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With the draft a week away and it being, ya know, 2021 now, felt like the time! :metal :metal
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Yay STATS!
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Yay STATS!
:hat
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Being a Bucs fan, I'm going to be following this season a lot closer this year than I have in a while.
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Being a Bucs fan, I'm going to be following this season a lot closer this year than I have in a while.
This.
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Although he's gotten a shade douchier in his waning years (his TikToks, with the bad acting and which turn into thinly disguised ads for his brand, are mind-numbingly excruciating to watch) I can't remember rooting for an individual player like this in a long time. I WANT Brady to win one more. The level of football excellence at this point is undeniable and unparalleled, and I'd like to see him lap the field again. One more, then ride off into the sunset. By that time, Belichick will likely have landed on his successor in interest, and the next Pats dynasty can begin.
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Brady has nothing left to prove. He’s already the GOAT. I’ll even concede that fact at this point. I’ve been hurt too many times by his excellence to fight that fact anymore. For selfish reasons, I want him to go out with the worst performance of his career. It would be nice to see that Father Time is coming for him too, just like it came for Manning, Brees, Farve, and so many great players before him.
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I'm probably biased, but I think the interesting thing is how long can he play and be good for.
Look, I'm not biased because he was the Pats QB. I fucking can't stand David Ortiz even though he brought us multiple World Series. I'm biased for Brady because he earned my respect over time. Sure, he comes off as Tom Kardashian at times, but the guy puts his money where his mouth is in terms of working hard and in his preparation.
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It's so fascinating to me to watch that aspect of it; if one thought about it intellectually, Tom Brady is everything that most people would admire in an "American". He didn't come from excessive money, he wasn't a bonus baby, he wasn't coddled all the way through college, he didn't pay lip-service to his college time as simply "one step in the master plan"... He is the epitome of the "American way" of pulling himself up by the bootstraps, working hard, working RELENTLESSLY, and simply refusing to lose. He's exactly the living personification of why the 1980 Olympic hockey team captured our hearts and minds. But we also have a streak of having to cut down people that get TOO successful. It's almost like we have to find ways to undermine that success once it gets out of hand.
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I've heard enough Tom Brady interviews and press conferences over the years to really have no issue with the guy. Over the last half dozen or so years, there's been a shift in his demeanor for sure, but he built a foundation of respect (for me) over the first 12-15 years he was here in the way he carried himself.
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I like that you can see his sarcastic, funny side now that you only heard rumors of. Bill runs a tight ship for sure.
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I'm probably biased, but I think the interesting thing is how long can he play and be good for.
This.
George Blanda last played in the 1975 NFL season at the age of 48, but it looks like he wasn't terribly productive after his age 44 season, which is what the 2021 season will be for Brady. Brady would have to play through the 2025 season to break Blanda's age record, and I wouldn't put it past him to do it.
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Being connected to Belichick's alleged cheating ways* and surliness for 20 years didn't help Brady's rep, but he seems like a pretty likable guy overall.
*Nobody would have cared if Deflategate had happened to the starting QB of any other coach in the league, but to many it was another case of the Patriots trying to skirt the rules, fair or not.
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He’s getting some flack about his whining about the rule change re:uniforms.
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Look who brought this change to the league. Why would KC want that?🤔
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Look who brought this change to the league. Why would KC want that?🤔
Is that true?
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"NFL owners have approved a rule change that would allow more players to wear single-digit numbers, according to The MMQB's Albert Breer. The rule change, which was initially proposed by the Chiefs, would allow running backs, tight ends and wide receivers to wear any number from one to 49 as well as 80–89."
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Oh wow! Is Bill Polian running the Chiefs now?
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Right?! :lol
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Not sure why it matters who asked for the rule change, but football fans love a good outrage or conspiracy. ;)
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The talk is it will give them an advantage. Hence Tom Brady's complaining. Lol
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So how exactly does it give an advantage? Or is this something that Brady decided, "I'm going to use this as fuel to be more competitive even if it makes me look petty."?
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No. Not Brady. It's the talkshows. Sports pundits. Their theories.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/watch-rob-gronkowski-sets-world-record-with-insane-catch-ahead-of-arizona-spring-football-game/ar-BB1g0Bz1?ocid=uxbndlbing
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It's so fascinating to me to watch that aspect of it; if one thought about it intellectually, Tom Brady is everything that most people would admire in an "American". He didn't come from excessive money, he wasn't a bonus baby, he wasn't coddled all the way through college, he didn't pay lip-service to his college time as simply "one step in the master plan"... He is the epitome of the "American way" of pulling himself up by the bootstraps, working hard, working RELENTLESSLY, and simply refusing to lose. He's exactly the living personification of why the 1980 Olympic hockey team captured our hearts and minds. But we also have a streak of having to cut down people that get TOO successful. It's almost like we have to find ways to undermine that success once it gets out of hand.
I don't care about any of that. I just hated him in the beginning because I was a fan of Peyton. But he won me over because...he earned my respect over time. Sure, he comes off as Tom Kardashian at times, but the guy puts his money where his mouth is in terms of working hard and in his preparation.
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Yeah, and the other thing about Brady is...the respect he has from not only his teammates, but also his peers. That always speaks volumes.
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For sure.
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NFL Draft tomorrow night! :metal
And if you're up for trying some different, give these guys a listen: https://www.theticket.com/
The draft coverage starts at 6:30 Central and while there will be a good focus on the Cowboys they really do a comprehensive job on ALL NFL teams and their player profiles after a a draft pick is made can be hilarious.
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I respect Brady and acknowledge his place in history.
But if he wins again, I'm just going to vomit.
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NFL Draft tomorrow night! :metal
And if you're up for trying some different, give these guys a listen: https://www.theticket.com/
The draft coverage starts at 6:30 Central and while there will be a good focus on the Cowboys they really do a comprehensive job on ALL NFL teams and their player profiles after a a draft pick is made can be hilarious.
Indeed. Jabbing an ice pick into your own ears is something very few will ever get to experience. Listening to the fucking Ticket will give everybody incentive to learn what it feels like. :lol
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It occurs to me that in 2022, when number changes are free, the Patriots are going to have the most irrational positional numbering in the league. Each 10 will have one of every position. His receivers will be 03, 17, 21,34, 42, and 99. His linebackers and DBs will follow the same pattern. The only players with numbers in the 80s will be running backs. Bill might think it's a stupid idea, and he may have voted against it, but he's damn sure pondering ways to use it to fuck with people. :lol
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That's funny. Belichick will be the one assigning everyone their number. He'll have it figured out by then.
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That's funny. Belichick will be the one assigning everyone their number. He'll have it figured out by then.
He's already got Matt Patricia doing the statistical and psychological analysis of how to create the most confusion. :lol
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:lol Too funny.
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He confuses his own fanbase on what he's going to do. :lol
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And the best part of it is that as soon as he uses the new numbering scheme to make John Harbaugh look silly the league will revert right back to the old rules.
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And the best part of it is that as soon as he uses the new numbering scheme to make John Harbaugh look silly the league will revert right back to the old rules.
Not after we see a post game meltdown from Harbaugh. :lol
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NFL Draft tomorrow night! :metal
And if you're up for trying some different, give these guys a listen: https://www.theticket.com/
The draft coverage starts at 6:30 Central and while there will be a good focus on the Cowboys they really do a comprehensive job on ALL NFL teams and their player profiles after a a draft pick is made can be hilarious.
Indeed. Jabbing an ice pick into your own ears is something very few will ever get to experience. Listening to the fucking Ticket will give everybody incentive to learn what it feels like. :lol
Let me guess - you don't listen to TA either! :lol
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NFL Draft tomorrow night! :metal
And if you're up for trying some different, give these guys a listen: https://www.theticket.com/
The draft coverage starts at 6:30 Central and while there will be a good focus on the Cowboys they really do a comprehensive job on ALL NFL teams and their player profiles after a a draft pick is made can be hilarious.
Indeed. Jabbing an ice pick into your own ears is something very few will ever get to experience. Listening to the fucking Ticket will give everybody incentive to learn what it feels like. :lol
Let me guess - you don't listen to TA either! :lol
I haven't really dug into their last album, but the first three I enjoy quite a bit. No idea what other TAs there are to listen to. For my part, I listen to NPR or jazz radio from Denton. I despise any radio program where the aim is to kill time by rambling about whatever comes to mind.
Speaking of which, Russ Martin up and dropped dead a few months ago. That wouldn't have been news to anybody outside of Dallas, but I figure there's an excellent chance you were either a fan or a mortal enemy of the guy. :lol
And that is, of course, the whole basis of talk radio. It's just like commercials and the RRHoF. It doesn't matter if you love them or hate them as long as you pay attention to them.
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NFL Draft tomorrow night! :metal
And if you're up for trying some different, give these guys a listen: https://www.theticket.com/
The draft coverage starts at 6:30 Central and while there will be a good focus on the Cowboys they really do a comprehensive job on ALL NFL teams and their player profiles after a a draft pick is made can be hilarious.
Indeed. Jabbing an ice pick into your own ears is something very few will ever get to experience. Listening to the fucking Ticket will give everybody incentive to learn what it feels like. :lol
Let me guess - you don't listen to TA either! :lol
I haven't really dug into their last album, but the first three I enjoy quite a bit. No idea what other TAs there are to listen to. For my part, I listen to NPR or jazz radio from Denton. I despise any radio program where the aim is to kill time by rambling about whatever comes to mind.
Speaking of which, Russ Martin up and dropped dead a few months ago. That wouldn't have been news to anybody outside of Dallas, but I figure there's an excellent chance you were either a fan or a mortal enemy of the guy. :lol
And that is, of course, the whole basis of talk radio. It's just like commercials and the RRHoF. It doesn't matter if you love them or hate them as long as you pay attention to them.
I was referring to The Astonishing but my bad for failing at a joke. But I would have hoped El Barto that you would have encouraged people to listen and make up their mind for themselves. People like what they like but to discourage listening is unfair but you be who you gotta be. The Ticket does a fantastic job during the draft.
BTW - I too love NPR.
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I don't mind the Broncos getting Bridgewater in a trade. They got him for nothing. He is a solid pro who can be a good starter until a young guy is ready. They had just better draft someone good this week. And call it a day on the Drew Lock story.
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Teddy is definitely a bridge QB. But of late, Denver has failed on QB's. I worry the Pat's are going to be in that cycle.
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Teddy is definitely a bridge QB. .
Well, yeah. I mean it's right there in his name.
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https://www.masslive.com/patriots/2021/04/jimmy-garoppolo-trade-rumors-patriots-working-on-new-contract-with-49ers-qb-report.html
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I'll believe that Tim when it's announced.
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Early Vegas odds are that Jimmy pulls a hammy on the way to signing that contract.
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Early Vegas odds are that Jimmy pulls a hammy on the way to signing that contract.
:lol
Or separates a shoulder lifting the pen.
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While nursing a groin injury from all that fun time with porn stars.
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I saw this in a store today..
(https://ansel.frgimages.com/new-england-patriots/patriots-declaration-of-domination-16x20-lithograph-photo-tom-brady-belichick_ss2_p-12889045+pv-13787167+u-8jlvd75kxp1hx8fa02wa+v-e656330ca7c24f4e9522f89324d964d5.jpg?_hv=1&w=600)
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Early Vegas odds are that Jimmy pulls a hammy on the way to signing that contract.
Yup. Lol
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I saw this in a store today..
(https://ansel.frgimages.com/new-england-patriots/patriots-declaration-of-domination-16x20-lithograph-photo-tom-brady-belichick_ss2_p-12889045+pv-13787167+u-8jlvd75kxp1hx8fa02wa+v-e656330ca7c24f4e9522f89324d964d5.jpg?_hv=1&w=600)
Seems odd that the only two I recognize haven't played for NE in 10 years.
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And the best part of it is that as soon as he uses the new numbering scheme to make John Harbaugh look silly the league will revert right back to the old rules.
Or, within six weeks, every team in the league will have their own f-ed up numbering scheme.
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https://www.masslive.com/patriots/2021/04/jimmy-garoppolo-trade-rumors-patriots-working-on-new-contract-with-49ers-qb-report.html
There were at least 100 ways of answering this question (whether he could guarantee Garoppolo would be on the roster this year), and THIS is how Shanahan chooses to go:
“I can’t guarantee that anybody in the world will be alive Sunday, so I can’t guarantee who will be on our roster.” Shanahan replied grimly."
Give me my moment in the sun: I called this, here, back when he left, and again when Brady left. Even with the fragility, "the devil you know". He can execute on McDaniels' scheme in ways that someone like a Cam Newton cannot (and never will).
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Anyone want to predict their teams first round pick(s)?
Packers could go OT, WR, CB or LB..... I’ll go Rashod Bateman, WR, Minnesota
If they go with the other positions...
OT Teven Jenkins, Oklahoma St.
CB Greg Newsome II, Northwestern
LB Zaven Collins, Tulsa
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Anyone want to predict their teams first round pick(s)?
Packers could go OT, WR, CB or LB..... I’ll go Rashod Bateman, WR, Minnesota
If they go with the other positions...
OT Teven Jenkins, Oklahoma St.
CB Greg Newsome II, Northwestern
LB Zaven Collins, Tulsa
Any truth to this talk about GB trading Rodgers to San Francisco?
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Anyone want to predict their teams first round pick(s)?
Packers could go OT, WR, CB or LB..... I’ll go Rashod Bateman, WR, Minnesota
If they go with the other positions...
OT Teven Jenkins, Oklahoma St.
CB Greg Newsome II, Northwestern
LB Zaven Collins, Tulsa
Any truth to this talk about GB trading Rodgers to San Francisco?
None whatsoever.
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My theory is that if Trey Lance falls to somewhere NE can reasonably trade up for him (8-12) they'll jump on him. If he doesn't they'll trade down and use a newly acquired 2nd rounder to get Jimmy G back. My guess is that he's the one Bill's actually interested in, but definitely not enough to start shelling out future 1st rounders for. Best case scenario is that he falls to ten and they can send Gilmore to Dallas instead of a pick.
It's also just as possible that Bill drafts a kicker in the first round, so who knows.
St. Rogers to SF makes absolutely zero sense whatsoever. It doesn't make sense for anybody. I certainly couldn't rule out the possibility that Rogers is calling Mayflower in the morning, but he won't be moving to SF.
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Now Sheffter has come out saying Rodgers doesn’t want to be in Green Bay. The Packers cannot trade him without being in salary cap hell, so it’s going to be play for GB or retire.
Who knows what’s going on.
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Now Sheffter has come out saying Rodgers doesn’t want to be in Green Bay. The Packers cannot trade him without being in salary cap hell, so it’s going to be play for GB or retire.
Who knows what’s going on.
If he were serious about it, the leverage be his. Retiring would count the same as trading him insofar as their cap hit is concerned. If he tells them to trade him or he'll retire they'll damn sure find a new home for him. Better the team in cap hell with an added first rounder than the one without.
Edit: according to Overthecap, there is no cap hell. If they cut him after June 1 they'll only come out a little behind the curve. If they trade him after June 1 they save about 5 million. Unless he's looking to be a horrendously spiteful dick (and this is Aaron Rodgers we're talking about :lol), the leverage be theirs.
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Now Sheffter has come out saying Rodgers doesn’t want to be in Green Bay. The Packers cannot trade him without being in salary cap hell, so it’s going to be play for GB or retire.
Who knows what’s going on.
If he were serious about it, the leverage be his. Retiring would count the same as trading him insofar as their cap hit is concerned. If he tells them to trade him or he'll retire they'll damn sure find a new home for him. Better the team in cap hell with an added first rounder than the one without.
Edit: according to Overthecap, there is no cap hell. If they cut him after June 1 they'll only come out a little behind the curve. If they trade him after June 1 they save about 5 million. Unless he's looking to be a horrendously spiteful dick (and this is Aaron Rodgers we're talking about :lol), the leverage be theirs.
HAHA good call! :)
He's always got Jeopardy to fall back on, no? :)
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Now Sheffter has come out saying Rodgers doesn’t want to be in Green Bay. The Packers cannot trade him without being in salary cap hell, so it’s going to be play for GB or retire.
Who knows what’s going on.
If he were serious about it, the leverage be his. Retiring would count the same as trading him insofar as their cap hit is concerned. If he tells them to trade him or he'll retire they'll damn sure find a new home for him. Better the team in cap hell with an added first rounder than the one without.
Edit: according to Overthecap, there is no cap hell. If they cut him after June 1 they'll only come out a little behind the curve. If they trade him after June 1 they save about 5 million. Unless he's looking to be a horrendously spiteful dick (and this is Aaron Rodgers we're talking about :lol), the leverage be theirs.
HAHA good call! :)
He's always got Jeopardy to fall back on, no? :)
Thanks to Brady, there will be teams willing to sell the farm to sign him. I wouldn't touch him, honestly, but there's a chance you get one trouble-free season out of him and he takes you all the way. It's just a matter of selling him your soul.
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I HIGHLY doubt Jimmy is going anywhere.
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I HIGHLY doubt Jimmy is going anywhere.
(https://www.bostonherald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/patsms038.jpg)
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My first round predictions for the Jets
Zach Wilson-QB
Greg Newsome II-CB
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Now Sheffter has come out saying Rodgers doesn’t want to be in Green Bay. The Packers cannot trade him without being in salary cap hell, so it’s going to be play for GB or retire.
Who knows what’s going on.
If he were serious about it, the leverage be his. Retiring would count the same as trading him insofar as their cap hit is concerned. If he tells them to trade him or he'll retire they'll damn sure find a new home for him. Better the team in cap hell with an added first rounder than the one without.
Edit: according to Overthecap, there is no cap hell. If they cut him after June 1 they'll only come out a little behind the curve. If they trade him after June 1 they save about 5 million. Unless he's looking to be a horrendously spiteful dick (and this is Aaron Rodgers we're talking about :lol), the leverage be theirs.
HAHA good call! :)
He's always got Jeopardy to fall back on, no? :)
Thanks to Brady, there will be teams willing to sell the farm to sign him. I wouldn't touch him, honestly, but there's a chance you get one trouble-free season out of him and he takes you all the way. It's just a matter of selling him your soul.
Who is close enough and missing that piece? I can see teams THINKING they're that close, but there aren't many.
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Now Sheffter has come out saying Rodgers doesn’t want to be in Green Bay. The Packers cannot trade him without being in salary cap hell, so it’s going to be play for GB or retire.
Who knows what’s going on.
If he were serious about it, the leverage be his. Retiring would count the same as trading him insofar as their cap hit is concerned. If he tells them to trade him or he'll retire they'll damn sure find a new home for him. Better the team in cap hell with an added first rounder than the one without.
Edit: according to Overthecap, there is no cap hell. If they cut him after June 1 they'll only come out a little behind the curve. If they trade him after June 1 they save about 5 million. Unless he's looking to be a horrendously spiteful dick (and this is Aaron Rodgers we're talking about :lol), the leverage be theirs.
HAHA good call! :)
He's always got Jeopardy to fall back on, no? :)
Thanks to Brady, there will be teams willing to sell the farm to sign him. I wouldn't touch him, honestly, but there's a chance you get one trouble-free season out of him and he takes you all the way. It's just a matter of selling him your soul.
Who is close enough and missing that piece? I can see teams THINKING they're that close, but there aren't many.
Ironically, SF. The Rams and Patriots, probably. Plenty of other teams could have been six weeks ago, had they the known. Truth is, Rodger's timing really sucks ass. SF and LAR both sold out already, so trading for StR would be prohibitively expensive, and he's just not a good fit for NE. So, yeah, you may have a point. At the same time, what actually matters is that teams THINK that they are.
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I respect Brady and acknowledge his place in history.
But if he wins again, I'm just going to vomit.
This about sums it up for me. :puke:
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My god are these announcers HORRIBLE (ESPN doing the draft).
They're all screaming, talking 87 miles a minute, and throwing out hyperbole like Tootsie Rolls at a Memorial Day parade. One of the guys - it wasn't Kiper, and it wasn't Booger - actually called Trevor Lawrence "not a pick, but a coronation!"
Observation: Zach Wilson looks like Zack Efron.
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Not buying the rumors about the Broncos being close to trading for Rodgers. Rodgers is a moody prick, but I can't blame him for wanting out.
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Not buying the rumors about the Broncos being close to trading for Rodgers. Rodgers is a moody prick, but I can't blame him for wanting out.
I'd stick with Teddy Bridgewater; unless he's hurt, I don't think that's a bad choice, frankly.
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My god are these announcers HORRIBLE (ESPN doing the draft).
They're all screaming, talking 87 miles a minute, and throwing out hyperbole like Tootsie Rolls at a Memorial Day parade. One of the guys - it wasn't Kiper, and it wasn't Booger - actually called Trevor Lawrence "not a pick, but a coronation!"
Observation: Zach Wilson looks like Zack Efron.
Making them take all ten minutes is annoying as fuck. After a few picks they probably need that long to consider trade offers, but the first two picks were done deals and there weren't any trades going to happen. Like Jacksonville is holding out hope that at the 8th minute somebody's going to go full on Ditka for the next three drafts? Are they taking phone calls from GMs trying to low ball them? "Well, it never hurts to ask!" The first three picks should have taken 3 minutes, tops, and not 30.
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Not buying the rumors about the Broncos being close to trading for Rodgers. Rodgers is a moody prick, but I can't blame him for wanting out.
I'd stick with Teddy Bridgewater; unless he's hurt, I don't think that's a bad choice, frankly.
Ideally, no, but if you have the chance to acquire an elite QB still in his prime, you do it. He would make the Broncos an instant top AFC contender, just like the Packers would plummet to being an afterthought in the NFC if they lost him.
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Making them take all ten minutes is annoying as fuck. After a few picks they probably need that long to consider trade offers, but the first two picks were done deals and there weren't any trades going to happen. Like Jacksonville is holding out hope that at the 8th minute somebody's going to go full on Ditka for the next three drafts? Are they taking phone calls from GMs trying to low ball them? "Well, it never hurts to ask!" The first three picks should have taken 3 minutes, tops, and not 30.
I agree, but I suspect the NFL waits to announce the pick to milk the clock and get ratings. They know ratings are probably the highest on Day 1, especially early in the draft, and flying through a few early picks quickly won't help in that regard.
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The question is whether or not Elway would be willing to let StR be the co-head coach. If you let him do whateverthehell he wants to do Rogers will be great. If you expect him to play the way you want him to be, in other words, a team player, he'll just be a miserable prick. Also, my understanding is that he wants big money. I just can't see that being a good move in most circumstances.
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Making them take all ten minutes is annoying as fuck. After a few picks they probably need that long to consider trade offers, but the first two picks were done deals and there weren't any trades going to happen. Like Jacksonville is holding out hope that at the 8th minute somebody's going to go full on Ditka for the next three drafts? Are they taking phone calls from GMs trying to low ball them? "Well, it never hurts to ask!" The first three picks should have taken 3 minutes, tops, and not 30.
I agree, but I suspect the NFL waits to announce the pick to milk the clock and get ratings. They know ratings are probably the highest on Day 1, especially early in the draft, and flying through a few early picks quickly won't help in that regard.
That's certainly why they do it. It's also why I never watch the silly thing.
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Making them take all ten minutes is annoying as fuck. After a few picks they probably need that long to consider trade offers, but the first two picks were done deals and there weren't any trades going to happen. Like Jacksonville is holding out hope that at the 8th minute somebody's going to go full on Ditka for the next three drafts? Are they taking phone calls from GMs trying to low ball them? "Well, it never hurts to ask!" The first three picks should have taken 3 minutes, tops, and not 30.
I agree, but I suspect the NFL waits to announce the pick to milk the clock and get ratings. They know ratings are probably the highest on Day 1, especially early in the draft, and flying through a few early picks quickly won't help in that regard.
That's certainly why they do it. It's also why I never watch the silly thing.
It was cringe-worthy watching Goodell - in the face of a wave of boos - trying to pump up the crowd like Paul Stanley. I also thought it funny when he brought the fan up to sit in the chair he used in the 2020 draft. :tdwn
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Goodell seemed to encourage the boos at one point early on, and that is the way to do it. Embrace your inner villain and egg the fans on when they boo you. If dopes show up just to boo the commissioner instead of enjoying the draft experience, might as well troll them.
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It was cringe-worthy watching Goodell - in the face of a wave of boos - trying to pump up the crowd like Paul Stanley.
Not for nothing, but lately it's been cringy watching Paul Stanley pump a crowd up.
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Goodell seemed to encourage the boos at one point early on, and that is the way to do it. Embrace your inner villain and egg the fans on when they boo you. If dopes show up just to boo the commissioner instead of enjoying the draft experience, might as well troll them.
Gary Bettman is good at that in the NHL draft and in the final game of the Cup finals (especially if the cup winners are the away team).
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It was cringe-worthy watching Goodell - in the face of a wave of boos - trying to pump up the crowd like Paul Stanley.
Not for nothing, but lately it's been cringy watching Paul Stanley pump a crowd up.
I asked for that, didn't I?
Another observation: apparently, and I didn't know this, but comely young women are attracted to strapping young college football players. Who'd a thought?
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Why two separate ads with Justin Fields, and not one ad with any other draft pick? One had Baker Mayfield rooting him on (this was before he was drafted), saying he was excited to see what Fields could do in the NFL, and one with Drew Brees and Lowes (this was just after being selected by the Bears), talking about Fields' off-the-field contributions.
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Why two separate ads with Justin Fields, and not one ad with any other draft pick? One had Baker Mayfield rooting him on (this was before he was drafted), saying he was excited to see what Fields could do in the NFL, and one with Drew Brees and Lowes (this was just after being selected by the Bears), talking about Fields' off-the-field contributions.
Do you really have to ask? I think we know the answer to that.
LOL at that last pick. Not the pick, but the reactions of those Jets fans. You can tell they had never heard of the player selected, and after a split second or two of blank stares, they then whooped it up. :lol :lol
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Wow. Mac Jones. That's a surprise.
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INB4 the obligatory "the NFL wanted Belichick to have this QB...."
Oh, and Jimmy G. just trashed his den. :)
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After waiting 10 minutes each for the first three rounds, the Patriots and the Jets before them both had their picks in 3 minutes. They came so fast it completely screwed the talking heads at ESPN who thought NYJ had picked Mac Jones. :lol
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Poor Mac Jones. He has the pressure of being a 1st round pick, playing under a coach where fun is never allowed, and for a fanbase that will crucify him if he struggles early since he is not TB12. Good luck with that. :lol :lol
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Poor Mac Jones. He has the pressure of being a 1st round pick, playing under a coach where fun is never allowed, and for a fanbase that will crucify him if he struggles early since he is not TB12. Good luck with that. :lol :lol
I don't think any Patriots fans expect him to be TB12. The pressure is on Belichick. He's the one that'll be nailed to a tree if he sucks.
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Poor Mac Jones. He has the pressure of being a 1st round pick, playing under a coach where fun is never allowed, and for a fanbase that will crucify him if he struggles early since he is not TB12. Good luck with that. :lol :lol
He said he was hoping to drop to the Pats. He also played for a Belichick clone in college.
I think he is in the same position to Mahomes where hell be inserted late season. Time to learn.
At least that's what I hope.
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Belichick and Saban are buddies, so I am sure his pal talked him up to the Hoodie. Shocking I know that the two grumpiest coaches in sports would be pals, right? :lol
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I watched a 30/30 or whatever it is on ESPN with Kirk Herbstreit about Mac Jones, and he's not going to have any problem with Belichick. It's going to be the expectations, the market, the fans, the pundits. I like this pick a lot, given that there are no sure bets in the NFL.
One thing I don't know yet if I like is Cam Newton as mentor. I think the price for Jimmy G. will be far too high for a season or two of teaching, but if there's a QB out there that knows how to win, knows how to work, and knows how to be a team player first, that's the guy you want taking the snaps in the first x games before Mac The Knife (Slicing up defenses! I'm starting that, do you think it will stick? :) ) comes in. I'm thinking something like Kurt Warner in Eli's first year in the league.
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Belichick and Saban are buddies, so I am sure his pal talked him up to the Hoodie. Shocking I know that the two grumpiest coaches in sports would be pals, right? :lol
:lol
Both with the dry sarcastic humor.
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I'm not sure how I feel about Mac Jones. For the price this was a no-brainer. Absolutely the right pick at 15, and beating Chicago's offer to snag Fields would have been foolish. There were QBs I liked better in the draft, and I suspect BB liked others better, too. However, like Stadler said, there are no sure things, and I'm not sure why I like some better than others right now. All I really know is that by all accounts this kid is a genius level QB, and in the NE system I think that's probably what matters most. On paper he really does sound like the perfect fit for NE. As for the intangibles, I think Bill would have been just as keen to sign Phillips or Moehrig if he didn't think Mac Jones was his kind of guy. Hell, he could have traded down and still snagged the best safety on the board. I'm pretty confident he's confident this kid's personality is going to mesh with the team's atmosphere.
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I'm not sure how I feel about Mac Jones. For the price this was a no-brainer. Absolutely the right pick at 15, and beating Chicago's offer to snag Fields would have been foolish. There were QBs I liked better in the draft, and I suspect BB liked others better, too. However, like Stadler said, there are no sure things, and I'm not sure why I like some better than others right now. All I really know is that by all accounts this kid is a genius level QB, and in the NE system I think that's probably what matters most. On paper he really does sound like the perfect fit for NE. As for the intangibles, I think Bill would have been just as keen to sign Phillips or Moehrig if he didn't think Mac Jones was his kind of guy. Hell, he could have traded down and still snagged the best safety on the board. I'm pretty confident he's confident this kid's personality is going to mesh with the team's atmosphere.
How do you rank the big names:
Lawrence
Lance
Efron
Fields
Jones
I have:
Lawrence
Jones
Lance
Efron
Fields
Even though, I guess, that makes me a racist.
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Since I don't watch college ball, I'm really not qualified to rank them at all. Based on what tiny bits I've seen, I liked the high upside of Lance. Moreover, given that Cam is currently a Patriot, I think that was a very good situation for him. Like him or not, Cam has been a lockerroom hero by all accounts, and their play styles are the same. I'm not entirely sure how Cam mentors a QB so fundamentally different than him.
My hunch is that if the Bears don't trade up Bill would rather have had Fields. Either way, with the 15th pick, either of them are no-brainers.
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Some of this is feel; if all other things are equal, and I have to choose between "smart" QB and the "pure athlete" QB, I'm taking the smart QB all day. In the modern NFL, I think you need both - Mahomes, Jackson, Watson - but gun to head, I'll take Drew Brees over Jameis Winston or Cam Newton.
The Cowboys tend to draft "pure athelets" and the Patriots tend to draft "smart", and look over the last 20 years.
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Idk how I feel about the Elijah Moore pick. On one hand, surrounding Zach Wilson with as much offensive talent as possible will help with his development, and wide receiver depth/talent has long been an issue for this Jets offense. On the other hand, through the first three rounds (Jets have no third round pick due to trading up in round one for Alijah Vera-Tucker, which is a pick I quite liked) this team has only picked offensive players, and on defense they desperately need an edge rusher as well as some cornerback talent. One good way to put pressure on your young quarterback and offense is to make them have to get into a shootout for every game because your defense can’t stop anyone. This Jets offense has a lot of promise, but the defense has me very concerned.
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Bucs took QB Trask, only time will tell if he's the QB the Bucs can stick with. I vaguely remember him being just ok with the Gators.
I'm very curious where this talk regarding Rogers not wanting to come back to the Packers goes. Doesn't look like the front office wants him to be traded but if the gossip is real that Rogers himself doesn't want to return... then he's going to just try his luck hosting Jeopardy?
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I'm very curious where this talk regarding Rogers not wanting to come back to the Packers goes. Doesn't look like the front office wants him to be traded but if the gossip is real that Rogers himself doesn't want to return... then he's going to just try his luck hosting Jeopardy?
The more that comes out, the more I think Rodgers will either get traded or retire (if they refuse to trade him). I don't see him playing for the Packers again. They are basically a clown franchise at this point, but it's been disguised for 30 years. How do you luck into 30 years of Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers and only make it to three Super Bowls?? :lol And they can't even use the "But the Patriots dynasty..." as an excuse since they were in the other conference. Clowns. Not that I don't think Rodgers is a condescending dick, but I don't blame him for wanting to get away from that franchise now.
(I meant to post this in the new NFL thread earlier)
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I'm actually glad the Niners took Lance instead of Mac Jones, like everyone was predicting. I think Lance fits the Niners play style much more. Plus his ceiling seems much higher.
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There are few offenses in the NFL over the years as QB-friendly as the Shanahan version of the WCO, so Trey Lance will be in position to succeed from the start. I think they'd be smart to hang on to Jimmy G until Lance is ready to start.
Seems like most are saying the Broncos new GM crushed in in his first draft (and Elway did mostly good in his as well, he just failed miserably at getting the right QB), but all of that is for naught without the right QB.
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There are few offenses in the NFL over the years as QB-friendly as the Shanahan version of the WCO, so Trey Lance will be in position to succeed from the start. I think they'd be smart to hang on to Jimmy G until Lance is ready to start.
Seems like most are saying the Broncos new GM crushed in in his first draft (and Elway did mostly good in his as well, he just failed miserably at getting the right QB), but all of that is for naught without the right QB.
I wouldn't expect Jimmy to be going anywhere anytime soon (unless he gets hurt again). But I would expect Lance to also get some game time sooner rather than later as well. I think they'll find some creative uses for him, not too much unlike Hill in NOLA. And Jimmy seems to have the right temperment to roll with that type of thing rather than put up a fuss and feel threatened by it.
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I wouldn't expect Jimmy to be going anywhere anytime soon (unless he gets hurt again). But I would expect Lance to also get some game time sooner rather than later as well. I think they'll find some creative uses for him, not too much unlike Hill in NOLA. And Jimmy seems to have the right temperment to roll with that type of thing rather than put up a fuss and feel threatened by it.
I think Cowherd had a good take on this last week. The 49ers got Garoppolo for not a lot (a 2nd round pick), and he helped them make it to a Super Bowl, so they've already gotten value out of the trade, so keep him, start him when he's healthy until the rookie is ready, and be happy.
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Plus, they owe him money so play him while the future learns the system. It always works better that way.
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I've gotta say, I'm really happy with how the Jets' draft played out. I'll offer a disclaimer that I don't know dick about college football, so I have no opinion on Wilson vs Fields vs Lance vs Jones. That said, I know I wanted the Jets to take a QB at 2 even though I'm not ready to write off Sam Darnold as a starting caliber QB, and I know Zach Wilson was more commonly regarded as the second-best prospect in the class behind Trevor Lawrence than any of the others from the scouts that I follow, and a number of them said that his skill set lines up well with the Shanahan system that Mike Lafleur will be installing. Then they went all-in on offense with their next few picks. This roster had holes on both sides of the ball, they were never going to fill them all in one draft, so why not start by surrounding the new QB with as much to work with as possible. AVT will make for a terrific partner in crim with Mehki Becton, Elijah Moore adds explosive playmaking to a receiving corps that was already better than anything Darnold ever had to work with, and Michael Carter offers value as a receiver out of the backfield. From there they shifted gears and spent their late round picks on the defensive side of the football. Players that at the very least should be able to contribute on special teams, and if they find a late round gem then it's one less piece to acquire in the future.
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So Jordan Love will be the Packers starting QB next year??
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So Jordan Love will be the Packers starting QB next year??
As a fan who wants the team to win, I hope not.
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So Jordan Love will be the Packers starting QB next year??
As a fan who wants the team to win, I hope not.
Word on the street is that if AR doesn't get a trade to a team he wants (Denver) then he'll retire. I think he's done with GB.
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Word on the street is that if AR doesn't get a trade to a team he wants (Denver) then he'll retire. I think he's done with GB.
Unless they fire the GM, who apparently is the guy Rodgers hates with a passion, I think I agree. Rodgers seems like a guy who holds grudges and doesn't bluff, and I totally him saying, "Screw you guys, I'm going home," if they don't trade him or fire the GM.
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Word on the street is that if AR doesn't get a trade to a team he wants (Denver) then he'll retire. I think he's done with GB.
Unless they fire the GM, who apparently is the guy Rodgers hates with a passion, I think I agree. Rodgers seems like a guy who holds grudges and doesn't bluff, and I totally him saying, "Screw you guys, I'm going home," if they don't trade him or fire the GM.
So what's the story there? Is it because the front office wasn't drafting the players he wanted or is it because they drafted his supposed successor last year? I mean, Pack fans have got to be sick about this.
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Word on the street is that if AR doesn't get a trade to a team he wants (Denver) then he'll retire. I think he's done with GB.
Unless they fire the GM, who apparently is the guy Rodgers hates with a passion, I think I agree. Rodgers seems like a guy who holds grudges and doesn't bluff, and I totally him saying, "Screw you guys, I'm going home," if they don't trade him or fire the GM.
So what's the story there? Is it because the front office wasn't drafting the players he wanted or is it because they drafted his supposed successor last year? I mean, Pack fans have got to be sick about this.
Rodgers feels the front office (GM) doesn’t communicate their ideas on how/what changes need to be made, especially as it pertains to Rodgers. They dumped their QB coach a couple of years ago without Rodgers input and cut a WR Rodgers thought should make the team last season, and I guess things like this have been going on for a while. Cap it off with trading up in the first round last year to pick his replacement and here we are.
I can see it from both sides, but neither side is handling it well at all.
But if every fifteen years we have to deal with a Hall of Fame QB having a fit sign me up.
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Some folks on the Jeopardy! Facebook page are hoping that Rodgers will be the new, permanent host. I assume most are not aware that that would not be realistic since he's still playing. I also joked that, if he got the job, he'd probably demand a trade to Wheel of Fortune.
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Some folks on the Jeopardy! Facebook page are hoping that Rodgers will be the new, permanent host. I assume most are not aware that that would not be realistic since he's still playing. I also joked that, if he got the job, he'd probably demand a trade to Wheel of Fortune.
Well I didn't think he was that great as a host on J but J said that they could accommodate his schedule filming during the offseason. I hear that they do multiple shows a day. Anyway, I'm really looking forward to Joe Buck hosting.
Bringing it back to sports - word on the street is that Denver is about to pull the trigger on a trade.
:lol (Trade to Wheel of Fortune) That's a good one......
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A few other things. They made a commitment to trade him then backed out. He wanted to go to SF. They never draft offensive help in the first round. If they had drafted Wirfs (or another receiver) last year instead of letting TB get him Rodgers is likely back in the SB. He’s had enough of the BS.
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A few other things. They made a commitment to trade him then backed out. He wanted to go to SF. They never draft offensive help in the first round. If they had drafted Wirfs (or another receiver) last year instead of letting TB get him Rodgers is likely back in the SB. He’s had enough of the BS.
Brady never had a #1 pick that was for the offense until the last year with the Pats. Harry was drafted #32. The last in the 1st round. How did that offense do?
BTW, the are all divas. Every great QB is a diva.
EDIT: It's offensive weapons for both. Both have had O line picks.
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Some folks on the Jeopardy! Facebook page are hoping that Rodgers will be the new, permanent host. I assume most are not aware that that would not be realistic since he's still playing. I also joked that, if he got the job, he'd probably demand a trade to Wheel of Fortune.
Well I didn't think he was that great as a host on J but J said that they could accommodate his schedule filming during the offseason. I hear that they do multiple shows a day. Anyway, I'm really looking forward to Joe Buck hosting.
Bringing it back to sports - word on the street is that Denver is about to pull the trigger on a trade.
:lol (Trade to Wheel of Fortune) That's a good one......
They should have gotten Aikman, instead. "Oh, now that's just ridiculous. I can't believe you said that. Do they even screen contestants anymore?"
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A few other things. They made a commitment to trade him then backed out. He wanted to go to SF. They never draft offensive help in the first round. If they had drafted Wirfs (or another receiver) last year instead of letting TB get him Rodgers is likely back in the SB. He’s had enough of the BS.
Brady never had a #1 pick that was for the offense until the last year with the Pats. Harry was drafted #32. The last in the 1st round. How did that offense do?
BTW, the are all divas. Every great QB is a diva.
EDIT: It's offensive weapons for both. Both have had O line picks.
Terry Glenn, Randy Moss, Sony Michel, Brandon Cooks, and I'm sure there are several others.
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Terry Glen is Bledsoe, Moss and Cooks drafted on other teams. Yup. I missed Michel. The TV heads were talking that Rodgers had had no offensive weapons drafted while he was the Starter of GB. That he wanted input into who was drafted.
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I was wrong again with another player. Maroney. 2006 Draft. 1st round.
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Some folks on the Jeopardy! Facebook page are hoping that Rodgers will be the new, permanent host. I assume most are not aware that that would not be realistic since he's still playing. I also joked that, if he got the job, he'd probably demand a trade to Wheel of Fortune.
Well I didn't think he was that great as a host on J but J said that they could accommodate his schedule filming during the offseason. I hear that they do multiple shows a day. Anyway, I'm really looking forward to Joe Buck hosting.
Bringing it back to sports - word on the street is that Denver is about to pull the trigger on a trade.
:lol (Trade to Wheel of Fortune) That's a good one......
I'm looking forward to Buck too. Filming an entire season of Jeopardy during the football offseason would be really difficult. The standard schedule is to film five episodes per day, twice a week, and they pump out about 230 episodes per season.
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Some folks on the Jeopardy! Facebook page are hoping that Rodgers will be the new, permanent host. I assume most are not aware that that would not be realistic since he's still playing. I also joked that, if he got the job, he'd probably demand a trade to Wheel of Fortune.
Well I didn't think he was that great as a host on J but J said that they could accommodate his schedule filming during the offseason. I hear that they do multiple shows a day. Anyway, I'm really looking forward to Joe Buck hosting.
Bringing it back to sports - word on the street is that Denver is about to pull the trigger on a trade.
:lol (Trade to Wheel of Fortune) That's a good one......
They should have gotten Aikman, instead. "Oh, now that's just ridiculous. I can't believe you said that. Do they even screen contestants anymore?"
I'd pay money to see that. :)
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Some folks on the Jeopardy! Facebook page are hoping that Rodgers will be the new, permanent host. I assume most are not aware that that would not be realistic since he's still playing. I also joked that, if he got the job, he'd probably demand a trade to Wheel of Fortune.
Well I didn't think he was that great as a host on J but J said that they could accommodate his schedule filming during the offseason. I hear that they do multiple shows a day. Anyway, I'm really looking forward to Joe Buck hosting.
Bringing it back to sports - word on the street is that Denver is about to pull the trigger on a trade.
:lol (Trade to Wheel of Fortune) That's a good one......
I'm looking forward to Buck too. Filming an entire season of Jeopardy during the football offseason would be really difficult. The standard schedule is to film five episodes per day, twice a week, and they pump out about 230 episodes per season.
Well, if he retires, it's all moot. "Trade me or I go host Jeopardy, bitches!"
And as much as I like watching him play, "diva" is the right word; that GM he hates so much switched coaches for him with no compunction. A man's got to know his limitations.
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For all of his success, it is not surprising that not finishing the perfect season in 2007 still causes knots in Tom Brady's stomach. It's always interesting how someone can be so wildly successful, yet still let a particular failure or two gnaw away at them forever. It's human nature.
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For all of his success, it is not surprising that not finishing the perfect season in 2007 still causes knots in Tom Brady's stomach. It's always interesting how someone can be so wildly successful, yet still let a particular failure or two gnaw away at them forever. It's human nature.
Yeah, very true. What amused me is that he quantified its value. Two rings, but not 3? :lol
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His drive, competiveness is different than most. He should be doing a modern day commercial like Robert Conrad did for Eveready batteries. :lol
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His drive, competiveness is different than most. He should be doing a modern day commercial like Robert Conrad did for Eveready batteries. :lol
It's funny. I've seen him do a commercial where I thought he could actually act pretty well. Not sure what it was for, but he was alluding to deflategate in it. Then I saw him in a local commercial for some service up there (might have been related to MRIs) and he was the worst actor I've ever seen. Looked like some awkward jr. high production.
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But even in the MRI commercial, he's in total control of that. It's supposed to be kind of corny.
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For all of his success, it is not surprising that not finishing the perfect season in 2007 still causes knots in Tom Brady's stomach. It's always interesting how someone can be so wildly successful, yet still let a particular failure or two gnaw away at them forever. It's human nature.
Yeah, very true. What amused me is that he quantified its value. Two rings, but not 3? :lol
Haha, exactly.
This will be a weird analogy for some, but Tom Brady is to football what Taylor Swift is to music. Their greatness is so overwhelming now that it is impossible to ignore, but the haters are still there, yet their credibility it shot to hell. The haters at this point might as well try pissing into a tornado. :lol And like Taylor not winning a Grammy for Red (which destroyed her at the time) will likely always bug the crap out of her, TB12 not getting that perfect season will always bug him. And I get it. When you are used to winning, the rare losing is all the more crushing, especially when you are oh so close.
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His drive, competiveness is different than most. He should be doing a modern day commercial like Robert Conrad did for Eveready batteries. :lol
It's funny. I've seen him do a commercial where I thought he could actually act pretty well. Not sure what it was for, but he was alluding to deflategate in it. Then I saw him in a local commercial for some service up there (might have been related to MRIs) and he was the worst actor I've ever seen. Looked like some awkward jr. high production.
He's not bad but he's no Peyton when it comes to commercials. Peyton slays it every time.
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His drive, competiveness is different than most. He should be doing a modern day commercial like Robert Conrad did for Eveready batteries. :lol
It's funny. I've seen him do a commercial where I thought he could actually act pretty well. Not sure what it was for, but he was alluding to deflategate in it. Then I saw him in a local commercial for some service up there (might have been related to MRIs) and he was the worst actor I've ever seen. Looked like some awkward jr. high production.
He's not bad but he's no Peyton when it comes to commercials. Peyton slays it every time.
In fairness, Peyton's never asked to do anything but be Peyton. While Brady couldn't even to that in the MRI commercial, that doesn't exactly make Peyton Peter Ustinov.
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I could add both acting on SNL. Brady was good (the sexual misconduct skit) but Peyton's (Playing football with the kids) was outstanding.
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I could add both acting on SNL. Brady was good (the sexual misconduct skit) but Peyton's (Playing football with the kids) was outstanding.
Fair enough. The only thing I find worse than modern SNL is modern SNL with athletes hosting. I would have left the country if necessary to avoid watching those.
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Especially Charles Barkley. lol
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In fairness, Peyton's never asked to do anything but be Peyton. While Brady couldn't even to that in the MRI commercial, that doesn't exactly make Peyton Peter Ustinov.
Peter Ustinov was the standard you chose to equate with excellence?
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In fairness, Peyton's never asked to do anything but be Peyton. While Brady couldn't even to that in the MRI commercial, that doesn't exactly make Peyton Peter Ustinov.
Peter Ustinov was the standard you chose to equate with excellence?
You got something against Peter Ustinov? :lol
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His drive, competiveness is different than most. He should be doing a modern day commercial like Robert Conrad did for Eveready batteries. :lol
It's funny. I've seen him do a commercial where I thought he could actually act pretty well. Not sure what it was for, but he was alluding to deflategate in it. Then I saw him in a local commercial for some service up there (might have been related to MRIs) and he was the worst actor I've ever seen. Looked like some awkward jr. high production.
He's not bad but he's no Peyton when it comes to commercials. Peyton slays it every time.
Those commercials with Brad Paisley (who I also love) are classic. I love the one where they are song-writing and Peyton is coming up with the lyrics. The other one that's good is where Peyton makes the miniature city, and all the little characters have backstories.
Compare to Tom's TikTok's, which look like one of those local car commercials (up here in CT it's usually a building tradesman, like a roofer) where the owner thinks he's Billy Friggin' Crystal, going for warm and homey and landing in awkward and stiff.
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Him and Eli walking through the ESPN halls with their dad acting like little boys kills me every time.
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For all of his success, it is not surprising that not finishing the perfect season in 2007 still causes knots in Tom Brady's stomach. It's always interesting how someone can be so wildly successful, yet still let a particular failure or two gnaw away at them forever. It's human nature.
Yeah, very true. What amused me is that he quantified its value. Two rings, but not 3? :lol
Haha, exactly.
This will be a weird analogy for some, but Tom Brady is to football what Taylor Swift is to music. Their greatness is so overwhelming now that it is impossible to ignore, but the haters are still there, yet their credibility it shot to hell. The haters at this point might as well try pissing into a tornado. :lol And like Taylor not winning a Grammy for Red (which destroyed her at the time) will likely always bug the crap out of her, TB12 not getting that perfect season will always bug him. And I get it. When you are used to winning, the rare losing is all the more crushing, especially when you are oh so close.
There are famous people here, I guess, but I think there's a level of "celebrity" and "success" where you can no longer really say "they're just like you and me". I've worked with people like that (Jack Welch comes to mind) who just view things differently. I know it's fun and popular to say "Oh, Bruce is just a regular guy", or "Bono is a mate, mate!", but at a certain level, they're not. These people work at their craft at a level that I think is just out of the ordinary for most people, and when that work, that craft, doesn't result in the goal at hand, it's something else to process.
That's why I always said that the Deflategate thing missed the point entirely. Brady didn't tell anyone to in- or de-flate anything. HE DIDN'T HAVE TO. All he had to do is say "wow, it's so much better to throw a soft ball" and SOMEONE was going to take the initiative to do that.
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For all of his success, it is not surprising that not finishing the perfect season in 2007 still causes knots in Tom Brady's stomach. It's always interesting how someone can be so wildly successful, yet still let a particular failure or two gnaw away at them forever. It's human nature.
Yeah, very true. What amused me is that he quantified its value. Two rings, but not 3? :lol
Haha, exactly.
This will be a weird analogy for some, but Tom Brady is to football what Taylor Swift is to music. Their greatness is so overwhelming now that it is impossible to ignore, but the haters are still there, yet their credibility it shot to hell. The haters at this point might as well try pissing into a tornado. :lol And like Taylor not winning a Grammy for Red (which destroyed her at the time) will likely always bug the crap out of her, TB12 not getting that perfect season will always bug him. And I get it. When you are used to winning, the rare losing is all the more crushing, especially when you are oh so close.
Would have been a lot nicer if you could have used Rush in your analogy.
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A few other things. They made a commitment to trade him then backed out. He wanted to go to SF. They never draft offensive help in the first round. If they had drafted Wirfs (or another receiver) last year instead of letting TB get him Rodgers is likely back in the SB. He’s had enough of the BS.
Brady never had a #1 pick that was for the offense until the last year with the Pats. Harry was drafted #32. The last in the 1st round. How did that offense do?
BTW, the are all divas. Every great QB is a diva.
EDIT: It's offensive weapons for both. Both have had O line picks.
Belichick drafted and coached well enough that Brady could "win" a Super Bowl by scoring 13 points. I don't think he needs our sympathy.
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A few other things. They made a commitment to trade him then backed out. He wanted to go to SF. They never draft offensive help in the first round. If they had drafted Wirfs (or another receiver) last year instead of letting TB get him Rodgers is likely back in the SB. He’s had enough of the BS.
Brady never had a #1 pick that was for the offense until the last year with the Pats. Harry was drafted #32. The last in the 1st round. How did that offense do?
BTW, the are all divas. Every great QB is a diva.
EDIT: It's offensive weapons for both. Both have had O line picks.
Belichick drafted and coached well enough that Brady could "win" a Super Bowl by scoring 13 points. I don't think he needs our sympathy.
No but the narrative that Rodgers never had help is laughable. They've made the playoffs many times. You still have to produce.
Also this Defense narrative for Brady is laughable as well. Of course you need balance to win a SB. Not one but 7 times. It's weak to try to lesson what Brady has done by saying that.
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Adam Schefter was on the Dan Patrick Show today and basically said neither the Rodgers camp or the Packers have fed info about what is going on. He said it was just an accumulation of information he’s heard since the season ended and just thought it was a good idea to mention it, on draft day, because, you know, ratings and clicks.
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That info was released on draft day by the Rodgers camp and it was done with a purpose. Not letting the owners off the hook. They do that stuff all the time.
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That info was released on draft day by the Rodgers camp and it was done with a purpose. Not letting the owners off the hook. They do that stuff all the time.
Not according to Schefter.... https://youtu.be/HVxsubIYe-k
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I read Schefter so many times and he's been wrong before. There was something calculating releasing that info on the day of the draft by Rodger's camp or GB. It happens all the time.
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The only beneficiary of the “report” was ESPN.
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The only beneficiary of the “report” was ESPN.
I don't believe that at all. If Rodgers is telling multiple people that he's so disgruntled (Schefter's report) that he wants out then it's Rodger's leaking it to anybody and it was a planned release.
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PFT Questioning Schefter on he Rodgers info.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/05/06/adam-schefter-seems-to-change-his-tune-about-when-he-obtained-the-aaron-rodgers-news/
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PFT Questioning Schefter on he Rodgers info.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/05/06/adam-schefter-seems-to-change-his-tune-about-when-he-obtained-the-aaron-rodgers-news/
Written by Mike Florio, known Rodgers hater.
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Oh I know but Rodger's leaked it. It was well known he had enough. So did he ok them to release the info the day of the draft or did Schefter decide to do it all by himself then the avalanche of info? Feels like what he said on Patrick's Podcast was take one for Rodgers so he still has that connection for info.
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Bucs play the Cowboys in the opener, Tom faces his former team in week 4, Green Bay signed Bortles. I can't believe I'm following so much football this off season, it's been ages since I've done so.
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Only the NFL can make a spectacle of the schedule release. :metal
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Only the NFL can make a spectacle of the schedule release. :metal
They try but most of the schedule was leaked, so any excitement and surprises were tempered by the time the “official release” happened.
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Broncos schedule doesn't look that difficult (on paper, things always change), meaning they could challenge the Chiefs for the division title once they trade for Rodgers next month. :hat
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Next to the Steelers, the Ravens have the most difficult schedule (based on last year's records). Those are the breaks with the rotating division schedules.
As a 'fan', I hate how it is set up for this year. Only one 1pm start during the first five weeks. Their first 1pm home game is not until Week 6. Only 9 of 17 are 1pm starts before any 'flexing' happens. The late starts eliminate any thoughts of hosting or visiting with friends, or going to the bar and watching a half.
There is a stretch of three straight home games, a bye, and then another home game. Following that is four road games in five weeks. No team should have more than two consecutive home or road games, but the NFL does this constantly. Also, two road MNF games, and one road TNF. No idea why such a historically winning program so rarely gets a home game on Monday night.
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Only the NFL can make a spectacle of the schedule release. :metal
They try but most of the schedule was leaked, so any excitement and surprises were tempered by the time the “official release” happened.
Sure enough but they did a 3 hour special last night. Name me one other sport that keeps people's attention year around. Curling? ;D
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Only the NFL can make a spectacle of the schedule release. :metal
They try but most of the schedule was leaked, so any excitement and surprises were tempered by the time the “official release” happened.
Sure enough but they did a 3 hour special last night. Name me one other sport that keeps people's attention year around. Curling? ;D
I actually watched about 20 minutes of women's curling last weekend. Switzerland against the unofficial Russian team. Some real talent on those teams. ;-)
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:facepalm: According to cbssports, the Steelers have the toughest schedule while the Bucs have the easiest. Can’t make this stuff up.
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I think it's hilarious how the Giants have two MNF games.... at KC and at TB :lol and their home schedule is 7x 1pm games. Totally irrelevant team and as a fan, I understand.
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:facepalm: According to cbssports, the Steelers have the toughest schedule while the Bucs have the easiest. Can’t make this stuff up.
You do realize that schedules are pre-determined, right? It is already set ahead of time what divisions you are playing from year to year outside of your own, and because the Steelers won their division, they get two more divisions winners from last year, and because the Bucs finished 2nd in their division, they get two more 2nd place teams from last year.
But, keep on, keeping on with the conspiracy talk.
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:facepalm: According to cbssports, the Steelers have the toughest schedule while the Bucs have the easiest. Can’t make this stuff up.
You do realize that schedules are pre-determined, right? It is already set ahead of time what divisions you are playing from year to year outside of your own, and because the Steelers won their division, they get two more divisions winners from last year, and because the Bucs finished 2nd in their division, they get two more 2nd place teams from last year.
But, keep on, keeping on with the conspiracy talk.
Part of it is the division teams are in. The Cowboys play in the worst division in football and they play those teams 6 times. Same with the Bucs as they play in a pretty easy division. However, the Steelers play in a really hard division so that's part of the equation.
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:facepalm: According to cbssports, the Steelers have the toughest schedule while the Bucs have the easiest. Can’t make this stuff up.
You do realize that schedules are pre-determined, right? It is already set ahead of time what divisions you are playing from year to year outside of your own, and because the Steelers won their division, they get two more divisions winners from last year, and because the Bucs finished 2nd in their division, they get two more 2nd place teams from last year.
But, keep on, keeping on with the conspiracy talk.
Yes, but you do realize it's Dream Team, and it's Brady, so there's no possible way it could be otherwise. Brady is also responsible for The Adrenaline Mob, Michael Weatherly leaving NCIS, Ben Affleck as Batman, Chik-fil-A closing on Sunday, and Napster.
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Well if TB is responsible for TA then all I have to say is - :metal :metal :metal
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:facepalm: According to cbssports, the Steelers have the toughest schedule while the Bucs have the easiest. Can’t make this stuff up.
You do realize that schedules are pre-determined, right? It is already set ahead of time what divisions you are playing from year to year outside of your own, and because the Steelers won their division, they get two more divisions winners from last year, and because the Bucs finished 2nd in their division, they get two more 2nd place teams from last year.
But, keep on, keeping on with the conspiracy talk.
Yes, but you do realize it's Dream Team, and it's Brady, so there's no possible way it could be otherwise. Brady is also responsible for The Astonishing, Michael Weatherly leaving NCIS, Ben Affleck as Batman, Chik-fil-A closing on Sunday, and Napster.
:lol
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Chick-fil-A not being open on Sundays is a little irksome at times, but anyone responsible for The Astonishing deserves a pat on the back.
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Okay, is that better? :) :) :)
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Okay, is that better? :) :) :)
Brady is also responsible for The Adrenaline Mob
Is that anything like "The Walmart"? Or is this a clever nod to your recent posts about the use/non-use of the the word "the"? :biggrin:
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Okay, is that better? :) :) :)
Brady is also responsible for The Adrenaline Mob
Is that anything like "The Walmart"? Or is this a clever nod to your recent posts about the use/non-use of the the word "the"? :biggrin:
Clever nod. :)
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Chick-fil-a sucks balls BTW. :tdwn
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Chick-fil-a sucks balls BTW. :tdwn
Must be a Texas thing, because we're the only two people who think that. :lol
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Unless you are someone whose political leanings can affect your taste buds, which would be quite be impressive ;), it doesn't get any better than CfA when it comes to fast food. That is admittedly a low bar to clear, but their food is yummy. And their drive-thru service is unreal. I went there a few weeks ago and there was a line wrapped around the entire building. At McDonald's, it would have taken 20 minutes to get through it (and like an hour at Steak N' Shake). That day I was through it in just over five minutes at CfA. :hat :hat
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Unless you are someone whose political leanings can affect your taste buds, which would be quite be impressive ;), it doesn't get any better than CfA when it comes to fast food. That is admittedly a low bar to clear, but their food is yummy. And their drive-thru service is unreal. I went there a few weeks ago and there was a line wrapped around the entire building. At McDonald's, it would have taken 20 minutes to get through it (and like an hour at Steak N' Shake). That day I was through it in just over five minutes at CfA. :hat :hat
I first had CFA when I worked at a Baskin-Robbins at a mall from 1985-88. CFA, Burger King and Orange Julius were about the only options for an actual meal (maybe there was a Sbarros too?). Awesome nuggets. After I stopped working at the mall, I probably didn't see another CFA until about 15 years ago. Their fries are a little meh, but the nuggets and sandwiches remain at the top of the fast-food chicken game. Their lemonade is really good too, albeit more pulpy than I like.
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Chick-Fil-A sucks and it has nothing to do with my political leanings.
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Chick-fil-a sucks balls BTW. :tdwn
Must be a Texas thing, because we're the only two people who think that. :lol
Whattt!! It's fucking delicious (https://youtu.be/XEzSPvBPVB8)
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Their fries are conference final quality, the rest matches up with the Lions and Jaguars.
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I put them in the "not bad" category. Their breakfasts are really good. The chicken sandwiches...they are good. They are not great. I don't get the fanaticism.
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The biggest problem I have with CFA is their food is too salty. I just can't eat it. :tdwn
Another fun fact - I work with a gal who eats CFA everyday for lunch or at least she used to before the Pandy and I think she ate dinner there too. Yuck............
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But bringing it back sports - every Cowboys fan were convinced that the blue uniforms back in the day were jinxed. And that shade of blue was just butt-ugly. :tdwn
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I put them in the "not bad" category. Their breakfasts are really good. The chicken sandwiches...they are good. They are not great. I don't get the fanaticism.
Ditto that about In 'n' Out.
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I put them in the "not bad" category. Their breakfasts are really good. The chicken sandwiches...they are good. They are not great. I don't get the fanaticism.
I'm not calling you out, Bosk, but for all those that aren't down with CFA, what - of the national chains - is a better over-all chicken sandwich? For my money, it's number two behind Popeyes, but nothing at Mickey D's, Wendy's or the King come close. And whoever called out the drive through, hell to the yeah. The drive through near me is a two lane dealie, and even when the line stretches back into the main parking lot (our CFA occupies a front space in a larger strip mall) it moves quickly.
Their soup is good, too, and I miss their chicken-salad sandwiches. THOSE were bomb.
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I put them in the "not bad" category. Their breakfasts are really good. The chicken sandwiches...they are good. They are not great. I don't get the fanaticism.
I'm not calling you out, Bosk, but for all those that aren't down with CFA, what - of the national chains - is a better over-all chicken sandwich?
I might also put them at #2 behind Popeye's. But that still isn't to say that their sandwich is "great." To me, it isn't. And, to me, chicken sandwiches at fast food places in general, aren't "great." Again, I'm not knocking them. Just for me personally, the level of fanaticism for a merely "good" sandwich is disproportional. Just because few other national chains may have something better doesn't somehow elevate theirs to something better than it is.
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So does anyone think Tebow at a TE position with the Jags under his former coach will actually amount to anything? On the surface, it looks like a weird move to be honest. Though I suppose he has the physicality of being a decent blocking TE and the occasional trick play.
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So does anyone think Tebow at a TE position with the Jags under his former coach will actually amount to anything? On the surface, it looks like a weird move to be honest. Though I suppose he has the physicality of being a decent blocking TE and the occasional trick play.
I've got to believe that's a locker room decision more than an on-the-field decision. Every team has one of those guys who's value isn't necessarily on the game field, but maybe on the practice field. It also depends if he makes the final roster. There's a lot of room now, not so much in August or whenever the final cuts are.
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Right on cue, the media lost their minds over the Tebow thing, bringing up Kaepernick of course, even though the two things have zero to do with one another. You could have set your watch to it, pretty much. :lol :lol
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So does anyone think Tebow at a TE position with the Jags under his former coach will actually amount to anything? On the surface, it looks like a weird move to be honest. Though I suppose he has the physicality of being a decent blocking TE and the occasional trick play.
I keep forgetting that there is still time to be cut and replaced. Tebow was also on the Pats roster at some point now that I remember (maybe it was preseason) and was cut before the season.
I've got to believe that's a locker room decision more than an on-the-field decision. Every team has one of those guys who's value isn't necessarily on the game field, but maybe on the practice field. It also depends if he makes the final roster. There's a lot of room now, not so much in August or whenever the final cuts are.
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And in the meantime, you get a 6'3" 200-and-some-odd athlete that can challenge other players, is going to work harder than anyone else there, can serve as a resource for the younger players about what Meyer is looking for in a teammate, and probably not be skipping out for 4-20 and/or Tweet breaks wherever possible.
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I put them in the "not bad" category. Their breakfasts are really good. The chicken sandwiches...they are good. They are not great. I don't get the fanaticism.
I'm not calling you out, Bosk, but for all those that aren't down with CFA, what - of the national chains - is a better over-all chicken sandwich?
Arby's.
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I put them in the "not bad" category. Their breakfasts are really good. The chicken sandwiches...they are good. They are not great. I don't get the fanaticism.
I'm not calling you out, Bosk, but for all those that aren't down with CFA, what - of the national chains - is a better over-all chicken sandwich?
Arby's.
(https://i.redd.it/75dq883b83h51.png)
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You didn't like theirs?
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I got a roast beef sandwich at Arby's once, and it was the grossest thing ever.
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I never go to Arby's anymore. I used to a handful of times a year and every time I would have that "why did I get this crap?" feeling after I ate the food. I eventually wised up. On the rare occasion that I am in the mood for fast food roast beef, I go to Lion's Choice.
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I never go to Arby's anymore. I used to a handful of times a year and every time I would have that "why did I get this crap?" feeling after I ate the food. I eventually wised up. On the rare occasion that I am in the mood for fast food roast beef, I go to Lion's Choice.
Never heard of Lion's Choice. Regional, I suspect. I've been to Arby's twice in the last 20 years. Once when I was driving through Wyoming and needed a fast lunch. It was only a week or so after hitting a CFA, and the difference between the two chicken sandwiches was night and day. One left me feeling totally underwhelmed, and the other was a decent sandwich. Nothing to write home about, mind you, but a huge upgrade from CFA and their two pickles. (The other time was a few days later on the same road trip--never been back.)
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Right there with you all about Arby's being crap. It reminds me of packaged lunch meat on a piece of shit white bread bun. Waste of money.
Hate :tdwn
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The Arby’s hate is completely out of control.
Go Packers!
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Right there with you all about Arby's being crap. It reminds me of packaged lunch meat on a piece of shit white bread bun. Waste of money.
Hate :tdwn
We had an Arby's open up near me and their market savdwichea are pretty damn good.
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I didn't realize I was in the sandwichthread :lol
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Titans made out like bandits in getting Julio Jones from the Falcons. They now have possibly the best RB in football (D Henry) and two of the top 10 WR's (Julio, AJ Brown). Tannehill has to be grinning like a kid on Christmas morning about now.
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Titans made out like bandits in getting Julio Jones from the Falcons. They now have possibly the best RB in football (D Henry) and two of the top 10 WR's (Julio, AJ Brown). Tannehill has to be grinning like a kid on Christmas morning about now.
When Julio is healthy then he can still be effective.
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Titans made out like bandits in getting Julio Jones from the Falcons. They now have possibly the best RB in football (D Henry) and two of the top 10 WR's (Julio, AJ Brown). Tannehill has to be grinning like a kid on Christmas morning about now.
When Julio is healthy then he can still be effective.
Last year was the first year he was unhealthy. Worth the small risk.
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Julio is still elite...when healthy, and that is the hair in the soup. He is still put up 51 catches and nearly 800 yards despite playing 9 games in 2020. However, he is going to a team that runs the ball a lot with Henry and already has a young stud WR, so he likely won't be a target monster like he was with Matt Ryan. He will make their team better, but he won't be the stat whore he has always been (TD's notwithstanding, as he inexplicably has never really been a big TD producer).
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Julio is still elite...when healthy, and that is the hair in the soup. He is still put up 51 catches and nearly 800 yards despite playing 9 games in 2020. However, he is going to a team that runs the ball a lot with Henry and already has a young stud WR, so he likely won't be a target monster like he was with Matt Ryan. He will make their team better, but he won't be the stat whore he has always been (TD's notwithstanding, as he inexplicably has never really been a big TD producer).
Because in the modern NFL tight ends, slot receivers, and running backs get called on in passing situations more in the redzone.
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All that, the Pat's have.
Except the QB to get it to them. Lol
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Apparently LeVeon Bell would rather retire than play for Andy Reid again.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
That is rich coming from a guy who hasn't been a good NFL player since 2017. Pretty sure retirement is a likely option anyway since he isn't worth a damn anymore.
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Apparently LeVeon Bell would rather retire than play for Andy Reid again.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
That is rich coming from a guy who hasn't been a good NFL player since 2017. Pretty sure retirement is a likely option anyway since he isn't worth a damn anymore.
I hope teams smarten up and don’t give this absolute cancer another dime. He butted heads with Big Ben and the Pittsburgh higher-ups during his entire tenure with the Steelers, he had choice words for Adam Gase before he even saw the field for the Jets, and now he has a problem with Andy Reid, one of the greatest coaches of all time.
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I am guessing he was on his last leg anyway. If he had much left, Reid would have gotten it out of him last year, especially since there were touches to be had with their starting RB opting out before the season and then rookie getting hurt down the stretch.
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Apparently LeVeon Bell would rather retire than play for Andy Reid again.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
That is rich coming from a guy who hasn't been a good NFL player since 2017. Pretty sure retirement is a likely option anyway since he isn't worth a damn anymore.
I hope teams smarten up and don’t give this absolute cancer another dime. He butted heads with Big Ben and the Pittsburgh higher-ups during his entire tenure with the Steelers, he had choice words for Adam Gase before he even saw the field for the Jets, and now he has a problem with Andy Reid, one of the greatest coaches of all time.
I'm with you on all of that. I'm not the hugest Reid fan as a coach, but the one thing you CAN'T say about him is that he's unfair to his players. He's hard-nosed, as any NFL coach must be, but the list of players that love him is so much longer than the list of players that don't, that this is on Le'Veon Bell not Andy Reid. Plus, he wins; I would think that if you were all about it, instead of in it for your own benefit, you'd welcome that (same with Mike Tomlin). I think this is Bell's true colors: selfish, not a team player and better left to other, less successful clubs (I know, I know, that's racist!)
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Been thinking recently about quarterbacks, an aspect of which I hope we can keep here instead of the P/R forum.
Anyway, I've noticed that virtually almost 100% of NFL QBs (which is the highest position one can attain in team sports) come from stable 2-parent families with strong father figures. And usually conservative families. Now I realize the notion of Dad is pooh-poohed in modern society but the importance of a great Dad cannot be overstated. Anyway. I haven't noticed such a strong correlation of these factors with any other position or sport in general. So can we discuss the whys/hows without having to move the topic? I welcome your insight.
Is it as simple as strong father figure = development of leadership skills necessary for the position? What about all the other needed skills?
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Been thinking recently about quarterbacks, an aspect of which I hope we can keep here instead of the P/R forum.
Anyway, I've noticed that virtually almost 100% of NFL QBs (which is the highest position one can attain in team sports) come from stable 2-person families with strong father figures. And usually conservative families. Now I realize the notion of Dad is pooh-poohed in modern society but the importance of a great Dad cannot be overstated. Anyway. I haven't noticed such a strong correlation of these factors with any other position or sport in general. So can we discuss the whys/hows without having to move the topic? I welcome your insight.
Is it as simple as strong father figure = development of leadership skills necessary for the position? What about all the other needed skills?
Assuming you're right - and I don't know if you are or not, I'll have to think about it - I come from a family in which the father is a towering figure, relatively speaking. My dad is my idol, my hero, my friend, and my mentor. From him, I have gotten three things (besides any intelligence I may have) that I value DEEPLY and which have helped me to any success I might have had: I can take direction, I can work within the parameters of someone else's scheme, but can lead while I do so. You cannot grow up under a strong father figure and succeed unless you can balance that "do it on your own" with "I have to follow someone else's lead". I think Brady is the epitome of this; the Patriots were and are Belichick's team. The players do not fart without at least tacit approval of Bill. And Tom was the epitome of a team player in that regard. Having said that, when on the field, when doing drills, when mentoring OTHER players, Tom was and is every bit the leader that Bill was and is.
If you cannot play within the system, if you don't have the discipline and ability to subvert your own ego to the group, you will never ever be a successful NFL quarterback. Having said that, if you cannot make in-the-moment decisions, if you don't have the strength and leadership to adjust on the fly and bring your teammates with you, you will never ever be a successful NFL quarterback. I have zero idea whether they have strong father figures or not, but we can list guys with good skills, even good football skills, that never won for these reasons: Marino, Rivers, Romo...
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Been thinking recently about quarterbacks, an aspect of which I hope we can keep here instead of the P/R forum.
Anyway, I've noticed that virtually almost 100% of NFL QBs (which is the highest position one can attain in team sports) come from stable 2-person families with strong father figures. And usually conservative families. Now I realize the notion of Dad is pooh-poohed in modern society but the importance of a great Dad cannot be overstated. Anyway. I haven't noticed such a strong correlation of these factors with any other position or sport in general. So can we discuss the whys/hows without having to move the topic? I welcome your insight.
Is it as simple as strong father figure = development of leadership skills necessary for the position? What about all the other needed skills?
Did you do the breakdown on the elite from other positions? What do you think the typical upbringing for a wide receiver or cornerback are? I suspect that what you're going to find is that there are other factors, one really big one, that fit into the puzzle.
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I've noticed that virtually almost 100% of NFL QBs (which is the highest position one can attain in team sports) come from stable 2-person families with strong father figures. And usually conservative families. . . . So can we discuss the whys/hows without having to move the topic? I welcome your insight.
I'm not inclined to discuss it without having some certainty about the premise. In particular, where did you get data about the political leanings of the 96 or so current NFL quarterbacks (or, if you were using "conservative" in some other sense, what did you mean by that)?
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Been thinking recently about quarterbacks, an aspect of which I hope we can keep here instead of the P/R forum.
Anyway, I've noticed that virtually almost 100% of NFL QBs (which is the highest position one can attain in team sports) come from stable 2-person families with strong father figures. And usually conservative families. Now I realize the notion of Dad is pooh-poohed in modern society but the importance of a great Dad cannot be overstated. Anyway. I haven't noticed such a strong correlation of these factors with any other position or sport in general. So can we discuss the whys/hows without having to move the topic? I welcome your insight.
Is it as simple as strong father figure = development of leadership skills necessary for the position? What about all the other needed skills?
Did you do the breakdown on the elite from other positions? What do you think the typical upbringing for a wide receiver or cornerback are? I suspect that what you're going to find is that there are other factors, one really big one, that fit into the puzzle.
I assume you mean race? Point taken. But it's obvious when listening to these guys (QBs) and their parents they mostly came from conservative church-going families. Everyone knows Brady and Trump are linked. Maybe it's just that libs were too busy experimenting with drugs to take sports seriously?
Thanks Stads by the way for your thoughtful reply to the topic.
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Been thinking recently about quarterbacks, an aspect of which I hope we can keep here instead of the P/R forum.
Anyway, I've noticed that virtually almost 100% of NFL QBs (which is the highest position one can attain in team sports) come from stable 2-parent families with strong father figures. And usually conservative families. Now I realize the notion of Dad is pooh-poohed in modern society but the importance of a great Dad cannot be overstated. Anyway. I haven't noticed such a strong correlation of these factors with any other position or sport in general. So can we discuss the whys/hows without having to move the topic? I welcome your insight.
Is it as simple as strong father figure = development of leadership skills necessary for the position? What about all the other needed skills?
I think the things you are mentioning ("two parents households", "conservative values", "going to church") could be part of it but you're forgetting to factor in economic factors like money. A lot of these come from it. I'm sure things can get a bit circular here, but I think it holds up that all of the above circumstances are easier to maintain when you've got comfortably white-collar parents like most NFL QBs seem to. And all that, in addition to the talent and hard work, is what gets a greater ratio of Zach Wilson's noticed for the prestige positions.
This may be problematic, but when I see a white player on the field I often just assume they came from money to begin with. And I haven't seen many things that made me challenge those assumptions.
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Been thinking recently about quarterbacks, an aspect of which I hope we can keep here instead of the P/R forum.
Anyway, I've noticed that virtually almost 100% of NFL QBs (which is the highest position one can attain in team sports) come from stable 2-person families with strong father figures. And usually conservative families. Now I realize the notion of Dad is pooh-poohed in modern society but the importance of a great Dad cannot be overstated. Anyway. I haven't noticed such a strong correlation of these factors with any other position or sport in general. So can we discuss the whys/hows without having to move the topic? I welcome your insight.
Is it as simple as strong father figure = development of leadership skills necessary for the position? What about all the other needed skills?
Did you do the breakdown on the elite from other positions? What do you think the typical upbringing for a wide receiver or cornerback are? I suspect that what you're going to find is that there are other factors, one really big one, that fit into the puzzle.
I assume you mean race? Point taken.
I assumed he meant wealth.
Maybe it's just that libs were too busy experimenting with drugs to take sports seriously?
You want to keep this out of P/R but then drop that bullshit?
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Been thinking recently about quarterbacks, an aspect of which I hope we can keep here instead of the P/R forum.
Anyway, I've noticed that virtually almost 100% of NFL QBs (which is the highest position one can attain in team sports) come from stable 2-parent families with strong father figures. And usually conservative families. Now I realize the notion of Dad is pooh-poohed in modern society but the importance of a great Dad cannot be overstated. Anyway. I haven't noticed such a strong correlation of these factors with any other position or sport in general. So can we discuss the whys/hows without having to move the topic? I welcome your insight.
Is it as simple as strong father figure = development of leadership skills necessary for the position? What about all the other needed skills?
I think the things you are mentioning ("two parents households", "conservative values", "going to church") could be part of it but you're forgetting to factor in economic factors like money. A lot of these come from it. I'm sure things can get a bit circular here, but I think it holds up that all of the above circumstances are easier to maintain when you've got comfortably white-collar parents like most NFL QBs seem to. And all that, in addition to the talent and hard work, is what gets a greater ratio of Zach Wilson's noticed for the prestige positions.
This may be problematic, but when I see a white player on the field I often just assume they came from money to begin with. And I haven't seen many things that made me challenge those assumptions.
I dunno; big problems with the "assume", even if there is empirical evidence to support that. We can start throwing around the assumptions in all directions, and it's only going to serve to inspire angry words and maybe the banhammer. Even just changing the sport and we've blown up that paradigm wildly.
I also am not willing to just presumptively point the causation arrow in the direction of "monied white >>>>> stable two-parent families". It takes no money to love your wife and serve your kids. Sure, some things are EASIER to do in that capacity, but "I love you, son" is free.
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Been thinking recently about quarterbacks, an aspect of which I hope we can keep here instead of the P/R forum.
Anyway, I've noticed that virtually almost 100% of NFL QBs (which is the highest position one can attain in team sports) come from stable 2-parent families with strong father figures. And usually conservative families. Now I realize the notion of Dad is pooh-poohed in modern society but the importance of a great Dad cannot be overstated. Anyway. I haven't noticed such a strong correlation of these factors with any other position or sport in general. So can we discuss the whys/hows without having to move the topic? I welcome your insight.
Is it as simple as strong father figure = development of leadership skills necessary for the position? What about all the other needed skills?
I think the things you are mentioning ("two parents households", "conservative values", "going to church") could be part of it but you're forgetting to factor in economic factors like money. A lot of these come from it. I'm sure things can get a bit circular here, but I think it holds up that all of the above circumstances are easier to maintain when you've got comfortably white-collar parents like most NFL QBs seem to. And all that, in addition to the talent and hard work, is what gets a greater ratio of Zach Wilson's noticed for the prestige positions.
This may be problematic, but when I see a white player on the field I often just assume they came from money to begin with. And I haven't seen many things that made me challenge those assumptions.
I dunno; big problems with the "assume", even if there is empirical evidence to support that. We can start throwing around the assumptions in all directions, and it's only going to serve to inspire angry words and maybe the banhammer. Even just changing the sport and we've blown up that paradigm wildly.
I also am not willing to just presumptively point the causation arrow in the direction of "monied white >>>>> stable two-parent families". It takes no money to love your wife and serve your kids. Sure, some things are EASIER to do in that capacity, but "I love you, son" is free.
You had no problems assuming Dream Team was "right" just a few posts ago.
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I assumed he meant wealth.
Maybe it's just that libs were too busy experimenting with drugs to take sports seriously?
You want to keep this out of P/R but then drop that bullshit?
No I meant race, but in all reality you can't really talk about one without the other in this context.
The fact is that even though he's limited it to a single position of a single sport, there are still too many variables to start trying to show causality. I was going to explain this, but I honestly don't think the OP is particularly interested, so I blew it off.
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Been thinking recently about quarterbacks, an aspect of which I hope we can keep here instead of the P/R forum.
Anyway, I've noticed that virtually almost 100% of NFL QBs (which is the highest position one can attain in team sports) come from stable 2-parent families with strong father figures. And usually conservative families. Now I realize the notion of Dad is pooh-poohed in modern society but the importance of a great Dad cannot be overstated. Anyway. I haven't noticed such a strong correlation of these factors with any other position or sport in general. So can we discuss the whys/hows without having to move the topic? I welcome your insight.
Is it as simple as strong father figure = development of leadership skills necessary for the position? What about all the other needed skills?
I think the things you are mentioning ("two parents households", "conservative values", "going to church") could be part of it but you're forgetting to factor in economic factors like money. A lot of these come from it. I'm sure things can get a bit circular here, but I think it holds up that all of the above circumstances are easier to maintain when you've got comfortably white-collar parents like most NFL QBs seem to. And all that, in addition to the talent and hard work, is what gets a greater ratio of Zach Wilson's noticed for the prestige positions.
This may be problematic, but when I see a white player on the field I often just assume they came from money to begin with. And I haven't seen many things that made me challenge those assumptions.
I dunno; big problems with the "assume", even if there is empirical evidence to support that. We can start throwing around the assumptions in all directions, and it's only going to serve to inspire angry words and maybe the banhammer. Even just changing the sport and we've blown up that paradigm wildly.
I also am not willing to just presumptively point the causation arrow in the direction of "monied white >>>>> stable two-parent families". It takes no money to love your wife and serve your kids. Sure, some things are EASIER to do in that capacity, but "I love you, son" is free.
You had no problems assuming Dream Team was "right" just a few posts ago.
I had deep problems with it; that's why I said I have no idea if [he's] right or not. I was just commenting on the idea which was kind of a new one for me. I can do the same for you, but there's more immediate data that contradicts your position than his and your idea "white = money = success, black = poor = nope" is far more common (if no less substantiated).
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You already dismissed any data that I could bring up preemptively in your last post while posting an anecdote about how dream team could be on to something in the post before that one so I really don't see the point in going down this road.
I think that Barto is right then there's absolutely a relationship between socioeconomic factors and the type of successes people are able to achieve in life, and socioeconomic factors influence their family life and family values as well. But I also agree that the op wasn't particularly interested since he decided to sink it into the libs in the same breath. Disappointingly to the implicit approval of the forum "centrist".
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You already dismissed any data that I could bring up preemptively in your last post while posting an anecdote about how dream team could be on to something in the post before that one so I really don't see the point in going down this road.
I absolutely did not mean to dismiss any data. If that's the message I sent, it was inadvertent, and I'm sorry.
I think that Barto is right then there's absolutely a relationship between socioeconomic factors and the type of successes people are able to achieve in life, and socioeconomic factors influence their family life and family values as well. But I also agree that the op wasn't particularly interested since he decided to sink it into the libs in the same breath. Disappointingly to the implicit approval of the forum "centrist".
There's absolutely a socio-economic relationship. I agree with you on that. I don't agree with the general wisdom - and to preserve this conversation I will say I am not going to assume to know where you fall in this - that it starts with race, then goes to money, and everything flows from there. It's a dicey subject, because it's far too easily misconstrued, but I do NOT believe everyone is capable of everything. I do think we are all capable of maximizing our potential (and many don't), but everyone's potential in various areas is not the same. I don't think we're all budding NFL quarterbacks until reality gets ahold of us. I don't think we're all budding Jeff Bezos' until
"The Man" beats us down. TO BE CLEAR: I DON'T THINK RACE IS A VARIABLE HERE - meaning I do NOT think that being "black" is an indicator of whether someone is capable or not. But just like some people aren't good at math, some people have no rhythm, and some people have no fashion sense, so some people are not inclined to earn or maintain wealth.
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Yes, agreed...
That's why the question, as originally posed, is so problematic.
There's no use in talking about these issues unless you are able and willing to talk about the intersection of all of them. Just trying to shave off one or two to fit a narrative "he was successful because he went to church", "he was a bad dad because he was poor", etc doesn't get us any closer to the truth. I thought money was an important thing to bring up, as well as race, because those are the two important factors that were left out of the initial question.
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It's kind of a weird thing to bring up at all, in this context. IMO
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Yes, agreed...
That's why the question, as originally posed, is so problematic.
There's no use in talking about these issues unless you are able and willing to talk about the intersection of all of them. Just trying to shave off one or two to fit a narrative "he was successful because he went to church", "he was a bad dad because he was poor", etc doesn't get us any closer to the truth. I thought money was an important thing to bring up, as well as race, because those are the two important factors that were left out of the initial question.
I won't argue that. I sort of gave the benefit of the doubt since I didn't see it as shaving it off, but rather incorporating a variable that doesn't often get mentioned. If you're interpreting this as over-simplifying a complicated issue down to simplistic ideas, I think I'm with you.
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Looks like St. Rodgers has quite a decision to think about, and less than 24 hours to do it. He can opt out of this season, ostensibly because of Covid, and take home ~18m. The decision is irrevocable, though, and has to be made by tomorrow. Whereas sitting out would be rather expensive for him. It'll be interesting to see what he does. He might take this year off, only to find that his market value has dropped come next year. As has been said, this is the nuclear option for him, and it wouldn't surprise me to see him take it. At the same time it probably doesn't help him any in the long term, but I'm not sure anything actually does.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/06/25/aaron-rodgers-does-indeed-have-an-opt-out-silver-bullet-for-2021/
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Rodgers seems like just enough of a moody prick to opt out and stick it to the Packers organization (and his teammates in the process), but I don't think he will do it. I almost hope he does, though, as those nimrods who run the Packers deserve to have egg on their faces.
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31770745/agent-requests-wr-nkeal-harry-traded-new-england-patriots
His agent along with every other living being in New England. :lol
In all fairness, I don't think he's necessarily the bust people have made him out to be, but he certainly doesn't seem to be the type of player that's going to work well in NE's system. I can understand when he didn't click with Brady, a whole lot of receivers never got on with him, but he didn't do anything with Cam under center, either. He does exactly what they hoped he'd do when they drafted him, he'll fight for the ball and he'll run over people if he gets it, but it doesn't look like he'll ever be able to do all of the rest that comes with being a WR. Sadly, I think if there were any good offers he'd already be gone.
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31770745/agent-requests-wr-nkeal-harry-traded-new-england-patriots
His agent along with every other living being in New England. :lol
In all fairness, I don't think he's necessarily the bust people have made him out to be, but he certainly doesn't seem to be the type of player that's going to work well in NE's system. I can understand when he didn't click with Brady, a whole lot of receivers never got on with him, but he didn't do anything with Cam under center, either. He does exactly what they hoped he'd do when they drafted him, he'll fight for the ball and he'll run over people if he gets it, but it doesn't look like he'll ever be able to do all of the rest that comes with being a WR. Sadly, I think if there were any good offers he'd already be gone.
All of New England chuckled today.
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Who the "F" is NKeal Hoosie whatzits? ???
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Who the "F" is NKeal Hoosie whatzits? ???
A first round bust. That's who.
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Belichick: 8
Brady: 7
Harry: 0
I'm good with this announcement.
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Richard Sherman booked in local jail. Potential burglary and DV charges.
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Sounds like he broke into his own house when he was locked out and fought with police.
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Sounds like he broke into his own house when he was locked out and fought with police.
Nah, that boy snapped. The 911 call said that he did not live there, and they're charging him with a felony for the burglary part. They're also investigating him for a hit and run an hour earlier.
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Richard Sherman - convict = Dallas will definitely sign him. :yeahright
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Sounds like he broke into his own house when he was locked out and fought with police.
Nah, that boy snapped. The 911 call said that he did not live there, and they're charging him with a felony for the burglary part. They're also investigating him for a hit and run an hour earlier.
I read what I typed earlier. So your info is probably newer. Holy cow is he fucked.
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Sounds like he broke into his own house when he was locked out and fought with police.
Nah, that boy snapped. The 911 call said that he did not live there, and they're charging him with a felony for the burglary part. They're also investigating him for a hit and run an hour earlier.
I read what I typed earlier. So your info is probably newer. Holy cow is he fucked.
Nah, he's rich, popular in the area, and known for charitable work. At least that's what I gather, Chris will have to chime in on that. My hunch is that he'll plead down to some misdemeanors and get probation. Unless, that his, he takes the Michael Irvin approach and makes an ass of himself at his grand jury appearance. :lol
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:lol
They had to use a K9 to subdue him. Holy crap.
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He always tried to compare himself to Revis. The difference is that Revis had one side of the field on lockdown, while the system will have Sherman on lockdown.
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I was going to say, you can't get arrested for breaking into your own house, unless Breaking Bad lied to us. :lol :lol
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It was his in-law's and he was looking for his [presumably estranged] old lady. She described him as drunk and suicidal, so it appears to be a freakout kind of situation. Sounds like he needs counseling more than a run through the CJ system, and The Man will probably be happy to steer it that direction. I suspect he'll be on the hook for the DUI and hit and run, but that's about it.
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Nah, he's rich, popular in the area, and known for charitable work. At least that's what I gather, Chris will have to chime in on that.
I got in the car right at 800am, when local sports radio guys do their "Top of the hour news/headlines." There was a definite somber mood from the talking heads. I knew something big went down, not to level of someone dying, but more than "Jamal Adams signs with another team." The radio guys told what the knew, and declined to speculate on what they didn't know, which I respect. But there was a sense of "we really hope this doesn't turn out to be something more serious than it sounds, so until we know more, let's talk about the NBA finals..."
Seattle doesn't have many sports heroes or icons. I supposed Sherman is about as iconic as you can get around here, where we have 2 major sports championships in 50+ years (sorry Storm). If he says all the right things, he should be ok here.
Maybe weird sidenote... they are calling this a DV issue because the residents were his ex-inlaws. Am I hearing that right? When you divorce your spouse, you are no longer related to their parents. So I don't know what this is specifically a "domestic" issue.
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I believe it was his wife, or ex-wife, that called 911. Either way that's a domestic. That said, even if it was the former in-laws, that would probably still qualify. It's not a stranger but rather an at one point family member banging down the door. I haven't read anything today, but from what I gathered from the 911 call the dude's despondent about the breakup of his marriage and he got drunk and had a freakout. Not exactly Menace2Society stuff.
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Looks like everything is down to misdemeanors. Burglary charge is gone.
I was being a big cheeky about the "domestic" issue. Sounds like there was some confusion about the status of their relationship, which caused some initial reporting to be inaccurate. I thought there had to be either blood or marriage for an issue to be considered "domestic."
Also sounds like there have been issues brewing beneath the surface for a while now.
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So it came out that Tom Brady played on a torn ACL all of last year. The internet is abuzz that "Here's goes Tom Brady cheating again.
I honestly think the injury report should be wiped out. It's only there for the bettors. If a team knew that Brady had that tear they would be teeing off weekly at that knee. You guys agree or disagree with me on getting rid of the injury report?
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So it came out that Tom Brady played on a torn ACL all of last year. The internet is abuzz that "Here's goes Tom Brady cheating again.
I honestly think the injury report should be wiped out. It's only there for the bettors. If a team knew that Brady had that tear they would be teeing off weekly at that knee. You guys agree or disagree with me on getting rid of the injury report?
Well, that's the thing; I think it's within a player's purview to protect himself, and if that's one way he does it - by not disclosing the injury in the first place - then that's up to them.
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So it came out that Tom Brady played on a torn ACL all of last year. The internet is abuzz that "Here's goes Tom Brady cheating again.
I honestly think the injury report should be wiped out. It's only there for the bettors. If a team knew that Brady had that tear they would be teeing off weekly at that knee. You guys agree or disagree with me on getting rid of the injury report?
Well they said it was the MCL.
I'm all for getting rid of the injury report. You're either in or out. But at the same time, I'm curious why a guy is missing a game.
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So it came out that Tom Brady played on a torn ACL all of last year. The internet is abuzz that "Here's goes Tom Brady cheating again.
I honestly think the injury report should be wiped out. It's only there for the bettors. If a team knew that Brady had that tear they would be teeing off weekly at that knee. You guys agree or disagree with me on getting rid of the injury report?
Is the internet really abuzz about it? Or are we just being told that it is? Either way, now that people think that it is it certainly will be. Just look at the goddamned gypsy moths.
In any case, the interesting part to me is that it was originally a partially torn MCL, and this morning it was a fully torn MCL (which I don't think you could play on). By Monday he will have played the season while battling stage XIII lung cancer which he cured via the TB12 method.
And insofar as the injury report goes, wasn't it originally a problem when NE listed him on it every single week for an undisclosed injury? Either way, I've got no problem with the injury report. Opposing teams need to know who they might be facing. More importantly, the NFL desperately wants gamblers to be able to enjoy the game.
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So it came out that Tom Brady played on a torn ACL all of last year. The internet is abuzz that "Here's goes Tom Brady cheating again.
I honestly think the injury report should be wiped out. It's only there for the bettors. If a team knew that Brady had that tear they would be teeing off weekly at that knee. You guys agree or disagree with me on getting rid of the injury report?
Is the internet really abuzz about it? Or are we just being told that it is? Either way, now that people think that it is it certainly will be. Just look at the goddamned gypsy moths.
In any case, the interesting part to me is that it was originally a partially torn MCL, and this morning it was a fully torn MCL (which I don't think you could play on). By Monday he will have played the season while battling stage XIII lung cancer which he cured via the TB12 method.
And insofar as the injury report goes, wasn't it originally a problem when NE listed him on it every single week for an undisclosed injury? Either way, I've got no problem with the injury report. Opposing teams need to know who they might be facing. More importantly, the NFL desperately wants gamblers to be able to enjoy the game.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
That made me LOL for real. *golf clap*
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So it came out that Tom Brady played on a torn ACL all of last year. The internet is abuzz that "Here's goes Tom Brady cheating again.
I honestly think the injury report should be wiped out. It's only there for the bettors. If a team knew that Brady had that tear they would be teeing off weekly at that knee. You guys agree or disagree with me on getting rid of the injury report?
Is the internet really abuzz about it? Or are we just being told that it is? Either way, now that people think that it is it certainly will be. Just look at the goddamned gypsy moths.
In any case, the interesting part to me is that it was originally a partially torn MCL, and this morning it was a fully torn MCL (which I don't think you could play on). By Monday he will have played the season while battling stage XIII lung cancer which he cured via the TB12 method.
And insofar as the injury report goes, wasn't it originally a problem when NE listed him on it every single week for an undisclosed injury? Either way, I've got no problem with the injury report. Opposing teams need to know who they might be facing. More importantly, the NFL desperately wants gamblers to be able to enjoy the game.
I know it was coming and I STILL laughed out loud. :)
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:lol
That's the media now El Barto. Not the fans. :lol
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Well shit...... Guess we will be shopping for a vet goal line RB in 3...2...1.....
https://www.nfl.com/news/rams-rb-cam-akers-suffers-torn-achilles-training
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Well shit...... Guess we will be shopping for a vet goal line RB in 3...2...1.....
https://www.nfl.com/news/rams-rb-cam-akers-suffers-torn-achilles-training
Saw that early. Sucks. He was looking really good late last season, too.
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Well shit...... Guess we will be shopping for a vet goal line RB in 3...2...1.....
https://www.nfl.com/news/rams-rb-cam-akers-suffers-torn-achilles-training
Saw that early. Sucks. He was looking really good late last season, too.
Patriots have a very crowded backfield, and Sony Michel isn't even a lock to make the roster (though he probably will). Shipping him West would make perfect sense, but the Rams don't have anything they could give up for him. LeSean McCoy would certainly help, but I suspect other teams could pay him more.
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Patriots have a very crowded backfield, and Sony Michel isn't even a lock to make the roster (though he probably will). Shipping him West would make perfect sense, but the Rams don't have anything they could give up for him. LeSean McCoy would certainly help, but I suspect other teams could pay him more.
Is it 2016? :P
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Changing the subject to The Washington Football Team that still doesn’t have a name.
My friend and I were talking about it tonight…thinking about names. And he just threw Warriors out there.
Maybe I’m alone here, but I thought it was freaking brilliant. Partly because it just fits, and also because (and they probably WON’T do this, but they should) they could keep the logo. I mean honestly. Their current logo IS ABSOLUTELY NOT a caricature. The Cleveland Indians mascot is another story, and I can totally see that being a racist stereotype. But the actual “redskin” logo is a genuine portrayal of a Native American WARRIOR. I can’t be the first one to think of this, but it seems so obvious that it’s perfect and I can’t figure out why it wasn’t an instant no brainer.
What do you guys think?
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I like the name. And I like your tie-in with the logo. But that said, I suspect they will ditch the logo altogether. I think they want to distance themselves from any Indian imagery altogether. But I like your thinking on that, and I agree that it isn't remotely offensive to any reasonable person.
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Changing the subject to The Washington Football Team that still doesn’t have a name.
My friend and I were talking about it tonight…thinking about names. And he just threw Warriors out there.
Maybe I’m alone here, but I thought it was freaking brilliant. Partly because it just fits, and also because (and they probably WON’T do this, but they should) they could keep the logo. I mean honestly. Their current logo IS ABSOLUTELY NOT a caricature. The Cleveland Indians mascot is another story, and I can totally see that being a racist stereotype. But the actual “redskin” logo is a genuine portrayal of a Native American WARRIOR. I can’t be the first one to think of this, but it seems so obvious that it’s perfect and I can’t figure out why it wasn’t an instant no brainer.
What do you guys think?
No, you're not the first one to think of this. The name Warriors was floated around for a bit but I think they were trying to quell ANY potential conflict because they were also going through their cheerleader/call girl scandal. I think the combination of the name change AND going back to their old spear logo would have been perfect.
Now that being said, I never knew the Redskin nickname had a racist connotation until the controversy started. I always thought the name and the logo was honoring the American Indian. Now the Cleveland logo? Yeah, that was always a little uncomfortable.
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Um, we're talking like it's as obvious as the nose on our face, but what is it that so "obviously" sets the Cleveland logo apart from the Washington one? The garish smile? I mean, it's not a great logo, and it's cartoonish and "old" (as in out of date), but what sets it apart? I don't count, because I'm not the subject audience, but it seems as if the Washington LOGO, not offensive, Washington NAME, obviously offensive, Cleveland NAME, not offensive, and I can sort of see why someone might not like the Cleveland LOGO, but as or "obviously" out of bounds, I'm just trying to see what you (Jammin, Hunnus) see.
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Um, we're talking like it's as obvious as the nose on our face, but what is it that so "obviously" sets the Cleveland logo apart from the Washington one? The garish smile? I mean, it's not a great logo, and it's cartoonish and "old" (as in out of date), but what sets it apart? I don't count, because I'm not the subject audience, but it seems as if the Washington LOGO, not offensive, Washington NAME, obviously offensive, Cleveland NAME, not offensive, and I can sort of see why someone might not like the Cleveland LOGO, but as or "obviously" out of bounds, I'm just trying to see what you (Jammin, Hunnus) see.
I guess what I really meant (I didn't express myself that well) was that I find neither team name or logo offensive. I see the Redskin logo as a tribute to an Indian Chief/Warrior and the Cleveland Indians logo (yes) cartoonish but no less cartoonish or offensive than a caricature of a bucktoothed redneck. However, I can see where both could offend some people.
I grew up with the Skins and the Injuns so I really don't think they need to change their names but hey, I don't own the teams.
BTW - I really think the Washington name change was about changing the narrative because little Danny Snider was in trouble with the cheerleader call-girl scandal.
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Well…we’ve come to accept “Indians” because it’s so ingrained in our American culture. But honestly, it’s based on a complete misnomer. If I was a Native American, the title “Indian” would immediately have me screaming, “Look. We’re NOT from India! So knock it off.”
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Changing the subject to The Washington Football Team that still doesn’t have a name.
My friend and I were talking about it tonight…thinking about names. And he just threw Warriors out there.
Maybe I’m alone here, but I thought it was freaking brilliant. Partly because it just fits, and also because (and they probably WON’T do this, but they should) they could keep the logo. I mean honestly. Their current logo IS ABSOLUTELY NOT a caricature. The Cleveland Indians mascot is another story, and I can totally see that being a racist stereotype. But the actual “redskin” logo is a genuine portrayal of a Native American WARRIOR. I can’t be the first one to think of this, but it seems so obvious that it’s perfect and I can’t figure out why it wasn’t an instant no brainer.
What do you guys think?
WTF has already said it won't be Warriors. Because it's a more respectful take on the Indian theme it's been bandied about a lot, so they made a point of shooting it down last week. They're going in a completely different direction.
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Well…we’ve come to accept “Indians” because it’s so ingrained in our American culture. But honestly, it’s based on a complete misnomer. If I was a Native American, the title “Indian” would immediately have me screaming, “Look. We’re NOT from India! So knock it off.”
Many, my tribe included, actually prefer "Indian." That actually seems to be true of many of the Northern and Central California tribes.
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Saying this as a white dude, I think it would be pretty hard to change a word that has been in common usage for centuries. Maybe that isn't the best fight. I don't want to speak for Ben, but I think he would agree in saying teaching everyone about the "Indian" culture and history is more important than screaming about not using a word (correct me if I am wrong, Ben).
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Local media stalking Rodgers plane into Green Bay last night. Pretty much everyone screwed the pooch on Rodgers playing in Green Bay this season.
I never for one second believed he wasn’t playing, and for people who have covered this guy for years falling for all the b.s. is embarrassing.
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Local media stalking Rodgers plane into Green Bay last night. Pretty much everyone screwed the pooch on Rodgers playing in Green Bay this season.
I never for one second believed he wasn’t playing, and for people who have covered this guy for years falling for all the b.s. is embarrassing.
Too bad. I was looking forward to see what Jordan Love would bring to the Pack.
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Local media stalking Rodgers plane into Green Bay last night. Pretty much everyone screwed the pooch on Rodgers playing in Green Bay this season.
I never for one second believed he wasn’t playing, and for people who have covered this guy for years falling for all the b.s. is embarrassing.
Too bad. I was looking forward to see what Jordan Love would bring to the Pack.
I don't think the Packers would have bent over for Rodgers if Love was ready so it suggests he's not.
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Local media stalking Rodgers plane into Green Bay last night. Pretty much everyone screwed the pooch on Rodgers playing in Green Bay this season.
I never for one second believed he wasn’t playing, and for people who have covered this guy for years falling for all the b.s. is embarrassing.
Too bad. I was looking forward to see what Jordan Love would bring to the Pack.
I don't think the Packers would have bent over for Rodgers if Love was ready so it suggests he's not.
How did the Packers bend over for him? It was looking to me like St. Rodgers was the one to fold.
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Isn't it that he's getting an old receiver back he wanted?
Edit: Randell Cobb.
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Isn't it that he's getting an old receiver back he wanted?
Edit: Randell Cobb.
Whether or not that qualifies as a bending over depends on what the Texans ask for him. If they can get him for cheap it's an upgrade. His salary certainly isn't unreasonable. If the Texans realize they've got Gutekunst by the short and curlies it could be a real reaming, though.
Speaking of the Texans, what team in its right mind woudl give up three #1s for a QB that may be blackballed for life? I suppose it's a gamble, given the unpredictability of the NFL they might name him Man of the Year or something, but that's a steep price for somebody wrapped up in Me Too right now.
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I always say something like that El Barto then some owner makes the trade. It never seems to fail.
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Not a reliable source, but on the news yesterday (local rock station) they said the Texans are now entertaining offers, and they offered the Eagles as a potential landing spot (no pun intended). That would be dumb compounded on top of dumb.
Man I screwed the pooch on Watson; I thought - a year or so ago - he would have been the number one guy on the list of like half the teams of the NFL. I thought he was the real deal, but this is too much to over come (and rightfully so; if even half the claims are legit he should be done with football).
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Not a reliable source, but on the news yesterday (local rock station) they said the Texans are now entertaining offers, and they offered the Eagles as a potential landing spot (no pun intended). That would be dumb compounded on top of dumb.
Man I screwed the pooch on Watson; I thought - a year or so ago - he would have been the number one guy on the list of like half the teams of the NFL. I thought he was the real deal, but this is too much to over come (and rightfully so; if even half the claims are legit he should be done with football).
The offers they're looking for are 3 first rounders. Were it not for the allegations he'd probably be worth it, but there's just too much uncertainty.
As for the allegations, it's all pretty murky. Half of the massage therapists thought he was a great client, and half are suing him. The problem is that a fair percentage of these therapists were probably down to play, if you follow my drift. Plenty more will have starkly differing opinions over what constitutes inappropriateness. In this day and age he's almost certainly a dead duck, whether it's warranted or not, and I'll just consider that a necessary correction. I won't lose any sleep over it.
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LOL they are billing the game tonight as Ben vs Dak. What total clowns. No way those guys play.
Newsflash: QBs don’t play against each other!!!!
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Not that I care about preseason games, but it's always exciting to know the season is coming soon, even as a Broncos fan who sees a 6-11 season on the horizon. :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Good to see Drew Pearson in the HOF. He's kind of royalty down here.
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LOL they are billing the game tonight as Ben vs Dak. What total clowns. No way those guys play.
Newsflash: QBs don’t play against each other!!!!
I always hated the “QB vs QB” hype. The only time opposing quarterbacks are on the field at the same time is the post game handshake. Now WR vs CB is a hype machine I can get behind. Give me Randy Moss vs Darrelle Revis, Calvin Johnson vs Charles Woodson, DeAndre Hopkins vs Richard Sherman, all of it. That’s the real on field battle between two players, and I live for it.
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LOL they are billing the game tonight as Ben vs Dak. What total clowns. No way those guys play.
Newsflash: QBs don’t play against each other!!!!
I always hated the “QB vs QB” hype. The only time opposing quarterbacks are on the field at the same time is the post game handshake. Now WR vs CB is a hype machine I can get behind. Give me Randy Moss vs Darrelle Revis, Calvin Johnson vs Charles Woodson, DeAndre Hopkins vs Richard Sherman, all of it. That’s the real on field battle between two players, and I live for it.
Yep, and that stupid logic is going to get Eli Manning into the Hall of Fame, where he has no business, because "he beat Tom Brady in the Super Bowl twice." Funny, as I never saw Eli Manning once as a part of that pass rush in those two games harassing the hell out of Brady, but I did see him lead the offense to 36 points in those two games. Impressive.
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Unfortunately those narratives always win the day, because the average fan/commentator will not invest the time to explore a more intricate understanding of the game.
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Wait, are you guys trying to say that the whole Brady v Mahomes narrative was some sort of hype? Crazy marketing ploy? I'll be damned. Who knew?
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Once again I'm reminded of how much preseason football sucks. :tdwn
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Wait, are you guys trying to say that the whole Brady v Mahomes narrative was some sort of hype? Crazy marketing ploy? I'll be damned. Who knew?
Haha, do you feel enlightened? :P
I get why the NFL and networks do it. It draws interest and makes casual viewers more likely to watch the game. It just feels like something that doesn't really stand up in a more nuanced convo about the sport by more knowledgeable fans (like I'd like to think some of us are). Sure, Tom Brady's under .500 record against the Manning brothers in the playoffs is fun to bring up as a rib, but it ultimately means nothing.
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The only good thing about preseason football is that it's a reminder that regular football is a month away! :tup
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What is with coaches becoming hard-asses about people calling them "Coach?"
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Wait, are you guys trying to say that the whole Brady v Mahomes narrative was some sort of hype? Crazy marketing ploy? I'll be damned. Who knew?
My post was aimed at the sportscasters, not you guys.
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Wait, are you guys trying to say that the whole Brady v Mahomes narrative was some sort of hype? Crazy marketing ploy? I'll be damned. Who knew?
Haha, do you feel enlightened? :P
I get why the NFL and networks do it. It draws interest and makes casual viewers more likely to watch the game. It just feels like something that doesn't really stand up in a more nuanced convo about the sport by more knowledgeable fans (like I'd like to think some of us are). Sure, Tom Brady's under .500 record against the Manning brothers in the playoffs is fun to bring up as a rib, but it ultimately means nothing.
Sacrilege! Get out the torches and pitchforks!
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Oh heck, since I'm on a roll . . . what's with the double-standard on injuries?
Other QBs: "I played with an injury last year"
"Drama queen!"
Brady: "I played with an injury last year"
"What courage! What toughness!"
::)
So I guess they don't penalize teams any more for hiding injuries?
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They should hide injuries. Players would go after that area right away. Especially if you could knock out a starting QB.
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Even though it can be aggravating for the purposes of fantasy football, I am good with teams hiding injuries. Why tell the other team which players are hurt so they can plan better? Yeah, yeah, league rules. Pfft. The league only gives a crap because of Vegas and gambling purposes, as they know that gambling is a big reason why the league is so popular. I thought it was hysterical the year Belichick listed almost everyone on the injury report every week. :lol :lol
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Oh heck, since I'm on a roll . . . what's with the double-standard on injuries?
Other QBs: "I played with an injury last year"
"Drama queen!"
Brady: "I played with an injury last year"
"What courage! What toughness!"
::)
So I guess they don't penalize teams any more for hiding injuries?
Don't couch your intense dislike for Brady with some blanket conspiracy. I have just as irrational a distaste for the coverage of Mahomes, and it's exactly the same. [Other quarterback] does it, and like you said, "Drama queen", but Mahomes does it and "We've got to put this guy into the Hall Of Fame!" [Other quarterback] throws a sidearm backhand flip and his technique is horrible, but Mahomes does it and "can you BELIEVE that athleticism? That CREATIVITY??".
C'mon, man, don't let your hate for Brady cloud your judgment.
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The only good thing about preseason football is that it's a reminder that regular football is a month away! :tup
A lot of people are finding that less and less interesting also. Maybe that's why NFL ratings are at an all time low. :justjen
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The only good thing about preseason football is that it's a reminder that regular football is a month away! :tup
A lot of people are finding that less and less interesting also. Maybe that's why NFL ratings are at an all time low. :justjen
All time since 2017.
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Oh yeah, that's right. I forgot about all the statisticians on the board.
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I owned season tickets for the Pats from 1986 to 2012. Never went to 1 pre season game.
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I owned season tickets for the Pats from 1986 to 2012. Never went to 1 pre season game.
I'm actually interested in preseason since NE is in an unusual situation. I think they've got more starter-caliber players than they can keep. This isn't about people trying to make the team, but rather people trying to stay on the team.
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Oh heck, since I'm on a roll . . . what's with the double-standard on injuries?
Other QBs: "I played with an injury last year"
"Drama queen!"
Brady: "I played with an injury last year"
"What courage! What toughness!"
::)
So I guess they don't penalize teams any more for hiding injuries?
Don't couch your intense dislike for Brady with some blanket conspiracy. I have just as irrational a distaste for the coverage of Mahomes, and it's exactly the same. [Other quarterback] does it, and like you said, "Drama queen", but Mahomes does it and "We've got to put this guy into the Hall Of Fame!" [Other quarterback] throws a sidearm backhand flip and his technique is horrible, but Mahomes does it and "can you BELIEVE that athleticism? That CREATIVITY??".
C'mon, man, don't let your hate for Brady cloud your judgment.
I am pretty he has already passed go and collected $200 in that regard more times than we can count. :P
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:lol
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This actually might be the best photobomb ever.
(https://www.nbcsports.com/sites/rsnunited/files/article/content/Tom%20Brady-Peyton-Manning-Adam-Vinatieri.png)
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Is that Adam Vinatieri? :lol
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Is that Adam Vinatieri? :lol
One of like 6 people in the universe that could pull that off.
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That's great! :lol
Clutch as they come.
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Is that Adam Vinatieri? :lol
One of like 6 people in the universe that could pull that off.
I love that on every level.
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Meanwhile, Lamar Jackson has now had COVID twice in the last year and still isn't sure he wants to get vaccinated. :lol :lol
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Meanwhile, Lamar Jackson has now had COVID twice in the last year and still isn't sure he wants to get vaccinated. :lol :lol
Did he actually say he's not sure he wants to be vaccinated? Crazy.
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Meanwhile, Lamar Jackson has now had COVID twice in the last year and still isn't sure he wants to get vaccinated. :lol :lol
Did he actually say he's not sure he wants to be vaccinated? Crazy.
Keeping this strictly to sports, one would think that the a team that is 100% completely vaccinated would have a competitive edge against a team that isn't 100% vaccinated.
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HAIL! to Peyton Manning for the first couple of minutes of his induction speech last weekend. As a Raven fan, who had to endure the bloviating antics of Ray Lewis, my wife and I and various friends could not help but LMAO in regards to Peyton's time restraint comments :D And his follow up as to the laterals.....kudos for mentioning Barry Sanders and Lem Barney of the Lions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiVrW-5eqUU
And now.... I will state that Lamar Jackson is just a complete idiot and man child. 2x with Covid, and he must STILL consult with his family and doctors as to the vaccine?
I know that I was not always a grown up at 24 (hell, I am still childish at times, but.....)
What planet have you been living on? Wake the eff up! So much for 'taking one for the team'. :facepalm:
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But is this really surprising? We have out and proud flat earthers in the NBA. Given the various attitudes out there about vaccines, why is anyone shocked that an NFL athlete is anti-vax?
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I'm not really shocked by much of anything now days. It looks like the protocol has shifted in recent weeks with some pushback.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/23/sports/football/nfl-vaccination-policy.html
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Star players are useless if they aren't available. I know we all know that but this is preventable and since big money is involved, the owners will win.
Cole Beasley can retire for all I care and so can Lamar.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/yNKsVpqy/FB-IMG-1628639710884.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/k2Tkscg2) (https://ralphrobertspersonaltrainer.com/what-does-it-mean-to-be-mentally-strong)
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That's an odd looking pic of the two. :lol
Meanwhile, Lamar Jackson has now had COVID twice in the last year and still isn't sure he wants to get vaccinated. :lol :lol
Did he actually say he's not sure he wants to be vaccinated? Crazy.
Basically. He pretty much said he'd have to do some research (still??) and talk to his teammates to see what the deal is ( :lol :lol :lol :lol). He basically sounds like a guy who has no interest in getting the vaccine. If I am the Ravens, I am balking at the idea of giving him a contract similar to the ones Mahomes or Josh Allen got. A QB who makes bad decisions is not one you can trust, and that description seems to apply here.
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Josh Allen is in the same boat though and got the deal.
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HAIL! to Peyton Manning for the first couple of minutes of his induction speech last weekend. As a Raven fan, who had to endure the bloviating antics of Ray Lewis, my wife and I and various friends could not help but LMAO in regards to Peyton's time restraint comments :D And his follow up as to the laterals.....kudos for mentioning Barry Sanders and Lem Barney of the Lions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiVrW-5eqUU
And now.... I will state that Lamar Jackson is just a complete idiot and man child. 2x with Covid, and he must STILL consult with his family and doctors as to the vaccine?
I know that I was not always a grown up at 24 (hell, I am still childish at times, but.....)
What planet have you been living on? Wake the eff up! So much for 'taking one for the team'. :facepalm:
I don't support him - I'm Team Vaccine - but I can't imagine why this is hard to fathom. He's 24, he's a pro athlete (and therefore at peak physical condition), and has had it twice with no, as of now, adverse effects. If you're vaccine-hesitant, this is the optimal scenario. I got it twice, ain't that bad, why should I vaccinate? If you look at Tom Brady - who monitors what goes in his body to the nth degree - this isn't a hard stretch to make.
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Joined a fantasy league for the first time in about 20 years and I’m a bit out of the loop as to who the best fantasy players are outside the obvious. I know there are tons of fantasy sights to help a guy out but any tips on who could be sneaky good or players to avoid would be great.
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Joined a fantasy league for the first time in about 20 years and I’m a bit out of the loop as to who the best fantasy players are outside the obvious. I know there are tons of fantasy sights to help a guy out but any tips on who could be sneaky good or players to avoid would be great.
It's an inexact science, and it is harder lately with COVID and more injuries than normal, but the below link is helpful. To me, the mark of a good draft is getting good value.
https://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp
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Joined a fantasy league for the first time in about 20 years and I’m a bit out of the loop as to who the best fantasy players are outside the obvious. I know there are tons of fantasy sights to help a guy out but any tips on who could be sneaky good or players to avoid would be great.
It's an inexact science, and it is harder lately with COVID and more injuries than normal, but the below link is helpful. To me, the mark of a good draft is getting good value.
https://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp
So RBs are back to being the top prospects? I thought it'd moved to QBs being the first picks for a while, but I haven't paid much attention for ages.
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Joined a fantasy league for the first time in about 20 years and I’m a bit out of the loop as to who the best fantasy players are outside the obvious. I know there are tons of fantasy sights to help a guy out but any tips on who could be sneaky good or players to avoid would be great.
I'm in the same boat. Just joined one at work. And it's different than what I've done before. It's a keeper league. So I had to research what the fuck that even means before signing up.
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It's been a long time for me, and I am not in one now, but I won a couple years running with a BEAST of a quarterback (I had the older Manning) and guys like Priest Holmes who put up big numbers for a short while so were under the radar. The problem with that strategy is you have to replace the Holmes character every two years or so.
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Joined a fantasy league for the first time in about 20 years and I’m a bit out of the loop as to who the best fantasy players are outside the obvious. I know there are tons of fantasy sights to help a guy out but any tips on who could be sneaky good or players to avoid would be great.
It's an inexact science, and it is harder lately with COVID and more injuries than normal, but the below link is helpful. To me, the mark of a good draft is getting good value.
https://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp
So RBs are back to being the top prospects? I thought it'd moved to QBs being the first picks for a while, but I haven't paid much attention for ages.
QB's are never top picks anymore unless you are in a league where you start two. There are so many good QB's (when it comes to fantasy scoring) that you are only hurting your team to spend an early draft pick on one.
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Joined a fantasy league for the first time in about 20 years and I’m a bit out of the loop as to who the best fantasy players are outside the obvious. I know there are tons of fantasy sights to help a guy out but any tips on who could be sneaky good or players to avoid would be great.
It's an inexact science, and it is harder lately with COVID and more injuries than normal, but the below link is helpful. To me, the mark of a good draft is getting good value.
https://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp
So RBs are back to being the top prospects? I thought it'd moved to QBs being the first picks for a while, but I haven't paid much attention for ages.
QB's are never top picks anymore unless you are in a league where you start two. There are so many good QB's (when it comes to fantasy scoring) that you are only hurting your team to spend an early draft pick on one.
In my limited fantasy football experience, I find running backs are the most valuable, because with QB’s and receivers/tight ends, they benefit each other (so if you have Mahomes and your opponent has Kelce they cancel each other out) but with no O-Lines in fantasy, running backs stats are theirs and theirs alone.
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Reading all you nerds responses and how you take away the real enjoyment of the game makes me happy not to play fantasy football
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Reading all you nerds responses and how you take away the real enjoyment of the game makes me happy not to play fantasy football
Oh I hated fantasy football. There’s a reason I’ve only done three leagues in my life. I would much rather suffer because of WATCHING the game.
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I used to do 4 teams 5 dollars on cards and that interrupted my viewing so a swore that off.
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Reading all you nerds responses and how you take away the real enjoyment of the game makes me happy not to play fantasy football
That's mainly why I quit; it absolutely... if not "ruined" then at least changed how I watched football, and for me, I love watching football just for the fun of it. The only sport where I don't care who's playing in order to watch a game.
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You miss all the nuances in the game when you're worried about other games and individual players.
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Joined a fantasy league for the first time in about 20 years and I’m a bit out of the loop as to who the best fantasy players are outside the obvious. I know there are tons of fantasy sights to help a guy out but any tips on who could be sneaky good or players to avoid would be great.
It's an inexact science, and it is harder lately with COVID and more injuries than normal, but the below link is helpful. To me, the mark of a good draft is getting good value.
https://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp
So RBs are back to being the top prospects? I thought it'd moved to QBs being the first picks for a while, but I haven't paid much attention for ages.
QB's are never top picks anymore unless you are in a league where you start two. There are so many good QB's (when it comes to fantasy scoring) that you are only hurting your team to spend an early draft pick on one.
In my limited fantasy football experience, I find running backs are the most valuable, because with QB’s and receivers/tight ends, they benefit each other (so if you have Mahomes and your opponent has Kelce they cancel each other out) but with no O-Lines in fantasy, running backs stats are theirs and theirs alone.
That's certainly the way it was back when I was playing. I was just of the opinion that a few years ago the model changed and QBs started becoming key. Not only when the NFL became predominantly a passing league, but when QBs started doubling as RBs. Maybe I imagined this, or maybe it went that way for a few years and has now reverted back to the old ways. I've no idea.
I quit playing FF when I realized that it was all pointless. In reality, the quality of your team will never be as important as who you play any given week. The random drawing that creates your schedule is what determines who wins. Not anything you do. I had back to back seasons where I had, by far, the best team in the league. One of those years I scored, I think, 14 pts a week more than second place, on average. Alas, both years my oponents always had their best weeks of the season when they played me, something I could not control. 84, 92, 91, 87, 132, 94, 86. Guess which week I was. :lol After putting up stellar numbers week in and week out and not even making the playoffs for two consecutive years, I decided that the whole thing was pointless, gave up a team I'd managed for 15+ years, and never looked back. Don't miss it in the slightest.
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Reading all you nerds responses and how you take away the real enjoyment of the game makes me happy not to play fantasy football
It’s the exact reason I haven’t played in 20 years.
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Reading all you nerds responses and how you take away the real enjoyment of the game makes me happy not to play fantasy football
LOL King. I've never had an interest in fantasy football because, well, it's not real. :lol Always seemed to me like a lot of work with very little payoff. But hey, if some people think it's fun somehow, knock yourselves out and go into concussion protocol. :rollin
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It really did improve my enjoyment of the game once I stopped playing.
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I found that my focus wasn't on what really mattered.
BTW, I'm all ready for Mac time.
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I found that my focus wasn't on what really mattered.
BTW, I'm all ready for Mac time.
I think they'll roll with Cam, and they're probably right to do so. He's got the experience and his legs can make up for what he lacks in sheer QB play. That said, McCorkle showed good poise and a familiarity with the system beyond what you'd expect. Based on what I've seen I think he's going to work out fine. I think Cam should be on a short leash, but right now I think he has a better shot at winning games for them.
The two plays that showed the biggest difference between them yesterday were a sack that Cam should have felt coming a mile away, and McCorkle stepping forward to avoid a hit that he never could have seen coming. As I've said before, Cam has the pocket presence of Helen Keller. Mac seems to have pretty good awareness of his surroundings.
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I thought the same thing about the sack. I actually was hoping for Mac to have a year under his belt then start but if he can be poised with the #1's, he might start at some point this season.
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I thought the same thing about the sack. I actually was hoping for Mac to have a year under his belt then start but if he can be poised with the #1's, he might start at some point this season.
I don't see Mac coming in later in the season unless it's necessary. Unless Cam gets hurt or plays just horrendously, Bill will stick with him. I get the impression Bill's a stubborn bastard, and he's not going to switch guys if the season is still competitive, and I think Cam will do enough to keep them in it.
That said, if two guys run out onto the field and smash Cam in the knee with a pipe, I know who I'll be suspicious about. :lol
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You doing the pick em league again this year Barto?
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You doing the pick em league again this year Barto?
Sure. Just procrastinating, as usual. Gotta see if I can maintain that pace from last year. :yarr
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I thought the same thing about the sack. I actually was hoping for Mac to have a year under his belt then start but if he can be poised with the #1's, he might start at some point this season.
I don't see Mac coming in later in the season unless it's necessary. Unless Cam gets hurt or plays just horrendously, Bill will stick with him. I get the impression Bill's a stubborn bastard, and he's not going to switch guys if the season is still competitive, and I think Cam will do enough to keep them in it.
That said, if two guys run out onto the field and smash Cam in the knee with a pipe, I know who I'll be suspicious about. :lol
Lol. I have no confidence in Cam. He can't see the field like he should. No pocket presence. Arm is shot. What a bad combo. 1st half of season isn't that bad though except Tampa.
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See, for me, fantasy football is probably the main reason why I even watch football anymore. The product itself isn't nearly as good as it used to be overall. And even FF isn't as fun the last few years thanks to injuries and a host of other factors. The drafts and auctions are the most fun part of FF. I always love doing those.
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I thought the same thing about the sack. I actually was hoping for Mac to have a year under his belt then start but if he can be poised with the #1's, he might start at some point this season.
I don't see Mac coming in later in the season unless it's necessary. Unless Cam gets hurt or plays just horrendously, Bill will stick with him. I get the impression Bill's a stubborn bastard, and he's not going to switch guys if the season is still competitive, and I think Cam will do enough to keep them in it.
That said, if two guys run out onto the field and smash Cam in the knee with a pipe, I know who I'll be suspicious about. :lol
Lol. I have no confidence in Cam. He can't see the field like he should. No pocket presence. Arm is shot. What a bad combo. 1st half of season isn't that bad though except Tampa.
I suppose it's a little unfair to base on an intangible like that, but that's one of the things that bothers me most about Cam. I feel like he hasn't learned ANYTHING in ten years in the league, and is STILL relying on the physical skills that got him here. I can't remember who it was - it was likely one of the Fox guys, Bradshaw or Long - but I remember someone saying about Cam that he will never be one of the greats, because he doesn't know what he doesn't know, and doesn't know what he has to learn. And I think that's really (and still) true. He's that pitcher that had a 98 mph fastball but never developed the curve or slider once his heat fell to a more manageable 95 mph.
Add to that his dubious off-the-field presence (not a fan of the "but loyalty, I deserve it!" sentiment; you're not f-ing Brady for god's sake, read the room) and I can't wait for this chapter of Patriot history to end.
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Me as well. It's disheartening to see social media posts like that from a leader.
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I agree with you guys. You do not deserve loyalty; you earn it.
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His play last year does not deserve my loyalty.
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Cam is just another one of those QB's who has freaking athleticism and figures he can be great simply because of that. He has never evolved into a particularly accurate passer on a consistent basis. Look at the guys considered the best QB's of all time: Brady, P Manning, Montana. None of them had crazy strong arms or freakish athletic talent, but were all deadly accurate. A great arm and athleticism is nice, but accuracy and making good decisions...those are the two biggies you want from your QB.
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Oh I hated fantasy football. There’s a reason I’ve only done three leagues in my life. I would much rather suffer because of WATCHING the game.
I used to do 6 leagues a year for 16 years. I quit cold turkey as soon as my Rams moved back to LA and we started attending every game :) Today will mark our first time in our new seats at SoFi!! The bittersweet is we bought our retirement home in Florida and will be moving beginning of December. So we will catch probably 6 games this season.
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Cam is just another one of those QB's who has freaking athleticism and figures he can be great simply because of that. He has never evolved into a particularly accurate passer on a consistent basis. Look at the guys considered the best QB's of all time: Brady, P Manning, Montana. None of them had crazy strong arms or freakish athletic talent, but were all deadly accurate. A great arm and athleticism is nice, but accuracy and making good decisions...those are the two biggies you want from your QB.
I still think Brady is career better, but Manning (Peyton) is number two for me, largely for the way he evolved his game as his health decreased.
I don't know, but the truly greats, the ones who have earned it, don't seem to have the need to whine for "loyalty". "Loyalty" to me in this context seems to mean "let me skate by on my laurels, while giving you less than my best".
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Cam is just another one of those QB's who has freaking athleticism and figures he can be great simply because of that. He has never evolved into a particularly accurate passer on a consistent basis. Look at the guys considered the best QB's of all time: Brady, P Manning, Montana. None of them had crazy strong arms or freakish athletic talent, but were all deadly accurate. A great arm and athleticism is nice, but accuracy and making good decisions...those are the two biggies you want from your QB.
I still think Brady is career better, but Manning (Peyton) is number two for me, largely for the way he evolved his game as his health decreased.
I don't know, but the truly greats, the ones who have earned it, don't seem to have the need to whine for "loyalty". "Loyalty" to me in this context seems to mean "let me skate by on my laurels, while giving you less than my best".
Agreed. And it's a case of some guys just having that pedigree where they just walk in the room and it's there. There have been reports out there about Brady from the get-go with the Bucs was getting on players at camp about running the right routes and whatnot, and you know those guys took it to heart and worked to get better instead of thinking, "Who does this guy think he is?" When you walk on the field as a guy who has won 6 Super Bowls, like Brady did in Tampa last summer, it commands immediate respect and loyalty.
Unfortunately for Cam, his presence alone does not command that kind of respect or loyalty. And whining about it only makes it less likely to happen going forward.
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Seahawks/Raiders and Rams/Chargers. Last night was fun for me!
I've seen multiple videos of fights at the Rams game. Stay classy LA! ::)
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Reading all you nerds responses and how you take away the real enjoyment of the game makes me happy not to play fantasy football
Dude....it's a Dream Theater forum. What did you expect....grunting and loin cloths?
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Reading all you nerds responses and how you take away the real enjoyment of the game makes me happy not to play fantasy football
Dude....it's a Dream Theater forum. What did you expect....grunting and loin cloths?
No. I figured polyhedral dice and acme medication.
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Add me to the group who feels FF takes away from the overall enjoyment of the game. I'm cool never joining a league ever again but I can totally see myself falling for peer pressure at some point again.
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Reading all you nerds responses and how you take away the real enjoyment of the game makes me happy not to play fantasy football
Dude....it's a Dream Theater forum. What did you expect....grunting and loin cloths?
No. I figured polyhedral dice and acme medication.
:lol
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@ Joe..
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/sports-world-reacts-to-former-patriots-qbs-ridiculous-cam-newton-comment/ar-AANP1Ys?li=BBnb7Kz
LMFAO. Fuck Zo!
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I saw that. Lol. Me, Cam brings takes like this on himself.
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Zo is a douche.
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I saw that. Lol. Me, Cam brings takes like this on himself.
Huh? How did Cam bring a terrible take like this on himself?
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Zo is on a sports talk radio up here in N.E. Right now he is taking a beating for not being vaccinated and then missing 5 days with the covid protocols.
Right now the rookie QB looks like he's catching on fast so Cam can't afford to miss time. He was so bad last year that it opens him up to stupid takes.
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Stupid takes are the hallmark of sports talk radio. :lol :lol
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Especially up here where it's 24/7 New England sports talk.
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Stupid takes are the hallmark of sports talk radio. :lol :lol
Scott Zolak is an obnoxious man-child. He does color on the Pats' radio broadcast, where he can be pretty good. He does a daily 10-2 talk show where he says the most stupid immature, borderline offensive comments. Often times I've wondered if something he says would get picked up nationally, he'd be in trouble.
He has junior high humor that's not even funny. He also has a penchant for 80's music.
If he is talking football on his show, he's pretty good, but any other sport and he only knows the headlines. NO prep. Just dumb trying to be funny comments that too often are off color.
I hope this episode causes waves.
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He can't be all bad then if he has a penchant for 80's music. :P
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He can't be all bad then if he has a penchant for 80's music. :P
Well, I mentioned that as the opposite of rap.
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You make him out as a monster Tim. He's nothing like that. Felger & Maz are negative all the time because they know it's ratings gold. They are the issue with sports talk today. Not Zo.
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You make him out as a monster Tim. He's nothing like that. Felger & Maz are negative all the time because they know it's ratings gold. They are the issue with sports talk today. Not Zo.
He's a fucking ass clown. Felger and Mazz are actually quite bright and perceptive. I would say the same for Marc Bertrand.
I just don't find his frat boy humor all that funny. How old are we?
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But he's always been harmless. Felger and Maz are negative in a 13-3 season. Don't get me wrong, I listen to them to hate on them.
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The Athletic is going a countdown of the top 100 NFL players ever. 100-11 so far:
100: OLB Derrick Brooks
99: C Dermontti Dawson
98: HB Steve Van Buren
97: C Jim Otto
96: TE Mike Ditka
95: QB Fran Tarkenton
94: E-HB Elroy Hirsch
93: MLB Mike Singletary
92: HB Lenny Moore
91: DE Willie Davis
90: CB Willie Brown
89: QB Bobby Layne
88: CB Darrell Green
87: CB Champ Bailey
86: DT Buck Buchanan
85: C-T Bulldog Turner
84: C Mel Hein
83: DT Leo Nomellini
82: TE Kellen Winslow
81: TE John Mackey
80: MLB Willie Lanier
79: CB Mike Haynes
78: QB Roger Staubach
77: OLB Ted Hendricks
76: LT Art Shell
75: WR Paul Warfield
74: OLB Bobby Bell
73: FB Marion Motley
72: RB Adrian Peterson
71: CB Mel Blount
70: RB Marshall Faulk
69: QB Terry Bradshaw
68: CB-S Charles Woodson
67: LG Gene Upshaw
66: RB Earl Campbell
65: LB Joe Schmidt
64: LT Walter Jones
63: E Raymond Berry
62: MLB Ray Nitschke
61: QB Bart Starr
60: LT Jonathan Ogden
59: LB Junior Seau
58: CB Herb Adderley
57: C Mike Webster
56: TE Rob Gronkowski
55: WR Lance Alworth
54: C-LB Chuck Bednarik
53: RB Gale Sayers
52: OLB Jack Ham
51: RB LaDainian Tomlinson
50: CB Dick “Night Train” Lane
49: QB Steve Young
48: QB Sid Luckman
47: DT Randy White
46: TE Tony Gonzalez
45: G Larry Allen
44: G-C-T Bruce Matthews
43: QB Drew Brees
42: T-G Jim Parker
41: RB O.J. Simpson
40: RB Eric Dickerson
39: S Ed Reed
38: WR Randy Moss
37: MLB Jack Lambert
36: RT Forrest Gregg
35: DE J.J. Watt
34: DE Gino Marchetti
33: FB Bronko Nagurski
32: DT Alan Page
31: DT-DE Bob Lilly
30: LT Merlin Olsen
29: RB Emmitt Smith
28: CB Deion Sanders
27: RB Barry Sanders
26: CB-S Rod Woodson
25: LG John Hannah
24: DT-DE Aaron Donald
23: QB-S-P Sammy Baugh
22: QB Brett Favre
21: QB Aaron Rodgers
20: DE Bruce Smith
19: CB-S Ronnie Lott
18: QB Dan Marino
17: MLB/ILB Ray Lewis
16: DE Deacon Jones
15: QB John Elway
14: DT Joe Greene
13: E Don Hutson
12: LT Anthony Munoz
11: QB Otto Graham
Looks like the top 10 will be: Jerry Rice, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Joe Montana, Johnny Unitas, Jim Brown, Walter Payton Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White and Dick Butkus. Will be interesting to see the order.
Also, we await the meltdown from Terrell Owens because he not only didn't make the list, but Randy Moss did. :lol :lol
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Honestly, as much of a fan of Brady and Manning as I am, LT needs to be at #1. He FUNDAMENTALLY changed the game to this day. Brady "just" excelled at the game he was playing.
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Stupid takes are the hallmark of sports talk radio. :lol :lol
Scott Zolak is an obnoxious man-child. He does color on the Pats' radio broadcast, where he can be pretty good. He does a daily 10-2 talk show where he says the most stupid immature, borderline offensive comments. Often times I've wondered if something he says would get picked up nationally, he'd be in trouble.
He has junior high humor that's not even funny. He also has a penchant for 80's music.
If he is talking football on his show, he's pretty good, but any other sport and he only knows the headlines. NO prep. Just dumb trying to be funny comments that too often are off color.
I hope this episode causes waves.
I don't listen to enough of Pats sports radio to have a comment on the general presentation (though I listened to ESPN radio most of the weekend and it's hilarious how easy you can spot the "I'm looking to stir up shit" comments) but Zolak isn't entirely wrong, even if that's the worst way of making the point. I've long had a problem with any player - white or black - that has more energy for dancing and fucking around than for learning and knowing the playbook. I'll take the player - white or black - that is focused, and is putting every neuron that's firing in that moment into making the team better. Maybe, MAYBE, if you're Brady or Mahomes (since he's the greatest of all time now) can get away with it, because they are winning at every turn, even when they have no business whatsoever of winning. As long as Cam keeps making MENTAL ERRORS, like putting the ball on the turf on the one yard line, holding the ball like a loaf of bread IN THE WRONG HAND when his only job is to protect the football, then I think it's fair game to question where his head is at while dancing around the field. WHITE OR BLACK. It seems as if there isn't room to make ANY negative comments about black quarterbacks. (That same ESPN group was essentially aurally fellating Justin Fields for most of the weekend, and outright mocking Nagy for his choice to start Andy Dalton in game one.)
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Also, we await the meltdown from Terrell Owens because he not only didn't make the list, but Randy Moss did. :lol :lol
lol
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Honestly, as much of a fan of Brady and Manning as I am, LT needs to be at #1. He FUNDAMENTALLY changed the game to this day. Brady "just" excelled at the game he was playing.
They'd never do it, but I'd be find with LT at number 1. Honestly, LT, Brady, Rice or Peyton being number 1 would be fine with me, but I know that no QB is going ahead of Brady at this point, and I am fine with that given how much success he has now had. All I know is that LT and Rice are the two most dominant players I have ever seen since I started watching football in the mid 80's.
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If he's not #1, he was set up like a mother fucker! :lol
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Getting back to that Zolak/Newton story... it might not apply in this situation, but I don't like the narrative of "he sucked as a player, so his analysis sucks." Some of the best analysts in all sports were mediocre players. Same goes with coaching. Just as being a HoF'er as a player doesn't automatically make you good at either.
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Getting back to that Zolak/Newton story... it might not apply in this situation, but I don't like the narrative of "he sucked as a player, so his analysis sucks." Some of the best analysts in all sports were mediocre players. Same goes with coaching. Just as being a HoF'er as a player doesn't automatically make you good at either.
Zo is pretty good if he's just talking football and describing the action. He definitely sees things.
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Getting back to that Zolak/Newton story... it might not apply in this situation, but I don't like the narrative of "he sucked as a player, so his analysis sucks." Some of the best analysts in all sports were mediocre players. Same goes with coaching. Just as being a HoF'er as a player doesn't automatically make you good at either.
That's just weak way to attack. Truth is Zo should have said music. Left out the rap. Then they couldn't claim racism.
Dumb call by Zo but not a fireable offense
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Dumb call by Zo but not a fireable offense
Shit should add up though. No one in Boston will call him out. Besides Alex Reimer who got fucked because he is a nobody.
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Alex got fucked because he called Brady's kid a "Piss Ant."
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Not half as bad as what Zo said.
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I completely disagree.
He went after a child.
Zo said a QB was distracted by music. If the grown QB, who had a terrible season the year before, focused to get better and not miss time when the team drafted a rookie QB with their 1st pick then you'd have a point.
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I completely disagree.
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You really thing Zo's intent was racial or about his bad QB play?
Compared to Reimer attacking a child of a pro player which has nothing to do with sports Tim?
Come on man.
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You really thing Zo's intent was racial or about his bad QB play?
Do I think it was racial?...I don't know what's in Zo's head any more than you do. But what he said can easily be construed as racist. Easily. But Zo is a fucking numbskull. Just because uses a racial stereotype..I will not make a judgement that HE is a racist. But what he said..definitely was.
Reimer got fucking buried by the Boston sports media. Buried. It was overkill. I heard Dale Arnold absolutely excoriate him on air. WEEI had to overreact. Brady was a sponsored guest.
Mike Milbury lost his job for something far less than what Zo said.
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Reimer deserved it. You said Zo is a numbskull. Exactly. You know what he meant as a person in that position. Was is a bit, get off my lawn? Yup. I think he just meant he was so bad the year before and he missed 5 days for covid protocols that he needed to focus because he has a #1 draft pick looking better than him in pre season.
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You know what he meant as a person in that position. Was is a bit, get off my lawn? Yup. I think he just meant he was so bad the year before and he missed 5 days for covid protocols that he needed to focus because he has a #1 draft pick looking better than him in pre season.
That's probably what he meant, sure. But what he said ...I guess we just see it differently. Look, I can't stand the guy. I make that clear up front. He's fucking lucky all he had to do was apologize.
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That's what is clouding your judgement. What Reimer said was way worse.
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So Reimer can make an insulting comment about Brady's kid..not sexual, not racist, not vulgar, just stupid..and Zo can make use a racist stereotype?
OK...I'm gonna go to P/R now so I can relax! :lol
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You really think Zo's comment was racial? No history. You said yourself he's a numbskull.
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You really think Zo's comment was racial? No history. You said yourself he's a numbskull.
His comment was a racial stereotype. I never called him a racist.
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You think he used rap music to be racist or that's what's playing and he blurted it out live on the radio?
You, yourself said he's an idiot.
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Yes, he used a racial stereotype to make his point. Probably unintended, but he's simply not smart enough to know the difference. I'm not calling Zo a racist. But you can't say shit like that.
I still think he's lucky the fallout hasn't been worse.
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That's why he wasn't canceled and Reimer was.
End conversation.
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Yes, he used a racial stereotype to make his point. Probably unintended, but he's simply not smart enough to know the difference. I'm not calling Zo a racist. But you can't say shit like that.
I still think he's lucky the fallout hasn't been worse.
What was the music ACTUALLY PLAYING? If it was "Metallica" and he said "rap music" then you might be right. If the music at the camp ACTUALLY WAS rap music, I'm struggling to see how an accurate, factual descriptor turns into "racial stereotype".
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I think you know the answer to that one, Bill. ;)
See an analyst criticize a white QB for listening to rock music, and then see an analyst criticize a black QB for listening to rap music. And then see which analyst gets more blowback. I think we both know the answer to that in 2021.
In other words, I agree with Joe that it wasn't a racist comment, but I also agree with Tim that Zolak should have known the temperature of the room better (in a manner of speaking) and not even gone there.
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100% Kev. Zo didn't put any thought into what he was saying live. He was looking at the situation through his NFL QB glasses. He was wrong. Apologized, and that is why there wasn't a big stink about it.
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Cam released.
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The title! :rollin
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Cam released.
I'm seeing reports of that, but I'm not sure I buy the "unnamed source" yet. That just wouldn't make any sense, unless it was covid/attitude based. If nothing else, you'd stick him in a sealed vault somewhere in case he was needed as a backup somewhere.
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The Cowboys could use a more experienced backup but I'd rather roll with Cooper Rush as I think he would be just effective as Cam which is to say, not vey effective.
Besides, I like seeing the name RUSH on the back of his jersey. :metal
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Cam released.
I'm seeing reports of that, but I'm not sure I buy the "unnamed source" yet. That just wouldn't make any sense, unless it was covid/attitude based. If nothing else, you'd stick him in a sealed vault somewhere in case he was needed as a backup somewhere.
I'm wondering if he was told privately that he was going to be the backup and he asked for his release.
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Cam released.
I'm seeing reports of that, but I'm not sure I buy the "unnamed source" yet. That just wouldn't make any sense, unless it was covid/attitude based. If nothing else, you'd stick him in a sealed vault somewhere in case he was needed as a backup somewhere.
I'm wondering if he was told privately that he was going to be the backup and he asked for his release.
Perhaps, but I think it'd take more than "asking." I think it'd require some sort of major meltdown on his part. I just don't see a scenario where Hoyer is a better backup to have than Cam. If he asks for a release you just say no. Especially since the only way he lands on another team, I suspect, is if it's Miami or Buffalo, for obvious reasons.
Also, if the reports are correct, this may be the most Belichickian thing ever. Note the time:
Bill Belichick on Cam Newton: "Certainly he started at a much higher point than last year. Definitely moving in the right direction."
7:27 AM · Aug 31, 2021
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I don't either. My guess is they'll bring another vet backup.
Remember, Bill handles vets with clout a lot better when it comes to releasing them. Never says anything bad, tries to cut them them a chance to get picked up by another club. This 3 pre season game schedule really does affect that process for coaches this year.
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Cam is, at any given moment, a better QB on the field than Hoyer, but Hoyer is a better BACKUP QB than Cam, when you factor in attitude, preparedness, etc. I'm puzzled by the mechanics of it, like Barto, but I'm not losing any sleep over it, and honestly I think it's the best for all parties when all is said and done.
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Cam is, at any given moment, a better QB on the field than Hoyer, but Hoyer is a better BACKUP QB than Cam, when you factor in attitude, preparedness, etc. I'm puzzled by the mechanics of it, like Barto, but I'm not losing any sleep over it, and honestly I think it's the best for all parties when all is said and done.
Hoyer was pretty bad last year when he had to play. Moreover, while I share your concerns about Cam in the long term, he's one of those guys that would excel coming off the bench. Not only does he bring a great deal of energy, he's also the exact opposite of the QB the D has planned for. Lastly, factor in that he has, by all accounts, been a fantastic lockerroom presence. Unless he flipped out, they were better off with him on the roster. They don't need the 1.6 million they saved, and they'll likely shell out more than that for a veteran backup.
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Cam is, at any given moment, a better QB on the field than Hoyer, but Hoyer is a better BACKUP QB than Cam, when you factor in attitude, preparedness, etc. I'm puzzled by the mechanics of it, like Barto, but I'm not losing any sleep over it, and honestly I think it's the best for all parties when all is said and done.
Hoyer was pretty bad last year when he had to play. Moreover, while I share your concerns about Cam in the long term, he's one of those guys that would excel coming off the bench. Not only does he bring a great deal of energy, he's also the exact opposite of the QB the D has planned for. Lastly, factor in that he has, by all accounts, been a fantastic lockerroom presence. Unless he flipped out, they were better off with him on the roster. They don't need the 1.6 million they saved, and they'll likely shell out more than that for a veteran backup.
That's a very fair point. I worry about that in New Orleans with Hill and Winston. Everyone (that is to say, ESPN radio) is high as a kite on Jameis, but one, I think he's going to go right back to being Mr. Interception in the regular season, and two, Hill is not going to be the contrast he was with Brees under center.
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I was pretty shocked the Pats released Cam. Not as shocked that they named the rookie the starter; he's been great in preseason. But I just don't know why they wouldn't keep Cam around.
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I was pretty shocked the Pats released Cam. Not as shocked that they named the rookie the starter; he's been great in preseason. But I just don't know why they wouldn't keep Cam around.
I can only think that they had an agreement that if Cam wasn't starting he would be released or Cam asked to be released once he found out he wasn't starting.
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I was pretty shocked the Pats released Cam. Not as shocked that they named the rookie the starter; he's been great in preseason. But I just don't know why they wouldn't keep Cam around.
I can only think that they had an agreement that if Cam wasn't starting he would be released or Cam asked to be released once he found out he wasn't starting.
I would be a little surprised if Cam asked for such a thing, as well.
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Apparently other teams are interested in him, but only as a backup (obviously). I don't get how this is better for either side. Seems like he's better off riding the bench in NE than someplace else, and NE is certainly better off with him as a backup than Hoyer. Honestly, I think there's some reason why NE didn't want him around besides just giving him an opportunity elsewhere. There might have been a freakout, or they might be more pissed off about the Covid thing than they're letting on.
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I wouldn't be upset if the Giants picked him up as a back up. He's probably even the better option today than Daniel Jones. But I've also kind of given up on Jones. I just don't think he has "it".
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You may be right El Barto. It was probably a confluence of things. Covid dependability. Mac played at the same level so far.
I believe Albert Breer mentioned this today in his tweet.
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I was pretty shocked the Pats released Cam. Not as shocked that they named the rookie the starter; he's been great in preseason. But I just don't know why they wouldn't keep Cam around.
I can only think that they had an agreement that if Cam wasn't starting he would be released or Cam asked to be released once he found out he wasn't starting.
Greg Bedard just said on the radio that Can was not given that option. Bill let him go straight out.
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And Quinn Nordin gets the kicking gig. Bill is just full of surprises today.
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And Quinn Nordin gets the kicking gig. Bill is just full of surprises today.
That was a shocker as well. I was pretty shocked the Pats released Cam. Not as shocked that they named the rookie the starter; he's been great in preseason. But I just don't know why they wouldn't keep Cam around.
I can only think that they had an agreement that if Cam wasn't starting he would be released or Cam asked to be released once he found out he wasn't starting.
Greg Bedard just said on the radio that Can was not given that option. Bill let him go straight out.
I heard that as well though Greg has been wrong a lot. I'll guess we'll here leaks over the next few days.
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I know some do not like Cowherd, but I think his take about it today was probably pretty accurate: Cam's lack of reliability did him in. This is now twice he has been in COVID protocol, and Belichick wasn't gonna sit around and wait for a 3rd time. He isn't good enough anymore to warrant that kind of unreliability and possible harm to the team.
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I think it was a big part to the whole pie why BB cut him.
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I know some do not like Cowherd, but I think his take about it today was probably pretty accurate: Cam's lack of reliability did him in. This is now twice he has been in COVID protocol, and Belichick wasn't gonna sit around and wait for a 3rd time. He isn't good enough anymore to warrant that kind of unreliability and possible harm to the team.
That seems to be the popular opinion, however it still doesn't explain why you don't stash him somewhere. His cap hit was negligible, and if McCorkle breaks his collarbone in week 1 they're really going to miss the guy. They're never going to find a decent QB they could plug into their system, and having a backup that was your former starter is a nice insurance policy.
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They released Hoyer as well.
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Cam is all dried up.
Let's move on........................
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They released Hoyer as well.
They'll sign and release him two more times before the season starts. Or, maybe they'll convert Gunner Olszewski to 2nd string QB. At this point who knows?
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Yeah, I'll guess they'll expect no one will grab him and he'll resign.
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Yeah, I'll guess they'll expect no one will grab him and he'll resign.
To be eligible for IR a player has to be on the active roster. Once they move a few guys over they can resign a couple. I think this is why they cut both kickers last year. In this case Hoyer isn't subject to waivers, so he can do whatever he wants, and I doubt anybody will give him more than NE would to ride the pine.
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Yeah, I'll guess they'll expect no one will grab him and he'll resign.
To be eligible for IR a player has to be on the active roster. Once they move a few guys over they can resign a couple. I think this is why they cut both kickers last year. In this case Hoyer isn't subject to waivers, so he can do whatever he wants, and I doubt anybody will give him more than NE would to ride the pine.
Exactly. Just a maneuver.
The expectation is that they'll simply resign him tomorrow.
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You comfortable with that Tim? Him being the only back up for 6 weeks?
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You comfortable with that Tim? Him being the only back up for 6 weeks?
You make it sound like Stidham's return would be an improvement. :lol
The reality is that Bill's never been one to panic about the quarterback position. This is a guy that went into a game with Jacoby Brisset and Julian Edelman as his backup, FFS. I think to him it's more about the big picture, and they have to be able to win games despite the QB. I get that. I just don't see why you don't keep a high quality backup that you've already trained and paid for.
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No, I was leading him to the 2nd tragedy. :lol
You ruined my fun. :lol
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I know some do not like Cowherd, but I think his take about it today was probably pretty accurate: Cam's lack of reliability did him in. This is now twice he has been in COVID protocol, and Belichick wasn't gonna sit around and wait for a 3rd time. He isn't good enough anymore to warrant that kind of unreliability and possible harm to the team.
That seems to be the popular opinion, however it still doesn't explain why you don't stash him somewhere. His cap hit was negligible, and if McCorkle breaks his collarbone in week 1 they're really going to miss the guy. They're never going to find a decent QB they could plug into their system, and having a backup that was your former starter is a nice insurance policy.
I don't think Cam is a guy who would happily sit behind the starter and be a good teammate. He already had the cryptic tweet recently about how he deserves respect, and that is not the Patriot Way. He was never a good fit there.
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You comfortable with that Tim? Him being the only back up for 6 weeks?
If Mac got knocked out for a week, I'd be fine with Hoyer playing a game. I wouldn't be surprised to see Bill add a guy. Maybe someone that was cut today. Didn't they let a QB go during camp?
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Tebow is available again.
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I can't even name the 4th string QB. LOL
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I can't even name the 4th string QB. LOL
It occurs to me that currently Jacoby Myers is the second string QB. :lol
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Obviously, Bill will pick up someone but that is funny to read.
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Tebow is available again.
There you go.
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Fun trivia stats and things I’m finding in my reading leading up to the 2021 season:
What do Aaron Rodgers, Tim Tebow, Blake Bortles, and Baker Mayfield all have in common?
Their signature playoff performances all came against a Mike Tomlin defense.
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Excuse me for jumping in here lads, but guessing there's some experts in here and I really need some advice and where else but my fav place in the world and people to get it from. I'm playing NFL Fantasy with a group of guys I play Aussie football fantasy with. We just do NFL in the offseason for something to do but I don't follow it at all. I know some names but haven't done any research and most my team was autofilled lol. Had some trade offers and don't want to get screwed so thought some of you lads may be able to help.
Trade 1;
I send - Nick Chubb and Chris Goodwin, and I receive - Chris Carson, Rashaad Penny and Terry McLaurin
Trade 2;
I send - Henry Ruggs, and I receive - Sterling Shepard
Trade 3;
I send Josh Allen, and I receive - Tom Brady and Michael Gallup
Thinking from my minimal knowledge I'm getting lowballed here? Am I right?
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Honestly, it is hard to judge how fair a trade is without seeing the entire rosters of both teams involved in the offer.
That said, the first trade is a clown offer. No way would I accept that under any circumstance. Chubb is too valuable to even consider that offer even close to fair.
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Thanks mate. That was the one I thought was the one taking the piss the most. My team is FYI;
Josh Allen
Nick Chubb
Melvin Gordon
Deandre Hopkins
Chris Godwin
Mike Gesicki
Adam Thielen
Leonard Fournette
49ers
Jalen Hurts
Ronald Jones
Ty'son Williams
Kenneth Gainwell
Nelson Agholor
Henry Ruggs
I know most of the starting team, so I'm pretty happy with this I think.
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Yep, no need for you to make any of those trades. Zero upside to any of them.
Trade 1 is laughably bad.
Ruggs has more upside than Shepherd, and neither should start for you except maybe on bye weeks or if you get a rash of injuries, so trade 2 is pointless.
And trade 3 is unnecessary. Adding Gallup to your bench probably isn't needed, and Allen will likely be a better fantasy QB than Brady (passing numbers could be similar overall, but Allen runs a ton and will get a lot of rushing yards and a handful of rushing scores).
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Yep, no need for you to make any of those trades. Zero upside to any of them.
Trade 1 is laughably bad.
Ruggs has more upside than Shepherd, and neither should start for you except maybe on bye weeks or if you get a rash of injuries, so trade 2 is pointless.
And trade 3 is unnecessary. Adding Gallup to your bench probably isn't needed, and Allen will likely be a better fantasy QB than Brady (passing numbers could be similar overall, but Allen runs a ton and will get a lot of rushing yards and a handful of rushing scores).
Thanks mate, really appreciate it.
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Thanks mate, really appreciate it.
Glad to help. :)
To me, FF trades are only worth making if they help both teams. I used to work with a guy who would make ridiculous offers to everyone on a regular basis, so I started sending him "I will trade you my kicker for Patrick Mahomes"-type offers. He was not amused. Others were. :biggrin:
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Anyone been watching The History of the Atlanta Falcons? Dorktown's latest series.
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Anyone been watching The History of the Atlanta Falcons? Dorktown's latest series.
I didn't know it was a thing. Is it any good?
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Jon Bois is a masterful storyteller. Most of the content on Secret Base is great, but his material elevates it to a level that exceeds brilliance. I loved the series on the Mariners, because I've been living it my whole life. I am much farther removed from the Falcons. And while in a vacuum I doubt I'd find much of it interesting, in the hands of Jon and Alex, I am enraptured.
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A must-read, and the greatest breakdown of Aaron Rodgers and the Manning-Brady comparison you will ever read:
https://captaincomeback.blog/2021/09/07/top-100-nfl-quarterbacks-of-the-21st-century-part-viii-5-1/
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A must-read, and the greatest breakdown of Aaron Rodgers and the Manning-Brady comparison you will ever read:
https://captaincomeback.blog/2021/09/07/top-100-nfl-quarterbacks-of-the-21st-century-part-viii-5-1/
You didn't post the article, though. That link doesn't work; all I saw was a Brady hatchet job... oh, wait, I get it now... :) :) :)
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I chuckled reading that. Of course, I made that points years ago that if you changed the luck of Brady and Manning with kickers in the playoffs in their first 10 years, their playoff outcomes would have been a lot different, but once people get dug in with their narratives, good luck getting them to listen.
Putting Mahomes already at number 2 for this century though is just stupid.
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I chuckled reading that. Of course, I made that points years ago that if you changed the luck of Brady and Manning with kickers in the playoffs in their first 10 years, their playoff outcomes would have been a lot different, but once people get dug in with their narratives, good luck getting them to listen.
Putting Mahomes already at number 2 for this century though is just stupid.
That's why it was posted, though.
Brady could cure cancer, solve the riddle of the Sphinx, restore the Star Wars franchise to greatness, end the Afghanistan conflict with grace and reason, provide healthcare for all, reunite the original Kiss lineup, and convict Donald Trump of tax fraud, and Dream Team would complain he was overrated and wonder why he didn't address climate change.
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Brady could cure cancer, solve the riddle of the Sphinx, restore the Star Wars franchise to greatness, end the Afghanistan conflict with grace and reason, provide healthcare for all, reunite the original Kiss lineup, and convict Donald Trump of tax fraud, and Dream Team would complain he was overrated and wonder why he didn't address climate change.
:lol
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??? Are you trying to imply that Brady didn't do those things?
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What an underachiever.
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He did all that while drunk, on a boat, full of covid tossing trophies all over the place. The man can juggle.
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And still have enough stamina to fuck Bill Belichick.
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And still have enough stamina to fuck Bill Belichick.
In 4 weeks.
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And still have enough stamina to fuck Bill Belichick.
In 4 weeks.
On a low-carb diet.
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And still have enough stamina to fuck Bill Belichick.
In 4 weeks.
With Stephon Gilmour I'd bet on Belichick and JMD. Without him they've got a problem. Brady is definitely beatable, nobody gameplans better than Belichick, and nobody knows Brady's tendencies better than JMD. I just think they'll be lacking personnel.
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And still have enough stamina to fuck Bill Belichick.
In 4 weeks.
With Stephon Gilmour I'd bet on Belichick and JMD. Without him they've got a problem. Brady is definitely beatable, nobody gameplans better than Belichick, and nobody knows Brady's tendencies better than JMD. I just think they'll be lacking personnel.
Because of all you say, that really makes the game interesting.
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And still have enough stamina to fuck Bill Belichick.
In 4 weeks.
With Stephon Gilmour I'd bet on Belichick and JMD. Without him they've got a problem. Brady is definitely beatable, nobody gameplans better than Belichick, and nobody knows Brady's tendencies better than JMD. I just think they'll be lacking personnel.
I was daydreaming in the car this morning (listening to ESPN radio literally fellate the Tampa coaching staff and wide receiver corps; it sounded like "Rocket Queen" from Guns'n'Roses for f---- sake) and how cool would it be for Tampa to be in the Super Bowl, undefeated, playing the Pats and have Bill pull a Tom Coughlin on them? Ah, dreams.
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The way to beat Brady is to use his own tendencies against him. Nobody reads D's as well as Brady. Show him something before the snap. Show him something different after the snap, which delays his read. Nobody adjusts after the snap better than Brady, either, but it takes a second, and if his receivers aren't on the same page it creates opportunities for mistakes (or sacks). Moreover, Brady's best skill is learning what you're doing during the game and figuring out counters. It's why he's so devastating in the 4th quarter. After 45 minutes of play he knows all your tricks. If you know what you're' doing you can beat him there, too. Belichick and JMD can set traps for him because of that skill. I'm just not sure they have the talent in the secondary to make it work right now.
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I can't remember the last time a Pats D didn't line up and floated around pre snap. actually, it's been a while since I've seen any team try that to confuse a QB.
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The way to beat Brady is to use his own tendencies against him. Nobody reads D's as well as Brady. Show him something before the snap. Show him something different after the snap, which delays his read. Nobody adjusts after the snap better than Brady, either, but it takes a second, and if his receivers aren't on the same page it creates opportunities for mistakes (or sacks). Moreover, Brady's best skill is learning what you're doing during the game and figuring out counters. It's why he's so devastating in the 4th quarter. After 45 minutes of play he knows all your tricks. If you know what you're' doing you can beat him there, too. Belichick and JMD can set traps for him because of that skill. I'm just not sure they have the talent in the secondary to make it work right now.
When the Pats and Bucs play week 4, I fully expect for Belichick to find a way to not let Brady and the Bucs offense score at will, but I doubt the Pats offense will be able to do enough against that Bucs D to win the game, especially since their strength will likely be running the ball, and stopping the run is what the Bucs D does best (assuming it's pretty similar to last year's). Feels like a 20-10 Bucs win.
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It's not inconceivable that the entire NFC-W makes the playoffs. The only thing making it unlikely is that the Cards have to play the other 3 twice. If they were in another division I'd have them as a WC team.
Looks to me that of last year's two SB teams, one remains exactly the same, which is highly uncommon, and the other has actually improved a bit. Barring injuries I'd bet on a better rematch.
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It's not inconceivable that the entire NFC-W makes the playoffs. The only thing making it unlikely is that the Cards have to play the other 3 twice. If they were in another division I'd have them as a WC team.
Hell, put Arizona in the NFC East, and I'd make them the favorite to win it, although Washington should be good with that defense, Rivera and those weapons on offense for Fitzmagic (who I am sure will be his usual up and down self, but he's still an improvement on what they had for much of last year). The idea that Dallas is the favorite to win that division is hilarious.
Looks to me that of last year's two SB teams, one remains exactly the same, which is highly uncommon, and the other has actually improved a bit. Barring injuries I'd bet on a better rematch.
I don't think the Chiefs will be your normal SB losing team that inexplicably crashes back to earth despite having all of the pieces in place to get back there (I have lost count at how many times that has been said about the team that just lost the Super Bowl), but I also do not think they are the lock to get back there that many think they are. There are a lot of AFC teams with a lot of talent that could easily take the next step and be good enough to get to the big game and be TB12's next victim. :P
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Brady porn tonight! Damn.
I hope Dream Team is catching up on some Netflix.
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Brady porn tonight! Damn.
I hope Dream Team is catching up on some Netflix.
:lol :lol
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It's not inconceivable that the entire NFC-W makes the playoffs. The only thing making it unlikely is that the Cards have to play the other 3 twice. If they were in another division I'd have them as a WC team.
Hell, put Arizona in the NFC East, and I'd make them the favorite to win it, although Washington should be good with that defense, Rivera and those weapons on offense for Fitzmagic (who I am sure will be his usual up and down self, but he's still an improvement on what they had for much of last year). The idea that Dallas is the favorite to win that division is hilarious.
I've got WTF in the 3rd WC spot, just because I think AZ will lose too much in their division. I think Dallas will be alright in the East. I can't in good conscience pick any team with Fitzpatrick to win consistently. Their D will keep them in the running, but not even the 93 Cowboys could stay in a game where they throw 5 picks, and WTF will have several of those.
Looks to me that of last year's two SB teams, one remains exactly the same, which is highly uncommon, and the other has actually improved a bit. Barring injuries I'd bet on a better rematch.
I don't think the Chiefs will be your normal SB losing team that inexplicably crashes back to earth despite having all of the pieces in place to get back there (I have lost count at how many times that has been said about the team that just lost the Super Bowl), but I also do not think they are the lock to get back there that many think they are. There are a lot of AFC teams with a lot of talent that could easily take the next step and be good enough to get to the big game and be TB12's next victim. :P
Buffalo is certainly a possibility, but I don't see any reason to think that KC won't be even better than their last 3 seasons.
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Fair point about Fitzpatrick. He only seems to do well when he comes in off the bench and expectation are low.
Meanwhile, what a doofus McCarthy is. It didn't hurt them in the end, but going for that 60-yard FG with a kicker who is struggling tonight is such a moronic decision. Arians looks like the smarter coach here for once.
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I don't know..the kicker is killing him.
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Too risky. Like I said, he got lucky, but you don't attempt a FG that long with a struggling kicker and risk giving the ball to Brady at the 50. Just stupid. McCarthy is a clown who is lucky he had Favre and Rodgers for most of his career.
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Too risky. Like I said, he got lucky, but you don't attempt a FG that long with a struggling kicker and risk giving the ball to Brady at the 50. Just stupid.
OK, but against Brady, you have to go for it. You have to be aggressive. Make the damn kick.
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I don't know..the kicker is killing him.
Might be saying that for the Pats.
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Fair point about Fitzpatrick. He only seems to do well when he comes in off the bench and expectation are low.
Meanwhile, what a doofus McCarthy is. It didn't hurt them in the end, but going for that 60-yard FG with a kicker who is struggling tonight is such a moronic decision. Arians looks like the smarter coach here for once.
Well he damn near made it. :lol I'm not a McCarthy fan, but I think there was an idea about getting Z some confidence. You're not really expected to make it from that far, and if you do it's a big boost. And in the end, Dallas came a helluva lot closer to scoring the end than Tampa did. It certainly wasn't playing the odds, but it was ballsy and it wasn't unreasonable.
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Tampa's punter is tremendous. Their coverage is horrendous.
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Sure looked like OPI to me. And both teams need to learn how to manage the clock.
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Sure looked like OPI to me. And both teams need to learn how to manage the clock.
Wouldn't be a classic TB12 win without a bad PI call (or non-call) that goes in his favor. :lol You can set your watch to it.
McCarthy is a dope. I stand by it. Their play calling after they got in FG range was laughably bad.
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Holy shit what a nerve wracking game. Ugly win, a ton of mistakes by the Bucs, it's a miracle you commit 4 turnovers and come out with the W. Most likely was an OPI at the end by Godwin. Either way.. phew.
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One thing is for sure: the Cowboys losing in heartbreaking fashion, which they have becomes aces at in the 21st century, will never not be enjoyable. :coolio :coolio
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That was a good football game last night. There were moments - that second drive - where Tampa Bay looked like they were playing on an entirely different level. But they didn't sustain it. Dallas' D played really well last night and their offense hung in there. I'm sure Dallas is upset and feel like they let one get away, but I think that's the easy answer.
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That was a good football game last night. There were moments - that second drive - where Tampa Bay looked like they were playing on an entirely different level. But they didn't sustain it. Dallas' D played really well last night and their offense hung in there. I'm sure Dallas is upset and feel like they let one get away, but I think that's the easy answer.
Yes we are and yes we did let one get away. Same as it ever was.......
And McCarthy is a dope! Kellen Moore is you're next HC of the Boys.....
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Glad I picked the Bucs last night. Dallas figures out a way to lose as usual.
:slowclap:
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Glad I picked the Bucs last night. Dallas figures out a way to lose as usual.
:slowclap:
Most Dallas fans knew we were going to lose to the Bucs but what we didn't expect was hanging with that defense and Dak didn't miss a beat. I feel encouraged but the bottom line is we still blew it. :tdwn
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I just screamed at the television. Jets football is officially back.
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I just screamed at the television. Jets football is officially back.
:lol
Haven't been watching, but Niners sound pretty solid.
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Props to the Browns so far. They have come out and punched the Chiefs in the mouth.
Can't say I was surprised by that Steelers/Bills game earlier. I am not convinced the Bills magic of 2020 will carry over, and that Steelers D is fantastic.
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Meanwhile, Aaron Rodgers must still have his offseason hissy fit on the brain, because he and his offense have been a no-show. Way to be a leader on opening day after all of that nonsense this offseason, Aaron. :tdwn :tdwn
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Development is key this season. The Jets clearly have a lot of work to do, but there were some flashes of potential today. Most important was Zach Wilson keeping his cool and making some nice throws in the face of a collapsing O-line and swarming opposing defense. That INT was ugly, but he shook it off and once his receivers stopped dropping perfectly good passes (the thing that made me scream at the television in the first place) he put together a decent final quarter and a half.
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I appreciated the Jets getting that late score to cover the line and lose 19-14 when they were +5.5 :tup :tup
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If the Pats end up losing this game, it'll be because they have killed themselves with penalties.
And their O-Line is getting the shit kicked out of them.
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And 2 untimely fumbles.
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I thought they were quite timely. :P
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Number of times RB fumbled when down 1-3 pts in 4th quarter:
Tom Brady 1 in 345 starts
Mac Jones 1 in 1 start
When you have a horseshoe that far up your ass, it ain’t ever coming out. See: Dallas kicker missing 2 FGs and an XP Thursday night. But you know, He willed it . . .
Dishonest headlines already abound. Instead of “Dallas kicker chokes” it’s “Brady outduels Prescott” even though Prescott had a higher QBR and passer rating for the game ::). So sick of that shit.
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Props to the Browns so far. They have come out and punched the Chiefs in the mouth.
Can't say I was surprised by that Steelers/Bills game earlier. I am not convinced the Bills magic of 2020 will carry over, and that Steelers D is fantastic.
Chiefs D get punched in the mouth all the time. Didn’t do the Browns any good today.
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Props to the Browns so far. They have come out and punched the Chiefs in the mouth.
Can't say I was surprised by that Steelers/Bills game earlier. I am not convinced the Bills magic of 2020 will carry over, and that Steelers D is fantastic.
Chiefs D get punched in the mouth all the time. Didn’t do the Browns any good today.
I’m hoping the Browns will have figured out a way to cover Kelce and Tyreek Hill for their rematch in January. Browns had I think 8 or 9 new starters on D from last season, so it will take some time for them to gel. Browns offense looked unbeatable until the Chubb fumble in the 3rd. They barely had the ball in the 2nd half, and yet they still had a chance to win on their last drive. Hopefully, they take this loss and use it as motivation for the rest of the season.
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Props to the Browns so far. They have come out and punched the Chiefs in the mouth.
Can't say I was surprised by that Steelers/Bills game earlier. I am not convinced the Bills magic of 2020 will carry over, and that Steelers D is fantastic.
Chiefs D get punched in the mouth all the time. Didn’t do the Browns any good today.
I’m hoping the Browns will have figured out a way to cover Kelce and Tyreek Hill for their rematch in January. Browns had I think 8 or 9 new starters on D from last season, so it will take some time for them to gel. Browns offense looked unbeatable until the Chubb fumble in the 3rd. They barely had the ball in the 2nd half, and yet they still had a chance to win on their last drive. Hopefully, they take this loss and use it as motivation for the rest of the season.
The Browns may possibly be the best team in the AFC North (we’ll see how tonight goes for Baltimore), but if they want to be Super Bowl contenders, they HAVE to win these types of games. Kansas City was reeling and Cleveland took their foot off the gas. You cannot give this Chiefs offense any momentum. It’s only one week in, but the Browns may have already choked away their chance at the top seed and a first round bye, which will be even more important this year with the extra regular season game.
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I'll tell you what, there was some entertaining football being played this past weekend. :metal
Has the league ever had this many quality QBs?
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Number of times RB fumbled when down 1-3 pts in 4th quarter:
Tom Brady 1 in 345 starts
Mac Jones 1 in 1 start
When you have a horseshoe that far up your ass, it ain’t ever coming out. See: Dallas kicker missing 2 FGs and an XP Thursday night. But you know, He willed it . . .
Dishonest headlines already abound. Instead of “Dallas kicker chokes” it’s “Brady outduels Prescott” even though Prescott had a higher QBR and passer rating for the game ::). So sick of that shit.
You're telling me. ;) :) :) P) :) :) ;)
One game, one season, hell, even one "generation" of players (three years more or less). Sure, maybe it's a horseshoe. But for 22 seasons, 7 Super Bowls, 5 Super Bowl MVPs, over two teams and two coaches, and "horseshoe" is just not a defensible position.
And as for your criticism of "Brady outduels Prescott"; that's got nothing to do with Brady, that's the nature of the biznis. I literally heard the Browns/Chiefs game, the Packers/Saints game, and the Pats/Dolphins game described that way.
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Jets/Panthers thoughts:
Wilson looked pretty good - those last few drives are something you want to see as a Jets fan, with the early miscues being something you expect to see with most rookies. Jets are a young team with a young head coach but if they can click over the next few weeks they might still be in the picture the 2nd half of the season (though a playoff run would just be a bonus at this point).
Panthers fans should temper their excitement a bit - seeing Darnold make a big play or two but ultimately miss a lot of opportunities and only put up a single TD pass against a team like the Jets is not stellar - being above average with flashes of greatness against bad/mediocre teams has been his ceiling thus far.
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Development is key this season. The Jets clearly have a lot of work to do, but there were some flashes of potential today. Most important was Zach Wilson keeping his cool and making some nice throws in the face of a collapsing O-line and swarming opposing defense. That INT was ugly, but he shook it off and once his receivers stopped dropping perfectly good passes (the thing that made me scream at the television in the first place) he put together a decent final quarter and a half.
Agree. Wilson is gifted. And he showed some toughness and resiliency with that porous line.
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Yup. At this point the worry would be - how much they gonna let him get smacked around like that?
Last thing you want from your rookie QB is to suffer a serious injury.
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Definitely a mixed bag for the Panthers.
Yay, a win!
But man, they only looked THIS MUCH better than the Jets. The freakin' JETS.
We'll see what happens, I guess.
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Really thought there was potential for the Giants to be a bit better. Coaches in 2nd year, the team overall improved as last season went on, we got Barkley back, a new solid WR, our best defensive player back on what was a slid D last year... and looked like an even worse version of last year's team. I've said before and I'll say it again, I don't think Daniels is a good QB. His turnovers are ALWAYS so costly and at the worst time. He doesn't have "it". I think the OL isn't that good, but they are not the problem. Daniels has time, just misses his throws or eyes down the receiver to let the defenders make a play. If he doesn't turn things around, he needs to go after this season.
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The Browns may possibly be the best team in the AFC North (we’ll see how tonight goes for Baltimore), but if they want to be Super Bowl contenders, they HAVE to win these types of games. Kansas City was reeling and Cleveland took their foot off the gas. You cannot give this Chiefs offense any momentum. It’s only one week in, but the Browns may have already choked away their chance at the top seed and a first round bye, which will be even more important this year with the extra regular season game.
I don't agree that Cleveland took their foot off the gas. They stayed aggressive and went up 29-20 with 10-11 minutes left and then this happened:
-Mahomes makes an unreal throw on the next play to make it 29-27 just like that.
-Mayfield gets sacked on their first play on their next possession, resulting in a 3 and out.
-The Browns punter drops the snap and the Chiefs get the ball in the red zone.
-Chiefs scored a TD right away and it's 33-29.
You blinked and it went from 29-20 Browns to 33-29 Chiefs. I didn't see any let-up by the Browns. The Chiefs just made plays nd the Browns had a few costly mistakes.
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This Raiders - Ravens game is pretty good. Haven't followed the Raiders too much since Gruden joined but always assumed they've sucked the past few years.
On to OT.
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That game was ugly for most of it…and then suddenly got interesting in the late 3rd quarter.
So many blown opportunities for both teams. I can think of at least 3 times (by both teams…total of 6) when the game should have been put away, and the controlling team completely blew it.
I take it back. It wasn’t ugly for most of it…it was just ugly period. But the “ugly” just made the entire 2nd half of the game that much more fun.
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I only saw the beginning and end of the game, but that was a wildly entertaining finish. Raiders tried like heck to lose it in Raider fashion, but somehow pulled it out.
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I only saw the beginning and end of the game, but that was a wildly entertaining finish. Raiders tried like heck to lose it in Raider fashion, but somehow pulled it out.
Caught the last 30 minutes in a Burbank pizza parlour, and that's about all the football I got to see (or even hear) over the weekend. Certainly entertaining, though.
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I only saw the beginning and end of the game, but that was a wildly entertaining finish. Raiders tried like heck to lose it in Raider fashion, but somehow pulled it out.
Caught the last 30 minutes in a Burbank pizza parlour, and that's about all the football I got to see (or even hear) over the weekend. Certainly entertaining, though.
Football in California is AWESOME. Get to watch the first games on Sunday over breakfast, and Sunday night/Monday night at dinner. When I lived out there (also in Burbank, by the way) I loved going out, getting a seat at the bar, having dinner and watching football. Home by 9:30, 10 and perfect.
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(https://i.imgur.com/FU6flBh.jpg)
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WOW!!
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(https://i.imgur.com/FU6flBh.jpg)
That is very impressive.
But the real best performance from that game was the augmented reality panther in the stadium produced by the Panthers social media team.
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I saw that! That was pretty impressive.
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Impressive or stupid?
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:lol at the beer drinker. Holy crap that must have cost a fortune.
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:lol at the beer drinker. Holy crap that must have cost a fortune.
Did he see any of the game for all the bathroom breaks he needed to take?
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Impressive or stupid?
Yes.
:lol at the beer drinker. Holy crap that must have cost a fortune.
I'm actually a little skeptical about this. Do they sell Lite beer at the Panthers' stadium? Seems like it's a Bud Light stadium: https://www.panthers.com/news/panthers-bud-light-celebrate-return-of-fans-pregame-beer-toast
But yeah...if you figure $12 each, and there are at least 17 bottle-cans in that photo, that's over $200 worth of piss water. He might actually have gotten a mild buzz from that.
I only saw the beginning and end of the game, but that was a wildly entertaining finish. Raiders tried like heck to lose it in Raider fashion, but somehow pulled it out.
Caught the last 30 minutes in a Burbank pizza parlour, and that's about all the football I got to see (or even hear) over the weekend. Certainly entertaining, though.
Football in California is AWESOME. Get to watch the first games on Sunday over breakfast, and Sunday night/Monday night at dinner. When I lived out there (also in Burbank, by the way) I loved going out, getting a seat at the bar, having dinner and watching football. Home by 9:30, 10 and perfect.
Damn right. When we used to have to do the family obligation trips to the eastern time zone (and now when I'm there for business), it SUCKED not having football start until after 1pm and the Sunday/Monday night games not start until well into prime time.
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I only saw the beginning and end of the game, but that was a wildly entertaining finish. Raiders tried like heck to lose it in Raider fashion, but somehow pulled it out.
Caught the last 30 minutes in a Burbank pizza parlour, and that's about all the football I got to see (or even hear) over the weekend. Certainly entertaining, though.
Football in California is AWESOME. Get to watch the first games on Sunday over breakfast, and Sunday night/Monday night at dinner. When I lived out there (also in Burbank, by the way) I loved going out, getting a seat at the bar, having dinner and watching football. Home by 9:30, 10 and perfect.
Damn right. When we used to have to do the family obligation trips to the eastern time zone (and now when I'm there for business), it SUCKED not having football start until after 1pm and the Sunday/Monday night games not start until well into prime time.
I think you're both wrong. Having games start at ten in the morning kind of blows. Don't much care for that at all. I can certainly see how the East coast has it all too late, though. MNF might run past midnight, and if you actually go to a game you're committed to the wee hours. Maybe it's just because it's what I know, but CST is where it's at. Football all afternoon on Sundays, and a night game if you're interested.
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Maybe it's just because it's what I know, but CST is where it's at.
That's really what it comes down to: it's what you're used to. I used to ask my wife all the time how anyone on the east coast ever saw a World Series game. No wonder youth participation is waning when WS games routinely end after midnight eastern time. At least with the NFL, although the night games are too late for most kids to see, there are early games they can watch.
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Maybe it's just because it's what I know, but CST is where it's at.
That's really what it comes down to: it's what you're used to. I used to ask my wife all the time how anyone on the east coast ever saw a World Series game. No wonder youth participation is waning when WS games routinely end after midnight eastern time. At least with the NFL, although the night games are too late for most kids to see, there are early games they can watch.
Yeah, exactly. And that really goes for all sports. They're all on late. Thank God the Baseball Union at least fought for the getaway day games.
I've posted this a number of times, but I like to go to bed with a West Coast game on. We've been to most of the stadiums, and it's nice to nod off to a game. But we've been out west 4 times in 6 years, and there's nothing on after 10:30!!!
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I only saw the beginning and end of the game, but that was a wildly entertaining finish. Raiders tried like heck to lose it in Raider fashion, but somehow pulled it out.
Caught the last 30 minutes in a Burbank pizza parlour, and that's about all the football I got to see (or even hear) over the weekend. Certainly entertaining, though.
Football in California is AWESOME. Get to watch the first games on Sunday over breakfast, and Sunday night/Monday night at dinner. When I lived out there (also in Burbank, by the way) I loved going out, getting a seat at the bar, having dinner and watching football. Home by 9:30, 10 and perfect.
Damn right. When we used to have to do the family obligation trips to the eastern time zone (and now when I'm there for business), it SUCKED not having football start until after 1pm and the Sunday/Monday night games not start until well into prime time.
I think you're both wrong. Having games start at ten in the morning kind of blows. Don't much care for that at all. I can certainly see how the East coast has it all too late, though. MNF might run past midnight, and if you actually go to a game you're committed to the wee hours. Maybe it's just because it's what I know, but CST is where it's at. Football all afternoon on Sundays, and a night game if you're interested.
I'm with you EB, I don't like watching sports on the west coast at all. Especially watching my east coast teams from the west coast. But it may come down to what you are used to and comfortable with as PG stated. The late night endings are pretty rough on the East coast, but I'd rather that than nothing to watch at night on the west coast or watching games when I just wake up.
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I only saw the beginning and end of the game, but that was a wildly entertaining finish. Raiders tried like heck to lose it in Raider fashion, but somehow pulled it out.
Caught the last 30 minutes in a Burbank pizza parlour, and that's about all the football I got to see (or even hear) over the weekend. Certainly entertaining, though.
Football in California is AWESOME. Get to watch the first games on Sunday over breakfast, and Sunday night/Monday night at dinner. When I lived out there (also in Burbank, by the way) I loved going out, getting a seat at the bar, having dinner and watching football. Home by 9:30, 10 and perfect.
Damn right. When we used to have to do the family obligation trips to the eastern time zone (and now when I'm there for business), it SUCKED not having football start until after 1pm and the Sunday/Monday night games not start until well into prime time.
I think you're both wrong. Having games start at ten in the morning kind of blows. Don't much care for that at all. I can certainly see how the East coast has it all too late, though. MNF might run past midnight, and if you actually go to a game you're committed to the wee hours. Maybe it's just because it's what I know, but CST is where it's at. Football all afternoon on Sundays, and a night game if you're interested.
Personally, I love it. Fits my schedule perfectly. Get home from church and either fire up the DVR and watch the early game if that's when my team is playing, or let whatever current game finish up while we get lunch ready, and then sit down to a late lunch as the afternoon game is getting ready to start. Love it.
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Here's an absolutely crazy stat I read as I look ahead to the Steelers-Raiders game Sunday . . .
Since Ben was drafted, the Steelers have never missed the playoffs by more than 1 game.
In all 5 of those years, they lost a game to the Raiders. Better win this weekend!
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Here's an absolutely crazy stat I read as I look ahead to the Steelers-Raiders game Sunday . . .
Since Ben was drafted, the Steelers have never missed the playoffs by more than 1 game.
In all 5 of those years, they lost a game to the Raiders. Better win this weekend!
There's something missing here.
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Here's an absolutely crazy stat I read as I look ahead to the Steelers-Raiders game Sunday . . .
Since Ben was drafted, the Steelers have never missed the playoffs by more than 1 game.
In all 5 of those years, they lost a game to the Raiders. Better win this weekend!
There's something missing here.
All five years they missed the playoffs? You're right there is a factoid that connects everything missing. It's probably Tom Brady's fault. ;D
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Side bar: I am quite enjoying Max Kellerman on with Keyshawn and JMax. So much better than First Take. Max was annoying as hell across from Stephen A., now I know it's because of what a clown the latter is. Keyshawn also being very intelligent whilst being down to earth is a big part of it. As far as First Take with Stephen A. now across from Michael Irving - don't know, and don't care. Have no desire to watch that.
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I lost patience with Stephen A long ago.
BTW, Petyton and Eli live-convoing MNF is fucking GOLD.
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(https://i.imgur.com/FU6flBh.jpg)
That is very impressive.
But the real best performance from that game was the augmented reality panther in the stadium produced by the Panthers social media team.
Probably had more completions than the Panthers QB in that game. ;)
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I like Tayler Heinike. I don't give a damn about his team, but he's an easy kid to root for. I think he needs to learn to settle down, but with enough starts that'll come.
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I like Tayler Heinike. I don't give a damn about his team, but he's an easy kid to root for.
I agree.
I don't know of he's actually good enough, but I at least hope he gets a fair shot to prove if he is or he isn't.
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He was fun and easy to root for when he was down here in Carolina. I'm glad he was able to follow Ron to Washington.
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Interesting read.
https://defector.com/fake-vaccine-cards-are-a-real-problem-for-the-nfl/
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Very excited, tomorrow I get to attend my second game ever. Last time I saw the Niners was about 5 years ago when they got destroyed in Pittsburgh and I still had a great time. Tomorrow they are in Philly and we have a much better shot at victory.
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Very excited, tomorrow I get to attend my second game ever. Last time I saw the Niners was about 5 years ago when they got destroyed in Pittsburgh and I still had a great time. Tomorrow they are in Philly and we have a much better shot at victory.
You wearing a Niners jersey? :lol
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Very excited, tomorrow I get to attend my second game ever. Last time I saw the Niners was about 5 years ago when they got destroyed in Pittsburgh and I still had a great time. Tomorrow they are in Philly and we have a much better shot at victory.
You wearing a Niners jersey? :lol
Yeah. Nick, that place is filled with animals. Seriously. Lol
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Y'all see that press conference where Belichick was asked about long snapping? He looked like a kid on Christmas morning by the end of his 9-minute answer. :lol :lol You can tell he just loves diving into the fundamentals of football. Just goes to show ya, ask him good questions and you will get good answers. Ask him stupid questions and he will troll you.
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Kev, on our local talk shows they moch BB. It's the only time he's honest to reporters. :lol
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Very excited, tomorrow I get to attend my second game ever. Last time I saw the Niners was about 5 years ago when they got destroyed in Pittsburgh and I still had a great time. Tomorrow they are in Philly and we have a much better shot at victory.
You wearing a Niners jersey? :lol
Yeah. Nick, that place is filled with animals. Seriously. Lol
Got my #85 Davis jersey on and I'm ready to roll down to the Linc. :D
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Good luck! Lol
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Y'all see that press conference where Belichick was asked about long snapping? He looked like a kid on Christmas morning by the end of his 9-minute answer. :lol :lol You can tell he just loves diving into the fundamentals of football. Just goes to show ya, ask him good questions and you will get good answers. Ask him stupid questions and he will troll you.
He's given treatises on all aspects of special teams play. He's done that with punt protection and punt coverage, as well. I think it's partly because he loves special teams (his first coaching gig was as Parcells' ST coach), but also because it chews up time he's supposed to be answering questions. He can avoid answering the same 3 questions about McCorkle for thirty minutes, or he can roll with something he enjoys talking about and kill the clock.
A friend finds Belichick to be highly overrated, so I'm occasionally digging up obscure examples of why he's so good. Since he took over the Patriots, his special teams have averaged 8th overall in DVOA, and they've finished in the top 5 eight times. Gotta love that level of attention to special teams.
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The idea that BB is overrated is crazy talk. Coaches need players to win. Give a really good/great coach a HOF QB and look at the results:
-Belichick had Brady for nearly 20 years, and made 9 Super Bowls, winning 6.
-Bill Walsh (whose record with Montana was dreadful) had Montana for 8 years, winning 3 Super Bowls.
-Andy Reid has had Mahomes now as a starter for 3 years, making 2 Super Bowls and winning 1.
-Mike Tomlin, for all of his playoff underachieving in the last decade, did make the Super Bowl twice in his first 4 years with Roethlisberger, winning once.
-Jimmy Johnson had Aikman for 5 years, won 2 Super Bowls.
-Pete Carroll got Russell Wilson and was in the Super Bowl two of the next three years, winning once.
And this is why I pump the brakes a little on the alleged greatness of Sean Payton. He freaking had Drew Brees for 15 seasons and made it to 1 Super Bowl. 1. And only two other times did they even make it to the NFCCG. Talk about massive underachieving.
Trust me, fans of the other 31 teams are praying that Mac Jones flops, because we all know if he is good, the Patriots will be in the mix again, and then the Belichick magic will kick in again. Heck, the first three Super Bowls he won with the Patriots were when Brady was still becoming a great QB (calm down, TB12 fans :P), so it's not like he needs all-world QB play to win it all.
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The Jets should take Corey Davis off the field for the next possession. Both Wilson interceptions happened with him throwing to Davis who was surrounded by defenders on both attempts. The fact that those are Wilson’s only two pass attempts so far paints a grim picture. He’s relying too much on his number one target, and defenses WILL take advantage of those tendencies. Bench Davis for the next series and force Wilson to have to look elsewhere for his passes. It also forces the rest of the receiving core to step up.
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Wilson needs to lose the douchey headband.
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Jets D looks very good.
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Jets D looks very good.
Yeah. He Pats' O-line is sucking. Mac is going to get killed. he was hurried for a lot of the last game too.
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Thankfully for us Pats fans we are playing against a gun ho rookie QB. Otherwise, they are outplaying us.
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Thankfully for us Pats fans we are playing against a gun ho rookie QB. Otherwise, they are outplaying us.
That third pick was awful.
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I'm assuming Damien Harris fumbled his way to the bench. White's looked great, but NE should be establishing their run game to backup McCorkle.
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I'm assuming Damien Harris fumbled his way to the bench. White's looked great, but NE should be establishing their run game to backup McCorkle.
It makes last week's Harris fumble look even worse,
SPEAK OF THE DEVIL!!!!! Touchdown!
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That was a great run for a TD by Harris.
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This is gonna be a LOOOOOOOOONG season…
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That was a great run for a TD by Harris.
That is some awful tackling. :lol
I love how Mac Jones (at least tries to) pushes the pile into the endzone.. :lol
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I saw that. Lol
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Watching the post game..
JC Jackson needs a towel! :lol
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Missed it. I'm watching Red Zone right now.
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This is gonna be a LOOOOOOOOONG season…
Yup.... Ugh.
Trying not to overreact, rookie quarterback is going to have some bumps and the second game of your career being against Belichick has got to be a tough one.
At least with the Jets being such a lost cause you're bound to spend most of your time every season following other teams and watching much better football games elsewhere. So, in a way, you never waste too much time rooting for your own team and instead just focus on the best of the league has to offer year after year lol
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The first two picks really weren't his fault. Hell, the second one went right through the receiver's hands. But the second two? WTF was he thinking?
Also, Falcons showing some stones.
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This is gonna be a LOOOOOOOOONG season…
Yup.... Ugh.
Trying not to overreact, rookie quarterback is going to have some bumps and the second game of your career being against Belichick has got to be a tough one.
At least with the Jets being such a lost cause you're bound to spend most of your time every season following other teams and watching much better football games elsewhere. So, in a way, you never waste too much time rooting for your own team and instead just focus on the best of the league has to offer year after year lol
Unfortunately, even though I do watch other games, I will always care way too much about the Jets.
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Conspiracy theorist: Jerry called in some favors today. Cowboys eke one out against the Chargers thanks to a series of, shall we say, fortunate calls.
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(https://i.imgur.com/FU6flBh.jpg)
That is very impressive.
But the real best performance from that game was the augmented reality panther in the stadium produced by the Panthers social media team.
:rollin
Now there's some expensive trips to the restroom, beers are usually 10 - 20 dollars a piece at those games. That guy is a true fan! :metal
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Broncos are now one of only two undefeated teams in the AFC. :corn
Ravens/Chiefs game was fun. It was great to see a coach have balls there at the end and go for the 1st down to win the game instead of punting. I could almost hear Tony Dungy off camera chanting, "No, no, punt the ball! Punt the ball!"
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Broncos start a bit of smoke and mirrors.
They are 2-0 against two 0-2 teams. And Bridgewater is playing out of his mind (accordingly, I think). Will he be able to sustain this level throughout the season? Against better teams?
Sucks to lose Chubb to the same injury that kept him out of the first game. But their defense has some depth now. Surtan looking not so first round worthy at times yesterday, but made up for it with the pic.
But, yes.....2-0 is 2-0, and I will certainly take it after suffering through these woeful seasons of late.
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Loved that Ravens/Chiefs game. The next three, four games are going to be fun to watch. I think the truth of some teams are going to be very evident.
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Broncos are now one of only two undefeated teams in the AFC. :corn
Ravens/Chiefs game was fun. It was great to see a coach have balls there at the end and go for the 1st down to win the game instead of punting. I could almost hear Tony Dungy off camera chanting, "No, no, punt the ball! Punt the ball!"
The Chiefs probably would have drove down the field to get in scoring position regardless of whether the Ravens punted or failed to convert the fourth down. Might as well take the option that gives you a chance to keep the ball (a muffed punt not withstanding).
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Broncos are now one of only two undefeated teams in the AFC. :corn
Ravens/Chiefs game was fun. It was great to see a coach have balls there at the end and go for the 1st down to win the game instead of punting. I could almost hear Tony Dungy off camera chanting, "No, no, punt the ball! Punt the ball!"
I love seeing Teddy clicking with a team. I always had faith in him and hope he continues to succeed there!
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Hey, the Panthers looked pretty good for the most part yesterday!
My cautious optimism remains cautious, for now, but that was fun.
And yes, the Chiefs/Ravens game was fantastic.
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Broncos should get to 3-0 next week with the Jets up next, but I fear this is fool's gold. We will see how they do once the competition gets tougher than bottom feeders.
As good as Mahomes is, the Chiefs are not winning a Super Bowl any time soon with a defense that shitty. Granted, they faced possibly the best two running teams in Weeks 1 and 2, but still, they look awful on D.
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As a Seahawks fan, I have to give the Titans credit. It looked like the Seahawks had control of this game, but the Titans hung in there and won it in overtime. They even had some bogus calls against them, but they played with a lot of heart and defied the odds. I was a little bummed the Seahawks lost, but I was happy for the Titans as they freakin earned it!
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As good as Mahomes is, the Chiefs are not winning a Super Bowl any time soon with a defense that shitty. Granted, they faced possibly the best two running teams in Weeks 1 and 2, but still, they look awful on D.
Derrick Henry might take issue with your rankings...
(But yes, I understand your point and it is totally valid- Chiefs had to face great running teams and the quality of their defense should be very much subject to questioning and scrutiny, but is hard to assess at this point)
As the resident Titans fan of the board, I can only continue to marvel at what Derrick Henry can do. Not only did he rush for more than 180 yards and 3 TDs, he also had 6 catches for 55 yards. And a monster blitz pickup block. If Tennessee (finally) manages to start using him even just a bit in the passing game and not take him out on every 3rd down... Well, I can only imagine (and drool at) the possibilities. Dude almost single-handedly carried the Titans on his back to victory after being down 15 at halftime and 14 in the 4th quarter. IN SEATTLE. (Prior to yesterday, Seahawks were 52-0 at home when leading by 15...) The dude does things I have never seen other football players do. Remarkable, and really fun to watch.
I really hate Baltimore (long, ugly history with Titans), and especially Jackson, but I also really don't like KC (Hill my most hated player in the game, and I also despise the Mahomes-hype-machine [I don't hate Mahomes]). So had no idea who to root for in that great game. Ultimately satisfied with result, as it leaves both teams 1-1 and in the same mix with the other AFC contenders.
So many great/close games this week... Colts/Rams, Cards/Vikings, Dallas/Chargers, Titans/Seahawks, Chiefs/Ravens... AFC is almost completely 1-1 across the board for the contenders. Going to be lots of parity like that this season, I think.
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As a Seahawks fan, I have to give the Titans credit. It looked like the Seahawks had control of this game, but the Titans hung in there and won it in overtime. They even had some bogus calls against them, but they played with a lot of heart and defied the odds. I was a little bummed the Seahawks lost, but I was happy for the Titans as they freakin earned it!
I know this isn't a fan board, but that is a classy post nonetheless.
Wilson is so good, and Seattle has a lot of weapons and a good coach. They'll be contending all year, I'm pretty sure.
[And yes, about those referees... :o 3 crazy calls against Titans and 1 really marginal taunting call vs Seahawks and a missed PI call (should have been PI against Titans). Not exactly a sterling day for NFL officiating...]
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As a Seahawks fan, I have to give the Titans credit. It looked like the Seahawks had control of this game, but the Titans hung in there and won it in overtime. They even had some bogus calls against them, but they played with a lot of heart and defied the odds. I was a little bummed the Seahawks lost, but I was happy for the Titans as they freakin earned it!
The call that Wilson was down at the 1-yard line instead of calling a safety was total BS.
I don't usually listen to Colin Cowturd, but I had a dentist appointment this morning, so I heard him on my way into the office. He asked, rhetorically, "what do the Seahawks do well that isn't linked to Russell Wilson?"
Broncos should get to 3-0 next week with the Jets up next, but I fear this is fool's gold. We will see how they do once the competition gets tougher than bottom feeders.
Yeah, but it's awfully nice starting 2-0. The stretch from weeks 4-7 will be telling. Baltimore at home, Pittsburgh on the road, the Raiders at home, and then Cleveland on the road on Thursday night. If they can split those four games, they then have three straight against the other three NFC East teams before the bye week and a final seven games that includes five division games.
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As a Seahawks fan, I have to give the Titans credit. It looked like the Seahawks had control of this game, but the Titans hung in there and won it in overtime. They even had some bogus calls against them, but they played with a lot of heart and defied the odds. I was a little bummed the Seahawks lost, but I was happy for the Titans as they freakin earned it!
The call that Wilson was down at the 1-yard line instead of calling a safety was total BS.
Man, that was a weird one. Presumably he was whistled in the grasp while he was spinning around and the ball was well outside the endzone. My guess is that whistles and in the grasp are non-reviewable, so it just became what it was. Sure seemed like a safety to me, but I can see how it could be ruled otherwise.
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As a Seahawks fan, I have to give the Titans credit. It looked like the Seahawks had control of this game, but the Titans hung in there and won it in overtime. They even had some bogus calls against them, but they played with a lot of heart and defied the odds. I was a little bummed the Seahawks lost, but I was happy for the Titans as they freakin earned it!
The call that Wilson was down at the 1-yard line instead of calling a safety was total BS.
Man, that was a weird one. Presumably he was whistled in the grasp while he was spinning around and the ball was well outside the endzone. My guess is that whistles and in the grasp are non-reviewable, so it just became what it was. Sure seemed like a safety to me, but I can see how it could be ruled otherwise.
Same thing happened in the Chargers game. Herbert was going back to pass and was in the grasp of Micah Parsons but was able to get the throw out while falling backwards in the air. (what an arm!) He was ruled down by whistle.
Parsons may come out as the best player in this draft. Lining up at DE at 6'3 245, with several pressures and getting home once. That's Lawrence Taylor potential! :metal
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Man, that was a weird one. Presumably he was whistled in the grasp while he was spinning around and the ball was well outside the endzone. My guess is that whistles and in the grasp are non-reviewable, so it just became what it was. Sure seemed like a safety to me, but I can see how it could be ruled otherwise.
They said exactly that on the broadcast. It seems like, by this standard, 90% of the crazy, pull-a-rabbit-out-of-your-hat plays that guys like Wilson, Mahomes and Jackson have made over the years would be sacks.
And yeah, the play in the Chargers game was similar, but Herbert had, by that point, run backwards about 20 yards, so I felt like that one was a bit more understandable.
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As good as Mahomes is, the Chiefs are not winning a Super Bowl any time soon with a defense that shitty. Granted, they faced possibly the best two running teams in Weeks 1 and 2, but still, they look awful on D.
Derrick Henry might take issue with your rankings...
Good call. I guess I think of the Titans as a 1-man wrecking crew in the running game, while the others are more of a committee (Chubb and Hunt in Cleveland; Lamar and whatever RB's are healthy in Baltimore). What Henry continues to do is just sick, though. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Can't decide if I like Aaron Rodgers or not.
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Well, you don't have to like him, but he is a future HoFer.
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Well, you don't have to like him, but he is a future HoFer.
Oh, no question. I meant it more in terms of preference, not rating his performance. That throw to the tight end - I think it was the third touchdown - was legit one of the five greatest throws I've ever seen in my life.
I just meant... is he Hollywood, is he gritty enough a player, the hair, the moodiness... in the post-game interview he was borderline dickish, even though he answered all the questions, you could tell he wanted to be anywhere other than there answering those questions... I just can't figure out what you're getting with an Aaron Rodgers. It matters not in the big picture, but still.
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Well, you don't have to like him, but he is a future HoFer.
Oh, no question. I meant it more in terms of preference, not rating his performance. That throw to the tight end - I think it was the third touchdown - was legit one of the five greatest throws I've ever seen in my life.
I just meant... is he Hollywood, is he gritty enough a player, the hair, the moodiness... in the post-game interview he was borderline dickish, even though he answered all the questions, you could tell he wanted to be anywhere other than there answering those questions... I just can't figure out what you're getting with an Aaron Rodgers. It matters not in the big picture, but still.
There’s still a lot of scuttlebutt that the off-season drama…that was supposedly resolved…wasn’t. So I don’t think he’s happy in GB at the moment.
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Aaron Rodgers is an asshole no doubt, but he’s also probably one of the twenty greatest QB’s to ever play. I guess I’ll make the list while I’m at it. Alphabetized since I don’t feel like actually trying to rank them right now past the top three of Brady, Manning, and Montana.
Troy Aikman
Terry Bradshaw
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
John Elway
Brett Favre
Dan Fouts
Otto Graham
Jim Kelly
Peyton Manning
Dan Marino
Joe Montana
Aaron Rodgers
Ben Roethlisberger
Bart Starr
Roger Staubach
Johnny Unitas
Norm Van Brocklin
Kurt Warner
Steve Young
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Aaron Rodgers is an asshole no doubt, but he’s also probably one of the twenty greatest QB’s to ever play. I guess I’ll make the list while I’m at it. Alphabetized since I don’t feel like actually trying to rank them right now past the top three of Brady, Manning, and Montana.
Troy Aikman
Terry Bradshaw
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
John Elway
Brett Favre
Dan Fouts
Otto Graham
Jim Kelly
Peyton Manning
Dan Marino
Joe Montana
Aaron Rodgers
Ben Roethlisberger
Bart Starr
Roger Staubach
Johnny Unitas
Norm Van Brocklin
Kurt Warner
Steve Young
That's a pretty damn good list, right there. Love the inclusion of Kurt Warner (I'm a big fan) and love the inclusion of Terry Bradshaw (it's sort of hip to downplay how good he was). I wish there was room for Kenny Stabler, but I don't know who you drop for him. Maybe Kelly?
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I love this idea.
https://bucswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/09/tom-brady-hall-of-fame-career-super-bowl-nfl/
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Rodgers has always come across as a bit of an asshole for as long as I remember.
I think last week was an anomaly. It could happen to any QB, but I think it being week 1 and against the backdrop of the offseason stuff amplified how bad it looked. Plus, he did not play a snap of preseason. Don't get me wrong, he's at the tail end of his career and over the last several years he's been prone to having a game or two like his week 1 performance per year. But as Peyton said last night, Rodgers knows how to play QB.
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I really hate Baltimore (long, ugly history with Titans), and especially Jackson, but I also really don't like KC (Hill my most hated player in the game, and I also despise the Mahomes-hype-machine [I don't hate Mahomes]). So had no idea who to root for in that great game. Ultimately satisfied with result, as it leaves both teams 1-1 and in the same mix with the other AFC contenders.
Hopefully, it is a respectful hate. Titans-Ravens eventually reminded me of the NFC Central Black n Blue division games I grew up with in the 60s/70s. Those 12-8 and 14-11 snot knockers were classic, as have been the four playoff games between the two former AFC Central rivals. I'm glad they are no longer in the same division, yet having them on the schedule two times a year would have provided more hype than the weeks we get either Cleveland or Cincinnati.
Moving on.....prime time Games of the Year don’t count for more than one victory, but Sunday night's game was as entertaining as last year’s Ravens-Browns MNF game. It certainly lived up to the hype.
The Ravens are decimated, and I’m watching with very low expectations and emotion this year (decades of the Lions trained me well). The Chiefs led 35-24 with the ball near midfield late in the 3rd, and it all changes with that interception. Loved the twisting jump pass TD, hated Lamar’s flip, then the unexpected fumble and correct 4 and 1 call and conversion.
I’ll be surprised if Baltimore wins eight games. And if KC allows teams to have a +12 time of possession, 36 points and almost 500 yards against a team playing their 4th, 5th, and 6th best running backs, without two of their top WRs, and back ups galore on the OL, they are in big trouble.
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Aaron Rodgers is an asshole no doubt, but he’s also probably one of the twenty greatest QB’s to ever play. I guess I’ll make the list while I’m at it. Alphabetized since I don’t feel like actually trying to rank them right now past the top three of Brady, Manning, and Montana.
Troy Aikman
Terry Bradshaw
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
John Elway
Brett Favre
Dan Fouts
Otto Graham
Jim Kelly
Peyton Manning
Dan Marino
Joe Montana
Aaron Rodgers
Ben Roethlisberger
Bart Starr
Roger Staubach
Johnny Unitas
Norm Van Brocklin
Kurt Warner
Steve Young
That's a pretty damn good list, right there. Love the inclusion of Kurt Warner (I'm a big fan) and love the inclusion of Terry Bradshaw (it's sort of hip to downplay how good he was). I wish there was room for Kenny Stabler, but I don't know who you drop for him. Maybe Kelly?
Kurt Warner is one of my favorites ever. His story is rivaled only by Alex Smith’s as far as interesting careers go, and obviously Warner was a better player.
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Aaron Rodgers is an asshole no doubt, but he’s also probably one of the twenty greatest QB’s to ever play. I guess I’ll make the list while I’m at it. Alphabetized since I don’t feel like actually trying to rank them right now past the top three of Brady, Manning, and Montana.
Troy Aikman
Terry Bradshaw
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
John Elway
Brett Favre
Dan Fouts
Otto Graham
Jim Kelly
Peyton Manning
Dan Marino
Joe Montana
Aaron Rodgers
Ben Roethlisberger
Bart Starr
Roger Staubach
Johnny Unitas
Norm Van Brocklin
Kurt Warner
Steve Young
Here's a two-year old top 25 list: https://www.nfl.com/news/top-25-quarterbacks-of-all-time-patriots-tom-brady-leads-list-0ap3000001035041
Everyone on your list was included, except, somehow, Fouts. Those on the list that you didn't have (since it's a 20% larger list than you did) are Len Dawson (24), Fran Tarkenton (23), Warren Moon (22), Russell Wilson (18), Sid Luckman (16), and Sammy Baugh (11). Leaving off Fouts and including Wilson seems crazy to me, but....
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I wouldn't have Roethlisberger on that list, but looks pretty solid otherwise.
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Warren Moon was excellent in his day. Look at his stats. That' reminds me of Jim Kelly's stats playing for the USFL. Those 2 years were nuts then what he did in Buffalo. I still can't believe they didn't win a SB. Though their TD to Interception ratio wasn't as good as I remember.
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Sammy Baugh has to make any list. The man pretty much invented the position.
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Sammy Baugh has to make any list. The man pretty much invented the position.
Indeed.
And while I have the utmost respect for Russell Wilson, I don't think he needs to be on such a list yet.
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I wouldn't have Roethlisberger on that list, but looks pretty solid otherwise.
That’s a funny opinion not gonna lie. Took his team to 3 SBs, 5th most wins and win%, 4th in comebacks, will have 6th most yards after passing Marino this year, team never missed the playoffs by more than a game. That’s a combo that very few can beat.
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I wouldn't have Roethlisberger on that list, but looks pretty solid otherwise.
That’s a funny opinion not gonna lie. Took his team to 3 SBs, 5th most wins and win%, 4th in comebacks, will have 6th most yards after passing Marino this year, team never missed the playoffs by more than a game. That’s a combo that very few can beat.
Never been an MVP, never even received an MVP vote, never been All-Pro (first or second team). Can we say that about any other player on that top 20 list that was posted?
And this is just opinion, but he has never been a top tier QB. At his best, he was never better than the 5th to 7th best QB in the league, and it's hard to put someone in the top 20 ever when they were never one of the absolute best at any point in their career. Now, it's not his fault that he played at the same time as Brady, Manning, Brees and Rodgers (four of the best ever), but it is what it is.
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I wouldn't have Roethlisberger on that list, but looks pretty solid otherwise.
That’s a funny opinion not gonna lie. Took his team to 3 SBs, 5th most wins and win%, 4th in comebacks, will have 6th most yards after passing Marino this year, team never missed the playoffs by more than a game. That’s a combo that very few can beat.
Never been an MVP, never even received an MVP vote, never been All-Pro (first or second team). Can we say that about any other player on that top 20 list that was posted?
And this is just opinion, but he has never been a top tier QB. At his best, he was never better than the 5th to 7th best QB in the league, and it's hard to put someone in the top 20 ever when they were never one of the absolute best at any point in their career. Now, it's not his fault that he played at the same time as Brady, Manning, Brees and Rodgers (four of the best ever), but it is what it is.
Wins count more for QB’s than any other position, which is why neither Brees or Marino have ever been considered the GOAT despite having held almost every passing record during their careers. Big Ben has spent his career playing with the likes of Brady, Manning, Rodgers, and Brees. It’s hard to get past those four, but he has had individual success that was overshadowed by other QB’s, and he has team success that was overshadowed by the New England dynasty. He’s had an incredible career, and the fact is that some people are doubting his greatness because of the era he played in with some of the all time great QB’s, but his success speaks for itself, and he’s arguably the most underrated QB to ever play the game. I don’t even like the guy (I hate the Steelers), but his legacy is undeniable to me.
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I wouldn't have Roethlisberger on that list, but looks pretty solid otherwise.
That’s a funny opinion not gonna lie. Took his team to 3 SBs, 5th most wins and win%, 4th in comebacks, will have 6th most yards after passing Marino this year, team never missed the playoffs by more than a game. That’s a combo that very few can beat.
Never been an MVP, never even received an MVP vote, never been All-Pro (first or second team). Can we say that about any other player on that top 20 list that was posted?
And this is just opinion, but he has never been a top tier QB. At his best, he was never better than the 5th to 7th best QB in the league, and it's hard to put someone in the top 20 ever when they were never one of the absolute best at any point in their career. Now, it's not his fault that he played at the same time as Brady, Manning, Brees and Rodgers (four of the best ever), but it is what it is.
But that's the hole in your argument right there.
Ben is a disrespected player. I'd take Ben in a big game over Brees and Rodgers. Brees is the most overrated QB of this generation. Up until his last two seasons, the Saints averaged a 9-7 record in the seasons that he played with Payton.
Passing stats are overrated anyway. What about the throws that aren't thrown? What about making the wise decision to check out of a passing play at the line of scrimmage? What about the fact that another guy has to catch the ball?
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I wouldn't have Roethlisberger on that list, but looks pretty solid otherwise.
That’s a funny opinion not gonna lie. Took his team to 3 SBs, 5th most wins and win%, 4th in comebacks, will have 6th most yards after passing Marino this year, team never missed the playoffs by more than a game. That’s a combo that very few can beat.
Never been an MVP, never even received an MVP vote, never been All-Pro (first or second team). Can we say that about any other player on that top 20 list that was posted?
And this is just opinion, but he has never been a top tier QB. At his best, he was never better than the 5th to 7th best QB in the league, and it's hard to put someone in the top 20 ever when they were never one of the absolute best at any point in their career. Now, it's not his fault that he played at the same time as Brady, Manning, Brees and Rodgers (four of the best ever), but it is what it is.
Troy Aikman is close. He was never an All Pro or MVP and only received three MVP votes in 1993 (a year in which nine different players received votes). Not exactly a significant distinction. And Roethlisberger was unanimous offensive rookie of the year and a 7x Pro Bowler (Aikman was 6x). The biggest difference between the two was that Aikman had the benefit of playing with a HOF running back and wide receiver (as well as several offensive lineman who probably should be in the HOF). Aikman was never the best offensive player on his own team.
Ben is a disrespected player. I'd take Ben in a big game over Brees and Rodgers. Brees is the most overrated QB of this generation. Up until his last two seasons, the Saints averaged a 9-7 record in the seasons that he played with Payton.
I think I agree with this. I think Rodgers is quite overrated, and I don't think anyone disagrees that Brees was a beneficiary of the system in which he played.
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Wins count more for QB’s than any other position, which is why neither Brees or Marino have ever been considered the GOAT despite having held almost every passing record during their careers. Big Ben has spent his career playing with the likes of Brady, Manning, Rodgers, and Brees. It’s hard to get past those four, but he has had individual success that was overshadowed by other QB’s, and he has team success that was overshadowed by the New England dynasty. He’s had an incredible career, and the fact is that some people are doubting his greatness because of the era he played in with some of the all time great QB’s, but his success speaks for itself, and he’s arguably the most underrated QB to ever play the game. I don’t even like the guy (I hate the Steelers), but his legacy is undeniable to me.
For the record, I am not trying to shit on his legacy or deny his greatness. He is a HOF QB for sure. All I did was push back on him being a top 20 QB of ALL-TIME. I do think that is an unreasonable take by any stretch of the imagination.
Towards that end, the Athletic recently did their top 100 players ever list and had 19 QBs on there. Big Ben was not one of them, so let's not act like he is a no-brainer in that regard, cool? :)
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Ben is a disrespected player. I'd take Ben in a big game over Brees and Rodgers. Brees is the most overrated QB of this generation. Up until his last two seasons, the Saints averaged a 9-7 record in the seasons that he played with Payton.
Passing stats are overrated anyway. What about the throws that aren't thrown? What about making the wise decision to check out of a passing play at the line of scrimmage? What about the fact that another guy has to catch the ball?
The Saints had trash more often than not on defense during the Payton/Brees era. From 2006-2020, the Saints ranked 23rd or worse in total D eight of those 15 seasons. The Saints never finished worse than 10-6 in the seasons in which they had a D better than that, so in other words give Brees just a defense slightly subpar (at worst) and you were guaranteed 10 wins.
Meanwhile, Ben has had a top 10 D in 13 of his 17 seasons.
I know you hate stats :P, but I am pretty sure having a good defense helps when it comes to consistently winning games.
As for big games, if we can tweak that to end of games, I can think of about 50 QBs I'd take over Rodgers. He is one of the best ever, but he is not the guy you want with the ball down 5 with two minutes to go.
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Troy Aikman is close. He was never an All Pro or MVP and only received three MVP votes in 1993 (a year in which nine different players received votes). Not exactly a significant distinction. And Roethlisberger was unanimous offensive rookie of the year and a 7x Pro Bowler (Aikman was 6x). The biggest difference between the two was that Aikman had the benefit of playing with a HOF running back and wide receiver (as well as several offensive lineman who probably should be in the HOF). Aikman was never the best offensive player on his own team.
I wouldn't put Aikman in the top 20 either. I'd put Ben ahead of him, in fact. Aikman actually had a very short run where he was really good/great.
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The Saints had trash more often than not on defense during the Payton/Brees era. From 2006-2020, the Saints ranked 23rd or worse in total D eight of those 15 seasons. The Saints never finished worse than 10-6 in the seasons in which they had a D better than that, so in other words give Brees just a defense slightly subpar (at worst) and you were guaranteed 10 wins.
I know you hate stats :P, but I am pretty sure having a good defense helps when it comes to consistently winning games.
Solidifies my point about Payton, who I feel is even more overrated than Brees.
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The Saints had trash more often than not on defense during the Payton/Brees era. From 2006-2020, the Saints ranked 23rd or worse in total D eight of those 15 seasons. The Saints never finished worse than 10-6 in the seasons in which they had a D better than that, so in other words give Brees just a defense slightly subpar (at worst) and you were guaranteed 10 wins.
I know you hate stats :P, but I am pretty sure having a good defense helps when it comes to consistently winning games.
Solidifies my point about Payton, who I feel is even more overrated than Brees.
I am with ya on that one. The idea of Payton being a great head coach went out the window for me when they lost that NFCCG to the Rams. Yeah, the non-call was bad, but he unraveled and his team followed right behind him. That is not what a great coach does.
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I see Brady's fake doctor is now criticizing Belichick. :lol :lol
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I see Brady's fake doctor is now criticizing Belichick. :lol :lol
Your takes need a fake doctor.
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I see Brady's fake doctor is now criticizing Belichick. :lol :lol
As is his [fake?] dad.
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I see Brady's fake doctor is now criticizing Belichick. :lol :lol
Their doing their dance. It's OK. The goodies deserves some of it.
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I see Brady's fake doctor is now criticizing Belichick. :lol :lol
Their doing their dance. It's OK. The goodies deserves some of it.
(https://i.imgflip.com/5o28ex.jpg)
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Hoodie. Lol
New phone changes everything. I need to not hit send right away but you know me.....
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Hoodie. Lol
New phone changes everything. I need to not hit send right away but you know me.....
How is this any different than the old phone?? :lol
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I see Brady's fake doctor is now criticizing Belichick. :lol :lol
Their doing their dance. It's OK. The goodies deserves some of it.
Nah, it's petty. They are obviously doing this with TB12's blessing, and it is petty. Those clowns (his dad and the fake doctor) must be buying the BS that Brady didn't need Belichick to win all of those Super Bowls. You would think they'd have a little more appreciation for the guy who coached him to six rings, but I guess not. I get Tom's frustration with how he was treated at times, but to handle it this way is just petty.
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I see Brady's fake doctor is now criticizing Belichick. :lol :lol
Their doing their dance. It's OK. The goodies deserves some of it.
Nah, it's petty. They are obviously doing this with TB12's blessing, and it is petty. Those clowns (his dad and the fake doctor) must be buying the BS that Brady didn't need Belichick to win all of those Super Bowls. You would think they'd have a little more appreciation for the guy who coached him to six rings, but I guess not. I get Tom's frustration with how he was treated at times, but to handle it this way is just petty.
Absolutely. He could absolutely be telling his crew to take the high road. Without Belichick it's extremely unlikely he acquires the celebrity that allows for this sort of douchebaggery. I'm glad the guy's having fun, he's certainly earned it, but I also appreciate a bit of class here and there, and he's definitely coming up short in that area.
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We are know that. Of course it's petty. Wait for Wichershsm's (sp?) New book. From what local sports talk says, Brady pressured other offensive players to go to TB12 for injuries instead of the Pats staff. It caused a riff.
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I think the obvious conclusion is that Tom Brady is a terrible person, and for the good of both humanity and the league, Roger Goodell should ban him from the league for life.
:P :P :P
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Hoodie. Lol
New phone changes everything. I need to not hit send right away but you know me.....
How is this any different than the old phone?? :lol
:tup. ;D
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I know that the Panthers' 3-0 start should be taken with a grain of salt considering who we've played, but I was glad for the win and to see Sam Darnold continue to play mostly well (certainly better than with the Jets, although I suspect that had more to do with the Jets than with Darnold).
McCaffrey going out with a strained hamstring sucked. Hopefully he won't miss too much time.
Jaycee Horn going out with a broken foot is terrible. He was playing well for us.
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We are know that. Of course it's petty. Wait for Wichershsm's (sp?) New book. From what local sports talk says, Brady pressured other offensive players to go to TB12 for injuries instead of the Pats staff. It caused a riff.
And rightly so. I also recall a different problem with his knee after he blew out his ACL. If memory serves, it took longer than usual for him to return because the doctor he insisted on using, rather than the team doctor, mucked up the operation causing, among other things, a nasty infection.
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I'm not sure if all comes up but a lot will in the book. Both sides have a lot of blame to own.
If you look at Bill now he bends a bit for the vets when he should have done that at least for Brady but sometimes a marriage becomes sour.
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We are know that. Of course it's petty. Wait for Wichershsm's (sp?) New book. From what local sports talk says, Brady pressured other offensive players to go to TB12 for injuries instead of the Pats staff. It caused a riff.
Are you sure? I don't think he even plays an instrument.
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The NFL is extending the wild-card weekend to now feature two games on Saturday, three on Sunday and one on Monday (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32269232/nfl-play-one-six-wild-card-games-monday-night)
I guess this was inevitable.
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Did anybody even know there was a game last night? That's twice that I plain forgot that football was even happening.
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Did anybody even know there was a game last night? That's twice that I plain forgot that football was even happening.
I did.
This is the modern NFL. There's a game every Thursday night, isn't there?
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I think we are over saturated with NFL and I think MNF has run its course and needs to be eliminated. Maybe we could replace it with a top College game. I prefer TNF because it reminds me we are closer to the weekend.
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The NFL is extending the wild-card weekend to now feature two games on Saturday, three on Sunday and one on Monday (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32269232/nfl-play-one-six-wild-card-games-monday-night)
I guess this was inevitable.
Inevitable and stupid. I realize that, especially late in the season when they have a few games on Saturday, it's possible for a team to have to play on Monday and then on Saturday, and obviously some teams have to play on Thursday after playing on Sunday, but this is the playoffs. They shouldn't put teams in the position of having to play playoff games on short rest -- especially now that they're playing a 17-game season.
Did anybody even know there was a game last night? That's twice that I plain forgot that football was even happening.
I regularly forget about the Thursday night games. I just don't have my head in the mindset of watching football on Thursday evenings. The sports talk radio station I usually listen to on my drive home plays the Thursday night games most weeks, but I rarely will listen and, by the time I get home, I forget the game is on (unless it's the Broncos). Plus, at this time of year, I tend to be more focused on baseball.
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The NFL is extending the wild-card weekend to now feature two games on Saturday, three on Sunday and one on Monday (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32269232/nfl-play-one-six-wild-card-games-monday-night)
I guess this was inevitable.
Inevitable and stupid. I realize that, especially late in the season when they have a few games on Saturday, it's possible for a team to have to play on Monday and then on Saturday, and obviously some teams have to play on Thursday after playing on Sunday, but this is the playoffs. They shouldn't put teams in the position of having to play playoff games on short rest -- especially now that they're playing a 17-game season.
Oh, I agree 100%.
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We are know that. Of course it's petty. Wait for Wichershsm's (sp?) New book. From what local sports talk says, Brady pressured other offensive players to go to TB12 for injuries instead of the Pats staff. It caused a riff.
Are you sure? I don't think he even plays an instrument.
Down and dirty. Lol
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Monday night playoff game, to me, seems... asinine. I don't want to watch a Monday night playoff game. I don't want my team to play in a Monday night playoff game. I'm sure the players/coaches don't want a Monday night playoff game. This benefits no one, except TV (and therefore the NFL). All playoff games should be Sat and Sun. Period.
But what I really came to post is this:
2021 Leaders in Rushing Yards (after 2 games):
1. Derrick Henry - 240
2. Derrick Henry AFTER CONTACT - 201
3. Joe Mixon - 196
And in case anyone thinks that's a 2-game anomaly...
2019 and 2020 Combined Rushing Yards:
1. Derrick Henry - 3567 (4052 including playoffs)
2. Derrick Henry AFTER CONTACT - 3130
3. Dalvin Cook - 2692
4. Nick Chubb - 2561
5. Ezekiel Elliott - 2336
That is INSANE. Over 2+ years, Henry has run for (far) more yards with guys hanging on him than any other back has run in total (including all yards those backs had with NO guys on them). Mind-boggling. Especially when you consider that most teams are totally stacking the box to try and stop him.
[Stats per Pro Football Focus]
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I was glad for the win and to see Sam Darnold continue to play mostly well (certainly better than with the Jets, although I suspect that had more to do with the Jets than with Darnold).
Darnald had an eternity to get rid of the ball last night. So you may be right, as long as that offensive line can keep protecting him that well, you might be okay. Now he did get stripped twice, but nobody seems to care about because it did not result in a turnover either time.
His first three games have been pretty decent, but also keep in mind that we saw him play at that level or higher even as a Jet, where he was the best passer in the league for strings of three to four games in his initial two seasons. The problem is the consistency, and there was a lot of shaky decision making and missed reads I saw last night that made me think he's going to stall have some serious setbacks this year.
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https://www.wcnc.com/article/sports/nfl/panthers/christian-mccaffrey-expected-to-miss-a-few-weeks-with-hamstring-injury/275-84192145-48a0-4241-b9e2-683766e02f82
Not good for Carolina.
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That is an awful decision to have a playoff game on a Monday night as the winner of that game will have a lot less time to prep for the next game, but the NFL only cares about dollars, not fairness, so this is not surprising.
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Did anybody even know there was a game last night? That's twice that I plain forgot that football was even happening.
I only remember because 1) I listen to sports talk radio at work at some point on any given weekday and it will inevitably get a mention, and 2) I am vigilant about not missing any picks in the Pick 'em.
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Monday night playoff game, to me, seems... asinine. I don't want to watch a Monday night playoff game. I don't want my team to play in a Monday night playoff game. I'm sure the players/coaches don't want a Monday night playoff game. This benefits no one, except TV (and therefore the NFL). All playoff games should be Sat and Sun. Period.
But what I really came to post is this:
2021 Leaders in Rushing Yards (after 2 games):
1. Derrick Henry - 240
2. Derrick Henry AFTER CONTACT - 201
3. Joe Mixon - 196
And in case anyone thinks that's a 2-game anomaly...
2019 and 2020 Combined Rushing Yards:
1. Derrick Henry - 3567 (4052 including playoffs)
2. Derrick Henry AFTER CONTACT - 3130
3. Dalvin Cook - 2692
4. Nick Chubb - 2561
5. Ezekiel Elliott - 2336
That is INSANE. Over 2+ years, Henry has run for (far) more yards with guys hanging on him than any other back has run in total (including all yards those backs had with NO guys on them). Mind-boggling. Especially when you consider that most teams are totally stacking the box to try and stop him.
[Stats per Pro Football Focus]
That really is pretty insane.
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I was actually hoping that Derrick Henry would have a down year this season. Not because I dislike him, as I absolutely love watching a running back dominate the league like he’s currently doing. It’s because I don’t want to see his career cut short from wear and tear due to the Titans relying on him too much. Running backs already have short careers as it is, and Tennessee are playing a dangerous game with putting the entire team on his shoulders. Maybe he’ll prove to be a exception to that rule as well, but I want to see as much of Henry as possible.
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Any Pats people know how Rhamondre Stevenson wound up in Bill's doghouse? He hasn't been active, and frankly they could really use him. They've given up on running the ball pretty early here, and contrasting styles has been one of the strengths of their run game. Their offense is really way too limited right now.
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The fumble in week 1. Benched him since then.
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It's probably not so much the fumble against Miami, but maybe Bill's not happy with the guy's attitude in practice. No one has said anything. A lot of people thought he might play. Seeing James White getting carted off the field won't help.
Their O-line has been getting blown up. They're making Mac look like a rookie. Can't even block out on a damn punt.
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Tim, I haven't read that. Was there a story on that?
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Tim, I haven't read that. Was there a story on that?
No just me trying to figure it out. To me, he just hasn't played his way back into the lineup. Of course, I'm wrong and you're right because they would've made sure to plant that in the media.
But no, it's just me spitballing.
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Sometimes BB picks a rookie to make a statement. Couldn't do it to Harris because he's their workhorse so....
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Sometimes BB picks a rookie to make a statement. Couldn't do it to Harris because he's their workhorse so....
Right. He basically makes some kid an example.
Zo predicted a 27-24 Pats win during the pregame. :rollin
I almost drove off the road.
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Patriots play calling sucks ass right now. Don't see that very often. That 3rd and 1 run on their last possession of the half was painful to watch. That's the sort of ugly-ass play you'd expect from the Cowboys. They're doing a terrible job of mixing runs and passes, on the few occasions they even try to run. Weak all the way around.
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Kid danced instead of running straight and hard. You can't pause in the backfield. When you do the D always swarms.
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Mac throws a TD pass! For the Saints!
Catch the damn ball.
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See how this works, Tim? You call Sean Payton overrated, and then the Saints roll in to town and lay the smackdown on the Hoodie.
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The only thing Sean Payton had to do today was tell the bus driver how to get to Foxboro.
Fucking Johnnu Smith.
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Yeah, his hand must have bacon grease on them today.
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Should be fun watching them host the Bucs next week, eh? ;)
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Oof. 142 - 3. Tompa.
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Nah, NE will be competitive. NE didn't play well, but NO was more lucky than good in this one.
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Chiefs lose late after Mahomes throws an atrocious pick in the last two minutes of a tie game. :corn
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That Hail Mary from Mahomes was pretty blatant PI. The Charger defender was driving into the receiver and not looking back. Heck, the ball hit him in the back while he was driving into the receiver. Just floored me when I saw the replay
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That Hail Mary from Mahomes was pretty blatant PI. The Charger defender was driving into the receiver and not looking back. Heck, the ball hit him in the back while he was driving into the receiver. Just floored me when I saw the replay
True, but the edge rusher for the Chargers was getting held like you wouldn't believe by the Chiefs RT, so how about we call it a wash?
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Nah, NE will be competitive. NE didn't play well, but NO was more lucky than good in this one.
They'll play much better next week but I think Tampa is that much better so it's still not close.
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Wow. :lol
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32280659/sources-dallas-cowboys-lael-collins-attempted-bribe-nfl-drug-test-collector
Dude skips multiple tests, and then attempts to bribe the tester, all for something that wouldn't have mattered anyway. Then appeals the two game suspension, and the arbiter raises it to five games. This guy may be too dumb to live.
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Wow. :lol
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32280659/sources-dallas-cowboys-lael-collins-attempted-bribe-nfl-drug-test-collector
Dude skips multiple tests, and then attempts to bribe the tester, all for something that wouldn't have mattered anyway. Then appeals the two game suspension, and the arbiter raises it to five games. This guy may be too dumb to live.
Jerry will probably give him an extension before the calendar hits 2022.
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Justin Tucker just kicked his way into the Hall of Fame. Good lord what an amazing kicker he is.
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The Browns D-Line looked god-tier against the Bears today. 9 sacks, half of those by Myles Garrett. I felt bad for Justin Fields, it didn’t look like he had a chance today.
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Justin Tucker just kicked his way into the Hall of Fame. Good lord what an amazing kicker he is.
Hell, he's already there. I was 12 when Tom Dempsey hit the 63 yarder to beat...well, who else, but the Lions.
This was as bad of a 'pro' game as I have ever watched, and for decades I had the twice yearly Lions-Bucs games. Flags, bad officiating, wide open dropped passes, the Lions having illegal motion 2x when trying to draw the Ravens offsides on 4th downs, and then...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJNLVT2luxg
Holy Mother Tucker !!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o
EDIT: for fun, a fan shot video of when Tucker kicked a 61 yarder (his sixth of the game) the last time the Ravens were in Detroit in 2013.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgCvz5mHDxc
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Most accurate kicker in NFL history and now has the longest field goal in NFL history. And if he has a long career he should take the points record from Vinatieri, further cementing him as the greatest kicker of all time.
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The Ravens should be 0-3. They’ve gotten some incredible bounces and breaks in their two wins.
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And for the second time today I’ve seen a defender tackle receiver while not looking back at the ball and not get called for pass interference. What is going on today?
Referring to Russell Wilson’s fourth and 12 attempt into the end zone. I understand the Seahawks were totally outplayed in the second half, but at least it would’ve given us some hope.
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Rams are legit. Now it's just a matter of staying healthy and whether playing in that brutal division will make it possible for them to win enough games to secure home field.
Like the Chiefs, the Bucs D is a mess right now.
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Matthew Stafford is a legitimate MVP candidate right now.
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I get the sense that Matt LaFleur will be afraid all season of punting or kicking a FG on 4th and short for fear of Rodgers disagreeing with the decision and pouting the rest of the game, or month, or season. And let's face it, Rodgers would pout. He is just that much of a drama queen.
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Justin Tucker just kicked his way into the Hall of Fame. Good lord what an amazing kicker he is.
Hell, he's already there.
Yup. Unfortunately, it's tainted by the delay of game penalty that should have been called on the previous play. It was beyond blatant. And watching Bill Cowher try to defend the non-call -- even when Gene Steratore looked at it and said the penalty absolutely should have been called -- was just sad. But good on Tucker.
Random thought: On a long kick like that, could the defensive team put it's tallest guy who can jump in the end zone and have him try and jump to block the kick before it gets to the crossbar? Tucker's kick doinked on the crossbar, so a guy theoretically could have timed a jump to prevent the ball from going over (similar to an outfielder robbing a homer). Would that be within the rules?
And for the second time today I’ve seen a defender tackle receiver while not looking back at the ball and not get called for pass interference. What is going on today?
It's the single worst part of watching football for me. Every time there's an incomplete pass, the receiver starts mimicking the throwing of a flag. Flags thrown constantly for incidental contact (and the opposite like you noted). Defensive backs who mug receivers and act like they've been unjustly accused when the flag flies.
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Random thought: On a long kick like that, could the defensive team put it's tallest guy who can jump in the end zone and have him try and jump to block the kick before it gets to the crossbar? Tucker's kick doinked on the crossbar, so a guy theoretically could have timed a jump to prevent the ball from going over (similar to an outfielder robbing a homer). Would that be within the rules?
There isn't any goaltending. I'm pretty sure it'd be within the rules. I think the deal is that it would be so insanely difficult to do that nobody's ever bothered to try. The cross bar is only 10' off the ground, so a lanky DB could probably get high enough to block it, but the problem is that the ball is dropping in from a very steep angle. You'd have to get a lot higher than that 10', and you'd need perfect timing to get it before it crossed over the bar. Looking at Tucker's kick it dropped pert near straight down on the bar. I don't think anybody is going to block that thing on the back end.
Also, I suppose there's a decent chance that in trying to block it you tip it over.
That said, I'm not sure why they didn't have anybody back their to return Tucker's kick if it came up short. JAX returned a short FG for a TD today.
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Tucker improved to 16-for-16 in his NFL career on field goals in the final minute of regulation
Did not know that. Pretty impressive.
Didn't watch any games today but by the looks of it, there were lots of close games that went down to the wire. I know I was sweating a few games in the Pick 'Em and the Survivor.
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Tucker improved to 16-for-16 in his NFL career on field goals in the final minute of regulation
Did not know that. Pretty impressive.
Didn't watch any games today but by the looks of it, there were lots of close games that went down to the wire. I know I was sweating a few games in the Pick 'Em and the Survivor.
Yeah, Justin Tucker has quietly become the GOAT while nobody was paying attention. I Honestly didn't notice until about 3 weeks ago. Until today he's just never called attention to himself, but the dude's simply spent 8 years being incredibly accurate and consistent.
What he doesn't have is a super bowl winning kick, and Vinetieri has two. Plus the whole tuck rule game. I'm not sure that's really a knock against him, though, in as much as the Ravens. Over 90% FGA, and he's only missed 4 PATs in his career.
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And watching Bill Cowher try to defend the non-call -- even when Gene Steratore looked at it and said the penalty absolutely should have been called -- was just sad.
I was trying to follow that whole conversation but was preoccupied getting my kid's birthday party ready*.
Just saw this tweet from Steratore. I have always thought there were times when the ball was snapped when there was 0 showing on the play clock, and wondered why that was.
Delay of Game is officiated by the Back Judge, who's responsible for watching the in-stadium play clock & the snap. There's a small, <1 second delay due to the mechanic.
* I had no idea who that was. I don't watch those pre/post game shows, and I've never seen him without his ref cap on before.
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I hate defending Cowher…but he was right. Only he’s explaining it TERRIBLY.
Short version is that the back judge is THE official timekeeper on this and the mechanical clock is not in *absolutely* perfect sync with his timer. There can be up to a full second difference. It seems dumb, and it kinda is, but at the end of the day, the back judge’s timer is THE final authority, and if the stadium clock is off…too bad.
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And for the second time today I’ve seen a defender tackle receiver while not looking back at the ball and not get called for pass interference. What is going on today?
It's the single worst part of watching football for me. Every time there's an incomplete pass, the receiver starts mimicking the throwing of a flag. Flags thrown constantly for incidental contact (and the opposite like you noted). Defensive backs who mug receivers and act like they've been unjustly accused when the flag flies.
'9ers game was horribly officiated all around, and a ton of them were PI calls (I think SF finished the game with 5 or 6 against them). But it was on both sides of the ball, both called penalties that shouldn't have been, and missed calls. I think both teams were shaking their heads at different points in the game wondering what was going on.
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Random thought: On a long kick like that, could the defensive team put it's tallest guy who can jump in the end zone and have him try and jump to block the kick before it gets to the crossbar? Tucker's kick doinked on the crossbar, so a guy theoretically could have timed a jump to prevent the ball from going over (similar to an outfielder robbing a homer). Would that be within the rules?
There isn't any goaltending. I'm pretty sure it'd be within the rules. I think the deal is that it would be so insanely difficult to do that nobody's ever bothered to try. The cross bar is only 10' off the ground, so a lanky DB could probably get high enough to block it, but the problem is that the ball is dropping in from a very steep angle. You'd have to get a lot higher than that 10', and you'd need perfect timing to get it before it crossed over the bar. Looking at Tucker's kick it dropped pert near straight down on the bar. I don't think anybody is going to block that thing on the back end.
Also, I suppose there's a decent chance that in trying to block it you tip it over.
That said, I'm not sure why they didn't have anybody back their to return Tucker's kick if it came up short. JAX returned a short FG for a TD today.
This “goaltending” idea intrigues me. We’ve seen numerous players dunk the ball over the crossbar after td’s back in the day, so we know it’s possible to swat a ball away. I want someone to attempt it.
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Random thought: On a long kick like that, could the defensive team put it's tallest guy who can jump in the end zone and have him try and jump to block the kick before it gets to the crossbar? Tucker's kick doinked on the crossbar, so a guy theoretically could have timed a jump to prevent the ball from going over (similar to an outfielder robbing a homer). Would that be within the rules?
There isn't any goaltending. I'm pretty sure it'd be within the rules. I think the deal is that it would be so insanely difficult to do that nobody's ever bothered to try. The cross bar is only 10' off the ground, so a lanky DB could probably get high enough to block it, but the problem is that the ball is dropping in from a very steep angle. You'd have to get a lot higher than that 10', and you'd need perfect timing to get it before it crossed over the bar. Looking at Tucker's kick it dropped pert near straight down on the bar. I don't think anybody is going to block that thing on the back end.
Also, I suppose there's a decent chance that in trying to block it you tip it over.
That said, I'm not sure why they didn't have anybody back their to return Tucker's kick if it came up short. JAX returned a short FG for a TD today.
This “goaltending” idea intrigues me. We’ve seen numerous players dunk the ball over the crossbar after td’s back in the day, so we know it’s possible to swat a ball away. I want someone to attempt it.
It's not going to happen. The trajectory is just too steep. Here's Prater's 64 yarder. This time there's a guy back their to return it if it comes up short. Look at how high it is over the player when it breaks the plane of the goal posts. It's still one or two feet higher than the bar. Moreover, even if he somehow got a finger on it, he'd probably just tip it a bit further. In this case the returner doesn't even think about trying to block it because it's clearly over his head.
https://youtu.be/VYTTFZKUT7Y?t=54
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I’ve always had the idea to get Tacko Fall or someone like that to stand right at the line of scrimmage or just behind it and jump to block the kick. It always looks like the kicks are inches over the linemen’s hands.
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I'm hearing that Christian McCaffrey's hamstring was seen as a "less than Grade 1" strain, which is great news. He will almost certainly miss next week, but there is a possibility that's all he misses.
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Random thought: On a long kick like that, could the defensive team put it's tallest guy who can jump in the end zone and have him try and jump to block the kick before it gets to the crossbar? Tucker's kick doinked on the crossbar, so a guy theoretically could have timed a jump to prevent the ball from going over (similar to an outfielder robbing a homer). Would that be within the rules?
There isn't any goaltending. I'm pretty sure it'd be within the rules. I think the deal is that it would be so insanely difficult to do that nobody's ever bothered to try. The cross bar is only 10' off the ground, so a lanky DB could probably get high enough to block it, but the problem is that the ball is dropping in from a very steep angle. You'd have to get a lot higher than that 10', and you'd need perfect timing to get it before it crossed over the bar. Looking at Tucker's kick it dropped pert near straight down on the bar. I don't think anybody is going to block that thing on the back end.
Also, I suppose there's a decent chance that in trying to block it you tip it over.
That said, I'm not sure why they didn't have anybody back their to return Tucker's kick if it came up short. JAX returned a short FG for a TD today.
This “goaltending” idea intrigues me. We’ve seen numerous players dunk the ball over the crossbar after td’s back in the day, so we know it’s possible to swat a ball away. I want someone to attempt it.
It's not going to happen. The trajectory is just too steep. Here's Prater's 64 yarder. This time there's a guy back their to return it if it comes up short. Look at how high it is over the player when it breaks the plane of the goal posts. It's still one or two feet higher than the bar. Moreover, even if he somehow got a finger on it, he'd probably just tip it a bit further. In this case the returner doesn't even think about trying to block it because it's clearly over his head.
https://youtu.be/VYTTFZKUT7Y?t=54
I get your point about the trajectory. However, a couple things. First, on the Matt Prater kick, the guy the Titans had back was Leon Washington, who was listed at 5'8. You get a guy like Calvin Johnson, who's nearly a foot taller, and you have a chance. Second, the 60+ yard kicks are typically at the lowest trajectory possible. Would it be easy? No, but I think it's possible and worth a try if you have a tall receiver with a great vertical leap.
I’ve always had the idea to get Tacko Fall or someone like that to stand right at the line of scrimmage or just behind it and jump to block the kick. It always looks like the kicks are inches over the linemen’s hands.
I only know who that is because my wife gets the NBA package and watches most Celtics games. While that would be amusing to watch, it would be a little like the track star that the Oakland A's signed back in the early '70s whose sole job was to be a pinch runner (and who, upon being deployed in the '74 World Series, was promptly picked off because he didn't know how to read a pitcher's move).
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the best camera work of the Tucker FG, from 2:18 onwards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weHQs3XLIMo
btw.... there's nothing tainted about the kick due to the possible delay of game. Look, I was yelling at the TV because the Ravens were molasses after spiking the ball. I saw the TV play clock hit '0' for about two seconds before the snap of the play that resulted in the incompletion. Well, if there was a delay of game, perhaps the Ravens gain ten yards on the next play, and he hits a 61 yarder.....like he did eight years ago.
Moving back in time, Tom Dempsey's 63 yarder. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrxTjgFYoU8 Alex Karras joked that the Lions put their smallest man back. When I see the film, there was somebody at perhaps at the 5 yard line. No one, including me and my neighbors, expected him to come close.
As to Dempsey's kick, here is a view that's been around for a while, but that I had never seen until last night https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2X0-jmh21A
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Raiders, Rams and Chargers!!! :metal Seahawks ::)
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btw.... there's nothing tainted about the kick due to the possible delay of game. Look, I was yelling at the TV because the Ravens were molasses after spiking the ball. I saw the TV play clock hit '0' for about two seconds before the snap of the play that resulted in the incompletion. Well, if there was a delay of game, perhaps the Ravens gain ten yards on the next play, and he hits a 61 yarder.....like he did eight years ago.
The play on which the delay of game penalty should have been called occurred with 7 seconds on the clock. If the call is made, they move back from the Detroit 48 to the Baltimore 47. The likelihood of getting off a play that gains any appreciable yardage and which allows the receiver to get out of bounds with time left is pretty negligible. I'm assuming that, if the penalty had been called, they'd have gone for a Hail Mary. And that assumes that the delay of game call wouldn't have caused a 10-second run-off, which would have ended the game (I've never been able to understand when that comes into play, so I don't know about that).
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Yes, there were seven seconds left after the spike. They then ran another play that took four seconds. Had a delay of game been called, the clock gets reset to seven seconds. The Ravens then run an out pattern to gain five to ten yards that takes....four seconds. Or maybe six.
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Since no one else is talking about it and the NFL is of course hush-hush:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGNoXNo7Gbs
These worthless zebras directly impacted 2 games that have significant bearing on playoff seeding, because they also gave the Ravens 2 extra seconds after the clock hit 0:00 to kick that game-winning field goal.
They need to clean this shit up with gambling becoming the driving force for the NFL.
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btw.... there's nothing tainted about the kick due to the possible delay of game. Look, I was yelling at the TV because the Ravens were molasses after spiking the ball. I saw the TV play clock hit '0' for about two seconds before the snap of the play that resulted in the incompletion. Well, if there was a delay of game, perhaps the Ravens gain ten yards on the next play, and he hits a 61 yarder.....like he did eight years ago.
The play on which the delay of game penalty should have been called occurred with 7 seconds on the clock. If the call is made, they move back from the Detroit 48 to the Baltimore 47. The likelihood of getting off a play that gains any appreciable yardage and which allows the receiver to get out of bounds with time left is pretty negligible. I'm assuming that, if the penalty had been called, they'd have gone for a Hail Mary. And that assumes that the delay of game call wouldn't have caused a 10-second run-off, which would have ended the game (I've never been able to understand when that comes into play, so I don't know about that).
There would be a ten second runoff, and from the video I saw of it, BAL had no timeouts left to change that.
At the same time, is there any video that shows the actual play clock on the sideline rather than the network's? Seems like everybody is just assuming that the two are in sync.
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btw.... there's nothing tainted about the kick due to the possible delay of game. Look, I was yelling at the TV because the Ravens were molasses after spiking the ball. I saw the TV play clock hit '0' for about two seconds before the snap of the play that resulted in the incompletion. Well, if there was a delay of game, perhaps the Ravens gain ten yards on the next play, and he hits a 61 yarder.....like he did eight years ago.
The play on which the delay of game penalty should have been called occurred with 7 seconds on the clock. If the call is made, they move back from the Detroit 48 to the Baltimore 47. The likelihood of getting off a play that gains any appreciable yardage and which allows the receiver to get out of bounds with time left is pretty negligible. I'm assuming that, if the penalty had been called, they'd have gone for a Hail Mary. And that assumes that the delay of game call wouldn't have caused a 10-second run-off, which would have ended the game (I've never been able to understand when that comes into play, so I don't know about that).
There would be a ten second runoff, and from the video I saw of it, BAL had no timeouts left to change that.
At the same time, is there any video that shows the actual play clock on the sideline rather than the network's? Seems like everybody is just assuming that the two are in sync.
And don't we know that they are not? I thought I read that.
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btw.... there's nothing tainted about the kick due to the possible delay of game. Look, I was yelling at the TV because the Ravens were molasses after spiking the ball. I saw the TV play clock hit '0' for about two seconds before the snap of the play that resulted in the incompletion. Well, if there was a delay of game, perhaps the Ravens gain ten yards on the next play, and he hits a 61 yarder.....like he did eight years ago.
The play on which the delay of game penalty should have been called occurred with 7 seconds on the clock. If the call is made, they move back from the Detroit 48 to the Baltimore 47. The likelihood of getting off a play that gains any appreciable yardage and which allows the receiver to get out of bounds with time left is pretty negligible. I'm assuming that, if the penalty had been called, they'd have gone for a Hail Mary. And that assumes that the delay of game call wouldn't have caused a 10-second run-off, which would have ended the game (I've never been able to understand when that comes into play, so I don't know about that).
There would be a ten second runoff, and from the video I saw of it, BAL had no timeouts left to change that.
At the same time, is there any video that shows the actual play clock on the sideline rather than the network's? Seems like everybody is just assuming that the two are in sync.
And don't we know that they are not? I thought I read that.
I know that nothing the network shows is official, but I don't know that they're necessarily wrong. I would expect it to be pretty close, but a half second difference could have been pretty significant.
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Looks like James White is very likely out for the season, and might well want to consider if he wants to play again. Hip dislocations are nothing to scoff at, and there's a strong possibility that this is an injury that bothers him for the rest of his life. That's a damn shame. It's really hard not to like the guy.
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Such a clutch player. Either way, he gave us fans all he could.
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The Manning version of MNF on ESPN2 is fantastic.
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The Manning version of MNF on ESPN2 is fantastic.
Such a fresh way to watch a game. I agree.
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Richard Sherman is now a Buccaneer.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32304209/richard-sherman-says-signing-tampa-bay-buccaneers
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Richard Sherman is now a Buccaneer.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32304209/richard-sherman-says-signing-tampa-bay-buccaneers
Think he and Brady will have a little chat about the interception aftermath in Seattle?
Probably not. But I’d pay to be a fly on the wall at their first interaction.
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Richard Sherman is now a Buccaneer.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32304209/richard-sherman-says-signing-tampa-bay-buccaneers
Think he and Brady will have a little chat about the interception aftermath in Seattle?
Probably not. But I’d pay to be a fly on the wall at their first interaction.
Brady was the one to talk him into joining Tampa. I think they are fine.
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The Bears just bought a massive 346 acre plot of land at a horse racetrack in the suburbs. The track went up for sale over the summer and it was known that they would bid for it - they have signed the purchase agreement now. My parents live a mile from the track, and I grew up right there. It's cool to think that they could move to the suburbs, but I really think it's just major leverage to try and get the Chicago Park District to bend to their terms. I'm not sure how they can make certain changes, like adding seats, since Soldier field is completely landlocked - Lake Shore Drive directly to the west and green park space to the east (when George Lucas tried to build his museum on the Chicago lakefront, a few groups rose up to fight it, as it would be built on existing park space).
Either way, it's going to be interesting to see what happens. Especially since the team SUCKS this year. At least there's some sort of positive news to look forward to.
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btw.... there's nothing tainted about the kick due to the possible delay of game. Look, I was yelling at the TV because the Ravens were molasses after spiking the ball. I saw the TV play clock hit '0' for about two seconds before the snap of the play that resulted in the incompletion. Well, if there was a delay of game, perhaps the Ravens gain ten yards on the next play, and he hits a 61 yarder.....like he did eight years ago.
The play on which the delay of game penalty should have been called occurred with 7 seconds on the clock. If the call is made, they move back from the Detroit 48 to the Baltimore 47. The likelihood of getting off a play that gains any appreciable yardage and which allows the receiver to get out of bounds with time left is pretty negligible. I'm assuming that, if the penalty had been called, they'd have gone for a Hail Mary. And that assumes that the delay of game call wouldn't have caused a 10-second run-off, which would have ended the game (I've never been able to understand when that comes into play, so I don't know about that).
There would be a ten second runoff, and from the video I saw of it, BAL had no timeouts left to change that.
At the same time, is there any video that shows the actual play clock on the sideline rather than the network's? Seems like everybody is just assuming that the two are in sync.
Back to Tucker's kick.......There is no run off of ten seconds when the play clock is stopped for 'anything'. Geesh.
btw.....nobody on the Lions sidelines was screaming that there was a delay of game. Same goes for those that were at the game.
Quit listening to idiots like Stephen Axel and Collin Cowpen. Get over it.
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btw.... there's nothing tainted about the kick due to the possible delay of game. Look, I was yelling at the TV because the Ravens were molasses after spiking the ball. I saw the TV play clock hit '0' for about two seconds before the snap of the play that resulted in the incompletion. Well, if there was a delay of game, perhaps the Ravens gain ten yards on the next play, and he hits a 61 yarder.....like he did eight years ago.
The play on which the delay of game penalty should have been called occurred with 7 seconds on the clock. If the call is made, they move back from the Detroit 48 to the Baltimore 47. The likelihood of getting off a play that gains any appreciable yardage and which allows the receiver to get out of bounds with time left is pretty negligible. I'm assuming that, if the penalty had been called, they'd have gone for a Hail Mary. And that assumes that the delay of game call wouldn't have caused a 10-second run-off, which would have ended the game (I've never been able to understand when that comes into play, so I don't know about that).
There would be a ten second runoff, and from the video I saw of it, BAL had no timeouts left to change that.
At the same time, is there any video that shows the actual play clock on the sideline rather than the network's? Seems like everybody is just assuming that the two are in sync.
Back to Tucker's kick.......There is no run off of ten seconds when the play clock is stopped for 'anything'. Geesh.
Quit listening to idiots like Stephen Axel and Collin Cowpen. Get over it.
Ah, it's the game clock and not the play clock. That actually makes sense. The runoff is the penalty for "illegally conserving time." (Rule 4, Sec 7, Art 1) If the game clock isn't running then you're not conserving time. Subsequently, if the game clock were running, waiting for the delay of game would be monumentally stupid, and not indicative of conserving time.
btw.....nobody on the Lions sidelines was screaming that there was a delay of game. Same goes for those that were at the game.
Nor the Ravens imploring him to hurry the hell up. That's why my first assumption was a discrepency between the field level play clock and the network's graphic.
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Richard Sherman is now a Buccaneer.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32304209/richard-sherman-says-signing-tampa-bay-buccaneers
Think he and Brady will have a little chat about the interception aftermath in Seattle?
Probably not. But I’d pay to be a fly on the wall at their first interaction.
Brady was the one to talk him into joining Tampa. I think they are fine.
I do too; it's my experience that many of these feuds that are rooted in athletic intensity (as opposed to simple douchebaggery) don't extend past the sidelines for too long. The intensity on the field is what it is, and I think to some degree players recognize that and respect it in others. Jeff Gordon and Clint Bowyer came to blows like three times when racing in NASCAR, and now they share a booth on the Fox NASCAR broadcasts and by all account get on pretty well.
I also see Brady as all about the work; I can see that conversation with Sherman: "Look, I've been past it for six and a half years. If you're not past it by now you should be, and if you're not, here's your chance to put it aside and win another Super Bowl."
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I think Brady is trying to set another record: most Pro Bowlers (current, past or future) to be on a Super Bowl winning team. They have, what, like 39 now? :lol :lol
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You mad bro to I'm your huckleberry bro.
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Speaking of Brady, here's how he compares to so-called GOATs in other sports. Seems like more LOAT to me:
https://captaincomeback.blog/2021/09/21/tom-brady-and-his-incredible-luck-in-high-scoring-games-part-i/
That chart with Jordan and Gretzky is pretty comical. :lol
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Yeah, lots of hand-waving to distract from what the article flat out says is the most important measure: an athlete's actual resume. Brady's accomplishments speak for themselves. I was a Brady "hater" for the longest time, too. But what he has accomplished, and for how long, is undeniable. It is foolish to try to argue otherwise. And if we are simply talking about "luck," let's not forget that, if not for some incredibly "bad luck" on the part of the Pats, Brady has two more rings and a perfect season on his resume as well. But the record books don't care about "asterisks" or "yeah, but!"s, so it is a moot point.
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Yeah, lots of hand-waving to distract from what the article flat out says is the most important measure: an athlete's actual resume. Brady's accomplishments speak for themselves.
Agree. I quickly looked at the chart -- in particular that large black box that listed all of the fortunate bounces in Brady's games and plays made by teammates. It is, indeed, comical. The implication is that Jordan and Gretzky scored all the baskets/goals. Never did a teammate make a big shot in a big game. No mention of how important Marty McSorley's and Dave Semenko's presences were to Gretzky's ability to operate with relative freedom from being hit. No mention of the blatant push off on Byron Russell in the Jordan's "flu game."
The need of some folks to concoct ways to belittle the accomplishments of other is just plain pathetic.
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Fair or not, wins and losses and rings are what are used to judge quarterbacks to a large degree, and Brady's accomplishments in that regard put him ahead of every other QB who has ever played the game. Did he dominate his sport on an individual (not team) basis like Gretzky or Jordan did? Nope. Not even close. Those guys were considered by pretty much everyone to be the best in their sport by a wide margin for close to a decade (Jordan's brief retirement notwithstanding), and no one else in any team sport in the modern era can say that, not even TB12. But his accomplishments from a team standpoint are too overwhelming at this point to ignore.
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Yeah, I think Brady's a dick. Don't much like him. His GOAT status is indisputable at this point, though. Trying to downplay his standing by comparing it to two different sports is silly.
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Tom Brady was one improbable helmet catch and one bad Wes Walker drop away from being a nine time champion with a perfect season under his belt, and his defense also shit the bed against Philly, or he would be a perfect 10-0 in the Super Bowl. Trust me, NOBODY hates Brady as much as Jets fans, but his greatness is undeniable, even for me, who finally conceded his GOAT status after he won a Lombardi without Belichick, who I thought was the sole reason for all of Brady’s success.
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Honestly, if the 49ers don't get it, I hope he gets another one this year.
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Tom Brady was one improbable helmet catch and one bad Wes Walker drop away from being a nine time champion with a perfect season under his belt, and his defense also shit the bed against Philly, or he would be a perfect 10-0 in the Super Bowl. Trust me, NOBODY hates Brady as much as Jets fans, but his greatness is undeniable, even for me, who finally conceded his GOAT status after he won a Lombardi without Belichick, who I thought was the sole reason for all of Brady’s success.
I am not denying his greatness, but you can flip the script off of that earlier part of your post and all of a sudden he has only three or four Super Bowl rings. That is how thin the margin has often been between winning and losing in most of his Super Bowl runs.
Belichick still gets tons of credit for those rings. Brady's win in TB, IMO, does nothing to tarnish the Hoodie. Belichick already had two rings as DC before his NE days, and then he won six as a head coach. Let's not forget that Belichick's defense did a lot of the heavy lifting when they won those first three rings. His status as the football GOAT is firmly set in stone, if you ask me.
Long story short: there is plenty of praise to go around.
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The easy way to settle it is that you can't win 6 SB's and go to 9 in 18 years without eith guy.
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The easy way to settle it is that you can't win 6 SB's and go to 9 in 18 years without eith guy.
Exactly. Had TB12 gone to the Lions last year (not that he ever would have :lol) and gone 5-11, while the Patriots with Cam went 12-4 and won the Super Bowl (not that that had a chance of happening :lol), would that have diminished Brady at all? Nah.
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Cam 12-4. Tee hee.
I'm just shocked KC is last in their division right now.
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Tom Brady was one improbable helmet catch and one bad Wes Walker drop away from being a nine time champion with a perfect season under his belt, and his defense also shit the bed against Philly, or he would be a perfect 10-0 in the Super Bowl. Trust me, NOBODY hates Brady as much as Jets fans, but his greatness is undeniable, even for me, who finally conceded his GOAT status after he won a Lombardi without Belichick, who I thought was the sole reason for all of Brady’s success.
Maybe this is just a sign of complete defeat but I actually kind of like him now.
Because it's easier to think about, had the AFC East been more like the NFC Least (which it very well could have been, had things gone a different way), the Jets teams we've been watching for the last decade might have eeked their way into the wildcard round enough times to not feel complete despair. Or if not that, at least maybe would have been playing meaningful football in Nov/Dec.
It's better to take solace in the fact that Brady is just that damn good - no one else every really had a chance as long as he was there.
Now ask me how i feel after another 3 losing seasons after he's been gone...
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Joe Burrow throws a damn nice ball.
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That is how thin the margin has often been between winning and losing in most of his Super Bowl runs.
Indeed. His team won one of those games having a 0.03 win probability at one point.
Long story short: there is plenty of praise to go around.
No franchise can win multiple titles, to say nothing of 6 in 2 decades, without this being true.
John Clayton has been highly praising Wickersham's upcoming book on local radio. Not sure if it will drop any bombshells, but should be an interesting read. With regards to Brady, I like the guy, I think he has handled his place in the sports world better than most would in his position. I really wanted to see that team go 19-0. I still want to see that sometime in my lifetime, I almost do not care who it is.
And this is why I make my pick 'em picks before Thursday night. I just remembered there was a game tonight.
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And then there's this:
Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Eminem, Mary J. Blige and Kendrick Lamar will perform for the first time on stage together at the Pepsi Super Bowl Halftime Show.
I am as out of touch on pop music, and rap music in general as anyone. But I can honestly name three songs I know between the 5 of these.
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Fair or not, wins and losses and rings are what are used to judge quarterbacks to a large degree, and Brady's accomplishments in that regard put him ahead of every other QB who has ever played the game. Did he dominate his sport on an individual (not team) basis like Gretzky or Jordan did? Nope. Not even close. Those guys were considered by pretty much everyone to be the best in their sport by a wide margin for close to a decade (Jordan's brief retirement notwithstanding), and no one else in any team sport in the modern era can say that, not even TB12. But his accomplishments from a team standpoint are too overwhelming at this point to ignore.
Um, Lawrence Taylor. He's actually my "greatest football player of all time", because he changed the game in ways that Brady hasn't. But that's a quibble. As someone who has seen Gretzky play in person (against the Whalers) he was everything (good) people say about him. At the time - it was late '80's/early '90's - I was playing hockey and was pretty good at dissecting plays and what not. I was up in the 300's so I had basically a full view of the ice from behind one goal and he was literally 2 or 3 seconds ahead of every other player on the ice. There had to be three or four times I was like "what the f--- is he doing?" only for him to end up with the puck on his stick and controlling the play. It was an amazing thing to watch.
I'm with Barto; there's a lot not to like about him personally, but to criticize his standing in the game - or to attribute it to luck - speaks more about the person than Brady, IMO. It seems to forget all those times that luck DIDN'T go his way and yet they still found a way to win. "Luck", whatever that is, might matter for one play or even one game, but 20 years? Almost 350 games?
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Cam 12-4. Tee hee.
I'm just shocked KC is last in their division right now.
Not me. Well, shocked at last, but I always said that it was all going to come around at some point. Mahomes will still be good/great, he will still win another Super Bowl at some point, but the annointing was (and is) premature.
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And then there's this:
Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Eminem, Mary J. Blige and Kendrick Lamar will perform for the first time on stage together at the Pepsi Super Bowl Halftime Show.
I am as out of touch on pop music, and rap music in general as anyone. But I can honestly name three songs I know between the 5 of these.
Hey, I get mixing it up, and with Jay-Z as consultant, we knew this was coming. I'll watch, because I do, but they were building this up on the game last night (including an interview with Snoop and Dre) as if the Beatles, Elvis and the Stones were all appearing at once, with Sinatra on backing vocals and Hendrix as special guest. The cute blond doing the halftime show was like "On a scale of 1 to 10 I'm at like a hundred!" Okay.
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I have said it for a while: Mahomes has a little Brett Favre in him. The pick he threw against the Ravens and the one late last week against the Chargers were both reminiscent of the Favre mentality of "I will just fling it up and hope for the best." Not saying Mahomes is not great, because he is, but I think he is a bit too reckless at times.
And I totally agree about Lawrence Taylor. He and Jerry Rice are still the two most dominant NFL players I have ever seen. Brady can be the QB GOAT, but that doesn't make him the football GOAT. He has never dominated the QB position (from an individual standpoint) like Rice and Taylor did their positions.
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And then there's this:
Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Eminem, Mary J. Blige and Kendrick Lamar will perform for the first time on stage together at the Pepsi Super Bowl Halftime Show.
I am as out of touch on pop music, and rap music in general as anyone. But I can honestly name three songs I know between the 5 of these.
Hey, I get mixing it up, and with Jay-Z as consultant, we knew this was coming. I'll watch, because I do, but they were building this up on the game last night (including an interview with Snoop and Dre) as if the Beatles, Elvis and the Stones were all appearing at once, with Sinatra on backing vocals and Hendrix as special guest. The cute blond doing the halftime show was like "On a scale of 1 to 10 I'm at like a hundred!" Okay.
To be fair, for people half your (our) age, this is the equivalent of the Beatles, Elvis, and Stones.
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I have said it for a while: Mahomes has a little Brett Favre in him. The pick he threw against the Ravens and the one late last week against the Chargers were both reminiscent of the Favre mentality of "I will just fling it up and hope for the best." Not saying Mahomes is not great, because he is, but I think he is a bit too reckless at times.
Interesting. I personally haven't noticed that, but I also haven't seen a lot of his games. But if there is anything to that, I think it will be born out when the times comes that he doesn't have such a stellar receiving corps that can make the amazing catches whenever he gets the ball in their general area.
And I totally agree about Lawrence Taylor. He and Jerry Rice are still the two most dominant NFL players I have ever seen. Brady can be the QB GOAT, but that doesn't make him the football GOAT. He has never dominated the QB position (from an individual standpoint) like Rice and Taylor did their positions.
It's tough comparing different positions, so I don't really sweat trying to figure out who is THE best of all time. But I will just say that what that looks like is completely different when you are looking at a WR vs. a LB vs. a QB. To me, the fact that Brady has been so successful for so long in so many different types of games with so many different receivers says a LOT. He has had offenses with some all-time greats. But he has also had some with no-names (or, at least they were no-names before Brady, and went on to reestablish themselves as no-names after moving on somewhere else). And yet, he still found ways to get his team to win. That's a different kind of dominance. But is it any less dominant? I'm not going to take a firm position one way or the other, but I think it's a valid question to ask.
And I also look at the fact that he is really good in so many aspects of what a QB does. He isn't "dominant" in any one category that makes him stand out when viewed alone. But he is really good in a lot of them, and it tends to be a winning combination. To use a DT analogy... [sidebar: I know you don't agree with the specifics of this analogy, since we have differing opinions of what is DT's best. But put that aside and try to look at my bigger picture.] Images and Words is that "obviously" dominant "player" that, when you look at some obvious standouts like Metropolis and Learning To Live, you can't help but be in awe. But then you take an album like ADTOE. You don't really have anything that quite reaches the peaks of either of those songs. But every single song is really good, and there are no obvious weak points. To me, there is a valid argument to be made that the latter is the "better album" because it is consistently excellent across the whole thing vs. an album that is "dominant" in a couple of areas, but weak in many others. But at the end of the day, the better argument to me is that they are both deserving to be in the conversation.
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I think the intangible with Brady is his leadership. Players by in with him leading the way. He puts in the effort as a leader and is infectious. Tampa Bay last year proves that.
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Yep, intangibles are always super important when it comes to quarterbacks, not necessarily being the most athletic or having the strongest arm. It's why I do not buy Lamar Jackson long term, because I do not buy him having the intangibles (see: him still dealing with a sore back nearly two weeks later because he couldn't help himself and did that stupid flip into the end zone on the TD at the end of the KC game).
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Yep, intangibles are always super important when it comes to quarterbacks, not necessarily being the most athletic or having the strongest arm. It's why I do not buy Lamar Jackson long term, because I do not buy him having the intangibles (see: him still dealing with a sore back nearly two weeks later because he couldn't help himself and did that stupid flip into the end zone on the TD at the end of the KC game).
I'm a Lamar fan, big time, but that kind of thing drives me f-ing crazy. You're paid to play the game to the utmost of your ability. He, especially, is a physical player. Preserve your greatest asset.
Back to Mahomes/Favre, I think Bosk is right on the money, and why I'm reserving the accolades for now. Brady did it through, what, three football generations? Maybe four? THAT'S the test. Many QB's have presided over an impressive run: Tarkenton, Kelly, Aikman, Bradshaw, Griese... but no one has presided over TWO with an entire generation of players in between. That's the greatness for me.
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And then there's this:
Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Eminem, Mary J. Blige and Kendrick Lamar will perform for the first time on stage together at the Pepsi Super Bowl Halftime Show.
I am as out of touch on pop music, and rap music in general as anyone. But I can honestly name three songs I know between the 5 of these.
Hey, I get mixing it up, and with Jay-Z as consultant, we knew this was coming. I'll watch, because I do, but they were building this up on the game last night (including an interview with Snoop and Dre) as if the Beatles, Elvis and the Stones were all appearing at once, with Sinatra on backing vocals and Hendrix as special guest. The cute blond doing the halftime show was like "On a scale of 1 to 10 I'm at like a hundred!" Okay.
To be fair, for people half your (our) age, this is the equivalent of the Beatles, Elvis, and Stones.
I didn't realize everyone else on this forum was in their 60s :lol
But yeah, I think this is huge. These guys still might be a little bit old hat to the younger crowd, but the younger crowd probably look at them the way we did bands like Led Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones.
I would think anyone between the ages of 30-50 should know these artists very well. To say that these guys have 12 minutes of music that is almost universally recognized among that crowd is a massive understatement by itself.
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Yep, intangibles are always super important when it comes to quarterbacks, not necessarily being the most athletic or having the strongest arm. It's why I do not buy Lamar Jackson long term, because I do not buy him having the intangibles (see: him still dealing with a sore back nearly two weeks later because he couldn't help himself and did that stupid flip into the end zone on the TD at the end of the KC game).
I'm a Lamar fan, big time, but that kind of thing drives me f-ing crazy. You're paid to play the game to the utmost of your ability. He, especially, is a physical player. Preserve your greatest asset.
Back to Mahomes/Favre, I think Bosk is right on the money, and why I'm reserving the accolades for now. Brady did it through, what, three football generations? Maybe four? THAT'S the test. Many QB's have presided over an impressive run: Tarkenton, Kelly, Aikman, Bradshaw, Griese... but no one has presided over TWO with an entire generation of players in between. That's the greatness for me.
Okay, but I would submit that it is pretty unfair to hold every QB now to the Brady longevity standard since playing at an above average level for as long as he has is pretty unprecedented.
I would think anyone between the ages of 30-50 should know these artists very well. To say that these guys have 12 minutes of music that is almost universally recognized among that crowd is a massive understatement by itself.
Why? I am 48, listen to what I consider a pretty good variety of music, and cannot name a single song by any of those artists (although it is possible that some or all of them have songs I would recognize if they came on the radio simply through having heard them somewhere over the years). And that is because I have little to no interest in rap or hip hop.
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Kev, I could put an album length playlist together for you and I would be shocked if you at least did not recognize every song has something you had heard before.
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Kev, I could put an album length playlist together for you and I would be shocked if you at least did not recognize every song has something you had heard before.
Please. Because I'm with Kev on this. Supposedly Eminem is going to be there too, and so he's off the table, I know his stuff. But Kendrick Lamar? Only if it was background music and I didn't know it was him. I'd know Snoop's voice, but I probably wouldn't know a song of his by title, I don't think. Didn't he have a song named "Gin and Juice"?
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All big stars but just not my cup of tea.
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I got Express Yourself from Dre because of one of the GTA games. The only one I know from Snoop is What's My Name? That's probably from a GTA game, as well. Not sure. Eminem I only know that song from the Michelle Pheiffer movie because it was ubiquitous. The other two I got nothin'.
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Eminem is my favorite of the bunch and it’s not even close (I’m not a particularly big hip-hop fan but I really enjoy Marshall’s music). These names are huge though and one thing not being discussed is that for the first time in a very long time, we have halftime performers that actually fit the tastes of the normal NFL fan demographic. Hard rock and hip hop (and country for you southern folks) are the genres that most NFL fans listen to, while a lot of the pop music doesn’t quite line up with football fans usually like. Obviously the halftime show and commercials are to draw in non-football fans, as the actually football fans are gonna watch the game regardless, so it makes sense to present artists that appeal to the people who aren’t watching for the game, but it’s nice to see a halftime show that fits with the music taste of a lot of football fans for once.
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Kev, I could put an album length playlist together for you and I would be shocked if you at least did not recognize every song has something you had heard before.
Please. Because I'm with Kev on this. Supposedly Eminem is going to be there too, and so he's off the table, I know his stuff. But Kendrick Lamar? Only if it was background music and I didn't know it was him. I'd know Snoop's voice, but I probably wouldn't know a song of his by title, I don't think. Didn't he have a song named "Gin and Juice"?
In general, same here. Pretty sure I've never heard an Eminem song, and VERY confident I have never heard a Kendrick Lamar song. I probably heard a couple Snoop song WAY back when he was very young (and so was I) and likely wouldn't recognize the songs if I heard them now (although I would recognize his voice). Dre is the only one I've heard more than a few times, and that was his work with NWA (or guesting on solo albums by other NWA members).
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Eminem is my favorite of the bunch and it’s not even close (I’m not a particularly big hip-hop fan but I really enjoy Marshall’s music). These names are huge though and one thing not being discussed is that for the first time in a very long time, we have halftime performers that actually fit the tastes of the normal NFL fan demographic. Hard rock and hip hop (and country for you southern folks) are the genres that most NFL fans listen to, while a lot of the pop music doesn’t quite line up with football fans usually like. Obviously the halftime show and commercials are to draw in non-football fans, as the actually football fans are gonna watch the game regardless, so it makes sense to present artists that appeal to the people who aren’t watching for the game, but it’s nice to see a halftime show that fits with the music taste of a lot of football fans for once.
Bingo. People are always going to rat on things that they don't like or try and minimize it. But this is absolutely a sign of a younger and more diverse group of people now calling the shots and being catered to in media and in the NFL. Maybe there are people over the age of 50 or something who would not recognize any of this music, but that group should not assume that people currently in their twenties and thirties would be able to name off or even recognize music by The Who.
Full disclosure: I'm not even a big fan of any of these artists. I suppose I listened to a little Eminem back in the day, and I've always liked Snoop Dogg and Dr Dre casually enough. But clicking around Spotify on all these artists for just a few minutes, I recognize so much stuff even if I personally wouldn't have been able to name it off. I'm really excited for this halftime show, and I'm glad they went this route instead of some extremely bland consensus pic like maroon 5 or Katy Perry.
Edit: still Dre has 750,000,000 Spotify plays despite the fact that it came out like 20 years before the platform existed. And the next most popular song has half a billion. How's that not super bowl worthy???
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I never listen to Pop radio and even I remember when Stan came out. And this is coming from someone who actually avoids Eminem. So I can say I’m familiar with Stan (which I do like) and My Name Is (which I don’t…I’m not even sure that’s the name of the song)
EDIT - WAIT!! I know that Lose Yourself in the Moment song…mostly because Weird Al did a fantastic parody of it. That is also a really terrific song.
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Eminem is my favorite of the bunch and it’s not even close (I’m not a particularly big hip-hop fan but I really enjoy Marshall’s music). These names are huge though and one thing not being discussed is that for the first time in a very long time, we have halftime performers that actually fit the tastes of the normal NFL fan demographic. Hard rock and hip hop (and country for you southern folks) are the genres that most NFL fans listen to, while a lot of the pop music doesn’t quite line up with football fans usually like. Obviously the halftime show and commercials are to draw in non-football fans, as the actually football fans are gonna watch the game regardless, so it makes sense to present artists that appeal to the people who aren’t watching for the game, but it’s nice to see a halftime show that fits with the music taste of a lot of football fans for once.
Bingo. People are always going to rat on things that they don't like or try and minimize it. But this is absolutely a sign of a younger and more diverse group of people now calling the shots and being catered to in media and in the NFL. Maybe there are people over the age of 50 or something who would not recognize any of this music, but that group should not assume that people currently in their twenties and thirties would be able to name off or even recognize music by The Who.
Full disclosure: I'm not even a big fan of any of these artists. I suppose I listened to a little Eminem back in the day, and I've always liked Snoop Dogg and Dr Dre casually enough. But clicking around Spotify on all these artists for just a few minutes, I recognize so much stuff even if I personally wouldn't have been able to name it off. I'm really excited for this halftime show, and I'm glad they went this route instead of some extremely bland consensus pic like maroon 5 or Katy Perry.
Edit: still Dre has 750,000,000 Spotify plays despite the fact that it came out like 20 years before the platform existed. And the next most popular song has half a billion. How's that not super bowl worthy???
Since we're getting into non-musical issues here, let's be honest: none of this is to cater to the fanbase, or to broaden horizons, or to attract new viewers. It's to check a box, and even Dre and Snoop acknowledged that during their interview on Thursday night. Having said that, I'm not "ratting" on anything; I will watch it and will be excited to see what spectacle gets put on (it struck me that Dre is running the show here, and calling the shots. That's promising.). I do think it will be entertaining. I don't necessarily buy into the universality of this genre of music, but I'm not hating here.
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Why can't it do all of that at once though?
Best pick since Bruno Mars for me and it's not even close.
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Hey, they can gather all the drunk women who were in the 'Girls Gone Wild' videos, and have them on the field when Snoop :censored :censored is on the stage. Why do people associate with this guy?
Oh, and am avoiding tomorrow night's game like the plague. I don't need to see 500 shots of Belichick and 500 shots of Brady and 50 split screen shots of the two together during the telecast. And that's just the pregame ;)
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Hey, they can gather all the drunk women who were in the 'Girls Gone Wild' videos, and have them on the field when Snoop :censored :censored is on the stage. Why do people associate with this guy?
Oh, and am avoiding tomorrow night's game like the plague. I don't need to see 500 shots of Belichick and 500 shots of Brady and 50 split screen shots of the two together during the telecast. And that's just the pregame ;)
Hah!
More like this...
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Just do 500 shots and you'll never remember. Lol
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Why can't it do all of that at once though?
Best pick since Bruno Mars for me and it's not even close.
Of course it can be all of those things; you're right about that. I don't know if those other things are enough to create the tipping point (since they haven't so far). That's my only point.
Oh, and am avoiding tomorrow night's game like the plague. I don't need to see 500 shots of Belichick and 500 shots of Brady and 50 split screen shots of the two together during the telecast. And that's just the pregame ;)
I'm not going to avoid it, but man, oh man, I have zero doubt that the media is going to ruin this with their endless quest for "the back story!". It's a fuckin' football game and IMO we shouldn't ever really forget that. Maybe I'll get with Bart before the game and see if he can teach me how to get that direct feed from Vladivostok with no announcers! :) :) :)
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I thought the Weekend was excellent last year.
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Nice!
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Jets defense plays lights out for three and a half quarters, then give up halfway through the fourth. Life is exhausting as a Jets fan.
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Arthur Smith is a fucking idiot. Atlanta hadn't been able to run all day, and Ryan was playing very well. All they needed was a first down, and he runs the ball three times for 4 yards. WTF didn't even have to burn a timeout. Grow a pair, dickhead. Andy Reid would have played to score (assuming he even recognized that the game was winding down).
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Jets Win!!
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FUCK YES!!!
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Saints lose at home to the awful Giants.
LOL at Sean Payton.
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J-E-T-S
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I'd laugh about the Jets winning, but in a few hours, they'll have the same record as the Pats.
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I'd laugh about the Jets winning, but in a few hours, they'll have the same record as the Pats.
I actually think the Patriots are gonna win tonight.
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I'd laugh about the Jets winning, but in a few hours, they'll have the same record as the Pats.
I actually think the Patriots are gonna win tonight.
WUT? They can't score! :lol
You realize Brady plays for the other guys, right?
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I'd laugh about the Jets winning, but in a few hours, they'll have the same record as the Pats.
I actually think the Patriots are gonna win tonight.
Not counting on it.
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That Steelers offsides call on the blocked FG was pretty iffy, but I am chuckling see their fanbase losing their minds about it on Twitter considering that was the same one that told Seahawks fans that they were crybabies when they got screwed in SB40. :lol :lol
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That Steelers offsides call on the blocked FG was pretty iffy, but I am chuckling see their fanbase losing their minds about it on Twitter considering that was the same one that told Seahawks fans that they were crybabies when they got screwed in SB40. :lol :lol
See Kev, petty like me. :lol
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Arthur Smith is a fucking idiot. Atlanta hadn't been able to run all day, and Ryan was playing very well. All they needed was a first down, and he runs the ball three times for 4 yards. WTF didn't even have to burn a timeout. Grow a pair, dickhead. Andy Reid would have played to score (assuming he even recognized that the game was winding down).
Word. They never should have lost that game.
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Saints lose at home to the awful Giants.
LOL at Sean Payton.
I don’t bet. At all. They just legalized sports betting here in CT and I came this close to putting a hundy on NO. Good reminder why I don’t bet. At all.
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Saints lose at home to the awful Giants.
LOL at Sean Payton.
I don’t bet. At all. They just legalized sports betting here in CT and I came this close to putting a hundy on NO. Good reminder why I don’t bet. At all.
Good call. I did a lot of betting in my younger days, but gave it up mostly for good in the late 90s, and can count on one hand the number of bets I have made against the spread since (the Bucs in the Super Bowl last year was one of them).
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Rodney can't hold his own umbrella? Lol
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Rodney can't hold his own umbrella? Lol
For a while there, Tirico had an umbrella and they didn’t even give one to Dungy or Brees!!! ;D
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Yeah but they are football players. Rodney's a diva? Lol
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Rodney can't hold his own umbrella? Lol
For a while there, Tirico had an umbrella and they didn’t even give one to Dungy or Brees!!! ;D
Tirico's umbrella was twice as big as everyone else's.
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Brady not exactly lighting it up yet. One thing hasn’t changed, he’s still the beneficiary of multiple turnovers by the opposition.
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Like every team?
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Like every team?
No, just Brady. ;D
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Like every team?
No, just Brady. ;D
You're right. I've never seen it happen before. My bad.
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Johnnu Smith playing tonight?
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Yes. Saw him on multiple plays.
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TB with all those weapons and BB has held him to 3 pts. Speaks volumes.
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TB with all those weapons and BB has held him to 3 pts. Speaks volumes.
It's like when the Pats gad trouble with bad Dolphins teams. They knew each other well.
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I don't love the entirety of Chris Collinsworth's broadcasts, but his analysis and dissection of plays is excellent. His football knowledge is outstanding.
Is that his son on the pregame? How'd he get that job? He looks like a crackhead.
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Brutal fumble by Taylor.
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The Bucs have not been impressive this game so far. They seem out of synch on defense and offense. I think the Patriots will take this game.
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This is the situation that the Patriots do NOT want to be in. They left Brady too much time and too small of a deficit. New England has won many a game with Brady like this, but they may be on the receiving end of his last minute heroics tonight.
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This is the situation that the Patriots do NOT want to be in. They left Brady too much time and too small of a deficit. New England has won many a game with Brady like this, but they may be on the receiving end of his last minute heroics tonight.
Yeah, clutch 48 yd FG.
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That was a helluva game. Shame how it turned out. I'd have liked to see McCorkle get a shot at the end. I liked his odds better than Folk's.
Tom Brady 22/43 269 0 0
Mac Jones 31/40 275 2 1
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Very ugly win for the Bucs, I was so sure that last drive would end with a TD by the Pats.
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Also curious on Bill's decision to kick the FG as I thought Mac Jones was doing a decent job of the short passes in the middle to move the chains. It is a gamble in favor the defense I suppose seeing how hard they made things for Brady even if he did have 50 secs and 2 time outs but all they'd need was a FG to counter. Either way like I said ugly win for the Bucs.
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I usually like Keyshawn JWill and Max, but they're still talking about that boring ass game and ignoring anything else that happened in the rest of the league for over an hour now. Yeah, I'm definitely Brady and Belichick'd out.
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TB with all those weapons and BB has held him to 3 pts. Speaks volumes.
It does speak volumes, but I have a sneaking suspicion it's saying something very different for you than for most others here.
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I usually like Keyshawn JWill and Max, but they're still talking about that boring ass game and ignoring anything else that happened in the rest of the league for over an hour now. Yeah, I'm definitely Brady and Belichick'd out.
To be fair, though, other than the Giants, who played very well, what else was as exciting? Watching Mahomes light up the Eagles defense? You, me and Bart could light up the Eagles defense. Ben looking old against the Packers? He IS old.
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Zach Wilson having his first bonafide "electric" game, Lamar throwing one of the longest in air passes in QB history are two other things that were interesting. Also Cardinals beating the Rams.
That's just the top of it because they're not talking about the rest so I don't know about it either!
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Honestly don't know how bookies/odds-makers can be profitable. These games are impossible to predict. Kinda why the NFL is so fun. Oh, except for the Lions, they will keep losing.
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Honestly don't know how bookies/odds-makers can be profitable. These games are impossible to predict. Kinda why the NFL is so fun. Oh, except for the Lions, they will keep losing.
I might have said this already, but I was listing to ESPN radio and they had an oddsmaker on and she was SO compelling that the Saints were going to demolish the Giants that like I said, I almost dropped a Benjamin (not Ben Jamin, or Jammindude) on the game.
I do think that the nine games that go as planned - plus the vig - more than make up for the one or two that really don't. Plus all the ancillary stuff (over/unders, stuff like that). Connecticut just legalized sports betting at it's two casinos, and if memory serves, the state is predicting something like 150 million in revenues over three years. That's just the state's cut; the tax on sports gambling is something like 15%, so that means the casinos will take in like 1.2 BILLION over three years. The bookies aren't suffering. :) :) :)
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I usually like Keyshawn JWill and Max, but they're still talking about that boring ass game and ignoring anything else that happened in the rest of the league for over an hour now. Yeah, I'm definitely Brady and Belichick'd out.
Boring? What more do you want? Strippers and explosions?
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I usually like Keyshawn JWill and Max, but they're still talking about that boring ass game and ignoring anything else that happened in the rest of the league for over an hour now. Yeah, I'm definitely Brady and Belichick'd out.
Boring? What more do you want? Strippers and explosions?
If you're asking.... :lol
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:lol
Like I said, it was 7-6 when I went to bed. 2nd half looks like it may have been a bit better.
I acknowledge Brady's greatness. And Belichick's. But the difference here is, the league doesn't seem to understand that no one else likes them. Maybe this is kind of a novel situation in sports. In the MLB or NBA, you don't have the situation where everyone hate hearing about the best player the way people hate hearing about Tom Brady.
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:lol
Like I said, it was 7-6 when I went to bed. 2nd half looks like it may have been a bit better.
I acknowledge Brady's greatness. And Belichick's. But the difference here is, the league doesn't seem to understand that no one else likes them. Maybe this is kind of a novel situation in sports. In the MLB or NBA, you don't have the situation where everyone hate hearing about the best player the way people hate hearing about Tom Brady.
I'm so sick of it I skipped the beginning of the game so I wouldn't have to hear about it. That said, once the game started that was put aside. The narrative shifted to a good D trying to shut a great QB, and McCorkle mostly outplaying him for 4 quarters. At one point the kid actually tied Brady's record for consecutive passes, and did it in a significant downpour. Really, Mac was the story of the game.
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:lol
Like I said, it was 7-6 when I went to bed. 2nd half looks like it may have been a bit better.
I acknowledge Brady's greatness. And Belichick's. But the difference here is, the league doesn't seem to understand that no one else likes them. Maybe this is kind of a novel situation in sports. In the MLB or NBA, you don't have the situation where everyone hate hearing about the best player the way people hate hearing about Tom Brady.
The entire stadium was chanting "BRADY! BRADY!" when he took the field. "No one else likes them" sounds like projection to me.
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Still can't believe both the Jets and Giants won yesterday, and in OT. So odd. My extended family (we were out at dinner and they had the games on, and a mix of giants and jets fans) were all shocked and delighted to see that.
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:lol
Like I said, it was 7-6 when I went to bed. 2nd half looks like it may have been a bit better.
I acknowledge Brady's greatness. And Belichick's. But the difference here is, the league doesn't seem to understand that no one else likes them. Maybe this is kind of a novel situation in sports. In the MLB or NBA, you don't have the situation where everyone hate hearing about the best player the way people hate hearing about Tom Brady.
The entire stadium was chanting "BRADY! BRADY!" when he took the field. "No one else likes them" sounds like projection to me.
Yeah, it's not.
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Pretty great game last night.
Panthers did about as I expected yesterday, being without McCaffrey and some others. They still played OK. No shame in losing to a good time like that on the road.
It's not a "moral victory" by any means, but I think they will be better for having played in that game.
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:lol
Like I said, it was 7-6 when I went to bed. 2nd half looks like it may have been a bit better.
I acknowledge Brady's greatness. And Belichick's. But the difference here is, the league doesn't seem to understand that no one else likes them. Maybe this is kind of a novel situation in sports. In the MLB or NBA, you don't have the situation where everyone hate hearing about the best player the way people hate hearing about Tom Brady.
When you win as much as they did and after with Tom, most other fanbases get weary of seeing them so much.
I felt like that with the Yankees in the 90's and early 2000's.
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:lol
Like I said, it was 7-6 when I went to bed. 2nd half looks like it may have been a bit better.
I acknowledge Brady's greatness. And Belichick's. But the difference here is, the league doesn't seem to understand that no one else likes them. Maybe this is kind of a novel situation in sports. In the MLB or NBA, you don't have the situation where everyone hate hearing about the best player the way people hate hearing about Tom Brady.
When you win as much as they did and after with Tom, most other fanbases get weary of seeing them so much.
I felt like that with the Yankees in the 90's and early 2000's.
That's fair. People hate Jeter similarly, now that you mention it.
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Funny, as a Sox fan, I always admired Jeter. Class act, always gave it his all. Others irked me on those winning teams.
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Funny, as a Sox fan, I always admired Jeter. Class act, always gave it his all.
You're right, but I think a lot of folks (myself probably included) hated Jeter BECAUSE there was nothing genuine that you could dislike him for (and because he was the face of the evil empire). I think folks envisioned him doing all sorts of terrible thing and getting away with them because he was Derek Jeter.
Also, if Jeremy Giambi had just slid, we wouldn't have to hear about that damn play 93 times every year....
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Jeter is like Brady. Clean cut, gets the models. Wins championships. So I totally get it.
Remember when Andy Pettitte said he only did steroids once? We all knew he lied but the admission made him OK. Unlike Clemens who fought tooth and nail about taking them.
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The stupidity of NBC aside*, that was an entertaining game last night. It was your classic Tom Brady win (his kicker makes the FG at the end, the kicker on the team misses), but what an incredible coaching performance by Belichick. Considering the disparity in talent, the fact that they came thisclose to winning was remarkable, but not surprising at all.
*I am a big Al Michaels fan, but when NE went up 7-3, he said the score and then say New England in a tone that indicated that it was a surprise. I was like, really? Has he not been paying attention for 35+ years? Yep, it's shocking that the greatest defensive mind in the history of the sport would come up with a game plan to neutralize a QB he knows like the back of his hand and get his team to be competitive. A friend and I do a Blazing 5 pick game for fun every week, and I said all weekend that the Patriots +7 was my favorite pick of the season thus far. I get Belichick's team at home AND I get 7 points? Too easy.
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The stupidity of NBC aside*, that was an entertaining game last night. It was your classic Tom Brady win (his kicker makes the FG at the end, the kicker on the team misses), but what an incredible coaching performance by Belichick. Considering the disparity in talent, the fact that they came thisclose to winning was remarkable, but not surprising at all.
*I am a big Al Michaels fan, but when NE went up 7-3, he said the score and then say New England in a tone that indicated that it was a surprise. I was like, really? Has he not been paying attention for 35+ years? Yep, it's shocking that the greatest defensive mind in the history of the sport would come up with a game plan to neutralize a QB he knows like the back of his hand and get his team to be competitive. A friend and I do a Blazing 5 pick game for fun every week, and I said all weekend that the Patriots +7 was my favorite pick of the season thus far. I get Belichick's team at home AND I get 7 points? Too easy.
NE was certainly fortunate that Gronk wasn't available, but going back a month ago, I still maintain that if Gilmour was playing NE wins. With Brady throwing so erratically, they just needed somebody in the secondary to come away with a pick. It might not have been him, but Gilmour changes the very nature of that secondary. They're a unit that can gamble when he's around. Even still, I think it's possible NE was setting Brady up for a pick in the 4th quarter, but by then he'd stopped throwing the ball.
Also, don't be terribly surprised if other teams copy NE's gameplan going forward. Mixing up what Brady sees before and after the snap to create hesitation has always been the key to beating him. Bill showed people how it's done. After NE completely shut down McVay's Rams in the super bowl every team they played the next season used the 6-1 that Bill threw at them, and the results really showed.
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He also shut down Martz' Rams too! :metal
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Chargers are being delayed by lightning.
What are the odds?
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Chargers are being delayed by lightning.
What are the odds?
:lol
That's funny
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Chargers are being delayed by lightning.
What are the odds?
Interestingly enough, my enjoyment of playoff hockey these last two years have also been delayed by Lightning…
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Meanwhile....
Urban Meyer said his family was understandably upset after the nine-second video showing Meyer sitting at the bar in an Ohio State pullover while the young woman danced close to his lap was posted to social media on Saturday night and quickly went viral.
(https://c.tenor.com/NnIxZ62kMd8AAAAM/apocalypse-now-marlon-brando.gif)
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Are the Chargers actually…good?
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NE was certainly fortunate that Gronk wasn't available, but going back a month ago, I still maintain that if Gilmour was playing NE wins. With Brady throwing so erratically, they just needed somebody in the secondary to come away with a pick. It might not have been him, but Gilmour changes the very nature of that secondary. They're a unit that can gamble when he's around. Even still, I think it's possible NE was setting Brady up for a pick in the 4th quarter, but by then he'd stopped throwing the ball.
Also, don't be terribly surprised if other teams copy NE's gameplan going forward. Mixing up what Brady sees before and after the snap to create hesitation has always been the key to beating him. Bill showed people how it's done. After NE completely shut down McVay's Rams in the super bowl every team they played the next season used the 6-1 that Bill threw at them, and the results really showed.
Perhaps, but how many teams have the coaching smarts and the players to copy what Belichick did and slow down the Bucs offense? Probably not many.
Besides, I think the Rams offense came back to earth a bit in that season following their SB loss largely due to the rapid decline of Todd Gurley. Goff being exposed was a bit part of it as well, but he had been exposed late in the season before that Super Bowl, so Belichick just made the world see what was already happening, and of course did it to a larger degree (holding them to 3 points was pretty insane).
Are the Chargers actually…good?
Yes. Stay tuned, as the power rankings will make their debut this week, and early word is that many on the committee who put the power rankings together are very high on the Chargers, so that bode wells for them in regards where they will land this week.
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Chargers are being delayed by lightning.
What are the odds?
Interestingly enough, my enjoyment of playoff hockey these last two years have also been delayed by Lightning…
I am sorry for that, but kudos for the clever comment :D
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Cards and Chargers at the top of the west, Steelers in last. What is this, bizarro world?
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Funny how none of the analysts were talking about the poor clock mgmt by Brady on that last drive. 2 incomplete passing plays on 2nd and 3rd down to the end zone when you're supposed to be eating time. Plenty of clock left for NE to go down and kick a FG. Folk only missed by about 6 inches. If it hadn't been for the Bucs D blocking that pass on 3rd down, the whole TB/BB story overkill by the media would've taken a very different turn. Yeah, the Bucs still won but not in the typical Brady fashion. In fact, Belichick did a pretty awesome job of mixing up the defensive schemes and Brady didn't play all that well. So yeah, it really didn't live up to all the hype.
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Two of the Pats' O-linemen, Isaiah Wynn and left guard Michael Onwenu, are out with Covid.
Prediction...the O-Line will have their best game of the season this week..
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Power Rankings (Week 5 Edition!)
01 Buffalo Bills - despite the fluke loss in Week 1, they have the best point differential by a significant margin, and should coast to the AFC East title. Huge game at KC this week.
02 Arizona Cardinals - monster statement win over the Rams this past week. It would be cruel if this team went on to a win a Super Bowl a season after Larry Fitzgerald departed.
03 Los Angeles Rams - huge letdown loss to the Cardinals this week, but it feels like this team's best could be better than anyone else's. Cooper Kupp has evolved into one of the best WRs in football.
04 Tampa Bay Buccaneers - the defense is a mess, but with Tom Brady and those handful of studs at the skill positions, they have a chance to win every game, and the schedule gets really easy very soon.
05 Dallas Cowboys - after a narrow Week 1 loss to the champs, have three impressive wins since. The defense is not great, but it is much improved, and is creating turnovers, and they are running it well so far on offense.
06 Los Angeles Chargers - Justin Herbert has quickly become one of the top QBs in football, and their defense is good. Week 3 win at KC is THE statement win of the season thus far.
07 Green Bay Packers - Week 1 is not being given nearly as much weight in these rankings as the next three, but it is hard to ignore the beatdown they took completely, but three nice wins since has them on a roll.
08 Kansas City Chiefs - similar to Brady and the Bucs, Mahomes, Kelce and Hill will give them a chance to win every game, and Andy Reid is still a top 2-3 NFL head coach, but that defense is atrocious.
09 Cleveland Browns - their roster is loaded, and it is hard to believe that this team has two of top five RBs in football, but Mayfield may keep this team from reaching its full potential.
10 Las Vegas Raiders - is there a more underrated QB in the NFL right now than Derek Carr? The committee says now. Much of the credit for this team being 3-1 goes to Carr.
Top 5 MVP candidates
01 Kyler Murray
02 Patrick Mahomes
03 Tom Brady
04 Matthew Stafford
05 Derek Carr
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The AFC North and West are gonna be fun this year. The AFC East already feels like it’s decided, and the AFC South is interesting if only because even the 0-4 Jaguars have a shot at first place the division is so mediocre.
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Pats release Gilmore.
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Pats release Gilmore.
Pats intend to release Gilmore. They're hoping a team will trade for him to avoid a bidding war, which may well happen. I think they have until 1800 this evening. If he becomes an unrestricted free agent he can ask for the moon. If Green Bay or Tampa offer up a pick or two they can get him on his current salary and negotiate from there.
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Dallas releases Jaylon Smith so they don't have to pay him $9m next year. I guess they figure that Quinn has everyone on that defense playing much better and Smith isn't relevant anymore. Loyalty doesn't exist in this fucking league. When are organizations going to figure out that they can't throw a bunch of money at star players only to find out they can't afford them later on?
Oh, and how is Dak Prescott not in the top 5 for MVP? That's a head scratcher for sure. ???
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Pats release Gilmore.
Pats intend to release Gilmore. They're hoping a team will trade for him to avoid a bidding war, which may well happen. I think they have until 1800 this evening. If he becomes an unrestricted free agent he can ask for the moon. If Green Bay or Tampa offer up a pick or two they can get him on his current salary and negotiate from there.
Every headline referred to it as a release, but you're right..he's going to Carolina.
https://nesn.com/2021/10/patriots-officially-trade-stephon-gilmore-to-panthers-for-2023-draft-pick/
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6th round pick for that talent. Ugh. They could have had more trading him last year when they knew last year was a stop gap year.
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Dallas releases Jaylon Smith so they don't have to pay him $9m next year. I guess they figure that Quinn has everyone on that defense playing much better and Smith isn't relevant anymore. Loyalty doesn't exist in this fucking league. When are organizations going to figure out that they can't throw a bunch of money at star players only to find out they can't afford them later on?
Oh, and how is Dak Prescott not in the top 5 for MVP? That's a head scratcher for sure. ???
The Cowboys made a strategic move to release Jaylon because if he got hurt this year, he would be guaranteed his salary for next year. Based on his play the last couple of years including this year, they decided it was not worth the risk. They are really only going to save 3m in the long run but they have so much young talent that they feel they are better off playing them and not Jaylon.
Totally agree about Dak! :metal
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Oh, and how is Dak Prescott not in the top 5 for MVP? That's a head scratcher for sure. ???
How so? Yes, he is very valuable to his team, but that can be said for all of the best 10-12 QBs in the league, and Dallas is running the ball extremely well the last three weeks, which directly correlates with their winning streak, so as good as Dak is, this is similar to his rookie year in that Dallas simply wins more when they are running the ball well. Dak is not really a Mahomes or a Brady or a Allen who can lead his team to many wins with little to no running game. People salivated over his passing numbers last year before he got hurt, but they weren't winning most of those games.
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Pats release Gilmore.
Pats intend to release Gilmore. They're hoping a team will trade for him to avoid a bidding war, which may well happen. I think they have until 1800 this evening. If he becomes an unrestricted free agent he can ask for the moon. If Green Bay or Tampa offer up a pick or two they can get him on his current salary and negotiate from there.
Every headline referred to it as a release, but you're right..he's going to Carolina.
https://nesn.com/2021/10/patriots-officially-trade-stephon-gilmore-to-panthers-for-2023-draft-pick/
Thank you very much.
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Oh, and how is Dak Prescott not in the top 5 for MVP? That's a head scratcher for sure. ???
How so? Yes, he is very valuable to his team, but that can be said for all of the best 10-12 QBs in the league, and Dallas is running the ball extremely well the last three weeks, which directly correlates with their winning streak, so as good as Dak is, this is similar to his rookie year in that Dallas simply wins more when they are running the ball well. Dak is not really a Mahomes or a Brady or a Allen who can lead his team to many wins with little to no running game. People salivated over his passing numbers last year before he got hurt, but they weren't winning most of those games.
Well if you're going by that then why is Derrick Carr on the list? Dak has a far better QBR then Derrick and as far as Mahomes, the Chiefs are .500. It's not a good thing necessarily to have a QB constantly throwing for 350 or 400 yards. It's a young season but if you're going to be talking about MVP so far then Dak very much deserves to be in the conversation.
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The Seahawks are wearing.... THOSE UNIFORMS!
:vomit:
:sick:
:puke:
There it is, I knew it was here somewhere.
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Any Jets fan knows that Geno Smith is the last QB you want on the field with the game on the line. With that said, tough break for him at the end there. He played very well in relief of the injured Russell Wilson, but his receiver tripped at the worst possible time, with the ball already in flight. Nobody, even Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, can predict that, and as a result the comeback attempt ends for Seattle.
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Oh, and how is Dak Prescott not in the top 5 for MVP? That's a head scratcher for sure. ???
How so? Yes, he is very valuable to his team, but that can be said for all of the best 10-12 QBs in the league, and Dallas is running the ball extremely well the last three weeks, which directly correlates with their winning streak, so as good as Dak is, this is similar to his rookie year in that Dallas simply wins more when they are running the ball well. Dak is not really a Mahomes or a Brady or a Allen who can lead his team to many wins with little to no running game. People salivated over his passing numbers last year before he got hurt, but they weren't winning most of those games.
Well if you're going by that then why is Derrick Carr on the list? Dak has a far better QBR then Derrick and as far as Mahomes, the Chiefs are .500. It's not a good thing necessarily to have a QB constantly throwing for 350 or 400 yards. It's a young season but if you're going to be talking about MVP so far then Dak very much deserves to be in the conversation.
Since you brought up QBR, Carr is 9th in the NFL, Dak is 15th.
Also, Dak gets far more help. Dallas is 2nd in the NFL in rushing, Las Vegas is 27th. Also, the Dallas defense gives up more yards than the Raiders, but they have forced the 2nd most turnovers in the NFL so far, the Raiders are 21st in turnovers forced.
In other words, Carr and Dak both have their teams at 3-1, but Carr has had far less help.
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The Seahawks are wearing.... THOSE UNIFORMS!
:vomit:
:sick:
:puke:
There it is, I knew it was here somewhere.
Thank you! And, just like in year's past, I turned the game off within 30 seconds when I saw those outfits.
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I heard today the Seahawks were undefeated going in to tonight's game while wearing those uniforms, giving them an incentive to break them out for a big division game. Hopefully this loss will keep them from doing so in the future.
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Pete Carroll probably is planning his exit strategy now that Wilson is likely to miss time with a busted finger. Toughing it out through the bad times is not the Pete Carroll way, and his defense (which is his side of the ball) right now is historically bad. Just like he bailed on USC the second sanctions came down on them, he will bail on the Seahawks as soon as things go sour there as well.
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Oh, and how is Dak Prescott not in the top 5 for MVP? That's a head scratcher for sure. ???
How so? Yes, he is very valuable to his team, but that can be said for all of the best 10-12 QBs in the league, and Dallas is running the ball extremely well the last three weeks, which directly correlates with their winning streak, so as good as Dak is, this is similar to his rookie year in that Dallas simply wins more when they are running the ball well. Dak is not really a Mahomes or a Brady or a Allen who can lead his team to many wins with little to no running game. People salivated over his passing numbers last year before he got hurt, but they weren't winning most of those games.
Well if you're going by that then why is Derrick Carr on the list? Dak has a far better QBR then Derrick and as far as Mahomes, the Chiefs are .500. It's not a good thing necessarily to have a QB constantly throwing for 350 or 400 yards. It's a young season but if you're going to be talking about MVP so far then Dak very much deserves to be in the conversation.
Since you brought up QBR, Carr is 9th in the NFL, Dak is 15th.
Also, Dak gets far more help. Dallas is 2nd in the NFL in rushing, Las Vegas is 27th. Also, the Dallas defense gives up more yards than the Raiders, but they have forced the 2nd most turnovers in the NFL so far, the Raiders are 21st in turnovers forced.
In other words, Carr and Dak both have their teams at 3-1, but Carr has had far less help.
Derek Carr rating in the four games they have played:
Ravens 89.5
Steelers 126.2
Fins 95.7
Chargers 84.9
Dak through four games
Bucs 101.4
Chargers 87.7
Eagles 143.3
Panthers 130.3
Look, I think I ran into the site you are talking about (was it ESPN?) and it looks like they take in a lot more factors but I am strictly looking at ratings that involve completion percentage, TDs, Int etc. I guess the old fashioned way and if we start invoking stats from analytics then we're going down a whole nutha utha...
Are you suggesting that if Dak went down that we would keep rolling with the likes of Cooper Rush? If both teams keep the trends you state then you will see Dak trending up and Carr will trend down.
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Derek Carr rating in the four games they have played:
Ravens 89.5
Steelers 126.2
Fins 95.7
Chargers 84.9
Dak through four games
Bucs 101.4
Chargers 87.7
Eagles 143.3
Panthers 130.3
Look, I think I ran into the site you are talking about (was it ESPN?) and it looks like they take in a lot more factors but I am strictly looking at ratings that involve completion percentage, TDs, Int etc. I guess the old fashioned way and if we start invoking stats from analytics then we're going down a whole nutha utha...
Neither passing rating (which you seem to have referenced) or QBR are perfect, but I put a lot more stock in QBR since it takes game situation into account (among other things).
Are you suggesting that if Dak went down that we would keep rolling with the likes of Cooper Rush?
This is a bizarre question, since I had said nothing to warrant such a query.
If both teams keep the trends you state then you will see Dak trending up and Carr will trend down.
I agree, but my rankings and MVP candidates are not predictions. They are largely based on what has happened, not on what I think is gonna to happen.
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Derek Carr rating in the four games they have played:
Ravens 89.5
Steelers 126.2
Fins 95.7
Chargers 84.9
Dak through four games
Bucs 101.4
Chargers 87.7
Eagles 143.3
Panthers 130.3
Look, I think I ran into the site you are talking about (was it ESPN?) and it looks like they take in a lot more factors but I am strictly looking at ratings that involve completion percentage, TDs, Int etc. I guess the old fashioned way and if we start invoking stats from analytics then we're going down a whole nutha utha...
Neither passing rating (which you seem to have referenced) or QBR are perfect, but I put a lot more stock in QBR since it takes game situation into account (among other things).
Are you suggesting that if Dak went down that we would keep rolling with the likes of Cooper Rush?
This is a bizarre question, since I had said nothing to warrant such a query.
If both teams keep the trends you state then you will see Dak trending up and Carr will trend down.
I agree, but my rankings and MVP candidates are not predictions. They are largely based on what has happened, not on what I think is gonna to happen.
Yes - I was referencing passer rating as opposed to QBR so I should have paid more attention.
And speaking of "should have", I should have given more context in my point about Cooper Rush. Given your comments regarding the running game, turnovers etc...for not considering Dak or considering others win with less then this would be the impetus for my question. If Dak went down, would the running still be as effective as they are with Dak? Same question for the defense. My answer would be no and that is in my mind the very essence an MVP should be about.
I would say, increase your list as a top 10 and then as the season goes along whittle it down to top 5.
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Well, to be fair, most teams with an above average QB would be up a creek if their QB got hurt.
Case in point: get ready to see Seattle struggle to stay afloat now that Russell Wilson be out for at least a month.
The Bills were the smart one who went out and got a good backup. Trubisky could step in and they'd be mostly okay if he had to miss a few games. Not as good obviously, but they wouldn't fall apart.
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I love the green color, but the whole thing is even too much for me. Navy pants are better. But it's fun as a one-off and to see all the reactions it gets.
Nice the Rams won, but sucks it was against the Seahawks. It's Geno's team now.
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I cannot WAIT to see Tom Grossi’s next NFC West Reacts video. For anyone who doesn’t know who that is, Tom Grossi is a football YouTuber, and for the past two years he’s done a series of videos pretending to be a fan of each team in two divisions and acting out their reactions to each week. Last year he did the two East divisions and this year he’s doing the West divisions. With how good these eight teams have been, it’s been really fun, and the Wilson injury should make for a great NFC addition this week.
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I can't help but laugh at the Urban Meyer discourse. Of course what he did is not befitting on a married man but people are acting like he got caught getting a bj in a back alley.
I'm guessing it's more due to the fact that Jacksonville have been a circus since the offseason and this is just another occasion to gleefully pile on. Whatever :lol as a Jets fan I'm just happy that somebody else's putting on the circus sideshow at least for now
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I can't help but laugh at the Urban Meyer discourse. Of course what he did is not befitting on a married man but people are acting like he got caught getting a bj in a back alley.
I'm guessing it's more due to the fact that Jacksonville have been a circus since the offseason and this is just another occasion to gleefully pile on. Whatever :lol as a Jets fan I'm just happy that somebody else's putting on the circus sideshow at least for now
It's kind of bewildering to me too, in a way, but I'm not really close to the whole "Urban Meyer" legacy. I get the sense that wasn't a popular hire to begin with, and most of the press I've read - even before the brouhaha - was fairly, if not negative, then certainly skeptical. I'd be curious what others think of him. He's a very good coach - what, three national titles? - and while there are grumblings about some of his players - arrests, that kind of thing - is that really unique to Urban Meyer?
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I forgot there was a game in London this morning, but I see the Jets are getting drilled by a bad Falcons team that is missing their top 2 WRs. Such a Jets thing to do. :lol :lol
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I can't help but laugh at the Urban Meyer discourse. Of course what he did is not befitting on a married man but people are acting like he got caught getting a bj in a back alley.
I'm guessing it's more due to the fact that Jacksonville have been a circus since the offseason and this is just another occasion to gleefully pile on. Whatever :lol as a Jets fan I'm just happy that somebody else's putting on the circus sideshow at least for now
It's kind of bewildering to me too, in a way, but I'm not really close to the whole "Urban Meyer" legacy. I get the sense that wasn't a popular hire to begin with, and most of the press I've read - even before the brouhaha - was fairly, if not negative, then certainly skeptical. I'd be curious what others think of him. He's a very good coach - what, three national titles? - and while there are grumblings about some of his players - arrests, that kind of thing - is that really unique to Urban Meyer?
I have a feeling he’s gonna be like Nick Saban and Chip Kelly: great college coaches whose systems don’t translate to the professional level.
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It's just that their bullshit won't fly in the NFL.
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Plus, coaches who were great in college ball are used to having a huge advantage in talent, while that is never the case in the NFL, where coaching matters a lot more. In college, you can be a great recruiter and an average game day coach and be a legend.
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I forgot there was a game in London this morning, but I see the Jets are getting drilled by a bad Falcons team that is missing their top 2 WRs. Such a Jets thing to do. :lol :lol
Just got back from a family brunch watching that game.
It's too bad that they didn't show up for the first quarter, because if they had they might have won.
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I’ve been watching football for over 40 years. I have never in my life seen 4 missed game-winning field goals in a row. Not ever.
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OMG FIVE NOW????
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I was originally rooting for Sam darnold to have success, but after 4 weeks of annoying media people saying "he's great! The Jets are just bad" I'm fine seeing him throw 3 INTs. One less annoying narrative to deal with.
Even through those first three wins, he looked like the QB that I remembered. Decent, if he doesn't make too many mistakes, and the rest of the team can make up for the lack of brilliance at play in the QB position.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GIGKYVeNCc
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Man, Daniel Jones really clobbered himself. I suspect they penalized the D on that, but Jones was the one that led with the helmet. He really got his bell rung, though. The Barkley injury sure doesn't look good, either.
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Jon Gruden says something disparaging about Goodell, when 1) he wasn't even in the league, and 2) basically everyone who isn't an owner of an NFL team hates this guy.
Russell Wilson out maybe 6 weeks, I cannot find a firm date. They were already the 6th or 7th team in the AFC playoff picture. At least they are at the weakest portion of their schedule, and Geno Smith isn't Clipboard Jesus.
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What is up with kicking today?
The Bengals/Packers ended with 5 missed game winning FGs, and now the Chargers kicker has missed two PATs.
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As a Raiders fan it's hard for me to say this, but the Chargers are legit!!! They finally got a coach that has some balls to make gutsy plays. Just gotta get a decent kicker. Stadium was pretty full too.
It's a good time to be an LA football fan.
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It’s amazing how many fans don’t understand context. Tonight Mahomes is going against the BEST defense in the NFL. Josh Allen is going against the WORST. That’s a HUGE disparity in difficulty level. Buffalo’s D is actually historically great through 4 games.
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I was originally rooting for Sam darnold to have success, but after 4 weeks of annoying media people saying "he's great! The Jets are just bad" I'm fine seeing him throw 3 INTs. One less annoying narrative to deal with.
Even through those first three wins, he looked like the QB that I remembered. Decent, if he doesn't make too many mistakes, and the rest of the team can make up for the lack of brilliance at play in the QB position.
I haven't seen any media people say that he's great, just that he wasn't as bad as he looked in NY, because the Jets are just bad.
Which is 100% correct.
He was definitely not great yesterday. The Panthers should have won that game.
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I was originally rooting for Sam darnold to have success, but after 4 weeks of annoying media people saying "he's great! The Jets are just bad" I'm fine seeing him throw 3 INTs. One less annoying narrative to deal with.
Even through those first three wins, he looked like the QB that I remembered. Decent, if he doesn't make too many mistakes, and the rest of the team can make up for the lack of brilliance at play in the QB position.
I haven't seen any media people say that he's great, just that he wasn't as bad as he looked in NY, because the Jets are just bad.
Which is 100% correct.
He was definitely not great yesterday. The Panthers should have won that game.
He had multiple games with the Jets in each season that were every bit as good as what he did with the Panthers so far. But agree that the Panthers are a much better team than the Jets under Adam Gase. But his problem is the consistency. That's why it was way too soon to claim he would be better now that he won three games. Unless the mental errors stop he is going to hold the Panthers back to a great degree.
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Gruden is quitting. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy, for him to leave in shame.
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He isn't quitting. When the owner sees you In your office he's firing him for emails 10 years ago.
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Yeah, that's a shit can there. It'll be passed on as a mutual agreement, but I guarantee it was a one sided conversation.
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Some may call this Cancel Culture, but no, this fucker had it coming.
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Jon Gruden is one of the most overrated coaches in NFL history. He won a Super Bowl with Tony Dungy’s players and then never did anything else of note in the league. This season his team barely beat the Ravens, then beat two mediocre teams in the Steelers and Dolphins, then lost to a good Chargers team before losing to the mediocre Bears. This departure will be good for the Raiders, and the worst part about this is that it makes Antonio Brown’s tirade from a few seasons ago seem sane.
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Some may call this Cancel Culture, but no, this fucker had it coming.
Cancel culture is never that immediate. This shit barely had time to hit the presses before Davis pulled the trigger.
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Some may call this Cancel Culture, but no, this fucker had it coming.
Couldn't agree more. Can't be a leader with that kind of hatred in your heart.... especially if you have an openly gay man on your team.
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Yeah, that's a shit can there. It'll be passed on as a mutual agreement, but I guarantee it was a one sided conversation.
Thankfully I'm not held to this standard. I've typed out things that is not meant what many think. Just an example, I shit on Cozmo about hair metal vs. Prog as a joke and Facebook suspended me.
Content was lost. I hate racism but in this day and age, words typed can be twisted.
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Also, he did type stuff that was waaaaaaaay over the line. Dumb of him for sure. Thankfully, I've never crossed that crazy line.
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These emails weren't sent that long ago. I don't understand how he thought it'd be ok to send them.
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There were some in 2011 and 2018. Boy were those bad.
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I haven't seen the text of the emails yet. Has someone leaked them? And if so, are they worth viewing?
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I haven't seen the text of the emails yet. Has someone leaked them? And if so, are they worth viewing?
I don't think they got leaked, I've looked around and haven't seen shit.
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https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/ny-jon-gruden-new-emails-goodell-biden-20211012-y4ne33eglrbllninb4gv234qzm-story.html?outputType=amp
No surprise here.
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So I won my fantasy league game today, nothing else much exciting happening I guess...
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https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/ny-jon-gruden-new-emails-goodell-biden-20211012-y4ne33eglrbllninb4gv234qzm-story.html?outputType=amp
No surprise here.
Yeah, that goes as far (if not further) than what I would have been willing to read. I just don't understand how a man that has spent his adult life leading men of so many different creeds and cultures would act, or feel that way. It seems like he would be in constant conflict with himself.
Thanks for the link, King.
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What is up with kicking today?
The Bengals/Packers ended with 5 missed game winning FGs, and now the Chargers kicker has missed two PATs.
Indianapolis Colts: "Hold my beer!" ;)
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Gruden didn't mean to hurt anyone. Of course he didn't. No one who writes correspondence intended for a specific individual does. But that's not the world we live in any more. Anything you have said at any point in your life is fair game. I am not implying I feel bad for him, I don't. There is a fair amount of "he should have known better" involved here. Even 10+ years ago it was common knowledge the internet is written in ink. No one gives a shit what a novice laborer for a small remodeling company writes to his friends. But with a high profile comes a higher standard. Yet, something deep down inside of me wishes that private correspondence could remain, you know, private.
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I’m the opposite. If someone has that much hate in their heart, it SHOULD come to light. He used homophobic and racial slurs and stereotypes. He has an openly gay man on his team not to mention the obvious about the race of the majority of players in the league. At almost any workplace, managers are expected to run their business without prejudice, and words like this would get them fired as well. For all intents and purposes, the head coach is the player’s manager (hell in baseball they’re straight up called the manager). How is Nassib or any other player supposed to respect this man and trust him? His coaching strategies are antiquated at this point also, but that’s important. What is important is that his views of the world are also antiquated and hurtful, and there’s no place for that in the world, let alone the league.
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These emails weren't sent that long ago. I don't understand how he thought it'd be ok to send them.
Because he is an idiot. Seems like the simplest and most likely conclusion. :P
Jon Gruden is one of the most overrated coaches in NFL history. He won a Super Bowl with Tony Dungy’s players and then never did anything else of note in the league. This season his team barely beat the Ravens, then beat two mediocre teams in the Steelers and Dolphins, then lost to a good Chargers team before losing to the mediocre Bears. This departure will be good for the Raiders, and the worst part about this is that it makes Antonio Brown’s tirade from a few seasons ago seem sane.
It is worth noting that Tony Dungy could not win a Super Bowl in Tampa with Tony Dungy's players. I am with ya that Gruden was always overrated, but he came in to Tampa and got the offense to be good enough to where they did win it all, after the team has basically quit on Dungy at the end of the 2001 season. Don't get me wrong, the defense carried the day in that 2002 postseason, but the offense not being as anemic as it was in the playoffs under Dungy was a factor.
What is up with kicking today?
The Bengals/Packers ended with 5 missed game winning FGs, and now the Chargers kicker has missed two PATs.
Indianapolis Colts: "Hold my beer!" ;)
That was both an epic comeback by the Ravens AND an epic choke by the Colts.
I will never understand these coaches who get gutless in key moments. The Colts had moved the ball all night, led the Ravens 25-17 with like 5 minutes or so left, knew the Ravens offense had gotten rolling, and by staying aggressive by both running and throwing the ball the Colts went right down the field and got in borderline FG range (I say borderline because their kicker apparently was not totally healthy), so what do they do? Get conservative, run the ball on every down, lose 2 yards on the three plays, and have to attempt a FG on 4th and 12...and the FG is blocked. :lol :lol When that FG was blocked, I said it then, the Ravens are winning this game. You can't bungle moments like that against a team that has gotten that much momentum on the other side of the ball.
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Yeah... 2011, 2013, whatever... was really not long ago at all.
The man was paid MILLIONS to work in MEDIA for crying out loud. He knew the deal. That's why he'd rather resign in disgrace than let himself be dragged for this any longer than he needs to be.
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It’s amazing how many fans don’t understand context. Tonight Mahomes is going against the BEST defense in the NFL. Josh Allen is going against the WORST. That’s a HUGE disparity in difficulty level. Buffalo’s D is actually historically great through 4 games.
Haha. It's fascinating the gymnastics you regularly go through just to disparage Brady and praise Mahomes.
I'm pretty goddamn good on context, and if he's the GOAT, then he should rise to the occasion. He has his weapons: Kelce, Hill, Elaire... The reality is, he has been human all season, and it's not just Buffalo's defense. I've been saying for years that the league WILL catch up and it has. We'll see how he responds.
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I’m the opposite. If someone has that much hate in their heart, it SHOULD come to light. He used homophobic and racial slurs and stereotypes. He has an openly gay man on his team not to mention the obvious about the race of the majority of players in the league. At almost any workplace, managers are expected to run their business without prejudice, and words like this would get them fired as well. For all intents and purposes, the head coach is the player’s manager (hell in baseball they’re straight up called the manager). How is Nassib or any other player supposed to respect this man and trust him? His coaching strategies are antiquated at this point also, but that’s important. What is important is that his views of the world are also antiquated and hurtful, and there’s no place for that in the world, let alone the league.
Gruden picks the team. If there's an openly gay man on the team, he's there at Gruden's pleasure. Maybe have the conversation man-to-man and make the determination from there. Make Gruden look you in the eye and explain himself; but then, live with the consequences. What is the point of "tolerance" if we can't ever learn from our mistakes?
I'm a fan of Gruden's work on the Raiders, I thought they were getting good, but I'm not losing any sleep over this firing/resignation. He's a hard man to like; there's always something (whether bigoted or not) that make you scratch your head. The Raiders did the right thing big picture. I think the part that bothers me is the extraneous piling on. EVERY article I read shows the "bad" email - you don't comment on a man's lips, African American or otherwise, and expect context to save you - then piles on a bunch of stuff that doesn't really say the same thing but SOUNDS bad. Calling one man "dumb" doesn't necessarily elevate to a disparagement of that man's entire race. Being critical of the union (a part of the first email about Smith) that is headed by a minority is not a disparagement of that minority. That was a contentious negotiation at the time, and there WERE legitimate criticisms of Smith. Forget about Gruden for a second; to go back and now re-interpret those criticisms in a purely racial light is not helpful to the larger issue at hand.
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Frank Caliendo just lost 12% of his act.
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Frank Caliendo just lost 12% of his act.
He's still got Madden, though. :) :) :)
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The tire lip comment wasn't the worse, but once he starts using the F word and saying negatives about homosexuals, further context kind of goes out the window. It does suck that private conversations got aired, but these weren't private text messages between friends. These were work emails! I would NEVER say anything remotely questionable using my work email. And 2011 wasn't that long ago to be able to chalk it up to "the times were different back then" He should have known better, especially working for ESPN, and I can't see how his players could trust him after this so his resignation seems fit.
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The word "hate" sure gets thrown around a lot. Hyperbolic default word everyone goes to. When I call people "rednecks" I don't HATE them. ::)
Can't imagine a Southern business owner in 1975 being pressured to resign for something they said about blacks in print in 1965, but it's the world we live in now. Not that using the n-word would be acceptable of course, but at least people back then would have had a more balanced, reasonable reaction. What's the statute of limitations on this? Something you said 20 years ago? 40?
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The tire lip comment wasn't the worse, but once he starts using the F word and saying negatives about homosexuals, further context kind of goes out the window. It does suck that private conversations got aired, but these weren't private text messages between friends. These were work emails! I would NEVER say anything remotely questionable using my work email. And 2011 wasn't that long ago to be able to chalk it up to "the times were different back then" He should have known better, especially working for ESPN, and I can't see how his players could trust him after this so his resignation seems fit.
All of this
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Fucking chucky. What douchebag ass clown. :loser:
The best part was, "I don't want to be a distraction." Whatever dude. You've already been that 10 times over. :\
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Did you guys see where a fan was caught spreading human remains/ashes on the field in Pittsburgh yesterday? As a life long steelers fan, I'm ok with this symbolic gesture considering the fact that the season was dead on arrival to begin with.
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It’s amazing how many fans don’t understand context. Tonight Mahomes is going against the BEST defense in the NFL. Josh Allen is going against the WORST. That’s a HUGE disparity in difficulty level. Buffalo’s D is actually historically great through 4 games.
Haha. It's fascinating the gymnastics you regularly go through just to disparage Brady and praise Mahomes.
I'm pretty goddamn good on context, and if he's the GOAT, then he should rise to the occasion. He has his weapons: Kelce, Hill, Elaire... The reality is, he has been human all season, and it's not just Buffalo's defense. I've been saying for years that the league WILL catch up and it has. We'll see how he responds.
Well, Edwards-Elaire is a pretty average NFL RB at best, but Kelce might be the best TE ever, and Tyreek Hill is awesome, so Mahomes still has two of probably the top five skill (non-QB) position players in the NFL (Kelce, Hill, D. Henry, D. Adams, D. Hopkins). I know the Chiefs D stinks, but that is no excuse for him to be careless with the ball (an out some are already giving him). The Packers had a historically bad defense in 2011, and Rodgers went out and threw 45 touchdowns and only 6 interceptions, so not every great QB starts turning it over just because their D is bad. I think Mahomes is great, but I think he has taken his press clippings a bit too seriously to where he tries making highlight plays too often.
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Power Rankings (Week 6 Edition!)
01 Buffalo Bills - their beatdown of the Chiefs in KC solidified their number 1 ranking.
02 Arizona Cardinals - it feels like this is a 5-0 start destined to finish 12-5, but cannot argue with what they are doing thus far.
03 Los Angeles Rams - big win at Seattle, but their defense is a bit too leaky.
04 Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 4-1 and their schedule is soft. Plenty of time to get healthy while TB12 gets them wins over patsies.
05 Dallas Cowboys - this team is well-rounded and legit.
06 Los Angeles Chargers - Justin Herbert is amazing. Their run D is not, and could be the one thing that holds them back.
07 Green Bay Packers - 4-1 and yet they still have a negative point differential. Take Rodgers off this team and they'd be the Lions.
08 Baltimore Ravens - their 4-1 record seems like a mirage, considering it took miracles to beat both the 0-5 Lions and 1-4 Colts, but there is something to be said about finding ways to win close games when you do not play your best.
09 Cleveland Browns - still seems like a team that is loaded but doesn't have the right QB.
10 New Orleans Saints - they seem a bit schizo so far, while adjusting to life without Drew Brees, but are probably the best of the rest so far.
Top 5 MVP candidates
01 Lamar Jackson
02 Kyler Murray
03 Aaron Rodgers
04 Tom Brady
05 Justin Herbert
Tough to leave Josh Allen off of there, but he hadn't played that amazing before last week, and their defense has been crazy good so far.
Prescott has been great, but their running game continues to dominate.
Mahomes will likely get back on the list, but his team is now under .500, so he is off this week.
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I’m the opposite. If someone has that much hate in their heart, it SHOULD come to light.
Been thinking about this all day. I am not saying I don't care about what people think and feel, but at the same time I do not know how much I care, if that makes sense. Can't people have private thoughts? Do we need to know what feelings everyone has deep down?
My boss seems like a real stand-up guy and has treated me very well in the time I have been with him. I know a fair amount about his life (it is a small, family-owned company and we talk almost every day) but I don't know his thoughts on abortion, gay marriage, or anything political or religious. Am I entitled to know, as his employee, and as his friend (which I do count myself as one)? I do not know the answers. Just responding to you as your post has had me thinking since I read it.
Someone on the radio wondered how many NFL coaches/execs were sweating bullets today. This could be the tip of an iceberg. The NFLPA is wanting the release of all that correspondence. Which got me thinking... is it customary for companies to save 10 year old emails?
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I’m the opposite. If someone has that much hate in their heart, it SHOULD come to light.
Been thinking about this all day. I am not saying I don't care about what people think and feel, but at the same time I do not know how much I care, if that makes sense. Can't people have private thoughts? Do we need to know what feelings everyone has deep down?
My boss seems like a real stand-up guy and has treated me very well in the time I have been with him. I know a fair amount about his life (it is a small, family-owned company and we talk almost every day) but I don't know his thoughts on abortion, gay marriage, or anything political or religious. Am I entitled to know, as his employee, and as his friend (which I do count myself as one)? I do not know the answers. Just responding to you as your post has had me thinking since I read it.
Someone on the radio wondered how many NFL coaches/execs were sweating bullets today. This could be the tip of an iceberg. The NFLPA is wanting the release of all that correspondence. Which got me thinking... is it customary for companies to save 10 year old emails?
Entitlement is a big key word. No one is entitled to your thoughts. And with how much we document and keep record of our ideas, thoughts, and feelings it's being shown people are using these records against those who spoke the words.
And I hate to say it, but people do have these thoughts about people. The difference is, people don't say them aloud. Some are not afraid of saying exactly what they think, and will put it bluntly.
I am taking a class on Sports History and it's fascinating how masculinity has played a role in sports and the role of the spectator. Also, what exactly constitutes Modern Sports.
So for me, all this NFL and NBA regulations are just the consequences and limit people are willingly able to tolerate political matters in sports. Let's hope it doesn't get to the point of the Nika Riots.
It's why some fans of sports won't tolerate the "Wokeness" as it's interfering with the game and play of the sport. And also, it could be like the Jack Johnson vs. Jim Jefferies fight where race was an issue, and Jack Johnson knew it and did a lot of things to break that supposed "Color Line".
Looks like the rain delay is over and the game Is back on...Let's play Ball!!.. :biggrin:
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Oh, and how is Dak Prescott not in the top 5 for MVP? That's a head scratcher for sure. ???
How so? Yes, he is very valuable to his team, but that can be said for all of the best 10-12 QBs in the league, and Dallas is running the ball extremely well the last three weeks, which directly correlates with their winning streak, so as good as Dak is, this is similar to his rookie year in that Dallas simply wins more when they are running the ball well. Dak is not really a Mahomes or a Brady or a Allen who can lead his team to many wins with little to no running game. People salivated over his passing numbers last year before he got hurt, but they weren't winning most of those games.
Disagree. Dak is a top 5 QB easily. Especially after coming back from such a severe injury. I think you need to re-evaluate your analysis.
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I've never really understood the hubbub about Dak. That it until I saw him play this year!
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I’m the opposite. If someone has that much hate in their heart, it SHOULD come to light.
Been thinking about this all day. I am not saying I don't care about what people think and feel, but at the same time I do not know how much I care, if that makes sense. Can't people have private thoughts? Do we need to know what feelings everyone has deep down?
My boss seems like a real stand-up guy and has treated me very well in the time I have been with him. I know a fair amount about his life (it is a small, family-owned company and we talk almost every day) but I don't know his thoughts on abortion, gay marriage, or anything political or religious. Am I entitled to know, as his employee, and as his friend (which I do count myself as one)? I do not know the answers. Just responding to you as your post has had me thinking since I read it.
Someone on the radio wondered how many NFL coaches/execs were sweating bullets today. This could be the tip of an iceberg. The NFLPA is wanting the release of all that correspondence. Which got me thinking... is it customary for companies to save 10 year old emails?
The short answer is no, we don't need to know everyone's feelings but I think the issue at large here is leadership and brand recognition. I can only imagine he would have to answer questions every single week about the emails and pics that he was trading with the Washington GM along with how could he lead a team and staff where a large percentage are black. Not to mention the female refs maybe throwing a extra flag at the wrong time. The boy had to go.
But Gruden was a victim of collateral damage as the investigation was about Washington and their shenanigan's and they unearthed this treasure trove of racism and sexism. But the NFL reports they will not reopen the investigation. BTW - the emails were one thing but the pics were of topless women who were Washington cheerleaders - there own employees! Freakin nuts!
And no - it's rare that a company holds ten years of email data. Too many legal issues because if you got it, you got to give when asked. However, I work for the State so ALL correspondence is recorded and stored for a period of time.
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Oh, and how is Dak Prescott not in the top 5 for MVP? That's a head scratcher for sure. ???
How so? Yes, he is very valuable to his team, but that can be said for all of the best 10-12 QBs in the league, and Dallas is running the ball extremely well the last three weeks, which directly correlates with their winning streak, so as good as Dak is, this is similar to his rookie year in that Dallas simply wins more when they are running the ball well. Dak is not really a Mahomes or a Brady or a Allen who can lead his team to many wins with little to no running game. People salivated over his passing numbers last year before he got hurt, but they weren't winning most of those games.
Disagree. Dak is a top 5 QB easily. Especially after coming back from such a severe injury. I think you need to re-evaluate your analysis.
Prescott is really good, but top 5? No way, IMO.
Talking how good they are, not necessarily value...
Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Wilson (even though he just got hurt), L. Jackson, Josh Allen. That right there are six guys who I would absolutely put ahead of him, no questions asked. I would be pretty comfortable putting Dak 7th right now, although you could argue Kyler Murray as well. Herbert needs more experience before I can put him up there.
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I’m the opposite. If someone has that much hate in their heart, it SHOULD come to light.
Been thinking about this all day. I am not saying I don't care about what people think and feel, but at the same time I do not know how much I care, if that makes sense. Can't people have private thoughts? Do we need to know what feelings everyone has deep down?
My boss seems like a real stand-up guy and has treated me very well in the time I have been with him. I know a fair amount about his life (it is a small, family-owned company and we talk almost every day) but I don't know his thoughts on abortion, gay marriage, or anything political or religious. Am I entitled to know, as his employee, and as his friend (which I do count myself as one)? I do not know the answers. Just responding to you as your post has had me thinking since I read it.
Someone on the radio wondered how many NFL coaches/execs were sweating bullets today. This could be the tip of an iceberg. The NFLPA is wanting the release of all that correspondence. Which got me thinking... is it customary for companies to save 10 year old emails?
I too think about this a lot: I don't need to know. I'm sure a lot of people will disagree with me, but I don't feel entitled to know ANYONE'S inner thoughts. Not even politicians that I'm voting for. I don't care what they personally think, I care what they will advocate for. Hillary once got in a fair amount of trouble for talking about her "personal" position versus her "public" position, and on that point at least I was in FULL support of her. Romney is another one; PERSONALLY pro-life, but politically an advocate for pro-choice (a similar position to my own).
Look, there's no question he had to go; the opposite message is just not acceptable today. But that doesn't make everything about this smell like roses. Gruden is clearly a scapegoat here (https://newsletters.yahoo.net/H/2/v60000017c7951b524c3c1e16e966f4578/753e9927-2afe-4870-a5e3-1ae9e7ac5465/HTML), and if we're REALLY interested in change - and not just vengeance and a quick victory for the agenda - we're going to need to face that.
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Oh, and how is Dak Prescott not in the top 5 for MVP? That's a head scratcher for sure. ???
How so? Yes, he is very valuable to his team, but that can be said for all of the best 10-12 QBs in the league, and Dallas is running the ball extremely well the last three weeks, which directly correlates with their winning streak, so as good as Dak is, this is similar to his rookie year in that Dallas simply wins more when they are running the ball well. Dak is not really a Mahomes or a Brady or a Allen who can lead his team to many wins with little to no running game. People salivated over his passing numbers last year before he got hurt, but they weren't winning most of those games.
Disagree. Dak is a top 5 QB easily. Especially after coming back from such a severe injury. I think you need to re-evaluate your analysis.
Prescott is really good, but top 5? No way, IMO.
Talking how good they are, not necessarily value...
Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Wilson (even though he just got hurt), L. Jackson, Josh Allen. That right there are six guys who I would absolutely put ahead of him, no questions asked. I would be pretty comfortable putting Dak 7th right now, although you could argue Kyler Murray as well. Herbert needs more experience before I can put him up there.
We are talking about this year right? I get the Murray argument. Herbert and Allen are up there too, but what have Mahomes and Wilson done this year? They're teams are both 2-3 and at/near the bottom of their divisions respectively. Kinda seems since Dak plays for Dallas, that he doesn't get the respect and recognition he deserves. Just sayin'... :dunno:
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If Dak can make the rest of his career look like this year - as opposed to the year before his injury - he's a top 5 QB. He's NOTICEABLY matured in the year he's had off. I was never a fan, but now, grudgingly, I am.
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We are talking about this year right? I get the Murray argument. Herbert and Allen are up there too, but what have Mahomes and Wilson done this year? They're teams are both 2-3 and at/near the bottom of their divisions respectively. Kinda seems since Dak plays for Dallas, that he doesn't get the respect and recognition he deserves. Just sayin'... :dunno:
I think KC and Seattle having the two worst defenses in the league has a little to do with that, no? Dallas ' defense ins't great either and gives up a lot of yards, but have forced the 2nd most turnovers. Dallas also has TWO of the top 10 RBs in rushing this season. So, again, while Dak has been very good, a dominant running game and an opportunistic defense are the main reasons why they are 4-1.
Besides, if we are looking at just this season, then Dak being 13th in QBR, 19th in pass attempts and 7th in yards per attempt all have to be taken into consideration, yes? :)
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We are talking about this year right? I get the Murray argument. Herbert and Allen are up there too, but what have Mahomes and Wilson done this year? They're teams are both 2-3 and at/near the bottom of their divisions respectively. Kinda seems since Dak plays for Dallas, that he doesn't get the respect and recognition he deserves. Just sayin'... :dunno:
I think KC and Seattle having the two worst defenses in the league has a little to do with that, no? Dallas ' defense ins't great either and gives up a lot of yards, but have forced the 2nd most turnovers. Dallas also has TWO of the top 10 RBs in rushing this season. So, again, while Dak has been very good, a dominant running game and an opportunistic defense are the main reasons why they are 4-1.
Besides, if we are looking at just this season, then Dak being 13th in QBR, 19th in pass attempts and 7th in yards per attempt all have to be taken into consideration, yes? :)
I'm not sold on this "KC's problem is defense" argument. The KC defense has always been something less than the Steel Curtain of the 70's; they were winning a lot of 45-42 games two years ago; they were the 2019 version of the '84 Dolphins. They won a Super Bowl by stepping up when it counted and holding a good team to 20 points. Now this year, instead of winning 42-38 to a team like Buffalo, they are losing 38-20 to a Buffalo team.
The fact is, they are NOT running a rodeo offensively this season, and they are NOT winning those games where the D stinks up the house and they WERE winning those games two years ago.
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We are talking about this year right? I get the Murray argument. Herbert and Allen are up there too, but what have Mahomes and Wilson done this year? They're teams are both 2-3 and at/near the bottom of their divisions respectively. Kinda seems since Dak plays for Dallas, that he doesn't get the respect and recognition he deserves. Just sayin'... :dunno:
I think KC and Seattle having the two worst defenses in the league has a little to do with that, no? Dallas ' defense ins't great either and gives up a lot of yards, but have forced the 2nd most turnovers. Dallas also has TWO of the top 10 RBs in rushing this season. So, again, while Dak has been very good, a dominant running game and an opportunistic defense are the main reasons why they are 4-1.
Besides, if we are looking at just this season, then Dak being 13th in QBR, 19th in pass attempts and 7th in yards per attempt all have to be taken into consideration, yes? :)
I'm not sold on this "KC's problem is defense" argument. The KC defense has always been something less than the Steel Curtain of the 70's; they were winning a lot of 45-42 games two years ago; they were the 2019 version of the '84 Dolphins. They won a Super Bowl by stepping up when it counted and holding a good team to 20 points. Now this year, instead of winning 42-38 to a team like Buffalo, they are losing 38-20 to a Buffalo team.
The fact is, they are NOT running a rodeo offensively this season, and they are NOT winning those games where the D stinks up the house and they WERE winning those games two years ago.
There are two possible reasons that this could be the case.
1) The Chiefs are playing hurt: Now I don’t mean the team is hiding injuries from the league, but the Chiefs have played more football over the past three seasons than any other team, having gone to two Super Bowls and three AFC Championship games. The team could be fatigued. Football is a physically unforgiving sport, and after three years of deep playoff runs, the wear and tear could be catching up and the players’ bodies just might not be able to do as much due to being worn down. If this is the case, an early playoff exit or missing the postseason entirely could be a good thing as it will allow the team to get some rest, which will be especially important now with the extra regular season game.
2) Defenses have figured out better strategies: While I do believe my first point holds water, I think this is the biggest reason for the Chief’s decline this season. Once you have enough game film out there, good teams will have plenty of footage to review and use it to learn how to stop you. Them losing the way they did in Super Bowl 55 was huge for the rest of the league, as Tampa gave the other 30 teams the blueprint for how to stop Mahomes and Co. Now it’s up to Kansas City to fix their defense and start making offensive adjustments, or they risk falling even further from grace.
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I think right now the MVP front runner is a complete tossup between Murray, Allen, Herbert, Jackson, Brady and Prescott. Fortunately we have 13 more weeks to see how this all shakes out. Still plenty of time for any or all of the aforementioned to play themselves out of the race, or for guys like Mahomes, Stafford and Rodgers to play themselves in (or Derrick Henry, if crowning a non QB MVP wasn't such a rarity).
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We are talking about this year right? I get the Murray argument. Herbert and Allen are up there too, but what have Mahomes and Wilson done this year? They're teams are both 2-3 and at/near the bottom of their divisions respectively. Kinda seems since Dak plays for Dallas, that he doesn't get the respect and recognition he deserves. Just sayin'... :dunno:
I think KC and Seattle having the two worst defenses in the league has a little to do with that, no? Dallas ' defense ins't great either and gives up a lot of yards, but have forced the 2nd most turnovers. Dallas also has TWO of the top 10 RBs in rushing this season. So, again, while Dak has been very good, a dominant running game and an opportunistic defense are the main reasons why they are 4-1.
Besides, if we are looking at just this season, then Dak being 13th in QBR, 19th in pass attempts and 7th in yards per attempt all have to be taken into consideration, yes? :)
I'm not sold on this "KC's problem is defense" argument. The KC defense has always been something less than the Steel Curtain of the 70's; they were winning a lot of 45-42 games two years ago; they were the 2019 version of the '84 Dolphins. They won a Super Bowl by stepping up when it counted and holding a good team to 20 points. Now this year, instead of winning 42-38 to a team like Buffalo, they are losing 38-20 to a Buffalo team.
The fact is, they are NOT running a rodeo offensively this season, and they are NOT winning those games where the D stinks up the house and they WERE winning those games two years ago.
Okay, I will rephrase: KC's defense is their biggest problem. Yes, the offense has their issues at the moment, and yet they are still putting up over 30 a game, but the defense is allowing 33 points a game. It is unrealistic to expect any offense to overcome a defense giving up 33 a game. And if we just want to ignore the stats and just do the eyeball test, they fail big time there. Their defense just looks atrocious. The Bills were gashing them last week and there was little resistance more often than not.
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That was both an epic comeback by the Ravens AND an epic choke by the Colts.
I will never understand these coaches who get gutless in key moments. The Colts had moved the ball all night, led the Ravens 25-17 with like 5 minutes or so left, knew the Ravens offense had gotten rolling, and by staying aggressive by both running and throwing the ball the Colts went right down the field and got in borderline FG range (I say borderline because their kicker apparently was not totally healthy), so what do they do? Get conservative, run the ball on every down, lose 2 yards on the three plays, and have to attempt a FG on 4th and 12...and the FG is blocked. :lol :lol When that FG was blocked, I said it then, the Ravens are winning this game. You can't bungle moments like that against a team that has gotten that much momentum on the other side of the ball.
Can't agree more with the above, especially with the issues the kicker was having that night, and that they couldn't play defense in the 2nd half.
Would have really enjoyed the Browns-Chargers, but our affiliate didn't carry the AFC game. Our late game was Cowboys-Giants :tdwn
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That was both an epic comeback by the Ravens AND an epic choke by the Colts.
I will never understand these coaches who get gutless in key moments. The Colts had moved the ball all night, led the Ravens 25-17 with like 5 minutes or so left, knew the Ravens offense had gotten rolling, and by staying aggressive by both running and throwing the ball the Colts went right down the field and got in borderline FG range (I say borderline because their kicker apparently was not totally healthy), so what do they do? Get conservative, run the ball on every down, lose 2 yards on the three plays, and have to attempt a FG on 4th and 12...and the FG is blocked. :lol :lol When that FG was blocked, I said it then, the Ravens are winning this game. You can't bungle moments like that against a team that has gotten that much momentum on the other side of the ball.
Can't agree more with the above, especially with the issues the kicker was having that night, and that they couldn't play defense in the 2nd half.
Would have really enjoyed the Browns-Chargers, but our affiliate didn't carry the AFC game. Our late game was Cowboys-Giants :tdwn
Cowboys/Giants being the NFL late game of the week instead of 49ers/Cardinals just shows how much power Jerry Jones has and what a negative that can be for NFL fans. Yes, the Cowboys playing the crappy ass Giants needs to be the game of the week instead of the only undefeated team taking on a 2-2 team from their own division. That was the only game on here in the late afternoon and I didn't even turn it on. I know, I know, the Cowboys get ratings, and that is why they get the game of the week so much, but it's a sham that fans do not often get the best games on television as a result.
Case in point again this week: why is the number 1 CBS team (Nantz and Romo) doing Dallas vs 2-3 New England, when they also have the 4-1 Chargers playing the 4-1 Ravens? Stupid.
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We are talking about this year right? I get the Murray argument. Herbert and Allen are up there too, but what have Mahomes and Wilson done this year? They're teams are both 2-3 and at/near the bottom of their divisions respectively. Kinda seems since Dak plays for Dallas, that he doesn't get the respect and recognition he deserves. Just sayin'... :dunno:
I think KC and Seattle having the two worst defenses in the league has a little to do with that, no? Dallas ' defense ins't great either and gives up a lot of yards, but have forced the 2nd most turnovers. Dallas also has TWO of the top 10 RBs in rushing this season. So, again, while Dak has been very good, a dominant running game and an opportunistic defense are the main reasons why they are 4-1.
Besides, if we are looking at just this season, then Dak being 13th in QBR, 19th in pass attempts and 7th in yards per attempt all have to be taken into consideration, yes? :)
I'm not sold on this "KC's problem is defense" argument. The KC defense has always been something less than the Steel Curtain of the 70's; they were winning a lot of 45-42 games two years ago; they were the 2019 version of the '84 Dolphins. They won a Super Bowl by stepping up when it counted and holding a good team to 20 points. Now this year, instead of winning 42-38 to a team like Buffalo, they are losing 38-20 to a Buffalo team.
The fact is, they are NOT running a rodeo offensively this season, and they are NOT winning those games where the D stinks up the house and they WERE winning those games two years ago.
Okay, I will rephrase: KC's defense is their biggest problem. Yes, the offense has their issues at the moment, and yet they are still putting up over 30 a game, but the defense is allowing 33 points a game. It is unrealistic to expect any offense to overcome a defense giving up 33 a game. And if we just want to ignore the stats and just do the eyeball test, they fail big time there. Their defense just looks atrocious. The Bills were gashing them last week and there was little resistance more often than not.
I don't disagree with any of that, really, except to say, when people were annointing Mahomes as the greatest thing since sliced bread, the iPod and the Model T, none of that was a factor. He's come back down to reality and now the real fun begins. I'm still excited if I'm a Chiefs fan, but it's reality now.
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Stats don't tell the whole story. If you see a team and how they rally around their QB's leadership and they are all better for it, that's the dynamic that really counts. Stats are just two dimensional.
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At least the Chargers and Rams are doing good, at least I got that.
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A lot of talk about the taunting call at the end of the game last night. The call seemed mostly right but.. what exactly is the point of this rule? Players jaw and eye each other all the time and they keep talking smack, really weird rule to include or enforce rigorously this year.
And Bucs secondary injuries keep piling up. Playing 3 games in the span of 11 days doesn't help.
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The taunting call was bad, especially since Fournette popped in and make contact with him first, but not sure it mattered. It just meant that the Bucs likely run the clock out with the benefit of those 15 yards.
I was amused at the official trying to stop an Eagle defender from blocking Tom Brady in the middle of a live play after an INT. As if we needed more proof that TB12 is protected like no other. :lol :lol :lol
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A lot of talk about the taunting call at the end of the game last night. The call seemed mostly right but.. what exactly is the point of this rule? Players jaw and eye each other all the time and they keep talking smack, really weird rule to include or enforce rigorously this year.
And Bucs secondary injuries keep piling up. Playing 3 games in the span of 11 days doesn't help.
I'm with you on that; there's no doubt that was the right call under the rule, but it seems so... unnecessary in the grand scheme of things.
And whether it ACTUALLY mattered or not is up for debate, but that's why the Eagles are not a good team. Don't take the chance. You've got a game to win, and you're not helping your team in that situation.
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The taunting call was bad, especially since Fournette popped in and make contact with him first, but not sure it mattered. It just meant that the Bucs likely run the clock out with the benefit of those 15 yards.
I was amused at the official trying to stop an Eagle defender from blocking Tom Brady in the middle of a live play after an INT. As if we needed more proof that TB12 is protected like no other. :lol :lol :lol
Were there two incidents like that? Because I saw the CENTER come over and help Brady - which is his job - but I don't recall seeing a ref do that.
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Oh yeah the ref did. Though in all honesty you hit any QB a penalty would be called.
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Mahomes just made a really bad decision and threw an awful INT.
*cues the bat signal for Bill*
:P :P
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(https://i.imgur.com/JMklId4.jpg)
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The Pats/Cowboys game has been nuts so far.
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The Pats/Cowboys game has been nuts so far.
💯
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What does that mean?
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Meanwhile, the Broncos are getting it handed to them at home by a Raiders team that has had a nightmare of a week and change. Vic Fangio is the worst head coach in NFL history. :censored :censored
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What does that mean?
You're 100% correct you old bastard
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Meanwhile, the Broncos are getting it handed to them at home by a Raiders team that has had a nightmare of a week and change. Vic Fangio is the worst head coach in NFL history. :censored :censored
Maybe it was Gruden that sucked.
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How can the Cowboys' receivers be so fucking open?
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Meanwhile, the Broncos are getting it handed to them at home by a Raiders team that has had a nightmare of a week and change. Vic Fangio is the worst head coach in NFL history. :censored :censored
Maybe it was Gruden that sucked.
No, it's Fangio. He is supposed to be a defensive guy, yet they gotten eaten alive last week by Old Big Ben and today can't stop the Raiders and their cast of no-name WRs.
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How can the Cowboys' receivers be so fucking open?
Dak's leadership is getting them open. ;)
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I don't get that, but sure. Maybe that's it.
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I don't get that, but sure. Maybe that's it.
Dallas weapons everywhere, and a very good QB to get them the ball. Cooper can be mr. inconsistent, but is really good when he feels like playing, and Lamb is an emerging star. Throw in their underrated TE and those two RBs and they are a tough offense for anyone to slow down.
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I still can't believe we are in this game. The possession time is ridiculous.
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Awful.
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Wow, what a crazy sequence. The Hoodie wishing he still had Cam. :P
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Cam finally got vaccinated!
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WTF?? :lol :lol
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Holy ball sack!!
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I'm coming to you Elizabeth.
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NE was too conservative with their play calling in OT. They hadn't stopped Dallas all day, so being aggressive should have been the goal when they got the ball first instead of the "let's run it on 1st and 2nd down and hope we convert a 3rd down" philosophy. Josh McDaniels is overrated.
Great game by Dak. That was an MVP performance.
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The Pats are going to be M. R. Nasty next year. That’s not fanboy, that’s the reality that teams that do well in close games often turn the corner the next season. They are playing good teams well, and that’s going to pay off.
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Making plays vs. Not making plays. It's as easy as that.
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I'm coming to you Elizabeth.
You kill me, Fred. 😊
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:lol
The truth hurts. :lol
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That game was a killer.
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NE was too conservative with their play calling in OT. They hadn't stopped Dallas all day, so being aggressive should have been the goal when they got the ball first instead of the "let's run it on 1st and 2nd down and hope we convert a 3rd down" philosophy.
I agree.
Josh McDaniels is overrated.
I disagree.
The Pats are going to be M. R. Nasty next year. That’s not fanboy, that’s the reality that teams that do well in close games often turn the corner the next season. They are playing good teams well, and that’s going to pay off.
I don't know what M.R. Nasty is, but every week I see something that encourages me. Today McCorkle showed visible annoyance at Bill calling a timeout in a situation he thought he had under control. That's confidence. I don't see this kid being a bust, and that bodes very well for NE if they put together another good draft.
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M.R. Nasty is something one of my friends always says; it's a play on Mr. Nasty, but I don't know any more than that.
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Well, I didn't have to watch the Jets lose this week and that Seattle 1st round pick we got in the Jamal Adams trade keeps looking better.
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Well, I didn't have to watch the Jets lose this week and that Seattle 1st round pick we got in the Jamal Adams trade keeps looking better.
Still get to see Wilson at the top of the INT board though even when they didn't play one week :lol
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Well, I didn't have to watch the Jets lose this week and that Seattle 1st round pick we got in the Jamal Adams trade keeps looking better.
Still get to see Wilson at the top of the INT board though even when they didn't play one week :lol
Shhhhhhhhhh just let me have this :lol
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Meanwhile, the Broncos are getting it handed to them at home by a Raiders team that has had a nightmare of a week and change. Vic Fangio is the worst head coach in NFL history. :censored :censored
First Broncos game I've gotten to see this season, and they laid a big steaming turd. Ugh....
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Well, Mac Jones just had a game where he led 2 go-ahead drives in the 4th quarter and still lost. Never happened to his predecessor in 350 starts. Sorry Mac, no horseshoes for you! Also, you didn't will the defense to make a stop in OT.
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That's your take from the game? Kid is doing well for a rookie.. The D couldn't get off the field. That's why they lost.
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That's your take from the game? Kid is doing well for a rookie.. The D couldn't get off the field. That's why they lost.
People seem to forget that Brady was CARRIED by his defense his first few seasons before he developed into the greatest QB of all time. Mac Jones doesn’t have the luxury of being able to lean on his defense the way Brady did early in his career. Mac is doing very well for the situation he’s in and with pieces around him he’ll become a great player in this league.
Also I hate you guys for making me defend the Patriots…
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:lol
Very true. Not all true rookies come out of the gates great. Look at Troy Aikman's 1st season as an example.
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That's your take from the game? Kid is doing well for a rookie.. The D couldn't get off the field. That's why they lost.
It's kind of hard to tell, but I think Dream Team was sarcastically defending Mac (or dumping on Brady).
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Dumping on N.E. that they don't have Brady to bail them out. Of course he did. I don't expect that from a rookie.
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That's your take from the game? Kid is doing well for a rookie.. The D couldn't get off the field. That's why they lost.
It's kind of hard to tell, but I think Dream Team was sarcastically defending Mac (or dumping on Brady).
If Dream Team's lips were moving, he was dumping on Brady. ;) :)
Can't speak for anyone else, but I'm rather satisfied with Mac Jones at this point in his career. Yeah, he's not perfect, but he's doing things I like to see. He's tough in the pocket, he's getting to his 3rd and even 4th reads... once he gets the full game plan, it's going to be fun being a Pats fan again.
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They had to burn a timeout in the 4th quarter and you could see Mac pissed off at the player who caused it so he knew where that player should have lined up.
That's a vet understanding.
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Rams and Raiders!!! :metal :metal :metal
I thought the Chargers game would be closer than that. Still work to do.
All you Seahawks haters won't have to worry about them this year. ::) :loser:
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Meanwhile, the Broncos are getting it handed to them at home by a Raiders team that has had a nightmare of a week and change. Vic Fangio is the worst head coach in NFL history. :censored :censored
Well, as much as I can sympathize with your plight after 3 straight loses, I think Dan Campbell has him beat. Cried like a baby at the press conference last week and this week he throws Goff under the bus. The guy is a mondo loser. :loser:
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Meanwhile, the Broncos are getting it handed to them at home by a Raiders team that has had a nightmare of a week and change. Vic Fangio is the worst head coach in NFL history. :censored :censored
Well, as much as I can sympathize with your plight after 3 straight loses, I think Dan Campbell has him beat. Cried like a baby at the press conference last week and this week he throws Goff under the bus. The guy is a mondo loser. :loser:
I wonder how all that kneecap biting is working out.
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When I was 8 years old we took a trip to Florida and we visited my Dad’s cousins . They bought me some gifts. A Miami Dolphins looseleaf book for school , a Dolphins football and a jersey, #42 Paul Warfield . I didn’t know much about football at that age but they explained that was their team so I’ve followed them ever since . Growing up in NY I caught plenty of hell from all my friends who were Jet fans. but the Marino years sure were some great times !
FF to now , been living in South Florida for 17 years , still a Dolphins fan but I am totally disgusted with this team and unfortunately have been for quite some time …I used to be so upset when they lost, now I expect it . They lose their home opener to a division rival 35 -0 , and now lose to an 0-5 team ..A one time proud organization, then became an average team and now they aren’t even an average team … Any other long time suffering Dolphins fans that want to chat , send me a message.
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Meanwhile, the Broncos are getting it handed to them at home by a Raiders team that has had a nightmare of a week and change. Vic Fangio is the worst head coach in NFL history. :censored :censored
First Broncos game I've gotten to see this season, and they laid a big steaming turd. Ugh....
They are wasting this roster with an awful coach and not having a franchise QB. Teddy is a solid QB, but not a guy who can win without everything around him in good shape. If you get the coach and the QB right, you always have a chance. If you can't get either right, you are screwed. And that has been the Broncos since Manning retired and Kubiak stepped down.
Meanwhile, the Broncos are getting it handed to them at home by a Raiders team that has had a nightmare of a week and change. Vic Fangio is the worst head coach in NFL history. :censored :censored
Well, as much as I can sympathize with your plight after 3 straight loses, I think Dan Campbell has him beat. Cried like a baby at the press conference last week and this week he throws Goff under the bus. The guy is a mondo loser. :loser:
Campbell's fatal flaw is expecting more out of Jared Goff. McVay squeezed everything good he could out of Goff and then bailed the second a better option became available.
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What a finish tonight.
D. Henry should probably be the MVP, but good luck getting the voters to give to a RB in 2021.
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What a finish tonight.
D. Henry should probably be the MVP, but good luck getting the voters to give to a RB in 2021.
He 100% should be the MVP. Nobody is on his level, and the Titans would be a laughingstock without him.
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Well, I didn't have to watch the Jets lose this week and that Seattle 1st round pick we got in the Jamal Adams trade keeps looking better.
According to his intro on the Sunday Night game, Jamal Adams is "the best in the world."
After 6 games, his stat line is: 0 sacks, 0 hurries, 0 interceptions, and 0 passes defended. I have no idea how PFF works, but they have him ranked as the 59th safety in the league.
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D.K. Metcalf is a moron, in a couple of ways. (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/10/18/d-k-metcalf-bristles-at-criticism-from-shannon-sharpe-over-failing-to-get-out-of-bounds/)
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D.K. Metcalf is a moron, in a couple of ways. (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/10/18/d-k-metcalf-bristles-at-criticism-from-shannon-sharpe-over-failing-to-get-out-of-bounds/)
Who remembers last year when Metcalf whined about not getting the ball in the playoffs, so the Seahawks called a play that telegraphed Wilson passing to him, and the Rams picked it off for a touchdown.
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D.K. Metcalf is a moron, in a couple of ways. (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/10/18/d-k-metcalf-bristles-at-criticism-from-shannon-sharpe-over-failing-to-get-out-of-bounds/)
Who remembers last year when Metcalf whined about not getting the ball in the playoffs, so the Seahawks called a play that telegraphed Wilson passing to him, and the Rams picked it off for a touchdown.
Ooh! Ooh! I do! I do! ;):):)
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Metcalf reminds me of Odell Beckham: an all-world talent at WR who is a total idiot. Odds are he will be his own worst enemy, just like Beckham has been.
And trying to trash talk Shannon Sharpe is almost always a losing proposition. :lol :lol
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Some local radio guys were talking about that, one of them thought maybe he actually had no idea who Shannon Sharpe was. It's not like he is Red Grange; Sharpe played in to the 2000s, right?
Also heard on the radio the Seahawks had some talks with Cam Newton, and that he had at some point dated Russell Wilson's wife Ciara. Reports say if they sign Cam, this could be a distraction, not only on the practice field, but also at the Homecoming Dance and in geometry class.
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Some local radio guys were talking about that, one of them thought maybe he actually had no idea who Shannon Sharpe was. It's not like he is Red Grange; Sharpe played in to the 2000s, right?
Also heard on the radio the Seahawks had some talks with Cam Newton, and that he had at some point dated Russell Wilson's wife Ciara. Reports say if they sign Cam, this could be a distraction, not only on the practice field, but also at the Homecoming Dance and in geometry class.
I get you're the messenger, but I find that hard to believe; Sharpe is a Hall of Famer, and has been consistently around the game since his retirement. I guess anything is possible, but still. Plus, I've met Sharpe - on a plane - and he's not a wallflower sort of guy. If he's around a camp or whatever, doing his press thing, you know he's there.
As for the Cam Newton thing, that, to me, is "Cam NewtonTM" in a nutshell; it's NEVER just about the football. There is always SOMETHING with that guy.
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When I was 8 years old we took a trip to Florida and we visited my Dad’s cousins . They bought me some gifts. A Miami Dolphins looseleaf book for school , a Dolphins football and a jersey, #42 Paul Warfield . I didn’t know much about football at that age but they explained that was their team so I’ve followed them ever since . Growing up in NY I caught plenty of hell from all my friends who were Jet fans. but the Marino years sure were some great times !
FF to now , been living in South Florida for 17 years , still a Dolphins fan but I am totally disgusted with this team and unfortunately have been for quite some time …I used to be so upset when they lost, now I expect it . They lose their home opener to a division rival 35 -0 , and now lose to an 0-5 team ..A one time proud organization, then became an average team and now they aren’t even an average team … Any other long time suffering Dolphins fans that want to chat , send me a message.
Well, not a Dolphins fan, a Jets fan. I guess at least you know that your fate would have been exactly the same had you given into the peer pressure and listened to your friends.
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Stupid play by him. But even stupider to respond to Sharpe that way after being rightfully called out. That's a situation where the correct response is something along the lines of, "Yeah, I probably should have just gone right out of bounds, but I was trying to get a few more yards for our kicker, and I thought that since I was right there on the sidelines, I could still easily get out of bounds in time," or "I knew the play and knew what I was supposed to do, but in that split second, I just reacted and made the wrong decision," or something like that.
He's just an idiot who can't own his own mistakes. As another example, there was also this beauty:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTmqleYLURo
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SMH
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SMH
At which part?
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SMH
At which part?
That clip you posted. I had not seen that before.
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As if we needed more proof that Vic Fangio is the worst, the Browns are missing their two stud RBs and are still ripping through the Broncos like shit through a goose.
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No Broncos gear will be worn by this lifelong Broncos fan until that incompetent is removed as head coach. He is the worst head coach in NFL history.
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I feel bad for Teddy Bridgewater. His injuries are affecting the accuracy and strength of those deep passes. He's a fighter and he's trying to do what he can but it's just not going to happen.
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Nice to see the Browns come away with a gut check win last night. So glad they're deep at RB. I'm hearing Mayfield could be out for the season, so it was nice to see Keenum step up and play an efficient game. If the defense wasn't so schizophrenic, they'd be 6-1 right now.
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Nice to see the Browns come away with a gut check win last night. So glad they're deep at RB. I'm hearing Mayfield could be out for the season, so it was nice to see Keenum step up and play an efficient game. If the defense wasn't so schizophrenic, they'd be 6-1 right now.
Not much of a drop-off from Mayfield to Keenum to be honest. Getting their stud RBs back is far more important, as is getting their O-line healthy. Their line, Chubb and Hunt are what make that offense go.
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I feel bad for Teddy Bridgewater. His injuries are affecting the accuracy and strength of those deep passes. He's a fighter and he's trying to do what he can but it's just not going to happen.
He should have stayed with the Saints and Sean Payton.
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As good as the Chiefs offense is, what they are clearly lacking is a good slot WR. Seems like all of their WRs are fast, smaller guys, meaning they have no slot-type WRs who can be relied on to get catch a short pass and turn a 3rd and 6 into a 1st down, Kelce is obviously awesome, but he is more of a "once he gets going, he can be tough to get down" kind of player, unlike your average slot WR who can be quick in small spaces and get those tough yards.
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Whenever I think it can’t get any worse, the Patriots are always there to push the knife in deeper.
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Looks like the Bengals are definitely for real. Joe Burrow is a good one, so long as he stays healthy.
Meanwhile, the Chiefs look dead in the water.
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Whenever I think it can’t get any worse, the Patriots are always there to push the knife in deeper.
Look on the bright side...the Mike White Era has begun.
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Sheesh lots of close games this week.
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Whenever I think it can’t get any worse, the Patriots are always there to push the knife in deeper.
Look on the bright side...the Mike White Era has begun.
Thanks. That makes me feel much better…
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Whenever I think it can’t get any worse, the Patriots are always there to push the knife in deeper.
Look on the bright side...the Mike White Era has begun.
Thanks. That makes me feel much better…
It should. No pussy headband on him. :lol
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So funny to see a dome team and a California team play in a little weather tonight. WTF? It looks like a preseason game with 3rd stringers playing on each side.
And just as I hit Save, #19 for SF promptly fumbles after a catch.. :lol
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Our idiots at the local NBC affiliate have interrupted practically the entire game for a constant weather update about a tornado that is an hour away from the STL metro area. Idiots. They are getting crushed on social media, but I doubt they care. I am sure rain and tornadoes are like catnip to this weatherman who likes hearing the sound of his own voice way too much. :lol :lol
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Might be time for you to evacuate the mobile home. :P
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:lol :lol
Fortunately, my new condo has an upstairs and a downstairs, so I can head downstairs if need be, as I type this upstairs where it is less safe. :lol In other words, if I suddenly stop posting forever, a tornado probably killed me. :eek :eek :P :P
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Give my regards to Ronnie Dio. :lol
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:tup :tup
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Our idiots at the local NBC affiliate have interrupted practically the entire game for a constant weather update about a tornado that is an hour away from the STL metro area. Idiots. They are getting crushed on social media, but I doubt they care. I am sure rain and tornadoes are like catnip to this weatherman who likes hearing the sound of his own voice way too much. :lol :lol
A: That's why you stream football.
B: You're missing some really shitty football.
C: Frank Reich is a offensive genius. What a gameplan! "Guys, I've got this great scheme drawn up. Just throw 40 yard jump balls and get PI penalties. It can't fail!" :lol
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Give my regards to Ronnie Dio. :lol
HAHA, I just choked on my coffee..... :)
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Our idiots at the local NBC affiliate have interrupted practically the entire game for a constant weather update about a tornado that is an hour away from the STL metro area. Idiots. They are getting crushed on social media, but I doubt they care. I am sure rain and tornadoes are like catnip to this weatherman who likes hearing the sound of his own voice way too much. :lol :lol
A: That's why you stream football.
B: You're missing some really shitty football.
C: Frank Reich is a offensive genius. What a gameplan! "Guys, I've got this great scheme drawn up. Just throw 40 yard jump balls and get PI penalties. It can't fail!" :lol
I don't know about "offensive genius", but I like him. He seems to have his guys ready, and he seems to have the wherewithal to make adjustments. His defense was overly aggressive at the start, and the Niners took advantage of that, but they seemed to get more patient as the game went on, and it didn't look like the Niners were able to adjust in kind.
That's a game the Niners should have won. I would have liked to have been in that locker room after the game.
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Our idiots at the local NBC affiliate have interrupted practically the entire game for a constant weather update about a tornado that is an hour away from the STL metro area. Idiots. They are getting crushed on social media, but I doubt they care. I am sure rain and tornadoes are like catnip to this weatherman who likes hearing the sound of his own voice way too much. :lol :lol
A: That's why you stream football.
I've been streaming SNF on Hulu for that last 2 weeks because the assholes at NBC pulled their channel from Dish. :\
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That's a game the Niners should have won. I would have liked to have been in that locker room after the game.
Shanahan getting them to the Super Bowl three years after they were 2-14 was impressive as hell, but his overall record as their head coach is now 31-39 (and that is with counting the 13-3 record in 2018). That is simply not good enough. I wonder if he will survive this if they limp to another under .500 season, or if he will be given one more season to see if he and Trey Lance can make it happen together and win some games.
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That's a game the Niners should have won. I would have liked to have been in that locker room after the game.
Shanahan getting them to the Super Bowl three years after they were 2-14 was impressive as hell, but his overall record as their head coach is now 31-39 (and that is with counting the 13-3 record in 2018). That is simply not good enough. I wonder if he will survive this if they limp to another under .500 season, or if he will be given one more season to see if he and Trey Lance can make it happen together and win some games.
I think you've got to give Shanahan+Lance an opportunity, but not a particularly long one. He deserves the chance to incorporate him into his scheme, but you can't lose sight of the fact that Lance is longterm and Shanahan is but one possibility.
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That's a game the Niners should have won. I would have liked to have been in that locker room after the game.
Shanahan getting them to the Super Bowl three years after they were 2-14 was impressive as hell, but his overall record as their head coach is now 31-39 (and that is with counting the 13-3 record in 2018). That is simply not good enough. I wonder if he will survive this if they limp to another under .500 season, or if he will be given one more season to see if he and Trey Lance can make it happen together and win some games.
I think you've got to give Shanahan+Lance an opportunity, but not a particularly long one. He deserves the chance to incorporate him into his scheme, but you can't lose sight of the fact that Lance is longterm and Shanahan is but one possibility.
Agreed. If Lance is good, I have no doubt that Shanahan could get them to win a lot, as look at his record with Jimmy G starting vs when he does not start. The difference is staggering. And Jimmy G has merely been a good (but not great) QB for most his SF tenure when healthy, so imagine if Shanahan got himself a QB who is great.
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Power Rankings (Week 8 Edition!)
01 Arizona Cardinals - 7-0 and have three impressive road beatdowns (Titans, Rams, Browns)
02 Tampa Bay Buccaneers - defense finally looked good, and the offense is so loaded that they didn't even miss two former All-Pros against a very good Bears defense
03 Los Angeles Rams - defense and special teams both look a bit suspect, as does their snake oil owner
04 Buffalo Bills - their best might be as good as anyone's, and they need to take advantage of that bad division and coast to the 1 seed
05 Dallas Cowboys - the team that many love to root against has a real shot at their first NFCCG since the beginning of Bill Clinton's 2nd term
06 Tennessee Titans - the loss against the Jets was ugly, but back to back wins against the Bills and Chiefs was damn impressive
07 Green Bay Packers - they still feel a bit like Aaron Rodgers or bust, but he can carry a team a long way
08 Cincinnati Bengals - a team on the rise, and winning like that at Baltimore made a big statement
09 Baltimore Ravens - hard team to figure out; they've destroyed the Chargers and beaten the Chiefs (before they were a mess), yet needed a miracle to beat both the Lions and Colts, and just got mauled at home
10 Los Angeles Chargers - their poor run defense will likely prevent them from going all the way this year, but they could be a year away from being a top contender
Top 5 MVP candidates
01 Derrick Henry
02 Kyler Murray
03 Lamar Jackson
04 Tom Brady
05 Dak Prescott
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This Packers Cardinals game ending is insane.
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And the ‘72 Dolphins pop their champagne.
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Looks like I get to talk a little smack today at work since I had a fun, spirited debate with two co-workers yesterday and said that the Packers +6 was easy money and that GB would probably win the game. :coolio :coolio
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Man, the Packers-Cardinals game was stressful
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LOL Cards. :lol No matter how good they are, they'll eventually always find a way to fuck it up. The Packers were let off the hook. Dennis Green is rolling over in his grave. :\
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They used to call them the Cardiac Cards but usually winning games.
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I had about a 20 second window where I thought of changing my pick in the Pick 'Em to the Packers (with JJ Watt out) but I thought "better" of it. Then I regretted it deeply from about 5:00 minutes left to about 2:00 minutes left, then I breathed a sigh of relief, only to swing back to regret at 0:13. :) Good football, but that shows me that both teams have a little to learn about the "killer instinct". Rogers didn't have control of his team in that last 3:00, and I'm sorry, this is going to sound mean, but Kyler Murray, while he played well, has to be more mentally tough. He is a supreme athlete but seems a bit immature as a leader.
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The Packers started the game without their top 3 WR’s, their LT, their top LB, and their top CB.
Pretty impressive win.
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LOL Cards. :lol No matter how good they are, they'll eventually always find a way to fuck it up. The Packers were let off the hook. Dennis Green is rolling over in his grave. :\
Actually, considering that the overturn of the GB TD with about 4 minutes left was more than a bit questionable, I would say the ending was justice for that bad decision to overturn the score.
The people who really got screwed were all of those who had the over of 50.5 total points. If that GB TD stands, as it should have, or the Cardinals score a FG or TD at the end there, the game goes over the total (unless neither team scores in OT or one team won it with a safety in OT :lol). That was a bad beat.
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The Packers started the game without their top 3 WR’s, their LT, their top LB, and their top CB.
Pretty impressive win.
I personally don't think the win was impressive. On the last play, the receiver got so mixed up that he didn't even turn around because if he did, He probably catches the TD. But the int. was a good play.
GB stole a game but that's sometimes that's how you do it in the NFL.
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The Browns-Steelers game is absolutely insufferable. Every commercial break begins with Nothing Else Matters and Keep On Loving You, and often ends with it, too. At most it's every five minutes, and generally more like 3. I didn't like NEM when Metallica did it and I don't like it when whoever this chick is, possibly Lady Gaga, sings it. And my dislike of KoLY goes back to the early 80s when it was played damn near as frequently on every station in town.
And it's MLB and NCAA, so it's not like they're going to run out of advertising money.
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Just in case this post was missed last week..
Look on the bright side...the Mike White Era has begun.
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If Mike White becomes the next dominant QB in the AFC East because the Pats injured Zach Wilson I will never stop laughing :lol :lol
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If Mike White becomes the next dominant QB in the AFC East because the Pats injured Zach Wilson I will never stop laughing :lol :lol
It would be justice for Mo Lewis.
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If Mike White becomes the next dominant QB in the AFC East because the Pats injured Zach Wilson I will never stop laughing :lol :lol
It would be justice for Mo Lewis.
That was my first thought after reading Axeman's post as well. :lol
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Another winnable game where penalties and fumbles will cost the Pats. And their red zone offence still blows. Mac is all over the place today. This has been his worst game yet.
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Another winnable game where penalties and fumbles will cost the Pats. And their red zone offence still blows. Mac is all over the place today. This has been his worst game yet.
They won't commit to the run. If you run for 4+ yards every single attempt you can't lose, unless you don't run.
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Another winnable game where penalties and fumbles will cost the Pats. And their red zone offence still blows. Mac is all over the place today. This has been his worst game yet.
They won't commit to the run. If you run for 4+ yards every single attempt you can't lose, unless you don't run.
That's true.
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Lost in the hoopla over the Jets win is that the Bengals were absolutely robbed of the opportunity to get the ball back at the end thanks to an atrocious call after the Bengals had stopped the Jets on 3rd and long. The defender aimed for the stomach, but the receiver with the ball lowered his helmet and the defender gets flagged. What an utter joke.
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Lost in the hoopla over the Jets win is that the Bengals were absolutely robbed of the opportunity to get the ball back at the end thanks to an atrocious call after the Bengals had stopped the Jets on 3rd and long. The defender aimed for the stomach, but the receiver with the ball lowered his helmet and the defender gets flagged. What an utter joke.
More like an udder joke.
I'm sorry.
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Lost in the hoopla over the Jets win is that the Bengals were absolutely robbed of the opportunity to get the ball back at the end thanks to an atrocious call after the Bengals had stopped the Jets on 3rd and long. The defender aimed for the stomach, but the receiver with the ball lowered his helmet and the defender gets flagged. What an utter joke.
I don't think it's "lost" at all, it's been mentioned in every highlight I've seen even ones that are like no more than 10 seconds long.
My take is not especially a homer one either: it's NEVER just one call. The Jets played an incredible game against a good team, with a QB they picked off the practice squad to boot.
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Yeah, it was definitely a charitable call to say the least. That said, the Bengals had no business being in the position they were in going into that play.
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I was typing up a sarcastic reply about how dull it must be for Brady to have a full 1:40 to win the game. Then he goes and chokes it all away with a butt-ugly pick-6. :lol
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Peyton is lucky as hell. WTF with not running on that last possession?
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Brady chokes in the clutch.
:P :P
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Brady chokes in the clutch.
:P :P
:lol
Reading this never gets old.
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Division games are always difficult no matter the record but the Bucs offense still doesn't seem to have found its full rhythm yet. Defense penalties are way too many right call or not. Shrug, would have been nice going with the W into the bye.
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Division games are always difficult no matter the record but the Bucs offense still doesn't seem to have found its full rhythm yet. Defense penalties are way too many right call or not. Shrug, would have been nice going with the W into the bye.
You know they lead the league in scoring, right?
I would say their offense is just fine. In fact, their offense is so loaded that they can lose a couple of All-Pros and it doesn't even matter. They still put up 27 against a really good NO D. Brady looked old today, but he has looked old for years every time anyone can get consistent pressure on him. Most teams cannot.
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Get pressure on any QB nd they look bad though.
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Get pressure on any QB nd they look bad though.
...and old, apparently, according to Kev.
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Division games are always difficult no matter the record but the Bucs offense still doesn't seem to have found its full rhythm yet. Defense penalties are way too many right call or not. Shrug, would have been nice going with the W into the bye.
You know they lead the league in scoring, right?
I would say their offense is just fine. In fact, their offense is so loaded that they can lose a couple of All-Pros and it doesn't even matter. They still put up 27 against a really good NO D. Brady looked old today, but he has looked old for years every time anyone can get consistent pressure on him. Most teams cannot.
Of course, as a homer I'm overreacting, they are loaded with weapons on offense. Which is also why when they don't get it right and leave points on the field, doesn't matter if they're the league leaders, the win is what matters more.
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Thanks to fellow Central Michigan alumnus Cooper Rush, I haven't been this excited about a Cowboy victory since, uh ...Gary Hogeboom was their quarterback.
Fire Up, Chips!
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Lot of LOL today for sure. Didn’t see the game, was the hit on Winston dirty? Second year in a row for TB injuring Saints’ QB. Absolutely paved the way for TB to win the SB as Brees never fully recovered.
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Another winnable game where penalties and fumbles will cost the Pats. And their red zone offence still blows. Mac is all over the place today. This has been his worst game yet.
They won't commit to the run. If you run for 4+ yards every single attempt you can't lose, unless you don't run.
That's true.
I only saw the last six minutes or so, but he looked GOOD on that last drive (where they DID run the ball extensively). Pats players laying down in the field, smart ball management... I loved what I saw.
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Thanks to fellow Central Michigan alumnus Cooper Rush, I haven't been this excited about a Cowboy victory since, uh ...Gary Hogeboom was their quarterback.
Fire Up, Chips!
This was the week for the backup QB that's for sure. Cooper Rush to Amari Cooper. Last year it Andy Dalton to Dalton Schultz.
That sucks about Derrick Henry!
Looks like Carson Wentz and Sam Darnold are what they are.........
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Thanks to fellow Central Michigan alumnus Cooper Rush, I haven't been this excited about a Cowboy victory since, uh ...Gary Hogeboom was their quarterback.
Fire Up, Chips!
This was the week for the backup QB that's for sure. Cooper Rush to Amari Cooper. Last year it Andy Dalton to Dalton Schultz.
That sucks about Derrick Henry!
Looks like Carson Wentz and Sam Darnold are what they are.........
What's with Carson Wentz and those bad interceptions? I'm talking about those little flips when he gets in trouble and basically hands the ball to the defense closing in. That's two in two weeks (or two in three weeks, but still two too many).
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That sucks about Derrick Henry!
Every year there's an injury that really bums me out. Not because I care about the player or the team, but because it's a giant loss for good football. A great player having a season for the ages and suddenly he's done. This one definitely sucks.
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Thanks to fellow Central Michigan alumnus Cooper Rush, I haven't been this excited about a Cowboy victory since, uh ...Gary Hogeboom was their quarterback.
Fire Up, Chips!
This was the week for the backup QB that's for sure. Cooper Rush to Amari Cooper. Last year it Andy Dalton to Dalton Schultz.
That sucks about Derrick Henry!
Looks like Carson Wentz and Sam Darnold are what they are.........
What's with Carson Wentz and those bad interceptions? I'm talking about those little flips when he gets in trouble and basically hands the ball to the defense closing in. That's two in two weeks (or two in three weeks, but still two too many).
I dunno but it's time to cut and run. I also need to add Jared Goff to that list.
I haven't checked but I think the only QB standing from that draft is the one and only - Dak Prescott!
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Von Miller to the Rams? Holy shit.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/11/01/broncos-trading-von-miller-to-rams/
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Von Miller to the Rams? Holy shit.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/11/01/broncos-trading-von-miller-to-rams/
Just popped back here to post this. Wow...just wow.... Two second or third round picks for a guy who's six years removed from being Super Bowl MVP. Yeesh....
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Brady chokes in the clutch.
:P :P
Yeah, and if Carson Wentz threw the dumbest INT this week, Brady's was the 2nd dumbest on that final drive. Wouldn't matter much to me if I'd picked the Saints to win. :\
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Von Miller to the Rams? Holy shit.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/11/01/broncos-trading-von-miller-to-rams/
Just popped back here to post this. Wow...just wow.... Two second or third round picks for a guy who's six years removed from being Super Bowl MVP. Yeesh....
He's 32 years old and his best years are behind him. Rams are going all in.........
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Good for the Rams.
Panthers end their 4-game losing streak, so that's good, I guess.
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He's 32 years old and his best years are behind him.
He might have something to say about that... :lol He's now is in a scenario where he's probably NOT the guy Olines choose to double. Who will they double? Aaron Donald? Leonard Floyd? Von Miller? LOVE the aggressive move by my Rams!
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The Broncos will still be paying most of Von Miller's salary, so it is a sweet deal for the Rams. They don't need him to be the Von Miller of 2015. They just need him to be healthy and ready to make plays in the playoffs when teams are much more scared of Aaron Donald. It is a bit nauseating to see him go a team owned by the devil that is Stan Kroenke, but such if life in the NFL.
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They should have got more if they had to pay the salary.
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The Rams are all in. That roster is absolutely loaded.
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They should have got more if they had to pay the salary.
A franchise that knows what they are doing would have, but the Broncos have had their heads up their asses for years now.
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What's with Carson Wentz and those bad interceptions? I'm talking about those little flips when he gets in trouble and basically hands the ball to the defense closing in. That's two in two weeks (or two in three weeks, but still two too many).
Wentz has to be kicking himself for those terrible INTs. That game was there for the taking, and had they won it, they'd be 4-4 and only a game behind a Titans team that just lost their best player for the season. Instead, they are essentially four games behind them (three in the standings and the Titans have the tiebreaker now due to winning the season series 2-0), which makes winning the division now a pretty tall order.
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Ha! I didn't get to watch the entire game last night, but I put it on as background; however, I picked the wrong channel and got to see the "Peyton and Eli" version. I will probably not watch the real version of MNF again. That was SO entertaining!
For those that don't know, the game plays on the screen with no announcers, and Peyton and Eli Manning are on the left in little windows, and there's a guest in there with them. Last night it was Michael Strahan first, and later Michael Irvin. They comment on the game in real time and MAN was that a blast. First, both Peyton and Eli are as knowledgeable AF about the game, but have a way of presenting it in a way that makes sense to those of us that don't have a PhD in football. And they ask great questions of their guests. I'm sometimes indifferent on Michael Irvin, but MAN does he have a grasp on the game, plus he's funny, and he's willing to laugh at himself (they were playing clips of his time in Miami).
Really brought some insight to an otherwise lackluster game (the five minutes I saw was basically two average teams trying like hell to give the other side the victory!). I loved at the end when they were panning the crowd and there was ONE GUY in an Eli jersey amongst a sea of orange and Peyton says "hey, Eli, there's your fan!" as if there was only one in existance. :) Also, Michael Irvin looks like he could play tomorrow if a team needed him. He's still built like a brick shithouse at 55.
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I only saw parts of the game, but it's clear that the Chiefs are simply not very good this year. Mahomes doesn't even look like the same QB. That INT he threw was atrocious, and he threw another that was dropped (the one late I will not count against him because all indications are that he knew that the Giants had jumped offsides and a flag had been thrown, so he knew he had a free play). Plus, it's the eye test. He just doesn't look like the same QB. He used to just walk out there and move with swagger. He now looks like a guy unsure of himself. A big part of that could be how bad his o-line is and knowing he has to run for his life on every other play, but the fantasy some have that the Chiefs will get it together and become the powerhouse team again any day now is just that, a fantasy.
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Ha! I didn't get to watch the entire game last night, but I put it on as background; however, I picked the wrong channel and got to see the "Peyton and Eli" version. I will probably not watch the real version of MNF again. That was SO entertaining!
For those that don't know, the game plays on the screen with no announcers, and Peyton and Eli Manning are on the left in little windows, and there's a guest in there with them. Last night it was Michael Strahan first, and later Michael Irvin. They comment on the game in real time and MAN was that a blast. First, both Peyton and Eli are as knowledgeable AF about the game, but have a way of presenting it in a way that makes sense to those of us that don't have a PhD in football. And they ask great questions of their guests. I'm sometimes indifferent on Michael Irvin, but MAN does he have a grasp on the game, plus he's funny, and he's willing to laugh at himself (they were playing clips of his time in Miami).
Really brought some insight to an otherwise lackluster game (the five minutes I saw was basically two average teams trying like hell to give the other side the victory!). I loved at the end when they were panning the crowd and there was ONE GUY in an Eli jersey amongst a sea of orange and Peyton says "hey, Eli, there's your fan!" as if there was only one in existance. :) Also, Michael Irvin looks like he could play tomorrow if a team needed him. He's still built like a brick shithouse at 55.
Yep. My wife and I love the Peyton commentary. It's not every week, but when they have it, it's great.
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I only saw parts of the game, but it's clear that the Chiefs are simply not very good this year. Mahomes doesn't even look like the same QB. That INT he threw was atrocious, and he threw another that was dropped (the one late I will not count against him because all indications are that he knew that the Giants had jumped offsides and a flag had been thrown, so he knew he had a free play). Plus, it's the eye test. He just doesn't look like the same QB. He used to just walk out there and move with swagger. He now looks like a guy unsure of himself. A big part of that could be how bad his o-line is and knowing he has to run for his life on every other play, but the fantasy some have that the Chiefs will get it together and become the powerhouse team again any day now is just that, a fantasy.
Scott Van Pelt said it best: "After eight games, this is who they are, at least this season."
Some of it you can fix right away: the penalties and the failure to execute. The rest, though, will take time. They got ahead of the league for about 30 games or so, but the league ALWAYS catches up.
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I only saw parts of the game, but it's clear that the Chiefs are simply not very good this year. Mahomes doesn't even look like the same QB. That INT he threw was atrocious, and he threw another that was dropped (the one late I will not count against him because all indications are that he knew that the Giants had jumped offsides and a flag had been thrown, so he knew he had a free play). Plus, it's the eye test. He just doesn't look like the same QB. He used to just walk out there and move with swagger. He now looks like a guy unsure of himself. A big part of that could be how bad his o-line is and knowing he has to run for his life on every other play, but the fantasy some have that the Chiefs will get it together and become the powerhouse team again any day now is just that, a fantasy.
For those that care to dig into the data, the Chiefs this year are still moving the ball and converting first downs at an elite level. As soon as the turnover luck evens out they'll be fine, as long as the defense is average.
https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1452655259831128067/photo/1
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I only saw parts of the game, but it's clear that the Chiefs are simply not very good this year. Mahomes doesn't even look like the same QB. That INT he threw was atrocious, and he threw another that was dropped (the one late I will not count against him because all indications are that he knew that the Giants had jumped offsides and a flag had been thrown, so he knew he had a free play). Plus, it's the eye test. He just doesn't look like the same QB. He used to just walk out there and move with swagger. He now looks like a guy unsure of himself. A big part of that could be how bad his o-line is and knowing he has to run for his life on every other play, but the fantasy some have that the Chiefs will get it together and become the powerhouse team again any day now is just that, a fantasy.
For those that care to dig into the data, the Chiefs this year are still moving the ball and converting first downs at an elite level. As soon as the turnover luck evens out they'll be fine, as long as the defense is average.
https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1452655259831128067/photo/1
Two points:
One, "luck" has nothing to do with it.
Two, if I had the choice of being on that list and being 4-4, or being 7-1 and taking three (or four) downs to convert, I'll take the latter every day of the week.
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I only saw parts of the game, but it's clear that the Chiefs are simply not very good this year. Mahomes doesn't even look like the same QB. That INT he threw was atrocious, and he threw another that was dropped (the one late I will not count against him because all indications are that he knew that the Giants had jumped offsides and a flag had been thrown, so he knew he had a free play). Plus, it's the eye test. He just doesn't look like the same QB. He used to just walk out there and move with swagger. He now looks like a guy unsure of himself. A big part of that could be how bad his o-line is and knowing he has to run for his life on every other play, but the fantasy some have that the Chiefs will get it together and become the powerhouse team again any day now is just that, a fantasy.
For those that care to dig into the data, the Chiefs this year are still moving the ball and converting first downs at an elite level. As soon as the turnover luck evens out they'll be fine, as long as the defense is average.
https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1452655259831128067/photo/1
Two points:
One, "luck" has nothing to do with it.
Two, if I had the choice of being on that list and being 4-4, or being 7-1 and taking three (or four) downs to convert, I'll take the latter every day of the week.
Well if you want to look at data, just look at the points the Chiefs have allowed. They are the worst in the division. They went to 2 Super Bowls in a row and that really takes a toll plus the fact they are in a division with LV and LA.
We're 8 games in and they are what they are.......
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I only saw parts of the game, but it's clear that the Chiefs are simply not very good this year. Mahomes doesn't even look like the same QB. That INT he threw was atrocious, and he threw another that was dropped (the one late I will not count against him because all indications are that he knew that the Giants had jumped offsides and a flag had been thrown, so he knew he had a free play). Plus, it's the eye test. He just doesn't look like the same QB. He used to just walk out there and move with swagger. He now looks like a guy unsure of himself. A big part of that could be how bad his o-line is and knowing he has to run for his life on every other play, but the fantasy some have that the Chiefs will get it together and become the powerhouse team again any day now is just that, a fantasy.
For those that care to dig into the data, the Chiefs this year are still moving the ball and converting first downs at an elite level. As soon as the turnover luck evens out they'll be fine, as long as the defense is average.
https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1452655259831128067/photo/1
Two points:
One, "luck" has nothing to do with it.
Two, if I had the choice of being on that list and being 4-4, or being 7-1 and taking three (or four) downs to convert, I'll take the latter every day of the week.
Well if you want to look at data, just look at the points the Chiefs have allowed. They are the worst in the division. They went to 2 Super Bowls in a row and that really takes a toll plus the fact they are in a division with LV and LA.
We're 8 games in and they are what they are.......
I think the last sentence is really where it's at. There isn't one dimension here that magically gets fixed and BAM! they're back to dominance. There are too many facets to this where things break down. Sure, the defense is a screen door, but (barely) 20 points against the Gints is not where you want your club to be at the half-way point of the season if you're looking to play into 2022.
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Good change on the thread title Kev. I've never seen NFL officiating as bad as it is now. Nothing but a bunch of rent-a-cops out there. :\
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Good change on the thread title Kev. I've never seen NFL officiating as bad as it is now. Nothing but a bunch of rent-a-cops out there. :\
It's not good, but I am not sure it is even their fault. The NFL is making them call such stupid shit that keeping it all together in their heads can't be easy. I will say it again: the NFL should thank their lucky stars for gambling and fantasy football. Take away both and the NFL would collapse, as the product itself is a fraction as good as it used to be.
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I'm with Kev. Every year the committee makes more rules upon more rules. It's impossible to ref with so many additions and changes.
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I seem to recall that that a few years back the NFL went through a high turnover with the retirement of long tenured officials which has had an effect on the officiating. Does anyone else recall this?
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Rodgers out with Covid this week.
No Rodgers/Mahomes match up.
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Watch Jordan Love light it up, which would be Rodgers’ worst nightmare.
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Watch Jordan Love light it up, which would be Rodgers’ worst nightmare.
It's now or never for Jordan Love. GB needs to find out what they have in him.
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That sucks about Derrick Henry!
Every year there's an injury that really bums me out. Not because I care about the player or the team, but because it's a giant loss for good football. A great player having a season for the ages and suddenly he's done. This one definitely sucks.
I meant to respond to this earlier but I 100% agree with you and I would hope any fan of football would feel the same way.
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In August Rodgers was asked if he was vaccinated, he replied with, “ya, I’ve been immunized”.
So either he had Covid prior, or he believes in herbal remedies, both scenarios are possible with this guy.
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In August Rodgers was asked if he was vaccinated, he replied with, “ya, I’ve been immunized”.
So either he had Covid prior, or he believes in herbal remedies, both scenarios are possible with this guy.
This could open a giant can of worms because if he isn’t vaccinated he needs to have been following protocols for unvaccinated players, which doesn’t seem to be the case according to some reports.
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In August Rodgers was asked if he was vaccinated, he replied with, “ya, I’ve been immunized”.
So either he had Covid prior, or he believes in herbal remedies, both scenarios are possible with this guy.
This could open a giant can of worms because if he isn’t vaccinated he needs to have been following protocols for unvaccinated players, which doesn’t seem to be the case according to some reports.
What makes yu think he's not vaccinated T-ski?
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In August Rodgers was asked if he was vaccinated, he replied with, “ya, I’ve been immunized”.
So either he had Covid prior, or he believes in herbal remedies, both scenarios are possible with this guy.
This could open a giant can of worms because if he isn’t vaccinated he needs to have been following protocols for unvaccinated players, which doesn’t seem to be the case according to some reports.
What makes yu think he's not vaccinated T-ski?
Ian Rapoport via Twitter….
“ #Packers QB Aaron Rodgers is unvaccinated, per me and @MikeGarafolo. That’s why he’s out for Sunday vs. the #Chiefs.”
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In August Rodgers was asked if he was vaccinated, he replied with, “ya, I’ve been immunized”.
So either he had Covid prior, or he believes in herbal remedies, both scenarios are possible with this guy.
This could open a giant can of worms because if he isn’t vaccinated he needs to have been following protocols for unvaccinated players, which doesn’t seem to be the case according to some reports.
What makes yu think he's not vaccinated T-ski?
The vaccine is not 100% fool-proof. He most likely got a breakthrough case. His symptoms should be minor.
EDIT: ......or he lied.
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In August Rodgers was asked if he was vaccinated, he replied with, “ya, I’ve been immunized”.
So either he had Covid prior, or he believes in herbal remedies, both scenarios are possible with this guy.
This could open a giant can of worms because if he isn’t vaccinated he needs to have been following protocols for unvaccinated players, which doesn’t seem to be the case according to some reports.
What makes yu think he's not vaccinated T-ski?
Ian Rapoport via Twitter….
“ #Packers QB Aaron Rodgers is unvaccinated, per me and @MikeGarafolo. That’s why he’s out for Sunday vs. the #Chiefs.”
If he's unvaccinated, there are protocols like he has to wear a mask for meetings with the media ect. I don't think I've seen him with a mask on all year. So if he lied that's a huge bombshell.
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I imagine the NFL must've had some sort of system in place to ensure the legitimacy of vaccine status to precisely avoid this scenario. I mean haven't they been fining other players who violated non-vaccinated protocols? Either way, the Rodgers drama continues I suppose.
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Man, Henry Ruggs is going to be going away for a while. His rookie contract damn sure hasn't paid him enough to buy his way out of this.
Also, holy shit, Chevrolet! One twenty six into a stationary car, and two passengers survived with only minor injuries.
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/3/62/36244217-2d93-5066-81ae-87e5dc6e1236/618280d743804.image.jpg)
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I had Ruggs on my fantasy team which is the only reason why I knew about him. He was apparently going 156 mph which is just insane. And yes that car does look like it has some crazy safety features.
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Michael Thomas; the day AFTER the trade deadline (with OBJ and DeShaun Jackson available) he announces he's now out for the season. Granted, things have changed in NO with Jameis, but before he got hurt, I imagine they would have pulled a "Rams" and gotten in a receiver.
The door is open for the Rams and Cowboys in the NFC, for reals.
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Lots of interesting info here on Rodgers. Sounds like he tried to skirt the system with some 'alternative treatment'. It also sounds like he was very inconsistent in covid protocols. If this is all true, he's most likely missing multiple games.
If he was vaccinated, he still has a chance to play Sunday so he clearly is not. He's out until at least the 13th and possibly longer if he has been violating protocol.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl-packers-aaron-rodgers-tests-positive-for-covid-19-will-miss-week-9-vs-chiefs-160848686.html
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https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2021/11/3/22761472/aaron-rodgers-covid-chiefs-vaccination-status
I'm indifferent on the vaccination question; I don't agree with it, but I do respect individuals rights to accept the vaccine or not. BUT... don't lie about it. To me, the "lie" implies that you KNOW it's wrong, but did it anyway. You have the right to your position, but own it!
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Man, Henry Ruggs is going to be going away for a while. His rookie contract damn sure hasn't paid him enough to buy his way out of this.
Also, holy shit, Chevrolet! One twenty six into a stationary car, and two passengers survived with only minor injuries.
Yep. This is way different than when Leonard Little killed a lady in St. Louis.....he was a key player and was represented by the best defense lawyer in St. Louis....probably in the US. Got 'off' with some probation and fines.
This kid is going to jail, no doubt about it.
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Rodgers will be lucky if he doesn't get suspended by the league since it appears he didn't follow the league's protocol. Feels like such an Aaron Rodgers thing. :lol
I am on the side of Odell Beckham in the thing with the Browns. He is a diva, but he has kept his mouth shut for his whole tenure in Cleveland, but I am guessing he is tired of having a crappy ass QB who cannot get him the ball.
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Rodgers will be lucky if he doesn't get suspended by the league since it appears he didn't follow the league's protocol. Feels like such an Aaron Rodgers thing. :lol
I am on the side of Odell Beckham in the thing with the Browns. He is a diva, but he has kept his mouth shut for his whole tenure in Cleveland, but I am guessing he is tired of having a crappy ass QB who cannot get him the ball.
But all of them - his dad, Mayfield's wife - need to keep it in the clubhouse.
This is also the way the NFL (and all sports) have changed over the years. This SHOULD have been solved by Mayfield and Beckham having a steak dinner together and hashing it out, not through families bickering over social media. Don't need to be best friends, don't need to "hang at the crib" together, but do need to figure out how to get on the same page.
I think this Bengals/Browns game is going to be a good one. I don't see either team sleeping after last week, and with divisional implications it's got the makings of a good one.
Unrelated question: this week, potentially, begins the Jordan Love era in Green Bay. I'm not yet sold on the kid, but assuming he DOES pan out, can we name a team that went from elite to elite to elite in that way? (NO, I'm not saying Love is elite, I'm asking if any other team has gone from elite to elite to elite directly like that. No "fill-in" in between).
Also unrelated: I was listening to ESPN radio this morning in the car, and MAN... if anyone's stock has dropped in the NFL it's Jared Goff. Those guys could barely be civil when referring to him, at one point basically calling him a "baby" by saying that McVay had to hand-hold him every step of the way.
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I just hope Rodgers doesn't need to be intubated. He wouldn't have to worry had he been vaccinated. All is actions were selfish. Just wondering about the sh*t storm that him and the Packers will face going forwards.
Ruggs: was on my FF team as well. He's now been released, and who knows what his future will be. We know the future of his victim's family has been ruined.
Football for a minute: Ravens had a bye last week, I watched most of the Steelers-Browns, and the last three minutes of the only late game we were offered. I feel for KevShmev, and I couldn't help thinking of him during that Broncos-WTF game.
Wow, that was just putrid football by both teams. There were segments of the Lions-Ravens game that I thought were just brutal, but the ending minutes in Denver was worse.
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Ruggs: was on my FF team as well. He's now been released, and who knows what his future will be. We know the future of his victim's family has been ruined was worse.
Star receiver for the Mean Machine.
In the meantime, players are being slammed for supporting the guy. Not defending him or his actions, but just supporting him as a person. That's pretty fucked up, too, but welcome to America.
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Ruggs: was on my FF team as well. He's now been released, and who knows what his future will be. We know the future of his victim's family has been ruined was worse.
Star receiver for the Mean Machine.
In the meantime, players are being slammed for supporting the guy. Not defending him or his actions, but just supporting him as a person. That's pretty fucked up, too, but welcome to America.
Yep, very said. Ruggs deserves a long prison sentence, but friends and family coming to his aid is more than understandable. But, like you said, this is America in 2021. I am reminded of a great piece of advice by Jordan Peterson: get your own room clean and in order first before trying to rearrange the world. I think many people would do well to heed that advice.
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Ruggs: was on my FF team as well. He's now been released, and who knows what his future will be. We know the future of his victim's family has been ruined was worse.
Star receiver for the Mean Machine.
In the meantime, players are being slammed for supporting the guy. Not defending him or his actions, but just supporting him as a person. That's pretty fucked up, too, but welcome to America.
Yep, very said. Ruggs deserves a long prison sentence, but friends and family coming to his aid is more than understandable. But, like you said, this is America in 2021. I am reminded of a great piece of advice by Jordan Peterson William Stadler: get your own room clean and in order first before trying to rearrange the world Tend your own garden. I think many people would do well to heed that advice.
Yup.
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Luv you man. :) :) :)
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Oh no, St. Rodgers is upset that people found out he was unvaccinated. You got caught. Man up and own it. Stop acting like a little bitch. :lol
https://nypost.com/2021/11/05/aaron-rodgers-furious-over-vaccination-drama/
Honestly, the league needs to nail his sorry ass, and the Packers organization to the wall over this. They were fining teams and docking draft picks for trivial violations last year. Because this is Aaron Rodgers they're going to let the whole thing slide, though. What a joke.
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Oh no, St. Rodgers is upset that people found out he was unvaccinated. You got caught. Man up and own it. Stop acting like a little bitch. :lol
https://nypost.com/2021/11/05/aaron-rodgers-furious-over-vaccination-drama/
Honestly, the league needs to nail his sorry ass, and the Packers organization to the wall over this. They were fining teams and docking draft picks for trivial violations last year. Because this is Aaron Rodgers they're going to let the whole thing slide, though. What a joke.
It's so f'd up. The Pack was down to 1 QB and have to fly in Blake freakin Bortles. Again, taking politics out of it, he just made his team less competitive.
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Rodgers will be lucky if he doesn't get suspended by the league since it appears he didn't follow the league's protocol. Feels like such an Aaron Rodgers thing. :lol
I am on the side of Odell Beckham in the thing with the Browns. He is a diva, but he has kept his mouth shut for his whole tenure in Cleveland, but I am guessing he is tired of having a crappy ass QB who cannot get him the ball.
I was leaning on being impressed by Baker this season but I think we're learning who he really is as an NFL QB which is not very good. I however have no sympathy for OBJ. He's an overrated Diva and always has been since he stepped foot on the field.
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Rodgers will be lucky if he doesn't get suspended by the league since it appears he didn't follow the league's protocol. Feels like such an Aaron Rodgers thing. :lol
I am on the side of Odell Beckham in the thing with the Browns. He is a diva, but he has kept his mouth shut for his whole tenure in Cleveland, but I am guessing he is tired of having a crappy ass QB who cannot get him the ball.
I was leaning on being impressed by Baker this season but I think we're learning who he really is as an NFL QB which is not very good. I however have no sympathy for OBJ. He's an overrated Diva and always has been since he stepped foot on the field.
I’ve said this before, but I think the media coverage around that first one-handed catch was the beginning of him becoming a diva. Hardly anybody talked about the fact that 1) a flag was thrown and the defender would have been called for pass interference anyway and 2) the Giants lost that game. It gave the impression that his skill was more important than contributing to his team’s success. That catch was made bigger than the final result of the game, and that meant that OBJ’s stats were more important than winning.
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I now understand why no one in Aaron Rodgers' family will talk to him anymore. He now said on the Pat McAfee show that he is allergic to one of the ingredients in the vaccines. So instead of saying that earlier at training camp when he's asked if he's vaccinated, his answer was, "Yeah, I'm immunized." He is the issue to why he is under the hot seat all the time. Yet, he blames everyone else. Wait until you all hear it. He's nuts.
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I didn't think Rodgers would turn out to be such a drama queen, I'm a huge fan of his playing skills and was really rooting for him when he replaced Favre. I mean he still plays great and normally I don't pay attention to the antics of players off the field but this is becoming inescapable.
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Aaron Rodgers interview on the Pat McAfee should be watched by every American. He spoke his mind and made a lot of great points. This whole thing should be a conversation, not a contraversy.
https://youtu.be/K3jM13A7OEw
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It's ok if you don't want to take the vaccine. Just say it. Don't lie. Don't side step. That's all. It's his choice.
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It's ok if you don't want to take the vaccine. Just say it. Don't lie. Don't side step. That's all. It's his choice.
I get that, and I felt the same way. However what the media didn't report that his team and teammates knew he was unvaxxed, and he was treated accordingly.
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Yeah, this isn't about being canceled by the woke crowd. I swear, all of these people think that being an iconoclast is supposed to be easy. If you want to be a social outlier you have to put up with a certain amount of inconvenience. It's not that hard to grasp. Personally, I don't give a fuck if he's vaccinated or not. I do expect him to live by the rules that he's agreed to, though. Quite frankly, he's acting like a spoiled brat (which is old news for him). He ignores rules he doesn't agree with, and then cries when he gets sanctioned for it. And if the league suspends him (which it doesn't have the cojones to do), he'll blame woke and their cancel culture, rather than owning up to his own act of disobeience.
This is why I've always referred to personal responsibility as bullshit. The people who cry the loudest about it are typically the people who jettison it when it becomes inconvenient.
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It's ok if you don't want to take the vaccine. Just say it. Don't lie. Don't side step. That's all. It's his choice.
I get that, and I felt the same way. However what the media didn't report that his team and teammates knew he was unvaxxed, and he was treated accordingly.
100%
Yeah, this isn't about being canceled by the woke crowd. I swear, all of these people think that being an iconoclast is supposed to be easy. If you want to be a social outlier you have to put up with a certain amount of inconvenience. It's not that hard to grasp. Personally, I don't give a fuck if he's vaccinated or not. I do expect him to live by the rules that he's agreed to, though. Quite frankly, he's acting like a spoiled brat (which is old news for him). He ignores rules he doesn't agree with, and then cries when he gets sanctioned for it. And if the league suspends him (which it doesn't have the cojones to do), he'll blame woke and their cancel culture, rather than owning up to his own act of disobeience.
This is why I've always referred to personal responsibility as bullshit. The people who cry the loudest about it are typically the people who jettison it when it becomes inconvenient.
So true. What upsets most is the side stepping and not taking the responsibility like he seems to do a lot lately.
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I’m sorry, but if you want to have a job that involves constant travel, you need to do whatever it takes to ensure the health and safety of yourself and your colleagues. You can agree with the vaccine or not, but if this is the career you choose, or something similar, you need to check your personal feelings at the door, get over yourself, and do what’s asked of you, which includes not lying about things and hoping they go away. If he physically can’t get the vaccine then that’s different, but say that then, and take other medically recommended precautions to keep everyone safe. It’s not that hard to be a decent human being.
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He got tested every day. He wore the wristband that the unvaxxed players had to wear. He worked out off to the side with a mask on. He followed all protocols save one.
The full interview is definitely worth watching. If afterwards you feel the same way, more power to you.
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So, being a Jets fan doesn't even allow you the disappointment of seeing Mike White suit up and probably not repeat his historic first career start performance. But then it gives you a bafflingly great half of football played by Josh Johnson. I don't know what all this means, other than you've got two backups who might not be physically elite players but who have taken their careers seriously enough to learn how to run the offense, Mike White especially seems to be a player that might have an elite mental understanding of the game but just might not physically be able to execute on it all the time.
But it's just funny that the Jets to backup quarterbacks have now both posted up better games of football then Zack Wilson has all year so far.
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It's certainly not good for Joe Flacco
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So, being a Jets fan doesn't even allow you the disappointment of seeing Mike White suit up and probably not repeat his historic first career start performance. But then it gives you a bafflingly great half of football played by Josh Johnson. I don't know what all this means, other than you've got two backups who might not be physically elite players but who have taken their careers seriously enough to learn how to run the offense, Mike White especially seems to be a player that might have an elite mental understanding of the game but just might not physically be able to execute on it all the time.
But it's just funny that the Jets to backup quarterbacks have now both posted up better games of football then Zack Wilson has all year so far.
It’s not that the Jets suck. Plenty of teams have had long stretches of being awful. It’s that every waking moment as a Jets fan is filled with confusion and new surprises. Every time you think they can’t hurt you anymore, this organization finds new ways to ruin your life.
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Sports Illustrated just put Aaron Rodgers on full blast and refuted his talking points. Good for them.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/11/05/the-problem-is-aaron-rodgers-thinks-he-has-all-the-answers?fbclid=IwAR3dIr8CefmAJHOkUY-CYW6r49mI9QsYwrFbLnTJyw4llC-Xw00wJVeBzl4
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Rodgers lost all credibility when he went to Joe Rogan for Covid advice. :facepalm:
He seems to be devolving into a bit of a nutjob. I wonder if he was always this way and he just can't keep up the act anymore or what. He's just become odd.
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It's not that Rogan leans Republican, but that Rodgers takes the advice of a podcast over doctors in the field.
And we are supposed to agree with him.
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I thought Pat McAfee was the antivirus dude. An Arron Rodgers interview with Bolivian whores and cocaine could have been really cool.
Aaron Rodgers interview on the Pat McAfee should be watched by every American. He spoke his mind and made a lot of great points. This whole thing should be a conversation, not a contraversy.
https://youtu.be/K3jM13A7OEw
First off, thanks for posting this. I wasted a few minutes with Google trying to find it before realizing "hey, bet that DoC dude posted this."
:tup
Second, holy fuck, that dude is deranged. I had no idea. I just thought he was flaky. I'm not basing this on his point of view; I honestly can't tell what it really is. It's based on how terrible he is at trying to sound reasonable. This isn't an interview. He doesn't have to listen to questions and formulate answers. This is an infomercial where all he has to do is deliver his positions, and he's coming off terribly. It's like he went to the world's worst press agent to get keyword and script advice. Seriously, I don't like him and I disagree with his stance, but I could have done a far better job of selling that case than him. And he actually believes it, I guess. Seems that if you just work in "Woke" and "Cancelled" every sentence people will believe anything you say, even if it's just gibberish.
Also, throwing the NFL under the bus right now is amazingly stupid. They were going to the mats for him, FFS. Now they're having to go on the offensive. This isn't rocket science. :lol
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Getting back to Ruggs for a minute... I have a bit of a history with alcohol abuse, and while I have never been involved in anything of such magnitude, that story still hits me hard, and I have a hard time seeing those pictures and reading those reports. I think it is reasonable to offer some level of support to Ruggs without neglecting the gravity of what he did. I know my drinking did plenty of damage, if only in the emotional sense.
Getting back to Odell Beckham, there is some line between "being a member of a team as part of a billion dollar organization" and "great talent who is only concerned about his legacy." I fall on the side of "you are pro athletes making millions of dollars, some of you are going to be on subpar teams, and maybe your full prowess and statistical potential may not be met. Not every team is going to be the 72 Dolphins, and not every one of you is going to be Tom Brady."
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Oh no, St. Rodgers is upset that people found out he was unvaccinated. You got caught. Man up and own it. Stop acting like a little bitch. :lol
https://nypost.com/2021/11/05/aaron-rodgers-furious-over-vaccination-drama/
Honestly, the league needs to nail his sorry ass, and the Packers organization to the wall over this. They were fining teams and docking draft picks for trivial violations last year. Because this is Aaron Rodgers they're going to let the whole thing slide, though. What a joke.
(the other chatter in this thread since aside), I totally agree. The NFL needs to come down hard on both Rodgers and the Packers organization.
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Well, after agonizing over the outrageous (in my opinion) costs, I ultimately pulled the trigger on Thursday. My 7-year-old son and I are going to SoFi Stadium tomorrow night to watch the Titans vs the Rams (Sunday night football!). 50 yard line, 3rd row of about the 3rd section up.
I've previously attended exactly 1 professional football game. Houston Oilers vs the LA Raiders at Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum in a preseason game back in 1993 or so. So, this is not a common thing for me. Not to mention that tomorrow night's game is the first time in just over 27(!) years that the Oilers/Titans have played in Los Angeles. They played "at" the LA Chargers two seasons ago, but that game was actually played in London.
There were too many things for me to pass up with this opportunity, and I ultimately decided I had to go with a "no regrets" approach and just do it. As I mentioned, Titan visits to my part of the country have been quite rare. Plus it's the (current) top team in the AFC versus the (current) top team in the NFC. Theoretically, if both teams win out (yeah right), this is a preview of the Super Bowl in this very same stadium come February. And oh yeah, about that stadium... It's supposed to be unbelievable, and as a southern California native I have to see this $5B Wonder of the World at some point. Also, there should be no fewer than MINIMUM 4 future Hall of Famers in this game (Julio Jones, Adrian Peterson, Aaron Donald, Jalen Ramsey)- plus a bunch of other more-than-decent candidates down the road. It's just too rare of a happening for me to miss, when I *could* do it. So I am.
My one HUGE regret is Derrick Henry's injury from last Sunday. Man, if not for that, this would be absolutely perfect (not to mention, a 5th Hall of Famer...). I feel like I HAVE to see this man play at some point. One of my father's biggest sports regrets is that he never got to see Sandy Koufax pitch in person- it just didn't work out. I am so bummed that he (Henry) won't be part of this game, and a bucket list entry ticked off on this visit.
I'll be rooting for the Titans, but regardless it should be a great game, and a great experience and memory for me and Mini-MusicMaker.
I know some people go to tons of games- I am not one of those people. We're both pretty pumped.
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I think it is way too early to call Jalen Ramsey a future Hall of Famer, especially when you left out Von Miller, who probably has his gold jacket already locked up, but that is neither here nor there. Have fun at the game! :) :)
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Four weeks go I thought to myself "any time Brandon Bolden is having to play on offense you're in deep shit." Damned if that boy didn't turn into a real stud. I honestly had no idea he could actually play outside of special teams. Hell, I'm not sure Bill did. :lol
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Somehow, he sticks around but it's because he can fill in and produce just enough. He's having a hell of a season so far.
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Somehow, you just know many around the league are seeing the Patriots getting better and thinking to themselves, "Uh oh..."
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...especially when you left out Von Miller, who probably has his gold jacket already locked up...
He probably does. I'm not an avid fan/follower of him or the Broncos overall, so I know him more by reputation/highlights than actual career stats.
When I posted, though, Von Miller wasn't expected to play today (an ankle issue if I recall). I appreciate his ability and success, but he's not a once-a-generation one-of-a-kind must-see draw for me personally in the way that Derrick Henry is. So I guess I just left him unmentioned. Would be very cool to see him play too!
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Somehow, you just know many around the league are seeing the Patriots getting better and thinking to themselves, "Uh oh..."
The 50 burger New England dropped on my Jets two weeks ago made me mostly check out of this season. It’s becoming increasingly harder for me to care when the team I root for is stuck in neutral while their biggest rival always seems to have the answer. There’s only so much Patriots success and Jets failure I can take, and I think I’m close to my limit.
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I hear you, but the Jets are in the past position they've been in since the Tannenbaum/Ryan years. You can't expect a rookie QB and nearly brand new coaching staff to make a difference overnight, and so far a lot of Joe Douglas's moves seem to have been good ones. The hoodie is almost 70, also.
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This was one of those weeks I LOVE. "Any Given Sunday". Denver had no business beating the Cowboys, but they did. Jax had no business beating Buffalo, but they did. IMO, Atlanta had no business beating New Orleans, but they did. And two others that could have gone either way - Cle/Cin and LV/NYG - and it was a great week, even if I didn't pick any of them.
Nothing that hasn't been said already about Aaron Rodgers, except to note that the Fox Sports panel was pretty unanimous and pretty insightful; they were all rather critical about Rodgers, but focused almost exclusively on his honesty (which is where I'm parked; I don't care what he does - I really don't; he's entitled to forego the vaccine if he chooses, and that's regardless of where he gets his information from - but be honest about it.)
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This was one of those weeks I LOVE. "Any Given Sunday". Denver had no business beating the Cowboys, but they did. Jax had no business beating Buffalo, but they did. IMO, Atlanta had no business beating New Orleans, but they did. And two others that could have gone either way - Cle/Cin and LV/NYG - and it was a great week, even if I didn't pick any of them.
Nothing that hasn't been said already about Aaron Rodgers, except to note that the Fox Sports panel was pretty unanimous and pretty insightful; they were all rather critical about Rodgers, but focused almost exclusively on his honesty (which is where I'm parked; I don't care what he does - I really don't; he's entitled to forego the vaccine if he chooses, and that's regardless of where he gets his information from - but be honest about it.)
Yeah, I love "Any Given Sunday" too except when it happens to my team. Cowboys fans and media (including myself) went into this game thinking, 'we've got this'. My first moment of dread was at the very beginning when they showed the stats of the Broncos defense and Teddy Bridgewater I perked up and thought - 'holy shit, these guys can play some "D" and Teddy's stats aren't too shabby'. Everything went to hell and a handbag after that. BTW - Micah Parsons is a BEAST!
As far as Rodgers goes - I don't buy this 'my body, my choice' BS when we regulate people's body ALL THE TIME but I have posted before that from a competitive advantage, it just makes sense to get vaccinated. And I don't believe one iota that he did his research and he's allergic to a couple of ingredients to the mRNA vaccine. The Pack needs a QB because I don't see Rodgers back in GB next year and this time, Love is not the answer.
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The Beatles would disagree with you ;)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/10/All_You_Need_Is_Love_%28Beatles_single_-_cover_art%29.jpg)
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The Beatles would disagree with you ;)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/10/All_You_Need_Is_Love_%28Beatles_single_-_cover_art%29.jpg)
Thank you for getting the joke! :tup
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On the heels of Aaron Rodgers' touchdown celebration against The Bears ("I own you!")....
https://wgntv.com/news/trending/the-wieners-circle-pokes-fun-at-aaron-rodgers/
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This was one of those weeks I LOVE. "Any Given Sunday". Denver had no business beating the Cowboys, but they did.
Man...it was SO...MUCH...FUN!!! Before the Rams and Chargers moved back to LA, I could see the Broncos with some frequency. Now I get to see MAYBE three games per year. A guy I worked with called me on Friday to talk a bit of pregame smack, and I basically conceded that the Broncos had no chance. But they put up a game that would've made them competitive against 99% of teams in NFL history. Any given Sunday, indeed!
The only bummer was that, with about 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter, Fox switched over to a "more competitive game." Seeing as how the Cowboys scored two touchdowns in that time, I guess I'm better off that they did that. LOL!
Hopefully it's not a complete aberration.
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Has there been any study or analysis done on how teams perform coming off their byes? Generally speaking, is getting a bye during any point of the season an advantage or disadvantage? My general assumption is that a bye during the middle of the season is a sweet spot. Not sure if players or coaches have any preferences of when they'd like to get the bye.
I'd take a guess it's more trivial than anything but I was thinking about teams that get their bye super early in the season, doesn't seem like they get a chance to recuperate or sorts during the end of the season.
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Teams usually prefer to get their bye week towards the middle of the season.
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after a bye week
https://www.predictem.com/nfl/nfl-records-ats-after-the-bye/
You can also google various coaches. For instance, John Harbaugh's record is 10-3
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Has there been any study or analysis done on how teams perform coming off their byes? Generally speaking, is getting a bye during any point of the season an advantage or disadvantage? My general assumption is that a bye during the middle of the season is a sweet spot. Not sure if players or coaches have any preferences of when they'd like to get the bye.
I'd take a guess it's more trivial than anything but I was thinking about teams that get their bye super early in the season, doesn't seem like they get a chance to recuperate or sorts during the end of the season.
I don't know if the NFL has done such a study but I'm sure you can find stats somewhere. I'm not sure you can come to any conclusion because there are way to many variances that you would have to consider such as coaching, injuries, strength of personnel etc...
Other thoughts from the weekend:
This was a strange football weekend. Cowboys lose, Raiders lose, Rams lose......
Baker Mayfield must be feeling vindicated.
Cardinals are fo real!
I need to watch Manning Mondays because I hear they are awesome.
I still think we need TNF but I think it's time to retire MNF.
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I watched Manning Monday last week and I was SOLD! I don't know that it is on this week, but I'm a fan.
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The Manning Broadcast is exceptional. I was groaning about whether I even cared enough to watch the Steelers and the Bears, and seeing that Peyton and Eli are taking a break from broadcasting this week pretty much seals the deal for me that I probably won't.
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after a bye week
https://www.predictem.com/nfl/nfl-records-ats-after-the-bye/ (https://www.predictem.com/nfl/nfl-records-ats-after-the-bye/)
You can also google various coaches. For instance, John Harbaugh's record is 10-3
Awesome thanks!
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Glad that the OBJ drama was dealt with and the Browns can move forward. I've got a good feeling that the Browns will be playing in January, while OBJ is sitting at home. Would love to see the Lions claim him, or the Jets, just to troll him. The Browns won't miss him.
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Glad that the OBJ drama was dealt with and the Browns can move forward. I've got a good feeling that the Browns will be playing in January, while OBJ is sitting at home. Would love to see the Lions claim him, or the Jets, just to troll him. The Browns won't miss him.
From what I can tell, the Browns did him no favor when they sent his contract along with him. Seems to me that only 10 teams have the cap space to make a waiver claim, and only one of them is a likely playoff contender (SD). The Lions have already said they're a hard pass, and the Jets don't have the space. He may well find himself in Jacksonville, though.
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OBJ or not, the Browns are at their best on offense when they run it well. Mayfield only had 21 attempts yesterday, and they ran for over 150 yards on the ground. That is the recipe for a victory if you are the Browns.
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It’s sickening how much the NFL is in bed with the military. All I see is camo everywhere I look.
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It’s sickening how much the NFL is in bed with the military. All I see is camo everywhere I look.
I have so much respect for our troops, but not for the actually military itself. I also think that all public “support our troops” campaigns by multi-million dollar entities are completely meaningless and nothing more than a publicity stunt unless the powers at be in those companies regularly donate some of their excessive wealth towards PTSD research and helping homeless veterans. It seems people only respect the troops who died but not the ones who survived and suffer when they come home.
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I'll take cameo over (if I may paraphrase Bill Burr) them dressing the players up like newborn babies in October every year. Thank goodness that is over.
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For anyone watching, this is totally on-brand for a Mike Tomlin defense. Terrible secondary play all game.
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That sequence that led to the taunting penalty late in last night's game might be the most absurd thing ever in an NFL game.
I get that the taunting penalty is a point of emphasis this year, and that the Bears player should have toned it down a touch after the sack, but no flag was thrown by the official watching it until after the Bears player ran by him and contact was initiated with the official...that the official initiated!! The official literally stuck his butt out to make contact with the Bears player and then threw the flag. I didn't watch the game, so I didn't see it until this morning, and I had to watch it twice to make sure that I actually saw it right, and yep, that is actually what happened. Unreal.
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It’s sickening how much the NFL is in bed with the military. All I see is camo everywhere I look.
I have so much respect for our troops, but not for the actually military itself. I also think that all public “support our troops” campaigns by multi-million dollar entities are completely meaningless and nothing more than a publicity stunt unless the powers at be in those companies regularly donate some of their excessive wealth towards PTSD research and helping homeless veterans. It seems people only respect the troops who died but not the ones who survived and suffer when they come home.
How is it different than any of the other publicity stunts they run? I can't even watch the pregame shows anymore* because there is literally EVERY WEEK on EVERY SHOW at least one story that is equally as pandering and false and scheduled, all intended to pull at my sympathies and further etch the in-group and out-group mentality.
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It’s sickening how much the NFL is in bed with the military. All I see is camo everywhere I look.
I have so much respect for our troops, but not for the actually military itself. I also think that all public “support our troops” campaigns by multi-million dollar entities are completely meaningless and nothing more than a publicity stunt unless the powers at be in those companies regularly donate some of their excessive wealth towards PTSD research and helping homeless veterans. It seems people only respect the troops who died but not the ones who survived and suffer when they come home.
How is it different than any of the other publicity stunts they run? I can't even watch the pregame shows anymore* because there is literally EVERY WEEK on EVERY SHOW at least one story that is equally as pandering and false and scheduled, all intended to pull at my sympathies and further etch the in-group and out-group mentality.
From my understanding, the military pays the NFL millions of dollars for the National Anthem and unfurling that huge flag and a military fly-by so the NA is nothing more than a minute and a half of advertising. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if last weeks tributes to the troops was nothing more than paid programming billed to Uncle Sam.
Personally, I would love to go back to the players stay in the locker room during the NA and then get introduced to the crowd like in the old days.
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For anyone watching, this is totally on-brand for a Mike Tomlin defense. Terrible secondary play all game.
Yeah, Pitt pulls one outta their butt once again.
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About Rodgers...
You mean to tell me that all Rodgers told the media was he is Immunized and the rest of the world and media assumed he was vaccinated based on his answer of "I'm Immunized"?
That's hilarious if so, because it's the media and everyone else's damn fault for ASSUMING.
He also did take Monoclonal Antibody Treatments. Which many people who do get some harsh symptoms are being prescribed to take by their doctors.
I know people who were vaccinated, got some mild symptoms, prescribed these and felt better.
If Rodgers caught it, took these Monoclonal Antibodies, and is fine. There is some good in these things.
Also, the entire team knew he was unvaccinated, he knew what protocols need to be followed, and yet the league still allowed him to play.
Why is the blame being placed on Rodgers when the League knew of his status and didn't say anything about it until now. I figure it'd be quite hard to lie about a vaccination status. Which Rodgers did not lie about. He answered a question with wise word choices and people assumed their own meaning to his answer.
And also, it's pretty sad when your team relies so heavily on one man that when he isn't there, the entire team looks lost and can't even hold up the other team. At least they didn't get Trampled on like the Cowboys did, but still.
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It’s sickening how much the NFL is in bed with the military. All I see is camo everywhere I look.
I hate to break it to you, but Nations have used Sports for purposes of Nationalism and Militarism for centuries. Look at how Hitler utilized calisthenics to train his military. Just look at the Olympics and how it's one entire contest of Nations showing their strength of their Nations through their athletes.
I am taking a class on learning History through Sports and what is termed "Modern Sports" or what makes a sport "Modern" and it's fascinating how much emphasis was placed on Nationalism and Militarism during the late 19th, early 20th century. Nationalism in The US meaning being proud of being American, having a game that is "American", played by "Americans", created by "Americans, and America can claim as it's own. By showing this pride at every game.
So therefore, the emphasis of Nationalism is part of the basis for why they created the National Football League. To garner a sense of Nationalism and Militarism opportunities to generate strong men and boys who will show the same passion and determination that they shown on the field, in the line of duty. This is why there are many "athletes" who do join the military, many people who play sports usually join the military.
And to honor the vets, they use sports to sort of pay back and recognize their sacrifices for joining the military. The pay back is the sport of football everyone gets to enjoy, because America is still America.
It's really fascinating if I do say so myself.
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If we're going to pound on the military for paid advertisements, then I'm expecting equal outrage and anger the next time half the team is in pink shoes and gloves for breast cancer, or after every game where a player has the “End Racism,” “Stop Hate,” “It Takes All of Us,” “Black Lives Matter,” “Inspire Change” and “Say Their Stories" (the latter intimating the narrative focus of movements like Critical Race Theory, btw) on their helmets, or any of the other calculated moves the league makes to engender itself with a certain demographic of its fan base.
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If we're going to pound on the military for paid advertisements, then I'm expecting equal outrage and anger the next time half the team is in pink shoes and gloves for breast cancer, or after every game where a player has the “End Racism,” “Stop Hate,” “It Takes All of Us,” “Black Lives Matter,” “Inspire Change” and “Say Their Stories" (the latter intimating the narrative focus of movements like Critical Race Theory, btw) on their helmets, or any of the other calculated moves the league makes to engender itself with a certain demographic of its fan base.
Exactly. It's Sports being used as a means to present ideas and values to the people of a nation. Which is what sports was utilized for throughout the world and in the past centuries.
Only now, the values being presented do not align with the majority of the people. And this is where these things get fun, when the culture clash happens and these Sports turn into games played not just for entertainment, but for the blood of passion.
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That must be why they run that commercial over and over again on NFL Network. "If you could be me and I could be you for just one hour. Walk a mile in my shoes..." Nothing but fantasy. Never gonna happen. Walking in my own shoes is difficult enough these days. Get real and stop cramming ridiculous ideas down our throats 20 times a day.
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That must be why they run that commercial over and over again on NFL Network. "If you could be me and I could be you for just one hour. Walk a mile in my shoes..." Nothing but fantasy. Never gonna happen. Walking in my own shoes is difficult enough these days. Get real and stop cramming ridiculous ideas down our throats 20 times a day.
I totally get your objection. It's part of an agenda that is, let's say, problematic. At the same time, walking a mile in another man's shoes is a noble sentiment, and one that everybody should be willing to take to heart. It's hardly a ridiculous idea, and to be honest, your contempt for it points out while it's so necessary in a time when everybody is so damned judgemental.
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If we're going to pound on the military for paid advertisements, then I'm expecting equal outrage and anger the next time half the team is in pink shoes and gloves for breast cancer, or after every game where a player has the “End Racism,” “Stop Hate,” “It Takes All of Us,” “Black Lives Matter,” “Inspire Change” and “Say Their Stories" (the latter intimating the narrative focus of movements like Critical Race Theory, btw) on their helmets, or any of the other calculated moves the league makes to engender itself with a certain demographic of its fan base.
Well, I will certainly be glad never to see either camo or the color pink on any uniform ever again.
The other things don't fundamentally change the uniform, so I just don't care, although it may be that the time for those things is past. Are any players still doing that?
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Would the NFL be as watched if Fantasy Football was outlawed? One fascinating answer would be, possibly not. Removing the gambling aspect of a sport can cause riots.
You could make an argument for NFL being fantasy and scripted in the same way the WWE is fantasy and scripted. All for one main reason, The Entertainment Value of watching NFL or WWE sports matches.
Just take a look at College Football, and it's popularity rising in the last couple of decades, to the point of discussing about paying the College Football Players. 'Paying Players' is an aspect that is part of how a sport became Modernized through bureaucratization from the casual sport origins played not only by those elites that could afford it, but also the poorer lower class workers.
Which then makes one wonder...Why does one watch NFL football? And if you took out that reason, would people still be interested in the sport? What causes one to lose interest in a sport?
I think that would be based on how that sport is being utilized. This would include the ways of incorporating militarism and using the athletes to promote those values/morals to give the citizens a sense of Nationalism. And when the athlete decides not to abide by the regulations set by the league, are then shunned and spit balled out becoming the exiled outcast whose sacrilegious thoughts are tainting the sport, especially utilizing their very own sport media to present that athlete in this light. All you need to look at is how the media shined the light on Kapernick compared to Rodgers.
The sport of NFL is utilized in this very way. It's why I think people are starting to just be more into College Football because all that stuff that they feel taints the NFL is not present in College Football. There was a game a couple weeks ago where they went into 9th Overtime. I'd like to see that happen in the NFL... :corn
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That sequence that led to the taunting penalty late in last night's game might be the most absurd thing ever in an NFL game.
I get that the taunting penalty is a point of emphasis this year, and that the Bears player should have toned it down a touch after the sack, but no flag was thrown by the official watching it until after the Bears player ran by him and contact was initiated with the official...that the official initiated!! The official literally stuck his butt out to make contact with the Bears player and then threw the flag. I didn't watch the game, so I didn't see it until this morning, and I had to watch it twice to make sure that I actually saw it right, and yep, that is actually what happened. Unreal.
Corrente and his crew were a joke. The guys in the booth continually called out the refs bad calls and their ex-ref booth guy sided with them pretty much every time stating the crew got it wrong. It was like the refs had money on the game. I've always thought Corrente to be one of the worst and he cemented that last night. It's amazing to see the sports world come together on just how bad they were last night. Even non-Bears fans are roasting them. That crew only succeeded in uniting people against them.
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So I don't know about the taunting part; the clips stop kind of quickly. It's hard to tell if he was focused on the Pittsburgh bench, and that kind of matters. Probably shouldn't have been called, though. As for the hip checking, that's nothing. Corrente was clearly trying to get the flag out well before contact was made, so that was definitely not a factor in the penalty. Moreover, Marsh was taking a direct line to the ref, only scooching behind him at the last second. Maybe Corrente put himself further back to make a point, but Marsh shouldn't' have been that close to him in the first place.
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So I don't know about the taunting part; the clips stop kind of quickly. It's hard to tell if he was focused on the Pittsburgh bench, and that kind of matters. Probably shouldn't have been called, though. As for the hip checking, that's nothing. Corrente was clearly trying to get the flag out well before contact was made, so that was definitely not a factor in the penalty. Moreover, Marsh was taking a direct line to the ref, only scooching behind him at the last second. Maybe Corrente put himself further back to make a point, but Marsh shouldn't' have been that close to him in the first place.
Especially with so much open space around Corrente. It looks like he took a path towards the ref.
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That must be why they run that commercial over and over again on NFL Network. "If you could be me and I could be you for just one hour. Walk a mile in my shoes..." Nothing but fantasy. Never gonna happen. Walking in my own shoes is difficult enough these days. Get real and stop cramming ridiculous ideas down our throats 20 times a day.
I totally get your objection. It's part of an agenda that is, let's say, problematic. At the same time, walking a mile in another man's shoes is a noble sentiment, and one that everybody should be willing to take to heart. It's hardly a ridiculous idea, and to be honest, your contempt for it points out while it's so necessary in a time when everybody is so damned judgemental.
Well, it becomes ridiculous through repetition. People get sick of it after a while and that's where the contempt and judgement comes in. Outside of that, if people would just mind their own goddamn business, it's not problematic in the first place. Send the message and be done with it. Constant repetition presents a whole new set of problems.
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I have a question that will takes us back a couple of games:
The Vikings won a game where I think Kirk Cousins threw the winning touchdown but as he and Zimmer were celebrating his demeanor changed as if to look pissed at Cousins and it looked like Zimmer was ready to fight.
What happened with this?
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I have a question that will takes us back a couple of games:
The Vikings won a game where I think Kirk Cousins threw the winning touchdown but as he and Zimmer were celebrating his demeanor changed as if to look pissed at Cousins and it looked like Zimmer was ready to fight.
What happened with this?
Is that when Cousins told him he wasn't vaccinated? ;)
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How nice of the NFL to fine Rodgers 91 cents (basically) for violating the COVID protocols.
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*Opens NFL thread*
*Sees discussions of racial politics, the history of of how the nation state promotes militarism, and COVID mandates*
*Does not feel guilty about not watching Football anymore*
EDIT: And bad reffing. Part of why I haven't watched NBA in a long time either. I can't stand watching the refs screw up everything all the time anymore. No normal person who works a normal job can be as incompetent at it as sports referees are at theirs it's shocking.
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How nice of the NFL to fine Rodgers 91 cents (basically) for violating the COVID protocols.
They only did that because he started badmouthing them. They were ready to roll over for him at first. :lol
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And yet they dragged Brady through the mud over something they couldn't prove. Where's the report on PSI that they were supposed to release the year after the insinuation of deflating the balls?
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*Opens NFL thread*
*Sees discussions of racial politics, the history of of how the nation state promotes militarism, and COVID mandates*
*Does not feel guilty about not watching Football anymore*
EDIT: And bad reffing. Part of why I haven't watched NBA in a long time either. I can't stand watching the refs screw up everything all the time anymore. No normal person who works a normal job can be as incompetent at it as sports referees are at theirs it's shocking.
I don't really blame the refs, more so than the inclusion of more rules that these refs have to know, they have to be basically eagle-eyed to catch them. Then we have commentators making their own opinions on the refs calls using Slow-motion, which stops the games so the refs can see, which creates suspense for the audience.
Which makes me think that they have the refs make these sort of calls, and give them incentive bonuses to create a reaction from the crowd. Which the these sports broadcasters can now spend their entire show discussing, which is the entire point of their shows. Without these controversial calls and discussions, they have no show.
All these work with each other to present the entertainment that is the NFL network. It's a part of the entire entertainment industry model of business. More views, more ratings, more eyes, ears and word of mouth to be discussed.
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I'll reiterate what I've said many times before. If you think that the referees are making calls for ratings, or favoritism, or because they have money on the game, or any other reason not related to the integrity of the game, then stop watching it, FFS. Watch WWF instead where you can see people get "hit" with chairs. If these things are going on then it's not a sporting event, but rather scripted entertainment, and there are better choices out there.
Something else I've said time and time again, the officiating isn't any worse now than it's always been. We're counting on real life human beings to make difficult decisions. Often in realtime, and often with far more complex bases then most of us would realize. Like everything else in the world, missteps are magnified because we can rush to a computer and speculate on what the ref's reason for cheating was. I guarantee you that if the internet was a thing 40 years ago our grandfathers would be bitching about how the officiating is at an all time low, using the exact same language we're seeing right now.
Now for something I haven't said countless times before. We probably need to decide if taunting should be a penalty in the NFL. Personally, I think it should be, I generally dislike their antics (the selfie cam in the endzones annoys me to no end), but there is a compelling reason why it shouldn't be. It's necessary subject to interpretation. It's discretionary on the part of the referee. Either we allow these guys to enforce taunting penalties, and sometimes disagree with them, or we don't and put up with all sorts of silliness. For my part, if I were to abandon the NFL, the childish antics of a bunch of immature millionaires would be a far more likely reason than the occasional bad calls.
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I actually think it's harder to referee these days El Barto. That amount of rules changes they deal with every year is extremely hard to manage every year.
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Plus, they are given stupid rules. My 16-year old nephew is a Bears fan (his mom/my ex-sister in law is from Chicago) and thought the taunting call was bad, and this is what I told him last night, "I agree, but the league is calling it tight, so players have to be smarter. It's like if you are driving on a road where you know cops will pull you over for going 1 mile over the speed limit. It sucks if you get pulled over for going 36 in a 35, but you have to adjust to the situation. Players know that the refs are told to call taunting penalties this year for almost nothing, so tone it down." My beef was with the official clearly initiating contact with the player.
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If you think the NFL refs are bad, take a look at the college football refs :lol Good lord, one game they forced PSU to punt on 3rd down and refused to listen to the side umpires or review crew saying it was 3rd not 4th down. I've never seen such bad officiating.
TBH, I definitely think bias plays a role. They are humans, but it may not be intentional. And there's been cases of refs (NBA at least, not entirely sure of NFL) manipulating games due to gambling. To just throw all that away and think it isn't happening at all is a bit extreme IMO. Just like it's extreme to just assume people have an ulterior motive immediately.
The reality is, the refs are human. They make mistakes, they interpret things differently, and they are also prone to real life feelings and scenarios. Having said that, I'm not sure at all that the refs are worse today than previously. I may make the argument they are better than they ever have been, but technology and the rules themselves have made their mistakes much more glaring. And with social media, it's much harder to hide from your bias' or potential illegal activity so I really don't think that plays much role at all overall.
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In fairness to the many people who have mentioned it, the rules have gotten dumber and harder to enforce.
Which makes me think that they have the refs make these sort of calls, and give them incentive bonuses to create a reaction from the crowd. Which the these sports broadcasters can now spend their entire show discussing, which is the entire point of their shows. Without these controversial calls and discussions, they have no show.
All these work with each other to present the entertainment that is the NFL network. It's a part of the entire entertainment industry model of business. More views, more ratings, more eyes, ears and word of mouth to be discussed.
You can't actually pay the refs bonuses. Would eventually get found out and be a huge scandal.
But look at which refs get assigned to playoffs/Super Bowl games. The best ones? Not necessarily. The ones that call games the way the NFL likes? Absolutely.
Same thing in the NBA. In a just world Tony Brothers would have been fired. The fact he was ever allowed near a playoff or finals game is incomprehensible unless you start looking for deliberate malpractice.
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The problem with the taunting rule is that it’s completely subjective to what individual refs think taunting is. It’s not universal. Also the line is so fine between normal banter and taunting. There needs to be more consistency if it’s to remain as a rule.
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Article 1 of Section 3 of Rule 12 states as follows: "There shall be no unsportsmanlike conduct. This applies to any act which is contrary to the generally understood principles of sportsmanship. Such acts specifically include . . . (c) Using baiting or taunting acts or words that may engender ill will between teams."
Clear as mud.
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:lol the rule might as well just say "don't be mean"
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Cam Newton signed with the Panthers.
I am not sure how I feel about this. Obviously, I hope he plays well.
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Cam Newton signed with the Panthers.
I am not sure how I feel about this. Obviously, I hope he plays well.
Well I think at this point you know what you have in Sam Darnold, and Cam gave Carolina their best years, so why not give him another shot to bring the Panthers success.
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Cam Newton signed with the Panthers.
I am not sure how I feel about this. Obviously, I hope he plays well.
Well I think at this point you know what you have in Sam Darnold, and Cam gave Carolina their best years, so why not give him another shot to bring the Panthers success.
Maybe the ticker on the NFL Network got it wrong but it looks like 1yr 10M dollars? Surly not 10 million dollars. :omg:
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Cam Newton signed with the Panthers.
I am not sure how I feel about this. Obviously, I hope he plays well.
Well I think at this point you know what you have in Sam Darnold, and Cam gave Carolina their best years, so why not give him another shot to bring the Panthers success.
Maybe the ticker on the NFL Network got it wrong but it looks like 1yr 10M dollars? Surly not 10 million dollars. :omg:
I think it’s $10M potential, like including incentives and stuff. Idk how much is guaranteed tho
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Article 1 of Section 3 of Rule 12 states as follows: "There shall be no unsportsmanlike conduct. This applies to any act which is contrary to the generally understood principles of sportsmanship. Such acts specifically include . . . (c) Using baiting or taunting acts or words that may engender ill will between teams."
Clear as mud.
Yes but is it clear as far as how far that goes? Like it’s one thing to celebrate but it’s another thing to taunt. There’s a really large gray area there that needs to be made smaller to be refereed objectively
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Article 1 of Section 3 of Rule 12 states as follows: "There shall be no unsportsmanlike conduct. This applies to any act which is contrary to the generally understood principles of sportsmanship. Such acts specifically include . . . (c) Using baiting or taunting acts or words that may engender ill will between teams."
...What's the point of watching sports then?
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Either you're going to allow the refs to make discretionary calls about sportsmanship or you're not. You simply can't legislate every single action a player might come up with. On the one hand I don't want a league where Deion Sander taunting the entire Falcons sideline while returning a pick 6 is a penalty, that was fantastic, but I want a league where the players can behave as ridiculously as they want even less.
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Article 1 of Section 3 of Rule 12 states as follows: "There shall be no unsportsmanlike conduct. This applies to any act which is contrary to the generally understood principles of sportsmanship. Such acts specifically include . . . (c) Using baiting or taunting acts or words that may engender ill will between teams."
Clear as mud.
Yes but is it clear as far as how far that goes? Like it’s one thing to celebrate but it’s another thing to taunt. There’s a really large gray area there that needs to be made smaller to be refereed objectively
Hence "clear as mud."
Either you're going to allow the refs to make discretionary calls about sportsmanship or you're not. You simply can't legislate every single action a player might come up with. On the one hand I don't want a league where Deion Sander taunting the entire Falcons sideline while returning a pick 6 is a penalty, that was fantastic, but I want a league where the players can behave as ridiculously as they want even less.
Exactly. There has to be a huge amount of discretion with something like this. The problem is that (1) the "point of emphasis" has gone WAY over the edge, and (2) football is the only major sport where this sort of call can materially impact the game. Gain 30 yards to get into field goal range with 5 seconds left on the clock...and...get called for taunting and get pushed back 15 yards, out of field goal range. You were all set to kick a 50-yard game-winning field goal but now have to choose between trying a 65 yard field goal or running a "Hail Mary" play.
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I actually think it's harder to referee these days El Barto. That amount of rules changes they deal with every year is extremely hard to manage every year.
Almost every player who comments on it will tell you the game gets faster and faster each year. That too plays into the ability of refs to keep up with the game.
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Cam Newton signed with the Panthers.
I am not sure how I feel about this. Obviously, I hope he plays well.
Well I think at this point you know what you have in Sam Darnold, and Cam gave Carolina their best years, so why not give him another shot to bring the Panthers success.
Maybe the ticker on the NFL Network got it wrong but it looks like 1yr 10M dollars? Surly not 10 million dollars. :omg:
What I saw was 4.5 guaranteed.
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Cam Newton signed with the Panthers.
I am not sure how I feel about this. Obviously, I hope he plays well.
Well I think at this point you know what you have in Sam Darnold, and Cam gave Carolina their best years, so why not give him another shot to bring the Panthers success.
Maybe the ticker on the NFL Network got it wrong but it looks like 1yr 10M dollars? Surly not 10 million dollars. :omg:
What I saw was 4.5 guaranteed.
Yep - and he can make up to 10M. Just WOW! OK - give him another chance but for THAT kind of money? Sorry but I say. :tdwn
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Rams signed Beckham.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32608165/odell-beckham-jr-finalizing-deal-los-angeles-rams
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Either you're going to allow the refs to make discretionary calls about sportsmanship or you're not. You simply can't legislate every single action a player might come up with. On the one hand I don't want a league where Deion Sander taunting the entire Falcons sideline while returning a pick 6 is a penalty, that was fantastic, but I want a league where the players can behave as ridiculously as they want even less.
Exactly. There has to be a huge amount of discretion with something like this. The problem is that (1) the "point of emphasis" has gone WAY over the edge, and (2) football is the only major sport where this sort of call can materially impact the game. Gain 30 yards to get into field goal range with 5 seconds left on the clock...and...get called for taunting and get pushed back 15 yards, out of field goal range. You were all set to kick a 50-yard game-winning field goal but now have to choose between trying a 65 yard field goal or running a "Hail Mary" play.
A ticky-tack holding call, which is also subjective (there's holding on every play, remember) can have the same effect. Or PI, which is called differently every single game. How many touchdowns get called back because of some barely noticeable holding penalty? I always point out the 78 Super Bowl where Benny Barnes got flagged for getting tripped by Lynn Swann, which shifted the momentum back to the Steelers. It sucks when it happens like that, but sometimes it just does. Refereeing is simply part of the game, and my hunch is that it all evens out in the end.
Also, between Cassius Marsh and Brian Burns, I'm really sick of the bitching and moaning. At worst the thing with Mac Jones was a missed holding call, and this idiot is acting like it's the return of Bill Romanowski. While I'd personally find it pretty amusing if a quarterback named McCorkle turned out to be a secretly violent and viscous player, this is just silly.
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Cassius Marsh also took a beeline right to the ref. There was plenty of space to avoid him.
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I disagree. Marsh turned around and ran direct for his own sideline. The ref then went out of his way to make contact.
But that guy from Carolina needs to shut it. I have zero problem with anything Mac Jones did on that play.
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The ref did stick his ass out(one step back) no doubt but Marsh took a like basically at him with a wide open field. So he put himself in a position to have this happen.
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Eh, I'd have to watch it again, but I just remember him turning around and running to his sideline and then the ref bumping him. I don't think Marsh even thought about the official because he did not expect to be flagged, so he was just running past him.
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Watch it again. He has so much space to get to the sidelines.
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This is the first time I've watched the whole clip as it was broadcast (the taunting, not the bumping the ref part).
Marsh fucked up, and based on what the ref saw he was correct to throw the flag. He was wrong, mind you, but from his perspective Marsh was taunting the punter. The ref misinterpreting what he was seeing is unfortunate, but the truth is that Marsh was deliberately directing his antics at the Steelers bench, he certainly wasn't trying to hide it, and he wound up interacting with the punter whether it was his intention or not. Kev's speeding analogy really takes a new light here. He created a situation where his actions were misinterpreted.
Watch where Marsh, the punter, and the ref are in relation to each other. After Marsh is already shouting at the steelers bench, how does the punter interaction look from the ref's vantage point? What really got him was the sidestepping in the path of the punter, I reckon.
(https://j.gifs.com/46WY56.gif)
Ironically, the reason he took such a direct path at the ref is because he'd been staying in front of the punter, not taunting him. :lol
edit: Also, I didn't realize that this was the same guy that didn't have any fun playing for Bill and the Patriots. Hope he enjoyed himself Monday night. :lol
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Any given Thursday! Dolphins beat the Ravens. :corn
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Either you're going to allow the refs to make discretionary calls about sportsmanship or you're not. You simply can't legislate every single action a player might come up with. On the one hand I don't want a league where Deion Sander taunting the entire Falcons sideline while returning a pick 6 is a penalty, that was fantastic, but I want a league where the players can behave as ridiculously as they want even less.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXEkZuwRBfQ
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Watch where Marsh, the punter, and the ref are in relation to each other. After Marsh is already shouting at the steelers bench, how does the punter interaction look from the ref's vantage point? What really got him was the sidestepping in the path of the punter, I reckon.
I think the skipping may have played into it too. Sort of has a "neener, neener" quality to it.
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Watch where Marsh, the punter, and the ref are in relation to each other. After Marsh is already shouting at the steelers bench, how does the punter interaction look from the ref's vantage point? What really got him was the sidestepping in the path of the punter, I reckon.
I think the skipping may have played into it too. Sort of has a "neener, neener" quality to it.
It looked to my eyes that the ref had his hand on the flag as if to say 'just give me a reason' and we he got barely bumped that's when he threw it. He could have thrown that flag while Marsh was shouting at the Steelers bench.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/PfmC857r/20211112-124923.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PN5XgThB)
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Watch where Marsh, the punter, and the ref are in relation to each other. After Marsh is already shouting at the steelers bench, how does the punter interaction look from the ref's vantage point? What really got him was the sidestepping in the path of the punter, I reckon.
I think the skipping may have played into it too. Sort of has a "neener, neener" quality to it.
It looked to my eyes that the ref had his hand on the flag as if to say 'just give me a reason' and we he got barely bumped that's when he threw it. He could have thrown that flag while Marsh was shouting at the Steelers bench.
If you watch a clip of the bumping incident he was clearly fumbling to get the flag. He decided to throw it a couple of seconds before he actually did throw it. In fact, I think he might have been reaching for it at the end of the gif I posted when he raises his hand to his belt (which is exactly where the flag was). That's part of the reason I think the ref thought he was taunting the punter. It was immediately after the skipping thing that he reached for the flag.
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https://twitter.com/KentrellFree_/status/1458938461856096257/photo/1
:lol
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That was a damn fine half from New England. After the Browns opening drive they turned dominant, and gained confidence with every possession.
I've been waiting to see Rhamandre Stevenson for a while. He's got an excellent combination of skills. Aside from his size, he's got incredible balance, and he never stops moving his feet. He's always looking for traction to move forward. Give that guy another year and he's going to be unstoppable.
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Yeah. He hits the hole fast. No hesitation and keeps those legs pumping.
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As much as I despise tie games, nobody deserves to win Pitt/Det. This is the sloppiest OT I've ever seen. I wish there were a game to give them both a loss.
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I bet a co-worker a lunch this week that the Patriots would win the AFC East (a friendly wager just for fun). I am feeling pretty good about that after today. This looks like the 2001 Patriots.
Meanwhile, the Broncos need to cut Teddy Bridgewater the second this game ends. I am not kidding. He quit on the team. And he is the QB. To hell with that guy. And to hell with that organization if they keep him.
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Meanwhile, the Broncos need to cut Teddy Bridgewater the second this game ends. I am not kidding. He quit on the team. And he is the QB. To hell with that guy. And to hell with that organization if they keep him.
What happened?
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Meanwhile, the Broncos need to cut Teddy Bridgewater the second this game ends. I am not kidding. He quit on the team. And he is the QB. To hell with that guy. And to hell with that organization if they keep him.
What happened?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHwk2KpgIWQ
Around the 20-second mark. He literally watches the player run past him for the score. I get that you don't want your QB getting hurt trying to make a tackle on a runback, but you can't do what he did. There is no way his teammates can have any respect for him after they get in the film room and see that tomorrow.
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Oh, that is awful. At least Mac Jones would've twisted his ankle.
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Exactly. :lol :lol
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Kev, that was pathetic. I feel your pain.
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Oh, BTW, I don't usually come in here and ballwash, but Mac Jones was fucking nails today.
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Marino had the good sense to run out of bounds after a turnover.
That 20 hours a day of finger rehab certainly paid off for Russell Wilson today.
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So much for the Lions perfect season. Kissing your sister ain't so bad after all :D
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Oh, BTW, I don't usually come in here and ballwash, but Mac Jones was fucking nails today.
He seems to make the right read all the time and has great touch where only a receiver can catch the pass.
No rookie looks like this in my memory.
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Meanwhile, the Broncos need to cut Teddy Bridgewater the second this game ends. I am not kidding. He quit on the team. And he is the QB. To hell with that guy. And to hell with that organization if they keep him.
What happened?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHwk2KpgIWQ
Around the 20-second mark. He literally watches the player run past him for the score. I get that you don't want your QB getting hurt trying to make a tackle on a runback, but you can't do what he did. There is no way his teammates can have any respect for him after they get in the film room and see that tomorrow.
They were still in the game. When you said he'd given up on them I figured you meant the game was out of hand. That was awful, and it's not going to go over well tomorrow when they're watching the tape.
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Predictably, NBC said nothing about it when they showed the highlights of that game, other than for one of the jugheads to say, "the Broncos appeared to not know that wasn't a live play." :lol :lol :lol
I won't say the obvious, but will just say that if that had been Kirk Cousins, Baker Mayfield, Jimmy G or Ryan Tannehill, they would have crucified him for it. I will leave it at that.
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Oh, BTW, I don't usually come in here and ballwash, but Mac Jones was fucking nails today.
He seems to make the right read all the time and has great touch where only a receiver can catch the pass.
No rookie looks like this in my memory.
That kid's ball placement is really something else. We've seen him have a bad game, and he was pretty inaccurate. When he has his head screwed on right he's got amazing accuracy. As for touch, that's come a long ways, too. In his first few games he was putting the ball right out where a receiver would want it, but he was drilling them in there. Now he seems to be dropping it in there when need be, and firing bullets when that's necessary. That TD throw into double coverage was a thing of beauty.
That said, it remains to be seen how well he develops. Next year will be the telling point. And with that in mind, I hope he doesn't get overconfident in his ability to rifle a ball into tight spaces. That's something that can kill young quarterbacks. Somehow I doubt Bill is going to let him get a big head, but you never know.
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Predictably, NBC said nothing about it when they showed the highlights of that game, other than for one of the jugheads to say, "the Broncos appeared to not know that wasn't a live play." :lol :lol :lol
I won't say the obvious, but will just say that if that had been Kirk Cousins, Baker Mayfield, Jimmy G or Ryan Tannehill, they would have crucified him for it. I will leave it at that.
I actually considered that watching it. It certainly didn't seem like it should have been live. At the same time, TB was running with the coverage, so he seemed to know, or at least assume. More importantly, though, it doesn't matter. Only losers fail to play through the whistle.
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El Barto, the kid seems mature beyond his years and already does the Belichick speach. I feel he won't get too cocky and improve.
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Well, today's game was fun.
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Well, today's game was fun.
Did Cam start? He only threw 4 passes so I'm confused.
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Well, today's game was fun.
Did Cam start? He only threw 4 passes so I'm confused.
I'm happy for him. He was a good soldier here.
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Mike White stinking up the joint was probably for the best. Now we can get back to rooting for Zach Wilson, no need for another QB controversy in New York.
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Well, today's game was fun.
Did Cam start? He only threw 4 passes so I'm confused.
No. He only played 5 or 6 plays. He only had one practice so far, but they worked in a small package of mostly short yardage plays. He ran for a touchdown and threw one, as well.
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I only saw parts of the game, but it's clear that the Chiefs are simply not very good this year. Mahomes doesn't even look like the same QB. That INT he threw was atrocious, and he threw another that was dropped (the one late I will not count against him because all indications are that he knew that the Giants had jumped offsides and a flag had been thrown, so he knew he had a free play). Plus, it's the eye test. He just doesn't look like the same QB. He used to just walk out there and move with swagger. He now looks like a guy unsure of himself. A big part of that could be how bad his o-line is and knowing he has to run for his life on every other play, but the fantasy some have that the Chiefs will get it together and become the powerhouse team again any day now is just that, a fantasy.
For those that care to dig into the data, the Chiefs this year are still moving the ball and converting first downs at an elite level. As soon as the turnover luck evens out they'll be fine, as long as the defense is average.
https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1452655259831128067/photo/1
Hmmm . . .
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Oh, BTW, I don't usually come in here and ballwash, but Mac Jones was fucking nails today.
He seems to make the right read all the time and has great touch where only a receiver can catch the pass.
No rookie looks like this in my memory.
That kid's ball placement is really something else. We've seen him have a bad game, and he was pretty inaccurate. When he has his head screwed on right he's got amazing accuracy. As for touch, that's come a long ways, too. In his first few games he was putting the ball right out where a receiver would want it, but he was drilling them in there. Now he seems to be dropping it in there when need be, and firing bullets when that's necessary. That TD throw into double coverage was a thing of beauty.
That said, it remains to be seen how well he develops. Next year will be the telling point. And with that in mind, I hope he doesn't get overconfident in his ability to rifle a ball into tight spaces. That's something that can kill young quarterbacks. Somehow I doubt Bill is going to let him get a big head, but you never know.
Well, as much as I like the Patriots and like what I'm seeing, fair is fair. The league caught up with Kansas City (and no, one game against a reeling Raiders doesn't make them all good again, Rod Woodson), the league caught up with Tampa Bay, the league WILL catch up to Mac Jones. The trick will be whether he's got what it takes to get the jump again. With Bill and Josh, I'm thinking he might.
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Oh, BTW, I don't usually come in here and ballwash, but Mac Jones was fucking nails today.
He seems to make the right read all the time and has great touch where only a receiver can catch the pass.
No rookie looks like this in my memory.
I dunno:
Dak Prescott
Joe Burrow
Justin Herbert
Those are a few that come to mind. But no doubt that the Pats are in good shape with Mac Jones at the helm.
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No you're right. My memory sucks. Lol. I just hope we see improvement every year.
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Raiders and Chargers sliding down the standings. At least I still have the Rams and the Cards lost.
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I love the beautiful symmetry of the 4 QBs to have 3 games of 400+ yds and at least five TDs all having surnames that begin with M . . .
Montana
Marino
Manning,P
Mahomes
Talk about a murderer's row of Qbs . . . Mt Rushmore.
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I love the story on the Superbowl where Montana saw his team was tight with 3:30 left in the game and in the huddle and asked, "Isn't that John Candy?"
https://www.nfl.com/100/originals/100-greatest/games-19
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I love the beautiful symmetry of the 4 QBs to have 3 games of 400+ yds and at least five TDs all having surnames that begin with M . . .
Montana
Marino
Manning,P
Mahomes
Talk about a murderer's row of Qbs . . . Mt Rushmore.
What league are you watching? That doesn't have the two greatest QBs to ever play the game on there.
Mt. Rushmore for the NFL:
Unitas
Manning
Brady
Montana.
Mahomes is a DECADE from that list, at least.
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Agreed. He definitely had an unbelievably good couple of seasons. But we need to see sustained excellence before he joins the Hall of Justice.
Meanwhile, almost everyone in Panther country is ga-ga over Cam's return, and he has certainly given the area an injection of energy, but the real hallmark of this team is the defense. They are good, fast, and young.
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Agreed. He definitely had an unbelievably good couple of seasons. But we need to see sustained excellence before he joins the Hall of Justice.
Meanwhile, almost everyone in Panther country is ga-ga over Cam's return, and he has certainly given the area an injection of energy, but the real hallmark of this team is the defense. They are good, fast, and young.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3qC9NKDt0c
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Agreed. He definitely had an unbelievably good couple of seasons. But we need to see sustained excellence before he joins the Hall of Justice.
Meanwhile, almost everyone in Panther country is ga-ga over Cam's return, and he has certainly given the area an injection of energy, but the real hallmark of this team is the defense. They are good, fast, and young.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3qC9NKDt0c
Goddammit
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That reminds me of this dude dressed in a power blue lucha libre wrestling suit and mask singing San Diego....Super Chargers!
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Agreed. He definitely had an unbelievably good couple of seasons. But we need to see sustained excellence before he joins the Hall of Justice.
Meanwhile, almost everyone in Panther country is ga-ga over Cam's return, and he has certainly given the area an injection of energy, but the real hallmark of this team is the defense. They are good, fast, and young.
He's still not ever winning a Super Bowl, though. Not unless he resigns with New England.
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Agreed. He definitely had an unbelievably good couple of seasons. But we need to see sustained excellence before he joins the Hall of Justice.
Meanwhile, almost everyone in Panther country is ga-ga over Cam's return, and he has certainly given the area an injection of energy, but the real hallmark of this team is the defense. They are good, fast, and young.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3qC9NKDt0c
Goddammit
Wow. I watched all of that.
(Kind of like the growl, though!)
EDIT: Rabbit hole! Here I come!!! https://youtu.be/52a3cXS-_RA
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Agreed. He definitely had an unbelievably good couple of seasons. But we need to see sustained excellence before he joins the Hall of Justice.
Meanwhile, almost everyone in Panther country is ga-ga over Cam's return, and he has certainly given the area an injection of energy, but the real hallmark of this team is the defense. They are good, fast, and young.
He's still not ever winning a Super Bowl, though. Not unless he resigns with New England.
OK, Nostradamus.
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There are already players in the Hall for far less than what Mahomes has already accomplished. If his career were to end this year, and I would still think he belongs in the HoF eventually.
After all, there's no objective measure for who should and should not be in the hall, as far as I know. It's called the Hall of Fame: "Hall of Fame", not "Hall of Stats", even if stats play a big role, the most important criteria are far more subjective and even based on what Mahomes has accomplished so far it would be hard to me to imagine him not being strongly considered even if the rest of his career is not so great.
BTW, people are acting like the wheels have fallen off this year because of the INTs. I agree that it's not as good as it has been in years past, but it's not like the wheels have completely fallen off. We're still only halfway through the season and he's on currently pace to throw nearly 50 TD's again :lol
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I love the beautiful symmetry of the 4 QBs to have 3 games of 400+ yds and at least five TDs all having surnames that begin with M . . .
Montana
Marino
Manning,P
Mahomes
Talk about a murderer's row of Qbs . . . Mt Rushmore.
What league are you watching? That doesn't have the two greatest QBs to ever play the game on there.
Mt. Rushmore for the NFL:
Unitas
Manning
Brady
Montana.
Mahomes is a DECADE from that list, at least.
Except Brady and Unitas don’t have the specific accomplishment mentioned in this post. Marino and Mahomes do. The post wasn’t saying “these are the four greatest quarterbacks of all time”. It was saying “these are the four quarterbacks who have done this specific thing”.
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There are already players in the Hall for far less than what Mahomes has already accomplished. If his career were to end this year, and I would still think he belongs in the HoF eventually.
After all, there's no objective measure for who should and should not be in the hall, as far as I know. It's called the Hall of Fame: "Hall of Fame", not "Hall of Stats", even if stats play a big role, the most important criteria are far more subjective and even based on what Mahomes has accomplished so far it would be hard to me to imagine him not being strongly considered even if the rest of his career is not so great.
BTW, people are acting like the wheels have fallen off this year because of the INTs. I agree that it's not as good as it has been in years past, but it's not like the wheels have completely fallen off. We're still only halfway through the season and he's on currently pace to throw nearly 50 TD's again :lol
I agree that the wheels have not fallen off, but I think some have it in their heads that he walked into the league and has been the best QB since he became a starter when in reality that is not the case. He has struggled too much this season at times to eventually be the MVP or All-Pro 1st team, so this will be the 3rd season in a row he was neither the MVP nor the best QB that season. You can't be the unquestioned best QB in football if you aren't getting those kinds of accomplishments, like when Favre was the MVP three years in a row in the later 90s or when Peyton Manning had a 3-year stretch where he won the MVP twice and was All-Pro 1st team all three times. IF Mahomes is truly the best, he should be showing the best on a much more regular basis than he has been.
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Agreed. He definitely had an unbelievably good couple of seasons. But we need to see sustained excellence before he joins the Hall of Justice.
Meanwhile, almost everyone in Panther country is ga-ga over Cam's return, and he has certainly given the area an injection of energy, but the real hallmark of this team is the defense. They are good, fast, and young.
He's still not ever winning a Super Bowl, though. Not unless he resigns with New England.
OK, Nostradamus.
:tup :tup ;D ;D
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I love the beautiful symmetry of the 4 QBs to have 3 games of 400+ yds and at least five TDs all having surnames that begin with M . . .
Montana
Marino
Manning,P
Mahomes
Talk about a murderer's row of Qbs . . . Mt Rushmore.
What league are you watching? That doesn't have the two greatest QBs to ever play the game on there.
Mt. Rushmore for the NFL:
Unitas
Manning
Brady
Montana.
Mahomes is a DECADE from that list, at least.
Except Brady and Unitas don’t have the specific accomplishment mentioned in this post. Marino and Mahomes do. The post wasn’t saying “these are the four greatest quarterbacks of all time”. It was saying “these are the four quarterbacks who have done this specific thing”.
I took "Mt. Rushmore" to be something different. We seem to use that term a lot here - meaning on the forum, not in the NFL thread - to mean "the four greatest". Your "Mt Rushmore of Drumming" (Bonham, Collins, Peart, Portnoy). I got the initial part about the specific stat, but then it seemed to veer into "these are the greatest of all time" with the last part. If not, my mistake (though my point stands, because historically, Dream Team has severely, almost chronically devalued Brady's accomplishments while simultaneously jumping the gun on annointing Mahomes to all time greatness.)
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There are already players in the Hall for far less than what Mahomes has already accomplished. If his career were to end this year, and I would still think he belongs in the HoF eventually.
After all, there's no objective measure for who should and should not be in the hall, as far as I know. It's called the Hall of Fame: "Hall of Fame", not "Hall of Stats", even if stats play a big role, the most important criteria are far more subjective and even based on what Mahomes has accomplished so far it would be hard to me to imagine him not being strongly considered even if the rest of his career is not so great.
BTW, people are acting like the wheels have fallen off this year because of the INTs. I agree that it's not as good as it has been in years past, but it's not like the wheels have completely fallen off. We're still only halfway through the season and he's on currently pace to throw nearly 50 TD's again :lol
I agree that the wheels have not fallen off, but I think some have it in their heads that he walked into the league and has been the best QB since he became a starter when in reality that is not the case. He has struggled too much this season at times to eventually be the MVP or All-Pro 1st team, so this will be the 3rd season in a row he was neither the MVP nor the best QB that season. You can't be the unquestioned best QB in football if you aren't getting those kinds of accomplishments, like when Favre was the MVP three years in a row in the later 90s or when Peyton Manning had a 3-year stretch where he won the MVP twice and was All-Pro 1st team all three times. IF Mahomes is truly the best, he should be showing the best on a much more regular basis than he has been.
My comment was about whether he will be considered hall worthy when he retires, not whether he is the "best" right now. Very different conversations imo.
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Who the fuck are these guys in the Niner's uniforms? Fuck they look good tonight.
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Who the fuck are these guys in the Niner's uniforms? Fuck they look good tonight.
They put a lot of guys in motion during the snap. One of these snaps is gonna hit a guy in the ass..
Honestly, it's kind of annoying. What is this, college?
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Better than the train wreck we've been watching here the last few weeks
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Wow, I had completely written this game off.
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I can't say I was totally surprised by that result, as Kyle Shanahan has kinda owned McVay more often than not, and the 49ers were kind of in a "we need to win to have any chance to save the season" mode, but that is the second week the Rams fell behind early and then looked like scared rabbits the rest of the game. It's like they had no fight, no comeback, no counterpunch. Is McVay's team really this soft? Because it sure looks like it.
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Wow, I had completely written this game off.
I wasn't even watching...did a workout and was cleaning my room to music. It wasn't until I finally checked my score notifications around the second half that I saw what was going on. :lol
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The Peyton/Eli broadcast was GOLD for this game. Peyton in particular really put this into perspective; the Niners came out and played their game and the Rams never adjusted. They were still playing that sort of deep(er) zone D even into the fourth quarter, even though the Niners running game was dominating the tone of the game.
I'm not the hugest Shanahan fan - good coach who still gets out-coached enough at times to not be a GREAT coach - but his going for it on 4th down (the last touchdown) was genius. Not because of the outcome, but because it showed a deep understanding of the way the game was going. Peyton (and Eli) had both said "take the safe route and punt" after the time out was called, but Kyle did not take his foot off the gas and it's not like the play was something out of left field; it was something they had been doing all game.
EDIT: And even though it was waved off (PI flag) that butt-hole interception was something special. ;) :) :)
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All four of my teams embarrassed this week ::)
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Sorry, man. I know that pain.
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Not me! :metal
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YOU SHUT UP I'LL FIGHT YOU RIGHT NOW! >:(
Which team is yours again?
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So I haven't been to a game in years, but my Uncle just asked me to an Eagles game.
Cheapest seats are $130 at the very top and parking is $40. Damn... Boy times have changed :lol
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So I haven't been to a game in years, but my Uncle just asked me to an Eagles game.
Cheapest seats are $130 at the very top and parking is $40. Damn... Boy times have changed :lol
My parents had Cowboys season tickets when Texas Stadium first opened up in 1971. The tickets were 10.00 bucks a piece and Blue parking (parking close to the stadium) was 25.00 a season (I think). Times have indeed changed......
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Not me! :metal
Yeah you do. Does week 9 Denver at Dallas ring a bell? :justjen
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Not me! :metal
Yeah you do. Does week 9 Denver at Dallas ring a bell? :justjen
What? Every team has one of those games. It's the response that counts. Does week 10 ring a bell?
Sorry dude - weak response. :tdwn
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Percentage of TD passes this season from drives starting on opponent's side of the field:
Brady: 40.7%
Rodgers: 23.5%
Murray: 17.7%
Cousins: 16.7%
Herbert: 15.8%
Prescott: 15.0%
Burrow: 15.0%
Stafford: 12.5%
Mahomes: 12.0%
Allen: 5.3%
:omg: :omg: I mean, HOW does it continue on year after year. The rust-resistant, bile-resistant horseshoe.
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Or, hear me out. He finishes where other QB's can't. You give him the opportunity and he will make you pay.
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Not me! :metal
Yeah you do. Does week 9 Denver at Dallas ring a bell? :justjen
What? Every team has one of those games. It's the response that counts. Does week 10 ring a bell?
Sorry dude - weak response. :tdwn
It doesn't make week 9 any less embarrassing. Both teams are at the bottom of their division, so the response in wk 10 was pretty much a no-brainer as wk 9 should've been. Just sayin'
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/how-patriots-tackle-trent-brown-treated-his-former-high-school-team-to-the-game-against-the-falcons/ar-AAQSBaF?ocid=hplocalnews
Nice!
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Or, hear me out. He finishes where other QB's can't. You give him the opportunity and he will make you pay.
Let's leave Gisele out of this.
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Or, hear me out. He finishes where other QB's can't. You give him the opportunity and he will make you pay.
Let's leave Gisele out of this.
Can I add that to his resume? Lol
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Or, hear me out. He finishes where other QB's can't. You give him the opportunity and he will make you pay.
Let's leave Gisele out of this.
:lol
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Pat's D really rounding into shape right now.
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Seems crazy to say now, but the Patriots are probably more likely to make the Super Bowl right now than the Bucs. A big part of that are the conferences, as the NFC is really top heavy and the AFC is not, but Belichick has that team rolling now. Coaching isn't what it used to be in the NFL, and that makes it easier for super geniuses like the Hoodie to dominate.
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Will see soon enough with the Titans and 2 games vs. the Bills.
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No doubt that Mac Jones is impressive and credit should also go to Josh McDaniels for coaching Mac well.
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I'm not sure how they'll do, but I'm looking forward to seeing the Patriots play a quality team right now. They're playing very good football right now, but there just seems to be caveat there that they've been playing the right teams at the right times. SD and CLE are respectable, and they held their own against Dallas and Tampa, but at this point I really want to see how they do against Tenn and Buff. With ten days to prepare and gameplan, I like their chances against Tenn. They'll probably split their games with Buff, so I'm not sure how the first one goes.
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Seems crazy to say now, but the Patriots are probably more likely to make the Super Bowl right now than the Bucs. A big part of that are the conferences, as the NFC is really top heavy and the AFC is not, but Belichick has that team rolling now. Coaching isn't what it used to be in the NFL, and that makes it easier for super geniuses like the Hoodie to dominate.
There's still a lot of football to be played but I heard the other day that the Bucs have the oldest roster in the league and it's around this time of the year where age shows it's ugly face. Perhaps it was the wrong thought process to bring back every starter and not inject younger blood.
I guess we shall see.......Yes, we shall see...
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The Bucs team is in a weird disconnect of late. Arians said they've been practicing great but not showing up at gametime esp for the last game. God knows what AB is up to but with him and Gronk out, they seem to not finish strong offensively. At defense, I imagine they'll rally hard and hopefully get healthy and play solid leading up to the playoffs.
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For all of the flack Belichick gets for his recent drafts (save for the last one), his ability to find quality unknowns is phenomenal. Looking into it, of their starting secondary (nickel), which now leads the league in INTs, three are UDAs and one is a 7th round castaway. The only one he actually drafted was McCourty. JC Jackson will go on to make a fortune next year, just like Malcolm Butler did, and probably be replaced by some other guy currently working at a Home Depot who will continue the pattern. Also UDAs are the starting C for the last 6 years, suddenly studly RB Brandon Bolden, and 1st team all pro returner Olszewski. This is something he's done time and time again for 20 years, going back to Randall Gay and Steve Neal. The guy's just got a knack for finding people he can turn into solid players.
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For all of the flack Belichick gets for his recent drafts (save for the last one), his ability to find quality unknowns is phenomenal. Looking into it, of their starting secondary (nickel), which now leads the league in INTs, three are UDAs and one is a 7th round castaway. The only one he actually drafted was McCourty. JC Jackson will go on to make a fortune next year, just like Malcolm Butler did, and probably be replaced by some other guy currently working at a Home Depot who will continue the pattern. Also UDAs are the starting C for the last 6 years, suddenly studly RB Brandon Bolden, and 1st team all pro returner Olszewski. This is something he's done time and time again for 20 years, going back to Randall Gay and Steve Neal. The guy's just got a knack for finding people he can turn into solid players.
How about this years story with Jakob Johnson.
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Wish the Ravens could have afforded to re-sign Matt Judon. He has fit in quite well with the Pats, and his vacancy here has been evident every week.
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@ Teddy Bridgewater..
This is how it's done!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAPFgEY34-s
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@ Teddy Bridgewater..
This is how it's done!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAPFgEY34-s
Yeah, I kinda wish he hadn't gotten into that, but I certainly can't fault him. That's pride kicking in. My boss doesn't yell at me when I fuck up because I'm harder on myself than he would be, and if I screw something up I don't want others fixing it. With his rookie mentality, I suspect it was important for him to do whatever he could to offset his mistake.
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@ Teddy Bridgewater..
This is how it's done!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAPFgEY34-s
Yeah, I kinda wish he hadn't gotten into that, but I certainly can't fault him. That's pride kicking in. My boss doesn't yell at me when I fuck up because I'm harder on myself than he would be, and if I screw something up I don't want others fixing it. With his rookie mentality, I suspect it was important for him to do whatever he could to offset his mistake.
Oh yeah, he'll eventually learn to just let Jakob Johnson just mush the guy himself. I think things like that goes a long way with the guys in the room.
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The Bucs team is in a weird disconnect of late. Arians said they've been practicing great but not showing up at gametime esp for the last game. God knows what AB is up to but with him and Gronk out, they seem to not finish strong offensively. At defense, I imagine they'll rally hard and hopefully get healthy and play solid leading up to the playoffs.
Typical Arians. "I prepared them well and had a good practice, but they just didn't play well." He always like to duck much responsibility when things are not going well.
For all of the flack Belichick gets for his recent drafts (save for the last one), his ability to find quality unknowns is phenomenal. Looking into it, of their starting secondary (nickel), which now leads the league in INTs, three are UDAs and one is a 7th round castaway. The only one he actually drafted was McCourty. JC Jackson will go on to make a fortune next year, just like Malcolm Butler did, and probably be replaced by some other guy currently working at a Home Depot who will continue the pattern. Also UDAs are the starting C for the last 6 years, suddenly studly RB Brandon Bolden, and 1st team all pro returner Olszewski. This is something he's done time and time again for 20 years, going back to Randall Gay and Steve Neal. The guy's just got a knack for finding people he can turn into solid players.
Maybe it is just what I notice, but it feels like a lot of the flack BB gets in his inability draft good WRs. Seems like every time they draft a WR, he is a bust or underachieves. Think of how many rookie WRs emerge every season now, and they never seem to be on the Patriots. That said, you are totally right about him getting the most of players, especially role players. Take James White. That guy is probably a nobody on any other team, yet Belichick used him in spots where he did best and flourished for years as a result. And he is just one example.
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Jakobi Meyers comes to mind. Seems like there's always a late round or undrafted like Jakobi who shines for the Pats.
I also think in the second half of BB's drafts he's had duds in the higher rounds. Like Harry.
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Meyers had 26-359-0 his rookie season. Not exactly a good example there, sir. ;)
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Meyers had 26-359-0 his rookie season. Not exactly a good example there, sir. ;)
Brady didn't like him.
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Look how he's progressed. I'm not talking one year. It's like Julian Edelman.
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Right, but my earlier point was about how many WRs we see emerge as rookies nowadays and how they are never on the Patriots. Myers does not fill the bill. :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Didn't catch that. Just thinking undrafted or late rounders do well for the Pats compared to bigger draft picks.
This year excluded. They hit a home run with Jones & Barmore.
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That rookie RB looks good as well. If Mac Jones doesn't regress and stays an efficient, good QB, the Patriots will win another ring by 2024. Book it.
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It's very deja vu this year to 2001. At least this new feeling again of the unknown.
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While I think BB is the GOAT of NFL coaches, I think he has been given too much credit for drafting and not enough criticism during the lean years. As I understand it, he was in charge of the draft for a couple of years and eventually gave that up after a couple of years of draft stinkers.
NFL teams that are successful this year have a quality OC and New England has one of the best which is why I give JM more credit for the development of Mac Jones more than BB.
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He gets criticism all the time here locally for that. The media definitely questioned him.
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He gets criticism all the time here locally for that. The media definitely questioned him.
OK - fair enough.
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He gets plenty of criticism for his drafts. Much of it is deserved, and much of it is not. Coaches tend to be judged on their high draft picks while their 5-7s go under the radar, and Bill's been able to draft high round talent in the bottom rounds of the draft. Not to mention the undrafted guys, which in my book counts towards your draft skill.
Also, Bill's roll in the development of McCorkle is determining how much to expose him to, how much of a leash he's on, and how to best let him develop. He's done a splendid job of that. Trevor Lawrence and Zach Wilson pretty much got the Troy Aikman treatment, and it remains to be seen if that works for them. Mac was given time to develop, with a little more freedom and responsibility each week, and it's paying off.
Also, GO COLTS!
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Colts soon to be 6-2 after the 0-3 start.
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Colts soon to be 6-2 after the 0-3 start.
Patriots fixing to be in sole possession of the AFC-E.
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Matt Nagy's silly ass just let the crowd goad him into a bad decision, and the result was a turnover on downs already at the edge of Tucker's range for a go-ahead fieldgoal.
edit: and his D, which he should have relied on in the first place, just bailed him out of a dipshit decision.
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Entertaining game betwixt GB and the Vikings. Unless your a GB fan.
Oh and I guess Cam is not really back..... :yeahright
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I bet a co-worker a lunch this week that the Patriots would win the AFC East (a friendly wager just for fun). I am feeling pretty good about that after today. This looks like the 2001 Patriots.
:corn :corn
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Colts soon to be 6-2 after the 0-3 start.
How can they be 6-2 if the started 0-3? Your math skills equal your spelling skills.
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Colts soon to be 6-2 after the 0-3 start.
How can they be 6-2 if the started 0-3? Your math skills equal your spelling skills.
6-2 since going 0-3.
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Colts soon to be 6-2 after the 0-3 start.
Patriots fixing to be in sole possession of the AFC-E.
Didn't think it was possible early in the season.
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Colts soon to be 6-2 after the 0-3 start.
Patriots fixing to be in sole possession of the AFC-E.
Didn't think it was possible early in the season.
Never doubt the Hoodie.
(https://i.giphy.com/media/x1kL7muptovI405upu/giphy.webp)
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Those Steve Belichick memes. :lol
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I’m thinking of starting a pool on who people think will end with the better winning percentage. The Seahawks or the Kraken.
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Me seeing the Patriots back in first place in the AFC East.
(https://assets.bonappetit.com/photos/5b3e510b2264d4686332377c/master/w_1600%2Cc_limit/no-office-gif.gif)
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Mike Tomlin’s “defense” gave up 536 yds and 41 points.
NE back in first place was inevitable. Of course, Mac Jones is going to have to compete against Josh Allen every year for the division, not nearly as easy as it used to be - but I have confidence in BB.
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Entertaining game betwixt GB and the Vikings. Unless your a GB fan.
Oh and I guess Cam is not really back..... :yeahright
I didn't watch the whole game, just the highlights, but that Carolina game is pretty much everything I hate about Cam Newton (in my top three least favorite players in any sport). All about him, all about the "superman", and when the games on the line... FOLD.
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Good news: I had Austin Ekeler on my fantasy team, 4 touchdowns!
Bad news: my opponent had Jonathan Taylor, 5 touchdowns.
Stupid fantasy sports.
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Entertaining game betwixt GB and the Vikings. Unless your a GB fan.
Oh and I guess Cam is not really back..... :yeahright
I didn't watch the whole game, just the highlights, but that Carolina game is pretty much everything I hate about Cam Newton (in my top three least favorite players in any sport). All about him, all about the "superman", and when the games on the line... FOLD.
OK - I'm with you on this one. We went through a period where players come into the league as rookies and already see themselves as a superstar. Baker Mayfield, OBJ and certainly Cam are a few examples. Lately we've had classy players like Mahomes, Dak and Joe Burrow among others that seem to have more humbling personalities. I've always hated the superman stunt from Cam because like you said, he then seems to cave and what's worse is he sulks on the sideline.
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Entertaining game betwixt GB and the Vikings. Unless your a GB fan.
Oh and I guess Cam is not really back..... :yeahright
I didn't watch the whole game, just the highlights, but that Carolina game is pretty much everything I hate about Cam Newton (in my top three least favorite players in any sport). All about him, all about the "superman", and when the games on the line... FOLD.
OK - I'm with you on this one. We went through a period where players come into the league as rookies and already see themselves as a superstar. Baker Mayfield, OBJ and certainly Cam are a few examples. Lately we've had classy players like Mahomes, Dak and Joe Burrow among others that seem to have more humbling personalities. I've always hated the superman stunt from Cam because like you said, he then seems to cave and what's worse is he sulks on the sideline.
I don’t think Baker Mayfield belongs in that group. He seems to carry himself with a certain swagger, but I don’t perceive it as having an ego or seeing himself as a superstar.
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Entertaining game betwixt GB and the Vikings. Unless your a GB fan.
Oh and I guess Cam is not really back..... :yeahright
I didn't watch the whole game, just the highlights, but that Carolina game is pretty much everything I hate about Cam Newton (in my top three least favorite players in any sport). All about him, all about the "superman", and when the games on the line... FOLD.
OK - I'm with you on this one. We went through a period where players come into the league as rookies and already see themselves as a superstar. Baker Mayfield, OBJ and certainly Cam are a few examples. Lately we've had classy players like Mahomes, Dak and Joe Burrow among others that seem to have more humbling personalities. I've always hated the superman stunt from Cam because like you said, he then seems to cave and what's worse is he sulks on the sideline.
I don’t think Baker Mayfield belongs in that group. He seems to carry himself with a certain swagger, but I don’t perceive it as having an ego or seeing himself as a superstar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wQJEYlgIVM
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Entertaining game betwixt GB and the Vikings. Unless your a GB fan.
Oh and I guess Cam is not really back..... :yeahright
I didn't watch the whole game, just the highlights, but that Carolina game is pretty much everything I hate about Cam Newton (in my top three least favorite players in any sport). All about him, all about the "superman", and when the games on the line... FOLD.
OK - I'm with you on this one. We went through a period where players come into the league as rookies and already see themselves as a superstar. Baker Mayfield, OBJ and certainly Cam are a few examples. Lately we've had classy players like Mahomes, Dak and Joe Burrow among others that seem to have more humbling personalities. I've always hated the superman stunt from Cam because like you said, he then seems to cave and what's worse is he sulks on the sideline.
I don’t think Baker Mayfield belongs in that group. He seems to carry himself with a certain swagger, but I don’t perceive it as having an ego or seeing himself as a superstar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wQJEYlgIVM
Dude, that was college. He’s matured since then. Haven’t seen anything from him like that since Kevin Stefanski took over the Browns.
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On the subject of officiating continuing to deteriorate, the Cowboys Chiefs thing was pretty terrible yesterday. The two missed PI calls I can live with, even if they were pretty obvious. Like I say, these things happen and eventually they even out. The replay official calling a penalty that wasn't called on the field, something he's expressly prohibited from doing, was bullshit, though. Presumably that had to come from NY, which exists to make sure that people who understand the rules get things straight. That totally didn't happen. Hearing Mike Piera try to explain that without calling his former associates a bunch of inept morons was interesting.
In the end it'll be forgotten. It was Dallas's ineptitude that beat them, rather than the refs. That was still plenty fucked up, though.
Interestingly, home field crowds had a big impact on a couple of games yesterday. Knuckleheads at Soldier Field goaded fellow knucklehead Matt Nagy into second guessing his better judgement and it killed them. As soon as he blew that Chicago was on the wrong side of the field position battle for the rest of the game, and that was that. And the Chiefs' fans at Arrowhead seemed to effect a ruling on the field. They went from a 4th and long to replay 3rd down.
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Dude, that was college. He’s matured since then. Haven’t seen anything from him like that since Kevin Stefanski took over the Browns.
Eh, Mayfield still strikes me as a meathead. Some guys get it, some guys do not. He just strikes me as a guy who does not get it. I get that the Browns are desperate for stability at the QB position after a long run of clown QBs, but they will be dead in the water for years if they give that guy big money.
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First time watching the Manning cast live, I've caught bits here and there and clips later. Interesting to see the non-football guests talk football. I did like C.Rice's football commentary, even she could tell what the Giants Defense needed to do
to get to Brady. Kevin Hart was ok, Parcells was the best.
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First time watching the Manning cast live, I've caught bits here and there and clips later. Interesting to see the non-football guests talk football. I did like C.Rice's football commentary, even she could tell what the Giants Defense needed to do
to get to Brady. Kevin Hart was ok, Parcells was the best.
Parcels was great but I thought the bros seemed to not know how to clap back at him. Maybe they were just too respectful or reverent but they seemed far less comfortable than they usually are with other guests.
I thought Hart was hilarious. Peyton himself seemed a bit off. He was drinking from something which is not something I've seen him do on previous nights, and he stammered several times (a tick that others have observed in him when he is under great stress). I wonder if something was going on.
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Didn't pick up that Peyton was off, just thought that because of the format it had gaps and quite a bit of silence between snaps. Julian Edelman was hilarious with his miming of both Brady and Gronkowski conversation.
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First time watching the Manning cast live, I've caught bits here and there and clips later. Interesting to see the non-football guests talk football. I did like C.Rice's football commentary, even she could tell what the Giants Defense needed to do
to get to Brady. Kevin Hart was ok, Parcells was the best.
Parcels was great but I thought the bros seemed to not know how to clap back at him. Maybe they were just too respectful or reverent but they seemed far less comfortable than they usually are with other guests.
I thought Hart was hilarious. Peyton himself seemed a bit off. He was drinking from something which is not something I've seen him do on previous nights, and he stammered several times (a tick that others have observed in him when he is under great stress). I wonder if something was going on.
I noticed that too (the stammer and the drinking). I don't know. I thought for a minute it might be just sort of intimidation with Parcells, but I don't think that's right; they've never been intimidated before with knowledgeable guests, so not sure why Parcells would be different. Made me sad; Bill looks old (I know, I know, he is). He's one of my Mt. Rushmore of NFL coaches. LOVE that guy.
I didn't see all of Parcells or Hart, I did see most of Condi Rice. I love that format, and that's my go-to for MNF from now on.
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Naturally people seem to be completely ignoring this . . . what if the roles had been reversed?
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/11/23/tom-brady-catches-little-flak-for-his-spikes-out-slide/
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Naturally people seem to be completely ignoring this . . . what if the roles had been reversed?
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/11/23/tom-brady-catches-little-flak-for-his-spikes-out-slide/
The roles are reversed all the time. You can still clobber a QB. Brady should get a fine and move on. It's football.
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Jason Garrett fired by the Giants.
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Naturally people seem to be completely ignoring this . . . what if the roles had been reversed?
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/11/23/tom-brady-catches-little-flak-for-his-spikes-out-slide/
The roles are reversed all the time. You can still clobber a QB. Brady should get a fine and move on. It's football.
I think what you meant to say was that Brady should get a fine and then spend the next two years appealing it in federal court.
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Jason Garrett fired by the Giants.
Matt Nagy looks like he's gone after Thanksgiving if rumors are to be believed.
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Naturally people seem to be completely ignoring this . . . what if the roles had been reversed?
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/11/23/tom-brady-catches-little-flak-for-his-spikes-out-slide/
The roles are reversed all the time. You can still clobber a QB. Brady should get a fine and move on. It's football.
I think what you meant to say was that Brady should get a fine and then spend the next two years appealing it in federal court.
:lol
What was the article again they were really protecting? 46?
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Don't want to get spiked by Brady, then get out of his way. Duh.
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Don't want to get spiked by Brady, then get out of his way. Duh.
Since he runs like a sloth. :lol
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Let's not forget the classic Bill Burr line about him diving after a guy after an INT. "He looked like somebody threw a dead body out of a moving car." :rollin :rollin :rollin
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:lol
Seriously. Lol
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Let's not forget the classic Bill Burr line about him diving after a guy after an INT. "He looked like somebody threw a dead body out of a moving car." :rollin :rollin :rollin
lmao I need to find a clip of that.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfr6A5BQfY0
Around the 1:40 mark
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haha yeah I've seen that, his appearance on Conan are always gold.
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Naturally people seem to be completely ignoring this . . . what if the roles had been reversed?
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/11/23/tom-brady-catches-little-flak-for-his-spikes-out-slide/
At what point do you look in the mirror and realize it's not the entire world that is wrong, but maybe you? :) :) :) : ) :) :)
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When was the last time an NFL player wore anything that could, with a straight face, be called "spikes"?
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I didn't see any of the game, but the Bears coach is supposedly about to get fired and the Lions still can't beat them? :lol :lol :lol :lol
Always good to see the Cowboys lose, although the Raiders winning is always gross, so that was a lose-lose situation. Only saw the 4th Q and OT of that one.
Not watching tonight's game, but it sounds like a bad game.
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I didn't see any of the game, but the Bears coach is supposedly about to get fired and the Lions still can't beat them? :lol :lol :lol :lol
You can never tell how that one's going to work out. I kind of wanted to pick DET, but couldn't shake the idea that maybe the Bears overperform to stick up for their beleaguered coach. Or, maybe they pull a 2010 Cowboys and go out and suck harder than usual. How a team will react in that situation is hard to predict.
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I didn't see any of the game, but the Bears coach is supposedly about to get fired and the Lions still can't beat them? :lol :lol :lol :lol
You can never tell how that one's going to work out. I kind of wanted to pick DET, but couldn't shake the idea that maybe the Bears overperform to stick up for their beleaguered coach. Or, maybe they pull a 2010 Cowboys and go out and suck harder than usual. How a team will react in that situation is hard to predict.
I don't know. I thought they sucked pretty hard today and the Lions were probably the only team they were going to beat today.
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I've seen people post here where the refs helped the Cowboys to a win and if you really believe that then you should admit that the officiating of that game yesterday was over the top. They called an IP on a center head nod?
That's effed up man! :tdwn
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I didn't see any of the game, but the Bears coach is supposedly about to get fired and the Lions still can't beat them? :lol :lol :lol :lol
You can never tell how that one's going to work out. I kind of wanted to pick DET, but couldn't shake the idea that maybe the Bears overperform to stick up for their beleaguered coach. Or, maybe they pull a 2010 Cowboys and go out and suck harder than usual. How a team will react in that situation is hard to predict.
I don't know. I thought they sucked pretty hard today and the Lions were probably the only team they were going to beat today.
That is pretty much what came out of the mouth of my 16-year old nephew, who is a big Bears fan now (since my ex-sister in law grew up in Chicago). He was like, they still looked terrible, but they were playing the Lions. :lol :lol
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I've seen people post here where the refs helped the Cowboys to a win and if you really believe that then you should admit that the officiating of that game yesterday was over the top. They called an IP on a center head nod?
That's effed up man! :tdwn
The Refs took the fun out of that game. They were over the top flag happy against both teams. Dallas got shafted the worst though on the bogus calls. :tdwn 😤
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The NFL must have started miking up their goal posts. Tennessee has doinked two FGs, and they sounded like car crashes. The first one really startled me. :lol
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The NFL must have started miking up their goal posts. Tennessee has doinked two FGs, and they sounded like car crashes. The first one really startled me. :lol
Good mikes in today's game, especially hearing Belichick calling 12 guys in the huddle after the TO.
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:lol
I love that sound from the opposing teams.
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That miss to Henry and the Van Noy drop could prove deadly today.
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Yup. Not capitalizing on the turnover too.
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So I'm convinced. This is a very good Patriots team.
Also, for at least a few hours NE will lead the AFC. If the Ravens win tonight tiebreakers will come into play.
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Got to split with Buffalo.
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So I'm convinced. This is a very good Patriots team.
These four games against Ten, Buffx2, & Indy are the four toughest.
So far, so good.
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Got to split with Buffalo.
If you're a Bills fan right now, a split is best case scenario. The Patriots are simply a much better and consistent team at this moment.
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I've seen weirder things happen Kev but I get it.
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Meanwhile, Panthers fans are getting a quick reminder of why the franchise bailed on Cam Newton two years ago. He sucks something awful now.
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Bucs got a tough road game win. Winfield's interception is one of the best catches, had to be super tough to make that.
I'm hoping they keep their stride. Patriots are in full SB speed ahead by the looks of it and if these two team do meet, I think I'd pick the Pats to take it.
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Wow! The Browns' secondary is fucking brutal.
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So I'm convinced. This is a very good Patriots team.
These four games against Ten, Buffx2, & Indy are the four toughest.
So far, so good.
I think they crush Indy. Indy is a good team, but the Pats run defense can slow down Taylor, and Wentz is prone to making dumb turnovers. The one thing you CANNOT do against this Patriot team is make dumb turnovers.
And kudos to Belichick. Everyone ELSE was worried about QB, and he quietly put together a 'rest of the team' that is as good as any in the league. Mac is almost icing on the cake at this point.
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Wow! The Browns' secondary is fucking brutal.
And they still lost. Teams were 0-52 when throwing four or more interceptions until last night. Browns offense is a disaster right now. None of the WR's can stretch the field, so the Ravens just put 8 in the box all night and dared Mayfield to beat them. Considering Mayfield is basically the black knight from Holy Grail at this point, that was a solid dare. Browns D was able to contain Lamar Jackson and confuse him most of the night.
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8 people on the Cowboys have the COVIDS including Mike McCarthy. :facepalm:
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Just saw a stat that JC Jackson has only been targeted 12 times in the last four games. He has 4 INTs and has only allowed 2 completions in those targets. Those are some Revis level stats. The expectation is that he leaves to make a mint somewhere after this year, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Bill tag him.
And LOL Cowboys. :lol
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They were just taking about that JC stat on sports talk radio in Boston El Barto.
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And LOL Cowboys. :lol
C'mon man. People contracting Covid is hardly a laughing matter. The same goes for injuries. I thought you knew better than that. Let's try a little better sportsmanship. Whaddaya think? :justjen
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Man this Seattle Vs Washington game ending was bonkers. What a cruel fate for Seattle to recover the onside kick at the end only to be called back for an illegal formation. Such a ridiculous game that started really boring and looked like Washington was back to their old self.
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Helluva way to end a game. Despite needing a WTF win, I was kind of rooting for Seattle in the final two and a half.
If my punter can't kick a 19 yd field goal he's not going to be my punter. Whether he comes from a soccer or Aussie background he's probably kicked a few balls off the ground, and he's damn sure kicking a whole bunch in practice. I totally understand Ron Rivera going for it on the first 4th down, but once they got inside the three they needed to take the FG.
Also, we've seen a whole lot of blown saves coming from PI calls during two minute drills this year. Every time we get to a 3rd and twelve with 46 seconds left I yell "don't interfere, knuckleheads," and inevitably flags fly from all directions on a pass that wasn't even close to the receiver. There are things you really have to drill into your players, and not making stupid penalties when you've got the game sewn up is certainly one of them. Killed Dallas the other night. Seems to be happening more frequently this season.
Lastly, how do you line up illegally on an onside kick? Do you just forget there's a rule book when you practice these things? It's a very specific play. It's not like there are twelve of them each with their own formations. You can only line up one way, and they tell you that quite plainly. SMDH
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I saw about 15 minutes combined of the three, but it sounds like between Bills/Saints, Browns/Ravens and Hawks/WFT, the NFL had a trifecta of horse shit night games this past week.
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Helluva way to end a game. Despite needing a WTF win, I was kind of rooting for Seattle in the final two and a half.
If my punter can't kick a 19 yd field goal he's not going to be my punter. Whether he comes from a soccer or Aussie background he's probably kicked a few balls off the ground, and he's damn sure kicking a whole bunch in practice. I totally understand Ron Rivera going for it on the first 4th down, but once they got inside the three they needed to take the FG.
Also, we've seen a whole lot of blown saves coming from PI calls during two minute drills this year. Every time we get to a 3rd and twelve with 46 seconds left I yell "don't interfere, knuckleheads," and inevitably flags fly from all directions on a pass that wasn't even close to the receiver. There are things you really have to drill into your players, and not making stupid penalties when you've got the game sewn up is certainly one of them. Killed Dallas the other night. Seems to be happening more frequently this season.
It's doubly baffling, because it's rewarding failure. Meaning, your QB doesn't have the arm strength to heave it down field, so you send your receivers deep, under throw the pass and almost by default the DB gets caught between the ball and the WR and gets flagged. It's like a video game where you figure out the cheat. I get the NFL wants a bunch of 48-44 shootouts with all kinds of mugging and prancing in front of the cameras after, but this is ruining the product when the scoring doesn't actually involve any real play.
I'm with you on the kicking; the soccer/Aussie thing is bullshit, since in both sports, I gaurantee you they have dead kicked (meaning, the ball was on the ground) that distance. They kick goal kicks, corner kicks and penalty kicks twice that far on the regular in soccer.
Lastly, how do you line up illegally on an onside kick? Do you just forget there's a rule book when you practice these things? It's a very specific play. It's not like there are twelve of them each with their own formations. You can only line up one way, and they tell you that quite plainly. SMDH
Oh, and sidebar, 3-9 now when I ignore the analytics. I wasn't as shocked by WTF, Ron Rivera is the real deal, but I was sort of surprised by Seattle. They didn't look like a team coached by Pete Carroll and captained by Russell Wilson. Where did the discipline and fire go?
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If my punter can't kick a 19 yd field goal he's not going to be my punter. Whether he comes from a soccer or Aussie background he's probably kicked a few balls off the ground, and he's damn sure kicking a whole bunch in practice. I totally understand Ron Rivera going for it on the first 4th down, but once they got inside the three they needed to take the FG.
I was surprised the announcers didn't mention it, but I noticed this right away when the Redskins punted next (BTW, did anyone else notice that Mike Tirico (I think?) referred to them as such on at least one occasion?). The punter kicks with his left foot. I assume Washington's normal kicker is right-footed, so having a left-footed kicker try a field goal involves not only a guy who isn't familiar with the job, but also requires that the holder do his job backwards. I've never held for a field goal kicker, but I have to believe that doing it backwards isn't something that's easy to do without practice. That adds another element of risk to the situation.
Lastly, how do you line up illegally on an onside kick? Do you just forget there's a rule book when you practice these things? It's a very specific play. It's not like there are twelve of them each with their own formations. You can only line up one way, and they tell you that quite plainly. SMDH
Two things here: First, the rules governing onside kicks are unnecessarily complicated and silly. Second, is there a rule that says the receiving team has to wait until the ball has gone 10 yards to field it? The rule has always been that the KICKING team can't recover it until it has gone 10 yards (unless it is first touched by the receiving team). However, it looked like the Washington players intentionally avoided a ball they easily could have fielded, and I couldn't figure out why.
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Unless the rule has changed (who knows), the receiving team CAN recover within ten yards.
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It threw me for a loop that Tirico was on Sunday Night with NBC and not on ESPN on Monday. I think it was Griese maybe?
I too noticed the Washington player who avoided the ball, maybe he wasn't supposed to be the person to grab the ball in the play design?
Regarding the formation, what they said during the commentary is that it's setup for 'safety' of the players plus it takes away the advantage from the kicking team as the player who knows the play is already a yard closer to where the ball is supposed to be going.
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Unless the rule has changed (who knows), the receiving team CAN recover within ten yards.
That's what I thought.* However, like I said, a couple Washington players seemed to be intentionally avoiding it, and I saw another onside kick within the last couple weeks where guys on the receiving team did the same.
* - I have a vague memory of a Thanksgiving (maybe?) game from many years ago where a guy on the receiving team got a running start and fielded the kick before it went 10 yards and just sped right past the kicking team to score a TD and ice the game.
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If my punter can't kick a 19 yd field goal he's not going to be my punter. Whether he comes from a soccer or Aussie background he's probably kicked a few balls off the ground, and he's damn sure kicking a whole bunch in practice. I totally understand Ron Rivera going for it on the first 4th down, but once they got inside the three they needed to take the FG.
I was surprised the announcers didn't mention it, but I noticed this right away when the Redskins punted next (BTW, did anyone else notice that Mike Tirico (I think?) referred to them as such on at least one occasion?). The punter kicks with his left foot. I assume Washington's normal kicker is right-footed, so having a left-footed kicker try a field goal involves not only a guy who isn't familiar with the job, but also requires that the holder do his job backwards. I've never held for a field goal kicker, but I have to believe that doing it backwards isn't something that's easy to do without practice. That adds another element of risk to the situation.
Now that's just an excellent point. :tup
You're right; it does change the calculus considerably. That said, all those years when the Patriots were using left footed punters (until now a longtime Belichick trait) I'm willing to bet they had an contingency plan for that. Seriously, you don't go into a game completely incapable of hitting a critical chipshot if your PK goes down. Either find a receiver who used to play soccer, or train your holder to hold from either direction. I've got a sore spot with coaches that don't prepare for unlikely but important situations.
And I've got $5 that says that subject came up in a Patriots meeting room Tuesday morning.
Two things here: First, the rules governing onside kicks are unnecessarily complicated and silly. Second, is there a rule that says the receiving team has to wait until the ball has gone 10 yards to field it? The rule has always been that the KICKING team can't recover it until it has gone 10 yards (unless it is first touched by the receiving team). However, it looked like the Washington players intentionally avoided a ball they easily could have fielded, and I couldn't figure out why.
That appears to have been covered, but something else I noticed on that kick was that a Seattle player appeared to touch the ball before 10 yards on the first attempt. I don't know if only recovery matters, or if contact is also prohibited.
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It's my understanding that even a touch is no-go.
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Cowboys win ugly but a win is a win. I can't believe at 32 years old they gave that guy a 40 million dollar contract. :tdwn
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Cowboys win ugly but a win is a win. I can't believe at 32 years old they gave that guy a 40 million dollar contract. :tdwn
At first I assumed you were talking about Zeek, but of course he's not 32 years old. Dude is absolutely not looking like 15m/yr player.
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Cowboys win ugly but a win is a win. I can't believe at 32 years old they gave that guy a 40 million dollar contract. :tdwn
At first I assumed you were talking about Zeek, but of course he's not 32 years old. Dude is absolutely not looking like 15m/yr player.
Agreed, Zeke doesn't look like a 15m/yr player and Taysom isn't a 10m/yr player.
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I'm not a fan of that style of QB play to begin with, but this sort of just shows that you can't really evaluate talent without seeing all the workouts, all the practices, etc. I've long said that if Taysom Hill was lighting it up in practice he'd be the starter, and he wasn't. This is who he is; I know he was hurt, but it was also a different game in the second half. I saw I think three of the INTs and two of them were HORRIBLE, and on him directly.
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My final standings predictions (not that anyone asked).
AFC
East
1: New England Patriots (11-6)
2: Buffalo Bills (10-7)
3: Miami Dolphins (8-9)
4: New York Jets (5-12)
North
1: Baltimore Ravens (12-5)
2: Cincinnati Bengals (10-7)
3: Cleveland Browns (8-9)
4: Pittsburgh Steelers (7-9-1)
South
1: Tennessee Titans (10-7)
2: Indianapolis Colts (9-8)
3: Jacksonville Jaguars (4-13)
4: Houston Texans (3-14)
West
1: Kansas City Chiefs (11-6)
2: Los Angeles Chargers (10-7)
3: Las Vegas Raiders (9-8)
4: Denver Broncos (9-8)
Playoffs
1: Ravens (12-5)
2: Chiefs (11-6)
3: Patriots (11-6)
4: Titans (10-7)
5: Bills (10-7)
6: Chargers (10-7)
7: Bengals (10-7)
NFC
East
1: Dallas Cowboys (10-7)
2: Washington Football Team (8-9)
3: New York Giants (8-9)
4: Philadelphia Eagles (7-10)
North
1: Green Bay Packers (12-5)
2: Minnesota Vikings (9-8)
3: Chicago Bears (7-10)
4: Detroit Lions (2-14-1)
South
1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers (12-5)
2: Atlanta Falcons (8-9)
3: New Orleans Saints (7-10)
4: Carolina Panthers (6-11)
West
1: Arizona Cardinals (13-4)
2: San Francisco 49ers (11-6)
3: Los Angeles Rams (10-7)
4: Seattle Seahawks (5-12)
1: Cardinals (13-4)
2: Packers (12-5)
3: Buccaneers (12-5)
4: Cowboys (10-7)
5: 49ers (11-6)
6: Rams (10-7)
7: Vikings (9-8)
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I'm not a fan of that style of QB play to begin with, but this sort of just shows that you can't really evaluate talent without seeing all the workouts, all the practices, etc. I've long said that if Taysom Hill was lighting it up in practice he'd be the starter, and he wasn't. This is who he is; I know he was hurt, but it was also a different game in the second half. I saw I think three of the INTs and two of them were HORRIBLE, and on him directly.
I know he hurt his finger in the game, which certainly affected his throwing, but he has still show us nothing to demonstrate that he can be every week starting QB, so basically Sean Payton gave a ton of money to a gadget player. Brilliant.
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Yes the Jets are terrible, but the officiating has not helped them at all today. The refs are ruining this sport.
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Who is the clown doing color for the Chargers/Bengals game that I've now heard twice say that Joe Burrow reminds him of Wayne Gretzky? WTF??
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Who is the clown doing color for the Chargers/Bengals game that I've now heard twice say that Joe Burrow reminds him of Wayne Gretzky? WTF??
Is Boomer calling that game? The commentary team for Jets/Eagles mentioned something about it.
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I think Ian Eagle is calling the game.
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Detroit finally has a close game go their way.
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Lost in the Lions dramatic win is the officials crapping the bed again, as the Lions should have been forced to attempt the PAT. The new rule is like college in that the PAT does not need to be attempted unless it can change the outcome of the game, and the Vikings could have theoretically taken the attempt back for 2 to tie the game. Odds are the Lions would have knelt on it and not actually attempted the kick or 2-point conversion, but they still should have been made to do it. NFL officiating at its best.
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Thanks Steelers.
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Thanks Steelers.
Obviously the Patriots are my least favorite team, but the Steelers are my second least favorite. Nice to see them working in tandem to make my life miserable. The Eagles and Dolphins are also up there among my most hated so overall not a good day of football for Count.
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Ravens get my hate because they always bring it against the Pats.
I find myself not hating the Bills. Their fans are the best. I've tailgates in 2018 and 2019 and their fans are fun, welcoming and just nuts. I love tailgating in Buffalo.
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Sooooooooo
This Chiefs/Broncos Game is looking ugly early. And it’s my understanding that this is the one that they flexed in in order to remove the Seahawks 49ers game? The one that ended on a dramatic final play? And was infinitely entertaining to watch?
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Sooooooooo
This Chiefs/Broncos Game is looking ugly early. And it’s my understanding that this is the one that they flexed in in order to remove the Seahawks 49ers game? The one that ended on a dramatic final play? And was infinitely entertaining to watch?
The Seahawks got away with a PI on the 3rd down play.
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Sooooooooo
This Chiefs/Broncos Game is looking ugly early. And it’s my understanding that this is the one that they flexed in in order to remove the Seahawks 49ers game? The one that ended on a dramatic final play? And was infinitely entertaining to watch?
The Seahawks got away with a PI on the 3rd down play.
But it was entertaining! :angel: :angel:
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You putting this post in the NHL thread was more entertaining. :lol
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You putting this post in the NHL thread was more entertaining. :lol
I knew it belonged in the league thread that had 3 letters and started with an N. :rollin
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Teddy Bridgewater can fucking throw the hell out of the ball, but he has zero touch and absolutely no timing with his receivers.
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Teddy Bridgewater can fucking throw the hell out of the ball, but he has zero touch and absolutely no timing with his receivers.
He can get out of the way on a return better than any QB in the league, though.
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Teddy Bridgewater can fucking throw the hell out of the ball, but he has zero touch and absolutely no timing with his receivers.
He can get out of the way on a return better than any QB in the league, though.
Oh yeah, he's got that down. :lol
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Right on cue, he throws a pick and gives a half-hearted shove at the guy running past him instead of going low and taking him down. He is a disgrace and so is this franchise for sticking by him.
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Really hoping for a Bill's victory tonight. Even as a Jets fan. The world has had enough of the Patriots, and they need to go home for awhile.
Speaking of the Jets, what a terrible second half. At least Wilson looked good in the first half when they weren't pressuring him. The pick was ugly. Still these are the kind of slightly-better-than-break-even games you want to see from the rookie star QB. More of this and less 5 pick games would be great. If we win 3 of the next 5 I guess I'll have to be happy with that.
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Really hoping for a Bill's victory tonight. Even as a Jets fan. The world has had enough of the Patriots, and they need to go home for awhile.
Speaking of the Jets, what a terrible second half. At least Wilson looked good in the first half when they weren't pressuring him. The pick was ugly. Still these are the kind of slightly-better-than-break-even games you want to see from the rookie star QB. More of this and less 5 pick games would be great. If we win 3 of the next 5 I guess I'll have to be happy with that.
Whether they win or lose tonight I don't think they're going anywhere, except maybe back to the top of the AFC. I've figured all along they'll split their games with Buffalo, and I haven't changed my opinion. No idea if they win tonight or not, but in the grand scheme of things I don't think it matters.
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Really hoping for a Bill's victory tonight. Even as a Jets fan. The world has had enough of the Patriots, and they need to go home for awhile.
Speaking of the Jets, what a terrible second half. At least Wilson looked good in the first half when they weren't pressuring him. The pick was ugly. Still these are the kind of slightly-better-than-break-even games you want to see from the rookie star QB. More of this and less 5 pick games would be great. If we win 3 of the next 5 I guess I'll have to be happy with that.
Whether they win or lose tonight I don't think they're going anywhere, except maybe back to the top of the AFC. I've figured all along they'll split their games with Buffalo, and I haven't changed my opinion. No idea if they win tonight or not, but in the grand scheme of things I don't think it matters.
Well, if they split with Buffalo and both win out otherwise, Buffalo wins the division with the better divisional record. The Pats' loss to Miami could come back to haunt them.
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Wind gusts up to 60MPH tonight. Oughta be fun.
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That stadium is dug in the ground but still has major wind gusts in the stadium.
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Anybody remember when Bill chose an endzone over the ball in OT? Looking like it might be one of those games.
Also, did Buff win the coin toss and defer? That could make a difference.
Nice to see NE break a long run for a change. Looks like those are what's going to determine the outcome.
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If the D is going to play that close to the line, you really only have to hit one hole and you're gone.
Did Bill take the wind for the first quarter?? That way he has it for the 4th?
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N'keal Harry WTF??
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Interesting to see how much of the game plan changes due to the weather with NE not throwing a single pass attempt in the 1st Quarter.
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Interesting to see how much of the game plan changes due to the weather with NE not throwing a single pass attempt in the 1st Quarter.
Then they surprise us in the last minute. Lol
N'keal Harry WTF??
I'm done with him. So disappointing.
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Despite the gaffe, Patriots will still win this comfortably. Book it.
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Interesting to see how much of the game plan changes due to the weather with NE not throwing a single pass attempt in the 1st Quarter.
Then they surprise us in the last minute. Lol
Yup and McDaniels looked so angry with Mac Jones that he changed it to a pass play lol.
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Did Bill take the wind for the first quarter?? That way he has it for the 4th?
I texted a friend and he said NE won the toss. So yeah, they should get the wind in the 4th.
Despite the gaffe, Patriots will still win this comfortably. Book it.
Abnormal will almost always work in NE's favor.
edit: Yeah, so my friend does a lot of drugs. :lol Buff won the toss and deferred. It'll be McDermott 's choice to get the ball or the wind. Hopefully it won't matter.
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Buffalo won the coin toss and deferred to the Pats. I'll assume they'll take the wind at their back for the 4th quarter.
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Mac Jones is on pace to attempt two passes in this game.
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Why not a Hail Mary (with the wind) at the end of the half. Surely it would've taken 7 seconds off the clock.
And no passes in the 2nd quarter for the Pats?
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Why not a Hail Mary (with the wind) at the end of the half. Surely it would've taken 7 seconds off the clock.
And no passes in the 2nd quarter for the Pats?
I'd have gone one further. Why not fake the punt? That was my thought.
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I was having this conversation with a friend via text about the end of the 1st half as well.
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The Pats are going to need a couple of first downs on the next drive. Not sure how long 11-10 is going to last against the Bills.
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So crazy that the Bills are just unable to stop the running game at all.
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Ugh. Needed a TD there. This game ain't over.
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Ugh. Needed a TD there. This game ain't over.
It's definitely not over, but NE has a decided advantage here.
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Bills are throwing their way back into this game. I think the Pats' plan is backfiring.
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It's over, Bills couldn't get it done.
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Phew
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Despite the gaffe, Patriots will still win this comfortably. Book it.
:corn :corn
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Despite the gaffe, Patriots will still win this comfortably. Book it.
:corn :corn
Not exactly comfortably.
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Despite the gaffe, Patriots will still win this comfortably. Book it.
:corn :corn
Yeah, that wasn't very comfortable. :lol
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I had no rooting interest and I never thought the Bills were gonna score on either of the last two possessions. Red Zone D is where the Hoodie makes a living.
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I haven't seen a game like this for 3 decades.
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Personally, I enjoyed the hell out of it. That was old school football, where every big play was significant. In most games now, you can fall behind 14-0 in the first five minutes and tied it up by the end of the 1st on a regular basis. Not tonight. It was a hard fought game in bad weather and it was awesome.
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It's over, Bills couldn't get it done.
Pain. Always pain. Thankfully the Rangers are doing well. It makes it easier to check out of football for the season, which I already did after the Jets got completely run over by the Patriots in week 7.
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On the Manning brothers commentary, Joe Buck was hilarious. I kinda wished the network would allow that chill Joe Buck to commentate during games.
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On the Manning brothers commentary, Joe Buck was hilarious. I kinda wished the network would allow that chill Joe Buck to commentate during games.
He really was good. I especially liked when Peyton asked him if he ever wishes he could have a guest to talk to during games that get out of hand, and he responded that yes, and the last time he can remember thinking about that was during Peyton's SB loss to the Seahawks.
lol
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The fact that NE is the 1st seed and has the best point differential in the NFL is probably kryptonite to some people's belief systems but it is totally expected. BB really is that good. Would have been a similar situation last year if 7 of his defensive starters hadn't opted out.
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On the Manning brothers commentary, Joe Buck was hilarious. I kinda wished the network would allow that chill Joe Buck to commentate during games.
He really was good. I especially liked when Peyton asked him if he ever wishes he could have a guest to talk to during games that get out of hand, and he responded that yes, and the last time he can remember thinking about that was during Peyton's SB loss to the Seahawks.
lol
I only got to see bits and pieces of the game - I was at a work dinner - but what I saw was good old fashioned hard nosed football, and in that arena, Belichick is going to win more often than not. That was my kind of game, for sure. And I get he's a rookie, but I love Mac Jones; whatever it takes to win. This reminds me a LOT of the early 2000s, before Tom Brady was "Tom BradyTM" and the Pats were winning with well-executed, hard-nosed football.
I'm really bummed I missed the Manning broadcast; that's my go-to now and I'm a big Joe Buck fan, so that would have been great.
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Mac Jones: 2-3, 19 yards.
A stat line only Bill Belichick could love lol
When I saw the weather conditions, I knew NE would win that game.
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On the Manning brothers commentary, Joe Buck was hilarious. I kinda wished the network would allow that chill Joe Buck to commentate during games.
He really was good. I especially liked when Peyton asked him if he ever wishes he could have a guest to talk to during games that get out of hand, and he responded that yes, and the last time he can remember thinking about that was during Peyton's SB loss to the Seahawks.
lol
Haha that was the highlight for sure, there were many other zingers but that was the one that brought the house down.
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This is why I love Bill Belichick. They had the entire playbook at their disposal. Remember that they didn't realize it would be a run only affair until yesterday, or perhaps Sunday night. In the fourth quarter they could have thrown the ball, and it was an option with the favorable winds, but Bill had complete faith in his D. From his point of view 14 points was plenty enough to win the game, and he was right. He read the game perfectly. At the same time, in three weeks they'll play Buffalo again, and the Bills will have zero experience with NE's balanced offense. They've seen all of three passing plays this year. The Buffalo team they play will be familiar to them, yet the Bills will be seeing Mac Jones for the first time.
And yeah, I love oddball games. I like seeing emergency quarterbacks, or punters forced to kick field goals. I like games with severe weather. I love the abnormal, and NE is always going to come out ahead when things turn strange simply because they tend to be better trained for all eventualities. Good game last night.
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I agree with that. Only BB could pull something like last night off.
And it almost didn't work - when the opposing team drop two balls in the endzone, that's on the player, not the coach.
But to some extent you can chalk it up to the entire New England program. The Bills choked. They don't choke in NE. The expect to compete in big games at the highest levels as part of the routine and they expect the success. The Bills are clearly not there, as has become more and more clear while the season progresses.
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This is why I love Bill Belichick. They had the entire playbook at their disposal. Remember that they didn't realize it would be a run only affair until yesterday, or perhaps Sunday night. In the fourth quarter they could have thrown the ball, and it was an option with the favorable winds, but Bill had complete faith in his D. From his point of view 14 points was plenty enough to win the game, and he was right. He read the game perfectly. At the same time, in three weeks they'll play Buffalo again, and the Bills will have zero experience with NE's balanced offense. They've seen all of three passing plays this year. The Buffalo team they play will be familiar to them, yet the Bills will be seeing Mac Jones for the first time.
I already thought Belichick a genius; I didn't even THINK of that angle. But you're 100% right.
And yeah, I love oddball games. I like seeing emergency quarterbacks, or punters forced to kick field goals. I like games with severe weather. I love the abnormal, and NE is always going to come out ahead when things turn strange simply because they tend to be better trained for all eventualities. Good game last night.
Agreed.
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I can't give all the credit to BB when the Bills just didn't play situational football when they needed to inside the 10 YL twice. Do it once and win the game. It's that simple.
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I can't give all the credit to BB when the Bills just didn't play situational football when they needed to inside the 10 YL twice. Do it once and win the game. It's that simple.
I would disagree. The Bills are #2 on scoring. Bill's gameplan with the weather had a big affect on the game.
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I can't give all the credit to BB when the Bills just didn't play situational football when they needed to inside the 10 YL twice. Do it once and win the game. It's that simple.
If the Bills fail to play situational football (and I would suggest that they did alright in that regard), and NE plays absolutely perfect situational football, who else could you give the credit to? Seems to me the textbook definition of good coaching.
Something else to consider is that Buff didn't just fall apart in the redzone. They were outplayed, plain and simple. A critical sack put them in a third and long. An excellent defense of a very well thrown ball put them in a 4th and long. The biggest all out blitz NE has run all season1 ended the drive (and therefore the game). Under the circumstances Buff didn't play a terrible game. They just weren't good enough.
1That blitz was something NE just never does. If you've gameplanned for the way NE plays D, that must have been shocking.
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Something else to consider is how demoralizing that game must have been to Buffalo. I have to imagine that the worst thing you can have happen is to know precisely what the other team is going to do on every play and not be able to prevent it. Buffalo had a top level run D going into that game (now 12th), and if you'd told them that NE would never do anything but run the ball they'd have probably been pretty happy to hear it. That has to be absolutely soul crushing. It's like Larry Bird drawing out the play for you on the palm of his hand, executing that play exactly as he described, and then shaking his head at you for not being good enough to stop it. :lol
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It's like Larry Bird drawing out the play for you on the palm of his hand, executing that play exactly as he described, and then shaking his head at you for not being good enough to stop it. :lol
He used to do things like that all the time. Yeah, pretty demoralizing, from the stories I've heard from players to which he did that :lol
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Something else to consider is how demoralizing that game must have been to Buffalo. I have to imagine that the worst thing you can have happen is to know precisely what the other team is going to do on every play and not be able to prevent it. Buffalo had a top level run D going into that game (now 12th), and if you'd told them that NE would never do anything but run the ball they'd have probably been pretty happy to hear it. That has to be absolutely soul crushing. It's like Larry Bird drawing out the play for you on the palm of his hand, executing that play exactly as he described, and then shaking his head at you for not being good enough to stop it. :lol
Did you see the press conferences after the game? Two of their DBs (Jordan Poyer and Micah Hyde) looked absolutely destroyed and left in a huff based on one of the questions (something about not stopping the run even though they knew it was coming, I think. I didn't hear it).
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Something else to consider is how demoralizing that game must have been to Buffalo. I have to imagine that the worst thing you can have happen is to know precisely what the other team is going to do on every play and not be able to prevent it. Buffalo had a top level run D going into that game (now 12th), and if you'd told them that NE would never do anything but run the ball they'd have probably been pretty happy to hear it. That has to be absolutely soul crushing. It's like Larry Bird drawing out the play for you on the palm of his hand, executing that play exactly as he described, and then shaking his head at you for not being good enough to stop it. :lol
Did you see the press conferences after the game? Two of their DBs (Jordan Poyer and Micah Hyde) looked absolutely destroyed and left in a huff based on one of the questions (something about not stopping the run even though they knew it was coming, I think. I didn't hear it).
The reporter asked if they were embarrassed that they couldn't stop the run. :lol
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Lots of Patriots chest beating when they were a play away from losing. They won, so there's that, but would this have been a moral victory of Allen converted on the third down scramble, or if there was a PI called on that play?
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I think it laughing at how the Bills reacted after the game than pumping our chest. Still got some big games coming up.
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That wasn't directed at you. Just the media blowing up how great of a win it was.
It was a literal coin flip.
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I can't give all the credit to BB when the Bills just didn't play situational football when they needed to inside the 10 YL twice. Do it once and win the game. It's that simple.
I would disagree. The Bills are #2 on scoring. Bill's gameplan with the weather had a big affect on the game.
Opinions vary. The result could've gone either way with the low scores. So yeah, it was a good gameplan but they dodged a bullet when the Bills shot themselves in the foot more than once deep in the redzone.
I can't give all the credit to BB when the Bills just didn't play situational football when they needed to inside the 10 YL twice. Do it once and win the game. It's that simple.
If the Bills fail to play situational football (and I would suggest that they did alright in that regard), and NE plays absolutely perfect situational football, who else could you give the credit to? Seems to me the textbook definition of good coaching.
Something else to consider is that Buff didn't just fall apart in the redzone. They were outplayed, plain and simple. A critical sack put them in a third and long. An excellent defense of a very well thrown ball put them in a 4th and long. The biggest all out blitz NE has run all season1 ended the drive (and therefore the game). Under the circumstances Buff didn't play a terrible game. They just weren't good enough.
1That blitz was something NE just never does. If you've gameplanned for the way NE plays D, that must have been shocking.
I'm not arguing BB's game plan. Everybody knows by now that he always has a good one for the situation, but let's not forget that Buffalo had 2 opportunities to put the game away and they backed themselves up with penalties both times. I wouldn't credit that to BB's gameplan. That's just lack of concentration and execution by Buffalo. Had NE lost, it was still a hell of a gameplan though.
Lots of Patriots chest beating when they were a play away from losing. They won, so there's that, but would this have been a moral victory of Allen converted on the third down scramble, or if there was a PI called on that play?
Yeah, that's a good point. NE got a few no calls in that game that probably should've been called.
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That wasn't directed at you. Just the media blowing up how great of a win it was.
It was a literal coin flip.
Not even close. A coin flip is determined by random chance. Any of the plays you're describing are determined, for the most part, by the relative skill of the players involved. The alternative scenarios you're describing didn't occur because one team executed and the other team did not. While it's a matter of scale, the truth is that every game is determined by that metric. You don't get to win every game by 20 points, and sometimes the nail-biters are still good games won by the better team. And in the end, that's what this came down to. Regardless of how close you think it was, did you come away from it thinking the Bills were the better team?
And speaking of coin tosses, that's still unresolved. As I understand it, Buffalo won the coin toss and deferred. Didn't NE get both the ball and the wind for both halves, though? I could have sworn that they started each half with the ball, and I know that they had the wind to end each half. How do you win the coin toss and get screwed at every level?
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I can't give all the credit to BB when the Bills just didn't play situational football when they needed to inside the 10 YL twice. Do it once and win the game. It's that simple.
If the Bills fail to play situational football (and I would suggest that they did alright in that regard), and NE plays absolutely perfect situational football, who else could you give the credit to? Seems to me the textbook definition of good coaching.
Something else to consider is that Buff didn't just fall apart in the redzone. They were outplayed, plain and simple. A critical sack put them in a third and long. An excellent defense of a very well thrown ball put them in a 4th and long. The biggest all out blitz NE has run all season1 ended the drive (and therefore the game). Under the circumstances Buff didn't play a terrible game. They just weren't good enough.
1That blitz was something NE just never does. If you've gameplanned for the way NE plays D, that must have been shocking.
I'm not arguing BB's game plan. Everybody knows by now that he always has a good one for the situation, but let's not forget that Buffalo had 2 opportunities to put the game away and they backed themselves up with penalties both times. I wouldn't credit that to BB's gameplan. That's just lack of concentration and execution by Buffalo. Had NE lost, it was still a hell of a gameplan though.
And I'd argue that the penalties weren't the end of it for Buffalo. They had every opportunity to win that game on the final drive, and NE simply beat them. Beat them soundly.
Lots of Patriots chest beating when they were a play away from losing. They won, so there's that, but would this have been a moral victory of Allen converted on the third down scramble, or if there was a PI called on that play?
Yeah, that's a good point. NE got a few no calls in that game that probably should've been called.
Like that phantom roughness call for pushing Josh Allen out of bounds while he was still in the air? Those kind of calls?
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That wasn't directed at you. Just the media blowing up how great of a win it was.
It was a literal coin flip.
Not even close. A coin flip is determined by random chance. Any of the plays you're describing are determined, for the most part, by the relative skill of the players involved. The alternative scenarios you're describing didn't occur because one team executed and the other team did not. While it's a matter of scale, the truth is that every game is determined by that metric. You don't get to win every game by 20 points, and sometimes the nail-biters are still good games won by the better team. And in the end, that's what this came down to. Regardless of how close you think it was, did you come away from it thinking the Bills were the better team?
Did I think the Bills were better? No, but I think that game was way too close for some of today's rhetoric.
And speaking of coin tosses, that's still unresolved. As I understand it, Buffalo won the coin toss and deferred. Didn't NE get both the ball and the wind for both halves, though? I could have sworn that they started each half with the ball, and I know that they had the wind to end each half. How do you win the coin toss and get screwed at every level?
Buff won the toss (and deferred). The Pats, by losing the toss, get to pick direction. The Bills got the ball to start the 2nd half.
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I think it's more like Belichick made the Bills shoot themselves in the foot in the red zone. Those were not unforced errors. Playing great situational football has been a Belichick staple for as long as I can remember, and it happened again last night.
I could argue that the Bills were lucky to lose by only 4 considering their only TD came off a ST blunder and their other 3 came after the awful roughing call when the guy gave Allen a love tap.
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Like that phantom roughness call for pushing Josh Allen out of bounds while he was still in the air? Those kind of calls?
That was a bullshit call for sure.
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That wasn't directed at you. Just the media blowing up how great of a win it was.
It was a literal coin flip.
Not even close. A coin flip is determined by random chance. Any of the plays you're describing are determined, for the most part, by the relative skill of the players involved. The alternative scenarios you're describing didn't occur because one team executed and the other team did not. While it's a matter of scale, the truth is that every game is determined by that metric. You don't get to win every game by 20 points, and sometimes the nail-biters are still good games won by the better team. And in the end, that's what this came down to. Regardless of how close you think it was, did you come away from it thinking the Bills were the better team?
Did I think the Bills were better? No, but I think that game was way too close for some of today's rhetoric.
Twice, NE's D stepped up and shut a very talented offense down in the redzone to maintain the lead. I consider that worthy of a bit of chest pounding. Like I said, Buffalo didn't just collapse. They were out played. Would a 42-3 blowout have been better? Hell yeah. Doesn't change the fact that NE dominated that game, though, on both sides of the ball.
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So I guess you can dominate a game and still be one play away from losing. I think the Patriots are better.
But dominate is not a word that I would use as a viewer of that game. But that's me, I guess.
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On the Manning brothers commentary, Joe Buck was hilarious. I kinda wished the network would allow that chill Joe Buck to commentate during games.
He really was good. I especially liked when Peyton asked him if he ever wishes he could have a guest to talk to during games that get out of hand, and he responded that yes, and the last time he can remember thinking about that was during Peyton's SB loss to the Seahawks.
lol
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https://youtu.be/U5R1udK-tsk
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So I guess you can dominate a game and still be one play away from losing. I think the Patriots are better.
But dominate is not a word that I would use as a viewer of that game. But that's me, I guess.
Dominate literally means to overpower, and I think we saw that time and time again. When you're putting 9 men in the box and they're still ripping off 10 yard runs, you're being dominated. When you're unable to run the ball effectively, and your QB is getting hurried when he tries to pass, you're being dominated at the line of scrimmage.
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Call it what you want. I don't consider 4 points a dominating win.
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So I guess you can dominate a game and still be one play away from losing. I think the Patriots are better.
But dominate is not a word that I would use as a viewer of that game. But that's me, I guess.
Dominate literally means to overpower, and I think we saw that time and time again. When you're putting 9 men in the box and they're still ripping off 10 yard runs, you're being dominated. When you're unable to run the ball effectively, and your QB is getting hurried when he tries to pass, you're being dominated at the line of scrimmage.
I agree with this. It might not have translated to "points", but New England did what they wanted to do with the ball, and Buffalo could not do what they wanted to do on either side of the ball. I think this qualifies as "dominate", at least on the field.
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Going away, tying one hand behind your back and still the other team can't stop you know this takes some guts.
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Going away, tying one hand behind your back and still the other team can't stop you know this takes some guts.
That's a side bar to this, but it's one of the things I love love love about Belichick. He seemingly has no fear. He trusts his instincts and - and I try to use this in my real life - when he figures out a plan, by God, he sticks to it. There's no halfway with Belichick. If he lost that game, there's not a reporter worth his salt, nor a commentator worth hers, that would fail to point out he lost because he tied one arm behind his team's back proactively and was too stubborn to realize it. :)
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So I guess you can dominate a game and still be one play away from losing. I think the Patriots are better.
But dominate is not a word that I would use as a viewer of that game. But that's me, I guess.
Dominate literally means to overpower, and I think we saw that time and time again. When you're putting 9 men in the box and they're still ripping off 10 yard runs, you're being dominated. When you're unable to run the ball effectively, and your QB is getting hurried when he tries to pass, you're being dominated at the line of scrimmage.
I agree with this. It might not have translated to "points", but New England did what they wanted to do with the ball, and Buffalo could not do what they wanted to do on either side of the ball. I think this qualifies as "dominate", at least on the field.
Agreed. Buffalo looked like they were trying to fight their way uphill most of the game. And Belichick is smart enough to know that you can dominate that game and it won't necessarily be reflected with a dominant final score. The fact that the Bills whined and moped after the game was showed me that they know they got dominated both physically and mentally.
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Demaryius Thomas dead at 33. Damn. His OT catch against the Steelers after the 2011 season in Round 1 of the playoffs resulted in one of the most energetic reactions I have ever had to a sports play. R.I.P.
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I'm glad I'm not a Vikings fan. They look great at moments, but letting that flat Steelers team get back into it (and they WOULD have won that, they simply ran out of time) is the mark of a not-good team.
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Demaryius Thomas dead at 33. Damn. His OT catch against the Steelers after the 2011 season in Round 1 of the playoffs resulted in one of the most energetic reactions I have ever had to a sports play. R.I.P.
Wow, that's shocking.
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Yeah, what a tragedy. I guess he suffered from seizures. How lonely and humiliating to be found dead in the shower. He deserved to go out better than that. RIP :(
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Going away, tying one hand behind your back and still the other team can't stop you know this takes some guts.
That's a side bar to this, but it's one of the things I love love love about Belichick. He seemingly has no fear. He trusts his instincts and - and I try to use this in my real life - when he figures out a plan, by God, he sticks to it. There's no halfway with Belichick. If he lost that game, there's not a reporter worth his salt, nor a commentator worth hers, that would fail to point out he lost because he tied one arm behind his team's back proactively and was too stubborn to realize it. :)
They were all talking what if's on sport talk radio about that scenario for the last few days.
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Demaryius Thomas dead at 33. Damn. His OT catch against the Steelers after the 2011 season in Round 1 of the playoffs resulted in one of the most energetic reactions I have ever had to a sports play. R.I.P.
Thirty-frickin'-three! Damn...
I had lost track of him after he left the Broncos. My kid told me about this yesterday, and I was like, "What?! How old is he?" By all accounts, he was a good dude, which is impressive since both his mother and grandmother were sentenced to heft prison terms for crack distribution (both commuted toward the end of Barry O's administration). It said the death was a result of "medical complications related to injuries" sustained in a 2019 vehicle crash.
Right there with you as to that catch against the Steelers. That was right up there with the Malcolm Butler interception.
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I'm glad I'm not a Vikings fan. They look great at moments, but letting that flat Steelers team get back into it (and they WOULD have won that, they simply ran out of time) is the mark of a not-good team.
Even Cowherd today was expressing how impressed he was by Ben last night. Down 29-0, getting in people’s faces, rallying the troops, taking brutal hits, and making one great throw after another. Would have been a record comeback, 28 points is the record. Of course Claypool doing his best AB impression to undermine the whole effort with his look-at-me clueless antics is vintage Tomlin and his permissive approach.
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Demaryius Thomas dead at 33. Damn. His OT catch against the Steelers after the 2011 season in Round 1 of the playoffs resulted in one of the most energetic reactions I have ever had to a sports play. R.I.P.
Thirty-frickin'-three! Damn...
I had lost track of him after he left the Broncos. My kid told me about this yesterday, and I was like, "What?! How old is he?" By all accounts, he was a good dude, which is impressive since both his mother and grandmother were sentenced to heft prison terms for crack distribution (both commuted toward the end of Barry O's administration). It said the death was a result of "medical complications related to injuries" sustained in a 2019 vehicle crash.
Right there with you as to that catch against the Steelers. That was right up there with the Malcolm Butler interception.
Agreed. When thinking of most memorable playoff plays in the 10s, the Butler INT, Lynch's beast mode run and Tebow to Demaryius TD almost have to be the top 3. The Diggs TD to beat the Saints is probably pretty close, and (barf) I guess the Hail Flacco is also up there. >:(
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Demaryius Thomas dead at 33. Damn. His OT catch against the Steelers after the 2011 season in Round 1 of the playoffs resulted in one of the most energetic reactions I have ever had to a sports play. R.I.P.
Thirty-frickin'-three! Damn...
I had lost track of him after he left the Broncos. My kid told me about this yesterday, and I was like, "What?! How old is he?" By all accounts, he was a good dude, which is impressive since both his mother and grandmother were sentenced to heft prison terms for crack distribution (both commuted toward the end of Barry O's administration). It said the death was a result of "medical complications related to injuries" sustained in a 2019 vehicle crash.
Right there with you as to that catch against the Steelers. That was right up there with the Malcolm Butler interception.
Agreed. When thinking of most memorable playoff plays in the 10s, the Butler INT, Lynch's beast mode run and Tebow to Demaryius TD almost have to be the top 3. The Diggs TD to beat the Saints is probably pretty close, and (barf) I guess the Hail Flacco is also up there. >:(
Larry Fitzgerald torching Green Bay for 75 yards in OT, after St. Rodgers threw two incredible bombs to tie the game.
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I can't help but think that Butler INT is the biggest play in NFL playoff history, but maybe that is just my perspective in SEA. An INT at the goal line, less than a minute left, score within 6 points. A play that could have prevented a back-to-back Seahawks championship (and derailed a team that never really recovered, and fractured locker room, if stories are to be believed) and ushered in the second half of the Brady-Belichick dynasty. Plus, it was just came down to solid preparation and flawless execution. It wasn't a fluke, and while you could say the Hawks barfed away the game, it just all came down to one team's planning being the difference.
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Demaryius Thomas dead at 33. Damn. His OT catch against the Steelers after the 2011 season in Round 1 of the playoffs resulted in one of the most energetic reactions I have ever had to a sports play. R.I.P.
Thirty-frickin'-three! Damn...
I had lost track of him after he left the Broncos. My kid told me about this yesterday, and I was like, "What?! How old is he?" By all accounts, he was a good dude, which is impressive since both his mother and grandmother were sentenced to heft prison terms for crack distribution (both commuted toward the end of Barry O's administration). It said the death was a result of "medical complications related to injuries" sustained in a 2019 vehicle crash.
Right there with you as to that catch against the Steelers. That was right up there with the Malcolm Butler interception.
Agreed. When thinking of most memorable playoff plays in the 10s, the Butler INT, Lynch's beast mode run and Tebow to Demaryius TD almost have to be the top 3. The Diggs TD to beat the Saints is probably pretty close, and (barf) I guess the Hail Flacco is also up there. >:(
Larry Fitzgerald torching Green Bay for 75 yards in OT, after St. Rodgers threw two incredible bombs to tie the game.
That's a good one. I wouldn't put either in top tier with the Butler INT, the Beastquake run or Tebow to Demaryius, but both the Rodgers Hail Mary (still perhaps the most ridiculous throw I have ever seen) and the Fitz play in OT are not far behind.
I can't help but think that Butler INT is the biggest play in NFL playoff history, but maybe that is just my perspective in SEA. An INT at the goal line, less than a minute left, score within 6 points. A play that could have prevented a back-to-back Seahawks championship (and derailed a team that never really recovered, and fractured locker room, if stories are to be believed) and ushered in the second half of the Brady-Belichick dynasty. Plus, it was just came down to solid preparation and flawless execution. It wasn't a fluke, and while you could say the Hawks barfed away the game, it just all came down to one team's planning being the difference.
All fair points, but my POV has always been that the Seahawks were shit lucky to even be in the Super Bowl (it literally took several miracles for them to come back and beat GB in the NFCCG), so the Butler INT was merely setting things right. I get that Seahawks fans won't see it that way. :)
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I wish the Pats were playing this week because I can't keep listening to the NE media tell me that the Pats have practically won the SB when they barely squeaked out a win against the Bills.
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I wish the Pats were playing this week because I can't keep listening to the NE media tell me that the Pats have practically won the SB when they barely squeaked out a win against the Bills.
Who's saying that? All I've heard is that the #1 seed is in their hands for the AFC.
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I wish the Pats were playing this week because I can't keep listening to the NE media tell me that the Pats have practically won the SB when they barely squeaked out a win against the Bills.
Who's saying that? All I've heard is that the #1 seed is in their hands for the AFC.
I've been hearing it all week. But what got me to write it was watching the Fauria and Fitzy segment on whatever NBCSports Boston show that's they're on.
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Fitzy is the biggest Homer there is.
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Fitzy is the biggest Homer there is.
He's insufferable. I can't even listen to him.
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Nick Wright has already basically said that Mac Jones is too mediocre to lead a team to the Super Bowl, so we can scratch the Patriots off the list of AFC contenders.
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Well in all honesty, a rookie QB leading a team to the SB hasn't happened if memory serves me correct.
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The disadvantage a rookie QB is going to have is a lack of composure. McCorkle doesn't seem to be a choker. He's played with poise in some high pressure situations. Rather than that you should look at skills, and surrounded by a very talented team he probably does have the ability to get them there. The Websters definition of a mediocre QB is going to be Trent Dilfer, and he's got a ring. And an argument can be made that he's playing better than Brady did in 2001. He's a far cry from great right now, and he may never get there, but I don't think he'd be the reason they fell short.
I think the Bills might be kind of screwed up right now. MNF had to be fairly demoralizing. Sean McDermitt certainly hasn't endeared himself to the locker room. Scratching his KRs actually made sense, but saying he wanted somebody he could trust out there is the sort of thing that can upset a team. If Brady does to them what he's always done to them it might be time to write them off. I don't know as they're '03 Raiders level damaged, but I think there's a chance they don't recover from two bad losses.
The Jaguars really need to dump Meyer for the sake of Trevor Lawrence. I'm from Dallas, so I know that a dismal season doesn't necessarily prevent a QB from developing. Jimmy Johnson was moving the team forward, though, and he controlled the locker room. Normally I'd be inclined to cut a first year coach a fair amount of slack, and it's not lost on me that his hotshot RB was lost for the season. Their concern should be salvaging TL, though. They can't let Meyer screw the kid up, and I think that may be happening right now.
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Lamar Jackson carted off. That's it for the Ravens. They've had too many injuries to have an impact moving forward.
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Cleveland is choking!!
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Two suck games on this afternoon.
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Poor Bills fans. After nearly 20 years of watching their team clowned by Brady and Belichick in the same week, they now have to endure it back to back weeks. Between this, wide right and the Music City Miracle, they must have some major skeletons in their closets to have pissed off the sports gods this much. :lol :lol
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Wow, that was a great TD catch by Mike Evans!
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Just when you thought the Bills were dead.
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The Curse of McKinley lives on.
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Poor Bills fans. Their team makes a great comeback, only to be totally f'd by the officials. Shocking.
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Poor Bills fans. Their team makes a great comeback, only to be totally f'd by the officials. Shocking.
Well the Bills were getting in the way of the league agenda. I’m starting to buy into the idea that refs try to actively influence the outcomes of the games with blatant favoritism.
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It's like Bill Belichick is Emperor Palpatine behind the scenes.
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Bills played lights out in the 2nd half and truth be told I thought they would have gone for the 4th down instead of kicking the field goal. They had a huge momentum going their way and the Bucs defense were completely overrun 95% of the time during the 4th quarter. It was a nerve-wracking game for Bucs fans and I'm glad they won it in the end with that awesome run by Perriman.
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I have a feeling the Packers were just like whatever it’s the Bears. Not a good idea. I know we will come back but god it’s aggravating
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I’m wondering how much Virginia McCaskey paid these refs
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In other news Aaron Rodgers still owns the Bears in a majority stake
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Poor Bills fans. Their team makes a great comeback, only to be totally f'd by the officials. Shocking.
Yes, glad you changed the thread title. It was blatant favoritism. I checked the Bills’ board and a Pats fan was on there agreeing it was so. Don’t know how you root for that guy and not feel dirty. We’ll see how many gutless spineless commentators ignore it tomorrow.
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Poor Bills fans. Their team makes a great comeback, only to be totally f'd by the officials. Shocking.
Yes, glad you changed the thread title. It was blatant favoritism. I checked the Bills’ board and a Pats fan was on there agreeing it was so. Don’t know how you root for that guy and not feel dirty. We’ll see how many gutless spineless commentators ignore it tomorrow.
If you're so convinced the game is crooked why do you even watch it? If the league plays favorites then this is all no more than Survivor or professional wrestling. For the record, that was a terrible PI call. Shit happens. Ineptitude will always be far more likely than conspiracy, though.
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Wow, that was a great TD catch by Mike Evans!
I was talking with my wife and stepson while the game was on in the background, and saw that play and said "wow, what a catch by Evans!" so they both turned and looked, and Jim Fucking Nantz* says "wow, what a catch by Evans!" (the exact same words; I don't know if those WERE the words, but the point is, he said literally the exact thing I just said; it was funny at the time.)
* Have I ever told you guys how much I dislike Jim Nantz?
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Poor Bills fans. Their team makes a great comeback, only to be totally f'd by the officials. Shocking.
Yes, glad you changed the thread title. It was blatant favoritism. I checked the Bills’ board and a Pats fan was on there agreeing it was so. Don’t know how you root for that guy and not feel dirty. We’ll see how many gutless spineless commentators ignore it tomorrow.
If you're so convinced the game is crooked why do you even watch it? If the league plays favorites then this is all no more than Survivor or professional wrestling. For the record, that was a terrible PI call. Shit happens. Ineptitude will always be far more likely than conspiracy, though.
The problem with Dream Team's ridiculous and partisan theory is that it happens in EVERY GAME now to BOTH TEAMS. PI is an impossible penalty for DBs to play with at this point, though I fear the league likes it that way. I find it ridiculous that all other things being equal, the angle of the DB's head (whether he's "looking back") is the determinant between a great play and first down at the spot of the foul.
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I don't mind Nantz. And Romo is good, but a bit overbearing at times. He gets too preoccupied with trying to call out the play before the ball is snapped, like he wants to constantly show us how smart he is. And I get that most in the media have mad love for TB12, but Romo is as bad as Collinsworth with it. There was a play where Brady overthrew the receiver, who stretched out for it and almost made a fabulous catch, and Romo's immediate response was, "What a throw." :lol :lol Yes, Brady is the GOAT, but not everything he does is perfect on the field, and these guys look like fools when they pretend otherwise.
As for the officiating, Barto, I obviously do not think there is a conspiracy, but I think the officials are more likely to call plays for or against certain teams/players. The Bills 3rd down play at the end of regulation was clear cut defensive pass interference. Had it been called, the Bills have 1st and goal at the 1 with a chance to win the game with 20 seconds or less left. Instead, it is not called and they have to settle for a FG, and we all know that had the teams been flipped, the flag would have came flying. That is the issue. Brady gets the same treatment that MJ got in the 90s', It is hard enough to beat his team already, without the officials giving his team more of the benefit of the doubt than the other team more often than not. I know, I know, it's the way it is. Just look at Duke and UNC in college hoops. But it's just a bad look.
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I don't mind Nantz. And Romo is good, but a bit overbearing at times. He gets too preoccupied with trying to call out the play before the ball is snapped, like he wants to constantly show us how smart he is. And I get that most in the media have mad love for TB12, but Romo is as bad as Collinsworth with it. There was a play where Brady overthrew the receiver, who stretched out for it and almost made a fabulous catch, and Romo's immediate response was, "What a throw." :lol :lol Yes, Brady is the GOAT, but not everything he does is perfect on the field, and these guys look like fools when they pretend otherwise.
Interesting that I really like both Romo and Collinsworth. I don't say that to argue, but just put it out there.
I hate Nantz from all the way back to the Uconn/Duke championship game when Uconn won their first national title, and Billy Packer was downright miserable (I think he had money on the game) and Nantz was just in denial. He was SO convinced that Duke was going to win, that even in the upset, he couldn't give Uconn their due, and in fact, it was "Duke lost". The entire second half of the broadcast was "Duke this, Duke that...". If you heard the call (as opposed to seeing it) you wouldn't even have known who they were playing. Fucker. And it's not like Uconn was a fluke (three more titles later, and a bona fide Hall Of Fame coach - Jim Calhoun - while playing in the Big East with 'Nova, Georgetown, Syracuse, Seton Hall, Providence, etc.)
As for the officiating, Barto, I obviously do not think there is a conspiracy, but I think the officials are more likely to call plays for or against certain teams/players. The Bills 3rd down play at the end of regulation was clear cut defensive pass interference. Had it been called, the Bills have 1st and goal at the 1 with a chance to win the game with 20 seconds or less left. Instead, it is not called and they have to settle for a FG, and we all know that had the teams been flipped, the flag would have came flying. That is the issue. Brady gets the same treatment that MJ got in the 90s', It is hard enough to beat his team already, without the officials giving his team more of the benefit of the doubt than the other team more often than not. I know, I know, it's the way it is. Just look at Duke and UNC in college hoops. But it's just a bad look.
I don't know about that, unless there are a bunch of teams in that mix. I think it's more an "offensive" versus "defensive" thing than any specific team. The league wants action, the league wants every team to be in it until the end. For every notion that "TB" or "NE" or "Dallas" has to be there at the end, having the potential playoff teams be 10 or 12 deep is good for business.
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I hate Nantz from all the way back to the Uconn/Duke championship game when Uconn won their first national title, and Billy Packer was downright miserable (I think he had money on the game) and Nantz was just in denial. He was SO convinced that Duke was going to win, that even in the upset, he couldn't give Uconn their due, and in fact, it was "Duke lost". The entire second half of the broadcast was "Duke this, Duke that...". If you heard the call (as opposed to seeing it) you wouldn't even have known who they were playing. Fucker. And it's not like Uconn was a fluke (three more titles later, and a bona fide Hall Of Fame coach - Jim Calhoun - while playing in the Big East with 'Nova, Georgetown, Syracuse, Seton Hall, Providence, etc.)
Sounds like Homer Bias to me. The story WAS that Duke lost that year, because they were the favorite and the national power. UConn established their brand more after that game.
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I think in any pro sport the superstars get calls. It's an unfortunate part of the game.
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I hate Nantz from all the way back to the Uconn/Duke championship game when Uconn won their first national title, and Billy Packer was downright miserable (I think he had money on the game) and Nantz was just in denial. He was SO convinced that Duke was going to win, that even in the upset, he couldn't give Uconn their due, and in fact, it was "Duke lost". The entire second half of the broadcast was "Duke this, Duke that...". If you heard the call (as opposed to seeing it) you wouldn't even have known who they were playing. Fucker. And it's not like Uconn was a fluke (three more titles later, and a bona fide Hall Of Fame coach - Jim Calhoun - while playing in the Big East with 'Nova, Georgetown, Syracuse, Seton Hall, Providence, etc.)
Sounds like Homer Bias to me. The story WAS that Duke lost that year, because they were the favorite and the national power. UConn established their brand more after that game.
All true; but that's for the press wonks after the game. When you're CALLING the game, it shouldn't be an emotional event. Billy Packer was visibly (audibly?) angry at that game, and Nantz kept feeding that. (By the way, I hate Packer too, but he's a one-sport sort-a nobody, whereas Nantz is one of the marquee broadcasters on CBS across all sports).
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Don't get me wrong, I've never liked Packer in any way. But Nantz is a class act.
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It's interesting to see how much momentum shifts during the games at times. I watched two games yesterday Bucs vs Bills and Packers vs Bears, both of them had long stretches of domination by a team. Bears looked and did great in the first half and looked like they got shutdown completely in all phases in the 2nd half. I guess that is the difference where coaching makes with the adjustments and playing to the players skills.
Tampa could easily have lost that game with the way the Bills were playing, like it's said it all comes down to a few plays at the end and who does it better. The Bucs - Bills game had the feel of a playoff game when I was watching it and sure enough several press people and players mentioned the same.
With regards to the calls, I think it's about to be expected there will be issues. Some of the rules are I feel too complex and at the end of the day even if they are called correctly, some calls more than others ruin the flow of the game.
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What I always try to do, especially the after the uproar from the Cassius Marsh taunting penalty, is to look at it from the ref's point of view (literally). The ref was 10 yards in front of them and didn't get the side view we got. All he saw was Evans running towards him and the DB pushing him forward while he reached back for the ball. Like I said, mistake is always more likely than conspiracy. From his point of view, this wasn't a judgement call so tie goes to Brady. Trying to play that angle is a recipe for disaster. It simply looked like Evans was interfered with from where he was watching.
Also, while it probably wasn't DPI, it definitely wasn't OPI.
edit: I tried to make a gif of it, but the vid's too long, apparently. Here's the play. Watch where the flag sails in from.
https://youtu.be/2JRXRHDBkJE?t=918
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I find it ridiculous that all other things being equal, the angle of the DB's head (whether he's "looking back") is the determinant between a great play and first down at the spot of the foul.
Simple. If you're not "looking back," then you're not playing the ball.
"Acts that are pass interference include, but are not limited to:
(a) Contact by a player who is not playing the ball that restricts the opponent’s opportunity to make the catch." 2021 Official Playing Rules of the National Football League ("Rules"), Section 5, Art. 2(a). https://operations.nfl.com/media/5427/2021-nfl-rulebook.pdf
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The receiver was smart to put his arms out around him and to slow down to get the contact.
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I find it ridiculous that all other things being equal, the angle of the DB's head (whether he's "looking back") is the determinant between a great play and first down at the spot of the foul.
Simple. If you're not "looking back," then you're not playing the ball.
"Acts that are pass interference include, but are not limited to:
(a) Contact by a player who is not playing the ball that restricts the opponent’s opportunity to make the catch." 2021 Official Playing Rules of the National Football League ("Rules"), Section 5, Art. 2(a). https://operations.nfl.com/media/5427/2021-nfl-rulebook.pdf
No, I get the "why", I just think it's arbitrary.
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I find it ridiculous that all other things being equal, the angle of the DB's head (whether he's "looking back") is the determinant between a great play and first down at the spot of the foul.
Simple. If you're not "looking back," then you're not playing the ball.
"Acts that are pass interference include, but are not limited to:
(a) Contact by a player who is not playing the ball that restricts the opponent’s opportunity to make the catch." 2021 Official Playing Rules of the National Football League ("Rules"), Section 5, Art. 2(a). https://operations.nfl.com/media/5427/2021-nfl-rulebook.pdf
No, I get the "why", I just think it's arbitrary.
Makes sense to me. If you've got two guys who are "playing the ball" and they interfere with each other, that's not a penalty (except as otherwise indicated in the rule). That makes perfect sense. No? However, if one guy's "playing the ball" and the other guy isn't, then the other guy cannot legally interfere. Again, makes sense. And isn't it pretty conclusive that, if a guy isn't looking at the approaching ball, he cannot possibly be "playing the ball"?
The rule aside, it just baffles me how regularly DBs mindlessly run directly at a receiver trying to catch a ball without looking toward where the ball is coming from. I swear half of the PI calls could be avoided if they forgot their training from the Prometheus School of Running Away from Things.
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I don’t think it’s arbitrary at all. Both players have a right to make a play on the ball. If the defender is making a play on the ball then he obviously can’t keep his eye actually on the receiver. That also he means he runs the risk of contact, because he’s not looking at the receiver. Yet, he does have that same right as the receiver to make a play on the ball. If he’s staring right at the receiver and not making a play on the ball, then physical contact is more intentional. You’re looking right at him. Therefore, you have to avoid that contact.
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The problem is defensive backs are being penalized for quarterbacks under throwing receivers, which was the case in the Bucs/Bills play.
Not sure how to fix this, but it’s been an issue for years.
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After winning their first onside kick since 2008, the Cardinals do some really head scratching clock management at the end. Had they managed their time better this was headed to overtime or even a win at the end.
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The problem is defensive backs are being penalized for quarterbacks under throwing receivers, which was the case in the Bucs/Bills play.
Not sure how to fix this, but it’s been an issue for years.
This. This isn't about "playing the ball" at that point, it's about positioning. Great quarterbacks play the field; if I see a point at which my receiver gets behind the DB, if I'm under pressure and scrambling to avoid the sack, I don't need to make a bullet laser throw to the receiver's back shoulder; I can play it safe and throw it short and take my chances.
This is (partly) what I mean by "arbitrary".
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After winning their first onside kick since 2008, the Cardinals do some really head scratching clock management at the end. Had they managed their time better this was headed to overtime or even a win at the end.
I've said this before, but I'll say it again: the Cardinals are not a serious contender for the Championship THIS YEAR (maybe that will change). There wasn't just "one mistake", i.e. the holding. There were multiple mistakes. They should have kicked the field goal when they had the chance. Murray CANNOT take a sack at that point. There CANNOT BE miscommunication between the QB and the O-Line in that situation (the O-Line reportedly thought there was going to be a spike).
And worse, Murray CANNOT pout like a petulant child every time something doesn't go his way. In his press conference, he was asked about some of the decisions and his answer was "I don't remember, it was the heat of the moment". That's the LAST thing you want your QB thinking. For Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Jimmy G, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, etc., there is no "heat of the moment". At least in perception, the last 90 seconds is no different than the middle of the second quarter in a pre-season game. There are no excuses. I think right now, between Kingsbury and Murray, they are too immature a team to make a deep run to the playoffs, especially against teams like the Rams, the Packers, the Niners, the Cowboys, even the Saints.
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I don’t think it’s arbitrary at all. Both players have a right to make a play on the ball. If the defender is making a play on the ball then he obviously can’t keep his eye actually on the receiver. That also he means he runs the risk of contact, because he’s not looking at the receiver. Yet, he does have that same right as the receiver to make a play on the ball. If he’s staring right at the receiver and not making a play on the ball, then physical contact is more intentional. You’re looking right at him. Therefore, you have to avoid that contact.
But "looking at the ball" is not the only way to PLAY the ball. The receiver needs to see the ball to make the catch; the DB isn't - necessarily - making the catch, but disrupting the receiver from making the catch. I'll bet you the new DT album that if you asked Rodney Harrison or Stephan Gilmore if they needed to "see the ball" to make a play on a receiver, they'd laugh at you. For starters, you can watch the receivers EYES. They don't lie. How many times have we seen DBs make a stellar play simply by watching the QBs eyes? It's the same thing. And the upshot, here, I don't need to "turn to the ball" to do that.
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After winning their first onside kick since 2008, the Cardinals do some really head scratching clock management at the end. Had they managed their time better this was headed to overtime or even a win at the end.
I've said this before, but I'll say it again: the Cardinals are not a serious contender for the Championship THIS YEAR (maybe that will change). There wasn't just "one mistake", i.e. the holding. There were multiple mistakes. They should have kicked the field goal when they had the chance. Murray CANNOT take a sack at that point. There CANNOT BE miscommunication between the QB and the O-Line in that situation (the O-Line reportedly thought there was going to be a spike).
And worse, Murray CANNOT pout like a petulant child every time something doesn't go his way. In his press conference, he was asked about some of the decisions and his answer was "I don't remember, it was the heat of the moment". That's the LAST thing you want your QB thinking. For Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Jimmy G, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, etc., there is no "heat of the moment". At least in perception, the last 90 seconds is no different than the middle of the second quarter in a pre-season game. There are no excuses. I think right now, between Kingsbury and Murray, they are too immature a team to make a deep run to the playoffs, especially against teams like the Rams, the Packers, the Niners, the Cowboys, even the Saints.
That is some of my take as well, I haven't watched that many Cardinals games and they do look like they need a bit of work. Murray is good but definitely needs to mature.
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I am with ya on Murray, Bill. He looked completely panicked at the end of that game, and I cannot imagine him coming up big at the end of a playoff game against Brady or Rodgers in the NFC, which is likely what it would take for Arizona to get to the Super Bowl.
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Just a final thought on the officiating in the Buf-TB "game" - this shit should reek to anyone with a functioning nose. Brady's in bed with ESPN with his ceaseless self-promotion, ESPN is in bed with the NFL. It's all very cozy, and a big reason ESPN never calls out terrible officiating.
Remember the NFC Championship game last year, when the deciding play was a flag because the TB receiver had his shirt stretched? Yeah Stephon Diggs had his shirt stretched 3 sizes twice (visible to the entire stadium) but yellow flags were nowhere to be seen IN A CRITICAL MOMENT OF THE GAME. That's they key point, WHEN the flags are thrown or not thrown. I just can't imagine why there would be a double-standard like that if nothing nefarious was at play.
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Do you remember deflategate? ESPN was on Brady's side? That's a bunch of crock.
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The problem is defensive backs are being penalized for quarterbacks under throwing receivers, which was the case in the Bucs/Bills play.
Not sure how to fix this, but it’s been an issue for years.
I disagree, and the "fix" is simple. QB underthrows receiver. DB is not blindly charging in the direction of the receiver but, instead, is looking back and sees underthrown pass. DB intercepts or deflects underthrown ball. In other words, DBs need to be taught and learn to play the ball, not the receiver.
I don’t think it’s arbitrary at all. Both players have a right to make a play on the ball. If the defender is making a play on the ball then he obviously can’t keep his eye actually on the receiver. That also he means he runs the risk of contact, because he’s not looking at the receiver. Yet, he does have that same right as the receiver to make a play on the ball. If he’s staring right at the receiver and not making a play on the ball, then physical contact is more intentional. You’re looking right at him. Therefore, you have to avoid that contact.
But "looking at the ball" is not the only way to PLAY the ball. The receiver needs to see the ball to make the catch; the DB isn't - necessarily - making the catch, but disrupting the receiver from making the catch. I'll bet you the new DT album that if you asked Rodney Harrison or Stephan Gilmore if they needed to "see the ball" to make a play on a receiver, they'd laugh at you. For starters, you can watch the receivers EYES. They don't lie. How many times have we seen DBs make a stellar play simply by watching the QBs eyes? It's the same thing. And the upshot, here, I don't need to "turn to the ball" to do that.
"[M]ak[ing] a play on a receiver" is not legal if it results in contact. The whole point of the rule is to require the DB to play the ball, NOT play the receiver. Yes, you can do your job as a DB without ever trying to catch the ball. However, again, the rule is about as clear as day that, if you (1) make contact (2) that inhibits the receiver from catching the ball and (3) are not attempting the play the ball yourself, you are guilty of pass interference. Thus, if you don't want to play the ball, then don't make contact.
As far as reading eyes, I think that's a load of crap. You're telling me that a DB running at full speed can see a QB's eyes from 35 yards away? I don't think so. Also, if you're "reading the QB's eyes," then you're looking in the direction from which the ball is coming, so the issue being discussed wouldn't be an issue.
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An interesting move by OBJ last night was going out of bounds during one of the last drives of the game and that kept the clock running. He apparently went backwards from the forward progress and then out of bounds, this would spot at the forward progress and keep the clock running. I had no clue the clock would be running in that situation and by the looks of things neither did Stafford.
Here's the play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLeEJMJyq9I&ab_channel=SportyBeast (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLeEJMJyq9I&ab_channel=SportyBeast)
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Didn’t want to start a pyramid, but I agree with pg on almost all points. An underthrown ball benefits the defensive back. It doesn’t penalize him. All he has to do is turn around and make a play on the ball and it’s an easy interception.
However, the receivers eyes CAN lie. Steve Largent did it all the time. Not too many receivers are really talented at “faking with their eyes“, but the ones that are good at it are brilliant at getting open
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I am with ya on Murray, Bill. He looked completely panicked at the end of that game, and I cannot imagine him coming up big at the end of a playoff game against Brady or Rodgers in the NFC, which is likely what it would take for Arizona to get to the Super Bowl.
Murray didn't really play well the whole game. He looked rusty and accuracy was off. When he plays well, there is no panic factor at the end of the game.
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The problem is defensive backs are being penalized for quarterbacks under throwing receivers, which was the case in the Bucs/Bills play.
Not sure how to fix this, but it’s been an issue for years.
I disagree, and the "fix" is simple. QB underthrows receiver. DB is not blindly charging in the direction of the receiver but, instead, is looking back and sees underthrown pass. DB intercepts or deflects underthrown ball. In other words, DBs need to be taught and learn to play the ball, not the receiver.
So if a defense puts pressure on a QB which results in a poor throw and a receiver has to stop his route and the DB runs into him, that should favor the offense?
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I don’t think it’s arbitrary at all. Both players have a right to make a play on the ball. If the defender is making a play on the ball then he obviously can’t keep his eye actually on the receiver. That also he means he runs the risk of contact, because he’s not looking at the receiver. Yet, he does have that same right as the receiver to make a play on the ball. If he’s staring right at the receiver and not making a play on the ball, then physical contact is more intentional. You’re looking right at him. Therefore, you have to avoid that contact.
But "looking at the ball" is not the only way to PLAY the ball. The receiver needs to see the ball to make the catch; the DB isn't - necessarily - making the catch, but disrupting the receiver from making the catch. I'll bet you the new DT album that if you asked Rodney Harrison or Stephan Gilmore if they needed to "see the ball" to make a play on a receiver, they'd laugh at you. For starters, you can watch the receivers EYES. They don't lie. How many times have we seen DBs make a stellar play simply by watching the QBs eyes? It's the same thing. And the upshot, here, I don't need to "turn to the ball" to do that.
"[M]ak[ing] a play on a receiver" is not legal if it results in contact. The whole point of the rule is to require the DB to play the ball, NOT play the receiver. Yes, you can do your job as a DB without ever trying to catch the ball. However, again, the rule is about as clear as day that, if you (1) make contact (2) that inhibits the receiver from catching the ball and (3) are not attempting the play the ball yourself, you are guilty of pass interference. Thus, if you don't want to play the ball, then don't make contact.
As far as reading eyes, I think that's a load of crap. You're telling me that a DB running at full speed can see a QB's eyes from 35 yards away? I don't think so. Also, if you're "reading the QB's eyes," then you're looking in the direction from which the ball is coming, so the issue being discussed wouldn't be an issue.
I respectfully think you're misunderstanding me. With respect to the first paragraph, how are you interpreting "playing the ball"? There's nothing there that contradicts what I'm saying. "Catching" the ball and "playing" the ball are not the same thing. Batting away, for example. In many cases, there are situations where the DB WOULDN'T want to intercept (usually fourth down plays) so they aren't synonymous.
As for the reading eyes, I don't know about "running full speed away"; in that scenario I was talking about looking at the receivers eyes. nd it's absolutely possible. When I played defense, and I was in the slot I often tangled with the wing/forward in the slot and just watched his eyes to see where the puck was. I only mentioned the QB's eyes, becuase that's something that is talked about often, and in fact, I think it was the Pats/Buffalo game where they showed the two DBs dropping back in zone leaving the slot receiver in man-to-man, but the weak side DB was able to release and double team the slot receiver because he was watching the QBs eyes the whole way. That DB ended up batting down the ball preserving the win.
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Rams put 6 more players on the Covid list today, including OBJ. :omg:
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Rams put 6 more players on the Covid list today, including OBJ. :omg:
I heard he was able to catch it with one hand.
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The problem is defensive backs are being penalized for quarterbacks under throwing receivers, which was the case in the Bucs/Bills play.
Not sure how to fix this, but it’s been an issue for years.
I disagree, and the "fix" is simple. QB underthrows receiver. DB is not blindly charging in the direction of the receiver but, instead, is looking back and sees underthrown pass. DB intercepts or deflects underthrown ball. In other words, DBs need to be taught and learn to play the ball, not the receiver.
So if a defense puts pressure on a QB which results in a poor throw and a receiver has to stop his route and the DB runs into him, that should favor the offense?
Yes. If the DB is paying attention and not just running blindly in the direction of the receiver, he won't run into the receiver.
I respectfully think you're misunderstanding me.
That's entirely possible. I am primarily talking about situations in which the DB allows the receiver to run past him. Often, the receiver will continue running while turning back to watch the coming from the QB, but the DB will simply run towards the receiver without looking to see the ball. The DB then runs into the receiver (who often slows down or stops altogether) and, in doing so, prevents the receiver from catching the ball. That's textbook interference. Of course, the receiver could, in theory, start waving his hands over his head in the hope that doing so knocks the ball away, but I've never seen that. On the other hand, a good DB will look back and see the ball coming. Doing that (1) dramatically reduces the possibility of contact (which would negate an element of PI) and (2) gives the DB a much better chance of playing the ball (which would negate a different element of PI). This is why looking back is important and not at all arbitrary.
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With 3:30 left in the first half of the Baltimore-Cleveland game, Justin Tucker kicks a FG to cut the Browns' lead to 17-3. On the ensuing kick off, he line drives it down the center, the ball bouncing from around the 25 to near the one yard line and the side line. A Browns' player slides out of bounds, then grabs the ball.
A flag is thrown.....for.....get this...... an out of bounds kick off !!!! Cleveland ball at the 40.
WTF?!?!?!? For the only time that half, I jumped up, yelled, screamed, etc.... "The guy is out of bounds. That's a penalty. Move it half the distance to the 18 inch line for illegal touching."
Well, it seems that's the rule. :facepalm: It happened years ago
https://www.businessinsider.com/packers-exploit-kickoff-rule-for-40-yard-return-2016-9 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdw3Xj__eKA
Kudos to those who actually knew of this.
Easily one of the ten dumbest rules in all of sports. (maybe I'll start a thread on that subject)
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I'm not sure it's top 10, but I agree it's a dumb rule. I distinctly recall when it happened in the Packers game several years ago.
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Rams put 6 more players on the Covid list today, including OBJ. :omg:
I heard he was able to catch it with one hand.
:lol Good one Tim!
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Damn! Browns getting their butts kicked by Covid too. :facepalm:
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It looks like there are 7 teams using enhanced COVID protocols, yesterday I think it was up to 75 players testing positive in a two day span.
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Damn! Browns getting their butts kicked by Covid too. :facepalm:
With Stefanski out, maybe we'll see some more creative play calling and some actual half time adjustments.
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So, Dipsh*t Meyer got the boot from the Jags for giving a boot (amongst other things). Couldn't believe the hire in the first place, somewhat surprised he lasted as long as he did.
Good riddance.
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I'm quite honest he made it this far, given what kept coming out in the news with his rapport with the coaches and players. I guess it had to happen sooner than later. Is this the shortest tenure for an NFL coach? barely lasting a season?
Edit: Interesting list (https://www.nfl.com/photos/shortest-tenured-nfl-coaches-0ap1000000092526#c279eabb-fcd6-44d0-ac5a-e2286234d2a3) I found on nfl.com, Bill Belichick is the shortest tenured coach of one total day with the Jets. Some other great examples in there.
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I hope Urban Meyer never gets an opportunity anywhere else, including tv jobs. He’s just an awful person.
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I have no idea if he's an awful person or not, but they needed to do this. Like I said, they were going to ruin a generational QB prospect. For his own development they needed to flag this season as an exception and not the rule.
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How does a coach do so well at the college level but completely run off the rails as a pro coach? Hard to explain. This felt different than the typical coach who works better at the collegiate level.
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How does a coach do so well at the college level but completely run off the rails as a pro coach? Hard to explain. This felt different than the typical coach who works better at the collegiate level.
Because at the college level you can treat your players like children. You can treat them like shit and they're just happy to be there. At the pro level you have to treat them like adults, and as integral parts of your operation. At Ohio he was worth more than every player on the team. When he gets to JAX the players are worth far more than the coach. That seems to be the part that UM missed.
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No, I get that but look at how he acted during this time. None of this ever came out during the college years?
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I have no idea if he's an awful person or not, but they needed to do this. Like I said, they were going to ruin a generational QB prospect. For his own development they needed to flag this season as an exception and not the rule.
The problem, of course, is that Urban Meyer is not Shad Khan's only bad decision. Who they bring in next is arguably his most important decision yet, and he's not got a good track record. So my hopes aren't high (they're not anyway; I'm not a Jags fan).
And sorry to break anyone's heart, but Meyer WILL coach again if he wants to. Go quietly, get on a sports network to get your name out there, do a full-on, in-depth interview with 60 Minutes or ESPN to "clear your name", then give it another couple months. Then... OSU isn't coming back, Florida isn't coming back, but there are plenty of almost-there's that would take him on the presumption that a marquee coach is their only missing piece.
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I agree that he may likely continue coaching. Just not in the NFL.
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No, I get that but look at how he acted during this time. None of this ever came out during the college years?
I'm sure he acted exactly the same way. The difference is that at the collegiate level the university is going to back a big name coach at every turn. You're their guy. Christ, look at how long Sandusky stayed under the radar. At the professional level it's the other way around. Trevor Lawrence stabs somebody in the neck over a haircut, he's the guy the owners are going to protect. Not Urban Meyer. The coach is sacrificial.
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I have no idea if he's an awful person or not, but they needed to do this. Like I said, they were going to ruin a generational QB prospect. For his own development they needed to flag this season as an exception and not the rule.
The problem, of course, is that Urban Meyer is not Shad Khan's only bad decision. Who they bring in next is arguably his most important decision yet, and he's not got a good track record. So my hopes aren't high (they're not anyway; I'm not a Jags fan).
And we all know who the odds on favorite is. Job's his if he wants it, I reckon. It'd be a good fit, honestly, but I doubt it happens.
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Man, the league is really erupting with COVID cases. I wonder if we'll see some kind of season postponement.
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I have no idea if he's an awful person or not, but they needed to do this. Like I said, they were going to ruin a generational QB prospect. For his own development they needed to flag this season as an exception and not the rule.
The problem, of course, is that Urban Meyer is not Shad Khan's only bad decision. Who they bring in next is arguably his most important decision yet, and he's not got a good track record. So my hopes aren't high (they're not anyway; I'm not a Jags fan).
And we all know who the odds on favorite is. Job's his if he wants it, I reckon. It'd be a good fit, honestly, but I doubt it happens.
For the Jags job? I will seriously ROFLCOPTER in my LOLLERSKATES if it's Gruden.
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Man, the league is really erupting with COVID cases. I wonder if we'll see some kind of season postponement.
The way many leagues keep trucking on, I just don't think so.
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I have no idea if he's an awful person or not, but they needed to do this. Like I said, they were going to ruin a generational QB prospect. For his own development they needed to flag this season as an exception and not the rule.
The problem, of course, is that Urban Meyer is not Shad Khan's only bad decision. Who they bring in next is arguably his most important decision yet, and he's not got a good track record. So my hopes aren't high (they're not anyway; I'm not a Jags fan).
And we all know who the odds on favorite is. Job's his if he wants it, I reckon. It'd be a good fit, honestly, but I doubt it happens.
For the Jags job? I will seriously ROFLCOPTER in my LOLLERSKATES if it's Gruden.
Gruden is radioactive level toxic right now. He couldn't get hired as a towel boy. JMD is the obvious pick, especially after what he's done with McCorckle. Thankfully, I think he wants to stick with the youngster he's already got, rather than taking on a different one.
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Man, the league is really erupting with COVID cases. I wonder if we'll see some kind of season postponement.
The way many leagues keep trucking on, I just don't think so.
Exactly. The NFL is doing everything they can to not move games and stay on schedule. Enhanced protocol forthcoming.
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Live look at Bill after seeing that 4th down pass by Mahomes:
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/6pJNYBYSMFod2/giphy.gif?cid=790b761192eb8a6dae982a800927145c3c0d5c9eae91844d&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)
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I normally like a coach being aggressive, but the Chargers coach went for it on too many 4th downs last night. Had they kicked a FG a couple times instead, it is possible that they win it in regulation (hard to say for sure, as the game plays out differently had they kicked FGs). All of the analytics nerds will gush over him and say he did the right thing, but I do not agree.
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Fun fact: this weekend's Patriots/Colts game will be the first between the two since 1997 where one of the starting QBs doesn't have the last name Manning or Brady. :eek :eek :lol :lol
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I had no idea they were doing Saturday games during the season. Was this also there last year?
Looks like I missed a great game last night. Hope the Chargers Tight End Parham gets better, sad to him injured that way.
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Fun fact: this weekend's Patriots/Colts game will be the first between the two since 1997 where one of the starting QBs doesn't have the last name Manning or Brady. :eek :eek :lol :lol
Bledsoe and Harbaugh?
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Fun fact: this weekend's Patriots/Colts game will be the first between the two since 1997 where one of the starting QBs doesn't have the last name Manning or Brady. :eek :eek :lol :lol
Bledsoe and Harbaugh?
Those are them.
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I hope Urban Meyer never gets an opportunity anywhere else, including tv jobs. He’s just an awful person.
I was lucky enough to go to the University of Florida during the Tebow/Meyer years and I remember how he was treated like a god until the moment he started doing interviews for the school newspaper saying he was retiring only to go to Ohio state. The tide turned against him quick UF.
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I normally like a coach being aggressive, but the Chargers coach went for it on too many 4th downs last night. Had they kicked a FG a couple times instead, it is possible that they win it in regulation (hard to say for sure, as the game plays out differently had they kicked FGs). All of the analytics nerds will gush over him and say he did the right thing, but I do not agree.
There was a great discussion about this on Key/Jwill/Max on ESPN radio this morning. Obvs, we need to know WHAT analytics Staley was looking at, but I find a great deal of problems with being slaves to the numbers like that. Does the algorithm take into account the mental state of the two teams before and after the decision? Does it account for the degree to which "points" changes the strategy of the teams in terms of their situational game-calling? It's basically only possible to look at so many scenarios in real time, and all have problems; "League 4th down percentage" (too many great, and shitty, teams that are not "The Chargers" included in that data sample, and no situational data); "Chargers 4th down percentage" (not all of those were against the Chiefs, and no situational data); "Chiefs 4th down defensive percentage" (not all of those were against the Chargers, and no situational data).
I think Staley might be a little too beholden to the numbers and losing the "feel" of the team and/or the game. That's just me, though.
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Fun fact: this weekend's Patriots/Colts game will be the first between the two since 1997 where one of the starting QBs doesn't have the last name Manning or Brady. :eek :eek :lol :lol
Bledsoe and Harbaugh?
Those are them.
I'm surprised I got it right My memory been blurred of late. Everything jumbles together from decades ago.
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I normally like a coach being aggressive, but the Chargers coach went for it on too many 4th downs last night. Had they kicked a FG a couple times instead, it is possible that they win it in regulation (hard to say for sure, as the game plays out differently had they kicked FGs). All of the analytics nerds will gush over him and say he did the right thing, but I do not agree.
Saw this morning that last night was the first time a team had gone for it on fourth and goal and failed twice in the first half in 37 years. Last team to do so was the Chargers against the Chiefs on 12/16/84. Same teams, same date, 37 years apart.
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I had no idea they were doing Saturday games during the season. Was this also there last year?
Looks like I missed a great game last night. Hope the Chargers Tight End Parham gets better, sad to him injured that way.
Yes - it there last year. But it's been this way for many, many years and I think it was to fill the void before "Bowl" season takes place.
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I had no idea they were doing Saturday games during the season. Was this also there last year?
Looks like I missed a great game last night. Hope the Chargers Tight End Parham gets better, sad to him injured that way.
Yes - it there last year. But it's been this way for many, many years and I think it was to fill the void before "Bowl" season takes place.
I feel like I'm in the twilight zone not knowing that they've been playing Saturday games the past several years.
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Then I won't tell you that the NFL has been doing this since the early 50's.
https://www.sbnation.com/2018/12/15/18141446/saturday-nfl-games-december
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Something interesting for you stats guys going into the TNF game.
Justin Herbert's career record: 14-14 (now 14-15)
LA Chargers all time record: 467-467 (now 467-468)
Kyle Brandt from GMFB calls them the "almost" team. :lol
They almost converted several 4th downs.
They almost made critical tackles.
They are almost a winning team.
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Then I won't tell you that the NFL has been doing this since the early 50's.
https://www.sbnation.com/2018/12/15/18141446/saturday-nfl-games-december
I think in my mind I had it they would play on Saturdays in December occasionally and not every year.
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I had no idea they were doing Saturday games during the season. Was this also there last year?
I've lost track what week of the season we're in, but I remember the NFL always having Saturday games the last couple weeks of the season. I assume it was a thing where they didn't play on Saturday for most of the season so as not to conflict with minor league football. However, now that MiLF is on hiatus pending the meaningless bowl games, the NFL will jump on Saturdays.
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I always figured that they just wanted football on as many nights as possible for the TV revenue. But what do I know.
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Browns v. Raiders got moved to Monday due to covid. Rams-Seahawks, and Eagles-WFT moved to Tuesday.
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Damn! Didn't think they'd actually do it.
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Damn! Didn't think they'd actually do it.
I didn't think they would do either. :omg:
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Going for it on 4th down: it is NOT a given that the field goal is made!!
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I only saw parts of the game, but it's clear that the Chiefs are simply not very good this year. Mahomes doesn't even look like the same QB. That INT he threw was atrocious, and he threw another that was dropped (the one late I will not count against him because all indications are that he knew that the Giants had jumped offsides and a flag had been thrown, so he knew he had a free play). Plus, it's the eye test. He just doesn't look like the same QB. He used to just walk out there and move with swagger. He now looks like a guy unsure of himself. A big part of that could be how bad his o-line is and knowing he has to run for his life on every other play, but the fantasy some have that the Chiefs will get it together and become the powerhouse team again any day now is just that, a fantasy.
For those that care to dig into the data, the Chiefs this year are still moving the ball and converting first downs at an elite level. As soon as the turnover luck evens out they'll be fine, as long as the defense is average.
https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1452655259831128067/photo/1
This post has aged well.
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Indy dominating the line play tonight on both sides of the ball.
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The Pats are flat.
I knew they were in trouble before the snap of the blocked punt. They looked like they didn't know where to lineup.
Mac's biggest problem to me, is that he gives up on the deep guy way too fast. On their first possession where he hit Myers, he had Aghelor way behind the safety home free. And that was an untimely drop by Myers down the sideline.
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I only saw some of the first quarter, but that first TD drive was surgical. Nothing but runs and it is not often you can run it on every down and score on a Belichick defense.
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Tim, that deep pass was perfect. Receiver has to catch that.
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Pittman gets ejected for getting shoved from behind and having his helmet ripped off when getting double teamed.
Classic NFL officiating. :rollin :rollin
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:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Kicking for 3? I don't get it.
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Indy deserves all the accolades. They physically beat the Pats tonight.
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Good to see the Patriots get their teeth kicked in in prime time for once. I'm so sick of their success and seeing them get stomped like they did in the first half was one of the most enjoyable things I've seen all season.
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The Pats are flat.
I knew they were in trouble before the snap of the blocked punt. They looked like they didn't know where to lineup.
Mac's biggest problem to me, is that he gives up on the deep guy way too fast. On their first possession where he hit Myers, he had Aghelor way behind the safety home free. And that was an untimely drop by Myers down the sideline.
He did that again on the flea-flicker; Harry ran a post while the DB sat and decided his picks for Sunday. Mac either never saw him or figured he didn't have time to heave it.
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Indy deserves all the accolades. They physically beat the Pats tonight.
That fourth down conversation late in the game by the Colts was tough to watch. Greg Olson (I think that's who was announcing the game) said it best: a good running game is when everyone in the stadium including the other team knows you're going to run it and you still can.
Acourse, for all the gloating going on, if they face each other again in the playoffs, put the farm, the retirement, and your kids' college fund on the Pats. I said in the "Pick 'Em" thread that other than being upset with individual players for their lack of focus and discipline, I can't imagine Bill is lamenting the loss itself any more than usual.
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I was fine with BB kicking the FG with just under 9 minutes left. It was 4th and goal from the 7, his D had played great for most of the second half, and he was thinking his defense would get stops and they'd get two more possessions. It did not work out, but his logic was sound, IMO.
Also, he'll probably need to set a few records to get serious consideration, but Jonathan Taylor probably should be the MVP. I am sure the media is dying to give it to TB12, and have zero interest in ever giving Rodgers one again after he lied to them about COVID, but Taylor is that entire offense. And he is having an unreal season.
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I was fine with BB kicking the FG with just under 9 minutes left. It was 4th and goal from the 7, his D had played great for most of the second half, and he was thinking his defense would get stops and they'd get two more possessions. It did not work out, but his logic was sound, IMO.
Also, he'll probably need to set a few records to get serious consideration, but Jonathan Taylor probably should be the MVP. I am sure the media is dying to give it to TB12, and have zero interest in ever giving Rodgers one again after he lied to them about COVID, but Taylor is that entire offense. And he is having an unreal season.
In the post-game interviews - which were AWFUL; the only one from the desk I knew is Michael Irvin, and his was the only question that made any sense - they kept asking him about the MVP. God bless Jonathan Taylor for sticking to the script. He said a variation of "This was a good team win, we're focused on the game, and just want to get better each week and get into the playoffs" like seven times. :) :) :P
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Acourse, for all the gloating going on, if they face each other again in the playoffs, put the farm, the retirement, and your kids' college fund on the Pats. I said in the "Pick 'Em" thread that other than being upset with individual players for their lack of focus and discipline, I can't imagine Bill is lamenting the loss itself any more than usual.
This. I was thinking the same thing last night.
I was certain that Indi was going to rip a long run at some point last night. Towards the end of the game I was hoping that it was the 37 yarder earlier. Shame the big one came when it did. Also, I think we're really feeling the loss of Joe Judge right now. Special teams meltdowns have been a problem this season. Take away the blocked punt and it's a very different ballgame last night.
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I was fine with BB kicking the FG with just under 9 minutes left. It was 4th and goal from the 7, his D had played great for most of the second half, and he was thinking his defense would get stops and they'd get two more possessions. It did not work out, but his logic was sound, IMO.
Also, he'll probably need to set a few records to get serious consideration, but Jonathan Taylor probably should be the MVP. I am sure the media is dying to give it to TB12, and have zero interest in ever giving Rodgers one again after he lied to them about COVID, but Taylor is that entire offense. And he is having an unreal season.
In the post-game interviews - which were AWFUL; the only one from the desk I knew is Michael Irvin, and his was the only question that made any sense - they kept asking him about the MVP. God bless Jonathan Taylor for sticking to the script. He said a variation of "This was a good team win, we're focused on the game, and just want to get better each week and get into the playoffs" like seven times. :) :) :P
Yep. I loved his reaction after their first score when Hines scored on a jet sweep. Some RBs would be less than thrilled about not getting the score after carrying the load for most of the drive, but he looked as excited as anyone in the end zone when they were celebrating. Granted, he has like 319 touchdowns this season, so he has eaten a lot, but I still loved seeing that. Seems like a team guy. :tup :tup
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Acourse, for all the gloating going on, if they face each other again in the playoffs, put the farm, the retirement, and your kids' college fund on the Pats. I said in the "Pick 'Em" thread that other than being upset with individual players for their lack of focus and discipline, I can't imagine Bill is lamenting the loss itself any more than usual.
This. I was thinking the same thing last night.
I was certain that Indi was going to rip a long run at some point last night. Towards the end of the game I was hoping that it was the 37 yarder earlier. Shame the big one came when it did. Also, I think we're really feeling the loss of Joe Judge right now. Special teams meltdowns have been a problem this season. Take away the blocked punt and it's a very different ballgame last night.
Pretty sure the Giants will let Bill have him back :lol
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Bridgewater might not lift a finger to tackle the other team, but he'll damn sure level himself.
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As a person who hopes the Packers win, the calls against the Ravens defense have been a joke.
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That Tyler Huntley kid deserves to be a starter somewhere. Seen a couple of games with him and he seems legit.
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Another failed 2pt try for the win for the Ravens. Totally agreed with going for it against Pittsburgh, not so tonight.
Meanwhile, and not for the first time, we're getting the game audio in Spanish for SNF. ?!?!?!?
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As a person who hopes the Packers win, the calls against the Ravens defense have been a joke.
Receiver's hips turned unnaturally while he was trying to cut as a result of the contact. It really was the slightest of contact, but it did seem to effect the receiver in his move. I have to consider that a pretty good call that a lot of others might have missed. We're so caught up in badmouthing refs for flagging things we don't see that we neglect to give them props for seeing things we don't.
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Well the Saints have owned the Bucs the past few years even without Sean Payton, Drew Brees and Jameis Winston. That Saints Defense is just too good.
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It’s amazing to me that people realize that over the past 30 years advances have been made in scientific understanding, technology, etc but they refuse to believe that advances can be made in football strategy :lol.
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It will be interesting in the Colts and Titans meet in the playoffs. The Titans beat them twice this year, but the Colts are playing so much better now.
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It will be interesting in the Colts and Titans meet in the playoffs. The Titans beat them twice this year, but the Colts are playing so much better now.
I'm glad I'm not a Colts fan, though; I do NOT trust Carson Wentz in the heat of the moment.
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That Tyler Huntley kid deserves to be a starter somewhere. Seen a couple of games with him and he seems legit.
I cant' decide; I had the game on while I was cooking, so keep that in mind, but I'd look up and he's doing something amazing, and then I'd look up and he's doing something stupid. I'm sure with regular reps he will be more consistent, and even the announcers (I forget who they were) said "he was auditioning". So you're probably right. But on that 2pt play, he threw into triple coverage to his money guy, but Marquis Brown was WIDE OPEN cutting across the back of the endzone.
Also, it was a highlight, so if I have this wrong, I apologize, but they showed Kyler Murray toss an interception, then the camera cut to him and he was literally pouting like a baby, waving his arms up and down like a petulant child rather than going after the DB and finishing the play. I really am starting to not like him as a leader and a quarterback. Sure, he's a gifted athlete, but history is LITTERED with gifted athletes who went nowhere because of their attitude. He's encroaching on Cam Newton territory now. (And in case anyone cares, I don't like ANY player that consistently whines and complains and makes it about them EVEN DURING A LIVE PLAY; I only single out Murray because many people had them as locks for the Super Bowl. I'm not really counting sideline stuff, although I'm not really a fan of that either.)
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That Tyler Huntley kid deserves to be a starter somewhere. Seen a couple of games with him and he seems legit.
I cant' decide; I had the game on while I was cooking, so keep that in mind, but I'd look up and he's doing something amazing, and then I'd look up and he's doing something stupid. I'm sure with regular reps he will be more consistent, and even the announcers (I forget who they were) said "he was auditioning". So you're probably right. But on that 2pt play, he threw into triple coverage to his money guy, but Marquis Brown was WIDE OPEN cutting across the back of the endzone.
Also, it was a highlight, so if I have this wrong, I apologize, but they showed Kyler Murray toss an interception, then the camera cut to him and he was literally pouting like a baby, waving his arms up and down like a petulant child rather than going after the DB and finishing the play. I really am starting to not like him as a leader and a quarterback. Sure, he's a gifted athlete, but history is LITTERED with gifted athletes who went nowhere because of their attitude. He's encroaching on Cam Newton territory now. (And in case anyone cares, I don't like ANY player that consistently whines and complains and makes it about them EVEN DURING A LIVE PLAY; I only single out Murray because many people had them as locks for the Super Bowl. I'm not really counting sideline stuff, although I'm not really a fan of that either.)
1) I agree that Huntley forced that throw but in addition, that left side part of the end-zone was wide open. If Huntley didn't stare down that receiver, he could have run in for the score.
2) In Kyler's defense, the week before he threw an interception and was really involved in the tackling of the DB by either helping to tackle or slowing him down so others could make the tackle. I nearly posted that, that play was the anti-Teddy Bridgewater, but I don't want to rag on Bridgewater because of that injury he took yesterday.
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Also, it was a highlight, so if I have this wrong, I apologize, but they showed Kyler Murray toss an interception, then the camera cut to him and he was literally pouting like a baby, waving his arms up and down like a petulant child rather than going after the DB and finishing the play.
Sounds like TB12 after that late INT last night, although I didn't see Murray yell, "go f yourself," at a coach on other team like Brady did. TB12 classy as always.
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Feel bad for Chris Godwin, out with an ACL tear. That hit looked brutal.
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Also, it was a highlight, so if I have this wrong, I apologize, but they showed Kyler Murray toss an interception, then the camera cut to him and he was literally pouting like a baby, waving his arms up and down like a petulant child rather than going after the DB and finishing the play.
Sounds like TB12 after that late INT last night, although I didn't see Murray yell, "go f yourself," at a coach on other team like Brady did. TB12 classy as always.
Brady may be the GOAT, but he’s also notorious for being a sore loser. It doesn’t get talked about that much anymore now that his legacy is firmly cemented, but when he has a bad play or his team loses a big game, TB12 can always be seen moping, pouting, or cursing someone out.
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Also, it was a highlight, so if I have this wrong, I apologize, but they showed Kyler Murray toss an interception, then the camera cut to him and he was literally pouting like a baby, waving his arms up and down like a petulant child rather than going after the DB and finishing the play.
Sounds like TB12 after that late INT last night, although I didn't see Murray yell, "go f yourself," at a coach on other team like Brady did. TB12 classy as always.
Brady may be the GOAT, but he’s also notorious for being a sore loser. It doesn’t get talked about that much anymore now that his legacy is firmly cemented, but when he has a bad play or his team loses a big game, TB12 can always be seen moping, pouting, or cursing someone out.
Yeah, I was in a hurry when I typed that earlier, so it might have been a bit blunt, but he has reached the Michael Jordan territory that he is so widely acknowledged as the GOAT of his sport that most do not care anymore that he is kind of a jerk and any bad behavior gets ignored or laughed off. Too bad cause he seemed like a good guy for all of those years, one that many just disliked because they were tired of the Patriots always winning (and the cheating scandals didn't help :lol), but he has really shown himself to be a jackass of the highest order in the last two years.
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Also, it was a highlight, so if I have this wrong, I apologize, but they showed Kyler Murray toss an interception, then the camera cut to him and he was literally pouting like a baby, waving his arms up and down like a petulant child rather than going after the DB and finishing the play.
Sounds like TB12 after that late INT last night, although I didn't see Murray yell, "go f yourself," at a coach on other team like Brady did. TB12 classy as always.
Brady may be the GOAT, but he’s also notorious for being a sore loser. It doesn’t get talked about that much anymore now that his legacy is firmly cemented, but when he has a bad play or his team loses a big game, TB12 can always be seen moping, pouting, or cursing someone out.
Yeah, I was in a hurry when I typed that earlier, so it might have been a bit blunt, but he has reached the Michael Jordan territory that he is so widely acknowledged as the GOAT of his sport that most do not care anymore that he is kind of a jerk and any bad behavior gets ignored or laughed off. Too bad cause he seemed like a good guy for all of those years, one that many just disliked because they were tired of the Patriots always winning (and the cheating scandals didn't help :lol), but he has really shown himself to be a jackass of the highest order in the last two years.
There's a difference, though. I'm not criticizing Murray for bad behavior. I'm criticizing him for quitting on his team, more or less. There are a lot of good and bad things to say about Brady, but "quitting on his team" isn't in that universe. If Murray tackled the DB - or at least made the effort - and went to the sidelines and destroyed a bench, or punched the water boy, that's different. He was ON THE FIELD while the other team was advancing the ball, in his own world. The game before, he was ON THE FIELD, while the clock was running down on his team, in his own world.
Maybe this is a case of "winning solves all your problems" and I make no bones about winning being the number one priority in my evaluation of a player (Dan Marino is in Murray category, not Brady's, though Ben Roethlisberger is with Brady). I don't need my players to be saints, or beautiful people, I need them to play full on for 60+ minutes, and leave it all on the field. Though having said that, when you DO get a special person - I put Kurt Warner in that group - it's really a refreshing thing.
EDIT: And I bet if you asked other players, who would you rather play WITH, a Brady, who is giving everything he has for you, even if it isn't pretty, or a guy that throws his hands up in the air when there's an INT, and I think the answer is clear. On that note, anyone else pissed at the three Cleveland DBs that watched Moreau scamper up the sideline with 0:29 seconds to go and go out of bounds instead of laying into him? He gets tackled in bounds, Browns win (they would have had time for only one play, and it would have to have been a hail Mary or a 67 yard field goal attempt). Instead, they all three made a "business decision" (not sacrificing their body) and as a result, they are likely out of the playoffs, and Derek Carr is a hero.
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Speaking of Brady, he was speaking about about hits on players knees - that's good. Funny thing is, the Bucs ended Jamies Winston's season (and possibly career) after a hit at the knees and all they got was a $6600 fine and 15 yard penalty. Worked out pretty good for the Bucs. If they meet in the playoffs no way Taysom Hill beats them a third time. I don't recall TB12 speaking out about hits on the knees when Winston went out. :justjen
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Speaking of Brady, he was speaking about about hits on players knees - that's good. Funny thing is, the Bucs ended Jamies Winston's season (and possibly career) after a hit at the knees and all they got was a $6600 fine and 15 yard penalty. Worked out pretty good for the Bucs. If they meet in the playoffs no way Taysom Hill beats them a third time. I don't recall TB12 speaking out about hits on the knees when Winston went out. :justjen
Again, he's talking about how everyone else is protected from knee hits except receivers.
"You can't hit anyone in the knees anymore except for receivers. Which doesn't make any sense to me," Brady said. "You can't hit a defensive lineman in the knees, you can't hit a punter in the knees, you can't hit a quarterback in the knees, you can't hit a DB in the knees except for allowing hits on defenseless receivers. It needs to be addressed and really thought out."
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10021695-bucs-tom-brady-talks-chris-godwin-injury-nfl-needs-to-address-hits-to-wrs-knees
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Okay, so then what are DBs supposed to do? They can't hit them high or else they get flagged, and even going for center mass doesn't always work out because you can aim for it and all it takes is a receiver lowering his helmet in anticipation of the contact and their helmets grazing and out comes the flag for a personal foul. DBs are in a no win situation. Going low is their best way to avoid getting flagged. If the NFL takes that away, might be as well just make it touch football.
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There's a difference, though. I'm not criticizing Murray for bad behavior. I'm criticizing him for quitting on his team, more or less. There are a lot of good and bad things to say about Brady, but "quitting on his team" isn't in that universe. If Murray tackled the DB - or at least made the effort - and went to the sidelines and destroyed a bench, or punched the water boy, that's different. He was ON THE FIELD while the other team was advancing the ball, in his own world. The game before, he was ON THE FIELD, while the clock was running down on his team, in his own world.
Maybe this is a case of "winning solves all your problems" and I make no bones about winning being the number one priority in my evaluation of a player (Dan Marino is in Murray category, not Brady's, though Ben Roethlisberger is with Brady). I don't need my players to be saints, or beautiful people, I need them to play full on for 60+ minutes, and leave it all on the field. Though having said that, when you DO get a special person - I put Kurt Warner in that group - it's really a refreshing thing.
EDIT: And I bet if you asked other players, who would you rather play WITH, a Brady, who is giving everything he has for you, even if it isn't pretty, or a guy that throws his hands up in the air when there's an INT, and I think the answer is clear. On that note, anyone else pissed at the three Cleveland DBs that watched Moreau scamper up the sideline with 0:29 seconds to go and go out of bounds instead of laying into him? He gets tackled in bounds, Browns win (they would have had time for only one play, and it would have to have been a hail Mary or a 67 yard field goal attempt). Instead, they all three made a "business decision" (not sacrificing their body) and as a result, they are likely out of the playoffs, and Derek Carr is a hero.
I get all of this, but I think it is worth noting that while no one would ever say Brady quit on a team, he sure wasn't "all in" with the Patriots in 2019, and I think even Joe has kind of said that. He looked like a guy who was ready to get the hell out of Boston.
I didn't see the Murray play (or the Vegas/Cle game last night), but it seems like more people are okay with QBs going soft on runbacks. I was vocal about my disgust with Bridgewater last month, yet more than a few notable national media peeps were perfectly fine with it because they "don't want their QB getting hurt on a tackle when that is not what we pay him to do."
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Okay, so then what are DBs supposed to do? They can't hit them high or else they get flagged, and even going for center mass doesn't always work out because you can aim for it and all it takes is a receiver lowering his helmet in anticipation of the contact and their helmets grazing and out comes the flag for a personal foul. DBs are in a no win situation. Going low is their best way to avoid getting flagged. If the NFL takes that away, might be as well just make it touch football.
I'm with you on that. Even when you tackle waist high, don't tackle him too hard. Their defenseless.......
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Godwin, Fournette, DL Connor and LB LaVonte David all on IR for the Bucs. They're signing RB Bell, Evans is week to week. Hopefully should be ready for the playoffs. This really really sucks.
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Seattle got completely screwed on that non-call. That’s literally the type of thing we were just talking about. And not only that, but the officials call that all the time. Sometimes even when it’s iffy…which that was NOT!
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It's hard to believe NFL officials would blow what appears to be an easy call. You can almost set your watch to it now. Not watching the game, but saw it on Twitter. Just awful.
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There's a difference, though. I'm not criticizing Murray for bad behavior. I'm criticizing him for quitting on his team, more or less. There are a lot of good and bad things to say about Brady, but "quitting on his team" isn't in that universe. If Murray tackled the DB - or at least made the effort - and went to the sidelines and destroyed a bench, or punched the water boy, that's different. He was ON THE FIELD while the other team was advancing the ball, in his own world. The game before, he was ON THE FIELD, while the clock was running down on his team, in his own world.
Maybe this is a case of "winning solves all your problems" and I make no bones about winning being the number one priority in my evaluation of a player (Dan Marino is in Murray category, not Brady's, though Ben Roethlisberger is with Brady). I don't need my players to be saints, or beautiful people, I need them to play full on for 60+ minutes, and leave it all on the field. Though having said that, when you DO get a special person - I put Kurt Warner in that group - it's really a refreshing thing.
EDIT: And I bet if you asked other players, who would you rather play WITH, a Brady, who is giving everything he has for you, even if it isn't pretty, or a guy that throws his hands up in the air when there's an INT, and I think the answer is clear. On that note, anyone else pissed at the three Cleveland DBs that watched Moreau scamper up the sideline with 0:29 seconds to go and go out of bounds instead of laying into him? He gets tackled in bounds, Browns win (they would have had time for only one play, and it would have to have been a hail Mary or a 67 yard field goal attempt). Instead, they all three made a "business decision" (not sacrificing their body) and as a result, they are likely out of the playoffs, and Derek Carr is a hero.
I get all of this, but I think it is worth noting that while no one would ever say Brady quit on a team, he sure wasn't "all in" with the Patriots in 2019, and I think even Joe has kind of said that. He looked like a guy who was ready to get the hell out of Boston.
I didn't see the Murray play (or the Vegas/Cle game last night), but it seems like more people are okay with QBs going soft on runbacks. I was vocal about my disgust with Bridgewater last month, yet more than a few notable national media peeps were perfectly fine with it because they "don't want their QB getting hurt on a tackle when that is not what we pay him to do."
I get that; and maybe there's a middle ground. I'm not sure I want my QB dropping his shoulder and laying a Ronnie Lott on a runback either. But standing there pouting while your teammates are? No thanks.
By the way, I just noticed: COOL AVATAR. Big C&H fan, and always have been. Bill Watterson is sort of the Beatles of comics. Or maybe the John Deacon (though John Deacon wasn't the best in his field). Did his thing and walked away and meant it.
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Seattle got completely screwed on that non-call. That’s literally the type of thing we were just talking about. And not only that, but the officials call that all the time. Sometimes even when it’s iffy…which that was NOT!
And Seahawks haters call the Seahawks "cheaters" and they get the no-calls. Sure ain't workin this year! ::)
Looks like the refs are on the Rams' side again, just like against the Saints. At least I got them when the Seahawks fail. LA vs LA in LA SB is still possible! :metal
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Seattle got completely screwed on that non-call. That’s literally the type of thing we were just talking about. And not only that, but the officials call that all the time. Sometimes even when it’s iffy…which that was NOT!
And Seahawks haters call the Seahawks "cheaters" and they get the no-calls. Sure ain't workin this year! ::)
Looks like the refs are on the Rams' side again, just like against the Saints. At least I got them when the Seahawks fail. LA vs LA in LA SB is still possible! :metal
The Chargers have to be able to get past the Chiefs and Patriots. I love the Bolts, but I just don’t see them making it this year. The Rams on the other hand are absolutely a Super Bowl favorite.
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I'm torn; I don't like the Rams. I don't like McVay, I don't like Cupp, I don't like OBJ... I like Donald, but I'd really like if Matthew Stafford had a bit of success. He's better than his teams' records indicate.
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I'm torn; I don't like the Rams. I don't like McVay, I don't like Cupp, I don't like OBJ... I like Donald, but I'd really like if Matthew Stafford had a bit of success. He's better than his teams' records indicate.
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;D
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Seattle got completely screwed on that non-call.
Just saw it. I have zero problem with a call like that going against Seattle.
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By the way, I just noticed: COOL AVATAR. Big C&H fan, and always have been. Bill Watterson is sort of the Beatles of comics. Or maybe the John Deacon (though John Deacon wasn't the best in his field). Did his thing and walked away and meant it.
Hell yeah, thanks! I remember my younger brother having a book that was like the best of C&H and he brought it one year on a family vacation when we were teenagers and I swear we spent half of the drive just laughing in the back seat while perusing through it. Good times. :hat :hat
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I'm torn; I don't like the Rams. I don't like McVay, I don't like Cupp, I don't like OBJ... I like Donald, but I'd really like if Matthew Stafford had a bit of success. He's better than his teams' records indicate.
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Oh my. I bet a hot coffee that Jingle took a screen shot of THAT! :)
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Given how atrocious NFL officiating has been this year, I supposed it was fitting that the Christmas afternoon game featured them at their worst. The Packers should be sending the officials who worked that game a gift basket.
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Given how atrocious NFL officiating has been this year, I supposed it was fitting that the Christmas afternoon game featured them at their worst. The Packers should be sending the officials who worked that game a gift basket.
That missed PI call on Baker’s last INT was pathetic.
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Buffalo just got a pretty generous gift from the refs. They're lucky it was so close to the end of the half, as there was a good chance of them completely losing control of the game.
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That was a bad call fir sure El Barto.
Though, 2 weeks in a row the Pats have allowed teams to out physical them.
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I feel like the Pats thought it was a 4:00pm kickoff and were notified at 12:45 that the game actually started at 1:00.
They are simply not ready for the next level.
All of the chest beating after the first Buffalo game was way too premature.
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Again the refs with a terrible call on Andrews.
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Again the refs with a terrible call on Andrews.
Agreed, but Andrews can't make himself vulnerable like that. Sorry, but that's on him.
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They never call those Tim. Unless something physical happens. Lucky for us, it didn't cost the Pats.
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They never call those Tim. Unless something physical happens. Lucky for us, it didn't cost the Pats.
I know they never call those, but he needs to be smarter.
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I agree but they always do that when a QB is roughed up.
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Bills took it to the Pats. They came with attitude and the Pats didn't natch it or their intensity.
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Gee, you might say they..um..dominated them.
The Pats secondary was fucking atrocious.
I just think the Pats aren't ready. They've had a good year, and seemed to have hit on the QB. I suspect they'll be much better this time next year.
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Bryant got torched today. Obviously, the Bills were targeting him.
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Again the refs with a terrible call on Andrews.
Agreed, but Andrews can't make himself vulnerable like that. Sorry, but that's on him.
I actually thought they may call Carmello for pushing back. It's always the retaliation that gets the flag. They called Andrews for taunting and ignored Carmello shoving him back didn't make much sense.
In the end it didn't matter. NE couldn't stop the passing game. That's the second game in a row where they desperately needed a DB to step up and none of them did. An INT makes that a very different game.
Gee, you might say they..um..dominated them.
Their receivers certainly dominated NE's secondary, that's for damn sure.
edit: Also, McCorkle's accuracy was for shit today. Normally that boy's hitting receivers in the hands. He's been high and/or behind everybody today.
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Yeah, Bart, I expected Andrews' penalty to get offset, so they'd let the original penalty stand.
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Bills got pressure all day and that hurt Mac's accuracy today.
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A Pats loss and a Jets win makes for a good day, special shout of to the Panthers for enhancing the schadenfreude angle.
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A Pats loss and a Jets win makes for a good day, special shout of to the Panthers for enhancing the schadenfreude angle.
Today was the happiest I felt watching football all year.
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Aquib Talib can call any game I watch. :lol
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Aquib Talib can call any game I watch. :lol
I love listening to him talking. :lol
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Aquib Talib can call any game I watch. :lol
I love listening to him talking. :lol
Can't understand half of it, but I know it's good.
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Seattle imploding with magnificence this year. The were a wild-card team at best, and lost Wilson for a few games, but good lord this ship is slowly taking on water and can't figure out where the leak is.
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Aquib Talib can call any game I watch. :lol
I love listening to him talking. :lol
Can't understand half of it, but I know it's good.
It's like listening to jive talk on Airplane, the Movie. I'm enthralled. Lol
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Aquib Talib can call any game I watch. :lol
I love listening to him talking. :lol
Can't understand half of it, but I know it's good.
It's like listening to jive talk on Airplane, the Movie. I'm enthralled. Lol
It's like reading your posts on DTF. :P :P :P
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:lol
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Nick Wright is gonna be out of breath here soon from all of the victory laps he is taking after Mac Jones shit the bed the last two weeks. :lol
(TAC: Who?)
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Oh, and did anyone else see the clip from the Hoodie's presser where a reporter actually asked him if he had any New Year's resolutions? :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
In what world is that reporter living where asking Bill Belichick that is a good idea? :lol :lol :lol
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The Cowboys broke the WFT.
A complete and badass game by all three phases! :metal
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Nick Wright is gonna be out of breath here soon from all of the victory laps he is taking after Mac Jones shit the bed the last two weeks. :lol
(TAC: Who?)
He's tweeted so many times about Mac. :lol
Oh, and did anyone else see the clip from the Hoodie's presser where a reporter actually asked him if he had any New Year's resolutions? :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
In what world is that reporter living where asking Bill Belichick that is a good idea? :lol :lol :lol
To kill all reporters I'd bet. :lol
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I watched that press conference with Belichick, he sounds like he's down with a terrible cold or something.
Bucs clinch division title after 14 years. weird how long it's been. It's around the time I started watching the NFL and even attended a playoff game way back then. I'm really hoping Shaq Barrett is not out for a long time, if he's out of the playoffs it's really going to hamper that Defense.
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Yea I loved Talib on the mic too. Not for big games, but great for low level games like Jets/Jaguars.
Chargers should have been an easy win. :facepalm: At least one of my teams is still good. Go Rams!!!
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I heard Talib call a game a couple of months ago, and I was shocked a network put him on the air. I can see how he might be amusing in a silly, non serious sort of way--like the Mannings. If I hear him again I'll pay more attention. Generally, though, I'm not a fan of the normalizing of shitty speaking skills. I don't expect announcers to speak the Queen's; that would be just as silly. I would prefer, at the very least, to have the fundamentals down, though. Like, basic 8th grade level stuff. Subject verb agreement. That sort of thing.
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Yesterday was a sad day for me, for the first time since becoming a Steeler fan at age 12 in 1980 I had to root against my team - they’re going nowhere this year and I want KC to keep the #1 seed. :-\
MVP still wide open, Rodgers probably a slight favorite.
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Oh, and did anyone else see the clip from the Hoodie's presser where a reporter actually asked him if he had any New Year's resolutions? :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPipUGo9WIc
Ya think she gets skipped over next time? I know I would put someone else in her place if I was that company's manager. :facepalm:
My wife and I just shook our heads after seeing it yesterday. I could see a Baltimore reporter that is familiar to Harbaugh asking John that question.....after asking a real question first, and..... well, duh, a victory.
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Nick Foles has really got ice in his veins doesn't he?
Best win% in 4QC/GWD opportunities, active QBs (min. 20 games)
1. Tom Brady 67-50 (.573)
2. Patrick Mahomes 11-10 (.524)
3. NICK FOLES 15-15 (.500)
4. Ben Roethlisberger 57-58-1 (.496)
5. Dak Prescott 18-19 (.486)
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Oh, and did anyone else see the clip from the Hoodie's presser where a reporter actually asked him if he had any New Year's resolutions? :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPipUGo9WIc
Ya think she gets skipped over next time? I know I would put someone else in her place if I was that company's manager. :facepalm:
It wouldn't surprise me if she was ordered by her boss to ask that.
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Yesterday was a sad day for me, for the first time since becoming a Steeler fan at age 12 in 1980 I had to root against my team - they’re going nowhere this year and I want KC to keep the #1 seed. :-\
MVP still wide open, Rodgers probably a slight favorite.
Sorry, boss, this is not "wide open". They are already engraving "Rodgers" on the trophy. Who is even close to that?
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I think Jonathan Taylor is in the mix of the conversation too. There was some info released a week or so back about the internal polling by whatever body votes. Rodgers was the leader, JT wasn't that far behind and the next two games depending on how it goes I would not be surprised if he's picked.
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If Taylor has 2 very good games and the Colts win out, he has a chance. He's 250 yards away from 2000 which will help his cause.
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I still wouldn't underestimate the pettiness of a bunch of voters. Remember that it's the media who votes, and there are bound to be many who are pissed at Rodgers for lying to them about the COVID stuff, and they are not above not voting for him out of spite, even if he should be the clear cut winner.
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I still wouldn't underestimate the pettiness of a bunch of voters. Remember that it's the media who votes, and there are bound to be many who are pissed at Rodgers for lying to them about the COVID stuff, and they are not above not voting for him out of spite, even if he should be the clear cut winner.
I didn't even take that into account but for sure some with use that as a reason not to vote for him.
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Kirk Cousins to the Covid list. Oh, his backup too. They are down to either a rookie or a dude they signed 2 days ago. Nice timing. I guess he wasn't walking around with plexiglass walls around him like he mentioned he might do.
I have one question I would love to ask him:
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What a clown, and totally on-brand for the perennial also-ran Vikings. :lol
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RIP to former player and coach Dan Reeves. Four SB losses, .... but he got to four. Schottenheimer would have loved to have gone to two of those.
I did not know he was a QB at South Carolina. I do remember this pass in the 'Ice Bowl' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rF8297IrE8
And I do remember this pass through hands in SB V, intercepted by Mike Curtis, that led to Jim O'Brien's game winning FG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwaTLSZz7w8 (22:20 mark)
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I wonder who's more miserable today, Trevor Lawrence or N'Keal Harry. One has a career ahead of him, but it's looking kind of dismal. The other is watching career explode all over Foxboro, but it's been a mostly enjoyable one.
edit: Also, go Falcons!
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Holy shit Antonio Brown. Dude is certifiably insane.
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I wonder who's more miserable today, Trevor Lawrence or N'Keal Harry. One has a career ahead of him, but it's looking kind of dismal. The other is watching career explode all over Foxboro, but it's been a mostly enjoyable one.
edit: Also, go Falcons!
Harry must still be waiting for that trade request to be granted.
Glad to see Wilkerson have a good game, though he dropped that bomb. He really stood out to me in preseason.
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I am not joking when I say this: the league needs to levy a huge fine against both the Bucs organization and Brown for him taking off his shirt and throwing into the crowd. We are dealing with a pandemic, with the new variant highly contagious, and what he did is very dangerous.
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Now that's how you quit and how you show the world you're fed up with things inside the Football Organization.
Now we ask, what has led AB to act out in this form, especially during a live football game? There's many reasons as well, is he fed up with the organization, the team, or even the Covid policies in place that is making it tough on the players as they have to constantly adapt their plays and their routines to somehow work with what they have. Guaranteed that has to be frustrating on the players whom love that connection and do not have that with the backups and thus it affects their gameplay?
Pandemic or not, no one can control human emotions when the frustration reaches this boiling point. Everyone reacts differently and most people say fuck it, and will leave in fascinating ways due to the frustration.
I will say....This is one entertaining season of football due to the pandemic and the Leagues institutions of its Covid Protocols and it's effects it's having on The League itself. We are witnessing this and it's fascinating to me to see what the outcome will be.
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I am not joking when I say this: the league needs to levy a huge fine against both the Bucs organization and Brown for him taking off his shirt and throwing into the crowd. We are dealing with a pandemic, with the new variant highly contagious, and what he did is very dangerous.
Nah, c'mon man.
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I am not joking when I say this: the league needs to levy a huge fine against both the Bucs organization and Brown for him taking off his shirt and throwing into the crowd. We are dealing with a pandemic, with the new variant highly contagious, and what he did is very dangerous.
No. He just put the Scarlet A on him. He's toast.
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I am not joking when I say this: the league needs to levy a huge fine against both the Bucs organization and Brown for him taking off his shirt and throwing into the crowd. We are dealing with a pandemic, with the new variant highly contagious, and what he did is very dangerous.
No. He just put the Scarlet A on him. He's toast.
A for Antonio?
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I am not joking when I say this: the league needs to levy a huge fine against both the Bucs organization and Brown for him taking off his shirt and throwing into the crowd. We are dealing with a pandemic, with the new variant highly contagious, and what he did is very dangerous.
No. He just put the Scarlet A on him. He's toast.
Do you think a person who actually did that during a Live football game actually cares about that?
A person that does that knows darn well what they're doing.
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I am not joking when I say this: the league needs to levy a huge fine against both the Bucs organization and Brown for him taking off his shirt and throwing into the crowd. We are dealing with a pandemic, with the new variant highly contagious, and what he did is very dangerous.
No. He just put the Scarlet A on him. He's toast.
Maybe. Depends on whether or not TB12 gives his permission to cut him.
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Well Brady did his thing. Can't even be mad about it.
Jets put together mostly a nice game and punched way above their class. Very dumb play calling at the end and shouldn't have dared Brady to do what he does best.
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I don't think his voice matters after that.
I can't believe Cincy went for it.
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I’m emotionally exhausted, but I’m not mad. The Jets just went toe-to-toe with the defending champion Buccaneers, a team led by their former arch-nemesis Tom Brady. Zach Wilson played mistake-free football, and Saleh’s decision to go for it on fourth down instead of kick the chip shot field goal, a decision that ultimately failed and set up Brady’s game winning drive, was the call of a coach who has confidence in his team. There’s still a lot of work to do, but today, even in defeat, the Jets looked like a team with a bright future.
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Run a play again and hurt your star QB. That Cincy game is nuts.
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Titans are now the 1 seed in the AFC if they win next week. And Henry could be back for the divisional round.
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Run a play again and hurt your star QB. That Cincy game is nuts.
You can't base that decision on the possibility that somebody gets hurt. That's just really shitty luck. I liked the decision on both plays, but didn't like the play call. That was sneak territory, and if you don't make it you've got them pinned on their own 1 inch line. Great ending, though.
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I get that but 30 seconds would be left to go 40 yards with 30 seconds left to tie the game. I know it's KC but you take that risk. He'll, they almost did not score with that similar scenario.
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I loved the Bengals going for it as well.
And Romo's commentary at the end was terrible. He thought Burrow was not trying hard to score on 1st and 2nd down. :lol :lol I guess that kind of end of game commentary gives us a window into why Romo always came up short at the end of close games.
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I am not joking when I say this: the league needs to levy a huge fine against both the Bucs organization and Brown for him taking off his shirt and throwing into the crowd. We are dealing with a pandemic, with the new variant highly contagious, and what he did is very dangerous.
No. He just put the Scarlet A on him. He's toast.
Maybe. Depends on whether or not TB12 gives his permission to cut him.
Arians has already announced that he is no longer part of the Bucs' organization.
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I get that but 30 seconds would be left to go 40 yards with 30 seconds left to tie the game. I know it's KC but you take that risk. He'll, they almost did not score with that similar scenario.
No, you definitely don't. You give them 5 fewer seconds to go 70 yards to win the game. Plus, the additional risk of having to start at the goal line, where a hold or any number of other things can result in game winning safety.
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I am not joking when I say this: the league needs to levy a huge fine against both the Bucs organization and Brown for him taking off his shirt and throwing into the crowd. We are dealing with a pandemic, with the new variant highly contagious, and what he did is very dangerous.
No. He just put the Scarlet A on him. He's toast.
Maybe. Depends on whether or not TB12 gives his permission to cut him.
Arians has already announced that he is no longer part of the Bucs' organization.
There's word that Arians benched him prior to the half which is when Brown went nuts. He was due for a huge bonus check if he hit certain number of snaps and yards today to the tune of $330,000. I wonder if it was a business decision to bench him and AB being AB did what diva's do best.
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I get that but 30 seconds would be left to go 40 yards with 30 seconds left to tie the game. I know it's KC but you take that risk. He'll, they almost did not score with that similar scenario.
No, you definitely don't. You give them 5 fewer seconds to go 70 yards to win the game. Plus, the additional risk of having to start at the goal line, where a hold or any number of other things can result in game winning safety.
If the Bengals don't score their can you envision KC making a big play? Idk, feels like they could. I'm just glad the Bengals won.
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I get that but 30 seconds would be left to go 40 yards with 30 seconds left to tie the game. I know it's KC but you take that risk. He'll, they almost did not score with that similar scenario.
No, you definitely don't. You give them 5 fewer seconds to go 70 yards to win the game. Plus, the additional risk of having to start at the goal line, where a hold or any number of other things can result in game winning safety.
If the Bengals don't score their can you envision KC making a big play? Idk, feels like they could. I'm just glad the Bengals won.
I thought they were gonna fuck up that snap with 2 seconds left. :lol
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I just don’t understand . . . all I read last year was now that AB was under His Supreme Leadership that, AB was a team player and not a diva, and those morons in Pittsburgh just didn’t know how to handle him? Confused.
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I guess we are all supposed to feel sorry for Antonio Brown because he needs help and blah, blah, blah, but he has been accused (among other things) of sexual assault and of throwing furniture from 14 stories up and nearly hitting a 1-year old. That guy gets zero sympathy from me. F that guy.
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I just don’t understand . . . all I read last year was now that AB was under His Supreme Leadership that, AB was a team player and not a diva, and those morons in Pittsburgh just didn’t know how to handle him? Confused.
When did Bruce Areans become His Supreme Leadership?
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I am not joking when I say this: the league needs to levy a huge fine against both the Bucs organization and Brown for him taking off his shirt and throwing into the crowd. We are dealing with a pandemic, with the new variant highly contagious, and what he did is very dangerous.
No. He just put the Scarlet A on him. He's toast.
Maybe. Depends on whether or not TB12 gives his permission to cut him.
Arians has already announced that he is no longer part of the Bucs' organization.
There's word that Arians benched him prior to the half which is when Brown went nuts. He was due for a huge bonus check if he hit certain number of snaps and yards today to the tune of $330,000. I wonder if it was a business decision to bench him and AB being AB did what diva's do best.
Arians is saying the exact opposite. Claims he tried twice to get AB to get into the game. After AB refused the second time he told him to GTFO, and AB obliged him. Apparently went straight to a police car and got dropped off at the airport (shirtless, I presume).
Also, I was mostly kidding about needing TB12's permission to cut him, but if BA kept one of his favorite receivers (and friend) out of a game to rook him out of some bonus money, Brady would have raised all sorts of hell about it. I can't imagine that would have gone over well.
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Maybe it’s just me. But I about died laughing.
David Spade just tweeted: “Guys. Antonio Brown is in my driveway. What do I do?”
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Actual footage of Antonio Brown leaving the stadium.
https://youtu.be/UU2SfvjYrXs
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I bet Jalen Hurts after he left FedEx Field today :neverusethis2:
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All four of my teams won today!!! And I may have three of them in the playoffs!!! :metal :metal :metal
And AB is still a bitch! :lol The real AB finally showed up. Glad he's not on my team.
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El Barto,
https://youtu.be/uxZN4VK5NoA
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I am not joking when I say this: the league needs to levy a huge fine against both the Bucs organization and Brown for him taking off his shirt and throwing into the crowd. We are dealing with a pandemic, with the new variant highly contagious, and what he did is very dangerous.
No. He just put the Scarlet A on him. He's toast.
Maybe. Depends on whether or not TB12 gives his permission to cut him.
Arians has already announced that he is no longer part of the Bucs' organization.
There's word that Arians benched him prior to the half which is when Brown went nuts. He was due for a huge bonus check if he hit certain number of snaps and yards today to the tune of $330,000. I wonder if it was a business decision to bench him and AB being AB did what diva's do best.
Arians is saying the exact opposite. Claims he tried twice to get AB to get into the game. After AB refused the second time he told him to GTFO, and AB obliged him. Apparently went straight to a police car and got dropped off at the airport (shirtless, I presume).
Also, I was mostly kidding about needing TB12's permission to cut him, but if BA kept one of his favorite receivers (and friend) out of a game to rook him out of some bonus money, Brady would have raised all sorts of hell about it. I can't imagine that would have gone over well.
I read that too after initial reports about AB being benched. Also read that in such incentive cases a deal is worked out and if it's close enough the team usually just pays up.
This is apparently AB waiting for a ride during the game still going on.
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Just a random thought. Tom Brady might be the GOAT, but he was talking all about how being on the same team goes “beyond the field“ and that there are friendships etc. etc.
And you can call me cynical if you like, but I just started to wonder if his statements were all a bunch of crap. I mean honestly. Do you imagine that the punter can just call up Brady on a moments notice and say “hey, how’s it going”?
I don’t know. Maybe I am out of line here. But I know that when Ken Griffey Jr. was playing for the Mariners, he was really close to a small circle of people on the starting lineup, but his entourage wouldn’t let anybody from the C-list bench anywhere near him. I’m kind of imagining the same scenario with Brady. And it just makes his words feel a bit empty.
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But I know that when Ken Griffey Jr. was playing for the Mariners, he was really close to a small circle of people on the starting lineup, but his entourage wouldn’t let anybody from the C-list bench anywhere near him.
Is this true? I've never heard that.
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But I know that when Ken Griffey Jr. was playing for the Mariners, he was really close to a small circle of people on the starting lineup, but his entourage wouldn’t let anybody from the C-list bench anywhere near him.
Is this true? I've never heard that.
Honestly, I don’t have a source. It was just usually the report among said C-list bench players.
“What’s it like being on the same team as Griffey?”
“LOL…like I can get anywhere NEAR Griffey.”
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But I know that when Ken Griffey Jr. was playing for the Mariners, he was really close to a small circle of people on the starting lineup, but his entourage wouldn’t let anybody from the C-list bench anywhere near him.
Is this true? I've never heard that.
Honestly, I don’t have a source. It was just usually the report among said C-list bench players.
“What’s it like being on the same team as Griffey?”
“LOL…like I can get anywhere NEAR Griffey.”
No, that's fine. I had just never heard that before.
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El Barto,
https://youtu.be/uxZN4VK5NoA
First and foremost, he spent 0.0 seconds DEFENDING Antonio Brown. Fucking clickbait.
Beyond that, that was absolutely perfect. He neither defended nor abandoned AB, and he encouraged everybody towards the support that he needs since bad things appear to be afoot. At least two members of his PR team creamed their knickers watching that. Couldn't have been done better.
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So looking at that Bucs/Jets game, on ESPN.com, at 0:39 in the 4th, the Jets had a 99.9% chance to win the game on the Win Probability chart. Don't follow this stuff, but I've never seen a team higher than whatever the Falcons were at in SB51 and lose (what was that, like 99.5%)?
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El Barto,
https://youtu.be/uxZN4VK5NoA
First and foremost, he spent 0.0 seconds DEFENDING Antonio Brown. Fucking clickbait.
Beyond that, that was absolutely perfect. He neither defended nor abandoned AB, and he encouraged everybody towards the support that he needs since bad things appear to be afoot. At least two members of his PR team creamed their knickers watching that. Couldn't have been done better.
I never said Tom was defending him. I thought you'd be interested in what Tom had to say if you hadn't seen it yet.
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El Barto,
https://youtu.be/uxZN4VK5NoA
First and foremost, he spent 0.0 seconds DEFENDING Antonio Brown. Fucking clickbait.
Beyond that, that was absolutely perfect. He neither defended nor abandoned AB, and he encouraged everybody towards the support that he needs since bad things appear to be afoot. At least two members of his PR team creamed their knickers watching that. Couldn't have been done better.
Agreed. Assholes everywhere saw that and are wishing they had friends as blindingly loyal as Tom Brady.
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He's had people trying to help him a lot. How he's treated people over these 2 plus years doesn't warrant helping him but people like Tom has. The damage is self inflicted.
Did any of you see him in the Uber when he left? It's like he didn't have a care in the world. Just absolutely crazy.
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I don't think his voice matters after that.
I can't believe Cincy went for it.
That was a great sequence. Went for it, got another chance, went for it AGAIN, then got a gift (the clock running down) and sealed the deal. I don't know much about Zac Taylor, but that dude has ice for blood and stones for testicles. I was putting together a desk for my kid and I just sat there mesmerized for the last 2:30 or so as the Bengals - for the first time since before Marvin Lewis - grabbed their destiny by the lapels and made it their bitch. I know, I know, it's just one game and it just gets them to the playoffs, but there hasn't been a big (fooball) game in Cincinnati for YEARS and they had some pressure and answered.
And having Jim Nantz do the game was just icing on the cake.
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I guess we are all supposed to feel sorry for Antonio Brown because he needs help and blah, blah, blah, but he has been accused (among other things) of sexual assault and of throwing furniture from 14 stories up and nearly hitting a 1-year old. That guy gets zero sympathy from me. F that guy.
I'm with you 100% on this. I know I sound like a Grumpy Old Man, but that's exactly what I am: I'm tired of giving chance after chance after chance to these veritable infants. Play the game, do your job and do it again next week. I feel like there was already tension in the clubhouse; he was asked a question last week that invited an answer that was complementary to Arians and he very obviously dodged it. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, frankly.
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I don't think his voice matters after that.
I can't believe Cincy went for it.
That was a great sequence. Went for it, got another chance, went for it AGAIN, then got a gift (the clock running down) and sealed the deal. I don't know much about Zac Taylor, but that dude has ice for blood and stones for testicles. I was putting together a desk for my kid and I just sat there mesmerized for the last 2:30 or so as the Bengals - for the first time since before Marvin Lewis - grabbed their destiny by the lapels and made it their bitch. I know, I know, it's just one game and it just gets them to the playoffs, but there hasn't been a big (fooball) game in Cincinnati for YEARS and they had some pressure and answered.
And having Jim Nantz do the game was just icing on the cake.
I have so many friend's text me at that point it was insane.
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El Barto,
https://youtu.be/uxZN4VK5NoA
First and foremost, he spent 0.0 seconds DEFENDING Antonio Brown. Fucking clickbait.
Beyond that, that was absolutely perfect. He neither defended nor abandoned AB, and he encouraged everybody towards the support that he needs since bad things appear to be afoot. At least two members of his PR team creamed their knickers watching that. Couldn't have been done better.
I never said Tom was defending him. I thought you'd be interested in what Tom had to say if you hadn't seen it yet.
Nah, I get that. It was the video that was titled "Tom Brady DEFENDS Antonio Brown," making it sound like a crime against humanity.
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Funny, I didn't even look who I used on Twitter. I was just looking for a shortened version so we wouldn't have to watch the 12 minute interview. Looking back, how good of a job did Tomlin do keeping him under wraps until that last season.
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El Barto,
https://youtu.be/uxZN4VK5NoA
First and foremost, he spent 0.0 seconds DEFENDING Antonio Brown. Fucking clickbait.
Beyond that, that was absolutely perfect. He neither defended nor abandoned AB, and he encouraged everybody towards the support that he needs since bad things appear to be afoot. At least two members of his PR team creamed their knickers watching that. Couldn't have been done better.
Agreed. That was a pro handling a difficult situation like, well, a pro.
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I ended up winning my fantasy league thanks to Amon Ra St. Brown.
Just like I drew it up.
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Interesting scenario for the playoff picture next week in the NFC.
If the Rams win, they are the 2 seed. The 49ers would then miss the playoffs if the Saints win as well.
If the Rams lose and the Cardinals win, Arizona wins the division and gets the 3 seed (assuming TB wins as well) and the Rams fall to the 5 seed. Time for McVay to put up or shut up. They have paid for some big time talent including Stafford, and if they lose to the 49ers again and end up as a wild card, that will be a really bad look for McVay.
And in the AFC, if Burrow's knee is gimpy at all next week, do the Bengals rest him and lose the game and risk falling to the 4 seed? That likely gets them NE in Round 1, as the Patriots would get the 5 seed with a win (unless Buffalo loses, in which case NE would then win the division).
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I almost enjoy breaking down NFL playoff scenarios more than I actually enjoy watching football. The "Playoff Machine" on ESPN's website is awesome!
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Yeah the playoff generator is a fun tool. The seeding is interesting for sure, I too was playing around with it and noticed how the Rams can end up at 2 or 5. If the Saints somehow make it, I don't think a rematch with the Bucs is happening. In any case my gut tells me the Bucs are most likely a one and done team in the playoffs. I really hope I'm wrong.
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Unless there are tons of upsets, Bucs vs Eagles seems like a sure thing in the 1st round. If the Bucs end up the 2 seed, I believe the scenarios that allow that to play out would land the Eagles as the 7 seed, and if the Bucs end up the 3, I think the Eagles end up as the 6. That is what I saw, but again I am not factoring in a bunch of upsets.
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Goodell should expel AB from the league. Football is a team sport and AB isn’t a team player. He’s been that way with 4 teams. Seems like a no brainer.
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Goodell should expel AB from the league. Football is a team sport and AB isn’t a team player. He’s been that way with 4 teams. Seems like a no brainer.
Probably not in Goodell's best interest to do that. The result will almost certainly be the same either way. No team is ever going to trust AB again. He'd stand a better chance of playing again if he changed his name to Ray Rice. Goodell would only be making a statement. Given what an ass-clown Rodger is, he's better off just keeping his mouth shut. Also, the NFL desperately needs to maintain the appearance of caring about mental health. I don't think throwing a player under the bus when he's clearly gone off his nut projects the image they're looking for. I reckon this is a situation where you let the free market settle your problem for you.
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Agreed, Barto. Not to mention that the union would make it difficult for Goodell to get away with that. Best for the Bucs to figure out the best way to cut him loose and let him float away into NFL non-existence.
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Goodell should expel AB from the league. Football is a team sport and AB isn’t a team player. He’s been that way with 4 teams. Seems like a no brainer.
Probably not in Goodell's best interest to do that. The result will almost certainly be the same either way. No team is ever going to trust AB again. He'd stand a better chance of playing again if he changed his name to Ray Rice. Goodell would only be making a statement. Given what an ass-clown Rodger is, he's better off just keeping his mouth shut. Also, the NFL desperately needs to maintain the appearance of caring about mental health. I don't think throwing a player under the bus when he's clearly gone off his nut projects the image they're looking for. I reckon this is a situation where you let the free market settle your problem for you.
He was on Peyton and Eli's show last night, and man, he really IS an ass-clown. That never really sunk in with me on a day-to-day basis before. I definitely thought so with some of his (arbitrary) decisions, but he's got almost no charisma, or apparent "feel" for the room. He might as well be a politician for how smarmy and slimy he comes off as.
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I didn't realize the Manning brothers were back until the last quarter when Aaron Rodgers came on, that segment was great. It was fun that they didn't talk about the game at all until the very end.
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I know some get aggravated that QBs always win the MVP now, but they are so much more valuable than RBs now that it is absurd.
Look at the top 5 rushers:
J Taylor - amazing season, but his team is 9-7 and needs to win in Week 18 to make the playoffs
J Mixon - team will win their division
N Chubb - team is 7-9
N Harris - team is 8-7-1 and they have almost no chance at the playoffs
D Cook - team is 7-9
Look at the top 5 QBs according to QBR:
A Rodgers - team is 13-3 and clinched the 1 seed in the NFC
T Brady - team is 12-4 and has clinched their division and will be the 2 or 3 seed in the NFC
J Herbert - team is 9-7 and needs to win in Week 18 to make the playoffs
M Stafford - team is 12-4 and a win away from the 2 seed in the NFC
P Mahomes - team is 11-5 and a win away from the 2 seed in the AFC (and a big upset away from the 1 seed)
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And look at what happens when the marquee names go down. There is a dearth of high-level, quality quarterbacking in the NFL right now, and frankly, I am of the opinion that Sean Payton has it right as rain down in New Orleans: the ability to be a physical quarterback is only a complement to a player that can throw the ball accurately and consistently. Too many guys are flaming out with that bootleg, college style of run and run and (occasionally) gun playing quarterback. Murray was hurt this year, Dak missed an entire season, Lamar can't stay on the field, Hill missed time, Daniel Jones missed time... the NFL isn't the NBA. A successful running team needs 11 guys all pulling in the same direction; the free-wheeling, Cam Newton getting outside and just winging it is a play-by-play thing, but cannot and shouldn't be a season-long game strategy.
As for running backs, I'm with Kev. The Giants have Barkley and that hasn't been the difference maker. There are other backs in the league that are in a similar situation. I'm of the opinion, being a life-long Giants and Patriots fan, that a great RUNNING GAME is not the same thing as a great RUNNING BACK. Name the marquee running backs in that great Patriots run? Corey Dillon? Kevin Faulk is/was a great player, but not a quintessentially great RUNNING BACK. What has Le'veon Bell actually won in the NFL?
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Well it was a great, bittersweet night in Pittsburgh. Awesome emotional sendoff. There is no good QB plan going forward so good luck trying to beat out Joe Burrow in that division for the next 10+ years. Of all the records and accomplishments by Ben, my favorite is probably the fact that he has 4 500-yd games, 2 more than anyone else, and the first 3 were wins against playoff teams with 0 interceptions. When he was on, he was as good as anyone who ever played. It's pretty well recognized that by either traditional or advanced stats, this was the best game ever played by an NFL QB:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9Acg0BX_R8
John Harbaugh is quoted as saying Ben "is hands down the toughest competitor I've ever faced". Leads the league in 4th quarter comebacks/game-winning drives in his first AND final seasons. No losing seasons. Only started 2 games in his career when the team was eliminated from contention.
Rodgers sowed up the MVP. Do you realize that because he is so spectacular and efficient, it has taken him 168 fewer pass attempts than Brady to sow up the #1 seed while having only 1 guy (Adams) who could make the Bucs' all-star team? Not hating on Brady here, but he has become a little bit of a stat whore. Several games of 50+ attempts in games where the Bucs never trail or have big leads. Certainly extremely impressive at his age of course but let's not pretend he's been better than Rodgers who isn't exactly young either.
Andy Reid demonstrated why he never has been or will be one of the greatest coaches. His refusal to adjust when Chase kept burning single man coverage cost the Chiefs the #1 seed. A least Burrow after the game admitted they "got lucky with the calls" lol refs.
You can't make this stuff up, but the Jets ruined their impending upset of the Bucs when the OC called the wrong play in (see Saleh's comments). TJ Watt should finally win DPOY and hopefully gets sack record next week (without the opposing QB giving it to him on purpose like Favre did for Strahan ::).
Should be a wild and fun round of playoff games; there are about 8 teams who are good enough to win it all.
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I think a great running back is someone that can play at a high level for a long period of time. The days of Paytons and Sanders's are gone because the game has changed, but a strong run game is still massively important, and having one guy that can be that game week in and week out is a very nice asset. NE didn't have "great" running backs because they never stuck around that long. They had excellent running backs for seasons here and there, though. Hell, the day NE re-signed LeGarrette Blount I texted a friend and said pencil in NE for another Super Bowl because I knew he was the missing piece.
Ben's game last night was not what he wanted in a farewell, in fact it was butt ugly, but it was still nice to see. I never much liked the guy, but a great player that spends his entire career with one team and becomes the beloved face of the organization is a rarity these days. Hats off to the guy.
It's worth noting that Watt (along with a few others) are going to break records by virtue of the season being a game longer. His record will likely hold up a few years until the league goes to 18 game seasons, and then they'll change again. In my opinion, new season records are now somewhat meaningless. The quality records will be the ones that stand even against longer seasons. It's probably time we start looking at season records as ratios including the number of games. Let's see how long Eric Dickerson's 135.56 holds up. As far as I'm concerned, Watt's total to win is 1.41, not 22.5.
Andy Reid is indeed overrated. I've seen the guy make some great calls, the dude's got balls the size of small planets, but I've seen him blunder just as much. At the same time, being a coach is more than just the 3 hours you spend on the field come Sunday. Developing a culture. Getting the most out of your players and staff. Just as important. Looking at the big picture he's still at the elite level.
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Hell, the day NE re-signed LeGarrette Blount I texted a friend and said pencil in NE for another Super Bowl because I knew he was the missing piece.
That was always a bummer for me; he was the PERFECT back for the Patriots style offense, and had he been an Edelman, or Faulk, instead of an Amendola or Welker, he could have had a couple more rings.
Ben's game last night was not what he wanted in a farewell, in fact it was butt ugly, but it was still nice to see. I never much liked the guy, but a great player that spends his entire career with one team and becomes the beloved face of the organization is a rarity these days. Hats off to the guy.
I'm with you; not my favorite player, but you gotta respect what he's done and how he did it. I kind of wish there were more Ben Roethlisbergers in league. Gritty, get it done guys with little to no fanfare.
It's worth noting that Watt (along with a few others) are going to break records by virtue of the season being a game longer. His record will likely hold up a few years until the league goes to 18 game seasons, and then they'll change again. In my opinion, new season records are now somewhat meaningless. The quality records will be the ones that stand even against longer seasons. It's probably time we start looking at season records as ratios including the number of games. Let's see how long Eric Dickerson's 135.56 holds up. As far as I'm concerned, Watt's total to win is 1.41, not 22.5.
HAHA, Eli asked Goodell that point blank: "Coach*, did you purposefully change the season to 17 games just to wipe all of Peyton's recrods from the books that much faster?"
* That was a running joke as well; they had Bill Cowher on earlier, and Eli kept calling Goodell "Coach" instead of "Commisioner".
Andy Reid is indeed overrated. I've seen the guy make some great calls, the dude's got balls the size of small planets, but I've seen him blunder just as much. At the same time, being a coach is more than just the 3 hours you spend on the field come Sunday. Developing a culture. Getting the most out of your players and staff. Just as important. Looking at the big picture he's still at the elite level.
There was an interesting segment on ESPN radio the other day about that very idea: I think they were talking about McCarthy, but the idea was having a "game coach" do nothing but track time, timeouts, and situations to manage the game, in order to let the coach do other things. I mean, that's probably a level of specialization that some teams don't need, but there are coaches - and Reid is one of them - that have a long history of situational blunders and clock management missteps. Yeah, he is elite in the sense that he knows how to build an offense and stay competitive, but in his raw form, he's not a guy I'm necessarily hiring for my team.
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I originally read that as "cock management".
Just wanted to share.
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It could be; it depends on the team and the coach, I would imagine. ;) :) :)
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It could be; it depends on the team and the coach, I would imagine. ;) :) :)
I think Arians did a pretty good job managing a cock these last two seasons all things considered.
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It's worth noting that Watt (along with a few others) are going to break records by virtue of the season being a game longer. His record will likely hold up a few years until the league goes to 18 game seasons, and then they'll change again. In my opinion, new season records are now somewhat meaningless. The quality records will be the ones that stand even against longer seasons. It's probably time we start looking at season records as ratios including the number of games. Let's see how long Eric Dickerson's 135.56 holds up. As far as I'm concerned, Watt's total to win is 1.41, not 22.5.
I instantly went to Jim Brown's then record season of 1527 in 12 games. 127 yrds/game. In '63, he upped the record to 1863 yards in 14 games. 133 yrds/game. (btw, Walter Payton had 1852 in 14 games in '77). In '73, OJ had his 2003 yards in 14 games. 143 yrds/game. Eric has the rushing record for a season, with no asterisk (as with all records), so that is all that is important. That way, everyone can say you are seeing the greatest this and that, because numbers don't lie.
And recent passing and receiving records kind of put me to sleep. The restrictions on how DBs can defend, the hash marks, etc. As you said, it won't be long until they go to 18 games ( and probably two bye weeks), and the season will run past Valentine's Day. The only 'numbers' the Shield really cares about are $$$$$$
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As for running backs, I'm with Kev. The Giants have Barkley and that hasn't been the difference maker. There are other backs in the league that are in a similar situation. I'm of the opinion, being a life-long Giants and Patriots fan, that a great RUNNING GAME is not the same thing as a great RUNNING BACK. Name the marquee running backs in that great Patriots run? Corey Dillon? Kevin Faulk is/was a great player, but not a quintessentially great RUNNING BACK. What has Le'veon Bell actually won in the NFL?
Agreed about a running game. Look at all of the best RBs of the 21st century (whose primes were/are in this century). Almost none of them have actually won a ring since the turn of the century, except for Marshawn Lynch. If I had to make a list of what positions would be the most important if I were a GM and starting a team, not sure where RB would be, but it wouldn't be near the top. QB, LT, DE (edge rusher), CB, TE, C, RT, LB would all be ahead of RB.
Andy Reid is indeed overrated. I've seen the guy make some great calls, the dude's got balls the size of small planets, but I've seen him blunder just as much. At the same time, being a coach is more than just the 3 hours you spend on the field come Sunday. Developing a culture. Getting the most out of your players and staff. Just as important. Looking at the big picture he's still at the elite level.
I think Belichick is so far ahead of the pack that he makes the guys in the next tier (since I'd put Belichick in the top tier alone) look bad at times, but it is hard to argue with Reid's 20 years of crazy success, even if some of his game day coaching is a bit mind-numbing. :lol
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As for running backs, I'm with Kev. The Giants have Barkley and that hasn't been the difference maker. There are other backs in the league that are in a similar situation. I'm of the opinion, being a life-long Giants and Patriots fan, that a great RUNNING GAME is not the same thing as a great RUNNING BACK. Name the marquee running backs in that great Patriots run? Corey Dillon? Kevin Faulk is/was a great player, but not a quintessentially great RUNNING BACK. What has Le'veon Bell actually won in the NFL?
Agreed about a running game. Look at all of the best RBs of the 21st century (whose primes were/are in this century). Almost none of them have actually won a ring since the turn of the century, except for Marshawn Lynch. If I had to make a list of what positions would be the most important if I were a GM and starting a team, not sure where RB would be, but it wouldn't be near the top. QB, LT, DE (edge rusher), CB, TE, C, RT, LB would all be ahead of RB.
That's actually a tough one. I would argue that a RB who commands respect from the D on every down makes the job of all of those other guys somewhat easier. How you calculate the ROI is anybody's guess, but it's a position with both a direct and indirect benefit. I'm right there with Stadler that a running game is the important part, but if a stud RB can accomplish that I'm not discounting the added value.
I think Belichick is so far ahead of the pack that he makes the guys in the next tier (since I'd put Belichick in the top tier alone) look bad at times, but it is hard to argue with Reid's 20 years of crazy success, even if some of his game day coaching is a bit mind-numbing. :lol
That's certainly what I was getting at. Dude's an elite coach, even if he sometimes sucks at coaching. :lol
And I'm probably putting Andy and Pete Carrol in tier 1-B. I agree that Belichick is in a league of his own, but I think those two are similarly distanced from a lot of the other tier 2 coaches.
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So... where do you guys put coaches like McVay, Stefanski, Flores, McDermott/Mulroney? I have this sneaking suspicion that the quality of coaching is diminishing, though I can't really put a finger on exactly why.
I also have a theory, generated from my life/work experience: Not everyone is capable of all things. I don't think the world is binary, black and white, good and bad. I think there are certainly degrees of success. There are plenty of people who are very successful, can lead divisions of companies, can make their numbers, but aren't capable of being the very top dog. I strongly disagree with the notion that great coordinators are a given to be great head coaches. I think you're seeing a lot of that in the NFL, where guys like Todd Bridges (no, that's Willis; I'm talking about the guy that coached the Jets) and Steve Spagnuolo (who I'm a fan of; he was part of the Uconn staff back in the '80s/early '90s) got their shot and washed out, only to go back to tremendous success as coordinators.
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I go both ways with Baker Mayfield (phrasing!). I know he looks bad at times, but I feel like he's one of those guys that a John Harbaugh or Sean Payton could win with.
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So... where do you guys put coaches like McVay, Stefanski, Flores, McDermott/Mulroney? I have this sneaking suspicion that the quality of coaching is diminishing, though I can't really put a finger on exactly why.
I also have a theory, generated from my life/work experience: Not everyone is capable of all things. I don't think the world is binary, black and white, good and bad. I think there are certainly degrees of success. There are plenty of people who are very successful, can lead divisions of companies, can make their numbers, but aren't capable of being the very top dog. I strongly disagree with the notion that great coordinators are a given to be great head coaches. I think you're seeing a lot of that in the NFL, where guys like Todd Bridges (no, that's Willis; I'm talking about the guy that coached the Jets) and Steve Spagnuolo (who I'm a fan of; he was part of the Uconn staff back in the '80s/early '90s) got their shot and washed out, only to go back to tremendous success as coordinators.
Too early in their respective coaching careers to evaluate a whole lot of the league. McVay and Flores have been able to build success through innovation, but in a copycat league it only takes one guy to blow your house down. The test will come as we see how they stay ahead of the curve.
I think the deal with coordinators is that they tend to be more nerds than people persons. A lot of the failures come from these insanely talented and intelligent guys who are unable to work with 53 highly competitive athletes. The knock on most of the Belichick disciples is that they went elsewhere and tried to recreate the Patriot Way but couldn't manage to change the culture. They followed the Bill Bellicose model and were generally just hated by the players. Being a successful NFL head coach really does require an amazing skill set.
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As for running backs, I'm with Kev. The Giants have Barkley and that hasn't been the difference maker. There are other backs in the league that are in a similar situation. I'm of the opinion, being a life-long Giants and Patriots fan, that a great RUNNING GAME is not the same thing as a great RUNNING BACK. Name the marquee running backs in that great Patriots run? Corey Dillon? Kevin Faulk is/was a great player, but not a quintessentially great RUNNING BACK. What has Le'veon Bell actually won in the NFL?
Agreed about a running game. Look at all of the best RBs of the 21st century (whose primes were/are in this century). Almost none of them have actually won a ring since the turn of the century, except for Marshawn Lynch. If I had to make a list of what positions would be the most important if I were a GM and starting a team, not sure where RB would be, but it wouldn't be near the top. QB, LT, DE (edge rusher), CB, TE, C, RT, LB would all be ahead of RB.
That's actually a tough one. I would argue that a RB who commands respect from the D on every down makes the job of all of those other guys somewhat easier. How you calculate the ROI is anybody's guess, but it's a position with both a direct and indirect benefit. I'm right there with Stadler that a running game is the important part, but if a stud RB can accomplish that I'm not discounting the added value.
True, and studs like Derrick Henry do not come along often, but I saw a stat today that showed that the Titans as a team are averaging around 13 less rushing yards game without him this season, which is not that significant. Obviously, for them to make a deep playoff run, having a healthy Henry is key, but studs like him are rare. As good as Aaron Jones is, it seems like the Packers are better at running the ball by using him and Dillon as a 1-2 punch. The Chiefs can pretty much throw anyone out there at RB and they are fine.
So... where do you guys put coaches like McVay, Stefanski, Flores, McDermott/Mulroney? I have this sneaking suspicion that the quality of coaching is diminishing, though I can't really put a finger on exactly why.
I also have a theory, generated from my life/work experience: Not everyone is capable of all things. I don't think the world is binary, black and white, good and bad. I think there are certainly degrees of success. There are plenty of people who are very successful, can lead divisions of companies, can make their numbers, but aren't capable of being the very top dog. I strongly disagree with the notion that great coordinators are a given to be great head coaches. I think you're seeing a lot of that in the NFL, where guys like Todd Bridges (no, that's Willis; I'm talking about the guy that coached the Jets) and Steve Spagnuolo (who I'm a fan of; he was part of the Uconn staff back in the '80s/early '90s) got their shot and washed out, only to go back to tremendous success as coordinators.
Yep, to be a top head coach, you have to be able to delegate well and manage both your coaches and the players. Not an easy thing to do. Having a good QB can make any coach look a lot better as well (look at Shanahan's record in SF with Jimmy G vs without him). Mike Tomlin gets a lot of heat for underachieving in the playoffs over the long haul, and he undoubtedly has, but this is now 15 seasons and he has still never had a losing record. That is pretty great.
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As for running backs, I'm with Kev. The Giants have Barkley and that hasn't been the difference maker. There are other backs in the league that are in a similar situation. I'm of the opinion, being a life-long Giants and Patriots fan, that a great RUNNING GAME is not the same thing as a great RUNNING BACK. Name the marquee running backs in that great Patriots run? Corey Dillon? Kevin Faulk is/was a great player, but not a quintessentially great RUNNING BACK. What has Le'veon Bell actually won in the NFL?
Agreed about a running game. Look at all of the best RBs of the 21st century (whose primes were/are in this century). Almost none of them have actually won a ring since the turn of the century, except for Marshawn Lynch. If I had to make a list of what positions would be the most important if I were a GM and starting a team, not sure where RB would be, but it wouldn't be near the top. QB, LT, DE (edge rusher), CB, TE, C, RT, LB would all be ahead of RB.
That's actually a tough one. I would argue that a RB who commands respect from the D on every down makes the job of all of those other guys somewhat easier. How you calculate the ROI is anybody's guess, but it's a position with both a direct and indirect benefit. I'm right there with Stadler that a running game is the important part, but if a stud RB can accomplish that I'm not discounting the added value.
True, and studs like Derrick Henry do not come along often, but I saw a stat today that showed that the Titans as a team are averaging around 13 less rushing yards game without him this season, which is not that significant. Obviously, for them to make a deep playoff run, having a healthy Henry is key, but studs like him are rare. As good as Aaron Jones is, it seems like the Packers are better at running the ball by using him and Dillon as a 1-2 punch. The Chiefs can pretty much throw anyone out there at RB and they are fine.
I don't intend this as a rebuttal, I think we're largely on the same page here, but there are plenty of interesting takeaways. Without Henry RT is throwing for 70 yards less a game (and he's never exactly been a Marino, 70 yards is big), and they're scoring a staggering 7.875 points less per game. D'onta Foreman has done a fine job, but he's not exactly scaring teams into submission like DH would. Like I said, a stud RB is worth more than the yards he rushes for.
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I don't intend this as a rebuttal, I think we're largely on the same page here, but there are plenty of interesting takeaways. Without Henry RT is throwing for 70 yards less a game (and he's never exactly been a Marino, 70 yards is big), and they're scoring a staggering 7.875 points less per game. D'onta Foreman has done a fine job, but he's not exactly scaring teams into submission like DH would. Like I said, a stud RB is worth more than the yards he rushes for.
Agreed. If Henry is back in the playoffs and his usual self, the Titans, with the 1 seed if they can beat the Texans this time on Sunday, have a chance at winning two games and making the Super Bowl. Without him, even as the 1 seed, I don't give them much of a chance.
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The AB story was destined to be full of drama I suppose. AB saying Bucs pressured him to play with his injured ankle and that the coach and GM knew about it. I doubt we'll get the entire story out in public as it will most likely be settled behind doors. The fact that the Bucs still haven't released him on the waiver wire when the coach said he was done being a Buc right after the game makes this a bigger WTF debacle. Ugh should have just be done with the drama once his vaccine card fiasco came up.
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I won't be surprised if it is true that Arians handled this poorly, as he seems like a dick, but Brown gets and deserves zero benefit of the doubt, not to mention that if your ankle is so injured and you are in such pain that surgery is needed, dancing like a fool in the end zone after you leave the field seems unwise, but expecting unhinged people to act hinged is probably not realistic.
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Thing is, there are mics and cameras all around so whatever AB says has happened should be easy to prove or disprove.
Per some of AB's statement
“Because of my commitment to the game, I relented to pressure directly from my coach to play injured. Despite the pain, I suited up, the staff injected me with what I now know was a powerful and sometimes dangerous painkiller that the NFLPA has warned against using, and I gave it my all for the team. I played until it was clear that I could not use my ankle to safely perform my playing responsibilities. On top of that, the pain was extreme. I took a seat on the sideline and my coach came up to me, very upset, and shouted, ‘What’s wrong with you? What’s wrong with you?’ I told him, ‘It’s my ankle.’ But he knew that. It was well-documented and we had discussed it. He then ordered me to get on the field. I said, ‘Coach, I can’t.’ He didn’t call for medical attention. Instead, he shouted at me, ‘YOU’RE DONE!’ while he ran his finger across his throat. Coach was telling me that if I didn’t play hurt, then I was done with the Bucs."
That bolded part isn't a very good look for the Coach at all if it indeed went down that way.
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Still a little weird that both Arians and Brady acted like they knew nothing about the injury in their press conferences, and everybody making it sound like a mental health issue. The guys in Pittsburgh deserve a lot of credit for putting up with this guy all those years.
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So... where do you guys put coaches like McVay, Stefanski, Flores, McDermott/Mulroney? I have this sneaking suspicion that the quality of coaching is diminishing, though I can't really put a finger on exactly why.
I also have a theory, generated from my life/work experience: Not everyone is capable of all things. I don't think the world is binary, black and white, good and bad. I think there are certainly degrees of success. There are plenty of people who are very successful, can lead divisions of companies, can make their numbers, but aren't capable of being the very top dog. I strongly disagree with the notion that great coordinators are a given to be great head coaches. I think you're seeing a lot of that in the NFL, where guys like Todd Bridges (no, that's Willis; I'm talking about the guy that coached the Jets) and Steve Spagnuolo (who I'm a fan of; he was part of the Uconn staff back in the '80s/early '90s) got their shot and washed out, only to go back to tremendous success as coordinators.
Yep, to be a top head coach, you have to be able to delegate well and manage both your coaches and the players. Not an easy thing to do. Having a good QB can make any coach look a lot better as well (look at Shanahan's record in SF with Jimmy G vs without him). Mike Tomlin gets a lot of heat for underachieving in the playoffs over the long haul, and he undoubtedly has, but this is now 15 seasons and he has still never had a losing record. That is pretty great.
Maybe I'm being unfair to the players, since I'm not really a die hard Stillers fan, but it always seems to me that Tomlin gets an awful lot out of duct tape and baling wire. I don't necessarily like the man all that much, but there's a grudging respect for the way he has achieved that success year after year without a lot of fanfare. Meaning, other than a handful of players, Ben most notably, he's not historically led teams like the Chiefs or Rams who have more talent than they know what to do with. Ben is no question a HoF'er, but he's done what he's done with a history of physical ailments, and other than Brown and Bell, who has he had carrying him?
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As for running backs, I'm with Kev. The Giants have Barkley and that hasn't been the difference maker. There are other backs in the league that are in a similar situation. I'm of the opinion, being a life-long Giants and Patriots fan, that a great RUNNING GAME is not the same thing as a great RUNNING BACK. Name the marquee running backs in that great Patriots run? Corey Dillon? Kevin Faulk is/was a great player, but not a quintessentially great RUNNING BACK. What has Le'veon Bell actually won in the NFL?
Agreed about a running game. Look at all of the best RBs of the 21st century (whose primes were/are in this century). Almost none of them have actually won a ring since the turn of the century, except for Marshawn Lynch. If I had to make a list of what positions would be the most important if I were a GM and starting a team, not sure where RB would be, but it wouldn't be near the top. QB, LT, DE (edge rusher), CB, TE, C, RT, LB would all be ahead of RB.
That's actually a tough one. I would argue that a RB who commands respect from the D on every down makes the job of all of those other guys somewhat easier. How you calculate the ROI is anybody's guess, but it's a position with both a direct and indirect benefit. I'm right there with Stadler that a running game is the important part, but if a stud RB can accomplish that I'm not discounting the added value.
True, and studs like Derrick Henry do not come along often, but I saw a stat today that showed that the Titans as a team are averaging around 13 less rushing yards game without him this season, which is not that significant. Obviously, for them to make a deep playoff run, having a healthy Henry is key, but studs like him are rare. As good as Aaron Jones is, it seems like the Packers are better at running the ball by using him and Dillon as a 1-2 punch. The Chiefs can pretty much throw anyone out there at RB and they are fine.
I don't intend this as a rebuttal, I think we're largely on the same page here, but there are plenty of interesting takeaways. Without Henry RT is throwing for 70 yards less a game (and he's never exactly been a Marino, 70 yards is big), and they're scoring a staggering 7.875 points less per game. D'onta Foreman has done a fine job, but he's not exactly scaring teams into submission like DH would. Like I said, a stud RB is worth more than the yards he rushes for.
I think I'm just repeating what you, Bart, said above, but I think the point is you game plan for Derrick Henry; you're not game planning for D'onta Foreman.
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Thing is, there are mics and cameras all around so whatever AB says has happened should be easy to prove or disprove.
Per some of AB's statement
“Because of my commitment to the game, I relented to pressure directly from my coach to play injured. Despite the pain, I suited up, the staff injected me with what I now know was a powerful and sometimes dangerous painkiller that the NFLPA has warned against using, and I gave it my all for the team. I played until it was clear that I could not use my ankle to safely perform my playing responsibilities. On top of that, the pain was extreme. I took a seat on the sideline and my coach came up to me, very upset, and shouted, ‘What’s wrong with you? What’s wrong with you?’ I told him, ‘It’s my ankle.’ But he knew that. It was well-documented and we had discussed it. He then ordered me to get on the field. I said, ‘Coach, I can’t.’ He didn’t call for medical attention. Instead, he shouted at me, ‘YOU’RE DONE!’ while he ran his finger across his throat. Coach was telling me that if I didn’t play hurt, then I was done with the Bucs."
That bolded part isn't a very good look for the Coach at all if it indeed went down that way.
Well, first, I don't trust a word that comes out of Brown's mouth, so there's that. Even if the general scheme is correct, the words matter; did Brown REALLY say "Coach, I can't!", or was it "Fuck off!"? That matters. But second - and this may be colored a bit because I'm a lawyer and I see this sort of thing often - this is one of those issues/things that look REALLY bad from the outside, looking from a different lens, than it likely was at the time. It's similar to the Brady Deflategate incident in that way. Did Brady go up to a lowly ball boy and literally say "Please go into that closet and deflate these to precisely 11.3 PSI; that is 1.2 PSI less than the 12.5 minimum, but that's how we are going to officially, as an organization, require our balls." Of course not. Brady need only have said "wow, this is a good ball. I like this", and that Pats ballboy - "doing his job" - made it happen. Likewise here. There has been discussion about "injury reports" every year for the last 20 years. Wasn't Brady on something like 160 straight injury reports, and yet never missed a game? So "knowing about an injury" and "putting up with Brown's bullshit" are two different matters. And honestly, having played three sports (four if you don't count baseball and softball as the same thing) for the better part of 40 years, there are degrees of healthy; I can remember playing softball in my hometown, and you needed 10 guys to start a game; more than once we were waiting on people to arrive after work, and had my friend Willie - with an artificial leg - in the roster until the full team arrived. We don't know if Arians needed Brown to literally stand there and draw a defender, or something else; and certainly, as he "danced" off the field, there was SOME level of athleticism that Brown could have supplied to the team.
Maybe I'm too old school, "shut up and play your position" kind of guy, but I think this is as much Brown playing heartstrings facing the end of his career as it is any objective, honest assessment of the events of January 2, 2022.
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Thing is, there are mics and cameras all around so whatever AB says has happened should be easy to prove or disprove.
Per some of AB's statement
“Because of my commitment to the game, I relented to pressure directly from my coach to play injured. Despite the pain, I suited up, the staff injected me with what I now know was a powerful and sometimes dangerous painkiller that the NFLPA has warned against using, and I gave it my all for the team. I played until it was clear that I could not use my ankle to safely perform my playing responsibilities. On top of that, the pain was extreme. I took a seat on the sideline and my coach came up to me, very upset, and shouted, ‘What’s wrong with you? What’s wrong with you?’ I told him, ‘It’s my ankle.’ But he knew that. It was well-documented and we had discussed it. He then ordered me to get on the field. I said, ‘Coach, I can’t.’ He didn’t call for medical attention. Instead, he shouted at me, ‘YOU’RE DONE!’ while he ran his finger across his throat. Coach was telling me that if I didn’t play hurt, then I was done with the Bucs."
That bolded part isn't a very good look for the Coach at all if it indeed went down that way.
Well, first, I don't trust a word that comes out of Brown's mouth, so there's that. Even if the general scheme is correct, the words matter; did Brown REALLY say "Coach, I can't!", or was it "Fuck off!"? That matters. But second - and this may be colored a bit because I'm a lawyer and I see this sort of thing often - this is one of those issues/things that look REALLY bad from the outside, looking from a different lens, than it likely was at the time. It's similar to the Brady Deflategate incident in that way. Did Brady go up to a lowly ball boy and literally say "Please go into that closet and deflate these to precisely 11.3 PSI; that is 1.2 PSI less than the 12.5 minimum, but that's how we are going to officially, as an organization, require our balls." Of course not. Brady need only have said "wow, this is a good ball. I like this", and that Pats ballboy - "doing his job" - made it happen. Likewise here. There has been discussion about "injury reports" every year for the last 20 years. Wasn't Brady on something like 160 straight injury reports, and yet never missed a game? So "knowing about an injury" and "putting up with Brown's bullshit" are two different matters. And honestly, having played three sports (four if you don't count baseball and softball as the same thing) for the better part of 40 years, there are degrees of healthy; I can remember playing softball in my hometown, and you needed 10 guys to start a game; more than once we were waiting on people to arrive after work, and had my friend Willie - with an artificial leg - in the roster until the full team arrived. We don't know if Arians needed Brown to literally stand there and draw a defender, or something else; and certainly, as he "danced" off the field, there was SOME level of athleticism that Brown could have supplied to the team.
Maybe I'm too old school, "shut up and play your position" kind of guy, but I think this is as much Brown playing heartstrings facing the end of his career as it is any objective, honest assessment of the events of January 2, 2022.
Lot of local beat reporters in Tampa are pretty much saying the same thing, AB's team is posturing and some of the details are odd. The distraction is just annoying at this point and frankly not needed. But as they and pretty much the entire football world knows 'what else did you expect when signing AB?'
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Faizoff, I think you're right. But this is where Brady is going to REALLY show his worth. This WILL NOT faze him, and I believe he will be able to keep his part of the team focused and ready to play ball on Sunday. "Ignore the Noise".
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Browns ankles looked okay while he was doing jumping jacks in the end zone while leaving the field.
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Some people just don't get how the real world works outside of the NFL. St. Rodgers is calling out the very voters who'd get him an MVP award, and Antonio Brown is badmouthing Alex Guerrero. You'd think playing a team sport would instill an understanding of the importance of allies.
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They live in a "Me" world. They've been pampered so long, to them, everything is about them and their needs.
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Some people just don't get how the real world works outside of the NFL. St. Rodgers is calling out the very voters who'd get him an MVP award, and Antonio Brown is badmouthing Alex Guerrero. You'd think playing a team sport would instill an understanding of the importance of allies.
That used to be the very reason that you'd have your kids play sports even if they sucked. It wasn't about hitting touchdowns or throwing homeruns, it was about learning cameraderie, working as a unit, and performing one task that is part of a bigger effort, without having to join the military.
You notice this in the real world. Guys like Roger Staubach, after football, started a fantastically successful real estate business. My dad had a childhood friend that played O-line for the great Green Bay teams of the '60s, and he went on to run a regional car dealership in the Green Bay area. Now, if you're not a coach, rapper, sports analyst, or "celebrity", it's a real struggle for many ex-athletes to adapt to the real world, since, while teamwork and partnership and cameraderie translate, things like "brand" and whatnot, don't. Someone in my group starts talking about their "brand", the second I find out they're not being sarcastic, I'm telling them to - metaphorically - STFU.
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Some people just don't get how the real world works outside of the NFL. St. Rodgers is calling out the very voters who'd get him an MVP award, and Antonio Brown is badmouthing Alex Guerrero. You'd think playing a team sport would instill an understanding of the importance of allies.
I agree on the AB thing, but I’m actually in favor of Rodgers calling out that single voter (not plural voters as you said). This guy openly admitted to being influenced by off-the-field behavior when voting for an award about on-the-field contributions. I don’t personally like the way Rodgers has handled some things this season, but his contributions to the Packers success is undeniable. This guy is voting for MVP. Not Walter Payton Man of the Year. If he’s gonna let personal feelings influence his decision, then he shouldn’t be part of the voting committee.
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Some people just don't get how the real world works outside of the NFL. St. Rodgers is calling out the very voters who'd get him an MVP award, and Antonio Brown is badmouthing Alex Guerrero. You'd think playing a team sport would instill an understanding of the importance of allies.
I agree on the AB thing, but I’m actually in favor of Rodgers calling out that single voter (not plural voters as you said). This guy openly admitted to being influenced by off-the-field behavior when voting for an award about on-the-field contributions. I don’t personally like the way Rodgers has handled some things this season, but his contributions to the Packers success is undeniable. This guy is voting for MVP. Not Walter Payton Man of the Year. If he’s gonna let personal feelings influence his decision, then he shouldn’t be part of the voting committee.
A: The other voters are going to see him attacking a fellow sportswriter over his commentary. B: A strong argument could be made that is foolishness was detrimental to the team. No, he's not running for WPMotY, but if I'm a sportswriter I'm probably looking at people with just as strong a contribution to the success of their team that weren't circus sideshows. You've got to weigh his contribution and his deduction. Remember, they lost a game because of his absence.
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As an alumnus of Central Michigan, I followed AB during his college career, and of course enjoyed his success and what that meant to CMU….even though he played for the ‘hated’ Steelers. I mentioned the CTE possibility in regards to him a couple of years ago. That cheap shot he took from Burfict was horrendous. Whatever his state of mind, he’s surrounded himself with enablers, and he has a litany of off the field antics that are simply deplorable. I hope he never is allowed to come near a training camp, much less play again.
Moving on…..Big Ben’s last game against the Ravens coming up. Maybe the best rivalry over the past 15-20 years will continue on, but it won’t be the same (something like 22 of the last 29 games were one score differentials). Gotta respect a player with his credentials and tough as nails abilities on the field…off the field, not so much, at least until recent years. He did well with his second chance, wising up and settling down, getting married, and doing police K-9 donations in every visiting city. Not a hater by any means, but I will hate the overly excessive and needless close ups of him on Sunday (as I do with other excessive shots of QBs and HCs on the sidelines)
99% chance that neither team will make the playoffs, the first time since ’99 that will happen.
Finally, as to the Ravens: I predicted 9-8 after the rash of August injuries. With smoke and mirrors, they were 8-3 and the #1 seed. Jackson brought them back from three double digit deficits, and you can count Tucker’s 66 yard FG win as another comeback. After the OT win over the Vikings, he would have been in the MVP hunt. Too much was put on his shoulders, and I think he was beat up more in that game than any other (41 passes, 20 rushes). And he wasn’t the same after the TNF against Miami in the 86% humidity. And whatever 'bug' he got attending the U of Louisville game that Saturday. Of all things, he hurts his ankle on a 1st down marker, and then knocked out on a rollout from a late tackle. Somehow, this team has managed to fight and claw in four of their last five losses. They are far from perfect, but I’ll always give both Harbaugh and Tomlin credit for having their teams ready to play hard 99 percent of the time for sixty minutes, regardless of who they can and cannot put onto the field.
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Lamar is yet another in a long line of QBs - physical, three-tool (run, pass, uh, whatever) players - that have a lot of promise, but it's starting to look like he's also yet another in a long line of QBs whose bodies don't/can't withstand the abuse.
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Moving on…..Big Ben’s last game against the Ravens coming up. Maybe the best rivalry over the past 15-20 years will continue on, but it won’t be the same (something like 22 of the last 29 games were one score differentials). Gotta respect a player with his credentials and tough as nails abilities on the field…off the field, not so much, at least until recent years. He did well with his second chance, wising up and settling down, getting married, and doing police K-9 donations in every visiting city. Not a hater by any means, but I will hate the overly excessive and needless close ups of him on Sunday (as I do with other excessive shots of QBs and HCs on the sidelines)
I loved Ben as a player too, but he seemed to lose interest as his life off the field improved.
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So... where do you guys put coaches like McVay, Stefanski, Flores, McDermott/Mulroney? I have this sneaking suspicion that the quality of coaching is diminishing, though I can't really put a finger on exactly why.
I also have a theory, generated from my life/work experience: Not everyone is capable of all things. I don't think the world is binary, black and white, good and bad. I think there are certainly degrees of success. There are plenty of people who are very successful, can lead divisions of companies, can make their numbers, but aren't capable of being the very top dog. I strongly disagree with the notion that great coordinators are a given to be great head coaches. I think you're seeing a lot of that in the NFL, where guys like Todd Bridges (no, that's Willis; I'm talking about the guy that coached the Jets) and Steve Spagnuolo (who I'm a fan of; he was part of the Uconn staff back in the '80s/early '90s) got their shot and washed out, only to go back to tremendous success as coordinators.
Yep, to be a top head coach, you have to be able to delegate well and manage both your coaches and the players. Not an easy thing to do. Having a good QB can make any coach look a lot better as well (look at Shanahan's record in SF with Jimmy G vs without him). Mike Tomlin gets a lot of heat for underachieving in the playoffs over the long haul, and he undoubtedly has, but this is now 15 seasons and he has still never had a losing record. That is pretty great.
Maybe I'm being unfair to the players, since I'm not really a die hard Stillers fan, but it always seems to me that Tomlin gets an awful lot out of duct tape and baling wire. I don't necessarily like the man all that much, but there's a grudging respect for the way he has achieved that success year after year without a lot of fanfare. Meaning, other than a handful of players, Ben most notably, he's not historically led teams like the Chiefs or Rams who have more talent than they know what to do with. Ben is no question a HoF'er, but he's done what he's done with a history of physical ailments, and other than Brown and Bell, who has he had carrying him?
To be a bit of a contrarian ;) , Tomlin did inherit a Steelers team that had the best defense in the league, which allowed him to win the Super Bowl in his second season. Tomlin's regular season success cannot be argued, but his lack of playoff success over the long haul is glaring. Since they lost the Super Bowl following the 2010 season, he has a grand total of 3 playoff wins (1 of which was a gift thanks to Burfict).
Some people just don't get how the real world works outside of the NFL. St. Rodgers is calling out the very voters who'd get him an MVP award, and Antonio Brown is badmouthing Alex Guerrero. You'd think playing a team sport would instill an understanding of the importance of allies.
I agree on the AB thing, but I’m actually in favor of Rodgers calling out that single voter (not plural voters as you said). This guy openly admitted to being influenced by off-the-field behavior when voting for an award about on-the-field contributions. I don’t personally like the way Rodgers has handled some things this season, but his contributions to the Packers success is undeniable. This guy is voting for MVP. Not Walter Payton Man of the Year. If he’s gonna let personal feelings influence his decision, then he shouldn’t be part of the voting committee.
Could not agree more.
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So... where do you guys put coaches like McVay, Stefanski, Flores, McDermott/Mulroney? I have this sneaking suspicion that the quality of coaching is diminishing, though I can't really put a finger on exactly why.
I also have a theory, generated from my life/work experience: Not everyone is capable of all things. I don't think the world is binary, black and white, good and bad. I think there are certainly degrees of success. There are plenty of people who are very successful, can lead divisions of companies, can make their numbers, but aren't capable of being the very top dog. I strongly disagree with the notion that great coordinators are a given to be great head coaches. I think you're seeing a lot of that in the NFL, where guys like Todd Bridges (no, that's Willis; I'm talking about the guy that coached the Jets) and Steve Spagnuolo (who I'm a fan of; he was part of the Uconn staff back in the '80s/early '90s) got their shot and washed out, only to go back to tremendous success as coordinators.
Yep, to be a top head coach, you have to be able to delegate well and manage both your coaches and the players. Not an easy thing to do. Having a good QB can make any coach look a lot better as well (look at Shanahan's record in SF with Jimmy G vs without him). Mike Tomlin gets a lot of heat for underachieving in the playoffs over the long haul, and he undoubtedly has, but this is now 15 seasons and he has still never had a losing record. That is pretty great.
Maybe I'm being unfair to the players, since I'm not really a die hard Stillers fan, but it always seems to me that Tomlin gets an awful lot out of duct tape and baling wire. I don't necessarily like the man all that much, but there's a grudging respect for the way he has achieved that success year after year without a lot of fanfare. Meaning, other than a handful of players, Ben most notably, he's not historically led teams like the Chiefs or Rams who have more talent than they know what to do with. Ben is no question a HoF'er, but he's done what he's done with a history of physical ailments, and other than Brown and Bell, who has he had carrying him?
To be a bit of a contrarian ;) , Tomlin did inherit a Steelers team that had the best defense in the league, which allowed him to win the Super Bowl in his second season. Tomlin's regular season success cannot be argued, but his lack of playoff success over the long haul is glaring. Since they lost the Super Bowl following the 2010 season, he has a grand total of 3 playoff wins (1 of which was a gift thanks to Burfict).
I think this goes to what I was saying (in two different contexts): I don't think any coach/player can win any game; I famously predicted Tony Romo would never win a Super Bowl, and same with Phillip Rivers. Some might say those were easy predictions, but even WITH "any given Sunday", I stand by that. There are guys in the league right now that fall into that bucket (I'm putting Kirk Cousins there, and possibly Carson Wentz). I think this goes to the point that Tomlin has gotten more out of less than most coaches in the league, he just has guys (not thinking Ben, but elsewhere) that just aren't "Super Bowl" calibre. That may be a different indictment on him, but in terms of getting the maximum out of his players for that 60 minutes, I think he's as good as any coach in the league.
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Word is Washington's team name will be the Commanders. ::)
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Commander in Chief? Makes sense.
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So... where do you guys put coaches like McVay, Stefanski, Flores, McDermott/Mulroney? I have this sneaking suspicion that the quality of coaching is diminishing, though I can't really put a finger on exactly why.
I also have a theory, generated from my life/work experience: Not everyone is capable of all things. I don't think the world is binary, black and white, good and bad. I think there are certainly degrees of success. There are plenty of people who are very successful, can lead divisions of companies, can make their numbers, but aren't capable of being the very top dog. I strongly disagree with the notion that great coordinators are a given to be great head coaches. I think you're seeing a lot of that in the NFL, where guys like Todd Bridges (no, that's Willis; I'm talking about the guy that coached the Jets) and Steve Spagnuolo (who I'm a fan of; he was part of the Uconn staff back in the '80s/early '90s) got their shot and washed out, only to go back to tremendous success as coordinators.
Yep, to be a top head coach, you have to be able to delegate well and manage both your coaches and the players. Not an easy thing to do. Having a good QB can make any coach look a lot better as well (look at Shanahan's record in SF with Jimmy G vs without him). Mike Tomlin gets a lot of heat for underachieving in the playoffs over the long haul, and he undoubtedly has, but this is now 15 seasons and he has still never had a losing record. That is pretty great.
Maybe I'm being unfair to the players, since I'm not really a die hard Stillers fan, but it always seems to me that Tomlin gets an awful lot out of duct tape and baling wire. I don't necessarily like the man all that much, but there's a grudging respect for the way he has achieved that success year after year without a lot of fanfare. Meaning, other than a handful of players, Ben most notably, he's not historically led teams like the Chiefs or Rams who have more talent than they know what to do with. Ben is no question a HoF'er, but he's done what he's done with a history of physical ailments, and other than Brown and Bell, who has he had carrying him?
To be a bit of a contrarian ;) , Tomlin did inherit a Steelers team that had the best defense in the league, which allowed him to win the Super Bowl in his second season. Tomlin's regular season success cannot be argued, but his lack of playoff success over the long haul is glaring. Since they lost the Super Bowl following the 2010 season, he has a grand total of 3 playoff wins (1 of which was a gift thanks to Burfict).
I think this goes to what I was saying (in two different contexts): I don't think any coach/player can win any game; I famously predicted Tony Romo would never win a Super Bowl, and same with Phillip Rivers. Some might say those were easy predictions, but even WITH "any given Sunday", I stand by that. There are guys in the league right now that fall into that bucket (I'm putting Kirk Cousins there, and possibly Carson Wentz). I think this goes to the point that Tomlin has gotten more out of less than most coaches in the league, he just has guys (not thinking Ben, but elsewhere) that just aren't "Super Bowl" calibre. That may be a different indictment on him, but in terms of getting the maximum out of his players for that 60 minutes, I think he's as good as any coach in the league.
While I'd have to give it more thought to determine whether or not I agree, his stock in that regard is certainly up this way following the latest meltdown by A. Brown, as many wonder what Tomlin did to keep him under wraps for so many years. I think what helped Brown not go crazy for most his tenure was that Ben had no problem force feeding him the ball, but of course the minute JuJu started getting a lot of targets, he lost his mind and got himself moved out of there. Brown is the kind of guy who loves it when his team falls behind 28-0 because he can then get 15 targets in the second half when they are playing catch-up. He doesn't care about winning; he only cares about his stats. If they lose 49-31 and he gets 10-133-1, he is ecstatic. If they win 19-10 and he gets 3-33-0, he is unhappy.
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Regarding Antonio Brown:
I had been hearing whispers about a concussion that altered his behavior in a negative way. The concussion happened in 2016 and people were noticing the change after that.
The same thing happened to Big Ben when he entered the league. He was in a motorcycle crash without a helmet and was bleeding from the base of his skull. It was rumored that his concussion changed his personality for the worse, so I wonder if AB is going through the same thing and that's why they are pleading for help for him?
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Regarding Antonio Brown:
I had been hearing whispers about a concussion that altered his behavior in a negative way. The concussion happened in 2016 and people were noticing the change after that.
The same thing happened to Big Ben when he entered the league. He was in a motorcycle crash without a helmet and was bleeding from the base of his skull. It was rumored that his concussion changed his personality for the worse, so I wonder if AB is going through the same thing and that's why they are pleading for help for him?
I'm sure it's a factor but his behavior has long been irrational prior to the hit. While the hit may have increased or even aggravated his erratic behavior of late, most say it's in line with what he's been doing. I did see a video of his progression of speech from when he first started with the Steelers to lately how he's talking and there seems to be a noticeable deterioration, so there's that.
I'm honestly surprised it took this long for things to blow up as they did. When the Bucs signed him last year they somehow managed to keep him under control to finish out the season.
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So here we are at the fabled week 18. Is there actually a meaningful game of football on today? Week 17 was already pointless aside from maybe a couple of games.
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Nearly every game is meaningful. The Packers are the only team locked into their playoff seeding prior to this week, so every team is still jockeying for seeding, although some teams (Bengals, for example) are obviously focusing more on getting players healthy for the playoffs, which is smart.
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So here we are at the fabled week 18. Is there actually a meaningful game of football on today? Week 17 was already pointless aside from maybe a couple of games.
Chargers-Raiders, win and in, lose and done.
The point is bang-on, though. The bigger point is the third WC team, though. At least 4 AFC and 3 NFC teams could be vying for the second bye. Instead, their games are only slightly meaningful. The bottoms of the conferences aren't very interesting, either.
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Should the Colts lose today, it opens the doors for two teams among the Ravens, Steelers, Raiders, and Charges to get in.
Ravens probably have the toughest way in, they have to win, and then need the Jags and Raiders to win as well.
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There are few things more entertaining to me than watching Ravens fans (and I know a lot of them, since I live here) lose their collective shit in so many different ways.
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That odor you all smell is the Colts after they pooped all over on themselves. All they had to to make the playoffs was beat the Jags, and they lost 26-11. :lol :lol :lol
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Interesting scenario now for Sunday Night Football with the way the 1pm games settled out.My understanding is that the last two playoff spots in the AFC go to Pittsburgh and the winner of the Chargers - Raiders game unless that game ends in a tie. If it does then both LA and Vegas advance while the Steelers' season ends. Any chance those teams would try to collude for a tie?
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Interesting scenario now for Sunday Night Football with the way the 1pm games settled out.My understanding is that the last two playoff spots in the AFC go to Pittsburgh and the winner of the Chargers - Raiders game unless that game ends in a tie. If it does then both LA and Vegas advance while the Steelers' season ends. Any chance those teams would try to collude for a tie?
Zero chance.
Too many variables in a 70-minute game (60 +10 for the OT) to collude and make it happen.
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Pats are sucking big time!
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Pats are sucking big time!
OMG, tell us more!!!
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Oof.
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I looked at the ESPN playoff machine.
If NE loses this game, they are still the 5 seed unless the Raiders win tonight. That is the one scenario that would knock the Patriots down to the 6 seed. That would set up a Bills vs Patriots Round 1 battle.
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Still, you'd like your team to play well going into the playoffs not lose 3 of 4.
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Interesting scenario now for Sunday Night Football with the way the 1pm games settled out.My understanding is that the last two playoff spots in the AFC go to Pittsburgh and the winner of the Chargers - Raiders game unless that game ends in a tie. If it does then both LA and Vegas advance while the Steelers' season ends. Any chance those teams would try to collude for a tie?
Zero chance.
Too many variables in a 70-minute game (60 +10 for the OT) to collude and make it happen.
Oh I don't mean to play an actual game and have it end in a tie. If I was the owner of one of those teams I'd be calling the other one and saying hey, let's just kneel three times and punt it back and forth for 70 minutes and both head into the playoffs healthy and rested.
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Lost in all of the hype around Cooper Kupp potentially breaking the single season receiving yards record: who was QB throwing the ball to current record holder Calvin Johnson? The same guy throwing to Kupp now: Matthew Stafford. The guy is so underappreciated.
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This quite an epic collapse by the Rams here in the second half.
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This quite an epic comeback by the Niners here in the second half.
Fixd... And we're in.
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McVay has no balls. 3rd down and long in regulation to seal the win, and instead of letting his QB, whom he paid a ton of money and gave up a lot to get, throw it, he handed the ball to Sony freaking Michel. And here we go. The Rams now drop from the 2 seed to the 4.
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NFC next week:
Philly at TB
SF at Dallas
Arizona at LA Rams
AFC next week if Chargers win tonight:
Pitt at KC
LA Chargers at Buffalo
NE at Cincy
AFC next week if Raiders win tonight:
Pitt at KC
NE at Buffalo
Raiders at Cincy
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Losing Barmore hurt a whole lot more than losing the game.
NE needs Joe Judge back to turn the special teams around. This is quite possibly the worst unit in the Belichick era.
That unnecessary roughness call on the fake punt was bullshit. NE was trying to gain the momentum, and a 3-out would have helped a lot.
Don't like either of the end of half decisions from NE. They needed to go for it on the 4th and inches to end the first, and they needed the onside kick to end the second. NE couldn't stop the run, and it was clear that Miami would continue to play aggressively. Bill's been remarkably conservative in his game management this year, and it's cost them.
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His conservatism is a bit startling honest El Barto.
This D cannot stop the run for sure.
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Man I can't imagine what Colts fans must be feeling like, they were a tough team a few weeks back and just shit the bed in the end. Bucs play the Eagles at home, hope they get Fournette and Shaq back. Godwin's replacement Cyril was playing great and then got injured with a hamstring pull today. It will really suck if he's out of the playoffs as he was doing an amazing job filling in for Godwin.
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Godwin's replacement Cyril was playing great and then got injured with a hamstring pull today. It will really suck if he's out of the playoffs as he was doing an amazing job filling in for Godwin.
For real?
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Playoff schedule for the next week...
Saturday:
Patriots or Raiders at Bengals at 3:30 CST
Chargers or Patriots at Bills at 7:15 CST
Sunday:
Eagles at Bucs 12:00 CST
49ers at Cowboys 3:30 CST
Raiders or Steelers at Chiefs 7:15 CST
Monday:
Cardinals at Rams 7:15 CST
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FTFY. The Eagles don't get to play twice. :lol
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Godwin's replacement Cyril was playing great and then got injured with a hamstring pull today. It will really suck if he's out of the playoffs as he was doing an amazing job filling in for Godwin.
For real?
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Lol it took me way too long to get that. But yeah it will suck if he's out even though they're kinda stacked at WR.
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2 things:
1. Today may have been the most exciting 49ers game I have ever seen. And I was around for the entire Montana era, "The Catch II," and other stuff. They have overcome so much this season, were so shorthanded, and battled for that win. Amazing.
2. The Chargers look absolutely awful.
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2. The Chargers look absolutely awful.
They looked good when they took the lead but have been awful since.
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FTFY. The Eagles don't get to play twice. :lol
Damn it. :facepalm: :lol
2. The Chargers look absolutely awful.
They looked good when they took the lead but have been awful since.
Their coach is a dope. I get the recent infatuation with analytics, but he takes it way too far. Going for it on 4th and 1 from their own 18 in the 3rd Q was just stupid.
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Can I just say I love how major outlets now recognize a Scorigami (https://youtu.be/9l5C8cGMueY)!
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/cowboys-victory-over-eagles-finishes-with-a-final-score-that-had-never-been-seen-in-nfl-history/
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Chargers within 7, this could get interesting.
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If Brady had thrown that ball they 100% would have called DPI.
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2. The Chargers look absolutely awful.
They looked good when they took the lead but have been awful since.
Their coach is a dope. I get the recent infatuation with analytics, but he takes it way too far. Going for it on 4th and 1 from their own 18 in the 3rd Q was just stupid.
I couldn't believe they were actually doing it. When they snapped the ball, I was in shock about how stupid that was, whether they would have made it or not.
EDIT: How many 4th downs can they survive?!
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The last two minutes of this game has lasted like a half hour, can't believe how many 4th down conversions the Chargers have made.
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HOLY SHIT! They actually tied it!
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This is nuts. The Steelers might actually have the one incredibly unlikely scenario that results in their elimination actually come to fruition. Unbelievable.
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Of course it goes to overtime! This is amazing.
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Thus is fucking hysterical
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How wild would it be to end in a tie and knock the Steelers out lolll...
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I wonder if there is some mechanism where they could have agreed to let it end in a tie. How could they communicate their intentions? I'm sure the league would frown on it, but it's actually the logical move.
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If this does happen, how many east coast peeps are gonna wake in disbelief :lol
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Whatever happens, it's definitely been the best way to end a regular season. Hope the playoffs are this exciting!
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If this does happen, how many east coast peeps are gonna wake in disbelief :lol
This one is glued to the screen. I'm sure 7AM will come quick
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Didn't get the coolest result....but that was still wild.
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Chargers coach is an idiot. They were content to tie it and he changed their mind. :lol
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I'm curious why the Chargers called a timeout there, oddly looked like everyone was ok with a tie at that point.
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What bugs me is that I truly despise tie games. They're an abomination and should never be allowed to happen. That would have been the first time ever a tie game would have been the perfect outcome. For once in my life I was really rooting for one, and we didn't get it.
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Losing Barmore hurt a whole lot more than losing the game.
NE needs Joe Judge back to turn the special teams around. This is quite possibly the worst unit in the Belichick era.
That unnecessary roughness call on the fake punt was bullshit. NE was trying to gain the momentum, and a 3-out would have helped a lot.
Don't like either of the end of half decisions from NE. They needed to go for it on the 4th and inches to end the first, and they needed the onside kick to end the second. NE couldn't stop the run, and it was clear that Miami would continue to play aggressively. Bill's been remarkably conservative in his game management this year, and it's cost them.
I agree with your take on both of those. And who knows, Judge may be available.... :) :) :)
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I was also hoping that would end up a tie. If nothing else, it made Steelers fans sweat, and that is always nice. :lol :lol
Staley is a dimwit. He had a top 5 QB this season and, despite the addition of a playoff team in each conference, still missed the playoffs largely due to several close losses in which his in-game decisions directly led to the results. Chargers fans have to pulling their hair out today.
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All things said I never would've thought the Raiders would have been in a position to make it to the playoffs. They've gone through some crazy distractions with the coach firing, multiple player issues off the field. Of course, they are professionals and expected to not let those things get in the way but have to commend them for pushing through.
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Hey Coach....we know you prefer Justin Herbert, but we're going to go ahead and pick Tua because reasons.
Two years later.
You keep missing the playoffs? You need to be fired. But don't worry, we're keeping our jobs.
Clowns
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Brian Flores out. Imagine that. :dunno:
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Brian Flores out. Imagine that. :dunno:
What a stupid decision. Flores will get an opportunity somewhere else and he will make the Dolphins regret this.
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Wow. That’s fucking crazy. They were saying that the GM is a Michigan guy and he’d be all over Harbaugh.
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The GM failed the Dolphins, not the coach.
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Wow. That’s fucking crazy. They were saying that the GM is a Michigan guy and he’d be all over Harbaugh.
They've "officially" ruled him out. At this point I always speculate that teams with young, under-performing QBs always look at JMD. CHI would be a candidate, but I doubt he'd go anywhere near MIA. He won't want any part of their GM. I really don't know what MIA was thinking, but their GM is retained after going through 3 coaches in 4 seasons, so I'm not sure they were thinking at all.
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Interesting scenario now for Sunday Night Football with the way the 1pm games settled out.My understanding is that the last two playoff spots in the AFC go to Pittsburgh and the winner of the Chargers - Raiders game unless that game ends in a tie. If it does then both LA and Vegas advance while the Steelers' season ends. Any chance those teams would try to collude for a tie?
Zero chance.
Zero chance of collusion (which was a topic of discussion on local sports talk radio last week), but it damn well almost happened anyway! I loved the shot of the Steelers fan in the stands acting all butthurt when the Raiders were playing conservatively toward the end of overtime. That was one of the most entertaining games in a long time. Unfortunately, my second most hated team in all of sports won the game.
The last two minutes of this game has lasted like a half hour, can't believe how many 4th down conversions the Chargers have made.
And they were mostly 4th and 10s!
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Wow. That’s fucking crazy. They were saying that the GM is a Michigan guy and he’d be all over Harbaugh.
I can't imagine that; would you trade Brian Flores for Jim Harbaugh straight up? I know I wouldn't.
That's a dysfunctional organization. They waffled on Tuagladiola, even after selecting him, they started to build a culture, and a culture that showed it could win, and now they're going to start from scratch.
And yet, Staley still has a job (for now), as does Kliff Kingsbury (that organization is absolutely not as good as their record might indicate).
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Not for nothing on those Raiders, but that was/is Jon Gruden's team. Say what you want about "the emails" but he knew what he was doing, and was doing it the right way on the field. He got Derek Carr out of his own head and quietly turned him into one of the better quarterbacks in the league, IMO.
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Glad to see that the Seahawks, Lions, and Jaguars went out on a high note.
Lions beat the Packers
Seahawks beat the Cardinals
Jaguars beat the Colts
Also Congrats to the 49ers for making the playoffs, they earned that one.
It's gonna be a tough one against Dallas though..
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Floras could be the next Vikings coach.
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This was a good Monday morning to wake up as a Titans fan. Woot!
And, separately, despite my jovial mood and sunny disposition today, I have a legit question:
How is Vrabel not a complete runaway lock for Coach of the Year?
- Most injury/illness-ravaged team in NFL history (obliterated previous NFL record by fielding 92 different players this season)
- Lost franchise player less than half way through the season
- Roster apparently so mediocre only ONE player selected to pro-bowl (as opposed to, say, the media-darling-yet-out-of-playoff Colts, who had SEVEN!)
- "Titans are worst #1 seed since..." disrespectful "analysis" all over the place
- Yet Titans did, in fact, achieve the AFC #1 seed on merit (and with quite an impressive resume of contender scalps along the way)
So how can the above be true, yet Vrabel not be automatic for that award? Most voices I'm hearing have him 2nd or 3rd.
Not that i'm shocked the Titans may not be getting media love. It's ALWAYS been that way in that franchise's history (with the possible exception of the early 90s Warren Moon run-and-shoot years), and Titans fans are totally used to it. What we're loving these days is how the team mentality/character/culture seems to match that of the fanbase. Screw the national spotlight (or lack thereof), or the tough circumstances, or the injuries, or the latest flashy player/team, or whatever... go win anyway. I know it's par-for-the-course for every contending team in every sport to find ways to paint/motivate themselves as the disrespected underdog, but in the Titans' case, they sure don't have to look far because the media make it REALLY easy...
Outside of Titan-world, I don't recall seeing so many teams shoot themselves in the foot over the final couple weekends of the year. There's always one or two, but this year it felt like SO many teams blew their chances. Chances to make the playoffs, chances for the top seed, chances for the division title, etc. Was crazy seeing how so many final scores ultimately played out over the past 2 weeks.
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Glad to see that the Seahawks, Lions, and Jaguars went out on a high note.
I'll slightly modify that: Glad to see that the Seahawks went out. As for the week as a whole, it is amazing that we had 3 overtime games that all had playoff elimination implications. And on that same note, pretty cool that week 18 went down to the last second of the last game before we got a clear playoff picture.
Again, awesome game by the '9ers yesterday. That Dallas matchup is interesting. I think each team poses matchup problems for the other. Whichever team can best exploit those can win big, and I could honestly see it going either way. But at that point, I think it comes down to coaching. And that is where I give Shanahan a big edge. But we'll see.
Should be a good week of games. I look at every single one and see ways it could go either way, with the possible exceptions of Steelers @ Chiefs, which I see going the Chiefs' way. My picks:
-Raiders at Bengals: The Bengals have been up and down all season, and the Raiders have pulled out some surprise wins when nobody expected them to. But the Raiders are a mess, and if the Bengals can stay focused, they should be able to pull off the win.
-Pats at Bills: No idea, so I'm just giving the edge to the home team, especially in light of their win streak to close out the season. The main thing that makes me nervous is the coach. You never count BB out, especially when he already has two games' worth of experience against your team this season.
-Eagles at Bucs: This is hard. I would legitimately see it go the other way, especially how Tampa has been playing lately. But for so many years, I have seen a similar scenario where a Brady-led team limps into the playoffs, doesn't look very impressive, but eaks out wins each week until they find themselves in the SB. I wouldn't mind seeing that. And if it somehow ends up being '9ers at Bucs in the NFC championship, I may have to buy my son a ticket to the game (and maybe fly out there to see it with him).
-49ers at Cowboys: As I said above, I think Shanahan figures out how to win the matchups that put the 49ers in the win column.
-Steelers at Chiefs: I'd love to see the Steelers advance almost as much as I'd love to see the Chiefs eliminated. I'm just not confident that the latter will happen this week. I would love to be wrong, but this is the easiest of the six games to call for me.
-Cardinals at Rams: The Rams have beaten some quality teams the last few weeks, whereas the Cardinals have gone the opposite direction. Every individual aspect of the game that I look at says "Rams." But I just think they will be shook up more by yesterday's loss, and that the Cardinals players have had enough of losing games they should win, and will come in feeling they have something to prove. If they don't get beat too bad by the Rams' pass rush, that could be enough.
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This was a good Monday morning to wake up as a Titans fan. Woot!
And, separately, despite my jovial mood and sunny disposition today, I have a legit question:
How is Vrabel not a complete runaway lock for Coach of the Year?
- Most injury/illness-ravaged team in NFL history (obliterated previous NFL record by fielding 92 different players this season)
- Lost franchise player less than half way through the season
- Roster apparently so mediocre only ONE player selected to pro-bowl (as opposed to, say, the media-darling-yet-out-of-playoff Colts, who had SEVEN!)
- "Titans are worst #1 seed since..." disrespectful "analysis" all over the place
- Yet Titans did, in fact, achieve the AFC #1 seed on merit (and with quite an impressive resume of contender scalps along the way)
So how can the above be true, yet Vrabel not be automatic for that award? Most voices I'm hearing have him 2nd or 3rd.
Not that i'm shocked the Titans may not be getting media love. It's ALWAYS been that way in that franchise's history (with the possible exception of the early 90s Warren Moon run-and-shoot years), and Titans fans are totally used to it. What we're loving these days is how the team mentality/character/culture seems to match that of the fanbase. Screw the national spotlight (or lack thereof), or the tough circumstances, or the injuries, or the latest flashy player/team, or whatever... go win anyway. I know it's par-for-the-course for every contending team in every sport to find ways to paint/motivate themselves as the disrespected underdog, but in the Titans' case, they sure don't have to look far because the media make it REALLY easy...
Outside of Titan-world, I don't recall seeing so many teams shoot themselves in the foot over the final couple weekends of the year. There's always one or two, but this year it felt like SO many teams blew their chances. Chances to make the playoffs, chances for the top seed, chances for the division title, etc. Was crazy seeing how so many final scores ultimately played out over the past 2 weeks.
I'm with you. Vrabel should be a slam dunk, near unanimous COTY. On top of the points you already made, they have a lot of impressive victories over the likes of the Bills, Chiefs and Rams.
I'd give Sean Payton some consideration if he could have gotten that shit show in the playoffs, but alas, it wasn't meant to be.
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Lol Colts :rollin :rollin
Awesome, dramatic finish to the season. Ben making clutch throws in 4th qtr & overtime, Josh Jacobs balling to get the Raiders into field goal range, and the Colts and Wentz choking.
Phi at TB - we all know how this goes. Hurts will throw at least 3 picks.
LV at Cin - the Bengals’ killer trio of receivers will prove to be too much
SF at Dal - should be a great game, Dal should win with superior firepower
Pit at KC - can TJ Watt force a couple turnovers to stave off a beat down? Unlikely.
NE at Buf - hopefully a great rubber-game fight. Buffalo I believe will triumph but hoping for NE.
Ari at LAR - ooh another inter-division matchup. Leaning toward the Rams.
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Lol Colts :rollin :rollin
Awesome, dramatic finish to the season. Ben making clutch throws in 4th qtr & overtime, Josh Jacobs balling to get the Raiders into field goal range, and the Colts and Wentz choking.
Phi at TB - we all know how this goes. Hurts will throw at least 3 picks.
LV at Cin - the Bengals’ killer trio of receivers will prove to be too much
SF at Dal - should be a great game, Dal should win with superior firepower
Pit at KC - can TJ Watt force a couple turnovers to stave off a beat down? Unlikely.
NE at Buf - hopefully a great rubber-game fight. Buffalo I believe will triumph but hoping for NE.
Ari at LAR - ooh another inter-division matchup. Leaning toward the Rams.
Those are some potentially good football games.
I think Philly has no chance; that could be a blowout.
I think that LV/Cincy game is a must watch if they both show up.
I think Dallas has the roadmap; get ahead early, rely on that running game and MAKE Jimmy G. not make crucial mistakes (like he has done in the past).
I think this is potenitally the type of game that makes me love football. I think everyone expects KC to romp, but they're not peaking right now, and Pittsburgh has the mental and physical toughness to take advantage of that.
I think that if the LV/Cincy and Pitt/KC games don't deliver, this one will. In a game like this - it's supposed to be COLD and snowy in Buffalo - it's hard to root against Belichick/McDaniel. The wildcard is if Mac can maintain his poise.
I think that the Rams are going to blow out the Cardinals. I just think that they are better coached, and have too many on board who have something to prove; compare that to the Cardinals, who are an immature team and I think are going to fold under the pressure of the playoffs.
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Even as a Bucs homer, I'm not entirely confident in Philly shitting the bed, the Bucs have been in a weird rotating flux of injured players the past few weeks. While they ultimately have been overcoming them in the end to win the game, all it takes is really one team and one game to put an end to the mid-game resurgence. They have been slow to and finding their footing has taken time. They are getting in rhythm at the time when it counts, I'm confident the team will deliver but still am very nervous about proclaiming them outright favorites. Unless the Bucs have a fantastic start it's going to be close.
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Mark me down as another who was shocked that Flores was fired. I guess it shows how clueless the Dolphins organization is and why they have mostly been irrelevant since Marino retired.
He will likely have another head coaching job quickly and some team will get a good one.
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Mark me down as another who was shocked that Flores was fired. I guess it shows how clueless the Dolphins organization is and why they have mostly been irrelevant since Marino retired.
He will likely have another head coaching job quickly and some team will get a good one.
I watched Adam Schecter on the afternoon show with Max Zimmerman (it's the TV version of the morning radio show) and he clearly knows something because he was very clear that in his opinion, Flores is easily the top candidate of the available coaches to fill the what, six or seven open positions. And I agree.
We didn't mention it, but Dave Gettleman "retired" from the Giants (there's no doubt that he was pushed). I feel like even though Joe Judge was given a vote of confidence a couple weeks ago, that any GM coming in is likely going to at a minimum reserve the right to make his/her own decision.
It was interesting that Zimmerman had Louis Riddick on; I'm a huge fan, and I think he's not going to be in the broadcast booth much longer; that guy needs to be running an organization and SOON. He was EXTREMELY critical of the Dolphins, and while Schecter and Mike Tannenbaum were quicker to give the 'phins a pass - calling this "organizational realignment", Riddick could barely contain himself saying that the only guy working to align the organization was Flores. I'd love to see him in New York, running that organization. Giants would be contenders in three years (with or without Judge, with or without Jones).
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I'm hoping Dan Quinn likes being a defensive coordinator more than being a HC. :corn
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Check out the article at The Ringer- Flores was likely fired over politics.
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I'm hoping Dan Quinn likes being a defensive coordinator more than being a HC. :corn
I hope he stays in Dallas, and I hope Dallas destroys San-Fran this Sunday. 😁
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I'm hoping Dan Quinn likes being a defensive coordinator more than being a HC. :corn
I hope he stays in Dallas, and I hope Dallas destroys San-Fran this Sunday. 😁
Same here, but not holding my breath on Quinn or a win. :lol Depends on the outcome I suppose.
Looks like Quinn is the front runner for the Denver job. Can't really see him going there.
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Apparently, according to both Stafford and McVeigh, there were so many 49ers fans at SoFi on Sunday that the fan noise was making it difficult for the Rams to communicate in the huddle. On one hand, as a 49ers fan, I think it's pretty cool that our fans showed up in such force. On the other hand, that's a really bad look for L.A. I know L.A. has long been somewhat of a "fair weather" sports town, but that just takes it to a new level.
Anyhow, since the '9ers fans were out in such force, I hope that it was mostly the good ones that traveled, and that they represented the fan base well. Having been to a few home games at Levi's Stadium, I have seen firsthand how rude some of the 49er fanbase can be to visiting fans, which is disappointing.
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Anyhow, since the '9ers fans were out in such force, I hope that it was mostly the good ones that traveled, and that they represented the fan base well. Having been to a few home games at Levi's Stadium, I have seen firsthand how rude some of the 49er fanbase can be to visiting fans, which is disappointing.
Having been to a few games at <insert stadiums>, I have seen firsthand how rude some of the <insert teams> fanbase can be to visiting fans, which is disappointing.
Doesn't matter if it's pro, college, hell, even high school, there's always the idiots. Oh, and it doesn't matter the sport. My wife and I were going to go up to Philly and see a RedWings game in a few weeks. We were not going to wear anything red (or anything Baltimore for that matter).
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Yeah, I hear you. It's pretty disappointing that people can be that way. I mean, when I see a Seahawks jersey at Levi's, I'm angry and disgusted. But that being said, those people should be able to wear their team's colors and cheer their team on in a "hostile" environment, provided that they are respectful about it, and shouldn't be treated disrespectfully just because of their fandom.
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Depends on the city. I went to a MNF game at Foxboro and the Texans fans, and there were plenty of them, were all treated just fine. Any ribbing was good natured. I haven't been to a Cowboys game in 30 years, but I suspect the same would hold true here. Eagles fans could expect some scorn, but I doubt people would let it get out of hand.
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Depends on the city. I went to a MNF game at Foxboro and the Texans fans, and there were plenty of them, were all treated just fine. Any ribbing was good natured. I haven't been to a Cowboys game in 30 years, but I suspect the same would hold true here. Eagles fans could expect some scorn, but I doubt people would let it get out of hand.
I can vouch for Foxboro that way. It's all in good fun. I wouldn't wear a Giants' jersey to Lincoln Stadium in Philly though. As much as I love my adopted city (I'd move back there in a HEARTBEAT if my wife would go) they are not the exemplars of good fan behavior.
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Depends on the city. I went to a MNF game at Foxboro and the Texans fans, and there were plenty of them, were all treated just fine. Any ribbing was good natured. I haven't been to a Cowboys game in 30 years, but I suspect the same would hold true here. Eagles fans could expect some scorn, but I doubt people would let it get out of hand.
I can vouch for Foxboro that way. It's all in good fun. I wouldn't wear a Giants' jersey to Lincoln Stadium in Philly though. As much as I love my adopted city (I'd move back there in a HEARTBEAT if my wife would go) they are not the exemplars of good fan behavior.
Seems to me that they're exemplary of the very worst of scumbag behavior.
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the very worst of scumbag behavior.
That'd be the Raiders when they were in Oakland.
I used to go to Broncos games in San Diego and wear my Broncos gear. No problem there because the crowd was at least 25% Broncos fans. I'd do the same at the new Inglewood stadium.
But I wouldn't dream of wearing Broncos gear to a game at the Raiders game (although maybe it's different now in Vegas). Nor would I wear Dodgers gear to an SF Giants game (unless I was going as part of a large group).
I had a friend who was a long-time Buccaneers fan (he died last January after a long cancer battle). A few years back, he and his wife (a 49ers fan) went to a Bucs game against the Raiders in Oakland, and he managed to get seats in or near "the black hole." He said he got some ribbing, but he was a super chill guy and went with it, so he said the the local wildlife was pretty cool. Of course, I don't imagine they'd have extended the same courtesies to a Broncos fan.
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the very worst of scumbag behavior.
That'd be the Raiders when they were in Oakland.
I used to go to Broncos games in San Diego and wear my Broncos gear. No problem there because the crowd was at least 25% Broncos fans. I'd do the same at the new Inglewood stadium.
But I wouldn't dream of wearing Broncos gear to a game at the Raiders game (although maybe it's different now in Vegas). Nor would I wear Dodgers gear to an SF Giants game (unless I was going as part of a large group).
I had a friend who was a long-time Buccaneers fan (he died last January after a long cancer battle). A few years back, he and his wife (a 49ers fan) went to a Bucs game against the Raiders in Oakland, and he managed to get seats in or near "the black hole." He said he got some ribbing, but he was a super chill guy and went with it, so he said the the local wildlife was pretty cool. Of course, I don't imagine they'd have extended the same courtesies to a Broncos fan.
I have been to a Raiders game in Oakland with my Broncos gear on. Maybe more than 20 years ago. I think before people really hurt people with no conscience at all. I was with my mom :heart. I grew up going to Broncos games (lucky enough to have season tickets and Went to the Superbowl in San Diego where they beat the Packers - such an awesome day!) I can remember when it was MNF and Howard Cosell and the crew were there and we played the Raiders. Wild, fun and no one got hurt. I do think it was the 1st time I saw the F-bomb in a public area (and not again for a loooong time) when there was a banner being walked around Mile-High F#$k Cosell. :omg: The Denver fans always disliked the MNF crew as we never got any respect. Or so we thought.
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Ah signs....
Villanova cheerleaders, god bless them, used to walk around the concourse at basketball games holding up a big white sign with the stylized "V". I have witnessed twice, once at Gampel Pavilion (in Storrs) and once at the 'Nova facility an earnest Uconn fan walking behind the cheerleader in question with a home-made sign "agina", until, both times, he was asked by security to take it somewhere else. :)
Not exactly intellectual humor, but funny nonetheless.
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Joe Judge fired by the Giants. This was the right decision.
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Joe Judge fired by the Giants. This was the right decision.
Yes. The 3rd and 9 QB sneak sealed it.
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Ah signs....
Villanova cheerleaders, god bless them, used to walk around the concourse at basketball games holding up a big white sign with the stylized "V". I have witnessed twice, once at Gampel Pavilion (in Storrs) and once at the 'Nova facility an earnest Uconn fan walking behind the cheerleader in question with a home-made sign "agina", until, both times, he was asked by security to take it somewhere else. :)
Not exactly intellectual humor, but funny nonetheless.
My Congressman growing up was Norm Dicks. The N on his election signs was slanted so it was easy to just add a line and make it look like a W, which was done frequently.
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Joe Judge fired by the Giants. This was the right decision.
Yes. The 3rd and 9 QB sneak sealed it.
That was one of the most ridiculous plays I've ever seen.
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Joe Judge fired by the Giants. This was the right decision.
Yes. The 3rd and 9 QB sneak sealed it.
That was one of the most ridiculous plays I've ever seen.
Apparently, that was preceded by a QB sneak on 2nd and 11. So yeah not a good look.
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Nothing beats that 4th down call by the Colts where only the center and QB lined up with the rest of thr team was set up for an onside kick.
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Nothing beats that 4th down call by the Colts where only the center and QB lined up with the rest of thr team was set up for an onside kick.
I think you mean the fake punt. So much to like about that. The plan was to catch NE with 12 men on the field, or haven them line up in an illegal formation. The Patriots ST simply checked off their players and said "yeah, we got this." Also, not only was it a fundamentally stupid play to snap the ball, but Indi couldn't even pull it off without a penalty for their illegal formation.
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Nothing beats that 4th down call by the Colts where only the center and QB lined up with the rest of thr team was set up for an onside kick.
I think you mean the fake punt. So much to like about that. The plan was to catch NE with 12 men on the field, or haven them line up in an illegal formation. The Patriots ST simply checked off their players and said "yeah, we got this." Also, not only was it a fundamentally stupid play to snap the ball, but Indi couldn't even pull it off without a penalty for their illegal formation.
The live commentary was also golden.
Collinsworth: “What… the… heck?”
Michaels: “What in the world?……. You tell me…..”
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Interesting take on ESPN Radio this morning (Mike Greenburg) that I don't know I buy into, but Aaron Rodgers was on a podcast and, without prompting, brought up the 3rd down QB sneak by Joe Judge, and said something to the effect of "Yeah, Matt (LaFluer, his coach) send that play in and see what happens". Greenburg's take is, John Mara heard that exchange and realized that the second-premier (behind Brady) QB in the league and reigning MVP was mocking their organization, and, faced with the prospect that IF Rodgers does decide to leave Green Bay would consider the Giants a laughing stock, and took action.
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Joe Judge fired by the Giants. This was the right decision.
Yes. The 3rd and 9 QB sneak sealed it.
That was one of the most ridiculous plays I've ever seen.
The Chargers 4th down attempt on their own 18 YL with about 8 mins to go in 3rd qtr is a pretty close 2nd on the ridiculous scale.
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Nothing beats that 4th down call by the Colts where only the center and QB lined up with the rest of thr team was set up for an onside kick.
I think you mean the fake punt. So much to like about that. The plan was to catch NE with 12 men on the field, or haven them line up in an illegal formation. The Patriots ST simply checked off their players and said "yeah, we got this." Also, not only was it a fundamentally stupid play to snap the ball, but Indi couldn't even pull it off without a penalty for their illegal formation.
Yes, The fake punt. I still have the image of just the 2 Colts players lined up.
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Joe Judge fired by the Giants. This was the right decision.
Yes. The 3rd and 9 QB sneak sealed it.
That was one of the most ridiculous plays I've ever seen.
The Chargers 4th down attempt on their own 18 YL with about 8 mins to go in 3rd qtr is a pretty close 2nd on the ridiculous scale.
Yep, there have been some real winners lately lol
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Nothing beats that 4th down call by the Colts where only the center and QB lined up with the rest of thr team was set up for an onside kick.
I think you mean the fake punt. So much to like about that. The plan was to catch NE with 12 men on the field, or haven them line up in an illegal formation. The Patriots ST simply checked off their players and said "yeah, we got this." Also, not only was it a fundamentally stupid play to snap the ball, but Indi couldn't even pull it off without a penalty for their illegal formation.
The live commentary was also golden.
Collinsworth: “What… the… heck?”
Michaels: “What in the world?……. You tell me…..”
There's a nearly 12-minute video on YouTube where Pat McAfee explained what was supposed to happen there. It's kinda funny.
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Nothing beats that 4th down call by the Colts where only the center and QB lined up with the rest of thr team was set up for an onside kick.
I think you mean the fake punt. So much to like about that. The plan was to catch NE with 12 men on the field, or haven them line up in an illegal formation. The Patriots ST simply checked off their players and said "yeah, we got this." Also, not only was it a fundamentally stupid play to snap the ball, but Indi couldn't even pull it off without a penalty for their illegal formation.
The live commentary was also golden.
Collinsworth: “What… the… heck?”
Michaels: “What in the world?……. You tell me…..”
There's a nearly 12-minute video on YouTube where Pat McAfee explained what was supposed to happen there. It's kinda funny.
Pat McAfee is absolutely hysterical. His story about Troy Polamalu lining up in the c-gap and ruining his day is a classic, as is his story about Peyton Manning kicking Austin Collie off the field.
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Interesting take on ESPN Radio this morning (Mike Greenburg) that I don't know I buy into, but Aaron Rodgers was on a podcast and, without prompting, brought up the 3rd down QB sneak by Joe Judge, and said something to the effect of "Yeah, Matt (LaFluer, his coach) send that play in and see what happens". Greenburg's take is, John Mara heard that exchange and realized that the second-premier (behind Brady) QB in the league and reigning MVP was mocking their organization, and, faced with the prospect that IF Rodgers does decide to leave Green Bay would consider the Giants a laughing stock, and took action.
It was on the Pat McAfee show who is hilarious sometimes and has Rodgers on almost every week I believe. This is the clip (https://youtu.be/Wps8MizEbhQ?t=1784)with timestamped around the 29 min that then leads to the point about the QB sneak.
Rodgers brought up that Giants play when he was talking about the nonsense regarding playing for the tie between Raiders and Chargers and how you always play to win the game, to quote a coach.
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Nothing beats that 4th down call by the Colts where only the center and QB lined up with the rest of thr team was set up for an onside kick.
I think you mean the fake punt. So much to like about that. The plan was to catch NE with 12 men on the field, or haven them line up in an illegal formation. The Patriots ST simply checked off their players and said "yeah, we got this." Also, not only was it a fundamentally stupid play to snap the ball, but Indi couldn't even pull it off without a penalty for their illegal formation.
The live commentary was also golden.
Collinsworth: “What… the… heck?”
Michaels: “What in the world?……. You tell me…..”
There's a nearly 12-minute video on YouTube where Pat McAfee explained what was supposed to happen there. It's kinda funny.
Pat McAfee is absolutely hysterical. His story about Troy Polamalu lining up in the c-gap and ruining his day is a classic, as is his story about Peyton Manning kicking Austin Collie off the field.
Haha yeah that's exactly what I was thinking, I think it's his most watched clip on his channel. Some guy even made like an animated walkthrough of it that was hilarious too.
Bill Burr came on his show a couple of times too and those were great. Once was right before the Colts and Pats game this season and Bill making fun of the Colts was gold that whole time.
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I can't believe the Raiders. I gave up on them when they were 6-7. They go on to win their last 4 and make the playoffs???? :o :metal
Not confident in the Rams after choking against the Niners. ::)
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(https://i.imgur.com/FaCNCYj.jpg)
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And the last Raiders playoff win occurred before the existence of Facebook.
Something's got to give.
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At least the Bengals had some playoff wins before then, and two Super Bowl appearances.
The Lions only playoff win in my lifetime.....January 5, 1992. Thank goodness for moving to Baltimore in 2000 (amongst other things ;))
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That's fascinating. I'm pretty sure I will be going down the rabbit hole in my head about that ("No one in history has ever sent a text message about how great Randy Rhoads was in concert last night.")
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(https://i.imgur.com/FaCNCYj.jpg)
I call BS. Is it not possible that someone has sent a text that said, "Hey...remember the Freezer Bowl in 1982? Good times!"?
At least the Bengals' drought should end this year...although the Bengals have never won a playoff game with a Democrat in the White House.
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I think you're missing the point guys. There were no cellphones in the public when the Bengals won their last playoff game.
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There were no cellphones capable of sending texts in the public when the Bengals won their last playoff game.
ftfy
Plenty of cellphones pre-1991.
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Nobody else is picking the games? That's unusual. We typically have half the forum picking the entire playoff bracket by Monday evening after the close of the regular season. :lol
Hearing breakdowns on the Cowboys the last few days, and taking a look at their team, I am getting increasingly confident of a 49ers win. The Cowboys have legitimate talent, and looking at their record, when it comes down to it, wins are wins. But that being said, the last half of the season, they beat only one legitimate playoff contender: the Saints back six weeks ago. I'm not even counting the win over the Eagles last week, since it was Cowboys' starters vs. Eagles' backups. And, yes, again I will concede that a win is a win. And momentum is a big deal. But they haven't had any serious challenge in the last several weeks, and I think if they come up thinking they can put up 40 or 50 on SF, they are going to be shellshocked midway through their first or second offensive possession of the game when they can't move the ball as easily, their running game is stymied, and their QB is under constant duress.
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There were no cellphones capable of sending texts in the public when the Bengals won their last playoff game.
ftfy
Plenty of cellphones pre-1991.
1983 the first mobile phone hit the market.
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I think your chances go up as we move through the week.
I'm beginning to think that Mike McCarthy is out if they lose this game. Dallas has two assistants that are hot commodities on the coaching market - Dan Quinn and Kellen Moore - and there is NO WAY that Jerry Jones goes home early this year AND lets those two go out the door. He even slipped in an interview earlier this week saying that it is "expected" that they win the Super Bowl this year.
My picks:
Phi at TB - This game isn't close.
LV at Cin - This is a coin flip for me, and I'm going with the Bengals because the game is in Cincy.
SF at Dal - This is going to be close, and will boil down to "who makes the least amount and least dangerous mistakes"
Pit at KC - Head picks the Chiefs; I will be waving a Terrible Towel all afternoon.
NE at Buf - Heart CERTAINLY picks the Pats, but I honestly think they will win. Belichick has McDermott's number.
Ari at LAR - Unless the Rams implode I think this has the potential to be a blowout.
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Nobody else is picking the games? That's unusual. We typically have half the forum picking the entire playoff bracket by Monday evening after the close of the regular season. :lol
Hearing breakdowns on the Cowboys the last few days, and taking a look at their team, I am getting increasingly confident of a 49ers win. The Cowboys have legitimate talent, and looking at their record, when it comes down to it, wins are wins. But that being said, the last half of the season, they beat only one legitimate playoff contender: the Saints back six weeks ago. I'm not even counting the win over the Eagles last week, since it was Cowboys' starters vs. Eagles' backups. And, yes, again I will concede that a win is a win. And momentum is a big deal. But they haven't had any serious challenge in the last several weeks, and I think if they come up thinking they can put up 40 or 50 on SF, they are going to be shellshocked midway through their first or second offensive possession of the game when they can't move the ball as easily, their running game is stymied, and their QB is under constant duress.
I kinda picked winners but not scores, I'll submit scores before Saturday just for the heck of it.
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I'm beginning to think that Mike McCarthy is out if they lose this game. Dallas has two assistants that are hot commodities on the coaching market - Dan Quinn and Kellen Moore - and there is NO WAY that Jerry Jones goes home early this year AND lets those two go out the door. He even slipped in an interview earlier this week saying that it is "expected" that they win the Super Bowl this year.
Yeah, I don't see it. While, again, they do have some serious weapons on both sides of the ball, as a whole, I have to classify them as "pretenders" when it comes to SB contention. Even if they survive the 49ers, I don't see them winning the NFC.
Phi at TB - This game isn't close
I'm not so sure. TB is beat up. And forget about the blowout this past week. Again, Philly were playing their backups and resting the starters. I think this is a lot closer than you do.
Pit at KC - Head picks the Chiefs; I will be waving a Terrible Towel all afternoon.
Same.
Ari at LAR - Unless the Rams implode I think this has the potential to be a blowout.
I don't disagree. ...except that I think the contingency you identified--the Rams imploding--is not unlikely.
I kinda picked winners but not scores, I'll submit scores before Saturday just for the heck of it.
Yeah, I saw yours. But you were pretty much the only one. I don't really care about predicting scores. That has always seemed arbitrary and silly to me.
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Every single time I pick the playoff field, not only am I wrong, but the winner ends up being one of the absolute last teams I want to see win. This time, to avoid that, I’m expecting the worst, so if I’m wrong, I’m at least okay with it.
AFC
2: KC vs 6: PIT
3: BUF vs 6: NE
4: CIN vs 5: LV
1: TEN vs 6: NE
2: KC 5: LV
2: KC vs 6: NE
NFC
2: TB vs 7: PHI
3: DAL vs 6: SF
4: LAR vs 5: ARI
1: GB vs 6: SF
2: TB vs 4: LAR
1: GB vs 2: TB
SUPER BOWL LVI
AFC 6: NE vs NFC 2: TB
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Wow, that's aggressive. I love it, don't get me wrong, but it's aggressive.
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I too think the PHI-TB game is close. I'm happy the Bucs are getting back some big named players back on defense this week and hopefully, the offense clicks from the get-go but the last few games they've been slow to start and if they get out of rhythm for long it's going to be really hard to get back in.
Picks are
CIN vs LV - CIN
BUF vs NE - NE
PHI vs TB - TB
SF vs DAL - SF
KC vs PIT - KC
AZ vs LA - LA
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My picks:
Phi at TB - Seems pretty obvious.
LV at Cin - I don't think I saw a second of Bengals football this season, but the Raiders lucked into the playoffs, and I see them exiting with a whimper.
SF at Dal - This is either going to be close or will be a blowout for Dallas. I won't be surprised if SF wins, but I think Dallas gets it one way or the other.
Pit at KC - Illogical, perhaps, but I feel like Roethlisberger gets one final, shining moment before retirement.
NE at Buf - This one's a coin flip. Neither result will surprise me.
Ari at LAR - Cards beat the Rams fairly convincingly in Inglewood and then barely lost at home. Stafford's 0-for-the-playoffs will continue.
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'Easy' picks: Bucs and Chiefs
Flip a coin, and I come up with the Bengals, Cowboys, Bills, and Cards
Viewing: I'll tune in for the second halves of Saturday's games, and the 49ers-Cowboys. By then, I'll be footballed out. Well, I should say 'coach and QB zoom shotted' out. I am so interested to see who shines or doesn't as to the Rams-Cards, but having a Monday night game is just total B$.
'the more you have, the less you have'......
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having a Monday night game is just total B$.
Especially if whoever wins that game is made to play on Saturday the following weekend.
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'Easy' picks: Bucs
My picks:
Phi at TB - Seems pretty obvious.
My picks:
Phi at TB - This game isn't close.
Been listening to a lot of local beat reporters this season who have been doing quite a good job of keeping track of the team's expectations and progress. This past week I think they've all been saying the PHI-TB game will not be a blowout like everyone think. In fact they think it's the game that most likely is the best candidate to be an upset. The Bucs defense is really banged up and Philly offensively is a ton better than the team they played last October. As amazing as Brady and that Offensive line is, it's been a rotating carousel of the WRs and RBs and they have been taking a really long time to get set in the last few games, and that can do them in.
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I wouldn't be too shocked at any upsets this weekend, honestly. I think that most of the games will be fairly close, and decided by who takes care of the ball the best.
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I look forward to the Eagles beating the Bucs.
Just a feeling.
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A MNF game does seem kind of wrong. At the same time, there is something to be said for the games being staggered over a few days, thus delaying completion of the big picture. I liked how the PIT/CLE MNF game wk17 was one of the puzzle pieces for the week 18 slew of games, with Saturday being another. That's more interesting than everything being resolved all at once.
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I'm almost tempted to change my pick to AZ, they get JJ Watt back and have really played well on the road. But not sure who calm Murray can be in the playoffs, he seems to let things affect him during the game.
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I wouldn't be too shocked at any upsets this weekend, honestly. I think that most of the games will be fairly close, and decided by who takes care of the ball the best.
I've been hearing a lot of people say that; that no outcome will really be a surprise. I sort of see that point of view, but that Tampa game is the one game that I think is the biggest stretch. The Rams - as unpredictable as they can be - are second, especially if the Rams can get an early lead and hold it into the second half. At that point, I see Murray collapsing in a puddle of his own flop sweat midway through the fourth quarter. I'm not a fan.
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Seven of us at work did a fun little pool where we all threw in $20 and each picked a team from each conference out of a hat. Whoever has the team that wins the Super Bowl, wins all of the money (except for $20; that goes back to the guy whose team makes the Super Bowl and loses).
I got Green Bay and New England.
I was pleased.
The guy who got Philly and Vegas was not. He has already told us we should thank him for his donation. :lol :lol
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Cin 30 LV 23
Buf 24 NE 16
TB 27 Phi 20
Dal 31 SF 30
KC 27 Pit 17
LAR 27 Ari 24
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The Bengals end their drought.
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Stoked for Cincy fans. The last time they won a playoff game, When Dream and Day Unite was the only Dream Theater album to exist.
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Bad officiating and Drew Brees' toothless and inept analysis aside, that was a fun game. Gotta be happy for long-suffering Bengals fans. :tup :tup
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The Bengals end their drought.
Hopefully we now won't have to listen to Raiders fans whine for 20 years about that touchdown where the whistle blew.
Also, Lions are now on the clock.
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The first thing I said to my wife when the game ended. :D
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Nice to see the Bengals win and a competitive game.
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Bad officiating and Drew Brees' toothless and inept analysis aside, that was a fun game. Gotta be happy for long-suffering Bengals fans. :tup :tup
Between Brees and whoever the white pre-game guy was I kind of expected Susana Hoffs to be the game's MVP.
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Bad officiating and Drew Brees' toothless and inept analysis aside, that was a fun game. Gotta be happy for long-suffering Bengals fans. :tup :tup
Between Brees and whoever the white pre-game guy was I kind of expected Susana Hoffs to be the game's MVP.
:lol :lol
I was stunned that Brees, a future Hall of Famer, agreed with the decision for Carr to spike it on 1st down at the end. He spiked it at 29 seconds!! Plenty of time to settle the team down and hike it at 20-22 seconds. That still gives you time for four plays if they are needed, but instead they wasted a down. And Brees agreed with it!! Unreal.
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Buffalo made that look easy. If you do not contain Allen, this game will be over in the 1st quarter.
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Apparently it's too cold for the Pats' Defense to tackle anyone.
Gunner, WTF??
OK Mac..lt's try not to throw a Pick-6.
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Damn. Nice play by Buffalo.
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Good throw, awesome play by the Bills defender.
And that TD throw by Allen was amazing.
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Damn. Nice play by Buffalo.
Hyde didn't look like he even saw the ball until he reached out and grabbed it.
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Damn. Nice play by Buffalo.
Hyde didn't look like he even saw the ball until he reached out and grabbed it.
Aghelor should've noticed the pass was short and just slowed down and turned into the defender. He would've probably gotten a PI.
Bolden with an awful drop.
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The Pats' D is fucking awful tonight. The Bills' receivers are so open.
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Damn this Bills team isn't letting up. Going to be interesting to see how the Pats bounce back.
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They won't. Offense not built to do so. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it.
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They won't. This game is over. Their D was not prepared to play this game.
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They won't. Offense not built to do so.
The thing is, they moved the ball down the field. They had the Bills at the 20 after the INT, and then the first play is a 24 yarder to a wide open guy??
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The D can't stop them either. This game is over.
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(https://c.tenor.com/UgGgOheDm_QAAAAC/steve-belichick.gif)
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Bill Belichick's legacy is pushing out the greatest player ever. Brady covered all his misgivings as a GM.
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Gunner is killing them on special teams. Just not smart.
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Their D is killing them tonight. Gunner wouldn't be an issue if the can get off the field.
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Jesus fuck, it's cold at this game.
I am loving this game so far. Sorry, king.
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Hell yeah I'm loving this
Though as a Jets fan it's kinda like choosing between the Taliban and Isis.
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Though as a Jets fan it's kinda like choosing between the Taliban and Isis.
:lol
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Bill Belichick's legacy is pushing out the greatest player ever. Brady covered all his misgivings as a GM.
Yeah, that's just silly, dude.
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Bill Belichick's legacy is pushing out the greatest player ever. Brady covered all his misgivings as a GM.
Yeah, that's just silly, dude.
You and I know that you'll hear that from the media. Don't deny it. It is true.
You and I know it takes a great QB and a great coach to do what they do but the media will make that stink stick.
Honestly, I'm upset that it got to that point that Brady left. Look at his #'s. Not that he would have that here but who's fault is that?
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So the Pats need to score a FG now to make it 27-3 to begin the comeback in the 2nd half right?
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it takes a great QB and a great couch to do what they do but the media will make that stink stick.
:zydarscouch:
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I fixed it. Lol
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So the Pats need to score a FG now to make it 27-3 to begin the comeback in the 2nd half right?
The stage is set for the comeback to begin.
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I told my brother that I'll go to church tomorrow if Mac Jones has a 4 pick game.
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I told my brother that I'll go to church tomorrow if Mac Jones has a 4 pick game.
Pictures or it didn't happen. Lol
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The Bills average 9.1 yards per play.
Holy shit.
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Wide open.
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The Celtics are up by 1. ;D
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Yeah ok maybe this game is over, the Bills offense is unstoppable right now.
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Bill Belichick's legacy is pushing out the greatest player ever. Brady covered all his misgivings as a GM.
Spoken like a true TB12 stan. :P :P
BB's legacy is set in stone and "pushing" out Brady will barely be a blip on the radar.
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Joe's hoping to get a deal on one of those new $200 t-shirts.
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The good news for Josh Allen is that there is a chance that the Patriots starting QB might actually shake his hand when this game is over.
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Bill Belichick's legacy is pushing out the greatest player ever. Brady covered all his misgivings as a GM.
Spoken like a true TB12 stan. :P :P
BB's legacy is set in stone and "pushing" out Brady will barely be a blip on the radar.
You obviously don't listen to local sports talk and read local papers. Of course it's cemented in stone but that stone is xhipped.
Spoken like an outsider.
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Narratives by the media and sports talk radio, the latter of which is one of the biggest toilets in the media world, are meaningless. You know this.
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The good news for Josh Allen is that there is a chance that the Patriots starting QB might actually shake his hand when this game is over.
:lol
This is true.
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Narratives by the media and sports talk radio, the latter of which is one of the biggest toilets in the media world, are meaningless. You know this.
Sure but I get to hear it every day. Trust me, the station hear, most negative gets the highest ratings. Ask Tim. He listens to them. Lol
Bill's legacy is set in stone. Doesn't mean I can't be pissed at him for blowing up a great thing.
He bitched about how tight the cap was after the 2019 season? Who put then in that position?
Can I at least bitch about how BB the GM put them in that position with poor drafts and allowed the greatest player ever to sour about his situation?
Funny how people think I'm silly about that.
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Bitch away. Just don't get annoyed when you get a little push back (which you know is all in good fun). ;)
And listening to local sports talk radio is your first mistake. No matter what city it is, it is awful. Just the worst of the worst, when it comes to hosts and call-in listeners.
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Hey, I bleed sports. Lol. I actually am made at BB. Still next year you know I'll be wearing my Pats gear proudly.
And Kudos to the Bills. I love their fans and hope they beat KC if given the chance.
Or the Titans.
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6 possessions for Buffalo, 6 TD's.
Can I blame BB now El Barto?
I know he's only the coach & GM.
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I will say this: McDermott is the real deal as a head coach. Didn't we all think he was a little crazy when he said to give the Hoodie too much credit after that cold weather loss back in early December? It was like, oh, BB will make him pay for that. And the Bills have proceeded to whip their asses twice since. Well done, Bills.
I know this is stating the obvious, but it feels like Bills/Chiefs next week is the real AFCCG. Feels like the only thing preventing it could be if D. Henry comes back and goes all D. Henry. :lol :lol
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Definitely. That team has grown and follow his lead. He's built a winning attitude.
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I hope the Bills win at KC next week just to see Nick Wright eat a big pile of humble pie.
Of course, KC needs to beat Pittsburgh tomorrow first, which I guess all of us are assuming is a foregone conclusion, but stranger things have happened. Tomlin's teams usually play well when no one is giving them a chance.
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Me too. I've been to Buffalo for Pats games 3 times and their fans rock. Seriously, they are so much fun. I wish them the best. I hope they win it all.
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If the Bills continue to play this way I really wouldn't mind them winning the superbowl.
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Hell yeah I'm loving this
Though as a Jets fan it's kinda like choosing between the Taliban and Isis.
Hey the Bills are nowhere near as bad as the Pats and Fins. I don’t like the Bills, but my hatred for them will never compare to my complete hatred of the Dolphins or my unhealthy level of loathing for the Patriots.
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Can I say I'm pulling for the Bills? Their fan base deserves it.
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Bills just became the first team in NFL history to go an entire game without punting, kicking a field goal or turning the ball over. Amazing that it happened against a Belichick defense.
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Kev, add the last game they played as well.
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Bills just became the first team in NFL history to go an entire game without punting, kicking a field goal or turning the ball over. Amazing that it happened against a Belichick defense.
I think I read that the Bills offense gained yards on every single play. That means the Pats defense didn't stop a single down. That's is truly wild.
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I'm presently dealing with Covid. Traveled to Vegas last week for a publishing meeting. I didn't visit any casino, wore my masks, maintained distancing guidelines, washed my hands like a fiend and still...here I am. Despite being 3x vaxxed. Started getting sick on Sunday and was nearly hospitalized yesterday. My physician sent me for monoclonal antibodies yesterday with the message, "Keep your fingers crossed". Some of you may recall I had a nasty infection from a cut I suffered on holiday in Scotland several years ago, which nearly killed me. Nine different antibiotics over 60 days ruined my immune system.
I woke today feeling 100x improved, even though I'm still very sick. All of that for another thread.
The road to recovery could not have happened at a better time, as I am OVERJOYED at the moment.
Why?
WHO DEY, BABY!!!!
Let's go Bengals!!!!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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I'm presently dealing with Covid. Traveled to Vegas last week for a publishing meeting. I didn't visit any casino, wore my masks, maintained distancing guidelines, washed my hands like a fiend and still...here I am. Despite being 3x vaxxed. Started getting sick on Sunday and was nearly hospitalized yesterday. My physician sent me for monoclonal antibodies yesterday with the message, "Keep your fingers crossed". Some of you may recall I had a nasty infection from a cut I suffered on holiday in Scotland several years ago, which nearly killed me. Nine different antibiotics over 60 days ruined my immune system.
I woke today feeling 100x improved, even though I'm still very sick. All of that for another thread.
The road to recovery could not have happened at a better time, as I am OVERJOYED at the moment.
Why?
WHO DEY, BABY!!!!
Let's go Bengals!!!!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Glad you’re ok TV. Haven’t seen you much lately. I was wondering about you just a week or so ago. Good to see you around again.
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By the end of the first quarter about 4 things happened that never happened to NE while Brady was QB. Sorry Mr Mac Jones, you’re going to have to forge a very different path.
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I think a whole lot of people had unrealistic expectations. The Bills are currently a better football team than NE. If you didn't know that going in you just haven't been paying attention. People bought into the idea that Bill's big brain was enough to overcome that, and it's not. I didn't hesitate to give up the 4 points on Buf, which was honestly a bargain. I certainly didn't want to see a blowout, but I also knew that was more likely than an upset.
Joe, you can blame Bill all you want. One thing is clear, which is that he didn't have his team ready to play this week. As for the GM side, he's honestly done alright. He's busted some big picks, and he's knocked some late picks right out of the park. As for the team he has right now, this is their first season together. You've got a rookie QB and 5 receivers that haven't played together before. They'll all be back next year and they'll all work better together. Last year they were in cap hell.* This year they were out of it and significantly improved their team. It's not like Belichick is taking them in the wrong direction here. That they didn't turn into the 85 Bears in a season shouldn't be a big knock on Bill the GM.
As for the talk radio guys, who gives a fuck? Yes, I'm sure they'll spend the next three months talking about what a loser Bill Belichick is. That's their job. Doesn't make it true, though. It's just what they'll say to get people talking. They're one of the most irrelevant thins in the universe.
*And as you mentioned the cap situation, over the years Bill has done an incredible job managing NE's cap. For every team it's cyclical. Every few seasons you wind up in the hole. More often than not Bill has the Patriots in pretty good position, year in and year out. Not only cap space, but in number of picks to draft with.
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Wow. The Bills just made the biggest statement of the season. They are the undisputed best team in the AFC East. Pretty crazy that of the four teams still standing in the AFC after tomorrow, only one of them will have previously won a Super Bowl (the outcome of KC/PIT doesn’t change that fact). There’s a changing of the guard in the AFC and it’s amazing to watch unfold.
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I think a whole lot of people had unrealistic expectations. The Bills are currently a better football team than NE. If you didn't know that going in you just haven't been paying attention. People bought into the idea that Bill's big brain was enough to overcome that, and it's not. I didn't hesitate to give up the 4 points on Buf, which was honestly a bargain. I certainly didn't want to see a blowout, but I also knew that was more likely than an upset.
Joe, you can blame Bill all you want. One thing is clear, which is that he didn't have his team ready to play this week. As for the GM side, he's honestly done alright. He's busted some big picks, and he's knocked some late picks right out of the park. As for the team he has right now, this is their first season together. You've got a rookie QB and 5 receivers that haven't played together before. They'll all be back next year and they'll all work better together. Last year they were in cap hell.* This year they were out of it and significantly improved their team. It's not like Belichick is taking them in the wrong direction here. That they didn't turn into the 85 Bears in a season shouldn't be a big knock on Bill the GM.
As for the talk radio guys, who gives a fuck? Yes, I'm sure they'll spend the next three months talking about what a loser Bill Belichick is. That's their job. Doesn't make it true, though. It's just what they'll say to get people talking. They're one of the most irrelevant thins in the universe.
*And as you mentioned the cap situation, over the years Bill has done an incredible job managing NE's cap. For every team it's cyclical. Every few seasons you wind up in the hole. More often than not Bill has the Patriots in pretty good position, year in and year out. Not only cap space, but in number of picks to draft with.
Bill was able to manage the cap because the best player always took less. When the best player's ego became too much he jettisoned him.
Listen, I get at some point Bill had to move on. I get it, but Brady is still killing it. Unheard of for sure but it still stings.
I'll be OK about it again but I'm still bitter about the situation.
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Remember that Brady is largely still killing it because the Bucs have such ridiculous talent at the skill positions. Even when the Bucs were missing a guy or two due to injury at times this year, he'd still have 3-5 stud guys at the skill positions. He cannot do well with less anymore, as we saw in New England in 2019. Brady had to go to another team to keep performing at a high level, and cherry picked the team that was loaded and had a defense that was becoming top notch (Bucs defense was the best over the course of the second half of the 2019 season, the one before Brady arrived).
And by always crying to Daddy Kraft about any backup QB, like Jimmy G, Brady set it up to where they had no succession plan in place to where when he left, they had nothing. To use the relationship analogy, he was like the husband who didn't want his wife to have anyone but him, so she cut out all of her friends, and then he left her with nothing and having to start over from scratch, while he grabbed on to the best looking girl he could find right away. So now, Brady is remarried with the good looking girl, while the ex-wife is still struggling to put her life back together after being left with nothing. Trust me, as a Broncos fan, no matter how good the rest of the team is, recent years have shown that not having an above QB really is like having nothing. :lol :lol :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Wow, no one could have beaten the Bills last night.
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I really loved watching the Bills play last night. Those are some dedicated fans to be out there in that cold, my soft Florida body wouldn't of made it :lol
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Kev, I blame Belichick for poor drafting and allowing the Pats to get to that point. Also, him allowing the best player to sour to the point of having the owner step in and allow him to drop their hold and allow him to go to free agency.
As a GM, Belichick failed his team that was on a roll.
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How did he fail the team?
THEY WON THE SUPER BOWL FOLLOWING THE 2018 SEASON. On the back of the defense, which shut down the Rams high powered offense in the Super Bowl in a 13-3 win in which Brady mostly shit the bed.
And in the last game he played with the Patriots, they trailed 14-13 at halftime and the defense pitched a shutout in the second half, yet they still lost because the offense scored nada (and got the team -6 due to the pick-6 in the last 10 seconds).
And Brady was sour? Pfft.
Also, it was not Belichick's job to control the emotions of his veteran QB (who was already being called the GOAT at the time). If Brady got a sour face about the Patriots, that was his own doing, not Belichick's. "Oh, he didn't have enough help on offense." Cry me a river. They had just won the Super Bowl. I didn't know Tom Brady was the Terrell Owens of QBs. "I want to win my way, with me doing all or most of the heavy lifting, or not at all!"
Look, I know you are dug in with your "TB = GOD, Belichick = The Devil" stance :P :P, but with the way Brady has showed his ass since going to Tampa, he is an entitled pompous ass who basically threw a fit and left town. Boo hoo. He is still the GOAT, and the media still mostly gives him a pass for everything, so like MJ, he can continue to be a dick and it will be excused because "he is the GOAT and just wants to win," but many people who don't spend Sunday mornings at the church of TB12 will not see it the same way that you do. :biggrin: :biggrin:
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I think a whole lot of people had unrealistic expectations. The Bills are currently a better football team than NE. If you didn't know that going in you just haven't been paying attention. People bought into the idea that Bill's big brain was enough to overcome that, and it's not. I didn't hesitate to give up the 4 points on Buf, which was honestly a bargain. I certainly didn't want to see a blowout, but I also knew that was more likely than an upset.
Joe, you can blame Bill all you want. One thing is clear, which is that he didn't have his team ready to play this week. As for the GM side, he's honestly done alright. He's busted some big picks, and he's knocked some late picks right out of the park. As for the team he has right now, this is their first season together. You've got a rookie QB and 5 receivers that haven't played together before. They'll all be back next year and they'll all work better together. Last year they were in cap hell.* This year they were out of it and significantly improved their team. It's not like Belichick is taking them in the wrong direction here. That they didn't turn into the 85 Bears in a season shouldn't be a big knock on Bill the GM.
As for the talk radio guys, who gives a fuck? Yes, I'm sure they'll spend the next three months talking about what a loser Bill Belichick is. That's their job. Doesn't make it true, though. It's just what they'll say to get people talking. They're one of the most irrelevant thins in the universe.
*And as you mentioned the cap situation, over the years Bill has done an incredible job managing NE's cap. For every team it's cyclical. Every few seasons you wind up in the hole. More often than not Bill has the Patriots in pretty good position, year in and year out. Not only cap space, but in number of picks to draft with.
Bill was able to manage the cap because the best player always took less. When the best player's ego became too much he jettisoned him.
Listen, I get at some point Bill had to move on. I get it, but Brady is still killing it. Unheard of for sure but it still stings.
I'll be OK about it again but I'm still bitter about the situation.
TB12 always took less, but we're not talking about whole lot compared to the cap as a whole. Tom's making 25 when the other guys are getting 32. It's not like Brady was playing for free. Yet year and and year out NE it typically sporting 30 to 60+ in cap space. Also, a lot of those "low" salary years were possible because they kept kicking the can down the road. That will catch up with you, and it's why all team salary caps are cyclical. You can spend well for a few years, but there will always be a payback year on the horizon.
Also, TB was going to move on regardless. Bill is still the GOAT, and TB had to prove himself elsewhere. I don't think that applied to Bill. He'd have been content to go on winning with TB12. I don't agree with the idea that his departure is somehow on Bill. All of the explanations we've heard have been on Tom. "He doesn't like my trainer!" "He drafted my replacement because he doesn't think I can play to 45!" "He didn't support me enough during Deflategate!" The one excuse that does make sense, "he doesn't treat me like a God tier player" is legit, but it's also the one thing that Tom himself actually understands. He fully bought into the "Patriot way."
I also think you're comparing Bill as a GM to the way other GMs handle their business, and it's not really the same thing. Belichick has made a career of finding guys who'll play for him for cheap. Aging veterans or unknowns. While busts are what people remember, it's also important to factor in the JC Jacksons of the world. For every N'Keal Harry there's a Malcolm Butler. And while that's playing out there's still a whole team of guys like Lawrence Guy and David Andrews; hard workers playing for average money and adding up to a solid foundation. If you want to see how the rest of the GMs handle things like this, watch what happens over the next two years in Tampa when Brady retires and they're sitting on gazillions in dead cap money.
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Tom moved on because he had enough of Bill. Bill could have adopted another approach to keep him happy. I do get that is hard for a head coach when he has his specific way of running a team but we are talking about the greatest QB ever.
So hopefully, the can better this D next year and I'm sure Mac will improve as well with a full year under his belt.
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Tom moved on because he had enough of Bill. Bill could have adopted another approach to keep him happy. I do get that is hard for a head coach when he has his specific way of running a team but we are talking about the greatest QB ever.
Maybe Tom should have adopted another approach to stay in tune with Belichick. I get that it is hard for a QB who is used to doing things a certain way, but we are talking about the greatest coach ever.
:P :P
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2011 Indianapolis Colts: Built completely around Peyton Manning, he has season ending neck surgery, team falls apart with no complementary pieces and goes 2-14.
2015 Denver Broncos: Built a team with a strong run game and historically great defense to complement a physically weaker but mentally sharp as ever Manning, go on to win the Super Bowl in Peyton’s last game.
Also remember the 2008 Patriots when Brady got hurt but with a strong team, they went 11-5 with Matt Cassel and only missed the playoffs on a tiebreaker. Also the Packers drafted Aaron Rodgers in 2005 despite having a still playing well Brett Favre, and when he decided to retire for the first time after the 2007 season, the Packers were still in good shape.
Point here being you can have an all time great quarterback, but you need to have a strong team around them so you can remain competitive should they get hurt or when Father Time catches up to them. You need to be prepared for life without your star QB. Bill Belichick tried to do that while fielding a competitive team around Tom Brady. Brady didn’t handle his business in the end all that well, and after a year of fielding a mediocre team without Brady, Belichick was able to trot out a playoff caliber team with a rookie QB who has a bright future ahead of him in Mac Jones. Belichick is fine, and the fact that he was able to pick up the pieces of Brady’s exit as quickly as he did proves his greatness even more.
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Tom moved on because he had enough of Bill. Bill could have adopted another approach to keep him happy. I do get that is hard for a head coach when he has his specific way of running a team but we are talking about the greatest QB ever.
Maybe Tom should have adopted another approach to stay in tune with Belichick. I get that it is hard for a QB who is used to doing things a certain way, but we are talking about the greatest coach ever.
:P :P
Without the greatest QB ever how's he doing? I know. I know, I was spoiled. Lol
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Without the greatest QB ever how's he doing?
He had 2 rings as a DC before TB12 had even hit puberty. And I would say being over .500 in two seasons since Brady left with a washed up Cam Newton and then a rookie QB is pretty darn good. Just saying...;)
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Joe, you still whining today?? :lol
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Joe, you still whining today?? :lol
Fans of other teams have been in the desert for a long time and are on the verge of dying of championship thirst. Meanwhile, Joe, fresh off six Super Bowl rings (and rings in all of the other major team sports this century), is still full from all of the water he has been drinking and is bitching because he didn't get another glass. :P :P
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With RB#1 and RB#2 out for the Bucs, Vaughn and Bernard have been running great as replacement RBs. The Bucs D has been killing it too. Guess everyone was right that it wasn't going to be close.
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As a football fan with no horse in the race, I was hoping for an entertaining game between TB and Philly. Totally boring playoff game. Hoping for better at 4:30.
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Tom moved on because he had enough of Bill. Bill could have adopted another approach to keep him happy. I do get that is hard for a head coach when he has his specific way of running a team but we are talking about the greatest QB ever.
Maybe Tom should have adopted another approach to stay in tune with Belichick. I get that it is hard for a QB who is used to doing things a certain way, but we are talking about the greatest coach ever.
:P :P
And it's a bad argument on multiple levels. Brady left to get out of Belichick's shadow at least as much, and probably more than simply wanting to get away from Belichick. It was inevitable and the right thing for him to do. But aside from that, all we've heard is that Tom WAS the Patriot way. He embodied it and made sure that the other players bought into it as well. Brady's work ethic was a big part of their success. And now we're supposed to believe that Brady would have wanted the HC/GM to change his way of doing things just to accommodate him personally? Either it's a specious argument or Brady is far more of a hypocrite than I already assumed.
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El Barto, Brady did not leave to step out of his shadow. He left because he was tired of BB way. After the 2017 season Kraft had to talk Brady into staying. It's documented.
https://www-nbcsports-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/new-book-reveals-how-close-tom-brady-came-leaving-patriots-after-super-bowl-loss?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16423660241666&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcsports.com%2Fboston%2Fpatriots%2Fnew-book-reveals-how-close-tom-brady-came-leaving-patriots-after-super-bowl-loss
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El Barto, Brady did not leave to step out of his shadow. He left because he was tired of BB way. After the 2017 season Kraft had to talk Brady into staying. It's documented.
https://www-nbcsports-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/new-book-reveals-how-close-tom-brady-came-leaving-patriots-after-super-bowl-loss?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16423660241666&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcsports.com%2Fboston%2Fpatriots%2Fnew-book-reveals-how-close-tom-brady-came-leaving-patriots-after-super-bowl-loss
If we're going to take this Jeff Benedict fellow at his word, so be it. Spoiled hypocrite it is. :dunno:
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It's been talked about a lot here in N.E. He felt he took the heat for BB for deflategate and wasn't backed by his coach. That was the start of their relationship crumbling.
If you remember at a press conference he said, you'll have to ask Tom. Belichick never left answers open for players to deal with. I think the final straw was not allowing Guerrero on the sidelines.
Truth was though Guerrero started to interfere with the Pats staff when it came to training and Belichick had enough. So yeah, Brady wanted special treatment.
Totally get that back in the day, Brady was treated like one of the guys but Brady having to fight for a 1 year deal with incentives after the 2017 season really irked Brady.
In the end, over time their relationship deteriorated. Just sucks seeing him at a high level and you wonder if both could have been placated a little towards each other.
But hey. I actually will pull for the Bills this year. I have a blast going to Buffalo for games and their fans rule.
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Love what I'm seeing so far.
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Love what I'm seeing so far.
More 1st downs by the 49ers than plays run by Dallas. Crazy stat.
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That damn Kraft forcing Jimmy G out.!! >:( :P
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Fuckin' A.... The NFL Network is running the Steelers @ Chiefs game from week 16. I saw it in my TV listings and assumed it was the playoff game. Just now figured out it's not. Ugh....
The morning game was Exhibit 1 in support of the argument that they should NOT have expanded the playoffs. What a pointless game.
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That damn Kraft forcing Jimmy G out.!! >:( :P
He's always injured. I like him a ton. He just can't stay on the field. Hindsight. I know but we did have a glimpse of that durring the 4 game suspension for Brady.
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Bosa getting hurt fucking sucks.
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YES!!!!!
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AND YESSSS!!!!!!!!
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I think that delay was a crap call. How can you hike the ball when the official is standing in the way?
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Well that was way harder than it should've been.
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Dak showing again why he is not elite. What a dunce.
49ers are such a good and well coached team, but Jimmy G is like a Super Dunce. He limits their upside.
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What a completely boneheaded play call! With eight seconds left to play? Run it up the middle of the field?
Time for a That 70s Show DUMBASS meme.
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What an idiot. The hell was he/they thinking?
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Dak showing again why he is not elite. What a dunce.
49ers are such a good and well coached team, but Jimmy G is like a Super Dunce. He limits their upside.
Kev WTF? I mean, there's Brady, Rodgers, and Mahomes. That's IT!
Dak and Jimmy G are in the next tier down for sure, but I don't understand ragging on them. Unless their teams are trading for one of those three guys, they are easily the best options.
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Dak showing again why he is not elite. What a dunce.
49ers are such a good and well coached team, but Jimmy G is like a Super Dunce. He limits their upside.
Kev WTF? I mean, there's Brady, Rodgers, and Mahomes. That's IT!
Dak and Jimmy G are in the next tier down for sure, but I don't understand ragging on them. Unless their teams are trading for one of those three guys, they are easily the best options.
Dak was 0-6 this season when the Cowboys did not run for 100+ yards. His record over the course of his NFL career with that measure is pretty atrocious, so 2021 was not an outlier. He cannot win without a lot of help on offense. He makes the stats look great by throwing 5 TDs against Philly's backup last week or staying in at the end of the Broncos blowout to pad his stats by throwing 2 meaningless TDs at the end, but he fails way too often in big moments. Don't get me wrong, he is better than anyone on the Broncos squad currently :facepalm: :facepalm:, but he is not, not was he ever, elite.
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Who said he was elite?
Like I said, there are THREE elite QB's in the league. To bitch because your (I know he's not your guy) guy is not elite is a fool's errand.
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What awful playcalling in that last drive. Bunch of 10 yard chips followed by... a run up the middle with 14 seconds left?
Gotta say, I watched the Nickelodeon broadcast for the hell of it. It was a riot.
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Perhaps. ;)
I'd round out the top 5 with Josh Allen and Russell Wilson (despite a few hiccups recently).
I'd put Dak in the 6-10 range, but his ceiling is limited.
I think Herbert and Burrow are destined to be upper tier guys, but need to see a little more out of them first.
Jimmy G is not in that next tier. I could only imagine how much Shanahan's 49ers would dominate with an actual great QB. With the way they run it, play defense and manhandle teams physically, they are an upper tier QB away from being the next dynasty.
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Perhaps. ;)
I'd round out the top 5 with Josh Allen and Russell Wilson (despite a few hiccups recently).
I'd put Dak in the 6-10 range, but his ceiling is limited.
I think Herbert and Burrow are destined to be upper tier guys, but need to see a little more out of them first.
Jimmy G is not in that next tier. I could only imagine how much Shanahan's 49ers would dominate with an actual great QB. With the way they run it, play defense and manhandle teams physically, they are an upper tier QB away from being the next dynasty.
I think Jake Allen has the chance to knock on the door. We'll see. I think he's ahead of Herbert for sure.
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Herbert looks great, but he was done in by his brain dead head coach this year going full tilt on being an analytics nerd. Good to see that the coaches this weekend who actually made the playoffs realized that kicking field goals sometimes is the way to go.
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Herbert looks great, but he was done in by his brain dead head coach this year going full tilt on being an analytics nerd. Good to see that the coaches this weekend who actually made the playoffs realized that kicking field goals sometimes is the way to go.
I agree.
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I think that was the most Cowboys way to end the playoff game. I couldn't tell if Romo was livid or just elated that his screwup might take a back seat to that final play.
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I think that was the most Cowboys way to end the playoff game. I couldn't tell if Romo was livid or just elated that his screwup might take a back seat to that final play.
Agreed. At least his was an accident. This was a thought out, stupid decision.
To tell you the truth…until that horrible play call, I actually believe they might have pulled it off.
If that had been a Super Bowl, it would have beat Seattle’s famous “don’t handoff to the Beast”
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Plus man like a comment I read, that ending was like the 4 endings of the lord of the rings movie. Didn't the Cowboys have like 4 chances or was 3 to score a TD?
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Well, turns out that adding a 7th team to the playoffs from each conference meant that the 2 seed got an easy win rather than a bye. Both 7 seeds appear to have had no business making the playoffs.
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I look forward to the Eagles beating the Bucs.
Just a feeling.
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Steelers at least made it interesting in the beginning but yeah both 7th seeds are just duds at this point. I wonder if the Chargers would have made things a bit more interesting.
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Two out of five games were competitive, and the other three were/are a complete joke. Sucks for Roethlisberger to go out this way.
Well, turns out that adding a 7th team to the playoffs from each conference meant that the 2 seed got an easy win rather than a bye. Both 7 seeds appear to have had no business making the playoffs.
I wonder if these practice games will work to the advantage of the Bucs and Chiefs if they end up playing the Titans and Packers in the championship games.
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Saw a fun fact on Twitter: in their last three playoff games, the Steelers have allowed 135 points (and still counting tonight), with the starting QBs of their three opponents in those games being Patrick Mahomes, Baker Mayfield and Blake Bortles.
:eek :eek :eek :eek
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Two out of five games were competitive, and the other three were/are a complete joke. Sucks for Roethlisberger to go out this way.
Eh, couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Him going out the same way as Marino, whose career ended in a 62-7 playoff loss, feels right. :lol :biggrin:
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I look forward to the Eagles beating the Bucs.
Just a feeling.
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I think that was the most Cowboys way to end the playoff game. I couldn't tell if Romo was livid or just elated that his screwup might take a back seat to that final play.
Had that same thought.
Unlike Kev, I don't think Dak is the problem. I knew SF was going to win because they're a real football team and the cowboys are a bunch of clowns. Nothing about the Cowboys organization relates to winning. Dak is a very good QB on a very talented team, but they're in a circus culture.
And don't be surprised if McCarthy gets the axe. Jerry is stewing right now.
Shitty way for Ben to go out. Even more disappointed now that last week's game didn't end in a tie.
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Two out of five games were competitive, and the other three were/are a complete joke. Sucks for Roethlisberger to go out this way.
Eh, couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Him going out the same way as Marino, whose career ended in a 62-7 playoff loss, feels right. :lol :biggrin:
Well at least he played a hell of a lot better than Marino did in his final game. Loved reading the quotes from Suggs, Lewis, etc about Ben. The respect they had for that man . . .
Bills at Chiefs ought to be a hell of a game.
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Always amusing.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJMZNGnXoAEIHzm?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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Nothing has been said, but I can't help but wonder whether Jimmy's thumb was bothering him during the second half. First half, he was throwing some serious dimes. Second half, he was missing guys that were pretty open and could have put the game away by hitting those passes. It could be that he just cooled off, but it was such a drastic difference. It reminded me a LOT of the SF vs. TN game where we got a similar "tale of 2 Jimmies," and didn't learn until after the game that he suffered that injury.
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Nothing has been said, but I can't help but wonder whether Jimmy's thumb was bothering him during the second half. First half, he was throwing some serious dimes. Second half, he was missing guys that were pretty open and could have put the game away by hitting those passes. It could be that he just cooled off, but it was such a drastic difference. It reminded me a LOT of the SF vs. TN game where we got a similar "tale of 2 Jimmies," and didn't learn until after the game that he suffered that injury.
If he is hurt, that’s basically means another bye week for the Packers. Trey Lance isn’t anywhere close to being playoff ready. The 49ers were already gonna have a tough time keeping up with the Green Bay offense, but with an injured Jimmy G, there’s almost no shot of San Francisco winning that game.
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Unlike Kev, I don't think Dak is the problem. I knew SF was going to win because they're a real football team and the cowboys are a bunch of clowns. Nothing about the Cowboys organization relates to winning. Dak is a very good QB on a very talented team, but they're in a circus culture.
And don't be surprised if McCarthy gets the axe. Jerry is stewing right now.
Hey now, I didn't say Dak was the problem. I just don't think he is the elite player that some day (and I think time has proven that to be correct).
Agreed about the culture, and that is all on Jerry. He wants to the man and wants the coach to be a lackey, so this is what happens. 14 penalties yesterday just screams undisciplined. Some of those penalties were mind-boggingly undisciplined.
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The 49ers look like they're in full gear. I think if Jimmy G is playing healthy they can do some real damage at Green Bay. I hope Bosa is back, that guy is a beast and got a really bad hit.
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The 49ers are dangerous, but it is hard to trust Garoppolo. He tried like hell to give that game away yesterday, but the Cowboys circus refused to take it. When you can run it and play D like the 49ers do, you are dangerous. It is just hard to trust them in today's NFL with that guy at QB.
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I think a whole lot of people had unrealistic expectations. The Bills are currently a better football team than NE. If you didn't know that going in you just haven't been paying attention. People bought into the idea that Bill's big brain was enough to overcome that, and it's not. I didn't hesitate to give up the 4 points on Buf, which was honestly a bargain. I certainly didn't want to see a blowout, but I also knew that was more likely than an upset.
Joe, you can blame Bill all you want. One thing is clear, which is that he didn't have his team ready to play this week. As for the GM side, he's honestly done alright. He's busted some big picks, and he's knocked some late picks right out of the park. As for the team he has right now, this is their first season together. You've got a rookie QB and 5 receivers that haven't played together before. They'll all be back next year and they'll all work better together. Last year they were in cap hell.* This year they were out of it and significantly improved their team. It's not like Belichick is taking them in the wrong direction here. That they didn't turn into the 85 Bears in a season shouldn't be a big knock on Bill the GM.
As for the talk radio guys, who gives a fuck? Yes, I'm sure they'll spend the next three months talking about what a loser Bill Belichick is. That's their job. Doesn't make it true, though. It's just what they'll say to get people talking. They're one of the most irrelevant thins in the universe.
*And as you mentioned the cap situation, over the years Bill has done an incredible job managing NE's cap. For every team it's cyclical. Every few seasons you wind up in the hole. More often than not Bill has the Patriots in pretty good position, year in and year out. Not only cap space, but in number of picks to draft with.
I'm looking at this with a slightly different perspective, which leans more to Barto than King in terms of feelings; I'm watching the Uconn women's basketball go through something somewhat similar. I was at Uconn when Geno was hired (back in '85) and he has done Belichick-like things in his time at the school. This year, they fell out of the Top 10 for the first time since like 1925 (I kid, it just seems like that) and you'd think that Geno lost all ability to coach. He's got players hurt, he's lost some of the greatest college players in history in the last year or so, and sometimes it takes a step back to go forward. I tend to agree with Bart; expectations were not reasonable. I HOPED NE would win, but I picked Buffalo as well, and I would do it again.
I also think that not predicting the outlier ONE TIME is not indicative of a lack of ability. NO ONE (other than Tom himself, I guess) called this. Tampa is sold out on Brady, and good for them. Bill did the same thing the year before. You can't sell out for 6, 7 years. It's like that Daffy Duck trick in the "Open Sesame" episode of Bugs Bunny; you can only really do it once. I had the thought watching the 49ers game that you've got two high level if not elite QBs playing in the league and both came from the Patriots. Impressive no matter how you look at it, but that was the problem. You couldn't stick with Brady AND cultivate the A.B. (After Brady) years at the same time. I don't at all fault Bill for his decision; it was a hard one, and he's not the only one to have made it (49ers, Green Bay, maybe Green Bay again this year, the Colts...)
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Tom moved on because he had enough of Bill. Bill could have adopted another approach to keep him happy. I do get that is hard for a head coach when he has his specific way of running a team but we are talking about the greatest QB ever.
So hopefully, the can better this D next year and I'm sure Mac will improve as well with a full year under his belt.
That's the one thing you've said that I REALLY disagree with. No. I get it, Parcells made a career out of handling 55 players as individuals (Phil Simms was bitter for YEARS that LT got to blow off curfew, do coke and bang hookers the night before games, while Parcells would chew Simm's ass out on national television for not running his checks thoroughly enough; he later admitted that it was what made him the player he was, and what got him two Super Bowl rings), but the thing that made Belichick who he is is that he never sold out the organization or the program for one player. The "Patriot Way". He does that for Brady, and he never gains that credibility back. Sure, no one is going to mistake Ben Watson for Tom Brady, but then what do you do for Stephan Gilmore? Or Vince Wilfork? Gronk?
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Dak showing again why he is not elite. What a dunce.
49ers are such a good and well coached team, but Jimmy G is like a Super Dunce. He limits their upside.
Speaking of coaches, what's the over-under on McCarthy? :) :)
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The 49ers are dangerous, but it is hard to trust Garoppolo. He tried like hell to give that game away yesterday, but the Cowboys circus refused to take it. When you can run it and play D like the 49ers do, you are dangerous. It is just hard to trust them in today's NFL with that guy at QB.
I'm with you; I know the stats about their winning with him and without him, but he just seems to have that knack of throwing a tough pick at the wrong time. He did it yesterday as well and it (almost) cost them.
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Always amusing.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJMZNGnXoAEIHzm?format=jpg&name=900x900)
That took me a minute, but yes, always amusing. :)
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Tom moved on because he had enough of Bill. Bill could have adopted another approach to keep him happy. I do get that is hard for a head coach when he has his specific way of running a team but we are talking about the greatest QB ever.
So hopefully, the can better this D next year and I'm sure Mac will improve as well with a full year under his belt.
That's the one thing you've said that I REALLY disagree with. No. I get it, Parcells made a career out of handling 55 players as individuals (Phil Simms was bitter for YEARS that LT got to blow off curfew, do coke and bang hookers the night before games, while Parcells would chew Simm's ass out on national television for not running his checks thoroughly enough; he later admitted that it was what made him the player he was, and what got him two Super Bowl rings), but the thing that made Belichick who he is is that he never sold out the organization or the program for one player. The "Patriot Way". He does that for Brady, and he never gains that credibility back. Sure, no one is going to mistake Ben Watson for Tom Brady, but then what do you do for Stephan Gilmore? Or Vince Wilfork? Gronk?
funny, he's been pretty soft this year on the guys like he's never before. you know why? He knew they couldn't take the normal hard line he's normally done. So if he could change his ways now, why couldn't he adapt to Tom back then? Honestly though, I know he felt Tom was pushing his agenda and some player were listening to his guy over the teams physicians. Once Bill put his foot down, Tom got even more sour at the situation.
What makes it hard for fans including me is that Brady is playing still at a level that is inhuman. No people will say it wouldn't matter because of cap space, but that's Bills job. If he didn't mismanage the draft and the cap he would had more space the last few years. When you pay stupid money and draft picks for Sanu & Brown instead of drafting correctly you put yourself in that bad position.
El Barto, I was at the 1st dildo game in Buffalo. :lol
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You were the first dildo at the game?
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That's money. :) :) :)
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You were the first dildo at the game?
Google is your friend Tim. :lol
That's money. :) :) :)
I just love Buffalos fans. Party hard, friendly. I hung out, saw tables broken. Did shots, gabbed about football. What a great time there.
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You were the first dildo at the game?
Google is your friend Tim. :lol
That's money. :) :) :)
I just love Buffalos fans. Party hard, friendly. I hung out, saw tables broken. Did shots, gabbed about football. What a great time there.
The bar I used to hangout in Dallas used to be a Washington bar but changed to a Buffalo Bills bar. The owner is actually a Chicago Bears fan but Buffalo fans represent - money! But you are correct, they are some of the nicest fans I've met and we always had a good time with them.
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The 49ers are dangerous, but it is hard to trust Garoppolo. He tried like hell to give that game away yesterday, but the Cowboys circus refused to take it. When you can run it and play D like the 49ers do, you are dangerous. It is just hard to trust them in today's NFL with that guy at QB.
I'm with you; I know the stats about their winning with him and without him, but he just seems to have that knack of throwing a tough pick at the wrong time. He did it yesterday as well and it (almost) cost them.
It was a bit of an odd game for him though. He can be hot and throw the odd bad pick when he is overconfident and trying too hard to make a play. But it's odd for him to be SO on like he was in the first half and then SO off in the second half. It wasn't just the pick. He was missing open guys by a lot, and that doesn't usually happen out of the blue, especially in a game where he is so on for half the game. I was really disappointed in his second half play. But like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if there is something more to it than just him cooling off. But if it is just the latter, it's pretty scary that the guy could have such a wide swing during the same game for no apparent reason. Not the kind of consistency you hope for from your QB. I really hope he can pull it together for next week.
Kind of waiting with baited breath to see what is going on with Bosa and Warner. If they are back next week and Jimmy didn't worsen his injury, I don't give the Packers much of a chance, and will probably start packing my stuff for a trip to Tampa. Not to discount the Packers, but they do NOT have what it takes to match the 49ers in the trenches on either side of the ball. Yeah, fans (and some of the media) will harm on how ugly a game it was, and all the mistakes. But I guarantee that in the Packers' film room, what they are focused on is how the most prolific offense in the NFL was held to 230 passing, 77 rushing, and 17 points this week.
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I think that delay was a crap call. How can you hike the ball when the official is standing in the way?
Then you clearly don't know the rules. The official was in the way because Dallas thought they could be cute and keep their punt team on the field to force SF to waste a timeout. Then they rushed their offense on the field at the last second to try to take advantage. But the rules are clear that when the offense makes a substitution, the defense is entitled to do the same, and the refs are to prevent the offense from snapping the ball until the defense gets their subs in. The Cowboys again got too cute for their own good and didn't allow enough time for that to happen, so they got caught not being able to snap the ball before they ran out of time. That is 100% on them and not the officials. The officials played it by the book.
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I think that delay was a crap call. How can you hike the ball when the official is standing in the way?
Then you clearly don't know the rules. The official was in the way because Dallas thought they could be cute and keep their punt team on the field to force SF to waste a timeout. Then they rushed their offense on the field at the last second to try to take advantage. But the rules are clear that when the offense makes a substitution, the defense is entitled to do the same, and the refs are to prevent the offense from snapping the ball until the defense gets their subs in. The Cowboys again got too cute for their own good and didn't allow enough time for that to happen, so they got caught not being able to snap the ball before they ran out of time. That is 100% on them and not the officials. The officials played it by the book.
I stand corrected
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The 49ers are dangerous, but it is hard to trust Garoppolo. He tried like hell to give that game away yesterday, but the Cowboys circus refused to take it. When you can run it and play D like the 49ers do, you are dangerous. It is just hard to trust them in today's NFL with that guy at QB.
I'm with you; I know the stats about their winning with him and without him, but he just seems to have that knack of throwing a tough pick at the wrong time. He did it yesterday as well and it (almost) cost them.
It was a bit of an odd game for him though. He can be hot and throw the odd bad pick when he is overconfident and trying too hard to make a play. But it's odd for him to be SO on like he was in the first half and then SO off in the second half. It wasn't just the pick. He was missing open guys by a lot, and that doesn't usually happen out of the blue, especially in a game where he is so on for half the game. I was really disappointed in his second half play. But like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if there is something more to it than just him cooling off. But if it is just the latter, it's pretty scary that the guy could have such a wide swing during the same game for no apparent reason. Not the kind of consistency you hope for from your QB. I really hope he can pull it together for next week.
Kind of waiting with baited breath to see what is going on with Bosa and Warner. If they are back next week and Jimmy didn't worsen his injury, I don't give the Packers much of a chance, and will probably start packing my stuff for a trip to Tampa. Not to discount the Packers, but they do NOT have what it takes to match the 49ers in the trenches on either side of the ball. Yeah, fans (and some of the media) will harm on how ugly a game it was, and all the mistakes. But I guarantee that in the Packers' film room, what they are focused on is how the most prolific offense in the NFL was held to 230 passing, 77 rushing, and 17 points this week.
Ha ha ha !! :rollin Long time Packers fan. :biggrin: The Packers haven't even played their best yet this season. Aaron is about as cool as a cucumber as one can be. It will be a great contest of 2 superb coaches. ....The most prolific offense didn't do well against the tough teams and are in a crummy division. Heck, even my crappy Broncos beat Dallas.
Go Pack Go!
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With 14 penalties for over 100 yds and a turnover, I don't care what team you are or how good your offense is. You're not gonna win. Dallas beat themselves as usual and if I was a 9ers fan, I wouldn't be too comfortable going into Green Bay. The Pack won't be making those kinds of mistakes in large quantities. Regardless of who won at Dallas, it was still a garbage game and the winner was determined by who made the least amount of mistakes.
SF: "We're beating you."
DC: "Yeah, but we'll catch up."
SF: "Well, now that you've made somewhat of a game out of it, we'll just give it to you."
DC: "No thanks, you can have it. We got the star on our helmets and bigger paychecks. :loser:
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You were the first dildo at the game?
Google is your friend Tim. :lol
That's money. :) :) :)
I just love Buffalos fans. Party hard, friendly. I hung out, saw tables broken. Did shots, gabbed about football. What a great time there.
I love that. When we were younger we'd follow Uconn basketball and football around, and I have so many stories about hanging with the other teams fans. As long as there's not someone that takes it too serious it's always fun.
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I don't know how predictive this game is for the upcoming ones. Dallas is an odd duck in the Jerry Jones era. They are crafted in the image of their boss and you see it in almost every game. Every player is cast in Jerry Jones' image, or at least his fantastical version of himself. The worst athlete on the Dallas roster is as good an ATHLETE - I didn't say PLAYER, I said ATHLETE - as the worst STARTER on any other team. But like Jerry let's his money cover a multitude of sins, and bolster an ego the size of, well, Texas, so the players and their athleticism.
They don't play football very well, just like Jerry doesn't lead very well. They are undisciplined, and they aren't able to put the egos aside and do the job of winning. Every one of those players wants to be the marquee player in the win, and as a result, the basic blocking and tackling doesn't get done. On that last play, it wasn't Dak's fault alone, it wasn't McCarthy's fault alone, it wasn't Moore's fault alone; they all had a hand. Bad play call, bad execution (Dak should have gone down five yards earlier; more time on the clock and less distance for his fat-ass linemen to get downfield) and bad preparation (no hustle to the line, someone should have handed the ball to the ref).
I don't know Kelvin Moore from a row of assholes, but he's supposedly the next Josh McDaniel, and yet, given the three hours yesterday, he couldn't coordinate his way out of a wet paper bag (thanks to Bart Scott for that line). A lot of hype, a lot of flash, but when it comes to X's and O's there's something lacking.
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They've been all hat, no cattle since Jimmy Johnson left.
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I don't know how predictive this game is for the upcoming ones. Dallas is an odd duck in the Jerry Jones era. They are crafted in the image of their boss and you see it in almost every game. Every player is cast in Jerry Jones' image, or at least his fantastical version of himself. The worst athlete on the Dallas roster is as good an ATHLETE - I didn't say PLAYER, I said ATHLETE - as the worst STARTER on any other team. But like Jerry let's his money cover a multitude of sins, and bolster an ego the size of, well, Texas, so the players and their athleticism.
They don't play football very well, just like Jerry doesn't lead very well. They are undisciplined, and they aren't able to put the egos aside and do the job of winning. Every one of those players wants to be the marquee player in the win, and as a result, the basic blocking and tackling doesn't get done. On that last play, it wasn't Dak's fault alone, it wasn't McCarthy's fault alone, it wasn't Moore's fault alone; they all had a hand. Bad play call, bad execution (Dak should have gone down five yards earlier; more time on the clock and less distance for his fat-ass linemen to get downfield) and bad preparation (no hustle to the line, someone should have handed the ball to the ref).
I don't know Kelvin Moore from a row of assholes, but he's supposedly the next Josh McDaniel, and yet, given the three hours yesterday, he couldn't coordinate his way out of a wet paper bag (thanks to Bart Scott for that line). A lot of hype, a lot of flash, but when it comes to X's and O's there's something lacking.
This is largely true, but it goes beyond that. Dallas isn't a football town. I've often said that Dallas is the most superficial place in America, and the Cowboys are our team. Jerry is simply giving the people what they want. Like I said yesterday, SF is a proper football team and the Cowboys are circus clowns (making him upwards of $900m/yr). As you said, Jerry hires superstars. It's football players that win games, though.
It's certainly the case that Jerry doesn't really get football, but it's also the case that he knows what people want. Back in the 90s I went to a couple of games at the old Texas Stadium. When the Dallas D was on the field it was quiet. When Troy/Emmett/Michael/Deion were on the field it was deafening. People here don't get excited about offensive line play (and we had one of the best ever), or stout run defenses. I get the impression that remains a big part of the problem today. Defense wins championships. Games are won in the trenches. Touchdowns put people in the stands. Most people here will bitch and moan about a dumb play call, but they have no idea how outclassed Dallas really was.*
One of the best examples is the Idiotdome in Arlington. People kept asking what kind of lunatic spends a billion dollars on a stadium and doesn't take the sun into account. "If only we could predict where the sun might be any given day!" Good organizations make great use of their home turf. Soldier Field is frigid. CenturyLink is deafening. Foxboro has swirling winds at one endzone (and possibly natural RFI on the visitors sideline :lol). Lambeau has generations of history. Jerry World has a giant TV, fancy restaurants, and cage dancers. The people who went to the Buffalo game Saturday night and froze their nuts off get football. They get what it's all about. Jerry built a stadium where the rich and trendy would be comfortable because they probably wouldn't bother otherwise. That really sums up why the Cowboys are clowns, and it honestly makes no difference who the coach is.
*Interestingly, Jerry was one of the people who recognized it. "The game speaks for itself. Really, I thought the score was not indicative of the game.”
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I don't know how predictive this game is for the upcoming ones. Dallas is an odd duck in the Jerry Jones era. They are crafted in the image of their boss and you see it in almost every game. Every player is cast in Jerry Jones' image, or at least his fantastical version of himself. The worst athlete on the Dallas roster is as good an ATHLETE - I didn't say PLAYER, I said ATHLETE - as the worst STARTER on any other team. But like Jerry let's his money cover a multitude of sins, and bolster an ego the size of, well, Texas, so the players and their athleticism.
They don't play football very well, just like Jerry doesn't lead very well. They are undisciplined, and they aren't able to put the egos aside and do the job of winning. Every one of those players wants to be the marquee player in the win, and as a result, the basic blocking and tackling doesn't get done. On that last play, it wasn't Dak's fault alone, it wasn't McCarthy's fault alone, it wasn't Moore's fault alone; they all had a hand. Bad play call, bad execution (Dak should have gone down five yards earlier; more time on the clock and less distance for his fat-ass linemen to get downfield) and bad preparation (no hustle to the line, someone should have handed the ball to the ref).
I don't know Kelvin Moore from a row of assholes, but he's supposedly the next Josh McDaniel, and yet, given the three hours yesterday, he couldn't coordinate his way out of a wet paper bag (thanks to Bart Scott for that line). A lot of hype, a lot of flash, but when it comes to X's and O's there's something lacking.
While I think Jerry is worthy of criticism, he certainly isn't worth the criticism in your post. Jerry's biggest sin of late is giving the wrong players the wrong contract. Fans and media were not in favor of giving Zeke that second contract and I could site numerous others that didn't deserve their second contract (Jaylon Smith comes to mind). And if you follow the team, you will know there is not a selfish person on this team, and they are coachable. Also, if you follow the team, you will know that Will McClay and Stephen Jones run the team and the draft and they have done a pretty good job at both the last 5 years. Are there problems? Yes, and we can start with the offensive line which played below average the second half of the year and they need to rebuild it. When your o-line is holding getting an IP penalty, it means they are not very good.
As far as the last play of the game, that was a fuck up on Dak. He had enough time to clock the ball but he should have given the ball to the umpire cause only the umpire can place the ball and call it live not just any ref. Dak knows this but he said they practice giving the ball to the center which is kind of stupid if you ask me.
If you're going to rag on Jerry then at least give him credit in that he did not dwell on that last play but said there are many other factors to why they lost that game and he didn't want to dwell on that last play. Kudos to him for that.
Lastly, it's Kellen Moore not Kelvin Moore. ::)
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I don't know how predictive this game is for the upcoming ones. Dallas is an odd duck in the Jerry Jones era. They are crafted in the image of their boss and you see it in almost every game. Every player is cast in Jerry Jones' image, or at least his fantastical version of himself. The worst athlete on the Dallas roster is as good an ATHLETE - I didn't say PLAYER, I said ATHLETE - as the worst STARTER on any other team. But like Jerry let's his money cover a multitude of sins, and bolster an ego the size of, well, Texas, so the players and their athleticism.
They don't play football very well, just like Jerry doesn't lead very well. They are undisciplined, and they aren't able to put the egos aside and do the job of winning. Every one of those players wants to be the marquee player in the win, and as a result, the basic blocking and tackling doesn't get done. On that last play, it wasn't Dak's fault alone, it wasn't McCarthy's fault alone, it wasn't Moore's fault alone; they all had a hand. Bad play call, bad execution (Dak should have gone down five yards earlier; more time on the clock and less distance for his fat-ass linemen to get downfield) and bad preparation (no hustle to the line, someone should have handed the ball to the ref).
I don't know Kelvin Moore from a row of assholes, but he's supposedly the next Josh McDaniel, and yet, given the three hours yesterday, he couldn't coordinate his way out of a wet paper bag (thanks to Bart Scott for that line). A lot of hype, a lot of flash, but when it comes to X's and O's there's something lacking.
While I think Jerry is worthy of criticism, he certainly isn't worth the criticism in your post. Jerry's biggest sin of late is giving the wrong players the wrong contract. Fans and media were not in favor of giving Zeke that second contract and I could site numerous others that didn't deserve their second contract (Jaylon Smith comes to mind). And if you follow the team, you will know there is not a selfish person on this team, and they are coachable. Also, if you follow the team, you will know that Will McClay and Stephen Jones run the team and the draft and they have done a pretty good job at both the last 5 years. Are there problems? Yes, and we can start with the offensive line which played below average the second half of the year and they need to rebuild it. When your o-line is holding getting an IP penalty, it means they are not very good.
As far as the last play of the game, that was a fuck up on Dak. He had enough time to clock the ball but he should have given the ball to the umpire cause only the umpire can place the ball and call it live not just any ref. Dak knows this but he said they practice giving the ball to the center which is kind of stupid if you ask me.
If you're going to rag on Jerry then at least give him credit in that he did not dwell on that last play but said there are many other factors to why they lost that game and he didn't want to dwell on that last play. Kudos to him for that.
Lastly, it's Kellen Moore not Kelvin Moore. ::)
I was going to call him Kevin Moore, so there.
Jerry didn't dwell on that last play for a multitude of reasons, but in any event he was right, as Barto said.
As for the rest, I respect your opinion, but disagree on a lot of it. I think Bart is closer to the truth. I don't agree that there's not a "selfish player on the team". Dak might not be, but I'm not convinced beyond that and a handful of others. Ezekiel's holdout and "FEED ME" nonsense is proof of that. And as we go through the Jones era, there are other, more egregious offenders (do not tell me that Terrell Owens isn't the epitome of "selfish"). I predicted a long time ago that "Tony Romo would never win a Super Bowl in Dallas" and I was right. And I will continue to be right; without changes, Dak is never going to win a Super Bowl in Dallas either (he might not win one anywhere else, either; I left hope that Romo would be a backup somewhere on a team like Baltimore, but that didn't happen That would have upped his chances for a ring right there. I don't see Dak lasting long enough to be that guy. And don't get me wrong; Dak is probably my favorite player on the Cowboys. But he's not done with injuries.)
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Confirmed: Jimmy suffered a shoulder sprain on his throwing side toward the end of the first half. So it really wasn't some weird fluke. In a way that makes me feel better. But, man, as much as I love the guy, he is SO injury prone. That doesn't make me feel better.
Ha ha ha !! :rollin Long time Packers fan. :biggrin: The Packers haven't even played their best yet this season. Aaron is about as cool as a cucumber as one can be. It will be a great contest of 2 superb coaches. ....The most prolific offense didn't do well against the tough teams and are in a crummy division. Heck, even my crappy Broncos beat Dallas.
Go Pack Go!
Yeah, I'm a longtime Packers fan too. I follow them and am aware of what kind of team they are. And I am aware of how good Rodgers is, and how good he is playing this year. But as I said, if his offensive and defensive lines are weak or even average (which they are), QB play alone isn't likely to be enough.
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I don't know how predictive this game is for the upcoming ones. Dallas is an odd duck in the Jerry Jones era. They are crafted in the image of their boss and you see it in almost every game. Every player is cast in Jerry Jones' image, or at least his fantastical version of himself. The worst athlete on the Dallas roster is as good an ATHLETE - I didn't say PLAYER, I said ATHLETE - as the worst STARTER on any other team. But like Jerry let's his money cover a multitude of sins, and bolster an ego the size of, well, Texas, so the players and their athleticism.
They don't play football very well, just like Jerry doesn't lead very well. They are undisciplined, and they aren't able to put the egos aside and do the job of winning. Every one of those players wants to be the marquee player in the win, and as a result, the basic blocking and tackling doesn't get done. On that last play, it wasn't Dak's fault alone, it wasn't McCarthy's fault alone, it wasn't Moore's fault alone; they all had a hand. Bad play call, bad execution (Dak should have gone down five yards earlier; more time on the clock and less distance for his fat-ass linemen to get downfield) and bad preparation (no hustle to the line, someone should have handed the ball to the ref).
I don't know Kelvin Moore from a row of assholes, but he's supposedly the next Josh McDaniel, and yet, given the three hours yesterday, he couldn't coordinate his way out of a wet paper bag (thanks to Bart Scott for that line). A lot of hype, a lot of flash, but when it comes to X's and O's there's something lacking.
While I think Jerry is worthy of criticism, he certainly isn't worth the criticism in your post. Jerry's biggest sin of late is giving the wrong players the wrong contract. Fans and media were not in favor of giving Zeke that second contract and I could site numerous others that didn't deserve their second contract (Jaylon Smith comes to mind). And if you follow the team, you will know there is not a selfish person on this team, and they are coachable. Also, if you follow the team, you will know that Will McClay and Stephen Jones run the team and the draft and they have done a pretty good job at both the last 5 years. Are there problems? Yes, and we can start with the offensive line which played below average the second half of the year and they need to rebuild it. When your o-line is holding getting an IP penalty, it means they are not very good.
As far as the last play of the game, that was a fuck up on Dak. He had enough time to clock the ball but he should have given the ball to the umpire cause only the umpire can place the ball and call it live not just any ref. Dak knows this but he said they practice giving the ball to the center which is kind of stupid if you ask me.
If you're going to rag on Jerry then at least give him credit in that he did not dwell on that last play but said there are many other factors to why they lost that game and he didn't want to dwell on that last play. Kudos to him for that.
Lastly, it's Kellen Moore not Kelvin Moore. ::)
I was going to call him Kevin Moore, so there.
Jerry didn't dwell on that last play for a multitude of reasons, but in any event he was right, as Barto said.
As for the rest, I respect your opinion, but disagree on a lot of it. I think Bart is closer to the truth. I don't agree that there's not a "selfish player on the team". Dak might not be, but I'm not convinced beyond that and a handful of others. Ezekiel's holdout and "FEED ME" nonsense is proof of that. And as we go through the Jones era, there are other, more egregious offenders (do not tell me that Terrell Owens isn't the epitome of "selfish"). I predicted a long time ago that "Tony Romo would never win a Super Bowl in Dallas" and I was right. And I will continue to be right; without changes, Dak is never going to win a Super Bowl in Dallas either (he might not win one anywhere else, either; I left hope that Romo would be a backup somewhere on a team like Baltimore, but that didn't happen That would have upped his chances for a ring right there. I don't see Dak lasting long enough to be that guy. And don't get me wrong; Dak is probably my favorite player on the Cowboys. But he's not done with injuries.)
I don't think the way that Dak and Zeke handled their respective contracts (and that of the other's) suggested selflessness.
At the same time, I think Dak and Romo are both victims of the greater problem here. Put either of them in a proper football organization and they could win championships. You're right that Dak won't win with the Cowboys, but I think it says a lot more about Dallas than Prescott. Belichick couldn't win super bowls here. Dak could win super bowls in New England.
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You're right that Dak won't win with the Cowboys, but I think it says a lot more about Dallas than Prescott.
I think it says a lot about both that Prescott and McCarthy publicly blamed the officials for the loss (not to mention Prescott supporting fans who threw things at the officials after the game).
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Finding this discussion about Dallas the sports city fascinating.
Couldn't be by a TV at the end of that game so was following on Gamecast. Saw the play "Prescott rush for xx yards." Then saw the score listed as Final. Thought maybe Gamecast was wrong; that seemed like a weird final play. Wondered how that actually played out. Turns out that is exactly how it went down.
So, I've gone off on this topic before, but I wanted to see the actual ending today, so went to YT and typed in "Cowboys vs Niners" and 2 of the first 3 clips feature Stephen A Smith, the 6th is Cowherd, then another Smith, then a few more down are two with Bayless. Goddamn I just want to see that final play, if I wanted to see raving idiots I would have put that in the search field.
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Yeah, that was a really bad moment for Dak. I get that he was likely frustrated about losing the game, but saying that was really bad, especially since he has seemed like a good guy who "gets" it since coming into the league.
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Eli handing over to Peyton on the Manningcast to breakdown the TD and then hearing Peyton say "Can't hear shit!" was hilarious.
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Looks like we're in for another stinker in Inglewood tonight.
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Yeah this game is as good as done. I don't think this Murray kid will get settled down to take charge again.
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That pick-6 Murray just threw was Dilfer-like. Just atrocious.
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Midway through the 3rd quarter, Odell Beckham, a wide receiver, currently has more passing yards tonight than Kyler Murray. :lol :lol :lol
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Matthew Stafford is about to get his first career playoff win. Meanwhile Lions fans everywhere weep.
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That pick-6 Murray just threw was Dilfer-like. Just atrocious.
10-year olds in Pop Warner would be embarrassed by that.
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Finding this discussion about Dallas the sports city fascinating.
Couldn't be by a TV at the end of that game so was following on Gamecast. Saw the play "Prescott rush for xx yards." Then saw the score listed as Final. Thought maybe Gamecast was wrong; that seemed like a weird final play. Wondered how that actually played out. Turns out that is exactly how it went down.
So, I've gone off on this topic before, but I wanted to see the actual ending today, so went to YT and typed in "Cowboys vs Niners" and 2 of the first 3 clips feature Stephen A Smith, the 6th is Cowherd, then another Smith, then a few more down are two with Bayless. Goddamn I just want to see that final play, if I wanted to see raving idiots I would have put that in the search field.
If there were 'like' buttons for posts, you'd have received more than a few with this post. :D
So I'll add a few here: :tup :tup :tup :tup :tup :tup :tup :tup and :lol
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I don't know how predictive this game is for the upcoming ones. Dallas is an odd duck in the Jerry Jones era. They are crafted in the image of their boss and you see it in almost every game. Every player is cast in Jerry Jones' image, or at least his fantastical version of himself. The worst athlete on the Dallas roster is as good an ATHLETE - I didn't say PLAYER, I said ATHLETE - as the worst STARTER on any other team. But like Jerry let's his money cover a multitude of sins, and bolster an ego the size of, well, Texas, so the players and their athleticism.
They don't play football very well, just like Jerry doesn't lead very well. They are undisciplined, and they aren't able to put the egos aside and do the job of winning. Every one of those players wants to be the marquee player in the win, and as a result, the basic blocking and tackling doesn't get done. On that last play, it wasn't Dak's fault alone, it wasn't McCarthy's fault alone, it wasn't Moore's fault alone; they all had a hand. Bad play call, bad execution (Dak should have gone down five yards earlier; more time on the clock and less distance for his fat-ass linemen to get downfield) and bad preparation (no hustle to the line, someone should have handed the ball to the ref).
I don't know Kelvin Moore from a row of assholes, but he's supposedly the next Josh McDaniel, and yet, given the three hours yesterday, he couldn't coordinate his way out of a wet paper bag (thanks to Bart Scott for that line). A lot of hype, a lot of flash, but when it comes to X's and O's there's something lacking.
While I think Jerry is worthy of criticism, he certainly isn't worth the criticism in your post. Jerry's biggest sin of late is giving the wrong players the wrong contract. Fans and media were not in favor of giving Zeke that second contract and I could site numerous others that didn't deserve their second contract (Jaylon Smith comes to mind). And if you follow the team, you will know there is not a selfish person on this team, and they are coachable. Also, if you follow the team, you will know that Will McClay and Stephen Jones run the team and the draft and they have done a pretty good job at both the last 5 years. Are there problems? Yes, and we can start with the offensive line which played below average the second half of the year and they need to rebuild it. When your o-line is holding getting an IP penalty, it means they are not very good.
As far as the last play of the game, that was a fuck up on Dak. He had enough time to clock the ball but he should have given the ball to the umpire cause only the umpire can place the ball and call it live not just any ref. Dak knows this but he said they practice giving the ball to the center which is kind of stupid if you ask me.
If you're going to rag on Jerry then at least give him credit in that he did not dwell on that last play but said there are many other factors to why they lost that game and he didn't want to dwell on that last play. Kudos to him for that.
Lastly, it's Kellen Moore not Kelvin Moore. ::)
I was going to call him Kevin Moore, so there.
Jerry didn't dwell on that last play for a multitude of reasons, but in any event he was right, as Barto said.
As for the rest, I respect your opinion, but disagree on a lot of it. I think Bart is closer to the truth. I don't agree that there's not a "selfish player on the team". Dak might not be, but I'm not convinced beyond that and a handful of others. Ezekiel's holdout and "FEED ME" nonsense is proof of that. And as we go through the Jones era, there are other, more egregious offenders (do not tell me that Terrell Owens isn't the epitome of "selfish"). I predicted a long time ago that "Tony Romo would never win a Super Bowl in Dallas" and I was right. And I will continue to be right; without changes, Dak is never going to win a Super Bowl in Dallas either (he might not win one anywhere else, either; I left hope that Romo would be a backup somewhere on a team like Baltimore, but that didn't happen That would have upped his chances for a ring right there. I don't see Dak lasting long enough to be that guy. And don't get me wrong; Dak is probably my favorite player on the Cowboys. But he's not done with injuries.)
I don't think the way that Dak and Zeke handled their respective contracts (and that of the other's) suggested selflessness.
At the same time, I think Dak and Romo are both victims of the greater problem here. Put either of them in a proper football organization and they could win championships. You're right that Dak won't win with the Cowboys, but I think it says a lot more about Dallas than Prescott. Belichick couldn't win super bowls here. Dak could win super bowls in New England.
I don't think you're wrong; I just don't see Dak being let go to go to a team where he can win.
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Eli handing over to Peyton on the Manningcast to breakdown the TD and then hearing Peyton say "Can't hear shit!" was hilarious.
That was a great broadcast, though. I watched the entire first half, and most of the fourth quarter with Peyton and Eli. I think they are money. Eli wearing his DeathRow Records medallion he got from Snoop... over a powder blue sweater! They kill me. Larry Fitzgerald is excellent. Rock was ok, but he's turned into a pimp (note him sipping his branded tequila during the game). I'm not huge fan of Russell Wilson - everyone is his "homie" - but that dude does know how to analyze a football game, I'll give him that. Play ran, Murray made a decent play, but it was called back for double holding, and Wilson had already figured out who held and where. I was impressed.
As for the game, I'm not that good at handicapping games, but I saw that coming a mile away. Murray folded when the chips were down, and moped and pouted after. He needs to grow up if he's going to be a long-term successful teammate, instead of a guy with great physical ability and not much to show for it.
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The Rock was painful and barely tolerable. I don't mind if you're trying to promote your show or movie or whatever, The Rock was there to promote The Rock brand. So everything looked like an ad for whatever his involvement was. I respect the man's work ethic, he's a straight-up hard worker but that was just blah. Larry and Russel were great. The only thing I wish the brothers did a little better was coordinate or figure out a better way to navigate the conversation. There's a lot of awkward silences, and talking over each other and video delays from guests at times that it doesn't flow well. Eli's voice volume was also going down a lot where you could barely here him sometimes.
As for the games, this is hopefully going to be a good set of games this weekend. Not sure what my picks are yet but the favorites are all home teams and I think I'm leaning that way too, though it's going to be really close to call. If the Bucs O-Line is out for the game, it is going to be very difficult to stop Von Miller and Co. IMO, the Bucs have not had much success against the Rams in the past two meetings.
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Everyone talks Stafford and OBJ and Cupp, but that defense is STRONG. That was probably the first time I really sat down and watched them, with Von Miller, and I was impressed. He made a tackle early on Murray that was just insane. Pretty sure Peyton said he was the best athlete he ever played with (which is saying a lot).
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My preliminary look:
Cin @ Ten All depends on Derrick Henry; I'm inclined to ride the Cincinnati train until I have reason not to.
Buf @ KC Buffalo is just playing more consistently and more solidly. KC is more flashy, but I wonder if "flashy" can work here.
LA @ TB LA is tough; I think they have the advantage, especially if Wirfs is out.
SF @ GB This is Green Bay's game to lose. Not saying SF can't win, but they have to do everything right, and have to have everyone healthy. They can't leave the door open like they did in Dallas; Rodgers will burst through and throw a party if they do.
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My preliminary look:
Cin @ Ten All depends on Derrick Henry; I'm inclined to ride the Cincinnati train until I have reason not to.
Buf @ KC Buffalo is just playing more consistently and more solidly. KC is more flashy, but I wonder if "flashy" can work here.
LA @ TB LA is tough; I think they have the advantage, especially if Wirfs is out.
SF @ GB This is Green Bay's game to lose. Not saying SF can't win, but they have to do everything right, and have to have everyone healthy. They can't leave the door open like they did in Dallas; Rodgers will burst through and throw a party if they do.
5/6 this last week. Not bad. This week, I'll go with:
Cin @ Ten: This one is pretty hard to call. Sounds like Henry will be back. I doubt he will get heavy rotation, but even a little bit of production could be enough, especially with Cincy's run defense hampered by injury.
Buf @ KC: Both teams looked good this past week. But I think one of them is a paper tiger.
LA @ TB: The Rams aren't as good as they looked last night.
SF @ GB: Should be a really, really good matchup. '9ers offensive and defensive lines end up being the deciding factors.
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Lots of lulz to be had in the playoff games this weekend. I especially appreciate the Cowboys losing that game in the most Cowboys way possible.
I saw an infographic over the weekend that I don't know if it's true or not, but it feels true. It said that in the last 25 years, the Cowboys have 3 playoff wins, while Jake Delhomme has 5.
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And the Cowboys are just ever so slightly ahead of Blake Bortles, who is 2-1.
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Mark Sanchez, most known for the butt fumble, has more playoff wins than the Dallas Cowboys in the last 25 years, and achieved them all playing for a franchise that currently has the longest playoff drought.
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THAT....is a great one! :tup
btw...Who is the only team to lose a playoff game to the Lions during my lifetime?
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THAT....is a great one! :tup
btw...Who is the only team to lose a playoff game to the Lions during my lifetime?
And who would that be?
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THAT....is a great one! :tup
btw...Who is the only team to lose a playoff game to the Lions during my lifetime?
Yeah...and after losing that game, the Cowboys proceeded to win three of the next four Super Bowls.
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Is pretty sure that even Mark Sanchez would have executed that last play way better. He would have at least lobbed it into the end zone and hoped for the best.
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Is pretty sure that even Mark Sanchez would have executed that last play way better. He would have at least lobbed it into the end zone and hoped for the best.
It wasn't a desperation move, though. My hunch is that they practiced that play and knew exactly how long it should take. If the clock is >some number of seconds they can run the draw for 20 yards and spike it. Not a terrible idea, honestly. The problem is that they didn't practice it right, and in the real world their numbers were off. Really, even bungling the placement they were only off by less than a second, and they would have been in decent shape for a shot at the end zone.
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I'd be a lot more tolerant if it WAS desperation. It was in fact poor discipline and execution.
If you all can't tell, I'm not very tolerant of things that can be avoided through simple discipline and self-control. Too many teams - Shula's great teams, Madden's great teams, Billick's Ravens, Belicheck's Patriots, the Jimmy Johnson Cowboys, all were able to consistently be disciplined, smart football players. Watching the Cowboys, even with two decent coordinators, is like, well, watching cowboys.
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Is pretty sure that even Mark Sanchez would have executed that last play way better. He would have at least lobbed it into the end zone and hoped for the best.
It wasn't a desperation move, though. My hunch is that they practiced that play and knew exactly how long it should take. If the clock is >some number of seconds they can run the draw for 20 yards and spike it. Not a terrible idea, honestly. The problem is that they didn't practice it right, and in the real world their numbers were off. Really, even bungling the placement they were only off by less than a second, and they would have been in decent shape for a shot at the end zone.
I agree that it wasn't desperation, but it was WAY too high risk/low reward. They were on the 40, which is already within striking distance of the end zone. With 14 seconds, you get two (maybe three) shots at the end zone. With the run play, there are basically three possible outcomes: (1) Prescott busts it for a touchdown; (2) Prescott gains 10-ish yards and they spike the ball and get one shot at the end zone from 25-30 yards out; or (3) the clock runs out. Obviously, a touchdown is the best case scenario but it so unlikely that it probably isn't worth taking into account. Thus, your realistic best-case scenario is ONE shot at the end zone as opposed to two (or three shots), with the yardage being only marginally less. For my money, that's too much risk for very little reward. Even a 5-yard pass with the receiver going out of bounds would be preferable.
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Also this:
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He forgot the INT by Dak that lead to 7 SF points. That alone could've been the difference in the game. The fact that SF only won by a margin of 6 points with all those Dallas mistakes, doesn't say a lot about the 9ers.
Is pretty sure that even Mark Sanchez would have executed that last play way better. He would have at least lobbed it into the end zone and hoped for the best.
It wasn't a desperation move, though. My hunch is that they practiced that play and knew exactly how long it should take. If the clock is >some number of seconds they can run the draw for 20 yards and spike it. Not a terrible idea, honestly. The problem is that they didn't practice it right, and in the real world their numbers were off. Really, even bungling the placement they were only off by less than a second, and they would have been in decent shape for a shot at the end zone.
I agree that it wasn't desperation, but it was WAY too high risk/low reward. They were on the 40, which is already within striking distance of the end zone. With 14 seconds, you get two (maybe three) shots at the end zone. With the run play, there are basically three possible outcomes: (1) Prescott busts it for a touchdown; (2) Prescott gains 10-ish yards and they spike the ball and get one shot at the end zone from 25-30 yards out; or (3) the clock runs out. Obviously, a touchdown is the best case scenario but it so unlikely that it probably isn't worth taking into account. Thus, your realistic best-case scenario is ONE shot at the end zone as opposed to two (or three shots), with the yardage being only marginally less. For my money, that's too much risk for very little reward. Even a 5-yard pass with the receiver going out of bounds would be preferable.
That was my thinking as well. The draw (even if it worked) was lower percentage.
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Is pretty sure that even Mark Sanchez would have executed that last play way better. He would have at least lobbed it into the end zone and hoped for the best.
It wasn't a desperation move, though. My hunch is that they practiced that play and knew exactly how long it should take. If the clock is >some number of seconds they can run the draw for 20 yards and spike it. Not a terrible idea, honestly. The problem is that they didn't practice it right, and in the real world their numbers were off. Really, even bungling the placement they were only off by less than a second, and they would have been in decent shape for a shot at the end zone.
I agree that it wasn't desperation, but it was WAY too high risk/low reward. They were on the 40, which is already within striking distance of the end zone. With 14 seconds, you get two (maybe three) shots at the end zone. With the run play, there are basically three possible outcomes: (1) Prescott busts it for a touchdown; (2) Prescott gains 10-ish yards and they spike the ball and get one shot at the end zone from 25-30 yards out; or (3) the clock runs out. Obviously, a touchdown is the best case scenario but it so unlikely that it probably isn't worth taking into account. Thus, your realistic best-case scenario is ONE shot at the end zone as opposed to two (or three shots), with the yardage being only marginally less. For my money, that's too much risk for very little reward. Even a 5-yard pass with the receiver going out of bounds would be preferable.
Didn't he get 21 yards out of it? If you've got 2, maybe 3 plays to take a shot at the end zone, it seems like one play that's nearly guaranteed to get you half is a good investment. As Bill said, it was shitty execution. That was their problem. If they hadn't bungled it, and they were very close to pulling it off, they'd have been in pretty decent position. Certainly better position than another lob into the end zone from 41 yards out.
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He forgot the INT by Dak that lead to 7 SF points. That alone could've been the difference in the game. The fact that SF only won by a margin of 6 points with all those Dallas mistakes, doesn't say a lot about the 9ers.
No, perhaps not. But that is also a really bizarre way of describing the game and ignoring a lot of other things that happened. It's kind of like '9rs fans who might ignore the things you pointed out and say something like, "the fact that S.F. lost its top 2 stars on defense for an entire half, had their QB who already had a major injury to his throwing arm suffer a SECOND INJURY to that same arm that contributed to an INT that in turn resulted in a Cowboys touchdown and caused a couple of misses of wide open receivers that likely would have resulted in more points, got robbed by a weird review and re-spot of the ball that took away a game-ending first down, and still fought off a furious comeback attempt to preserve the win makes SF look pretty unbeatable since they probably won't have those same issues repeat in another game."
The better assessment is somewhere in the middle. Take away those issues, and they looked great. Yeah, Dallas had a lot of failures. But was, for example, the cowboys being held to almost no rushing yards and giving up a ton of rushing yards on the other side of the ball their own incompetence or was it caused by the '9ers? Probably more of the latter, since we have seen that same pattern borne out all year, but there is a little bit of both. Bottom line, the 49ers did make some mistakes and let Dallas back in the game and barely won it. But the flip side is, that was also caused by some things that happened to them that they had to overcome. And that's what good teams do. I would agree that they didn't look great in that game. But under the circumstances, I don't think they looked bad either, and there are a lot of reasons that analysts who are not 49ers shills are saying that there are good reasons to believe the Packers will have their hands full this coming Saturday.
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Is pretty sure that even Mark Sanchez would have executed that last play way better. He would have at least lobbed it into the end zone and hoped for the best.
It wasn't a desperation move, though. My hunch is that they practiced that play and knew exactly how long it should take. If the clock is >some number of seconds they can run the draw for 20 yards and spike it. Not a terrible idea, honestly. The problem is that they didn't practice it right, and in the real world their numbers were off. Really, even bungling the placement they were only off by less than a second, and they would have been in decent shape for a shot at the end zone.
I agree that it wasn't desperation, but it was WAY too high risk/low reward. They were on the 40, which is already within striking distance of the end zone. With 14 seconds, you get two (maybe three) shots at the end zone. With the run play, there are basically three possible outcomes: (1) Prescott busts it for a touchdown; (2) Prescott gains 10-ish yards and they spike the ball and get one shot at the end zone from 25-30 yards out; or (3) the clock runs out. Obviously, a touchdown is the best case scenario but it so unlikely that it probably isn't worth taking into account. Thus, your realistic best-case scenario is ONE shot at the end zone as opposed to two (or three shots), with the yardage being only marginally less. For my money, that's too much risk for very little reward. Even a 5-yard pass with the receiver going out of bounds would be preferable.
Didn't he get 21 yards out of it? If you've got 2, maybe 3 plays to take a shot at the end zone, it seems like one play that's nearly guaranteed to get you half is a good investment. As Bill said, it was shitty execution. That was their problem. If they hadn't bungled it, and they were very close to pulling it off, they'd have been in pretty decent position. Certainly better position than another lob into the end zone from 41 yards out.
The spot they gave him was at the 24, which was two more yards than he should have gotten had the play been properly spotted. He started his slide at the 26 (he then tried to self-spot the ball where he ended up at the 23, and the umpire moved it back only a yard), so he gained 14 or 16 yards. To me, having two or three shots from the 40 is MUCH preferable to having one shot from the 25. Is it better to be 37% closer? Absolutely. But it's not so much better to justify the risk of what happened. And if you really think being at the 25 is so much better than being at the 40, then throwing a 10-15 yard out is a MUCH lower risk way to get it. A play that relies on spiking the ball with 1-2 seconds on the clock is just a bad call because it relies on absolutely perfect execution and quick spotting by the officials.
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Is pretty sure that even Mark Sanchez would have executed that last play way better. He would have at least lobbed it into the end zone and hoped for the best.
It wasn't a desperation move, though. My hunch is that they practiced that play and knew exactly how long it should take. If the clock is >some number of seconds they can run the draw for 20 yards and spike it. Not a terrible idea, honestly. The problem is that they didn't practice it right, and in the real world their numbers were off. Really, even bungling the placement they were only off by less than a second, and they would have been in decent shape for a shot at the end zone.
I agree that it wasn't desperation, but it was WAY too high risk/low reward. They were on the 40, which is already within striking distance of the end zone. With 14 seconds, you get two (maybe three) shots at the end zone. With the run play, there are basically three possible outcomes: (1) Prescott busts it for a touchdown; (2) Prescott gains 10-ish yards and they spike the ball and get one shot at the end zone from 25-30 yards out; or (3) the clock runs out. Obviously, a touchdown is the best case scenario but it so unlikely that it probably isn't worth taking into account. Thus, your realistic best-case scenario is ONE shot at the end zone as opposed to two (or three shots), with the yardage being only marginally less. For my money, that's too much risk for very little reward. Even a 5-yard pass with the receiver going out of bounds would be preferable.
Didn't he get 21 yards out of it? If you've got 2, maybe 3 plays to take a shot at the end zone, it seems like one play that's nearly guaranteed to get you half is a good investment. As Bill said, it was shitty execution. That was their problem. If they hadn't bungled it, and they were very close to pulling it off, they'd have been in pretty decent position. Certainly better position than another lob into the end zone from 41 yards out.
The spot they gave him was at the 24, which was two more yards than he should have gotten had the play been properly spotted. He started his slide at the 26 (he then tried to self-spot the ball where he ended up at the 23, and the umpire moved it back only a yard), so he gained 14 or 16 yards. To me, having two or three shots from the 40 is MUCH preferable to having one shot from the 25. Is it better to be 37% closer? Absolutely. But it's not so much better to justify the risk of what happened. And if you really think being at the 25 is so much better than being at the 40, then throwing a 10-15 yard out is a MUCH lower risk way to get it. A play that relies on spiking the ball with 1-2 seconds on the clock is just a bad call because it relies on absolutely perfect execution and quick spotting by the officials.
I'm not sure I agree with the bolded. Plenty can go wrong with the quick pass, and the odds of it getting you more than those 12 yards are nonexistent. That draw was so unexpected it was guaranteed to get him those yards, and possibly a lot more more. Mind you I'm not defending the play. It was ill-conceived and poorly executed. At the time, assuming that they'd practiced and timed that play, the decision itself wasn't too terrible.
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Dung's tweet was correct. All anyone is talking about is the Cowboys last play, ignoring the 3,391 things they did wrong in that game. They were lucky as hell to even have a tinny tiny chance to win it at the end. They were outplayed and outcoached badly for practically the entire game.
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THAT....is a great one! :tup
btw...Who is the only team to lose a playoff game to the Lions during my lifetime?
Yeah...and after losing that game, the Cowboys proceeded to win three of the next four Super Bowls.
Still doesn't change the correct Jeopardy response ;)
Going back to the end of the 49ers game: the last 2 1/2 minutes took almost thirty minutes of real time to play. A tad ridiculous.
Because they run motion often, that 3rd and 10 end around was such a perfect call. I do have a beef about the review....how many other games is there a camera right at that spot? Sometimes there is a bit of overkill. Oh, and then if Jimmy G just lets #71 have that needed second to get set, it would have been game at that point.
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While I agree with "the world" that the Wild Card matchups produced some ridiculously one-sided games, I'm not jumping on any of the hype trains for any of the blowout winners. Historically, big blowout playoff wins are not at all an indicator of future success.
Here’s how the last 12 teams to win a playoff game by 30+ fared:
99 JAX-lost next gm
00 NYG-lost next gm
02 NYJ-lost next gm
03 IND-lost AFCCG
04 ATL-lost next gm
09 NO-won SB
09 MIN-lost next gm
11 NE-lost SB
14 NE-won SB
15 KC-lost next gm
15 CAR-lost next gm
17 PHI-won SB
Obviously I'm not saying huge winners will now lose... I'm saying that their next game is always going to be an even harder test against a higher-level playoff team. Every game is a completely new matchup and situation. It's a total reset.
And now for my Titans thoughts...
Man, I just don't get the folks out there (NFL Network, especially) calling the KC/Buffalo game the "real AFC Championship game." How ignorant of history can they be? Titans are literally 4-0 against the other 7 teams currently in the playoffs (with wins over both Buffalo and KC, incidentally).
And while Derrick Henry is one-of-a-kind and is indisputably the symbolic flag bearer of the Titans' football identity, I don't think the Titans even need him to be anything special to reach the Super Bowl- in fact, they could possibly even get there without him at all. In their road to the top seed, the Titans played more games without him than with him- those results were not flukes. Their Henry-less running game has been great at the end of the season as the team finally gets healthier and all their best (and 2nd-best, and 3rd-best...) players at each position finally return. And about that...
The Titans are literally at their absolute healthiest state of the whole entire season RIGHT NOW, for the very first time. Even for week 1, the Titans were missing multiple key pieces, and that only continued (and to an absurd unprecedented extent) for the rest of the season. They had an injury report during one week this season with 31 players out (NOT counting those already on injured reserve- like Henry). Yesterday the report was down to just 3, and even all 3 of those players practiced. The Titans don't get much national coverage, and the vast majority of what they do get is focused on Henry (his departure, his return, etc.) and not on what's happening throughout this very deep team... So I think that somehow, lost in the shuffle, most of the sports talk world out there doesn't see just how good the current Titans defense is. Not the injured defense that was literally starting 6th- and 7th-string practice squad players. But this version with almost everyone healthy. And when it comes to "Henry Watch 2022", I think the talking heads have failed to see how effective the offense can be even without Henry at all.
Combine that with consistently excellent preparation and in-game coaching from Vrabel and staff (no Cowboy-like blunders or penalty tallies with this team), and they are just about the last team I'd want to face in the playoffs (except maybe Green Bay?).
I'm *not* saying the Titans will cruise, or that they blow other teams away, or even counting on any victories at all. I'm just continually amazed at how so many just keep dismissing/overlooking the Titans, or viewing them as some sort of 1-trick pony, etc. that doesn't stack up to the other "contenders." There are 8 good teams left. And anyone thinking ANY team is a shoe-in for a conference title (the "real AFC title game..." pfffft :\) is suffering from myopic tunnel-vision, and is confusing Fantasy Football with the real thing.
My picks for this weekend (I'm terrible at these):
Titans vs Bengals
Packers vs 49ers
Buccaneers vs Rams
Chiefs vs Bills
Honestly, that's a pretty great lineup of games. Any one of those could easily go the other way. I'm probably also pulling for each of my picks above, except the Packers. I'm not a 49ers fan, but I'd like to see a Rams-49ers NFC title game.
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While I agree with "the world" that the Wild Card matchups produced some ridiculously one-sided games, I'm not jumping on any of the hype trains for any of the blowout winners. Historically, big blowout playoff wins are not at all an indicator of future success.
Here’s how the last 12 teams to win a playoff game by 30+ fared:
99 JAX-lost next gm
00 NYG-lost next gm
02 NYJ-lost next gm
03 IND-lost AFCCG
04 ATL-lost next gm
09 NO-won SB
09 MIN-lost next gm
11 NE-lost SB
14 NE-won SB
15 KC-lost next gm
15 CAR-lost next gm
17 PHI-won SB
Obviously I'm not saying huge winners will now lose... I'm saying that their next game is always going to be an even harder test against a higher-level playoff team. Every game is a completely new matchup and situation. It's a total reset.
Honestly, my takeaway from this was that 1 in 4 of these teams won the Super Bowl. That's pretty good odds. Also, if you lower the number 20+ points and also look at what the next game was, you get a somewhat different picture - the results are all over the map:
21 - TB beat KC by 22 in the SB
20 - KC beat HOU by 20 in the divisional round and went on to win the SB
18 - PHI beat MIN by 31 in the NFCCG and won the SB
18 - NE beat Tennessee by 21 in the divisional round and lost in the SB
17 - Atlanta beat GB by 23 in the NFCCG and lost in the SB (in the same year, NE beat PIT by 19 in the AFCCG and won the SB)
17 - GB beat NYG by 25 in the WC round and lost in the NFCCG
16 - CAR beat AZ by 34 in the NFCCG and lost in the SB
16 - KC beat HOU by 30 in the WC round and lost in the divisional round
15 - NE beat IND by 38 in the AFCCG and won the SB
14 - SEA beat DEN by 35 in the SB (we don't need to talk about this one)
14 - NE beat IND by 21 in the divisional round and lost in the AFCCG
12 - NYG beat ATL by 22 in the WC round and won the SB
12 - NE beat DEN by 35 in the divisional round and lost in the SB
12 - HOU beat CIN by 21 in the WC round and lost in the divisional round
11 - GB beat ATL by 27 in the divisional round and won the SB
11 - BAL beat KC by 23 in the WC round and lost in the divisional round
Also, of the four non-competitive games last weekend, one had a 30 point margin, two others had 20+ point margins, and the fourth had only a 16 point margin but was every bit as much of a blowout. Also, the four blowout winners will be playing each other in the next round, so it's inevitable that two of them will "lose their next game."
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THAT....is a great one! :tup
btw...Who is the only team to lose a playoff game to the Lions during my lifetime?
Yeah...and after losing that game, the Cowboys proceeded to win three of the next four Super Bowls.
Still doesn't change the correct Jeopardy response ;)
Going back to the end of the 49ers game: the last 2 1/2 minutes took almost thirty minutes of real time to play. A tad ridiculous.
Because they run motion often, that 3rd and 10 end around was such a perfect call. I do have a beef about the review....how many other games is there a camera right at that spot? Sometimes there is a bit of overkill. Oh, and then if Jimmy G just lets #71 have that needed second to get set, it would have been game at that point.
I'm not sure what your response is about because the Cowboys beat the Lions in the 2015 wildcard round.
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While I agree with "the world" that the Wild Card matchups produced some ridiculously one-sided games, I'm not jumping on any of the hype trains for any of the blowout winners. Historically, big blowout playoff wins are not at all an indicator of future success.
Here’s how the last 12 teams to win a playoff game by 30+ fared:
99 JAX-lost next gm
00 NYG-lost next gm
02 NYJ-lost next gm
03 IND-lost AFCCG
04 ATL-lost next gm
09 NO-won SB
09 MIN-lost next gm
11 NE-lost SB
14 NE-won SB
15 KC-lost next gm
15 CAR-lost next gm
17 PHI-won SB
Obviously I'm not saying huge winners will now lose... I'm saying that their next game is always going to be an even harder test against a higher-level playoff team. Every game is a completely new matchup and situation. It's a total reset.
Honestly, my takeaway from this was that 1 in 4 of these teams won the Super Bowl. That's pretty good odds. Also, if you lower the number 20+ points and also look at what the next game was, you get a somewhat different picture - the results are all over the map:
21 - TB beat KC by 22 in the SB
20 - KC beat HOU by 20 in the divisional round and went on to win the SB
18 - PHI beat MIN by 31 in the NFCCG and won the SB
18 - NE beat Tennessee by 21 in the divisional round and lost in the SB
17 - Atlanta beat GB by 23 in the NFCCG and lost in the SB (in the same year, NE beat PIT by 19 in the AFCCG and won the SB)
17 - GB beat NYG by 25 in the WC round and lost in the NFCCG
16 - CAR beat AZ by 34 in the NFCCG and lost in the SB
16 - KC beat HOU by 30 in the WC round and lost in the divisional round
15 - NE beat IND by 38 in the AFCCG and won the SB
14 - SEA beat DEN by 35 in the SB (we don't need to talk about this one)
14 - NE beat IND by 21 in the divisional round and lost in the AFCCG
12 - NYG beat ATL by 22 in the WC round and won the SB
12 - NE beat DEN by 35 in the divisional round and lost in the SB
12 - HOU beat CIN by 21 in the WC round and lost in the divisional round
11 - GB beat ATL by 27 in the divisional round and won the SB
11 - BAL beat KC by 23 in the WC round and lost in the divisional round
Also, of the four non-competitive games last weekend, one had a 30 point margin, two others had 20+ point margins, and the fourth had only a 16 point margin but was every bit as much of a blowout. Also, the four blowout winners will be playing each other in the next round, so it's inevitable that two of them will "lose their next game."
The bolded words are my point. I'm not saying teams that blow other teams out can't go on to do well. I'm saying they're not any more likely to go on and do well than teams that didn't blow out their opponents. Results are all over the place and not predictive of anything. Each playoff round is a total reset. (And the 30 point differential is just the arbitrary line where the list was made- it's not a point of statistical crossover or anything... My point is just about big winners not actually being anything more than just winners/advancers.)
1-in-4 winning SB after blowouts being good odds? They're not BAD odds, for sure. But that's another way of saying 3/4 of massive blowout winning playoff teams still lost in their next 1-2 games. Which would also apply, statistically, to every single team that won their game by a smaller margin, no?
I'm not disagreeing with you. Just clarifying that my point is that a blowout playoff win doesn't really mean anything historically or statistically other than winning a playoff game by any margin.
(Also- I do appreciate how you did the list of 20+ point blowouts, and also contextualized with which round the game was in. I didn't make the original 30+ point list, and yours is equally interesting to look at. Thanks.)
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THAT....is a great one! :tup
btw...Who is the only team to lose a playoff game to the Lions during my lifetime?
Yeah...and after losing that game, the Cowboys proceeded to win three of the next four Super Bowls.
Still doesn't change the correct Jeopardy response ;)
Going back to the end of the 49ers game: the last 2 1/2 minutes took almost thirty minutes of real time to play. A tad ridiculous.
Because they run motion often, that 3rd and 10 end around was such a perfect call. I do have a beef about the review....how many other games is there a camera right at that spot? Sometimes there is a bit of overkill. Oh, and then if Jimmy G just lets #71 have that needed second to get set, it would have been game at that point.
I'm not sure what your response is about because the Cowboys beat the Lions in the 2015 wildcard round.
The question was, "Who is the only team to lose a playoff game to the Lions during [DragonAttack's] lifetime?" The answer is the Cowboys -- in the divisional round on January 5, 1992 (and, coincidentally to the discussion I'm having with MusicMaker, the Lions won by 32 points and then lost to Washington in the NFCCG by 31 points, with Washington going on to win SB26). The fact that, more recently, the Cowboys beat the Lions, isn't relevant. That 1992 win is not only the Lions' last playoff win but their only playoff win in the last 64 seasons (unless you count the Bert Bell Benefit Bowl, aka the Playoff Bowl, which was a meaningless game played between the two NFL conference runners up in the last 10 pre-merger seasons, which the Lions won following the 1960-62 seasons*).
* - Or, to quote Vince Lombari, "the 'Shit Bowl', ...a losers' bowl for losers." "[A] hinky-dink football game, held in a hinky-dink town, played by hinky-dink players. That's all second place is – hinky dink."
The bolded words are my point. I'm not saying teams that blow other teams out can't go on to do well. I'm saying they're not any more likely to go on and do well than teams that didn't blow out their opponents. Results are all over the place and not predictive of anything. . . .
Gotcha. We're on the same page.
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Well, I'd be okay with a 49ers vs. Titan SB.
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I must say that I'm really looking forward to the two AFC games. I really have no idea who'll win those games. Pretty sure the Bucs and Packers are going to win. I think the Bucs could be close, but I think GB is going to rout the 49ers.
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I want Buffalo to get a shot. Pulling for them against KC.
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I have no delusions that what I want to happen (below) actually will happen:
Bengals @ Titans
Bills @ Chiefs
Rams @ Buccaneers
49ers @ Packers (I don't hate the 49ers like I used to, but this is definitely a lesser of two evils situation)
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...but I think GB is going to rout the 49ers.
Interesting. So what do you do with the fact that the '9ers run game is top 5 in the league, and the Packers' run defense is bottom 5, for example? And I could go on with other matchups too. But I hardly see this as a likely rout. At least, not the same direction you are predicting.
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...but I think GB is going to rout the 49ers.
Interesting. So what do you do with the fact that the '9ers run game is top 5 in the league, and the Packers' run defense is bottom 5, for example? And I could go on with other matchups too. But I hardly see this as a likely rout. At least, not the same direction you are predicting.
Ok let me rephrase. I think this will be the least close game. 28-13ish.
I mean the Chiefs can explode at any time but other than that…
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The Packers obviously have a huge edge at the most important position (QB), and also have home field and are coming off the bye, but the 49ers physical play gives them a real shot.
I saw a stat this morning that in the last 30 years of playoff football, of all QBs who have started at least two games, Garoppolo has the worst passer rating in the 4th quarter/OT, so it feels like a game where the 49ers will need to establish their physical dominance from the get-go, get a lead, and hope the defense and running game can make it stick. Mark Sanchez once won consecutive road games against teams QB'd by Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, so it is not unheard of for a great QB to lose a playoff game at home to a vastly inferior one.
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BUF v KC - BUF
Should be a great weekend of games, really looking forward to that Bills - Chiefs game, I think the Bills will eke out a win this time.
LA v TB - TB
Bucs should have their entire starting defense for the first time this season and even if Wirfs is out or limited the other guys will step up. This is definitely going to be a close game and Brady has a tough time beating Von Miller and if anything I think the defenses will settle the game.
SF v GB - GB
I think I read that Rodgers is 0-3 vs the 49ers in the playoffs, I get the feeling that is going to change.
CIN v TN - TN
I haven't seen a single game of the Bengals this year and I know they're riding high on that first playoff win since the invention of electricity or something, the Titans are getting all their starters so this should go their way.
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I wouldn't really be surprised at any possible outcomes for any of the games.
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I wouldn't really be surprised at any possible outcomes for any of the games.
Really going out on a limb there.
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The Packers obviously have a huge edge at the most important position (QB), and also have home field and are coming off the bye, but the 49ers physical play gives them a real shot.
I saw a stat this morning that in the last 30 years of playoff football, of all QBs who have started at least two games, Garoppolo has the worst passer rating in the 4th quarter/OT, so it feels like a game where the 49ers will need to establish their physical dominance from the get-go, get a lead, and hope the defense and running game can make it stick. Mark Sanchez once won consecutive road games against teams QB'd by Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, so it is not unheard of for a great QB to lose a playoff game at home to a vastly inferior one.
Even worse than Trent Dilfer!?! :o I really did not think that it was possible for anyone to have been lower. I also recall that the 49ers got out of their motion/sweep offense way too early against the Chiefs.
I have to give a nod to pg1067 for taking all the road teams. Every year I am so off in the divisional round by picking the wrong upset, that I'm just going with all the home teams. The Bengals will be missing a couple of key defensive players and Henry will be a good diversion...plus the Titans are damn good, the 49ers are hurting on D, and the Packers have a physically fit Rodgers (though they have often failed at home), the Chiefs D has improved, and TB has the advantage because the Rams fly cross country after the unfair and stupid MNF game.
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I thought this might be interesting:
Ranked QBs remaining (based on their recent play, not career):
1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Tom Brady
3. Joe Burrow
4. Josh Allen
5. Patrick Mahomes
6. Matthew Stafford
7. Jimmy Garappolo
8. Ryan Tannehill
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Rams have beaten Bucs twice in a row and have played a tougher schedule. Why is everyone picking Bucs? Oh right, we know which way the calls are going to go . . .
No way Buffalo can play a perfect game again. Still good enough to win on the road though.
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I thought this might be interesting:
Ranked QBs remaining (based on their recent play, not career):
1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Tom Brady
3. Joe Burrow
4. Josh Allen
5. Patrick Mahomes
6. Matthew Stafford
7. Jimmy Garappolo
8. Ryan Tannehill
Are these just your personal impression over an unspecified amount of time? The stats don't back this list up...
Per Turron Davenport (ESPN):
Ryan Tannehill had a 79.4 Total QBR over final 3 weeks of regular season (Weeks 16-18), 3rd best in NFL over span with 7 TD and 0 Int. Tannehill's 73% comp pct from Weeks 16-18 was the 3rd best in the NFL after Joe Burrow (79%) and Aaron Rodgers (74%). #Titans @ESPNStatsInfo
As for my own opinion, I think every one of these guys has plenty of what it takes to lead a playoff team. I disagree with the line of thinking that for the playoffs, QB is everything. I'd take great defense (and especially blitz-less pass rush) with a competent QB all day long over a team with a mediocre/poor defense and a great QB. Not for the season, but for the playoffs.
But if this is just "Post your own ranking of the 8 remaining playoff QBs based on how you feel they're currently playing" then that's cool and I've got no beef. Would be interesting to see what everyone thinks.
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I thought this might be interesting:
Ranked QBs remaining (based on their recent play, not career):
1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Tom Brady
3. Joe Burrow
4. Josh Allen
5. Patrick Mahomes
6. Matthew Stafford
7. Jimmy Garappolo
8. Ryan Tannehill
Based on what aspect(s) of their recent play?
Rams have beaten Bucs twice in a row and have played a tougher schedule. Why is everyone picking Bucs? Oh right, we know which way the calls are going to go . . .
Oh, stop.
Reasons to pick the Bucs
- The greatest QB of all time plays for them
- The game will be played in Tampa
- The Bucs are the defending Super Bowl champs
- Their head coach is 1-0 in Super Bowls and undefeated in the divisional round and also won two Super Bowls as an assistant coach
Reasons not to pick the Rams
- Their coach is 0-1 in Super Bowls and 1-1 in the divisional round
- Their QB had never won a playoff game before today and was a big contributor to the losses
- Their offensive genius head coach laid one of the biggest eggs of all time in the biggest game of his coaching career
- The leader of their offensive line likely will not play because of injury
Reasons to pick the Rams
- They beat the Bucs in week 3 of this season and week 11 last season
- They had a better strength of schedule
Reasons not to pic the Bucs
- They have a couple offensive linemen who are questionable for the game
I'm not saying the Rams can't or won't win, but people are picking the Bucs for legitimate reasons and not because of some perceived pro-Tom Brady conspiracy theory.
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We all saw what happened to KC when they lost three OL and had a hobbling QB in last year's SB. How well the Bucs replacements perform, along with how the team adapts, are the biggest challenges. All other things being equal, I'm taking Brady. If the Rams harass the hell out of him, and they certainly have the D to do it, it won't be a surprise if they win. I wouldn't be surprised at anything this weekend. They are all good matchups, that could result in two or twenty point wins. Such is this weekend.
oh, btw, is it still the 'Divisional Playoff Weekend', or 'Super Divisional Playoff Weekend' :D What was up with the 'Super Wildcard Weekend' BS anyway?
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But if this is just "Post your own ranking of the 8 remaining playoff QBs based on how you feel they're currently playing" then that's cool and I've got no beef. Would be interesting to see what everyone thinks.
That's kind of it. Add in a bit of "the guys I trust in the playoffs to carry their team if need be". Tannehill is adequate. If all else fails, is Tannehill going to put his team on his back and will them to victory? I'm not seeing it.
This is almost all my gut feeling; there's no science to this at all.
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I thought this might be interesting:
Ranked QBs remaining (based on their recent play, not career):
1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Tom Brady
3. Joe Burrow
4. Josh Allen
5. Patrick Mahomes
6. Matthew Stafford
7. Jimmy Garappolo
8. Ryan Tannehill
Based on what aspect(s) of their recent play?
Rams have beaten Bucs twice in a row and have played a tougher schedule. Why is everyone picking Bucs? Oh right, we know which way the calls are going to go . . .
Oh, stop.
Reasons to pick the Bucs
- The greatest QB of all time plays for them
- The game will be played in Tampa
- The Bucs are the defending Super Bowl champs
- Their head coach is 1-0 in Super Bowls and undefeated in the divisional round and also won two Super Bowls as an assistant coach
Reasons not to pick the Rams
- Their coach is 0-1 in Super Bowls and 1-1 in the divisional round
- Their QB had never won a playoff game before today and was a big contributor to the losses
- Their offensive genius head coach laid one of the biggest eggs of all time in the biggest game of his coaching career
- The leader of their offensive line likely will not play because of injury
Reasons to pick the Rams
- They beat the Bucs in week 3 of this season and week 11 last season
- They had a better strength of schedule
Reasons not to pic the Bucs
- They have a couple offensive linemen who are questionable for the game
I'm not saying the Rams can't or won't win, but people are picking the Bucs for legitimate reasons and not because of some perceived pro-Tom Brady conspiracy theory.
You forgot "ridiculous". :) :) :)
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I wouldn't really be surprised at any possible outcomes for any of the games.
Really going out on a limb there.
Well, I don't really see a fucking limb.
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I disagree with the line of thinking that for the playoffs, QB is everything. I'd take great defense (and especially blitz-less pass rush) with a competent QB all day long over a team with a mediocre/poor defense and a great QB. Not for the season, but for the playoffs.
Which is a big reason why the 49ers have dominated the Rodgers-led Packers in the playoffs, and why a lot of people are picking them to win this weekend. That and the run game disparity that I highlighted above are likely to be huge problems for the Packers if they don't have a solid plan to solve them.
In any case, I would really, REALLY like to see Jimmy G. win a SB with the '9ers before they part ways.
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I don't know who is actually going to win, but here is who I will be rooting for this weekend.
Cincinnati at Tennessee
San Francisco at Green Bay
Los Angeles at Tampa Bay
Buffalo at Kansas City
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Balance on a team is a big plus. Once in a while a team like the 2000 Ravens win but for the most part both side playing well is the reason a team wins a SB.
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I don't know who is actually going to win, but here is who I will be rooting for this weekend.
Cincinnati at Tennessee
San Francisco at Green Bay
Los Angeles at Tampa Bay
Buffalo at Kansas City
I'm rooting for all of the road teams, but I wouldn't be heartbroken if Tennessee won.
For those who are into history and trends, in the last 20 playoff seasons (from 2001/02 to 2020/21), home teams have dominated the divisional round, with a 56-24 record. Only once since the NFL/AFL merger did three road teams win in the divisional round (the 2008-09 season leading up to SB43).
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Yep, it is easy to forget, but getting a bye is usually pretty important. Now, it is only one team per conference instead of two, but it cannot be overlooked.
Titans/Bengals is hard to pick because of the uncertainty of D. Henry. If you tell me he is playing with no restrictions, I am taking them, but if he is not playing or only getting limited action, it is a different ball game, as Tannehill's play has dropped off a lot without him (week 18 against the Texans notwithstanding). Burrow to Chase looks like the next Montana to Rice or Manning to Harrison, but they might still be a year away.
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So, Fred Warner will play and is having no significant issues with the ankle. Also, Bosa is likely to play. What good is an MVP QB if he is unable to throw? :icandodgebullets:
Also, Jimmy G. will play and is having no significant issues with the shoulder.
If I were rooting for the Packers, I would be very nervous.
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Well, I'd be okay with a 49ers vs. Titan SB.
Same here.
Honestly, though, every remaining possible matchup looks pretty good. I really don't want KC-TB or KC-GB, but not because they wouldn't be good matchups. I'm mostly just tired of them (as I would be NE were they still alive). Aside from my Titans bias, I think a CIN or BUF SB appearance would also be refreshing in the same way as the Titans. I don't like the 49ers (as a Southern California native, I can't), but I *do* like their identity and play style (and coaching)- it's not about singular flash but about quality and discipline and toughness in all roles and aspects of the game. Honestly, this is probably my favorite Final 8 in many years.
Balance on a team is a big plus. Once in a while a team like the 2000 Ravens win but for the most part both side playing well is the reason a team wins a SB.
Amen. Absolutely.
I think playoff football (and especially winning a super bowl) is most often achieved by good defense, winning the line of scrimmage (both ways), team discipline, preparation (coaching), and collective desire/execution. Reliable running games usually carry the final game or two of the season far more often than dizzying firework offense, etc. There's still room for superstar players, sure, but even the success of singular stars in those closing games is directly correlated to (i.e. built on the backs of) success in those other far-less-glamorous areas. I just kinda roll my eyes when the conversation turns to things like "Will Mahomes [or insert QB of choice] carry his team to a title?". Well, if KC wins the Super Bowl it'll more likely be because they controlled the line of scrimmage, the coaches had the team well-prepared, they didn't commit stupid penalties, they remembered/executed all their assignments and reads, they didn't let anyone take out or chase their quarterback all over the field, they stopped/controlled the other team's offense, etc. When those other 52 players all do a great job, then yeah, I guess at that point "Mahomes will 'carry' his team", lol.
Don't get me wrong- I'd gladly take a better quarterback than a lesser quarterback- but every one of the 8 remaining QBs in the field is good enough to win it all, and I believe that like most years it's yet again going to come down to which team best does all the rest of the groundwork. Balance usually carries the day at this stage of the season.
Yep, it is easy to forget, but getting a bye is usually pretty important. Now, it is only one team per conference instead of two, but it cannot be overlooked.
In the Titans' case, it may make an enormous difference. But not necessarily because of Henry- because of ALL the players they were missing. This team was SO banged up, they broke the NFL record by week 12 (with 5 weeks still to go!).
While the Bengals have played 10 straight weeks (a tough slog for any team), the Titans have had 2 byes and 1 mini-bye (the rest after an early Thursday game). There's no doubt that's an advantage.
Titans/Bengals is hard to pick because of the uncertainty of D. Henry. If you tell me he is playing with no restrictions, I am taking them, but if he is not playing or only getting limited action, it is a different ball game...
Perhaps. But the Titans went 6-3 without Henry. Including wins over the Rams, the 49ers, the Saints, and the "hottest team in the NFL" Dolphins (8 straight wins). And honestly, Tennessee's run game still looked really good without him. It's not like Tennessee's run game was all or nothing. I'd rather have it with Henry, sure, but the team kept the exact same approach without him and was still really successful. Tannehill's production was down without Henry, but that's misleading, because he was without ANY of his weapons for much of the season. He wasn't just missing Henry, he was missing his top 4 receivers, his best 2-3(or 4) linemen, was having to run with a 4th string running back, etc. It's not coincidence that Tannehill's numbers started to look elite again as the rest of his (non-Henry) cast finally started returning to the field in the last few games of the season.
The game should be good- Bengals have a shot to win for sure. And that's true even if Henry plays, and even if Henry comes out as his old incredible MVP-level self. BUT the flip side is also true. Titans can definitely win this without Henry- they still have all the other pieces of their game intact, and they are strong and balanced.
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So, Fred Warner will play and is having no significant issues with the ankle. Also, Bosa is likely to play. What good is an MVP QB if he is unable to throw? :icandodgebullets:
Also, Jimmy G. will play and is having no significant issues with the shoulder.
If I were rooting for the Packers, I would be very nervous.
Why? Maybe Rodgers gets Covid and misses the NFC CG?
Oh, and for the record, I am rooting HARD for the 49ers.
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Interesting take today from ESPN Radio:
Every team has a roadmap to victory this weekend. Meaning, every team can win their game without relying on wildly out of character performances from their opponents. I think I agree with that.
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Interesting take today from ESPN Radio:
Every team has a roadmap to victory this weekend. Meaning, every team can win their game without relying on wildly out of character performances from their opponents. I think I agree with that.
I agree with that. I think all the teams here belong and are SB contenders.
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Interesting take today from ESPN Radio:
Every team has a roadmap to victory this weekend. Meaning, every team can win their game without relying on wildly out of character performances from their opponents. I think I agree with that.
Boom. ESPN just said in 2 sentences what I’ve been saying in multiple paragraphs.
I totally agree, and that may be the first and last time I’ve praised ESPN in a long, long, time.
I also agree with Bosk. 8 legitimate contenders left. No Cinderellas. No flukes. Now we just need the officials to not ruin the remaining 7 games!
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8 legitimate contenders left. No Cinderellas. No flukes. Now we just need the officials to not ruin the remaining 7 games!
Sadly, this seems like the most unlikely scenario of all posted thus far. :lol :facepalm:
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Bosa no longer "likely" to play. He has officially cleared concussion protocol and is a lock to play.
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Tenn/Cinci is a surprisingly tough game to pick. Strangely, it may well be decided by the opening coin toss. If the Bengals get the ball first and establish a fast paced passing game it'll be a long game for Tenn. Otherwise I suspect a pretty close game.
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Since I am all but mathematically eliminated from the Pick 'em, I don't really care who wins/loses from here on out. So I gotta go with the fall back position of just hoping for good, competitive games all around.
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I’m still competing for 1st in the Pick’em so I won’t be posting any picks here. ;)
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6-0 Bengals early, but the Titans pass rush is getting to Burrow. Feels like a turnover or two will swing this game one way or the other.
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A lot of sloppiness on both sides.
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Bengals fans gonna be pissed about that one.
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Can’t see how you call that a catch on the interception.
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What a kick. My leg would be jelly.
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Vrabel shit the bed there in the last two minutes. Yikes.
Way to go, Bengals!!
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I don't want a game to hinge on special teams, but I do like it when a kicker nails one straight down the middle as time expires to win.
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What a kick. My leg would be jelly.
Your leg IS jelly! :lol
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Not that jelly. Jelly jelly! :lol
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So Tannehill's first and last plays of that game were both interceptions. Cool.
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Well, the Niners offense looks terrible so far...
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Well, the Niners offense looks terrible so far...
They had guys open, Jimmy hit them in the hands, and they dropped them. Wtf.
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Well, the Niners offense looks terrible so far...
They had guys open, Jimmy hit them in the hands, and they dropped them. Wtf.
Those receivers have fucked him big time. 3 drops so far?
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Home field advantage has its advantages.
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Jimmy G :facepalm:
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Garropolo looks AWFUL. That pick was inexcusable.
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“I’m telling you. Jimmy G can win games!” - Terry Bradshaw in the pre-game show.
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Garropolo looks AWFUL. That pick was inexcusable.
He hasn't been bad. His receivers have been far worse. But that pick, yes I'll give you that.
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And now the 49ers secondary says, "oh yeah...check this out."
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Garropolo looks AWFUL. That pick was inexcusable.
He hasn't been bad. His receivers have been far worse. But that pick, yes I'll give you that.
No one in a white jersey is playing well (except that guy that just (almost) forced a fumble).
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Packers special team has been awful but lucky for them 9ers offense isn't doing much.
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Wow, what a stop on defense and then the blocked punt/TD. Wow.
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Up until that blocked punt, this has been one of the most boring close games I can recall.
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Up until that blocked punt, this has been one of the most boring close games I can recall.
Agreed.
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But right now, this game is engaging.
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Packers special teams have been abysmal all season. Truly fitting way to end another disappointing finish if they lose.
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I think because this year I've been paying attention to defensive play a lot, I find these type of grind it out games really exciting. The 9ers defense has been stellar this 2nd half. Wonder if Jimmy G will end the game with a pick 6.
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:lol Classic shot of Gould taking his helmet off and holding it in front of the heater before putting it back on and doing FG warmups just now.
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Holy shit 49'ers win.
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Wowww I'm 0-2 on my picks so far, who'd have thought both #1 seeds would get kicked out with last second field goals. Crazy, please Bucs be at least the one home team to win tomorrow.
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The Packers terrible special teams come back to haunt them.
Ugly last game for Rodgers as a Packer.
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I don't want a game to hinge on special teams, but I do like it when a kicker nails one straight down the middle as time expires to win.
How prophetic of me.
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But right now, this game is engaging.
Yeah...from the blocked punt until the end, it was really good. That's two road team wins so far. Hoping for two more tomorrow.
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YES!!!!! Not the way they planned it, but we'll take it.
My oldest is a huge fan, but is in Tampa in college. Wish I could have watched it with him, but we were texting the whole game, so it kind of felt like we were together. I texted him earlier that this season felt "lost" so many times this year, but they bounced back, and no matter what were to happen tonight, it is just so much fun being able to see them playing in Lambeau in the snow in January with a chance to advance to the NFCCG.
I'm booking my flight to Tampa!
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As great as Rodgers is, tonight was a good example of why he has so few 4th quarter comebacks. When the going got tough late, he looked like he didn't care. Meanwhile, Jimmy G then went out there and completed two key passes on their last drive.
There is a reason Rodgers only has 1 Super Bowl win.
That said, I'd still take Rodgers in Denver next year. :lol :lol
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It appears the Packers only had 10 players out on the winning field goal.
I can’t even.
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As great as Rodgers is, tonight was a good example of why he has so few 4th quarter comebacks. When the going got tough late, he looked like he didn't care. Meanwhile, Jimmy G then went out there and completed two key passes on their last drive.
There is a reason Rodgers only has 1 Super Bowl win.
That said, I'd still take Rodgers in Denver next year. :lol :lol
Same. Although him going to Denver would be a mixed bag for me. I'd be happy about him being out of Green Bay so I can root for them again. But I'd be bummed to see him out of Denver so that I can't root for them again. :lol
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It appears the Packers only had 10 players out on the winning field goal.
I can’t even.
Condolences, man. I know it's hard when your team looks so good all season and is expected to go all the way. But I will say that I LOVE the 49ers/Packers rivalry. It's just a fun rivalry, IMO, and it isn't based on the teams disliking each other, but is based on the fact that they tend to meet up when both teams are contenders. Anyhow, better luck next year (as long as they aren't playing the '9ers) At least you've still got the Bucks.
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Love these games where one team just seems like they are willing themselves to win, and that was the 49ers tonight. That fourth quarter was money (and I'm just a football fan; I have no dog in that hunt).
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As great as Rodgers is, tonight was a good example of why he has so few 4th quarter comebacks. When the going got tough late, he looked like he didn't care.
He doesn't need me to defend him, but I get the sense that is just his demeanor. And as someone who has been accused of looking like they don't care when they really do on multiple occasions, I can commiserate.
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So how's that Rodgers is better than Brady fans feel right now?
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Matt Barrows
@mattbarrows
Surreal scene post game: All the Packers fans, their heads and shoulders dusted with snow, are filing out like zombies. It’s like something from beyond the wall in Game of Thrones.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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So how's that Rodgers is better than Brady fans feel right now?
Rodgers will still win the MVP, and he should, but that is a regular season award. The playoffs are a very different animal.
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Surreal scene post game: All the Packers fans, their heads and shoulders dusted with snow, are filing out like zombies. It’s like something from beyond the wall in Game of Thrones.
:lol
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It appears the Packers only had 10 players out on the winning field goal.
I can’t even.
LaFleur channeling his inner Marty Schottenheimer, eh? Amazing in the regular season, dreadful in the postseason.
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So how's that Rodgers is better than Brady fans feel right now?
Rodgers will still win the MVP, and he should, but that is a regular season award. The playoffs are a very different animal.
Mvp's for the regular season is made for Rodgers.
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It appears the Packers only had 10 players out on the winning field goal.
I can’t even.
Condolences, man. I know it's hard when your team looks so good all season and is expected to go all the way. But I will say that I LOVE the 49ers/Packers rivalry. It's just a fun rivalry, IMO, and it isn't based on the teams disliking each other, but is based on the fact that they tend to meet up when both teams are contenders. Anyhow, better luck next year (as long as they aren't playing the '9ers) At least you've still got the Bucks.
It’d be a better rivalry if the Packers won more. ;)
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So at this point I'd love to see a Bills-49ers Super Bowl. If only to watch the Niners hand the Bills their 5th Super Bowl loss. Maybe the Bills can repeat the '90s and get 4 straight Super Bowl losses in a row again. :biggrin:
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So at this point I'd love to see a Bills-49ers Super Bowl. If only to watch the Niners hand the Bills their 5th Super Bowl loss. Maybe the Bills can repeat the '90s and get 4 straight Super Bowl losses in a row again. :biggrin:
That would be amazing. Both because of the 49ers winning and the Bills losing. :lol
Honestly, with the Titans out now, there is nobody left on the AFC side that I care even a little bit about. If it ends up being Rams vs. whoever in the AFC, I probably won't even watch the SB.
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Well...that was one hell of a game.
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So how's that Rodgers is better than Brady fans feel right now?
Rodgers will still win the MVP, and he should, but that is a regular season award. The playoffs are a very different animal.
Mvp's for the regular season is made for Rodgers.
Well, to be fair, Rodgers had a lot of bad luck in the playoffs in his career. He has lost playoff games in which his team allowed 51, 37, 45, 44 and 37 points. He has lost two postseason games in which the game went to OT and he never got to touch the ball due to the GB defense allowing a touchdown on the first drive. But even though special teams is most to blame, last night's loss is one that will stick to him because, fair or not, QBs are judged off of playoffs wins and losses (look at your boy TB12 still getting mad props for that first Super Bowl win against the Rams even though he was mediocre for practically that entire postseason), and Rodgers losing that game while scoring only 10 points at home will leave a mark.
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I like Aaron Rodgers but he was making a massive doofus out of himself publicly over the last several weeks. I won't regret not having to hear much from him over the next few weeks.
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Kev, Brady seems to win scoring high or low. Does what he has to do.
Fo you feel the same about Rodgers?
The last SB vs. The Rams Brady makes the play he gas to to get that TD. Rodgers doesn't.
That's the difference.
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Guys, please don't poke fun at Aaron Rodgers for losing last night, I don't think he can stand a good needling :biggrin:
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I didn't expect GB to loose but man what a game last night.
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Kev, Brady seems to win scoring high or low. Does what he has to do.
Fo you feel the same about Rodgers?
The last SB vs. The Rams Brady makes the play he gas to to get that TD. Rodgers doesn't.
That's the difference.
That's a cute narrative, but that is all it is: a narrative based on how one wants to see it.
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Oh, and this is where I feel the need to remind you all that I bet $100 on the Bucs to win this year's Super Bowl last spring when they were +900.
I look forward to getting my thousand bucks next month when TB12 wins his 392nd Super Bowl.
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Guys, please don't poke fun at Aaron Rodgers for losing last night, I don't think he can stand a good needling :biggrin:
:lol
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...but I think GB is going to rout the 49ers.
Interesting. So what do you do with the fact that the '9ers run game is top 5 in the league, and the Packers' run defense is bottom 5, for example? And I could go on with other matchups too. But I hardly see this as a likely rout. At least, not the same direction you are predicting.
Ok let me rephrase. I think this will be the least close game. 28-13ish.
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No Wirfs for Bucs, defense is starting all their players for the first time since the Super Bowl. Going to be a good game *I hope*
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Welp 10-0 to the Rams, I know the offense will make it close but I think I know how this game will end.
Not a good start at all.
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How is Cooper Kupp THAT wide open?? Looks like the Pats' secondary out there.
On a 3rd and 20??
That was a shitty attempt at tackling by the safety. :lol
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Bucs look like they're barely there.
And where's that Tom Brady conspiracy guy? No roughing the passer call AND Brady's first ever unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.
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And where's that Tom Brady conspiracy guy? No roughing the passer call AND Brady's first ever unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.
Found him!
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I thought for sure the Bucs were going to easily win this game, but they are getting their asses kicked right now. And I really wanted to see the Niners defense sack Brady for an entire game....
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Legit surprised the Rams didn't go for 2 there. Making it 28-3 would definitively put it out of reach.
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Rams D is scary.
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Legit surprised the Rams didn't go for 2 there. Making it 28-3 would definitively put it out of reach.
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Legit surprised the Rams didn't go for 2 there. Making it 28-3 would definitively put it out of reach.
:lol :lol
Matt Ryan has taken over Chris's account.
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Uh oooooohhh. :lol
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And where's that Tom Brady conspiracy guy? No roughing the passer call AND Brady's first ever unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.
Maybe the league have gotten smart, stopped trying to push him as likable and instead realized that most fans are all actively rooting against his success.
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👀
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:rollin
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I don’t want this…
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MOTHERFUCKER!!!
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Legit surprised the Rams didn't go for 2 there. Making it 28-3 would definitively put it out of reach.
YOU ALL THOUGHT I WAS KIDDING.
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There's no one happier than Matt Ryan.
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Well this game took a turn.
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That last quarter was a nail biter.
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Oh my god I’m so happy.
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WOW, what awful defense on that last drive.
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Ridiculous game.
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What a game.
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All three games have had a three point differential.
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Rams/49ers for the NFC Championship. Bosk are you gonna be okay next week?
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All three games have had a three point differential.
And they were all last second field goals.
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I'm gonna throw up.
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So...there was a lot of chatter about Brady possibly retiring after this season. I wasn't sure what to make of it. He has a ton of money coming to him next year, and he has stated that he wanted to play until he's 45.
But....he looked awfully at peace after the game. I don't think I've ever seen that from him before.
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if was Rams/49ers of 1988, I would love to have seen that.
Rams/49ers of 2022..blech.
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Legit surprised the Rams didn't go for 2 there. Making it 28-3 would definitively put it out of reach.
YOU ALL THOUGHT I WAS KIDDING.
I thought you were being facetious, but no one who's watched football for more than five years thought this game was over. :lol
All three games have had a three point differential.
All three games end on a walk-off field goal, and, for only the second time in NFL history, road teams have won three games in the divisional round. I was behind on my DVR and literally just saw the ending. Holy shit!
Go Bills!
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Congrats to the 49ers. If they are getting points next week against the spread, I may need to take out a small loan to put money on them. Shanahan owns McVay, and the Rams Bad News Bears routine won't work against them.
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So...there was a lot of chatter about Brady possibly retiring after this season. I wasn't sure what to make of it. He has a ton of money coming to him next year, and he has stated that he wanted to play until he's 45.
But....he looked awfully at peace after the game. I don't think I've ever seen that from him before.
It started because he delayed the last episode for that ESPN+ show. I think he wanted the whole picture of this season personally.
He always said 45 so I'm thinking next year is his last year
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So at this point I'd love to see a Bills-49ers Super Bowl. If only to watch the Niners hand the Bills their 5th Super Bowl loss. Maybe the Bills can repeat the '90s and get 4 straight Super Bowl losses in a row again. :biggrin:
I still go back to my friend whose a Minnesota Native/ Bills lifer fans theory, we need a Bills/Vikings SB..that way 1 of them will finally get out of the 0-win category. It is for that reason, I actually don't want the Bills to win, as much as I don't have anything against them, I just think 2 teams 0-4 in the SB would make for a super compelling story.
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:lol AWESOME!!
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Kev is tearing up his Bucs SB bet sheet, Bosk had to cancel travel plans to Tampa (sad and glad for you at the same time), pg1067 is almost there on picking all the road teams...
And Matt Stafford had to be going 'WTF! I thought I quit playing for the Lions' during that bizarre final 30 minutes and 20 seconds. LA did almost everything imaginable (and then some) to give the game away. I think they would have folded like an omelette in OT, but what a couple of great throws and catches at the end.
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The Chiefs are gaining momentum. The road team might fall in this one.
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I chime in maybe 0.01 percent during games here and on a Ravens board, but the Bills not going for it with the score 17-14 on 4th and 1 was a huge mistake.
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Bills defense needs to step it up. SO...MANY...MISSED...TACKLES.
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I’ve been watching football for 46 years and I promise you I do not remember a single weekend of football ever in my life that was as white knuckle as this one was.
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No matter who wins this one, this is the game of the year.
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Wow, Tony Romo sucks. WTF happened to him?
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ARE. YOU. KIDDING. ME????
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This game is crazy!
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Goddamn!
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Gabriel Davis is eating free in Buffalo for the rest of his life.
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Three good games so far.
Oh what a surprise! Jim Nantz calling a Patrick Mahomes game! He’s like his personal announcer! And Romo calling him Superman. Please. I asked the bar I’m at to turn down the sound but they wouldn’t. Ah well.
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HOLY SHIT!!!
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ARE. YOU. KIDDING. ME????
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Horrible pass coverage!
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ARE. YOU. KIDDING. ME????
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ARE. YOU. KIDDING. ME????
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This game is unbelievable.
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pg beat me to it. :rollin
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My goodness what a game. Of course KC kicker has left 4 points on the board so he’s still the choker if they lose.
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Actual photo of the Bills' defense.
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/715RdlaT3KS._AC_SX466_.jpg)
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In all of my years watching football, that might be the best game I’ve ever seen.
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Incredible game, but disappointing finish. I hate when the coin toss basically decides the game, which it did here since neither defense was stopping the other at the end.
Buffalo was stupid to kick that into the end zone with 13 seconds left. Kick it short and make the Chiefs burn 5-7 seconds on the run back. No way can they then get in FG range to tie it. How is that NFL coaches cannot figure that out? Unreal.
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What a weekend of games.
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In all of my years watching football, that might be the best game I’ve ever seen.
With that said, the NFL needs to change that overtime rule. For Josh Allen to play the game that he did and not have a chance to get on the field and potentially win it is a crime.
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That Mahomes guy is pretty super, man.
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With that said, they need to change that overtime rule. For Josh Allen to play the game that he did and not have a chance to get on the field and potentially win it is a crime.
It also shows how dumb it really is to attribute wins and losses to the quarterback. Allen played out of his mind, but since he lost, he "didn't do enough to win." It makes no sense.
Yes, Joe, that is to you. :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Incredible game, but disappointing finish. I hate when the coin toss basically decides the game, which it did here since neither defense was stopping the other at the end.
Buffalo was stupid to kick that into the end zone with 13 seconds left. Kick it short and make the Chiefs burn 5-7 seconds on the run back. No way can they then get in FG range to tie it. How is that NFL coaches cannot figure that out? Unreal.
Agree.
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God I hate Kansas City. Tyreek Hill can eat my ass and balls. At least when the Patriots dominated for 20 years (as opposed to KC’s, what three, four years of really good?) they didn’t flash peace signs while running down the sidelines.
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Was watching the end of the 4th quarter as I was finishing up dinner prep. Saw the Bills score that TD, and told the kids it was time to eat. Literally grabbed the remote and had my finger on the power button to turn it off, and thought "eh, might as well leave it on, the way this weekend has been."
And Romo calling him Superman.
Sad when my first thought upon hearing that was you. And he just tossed a pass down the middle. He should go to his InstaTwittFace page and say "Throwing 15 year passes down the middle with great O-line protection is my Super Power!"
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With that said, they need to change that overtime rule. For Josh Allen to play the game that he did and not have a chance to get on the field and potentially win it is a crime.
It also shows how dumb it really is to attribute wins and losses to the quarterback. Allen played out of his mind, but since he lost, he "didn't do enough to win." It makes no sense.
Yes, Joe, that is to you. :biggrin: :biggrin:
Agreed. It’s not Allen’s fault that his defense picked the worst time to completely shit the bed.
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Inexcusable for the Bills D to allow KC to tie that game. Mahommes or not…….you should be able to hold a team with 13 seconds to go. Poor choice to kick,it deep and not run time off the clock. I can’t stand KC but the Bills deserve that loss after that.
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God I hate Kansas City. Tyreek Hill can eat my ass and balls. At least when the Patriots dominated for 20 years (as opposed to KC’s, what three, four years of really good?) they didn’t flash peace signs while running down the sidelines.
I love this. As a Pats fan you deserve to hate something as much as we all hate the Pats :lol
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Agree that the NFL OT rule is just dumb. Period. To have the fate of a game determined by a coin toss…..so dumb.
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God I hate Kansas City. Tyreek Hill can eat my ass and balls. At least when the Patriots dominated for 20 years (as opposed to KC’s, what three, four years of really good?) they didn’t flash peace signs while running down the sidelines.
I love this. As a Pats fan you deserve to hate something as much as we all hate the Pats :lol
I’m getting sick of KC, but I’ll take another decade of their dominance over ever seeing the Patriots win again.
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It's a pisser because it was an incredible weekend of NFL football, only to have the last game decided by the coin flip. It was a thud ending to an otherwise great weekend of ball.
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In all of my years watching football, that might be the best game I’ve ever seen.
For me it was the Chargers v. Dolphins game back in 1982 (leading up to SB16). Chargers took a 24-0 lead after the first quarter, and then the Dolphins scored 17 unanswered points in the second. It was tied after the third quarter. The Chargers kicker botched a 27-yard field goal, and then the Chargers blocked a kick by Miami before SD won on a field goal toward the end of the first OT. The game is most known for a dehydrated Kellen Winslow being helped off the field (the temperature at game time was 88 degrees, and the following week, the Chargers played in Cincinnati with the temperature being -9F (-51F with the wind chill).
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For Pete’s sake! They already changed the OT rules once under sketchy evidence. Now you guys want them to change it even more?
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For Pete’s sake! They already changed the OT rules once under sketchy evidence. Now you guys want them to change it even more?
Yes. We are seeing too many playoff games decided by coin flips (Seattle/GB in 2016, NE/ATL Super Bowl, KC/NE in 2018, tonight's game). I used to take the "play some defense and you'll get the ball in OT" stance, but the rules have been changed too much to benefit offenses to where games like this where both offenses are rolling get decided literally by whichever team calls heads or tails correctly or incorrectly.
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Bottom line… even with the old rules, the statistics showed that the team that won the coin toss only won roughly 50% of the time.
There is no statistical advantage to winning the coin toss…period.
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Yeah that’s not the greatest ever. I’ve got three or four ahead of that. The Kelley Winslow game from ‘82 for one.
Look I get it, with the Pats, but it’s not that you win it’s HOW you win. Never begrudged the Raiders or Steelers their wins. The Giants or the 49ers. Good to share with the St. Louis Rams. Tyreek Hill is a thug. Find me a thug in the 20 years of the Patriots.
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Three good games so far.
Oh what a surprise! Jim Nantz calling a Patrick Mahomes game! He’s like his personal announcer! And Romo calling him Superman. Please. I asked the bar I’m at to turn down the sound but they wouldn’t. Ah well.
Man why are you doubling down on the hate?? Mahomes just did something no other QB in history could have done. 177 yards AFTER the 2 minute warning.
KC: 552 yards, 30 first downs, 0 turnovers against the #1 defense. Might be the greatest performance I’ve seen yet.
The horseshoe gave Brady FOUR fumbles. I’m amazed Rams won but Stafford is clutch.
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Yeah that’s not the greatest ever. I’ve got three or four ahead of that. The Kelley Winslow game from ‘82 for one.
Look I get it, with the Pats, but it’s not that you win it’s HOW you win. Never begrudged the Raiders or Steelers their wins. The Giants or the 49ers. Good to share with the St. Louis Rams. Tyreek Hill is a thug. Find me a thug in the 20 years of the Patriots.
Aaron Hernandez.
Come on, dude, you made that a bit too easy. :P :biggrin:
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Just an unreal set of games we got this weekend. Truly unbelievable. I hate that all my picks were wrong. I am still sick to my stomach with the way the game ended for the Bucs. I don't think the next three games will close to what we saw this weekend.
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Just an unreal set of games we got this weekend. Truly unbelievable. I hate that all my picks were wrong. I am still sick to my stomach with the way the game ended for the Bucs. I don't think the next three games will close to what we saw this weekend.
I wouldn’t’ be too sick. They were gifted 4 fumbles. Game should never have been close.
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Yeah that’s not the greatest ever. I’ve got three or four ahead of that. The Kelley Winslow game from ‘82 for one.
Look I get it, with the Pats, but it’s not that you win it’s HOW you win. Never begrudged the Raiders or Steelers their wins. The Giants or the 49ers. Good to share with the St. Louis Rams. Tyreek Hill is a thug. Find me a thug in the 20 years of the Patriots.
Aaron Hernandez.
Come on, dude, you made that a bit too easy. :P :biggrin:
Rodney Harrison.
I HATE him. I refused to watch the NBC pre-game stuff for years because I could not stand to hear that man speak. Voted Dirtiest Player multiple times by both players and coaches. Pretty easy one.
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Bottom line… even with the old rules, the statistics showed that the team that won the coin toss only won roughly 50% of the time.
There is no statistical advantage to winning the coin toss…period.
Do you honestly believe the Chiefs still win this game if they lose the coin flip?
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Bottom line… even with the old rules, the statistics showed that the team that won the coin toss only won roughly 50% of the time.
There is no statistical advantage to winning the coin toss…period.
Do you honestly believe the Chiefs still win this game if they lose the coin flip?
I am saying quite plainly, that there is no statistical advantage to winning the coin toss.
Any given Sunday.
EDIT - show me the statistical evidence that states the Chiefs would have lost if they lost the coin toss.
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I don't care what the stats say. I know what my eyes saw.
Whoever won the coin toss was winning that game tonight. And it was already known that the winner of that game would then be the Vegas favorite to win it all, so it is very possible that the Super Bowl champion was decided by a coin flip. That is a problem.
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Bottom line… even with the old rules, the statistics showed that the team that won the coin toss only won roughly 50% of the time.
There is no statistical advantage to winning the coin toss…period.
Do you honestly believe the Chiefs still win this game if they lose the coin flip?
I am saying quite plainly, that there is no statistical advantage to winning the coin toss.
Any given Sunday.
EDIT - show me the statistical evidence that states the Chiefs would have lost if they lost the coin toss.
This doesn’t answer my question.
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As much as I love my sobriety, I sometimes really regret that my main AA meeting is at 6pm on Sundays. :lol
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For Pete’s sake! They already changed the OT rules once under sketchy evidence. Now you guys want them to change it even more?
Yes. We are still seeing too many playoff games decided by coin flips (Seattle/GB in 2016, NE/ATL Super Bowl, KC/NE in 2018, tonight's game). I used to take the "play some defense and you'll get the ball in OT" stance, but the rules have been changed too much to benefit offenses to where games like this where both offenses are rolling get decided literally by whichever team calls heads or tails correctly or incorrectly.
Agree. The current rule wasn't well thought out, so yeah, when a rule change doesn't solve the problem, it should be changed further. This would be like if, in baseball, the visiting team only scores the Manfred runner, then the home team gets a chance but, if the visitor scores another run, the home team doesn't even get to bat. Or if, in basketball a team scores a three on its first possession, the game is over. Sudden death really only makes sense in hockey, and having a flip of a coin play such an important role in determining a winner is bloody stupid.
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Here is a fun stat. No, let's call it a fun fact.
Since 2014, eight playoff games have gone to overtime.
In six of the eight, the team that won the coin toss scored a touchdown on their first OT drive and won the game.
That is a problem.
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Three good games so far.
Oh what a surprise! Jim Nantz calling a Patrick Mahomes game! He’s like his personal announcer! And Romo calling him Superman. Please. I asked the bar I’m at to turn down the sound but they wouldn’t. Ah well.
Man why are you doubling down on the hate?? Mahomes just did something no other QB in history could have done. 177 yards AFTER the 2 minute warning.
KC: 552 yards, 30 first downs, 0 turnovers against the #1 defense. Might be the greatest performance I’ve seen yet.
The horseshoe gave Brady FOUR fumbles. I’m amazed Rams won but Stafford is clutch.
HAHA. Given your history with Brady, my “hate” is like 50 Shades of Gray. I never said anything bad about Mahomes, actually. It WAS very good. Tyreek Hill is the thig. And when Mahomes does it 6 more times, he’ll absolutely get my love. He’s a great player. I don’t like his team and the premature anointing he gets.
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Here is a fun stat. No, let's call it a fun fact.
Since 2014, eight playoff games have gone to overtime.
In six of the eight, the team that won the coin toss scored a touchdown on their first OT drive and won the game.
That is a problem.
I’m with you.
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Here is a fun stat. No, let's call it a fun fact.
Since 2014, eight playoff games have gone to overtime.
In six of the eight, the team that won the coin toss scored a touchdown on their first OT drive and won the game.
That is a problem.
While not admitting that it is necessarily a problem, I humbly bow to someone who is at least presenting a rocksolid statistic.
This is a very valid point. But I still think the statistical pool is currently too small to draw an absolute conclusion.
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Wow, Tony Romo sucks. WTF happened to him?
Compared to when? I'm being serious. He's always been childish, giddy, over rambling, and such a Captain Obvious....when I used to listen to him and Nantz. Now we have the volume on just enough to be able to hear the crowd noise.
Chris Collinsworth is so superior to any analyst, except....he won't shut up. Thus, we've turned the volume down on NBC games as well over the last couple of years.
As to O.T. rules: so, what's the solution to the present format? If you go back to when it started, teams are 7-4 by scoring a TD on the opening possession. It sure is eons better than 'simply' having to get a FG. The very first game was Tebow's 80 yard TD pass on the first play against the Steelers. I can also remember the following year in Denver, and that game went to 2 OTs. It's also interesting when you look at the fact that had some 'simply' stopped their opponent from scoring on the last drive of regulation, they would have won their games. You can't blame that on a coin toss.
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Rams/49ers for the NFC Championship. Bosk are you gonna be okay next week?
Yup. It's going to be kinda awkward for the Rams, though. I know how proud they are of their new stadium. But having permanent champaign stains all over the visitors' locker room after next Sunday is going to be a bummer for them.
As for the overtime rules, precisely zero teams in the history of the NFL have won or lost a game because of the coin toss. Buffalo didn't lose because of the coin toss. They lost because they failed to score more points than the Chiefs, period. You want a chance at your offense having the ball in overtime after losing the coin toss? Have your defense stop the opposing offense. Plain and simple.
That said, as much as I wanted to see the Chiefs get booted out of the playoffs, I hope they win next week so the 49ers can get revenge for 2 years ago.
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Three good games so far.
Oh what a surprise! Jim Nantz calling a Patrick Mahomes game! He’s like his personal announcer! And Romo calling him Superman. Please. I asked the bar I’m at to turn down the sound but they wouldn’t. Ah well.
Man why are you doubling down on the hate?? Mahomes just did something no other QB in history could have done. 177 yards AFTER the 2 minute warning.
KC: 552 yards, 30 first downs, 0 turnovers against the #1 defense. Might be the greatest performance I’ve seen yet.
The horseshoe gave Brady FOUR fumbles. I’m amazed Rams won but Stafford is clutch.
HAHA. Given your history with Brady, my “hate” is like 50 Shades of Gray. I never said anything bad about Mahomes, actually. It WAS very good. Tyreek Hill is the thig. And when Mahomes does it 6 more times, he’ll absolutely get my love. He’s a great player. I don’t like his team and the premature anointing he gets.
Wait, so a QB now has to equal what Brady and his teams have done to get your love? Really? That seems like an unfair standard. I know you dislike the Chiefs, but you are smarter than this. :)
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I’d just like to point out Hill should have been flagged for taunting on his touchdown.
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I’ve been watching football for 46 years and I promise you I do not remember a single weekend of football ever in my life that was as white knuckle as this one was.
I haven't been watching football for quiet as long but this weekend's football games were easily the most exciting games I've ever watched.
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That was an incredible weekend of football, topped off by the greatest NFL game I've ever seen.
Stadler, you are such an old man.
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Yeah, that's going to be a hard weekend to top. I can only count a handful of games I wasn't emotionally invested in that could've topped yesterday's between the Chefs and Bills.
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I think the championship games might still be entertaining, I just hope it's not a blowout.
The Bucs loss really stings. If they'd just lost by a wide margin, I think I'd be ok, but that was hard to see unfold with those last 30+ sec. I finally get to feel what so many other teams have felt lol.
But football wise what a weekend.
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Yeah - it was a hell of a weekend for football! :metal
So Kev is $100.00 poorer today?
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Technically, yeah, but I won like 300 or 400 bucks on the Bucs winning it last year, so when I cashed that out, I took 100 of it and put it on them to win it again this season, so I am still coming out ahead. :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Technically, yeah, but I won like 300 or 400 bucks on the Bucs winning it last year, so when I cashed that out, I took 100 of it and put it on them to win it again this season, so I am still coming out ahead. :biggrin: :biggrin:
Good job of rationalizing! :metal
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As much as I love to hate on Tom Brady (while acknowledging his GOAT status, of course), we're in for far less entertainment without him. Nothing more thrilling than seeing him mount a comeback in the 4th Quarter even if you're rooting for the defense to stop him.
Stafford needs to make good on his soul-stealer commit, and take the Rams all the way home to LA.
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Apparently the Bills were one of the teams that voted against the Chiefs' proposition of changing the overtime rules after they lost to a coin toss in the 2019 AFCG.
Oops
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Can I ask… why didn’t the Bills kick a fieldable ball with 13 seconds left? That would’ve burned some seconds off the clock no?
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Technically, yeah, but I won like 300 or 400 bucks on the Bucs winning it last year, so when I cashed that out, I took 100 of it and put it on them to win it again this season, so I am still coming out ahead. :biggrin: :biggrin:
Good job of rationalizing! :metal
That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. :)
Can I ask… why didn’t the Bills kick a fieldable ball with 13 seconds left? That would’ve burned some seconds off the clock no?
Exactly. Kick a pop up that will land inside the 20 and make the Chiefs burn a few seconds on a run back. Or I read that you can fair catch a kickoff in that scenario, but at least they are starting inside their own 20 rather than at the 25. Unreal.
I did laugh at a tweet that pointed out that it took Mahomes less time to drive his team 45 yards to get them in FG range than it did for Dak to run a QB draw. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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His fantastic OT catch not withstanding, but Travis Kelce makes one uncontested catch after another. Why would any team let him off the line. He’s literally wide open on every play. How does that happen?
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Three good games so far.
Oh what a surprise! Jim Nantz calling a Patrick Mahomes game! He’s like his personal announcer! And Romo calling him Superman. Please. I asked the bar I’m at to turn down the sound but they wouldn’t. Ah well.
Man why are you doubling down on the hate?? Mahomes just did something no other QB in history could have done. 177 yards AFTER the 2 minute warning.
KC: 552 yards, 30 first downs, 0 turnovers against the #1 defense. Might be the greatest performance I’ve seen yet.
The horseshoe gave Brady FOUR fumbles. I’m amazed Rams won but Stafford is clutch.
HAHA. Given your history with Brady, my “hate” is like 50 Shades of Gray. I never said anything bad about Mahomes, actually. It WAS very good. Tyreek Hill is the thig. And when Mahomes does it 6 more times, he’ll absolutely get my love. He’s a great player. I don’t like his team and the premature anointing he gets.
Wait, so a QB now has to equal what Brady and his teams have done to get your love? Really? That seems like an unfair standard. I know you dislike the Chiefs, but you are smarter than this. :)
No, not literally. Bear with me, I was a couple (more than a couple) Blue Moons in when I wrote that and lamenting the loss (I like the Bills). My point was, and is, listening to Nantz and Romo, you'd think no one has played QB before in the NFL. He threw one pass early on three-quarter sidearm, and you could hear Nantz' erection banging the microphone, like no one ever did that before, as he cited "Dan Quisenberry!", a baseball player. Fun fact: Ken Stabler and Philip Rivers both had long successful careers doing just that, and there are others.
He's a great player. NO QUESTION. He's also throwing to Travis Kelce, Tyreek Hill, and a fleet of running backs that are all capable receivers. I've said before and I'll say it again: he need not "equal Brady" to be one of the greats, but honestly, he's Kurt Warner right now and potentially Aaron Rodgers, unless and until he can, like Brady, Brees, Manning, Roethlisberger, Montana and a host of other QBs before him, go through one iteration of his team and still be highly successful.
All I'm saying is pump the brakes on Canton.
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Mahomes is going to Canton Stadler.
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Mahomes is going to Canton Stadler.
I think the odds are good; but if he ended his career tomorrow, the debate WOULD be the same as Kurt Warner.
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BTW - I would love to see a Rams vs. Bengals SB.
I'll be the first to give Stafford a standing ovation if he gets a ring. I have also become a fan of Joe Burrow. He is one cool cucumber! :metal
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I'm kinda hoping for a Bengals - Rams SB as well but my guess is that the Chiefs are going to their 3rd SB in a row.
Announcer's erections notwithstanding, that Chiefs team is really good and hard to stop on offense.
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Heatbreaking loss for the Bills and their fans. :( Was really hoping they would go all the way.
BTW - I would love to see a Rams vs. Bengals SB.
Same here. Chiefs and 9ers can just go away.
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Here is a fun stat. No, let's call it a fun fact.
Since 2014, eight playoff games have gone to overtime.
In six of the eight, the team that won the coin toss scored a touchdown on their first OT drive and won the game.
That is a problem.
I went back through the 01/02 season (leading up to SB36, so this includes the Pats win over Oakland in the snow). 22 OT games in that span, 11 of which were post-rule change and 11 before it. Seven of the eleven post-rule change games were won on the opening drive of OT by the team that won the coin toss. Of the other four, one was a double-OT game.
However, the numbers were flipped for the pre-rule change games. Only four of the eleven games were won on the opening drive of OT by the team that won the coin toss, and one game was won when the defense scored on a fumble recovery on the opening drive.
As I sit here typing this, I can't recall what the impetus was for changing the rule. If you'd asked me yesterday, I would have said it was because of a controversial playoff game in the season before the rule change, but the new rule went into effect in the 2011 regular season, and there were no OT games the prior season. However, one could argue that the rule change created a (bigger) problem with this.
All that being said, I still favor each team getting an ACTUAL, not just possible, possession in OT.
No, not literally. Bear with me, I was a couple (more than a couple) Blue Moons in when I wrote that and lamenting the loss (I like the Bills). My point was, and is, listening to Nantz and Romo, you'd think no one has played QB before in the NFL. He threw one pass early on three-quarter sidearm, and you could hear Nantz' erection banging the microphone, like no one ever did that before, as he cited "Dan Quisenberry!", a baseball player. Fun fact: Ken Stabler and Philip Rivers both had long successful careers doing just that, and there are others.
Gotta say that Nantz and Romo must be amazing announcers to have done two separate, but simultaneous broadcasts, because the one I heard sounded much different, and I heard at least as much ball washing for Josh Allen as for Mahomes.
BTW - I would love to see a Rams vs. Bengals SB.
That's what I'll be pulling for, but I'm just hoping that the remaining three games are two-thirds as good as the four over this past weekend.
Can I ask… why didn’t the Bills kick a fieldable ball with 13 seconds left? That would’ve burned some seconds off the clock no?
His fantastic OT catch not withstanding, but Travis Kelce makes one uncontested catch after another. Why would any team let him off the line. He’s literally wide open on every play. How does that happen?
Do you have my living room bugged and are using things I asked out loud to create your posts??! :lol
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Shouldn't both QB's have their balls washed since how amazing both played? I've never said holy shit so much in one quarter before.
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Shouldn't both QB's have their balls washed since how amazing both played? I've never said holy shit so much in one quarter before.
Hell...not even a full quarter. It was like 5 minutes of game time.
And yeah, absolutely, both of them did some amazing stuff. I'm not sure where I heard it, but someone yesterday said that neither QB deserved to lose that game, but neither defense deserved to win.
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I had a 4:45am wake up call today and every time I thought I could go to bed, I screamed out load and sat my ass back down in my recliner. :lol
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One thing to keep in mind about that epic shootout is that Josh Allen was doing his thing against a banged up secondary while Mahomes was up against the best defense in football. I suppose that having Hill and Kelce more than even things out, but it certainly should be noted.
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Bills were missing their all pro Tre'Davious White on D. He is their best player on defense.
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Mahomes is going to Canton Stadler.
I think the odds are good; but if he ended his career tomorrow, the debate WOULD be the same as Kurt Warner.
I agree with you.
Kurt Warner is in Canton.
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Three good games so far.
Oh what a surprise! Jim Nantz calling a Patrick Mahomes game! He’s like his personal announcer! And Romo calling him Superman. Please. I asked the bar I’m at to turn down the sound but they wouldn’t. Ah well.
Man why are you doubling down on the hate?? Mahomes just did something no other QB in history could have done. 177 yards AFTER the 2 minute warning.
KC: 552 yards, 30 first downs, 0 turnovers against the #1 defense. Might be the greatest performance I’ve seen yet.
The horseshoe gave Brady FOUR fumbles. I’m amazed Rams won but Stafford is clutch.
HAHA. Given your history with Brady, my “hate” is like 50 Shades of Gray. I never said anything bad about Mahomes, actually. It WAS very good. Tyreek Hill is the thig. And when Mahomes does it 6 more times, he’ll absolutely get my love. He’s a great player. I don’t like his team and the premature anointing he gets.
Wait, so a QB now has to equal what Brady and his teams have done to get your love? Really? That seems like an unfair standard. I know you dislike the Chiefs, but you are smarter than this. :)
No, not literally. Bear with me, I was a couple (more than a couple) Blue Moons in when I wrote that and lamenting the loss (I like the Bills). My point was, and is, listening to Nantz and Romo, you'd think no one has played QB before in the NFL. He threw one pass early on three-quarter sidearm, and you could hear Nantz' erection banging the microphone, like no one ever did that before, as he cited "Dan Quisenberry!", a baseball player. Fun fact: Ken Stabler and Philip Rivers both had long successful careers doing just that, and there are others.
He's a great player. NO QUESTION. He's also throwing to Travis Kelce, Tyreek Hill, and a fleet of running backs that are all capable receivers. I've said before and I'll say it again: he need not "equal Brady" to be one of the greats, but honestly, he's Kurt Warner right now and potentially Aaron Rodgers, unless and until he can, like Brady, Brees, Manning, Roethlisberger, Montana and a host of other QBs before him, go through one iteration of his team and still be highly successful.
All I'm saying is pump the brakes on Canton.
Well, we've debated this before, and I think we are in more agreement than disagreement (I also wish people would stop the early anointing of Mahomes), but a few notes:
-A fleet of RBs who can catch the ball? Sure, but none of those KC RBs are difference makers. They are all JAG.
-I am fine with the announcers gushing over Mahomes last night, and Allen too for that matter. Like Joe said, if every a game screamed for gushing over QB play, that was the one. Both played as well as the position can possibly be played. It was a shame one of them had to lose.
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His fantastic OT catch not withstanding, but Travis Kelce makes one uncontested catch after another. Why would any team let him off the line. He’s literally wide open on every play. How does that happen?
I think that is the Andy Reid factor. He is an offensive wizard and great at designing plays to get their best players open.
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His fantastic OT catch not withstanding, but Travis Kelce makes one uncontested catch after another. Why would any team let him off the line. He’s literally wide open on every play. How does that happen?
I think that is the Andy Reid factor. He is an offensive wizard and great at designing plays to get their best players open.
I understand Hill outrunning a defender to the ball, but Kelce. I mean, he just releases from the line and runs 8-10 yards straight ahead. EVERY PLAY. And he's WIDE OPEN.
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I went back through the 01/02 season (leading up to SB36, so this includes the Pats win over Oakland in the snow). 22 OT games in that span, 11 of which were post-rule change and 11 before it. Seven of the eleven post-rule change games were won on the opening drive of OT by the team that won the coin toss. Of the other four, one was a double-OT game.
However, the numbers were flipped for the pre-rule change games. Only four of the eleven games were won on the opening drive of OT by the team that won the coin toss, and one game was won when the defense scored on a fumble recovery on the opening drive.
As I sit here typing this, I can't recall what the impetus was for changing the rule. If you'd asked me yesterday, I would have said it was because of a controversial playoff game in the season before the rule change, but the new rule went into effect in the 2011 regular season, and there were no OT games the prior season. However, one could argue that the rule change created a (bigger) problem with this.
All that being said, I still favor each team getting an ACTUAL, not just possible, possession in OT.
I think it was the Vikings/Saints NFCCG following the 2009 season (when the Saints won it with a FG on the first possession in OT).
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His fantastic OT catch not withstanding, but Travis Kelce makes one uncontested catch after another. Why would any team let him off the line. He’s literally wide open on every play. How does that happen?
I think that is the Andy Reid factor. He is an offensive wizard and great at designing plays to get their best players open.
From what I've read today, Kelce came to Mahomes and told him, I'm not running the same route, there's an opening the way they (the Bills) set up. I'm going to hit that open spot. Look for me.
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That was indeed some amazing football over the weekend. All of my predictions ended being wrong, except for the Chiefs winning. I was rooting for the Bills though.
I'm hoping for the Bengals and 49ers in the SB. I don't see the Bengals beating the Chiefs but it would be a nice surprise.
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That was indeed some amazing football over the weekend. All of my predictions ended being wrong, except for the Chiefs winning. I was rooting for the Bills though.
I'm hoping for the Bengals and 49ers in the SB. I don't see the Bengals beating the Chiefs but it would be a nice surprise.
Bengals did beat them January 2nd this year.
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I went back through the 01/02 season (leading up to SB36, so this includes the Pats win over Oakland in the snow). 22 OT games in that span, 11 of which were post-rule change and 11 before it. Seven of the eleven post-rule change games were won on the opening drive of OT by the team that won the coin toss. Of the other four, one was a double-OT game.
However, the numbers were flipped for the pre-rule change games. Only four of the eleven games were won on the opening drive of OT by the team that won the coin toss, and one game was won when the defense scored on a fumble recovery on the opening drive.
As I sit here typing this, I can't recall what the impetus was for changing the rule. If you'd asked me yesterday, I would have said it was because of a controversial playoff game in the season before the rule change, but the new rule went into effect in the 2011 regular season, and there were no OT games the prior season. However, one could argue that the rule change created a (bigger) problem with this.
All that being said, I still favor each team getting an ACTUAL, not just possible, possession in OT.
I think it was the Vikings/Saints NFCCG following the 2009 season (when the Saints won it with a FG on the first possession in OT).
Sounds right...I guess it just happened during the next offseason.
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That was indeed some amazing football over the weekend. All of my predictions ended being wrong, except for the Chiefs winning. I was rooting for the Bills though.
I'm hoping for the Bengals and 49ers in the SB. I don't see the Bengals beating the Chiefs but it would be a nice surprise.
Bengals did beat them January 2nd this year.
Yep, and Mahomes mentioned that himself in one of his postgame interviews.
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I went back through the 01/02 season (leading up to SB36, so this includes the Pats win over Oakland in the snow). 22 OT games in that span, 11 of which were post-rule change and 11 before it. Seven of the eleven post-rule change games were won on the opening drive of OT by the team that won the coin toss. Of the other four, one was a double-OT game.
However, the numbers were flipped for the pre-rule change games. Only four of the eleven games were won on the opening drive of OT by the team that won the coin toss, and one game was won when the defense scored on a fumble recovery on the opening drive.
As I sit here typing this, I can't recall what the impetus was for changing the rule. If you'd asked me yesterday, I would have said it was because of a controversial playoff game in the season before the rule change, but the new rule went into effect in the 2011 regular season, and there were no OT games the prior season. However, one could argue that the rule change created a (bigger) problem with this.
All that being said, I still favor each team getting an ACTUAL, not just possible, possession in OT.
I think it was the Vikings/Saints NFCCG following the 2009 season (when the Saints won it with a FG on the first possession in OT).
Funny enough, I read today that the Chiefs tried to end this rule a few years ago, with the Bills being one of the teams that voted against them:
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/chiefs-overtime-rule-change-proposal-travis-kelce-patriots/19h5gr3g9u4bw1ehujy7shgnxc
:facepalm:
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I don't care what the stats say. I know what my eyes saw.
Whoever won the coin toss was winning that game tonight. And it was already known that the winner of that game would then be the Vegas favorite to win it all, so it is very possible that the Super Bowl champion was decided by a coin flip. That is a problem.
Agreed, and with the incredible amount of offense in the final 5 minutes, both defenses were gassed. I think the rule should change and allow both teams to possess the ball regardless of a TD or FG so the other team at least has a chance to match the previous score with their offense. If not, then the game over.
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His fantastic OT catch not withstanding, but Travis Kelce makes one uncontested catch after another. Why would any team let him off the line. He’s literally wide open on every play. How does that happen?
I think that is the Andy Reid factor. He is an offensive wizard and great at designing plays to get their best players open.
From what I've read today, Kelce came to Mahomes and told him, I'm not running the same route, there's an opening the way they (the Bills) set up. I'm going to hit that open spot. Look for me.
I always like stuff like that. Let the players adjust if they can see on the fly what the defense is doing. Coaches nowadays are more willing to allow that kind of stuff as well.
I remember the story about Favre back in the later 90s when he saw something at the line and audibled and threw a TD, and Mike Holmgren, his head coach at the time, was mad as hell because he didn't run the exact play he had called.
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I don't care what the stats say. I know what my eyes saw.
Whoever won the coin toss was winning that game tonight. And it was already known that the winner of that game would then be the Vegas favorite to win it all, so it is very possible that the Super Bowl champion was decided by a coin flip. That is a problem.
Agreed, and with the incredible amount of offense in the final 5 minutes, both defenses were gassed. I think the rule should change and allow both teams to possess the ball regardless of a TD or FG so the other team at least has a chance to match the previous score with their offense. If not, then the game over.
And if the offenses keep scoring back and forth? Then what?
At a certain point, two teams might be so evenly matched that a coin toss might be the only thing that COULD decide it.
The reasoning on changing the rules is a pure emotionally based knee jerk reaction. Even the change they already made did not end up changing the game much.
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I don't care what the stats say. I know what my eyes saw.
Whoever won the coin toss was winning that game tonight. And it was already known that the winner of that game would then be the Vegas favorite to win it all, so it is very possible that the Super Bowl champion was decided by a coin flip. That is a problem.
Agreed, and with the incredible amount of offense in the final 5 minutes, both defenses were gassed. I think the rule should change and allow both teams to possess the ball regardless of a TD or FG so the other team at least has a chance to match the previous score with their offense. If not, then the game over.
And if the offenses keep scoring back and forth? Then what?
At a certain point, two teams might be so evenly matched that a coin toss might be the only thing that COULD decide it.
The reasoning on changing the rules is a pure emotionally based knee jerk reaction. Even the change they already made did not end up changing the game much.
Your scenario is false. Both teams get one chance to score, then all bets are off. This would change the coin flip as well, as the teams would most likely want to kick if they won it.
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Plus, you might have teams going for 2 if they get touchdowns in OT.
Say for example that scenario was in play last night. Think of the strategy.
Chiefs score a TD and then what? Kick the XP or go for 2? If you go for 2 and get it, you force the Bills to have to score a TD and get the 2, and if you do not get it, the Bills can then win it with a TD and XP.
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I don't care what the stats say. I know what my eyes saw.
Whoever won the coin toss was winning that game tonight. And it was already known that the winner of that game would then be the Vegas favorite to win it all, so it is very possible that the Super Bowl champion was decided by a coin flip. That is a problem.
Agreed, and with the incredible amount of offense in the final 5 minutes, both defenses were gassed. I think the rule should change and allow both teams to possess the ball regardless of a TD or FG so the other team at least has a chance to match the previous score with their offense. If not, then the game over.
And if the offenses keep scoring back and forth? Then what?
At a certain point, two teams might be so evenly matched that a coin toss might be the only thing that COULD decide it.
The reasoning on changing the rules is a pure emotionally based knee jerk reaction. Even the change they already made did not end up changing the game much.
Your scenario is false. Both teams get one chance to score, then all bets are off. This would change the coin flip as well, as the teams would most likely want to kick if they won it.
Well, let's take last night's game and run with that hypothetical scenario. So after the Chiefs win the coin toss, move down the field, and score a touchdown, let's say the Bills get the ball. What if they also then move down the field and score a touchdown? Then we're on to sudden death, right? The Chiefs get the ball next. Why? Because it's an odd-numbered drive, and they won the coin toss. So if they come down field and score any kind of points, they win. Why? "Because they won the coin toss. It's not fair because Buffalo didn't get a chance to do the same." It really doesn't fix anything. It's just kicking the can down the road for 2 more drives.
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I heard this today and I liked the idea. The coin flip in the beginning of the game is the only coin flip. Whoever wins would get the ball 1st in overtime and the beginning stays the same.
At least then a team can make a decision in the 4th quarter to go for 2 or a touchdown knowing the other team gets the ball 1st in ot.
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I heard this today and I liked the idea. The coin flip in the beginning of the game is the only coin flip. Whoever wins would get the ball 1st in overtime and the beginning stays the same.
At least then a team can make a decision in the 4th quarter to go for 2 or a touchdown knowing the other team gets the ball 1st in ot.
I like that idea. It makes the coin toss at the start of the game that much more important. Many like to defer now, but if you defer knowing that you wouldn't get the ball first in OT, it will make coaches rethink it.
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I heard this today and I liked the idea. The coin flip in the beginning of the game is the only coin flip. Whoever wins would get the ball 1st in overtime and the beginning stays the same.
At least then a team can make a decision in the 4th quarter to go for 2 or a touchdown knowing the other team gets the ball 1st in ot.
I like that idea. It makes the coin toss at the start of the game that much more important. Many like to defer now, but if you defer knowing that you wouldn't get the ball first in OT, it will make coaches rethink it.
It also could make a team play much differently down late in the final two minutes. Let’s say you’re down by three in the final few minutes of the fourth quarter, but you started the game on defense. Instead of going for the tie, you’ll try that much harder to get into the endzone.
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I don't care what the stats say. I know what my eyes saw.
Whoever won the coin toss was winning that game tonight. And it was already known that the winner of that game would then be the Vegas favorite to win it all, so it is very possible that the Super Bowl champion was decided by a coin flip. That is a problem.
Agreed, and with the incredible amount of offense in the final 5 minutes, both defenses were gassed. I think the rule should change and allow both teams to possess the ball regardless of a TD or FG so the other team at least has a chance to match the previous score with their offense. If not, then the game over.
And if the offenses keep scoring back and forth? Then what?
At a certain point, two teams might be so evenly matched that a coin toss might be the only thing that COULD decide it.
The reasoning on changing the rules is a pure emotionally based knee jerk reaction. Even the change they already made did not end up changing the game much.
Your scenario is false. Both teams get one chance to score, then all bets are off. This would change the coin flip as well, as the teams would most likely want to kick if they won it.
Well, let's take last night's game and run with that hypothetical scenario. So after the Chiefs win the coin toss, move down the field, and score a touchdown, let's say the Bills get the ball. What if they also then move down the field and score a touchdown? Then we're on to sudden death, right? The Chiefs get the ball next. Why? Because it's an odd-numbered drive, and they won the coin toss. So if they come down field and score any kind of points, they win. Why? "Because they won the coin toss. It's not fair because Buffalo didn't get a chance to do the same." It really doesn't fix anything. It's just kicking the can down the road for 2 more drives.
Or Buffalo scores and goes for two and the win?
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His fantastic OT catch not withstanding, but Travis Kelce makes one uncontested catch after another. Why would any team let him off the line. He’s literally wide open on every play. How does that happen?
I think that is the Andy Reid factor. He is an offensive wizard and great at designing plays to get their best players open.
From what I've read today, Kelce came to Mahomes and told him, I'm not running the same route, there's an opening the way they (the Bills) set up. I'm going to hit that open spot. Look for me.
I always like stuff like that. Let the players adjust if they can see on the fly what the defense is doing. Coaches nowadays are more willing to allow that kind of stuff as well.
I remember the story about Favre back in the later 90s when he saw something at the line and audibled and threw a TD, and Mike Holmgren, his head coach at the time, was mad as hell because he didn't run the exact play he had called.
Depends on the players and the coordinators. One of the secrets to beating Brady is once you find something that puzzles him, you can do it a second time, maybe a third time, never, ever try it a fourth. He's a fast learner and an even faster adapter. He, Gronk, and Edelman could figure out what the coverage was doing to confuse them, and they'd draw up plays to punish them for it. Some of their best wins have come from that, including the Chiefs in the Conference championship game, and both the Rams and Falcons in the Super Bowls. If you're Josh McDaniels what are you going to do, tell Brady/Gronk/Edleman they're wrong and to run the play you called? :lol
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I don't care what the stats say. I know what my eyes saw.
Whoever won the coin toss was winning that game tonight. And it was already known that the winner of that game would then be the Vegas favorite to win it all, so it is very possible that the Super Bowl champion was decided by a coin flip. That is a problem.
Agreed, and with the incredible amount of offense in the final 5 minutes, both defenses were gassed. I think the rule should change and allow both teams to possess the ball regardless of a TD or FG so the other team at least has a chance to match the previous score with their offense. If not, then the game over.
And if the offenses keep scoring back and forth? Then what?
At a certain point, two teams might be so evenly matched that a coin toss might be the only thing that COULD decide it.
The reasoning on changing the rules is a pure emotionally based knee jerk reaction. Even the change they already made did not end up changing the game much.
Your scenario is false. Both teams get one chance to score, then all bets are off. This would change the coin flip as well, as the teams would most likely want to kick if they won it.
Well, let's take last night's game and run with that hypothetical scenario. So after the Chiefs win the coin toss, move down the field, and score a touchdown, let's say the Bills get the ball. What if they also then move down the field and score a touchdown? Then we're on to sudden death, right? The Chiefs get the ball next. Why? Because it's an odd-numbered drive, and they won the coin toss. So if they come down field and score any kind of points, they win. Why? "Because they won the coin toss. It's not fair because Buffalo didn't get a chance to do the same." It really doesn't fix anything. It's just kicking the can down the road for 2 more drives.
Or Buffalo scores and goes for two and the win?
Which they could have done on any of the touchdowns they scored during the first 60 minutes they played, but chose not to.
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The problem with the "first score wins" concept of OT in the NFL (which still is the case in the event of a touchdown) is that it is inherently not fair. Football is not like that. Football is made up of 3 phases: offense, defense, and special teams. If the entire game is played to a tie, but then whomever wins the coin toss only has to play offense and never defense, then that's not real football, because the entire team didn't have to play overtime. KC never stopped Josh Allen. Not only did the Bills not GET to play offense in OT, the Chiefs didn't HAVE to play defense in OT. Football isn't one or the other, it's both.
The problem with a college style of "can you match this", which is at least more fair than "who scores first", is that the OT could last FOREVER. That's not good for anyone.
The logical choice should be what other team sports do: another period of play. Baseball goes to extra innings (which are by nature untimed). Basketball, on all levels, goes to a 5-minute OT period. Hockey does this too, if memory serves.
I'm not saying that NFL necessarily needs to play a 5th quarter, but I'm not against it, either. 5 minutes seems to be too short. I think a 10-minute OT period makes sense. Have the coin toss at the beginning of OT, and it's treated the same as the coin toss at the beginning of the game. We just play for 10 more minutes. If we're still tied in a regular season game, it goes down as a tie, but in a playoff game, we have ANOTHER period. If we're STILL tied, the kickers start alternating kicks till one misses.
Fair and exciting. Just my 2 cents.
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Mahomes is going to Canton Stadler.
I think the odds are good; but if he ended his career tomorrow, the debate WOULD be the same as Kurt Warner.
I agree with you.
Kurt Warner is in Canton.
Fair enough, and rightfully so. Put together your top five QBs of ALL TIME. Is he on that list? He's not on mine (and he IS one of my FAVORITE players of all time; certainly he's in my top five favorite players of all time).
Can we please stop making my argument something it's not? I'm not suggesting Mahomes sucks, or that he's not one of the best QB's in the league right now, or that he's at some point, IF he continues as he does, going to be one of the all time greats. ONE OF.
The argument is simply about the annointing. He's doing great things, but he's not redefining the position, he's not head and shoulders above every other QB in the league (that last game proved that conclusively) and he's not the GOAT. I'm not arguing against Mahomes; I'm arguing against this incessant need we seem to have to hyperbolize everything. It's not sufficient that Mahomes is simply a great player; no, he's got to be "SUPERMAN!" Goddammit. Just let the guy play, FFS.
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His fantastic OT catch not withstanding, but Travis Kelce makes one uncontested catch after another. Why would any team let him off the line. He’s literally wide open on every play. How does that happen?
I think that is the Andy Reid factor. He is an offensive wizard and great at designing plays to get their best players open.
From what I've read today, Kelce came to Mahomes and told him, I'm not running the same route, there's an opening the way they (the Bills) set up. I'm going to hit that open spot. Look for me.
I always like stuff like that. Let the players adjust if they can see on the fly what the defense is doing. Coaches nowadays are more willing to allow that kind of stuff as well.
I remember the story about Favre back in the later 90s when he saw something at the line and audibled and threw a TD, and Mike Holmgren, his head coach at the time, was mad as hell because he didn't run the exact play he had called.
I've told this before; I was at a bar having dinner right after my divorce and I met a guy that (supposedly) had a cup of coffee with the Giants while Belichick was there. According to him, he was decent but out of his league, knew his odds were slim, and so tried to make the most of it. One play, he saw something and ran way out of position and made the tackle. He was all happy, but Belichick was "who the fuck are you? What was your job?" According to him, he said something like "I read the play and figured I'd roam" and Belichick yelled at him "You're not Lawrence fucking Taylor, do YOUR job!" It might be all made up but it sounds good.
The point is, there's a fine line between sandlotting things and staying in the system.
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The only way to solve the coin toss problem in nfl is to change the sport entirely from one with set plays to one like most other football codes where possession of the ball is constantly in dispute and any team can claim it on the go at any given moment.
And that's never gonna happen so, like the electoral college we just gotta learn to live with it.
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The problem with the "first score wins" concept of OT in the NFL (which still is the case in the event of a touchdown) is that it is inherently not fair. Football is not like that. Football is made up of 3 phases: offense, defense, and special teams. If the entire game is played to a tie, but then whomever wins the coin toss only has to play offense and never defense, then that's not real football, because the entire team didn't have to play overtime. KC never stopped Josh Allen. Not only did the Bills not GET to play offense in OT, the Chiefs didn't HAVE to play defense in OT. Football isn't one or the other, it's both.
The problem with a college style of "can you match this", which is at least more fair than "who scores first", is that the OT could last FOREVER. That's not good for anyone.
The logical choice should be what other team sports do: another period of play. Baseball goes to extra innings (which are by nature untimed). Basketball, on all levels, goes to a 5-minute OT period. Hockey does this too, if memory serves.
I'm not saying that NFL necessarily needs to play a 5th quarter, but I'm not against it, either. 5 minutes seems to be too short. I think a 10-minute OT period makes sense. Have the coin toss at the beginning of OT, and it's treated the same as the coin toss at the beginning of the game. We just play for 10 more minutes. If we're still tied in a regular season game, it goes down as a tie, but in a playoff game, we have ANOTHER period. If we're STILL tied, the kickers start alternating kicks till one misses.
Fair and exciting. Just my 2 cents.
I kind of like this.
I know it's always exciting for the team that wins, but I'm generally not a fan of the sudden death thing. Even in baseball, you play the inning; you can still have a walk off event, so there's that, but like Hef said, in baseball, all phases of the game are in play in overtime. The team has to pitch, hit, and play defense in order to get a win. It's a little easier in hockey, since so much of the game is in transition; even if you win the faceoff, there's no guarantee you get ANY chances at the net. Football isn't hockey. It's more like baseball in that each play is discrete and starts very structured as "offense" or "defense". All three phases ought to be in play.
EDIT: Quasi-ninja'd by RoeDent, who pointed out the concept of changing possession that is a fundamental part of hockey and soccer (and less so, basketball).
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I don't care what the stats say. I know what my eyes saw.
Whoever won the coin toss was winning that game tonight. And it was already known that the winner of that game would then be the Vegas favorite to win it all, so it is very possible that the Super Bowl champion was decided by a coin flip. That is a problem.
Agreed, and with the incredible amount of offense in the final 5 minutes, both defenses were gassed. I think the rule should change and allow both teams to possess the ball regardless of a TD or FG so the other team at least has a chance to match the previous score with their offense. If not, then the game over.
And if the offenses keep scoring back and forth? Then what?
At a certain point, two teams might be so evenly matched that a coin toss might be the only thing that COULD decide it.
The reasoning on changing the rules is a pure emotionally based knee jerk reaction. Even the change they already made did not end up changing the game much.
Your scenario is false. Both teams get one chance to score, then all bets are off. This would change the coin flip as well, as the teams would most likely want to kick if they won it.
Well, let's take last night's game and run with that hypothetical scenario. So after the Chiefs win the coin toss, move down the field, and score a touchdown, let's say the Bills get the ball. What if they also then move down the field and score a touchdown? Then we're on to sudden death, right? The Chiefs get the ball next. Why? Because it's an odd-numbered drive, and they won the coin toss. So if they come down field and score any kind of points, they win. Why? "Because they won the coin toss. It's not fair because Buffalo didn't get a chance to do the same." It really doesn't fix anything. It's just kicking the can down the road for 2 more drives.
Or Buffalo scores and goes for two and the win?
Which they could have done on any of the touchdowns they scored during the first 60 minutes they played, but chose not to.
They did go for two to make it a three point game. Besides, you’re pretending the score was tied after each score which it wasn’t.
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I don't care what the stats say. I know what my eyes saw.
Whoever won the coin toss was winning that game tonight. And it was already known that the winner of that game would then be the Vegas favorite to win it all, so it is very possible that the Super Bowl champion was decided by a coin flip. That is a problem.
Agreed, and with the incredible amount of offense in the final 5 minutes, both defenses were gassed. I think the rule should change and allow both teams to possess the ball regardless of a TD or FG so the other team at least has a chance to match the previous score with their offense. If not, then the game over.
And if the offenses keep scoring back and forth? Then what?
At a certain point, two teams might be so evenly matched that a coin toss might be the only thing that COULD decide it.
The reasoning on changing the rules is a pure emotionally based knee jerk reaction. Even the change they already made did not end up changing the game much.
Your scenario is false. Both teams get one chance to score, then all bets are off. This would change the coin flip as well, as the teams would most likely want to kick if they won it.
Well, let's take last night's game and run with that hypothetical scenario. So after the Chiefs win the coin toss, move down the field, and score a touchdown, let's say the Bills get the ball. What if they also then move down the field and score a touchdown? Then we're on to sudden death, right? The Chiefs get the ball next. Why? Because it's an odd-numbered drive, and they won the coin toss. So if they come down field and score any kind of points, they win. Why? "Because they won the coin toss. It's not fair because Buffalo didn't get a chance to do the same." It really doesn't fix anything. It's just kicking the can down the road for 2 more drives.
It gives both teams equal opportunity to score in OT. That's the fix. The coin toss is irrelevant outside of deciding who gets the ball first in order to score first. It's not fair if both teams don't get the opportunity to play offense as well as defense in OT. Let the chips fall where they may after that point.
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I don't care what the stats say. I know what my eyes saw.
Whoever won the coin toss was winning that game tonight. And it was already known that the winner of that game would then be the Vegas favorite to win it all, so it is very possible that the Super Bowl champion was decided by a coin flip. That is a problem.
Agreed, and with the incredible amount of offense in the final 5 minutes, both defenses were gassed. I think the rule should change and allow both teams to possess the ball regardless of a TD or FG so the other team at least has a chance to match the previous score with their offense. If not, then the game over.
And if the offenses keep scoring back and forth? Then what?
At a certain point, two teams might be so evenly matched that a coin toss might be the only thing that COULD decide it.
The reasoning on changing the rules is a pure emotionally based knee jerk reaction. Even the change they already made did not end up changing the game much.
Your scenario is false. Both teams get one chance to score, then all bets are off. This would change the coin flip as well, as the teams would most likely want to kick if they won it.
Well, let's take last night's game and run with that hypothetical scenario. So after the Chiefs win the coin toss, move down the field, and score a touchdown, let's say the Bills get the ball. What if they also then move down the field and score a touchdown? Then we're on to sudden death, right? The Chiefs get the ball next. Why? Because it's an odd-numbered drive, and they won the coin toss. So if they come down field and score any kind of points, they win. Why? "Because they won the coin toss. It's not fair because Buffalo didn't get a chance to do the same." It really doesn't fix anything. It's just kicking the can down the road for 2 more drives.
Or Buffalo scores and goes for two and the win?
Which they could have done on any of the touchdowns they scored during the first 60 minutes they played, but chose not to.
They did go for two to make it a three point game. Besides, you’re pretending the score was tied after each score which it wasn’t.
I'm not pretending anything. I'm just saying that the system as it is does not bother me one bit because I don't feel that the "fairness" argument applies even one little bit. To me, the argument that "it isn't fair of team X does not get a chance to play offense" doesn't apply, because they got several chances to play offense during the first 60 minutes of the game. They had every chance for the game not to end in a tie. But it did, so there you go.
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I don't care what the stats say. I know what my eyes saw.
Whoever won the coin toss was winning that game tonight. And it was already known that the winner of that game would then be the Vegas favorite to win it all, so it is very possible that the Super Bowl champion was decided by a coin flip. That is a problem.
Agreed, and with the incredible amount of offense in the final 5 minutes, both defenses were gassed. I think the rule should change and allow both teams to possess the ball regardless of a TD or FG so the other team at least has a chance to match the previous score with their offense. If not, then the game over.
And if the offenses keep scoring back and forth? Then what?
At a certain point, two teams might be so evenly matched that a coin toss might be the only thing that COULD decide it.
The reasoning on changing the rules is a pure emotionally based knee jerk reaction. Even the change they already made did not end up changing the game much.
Your scenario is false. Both teams get one chance to score, then all bets are off. This would change the coin flip as well, as the teams would most likely want to kick if they won it.
Well, let's take last night's game and run with that hypothetical scenario. So after the Chiefs win the coin toss, move down the field, and score a touchdown, let's say the Bills get the ball. What if they also then move down the field and score a touchdown? Then we're on to sudden death, right? The Chiefs get the ball next. Why? Because it's an odd-numbered drive, and they won the coin toss. So if they come down field and score any kind of points, they win. Why? "Because they won the coin toss. It's not fair because Buffalo didn't get a chance to do the same." It really doesn't fix anything. It's just kicking the can down the road for 2 more drives.
Or Buffalo scores and goes for two and the win?
Which they could have done on any of the touchdowns they scored during the first 60 minutes they played, but chose not to.
They did go for two to make it a three point game. Besides, you’re pretending the score was tied after each score which it wasn’t.
I'm not pretending anything. I'm just saying that the system as it is does not bother me one bit because I don't feel that the "fairness" argument applies even one little bit. To me, the argument that "it isn't fair of team X does not get a chance to play offense" doesn't apply, because they got several chances to play offense during the first 60 minutes of the game. They had every chance for the game not to end in a tie. But it did, so there you go.
It’s fair team Y gets the only chance to play offense when they had just as many chances to win during the the first 60 minutes as team X but couldn’t win either?
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I agree with Ski. Bosk, your argument is still one-sided. What happened in regulation is irrelevant once OT is determined. That goes for both teams. Your "kicking the can down the road" theory is still true if teams are swapping FG's. It wouldn't be any different if they swapped TD's, because the next score would win anyway. Equal opportunity is the compelling factor here.
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These are the exact same arguments that were thrown around the first time they changed the rules and it did not ultimately change anything at all. The outcomes are still statistically nearly identical
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These are the exact same arguments that were thrown around the first time they changed the rules and it did not ultimately change anything at all. The outcomes are still statistically nearly identical
The number I saw was that in the playoffs, the team that wins the OT coin toss is 10-1.
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These are the exact same arguments that were thrown around the first time they changed the rules and it did not ultimately change anything at all. The outcomes are still statistically nearly identical
Actually, it did. In the 11 playoff seasons since the rule change, there have been 11 OT games. In seven of those games, the team that won the OT coin toss won the game without the other team ever touching the ball. However, in the prior 11 OT playoff games (from 2001/02-2009/10, it was exactly the opposite: in only four of those games did the team that won the OT coin toss win the game.
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I'm old school. You want to see the other teams QB in overtime? How about their defense steps up and stops the offense and make them punt or make them go for a field goal? It ain't that complicated.
And speaking of defense, there wasn't a lot of defense being played in the final 2 minutes of the Bills/Chiefs game. If I were a Chiefs fan, I'd be a little concerned.
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I'm old school. You want to see the other teams QB in overtime? How about their defense steps up and stops the offense and make them punt or make them go for a field goal? It ain't that complicated.
And speaking of defense, there wasn't a lot of defense being played in the final 2 minutes of the Bills/Chiefs game. If I were a Chiefs fan, I'd be a little concerned.
Why shouldn’t both defenses have to step up?
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These are the exact same arguments that were thrown around the first time they changed the rules and it did not ultimately change anything at all. The outcomes are still statistically nearly identical
Actually, it did. In the 11 playoff seasons since the rule change, there have been 11 OT games. In seven of those games, the team that won the OT coin toss won the game without the other team ever touching the ball. However, in the prior 11 OT playoff games (from 2001/02-2009/10, it was exactly the opposite: in only four of those games did the team that won the OT coin toss win the game.
So that would seem to imply that we should go back to the offense only having to score a field goal. Because it was more fair when we were doing that. OK, I’m game! ;D :corn
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I'm old school. You want to see the other teams QB in overtime? How about their defense steps up and stops the offense and make them punt or make them go for a field goal? It ain't that complicated.
And speaking of defense, there wasn't a lot of defense being played in the final 2 minutes of the Bills/Chiefs game. If I were a Chiefs fan, I'd be a little concerned.
Why shouldn’t both defenses have to step up?
Exactly. Equal opportunity defense as well as offense.
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I'm old school. You want to see the other teams QB in overtime? How about their defense steps up and stops the offense and make them punt or make them go for a field goal? It ain't that complicated.
And speaking of defense, there wasn't a lot of defense being played in the final 2 minutes of the Bills/Chiefs game. If I were a Chiefs fan, I'd be a little concerned.
Why shouldn’t both defenses have to step up?
If yours does, theirs does. Something to consider is that if your defense can't hold up on the first drive of OT it won't hold up on the second.
That said, I do like the whole period idea. The beauty of it is that it'll incorporate more strategy. At the same time, I'd still have a new coin toss to start the OT. Wind often matters. The problem is that the NFLPA will never go for it. The owners would love it, but if somebody blows and ACL during an OT that would otherwise have been over we'll never hear the end of it.
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Great games this past weekend. I don't have much to add about what most have been saying about KC/BUF, overtime, and TB/Brady. But still gonna just spew my reaction to the weekend.
Bitter ending to the first game for Titans fans. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory... I put that loss squarely on two people:
1) Todd Downing (OC)
2) Ryan Tannehill
Lots of talk about both right now amongst fans. It's weirdly interesting to see so much of the fan base kinda turn on Tannehill in just one afternoon. Most want him out now, think he'll never be the guy to get to the SB. Tannehill's contract is $57 million in cap hit next season, so he'll be back next year regardless (and probably back in 2023 as well). Lots of fans want Russell, but I don't see how the Titans could make that happen given Tannehill's contract (not to mention the contracts of other big pieces of the Titans' team). The upcoming draft is supposedly not great for QBs, so that's unlikely to provide any upgrade (I don't follow the draft at all so I'm just repeating what I'm hearing).
I actually still believe Tannehill can get there. Not if he plays like Saturday. But he's had some amazing QB play over the past 3 seasons, and if Titans stay healthy (unlike this season) and they get a better OC/play-caller, then I think Tannehill can absolutely manage things to the end. And he doesn't "always" crumple in big moments- he has just as many 4th quarter comebacks as any player over the past 3 seasons (tied with Brady, I believe). But what do I know... I look foolish defending the guy because then games like Saturday happen, and all the pundits are "right" (even though I don't think they are), etc. So I guess I'll just eat my crow on that one, and take the suckage of the whole situation and yearn for "next time."
Downing, on the other hand... that guy HAS to go. For lots of reasons, but a perfect example of his hair-pulling mad play-calling is that 3rd and 4th down situation where Titans needed just 1 yard... and he called the 2 slowest-developing plays I've ever seen (shoulda just had Tannehill sneak, or Henry dive forward, or Foreman plow forward, etc. etc.). Not to mention that idiotic play on Tannehill's 2nd interception. You've just driven the entire field on a few runs, and are hammering the Bengals defense at will with your non-Henry running attack. You're now inside the 10, and suddenly you throw an exposed/isolated short screen to the flat??? WHY?!?! Titans have sucked at those all year. Just give the rock to Foreman and let him go score over the next 3 plays. You did nothing to help your QB or your team there- horrible call. But apparently, Vrabel is already defending Downing, and it sure sounds like Downing will be back (ugh). In fact, believe it or not, the Titans just fired their inside linebacker coach today. As if defense was the problem...
Ugh. Tough few days. Titans HAD it. And totally blew it. Kudos and credit to Burrow- he took a crazy beating and kept going- and the rest of the Bengals. But that game woulda/coulda/shoulda ended differently, with even just below-average-but-not-incompetent decision-making. Nightmares of 1992 (leading Bills 35-3 and LOSING the game), 2001 (losing to Baltimore at home as top seed), 2008 (losing to Baltimore again at home as top seed) home playoff knockouts all over again. I don't know, man... maybe it's just in the Titans' underdog nature that they can't ever win a playoff game at home as the favored team... I think our fanbase is battered and scared of success- we've never really gotten to truly experience it, and we're always close but just waiting for everything to collapse (that's why the Music City Miracle was SO special, incidentally). So in a weirdly twisted way, I'm also somewhat happy for the Bengals fans, because they're mostly in the same boat as us about never getting their turn, and having it all fall apart. And on that note...
Pulling for Bengals over KC.
Pulling for Rams over 49ers.
Hoping for LA over CIN in the Super Bowl. Not upset at all if CIN wins it all.
Honestly, given the Titans are out, I'm OK with anyone other than the Chiefs. Which is why it's probably guaranteed to be KC...
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I'm old school. You want to see the other teams QB in overtime? How about their defense steps up and stops the offense and make them punt or make them go for a field goal? It ain't that complicated.
And speaking of defense, there wasn't a lot of defense being played in the final 2 minutes of the Bills/Chiefs game. If I were a Chiefs fan, I'd be a little concerned.
Why shouldn’t both defenses have to step up?
Exactly. Equal opportunity defense as well as offense.
Yeah, I have to agree with Hunnus. Three things:
1. There is no ironclad reason they should get "equal opportunity." This is a game, not the civil rights movement. I see no automatic entitlement to the kind of "equal opportunity" you are describing.
2. They already had "equal opportunity" for 60 whole minutes and could not break the tie by the end of regulation.
3. If they want additional "equal opportunity," they still get it in every situation but one: where their defense fails to stop the touchdown. If they want another shot, just stop the touchdown and they get their shot.
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Why doesn’t baseball end the game in extra innings if the away team scores in the tenth? I mean, the home team had their chance to stop them but didn’t. Game should be over, right?
Or maybe if the away team scores one run the home team gets a shot (field goal), but if they score two runs (touchdown) the game is over.
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Reports that Sean Payton has informed the Saints that he is stepping away as head coach.
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Reports that Sean Payton has informed the Saints that he is stepping away as head coach.
Kevin James is ready!
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Reports that Sean Payton has informed the Saints that he is stepping away as head coach.
Kevin James is ready!
Jesus Christ
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If Brady retires I wonder what the chances of St. Rodgers taking his place are. Seems like it'd be a win/win.
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If Brady retires I wonder what the chances of St. Rodgers taking his place are. Seems like it'd be a win/win.
Since we seem to have a bumper crop of talented young QBs right now, I'd be fine if Rodgers rides off into the sunset.
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If Brady retires I wonder what the chances of St. Rodgers taking his place are. Seems like it'd be a win/win.
Since we seem to have a bumper crop of talented young QBs right now, I'd be fine if Rodgers rides off into the sunset.
He might not, though, considering the very high likelihood he could pull an Elway or Manning and ride off a winner.
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Why doesn’t baseball end the game in extra innings if the away team scores in the tenth? I mean, the home team had their chance to stop them but didn’t. Game should be over, right?
Or maybe if the away team scores one run the home team gets a shot (field goal), but if they score two runs (touchdown) the game is over.
That sounds familiar: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56409.msg2851391#msg2851391
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If Brady retires I wonder what the chances of St. Rodgers taking his place are. Seems like it'd be a win/win.
It’d have to be a trade and Tampa probably doesn’t have enough to offer to make it happen.
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Why doesn’t baseball end the game in extra innings if the away team scores in the tenth? I mean, the home team had their chance to stop them but didn’t. Game should be over, right?
Or maybe if the away team scores one run the home team gets a shot (field goal), but if they score two runs (touchdown) the game is over.
1. Irrelevant to whatever the NFL decides and why they decide it.
2. The nature of the sports and how they score are completely different. In baseball, as you know, a team can only score offensively. There are no defensive scores, no special teams scores, no extra points, etc. The scoring is completely different. Additionally, baseball is entirely structured so that both teams get an equal number of innings. Football is not, and it is VERY common in the NFL for one team to have had more offensive drives than the other team in regulation play.
Comparing the MLB and the NFL doesn't really work, outside of maybe "they both involve groups of guys who get paid a lot of money to wear the same color clothes try to score points with a ball against another group of guys wearing a different color scheme."
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If Brady retires I wonder what the chances of St. Rodgers taking his place are. Seems like it'd be a win/win.
Since we seem to have a bumper crop of talented young QBs right now, I'd be fine if Rodgers rides off into the sunset.
He might not, though, considering the very high likelihood he could pull an Elway or Manning and ride off a winner.
I don't expect him to retire. Just saying that if he does, cool.
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Why doesn’t baseball end the game in extra innings if the away team scores in the tenth? I mean, the home team had their chance to stop them but didn’t. Game should be over, right?
Or maybe if the away team scores one run the home team gets a shot (field goal), but if they score two runs (touchdown) the game is over.
1. Irrelevant to whatever the NFL decides and why they decide it.
2. The nature of the sports and how they score are completely different. In baseball, as you know, a team can only score offensively. There are no defensive scores, no special teams scores, no extra points, etc. The scoring is completely different. Additionally, baseball is entirely structured so that both teams get an equal number of innings. Football is not, and it is VERY common in the NFL for one team to have had more offensive drives than the other team in regulation play.
Comparing the MLB and the NFL doesn't really work, outside of maybe "they both involve groups of guys who get paid a lot of money to wear the same color clothes try to score points with a ball against another group of guys wearing a different color scheme."
We could go on forever, and oh, what fun that could be, but I’ll just end by saying the NFL rules have consistently evolved to favor the offense. Let me know the next time a team decides to not receive the kick in OT, I doubt it will ever happen under the current rules.
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Why doesn’t baseball end the game in extra innings if the away team scores in the tenth? I mean, the home team had their chance to stop them but didn’t. Game should be over, right?
Or maybe if the away team scores one run the home team gets a shot (field goal), but if they score two runs (touchdown) the game is over.
1. Irrelevant to whatever the NFL decides and why they decide it.
2. The nature of the sports and how they score are completely different. In baseball, as you know, a team can only score offensively. There are no defensive scores, no special teams scores, no extra points, etc. The scoring is completely different. Additionally, baseball is entirely structured so that both teams get an equal number of innings. Football is not, and it is VERY common in the NFL for one team to have had more offensive drives than the other team in regulation play.
Comparing the MLB and the NFL doesn't really work, outside of maybe "they both involve groups of guys who get paid a lot of money to wear the same color clothes try to score points with a ball against another group of guys wearing a different color scheme."
We could go on forever, and oh, what fun that could be, but I’ll just end by saying the NFL rules have consistently evolved to favor the offense. Let me know the next time a team decides to not receive the kick in OT, I doubt it will ever happen under the current rules.
Exactly. Even the '85 Bears and '00 Ravens would take the ball in OT 100 times out of 100. Also...
Yes, it's correct that a baseball team cannot score defensively, but that's not the argument that's being thrown around. The argument is, "well...just play some defense and stop the coin-flip winning team from scoring" (as opposed to, "yeah, but you could get a pick-6"). That argument is absolutely equally applicable to baseball.
As I commented earlier, sudden death only works reasonably in hockey.
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Why doesn’t baseball end the game in extra innings if the away team scores in the tenth? I mean, the home team had their chance to stop them but didn’t. Game should be over, right?
Or maybe if the away team scores one run the home team gets a shot (field goal), but if they score two runs (touchdown) the game is over.
1. Irrelevant to whatever the NFL decides and why they decide it.
2. The nature of the sports and how they score are completely different. In baseball, as you know, a team can only score offensively. There are no defensive scores, no special teams scores, no extra points, etc. The scoring is completely different. Additionally, baseball is entirely structured so that both teams get an equal number of innings. Football is not, and it is VERY common in the NFL for one team to have had more offensive drives than the other team in regulation play.
Comparing the MLB and the NFL doesn't really work, outside of maybe "they both involve groups of guys who get paid a lot of money to wear the same color clothes try to score points with a ball against another group of guys wearing a different color scheme."
We could go on forever, and oh, what fun that could be, but I’ll just end by saying the NFL rules have consistently evolved to favor the offense. Let me know the next time a team decides to not receive the kick in OT, I doubt it will ever happen under the current rules.
I don't disagree with any of that, for the most part, other than perhaps to quibble over use of the word "evolved," simply because I do not believe that every rule change has been a change for the better. In some cases, there is an argument to be made that the game devolved as a result of rule changes. But be that as it may, I don't disagree that the rules can, and sometimes should, be changed. My point is simply that there is nothing about what happened this weekend (or in any other game) that says that they need to change. If the NFL wants to look at the rule and change it to something else, so be it. But personally, I'm not a fan of changing rules just because a particular game or a small handful of games came out differently than some feel they should have. To me, that's not a good enough reason.
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I'm old school. You want to see the other teams QB in overtime? How about their defense steps up and stops the offense and make them punt or make them go for a field goal? It ain't that complicated.
And speaking of defense, there wasn't a lot of defense being played in the final 2 minutes of the Bills/Chiefs game. If I were a Chiefs fan, I'd be a little concerned.
Why shouldn’t both defenses have to step up?
Exactly. Equal opportunity defense as well as offense.
Yeah, I have to agree with Hunnus. Three things:
1. There is no ironclad reason they should get "equal opportunity." This is a game, not the civil rights movement. I see no automatic entitlement to the kind of "equal opportunity" you are describing.
2. They already had "equal opportunity" for 60 whole minutes and could not break the tie by the end of regulation.
3. If they want additional "equal opportunity," they still get it in every situation but one: where their defense fails to stop the touchdown. If they want another shot, just stop the touchdown and they get their shot.
Your argument seem kind of inconsistent and selective. Both teams get the same opportunities throughout regulation. Offense/defense at beginning of game and/or start of 2nd half. Alternate direction at end of each qtr. Same about of timeouts and challenges, etc. In OT, they both get the same opportunity to possess the ball after an initial FG. Why should a TD be any different outside of being 6 points instead of 3? Just because it's the rule? All I'm saying is, the other team should be given the opportunity to answer an initial TD (in OT) by the other team just as they would for a FG. I don't see a problem with that.
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If Brady retires I wonder what the chances of St. Rodgers taking his place are. Seems like it'd be a win/win.
I still say he plays one year. He banged that 45 year old drum or until I sick. Well, he doesn't suck and 45 is next year.
All this talk stemmed from him pushing back the last episode of his ESPN+ show. I personally thin he wanted the playoffs added to the last show.
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If Brady retires I wonder what the chances of St. Rodgers taking his place are. Seems like it'd be a win/win.
I still say he plays one year. He banged that 45 year old drum or until I sick. Well, he doesn't suck and 45 is next year.
All this talk stemmed from him pushing back the last episode of his ESPN+ show. I personally thin he wanted the playoffs added to the last show.
I'm hoping he's back, but purely from a selfish point of view. Honestly for the past years I've had football on background and only tuned in during some playoff games and the superbowl. Last year with the Bucs winning it all has been tuned in the whole squad this year and made me aware of how talented the team was for a few years and he was one of the biggest missing piece.
Regardless, whatever he does, for me personally I have a new found love of all things football and following more than what I usually do. I can't believe how bummed I still am over that loss after that comeback. There's still a large talent pool in the team and I really hope they find success in the next season.
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I had so many great highs with him in N.E. That's why I threw a hissy fit about BB pushing him out a few weeks ago here. :lol
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I've told this before; I was at a bar having dinner right after my divorce and I met a guy that (supposedly) had a cup of coffee with the Giants while Belichick was there. According to him, he was decent but out of his league, knew his odds were slim, and so tried to make the most of it. One play, he saw something and ran way out of position and made the tackle. He was all happy, but Belichick was "who the fuck are you? What was your job?" According to him, he said something like "I read the play and figured I'd roam" and Belichick yelled at him "You're not Lawrence fucking Taylor, do YOUR job!" It might be all made up but it sounds good.
The point is, there's a fine line between sandlotting things and staying in the system.
Fair points. You can't have players freelancing on a regular basis, but if a vet or trusted player can see something at the line right before the snap and can make a play by doing something other than "their job," that is a player you want. You can't coach those kinds of instincts.
Reports that Sean Payton has informed the Saints that he is stepping away as head coach.
I guess after a decade and a half of having Drew Brees and somehow only making it to one Super Bowl, Payton is content to run for the hills instead of showing he can actually win on a regular basis without a top 10 all-timer at QB.
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Bet the house he's on TV making great money with less stress.
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BTW, for as good as Tony Romo is as an announcer, has anyone else noticed that his advise and suggestions in the 2-minute drill are often bizarre, sometimes bordering on nonsensical? I guess that explains why he often came up short at the end of so many games. In other words, Tony Romo is as announcer what he was as a QB: the guy you want for 56 minutes, just not in the last two minutes of either half. :lol
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Seriously! :lol
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Speaking of the 2-minute drill, we were talking about this at work today: who'd be the 5 QBs you'd take all-time if you had the ball at your own 20 with 2 minutes left in the Super Bowl and down 5. No one said Aaron Rodgers. He never even entered my mind. Great QB, but a total frontrunner. He is not an Elway or Brady or Peyton who will consistently lift a team up when they are down late, which is probably why he has so few 4th quarter comebacks (relative to his peers).
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I have wondered lately about Elway's "The Drive." Obviously a pivotal series for two franchises, and an achievement in its own right. But 3 decades later, I feel like in terms of game-winning drives, isn't this being eclipsed in terms of greatness on a regular basis?
Thinking about this coming weekend... I know nothing about Joe Burrow. Nothing. Is that even how you spell his name? I don't follow sports like most of you active in this thread, but if a high profile player can exist in the league this long with me knowing nothing about him, that leads me to believe he is focused on playing his game, not expanding his brand, leaving his legacy, making his mark on social media, or anything else. Correct me if I am wrong. So, with Brady out, and not caring at all who wins... Go Bengals!
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I have wondered lately about Elway's "The Drive." Obviously a pivotal series for two franchises, and an achievement in its own right. But 3 decades later, I feel like in terms of game-winning drives, isn't this being eclipsed in terms of greatness on a regular basis?
Yes. I was a huge Elway fan, but that driver is romanticized a bit too much, kind of the like the Dwight Clark catch. One reason is probably because we see a lot more offense now. Back then, catches and drives like that weren't as common, so they seemed more special. Nowadays, we see drives and catches like that every season. I think both get much recognition as well because the Clark catch is credited with kick starting the 49ers dynasty, while Elway's drive helped him get to his first Super Bowl. It is kind of like Brady's GWD in his first Super Bowl win against the Rams. I can think of a dozen Brady drives better than that one, but because that helped them win his first Super Bowl, it gets talked up more. It's just the way it goes.
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Fair points all around.
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I have wondered lately about Elway's "The Drive." Obviously a pivotal series for two franchises, and an achievement in its own right. But 3 decades later, I feel like in terms of game-winning drives, isn't this being eclipsed in terms of greatness on a regular basis?
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The final eight minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnumoR31H88
I finally watched this a few years ago, having worked 3rd shift the night before that game, gone out to breakfast with a wonderful woman I had dated for months, then met friends at a bar and drank until going over to one of those friends' homes and then.....well, (we were all young and single once).
Note, with maybe a bit too much of silence, Dick Enberg and Merlin Olsen's commentary was 'of the times'. In other words, 'professional', they actually kept quiet at times, so that, as a fan, YOU could enjoy the moment. Along with the camera work. A fan actually gets to enjoy the game (rather than the recent squirrel director's cut of eight camera switches between every gawddamn snap). I remembered seeing the OT. It was 'epic'. No one went 98 yards in under two minutes prior. And not in those conditions when DBs could still lock horns with WRs and get away with it.
Damn.....now I'm reminiscing about a long lost love. Damn you, sir! :D
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I'd do 1986 all over again, myself.
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Picks for this weekend:
Bengals @ Chiefs
49ers @ Rams
Saw a power ranking in the NFL app today of the remaining playoff teams, so that sparked me to do my own.
1. 49ers: Since week 8, they have been absolute monsters. Add to that holding the Cowboys to 17 points and the Packers to 10 on their home fields. And the fact that they are 3-0 this season against teams remaining in the playoffs. Yeah, we have some high powered offenses still in the mix. But the 49ers have shut down some of the best offenses in the league. Buffalo might have been ranked #1 all around on D, but they played a total of 5 regular season games against teams that went on into the playoffs. The 49ers played 9. I look forward to seeing them play their next 2 games in L.A.
2. Chiefs: NFL's power ranking had #1 and #2 switched. And I can't fault them for that, especially after what KC did last weekend. They are a contender for sure. And as much as I dislike Mahomes, I can't fault those heaping all the praise on him when this is his third championship game in a row.
3. Rams: If they played anyone else this Sunday, I might say that this is likely their year to get back to the big dance. They are legit. I don't care that the 49ers have beaten them the last 6 times they played. But it is relevant that they beat them the last 2 times and are going for a 3-game season sweep.
4. Cincy: I respect Burrow as an emerging young talent. His ability to stay cool, confident, and focused is perhaps his best asset. But I just don't give this team much of a chance against the remaining field of teams.
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If Brady retires I wonder what the chances of St. Rodgers taking his place are. Seems like it'd be a win/win.
It’d have to be a trade and Tampa probably doesn’t have enough to offer to make it happen.
I'll be damned, you're right. I just kind of assumed that his status landed him an opportunity to call his own shots.
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Looks like the Jaguars are set to hire Byron Leftwich as the head coach. According to Arians he'd revert to play calling the offense if Byron were to leave.
Wish the guy luck.
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Still thinking about that amazing weekend of football and the QBs involved . . .
Brady: Everyone probably thinks I hate Brady but that is far from the truth. He was worked extremely hard for all the success he has had. What I have a hard time stomaching is the loonier portion of his cult fanbase, which is why I'm glad the Rams pulled it out at the end so I wouldn't have to hear about Tom Force-willing 4 Rams fumbles during the comeback attempt - which wouldn't even be the craziest thing an opposing team has done against him (see: Falcons).
Stafford: I'm so freakin happy for Matt Stafford. Got drafted by a clown organization and just put his head down without complaint and balled out the best he could. Finally got some support and look what he can accomplish. So yeah, for every Ben or Brady or Rodgers that gets drafted by a good team some poor schmuck is getting drafted by the Lions or Jets.
Burrow: This kid's got balls big enough to bring in a dump truck; a classic line from Road House. Chiefs better have a plan for covering those 3 wideouts or they could lose a shootout.
Allen: The Terminator. Rooted for the Chiefs but felt for him. Watch out AFC East next year for an even more ticked-off and motivated Allen.
Mahomes: What else is there to say? I feel sorry for grumpy people who can't appreciate what he's doing. Just equaled Montana and Brady with his 5th playoff game with a 120+ passer rating (in 10 starts). Playoff competition is tougher than regular season but his playoff averages for yards, comp%, and TD/INT ratio are even BETTER than his awesome regular season numbers. Not to mention the kid always says and does the right thing and shows respect for everyone. Your loss.
Garoppolo: Survived yet another "hide the QB" gameplan, although he made some nice plays in the 4th quarter. Will that be enough to beat LA again?
Rodgers: Oh my. Oh this is bad. I hate using terms like "choke artist" because that is lazy click-bait analysis but this was not good. Yeah his horrendous special teams gave the opposition 10 points but Rodgers you gotta put up more than 10 points on offense. At home. Off a bye. And you know guys, it does need to be mentioned that Rodgers' career 4th-quarter performances are not equal to his peers.
Tannehill: Yikes. It must have taken every ounce of Vrabel's will not to beat the shat out of Tannehill after the game. The Titans have a SB-worthy roster that got sunk by RT like the iceberg sank the titanic.
Lastly, a guy that ended his career the previous weekend. Saints, Steelers, and Patriots fans know what it's like when your long-time franchise QB retires or leaves and you're staring into the abyss. The Steelers scored over 20 points in their loss, the only team that weekend to go over 20 in a loss, and it was a record 14th time that happened in the playoffs. "Steel Curtain" defense my ass.
Enjoy the games y'all.
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Yep, regardless of what I think of Kroenke and the Rams at this point, you gotta be happy for Stafford. After being stuck on the most pathetic organization in pro sports, he finally got to a real one and is showing what he can do.
I agree with bosk's point earlier too about the Bills D. Their number 1 ranking was a bit misleading as they feasted on a lot of bad and/or rookie QBs this season. And of course you can only play who's on your schedule, but context and strength of schedule does matter. Look at the NFC West. I said it four months ago that it might be hard for any team from that division to get the 1 seed simply because they all have to play each other, but here we are and despite the three playoff teams being the 4, 5 and 6 seeds, the teams in the NFCCG are both from the NFC West.
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I'm already seeing people treating Mahomes like Brady et al. Kid's only in his fourth season! At least give him a decade of consistent "being up there" before starting that talk!
Also the draft sucks cos the talent goes to absolute garbage teams, and it's gotta be them that tries to pull them out of the mire they're forever destined to be stuck in.
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Still thinking about that amazing weekend of football and the QBs involved . . .
Burrow: This kid's got balls big enough to bring in a dump truck; a classic line from Road House. Chiefs better have a plan for covering those 3 wideouts or they could lose a shootout.
You said a mouthful there. If the Chiefs defensive backs play like they did the last 2 minutes of the last game, then they are going to be in for a loooong day. Also, Cincy has the younger team and I tend to give the nod to youth in games like this.
Oh - and I actually watched Road House for the first time ever a couple of weeks ago. It was so bad that it was awesome! :metal
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I've told this before; I was at a bar having dinner right after my divorce and I met a guy that (supposedly) had a cup of coffee with the Giants while Belichick was there. According to him, he was decent but out of his league, knew his odds were slim, and so tried to make the most of it. One play, he saw something and ran way out of position and made the tackle. He was all happy, but Belichick was "who the fuck are you? What was your job?" According to him, he said something like "I read the play and figured I'd roam" and Belichick yelled at him "You're not Lawrence fucking Taylor, do YOUR job!" It might be all made up but it sounds good.
The point is, there's a fine line between sandlotting things and staying in the system.
Fair points. You can't have players freelancing on a regular basis, but if a vet or trusted player can see something at the line right before the snap and can make a play by doing something other than "their job," that is a player you want. You can't coach those kinds of instincts.
Well, the followup was, LT can do what he does BECAUSE everyone else is doing their job. You have to have roles, you have to work as a team. I'm sure it's the same for many teams at receiver; Travis Kelce or Davante Adams likely have different "breakdown" responsibilities than the other receivers. You can't just have four recievers, or four linebackers, running around the field willy nilly.
I suppose you could, but then you'd be the Jets. :o ;D
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I have wondered lately about Elway's "The Drive." Obviously a pivotal series for two franchises, and an achievement in its own right. But 3 decades later, I feel like in terms of game-winning drives, isn't this being eclipsed in terms of greatness on a regular basis?
Thinking about this coming weekend... I know nothing about Joe Burrow. Nothing. Is that even how you spell his name? I don't follow sports like most of you active in this thread, but if a high profile player can exist in the league this long with me knowing nothing about him, that leads me to believe he is focused on playing his game, not expanding his brand, leaving his legacy, making his mark on social media, or anything else. Correct me if I am wrong. So, with Brady out, and not caring at all who wins... Go Bengals!
I don't know what kind of players you like, but for me, I like tough, hardnosed players that do their job and hand the ball to the referee. Guys that just seem to refuse to lose, that have the ability to will themselves and others around them, to win. Other than his occasional "FIRST DOWN!" nonsense, guys like Brady. Brees. Manning. Burrow has a bit of that, but he's got a healthy amount of swagger too. They've been playing a fair number of his quotes from press conferences on ESPN, and I really like the guy. Guy's been a sort of underdog most of his career, and has delivered at every level so far.
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I'd do 1986 all over again, myself.
Sign me up. Sophomore year of college at what was then the number five party school in the nation? I'm in.
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I'd do 1986 all over again, myself.
Sign me up. Sophomore year of college at what was then the number five party school in the nation? I'm in.
My freshman year. Two kids from Newington lived a couple of rooms down from me. Everytime I saw their UConn friends show up, I knew I wasn't going to class the next day.
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I'm already seeing people treating Mahomes like Brady et al. Kid's only in his fourth season! At least give him a decade of consistent "being up there" before starting that talk!
Also the draft sucks cos the talent goes to absolute garbage teams, and it's gotta be them that tries to pull them out of the mire they're forever destined to be stuck in.
For the record, I did NOT pay RoeDent to say that. He's right as rain, of course, but he said that of his own free will.
Brady: Everyone probably thinks I hate Brady but that is far from the truth.
I remain skeptical. ;) :) :)
Mahomes: What else is there to say? I feel sorry for grumpy people who can't appreciate what he's doing.
Oh, Bosk, can you change my name to "Grumpy Person", please? :) :) :) :))
(I'm kidding; please don't.)
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(Oh, and Bosk, can you change my name to "Grumpy Old Man"? :) :) :))
*resists*
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Kind of a weird stat.
Now that Brady lost, the 56-year streak continues: No QB in NFL history has ever led the league in passing AND won the Super Bowl in the same year.
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Speaking of the 2-minute drill, we were talking about this at work today: who'd be the 5 QBs you'd take all-time if you had the ball at your own 20 with 2 minutes left in the Super Bowl and down 5. No one said Aaron Rodgers. He never even entered my mind. Great QB, but a total frontrunner. He is not an Elway or Brady or Peyton who will consistently lift a team up when they are down late, which is probably why he has so few 4th quarter comebacks (relative to his peers).
Off he top of my head: Elway, Brady, Montana and Eli Manning (scoff all you want, but SB42 and 46 speak for themselves). The fourth spot would be tougher, but names like Young, Roethlisberger and Warner come to mind before I get to Rodgers.
I have wondered lately about Elway's "The Drive." Obviously a pivotal series for two franchises, and an achievement in its own right. But 3 decades later, I feel like in terms of game-winning drives, isn't this being eclipsed in terms of greatness on a regular basis?
The Broncos social media posted some stuff about this a couple weeks ago (on the anniversary of the game on January 11). I was 19 when that game was played, and I had lost all recollection of how much time was left when that drive began. The Browns were up 20-13. On the ensuing kickoff the no-name scrub that the Broncos had to field the kick didn't catch it (at around the 20-yard line). He ultimately fell on it, and The Drive began on the 2-yard line with 5:32 left in the 4th quarter. That's more than twice the amount of time that it took for the Chiefs and Bills to score 25 points. Of course, the weather conditions for The Drive were vastly different, and the Browns actually played defense, but yeah, it didn't seem nearly as impressive as I remembered it.
I'd do 1986 all over again, myself.
Sign me up. Sophomore year of college at what was then the number five party school in the nation? I'm in.
My freshman year. Two kids from Newington lived a couple of rooms down from me. Everytime I saw their UConn friends show up, I knew I wasn't going to class the next day.
Man...in retrospect, I really wish I'd done college in a more traditional (i.e., less stupid) way. I don't think I'd want a do-over unless I had better sense to make better choices.
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Oh, Bosk, can you change my name to "Grumpy Person", please? :) :) :) :))
(I'm kidding; please don't.)
i asked for a username change years ago. I thought mine was cool 20 years ago (it wasn't). I was wrong (it still isn't).
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I've told this before; I was at a bar having dinner right after my divorce and I met a guy that (supposedly) had a cup of coffee with the Giants while Belichick was there. According to him, he was decent but out of his league, knew his odds were slim, and so tried to make the most of it. One play, he saw something and ran way out of position and made the tackle. He was all happy, but Belichick was "who the fuck are you? What was your job?" According to him, he said something like "I read the play and figured I'd roam" and Belichick yelled at him "You're not Lawrence fucking Taylor, do YOUR job!" It might be all made up but it sounds good.
The point is, there's a fine line between sandlotting things and staying in the system.
Fair points. You can't have players freelancing on a regular basis, but if a vet or trusted player can see something at the line right before the snap and can make a play by doing something other than "their job," that is a player you want. You can't coach those kinds of instincts.
Well, the followup was, LT can do what he does BECAUSE everyone else is doing their job. You have to have roles, you have to work as a team. I'm sure it's the same for many teams at receiver; Travis Kelce or Davante Adams likely have different "breakdown" responsibilities than the other receivers. You can't just have four recievers, or four linebackers, running around the field willy nilly.
I suppose you could, but then you'd be the Jets. :o ;D
:lol :lol
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I'm already seeing people treating Mahomes like Brady et al. Kid's only in his fourth season! At least give him a decade of consistent "being up there" before starting that talk!
Also the draft sucks cos the talent goes to absolute garbage teams, and it's gotta be them that tries to pull them out of the mire they're forever destined to be stuck in.
For the record, I did NOT pay RoeDent to say that. He's right as rain, of course, but he said that of his own free will.
Okay, but it is not unusual for the media to salivate over the next great one in real time. The slobbering over Brett Favre in the mid to late 90s was as bad as it is now for Mahomes (which made the SB win over them following the '97 season a touch sweeter). And let's face it, Mahomes has had a great incredible four years, all things considered, so it's not like he's Kerry Collins out there. :)
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Speaking of the 2-minute drill, we were talking about this at work today: who'd be the 5 QBs you'd take all-time if you had the ball at your own 20 with 2 minutes left in the Super Bowl and down 5. No one said Aaron Rodgers. He never even entered my mind. Great QB, but a total frontrunner. He is not an Elway or Brady or Peyton who will consistently lift a team up when they are down late, which is probably why he has so few 4th quarter comebacks (relative to his peers).
Off he top of my head: Elway, Brady, Montana and Eli Manning (scoff all you want, but SB42 and 46 speak for themselves). The fourth spot would be tougher, but names like Young, Roethlisberger and Warner come to mind before I get to Rodgers.
My immediate choices were Brady, Montana, Peyton, Elway and Marino, although Mahomes was a major honorable mention (13 seconds!!).
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Speaking of the 2-minute drill, we were talking about this at work today: who'd be the 5 QBs you'd take all-time if you had the ball at your own 20 with 2 minutes left in the Super Bowl and down 5. No one said Aaron Rodgers. He never even entered my mind. Great QB, but a total frontrunner. He is not an Elway or Brady or Peyton who will consistently lift a team up when they are down late, which is probably why he has so few 4th quarter comebacks (relative to his peers).
Off he top of my head: Elway, Brady, Montana and Eli Manning (scoff all you want, but SB42 and 46 speak for themselves). The fourth spot would be tougher, but names like Young, Roethlisberger and Warner come to mind before I get to Rodgers.
My immediate choices were Brady, Montana, Peyton, Elway and Marino, although Mahomes was a major honorable mention (13 seconds!!).
I'd go with Montana, Brady, Peyton Manning, and Kurt Warner
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So...apparently Rodgers thinks people showed up in droves at the game last weekend just to boo him because of his vax status. ???
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So...apparently Rodgers thinks people showed up in droves at the game last weekend just to boo him because of his vax status. ???
Most people like him always think everyone is out to get them. Good ol paranoia. Or maybe gang stalking.
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Broncos have hired Packers OC Nathaniel Hackett as their head coach.
Fire up the Rodgers to Denver rumor mill.
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So...apparently Rodgers thinks people showed up in droves at the game last weekend just to boo him because of his vax status. ???
Dude he's being CENSORED!!!!
(28 minutes into his next cable news interview)
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Broncos have hired Packers OC Nathaniel Hackett as their head coach.
Fire up the Rodgers to Denver rumor mill.
Isn't Davante Adams a free-agent too?
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Broncos have hired Packers OC Nathaniel Hackett as their head coach.
Fire up the Rodgers to Denver rumor mill.
Isn't Davante Adams a free-agent too?
He can be franchised tagged.
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So...apparently Rodgers thinks people showed up in droves at the game last weekend just to boo him because of his vax status. ???
Most people like him always think everyone is out to get them. Good ol paranoia. Or maybe gang stalking.
Nah, he's just trying to take the focus off the fact that he can't beat the 49ers in the playoffs on his own field. :loser:
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So...apparently Rodgers thinks people showed up in droves at the game last weekend just to boo him because of his vax status. ???
Most people like him always think everyone is out to get them. Good ol paranoia. Or maybe gang stalking.
Nah, he's just trying to take the focus off the fact that he can't beat the 49ers in the playoffs on his own field. :loser:
No, He is narcissistic.
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Even if that's true, it's not the reason the fans were booing last weekend.
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That's why he's narcissistic. He believes that is the story. Not his play.
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:lol
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Exactly! :lol
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Can someone be narcissistic and host Jeopardy at the same time? Sounds like double jeopardy! :lol
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Can you imagine him and what he would say?! :lol
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That explains why he was so upset that everyone else was getting the "Rodgers rate" from State Farm. :rollin
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Regarding who'd I want leading a 2-minute drive in a must-win game, I'll just share this and then you can deduce my preference:
Playoffs, tied or down 1-8 PTS in 4Q/OT
Mahomes: 19/29 (65.5%) for 357 yds, 4 TD, 0 INT, 12.3 YPA, 147.6 PR
Brady: 142/239 (59.4%) for 1565 yds, 8 TD, 3 INT, 6.5 YPA, 84.8 PR
Mahomes after two-minute warning vs. Bills (3 drives):
10/13 for 188 yards, 2 TD
It took Brady 15 seasons and 27 playoff games to get to 4 such TD passes. By the way this is NOT to be misconstrued as HATE.
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Even crazier is this:
The Chiefs are 3-1 in the playoffs with Patrick Mahomes when their in-game win probability dips below 5%. The rest of the NFL is 1-38 since 2018.
:eek :eek :eek
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That's an oddly specific stat. But I get what it's getting at, and that is pretty impressive. Does that make him basically the poster child for "Mr. Clutch?"
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That's an oddly specific stat. But I get what it's getting at, and that is pretty impressive. Does that make him basically the poster child for "Mr. Clutch?"
It certainly makes him the poster child for being able to get the ball to two of the best YAC receivers in the game. It is a very impressive stat, but I don't think it reflects solely on Mahomes.
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That's an oddly specific stat. But I get what it's getting at, and that is pretty impressive. Does that make him basically the poster child for "Mr. Clutch?"
It certainly makes him the poster child for being able to get the ball to two of the best YAC receivers in the game. It is a very impressive stat, but I don't think it reflects solely on Mahomes.
Kelce is obviously a beast (he might be the greatest tight end ever, as he is putting up numbers similar to Gronk while being far more durable), but I think the value of Tyreek Hill cannot be overstated. He was probably a big reason why the Chiefs were able to get in FG range in two plays at the end, as if you watch the coverages the Bills were playing, it looked like they were terrified of getting beat over the top by Hill's speed because, let's face it, if he gets past your last line of defense, it's game over.
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Regarding who'd I want leading a 2-minute drive in a must-win game, I'll just share this and then you can deduce my preference:
Playoffs, tied or down 1-8 PTS in 4Q/OT
Mahomes: 19/29 (65.5%) for 357 yds, 4 TD, 0 INT, 12.3 YPA, 147.6 PR
Brady: 142/239 (59.4%) for 1565 yds, 8 TD, 3 INT, 6.5 YPA, 84.8 PR
Mahomes after two-minute warning vs. Bills (3 drives):
10/13 for 188 yards, 2 TD
It took Brady 15 seasons and 27 playoff games to get to 4 such TD passes. By the way this is NOT to be misconstrued as HATE.
It's not MISCONSTRUED as hate. It IS hate. Don't shy away from it now. :)
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That's an oddly specific stat. But I get what it's getting at, and that is pretty impressive. Does that make him basically the poster child for "Mr. Clutch?"
It certainly makes him the poster child for being able to get the ball to two of the best YAC receivers in the game. It is a very impressive stat, but I don't think it reflects solely on Mahomes.
And as I always say, let's see what all those numbers look like when he's into his second or third iteration of skill players, and instead of Travis Kelce and Tyreek "Thug" Hill, he's throwing to Stadler and KeShmev. If you use 3.5 years - a little longer than what the numbers are saying now, though the average is a lot longer for "Pro Bowl Players", Brady has played through SIX iterations of skill players, over two teams, while Mahomes is still on his first. For f***'s sake, let him at least do ONE transition of skill players before we annoint him.
I could have hit Kelce on all but that last throw in the Bills game. He had two to three feet of separation - which is HUGE for a guy of his size and speed - on most plays. Ryan Tannehill could have hit some of those throws. Oh, sorry, he threw it sidearm, I forgot, that makes it great. ;) :) :) I'm kidding; he played great in that last two minutes, and he was an integral part of his team winning. There is no doubt. But equal weapons? Mahomes isn't in my top five RIGHT NOW for two minutes.
Brady; Montana; Staubach (his nickname was "Captain Comeback"); Peyton Manning; John Elway. Honorable mention: Terry Bradshaw, Eli Manning, Patrick Mahomes, Matthew Stafford.
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(https://i.imgur.com/RH79VQV.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/RH79VQV.jpg)
That’s is awesome!!
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https://twitter.com/bobbystroupe/status/1486362912398716930
Thread on how the way Mahomes moves is basically inhuman
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One thing I've always liked about Brady was that, especially off the field, he gives props and respect for his peers. Just did it for Ben, did it for Eli and Peyton and Brees. Good stuff :tup.
And that got me thinking about something . . . I mean it would be crazy for any 1 person to have all these skills, but could you imagine Brady or Peyton with all their study and prep and hard work and brainpower, if they ALSO had the freakish athleticism of an Allen or Mahomes? They would be absolutely unstoppable and literally be in every Super Bowl.
But . . . Aaron Rodgers is probably the closest anyone has ever been to having all that. The brains, the arm, the athleticism - but he has continually come up short to where I can no longer give him a pass. Like I've said before I don't like using "choker" but I have to question his mental toughness. That's one of the things that's made Brady so great is his mental toughness. Even in that first Super Bowl against the Rams as a kid the moment wasn't too big for him and Belichick already knew that about him. Forget going to OT and giving the Greatest Show on Turf another chance to get on track, let this kid with ice in his veins win it.
But in stark comparison, last year in the NFC Championship Game, no two ways around it Brady HANDED him the game and Rodgers was like "no, here, you take it back and add to your already considerable legacy". Yeah the Bucs were a little handsy with his receivers but you've got to make a play there. What'd he score, 6 points off those turnovers? Man you gotta get 10 to 17 points. I mean I have to imagine all these new young hotshots Burrow Herbert Mahomes Allen make plays in that situation, they've all proven to be cool customers under pressure.
So to sum up I don't think any player in history did more to damage their legacy than Rodgers the last 2 postseasons.
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Tom Brady retires!
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33173652/tom-brady-retiring-22-seasons-seven-super-bowl-wins-new-england-patriots-tampa-bay-buccaneers-sources-say
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Well, well.
Thank you Tom for something I never thought I'd see, a SB win in N.E.but 6 of them. The QST one has special meaning as I was going through chemotherapy at that time and the team lifted my spirits during a rough time in my life.
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Your instincts were correct TAC. Thanks for the Superbowl Tom!
Apparently the local reporters are saying he hasn't officially told the Bucs yet.
Weird how it's going down. Tom's agent sent a text to ESPN saying he'll announce in due time isn't confirming or denying the news. The TB12 sports account deleted their tweet.
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Tom Brady retires!
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33173652/tom-brady-retiring-22-seasons-seven-super-bowl-wins-new-england-patriots-tampa-bay-buccaneers-sources-say
It’s over. The reign of terror. It’s over. I’ve never been this happy about someone’s retirement in my life.
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:lol
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I'm betting that Tom is furious at Adam and company for leaking the news. I'm sure he was set to retire but wanted to do it on his own terms and not by some shitty leaked report.
Here's another tweet (https://twitter.com/MikeSilver/status/1487531223433965568?s=20&t=y4ELqXaHd9Gtfm9doNVyag)
Report for @BallySports: Tom Brady contacted @Buccaneers GM Jason Licht and told him he has not yet made a final decision on retirement, disputing the ESPN report.
Licht is respecting Brady's process and waiting for a definitive answer, whenever it comes, from the QB.
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Tom Brady retires!
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33173652/tom-brady-retiring-22-seasons-seven-super-bowl-wins-new-england-patriots-tampa-bay-buccaneers-sources-say
It’s over. The reign of terror. It’s over. I’ve never been this happy about someone’s retirement in my life.
:lol
Congratulations!
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Amazing career :tup :metal. In the late 90’s a bunch of legends like Marino and Elway and Aikman retired but the NFL moved on and thrived. It’s bigger than any 1 player. NFC South is wide open now.
Congrats to TB12 who worked his butt off to be who he became.
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I'm guessing the official word from Tom will take some time to come out. As of now "Tom's not even close to making a decision (https://twitter.com/gregauman/status/1487542219590545411?t=k22jaBPn-Qjmdxenl-ZNSQ&s=19)".
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Maybe it’s all a giant hoax :lol.
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As a casual sports fan, I cannot think of many pro athletes whose retirement left such a void for me in the world of their respective sport as Brady will with the NFL. Not an emptiness, but just a constant awareness that he won't be on the field every Sunday any longer.
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Eh, the league will be fine. ;) The NFL is a machine and way bigger than any one player. It survived just fine when Jerry Rice (still the true football GOAT) retired, it survived just fine when Peyton Manning retired, and it will survive just fine when Tom Brady retires.
Plus, Mahomes is poised to overtake Brady as the QB GOAT, per Stadler's sources. :P :P
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NFL is on a high right now. Brady retiring isn't stopping that train.
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Plus, Mahomes is poised to overtake Brady as the QB GOAT, per Stadler's sources. :P :P
Dream Team is NOT a source. :lol
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:rollin :rollin
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Plus, Mahomes is poised to overtake Brady as the QB GOAT, per Stadler's sources. :P :P
I heard he already got his fingers sized for eight more rings.
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Today's games: Chiefs by 3, and Stafford leads the Rams on a late GW drive.
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I think the Bengals hang in there for a while, but their o-line is leaky and I think the dam eventually breaks and the Chiefs take over and run away it it. I will say 45-24.
The 49ers have owned the Rams for years, but I think the Rams find a way to eke out a close one. I will say 23-21.
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Plus, Mahomes is poised to overtake Brady as the QB GOAT, per Stadler's sources. :P :P
Dream Team is NOT a source. :lol
I can't even joke about that.
Tune in to the game today and shocker of all shockers, Nantz and Romo are doing the game. I intended to turn the sound down but couldn't find the remote (it's a different one than the channels) and it was as bad as I had feared. Touchdown to Hill, both Nantz and Romo erupt in orgasm, and Nantz basically says "this is over", Romo says "we're done here" and Nantz then asks Romo when his flight is. Are you fucking kidding me?
In all my years of rooting for sports teams, I have never wanted a team to win as much as I want the Bengals to win today.
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They also said the Bengals are not done yes. But honestly, KC is on today all ready.
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Plus, Mahomes is poised to overtake Brady as the QB GOAT, per Stadler's sources. :P :P
Dream Team is NOT a source. :lol
I can't even joke about that.
Tune in to the game today and shocker of all shockers, Nantz and Romo are doing the game. I intended to turn the sound down but couldn't find the remote (it's a different one than the channels) and it was as bad as I had feared. Touchdown to Hill, both Nantz and Romo erupt in orgasm, and Nantz basically says "this is over", Romo says "we're done here" and Nantz then asks Romo when his flight is. Are you fucking kidding me?
In all my years of rooting for sports teams, I have never wanted a team to win as much as I want the Bengals to win today.
I'd be right there with you. At the same time, if KC wins the Superb Owl there are two bottles of French wine in it for me (the Scotch be's mine already). So yeah, in principle I'd love Cinci to win. I'm also a Bengals fan from decades ago. On a practical level my horse is hitched to KC, though.
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Mahomes has 3 times as many TDs as incompletions. I wish this flash in the pan would just retire already.
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Flash in the pan. Lolol. Stads. He's the real deal. Now can he win 7 rings? Can KC reset with players around him for 15 more years?
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Plus, Mahomes is poised to overtake Brady as the QB GOAT, per Stadler's sources. :P :P
Dream Team is NOT a source. :lol
I can't even joke about that.
Tune in to the game today and shocker of all shockers, Nantz and Romo are doing the game. I intended to turn the sound down but couldn't find the remote (it's a different one than the channels) and it was as bad as I had feared. Touchdown to Hill, both Nantz and Romo erupt in orgasm, and Nantz basically says "this is over", Romo says "we're done here" and Nantz then asks Romo when his flight is. Are you fucking kidding me?
In all my years of rooting for sports teams, I have never wanted a team to win as much as I want the Bengals to win today.
The beauty of this is now you know how many felt all of those years when the Patriots kept winning. :)
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Andy Reid should knock Mahomes upside his head Whiplash style for squandering 3 points. If he said he could throw a TD or an incompletion in less than 5 seconds I probably would have trusted him, too. I would have damn sure expected him to know it was one or the other and not to throw it 5 yards out, though. Stupid play on the new GOAT's part.
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Today's games: Chiefs by 3
Touchdowns that is.
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Andy Reid should knock Mahomes upside his head Whiplash style for squandering 3 points. If he said he could throw a TD or an incompletion in less than 5 seconds I probably would have trusted him, too. I would have damn sure expected him to know it was one or the other and not to throw it 5 yards out, though. Stupid play on the new GOAT's part.
Yep, bad decision there by Mahomes. Ultimately, it probably means they will win 42-24 instead of 45-24, but you still have to be better than that in that situation.
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Listening to these games is bringing back nightmares of the Braves being in the postseason year after year thru the 90s.
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Ooohhhwheee, Go Bengals! :metal
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What a turn of events.
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Dramatic
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A lot of outcries in KC right now.
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Kelce..wide open!
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Ok.. Does kc get the toss again?
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KC got a bit too cute there.
Of course we're going to overtime.
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Mahomes has clearly learned all he knows about situational football from Andy Reid. Romo hasn't said one thing about repeated stupid decisions by him, either.
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Romo was too busy throwing out his own stupid ideas. Seriously, it is amazing how dreadful Romo's advice is at the end of games.
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I'd honestly rather listen to Joe buck than Romo.
That was three shitty passes by Mahomes in a row.. Wonder if he's hurting?
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With apologies to Cool Chris.....Congratulations Stadler!
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Holy crap! Way to go Cincinnati!!
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I've seen it all. I've never been more shocked with a team making a Super Bowl. Happy as hell for them though. Incredible.
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But whoever wins the coin toss in overtime wins the game!
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Awesome!!
Way to go, Bengals!! :metal :metal
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That might be the happiest I've been about losing out on free booze.
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Yeah, CBS should have cut to a live feed of those two crying. As likeable as Mahomes is, his wife and his brother are annoying toolbags.
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Flash in the pan. Lolol. Stads. He's the real deal. Now can he win 7 rings? Can KC reset with players around him for 15 more years?
I knew it was coming. It's not MAHOMES. It's never been about Mahomes. It's the ANNOINTING of Mahomes. I can't be any clearer than I already am. He's mortal, not "Superman", like Romo kept calling him all game long. Though the 2 interceptions in the second half and the bad sack sort of make Dream Teams comments... out of touch.
Oh, and Joe Burrow is the greatest quarterback I've ever seen. Ever. ;) :) :) :)
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For the record, I did NOT make that.
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Hey, I'm happy! Lol
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We live in an alternate reality
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We live in an alternate reality
No, we live in REALITY. Those that think the Chiefs are something more than just a football team are in the alternate reality.
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Stadler RN: https://youtu.be/xSTN3mHEAOA
Seriously great game. I'm team Bengals all the way now
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Mahomes has to wear the brunt of this loss. His play at the end of the first half was dreadful (5 seconds, either throw it to a wide open guy right away or throw it away so you can still kick the FG, DO NOT throw it to a guy at the 3-yard line), and then he looked rattled most of the second half and OT.
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Ok.. Let the nerves begin...
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It's never been about Mahomes. It's the ANNOINTING of Mahomes.
This. I had the same problem with St. Rodgers.
Mahomes has to wear the brunt of this loss. His play at the end of the first half was dreadful (5 seconds, either throw it to a wide open guy right away or throw it away so you can still kick the FG, DO NOT throw it to a guy at the 3-yard line), and then he looked rattled most of the second half and OT.
Absolutely. He went from GOAT to goat in 35 minutes.
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And just think, for all of the numbers and stats the Chiefs and Mahomes have put up in the last four years, they have 1 ring to show for it. 1.
They ought to be sending Jimmy G a Christmas card every year for overthrowing Emmanuel Sanders at the end of SB54 otherwise that number could be 0.
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And just think, for all of the numbers and stats the Chiefs and Mahomes have put up in the last four years, they have 1 ring to show for it. 1.
And they're lucky to have that one.
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Ok.. Let the nerves begin...
Good luck RJ.
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And just think, for all of the numbers and stats the Chiefs and Mahomes have put up in the last four years, they have 1 ring to show for it. 1.
And they're lucky to have that one.
Kinda. See my edit. :)
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I think Mahomes is starting to believe the Superman hype. His boneheaded plays all seemed to be him thinking he can work miracles. "I'm Patrick Mahomes! I can run backwards 20 yards of 3rd and goal and still throw a touchdown!"
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Now that my gambling endeavors are over for the year, I'm rooting for SF. I'd like to see Cincinnati avenge the loss in '89.
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I think Mahomes is starting to believe the Superman hype. His boneheaded plays all seemed to be him thinking he can work miracles. "I'm Patrick Mahomes! I can run backwards 20 yards of 3rd and goal and still throw a touchdown!"
Agreed. I would have thought they had learned their lesson after last year's Super Bowl where they thought they could run their offense as is despite missing two key o-linemen and got clowned, but they apparently did not. They looked like a team that thought couldn't be stopped and then looked befuddled when the Bengals punched back.
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Michael Buffer..STFU! Who cares.
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Without a horse in the race, I don't think I've ever been so thoroughly entertained by an NFL post season. 1st week was a dud but everything since then has been crazy fun to watch.
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Jimmy G looks bad so far. :corn
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Jimmy G looks bad so far. :corn
That is what he does. He is good for an overthrow or two of a wide open receiver a game, so might as well get out of his system early. :lol
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Jimmy G looks bad so far. :corn
That is what he does. He is good for an overthrow or two of a wide open receiver a game, so might as well get out of his system early. :lol
As long as he gets it out of his system.
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Jimmy G looks bad so far. :corn
Stafford. Hold my beer.
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Jimmy G looks bad so far. :corn
Stafford. Hold my beer.
At least the Niners D is doing their job.
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Warner with an awful cheap shot on Stafford after the pick. That was really dirty.
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Rams look better right now, if they lose it's only because of dropped passes.
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Dropped passes that should be caught.
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Dropped passes that should be caught.
Yeah, that's why they call them dropped, dumbass. :lol
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:lol
Come on! Lol. You know when some are tough drops and so easy, how did you drop that passes!
Also, stop talking to my wife :lol
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:lol
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Momentum is really starting to swing in San Francisco’s favor. The 49ers really have the Rams number.
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LA fans suck. So many SF fans there. That team deserves better. When you're bad I understand but this is thec AFC Championship game!
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LA fans suck. So many SF fans there. That team deserves better. When you're bad I understand but this is thec AFC Championship game!
Your wife wants me to tell you that this is actually the NFC Championship game.
And she also called you a dumbass. :lol :lol
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LA fans suck. So many SF fans there. That team deserves better. When you're bad I understand but this is thec AFC Championship game!
I’m sorry….this is what now?
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LA fans suck. So many SF fans there. That team deserves better. When you're bad I understand but this is thec AFC Championship game!
You wife wants me to tell you that this is actually the NFC Championship game.
And she also called you a dumbass. :lol :lol
:vomitard:
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What the hell was that taunting call?
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LA fans suck. So many SF fans there. That team deserves better. When you're bad I understand but this is thec AFC Championship game!
Your wife wants me to tell you that this is actually the NFC Championship game.
And she also called you a dumbass. :lol :lol
Your wife is in bed with her vibrator named "Google."
She doesn't search for long.
You want to play this game amateur homie? :lol
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OK Chad. :P
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:lol
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Wow. Just wow....That missed interception. :censored
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What a dumb challenge from McVay.
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LA fans suck. So many SF fans there. That team deserves better. When you're bad I understand but this is thec AFC Championship game!
I’m sorry….this is what now?
Are you watching the game? So many SF fans at the game in L.A.
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:censored
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Dropped interceptions that should be caught.
;D
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Dropped interceptions that should be caught.
;D
Indeed. And now the Niners seem content to just throw the game away on this drive.
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Dropped interceptions that should be caught.
;D
Indeed. And now the Niners seem content to just throw the game away on this drive.
They had two dumbass play calls on their last possession on 2nd and 3rd down.
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Feels like the Rams are the better team, but the 49ers are in their heads and they are fighting themselves, hence McVay making two stupid challenges and now they are out of timeouts. If the Rams lose this game, I put it all on McVay. He has to win this game.
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Feels like the Rams are the better team, but the 49ers are in their heads and they are fighting themselves, hence McVay making two stupid challenges and now they are out of timeouts. If the Rams lose this game, I put it all on McVay. He has to win this game.
Between him and key dropped passes.
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SF's O line is Swiss cheese right now.
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That 2nd half by the Chiefs was awful, esp Mahomes. His presence of mind took a nose-dive. That ending in the 1st half without getting points was just head-scratching. Very happy with the Bengals going to the superbowl.
I don't mind either team winning now between the 9ers and Rams. It's become really tight in the ending and looks like whoever keeps their nerve is going to win.
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SF's O line is Swiss cheese right now.
And their pass defense is non-existent.
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Their front 4 have not got the pressure they did in the 1ST half.
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And that's ball game.
Who had Rams v. Bengals in the SB at the beginning of the year?
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Checkmate.
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Fuck.
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How fitting that it ends with Jimmy G throwing an atrocious pick.
As much as the Titans and Chiefs got to Burrow, neither of their pass rushes are as good as the Rams. Donald, Miller and those boys will eat Burrow alive.
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The stadium announcer is bugging the hell out of me. Pretty sure they hired him from a monster truck rally. I guess that the way things work now, but I just want him to tell me what happened. Screaming everything is just obnoxious.
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The stadium announcer is bugging the hell out of me. Pretty sure they hired him from a monster truck rally. I guess that the way things work now, but I just want him to tell me what happened. Screaming everything is just obnoxious.
He has to be loud to drown out the 49ers fans.
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Can we just talk about how exciting these past two weeks of football have been?
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How fitting that it ends with Jimmy G throwing an atrocious pick.
As much as the Titans and Chiefs got to Burrow, neither of their pass rushes are as good as the Rams. Donald, Miller and those boys will eat Burrow alive.
Nah, he had nothing left but desperation, and he did pretty well to get the ball away to an open receiver. Not his fault the receiver popped it 20 feet straight up.
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The stadium announcer is bugging the hell out of me. Pretty sure they hired him from a monster truck rally. I guess that the way things work now, but I just want him to tell me what happened. Screaming everything is just obnoxious.
He has to be loud to drown out the 49ers fans.
That place was quite red, even with blocking sales outside the greater LA area for a while
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Back to back home team hosting the superbowl. Crazy. And yeah that announcer is super fucking annoying.
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Ah fuck, they're playing the super bowl there? I was just thinking I'd never have to listen to that obnoxious fool ever again.
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As a Bears fan that has watched Stafford toil for years in the black hole of Detroit, I'm very happy for him. He has always been a tough dude who had a terrible supporting cast and front office. Pretty sure he's going to get a ring.
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Can we just talk about how exciting these past two weeks of football have been?
Right?! I cannot recall any year with six games in two weekends like we've had. I honestly don't remember anything about the wild card weekend, but these past two weeks have been incredible.
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I just checked on StubHub, and the least expensive ticket for the SB is $8,700!!
What kind of crazy person would pay that (plus probably another $100 minimum to park a half mile from the stadium and risk your life walking through Inglewood)?
:lol :lol :lol
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I just checked on StubHub, and the least expensive ticket for the SB is $8,700!!
What kind of crazy person would pay that (plus probably another $100 minimum to park a half mile from the stadium and risk your life walking through Inglewood)?
:lol :lol :lol
Is Inglewood bad?
A couple of years ago, we drove around the LA Coliseum and all I could think was where do you park? I'd never go to a night game there that's for sure.
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I just checked on StubHub, and the least expensive ticket for the SB is $8,700!!
What kind of crazy person would pay that (plus probably another $100 minimum to park a half mile from the stadium and risk your life walking through Inglewood)?
:lol :lol :lol
Is Inglewood bad?
A couple of years ago, we drove around the LA Coliseum and all I could think was where do you park? I'd never go to a night game there that's for sure.
It's kinda sketchy. I saw Maiden there at the Forum, and inside the grounds it's fine. The area immediately around it is not, though. I'm sure it's far from the worst places in LA, but it doesn't make you feel particularly safe.
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How fitting that it ends with Jimmy G throwing an atrocious pick.
As much as the Titans and Chiefs got to Burrow, neither of their pass rushes are as good as the Rams. Donald, Miller and those boys will eat Burrow alive.
Nah, he had nothing left but desperation, and he did pretty well to get the ball away to an open receiver. Not his fault the receiver popped it 20 feet straight up.
Nah, it was 3rd down. Take the sack and hope for the best on 4th and super long rather than heaving a bad throw and ending the game right there.
Probably didn't matter, so I won't dig in on it, I just thought it was fitting.
49ers had a great run there the last two months, but the Rams were the better team and finally got past that mental block and overcame them. That felt like the Colts finally beating the Patriots in '06.
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I read that parking was going for $600 for this Rams Vs 49ers game. That's insane.
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I just checked on StubHub, and the least expensive ticket for the SB is $8,700!!
What kind of crazy person would pay that (plus probably another $100 minimum to park a half mile from the stadium and risk your life walking through Inglewood)?
:lol :lol :lol
Is Inglewood bad?
A couple of years ago, we drove around the LA Coliseum and all I could think was where do you park? I'd never go to a night game there that's for sure.
The area around the Coliseum (nearby the 10 and 110 intersection) is always a mess traffic-wise. I'm always a bit nervous when I go to Inglewood for a concert at either The Forum or Youtube Theater. Heck, when Slash announced his solo tour, I was wishing that he played Microsoft Theater rather than Youtube Theater, since I rather park at LA Live since I know someone that can get me validated parking. I don't mind Slash and Co., but driving to Inglewood is so not worth seeing concerts nowadays.
I parked at SoFi Stadium for Foo Fighters at the Forum last August. It took me 75 minutes to get out of the parking lot since it was extremely congested. It also costed me $45.00 and was so not worth it. The most tilting thing about that exit was when I was finally in front of that line to get out of that hellhole, one of those counterfeit t-shirt seller was blocking my way and one car on my right (since there was two lanes, one exit out) went right ahead when that should have been my time to get out. Decided to do what I can to never park in that area again. I hope the sake of the people attending that game that they sorted that part out for the Super Bowl. Probably not.
At least, I'm glad that the Dream Theater show in LA is next Saturday, not in two weeks from now. I rather not be around any of the LA areas around that time.
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Well at least one LA team is playing in the LA super bowl!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal I love that stadium and turf.
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Bengals/Chiefs go into overtime. Chiefs win the coin toss, and the Bengals stop them.
Are we still griping about the overtime rules?
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Seems 10-20k Comcast customers in Oakland missed the game because stray gunfire took out a Comcast cable... Only in America :lol
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Without my team making the playoffs, I have to say these have probably been the most entertaining 2 weekends of playoff football I can remember.
I wouldn't have predicted Cincy vs. LA, but I'm not mad at it. Should be a good game!
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I think Mahomes is starting to believe the Superman hype. His boneheaded plays all seemed to be him thinking he can work miracles. "I'm Patrick Mahomes! I can run backwards 20 yards of 3rd and goal and still throw a touchdown!"
Agreed. I would have thought they had learned their lesson after last year's Super Bowl where they thought they could run their offense as is despite missing two key o-linemen and got clowned, but they apparently did not. They looked like a team that thought couldn't be stopped and then looked befuddled when the Bengals punched back.
I can't say I saw that coming specifically, but generally, that's why the league is catching up. The NFL is not a sandlot. Good defensive coordinators - and there are some great ones out there - can scheme that up so that the "sandlot" isn't really what it looks like and we're seeing that now. This isn't new, this isn't unique to Mahomes. The list of "great athletes" that didn't materialize as long term great QUARTERBACKS is as long as my arm. No, my leg. No, my p****. If they don't start to reign that in, he's going to start to be Michael Vick, or worse, Robert Griffin III, where he starts to get hurt, and can't rely on the athleticism, and doesn't have anything to fall back on. I really do hope that doesn't happen; I don't want to see anyone get hurt. One of the knocks on Brady - and it baffled me, because it WASN'T a knock - was that he didn't take the big hits. Duh. Live to fight another day. But no matter what, you can't be a one trick pony for too long in the NFL.
(Though I have to say, that first touchdown throw was beautiful to watch. If you think watching grown men contort their bodies to be "beautiful". :) )
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Without a horse in the race, I don't think I've ever been so thoroughly entertained by an NFL post season. 1st week was a dud but everything since then has been crazy fun to watch.
I'm with you on that. After the first week, I really didn't have a team to latch onto, but got rewarded with great football games at every turn. I didn't see the Rams/Niners (I was driving to NYC) but other than that, I'd rewatch every game of the playoffs so far.
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Feels like the Rams are the better team, but the 49ers are in their heads and they are fighting themselves, hence McVay making two stupid challenges and now they are out of timeouts. If the Rams lose this game, I put it all on McVay. He has to win this game.
He's maddening that way. He's a good coach, but he makes too many unforced errors to be GREAT, IMO. I don't watch the Rams enough to know, but it seems to me that he gets in his own head and is too clever at times rather than just letting the game unfold.
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Without my team making the playoffs, I have to say these have probably been the most entertaining 2 weekends of playoff football I can remember.
I wouldn't have predicted Cincy vs. LA, but I'm not mad at it. Should be a good game!
I agree with all of this.
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The stadium announcer is bugging the hell out of me. Pretty sure they hired him from a monster truck rally. I guess that the way things work now, but I just want him to tell me what happened. Screaming everything is just obnoxious.
I listened to the ESPN Xtra broadcast, and I guess it was the Rams' home announcers, because as the clock counted down, you'd think that the Rams just cured cancer. I don't know who it was but he was announcing like Luke just blew up the Death Star. He called Aaron Donald the greatest defensive player to ever play the game (okay; he's ONE OF the greatest, but to ignore Lawrence Taylor is just ridiculous) and he called SoFi stadium the greatest stadium ever built. Al Michaels called one of the greatest upsets in sports history and didn't use that much hyperbole.
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Bengals/Chiefs go into overtime. Chiefs win the coin toss, and the Bengals stop them.
Are we still griping about the overtime rules?
Yes.
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I just checked on StubHub, and the least expensive ticket for the SB is $8,700!!
What kind of crazy person would pay that (plus probably another $100 minimum to park a half mile from the stadium and risk your life walking through Inglewood)?
:lol :lol :lol
Is Inglewood bad?
A couple of years ago, we drove around the LA Coliseum and all I could think was where do you park? I'd never go to a night game there that's for sure.
It's kinda sketchy. I saw Maiden there at the Forum, and inside the grounds it's fine. The area immediately around it is not, though. I'm sure it's far from the worst places in LA, but it doesn't make you feel particularly safe.
It's a long time ago now ('92) but I was living in Burbank and took a Saturday to drive around places I had heard about and never seen. I was driving around the LA Coliseum late afternoon and saw a car drive up on the sidewalk trying to hit someone walking down the street. I didn't hang around much longer after that.
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Patriots gone - check
Brady gone - check
Chiefs gone - check
49ers gone - check
Thank you.
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Patriots gone - check
Brady gone - check
Chiefs gone - check
49ers gone - check
Thank you.
One guy has held NFL fans hostage for 2 decades. LOL
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I just checked on StubHub, and the least expensive ticket for the SB is $8,700!!
What kind of crazy person would pay that (plus probably another $100 minimum to park a half mile from the stadium and risk your life walking through Inglewood)?
:lol :lol :lol
Is Inglewood bad?
A couple of years ago, we drove around the LA Coliseum and all I could think was where do you park? I'd never go to a night game there that's for sure.
Inglewood is sketchy. Back in the '80s, I went to lots of concerts at the Forum. Occasionally, we'd want to stop for food afterwards, and this was before everything was open 24 hours or until 2am. I can recall pulling into a Carl's Jr. parking lot and not being all that comfortable. But at least the Forum always had adequate parking. The Coliseum is also in a shit neighborhood (although it's improved in the last 20 years or so), but yeah...the lack of parking is ridiculous. My GF and I went to see the Stones, GNR and Living Color back in '89 or so. We ended up parking in some guy's back yard. The guy who directed us in from the street said the guy in the back would take our money, but that didn't happen, so we actually didn't pay. We weren't entirely sure that the car would be there when we got back, but it was. Wouldn't do that in a million years now.
At least, I'm glad that the Dream Theater show in LA is next Saturday, not in two weeks from now. I rather not be around any of the LA areas around that time.
Good point. Are there any Super Bowl Experience events at the Convention Center? Looks like the Knicks are playing the Lakers at Staples, so I imagine LA Live will be hopping.
Bengals/Chiefs go into overtime. Chiefs win the coin toss, and the Bengals stop them.
Are we still griping about the overtime rules?
Yes, because it's a bad rule. A single outcome didn't make it that way, and a single outcome doesn't change it.
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^^ A buttload of stuff is happening at LA Live and the Crypt House (yes, that will be my nickname for that building moving forward) that Super Bowl weekend. Per Stubhub.
THU
FEB 10, 2022
Super Bowl Music Festival: Halsey and Machine Gun Kelly Tickets
8:00 PM - Crypto.com Arena, Los Angeles, CA, US
THU
FEB 10, 2022
Super Bowl Experience Tickets
TBD - Los Angeles Convention Center, Los Angeles, CA, US
FRI
FEB 11, 2022
Super Bowl Experience Tickets
TBD - Los Angeles Convention Center, Los Angeles, CA, US
FRI
FEB 11, 2022
Super Bowl Music Festival: Blake Shelton and Gwen Stefani Tickets
8:00 PM - Crypto.com Arena, Los Angeles, CA, US
SAT
FEB 12, 2022
Super Bowl Music Festival: Green Day and Miley Cyrus Tickets
8:00 PM - Crypto.com Arena, Los Angeles, CA, US
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What was Chiefs game plan for that 2nd half? Felt like I was watching the Cowboys. :lol
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^^ A buttload of stuff is happening at LA Live and the Crypt House (yes, that will be my nickname for that building moving forward) that weekend. Per Stubhub.
All the stuff you mentioned is the week after the DT show, but I just answered my own question. SB Experience at the Convention Center on Feb. 5 until 10pm - https://www.nfl.com/super-bowl/event-info/event-overview
Between that and the Knicks at Lakers, I'm thinking the Metro will be the way to go.
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Along with the LA stadium announcer being super loud, the CBS half time report was drowned by the house music. LMAO, I never watch half time reports but this was hilarious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEnj5X_5PeE&ab_channel=SportsStories (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEnj5X_5PeE&ab_channel=SportsStories)
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^^ A buttload of stuff is happening at LA Live and the Crypt House (yes, that will be my nickname for that building moving forward) that weekend. Per Stubhub.
All the stuff you mentioned is the week after the DT show, but I just answered my own question. SB Experience at the Convention Center on Feb. 5 until 10pm - https://www.nfl.com/super-bowl/event-info/event-overview
Between that and the Knicks at Lakers, I'm thinking the Metro will be the way to go.
Oh, I see. It's all three events at the same evening. Awww, s***. All right, well, I guess I got to be there earlier than I thought.
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:lol So that happened. Yeah you'd have a super tough time finding a post by me saying the Chiefs were going to win Sunday or were never going to lose a game again. The reality is (as math majors would know concerning sequential probability) adding a 17th game and removing the bye for the 2nd seed will just make it that much harder to repeat or threepeat or whatever.
A fascinating psychological study could be done though about the source of the rage hard-ons. I mean did Wilt's fans feel that way when Kareem came along, or Kareem's supporters when Magic/Bird happened or their supporters when MJ hit the scene? Do Jordan's fans rage in the night when people call LeBron the goat?
I mean if I point out that you can go to profootballreference.com and see that Brady is 17th all-time in post-season passer rating, a fair bit lower than his regular-season rating, does the rage stem from the fact that the data exists or that I pointed it out? He and Mahomes both had 2 turnovers that cost their team the game, it can happen to anyone in the playoffs. No one, certainly not me, will ever say with a straight face that so-and-so will NEVER fail in the playoffs.
Stafford sure was money again though. For 3 quarters it looked for sure like Jimmy G had inherited the horseshoe (Rams missing field goals, dropping TD passes, getting a tipped-ball interception) but Stafford was awesome in the comeback. Can't wait to root for him against the Bungles.
Enjoy the Super Bowl everyone.
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:lol So that happened. Yeah you'd have a super tough time finding a post by me saying the Chiefs were going to win Sunday or were never going to lose a game again. The reality is (as math majors would know concerning sequential probability) adding a 17th game and removing the bye for the 2nd seed will just make it that much harder to repeat or threepeat or whatever.
A fascinating psychological study could be done though about the source of the rage hard-ons. I mean did Wilt's fans feel that way when Kareem came along, or Kareem's supporters when Magic/Bird happened or their supporters when MJ hit the scene? Do Jordan's fans rage in the night when people call LeBron the goat?
I mean if I point out that you can go to profootballreference.com and see that Brady is 17th all-time in post-season passer rating, a fair bit lower than his regular-season rating, does the rage stem from the fact that the data exists or that I pointed it out? He and Mahomes both had 2 turnovers that cost their team the game, it can happen to anyone in the playoffs. No one, certainly not me, will ever say with a straight face that so-and-so will NEVER fail in the playoffs.
Stafford sure was money again though. For 3 quarters it looked for sure like Jimmy G had inherited the horseshoe (Rams missing field goals, dropping TD passes, getting a tipped-ball interception) but Stafford was awesome in the comeback. Can't wait to root for him against the Bungles.
Enjoy the Super Bowl everyone.
What the hell are you on about?
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:lol So that happened. Yeah you'd have a super tough time finding a post by me saying the Chiefs were going to win Sunday or were never going to lose a game again. The reality is (as math majors would know concerning sequential probability) adding a 17th game and removing the bye for the 2nd seed will just make it that much harder to repeat or threepeat or whatever.
A fascinating psychological study could be done though about the source of the rage hard-ons. I mean did Wilt's fans feel that way when Kareem came along, or Kareem's supporters when Magic/Bird happened or their supporters when MJ hit the scene? Do Jordan's fans rage in the night when people call LeBron the goat?
I mean if I point out that you can go to profootballreference.com and see that Brady is 17th all-time in post-season passer rating, a fair bit lower than his regular-season rating, does the rage stem from the fact that the data exists or that I pointed it out? He and Mahomes both had 2 turnovers that cost their team the game, it can happen to anyone in the playoffs. No one, certainly not me, will ever say with a straight face that so-and-so will NEVER fail in the playoffs.
Stafford sure was money again though. For 3 quarters it looked for sure like Jimmy G had inherited the horseshoe (Rams missing field goals, dropping TD passes, getting a tipped-ball interception) but Stafford was awesome in the comeback. Can't wait to root for him against the Bungles.
Enjoy the Super Bowl everyone.
The rage (to the extent that any of us are raging, at least) stems from the fact that it's premature. My recollection is that there was no GOAT talk about Brady until 10 or so years into his career. It wasn't until he started winning SBs again in the 2010's that the talk became serious. Montana was still The Man for a lot of Brady's career, and Peyton for even longer until he retired and TB kept winning. Mahomes has played 4 seasons, and he was anointed the second coming after 3. Maybe he turns out to be the king, though I wouldn't bet on it. Let him earn it, though. And frankly, as we saw yesterday, the hype isn't doing him any favors.
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The Rams are considered the visiting team in their own stadium for the SB. :lol
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The Rams are considered the visiting team in their own stadium for the SB. :lol
Weren't they kind of the visiting team for the NFC CG? ;D
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The Rams are considered the visiting team in their own stadium for the SB. :lol
Weren't they kind of the visiting team for the NFC CG? ;D
Yeah, fan wise. Looked like way more 9er fans.
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The Rams are considered the visiting team in their own stadium for the SB. :lol
I was thinking about that yesterday, hoping it might effect who announces the game at the stadium. It seems that obnoxious feller works specifically for the Rams, as the Chargers have some other guy. I have no idea how the matter of P.A. announcer selection is determined, and up until about 18 hours ago I never considered that I could possibly care about it. Now I'm definitely intrigued. :lol
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I'm with you; sometimes the inner workings of the most mundane things are in and of themselves fascinating.
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Here's a weird fact that I thought about.
At Super Bowl 44, the Saints won their 1st SB
4 years later was the next time someone won their first SB with the Seahawks winning 48.
4 years later was the next time someone won their first SB with the Eagles winning 52.
4 years later, the Bengals have a chance to win their first at SB56
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I think Mahomes is starting to believe the Superman hype. His boneheaded plays all seemed to be him thinking he can work miracles. "I'm Patrick Mahomes! I can run backwards 20 yards of 3rd and goal and still throw a touchdown!"
Agreed. I would have thought they had learned their lesson after last year's Super Bowl where they thought they could run their offense as is despite missing two key o-linemen and got clowned, but they apparently did not. They looked like a team that thought couldn't be stopped and then looked befuddled when the Bengals punched back.
I can't say I saw that coming specifically, but generally, that's why the league is catching up. The NFL is not a sandlot. Good defensive coordinators - and there are some great ones out there - can scheme that up so that the "sandlot" isn't really what it looks like and we're seeing that now. This isn't new, this isn't unique to Mahomes. The list of "great athletes" that didn't materialize as long term great QUARTERBACKS is as long as my arm. No, my leg. No, my p****. If they don't start to reign that in, he's going to start to be Michael Vick, or worse, Robert Griffin III, where he starts to get hurt, and can't rely on the athleticism, and doesn't have anything to fall back on. I really do hope that doesn't happen; I don't want to see anyone get hurt. One of the knocks on Brady - and it baffled me, because it WASN'T a knock - was that he didn't take the big hits. Duh. Live to fight another day. But no matter what, you can't be a one trick pony for too long in the NFL.
(Though I have to say, that first touchdown throw was beautiful to watch. If you think watching grown men contort their bodies to be "beautiful". :) )
I think I said it yesterday, but the Chiefs arrogance was their undoing again. Mark Schlereth was nice and called it hubris today, but it's arrogance. Schlereth said the Bengals were basically daring the Chiefs to run it down their throats, but the Chiefs just kept throwing and throwing, almost like "if we are going to win it, we are going to win it OUR way, which is throwing all day and making highlight reel throws and catches." That stuff is fun, but winning is more important. And the thing is, the Chiefs championship window may not be as open going forward as there is no way they can keep paying all of those guys, not to mention that the AFC is loaded with young QBs who either are great already or have major potential to be great. The NFC was more top heavy this year, but the AFC is gonna be pretty loaded once some of those young QBs get even better and get better teams around them. Herbert will be scary if the Chargers get a run stopper or two and their head coach stops being an analytics nerd.
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The Rams are considered the visiting team in their own stadium for the SB. :lol
Weren't they kind of the visiting team for the NFC CG? ;D
Yeah, fan wise. Looked like way more 9er fans.
Local radio I was listening to had it at 65% Niner fans.
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Bengals/Chiefs go into overtime. Chiefs win the coin toss, and the Bengals stop them.
Are we still griping about the overtime rules?
Defense doesn't do their job: OT rules suck.
Defense does their job: great defense.
If the Bengals did it, so can anyone else. Play better.
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Patriots gone - check
Brady gone - check
Chiefs gone - check
49ers gone - check
Thank you.
:metal :metal :metal
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I think Mahomes is starting to believe the Superman hype. His boneheaded plays all seemed to be him thinking he can work miracles. "I'm Patrick Mahomes! I can run backwards 20 yards of 3rd and goal and still throw a touchdown!"
Agreed. I would have thought they had learned their lesson after last year's Super Bowl where they thought they could run their offense as is despite missing two key o-linemen and got clowned, but they apparently did not. They looked like a team that thought couldn't be stopped and then looked befuddled when the Bengals punched back.
I can't say I saw that coming specifically, but generally, that's why the league is catching up. The NFL is not a sandlot. Good defensive coordinators - and there are some great ones out there - can scheme that up so that the "sandlot" isn't really what it looks like and we're seeing that now. This isn't new, this isn't unique to Mahomes. The list of "great athletes" that didn't materialize as long term great QUARTERBACKS is as long as my arm. No, my leg. No, my p****. If they don't start to reign that in, he's going to start to be Michael Vick, or worse, Robert Griffin III, where he starts to get hurt, and can't rely on the athleticism, and doesn't have anything to fall back on. I really do hope that doesn't happen; I don't want to see anyone get hurt. One of the knocks on Brady - and it baffled me, because it WASN'T a knock - was that he didn't take the big hits. Duh. Live to fight another day. But no matter what, you can't be a one trick pony for too long in the NFL.
(Though I have to say, that first touchdown throw was beautiful to watch. If you think watching grown men contort their bodies to be "beautiful". :) )
I think I said it yesterday, but the Chiefs arrogance was their undoing again. Mark Schlereth was nice and called it hubris today, but it's arrogance. Schlereth said the Bengals were basically daring the Chiefs to run it down their throats, but the Chiefs just kept throwing and throwing, almost like "if we are going to win it, we are going to win it OUR way, which is throwing all day and making highlight reel throws and catches." That stuff is fun, but winning is more important. And the thing is, the Chiefs championship window may not be as open going forward as there is no way they can keep paying all of those guys, not to mention that the AFC is loaded with young QBs who either are great already or have major potential to be great. The NFC was more top heavy this year, but the AFC is gonna be pretty loaded once some of those young QBs get even better and get better teams around them. Herbert will be scary if the Chargers get a run stopper or two and their head coach stops being an analytics nerd.
The AFC has a chance to be fun next year. Bengals are a team. Cleveland can't be counted out. If Lamar can stay healthy, the Ravens are always a threat. Bills are very good, and hungry (I think that loss is going to galvanize them). Titans as well. Pats, good. Chargers, good. I think McDaniel and Carr are going to be a force to be reckoned with. Jury's out on Miami or Denver, but the Colts could be good too. That's a lot of competitive teams.
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Why are the Rams the devil’s team? Beyond Stan Kroenke, I don’t understand the hate for them.
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Why are the Rams the devil’s team? Beyond Stan Kroenke, I don’t understand the hate for them.
The dude uses the thread titles for his own designs. Guess that's a perk of starting the thread.
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So everyone's noticed that Joe Burrow is WAY cockier and mouthier than any of these other young guns. For example, after his first playoff win "get used to it". Last year saying to a referee "Someday when I'm the GOAT I'm going to get that call". None of the other young guns in the league have run their mouths like that. So I'm genuinely curious, how the heck has Burrow escaped the wrath of the goat gate-keepers??
To summarize:
Mahomes: "Brady is the goat"
Burrow: "I'm going to be the goat"
Brady fanatics: "We like Burrow but not Mahomes"
That's next-level psycho right there.
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I think it's because the Bengals were also-rans for life. Let Burrow turn them into a consistent winner and people will start hating him. It's inevitable.
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Brady's retirement.... officially official.
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So everyone's noticed that Joe Burrow is WAY cockier and mouthier than any of these other young guns. For example, after his first playoff win "get used to it". Last year saying to a referee "Someday when I'm the GOAT I'm going to get that call". None of the other young guns in the league have run their mouths like that. So I'm genuinely curious, how the heck has Burrow escaped the wrath of the goat gate-keepers??
To summarize:
Mahomes: "Brady is the goat"
Burrow: "I'm going to be the goat"
Brady fanatics: "We like Burrow but not Mahomes"
That's next-level psycho right there.
Who exactly are you talking about? I've not heard anything even remotely like what you're saying.
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Brady's retirement.... officially official.
Yup. Just saw the twitter post. What a career. Glad to be there for 20 years cheering.
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Brady's retirement.... officially official.
I just finished listening to his podcast from yesterday night where he says he's still taking it day by day and hasn't decided. I guess he just wanted to get it over with now.
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I don't know if it will be in the documentary, but I feel like the behind the scenes on this might be fascinating.
So he didn't do the "one day contract" thing and retire a Patriot?
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Bengals/Chiefs go into overtime. Chiefs win the coin toss, and the Bengals stop them.
Are we still griping about the overtime rules?
Defense doesn't do their job: OT rules suck.
Defense does their job: great defense.
If the Bengals did it, so can anyone else. Play better.
Tyreek Hill literally had the ball bounce off his hands, the defense didn’t cause that.
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I don't know if it will be in the documentary, but I feel like the behind the scenes on this might be fascinating.
So he didn't do the "one day contract" thing and retire a Patriot?
There are odd contract implications at work right now. To get his signing bonus (about 14m) from 2021 he has to be on Tampa's roster on the 4th. His official, "technical" retirement probably won't be until Fri or Sat. Or, I suppose it's possible he foregoes that 14m, out of kindness and human decency. Stranger things been known to happen, I suppose.
Also, ceremonial retirements can happen at any time, assuming the player is no longer under another contract.
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Bengals/Chiefs go into overtime. Chiefs win the coin toss, and the Bengals stop them.
Are we still griping about the overtime rules?
Defense doesn't do their job: OT rules suck.
Defense does their job: great defense.
If the Bengals did it, so can anyone else. Play better.
Tyreek Hill literally had the ball bounce off his hands, the defense didn’t cause that.
He was too busy giving the peace sign to the defender.
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I don't know if it will be in the documentary, but I feel like the behind the scenes on this might be fascinating.
So he didn't do the "one day contract" thing and retire a Patriot?
There are odd contract implications at work right now. To get his signing bonus (about 14m) from 2021 he has to be on Tampa's roster on the 4th. His official, "technical" retirement probably won't be until Fri or Sat. Or, I suppose it's possible he foregoes that 14m, out of kindness and human decency. Stranger things been known to happen, I suppose.
Also, ceremonial retirements can happen at any time, assuming the player is no longer under another contract.
I believe there is some misunderstanding of this bonus payment that's happening on Feb 4th. From what I read the deferred bonus from last year is going to be paid regardless of him being on the roster or not. It won't or shouldn't be a factor in the retirement.
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So everyone's noticed that Joe Burrow is WAY cockier and mouthier than any of these other young guns. For example, after his first playoff win "get used to it". Last year saying to a referee "Someday when I'm the GOAT I'm going to get that call". None of the other young guns in the league have run their mouths like that. So I'm genuinely curious, how the heck has Burrow escaped the wrath of the goat gate-keepers??
To summarize:
Mahomes: "Brady is the goat"
Burrow: "I'm going to be the goat"
Brady fanatics: "We like Burrow but not Mahomes"
That's next-level psycho right there.
Talking shit isn't necessarily the same as being cocky.
He's definitely super confident, both in himself and in his team. But no successful QB isn't confident (and yes, a little cocky).
Also (assuming the quote is accurate), saying "I'm going to be the GOAT" is aspirational. Saying "I am currently the GOAT" is cocky (and delusional, unless you're Brady).
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Bengals/Chiefs go into overtime. Chiefs win the coin toss, and the Bengals stop them.
Are we still griping about the overtime rules?
Defense doesn't do their job: OT rules suck.
Defense does their job: great defense.
If the Bengals did it, so can anyone else. Play better.
Tyreek Hill literally had the ball bounce off his hands, the defense didn’t cause that.
CBS showed 2 other angles. The DB got a hand in there.
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So everyone's noticed that Joe Burrow is WAY cockier and mouthier than any of these other young guns. For example, after his first playoff win "get used to it". Last year saying to a referee "Someday when I'm the GOAT I'm going to get that call". None of the other young guns in the league have run their mouths like that. So I'm genuinely curious, how the heck has Burrow escaped the wrath of the goat gate-keepers??
To summarize:
Mahomes: "Brady is the goat"
Burrow: "I'm going to be the goat"
Brady fanatics: "We like Burrow but not Mahomes"
That's next-level psycho right there.
Talking shit isn't necessarily the same as being cocky.
He's definitely super confident, both in himself and in his team. But no successful QB isn't confident (and yes, a little cocky).
Also (assuming the quote is accurate), saying "I'm going to be the GOAT" is aspirational. Saying "I am currently the GOAT" is cocky (and delusional, unless you're Brady).
When Jim Nantz and Tony Romo start fellating him on air, calling him Superman, and asking "what time is your flight?" after the FIRST DRIVE in a game he later loses, THEN I'll have beef with Joe Burrow. In the meantime, if this is how he inspires his team to play at the top of their games, so be it. Not my style, necessarily (I'm more of a Brady, shut up and do your job kind of guy).
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Some thoughts on New England for those of us who care. I said two years ago that losing Brady won't hurt as much as the turnover in the coaching and management ranks. That turnover continues with JMD and Ivan Fears moving on. I think I was correct given what we've seen in the last two years. Sloppy tackling. Stupid penalties. Poor special teams play. It seems to be bad coaching at the lower levels. Guys like Scarnecchia and Fears ran a tight ship and were able to keep the kids in line, and I think having them replaced with younger coaches, usually coming from within, has resulted in a real lapse in discipline. It's hard to maintain a culture during a diaspora.
That said, with numerous former Patriots coaches flaming out elsewhere, it's actually quite possible to improve the situation this year. I've already said I'd like to see Joe Judge come back and get the ST back in shape. Bill O'Brien will do fine as OC, even if he's not as creative as JMD. Hoyer is already the de facto QB coach. There's also an influx of former players from the glory years coming back, and they'll do well to incorporate the same mentality from that era. I've seen Keven Faulk mentioned as RB coach. Troy Brown is already there as WR coach. Jerod Mayo with the linebackers. The there's the whole Brian Flores thing. He should be coaching somewhere, but he's not and the window is closing. I'll be curious to see if he'd spend a year or two back in NE waiting for his next opportunity. It'll be interesting to see what they do, and I think what they do may be just as important as the development of Mac Jones to the long term future of the franchise.
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So everyone's noticed that Joe Burrow is WAY cockier and mouthier than any of these other young guns. For example, after his first playoff win "get used to it". Last year saying to a referee "Someday when I'm the GOAT I'm going to get that call". None of the other young guns in the league have run their mouths like that. So I'm genuinely curious, how the heck has Burrow escaped the wrath of the goat gate-keepers??
To summarize:
Mahomes: "Brady is the goat"
Burrow: "I'm going to be the goat"
Brady fanatics: "We like Burrow but not Mahomes"
That's next-level psycho right there.
Talking shit isn't necessarily the same as being cocky.
He's definitely super confident, both in himself and in his team. But no successful QB isn't confident (and yes, a little cocky).
Also (assuming the quote is accurate), saying "I'm going to be the GOAT" is aspirational. Saying "I am currently the GOAT" is cocky (and delusional, unless you're Brady).
Also good points. But both can (and do) still rub people the wrong way. And sometimes it's a fine line between the two.
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El Barto. Big talk on Radio in N.E. is that there was no true Defensive Coordinator in N.E that let to some issues on D towards the end of the season. Most speculated BB took over calling the D for a bit mid season then gave the play calling reigns to his son. So the D felt pulled in 2 directions with Mayo and Mullet boy.
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El Barto. Big talk on Radio in N.E. is that there was no true Defensive Coordinator in N.E that let to some issues on D towards the end of the season. Most speculated BB took over calling the D for a bit mid season then gave the play calling reigns to his son. So the D felt pulled in 2 directions with Mayo and Mullet boy.
That may well be true, but that's often been how it works in NE. Plenty of seasons without a DC and they've typically made it work. Also, didn't SB get the credit for shutting down TB12?
And in reality, it wasn't the defensive playcalling that was the problem. It was lousy execution and poor discipline. That's not on the DC, but on the position coaches.
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El Barto. Big talk on Radio in N.E. is that there was no true Defensive Coordinator in N.E that let to some issues on D towards the end of the season. Most speculated BB took over calling the D for a bit mid season then gave the play calling reigns to his son. So the D felt pulled in 2 directions with Mayo and Mullet boy.
That may well be true, but that's often been how it works in NE. Plenty of seasons without a DC and they've typically made it work. Also, didn't SB get the credit for shutting down TB12?
And in reality, it wasn't the defensive playcalling that was the problem. It was lousy execution and poor discipline. That's not on the DC, but on the position coaches.
Rumors from some of the writers that players weren't all in with the 2 man set up and lead to the decline in play. It all started after the bye week. It was more of a buy in which led to the poor play. Not the play calling.
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The stadium announcer is bugging the hell out of me. Pretty sure they hired him from a monster truck rally. I guess that the way things work now, but I just want him to tell me what happened. Screaming everything is just obnoxious.
Fun fact: I actually know the "Voice of the Rams." His name is Sam Lagana. We're not tight buddies or anything, but we definitely know each other and have crossed paths for many years.
Funny fact: I didn't actually know he was doing the Rams gig until I attended the Rams vs Titans game a few months ago. I guess he's been doing it since the Rams came back to LA. But since I'd never been to SoFi, I didn't know.
I know him from athletics/education work elsewhere in LA. Was a kick to hear him do the whole hype-schtick at deafening sound levels- it's not how I've ever heard him before. He obviously doesn't normally talk like that, and I'm guessing it's a lot like when you're the friend of an actor and you see them playing a role that's very different than how you know them.
For what it's the worth, I too find the stadium WWE-screaming thing to be CRAZY annoying. It's not just Sam either- this is the way PA announcing everywhere goes these days. Putting on my old fogey hat, I think they're all wrong. Chill out. Wanna know how it's done? Learn from the master: Lakers public address announcer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Tanter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Tanter). He's kinda the Vin Scully of PA announcing.
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For what it's the worth, I too find the stadium WWE-screaming thing to be CRAZY annoying. It's not just Sam either- this is the way PA announcing everywhere goes these days. Putting on my old fogey hat, I think they're all wrong. Chill out. Wanna know how it's done? Learn from the master: Lakers public address announcer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Tanter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Tanter). He's kinda the Vin Scully of PA announcing.
Give me David Courtney any day. Unfortunately, he died at 54, but at least he got to announce the Stanley Cup being presented to the Kings a few months earlier. Either way, I absolutely agree with the first part of this.
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So Brady did not even mention the Patriots, Kraft, or Belichick in his farewell message. Very strange and interesting, and I'm sure will be the subject of much discussion over the next few days/weeks.
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Broncos are up for sale. Let's pull together the 4 billion plus it's gonna cost so we can bring the classic helmets back.
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So Brady did not even mention the Patriots, Kraft, or Belichick in his farewell message. Very strange and interesting, and I'm sure will be the subject of much discussion over the next few days/weeks.
I have a feeling he’s waiting to sign his inevitable one day contract to say his full thanks to the Patriots.
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So Brady did not even mention the Patriots, Kraft, or Belichick in his farewell message. Very strange and interesting, and I'm sure will be the subject of much discussion over the next few days/weeks.
I think he already did his farewell to the Pats when he first left plus he did thank them in a later tweet.
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So Brady did not even mention the Patriots, Kraft, or Belichick in his farewell message. Very strange and interesting, and I'm sure will be the subject of much discussion over the next few days/weeks.
Brady responded to Kraft's post and to the fans an hour later.
So Brady did not even mention the Patriots, Kraft, or Belichick in his farewell message. Very strange and interesting, and I'm sure will be the subject of much discussion over the next few days/weeks.
I have a feeling he’s waiting to sign his inevitable one day contract to say his full thanks to the Patriots.
That's the rumor. So we'll see.
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So Brady did not even mention the Patriots, Kraft, or Belichick in his farewell message. Very strange and interesting, and I'm sure will be the subject of much discussion over the next few days/weeks.
Brady responded to Kraft's post and to the fans an hour later.
That's not a response.
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Christ, people just can't get by without drama anymore. There must always be some point of contention, and we'll make one up when need be. This is about the biggest non-story I've seen in ages. I don't even like the guy all that much, and I don't see any slight in his announcement. The problem is that we've got a culture that thrives on drama, and an industry that profits by providing it. Thus dipshits like Scott Zolak who makes his living saying stupid shit so that people will disagree with him.
Scott Zolak Says Tom Brady’s Omission Of Patriots In Retirement Announcement Was ‘Cold,’ ‘Calculated’ (https://boston.cbslocal.com/2022/02/01/tom-brady-retirement-985-the-sports-hub-reaction-new-england-patriots-nfl/)
Brady, Belichick, and Kraft have all made their feelings for each other very well known. Their not reemphasizing them at every turning point is not news.
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Christ, people just can't get by without drama anymore. There must always be some point of contention, and we'll make one up when need be. This is about the biggest non-story I've seen in ages. I don't even like the guy all that much, and I don't see any slight in his announcement. The problem is that we've got a culture that thrives on drama, and an industry that profits by providing it. Thus dipshits like Scott Zolak who makes his living saying stupid shit so that people will disagree with him.
Scott Zolak Says Tom Brady’s Omission Of Patriots In Retirement Announcement Was ‘Cold,’ ‘Calculated’ (https://boston.cbslocal.com/2022/02/01/tom-brady-retirement-985-the-sports-hub-reaction-new-england-patriots-nfl/)
Brady, Belichick, and Kraft have all made their feelings for each other very well known. Their not reemphasizing them at every turning point is not news.
Sports talk radio.
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So Brady did not even mention the Patriots, Kraft, or Belichick in his farewell message. Very strange and interesting, and I'm sure will be the subject of much discussion over the next few days/weeks.
Brady responded to Kraft's post and to the fans an hour later.
That's not a response.
WUT?
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So Brady did not even mention the Patriots, Kraft, or Belichick in his farewell message. Very strange and interesting, and I'm sure will be the subject of much discussion over the next few days/weeks.
Brady responded to Kraft's post and to the fans an hour later.
That's not a response.
That's what "responded" means.
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Christ, people just can't get by without drama anymore. There must always be some point of contention, and we'll make one up when need be. This is about the biggest non-story I've seen in ages. I don't even like the guy all that much, and I don't see any slight in his announcement. The problem is that we've got a culture that thrives on drama, and an industry that profits by providing it. Thus dipshits like Scott Zolak who makes his living saying stupid shit so that people will disagree with him.
Scott Zolak Says Tom Brady’s Omission Of Patriots In Retirement Announcement Was ‘Cold,’ ‘Calculated’ (https://boston.cbslocal.com/2022/02/01/tom-brady-retirement-985-the-sports-hub-reaction-new-england-patriots-nfl/)
Brady, Belichick, and Kraft have all made their feelings for each other very well known. Their not reemphasizing them at every turning point is not news.
Come on man. The story and headline are a little extreme, sure. But the complete omission of anything regarding the Pats, BB, Kraft, Pats fans, etc., seems to at least be a little significant, and less than an oversight.
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Come on man.
How ironic.
The story and headline are a little extreme, sure. But the complete omission of anything regarding the Pats, BB, Kraft, Pats fans, etc., seems to at least be a little significant, and less than an oversight.
It's all been said, and it will all be said again.
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Come on man.
How ironic.
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The story and headline are a little extreme, sure. But the complete omission of anything regarding the Pats, BB, Kraft, Pats fans, etc., seems to at least be a little significant, and less than an oversight.
It's all been said, and it will all be said again.
Sure, maybe. But since this hasn't happened yet, TB leaves the door open to that kind of speculation.
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:lol Don't think I'm alone when saying I couldn't care less who Brady mentions in his retirement announcement. :dunno:
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Come on man.
How ironic.
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I don't know who, but I believe "come on, man!" is a common phrase of some sports talking head person. Whoever that person is is very likely taking one side or the other on Retiremengate just to keep himself relevant.
In any case, here's one DA66 and I actually agree on. This is beyond trivial.
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Sorry, but for Brady to neglect any mention of anything New England related in his retirement statement is not a sports radio invented issue. Whether one thinks it's trivial, or one is really butt hurt about it, it's more than a notable omission.
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Sorry, but for Brady to neglect any mention of anything New England related in his retirement statement is not a sports radio invented issue. Whether one thinks it's trivial, or one is really butt hurt about it, it's more than a notable omission.
Shouldn't he be? He was in his 20th year after winning his 6th superbowl fighting for a contract that had incentives?! So he had enough, went to the owner and said, I'll take this one year contract if I become a free agent the next year and you can't franchise him.
I'd be bitter too. After they traded Garoppalo, they should have been all in with Brady but weren't.
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Sorry, but for Brady to neglect any mention of anything New England related in his retirement statement is not a sports radio invented issue. Whether one thinks it's trivial, or one is really butt hurt about it, it's more than a notable omission.
Alright. What does it mean, then? Does he secretly (or openly) hate the Patriots? Is he childishly trying to dis Belichick? Everybody seems to be of the opinion that this was deliberate, or cold and calculated according to Zolak. Alright. What's the message? "Fuck the Patriots?"
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Zo is friends with Brady. I think Brady does hold a grudge to BB. Might be a little upset. In the end you'll know they will all be hugging him in 5 years when he gets into the HOF.
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The stuff earlier in the week about Brady just trying to "one-up" Ben Roethlisberger again was more made-up. And I heard a Steelers fan say that out-loud at the coffee machine this morning :lol
I just think it's interesting. I just think it says a lot, both the means and the content.
I re-watched Peyton Manning's Retirement Speech today and, wow... it was emotional, introspective, reverent... covered all the bases without watering it down with personal plugs about his future enterprises. Tom's was just fine, but definitely has more of the Bilbo Baggins 111th birthday feel to it.
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I think Tom had it set up to have his answer in his last episode and was forced to give it earlier than he wanted because of the leaks which feels like from ESPN.
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Oh boy.
Flores says that Stephen Ross, the owner of the Miami Dolphins, offered to pay him $100,000 for every loss during 2019 season to help the team get a better draft spot. Was mad when they kept winning.
https://www.totalprosports.com/2022/02/01/breaking-brian-flores-suing-nfl-has-texts-from-bill-belichick-pics/
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:lolpalm:
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Oh boy.
Flores says that Stephen Ross, the owner of the Miami Dolphins, offered to pay him $100,000 for every loss during 2019 season to help the team get a better draft spot. Was mad when they kept winning.
https://www.totalprosports.com/2022/02/01/breaking-brian-flores-suing-nfl-has-texts-from-bill-belichick-pics/
I just heard this. He also said he had an interview with the Giants after they offered the job to Daboll.
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Sorry, but for Brady to neglect any mention of anything New England related in his retirement statement is not a sports radio invented issue. Whether one thinks it's trivial, or one is really butt hurt about it, it's more than a notable omission.
Alright. What does it mean, then? Does he secretly (or openly) hate the Patriots? Is he childishly trying to dis Belichick? Everybody seems to be of the opinion that this was deliberate, or cold and calculated according to Zolak. Alright. What's the message? "Fuck the Patriots?"
Yeah, pretty much. :lol
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Oh boy.
Flores says that Stephen Ross, the owner of the Miami Dolphins, offered to pay him $100,000 for every loss during 2019 season to help the team get a better draft spot. Was mad when they kept winning.
https://www.totalprosports.com/2022/02/01/breaking-brian-flores-suing-nfl-has-texts-from-bill-belichick-pics/ (https://www.totalprosports.com/2022/02/01/breaking-brian-flores-suing-nfl-has-texts-from-bill-belichick-pics/)
I just heard this. He also said he had an interview with the Giants after they offered the job to Daboll.
The funniest thing to read was Bill Bellichick admitting he fucked up by congratulating Brian Flores by text thinking he was Brian Daboll on getting the Giants Head Coach job.
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Oh boy.
Flores says that Stephen Ross, the owner of the Miami Dolphins, offered to pay him $100,000 for every loss during 2019 season to help the team get a better draft spot. Was mad when they kept winning.
https://www.totalprosports.com/2022/02/01/breaking-brian-flores-suing-nfl-has-texts-from-bill-belichick-pics/ (https://www.totalprosports.com/2022/02/01/breaking-brian-flores-suing-nfl-has-texts-from-bill-belichick-pics/)
I just heard this. He also said he had an interview with the Giants after they offered the job to Daboll.
The funniest thing to read was Bill Bellichick admitting he fucked up by congratulating Brian Flores by text thinking he was Brian Daboll on getting the Giants Head Coach job.
Absolutely. That was priceless.
Also see that Denver and Elway are being mentioned in all of this. Should be very interesting.
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It is a bit strange that the guy I constantly saw touted as being one of the biggest, if not the biggest, candidate out there still doesn't have a job. Not sure what it has to do with this, but I'm honestly shocked he has not been hired yet.
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Oh boy.
Flores says that Stephen Ross, the owner of the Miami Dolphins, offered to pay him $100,000 for every loss during 2019 season to help the team get a better draft spot. Was mad when they kept winning.
https://www.totalprosports.com/2022/02/01/breaking-brian-flores-suing-nfl-has-texts-from-bill-belichick-pics/ (https://www.totalprosports.com/2022/02/01/breaking-brian-flores-suing-nfl-has-texts-from-bill-belichick-pics/)
I just heard this. He also said he had an interview with the Giants after they offered the job to Daboll.
The funniest thing to read was Bill Bellichick admitting he fucked up by congratulating Brian Flores by text thinking he was Brian Daboll on getting the Giants Head Coach job.
Bill's a self-professed Luddite. I was actually surprised he even owned a phone capable of texting.
It took me a minute to figure out the relevance, but now I do. Flores is throwing that out as proof that the NYG had already decided to hire somebody else before their Rooney Rule mandated interview with Flores. I think he'd have a hard time with that, though. Bill was referring to grapevine news and not necessarily confirmed fact. That said, he's probably got some pretty good sources. Belichick might have drunk-texted his way right on into a deposition. :lol
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This Flores story is more wild then the last two weeks of the playoffs.
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Only the retirement of Tom Brady can preempt all other scheduled programming on the NFL Network (with the exception of the passing of John Madden).
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Only the retirement of Tom Brady can preempt all other scheduled programming on the NFL Network (with the exception of the passing of John Madden).
It should though.
But so should the Flores news.
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On second reading of the Belichick text. I don't think Bill texted the wrong Brian. Bill was referring to another text that he misread as Flores getting the job. Bill misread the original news that the other Brian got the job.
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Only the retirement of Tom Brady can preempt all other scheduled programming on the NFL Network (with the exception of the passing of John Madden).
It should though.
But so should the Flores news.
I don't disagree, was just saying. It's all Brady right now. I think the NFL Network is unlikely to put too much focus on the Flores issue. At least for now.
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Broncos are up for sale. Let's pull together the 4 billion plus it's gonna cost so we can bring the classic helmets back.
Put me down for $50.
As for the Brian Flores lawsuit, is anyone really surprised that the "Rooney Rule" resulted in people getting interviews with no intent of being hired? And yes, I know there's a lot more to the lawsuit than that.
And put me down on the list of people who couldn't give less of a fuck about the content of Brady's retirement announcement.
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Only the retirement of Tom Brady can preempt all other scheduled programming on the NFL Network (with the exception of the passing of John Madden).
It should though.
But so should the Flores news.
I don't disagree, was just saying. It's all Brady right now. I think the NFL Network is unlikely to put too much focus on the Flores issue. At least for now.
Oh, I see what you're saying Steve. Gotcha. You're right.
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Brady thanked the Patriots and their fans when he left two years ago, and thanked them again today. He helped get that city six championships. And some of them are butthurt cause he didn't mention them today? Good grief. :facepalm: :facepalm: :lol :lol
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I know it was leaked a while back, but Washington Commanders is all but confirmed due to multiple leaks, including Joe Theisman's big mouth
Official unveiling tomorrow.
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A lot are. It's ridiculous. I wouldn't be able to flash these without him. I thanked him on Twitter.
(https://i.postimg.cc/MHzsjxZw/FB-IMG-1643495511303.jpg) (https://postimages.org/) (https://postimages.org/)
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Wait, where is the 7th hat? Oh, right... :P :P
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I know passing and receiving numbers are higher now than ever, but in 20 games this season now (counting the season and playoffs), Cooper Kupp has:
170 catches
2,333 yards
20 touchdown catches
That means he has AVERAGED 8.5-117-1 a game over the course of 20 games.
:hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Is that good?
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I know it was leaked a while back, but Washington Commanders is all but confirmed due to multiple leaks, including Joe Theisman's big mouth
Official unveiling tomorrow.
I can't tell, but is that a good name? Somehow, after a while, the name Washington Football Team kinda rolls off the tongue well.
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I know it was leaked a while back, but Washington Commanders is all but confirmed due to multiple leaks, including Joe Theisman's big mouth
Official unveiling tomorrow.
I can't tell, but is that a good name? Somehow, after a while, the name Washington Football Team kinda rolls off the tongue well.
I agree 100%.
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I'm old-skool. They'll always be WTF to me.
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Flores says that Stephen Ross, the owner of the Miami Dolphins, offered to pay him $100,000 for every loss during 2019 season to help the team get a better draft spot. Was mad when they kept winning.
Are we sure Rachel Phelps isn't the Dolphins owner?
(https://i0.wp.com/fromthe108.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/42cb706c482ddb53e7130a29f8d4ec59.jpg?fit=640%2C427)
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I'm old-skool. They'll always be WTF to me.
For about two decades, they were the 'Potatoes'. John Riggins used to have a great 'radio' station on one of the local Comcast stations. He despised the owner, and often called them the 'Snidelys'. :DI I have no idea the amount of intentional and unintentional times I wrote the 'WTFs'. the last couple of years. Or just DC.
What will they use to fit the name in for headlines. DC? I am sure that 'Commies' has been ruled out.....
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I know it’s not going to happen, but it was so stupid of them not to change their name to the Washington Warriors. They could have kept the same logo. Without the racial slur, it would become a very noble and honorable title
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I just read Brady has the record for SB game winning drives with 6. In each of his Patriot Super Bowls, they down or tied in the 4th. That's crazy.
And I thought Warriors was on the no-no list for Native mascots.
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LA fans suck. So many SF fans there. That team deserves better. When you're bad I understand but this is thec AFC Championship game!
How the hell do LA Fans suck?? The fans at the games are just as passionate and devoted to the Rams as any other fanbase, it just comes down to numbers. There was no team in LA for pretty much 2 generations, 22 years. The transition won't happen overnight. As a Rams season ticket holder who went to pretty much every game, (before moving to Florida in Dec.), since the return I can tell you we have GREAT fans! It boils down to number of fans, which has been on the rise since the return in '16. The problem, which has been discussed ad nauseum is two fold. So many transplants in SoCal that bring their or their families allegiances with them and as I mentioned earlier, the 22 year vacuum in the market created by the Rams and Raiders leaving meant open season for a couple gens of kids to pick their teams. I could actually throw in the 3rd reason discussed often which is just how much shit there is to do on any given day in SoCal. That affects things too. Look at the Rams attendance numbers. Last time I looked a couple years ago they were very good.
We will always have opposing fan bases in SoCal because of these reasons. But... that will change with a ring or 2. We just have to go out and get them! Now we have new gens of kids who will grow up with the Rams. As far as the mass 49er fans? Nothing new, it was that way back in the 80's at Anaheim stadium. It's funny, a lot of my old co-workers raised their kids as Niners fans over the last 25 years because there wasn't a home team here and SF has a great storied history. Also because they're right up the road. Those fans, like the fans of most teams, tend to come out of the woodwork when the team is doing good. Go back 3-5 years when the Niners were having mediocre years and the number of fans at Levi stadium and at the Coliseum were a HELL of a lot less.
Anyways! GO RAMS!!!!!!!!!
As far as the SB... I can only hope and pray we play the game at the level we should. We are 1-3 in SB's and that needs to change! I was fortunate enough to be at the '99 SB win, but then again I was unfortunate enough to be at the '18 loss.
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OK. Not the hard-core fans but to have more than half the stadium filled with the opposing fans is a poor showing for their team.
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OK. Not the hard-core fans but to have more than half the stadium filled with the opposing fans is a poor showing for their team.
It's not a shocker though. In a Playoff game I expect it. Hell! I saw a shit ton of Red at the Niner Cowboy playoff game in Arlington! TONS of Niners fans in SoCal, has been since the 80's. There are certain teams that have really good fan bases..
Niners
Cowboys
Steelers
Packers
Pats
Common denominator?? Successful franchises and a LOT of rings!
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There was more than 50% Red. At a home game that season ticket fans get first crack. I know. I was a season ticket holder for the Pats from 1986 to 2012.
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King, ol' buddy, ol' pal. You almost have to have lived in SoCal to understand. Comparing fan loyalty in Boston with fan loyalty in Los Angeles is comparing apples to rutabagas. It's just a different world.
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No, I get it. That's why they never hold onto teams for the NFL. That's why I said it. It's a shame.
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For what it's the worth, I too find the stadium WWE-screaming thing to be CRAZY annoying. It's not just Sam either- this is the way PA announcing everywhere goes these days. Putting on my old fogey hat, I think they're all wrong. Chill out. Wanna know how it's done? Learn from the master: Lakers public address announcer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Tanter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Tanter). He's kinda the Vin Scully of PA announcing.
Give me David Courtney any day. Unfortunately, he died at 54, but at least he got to announce the Stanley Cup being presented to the Kings a few months earlier. Either way, I absolutely agree with the first part of this.
Bob Sheppard makes them all look like amateurs. :)
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I think Tom had it set up to have his answer in his last episode and was forced to give it earlier than he wanted because of the leaks which feels like from ESPN.
I personally think this is part of the Brady/Kraft/Belichick/Patriots thing too. Brady is, if nothing else, a control freak. He leaves nothing to chance in his football life and, to some extent, in his personal life. He doesn't wait for GMs to go get players, he goes and gets them. Etc. etc.
I think he had the plot scripted, and it was going to go in stages. Say goodbye to the Bucs, then say goodby to the Pats, then become owner of the Broncos. Okay, I stole that last part from Bart Scott, but my point is, that retirement notice wasn't crafted in an hour. I have ZERO doubt that Adam Schecter or whoever broke that story might even have seen it before they reported their story. It was a process that was interrupted. There were even some rumors that Brady was going to appear at Gillette this week (there were hundreds of people there yesterday in honor of Brady). I think Bart has it right, in that in today's NFL you can't just scribble contracts on the back of cocktail napkins; things need to take their course. This can't be reviewed and analyzed in real time, IMO, it's got to be big picture.
Belichick is a curmudgeon, but he's above all a football FAN, and has a deep and immense respect for the history and the background of the game. It's not a surprise to me that one of the few docs or sitdowns he ever did was with Parcells, and to talk candidly about their relatively brief falling out and their reunion. Two grown men who clearly love each other and respect each other and don't have the social tools to communicate that in any healthy, normal way. HAHAHAHA. I think the same with Brady. I think now that he's not a competitor, the animosity will thaw rather quickly, and this will all be, like Bart says, manufactured drama.
And old man rant, here, but it's disheartening to see, for a nation that is so invested in words and symbols like we are, to be SO consistently dismissive of what ought to be admired traits: hard work, success, focus, discipline, grace... It's no wonder we're so divisive.
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Feels like the Rams are the better team, but the 49ers are in their heads and they are fighting themselves, hence McVay making two stupid challenges and now they are out of timeouts. If the Rams lose this game, I put it all on McVay. He has to win this game.
He's maddening that way. He's a good coach, but he makes too many unforced errors to be GREAT, IMO. I don't watch the Rams enough to know, but it seems to me that he gets in his own head and is too clever at times rather than just letting the game unfold.
I meant to reply to this the other day, but this thread has moved fast this week.
I agree with your overall view of McVay, but it is hard to argue with the results. In the 10 seasons prior to his arrival, they averaged 4.6 wins a season with 7-8-1 being the best season. With McVay, they have gone 55-26 in five seasons, with now two Super Bowl appearances in those five seasons, four of which were with Jared Goff at QB whom history will likely not look fondly upon, so it is not like he is a Mike McCarthy (see: mediocre head coach who has padded his coaching W/L by lucking into two of the greatest QBs ever, Favre and Rodgers).
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Never thought I'd advocate the viewing of Get Up on ESPN (outside of Tuesdays when Jeff Saturday hands out pancakes) but apparently Brian Flores will be on at 9:30 EST. Will be interesting to see what he has to say.
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Below is an excellent article about the dwindling "home-field " advantage for home teams. It's basically non-existent.
It's a good read.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/01/14/nfl-home-field-advantage-pandemic/
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And I thought Warriors was on the no-no list for Native mascots.
The word "warrior" is not specific to Native Americans.
Any soldier from anywhere can be described as a warrior.
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Warriors had that nice alliterative thing going for it, ....except there's already some team with Seth Curry that uses it.
The Brian Flores 'thing' is a mess of the NFL's own ignorance and creation. I actually had a chance and watched 'Get Up' for the first time.
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Washington Warriors sounds cool. Personally, I think Washington Generals sounds better (not sure if that was an actual option or not). Washington Commanders just doesn't work. Besides, most analysts and broadcasters just say Washington. They've gotten used to that.
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Washington Warriors sounds cool. Personally, I think Washington Generals sounds better (not sure if that was an actual option or not). Washington Commanders just doesn't work. Besides, most analysts and broadcasters just say Washington. They've gotten used to that.
I've been saying all along that they could use the Warriors name and go back to the spear logo they used many moons ago.
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I'm going to say it: I hope Brian Flores loses his lawsuit in spectacular fashion. Let's not pretend that the Miami organization is a well-oiled machine. There were conflicts there almost from day one in Miami centering on Flores, and while they won some football games at the end of Flores' run, there was still conflict up until his final day. That is an organization that can't commit, white or black, and to pin any decision-making on "race" is, IMO, sour grapes. I can't speak to the Giants situation with any detail, but I know that Daboll was being mooted as the coach weeks ago, and was the front runner, at least in certain media circles, well before his announcement. There's no crime - in fact, one can argue it's the organizations obligation to do this - in having a backup plan. If I was hiring, and had an offer out, but there was no definitive answer to that offer, I wouldn't shut down the hiring process on "hope".
In a market like New York, which is SO fixated on winning and who's market has long since left "race" behind as a decision-point, I think it is a hard argument to suggest that the Daboll hiring was race-driven. If you believe the scouting (https://www.yahoo.com/now/nfl-coaching-carousel-tracker-2022-205717365.html), 50% of the interviewees for the Giants' job were African American. Four of the six were Defensive Coordinators, then Flores, then Daboll. The Giants' major issue is not their defense, it's having a QB on the brink; this is a make-or-break season for Daniel Jones and we KNOW that Flores was, in part, let go due to his (not) handling of Tua Tagovailoa, so it is silly on it's face to think that Giants SHOULD have hired Brian Flores over Brian Daboll, who has been an integral part of the ascension of Josh Allen in the NFL.
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Washington Warriors sounds cool. Personally, I think Washington Generals sounds better (not sure if that was an actual option or not). Washington Commanders just doesn't work. Besides, most analysts and broadcasters just say Washington. They've gotten used to that.
I've been saying all along that they could use the Warriors name and go back to the spear logo they used many moons ago.
No chance they use a spear logo.
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Washington Warriors sounds cool. Personally, I think Washington Generals sounds better (not sure if that was an actual option or not). Washington Commanders just doesn't work. Besides, most analysts and broadcasters just say Washington. They've gotten used to that.
I've been saying all along that they could use the Warriors name and go back to the spear logo they used many moons ago.
Given all the uproar over the name, this would be a colossally bad move.
I'm going to say it: I hope Brian Flores loses his lawsuit in spectacular fashion.
I hope he loses it if there is no merit to it, if he's full of shit and just starting trouble.
But if there's a hint of truth to it, I hope it blows the whole thing up.
Of course, I don't think it matters either way, because the NFL won't do anything about it.
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I thought it was odd for Flores to appear on multiple channels this morning, pleading his case.
To the lawyers here, isn't it usually best to keep quiet when a lawsuit has been filed and there is pending litigation? Or am I incorrect?
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I'm going to say it: I hope Brian Flores loses his lawsuit in spectacular fashion. Let's not pretend that the Miami organization is a well-oiled machine. There were conflicts there almost from day one in Miami centering on Flores, and while they won some football games at the end of Flores' run, there was still conflict up until his final day. That is an organization that can't commit, white or black, and to pin any decision-making on "race" is, IMO, sour grapes. I can't speak to the Giants situation with any detail, but I know that Daboll was being mooted as the coach weeks ago, and was the front runner, at least in certain media circles, well before his announcement. There's no crime - in fact, one can argue it's the organizations obligation to do this - in having a backup plan. If I was hiring, and had an offer out, but there was no definitive answer to that offer, I wouldn't shut down the hiring process on "hope".
In a market like New York, which is SO fixated on winning and who's market has long since left "race" behind as a decision-point, I think it is a hard argument to suggest that the Daboll hiring was race-driven. If you believe the scouting (https://www.yahoo.com/now/nfl-coaching-carousel-tracker-2022-205717365.html), 50% of the interviewees for the Giants' job were African American. Four of the six were Defensive Coordinators, then Flores, then Daboll. The Giants' major issue is not their defense, it's having a QB on the brink; this is a make-or-break season for Daniel Jones and we KNOW that Flores was, in part, let go due to his (not) handling of Tua Tagovailoa, so it is silly on it's face to think that Giants SHOULD have hired Brian Flores over Brian Daboll, who has been an integral part of the ascension of Josh Allen in the NFL.
Even if there are good reasons for wanting Daboll, the team should still got through the appropriate processes that they've agreed to, and the argument here is that very clearly they did not. What a weird thing to say, that you hope a highly-charged racial issue is completely dismissed out of the gate, without seemingly any regard whatsoever to whether the case has any merit.
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I hope he loses it if there is no merit to it, if he's full of shit and just starting trouble.
But if there's a hint of truth to it, I hope it blows the whole thing up.
Of course, I don't think it matters either way, because the NFL won't do anything about it.
There's a hint of truth in damn near anything. I think that's why he's been promoting his case so much. I read his initial statement about it yesterday, the modern plantation system that is the NFL, and I was offended by it. Not because of his concern, but because he was pandering. Like Stadler, I don't see much merit in this. Unless he can demonstrate that he was not hired by NYG because he's black then he doesn't get to say it was racially motivated. That won't matter, though. Nowadays that hint of truth is enough to feed the narrative, and that's all that really matters. The NFL is racist not because racists have made it so, but because of how the demographics have evolved. That's how 21st century America works, and it bums me out.
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I'm going to say it: I hope Brian Flores loses his lawsuit in spectacular fashion. Let's not pretend that the Miami organization is a well-oiled machine. There were conflicts there almost from day one in Miami centering on Flores, and while they won some football games at the end of Flores' run, there was still conflict up until his final day. That is an organization that can't commit, white or black, and to pin any decision-making on "race" is, IMO, sour grapes. I can't speak to the Giants situation with any detail, but I know that Daboll was being mooted as the coach weeks ago, and was the front runner, at least in certain media circles, well before his announcement. There's no crime - in fact, one can argue it's the organizations obligation to do this - in having a backup plan. If I was hiring, and had an offer out, but there was no definitive answer to that offer, I wouldn't shut down the hiring process on "hope".
In a market like New York, which is SO fixated on winning and who's market has long since left "race" behind as a decision-point, I think it is a hard argument to suggest that the Daboll hiring was race-driven. If you believe the scouting (https://www.yahoo.com/now/nfl-coaching-carousel-tracker-2022-205717365.html), 50% of the interviewees for the Giants' job were African American. Four of the six were Defensive Coordinators, then Flores, then Daboll. The Giants' major issue is not their defense, it's having a QB on the brink; this is a make-or-break season for Daniel Jones and we KNOW that Flores was, in part, let go due to his (not) handling of Tua Tagovailoa, so it is silly on it's face to think that Giants SHOULD have hired Brian Flores over Brian Daboll, who has been an integral part of the ascension of Josh Allen in the NFL.
Even if there are good reasons for wanting Daboll, the team should still got through the appropriate processes that they've agreed to, and the argument here is that very clearly they did not. What a weird thing to say, that you hope a highly-charged racial issue is completely dismissed out of the gate, without seemingly any regard whatsoever to whether the case has any merit.
I agree with the bolded. The NYG clearly did not act in good faith with regards to the rule. The problem is that I don't see any way that the case actually does have merit. Do you? Do you think Flores's race had any bearing on his employment? It seems to me that if anything it got him added opportunities.
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Even if there are good reasons for wanting Daboll, the team should still got through the appropriate processes that they've agreed to, and the argument here is that very clearly they did not. What a weird thing to say, that you hope a highly-charged racial issue is completely dismissed out of the gate, without seemingly any regard whatsoever to whether the case has any merit.
It sounds like they did, since I thought I heard Flores say that he still went to the Giants for the interview.
It sounds like they knew they had their man, the coach they wanted, but still interviewed Flores to abide by the Rooney Rule.
And I think that is where the Rooney Rule can be dicey, as a team could love the first guy they interview and want to hire him on the spot, but because of the Rule, they have to interview others, and if word gets out that the first guy already pretty much had it, it can make the minorities feel like they were only interviewed because of the Rule (which in that instance would be true, but from a human standpoint it can be an awful feeling).
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I'm going to say it: I hope Brian Flores loses his lawsuit in spectacular fashion. Let's not pretend that the Miami organization is a well-oiled machine. There were conflicts there almost from day one in Miami centering on Flores, and while they won some football games at the end of Flores' run, there was still conflict up until his final day. That is an organization that can't commit, white or black, and to pin any decision-making on "race" is, IMO, sour grapes. I can't speak to the Giants situation with any detail, but I know that Daboll was being mooted as the coach weeks ago, and was the front runner, at least in certain media circles, well before his announcement. There's no crime - in fact, one can argue it's the organizations obligation to do this - in having a backup plan. If I was hiring, and had an offer out, but there was no definitive answer to that offer, I wouldn't shut down the hiring process on "hope".
In a market like New York, which is SO fixated on winning and who's market has long since left "race" behind as a decision-point, I think it is a hard argument to suggest that the Daboll hiring was race-driven. If you believe the scouting (https://www.yahoo.com/now/nfl-coaching-carousel-tracker-2022-205717365.html), 50% of the interviewees for the Giants' job were African American. Four of the six were Defensive Coordinators, then Flores, then Daboll. The Giants' major issue is not their defense, it's having a QB on the brink; this is a make-or-break season for Daniel Jones and we KNOW that Flores was, in part, let go due to his (not) handling of Tua Tagovailoa, so it is silly on it's face to think that Giants SHOULD have hired Brian Flores over Brian Daboll, who has been an integral part of the ascension of Josh Allen in the NFL.
Why?
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Yeah....I am not rooting for or against the lawsuit. I'm rooting for truth and justice, to whatever end.
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I know it was leaked a while back, but Washington Commanders is all but confirmed due to multiple leaks, including Joe Theisman's big mouth
Official unveiling tomorrow.
I can't tell, but is that a good name?
LET'S GO COMMIES! <CLAP> ... <CLAP> ... <CLAP><CLAP><CLAP>
For what it's the worth, I too find the stadium WWE-screaming thing to be CRAZY annoying. It's not just Sam either- this is the way PA announcing everywhere goes these days. Putting on my old fogey hat, I think they're all wrong. Chill out. Wanna know how it's done? Learn from the master: Lakers public address announcer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Tanter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Tanter). He's kinda the Vin Scully of PA announcing.
Give me David Courtney any day. Unfortunately, he died at 54, but at least he got to announce the Stanley Cup being presented to the Kings a few months earlier. Either way, I absolutely agree with the first part of this.
Bob Sheppard makes them all look like amateurs. :)
Who?
And I thought Warriors was on the no-no list for Native mascots.
The word "warrior" is not specific to Native Americans.
Any soldier from anywhere can be described as a warrior.
Shit...who ISN'T referred to as a "warrior" these days. You survived cancer? You're a WARRIOR! You run on grown-up obstacle courses? You're a WARRIOR!
I thought it was odd for Flores to appear on multiple channels this morning, pleading his case.
To the lawyers here, isn't it usually best to keep quiet when a lawsuit has been filed and there is pending litigation? Or am I incorrect?
Very common for plaintiffs to do this sort of thing. The defendants usually keep quiet (whether they're in the right or in the wrong).
I'm going to say it: I hope Brian Flores loses his lawsuit in spectacular fashion. ...
Why?
Yeah...this one has me baffled too. To hope for a particular result, based only on allegations, and without knowing about any evidence (much less the "truth"), it's a head scratcher (especially coming from a lawyer).
In my view, the allegation that the owner offered financial incentive to lose games -- IF TRUE -- is WAY more concerning than the other stuff.
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In my view, the allegation that the owner offered financial incentive to lose games -- IF TRUE -- is WAY more concerning than the other stuff.
Absolutely. And I can only imagine that if proven the financial consequences would be devastating. A class action suit from all of your season ticket holders must be the stuff of nightmares if you're an owner.
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I didn't think anyone knew all the facts yet and so I'm just shooting from the hip here.
There's the question of the Rooney Rule and whether it was followed, and then the question of whether the Rule has been effective and whether the spirit of the rule is really being followed or not.
Then there's the allegation that one of the league's few minority coaches was being bribed to fail by the owner when he proved his team could be competitive.
And who knows what else.
That's why wanting him to fail in "spectacular fashion" is so strange to me, especially at this point. The guy's basically sacrificed his future in the league to draw attention to another issue, one that the NFL should be paying attention to if those decals on the helments and in the endzone really mean anything to them. I think the problems are self-explanatory, when 70% of the league is black and yet the league just can't seem to find black head coaches, it shows you what a good ol' boys club the NFL is, Rule or no Rule. That's why I'm hopeful that even if Flores has no merit with his personal grievances, the larger issues could be addressed as a result (for example, obviously the Rooney Rule is not good enough). I hope he succeeds at some level, because wanting him to fail would convey that I think things are going just fine in the NFL.
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I didn't think anyone knew all the facts yet and so I'm just shooting from the hip here.
There's the question of the Rooney Rule and whether it was followed, and then the question of whether the Rule has been effective and whether the spirit of the rule is really being followed or not.
Then there's the allegation that one of the league's few minority coaches was being bribed to fail by the owner when he proved his team could be competitive.
And who knows what else.
That's why wanting him to fail in "spectacular fashion" is so strange to me, especially at this point. The guy's basically sacrificed his future in the league to draw attention to another issue, one that the NFL should be paying attention to if those decals on the helments and in the endzone really mean anything to them. I think the problems are self-explanatory, when 70% of the league is black and yet the league just can't seem to find black head coaches, it shows you what a good ol' boys club the NFL is, Rule or no Rule. That's why I'm hopeful that even if Flores has no merit with his personal grievances, the larger issues could be addressed as a result (for example, obviously the Rooney Rule is not good enough). I hope he succeeds at some level, because wanting him to fail would convey that I think things are going just fine in the NFL.
I think the bolded may very well be why Stadler hopes it dies quickly and stupidly, though he can carry his own water in this one. I will say it's why I think Flores's initial remarks were offensive for their pandering nature, though.
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I'm really skeptical of jumping to the slavery comparison being thrown around when the player base is mostly African but the coaches are not. I watched the segment on Don Lemon last night with Bob Costas last night. He used that comparison and to me, it makes it hard for me to believe he isn't just playing the race card. I think the numbers look bad on paper, but does not mean there is any real life racial correlation. It's possible the issue is based on race, I don't know, but I'm very skeptical to believe that was the case. https://twitter.com/DonLemonTonight/status/1488734827750866946 (https://twitter.com/DonLemonTonight/status/1488734827750866946) if you want to watch the segment that I watched last night (and what I am basing my opinions on, I haven't read/watched much else)
It seems to me the Giants messed up by letting their intentions be known before finishing the interviews, but having interviewed a couple other minorities, I don't think they broke the Rooney Rule. They just look like idiots (no surprise, they've looked like idiots for years now).
The Dolphins allegations are a much bigger deal to me because of the impact of the game and integrity.
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I hope he loses it if there is no merit to it, if he's full of shit and just starting trouble.
But if there's a hint of truth to it, I hope it blows the whole thing up.
Of course, I don't think it matters either way, because the NFL won't do anything about it.
There's a hint of truth in damn near anything. I think that's why he's been promoting his case so much. I read his initial statement about it yesterday, the modern plantation system that is the NFL, and I was offended by it. Not because of his concern, but because he was pandering. Like Stadler, I don't see much merit in this. Unless he can demonstrate that he was not hired by NYG because he's black then he doesn't get to say it was racially motivated. That won't matter, though. Nowadays that hint of truth is enough to feed the narrative, and that's all that really matters. The NFL is racist not because racists have made it so, but because of how the demographics have evolved. That's how 21st century America works, and it bums me out.
If he can't offer evidence of his claim, then he'll go down in NFL history as the biggest flameout ever, and deservedly so.
But I don't get being offended by what you see as pandering. If he's right, and if it were me instead of him, I might be upset enough to engage in a bit of "pandering" myself.
No matter the result of the suit, the truth remains that NFL teams continue to hire white coaches at a ridiculously higher rate than black coaches, many times giving certain white coaches chance after chance after chance regardless of how mediocre their record is, rather than giving a chance to someone of color. This is no secret, it's not news. Meanwhile, Flores gets fired for having the temerity to have 2 consecutive winning seasons, something not done in Miami for years. Maybe it's not racist, I don't know.
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Meanwhile, Flores gets fired for having the temerity to have 2 consecutive winning seasons, something not done in Miami for years. Maybe it's not racist, I don't know.
The other allegations make me think there is a lot more to this than racism, but maybe there is a racial part to it, I don't know either.
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I hope he loses it if there is no merit to it, if he's full of shit and just starting trouble.
But if there's a hint of truth to it, I hope it blows the whole thing up.
Of course, I don't think it matters either way, because the NFL won't do anything about it.
There's a hint of truth in damn near anything. I think that's why he's been promoting his case so much. I read his initial statement about it yesterday, the modern plantation system that is the NFL, and I was offended by it. Not because of his concern, but because he was pandering. Like Stadler, I don't see much merit in this. Unless he can demonstrate that he was not hired by NYG because he's black then he doesn't get to say it was racially motivated. That won't matter, though. Nowadays that hint of truth is enough to feed the narrative, and that's all that really matters. The NFL is racist not because racists have made it so, but because of how the demographics have evolved. That's how 21st century America works, and it bums me out.
If he can't offer evidence of his claim, then he'll go down in NFL history as the biggest flameout ever, and deservedly so.
But I don't get being offended by what you see as pandering. If he's right, and if it were me instead of him, I might be upset enough to engage in a bit of "pandering" myself.
No matter the result of the suit, the truth remains that NFL teams continue to hire white coaches at a ridiculously higher rate than black coaches, many times giving certain white coaches chance after chance after chance regardless of how mediocre their record is, rather than giving a chance to someone of color. This is no secret, it's not news. Meanwhile, Flores gets fired for having the temerity to have 2 consecutive winning seasons, something not done in Miami for years. Maybe it's not racist, I don't know.
If he's right he can prove his damn case. However, that's not what his objective is. He's looking to fight the battle in the public sphere rather than the legal one, because the former easier to do with the right narrative. Just look at what we've already seen. People see disproportionate numbers and racism is the first and only thing they can imagine. Case closed. His exploitation of that behaviour is why it offends me.
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People see disproportionate numbers and racism is the first and only thing they can imagine. Case closed. His exploitation of that behaviour is why it offends me.
Just playing devil's advocate - people have been talking about this for as long as I can remember, which is why the Rooney rule was put in place at all.
Just curious what other things you think people SHOULD imagine besides racism? I'm not saying it definitely is, but I also don't believe that there simply aren't any qualified black coaches.
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Flores' record in Miami was 0.490 during the last 3 seasons. That's less than a mediocre performance at best. Any person in that position would have a hard time keeping their job or being highly qualified for a new HC position. To play the race card as your only fallback is irresponsible, IMO. That said, if he had a winning record in Miami, none of this would be an issue, at least not in this particular instance. Personally, I don't care what they look like or where they're from. An HC candidate is either right for that particular position or they're not. Many things can factor into that. Hopefully race isn't one of them.
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People see disproportionate numbers and racism is the first and only thing they can imagine. Case closed. His exploitation of that behaviour is why it offends me.
Just playing devil's advocate - people have been talking about this for as long as I can remember, which is why the Rooney rule was put in place at all.
Just curious what other things you think people SHOULD imagine besides racism? I'm not saying it definitely is, but I also don't believe that there simply aren't any qualified black coaches.
Yeah, so having this conversation from this perspective is challenging. Not because I'm arguing from a position of weakness, I don't think I am, but because the emotionally charged nature of the subject handicaps my side. We're now in the era of "arguing against racism IS racism." Thankfully you and I go way back (and Skeever, as well), so I don't expect to have a problem, but it's still challenging. That having been said. . .
Maybe they're just less likely to be qualified? Not individually, but as a group, thus presenting fewer qualified applicants. I am not suggesting that there's some basis by which they're inadequate, but over the course of their lives, taking into account education and ambitions, perhaps it's just settled that way. And if this is the case, it's something we should very definitely address. I'm on the side of potential black coaches here. I just don't think blaming racism, an attitude, and calling the league a good ole boys club or a plantation system is the right argument to make.
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What we're getting into here is the idea that a system can be racist without any of the particular actors being racist themselves. I'm willing to set aside the idea that the NFL and its Owners are "racist" because it's not important: what's important is that the product the league puts out is not in line with the so-called values the league claim to embrace.
The league claims to value inclusion and diversity but the disparity of minorities in the top brass communicates that nothing the league has done has proven to be very effective overall in terms of encouraging minorities to take on roles in the highest position.
I've read a bit of the lawsuit and I'd agree that it's hyperbolic and sensation and I won't argue that there maybe are some ways they could be going about it better. But I think if you asked the Commissioner or most of the Owners whether they think there should be more black coaches, they'd all wholeheartedly say "Yes". So why isn't it happening? The League that values its image and social standing so dearly should not feel threatened by this question. And if the League want credit for being progressive, they should be prepared to answer the kind of scrutiny that this lawsuit puts forward, and be prepared to implement changes that allow them to be more representative.
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Flores' record in Miami was 0.490 during the last 3 seasons. That's less than a mediocre performance at best. Any person in that position would have a hard time keeping their job or being highly qualified for a new HC position. To play the race card as your only fallback is irresponsible, IMO. That said, if he had a winning record in Miami, none of this would be an issue, at least not in this particular instance. Personally, I don't care what they look like or where they're from. An HC candidate is either right for that particular position or they're not. Many things can factor into that. Hopefully race isn't one of them.
It is notable that he had basically the same record that Adam Gase did in three seasons with Miami (Flores was 1/2 game better because of the extra game that was added in the 2021 season), and people act like Gase was one of the biggest head coaching dopes we have seen since Rich Kotite. Now, I do think Flores is better than that, and he seemingly had the team on an upward trajectory despite a below average QB, but he can't exactly point to his record with a lot of pride.
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Yeah, so having this conversation from this perspective is challenging. Not because I'm arguing from a position of weakness, I don't think I am, but because the emotionally charged nature of the subject handicaps my side. We're now in the era of "arguing against racism IS racism." Thankfully you and I go way back (and Skeever, as well), so I don't expect to have a problem, but it's still challenging.
No problems from me.
That having been said. . .
Maybe they're just less likely to be qualified? Not individually, but as a group, thus presenting fewer qualified applicants. I am not suggesting that there's some basis by which they're inadequate, but over the course of their lives, taking into account education and ambitions, perhaps it's just settled that way. And if this is the case, it's something we should very definitely address. I'm on the side of potential black coaches here. I just don't think blaming racism, an attitude, and calling the league a good ole boys club or a plantation system is the right argument to make.
Well, whether it's actually racist or not, I don't think there's any question that there is a side of the NFL that is and old boy's club.
And I'm not convinced myself that racism is the actual issue here. But then I look at someone like Sean McVay, who has certainly done great things with his opportunity, but what had he done to be worthy of getting that opportunity when he was the youngest person ever hired as an NFL head coach? What did he do to be deserving of that chance that other, seemingly more (or at least, AS) qualified coaches haven't done to get that chance? Am I saying he was hired because he was white? No, I'm not saying that. But after a non-descript college career, he went straight into coaching and got opportunity after opportunity, until he was offensive coordinator of known juggernaut the Washington Redskins before getting the Rams gig.
Meanwhile, we have (as just the most recent example) Eric Bieniemy, who had a stellar college career, and played in the NFL for 8 seasons. He then spent time as running backs coach at Minnesota, when Adrian Peterson led the league in rushing for several years. After returning to his alma mater to do some college coaching, he joined the Chiefs as running backs coach, and then got promoted to offensive coordinator in 2018, and the Chiefs have been one of the best offenses in the league ever since.
I'm just not sure why McVay gets that chance but Bieniemy doesn't.
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Yeah, so having this conversation from this perspective is challenging. Not because I'm arguing from a position of weakness, I don't think I am, but because the emotionally charged nature of the subject handicaps my side. We're now in the era of "arguing against racism IS racism." Thankfully you and I go way back (and Skeever, as well), so I don't expect to have a problem, but it's still challenging.
No problems from me.
That having been said. . .
Maybe they're just less likely to be qualified? Not individually, but as a group, thus presenting fewer qualified applicants. I am not suggesting that there's some basis by which they're inadequate, but over the course of their lives, taking into account education and ambitions, perhaps it's just settled that way. And if this is the case, it's something we should very definitely address. I'm on the side of potential black coaches here. I just don't think blaming racism, an attitude, and calling the league a good ole boys club or a plantation system is the right argument to make.
Well, whether it's actually racist or not, I don't think there's any question that there is a side of the NFL that is and old boy's club.
And I'm not convinced myself that racism is the actual issue here. But then I look at someone like Sean McVay, who has certainly done great things with his opportunity, but what had he done to be worthy of getting that opportunity when he was the youngest person ever hired as an NFL head coach? What did he do to be deserving of that chance that other, seemingly more (or at least, AS) qualified coaches haven't done to get that chance? Am I saying he was hired because he was white? No, I'm not saying that. But after a non-descript college career, he went straight into coaching and got opportunity after opportunity, until he was offensive coordinator of known juggernaut the Washington Redskins before getting the Rams gig.
Meanwhile, we have (as just the most recent example) Eric Bieniemy, who had a stellar college career, and played in the NFL for 8 seasons. He then spent time as running backs coach at Minnesota, when Adrian Peterson led the league in rushing for several years. After returning to his alma mater to do some college coaching, he joined the Chiefs as running backs coach, and then got promoted to offensive coordinator in 2018, and the Chiefs have been one of the best offenses in the league ever since.
I'm just not sure why McVay gets that chance but Bieniemy doesn't.
Yeah these kind of things are great examples.
Maybe it's not due to racism, but the league is obviously functioning in a certain way that does not reflect what it claims to want to be. This could be due to a lot of things, some of the intentional, and I'd guess many of them unintentional. If the league really wants to be more diverse at all levels, it should be volunteering this kind of scrutiny, not waiting to get sued.
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What we're getting into here is the idea that a system can be racist without any of the particular actors being racist themselves. I'm willing to set aside the idea that the NFL and its Owners are "racist" because it's not important: what's important is that the product the league puts out is not in line with the so-called values the league claim to embrace.
The league claims to value inclusion and diversity but the disparity of minorities in the top brass communicates that nothing the league has done has proven to be very effective overall in terms of encouraging minorities to take on roles in the highest position.
I've read a bit of the lawsuit and I'd agree that it's hyperbolic and sensation and I won't argue that there maybe are some ways they could be going about it better. But I think if you asked the Commissioner or most of the Owners whether they think there should be more black coaches, they'd all wholeheartedly say "Yes". So why isn't it happening? The League that values its image and social standing so dearly should not feel threatened by this question. And if the League want credit for being progressive, they should be prepared to answer the kind of scrutiny that this lawsuit puts forward, and be prepared to implement changes that allow them to be more representative.
I recognize the distinction you're making, but at the same time I don't recognize "systems" as being racist. Systems may be set up unfairly to garner certain results, and certainly this can be done to disadvantage people by racists. Where I run into a problem is when we associate a system with racism if it's simply the result of running its course without any subversion by racists. Before we start castigating people for their racism I'd like to see some sort of intent. Before we decry systems as being racist I'd like to see some evidence of design. Until then I just think people are using charged language to effect change which might be neither related nor warranted.
And I don't think the league is frightened by the question. I think the league has embraced the question. I just don't know as there's a fair solution when we're only measuring it by the end results.
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Yeah, so having this conversation from this perspective is challenging. Not because I'm arguing from a position of weakness, I don't think I am, but because the emotionally charged nature of the subject handicaps my side. We're now in the era of "arguing against racism IS racism." Thankfully you and I go way back (and Skeever, as well), so I don't expect to have a problem, but it's still challenging.
No problems from me.
That having been said. . .
Maybe they're just less likely to be qualified? Not individually, but as a group, thus presenting fewer qualified applicants. I am not suggesting that there's some basis by which they're inadequate, but over the course of their lives, taking into account education and ambitions, perhaps it's just settled that way. And if this is the case, it's something we should very definitely address. I'm on the side of potential black coaches here. I just don't think blaming racism, an attitude, and calling the league a good ole boys club or a plantation system is the right argument to make.
Well, whether it's actually racist or not, I don't think there's any question that there is a side of the NFL that is and old boy's club.
And I'm not convinced myself that racism is the actual issue here. But then I look at someone like Sean McVay, who has certainly done great things with his opportunity, but what had he done to be worthy of getting that opportunity when he was the youngest person ever hired as an NFL head coach? What did he do to be deserving of that chance that other, seemingly more (or at least, AS) qualified coaches haven't done to get that chance? Am I saying he was hired because he was white? No, I'm not saying that. But after a non-descript college career, he went straight into coaching and got opportunity after opportunity, until he was offensive coordinator of known juggernaut the Washington Redskins before getting the Rams gig.
Meanwhile, we have (as just the most recent example) Eric Bieniemy, who had a stellar college career, and played in the NFL for 8 seasons. He then spent time as running backs coach at Minnesota, when Adrian Peterson led the league in rushing for several years. After returning to his alma mater to do some college coaching, he joined the Chiefs as running backs coach, and then got promoted to offensive coordinator in 2018, and the Chiefs have been one of the best offenses in the league ever since.
I'm just not sure why McVay gets that chance but Bieniemy doesn't.
Bieniemy will certainly get his chance. But when comparing him to McVay we really don't have much to work with. Neither of us sat in on SM's interview. My understanding is that he was always considered something of a football wunderkind. Hiring him was considered a ballsy move at the time. There was definitely something to the guy that set him apart, and I'm pretty sure being white wasn't part of it.
One of the things I was kind of trying to get at (ambitions) is what leads people into coaching. There are people who move onto coaching after playing football, and there are a handful of people who were always destined to be coaches. Belichick never had any fantasy about being a pro player. Neither did Andy Reid, Pete Carrol, or Sean McVay. These are guys who've spent years learning how to understand the game at a very high level, and learning how to teach it to others. I'm not suggesting that they're necessarily better than players turned coaches (Ditka, Landry, Reeves, Shell), but it's certainly possible, perhaps probable that some owners would prefer somebody who's devoted themselves to being a coach, like McVay, than somebody who's shifted into the role. I don't think it's a reach to think that maybe there's a similar racial disparity among those two groups of players, and that could be a component of why there aren't as many qualified candidates.
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Flores' record in Miami was 0.490 during the last 3 seasons. That's less than a mediocre performance at best. Any person in that position would have a hard time keeping their job or being highly qualified for a new HC position. To play the race card as your only fallback is irresponsible, IMO. That said, if he had a winning record in Miami, none of this would be an issue, at least not in this particular instance. Personally, I don't care what they look like or where they're from. An HC candidate is either right for that particular position or they're not. Many things can factor into that. Hopefully race isn't one of them.
It is notable that he had basically the same record that Adam Gase did in three seasons with Miami (Flores was 1/2 game better because of the extra game that was added in the 2021 season), and people act like Gase was one of the biggest head coaching dopes we have seen since Rich Kotite. Now, I do think Flores is better than that, and he seemingly had the team on an upward trajectory despite a below average QB, but he can't exactly point to his record with a lot of pride.
Yeah, but that's not fair. He went 5-11 in his first season where they traded his roster out from underneath him. The team was tanking and that was obvious then. Flores did the best he could. He then went 19-14 over the next two years. So let's not paint him as a sub .500 coach. Sure while that may actually be the record over the three years, it fails miserably at telling the story.
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Guess who had a .408 record after his 1st 3 seasons?
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I'm going to say it: I hope Brian Flores loses his lawsuit in spectacular fashion. Let's not pretend that the Miami organization is a well-oiled machine. There were conflicts there almost from day one in Miami centering on Flores, and while they won some football games at the end of Flores' run, there was still conflict up until his final day. That is an organization that can't commit, white or black, and to pin any decision-making on "race" is, IMO, sour grapes. I can't speak to the Giants situation with any detail, but I know that Daboll was being mooted as the coach weeks ago, and was the front runner, at least in certain media circles, well before his announcement. There's no crime - in fact, one can argue it's the organizations obligation to do this - in having a backup plan. If I was hiring, and had an offer out, but there was no definitive answer to that offer, I wouldn't shut down the hiring process on "hope".
In a market like New York, which is SO fixated on winning and who's market has long since left "race" behind as a decision-point, I think it is a hard argument to suggest that the Daboll hiring was race-driven. If you believe the scouting (https://www.yahoo.com/now/nfl-coaching-carousel-tracker-2022-205717365.html), 50% of the interviewees for the Giants' job were African American. Four of the six were Defensive Coordinators, then Flores, then Daboll. The Giants' major issue is not their defense, it's having a QB on the brink; this is a make-or-break season for Daniel Jones and we KNOW that Flores was, in part, let go due to his (not) handling of Tua Tagovailoa, so it is silly on it's face to think that Giants SHOULD have hired Brian Flores over Brian Daboll, who has been an integral part of the ascension of Josh Allen in the NFL.
Even if there are good reasons for wanting Daboll, the team should still got through the appropriate processes that they've agreed to, and the argument here is that very clearly they did not. What a weird thing to say, that you hope a highly-charged racial issue is completely dismissed out of the gate, without seemingly any regard whatsoever to whether the case has any merit.
I agree with the bolded. The NYG clearly did not act in good faith with regards to the rule. The problem is that I don't see any way that the case actually does have merit. Do you? Do you think Flores's race had any bearing on his employment? It seems to me that if anything it got him added opportunities.
I think I said pretty clearly why I said what I did, but I'll elaborate (and I'm only quoting Bart to get to agree with the bolded as well).
I think this is playing the race card. Easily half my jobs in my life, I was the preferred candidate and I had to wait for the HR process to take it's course (post the job for a certain number of days, interview an appropriate number of people). I've also lost jobs that were aligned like that. Whether someone is black or not, whether someone is in line for the job or not, you can't set rules like the Rooney Rule, "hoping" for a preferred outcome (because "we did something!"), then complain when it goes exactly as anyone could have foreseen and WITHOUT the prayed for results.
I am also not addressing the pay to lose thing. I didn't realize that was an integral part of the suit; I had heard this was a class action suit, and I though it peculiar that others would be brought into a suit about whether Flores was the victim of extortion (or whatever the claim is).
In any event, while I hope that the courts do not take an activist approach to this, of course I first and foremost hope the process works with the efficiency and integrity I think it will. I want the right answer as much as anyone, and that's part of my point. It seems that too often when dealing with race we DON'T get to the right answer, and we get to situations like. The Rooney Rule is stupid, and only makes the owners think that much more about race than they already would have. We KNOW that people in the Giants organization were high on Flores, and his interview was not a token interview. The GM preferred Daboll, for reasons I set forth, and Mara the owner opted not to override him. It is what it is, but that doesn't necessarily mean RACE was the factor.
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I think the place where I disagree is as I've said - this is already way bigger than Flores, and now about whether the NFL has really lived up to its promise of diversity. That's why it's so weird to me to be rooting for his failure. If it's just about his personal interest and whether you think he personally has a case, that's one thing, but that train left the station immediately. It's now about calling the NFL on its bullshit. The Rooney rule being something almost everyone here seems to agree to be bullshit. The disagreement being what, if anything, the NFL should do to encourage more diversity in the top positions.
Not so different than any other corporation these days. We're told constantly that state regulation is futile and that corporations and capitalism in general can self-correct, and create a better world that's more like the one we envision as a diverse and inclusive society. Then when the rubber meets the road it's another game of "nose goes".
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If Elway goes to the interviews drunk, it explains some of the hires he's made out there.
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And I thought Warriors was on the no-no list for Native mascots.
The word "warrior" is not specific to Native Americans.
Any soldier from anywhere can be described as a warrior.
WA State has banned Native Mascots, symbols, imagery, etc in public schools, and multiple schools have changed their mascot from Warriors. I don't if that was because "Warrior" is on the list (I do not know if such a "list" exists) or if it was to adhere to the spirit of the ruling, or possibly to just avoid any bad press.
Now pardon me while I fire up the NES and play some Ikari Fighters.
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I saw a funny argument yesterday as to why Commanders is a poor name choice for Washington. In the NFL, fans and announcers have a habit of shortening the nicknames when talking about the teams (49ers to just 9ers, Cardinals to Cards, Cowboys to Boys, Buccaneers to Bucs). It's only a matter of time til the Commanders get called the Commies lol
Honestly, I think they should have stuck with the Washington Football Team. It was better than any of the other choices I saw.
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I saw a funny argument yesterday as to why Commanders is a poor name choice for Washington. In the NFL, fans and announcers have a habit of shortening the nicknames when talking about the teams (49ers to just 9ers, Cardinals to Cards, Cowboys to Boys, Buccaneers to Bucs). It's only a matter of time til the Commanders get called the Commies lol
Honestly, I think they should have stuck with the Washington Football Team. It was better than any of the other choices I saw.
Was that the Tweet with the Let's go chant they have Hef? Let's go Commies, Comms, Comando? :lol
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I saw a funny argument yesterday as to why Commanders is a poor name choice for Washington. In the NFL, fans and announcers have a habit of shortening the nicknames when talking about the teams (49ers to just 9ers, Cardinals to Cards, Cowboys to Boys, Buccaneers to Bucs). It's only a matter of time til the Commanders get called the Commies lol
Honestly, I think they should have stuck with the Washington Football Team. It was better than any of the other choices I saw.
It's funny you say that because the first thing I saw on twitter after the name got leaked out was Pat McAfee making that same joke. :lol
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I saw a funny argument yesterday as to why Commanders is a poor name choice for Washington. In the NFL, fans and announcers have a habit of shortening the nicknames when talking about the teams (49ers to just 9ers, Cardinals to Cards, Cowboys to Boys, Buccaneers to Bucs). It's only a matter of time til the Commanders get called the Commies lol
Honestly, I think they should have stuck with the Washington Football Team. It was better than any of the other choices I saw.
Was that the Tweet with the Let's go chant they have Hef? Let's go Commies, Comms, Comando? :lol
No, I heard it on PTI.
It's funny you say that because the first thing I saw on twitter after the name got leaked out was Pat McAfee making that same joke. :lol
lol I didn't see McAfee say that.
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"Here we go, commies, here we go!"
*clap clap*
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I saw a funny argument yesterday as to why Commanders is a poor name choice for Washington. In the NFL, fans and announcers have a habit of shortening the nicknames when talking about the teams (49ers to just 9ers, Cardinals to Cards, Cowboys to Boys, Buccaneers to Bucs). It's only a matter of time til the Commanders get called the Commies lol
You don't say?
I know it was leaked a while back, but Washington Commanders is all but confirmed due to multiple leaks, including Joe Theisman's big mouth
Official unveiling tomorrow.
I can't tell, but is that a good name?
LET'S GO COMMIES! <CLAP> ... <CLAP> ... <CLAP><CLAP><CLAP>
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:lol
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I didn't think anyone knew all the facts yet and so I'm just shooting from the hip here.
There's the question of the Rooney Rule and whether it was followed, and then the question of whether the Rule has been effective and whether the spirit of the rule is really being followed or not.
Then there's the allegation that one of the league's few minority coaches was being bribed to fail by the owner when he proved his team could be competitive.
And who knows what else.
That's why wanting him to fail in "spectacular fashion" is so strange to me, especially at this point. The guy's basically sacrificed his future in the league to draw attention to another issue, one that the NFL should be paying attention to if those decals on the helments and in the endzone really mean anything to them. I think the problems are self-explanatory, when 70% of the league is black and yet the league just can't seem to find black head coaches, it shows you what a good ol' boys club the NFL is, Rule or no Rule. That's why I'm hopeful that even if Flores has no merit with his personal grievances, the larger issues could be addressed as a result (for example, obviously the Rooney Rule is not good enough). I hope he succeeds at some level, because wanting him to fail would convey that I think things are going just fine in the NFL.
Again, I've already answered this, but it's relevant: I was - rightly or wrongly - ignoring the "pay to lose" aspect. And let's be clear: nothing has changed from any of my past posts. Flores has the right to sue, and if he can prove his allegations, he ought to win. The system is there for a reason.
I'm specifically targeting the perception of the race claims. So much of this ISN'T about proof, but, as Skeever seems to imply, proving the pithy little statements on the back of helmets. Sure, we all want to "End Racism" - I know I do - but how many of us want to do the hard work it will take to do that? We KNOW what it might take to do that; we KNOW the research says reducing the in-groups and out-groups and addressing our inherent insecurity will do that, but I can't even get my friends HERE to have that conversation. Instead, human nature takes over and all the OTHER buzzwords and pithy statements take over: "FIGHT!"; "By any means necessary!", and we get militant, attacking points of view, exclusionary tactics (CRT and others) that just serve to change the property lines on the in-groups and out-groups, and do nothing but promote and encourage more insecurity. Here, the owners are going to protect their $16 billion per year investment hell or high water. They might castigate Stephen Ross behind closed doors, but they are NOT going to let their shield be dented by this, right, wrong or indifferent.
And the upshot is, while I admit my statement was sort of hyperbolic, it was in my mind perfectly consistent with my general reliance on and faith in, the system. I'm usually the guy saying it's foolhardy to presuppose an outcome, until the evidence is given, and it matters not what we WANT but what the tribunal sees and weighs in on. That still stands. Trials are, at essence, a determination of the facts, and an application of the law to that. I generally think these cases - at least the race side of the equation - in our environment today don't lend themselves to a strict fact-based assessment. Too much of this is based on a mental state, and too often today, that mental state is falsely inferred by actions that don't necessarily need that intent to happen.
Take this article, for example (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/03/briefing/nfl-head-coach-brian-flores-racism.html). It's lead example of racism in the NFL? That the list of three time coaches who haven't won a Super Bowl have "one thing in common" (they're white). Well, they have a couple other things in common, too, namely that none has coached in the last nine years. That a Black man hasn't been asked back MAY be race, but it may also be a part of the trend in the last ten years to give these young analytical wunderkinds the reigns. It's a coordinator's game these days in terms of who seems to get the opportunities. Sean McVay's job WOULD have been someone like a Norv Turner. Kliff Kingsbury's job WOULD have been someone like a Ted Marchibroda. Now, that begs the question as to why Todd Bowles, Byron Leftwich, and others haven't gotten opportunities, but the clock is still ticking. Leftwich has long been mooted as a potential for the Jaguars job, but it's not unreasonable that teams were waiting to see what came of the Brady situation before reaching out. The point being, how do you prove this? It's not a "fact" as much as a feeling. If you use this site as any indication (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32917485/nfl-head-coach-firings-hirings-openings-latest-news-rumors-interview-candidates-five-open-jobs), there are five jobs left open (Saints, Jags, Vikings, Dolphins, Texans) and all but the Texans (at 33%) have at least 50% black candidates either interviewed or proposed interviewed. That's more than just lip-service to the Rooney Rule. The Saints apparently have three potential candidates, and two are black. Let's say Flores wins; what's the remedy? Some team has to give a guy they don't want a job? At any time the constituency of the NFL coaching ranks falls below 13.5% black, the next x number of teams HAVE to hire a black coach up to the point we exceed the appropriate percentages? Flores will get a payout on a win, but that doesn't help the Bowles', the Bieniemy's, the Morris' of the world.
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I would have more respect for the Washington organization if they just kept the original name.
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I think the place where I disagree is as I've said - this is already way bigger than Flores, and now about whether the NFL has really lived up to its promise of diversity. That's why it's so weird to me to be rooting for his failure. If it's just about his personal interest and whether you think he personally has a case, that's one thing, but that train left the station immediately. It's now about calling the NFL on its bullshit. The Rooney rule being something almost everyone here seems to agree to be bullshit. The disagreement being what, if anything, the NFL should do to encourage more diversity in the top positions.
Not so different than any other corporation these days. We're told constantly that state regulation is futile and that corporations and capitalism in general can self-correct, and create a better world that's more like the one we envision as a diverse and inclusive society. Then when the rubber meets the road it's another game of "nose goes".
Well, I don't know what "nose goes" means, but it shouldn't surprise you that I'm generally in disagreement on how we as a society handle corporations. We generally, from my point of view, ascribe too much reason and logic to things that aren't inherently based on reason and logic.
We live in a "do something, do ANYTHING" world. It doesn't matter if it's effective, we just have to "act". The Rooney Rule is the same as banning bumpstocks, requiring parental consent on abortions, or any of 50 laws that aren't REALLY about solving the underlying problem, but are more about sending the message that "we got this!" (reference to the exasperating thread). There was an anecdote on ESPN radio the other day about Mike Tomlin; they had someone else lined up (I forget the name; household name, but I can't recall it) and Tomlin reached out. In the interview, he impressed the Rooney's as being "one of them", i.e. a young hardnosed coach in the mould of Bill Cowher (his direct predecessor) and Chuck Noll before him. All three were in their 30's when hired, and all three came off being Defensive Coordinators at the NFL level. When we try to FORCE the issue, it's recipe for disaster, and almost guarantees a perpetuating cycle. It'll be interesting how things play out; Byron Leftwich is a PERFECT fit for New Orleans. Former QB coach and OC, first time head coach... all things that were Sean Payton before he got the opportunity to coach the Saints.
I'm not rooting against Flores, per se, I'm rooting against a line of reasoning that is destined to fail, whether it's at the case/court level, or at the level of the unintended consequences that result from a case/court. The courts are not tasked with looking forward, they are tasked with looking backward.
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So New England wants Bill O'Brien to be their OC and O'Brien wants to go to NE. They've worked together in the past. They like each other. He was McCorkle's OC at Alabama. He's familiar with several of the top WR prospects. He's by all measures a perfect fit. A match made in heaven. They can't hire him right away, though, because they have to interview minority coaches per the Rooney Rule. Several of them will interview, despite it being kind of clear that they're only token applicants. "Thanks for coming in. We'll be in touch."
Sound like any other HC prospect in the news lately?
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Sure does.
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Well, I don't know what "nose goes" means, but it shouldn't surprise you that I'm generally in disagreement on how we as a society handle corporations. We generally, from my point of view, ascribe too much reason and logic to things that aren't inherently based on reason and logic.
OK, but this is about how a corporation says it wants to handle itself. Clearly it's dumb Rooney Rule is not doing anything to make it more like the league it sells itself to be. So the fans who support the league have every right to drag it for failing to walk the walk when it comes to diversity.
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I want the right answer as much as anyone...
I don't think you and Ibram X. Kendi want the same "right" answer.
I think this is playing the race card. Easily half my jobs in my life, I was the preferred candidate and I had to wait for the HR process to take it's course (post the job for a certain number of days, interview an appropriate number of people).
It drives me bonkers everything that has to happen for my wife to hire a para for her classroom. He identifies the person she wants to hire, she has worked in her classroom before and the kids know them, it is a perfect fir for her classroom. Yet once the position has been approved, it's posted for four weeks, then if more than one person applies, interviews which take several days due to scheduling. Just freaking hire the person you want for Pete's sake.
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Slightly paraphrasing, but Jordan Peterson has made it clear for years that equal opportunity will not always result in equal outcome, and I think that is a concept that is lost on many, to be honest. The spirit of the Rooney Rule is admirable, but its flaws are pretty clear at this point. There has to be a better way to ensure minorities getting more opportunities for coaching positions. I don't know what the answer is.
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Slightly paraphrasing, but Jordan Peterson has made it clear for years that equal opportunity will not always result in equal outcome, and I think that is a concept that is lost on many, to be honest. The spirit of the Rooney Rule is admirable, but its flaws are pretty clear at this point. There has to be a better way to ensure minorities getting more opportunities for coaching positions. I don't know what the answer is.
This is spot on. But people predicted this would happen back when it was implemented in 2002. I mean - it was obvious.
The way to avoid this, I would think, is to have more black owners but I think we all know the reality of that.
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Yeah, so having this conversation from this perspective is challenging. Not because I'm arguing from a position of weakness, I don't think I am, but because the emotionally charged nature of the subject handicaps my side. We're now in the era of "arguing against racism IS racism." Thankfully you and I go way back (and Skeever, as well), so I don't expect to have a problem, but it's still challenging.
No problems from me.
That having been said. . .
Maybe they're just less likely to be qualified? Not individually, but as a group, thus presenting fewer qualified applicants. I am not suggesting that there's some basis by which they're inadequate, but over the course of their lives, taking into account education and ambitions, perhaps it's just settled that way. And if this is the case, it's something we should very definitely address. I'm on the side of potential black coaches here. I just don't think blaming racism, an attitude, and calling the league a good ole boys club or a plantation system is the right argument to make.
Well, whether it's actually racist or not, I don't think there's any question that there is a side of the NFL that is and old boy's club.
And I'm not convinced myself that racism is the actual issue here. But then I look at someone like Sean McVay, who has certainly done great things with his opportunity, but what had he done to be worthy of getting that opportunity when he was the youngest person ever hired as an NFL head coach? What did he do to be deserving of that chance that other, seemingly more (or at least, AS) qualified coaches haven't done to get that chance? Am I saying he was hired because he was white? No, I'm not saying that. But after a non-descript college career, he went straight into coaching and got opportunity after opportunity, until he was offensive coordinator of known juggernaut the Washington Redskins before getting the Rams gig.
Meanwhile, we have (as just the most recent example) Eric Bieniemy, who had a stellar college career, and played in the NFL for 8 seasons. He then spent time as running backs coach at Minnesota, when Adrian Peterson led the league in rushing for several years. After returning to his alma mater to do some college coaching, he joined the Chiefs as running backs coach, and then got promoted to offensive coordinator in 2018, and the Chiefs have been one of the best offenses in the league ever since.
I'm just not sure why McVay gets that chance but Bieniemy doesn't.
Yeah these kind of things are great examples.
Maybe it's not due to racism, but the league is obviously functioning in a certain way that does not reflect what it claims to want to be. This could be due to a lot of things, some of the intentional, and I'd guess many of them unintentional. If the league really wants to be more diverse at all levels, it should be volunteering this kind of scrutiny, not waiting to get sued.
Maybe it's me, having worked for corporations my whole (adult) life, but you've never had a circumstance where you (or one of your co-workers) felt like you were entitled to an opportunity, but someone from the outside swoops in? I actually went through this about five years ago with GE. We had people in the industry (related to railroads) for decades, knew people, even developed products themselves, but GE senior management got enraptured by this guy that came in, maybe 35, never worked in the industry, only with the company about a year, but had a pedigree (first in his class at West Point). Someone somewhere labelled him a Hi-pot (High potential for senior management employee), and he got the job running our business. I'd love to tell you he failed spectacularly, but he didn't. Sure, he made some decisions I didn't agree with, but they were HIS decisions to make. And all the more senior people - some white, some black, some men, some women - have to move on and accept that that job wasn't theirs for whatever reason. Maybe it was the interview. Maybe it was a specific point in their background. Maybe it was just a feeling in the hiring managers eye. Maybe it was race. We're never going to know. This is the problem with an outcome based analysis.
It's not like McVay is a failure at his job. And it's not like Bieniemy comes with zero baggage or strings. We don't know how they interview, we don't know how they translate from the tactics of the coordinator role to the strategeries of the head coaching role... all we can see from the outside is "race" and that's a misleading (or at least incomplete) thing.
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Well, I don't know what "nose goes" means, but it shouldn't surprise you that I'm generally in disagreement on how we as a society handle corporations. We generally, from my point of view, ascribe too much reason and logic to things that aren't inherently based on reason and logic.
OK, but this is about how a corporation says it wants to handle itself. Clearly it's dumb Rooney Rule is not doing anything to make it more like the league it sells itself to be. So the fans who support the league have every right to drag it for failing to walk the walk when it comes to diversity.
But what IS the answer? Quotas? Mandates? How do you tell Bill Belichick he has to hire a BLACK person to be OC, instead of the BEST FIT person for OC?
I can only really think of one situation - Jacksonville - that defies logic on these grounds. If I didn't know who was who, or didn't know the color of the person involved, Flores wouldn't get an INTERVIEW from me as Giants head coach, and I would have gone with Daboll from day friggin' one (as the organization apparently did). It makes FOOTBALL SENSE, even if it doesn't make RACIAL sense. So how do you change that?
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I want the right answer as much as anyone...
I don't think you and Ibram X. Kendi want the same "right" answer.
Then I would argue it's not the right answer. We can debate who's wrong, but still.
I think this is playing the race card. Easily half my jobs in my life, I was the preferred candidate and I had to wait for the HR process to take it's course (post the job for a certain number of days, interview an appropriate number of people).
It drives me bonkers everything that has to happen for my wife to hire a para for her classroom. He identifies the person she wants to hire, she has worked in her classroom before and the kids know them, it is a perfect fir for her classroom. Yet once the position has been approved, it's posted for four weeks, then if more than one person applies, interviews which take several days due to scheduling. Just freaking hire the person you want for Pete's sake.
How is that any different than the Giants hiring their head coach? Or Belichick hiring his OC?
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Slightly paraphrasing, but Jordan Peterson has made it clear for years that equal opportunity will not always result in equal outcome, and I think that is a concept that is lost on many, to be honest. The spirit of the Rooney Rule is admirable, but its flaws are pretty clear at this point. There has to be a better way to ensure minorities getting more opportunities for coaching positions. I don't know what the answer is.
That is lost on most. That's probably the one aspect of these discussions that I encounter the most. And it's not limited to race; it's a part of life. I have lost MANY jobs where I was more qualified, more intelligent, and better looking than the candidate that got the job, but in that moment in time I could only count on the OPPORTUNITY to compete for that job, not the OUTCOME of the job itself. That's life in a nutshell.
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The outcomes will never be totally equal, but that should not prevent us from understanding what some kind of equal distribution would look like more often than not.
In a truly equitable world, if there are 32 coaching jobs on the table, and equality of opportunity really existed, you would expect to see whites in about 16 of those jobs, blacks in 3-4 of those jobs, hispanics in 6-8, asians in at least one, and a few assorted others. Of course, equality of outcome doesn't really exist, and could never exist. So we have to accept a range of potential outcomes as normal.
The NFL is not "normal", and what we see in the organization flies totally against any sort of equitable demographic range year after year. In fact it is suggestive of something much different, as there are currently 3 "minority" head coaches total, and almost everyone in every position up is white. Meanwhile, below the head coaching position, minorities of all types have greater representation on the staff of assistant coaches and then you get to the field itself where 70% of the players are black. The idea that this could happen year after year over decades in a world with true equality of opportunity is absurd.
I wouldn't be surprised to learn about deeply rooted cultural problems in the NFL, but I'm sure it also goes way beyond that. I have no idea what the NFL should do.
(https://www.cultureoutcomes.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/3E1D5231-413C-407D-BB66-F310BCE26BCA.jpeg)
Denial is the lowest rung of the ladder, which is where we were for years. Many are now more aware of what's going in the world but still planting themselves on the "We Can't" rung of the ladder. Perhaps they liked it better the old way and would rather not do anything to begin with. The NFL as a whole seems to be teetering between the lowest of the two accountable behaviors. As people in this thread have suggested, it seems like it's not longer a problem of determining what needs to happen, and more of figuring out how to to do it. I'm not really optimistic that much will change, but any conversation that forces the league and its billionaire owners to look themselves in the mirror regarding the type of league they are running is, at least, a start.
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The outcomes will never be totally equal, but that should not prevent us from understanding what some kind of equal distribution would look like more often than not.
In a truly equitable world, if there are 32 coaching jobs on the table, and equality of opportunity really existed, you would expect to see whites in about 16 of those jobs, blacks in 3-4 of those jobs, hispanics in 6-8, asians in at least one, and a few assorted others. Of course, equality of outcome doesn't really exist, and could never exist. So we have to accept a range of potential outcomes as normal.
No. That's the problem. No. There are a multitude of other variables at play here, most significantly, the racial makeup of the talent pool.
I wrote about this a couple months (maybe a couple years) ago now. There was a study in Connecticut about the racial profiling of police in traffic stops, and they cited a study of a specific series of stops over time that ALLEGEDLY showed that African Americans were stopped along this one road at a percentage over twice the percentage of African Americans in Connecticut. Of course, outrage! But then it came out that the ROAD that was used to conduct the study had a sort of demographic that wasn't consistent with that of the state in general; turns out that for the specific population spread ON THAT ROAD, African Americans were stopped at a LESSER rate.
The NFL is not "normal", and what we see in the organization flies totally against any sort of equitable demographic range year after year. In fact it is suggestive of something much different, as there are currently 3 "minority" head coaches total, and almost everyone in every position up is white. Meanwhile, below the head coaching position, minorities of all types have greater representation on the staff of assistant coaches and then you get to the field itself where 70% of the players are black. The idea that this could happen year after year over decades in a world with true equality of opportunity is absurd.
I wouldn't be surprised to learn about deeply rooted cultural problems in the NFL, but I'm sure it also goes way beyond that. I have no idea what the NFL should do.
(https://www.cultureoutcomes.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/3E1D5231-413C-407D-BB66-F310BCE26BCA.jpeg)
Denial is the lowest rung of the ladder, which is where we were for years. Many are now more aware of what's going in the world but still planting themselves on the "We Can't" rung of the ladder. Perhaps they liked it better the old way and would rather not do anything to begin with. The NFL as a whole seems to be teetering between the lowest of the two accountable behaviors. As people in this thread have suggested, it seems like it's not longer a problem of determining what needs to happen, and more of figuring out how to to do it. I'm not really optimistic that much will change, but any conversation that forces the league and its billionaire owners to look themselves in the mirror regarding the type of league they are running is, at least, a start.
Please stop with the generalizations, though. That's a shitty graphic because of it's implications; Bart said it earlier, to too many "talking about race IS racism". I don't subscribe to that; I want a healthy debate rooted in data and science and fact, not knee jerk "it seems wrong and if you don't agree you're in denial or living in 1972". There's nothing about me that should suggest that I like it any specific way; I am 100% an acknowledge and embrace reality kind of guy. What I want is the 32 best football coaches in the world at that time in charge of the 32 NFL teams. It may be that the 32 best coaches are all white. Or all black. Or some number in between. 32 is not a sample set that lends itself to a "13.5% calculation", especially when you factor in what I said above. If there are things we can do to improve the diversity of the talent pool, that sounds like a plan.
I've actually GIVEN solutions (in the past, in other threads), unlike most people complaining about the situation. It's just that those solutions demand hard work, don't play easily to the raw emotions around the issue, and take time. There aren't easy answers, and no snap of the finger (or filing of the lawsuit) is going to change that.
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Lawsuit filing: https://www.wigdorlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Complaint-against-National-Football-League-et-al-Filed.pdf
I only skimmed it so I guess I could be completely wrong, but to me these two paragraphs (134 and 135) I think characterize it best:
After the end of the 2019 season, Mr. Ross began to pressure Mr. Flores to recruit
a prominent quarterback in violation of League tampering rules. Mr. Flores repeatedly refused to
comply with these improper directives. Undeterred, in the winter of 2020, Mr. Ross invited Mr.
Flores onto a yacht for lunch. Shortly after he arrived, Mr. Ross told Mr. Flores that the
prominent quarterback was “conveniently” arriving at the marina. Obviously, Mr. Ross had
attempted to “set up” a purportedly impromptu meeting between Mr. Flores and the prominent
quarterback. Mr. Flores refused the meeting and left the yacht immediately. After the incident,
Mr. Flores was treated with disdain and held out as someone who was noncompliant and difficult
to work with.
Over the remaining year and a half of Mr. Flores tenure at the helm of the Miami
Dolphins, he was routinely made to feel uncomfortable based upon his decision not tank in order
to secure the top pick in the 2019 draft. Upon information and belief, no white Head Coach has
ever been subjected to such ridicule over winning and holding the spirt of the game in such high
regard. In fact, Mr. Flores was ultimately terminated and subsequently defamed throughout the
media and the League as he was labeled by the Dolphins brass as someone who was difficult to
work with. This is reflective of an all too familiar “angry black man” stigma that is often casted
upon Black men who are strong in their morals and convictions while white men are coined as
passionate.
You have a very serious accusation (an owner paying a coach under the table to tank) wrapped in a racial narrative supported only by rhetoric and implication.
Racial prejudice is an issue that deserves to be taken seriously. This lawsuit does nothing to address that. It is an Al Sharpton/Jesse Jacksonesque race hustle.
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Well reading through the thread I'll offer with some trepidation that everyone here seems to at least think that there should be more diversity at the HC position in the NFL. What's being bantered about is moreso the technical aspects, the "how" of it, whether Flores is moving things forward or not... all fair points. I'm really fine with that. We're not going to solve anything here, I'd just hope people who really want to see Flores fail can at least be sympathetic to some of the reasons why others support his cause so quickly out of the gate. After all, one would not be able to co-opt the racial narrative if it didn't pass the eye test so easily.
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I think it passes the test for some because some want it to be about race.
And that is not meant to say that race is not involved, but this "it's all about race" narrative every time anything happens is so out of hand and off the rails that it's ridiculous. Elway showing up a little late and hungover to an interview (which I would love to see some proof of that) is apparently a racist act now? Um, okay. :lol :lol :lol And I think that is the problem some are having with this whole thing. Marcellus Wiley, a former NFL player and a black man, said it well on FS1 today when he said that it sounds like Flores got in his feelings too much and that his feelings do not mean he was wronged in any kind of racial way.
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everyone here seems to at least think that there should be more diversity at the HC position in the NFL.
Not necessarily. For me, all I can say is: Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know. As with any other job, the person who is best should get it. And if they are black, white, red, purple, blue, or green, that shouldn't matter. Diversity for diversity's sake is not progress.
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:lol :lol :lol
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:rollin
(I would have said Ford Field in Detroit for certainty, but this one is better!)
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Fabulous!
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everyone here seems to at least think that there should be more diversity at the HC position in the NFL.
Not necessarily. For me, all I can say is: Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know. As with any other job, the person who is best should get it. And if they are black, white, red, purple, blue, or green, that shouldn't matter. Diversity for diversity's sake is not progress.
This comment really bothered me last night, but I couldn't really pinpoint why, because on the surface, there's nothing wrong with this statement at all.
But thinking more about it, the fact is, we already do have diversity. Our nation is unprecedented in that regard. And that is why the disparity continues to be bothersome - there's not much different from one another's nature when it comes to race. If there really was equality of opportunity, we would see that diversity reflected in all walks of life. But we don't. And factors beyond anyone's control or recognition could be helping cement the disparity. That's why so much is still "about race". Because while certain disparities seem to be reinforced, we'll always have race to talk about.
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:lol :lol :lol
And now, just want to enjoy the joke. Another Superbowl in the Meadowlands, anyone? :lol
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If there really was equality of opportunity, we would see that diversity reflected in all walks of life. But we don't.
But would we though? And should we? There are many more factors than just the proportions of any given race.
Kind of a silly example, but let's take a look at a barber shop. If you walked into a "black barber shop," would you expect to see the same diversity of clientele that you would see in society? The same proportion of white women that you see in society? The same proportion of Asian men? The same proportion of middle eastern men or women? On and on and on, and the answer is no. There are lots of reasons for that. Some good. Some bad. But lack of equality of opportunity is WAY down the list. First and foremost, that business is offering a service that is practically useless outside of the particular target demographic.
But that's kind of apples to oranges, so let's flip it around so we can get to a closer analogy. Let's say we are talking about the same barber shop, but now we are talking about the hiring of a stylist. And to keep things simple, let's say they have one opening and two applicants. Applicant 1 is a black man who has years of experience using primarily clippers to cut fades, lines, and other similar styles on black men. Applicant 2 is a Vietnamese woman (just picked that because we have a lot of Vietnamese ladies as stylists around here) who has years of experience in a salon doing all the latest French hairstyles on largely straight hair. That barber shop may love diversity, and everybody there, from the owner down to the guy who sweeps the floor and empties the trash, might not have a racist bone in their bodies. But we know who is getting that job, and it is not going to be any sort of reflection on society's demographics. It's going to be about who can better do the specific job at hand. And maybe if we switch up the qualifications, and it turns out that our lady spent years cutting hair in Harlem, and our guy's only experience was sneaking mom's clippers to give his little brother his haircuts in exchange for his lunch money, we might get a different result.
Lots of flaws with this analogy. And lots of variables, even when I tried to keep it relatively controlled and narrow. But the point is simply this: there are lots and lots and LOTS of situations where equal opportunity does not translate into an end result that is, purely by numbers, precisely reflective of overall society demographics and nothing else.
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Oh, I agree with you totally. Even with equality of opportunity, it's likely some groups would not always be represented well. Maybe some things aren't part of one group's traditions, for example there aren't really many Asian football players, but there are a ton of Asian baseball players. Likewise, hockey is generally pretty Anglo. But with football as it relates to blacks, I just don't see it the same.
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everyone here seems to at least think that there should be more diversity at the HC position in the NFL.
Not necessarily. For me, all I can say is: Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know. As with any other job, the person who is best should get it. And if they are black, white, red, purple, blue, or green, that shouldn't matter. Diversity for diversity's sake is not progress.
This comment really bothered me last night, but I couldn't really pinpoint why, because on the surface, there's nothing wrong with this statement at all.
But thinking more about it, the fact is, we already do have diversity. Our nation is unprecedented in that regard. And that is why the disparity continues to be bothersome - there's not much different from one another's nature when it comes to race. If there really was equality of opportunity, we would see that diversity reflected in all walks of life. But we don't. And factors beyond anyone's control or recognition could be helping cement the disparity. That's why so much is still "about race". Because while certain disparities seem to be reinforced, we'll always have race to talk about.
You keep saying that: "If there really was equality of opportunity, we would see that diversity reflected in all walks of life." That is not accurate.
Ninja'd by Bosk, but still. It's a faulty premise that is wrongly driving a lot of this narrative.
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I responded to Bosk. I agreed with Bosk in general, as it would apply to a lot of things, but definitely don't see that argument applying to the NFL.
I guess we've all said our parts and just see the world very differently. So uh, I guess there's a game on this weekend or something?
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So I got here to Florida from SoCal on Dec. 1, went to the DMV (Tax Collectors office here) and got some cool plates. At the time the clerk tried about 10 different Rams variation plates but all were taken. SO! A couple weeks later I got on the website and tried to get clever and find something Rams I could use. After about 30 variations I just happen to type in a very simple one... and I could not BELIEVE that it was actually available! I actually triple checked it and was still expecting the clerk to tell me when I went in that it was not available.... yet again it was. Plate arrived today, how could it be anymore perfect timing!!!!!!!
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Nice! You are officially a florida man though
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Nice! You are officially a florida man though
It's an adjustment for sure but LOVING it so far!!!
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Well, it looks like Lovie Smith is the 1st person to benefit from the class action lawsuit. Whether he's the right man for the Texans job or not. Diversity for diversity's sake huh?
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Well, it looks like Lovie Smith is the 1st person to benefit from the class action lawsuit. Whether he's the right man for the Texans job or not. Diversity for diversity's sake huh?
I don't see it that way. I think Lovie was hired because the Texans will get compensatory draft picks for hiring a black person so they can go through a quicker rebuilding process. If they don't win immediately, he'll be gone after 2 years. I never liked Lovie as a head coach.
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It's a legit hire, though; he was the team's DC, and he's a good coach having taken the Bears to the Super Bowl. It's unfortunate now, though that he will perhaps be known for the TIMING of his hire, not the QUALITY of his hire.
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Well, it looks like Lovie Smith is the 1st person to benefit from the class action lawsuit. Whether he's the right man for the Texans job or not. Diversity for diversity's sake huh?
I don't see it that way. I think Lovie was hired because the Texans will get compensatory draft picks for hiring a black person so they can go through a quicker rebuilding process. If they don't win immediately, he'll be gone after 2 years. I never liked Lovie as a head coach.
There's really no other way to see it. Texans GM was originally going to pick Josh McCown. Then, he pivoted based on the Flores issue that came up last week. The writing is on the wall.
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Lovie was a massive failure in his recent college stint. He had some success before as an NFL coach, but it's been awhile. Kind of hard to say if he is / isn't deserving of a NFL head coaching job. His recent failures make me think not. He hasn't been apart of a winning team in 10 years.
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Lovie was a massive failure in his recent college stint. He had some success before as an NFL coach, but it's been awhile. Kind of hard to say if he is / isn't deserving of a NFL head coaching job. His recent failures make me think not. He hasn't been apart of a winning team in 10 years.
And yet, as somebody recently pointed out, how many white coaches get shot after shot despite being pretty bad at actually coaching?
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Lovie was a massive failure in his recent college stint. He had some success before as an NFL coach, but it's been awhile. Kind of hard to say if he is / isn't deserving of a NFL head coaching job. His recent failures make me think not. He hasn't been apart of a winning team in 10 years.
And yet, as somebody recently pointed out, how many white coaches get shot after shot despite being pretty bad at actually coaching?
*Cough Cough* Josh McDaniels.
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Lovie was a massive failure in his recent college stint. He had some success before as an NFL coach, but it's been awhile. Kind of hard to say if he is / isn't deserving of a NFL head coaching job. His recent failures make me think not. He hasn't been apart of a winning team in 10 years.
And yet, as somebody recently pointed out, how many white coaches get shot after shot despite being pretty bad at actually coaching?
Usually those white guys have some redemption arc where they were back to being successful somewhere else at a coordinator level but maybe there are examples I can't think of where they were on a losing team for 10 years (or out of coaching) and still got a head coach gig.
*Cough Cough* Josh McDaniels.
Certainly not defending him (I think his success is from other's like Brady/Belicheck), but after an unsuccessful head coaching run, he went back to OC of the Patriots and won a Superbowl in 2018. Getting another shot doesn't seem the same now as Lovie IMO.
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It's a legit hire, though; he was the team's DC, and he's a good coach having taken the Bears to the Super Bowl. It's unfortunate now, though that he will perhaps be known for the TIMING of his hire, not the QUALITY of his hire.
Yep. By saying he was only hired because of this Brian Flores stuff is actually insulting to Lovie Smith and demeans the legit hire of a black man. Lovie Smith has won in the NFL. Hell, he made it to a Super Bowl with Rex Grossman!! He is a legit head coach who earned this new job.
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Marc, talking head coach. We'll see with McDaniels this run but he failed his 1st time around as head coach.
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Well, it looks like Lovie Smith is the 1st person to benefit from the class action lawsuit. Whether he's the right man for the Texans job or not. Diversity for diversity's sake huh?
I don't see it that way. I think Lovie was hired because the Texans will get compensatory draft picks for hiring a black person so they can go through a quicker rebuilding process. If they don't win immediately, he'll be gone after 2 years. I never liked Lovie as a head coach.
There's really no other way to see it. Texans GM was originally going to pick Josh McCown. Then, he pivoted based on the Flores issue that came up last week. The writing is on the wall.
Bingo!
It's a legit hire, though; he was the team's DC, and he's a good coach having taken the Bears to the Super Bowl. It's unfortunate now, though that he will perhaps be known for the TIMING of his hire, not the QUALITY of his hire.
Yep. By saying he was only hired because of this Brian Flores stuff is actually insulting to Lovie Smith and demeans the legit hire of a black man. Lovie Smith has won in the NFL. Hell, he made it to a Super Bowl with Rex Grossman!! He is a legit head coach who earned this new job.
While I respect what Lovie has accomplished in the past, it's pretty telling that Lovie wasn't interviewed until after it was reported that Flores and McCown were the finalists.
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Nice! You are officially a florida man though
I was a Florida man for almost 30 years and I would move back in a heartbeat if I could WFH full time. I miss Florida.
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Nice! You are officially a florida man though
I was a Florida man for almost 30 years and I would move back in a heartbeat if I could WFH full time. I miss Florida.
Where are you guys now (or from) in Florida? I have fam on the southwest coast, and work on the east coast (midway, near Cape Canaveral). I go both ways on Florida; if set up right it could be AWESOME. I might end up in a serious case of road rage at some point though.
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My brother in law just moved to Florida. Somewhere around Orlando. He's a golf pro.
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I could never see myself living where my parents do in Jacksonville. If I ever became a Florida man, it would have to be in the Tampa or Miami areas. And even then, I think it would be around retirement age that I'd get the most out of living down there. My little sister and her family are moving down to the Jacksonville area. It's a great move for them (lower cost of living being most important, but that area has good schools too). It's just going to be very hard for me to want to leave my nice little hotspot of concerts and things always going on between NYC and Philly.
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My brother in law just moved to Florida. Somewhere around Orlando. He's a golf pro.
He is? Jesus, he looks like a pro wrestler!
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My brother in law just moved to Florida. Somewhere around Orlando. He's a golf pro.
He is? Jesus, he looks like a pro wrestler!
That's MY brother. Yeah, big boy. 6'7".
I'm talking about my wife's brother. Hence, brother in law.
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My brother in law just moved to Florida. Somewhere around Orlando. He's a golf pro.
He is? Jesus, he looks like a pro wrestler!
That's MY brother. Yeah, big boy. 6'7".
I'm talking about my wife's brother. Hence, brother in law.
Yeah Hef. Joe not only can't spell, but he apparently can't read either..
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Just read this paragraph on a football site:
Anyway, sure, copy the Bengals blueprint: finish dead-last, draft a quarterback as good as Burrow, nearly sack him into a wheelchair as a rookie, pick the best receiver prospect since Randy Moss the next year, grab some defensive free agents to build a league-average unit, hope your two divisional powerhouses simultaneously collapse, get hot in the playoffs, hope the conference powerhouse self-destructs when it's about to take a 28-10 lead, win Super Bowl. An airtight, logical plan.
Really hoping the Rams play to their potential and shut the mouth of that arrogant snot Burrow.
:D
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I was chatting about this yesterday; here's hoping that it's like a 56-55 shootout, Stafford throws for 550 yards, eight touchdowns, and no interceptions, but the Rams lose on a late OBJ fumble and return for a touchdown.
I like Matthew Stafford, I like Burrow but not ready for his induction into Canton just yet, and despise OBJ who shouldn't be rewarded for his selfishness.
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I was chatting about this yesterday; here's hoping that it's like a 56-55 shootout, Stafford throws for 550 yards, eight touchdowns, and no interceptions, but the Rams lose on a late OBJ fumble and return for a touchdown.
I like Matthew Stafford, I like Burrow but not ready for his induction into Canton just yet, and despise OBJ who shouldn't be rewarded for his selfishness.
I'm sure you were as happy as I was that he didn't sign in NE. The very fact that he declined because TB was no longer there made him a bad fit.
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I was chatting about this yesterday; here's hoping that it's like a 56-55 shootout, Stafford throws for 550 yards, eight touchdowns, and no interceptions, but the Rams lose on a late OBJ fumble and return for a touchdown.
I like Matthew Stafford, I like Burrow but not ready for his induction into Canton just yet, and despise OBJ who shouldn't be rewarded for his selfishness.
I'm sure you were as happy as I was that he didn't sign in NE. The very fact that he declined because TB was no longer there made him a bad fit.
100%.
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I must be spacing out on this selfishness of OBJ. In hindsight he was right about Cleveland, and agreed to join a team already set at WR to try to win a championship.
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I don't get that either. Beckham is a diva, but not a raging a-hole like A Brown, who was rewarded with a ring last year thanks to his pal TB12.
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I don't get that either. Beckham is a diva, but not a raging a-hole like A Brown, who was rewarded with a ring last year thanks to his pal TB12.
He definitely used to come off as quite the asshole, but it seems to manifest itself less with each year. I haven't really seen any of it since he joined the Rams.
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I don't get that either. Beckham is a diva, but not a raging a-hole like A Brown, who was rewarded with a ring last year thanks to his pal TB12.
He definitely used to come off as quite the asshole, but it seems to manifest itself less with each year. I haven't really seen any of it since he joined the Rams.
Probably because they're winning. It seems to me he was a malcontent with this first two teams, and that's a bad sign. He's just never struck me as a team player. I get that receivers have to have a certain diva quality to them, but it still needs to be team first. He's just never looked that way to me, though I could be wrong. Had he decided to join NE, and he claims Bill nearly convinced him, I've no doubt he would have caused issues there with the way Cam was playing.
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I don't get that either. Beckham is a diva, but not a raging a-hole like A Brown, who was rewarded with a ring last year thanks to his pal TB12.
He definitely used to come off as quite the asshole, but it seems to manifest itself less with each year. I haven't really seen any of it since he joined the Rams.
Probably because they're winning. It seems to me he was a malcontent with this first two teams, and that's a bad sign. He's just never struck me as a team player. I get that receivers have to have a certain diva quality to them, but it still needs to be team first. He's just never looked that way to me, though I could be wrong. Had he decided to join NE, and he claims Bill nearly convinced him, I've no doubt he would have caused issues there with the way Cam was playing.
Yeah, probably so.
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The nice thing about my team not being in the Superb Owl is that I can watch the game without raising my blood pressure.
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I don't get that either. Beckham is a diva, but not a raging a-hole like A Brown, who was rewarded with a ring last year thanks to his pal TB12.
He definitely used to come off as quite the asshole, but it seems to manifest itself less with each year. I haven't really seen any of it since he joined the Rams.
Probably because they're winning. It seems to me he was a malcontent with this first two teams, and that's a bad sign. He's just never struck me as a team player. I get that receivers have to have a certain diva quality to them, but it still needs to be team first. He's just never looked that way to me, though I could be wrong. Had he decided to join NE, and he claims Bill nearly convinced him, I've no doubt he would have caused issues there with the way Cam was playing.
And that's enough for me. Over 20-some-odd years, it has never been a "Bill has to convince me" scenario in New England; quite the opposite. It's a team, and to preserve the notion that the 53rd player is as important as the 1st player (for the most part, Tom Brady), it's a "privilege" to play for New England. The fact that OBJ had doubts about playing for the greatest coach of all time, and having the most consistent, over time, chance of winning of virtually any team in the league, says all you need to know about OBJ for me.
ANY time a receiver raises the spectre of "targets" my spider senses start tingling. That's DK Metcalk in Seattle; I remember* it was a Monday night game, I believe, and DK Metcalf - a world class athlete, by the way - had no "touches" in the first half and started to mope. By the third quarter or so, his moping became a distraction and Carroll (or maybe it was Wilson) started to force the ball to him, and boom, INT with a runback for a touchdown and the 'Hawks lost the game.
* if I have the deets wrong, bear with me, but that's my recollection, imperfect as it is. The point was, Metcalf put his touches ahead of the team and the team suffered for it. Not my kind of player.
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I don't get that either. Beckham is a diva, but not a raging a-hole like A Brown, who was rewarded with a ring last year thanks to his pal TB12.
He definitely used to come off as quite the asshole, but it seems to manifest itself less with each year. I haven't really seen any of it since he joined the Rams.
Probably because they're winning. It seems to me he was a malcontent with this first two teams, and that's a bad sign. He's just never struck me as a team player. I get that receivers have to have a certain diva quality to them, but it still needs to be team first. He's just never looked that way to me, though I could be wrong. Had he decided to join NE, and he claims Bill nearly convinced him, I've no doubt he would have caused issues there with the way Cam was playing.
And that's enough for me. Over 20-some-odd years, it has never been a "Bill has to convince me" scenario in New England; quite the opposite. It's a team, and to preserve the notion that the 53rd player is as important as the 1st player (for the most part, Tom Brady), it's a "privilege" to play for New England. The fact that OBJ had doubts about playing for the greatest coach of all time, and having the most consistent, over time, chance of winning of virtually any team in the league, says all you need to know about OBJ for me.
ANY time a receiver raises the spectre of "targets" my spider senses start tingling. That's DK Metcalk in Seattle; I remember* it was a Monday night game, I believe, and DK Metcalf - a world class athlete, by the way - had no "touches" in the first half and started to mope. By the third quarter or so, his moping became a distraction and Carroll (or maybe it was Wilson) started to force the ball to him, and boom, INT with a runback for a touchdown and the 'Hawks lost the game.
* if I have the deets wrong, bear with me, but that's my recollection, imperfect as it is. The point was, Metcalf put his touches ahead of the team and the team suffered for it. Not my kind of player.
I remember that exchange with DK. But it was much worse than a Monday night football game. It was their playoff loss to the Rams last year.
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It's a team, and to preserve the notion that the 53rd player is as important as the 1st player (for the most part, Tom Brady), it's a "privilege" to play for New England. The fact that OBJ had doubts about playing for the greatest coach of all time, and having the most consistent, over time, chance of winning of virtually any team in the league, says all you need to know about OBJ for me.
That is an overly romanticized view of things. This is professional football. The 53rd player is NEVER as important as the 1st player, at NE or anywhere else. And it's a JOB to play for New England. There's a lot that goes into being a professional football player, and winning Super Bowls is not the only important part.
I don't think OBJ would have been a good fit either, but Belichik obviously did, and he knows more than you and me and everyone else put together.
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It's a team, and to preserve the notion that the 53rd player is as important as the 1st player (for the most part, Tom Brady), it's a "privilege" to play for New England. The fact that OBJ had doubts about playing for the greatest coach of all time, and having the most consistent, over time, chance of winning of virtually any team in the league, says all you need to know about OBJ for me.
That is an overly romanticized view of things. This is professional football. The 53rd player is NEVER as important as the 1st player, at NE or anywhere else. And it's a JOB to play for New England. There's a lot that goes into being a professional football player, and winning Super Bowls is not the only important part.
I don't think OBJ would have been a good fit either, but Belichik obviously did, and he knows more than you and me and everyone else put together.
Belichick would have given him a chance, but only one. Same as Moss and Brown. The first time he caused even the slightest commotion he'd have been gone, and my hunch is that would have been within 4 weeks.
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The nice thing about my team not being in the Superb Owl is that I can watch the game without raising my blood pressure.
Opposite for me. The prospect of either of these two teams winning disgusts me, so I probably won't be watching.
That was kind of the double edged sword of this past championship weekend. My team, and 3 of the most despised NFL teams remaining as the final 4. So I had the double rooting interest in wanting the '9ers to win, as far as rooting for them, as well as rooting against the other remaining teams. Down side (the other edge of the sword) is, if they lose last week, which they did, I have zero interest in seeing any of the other teams left win it.
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The nice thing about my team not being in the Superb Owl is that I can watch the game without raising my blood pressure.
Opposite for me. The prospect of either of these two teams winning disgusts me, so I probably won't be watching.
That was kind of the double edged sword of this past championship weekend. My team, and 3 of the most despised NFL teams remaining as the final 4. So I had the double rooting interest in wanting the '9ers to win, as far as rooting for them, as well as rooting against the other remaining teams. Down side (the other edge of the sword) is, if they lose last week, which they did, I have zero interest in seeing any of the other teams left win it.
Why would a Niners fan despise the Bengals -- a team that the Niners beat twice in the Super Bowl over 30 years ago and which, since that time, has been largely an NFL bottom feeder? I would think that Niners fans would be almost universally be pulling for the Bengals to beat their division rival (much as I'd pull for the Niners to beat the Raiders if that ever happened).
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I mean, at the end of the day, they're the least offensive team. But that said, they're still the Bengals.
It's kind of like saying, "where would you rather live? L.A. or Cincinnati?" I mean, you can make a decision, but you're still screwed either way because you have to actually live in one of those places.
...okay, maybe I'm sort of kidding with that analogy. :biggrin:
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IDK. I love for the Bengals to win for their fanbase. To see more SF fans in LA makes me want to root against them. Not because I hate SF. I actually like them. Just that fan base does not deserve a Championship.
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I've never really bought into that argument. I don't get the sentiment that a fanbase "deserves" a championship.
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I've never really bought into that argument. I don't get the sentiment that a fanbase "deserves" a championship.
I wasn't arguing with you on it but my 2 cents, that fan base has been there through some bad times. Faithful. LA continually loses teams. Maybe there's just too much to do in L.A. but that's just my thoughts.
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It's a team, and to preserve the notion that the 53rd player is as important as the 1st player (for the most part, Tom Brady), it's a "privilege" to play for New England. The fact that OBJ had doubts about playing for the greatest coach of all time, and having the most consistent, over time, chance of winning of virtually any team in the league, says all you need to know about OBJ for me.
That is an overly romanticized view of things. This is professional football. The 53rd player is NEVER as important as the 1st player, at NE or anywhere else. And it's a JOB to play for New England. There's a lot that goes into being a professional football player, and winning Super Bowls is not the only important part.
I don't think OBJ would have been a good fit either, but Belichik obviously did, and he knows more than you and me and everyone else put together.
I won't argue with you; it's never as black and white as it seems. But I think Barto is right; Belichick is going to take advantage of any opportunity, but he's not going to jeopardize the organization to do it.
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I mean, at the end of the day, they're the least offensive team. But that said, they're still the Bengals.
It's kind of like saying, "where would you rather live? L.A. or Cincinnati?" I mean, you can make a decision, but you're still screwed either way because you have to actually live in one of those places.
...okay, maybe I'm sort of kidding with that analogy. :biggrin:
Well...exactly. It's sort of like hating the New Orleans Pelicans or the Milwaukee Brewers or the Winnipeg Jets. These are some of the least offensive teams in all of sports (mostly because they have a history of mediocrity). As far as living in Cincinnati...never been, but I can't really imagine living anywhere without relatively easy ocean access. And, while living in LA proper (or most parts of LA County) would be abhorrent, it at least beats certain areas to the north. :biggrin:
I've never really bought into that argument. I don't get the sentiment that a fanbase "deserves" a championship.
I wasn't arguing with you on it but my 2 cents, that fan base has been there through some bad times. Faithful. LA continually loses teams. Maybe there's just too much to do in L.A. but that's just my thoughts.
That's been one of the big topics on sports talk radio over the last couple weeks. The Rams returned, but only a relatively small fraction of the market cared and, despite having been to Super Bowl ZZZ a few years ago, the market still hasn't really latched on to them. It's not so much that there's so much to do around here, but that's part of it, and with a history of winning teams, the market is quick to ignore a team that doesn't win. A win on Sunday will go a rather LONG way toward entrenching the Rams back into the market (not that I care).
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I definitely can see that. I remember visiting my buddy in 1991. He lived in Cypress. Every day there was a place to go. Didn't hit all I wanted to see.
That traffic in L.A. 6 lane highway traffic jam at 10:30pm was horrific!
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Because of Stafford, I'm pulling for the 'road' team.
Saw this on 'Around the Horn' today. Sorry, but as a former Michigander, I'd buy it.
(https://i.etsystatic.com/25563970/r/il/39ebdb/3709899449/il_794xN.3709899449_jo5c.jpg)
Oh, and then there's Jonathan Allen :facepalm:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33254443/washington-commanders-dt-jonathan-allen-apologizes-saying-dine-hitler
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It's sort of like hating the New Orleans Pelicans or the Milwaukee Brewers or the Winnipeg Jets. These are some of the least offensive teams in all of sports (mostly because they have a history of mediocrity).
Well, I agree with your point in general. But the bolded does not apply to the Bengals.
And, while living in LA proper (or most parts of LA County) would be abhorrent, it at least beats certain areas to the north. :biggrin:
To a degree, I don't overly disagree, depending on which "areas to the north" we are talking about. :biggrin: But unless one is predisposed (or...post-disposed? Is that a thing?) to hate Johnny Cash, I don't think my particular area would fall into the "abhorrent" category for most people.
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Predictions?
I will say 27-13 Rams.
It feels like the only way the Bengals can win is if Stafford turns it over early, they get a lead, and can run Mixon a lot. I just don't see how their subpar o-line holds up against the Rams pass rush if they have to throw it a lot. It just feels like a game where we will hear the names "Aaron Donald" and "Von Miller" a lot.
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Was just thinking I haven't seen a prediction here yet. My hunch, not a hot take, that the Bengals fantastic run will run out of steam. They will keep it from being a blow-out, but it won't really ever feel like a close game.
Also, since someone brought up DK Metcalf, yes that was pretty bad from a local standpoint. Objectively, he should be getting more targets. Troy Aikman said so repeatedly, and you can bet DK is aware of that. But you address that in the meeting room. We here in Seattle have been hearing about Russell Wilson and his "legacy" for too damn long now.
And yes the Bengals are one of the least offensive teams in pro sports. How can a team with 2 championship game losses followed by 3 decades of mediocrity be offensive? Quick, name 5 former Bengals players.
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I think it's more fun to consider the fact that despite both having a regular season record under .500 for their career, the winning QB of tomorrow's game will have more postseason wins this century than the Dallas Cowboys. :lol :lol :lol
These fun facts poking fun at the Cowboys playoff futility continue to crack me up. :biggrin: :biggrin:
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It’s weird hearing people knock the actual city of Cincinnati. I have not traveled that much, but I’ve talked to many people who have and when I ask what the most beautiful cities in the country are, most people say San Diego. But I often hear Cincinnati mentioned. IDK…I guess I always imagined it as somewhat the opposite of Cleveland. :rollin
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Was just thinking I haven't seen a prediction here yet. My hunch, not a hot take, that the Bengals fantastic run will run out of steam. They will keep it from being a blow-out, but it won't really ever feel like a close game.
Also, since someone brought up DK Metcalf, yes that was pretty bad from a local standpoint. Objectively, he should be getting more targets. Troy Aikman said so repeatedly, and you can bet DK is aware of that. But you address that in the meeting room. We here in Seattle have been hearing about Russell Wilson and his "legacy" for too damn long now.
And yes the Bengals are one of the least offensive teams in pro sports. How can a team with 2 championship game losses followed by 3 decades of mediocrity be offensive? Quick, name 5 former Bengals players.
Off the top of my head, Esiason, Icky Woods, James Brooks, Tim Krumrie, Anthony Munoz, and Lee Johnson, for good measure. :biggrin:
The Bengals as an organization are quite inoffensive. Nothing to dislike about them. At the same time, one particular lineup did a great deal to hurt their cause. It's hard to to associate them with Burfict and PacMan Jones blowing the playoff game for them, and Marv Lewis's "what am I supposed to do about it? I'm just he coach."
And I just remembered Rodney Holeman. Good tight end.
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Ken Anderson!! Grew up watching him!
IIRC, first QB to finish the regular season with a <70% completion percentage.
Lost SB16 to Joe Montana, but still a legend.
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And is everyone forgetting Chris Collinsworth himself? He was a WR on that same Super Bowl team!
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Went ahead and made my pizza order and scheduled it for tomorrow.
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And yes the Bengals are one of the least offensive teams in pro sports. How can a team with 2 championship game losses followed by 3 decades of mediocrity be offensive? Quick, name 5 former Bengals players.
??? What does championship game losses and mediocrity have to do with anything?
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Something that may make more sense in my head. :) They are a franchise that has just been... there. They haven't had much success, they haven't been legendarily bad. They have had a few big name players (thanks for playing El Barto!) but not a roster of HoFers. I was just echoing what pg said. I just didn't get the meaning of "...they're still the Bengals."
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I can name a ton of former Bengals, but remember that I have been playing fantasy football off and on since 1996, so that is probably cheating a bit. ;)
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I can name a ton of former Bengals, but remember that I have been playing fantasy football off and on since 1996, so that is probably cheating a bit. ;)
Has fantasy been around that long?
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The league I was in started either 96 or 97, and it's still around. I've got draft boards in a closet somewhere dating back to 98, I think. I remember demolishing the league in our second or third year with Marshall Faulk and Stephen Jackson. Fifteen minutes into the early games I'd already have an insurmountable lead. :lol
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And yes the Bengals are one of the least offensive teams in pro sports. How can a team with 2 championship game losses followed by 3 decades of mediocrity be offensive?
Losing is offensive.
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And, while living in LA proper (or most parts of LA County) would be abhorrent, it at least beats certain areas to the north. :biggrin:
To a degree, I don't overly disagree, depending on which "areas to the north" we are talking about. :biggrin: But unless one is predisposed (or...post-disposed? Is that a thing?) to hate Johnny Cash, I don't think my particular area would fall into the "abhorrent" category for most people.
Not at all. You guys have conveniently located river rafting!
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Some Super Bowl fun facts.
No Super Bowl winning coach had a career losing record.
Only five losing coaches had career losing records (Gregg, Wyche, Callahan, Whisenhunt and K. Shanahan).
All three coaches who took the Bengals to the Super Bowl had/have career losing records.
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Quick, name 5 former Bengals players.
Off the top of my head...
Ken Anderson
Boobie Clark (any lawyer should remember this guy from torts class)
Archie Griffin
Coy Bacon (between him and Clark, the Bengals had the funniest roster names from the first year I collected football cards)
Isaac Curtis
Ken Riley
Dan Ross (his record for most catches in a Super Bowl lasted 35 years, and he would have been the MVP of SB16 had the Bengals defense not gagged away the game)
Pat McInally
Anthony Munoz
Boomer Esiason
Ickey Woods
Cris Collinsworth
Carson Palmer
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Predictions?
I will say 27-13 Rams.
It feels like the only way the Bengals can win is if Stafford turns it over early, they get a lead, and can run Mixon a lot. I just don't see how their subpar o-line holds up against the Rams pass rush if they have to throw it a lot. It just feels like a game where we will hear the names "Aaron Donald" and "Von Miller" a lot.
I think this is right. I’d like to see Cincy win it, but this is how I’d bet.
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Yeah Kev. My heart wants the Bengals but my brain tells me Rams.
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Going with the Rams 27-20....but a Bengals win would in no way surprise me.
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Someone please tell Dwayne Johnson to shut the fuck up! Holy crap....
Also, the planes from the flyover just flew over my house (they came from the Joint Forces Training Base a few miles away). My dog is not happy.
Also also, what's the point of having someone sign the National Anthem when (a) everyone knows the words and (b) she's barely on screen?
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I'm rooting for the Bengals. A coworker from my last job who I've stayed friends with is the rare Irishman who absolutely loves American football and the Bengals are his team, so why not. Plus, if they win I can at least say the Jets beat the Super Bowl champions this season :lol
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Someone please tell Dwayne Johnson to shut the fuck up! Holy crap....
That was SO silly and over the top. :lol I loved it.
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My 10 year old said "uh, why is The Rock on the field?"
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Yeah, I always enjoy Dwayne doing his schtick.
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I know first drive isn't everything but bad sign for Bengals.
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Great catch by Chase.
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Someone please tell Dwayne Johnson to shut the fuck up! Holy crap....
I was on the patio and thought it was that awful stadium announcer. I was crestfallen. When I came in and saw who it was I said, definitely for the first time ever, "Oh, good, it's just The Rock."
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Anyone have thoughts on Meta ad?
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Anyone have thoughts on Meta ad?
Yeah...I don't get it.
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Anyone have thoughts on Meta ad?
Yeah...I don't get it.
Etched on your tombstone.
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Anyone have thoughts on Meta ad?
So Meta I didn't even notice it.
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Anyone have thoughts on Meta ad?
Yeah...I don't get it.
Etched on your tombstone.
I know what you mean in terms of, not understanding new technology is a great way to get left behind.
But I had no idea what story the Meta ad was trying to sell me. I just know watching the animatronic animal almost get crushed in a machine press was depressing. Bad emotional association.
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Anyone have thoughts on Meta ad?
Yeah...I don't get it.
Etched on your tombstone.
:lol
I know what you mean in terms of, not understanding new technology
You have no idea, brother! :lol
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Reap, that's just me shitting on TAC. :lol
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Interesting that Cupp and Higgens just ran the same route for their TD catches.
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Halfback pass was a perfect play call there. Safety bit hard.
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Liking this game a lot so far. Good back and forth enough scoring to be interesting but defense actually matters.
Reap, that's just me shitting on TAC. :lol
I know but I needed to turn it into some kind of intellectual point don't take this away from me man.
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A trivial Super Bowl first: that a team has no numbers on their shoulder pads or sleeves. Actually, both... guilty of the high school 'too costly to pay for them' syndrome
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Should we have a separate thread for the commercials? Because I thought that Uber eats ad with the Gwyneth Paltrow cameo was absolutely hilarious!! :rollin :rollin :rollin
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J-Dude...I'm glad you liked it.
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... I said, definitely for the first time ever, "Oh, good, it's just The Rock."
:lol
Should we have a separate thread for the commercials?
If we can also have a separate thread for the halftime show.
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I'm not much of an OBJ fan, but I feel bad for him now. That really sucks.
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For sure El Barto.
Feels like missed opportunities for the Rams.
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That pass at the end was... exactly the thing the Rams were hoping wouldn't happen
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Bengals play calling on offense has been really smart, as they getting it out fast on most of their pass plays, instead of having Burrow stand back there and wait for plays to develop. With the Rams pass rush, very wise.
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I'm not much of an OBJ fan, but I feel bad for him now. That really sucks.
I don't know. I feel worse for the other guys on his team that haven't acted like toolbags for most of their careers. They lost a key player.
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Need to see a roll call of all the half time performance doubters, this rocks
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I am not watching the halftime show, as there isn't a single artist there I give a crap about. Volume on the TV goes back up when the game resumes. :tup :tup
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It was fine, whatever.
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Holy crap
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Muted it after 30 seconds. I liked the design, though. Good idea.
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Huge shift of momentum in the game.
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*goes out during halftime to grab a last minute Valentine's day gift. Will get back in time, I'm certain.
Just got home... Hope I didn't miss anything...
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Felt bad for all the fans on the side of the field that couldn't see most of the half time show :lol
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Felt bad for all the fans on the side of the field that couldn't see most of the half time show :lol
:lol
I know. I was thinking the same thing.
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I resigned myself to the fact that music I love won't be part of the halftime show when they didn't book Metallica in San Francisco a few years ago. I have to say tonight's show was well executed and seemed more like an actual live performance than most halftime shows in recent memory.
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Need to see a roll call of all the half time performance doubters, this rocks
Snoop Dogg, Eminimen and Dr Dre are classic rock at this point, in way. Performing songs that are all 20+ years old. Even the movie 8 mile came out 2002 :o
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Might be a rough night for reinjuring ACLs
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Burrow didn't look like an ACL. Also he'd know if that's what it was. Hopefully he's back in, because it'll be a real downer if this game ends without him.
Also, looking at the play he got hurt, he's real lucky he didn't get Tim Krumried (that one's for Chris).
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(https://i.postimg.cc/G3DkKdbS/20220213-204612.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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:rollin
Jennifer Lopez is so overrated.
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Anyone have thoughts on Meta ad?
Yeah...I don't get it.
I had no idea what this was a reference to. I googled, and I saw the commercial. It was a commercial for VR goggles, no?
Need to see a roll call of all the half time performance doubters, this rocks
I had no interest and didn't watch even a second (which is pretty much true of every halftime show that doesn't involve marching bands).
*goes out during halftime to grab a last minute Valentine's day gift. Will get back in time, I'm certain.
Just got home... Hope I didn't miss anything...
A couple years ago, I left the house when the second quarter clock hit 0:00, went to In 'n' Out and got back just in time for the second half kick off.
That non-call on Bengals touchdown should be everything needed to get the NFL to add a booth official who can call penalties.
And now Stafford just overthrew a WIDE OPEN receiver in the back of the end zone.
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Well, the bad call was given back at a critical time in the game.
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Jefferson was wide open on that 1st and Goal.
That defensive holding had to be a makeup call for the facemask not called on Higgens.
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The flags have come alive
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The flags have come alive
Just thinking the same thing.
If the Rams score here, we'll be looking at the Bengals marching down for a game tying field goal.
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That defensive holding had to be a makeup call for the facemask not called on Higgens.
Got that vibe.
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Huge letdown by the Bengals D on this drive. The Rams' O has been sputtering the whole game.
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Your move Burrow
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Nice way to start the drive.
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Ball game.
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Aaron Donald with his Super Bowl moment.
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Hell of game.
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Aaron Donald with his Super Bowl moment.
MVP??
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This has been a pretty incredible playoff year. Every one of the last seven games down to the wire.
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I remember years ago when people were saying Stafford would be out the league because he was made of glass
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Aaron Donald with his Super Bowl moment.
MVP??
Hard to say.
Not Stafford.
I thought it might be Beckham before he got injured.
Donald was held in check most of the game.
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Great game.
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And then there's this...
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/13/brian-flores-will-amend-his-lawsuit-to-include-a-claim-against-the-texans-for-retaliation/?partner=MSN
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Think that Kupp will get MVP but I wouldn't mind Stafford getting it. One of them picks was 100 percent on the WR.
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And then there's this...
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/13/brian-flores-will-amend-his-lawsuit-to-include-a-claim-against-the-texans-for-retaliation/?partner=MSN
lol couldn't even wait until the post game show ended
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Feels like Kupp, Donald or Stafford could be the MVP. I won't quibble with any winning it.
That disastrous first minute of the second half is the only reason it was close. Rams D dominated that 2nd half.
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Give me a break. The bias makes me sick. If Brady had led that game-winning drive the slobbering would have never stopped and he would have been de facto MVP. Thrilled for Stafford regardless. McVay did his best to lose the game but Matt wouldn’t let him.
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^^ Well, look who has someone living in their head rent-free when no one mentioned the guy in question at all during this game.
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Give me a break. The bias makes me sick. If Brady had led that game-winning drive the slobbering would have never stopped and he would have been de facto MVP. Thrilled for Stafford regardless. McVay did his best to lose the game but Matt wouldn’t let him.
Unless I'm misremembering, two of Brady's WRs won SB MVP, Branch and JE11. Sometimes a WRs performance warrants it.
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Kupp would have been my choice, but I never in a million years thought he'd get it. Donald or Stafford would have been prettier choices. Kupp stepped up when it mattered, though.
And while I have no idea why it matters, Brady would have gotten it had he been in Stafford's shoes.
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I think Kupp deserved it and I also think it is a bit of a correction for league MVP. Tell me, would the Rams have gotten where they did this season without him? I'm not so sure.
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I think Kupp deserved it and I also think it is a bit of a correction for league MVP. Tell me, would the Rams have gotten where they did this season without him? I'm not so sure.
No, but the same can be same for Stafford. I don't they win any of their last three playoff games with Goff still at QB. With Stafford, they won all of them and are now the champs.
But yeah, Kupp is just unreal. When counting both the regular season and playoffs, that is the greatest season a WR has ever had. Ever.
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As a '9ers fan, I never thought I'd type a post like this, but: congrats to the Rams. And I'm really happy for them that they won. They have mostly (as much as can be expected from a group of pro athletes in this day and age anyway) showed a lot of class and are a fun team to watch. They are deserving champs.
I know they will have salary and contract issues, but I hope they didn't truly "mortgage the future" and can keep a decent core together, and I hope the '9ers can be healthy next year so this great rivalry can continue.
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As a '9ers fan, I never thought I'd type a post like this, but: congrats to the Rams. And I'm really happy for them that they won. They have mostly (as much as can be expected from a group of pro athletes in this day and age anyway) showed a lot of class and are a fun team to watch. They are deserving champs.
I know they will have salary and contract issues, but I hope they didn't truly "mortgage the future" and can keep a decent core together, and I hope the '9ers can be healthy next year so this great rivalry can continue.
If nothing else at least the Seahawks take a backseat for a little bit.
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^^ Well, look who has someone living in their head rent-free when no one mentioned the guy in question at all during this game.
I'm pretty sure Dream Team has a room in his closet with pictures of Brady all over it, his head circled in red pencil, strings attached to all his significant relationships... you know the ones, like they always find at the end of a Law And Order: SVU episode. I don't even hate Cam Newton that much. :)
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Feels like Kupp, Donald or Stafford could be the MVP. I won't quibble with any winning it.
That disastrous first minute of the second half is the only reason it was close. Rams D dominated that 2nd half.
I thought Donald was going to get it. He DOMINATED that last half of the fourth quarter. For a while there, I thought they gave Von Miller a "99" jersey as well.
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Need to see a roll call of all the half time performance doubters, this rocks
I'm not a doubter, but of all the words I could use for it, "rocks" isn't one of them. There were times - mostly Snoop and Mary J. Blige - where I was like "they need to boost the v's on this".
The only thing I didn't like was the sideline announcer BEFORE the show saying "this will likely be the greatest Super Bowl Half Time Show of all time". Okay. Why not let it happen, and let it BE the greatest, before dubbing it that? It was good, I liked the flow of it, but it wasn't "THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME".
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"rigged"..typical (twitter or otherwise)
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23rigged&src=trend_click&vertical=trends
https://twitter.com/michaelFhurley/status/1493055083713544192
The defensive holding penalty against Cincinnati never should have happened anyway because the officials didn’t call an obvious false start on the entire offensive line.
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Need to see a roll call of all the half time performance doubters, this rocks
I'm not a doubter, but of all the words I could use for it, "rocks" isn't one of them. There were times - mostly Snoop and Mary J. Blige - where I was like "they need to boost the v's on this".
The only thing I didn't like was the sideline announcer BEFORE the show saying "this will likely be the greatest Super Bowl Half Time Show of all time". Okay. Why not let it happen, and let it BE the greatest, before dubbing it that? It was good, I liked the flow of it, but it wasn't "THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME".
Yeah, it was enjoyable for what it was meant to be, but that part (pre-show) annoyed me as well. And hey, to some people it might be the GOAT of half-time shows, but me personally I felt it lacked in the presentation side of it.
This made me laugh though:
(https://i.imgur.com/88tALxg.jpeg)
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"rigged"..typical (twitter or otherwise)
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23rigged&src=trend_click&vertical=trends
https://twitter.com/michaelFhurley/status/1493055083713544192
The defensive holding penalty against Cincinnati never should have happened anyway because the officials didn’t call an obvious false start on the entire offensive line.
Someone on Twitter shared a picture supposedly showing that the Bengals converted on 3rd and 1 at the end of the game but the refs spotted the ball a yard back. I looked at the picture and the ball was nowhere near the first down. People can’t get over the fact that the Rams were the better team, and they earned that championship. I’m saying this as someone who had no dog in the fight and actually likes both teams. The Rams are the rightful champions and everyone needs to accept it and move on. The Rams hate that developed this year outside of Seattle, San Francisco, and Phoenix was crazy.
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"rigged"..typical (twitter or otherwise)
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23rigged&src=trend_click&vertical=trends
https://twitter.com/michaelFhurley/status/1493055083713544192
The defensive holding penalty against Cincinnati never should have happened anyway because the officials didn’t call an obvious false start on the entire offensive line.
Someone on Twitter shared a picture supposedly showing that the Bengals converted on 3rd and 1 at the end of the game but the refs spotted the ball a yard back. I looked at the picture and the ball was nowhere near the first down. People can’t get over the fact that the Rams were the better team, and they earned that championship. I’m saying this as someone who had no dog in the fight and actually likes both teams. The Rams are the rightful champions and everyone needs to accept it and move on. The Rams hate that developed this year outside of Seattle, San Francisco, and Phoenix was crazy.
My heart was with Burrow and the Bengals, but this is right. Okay, they probably did miss the false start, and the holding was a tough call. But the PI on Kupp on the next play was a legit penalty, and can't be ignored. The non-uniform player on the field during the celebration was a legit penalty, and can't be ignored. Look, the NFL is clearly invested in Los Angeles - the Super Bowl is a spectacle to begin with, and last night made "spectacle" look like an insufficient word - but it wasn't the officials that decided that game.
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The Rams are really going to have problems KEEPING this thing rolling. There are rumored retirements looming including Aaron Donald and Sean McVay. Plus - they hardly have any draft picks to speak of in the next couple of years.
Enjoy this Rams fans - it may be a while before you see another SB.
Oh, and I heard (I think on the broadcast last night) that the Rams are already 30 million over the cap for next year. :omg:
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The non-uniform player on the field during the celebration was a legit penalty, and can't be ignored.
I couldn't recall ever seeing that before :lol
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Very entertaining game. I didn't have a dog in the fight, and was just hoping for a good game, and that's what I got. Throw in some good commercials and a pretty good halftime show, and this goes down as one of my favorite Super Bowls in recent memory.
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Even though it was a close game, I didn't think it was terribly exciting, but it had a nice finish. Not a classic like Broncos/Packers, Rams/Titans, Pats/Panthers, Giants/Pats, Steelers/Cards, Pats/Seahawks or Eagles/Pats, but still a good game.
And of course the game was not rigged. Officials miss calls sometimes.
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Must feel nice for Stafford to have this win as a nice little cap for his career. Of course he didn't play that great, but having a Super Bowl ring does show his entire body of work in a different light now.
Need to see a roll call of all the half time performance doubters, this rocks
I'm not a doubter, but of all the words I could use for it, "rocks" isn't one of them. There were times - mostly Snoop and Mary J. Blige - where I was like "they need to boost the v's on this".
The only thing I didn't like was the sideline announcer BEFORE the show saying "this will likely be the greatest Super Bowl Half Time Show of all time". Okay. Why not let it happen, and let it BE the greatest, before dubbing it that? It was good, I liked the flow of it, but it wasn't "THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME".
Yeah, it was enjoyable for what it was meant to be, but that part (pre-show) annoyed me as well. And hey, to some people it might be the GOAT of half-time shows, but me personally I felt it lacked in the presentation side of it.
This made me laugh though:
(https://i.imgur.com/88tALxg.jpeg)
lmao
And yeah, totally agree with what you said. This isn't "my music" but it certainly is music that was always around during my school days and I found myself getting nostalgic for it. I'll always be primarily a rock fan (and now, a jazz fan), but I never disliked this stuff - in fact, I always liked it, just wouldn't go out of my way for it. Today I've listened to a few of these tracks again, and enjoyed them. I probably wouldn't listen to any of it again for several years (aside from Kendrick, who is a personal favorite).
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Even though it was a close game, I didn't think it was terribly exciting, but it had a nice finish. Not a classic like Broncos/Packers, Rams/Titans, Pats/Panthers, Giants/Pats, Steelers/Cards, Pats/Seahawks or Eagles/Pats, but still a good game.
To me, it was a really good game through about midway through the third quarter. And the reason why is that it looked like pretty mistake-free football through that time. Yeah, we could look at things like Ramsey getting burned and say "mistake!" But what I mean by "mistake-free" in this context is that I didn't see a lot of unforced errors. I saw people making plays, on both sides of the ball, and coaches maneuvering around each other, constantly looking for an edge, and the players exploiting those advantages. At one point, I was just geeking out over how nearly "perfect" a game it was in that regard.
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What impressed me was how well the Bengals tackled for the most part. There were plays for two yards that appeared as if they might get four, or slip a tackle and get seven, but, nope, they'd lock up the RB or receiver. Oh, and that missed XP came so close to biting the Rams big time. Kudos on the 4th down call and conversion.
I've been reading the online comments posted on The Detroit Free Press Fbook page. Most are along the lines of "if only the Lions drafted a SB quality QB, they'd have been much better over the past decade" :lol
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Definitely not the greatest SB I've ever seen and the halftime show? Please...Tom Petty and Prince were lightyears better a few years back. Looking forward to no football for the next 8 months.
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^^ Well, look who has someone living in their head rent-free when no one mentioned the guy in question at all during this game.
I'm pretty sure Dream Team has a room in his closet with pictures of Brady all over it, his head circled in red pencil, strings attached to all his significant relationships... you know the ones, like they always find at the end of a Law And Order: SVU episode. I don't even hate Cam Newton that much. :)
Speaking of which, I'm not sure if I'm intrigued about the resurrection of the original Law & Order or if it's just a bunch of whatever.
Even though it was a close game, I didn't think it was terribly exciting, but it had a nice finish. Not a classic like Broncos/Packers, Rams/Titans, Pats/Panthers, Giants/Pats, Steelers/Cards, Pats/Seahawks or Eagles/Pats, but still a good game.
To me, it was a really good game through about midway through the third quarter. And the reason why is that it looked like pretty mistake-free football through that time. Yeah, we could look at things like Ramsey getting burned and say "mistake!" But what I mean by "mistake-free" in this context is that I didn't see a lot of unforced errors. I saw people making plays, on both sides of the ball, and coaches maneuvering around each other, constantly looking for an edge, and the players exploiting those advantages. At one point, I was just geeking out over how nearly "perfect" a game it was in that regard.
I generally agree with this, although the Ramsey thing was a mistake by the officials, not him. In that regard, I'm sure the officials who missed that are breathing a little easier that the Bengals didn't win.
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But there was the bogus holding call against the Bengals that gave the Rams a fresh set of downs to score a touchdown. So that evened out the Ramsey thing.
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^^ Well, look who has someone living in their head rent-free when no one mentioned the guy in question at all during this game.
I'm pretty sure Dream Team has a room in his closet with pictures of Brady all over it, his head circled in red pencil, strings attached to all his significant relationships... you know the ones, like they always find at the end of a Law And Order: SVU episode. I don't even hate Cam Newton that much. :)
Speaking of which, I'm not sure if I'm intrigued about the resurrection of the original Law & Order or if it's just a bunch of whatever.
All in. Sam Waterston.
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SUPER BOWL CHAMPS!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
This is now my favorite SB ever. Rams AT HOME in great uniforms with a close win.
I love hip hop, so that was my favorite HT show ever. This is the first HT show that artists I really like were on. Not a fan of 50 Cent or Kendrick, but the rest of them and the set was great. Perfect for LA.
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^^ Well, look who has someone living in their head rent-free when no one mentioned the guy in question at all during this game.
I'm pretty sure Dream Team has a room in his closet with pictures of Brady all over it, his head circled in red pencil, strings attached to all his significant relationships... you know the ones, like they always find at the end of a Law And Order: SVU episode. I don't even hate Cam Newton that much. :)
Speaking of which, I'm not sure if I'm intrigued about the resurrection of the original Law & Order or if it's just a bunch of whatever.
All in. Sam Waterston.
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ImaginaryCoolDegus-size_restricted.gif)
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I was pretty sure from watching his reaction and his walk to the sideline, he knew exactly what it was, but OBJ officially has a torn ACL. Bad for the game and bad for the Rams.
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Even though it was a close game, I didn't think it was terribly exciting, but it had a nice finish. Not a classic like Broncos/Packers, Rams/Titans, Pats/Panthers, Giants/Pats, Steelers/Cards, Pats/Seahawks or Eagles/Pats, but still a good game.
To me, it was a really good game through about midway through the third quarter. And the reason why is that it looked like pretty mistake-free football through that time. Yeah, we could look at things like Ramsey getting burned and say "mistake!" But what I mean by "mistake-free" in this context is that I didn't see a lot of unforced errors. I saw people making plays, on both sides of the ball, and coaches maneuvering around each other, constantly looking for an edge, and the players exploiting those advantages. At one point, I was just geeking out over how nearly "perfect" a game it was in that regard.
I get this. I just didn't find the game terribly exciting overall, but it was definitely a mostly well played game. Both teams looked very prepared.
I generally agree with this, although the Ramsey thing was a mistake by the officials, not him. In that regard, I'm sure the officials who missed that are breathing a little easier that the Bengals didn't win.
Honestly, if not for that missed call and the OBJ injury, that game could have been a rout. Even though I rooted for the Rams hard when they were in STL, it is hard to do so now because of Kroenke, but I found myself rooting for them in the 4th quarter. I loved seeing Stafford win the big game after suffering for 12 years with the Lions. He seems like a good guy and this feels like the universe making things a little right in the sports world.
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This was a "player's game" for me. I hate the Rams as an organization, I hate Los Angeles (no offense to our Left Coast brethren), but I wanted to see players like Aaron Donald and Matthew Stafford get the chance to compete for a ring. I don't believe in "deserve", really, but if anyone does, it's those two. So I am happy on that front. That wasn't the greatest game I've ever seen, but I did sit and watch every minute of most of the second half, so there's that.
We didn't talk about it much but the three best commercials, in no particular order:
- Caesar ("I said legendary. Eli?")
- The Chevy commercial where Jamie Lynn Sigler and Robert Iler meet and hug
- Uh... either the Alexa ad with Colin Jost and Scarlett Johansen, or the Austin Powers ad ("Not you, Scott.")
Honorable mention for any commercial with Meegan Thee Stallion. :)
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I thought the Larry David spot was good (just have to overlook the fact that it was for crypto), and I'm never mad at Salma Hayek on my tv screen.
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My favorite ad was the Lay's commercial with Paul Rudd and Seth Rogan.
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I thought the Larry David spot was good (just have to overlook the fact that it was for crypto), and I'm never mad at Salma Hayek on my tv screen.
That was pretty good. He was the perfect choice. I thought the Arnold/Salma commercial was silly, but old Arnie as Zeus was inspired. Great idea.
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I didn't think there were any good commercials. A few good ideas like the Austin Powers one that just kind of wasn't funny to me, but enjoyed the nostalgia. Same with the Cable Guy, cool throw back but the execution just wasn't any funny. Oh well, Super Bowl commercials went from being funny to just seeing who can get the most and biggest celebs in them without further thought.
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I didn't think there were any good commercials. A few good ideas like the Austin Powers one that just kind of wasn't funny to me, but enjoyed the nostalgia. Same with the Cable Guy, cool throw back but the execution just wasn't any funny. Oh well, Super Bowl commercials went from being funny to just seeing who can get the most and biggest celebs in them without further thought.
My favorite commercial wasn't on during the superbowl, but it's the two Chevy Silverado commercials where they have the cat acting like a dog.. Especially the part where the cat let's out a scream and chases the mailman down the road.. :lol
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I didn't think there were any good commercials. A few good ideas like the Austin Powers one that just kind of wasn't funny to me, but enjoyed the nostalgia. Same with the Cable Guy, cool throw back but the execution just wasn't any funny. Oh well, Super Bowl commercials went from being funny to just seeing who can get the most and biggest celebs in them without further thought.
That's kinda true, isn't it. There's a ton of talk about the Miley Cyrus/Dolly Parton one for T-Mobile, but other than hearing Miley sing (I think her voice is UNBELIEVABLE), it wasn't something I'd want to see again.
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I didn't catch this Sopranos-title Chevy commercial with Meadow and AJ during the game but it's a fun little bit that you can argue is a coda of sorts in the Sopranos world.
https://youtu.be/2bZYqFsU72Y (https://youtu.be/2bZYqFsU72Y)
Rolling Stone even has a fan-obsessed review of the commercial and where and how it might even tie in with the show seeing as how David Chase and the original Sopranos DP were involved too.
https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-features/sopranos-super-bowl-ad-commercial-1299610/ (https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-features/sopranos-super-bowl-ad-commercial-1299610/)
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I didn't think there were any good commercials. A few good ideas like the Austin Powers one that just kind of wasn't funny to me, but enjoyed the nostalgia. Same with the Cable Guy, cool throw back but the execution just wasn't any funny. Oh well, Super Bowl commercials went from being funny to just seeing who can get the most and biggest celebs in them without further thought.
I thought "bring down the house" was pretty good. The Cable Guy sucked, but you're right. Overall, the creativity has taken a drop off.
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We didn't talk about it much but the three best commercials, in no particular order:
- Caesar ("I said legendary. Eli?")
- The Chevy commercial where Jamie Lynn Sigler and Robert Iler meet and hug
- Uh... either the Alexa ad with Colin Jost and Scarlett Johansen, or the Austin Powers ad ("Not you, Scott.")
Honorable mention for any commercial with Meegan Thee Stallion. :)
This is funny...I know who Jost and Johansen are (but didn't know they're apparently married?!), but I have no idea who the two people are that you mentioned in the Chevy commercial or what Meegan Thee Stallion is (one of the Budweiser Clydesdales?).
I actually the start of the third quarter, so I fast-forwarded through most of the commercials until about the fourth quarter. That was because the commercials in the first half mostly sucked and I actually wanted to get caught up. There was one that just had a QR code bouncing around the entire time? WTF? The Austin Powers one was cool, but I don't remember what it was for.
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- The Chevy commercial where Jamie Lynn Sigler and Robert Iler meet and hug
Turns out I ate at that restaurant when I was up there last October. Go figure. Fried sea scallops FTW.
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- The Chevy commercial where Jamie Lynn Sigler and Robert Iler meet and hug
but I have no idea who the two people are that you mentioned in the Chevy commercial
I didn't catch this Sopranos-title Chevy commercial with Meadow and AJ during the game but it's a fun little bit that you can argue is a coda of sorts in the Sopranos world.
https://youtu.be/2bZYqFsU72Y (https://youtu.be/2bZYqFsU72Y)
Rolling Stone even has a fan-obsessed review of the commercial and where and how it might even tie in with the show seeing as how David Chase and the original Sopranos DP were involved too.
https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-features/sopranos-super-bowl-ad-commercial-1299610/ (https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-features/sopranos-super-bowl-ad-commercial-1299610/)
Missed Stadler's mention of the commercial. The two actors play brother and sister in the Sopranos show.
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We didn't talk about it much but the three best commercials, in no particular order:
- Caesar ("I said legendary. Eli?")
- The Chevy commercial where Jamie Lynn Sigler and Robert Iler meet and hug
- Uh... either the Alexa ad with Colin Jost and Scarlett Johansen, or the Austin Powers ad ("Not you, Scott.")
Honorable mention for any commercial with Meegan Thee Stallion. :)
This is funny...I know who Jost and Johansen are (but didn't know they're apparently married?!), but I have no idea who the two people are that you mentioned in the Chevy commercial or what Meegan Thee Stallion is (one of the Budweiser Clydesdales?).
Honestly, I was just being obnoxious; I don't remember what commercial she was in, I just think Megan Thee Stallion is hot.
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We didn't talk about it much but the three best commercials, in no particular order:
- Caesar ("I said legendary. Eli?")
- The Chevy commercial where Jamie Lynn Sigler and Robert Iler meet and hug
- Uh... either the Alexa ad with Colin Jost and Scarlett Johansen, or the Austin Powers ad ("Not you, Scott.")
Honorable mention for any commercial with Meegan Thee Stallion. :)
This is funny...I know who Jost and Johansen are (but didn't know they're apparently married?!), but I have no idea who the two people are that you mentioned in the Chevy commercial or what Meegan Thee Stallion is (one of the Budweiser Clydesdales?).
Honestly, I was just being obnoxious; I don't remember what commercial she was in, I just think Megan Thee Stallion is hot.
That's a person? A female? Who calls herself "the Stallion"?
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She's a rapper. Not my kind of music, but she's clearly talented (and no, that's not a euphemism).
(https://i.imgur.com/P9NxwZt.jpg)
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I didn't catch this Sopranos-title Chevy commercial with Meadow and AJ during the game but it's a fun little bit that you can argue is a coda of sorts in the Sopranos world.
I did enjoy this commercial, once again for the nostalgia of it all. Especially as someone who regularly drives on the roads from the intro, but I didn't think of it as anything clever. Just nostalgia and kind of cool to see the kids grown up in a way. But if you never watched the Sopranos, like my gf, then you are just clueless as to what is going on.
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My favorite was still the Uber Eats commercial with the in-joke of Gweneth Paltrow eating a candle that read “This smells like my…” and liking it. I about spit out my drink.
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We didn't talk about it much but the three best commercials, in no particular order:
- Caesar ("I said legendary. Eli?")
- The Chevy commercial where Jamie Lynn Sigler and Robert Iler meet and hug
- Uh... either the Alexa ad with Colin Jost and Scarlett Johansen, or the Austin Powers ad ("Not you, Scott.")
Honorable mention for any commercial with Meegan Thee Stallion. :)
This is funny...I know who Jost and Johansen are (but didn't know they're apparently married?!), but I have no idea who the two people are that you mentioned in the Chevy commercial or what Meegan Thee Stallion is (one of the Budweiser Clydesdales?).
Honestly, I was just being obnoxious; I don't remember what commercial she was in, I just think Megan Thee Stallion is hot.
That's a person? A female? Who calls herself "the Stallion"?
No. She's a person, a female, who calls herself "Thee Stallion."
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No. She's a person, a female, who calls herself "Thee Stallion."
Oh...well...that's MUCH more sensible... :|
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No. She's a person, a female, who calls herself "Thee Stallion."
Oh...well...that's MUCH more sensible... :|
It's actually thee most sensible.
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LOL!!
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Yeah, and who couldn't care thee less? :lol
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No. She's a person, a female, who calls herself "Thee Stallion."
Oh...well...that's MUCH more sensible... :|
Well, it's show business. What does "sensible" have to do with it?
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I thought there were a couple of good ones, but most of them were meh.
Still no new Bud Bowl. 😕 25 years since the last one. It could be done so easy and better today.
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The lack of fans at the parade today. Oof.
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SUPER BOWL CHAMPS!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
This is now my favorite SB ever. Rams AT HOME in great uniforms with a close win.
I love hip hop, so that was my favorite HT show ever. This is the first HT show that artists I really like were on. Not a fan of 50 Cent or Kendrick, but the rest of them and the set was great. Perfect for LA.
I'm with ya 100% Brotha! 3 days later and we're STILL celebrating!! Just watched the Parade and only wish we could've been there in person. Laughing my ass off at our D Coordinator dropping the F Bombs... "Stand the Fuck Up!!""" :lol Hopefully that won't show up on his next HC interview. Our boys were mighty buzzed also, having a good ole time! A little concerned though that Ramsey wasn't anywhere to be seen. Hope all is well on that front.
WORLD CHAMPION LOS ANGELES RAMS BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I thought there were a couple of good ones, but most of them were meh.
Still no new Bud Bowl. 😕 25 years since the last one. It could be done so easy and better today.
I had to google to remind myself what that was. LOL
The lack of fans at the parade today. Oof.
Keep in mind that, aside from the fact that the team doesn't actually play in Los Angeles, the City of Los Angeles covers 500 square miles and Los Angeles County covers nearly 5,000 square miles. Getting into and out of downtown LA is a chore that most people aren't going to undertake for a team that isn't the most popular NFL team in its own city or county. Add COVID paranoia to all that, and, judging from some quick video I checked, it's about what I would have expected. I'd bet money that, if it had been the Chargers, they wouldn't have bothered with a parade and would have had only a rally.
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No, I get it but that's a big event and a way to get out of work. Party all day. You'd expect more people just to experience it.
Doesn't happen every day.
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Funny.... Being an Angelino and a former SSL owner, I thought the Parade turnout was pretty damn good. Peeps that have never lived in SoCal just won't quite understand our dynamics.
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You’ll never be able to explain it to King. Everyone in Massachusetts, and surrounds, genuflects towards TD Garden in the spring, Fenway in the summer, and Gillette Stadium in the fall. He’ll never understand Southern California!
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That's because we are fanatics.
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It's the whole east coast. The Philly parade probably pulled people from a minimum of seven states, and the Boston parades six. There's just a different mentality.
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New York ticker tape is downright insane. I remember the last Yankees World Series, half of my school was absent because they were in Manhattan for the parade.
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New York ticker tape is downright insane. I remember the last Yankees World Series, half of my school was absent because they were in Manhattan for the parade.
It's nuts seeing the sea of people in the streets.
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It's the whole east coast. The Philly parade probably pulled people from a minimum of seven states, and the Boston parades six. There's just a different mentality.
I think you're right. It does seem to be a bicoastal thing, at least here in the lower 48.
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No, I get it but that's a big event and a way to get out of work. Party all day. You'd expect more people just to experience it.
Doesn't happen every day.
I can only speak for myself, but the Kings parade soured me on such things. It was fine, but taking a day off to go stand outside in downtown with a "huge" crowd really isn't something I want to do again. I missed the 2012 parade but went to the one in 2014 (and got the below shot of Jarret Stoll's then girlfriend/now wife, Erin Andrews, which always makes me chuckle, especially if you zoom in). If the Dodgers had had a parade in 2020, there'd have been at least 5x as many people, and I'd have stayed as far away as possible. Sort of like when I see a gazillion people in Times Square at NYE and I shake my head and wonder "why?"
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I am not a fan of Erin Andrews.
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I am not a fan of Erin Andrews.
Come again...
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Eh, seen em before (though they are quite nice for what they are).
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No, I get it but that's a big event and a way to get out of work. Party all day. You'd expect more people just to experience it.
Doesn't happen every day.
I can only speak for myself, but the Kings parade soured me on such things. It was fine, but taking a day off to go stand outside in downtown with a "huge" crowd really isn't something I want to do again. I missed the 2012 parade but went to the one in 2014 (and got the below shot of Jarret Stoll's then girlfriend/now wife, Erin Andrews, which always makes me chuckle, especially if you zoom in). If the Dodgers had had a parade in 2020, there'd have been at least 5x as many people, and I'd have stayed as far away as possible. Sort of like when I see a gazillion people in Times Square at NYE and I shake my head and wonder "why?"
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Sports is vital to human history that's why. You'd be amazed at how much it has played a role in every aspect of human history. Humans take Sports seriously because of the concept of play and what constitutes the differences of Play, Games, and Sport.
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Sports form the basis for a massive, collective "in-group" and "out-group".
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Eh, seen em before (though they are quite nice for what they are).
Not that...I just find the facial expression and craned neck funny.
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Eh, seen em before (though they are quite nice for what they are).
Not that...I just find the facial expression and craned neck funny.
I wasn't going to say it, but she looks like Gollum there. "My preciousssssssssssss"
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I remember the Seahawks SB48 parade, that was such a huge deal where I was working at the time as the route was pretty close to the office. So many people wanted to be excused for a few hours to go, my supe nearly nearly had to draw straws to decide who went and who stayed since some of us had to work. I offered to stay because I don't do parades/crowds, and it was damn cold out that day.
Sort of like when I see a gazillion people in Times Square at NYE and I shake my head and wonder "why?"
I don't get it either. I am sure many of them want to be able to say I WAS THERE!
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I remember the Seahawks SB48 parade, that was such a huge deal where I was working at the time as the route was pretty close to the office. So many people wanted to be excused for a few hours to go, my supe nearly nearly had to draw straws to decide who went and who stayed since some of us had to work. I offered to stay because I don't do parades/crowds, and it was damn cold out that day.
Sort of like when I see a gazillion people in Times Square at NYE and I shake my head and wonder "why?"
I don't get it either. I am sure many of them want to be able to say I WAS THERE!
For the Stars victory parade my then boss and I were "running to make a pickup from a vendor" and mistakenly got caught up in the parade. :lol In all fairness our primary supplier at the time was pretty much ground zero for the parade route.
The Cowboys victory parades are only memorable for one thing. https://youtu.be/3jwX3ZqA-qE?t=27
Bonus points for anybody that recognizes the newscaster that isn't Jane McGarry.
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I remember the Seahawks SB48 parade, that was such a huge deal where I was working at the time as the route was pretty close to the office. So many people wanted to be excused for a few hours to go, my supe nearly nearly had to draw straws to decide who went and who stayed since some of us had to work. I offered to stay because I don't do parades/crowds, and it was damn cold out that day.
Sort of like when I see a gazillion people in Times Square at NYE and I shake my head and wonder "why?"
I don't get it either. I am sure many of them want to be able to say I WAS THERE!
For the Stars victory parade my then boss and I were "running to make a pickup from a vendor" and mistakenly got caught up in the parade. :lol In all fairness our primary supplier at the time was pretty much ground zero for the parade route.
The Cowboys victory parades are only memorable for one thing. https://youtu.be/3jwX3ZqA-qE?t=27
Bonus points for anybody that recognizes the newscaster that isn't Jane McGarry.
I love you Jane - I love you. LOL
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Sort of like when I see a gazillion people in Times Square at NYE and I shake my head and wonder "why?"
Almost nobody actually from New York wants to be there. I’ve lived in this city my entire life and try to avoid Times Square every day of the year let alone New Year’s Eve.
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I remember the Seahawks SB48 parade, that was such a huge deal where I was working at the time as the route was pretty close to the office. So many people wanted to be excused for a few hours to go, my supe nearly nearly had to draw straws to decide who went and who stayed since some of us had to work. I offered to stay because I don't do parades/crowds, and it was damn cold out that day.
Sort of like when I see a gazillion people in Times Square at NYE and I shake my head and wonder "why?"
I don't get it either. I am sure many of them want to be able to say I WAS THERE!
For the Stars victory parade my then boss and I were "running to make a pickup from a vendor" and mistakenly got caught up in the parade. :lol In all fairness our primary supplier at the time was pretty much ground zero for the parade route.
The Cowboys victory parades are only memorable for one thing. https://youtu.be/3jwX3ZqA-qE?t=27
Bonus points for anybody that recognizes the newscaster that isn't Jane McGarry.
I love you Jane - I love you. LOL
The woman is seemingly aging in reverse. She looked ten years older in 93 than she does now, thirty years later.
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Hey, I'm Joe.
https://youtu.be/WNldZo4f0rs
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I googled, and depending on your taste, that may not even be the best photo out there.
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I remember the Seahawks SB48 parade, that was such a huge deal where I was working at the time as the route was pretty close to the office. So many people wanted to be excused for a few hours to go, my supe nearly nearly had to draw straws to decide who went and who stayed since some of us had to work. I offered to stay because I don't do parades/crowds, and it was damn cold out that day.
Sort of like when I see a gazillion people in Times Square at NYE and I shake my head and wonder "why?"
I don't get it either. I am sure many of them want to be able to say I WAS THERE!
For the Stars victory parade my then boss and I were "running to make a pickup from a vendor" and mistakenly got caught up in the parade. :lol In all fairness our primary supplier at the time was pretty much ground zero for the parade route.
The Cowboys victory parades are only memorable for one thing. https://youtu.be/3jwX3ZqA-qE?t=27
Bonus points for anybody that recognizes the newscaster that isn't Jane McGarry.
I love you Jane - I love you. LOL
The woman is seemingly aging in reverse. She looked ten years older in 93 than she does now, thirty years later.
Oh yeah! :metal
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The Cowboys victory parades are only memorable for one thing.
Being held before the advent of color television?
Sort of like when I see a gazillion people in Times Square at NYE and I shake my head and wonder "why?"
Almost nobody actually from New York wants to be there. I’ve lived in this city my entire life and try to avoid Times Square every day of the year let alone New Year’s Eve.
That's kinda how most folks feel about downtown LA.
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I see the 4th on the Promenade in Boston the same as you guys do to NYC & LA. I will never go there to see the 4th celebration there live.
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I am a few days behind on this convo, but for me, parades are a big nuisance. I consider myself a massive Blues fan, but even I didn't go to the Cup parade back in 2019. They seem more work and trouble than they are worth, and I am not really someone who goes to something just so I can checkmark it and say that I did it or was there. Maybe if it had happened back in my drinking/partying days, I might have gone, but at the age 45 and as someone who rarely drinks anymore, I was like, nah.
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I hate parades (I was in marching band in high school so I definitely had my fill of them), but if I ever see the Jets or Rangers win in my lifetime you can be damn sure I’ll be in Manhattan for them, especially since I don’t know if or when it’s gonna happen again in my lifetime (hell the last time either of them won I was an infant).
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Yeah, too crowded cause people are the biggest nuisance. :yeahright :\ :|
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I don't know about you all, but the older I get, the more claustrophobic I have become. Back in the day, I could have gone to a Super Bowl parade. Now - I get dizzy and the world seems to stop and I just have to run. :omg:
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I've never gone. The traffic would drive me insane. Though, I watch them on TV.
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Ali Marpet who played Left Guard in the offensive line for the Bucs retired at 28 years old after playing 7 years and still had $20 million remaining on his contract. That announcement came as a surprise but don't feel bad for the guy, he's at his peak and made his multi-millions and has his body hopefully mostly intact and walking away healthy.
This is a really big blow to that solid O-line the Bucs have, with Jensen, Cappa, Wirfs... Jensen and Cappa are free agents so not sure if they'll be back.
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What's the forum's opinion on Russell Wilson (aside from Bosk, I know his opinion :biggrin:)? I know it is common for the national and local opinions of an athlete to vary, so am curious what those outside of Seattle think of him.
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Very good, no longer truly great, player, who will find a situation where he doesn't have to carry the team but can be a crucial cog and possibly play in, if not win, another Super Bowl.
If Lamar continues to have health issues, or is out for any period of time, I'd LOVE to see what Russell and John Harbaugh could cook up together.
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What's the forum's opinion on Russell Wilson (aside from Bosk, I know his opinion :biggrin:)? I know it is common for the national and local opinions of an athlete to vary, so am curious what those outside of Seattle think of him.
I like Russell, he's got charisma and from what I've seen the right attitude during game time. When he was on the Manningcast for the playoff game against his division rivals, I liked how he was still optimistic that the Cardinals could keep it close after scoring that TD. He was like 'they gotta keep fighting' and that contrasted heavily with whatever body language Murray had on the field at that point.
I think Russell's really talented as well. There was a lot of local sports talk about how great of a fit he would be here in Tampa, even though Russell appears to be content staying in Seattle.
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What's the forum's opinion on Russell Wilson (aside from Bosk, I know his opinion :biggrin:)? I know it is common for the national and local opinions of an athlete to vary, so am curious what those outside of Seattle think of him.
As an opponent, he's a pain in the ass. As a person, to the extent I know anything, he seems like kind of a d-bag.
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What's the forum's opinion on Russell Wilson (aside from Bosk, I know his opinion :biggrin:)? I know it is common for the national and local opinions of an athlete to vary, so am curious what those outside of Seattle think of him.
As an opponent, he's a pain in the ass. As a person, to the extent I know anything, he seems like kind of a d-bag.
It seems to depend on the circumstances. I've always heard him to be a nice guy, and I've experienced some of that, but when I saw him on the Manning MNF broadcast, I too thought he was kind of a d-bag. I forget now exactly what he said, but I remember a lot of what he was saying about Kyler Murray made me shake my head. It wasn't BAD, it was just sort of cringe-y.
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So weird how our viewing experiences are when watching Russell on Manningcast, I had a much more favorable outlook of him after that show and did not think he came across as a douche.
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Based on the five minutes or so that I watched of one of the earlier Manning things, I'd probably conclude they're both d-bags too.
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He is a bit of an enigma up here. It is hard to dislike the guy who QB'ed your city to its first major sports championship in 35 years. And there isn't anything to really hate about him. But there is something about him that keeps him from being unconditionally embraced by the fan base. Whether it be him being a "douche" or a phony, sending out creepy tweets, or having a jackass for an agent... there's just something that makes it hard for some fans to love. And the debate on the radio about trading him is endless, which is crazy for a team with a "franchise QB" and a team that doesn't need a full rebuild.
He is also referred to as a HoFer by many on sports talk radio, including someone who has a HoF vote. I assume (hope) that means if he continues on a reasonable trajectory for the next ~10 years, not if his career ended tomorrow. He just doesn't seem to have the career at this point to be having that discussion. But my HoF bar is higher than others.
Also, just found this brilliance from Tom Brady and Charles Woodson, You forced it in to a pass. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WFh1-6dmMM)
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Also, just found this brilliance from Tom Brady and Charles Woodson, You forced it in to a pass. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WFh1-6dmMM)
I really like that. Both of them seem to understand it. An unfortunate consequence of the rules that never should have come up, but it did and one side had to prevail. I'm inclined to side more with Woodson than Brady as to how it should have gone, but the interpretation of the rule was correct. NE won on a technicality. That's sometimes the way it goes, and insofar as technicalities go, it was the correct outcome. I reckon they both understand that and are able to kid around about it now that they're retired HOFers looking back on it.
Contrast that with Marshall Faulk, who's one of my all-time favorite football players, but is bitter 20 years later about something that wasn't even real. Woodson got the short end of the stick, but he accepts it for what it is. Faulk got beat and looks for reasons to save face. You won't see him goofing off with TB12 anytime soon.
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I guess I'm a Chargers fan now.
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Honestly surprised Russell isn't staying, looks like Rodgers is going to make bank.
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Also, just found this brilliance from Tom Brady and Charles Woodson, You forced it in to a pass. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WFh1-6dmMM)
I really like that. Both of them seem to understand it. An unfortunate consequence of the rules that never should have come up, but it did and one side had to prevail. I'm inclined to side more with Woodson than Brady as to how it should have gone, but the interpretation of the rule was correct. NE won on a technicality. That's sometimes the way it goes, and insofar as technicalities go, it was the correct outcome. I reckon they both understand that and are able to kid around about it now that they're retired HOFers looking back on it.
That was a joy to watch. I think that only comes from two men confident in their abilities, confident in their place in history, and talking about something (the game) that means so much to them.
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So many local media members here, including one in the writer's wing of the HoF, said Wilson would never be traded. He got so pissed anytime someone asked him about the possibility. Thank you for all the years of commitment and had work, Russell. I wish you best of luck in your future endeavors.
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Congrats to Kev and the other Denver fans here. Y'all did it again.
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HOLY SHIT!
Broncos posted this to their FB page without any text:
(https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/275311432_10160556663806318_6596843490308638279_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=nYVlXUm8e7UAX93Ntr5&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=00_AT-PCTGuQVvaRK6_FYWZAZiTVUl0giVCco14pRS3BMsmdA&oe=622D5C12)
I guess I'll have to warm to the guy (and will be happier doing so than if we'd gotten Rodgers).
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So, how about Calvin Ridley? Gamble $1500, lose $10 million.
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The Broncos are all in.
That trade is in the same Galaxy of the Herschel Walker trade. :hat
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As a Broncos fan, love this trade!! Wilson is still a top 6-7 NFL QB IMO, and this will make the entire team better. Woohoo. :hat :hat
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As a Broncos fan, love this trade!! Wilson is still a top 6-7 NFL QB IMO, and this will make the entire team better. Woohoo. :hat :hat
Long Time Broncos fan!! Finally, I can be excited about football again!! We have great receivers, a running game and defense. We are in the mix!!
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As a Broncos fan, love this trade!! Wilson is still a top 6-7 NFL QB IMO, and this will make the entire team better. Woohoo. :hat :hat
Long Time Broncos fan!! Finally, I can be excited about football again!! We have great receivers, a running game and defense. We are in the mix!!
He'll have his work cut for him in that division. :omg:
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What is cracking me is how some are acting like the Broncos have some huge mountain to climb in even trying to catch the Chargers.
Uh, the Chargers were TWO GAMES better than the Broncos in 2021, and that is with having Justin Herbert, while the Broncos had clowns like Lock and Bridgewater at QB. Even if Wilson has lost a step and is only very good now, as opposed to still great, he is still a huge upgrade over what they have had.
Now, the AFC West next year could be like the NFC West last year in that it is so tough that it will be difficult for any of the teams to win enough games to get the 1 seed, but with the Bills being the only team (IMO) from the other three divisions that I feel is a definite Super Bowl contender, the conference will be there for the taking.
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As an outside observer, the Broncos were certainly meh last year. The Ravens had an easy time with them after literally knocking Bridgewater out of the game. Because of our area, I watched them and DC play just an abysmal final five minutes, seemingly where each team was 'here, you win', 'no, you win' mistake laden affair. And yet, they only had one less win than the Ravens.
Their schedule: Jets, Ravens, Panthers, AFC South, NFC West, their own division, and one other NFC team. Not daunting. In the NFL, where one good/bad break or one outstanding/boneheaded play or decision seems to be the difference 80% of the time, nothing says they can't make the playoffs. We'll see about the Raiders next year. And the Chargers always seem to find ways to lose that only the Chargers can with the talent they so often have.
They need another Von Miller type (who doesn't?). I just feel they gave up two too many draft picks. We'll see what they do with FA and their cap space room.
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I'm kind of wondering if we're starting to see a paradigm shift in the NFL right now. From a model where you build dynasties to one where you mortgage your team's future for a two or three year window as contenders. It certainly paid off for the Rams, but it seems inevitable that the lack of draft capital for a few years is going to hurt them down the road. As well paying off backloaded salaries for big name FAs. I'm not sure what the time frame is exactly, but it seems like the model for the future will be suck for a few years while you put together some core building blocks. Trade all your picks for an elite quarterback. Win. Dump everything to go 1-16 and get new picks. Finally, if you're lucky, suck for a few years while you try to rebuild core building blocks to start the process again.
Doesn't really seem like the way I'd want my team to operate. Spend 12 years from sucking to mediocre to get 3 years of contending before repeating the process.
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I had a similar thought, but I think it's going to be one of those cyclical things. And it's like anything else; you still have to do the work, you still have to sign the right players, you still have to play the games. If I'm a KC fan, for example, I'm not thrilled with the production of my horses.
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I think that yes, it's a paradigm shift but I think the shift has to do with how the QB position is handled. Back in the day, you drafted a "franchise QB" and stuck with them for 5 or 6 years and if you didn't win a championship then you go get another one. Meanwhile the franchise is setback for years.
To me, it seems as though teams have no patience for sub-par QB play because college QBs are coming out of college ready to play immediately. Look at Joe Burrow, Dak Prescott and Justin Herbert. Hell, I'd argue that Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Rogers could have played immediately in their rookie season and have success. Teams are scrutinizing the QB play more than ever and are willing to bail faster.
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Draft picks are often overvalued anyway. Just look at what the Rams have done recently with trading tons of their draft picks. If you can get a proven NFL commodity, that is more valuable than a draft pick or two, and when it is a QB, it is way more valuable.
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I haven’t seen the details mentioned yet:
Seahawks get:
#1 draft pick x2
#2 draft pick x2
#5 draft pick
Drew Lock
Shelby Harris
Noah Fant
Broncos get:
Russell Wilson
#4 draft pick
I still hate losing him…but if it had to be done, this looks like a pretty sweet deal.
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I haven’t seen the details mentioned yet:
Seahawks get:
#1 draft pick x2
#2 draft pick x2
#5 draft pick
Drew Lock
Shelby Harris
Noah Fant
Broncos get:
Russell Wilson
#4 draft pick
I still hate losing him…but if it had to be done, this looks like a pretty sweet deal.
The Seahawks are a perfect example of how valuable draft picks really are. The fact that they had no 1st round picks the last 2 years AND they drafted really poorly AND they had no first round pick this year probably weighed heavily on Russell Wilson to want to leave. I would say that the Rams are the exception because they drafted well and were only a QB away from the promised land. Most NFL teams can't make that claim.
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Draft picks are only valuable if a team is able to properly evaluate players.
Consider the breakdown of players on a roster last season and where they were drafted…
Round 1 263
Round 2 223
Round 3 226
Round 4 184
Round 5 146
Round 6 138
Round 7 94
And the kicker…..415 players that were on a roster last season went undrafted.
Obviously the more picks you have the better your odds of finding better players, but it really is quite a crap shoot.
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Draft picks are only valuable if a team is able to properly evaluate players.
No doubt.....
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Draft picks are only valuable if a team is able to properly evaluate players.
No doubt.....
BUT! As hunnus pointed out, I think the Seahawks have proven themselves to be, at the very least, above average in the player evaluation department. That seems to make this trade (on paper at least) to be pretty lopsided in favor of the Seahawks.
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Maybe. Best case scenario is that it completely destroys both teams.
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Maybe. Best case scenario is that it completely destroys both teams.
Yes. Let the hate flow through you.
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Maybe. Best case scenario is that it completely destroys both teams.
Yes. Let the hate flow through you.
:itpoe:
I'm just saying, if I could turn back time and somehow have him trade places with Alex Smith a few years back, I'd be totally cool with that.
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Draft picks are only valuable if a team is able to properly evaluate players.
No doubt.....
BUT! As hunnus pointed out, I think the Seahawks have proven themselves to be, at the very least, above average in the player evaluation department. That seems to make this trade (on paper at least) to be pretty lopsided in favor of the Seahawks.
Not lately. Wilson is the main reason they have even been making the playoffs for most of the last few years, as their defense has slowly gotten worse ever since most of the stars from the Legion of Boom went bye-bye.
As for who won the trade, that remains to be seen, but I will almost always take the team getting the above average QB (who is already a proven commodity).
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Draft picks are only valuable if a team is able to properly evaluate players.
No doubt.....
BUT! As hunnus pointed out, I think the Seahawks have proven themselves to be, at the very least, above average in the player evaluation department. That seems to make this trade (on paper at least) to be pretty lopsided in favor of the Seahawks.
Not lately. Wilson is the main reason they have even been making the playoffs for most of the last few years, as their defense has slowly gotten worse ever since most of the stars from the Legion of Boom went bye-bye.
As for who won the trade, that remains to be seen, but I will almost always take the team getting the above average QB (who is already a proven commodity).
I am unsure what your point is. I think we're all in agreement about Wilson but are you saying their draft strategy worked the last couple of years? Because if it had then they would not have needed to trade Wilson. Hell, they gave up a 1 and a 3 for a safety.
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Draft picks are only valuable if a team is able to properly evaluate players.
No doubt.....
BUT! As hunnus pointed out, I think the Seahawks have proven themselves to be, at the very least, above average in the player evaluation department. That seems to make this trade (on paper at least) to be pretty lopsided in favor of the Seahawks.
Not lately. Wilson is the main reason they have even been making the playoffs for most of the last few years, as their defense has slowly gotten worse ever since most of the stars from the Legion of Boom went bye-bye.
As for who won the trade, that remains to be seen, but I will almost always take the team getting the above average QB (who is already a proven commodity).
I am unsure what your point is. I think we're all in agreement about Wilson but are you saying their draft strategy worked the last couple of years? Because if it had then they would not have needed to trade Wilson. Hell, they gave up a 1 and a 3 for a safety.
Re-read the post I quoted and then my reply. I think what I meant was quite clear (and it wasn't your interpretation).
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Draft picks are only valuable if a team is able to properly evaluate players.
No doubt.....
BUT! As hunnus pointed out, I think the Seahawks have proven themselves to be, at the very least, above average in the player evaluation department. That seems to make this trade (on paper at least) to be pretty lopsided in favor of the Seahawks.
Not lately. Wilson is the main reason they have even been making the playoffs for most of the last few years, as their defense has slowly gotten worse ever since most of the stars from the Legion of Boom went bye-bye.
As for who won the trade, that remains to be seen, but I will almost always take the team getting the above average QB (who is already a proven commodity).
I am unsure what your point is. I think we're all in agreement about Wilson but are you saying their draft strategy worked the last couple of years? Because if it had then they would not have needed to trade Wilson. Hell, they gave up a 1 and a 3 for a safety.
Re-read the post I quoted and then my reply. I think what I meant was quite clear (and it wasn't your interpretation).
OK - I see where your coming from. My bad......
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No worries.
I heard it said the other day that the problem is that the scouts and Schneider decide they want to this, that, and the other when it comes to the draft, and then Pete Carroll comes in and overrules them all (and Schneider somehow lets him). That would explain why Schneider went from being a GM who drafted great to one who misses more than hits lately.
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Fuck yeah!
https://twitter.com/NFLSTROUD/status/1503147571635798017?t=jPy3u2qQrgGfvQGT_Xue-Q&s=19
Brady's back with the Bucs.
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Man, I love seeing the Brady haters cry. Lol
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Any truth to the rumor that Brady retired so he could have more time to kiss his son on the mouth, but when his son put a stop to it, Tom said, "to hell with it, I will keep playing?"
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Well it WAS a smart decision. He is once again in the weakest division in the league because the Saints don’t have a QB, and in a conference with very little QB resistance outside of Rodgers and Stafford. All the good QBs are in the AFC now.
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Didn't see this coming, but yes, if he is healthy, which he clearly is, isn't going to be pummeled each week, still has a talented crew to throw to, and is in the weaker conference, and you aren't Favre'ing it, let's go!
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I saw someone post on Facebook -- and I swear this person was serious -- that it was selfish of Brady to make this announcement now and steal thunder from the minor league basketball tournament. :lol :lol
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I wonder what happens to the auction sale of Tom Brady's "final" TD football that sold for over $500k.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33493411/retired-qb-tom-brady-final-touchdown-ball-goes-518k-auction
I would think this would become a void sale, depending on how the listing was described. My guess is that the seller is the one who's going to lose out on making money as the buyer probably can back out.
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I just want to feel joy again…
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I wonder what happens to the auction sale of Tom Brady's "final" TD football that sold for over $500k.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33493411/retired-qb-tom-brady-final-touchdown-ball-goes-518k-auction
I would think this would become a void sale, depending on how the listing was described. My guess is that the seller is the one who's going to lose out on making money as the buyer probably can back out.
I would be absolutely shocked if that were the case. The circumstance that changed was (1) outside the seller's control, and (2) something that the buyer knew (or should have known) was possible at the time of the transaction. In fact, did he even file whatever papers are filed when a player retires (i.e., was he actually retired)? I can't conceive that an experienced auction house would include language in the sale documents that would allow for rescission of the transaction if Brady decided to "un-retire."
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Maybe he can make a better announcement next time he retires now!
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the minor league basketball tournament. :lol :lol
The NCAA Tournament is some of the best and most exciting basketball that you'll ever see. I hate the NBA, but devour college basketball like crazy.
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My take on Brady's retirement back when it happened was that the situation might have been overtaken by events. I wasn't sure he actually intended to retire, he claimed to still be mulling it over, but once the rumors started and teams started issuing formal statements he felt he had to go along with it. I think today kind of proved that. He didn't seriously retire and only need 6 weeks to change his mind. He needed time to figure it out, and people threw him a retirement party in the interim.
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I wonder what happens to the auction sale of Tom Brady's "final" TD football that sold for over $500k.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33493411/retired-qb-tom-brady-final-touchdown-ball-goes-518k-auction
I would think this would become a void sale, depending on how the listing was described. My guess is that the seller is the one who's going to lose out on making money as the buyer probably can back out.
I would be absolutely shocked if that were the case. The circumstance that changed was (1) outside the seller's control, and (2) something that the buyer knew (or should have known) was possible at the time of the transaction. In fact, did he even file whatever papers are filed when a player retires (i.e., was he actually retired)? I can't conceive that an experienced auction house would include language in the sale documents that would allow for rescission of the transaction if Brady decided to "un-retire."
Even when the original retirement "announcement' happened, the Bucs never put Brady on the retired list, there was talk that the Bucs wouldn't place him until June or July when the cap hit was minimal. So Brady had not officially retired with the NFL unlike Ali Marpet the Guard who recently retired, he's submitted his retirement paperwork to the NFL. Of course he can still un-retire, just has to do more paperwork than Brady.
But yeah it seems like a very unique situation to be honest.
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My take on Brady's retirement back when it happened was that the situation might have been overtaken by events. I wasn't sure he actually intended to retire, he claimed to still be mulling it over, but once the rumors started and teams started issuing formal statements he felt he had to go along with it. I think today kind of proved that. He didn't seriously retire and only need 6 weeks to change his mind. He needed time to figure it out, and people threw him a retirement party in the interim.
One of the writers up here, Ben Volin thought Brady was going to move into owning the Dolphins as a minority owner but the the Flores suit threw a monkey wrench into it. Brady is friends with another minority owner who in the contract gets 1st crack at buying the team.
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JC Jackson to the Chargers
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JC Jackson to the Chargers
Surprising absolutely nobody. We'll see how he pans out. In the meantime I'm sure he's filthy stinking rich now, so good on him.
edit: Or maybe not. I was expecting him to do better than that. He must really like Sunny So-Cal or something. He's now tied for sixth with Byron Jones after signing for exactly what Jones signed for 2 years ago.
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the minor league basketball tournament. :lol :lol
The NCAA Tournament is some of the best and most exciting basketball that you'll ever see. I hate the NBA, but devour college basketball like crazy.
I get where you're coming from, but (1) among the best teams, it's absolutely minor league basketball (just as college football is minor league football), (2) it's still basketball and, for the most part, yawn, (3) a lot of the best stuff happens during the work day, so I only see highlights, and (4) it's shit compared to what it was in the '80s and early '90s when kids stuck around their full careers. Of course, my point was that it was absurd for someone to object to the timing of Brady's announcement because it happened to come x days before the basketball tournament started as though Brady had some obligation to give a rat's behind or there aren't other things going on in sports. Maybe the person was also bothered that MLB had the temerity to end its lockout and take press away from the tournament.
My take on Brady's retirement back when it happened was that the situation might have been overtaken by events. I wasn't sure he actually intended to retire, he claimed to still be mulling it over, but once the rumors started and teams started issuing formal statements he felt he had to go along with it. I think today kind of proved that. He didn't seriously retire and only need 6 weeks to change his mind. He needed time to figure it out, and people threw him a retirement party in the interim.
Agree.
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Kirk Cousins is killing it in the bank. Saw this tweet that shows how much he's made and going to make.
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1503156142054203393?s=20&t=oXUr8sVYF6Uwo5l1MsSayA (https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1503156142054203393?s=20&t=oXUr8sVYF6Uwo5l1MsSayA)
Kirk Cousins 💰👑
2016: $19.9M fully-guaranteed
2017: $23.9M fully-guaranteed
2018: $26M fully-guaranteed
2019: $28M fully-guaranteed
2020: $40M fully-guaranteed
2021: $21M fully-guaranteed
2022: $30M fully-guaranteed
2023: $40M fully-guaranteed
Over $230M in his career total.
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Cousins is not the clown that some make him out to be, but similar to Dak, it is hard to build a winning team when you are paying a good QB top QB money.
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I saw someone post on Facebook -- and I swear this person was serious -- that it was selfish of Brady to make this announcement now and steal thunder from the minor league basketball tournament. :lol :lol
They were talking about this on ESPN radio today. F that; just shows how dominant the NFL really is. They’ve done this before and will do it again.
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Do we have an embarrassing moments thread? I’m in California this week, about 45 minutes south of San Francisco and yes…. I drove by Tom Brady’s childhood home. I’d show you the picture but it came out blurred. :loser: ;D
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Do we have an embarrassing moments thread? I’m in California this week, about 45 minutes south of San Francisco and yes…. I drove by Tom Brady’s childhood home. I’d show you the picture but it came out blurred. :loser: ;D
That had to be deflating. ;)
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Bucs lose Safety Jordan Whitehead to the Jets, re-sign C Jensen and get WR Gage from the Falcons. Also getting G Shaq Mason from the Pats for a 5th round pick. That seems like a steal? I thought Shaq Mason was a highly rated Guard.
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Bucs lose Safety Jordan Whitehead to the Jets, re-sign C Jensen and get WR Gage from the Falcons. Also getting G Shaq Mason from the Pats for a 5th round pick. That seems like a steal? I thought Shaq Mason was a highly rated Guard.
He is. I think PFF had him at like #35. It was a salary cap move for the Pats.
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Weird to move your best lineman when you have a young QB.
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Do we have an embarrassing moments thread? I’m in California this week, about 45 minutes south of San Francisco and yes…. I drove by Tom Brady’s childhood home. I’d show you the picture but it came out blurred. :loser: ;D
That had to be deflating. ;)
Haha, well-played my friend. Well-played.
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Do we have an embarrassing moments thread? I’m in California this week, about 45 minutes south of San Francisco and yes…. I drove by Tom Brady’s childhood home. I’d show you the picture but it came out blurred. :loser: ;D
That had to be deflating. ;)
Haha, well-played my friend. Well-played.
Unlike the Patriots defense in Super Bowl 52. (sorry but this is fun)
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I had no idea there'd been so much shifting in the broadcast booths. Christ, it's getting to the point where making a gazillion dollars playing football is only an entry in the more lucrative world of sports broadcasting.
Don't really see the upside here of Buck/Aikman moving to MNF. On FOX they were the A team, and thus always got the best NFC game of the week. On MNF they're going to be saddled covering shit games week in and week out. And I don't reckon the schedule is all that different. Aside from the consistency of every game starting at the same time, nothing else really changes for them. Unless, they're going to call every game from a studio, and fuck that. I can't imagine the money would be that much better, as FOX would probably have given them anything they wanted to stick around. What, Murdoch could give Troy 13m, but couldn't afford 16?
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They've won so many Superbowls, I can't remember what Superbowl #'s are what games?
That is fun!
El Barto, Their Like NBA players now. Trying to match up to make super teams. It's all these new markets now that allowed this to happen really.
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I had no idea there'd been so much shifting in the broadcast booths. Christ, it's getting to the point where making a gazillion dollars playing football is only an entry in the more lucrative world of sports broadcasting.
Don't really see the upside here of Buck/Aikman moving to MNF. On FOX they were the A team, and thus always got the best NFC game of the week. On MNF they're going to be saddled covering shit games week in and week out. And I don't reckon the schedule is all that different. Aside from the consistency of every game starting at the same time, nothing else really changes for them. Unless, they're going to call every game from a studio, and fuck that. I can't imagine the money would be that much better, as FOX would probably have given them anything they wanted to stick around. What, Murdoch could give Troy 13m, but couldn't afford 16?
Weren't they moved to TNF covering shit games to boost ratings? Just a hunch, but maybe they're going to MNF for the same reasons. :dunno:
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I had no idea there'd been so much shifting in the broadcast booths. Christ, it's getting to the point where making a gazillion dollars playing football is only an entry in the more lucrative world of sports broadcasting.
Don't really see the upside here of Buck/Aikman moving to MNF. On FOX they were the A team, and thus always got the best NFC game of the week. On MNF they're going to be saddled covering shit games week in and week out. And I don't reckon the schedule is all that different. Aside from the consistency of every game starting at the same time, nothing else really changes for them. Unless, they're going to call every game from a studio, and fuck that. I can't imagine the money would be that much better, as FOX would probably have given them anything they wanted to stick around. What, Murdoch could give Troy 13m, but couldn't afford 16?
Weren't they moved to TNF covering shit games to boost ratings? Just a hunch, but maybe they're going to MNF for the same reasons. :dunno:
I'm not certain, but I don't think they were "moved" to TNF. They still covered their regular FOX game of the week. My guess is that they signed on to cover some of the TNF games (originally it was only a handful), due in part to the fact that they'd be incredibly easy for them. They didn't even have to travel. This would be the exact same gig they had with FOX, except with no control over the games they cover. Some other crew is going to get to cover Rams-Bucks while get the coveted Jets-Dolphins game.
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Yeah, moved probably wasn't the right word, but my main point was the boosting of ratings. MNF ratings haven't been that good since going to ESPN.
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Yeah, moved probably wasn't the right word, but my main point was the boosting of ratings. MNF ratings haven't been that good since going to ESPN.
Definitely. I totally get why ESPN would want them, along with every other outlet showing NFL games. I just don't get why they'd want it. It's better for ESPN, although it's not enough to make up for the bigger failings. It's a big step down for Buck/Aikman, insofar as I can tell.
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Josh McDaniels is starting to piss me off. Can't help but think that he's not going to do any better by poaching all of he Patriots players and coaches he can, he is what he is and the Raiders are what they are, but he is going to stick it to the NE organization by trying. He's not going to recreate what he had no matter who he takes with him. Insofar as the players go, I liked having Jakob Johnson as a FB. Good player and apparently a good guy, but he needs to do what he needs to do. He's always been a bubble player, and if JMD is going to give him a ton of money he needs to jump all over it. That doesn't apply to Bolden, though. He's just getting away from the team, and that bugs me.
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Josh McDaniels is starting to piss me off. Can't help but think that he's not going to do any better by poaching all of he Patriots players and coaches he can, he is what he is and the Raiders are what they are, but he is going to stick it to the NE organization by trying. He's not going to recreate what he had no matter who he takes with him. Insofar as the players go, I liked having Jakob Johnson as a FB. Good player and apparently a good guy, but he needs to do what he needs to do. He's always been a bubble player, and if JMD is going to give him a ton of money he needs to jump all over it. That doesn't apply to Bolden, though. He's just getting away from the team, and that bugs me.
What great coach did he poach from the Pats?
Maybe it's Bill that should piss you off.
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Josh McDaniels is starting to piss me off. Can't help but think that he's not going to do any better by poaching all of he Patriots players and coaches he can, he is what he is and the Raiders are what they are, but he is going to stick it to the NE organization by trying. He's not going to recreate what he had no matter who he takes with him. Insofar as the players go, I liked having Jakob Johnson as a FB. Good player and apparently a good guy, but he needs to do what he needs to do. He's always been a bubble player, and if JMD is going to give him a ton of money he needs to jump all over it. That doesn't apply to Bolden, though. He's just getting away from the team, and that bugs me.
What great coach did he poach from the Pats?
Maybe it's Bill that should piss you off.
Individually none. Collectively a meaningful chunk of their staff.
And Bill's done nothing to piss me off.
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I agree with you, Barto, about Buck and Aikman and ESPN. MNF has seemingly gotten the shit end of the stick in recent years as far as primo games, so I am guessing ESPN is hoping that by having those two as their tandem, the NFL will start giving them better games as as a result. SNF took over years ago and seemingly always gets the best games, and even Thursday night matchups in recent years were better than the Monday night ones, so we will see. I think the problem is that the Monday night game used to feel special, but for many of us, with so much football now from Thursday through Sunday, but the time Monday rolls around and the work week starts, we are ready for a break from it for a few days, yet the MNF game still lingers.
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Josh McDaniels is starting to piss me off. Can't help but think that he's not going to do any better by poaching all of he Patriots players and coaches he can, he is what he is and the Raiders are what they are, but he is going to stick it to the NE organization by trying. He's not going to recreate what he had no matter who he takes with him. Insofar as the players go, I liked having Jakob Johnson as a FB. Good player and apparently a good guy, but he needs to do what he needs to do. He's always been a bubble player, and if JMD is going to give him a ton of money he needs to jump all over it. That doesn't apply to Bolden, though. He's just getting away from the team, and that bugs me.
What great coach did he poach from the Pats?
Maybe it's Bill that should piss you off.
Individually none. Collectively a meaningful chunk of their staff.
And Bill's done nothing to piss me off.
That's all they are..staff. It's not like it's a collection of fine coaches. They all did what Bill told them to do.
You seriously don't scratch your head with Belichick's off season?
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Yeah, moved probably wasn't the right word, but my main point was the boosting of ratings. MNF ratings haven't been that good since going to ESPN.
Definitely. I totally get why ESPN would want them, along with every other outlet showing NFL games. I just don't get why they'd want it. It's better for ESPN, although it's not enough to make up for the bigger failings. It's a big step down for Buck/Aikman, insofar as I can tell.
Do any of these announcer changes result in me not having to hear Jim Nantz sexting about Patrick Mahomes each week?
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I'll tell you what pisses me off about Bill. GM Bill.
GM Bill told us for years you can't pay a QB big money and fill a team but now he has a QB on a rookie deal and this off season is a train wreck.
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I'll tell you what pisses me off about Bill. GM Bill.
GM Bill told us for years you can't pay a QB big money and fill a team but now he has a QB on a rookie deal and this off season is a train wreck.
As is his "coaching" staff and it has nothing to do with Josh.
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Not even that which seems nuts, it's the signing of old players while players in their prime with decent contracts like Mason, their best O-lineman. Gets traded with 2 years left on his contract. Never mind 2 other starters will leave also. Not great for your 2nd year QB.
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So ESPN is going to have both the Manningcast AND Joe Buck and Troy Aikman? I hope they let the looser version of Joe Buck commentate, when he was on with the Manning brothers, he was hilarious.
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Not even that which seems nuts, it's the signing of old players while players in their prime with decent contracts like Mason, their best O-lineman. Gets traded with 2 years left on his contract. Never mind 2 other starters will leave also. Not great for your 2nd year QB.
Those old players (McCourty, Slater) are basically now player-coaches.
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New England's not in as bad a cap crunch as people think. They lost two of their most coveted players, which is something that happens to everybody. In the meantime they're actually getting pretty decent value out of a roster of veterans and youngsters. Yes, it sucks that they couldn't keep Shaq Mason, but welcome to the NFL. In the meantime next year they'll have over 100 million in cap space and a solid core of players under contract. Belichick's history as a GM is certainly replete with headscratchers, but seriously, NE could do far, far worse.
Seriously, people need to realize that when they get their intel from people hellbent to generate controversy the picture will seldom look rosy.
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Not even that which seems nuts, it's the signing of old players while players in their prime with decent contracts like Mason, their best O-lineman. Gets traded with 2 years left on his contract. Never mind 2 other starters will leave also. Not great for your 2nd year QB.
Those old players (McCourty, Slater) are basically now player-coaches.
This I agree with, and it's one of the reasons I'm sorry to see Bolden go.
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I get not signing Jackson. I don't get trading your best O-lineman who has 2 years left on a very reasonable contract. Nevermind Ted Karras and Shaq Mason gone and Trent Brown a free agent who most likely will get a huge contract but you are relying on Winn to stay healthy all year when he obviously can't? That's my issue.
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Also the Pats have 13 million now in cap space. That's not great especially with the rookie class coming in.
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Seriously, people need to realize that when they get their intel from people hellbent to generate controversy the picture will seldom look rosy.
Is this for me?
Sure I'm s big Mike Felger fan, and yes, he's a shit stirrer, but after following Boston sports media for 30 years, he's also the keenest. But the Pats have a host of media shills like Mike Reiss as well. The thing about Boston sports is that there's a TON of viewpoints to parse through.
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El Barto doesn't know Felger. :lol
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El Barto doesn't know Felger. :lol
Did you listen/watch today? Ted Johnson was excellent filling in for Mazz.
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Yes I did. I like him too.
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Yeah, moved probably wasn't the right word, but my main point was the boosting of ratings. MNF ratings haven't been that good since going to ESPN.
Definitely. I totally get why ESPN would want them, along with every other outlet showing NFL games. I just don't get why they'd want it. It's better for ESPN, although it's not enough to make up for the bigger failings. It's a big step down for Buck/Aikman, insofar as I can tell.
To put this into context, Troy's contract with Fox expired after this season and Joe's contract I believe expires this year. Fox gave Troy an offer but it was well below market value and when Troy pushed back, Fox didn't respond. I guess they decided to move on from Troy because they decided not to pursue him. It's pretty unthinkable because Joe and Troy are HoF broadcasters IMO.
Now the only question is whether Joe will still broadcast baseball's World Series.
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Yeah, moved probably wasn't the right word, but my main point was the boosting of ratings. MNF ratings haven't been that good since going to ESPN.
Definitely. I totally get why ESPN would want them, along with every other outlet showing NFL games. I just don't get why they'd want it. It's better for ESPN, although it's not enough to make up for the bigger failings. It's a big step down for Buck/Aikman, insofar as I can tell.
To put this into context, Troy's contract with Fox expired after this season and Joe's contract I believe expires this year. Fox gave Troy an offer but it was well below market value and when Troy pushed back, Fox didn't respond. I guess they decided to move on from Troy because they decided not to pursue him. It's pretty unthinkable because Joe and Troy are HoF broadcasters IMO.
Now the only question is whether Joe will still broadcast baseball's World Series.
That makes sense. As an explanation, that is, not FOX's stance. However, I think the contract situations were reversed. Pretty sure Buck had a year left and FOX waived it.
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The thing that struck me as weird about Aikman/Buck to MNF is that they won't even be getting the full MNF audience for a lot of games, since the Manningcast will be getting at least half the draw.
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Maybe that's why they went with the big guns for their broadcast. Though they are battling against themselves there. I do enjoy watching the Manningcast.
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Yeah, Buck/Aikman will be getting more audience than the previous cast did. Not sure how significant that will be.
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Yeah, Buck/Aikman will be getting more audience than the previous cast did. Not sure how significant that will be.
To Kev's point a couple of posts ago, the NFL will schedule more relevant games on Monday because of the duo. As a football fan, I would rather watch Joe and Troy call say a Buffalo/KC game than the Manning bros call the same game.
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Do we have an embarrassing moments thread? I’m in California this week, about 45 minutes south of San Francisco and yes…. I drove by Tom Brady’s childhood home. I’d show you the picture but it came out blurred. :loser: ;D
Nothing wrong with that.
We took a vacation to LA during the summer of 1994. My parents mulled over whether to cancel the trip, as OJ's trial was on-going and they did not want to be in the city with us kids if a verdict came down and riots broke out. The trial wasn't going to end by that time, so we took our trip.
We were in a rental car and my dad drove to the Bundy Drive residence, where Nicole's condo is and where the murders occurred. There were barricades on the street. So he parked the car and then walked around the barricades and snapped a quick picture of the front of the house, with his camera slung around his neck. A cop was in a marked car further down the street - he saw my dad, got out and told my dad he wasn't allowed to be past the barricades. My dad shrugged his shoulders and said "oh i'm sorry, I'm from Illinois and didn't realize I couldn't get ouf the car and walk over here. :lol
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Do we have an embarrassing moments thread? I’m in California this week, about 45 minutes south of San Francisco and yes…. I drove by Tom Brady’s childhood home. I’d show you the picture but it came out blurred. :loser: ;D
Nothing wrong with that.
We took a vacation to LA during the summer of 1994. My parents mulled over whether to cancel the trip, as OJ's trial was on-going and they did not want to be in the city with us kids if a verdict came down and riots broke out. The trial wasn't going to end by that time, so we took our trip.
We were in a rental car and my dad drove to the Bundy Drive residence, where Nicole's condo is and where the murders occurred. There were barricades on the street. So he parked the car and then walked around the barricades and snapped a quick picture of the front of the house, with his camera slung around his neck. A cop was in a marked car further down the street - he saw my dad, got out and told my dad he wasn't allowed to be past the barricades. My dad shrugged his shoulders and said "oh i'm sorry, I'm from Illinois and didn't realize I couldn't get ouf the car and walk over here. :lol
Wow. Makes me feel like a pussy for showing my kids the Full House house in San Fransisco. :lol
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I didn't need that information to know that Tim.
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Packers trading Davante Adams to the Raiders.
AFC West is gonna be insane.
Also, LOL at Aaron Rodgers. :lol :lol :lol
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Packers trading Davante Adams to the Raiders.
AFC West is gonna be insane.
They're gonna put up 3000 points this year (and give up 3500).
Also, LOL at Aaron Rodgers. :lol :lol :lol
Damn, that's gotta sting.
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But Aaron got his money so he needs to STFU about the trade
Any bets that he can't stay silent? Lol
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Sounds like Rodgers signed his deal knowing Adams would not be coming back, and I think this is actually good for him. He was too overly dependent on Adams. As soon as that TE fumbled against the 49ers, he ignored all of his WRs for the rest of the game except for Adams, and they ended up losing a home playoff game 13-10. Packers can draft a WR or two and still sign one of the cheaper guys out there. Rodgers was a stud long before Adams showed up in GB (he made Jordy freaking Nelson a stud), and I think he'll be mostly fine.
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Still bad though. If he knew he just took more and let's his buddy get traded. Instead of taking less and adding another to spread the wealth on the field as well.
Call me crazy but to me, Rodgers seems to be down the same path as he's always been. I expect, playoff exits again.
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Sounds like Rodgers signed his deal knowing Adams would not be coming back, and I think this is actually good for him. He was too overly dependent on Adams. As soon as that TE fumbled against the 49ers, he ignored all of his WRs for the rest of the game except for Adams, and they ended up losing a home playoff game 13-10. Packers can draft a WR or two and still sign one of the cheaper guys out there. Rodgers was a stud long before Adams showed up in GB (he made Jordy freaking Nelson a stud), and I think he'll be mostly fine.
Yep, agree with this. But as a long time Packers fan still feels devastating to lose Adams.
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Rumor is that Deshaun Watson has narrowed down the teams to the Falcons or Saints. Some local ATL reporter is claiming the deal is being done right now.
And Baker Mayfield appears to be asking for a trade from the Browns and they're saying no. Off season is really turning out to be a lot of drama. first off season I'm following so closely.
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Rumor is that Deshaun Watson has narrowed down the teams to the Falcons or Saints. Some local ATL reporter is claiming the deal is being done right now.
Massage therapists in both Atlanta and New Orleans went to sleep last night praying their city isn't the one.
And Baker Mayfield appears to be asking for a trade from the Browns and they're saying no. Off season is really turning out to be a lot of drama. first off season I'm following so closely.
Colin Cowherd is taking a victory lap about Mayfield the last few days, as he was dead right about him all along. Solid QB, but too immature to be a difference maker. You can't blame Cleveland for looking to upgrade, as the AFC is loaded now with above average QBs, and they have to know that winning the AFC with a subpar guy like Baker would take a minor miracle.
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I’ve had the night to digest to the Adams trade and after initially thinking they didn’t get enough back, I actually think they did fine. Almost every receiver that put up gaudy numbers in Green Bay regressed as soon as they left, and having that much money tied up in Rodgers AND Adams is not ideal. Plus, the team didn’t lose a game when Adams was unable to play (7-0), under Matt LaFleur.
The worst part it makes the Love pick a couple of years ago look even worse than it did when it happened. If they can recoup at least a third round pick for Love they will have a ton of draft capital to reload, assuming they make the right picks.
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Well all I have to say is that this offseason is proving to be every bit as exciting as last year's postseason. :metal
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HO. LEE. COW.
https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2022/3/18/22985467/breaking-the-browns-are-trading-for-deshaun-watson (https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2022/3/18/22985467/breaking-the-browns-are-trading-for-deshaun-watson)
:o :o :o :o
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HO. LEE. COW.
https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2022/3/18/22985467/breaking-the-browns-are-trading-for-deshaun-watson (https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2022/3/18/22985467/breaking-the-browns-are-trading-for-deshaun-watson)
:o :o :o :o
I just saw that lolll what the fuck...
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Baffling. Why would you take a chance on that dude? Leave the fact that he's facing 22 sexual assault charges aside.....he's not really all that good a QB.
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Fully guaranteed 5 years for $230M. That's crazy.
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So, now Watson is the highest paid player in NFL history instead of Rodgers? :lol
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I always rooted for the Browns, but their failures are not the result of bad breaks or bad luck. They do it to themselves. I hope Watson never plays a down for them and Mayfield lights them up every time he plays them.
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Weren't the criminal charges against him dropped? If that's the case the league will probably reinstate him. I'm thinking that only the civil cases remain.
In any case, dumb move simply for the amount. Dude's somebody you take a gamble on, the potential upside is huge, but not somebody you mortgage everything to buy. It also upends the rest of the league since the bar has moved dramatically. It's like the Jay Cutler contract that made his silly ass the highest paid player by a giant margin.
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He was so good on a bad team that teams are willing to give the farm for him. Even with the issues.
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Weren't the criminal charges against him dropped? If that's the case the league will probably reinstate him. I'm thinking that only the civil cases remain.
In any case, dumb move simply for the amount. Dude's somebody you take a gamble on, the potential upside is huge, but not somebody you mortgage everything to buy. It also upends the rest of the league since the bar has moved dramatically. It's like the Jay Cutler contract that made his silly ass the highest paid player by a giant margin.
Regardless if the charges were dropped or not….where there’s smoke there’s fire and to GUARANTEE someone with that type of cloud following him around that kind of money is just dumb. What has the dude proven to even garner the interest he’s been shown? Nothing. A good season a couple seasons ago. It’s utterly baffling that this deal has been made and simply put the Browns deserve the inevitable that will happen to them. This franchise was just destroyed.
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The crazy thing is that 99% of grand jury cases end up in a conviction. For him to have it dropped seemed implausible.
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I suspect it will not work out for them as hoped, but I will give the Browns credit for taking their shot and getting a top 10 NFL QB. Their upside as a team was limited in the loaded AFC with an immature and mediocre Baker at QB, so they are throwing a HM and hoping Watson works out.
I would laugh my ass off if the Browns traded Mayfield to the Lions. :lol :lol
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HO. LEE. COW.
https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2022/3/18/22985467/breaking-the-browns-are-trading-for-deshaun-watson (https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2022/3/18/22985467/breaking-the-browns-are-trading-for-deshaun-watson)
:o :o :o :o
Didn’t he officially declare them OUT a couple days ago? I thought it was down to N’awlins and Hot’lanta?
Where does Mayfield go? He’s good but immature. I like him so I want to see him with Frank Reich in Indy.
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By the way it’s not just the money: THREE first rounders, a third and a fifth for the trade. That gives new meaning to “all in”.
I’m also hearing that the first year is only $1M and the speculation is somewhere in the vicinity of a six game suspension so he won’t lose much pay if the NFL suspends him. Man.
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By the way it’s not just the money: THREE first rounders, a third and a fifth for the trade. That gives new meaning to “all in”.
Plus some reporters are speculating maybe six games suspension under player conduct policy. Knowing all that teams still wanted to get him.
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John Clayton passed away. God rest his soul.
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That's too bad.
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Holy shit! I would listen to him on local radio guest spots every day at 745a and 4p. He had a Saturday show too but I don't usually listen to the radio on weekends. I knew he was off this week but thought it was just a scheduled break. I believe his wife was not well, I think she has MS so thought maybe it was related to that.
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Just read about John Clayton. Very sad.... way too young.
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It's finally hit the local news here, but I cannot find anything about a cause.
I tend to not get too emotional about the deaths of people I've never met, and while I am not saying this has me broken up inside, I will definitely feel it Monday morning at 745a that first time when he isn't in his usual radio spot.
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His sports center and with the slayer shirt was brilliant.
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Switched over to ESPN during one the countless NCAA tournament commercials one minute after reading this thread. And they did a way too brief obituary. One of ‘old school’ guys. Bright and witty. Of all things, I remember that Sportscenter ad as well....taking off the long haired wig in his bedroom. :lol We’re losing too many of these people without getting the same quality replacements
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His sports center ad with the slayer shirt was brilliant.
I was just going to say I guess he finished his segment.
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His sports center and with the slayer shirt was brilliant.
Oh definitely.
We’re losing too many of these people without getting the same quality replacements
That's an interesting thought.
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Outlets like ESPN don't want journalists like John Clayton any longer, that isn't what they are shooting for now.
Haven't read anything about an official cause yet, other than "a brief illness."
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Bucs RB Fournette is visiting the Patriots today, I thought they were already stacked at RB. Guess depth is better, I was hoping he'd be back with the Bucs as he really gelled with the offense.
Matty Ice to the Colts, Jameis back at QB with the Saints. Interesting stuff going in off-season and it's only been a week.
The Urban Meyer article that came out on The Athletic has some really hilarious stuff. I get the Meyer wasn't ready for the NFL but I think what surprises me most is that the Jags GM/ownership were committed to him for 4 yours and the whole general disconnect Meyer seems to have on what the coaching an NFL team is supposed to be like.
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Jakob Johnson admitted today in an interview that the Pats are not using fullback this year. Changing up what they do.
Interesting to read. I'll assume more with tight ends this year.
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And with Baker Mayfield we shall see - yes, we shall see.......
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Jakob Johnson admitted today in an interview that the Pats are not using fullback this year. Changing up what they do.
Interesting to read. I'll assume more with tight ends this year.
On the one hand it makes quite a bit of sense. NE likes 3 receiver sets and 2 TE sets, and having a FB precludes that. They're essentially unloading the FB position to get Jonnu Smith on the field more. At the same time, NE has tried, somewhat successfully to establish itself as a power run team. That'll be a little more difficult without a proper fullback. I suppose between Henry, Smith, Asiasi, and Keene, one of them might be able to play an H-back role, but it's not quite the same.
At the same time, they secured [thank the gods] Trent Brown, and if they put Onewenu next to him they're still moving the line forward on that side of the center. They'll have to replace Shaq with somebody, but if they find the right guy they'll still run the ball alright.
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The Colts getting Matt Ryan while only having to give up a 3rd round pick is a steal. Even if he is older now, he is a pocket passer, and he should do great in that offense behind that great o-line and with a stud at RB. The AFC just keeps getting tougher. :lol
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The Colts getting Matt Ryan while only having to give up a 3rd round pick is a steal. Even if he is older now, he is a pocket passer, and he should do great in that offense behind that great o-line and with a stud at RB. The AFC just keeps getting tougher. :lol
Plus, the Colts will have the cleanest uniforms in the league! Seriously, I wasn't entirely sure Matt Ryan was still playing.
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I'd assume the Colts took on his full contract hence only giving up a 3rd round pick.
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The Colts getting Matt Ryan while only having to give up a 3rd round pick is a steal. Even if he is older now, he is a pocket passer, and he should do great in that offense behind that great o-line and with a stud at RB. The AFC just keeps getting tougher. :lol
I agree with this. I thought they’d go after Baker but shorter term this is better.
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The price was certainly right for Indi. They've got him for two years with a pretty reasonable cap hit. They can compete now, and they can look long term and draft a QB to let him understudy a longtime franchise QB.
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I always rooted for the Browns, but their failures are not the result of bad breaks or bad luck. They do it to themselves. I hope Watson never plays a down for them and Mayfield lights them up every time he plays them.
They'd finally gotten past being the 'Clowns' these past two years. Or so one thought. Their (mis)management continues to astound me.
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I always rooted for the Browns, but their failures are not the result of bad breaks or bad luck. They do it to themselves. I hope Watson never plays a down for them and Mayfield lights them up every time he plays them.
They'd finally gotten past being the 'Clowns' these past two years. Or so one thought. Their (mis)management continues to astound me.
Other than their ugly uniforms, I wouldn't be too hard on the Browns. They have some decent pieces on their team but they have gotten below average play from the QB for the last few seasons. Plus he is too cocky for his own good. The front office should be commended for going out and getting Watson AND Cooper. I think Cleveland will make some noise this year IF Watson is not suspended which he likely will be.
But I can see a scenario where they keep Baker knowing that Watson will get a suspension of probably 6 games and then they agree to trade Baker mid-season.
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I still feel like Baker could be something in the right hands. I thought that might be Frank Reich, but obvs not. John Harbaugh, maybe?
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The Ravens have a QB, and he wouldn't fit the current system.
Mayfield always irked the hell out of me. In the past couple of years, his little pressers were much better spoken, showing growth and maturity. Plus, his ad with Alice Cooper is just so fun :tup
I admired what he did last year. His body was just a physical wreck, but he showed so much fortitude and guts. Give him a chance to heal, and with continued growth, I'd take him in a heartbeat. Carolina might be his next destination.
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Chiefs send Tyreek Hill to the Dolphins.
Hill immediately signs a four year extension for $120M.
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New thread here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57367.0