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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: darkshade on April 29, 2021, 05:34:05 PM
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Simple question. If I don't want to support food being delivered to my house and would rather support local businesses, but refuse to wear a mask inside grocery stores, restaurants, or convenient stores, does the United States society let me starve to death because wearing a mask is for "the good of society"?
I say yes, because a lot of Americans are apathetic, stupid and scaredy cats over everything. The US government allows the kinds of food to be sold that cause cancer, they also allow cigarettes to be sold to the general public, despite the common knowledge that they kill half a million Americans every single year.
I think this is more philosophical that political and I can't post in the political section anyway. Just a weird thought that popped into my head.
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No. A whole lot of them would love to see it, but they'd be countered by an equal number of people who'd take care of you because you're their new hero.
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Would society let you starve? I have no idea. Why would you choose to starve?
I'm sure there's plenty of anti-mask folk that would love to take up a cause and get you food though. You'd be fine.
Would society let me starve if I refused to order in food and also refused to wear clothing? Probably.
I just wouldn't choose to starve I guess.
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Would society let you starve? I have no idea. Why would you choose to starve?
I'm sure there's plenty of anti-mask folk that would love to take up a cause and get you food though. You'd be fine.
Would society let me starve if I refused to order in food and also refused to wear clothing? Probably.
I just wouldn't choose to starve I guess.
If I did it and the situation went viral, wouldn't that inspire many more people to do the same?
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Would society let you starve? I have no idea. Why would you choose to starve?
I'm sure there's plenty of anti-mask folk that would love to take up a cause and get you food though. You'd be fine.
Would society let me starve if I refused to order in food and also refused to wear clothing? Probably.
I just wouldn't choose to starve I guess.
If I did it and the situation went viral, wouldn't that inspire many more people to do the same?
Eh, I dunno. You're basically doing a hunger strike. I think you need a rather big cause for that to rally a lot of sympathy. You'll get your Ted Nuget folk to back you up, but I can't imagine you'd cause some huge social movement or anything. I feel like most people are fine with having to wear a mask in a store for the time being. Plus the idea that you're literally choosing to starve by refusing to order food kind of takes some of the umph away from it. You know? Hunger strikes don't work as often as people may think, especially when your cause is "I don't like masks.." and there's no one who's job it is to take care of you (like a prison system).
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But essentially you’re asking would society allow you to choose to starve.
As Bart and I have said, some would support you but only if they already agree with you. The rest would just let you do your thing. It’d be an odd thing to choose.
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Here's my answer....
The homeless and bums.
Of course they'd let you starve, if not there'd be no homeless asking for food.
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Would society let you starve? I have no idea. Why would you choose to starve?
I'm sure there's plenty of anti-mask folk that would love to take up a cause and get you food though. You'd be fine.
Would society let me starve if I refused to order in food and also refused to wear clothing? Probably.
I just wouldn't choose to starve I guess.
If I did it and the situation went viral, wouldn't that inspire many more people to do the same?
Honestly most would either mock you or praise you from their couch. That's as far as we'd go.
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Apparently you can tell store clerks that you had plastic surgery done to your face and they have to make an exception for you not wearing a mask.
BTW this is not about being pro-mask or anti-mask, or about the efficiency of masks for covid19, especially for a population that has not been educated on proper usage of masks and proper disposal of used masks, so we don't need to devolve into talking about queue people or neo-Marxists here.
So far, I guess the answer is, "yes".
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Here's my answer....
The homeless and bums.
Of course they'd let you starve, if not there'd be no homeless asking for food.
I thought about that, but no one cares about them, not even Academy Award attendees. We're talking if someone not homeless with money and internet access did this.
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BTW this is not about being pro-mask or anti-mask, or about the efficiency of masks for covid19, especially for a population that has not been educated on proper usage of masks and proper disposal of used masks, so we don't need to devolve into talking about queue people or neo-Marxists here.
What is this thread about?
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BTW this is not about being pro-mask or anti-mask, or about the efficiency of masks for covid19, especially for a population that has not been educated on proper usage of masks and proper disposal of used masks, so we don't need to devolve into talking about queue people or neo-Marxists here.
What is this thread about?
People in the US have more power than they realize, and won't use it. I'm asking is would a hunger strike cause a chain reaction on mask outlook or would society care less?
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I kind of don't understand the question, really.
I can't speak for anyone else, but if you go on social media or the news and say "I'm not wearing a mask, even if I starve!", I'm letting you follow your own path. I'm not here to force you to eat, or force your behavior. If you're of age, competent, and of sound mind, I'm going to honor your rights as a human being to make your own choices.
Am I missing something?
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Here's my answer....
The homeless and bums.
Of course they'd let you starve, if not there'd be no homeless asking for food.
I thought about that, but no one cares about them, not even Academy Award attendees. We're talking if someone not homeless with money and internet access did this.
Then they'd starve. But most people are not heartless and will show some compassion. That is if that person is not an asshole all around. It all comes down to the character of the person and if people show that person compassion.
It's why people usually, go out and panhandle, because they use peoples emotional heartstrings by making them feel sympathy for being in the streets. I noticed a lot more of these type of people here where I live. And at times, instead of money, I've seen people give them food.
You wouldn't know anything about a person not being able to get food because of a mask....
But also, that depends on if the business actually cares enough. I know a few here that do not care at all. I seen people in businesses without masks and management does nothing about it. Even being helped, they don't bother telling people to mask up.
One story that a Restaurant Worker told me is...This man came into the store and realized he didn't have a mask. The worker told him, it's okay, and that they're not that concerned because you'll sit down and take it off anyways. Well, he was concerned so he went back to his ride, got his mask, came back inside, and told them..."Oh, I see you're empty, I just wanted to see if you guys were open." Then he walked out the door and left....I just said, ok, why did he even bother coming in if he was going to do that, he also already walked in without a mask, anyways.
Just thought I'd share that neat story from a worker at a restaurant that serves food.
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Apparently you can tell store clerks that you had plastic surgery done to your face and they have to make an exception for you not wearing a mask.
BTW this is not about being pro-mask or anti-mask, or about the efficiency of masks for covid19, especially for a population that has not been educated on proper usage of masks and proper disposal of used masks, so we don't need to devolve into talking about queue people or neo-Marxists here.
So far, I guess the answer is, "yes".
First off, there are any number or exceptions to the mask mandates.
Second off, yest it is about being pro- or anti-.
Third, so far the answer has been no. We all agree that other anti-maskers would take care of you.
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Forget masks, how long until society makes it extremely hard to live without proof of SARS-CoV-2 vaccination?
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You're a scaredy cat if you wear a mask but totally not if you're afraid of the little vaccine (the same one that all the senior citizens have already gotten by the way). That how this works?
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You're a scaredy cat if you wear a mask but totally not if you're afraid of the little vaccine (the same one that all the senior citizens have already gotten by the way). That how this works?
Some Americans are scared of loss of liberties in the US with a Constitution the country has. Just listen to Biden's speech from last night 4/28/2021
Some Americans are scared of experimental drugs without years-long testing being pushed on the public by VERY rich individuals.
That's not being a "scaredy cat".
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Then don't get it, if you're that scared.
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Then don't get it, if you're that scared.
but what if you can't enter an establishment, can't renew your driver's license, can't work or go to school without taking a vaccine that isn't mandated?
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Then you make a decision. Be homeless or get the vaccine.
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Then you make a decision. Be homeless or get the vaccine.
So the CDC is wrong? "Most people who get sick from SARS-CoV-2 wear masks often." or however it's worded.
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Then you make a decision. Be homeless or get the vaccine.
Which then relays into my Homeless and Bum response...
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You're a scaredy cat if you wear a mask but totally not if you're afraid of the little vaccine (the same one that all the senior citizens have already gotten by the way). That how this works?
Some Americans are scared of loss of liberties in the US with a Constitution the country has.
Then they presumably wouldn't have a problem with the government allowing you to starve yourself to death rather than force-feeding you. Mind you the right to off yourself has always been a thorny issue for the 'respect muh freedoms' crowd so if nothing else it'd be interesting to see how they'd react to your experiment. "I demand you keep this person alive against his will in the name of his fight for personal liberty and freedom of choice!"
Odd thread to be honest, I've taken a few passes at it and I'm still not completely sure what the question is.
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My grandpa was at the atomic bomb testing site and sick the rest of his very long life from the radiation exposure (the LotR quote about Bilbo being "well preserved" fits him well).
Compared to other generations throughout history, mine has been asked to do very little in terms of civic duty or public sacrifice. So I got the shot, I'll accept the extremely marginal risk that something bad happens to me as a result because making sure this pandemic is not as deadly and lingering as other deadly pandemics this species has experienced is worth it to me. I also just want this whole thing to be over as soon as possible.
By the way, the vaccine might be new, but the risk associated with something you're putting in your body is probably way more common than you realize. If it's not the vaccine, it's the food, if it's not the food, it's the water, if it's not the water, it's the air. And so on. You could really go crazy thinking about it all and honestly you sound like you might be getting there. Maybe you should seek professional mental help.
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You're a scaredy cat if you wear a mask but totally not if you're afraid of the little vaccine (the same one that all the senior citizens have already gotten by the way). That how this works?
Some Americans are scared of loss of liberties in the US with a Constitution the country has.
Then they presumably wouldn't have a problem with the government allowing you to starve yourself to death rather than force-feeding you. Mind you the right to off yourself has always been a thorny issue for the 'respect muh freedoms' crowd so if nothing else it'd be interesting to see how they'd react to your experiment. "I demand you keep this person alive against his will in the name of his fight for personal liberty and freedom of choice!"
Odd thread to be honest, I've taken a few passes at it and I'm still not completely sure what the question is.
It’s an anti-mask/general response to covid thread. That’s all. The veil of a philosophical question is thin at best.
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Yeah I figured that much from the off but it was the suggestion that this was a 'philosophical' question that threw me. So far all it's really made me ponder is IF - and it's a big if -a person were to actually starve himself to death as a protest against wearing masks, would I nominate him for the Darwin Award over the guy who blew his nuts right up through his skull while juggling live grenades? Right now I'm not sure, I need to mull it over a bit more.
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Then you make a decision. Be homeless or get the vaccine.
So the CDC is wrong? "Most people who get sick from SARS-CoV-2 wear masks often." or however it's worded.
This isn't about the CDC. You asked about schools and food shopping which can still ask you to wear a mask in their establishments.
I hate masks. I hope we get to a point we don't have to. But if a place says to get in you must wear a mask, I will.
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This is a weird thread.
Plenty of places allow you to go in without a mask even though they are "required." Target and Walmart do not enforce it. Both because they understand that some people are incapable of wearing one and because they don't want to cause a dangerous situation with angry people who refuse to wear one. Maybe there are some areas of the country where you literally can't enter any store without one, but that is not my experience here in a pretty pro mask area.
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You could always grow your own food. Why rely on anyone else at all? And hey the CDC says you can be outside without a mask on, so win/win.
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I feel like threads that probably belong in P/R keep finding their way into GD.
Here’s my take on the masks: even if the masks don’t help, they don’t hurt either so what’s the harm in wearing them?
As for the question at hand, I offer a counter-question: are you willing to starve for the sake of making a statement?
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I hope that the next future disaster is gonna be acid rain, just to enjoy the marvellous show of seeing people whining and bitching about umbrellas and waterproof coats.
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There's a nugget takeaway buried in this thread. Identification for the vaccinated vs non-vaccinated. What, if anything will it be? And depending on how long this pandemic lasts, the non-vaccinated may be shunned and prevented from a multitude of freedoms the vaccinated segment enjoys. "Show me your mark please. Ok, you can come in. Next! Where's your mark?...Get outta here! You're not allowed!"
**This post was exaggerated for effect**
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^ Sounds a lot like, "Your papers, please. Show me your papers."
Jews were called "diseased" in Germany in the lead up to the Holocaust.
https://perspectives.ushmm.org/item/jews-are-lice-they-cause-typhus (https://perspectives.ushmm.org/item/jews-are-lice-they-cause-typhus)
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I don't think that will happen with the government but I do think private businesses will do something like that for a time.
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Did we just mention the systematic extermination of jews from a brutal and idiotic regime with a hardon for race purity while discussing the possibility to keep somehow trace of who gets vaccinated during a pandemic and therefore is not anymore a potential danger to other persons they interact with?
Not everything is a slippery slope, let's keep real folks.
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OP is a very scared person who is deeply frightened of the world around him and should seek professional help regarding his fears and paranoias. Not sure anyone of us can help here.
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OP is a very scared person who is deeply frightened of the world around him and should seek professional help regarding his fears and paranoias. Not sure anyone of us can help here.
Is that your professional, expert opinion? The OP wasn't asking for help.
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OP is a very scared person who is deeply frightened of the world around him and should seek professional help regarding his fears and paranoias. Not sure anyone of us can help here.
Is that your professional, expert opinion? The OP wasn't asking for help.
Either the medical question about the safety of the vaccines or the pattern of fear and paranoia demonstrated in the other thread should be addressed by a professional, in the form case medical, and in the latter case psychological.
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Yeah, I don't think we need to psychoanalyze someone just because they might take a different position than us; there's enough of that on Twitter for god's sake.
Most of this is going to work itself out. 95% of the time, it's going to be a choice; what matters to me more, showing my vaxx papers, or having that Tito's in that particular bar? There's going to be places that care, there's going to be places that don't give a rat's ass, and the particles (the people) are going to sort themselves out. Me? I'm trying to find a lanyard or a pin from an old conference - you know what I mean; that plastic covering that your name tag goes into at a work function - and hell yeah, I'm putting my vaxx card in there. I'm wearing it like a backstage pass, m-----f------s. Your mileage may vary, and that's how "free" populations of 330 million people with the right of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" work.
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Did we just mention the systematic extermination of jews from a brutal and idiotic regime with a hardon for race purity while discussing the possibility to keep somehow trace of who gets vaccinated during a pandemic and therefore is not anymore a potential danger to other persons they interact with?
Not everything is a slippery slope, let's keep real folks.
So it's only socially acceptable to compare Trump to Nazis, but not other politicians and bureaucrats?
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Did we just mention the systematic extermination of jews from a brutal and idiotic regime with a hardon for race purity while discussing the possibility to keep somehow trace of who gets vaccinated during a pandemic and therefore is not anymore a potential danger to other persons they interact with?
It's only ever a matter of time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
As for the OP, I'm still not clear on the issue. Or rather his position on it. Given this whole hunger strike thing is part of a crusade for personal liberty then it seems to me he should WANT society and the government to not give a shit if he chooses to do it. This ought to be his ideal scenario:
OP: "I'm going to starve myself to death in protest at being forced to wear a mask!"
Everyone else: "You do that champ"
Yet he seems to want people to step in; to create a "chain reaction" as he put it. It's the oddest pro-freedom idea I've ever come across. I can respect if not agree with hesitation about vaccines but the 'thought experiment' in the original post is uneccesarily confusing. When Americans are talking about America as if it's an authoritarian police state I think you're taking a shitload for granted.
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Yeah, I don't think we need to psychoanalyze someone just because they might take a different position than us; there's enough of that on Twitter for god's sake.
Telling someone they seem like they need help =/= psychoanalyzing. darkshade seems like has is suffering from a lot of fears about the world around him that do not seem founded and only professional help (both of the medical and psychological variety) (rather than, you know, guys on a Dream Theater forum) could help him untangle all of the information he has found fueling this on the far corners of the internet.
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Yeah, I don't think we need to psychoanalyze someone just because they might take a different position than us; there's enough of that on Twitter for god's sake.
Most of this is going to work itself out. 95% of the time, it's going to be a choice; what matters to me more, showing my vaxx papers, or having that Tito's in that particular bar? There's going to be places that care, there's going to be places that don't give a rat's ass, and the particles (the people) are going to sort themselves out. Me? I'm trying to find a lanyard or a pin from an old conference - you know what I mean; that plastic covering that your name tag goes into at a work function - and hell yeah, I'm putting my vaxx card in there. I'm wearing it like a backstage pass, m-----f------s. Your mileage may vary, and that's how "free" populations of 330 million people with the right of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" work.
https://www.amazon.com/Pack-Immunization-Vaccination-Waterproof-Resealable/dp/B092DB3W6Q/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=J0P0RWHXPX0D&dchild=1&keywords=vaccine+card+holder+3x4&qid=1619788974&sprefix=vaccine%2Caps%2C162&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExUUdKVkYyMkVQQVhaJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMjcxMjc4M05OMEQ2UzVDQzlZNyZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMDI4MDU1TTI0OFdRQjhLVFgxJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==
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Dave, we live in a world of extremes where rumors seem to be taken for truths. The reality always lands in the gray but each side seems to live in the black and white only. I feel like I'm in the minority these days.
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Yeah, I don't think we need to psychoanalyze someone just because they might take a different position than us; there's enough of that on Twitter for god's sake.
Telling someone they seem like they need help =/= psychoanalyzing. darkshade seems like has is suffering from a lot of fears about the world around him that do not seem founded and only professional help (both of the medical and psychological variety) (rather than, you know, guys on a Dream Theater forum) could help him untangle all of the information he has found fueling this on the far corners of the internet.
If I feared anything, I would get the vaccine.
Low IQ people resort to name calling or bully tactics when they disagree with what they see and read.
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Yeah, I don't think we need to psychoanalyze someone just because they might take a different position than us; there's enough of that on Twitter for god's sake.
Telling someone they seem like they need help =/= psychoanalyzing. darkshade seems like has is suffering from a lot of fears about the world around him that do not seem founded and only professional help (both of the medical and psychological variety) (rather than, you know, guys on a Dream Theater forum) could help him untangle all of the information he has found fueling this on the far corners of the internet.
If I feared anything, I would get the vaccine.
Low IQ people resort to name calling or bully tactics when they disagree with what they see and read.
I have done nothing but say that you seem scared, and that you should seek professional help (talk to a doctor about the vaccine, maybe talk to a psychologist about all your fears). That is not "name calling".
But you've just called me an "low IQ person". So, there you go. But, like I said, don't ask us. Ask a professional.
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Yeah, I don't think we need to psychoanalyze someone just because they might take a different position than us; there's enough of that on Twitter for god's sake.
Telling someone they seem like they need help =/= psychoanalyzing. darkshade seems like has is suffering from a lot of fears about the world around him that do not seem founded and only professional help (both of the medical and psychological variety) (rather than, you know, guys on a Dream Theater forum) could help him untangle all of the information he has found fueling this on the far corners of the internet.
If I feared anything, I would get the vaccine.
Low IQ people resort to name calling or bully tactics when they disagree with what they see and read.
I have done nothing but say that you seem scared, and that you should seek professional help (talk to a doctor about the vaccine, maybe talk to a psychologist about all your fears). That is not "name calling".
But you've just called me an "low IQ person". So, there you go. But, like I said, don't ask us. Ask a professional.
You've said everything but "idiot" in so many words. I didn't call you a low IQ person, I said that is what people with a low IQ tend to do.
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OK. Now go talk to a professional who can help you untangle all this information you've found.
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It's not society letting you starve, it's individual businesses expressing their freedom of choice in how they want to protect themselves, their employees and clientele. Restaurants not allowing you in barefoot or with Fifi your emotional support chihuahua isn't restricting your freedom, it's them protecting the health of their food, their kitchen, and in the end your dining experience
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It's not society letting you starve, it's individual businesses expressing their freedom of choice in how they want to protect themselves, their employees and clientele. Restaurants not allowing you in barefoot or with Fifi your emotional support chihuahua isn't restricting your freedom, it's them protecting the health of their food, their kitchen, and in the end your dining experience
:clap:
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It's not society letting you starve, it's individual businesses expressing their freedom of choice in how they want to protect themselves, their employees and clientele. Restaurants not allowing you in barefoot or with Fifi your emotional support chihuahua isn't restricting your freedom, it's them protecting the health of their food, their kitchen, and in the end your dining experience
I would like to add that these same businesses are highly regulated either at a federal or local level for restaurants. Some cities have strict no smoking laws within certain establishments. Do you see smokers grumbling about personal freedoms? Want your kid to go to school? Get them vaccinated although there are some ridiculous exceptions. How about seat belt laws?
In Darkshade's example and he doesn't want to wear a mask, I say - 'Tear yo ass' and I will move on and if you get sick, I would yawn and move on.
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Yeah, smokers are the best example. I mean, I don't smoke, never have, never will, I don't understand how kids today can start to smoke while they're being told how dangerous it is and seeing how it's being forbidden everywhere.
But it was not always like that. I'm not-young enough to have lived in the times when you went to the pub and there was a cloud inside and you came home with your freshly worn clothes STINKING. Then 20 years ago or so we told smokers "You can't smoke inside, go outside and if it's winter, wear a coat, not my problem".
And what did smokers do? THEY ROLLED WITH IT. No protests, no freedoms stolen, no marches, no complaints, no defying acts of "civil disobedience". They took their coats and went outside to smoke in the cold.
Learn from smokers.
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Simple question.
No, it's not.
If I don't want to support food being delivered to my house and would rather support local businesses, but refuse to wear a mask inside grocery stores, restaurants, or convenient stores, does the United States society let me starve to death because wearing a mask is for "the good of society"?
Depends on what you're willing to do against it, I suppose.
I say yes, because a lot of Americans are apathetic, stupid and scaredy cats over everything. The US government allows the kinds of food to be sold that cause cancer, they also allow cigarettes to be sold to the general public, despite the common knowledge that they kill half a million Americans every single year.
Yes, and? If it's common knowledge that cigarettes kill you, then don't smoke. It's not that difficult there. The main take-away here is the first sentence though. What exactly makes you think Americans are apathetic, stupid and scared?
I think this is more philosophical that political and I can't post in the political section anyway. Just a weird thought that popped into my head.
You know there's this thread where you can grant permission to post in P/R, right? It's a weird thought indeed.
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Dude, if you'd rather not eat than wear a mask, then fucking starve. It's your body, so you make the choices for it that you can. Get pierced, get tattooed, get malnourished, go crazy. You do you, boo.
Meanwhile, on the advice of my medical professional, I got the vaccine and will continue to wear a mask in appropriate situations.
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Yeah, smokers are the best example. I mean, I don't smoke, never have, never will, I don't understand how kids today can start to smoke while they're being told how dangerous it is and seeing how it's being forbidden everywhere.
But it was not always like that. I'm not-young enough to have lived in the times when you went to the pub and there was a cloud inside and you came home with your freshly worn clothes STINKING. Then 20 years ago or so we told smokers "You can't smoke inside, go outside and if it's winter, wear a coat, not my problem".
And what did smokers do? THEY ROLLED WITH IT. No protests, no freedoms stolen, no marches, no complaints, no defying acts of "civil disobedience". They took their coats and went outside to smoke in the cold.
Learn from smokers.
I don't think it's relevant to this particular aspect of the conversation, but it's important to note that smokers CAN still smoke, and there are bars - McGlinchey's in Philly comes to mind - that are full smoking bars, and regulate their food sales (the criteria in Philly) to maintain that status. The difference is that there's a different feel to the vaccines; I don't know if it's because smoking has been around for a long time, or that we all know someone who has or does smoke, but there's far less vitriol and judgment when it comes to smoking. I don't see "IQ" coming up in too many conversations about smoking.
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There's also zero consideration or respect being shown for the low wage workers who are in the unenviable position of enforcing mask mandates, and as someone who has done just that in their second job, I can tell you I'd just as soon see you run face first into the business end of a fast moving truck. I don't fucking care about your freedom, they pay me 15/hr to tell you to put on a mask. I'm not the man, I'm not oppressing you, I'm just doing a fucking job. Just fucking do it and get the fuck over yourself.
Your not that fucking important. Nobody cares..
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Then you make a decision. Be homeless or get the vaccine.
So the CDC is wrong? "Most people who get sick from SARS-CoV-2 wear masks often." or however it's worded.
Masks don't provide much protection to the wearer, they protect other people FROM the wearer.
Good lord it's been a full year now, how do people still not understand this point?
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If the Government really cared about your life, they wouldn't let you die from starvation rather than the sickness.
To me, what is damn interesting about this is who got richer...and knowing this world is a businesses, these high businesses just made a ton of money off these vaccines, tests, and the demanded supplies. Yet, other businesses we're forced to shut down and stop doing business, many from people that started up their own businesses. The small man got screwed by the big companies big time.
And it's what led to lawsuits here in my State.
The government is only there to keep order of the people. It's why there's laws, rules and order in every government and nation. That's just how our human society works. It's why I also say, there hasn't been a melting pot of many cultures, traditions, and people living in one nation. This is a humanity first since a long while. We have societies beginning to quarrel for control and power of the nation. And when the once majority becomes obsolete, the power struggle begins over who will reign.
The constitution has laws and rules that are meant for all, any man, because in those times, the term "Man" was a shortened term for "Human". It had nothing to do with gender. When you look at past documents you have to remember what the words meant at the time because words do not mean the same as they once did. Like the word Fag.
But I understand what Darkshade is saying, even if I don't fully agree with him, I get it.
Whats funny though is I knew what the responses would be and how it'd end up, because it happens in every damn thing that something like this is even questioned or brought up. And that's the issue some people have with even bringing up a simple question, or even a thought someone might have.
If people think it's stupid, rather than ignoring it, and focusing on the question, they go into personal attacks. That is just human behavior.
But I will say, all this reaction has happened before when the shit hits the fan. People will stay and watch what happens and then die, or people will leave and end up dying. No matter what people die, it's inevitable.
For one, I do not think Darkshade is scared at all. He is just concerned, and those concerns are not what the majority has concerns about. But people are different and in this melting pot will not have the same concerns as others in the nation.
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For one, I do not think Darkshade is scared at all. He is just concerned, and those concerns are not what the majority has concerns about. But people are different and in this melting pot will not have the same concerns as others in the nation.
"Concerns" get brought up with your medical professionals. Don't like what one is telling you, or feel like they're not adequately answering your questions? Get a 2nd opinion, or a 3rd. Talk to as many experts as you need to in order to have all your questions answered so that you can make the right decision for you.
"Fears" get addressed by falling into a rabbit hole of fringe websites and voices and clogging your ears to anything that's not already sucking you into the vacuum.
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Then you make a decision. Be homeless or get the vaccine.
So the CDC is wrong? "Most people who get sick from SARS-CoV-2 wear masks often." or however it's worded.
Masks don't provide much protection to the wearer, they protect other people FROM the wearer.
Good lord it's been a full year now, how do people still not understand this point?
The mask also goes over your nose.
The frustration is real.
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Then you make a decision. Be homeless or get the vaccine.
So the CDC is wrong? "Most people who get sick from SARS-CoV-2 wear masks often." or however it's worded.
Masks don't provide much protection to the wearer, they protect other people FROM the wearer.
Good lord it's been a full year now, how do people still not understand this point?
The mask also goes over your nose.
The frustration is real.
I like the joke that I saw going around on the web, something like "We made a mess of the apocalypse in easy mode, no way we're ready for zombies or aliens" :lol
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Then you make a decision. Be homeless or get the vaccine.
So the CDC is wrong? "Most people who get sick from SARS-CoV-2 wear masks often." or however it's worded.
Masks don't provide much protection to the wearer, they protect other people FROM the wearer.
Good lord it's been a full year now, how do people still not understand this point?
The mask also goes over your nose.
The frustration is real.
Haha; that's a pet peeve of mine as well. Wear it or not, but if you choose to wear it, WEAR IT.
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Simple question. If I don't want to support food being delivered to my house and would rather support local businesses, but refuse to wear a mask inside grocery stores, restaurants, or convenient stores, does the United States society let me starve to death because wearing a mask is for "the good of society"?
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I think this is more philosophical. . . .
Ok...my philosophical response is that, for the good of the human species, morons should be allowed to die. How's that?
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There is an issue with the masks though...that is pollution. There's so many people throwing their masks on the ground and it's causing Ocean Pollution...
Plastic consumption, which has been steadily rising for years, increased significantly as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic.
“Hygiene concerns and greater reliance on take-away food has led to increased use of plastics, particularly plastic packaging,” says Gary Stokes, Director of Operations of OceansAsia. “Meanwhile, a number of measures designed to reduce plastic consumption, like single-use plastic bag bans, have been delayed, paused, or rolled back.”
The use of PPE, in particular face masks, has become a common tool used in preventing the spread of the virus, with many jurisdictions mandating the wearing of masks in public. The production of PPE has expanded in an attempt to meet skyrocketing demand, and PPE waste has also increased dramatically.
Single-use face masks are made from a variety of meltblown plastics and are difficult to recycle due to both composition and risk of contamination and infection. They enter oceans when they are littered, when waste management systems are inadequate or non-existent, or when these systems become overwhelmed due to increased volumes of waste.
https://oceansasia.org/covid-19-facemasks/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/disposable-mask-pollution-poses-risk-for-coastal-bend-marine-life/vi-BB1cNw5p
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There is an issue with the masks though...that is pollution.
This is not a mask issue, it's a people issue. Come on now.
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Then you make a decision. Be homeless or get the vaccine.
So the CDC is wrong? "Most people who get sick from SARS-CoV-2 wear masks often." or however it's worded.
Masks don't provide much protection to the wearer, they protect other people FROM the wearer.
Good lord it's been a full year now, how do people still not understand this point?
The mask also goes over your nose.
The frustration is real.
I like the joke that I saw going around on the web, something like "We made a mess of the apocalypse in easy mode, no way we're ready for zombies or aliens" :lol
:rollin :rollin So fucking true
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Simple question. If I don't want to support food being delivered to my house and would rather support local businesses, but refuse to wear a mask inside grocery stores, restaurants, or convenient stores, does the United States society let me starve to death because wearing a mask is for "the good of society"?
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I think this is more philosophical. . . .
Ok...my philosophical response is that, for the good of the human species, morons should be allowed to die. How's that?
Well, of course, and that moron could die many different ways because they're a moron.
Doesn't do much for society either though, other than they're a moron.
But that's also, not ignorance, because to be a moron, you have to know the consequences and know the risks, yet still do it anyways. Many people whom take these extreme risks for fun, could be considered morons if they die, but if they survive, are they morons or just wild.
Ignorance is not knowing the risks or consequences, because you do not know, that swimming with sharks you become their food or swimming in a river can suck you in and easily drown you.
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There is an issue with the masks though...that is pollution.
This is not a mask issue, it's a people issue. Come on now.
Since it's a people issue. How can you expect people to abide by rules and laws and other things when people are horrible that they don't realize their actions affect the environment, all our actions affect the world and in turn it affects us.
What we are doing to the environment and earth and depleting these resources causes the Earth to become sick and in turn we becomes sick. It's a living entity and when organisms are sick, their immune systems fight off the cause of the sickness. To Me, this could be the world trying to rid itself of the virus, and that virus is Man.
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There is an issue with the masks though...that is pollution.
This is not a mask issue, it's a people issue. Come on now.
Since it's a people issue. How can you expect people to abide by rules and laws and other things when people are horrible that they don't realize their actions affect the environment, all our actions affect the world and in turn it affects us.
What we are doing to the environment and earth and depleting these resources causes the Earth to become sick and in turn we becomes sick. It's a living entity and when organisms are sick, their immune systems fight of the cause of the sickness. To Me, this could be the world trying to rid itself of the virus, and that virus is Man.
Improving the education system.
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There is an issue with the masks though...that is pollution.
This is not a mask issue, it's a people issue. Come on now.
Since it's a people issue. How can you expect people to abide by rules and laws and other things when people are horrible that they don't realize their actions affect the environment, all our actions affect the world and in turn it affects us.
What we are doing to the environment and earth and depleting these resources causes the Earth to become sick and in turn we becomes sick. It's a living entity and when organisms are sick, their immune systems fight of the cause of the sickness. To Me, this could be the world trying to rid itself of the virus, and that virus is Man.
Improving the education system.
How about listening to the humans that know and understand about Nature and The Environment.
We Natives knew these things, many indigenous peoples of the world know this.
This is how ignorant and uneducated American People really are. They really don't know anything about Nature and what is in it. Most can't even be left alone in the mountains, they'll easily succumb to Nature, either by it's Environment, Weather, Animals and even Plants by eating the wrong ones. In turn, the ignorance has caused disrespect for Nature and everything that's in it.
If Nature was respected, we wouldn't be putting all this crap into the air, the oceans, and the Earth.
But Greed, is a really nasty thing, and it doesn't just involve money. The human Greed of Nature is what caused Global Warming to accelerate, and caused sicknesses to emerge. Because the things the Earth uses to heal us, is either depleted or destroyed.
We need trees to breathe, yet how many trees have we destroyed and how much oxygen have we lost due to this...
How much pollution is in the air, that makes us unable to breathe?
How much is In our foods that make us unhealthy to be able to breathe on our own?
All these are caused by us Humans.
It's why, I am not blaming anyone if I do catch Covid. I will blame myself, because I did not do anything to help me prevent myself from catching it. I am not going to blame someone else because I got sick. I never have blamed anyone for getting me sick. Because I don't really know for sure if they did give me the sickness or I just caught it some other way, like getting Chlamydia by getting pissed on by a Koala.
The fear is not knowing how you catch the sickness, and people do not want to feel shitty, regardless of what type of illness it is. I respect that.
But, also, people are also capable of not fearing things and putting on a brave face. Not everyone fears the same things. Not everyone fears this virus.
And the media enjoys and feeds off peoples Fears and Emotions, which the ignorant and gullible will end up feeding into.
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There's also zero consideration or respect being shown for the low wage workers who are in the unenviable position of enforcing mask mandates, and as someone who has done just that in their second job, I can tell you I'd just as soon see you run face first into the business end of a fast moving truck. I don't fucking care about your freedom, they pay me 15/hr to tell you to put on a mask. I'm not the man, I'm not oppressing you, I'm just doing a fucking job. Just fucking do it and get the fuck over yourself.
Your not that fucking important. Nobody cares..
THIS x1000 + Infinity fucking cubed :tup
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It's not society letting you starve, it's individual businesses expressing their freedom of choice in how they want to protect themselves, their employees and clientele. Restaurants not allowing you in barefoot or with Fifi your emotional support chihuahua isn't restricting your freedom, it's them protecting the health of their food, their kitchen, and in the end your dining experience
There's also zero consideration or respect being shown for the low wage workers who are in the unenviable position of enforcing mask mandates, and as someone who has done just that in their second job, I can tell you I'd just as soon see you run face first into the business end of a fast moving truck. I don't fucking care about your freedom, they pay me 15/hr to tell you to put on a mask. I'm not the man, I'm not oppressing you, I'm just doing a fucking job. Just fucking do it and get the fuck over yourself.
Your not that fucking important. Nobody cares..
Bingo!
Then you make a decision. Be homeless or get the vaccine.
So the CDC is wrong? "Most people who get sick from SARS-CoV-2 wear masks often." or however it's worded.
Masks don't provide much protection to the wearer, they protect other people FROM the wearer.
Good lord it's been a full year now, how do people still not understand this point?
This is because people in general choose to be ignorant. And when someone tries to educate them, they cry about "muh freedoms!" And this seems to mainly be a problem in America. But I will stop here before I get too far into the political weeds.
The takeaway is, if you are going into a public indoor place that requires you to wear a mask, just wear it! Quit being a big baby.
Speaking of babies, going on a hunger strike because you refuse to wear a mask in a store or use takeout/delivery services for food, sounds a lot like a toddler throwing a tantrum when they don't get their way. If you're an adult, perhaps you should act like one...........but I digress....
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Kudos to everyone here for being a lot more blunt than I was willing to be. It makes me more open to actually speaking my mind. A pandemic is not the time to make a statement, especially a statement fueled by ignorance towards a global crisis that has killed millions of people. I work with disabled adults. We lost ten of our individuals as well as the owner of our company to this virus. This pandemic is bigger than you. Shut up and put on your mask.
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Kudos to everyone here for being a lot more blunt than I was willing to be. It makes me more open to actually speaking my mind. A pandemic is not the time to make a statement, especially a statement fueled by ignorance towards a global crisis that has killed millions of people. I work with disabled adults. We lost ten of our individuals as well as the owner of our company to this virus. Shut up and put on your fucking mask.
That's got to be hard man, hopefully the worst is behind you bud.
I'm usually a bit more diplomatic, but I had a near run in with a few at the store last night, two ladies just straight up flaunting it. They had masks, with "MY BODY NO CHOICE" written on them in Sharpie pen, and they were hanging on their chin as opposed to being worn proper. It was late, I had already put in 13 hours on the day, and had zero desire to deal with these cunts. But this shit happens almost daily at the store (it's a whole foods btw), and it's just fucking exhausting man.
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Kudos to everyone here for being a lot more blunt than I was willing to be. It makes me more open to actually speaking my mind. A pandemic is not the time to make a statement, especially a statement fueled by ignorance towards a global crisis that has killed millions of people. I work with disabled adults. We lost ten of our individuals as well as the owner of our company to this virus. Shut up and put on your fucking mask.
That's got to be hard man, hopefully the worst is behind you bud.
I'm usually a bit more diplomatic, but I had a near run in with a few at the store last night, two ladies just straight up flaunting it. They had masks, with "MY BODY NO CHOICE" written on them in Sharpie pen, and they were hanging on their chin as opposed to being worn proper. It was late, I had already put in 13 hours on the day, and had zero desire to deal with these cunts. But this shit happens almost daily at the store (it's a whole foods btw), and it's just fucking exhausting man.
I try to be diplomatic, but that gets harder every day. I try to avoid discussing political issues, but when one is right in front of my face and it’s what I think of as more of a moral issue, I tend to get a bit heated. It’s the sole reason why I don’t go anywhere near P/R as I like these forums and don’t really want to get banned.
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Kudos to everyone here for being a lot more blunt than I was willing to be. It makes me more open to actually speaking my mind. A pandemic is not the time to make a statement, especially a statement fueled by ignorance towards a global crisis that has killed millions of people. I work with disabled adults. We lost ten of our individuals as well as the owner of our company to this virus. Shut up and put on your fucking mask.
That's got to be hard man, hopefully the worst is behind you bud.
I'm usually a bit more diplomatic, but I had a near run in with a few at the store last night, two ladies just straight up flaunting it. They had masks, with "MY BODY NO CHOICE" written on them in Sharpie pen, and they were hanging on their chin as opposed to being worn proper. It was late, I had already put in 13 hours on the day, and had zero desire to deal with these cunts. But this shit happens almost daily at the store (it's a whole foods btw), and it's just fucking exhausting man.
I try to be diplomatic, but that gets harder every day. I try to avoid discussing political issues, but when one is right in front of my face and it’s what I think of as more of a moral issue, I tend to get a bit heated. It’s the sole reason why I don’t go anywhere near P/R as I like these forums and don’t really want to get banned.
And PR here is really mild compared to elsewhere, with intelligent and only semi polarized discussions lol
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How about listening to the humans that know and understand about Nature and The Environment.
We Natives knew these things, many indigenous peoples of the world know this.
This is how ignorant and uneducated American People really are. They really don't know anything about Nature and what is in it. Most can't even be left alone in the mountains, they'll easily succumb to Nature, either by it's Environment, Weather, Animals and even Plants by eating the wrong ones. In turn, the ignorance has caused disrespect for Nature and everything that's in it.
If Nature was respected, we wouldn't be putting all this crap into the air, the oceans, and the Earth.
But Greed, is a really nasty thing, and it doesn't just involve money. The human Greed of Nature is what caused Global Warming to accelerate, and caused sicknesses to emerge. Because the things the Earth uses to heal us, is either depleted or destroyed.
We need trees to breathe, yet how many trees have we destroyed and how much oxygen have we lost due to this...
How much pollution is in the air, that makes us unable to breathe?
How much is In our foods that make us unhealthy to be able to breathe on our own?
You act like Native Americans are immune from this. You mean to tell me the Indian Casinos run on...the sun? Their food is grown out back behind the parking garage?
I saw UFO at Mohegan Sun 2 years ago and got choked out by cigarette smoke. The food they served...fucking crap. Deep fried high calorie. Why didn't they serve me grains of the earth and leafy greens? Because they wanted my money.
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:lol
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The Native American question is interesting to me and I haven't been sure how to respond to Benjamin with proper sensitivity. But aren't the native Americans one of the hardest groups hit here? I have seen several tribal leaders on TV urging people to get the vaccine. Studies such as the one below don't inspire a lot of confidence:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6949a3.htm
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They hide all the good shit from the white man Tim. :lol
I would too from you. :biggrin:
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So my joke killed the internet? :lol
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You called me a white man. I'm European American.
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You are Maiden American.
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I thought he was Dokken American.
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Oh boy, here we go now.. :lol
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How about listening to the humans that know and understand about Nature and The Environment.
We Natives knew these things, many indigenous peoples of the world know this.
This is how ignorant and uneducated American People really are. They really don't know anything about Nature and what is in it. Most can't even be left alone in the mountains, they'll easily succumb to Nature, either by it's Environment, Weather, Animals and even Plants by eating the wrong ones. In turn, the ignorance has caused disrespect for Nature and everything that's in it.
If Nature was respected, we wouldn't be putting all this crap into the air, the oceans, and the Earth.
But Greed, is a really nasty thing, and it doesn't just involve money. The human Greed of Nature is what caused Global Warming to accelerate, and caused sicknesses to emerge. Because the things the Earth uses to heal us, is either depleted or destroyed.
We need trees to breathe, yet how many trees have we destroyed and how much oxygen have we lost due to this...
How much pollution is in the air, that makes us unable to breathe?
How much is In our foods that make us unhealthy to be able to breathe on our own?
You act like Native Americans are immune from this. You mean to tell me the Indian Casinos run on...the sun? Their food is grown out back behind the parking garage?
I saw UFO at Mohegan Sun 2 years ago and got choked out by cigarette smoke. The food they served...fucking crap. Deep fried high calorie. Why didn't they serve me grains of the earth and leafy greens? Because they wanted my money.
:rollin
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No. Kip American.
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No. Kip American.
How do I become a citizen?
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No. Kip American.
How do I become a citizen?
You must pass through the Promised Land first.
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No. Kip American.
How do I become a citizen?
I changed my personal text weeks ago just for you and you never even noticed! ;D
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No. Kip American.
How do I become a citizen?
A centerfold spread, Tim approved.
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Whenever I stroll up to a store that has one of those 'No Shirt. No Shoes. No Service' signs, I immediately give them the finger and walk away. How dare they expect me to wear one, possibly two coverings over my feet? No way man. I want to shop barefoot and shirtless. They think I am going to put a small piece of fabric over my face? That's infringing on my 'Murican Liberties!
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Whenever I stroll up to a store that has one of those 'No Shirt. No Shoes. No Service' signs, I immediately give them the finger and walk away. How dare they expect me to wear one, possibly two coverings over my feet? No way man. I want to shop barefoot and shirtless. They think I am going to put a small piece of fabric over my face? That's infringing on my 'Murican Liberties!
You must be giving the finger to a lot of stores these days :neverusethis:
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The Native American question is interesting to me and I haven't been sure how to respond to Benjamin with proper sensitivity. But aren't the native Americans one of the hardest groups hit here? I have seen several tribal leaders on TV urging people to get the vaccine. Studies such as the one below don't inspire a lot of confidence:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6949a3.htm
I first want to say I am not at all offended by what was said. And no offense was taken. It's a sensitive topic and one I am willing to take the hits on.
Yes, we are, because of these conditions a lot of us have. And I have posted about some reasons why we do have such a high rate of this. It's why our leaders are doing what they are doing and shut down access to our reservations, anyone not a member of the tribe is considered trespassing, no exceptions.
And TAC, that was a great response. I found it funny.
We are human just the same, and I know darn well we aren't immune to this or any sicknesses. No race is immune. Even the animals are not immune to sicknesses and diseases, even Plants.
What we did have were herbs. And what we ate was what we grew ourselves. That was how we lived and how we would have continued to live if not for what history tells.
We were healthy people, and sustained ourselves quite well. It wasn't until we became slave laborers when we started to become malnourished and exposed to the sicknesses that were brought here by the Europeans. The only way we really succumbed was because of the conditions we we're forced into because of the enslavement, the destruction of the land, and the disruption of our way of life in general.
All these things contribute to why our peoples rates are high for these conditions.
It's only until now that our people are finally able to do what we can to bring that way of living back again. Some of us are eating healthier diets, some are changing their diets and finding out that simple change helped them heal way more than the quick fix of the drug or herb.
The point of the herbs and remedies are to ease the pain. There is no cure, but there are things we humans can do for ourselves that work. A simple diet change does work.
We are also not immune to corruption and that is where I have issues with a lot of things our leaders and our people do. We have assimilated so much that we are forgetting our Identity.
It's an interesting history.
Just like America, the people in the Tribes all don't agree with each other, there's been quarrels that have even made us war, and even cities once magnificent perished as the people abandoned it due to the disagreements.
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Then you make a decision. Be homeless or get the vaccine.
So the CDC is wrong? "Most people who get sick from SARS-CoV-2 wear masks often." or however it's worded.
Masks don't provide much protection to the wearer, they protect other people FROM the wearer.
Good lord it's been a full year now, how do people still not understand this point?
Plenty of people getting sick even though they're wearing masks walking around places where other people are wearing masks. If I leave my home, all I see are people wearing masks. Dr. Fauci admitted masks don't provide the protection you think it does, and is more of a symbol than anything else, his words.
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No. Kip American.
How do I become a citizen?
I changed my personal text weeks ago just for you and you never even noticed! ;D
:lol no I didn't! So does that mean you Kip Rolled me?
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Dr. Fauci admitted masks don't provide the protection you think it does, and is more of a symbol than anything else, his words.
Let me deFox this. "His words" were as follows:
"I wear a mask because I want to protect myself and protect others, and also because I want to make it be a symbol for people to see that that's the kind of thing you should be doing" - Dr Fauci, May 27th 2020.
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Then you make a decision. Be homeless or get the vaccine.
So the CDC is wrong? "Most people who get sick from SARS-CoV-2 wear masks often." or however it's worded.
Masks don't provide much protection to the wearer, they protect other people FROM the wearer.
Good lord it's been a full year now, how do people still not understand this point?
Plenty of people getting sick even though they're wearing masks walking around places where other people are wearing masks. If I leave my home, all I see are people wearing masks. Dr. Fauci admitted masks don't provide the protection you think it does, and is more of a symbol than anything else, his words.
Show me "his words".
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Then you make a decision. Be homeless or get the vaccine.
So the CDC is wrong? "Most people who get sick from SARS-CoV-2 wear masks often." or however it's worded.
Masks don't provide much protection to the wearer, they protect other people FROM the wearer.
Good lord it's been a full year now, how do people still not understand this point?
Plenty of people getting sick even though they're wearing masks walking around places where other people are wearing masks. If I leave my home, all I see are people wearing masks. Dr. Fauci admitted masks don't provide the protection you think it does, and is more of a symbol than anything else, his words.
I love when people cherry-pick a few words out of a statement to create their own narrative....
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Then you make a decision. Be homeless or get the vaccine.
So the CDC is wrong? "Most people who get sick from SARS-CoV-2 wear masks often." or however it's worded.
Masks don't provide much protection to the wearer, they protect other people FROM the wearer.
Good lord it's been a full year now, how do people still not understand this point?
Plenty of people getting sick even though they're wearing masks walking around places where other people are wearing masks. If I leave my home, all I see are people wearing masks. Dr. Fauci admitted masks don't provide the protection you think it does, and is more of a symbol than anything else, his words.
Everything in your post is incorrect, except (presumably) that when you're out most people you see are wearing masks.
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Then you make a decision. Be homeless or get the vaccine.
So the CDC is wrong? "Most people who get sick from SARS-CoV-2 wear masks often." or however it's worded.
Masks don't provide much protection to the wearer, they protect other people FROM the wearer.
Good lord it's been a full year now, how do people still not understand this point?
Plenty of people getting sick even though they're wearing masks walking around places where other people are wearing masks. If I leave my home, all I see are people wearing masks. Dr. Fauci admitted masks don't provide the protection you think it does, and is more of a symbol than anything else, his words.
I love when people cherry-pick a few words out of a statement to create their own narrative....
The definition of ignorance is twisting the truth to fit your opinion.
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The Native American question is interesting to me and I haven't been sure how to respond to Benjamin with proper sensitivity. But aren't the native Americans one of the hardest groups hit here? I have seen several tribal leaders on TV urging people to get the vaccine. Studies such as the one below don't inspire a lot of confidence:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6949a3.htm
I first want to say I am not at all offended by what was said. And no offense was taken. It's a sensitive topic and one I am willing to take the hits on.
Yes, we are, because of these conditions a lot of us have. And I have posted about some reasons why we do have such a high rate of this. It's why our leaders are doing what they are doing and shut down access to our reservations, anyone not a member of the tribe is considered trespassing, no exceptions.
And TAC, that was a great response. I found it funny.
We are human just the same, and I know darn well we aren't immune to this or any sicknesses. No race is immune. Even the animals are not immune to sicknesses and diseases, even Plants.
What we did have were herbs. And what we ate was what we grew ourselves. That was how we lived and how we would have continued to live if not for what history tells.
We were healthy people, and sustained ourselves quite well. It wasn't until we became slave laborers when we started to become malnourished and exposed to the sicknesses that were brought here by the Europeans. The only way we really succumbed was because of the conditions we we're forced into because of the enslavement, the destruction of the land, and the disruption of our way of life in general.
All these things contribute to why our peoples rates are high for these conditions.
It's only until now that our people are finally able to do what we can to bring that way of living back again. Some of us are eating healthier diets, some are changing their diets and finding out that simple change helped them heal way more than the quick fix of the drug or herb.
The point of the herbs and remedies are to ease the pain. There is no cure, but there are things we humans can do for ourselves that work. A simple diet change does work.
We are also not immune to corruption and that is where I have issues with a lot of things our leaders and our people do. We have assimilated so much that we are forgetting our Identity.
It's an interesting history.
Just like America, the people in the Tribes all don't agree with each other, there's been quarrels that have even made us war, and even cities once magnificent perished as the people abandoned it due to the disagreements.
First off, thanks for this response. I really appreciate that you are here on these forums to provide a different perspective.
Now, I'll wind up with something that I am sure you've heard before, but since I haven't heard your answer to it, I'll go anyway...
Tribal or not, I think it's human nature to think back on what our ancestors had done, and how their lives were immune to the challenges with face today because of some missing modern factor. But the problem that comes up here is that there's nothing anyone's ancestors did wrong that could have been avoided (the "that could have been avoided" part being operative), because all of history has been moving in this direction - population growth, overcrowding, food and resource scarcity, pollution, urbanization, etc., all of the above making the world ripe for these kind of pandemics. North America was ripe for the first nations to live a certain way, other places in the world humans adapted a different way. If it weren't white settlers, it would have been someone else, eventually. And sooner or later, we would have arrived at the moment we are now - so how do we live today?
I do agree with part of what you are saying, that there's more to it that just masks and vaccines. What about exercise? Drinking less/not at all? Not smoking? Eating a healthy diet? Yes, surely, everyone is responsible for their own health at the end of the day. And as far as herbs - sure. That opinion exists, and is not entirely unfounded: the Chinese government, for example, have claimed that Traditional Chinese Medicine was somewhat effective fighting the virus (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7439087/).
I have told people in this thread to talk to medical professionals, and get expert advice. I am not saying that western medicine is the ONLY valid opinion. But this - talking to experts, weighing their different ideas and opinions, and deciding what is best for you - is much different than just burying oneself in a mountain of fringe podcasts and alternative news sources.
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The Native American question is interesting to me and I haven't been sure how to respond to Benjamin with proper sensitivity. But aren't the native Americans one of the hardest groups hit here? I have seen several tribal leaders on TV urging people to get the vaccine. Studies such as the one below don't inspire a lot of confidence:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6949a3.htm
I first want to say I am not at all offended by what was said. And no offense was taken. It's a sensitive topic and one I am willing to take the hits on.
Yes, we are, because of these conditions a lot of us have. And I have posted about some reasons why we do have such a high rate of this. It's why our leaders are doing what they are doing and shut down access to our reservations, anyone not a member of the tribe is considered trespassing, no exceptions.
And TAC, that was a great response. I found it funny.
We are human just the same, and I know darn well we aren't immune to this or any sicknesses. No race is immune. Even the animals are not immune to sicknesses and diseases, even Plants.
What we did have were herbs. And what we ate was what we grew ourselves. That was how we lived and how we would have continued to live if not for what history tells.
We were healthy people, and sustained ourselves quite well. It wasn't until we became slave laborers when we started to become malnourished and exposed to the sicknesses that were brought here by the Europeans. The only way we really succumbed was because of the conditions we we're forced into because of the enslavement, the destruction of the land, and the disruption of our way of life in general.
All these things contribute to why our peoples rates are high for these conditions.
It's only until now that our people are finally able to do what we can to bring that way of living back again. Some of us are eating healthier diets, some are changing their diets and finding out that simple change helped them heal way more than the quick fix of the drug or herb.
The point of the herbs and remedies are to ease the pain. There is no cure, but there are things we humans can do for ourselves that work. A simple diet change does work.
We are also not immune to corruption and that is where I have issues with a lot of things our leaders and our people do. We have assimilated so much that we are forgetting our Identity.
It's an interesting history.
Just like America, the people in the Tribes all don't agree with each other, there's been quarrels that have even made us war, and even cities once magnificent perished as the people abandoned it due to the disagreements.
First off, thanks for this response. I really appreciate that you are here on these forums to provide a different perspective.
Now, I'll wind up with something that I am sure you've heard before, but since I haven't heard your answer to it, I'll go anyway...
Tribal or not, I think it's human nature to think back on what our ancestors had done, and how their lives were immune to the challenges with face today because of some missing modern factor. But the problem that comes up here is that there's nothing anyone's ancestors did wrong that could have been avoided (the "that could have been avoided" part being operative), because all of history has been moving in this direction - population growth, overcrowding, food and resource scarcity, pollution, urbanization, etc., all of the above making the world ripe for these kind of pandemics. North America was ripe for the first nations to live a certain way, other places in the world humans adapted a different way. If it weren't white settlers, it would have been someone else, eventually. And sooner or later, we would have arrived at the moment we are now - so how do we live today?
I do agree with part of what you are saying, that there's more to it that just masks and vaccines. What about exercise? Drinking less/not at all? Not smoking? Eating a healthy diet? Yes, surely, everyone is responsible for their own health at the end of the day. And as far as herbs - sure. That opinion exists, and is not entirely unfounded: the Chinese government, for example, have claimed that Traditional Chinese Medicine was somewhat effective fighting the virus (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7439087/).
I have told people in this thread to talk to medical professionals, and get expert advice. I am not saying that western medicine is the ONLY valid opinion. But this - talking to experts, weighing their different ideas and opinions, and deciding what is best for you - is much different than just burying oneself in a mountain of fringe podcasts and alternative news sources.
Thanks man, being someone from a not very well known perspective, and one that many people think is extinct, I appreciate the responses. It's weird, because out of all places to be discussing these things. This place is one with very intelligent and well moderated discussions, and I enjoy discussing all these topics that we all discuss on here. Its why I love it here as well...
Now then, I posted this in the Coronavirus thread, but It's very relevant here.
https://youtu.be/eTUZnhkKQpw
What he says, I realized when the virus had expanded into the pandemic. It's why I stopped drinking and ended up quitting smoking, and actually going out and doing what I should have been doing all these years I was drinking my life away. It's also why, I only blame myself, for if I get the sickness. Because I chose to live this way, I chose to do these things that were unhealthy to my body, and these things we were told before were not beneficial for us, yet we did them anyways and now look where some of us are, afraid of dying and getting severe symptoms (this isn't blaming anyone or faulting anyone for rightfully, worrying). And now, I am trying to change my habits to living with nature again. A thing my people, and all people once did. Living in connection with Nature, and the understanding that it provides us everything we need essentially to survive and thrive.
It's when Greed and Disrespect for Nature is when troubles begin to brew and form. It's what I think happened with the European peoples. I am not necessarily blaming the Europeans for anything they have done, as what they have done was human nature, and what they knew. For me, they forgot, or more so, lost that connection with Nature and the Earth, and became corrupted with Greed, which filled people with the disrespect for Nature and People, as that Greed feeds off of wanting more and more and more. Greed can corrupt the soul.
As we are all one race, the Human Race. No race is immune to these troubles. And as you said, If it wasn't the Europeans, it would've likely been some other race. These were things we knew and understood, because these troubles and ways all have happened before. It's why that this knowledge we once knew and forgot, is coming around again and us humans are re-learning this forgotten knowledge. Both the good and the bad. It's also in our stories of the old worlds and their destruction how a certain demographic of people became corrupted and destroyed the world. And Nature, and the Creator, had to interfere and destroy to recreate the world...
I also saw this experiment, and video from old Reel to Reel clips
In Mouse City, Calhoun provided his research subjects food, water, bedding, protection from predators--all that they needed except adequate space. The results were destructive and dramatic. Based on these experiments, Calhoun drew conclusions about human behavior in overcrowded conditions, such as high-density public housing.
https://youtu.be/iOFveSUmh9U
It's fascinating to see what happened with the mice, and how they dwindled and just died off, because they didn't reproduce and repopulate, all because they didn't have the space to live with how many mice were now in the living space.
That reminds me of the concept of "BE" and the song Nihil Morari.
"Oceans
Forests
Nations
Now everything bears our name
While Earth is bleeding
Nothing will remain
Nothing prevails...
...I can see us read the signs
But spell them out in backward travesty
I see us close our eyes
To all the wounds that we inflict to this world by being "free"
We love this world to death
Purchasing our lifestyles with our lives
Defending our momentarily nations
With the loss of our priceless earthly home"
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Then you make a decision. Be homeless or get the vaccine.
So the CDC is wrong? "Most people who get sick from SARS-CoV-2 wear masks often." or however it's worded.
Masks don't provide much protection to the wearer, they protect other people FROM the wearer.
Good lord it's been a full year now, how do people still not understand this point?
Plenty of people getting sick even though they're wearing masks walking around places where other people are wearing masks. If I leave my home, all I see are people wearing masks. Dr. Fauci admitted masks don't provide the protection you think it does, and is more of a symbol than anything else, his words.
I love when people cherry-pick a few words out of a statement to create their own narrative....
The definition of ignorance is twisting the truth to fit your opinion.
If that's the definition - and no real argument from me - then it's an appropriate time to point out, amidst all this righteous indignation, finger-pointing, and mocking of opposing views, that it's not just the "muh freedoms!" crowd that twists truth to fit the opinion.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/when-it-comes-to-coronavirus-u-s-media-coverage-is-far-more-negative-than-elsewhere-university-researchers-conclude-11606156163
And of course the prevalence of misinformation about the expanding COVID situation in India. No need to use a picture from three years ago if you're not looking to "twist the truth to fit the opinion".
I'm not supporting the non-mask wearers; I'm a "tend your own garden" guy and I'm diligent about doing my part. But I think some of that righteous indignation is a little, I don't know, over the top. I'm not a big fan of trying to change minds by telling people they're stupid and ignorant and mocking their belief systems (if that worked, our teachers would have done that when we were in high school).
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I have told people in this thread to talk to medical professionals, and get expert advice. I am not saying that western medicine is the ONLY valid opinion. But this - talking to experts, weighing their different ideas and opinions, and deciding what is best for you - is much different than just burying oneself in a mountain of fringe podcasts and alternative news sources.
Your post is awesome; seriously. It's fair, it's measured, and it's reasonably objective. No mocking, no moral indignation, etc.
But the devil is in the details. That bolded part is really where the rubber meets the road, and where the real test is. If someone talks to the experts, weighs different ideas and opinions, and DECIDES WHAT IS BEST FOR THEM - but that "decide" is "not wearing a mask at this time" or "not getting the vaccine at this time", I wonder if that will really be honored. Given some - not all, but some - of the responses here, just assuming that anyone that doesn't "comply" is ignorant, or mocking their beliefs (and intelligence) by generalizing them as simply "muh freedoms" is hardly honoring someone's right to decide what is best for them. Do we belittle the women fighting for the right to abortion as fighting for "muh freedoms"?
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Kudos to everyone here for being a lot more blunt than I was willing to be. It makes me more open to actually speaking my mind. A pandemic is not the time to make a statement, especially a statement fueled by ignorance towards a global crisis that has killed millions of people. I work with disabled adults. We lost ten of our individuals as well as the owner of our company to this virus. Shut up and put on your fucking mask.
That's got to be hard man, hopefully the worst is behind you bud.
I'm usually a bit more diplomatic, but I had a near run in with a few at the store last night, two ladies just straight up flaunting it. They had masks, with "MY BODY NO CHOICE" written on them in Sharpie pen, and they were hanging on their chin as opposed to being worn proper. It was late, I had already put in 13 hours on the day, and had zero desire to deal with these cunts. But this shit happens almost daily at the store (it's a whole foods btw), and it's just fucking exhausting man.
I try to be diplomatic, but that gets harder every day. I try to avoid discussing political issues, but when one is right in front of my face and it’s what I think of as more of a moral issue, I tend to get a bit heated. It’s the sole reason why I don’t go anywhere near P/R as I like these forums and don’t really want to get banned.
General question you don't have to answer if you don't want to: are "morals" to you an individual or a group decision? Does anyone one person get to decide the morals for another? The obvious example here is sexuality; didn't society decide for quite some time that certain sexual proclivities were "immoral"? Some still are. I don't disagree that it might be a moral issue, but I also believe pretty strongly that I get to decide for me where my morals land. If your moral position is monogamy, and my moral position is something more, let's say, plentiful, is either one of us more correct than the other?
I honestly don't see much about COVID, or the COVID response, that is necessarily "moral".
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Kudos to everyone here for being a lot more blunt than I was willing to be. It makes me more open to actually speaking my mind. A pandemic is not the time to make a statement, especially a statement fueled by ignorance towards a global crisis that has killed millions of people. I work with disabled adults. We lost ten of our individuals as well as the owner of our company to this virus. Shut up and put on your fucking mask.
That's got to be hard man, hopefully the worst is behind you bud.
I'm usually a bit more diplomatic, but I had a near run in with a few at the store last night, two ladies just straight up flaunting it. They had masks, with "MY BODY NO CHOICE" written on them in Sharpie pen, and they were hanging on their chin as opposed to being worn proper. It was late, I had already put in 13 hours on the day, and had zero desire to deal with these cunts. But this shit happens almost daily at the store (it's a whole foods btw), and it's just fucking exhausting man.
I try to be diplomatic, but that gets harder every day. I try to avoid discussing political issues, but when one is right in front of my face and it’s what I think of as more of a moral issue, I tend to get a bit heated. It’s the sole reason why I don’t go anywhere near P/R as I like these forums and don’t really want to get banned.
General question you don't have to answer if you don't want to: are "morals" to you an individual or a group decision? Does anyone one person get to decide the morals for another? The obvious example here is sexuality; didn't society decide for quite some time that certain sexual proclivities were "immoral"? Some still are. I don't disagree that it might be a moral issue, but I also believe pretty strongly that I get to decide for me where my morals land. If your moral position is monogamy, and my moral position is something more, let's say, plentiful, is either one of us more correct than the other?
I honestly don't see much about COVID, or the COVID response, that is necessarily "moral".
For me, it’s “are you letting your own personal beliefs get in the way of other people’s happiness and well being”. For the sexuality thing, I am not gay, and two consenting adults wanting to spend their life together doesn’t hurt me whether it’s a man and a woman or two people of the same sex/gender. They aren’t hurting me or others so I support them. For the masks, it’s protecting other people in case you’re sick, and wearing the mask doesn’t actually hurt you. When someone says “wearing a mask is infringing on my freedom” what they’re really saying is “my desire to do whatever I want is more important than the health of my fellow citizens”, and I’m sorry but that isn’t making a political statement. That’s being an asshole.
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NOT YOU, because I have no idea where you stand on various issues (and it's not my business), but would that other people that shared your belief - and I don't disagree with it, at least generally - were consistent in their application of that mantra. Because there is PLENTY that the people mocking the freedom advocates do that harms me and they don't give a rat's ass because it fits their personal beliefs.
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And of course the prevalence of misinformation about the expanding COVID situation in India. No need to use a picture from three years ago if you're not looking to "twist the truth to fit the opinion".
Unless it's just general journalistic incompetence. Occam's Razor.
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And of course the prevalence of misinformation about the expanding COVID situation in India. No need to use a picture from three years ago if you're not looking to "twist the truth to fit the opinion".
Unless it's just general journalistic incompetence. Occam's Razor.
Which doesn't apply; "Occam's Razor" is, loosely, the simplest of competing theories be preferred to the more complex; except that means here that we have to assume that people's base humanity, involuntary subconscious reactions, and core integrity are different depending on your arbitrary political affiliation or, worse, the content of the information itself. Conservative misinformation? Deliberate misinformation intended to twist the truth and sway opinion. Liberal misinformation? General journalistic incompetence. No, I don't think that's very "simple".
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And of course the prevalence of misinformation about the expanding COVID situation in India. No need to use a picture from three years ago if you're not looking to "twist the truth to fit the opinion".
Unless it's just general journalistic incompetence. Occam's Razor.
Which doesn't apply; "Occam's Razor" is, loosely, the simplest of competing theories be preferred to the more complex; except that means here that we have to assume that people's base humanity, involuntary subconscious reactions, and core integrity are different depending on your arbitrary political affiliation or, worse, the content of the information itself. Conservative misinformation? Deliberate misinformation intended to twist the truth and sway opinion. Liberal misinformation? General journalistic incompetence. No, I don't think that's very "simple".
It is when there are plenty of real, up-to-date photos that the NY Post could have used, and which other outlets used.
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Simple question. If I don't want to support food being delivered to my house and would rather support local businesses, but refuse to wear a mask inside grocery stores, restaurants, or convenient stores, does the United States society let me starve to death because wearing a mask is for "the good of society"?
I say yes, because a lot of Americans are apathetic, stupid and scaredy cats over everything. The US government allows the kinds of food to be sold that cause cancer, they also allow cigarettes to be sold to the general public, despite the common knowledge that they kill half a million Americans every single year.
I think this is more philosophical that political and I can't post in the political section anyway. Just a weird thought that popped into my head.
Let me prefice this by saying this not an attack on you, Darkshade, but rather, a thought inspired by your OP.
As someone who works retail and has had to deal with some seemingly normal, upstanding people being incredibly beligerant/borderline violent over the past year, I am literally incapable of understanding what the problem is with wearing a mask, let alone why someone would choose to use it as a reason to attack another human being.
I know there are probably 10,000 posts spread across 1000 pages of political themed threads where a handful of you have beat this horse to death, but even after reading some incredibly thoughtful arguments both for and against, I still don't get the big deal (hence why I avoid posting in said threads).
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Simple question. If I don't want to support food being delivered to my house and would rather support local businesses, but refuse to wear a mask inside grocery stores, restaurants, or convenient stores, does the United States society let me starve to death because wearing a mask is for "the good of society"?
I say yes, because a lot of Americans are apathetic, stupid and scaredy cats over everything. The US government allows the kinds of food to be sold that cause cancer, they also allow cigarettes to be sold to the general public, despite the common knowledge that they kill half a million Americans every single year.
I think this is more philosophical that political and I can't post in the political section anyway. Just a weird thought that popped into my head.
Let me prefice this by saying this not an attack on you, Darkshade, but rather, a thought inspired by your OP.
As someone who works retail and has had to deal with some seemingly normal, upstanding people being incredibly beligerant/borderline violent over the past year, I am literally incapable of understanding what the problem is with wearing a mask, let alone why someone would choose to use it as a reason to attack another human being.
I know there are probably 10,000 posts spread across 1000 pages of political themed threads where a handful of you have beat this horse to death, but even after reading some incredibly thoughtful arguments both for and against, I still don't get the big deal (hence why I avoid posting in said threads).
The masks were always a visual representation to show compliance and submission by the masses to those in power in order to make it easier to push the vaccines on the public.
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I’m gonna regret this, but why did those in power so desperately want everyone to take the vaccine?
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I’m gonna regret this, but why do those in power so desperately want everyone to take the vaccine?
a) to make money
b) to reduce elderly population size
c) have more control over the masses
d) all of the above
e) something about China, DNA, RNA, 5G, making it easier to assassinate people, but fragile people get offended by conspiracy theories.
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That all tracks. Yup.
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That all tracks. Yup.
Keep in mind, it's multiple choice, but it doesn't mean I believe those are the reasons, or that they're all legit, except the making more money one.
But reducing elderly population means less SS checks going out, too.
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I didn’t ask possible reasons, I asked what you think the answer is. So why do YOU think the those in power want everyone to take the vaccine? Also it sounds like you think the virus was all planned out as well?
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I'm probably going to regret this as well, but if They wanted to reduce the elderly population, why would they enforce masks/social distancing/lockdowns, if the disease runs rampant through the elderly anyways?
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I'm probably going to regret this as well, but if They wanted to reduce the elderly population, why would they enforce masks/social distancing/lockdowns, if the disease runs rampant through the elderly anyways?
The masks were always a visual representation to show compliance and submission by the masses to those in power in order to make it easier to push the vaccines on the public.
I didn’t ask possible reasons, I asked what you think the answer is. So why do YOU think the those in power want everyone to take the vaccine? Also it sounds like you think the virus was all planned out as well?
Money, control, and I do think it was planned, with the US colluding with the CCP. So many members of Congress, as well as former VP El Presidente Biden, Fauci, Obama, are beholden to the CCP. I don't think the virus is fake, but it has been blown out of proportion, and used as a bio weapon against the US Constitution. Throw in Marxist groups like BLM or anarchist groups like Antifa, and you have the recipe to take down the USA from within.
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I'm probably going to regret this as well, but if They wanted to reduce the elderly population, why would they enforce masks/social distancing/lockdowns, if the disease runs rampant through the elderly anyways?
The masks were always a visual representation to show compliance and submission by the masses to those in power in order to make it easier to push the vaccines on the public.
I didn’t ask possible reasons, I asked what you think the answer is. So why do YOU think the those in power want everyone to take the vaccine? Also it sounds like you think the virus was all planned out as well?
Money, control, and I do think it was planned, with the US colluding with the CCP. So many members of Congress, as well as former VP El Presidente Biden, Fauci, Obama, are beholden to the CCP. I don't think the virus is fake, but it has been blown out of proportion, and used as a bio weapon against the US Constitution. Throw in Marxist groups like BLM or anarchist groups like Antifa, and you have the recipe to take down the USA from within.
people did try to take down the USA from within, on january 6th 2021 and it wasn't marxists groups, BLM or anarchists and it was on live tv for everyone to see.
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I'm probably going to regret this as well, but if They wanted to reduce the elderly population, why would they enforce masks/social distancing/lockdowns, if the disease runs rampant through the elderly anyways?
The masks were always a visual representation to show compliance and submission by the masses to those in power in order to make it easier to push the vaccines on the public.
I didn’t ask possible reasons, I asked what you think the answer is. So why do YOU think the those in power want everyone to take the vaccine? Also it sounds like you think the virus was all planned out as well?
Money, control, and I do think it was planned, with the US colluding with the CCP. So many members of Congress, as well as former VP El Presidente Biden, Fauci, Obama, are beholden to the CCP. I don't think the virus is fake, but it has been blown out of proportion, and used as a bio weapon against the US Constitution. Throw in Marxist groups like BLM or anarchist groups like Antifa, and you have the recipe to take down the USA from within.
darkshade, no offence brother, but this post is out there.
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We should make this theory into a TV series.
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I'm probably going to regret this as well, but if They wanted to reduce the elderly population, why would they enforce masks/social distancing/lockdowns, if the disease runs rampant through the elderly anyways?
The masks were always a visual representation to show compliance and submission by the masses to those in power in order to make it easier to push the vaccines on the public.
I didn’t ask possible reasons, I asked what you think the answer is. So why do YOU think the those in power want everyone to take the vaccine? Also it sounds like you think the virus was all planned out as well?
Money, control, and I do think it was planned, with the US colluding with the CCP. So many members of Congress, as well as former VP El Presidente Biden, Fauci, Obama, are beholden to the CCP. I don't think the virus is fake, but it has been blown out of proportion, and used as a bio weapon against the US Constitution. Throw in Marxist groups like BLM or anarchist groups like Antifa, and you have the recipe to take down the USA from within.
Almost a year ago to the day I had a post deleted from this part of the forum because the person who deleted it deemed it "political" (translation, I dared to point out the nonsense of Donald Trump and debunk his lies), yet all this delusional right-wing conspiracy shit has stayed up across multiple threads (I notice you broke out the 9/11 truther stuff in an earlier post, and that stayed up whereas my stuff gets shitcanned). How thoroughly surprising, maybe we should patronisingly rename this part of the board the "echo chamber"?
Darkshade, I can't address you properly in this part of the board because I will be deleted for getting "political" (I'm a leftie you see). Please ask for permission to post in the P/R section of the forum, I'll give you the information you need there. I think you're sincere and I want to talk to you but on this part of the board it's an uneven situation, I'll be walking a tightrope no matter what facts I post whereas you'll be protected no matter what horseshit you post. Come to P/R please.
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people did try to take down the USA from within, on january 6th 2021 and it wasn't marxists groups, BLM or anarchists and it was on live tv for everyone to see.
While there were Trump supporters there, they got caught up in a riot started by Democratic Party supporters and ANTIFA members paying dress up as stereotypical Trump supporters, and they had no guns, were welcomed inside the Capitol by the police, and no one arrested has been charged with treason, insurrection, or sedition.
Evidence? How many arrested are self-professed Democratic Party supporters on social media? Easy to look up.
The only one killed was an unarmed white female veteran with her hands visible, shot by a cop standing all by himself, while she was surrounded by other police officers. No wonder the media has been constantly misreporting events of that day ever since, along with anything related to the 2020 election.
If that's an insurrection, BLM riots are recreations of D-Day.
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well then I think we've just about hit everything. Does anyone have any thoughts on reptilians?
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well then I think we've just about hit everything. Does anyone have any thoughts on reptilians?
The CIA has taught you well.
Best way to destroy debate, bring up your extensive knowledge of David Icke theories.
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Almost a year ago to the day I had a post deleted from this part of the forum because the person who deleted it deemed it "political" (translation, I dared to point out the nonsense of Donald Trump and debunk his lies), yet all this delusional right-wing conspiracy shit has stayed up across multiple threads (I notice you broke out the 9/11 truther stuff in an earlier post, and that stayed up whereas my stuff gets shitcanned). How thoroughly surprising, maybe we should patronisingly rename this part of the board the "echo chamber"?
Darkshade, I can't address you properly in this part of the board because I will be deleted for getting "political" (I'm a leftie you see). Please ask for permission to post in the P/R section of the forum, I'll give you the information you need there. I think you're sincere and I want to talk to you but on this part of the board it's an uneven situation, I'll be walking a tightrope no matter what facts I post whereas you'll be protected no matter what horseshit you post. Come to P/R please.
Based on this post, ARE you a leftie, or really a liberal who's confused about the differences between being leftist and being liberal?
What makes you think I am right wing? Where have I posted anything related to my political leanings on DTF?
Is calling Biden an illegitimate president a right wing view because election laws in swing states were changed unconstitutionally?
TIME magazine admitted there was a national coup attempt, with help from CCP, to overthrow Trump's win on Election night.
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Unarmed female veteran. Lol. I'll say this again. I've said many times I think African Americans put themselves in bad positions with police when they don't comply when they are pulled over.
I feel the same about this woman. Unarmed? How do you know in that moment when she is violently trying to break into Capitol.
If you think thank isn't against the law, with police drawing their guns then you are delusional.
One can protest without violence breaking into THE CAPITOL!! THE CAPITOL!! Common sense says if you try this you will be shot. She is guilty. She is not innocent.
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Unarmed female veteran. Lol. I'll say this again. I've said many times I think African Americans put themselves in bad positions with police when they don't comply when they are pulled over.
I feel the same about this woman. Unarmed? How do you know in that moment when she is violently trying to break into Capitol.
If you think thank isn't against the law, with police drawing their guns then you are delusional.
One can protest without violence breaking into THE CAPITOL!! THE CAPITOL!! Common sense says if you try this you will be shot. She is guilty. She is not innocent.
It's like you didn't read anything I typed except one small portion, the unarmed white woman portion...
If you're going to be morally dishonest with me, just admit it beforehand so I can respond accordingly.
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Almost a year ago to the day I had a post deleted from this part of the forum because the person who deleted it deemed it "political" (translation, I dared to point out the nonsense of Donald Trump and debunk his lies), yet all this delusional right-wing conspiracy shit has stayed up across multiple threads (I notice you broke out the 9/11 truther stuff in an earlier post, and that stayed up whereas my stuff gets shitcanned). How thoroughly surprising, maybe we should patronisingly rename this part of the board the "echo chamber"?
Darkshade, I can't address you properly in this part of the board because I will be deleted for getting "political" (I'm a leftie you see). Please ask for permission to post in the P/R section of the forum, I'll give you the information you need there. I think you're sincere and I want to talk to you but on this part of the board it's an uneven situation, I'll be walking a tightrope no matter what facts I post whereas you'll be protected no matter what horseshit you post. Come to P/R please.
Based on this post, ARE you a leftie, or really a liberal who's confused about the differences between being leftist and being liberal?
What makes you think I am right wing? Where have I posted anything related to my political leanings on DTF?
Is calling Biden an illegitimate president a right wing view because election laws in swing states were changed unconstitutionally?
TIME magazine admitted there was a national coup attempt, with help from CCP, to overthrow Trump's win on Election night.
I'd like to repeat: my post that factually debunked Trump's dangerous lies about the coronavirus got instantly deleted from this part of the forum by a Trump voter because he decided it was "political". This insane shit however has been going on for over a week.
Darkshade, why did you not respond to me when I corrected you on what Fauci's "own words" were on the efficacy of masks? You instead just instantly moved on to your next conspiracy theory.
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Has anyone watched Q: Into the Storm? I think that could explain a lot here.
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Unarmed female veteran. Lol. I'll say this again. I've said many times I think African Americans put themselves in bad positions with police when they don't comply when they are pulled over.
I feel the same about this woman. Unarmed? How do you know in that moment when she is violently trying to break into Capitol.
If you think thank isn't against the law, with police drawing their guns then you are delusional.
One can protest without violence breaking into THE CAPITOL!! THE CAPITOL!! Common sense says if you try this you will be shot. She is guilty. She is not innocent.
It's like you didn't read anything I typed except one small portion, the unarmed white woman portion...
If you're going to be morally dishonest with me, just admit it beforehand so I can respond accordingly.
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HA! I've said many times on this forum that extremism like you from both sides is eroding this country.
You sound batshit crazy. You are the problem just as the left who are extremists.
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Almost a year ago to the day I had a post deleted from this part of the forum because the person who deleted it deemed it "political" (translation, I dared to point out the nonsense of Donald Trump and debunk his lies), yet all this delusional right-wing conspiracy shit has stayed up across multiple threads (I notice you broke out the 9/11 truther stuff in an earlier post, and that stayed up whereas my stuff gets shitcanned). How thoroughly surprising, maybe we should patronisingly rename this part of the board the "echo chamber"?
Darkshade, I can't address you properly in this part of the board because I will be deleted for getting "political" (I'm a leftie you see). Please ask for permission to post in the P/R section of the forum, I'll give you the information you need there. I think you're sincere and I want to talk to you but on this part of the board it's an uneven situation, I'll be walking a tightrope no matter what facts I post whereas you'll be protected no matter what horseshit you post. Come to P/R please.
Based on this post, ARE you a leftie, or really a liberal who's confused about the differences between being leftist and being liberal?
What makes you think I am right wing? Where have I posted anything related to my political leanings on DTF?
Is calling Biden an illegitimate president a right wing view because election laws in swing states were changed unconstitutionally?
TIME magazine admitted there was a national coup attempt, with help from CCP, to overthrow Trump's win on Election night.
I'd like to repeat: my post that factually debunked Trump's dangerous lies about the coronavirus got instantly deleted from this part of the forum by a Trump voter because he decided it was "political". This insane shit however has been going on for over a week.
I read it the first time you posted about it.
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You sound batshit crazy.
:rollin :rollin
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HA! I've said many times on this forum that extremism like you from both sides is eroding this country.
You sound batshit crazy. You are the problem just as the left who are extremists.
What have I said that is "extremism"? When a country slowly moves towards communism, anything that doesn't line up with that is extremism.
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Has anyone watched Q: Into the Storm? I think that could explain a lot here.
Yup, nailed it.
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Almost a year ago to the day I had a post deleted from this part of the forum because the person who deleted it deemed it "political" (translation, I dared to point out the nonsense of Donald Trump and debunk his lies), yet all this delusional right-wing conspiracy shit has stayed up across multiple threads (I notice you broke out the 9/11 truther stuff in an earlier post, and that stayed up whereas my stuff gets shitcanned). How thoroughly surprising, maybe we should patronisingly rename this part of the board the "echo chamber"?
Darkshade, I can't address you properly in this part of the board because I will be deleted for getting "political" (I'm a leftie you see). Please ask for permission to post in the P/R section of the forum, I'll give you the information you need there. I think you're sincere and I want to talk to you but on this part of the board it's an uneven situation, I'll be walking a tightrope no matter what facts I post whereas you'll be protected no matter what horseshit you post. Come to P/R please.
Based on this post, ARE you a leftie, or really a liberal who's confused about the differences between being leftist and being liberal?
What makes you think I am right wing? Where have I posted anything related to my political leanings on DTF?
Is calling Biden an illegitimate president a right wing view because election laws in swing states were changed unconstitutionally?
TIME magazine admitted there was a national coup attempt, with help from CCP, to overthrow Trump's win on Election night.
I'd like to repeat: my post that factually debunked Trump's dangerous lies about the coronavirus got instantly deleted from this part of the forum by a Trump voter because he decided it was "political". This insane shit however has been going on for over a week.
I read it the first time you posted about it.
Then you're lucky because people here didn't get a second chance to read my takedown of the kind of shit you're posting here, it got deleted within an instant. You however have had the floor for over a week.
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Darkshade, why did you not respond to me when I corrected you on what Fauci's "own words" were on the efficacy of masks? You instead just instantly moved on to your next conspiracy theory.
My fault.
Fauci said no masks. Doesn't provide protection you think it does.
Then he said he lied about that...
Then he said wear masks.
But remember, he lied about not needing masks.
Then he said wear two masks.
But remember, he lied about not needing masks.
Does it matter "WHY" he lied? How do we know that wasn't a cover for another lie? Why trust liars?
Why are we even listening to him, when thousands of other doctors world wide think he is a f-r-a-u-d and a bureaucrat?
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Almost a year ago to the day I had a post deleted from this part of the forum because the person who deleted it deemed it "political" (translation, I dared to point out the nonsense of Donald Trump and debunk his lies), yet all this delusional right-wing conspiracy shit has stayed up across multiple threads (I notice you broke out the 9/11 truther stuff in an earlier post, and that stayed up whereas my stuff gets shitcanned). How thoroughly surprising, maybe we should patronisingly rename this part of the board the "echo chamber"?
Darkshade, I can't address you properly in this part of the board because I will be deleted for getting "political" (I'm a leftie you see). Please ask for permission to post in the P/R section of the forum, I'll give you the information you need there. I think you're sincere and I want to talk to you but on this part of the board it's an uneven situation, I'll be walking a tightrope no matter what facts I post whereas you'll be protected no matter what horseshit you post. Come to P/R please.
Based on this post, ARE you a leftie, or really a liberal who's confused about the differences between being leftist and being liberal?
What makes you think I am right wing? Where have I posted anything related to my political leanings on DTF?
Is calling Biden an illegitimate president a right wing view because election laws in swing states were changed unconstitutionally?
TIME magazine admitted there was a national coup attempt, with help from CCP, to overthrow Trump's win on Election night.
I'd like to repeat: my post that factually debunked Trump's dangerous lies about the coronavirus got instantly deleted from this part of the forum by a Trump voter because he decided it was "political". This insane shit however has been going on for over a week.
I read it the first time you posted about it.
Then you're lucky because people here didn't get a second chance to read my takedown of the kind of shit you're posting here, it got deleted within an instant. You however have had the floor for over a week.
What's holding you back this time?
Unlike others, I welcome discourse and debate. I also think the left doesn't think they're right, they're just lying about everything.
The right sucks, but they're 20 kids in their basement and the media blows them up to stupid proportions with their propaganda.
Most Americans, surely most Trump supporters, are center right or center left, and make up ALL races and skin colors. 1/6/21 rally/protest was FILLED with blacks, browns, Asians, and other non-white groups. Video evidence everywhere if you're willing to search for it. The "insurrection" was mostly white people, but not white supremacist Trump supporters, but Democratic voters. Oh maybe they're the white supremacists, which makes sense since Democrats have a history of being white supremacists and all.
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Go for it Dave...I got your back.
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HA! I've said many times on this forum that extremism like you from both sides is eroding this country.
You sound batshit crazy. You are the problem just as the left who are extremists.
What have I said that is "extremism"? When a country slowly moves towards communism, anything that doesn't line up with that is extremism.
Yes. There is no way communism is happening. You need to calm down and both sides need to compromise to better this country.
To me, you sound like you are on the fringe, not willing to bend.
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Yes. There is no way communism is happening. You need to calm down and both sides need to compromise to better this country.
To me, you sound like you are on the fringe, not willing to bend.
Just replace the H word with the C word and you sound like a German in the late 1930s.
It took western society YEARS to accept that humans did what they did then.
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Correct, though, Communism is not happening. Socialism and Marxism is what is happening, and we all know the road to Communism is socialism, a famous socialists once said.
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HA! I've said many times on this forum that extremism like you from both sides is eroding this country.
You sound batshit crazy. You are the problem just as the left who are extremists.
What have I said that is "extremism"? When a country slowly moves towards communism, anything that doesn't line up with that is extremism.
Yes. There is no way communism is happening. You need to calm down and both sides need to compromise to better this country.
To me, you sound like you are on the fringe, not willing to bend.
The Left WILL NOT compromise, as we've seen in the last 6 years.
Words and manners will not work against those who are trying to destroy the US Constitution. Sad to say.
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Almost a year ago to the day I had a post deleted from this part of the forum because the person who deleted it deemed it "political" (translation, I dared to point out the nonsense of Donald Trump and debunk his lies), yet all this delusional right-wing conspiracy shit has stayed up across multiple threads (I notice you broke out the 9/11 truther stuff in an earlier post, and that stayed up whereas my stuff gets shitcanned). How thoroughly surprising, maybe we should patronisingly rename this part of the board the "echo chamber"?
Darkshade, I can't address you properly in this part of the board because I will be deleted for getting "political" (I'm a leftie you see). Please ask for permission to post in the P/R section of the forum, I'll give you the information you need there. I think you're sincere and I want to talk to you but on this part of the board it's an uneven situation, I'll be walking a tightrope no matter what facts I post whereas you'll be protected no matter what horseshit you post. Come to P/R please.
Based on this post, ARE you a leftie, or really a liberal who's confused about the differences between being leftist and being liberal?
What makes you think I am right wing? Where have I posted anything related to my political leanings on DTF?
Is calling Biden an illegitimate president a right wing view because election laws in swing states were changed unconstitutionally?
TIME magazine admitted there was a national coup attempt, with help from CCP, to overthrow Trump's win on Election night.
I'd like to repeat: my post that factually debunked Trump's dangerous lies about the coronavirus got instantly deleted from this part of the forum by a Trump voter because he decided it was "political". This insane shit however has been going on for over a week.
I read it the first time you posted about it.
Then you're lucky because people here didn't get a second chance to read my takedown of the kind of shit you're posting here, it got deleted within an instant. You however have had the floor for over a week.
What's holding you back this time?
The part I just said. The guy who runs this site is on your side and someone like me is always one perceived wrong word away from a banning whereas someone like you is getting away with this staggeringly stupid shit on a part of the board where, the second a leftie shows up and posts a few inconvenient facts, we're sternly reminded of 'the rules' about "political posts".
I'm not at all against what you've been doing here by the way, it's highlighted the hypocrisy of this place, so thanks for that. But if you're not going to go to P/R then our association needs to be over, I can only tell you what you need to know there, not here.
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To me, you sound like you are on the fringe, not willing to bend.
Bend over? Maybe not.
I'm willing to listen to those who disagree with me, as long as they remain civil. Name calling and assuming someone's political affiliation due to news media propaganda and conditioning, will get you no civility from me.
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Probably should have been locked already.
If you want to discuss political matters, we have a subforum for that.
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Probably should have been locked already.
If you want to discuss political matters, we have a subforum for that.
And I would remind everyone involved that should you take it to the subforum to "discuss", be mindful of doing so respectfully and in accordance with the rules. Civility is required, it's not an option. Just sayin'.
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The guy who runs this site is on your side and someone like me is always one perceived wrong word away from a banning whereas someone like you is getting away with this staggeringly stupid shit on a part of the board where, the second a leftie shows up and posts a few inconvenient facts, we're sternly reminded of 'the rules' about "political posts".
I have no idea what you are talking about. I have no ax to grind with you personally and don't think I have EVER had a conflict with you, on this board or elsewhere. And I have no ax to grind with any "leftie" either. Yeah, this thread should have been locked. Contrary to what you might think, I don't read every thread every moment of the day, and was not aware this one had gone so far off course.
You can't man up, handle your business, and tell me directly that you have a problem with me? Fine. Since you insist on conjuring up a feud with me, and doing so publicly, fine. You've got it. As I said, up until about 5 minutes ago, I had no problem with you whatsoever. As of now, I do. I see anything I don't like from you, you are gone. Unfair? Maybe. Guess what--I don't care. You don't get to come here and insult the way I run the board. Since you have done so, and done so for no apparent reason that I can see, you aren't a good fit here.
If you have a problem with someone, I would suggest you talk to that person about the problem rather than passively-aggressively shouting to the world how "unfair" you think they are. The former is how an adult handles problems. The latter is how one who lack maturity does. So there's your notice. I bid you good day and good luck.