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Title: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: ariich on March 12, 2021, 01:50:45 PM
The last one was 119 pages and now that Phase 4 has begun, it's probably a good time for a new thread.

Also, given that WandaVision had its own thread, I thought a good way to do things might be to make this a general thread for the MCU with no spoilers from the latest/current entries, but new movies/shows can have their own spoiler-filled threads. That would allow people who haven't caught up on the latest ones to still be able to discuss the MCU. I think we took this approach temporarily with a couple of the big Avengers movies, but any objections to doing it on an ongoing basis?

EDIT:

Old thread here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=48444.0

Spoiler-filled individual threads for Phase 4:
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on March 13, 2021, 06:50:55 AM
First!  I guess next on the docket is going to be Black Widow (finally).  jingle.son is prepared to drop the $30 it probably will be if/when it comes to Disney+.  Ain't no way theaters around here are gonna be open anytime soon, and he told me it was releasing in China soon??
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: ariich on March 13, 2021, 06:59:25 AM
Because of Covid delays, we're supposedly getting 4 movies and 6 Disney+ seasons during 2021, which is a huge step up in sheer volume of content if it happens that way.

The movies are:

Black Widow (May)
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings (July)
Eternals (November)
Spider-Man: No Way Home (December)

The shows are:

WandaVision (January)
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier (March)
Loki (June)
What If...? (mid 2021)
Ms. Marvel (late 2021)
Hawkeye (late 2021)

Of those, What If? isn't really canon except that with them seemingly introducing the multiverse, in a sense everything becomes canon but just happened in a different universe.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: faizoff on March 13, 2021, 10:19:18 AM
That's a really stacked lineup. I doubt I'm going to see any of the movies in the theater. Will just have to wait for them to come on Disney+
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Kotowboy on March 15, 2021, 04:37:35 AM
Iron Man 2 is the worst MCU film.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: DoctorAction on March 15, 2021, 02:18:16 PM
I can't wait to get more Marvel on Friday. If the cinemas aren't very open or doing well for the rest of the year, I really hope they do streaming. I'll be disappointed if timelines get pushed back again.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: romdrums on March 16, 2021, 02:44:07 PM
My wife and I are trying to catch up on the MCU.  We had been doing pretty good up through Age of Ultron, and then we had our son and other things took precedence.  We are now caught up through Captain Marvel, so, of the movies, we only have Ant Man & The Wasp and then Endgame to go. 

On the TV side of things though, we've been watching Agents of SHIELD, and, outside of Ming Na Wen, not really impressed with the show.  We're about midway through Season 2.  Does it get better?  The writing feels really clumsy, and the character Grant Ward (and the actor who plays him) just seems so stiff and awkward.  We're kind of hate watching it at this point.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: ariich on March 16, 2021, 02:56:40 PM
My wife and I are trying to catch up on the MCU.  We had been doing pretty good up through Age of Ultron, and then we had our son and other things took precedence.  We are now caught up through Captain Marvel, so, of the movies, we only have Ant Man & The Wasp and then Endgame to go. 

On the TV side of things though, we've been watching Agents of SHIELD, and, outside of Ming Na Wen, not really impressed with the show.  We're about midway through Season 2.  Does it get better?  The writing feels really clumsy, and the character Grant Ward (and the actor who plays him) just seems so stiff and awkward.  We're kind of hate watching it at this point.
I enjoyed it from the start but it definitely improves and by season 3 is pretty great.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jammindude on March 16, 2021, 07:05:42 PM
Do NOT give up on AOS.

Personally, I donít mind the early seasons like some do, but there is a definite upturn in quality in seasons 3-5 especially. And a couple of the story lines have an impact on the story line in the movies.

Heck even WandaVision had a major reveal near the end that was a major plot point in one of the later seasons of AOS. (5 or 6...canít remember)

I just bought the entire series on DVD. Canít wait for it to arrive
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on March 17, 2021, 05:15:42 AM
My wife and I are trying to catch up on the MCU.  We had been doing pretty good up through Age of Ultron, and then we had our son and other things took precedence.  We are now caught up through Captain Marvel, so, of the movies, we only have Ant Man & The Wasp and then Endgame to go. 

On the TV side of things though, we've been watching Agents of SHIELD, and, outside of Ming Na Wen, not really impressed with the show.  We're about midway through Season 2.  Does it get better?  The writing feels really clumsy, and the character Grant Ward (and the actor who plays him) just seems so stiff and awkward.  We're kind of hate watching it at this point.
I enjoyed it from the start but it definitely improves and by season 3 is pretty great.

I echo this completely.  I don't have an issue with S1 the way others do.  If you have the wherewithal to work your way thru one more season, S3 is a very good one and they only continue to improve.  However, if you aren't digging it even 1/2 way thru, it just might not be for you. Though, it may already not be for you if you didn't enjoy and/or aren't intrigued by the 2nd half of S2
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: romdrums on March 17, 2021, 08:02:45 AM
We are at the point in S2 where we found out that Whitehall killed Skye's mom, and Ward just killed his family.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 17, 2021, 08:36:50 AM
I'm one of the weirdos who enjoyed seasons 6 & 7 more than anything else.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on March 17, 2021, 08:48:48 AM
I enjoyed most of it, from start to finish.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on March 17, 2021, 09:04:53 AM
We are at the point in S2 where we found out that Whitehall killed Skye's mom, and Ward just killed his family.

Ok, so you're about 1/2 way thru S2.  I suggest giving it a go to the end.  If it doesn't float your boat, it just might not be the show for you.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: ZirconBlue on March 17, 2021, 10:41:29 AM


I'm one of the weirdos who enjoyed seasons 6 & 7 more than anything else.



I think both of those seasons benefited from having fewer episodes.  7, especially.  The first half of Season 5 could have used some similar trimming, IMO.  Season 4, with it's 3 mini-arcs made the best use of a 22-episode season, IMO. 
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Kotowboy on March 18, 2021, 03:02:25 AM
Ok - what's everyone's favourite and least favourite film in the MCU ?

My favourite : probably Infinity War or Avengers (2012) or the first Iron Man. There's loads to choose from. Thor Ragnarok is also way up there along with the first GOTG.

When they're good they're very good. Could probably cheat and say Infinity War & Endgame as one film as it was originally titled Part I and Part II.

My Least favourite is definitely Iron Man 2. Not as bad on my second viewing - but a really mediocre follow up to Iron Man - which is almost a perfect film IMO.

That or the first Captain America or any Hulk movie. Stand alone Hulk movies are never good.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: ariich on March 18, 2021, 03:37:22 AM
Personally, I'd definitely place Iron Man 2 at the bottom. It's still enjoyable, but I find it easily the weakest.

Favourite is harder, but it would be one of the following:
 - The Avengers
 - Guardians of the Galaxy
 - Captain America: Civil War
 - Black Panther
 - Infinity War
 - Captain Marvel
 - Endgame

As you can see I generally think the franchise has strengthened over time and most of my favourites are in phase 3.

Those are just the movies. I would also add WandaVision as another favourite, and also some of the Netflix shows (if they count).
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Kotowboy on March 18, 2021, 04:04:13 AM
Apart from Avengers and Iron Man - Phase 1 is not that great.

Iron Man 2 is just Mickey Rourke planning stuff for the whole film - only to turn up right at the end and almost immediately lose.

I can't even remember Sam Rockwell's part in it.

Phase 2 and 3 definitely improve as they go along. Plus I don't dislike Iron Man 3 - but I never read any comics so the Mandarin reveal went over my head

and I took it at face value.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on March 18, 2021, 07:04:24 AM
Least favorite would go to IM2 or Dark World.

Favorite on merit is probably Guardians 1 or Winter Soldier.

Nothing will ever compare to seeing Endgame on opening night in IMAX though, that was an incomparable movie experience that I doubt I'll ever have again. I even watch fan reaction vids of the on your left scene just to relive the moment.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 18, 2021, 07:42:56 AM
My least favorite is easily Thor: The Dark World.

Favorite is more difficult.  My top 4 in release order are The Avengers, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Avengers: Infinity War, and Avengers: Endgame.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: faizoff on March 18, 2021, 07:46:41 AM
I've seen 13 of the MCU movies opening night/weekend and apart from a couple of them notably Ant-Man & The Wasp, the theater was packed and filled with hardcore fans and the atmosphere was just fantastic to watch those movies. Not one single person was talking or on their phones at any time during the movie, there was loud cheering, applause, laughter, etc.. it was honestly a lot of fun every single time.

Some I saw in IMAX, some in Dolby. I think the Dolby ones were the best, sound and picture quality was unparalleled.

I still can't rank the top 5.

It will have to be among these

Iron Man
Winter Soldier
Avengers
Civil War
Infinity War
Endgame

Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: kingshmegland on March 18, 2021, 07:48:52 AM
My least favorites are The Incredible Hulk and Thor: Dark World.

Favorites are The Winter Soldier, Civil War, Infinity War, Endgame, Guardians Of The Galaxy.

Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on March 18, 2021, 08:12:31 AM
Nothing will ever compare to seeing Endgame on opening night in IMAX though, that was an incomparable movie experience that I doubt I'll ever have again. I even watch fan reaction vids of the on your left scene just to relive the moment.

Ditto.  Though, it's hard to pick between "On your left", Cap picking up Mjolnir, or "Avengers.... Assemble" as to which gave me the biggest goosebumps.  And by "goosebumps" I mean "boner"

I enjoyed Dark World well enough at the time, but it's the one that has aged the worst.  IM2 was the one I liked the least.  Least memorable for me would be GOTG2, and Ant Man & Wasp.  Both tried (too hard, imo) to capture the quirky uniqueness of their original counterpart, but both did not succeed.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on March 18, 2021, 08:56:10 AM
Favorite is Infinity War.  But Endgame, The Avengers, Homecoming, and GOTG are way, way up there too.

Least favorite probably depends on my mood at any given moment, but the candidates are Hulk, GOTG2, and Captain Marvel.  The next tier up from there would include IM2 and Thor 1 and Thor 2.  But, really, there isn't a single one that I actively dislike.  And they have all played a pretty important role in forming the complete MCU.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on March 18, 2021, 10:38:30 AM
Speaking of memorable theater moments, the crowd for Infinity War was brilliant as well. There was a group of slightly drunk, very vocal young men behind me who were fucking hysterical. When Spiderman went all ashy, one guy was all, really fucking loud, "are you crying dude?"

When the credits started rolling, same guy says totally heartbroken "did we just lose?"

I was fucking rolling.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on March 18, 2021, 10:52:01 AM
And for me, the thing is, while we might laugh at reactions like that, both films (Infinity War and Endgame) earned those types of reactions. 
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on March 18, 2021, 12:45:41 PM
And for me, the thing is, while we might laugh at reactions like that, both films (Infinity War and Endgame) earned those types of reactions.

Damn straight.  Like the chef said, I don't think I'll ever get a theater experience like either of those.  I think the biggest pop out of either movie was Thor arriving in Wakanda.

I really want to find 5.5 hours of free time some time to watch both back-to-back.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Kotowboy on March 18, 2021, 12:59:31 PM
But did anyone truly think that anyone who died in Infinity War wasn't coming back ?

I mean Endgame was originally titled Infinity War Part 2.

I thought GOTG2 was just as good as the first one and Kurt Russell was fantastic. Why have he and Jeff bridges never played brothers ?

have they even been in a film together ?!

The THOR films are mostly poop apart from Ragnarok which is awesome. Though i'm hoping that Love & Thunder doesn't double down on

the comedy. Plus I hope we get BUFF Thor back. fat Thor was funny for one film. We don't need it again.


Infinity War & Endgame are perfect cinema movies. You couldn't get the same experience watching it on TV by yourself.

The audience in my screenings were SILENT apart from the appropriate reactions. And that's what you want.

I went to a midnight premiere of The Force Awakens and they had to pause the movie to throw some people out who were shouting and throwing glass around.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on March 18, 2021, 01:32:47 PM
But did anyone truly think that anyone who died in Infinity War wasn't coming back ?

Died or who were dusted?  From what I saw, most people figured that those who dusted due to the snap were coming back.  But there was all kinds of speculation about those who actually died (e.g. Gamorra, Loki, Vision).
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Kotowboy on March 18, 2021, 04:45:22 PM
Yes dusted. For instance we already knew there was a Dr. Strange and Spidey sequel.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Zook on March 18, 2021, 05:34:03 PM
But did anyone truly think that anyone who died in Infinity War wasn't coming back ?

I mean Endgame was originally titled Infinity War Part 2.

I thought GOTG2 was just as good as the first one and Kurt Russell was fantastic. Why have he and Jeff bridges never played brothers ?

have they even been in a film together ?!

The THOR films are mostly poop apart from Ragnarok which is awesome. Though i'm hoping that Love & Thunder doesn't double down on

the comedy. Plus I hope we get BUFF Thor back. fat Thor was funny for one film. We don't need it again.


Infinity War & Endgame are perfect cinema movies. You couldn't get the same experience watching it on TV by yourself.

The audience in my screenings were SILENT apart from the appropriate reactions. And that's what you want.

I went to a midnight premiere of The Force Awakens and they had to pause the movie to throw some people out who were shouting and throwing glass around.

Hemsworth got super ripped for that Hulk Hogan biopic, so they're gonna have to make his fat suit really thin. He'll probably be fat at the beginning and time with pass, or they'll show him training.  Thanos is dead and everyone who was snapped returned,  so there's no reason for him to be depressed anymore. All is right, except Black Widow and Tony, but he seemed pretty happy with the Guardians.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on March 18, 2021, 06:01:45 PM
I'm currently making my way through all the MCU films again in release order (just finished Civil War). My choices may change once I've wrapped them up.

Favorites:
-Iron Man: Just a really solid action film. Great performances all around, great action scenes, and it does a fantastic job of making you love and care about Tony Stark as a character, despite the fact that he is a flawed hero. Everything about this one just comes together, and even if this movie had bombed and there came to be no MCU, it still serves a thoroughly enjoyable, insular experience.
-Captain America: The Winter Soldier: Probably the best choreography in the entire franchise, with great directing and editing in making the action scenes feel really visceralósomething I wished had been done more in the MCU. Just so many great moments in this one, definitely the best out of Cap's movies.
-Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2: I feel like I'm one of the few that prefers this one over the first, and I love the first as well. I feel like it took everything great about it and improved on just about everything. It further explores the themes from the first, is somehow even funnier, and even more emotional. Also, Ego is a way better villain than Ronan.
-Avengers: Infinity War: Is this one even in question? Thanos has come to be the villain of Marvel as a franchise for good reason because of this movie. Great action scenes, VFX, character dynamics, and an astounding ending.
-Avengers: Endgame: I like that the focus shifts to our heroes in this one, whereas Thanos is arguably the protagonist of IW. It's a wonderful celebration of the franchise and all these characters we've come to love over the years. Couldn't ask for a better send off.

Least favorites:
-The Incredible Hulk: It could be unfair to rate this by MCU standards, since this was before it really got its footing. Regardless, it's just super forgettable to me. It's the kind of movie you watch once and then forget most of what happened just a couple hours later.
-Thor: The Dark World: This one suffers some of the same issue as IH. Malekith is definitely one of the weakest villains of the whole franchise. Did this guy even have any lines? I honestly don't remember. It has a few good scenes (Loki's sacrifice, Frigga's fight), but other than that, it's a slog.
-Captain Marvel: I have more issues with this movie than I can explain concisely here, but let's just say it's a bit of a mess. I love Brie Larson, but her performance in this movie just didn't do it for me. There's a lot of telling and hardly any showing when it comes to our understanding of who Carol Danvers is as a person. I really wanted to like this movie, but the awkward dialogue, the hit-or-miss humor, the jumbled pacing of the story, and the utter lack of character of our main hero left me with zero urge to watch again.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: ariich on March 19, 2021, 01:06:42 AM
But did anyone truly think that anyone who died in Infinity War wasn't coming back ?
Wasn't really about that though. As you say, we knew some other films that were on their way involving dusted characters, plus they were hardly going to actually kill off half of their superhero roster permanently, so obviously we all assumed they'd come back somehow. But it will a thrilling experience because of:
 - Being surprised that they actually went ahead and did that in a major blockbuster movie;
 - Feeling the emotions of the characters and what they were going through;
 - Speculating about what would happen next and how things would get resolved (which none of us guessed correctly).
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 19, 2021, 07:30:49 AM
But did anyone truly think that anyone who died in Infinity War wasn't coming back ?
Wasn't really about that though. As you say, we knew some other films that were on their way involving dusted characters, plus they were hardly going to actually kill off half of their superhero roster permanently, so obviously we all assumed they'd come back somehow. But it will a thrilling experience because of:
 - Being surprised that they actually went ahead and did that in a major blockbuster movie;
 - Feeling the emotions of the characters and what they were going through;
 - Speculating about what would happen next and how things would get resolved (which none of us guessed correctly).
At the end of Infinity War, my wife was legit distraught and furious with me for not preparing her for the fact that so many characters would be killed.

I was so happy.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on March 19, 2021, 10:15:18 AM
Wait, what?  People die in Infinity War? 

:) :) :)
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: ZirconBlue on March 19, 2021, 12:01:32 PM


But did anyone truly think that anyone who died in Infinity War wasn't coming back ?
Wasn't really about that though. As you say, we knew some other films that were on their way involving dusted characters, plus they were hardly going to actually kill off half of their superhero roster permanently, so obviously we all assumed they'd come back somehow. But it will a thrilling experience because of:
 - Being surprised that they actually went ahead and did that in a major blockbuster movie;
 - Feeling the emotions of the characters and what they were going through;
 - Speculating about what would happen next and how things would get resolved (which none of us guessed correctly).



When I get choked up over a characters death, it's usually more about how that death impacts the other characters that gets me, more than the death itself.  That they may come back later doesn't negate the emotions of the other characters in that moment.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: ariich on March 19, 2021, 02:35:01 PM


But did anyone truly think that anyone who died in Infinity War wasn't coming back ?
Wasn't really about that though. As you say, we knew some other films that were on their way involving dusted characters, plus they were hardly going to actually kill off half of their superhero roster permanently, so obviously we all assumed they'd come back somehow. But it will a thrilling experience because of:
 - Being surprised that they actually went ahead and did that in a major blockbuster movie;
 - Feeling the emotions of the characters and what they were going through;
 - Speculating about what would happen next and how things would get resolved (which none of us guessed correctly).



When I get choked up over a characters death, it's usually more about how that death impacts the other characters that gets me, more than the death itself.  That they may come back later doesn't negate the emotions of the other characters in that moment.
Absolutely. Marvel do that sort of thing really well.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Dream Team on March 21, 2021, 06:44:15 PM
(replying to Stadler) I know you were working on seeing these in order. Please tell me youíve seen Infinity War and Endgame by now.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Dream Team on March 21, 2021, 06:45:23 PM
Apart from Avengers and Iron Man - Phase 1 is not that great.

Iron Man 2 is just Mickey Rourke planning stuff for the whole film - only to turn up right at the end and almost immediately lose.

I can't even remember Sam Rockwell's part in it.

Phase 2 and 3 definitely improve as they go along. Plus I don't dislike Iron Man 3 - but I never read any comics so the Mandarin reveal went over my head

and I took it at face value.

Seriously????? Rockwell was the most entertaining character by far. You have strange taste.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Kotowboy on March 22, 2021, 02:36:47 AM
Strange tastes - or I watched IM2 so long actually I - forgot what he did in it.

Like I said.............
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on March 22, 2021, 07:18:44 AM
(replying to Stadler) I know you were working on seeing these in order. Please tell me youíve seen Infinity War and Endgame by now.

I've watched 17 films so far.  I forget the order, so I can't remember the last one I watched (maybe Dr. Strange), but this is what I have left, and the order I'm probably going to watch them:

Black Panther
Thor: Ragnarok
Avengers: Infinity War
Ant-Man And Wasp
Avengers: End Game
Spider-Man: Far From Home

So, no, on A:IW and A:EG. 

(But I was only kidding about the spoilers thing; I do not expect people to discuss this on my schedule.)
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on March 22, 2021, 08:23:39 AM
For the ones you have left, that is the right order.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: faizoff on March 22, 2021, 08:27:27 AM
It shouldn't matter but Ragnarok released before Black Panther.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Vmadera00 on March 22, 2021, 08:48:23 AM
It shouldn't matter but Ragnarok released before Black Panther.

That is true, but Ragnarok flows better if seen right before IW because of, well, you know  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on March 22, 2021, 08:55:43 AM
Exactly.  The order that Stadler has them is a much better viewing order.  Black Panther, love it or hate it, is "generic good guy vs. bad guy superhero movie" that moves the ball very little in terms of the Infinity Saga, other than just establishing the setting of Wakanda.  Ragnarok, on the other hand, is huge in terms of setting up Infinity War.

If I ever could find the time, I would love to do a partial rewatch of Thor's journey by doing:
Thor
Avengers
Thor II
Avengers Age of Ultron
Ragnarok
Infinity War
Endgame
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: faizoff on March 22, 2021, 09:01:45 AM
True, I had forgotten the setup for Infinity War is Ragnarok. I was just going by year and sequence of release and as I said not a big deal. But yeah I would watch in the order listed.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on March 22, 2021, 09:18:26 AM
We've not stuck to release order.  We (I, since wife and daughter bailed on it) watched Captain Marvel a while ago, and we watched the two Guardians films back to back.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jammindude on March 24, 2021, 08:22:47 AM
Purchased all 7 seasons of AOS off of EBay for $60.

I canít even find any evidence that season 7 had a physical release, so Iím wondering if they are boots. If they are, they are nice ones. The artwork isnít blurry or anything. But seasons 6 and 7 look like they are packed in HQ fan art.

I have loathed the idea of boots for over a decade, but Iíve always said that the exception would be if the company refuses to make a physical copy for purchase. If thatís the case, then yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.  :yarr
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Dream Team on March 24, 2021, 08:27:25 AM
We've not stuck to release order.  We (I, since wife and daughter bailed on it) watched Captain Marvel a while ago, and we watched the two Guardians films back to back.

Make sure you watch Infinity War and Endgame in a dark room with no distractions.

I was thinking yesterday that the arcs of Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, and Thor Odinson over the course of these 20+ movies are masterful storytelling and character development. Itís unfortunate so many people miss that, and yes Iím including Scorcese.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: DoctorAction on March 24, 2021, 08:50:24 AM
Agree completely. I think it's ignored as the Marvel tone is colourful and often humorous. But making everyone dour and frowny does not make high drama. (If it did then the DC movies might have cleaned up...)
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on March 24, 2021, 09:12:22 AM
Even with what I've seen so far, I (mostly) agree with that.  I love the Stark evolution; I've come to not like Steve Rogers all that much (though he attracts hot women like bees to honey); I've not gotten far enough, I guess, with Thor, who I think I like (though he's tied to Natalie Portman, who I find annoying).
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on March 24, 2021, 09:35:28 AM
Thor's evolution really kicks into gear over the arc from Ragnarok to Infinity War to Endgame, so no surprise that you don't feel like you've gotten far with him yet. 

I won't spoil anything, but there is a moment coming up with Captain America that really will...er...allow you to compare old Cap and new Cap side by side to appreciate how far he has come.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 24, 2021, 10:01:20 AM
I won't spoil anything, but there is a moment coming up with Captain America that really will...er...allow you to compare old Cap and new Cap side by side to appreciate how far he has come.
Nicely done.
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Post by: jingle.boy on March 24, 2021, 10:37:38 AM
Even with what I've seen so far, I (mostly) agree with that.  I love the Stark evolution; I've come to not like Steve Rogers all that much (though he attracts hot women like bees to honey); I've not gotten far enough, I guess, with Thor, who I think I like (though he's tied to Natalie Portman, who I find annoying).

Interesting.  I found him rather bland from the start through to Age of Ultron.  Winter Soldier and Civil War propelled my interest and love of the character forward immensely.  You're already thru those, and still don't have much appeal for/of him, eh?  :huh
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 24, 2021, 12:33:06 PM
Even with what I've seen so far, I (mostly) agree with that.  I love the Stark evolution; I've come to not like Steve Rogers all that much (though he attracts hot women like bees to honey); I've not gotten far enough, I guess, with Thor, who I think I like (though he's tied to Natalie Portman, who I find annoying).

Interesting.  I found him rather bland from the start through to Age of Ultron.  Winter Soldier and Civil War propelled my interest and love of the character forward immensely.  You're already thru those, and still don't have much appeal for/of him, eh?  :huh
Too progressive.
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Post by: The Letter M on March 24, 2021, 01:10:03 PM
I've never been on this side of the forum before, but I was surprised to see an MCU thread here, so I figured my first post here would be about the MCU line-up shift that was announced yesterday with Black Widow now coming out in July, and Shang-Chi in September. The Eternals is still set for November, and Spider-Man No Way Home in December. If the dates for films in 2022 don't change (due to production delays), it looks like we will be getting SEVEN films in the course of a year, between Black Widow in July of 2021, through Black Panther 2 in July of 2022 (with Thor: Love And Thunder before it in May, and Doctor Strange In The Multiverse Of Madness in March).

This beats the MCU's previous record of FIVE films in one year, between GOTG Vol. 2 and Avengers Infinity War (which had Spider-Man Homecoming, Thor: Ragnarok, and Black Panther between them).

It's pretty insane that we're going from the MCU's longest gap between films (previously held between The Incredible Hulk in June 2008 and Iron Man 2 in May 2010) to having the MOST number of films in a single year's time.

-Marc.
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Post by: jingle.boy on March 24, 2021, 01:50:39 PM
Even with what I've seen so far, I (mostly) agree with that.  I love the Stark evolution; I've come to not like Steve Rogers all that much (though he attracts hot women like bees to honey); I've not gotten far enough, I guess, with Thor, who I think I like (though he's tied to Natalie Portman, who I find annoying).

Interesting.  I found him rather bland from the start through to Age of Ultron.  Winter Soldier and Civil War propelled my interest and love of the character forward immensely.  You're already thru those, and still don't have much appeal for/of him, eh?  :huh
Too progressive.

:clap:
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Post by: bosk1 on March 24, 2021, 02:23:41 PM
I've never been on this side of the forum before, but I was surprised to see an MCU thread here, so I figured my first post here would be about the MCU line-up shift that was announced yesterday with Black Widow now coming out in July, and Shang-Chi in September. The Eternals is still set for November, and Spider-Man No Way Home in December. If the dates for films in 2022 don't change (due to production delays), it looks like we will be getting SEVEN films in the course of a year, between Black Widow in July of 2021, through Black Panther 2 in July of 2022 (with Thor: Love And Thunder before it in May, and Doctor Strange In The Multiverse Of Madness in March).

This beats the MCU's previous record of FIVE films in one year, between GOTG Vol. 2 and Avengers Infinity War (which had Spider-Man Homecoming, Thor: Ragnarok, and Black Panther between them).

It's pretty insane that we're going from the MCU's longest gap between films (previously held between The Incredible Hulk in June 2008 and Iron Man 2 in May 2010) to having the MOST number of films in a single year's time.

-Marc.

And at a time when I think most of us are starving for film content on the big screen. 
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Post by: DoctorAction on March 26, 2021, 04:43:24 PM
I'm watching Thor 2. It's not great. But the scene of his mother's funeral was really beautiful, I thought.
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Post by: The Letter M on March 29, 2021, 01:41:13 PM
I'm watching Thor 2. It's not great. But the scene of his mother's funeral was really beautiful, I thought.

After Endgame came out (almost two years ago at this point), I did an MCU rewatch through the summer, and I liked Thor TDW a bit more than I did before. Time and memory kind of tainted my feelings for it, as well as the over-all internet criticisms of the film, but watching it again with Endgame's revisit of that era, I felt a bit better about certain parts of TDW. It's still not a great film, and it might be my least favorite Thor film and least favorite Phase 2 film, but there are some great moments, especially parts with Loki in the 2nd act, more Frigga than the first film, and some of the third act/final battle sequence in London.

-Marc.
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Post by: Kotowboy on March 29, 2021, 01:45:51 PM
When Lockdown 1 started in the UK I decided to watch all the MCU ( minus Spidey and Hulk which aren't on Disney ) - and Cap America 1 isn't as bad as I remember.

But Iron Man 2 is. It has nothing on the first Iron Man. Thor 1 and 2 are just ...ok.... I thought Ant Man 2 was a bit better second time - still not as good as the first one.

What is the best 'second' stand alone movie would you say GOTG2 maybe ? Almost as good - if not better than GOTG 1 for me.

Spidey Far From Home was not as good as the first one either.
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Post by: Adami on March 29, 2021, 01:46:31 PM
Cap 2. By far.

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Post by: Kotowboy on March 29, 2021, 01:48:03 PM
Is that The Winter Soldier or Civil War ? i forget the timeline.

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Post by: Vmadera00 on March 29, 2021, 01:50:50 PM
Is that The Winter Soldier or Civil War ? i forget the timeline.

Winter Soldier. Yeah I think that's the best "second" stand alone movie in the MCU, followed by GOTG2.

Though that might change with some of the upcoming films  :corn
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Post by: Adami on March 29, 2021, 01:52:15 PM
Is that The Winter Soldier or Civil War ? i forget the timeline.

Winter Soldier. I didnít love Guardians 2 a ton (though I like it) and Ant-Man 2 just isnít nearly as good as Winter Soldier.

I did really like Far From Home but I canít see any of the direct sequels touching Winter Soldier.
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Post by: Kotowboy on March 29, 2021, 01:53:19 PM
Iron Man 2 is at the bottom though for me. Maybe Dark World. But how did the same writing and directing team as IRON MAN decide than Iron Man 2 was good enough ?

It felt so phoned in on every level.
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Post by: Adami on March 29, 2021, 02:10:20 PM
I dunno. I can find a lot of enjoyable stuff in all of them. Guess I donít dwell on the negative qualities as much. I notice them and just kind of move on.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Kotowboy on March 29, 2021, 02:16:18 PM
Nothing in the MCU is as bad as Man of Steel or Batman V Superman. . .
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Post by: Adami on March 29, 2021, 02:31:11 PM
Nothing in the MCU is as bad as Man of Steel or Batman V Superman. . .

We all missed out on Iron Man asking cap if he bleeds.
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Post by: Kotowboy on March 29, 2021, 03:08:47 PM
Man Of Steel was promising but the last 40 mins is just stupid.

I know Blob liked to go on about Star Trek into Darkness sand the pointless destruction -s o I did a test one day.

I timed the final fight in Man Of Steel ( 40 mins ) and the USS Vengeance crash scene in Star Trek into Darkness ( 30 seconds )...

The destruction in MOS is literally 80x longer than the USS Vengeance crash in Into Darkness. ;D


----

You can make a 'realistic' Superman movie. Just make a Richard Donner superman movie but do as much in camera as you can. They weren't making the Dark Knight

they were making Blade Runner Superman.
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Post by: faizoff on March 29, 2021, 07:01:09 PM
I actually really like Iron Man 2 and Thor 2. I think with the 2nd Iron Man, they were beginning to put some pieces in play for the Avengers, we see Black Widow, more of Nick Fury and Colson and SHIELD has a bigger role. As many issues Thor 2 had with studio (Fiege?) interference, and the director not being happy neither was Charles Eccleston, I actually enjoyed it quite a lot.

They aren't at the bottom of my ranking, Hulk and Guardian 2 would be there. Not that they are terrible
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Post by: jammindude on March 29, 2021, 07:02:32 PM
You can make a 'realistic' Superman movie. Just make a Richard Donner superman movie but do as much in camera as you can.

Iíve never seen it, but a lot of people described Superman Returns exactly this way.
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Post by: jammindude on March 29, 2021, 07:09:56 PM
If I had to pick a least favorite, it would probably be IM3. And itís still a 6.5/10. I just thought the Killian character was the lamest villain yet (but I loved Ben Kingsleyís performance) and the whole exploding plants turning people into either super-humans or super bombs had nothing to do with anything else in the MCU, and afterwards was completely dropped and never mentioned again.

If it werenít for the excellent story line about Tonyís PTSD, and the follow up One Shot that established the real Mandarin, it would be a throw away.

All the rest are at least a 7 to me. Even both Thorís, IM2 and TIH.
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Post by: faizoff on March 29, 2021, 07:29:35 PM
Same here, they're all at least a 7 for me. Even the bottom ranked ones.
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Post by: Kotowboy on March 30, 2021, 12:51:03 AM
*Christopher Eccleston ;)


And Superman Returns was great. It's just a shame it has the involvement of Bryan Singer and Kevin Spacey...


And yeah Brandon Routh was a much better Superman than Henry Cavill.
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Post by: soupytwist on March 30, 2021, 05:24:58 AM
*Christopher Eccleston ;)


And Superman Returns was great. It's just a shame it has the involvement of Bryan Singer and Kevin Spacey...


And yeah Brandon Routh was a much better Superman than Henry Cavill.

Cavill is starting to win me over with other roles, I honestly think it's just the awful direction from Snyder that hampers his performance as Superman.

I always found Superman Returns quite a flat and forgettable film - Routh makes for a fine Superman/Clark, but Kate Bosworth is terrible.



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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 30, 2021, 08:26:38 AM
Superman Returns was fucking awful.

Cavill is fantastic as Superman.  He's an excellent pick.  He's just never been in a good Superman film.  Of course, neither has anyone else.
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Post by: ZirconBlue on March 30, 2021, 09:58:20 AM


I actually really like Iron Man 2 and Thor 2. I think with the 2nd Iron Man, they were beginning to put some pieces in play for the Avengers, we see Black Widow, more of Nick Fury and Colson and SHIELD has a bigger role. As many issues Thor 2 had with studio (Fiege?) interference, and the director not being happy neither was Charles Eccleston, I actually enjoyed it quite a lot.



My personal theory is that Ike Perlmutter was behind most of the "studio interference".   He seems much more money-driven, while Feige actually seems to care about the artistic side.  Perlmutter's decisions mostly often came down to "what will sell the most toys?" He and Feige butted heads a lot, to the point that Feige was about ready to quit.  In 2015, Feige was given complete control of Marvel Studios (leaving Perlmutter in charge of Marvel TV and the comics).  Looking at the movies released after then, you see happier directors and far fewer obvious signs of "studio interference".
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 30, 2021, 10:37:49 AM
Feige understands that if you do your best on the story/creative side, the financial side will take care of itself.

And he's right.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Kotowboy on March 30, 2021, 01:49:54 PM
Superman Returns was fucking awful.



no
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Post by: Kotowboy on March 30, 2021, 01:51:12 PM
The MCU absolutely got better with each Phase.

Phase 1 is most of the worst ( least best ) movies like Hulk and the first two Thor and Iron Man 2. Phase 2 is way more consistent and Phase three has Thor Ragnarok and Infinity War/Endgame.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 30, 2021, 02:47:56 PM
Superman Returns was fucking awful.



no
What is good about it?
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Post by: kingshmegland on March 30, 2021, 03:34:12 PM
Superman Returns dragged. I wanted to like it but it's a mediocre movie.
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Post by: Kotowboy on March 31, 2021, 03:49:22 AM
Superman IV : The Quest For Peace was fucking awful.



yes
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: soupytwist on March 31, 2021, 06:20:09 AM
Superman Returns was fucking awful.


I don't think it's awful - I'd put it above Reeves 3rd and 4th films and Man of Steel......but it is completely pointless and pretty much forgettable now - much like the Andrew Garfield Spider-Man films really.
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Post by: DoctorAction on March 31, 2021, 04:36:07 PM
I liked Brandon Routh a huge amount more than Henry Cavill. It was, overall, a bit dull tho, imo.

There were some great moments. The jumbo jet scene. Routh channeled some Reeve quality every now and again.
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Post by: Adami on March 31, 2021, 05:01:49 PM
God Dammit guys.
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Post by: Orbert on March 31, 2021, 06:31:18 PM
I don't remember much about Iron Man 2 because I remember when I did watch it, I thought it blew, so I've never seen it since.  I remember that Mickey Rourke was this ugly brooding guy that had some kind of beef with Stark, and Sam Rockwell played some smarmy guy named Justin who you just wanted to punch in the face really hard.  Sam Rockwell is one of my favorite actors and I've literally never seen him in anything and not be awesome, and this movie is no exception.  The problem is that he does it so well that I totally want to punch him in the face for two hours, and it never happens.  Not even the combined presence of Gwyneth Paltrow, Scarlett Johansson, Kate Mara, and Leslie Bibb could save this movie.  Mickey Rourke being ugly and brooding sure didn't help.  When a movie is so bad that it wastes a Sam Rockwell performance, it's bad.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on April 01, 2021, 07:45:10 AM
Henry Cavill is the best Superman ever.  Seriously, of the main Supermen, I think he's the best.   I'm sad that it appears he's been asked to move on.

Gwyneth Paltrow, Scarlett Johansson, Kate Mara, and Leslie Bibb

It's a running joke between my wife and daughter and I about the "talent" (yes, I'm being sexist here, but in my defense I'm being sexist both ways) in the MCU.   They have Liam Helmsley*, Mark Ruffalo, Chris Evans, Tom Hiddleston, Sebastian Stan, Chris Pratt, and I have...  what?    Zoe Soldana, but she's in green.   Cobie Smulders, but she's a bit part only in the action scenes.   Gwyneth Paltrow is okay, but she's more annoying than she is hot, so that detracts.  Not a fan of Natalie Portman (AT ALL), ScarJo, Kate Mara or Leslie Bibb.    You'd think for a bunch of nerds they'd put more eye-candy in there.  I guess that's Scarlett Johansen and Natalie Portman, but they don't really work for me. 

I have to make do with random Ming-Na Wen, Jaime Alexander, and Marisa Tomei sightings.

* Also a running joke; I know it's Chris Hemsworth.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on April 01, 2021, 08:15:11 AM
You missed all the best ones!  Evangaline Lilly, Elizabeth Olson, Karen Gillian, Letitia Wright, Haley Atwell, Tessa Thompson, Brie Larsen

Oh, and I'll gladly take a green Zoe Saldana.
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Post by: Stadler on April 01, 2021, 08:29:57 AM
You missed all the best ones!  Evangaline Lilly, Elizabeth Olson, Karen Gillian, Letitia Wright, Haley Atwell, Tessa Thompson, Brie Larsen

Oh, and I'll gladly take a green Zoe Saldana.

Maybe, no, yes, maybe, maybe, YES, no.      You know how TAC always makes fun of me for picking the worst album by a band, or the worst song on an album, then loving it?  I'm kind of like that with women, too, I think.  What guy doesn't think Scarlett Johanson is all that and a bag of chips?  THIS GUY.   Evangaline Lilly looks good some of the time, but I don't get the love for Elizabeth Olson; she has that sort of sk8rgrrl, chipped nail polish thing going on that I really don't like.  Give you Karen Gillian, I forgot her.  Don't think I've seen Letitia Wright yet, but Haley Atwell sometimes looks pretty and sometimes she's all jawbone, and I don't like that sort of hard look.   Big win with Tessa Thompson, though I'll give you that.   100%.   Brie Larsen?  Eh.  Indifferent, and it doesn't help that I always think of that stupid Nissan commercial first.
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Post by: Orbert on April 01, 2021, 09:34:54 AM
Stadler is obviously a man of high standards and exacting taste.  In that list, I have only one Maybe, several Yes, and a few Hell Yes.
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Post by: lonestar on April 01, 2021, 09:42:58 AM
For my personal tastes, Scarlett is pretty fucking close to top of the list of all actresses.

All the others are stunning as well...but Scarlett.... Damn....
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Post by: lordxizor on April 01, 2021, 09:49:23 AM
For my personal tastes, Scarlett is pretty fucking close to top of the list of all actresses.

All the others are stunning as well...but Scarlett.... Damn....
I don't get the love for Scarlett if we're talking looks. She's reasonably good looking, but not the goddess so many seem to think she is. To each their own I guess.
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 01, 2021, 09:52:09 AM
For my personal tastes, Scarlett is pretty fucking close to top of the list of all actresses.

All the others are stunning as well...but Scarlett.... Damn....
I don't get the love for Scarlett if we're talking looks. She's reasonably good looking, but not the goddess so many seem to think she is. To each their own I guess.

Iron Man 2 / Winter Soldier Scarlett >>>> IW/Endgame Scarlett.
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Post by: Vmadera00 on April 01, 2021, 10:08:04 AM
No love for Pom Klementieff or Kat Dennings?

(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-89d33b2bb9258570e8077267fe691e05)
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Post by: Adami on April 01, 2021, 10:14:37 AM
Elizabeth
Scarlett
Pom
Kat
Hayley
Ming Na
Karen
Alison

Yes. A thousand times yes.

The rest? Stadler can have them.
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Post by: Kotowboy on April 01, 2021, 10:43:09 AM
Quote
Henry Cavill is the best Superman ever.


No.

Out of all the Superman movies - he's the only one who doesn't act like a hero. He acts like he can't be f-ing bothered. Only cares about Lois and saving people is a chore.
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Post by: Stadler on April 01, 2021, 10:43:40 AM
For my personal tastes, Scarlett is pretty fucking close to top of the list of all actresses.

All the others are stunning as well...but Scarlett.... Damn....
I don't get the love for Scarlett if we're talking looks. She's reasonably good looking, but not the goddess so many seem to think she is. To each their own I guess.

Where's the clinking beer glasses emoji when you need it??
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on April 01, 2021, 10:45:51 AM
No love for Pom Klementieff or Kat Dennings?


Pom, yes.  Actually, maybe a YES; I don't recall seeing her yet.  Kat, maybe.  I'm a fan of red lipstick, up until it looks like spackle and exceeds the lip boundaries*.  :)  It doesn't help that I don't like her wise-ass snark all that much.


(* While I'm not really joking, that's also an inside joke; sorry.)
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Post by: Stadler on April 01, 2021, 10:48:27 AM
Quote
Henry Cavill is the best Superman ever.


No.

Out of all the Superman movies - he's the only one who doesn't act like a hero. He acts like he can't be f-ing bothered. Only cares about Lois and saving people is a chore.

But he's DREAMY.   I have absolutely zero desire to explore that aspect of my sexuality, but if I did, he, Matt Bomer, and Zak Efron would be at the top of the list.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on April 01, 2021, 10:55:29 AM
Stadler is obviously a man of high standards and exacting taste.  In that list, I have only one Maybe, several Yes, and a few Hell Yes.

Not really, though.   I'm actually fairly forgiving, in that way:   I like long hair, and a pretty smile is an absolute deal breaker.  Other than that, anything is fair game.  I don't like angles (I'd take 20 pounds overweight before I'd take 20 pounds underweight all day long), I don't like huge puffy lips, and I don't like chipped nail polish (being serious).  Other than that, pretty tolerant.  Margot Robbie, Sarah Shahi, IN, Angelina Jolie, Julia Roberts, OUT.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Orbert on April 01, 2021, 11:21:08 AM
That was supposed to be a joke.  Jingle listed several women that many guys consider very attractive, and you came back with two Nos, two Yesses, and three Maybes.  Your standards are at the very least higher than most.

A non-joking way to put it would be to say that you're just too damned picky.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on April 01, 2021, 11:27:24 AM
That was supposed to be a joke.  Jingle listed several women that many guys consider very attractive, and you came back with two Nos, two Yesses, and three Maybes.  Your standards are at the very least higher than most.

A non-joking way to put it would be to say that you're just too damned picky.

Haha, I guess.  I would have given Kirstie Alley a YES, if that helps.  :) :)
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jammindude on April 01, 2021, 11:28:59 AM
Two words

Simone. Missick.

(Misty Knight in the Netflix shows)

But Hayley Atwell is an extremely close #2.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on April 01, 2021, 11:42:34 AM
Elizabeth
Scarlett
Pom
Kat
Hayley
Ming Na
Karen
Alison

Yes. A thousand times yes.

The rest? Stadler can have them.

Alison Brie Larsen??
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 01, 2021, 12:00:26 PM
I don't get the love for Elizabeth Olson; she has that sort of sk8rgrrl, chipped nail polish thing going on that I really don't like.  G
I know exactly the vibe you're talking about, and I don't care for it either.

But I've never once gotten that vibe from Elizabeth Olsen, so I'm at a loss.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Kotowboy on April 01, 2021, 12:19:32 PM
Zak Efron ? :puke:

Let's just say there are some guys I wouldn't say no to - but I definitely would say no to him.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on April 01, 2021, 12:19:42 PM
Two words

Simone. Missick.

(Misty Knight in the Netflix shows)

But Hayley Atwell is an extremely close #2.

Hmmm. Iím trying to figure out what they have in common. But my attempts to guess have just gone tits up.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on April 01, 2021, 12:34:41 PM
Two words

Simone. Missick.

(Misty Knight in the Netflix shows)

But Hayley Atwell is an extremely close #2.

Hmmm. Iím trying to figure out what they have in common. But my attempts to guess have just gone tits up.

Ask Jammin' who his favorite* actress is (Hint:  I'll bet my CD collection he watches "Good Girls").

(* Or if not FAVORITE, then right up there at the top.)
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jammindude on April 01, 2021, 05:49:28 PM
Two words

Simone. Missick.

(Misty Knight in the Netflix shows)

But Hayley Atwell is an extremely close #2.

Hmmm. Iím trying to figure out what they have in common. But my attempts to guess have just gone tits up.


That reminds me. Kat Dennings is a close 3rd.

 ;D

And yes Stadler, Christina Hendricks is very near perfect and I watched the first episode of Good Girls mostly for her. But the show itself didnít grab me.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on April 01, 2021, 07:54:30 PM
She looks really good in that show, I'll give you that.  I also have a weird thing for Meg Whitman (the actress, not the CEO). 
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jammindude on April 01, 2021, 08:15:08 PM
She looks really good in that show, I'll give you that.  I also have a weird thing for Meg Whitman (the actress, not the CEO).

I totally get it. Not a bombshell....but I also have a thing for that ďmousyĒ look which no one gets but me.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on April 01, 2021, 08:23:58 PM
She looks really good in that show, I'll give you that.  I also have a weird thing for Meg Whitman (the actress, not the CEO).

Her?










Also itís Mae.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on April 02, 2021, 09:03:13 AM
She looks really good in that show, I'll give you that.  I also have a weird thing for Meg Whitman (the actress, not the CEO).

Her?










Also itís Mae.

Was there supposed to be a photo there?   

Yeah, it is Mae. I was testing you.   :)
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on April 02, 2021, 09:16:35 AM
She looks really good in that show, I'll give you that.  I also have a weird thing for Meg Whitman (the actress, not the CEO).

Her?










Also itís Mae.

Was there supposed to be a photo there?   

Yeah, it is Mae. I was testing you.   :)

No photo. It was an Arrested Development joke.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on April 02, 2021, 09:47:57 AM
She looks really good in that show, I'll give you that.  I also have a weird thing for Meg Whitman (the actress, not the CEO).

Her?










Also itís Mae.

Was there supposed to be a photo there?   

Yeah, it is Mae. I was testing you.   :)

No photo. It was an Arrested Development joke.

Which I should have gotten!   Dammit!  (Ann Veal).

I have that on DVD; I should go back and watch it again.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Dream Team on April 02, 2021, 12:45:03 PM
Sounds like a few people havenít seen ScarJo at her best. Like in Don Jon.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on April 03, 2021, 10:14:00 AM
New Black Widow trailer.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp9pNPdNwjI

Hot damn this looks good.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on April 03, 2021, 11:16:03 AM
New Black Widow trailer.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp9pNPdNwjI

Hot damn this looks good.

Seems they're going to give some flesh to the whole 'got a lot of red on my ledger' aspect of her character, which is the one thing I really wanted from this movie. Her main character arc is that sense of redemption, and I'd love an idea of what she's trying to redeem herself from. Also, ScarJo  :heart

I already made a self promise that this would be my first in theater movie, a flick like this can only be seen in IMAX on opening night.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on April 03, 2021, 04:57:09 PM
Okay, so:

- That looks REALLY good;
- I'm a sucker for that bank shot with the arrow (off the road); I love that shit;

And third, and this isn't good:  I just googled the other girl, and it's Florence Pugh.   And... she looks like my kid.  No, seriously, with her blond hair, she looks like my daughter.

 :tdwn

Well that just sucked all the fun out of it!  :)
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on April 04, 2021, 12:06:02 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: axeman90210 on April 05, 2021, 10:21:53 AM
Just saw the new trailer for Loki, looks excellent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW948Va-l10
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on April 05, 2021, 12:26:12 PM
I am way more jacked for this than I am with anything else from Disney+ at the moment.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on April 05, 2021, 01:36:44 PM
That looks so incredibly dope.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: kingshmegland on April 05, 2021, 01:42:30 PM
That looks so incredibly dope.

my 8 year old nephew was teaching my Fortnite Slang. So now it's "That's cracked!"
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Orbert on April 05, 2021, 02:00:23 PM
Owen Wilson?

Ha ha, come on.  Seriously... Owen Wilson?

Other than that, it's looks pretty cool.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Zook on April 05, 2021, 07:09:31 PM
That looks so incredibly dope.

my 8 year old nephew was teaching my Fortnite Slang. So now it's "That's cracked!"

I really hope that doesn't catch on.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: kingshmegland on April 05, 2021, 07:21:36 PM
That looks so incredibly dope.

my 8 year old nephew was teaching my Fortnite Slang. So now it's "That's cracked!"

I really hope that doesn't catch on.

Only around him. The joy in his eyes made me look up that stuff.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on April 06, 2021, 07:58:04 AM
As you might tell in the "Irritated" thread, I'm not a big fan of the slang, for the most part.  BUT, King is sort of right; when my step son - who is now 13 - would try out some new phrase or buzz word, he sometimes gets this look in his eye, a sort of anticipation of "is this going to land?  Are they going to think it's funny and/or clever?"    And as much as I hate the slang, I don't have it in me to crush this kid's spirit.   :) :)
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 06, 2021, 08:28:10 AM
Back in my day, I never used any "slang".
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on April 06, 2021, 08:42:40 AM
Kat, maybe.  I'm a fan of red lipstick, up until it looks like spackle and exceeds the lip boundaries*.  :)  It doesn't help that I don't like her wise-ass snark all that much.

Yeah, I found myself undecided about whether I liked her or was too annoyed and found her offputting.  But in the first two Thor films, I think that is exactly what they were going for with her character.  But for what it's worth, she shows up later in another Marvel property you haven't seen yet, and comes across a lot more likeable.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on April 19, 2021, 08:30:22 AM
Shang-Chi trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giWIr7U1deA

Looks promising.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 19, 2021, 11:02:46 AM
Shang-Chi trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giWIr7U1deA

Looks promising.
Indeed.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: DoctorAction on April 20, 2021, 12:07:59 AM
I'll definitely be watching but I didn't get much in the way of MCU DNA in there. Looked like a martial arts movie, which is fine, but that's all.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on April 20, 2021, 12:20:19 AM
I'll definitely be watching but I didn't get much in the way of MCU DNA in there. Looked like a martial arts movie, which is fine, but that's all.

Other than the fact that we will finally see the *real* Mandarin, leader of the Ten Rings, which have been present in the MCU since Iron Man 1 (and have appeared in IM2, IM3, and Ant-Man, and I think maybe Agents Of SHIELD too).

I've seen the trailer at least half a dozen times now, and I'm probably more hyped for this than BW or The Eternals this year. Just four and a half months to go!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: DoctorAction on April 20, 2021, 12:57:34 AM
Ah, ok. I didn't catch that in the trailer. I only remember him as Ben Kingsley from IM3.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jammindude on April 20, 2021, 05:56:14 AM
Ah, ok. I didn't catch that in the trailer. I only remember him as Ben Kingsley from IM3.

And thereís a Marvel One Shot where Slattery (Ben Kingsleyís character) is assassinated by a henchman for the real Mandarin for using the name.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: DoctorAction on April 20, 2021, 08:48:03 AM
Yeah, some googling unearthed that for me. I've not seen that. I need to check D+ tonight.  :tup
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on April 20, 2021, 09:13:24 AM
Ah, ok. I didn't catch that in the trailer. I only remember him as Ben Kingsley from IM3.

And thereís a Marvel One Shot where Slattery (Ben Kingsleyís character) is assassinated by a henchman for the real Mandarin for using the name.

Not assassinated, but broken out of jail by an undercover Ten Rings operative, taking him out to see "the real Mandarin" because he wants to speak to Trevor. If he isn't mentioned in Shang-Chi, I'll be a bit bummed, but I would understand if he isn't. The Marel One-Shots are all Canon, though, and I believe "All Hail The King" was the last one (sadly), and also featured Justin Hammer, who I hope returns in the Armor Wars series!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 20, 2021, 09:37:06 AM
I read yesterday that Olivia Colman is in talks to be involved in the Secret Invasion show.  Holy cow, that's another acting heavyweight for the MCU.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jammindude on April 20, 2021, 12:15:40 PM
Ah, ok. I didn't catch that in the trailer. I only remember him as Ben Kingsley from IM3.

And thereís a Marvel One Shot where Slattery (Ben Kingsleyís character) is assassinated by a henchman for the real Mandarin for using the name.

Not assassinated, but broken out of jail by an undercover Ten Rings operative, taking him out to see "the real Mandarin" because he wants to speak to Trevor. If he isn't mentioned in Shang-Chi, I'll be a bit bummed, but I would understand if he isn't. The Marel One-Shots are all Canon, though, and I believe "All Hail The King" was the last one (sadly), and also featured Justin Hammer, who I hope returns in the Armor Wars series!

-Marc.

Are you sure? Thought I remember that there was a moment when he was going to take his picture but there was a gun in the camera? Now I have to go back and look at it again
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jammindude on April 20, 2021, 12:21:00 PM
I stand corrected. He is alive.

Hope he makes a cameo.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on April 20, 2021, 12:24:38 PM
I stand corrected. He is alive.

Hope he makes a cameo.

It would be fantastic just to see him for like 2 minutes just to have the Mandarin use his rings/bracelets of power to death-punch Trevor to make him pay for soiling his name.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: DoctorAction on April 20, 2021, 03:48:31 PM
Yeah, some googling unearthed that for me. I've not seen that. I need to check D+ tonight.  :tup

That one shot is not on D+. Harrumph.  :tdwn
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Orbert on April 20, 2021, 07:54:56 PM
Bummer.  I was going to check for it, but I guess you've saved me the trouble, so thanks.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jammindude on April 20, 2021, 08:05:29 PM
I love owning the DVDs  ;D :angel:
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: faizoff on April 20, 2021, 08:37:56 PM
And me with the blu-rays  ;D
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Fiery Winds on April 20, 2021, 09:03:22 PM
And me with the 4k UHDs  ;D

I've somehow been completely unaware of these canonical Marvel One Shots, I'll have to check those out.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: faizoff on April 20, 2021, 09:17:56 PM
lol touche, I have just begun my 4k collection and haven't felt like double dipping on 4k upgrades of all the blurays just yet.

I like all the one shot films, shame they stopped doing them.

Here's the list
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_One-Shots#Films
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jammindude on April 20, 2021, 09:30:43 PM
Actually, I had a senior moment where I was just thinking of all discs as DVDs and now I feel like an idiot. :loser: :facepalm:

But all mine are actually Blu-Ray and 6 of them are 4K. GOTG2, Homecoming, CM, IW, Endgame, and FFH.

AOU, Ant Man, and Civil War I have in 3D! (And yes, I have all the equipment to play it, but havenít used it in forever)
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on April 20, 2021, 11:44:11 PM
My phase 1 films are DVD, with the exception of Avengers (BR). 
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on April 21, 2021, 12:00:03 AM
Even though I owned most of Phase 3 as stand-alone BDs (mostly the Target Exclusive sets with bonus books), I also completed the four Marvel Studios Cinematic Universe box sets recently, and for the average price of about $50 per set, they're a steal.

(https://uc695e8f45989d4e1994f29e9734.previews.dropboxusercontent.com/p/thumb/ABL42NXcP2qWID-Ztlml3Vxoln4Ej6PWd9t9toTSKa7FXX3nYHGc_Frmkv0TdDmZ83dI24wmSUk5USaQyF-awwQOoI2JHzZJJr67RWGwBOqK0NmAsUqSYhASwDVmMhdGMQS_k8oRZGSHY2YMFk4IpSEiH2BT9_QBUmFHbrV_mkaAUvurgYp32fIwmO_GddBadZaFX-T6lQMtjKEK-ije3Mbez599rak1JVugyAKe4dfZTOs-goyORPVFylfE21Fkaq8lngyOYi_8iAG2elDY2SOCFYVQUQJtfnQxN1b6IlKGz-BgySzwZtIKaRl8C3T-bpvgK42SE1Ip9RQgZzZH-H0eMdHEKGYGiPlKNxykTwyyL5U1SXXIF3L-sR-mBHlnGGurheYT8Jc4zNVAQt5ZS9xf/p.jpeg?fv_content=true&size_mode=5)

Each set also comes with mini-posters for each film, and special art cards with art by Matt Ferguson.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on April 21, 2021, 06:51:07 AM
I got D+ so I wouldn't have to own the DVDs
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on April 21, 2021, 07:32:54 AM
I got D+ so I wouldn't have to own the DVDs

Rite?  Surprised those one-shots aren't on D+.  There's some uploads on Dailymotion if anyone wants to find 'em.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 21, 2021, 07:52:37 AM
I read yesterday that Olivia Colman is in talks to be involved in the Secret Invasion show.  Holy cow, that's another acting heavyweight for the MCU.
And now, apparently Emilia Clarke has signed on to this project as well.  The Mother of Dragons comes to Marvel!
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: DoctorAction on April 21, 2021, 03:48:05 PM
I got D+ so I wouldn't have to own the DVDs

Rite?  Surprised those one-shots aren't on D+.  There's some uploads on Dailymotion if anyone wants to find 'em.

Ta. Will check that out
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Fiery Winds on April 22, 2021, 09:03:34 PM
Rewatching the MCU starting with Iron Man. At 23:37 the group holding Tony Stark is called "the Ten Rings". I forget if that thread was ever picked up again (hence the rewatch), but I'm curious if Shang-Chi will have a callback here.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on April 22, 2021, 09:05:18 PM
Rewatching the MCU starting with Iron Man. At 23:37 the group holding Tony Stark is called "the Ten Rings". I forget if that thread was ever picked up again (hence the rewatch), but I'm curious if Shang-Chi will have a callback here.

Yea. Iíd say itís all connected. I dunno if Shang Chi will directly call back anything from Iron Man but itís the same group.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on April 22, 2021, 09:20:20 PM
Yup.  And obviously referred to in IM3 (they used the Ten Rings logo for Trevor's "Mandarin" TV appearances).  And one of the potential buyers in Ant Man had a Ten Rings neck tat.  There may have been other subtle references as well.  The thread has definitely been there. 
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Fiery Winds on April 22, 2021, 09:31:38 PM
Thanks for those references, I suppose I'm speculating more on the specific connection between the Ten Rings in Shang-Chi and the group that kidnapped Tony Stark.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on April 22, 2021, 11:33:56 PM
I don't think they knew where they were going with it back then, but I am sure they will make it connect.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on April 25, 2021, 07:13:34 PM
Director for the upcoming Eternals movie just won the best director Oscar. Iíd say that bodes well.


Has Marvel ever had a best director Oscar winner on their movie before?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: kingshmegland on April 25, 2021, 07:41:47 PM
Kenneth Branagh was nominated.   Didn't win.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on April 25, 2021, 07:58:09 PM
Kenneth Branagh was nominated.   Didn't win.

Yea, Ryan Coogler got nominated too. But I do think this is a first winner. I hope she brought some of that talent to The Eternals.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: kingshmegland on April 25, 2021, 08:21:29 PM
I love the anticipation. I have to wait a month plus for Loki?

DAMMIT!!
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: faizoff on April 25, 2021, 08:30:36 PM
Oh dang I was under the impression that it was starting within a week or two. Loki's set to premier June 11th.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on April 26, 2021, 12:34:29 AM
Sadly, with Black Widow being pushed back from May to July, we are left a whole month with no new MCU content to talk about. I'm sure BW would've helped fill that gap between TFATWS and Loki, but now we have to wait. I think we got spoiled having TFATWS coming just 2 weeks after WandaVision.

Still no release dates for What If...?, Hawkeye (which just finished filming last week), and Ms. Marvel, the latter two of which I suspect will air between October and December. Other than those 3 series, we have 4 films this year for MCU content on the back half of 2021. Delays made everything become so stacked for the July 2021-July 2022 year, with 7 films releasing in 12 months' time, and probably 4 Disney+ series (as She-Hulk and Armor Wars are filming or will film soon, so I suspect those will release in the first half of 2022).

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on May 03, 2021, 07:50:16 AM
Looks like we got a few updated titles.

Black Panther 2 will be Wakanda Forever. And Captain Marvel 2 will be called ďThe MarvelsĒ.

Exciting stuff!
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on May 03, 2021, 09:13:45 AM
I gather you captured that from this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpxoFcdORI

2:57... color me intrigued.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on May 03, 2021, 12:09:45 PM
I'm not gonna lie, that's...a pretty solid hype piece.  Color me sufficiently hyped. 
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 03, 2021, 02:54:46 PM
I'm not gonna lie, that's...a pretty solid hype piece.  Color me sufficiently hyped.
Yep.  Not gonna lie, I had to wipe a tear from my eye.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on May 03, 2021, 05:47:31 PM
Marvel just does everything a bazillion times better than everyone else. I still watch audience reaction vids of the 'On Your Left' scene just to relive the energy of that opening night, and it still gives me fucking chills every goddamn time.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Zook on May 03, 2021, 06:00:06 PM
They used bootleg audience reaction footage... Is Marvel going to copyright strike themselves?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on May 03, 2021, 06:51:29 PM
They used bootleg audience reaction footage... Is Marvel going to copyright strike themselves?

Apparently it was filmed by the Russos when they went to see it.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Zook on May 03, 2021, 06:53:37 PM
They used bootleg audience reaction footage... Is Marvel going to copyright strike themselves?

Apparently it was filmed by the Russos when they went to see it.

Still a crime. Disney is gonna blacklist The Russo's for sure.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on May 03, 2021, 08:28:44 PM
They used bootleg audience reaction footage... Is Marvel going to copyright strike themselves?

Apparently it was filmed by the Russos when they went to see it.

Still a crime. Disney is gonna blacklist The Russo's for sure.

Just like how they fired James Gunn...oh wait.

Also, the Russos are responsible for two of the five highest grossing films of all time. If they want to come back for another Captain America or Avengers film, and Feige thinks they'll be good for it, I doubt Disney would deny them the chance.

As for today's teaser, the new footage of The Eternals has me extremely hyped, and I hope it does as well as GOTG Vol. 1 did in terms of creating a likeable ensemble cast out of mostly unknown comic book characters. Then again, before the MCU, unless you read comics, no one really knew who Iron Man or Thor were.

It still blows my mind that we're getting SEVEN MCU films between this July and July 2022, with Wakanda Forever capping that run, which sounds like it'll pay tribute to Chadwick in a beautiful way with his rallying cry from Infinity War so aptly spliced into the montage.

The Marvels has a fun title card with further confirmation of Photon's and Ms. Marvel's involvement.

I'm wondering if Disney/Marvel still have the supposed October 2022 release date earmarked for another MCU film, which was announced last year, but they glossed right over it in the video. I was certain it would be Ant-Man 3 since Michael Douglas previously said it would come out in 2022, but I guess it got bumped back to 2023.

Maybe they decided to lay off on October 2022, or perhaps it'll be a surprise film, like Captain America 4 or Deadpool 3? Still no sign of Blade or a Mutant-centric film. Either way, with ten films in the next two years, and at least 10 more Disney+ shows in the pipeline, it's a damn good time to be a Marvel/MCU fan!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: ariich on May 03, 2021, 11:53:32 PM
They used bootleg audience reaction footage... Is Marvel going to copyright strike themselves?

Apparently it was filmed by the Russos when they went to see it.

Still a crime.
Not if it's for your own personal use, it isn't (or in this case, Disney's own use).
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Zook on May 04, 2021, 03:21:35 AM
I wasn't being serious.

Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: ariich on May 04, 2021, 04:05:31 AM
I wasn't being serious.
I know, I was just being informative for the benefit of others. :P
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Vmadera00 on May 04, 2021, 07:23:54 AM
Marvel just does everything a bazillion times better than everyone else. I still watch audience reaction vids of the 'On Your Left' scene just to relive the energy of that opening night, and it still gives me fucking chills every goddamn time.

That's me with Thor's arrival to Wakanda from IW. Opening night for IW was intense!
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on May 04, 2021, 09:24:54 AM
Marvel just does everything a bazillion times better than everyone else. I still watch audience reaction vids of the 'On Your Left' scene just to relive the energy of that opening night, and it still gives me fucking chills every goddamn time.

That's me with Thor's arrival to Wakanda from IW. Opening night for IW was intense!

Totally agree. Can't wait to relive it again, I've already committed to myself to be there opening night IMAX for black widow.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 05, 2021, 08:50:00 AM
Still no sign of Blade or a Mutant-centric film.
That's fine.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on May 05, 2021, 10:31:41 AM
https://youtu.be/mNyLzc3MU_E

Tom Hiddleston has announced that Loki will now premier on June 9th (6/9...nice).

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on May 05, 2021, 10:51:59 AM
https://youtu.be/mNyLzc3MU_E

Tom Hiddleston has announced that Loki will now premier on June 9th (6/9...nice).

-Marc.

Invariably to not conflict/compete with the releases of The Bad Batch.  Good move, to spread them out.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jammindude on May 05, 2021, 07:00:40 PM
And also so episode 5 wonít come out the same day Black Widow does.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on May 07, 2021, 10:23:35 PM
Iron Man 2 turned 11 today (May 7th), and had Black Widow not been delayed again, it would've come out 11 years after ScarJo debuted as Natasha Romanoff.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on May 18, 2021, 12:52:20 PM
So....

Daughter home from school and so we watched Black Panther and Thor: Ragnarok.   

Indifferent on Black Panther; it was good not great.  I liked Chadwick Bozeman, and it was great to see Sterling K. Brown and Angela Bassett.   Michael B. Jordan was annoying AF.   I liked the battle around the train, but some of the fight scenes looked fake to me.

Thor: Ragnarok was a-MAZing, one of the best of the group so far.   I generally HATE humor in these types of movies, because it usually takes the form of those stupid "Hasta la vista, babay!" quips that I can't stand, but that was legit one of the funniest movies I've seen in a long time, and yet it never once ever took anything away from the battles themselves.   Getting not one but TWO fight scenes set to Led Zeppelin's "The Immigrant Song" was like a special little birthday present at the mid-year point. Idris Elba, under-used, but still excellent; Tessa Thompson, excellent (need to see more of her, and maybe kick Natalie Portman to the curb!) and they even made Cate Blanchett, dare I say, HOT (at least when her hair was down; she looked ridiculous in the antler set). 

Nice touch with the Matt Damon, Luke Hemsworth and Sam Neill cameos.

Infinity War up next!!!
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 18, 2021, 01:13:23 PM
Man, are you in for a treat or the next 5 hours of viewing.  I re-watched both IW and Endgame a few weeks back.  Damn good stuff.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on May 18, 2021, 01:20:21 PM
Indifferent on Black Panther; it was good not great.  I liked Chadwick Bozeman, and it was great to see Sterling K. Brown and Angela Bassett.   Michael B. Jordan was annoying AF.   I liked the battle around the train, but some of the fight scenes looked fake to me.

Agreed that it was "good not great."  But there were lots of individual things that were great to me.  I like Chadwick Bozeman, but his accent has never sounded genuine to me, which makes an otherwise pretty good performance by him seem a bit stilted.  Mbaku as a character was a bit problematic for me.  I like the character and like what they did with him overall.  But the fact that he was ready to kill T'Challa during the initial fight for the throne didn't feel consistent with how his motivations and character were fleshed out later on.  And I liked how they played Michael B. Jordan's character, but I do not think that he was one of the best Marvel villains, as some have said.  As a villain, I thought he was "good not great."  And I totally agree with the train fight scene.  Good battle.  But at times, it looked so fake CGI that it took me out of the moment.  But overall, good movie with some good messaging.

Hopefully, you watched the the mid-credit and post-credit scenes.  I forget which is which now, but one is pretty important.  (and the other is just cool, even though it may not have much direct bearing on the MCU)

Thor: Ragnarok was a-MAZing, one of the best of the group so far.   I generally HATE humor in these types of movies, because it usually takes the form of those stupid "Hasta la vista, babay!" quips that I can't stand, but that was legit one of the funniest movies I've seen in a long time, and yet it never once ever took anything away from the battles themselves.   Getting not one but TWO fight scenes set to Led Zeppelin's "The Immigrant Song" was like a special little birthday present at the mid-year point. Idris Elba, under-used, but still excellent; Tessa Thompson, excellent (need to see more of her, and maybe kick Natalie Portman to the curb!) and they even made Cate Blanchett, dare I say, HOT (at least when her hair was down; she looked ridiculous in the antler set).

Yeah, agreed on most of that.  The issues I had with this one typically get overlooked by most, so must just be me.  :dunno:  But still excellent movie overall.  Hopefully, you watched the mid-credits and post-credit scenes on this one as well.  If you haven't, go back and do so before going any farther.  Please.

And I totally agree with you on the humor aspect.  Pretty much all of it really hit home for me.

I just did a sequential watch of Ragnarok, Infinity War, and Endgame recently.  And this isn't really a spoiler (well, I guess it technically is, but is VERY minor).  But given what Strange says in Ragnarok about actively monitoring beings that are a threat to earth, I am kinda surprised that he apparently doesn't know who Thanos is.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Cool Chris on May 18, 2021, 02:02:41 PM
There are mid-credit scenes now?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on May 18, 2021, 02:06:18 PM
???  There have been for quite some time now.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Cool Chris on May 18, 2021, 02:12:21 PM
I watch maybe a couple new films a year (not counting the ones I sleep through with my kids during family movie night).  And I haven't sat through the entire credits ever.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: faizoff on May 18, 2021, 02:48:35 PM
After the movie ends and the special credits sequence starts Marvel movies typically have a scene right after that ends often referred to as the mid-credit scene. Then they almost always have a scene right after all the credits roll a good 10 mins or so after.

If you attend the movies with the full-on Marvel crowd on opening night or weekend, almost no one will get up from their seats until the very end.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on May 18, 2021, 02:56:57 PM
Yeah; both BP and T:R had a stylized credits - artwork, fancy type - then a cut scene, then more standard credits - white letters on a black backdrop - and then a final cut scene.

And yes I watched both for both films.

I'm surprised someone called Michael B. Jordan one of the "best Marvel villains".   I don't have a list, but if I did, he's not even in the top ten.  Maybe not top 15. 
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on May 18, 2021, 03:11:24 PM
I couldn't possibly do a ranking, but he subjectively feels like he would fall around bottom end of my top 10 or so. 

Hela is a hard one to place for me.  I mostly want to place her pretty high up.  But it viscerally bothers me that they way overpowered her/underpowered the "normal" Asgardians.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: ZirconBlue on May 18, 2021, 07:57:53 PM


I'm surprised someone called Michael B. Jordan one of the "best Marvel villains".



Unlike most villains he actually has legitimate grievances with how Wakanda has operated, and has noble goals, if not methods.  In the end, T'Challa actually accepts that Killmonger was right that Wakanda needed to no longer remain isolationist, instead using their resources to help others.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on May 19, 2021, 07:16:02 AM


I'm surprised someone called Michael B. Jordan one of the "best Marvel villains".



Unlike most villains he actually has legitimate grievances with how Wakanda has operated, and has noble goals, if not methods.  In the end, T'Challa actually accepts that Killmonger was right that Wakanda needed to no longer remain isolationist, instead using their resources to help others.

Okay, I guess, but I'm not exactly swimming in feelings of "nobility" when a guy has so many kills his torso looks like an alligator skin wallet.   Treading on thin P/R ice here, I guess, but just "wanting to help others who are like him" isn't the silver bullet that I think it is to some others. For me, that doesn't excuse everything else.  To me, he was, like most villains, just someone who wanted things to be HIS way and wasn't interested in playing nice with others.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on May 19, 2021, 08:39:16 AM
To me, he was, like most villains, just someone who wanted things to be HIS way and wasn't interested in playing nice with others.

Exactly.  His purpose being "understandable" doesn't make it "noble." 
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on May 19, 2021, 01:29:25 PM
Stadler, hurry up and watch Infinity War!

Note:  Chronologically, it picks up literally a few minutes after the end credits scene from Ragnarok.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: DoctorAction on May 19, 2021, 04:09:34 PM
... even made Cate Blanchett, dare I say, HOT

"Even" made her hot?

(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6d900991522d3a593634abf1e976d946)
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Orbert on May 19, 2021, 04:56:10 PM
Cate is a strange case.  She has nice features, and sometimes looks absolutely lovely (such as in the above picture), but most of the time she looks to me like a wet rag.  Something is just off, way off, and I've never really figured out what it is.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jammindude on May 19, 2021, 07:05:15 PM
Iíve never been a fan of that slim, elegant, regal look. Just does nothing for me at all.

I like em short and thick.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Vmadera00 on May 19, 2021, 07:12:47 PM
I like em short and thick.

(https://i.imgflip.com/1wuoi7.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jammindude on May 19, 2021, 10:46:04 PM
 :rollin
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Post by: DoctorAction on May 20, 2021, 12:04:38 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: soupytwist on May 20, 2021, 02:28:48 AM
Going to be a fun 19 Marvel months - 8 movies and 6 or 7 shows all coming before 2023.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on May 20, 2021, 07:41:54 AM
... even made Cate Blanchett, dare I say, HOT

"Even" made her hot?

(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6d900991522d3a593634abf1e976d946)

She looks great there, no doubt.  I can't say I feel that way all the time.  I'm more of a classic beauty guy, and while not quite to Jammin's standards, I'm not a fan of the waif look.    Margot Robbie, Kate Winslet...
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: ZirconBlue on May 20, 2021, 11:43:24 AM




I'm surprised someone called Michael B. Jordan one of the "best Marvel villains".



Unlike most villains he actually has legitimate grievances with how Wakanda has operated, and has noble goals, if not methods.  In the end, T'Challa actually accepts that Killmonger was right that Wakanda needed to no longer remain isolationist, instead using their resources to help others.

Okay, I guess, but I'm not exactly swimming in feelings of "nobility" when a guy has so many kills his torso looks like an alligator skin wallet.   Treading on thin P/R ice here, I guess, but just "wanting to help others who are like him" isn't the silver bullet that I think it is to some others. For me, that doesn't excuse everything else.  To me, he was, like most villains, just someone who wanted things to be HIS way and wasn't interested in playing nice with others.



Sharing Wakanda's resources to help the downtrodden is a noble goal, but, yeah, he IS a villain.  So, how he wants to go about that isn't good.  But it's much more nuanced than "conquer earth", or many of the other Marvel villain motivations thus far.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: DoctorAction on May 20, 2021, 11:43:43 AM
Build aside, I wasn't really aware of her beauty until I saw her on a chat show here in the UK about a decade back and I was just like  :o
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on May 24, 2021, 08:17:09 AM
New Eternals trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WVDKZJkGlY

My excitement for this is ramping up a little.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Vmadera00 on May 24, 2021, 08:49:21 AM
Same here,

I am very curious as to why they did not interfered with any of the previous events. I feel this movie will set up Marvel for the next couple of years in terms of plot :corn
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: DoctorAction on May 24, 2021, 02:01:20 PM
Got me looking forward!
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lordxizor on May 24, 2021, 03:06:18 PM
I am very curious as to why they did not interfered with any of the previous events.
I think this is always going to be a big question with new characters like this. Curious if they'll address it or just ignore it.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on May 24, 2021, 04:25:32 PM
I am very curious as to why they did not interfered with any of the previous events.
I think this is always going to be a big question with new characters like this. Curious if they'll address it or just ignore it.

Maybe they did interfere in one of the 14M other timelines Strange saw, but none of those were winners.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on May 24, 2021, 04:33:41 PM
Same here,

I am very curious as to why they did not interfered with any of the previous events. I feel this movie will set up Marvel for the next couple of years in terms of plot :corn

From what Iíve read in the comics they have a very specific mission in mind. They defend the earth, not necessarily specific people on it. I doubt they cared a ton about thanos doing his thing or Loki or ultras taking over since the earth wouldíve been fine. Iím guessing theyíre choosing to interfere now because the Celestials are coming back. Then again, I dunno if theyíve changed much from the comics.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on May 25, 2021, 06:02:07 AM
I watched The Avengers: Infinity War and...   it was a lot.   My daughter said I was going to "poop" when I saw it, and she was crying like a baby at the end (Groot, Spider-Man).  I didn't, but I've been thinking about it most of last night and this morning (which sucks, because I have a presentation to do later this morning). 

It was a lot.  I know too much, in a sense, so I know some things have to change, but for the life of me I have no idea how they're going to get there. 

I will say, Thanos is a better character than I thought he was going to be.  I don't know if it's just because I'm surprised at how good the effects were, or the degree to which they developed his motivations (compared to his previous appearances) but it was solid.   I haven't watched any of the movies a second time yet (except for the first two, just because I watched them so long ago) but this may be the first.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on May 25, 2021, 06:12:10 AM
I saw IW four times in the theater, and have probably re-watched it just as many at home.  Endgame I saw twice in theater, and re-watched 3 or 4 times.  I think overall, IW is the better movie, the the climax of Endgame is beyond god-tier.  As incredible the Wakanda/Titan sequences were... Endgame says, "Hold My Beer" - but in a good way.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on May 25, 2021, 06:59:34 AM
I saw IW four times in the theater, and have probably re-watched it just as many at home.  Endgame I saw twice in theater, and re-watched 3 or 4 times.  I think overall, IW is the better movie, the the climax of Endgame is beyond god-tier.  As incredible the Wakanda/Titan sequences were... Endgame says, "Hold My Beer" - but in a good way.

On your left....
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Vmadera00 on May 25, 2021, 07:57:46 AM
I watched The Avengers: Infinity War and...   it was a lot.   My daughter said I was going to "poop" when I saw it, and she was crying like a baby at the end (Groot, Spider-Man).  I didn't, but I've been thinking about it most of last night and this morning (which sucks, because I have a presentation to do later this morning). 

It was a lot.  I know too much, in a sense, so I know some things have to change, but for the life of me I have no idea how they're going to get there. 

I will say, Thanos is a better character than I thought he was going to be.  I don't know if it's just because I'm surprised at how good the effects were, or the degree to which they developed his motivations (compared to his previous appearances) but it was solid.   I haven't watched any of the movies a second time yet (except for the first two, just because I watched them so long ago) but this may be the first.

"It was a lot" sounds about right. I remember leaving the theater with a "WTF just happened" reaction, and not even knowing what to say.

Be happy you don't need to wait a year to watch Endgame, with a different theory about the movie on every website you visited (Though some of them were funny).
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on May 25, 2021, 09:12:32 AM
Like the antman up Thanos' ass one?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on May 25, 2021, 09:17:50 AM
Like the antman up Thanos' ass one?

Talk about a missed opportunity.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on May 25, 2021, 09:21:12 AM
I watched The Avengers: Infinity War and...   it was a lot.   My daughter said I was going to "poop" when I saw it, and she was crying like a baby at the end (Groot, Spider-Man).  I didn't, but I've been thinking about it most of last night and this morning (which sucks, because I have a presentation to do later this morning). 

It was a lot.  I know too much, in a sense, so I know some things have to change, but for the life of me I have no idea how they're going to get there. 

I will say, Thanos is a better character than I thought he was going to be.  I don't know if it's just because I'm surprised at how good the effects were, or the degree to which they developed his motivations (compared to his previous appearances) but it was solid.   I haven't watched any of the movies a second time yet (except for the first two, just because I watched them so long ago) but this may be the first.

Infinity War is my favorite MCU film.  Endgame is close.  But Infinity War is SO good on so many levels.  Endgame does quite a few things arguably even better, including huge emotional impact.  The only small issue I have (no spoilers--don't worry), which others will likely agree with, is that it...let's just say it pushes the envelope a bit farther in terms of having to suspend belief.  Not a huge issue.  But it goes just far enough that it gets the #2 spot rather than the #1 (and Spiderman: Homecoming is my #3). 

Yeah, it is "a lot."  In many ways.  In terms of plot alone, it does SO MUCH, and has so many characters and so many settings.  And yet, it doesn't really feel rushed or feel like they shortchanged any of the storylines.  Yes, it moves at a breakneck pace.  But that pace serves the story rather than detracting from it.  It feels like it needs to move at a breakneck pace because that is what Thanos would be doing under the circumstances. 

And yeah, Thanos is a great character.  Infinity War really is his movie.  The only character that comes close in terms of character arc in this film alone is Thor.  But everything centers on Thanos.  And to me, it is fascinating that probably the best and most significant feeling relationships in this movie all seem to revolve around Thanos.  The two biggest and perhaps most obvious are Thor's relationship with Thanos and Tony's relationship with Thanos.  Both Thor and Tony are driven because of what Thanos has done and is doing.  But to a lesser extent, that is true of a lot of other characters as well, even those who maybe didn't really even know about Thanos before the events of this film.  Gamorrah, Starlord, Nebula, Drax, Vision, Wanda...  All were driven, to a great extent, either by a direct past relationship with Thanos or by things he did in the past that they discovered him to be behind in this film.  It was really done quite brilliantly.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Vmadera00 on May 25, 2021, 09:39:27 AM
Like the antman up Thanos' ass one?

Talk about a missed opportunity.

 :lol Yup, that was one of them. Maybe we will see it in the "What If...?" series.

I agree with Bosk that this was Thanos movie, he was the protagonist, not the avengers.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on May 25, 2021, 11:19:27 AM
I watched The Avengers: Infinity War and...   it was a lot.   My daughter said I was going to "poop" when I saw it, and she was crying like a baby at the end (Groot, Spider-Man).  I didn't, but I've been thinking about it most of last night and this morning (which sucks, because I have a presentation to do later this morning). 

It was a lot.  I know too much, in a sense, so I know some things have to change, but for the life of me I have no idea how they're going to get there. 

I will say, Thanos is a better character than I thought he was going to be.  I don't know if it's just because I'm surprised at how good the effects were, or the degree to which they developed his motivations (compared to his previous appearances) but it was solid.   I haven't watched any of the movies a second time yet (except for the first two, just because I watched them so long ago) but this may be the first.

Infinity War is my favorite MCU film.  Endgame is close.  But Infinity War is SO good on so many levels.  Endgame does quite a few things arguably even better, including huge emotional impact.  The only small issue I have (no spoilers--don't worry), which others will likely agree with, is that it...let's just say it pushes the envelope a bit farther in terms of having to suspend belief.  Not a huge issue.  But it goes just far enough that it gets the #2 spot rather than the #1 (and Spiderman: Homecoming is my #3). 

Yeah, it is "a lot."  In many ways.  In terms of plot alone, it does SO MUCH, and has so many characters and so many settings.  And yet, it doesn't really feel rushed or feel like they shortchanged any of the storylines.  Yes, it moves at a breakneck pace.  But that pace serves the story rather than detracting from it.  It feels like it needs to move at a breakneck pace because that is what Thanos would be doing under the circumstances. 

And yeah, Thanos is a great character.  Infinity War really is his movie.  The only character that comes close in terms of character arc in this film alone is Thor.  But everything centers on Thanos.  And to me, it is fascinating that probably the best and most significant feeling relationships in this movie all seem to revolve around Thanos.  The two biggest and perhaps most obvious are Thor's relationship with Thanos and Tony's relationship with Thanos.  Both Thor and Tony are driven because of what Thanos has done and is doing.  But to a lesser extent, that is true of a lot of other characters as well, even those who maybe didn't really even know about Thanos before the events of this film.  Gamorrah, Starlord, Nebula, Drax, Vision, Wanda...  All were driven, to a great extent, either by a direct past relationship with Thanos or by things he did in the past that they discovered him to be behind in this film.  It was really done quite brilliantly.

I was most moved by the Thanos/Gamorrah scene.  And while I didn't cry, it seemed the most...  real.   I have no real belief that Dr. Strange's (my favorite MCU character) fate is final, but maybe Gamorrah's is, so it felt more emotional.  Don't tell me, but I'm still struggling with her asking Quill for a "favor", based on something SHE knew and Thanos didn't.  I'm not sure I've sussed all that out yet.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on May 25, 2021, 04:48:01 PM
I watched The Avengers: Infinity War and...   it was a lot.   My daughter said I was going to "poop" when I saw it, and she was crying like a baby at the end (Groot, Spider-Man).  I didn't, but I've been thinking about it most of last night and this morning (which sucks, because I have a presentation to do later this morning). 

It was a lot.  I know too much, in a sense, so I know some things have to change, but for the life of me I have no idea how they're going to get there. 

I will say, Thanos is a better character than I thought he was going to be.  I don't know if it's just because I'm surprised at how good the effects were, or the degree to which they developed his motivations (compared to his previous appearances) but it was solid.   I haven't watched any of the movies a second time yet (except for the first two, just because I watched them so long ago) but this may be the first.

Infinity War is my favorite MCU film.  Endgame is close.  But Infinity War is SO good on so many levels.  Endgame does quite a few things arguably even better, including huge emotional impact.  The only small issue I have (no spoilers--don't worry), which others will likely agree with, is that it...let's just say it pushes the envelope a bit farther in terms of having to suspend belief.  Not a huge issue.  But it goes just far enough that it gets the #2 spot rather than the #1 (and Spiderman: Homecoming is my #3). 

Yeah, it is "a lot."  In many ways.  In terms of plot alone, it does SO MUCH, and has so many characters and so many settings.  And yet, it doesn't really feel rushed or feel like they shortchanged any of the storylines.  Yes, it moves at a breakneck pace.  But that pace serves the story rather than detracting from it.  It feels like it needs to move at a breakneck pace because that is what Thanos would be doing under the circumstances. 

And yeah, Thanos is a great character.  Infinity War really is his movie.  The only character that comes close in terms of character arc in this film alone is Thor.  But everything centers on Thanos.  And to me, it is fascinating that probably the best and most significant feeling relationships in this movie all seem to revolve around Thanos.  The two biggest and perhaps most obvious are Thor's relationship with Thanos and Tony's relationship with Thanos.  Both Thor and Tony are driven because of what Thanos has done and is doing.  But to a lesser extent, that is true of a lot of other characters as well, even those who maybe didn't really even know about Thanos before the events of this film.  Gamorrah, Starlord, Nebula, Drax, Vision, Wanda...  All were driven, to a great extent, either by a direct past relationship with Thanos or by things he did in the past that they discovered him to be behind in this film.  It was really done quite brilliantly.

I was most moved by the Thanos/Gamorrah scene.  And while I didn't cry, it seemed the most...  real.   I have no real belief that Dr. Strange's (my favorite MCU character) fate is final, but maybe Gamorrah's is, so it felt more emotional.  Don't tell me, but I'm still struggling with her asking Quill for a "favor", based on something SHE knew and Thanos didn't.  I'm not sure I've sussed all that out yet.

Gamora was a real stand-out for me in IW, just as much as Thanos was. Their scenes were some of the most engaging in the film, both at Nowhere (RIP Collector) and at Vormir. And speaking of Vormir, what did you think of the return of the Red Skull? Sadly, he wasn't portrayed by Hugo Weaving, but Ross Marquand did a great job bringing the character back into the MCU. I hope he pops up again, maybe in a future Cap movie!

Given how un-busy my summer is going to be this year, I've planned out a massive MCU re-watch starting in late June, to coincide with the release of Black Widow. Assuming the film has Thursday night preview showings on July 8th, here's what my schedule will be for the MCU re-watch, featuring just the films at the Disney+ shows:

6/24 - Iron Man
6/25 - The Incredible Hulk
6/26 - Iron Man 2
6/27 - Thor
6/28 - Captain America: The First Avenger
6/29 - Avengers
6/30 - Iron Man 3
7/1 - Thor: The Dark World
7/2 - Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 1
7/3 - Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 2
7/4 - Captain America: The Winter Soldier (Happy Independence Day!!!)
7/5 - Avengers: Age Of Ultron
7/6 - Ant-Man
7/7 - Captain America: Civil War
7/8 - Black Widow
7/9 - Black Panther
7/10 - Spider-Man: Homecoming
7/11 - Doctor Strange
7/12 - Thor: Ragnarok
7/13 - Avengers: Infinity War
7/14 - And-Man & The Wasp
7/15 - Captain Marvel
7/16 - Avengers: Endgame
7/17 - WandaVision (Episodes 1-5)
7/18 - WandaVision (Episodes 6-9)
7/19 - The Falcon And The Winter Soldier (Episodes 1-3)
7/20 - The Falcon And The Winter Soldier (Episodes 4-6)
7/21 - Spider-Man: Far From Home

And depending on the timeline of the show (which might be irrelevant), Loki might come before WandaVision, or after Spider-Man: FFH. Either way, it'll get a re-watch later this summer, definitely before What If...? starts airing, which is supposedly in August at some point.

It's been a couple of years since I've watched most of these films, back when I rewatched them all after Endgame came out, but before/during the release of Far From Home. I think I timed my rewatch schedule around the BD release of Endgame (which would've been around August 2019 I think). Of course, if I happened to have work or am busy otherwise, all dates are subject to change and shuffling, though I do want to try and catch up to Civil War by July 7th so I can be fresh for Black Widow that weekend. And if I am up for it, I'll be sure to post my thoughts on these films as I revisit them!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on May 25, 2021, 05:17:41 PM

Gamora was a real stand-out for me in IW, just as much as Thanos was. Their scenes were some of the most engaging in the film, both at Nowhere (RIP Collector) and at Vormir. And speaking of Vormir, what did you think of the return of the Red Skull? Sadly, he wasn't portrayed by Hugo Weaving, but Ross Marquand did a great job bringing the character back into the MCU. I hope he pops up again, maybe in a future Cap movie!



HAHA, my daughter and I were arguing about that, until they said something in the movie.   I also liked the appearance of Tyrion Lannister.  What he's doing in the MCU is beyond me, but still!  :) :)

Look, no spoilers, but when someone dies in a superhero movie, it's only like 50-50 that it's real.   I know for a fact that some of the people who were vaporized have some.... future in the series in some form or fashion.  I'm hoping Gamorrah is in that group.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on May 25, 2021, 10:59:16 PM
So...you have Ant Man and The Wasp, Endgame, and Spiderman: Far from Home to go for phase 3.  All (most) questions will be answered.  :)

I suspect that when you are done, you may want to do a rewatch of Ragnarok, Infinity War, and Endgame (and maybe Far from Home).
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on May 26, 2021, 12:53:21 AM
So...you have Ant Man and The Wasp, Endgame, and Spiderman: Far from Home to go for phase 3.  All (most) questions will be answered.  :)

I suspect that when you are done, you may want to do a rewatch of Ragnarok, Infinity War, and Endgame (and maybe Far from Home).

No Captain Marvel? Or did he see that one already? It was released just before Endgame.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on May 26, 2021, 06:03:46 AM
So...you have Ant Man and The Wasp, Endgame, and Spiderman: Far from Home to go for phase 3.  All (most) questions will be answered.  :)

I suspect that when you are done, you may want to do a rewatch of Ragnarok, Infinity War, and Endgame (and maybe Far from Home).

No Captain Marvel? Or did he see that one already? It was released just before Endgame.

-Marc.

I watched it a while ago.  I don't remember the exact order (as I watched them, I put an asterisk next to them, but like an idiot, I renumbered only the films I have remaining).   

I'm already going to rewatch IW before Endgame, since my wife missed the last half hour or so, and I am waiting for my daughter to be home to watch AM&W, Endgame and Spider-Man with all three of us.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: MinistroRaven on May 26, 2021, 12:42:02 PM
I watched The Avengers: Infinity War and...   it was a lot.   My daughter said I was going to "poop" when I saw it, and she was crying like a baby at the end (Groot, Spider-Man).  I didn't, but I've been thinking about it most of last night and this morning (which sucks, because I have a presentation to do later this morning). 

It was a lot.  I know too much, in a sense, so I know some things have to change, but for the life of me I have no idea how they're going to get there. 

I will say, Thanos is a better character than I thought he was going to be.  I don't know if it's just because I'm surprised at how good the effects were, or the degree to which they developed his motivations (compared to his previous appearances) but it was solid.   I haven't watched any of the movies a second time yet (except for the first two, just because I watched them so long ago) but this may be the first.

Infinity War is my favorite MCU film.  Endgame is close.  But Infinity War is SO good on so many levels.  Endgame does quite a few things arguably even better, including huge emotional impact.  The only small issue I have (no spoilers--don't worry), which others will likely agree with, is that it...let's just say it pushes the envelope a bit farther in terms of having to suspend belief.  Not a huge issue.  But it goes just far enough that it gets the #2 spot rather than the #1 (and Spiderman: Homecoming is my #3). 

Yeah, it is "a lot."  In many ways.  In terms of plot alone, it does SO MUCH, and has so many characters and so many settings.  And yet, it doesn't really feel rushed or feel like they shortchanged any of the storylines.  Yes, it moves at a breakneck pace.  But that pace serves the story rather than detracting from it.  It feels like it needs to move at a breakneck pace because that is what Thanos would be doing under the circumstances. 

And yeah, Thanos is a great character.  Infinity War really is his movie.  The only character that comes close in terms of character arc in this film alone is Thor.  But everything centers on Thanos.  And to me, it is fascinating that probably the best and most significant feeling relationships in this movie all seem to revolve around Thanos.  The two biggest and perhaps most obvious are Thor's relationship with Thanos and Tony's relationship with Thanos.  Both Thor and Tony are driven because of what Thanos has done and is doing.  But to a lesser extent, that is true of a lot of other characters as well, even those who maybe didn't really even know about Thanos before the events of this film.  Gamorrah, Starlord, Nebula, Drax, Vision, Wanda...  All were driven, to a great extent, either by a direct past relationship with Thanos or by things he did in the past that they discovered him to be behind in this film.  It was really done quite brilliantly.

I was most moved by the Thanos/Gamorrah scene.  And while I didn't cry, it seemed the most...  real.   I have no real belief that Dr. Strange's (my favorite MCU character) fate is final, but maybe Gamorrah's is, so it felt more emotional.  Don't tell me, but I'm still struggling with her asking Quill for a "favor", based on something SHE knew and Thanos didn't.  I'm not sure I've sussed all that out yet.

Gamora was a real stand-out for me in IW, just as much as Thanos was. Their scenes were some of the most engaging in the film, both at Nowhere (RIP Collector) and at Vormir. And speaking of Vormir, what did you think of the return of the Red Skull? Sadly, he wasn't portrayed by Hugo Weaving, but Ross Marquand did a great job bringing the character back into the MCU. I hope he pops up again, maybe in a future Cap movie!

Given how un-busy my summer is going to be this year, I've planned out a massive MCU re-watch starting in late June, to coincide with the release of Black Widow. Assuming the film has Thursday night preview showings on July 8th, here's what my schedule will be for the MCU re-watch, featuring just the films at the Disney+ shows:

6/24 - Iron Man
6/25 - The Incredible Hulk
6/26 - Iron Man 2
6/27 - Thor
6/28 - Captain America: The First Avenger
6/29 - Avengers
6/30 - Iron Man 3
7/1 - Thor: The Dark World
7/2 - Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 1
7/3 - Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 4
7/4 - Captain America: The Winter Soldier (Happy Independence Day!!!)
7/5 - Avengers: Age Of Ultron
7/6 - Ant-Man
7/7 - Captain America: Civil War
7/8 - Black Widow
7/9 - Black Panther
7/10 - Spider-Man: Homecoming
7/11 - Doctor Strange
7/12 - Thor: Ragnarok
7/13 - Avengers: Infinity War
7/14 - And-Man & The Wasp
7/15 - Captain Marvel
7/16 - Avengers: Endgame
7/17 - WandaVision (Episodes 1-5)
7/18 - WandaVision (Episodes 6-9)
7/19 - The Falcon And The Winter Soldier (Episodes 1-3)
7/20 - The Falcon And The Winter Soldier (Episodes 4-6)
7/21 - Spider-Man: Far From Home

And depending on the timeline of the show (which might be irrelevant), Loki might come before WandaVision, or after Spider-Man: FFH. Either way, it'll get a re-watch later this summer, definitely before What If...? starts airing, which is supposedly in August at some point.

It's been a couple of years since I've watched most of these films, back when I rewatched them all after Endgame came out, but before/during the release of Far From Home. I think I timed my rewatch schedule around the BD release of Endgame (which would've been around August 2019 I think). Of course, if I happened to have work or am busy otherwise, all dates are subject to change and shuffling, though I do want to try and catch up to Civil War by July 7th so I can be fresh for Black Widow that weekend. And if I am up for it, I'll be sure to post my thoughts on these films as I revisit them!

-Marc.

Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 4?!? I think I missed Vol 2 and 3, are those any good?  :rollin
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on May 26, 2021, 01:14:27 PM
I watched The Avengers: Infinity War and...   it was a lot.   My daughter said I was going to "poop" when I saw it, and she was crying like a baby at the end (Groot, Spider-Man).  I didn't, but I've been thinking about it most of last night and this morning (which sucks, because I have a presentation to do later this morning). 

It was a lot.  I know too much, in a sense, so I know some things have to change, but for the life of me I have no idea how they're going to get there. 

I will say, Thanos is a better character than I thought he was going to be.  I don't know if it's just because I'm surprised at how good the effects were, or the degree to which they developed his motivations (compared to his previous appearances) but it was solid.   I haven't watched any of the movies a second time yet (except for the first two, just because I watched them so long ago) but this may be the first.

Infinity War is my favorite MCU film.  Endgame is close.  But Infinity War is SO good on so many levels.  Endgame does quite a few things arguably even better, including huge emotional impact.  The only small issue I have (no spoilers--don't worry), which others will likely agree with, is that it...let's just say it pushes the envelope a bit farther in terms of having to suspend belief.  Not a huge issue.  But it goes just far enough that it gets the #2 spot rather than the #1 (and Spiderman: Homecoming is my #3). 

Yeah, it is "a lot."  In many ways.  In terms of plot alone, it does SO MUCH, and has so many characters and so many settings.  And yet, it doesn't really feel rushed or feel like they shortchanged any of the storylines.  Yes, it moves at a breakneck pace.  But that pace serves the story rather than detracting from it.  It feels like it needs to move at a breakneck pace because that is what Thanos would be doing under the circumstances. 

And yeah, Thanos is a great character.  Infinity War really is his movie.  The only character that comes close in terms of character arc in this film alone is Thor.  But everything centers on Thanos.  And to me, it is fascinating that probably the best and most significant feeling relationships in this movie all seem to revolve around Thanos.  The two biggest and perhaps most obvious are Thor's relationship with Thanos and Tony's relationship with Thanos.  Both Thor and Tony are driven because of what Thanos has done and is doing.  But to a lesser extent, that is true of a lot of other characters as well, even those who maybe didn't really even know about Thanos before the events of this film.  Gamorrah, Starlord, Nebula, Drax, Vision, Wanda...  All were driven, to a great extent, either by a direct past relationship with Thanos or by things he did in the past that they discovered him to be behind in this film.  It was really done quite brilliantly.

I was most moved by the Thanos/Gamorrah scene.  And while I didn't cry, it seemed the most...  real.   I have no real belief that Dr. Strange's (my favorite MCU character) fate is final, but maybe Gamorrah's is, so it felt more emotional.  Don't tell me, but I'm still struggling with her asking Quill for a "favor", based on something SHE knew and Thanos didn't.  I'm not sure I've sussed all that out yet.

Gamora was a real stand-out for me in IW, just as much as Thanos was. Their scenes were some of the most engaging in the film, both at Nowhere (RIP Collector) and at Vormir. And speaking of Vormir, what did you think of the return of the Red Skull? Sadly, he wasn't portrayed by Hugo Weaving, but Ross Marquand did a great job bringing the character back into the MCU. I hope he pops up again, maybe in a future Cap movie!

Given how un-busy my summer is going to be this year, I've planned out a massive MCU re-watch starting in late June, to coincide with the release of Black Widow. Assuming the film has Thursday night preview showings on July 8th, here's what my schedule will be for the MCU re-watch, featuring just the films at the Disney+ shows:

6/24 - Iron Man
6/25 - The Incredible Hulk
6/26 - Iron Man 2
6/27 - Thor
6/28 - Captain America: The First Avenger
6/29 - Avengers
6/30 - Iron Man 3
7/1 - Thor: The Dark World
7/2 - Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 1
7/3 - Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 4
7/4 - Captain America: The Winter Soldier (Happy Independence Day!!!)
7/5 - Avengers: Age Of Ultron
7/6 - Ant-Man
7/7 - Captain America: Civil War
7/8 - Black Widow
7/9 - Black Panther
7/10 - Spider-Man: Homecoming
7/11 - Doctor Strange
7/12 - Thor: Ragnarok
7/13 - Avengers: Infinity War
7/14 - And-Man & The Wasp
7/15 - Captain Marvel
7/16 - Avengers: Endgame
7/17 - WandaVision (Episodes 1-5)
7/18 - WandaVision (Episodes 6-9)
7/19 - The Falcon And The Winter Soldier (Episodes 1-3)
7/20 - The Falcon And The Winter Soldier (Episodes 4-6)
7/21 - Spider-Man: Far From Home

And depending on the timeline of the show (which might be irrelevant), Loki might come before WandaVision, or after Spider-Man: FFH. Either way, it'll get a re-watch later this summer, definitely before What If...? starts airing, which is supposedly in August at some point.

It's been a couple of years since I've watched most of these films, back when I rewatched them all after Endgame came out, but before/during the release of Far From Home. I think I timed my rewatch schedule around the BD release of Endgame (which would've been around August 2019 I think). Of course, if I happened to have work or am busy otherwise, all dates are subject to change and shuffling, though I do want to try and catch up to Civil War by July 7th so I can be fresh for Black Widow that weekend. And if I am up for it, I'll be sure to post my thoughts on these films as I revisit them!

-Marc.

Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 4?!? I think I missed Vol 2 and 3, are those any good?  :rollin

Oops! A typo.... I meant Vol. 2!!!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on May 26, 2021, 04:25:18 PM
My girlfriend and I are still doing our huge rewatch. All re-watch for me, some of them are a first for her, and the ones she's seen, she doesn't remember too well, so it's been a lot of fun. She also has no comics knowledge and didn't see a ton of stuff on the internet. So I get to see her watch movies without knowing what's happening (with exceptions). Last movie we did was Dr. Strange which followed Black Panther. This weekend we'll do Thor Ragnorok and then I guess a week later get to Ant-Man and the Wasp. I'll try to get her to agree to Infinity War (which she has seen but mostly forgot and had virtually no context when she saw it the first time) and Endgame in the same weekend. Should be fun!

Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on May 26, 2021, 04:54:04 PM
You're going to watch Ant Man and Wasp before Infinity War?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on May 26, 2021, 04:56:32 PM
You're going to watch Ant Man and Wasp before Infinity War?


Yup! Other than the post credit scene, it largely takes place before or during. It just feels weird. Narratively to show half the planet dusting and then do a whole movie before that happens. But I rearranged some of the post credits scenes to make more sense too. So after infinity war, weíll watch the AntMan dusting scene followed by Captain Marvelís post credit scene. Makes more sense that way.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on May 26, 2021, 04:59:27 PM
Oh...  Well then...  Go forth with my blessing.

I never stopped to think about it in these terms, but that post-credit scene is perhaps the event with the single biggest impact on the MCU that is in a post-credit scene rather than a film proper.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on May 26, 2021, 09:05:15 PM
Oh...  Well then...  Go forth with my blessing.

I never stopped to think about it in these terms, but that post-credit scene is perhaps the event with the single biggest impact on the MCU that is in a post-credit scene rather than a film proper.

Yup, either that or Thanos grabbed the gauntlet and saying 'Fine, I'll do it myself..'
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on May 27, 2021, 04:53:43 AM
Oh...  Well then...  Go forth with my blessing.

I never stopped to think about it in these terms, but that post-credit scene is perhaps the event with the single biggest impact on the MCU that is in a post-credit scene rather than a film proper.

Yup, either that or Thanos grabbed the gauntlet and saying 'Fine, I'll do it myself..'

Except they retconned that given he didnít use the REAL gauntlet.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on May 27, 2021, 06:02:01 AM
Oh...  Well then...  Go forth with my blessing.

I never stopped to think about it in these terms, but that post-credit scene is perhaps the event with the single biggest impact on the MCU that is in a post-credit scene rather than a film proper.

Yup, either that or Thanos grabbed the gauntlet and saying 'Fine, I'll do it myself..'

Except they retconned that given he didnít use the REAL gauntlet.

Wait, what?  (Bearing in mind I am post-Infinity War and pre-Ant Man and Wasp and pre-Endgame)

I'm going to re-watch Infinity War with the wife, then we're going to bang out AM&W and Endgame with my daughter.  Try to do all that this weekend, maybe.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on May 27, 2021, 06:38:46 AM
Oh...  Well then...  Go forth with my blessing.

I never stopped to think about it in these terms, but that post-credit scene is perhaps the event with the single biggest impact on the MCU that is in a post-credit scene rather than a film proper.

Yup, either that or Thanos grabbed the gauntlet and saying 'Fine, I'll do it myself..'

Except they retconned that given he didnít use the REAL gauntlet.

What? I donít think so. I think they said the one Odin had was fake.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on May 27, 2021, 06:57:31 AM
Oh...  Well then...  Go forth with my blessing.

I never stopped to think about it in these terms, but that post-credit scene is perhaps the event with the single biggest impact on the MCU that is in a post-credit scene rather than a film proper.

Yup, either that or Thanos grabbed the gauntlet and saying 'Fine, I'll do it myself..'

Except they retconned that given he didnít use the REAL gauntlet.

Wait, what?  (Bearing in mind I am post-Infinity War and pre-Ant Man and Wasp and pre-Endgame)

I'm going to re-watch Infinity War with the wife, then we're going to bang out AM&W and Endgame with my daughter.  Try to do all that this weekend, maybe.

The gauntlet he used in IW was forged by Eitri.  My assumption then is that THAT gauntlet is not THE real one. Whether the one in Odinís vault is THE real one or not, it wasnít the one he used for The Snap.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Vmadera00 on May 27, 2021, 07:38:24 AM
I could be wrong, but the "Fine, I'll do it myself" scene is supposed to happened right before he goes to Xandar to get the Power Stone.

The fake gauntlet we see in Ragnarok was supposed to be from Odin's earlier days as as conqueror, which is why Hela knows it is fake. But the design was there, and it's why Thanos went to Nidavellir to get one made for him (real one).

Maybe I'm just reading to much into it, but that's how I saw it.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on May 27, 2021, 07:42:24 AM
Also, the most I get from that scene was the decision by Thanos to cut out the middlemen and get personally involved.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on May 27, 2021, 08:19:28 AM
I could be wrong, but the "Fine, I'll do it myself" scene is supposed to happened right before he goes to Xandar to get the Power Stone.

The fake gauntlet we see in Ragnarok was supposed to be from Odin's earlier days as as conqueror, which is why Hela knows it is fake. But the design was there, and it's why Thanos went to Nidavellir to get one made for him (real one).

Maybe I'm just reading to much into it, but that's how I saw it.

Again, I say "wait, what?"   Should I know this at this point?   Have I missed something if I don't even know there are two gauntlets out there? 
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: faizoff on May 27, 2021, 08:24:44 AM
I could be wrong, but the "Fine, I'll do it myself" scene is supposed to happened right before he goes to Xandar to get the Power Stone.

The fake gauntlet we see in Ragnarok was supposed to be from Odin's earlier days as as conqueror, which is why Hela knows it is fake. But the design was there, and it's why Thanos went to Nidavellir to get one made for him (real one).

Maybe I'm just reading to much into it, but that's how I saw it.

Again, I say "wait, what?"   Should I know this at this point?   Have I missed something if I don't even know there are two gauntlets out there? 

The scene in Ragnarok where Hela knocks down the Infinity Gauntlet as fake, closes a plot point many hardcore fans saw or perceived as a loophole. In the first Thor movie, there is a tiny glimpse (literally a couple of frames) of the Infinity Gauntlet that got everyone very excited as the place where it was being stored.

In the 2nd Avengers movie, there was the post credit scene where they show Thanos grabbing the Infinity Gauntlet saying "Fine I'll do it myself". This brought about the conversation if Thanos had it all along, what was that in the 1st Thor movie. So while minor and inconsequential to 95% of MCU movie watchers, that scene in Ragnarok closes out that loophole.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on May 27, 2021, 08:28:18 AM
I could be wrong, but the "Fine, I'll do it myself" scene is supposed to happened right before he goes to Xandar to get the Power Stone.

The fake gauntlet we see in Ragnarok was supposed to be from Odin's earlier days as as conqueror, which is why Hela knows it is fake. But the design was there, and it's why Thanos went to Nidavellir to get one made for him (real one).

Maybe I'm just reading to much into it, but that's how I saw it.

Again, I say "wait, what?"   Should I know this at this point?   Have I missed something if I don't even know there are two gauntlets out there? 
I could be wrong, but the "Fine, I'll do it myself" scene is supposed to happened right before he goes to Xandar to get the Power Stone.

The fake gauntlet we see in Ragnarok was supposed to be from Odin's earlier days as as conqueror, which is why Hela knows it is fake. But the design was there, and it's why Thanos went to Nidavellir to get one made for him (real one).

Maybe I'm just reading to much into it, but that's how I saw it.

Again, I say "wait, what?"   Should I know this at this point?   Have I missed something if I don't even know there are two gauntlets out there? 

The scene in Ragnarok where Hela knocks down the Infinity Gauntlet as fake, closes a plot point many hardcore fans saw or perceived as a loophole. In the first Thor movie, there is a tiny glimpse (literally a couple of frames) of the Infinity Gauntlet that got everyone very excited as the place where it was being stored.

In the 2nd Avengers movie, there was the post credit scene where they show Thanos grabbing the Infinity Gauntlet saying "Fine I'll do it myself". This brought about the conversation if Thanos had it all along, what was that in the 1st Thor movie. So while minor and inconsequential to 95% of MCU movie watchers, that scene in Ragnarok closes out that loophole.

Exactly.

Stadler, you are fine.  Everything that is being said comes from stuff you have already seen.  No idea what Chad is talking about, but he is mistaken.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Vmadera00 on May 27, 2021, 08:34:13 AM
I could be wrong, but the "Fine, I'll do it myself" scene is supposed to happened right before he goes to Xandar to get the Power Stone.

The fake gauntlet we see in Ragnarok was supposed to be from Odin's earlier days as as conqueror, which is why Hela knows it is fake. But the design was there, and it's why Thanos went to Nidavellir to get one made for him (real one).

Maybe I'm just reading to much into it, but that's how I saw it.

Again, I say "wait, what?"   Should I know this at this point?   Have I missed something if I don't even know there are two gauntlets out there?

Yes, you've seen these scenes (if you saw the mid-credit scene from Age of Ultron). Here is the Thanos one I mentioned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d8VTAbotXY

Here is the one from Ragnarok, at 43 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGnIiA7oJvg

Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on May 27, 2021, 09:00:04 AM
I could be wrong, but the "Fine, I'll do it myself" scene is supposed to happened right before he goes to Xandar to get the Power Stone.

The fake gauntlet we see in Ragnarok was supposed to be from Odin's earlier days as as conqueror, which is why Hela knows it is fake. But the design was there, and it's why Thanos went to Nidavellir to get one made for him (real one).

Maybe I'm just reading to much into it, but that's how I saw it.

Again, I say "wait, what?"   Should I know this at this point?   Have I missed something if I don't even know there are two gauntlets out there?

No. Literally none of it is important at all.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on May 27, 2021, 09:17:02 AM
Okay, so I saw all of those and didn't put it together.  But I understand it now.

And in keeping with our previous discussion, I find Hela to be, well, hella sexy in that clip where she pushes over the gauntlet and says "fake!".

EDIT: ANNNNDDDDD...... I stumbled on this (https://youtu.be/jPNhqWTFrZk).   I don't know or care if it's true or not, but it certainly offers a perspective and some clarity as to what we've seen before.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on May 27, 2021, 09:55:15 AM
Going back to the Age of Ultron post-credit scene, I actually thought it was pretty pointless.  At that stage, we already know there are infinity stones.  And we already know Thanos is out there.  Those with a minimal knowledge of Marvel comics history or those who have an Internet connection already knew some version of infinity war was going to be happening.  For those that knew, that scene added nothing.  And for those that didn't know, I don't think it added anything that would have made any sense.  Add to that the fact that, visually, that scene looked off.  So, it has always kinda bothered me.  There are some post-credit (or mid-credit) scenes that advance the overall MCU plot and usually come across as big reveals/teasers.  Others are just silly and fun (dancing baby Groot, for example), which is fine.  The Thanos/gauntlet one fits into the former category, but never felt like it was executed properly to me. 

EDIT:  Stadler, that theory has been floating around for awhile (note the date of that video).  I can't remember whether I've seen that specific video, but I've seen the theory.  We may have even discussed it in this thread (can't remember).  Ultimately, it doesn't really impact anything in any of the films, whether true or not.  But it's an interesting and fun theory that actually makes a lot of sense.  If forced to say whether I think there is any truth to it or not, I would guess that maybe he tried, but didn't succeed in finding them all, and possibly came to the conclusion part way through the quest that it was not a good idea, and that they should actually be kept separate, hence Volstagg and the others taking the reality stone to the collector at the end of The Dark World.  But who knows?
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 27, 2021, 10:25:31 AM
Also, the most I get from that scene was the decision by Thanos to cut out the middlemen and get personally involved.

Ultimately, thatís what it ended up being. But at the time, it certainly implied that he had or was breaking in to Odinís vault to steal the Gauntlet. Helaís ďfakeĒ comment was a brilliant way to fix what was about to come - that Thanos needed a new/different Gauntlet. Without that one comment from Hell, there would have been no sense in the whole issue of Eitri making him a gauntlet.

THAT is what I was talking about - maybe it wasnít an actual ďretconĒ of the AOU mid credits scene, but kinda.  The three scenes create some manner of inconsistency in terms of timing, and purpose.

Just stumbled on this as an explanation, which I hadnít heard before - https://youtu.be/JdOwY4k33IM
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Post by: bosk1 on May 27, 2021, 10:29:48 AM
But at the time, it certainly implied that he had or was breaking in to Odinís vault to steal the Gauntlet.

???  No it doesn't.  The whole issue people had with that scene is that it pretty clearly is NOT Odin's vault.  It is a different gauntlet and different location altogether.
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Post by: Stadler on May 27, 2021, 10:37:10 AM
But at the time, it certainly implied that he had or was breaking in to Odinís vault to steal the Gauntlet.

???  No it doesn't.  The whole issue people had with that scene is that it pretty clearly is NOT Odin's vault.  It is a different gauntlet and different location altogether.

And if I'm following you, in both the first Thor movie and in Ragnarok, the gauntlet was standing up; in the mid-credits scene wasn't it lying on a sort of cradle in a nook?  That's what it looked like to me.
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 27, 2021, 10:42:21 AM
But at the time, it certainly implied that he had or was breaking in to Odinís vault to steal the Gauntlet.

???  No it doesn't.  The whole issue people had with that scene is that it pretty clearly is NOT Odin's vault.  It is a different gauntlet and different location altogether.

Hence the word he HAD (ie, prior to the events of that scene) ... I donít recall it was an insinuation/implication it was a 2nd Gauntlet.
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Post by: bosk1 on May 27, 2021, 11:20:17 AM
But at the time, it certainly implied that he had or was breaking in to Odinís vault to steal the Gauntlet.

???  No it doesn't.  The whole issue people had with that scene is that it pretty clearly is NOT Odin's vault.  It is a different gauntlet and different location altogether.

Hence the word he HAD (ie, prior to the events of that scene) ... I donít recall it was an insinuation/implication it was a 2nd Gauntlet.

You mean, other than the fact that it looked completely different and was in a completely different location

People were pointing this out right after Ultron premiered, and Feige himself confirmed way back in 2015 that they were two different gauntlets. 
https://www.cinemablend.com/new/Big-Secret-Behind-Infinity-Gauntlet-According-Marvel-Kevin-Feige-71192.html
https://www.slashfilm.com/mcu-infinity-gauntlets-thanos/ 
Again, there was zero implication that what Thanos had came from Odin's vault. 
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 27, 2021, 11:56:13 AM
Okey dokey then. I never knew any of that, or am completely misremembering. Itís not like we ever got anything other than a very grainy still image from Thor 1, so Iím unclear how everyone was supposed to know that they ďlooked completely differentĒ.

I still think there are flaws in the way they represented three different gauntlets, but whatever.  Iím gonna tap out now.
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Post by: The Letter M on May 27, 2021, 12:13:17 PM
I think the biggest tell that there was a fake gauntlet was that the one in Odin's vault was right-handed, whereas in the comics, and the films, Thanos' gauntlet was left-handed. I think the producers of Thor just threw in the "fake" gauntlet as an easter egg (as are most of the things in Odin's vault, which will likely never be revisited).

As for Thanos' credits scene in AOU, I think it was included for two reasons - to remind fans of who Thanos is (if they've only seen the first Avengers and/or perhaps haven't seen GOTG Vol. 1), and what his deal is with regards to collecting the Infinity Stones; and to bring back the off-shot side-quest that Thor went on, now that Thor was aware of the Infinity Stones' appearances in the MCU, his fate would then be further tied to Thanos and his quest to get them all.

As for the timing - I've heard that the AOU credits scene was retconned to take place not long before Infinity War, probably in the 2016/2017 time frame. Thanos would have already commissioned Eitri to craft the gauntlet for him, but left it in storage until he had a plan put together to start gathering the stones. One theory says that he didn't start his quest until he had learned of the death of Odin (at the beginning of Ragnarok), mostly because by that point, the Nine Realms would becoming unguarded, and so there'd be no protection from the Asgardians (who had the Tesseract, and knew where the Aether was being kept). At that point, all Thanos had to do was brute force his way past Xandar's Nova Corps and retrieve the Power Stone.

Of course, there's the real world explanation that these things just change over time because of different directors, producers, and changes in design. The gauntlet seen at the end of AOU was a bit different than the one we see in Infinity War, which are both different than the one seen in Thor/Ragnarok (which was proven fake anyway), but it's nice that some things can be explained away with retcons.

-Marc.
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Post by: Stadler on May 27, 2021, 01:14:07 PM
(as are most of the things in Odin's vault, which will likely never be revisited).


Which of course is the oldest con in the book.  Hide in plain site!   Wasn't that used in National Treasure as well?
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Post by: Zook on May 28, 2021, 12:42:19 AM
I was watching Civil War, a movie I've seen several times, and I only just now noticed that during the final fight, Iron Man was going to shoot Bucky point blank in the face with a rocket.
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Post by: DoctorAction on May 29, 2021, 12:29:37 AM
I just finished my rewatch of Thor 2 that I started weeks ago. Man, that is a dull film that makes no sense (even in the context of fantasy comic book movies). Was pretty to look.

But - the Winter Soldier next, I believe! Woo!
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Post by: Stadler on May 29, 2021, 08:44:16 AM
Not really related to the thread or the movie itself, but I always loved the title "Winter Soldier".  So evocative, and can mean so many things (maybe not in the context of the movie, but generally).
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Post by: DoctorAction on May 31, 2021, 12:40:59 AM
Side note: My absolute favourite comic book writer Ed Brubaker wrote the Winter Soldier arc for Marvel. I've not read that (not a superhero comic guy, in general, but mean to read it some day) but his other work (mainly crime and stuff) for Image Comics is amazing and well with checking out of you're remotely interested in that kind of action.
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Post by: lonestar on May 31, 2021, 09:01:54 PM
I've been piling through the meat and potatoes of the Netflix series again, and I'm reminded again that Vincent D'Onofrio's Fisk is hands down the best MCU villain. For me, it's not even close.
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Post by: jammindude on May 31, 2021, 10:50:19 PM
I've been piling through the meat and potatoes of the Netflix series again, and I'm reminded again that Vincent D'Onofrio's Fisk is hands down the best MCU villain. For me, it's not even close.

I think itís very close, but I put Tennantís Kilgrave just above it.
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Post by: lonestar on June 01, 2021, 07:57:13 AM
While the acting is definitely comparable, I felt they just developed Fisk so much better, there's so much more flesh in the character,hes so brilliantly 3 dimensional.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 01, 2021, 11:34:51 AM
I've been piling through the meat and potatoes of the Netflix series again, and I'm reminded again that Vincent D'Onofrio's Fisk is hands down the best MCU villain. For me, it's not even close.
Well, Loki and Thanos are both close, for me.

But Fisk is incredible.
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Post by: lonestar on June 01, 2021, 03:06:32 PM
I guess I've always been drawn to darker characters. I think the dynamic of Fisk vs Matt/Foggy/Karen was so perfectly grown through the three seasons.
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Post by: The Letter M on June 01, 2021, 04:36:17 PM
I've been piling through the meat and potatoes of the Netflix series again, and I'm reminded again that Vincent D'Onofrio's Fisk is hands down the best MCU villain. For me, it's not even close.
Well, Loki and Thanos are both close, for me.

But Fisk is incredible.

I echo these sentiments as well. Loki is just so good, and part of that comes from the charm of Tom Hiddleston. I think comparing Fisk to any of the film villains is a bit unfair because Fisk had three seasons' worth of time to develop and become the villain he ended up being. There was a lot more time to dive into his past and character and see just what made him tick. But if you compared him to the other Netflix Marvel shows, he's definitely the best villain out of them all, with Kilgrave being second IMO. I honestly don't remember much about the others, except for maybe the ones in Luke Cage, and I honestly don't recall much about Iron Fist.

Speaking of the Netflix characters, what do you all think of the idea that if those characters return in the MCU played by the same actors/actresses, that they won't be the EXACT SAME characters from the shows? I've heard this idea/rumor spread about in recent months now that the rights for them have reverted back to Marvel Studios, and that they may want to bring back some (not all) of the actors to play those characters again (most notably Daredevil, Jessica Jones, and The Punisher), but they wouldn't link or connect to their shows from Netflix? It'd be a sort of multi-verseal type of thing, where they probably could not reference any of those stories, but at least still be played by the same people.

Would it be better just to recast all of them and start fresh with fresh actors? Or keep (some of) the same actors, even if they can't refer to the Netflix shows specifically?

-Marc.
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Post by: jingle.boy on June 01, 2021, 06:08:42 PM
Recast.
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Post by: Adami on June 01, 2021, 06:12:21 PM
Recast Iron Fist and keep the rest.

Yes!
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Post by: jammindude on June 01, 2021, 06:29:02 PM
But....he IS the immortal Iron Fist...
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Post by: lonestar on June 01, 2021, 06:30:08 PM
 :lol

One of the best parts of all the Netflix shows was when like shut him down in the middle of that line.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 02, 2021, 10:03:37 AM
It would be better to keep Charlie Cox, Krysten Ritter, and Vincent D'onofrio for sure, if they actually have plans for those characters.
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Post by: lonestar on June 02, 2021, 10:36:40 AM
It would be better to keep Charlie Cox, Krysten Ritter, and Vincent D'onofrio for sure, if they actually have plans for those characters.

Totally agree. It'd be a shame not to have a Tom Holland/D'onofrio match up.
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Post by: bosk1 on June 02, 2021, 05:53:18 PM
By the way, anyone other than me have to look up "Mungo Jerry" after seeing Endgame?
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Post by: soupytwist on June 03, 2021, 09:12:02 AM
I've been piling through the meat and potatoes of the Netflix series again, and I'm reminded again that Vincent D'Onofrio's Fisk is hands down the best MCU villain. For me, it's not even close.

Magneto was the best thing about the X-Men movies - both McKellen and Fassbender were great in the role.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 03, 2021, 09:27:08 AM
By the way, anyone other than me have to look up "Mungo Jerry" after seeing Endgame?
I knew who Mungo Jerry was from some of their music, but I definitely had to look them up in Google Images to get the joke.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on June 03, 2021, 11:46:21 AM
I've been piling through the meat and potatoes of the Netflix series again, and I'm reminded again that Vincent D'Onofrio's Fisk is hands down the best MCU villain. For me, it's not even close.

Magneto was the best thing about the X-Men movies - both McKellen and Fassbender were great in the role.

McKellan is outstanding in everything. One of my greatest career moments was cooking him a grill cheese, with Bleu cheese added, side of tomato soup.
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Post by: Vmadera00 on June 07, 2021, 06:57:55 AM
Loki this Wednesday  :corn

I'm  very intrigued based on what I've seen so far :mehlin
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Post by: lonestar on June 07, 2021, 08:48:03 AM
Very fucking stoked for Loki. :caffeine:

I think this is the one that just might blow the MCU wide open.
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Post by: jingle.boy on June 07, 2021, 09:41:10 AM
Very fucking stoked for Loki. :caffeine:

I think this is the one that just might blow the MCU wide open.

Yup... it seem this could start to introduce the multiverse.  The cameo possibilities and easter eggs are endless.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on June 07, 2021, 10:41:42 AM
I've been piling through the meat and potatoes of the Netflix series again, and I'm reminded again that Vincent D'Onofrio's Fisk is hands down the best MCU villain. For me, it's not even close.

Magneto was the best thing about the X-Men movies - both McKellen and Fassbender were great in the role.

McKellan is outstanding in everything. One of my greatest career moments was cooking him a grill cheese, with Bleu cheese added, side of tomato soup.

I just caught that; that's pretty cool!   That sounds DELICIOUS!
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on June 07, 2021, 11:17:01 AM
I've been piling through the meat and potatoes of the Netflix series again, and I'm reminded again that Vincent D'Onofrio's Fisk is hands down the best MCU villain. For me, it's not even close.

Magneto was the best thing about the X-Men movies - both McKellen and Fassbender were great in the role.

McKellan is outstanding in everything. One of my greatest career moments was cooking him a grill cheese, with Bleu cheese added, side of tomato soup.

I just caught that; that's pretty cool!   That sounds DELICIOUS!

Yeah, either him or cooking for Steven Hawking are the biggest jewels in my celebrity crown.

Very fucking stoked for Loki. :caffeine:

I think this is the one that just might blow the MCU wide open.

Yup... it seem this could start to introduce the multiverse.  The cameo possibilities and easter eggs are endless.

And I can totally see marvel teasing us relentlessly... Without a safe word in sight.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 07, 2021, 11:20:39 AM
Late to the party, but I recently saw WandaVision. That was great, original and with the right mix of humour and tension! great job  :tup
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on June 07, 2021, 12:02:05 PM
I've been piling through the meat and potatoes of the Netflix series again, and I'm reminded again that Vincent D'Onofrio's Fisk is hands down the best MCU villain. For me, it's not even close.

Magneto was the best thing about the X-Men movies - both McKellen and Fassbender were great in the role.

Did you meet either one of them, or was it a case of they were simply in your "restaurant/kitchen/whatever you call it"?  Sorry for the questions, I'm just fascinated by stories like this.

Ever give any thought to being a personal chef? 

McKellan is outstanding in everything. One of my greatest career moments was cooking him a grill cheese, with Bleu cheese added, side of tomato soup.

I just caught that; that's pretty cool!   That sounds DELICIOUS!
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on June 07, 2021, 02:29:36 PM
McKellan just ate there, but I creepily stared at him throughout his lunch.


Hawking was the only time I broke the non contact rule and thanked him for his work. He said you're welcome, I spoke mostly to his team. I have seen him lecture twice at Berkeley so it was definitely a fan boy moment. I also definitely could've gotten fired for it.

Hawking had chicken broth with very small diced and severely overcooked vegetables.

Being a personal chef never appealed to me, I talked with the guy that was Soros' personal chef, and basically you're sacrificing any semblance of a life and are on call 24/7. Supposedly the money is really good though, I recently saw an ad for one from indeed that started at 120k.
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Post by: Stadler on June 07, 2021, 02:37:54 PM
I guess it depends who it's for, though.   If they travel a lot, I guess you have to travel.  If they are homebodies, I suppose it could be worse.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on June 08, 2021, 06:57:23 AM
I guess it depends who it's for, though.   If they travel a lot, I guess you have to travel.  If they are homebodies, I suppose it could be worse.

Yeah, either way you're committed to the 24/7 lifestyle, probably less of a life than a hotel or restaurant chef. I'm pretty happy with my m-f, 6-3 schedule, and having all holidays off is really fucking cool.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: ariich on June 08, 2021, 11:42:29 PM
Just a quick reminder to everyone to keep Loki spoilers in the Loki thread for now, particularly while the show is airing!
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: MirrorMask on June 13, 2021, 01:59:48 PM
I started watching The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

Help me out with a detail - what "officially" happened with Steve Rogers? I've seen Endgame, I know he went back in time and stayed in the past and lived out his life with Peggy, showing up as an old man to hand down the shield to the Falcon. But what does the public know? what's the official position? is he considered dead? do people assume he disappeared or that something happend to him in the final battle against Thanos?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on June 13, 2021, 02:07:07 PM
I started watching The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

Help me out with a detail - what "officially" happened with Steve Rogers? I've seen Endgame, I know he went back in time and stayed in the past and lived out his life with Peggy, showing up as an old man to hand down the shield to the Falcon. But what does the public know? what's the official position? is he considered dead? do people assume he disappeared or that something happend to him in the final battle against Thanos?

Theyíve kept it intentionally vague. I think the public has theories but it hasnít been stated for sure.
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Post by: faizoff on June 13, 2021, 03:37:05 PM
I can't remember but in the 1st episode of TFATWS don't they have a passing line addressing the passing of Steve Rodgers? I could be misremembering.
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Post by: Vmadera00 on June 13, 2021, 04:23:51 PM
I can't remember but in the 1st episode of TFATWS don't they have a passing line addressing the passing of Steve Rodgers? I could be misremembering.

They also mentioned of him being "on the moon"
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on June 13, 2021, 06:38:00 PM
I can't remember but in the 1st episode of TFATWS don't they have a passing line addressing the passing of Steve Rodgers? I could be misremembering.

They just say ďheís goneĒ and the sorts a lot. They had an ďin memoriamĒ for him in Spider-Man but it was again vague. They probably donít hide any plans for him but are keeping it open just in case.
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Post by: The Letter M on June 13, 2021, 09:19:19 PM
I'm sure they purposely left Steve Rogers' whereabouts post-Endgame intentionally vague just so they have the possibility to bring him back later. Remember, Banner made a time machine that pushed time through people, so there's always the chance that he could do that to Steve and make him young again. Or perhaps if Chris Evans returns to the role, his next appearance could be from his life with Peggy, or from an alternate timeline/future/past.

Either way, it's a loose end that, hopefully, will get tied up some how in a nice neat bow, but I won't hold my breath. The MCU can be pretty good about its continuity, but there are always a few loose ends that are never address again. I'm still amazed at the fact that over a decade later, we will finally revisit Emil Blonsky/Abomination in the upcoming She-Hulk series (even though I would have rather seen The Leader finally make his big-headed appearance in the MCU).

-Marc.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 14, 2021, 10:28:14 AM
Steve Rogers is totally on the moon.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on June 14, 2021, 10:29:22 AM
Steve Rogers is totally on the moon.

Until recently, Nick Fury was on the moon.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 14, 2021, 10:29:51 AM
Steve Rogers is totally on the moon.

Until recently, Nick Fury was on the moon.
Coincidence?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on June 14, 2021, 10:33:28 AM
Steve Rogers is totally on the moon.

Until recently, Nick Fury was on the moon.
Coincidence?

I think not!
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: soupytwist on June 18, 2021, 03:30:38 AM
First impressions appearing online for Black Widow - seems very positive so far.  Lots of praise for Pugh and Harbour.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Zook on June 18, 2021, 04:00:05 PM
First impressions appearing online for Black Widow - seems very positive so far.  Lots of praise for Pugh and Harbour.

First impressions are usually always positive because they're paid off. I don't think I've ever been truly disappointed by a Marvel movie. They've all been enjoyable, some way more than others.
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Post by: The Letter M on June 24, 2021, 08:27:22 PM
https://youtu.be/8YjFbMbfXaQ

A new trailer for Shang-Chi has dropped, showing the Abomination (for the first time since 2008's The Incredible Hulk) fighting a sorcerer (who many assume could be Wong from Doctor Strange). Cannot wait to see what else this film has to offer!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: DoctorAction on June 25, 2021, 03:48:18 AM
Wasn't highly excited by the previous trailer but that one looks great.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Vmadera00 on June 25, 2021, 05:38:16 AM
Yeah this trailer is a lot better than the first one.

Sradler, did you watch Endgame yet?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on June 25, 2021, 07:00:16 AM
No, not yet.  I re-watched Infinity War with the wife because she nodded off a bit, but waiting for my daughter to come home (she comes back Sunday night).   Try to watch it then, though I forget if we have to watch Ant Man and Wasp before that.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 25, 2021, 07:10:13 AM
Ant-Man and the Wasp is before Endgame.

Technically, most of it is before Infinity War, also.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on June 25, 2021, 07:13:05 AM
Ant-Man and the Wasp is before Endgame.

Technically, most of it is before Infinity War, also.

Yea. I watched it right before infinity war but then Iíll watch the midcredit scenes after infinity war.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: cramx3 on June 25, 2021, 08:32:42 AM
Just chiming in to say that the girl I am currently dating has got me sucked into the marvel universe.  I haven't seen any of the movies and honestly had little interest.  But she was over a couple weeks ago, flipping through the tv channels and one of the movies was on so we watched a bit and her enjoyment of talking about it got me intrigued and figured it would be a fun thing to do together.  So we are going in chronological order and just watched the first Captain America.  Solid movie. Captain Marvel is next, probably next week we will watch. 

I don't want to get spoiled so I will likely stay away from this thread, but it appears I am getting sucked into the universe.
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Post by: ariich on June 25, 2021, 08:34:51 AM
That's awesome!

Although personally I think chronological order for first viewing isn't a good idea, but whatever.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on June 25, 2021, 08:41:36 AM
That's awesome!

Although personally I think chronological order for first viewing isn't a good idea, but whatever.

Thatís how Iím doing it with my girlfriend. She seems to be enjoying it.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: cramx3 on June 25, 2021, 08:50:41 AM
That's awesome!

Although personally I think chronological order for first viewing isn't a good idea, but whatever.

Can you explain why without giving any spoilers?  And I'm assuming you mean that it's better to watch it on release order and not something different then?

I also come from a background of knowing nothing about Marvel.  I was never into the comic books or anything.  I did have a few questions about wtf was going on in the first Captain America movie, but was told, I will get my answers soon enough so just sit tight.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on June 25, 2021, 08:53:49 AM
There are post credit scenes after some movies that will make no sense or will be spoilers if watched out of release order, specifically Captain Marvel iirc.


That Shang Chi trailer looks fucking dope, it's a trip cause I was watching Hulk the other day and was wondering what happened to Abomination.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on June 25, 2021, 08:57:33 AM
There are post credit scenes after some movies that will make no sense or will be spoilers if watched out of release order, specifically Captain Marvel iirc.


That Shang Chi trailer looks fucking dope, it's a trip cause I was watching Hulk the other day and was wondering what happened to Abomination.

Which is why I also rearranged several of the post credits scenes. Though for most of the movies itís actually fine. Just takes a bit of work.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on June 25, 2021, 09:01:14 AM
There are post credit scenes after some movies that will make no sense or will be spoilers if watched out of release order, specifically Captain Marvel iirc.


That Shang Chi trailer looks fucking dope, it's a trip cause I was watching Hulk the other day and was wondering what happened to Abomination.

Rumour is he's coming back in She-Hulk as well.  Probably just a mini cameo here.  But yeah... that trailer was sic
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on June 25, 2021, 09:06:37 AM
I wonder if they will keep the idea that the rings (now bracelets I guess) are alien tech. Sure looks techy.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on June 25, 2021, 09:36:08 AM
There are post credit scenes after some movies that will make no sense or will be spoilers if watched out of release order, specifically Captain Marvel iirc.


That Shang Chi trailer looks fucking dope, it's a trip cause I was watching Hulk the other day and was wondering what happened to Abomination.

Which is why I also rearranged several of the post credits scenes. Though for most of the movies itís actually fine. Just takes a bit of work.

Yeah, the only one that really stands out is the Captain Marvel one where she shows up at Avengers HQ.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on June 25, 2021, 09:46:21 AM
Oh I wrote a whole thing out to keep it organized. But from what I remember, yea moving cap marvels to after infinity war, but also putting ant man and the wasps there too. Also moved Thor 3s to whatever was directly before infinity war. So maybe actually after ant man and the wasp. Some others but not nearly as much as one might think.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on June 25, 2021, 10:28:14 AM
There are post credit scenes after some movies that will make no sense or will be spoilers if watched out of release order, specifically Captain Marvel iirc.


That Shang Chi trailer looks fucking dope, it's a trip cause I was watching Hulk the other day and was wondering what happened to Abomination.

Rumour is he's coming back in She-Hulk as well.  Probably just a mini cameo here.  But yeah... that trailer was sic

Not a rumor, Kevin Feige himself introduce Tim Roth as returning to the role for She-Hulk when they had their big presentation last December, and it seems like he could have a substantial role, so I suspect he'll be a recurring character, if not a main villain. His appearance in Shang-Chi could set up why he'll appear in She-Hulk.

And the wizard he is fighting in the Shang-Chi trailer looks like Wong, as there was a photo of his actor with Simu Liu (Shang-Chi) on location for the film, so it seems like Wong will make a cameo as well!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: ariich on June 25, 2021, 12:02:48 PM
Yeah partly the post-credits scenes in terms of spoilers or things not making sense, but other things too, like in Captain Marvel seeing 90s Fury and Coulson without actually knowing who they are or why they matter, and then meeting them once you reach the phase 1 movies. I just think release order makes the most sense.

It's like, sure you could watch the Star Wars movies in chronological order, but then certain moments would rather lack impact.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on June 25, 2021, 12:21:18 PM
Yeah partly the post-credits scenes in terms of spoilers or things not making sense, but other things too, like in Captain Marvel seeing 90s Fury and Coulson without actually knowing who they are or why they matter, and then meeting them once you reach the phase 1 movies. I just think release order makes the most sense.

It's like, sure you could watch the Star Wars movies in chronological order, but then certain moments would rather lack impact.

I think for a first run, theatrical order makes sense.  If / when one wants to revisit, chronological is a cool thing to try out.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: ariich on June 25, 2021, 03:08:12 PM
Yeah partly the post-credits scenes in terms of spoilers or things not making sense, but other things too, like in Captain Marvel seeing 90s Fury and Coulson without actually knowing who they are or why they matter, and then meeting them once you reach the phase 1 movies. I just think release order makes the most sense.

It's like, sure you could watch the Star Wars movies in chronological order, but then certain moments would rather lack impact.

I think for a first run, theatrical order makes sense.  If / when one wants to revisit, chronological is a cool thing to try out.
Yeah, exactly.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on June 25, 2021, 05:05:28 PM
I think my next run through I'll do them in Alphabetical order, just because fuck it...





Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on June 25, 2021, 05:08:59 PM
I think my next run through I'll do them in Alphabetical order, just because fuck it...

Do it by alphabetical order of Stan Leeís cameo character name.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jammindude on June 25, 2021, 06:51:38 PM
There are post credit scenes after some movies that will make no sense or will be spoilers if watched out of release order, specifically Captain Marvel iirc.


That Shang Chi trailer looks fucking dope, it's a trip cause I was watching Hulk the other day and was wondering what happened to Abomination.

I canít remember if it was in agents of shield, or just a marvel one shot that happened to star agent Colson, but something involving agents of shield did mention exactly what happens to the abomination.

The Marvel One Shots are canon. Sometimes they explain nothing and they are just for fun, but at least a couple of them fill in some pretty major plot holesÖone in particular tying into the Shang-Chi film.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: ZirconBlue on June 28, 2021, 08:28:06 AM


I canít remember if it was in agents of shield, or just a marvel one shot that happened to star agent Colson, but something involving agents of shield did mention exactly what happens to the abomination.



It's an early Agents of SHIELD scene.  I just saw the scene again recently.  Coulson tells Ward if anything goes wrong he'll spend rest of career in Alaska, doing night shift on Blonsky's cryo cell.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jammindude on June 28, 2021, 08:50:45 AM


I canít remember if it was in agents of shield, or just a marvel one shot that happened to star agent Colson, but something involving agents of shield did mention exactly what happens to the abomination.



It's an early Agents of SHIELD scene.  I just saw the scene again recently.  Coulson tells Ward if anything goes wrong he'll spend rest of career in Alaska, doing night shift on Blonsky's cryo cell.


That too, but I seem to remember one with Coulson having a sit down with Sitwell (before he was revealed to be Hydra) talking about how Ross wanted the Abomination to be a part of the Avengers initiative, and they were nixing that.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on June 28, 2021, 09:46:21 AM


I canít remember if it was in agents of shield, or just a marvel one shot that happened to star agent Colson, but something involving agents of shield did mention exactly what happens to the abomination.

It's an early Agents of SHIELD scene.  I just saw the scene again recently.  Coulson tells Ward if anything goes wrong he'll spend rest of career in Alaska, doing night shift on Blonsky's cryo cell.

That too, but I seem to remember one with Coulson having a sit down with Sitwell (before he was revealed to be Hydra) talking about how Ross wanted the Abomination to be a part of the Avengers initiative, and they were nixing that.

You're thinking of the first Marvel One Shot, released with Thor, called The Consultant. It riffs off the idea that Stark was named a Consultant in Iron Man 2 by Nick Fury, rather than being an actual member of the Avenger Initiative, and so Coulson and Sitwell decide to send him in to see Ross as a patsy to botch the World Security Council's request to have Blonsky join the Avengers. Stark infuriates Ross and so he tries to have him tossed out of the bar (seen in The Incredible Hulk pre-credits scene) but Stark buys the bar, then plans to have it demolished (to spite Ross, I guess). Ross keeps Blonsky in prison, and the WSC doesn't get him on SHIELDS's team.

I just rewatched this One Shot last night before watching Thor during my MCU Rewatch, and I love how it makes sense of TIH's scene because, while the crossover cameo was awesome (since both Iron Man and TIH came out the same summer), it didn't make too much sense at the time, especially if you thought that the Hulk should be joining the Avengers, how would Ross be the one to make that happen? Either way, Iron Man 2 and this One Shot recontextualize this moment and also confirm that TIH takes place during the same week as Iron Man 2 and Thor (aka Fury's Big Week), all set during 2011 (supposedly, since when Iron Man 1 takes place has been in debate for years, especially due to Vision's line in Civil War, though one could easily toss out the whole "8 years" thing he said and de-canonize it).

I hope we find out what Blonsky has been up to since 2011, but it'll be awesome to see him again nonetheless.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Vmadera00 on June 28, 2021, 09:58:12 AM
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkteut
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on June 28, 2021, 10:07:01 AM
Somehow I missed that one - or at least, have no recollection of watching it in the first place.  Which DVD was that one on?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Vmadera00 on June 28, 2021, 10:19:40 AM
Thor's Blue ray.

https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Marvel_One-Shot:_The_Consultant
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Orbert on June 28, 2021, 10:50:56 AM
It's things like this that create IMO good reasons to watch the MCU movies in release order.  They knew that the movies were not all necessarily going to be released in chronological order, and they also knew that they wanted the movies to be connected in ways we don't understand yet.  The one-shots and mid-credits and post-credits scenes are all canon though, and if you watch all of them, you get all the pieces and (perhaps with a little help) you get the whole picture.

It's things like this that also create IMO valid reasons for watching everything in chronological order.  But to really do that properly, you would really need to include the one-shots, mid-credits, and post-credits scenes.  And that would be a serious undertaking.  I would only advise doing it that way with the assistance of someone with a complete understanding of the MCU.  At the very least, they would need to know of the existence of all of these "other" bits, and how they fit into things chronologically, so that they could guide you through the process.  I personally don't know anyone like that.  So I just watch them, and every time I watch one of those "other" bits, I learn a bit more and understand a bit more how it all fits together.  And I'm amazed again and the scope of depth of the freakin' MCU.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on June 28, 2021, 10:54:16 AM
Girlfriend and I finished Endgame last night. So we watched everything in in-universe chronology and there were no problems at all. There's no "I'm your father" moments that it ruins. It also helps that she isn't oblivious to pop culture. She knows who Nick Fury is, so seeing him in Cap Marvel first wasn't weird. Overall it went very well. It made Cap Marvel's return very cool too, since she was the 2nd movie we watched, and then didn't see her again til the post-credits of her movie which we watched after Infinity War. Made her return more epic, as opposed to "Oh yea, we just saw her and now she's back 2 minutes later but 20 something years later in universe."

Since Spider-Man 2 and the TV shows have, thus far, not referenced each other at all, I realized the order of watching these is pretty arbitrary so she chose to start with Sam and Bucky first, which shouldn't impact anything.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Orbert on June 28, 2021, 11:04:15 AM
Girlfriend and I finished Endgame last night. So we watched everything in in-universe chronology and there were no problems at all. There's no "I'm your father" moments that it ruins. It also helps that she isn't oblivious to pop culture. She knows who Nick Fury is, so seeing him in Cap Marvel first wasn't weird. Overall it went very well. It made Cap Marvel's return very cool too, since she was the 2nd movie we watched, and then didn't see her again til the post-credits of her movie which we watched after Infinity War. Made her return more epic, as opposed to "Oh yea, we just saw her and now she's back 2 minutes later but 20 something years later in universe."

Good point, and good to know that a reasonably intelligent person didn't have any problem watching them in chronological order.  No issues with the one-shots or other bits?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on June 28, 2021, 11:08:11 AM
It would be interesting to see a compilation or anthology that puts all the One-Shots and Credit scenes into an order, say on a DVD/Blu-ray, for easy in-order consumption.  I can't imagine trying to sit in my living room and watch the One-Shots and Credit scenes in context.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on June 28, 2021, 11:11:28 AM
Girlfriend and I finished Endgame last night. So we watched everything in in-universe chronology and there were no problems at all. There's no "I'm your father" moments that it ruins. It also helps that she isn't oblivious to pop culture. She knows who Nick Fury is, so seeing him in Cap Marvel first wasn't weird. Overall it went very well. It made Cap Marvel's return very cool too, since she was the 2nd movie we watched, and then didn't see her again til the post-credits of her movie which we watched after Infinity War. Made her return more epic, as opposed to "Oh yea, we just saw her and now she's back 2 minutes later but 20 something years later in universe."

Good point, and good to know that a reasonably intelligent person didn't have any problem watching them in chronological order.  No issues with the one-shots or other bits?

Honestly I completely forgot about the one-shots, so I didn't include those. We just did movies and post-credit scenes. Though the only one I can remember that I wish I showed her was the Mandarin one. That said, I doubt Marvel expects anyone to know all of those, so I'm sure it'll get discussed to a degree in Shang-Chi. Or I can simply tell her.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Vmadera00 on June 28, 2021, 11:15:01 AM
It's things like this that create IMO good reasons to watch the MCU movies in release order.  They knew that the movies were not all necessarily going to be released in chronological order, and they also knew that they wanted the movies to be connected in ways we don't understand yet.  The one-shots and mid-credits and post-credits scenes are all canon though, and if you watch all of them, you get all the pieces and (perhaps with a little help) you get the whole picture.

It's things like this that also create IMO valid reasons for watching everything in chronological order.  But to really do that properly, you would really need to include the one-shots, mid-credits, and post-credits scenes.  And that would be a serious undertaking.  I would only advise doing it that way with the assistance of someone with a complete understanding of the MCU.  At the very least, they would need to know of the existence of all of these "other" bits, and how they fit into things chronologically, so that they could guide you through the process.  I personally don't know anyone like that.  So I just watch them, and every time I watch one of those "other" bits, I learn a bit more and understand a bit more how it all fits together.  And I'm amazed again and the scope of depth of the freakin' MCU.

Referencing the site I posted earlier, they have a timeline for everything MCU.

https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline

Some things don't make a lot of sense to me but overall it gives you a sense of when things happened.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jammindude on June 28, 2021, 11:15:23 AM
Also, Slingshot was a web series that is a part of the official canon. Itís a brief detour of an adventure by ďYo-YoĒ Rodriguez that sets up one of the seasons of agents of shield. Itís short, but sweet. It never got a physical release but you can see it on YouTube. I would REALLY like to have some form of physical release of that series. Maybe I can find a bootleg comicon or some thing.

I just recently picked up all seven seasons of agents of shield on DVD and I was a bit disappointed that Slingshot wasnít included as an extra on any of them. It wouldíve been pretty easy to do. But then again, after they arrived, I began to realize that they were bootlegs.  :huh:
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on June 28, 2021, 11:28:33 AM
Regarding the canon timeline for the MCU Disney+ shows released so far, WandaVision takes place 6 weeks after Endgame, as stated in the series, with a few flashbacks between Endgame and the main part of the story. The Falcon And The Winter Soldier takes place roughly six months after Endgame, IIRC, so it occurs sometime in early 2024 (I believe Endgame was in October of 2023), so it occurs between WandaVision and Spider-Man: Far From Home. And speaking of FFH, it takes place sometime during the summer of 2024, just at the end of Peter's school year, and up to now, is the further ahead we've seen in the MCU.

And because of the time-hopping nature of Loki, it's place doesn't really matter, as long as you watch it after Endgame (for obvious reasons), but it could probably be viewed at any point between Endgame and Spider-Man: No Way Home (if it does indeed deal with multiverse timelines in a way that is similar to Loki).

And as a reminder, Black Widow will be taking place between Civil War and Infinity War, bridging the gap in those two years. The film is also expected to feature a return of Thunderbolt Ross, so between that and Abomination in Shang-Chi, we're getting at least TWO callbacks to The Incredible Hulk this year!  :tup

Also, Slingshot was a web series that is a part of the official canon. It’s a brief detour of an adventure by “Yo-Yo” Rodriguez that sets up one of the seasons of agents of shield. It’s short, but sweet. It never got a physical release but you can see it on YouTube. I would REALLY like to have some form of physical release of that series. Maybe I can find a bootleg comicon or some thing.

I just recently picked up all seven seasons of agents of shield on DVD and I was a bit disappointed that Slingshot wasn’t included as an extra on any of them. It would’ve been pretty easy to do. But then again, after they arrived, I began to realize that they were bootlegs.  :huh:

Well, as of this year, Marvel Studios still hasn't technically confirmed that Agents Of SHIELD is actual MCU canon. It could be an alternate/spin-off universe, though given what has been said in Loki, I'm not sure if that's even possible. Nothing in AOS has ever been referenced in an MCU film or TV series, and in fact, the only pre-Disney+ show to EVER get a reference in an MCU film has been Agent Carter with Howard Stark's butler, Jarvis, making a cameo in the 1970 timeline that Tony and Steve visited. Other than that, nothing that ABC, Hulu, or Netflix has produced and released is technically canon, so if you're just going to watch Canon MCU things, all you have to worry about are the currently released 23 films, the 5 Marvel One-Shots, and the currently released 3 Disney+ shows. There are also smaller bits and pieces like the WHIH News segments that led up to the release of Ant-Man (featuring Scott Lang), and maaaaaybe the Team Thor shorts, though their canonicity could be debated.

As for my MCU rewatch so far, I've gotten through most of Phase 1, and today I plan on watching Captain America: The First Avenger! Fun fact, there's a bit of the score in this film that Silvestri brings back in Endgame as the start of the "Portals" Scene. The scene in TFA is where Steve is in Italy and it's raining, there's a quiet version of the horn theme and swell that (ten years) later shows up as the start of "Portals". Brilliant moment, reflecting on Steve feeling alone at both times, but in TFA, he decides to be the rescuer, and in Endgame, is the one who is rescued. Silvestri is just a genius.

Here's the Italy score from TFA: https://youtu.be/GWKgx76t7Ko

And here is "Portals" from Endgame:
https://youtu.be/F_mhWxOjxp4

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Orbert on June 28, 2021, 02:24:50 PM
Yeah the deal with Agents of SHIELD is weird.  I don't know if I've ever read that it's not canon, but neither have I read that it is.

At the very least, it ran for seven years and starred Coulson, who is supposedly dead in the MCU.  It's probably a matter of them never specifically addressing the issue, so they can keep their options open, but Coulson was obviously very involved in the formation of The Avengers, and you'd think that if he were alive, there would be some mention somewhere in the MCU.  Hell, Fury himself guest starred on Agents of SHIELD, had actual conversations with him, as did Lady Sif and (I think) Maria Hill.  But in the MCU, not a peep.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: ZirconBlue on June 29, 2021, 07:59:44 AM
There was one oblique reference to Agents of SHIELD in Age of Ultron, when Fury references where the Helicarriers came from. 

When the TV shows were first announced, it was stated that it was all the same universe, so, in my mind, they remain cannon until  explicitly stated otherwise.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on June 29, 2021, 08:53:59 AM
Most people know the practical issues that happened--it was originally intended to be canon, but then the folks in charge of the films stopped communicating with the folks on the TV side.  And as a result, little continuity errors started to occur.  And although the TV side tried their best to drop a reference every now and then (Thanos in S6, for example), it seems like they just threw caution to the wind, completely dropped all pretense, and did whatever they wanted in S7.  I treat it like I did reading comics back in the day.  Where you have completely different writers doing different storylines in different books at different times, you are going to get some things that are inconsistent if you try to hold them up next to each other.  But you just ignore it and pretend it all works, and it's fine.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2021, 09:02:53 AM
Chiming in (and leaving so I don't get spoiled) to say that I was not much of a fan of Captain Marvel.  Found the story a bit confusing (and maybe this is due to watching in chronological order) at first but also just found it to be mostly uninteresting other than all the 90s jokes (which I did enjoy as a 90s kid). 
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on June 29, 2021, 09:39:06 AM
Chiming in (and leaving so I don't get spoiled) to say that I was not much of a fan of Captain Marvel.  Found the story a bit confusing (and maybe this is due to watching in chronological order) at first but also just found it to be mostly uninteresting other than all the 90s jokes (which I did enjoy as a 90s kid). 

Don't worry.  Although it got overall positive reviews, a good many rank it near or at the bottom in the MCU.  It definitely isn't just you.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on June 29, 2021, 09:45:57 AM
Chiming in (and leaving so I don't get spoiled) to say that I was not much of a fan of Captain Marvel.  Found the story a bit confusing (and maybe this is due to watching in chronological order) at first but also just found it to be mostly uninteresting other than all the 90s jokes (which I did enjoy as a 90s kid).

It's not a bad movie by any stretch, but it did feel a bit flat. Lots of really great moments, but overall it felt a bit misunderstood by the directors or writers. It just didn't feel like anyone had a strong handle on who the character is and therefore there was not a ton to her.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: kingshmegland on June 29, 2021, 09:55:47 AM
Plus I found Brie Larson wooden in her delivery.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on June 29, 2021, 09:58:37 AM
Plus I found Brie Larson wooden in her delivery.

I bet sheíd find you wooden at her delivery.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: kingshmegland on June 29, 2021, 10:00:15 AM
Plus I found Brie Larson wooden in her delivery.

I bet sheíd find you wooden at her delivery.

In my youth maybe. Now, I'm more of a shrubbery.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Orbert on June 29, 2021, 10:03:57 AM
There was one oblique reference to Agents of SHIELD in Age of Ultron, when Fury references where the Helicarriers came from. 

Can you elaborate?  I'm not familiar with the reference.

When the TV shows were first announced, it was stated that it was all the same universe, so, in my mind, they remain cannon until  explicitly stated otherwise.

They were definitely canon at first, but as Bosk points out, that later because difficult to keep up.

Most people know the practical issues that happened--it was originally intended to be canon, but then the folks in charge of the films stopped communicating with the folks on the TV side.  And as a result, little continuity errors started to occur.  And although the TV side tried their best to drop a reference every now and then (Thanos in S6, for example), it seems like they just threw caution to the wind, completely dropped all pretense, and did whatever they wanted in S7.  I treat it like I did reading comics back in the day.  Where you have completely different writers doing different storylines in different books at different times, you are going to get some things that are inconsistent if you try to hold them up next to each other.  But you just ignore it and pretend it all works, and it's fine.

Oh yeah, I get all that.  And really, the stuff they got into in the last couple seasons of Agents of SHIELD had almost nothing to do with events in the MCU, so it was fine anyway.  I watched the show until the end, and enjoyed it.  But the deal with Coulson still sticks out for me.  He's obviously very alive in Agents of SHIELD (then killed, then alive again, etc) but in the MCU, he was killed by Loki and never heard from again.  They've intentionally never mentioned him ever again (and of course in-universe that makes sense because he's dead.  I just wish they'd say so).
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on June 29, 2021, 10:30:35 AM
There was one oblique reference to Agents of SHIELD in Age of Ultron, when Fury references where the Helicarriers came from. 

Can you elaborate?  I'm not familiar with the reference.

IIRC, Fury gets the new helicarrier from Coulson, because by that point, all previously known helicarriers were destroyed, but I think Coulson managed to get one out to Fury just in time for the climax of AOU. It wasn't explicitly stated in the film, but if youbhad watched AOS, I believe it was brought up. I think I saw that episode but it's been YEARS since then.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on June 29, 2021, 10:36:07 AM
Yea, AOS explained where the ship came from, but the movie didn't mention it.

It's a bit like that scene in Community when Jack Black shows up and you see a bunch of old scenes where he's inserted but no one notices.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2021, 10:51:36 AM
Plus I found Brie Larson wooden in her delivery.

I bet sheíd find you wooden at her delivery.

 :rollin

Chiming in (and leaving so I don't get spoiled) to say that I was not much of a fan of Captain Marvel.  Found the story a bit confusing (and maybe this is due to watching in chronological order) at first but also just found it to be mostly uninteresting other than all the 90s jokes (which I did enjoy as a 90s kid). 

Don't worry.  Although it got overall positive reviews, a good many rank it near or at the bottom in the MCU.  It definitely isn't just you.

Yeah, my date said the same thing.  I'm not worried.  Onto Iron Man...
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 29, 2021, 11:33:20 AM
Captain Marvel is definitely in my Top 23 Marvel films.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on June 29, 2021, 11:33:45 AM
Captain Marvel is definitely in my Top 23 Marvel films.

For now.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 29, 2021, 11:36:14 AM
Captain Marvel is definitely in my Top 23 Marvel films.

For now.
True.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on June 29, 2021, 12:29:24 PM
Plus I found Brie Larson wooden in her delivery.

I bet sheíd find you wooden at her delivery.

In my youth maybe. Now, I'm more of a shrubbery.

Count me in with those that are luke warm about Brie Larson and the movie in general.    Not to be a pig, but for a superhero franchise - that is to say, tight leotards and plunging necklines - the MCU leaves a lot to be desired.  When Spider-man's aunt is in the top three or four most attractive (that is to say, dressed like an aunt and no spandex to be found), you know it's dire.

Contrast that with watching with my daughter and wife: "He's hot. No, he's hot. No, HE'S hot.  No..."  When Thor started the furnaces for Tyrion, I almost left the room.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Dream Team on June 29, 2021, 12:30:25 PM
Itís a weird thing, Brie Larson and Natalie Portman are Oscar-winners and cute as hell but something is just off . . . Hopefully Portman can remedy that in the new Thor movie.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on June 29, 2021, 12:41:54 PM
This is going to sound WAYYYYYYY harsher than I mean it to be, but Natalie Portman does nothing for me, and from an acting standpoint, she's wasted in the MCU.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Orbert on June 29, 2021, 12:59:58 PM
Yea, AOS explained where the ship came from, but the movie didn't mention it.

So it's still a one-sided love affair.  AOS drops little things that tie it to the MCU, but the MCU doesn't reciprocate.  I'm going to stand by my position that the MCU has not even referred to Coulson being dead or alive.  AOS viewers "know" where the helicarrier came from, but it's not acknowledged in the MCU.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: ariich on June 29, 2021, 01:00:25 PM
Eh, I loved the Captain Marvel movie, and I liked Larson in the role. *shrugs*
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on June 29, 2021, 02:00:05 PM
Eh, I loved the Captain Marvel movie, and I liked Larson in the role. *shrugs*

Same here. I enjoyed it enough, but for me, the film floated on the ensemble cast and didn't just rely on the titular character. Seeing younger Fury and Coulson was fantastic, and even having Talos and Ronan helped the film a bit. This was an origin and bridging-the-gap sort of film all in one, with tons of callbacks to other films in the franchise. If you're deep into MCU lore and history, there's more to appreciate but as a standalone movie with sole attention to Carol herself, I can see how many folks would feel let down by it. If it was a Phase 1 or 2 film, the script probably would've been tighter and had a stronger focus on developing Carol, rather than developing the history of the MCU.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on June 29, 2021, 02:01:03 PM
Reviews for Black Widow are starting to appear, and seem mostly positive. Very stoked to get back into an imax theater for an mcu flick.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Vmadera00 on June 29, 2021, 02:06:38 PM
Reviews for Black Widow are starting to appear, and seem mostly positive. Very stoked to get back into an imax theater for an mcu flick.

Less than 10 days ago I went to my first concert in 16 months, with more than 20K people in attendance. Yet, I don't feel ready for a movie theater  :facepalm: I really want to see this movie on the big screen but we will see.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on June 29, 2021, 02:25:40 PM
Reviews for Black Widow are starting to appear, and seem mostly positive. Very stoked to get back into an imax theater for an mcu flick.

Less than 10 days ago I went to my first concert in 16 months, with more than 20K people in attendance. Yet, I don't feel ready for a movie theater  :facepalm: I really want to see this movie on the big screen but we will see.

I survived a year working in a grocery store, that was enough covid anxiety for a lifetime.  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: ZirconBlue on June 30, 2021, 08:02:47 AM


Yea, AOS explained where the ship came from, but the movie didn't mention it.




Fury says something like "Pulled her out of mothballs with a couple old friends," while Agents of SHIELD shows that Coulson had directed resources toward rebuilding the helicarriers.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on June 30, 2021, 08:10:06 AM


Yea, AOS explained where the ship came from, but the movie didn't mention it.




Fury says something like "Pulled her out of mothballs with a couple old friends," while Agents of SHIELD shows that Coulson had directed resources toward rebuilding the helicarriers.

Yea, but I dunno. "A couple old friends" to people just watching the movie would simply mean the people currently on the ship. I get that if you watch the show too, you can be like "I bet I know who he meant!" but it's still not mentioning the show.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: ZirconBlue on June 30, 2021, 01:06:11 PM






Yea, AOS explained where the ship came from, but the movie didn't mention it.



Fury says something like "Pulled her out of mothballs with a couple old friends," while Agents of SHIELD shows that Coulson had directed resources toward rebuilding the helicarriers.

Yea, but I dunno. "A couple old friends" to people just watching the movie would simply mean the people currently on the ship. I get that if you watch the show too, you can be like "I bet I know who he meant!" but it's still not mentioning the show.






That's why I referred to it as an "oblique" reference.  Human Jarvis showing up in Endgame is the only somewhat-direct acknowledgement of any of the shows.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on June 30, 2021, 01:07:05 PM




Yea, AOS explained where the ship came from, but the movie didn't mention it.



Fury says something like "Pulled her out of mothballs with a couple old friends," while Agents of SHIELD shows that Coulson had directed resources toward rebuilding the helicarriers.

Yea, but I dunno. "A couple old friends" to people just watching the movie would simply mean the people currently on the ship. I get that if you watch the show too, you can be like "I bet I know who he meant!" but it's still not mentioning the show.



That's why I referred to it as an "oblique" reference.  Human Jarvis showing up in Endgame is the only somewhat-direct acknowledgement of any of the shows.[/size]

Indeed. And Agent Carter is listed as part of the MCU on Disney+. I don't think Agents is on Disney+, if it is, I'm not sure if it's under MCU or extended like other shows.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on June 30, 2021, 01:58:15 PM




Yea, AOS explained where the ship came from, but the movie didn't mention it.



Fury says something like "Pulled her out of mothballs with a couple old friends," while Agents of SHIELD shows that Coulson had directed resources toward rebuilding the helicarriers.

Yea, but I dunno. "A couple old friends" to people just watching the movie would simply mean the people currently on the ship. I get that if you watch the show too, you can be like "I bet I know who he meant!" but it's still not mentioning the show.



That's why I referred to it as an "oblique" reference.  Human Jarvis showing up in Endgame is the only somewhat-direct acknowledgement of any of the shows.[/size]

Indeed. And Agent Carter is listed as part of the MCU on Disney+. I don't think Agents is on Disney+, if it is, I'm not sure if it's under MCU or extended like other shows.

Well, considering that Agent Carter is a direct spin-off of the Agent Carter One-Shot, I think it's place in MCU Canon is more solid, even if it has a bit of crossover with AOS. Also, Agent Carter featured Howard Stark, and both of them had also returned in later MCU films after the series, like the 80's flash-back opening of Ant-Man. I think yo u could probably watch Agent Carter and accept it as canon without having watched any of AOS, since it's just an extension of that Marvel One-Shot, and AFAIK, all five of those short films are still canon.

And speaking of those One-Shots, I did recently learn that Item 47 was the springboard for Agents Of SHIELD, and even Titus Welliver's Agent Blake originated from that, eventually showing up in a few episodes of AOS. I think, to a point, AOS was still canon to the MCU, maybe the first two seasons, but I think because of how they handled the Inhumans and had other characters come and go, I don't think Marvel Studios will ever reference the show, though I would freak out if Mockingbird somehow makes an appearance in Hawkeye, given their relationship in the comics (though MCU Hawkeye has a wife and family, so it couldn't be more than a platonic relationship in the MCU).

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on July 02, 2021, 02:10:59 PM
Given how un-busy my summer is going to be this year, I've planned out a massive MCU re-watch starting in late June, to coincide with the release of Black Widow. Assuming the film has Thursday night preview showings on July 8th, here's what my schedule will be for the MCU re-watch, featuring just the films at the Disney+ shows:

6/24 - Iron Man
6/25 - The Incredible Hulk
6/26 - Iron Man 2
6/27 - Thor
6/28 - Captain America: The First Avenger
6/29 - Avengers
6/30 - Iron Man 3
7/1 - Thor: The Dark World
7/2 - Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 1
7/3 - Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 2
7/4 - Captain America: The Winter Soldier (Happy Independence Day!!!)
7/5 - Avengers: Age Of Ultron
7/6 - Ant-Man
7/7 - Captain America: Civil War
7/8 - Black Widow
7/9 - Black Panther
7/10 - Spider-Man: Homecoming
7/11 - Doctor Strange
7/12 - Thor: Ragnarok
7/13 - Avengers: Infinity War
7/14 - And-Man & The Wasp
7/15 - Captain Marvel
7/16 - Avengers: Endgame
7/17 - WandaVision (Episodes 1-5)
7/18 - WandaVision (Episodes 6-9)
7/19 - The Falcon And The Winter Soldier (Episodes 1-3)
7/20 - The Falcon And The Winter Soldier (Episodes 4-6)
7/21 - Spider-Man: Far From Home

And depending on the timeline of the show (which might be irrelevant), Loki might come before WandaVision, or after Spider-Man: FFH. Either way, it'll get a re-watch later this summer, definitely before What If...? starts airing, which is supposedly in August at some point.

It's been a couple of years since I've watched most of these films, back when I rewatched them all after Endgame came out, but before/during the release of Far From Home. I think I timed my rewatch schedule around the BD release of Endgame (which would've been around August 2019 I think). Of course, if I happened to have work or am busy otherwise, all dates are subject to change and shuffling, though I do want to try and catch up to Civil War by July 7th so I can be fresh for Black Widow that weekend. And if I am up for it, I'll be sure to post my thoughts on these films as I revisit them!

-Marc.

So I've gotten through the first eight films on my rewatch schedule, and so far so good! After each film, I've been working on giving them a letter-tier ranking, from S-Tier to D-Tier (though I can't really think of any film I would dislike as much, but there might be a couple of C-Tier films). Here are my rankings for the first eight I've rewatched thus far:
S-Tier: Avengers
A-Tier: Iron Man, Captain America: The First Avenger, Iron Man 2
B-Tier: Iron Man 3, Thor, The Incredible Hulk
C-Tier: Thor: The Dark World

Avengers will always be a gold-standard MCU for me, and one that is easily always rewatchable and enjoyable. I also found myself loving CA:TFA more and more with every watch, and recognizing just how great Silvestri's score for that film is, and is probably my favorite score of all of the Phase 1 films (with Avengers closely behind it).

Thor is a pretty fun film, despite it's infinite Dutch angles and Hemsworth's dyed eyebrows, both of which I was glad to see disappear for The Dark World, but the sequel just didn't have as good of a plot or villain as the first Thor. The Dark World gets a *little* better each time I watch it, but its only saving graces are Loki and Frigga. The script just didn't seem to really serve anyone else, even Thor himself, though you can sort of feel there are moments where his humorous side starts to eek out (especially him hanging Mjolnir on the coathanger, which cracks me up every time).

The Iron Man Trilogy, being the first complete trilogy in the MCU, kind of works, but given that Tony was always going to continue in the MCU, being a complete trilogy doesn't really feel right, unless you count his own personal journey of becoming more self-aware and less selfish. They tried to tie up some plot points by the end of IM3, and I like that final scene as a sort of "send off" to that as he tosses his chest arc reactor into the ocean from his destroy mansion remnants, but the trilogy just sort of feels like the first act of Tony's arc (with Age Of Ultron, Civil War, and Homecoming being the second act, and Infinity War and Endgame being his third act).

And as for The Incredible Hulk, watching it again the day after the Shang-Chi trailer dropped felt serendipitous given the reappearance of The Abomination. This Hulk film isn't AWFUL, and many fans might be surprised at how many references and revisits were made to this film later in the MCU, like how Peter Parker's teacher, played by Martin Starr, is the same kid at Culver University that Bruce Banner gives pizza to in the lab, or posters of the green soda later seen in Ant-Man, and of course, the return of Thunderbolt Ross in Civil War. It's wild to me that Ross will also be in Black Widow, and that the next MCU film is Shang-Chi, featuring Blonsky's Abomination - this doesn't feel like a coincidence AT ALL, and I feel like they're gearing it all up for She-Hulk.

Coming up this weekend will be both GOTG films, which I'm watching back to back because Volume 2 takes place only six months after Volume 1, so I'm going pseudo-chronologically (since I can't really go about watching Captain Marvel before most of these films since her tease at the end of Infinity War feels like a better set-up, and watching her film just before Endgame feels more appropriate). And ironically, my schedule allowed watching Captain America: The Winter Soldier on Independence Day, so what better way to celebrate than to watch a film about how a shadowy organization is being undermined by a terrorist group using its technology to target citizens. Woohoo!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on July 08, 2021, 09:38:03 AM
Got my Imax tickets for Black Widow on Sunday, pretty stoked to see the MCU on the really big screen again.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Orbert on July 08, 2021, 10:53:31 AM
That sounds amazing!  We expect a full report after.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on July 08, 2021, 11:00:52 AM
Seeing it Saturday.  Not Imax, but I don't see the need.  Just looking forward to being in a theater at all.  It is amazing that they have somehow stayed afloat and are able to reopen.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on July 08, 2021, 11:12:36 AM
It's just my habit to see all new MCU flicks on IMAX, also after over a year out of the theaters, I think it's warranted.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: faizoff on July 08, 2021, 11:19:52 AM
In my city the IMAX screens aren't as good as the Dolby Cinema screens. The sound is way better and immersive and every movie I've seen there has been super enjoyable.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on July 08, 2021, 12:16:32 PM
Seeing Black Widow at 5pm EST today at my Regal RPX theater. Cannot wait to see my first MCU Film in a theater in over two years! (Spider-Man Far From Home released on July 2nd 2019, so I'm sure I saw it on the 1st, so it's been 105 weeks!)

Also, my MCU Rewatch caught up to Civil War last night, so I am primed to see where Natasha goes next after Civil War!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on July 08, 2021, 12:38:51 PM
Yeah, we watched Civil War the other night to prepare as well.  I didn't really care for it much for the longest time.  It never really felt like it had any stakes.  But it has aged pretty well for me and gotten better over time.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jammindude on July 08, 2021, 01:12:30 PM
I have tickets for Saturday afternoon! I canít wait!
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on July 08, 2021, 01:22:12 PM
Yeah, we watched Civil War the other night to prepare as well.  I didn't really care for it much for the longest time.  It never really felt like it had any stakes.  But it has aged pretty well for me and gotten better over time.

Civil War was one of the few MCU films I caught twice in theaters, and deservedly so. For me, it gets better every time I rewatch it and I think last night was probably the 6th or 7th time I've seen it, and it continues to impress me how the Russos managed to make a film that was a follow-up to The Winter Soldier AND Age Of Ultron, bring back characters like Thunderbolt Ross and Ant-Man, and introduce Black Panther AND Spider-Man, all in the same film. At first glance, one might think it would be a bloated mess, but I think they balanced everything fairly well, giving us just enough of Peter Parker and T'Challa for their first go in the MCU, a taste of what the Post-Ultron Avengers have been up to, and bringing in every Avenger that was present on Earth at the time. I love that, conveniently, Thor and Hulk are absent, because if either of them were there, the battle at the airport would have been severely lopsided. It felt like everything just fell into place for both sides to be fairly evenly matched.

I also love that this film doesn't end on a happy note, and that the villain not only lived to fight another day, but succeeded in his plans to tear the Avengers apart, which in turn meant their defeat at the hands of Thanos in Infinity War. There's a very fun through-line to follow back from Thanos' victory back to Zemo's victory, which goes back to Tony's failure with Ultron, which was created as a result of The Battle Of New York (which was indirectly caused by Thanos giving Loki the Mind Stone scepter to try and rule Earth, but also get the Space Stone Tesseract). Thanos basically secured his victory through a long series of events by giving Loki the chance to conquer Earth, even if things didn't go to plan (if Loki had been successful, gotten the Tesseract, and given it to Thanos, the snap/blip probably would've happened a lot sooner).

And speaking of possible scenarios... Marvel Studios' What If...? Trailer dropped today, and will premiere on August 11th! From what I recall, the first season will be 10 episodes, with a second season of 10 more episodes to follow-up, probably next year between other Disney+ series. This also probably means the next Disney+ series (be it Hawkeye or Ms. Marvel) probably won't air til mid-to-late October.

I'm loving all of the possibilities of What If...?, including what seems to be Chadwick Boseman's final performance as T'Challa, taking on the role of Star-Lord (instead of Peter Quill).

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on July 08, 2021, 01:52:21 PM
...if Loki had been successful, gotten the Tesseract, and given it to Thanos, the snap/blip probably would've happened a lot sooner

And kind of mindblowing to think about, but Wanda and Vision would not have been created, Wakanda would not have been involved, etc.  And if the snap happens earlier, there is no way Stark and Strange are together, which enables Strange to bargain for Stark's life.  There are a lot of things that happened as a result of the way NY went that allowed the turnaround in Endgame. 
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: DoctorAction on July 08, 2021, 04:15:57 PM
Rewatched Cap The Winter Soldier tonight. Dug it less than I thought I would, tbh. Bit messy.

GOTG, Ultron and Ant Man are up next whenever I get around to it. And GOTG is the start of that really great stretch of MCU films up to where we are now.

But hey, the MAIN event will be watching BW on Disney+ over the weekend.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on July 08, 2021, 04:38:40 PM
jingle.son and I are loading it up on D+ at 7:30am tomorrow morning, before he goes to work.  I'll post a synopsis here (just for Marc by 10am).  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on July 08, 2021, 04:57:44 PM
Not in this thread.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on July 08, 2021, 05:06:53 PM
It's just my habit to see all new MCU flicks on IMAX, also after over a year out of the theaters, I think it's warranted.

Got tickets to see it in IMAX with my lady Saturday afternoon. Sheís getting nervous about the delta variant though so thereís an unfortunate chance we might do it in D+ instead. Lame but hopefully we can see it in theaters instead.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on July 08, 2021, 08:21:49 PM
Not in this thread.

I'm going to start a dedicated Black Widow Thread. Would it be cool if that was to include spoilers, since we have this General MCU Thread for no recent spoilers?

I saw the movie earlier, and I feel the need to talk about it!  :lol

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on July 08, 2021, 09:30:42 PM
Not in this thread.

I'm going to start a dedicated Black Widow Thread. Would it be cool if that was to include spoilers, since we have this General MCU Thread for no recent spoilers?

I saw the movie earlier, and I feel the need to talk about it!  :lol

-Marc.

Of course you can have spoilers.  You don't need permission for that.  :lol  We've just agreed to keep this thread spoiler free for a short time after something airs.  If you want to start a spoiler thread to discuss, have at it.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: ariich on July 08, 2021, 11:49:33 PM
Of course you can have spoilers.  You don't need permission for that.  :lol  We've just agreed to keep this thread spoiler free for a short time after something airs.  If you want to start a spoiler thread to discuss, have at it.
Yeah this. I feel like we keep having the same conversation every few weeks. :lol

Individual dedicated threads = spoilerpocalypse.
This thread = no recent spoilers, per the title.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on July 09, 2021, 04:50:42 AM
Geez, lighten up... I was just razzin.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Vmadera00 on July 09, 2021, 09:19:58 AM
Black Widow tickets for Sunday at 11am, just have to avoid spoilers for the next 2 days, shouldn't be too hard right?  :corn
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on July 09, 2021, 09:41:39 AM
Honestly, with the one off nature of the film, I'm not to concerned about spoilers, there's no real timeline to bust like in the tv shows or like we had rolling towards the end of the Infinity saga.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: soupytwist on July 19, 2021, 12:11:28 PM
I rewatched the whole lot last year on furlough and did a list, here it is with added Widow.

1. Infinity War.
2. Cap America : Civil War.
3. Endgame.
4. Cap America : Winter Soldier.
5. Avengers
6. Guardian of the Galaxy.
7. Spider-man Homecoming.
8. Avengers : Ultron
9. Iron Man 3.
10. Ant-Man.
11. Captain Marvel.
12. Iron Man
13. Thor 1.
14, Black Panther.
15. Captain American 1
16. Thor : Ragnarok.
17. Guardians of the Galaxy 2.
18. BLACK WIDOW.
19. Spider-Man : Far From Home.
20. Doctor Strange
21. Ant-Man and Wasp.
22 Thor 2.
23. The Incredible Hulk.
24. Iron Man 2

I know she will complain about Ragnorok so low, and I accept that is probably the one I'm furthest away from general consensus.

Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: cramx3 on July 19, 2021, 12:44:48 PM
Watched Iron Man last weekend, thought it was pretty solid.  I may have liked Captain America 1 a bit more, but both were much better than Captain Marvel IMO.  Looks like we are onto Iron Man 2 next, not sure when we will watch, maybe in the next week. 
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Vmadera00 on July 19, 2021, 12:49:28 PM
I don't have a problem with Ragnarok being so low in your list. For me, the movie quality in the MCU is so good that I consider all but 3 movies, to be in the "good" to "great" categories. Those 3 movies excluded I consider them average (not bad).
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on July 19, 2021, 02:40:18 PM
I gotta do a list, I've seen each movie enough times (aside from Black Widow) to do it justly.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on July 19, 2021, 03:06:03 PM
I don't know that I can.  How do I rank the GOTG1 vs. GOTG2?  Just put them consecutive and "1" first because it came first?   Who knows?   

I do know that some are higher than others.  I like the Spider-Man film a lot, I liked the second Iron Man a lot.  I didn't go gaga over Black Panther.   I thought Ant-Man was amusing for a while.  I LOVED Dr. Strange....
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 19, 2021, 03:12:39 PM
Here is my ranking.

Avengers: Infinity War
Avengers: Endgame
The Avengers
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Captain America: Civil War
Iron Man
Black Panther
Thor: Ragnarok
Captain America: The First Avenger
Ant-Man
Guardians of the Galaxy
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Iron Man 3
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Doctor Strange
Black Widow
Spider-Man: Far From Home
Ant-Man and The Wasp
Thor
Captain Marvel
The Incredible Hulk
Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2
Iron Man 2
Thor: The Dark World
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on July 19, 2021, 03:30:26 PM
So I'm nearing the end of my massive month-long MCU Rewatch marathon, and I've rewatched the first 22 films, WandaVision, and now I'm in the middle of TFATWS. After that will be Spider-Man: Far From Home (the last film chronologically speaking, which also takes place after WV and TFATWS). As I've rewatched each film, I've placed them in different tiers, but haven't quite nailed down a ranking as of yet, so I'll try that here (minus SM:FFH, but I'll update this post once I've watched it again later this week).

S-Tier:
Avengers: Endgame & Avengers: Infinity War (these are both so good, they practically tie for first place for me)
Avengers (Assemble)
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Captain America: Civil War
Thor: Ragnarok

A-Tier:
Iron Man
Captain America: The First Avenger
Black Panther
Spider-Man: Homecoming & Far From Home (tied)
Doctor Strange
Avengers: Age Of Ultron
Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 1 & Vol 2 (They're tied for me)
Ant-Man
Iron Man 2
Captain Marvel

B-Tier:
Ant-Man And The Wasp
Iron Man 3
Thor
Black Widow
The Incredible Hulk

C-Tier:
Thor: The Dark World

As for the three Disney+ shows, Loki barely edged out WandaVision for the top spot, but both are A-Tier, and TFATWS is below those two in B-Tier (which is probably where I feel it will remain as I run through it again, great action and fun dynamic between Sam and Bucky, but a neutered villain plot and what they did with Sharon kind of soured some of the show for me, but it had Zemo and introduced Isaiah Bradley, as well as the Dora Milaje, so credit where credit is due). I'm looking forward to everything else in the pipeline for Disney+ though, especially Hawkeye, Moon Knight, and She-Hulk.

If I had to think where I'd put Far From Home, it would probably be mid A-Tier for me, perhaps just under Homecoming or AOU. Guess we'll see!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on July 19, 2021, 08:44:49 PM
Ok, here goes...

Infinity War
Avengers
Endgame
Spiderman- Homecoming
Guardians of the Galaxy
Captain America- Winter Soldier
Avengers- Age of Ultron
Iron Man
Captain America- Civil War
Guardians of the Galaxy 2
Ant Man
Iron Man 2
Thor
Black Panther
Thor- Ragnorok
Spiderman- Far from Home
Dr. Strange
Incredible Hulk
Black Widow
Captain America- First Avenger
Captain Marvel
Ant Man and the Wasp
Iron Man 3
Thor 2- Dark World
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: soupytwist on July 20, 2021, 05:29:39 AM
Infinity War is my number one - but in a way it has an unfair advantage, it doesn't have to end with a victory.  Sitting in the cinema watching this for the first time, when the dusting happened.....I mean that was just something else.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on July 20, 2021, 06:34:25 AM
Ok, here goes...

Infinity War
Endgame
Avengers
Captain America- Civil War
Captain America- Winter Soldier
Spiderman- Homecoming
Iron Man
Avengers- Age of Ultron
Guardians of the Galaxy
Thor- Ragnorok
Black Panther
Thor
Dr. Strange
Black Widow
Spiderman- Far from Home
Guardians of the Galaxy 2
Incredible Hulk
Iron Man 3
Ant Man
Captain America- First Avenger
Captain Marvel
Ant Man and the Wasp
Iron Man 2
Thor 2- Dark World

Close enough for jazz.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on July 20, 2021, 07:04:03 PM
So it seems Ms. Marvel and Hawkeye will be on Disney + in 2021. This might be a bit much. 4 movies and (counting in head) 6 shows in one year?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: kingshmegland on July 20, 2021, 07:11:55 PM
Sorry Adami.  My body is ready. Their was a gap because of the pandemic. 
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on July 20, 2021, 07:26:04 PM
So it seems Ms. Marvel and Hawkeye will be on Disney + in 2021. This might be a bit much. 4 movies and (counting in head) 6 shows in one year?

Well, given that half of what we're getting this year was supposed to happen last year, I don't mind, and it doesn't bother me. Sure, it creates a bit of a saturation if you're into all of it, and it kind of creates an expectation of having new MCU content nearly every month, but I think they're really going all in with it now considering how many more movies and TV shows are coming in the next few years.

And if you really think about it, from Black Widow (July 2021) to Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (July 2022), we are getting SEVEN MCU films within a single year, which is a record. It used to be five, between GOTG Vol. 2 and Infinity War (or Homecoming and Ant-Man And The Wasp).

So with four films in 2021, four in 2022, and five in 2023, it doesn't seem like the film side of Marvel Studios will be slowing down. And as far as Disney+ shows go, we've got at least 3 shows next year (Moon Knight, She-Hulk, Secret Invasion) and the GOTG Holiday Special, and beyond all of that, sequels to Loki and What If...?, a spin-off from Hawkeye featuring Echo, as well as Ironheart, Armor Wars (feat. War Machine), and an untitled Wakanda series, and I'm willing to bet all of that will be out by the end of 2023 or early 2024.

Phase four is PACKED. I don't think we'll get to the point of hero-fatigue, especially if these films and shows continue to be diverse in characters, genre, and filmmaking. This year alone, we've got a spy thriller, a martial arts action fantasy, a sprawling sci-fi adventure, and a bonkers multiversal crossover. Despite being all MCU films, they all feel largely unique from each other. And next year's films are all sequels, but they all seem highly anticipated, especially since they've been 3-6 years in the waiting!

You could probably say the same for the Disney+ shows, though I'd say WandaVision and Loki are probably about as similar to each other as TFATWS and Hawkeye might be, with Ms. Marvel being an outlier. And the ones coming later are sounding like they'll be quite different from each other as well. With She-Hulk reportedly being more comedic in nature.

Sorry Adami.  My body is ready. Their was a gap because of the pandemic. 

I am totally ready as well. The two-year gap between films was unbearable, and I'm glad we got WandaVision and TFATWS before Black Widow to help tide us over between the MCU returned to theaters, but that was the longest gap between MCU films since The Incredible Hulk and Iron Man 2 were released. Needless to say, I was starved for a new MCU film, and I'm glad we're getting the glutton's share in the coming years!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: DoctorAction on July 21, 2021, 05:58:27 AM
Keep 'em coming.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 21, 2021, 08:42:54 AM
Bring it on
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on July 21, 2021, 08:47:01 AM
Bring it on

And I get that. I'm a huge Marvel fan, obviously. I just wouldn't want it to become cheap. When something is SO abundant, it often becomes less special. It just becomes another thing, which I'd hate. I wouldn't want the MCU to become the next CSI or NCIS franchise. There's always a few of those around and for the most part no one cares.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on July 21, 2021, 08:53:30 AM
Bring it on

And I get that. I'm a huge Marvel fan, obviously. I just wouldn't want it to become cheap. When something is SO abundant, it often becomes less special. It just becomes another thing, which I'd hate. I wouldn't want the MCU to become the next CSI or NCIS franchise. There's always a few of those around and for the most part no one cares.

Well, how different are those procedural shows from each other? Seems like the strengths of those shows might be characters that you get to know as they solve each case, but that could get repetitive and predictable.

Each Disney+ show will be featuring different, and eventually all-new characters to the MCU,  with different stories and developments. I think seeing new characters and stories will keep these shows fresh. We've never gotten live action versions of Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, She-Hulk, or Iron Heart, so there are a lot of fresh ideas coming down the pipeline.

I think it does the MCU a disservice if someone just lumps all these shows and films under the broad umbrella of "comic book" media when they can all be quite different from each other.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on July 21, 2021, 09:09:05 AM
Bring it on

And I get that. I'm a huge Marvel fan, obviously. I just wouldn't want it to become cheap. When something is SO abundant, it often becomes less special. It just becomes another thing, which I'd hate. I wouldn't want the MCU to become the next CSI or NCIS franchise. There's always a few of those around and for the most part no one cares.

Well, how different are those procedural shows from each other? Seems like the strengths of those shows might be characters that you get to know as they solve each case, but that could get repetitive and predictable.

Each Disney+ show will be featuring different, and eventually all-new characters to the MCU,  with different stories and developments. I think seeing new characters and stories will keep these shows fresh. We've never gotten live action versions of Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, She-Hulk, or Iron Heart, so there is a lot of fresh ideas coming down the pipeline.

I think it does the MCU a disservice if someone just lumps all these shows and films under the broad umbrella of "comic book" media when they can all be quite different from each other.

-Marc.

If the MCU could create a Gil Grissom or a Leroy Jethro Gibbs, I would be impressed.  :).   


(I'm kidding; in a way, that's Tony Stark, but only tangentially.)
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on July 21, 2021, 09:42:49 AM
Bring it on

And I get that. I'm a huge Marvel fan, obviously. I just wouldn't want it to become cheap. When something is SO abundant, it often becomes less special. It just becomes another thing, which I'd hate. I wouldn't want the MCU to become the next CSI or NCIS franchise. There's always a few of those around and for the most part no one cares.

Well, how different are those procedural shows from each other? Seems like the strengths of those shows might be characters that you get to know as they solve each case, but that could get repetitive and predictable.

Each Disney+ show will be featuring different, and eventually all-new characters to the MCU,  with different stories and developments. I think seeing new characters and stories will keep these shows fresh. We've never gotten live action versions of Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, She-Hulk, or Iron Heart, so there is a lot of fresh ideas coming down the pipeline.

I think it does the MCU a disservice if someone just lumps all these shows and films under the broad umbrella of "comic book" media when they can all be quite different from each other.

-Marc.

I hope so. I know I'm on board with it all. I'd just hate it to see it fade from societal awareness due to oversaturation.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jammindude on July 21, 2021, 09:49:58 AM
Iím going to beat this drum againÖ.

So far, they have stuck to comic book style of storytelling in their overarching universe. The comic books remained popular over the years because there were different writers telling different stories about different characters, but ultimately tying into the framework of a singular universe. Thereís enough diversity in that approach that has allowed comic books to remain relevant for decades. MCU could have the same success with the same diversified approach.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on July 21, 2021, 09:57:29 AM
Iím going to beat this drum againÖ.

So far, they have stuck to comic book style of storytelling in their overarching universe. The comic books remained popular over the years because there were different writers telling different stories about different characters, but ultimately tying into the framework of a singular universe. Thereís enough diversity in that approach that has allowed comic books to remain relevant for decades. MCU could have the same success with the same diversified approach.

Well yes and no. First, movies are a different medium and beast all together. It costs hundreds of millions of dollars to make each one of these movies (or so). It takes (I'm guessing) less than that to make a comic book. So if a comic doesn't sell, no one cares much. Also they can produce a new issue of a title every week. It's a different way of telling a story. Each movie is not like an issue. Each movie is like a big story that is the culmination of many issues in a sense.

Also the comic industry has survived......barely....but each title has not. When X-Men or Avengers or whatever gets oversaturated, sales decline and they retool it. They either stop producing them for a while or they reboot in a sense. Can't really do that with the movies.

So as much as I hope and believe the MCU will continue for a good long while, it's not fair to say that it'll work because it worked with comics.

I feel like this is making me look anti-MCU when I am clearly not. I just worry since I DO want this stuff around for a long time. Over saturation can kill anything, even the really good stuff.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jammindude on July 21, 2021, 10:06:46 AM
If itís not a matter of just copying comic books. I specifically use the term ďcomic book style of storytellingď for a very specific purpose. I wish I could quantify it a little bit better. Combination of content and structure and style and approach. No comic book movie has ever done this until the MCU did.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on July 21, 2021, 10:08:53 AM
If itís not a matter of just copying comic books. I specifically use the term ďcomic book style of storytellingď for a very specific purpose. I wish I could quantify it a little bit better. Combination of content and structure and style and approach. No comic book movie has ever done this until the MCU did.

I agree. Like I said, there CAN be too much of a good thing. Over-saturation does hurt good products. MCU is a fantastic thing. Hopefully they continue to be awesome. I just worry that so much of it will hurt them. Hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Vmadera00 on July 21, 2021, 10:22:58 AM
I understand what Adami is saying. The MCU kept getting bigger and bigger up until culminating phase 3 with Infinity world and Endgame. At the same time, there were a lot of people (some that I knew personally) who did not bother watching anything on phase 3 because "it was too many movies to keep track of". Others were just done with the super hero stories (even if each character was different).

With the way the MCU opened up so many possibilities now, and with so many shows and movies to keep track of, I can see a good amount of people being turned off by it. That, on top of the fact that I'm sure many fans dropped out after phase 3 and won't follow the upcoming movies and shows.

I think Marvel will need to come up with a Thanos like villain/event to bring back a lot of the hype and crowd that was lost after endgame.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: soupytwist on July 21, 2021, 11:15:39 AM
If itís not a matter of just copying comic books. I specifically use the term ďcomic book style of storytellingď for a very specific purpose. I wish I could quantify it a little bit better. Combination of content and structure and style and approach. No comic book movie has ever done this until the MCU did.

I agree. Like I said, there CAN be too much of a good thing. Over-saturation does hurt good products. MCU is a fantastic thing. Hopefully they continue to be awesome. I just worry that so much of it will hurt them. Hope I'm wrong.

Hopefully MCU won't produce anything as shite as Enterprise and kill the franchise stone dead for a decade  ;D  :xbones  :rollin


Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 21, 2021, 12:17:41 PM
"Too much of a good thing" only exists in imaginative wordplay.  I've never really seen it in real life.

If something fails because there is too much of it and it is seen as "oversaturated", it's because it stopped being good, at least to its former level.  It becomes too much of an "OK" thing, or too much of a thing that won't be an issue if I miss it.  That's not too much of a good thing.  There's no such thing as too much of a good thing.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on July 21, 2021, 01:59:42 PM
"Too much of a good thing" only exists in imaginative wordplay.  I've never really seen it in real life.

If something fails because there is too much of it and it is seen as "oversaturated", it's because it stopped being good, at least to its former level.  It becomes too much of an "OK" thing, or too much of a thing that won't be an issue if I miss it.  That's not too much of a good thing.  There's no such thing as too much of a good thing.

I agree with this very much - isn't that what happened to the Spaghetti Western? I've seen a lot of critics point to that genre of film from the 50s and 60s and say that the superhero genre of films would eventually come to an end much like the Spaghetti Western, though I've not read much about those films to know to what extent their demise in Hollywood and the film industry was attributed to oversaturation, or if it was because the genre had been played out to its natural end.

I do agree that there is enough storytelling diversity in comic book films that it might not end the same way. If the MCU's die-hard fans begin to feel exhausted with the sheer amount of media being released, then I would begin to worry, but it feels like we are reaching a Golden Age of the MCU now, and it doesn't seem like any fans are jumping ship any faster than they have been in recent years. I'd argue that Disney+ probably brought some of those folks back, especially if they already had the streaming service for other things. And now that these series are being prepped by the films, and vice versa, there's an incentive to keep up with everything and staying informed by all the stories from both fronts.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on July 21, 2021, 02:11:59 PM
I don't fear over-saturation.  I mean, given the variety of styles we've seen (in story-telling, genres, character development, cinematography), and the virtual limitless swath of characters / teams to draw from, to me it's like being worried that sci-fi movies will go out of style due to saturation.

That's just me.  Deplorable me.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on July 21, 2021, 02:19:54 PM
"Too much of a good thing" only exists in imaginative wordplay.  I've never really seen it in real life.

If something fails because there is too much of it and it is seen as "oversaturated", it's because it stopped being good, at least to its former level.  It becomes too much of an "OK" thing, or too much of a thing that won't be an issue if I miss it.  That's not too much of a good thing.  There's no such thing as too much of a good thing.

This only applies to you. No such thing as too much Hef.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 21, 2021, 03:03:58 PM
"Too much of a good thing" only exists in imaginative wordplay.  I've never really seen it in real life.

If something fails because there is too much of it and it is seen as "oversaturated", it's because it stopped being good, at least to its former level.  It becomes too much of an "OK" thing, or too much of a thing that won't be an issue if I miss it.  That's not too much of a good thing.  There's no such thing as too much of a good thing.

This only applies to you. No such thing as too much Hef.
I love you too, pal.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: kingshmegland on July 22, 2021, 07:07:00 AM
You two get an alternate universe will ya?!
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on July 22, 2021, 07:37:00 AM
You two get an alternate universe will ya?!

You should see what our variants are doing!





Anywho, who do you all think will be on this new "dark" Avengers roster that Julia Louise Dreyfus is clearly putting together? She has her new Cap and her Black Widow. Do you think you'll try to get a new Iron Man during Armor Wars? How else is she going to put this team together?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: kingshmegland on July 22, 2021, 07:51:59 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on July 22, 2021, 09:39:24 AM
Anywho, who do you all think will be on this new "dark" Avengers roster that Julia Louise Dreyfus is clearly putting together? She has her new Cap and her Black Widow. Do you think you'll try to get a new Iron Man during Armor Wars? How else is she going to put this team together?

Zemo seems like fair game, since he is headed to the Raft.  Abomination maybe?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on July 22, 2021, 09:42:33 AM
Anywho, who do you all think will be on this new "dark" Avengers roster that Julia Louise Dreyfus is clearly putting together? She has her new Cap and her Black Widow. Do you think you'll try to get a new Iron Man during Armor Wars? How else is she going to put this team together?

Zemo seems like fair game, since he is headed to the Raft.  Abomination maybe?

I have no idea how I didn't think Abomination. Good call!

As for Zemo, I dunno. The Dark Avengers in the comics were mirrors of the good ones for the most part. Seems (so far) to be the same here. A new Cap, a new Widow. Abomination would be a good Hulk. She'd want an Iron Man, Hawkeye and Thor type though. At least.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on July 22, 2021, 10:26:57 AM
Anywho, who do you all think will be on this new "dark" Avengers roster that Julia Louise Dreyfus is clearly putting together? She has her new Cap and her Black Widow. Do you think you'll try to get a new Iron Man during Armor Wars? How else is she going to put this team together?

Zemo seems like fair game, since he is headed to the Raft.  Abomination maybe?

I have no idea how I didn't think Abomination. Good call!

As for Zemo, I dunno. The Dark Avengers in the comics were mirrors of the good ones for the most part. Seems (so far) to be the same here. A new Cap, a new Widow. Abomination would be a good Hulk. She'd want an Iron Man, Hawkeye and Thor type though. At least.

Hawkeye's daughter?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on July 22, 2021, 10:29:18 AM
Anywho, who do you all think will be on this new "dark" Avengers roster that Julia Louise Dreyfus is clearly putting together? She has her new Cap and her Black Widow. Do you think you'll try to get a new Iron Man during Armor Wars? How else is she going to put this team together?

Zemo seems like fair game, since he is headed to the Raft.  Abomination maybe?

I have no idea how I didn't think Abomination. Good call!

As for Zemo, I dunno. The Dark Avengers in the comics were mirrors of the good ones for the most part. Seems (so far) to be the same here. A new Cap, a new Widow. Abomination would be a good Hulk. She'd want an Iron Man, Hawkeye and Thor type though. At least.

Yeah, but the MCU has deviated from the comics in a lot of ways.  And I think having a direct analogue to each original Avenger would come across onscreen as pretty cheesy and might be offputting.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on July 22, 2021, 10:41:43 AM
Well yea. Nothing about these dark avengers would be in line with the comics. I just meant the general theme. I doubt theyíll follow it exactly but they have for the first two so I assume they might for at last the iron man version since we have armor wars coming up anyway.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on July 22, 2021, 01:44:17 PM
I think if we get one villain for each original Avengers, that might be OK, but it would be a bit hokey. I'd be fine with USAgent, Yelena Belova, and Abomination at least, but let's see other villains come back that didn't die....like, uhm... Hmmm. Zemo? And Mordo! How about Ghost, she's still gotta be alive even after the Blip.

I do wonder, if Valentina is working for Ross and we get a team of anti-heroes as the Thunderbolts, named after General "Thunderbolt" Ross. It didn't happen like that in the comics but it would be a neat way to work that out in context of the MCU, and it gives us a reason to see Ross eventually become Red Hulk, if William Hurt is up for it, though I understand he's not as spry and young as he used to be, though someone younger could do the on-set mocap and he could just be the face/voice for Red Hulk.

It seems like the MCU is gearing up towards both a new Avengers team and/or the Young Avengers, and some sort of anti-Avengers team (Dark Avengers or Thunderbolts). I think if we get both or all of these teams, it would be neat to see them all have to team-up in a sort of Secret War(s) battle against a villain like Doom or Kang. Seems like the best way to one-up a climax like Endgame, especially if the X-Men and Fantastic Four are also involved. Then again, they could do the Onslaught storyline and I would die happy, and that would give them a good reason to reboot Avengers characters with new actors if they so choose.

Also, I'm still wondering if they're going to do an A-Force film once She-Hulk gets off the ground? Would love to see her, Captain Marvel, Rescue, Wasp, Sif, and maybe a couple more in a film together!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: cramx3 on July 27, 2021, 12:17:19 PM
Watched Iron Man 2 over the weekend in our chronological order of movies, and my first watch of these... and this may have been my least favorite so far. I struggled to stay awake. What a let down after I really enjoyed the first Iron Man.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Orbert on July 27, 2021, 01:49:55 PM
Iron Man 2 seems to be ranked pretty low amongst everyone I know who's into the MCU, so you're not alone.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on July 27, 2021, 01:51:52 PM
Indeed, which is a shame cause it has some great stuff in it.

Micky Rourke was a pretty cool villain that they just gave...very little to do.

Justin Hammer is pretty universally liked in that movie as well.

But yea, the plot was WAY too muddled and thin. I think a much more focused script would've made it a much better movie.

Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 28, 2021, 03:00:27 PM
Indeed, which is a shame cause it has some great stuff in it.

Micky Rourke was a pretty cool villain that they just gave...very little to do.

Justin Hammer is pretty universally liked in that movie as well.

But yea, the plot was WAY too muddled and thin. I think a much more focused script would've made it a much better movie.
Justin Hammer was awesome, and I hope to see him again.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Orbert on July 28, 2021, 03:29:32 PM
Sam Rockwell is awesome.  I can't think of a single role I've seen him in where I didn't think he was awesome, and Justin Hammer is certainly one of them.  But I thought the character of Justin Hammer was a smarmy idiot, and meant to be that way.  Hell, even the name "Justin" is one I associate with smarmy Gen-X (or -Y or whatever) dickheads, be that fair or not.  Well-developed character, awesome portrayal, but I'd be fine never seeing him again.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on July 28, 2021, 03:36:11 PM
Indeed, which is a shame cause it has some great stuff in it.

Micky Rourke was a pretty cool villain that they just gave...very little to do.

Justin Hammer is pretty universally liked in that movie as well.

But yea, the plot was WAY too muddled and thin. I think a much more focused script would've made it a much better movie.
Justin Hammer was awesome, and I hope to see him again.

I keep hoping and waiting to hear that he'll be added to the cast of Armor Wars. It would be fitting since Iron Man 2 was the first film with Don Cheadle as Rhodey, so seeing Sam Rockwell back from that film would be a treat because you KNOW Hammer Industries continued trying to rip off Tony's tech after the events of Iron Man 2 in 2010. It's been 14 years in-universe, so I'm sure there's a lot they could do to incorporate Justin Hammer back into the MCU via Armor Wars. I want to know if he got out of prison (as seen in the All Hail The King MCU One-Shot), and if so, what has he been up to since then!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: MinistroRaven on July 29, 2021, 11:13:58 AM
Shang Chi new trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COGg-Vjauwo&t
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on July 29, 2021, 11:49:30 AM
The Disney+ series Hawkeye will be premiering on November 24th.

https://twitter.com/MarvelStudios/status/1420761030704173056?s=19

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 29, 2021, 12:21:55 PM
Nice
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: ZirconBlue on July 30, 2021, 11:06:04 AM


The Disney+ series Hawkeye will be premiering on November 24th.

https://twitter.com/MarvelStudios/status/1420761030704173056?s=19 (https://twitter.com/MarvelStudios/status/1420761030704173056?s=19)

-Marc.



I'm really looking forward to this, as it is based on an amazing Matt Fraction/David Aja comics run.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on July 30, 2021, 12:22:46 PM
Honestly, I think I'm most excited for What If?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on August 01, 2021, 10:22:24 PM
Honestly, I think I'm most excited for What If?

Preliminary reviews for it are very, very strong.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on August 04, 2021, 11:20:18 PM
https://www.royalstondesign.com/marvel-mcu-vhs-series

I found this artist a few months ago on Twitter, and his designs for MCU VHS covers are extraordinary. I've been using them as my phone backgrounds for over a month now (using an app that cycles through all of them).

He's also made new ones for Black Widow and the 3 currently released Disney+ shows.
https://twitter.com/RoyalstonDesign/status/1415736353745158149?s=19

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on August 05, 2021, 06:01:32 AM
SO I finally watched Endgame last night (well, I finished it last night; we watched it over two nights).   I'm not sure what to make of it.  I think I have to watch it again.

I will say this: I don't like when main characters, the "title hero", dies.  I get people have to die, but I am so used to suspending the "arc of life" with comic books that it's jarring when someone that is a main character, dies. 

And minor point, but if I was Brie Larsen I would have written that haircut out of my contract.   :tdwn
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Post by: Vmadera00 on August 05, 2021, 07:18:34 PM
SO I finally watched Endgame last night (well, I finished it last night; we watched it over two nights).   I'm not sure what to make of it.  I think I have to watch it again.

I will say this: I don't like when main characters, the "title hero", dies.  I get people have to die, but I am so used to suspending the "arc of life" with comic books that it's jarring when someone that is a main character, dies. 

And minor point, but if I was Brie Larsen I would have written that haircut out of my contract.   :tdwn

Yeah IW and Endgame are movies that pay off to watch them twice.

Interested in knowing your thoughts regarding what they did with Thor.
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Post by: Stadler on August 06, 2021, 05:44:42 AM
SO I finally watched Endgame last night (well, I finished it last night; we watched it over two nights).   I'm not sure what to make of it.  I think I have to watch it again.

I will say this: I don't like when main characters, the "title hero", dies.  I get people have to die, but I am so used to suspending the "arc of life" with comic books that it's jarring when someone that is a main character, dies. 

And minor point, but if I was Brie Larsen I would have written that haircut out of my contract.   :tdwn

Yeah IW and Endgame are movies that pay off to watch them twice.

Interested in knowing your thoughts regarding what they did with Thor.

Hated it.   Thor is one of my favorite characters and I think that "twist" removed what I love most about him:  He's a leader, but not really.  He's a god, but not really.  He's smart, but not really.   He's all these things that are sort of a contradiction, and in that last movie it just seemed he was pure comedic relief.

Where I sit right now, I liked Infinity War WAY better than Endgame.   I will absolutely watch it again, though.   One little thing I did like:  when Tony did the snap and Thanos looked around and just sat down knowing it was over, Johnny.  It's over.  I thought that was so subtle and yet so powerful.

One other thing:  I wish I felt more empathy with Nebula.   She was such a main character in the movie but I just didn't connect, really.   
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 06, 2021, 05:58:28 AM
Regarding Thor, I wasnít too impressed at first, but ultimately thought it was brilliant. It just showed heís ďhumanĒ.  Lost his dad ... mom murdered... brother murdered who heíd just reconciled with... best friend murdered .... the Warriors 3 murdered by his sister .... homeland obliterated... everyone on the refugee ship killed .... and then in the final moment to save 1/2 the universe, he fucks it up.  Falling into the deepest depression where nothing meaningful matters is totally understandable, imo.
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Post by: Adami on August 06, 2021, 06:05:57 AM
Regarding Thor, I wasnít too impressed at first, but ultimately thought it was brilliant. It just showed heís ďhumanĒ.  Lost his dad ... mom murdered... brother murdered who heíd just reconciled with... best friend murdered .... the Warriors 3 murdered by his sister .... homeland obliterated... everyone on the refugee ship killed .... and then in the final moment to save 1/2 the universe, he fucks it up.  Falling into the deepest depression where nothing meaningful matters is totally understandable, imo.

Yup. They did maybe overplay the comedic part of it and underplay the actual drama but the twist itself was brilliant.
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Post by: Vmadera00 on August 06, 2021, 06:36:21 AM
Hated it. Thor is one of my favorite characters and I think that "twist" removed what I love most about him:  He's a leader, but not really.  He's a god, but not really.  He's smart, but not really.   He's all these things that are sort of a contradiction, and in that last movie it just seemed he was pure comedic relief. 

Thank you for responding. This was something that divided a lot of fans and even caused some controversy when the movie was released. With that said:

Regarding Thor, I wasnít too impressed at first, but ultimately thought it was brilliant. It just showed heís ďhumanĒ.  Lost his dad ... mom murdered... brother murdered who heíd just reconciled with... best friend murdered .... the Warriors 3 murdered by his sister .... homeland obliterated... everyone on the refugee ship killed .... and then in the final moment to save 1/2 the universe, he fucks it up.  Falling into the deepest depression where nothing meaningful matters is totally understandable, imo.

That's where I stand and I also though it was brilliant. If you look at the characters that survive the snap, the way they coped with things is directly attached to their personality. We see a vulnerable Thor in IW, when he was on the ship with Rocket and Groot. Makes sense to me he would turn the way he did after losing a battle that caused half of all live to vanished and feeling like it was your fault, on top of everything he had already lost.
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 06, 2021, 06:53:59 AM
Regarding Thor, I wasnít too impressed at first, but ultimately thought it was brilliant. It just showed heís ďhumanĒ.  Lost his dad ... mom murdered... brother murdered who heíd just reconciled with... best friend murdered .... the Warriors 3 murdered by his sister .... homeland obliterated... everyone on the refugee ship killed .... and then in the final moment to save 1/2 the universe, he fucks it up.  Falling into the deepest depression where nothing meaningful matters is totally understandable, imo.

Yup. They did maybe overplay the comedic part of it and underplay the actual drama but the twist itself was brilliant.

On this, we agree.  Though, the cheez-whiz and Lebowski comments were pretty darn good.
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Post by: lonestar on August 06, 2021, 06:57:55 AM
I had no issue with the treatment of Thor, it follows his arc of stupid silliness fine, as well as keeping with his actual mental breakdown. I felt it tied the two together nicely.
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Post by: soupytwist on August 06, 2021, 07:07:51 AM


Where I sit right now, I liked Infinity War WAY better than Endgame. 

Watching the end of IW (with all the dusting after the snap) in the cinema for the first time was amazing, just taking in all that was happening.
But I've said it before it's much easier to write a brilliant cliff hanger ending, than it is to write a satisfying resolution.  I think for the most part Endgame did satisfy, I have a few niggles and I do think IW is the slightly better film - but overall I was really happy with both parts.
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Post by: lonestar on August 06, 2021, 07:16:33 AM
I'll never forget the end of IW... The dude next to me turning to his friends in bewilderment asking "did they lose?"


Seeing Endgame opening night in a packed theater will be a movie experience that will never be topped though. For that alone I'd put it on top of IW.
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Post by: Orbert on August 06, 2021, 07:33:36 AM
One other thing:  I wish I felt more empathy with Nebula.   She was such a main character in the movie but I just didn't connect, really.   

I liked her arc, but it did feel like she got more screen time because Karen Gillan has gotten more popular since Nebula was first introduced.  She was a secondary character who they tried to make into a main character, and we already had plenty of main characters.
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Post by: Stadler on August 06, 2021, 07:33:46 AM
Hated it. Thor is one of my favorite characters and I think that "twist" removed what I love most about him:  He's a leader, but not really.  He's a god, but not really.  He's smart, but not really.   He's all these things that are sort of a contradiction, and in that last movie it just seemed he was pure comedic relief. 

Thank you for responding. This was something that divided a lot of fans and even caused some controversy when the movie was released. With that said:

Regarding Thor, I wasnít too impressed at first, but ultimately thought it was brilliant. It just showed heís ďhumanĒ.  Lost his dad ... mom murdered... brother murdered who heíd just reconciled with... best friend murdered .... the Warriors 3 murdered by his sister .... homeland obliterated... everyone on the refugee ship killed .... and then in the final moment to save 1/2 the universe, he fucks it up.  Falling into the deepest depression where nothing meaningful matters is totally understandable, imo.

That's where I stand and I also though it was brilliant. If you look at the characters that survive the snap, the way they coped with things is directly attached to their personality. We see a vulnerable Thor in IW, when he was on the ship with Rocket and Groot. Makes sense to me he would turn the way he did after losing a battle that caused half of all live to vanished and feeling like it was your fault, on top of everything he had already lost.

I'm human, I live with arguably three or four humans, I sired a human, most of my friends are human... I have enough loss and reality and "dealing" each and every day.   I don't really need that from my costumed super heroes.   Thor ISN'T human, in the sense that he has a Hammer that no one other than Capt. America (another twist I wasn't that fond of) can even LIFT.  He can fly, more or less, and move between universes almost at will.  He popped an eyeball into his head that came more or less directly from a rabbit/racoon's ass.   I don't need "depression" from him.  We've got "sensitive" Bruce Banner, and "sensitive" Steve Rogers, and a morphing-into-sensitive-in-a-way-that-makes-perfect-sense "sensitive" Tony Stark.   I thought it was unnecessary.

But I understand the other point of view; it's just my opinion.
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Post by: Stadler on August 06, 2021, 07:35:50 AM
I'll never forget the end of IW... The dude next to me turning to his friends in bewilderment asking "did they lose?"


Seeing Endgame opening night in a packed theater will be a movie experience that will never be topped though. For that alone I'd put it on top of IW.

See, I fought back emotions when Peter Parker turned to dust; that look on his face - "Tony! What the flip is HAPPENING to me! This isn't supposed to happen!" with a twist of "My aunt is going to KILL ME!" - was priceless.  I did not cry or even feel close to it watching Tony reach his conclusion.
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Post by: kingshmegland on August 06, 2021, 07:54:58 AM
Stads, even Thanos let a tear out.  :lol
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 06, 2021, 08:00:45 AM
IMO, dealing with immense and immeasurable loss isn't exclusive to "human"-ity.  Asgardians aren't emotionless nor impervious to pain - they're not Vulcan!  :lol  If they can feel happy, pleasure, anger, love etc... they can also feel grief.  I think his arc was done better the way it was, rather than to have him simply continue existing as the God of Thunder / King of Asgard.  His entire purpose was shattered by Thanos - A God should've stopped Thanos; A King should've protected his people.  I personally felt it more believable this way, than if he'd gone on as the Thor from his first 2 movies.
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Post by: lonestar on August 06, 2021, 08:04:26 AM
I'll never forget the end of IW... The dude next to me turning to his friends in bewilderment asking "did they lose?"


Seeing Endgame opening night in a packed theater will be a movie experience that will never be topped though. For that alone I'd put it on top of IW.

See, I fought back emotions when Peter Parker turned to dust; that look on his face - "Tony! What the flip is HAPPENING to me! This isn't supposed to happen!" with a twist of "My aunt is going to KILL ME!" - was priceless.  I did not cry or even feel close to it watching Tony reach his conclusion.

Yeah, but seeing the on your left scene at home on a couch as opposed to in a theater with a few hundred uber geeks screaming their heads off are two VASTLY different experiences.
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 06, 2021, 08:11:05 AM
I'll never forget the end of IW... The dude next to me turning to his friends in bewilderment asking "did they lose?"


Seeing Endgame opening night in a packed theater will be a movie experience that will never be topped though. For that alone I'd put it on top of IW.

See, I fought back emotions when Peter Parker turned to dust; that look on his face - "Tony! What the flip is HAPPENING to me! This isn't supposed to happen!" with a twist of "My aunt is going to KILL ME!" - was priceless.  I did not cry or even feel close to it watching Tony reach his conclusion.

Yeah, but seeing the on your left scene at home on a couch as opposed to in a theater with a few hundred uber geeks screaming their heads off are two VASTLY different experiences.

IMO, Endgame's goosebump inducing moments were bigger than the ones in IW, just a little.  Both experiences in a fully jam-packed IMAX theater will never be topped.

Overall, I give the nod to IW though, just for how *all* the characters were incorporated and played meaningful roles, and how the separate storylines all converged at the end.
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Post by: lonestar on August 06, 2021, 08:20:01 AM
Yeah, from a clinical view, IW was a more complete and together product, but Endgame brought that shit home in the most epic fashion. Really hard to discern for me tbh.
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Post by: Vmadera00 on August 06, 2021, 09:54:52 AM
Not directly related to the MCU, but this trailer for Free Guy gave me a good laugh.

https://youtu.be/g7q60i_Lh_E
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 06, 2021, 10:23:25 AM
Saw that one a couple weeks back.  Just brilliant.
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Post by: ariich on August 06, 2021, 10:50:40 AM
IMO, dealing with immense and immeasurable loss isn't exclusive to "human"-ity.  Asgardians aren't emotionless nor impervious to pain - they're not Vulcan!  :lol  If they can feel happy, pleasure, anger, love etc... they can also feel grief.  I think his arc was done better the way it was, rather than to have him simply continue existing as the God of Thunder / King of Asgard.  His entire purpose was shattered by Thanos - A God should've stopped Thanos; A King should've protected his people.  I personally felt it more believable this way, than if he'd gone on as the Thor from his first 2 movies.
Completely agree, I loved Thor's arc.

I also liked the fact that once he'd got his head into a better place, he didn't suddenly become his old self physically. I thought the whole arc was handled really well.
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Post by: bosk1 on August 06, 2021, 12:41:09 PM
Same.  It bugs me when I see people say it was just played for laughs/comedic relief, when it was SO much more than that, and was so emotionally impactful on so many levels.  Seems like those people just missed the point.
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Post by: Dream Team on August 06, 2021, 02:46:16 PM
Same.  It bugs me when I see people say it was just played for laughs/comedic relief, when it was SO much more than that, and was so emotionally impactful on so many levels.  Seems like those people just missed the point.

Yes, and totally missing a GREAT subtle performance by Hemsworth.
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Post by: Stadler on August 08, 2021, 01:10:41 PM
Well, I don't think it was JUST played for laughs; I got the point, I just am not sure that was the best way to get it across. 

To echo TAC's post in one of the Dream Theater album threads, I might be suffering from undue outside influence.  I'm really sort of bummed about the Olympics this year.  I LOVE the Olympics, and have historically watched them - summer and winter - in their entirety. Even the lesser-known and/or made-up sports.   The gymnasts with the ribbons; the synchronized swimming.  But EVERYTHING is about "message" these days. EVERYONE has their protest and their truth and their this and their that, and I'm getting numb to it. I finally stopped watching the Olympics outright because every broadcast moment was seemingly spent trying to find the "angle", the "humanity".   But these are supposed to be the best of the best on the biggest stage, once every four years.  There's no do-overs.  No second chances.  Jim McKay telling us about the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat, with the ski-jumper falling off the ramp and ripping down the ABC OLYMPICS sign.   Back to THOR, THE GOD OF FRIGGIN' THUNDER, I mean, if my politicians can't be heroes, if my athletes can't be heroes, and now I can't even rely on my SUPERHEROES to be heroes, then WTF?    I get it; that's a one-dimensional way to look at things, but it's how I looked at that part of that movie while watching it.  Who knows?  Maybe I'll watch it again and think differently.
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Post by: lonestar on August 08, 2021, 03:31:41 PM
I think I saved myself from the majority of that bullshit in the olympics by watching them on YT. Five minute clips showing the highlights of each event, and a snippet of the ceremony for the emotional finish.
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Post by: Dream Team on August 08, 2021, 05:58:00 PM
Thatís good insight Stads on how our state of mind affects our movie-watching experience.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 09, 2021, 10:00:17 AM
We skipped The Hulk because I am told it's a different actor and not too relevant to the rest of the marvel universe so we watched Thor last night.  I was also kind of meh about this one.  Honestly, starting to look like I was right in my thought that Marvel is not for me.  These movies are losing steam quickly for me.  The first Avengers is next, which might be make or break for me to continue.

Having said that, should I go back and watch The Hulk?
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Post by: Vmadera00 on August 09, 2021, 10:11:48 AM
I would recommend to stick to it. The first couple of movies are hard to get through. Things didn't start to pick up until Avengers(your next movie to watch), but really and truly it was after Captain American Winter Soldier that every movie felt like it was in the great/awesome category.

The Hulk is more of a "If you want to, go watch it". It seems that the main villain will come back in one of the future movies, so it might be relevant, but it could also just be a cameo, so for now it is safe to skip that one.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 09, 2021, 10:25:19 AM
I don't plan on making my mind up after the Avengers, but kind of dissapointed in only like 2 of the 5 movies so far (the first Iron Man and Captain America).

I'm about to leave for LA for 10 days for work and won't be with my girl to continue watching, but may consider watching the Hulk as I'll probably need something to watch in the hotel at night. I just don't want to sour myself even further if it's not relevant/good.
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 09, 2021, 10:28:24 AM
I would recommend to stick to it. The first couple of movies are hard to get through. Things didn't start to pick up until Avengers(your next movie to watch), but really and truly it was after Captain American Winter Soldier that every movie felt like it was in the great/awesome category.

The Hulk is more of a "If you want to, go watch it". It seems that the main villain will come back in one of the future movies, so it might be relevant, but it could also just be a cameo, so for now it is safe to skip that one.

This is spot on.  The first 4 were setup movies.  Teenage foreplay.  You ought to get the chance to blow your load with Avengers.  And Vader is right... Winter Soldier is the first truly great standalone film - so don't base any go/no-go decision on IM3.

Patience Kimosabe.
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 09, 2021, 10:35:13 AM
Damn.... wrong thread.
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Post by: Adami on August 09, 2021, 11:08:26 AM
The hell are you all talking about? Iron Man is an amazing stand alone film.
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 09, 2021, 01:33:49 PM
The hell are you all talking about? Iron Man is an amazing stand alone film.

I guess I define "great" as Top 5 in the 23 movies up to Endgame.  IM1 I put in the Top 10; but Winter Soldier is securely in the Top 5.
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 18, 2021, 01:01:21 PM
Shang-Chi tickets purchased.
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Post by: Adami on August 18, 2021, 01:05:00 PM
Shang-Chi tickets purchased.

Yup. Sadly since my girlfriend is a Rabbi, it usually knocks out Friday/Saturday for her, so we're going on Sunday. Will just try to avoid spoilers for a few days (totally won't be hard  :mehlin)
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 18, 2021, 01:24:38 PM
Shang-Chi tickets purchased.

Yup. Sadly since my girlfriend is a Rabbi, it usually knocks out Friday/Saturday for her, so we're going on Sunday. Will just try to avoid spoilers for a few days (totally won't be hard  :mehlin)

I'm going Thursday at 7pm.   :biggrin:
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Post by: kingshmegland on August 18, 2021, 01:37:26 PM
I forgot it was opening this weekend.  Maybe Saturday or Sunday then!
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Post by: Vmadera00 on August 18, 2021, 01:39:15 PM
I forgot it was opening this weekend.  Maybe Saturday or Sunday then!

Still 2 weeks away  :natalieportman: I might be away Labor Day weekend, but I might try to see if I can catch it anyways. Worst case it will be available in Disney+ on October 18 I believe?
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Post by: The Letter M on August 18, 2021, 01:41:37 PM
I forgot it was opening this weekend.  Maybe Saturday or Sunday then!

Still 2 weeks away, no?  ???

According to Wikipedia:
Quote
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings had its world premiere at the El Capitan Theatre and TCL Chinese Theater in Los Angeles on August 16, 2021, and will be screened at CinemaCon on August 25. The film is scheduled to be released in the United States on September 3, 2021. It will have a 45-day exclusive theatrical release, rather than being released simultaneously in theaters and on Disney+ with Premier Access like Black Widow. Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings will be part of Phase Four of the MCU.

I forgot it was opening this weekend.  Maybe Saturday or Sunday then!

You've got two weeks, unless you're talking to us from the future.

-Marc.
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Post by: Stadler on August 18, 2021, 02:02:53 PM
Shang-Chi tickets purchased.

Yup. Sadly since my girlfriend is a Rabbi, it usually knocks out Friday/Saturday for her, so we're going on Sunday. Will just try to avoid spoilers for a few days (totally won't be hard  :mehlin)

Does that mean Marvel isn't kosher?  :)
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Post by: Adami on August 18, 2021, 05:37:26 PM
Shang-Chi tickets purchased.

Yup. Sadly since my girlfriend is a Rabbi, it usually knocks out Friday/Saturday for her, so we're going on Sunday. Will just try to avoid spoilers for a few days (totally won't be hard  :mehlin)

Does that mean Marvel isn't kosher?  :)

It's definitely not Halacha.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 19, 2021, 06:19:29 AM
Final trailer for Eternals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlVhlKuUfiA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlVhlKuUfiA)

 :metal
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Post by: lonestar on August 19, 2021, 06:44:49 AM
Holy fuck.  :omg:
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Post by: Vmadera00 on August 19, 2021, 06:54:42 AM
Holy fuck.  :omg:

 :omg: :omg:
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Post by: ariich on August 19, 2021, 07:23:21 AM
That looks awesome.
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 19, 2021, 09:29:38 AM
I think I went from 6 to 12.  This looks fuckin bitchin.
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Post by: DoctorAction on August 20, 2021, 04:11:06 PM
I went from an 8 to a 6. It's just a trailer but didn't give me much feels.
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Post by: kingshmegland on August 20, 2021, 04:33:01 PM
I went from an 8 to a 6. It's just a trailer but didn't give me much feels.

Not me.  It moved.
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Post by: The Letter M on August 20, 2021, 07:07:30 PM
I went from an 8 to a 6. It's just a trailer but didn't give me much feels.

Based on your response, I don't think you quite know what "going from 6 to 12" means.  :lol

Final trailer for Eternals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlVhlKuUfiA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlVhlKuUfiA)

 :metal

I definitely loved this trailer, lots to dig into, and it seems like this will be a "Grand Scope" sort of film that covers a LOT of the cosmic history of the MCU. It'll be interesting to see how close to the comics they'll be with regards to origin stories and character relationships.

-Marc.
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Post by: DoctorAction on August 21, 2021, 01:41:10 AM
I went from an 8 to a 6. It's just a trailer but didn't give me much feels.

Based on your response, I don't think you quite know what "going from 6 to 12" means.  :lol


Oh. :lol I just looked that up.  :o I think my 6 to 8 declaration is still, erm, "solid", for want of a better term.

EDIT: No, wait. I said 8 to 6, didn't I? Oh dear. I am looking forward to it but feeling cautious.
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 21, 2021, 05:21:21 AM
I went from an 8 to a 6. It's just a trailer but didn't give me much feels.

Based on your response, I don't think you quite know what "going from 6 to 12" means.  :lol


Oh. :lol I just looked that up.  :o I think my 6 to 8 declaration is still, erm, "solid", for want of a better term.

EDIT: No, wait. I said 8 to 6, didn't I? Oh dear. I am looking forward to it but feeling cautious.

So, the same way you feel about your OnlyFans subscriptions?   :lol :lol
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Post by: DoctorAction on August 21, 2021, 07:20:11 AM
 :lol
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Post by: lonestar on August 21, 2021, 09:28:00 AM
Saw a piece elsewhere, and figured it'd make fun speculation for us. What will be the avengers 5 team lineup?
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 21, 2021, 09:56:37 AM
Dr. Strange, Spidey, She-Hulk, Scarlet Witch, White Vision, Captain Falcon.  Not sure if Thor would make an appearance.
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Post by: lonestar on August 22, 2021, 08:41:33 AM
Dr. Strange, Spidey, She-Hulk, Scarlet Witch, White Vision, Captain Falcon.  Not sure if Thor would make an appearance.


I'd think Danvers would be in there as well, she's contracted for a shit ton more movies.



On a side note, I was reading a piece about the casting of the Fantastic 4, and they were talking about Marvel's track record on not having to recast roles. I thought into it, and as I remember, they've only recast Roadie, Banner and Thanos. Is there any others?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on August 22, 2021, 08:47:56 AM
Red skull




Iíd barely put thanos there. They cast Brolin after the other dude had a 3 second smile.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on August 22, 2021, 09:08:39 AM
Dr. Strange, Spidey, She-Hulk, Scarlet Witch, White Vision, Captain Falcon.  Not sure if Thor would make an appearance.


I'd think Danvers would be in there as well, she's contracted for a shit ton more movies.



On a side note, I was reading a piece about the casting of the Fantastic 4, and they were talking about Marvel's track record on not having to recast roles. I thought into it, and as I remember, they've only recast Roadie, Banner and Thanos. Is there any others?
Red skull




Iíd barely put thanos there. They cast Brolin after the other dude had a 3 second smile.

Rhodes and Banner were recast because of conflicts with their original actors, and Weaving just simply didn't want to return to Red Skull, so those are all understandable. Thanos I think was just a last minute addition by Joss and Kevin to the Avengers tag that they probably didn't have time to properly cast him. If Marvel Studios ever does a special edition edit of their earlier films, it would be neat to see them redo that tag with the GOTG-Version of Thanos at the end just for continuity's sake.

Fandral from the Thor films was recast but that was due to scheduling conflicts. From Wikipedia:
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Fandral appears in the film Thor, where he is played by Josh Dallas. Zachary Levi, star of NBC's Chuck, was originally set to play Fandral but had to pull out when Chuck's season 3 order was extended from 13 to 19 episodes. Actor Stuart Townsend, who had also been cast in the role, left the production citing creative differences.

Fandral is played by Zachary Levi in Thor: The Dark World, replacing Dallas after the actor's commitment to Once Upon a Time created scheduling conflicts. His role is expanded from comic relief in the first movie, as he assists Thor with leaving Asgard.

Levi reprises his role, albeit briefly, in Thor: Ragnarok.

Other than those, I can't really think of any other roles that were recast outside of necessity, like having two actors portray Howard Stark in the 40s/50s and a different one later in his life in the 70s/80s/90s.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Orbert on August 22, 2021, 03:07:48 PM
Oops.  Never mind.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on August 22, 2021, 09:56:28 PM
Rumors going around that No Way Home trailer will drop tomorrow, plus a really shitty leaked trailer dropped. I mean, really shitty quality, like girl on snapchat with 500 filters, filmed by a cell phone of a cell phone and watched in a dirty bathroom mirror's reflection shitty. But the voices checked out, so we'll see if it was legit.



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Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Vmadera00 on August 23, 2021, 06:57:15 AM
Rumors going around that No Way Home trailer will drop tomorrow, plus a really shitty leaked trailer dropped. I mean, really shitty quality, like girl on snapchat with 500 filters, filmed by a cell phone of a cell phone and watched in a dirty bathroom mirror's reflection shitty. But the voices checked out, so we'll see if it was legit.

 :lol I thought you were exaggerating with that description but it is that bad  :lol

Well, I'll wait for the official trailer
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on August 23, 2021, 06:59:07 AM
It really is  :rollin
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on August 23, 2021, 07:45:57 PM
Officially official, as tweeted by Marvel...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1429981785954430979 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1429981785954430979)


Quality still looked rough, but that was probably because a bazillion people were smashing the fuck out of the link at once I'd imagine. I literally got to it a few seconds after dropping



Ok, got a few more in on my big tv....and all I can say is FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCKKKKKK


I mean, holy shit. We got Doc Oc, the Goblin, and a brief shot of Matt Murdock. All three fall movies are looking so fucking dope.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on August 23, 2021, 08:21:56 PM
Wow


Wait, we got Matt Murdock? Did I miss that?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on August 23, 2021, 08:27:35 PM
Wow


Wait, we got Matt Murdock? Did I miss that?

The bit in the interrogation room, right before it you see the lawyer walk in, I'm pretty sure it's him. Watched it a few times on my big screen, I could see the glasses.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on August 23, 2021, 08:32:05 PM
Wow


Wait, we got Matt Murdock? Did I miss that?

The bit in the interrogation room, right before it you see the lawyer walk in, I'm pretty sure it's him. Watched it a few times on my big screen, I could see the glasses.

I missed that too.  Re-watching.  You think it's Charlie Cox?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on August 23, 2021, 08:43:24 PM
Well wait for the dissection videos to confirm.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Vmadera00 on August 23, 2021, 08:54:08 PM
I'm intrigued about Dr. Strange, he seems to be in a no F*** given mood. Maybe his way of coping with the Thanos aftermath.

Me thinks Doc Oc is not talking to MCU Spidey there  :o
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: ariich on August 23, 2021, 11:47:26 PM
Wow


Wait, we got Matt Murdock? Did I miss that?

The bit in the interrogation room, right before it you see the lawyer walk in, I'm pretty sure it's him. Watched it a few times on my big screen, I could see the glasses.
Do you mean the lawyer (presumably) in a shirt and tie who slams some papers down in front of Peter? We can't see his face, but it could be Murdock I guess.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on August 24, 2021, 04:52:14 AM
A few seconds before that, you see (mostly a silhouette) him walking into the interrogation room.  Could be Murdock.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: ariich on August 24, 2021, 05:46:58 AM
A few seconds before that, you see (mostly a silhouette) him walking into the interrogation room.  Could be Murdock.
Eh, not convinced by that. The person behind in the shirt and tie was walking normally, arms folded, so unless Murdock has stopped his pretence with the stick, it wouldn't make sense for it to be him.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on August 24, 2021, 05:52:58 AM
A few seconds before that, you see (mostly a silhouette) him walking into the interrogation room.  Could be Murdock.
Eh, not convinced by that. The person behind in the shirt and tie was walking normally, arms folded, so unless Murdock has stopped his pretence with the stick, it wouldn't make sense for it to be him.

Killjoy.  :P
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on August 24, 2021, 06:38:18 AM
Crap.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on August 24, 2021, 06:43:25 AM
A few seconds before that, you see (mostly a silhouette) him walking into the interrogation room.  Could be Murdock.
Eh, not convinced by that. The person behind in the shirt and tie was walking normally, arms folded, so unless Murdock has stopped his pretence with the stick, it wouldn't make sense for it to be him.

Killgrave.  :P


Jessica Jones confirmed?!?!?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on August 24, 2021, 06:52:44 AM
So I know it's just a teaser, and I am confident the movie will explain this in a satisfactory way, but I don't buy how they showed Strange doing everything.

"Hey Doc, any chance we can change the nature of reality?"
"SURE THING BRAH!"
"Wait, maybe not EVERYTHING about..."
"SHUT UP BRAH I'M REWRITING REALITY!"

Maybe it's not really Strange? Dunno. Just seems awfully out of character for him to agree to something like that.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: ariich on August 24, 2021, 06:58:58 AM
Just seems awfully out of character for him to agree to something like that.
Yeah I definitely had a similar thought. Especially with Wong appearing and telling him not to do the spell. In the trailer it does come across as him just being "yeah whatever" about it, and I guess that could be where he's at after all the intensity of IW/Endgame, but whether it's that or some other motivation I do hope it's brought out a little bit.

Also regardless of motivation, he may have also figured it was safe to do a spell that just changes one specific thing, but that it was Peter's meddling that caused all the chaos.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Vmadera00 on August 24, 2021, 07:04:36 AM
So I know it's just a teaser, and I am confident the movie will explain this in a satisfactory way, but I don't buy how they showed Strange doing everything.
***
Maybe it's not really Strange? Dunno. Just seems awfully out of character for him to agree to something like that.

I'm intrigued about Dr. Strange, he seems to be in a no F*** given mood. Maybe his way of coping with the Thanos aftermath.

I was talking about this with my partner yesterday after we saw the trailer. It is extremely out of character but I think it is him and he is in a whatever mood, coping with the Thanos aftermath. The NY Sanctum is covered in ice (for some reason), he is in sweat pants and a hoodie, and when Wong tells him not to cast the spell, his seemed annoyed Wong was telling him what to do.

We saw how some of the other avengers were coping with the events (including peter in Far From Home), maybe his way of coping with everything is by no caring anymore. Also, why does he still have the Eye of Agamotto if he doesn't have the time stone anymore? so many questions!
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on August 24, 2021, 07:20:31 AM
I'm digging that a lot.  A LOT.   I mean, it doesn't make a ton of sense, but who cares?  It was 2:56 out of a 2 and a half hour movie, it's not supposed to make sense, it's supposed to get me to watch the movie.  Mission accomplished!   :)
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on August 24, 2021, 07:35:05 AM
Also, why does he still have the Eye of Agamotto if he doesn't have the time stone anymore? so many questions!

The Eye of Agamotto never did host the Time Stone in the comics.  It's a mystical talisman in its own right, and I assume it is so even without the Time Stone in the MCU.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on August 24, 2021, 07:40:32 AM
Also, why does he still have the Eye of Agamotto if he doesn't have the time stone anymore? so many questions!

The Eye of Agamotto never did host the Time Stone in the comics.  It's a mystical talisman in its own right, and I assume it is so even without the Time Stone in the MCU.

I dunno. As far as I know, the tesseract and Vision were never infinity stones in the comics either but the movies made them connected beyond distinction. So if the Eye is something else, they haven't hinted at it since he's only used it as the time stone.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: MinistroRaven on August 24, 2021, 08:14:47 AM
A few seconds before that, you see (mostly a silhouette) him walking into the interrogation room.  Could be Murdock.
Eh, not convinced by that. The person behind in the shirt and tie was walking normally, arms folded, so unless Murdock has stopped his pretence with the stick, it wouldn't make sense for it to be him.

Also, the two persons walking behind have batches on their chests, they seem to be policemen.

(https://i.ibb.co/XjWg9pD/Captura-de-Pantalla-2021-08-24-a-la-s-09-13-44.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/pLTTxLj/Captura-de-Pantalla-2021-08-24-a-la-s-09-14-02.png)
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Vmadera00 on August 24, 2021, 08:23:40 AM
I think he meant this person

(https://i.imgur.com/HyqpEtq.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: MinistroRaven on August 24, 2021, 08:25:27 AM
 :rollin
I think he meant this person

(https://i.imgur.com/HyqpEtq.jpg)

 :rollin :rollin :rollin

OH, OK,  :rollin
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on August 24, 2021, 09:47:05 AM
That's who I meant... And as painful as it is to admit, Rich is right.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on August 24, 2021, 10:03:15 AM
Also, why does he still have the Eye of Agamotto if he doesn't have the time stone anymore? so many questions!

The Eye of Agamotto never did host the Time Stone in the comics.  It's a mystical talisman in its own right, and I assume it is so even without the Time Stone in the MCU.

I dunno. As far as I know, the tesseract and Vision were never infinity stones in the comics either but the movies made them connected beyond distinction. So if the Eye is something else, they haven't hinted at it since he's only used it as the time stone.

True, but before it was revealed as holding the Time Stone at the end of Dr. Strange, the amulet did perform some of what its 'power' is in the comics:

Quote
The Eye is used to find and show "truth".

It can emit an "all-revealing light".
It can play back recent events.
It has other abilities which are similar to telepathy but are magical rather than psionic, greatest of which is the ability to give its user certain mystical perceptions into another's soul.
It accompanies the wearer's astral form and is one of the few items usable in either state (albeit at a less powerful state).

No reason why they can't/shouldn't fall back on some of its more traditional 'powers'.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on August 24, 2021, 11:08:57 AM
Yeah, there was no Murdoch in this trailer.  Doesn't mean he won't show up, but he wasn't in this.  BUT there was another cameo that was missed:  the lizard (who I didn't see until it was pointed out [@2:26]). 

Also:  :lol @ Dr. Strange's coffee mug (@1:28).
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on August 24, 2021, 11:19:08 AM
Also was the "be careful what you wish for" line by Strange?

I wonder if there's a Christmas Carol element to this. Or maybe It's a Wonderful Life?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on August 24, 2021, 11:28:06 AM
Also was the "be careful what you wish for" line by Strange?

I could be wrong, but it sounded like Goblin/Osborne to me.  (but there could also be intentional voice distortion to mislead us, too, so who knows?)
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: countoftuscany42 on August 24, 2021, 11:35:45 AM
I wondered if it was Mysterio, either as part of footage he shot before his death or that the events of the film bring him back or a variant of him.  Could be Strange speaking, he just seems less likely to refer to Peter as "Parker" especially given their introduction to each other in the trailer.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: ariich on August 24, 2021, 01:47:00 PM
Given the number of MCU and non-MCU villains hinted at either in this trailer or elsewhere, are we assuming they're doing some form of mutiversal Sinister Six?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: ariich on August 24, 2021, 01:48:18 PM
I was talking about this with my partner yesterday after we saw the trailer. It is extremely out of character but I think it is him and he is in a whatever mood, coping with the Thanos aftermath. The NY Sanctum is covered in ice (for some reason), he is in sweat pants and a hoodie, and when Wong tells him not to cast the spell, his seemed annoyed Wong was telling him what to do.

We saw how some of the other avengers were coping with the events (including peter in Far From Home), maybe his way of coping with everything is by no caring anymore. Also, why does he still have the Eye of Agamotto if he doesn't have the time stone anymore? so many questions!
Very good points, especially the hoodie which I noticed too (and which looks pretty funny under his cloak). So yes it could well all be related.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on August 24, 2021, 01:49:31 PM
Given the number of MCU and non-MCU villains hinted at either in this trailer or elsewhere, are we assuming they're doing some form of mutiversal Sinister Six?

Probably? We got Electro, Doc Oc, Goblin, Sandman, and Lizard at least hinted at in this trailer. I hope they do a good job with it though. Last time Sony tried a bunch of villains in one movie deal, it did not go well at all.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: cramx3 on August 25, 2021, 01:48:25 PM
So we watched the first Avengers last night.  I think I'm checking out.  I don't get it.  Maybe because I never was into the comics, but I find the movie to be fairly boring and completely uninteresting from a plot and character development standpoint.  Oh well, I tried.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: DoctorAction on August 25, 2021, 03:58:24 PM
Fair enough. If Avengers doesn't tickle you then it's unlikely to. Mind you, if you were to have just one more nibble I'd try Guardians Of The Galaxy. The tone of the movies shifted at that point on, imo. It was slicker, funnier and better than everything before and everything after pretty much carried that quality on.

(I also have no attachment to the comics bar Spidey as a kid, btw. I love comics but I'm not a super hero guy.)
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Vmadera00 on August 25, 2021, 05:07:40 PM
Yeah, if Avengers didn't do it for you it's deff not your thing.

Agree on Guardians of the Galaxy. Worth watching just for the comedy side of it.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: cramx3 on August 25, 2021, 05:31:57 PM
I actually watched half of Guardians on a flight and fell asleep (more of my own doing, I don't recall it boring me or anything but I usually take sleeping pills on flights) but I never went back to it.  Was looking a bit more forward to that since I recalled it not being bad. 

I actually do think I may muscle through some more, but just won't be a priority or anything.  I really did want to enjoy it, the universe as a whole and all these stories and connections all seemed right up my ally.  I liked the first Captain America and the first Iron Man, just nothing else up to this point really seemed interesting. 
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on August 25, 2021, 06:19:34 PM
Man, if Avengers didn't do it for you... You may find some pleasure in some of the movies, but I wouldn't suggest you commit to getting thru the next 18.  Seems like it just ain't your thang.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: kingshmegland on August 25, 2021, 06:46:54 PM
Marc. You seltzer drinking fool.    :lol

I still love you bro.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: cramx3 on August 26, 2021, 08:24:20 AM
Marc. You seltzer drinking fool.    :lol

I still love you bro.

I've watched all movies completely sober.  Actually, maybe that is the problem  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on August 26, 2021, 09:25:29 AM
I actually watched half of Guardians on a flight and fell asleep (more of my own doing, I don't recall it boring me or anything but I usually take sleeping pills on flights) but I never went back to it.  Was looking a bit more forward to that since I recalled it not being bad. 

I actually do think I may muscle through some more, but just won't be a priority or anything.  I really did want to enjoy it, the universe as a whole and all these stories and connections all seemed right up my ally.  I liked the first Captain America and the first Iron Man, just nothing else up to this point really seemed interesting.

You have to make the call yourself, but the various sub-franchises DO have their own flavor.   I REALLY liked Guardians of the Galaxy (both) a lot, and the Thor movies have their charm.  They hit a stride about halfway through of really balancing the nerd with the fun.  I HATE HATE HATE that snarky "Hasta la vista, baby!" snarky action picture stuff, and the Marvel universe has, in my humble opinion, walked that line beautifully.  They ARE funny but they have a knack for being serious when they need to be serious. I don't recall Thor cracking wise when his limbs were being ripped from their sockets while he harnessed the power of the star to fuel the furnace.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on August 26, 2021, 09:35:39 AM
I actually watched half of Guardians on a flight and fell asleep (more of my own doing, I don't recall it boring me or anything but I usually take sleeping pills on flights) but I never went back to it.  Was looking a bit more forward to that since I recalled it not being bad. 

I actually do think I may muscle through some more, but just won't be a priority or anything.  I really did want to enjoy it, the universe as a whole and all these stories and connections all seemed right up my ally.  I liked the first Captain America and the first Iron Man, just nothing else up to this point really seemed interesting.

You have to make the call yourself, but the various sub-franchises DO have their own flavor.   I REALLY liked Guardians of the Galaxy (both) a lot, and the Thor movies have their charm.  They hit a stride about halfway through of really balancing the nerd with the fun.  I HATE HATE HATE that snarky "Hasta la vista, baby!" snarky action picture stuff, and the Marvel universe has, in my humble opinion, walked that line beautifully.  They ARE funny but they have a knack for being serious when they need to be serious. I don't recall Thor cracking wise when his limbs were being ripped from their sockets while he harnessed the power of the star to fuel the furnace.

Eitri: You understand, boy? You're about to take the full force of a star. It'll kill you.

Thor: Only if I die. [He takes deep breaths.]

Eitri: [Boggled] Yes. That's what... "killing you" means.

 :-*

But I mostly agree. Marvel, to me, goes a LITTLE too far on the comedy some times, but usually keeps a brilliant balance.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: cramx3 on August 26, 2021, 10:36:29 AM
Other than some 90s jokes from Captain Marvel that I could totally relate to, I've found almost all the comedy in these movies to be borderline cringe. Kind of the same with the latest Star Wars.  It's probably a lot more enjoyable type of comedy for children.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on August 26, 2021, 10:53:24 AM
I actually watched half of Guardians on a flight and fell asleep (more of my own doing, I don't recall it boring me or anything but I usually take sleeping pills on flights) but I never went back to it.  Was looking a bit more forward to that since I recalled it not being bad. 

I actually do think I may muscle through some more, but just won't be a priority or anything.  I really did want to enjoy it, the universe as a whole and all these stories and connections all seemed right up my ally.  I liked the first Captain America and the first Iron Man, just nothing else up to this point really seemed interesting.

You have to make the call yourself, but the various sub-franchises DO have their own flavor.   I REALLY liked Guardians of the Galaxy (both) a lot, and the Thor movies have their charm.  They hit a stride about halfway through of really balancing the nerd with the fun.  I HATE HATE HATE that snarky "Hasta la vista, baby!" snarky action picture stuff, and the Marvel universe has, in my humble opinion, walked that line beautifully.  They ARE funny but they have a knack for being serious when they need to be serious. I don't recall Thor cracking wise when his limbs were being ripped from their sockets while he harnessed the power of the star to fuel the furnace.

Eitri: You understand, boy? You're about to take the full force of a star. It'll kill you.

Thor: Only if I die. [He takes deep breaths.]

Eitri: [Boggled] Yes. That's what... "killing you" means.

 :-*

But I mostly agree. Marvel, to me, goes a LITTLE too far on the comedy some times, but usually keeps a brilliant balance.

That was before he flew off and did his magic, no?    The better example is Thor, I think Ragnarok.  There were scenes of "comedy", that were funny (mainly, Norse-God-out-of-water jokes) but the battle scenes were these epic fights set to The Immigrant Song by Led Zeppelin.  Friggin' OPTIMAL. 
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 26, 2021, 10:54:18 AM
Other than some 90s jokes from Captain Marvel that I could totally relate to, I've found almost all the comedy in these movies to be borderline cringe. Kind of the same with the latest Star Wars.  It's probably a lot more enjoyable type of comedy for children.
So, we're all children? 

IS THAT WHAT YOU THINK?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Vmadera00 on August 26, 2021, 08:41:50 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/7odqxVA_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Dream Team on August 29, 2021, 03:27:25 PM
So we watched the first Avengers last night.  I think I'm checking out.  I don't get it.  Maybe because I never was into the comics, but I find the movie to be fairly boring and completely uninteresting from a plot and character development standpoint.  Oh well, I tried.

I canít comprehend this.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jammindude on August 29, 2021, 04:23:28 PM
So we watched the first Avengers last night.  I think I'm checking out.  I don't get it.  Maybe because I never was into the comics, but I find the movie to be fairly boring and completely uninteresting from a plot and character development standpoint.  Oh well, I tried.

I canít comprehend this.

I was going to say something similar.

To be honest, I skipped the early Marvel films just because I was always only lukewarm on comic book movies in general. But I loved Joss Whedonís work in Firefly and knew that he had a way of giving all characters an equal emotional impact in an ensemble situation, and he didnít disappoint.

In fact, The Avengers was such a well told story, and such a well made action film, that it single handedly changed the way I view a comic book films. It wasnít until I saw Avengers that I went back to give the other MCU films a chance. Itís such a complete game changer that itís hard to imagine it not being accepted as just a fantastic action film in its own right.  Itís basically the action and SFX equivalent of Jurassic Park, but with much better story telling, dialogue, and acting.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Kotowboy on August 30, 2021, 01:09:28 PM
I knew NOTHING about Marvel back in 2012. I loved Firefly and only went to see Avengers (2012) as Joss was directing. I thought it was great.



Anyway my local cinema is opening back up soon and i'm in the mood for a big blockbuster. Might go see whatever MARVEL is on. I think it's 10 rings ?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jammindude on August 30, 2021, 03:38:56 PM
I knew NOTHING about Marvel back in 2012. I loved Firefly and only went to see Avengers (2012) as Joss was directing. I thought it was great.



Anyway my local cinema is opening back up soon and i'm in the mood for a big blockbuster. Might go see whatever MARVEL is on. I think it's 10 rings ?

Yes. Although I think I might wait a week. Iím still a bit squirrly about going to a crowded theater. Many theaters have removed the spacing restrictions, which I think is a TERRIBLE ideaÖ.so I want to wait until the initial rush dies down.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on August 30, 2021, 09:20:33 PM
I knew NOTHING about Marvel back in 2012. I loved Firefly and only went to see Avengers (2012) as Joss was directing. I thought it was great.



Anyway my local cinema is opening back up soon and i'm in the mood for a big blockbuster. Might go see whatever MARVEL is on. I think it's 10 rings ?

Yes. Although I think I might wait a week. Iím still a bit squirrly about going to a crowded theater. Many theaters have removed the spacing restrictions, which I think is a TERRIBLE ideaÖ.so I want to wait until the initial rush dies down.

Theatres here still block off a 'bubble' of seats around what you purchase, almost like a Tic/Tac/Toe board.  We've got the centre square, and the rest of the board is blockd off.  Here's how it works - OO is my / jingle.son seats; X's are blocked off; _ is a potential occupied seat

_XXXX_
XXOOXX
_XXXX_

So, for my two tickets, 14 seats are used - 2 for me; 12 blocked off for distancing.

Seeing a movie now will never be more comfortable and safe.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jammindude on August 30, 2021, 11:15:32 PM
Iím not sure if the governorĎs new mandate will change it, but when we went to go see black widow they were just leaving one space between seats and thatís it. Then we heard a couple weeks later that they had lifted even that restriction.

But we are in Washington and the governor just put some very strict mandates into affect. So I will have to check and see if that changed anything with movie theaters.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Kotowboy on August 31, 2021, 04:34:34 AM
Cinemas here are still doing spacing...

Funny thing though - back when TENET first came out I went to see it in the nice big cinema an hours drive away to enjoy it as much as possible.

I got the biggest screen to myself  :biggrin: :biggrin:

That's the best way to see a new Chris Nolan film.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: soupytwist on August 31, 2021, 04:51:54 AM
So Shang-Chi is sitting on an impressive 92% on RT.  That means all 25 MCU movies have a positive rating (60% or above), that's a pretty crazy really.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Vmadera00 on August 31, 2021, 06:54:28 AM
Iím not sure if the governorĎs new mandate will change it, but when we went to go see black widow they were just leaving one space between seats and thatís it. Then we heard a couple weeks later that they had lifted even that restriction.

But we are in Washington and the governor just put some very strict mandates into affect. So I will have to check and see if that changed anything with movie theaters.

I saw Black Widow on the Sunday after release, at 11am, on a new/yet to be known theater and it was mostly empty (at most 20 people in the entire theater). I am expecting to do the same for Shang Chi. So far it shows that only 4 seats have been sold for Sunday at 11:30. I'll wait until that Saturday and make a decision then but you can always try that. Usually early Sunday shows are pretty empty.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Kotowboy on August 31, 2021, 07:33:29 AM
So Shang-Chi is sitting on an impressive 92% on RT.  That means all 25 MCU movies have a positive rating (60% or above), that's a pretty crazy really.


Even Iron Man 2 is watchable. When Lockdown 1 happened I watched all of the MCU movies on Disney+ . One a night.

IM2 wasn't as bad as I remember. At least when you compare it to rubbish like Man Of Steel or Batman V Superman or Justice League.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on August 31, 2021, 10:15:04 AM
So Shang-Chi is sitting on an impressive 92% on RT.  That means all 25 MCU movies have a positive rating (60% or above), that's a pretty crazy really.


Even Iron Man 2 is watchable. When Lockdown 1 happened I watched all of the MCU movies on Disney+ . One a night.

IM2 wasn't as bad as I remember. At least when you compare it to rubbish like Man Of Steel or Batman V Superman or Justice League.

Batman v. Superman > Iron Man 2

I liked both, don't get me wrong, but I preferred BvS.  That fight scene (Batman right before he saved Mrs. Kent) is still my favorite fight scene in any superhero movie ever (though the Thor fights scenes set to Led Zeppelin are close).
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 31, 2021, 11:32:53 AM
Batman v. Superman > Iron Man 2
I mean, I guess someone had to feel that way.

Growing up, I definitely liked the characters of Batman and Superman better than Iron Man.  But I thought Batman v Superman was complete trash.  I cannot fathom liking any Marvel film less than that.

Have you had a chance to see the Snyder cut of Justice League?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: soupytwist on September 01, 2021, 02:31:37 AM

Batman v. Superman > Iron Man 2

Oh God no.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Kotowboy on September 01, 2021, 05:03:59 AM
Bit of a non sequiter but I think the best DCEU film was the first Wonder Woman.

But apparently WW84 is rubbish ? I was looking forward to it but then it had terrible reviews. Oh well.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on September 01, 2021, 06:03:56 AM
So Shang-Chi is sitting on an impressive 92% on RT.  That means all 25 MCU movies have a positive rating (60% or above), that's a pretty crazy really.


Even Iron Man 2 is watchable. When Lockdown 1 happened I watched all of the MCU movies on Disney+ . One a night.

IM2 wasn't as bad as I remember. At least when you compare it to rubbish like Man Of Steel or Batman V Superman or Justice League.

Batman v. Superman > Iron Man 2

I liked both, don't get me wrong, but I preferred BvS.  That fight scene (Batman right before he saved Mrs. Kent) is still my favorite fight scene in any superhero movie ever (though the Thor fights scenes set to Led Zeppelin are close).

Funny... jingle.son and I were just talking about the Batman movies yesterday, and I commented how this is indeed a great fight scene.  But it's so out of character for Batman.  It's like Snyder knew NOTHING about the characters in making that movie, all the while the studio simply trying to replicate the Marvel formula for success.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Kotowboy on September 01, 2021, 07:19:08 AM
Fun Fact. It was Superhero theme day at work and I found a MARVEL T shirt for £3 in a charity shop. Better than wearing my uniform for a day!

But one guy arrived in the full batman outfit. And he had NO IDEA who Bruce Wayne was and has never seen a batman film or TV episode in his life.

:lolpalm: How do you never see at least one Batman film? Or not know who Bruce Wayne is ?!

Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on September 01, 2021, 07:24:49 AM
Fun Fact. It was Superhero theme day at work and I found a MARVEL T shirt for £3 in a charity shop. Better than wearing my uniform for a day!

But one guy arrived in the full batman outfit. And he had NO IDEA who Bruce Wayne was and has never seen a batman film or TV episode in his life.

:lolpalm: How do you never see at least one Batman film? Or not know who Bruce Wayne is ?!

Are you sure he wasn't just pretending to be Batman so hard that he denied he was Bruce Wayne?  :lol

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on September 01, 2021, 07:59:28 AM
Batman v. Superman > Iron Man 2
I mean, I guess someone had to feel that way.

Growing up, I definitely liked the characters of Batman and Superman better than Iron Man.  But I thought Batman v Superman was complete trash.  I cannot fathom liking any Marvel film less than that.

Have you had a chance to see the Snyder cut of Justice League?

Not yet. 


It's weird; I was absolutely a DC kid growing up.  I subscribed to Green Lantern, Flash and Brave And The Bold.  I generally don't care for the presentation of the DC characters in the movies; they always seemed to be too rooted in the '30s (naive), or the '60s (camp) which isn't the period I really liked (I liked that '70s/'80's vibe).    I much prefer the MCU in total even though Dr. Strange (in retrospect) and Fantastic Four (to which I subscribed as well) are the only ones I paid attention to in real time.

But having said that, I liked Ben Affleck and Henry Cavill as Batman/Superman, and while the movie had problems (I still don't get that whole desert scene) I thought there were high points that made it a very enjoyable film for me.   I LIKE that sort of "miserable" Batman, that sort of almost-on-the-spectrum dedication of Batman to his obsession.   And it's specifically against IM2; I'm not a Gwyneth Paltrow fan, so when she's on screen, I yawn, and while I like Mickey Rourke a LOT, he was an odd one and done in this film. 
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: soupytwist on September 01, 2021, 08:31:32 AM
Fun Fact. It was Superhero theme day at work and I found a MARVEL T shirt for £3 in a charity shop. Better than wearing my uniform for a day!

But one guy arrived in the full batman outfit. And he had NO IDEA who Bruce Wayne was and has never seen a batman film or TV episode in his life.

:lolpalm: How do you never see at least one Batman film? Or not know who Bruce Wayne is ?!

Maybe he was just a fan of Only Fools and Horses.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 01, 2021, 10:51:20 AM
Batman v. Superman > Iron Man 2
I mean, I guess someone had to feel that way.

Growing up, I definitely liked the characters of Batman and Superman better than Iron Man.  But I thought Batman v Superman was complete trash.  I cannot fathom liking any Marvel film less than that.

Have you had a chance to see the Snyder cut of Justice League?

Not yet. 


It's weird; I was absolutely a DC kid growing up.  I subscribed to Green Lantern, Flash and Brave And The Bold.  I generally don't care for the presentation of the DC characters in the movies; they always seemed to be too rooted in the '30s (naive), or the '60s (camp) which isn't the period I really liked (I liked that '70s/'80's vibe).    I much prefer the MCU in total even though Dr. Strange (in retrospect) and Fantastic Four (to which I subscribed as well) are the only ones I paid attention to in real time.

But having said that, I liked Ben Affleck and Henry Cavill as Batman/Superman, and while the movie had problems (I still don't get that whole desert scene) I thought there were high points that made it a very enjoyable film for me.   I LIKE that sort of "miserable" Batman, that sort of almost-on-the-spectrum dedication of Batman to his obsession.   And it's specifically against IM2; I'm not a Gwyneth Paltrow fan, so when she's on screen, I yawn, and while I like Mickey Rourke a LOT, he was an odd one and done in this film.
I also liked the 70s/80s era of DC.  I loved Brave & The Bold!  Recently at a con here in Raleigh, I tracked down a couple of DC Blue Ribbon Digests.  Do you remember those?

I also like Affleck as Batman and Cavill as Supes.  Probably my favorite actors in those roles.  But I still hated that movie.  Snyder treated all of those characters and ideas with very little respect.  However, I admit that the Snyder Cut of JL is better than the theatrical release (although still not as good a film as, say, Wonder Woman).
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Stadler on September 01, 2021, 11:45:01 AM
I do remember!  I might even have a couple downstairs (though sadly most of my comics are not in good condition).
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 01, 2021, 12:05:35 PM
I always loved the Blue Ribbon Digest - Year's Best Comic Stories editions, which would collect the 10 most acclaimed single issue DC stories of the year.  They did that from I guess the mid 70s to the early 80s.  Great stuff.

Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: bosk1 on September 01, 2021, 12:39:57 PM
What, what's going on?  Sorry, I fell asleep when someone said "DC."
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 01, 2021, 12:48:18 PM
Sorry, boss.

Until J. Jonah Jameson proclaims the virtues of Spider-Man, MAKE MINE MARVEL!  'Nuff Said.

Excelsior!
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Vmadera00 on September 01, 2021, 04:29:53 PM
It's ok, the DC conversation will go away by tomorrow when we have some new stuff to talk about.

Growing up in the 90s, I did enjoyed DC stuff more than Marvel back then. At least comics and cartoons.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Kotowboy on September 04, 2021, 02:57:00 AM
I read a quote recently from Kevin Feige where he basically said they're going to slowly build up again to the big "New Avengers" movie...

Which is great. I was worried they'd try to do a DC and introduce maybe one or two new characters then do the ensemble immediately.

Plus they probably saw that didn't work at all for DC.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 07, 2021, 09:48:42 AM
I read a quote recently from Kevin Feige where he basically said they're going to slowly build up again to the big "New Avengers" movie...

Which is great. I was worried they'd try to do a DC and introduce maybe one or two new characters then do the ensemble immediately.

Plus they probably saw that didn't work at all for DC.
Well, even if they tried that, they would make it work better than DC.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on September 10, 2021, 09:33:43 PM
Four new dates for MCU films in 2024 have been announced, leaving us with 7 untitled MCU films from the rest of 2023 and all of 2024.

July 28th, 2023
October 6th, 2023
November 10th, 2023
February 16th, 2024
May 3rd, 2024
July 26th, 2024
November 8th, 2024

So far, there are 5 films without release dates yet - Blade, Fantastic Four, Deadpool 3, Captain America 4, and a Mutant-centric film. I suspect 2024 will see a Shang-Chi sequel, and the seventh film will be a team-uo/crossover film, probably the May 2024 release date.

The film on November 8th 2024 will be the 40th MCU film, in under 17 years.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: lonestar on September 13, 2021, 07:10:46 AM
Hawkeye trailer just dropped....


https://youtu.be/5VYb3B1ETlk (https://youtu.be/5VYb3B1ETlk)
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on September 13, 2021, 07:18:45 AM
Hawkeye trailer just dropped....


https://youtu.be/5VYb3B1ETlk (https://youtu.be/5VYb3B1ETlk)

YES!
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: The Letter M on September 13, 2021, 07:25:17 AM
Hawkeye trailer just dropped....


https://youtu.be/5VYb3B1ETlk (https://youtu.be/5VYb3B1ETlk)

Oh this looks GOOD. And Hailee Steinfeld is going to be fantastic! I'm enjoying their dynamic in just this trailer alone! The part that has me most curious is ROGERS the Musical. :lol

-Marc.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: jingle.boy on September 13, 2021, 07:48:12 AM
Hawkeye trailer just dropped....


https://youtu.be/5VYb3B1ETlk (https://youtu.be/5VYb3B1ETlk)

Oh this looks GOOD. And Hailee Steinfeld is going to be fantastic! I'm enjoying their dynamic in just this trailer alone! The part that has me most curious is ROGERS the Musical. :lol

-Marc.

That was the first thing that caught my eye!
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Adami on September 13, 2021, 07:50:23 AM
I really dig the tone. Has kind of an 80's/90's buddy cop vibe.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: kingshmegland on September 13, 2021, 10:22:28 AM
It's Die Hard 3 Marvel Style.  I like it!
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: Vmadera00 on September 13, 2021, 10:57:14 AM
Well, this looks fun
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 13, 2021, 12:16:27 PM
Hawkeye trailer just dropped....


https://youtu.be/5VYb3B1ETlk (https://youtu.be/5VYb3B1ETlk)
:metal
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
Post by: ariich on September 13, 2021, 11:39:47 PM
Rogers: The Musical! :lol