
Vacant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jmUOhXZGdY
Next? Probably Metallica's Master of Puppets with James LaBrie's vocals...!
That sounded interesting, so I just listened to Vacant. Why are the vocals completely out of sync? Is that intentional?
As a general comment, not sure why it's only happening now (perhaps the JP/MP reunion helped smooth things over), but I love how quickly they're being released and that they're on the various streaming services.
Either way, it's cool that fans who weren't fans back then are now getting a chance to get some of these cool releases, one month at a time,
I just got the CD for When Dream and Day ReUnite. I had the original DVD back in the day, so I figured I’d get the remastered CD. It’s funny that instead of using pics from that show, they have some from the Octavarium tour lol. I guess someone forgot what four they were on in 2004. Oh well.
I just got the CD for When Dream and Day ReUnite. I had the original DVD back in the day, so I figured I’d get the remastered CD. It’s funny that instead of using pics from that show, they have some from the Octavarium tour lol. I guess someone forgot what four they were on in 2004. Oh well.
See, to me, this is shameful. Does anyone in the band give a shit?
SOmeone already asked this, but I don't see an answer; has anyone A/B'd these re-releases yet? I have a complete set of the Ytsejam releases, and I have no real desire to re-buy them. If it's just a remaster and so the new ones are a little louder, pass (and that's not being critical; I would be thrilled if I DIDN'T have them that they are available again).
These releases would be more interesting if they could alternate between MP and MM eras... But I don't know if they have enough material from MM era to release.
These releases would be more interesting if they could alternate between MP and MM eras... But I don't know if they have enough material from MM era to release.
I'd say they do. TA live, DOT demos, the rest of the Budokan 2017 show, 35th anniversary tour, MM's full audition, other festival shows...
The problem, I think, is that they've committed to re-releasing everything from the original run, and that alone will take them more than 2 years to complete. If they started including more new ones to the mix, which I still want them to, they would never finish with this :P
I would love "Santiago, Chile, 15/12/19 (Distance Over Time Tour and Scenes from a Memory 20 years)".These releases would be more interesting if they could alternate between MP and MM eras... But I don't know if they have enough material from MM era to release.
I'd say they do. TA live, DOT demos, the rest of the Budokan 2017 show, 35th anniversary tour, MM's full audition, other festival shows...
The problem, I think, is that they've committed to re-releasing everything from the original run, and that alone will take them more than 2 years to complete. If they started including more new ones to the mix, which I still want them to, they would never finish with this :P
The complete audition of MM would be AWESOME :hefdaddy
I would love "Santiago, Chile, 15/12/19 (Distance Over Time Tour and Scenes from a Memory 20 years)".The problem is that there's nothing different at that show in terms of the setlist compared to what Distant Memories is. And with them glued to a click track, the room for improvisation or variations is gone. Very few people outside of Chile would bother buying it.
Yeah, I understand. It's just that that's how I got to know Dream Theater's music, so it's a very special show for me. Actually, it's the show and music that got me into metal. It was stunning, I was amazed with everything. The only bad thing is that the sound was horrible. The vocals sounded very saturated while the drums were barely audible, so LNFA would be a good way to get a better sound (in my point of view, because of the above). Another thing that gives a different touch to the concert is the audience. It's not very important when listening to it but it makes my hair stand on end.I would love "Santiago, Chile, 15/12/19 (Distance Over Time Tour and Scenes from a Memory 20 years)".The problem is that there's nothing different at that show in terms of the setlist compared to what Distant Memories is. And with them glued to a click track, the room for improvisation or variations is gone. Very few people outside of Chile would bother buying it.
PD: And James had a cold. The vocals sounded different...!And that right there will guarantee that you'll never see that show released on LNFA, even if the setlist was completely different.
Just curious if anyone has received the autograph vinyl copy of Images & Words Live in Japan 2017 yet ?
Been wondering, does anyone know in which songs Sherinian participated, on When Dream and Day Reunite. Only in Metropolis, or was there more where he was guest-playing? I can't separate him with Rudess...
When you hear cheesy 90s synth patches, it's Derek :D
When you hear cheesy 90s synth patches, it's Derek :DLOL! Yeah, but no. I love his lead sound much more so than JR's, especially during that performance of Metropolis. I could've done without the platform shoes, feather boa, furry carpet and lame posturing, but not his playing or the patches that he used.
Ok so I listened to Metropolis today in the van. I tried to be objective when I got to the solo spots, and I gotta say... my predominant thought when either Jordan or Derek were on the keys was "can you guys stop so I can hear more JP?" I bet if I Was there I would have loved that instrumental section, but listening to it today was a bit fo a slog. I could not say which parts are Jordan's and which were Derek's but I do not have an analytical ear by any stretch. I do, however, think I could tell which vocalist was which.
Differently from the other releases, this one was "remixed" as well... I hope it was remixed by Jimmy T!
Jesus fuck, these album covers
Meant to represent the view (pun not intended) from a kaleidoscope I think.
Differently from the other releases, this one was "remixed" as well... I hope it was remixed by Jimmy T!
Most likely, since, if I'm not mistaken, Jimmy T works for DT full time.
Awake Demos (1994)
The remixed and reworked demos of Awake (1994) are available for the first time on vinyl and present one of the most iconic entries in Dream Theater's discography in its original form. With the fan favorites '6:00', 'Space-Dye Vest', 'The Mirror' and more, this original demo recording of Dream Theater's third studio album, the successor to the legendary 'Images and Words', offers a unique insight into the incomparable history of the quintet.
Out on 25.02.2022
Here's a link to pre-order.
https://www.amazon.com/Lost-Not-Forgotten-Archives-Special/dp/B09P2475Z1/ref=tmm_acd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
Jesus fuck, these album covers
I know!Meant to represent the view (pun not intended) from a kaleidoscope I think.
But why? What does a kaleidoscope have anything to do with DT?
Does anyone who has bought it know why "The Majesty Demos" has 3CDs if its length is 1 hour and 17 minutes?
Does anyone who has bought it know why "The Majesty Demos" has 3CDs if its length is 1 hour and 17 minutes?
Where does it say it has 3 CDs? Are you sure you aren't mistaking the vinyl release, which would include 3 disks (2 vinyl, 1 CD)?
-Marc.
Is there any difference to the Happy Holidays download and the A Dramatic Tour Of Events release besides the running order? ARe they the same files? Sound any different?
Does anyone who has bought it know why "The Majesty Demos" has 3CDs if its length is 1 hour and 17 minutes?
Where does it say it has 3 CDs? Are you sure you aren't mistaking the vinyl release, which would include 3 disks (2 vinyl, 1 CD)?
-Marc.
Century Media (3CD Digipak): https://centurymedia.store/product/Y4CE487COMBO/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-the-majesty-demos-19851986-3-cd-digipak-digital-download?cp=102832_103046_104294
Amazon (Number of Discs: 3): https://www.amazon.com/-/es/Dream-Theater/dp/B09M8WWZ8C/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_es_US=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=110GPKL3DORS1&keywords=Majesty+Demos&qid=1642778360&sprefix=majesty+demos%2Caps%2C193&sr=8-1
That's got to be a mistake. IIRC the original release was 2 discs, one with the Berklee demos and one with the original demo album release.
That's got to be a mistake. IIRC the original release was 2 discs, one with the Berklee demos and one with the original demo album release.Your post is a mistake, too. It was only one CD that had everything on it. :biggrin:
That's got to be a mistake. IIRC the original release was 2 discs, one with the Berklee demos and one with the original demo album release.Your post is a mistake, too. It was only one CD that had everything on it. :biggrin:
Mike Thinks He's Dee Dee Ramone Introducing a Song Song - 12" dance mixHonestly, I would rather hear that.
:djhef:
Maybe Zircon just thought it was 2 CDs because a lot of those early demos releases were two CDs?
I forgot how good A Vision is...
I forgot how good A Vision is...
Quite good! I prefer the version with Charlie, though.
I forgot how good A Vision is...
Quite good! I prefer the version with Charlie, though.
I haven't heard that one, but I think I would also like it. I could hear Charlies vocals fitting perfect over that music.
I forgot how good A Vision is...
Quite good! I prefer the version with Charlie, though.
I haven't heard that one, but I think I would also like it. I could hear Charlies vocals fitting perfect over that music.
It's on the WDADU demos release. That version is about 4 minutes shorter, but it's somehow better. They trimmed all the extra stuff and made it better. Also, Charlie is a better singer overall :P
Hopefully they re-release that one soon.
Please God don't let there be 3 CDs worth of Majesty demos.
I got in these Archives all in and bought them on vinyl, but since the Octavarium Tour pic from 2005 was mis-used on a cover, I began gaining some doubt over this.
sfam2112 they used it inside the gatefold of When Dream and Day Reunite.Is that a misuse? Wasn't that show performed on the Octavarium tour?
Train Of Thought.Still close enough to be on honest mistake. Not bad enough to say "they don't care".
Trust me, the audience for these releases is small.But the audience for these releases are going to be the diehards who want everything and are much more meticulous than the average-joe fan. So no, it's not acceptable.
Not sure if the LNF releases come with any, but one thing that made the Ytsejam releases special were MP’s liner notes to give some background on the recordings.
Not sure if the LNF releases come with any, but one thing that made the Ytsejam releases special were MP’s liner notes to give some background on the recordings.Given that MP's production credits have been removed (at least judging by what I saw on the Majesty demos release) and going by what others have already said about some of the other LNFA reissues, I doubt any of his essays that were on the YJR releases are going to be included on any future releases.
Not sure if the LNF releases come with any, but one thing that made the Ytsejam releases special were MP’s liner notes to give some background on the recordings.Given that MP's production credits have been removed (at least judging by what I saw on the Majesty demos release) and going by what others have already said about some of the other LNFA reissues, I doubt any of his essays that were on the YJR releases are going to be included on any future releases.
Trust me, the audience for these releases is small.But the audience for these releases are going to be the diehards who want everything and are much more meticulous than the average-joe fan. So no, it's not acceptable.
Didn't the documentary come with the artbook?yes it did
Didn't the documentary come with the artbook?Yes, but that's my point. There was no cd size digipack with the documentary. That would not have been the case 10 years ago. Nowadays seems its either bare bones or fully blown artbook.
BTW, I played my kid some of the Majesty stuff on Spotify and they said "Are you sure this is Dream Theater? It sounds like shit!"
Had to agree.
It's not really about how well they are as individual players. The songwriting isn't there yet (although you can definitely see the seeds that would later grow into what DT is now).BTW, I played my kid some of the Majesty stuff on Spotify and they said "Are you sure this is Dream Theater? It sounds like shit!"
Had to agree.
Weren't those tracks all recorded on 8-track and 16-track boards in someone's garage or in the Berkley basements? Of course the recordings themselves sound like shit, but the writing ain't bad for a bunch of 18-20 year-olds. I would have loved to been able to play at that level at that age!
-Marc.
It's not really about how well they are as individual players. The songwriting isn't there yet (although you can definitely see the seeds that would later grow into what DT is now).BTW, I played my kid some of the Majesty stuff on Spotify and they said "Are you sure this is Dream Theater? It sounds like shit!"
Had to agree.
Weren't those tracks all recorded on 8-track and 16-track boards in someone's garage or in the Berkley basements? Of course the recordings themselves sound like shit, but the writing ain't bad for a bunch of 18-20 year-olds. I would have loved to been able to play at that level at that age!
-Marc.
The songs just aren't that good, IMO. I cannot foresee a time when I will ever say "I'm in the mood to listen to the Majesty Demos".
I really like Another Won on Score. I was hoping they'd dust the other songs off occasionally, so we could get a better-sounding live recording of each (of the demos proper, not the "Berklee demos" snippets on this release).
CD + Blu ray DigipakDidn't the documentary come with the artbook?Yes, but that's my point. There was no cd size digipack with the documentary. That would not have been the case 10 years ago. Nowadays seems its either bare bones or fully blown artbook.
I personally did not want to buy the massive artbook that takes up so much room.
Maybe it's just a me problem :lol
BTW, I played my kid some of the Majesty stuff on Spotify and they said "Are you sure this is Dream Theater? It sounds like shit!"
Had to agree.
Weren't those tracks all recorded on 8-track and 16-track boards in someone's garage or in the Berklee basements? Of course the recordings themselves sound like shit, but the writing ain't bad for a bunch of 18-20 year-olds. I would have loved to been able to play at that level at that age!
Weird to think that in about 3 years, those Majesty Demos will be 40 years old. Time certainly flies by, eh?
Lost Not Forgotten Archives: Live in Nyc, 1993 Artwork:
https://gfx67.decks.de/decks/gfx/co_large/front/end_s/cj9-hs.jpg
(decks.de)
This is one of the few YJR releases I bought. I originally received a boot of that show on a cassette from a tape trader via the *Prodigy service sometime later in '93. I had nothing to trade in return, but the guy was nice enough to make me a copy as long as I sent him a cassette and a postage paid envelope. I'd already heard most everything live by that point, but ACOS totally blew me away, and it was wild hearing how much it changed when it was officially released a couple years later.
I cannot foresee a time when I will ever say "I'm in the mood to listen to the Majesty Demos".
I will say that I do enjoy Another Won on Score. If the other songs are comparable to that (I cannot say I recall, 20 years and all that...), I would consider buying a release that has those songs recorded at a Score level of quality.
Weren't those tracks all recorded on 8-track and 16-track boards in someone's garage or in the Berklee basements? Of course the recordings themselves sound like shit, but the writing ain't bad for a bunch of 18-20 year-olds. I would have loved to been able to play at that level at that age!
Probably a 4-track recorder. It's not so much the recordings that are bad, but most of the songs are what you'd expect from a fledgling band: primitive and not particularly well-crafted. Understandable, but it's not stuff that most folks are likely to want to revisit very often.
LOST NOT FORGOTTEN ARCHIVES: LIVE IN NYC - 1993
From Dream Theater’s home state of New York, a homecoming performance at The Limelight, one of NYC’s most iconic clubs of the ‘90s. Including the epic fan-favorite ‘A Change of Seasons’, this set from the quintet’s original tour supporting ‘Images and Words’ showcases one of Dream Theater’s earliest live recorded performances. Re-mastered and available for the first time on vinyl, the release of this classic 1993 concert becomes a quintessential release in the Lost Not Forgotten Archives.
Pre-order CD: https://www.insideoutshop.de/Item/Dream_Theater_-_Lost_Not_Forgotten_Archives-_Live_in_NYC_-_1993_-Special_Edition_2CD_Digipak-/16921
Pre-order vinyl: https://www.insideoutshop.de/Item/Dream_Theater_-_Lost_Not_Forgotten_Archives-_Live_in_NYC_-_1993_-Gatefold_black_3LP-2CD-/16922
Correct.IIRC from the liner notes, they had two 4-track recorders.Weren't those tracks all recorded on 8-track and 16-track boards in someone's garage or in the Berklee basements? Of course the recordings themselves sound like shit, but the writing ain't bad for a bunch of 18-20 year-olds. I would have loved to been able to play at that level at that age!Probably a 4-track recorder. It's not so much the recordings that are bad, but most of the songs are what you'd expect from a fledgling band: primitive and not particularly well-crafted. Understandable, but it's not stuff that most folks are likely to want to revisit very often.
I listened to that 1993 show once. Enjoyed it but tend to like my live albums with a bit more... polish, and less... bootleggy? Curious what this will sound like.
I listened to that 1993 show once. Enjoyed it but tend to like my live albums with a bit more... polish, and less... bootleggy? Curious what this will sound like.
It's not the world's greatest bootleg or anything, but this show is a MUST BUY! The Ytsejam version sounds great!
I listened to that 1993 show once. Enjoyed it but tend to like my live albums with a bit more... polish, and less... bootleggy? Curious what this will sound like.
It's not the world's greatest bootleg or anything, but this show is a MUST BUY! The Ytsejam version sounds great!
I agree. My main reason I bought the Ytsejam release was to hear Eve with the samples, and also the early version of A Change of Seasons. I also think it's a pretty decent sounding recording, it does sound good enough for me.
I listened to that 1993 show once. Enjoyed it but tend to like my live albums with a bit more... polish, and less... bootleggy? Curious what this will sound like.
It's not the world's greatest bootleg or anything, but this show is a MUST BUY! The Ytsejam version sounds great!
I agree. My main reason I bought the Ytsejam release was to hear Eve with the samples, and also the early version of A Change of Seasons. I also think it's a pretty decent sounding recording, it does sound good enough for me.
I meant that the actual bootleg isn't the greatest, but the Ytsejam release is excellent.
Oh, okay...didn't realize you were talking about the bootleg of the official bootleg release.I think what Timmay was referring to was the original "The Dance of Eternity" bootleg, which was a silver CD set that was released at the end of 1993 and was of the same Limelight show (March 4, 1993). Actually the sound quality is pretty impressive given that it was an audience bootleg. Many people including myself were under the impression that it was a soundboard because it sounded that good. But still it is not anywhere near as good as the legitimate soundboard from MP's archive.
Now that the band are back on tour and aren't playing these songs, I'd love to see another release similar to A Dramatic Tour of Events Select Board Mixes/Happy Holidays where they include all the tracks they've performed live the last few tours that haven't seen an official live release from this lineup yet.
Not counting the songs they're currently playing or anything from TA (since I think/hope that'll be a separate release), we have:
Afterlife (2015)
Don't Look Past Me (2017)
A Change of Seasons (2017)
Burning My Soul (2015)
Hell's Kitchen (2017)
Panic Attack (2015)
Constant Motion (2015)
Wither (2015)
The Bigger Picture (2017)
Behind the Veil (2015)
Just make a proper tracklist out of it, and you have a killer 80-minute live set they could fit into one CD and release through the LNFA :metal :metal :metal
I'd buy that.
Take my money!!
Now that the band are back on tour and aren't playing these songs, I'd love to see another release similar to A Dramatic Tour of Events Select Board Mixes/Happy Holidays where they include all the tracks they've performed live the last few tours that haven't seen an official live release from this lineup yet.Please no compilations! But them releasing one of the full-length shows from that brief tour they did in 2015? I'd be lined up for that in a heartbeat.
Not counting the songs they're currently playing or anything from TA (since I think/hope that'll be a separate release), we have:
Afterlife (2015)
Don't Look Past Me (2017)
A Change of Seasons (2017)
Burning My Soul (2015)
Hell's Kitchen (2017)
Panic Attack (2015)
Constant Motion (2015)
Wither (2015)
The Bigger Picture (2017)
Behind the Veil (2015)
Just make a proper tracklist out of it, and you have a killer 80-minute live set they could fit into one CD and release through the LNFA :metal :metal :metal
Please no compilations! But them releasing one of the full-length shows from that brief tour they did in 2015? I'd be lined up for that in a heartbeat.
Please no compilations! But them releasing one of the full-length shows from that brief tour they did in 2015? I'd be lined up for that in a heartbeat.
I agree. I mean, I'd take a compilation if one were offered, but my preference would be the same as yours.
Please no compilations! But them releasing one of the full-length shows from that brief tour they did in 2015? I'd be lined up for that in a heartbeat.
I agree. I mean, I'd take a compilation if one were offered, but my preference would be the same as yours.
The fact that Wither has only ever been played twice in the U.S. is damn shame.
Next Lost Not Forgotten Archives release: ... and Beyond - Live in Japan, 2017
"...And Beyond - Live In Japan 2017" was recorded at the historic Budokan in Tokyo, Japan as part of the "Images, Words & Beyond" Tour 2017.
TRACKLIST
1. The Dark Eternal Night
2. The Bigger Picture
3. Hell’s Kitchen
4. The Gift of Music
5. Our New World
6. Portrait of Tracy
7. As I Am
8. Breaking All Illusions
Out on April, 8th.
https://napalmrecords.com/english/lost-not-forgotten-archives-and-beyond-live-in-japan-2017-digipak-cd.html
That looks totally underwhelming. I remember seeing that set list the first time and thought it was unimpressive. Then I wondered who Tracy was.
Why couldn't they release the whole damn show at once?Because
Why couldn't they release the whole damn show at once?
So.... I'll be that guy, why no ACOS? Is there a reason it's not being released (bearing in mind I did not add up the times to see if it was a CD space issue).
I&W and ACOS should fit on one disc easily.
I&W and ACOS should fit on one disc easily.
Not with all the extra sections/solos/improvs they added to IAW for that tour.
Next Lost Not Forgotten Archives release: ... and Beyond - Live in Japan, 2017
"...And Beyond - Live In Japan 2017" was recorded at the historic Budokan in Tokyo, Japan as part of the "Images, Words & Beyond" Tour 2017.
TRACKLIST
1. The Dark Eternal Night
2. The Bigger Picture
3. Hell’s Kitchen
4. The Gift of Music
5. Our New World
6. Portrait of Tracy
7. As I Am
8. Breaking All Illusions
Out on April, 8th.
https://napalmrecords.com/english/lost-not-forgotten-archives-and-beyond-live-in-japan-2017-digipak-cd.html
Next Lost Not Forgotten Archives release: ... and Beyond - Live in Japan, 2017
"...And Beyond - Live In Japan 2017" was recorded at the historic Budokan in Tokyo, Japan as part of the "Images, Words & Beyond" Tour 2017.
TRACKLIST
1. The Dark Eternal Night
2. The Bigger Picture
3. Hell’s Kitchen
4. The Gift of Music
5. Our New World
6. Portrait of Tracy
7. As I Am
8. Breaking All Illusions
Out on April, 8th.
https://napalmrecords.com/english/lost-not-forgotten-archives-and-beyond-live-in-japan-2017-digipak-cd.html
YES! :metal :metal :metal
Missing ACOS, though :'(
hopefully it makes its way to another of these releases
I don't tend to like it when bands release an incomplete show, so I'm definitely looking forward to ...And Beyond as a step in the right direction while also being disappointed that ACoS will still be missing. Also excited for the long-overdue release of The Bigger Picture live!
Hopefully someday we get a LNF compilation that cleans up some of the missing pieces, including that ACoS. Maybe those songs from 2015 that gzarruk mentioned plus ACoS 2017. That would be about an hour.
I would also love to see the rest of Once in a Livetime, although I'm not optimistic given that YtseJam never did it, and Another Day from Live at the Marquee. I'd actually love the full Marquee show, but I don't think that's possible given that almost all the vocals were re-recorded.
I would also love to see the rest of Once in a Livetime, although I'm not optimistic given that YtseJam never did itAlmost 100% positive it won't happen. There are bootlegs of the full show, and IIRC, at least a few of the tracks that got cut were due to lackluster performances. You're better off enjoying the 1998 fan club CD, which is the perfect companion for OiaL and fills in most of those blanks.
"Another Day" IS available; you have to search for it, but it's a b-side to the "Lie" CD single.....or the Japanese version of L@tM. ;)
I would also love to see the rest of Once in a Livetime, although I'm not optimistic given that YtseJam never did itAlmost 100% positive it won't happen. There are bootlegs of the full show, and IIRC, at least a few of the tracks that got cut were due to lackluster performances. You're better off enjoying the 1998 fan club CD, which is the perfect companion for OiaL and fills in most of those blanks.
"Another Day" IS available; you have to search for it, but it's a b-side to the "Lie" CD single.
Hopefully someday we get a LNF compilation that cleans up some of the missing pieces, including that ACoS. Maybe those songs from 2015 that gzarruk mentioned plus ACoS 2017. That would be about an hour.
But yeah, that covers most of the bases, but I would like to get the full show, even if parts aren't so good (from JLB, I assume). And IIRC at least one song was chopped up on the CD release, so it would be nice to get that restored.
"Another Day" IS available; you have to search for it, but it's a b-side to the "Lie" CD single.....or the Japanese version of L@tM. ;)
But yeah, that covers most of the bases, but I would like to get the full show, even if parts aren't so good (from JLB, I assume). And IIRC at least one song was chopped up on the CD release, so it would be nice to get that restored.
Sadly, they did that with Scarred :-\
Scarred has really gotten the short end of the stick in live releases. OILT was the first live release of Scarred, and then MP skipped it on LSFNY, Budokan and Score because it had that release, but it wasn't even the full song. Finally we get the full song on CiM, but it's... not exactly the best JLB performance. Thinking about it that way, BTFW is practically worth the price of admission for Scarred alone.
Scarred has really gotten the short end of the stick in live releases. OILT was the first live release of Scarred, and then MP skipped it on LSFNY, Budokan and Score because it had that release, but it wasn't even the full song. Finally we get the full song on CiM, but it's... not exactly the best JLB performance. Thinking about it that way, BTFW is practically worth the price of admission for Scarred alone.Well, there is also the official bootleg of the Bucharest 2002 show:
Scarred has really gotten the short end of the stick in live releases. OILT was the first live release of Scarred, and then MP skipped it on LSFNY, Budokan and Score because it had that release, but it wasn't even the full song. Finally we get the full song on CiM, but it's... not exactly the best JLB performance. Thinking about it that way, BTFW is practically worth the price of admission for Scarred alone.Well, there is also the official bootleg of the Bucharest 2002 show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUvvpCeNcmk
WTF ??? I preordered the LNF MAJESTY DEMOS from Century Media on Nov 26 , 2021. Still haven’t received it and although it says my order is ‘in progress” the estimated shipping date is now 12/25/2025 ….!!!
WTF ??? I preordered the LNF MAJESTY DEMOS from Century Media on Nov 26 , 2021. Still haven’t received it and although it says my order is ‘in progress” the estimated shipping date is now 12/25/2025 ….!!!
And one day later, I've just gotten a notice from Amazon that it shipped. So hopefully y'all's should arrive soon, too.
unless maybe you're trying to get some sort of specific colored vinyl variant.
Just out of curiosity, have any of you guys tried ordering from lasercd.com? They stay pretty much on top of their orders, and they're worth checking out, unless maybe you're trying to get some sort of specific colored vinyl variant.
unless maybe you're trying to get some sort of specific colored vinyl variant.
Not directing this at you Scotty, but what's the deal with colored vinyl? Why would I f'n care about that? Aw neat, it's blue. cool. OK, let's play it..
How come they don't have colored CDs?
That's pretty cool that the one picture you found has a picture of our own Millahh in it. ;) :) :) :):tup
Just got an email from Century Media that my LNFA Majesty Demos vinyl is now pushed back to 8/19/22 …F’n Ridiculous!
Just out of curiosity, have any of you guys tried ordering from lasercd.com? They stay pretty much on top of their orders, and they're worth checking out, unless maybe you're trying to get some sort of specific colored vinyl variant.
Just out of curiosity, have any of you guys tried ordering from lasercd.com? They stay pretty much on top of their orders, and they're worth checking out, unless maybe you're trying to get some sort of specific colored vinyl variant.
I try to order from lasercd whenever possible.
https://www.lasercd.com/cd/lnf-and-beyond-live-japan-2017-cd-preorder
It seems like the first set of the 2017 Budokan show is going out as a LNF release. Not sure if ACoS is on the set too or not.
Update: sorry guys, didn't see it had been posted already. But it seems like a real waste not to release ACoS.
https://www.lasercd.com/cd/lnf-and-beyond-live-japan-2017-cd-preorder
It seems like the first set of the 2017 Budokan show is going out as a LNF release. Not sure if ACoS is on the set too or not.
Update: sorry guys, didn't see it had been posted already. But it seems like a real waste not to release ACoS.
Presumably it's so they can release it as a future volume.
https://www.lasercd.com/cd/lnf-and-beyond-live-japan-2017-cd-preorder
It seems like the first set of the 2017 Budokan show is going out as a LNF release. Not sure if ACoS is on the set too or not.
Update: sorry guys, didn't see it had been posted already. But it seems like a real waste not to release ACoS.
Presumably it's so they can release it as a future volume.
What could they possibly be saving it for though? I can’t see a good point in that.
Unless, maybe they had a recording of DLPM and TLF on the second leg of the I&W tour, plus some uncovered recordings of some of the FII demos from over the years and we’ve got the “unreleased live” album coming up?
If you are referring to the Live Scenes From New York version of ACOS, I personally disagree - that section from The Simpsons just ruins it.
If you are referring to the Live Scenes From New York version of ACOS, I personally disagree - that section from The Simpsons just ruins it.
Not a fan of the Simpsons section either.
If you are referring to the Live Scenes From New York version of ACOS, I personally disagree - that section from The Simpsons just ruins it.
Not a fan of the Simpsons section either.
Or that baseball theme.
If you are referring to the Live Scenes From New York version of ACOS, I personally disagree - that section from The Simpsons just ruins it.
And calling those other tunes 'reject' songs boggles my mind. The Spirit Carries On is a reject song? Come on.
Everything is unnecessary.If you are referring to the Live Scenes From New York version of ACOS, I personally disagree - that section from The Simpsons just ruins it.
Not a fan of the Simpsons section either.
Or that baseball theme.
Yup. Totally unnecessary.
Everything is unnecessary.If you are referring to the Live Scenes From New York version of ACOS, I personally disagree - that section from The Simpsons just ruins it.
Not a fan of the Simpsons section either.
Or that baseball theme.
Yup. Totally unnecessary.
The band members each incorporated a snippet they really liked. JP included the Simpsons theme, JM included the baseball thing, and JR included that ragtime thing. It's not a big deal, and actually showed their personalities in a way that never happens anymore. This performance in particular makes me nostalgic (a little bit).
I love it when live versions of songs deviate from the studio version. But in the case of ACOS, The Simpsons theme just didn't feel like it fit with such a serious song, in my opinion. It is a cool moment in a live setting, but I didn't care for it in the version of that song immortalized on the Live Scenes From New York album. But I get why others dig it.
I love it when live versions of songs deviate from the studio version. But in the case of ACOS, The Simpsons theme just didn't feel like it fit with such a serious song, in my opinion. It is a cool moment in a live setting, but I didn't care for it in the version of that song immortalized on the Live Scenes From New York album. But I get why others dig it.
And we know the re-releases are the same as the Ytsejam releases (musically)?
Has anyone bought the $250 signed version of the Train of Thought Demos or Master of Puppets?
I'm curious if they'd be signed by Mangini or Portnoy. I'm unsure Mangini would want to sign recordings he wasn't involved in.
Has anyone bought the $250 signed version of the Train of Thought Demos or Master of Puppets?Portnoy isn't signing any of these.
I'm curious if they'd be signed by Mangini or Portnoy. I'm unsure Mangini would want to sign recordings he wasn't involved in.
Has anyone bought the $250 signed version of the Train of Thought Demos or Master of Puppets?Portnoy isn't signing any of these.
I'm curious if they'd be signed by Mangini or Portnoy. I'm unsure Mangini would want to sign recordings he wasn't involved in.
James T. Meslin doing the mixing (or remixing in some cases) and Peter Van't Riet doing the mastering. (who btw both were responsible for the results of Distant Memories)And we know the re-releases are the same as the Ytsejam releases (musically)?
All the ones on Apple Music have been the same recordings... but I've seen the Awake Demos CD in the store and it says that it's "Remixed and Remastered" on the hype sticker. I think they've all been given a once over by their sound guy (whose name escapes me at the moment). Maybe not a full remix like the Awake Demos, but at least remastered.
Has anyone bought the $250 signed version of the Train of Thought Demos or Master of Puppets?Portnoy isn't signing any of these.
I'm curious if they'd be signed by Mangini or Portnoy. I'm unsure Mangini would want to sign recordings he wasn't involved in.
I’m going to feel ripped off if my Majesty Demos vinyl isn’t signed by Chris Collins!
Got the "Live In NYC - 1993" album today. Hearing James saying things like "this one's from the new album; here's Under A Glass Moon!" is just so surreal to hear. I was four years old when they played this show!
Got the "Live In NYC - 1993" album today. Hearing James saying things like "this one's from the new album; here's Under A Glass Moon!" is just so surreal to hear. I was four years old when they played this show!
I saw them six days later in Boston and I was 24.
Got the "Live In NYC - 1993" album today. Hearing James saying things like "this one's from the new album; here's Under A Glass Moon!" is just so surreal to hear. I was four years old when they played this show!
I saw them six days later in Boston and I was 24.
That was opening for Maiden, right?
I had seen them three times by this point. I'd heard all the material on the NYC release except TLF, Eve and ACOS (I also had heard OAMOT and Moon Bubbles). I've mentioned before that I first got a tape of this show from a tape trader on *Prodigy. ACOS blew me away, and it was cool to hear how much the song had changed when it got a studio release a couple years later.
I saw them six days later in Boston and I was 24.
I saw them six days later in Boston and I was 24.
Damn. What were the crowd sizes like back then? I have no idea how big Dream Theater was in '93. I know Pull Me Under was a big hit at the time, but I have no real gauge for their popularity in the early 90s.
I hear the next one after that is the FII Demos, in May, but I haven't seen anything official on it.
Next release: Falling Into Infinity Demos
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/poprock/detail/-/art/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-falling-into-infinity/hnum/10896205?lang=en
Next release: Falling Into Infinity Demos
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/poprock/detail/-/art/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-falling-into-infinity/hnum/10896205?lang=en
Yay an album that includes songs that weren't good enough to make it on to their worst album! Where do I sign up?
:biggrin:
Yay an album that includes songs that weren't good enough to make it on to their worst album! Where do I sign up?
:biggrin:
Yeah, I get that reaction, but no. It's essentially the "Director's Cut" of the album, and honestly, I listen to it more than the regular release, frankly. For me, "Lines In The Sand" without the guest vocal is worth the price of admission, and "The Way It Used To Be", "Raising The Knife" and "Cover My Eyes" are as good as anything on the record. "Cover My Eyes" is a top 10 DT song for me.
That is definitely the one I am looking most forward to.
That is definitely the one I am looking most forward to.
This.
It says 1 CD. Wasn’t the YtseJam version 2 CDs?
The next batch I was going to work on if things didn't go the way they went was:
--- a compilation of all the Rush Covers (Covers Series)
--- "The Making of SDOIT" (Studio Series)
--- Poughkeepsie, NY '98 (Xmas Unplugged Show - Derek's last show) (Live Series)
and DVD:
--- Several "Pro-shot" BC&SL shows (including Download '09 and the very final show in Tokyo)
Inside Out's promo pic shows 2 discs.
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/276991854_10160186845875439_8632903067469313965_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=uvMgLMUAKMsAX9nEgY3&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-1.xx&oh=00_AT8n4I_fjtjxlsN2yhpkmDkmcjsd9UC2JHsG6tkLJOjx2w&oe=6242860C)
Yay an album that includes songs that weren't good enough to make it on to their worst album! Where do I sign up?Falling Into Infinity, for me, is ranked as low as it is primarily because of the inclusion of roughly half of the songs on the album, at the expense of the better ones that were left off.
:biggrin:
Yay an album that includes songs that weren't good enough to make it on to their worst album! Where do I sign up?
:biggrin:
The songs left out would’ve made FII a better album. I think what people fail to realise is that the “rejects” aren’t necessarily products of the band’s decision, but a lot to do with the label as well. Hence why a banger like You Or Me turned into You Not Me when Desmond Child get involved, or a song like The Way It Used To Be which contains one of my favourite JP solos not making the record. There’s so much better they could’ve done if the right calls were made, otherwise these demos wouldn’t be so revered.
The songs left out would’ve made FII a better album. I think what people fail to realise is that the “rejects” aren’t necessarily products of the band’s decision, but a lot to do with the label as well. Hence why a banger like You Or Me turned into You Not Me when Desmond Child get involved, or a song like The Way It Used To Be which contains one of my favourite JP solos not making the record. There’s so much better they could’ve done if the right calls were made, otherwise these demos wouldn’t be so revered.
...by a vocal, but still very small, minority of the fan base.
My thoughts in a nutshell:
They wrote enough material for a double album, but the label said no. Boo hoo. It was a completely reasonable thing for the label to do. Beyond that, "[t]he label didn’t have an influence on the album." (J. Petrucci). The song selection was entirely up to the band. Did they intentionally leave off songs that they thought were better than the songs they included? I doubt that. If those rejected songs were so strong, why didn't they save them for a subsequent album, rather than "burning" them on a fan club release? There's a quote from MP's old FAQ section (which isn't on his website anymore, and I can't find the quote), where he wrote about how they had to decide what the strongest songs were.
I wish DT would rerecord this stuff. Release it digitally. Seems like easy money.
I wish DT would rerecord this stuff. Release it digitally. Seems like easy money.
Why? It’s about to be released digitally in two months. It’s pretty good quality as is. What’s the point of wasting time and re-recording it?
In fact, the only songs I go back to on the FII Demos are usually "Burning My Soul" 96 and "Take Away My Pain" 96, especially the latter. I still wish the band would have pulled that version out for a tour but I don't think they have.They did the original versions of both songs during the Fix for 96 and Evening of New Music (in 1997) tours and the last of the Ff96 shows was also an official bootleg - you do remember that, don't you Marc?
There's a quote from MP's old FAQ section (which isn't on his website anymore, and I can't find the quote), where he wrote about how they had to decide what the strongest songs were.Correct. An interesting thing is that originally neither YoM nor AL were going to be on the album either, but when they realized they had the space on the CD, they went ahead and included them. In particular YNM ended up on the album because they had worked with Desmond Child on it (I imagine kinda like a "hail Mary" attempt at getting a hit).
In my opinion, YNM is MUCH better than YOM (and my understanding is that Childs's contribution was only lyrical and that all musical improvements were choices made by JP).I'd be curious to know where you got that idea - got a link? While DC may not have specifically told JP how to change the song, I would imagine that he did direct JP in what he thought needed to change to make it a hit. The irony of it all is that once JP returned and they recorded the song, they ended up changing the key to (I believe just) the chorus, probably to make it easier for JL to sing.
I think that even if you totally prefer every choice that was made between the FII Demos and final release, this is still an interesting release to have if you're a fan of the band. You get real insight into the process of how this album was made by hearing earlier versions of songs from the album, you get to hear four songs that you can't easily get anywhere else today, and, even if you totally hate FII for some reason, you get the beginning of how SFAM came to be. That's a far cry from the Awake and ToT Demos, which don't deviate too much from versions of the songs that are available elsewhere (aside from being instrumental in the case of ToT, I guess).Nice post 425! You bring up a good point about the dynamic between the band members and how strongly each felt about each song that they put together during the FII sessions. Unfortunately, I don't know if we'll ever really know the true answer. Even if each of the guys were to talk about it, perspectives change over time and being 25 years ago, I imagine some memories are also hazy, too. One example would be Derek's feelings about Anna Lee. I don't know how he felt originally about the song, but years later, he's spoken negatively about it and even redone it as an instrumental track that ended up on one of his solo albums. So who's to say the same isn't true for some of the other guys, too?My thoughts in a nutshell:I think it's not hard to read between the lines of their comments over the years and see that there was disagreement within the band (and probably within the management) over how to approach this album, and that MP's comments sort of make it seem like "band vs. label" because that's how he felt about it. But even he has said pretty openly that part of his frustration during that period was being on the 2 side of a lot of 3-2 votes within the band (the typically speculation is that it was him and JLB), which tells us right there that not everyone in the band agreed with his take. (And "once again outnumbered" in Raise the Knife was about a management decision, which means that the majority of band members were happy with the manager who took them through the FII period.)
They wrote enough material for a double album, but the label said no. Boo hoo. It was a completely reasonable thing for the label to do. Beyond that, "[t]he label didn’t have an influence on the album." (J. Petrucci). The song selection was entirely up to the band. Did they intentionally leave off songs that they thought were better than the songs they included? I doubt that. If those rejected songs were so strong, why didn't they save them for a subsequent album, rather than "burning" them on a fan club release? There's a quote from MP's old FAQ section (which isn't on his website anymore, and I can't find the quote), where he wrote about how they had to decide what the strongest songs were.
That said: I think the point that they (or at last MP) wanted to do a double album, that the label refused, and that the label may well have had good reason for doing so makes this an interesting artifact of that era in music history. Today, no prog band that is signed to a label is going to have any problem making a double album if they want to, because the economics are different, the goals of the labels are different, and because there are more genre-specific specialty labels. Hell, just last year we had a band, of which MP is a member, release three different versions of the same album, two of them longer than CD length, because the band couldn't agree on which version to use and the label was all too happy to put them all out.
So five songs from an album being left on the floor because of a label decision is just not something that you would see anymore, and it's interesting to think about how that change affects the creative process, for better and maybe for worse (if you think that FII is better as a single album, it's "for worse" at least to the extent that, if FII were made today, it would probably be a double).
Btw, I don't know that I'm arguing for a specific point here, necessarily—just sharing some stray thoughts on this release and the history of FII.
I can see both sides, but at the very least, I would like to see them properly remix all the tracks so that their full potential can be realized. They supposedly remixed the Awake demos (why, I don't know) for the LNFA reissue, so I don't think it would be too much to hope for with regards to the FII demos.Especially given that 2/5 of the band are new members. No offense to anyone, but I don't have any desire to hear these songs done in the studio by the current band. The ONLY songs I ever wanted re-recorded were those that don't have James singing.I wish DT would rerecord this stuff. Release it digitally. Seems like easy money.Why? It’s about to be released digitally in two months. It’s pretty good quality as is. What’s the point of wasting time and re-recording it?
In fact, the only songs I go back to on the FII Demos are usually "Burning My Soul" 96 and "Take Away My Pain" 96, especially the latter. I still wish the band would have pulled that version out for a tour but I don't think they have.They did the original versions of both songs during the Fix for 96 and Evening of New Music (in 1997) tours and the last of the Ff96 shows was also an official bootleg - you do remember that, don't you Marc?
Oh I remember, I more or less meant SINCE the 90s, as in, bringing them *back* out for a later tour, like they've done with, I think, "Burning My Soul '96" and "Lines In The Sand '96", though I can't recall which tour(s) they did those versions of those songs.
-Marc.
Yay an album that includes songs that weren't good enough to make it on to their worst album! Where do I sign up?
:biggrin:
Yeah, I get that reaction, but no. It's essentially the "Director's Cut" of the album...
For me, Raise The Knife, Speak To Me, The Way It Used To Be, Cover My Eyes, Where Are You Now are all better than You Not Me, Burning My Soul, Take Away My Pain, and Just Let Me Breathe, and it's not close. That foursome of songs is the reason that FII was such a huge dropoff from the glory that was I&W and Awake, at the time.
Oh I remember, I more or less meant SINCE the 90s, as in, bringing them *back* out for a later tour, like they've done with, I think, "Burning My Soul '96" and "Lines In The Sand '96", though I can't recall which tour(s) they did those versions of those songs.
-Marc.
World Tourbulence.
Yeah, those were played during World Tourbulence, one of my favorite tours. When they brought back LitS for the Chaos in Motion tour, they did include the final verse that's only on the demo, but otherwise it was pretty much like the album version. When it comes to TAMP, they only played it on Touring Into Infinity. The interesting thing is, during that tour (and by that, I'm not including the fan club show or the 98 holiday shows), they did a kind of hybrid version that was half demo version and half album version.Thank you! I wanted to say it was the 2002 tour, but I wasn't entirely sure. I didn't think it was the 03/04 Train Of Thought tour, and definitely not the 05/06 Octavarium Tour. And speaking of the World Tourbulence tour, it would be neat to see the band release a CD set of a show from that tour considering it was the only major tour they never released an audio CD show from the 00s (up to the BC&SL Tour).Oh I remember, I more or less meant SINCE the 90s, as in, bringing them *back* out for a later tour, like they've done with, I think, "Burning My Soul '96" and "Lines In The Sand '96", though I can't recall which tour(s) they did those versions of those songs.World Tourbulence.
Regarding them releasing a show from World Tourbulence, it's always possible, but at least the Bucharest show was released by YJR on video, so you can rip the audio from that until they do release a show.
I'm not counting on that. WDADR was released as both audio and video on YtseJam, while Bucharest and Santiago were video-only. Right now I'm just hoping we really do get those video releases, seeing as LNF has been audio-only thus far.
I'm not counting on that. WDADR was released as both audio and video on YtseJam, while Bucharest and Santiago were video-only. Right now I'm just hoping we really do get those video releases, seeing as LNF has been audio-only thus far.Not only that - neither complete show would fit on 2 CDs and YJR never released 3 CD sets. Given the stripped down, minimalist nature of the LNFA reissues, I kinda doubt they'd do 3 CD releases either, although I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
I'm not counting on that. WDADR was released as both audio and video on YtseJam, while Bucharest and Santiago were video-only. Right now I'm just hoping we really do get those video releases, seeing as LNF has been audio-only thus far.
If WDADR wasn't re-released in video form nor the Budokan 2017 show, I think there's no chance they'll do video releases for the others.
Should be interesting. I’ve had the Cleaning Out the Closet CD for a long time, but it’s only half the picture. The Score version of RTK kills the studio version imo so I’m curious what this demo version sounds like.
Like Cool Chris, it’s my least favorite album but this at least will spark my interest in the material.
Should be interesting. I’ve had the Cleaning Out the Closet CD for a long time, but it’s only half the picture. The Score version of RTK kills the studio version imo so I’m curious what this demo version sounds like.
Like Cool Chris, it’s my least favorite album but this at least will spark my interest in the material.
I’m pretty sure it’s the same version. I don’t think it ever got past the demo stage. Same for Where Are You Now, The Way it Used to Be, Cover My Eyes and Speak to Me. I could be wrong though.
Should be interesting. I’ve had the Cleaning Out the Closet CD for a long time, but it’s only half the picture. The Score version of RTK kills the studio version imo so I’m curious what this demo version sounds like.
Like Cool Chris, it’s my least favorite album but this at least will spark my interest in the material.
I’m pretty sure it’s the same version. I don’t think it ever got past the demo stage. Same for Where Are You Now, The Way it Used to Be, Cover My Eyes and Speak to Me. I could be wrong though.
I remember when I got COTC and I a/b'ed the FII Demos versions to the ones on COTC have a bit more of a polished sound/mix on them. Maybe someone else can confirm this if they have both as well? It's been awhile since I've listened to the demos as I just keep COTC on my phone for listening purposes.
-Marc.
Should be interesting. I’ve had the Cleaning Out the Closet CD for a long time, but it’s only half the picture. The Score version of RTK kills the studio version imo so I’m curious what this demo version sounds like.
Like Cool Chris, it’s my least favorite album but this at least will spark my interest in the material.
I’m pretty sure it’s the same version. I don’t think it ever got past the demo stage. Same for Where Are You Now, The Way it Used to Be, Cover My Eyes and Speak to Me. I could be wrong though.
I remember when I got COTC and I a/b'ed the FII Demos versions to the ones on COTC have a bit more of a polished sound/mix on them. Maybe someone else can confirm this if they have both as well? It's been awhile since I've listened to the demos as I just keep COTC on my phone for listening purposes.
-Marc.
The ones on COTC were probably mastered and the demos weren’t. All of these LNF releases are apparently “remastered”. So this new one should sound closer to the COTC sound, or better.
Should be interesting. I’ve had the Cleaning Out the Closet CD for a long time, but it’s only half the picture. The Score version of RTK kills the studio version imo so I’m curious what this demo version sounds like.
Like Cool Chris, it’s my least favorite album but this at least will spark my interest in the material.
I was hoping when they started doing these, that they would just do an updated COTC. Just remaster and release all the best versions of all the unreleased songs.
I was hoping when they started doing these, that they would just do an updated COTC. Just remaster and release all the best versions of all the unreleased songs.
Should be interesting. I’ve had the Cleaning Out the Closet CD for a long time, but it’s only half the picture. The Score version of RTK kills the studio version imo so I’m curious what this demo version sounds like.
Like Cool Chris, it’s my least favorite album but this at least will spark my interest in the material.
I’m pretty sure it’s the same version. I don’t think it ever got past the demo stage. Same for Where Are You Now, The Way it Used to Be, Cover My Eyes and Speak to Me. I could be wrong though.
I remember when I got COTC and I a/b'ed the FII Demos versions to the ones on COTC have a bit more of a polished sound/mix on them. Maybe someone else can confirm this if they have both as well? It's been awhile since I've listened to the demos as I just keep COTC on my phone for listening purposes.
-Marc.
The ones on COTC were probably mastered and the demos weren’t. All of these LNF releases are apparently “remastered”. So this new one should sound closer to the COTC sound, or better.
Yes, I believe they got mastered for the COTC release, so I'm positive the new ones will sound at least better than the original FII demos, and hopefully as good or better than COTC.
Speaking of COTC, now that these 5 extra FII songs are getting released to the mainstream public soon, and with TLF already being available in Greatest Hit (... and 21 Other Pretty Cool Songs), only DLPM and Eve are left without a "proper" release, at least in recent years (though Eve just got a live version out). Hopefully they get them out soon, so more people get to know these; and with this year marking IAW's 30th anniversary, they could release a remastered version with these 3 extra songs as bonus material which are closely related to the album anyway. And IAW + DLPM, TLF and Eve would be about a minute shorter than Awake, so it all fits easily on 1 disc :tup
I have been hoping they would just tack on "To Live Forever" (one or both versions, 91 or 94), "Eve" and "Don't Look Past Me" on to "A Change Of Seasons" and make it a studio-only EP (just under 40 minutes for those four songs along, over 45 if you include both versions of TLF), and give us a remastered ACOS release. Although ideally, if they wanted all of the same line-up on a single album, they could take the five FII b-sides and put ACOS on the end and make it an hour long CD. Then toss TLF/Eve/DLPM onto a remastered IAW CD (as they would all fit on a single disc, and a 2LP vinyl).
I have been fortunate to see the original Burning My Soul, Lines In The Sand, Raise the Knife, and Hollow Years at various live DT concerts over the years. Shame that sort of thing ended with Portnoy's exit.
I have been hoping they would just tack on "To Live Forever" (one or both versions, 91 or 94), "Eve" and "Don't Look Past Me" on to "A Change Of Seasons" and make it a studio-only EP (just under 40 minutes for those four songs along, over 45 if you include both versions of TLF), and give us a remastered ACOS release. Although ideally, if they wanted all of the same line-up on a single album, they could take the five FII b-sides and put ACOS on the end and make it an hour long CD. Then toss TLF/Eve/DLPM onto a remastered IAW CD (as they would all fit on a single disc, and a 2LP vinyl).
That's the first proposed, or actual, release I'd consider buying. Though 2 versions of TLF is still 2 too many. I have no desire to own the Change of Seasons EP, I just downloaded that song years ago and called it good. I don't have any desire to own any DT covers. But I'd at least consider what you proposed.
I remember the first time I read about Cleaning Out the Closet on this forum (or whatever version of this forum existed 20 years ago). I thought it was definitely something I had to get my hands on, and was frustrated I couldn't manage to for several years. Then I finally got it, and thought "that is what I have wanted all these years?" It is a nice fan club release, but I am still baffled at the holy grail status is has achieved over the years.
Here's the thing though - MP didn't drop a song from the setlist just because it didn't get a great audience reaction. If he did, you can be sure that Another Won would've never made it beyond the first two weeks of the 20th Anniversary tour. Same for Raise the Knife, although it wasn't played at every show. But thanks to him not simply catering the the audience when it came to deep cuts and rarities, those songs are much more well known by the audience fanbase, especially since Score was released. So I give props to JP for adding DLPM to the setlist, but am disappointed he didn't keep it in there for the balance of the tour considering that it took up a small fraction of the whole show, much of which was filled with popular DT songs.I have been fortunate to see the original Burning My Soul, Lines In The Sand, Raise the Knife, and Hollow Years at various live DT concerts over the years. Shame that sort of thing ended with Portnoy's exit.Not really. A few years back they did Don't Look Past Me and it went over like a lead balloon.
I be agree Scotty. He should’ve left that in. There’s value in long term fans seeing a rarity than a short term fan needing a kiss break.
When he dropped The Great Debate on the ADTOE tour, at least he had the fall back of “ the fans want more of the new album” and kept both Outcry and BAI.
I be agree Scotty. He should’ve left that in. There’s value in long term fans seeing a rarity than a short term fan needing a kiss break.
Are there a lot of fans making out at DT concerts? :lol Also, wasn't DLPM only played a handful of times during that tour? A real shame it wasn't played more, but I think it was kind of hard of James' voice considering how difficult some of the vocal parts were, but musically, from some of the YouTube videos I saw, it sounded great. They definitely should've left it in the setlist.
It's true Marc. Initially when they started doing the first full Dramatic shows (by that, I mean not the warm up shows they did in Europe), among the tracks that alternated were Outcry and BAI. For the first week or two, Outcry closed half the shows and BAI the other half, with TGD played at every show in the middle of the set. And then it was dropped, Outcry moved to the middle and BAI closed out all the shows from that point onward.When he dropped The Great Debate on the ADTOE tour, at least he had the fall back of “ the fans want more of the new album” and kept both Outcry and BAI.They dropped TGD to keep both "Outcry" and "Breaking All Illusions"? Man, that's rough, but if ADTOE wasn't as well received as it was, I'm sure there would've been a bigger outcry (pun intended) when they dropped TGD, which I think is a great song that doesn't get enough attention. I wonder if they'll ever play it again.
Interestingly, TGD was played during the warm up leg in Europe, so by the fact that JP decided to keep it in the set for the first run through North America suggests that it must've gotten at least a decent response in Europe. As for it returning to the setlist, I highly doubt it, given how JP seems fairly quick to drop songs from the set that don't get a good audience reaction. Maybe in Europe, but not in North America, and considering that they don't seem to be changing the setlist between tour legs, I don't see it coming back at all.
Different strokes for different folks. I'm sure there are some DT songs that you love that others loathe and would be happy to never see at a DT show again, either. :PInterestingly, TGD was played during the warm up leg in Europe, so by the fact that JP decided to keep it in the set for the first run through North America suggests that it must've gotten at least a decent response in Europe. As for it returning to the setlist, I highly doubt it, given how JP seems fairly quick to drop songs from the set that don't get a good audience reaction. Maybe in Europe, but not in North America, and considering that they don't seem to be changing the setlist between tour legs, I don't see it coming back at all.And some of us are incredibly happy about that!
I think Don't Look Past Me would have had much more success if James took a moment or two to give the audience some background on it before they played it live. There was a lot of enjoyable banter on that tour, so I'm surprised they didn't Take The Time (pun intended) to give DLPM a proper introduction.
I think Don't Look Past Me would have had much more success if James took a moment or two to give the audience some background on it before they played it live. There was a lot of enjoyable banter on that tour, so I'm surprised they didn't Take The Time (pun intended) to give DLPM a proper introduction.
I thought he did. They didn’t play it here, but from the videos I saw be introduced DLPM and TLF as songs that were left off of I&W. Or something to that effect.
The theme behind the most recent setlist could be described as heavier and longer, so I wouldn't be surprised if next time they shift towards lighter and shorter.
I’m just glad they played it. Even if I didn’t get to see it. They played it 13 times before it got dropped. It’s not like they played it twice and gave up. I’m less disappointed that they dropped it and more sad that most of the audiences didn’t know the song.But the more often it would get played, the more familiar audiences would become with it - especially if it ended up on a live release like Another Won and Raise the Knife.
I’m just glad they played it. Even if I didn’t get to see it. They played it 13 times before it got dropped. It’s not like they played it twice and gave up. I’m less disappointed that they dropped it and more sad that most of the audiences didn’t know the song.But the more often it would get played, the more familiar audiences would become with it - especially if it ended up on a live release like Another Won and Raise the Knife.
I would love to hear from someone who has the YtseJam release gets the LNF release of the FII Demos. My policy has been not to buy the LNF releases when I have the YtseJam release, but if there's a noticeable improve in the audio quality of the FII Demos, that might be the one that gets me to break that policy.
"...And Beyond" got released today! Nice to finally have official live versions of Hell's Kitchen, The Bigger Picture and two songs from The Astonishing :metal
Just missing ACOS there, but I guess they'll end up including it in a future release sometime soon.
"...And Beyond" got released today! Nice to finally have official live versions of Hell's Kitchen, The Bigger Picture and two songs from The Astonishing :metal
Just missing ACOS there, but I guess they'll end up including it in a future release sometime soon.
"...And Beyond" got released today! Nice to finally have official live versions of Hell's Kitchen, The Bigger Picture and two songs from The Astonishing :metal
Just missing ACOS there, but I guess they'll end up including it in a future release sometime soon.
Hmmm, hope it’s gonna be available for streaming.
IIRC, this is only the third NEW release from the LFNA, right? So far it's just been A Dramatic Tour Of Events and the two Images And Words...And Beyond discs, so just four discs total of "new" material. Hopefully this monthly release schedule means they'll put out some newer material as we move along, rather than all re-releases for the rest of the year. I wouldn't mind a full live concert of The Astonishing Tour, though I wonder if they even bothered to record audio for any of those shows. Even though I'm still a bit lukewarm on that album, maybe a live version might help me like the material a bit more?
Other than that, what else could they possibly release from the last 10-11 years that could be interesting? They've had live material from almost every other tour so far since Mangini joined (LALP, BTFW, and DM), so I'm not sure what else they could release that is new from the Mangini-era. Could they even release anything that has been previously unreleased from before Mangini joined, i.e. a BC&SL Tour recording, or other such shows from before Portnoy left? Or would they need Portnoy's permission for those?
-Marc.
I got my copy over the weekend. Good stuff; the band all sounds great, and it's interesting to hear the Astonishing songs out of context (I haven't heard this show before). As a standalone disk it sounds incomplete, but then again we know it to be incomplete. I'll merge them on my iPod, and it should be much better.which I'll do as well, especially since I attended that tour and I want to listen to the show in actual order (and yes, I know Change O still is missing as of now)
Except, not. A Dramatic Tour of Events Selected Board Mixes was released back around Christmastime in 2012. I think it’s just new as a CD itself.
IIRC, this is only the third NEW release from the LFNA, right? So far it's just been A Dramatic Tour Of Events and the two Images And Words...And Beyond discs, so just four discs total of "new" material. Hopefully this monthly release schedule means they'll put out some newer material as we move along, rather than all re-releases for the rest of the year. I wouldn't mind a full live concert of The Astonishing Tour, though I wonder if they even bothered to record audio for any of those shows. Even though I'm still a bit lukewarm on that album, maybe a live version might help me like the material a bit more?
-Marc.
Except, not. A Dramatic Tour of Events Selected Board Mixes was released back around Christmastime in 2012. I think it’s just new as a CD itself.
IIRC, this is only the third NEW release from the LFNA, right? So far it's just been A Dramatic Tour Of Events and the two Images And Words...And Beyond discs, so just four discs total of "new" material. Hopefully this monthly release schedule means they'll put out some newer material as we move along, rather than all re-releases for the rest of the year. I wouldn't mind a full live concert of The Astonishing Tour, though I wonder if they even bothered to record audio for any of those shows. Even though I'm still a bit lukewarm on that album, maybe a live version might help me like the material a bit more?
-Marc.
I also hope there’s other new material, but since I wasn’t around for the YtseJam Records release, I’m actually really really happy that they are releasing the old ones again so I can get them. I had never heard their Master of Puppets cover album, so it’s awesome to have that chance!
Holy Grail for me is still the full Ronnie Scott's show and at least one of the acoustic shows from '95. I know they are out in trading circles, but I don't really partake there; I'd rather give my money to the band, frankly.I would LOVE to get a soundboard boot of both of those.
I'd love recordings of the joint encore songs they did with Queensryche, but I'm not sure how the rights would work in that case.
I'd love recordings of the joint encore songs they did with Queensryche, but I'm not sure how the rights would work in that case.
Not even sure Queensryche on their own could even figure out their half of the equation..
I'd love recordings of the joint encore songs they did with Queensryche, but I'm not sure how the rights would work in that case.
Not even sure Queensryche on their own could even figure out their half of the equation..
Did they not already release something? I thought Comfortably Numb or something else was tagged in some release.
But I think Zircon might have been referring to the original songs they played of each other's. Take Hold of The Flame, Peruvian Skies, Real World, and The Spirit Carries On.
One amusing thing I noticed is that, at the end of "And Beyond..." James says something like "We're taking a break, then we're playing Images and Words!" That is a paraphrase, but I can imagine someone who wasn't familiar with this concert being a little disappointed if they purchased this release only to hear there's a whole Images and Words set they're missing out on lol
But I think Zircon might have been referring to the original songs they played of each other's. Take Hold of The Flame, Peruvian Skies, Real World, and The Spirit Carries On.
Correct.
One amusing thing I noticed is that, at the end of "And Beyond..." James says something like "We're taking a break, then we're playing Images and Words!" That is a paraphrase, but I can imagine someone who wasn't familiar with this concert being a little disappointed if they purchased this release only to hear there's a whole Images and Words set they're missing out on lol
Thankfully there is a sticker in the front that says "This release captures the first set from Dream Theater's 2017 "Images, Words & Beyond" at the historic Budokan in Tokyo, Japan. Previously a Japanese-exclusive television broadcast and a live streaming event, it is now available for fans to own for the first time."
And I'm not sure who would purchase any of the LFNA albums without reading what they're about. But yeah, it would be "funny" if someone only got this disc without the on-package sticker not knowing there was another set. The lack of in-package liner notes is a huge detriment to this series of albums, but at least DT fans who missed out on the YJR releases have a second chance at these albums.
-Marc.
One amusing thing I noticed is that, at the end of "And Beyond..." James says something like "We're taking a break, then we're playing Images and Words!" That is a paraphrase, but I can imagine someone who wasn't familiar with this concert being a little disappointed if they purchased this release only to hear there's a whole Images and Words set they're missing out on lol
Imagine having a penis that long and still whining about something instead of living large.
I don't have any of these.... how many are there... which are the best ones?
Not interested in anything from the cover series myself, so looking forward to July's release :P
I don't remember ANYTHING like this from the show I saw a couple weeks earlier (October 26), so maybe they added it. I think it's pretty funny that James blames its inclusion in the set list on Jordan. I'm not so sure why it's so hard to accept that the reason why this song didn't go over well is because it's not very good (yeah...I know...opinions, but still).
- Live in NYC is a full show from the Images and Words tour. The band is really on the top of their game, with a ton of great performances. Plus, you get three hard-to-find songs: To Live Forever, Eve and the 1993 version of A Change of Seasons.
- When Dream and Day Reunite is of special interest to people who aren't fans of Charlie Dominici's voice on the first album. This is a live performance of the full album with James singing. It also includes To Live Forever and Metropolis with Charlie and Derek Sherinian as guests.
- A Dramatic Tour of Events is a great 2CD selection of live songs, including some what don't have any other live version or are pretty rare: The Count of Tuscany, The Great Debate, To Live Forever. But don't be deceived by the title: Nothing from the ADTOE album is on here. This covers all the songs played on that tour that were not on Live at Luna Park. Also, this was a free release for fans around Christmas 2013, so check to make sure that you don't already have it under the name "Happy Holidays 2013."
Hey 425, you put in significant effort answering that question with a thorough and detailed overview of the archives releases, and I thought you should get some props for that. Nicely done.
- Live in NYC is a full show from the Images and Words tour. The band is really on the top of their game, with a ton of great performances. Plus, you get three hard-to-find songs: To Live Forever, Eve and the 1993 version of A Change of Seasons.
- When Dream and Day Reunite is of special interest to people who aren't fans of Charlie Dominici's voice on the first album. This is a live performance of the full album with James singing. It also includes To Live Forever and Metropolis with Charlie and Derek Sherinian as guests.
- A Dramatic Tour of Events is a great 2CD selection of live songs, including some what don't have any other live version or are pretty rare: The Count of Tuscany, The Great Debate, To Live Forever. But don't be deceived by the title: Nothing from the ADTOE album is on here. This covers all the songs played on that tour that were not on Live at Luna Park. Also, this was a free release for fans around Christmas 2013, so check to make sure that you don't already have it under the name "Happy Holidays 2013."
For being a rare, hard-to-find song, To Live Forever sure finds itself on a damn lot of releases! And that list doesn't include Live in Tokyo, 5 Years in a Livetime, the Greatest Hit... compliation, and on the Cleaning Out the Closet CD (twice!)
As much as I love TNOTB, I personally can't recommend it. I believe there's quite a bit of "not live" vocals. The vocals sound like they were recorded in a bathroom.I agree. That's a fantastic boot.
The Osaka 4-24-04 boot is so much better. It's done a year and a half later, and Jordan fleshed his keyboard parts out a lot more than when they recorded the Paris version.
If you can get your hands on the Osaka boot, it's a much better performance.
So that's Master of Puppets and The Number of the Beast. They did a Dark Side of the Moon concert too, didn't they? Or am I crazy?You're not crazy. Not only did they do Dark Side of the Moon, but they released a DVD recording of it, which is fantastic.
Are there plans for re-release of Cleaning out the closet? I know it's not part of YtseJam record series but it's the only one I'd like to pick up since it has studio versions of b-sides, all of which I absolutely love.I doubt it, and yes that is the one I would want most.
I don't remember ANYTHING like this from the show I saw a couple weeks earlier (October 26), so maybe they added it. I think it's pretty funny that James blames its inclusion in the set list on Jordan. I'm not so sure why it's so hard to accept that the reason why this song didn't go over well is because it's not very good (yeah...I know...opinions, but still).
I agree with this. Don't Look Past me is a solid tune, but if fans weren't loving it live, it is easy to see why. And maybe the band felt like, "Okay, the fans aren't loving it, and we really have a zillion songs that are way better, so let's cut our losses now and get this dead weight out of the set list." Seems reasonable to me.
Well JP stated somewhere that the reason why DLPM and TLF ended up getting dropped was because they weren't getting a major reaction from the audience. Obviously he felt strongly enough about both songs to add them to the setlist - so it's not a matter of him thinking either one "blows" or is "dead weight" unlike his feelings for the Majesty demos and WDADU - but was disappointed that the audience didn't react the way he expected them to. Same reason why they dropped TGD from the first North American leg of the Dramatic tour. But as I've said before, given the contents of the rest of the show, they should've left those two rarities in the setlist for the diehards in the crowd that were in-the-know. Plus, by leaving those songs in the setlist, more of the fanbase would have learned about them, just the same way they did about Another Won and Raise the Knife during the 20th Anniversary tour.
I don't remember ANYTHING like this from the show I saw a couple weeks earlier (October 26), so maybe they added it. I think it's pretty funny that James blames its inclusion in the set list on Jordan. I'm not so sure why it's so hard to accept that the reason why this song didn't go over well is because it's not very good (yeah...I know...opinions, but still).
I agree with this. Don't Look Past me is a solid tune, but if fans weren't loving it live, it is easy to see why. And maybe the band felt like, "Okay, the fans aren't loving it, and we really have a zillion songs that are way better, so let's cut our losses now and get this dead weight out of the set list." Seems reasonable to me.
As a fan of that song I don't think it's as cut and dry as that. Some GREAT songs just don't translate live. Some GREAT songs just don't feel right to the performers. There are a 100 reasons for a song to be dropped that aren't limited to "that song blows".
Agreed! The Dark Side of the Moon DVD is fantastic, and for my money, clearly the best cover of an album they've done.So that's Master of Puppets and The Number of the Beast. They did a Dark Side of the Moon concert too, didn't they? Or am I crazy?You're not crazy. Not only did they do Dark Side of the Moon, but they released a DVD recording of it, which is fantastic.
Hey Scotty, has John actually said he feels that way about WDADU? I never got the vibe he actively disliked the album that much, and I hope he won't shy away from featuring it in future sets.
Hey Scotty, has John actually said he feels that way about WDADU? I never got the vibe he actively disliked the album that much, and I hope he won't shy away from featuring it in future sets.
That comment also caught my attention.
- Live in NYC is a full show from the Images and Words tour. The band is really on the top of their game, with a ton of great performances. Plus, you get three hard-to-find songs: To Live Forever, Eve and the 1993 version of A Change of Seasons.
- When Dream and Day Reunite is of special interest to people who aren't fans of Charlie Dominici's voice on the first album. This is a live performance of the full album with James singing. It also includes To Live Forever and Metropolis with Charlie and Derek Sherinian as guests.
- A Dramatic Tour of Events is a great 2CD selection of live songs, including some what don't have any other live version or are pretty rare: The Count of Tuscany, The Great Debate, To Live Forever. But don't be deceived by the title: Nothing from the ADTOE album is on here. This covers all the songs played on that tour that were not on Live at Luna Park. Also, this was a free release for fans around Christmas 2013, so check to make sure that you don't already have it under the name "Happy Holidays 2013."
For being a rare, hard-to-find song, To Live Forever sure finds itself on a damn lot of releases! And that list doesn't include Live in Tokyo, 5 Years in a Livetime, the Greatest Hit... compliation, and on the Cleaning Out the Closet CD (twice!)
Definitely true that it's been released a lot of times! I do regard it as a rarity because it wasn't on a studio album or any of the official live albums that are widely available today. During the years in between YtseJam and Lost Not Forgotten, the only easy places to get an audio version of it were Greatest Hit and Happy Holidays (don't remember how long that was available for download). With LNF, this song is now much more accessible.
Maybe my post might have been worded too strongly, but he doesn't hold WDaDU in high regard. He touches on it here:Hey Scotty, has John actually said he feels that way about WDADU? I never got the vibe he actively disliked the album that much, and I hope he won't shy away from featuring it in future sets.That comment also caught my attention.
So…no Killing Hand?? Ugh.
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Maybe my post might have been worded too strongly, but he doesn't hold WDaDU in high regard. He touches on it here:Hey Scotty, has John actually said he feels that way about WDADU? I never got the vibe he actively disliked the album that much, and I hope he won't shy away from featuring it in future sets.That comment also caught my attention.
https://youtu.be/00sK8GMsLxw?t=2730
Plus the fact that WDaDU tracks haven't been included in *any* of the setlists since 2012 - aside from the brief 30th anniversary run in Europe in 2015 - speaks volumes as well.
Maybe my post might have been worded too strongly, but he doesn't hold WDaDU in high regard. He touches on it here:Hey Scotty, has John actually said he feels that way about WDADU? I never got the vibe he actively disliked the album that much, and I hope he won't shy away from featuring it in future sets.That comment also caught my attention.
https://youtu.be/00sK8GMsLxw?t=2730
Plus the fact that WDaDU tracks haven't been included in *any* of the setlists since 2012 - aside from the brief 30th anniversary run in Europe in 2015 - speaks volumes as well.
Gotta slightly disagree with ya, Scotty. Not only was Afterlife was played 25 times in 2015 in Europe, it was the shows opener!! To me, that's a sign of respect, not a sign of dismissal. Plus, I find JP's commentary in that clip more about the quality of production of the first album, rather than the quality of the songs themselves. Maybe you're right and he doesn't hold the songs themselves in high regard, or perhaps there are other factors, such as setlist time restraints and how challenging each song is for James to sing. I suspect the latter gets weighed heavily into which songs get included or not for any given tour. Just my thoughts.
Gotta slightly disagree with ya, Scotty. Not only was Afterlife was played 25 times in 2015 in Europe, it was the shows opener!!Yeah, being that they were doing the chronological set, having a WDaDU track in there was mandatory - it would've been weird for them to skip over it. And sure it was 25 shows, but that's roughly 1/4 of a normal tour for DT during the MM-era, featured in only one part of the world.To me, that's a sign of respect, not a sign of dismissal.(EDIT, since the leg was an anniversary, I'll grant that the inclusion of the song may have been more out of necessity than desire). Plus, I find JP's commentary in that clip more about the quality of production of the first album, rather than the quality of the songs themselves. Maybe you're right and he doesn't hold the songs themselves in high regard, or perhaps there are other factors, such as setlist time restraints and how challenging each song is for James to sing. I suspect the latter gets weighed heavily into which songs get included or not for any given tour. Just my thoughts.
"go back to the first one and be like well maybe that could be remixed or maybe I could have done that better or whatever."So he was giving equal weight to the mix and other things he didn't like about it. Some of it could have been whether JL can perform the tracks or not, but even that's debatable, given how they performed all of IaW in 2017 and TtT in particular was a struggle for JL.
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Originally released on our YtseJam Records label in 2005, “The Number of the Beast” is our rendition of the classic album from legendary Iron Maiden. This unique 2002 performance in front of a French audience at La Mutualite in Paris, France is the only available recording of this one-off historic event, forever preserved in the YtseJam collection and now available to pre-order for the first time ever on vinyl and streaming services.
I don't have any of these.... how many are there... which are the best ones?
There are currently nine, with new ones releasing each month. The majority of them are re-releases of CDs that were released by YtseJam Records in the 2000s, so if you're a long-time fan, you might already have some of them.
Three of the current releases, and the new one coming out next month, are demos. These are:
- Train of Thought Instrumental Demos
- The Majesty Demos
- Awake Demos
- Falling Into Infinity Demos (upcoming)
The other six releases are live performances:
- Images and Words - Live in Japan 2017
- A Dramatic Tour of Events - Select Board Mixes
- Master of Puppets - Live in Barcelona 2002 (a cover of the Metallica album)
- When Dream and Day Reunite
- Live in NYC 1993
- ...And Beyond - Live in Japan 2017
These releases offer different things that might be of greater or less interest to you depending on what you like and what you're interested in. Here are the ones that I think are likely to be of most general interest to Dream Theater fans, with a little bit of why you might find them interesting.
- Live in NYC is a full show from the Images and Words tour. The band is really on the top of their game, with a ton of great performances. Plus, you get three hard-to-find songs: To Live Forever, Eve and the 1993 version of A Change of Seasons.
- The Falling Into Infinity Demos is the most interesting set of demos the band has released. This is because they include five songs that did not make the album, only one of which (Raise the Knife) is easy to find elsewhere, plus alternate versions of a lot of the songs that did make the album. They also include the Metropolis Part 2 demo, which is the earliest version of what became Scenes from a Memory
- When Dream and Day Reunite is of special interest to people who aren't fans of Charlie Dominici's voice on the first album. This is a live performance of the full album with James singing. It also includes To Live Forever and Metropolis with Charlie and Derek Sherinian as guests.
- The Majesty Demos is interesting if you're curious about the early history of the band, because you get songs that they recorded well before the first album. However, I don't think these songs are all that great on their own terms.
- A Dramatic Tour of Events is a great 2CD selection of live songs, including some what don't have any other live version or are pretty rare: The Count of Tuscany, The Great Debate, To Live Forever. But don't be deceived by the title: Nothing from the ADTOE album is on here. This covers all the songs played on that tour that were not on Live at Luna Park. Also, this was a free release for fans around Christmas 2013, so check to make sure that you don't already have it under the name "Happy Holidays 2013."
- ...And Beyond is another quality live release that includes some songs that don't have a live release elsewhere: The Bigger Picture, Hell's Kitchen, The Gift of Music, Our New World. Unlike Dramatic Tour of Events, this is a single CD that all comes from one show. This is actually the first half of the 2017 Japan concert. Images and Words - Live in Japan is most of the second half. Personally, I think ...And Beyond is better, because James's performance on the older songs from IAW is a bit spotty, while he sounds pretty good on the newer ones on ...And Beyond.
So…no Killing Hand?? Ugh.
Yeah, pretty ridiculous if he thinks TLF is a better song than TKH or AFIL or OAMOT or even Ytsejam. Your mileage may vary though.
You're right. That first album just isn't very good. TLF is MUCH better than anything on the first album.So…no Killing Hand?? Ugh.
Yeah, pretty ridiculous if he thinks TLF is a better song than TKH or AFIL or OAMOT or even Ytsejam. Your mileage may vary though.
It does; To Live Forever slays all those songs, for me.
Beg to differ, but opinions and all that....You're right. That first album just isn't very good. TLF is MUCH better than anything on the first album.It does; To Live Forever slays all those songs, for me.So…no Killing Hand?? Ugh.Yeah, pretty ridiculous if he thinks TLF is a better song than TKH or AFIL or OAMOT or even Ytsejam. Your mileage may vary though.
Beg to differ, but opinions and all that....You're right. That first album just isn't very good. TLF is MUCH better than anything on the first album.It does; To Live Forever slays all those songs, for me.So…no Killing Hand?? Ugh.Yeah, pretty ridiculous if he thinks TLF is a better song than TKH or AFIL or OAMOT or even Ytsejam. Your mileage may vary though.
I don't have any of these.... how many are there... which are the best ones?
There are currently nine, with new ones releasing each month...
Thank you!!!!
Didn't Bruce question the rationale behind an established band playing that album in full and recording it for release?
Didn't Bruce question the rationale behind an established band playing that album in full and recording it for release?
I’ve never been the concert going type, but I remember thinking back when DT was doing those full album cover concerts how bad it would suck to have DT come to town and you get a show of them playing Metallica or Iron Maiden.
I saw them perform all of MoP in Chicago and loved it! Don't forget that the stipulation was that it would be the second set of a two night stand on an Evening With tour. So by the time I saw them do MoP, I had already seen about 4.5 hours of DT music (from the 3 hour show the night before, and the first set lasting roughly 1.5 hours from the MoP show), the vast majority of which was not repeated from night to night. Doesn't sound like a bad deal to me.Didn't Bruce question the rationale behind an established band playing that album in full and recording it for release?I’ve never been the concert going type, but I remember thinking back when DT was doing those full album cover concerts how bad it would suck to have DT come to town and you get a show of them playing Metallica or Iron Maiden.
To Live Forever must have compromising photos of band members for it to appear on so many releases.
Yes. It was understood (or BECAME understood) that the second night of a 2-night stand in the same venue would feature a cover performance. Which was fine, because they very rarely played a 2-night stand anywhere, plus they had rotated setlists back then, so even if they weren't doing a cover album, the second night STILL wouldn't have been the same as the first night.
Did DT advertise that the second night in a city would feature a cover beyond mentioning it on online forums? I would have to imagine the majority of people going to that second night had no idea a cover was coming.
I know it was understood by those who were dialed into the DT and MP forums back then, but short of it being listed on the ticket or wherever someone purchased their tickets, I imagine a lot of folks were surprised to hear a whole album covered at a DT show.
I'm not sure how many "casual" fans they had back then, although yes, I'm sure it was a surprise for some people, who never are engaged with anything ever. But you can't plan for every eventuality.
I know it was understood by those who were dialed into the DT and MP forums back then, but short of it being listed on the ticket or wherever someone purchased their tickets, I imagine a lot of folks were surprised to hear a whole album covered at a DT show.
When this worked better, however, was during the South American leg for the OV tour, when IIRC, they would do SFAM in full on the 2nd night at the same city or something like that. I wouldn't have complained about that at all :tupPretty sure that only happened once, and it was because they had missed that area on the original SFAM tour, when they played it in full on every stop.
When this worked better, however, was during the South American leg for the OV tour, when IIRC, they would do SFAM in full on the 2nd night at the same city or something like that. I wouldn't have complained about that at all :tupPretty sure that only happened once, and it was because they had missed that area on the original SFAM tour, when they played it in full on every stop.
This may not come out well; if it sounds like I am pissed about it, I am really not. But I don't buy this "it was understood, it was common knowledge." I get there is no specific point where knowledge goes from "uncommon" to "common," which is maybe where I am getting stuck on this. It's your show, you can do whatever you like with your set, but to do something most would consider out of the norm (committing an hour of time to cover material), and fall back on the stance of "It was commonly understood something like this could happen..." based on internet communities is weak.
I'm not sure how many "casual" fans they had back then,
I know it was understood by those who were dialed into the DT and MP forums back then, but short of it being listed on the ticket or wherever someone purchased their tickets, I imagine a lot of folks were surprised to hear a whole album covered at a DT show.
When this worked better, however, was during the South American leg for the OV tour, when IIRC, they would do SFAM in full on the 2nd night at the same city or something like that. I wouldn't have complained about that at all :tupPretty sure that only happened once, and it was because they had missed that area on the original SFAM tour, when they played it in full on every stop.
I just find it amazing that DT was able to whip out Scenes in it's entirety for one random performance. I find that pretty incredible.
I know it was understood by those who were dialed into the DT and MP forums back then, but short of it being listed on the ticket or wherever someone purchased their tickets, I imagine a lot of folks were surprised to hear a whole album covered at a DT show.
I think it would've sucked for casual fans who just bought tickets for the 2nd night because it better suited their schedule and then bam! you get Master of Puppets in full :lol :facepalm:
I know it was understood by those who were dialed into the DT and MP forums back then, but short of it being listed on the ticket or wherever someone purchased their tickets, I imagine a lot of folks were surprised to hear a whole album covered at a DT show.
I think it would've sucked for casual fans who just bought tickets for the 2nd night because it better suited their schedule and then bam! you get Master of Puppets in full :lol :facepalm:
Exactly. This is where all that "MP did so much for the fans!" stuff rang hollow. He did stuff that was appreciated by a small percentage of the most dialed-in fans - and, in particular, those who went to multiple shows on a tour (the very vocal minority). However, a lot of that stuff didn't appeal to our downright sucked for more casual fans.
Also, the bit about it being understood is a bit iffy. I don't remember what tour it was, but I remember seeing that they had back to back shows scheduled in Calgary. Knowing that this was a thing that DT did, and thinking they might cover a Rush album since they were in Canada, I came very close to buying plane tickets and a ticket for the second night. Fortunately, I didn't do it because the set list for the second night was did not feature a cover performance (and yes, this was while MP was still in the band).
Also, the bit about it being understood is a bit iffy. I don't remember what tour it was, but I remember seeing that they had back to back shows scheduled in Calgary. Knowing that this was a thing that DT did, and thinking they might cover a Rush album since they were in Canada, I came very close to buying plane tickets and a ticket for the second night. Fortunately, I didn't do it because the set list for the second night was did not feature a cover performance (and yes, this was while MP was still in the band).After the 2002 Barcelona show when they did MoP for the very first time, MP made it very clear that those cover album shows would only happen when they did two-night-stands at Evening With shows. Those shows in Calgary were part of Prog Nation 2008 which had 3 bands opening, so DT was only doing a 90 minute set to begin with. It's given they weren't gonna do a cover album at those shows.
You're right. That first album just isn't very good. TLF is MUCH better than anything on the first album.So…no Killing Hand?? Ugh.
Yeah, pretty ridiculous if he thinks TLF is a better song than TKH or AFIL or OAMOT or even Ytsejam. Your mileage may vary though.
It does; To Live Forever slays all those songs, for me.
Also, the bit about it being understood is a bit iffy. I don't remember what tour it was, but I remember seeing that they had back to back shows scheduled in Calgary. Knowing that this was a thing that DT did, and thinking they might cover a Rush album since they were in Canada, I came very close to buying plane tickets and a ticket for the second night. Fortunately, I didn't do it because the set list for the second night was did not feature a cover performance (and yes, this was while MP was still in the band).After the 2002 Barcelona show when they did MoP for the very first time, MP made it very clear that those cover album shows would only happen when they did two-night-stands at Evening With shows. Those shows in Calgary were part of Prog Nation 2008 which had 3 bands opening, so DT was only doing a 90 minute set to begin with. It's given they weren't gonna do a cover album at those shows.
However, if I had gone to a DT show and had gotten a bunch of Pink Floyd covers, I'd have been crazy pissed.
Did DT advertise that the second night in a city would feature a cover beyond mentioning it on online forums? I would have to imagine the majority of people going to that second night had no idea a cover was coming.
Also, the bit about it being understood is a bit iffy. I don't remember what tour it was, but I remember seeing that they had back to back shows scheduled in Calgary. Knowing that this was a thing that DT did, and thinking they might cover a Rush album since they were in Canada, I came very close to buying plane tickets and a ticket for the second night. Fortunately, I didn't do it because the set list for the second night was did not feature a cover performance (and yes, this was while MP was still in the band).After the 2002 Barcelona show when they did MoP for the very first time, MP made it very clear that those cover album shows would only happen when they did two-night-stands at Evening With shows. Those shows in Calgary were part of Prog Nation 2008 which had 3 bands opening, so DT was only doing a 90 minute set to begin with. It's given they weren't gonna do a cover album at those shows.
Made it clear how and to whom? The several dozen people who were regularly on the MP forums? It ultimately didn't matter for me, but I had heard hearsay about the whole "second night" thing, but I had no inkling that there were caveats. And, in any event, this gets back to the original point, which is that, except for the most super dialed-in fans, the "second night" thing (much less the stipulations)....
Not sure what to say. It was made known by the band (MP) to the fans who know things through the ways that those things are made known. People who don't make it a point to keep up or know stuff, didn't know. *shrugs*Also, the bit about it being understood is a bit iffy. I don't remember what tour it was, but I remember seeing that they had back to back shows scheduled in Calgary. Knowing that this was a thing that DT did, and thinking they might cover a Rush album since they were in Canada, I came very close to buying plane tickets and a ticket for the second night. Fortunately, I didn't do it because the set list for the second night was did not feature a cover performance (and yes, this was while MP was still in the band).After the 2002 Barcelona show when they did MoP for the very first time, MP made it very clear that those cover album shows would only happen when they did two-night-stands at Evening With shows. Those shows in Calgary were part of Prog Nation 2008 which had 3 bands opening, so DT was only doing a 90 minute set to begin with. It's given they weren't gonna do a cover album at those shows.
Made it clear how and to whom? The several dozen people who were regularly on the MP forums? It ultimately didn't matter for me, but I had heard hearsay about the whole "second night" thing, but I had no inkling that there were caveats. And, in any event, this gets back to the original point, which is that, except for the most super dialed-in fans, the "second night" thing (much less the stipulations) was not well-known or regularly understood by most folks who bought tickets to DT shows. Again, it ultimately didn't matter for me, and I certainly knew there was no guarantee about the show I considered (which is the primary reason I didn't pull the trigger on the tickets). However, if I had gone to a DT show and had gotten a bunch of Pink Floyd covers, I'd have been crazy pissed.
Not sure what to say. It was made known by the band (MP) to the fans who know things through the ways that those things are made known. People who don't make it a point to keep up or know stuff, didn't know. *shrugs*Also, the bit about it being understood is a bit iffy. I don't remember what tour it was, but I remember seeing that they had back to back shows scheduled in Calgary. Knowing that this was a thing that DT did, and thinking they might cover a Rush album since they were in Canada, I came very close to buying plane tickets and a ticket for the second night. Fortunately, I didn't do it because the set list for the second night was did not feature a cover performance (and yes, this was while MP was still in the band).After the 2002 Barcelona show when they did MoP for the very first time, MP made it very clear that those cover album shows would only happen when they did two-night-stands at Evening With shows. Those shows in Calgary were part of Prog Nation 2008 which had 3 bands opening, so DT was only doing a 90 minute set to begin with. It's given they weren't gonna do a cover album at those shows.
Made it clear how and to whom? The several dozen people who were regularly on the MP forums? It ultimately didn't matter for me, but I had heard hearsay about the whole "second night" thing, but I had no inkling that there were caveats. And, in any event, this gets back to the original point, which is that, except for the most super dialed-in fans, the "second night" thing (much less the stipulations) was not well-known or regularly understood by most folks who bought tickets to DT shows. Again, it ultimately didn't matter for me, and I certainly knew there was no guarantee about the show I considered (which is the primary reason I didn't pull the trigger on the tickets). However, if I had gone to a DT show and had gotten a bunch of Pink Floyd covers, I'd have been crazy pissed.
I feel like I sort of lit the fuse and got away with this thread. It’s not a crime against humanity or anything, and at some point I think these were reasonably well advertised as being special shows on the second night. And lots of bands have done covers type shows on special occasions (DT had done that before even with the Ronnie Scott’s gig which I think was really cool). I think for me it’s more the specific albums they covered. Master of Puppets and Number of the Beast? Zero interest in hearing that. I actually do like Dark Side of the Moon, and the portions of that show that I’ve seen sounded good. I think I’d still have been disappointed if for some reason that were the only of the two nights I could have gone to, but I at least could have enjoyed it probably (all theoretical of course, I wasn’t in position to see any of those shows).
Did DT advertise that the second night in a city would feature a cover beyond mentioning it on online forums? I would have to imagine the majority of people going to that second night had no idea a cover was coming.
Not at first, no. Only when there was a lot of criticism of it after the first couple did Portnoy then make it clear that the second night of two nights in the same city would feature the cover of a classic album. I know this because we traveled to Chicago for the 2nd night there in 2002, and we never would have bought tickets to go to just the 2nd show had we known that the whole set would be covers. Not complaining (anymore :lol ), just saying.
Iron Maiden faced the same sort of controversy; now it's sort of an unwritten rule (since broken by COVID and the introduction of Senjutsu into the setlist) that the band alternates tours; album tours feature an album-heavy setlist and the off-cycle tours are "hits" tours. And it's the same deal; "not everyone is a member of the fanclub". "Not everyone is on line." "Not everyone has ears."
Look, the world isn't perfect. Short of sending out a mailer with each ticket there is ALWAYS someone who is going to have more information than the person next to them. This isn't like people are being evicted from their homes without notice. I think this is a sort of "entitlement" issue; there was a time, in my lifetime, that you had NO WAY of knowing what was being played until the notes were struck. And if you were a Kiss fan and got ALL of Lick It Up and only a handful of the "classic hits" - which happened to me in '83 - too bad, so sad. There's likely to be SOMEONE pissed at every show; the best any band can do is stick to their guns and hope that the net/net of the "oh yeahs!" outweigh the "oh shits".
EDIT: Hef said it a lot nicer and a lot more succintly. :) :)
Iron Maiden faced the same sort of controversy; now it's sort of an unwritten rule (since broken by COVID and the introduction of Senjutsu into the setlist) that the band alternates tours; album tours feature an album-heavy setlist and the off-cycle tours are "hits" tours. And it's the same deal; "not everyone is a member of the fanclub". "Not everyone is on line." "Not everyone has ears."
Look, the world isn't perfect. Short of sending out a mailer with each ticket there is ALWAYS someone who is going to have more information than the person next to them. This isn't like people are being evicted from their homes without notice. I think this is a sort of "entitlement" issue; there was a time, in my lifetime, that you had NO WAY of knowing what was being played until the notes were struck. And if you were a Kiss fan and got ALL of Lick It Up and only a handful of the "classic hits" - which happened to me in '83 - too bad, so sad. There's likely to be SOMEONE pissed at every show; the best any band can do is stick to their guns and hope that the net/net of the "oh yeahs!" outweigh the "oh shits".
EDIT: Hef said it a lot nicer and a lot more succintly. :) :)
I'm more sympathetic to people who were felt caught off guard by these things before the widespread availability of information like this online. Today, you can very quickly and easily find all the information you want. If the setlist matters that much to you, you can seek out information about it with little difficult and for no expense. If you don't even bother to spend a few minutes seeking out information, I think you should be prepared to live with the consequences of that choice.
Personally, I can't relate to this at all, or the kind of people Madman Shepherd mentioned who call themselves superfans but don't know a lot of relatively basic information about the band. I'm not saying this to be judgmental about the way people enjoy their hobbies, they can do what they want (so long as they accept the natural consequences of their choices), but I like to learn and read about artists I listen to a lot, so I'm always surprised when alleged superfans don't seem to have read anything at all.
Did DT advertise that the second night in a city would feature a cover beyond mentioning it on online forums? I would have to imagine the majority of people going to that second night had no idea a cover was coming.
Not at first, no. Only when there was a lot of criticism of it after the first couple did Portnoy then make it clear that the second night of two nights in the same city would feature the cover of a classic album. I know this because we traveled to Chicago for the 2nd night there in 2002, and we never would have bought tickets to go to just the 2nd show had we known that the whole set would be covers. Not complaining (anymore :lol ), just saying.
I travelled to Chicago (from central Kentucky) for both of those shows, because I knew what they were doing, so I'm not sure how you missed the news.
I should clarify; I'm not trying to do that thing where a person tries to prove that they're "more of a fan" than some other person. I definitely agree that that's insecure and needy. And I'm definitely not trying to say that people who seek out more information are somehow better than people who don't. I guess I'm just expressing confusion at a way of doing things that is very alien to me (but I should say that there are a lot of ways in which I'm very unlike most people, so I guess it shouldn't surprise me that much, and if anything my default should be to think that I'm the unusual one).
I'm a SUPERFAN!! I'm a SUPERFAN!!
I should clarify; I'm not trying to do that thing where a person tries to prove that they're "more of a fan" than some other person. I definitely agree that that's insecure and needy. And I'm definitely not trying to say that people who seek out more information are somehow better than people who don't. I guess I'm just expressing confusion at a way of doing things that is very alien to me (but I should say that there are a lot of ways in which I'm very unlike most people, so I guess it shouldn't surprise me that much, and if anything my default should be to think that I'm the unusual one).
Well, I never once meant to imply I was talking about you. I was thinking about those people that need the label but can't even name (let alone having heard) some of their bigger albums. I would think a DT superfan would at least have heard ALL their records. We DO have some fans here that are serious and dedicated to the band, but I can't imagine someone like Scotty proclaiming "I'm a superfan!!" He just is and it speaks for itself (though we'll do it for him! :)).
Did DT advertise that the second night in a city would feature a cover beyond mentioning it on online forums? I would have to imagine the majority of people going to that second night had no idea a cover was coming.
Not at first, no. Only when there was a lot of criticism of it after the first couple did Portnoy then make it clear that the second night of two nights in the same city would feature the cover of a classic album. I know this because we traveled to Chicago for the 2nd night there in 2002, and we never would have bought tickets to go to just the 2nd show had we known that the whole set would be covers. Not complaining (anymore :lol ), just saying.
I travelled to Chicago (from central Kentucky) for both of those shows, because I knew what they were doing, so I'm not sure how you missed the news.
Huh..was it advertised somewhere? In 2002, my only way of knowing DT was coming to Boston was when it was announced in a local music paper.
Did DT advertise that the second night in a city would feature a cover beyond mentioning it on online forums? I would have to imagine the majority of people going to that second night had no idea a cover was coming.
Not at first, no. Only when there was a lot of criticism of it after the first couple did Portnoy then make it clear that the second night of two nights in the same city would feature the cover of a classic album. I know this because we traveled to Chicago for the 2nd night there in 2002, and we never would have bought tickets to go to just the 2nd show had we known that the whole set would be covers. Not complaining (anymore :lol ), just saying.
I travelled to Chicago (from central Kentucky) for both of those shows, because I knew what they were doing, so I'm not sure how you missed the news.
Huh..was it advertised somewhere? In 2002, my only way of knowing DT was coming to Boston was when it was announced in a local music paper.
...I'm not sure how you missed the news.
There was no official announcement, no news, no anything.
Did DT advertise that the second night in a city would feature a cover beyond mentioning it on online forums? I would have to imagine the majority of people going to that second night had no idea a cover was coming.
Not at first, no. Only when there was a lot of criticism of it after the first couple did Portnoy then make it clear that the second night of two nights in the same city would feature the cover of a classic album. I know this because we traveled to Chicago for the 2nd night there in 2002, and we never would have bought tickets to go to just the 2nd show had we known that the whole set would be covers. Not complaining (anymore :lol ), just saying.
I travelled to Chicago (from central Kentucky) for both of those shows, because I knew what they were doing, so I'm not sure how you missed the news.
Huh..was it advertised somewhere? In 2002, my only way of knowing DT was coming to Boston was when it was announced in a local music paper.
No, it was not, and anyone saying it was known anywhere is dabbling in revisionist history. There was no official announcement, no news, no anything.
The band made no announcements that the second night would feature a cover album prior to the tour. Once they did Master of Puppets the first time, it was then speculated that the second night in each city getting two shows would get the same treatment, but that was NEVER confirmed by the band or Mike Portnoy ANYWHERE. Only when they did the Chicago show (the 2nd one where MoP was played) and there was a lot of online blowback, did Portnoy then release an unofficial statement confirming that that would be the case going forward on the rest of that tour.
Anyone saying that that was not the case is either misremembering or talking out of their behinds. :P :P
... she has yet to hear MoP in its entirety.
... she has yet to hear MoP in its entirety.
I'm envious :biggrin:
... she has yet to hear MoP in its entirety.
I'm envious :biggrin:
Me too. I would love to hear that album for the first time again.
Well, at that time there was no facebook or Twitter. MP talked about it, and it got shared from there in places where such things would get shared, such as what was then DTF.com, and other DT or music related sites that existed at the time.Not sure what to say. It was made known by the band (MP) to the fans who know things through the ways that those things are made known. People who don't make it a point to keep up or know stuff, didn't know. *shrugs*Also, the bit about it being understood is a bit iffy. I don't remember what tour it was, but I remember seeing that they had back to back shows scheduled in Calgary. Knowing that this was a thing that DT did, and thinking they might cover a Rush album since they were in Canada, I came very close to buying plane tickets and a ticket for the second night. Fortunately, I didn't do it because the set list for the second night was did not feature a cover performance (and yes, this was while MP was still in the band).After the 2002 Barcelona show when they did MoP for the very first time, MP made it very clear that those cover album shows would only happen when they did two-night-stands at Evening With shows. Those shows in Calgary were part of Prog Nation 2008 which had 3 bands opening, so DT was only doing a 90 minute set to begin with. It's given they weren't gonna do a cover album at those shows.
Made it clear how and to whom? The several dozen people who were regularly on the MP forums? It ultimately didn't matter for me, but I had heard hearsay about the whole "second night" thing, but I had no inkling that there were caveats. And, in any event, this gets back to the original point, which is that, except for the most super dialed-in fans, the "second night" thing (much less the stipulations) was not well-known or regularly understood by most folks who bought tickets to DT shows. Again, it ultimately didn't matter for me, and I certainly knew there was no guarantee about the show I considered (which is the primary reason I didn't pull the trigger on the tickets). However, if I had gone to a DT show and had gotten a bunch of Pink Floyd covers, I'd have been crazy pissed.
Was it made known outside of Portnoy's site though?
The only thing I will say is that I don't think anything was said before the first one; I think that was a surprise.Correct, altho IIRC, it was announced that something special would happen at that show.
Dream Theater is playing the 2nd night of a 2 night stand in Barcelona, Spain... After an almost 2 hour 1st set of DT material and a 15 minute intermission, the lights went out and the opening chords to “Battery” began... 50 minutes later, the Spanish crowd had no idea what had hit them! The next day the word was all over the internet and our new tradition to cover a classic album whenever we did a 2 night stand in the same city had been established... but for those 50 minutes in Barcelona, the completely unsuspecting crowd had no way to see it coming... I remember looking into the crowd by the time we started “The Thing That Should Not Be” and seeing people look at each other like “Holy shit... they’re doing the whole fucking thing!!!”
Here's some pertinent comments from MP taken from the YJR-issue of the MoP official bootleg:QuoteDream Theater is playing the 2nd night of a 2 night stand in Barcelona, Spain... After an almost 2 hour 1st set of DT material and a 15 minute intermission, the lights went out and the opening chords to “Battery” began... 50 minutes later, the Spanish crowd had no idea what had hit them! The next day the word was all over the internet and our new tradition to cover a classic album whenever we did a 2 night stand in the same city had been established... but for those 50 minutes in Barcelona, the completely unsuspecting crowd had no way to see it coming... I remember looking into the crowd by the time we started “The Thing That Should Not Be” and seeing people look at each other like “Holy shit... they’re doing the whole fucking thing!!!”
Here's some pertinent comments from MP taken from the YJR-issue of the MoP official bootleg:QuoteDream Theater is playing the 2nd night of a 2 night stand in Barcelona, Spain... After an almost 2 hour 1st set of DT material and a 15 minute intermission, the lights went out and the opening chords to “Battery” began... 50 minutes later, the Spanish crowd had no idea what had hit them! The next day the word was all over the internet and our new tradition to cover a classic album whenever we did a 2 night stand in the same city had been established... but for those 50 minutes in Barcelona, the completely unsuspecting crowd had no way to see it coming... I remember looking into the crowd by the time we started “The Thing That Should Not Be” and seeing people look at each other like “Holy shit... they’re doing the whole fucking thing!!!”
That's some pretty major hyperbole.
It was all over the parts of the internet where rabid DT fans were active. If any given individual was not active on those parts of the internet at the time, then no, they wouldn't have known about it.Here's some pertinent comments from MP taken from the YJR-issue of the MoP official bootleg:QuoteDream Theater is playing the 2nd night of a 2 night stand in Barcelona, Spain... After an almost 2 hour 1st set of DT material and a 15 minute intermission, the lights went out and the opening chords to “Battery” began... 50 minutes later, the Spanish crowd had no idea what had hit them! The next day the word was all over the internet and our new tradition to cover a classic album whenever we did a 2 night stand in the same city had been established... but for those 50 minutes in Barcelona, the completely unsuspecting crowd had no way to see it coming... I remember looking into the crowd by the time we started “The Thing That Should Not Be” and seeing people look at each other like “Holy shit... they’re doing the whole fucking thing!!!”
That's some pretty major hyperbole.
Not necessarily completely. As hef pointed out, the level of connection 20 years ago was not what it is today. But for what it was, it was definitely news that was being talked about. For reference, look at the last post in this Ytsejam digest 2 days after it happened (keeping in mind that the Ytsejam Mailing List was already a shell of what it once was):I know, right? :lolHere's some pertinent comments from MP taken from the YJR-issue of the MoP official bootleg:That's some pretty major hyperbole.QuoteDream Theater is playing the 2nd night of a 2 night stand in Barcelona, Spain... After an almost 2 hour 1st set of DT material and a 15 minute intermission, the lights went out and the opening chords to “Battery” began... 50 minutes later, the Spanish crowd had no idea what had hit them! The next day the word was all over the internet and our new tradition to cover a classic album whenever we did a 2 night stand in the same city had been established... but for those 50 minutes in Barcelona, the completely unsuspecting crowd had no way to see it coming... I remember looking into the crowd by the time we started “The Thing That Should Not Be” and seeing people look at each other like “Holy shit... they’re doing the whole fucking thing!!!”
It went VIRAL!!
Ulrich reportedly called DREAM THEATER drummer Mike Portnoy in the days following the gig...https://blabbermouth.net/news/metallica-s-lars-ulrich-i-can-t-wait-to-hear-dream-theater-s-rendition-of-puppets
I don't think anyone is saying it wasn't talked about after the first time they played all of Master of Puppets. I have not seen anyone make the argument.That's not the impression I got from what pg1067 highlighted in the MP quote.
The point is that it was not announced by anyone in the band as being an official thing, at least not officially or at dt.net or mp.com. Only when there was backlash after the Chicago show (the 2nd city where they did MoP) did Portnoy come out and say online for sure that any second night in the same city would feature them covering an entire album.No arguments that it wasn't announced at that time as being an official thing - that's obvious from here:
Better yet, Blabbermouth reported on it the next day:
https://blabbermouth.net/news/dream-theater-performs-metallica-s-entire-puppets-cd-at-special-spanish-gig
I don't think anyone is saying it wasn't talked about after the first time they played all of Master of Puppets. I have not seen anyone make the argument.
The point is that it was not announced by anyone in the band as being an official thing, at least not officially or at dt.net or mp.com. Only when there was backlash after the Chicago show (the 2nd city where they did MoP) did Portnoy come out and say online for sure that any second night in the same city would feature them covering an entire album.
Better yet, Blabbermouth reported on it the next day:
https://blabbermouth.net/news/dream-theater-performs-metallica-s-entire-puppets-cd-at-special-spanish-gig
By far the most disturbing thing I've learned from this discussion is that Blabbermouth has been around for over 20 years.
I don't think anyone is saying it wasn't talked about after the first time they played all of Master of Puppets. I have not seen anyone make the argument.That's not the impression I got from what pg1067 highlighted in the MP quote.
Dead horse or not, I disagree. If Lars Ulrich heard about it within days of it happening, then it certainly went outside that circle of "the most well-connected on the internet". Let's also remember the context of MP's comment - he obviously wasn't speaking about it being on CNN.com, MSN.com, Time magazine, USA Today, etc. nor was he implying that. He was speaking within music/musician circles. And as has already been said, the level of connection online then is nowhere what it is today, but given the scope that it was at the time, it was being widely discussed. So given those considerations, is his statement "ridiculous hyperbole"? No.This horse is dead, and further beatings will serve no purpose. However, since you mentioned me. The intent of my comment when I bolded part of the MP quote was that the statement that "word was all over the internet" is ridiculous hyperbole. I am not arguing or suggesting that no one talked about it after it happened, and the point that seems to be well-established on both sides of the argument is that the information about these cover performances was available but generally only known to those fans who were the most well-connected on the internet.I don't think anyone is saying it wasn't talked about after the first time they played all of Master of Puppets. I have not seen anyone make the argument.That's not the impression I got from what pg1067 highlighted in the MP quote.
Falling into Infinity Demos are out ;D
Do they sound any different than the 2007 Ytsejam release?
Do they sound any different than the 2007 Ytsejam release?
Do they sound any different than the 2007 Ytsejam release?
I'm curious to know how they compare to the COTC versions of these tracks. Those sounded much better than the YtseJam release.
Do they sound any different than the 2007 Ytsejam release?
I'm curious to know how they compare to the COTC versions of these tracks. Those sounded much better than the YtseJam release.
I don't think they have been remastered. The press releases for some of the other LNF boots have mentioned if they were remastered.
Listening to the Metropolis Pt. II demo, and I really can’t figure why it was such a big deal to MP back in the day to NEVER let anyone hear this. He acted like it was something really embarrassing or amateur or something. It’s a really cool demo and it holds up just fine along with pretty much any other demo I’ve heard by anyone. Are there some messy parts? Sure, but nothing that would count as embarrassing I don’t think.The version that leaked is not the version on the FII demos. The version that leaked is WAY more loose and it's obvious the band was finding their way through the song. IIRC, what ended up on the FII demos was actually assembled from a few different performances, whereas I believe the original was just a straight shot all the way through. So I can see why he didn't want it circulated.
Wow, didn't know that. After all these years, I'm feeling just like a padawan now! (because of you again, Scotty ;))I wouldn't be surprised if it's out there somewhere, but I couldn't find it either.
This original leaked version is somewhere on youtube? I did a quick research, but I couldn't find it.
Listening to the Metropolis Pt. II demo, and I really can’t figure why it was such a big deal to MP back in the day to NEVER let anyone hear this. He acted like it was something really embarrassing or amateur or something. It’s a really cool demo and it holds up just fine along with pretty much any other demo I’ve heard by anyone. Are there some messy parts? Sure, but nothing that would count as embarrassing I don’t think.The version that leaked is not the version on the FII demos. The version that leaked is WAY more loose and it's obvious the band was finding their way through the song. IIRC, what ended up on the FII demos was actually assembled from a few different performances, whereas I believe the original was just a straight shot all the way through. So I can see why he didn't want it circulated.
The irony of it is, there's a couple of things I actually prefer in the extra rough version! :P
Saw a leak of the next release, and we’re getting something new again. Live in Berlin 2019, with the festival setlist of Untethered Angel, A Nightmare to Remember, Fall Into the Light, Peruvian Skies, Barstool Warrior, In the Presence of Enemies P1, Dance of Eternity, Lie, Pale Blue Dot and As I Am. So looks like they are gonna release some newer material after all. Didn’t see a release date though.
Saw a leak of the next release, and we’re getting something new again. Live in Berlin 2019, with the festival setlist of Untethered Angel, A Nightmare to Remember, Fall Into the Light, Peruvian Skies, Barstool Warrior, In the Presence of Enemies P1, Dance of Eternity, Lie, Pale Blue Dot and As I Am. So looks like they are gonna release some newer material after all. Didn’t see a release date though.
I don't know. Isn't most of that (if not all) on the Distant Memories package?
I don't know. Isn't most of that (if not all) on the Distant Memories package?most of it is yes, the only ones that aren't are Lie, Peruvian Skies and As I Am, and yes, IIRC, this was a full festival show of the D/T cycle.
Seriously? We’ve already got that set on Distance Memories. :sadpanda:
Atlas (Instrumental Alt)
(Nick Phoenix & Thomas J. Bergersen song)
Untethered Angel
A Nightmare to Remember
Fall Into the Light
In the Presence of Enemies, Part I
Barstool Warrior
Peruvian Skies
Act II: Scene Seven: I. The Dance of Eternity
Lie
Pale Blue Dot
Encore:
As I Am
There was a thread not long ago about re-imagining FII, with the potential inclusion of songs that didn't make the cut (and/or choosing the demo version
- of course properly recorded - for the songs that did make the cut). Taking it from there, this would be my tracklist of a hypothetical alternative single-CD version:
1. New Millennium
2. Peruvian Skies
3. Raise the Knife
4. Hell's Kitchen
5. Lines in the Sand
6. Take Away My Pain (I like both versions, actually, so either would work for me)
7. The Way It Used to Be
8. Speak to Me
9. Trial of Tears
76:13 running time
I would happily include Just Let Me Breathe, but that would push the runtime past 80 minutes.
I actually already love FII, but I would like this even more :biggrin:
The track I’ve gained the most appreciation for since getting the FII demos is Where Are You Now. I always thought the chorus and middle section were a little weak, and I’m still not sure about the chorus, but there is some really awesome riffage on the verses, and the solo sections are great. I can see why it was passed over because it doesn’t all flow together quite right and I still think the chorus needed some work. But I think the bones of a really cool song are there.
The track I’ve gained the most appreciation for since getting the FII demos is Where Are You Now. I always thought the chorus and middle section were a little weak, and I’m still not sure about the chorus, but there is some really awesome riffage on the verses, and the solo sections are great. I can see why it was passed over because it doesn’t all flow together quite right and I still think the chorus needed some work. But I think the bones of a really cool song are there.
The track I’ve gained the most appreciation for since getting the FII demos is Where Are You Now. I always thought the chorus and middle section were a little weak, and I’m still not sure about the chorus, but there is some really awesome riffage on the verses, and the solo sections are great. I can see why it was passed over because it doesn’t all flow together quite right and I still think the chorus needed some work. But I think the bones of a really cool song are there.
:lol
I have to laugh HOF. Not laughing at you, but I find it funny that you are on such an opposite side than me. I literally think this is one of the worst things they've ever out down on tape.
Where Are You Now sounds like one of the awful tunes from Hear In The Now Frontier.
Never actually heard Hear In The Now Frontier except for Sign of the Times...
Where Are You Now sounds like one of the awful tunes from Hear In The Now Frontier.
one of the awful tunes from Hear In The Now Frontier?Never actually heard Hear In The Now Frontier except for Sign of the Times...
Stop where you are and call it good.
Where Are You Now is a great song, but one of my absolute favourites has to be The Way It Used To Be. I think that song got robbed when it wasn’t put on FII. That solo at the end is one of my favourite Petrucci solos.
Where Are You Now is a great song, but one of my absolute favourites has to be The Way It Used To Be. I think that song got robbed when it wasn’t put on FII. That solo at the end is one of my favourite Petrucci solos.
I'm also going to throw some love toward Where are You Now? If Portnoy we're still in the band, do you think this song would have been brought back live by now?
I agree with this, although I could imagine that if MP were in the band, there could always have been another special show or series of shows like those in December 1998 where such rarities could be resurrected. And in 2009(?) MP had spoken about adding You or Me (not to be confused with You Not Me) to the master setlist for a future tour, so who knows? A hypothetical that we'll never get the answer to...I'm also going to throw some love toward Where are You Now? If Portnoy we're still in the band, do you think this song would have been brought back live by now?Considering they only played it 3 times in 1998 and then never again, and Mike left in 2010, I highly doubt it.
And in 2009(?) MP had spoken about adding You or Me (not to be confused with You Not Me) to the master setlist for a future tour, so who knows?
And in 2009(?) MP had spoken about adding You or Me (not to be confused with You Not Me) to the master setlist for a future tour, so who knows?
Now THAT would've been interesting to see! :eek
Seeing that everyone has a perfect (and different) version of FII, I'm really conviced that FII should have been a double album, with Metropolis pt. 2 finished and basically the rest of the songs closer to its original arrangements. Personally, I'm sure that would like this way, with just a little nuances, like keeping the lyrics, the faster tempo and that drum intro of You Not Me; keeping the demo arrangement of Take Away My Pain; keeping the studio arrangement of Lines in the Sand and adding that little (and super cool!) keyboard pattern of Hell's Kitchen (2:47 to 3:01) on the demo version of Burning My Soul .
Then we'd have a double album of weak material instead of a single album.
Then we'd have a double album of weak material instead of a single album.
Bought Live in NYC 1993 last Friday. I’d never heard Eve before, it’s pretty fantastic. I tried to do a search for some discussion about it but couldn’t find anything, is there a thread about it somewhere?
And in 2009(?) MP had spoken about adding You or Me (not to be confused with You Not Me) to the master setlist for a future tour, so who knows?
Bought Live in NYC 1993 last Friday. I’d never heard Eve before, it’s pretty fantastic. I tried to do a search for some discussion about it but couldn’t find anything, is there a thread about it somewhere?
Bought Live in NYC 1993 last Friday. I’d never heard Eve before, it’s pretty fantastic. I tried to do a search for some discussion about it but couldn’t find anything, is there a thread about it somewhere?
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35281.0
From my pinned thread at the top, featuring links to threads dedicated to specific songs and albums.
-Marc.
Seeing that everyone has a perfect (and different) version of FII, I'm really conviced that FII should have been a double album, with Metropolis pt. 2 finished and basically the rest of the songs closer to its original arrangements. Personally, I'm sure that would like this way, with just a little nuances, like keeping the lyrics, the faster tempo and that drum intro of You Not Me; keeping the demo arrangement of Take Away My Pain; keeping the studio arrangement of Lines in the Sand and adding that little (and super cool!) keyboard pattern of Hell's Kitchen (2:47 to 3:01) on the demo version of Burning My Soul .
Usually, I tend to go with the final product (the actual FII album) for the songs that made the cut, but I think a "better" version of the album would be a double, including those 5 other completed songs (not counting Met. 2).
Bought Live in NYC 1993 last Friday. I’d never heard Eve before, it’s pretty fantastic. I tried to do a search for some discussion about it but couldn’t find anything, is there a thread about it somewhere?
Then we'd have a double album of weak material instead of a single album.
I just remembered that the special edition for The Astonishing novel had a bonus disc or something like that containing some demos from the TA sessions. I don't think a lot of people got or even know about these, so I'd love to see those demos being offered as a new LNFA release someday. I don't even know what was in those demos tbh :P
I just remembered that the special edition for The Astonishing novel had a bonus disc or something like that containing some demos from the TA sessions. I don't think a lot of people got or even know about these, so I'd love to see those demos being offered as a new LNFA release someday. I don't even know what was in those demos tbh :P
I bought the novel specifically for the demos. 10 tracks, about 28 minutes. They were a download, not on a disc at all. Fairly interesting, but really was just one song (The Gift of Music) from rough idea, through different demos and mixes, including the album mix... and then four short unused ideas. Interesting, but I'd hope for more if there ever was an Astonishing Demos disc.
1. TGOM iPhone Seed #1
2. TGOM iPhone Seed #2
3. TGOM Studio Guide Track (gtr. & keys)
4. TGOM Early Gtr. RUFF 2015-04-07
5. TGOM Instrumental RUFF Mix 2015-06-08
6. TGOM Final Album Master Mix
7. Unused Song Idea #1
8. Unused Song Idea #2
9. Unused Song Idea #3
10. Unused Song Idea #4
Has it been revealed here yet that The Number Of The Beast is the next release?
-Marc.
Has it been revealed here yet that The Number Of The Beast is the next release?Well, I listened on Spotify today, so it's out there.
-Marc.
Has it been revealed here yet that The Number Of The Beast is the next release?
-Marc.
Yep. That and Live in Berlin (2019) is the following release.
Has it been revealed here yet that The Number Of The Beast is the next release?
-Marc.
Yep. That and Live in Berlin (2019) is the following release.
Ah okay, I went back a few pages here and didn't see any mention of it. I only briefly saw a post about it kn Facebook earlier this morning .
Do we know what the August release will be yet?
-Marc.
I just remembered that the special edition for The Astonishing novel had a bonus disc or something like that containing some demos from the TA sessions. I don't think a lot of people got or even know about these, so I'd love to see those demos being offered as a new LNFA release someday. I don't even know what was in those demos tbh :P
I bought the novel specifically for the demos. 10 tracks, about 28 minutes. They were a download, not on a disc at all. Fairly interesting, but really was just one song (The Gift of Music) from rough idea, through different demos and mixes, including the album mix... and then four short unused ideas. Interesting, but I'd hope for more if there ever was an Astonishing Demos disc.
1. TGOM iPhone Seed #1
2. TGOM iPhone Seed #2
3. TGOM Studio Guide Track (gtr. & keys)
4. TGOM Early Gtr. RUFF 2015-04-07
5. TGOM Instrumental RUFF Mix 2015-06-08
6. TGOM Final Album Master Mix
7. Unused Song Idea #1
8. Unused Song Idea #2
9. Unused Song Idea #3
10. Unused Song Idea #4
Does anyone have a full list of what LNFA albums were released and when?
September 9thHappy birthday to me!
Images and Words Demos (1989-1991)
https://www.fnac.com/a17125844/Dream-Theater-Lost-Not-Forgotten-Archives-Images-And-Words-Demos-1989-1991-CD-album
I'm surprised you don't have this, Hef.I've got, um, a version of it.
September 9th
Images and Words Demos (1989-1991)
https://www.fnac.com/a17125844/Dream-Theater-Lost-Not-Forgotten-Archives-Images-And-Words-Demos-1989-1991-CD-album
September 9th
Images and Words Demos (1989-1991)
https://www.fnac.com/a17125844/Dream-Theater-Lost-Not-Forgotten-Archives-Images-And-Words-Demos-1989-1991-CD-album
Definitely pick this one up if you don't have it. Sad that the liner notes won't be included. This and the WDADU need those liner notes to really get the full picture. If anybody wants scans of those (or any others) from the original releases I could probably get those for you.
Does this mean we'll end up getting the Bucharest and Santiago shows? Because that would be SWEET.
September 9th
Images and Words Demos (1989-1991)
https://www.fnac.com/a17125844/Dream-Theater-Lost-Not-Forgotten-Archives-Images-And-Words-Demos-1989-1991-CD-album
Definitely pick this one up if you don't have it. Sad that the liner notes won't be included. This and the WDADU need those liner notes to really get the full picture. If anybody wants scans of those (or any others) from the original releases I could probably get those for you.
The Discogs page for Ytse Jam Records (https://www.discogs.com/label/84757-Ytsejam-Records) has scans under each individual album. Just click on the album cover on each album's individual page and scans should pop up. At least they're there for the WDADU and IAW demos pages that I checked.
-Marc.
Does this mean we'll end up getting the Bucharest and Santiago shows? Because that would be SWEET.
Not sure. They haven't announced any videos for The LNFA yet, and I'm skeptical since they skipped the video for WDADR.
-Marc.
Does this mean we'll end up getting the Bucharest and Santiago shows? Because that would be SWEET.
Not sure. They haven't announced any videos for The LNFA yet, and I'm skeptical since they skipped the video for WDADR.
-Marc.
Yeah, I'm starting to get a little worried, as Bucharest is my #1 most-wanted YJR release.
I’ve got the DVDs. Would love that audio.
https://auto.mercadolibre.cl/MLC-1011181342-porsche-macan-s-30-un-dueno-2017-_JM
Image number 12 is totally epic and unexpected.
https://auto.mercadolibre.cl/MLC-1011181342-porsche-macan-s-30-un-dueno-2017-_JM
Image number 12 is totally epic and unexpected.
:metal
https://auto.mercadolibre.cl/MLC-1011181342-porsche-macan-s-30-un-dueno-2017-_JM
Image number 12 is totally epic and unexpected.
:metal
I kinda want to buy a car just because it has played Dream Theater, lol.
I’ve got the DVDs. Would love that audio.
I’ve got the DVDs. Would love that audio.
Just rip the audio from it. That's what I did. :)
I’ve got the DVDs. Would love that audio.
Just rip the audio from it. That's what I did. :)
I’m 55 😆. I don’t speak that language.
meaning: excise the stereo audio track (you can use MakeMKV to do that btw, and it's free), so you can then chop it up into the songs and save the files. That way you can listen to the songs without needing to pop the DVD into your player.I’ve got the DVDs. Would love that audio.
Just rip the audio from it. That's what I did. :)
I’m 55 😆. I don’t speak that language.
I’ve got the DVDs. Would love that audio.
Just rip the audio from it. That's what I did. :)
I’m 55 😆. I don’t speak that language.
Same. I know what "rip" means in this context, but I wouldn't have the first idea how to do it.
excise the stereo audio track (you can use MakeMKV to do that btw, and it's free), so you can then chop it up into the songs and save the files.
Same. I know what "rip" means in this context, but I wouldn't have the first idea how to do it.
It's..er..easy! :lol
Simply..excise the stereo audio track (you can use MakeMKV to do that btw, and it's free), so you can then chop it up into the songs and save the files.
Same. I know what "rip" means in this context, but I wouldn't have the first idea how to do it.
It's..er..easy! :lol
Simply..excise the stereo audio track (you can use MakeMKV to do that btw, and it's free), so you can then chop it up into the songs and save the files.
Dude, I’m 35 and reading those instructions made my head hurt. There’s nothing I want to listen to bad enough to do that!
I’ve got the DVDs. Would love that audio.
Just rip the audio from it. That's what I did. :)
I’m 55 😆. I don’t speak that language.
Same. I know what "rip" means in this context, but I wouldn't have the first idea how to do it.
I just want everything on my streaming service. I’m not downloading or copying anything to my phone. Thanks for trying to help though.
I just want everything on my streaming service. I’m not downloading or copying anything to my phone. Thanks for trying to help though.
This.
I just want everything on my streaming service. I’m not downloading or copying anything to my phone. Thanks for trying to help though.
This.
See, I just want everything available on CD *AND* DVD/bluray. The most I do is copy CDs to my phone. I hate technology but I got the S22 500GB so I could put my entire CD collection on there and I have enough room to hopefully last me several more years.
I have no interest in streaming.
I just want everything on my streaming service. I’m not downloading or copying anything to my phone. Thanks for trying to help though.
This.
See, I just want everything available on CD *AND* DVD/bluray. The most I do is copy CDs to my phone. I hate technology but I got the S22 500GB so I could put my entire CD collection on there and I have enough room to hopefully last me several more years.
I have no interest in streaming.
Listen, you do you. But for me, it makes no sense to buy CDs, then rip them onto my phone. I can just stream the music on my phone already.
I’m sure you or someone will say, “well it’s better quality than streaming”. I’m sure it is. I don’t care lol. I have no problem with lossless on Apple Music. Or maybe it’s because you have stuff that isn’t available for streaming. That’s cool. But I’ve gotten to the point that I just care about trying to get different versions of songs and shit that aren’t on streaming. It’s just the ease and convenience over everything.
So to those that have bought all the LNF releases so far on CD are they worth it? I was glad they brought it back with YtseJam records gone AWOL but the fact that there are no liner notes gives me pause to buy these. I might just be content to stream them.
So to those that have bought all the LNF releases so far on CD are they worth it? I was glad they brought it back with YtseJam records gone AWOL but the fact that there are no liner notes gives me pause to buy these. I might just be content to stream them.
I just want everything on my streaming service. I’m not downloading or copying anything to my phone. Thanks for trying to help though.
This.
See, I just want everything available on CD *AND* DVD/bluray. The most I do is copy CDs to my phone. I hate technology but I got the S22 500GB so I could put my entire CD collection on there and I have enough room to hopefully last me several more years.
I have no interest in streaming.
Listen, you do you. But for me, it makes no sense to buy CDs, then rip them onto my phone. I can just stream the music on my phone already.
I’m sure you or someone will say, “well it’s better quality than streaming”. I’m sure it is. I don’t care lol. I have no problem with lossless on Apple Music. Or maybe it’s because you have stuff that isn’t available for streaming. That’s cool. But I’ve gotten to the point that I just care about trying to get different versions of songs and shit that aren’t on streaming. It’s just the ease and convenience over everything.
So to those that have bought all the LNF releases so far on CD are they worth it? I was glad they brought it back with YtseJam records gone AWOL but the fact that there are no liner notes gives me pause to buy these. I might just be content to stream them.
If the question is limited to LNFA releases, I can't answer. However, if you're asking in general if the material is worthwhile, I'll answer with a big thumbs up for the stuff I bould from YJR. I bought the Making of SFAM, the I&W Demos, the 3/4/93 NYC show, and the WDADRu DVD. I also would have bought the "Uncovered" CD but didn't get it before it was sold out (but acquired it by other means). All of those were absolutely worthwhile purchases that I'd recommend to any DT fan. The liner notes add to it, but I would recommend all of these even without the liner notes (and, as I think someone mentioned recently, the liner notes are available via the discogs.com website).
Yeah, 99.9% of people don't use portable CD players with headphones.
https://twitter.com/insideouteu/status/1547944749918654466?cxt=HHwWhMCo7Y7js_sqAAAA
https://twitter.com/insideouteu/status/1547944749918654466?cxt=HHwWhMCo7Y7js_sqAAAA
For those who don't want to click:
"Originally released in 2005 on Ytsejam Records, ‘Images And Words Demos (1989-1991)’ documents a special period for [Dream Theater] as they prepared for the release of their landmark ‘Images and Words’ album. "
https://twitter.com/insideouteu/status/1547944749918654466?cxt=HHwWhMCo7Y7js_sqAAAA
For those who don't want to click:
"Originally released in 2005 on Ytsejam Records, ‘Images And Words Demos (1989-1991)’ documents a special period for [Dream Theater] as they prepared for the release of their landmark ‘Images and Words’ album. "
Not that this is a big deal put I'll point it out anyway. I seem to remember this being released in 2007, just in time for the Chaos in Motion tour. It was at the merch stand with the Tokyo ACoS show they put out in the same batch.
This must be a new version of I&W Demos :D (this came on the Century Media newsletter a week or two ago). And no, I didn't photoshop this.
(https://i.imgur.com/kmc9EE2.jpg)
No, it's different. It's the Images and Words DEMONS, not the Demos. I'm excited. I'm expected Zak Baggins and a lot of grainy, night-vision-enhanced shuffling noises and wind that sounds like screams. :) :) :)
OOH! Or maybe an album of KISS covers!! Rock and ROLL!
During pt. 2 of his Young Guitar interview, JP explicitly said that they're going to add older live shows with MP that haven't been released before, newer shows with MM, and demos that we've never heard from albums not featured before in this collection. He also specifically talked about an older festival show in Japan they're releasing later (he said Download, but they haven't played Download in Japan before, so I think it's the Summer Sonic 2010 one).
Here's the link: https://youtu.be/CU-Ffw1qNKo
During pt. 2 of his Young Guitar interview, JP explicitly said that they're going to add older live shows with MP that haven't been released before, newer shows with MM, and demos that we've never heard from albums not featured before in this collection. He also specifically talked about an older festival show in Japan they're releasing later (he said Download, but they haven't played Download in Japan before, so I think it's the Summer Sonic 2010 one).
Here's the link: https://youtu.be/CU-Ffw1qNKo
In b4 “iT aLREeAdY SoUnDs lIKe tHaT!! hahahahaha!!”
Nice! Maybe there i hope for hearing ADTOE with a drum machine!
During pt. 2 of his Young Guitar interview, JP explicitly said that they're going to add older live shows with MP that haven't been released before, newer shows with MM, and demos that we've never heard from albums not featured before in this collection. He also specifically talked about an older festival show in Japan they're releasing later (he said Download, but they haven't played Download in Japan before, so I think it's the Summer Sonic 2010 one).
Here's the link: https://youtu.be/CU-Ffw1qNKo
I listened to those demos once, and never had any interest in listening to them again. I am rarely if ever interested in demos. But yes it is indeed great that the band did make them available.
Just ordered my first LNF CD. I preordered the Live In Berlin 2019 show. Very pumped for it. I really like the setlist and I hope it's good. Getting live shows was such a great thing with Ytsejam. I hope there's more in the pipeline.
I love The way it used to be! Great little U2 vibe going on there.
It should be on my doorstep when I get home tomorrow.
No, it's different. It's the Images and Words DEMONS, not the Demos. I'm excited. I'm expected Zak Baggins and a lot of grainy, night-vision-enhanced shuffling noises and wind that sounds like screams. :) :) :)
Wow....I wish JLB's vocals were like this on the Distant Memories release.
I am also loving this mix. It's big, dynamic and I can hear the keyboards a lot better. Everything has space.
This is the best live release of the Mangini era. The “A Dramatic Tour of Events - Select Board Recordings” is close though.
This is the best live release of the Mangini era. The “A Dramatic Tour of Events - Select Board Recordings” is close though.
They both have that "this was not processed in a studio" feeling.
This is the best live release of the Mangini era. The “A Dramatic Tour of Events - Select Board Recordings” is close though.
They both have that "this was not processed in a studio" feeling.
This is the best live release of the Mangini era. The “A Dramatic Tour of Events - Select Board Recordings” is close though.
They both have that "this was not processed in a studio" feeling.
I agree, but this new one has a better mix and a more consistent sound quality than ADTour, which, in many songs you can’t hear well MM’s bass drums (as example, hear TCOT). This new one really sounds delicious!
I love The way it used to be! Great little U2 vibe going on there.
Speak To Me as well.
List of Ytsejam Products
DEMO SERIES
When Dream and Day Unite Demos 1987-1989
STUDIO SERIES
The Making of Falling Into Infinity
The Making of Scenes From a Memory
LIVE SERIES
Tokyo, Japan 10/28/95
Old Bridge, New Jersey 12/14/96
Los Angeles, California 5/18/98
Romania, Bucharest 7/4/02 (DVD only)
Santiago, Chile 12/6/05 (DVD only)
COVER SERIES
The Dark Side of the Moon
Made in Japan
Uncovered 2003-2005
LTE SERIES
Live in NYC
When the Keyboard Breaks: Live in Chicago
Live in LA
LTE Live 2008 (Box Set)
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE release the Ronnie Scott's show and/or one or more of the acoustic shows.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE release the Ronnie Scott's show and/or one or more of the acoustic shows.
This would be AMAZING if they release it officially. I personally would like the Fan Club show which includes Speak to Me.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE release the Ronnie Scott's show and/or one or more of the acoustic shows.
This would be AMAZING if they release it officially. I personally would like the Fan Club show which includes Speak to Me.
Yep, both of these please!. I wonder if the guest performances at Ronnie Scott’s (Howe, Hogarth/Rothery, Cookie Monster) make it prohibitive to release it though? Not sure how that works in terms of royalties or if they have to get record company permission or something?
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE release the Ronnie Scott's show and/or one or more of the acoustic shows.
This would be AMAZING if they release it officially. I personally would like the Fan Club show which includes Speak to Me.
Yep, both of these please!. I wonder if the guest performances at Ronnie Scott’s (Howe, Hogarth/Rothery, Cookie Monster) make it prohibitive to release it though? Not sure how that works in terms of royalties or if they have to get record company permission or something?
I know they did a Metallica song with the Cookie Monster guy and a Yes song with Howe. Including those songs would require payment of royalties to the owners of the publishing rights for those songs (in the case of Metallica, I'm pretty sure that's an entity called Creeping Death Music, but I'm not sure about Yes). Not sure who the other guys you mentioned are, but the same would be true if they performed non-DT songs. There would be no additional royalty payments required for a guest musician on a DT song, unless they performed pursuant to a contract that required such payments.
I would imagine that the YJR "Cover Series" releases generated virtually no profit.
As a long time Dream Theater fan, I actually have zero interest in the Ronnie Scott's show.
As a long time Dream Theater fan, I actually have zero interest in the Ronnie Scott's show.
OMG This! How this is such a 'holy grail' release is beyond me. But I appreciate many fans enjoy them playing music by other artists, which, again, is beyond me.
As a long time Dream Theater fan, I actually have zero interest in the Ronnie Scott's show.
OMG This! How this is such a 'holy grail' release is beyond me. But I appreciate many fans enjoy them playing music by other artists, which, again, is beyond me.
That was my introduction to Marillion too! Except for me, it was also the last song of theirs I ever wanted to hear. :)
I should apologize, I didn't mean to crap on your memory; I just had the complete opposite reaction. Marillion is just one of those bands lots of DT fans like that I cannot get in to.
As a long time Dream Theater fan, I actually have zero interest in the Ronnie Scott's show.
OMG This! How this is such a 'holy grail' release is beyond me. But I appreciate many fans enjoy them playing music by other artists, which, again, is beyond me.
Same here, I have zero interest in any of the cover releases.
As a long time Dream Theater fan, I actually have zero interest in the Ronnie Scott's show.
OMG This! How this is such a 'holy grail' release is beyond me. But I appreciate many fans enjoy them playing music by other artists, which, again, is beyond me.
As a long time Dream Theater fan, I actually have zero interest in the Ronnie Scott's show.
OMG This! How this is such a 'holy grail' release is beyond me. But I appreciate many fans enjoy them playing music by other artists, which, again, is beyond me.
By the way, "Cookie Monster Guy" is Barney Greenway from Napalm Death. I'm not sure it's necessarily a "Holy Grail" release, but it's like anything else; no one is asking you to buy anything you don't want to buy. I happen to like when they do covers, and that was a cool way to get all of them in one place; now, we have piece meals from various videos, live releases, and Fan Club CDs. I'm not asking for the world, just a concise way of experiencing the night in question without having to guess where all the pieces go. I think it's fun and interesting when they play with other people. If no one else is interested in that, that's cool. No harm, no foul.
I guess the whole Ronnie Scott’s show was covers, so that’s probably the reason they may not release it moreso than the guest performers. Just didn’t know if maybe those guys would also get a cut for being part of the performance in addition to any royalties.
As a long time Dream Theater fan, I actually have zero interest in the Ronnie Scott's show.
As a long time Dream Theater fan, I actually have zero interest in the Ronnie Scott's show.
OMG This! How this is such a 'holy grail' release is beyond me. But I appreciate many fans enjoy them playing music by other artists, which, again, is beyond me.
By the way, "Cookie Monster Guy" is Barney Greenway from Napalm Death. I'm not sure it's necessarily a "Holy Grail" release, but it's like anything else; no one is asking you to buy anything you don't want to buy. I happen to like when they do covers, and that was a cool way to get all of them in one place; now, we have piece meals from various videos, live releases, and Fan Club CDs. I'm not asking for the world, just a concise way of experiencing the night in question without having to guess where all the pieces go. I think it's fun and interesting when they play with other people. If no one else is interested in that, that's cool. No harm, no foul.
I guess the whole Ronnie Scott’s show was covers, so that’s probably the reason they may not release it moreso than the guest performers. Just didn’t know if maybe those guys would also get a cut for being part of the performance in addition to any royalties.
It's certainly possible that there were contracts with the guest performers that would entitle them to royalties. No way to know that. However, looking at setlist.fm, it was, indeed, all covers (blue indicates release on ACOS, red indicates release on 5YIAL):
- Funeral for a Friend/Love Lies Bleeding (Elton John)
- Perfect Strangers (Deep Purple)
- Red Hill Mining Town (U2)
- The Rover/Achilles Last Stand/The Song Remains the Same (Led Zeppelin)
- Tears (Rush)
- Damage, Inc. (Metallica)
- Happiness Is a Warm Gun (The Beatles)
- Easter (Marillion)
- Winter (Tori Amos)
- In the Dead of Night (U.K.)
- Machine Messiah/Heart of the Sunrise/Close to the Edge/Siberian Khatru/Starship Trooper (Yes)
- The Big Medley (Floyd/Kansas/Queen/Journey/Dregs/Genesis)
I feel like there was an official release of Tears somewhere, but I don't recall any specifics.As a long time Dream Theater fan, I actually have zero interest in the Ronnie Scott's show.
I'm mostly the same. Given that most of it was officially released, and the only stuff that wasn't released I'm not interested in (really, only the other Yes songs), it'd be a big nothing for me. However, if they released a video, I might be up for that (frankly, that's probably the case for virtually any live release anymore).
I guess the whole Ronnie Scott’s show was covers, so that’s probably the reason they may not release it moreso than the guest performers. Just didn’t know if maybe those guys would also get a cut for being part of the performance in addition to any royalties.
It's certainly possible that there were contracts with the guest performers that would entitle them to royalties. No way to know that. However, looking at setlist.fm, it was, indeed, all covers (blue indicates release on ACOS, red indicates release on 5YIAL):
- Funeral for a Friend/Love Lies Bleeding (Elton John)
- Perfect Strangers (Deep Purple)
- Red Hill Mining Town (U2)
- The Rover/Achilles Last Stand/The Song Remains the Same (Led Zeppelin)
- Tears (Rush)
- Damage, Inc. (Metallica)
- Happiness Is a Warm Gun (The Beatles)
- Easter (Marillion)
- Winter (Tori Amos)
- In the Dead of Night (U.K.)
- Machine Messiah/Heart of the Sunrise/Close to the Edge/Siberian Khatru/Starship Trooper (Yes)
- The Big Medley (Floyd/Kansas/Queen/Journey/Dregs/Genesis)
I feel like there was an official release of Tears somewhere, but I don't recall any specifics.As a long time Dream Theater fan, I actually have zero interest in the Ronnie Scott's show.
I'm mostly the same. Given that most of it was officially released, and the only stuff that wasn't released I'm not interested in (really, only the other Yes songs), it'd be a big nothing for me. However, if they released a video, I might be up for that (frankly, that's probably the case for virtually any live release anymore).
Tears and Red Hill Mining Town were on a Fan Club CD. 1996, I think.
Winter is the song I'd like to get a good quality recording of.
Random question (or idea for a future release if anyone involved is reading):
There's gotta be video from the entire August 30, 2000 show (the LSFNY show). Right? We have full audio on the CD release, but we haven't seen video from most of the second set. Seems like it would be an easy choice for a future release. Right?
Random question (or idea for a future release if anyone involved is reading):
There's gotta be video from the entire August 30, 2000 show (the LSFNY show). Right? We have full audio on the CD release, but we haven't seen video from most of the second set. Seems like it would be an easy choice for a future release. Right?
Random question (or idea for a future release if anyone involved is reading):
There's gotta be video from the entire August 30, 2000 show (the LSFNY show). Right? We have full audio on the CD release, but we haven't seen video from most of the second set. Seems like it would be an easy choice for a future release. Right?
Progressive metal titans Dream Theater perform their distinctive rendition of ‘Made in Japan’, the quintessential live record from British heavy metal icons, Deep Purple. Recorded live in 2006 at NHK Hall in Osaka, Japan, the 7-track recording memorializes this one-of-a-kind performance from the New York quintet, honoring the original and historic 1972 classic. Re-mastered and re-released for the first time on vinyl, ‘Made in Japan’ marks the next can’t-miss release in Dream Theater’s growing Lost Not Forgotten Archives collection. Pre-order now here on CD, Vinyl & Digital: https://dream-theater.lnk.to/LNFA-MadeInJapan-Live2006
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Made In Japan is easily my favorite Cover Album, and the only one that I’ll listen to.Nah, I'll still take Dark Side over this. Here's how I rank their full cover album performances.
Why is it on the "Live" category and not on "Covers"?QuoteProgressive metal titans Dream Theater perform their distinctive rendition of ‘Made in Japan’, the quintessential live record from British heavy metal icons, Deep Purple. Recorded live in 2006 at NHK Hall in Osaka, Japan, the 7-track recording memorializes this one-of-a-kind performance from the New York quintet, honoring the original and historic 1972 classic. Re-mastered and re-released for the first time on vinyl, ‘Made in Japan’ marks the next can’t-miss release in Dream Theater’s growing Lost Not Forgotten Archives collection. Pre-order now here on CD, Vinyl & Digital: https://dream-theater.lnk.to/LNFA-MadeInJapan-Live2006
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-Marc.
Why is it on the "Live" category and not on "Covers"?
Why is it on the "Live" category and not on "Covers"?
Because... https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2006/tokyo-kokusai-forum-tokyo-japan-33d6d099.html
Why is it on the "Live" category and not on "Covers"?
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2002/razzmatazz-barcelona-spain-7bd6d2cc.htmlWhy is it on the "Live" category and not on "Covers"?
Because... https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2006/tokyo-kokusai-forum-tokyo-japan-33d6d099.html
Why is it on the "Live" category and not on "Covers"?
Because... https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2006/tokyo-kokusai-forum-tokyo-japan-33d6d099.html
Yeah, but all of their Cover albums were recorded live in front of an audience.
Why is it on the "Live" category and not on "Covers"?
Because the attention to detail on these releases has been f***ing abysmal. Just look at how the names have been written on what's been put our so far. Some say Live, some say Live in wherever, some have dates in parentheses, some are just after a comma, and some don't have dates at all! There's no uniformity, something that MP would have been pissed about and never would let happen if he were still in charge of this kind of stuff. So yeah, now one of the Covers albums is categorized as Live. Mega-lame.
LIVE SERIES
Images and Words – Live in Japan, 2017
A Dramatic Tour of Events – Select Board Mixes
When Dream and Day Reunite (Live)
Live in NYC – 1993
...And Beyond – Live in Japan, 2017
Live in Berlin (2019)
COVERS
Master of Puppets – Live in Barcelona, 2002
The Number of the Beast (2002)
Made in Japan - Live (2006)
DEMOS
Train of Thought Instrumental Demos (2003)
The Majesty Demos (1985-1986)
Awake Demos (1994)
Falling into Infinity Demos, 1996-1997
Images and Words Demos (1989-1991)
Why is it on the "Live" category and not on "Covers"?
Because the attention to detail on these releases has been f***ing abysmal. Just look at how the names have been written on what's been put our so far. Some say Live, some say Live in wherever, some have dates in parentheses, some are just after a comma, and some don't have dates at all! There's no uniformity, something that MP would have been pissed about and never would let happen if he were still in charge of this kind of stuff. So yeah, now one of the Covers albums is categorized as Live. Mega-lame.
LIVE SERIES
Images and Words – Live in Japan, 2017
A Dramatic Tour of Events – Select Board Mixes
When Dream and Day Reunite (Live)
Live in NYC – 1993
...And Beyond – Live in Japan, 2017
Live in Berlin (2019)
COVERS
Master of Puppets – Live in Barcelona, 2002
The Number of the Beast (2002)
Made in Japan - Live (2006)
DEMOS
Train of Thought Instrumental Demos (2003)
The Majesty Demos (1985-1986)
Awake Demos (1994)
Falling into Infinity Demos, 1996-1997
Images and Words Demos (1989-1991)
Yeah, the attention to detail has been a bit sloppy with these releases so far, but I'm still quite happy they're offering them again, and specially the new stuff that's coming out as well.
What would be really awesome would be if they released the entire WDADR show with the rest of that night's songs included.
A couple others I want to see:
Live in Winterthur, Switzerland, 10/31/07 (Six of eight songs from Systematic Chaos played, in album order, with Blind Faith and Lines in the Sand replacing the two they skipped)
A couple others I want to see:
Live in Winterthur, Switzerland, 10/31/07 (Six of eight songs from Systematic Chaos played, in album order, with Blind Faith and Lines in the Sand replacing the two they skipped)
What did we lose? Repentance and Prophets?
A couple others I want to see:
Live in Winterthur, Switzerland, 10/31/07 (Six of eight songs from Systematic Chaos played, in album order, with Blind Faith and Lines in the Sand replacing the two they skipped)
What did we lose? Repentance and Prophets?
Indeed :tup
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2007/eulachhalle-winterthur-switzerland-3bd6d0dc.html
Because... https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2006/tokyo-kokusai-forum-tokyo-japan-33d6d099.html
Because the attention to detail on these releases has been f***ing abysmal. Just look at how the names have been written on what's been put our so far.
A couple others I want to see:
Live in Manchester, England, 1/16/04 (Train of Thought played front to back)
Because... https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2006/tokyo-kokusai-forum-tokyo-japan-33d6d099.html
Imagine going to see Dream Theater for the first time and you get this pretty terrible setlist with half a set of cover songs :lol
A couple others I want to see:
Live in Manchester, England, 1/16/04 (Train of Thought played front to back)
MP's left the band since, of course, but he slapped a no trade on the bootleg of this show because he said there were a number of first night gremlins in the performance. I doubt it'd ever get released in view of that.
Because... https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2006/tokyo-kokusai-forum-tokyo-japan-33d6d099.html
Imagine going to see Dream Theater for the first time and you get this pretty terrible setlist with half a set of cover songs :lol
At that point, it was fairly well known that the 2nd night of a two-night stand was going to feature a cover album in its entirety, so you were taking a gamble if you chose to go the second night. :P
I was just typing "Hey, haven't we discussed that here once or 206 times before?"
A couple others I want to see:
Live in Winterthur, Switzerland, 10/31/07 (Six of eight songs from Systematic Chaos played, in album order, with Blind Faith and Lines in the Sand replacing the two they skipped)
What did we lose? Repentance and Prophets?
Indeed :tup
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2007/eulachhalle-winterthur-switzerland-3bd6d0dc.html
DAYUM! Now that’s a setlist!
A couple others I want to see:
Live in Winterthur, Switzerland, 10/31/07 (Six of eight songs from Systematic Chaos played, in album order, with Blind Faith and Lines in the Sand replacing the two they skipped)
What did we lose? Repentance and Prophets?
Indeed :tup
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2007/eulachhalle-winterthur-switzerland-3bd6d0dc.html
DAYUM! Now that’s a setlist!
It sure is 100% a definite definition of a set list; but a pretty terrible one.
Yeah, the attention to detail has been a bit sloppy with these releases so far, but I'm still quite happy they're offering them again, and specially the new stuff that's coming out as well.
A couple others I want to see:
Live in Winterthur, Switzerland, 10/31/07 (Six of eight songs from Systematic Chaos played, in album order, with Blind Faith and Lines in the Sand replacing the two they skipped)
What did we lose? Repentance and Prophets?
Indeed :tup
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2007/eulachhalle-winterthur-switzerland-3bd6d0dc.html
DAYUM! Now that’s a setlist!
It sure is 100% a definite definition of a set list; but a pretty terrible one.
Yeah, the attention to detail has been a bit sloppy with these releases so far, but I'm still quite happy they're offering them again, and specially the new stuff that's coming out as well.
That's because mike is no longer in charge. I've been cherry picking the newer releases limiting myself to previously unreleased and my favorite Ytsejam releases. No need to have to full sets at this point.
Yeah, the attention to detail has been a bit sloppy with these releases so far, but I'm still quite happy they're offering them again, and specially the new stuff that's coming out as well.
That's because mike is no longer in charge. I've been cherry picking the newer releases limiting myself to previously unreleased and my favorite Ytsejam releases. No need to have to full sets at this point.
So, I have a complete Ytsejam set (Dream Theater, not the LTE stuff). Are the items being re-released through Lost Not Forgotten different (musically) in any way? I've only been buying the stuff that hasn't been released before. I'm not interested in a "complete" LNF set, just hearing new or different music.
Yeah, the attention to detail has been a bit sloppy with these releases so far, but I'm still quite happy they're offering them again, and specially the new stuff that's coming out as well.
That's because mike is no longer in charge. I've been cherry picking the newer releases limiting myself to previously unreleased and my favorite Ytsejam releases. No need to have to full sets at this point.
So, I have a complete Ytsejam set (Dream Theater, not the LTE stuff). Are the items being re-released through Lost Not Forgotten different (musically) in any way? I've only been buying the stuff that hasn't been released before. I'm not interested in a "complete" LNF set, just hearing new or different music.
They've been remastered and apparently the Awake demos got remixed too, but other than that, they are the same thing as the originals.
Yeah, the attention to detail has been a bit sloppy with these releases so far, but I'm still quite happy they're offering them again, and specially the new stuff that's coming out as well.
That's because mike is no longer in charge. I've been cherry picking the newer releases limiting myself to previously unreleased and my favorite Ytsejam releases. No need to have to full sets at this point.
So, I have a complete Ytsejam set (Dream Theater, not the LTE stuff). Are the items being re-released through Lost Not Forgotten different (musically) in any way? I've only been buying the stuff that hasn't been released before. I'm not interested in a "complete" LNF set, just hearing new or different music.
They've been remastered and apparently the Awake demos got remixed too, but other than that, they are the same thing as the originals.
The applause in between songs, though, is freaky; I get it, it's a soundboard (right?) but still. Minor quibble, though, as the band sounds incredible.
The applause in between songs, though, is freaky; I get it, it's a soundboard (right?) but still. Minor quibble, though, as the band sounds incredible.
Wait, is THAT why I can hardly hear the crowd? It's kind of deflating when I can't hear the audience go flippin' wild when the next song starts up.
I think it's during LIE and the muted/muffled audience is cranked up because LaBrie has the audience sing a part and...it sounds...ghoulish.
I think it's during LIE and the muted/muffled audience is cranked up because LaBrie has the audience sing a part and...it sounds...ghoulish.
Now I gotta listen to this for myself!
So while listening to the Live In Berlin set, this jumped out at me.
6:22 of As I Am..
"I'll extend my haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand" :hefdaddy :metal :hefdaddy
Fucking James, where in Satan's Hell did that come from?
So while listening to the Live In Berlin set, this jumped out at me.
6:22 of As I Am..
"I'll extend my haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand" :hefdaddy :metal :hefdaddy
Fucking James, where in Satan's Hell did that come from?
So while listening to the Live In Berlin set, this jumped out at me.
6:22 of As I Am..
"I'll extend my haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand" :hefdaddy :metal :hefdaddy
Fucking James, where in Satan's Hell did that come from?
Just got the Images and Words Demos. And the content is the Live in Berlin cd. What? Anyone else have this issue?
Would've never happened with MP around. :lol
I'm kidding, kinda..
So while listening to the Live In Berlin set, this jumped out at me.
6:22 of As I Am..
"I'll extend my haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand" :hefdaddy :metal :hefdaddy
Fucking James, where in Satan's Hell did that come from?
For November' 11th : LOST NOT FORGOTTEN ARCHIVES: OLD BRIDGE, NEW JERSEY (1996)
https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13 (https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13)
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For November' 11th : LOST NOT FORGOTTEN ARCHIVES: OLD BRIDGE, NEW JERSEY (1996)Sweet! This is one that I never got from YtseJam!
https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13 (https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13)
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For November' 11th : LOST NOT FORGOTTEN ARCHIVES: OLD BRIDGE, NEW JERSEY (1996)Sweet! This is one that I never got from YtseJam!
https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13 (https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13)
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I have heard good things about it.For November' 11th : LOST NOT FORGOTTEN ARCHIVES: OLD BRIDGE, NEW JERSEY (1996)Sweet! This is one that I never got from YtseJam!
https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13 (https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13)
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I think it's a gem.
For November' 11th : LOST NOT FORGOTTEN ARCHIVES: OLD BRIDGE, NEW JERSEY (1996)Yeah! Nice artwork! I will listen to my ytsejam mp3 of that show...
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For November' 11th : LOST NOT FORGOTTEN ARCHIVES: OLD BRIDGE, NEW JERSEY (1996)
https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13 (https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13)
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For November' 11th : LOST NOT FORGOTTEN ARCHIVES: OLD BRIDGE, NEW JERSEY (1996)Sweet! This is one that I never got from YtseJam!
https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13 (https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13)
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I think it's a gem.
For November' 11th : LOST NOT FORGOTTEN ARCHIVES: OLD BRIDGE, NEW JERSEY (1996)
https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13 (https://www.insideoutshop.de/Artist/Dream_Theater/20563?Page=1&PageSize=25&Sort=13)
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with the notable difference and exception that OIAL was heavily shortened and never in the actual concert order (look at Porty's concert database for the setlist and you'll see) and the Old Bridge show actually was an entire showAlso all the FII songs are in their demo arrangements and Metropolis and LTL are with alternative solo sections. It's really an interesting show to have!
with the notable difference and exception that OIAL was heavily shortened and never in the actual concert order (look at Porty's concert database for the setlist and you'll see) and the Old Bridge show actually was an entire showAlso all the FII songs are in their demo arrangements and Metropolis and LTL are with alternative solo sections. It's really an interesting show to have!
Both full :tup
Are these songs recorded live in New Jersey, in 1996? I am not sure. Could they not have just put that as a subtitle and not have to include it in every single track?
Another reason is for the version of CiaW that they did on that tour, which was known as "Caught In Alice's Nine Inch Tool Garden". It ended up providing the initial seeds for what ended up becoming New Millennium.Both full :tupNice! May have to check this one out.
That's the Old Bridge show for sure, and it was the setlist for that short tour.
BTW, if anyone does not have this, this is a must get.
IIRC, the version of Burning My Soul was the original demo version that day (meaning, not the one that was tampered with in various ways for FII)That's the Old Bridge show for sure, and it was the setlist for that short tour.
BTW, if anyone does not have this, this is a must get.
Why? As Max noted, with the exception of The Mirror and TKH (and Burning My Soul, which is only on the DVD), all of this stuff is on Once in a Livetime (and the version of TKH on Live at the Marquee is infinitely superior than anything that would have been done in 1996).
Unless there's something special here, I'm not inclined to plunk down for a show supporting one of my least favorite albums and which is similar to something that already exists.
Why? As Max noted, with the exception of The Mirror and TKH (and Burning My Soul, which is only on the DVD), all of this stuff is on Once in a Livetime (and the version of TKH on Live at the Marquee is infinitely superior than anything that would have been done in 1996).
Unless there's something special here, I'm not inclined to plunk down for a show supporting one of my least favorite albums and which is similar to something that already exists.
So here's one for you all....
So the b-sides to the Hollow Years single in Japan included "Burning My Soul" and "Another Hand/The Killing Hand" allegedly from that show. I don't recall the differences now, but when I compared them last, they were different. Are they not from that night? Did they touch up either the b-sides or the full show? Anyone know?
As Max noted, with the exception of The Mirror and TKH (and Burning My Soul, which is only on the DVD), all of this stuff is on Once in a Livetime (and the version of TKH on Live at the Marquee is infinitely superior than anything that would have been done in 1996).
Unless there's something special here, I'm not inclined to plunk down for a show supporting one of my least favorite albums and which is similar to something that already exists.
Both full :tupAlso all the FII songs are in their demo arrangements and Metropolis and LTL are with alternative solo sections. It's really an interesting show to have!Is it the full Metropolis and Learning to Live, or did they medley them like on OIALT?
Another reason is for the version of CiaW that they did on that tour, which was known as "Caught In Alice's Nine Inch Tool Garden"....and that's in addition to the demo arrangements of BMS, LitS and TAMP which some fans feel are superior to what ended up on the album.
But if you don't think it's worth it don't bother.
There's also a bunch of extended instrumental noodling, including a nod to Carol of the Bells, which probably would have been cool if I were there, but which is nothing special on a recording.
There's also a bunch of extended instrumental noodling, including a nod to Carol of the Bells, which probably would have been cool if I were there, but which is nothing special on a recording.
I always wondered why they randomly decided to play some Carol of the Bells in the middle of TKH. Was there a special reason for this? Did they first do it for Christmas season shows? ??? Not that I don't enjoy it, just asking why.
Also, an opinion that nobody asked for, but I, too, prefer the LATM version :P
There's also a bunch of extended instrumental noodling, including a nod to Carol of the Bells, which probably would have been cool if I were there, but which is nothing special on a recording.
I always wondered why they randomly decided to play some Carol of the Bells in the middle of TKH. Was there a special reason for this? Did they first do it for Christmas season shows? ??? Not that I don't enjoy it, just asking why.
Also, an opinion that nobody asked for, but I, too, prefer the LATM version :P
The Old Bridge and Toad's Place shows were two of the five shows known as "The Fix for '96" between Dec. 4-14, 1996. MP no longer has the FAQ pages on his website (or if he does, I can't find them), but if I remember correctly, these shows were done to stay fresh while they were waiting to get the green light for recording FII (they hadn't played live since December 1995, so they were itching to play). Since the shows were shortly before Christmas, then threw some Christmas music, which I believe was not uncommon back then for shows in December.
And of course... the complete list can be found here:
https://www.mikeportnoy.com/tourography/ (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/tourography/) Just click on the DT icon (or any other...if interested)
There's also a bunch of extended instrumental noodling, including a nod to Carol of the Bells, which probably would have been cool if I were there, but which is nothing special on a recording.
I always wondered why they randomly decided to play some Carol of the Bells in the middle of TKH. Was there a special reason for this? Did they first do it for Christmas season shows? ??? Not that I don't enjoy it, just asking why.
Also, an opinion that nobody asked for, but I, too, prefer the LATM version :P
The Old Bridge and Toad's Place shows were two of the five shows known as "The Fix for '96" between Dec. 4-14, 1996. MP no longer has the FAQ pages on his website (or if he does, I can't find them), but if I remember correctly, these shows were done to stay fresh while they were waiting to get the green light for recording FII (they hadn't played live since December 1995, so they were itching to play). Since the shows were shortly before Christmas, then threw some Christmas music, which I believe was not uncommon back then for shows in December.
There's also a bunch of extended instrumental noodling, including a nod to Carol of the Bells, which probably would have been cool if I were there, but which is nothing special on a recording.
I always wondered why they randomly decided to play some Carol of the Bells in the middle of TKH. Was there a special reason for this? Did they first do it for Christmas season shows? ??? Not that I don't enjoy it, just asking why.
Also, an opinion that nobody asked for, but I, too, prefer the LATM version :P
The Old Bridge and Toad's Place shows were two of the five shows known as "The Fix for '96" between Dec. 4-14, 1996. MP no longer has the FAQ pages on his website (or if he does, I can't find them), but if I remember correctly, these shows were done to stay fresh while they were waiting to get the green light for recording FII (they hadn't played live since December 1995, so they were itching to play). Since the shows were shortly before Christmas, then threw some Christmas music, which I believe was not uncommon back then for shows in December.
That makes sense, but IIRC, they kept that Christmas section when they played it later in the 2000's ???
It's clear, you're right. ;) In fact the page is not that updated but it still serves as a good reference.And of course... the complete list can be found here:
https://www.mikeportnoy.com/tourography/ (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/tourography/) Just click on the DT icon (or any other...if interested)
Just to be clear, yes, the Tourography pages are still there. The FAQ pages were different and, as far as I can tell, are gone. Of course, most, if not all, of what was covered in the FAQ pages was also covered in the Lifting Shadows book.
There's also a bunch of extended instrumental noodling, including a nod to Carol of the Bells, which probably would have been cool if I were there, but which is nothing special on a recording.
I always wondered why they randomly decided to play some Carol of the Bells in the middle of TKH. Was there a special reason for this? Did they first do it for Christmas season shows? ??? Not that I don't enjoy it, just asking why.
Also, an opinion that nobody asked for, but I, too, prefer the LATM version :P
The Old Bridge and Toad's Place shows were two of the five shows known as "The Fix for '96" between Dec. 4-14, 1996. MP no longer has the FAQ pages on his website (or if he does, I can't find them), but if I remember correctly, these shows were done to stay fresh while they were waiting to get the green light for recording FII (they hadn't played live since December 1995, so they were itching to play). Since the shows were shortly before Christmas, then threw some Christmas music, which I believe was not uncommon back then for shows in December.
That makes sense, but IIRC, they kept that Christmas section when they played it later in the 2000's ???
Is Carol of the Bells in the arrangement for the Re-Unite version from 2004?
Is Carol of the Bells in the arrangement for the Re-Unite version from 2004?
Yes, starting around the 8:00 mark: https://youtu.be/eYoeZ3U67Mg
A little weird given that this show was in March.
We’re gonna highlight the Carol of the Bells, but not the fact that this includes part of One Last Time shortly before?
Yeah, it's not OLT.We’re gonna highlight the Carol of the Bells, but not the fact that this includes part of One Last Time shortly before?
Meh...I don't think it's OLT, although the chord progression on one pass sounds similar.
Just got the Images and Words Demos. And the content is the Live in Berlin cd. What? Anyone else have this issue?
I just received a replacement for the defective Images and Words demos CDs. The replacement is also defective. Has anyone received a good copy?
I just received a replacement for the defective Images and Words demos CDs. The replacement is also defective. Has anyone received a good copy?
No. I bought it from amazon and I just received a third defective copy today. I'm going to return it ask for a refund. I'm not ordering another replacement until they sort this out
We are aware of a manufacturing error that includes the wrong audio files for the Dream Theater album Lost Not Forgotten Archives: Images and Words Demos (1989-1991). We are working on correcting this issue and want to be sure anyone who has purchased the CD in the United States receives a new copy with the proper album. Please email (dreamtheaterlnfa@gmail.com) with your name, order confirmation and shipping information and a new copy will be sent to you ASAP.
No. I bought it from amazon and I just received a third defective copy today. I'm going to return it ask for a refund. I'm not ordering another replacement until they sort this out
Not sure if you saw it, but all copies of the album from the initial pressing are defective. Dream Theater's social media accounts sent out a letter a couple weeks ago saying they were aware of it and were asking people for information to receive properly pressed discs directly from them. I'm pretty sure it was mentioned further up thread.We are aware of a manufacturing error that includes the wrong audio files for the Dream Theater album Lost Not Forgotten Archives: Images and Words Demos (1989-1991). We are working on correcting this issue and want to be sure anyone who has purchased the CD in the United States receives a new copy with the proper album. Please email (dreamtheaterlnfa@gmail.com) with your name, order confirmation and shipping information and a new copy will be sent to you ASAP.
-Marc.
I've a question about the original Ytse Jam bootlegs. A couple of years ago I bought the SFAM bootleg on eBay and I've always had the doubt whether it was a counterfeit or not.Mmm... I think it's too light too... Check this Discogs photo:
(https://i.imgupx.com/yOpVFjwx/large/IMG_20221009_205532.jpg) (https://imgupx.com/bTutknCG)
I think that the green colour is too light but I don't know if it's because it's s repress or a counterfeit.
Maybe somebody could help me :angel:
You should also be able to tell by the Matrix/Runout codes. What does the CD say?
You should also be able to tell by the Matrix/Runout codes. What does the CD say?
The what?
https://www.discogs.com/release/14526523-Dream-Theater-Official-Bootleg-The-Making-Of-Scenes-From-A-Memory
The next two archival DT releases are: Old Bridge, New Jersey (1996) on November 11th and Live at Wacken (2015) on December 9th.
Max posted in this thread (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57046.msg2926854#new) about December's LNFA release:The next two archival DT releases are: Old Bridge, New Jersey (1996) on November 11th and Live at Wacken (2015) on December 9th.
Looks like the show is uploaded onto YouTube after a Google search. Here's the setlist if anyone is curious:
False Awakening Suite (Intro Tape)
Afterlife
Metropolis Pt. 1: The Miracle and the Sleeper
Burning My Soul
The Spirit Carries On
As I Am
Panic Attack
Constant Motion
Bridges In The Sky
Behind The Veil
It'll be roughly 71 minutes if this YouTube video (https://youtu.be/B0fPY9PPB2E) is anything to go by.
Happy to see another "new" release not originally a Ytse Jam Records album!
-Marc.
Glad to see a show from the "30th anniversary tour" released:
My only "complain" is that it's a short set. I wish it were something like this:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2015/spodek-katowice-poland-33c95cc5.html
Oh crap, Wacken. They really thought putting that out was a good idea?I have a feeling they'll probably do some post-production for JL's vocals, whether re-recording them or fly them in from another (better) performance on the same tour. I doubt JL would agree to release that recording as is even though it's already in circulation.
Glad to see a show from the "30th anniversary tour" released:
My only "complain" is that it's a short set. I wish it were something like this:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2015/spodek-katowice-poland-33c95cc5.html
Why Behind The Veil doesn't appear in the tracklist of the vinyl and CDs???
https://centurymedia.store/product/Y4CE701COMBO/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-live-at-wacken-2015-3cd-digipack-digital-download?cp=102832_103046_104294
Also, there's again this 3CDs mistake...
Also, why 2 CDs? The complete Wacken show fits in one CD:
https://youtu.be/B0fPY9PPB2E
Amazon has it listed as 1 CD. The fact that they're apparently cutting Behind the Veil (presumably they couldn't fit it on the vinyl?) is frustrating, especially since it's a song that hasn't been released live before. Why release a full show minus one song at all? *looks at the Live at Budokan 2017 releases*
Amazon has it listed as 1 CD. The fact that they're apparently cutting Behind the Veil (presumably they couldn't fit it on the vinyl?) is frustrating, especially since it's a song that hasn't been released live before. Why release a full show minus one song at all? *looks at the Live at Budokan 2017 releases*
Fuck it then. If it’s missing a song, I’m not getting it.
My gut feeling is that the posted tracklisting is simply missing it. If you watch the broadcast, they go right from BitS to BtV:I am. I don't blame you for not though. Pretty lame of them to not even not go the extra mile, but in realty, just stop short of going one mile at all.Amazon has it listed as 1 CD. The fact that they're apparently cutting Behind the Veil (presumably they couldn't fit it on the vinyl?) is frustrating, especially since it's a song that hasn't been released live before. Why release a full show minus one song at all? *looks at the Live at Budokan 2017 releases*Fuck it then. If it’s missing a song, I’m not getting it.
My gut feeling is that the posted tracklisting is simply missing it. If you watch the broadcast, they go right from BitS to BtV:
https://youtu.be/B0fPY9PPB2E?t=3851
So either they'd have to fade out the end of BitS or edit the ending some other way. And given that BtV hasn't been played much, I can't imagine them not including it. Plus, the whole thing - including BtV - is less than 72 minutes, so it easily will all fit on one CD.
My biggest disappointment is what someone else posted: that they didn't pick one of the shows where the full length set was played, especially given that the Wacken broadcast is widely in circulation already and it's well established that it isn't one of JL's better performances. I get that they may want to keep it to a single CD, but given how cheap manufacturing CDs is these days, they should just go for a full show. Even with vinyl, I'm sure it will still be a double LP, and I'd imagine they could still squeeze a full show onto a double LP set still.
It'll be roughly 71 minutes if this YouTube video (https://youtu.be/B0fPY9PPB2E) is anything to go by.44:44 WTF? :rollin :rollin
-Marc.
But hey, the Made In Japan set that dropped Friday was FIRE. I haven't listened to it in years, and Deep Purple isn't usually my thing, but that set rocked pretty hard.
I don't care about the Wacken show.
But hey, the Made In Japan set that dropped Friday was FIRE. I haven't listened to it in years, and Deep Purple isn't usually my thing, but that set rocked pretty hard.
Maybe we'll get an "Encores" disc with the songs they've cut from these releases.
I'm a huge Deep Purple fan and the album is...fine.
Next release!
Live at Madison Square Garden 2010
https://www.blackvinylrecordsspain.com/products/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-live-at-madison-square-garden-2lps-cd
As I Am
A Rite of Passage
Act II: Scene Six: Home
Constant Motion
Panic Attack
Pull Me Under
Is it just me, or do they need to slow their roll on the ANNOUNCEMENTS. I saw the 2010 release (I'm only getting the ones that weren't Ytejam releases) and thought "wait, I think I missed one..." and I did, the Wacken 2015 one. But that's not released until DECEMBER! I'm old; I can't remember all this shit! :)
Next release!
Live at Madison Square Garden 2010
https://www.blackvinylrecordsspain.com/products/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-live-at-madison-square-garden-2lps-cd
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2010/madison-square-garden-new-york-ny-63d472a3.htmlQuote
As I Am
A Rite of Passage
Act II: Scene Six: Home
Constant Motion
Panic Attack
Pull Me Under
Six songs for a double vinyl? Were there any extended jams in this set?
-Marc.
Next release!
Live at Madison Square Garden 2010
https://www.blackvinylrecordsspain.com/products/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-live-at-madison-square-garden-2lps-cd
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2010/madison-square-garden-new-york-ny-63d472a3.htmlQuote
As I Am
A Rite of Passage
Act II: Scene Six: Home
Constant Motion
Panic Attack
Pull Me Under
Six songs for a double vinyl? Were there any extended jams in this set?
-Marc.
Also, what is the site to review this catalog for folks in the U.S. who just want CDs? When you click through from DT.net, it takes you to a link for a bunch of streaming services, a site that wants me to pay in Euro, and one place where you can buy vinyl/CD combo sets, but I can't find a link for just CDs.Doesn't look like they have it up for pre-sale yet, but I *highly* recommend going with lasercd.com - they are an excellent alternative to Amazon and specialize in all sorts of prog rock/metal and other stuff, on CD, vinyl and special packages. IIRC, they can ship out at media rate to minimize the shipping costs. Never had a problem with them.
Also, what is the site to review this catalog for folks in the U.S. who just want CDs? When you click through from DT.net, it takes you to a link for a bunch of streaming services, a site that wants me to pay in Euro, and one place where you can buy vinyl/CD combo sets, but I can't find a link for just CDs.Doesn't look like they have it up for pre-sale yet, but I *highly* recommend going with lasercd.com - they are an excellent alternative to Amazon and specialize in all sorts of prog rock/metal and other stuff, on CD, vinyl and special packages. IIRC, they can ship out at media rate to minimize the shipping costs. Never had a problem with them.
I've just finished listening to the LNF released on Thursday (Old Bridge, New Jersey 96), last week. It is the same they released back in 2006 as an official bootleg, right? Just checking if I've gone crazy or something...Yes, it's the same.
Definitely would really like to hear one of the full shows from the black clouds tour(especially the recorded summer sonic last show with portnoy) but I’m happy we are at least getting something from the very limited black clouds tour. Most of the performances on that tour were excellent and James sounded fantastic.
Side Note: I’ve been listening to the Old Bridge live show which was just released on streaming services and I got a laugh at the part in the The Mirror where Portnoy screams hypocrite and James just starts cracking up.
Second Side Note: I finished the Old Bridge snow and man, it’s a great show! James sounds great, and the early versions of the Falling into Infinity songs come across great live. If anyone hasn’t heard it, check it out :metal
Definitely would really like to hear one of the full shows from the black clouds tour(especially the recorded summer sonic last show with portnoy) but I’m happy we are at least getting something from the very limited black clouds tour. Most of the performances on that tour were excellent and James sounded fantastic.
Side Note: I’ve been listening to the Old Bridge live show which was just released on streaming services and I got a laugh at the part in the The Mirror where Portnoy screams hypocrite and James just starts cracking up.
Second Side Note: I finished the Old Bridge snow and man, it’s a great show! James sounds great, and the early versions of the Falling into Infinity songs come across great live. If anyone hasn’t heard it, check it out :metal
That really is a great show.
I've just finished listening to the LNF released on Thursday (Old Bridge, New Jersey 96), last week. It is the same they released back in 2006 as an official bootleg, right? Just checking if I've gone crazy or something...Yes, it's the same.
I've just finished listening to the LNF released on Thursday (Old Bridge, New Jersey 96), last week. It is the same they released back in 2006 as an official bootleg, right? Just checking if I've gone crazy or something...Yes, it's the same.
Cool, thanks. May I ask what is LaBrie laughing out so much throughout the show? Portnoy antics?
PortnoyI've just finished listening to the LNF released on Thursday (Old Bridge, New Jersey 96), last week. It is the same they released back in 2006 as an official bootleg, right? Just checking if I've gone crazy or something...Yes, it's the same.
Cool, thanks. May I ask what is LaBrie laughing at so much throughout the show? It’s contagious :lol
I'm sure we'll get all the other titles he intended to release before the split happened. He talked about a Rush covers compilation, making of SDOIT, one of the last shows with Derek in 98 and BC&SL live stuff.
I'm sure we'll get all the other titles he intended to release before the split happened. He talked about a Rush covers compilation, making of SDOIT, one of the last shows with Derek in 98 and BC&SL live stuff.
It would be awesome to have a live release of Where Are You Now? finally.
Mike Portnoy just commented on Inside Out's Facebook post announcing the Madison Square Garden release:
(https://i.imgur.com/JprbGua.jpeg)
"This is the 1st of several upcoming releases that I contributed from my archives "
Sounds really promising! Glad to hear Mike is working with them on this.
Wow, that's great that he is now open to doing this! Looking forward to some more interesting releases!
*Holding out for an official release of the "Canadian Rap" show*
Yeah, that line is in thereWow, that's great that he is now open to doing this! Looking forward to some more interesting releases!
*Holding out for an official release of the "Canadian Rap" show*
“Give it to my…wife!”
*or something like that. I don’t think I’ve heard in 15+ years.
I'm sure we'll get all the other titles he intended to release before the split happened. He talked about a Rush covers compilation, making of SDOIT, one of the last shows with Derek in 98 and BC&SL live stuff.
It would be awesome to have a live release of Where Are You Now? finally.
I’d love to have a compilation of all those b-side tracks done live. Even if that means one of James’ struggling performances of Don’t Look Past Me from 2017
The next batch I was going to work on if things didn't go the way they went was:
--- a compilation of all the Rush Covers (Covers Series)
--- "The Making of SDOIT" (Studio Series)
--- Poughkeepsie, NY '98 (Xmas Unplugged Show - Derek's last show) (Live Series)
and DVD:
--- Several "Pro-shot" BC&SL shows (including Download '09 and the very final show in Tokyo)
I will forever hope for an official live release of the NYC show from the Train of Thought tour. Aside from being my first DT show/first proper concert, the setlist is kind of bonkersYeah, that would be sweet. I have a boot of that somewhere, but an official release would be fantastic.
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2004/the-theater-at-madison-square-garden-new-york-ny-7bd6d234.html
I had posted Mike's original comment here a while back, but I'm reposting it because it's much more relevant now:QuoteThe next batch I was going to work on if things didn't go the way they went was:
--- a compilation of all the Rush Covers (Covers Series)
--- "The Making of SDOIT" (Studio Series)
--- Poughkeepsie, NY '98 (Xmas Unplugged Show - Derek's last show) (Live Series)
and DVD:
--- Several "Pro-shot" BC&SL shows (including Download '09 and the very final show in Tokyo)
Those Christmas '98 shows are awesome. Paul, I wouldn't hold the setlist against them. The shows are really cool.
Those Christmas '98 shows are awesome. Paul, I wouldn't hold the setlist against them. The shows are really cool.
I mean...I'm sure I'd have loved it if I were there, but I have zero interest in hearing them in retrospect (outside of the songs I mentioned).
Mike Portnoy just commented on Inside Out's Facebook post announcing the Madison Square Garden release:
(https://i.imgur.com/JprbGua.jpeg)
"This is the 1st of several upcoming releases that I contributed from my archives "
Sounds really promising! Glad to hear Mike is working with them on this.
I mean...I'm sure I'd have loved it if I were there, but I have zero interest in hearing them in retrospect (outside of the songs I mentioned).
Mike Portnoy just commented on Inside Out's Facebook post announcing the Madison Square Garden release:
(https://i.imgur.com/JprbGua.jpeg)
"This is the 1st of several upcoming releases that I contributed from my archives "
Sounds really promising! Glad to hear Mike is working with them on this.
Sweet. Is this the setlist for that night?
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2010/madison-square-garden-new-york-ny-63d472a3.html
Has anyone received a working copy of the Images and Words Demos CD? If so, where did you order it from?
Has anyone received a working copy of the Images and Words Demos CD? If so, where did you order it from?
the color vinyl from LaserCD came with the correct CDs
Apologies if this has been covered in the earlier pages. Century Media has this listing which is advertised as 2 cds:
https://centurymedia.store/product/Y4CE549COMBO/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-live-in-new-york-1995-digipack-2xcd-digital-download?cp=102832_103046_104294 (https://centurymedia.store/product/Y4CE549COMBO/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-live-in-new-york-1995-digipack-2xcd-digital-download?cp=102832_103046_104294)
But then when you read the description, it mentions "available for the first time on vinyl."
So... Is it just a bad description and I'll in fact get cds? :)
I'm sure we'll get all the other titles he intended to release before the split happened. He talked about a Rush covers compilation, making of SDOIT, one of the last shows with Derek in 98 and BC&SL live stuff.
It would be awesome to have a live release of Where Are You Now? finally.
I’d love to have a compilation of all those b-side tracks done live. Even if that means one of James’ struggling performances of Don’t Look Past Me from 2017
I had posted Mike's original comment here a while back, but I'm reposting it because it's much more relevant now:QuoteThe next batch I was going to work on if things didn't go the way they went was:
--- a compilation of all the Rush Covers (Covers Series)
--- "The Making of SDOIT" (Studio Series)
--- Poughkeepsie, NY '98 (Xmas Unplugged Show - Derek's last show) (Live Series)
and DVD:
--- Several "Pro-shot" BC&SL shows (including Download '09 and the very final show in Tokyo)
That last show with Derek had Speak To Me, Where Are You Now?, Cover My Eyes, and The Way It Used To Be (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/1998/the-chance-poughkeepsie-ny-33d6cc61.html) :tup
That last show with Derek had Speak To Me, Where Are You Now?, Cover My Eyes, and The Way It Used To Be (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/1998/the-chance-poughkeepsie-ny-33d6cc61.html) :tup
Just listened to Live From NYC... I see they didn't restore the JLB comments after ACOS on this version either. Never understood why they removed that from the YJR release.
Comments? I must know!
Distance Over Time demos coming!!!
https://www.levykauppax.fi/artist/dream_theater/lost_not_forgotten_archives_distance_over_time_demos_2018/
That looks VERY interesting!
My pure speculation is that there was no way to fit it onto the vinyl release without adding another record to the package, so they just left it off.
My pure speculation is that there was no way to fit it onto the vinyl release without adding another record to the package, so they just left it off.
That makes sense. But back in the day some cassettes get delivered incomplete if they couldn't fit a song? Maybe leave it off of the vinyl, but why not include it on the CD?
Not asking you, Kev, just thinking out loud.
Why on earth not cut As I Am if that was the case? Who in the hell needs another live version of that? Why cut the one song with no previous live release?I'm with you, Tim. The wrong song got cut here. Spirit or As I Am should have been axed. Or (!!!) maybe release one of the longer concerts from 2015 so another vinyl makes sense and we can get ALL the songs played on that tour.
I find this bullshit and oversight real challenging as a fan.
My pure speculation is that there was no way to fit it onto the vinyl release without adding another record to the package, so they just left it off.
It's been some time since I listened to the Wacken concert, but I think James' voice is quite better in the LNF release as far as I remember...
I am so conflicted about buying this. On one hand, I hate to leave a new live album on the table, but on the other, the needless chopping of the last song really bothers me. I can't spend money on something that would still be incomplete.
Comments? I must know!
Something to the effect of "We just busted our ass up here for 20 minutes.. Let me hear you!!!!"
I am so conflicted about buying this. On one hand, I hate to leave a new live album on the table, but on the other, the needless chopping of the last song really bothers me. I can't spend money on something that would still be incomplete.
Is the main selling product of the Lost Not Forgotten Archives the Vinyls? And the streaming releases are based around what songs are available on the Vinyl?That is my understanding, although I haven't heard anything about this release in particular.
This is one of the only reasons I could think of for why Behind The Veil is not on the streaming sites either.
I don't think people are complaining just because they can. The attention to detail has been handled a bit poorly with some of these releases:
- The one for Made In Japan has been labeled "Live" and not "Cover" as the other ones are, even though they're all live.
- They used Octavarium era images for the WDADR show.
- The misprinting of the IAW demos CDs.
- Cutting BTV from the latest release.
- Cutting ACOS from not one, but two releases of the Budokan show.
Now, don't get me wrong. I love that they're doing this and I've got most of these releases and every month I look forward to the next one, I just wish they sorted or at least acknowledge these issues, like "For those wondering why _______ was cut from this release, we just couldn't make it fit in the vinyl pressing, but don't worry, we'll make sure you get all the missing tracks in a future LNFA release soon!". It's not that hard, keeps their fans "happy" and puts more money in their pockets anyway. Would be a win-win.
Omitting a song, particularly one that (as far as I know) hasn't been issued on a live album previously, seems like a pretty big oversight. Especially when there are songs that have been overrepresented on the live albums. In the era of streaming, there's no real reason to leave things off (and that should be treated as the dominant format IMO). I'm really curious about the rationale behind those decisions.
On a related note, I am also curious about the story behind Portnoy contributing a show for this from his archives. Did DT request that specific show, did Portnoy hand pick it, who reached out to whom?
(https://i.imgur.com/JprbGua.jpeg)
Omitting a song, particularly one that hasn't been issued on a live album previously, seems like a pretty big oversight. Especially when there are songs that have been overrepresented on the live albums. In the era of streaming, there's no real reason to leave things off (and that should be treated as the dominant format IMO). I'm really curious about the rationale behind those decisions.
Hopefully the show from Scotland on the SFAM tour that featured the Canadian Rap.
I'd like to hear SFAM when they played during the ocatavarium tour in South America.
I know we already have two releases of SFAM played live, but I think that the band was at their peak live during this tour
Actually, seeing that they did go back and do SFAM on Octavarium for the South American audience who didn’t get to see it in the initial run, can we PLEASE see them do it in Australia when they finally return?
Good question. In a new interview just posted with JL, they talk about DT's upcoming plans, and while JL does mention Europe, North America and Asia, he doesn't say anything about Oz. But with that being said, at this point, Oz typically gets lumped in with an Asia tour, so maybe he just neglected to mention it specifically - the way he spoke, he sounded like he doesn't pay that much attention to the specifics. Here's where he's talking about it:Actually, seeing that they did go back and do SFAM on Octavarium for the South American audience who didn’t get to see it in the initial run, can we PLEASE see them do it in Australia when they finally return?Oh......you're expecting them to come back here.....
Yo, what’s our January release for LNF? And when?
Yo, what’s our January release for LNF? And when?
It's a concert from the successful Australian 2020 tour. It's just 80 minutes of silence. I heard it's a ripper. Date unknown though.
Yo, what’s our January release for LNF? And when?
It's a concert from the successful Australian 2020 tour. It's just 80 minutes of silence. I heard it's a ripper. Date unknown though.
And they still had to fix James' vocals.
Good question. In a new interview just posted with JL, they talk about DT's upcoming plans, and while JL does mention Europe, North America and Asia, he doesn't say anything about Oz. But with that being said, at this point, Oz typically gets lumped in with an Asia tour, so maybe he just neglected to mention it specifically - the way he spoke, he sounded like he doesn't pay that much attention to the specifics. Here's where he's talking about it:Actually, seeing that they did go back and do SFAM on Octavarium for the South American audience who didn’t get to see it in the initial run, can we PLEASE see them do it in Australia when they finally return?Oh......you're expecting them to come back here.....
https://youtu.be/r68MPMjK9K8?t=1638
:rollin
It's Live at MSG 2010, and it's coming next Friday IIRC :tup
Good question. In a new interview just posted with JL, they talk about DT's upcoming plans, and while JL does mention Europe, North America and Asia, he doesn't say anything about Oz. But with that being said, at this point, Oz typically gets lumped in with an Asia tour, so maybe he just neglected to mention it specifically - the way he spoke, he sounded like he doesn't pay that much attention to the specifics. Here's where he's talking about it:Actually, seeing that they did go back and do SFAM on Octavarium for the South American audience who didn’t get to see it in the initial run, can we PLEASE see them do it in Australia when they finally return?Oh......you're expecting them to come back here.....
https://youtu.be/r68MPMjK9K8?t=1638
Thing is, he mentions it being the keg that was cancelled for COVID. That’s the kind of thing I’m seeing as being a potential go ahead for another Australian tour. We also had contact through a few official channels that the band were still hopeful to work something out to get back here. Couple that with the inattention to detail that you mentioned, I think it’s a strong shot.
They aren’t Metallica that straight declared “not even gonna bother, lol”
Yo, what’s our January release for LNF? And when?
It's a concert from the successful Australian 2020 tour. It's just 80 minutes of silence. I heard it's a ripper. Date unknown though.
And they still had to fix James' vocals.
Yo, what’s our January release for LNF? And when?
It's a concert from the successful Australian 2020 tour. It's just 80 minutes of silence. I heard it's a ripper. Date unknown though.
And they still had to fix James' vocals.
I feel bad I laughed at this.
They aren’t Metallica that straight declared “not even gonna bother, lol”
They said that? :lol
Wow....I wish JLB's vocals were like this on the Distant Memories release.
I am also loving this mix. It's big, dynamic and I can hear the keyboards a lot better. Everything has space.
Do we know what's coming after the MSG bootleg? It's almost here
Do we know what's coming after the MSG bootleg? It's almost here
Distance Over Time Demos
I cannot understand why the Distance Over Time demos would be appealing in the least. Certainly not for purchase. Are the songs radically different? Oooh they're in the order they were written....who cares?
On a positive note, I think Live At Berlin is the best live album released in the Mangini era.
I cannot understand why the Distance Over Time demos would be appealing in the least. Certainly not for purchase. Are the songs radically different? Oooh they're in the order they were written....who cares?
On a positive note, I think Live At Berlin is the best live album released in the Mangini era.
I cannot understand why the Distance Over Time demos would be appealing in the least. Certainly not for purchase. Are the songs radically different? Oooh they're in the order they were written....who cares?
On a positive note, I think Live At Berlin is the best live album released in the Mangini era.
I cannot understand why the Distance Over Time demos would be appealing in the least. Certainly not for purchase. Are the songs radically different? Oooh they're in the order they were written....who cares?
On a positive note, I think Live At Berlin is the best live album released in the Mangini era.
I cannot understand why the Distance Over Time demos would be appealing in the least. Certainly not for purchase. Are the songs radically different? Oooh they're in the order they were written....who cares?
Because it's an amazing album and it will be cool to see if the songs are different, similar, or just more raw. It will be our only look into the Mangini era on that front.
I cannot understand why the Distance Over Time demos would be appealing in the least. Certainly not for purchase. Are the songs radically different? Oooh they're in the order they were written....who cares?
I find myself occasionally in the mood for a demo version of a song, especially if its Lines in the Sand, Burning My Soul or Hollow Years, each which contain extra verses that didn't make the album cut.
I find myself occasionally in the mood for a demo version of a song, especially if its Lines in the Sand, Burning My Soul or Hollow Years, each which contain extra verses that didn't make the album cut.
This is me; if the demo is different, either in structure, arrangement, lyrics, etc., I will sometimes go listen. But if it's just a rougher version, note-for-note, of what we got on the album, I'm usually not interested (except in the rare - and it's very rare for me - case that. I don't like the "sound" of the official version).
Was this really an important show to release, besides the fact that they're playing at MSG? Short, uninteresting set. Did we really need new live versions of As I Am, Panic Attack, Constant Motion, Pull Me Under...
On the bright side we're getting an official live version of A Rite of Passage which is cool but I think a show from this tour where they some of the played more of the BC&SL album like Count and Nightmare would have been a lot better.
This version of Home is very cool.
Was this really an important show to release, besides the fact that they're playing at MSG? Short, uninteresting set. Did we really need new live versions of As I Am, Panic Attack, Constant Motion, Pull Me Under...
On the bright side we're getting an official live version of A Rite of Passage which is cool but I think a show from this tour where they some of the played more of the BC&SL album like Count and Nightmare would have been a lot better.
I was supposed to receive Live at Madison Square Garden (2010) today. Amazon now says it will arrive on February 13. WTF!?
I was supposed to receive Live at Madison Square Garden (2010) today. Amazon now says it will arrive on February 13. WTF!?
I was supposed to receive Live at Madison Square Garden (2010) today. Amazon now says it will arrive on February 13. WTF!?
Mine just got delayed. I suspected I wouldn't get it today when I noticed it hadn't shipped yet, and so I got a "approve that you still want this item" email from them today. I'm in no hurry to get it, so I said sure, but hopefully I get it before February 13th.
-Marc.
Was this really an important show to release, besides the fact that they're playing at MSG? Short, uninteresting set. Did we really need new live versions of As I Am, Panic Attack, Constant Motion, Pull Me Under...
On the bright side we're getting an official live version of A Rite of Passage which is cool but I think a show from this tour where they some of the played more of the BC&SL album like Count and Nightmare would have been a lot better.
When they played that show, the band (maybe just Mike) made comments online about how special it was for them. Growing up in New York, playing MSG was like a dream come true for them. I think the point of this is just how special it was to them personally.
No word out yet about March's release? Hope they don't take another month off :-\https://burningshed.com/dream-theater_the-making-of-falling-into-infinity_cd
No word out yet about March's release? Hope they don't take another month off :-\https://burningshed.com/dream-theater_the-making-of-falling-into-infinity_cd
I know this kind of release has its audience, but I barely listen to those "making of" once... and they have almost zero replay value for me. I prefer much more the live releases and, after that, good quality demos and covers, in this order.
I know this kind of release has its audience, but I barely listen to those "making of" once... and they have almost zero replay value for me. I prefer much more the live releases and, after that, good quality demos and covers, in this order.
Agree. Also, without MP liner notes the Making Of series is almost pointless although I'm not sure if Mike even did notes for the FII release. Can't remember off hand
I know this kind of release has its audience, but I barely listen to those "making of" once... and they have almost zero replay value for me. I prefer much more the live releases and, after that, good quality demos and covers, in this order.
Agree. Also, without MP liner notes the Making Of series is almost pointless although I'm not sure if Mike even did notes for the FII release. Can't remember off hand
For the Making of FII, no. But the Making of Scenes has 6 pages of liner notes on the Official Bootleg. :tup
No, there was an official bootleg version. Catalog number YTSEJAM016
Since they have yet to open up the LNF series to anything other than new releases and Official Bootleg CDs... there's only six left that haven't been re-released after April...
WDADU demos
Making of SFAM
Live in Tokyo 1995
Live in LA 1998
Dark Side of the Moon
Uncovered 2003-2005
After that... only speculating, but they could open it up to Official Bootleg DVDs (I can see this happening), the Lazy Tomato Entertainment series (LTE official boots - doubtful), or Fan Club CDs (somewhere in the middle). Otherwise it's all unreleased stuff. Does that mean it slows down to less than 10-11 a year? How long does this series last? I wouldn't mind if it slowed down a bit, just in terms of my wallet. But I will take as much as they want to give! Been waiting over ten years for these to come back, and it's been a great couple years so far.
Since they have yet to open up the LNF series to anything other than new releases and Official Bootleg CDs... there's only six left that haven't been re-released after April...
WDADU demos
Making of SFAM
Live in Tokyo 1995
Live in LA 1998
Dark Side of the Moon
Uncovered 2003-2005
After that... only speculating, but they could open it up to Official Bootleg DVDs (I can see this happening), the Lazy Tomato Entertainment series (LTE official boots - doubtful), or Fan Club CDs (somewhere in the middle). Otherwise it's all unreleased stuff. Does that mean it slows down to less than 10-11 a year? How long does this series last? I wouldn't mind if it slowed down a bit, just in terms of my wallet. But I will take as much as they want to give! Been waiting over ten years for these to come back, and it's been a great couple years so far.
I am skeptical that DVDs would sell, but then again if you told me they were going to do (almost) monthly CD/vinyl releases of demos and live recordings, I also would've said that probably won't sell so what do I know? I just hope that if they do release video content, they release it in audio format as well. I really like those Santiago and Bucharest shows but would much rather listen to them than break out a DVD player (which I don't even have anymore).
I actually really like the two making of discs. It makes sense that FII doesn't have liner notes since the FII demos album was really in depth. And, actually, I find the audio really speaks for itself. The band is hashing out the songs in the studio, I don't really feel like that much additional commentary is required.
Maybe they can release something from the chaos in motion tour(I remember Mike saying they filmed every show from that tour and there are definitely better James performances than what ended up on the chaos in motion dvd - conspiracy, I suspect the bad performances that ended up were because of bad blood between James and mike and were maybe going to be used as a justification for moving on from him.)
Correct on the bolded. That's the reason why the live video footage for Chaos in Motion is limited to 6 shows and isn't as good as the Budokan or Score shows. Actually, the footage was pro-shot but not commissioned by the band, but MP apparently got it licensed for inclusion after the fact.
Maybe they can release something from the chaos in motion tour(I remember Mike saying they filmed every show from that tour and there are definitely better James performances than what ended up on the chaos in motion dvd - conspiracy, I suspect the bad performances that ended up were because of bad blood between James and mike and were maybe going to be used as a justification for moving on from him.)
I don't think they filmed every show. I do remember hearing they recorded every show. That's one reason why there's a couple different performances on the CDs from that set.
I don't think it was MP having it out for James as much as he was just using what footage he had.
MP: Putting together that set, I had based the song picks on the video footage I had. I looked at what was best represented on video and I picked the Toronto show for Blind Faith and Surrounded. I had my list of all the videos that were being edited for the video and I sent Kevin Shirley the list of what to mix the audio from. And he mixed what we thought was the Toronto show for Blind Faith and Surrounded. We synced it back up to the video, only to find out that it was from a completely different show – somebody sent him the wrong tapes, and we couldn’t find the Toronto audio. So the audio for Toronto was missing and here we were with this mixed audio of Blind Faith and Surrounded, and we had no idea what show it was even from. So even to this day, I have no idea of what show those specific performances are from.Incidentally, a few years back when I was listening to the various shows from that tour, I discovered that the performances of BF and Surrounded '07 on CD are from May 9, 2008 in Calgary, Alberta. :)
SH: Yeah, because I noticed there’s no credit listed for them!
MP: You guys could probably go through the [audience bootleg recordings of the] shows and figure it out, but I have no idea. But we already had the video edited and so it was either cut the songs – which I didn’t want to do for the video – or we just go with the live audio mix for the video and we’ll use these mixes for the CD.
SH: The reason why I was asking was because I was thinking “if you’re picking out different performances for those songs, why didn’t you go ahead and hand pick each song for the CD as opposed to the DVD?”
MP: No – it was a total mystery. The Toronto tapes were missing, Kevin Shirley mixed the show, we lined it up, and I was like “why isn’t this matching?” We were trying to move the video and ultimately found out that it was a completely different show.
So looks like we’re getting an April release but no March release… wonder what the difference is between Falling into Infinity Demos and Making of Falling into Infinity ?The demos are complete songs but not in their final versions. The making of features many different excerpts of each song as they are recording them in the studio, with varying amounts of orchestration (sometimes just a single instrument, sometimes full band, etc.). There's only one complete track, which is an alternate version of TAMP while I think they were trying to rework the arrangement, but IIRC, it doesn't feature a guitar solo or anything like that. Probably the most interesting thing for me was hearing part of YNM in its original key before they tuned it down (probably because it would've been too high for JL to sing vocally, and it was pegged to be a single and therefore probably performed live often until it failed miserably).
Probably not going to happen, but if they re-release the videos as well, I hope they upgrade to Blu-Ray instead of putting out DVDs.
Agreed. And given that they are doing digipaks for all of these, it would be much easier to release a triple CD set than when YJR was releasing them in jewel cases (tho I absolutely hate digipaks). Maybe it will happen, maybe not. I guess time will tell...Probably not going to happen, but if they re-release the videos as well, I hope they upgrade to Blu-Ray instead of putting out DVDs.Not happening. They re-released Budokan on Blu-Ray and then didn't even bother to do Score (though maybe there were some behind the scenes issues with that?), no chance they'll do it with the bootlegs.
Best thing we can hope for is the official audio versions of those DVD only older releases.
Just listened to the MSG show. Mike talked too much during the songs, IMO.
Just listened to the MSG show. Mike talked too much during the songs, IMO.
When he yelled "Hey Jordan!" I expected the show to come to a crashing halt lol. That would have startled the hell out of me if I was performing live.
When he yelled "Hey Jordan!" I expected the show to come to a crashing halt lol. That would have startled the hell out of me if I was performing live.
Betcha $10 Jordan didn't have MP's mike in his monitor mix.
Also, the part where James sings "Is it something to do with where I come from?" and Mike shouts out "I come from Long Island!" or whatever it was... Ugh. He wanted the crowd to eat it up but it was almost puke inducing.
I still love Mike.
I was thinking about that. Unless Portnoy gave stage directions (doubt it), I don’t really see why JR would need backing vocals in his monitor mix.
When he yelled "Hey Jordan!" I expected the show to come to a crashing halt lol. That would have startled the hell out of me if I was performing live.
Betcha $10 Jordan didn't have MP's mike in his monitor mix.
I wonder if they will ever play MSG again?
Metallica, maybe?That would be the only one.
I think you guys are sort of over-estimating the selectivity of some of these pairings. Now, granted, maybe the band wouldn't want to go on next to certain acts, but the headliner need not be the exact genre or level of skill (whatever that is) as DT.what a pun :D
EDIT: Amazon says delivery by March 5th; apparently my order was lost but not forgotten. ;)
Metallica, maybe?That would be the only one.
I think you guys are sort of over-estimating the selectivity of some of these pairings. Now, granted, maybe the band wouldn't want to go on next to certain acts, but the headliner need not be the exact genre or level of skill (whatever that is) as DT.
Muse is one that plays arenas and uses openers, and I think DT could craft a short song and ballad kind of setlist that would play well.
Muse is one that plays arenas and uses openers, and I think DT could craft a short song and ballad kind of setlist that would play well.
Time to play Never Enough again :P
DT's catalogue is diverse enough that I bet they could craft a setlist that would be complimentary to just about any band.
I would love to see how heavy that set would be if they ever did open for Metallica.
Fall into the Light would be fantastic in that set!
I'd love to see The Enemy Inside back in the set. Very underrated single from DT IMO.
I wonder how Honor Thy Father would go over with the Metallica fan base? :)
I wonder how Honor Thy Father would go over with the Metallica fan base? :)
Possibly better than Portnoy.
DT's catalogue is diverse enough that I bet they could craft a setlist that would be complimentary to just about any band.
I would love to see how heavy that set would be if they ever did open for Metallica.
Fall into the Light would be fantastic in that set!
i would assume Pull Me Under would be played as it’s the song with the highest chance of being known by the average Metallica fan. As I Am would HAVE to be the opener. I think something like this would work well.
As I Am
Constant Motion
Fall Into the Light
Panic Attack
The Dance of Eternity
The Enemy Inside
Pull Me Under
Awaken the Master
It’s about an hour, and its heavy enough to satisfy the average Metallica fan while being progressive enough to give the fans a taste of what the band is really about.
I would love to see how heavy that set would be if they ever did open for Metallica.Probably similar to that Grasspop Festival set they did. Anybody remember that?
I would love to see how heavy that set would be if they ever did open for Metallica.Probably similar to that Grasspop Festival set they did. Anybody remember that?
It was some time ago, Portnoy was still in the band. If memory serves, that was (for DT) a brutal setlist, all their heaviest shit at the time. I have a boot of it somewhere, but I can't put my hands on it right now.
I would love to see how heavy that set would be if they ever did open for Metallica.Probably similar to that Grasspop Festival set they did. Anybody remember that?
It was some time ago, Portnoy was still in the band. If memory serves, that was (for DT) a brutal setlist, all their heaviest shit at the time. I have a boot of it somewhere, but I can't put my hands on it right now.
The Graspop Festival (2002 IIRC) DTIFC CD was amazing. I still play it from time to time.
I would love to see how heavy that set would be if they ever did open for Metallica.Probably similar to that Grasspop Festival set they did. Anybody remember that?
It was some time ago, Portnoy was still in the band. If memory serves, that was (for DT) a brutal setlist, all their heaviest shit at the time. I have a boot of it somewhere, but I can't put my hands on it right now.
I also have this one. This is actually the first time I ever heard Master of Puppets!
It's been a few years since I spun this one, but I believe Home had an abridged intro that I remember digging.
:metalI would love to see how heavy that set would be if they ever did open for Metallica.Probably similar to that Grasspop Festival set they did. Anybody remember that?
It was some time ago, Portnoy was still in the band. If memory serves, that was (for DT) a brutal setlist, all their heaviest shit at the time. I have a boot of it somewhere, but I can't put my hands on it right now.
The Graspop Festival (2002 IIRC) DTIFC CD was amazing. I still play it from time to time.
That would be this set then:
The Glass Prison
The Mirror
Lie
Peruvian Skies
War Inside My Head
The Test That Stumped Them All
The Great Debate
Act II: Scene Six: Home
Pull Me Under
Master of Puppets (Metallica cover) (second half; followed by " Pull Me Under" reprise)
actually looks like they've done a few Graspop festivals, all with pretty cool heavy sets
Back around 2005 once I started getting deep into DT, I hunted down the DTIFC discs off eBay and other places, and the Graspop disc was one of the first I got. Great setlist and definitely a precursor for the band wanting to do a more heavy metal album (Train Of Thought). I'm sure them doing Graspop had some influence in wanting to produce an album that was much heavier than anything they had done before, and that set list is a great companion to TOT if you love the heavy side of DT.
-Marc.
That was pretty interesting, thanks for the link. I agree with MP that it would’ve been nice to have liner notes, the way things are released digitally now makes it logistically tough but I’m curious what JP said to Portnoy when he asked as that has been a head scratcher to me as well. Feels like some of these are quickly slapped together without much thought. It’s awesome that Portnoy has some involvement now.
Anyone know what mistakes he’s referring to? Sounds like some errors in the Mangini era releases.
https://blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-confirms-he-is-slightly-involved-in-dream-theaters-recently-launched-lost-not-forgotten-archives
https://blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-confirms-he-is-slightly-involved-in-dream-theaters-recently-launched-lost-not-forgotten-archives
https://blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-confirms-he-is-slightly-involved-in-dream-theaters-recently-launched-lost-not-forgotten-archives
They are horrible. That was clickbait. I don't think Mike said ANYTHING controversial. It's a stone cold fact that there is little if any liner notes on the new releases, and some of the older Ytsejam releases had upwards of four or five pages of liner notes. That's not controversial.
And I think we should be celebrating that Mike is working with the DT guys, even if it's not on new music. Who thought that would ever happen again?
https://blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-confirms-he-is-slightly-involved-in-dream-theaters-recently-launched-lost-not-forgotten-archives
They are horrible. That was clickbait. I don't think Mike said ANYTHING controversial.
https://blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-confirms-he-is-slightly-involved-in-dream-theaters-recently-launched-lost-not-forgotten-archives
They are horrible. That was clickbait. I don't think Mike said ANYTHING controversial.
How was that clickbait? It was a completely accurate headline. When you read the article it provided full context. It does not imply Mike's an asshole or anything. It literally quoted him verbatim and provided the background for why this is interesting.
The best way to handle some of this I think would be to make the albums available on bandcamp - they can post whatever they want in the album credits section and include a PDF with liner notes in the digital download. I assume a few years back when they posted some stuff on there it was a test run for something like this and they decided for whatever reason it wasn't going to work for them.
https://blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-confirms-he-is-slightly-involved-in-dream-theaters-recently-launched-lost-not-forgotten-archives
https://blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-confirms-he-is-slightly-involved-in-dream-theaters-recently-launched-lost-not-forgotten-archives
They are horrible. That was clickbait. I don't think Mike said ANYTHING controversial.
How was that clickbait? It was a completely accurate headline. When you read the article it provided full context. It does not imply Mike's an asshole or anything. It literally quoted him verbatim and provided the background for why this is interesting.
I'm hoping for the Awake in Japan show to appear here someday. Also, Jordan's first show at Foundations Forum.
I'm hoping for the Awake in Japan show to appear here someday. Also, Jordan's first show at Foundations Forum.
These are both out there in pretty decent quality, no?
Just listened to the MSG show. Mike talked too much during the songs, IMO.
I'm just laughing they actually left them in there. Well, at least we know they're not cutting out anything with these recordings. :lol
Is there any doubt? Of course there are. You might be amazed at how much stuff (including soundboards and broadcasts) are already in circulation. You just have to do a little digging.I've seen the youtube videos for the Japan show and they're good but I'd love to have them in full audio quality. Haven't seen anything from the Foundations show, but I'm not a bootleg collector or anything close, only the official live albums, YJR/LNF titles and the occasional fan club release. Maybe there are soundboard recordings out there? :eekI'm hoping for the Awake in Japan show to appear here someday. Also, Jordan's first show at Foundations Forum.These are both out there in pretty decent quality, no?
Is there any doubt? Of course there are. You might be amazed at how much stuff (including soundboards and broadcasts) are already in circulation. You just have to do a little digging.I've seen the youtube videos for the Japan show and they're good but I'd love to have them in full audio quality. Haven't seen anything from the Foundations show, but I'm not a bootleg collector or anything close, only the official live albums, YJR/LNF titles and the occasional fan club release. Maybe there are soundboard recordings out there? :eekI'm hoping for the Awake in Japan show to appear here someday. Also, Jordan's first show at Foundations Forum.These are both out there in pretty decent quality, no?
And for that reason, I would rather they choose to release other shows instead of those specific ones. Of course, they ended up releasing the 2015 Wacken show despite it already being widely in circulation (and video!), so it's quite possible they still could. But given that any new MP-era releases will be channeled through MP, I expect he'll have the foresight to select shows that aren't in circulation.
I just have no clue where to get stuff like that :-\
Though I'm much more interested in just getting the best live version of each song for each DT lineup so far. I'm working on making playlists for all of them, including as many tracks as I can :tup
I just have no clue where to get stuff like that :-\
Though I'm much more interested in just getting the best live version of each song for each DT lineup so far. I'm working on making playlists for all of them, including as many tracks as I can :tup
Oh. That's fun. I'll be doing that now. :tup
Edit: Do you have To Live Forever and Metropolis 2004 with Charlie in their own playlist? :laugh:
On the one hand, Portnoy griping about the liner notes is probably a reminder to the band of why he is good to keep at arms length now. Give him an inch (letting him being semi-involved with the bootlegs) and he is already complaining a little about what they aren't doing that he used to do.
On other other hand, it's indicative of how no current member has his attention to detail when it comes to stuff like that, as I feel that releasing this stuff without the liner notes and whatnot seems...lazy. For as grating as Portnoy's personality is in general, I agree with his overall point.
I just have no clue where to get stuff like that :-\It doesn't take much effort. Just do a search for dimeadozen and/or Guitars 101 to get started. ;)
On the one hand, Portnoy griping about the liner notes is probably a reminder to the band of why he is good to keep at arms length now. Give him an inch (letting him being semi-involved with the bootlegs) and he is already complaining a little about what they aren't doing that he used to do.In all fairness, he's really just expressing how he feels about the lack of his notes and artwork. I guess you could call that complaining, but it hardly is in my book.
I've been wondering if the "cheapness" of these LNFA releases has to do with Inside Out not wanting to produce overly lavish packages for these albums. Not printing booklets or multi-panel digipaks cuts down on production costs.Does it really though? I haven't priced things out, but I would tend to think it would cost much more to produce digipaks (which I hate!) instead of a simple 4/8 page booklet and tray card, and putting them in a jewel case. The heavier card stock used for printing the "cover" of digipaks would be a big cost, plus having to glue the tray after printing and folding would (I imagine) cost more than printing a booklet and tray card on normal paper, folding, stitching (if 8 pages) and inserting into jewel cases.
I also wonder if the band were afraid to use Mike's liner notes for the YJR albums because they would feel compelled to compensate him for his words and using them on new releases? I'm not sure if relations between JP/the band and Mike were as good as they are now (post-Terminal Velocity) when they started to get the ball rolling on the LNFA albums.I've wondered about why those liner notes were missing too, and while I've never asked (and therefore never gotten an answer from the band), I imagine it has to do with the fact that MP is no longer in the band and in their opinions, it would've looked weird having their former drummer writing those notes. It would also obligate them to write liner notes for at least some of the newer releases, too. So by not including any liner notes, they sidestep that whole issue, even if it leaves questions for those not in the know.
On the one hand, Portnoy griping about the liner notes is probably a reminder to the band of why he is good to keep at arms length now. Give him an inch (letting him being semi-involved with the bootlegs) and he is already complaining a little about what they aren't doing that he used to do.
On other other hand, it's indicative of how no current member has his attention to detail when it comes to stuff like that, as I feel that releasing this stuff without the liner notes and whatnot seems...lazy. For as grating as Portnoy's personality is in general, I agree with his overall point.
On the one hand, Portnoy griping about the liner notes is probably a reminder to the band of why he is good to keep at arms length now. Give him an inch (letting him being semi-involved with the bootlegs) and he is already complaining a little about what they aren't doing that he used to do.
On other other hand, it's indicative of how no current member has his attention to detail when it comes to stuff like that, as I feel that releasing this stuff without the liner notes and whatnot seems...lazy. For as grating as Portnoy's personality is in general, I agree with his overall point.
I think MP saying something about the liner notes is important. Very important. HE was the quality control in the band. And to be frank, the QC has sucked since he has left. It doesn't really impact anything music-wise. But as someone who appreciates correct logos and basically the right information and care being given to things, I always applaud MP on that stuff.
The only reason I just bought the MSG show is because MP handled it. I have the other MP-era official bootlegs from Ytsejam. I did not purchase any of this Lost Not Forgotten series until MP said he was finally involved. And he should be.
However this band is going to go in the future, MP is one of the core reasons why DT has had success. He's also the band's historian. I'm really glad he's involved in this. Maybe one day, he can reunite with the band on stage, as a guest, or if Mangini decides to stop, as a member. But having MP involved, and fences being mended, to this old school fan, means a lot.
On the one hand, Portnoy griping about the liner notes is probably a reminder to the band of why he is good to keep at arms length now. Give him an inch (letting him being semi-involved with the bootlegs) and he is already complaining a little about what they aren't doing that he used to do.
On other other hand, it's indicative of how no current member has his attention to detail when it comes to stuff like that, as I feel that releasing this stuff without the liner notes and whatnot seems...lazy. For as grating as Portnoy's personality is in general, I agree with his overall point.
I agree. But most bands of their stature and legacy just hire some type of archivist to handle things like that. You don’t need an ex-band member for that. Hell even paying some people on here (SetlistScotty) would do that.
Now, I realize Mike has access to everything band related while he was in DT, and that’s great to have him involved to supply that stuff. But like he said in that interview, having him go over the credits and photos. You can have staff for that. His liner notes add a personal touch, but all of that info could be handled without him. JP, JM and JLB (1991- )were in the studio too.
https://blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-confirms-he-is-slightly-involved-in-dream-theaters-recently-launched-lost-not-forgotten-archives
https://blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-confirms-he-is-slightly-involved-in-dream-theaters-recently-launched-lost-not-forgotten-archives
They are horrible. That was clickbait. I don't think Mike said ANYTHING controversial. It's a stone cold fact that there is little if any liner notes on the new releases, and some of the older Ytsejam releases had upwards of four or five pages of liner notes. That's not controversial.
And I think we should be celebrating that Mike is working with the DT guys, even if it's not on new music. Who thought that would ever happen again?
To comment on the mike portnoy observations about the releases, I do miss the notes/artwork that came in the original cds. It was very cool and added a lot to the releases. That being said, I’m very grateful the band is rereleasing these at all and they are readily available on streaming services to the wide audience of fans that have never heard them before. The one thing I do hope they rerelease is the 2002 Bucharest show - one of my favorite shows with one of the best DT setlists :metal
I've been wondering if the "cheapness" of these LNFA releases has to do with Inside Out not wanting to produce overly lavish packages for these albums. Not printing booklets or multi-panel digipaks cuts down on production costs.
I also wonder if the band were afraid to use Mike's liner notes for the YJR albums because they would feel compelled to compensate him for his words and using them on new releases? I'm not sure if relations between JP/the band and Mike were as good as they are now (post-Terminal Velocity) when they started to get the ball rolling on the LNFA albums.
-Marc.
On the one hand, Portnoy griping about the liner notes is probably a reminder to the band of why he is good to keep at arms length now. Give him an inch (letting him being semi-involved with the bootlegs) and he is already complaining a little about what they aren't doing that he used to do.
On other other hand, it's indicative of how no current member has his attention to detail when it comes to stuff like that, as I feel that releasing this stuff without the liner notes and whatnot seems...lazy. For as grating as Portnoy's personality is in general, I agree with his overall point.
I agree. But most bands of their stature and legacy just hire some type of archivist to handle things like that. You don’t need an ex-band member for that. Hell even paying some people on here (SetlistScotty) would do that.
Now, I realize Mike has access to everything band related while he was in DT, and that’s great to have him involved to supply that stuff. But like he said in that interview, having him go over the credits and photos. You can have staff for that. His liner notes add a personal touch, but all of that info could be handled without him. JP, JM and JLB (1991- )were in the studio too.
On the one hand, Portnoy griping about the liner notes is probably a reminder to the band of why he is good to keep at arms length now. Give him an inch (letting him being semi-involved with the bootlegs) and he is already complaining a little about what they aren't doing that he used to do.
On other other hand, it's indicative of how no current member has his attention to detail when it comes to stuff like that, as I feel that releasing this stuff without the liner notes and whatnot seems...lazy. For as grating as Portnoy's personality is in general, I agree with his overall point.
I think MP saying something about the liner notes is important. Very important. HE was the quality control in the band. And to be frank, the QC has sucked since he has left. It doesn't really impact anything music-wise. But as someone who appreciates correct logos and basically the right information and care being given to things, I always applaud MP on that stuff.
The only reason I just bought the MSG show is because MP handled it. I have the other MP-era official bootlegs from Ytsejam. I did not purchase any of this Lost Not Forgotten series until MP said he was finally involved. And he should be.
However this band is going to go in the future, MP is one of the core reasons why DT has had success. He's also the band's historian. I'm really glad he's involved in this. Maybe one day, he can reunite with the band on stage, as a guest, or if Mangini decides to stop, as a member. But having MP involved, and fences being mended, to this old school fan, means a lot.
To comment on the mike portnoy observations about the releases, I do miss the notes/artwork that came in the original cds. It was very cool and added a lot to the releases. That being said, I’m very grateful the band is rereleasing these at all and they are readily available on streaming services to the wide audience of fans that have never heard them before. The one thing I do hope they rerelease is the 2002 Bucharest show - one of my favorite shows with one of the best DT setlists :metal
Kind of going off topic but....
Larger point is I'm not sure streaming services really care about the correct information or context so having the right information may not matter. How can you be even be sure which version of a song you're hearing on these platforms? Band name and song seems to be the thing that seems to matter and sometimes that's not even correct.
To comment on the mike portnoy observations about the releases, I do miss the notes/artwork that came in the original cds. It was very cool and added a lot to the releases. That being said, I’m very grateful the band is rereleasing these at all and they are readily available on streaming services to the wide audience of fans that have never heard them before. The one thing I do hope they rerelease is the 2002 Bucharest show - one of my favorite shows with one of the best DT setlists :metal
I don't get the impression that Portnoy "complained" about the liner notes. He expressed his emotions and thoughts on the issue with diplomacy and respect to his friends and former bandmates. It was handled in a fine way and didn't come across as moaning. To me, at least.
Does it really though? I haven't priced things out, but I would tend to think it would cost much more to produce digipaks (which I hate!) instead of a simple 4/8 page booklet and tray card, and putting them in a jewel case. The heavier card stock used for printing the "cover" of digipaks would be a big cost, plus having to glue the tray after printing and folding would (I imagine) cost more than printing a booklet and tray card on normal paper, folding, stitching (if 8 pages) and inserting into jewel cases.
That's the first I've heard of a CD resurgence.
re: Nobody buys CDs...
Correct, but there's an upsurge starting to happen. Goes in waves. Vinyl got a nice comeback, frankly, due to old fogeys now having money to burn and feeling nostalgic, and young people who don't know any better thinking it's cool to have a turntable and vinyl.
But...CDs, as the most economical physical media, which are way more reliable than vinyl or cassette, seem to be coming back in style. And I'm happy for that. I LOVE vinyl. But the cost is nuts for new vinyl today. And CDs are a way to get great sound, artwork, and a physical product. Looking forward to the pending resurgence. No hard proof here either, but I just get the sense from what I am seeing sold and talking to people. It's coming.
There is much less plastic used in digipacks so I think they are cheaper in production, but that's just my guess, I don't have any hard proof either.
As someone who was involved with the fan clubs and some of the CDs (I was the one who came up with the title "Taste the Memories" for the 2002 CD), I can tell you for a fact that the reason no jewel case was supplied was to minimize shipping costs more than anything else, although cutting out the cost of jewel cases did help. Just remember that it's not *that* expensive to purchase jewel cases in bulk - especially back then. The higher shipping costs and packaging required for shipping were more costly.Does it really though? I haven't priced things out, but I would tend to think it would cost much more to produce digipaks (which I hate!) instead of a simple 4/8 page booklet and tray card, and putting them in a jewel case. The heavier card stock used for printing the "cover" of digipaks would be a big cost, plus having to glue the tray after printing and folding would (I imagine) cost more than printing a booklet and tray card on normal paper, folding, stitching (if 8 pages) and inserting into jewel cases.I don't have any hard figures, but I can't imagine anyone choosing those crappy digipaks if jewel cases were cheaper. I remember the fan club cd's coming with booklets and tray inlays, but omitting the actual jewel case. Which tells me that the jewel cases were a greater expense, either because of the material cost, added shipping cost, or both.
There is much less plastic used in digipacks so I think they are cheaper in production, but that's just my guess, I don't have any hard proof either.There may be less plastic, but purchased in bulk, I don't think the expense for digipak trays is that much less. OTOH, don't forget that much heavier card-stock type paper has to be used for digipaks *and* the trays need to be glued as opposed to inserted, which I imagine is a greater expense.
I'm sure a lot of companies are trying to phase out jewel cases because digipaks are more environmentally friendly.They may claim they are more environmentally friendly, but I seriously question that. Broken jewel case? Toss the case (or just even part of it) in the recycling bin and get a new one. Broken or damaged digipak? You're either stuck or you have to buy a new copy (which you can be sure record companies would be more than happy to have happen). And if you toss the digipak packaging, you can't really put it in the recycling since the paper and plastic are glued together.
I personally prefer mediabooks with their hardcover style front and back and the glued-in booklet in the middle. If they arrive in pristine condition, they're so beautiful to look at and feel very premium, and generally still fit on most CD shelves.Fully agree with you there Marc. :tup
That's the first I've heard of a CD resurgence.https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/14/22976557/cd-sales-increase-2021-recording-industry-association-of-america
That's the first I've heard of a CD resurgence.https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/14/22976557/cd-sales-increase-2021-recording-industry-association-of-america
Make of that what you will...
Plus there’s the sense that more of your money is going directly to an artist, rather than the pennies offered per play by streaming corporations.
Still thinking about how great it would be (to me) if they released Mangini's entire audition through the LNFA. You have 3 song performances, one riff oriented jam (what ended up being used for the audition DVD intro menu) and the full version of the open jam Take This for the Pain.
I got my copy of MSG over the weekend. I'm loving it. Other than Mike's mic sometimes being out of balance with the rest of the band (a soundboard problem) I've got little to complain about. The band is on fire, the music is energetic, and James sounds great.It's a great performance and great recording, no doubt. I just wish I liked the setlist more.
Just had a listen through to the DoT demos. Good fun!
They are instrumental demos if anyone was wondering, not sure why they weren't titled as such (as the ToT ones were).
Any noticeable changes or different sections that got left off?
You know, listening to these Demos makes me kind of wish that the band would just record an album with no additional tracks. These demos sound more huge because of how prominent the keyboards and the bass are in the mix. Paralyzed sounds even more heavier here due to this. But, man, having JR's keys this high in the mix makes a huge difference in how these songs sound.
After listening to it, one of the biggest differences I noticed is JR's parts. I noticed that there's sections where he also incorporates a melody that later becomes the vocal melody, while he plays a more atmospheric sound instead on the actual album.
Out of Reach sounds amazing here. It's almost like a FII type of situation with regards to tone and atmosphere, like how Anna Lee has a different tone and atmosphere as a demo than it does on the actual album.
It feels like they have five different people in charge of naming these releases and none of them talk to each other. :lol
It was a fun listen, but I can't imagine listening very often.
Do we know what the next release is going to be? Apologies if I missed it.
Do we know what the next release is going to be? Apologies if I missed it.
Making of FII, coming in April. https://dream-theater.lnk.to/LNFA-TheMakingOfFalling-Into-Infinity-1997
Do we know what the next release is going to be? Apologies if I missed it.
Making of FII, coming in April. https://dream-theater.lnk.to/LNFA-TheMakingOfFalling-Into-Infinity-1997 (https://dream-theater.lnk.to/LNFA-TheMakingOfFalling-Into-Infinity-1997)
One of my least favorites. If you think the demo series doesn't have very much relistenability, you're in for a one and done listen.
The SFaM making of was better with the liner notes and also really hearing a progression of some songs mixed in with some killer vocal demos by Petrucci.
This one has a few interesting moments and that's it.
Wonder what's after that one
All the rest have been one and dones. I don't expect anything different on this one.Do we know what the next release is going to be? Apologies if I missed it.
Making of FII, coming in April. https://dream-theater.lnk.to/LNFA-TheMakingOfFalling-Into-Infinity-1997
One of my least favorites. If you think the demo series doesn't have very much relistenability, you're in for a one and done listen.
The Making Of FII is kind of lame; I have two versions of that already. The Director's Cut of FII, on the other hand, is essential listening, IMO.
The Making Of FII is kind of lame; I have two versions of that already. The Director's Cut of FII, on the other hand, is essential listening, IMO.
Is that a real thing or something you cobbled together from the actual album, the demos and COTC?
I think the making of SFAM is fantastic and a lot of fun. RIP Bongo.
I wonder if The Making of Scenes and the Scenes Original Mixes will be split up as two separate releases this time around.
I’m pretty much only in this to hear extended AWE jamming. I’m assuming it’s probably a bit longer and doesn’t do a fade out just to fade back in.
I would be interested in hearing a "Making Of" of The Astonishing. And also include an instrumental version of the album. That's a lot, but I also wouldn't mind if they released an Instrumental Demo of The Astonishing through this label.
I would be interested in hearing a "Making Of" of The Astonishing. And also include an instrumental version of the album. That's a lot, but I also wouldn't mind if they released an Instrumental Demo of The Astonishing through this label.
The Astonishing novel came with stems featuring 6 demos and rough drafts of Gift of Music and 4 completely unused song ideas. Interesting to check out, especially to see if the unused ideas will ever end up in an official track down the road.
So the Making of FIi is an April release and there's nothing announced yet for May. I wonder if it'll be a new Portnoy curated release.
If they do release the Making of SFAM with the alternate mix and the mastering is improved, I may double dip. Anybody with the originals feel the sound lacked (not just the mix)?
So the Making of FIi is an April release and there's nothing announced yet for May. I wonder if it'll be a new Portnoy curated release.
If they do release the Making of SFAM with the alternate mix and the mastering is improved, I may double dip. Anybody with the originals feel the sound lacked (not just the mix)?
I think the making of SFAM is awesome, and it never really occurred to me to fuss over the sound quality of JP doing (hilariously) crappy vocals on TSCO while being accompanied by Bongo the dog.
So the Making of FIi is an April release and there's nothing announced yet for May. I wonder if it'll be a new Portnoy curated release.
So the Making of FIi is an April release and there's nothing announced yet for May. I wonder if it'll be a new Portnoy curated release.
If they do release the Making of SFAM with the alternate mix and the mastering is improved, I may double dip. Anybody with the originals feel the sound lacked (not just the mix)?
So the Making of FIi is an April release and there's nothing announced yet for May. I wonder if it'll be a new Portnoy curated release.
If they do release the Making of SFAM with the alternate mix and the mastering is improved, I may double dip. Anybody with the originals feel the sound lacked (not just the mix)?
I mean this in the nicest way, simply as a counterpoint, but honestly I never had any issues with the sound of the Ytsejam releases. They aren't big production, big label releases, and for me they sound just fine.
So the Making of FIi is an April release and there's nothing announced yet for May. I wonder if it'll be a new Portnoy curated release.
If they do release the Making of SFAM with the alternate mix and the mastering is improved, I may double dip. Anybody with the originals feel the sound lacked (not just the mix)?
I mean this in the nicest way, simply as a counterpoint, but honestly I never had any issues with the sound of the Ytsejam releases. They aren't big production, big label releases, and for me they sound just fine.
But the SFAM alternate Mixes were supposed to be the big production, big label release. That's the only one I'm talking about. The rest are fine for what they are
Really digging the Distance Over Time Demos. Mangini hasn't ever sounded so good (in Dream Theater anyway). Love that organic sound. The first part of "Out Of Reach" is just gorgeous.That's true. He sounds great.
Gave MSG 2010 a few good listens to day and jeez Mike, is it really necessary to yell "FUCK YEAH NEW YORK CITY" every 5 minutes? I get that it was their first time ever playing at the actual MSG but it seems like he got a little overexcited. Also what happens at 2:37 in Constant Motion where he yells something to Jordan? It sounds almost like MP was scolding him.
I didn't find it that distracting. I think he did it maybe four times? And I think he explained why at the end: three kids formed a band 25 years ago with that as the dream, and they achieved it. More power to them.
My FII demos vinyl finally arrived today after ordering in April of 2022.
They really need to get up to speed with distribution.
Still no news about May's release? :-[
Still no news about May's release? :-[
https://www.lasercd.com/search_results?fulltext=Lost%20not%20forgotten&sort_by=sell_price&sort_order=DESC
Seems to be When Dream and Day Unite Demos :coolio
Still no news about May's release? :-[
https://www.lasercd.com/search_results?fulltext=Lost%20not%20forgotten&sort_by=sell_price&sort_order=DESC (https://www.lasercd.com/search_results?fulltext=Lost%20not%20forgotten&sort_by=sell_price&sort_order=DESC)
Seems to be When Dream and Day Unite Demos :coolio
Nice! My original had a mastering error and a few tracks have this weird static. My LTE official bootlegs have something similar. This is the only one I'm double dipping on.
Still no news about May's release? :-[
https://www.lasercd.com/search_results?fulltext=Lost%20not%20forgotten&sort_by=sell_price&sort_order=DESC
Seems to be When Dream and Day Unite Demos :coolio
No there are vocal demos on there too (some that are entirely instrumental too of course)
So it looks like with the WDaDU demos, we'll have gotten the last of the LNF demos (unless we're getting more Mangini-era demos). The original YtseJam catalogue consisted of:
Demo Series:
-WDaDU Demos
-Images and Words Demos
-Awake Demos
-FII Demos
-ToT Demos
Live Series:
-LA 1998
-Tokyo 1995
-WDaDRU
-Old Bridge 1996
-NYC 1993
-Bucharest 2002
-Santiago 2005
Studio Series:
-Making of FII
-Making of SFaM
Cover Series:
-Master of Puppets
-Number of the Beast
-Made in Japan
-Dark Side of the Moon
-Uncovered 2003-2005
(Strikethrough indicates releases that have been rereleased through LNF Archives)
New for Lost Not Forgotten Archives:
-Images and Words 2017
-ADToE Soundboards (technically Happy Holidays)
-...And Beyond 2017
-Berlin 2019
-Wacken 2015
-Madison Square Garden 2010
-Distance Over Time Demos
I'm surprised how far behind they are with the original YtseJam live releases considering they're generally what the fans like the most, although it makes sense that they would wait to release them to keep people invested in the LNF Archives. I'm also looking forward to whatever MP is gonna give us from his archives (hopefully full shows from the CiM and BC&SL tours). I'm curious if there's any chance of them rereleasing the International Fan Club CDs. There was some cool stuff from those like the Prog Nation 2008 release with live versions of Misunderstood and Repentance.
Finally, what else can we expect for live releases from the Mangini-era? I'm thinking an Astonishing Tour show and a Top of the World Tour show are definitely in the cards. For the Top of the World Tour, should they release a show from 2022 or 2023? Or do a compilation album instead of just one show so we get all the songs they've played from both years? Either way, I wouldn't expect a release from this tour until at least 2024. There's a few other cool shows they've done like High Voltage 2011 that they could release.
The AVFTTOTW tour is ending next month, right? So, if DT will release an official live Blu-Ray, they already filmed any show or planning to film one of the next? I didn't see anything about it.
Still no news about May's release? :-[
https://www.lasercd.com/search_results?fulltext=Lost%20not%20forgotten&sort_by=sell_price&sort_order=DESC
Seems to be When Dream and Day Unite Demos :coolio
Still no news about May's release? :-[
https://www.lasercd.com/search_results?fulltext=Lost%20not%20forgotten&sort_by=sell_price&sort_order=DESC
Seems to be When Dream and Day Unite Demos :coolio
For anyone who's been keeping track, when in the month do they typically announce the next release in the series? It looks like the last announcement was March 17 so I was hoping that today, April 17 would be the announcement of the next release. I've been checking the Century Media online store but nothing yet. :\
The AVFTTOTW tour is ending next month, right? So, if DT will release an official live Blu-Ray, they already filmed any show or planning to film one of the next? I didn't see anything about it.
I hope the A Change Of Seasons from the Images, Words & Beyond Tour show in Tokyo sees the light of day at some point.
I hope the A Change Of Seasons from the Images, Words & Beyond Tour show in Tokyo sees the light of day at some point.
That sucks. Do you have any idea how short their set will be? I'm interested in Seeing Animals As Leaders and Devin Townsend, but I only bought tickets because Dream Theater is headlining.
I hope the A Change Of Seasons from the Images, Words & Beyond Tour show in Tokyo sees the light of day at some point.
They usually announce new titles a week after releasing one, so I was surprised/disappointed when they didn't say anything last friday. I really hope they don't take June off, as they just did that in March. I know there's still supply chain issues, specially for vinyl manufacturing, and that might play a big role here, but from a fan perspective it just sucks when they suddenly take months off with this considering that 1. they announced it as a monthly release and 2. not all releases are really worth getting (for me those would be the cover series or the making of, some demos, etc.).
Any idea what the next release will be?
I got my WDADU demos in the mail the other day. The only double dip I've actually done because my original ytsejam release had a few mastering defects towards the end of disc 2.Has the static been removed? And is there any mention in the credits of any work being done?
My Lazy Tomato LTE releases have them same sporadic static defect.
I'm no audiophile but I *think* the sound is ever so slightly improved on the LNF release. But if it is it is almost negligible.
Credits?I got my WDADU demos in the mail the other day. The only double dip I've actually done because my original ytsejam release had a few mastering defects towards the end of disc 2.Has the static been removed? And is there any mention in the credits of any work being done?
My Lazy Tomato LTE releases have them same sporadic static defect.
I'm no audiophile but I *think* the sound is ever so slightly improved on the LNF release. But if it is it is almost negligible.
Any idea what the next release will be?
Apparently there won't be one for June, but they should be announcing something for July soon ???
I’m up to date on all the LNF releases, and am wondering what the next release will be …I would like a full live recording of one of the Astonishing shows , I would hope there is one …I know I’m not in the majority of people that like this album , but I loved the live show and although it’s definitely different, I totally appreciate the work that went into that album …
I’m up to date on all the LNF releases, and am wondering what the next release will be …I would like a full live recording of one of the Astonishing shows , I would hope there is one …I know I’m not in the majority of people that like this album , but I loved the live show and although it’s definitely different, I totally appreciate the work that went into that album …
I'd be down for a DVD of an Astonishing live show - I remember the performance having some interesting story visuals. Be nice to have that memorialized in a product.
Well, they didn't film any of the shows, so there won't be any live videos for it. I'd gladly take just the audio, though.
Well, they didn't film any of the shows, so there won't be any live videos for it. I'd gladly take just the audio, though.
Is that true? I thought there was video of a couple shows. Not sure where I heard that, though, so I can't really justify that belief.
I'd love a LNF version of The Astonishing, audio or video. If not for any reason other than getting the proper outro to A New Beginning.
I Loved TA, and it really blows that we didn't a get DVD of that tour considering some of the other shows they recorded in the years prior. It's an extra kick in the nuts given how few fan videos there are of that tour (no camera policy). I could have sworn when I saw that show in CT there was a tri-pod mounted camera in the sound booth fixed on the stage. I'd be happy with just that footage.
OCD collector completion syndrome
I think The Astonishing is their worst album by far. I actually left the concert halfway through which I have never done for any show let alone Dream Theater.
That said, I would buy an official bootleg of a TA show.
That's not saying much because I own them all short of double dipping for some Ytsejam/LNF.
I think The Astonishing is their worst album by far. I actually left the concert halfway through which I have never done for any show let alone Dream Theater.
That said, I would buy an official bootleg of a TA show.
That's not saying much because I own them all short of double dipping for some Ytsejam/LNF.
The Astonishing is my least favorite Dream Theater album as well. However, I did see them five times on that tour.
To all you The Astonishing haters, quit posting! You're not helping our cause to push for a live video release from that tour.
Like you said earlier, perhaps someday it will click if you listen to it at the right time. I've had that happen many times.To all you The Astonishing haters, quit posting! You're not helping our cause to push for a live video release from that tour.
I don't think my hate plus my willingness to buy more is affecting their decision any way other than in a positive direction
Like you said earlier, perhaps someday it will click if you listen to it at the right time. I've had that happen many times.To all you The Astonishing haters, quit posting! You're not helping our cause to push for a live video release from that tour.
I don't think my hate plus my willingness to buy more is affecting their decision any way other than in a positive direction
I remember the first time I heard Yes' Close To The Edge, I didn't get it at all. I listened to it again a few years later and was absolutely enamored by it.
So, apparently there won't be a release for July either? They usually announce these things two months in advance, so it's a bummer there hasn't been any word about this for a while. Maybe these are the Lost And Forgotten Archives now? :P
To all you The Astonishing haters, quit posting! You're not helping our cause to push for a live video release from that tour.
Dude, you're on the path that divides! Pull it together man! :metalTo all you The Astonishing haters, quit posting! You're not helping our cause to push for a live video release from that tour.
Shit, I better get spamming then about my thoughts on TA! :biggrin:
I like TA reasonably well, and there is zero chance I would ever buy a live recording of it in any fashion.Well that's not very cool,,, Chris! 😁
I'd love a LNF version of The Astonishing, audio or video. If not for any reason other than getting the proper outro to A New Beginning.
I Loved TA, and it really blows that we didn't a get DVD of that tour considering some of the other shows they recorded in the years prior. It's an extra kick in the nuts given how few fan videos there are of that tour (no camera policy). I could have sworn when I saw that show in CT there was a tri-pod mounted camera in the sound booth fixed on the stage. I'd be happy with just that footage.
A live video of TA is about the only thing I'm interested in from the LNF archives. Even if it's audience shot footage.
It seems that the band and management have completely moved on from TA, so it will probably never happen. It's almost like the equivalent of trying to find the Ark of the Covenant. It's either heavily guarded or has just vanished off the scene. 🤔
Ok I changed my mind. I would buy this if it became available on LNF Archives. Entire DT show 2022 multi-cam in Chile. Great show at a beautiful venue. James sounds great and the band is really feeding off the large crowd!
https://youtu.be/GPuqgr9411Y
:metal
Ok I changed my mind. I would buy this if it became available on LNF Archives. Entire DT show 2022 multi-cam in Chile. Great show at a beautiful venue. James sounds great and the band is really feeding off the large crowd!
https://youtu.be/GPuqgr9411Y
:metal
I like how the crowd is singing along to the lead guitar in The Alien. Then the annoying guy singing along to the whole song. :lol
The show gets better after that.
Ok I changed my mind. I would buy this if it became available on LNF Archives. Entire DT show 2022 multi-cam in Chile. Great show at a beautiful venue. James sounds great and the band is really feeding off the large crowd!
https://youtu.be/GPuqgr9411Y
:metal
I like how the crowd is singing along to the lead guitar in The Alien. Then the annoying guy singing along to the whole song. :lol
The show gets better after that.
I guess they’re not including the disc of David Bottrill mixes with it like they did on the YtseJam release?
I guess they’re not including the disc of David Bottrill mixes with it like they did on the YtseJam release?
Apparently not. Hopefully they make it a separate release
I guess they’re not including the disc of David Bottrill mixes with it like they did on the YtseJam release?
Apparently not. Hopefully they make it a separate release
Yeah...some of those alternate mixes are better than what ended up on the album.
Ok I changed my mind. I would buy this if it became available on LNF Archives. Entire DT show 2022 multi-cam in Chile. Great show at a beautiful venue. James sounds great and the band is really feeding off the large crowd!
https://youtu.be/GPuqgr9411Y
:metal
I like how the crowd is singing along to the lead guitar in The Alien. Then the annoying guy singing along to the whole song. :lol
The show gets better after that.
I'd like that as well.
Labrie looks dope in that jacket. Awesome setlist as well, I think I slightly prefer the set from the 2022 shows vs the 2023 ones. I'd also enjoy a Happy Holidays-type release where it's just a compilation of every song from the tour as opposed to one single show.
A disappointment but at least now we know it's not the Lost AND Forgotten series. Keeping my fingers crossed for Bucharest 2002 and Santiago 2005.
A disappointment but at least now we know it's not the Lost AND Forgotten series. Keeping my fingers crossed for Bucharest 2002 and Santiago 2005.
A disappointment but at least now we know it's not the Lost AND Forgotten series. Keeping my fingers crossed for Bucharest 2002 and Santiago 2005.
A disappointment but at least now we know it's not the Lost AND Forgotten series. Keeping my fingers crossed for Bucharest 2002 and Santiago 2005.
Have those both on DVD, they are fantastic. Hope they can get out there agina for those who would like to own them.
A disappointment but at least now we know it's not the Lost AND Forgotten series. Keeping my fingers crossed for Bucharest 2002 and Santiago 2005.
Have those both on DVD, they are fantastic. Hope they can get out there agina for those who would like to own them.
Is the Bucharest audio out there anywhere? I would be all over that.
A disappointment but at least now we know it's not the Lost AND Forgotten series. Keeping my fingers crossed for Bucharest 2002 and Santiago 2005.
Have those both on DVD, they are fantastic. Hope they can get out there agina for those who would like to own them.
Is the Bucharest audio out there anywhere? I would be all over that.
AFAIK, only as unofficial audio rips from the original DVD, and not separately mastered for CDs.
-Marc.
what is the deal with these? every couple weeks a new one pops up on spotify but aren't they old releases? are they just simply putting them on streaming or is there an element of remaster/remix here as well?
thanks!
Has there been any word on them ever doing a repress of their main albums?
Has there been any word on them ever doing a repress of their main albums?
I just did a quick spot check, and it looks like all of their studio albums are pretty readily available. Why would anyone want to repress their own albums? Self-censorship?
I don't believe there has been any official confirmation of remastering/remixing by the band.
Has there been any word on them ever doing a repress of their main albums?
I just did a quick spot check, and it looks like all of their studio albums are pretty readily available. Why would anyone want to repress their own albums? Self-censorship?
I assumed "box set" type things like Fish did or that Rush is doing. I could be wrong, though.
Has there been any word on them ever doing a repress of their main albums?
I just did a quick spot check, and it looks like all of their studio albums are pretty readily available. Why would anyone want to repress their own albums? Self-censorship?
Hoping the recent developments don't mean we won't get some things like TA live or more MM era stuff.
Yeah, I'm curious if MP's return is part of the recent delays in the series. Maybe he's revamping the series to bring it back to its former glory (detailed liner notes, accurate band photos, etc).
Yeah, I'm curious if MP's return is part of the recent delays in the series. Maybe he's revamping the series to bring it back to its former glory (detailed liner notes, accurate band photos, etc).
I wondered that too. Then again, if I was the type of fan that picked up the whole series with the weird kaleidoscope cover and they stopped 3 shy of re-releasing everything, I'd be a bit upset. I'm not that type of fan though and only picked up the new ones since I had all the others so it makes no difference to me.
Bucharest '02 (DVD)Obviously I don't know what the arrangement is with InsideOut, but it doesn't look like the DVDs are gonna be reissued, and it's debatable whether they'll even release the soundtracks on triple CD/quadruple-quintuple vinyl.
Santiago '05 (DVD)
Yeah, I'm curious if MP's return is part of the recent delays in the series. Maybe he's revamping the series to bring it back to its former glory (detailed liner notes, accurate band photos, etc).
I wondered that too. Then again, if I was the type of fan that picked up the whole series with the weird kaleidoscope cover and they stopped 3 shy of re-releasing everything, I'd be a bit upset. I'm not that type of fan though and only picked up the new ones since I had all the others so it makes no difference to me.
I personally think they dug themselves a hole releasing everything on vinyl. I'm convinced it's why they left off A Change of Seasons and Behind the Veil from their respective live albums. And probably why the other two live shows haven't been re-released as of yet. They'll probably both need four LPs just to fit everything. I hope they go back to DVDs too. Or at least give us the audio from the old ones.
Yeah, I'm curious if MP's return is part of the recent delays in the series. Maybe he's revamping the series to bring it back to its former glory (detailed liner notes, accurate band photos, etc).
I wondered that too. Then again, if I was the type of fan that picked up the whole series with the weird kaleidoscope cover and they stopped 3 shy of re-releasing everything, I'd be a bit upset. I'm not that type of fan though and only picked up the new ones since I had all the others so it makes no difference to me.
I personally think they dug themselves a hole releasing everything on vinyl. I'm convinced it's why they left off A Change of Seasons and Behind the Veil from their respective live albums. And probably why the other two live shows haven't been re-released as of yet. They'll probably both need four LPs just to fit everything. I hope they go back to DVDs too. Or at least give us the audio from the old ones.
I hadn't considered the vinyl limitations being the reason we haven't seen Bucharest or Chile. Did the ADTOE Soundboards get a vinyl release? It's about 2 hours long which makes it a bit longer than you could fit on 2 LPs but I'm not seeing the vinyl listed on the Century Media Store site, just the CD.
Not getting Behind the Veil on Wacken 2015 is pretty ridiculous because it was already a 2LP release. IDK why they didn't include it, they had plenty of room. I really just wish they had released a different show from that tour because the Wacken show was already shortened and cut Caught in a Web, ACOS II, About to Crash, and Wither. Not to mention JLB had a cold or something and sounded pretty poor.
I've seen some people theorize that the reason we didn't get ACOS on either of the Budokan 2017 releases could be due to a possible agreement with MP when he left that they wouldn't release the song on a live album due to it basically being his Space-Dye Vest. But I feel like if this were the case, the band wouldn't have even played it live out of respect to MP. I also doubt that MP would have even stipulated that, seems a tad out of character for him.
I hope the band hasn't forgotten (pun very intended) those two songs (ACOS and BTV) were cut from their respective releases and that they get out at some point with a live compilation or something. Would love to have all the songs from the previous tours too! (A View + Dreamsonic).
I hope the band hasn't forgotten (pun very intended) those two songs (ACOS and BTV) were cut from their respective releases and that they get out at some point with a live compilation or something. Would love to have all the songs from the previous tours too! (A View + Dreamsonic).
I’d like to see a compilation of live rarities. Include those two, plus Don’t Look Past Me and To Live Forever, and some others.
Yeah, I'm curious if MP's return is part of the recent delays in the series. Maybe he's revamping the series to bring it back to its former glory (detailed liner notes, accurate band photos, etc).
I wondered that too. Then again, if I was the type of fan that picked up the whole series with the weird kaleidoscope cover and they stopped 3 shy of re-releasing everything, I'd be a bit upset. I'm not that type of fan though and only picked up the new ones since I had all the others so it makes no difference to me.
I personally think they dug themselves a hole releasing everything on vinyl. I'm convinced it's why they left off A Change of Seasons and Behind the Veil from their respective live albums. And probably why the other two live shows haven't been re-released as of yet. They'll probably both need four LPs just to fit everything. I hope they go back to DVDs too. Or at least give us the audio from the old ones.
I've seen some people theorize that the reason we didn't get ACOS on either of the Budokan 2017 releases could be due to a possible agreement with MP when he left that they wouldn't release the song on a live album due to it basically being his Space-Dye Vest. But I feel like if this were the case, the band wouldn't have even played it live out of respect to MP. I also doubt that MP would have even stipulated that, seems a tad out of character for him.
Well, a lot of comments in this very thread were along the lines of "If MP was still around this would be handled differently." I'll be curious to see if these albums really do get handled differently if Portnoy starts to have more control over them.
One thing I'll say is that the YtseJam releases and a lot of other goodies that came from the Portnoy era were a result of having an obsessive music fan who was just trying to consider the type of material that he would want to see released by his own favorite bands. I just hope he keeps that fan perspective in mind and brings the same attitude to the Mangini era. In normal circumstances, I feel like he would make it a big priority to make sure rare songs like Don't Look Past Me and Behind the Veil get released. Or even the only instance of that lineup playing songs like A Change of Seasons. Obviously, we don't really know if Portnoy is going to see the Mangini era the same way, but I hope he treats it as a valid part of the band's history and is as big a "fan" of the Mangini years as he is the rest of Dream Theater.Yeah, I'm curious if MP's return is part of the recent delays in the series. Maybe he's revamping the series to bring it back to its former glory (detailed liner notes, accurate band photos, etc).
I wondered that too. Then again, if I was the type of fan that picked up the whole series with the weird kaleidoscope cover and they stopped 3 shy of re-releasing everything, I'd be a bit upset. I'm not that type of fan though and only picked up the new ones since I had all the others so it makes no difference to me.
I personally think they dug themselves a hole releasing everything on vinyl. I'm convinced it's why they left off A Change of Seasons and Behind the Veil from their respective live albums. And probably why the other two live shows haven't been re-released as of yet. They'll probably both need four LPs just to fit everything. I hope they go back to DVDs too. Or at least give us the audio from the old ones.
I've seen some people theorize that the reason we didn't get ACOS on either of the Budokan 2017 releases could be due to a possible agreement with MP when he left that they wouldn't release the song on a live album due to it basically being his Space-Dye Vest. But I feel like if this were the case, the band wouldn't have even played it live out of respect to MP. I also doubt that MP would have even stipulated that, seems a tad out of character for him.
I don't really buy that. When they played The Shattered Fortress early on I took that as a clear signal from the band that they weren't going to tiptoe around any songs with Portnoy lyrics, save for maybe The Best of Times (which seems like the classy thing to do). And yes, if there was any agreement they probably wouldn't have played it live in the first place. Anyway didn't Portnoy make a bit of a fuss at the time when they played ACOS? I seem to remember that and maybe even him mentioning that he had tried to negotiate restrictions on certain songs that DT couldn't play. My memory is pretty fuzzy though.
Well, a lot of comments in this very thread were along the lines of "If MP was still around this would be handled differently." I'll be curious to see if these albums really do get handled differently if Portnoy starts to have more control over them.
One thing I'll say is that the YtseJam releases and a lot of other goodies that came from the Portnoy era were a result of having an obsessive music fan who was just trying to consider the type of material that he would want to see released by his own favorite bands. I just hope he keeps that fan perspective in mind and brings the same attitude to the Mangini era. In normal circumstances, I feel like he would make it a big priority to make sure rare songs like Don't Look Past Me and Behind the Veil get released. Or even the only instance of that lineup playing songs like A Change of Seasons. Obviously, we don't really know if Portnoy is going to see the Mangini era the same way, but I hope he treats it as a valid part of the band's history and is as big a "fan" of the Mangini years as he is the rest of Dream Theater.
Well, a lot of comments in this very thread were along the lines of "If MP was still around this would be handled differently." I'll be curious to see if these albums really do get handled differently if Portnoy starts to have more control over them.
One thing I'll say is that the YtseJam releases and a lot of other goodies that came from the Portnoy era were a result of having an obsessive music fan who was just trying to consider the type of material that he would want to see released by his own favorite bands. I just hope he keeps that fan perspective in mind and brings the same attitude to the Mangini era. In normal circumstances, I feel like he would make it a big priority to make sure rare songs like Don't Look Past Me and Behind the Veil get released. Or even the only instance of that lineup playing songs like A Change of Seasons. Obviously, we don't really know if Portnoy is going to see the Mangini era the same way, but I hope he treats it as a valid part of the band's history and is as big a "fan" of the Mangini years as he is the rest of Dream Theater.Yeah, I'm curious if MP's return is part of the recent delays in the series. Maybe he's revamping the series to bring it back to its former glory (detailed liner notes, accurate band photos, etc).
I wondered that too. Then again, if I was the type of fan that picked up the whole series with the weird kaleidoscope cover and they stopped 3 shy of re-releasing everything, I'd be a bit upset. I'm not that type of fan though and only picked up the new ones since I had all the others so it makes no difference to me.
I personally think they dug themselves a hole releasing everything on vinyl. I'm convinced it's why they left off A Change of Seasons and Behind the Veil from their respective live albums. And probably why the other two live shows haven't been re-released as of yet. They'll probably both need four LPs just to fit everything. I hope they go back to DVDs too. Or at least give us the audio from the old ones.
I've seen some people theorize that the reason we didn't get ACOS on either of the Budokan 2017 releases could be due to a possible agreement with MP when he left that they wouldn't release the song on a live album due to it basically being his Space-Dye Vest. But I feel like if this were the case, the band wouldn't have even played it live out of respect to MP. I also doubt that MP would have even stipulated that, seems a tad out of character for him.
I don't really buy that. When they played The Shattered Fortress early on I took that as a clear signal from the band that they weren't going to tiptoe around any songs with Portnoy lyrics, save for maybe The Best of Times (which seems like the classy thing to do). And yes, if there was any agreement they probably wouldn't have played it live in the first place. Anyway didn't Portnoy make a bit of a fuss at the time when they played ACOS? I seem to remember that and maybe even him mentioning that he had tried to negotiate restrictions on certain songs that DT couldn't play. My memory is pretty fuzzy though.
The only thing I know of is that in an interview with Eddie Trunk, he noted that Geoff Tate did something like that and he WISHED he had thought of that for the 12-Step Suite when leaving DT. I'm not going to assume anything about ACOS, but that seems to indicate that it was not done for the suite.
Well, a lot of comments in this very thread were along the lines of "If MP was still around this would be handled differently." I'll be curious to see if these albums really do get handled differently if Portnoy starts to have more control over them.
One thing I'll say is that the YtseJam releases and a lot of other goodies that came from the Portnoy era were a result of having an obsessive music fan who was just trying to consider the type of material that he would want to see released by his own favorite bands. I just hope he keeps that fan perspective in mind and brings the same attitude to the Mangini era. In normal circumstances, I feel like he would make it a big priority to make sure rare songs like Don't Look Past Me and Behind the Veil get released. Or even the only instance of that lineup playing songs like A Change of Seasons. Obviously, we don't really know if Portnoy is going to see the Mangini era the same way, but I hope he treats it as a valid part of the band's history and is as big a "fan" of the Mangini years as he is the rest of Dream Theater.
That's one thing I'm not worried about. Portnoy may be many things, but he ALWAYS tries to make sure he gets the history right
I don't really buy that. When they played The Shattered Fortress early on I took that as a clear signal from the band that they weren't going to tiptoe around any songs with Portnoy lyrics, save for maybe The Best of Times (which seems like the classy thing to do). And yes, if there was any agreement they probably wouldn't have played it live in the first place. Anyway didn't Portnoy make a bit of a fuss at the time when they played ACOS? I seem to remember that and maybe even him mentioning that he had tried to negotiate restrictions on certain songs that DT couldn't play. My memory is pretty fuzzy though.
I don't really buy that. When they played The Shattered Fortress early on I took that as a clear signal from the band that they weren't going to tiptoe around any songs with Portnoy lyrics, save for maybe The Best of Times (which seems like the classy thing to do). And yes, if there was any agreement they probably wouldn't have played it live in the first place. Anyway didn't Portnoy make a bit of a fuss at the time when they played ACOS? I seem to remember that and maybe even him mentioning that he had tried to negotiate restrictions on certain songs that DT couldn't play. My memory is pretty fuzzy though.
I remember an interview (I don't have a link) where he basically said he was disappointed that they were playing ACOS in 2017, but only because he was out with The Shattered Fortress and wanted ACOS to be part of his set. He ended up not playing it that tour because DT already was. I remember the interview because I hadn't seen DT yet that year and that was the first spoiler I got about the setlist (other than I&W).
My CD has a glitch at the end of "Pull Me Under". Is that autotune? Because I hear THAT.You might want to return it to the store because it’s defective. Is there a Tower Records near you?
It would've been nice for them to have released a classic MP Era show to keep us occupied while they record the new album.Now is the perfect time for it really, and they clearly had MP era releases lined up ready to go. Really hope they keep these coming.
It would've been nice for them to have released a classic MP Era show to keep us occupied while they record the new album.
Saw this post just now and I have an answer. I have all the YJR releases, so had no reason to get any of the LNFA reissues, but read somewhere that supposedly the Awake demos were remixed, which piqued my curiosity. So I bought that specific release. Not long ago, as I am not an audiophile, I sent the FLAC files of both to a friend of mine who's intimately familiar with sound editing software, etc. and can pick up subtleties in the mixes due to his background in mixing and mastering.I don't believe there has been any official confirmation of remastering/remixing by the band.They've been advertised as remastered, but, thus far, I don't think anyone has done any A/B comparisons to see if they actually sound any different.
Saw this post just now and I have an answer. I have all the YJR releases, so had no reason to get any of the LNFA reissues, but read somewhere that supposedly the Awake demos were remixed, which piqued my curiosity. So I bought that specific release. Not long ago, as I am not an audiophile, I sent the FLAC files of both to a friend of mine who's intimately familiar with sound editing software, etc. and can pick up subtleties in the mixes due to his background in mixing and mastering.I don't believe there has been any official confirmation of remastering/remixing by the band.They've been advertised as remastered, but, thus far, I don't think anyone has done any A/B comparisons to see if they actually sound any different.
In his response, he said that when doing a side by side comparison, the Awake demos were remastered, but probably not remixed because the vocal effects are identical between the two, the instrument balance is the same throughout and even the track starts are identical. The only difference is very minimal in that the levels are very slightly louder on the new one. Otherwise there is no difference between them.
Saw this post just now and I have an answer. I have all the YJR releases, so had no reason to get any of the LNFA reissues, but read somewhere that supposedly the Awake demos were remixed, which piqued my curiosity. So I bought that specific release. Not long ago, as I am not an audiophile, I sent the FLAC files of both to a friend of mine who's intimately familiar with sound editing software, etc. and can pick up subtleties in the mixes due to his background in mixing and mastering.I don't believe there has been any official confirmation of remastering/remixing by the band.They've been advertised as remastered, but, thus far, I don't think anyone has done any A/B comparisons to see if they actually sound any different.
In his response, he said that when doing a side by side comparison, the Awake demos were remastered, but probably not remixed because the vocal effects are identical between the two, the instrument balance is the same throughout and even the track starts are identical. The only difference is very minimal in that the levels are very slightly louder on the new one. Otherwise there is no difference between them.
This is great information. Makes me glad I did not double dip and will continue to buy only the new ones. If they keep going, that is. I imagine they will pick back up at some point this year. I don't think MP would sit on this stuff. Maybe another rebranding is in the works now that he's back.
I can't imagine Dreamsonic music comes out, but something from the first leg of the View tour should hopefully come out some day.
Also, would love to see something TA related, but I'm not expecting it, ever at this point.
I think it would be kinda silly for them to release a MM show right now. Everybody is hyped about Portnoy being back in the band and the upcoming album and in the interim you get a release with Mangini on drums? Just doesn't seem right. On the other hand, it will be a cool throwback in a few years as part of a batch with other things.Yeah, I'm more of this mindset too. Don't forget that over time there was a mix of live shows released with Derek mixed in with the Limelight show that had Kevin, the WDaDR, 2002 and 2005 DVDs with JR, and the cover releases also with JR. So MP made sure to mix things up. I would think the same will be true going forward as well.
They will run out of MM pretty quick though since they always played the same setlists.I assume you're speaking about L@LP and the 2013 Fan Club compilation? If so, I could still see them releasing one of the warm up shows in its entirety as well as one or two shows from the Dramatic tour that have enough variation in the setlist to make it worthwhile.
2011 Mangini warmup tour - Covered
ADTOE tour - Covered
2015 festival tour - Covered minus a couple songs, particularly Behind the VeilThey could release another show from the 2015 tour that's the full length setlist, especially before JL got sick on that tour.
I&W and Beyond tour - Everything covered except A Change of Seasons
Distance Over Time tour - Covered, I think they got everything on the live release??
How about a "tribute to former members" batch?Interesting idea and one that MP inadvertently even had in mind before he split. He had in mind releasing the 1998 Poughkeepsie show which was Derek's last, plus a DVD that included both DT's set at the Download festival in 2009 as well as the 2010 Japanese festival that ended up being MP's last before he split. So those still could happen.
- The last show with Derek
- That NYC gig where they opened for Maiden.
- A show from the View tour.
Not the gig I'm talking about. The Fear of the Dark tour, 1992 I think.No offense, bu what's the significance of that show? I can think of a dozen other shows from that same tour cycle that would be far more interesting than that 5-song set, even if it is half of IaW.
Edit: This one from the Tourography (not sure how to link directly) -
PRE-IMAGES SHOWS
06/08/1992 New York City, NY, USA
Not the gig I'm talking about. The Fear of the Dark tour, 1992 I think.No offense, bu what's the significance of that show? I can think of a dozen other shows from that same tour cycle that would be far more interesting than that 5-song set, even if it is half of IaW.
Edit: This one from the Tourography (not sure how to link directly) -
PRE-IMAGES SHOWS
06/08/1992 New York City, NY, USA
Notes: This was their biggest show, at that time.
Not the gig I'm talking about. The Fear of the Dark tour, 1992 I think.
Edit: This one from the Tourography (not sure how to link directly) -
PRE-IMAGES SHOWS
06/08/1992 New York City, NY, USA
Venue: Ritz Club
Other Act(s): Iron Maiden Headlined
Set List:
Pull Me Under
Under A Glass Moon
Metropolis Part I
A Fortune In Lies
Learning To Live
Guitar JOHN PETRUCCI
Bass JOHN MYUNG
Keyboards KEVIN MOORE
Drums MIKE PORTNOY
Vocals JAMES LABRIE
I'd imagine this part:If that was it, I'd say no. They've played much bigger venues both as the headlining act and festivals. Keep in mind that up to that time, they were merely a "local" club band. So while it was no doubt a big deal to them back then, it wouldn't take long for that show to fade into the background.Notes: This was their biggest show, at that time.
It's notable, sure, but I'm not sure it warrants a release, unless it had a professional soundboard recording made. Otherwise, it's just a deep-cut DT oddity that maybe die-hards of that era might enjoy. I feel like we've gotten plenty of great IAW-era shows, both officially and unofficially as bootlegs.
If we're digging deep in the way-back era, let's see them put out a really good WDADU era show, perhaps as a way to honor Charlie. It would be a great way to celebrate the band's history as well, and the 35th Anniversary of their debut album, which is less than a month away.That would be nice, but I don't know if MP would be willing to release any audience recordings. He got his DAT recorder for Images and Tour, and I believe the only soundboard recordings he got from the pre-JL era were CC-era shows done at the Right Track Inn where they had a mixing board.
That would be nice, but I don't know if MP would be willing to release any audience recordings. He got his DAT recorder for Images and Tour, and I believe the only soundboard recordings he got from the pre-JL era were CC-era shows done at the Right Track Inn where they had a mixing board.
That would be nice, but I don't know if MP would be willing to release any audience recordings. He got his DAT recorder for Images and Tour, and I believe the only soundboard recordings he got from the pre-JL era were CC-era shows done at the Right Track Inn where they had a mixing board.
I'd love to hear those CC shows! :o
That would be nice, but I don't know if MP would be willing to release any audience recordings. He got his DAT recorder for Images and Tour, and I believe the only soundboard recordings he got from the pre-JL era were CC-era shows done at the Right Track Inn where they had a mixing board.
I'd love to hear those CC shows! :o
When was CC DeVille in the band? ;)
That would be nice, but I don't know if MP would be willing to release any audience recordings. He got his DAT recorder for Images and Tour, and I believe the only soundboard recordings he got from the pre-JL era were CC-era shows done at the Right Track Inn where they had a mixing board.
I'd love to hear those CC shows! :o
When was CC DeVille in the band? ;)
That would be nice, but I don't know if MP would be willing to release any audience recordings. He got his DAT recorder for Images and Tour, and I believe the only soundboard recordings he got from the pre-JL era were CC-era shows done at the Right Track Inn where they had a mixing board.
I'd love to hear those CC shows! :o
When was CC DeVille in the band? ;)
"Talk Dirty to Me - Part I: The Eyeliner and the Hairspray"
"Talk Dirty to Me - Part II: Scenes from My Dressing Room"
Not a huge fan, but I did like some of their stuff back in the day. I'd check that out too if just for the novelty of it! :lolThat would be nice, but I don't know if MP would be willing to release any audience recordings. He got his DAT recorder for Images and Tour, and I believe the only soundboard recordings he got from the pre-JL era were CC-era shows done at the Right Track Inn where they had a mixing board.
I'd love to hear those CC shows! :o
When was CC DeVille in the band? ;)
"Talk Dirty to Me - Part I: The Eyeliner and the Hairspray"
"Talk Dirty to Me - Part II: Scenes from My Dressing Room"
I really like Poison. And CC.
And I would pay good money for those songs :biggrin:
Scott, do you think it is at all possible that now that Mike's archive is again within reach the band may start releasing a wider range of old live performances, through digital means only?My gut feeling is that they probably won't. I remember asking MP a long time ago about them doing something more along the lines of Pearl Jam or Metallica where they would release a whole bunch of shows, and (I'm paraphrasing) he said that he liked having control over what is released. So I don't see that changing. And having physical releases would provide an additional reason to keep things a bit more spaced out. Plus with him being a music fan himself and based on the videos he did during the lockdown, I imagine that he enjoys physical releases too. And one other thing is that we don't know what kind of arrangement or contract they have set up with InsideOut Music to do all these bootlegs, so maybe they're contractually bound.
It would be win/win/win situation: we get more quality recordings from their past, they get some minor revenue increase for virtually no added operation cost (they wouldn't have to press / distribute the actual physical media).
I wish Portnoy would release a Shattered Fortress show, at least on his personal website.My guess is that ship has sailed now that he's back in the band. With that said, I wouldn't be surprised if we see the 12SS featured on an upcoming tour.
Then we are left to hope that the band is open to suggestions for which shows to release in the future! I'd have:
1. An official version of the old GDT release "5 Days In a Livetime"
2. The Ottawa '04 show (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/tourography/), with its incredible setlist and unreleased lengthy Improv Jam
3. A full video release of the unplugged Nighttown '98 show (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/tourography/), parts of which feature in the 5YIALT DVD alongside the Paris show.
3. Re-releasing the spectacular (and neigh-unfindable) October '95 show in Tokyo (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/tourography/)
5. The famously unhinged Den Bosch '00 show (https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=579)
Then we are left to hope that the band is open to suggestions for which shows to release in the future! I'd have:
1. An official version of the old GDT release "5 Days In a Livetime"
2. The Ottawa '04 show (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/tourography/), with its incredible setlist and unreleased lengthy Improv Jam
3. A full video release of the unplugged Nighttown '98 show (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/tourography/), parts of which feature in the 5YIALT DVD alongside the Paris show.
3. Re-releasing the spectacular (and neigh-unfindable) October '95 show in Tokyo (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/tourography/)
5. The famously unhinged Den Bosch '00 show (https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=579)
The links in numbers 2, 3 and second 3 don't work. Is the Tokyo 95 show the same one they released in YJR (https://www.discogs.com/master/784315-Dream-Theater-Official-Bootleg-Tokyo-Japan-102895)? This is a really good show and one I used to frequently revisit back when I was in the height of my DT-fandom and listening to a lot of their music. There's a few copies on Discogs for sale, but the cheapest is at $43 USD and coming from Sweden. Being the fifth release in the YJR series probably explains its rarity.
-Marc.
Then we are left to hope that the band is open to suggestions for which shows to release in the future! I'd have:
1. An official version of the old GDT release "5 Days In a Livetime"
2. The Ottawa '04 show (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/tourography/), with its incredible setlist and unreleased lengthy Improv Jam
3. A full video release of the unplugged Nighttown '98 show (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/tourography/), parts of which feature in the 5YIALT DVD alongside the Paris show.
3. Re-releasing the spectacular (and neigh-unfindable) October '95 show in Tokyo (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/tourography/)
5. The famously unhinged Den Bosch '00 show (https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=579)
The links in numbers 2, 3 and second 3 don't work. Is the Tokyo 95 show the same one they released in YJR (https://www.discogs.com/master/784315-Dream-Theater-Official-Bootleg-Tokyo-Japan-102895)? This is a really good show and one I used to frequently revisit back when I was in the height of my DT-fandom and listening to a lot of their music. There's a few copies on Discogs for sale, but the cheapest is at $43 USD and coming from Sweden. Being the fifth release in the YJR series probably explains its rarity.
-Marc.
The links "work", they just take you to the main page of his Tourography section, which he has set-up with all the bands he was in. If you click the Dream Theater one, it'll take you to the DT tourography.
As for the others, I assume THIS is the Ottawa 2004 show (https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=789) referenced in wasteland's post, and that THIS is the Nighttown 98 show (https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=437). I just thought it was odd that wasteland provided the correct link for the Den Bosch 00 show, but not the others.
-Marc.
1. An official version of the old GDT release "5 Days In a Livetime"Pretty sure this one is a given since he had intended on releasing it with the next batch of YJR releases before he left the band.
2. The Ottawa '04 show (https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=789), with its incredible setlist and unreleased lengthy Improv JamWould love to see this! Only issue is if they'll do 3CD releases for the LNFA releases. There were never any 3CD releases for YJR, so I don't know if there will be for LNFA.
3. A full video release of the unplugged Nighttown '98 show (https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=437), parts of which feature in the 5YIALT DVD alongside the Paris show.For starters, that depends on if LNFA will get into video releases or not; thus far they haven't. With that being said, being that both shows were released partially on official releases perhaps the unreleased footage could be released separately, but releases of the full shows are highly unlikely - can't imagine Warner Bros. being willing to do that, unless it was for some sort of extra special anniversary release on their label (instead of InsideOut Music/Sony). The same would also hold true for people like Stads pining for the complete release of the Uncovered show at Ronnie Scott's Jazz Club.
4. Re-releasing the spectacular (and neigh-unfindable) October '95 show in Tokyo (https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=318)Definitely expect this one to be released. Actually surprised that it hasn't been released yet.
5. The famously unhinged Den Bosch '00 show (https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=579)Don't recall this show being famously unhinged, aside from maybe the end of LtL. Are you sure you're not referring to the 2000/10/18 show in Glasgow (https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=582) instead? If so, I could see that one being a possibility, but I wouldn't bank on it since the craziest parts of it already appeared on the 2000 Fan Club CD.
I'd love to get an official release with the Awake jam.That would be nice to have. But even if it never happens, there is an absolutely stellar soundboard bootleg already in circulation for the 1995/01/23 show that I highly recommend. :tup Just be sure to get that show and not the one from the following day that is also in circulation and is from a TV broadcast, but the sound quality is nowhere near as good, and JM's bass sounds like galloping horses. :omg:
I would really love a complete show from the Chaos in Motion tour. James sounded great for a lot of those shows and his voice really got screwed in the production on CiM 2007-2008. He absolutely nails the ending of Lines in the Sand here: https://youtu.be/XVYMYG54cQ0?si=aj9O2qqsix9a_DIx&t=4087Well remember that MP was selecting tracks based on the 6 pro-shot videos he had from that tour, since the band did not make arrangements to properly film any of the shows like they had on the two previous tours, hence the more "bootleg" quality and standard definition (as opposed to HD), so that could help partially explain why some of the performances were chosen over others.
That tour also had a couple of rare tracks that haven't made an official live album yet, like Never Enough and Misunderstood.
Well there was the Romavarium DVD (https://www.discogs.com/release/3763406-Dream-Theater-Romavarium-The-International-Fan-Clubs-DVD-2006), which featured the fill 8VM Album performance, including "Never Enough".
-Marc.
I'd love to get an official release with the Awake jam.That would be nice to have. But even if it never happens, there is an absolutely stellar soundboard bootleg already in circulation for the 1995/01/23 show that I highly recommend. :tup Just be sure to get that show and not the one from the following day that is also in circulation and is from a TV broadcast, but the sound quality is nowhere near as good, and JM's bass sounds like galloping horses. :omg:
And you are correct about NE not being on any official releases yet, but Misunderstood was on the 2002 Bucharest DVD released through YJR, as well as on the 2008 Fan Club CD. So while not being on anything widely released, at least you can find Misunderstood somewhere; in the case of the 2008 Fan Club CD, with properly mixed sound, just like an official release.
in the case of the 2008 Fan Club CD, with properly mixed sound, just like an official release.
Good call on both - honestly I've never been a big video person, so after having both of those once or twice, I've long forgotten about them, so they didn't come to mind.Well there was the Romavarium DVD (https://www.discogs.com/release/3763406-Dream-Theater-Romavarium-The-International-Fan-Clubs-DVD-2006), which featured the fill 8VM Album performance, including "Never Enough".Never Enough also features on the other DTIFC DVD (A Walk Beside the Band), live from Paris. :)
I might be wrong, but I don't recall Misunderstood appearing on the Bucharest DVD at all. Was that in the bonus content?Once again, my mistake. Given how often Misunderstood was played during that tour, I was certain that it had been included on that DVD, but surprisingly it wasn't played at either show.
I agree that the vocals are on the low side, which I can't explain. I double checked and I don't see any credits for mixing, so you might be right. However, I do find it a bit odd given the fact that starting in 2007 they went from recording everything on 2-track DAT to multi-track recordings. So why they wouldn't have properly mixed the music for this release is beyond me.in the case of the 2008 Fan Club CD, with properly mixed sound, just like an official release.That's not properly mixed. You can't even hear the vocals.
I have never been a bootleg guy, but a YouTube shuffle just gave me the demo versions of Distance Over Time. Barring the hi-hat, the mix sounds better than the original album. Kind of solidifies my opinion that Dream Theater should focus on the music and outsource the production. I'd be fine with the band paying JP to go on a European holiday during the mixing and mastering process.IIRC, it was the mastering that was the problem, and if you get the HD version of the album which I believe was included in the box set and art book versions, you'll notice that the recording is better. Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong since my old man memory seems to be failing me more than I thought! :facepalm:
In the grand scheme of things, it’s not a big deal. But the months of radio silence between October and whenever they announce summer tour dates would have been the perfect opportunity to drop a LNF release, maybe something from that YtseJam Records batch that MP teased he was working on when he left the band.
They will run out of MM pretty quick though since they always played the same setlists.
2011 Mangini warmup tour - Covered
ADTOE tour - Covered
DT12 tour - Covered
2015 festival tour - Covered minus a couple songs, particularly Behind the Veil
Astonishing - No official recordings
I&W and Beyond tour - Everything covered except A Change of Seasons
Distance Over Time tour - Covered, I think they got everything on the live release??
View tour - No official recordings
Dreamsonic - No official recordings
So if I'm not mistaken, that's only three tours that they haven't released anything from yet and a very small handful of odds and ends from other tours. I guess they could release demos as well, although I'm not sure how much of that is out there. And again, even if each album has demos (I doubt it), there are only five albums to pull demos from.
I hope all that stuff gets released eventually, although the well of MP era material is always going to be much deeper.
Beyond that, I'd love to see a 3CD release of the later leg of the SFAM tour after they stopped playing the entire album, or an early 6DOIT show before they started playing the entire suite in the 2nd half. The BC&SL warm up tour was also brilliant, I'd love a release of that. And the omission of ACOS from the I&W&Beyond show still rankles.
Let's be frank, anything. If they release it, I'll buy it.