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Title: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: MinistroRaven on March 06, 2021, 10:36:21 AM
On March 6th, 1989, American progressive metal band Dream Theater released their debut studio album "When Dream and Day Unite", through Mechanic/MCA Records. The album is composed mainly of material that originally surfaced during the band's early years as Majesty, and it is the only Dream Theater album to be recorded with their full original lineup, as James LaBrie replaced Charlie Dominici as the lead vocalist on all subsequent albums.
🎉🎸🎶 Happy 32nd anniversary 🎶🎸🎉

I'm listening to this album to celebrate today!
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
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Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 06, 2021, 05:48:52 PM
The only criticism I can actually agree with is that the production is poor. It only takes a minute or two for my ears to adjust and to completely forget about it.

I love this album and almost everything about it. Sure, Charlie doesn't have the range or power James does but he has a really cool voice. It's even better when he sings in his natural range.

Only songs I don't like are Status Seeker and I'm lukewarm on Afterlife. I love the rest!
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 06, 2021, 07:14:04 PM
I guess itís song ranking time!

1: Afterlife
2: Only a Matter of Time
3: Ytse Jam
4: The Killing Hand
5: The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
6: A Fortune in Lies
7: Status Seeker
8: Light Fuse and Getaway

This is a great album (I mean Dream Theater doesnít really have a bad album) but there are definitely some glaring flaws, which is to be expected from a bandís first studio effort. The production is the most glaring flaw, but honestly it doesnít sound bad: just cheap. Terry Date did a great job with the limited budget, and thereís breathing room in the sound that certain more modern Dream Theater releases could benefit from (looking at you Systematic Chaos and self titled).

Next issue: the vocals. Now this isnít meant to be a knock on Charlie as he is a great singer, he just wasnít the right fit for the band. He did a great job on this album all things considered, but you can hear him straining on some notes that James hits effortlessly live. Both the band and Charlie agreed that them parting ways was for the best, and Iím glad that the limitations of Charlieís voice didnít hamper this album.

Final issue and maybe the least talked about one: the songwriting. Dream Theater hadnít quite refined their arrangement style yet, and there are some questionable transitions throughout this record. A Fortune in Lies, The Killing Hand, and Light Fuse and Getaway are the biggest offenders of this, but I still enjoy two of those three. There are songs like Afterlife, which benefits from sticking to a simpler structure, and Only a Matter of Time, which hints at what Dream Theater would be capable of in the near future (actually the next album). As a whole though, When Dream and Day Unite is the record of a band still finding their sound and style.

I know I talked about some of the problems the album has, but as I said I still think itís great and in the last paragraph I hinted at what I think itís biggest strength is. When Dream and Day Unite has a youthful energy to it. The band had just signed a record deal. They were excited to have their opportunity and naive to the flaws in the industry. This album reflects that perfectly. The energy in each song screams through the speakers. You can truly hear the sound of a band ready and excited for the future, but the world wasnít ready for them. Dream Theater invented a new subgenre and changed the prog scene forever. Sure most people didnít take notice until the next album, but the entire sound of progressive metal started here. And thatís where this albumís legacy lies: in bands like Haken, Periphery, Animals as Leaders, Between the Buried and Me, Opeth, and so many more modern progressive metal bands. The entire world of progressive rock as we know it today was shaped by the forgotten first album of one of the genres biggest bands. So letís celebrate When Dream and Day Unite, the launching point for the modern progressive world.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: pg1067 on March 06, 2021, 09:36:10 PM
I guess itís song ranking time!

1. The Killing Hand
2. Only a Matter of Time
3. Ytse Jam
4. Light Fuse and Get Away
5. Afterlife
6. A Fortune in Lies
7. Status Seeker
8. The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun

Production-wise, this album is probably DT's best when it comes to hearing JM, which is important to me.  The only real negative is Charlie.  I don't dislike any of the songs, but I will occasionally skip TOWHTSTS.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: KevShmev on March 06, 2021, 09:59:03 PM
I like this album quite a bit, even with the production being pretty raw and it not having JLB.  The songwriting was already pretty strong, and their musicianship was already ridiculous considering how young they were.  Plus, there was a youthful charm and exuberant energy to the music that they really couldn't capture when playing the songs years later (like on When Dream and Day Reunite, which sounds like a band playing an album because they have to, not because they were inspired to do so).

Song ranking (based on the WDADU versions):

1. Light Fuse and Get Away
2. Only a Matter of Time
3. Ytse Jam
4. A Fortune in Lies
5. Afterlife
6. The Killing Hand
7. The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
8. Status Seeker
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: kirksnosehair on March 07, 2021, 05:27:06 AM
I didn't discover Dream Theater until 1992, while I was living in Modesto, CA.  The other guitarist in my band at the time handed me a copy of Images & Words on cassette and said, "I know you hate keyboards in metal, but you really need to hear this group" and I almost blew it off because he was absolutely right, I really despised keyboards in metal.  To me, metal was guitar, bass, drums and vocals, full stop.


But after about 4 or 5 times through I&W they had won me over and I went on a mission to find anything else they had ever released and stumbled upon this album in a used record store so I bought it expecting to hear more of the same.  Imagine my surprise when I first listened to it and heard Charlie on vocals  :lol   I didn't care for it at first but multiple listened payed big dividends and to this day I still spin it from time to time, although I freely admit to having strong preference to the When Dream and Day Re-Unite version with LaBrie on vocals.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: Stadler on March 07, 2021, 08:49:45 AM
I agree with some, not all of what's said here.  I too got into DT with the original release of Images and Words and it BLEW ME AWAY.  It was so new (to me) and fresh (to me) at a time when I was really deep into what were, I guess, dinosaurs (other than Pearl Jam, who's first album was very 70's rock, I didn't then and mostly now don't get the "grunge" ethos) and this was new!    Iron Maiden, Rush and Journey all rolled up into a nice little ball!   Who could ask for more?

So WDADU was not that, and still isn't.  It's not, to me, a "great" album, and Charlie is not, to me, a "great" singer.  Pretty good, very good, maybe, but not "great". 

Why does everyone rate "Status Seeker" so low? The lyrics are a little cheesy, but I like the keyboard line and the backing vocals, and that's one of the songs that better fits Charlie's voice.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: Cool Chris on March 07, 2021, 10:34:48 AM
I too got into DT with the original release of Images and Words and it BLEW ME AWAY.  It was so new (to me) and fresh (to me) at a time when I was really deep into what were, I guess, dinosaurs...

Totally me. I was coming out of being in to anything and everything 80s pop, getting deep in to classic rock, and not enamored at all by grunge, which was engulfing my region. I heard PMU and thought 'This music is great...' and then got to "Watch the sparrow falling...." and was all 'THIS IS THE GREATEST THING I HAVE EVER HEARD!' I only heard about WDaDU many years later. Often wondered what my DT journey would have been like if I had heard this in real time.

Have not listened to this in a long, long time. Will make it a point to do so this week.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: Setlist Scotty on March 07, 2021, 11:08:43 AM
Hard to believe the album is 32 years old, which means in a few months it will have been 32 years since I picked it up. So yeah, WDaDU was my first DT album ever and therefore holds a special place in my heart. I'll always rank it far higher than the vast majority of people.

I can relate to what you guys are saying about the shock of hearing WDaDU after being super familiar with IaW, except for me, it was the other way around! I still remember the shock of IaW sounding nothing like WDaDU - and I don't mean just because they had a new vocalist. It took me some time to get used to their "new" sound with IaW since I had WDaDU deeply ingrained in me by then after listening to it repeatedly for 3 years. Yeah, the production on WDaDU leaves something to be desired, but it was all I knew and had nothing else to compare it to.
 
 
Why does everyone rate "Status Seeker" so low? The lyrics are a little cheesy, but I like the keyboard line and the backing vocals, and that's one of the songs that better fits Charlie's voice.
The one thing I don't like about it is the introduction which strikes me as cheesy. They at least remedied that when they played the song live during the Music in Progress tour. Other than that, for me there's nothing wrong with the song. In any case, I will always rate it higher than Afterlife which is the song I'm most likely to skip.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: pg1067 on March 07, 2021, 03:18:27 PM
Why does everyone rate "Status Seeker" so low? The lyrics are a little cheesy, but I like the keyboard line and the backing vocals, and that's one of the songs that better fits Charlie's voice.

I have it at #7, but the margins between 4-7 are really narrow.  It's just a less great song on an album full of great songs.  For me, it's the top 3, the next 4, and TOWHTSTS firmly at the bottom.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: HOF on March 07, 2021, 03:19:01 PM
I think Afterlife, Light Fuse and Get Away, and Only a Matter of Time are pretty cool. Status Seeker isnít bad and is probably the most appropriate song for Charlieís voice (he always sounded a lot like Geddy Lee to me on that song). Ytsejam is also pretty memorable.

I donít think itís controversial to say the production on this absolutely blows. Probably in the running for the worst sounding album I own. I still kind of think of it as more proto-DT than a proper DT album. Not really up to their standard of songwriting or recording, but you can see the talent there. Just needed the final touches of a vocalist on the same talent level of the rest of the band and a proper producer/sound engineer/recording budget.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: Peter Mc on March 07, 2021, 04:24:18 PM
Yeah, Iím also in the ďstarted with I&WĒ camp although I got into DT just after ACOS came out.  Saw a review of ACOS and went to buy it but couldnít find it on cassette so had no option other than to go with Images.  Absolutely loved it and eventually got everything.  Yes the production is not great, yes Charlie is a bit of a cheesy AOR style singer but, like others have said, there is still a lot to like and it still gets a fair amount of spins from me.  I also really enjoy it whenever DT has busted out these songs live over the years.  Itís a good album, a little rough around the edges and not a top tier DT release but still very enjoyable to me.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: HOF on March 07, 2021, 04:52:49 PM
Yeah, Iím also in the ďstarted with I&WĒ camp although I got into DT just after ACOS came out.  Saw a review of ACOS and went to buy it but couldnít find it on cassette so had no option other than to go with Images.  Absolutely loved it and eventually got everything.  Yes the production is not great, yes Charlie is a bit of a cheesy AOR style singer but, like others have said, there is still a lot to like and it still gets a fair amount of spins from me.  I also really enjoy it whenever DT has busted out these songs live over the years.  Itís a good album, a little rough around the edges and not a top tier DT release but still very enjoyable to me.

Their performance of Afterlife was tremendous on Score.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: Cool Chris on March 07, 2021, 05:35:12 PM
I can relate to what you guys are saying about the shock of hearing WDaDU after being super familiar with IaW, except for me, it was the other way around! I still remember the shock of IaW sounding nothing like WDaDU - and I don't mean just because they had a new vocalist. It took me some time to get used to their "new" sound with IaW since I had WDaDU deeply ingrained in me by then after listening to it repeatedly for 3 years.

That is along the lines of what I was wondering for myself. Pretty much all my favorite bands I came to somewhere in the middle of their careers. DT is the one that I jumped on closest to the onset. Most of my others started out earlier and I wouldn't have had any way of getting in to from the beginning. Which I suppose naturally shapes how I view each album in their respective calatogs.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: ytserush on March 07, 2021, 06:25:34 PM
Special album for me. Probably mentioned the details in most of the other threads about this album. It all started for me with The Spirit Of Rush Fanzine #8  from the Summer of 1989 which reprinted the Kerrang! review earlier in the year.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: Dream Team on March 08, 2021, 05:47:09 AM
I can relate to what you guys are saying about the shock of hearing WDaDU after being super familiar with IaW, except for me, it was the other way around! I still remember the shock of IaW sounding nothing like WDaDU - and I don't mean just because they had a new vocalist. It took me some time to get used to their "new" sound with IaW since I had WDaDU deeply ingrained in me by then after listening to it repeatedly for 3 years.

That is along the lines of what I was wondering for myself. Pretty much all my favorite bands I came to somewhere in the middle of their careers. DT is the one that I jumped on closest to the onset. Most of my others started out earlier and I wouldn't have had any way of getting in to from the beginning. Which I suppose naturally shapes how I view each album in their respective calatogs.

Same for me. I think of all my favorite bands Metallica is one of the very few where I heard the debut first - because I was THERE. Heart with Dreamboat Annie is the other. Oftentimes debuts are obscure and/or on Indie labels which makes them much less available.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 08, 2021, 09:46:27 AM
The production isn't good, the vocals REALLY aren't good, and a lot of the songwriting/lyrics suffers from being amateurish (to be expected on a first album).  My favorite song is easily Ytse Jam.

I have it ranked last.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: HOF on March 08, 2021, 12:17:10 PM
The production isn't good, the vocals REALLY aren't good, and a lot of the songwriting/lyrics suffers from being amateurish (to be expected on a first album).


All of this is true and yet and Iíd rather listen to it than anything since Octavarium (and maybe over TOT as well).
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: JiM-Xtreme on March 08, 2021, 01:35:17 PM
This album rocks.  :hefdaddy

It's quite underrated amongst the fanbase in my opinion. For a bunch of kids, which they were at the time, the musicianship is really strong and the songwriting... just wow. This is a band that clearly wasn't interested in playing to trends, and I think that shows they must have had a lot of conviction in what they were doing, given that nobody really knew who they were at this point. And I must echo what a couple of you already said about youthful energy, this album is overflowing with it!

If anyone out there is put off by the production of the studio album and hasn't listened to the Re-Unite version, please stop what you are doing right now and find a copy...!! Although I wouldn't necessarily go so far as to call that performance the "definitive" version of the album, it certainly makes you appreciate how strong the songs were and still are.

Highlights for me are Ytse Jam, The Killing Hand and Only A Matter Of Time.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: Robo4900 on March 08, 2021, 05:01:53 PM
Great album.

Charlie was never a perfect fit for the band, with songs like The Killing Hand especially showing this, but the songwriting is great. The production isn't great, but the mix isn't bad. John Myung is consistently far more audible than he was on the last three Portnoy era albums. In fact, I think you can pretty consistently hear everything going on, the recording quality just isn't great, so the overall sound just isn't very good. I would be very curious to see what a proper remaster could sound like these days. But, for a million reasons, you're better off listening to/watching When Dream And Day Reunite. It's just a better version of the album. It also has that amazing encore! :metal

I wish DT played more songs off WDADU these days. Killing Hand would fucking kick ass. Either with the original intro, or with the Another Hand jam they used to replace it with on the I&W (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL51-zSUaSE), pre-FII (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Dk95Iy4QU), and Six Degrees (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoBLIvUERds) tours.

I'm also a fan of the way DT used to play Mission Impossible as an intro to Afterlife on the I&W tour (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8Xfn6l8jfI), and the way they briefly brought back the Majesty song March of the Tyrant as an outro to Only A Matter Of Time on the European leg of the I&W tour (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8IMHZwJYKg). They also used to do a cool jam intro to Status Seeker (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJEjNGTtGM0) on that tour.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 09, 2021, 06:41:55 AM
The production isn't good, the vocals REALLY aren't good, and a lot of the songwriting/lyrics suffers from being amateurish (to be expected on a first album).


All of this is true and yet and Iíd rather listen to it than anything since Octavarium (and maybe over TOT as well).
Well, I can't understand that in any way, but I don't have to.  Tastes are subjective.  Enjoy!
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: Dublagent66 on March 11, 2021, 10:48:01 AM
Uh, Majesty is 35+ years.  WDADU is 32 years.  I don't think it's bad a album but then again I never listen to it on a regular basis either.  I guess it's one of those "I can take it or leave it kinda things."
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: Herrick on March 16, 2021, 04:51:04 PM
A Fortune In Lies is one of my favorite DT songs  :metal

Overall, I think the first album is Solid but it's towards the bottom for Herrick.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: darkshade on March 17, 2021, 08:41:15 AM
Wait, isn't this album 32 years old?
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: pg1067 on March 17, 2021, 10:07:26 AM
Wait, isn't this album 32 years old?

Look two posts above yours.
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Post by: jammindude on March 26, 2021, 11:00:42 PM
In celebration of the 32nd Anniversary of "When Dream And Day Unite", I have uploaded the entire 15th Anniversary concert recorded back on March 6th, 2004, including the entire 1st set that I presume many haven't heard:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnK-rGX4RQM&list=PL5IntD7TLCAgNu6AIHcxIlM7BAgA6UPnI

Personally its one of my favorite albums by DT, I know it gets a ton of flak and is usually ranked at the bottom for many fans, but there are some killer tracks and moments throughout this entire album. This is a pretty challenging album to learn (at least for me on bass), but I wish I had gotten the chance the see any of these songs live, too bad I was too young to see them back in those days. But hopefully everyone here can take a moment to listen back to this album, even if its not your favorite.

Top Tracks for me:
1). Light Fuse And Get Away
2). The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun
3). Only A Matter Of Time

Nice to see TOWHTSTS get some love. Thatís my personal #1 from the album.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: LudwigVan on March 27, 2021, 01:17:17 AM
Love this album. 

Yes it sounds raw and amateurish, but the energy/enthusiasm comes through in a way that makes it unique when compared to the rest of their albums.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: ytserush on March 27, 2021, 07:21:09 PM
Love this album. 

Yes it sounds raw and amateurish, but the energy/enthusiasm comes through in a way that makes it unique when compared to the rest of their albums.

What he said!
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 27, 2021, 08:45:26 PM
Loved it from the first time I heard it and I love it now
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: Super Dude on April 18, 2021, 06:23:41 AM
It's not my favorite album, but it's got some solid tracks on it. Actually, I think the only track I don't at least tolerate is Status Seeker. I like most of the rest well enough.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: IgnotusPerIgnotium on April 19, 2021, 12:33:18 PM
I remember this was one of the last albums I purchased just to have a collection back in the day..I mean I had a thing of collecting everything of DT, even singles..

Anyway, some of the songs I heard them for the first time in the Live in Tokyo DVD and then in the Live at the Marquee. I still love tracks like Light Fuse and Get Away and Only a Matter of Time, as well as Status Seeker.

I would be very happy if one day they would bring them back..I mean they brought back Space Dye Vest but not Light Fuse and Get Away..what a crime!
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Post by: bosk1 on April 19, 2021, 10:28:00 PM
Don't love it.  But the band was REALLY smart to have done that anniversary show and put out WDADRU so fans could gain exposure to these songs.  I probably would never have paid attention to most of them otherwise.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: gzarruk on April 20, 2021, 11:53:53 AM
I'm going through the whole DT studio catalog again, so I started with WDADU last night. Still not one of my favorites nor one of their best, but I enjoyed it A LOT :metal :metal :metal This album is much better than what people give it credit for.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 21, 2021, 11:21:57 PM
Don't love it.  But the band was REALLY smart to have done that anniversary show and put out WDADRU so fans could gain exposure to these songs.  I probably would never have paid attention to most of them otherwise.

While I do not enjoy Status Seeker on the album, I don't know why. I quite enjoy the WDADRU version of it.

I also, prefer the studio version of Light Fuse and Get Away over the WDADRU version. Charlies voice really fits in this song, Status Seeker, Afterlife, and Only A Matter of Time.

My first taste of a song from this album is Only A Matter of Time from Budakon.

Honestly, Live at Budakon is actually a great live album to introduce Dream Theater.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: Stadler on April 22, 2021, 11:21:00 AM
I'm listening to When Dream And Day Reunite now, and I forgot how good this was.  Holy mackerel.

By the way I LOVE Status Seeker; I love that keyboard intro.  It's not very "Dream Theater" as we later came to know it, but I love that sound.
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Post by: Dedalus on April 22, 2021, 02:23:07 PM
I'm listening to When Dream And Day Reunite now, and I forgot how good this was.  Holy mackerel.

By the way I LOVE Status Seeker; I love that keyboard intro.  It's not very "Dream Theater" as we later came to know it, but I love that sound.

 :tup :tup :tup

We are two then
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Post by: Setlist Scotty on April 22, 2021, 07:17:26 PM
And I am not with you two. That's the only thing that brings that song down, IMO. Much prefer the reworked version they played on the Music in Progress tour.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: Trav86 on April 22, 2021, 07:20:44 PM
I'm listening to When Dream And Day Reunite now, and I forgot how good this was.  Holy mackerel.

By the way I LOVE Status Seeker; I love that keyboard intro.  It's not very "Dream Theater" as we later came to know it, but I love that sound.

 :tup :tup :tup

We are two then

Itís probably my favorite track on the album.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: bosk1 on April 22, 2021, 08:36:37 PM
I have always liked Status Seeker.  I put it somewhere in the middle of the album.  Only ones I really don't like off the top of my head are TOWHTSTS and Afterlife.
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Post by: Cool Chris on April 22, 2021, 09:26:39 PM
Don't love it.  But the band was REALLY smart to have done that anniversary show and put out WDADRU so fans could gain exposure to these songs.  I probably would never have paid attention to most of them otherwise.

Definitely. Even if it gained a few fans, it was a bold decision. I know Mike said on commentary that it might have put some fans at the show off, which is fair. If I was at the show, not having been familiar with that album at all, I do not know how I would have reacted.

My first taste of a song from this album is Only A Matter of Time from Budakon.

Might have been for me as well. I honestly do not know how I was introduced to WD&DU but I know it was past 2000. 
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Post by: kirksnosehair on April 23, 2021, 11:08:09 AM
I gave this a listen this morning at the gym.  It's not an album I revisit all that often but I always enjoy it when I do.
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Post by: Super Dude on April 24, 2021, 08:36:17 AM
I have always liked Status Seeker.  I put it somewhere in the middle of the album.  Only ones I really don't like off the top of my head are TOWHTSTS and Afterlife.

It's funny because Status Seeker is my all-time least favorite DT song from the MP era, while TOWHTSTS is among my favorites. :P
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: Trav86 on April 24, 2021, 09:33:12 AM
TOWHTSTS is the one I assume is my least favorite. Then I listen to it, and itís badass. Especially the intro and the guitar solo section.  I canít pick a least favorite. I love every song on this album.  I donít go back to this album often, but when I do it gets repeat listens. Then I dig out the WDADU demos and I just get sucked into this whole era.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: Architeuthis on April 24, 2021, 01:35:06 PM
I have still never heard this studio album to this day, and I've been hooked on DT since Images and Words. I have the live version on dvd with JLB, but I never got around to ordering the album.
I need to quit being a jerk and order a copy.

Since I haven't heard the album yet, the only flaw I can see is the artwork cover.  Cringeworthy.  :lol
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: Elite on April 25, 2021, 10:53:05 AM
My first taste of a song from this album is Only A Matter of Time from Budakon.

That oneís a great performance indeed!
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: gzarruk on April 25, 2021, 11:18:21 AM
My first taste of a song from this album is Only A Matter of Time from Budakon.

That oneís a great performance indeed!

That one and TKH Live at the Marquee  :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: Elite on April 25, 2021, 02:32:16 PM
Live at the Marquee may very well be my favourite DT live release..  :|

But that's maybe also mostly because it's short. Scenes From New York and Score are great too, but I'll never have time to listen to those in one sitting, whereas Marquee basically fits in my morning commute.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: IgnotusPerIgnotium on April 27, 2021, 05:56:15 AM
While we talk about live albums from that era, are you guys familiar with the Osaka Samurai CD? I was fortunate enough to get it many years ago and it basically has the entire I&W plus some great songs from WDADU like Another Hand/The Killing Hand and Only a Matter of Time. This release is easily in my top 3 live albums of the band!
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 27, 2021, 10:10:01 AM
While we talk about live albums from that era, are you guys familiar with the Osaka Samurai CD? I was fortunate enough to get it many years ago and it basically has the entire I&W plus some great songs from WDADU like Another Hand/The Killing Hand and Only a Matter of Time. This release is easily in my top 3 live albums of the band!
Sounds like a bootleg, so not a real band release.  But no, I've never heard of it.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: pg1067 on April 27, 2021, 11:12:02 AM
While we talk about live albums from that era, are you guys familiar with the Osaka Samurai CD? I was fortunate enough to get it many years ago and it basically has the entire I&W plus some great songs from WDADU like Another Hand/The Killing Hand and Only a Matter of Time. This release is easily in my top 3 live albums of the band!
Sounds like a bootleg, so not a real band release.  But no, I've never heard of it.

I've never heard of it either, but it sounds like one of many bootlegs from the I&W tour -- e.g., this one, https://dreamtheater.fandom.com/wiki/New_York_City_3/4/93 , which I received a copy of on cassette via *Prodigy sometime in mid-1993, and which was later released as an "official bootleg" through Ytse Jam Records.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 27, 2021, 12:34:17 PM
While we talk about live albums from that era, are you guys familiar with the Osaka Samurai CD? I was fortunate enough to get it many years ago and it basically has the entire I&W plus some great songs from WDADU like Another Hand/The Killing Hand and Only a Matter of Time. This release is easily in my top 3 live albums of the band!
Sounds like a bootleg, so not a real band release.  But no, I've never heard of it.

I've never heard of it either, but it sounds like one of many bootlegs from the I&W tour -- e.g., this one, https://dreamtheater.fandom.com/wiki/New_York_City_3/4/93 , which I received a copy of on cassette via *Prodigy sometime in mid-1993, and which was later released as an "official bootleg" through Ytse Jam Records.
Yeah, I had that one under a different name before the Official Bootleg was released.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: IgnotusPerIgnotium on April 27, 2021, 01:50:22 PM
I've never heard of it either, but it sounds like one of many bootlegs from the I&W tour -- e.g., this one, https://dreamtheater.fandom.com/wiki/New_York_City_3/4/93 , which I received a copy of on cassette via *Prodigy sometime in mid-1993, and which was later released as an "official bootleg" through Ytse Jam Records.
Another great live too. Honestly it might be better than the one I mentioned! I mean it has Eve and A Change of Seasons..that's incredible!

As for the Osaka Samurai this is the album and the tracklist, https://www.discogs.com/Dream-Theater-Osaka-Samurai/release/7380191
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: Setlist Scotty on April 27, 2021, 03:13:45 PM
Looks like it's one of the soundboard recordings included in the Forbidden Dreams bootleg set, which also includes another show from their 1993 run through Japan (from the same leg of the show featured on Live in Tokyo). The sound on those 3 recordings is absolutely killer and I can imagine might have been released as part of the official bootleg series if they hadn't already gotten into circulation.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: pg1067 on April 27, 2021, 03:16:46 PM
I've never heard of it either, but it sounds like one of many bootlegs from the I&W tour -- e.g., this one, https://dreamtheater.fandom.com/wiki/New_York_City_3/4/93 , which I received a copy of on cassette via *Prodigy sometime in mid-1993, and which was later released as an "official bootleg" through Ytse Jam Records.
Another great live too. Honestly it might be better than the one I mentioned! I mean it has Eve and A Change of Seasons..that's incredible!

As for the Osaka Samurai this is the album and the tracklist, https://www.discogs.com/Dream-Theater-Osaka-Samurai/release/7380191

Yeah...with the obvious exception of the demo tracks, that's the same set list as when I saw them twice in November 1992, which makes sense since the two shows I saw bookended the band's three show trip to Japan.

I also have this one:  https://www.last.fm/music/Dream+Theater/Majestic+Harmonies

They must have been seriously wiped:  Tuesday, Nov. 10 in San Francisco, Wednesday, Nov. 11 in San Jose, Thursday, Nov. 12 in Westminster (the first show I saw), Friday, Nov. 13 in West Hollywood, Tuesday through Thursday, Nov. 17-19 in Japan (the 11/19 show is the one recorded for your boot), then Monday through Wednesday, Nov. 23-25 in San Diego, Phoenix and El Paso.  They got Thanksgiving off but were back at it the following Friday and Saturday in OKC and Dallas.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: pg1067 on April 27, 2021, 03:20:56 PM
Looks like it's one of the soundboard recordings included in the Forbidden Dreams bootleg set, which also includes another show from their 1993 run through Japan (from the same leg of the show featured on Live in Tokyo). The sound on those 3 recordings is absolutely killer and I can imagine might have been released as part of the official bootleg series if they hadn't already gotten into circulation.

I think the one that Ignotus mentioned is from the November 19, 1992 show, whereas Live in Tokyo is from August 1993 (with the differences being that they switched up the WDADU songs, swapped out Moon Bubbles for Puppies on Acid, and added TLF and Eve).  Isn't that right?
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: Setlist Scotty on April 27, 2021, 03:32:16 PM
Looks like it's one of the soundboard recordings included in the Forbidden Dreams bootleg set, which also includes another show from their 1993 run through Japan (from the same leg of the show featured on Live in Tokyo). The sound on those 3 recordings is absolutely killer and I can imagine might have been released as part of the official bootleg series if they hadn't already gotten into circulation.
I think the one that Ignotus mentioned is from the November 19, 1992 show, whereas Live in Tokyo is from August 1993 (with the differences being that they switched up the WDADU songs, swapped out Moon Bubbles for Puppies on Acid, and added TLF and Eve).  Isn't that right?
No - I know what show Ignotus is referring to. I'm just commenting that in the Forbidden Dreams bootleg (which is a collection of 3 Japanese shows), not only is there the 1992/11/19 show, but *also* one of the shows they did on their second run through Japan - can't remember if it's the show from August 23 or 28 (there are soundboard recordings circulating of both shows). But yeah, like almost all the shows they did on Images and Tour/Music in Progress, they played all of IaW and 3 tracks from WDaDU and changed up some live-only instrumental pieces, depending on the leg of the tour.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 28, 2021, 07:32:47 AM
Looks like it's one of the soundboard recordings included in the Forbidden Dreams bootleg set, which also includes another show from their 1993 run through Japan (from the same leg of the show featured on Live in Tokyo). The sound on those 3 recordings is absolutely killer and I can imagine might have been released as part of the official bootleg series if they hadn't already gotten into circulation.
OK.  I have Forbidden Dreams somewhere.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: bosk1 on April 28, 2021, 09:56:32 AM
I think I do too.  I remember having so much fun collecting DT bootlegs back in the day.  Then it just got to a point where it was overwhelming and started feeling like a chore.  I have them all in a box.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 28, 2021, 12:17:18 PM
I think I do too.  I remember having so much fun collecting DT bootlegs back in the day.  Then it just got to a point where it was overwhelming and started feeling like a chore.  I have them all in a box.
Same.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: kingshmegland on April 28, 2021, 01:14:58 PM
I think I do too.  I remember having so much fun collecting DT bootlegs back in the day.  Then it just got to a point where it was overwhelming and started feeling like a chore.  I have them all in a box.
Same.

I was so insane with every Rush tour that I had audio bootlegs and video bootlegs.  Nothing more insane than buying a VCR tape for $25 for a single camera, crappy audio of a concert.  Oh, and I had to pay to get in to buy these bootlegs.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: ytserush on May 08, 2021, 06:53:22 PM
I think I do too.  I remember having so much fun collecting DT bootlegs back in the day.  Then it just got to a point where it was overwhelming and started feeling like a chore.  I have them all in a box.
Same.

I was so insane with every Rush tour that I had audio bootlegs and video bootlegs.  Nothing more insane than buying a VCR tape for $25 for a single camera, crappy audio of a concert.  Oh, and I had to pay to get in to buy these bootlegs.

Those were the days....
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: nick_z on June 14, 2021, 02:36:48 PM
LOVE When Dream and Day Unite! All of the usual appreciation for the youthful energy and enthusiasm apply here, but above all I still think it's a fantastic collection of creative, varied and exciting metal songs. Obviously it doesn't sound as "mature" as I&W (funny to use that word for a sophomore effort) but I have always enjoyed it so much. The production is what it is, but it doesn't really bother me. And while the vocals can't touch prime JLB, they actually work ok for the songs.

I always thought that while I&W brought a bit of AOR influence in the progressive + metal mix (in the best possible way), WDADU was really the record where Rush were jamming with some of the more adventurous metal bands of the 80s, to come up with something quite unique. A Fortune in Lies and Killing Hand are probably my favorite (KH's version on Live at the Marquee probably even better - not so much, or not only, because of James' vocals, but thanks to Another Hand as the intro...). Ytse Jam is always a fun one, and I would agree with the Status Seeker's appreciation comments: such a cool intro and overall song. Interestingly enough, Only a Matter of Time was an early favorite, but I do find its busy vocal lines a bit much these days. Still like it, though. As I do the rest of "side B".

Bottom line - still a big fan!
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: ytserush on June 19, 2021, 04:00:13 PM
LOVE When Dream and Day Unite! All of the usual appreciation for the youthful energy and enthusiasm apply here, but above all I still think it's a fantastic collection of creative, varied and exciting metal songs. Obviously it doesn't sound as "mature" as I&W (funny to use that word for a sophomore effort) but I have always enjoyed it so much. The production is what it is, but it doesn't really bother me. And while the vocals can't touch prime JLB, they actually work ok for the songs.

I always thought that while I&W brought a bit of AOR influence in the progressive + metal mix (in the best possible way), WDADU was really the record where Rush were jamming with some of the more adventurous metal bands of the 80s, to come up with something quite unique. A Fortune in Lies and Killing Hand are probably my favorite (KH's version on Live at the Marquee probably even better - not so much, or not only, because of James' vocals, but thanks to Another Hand as the intro...). Ytse Jam is always a fun one, and I would agree with the Status Seeker's appreciation comments: such a cool intro and overall song. Interestingly enough, Only a Matter of Time was an early favorite, but I do find its busy vocal lines a bit much these days. Still like it, though. As I do the rest of "side B".

Bottom line - still a big fan!

That album made an impression on me from the get go and arrived at the perfect time in my world.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on June 20, 2021, 08:58:22 AM
I got WDADU sometime in 2004 between April (show 1) and August (show 2). It was about a year after I got into the band. I remember knowing the titles to the songs and recognizing the title "Light Fuse and Get Away" when they played it in Boston that year. Little did I know that that was only the fourth (and last) time they'd played it with JLB. That's a night I wish I could re-live (although the bootleg kinda lets me).

Then I was familiar with the album when they played "A Fortune In Lies" in Worcester. It was one of the best songs of the night. No boot for this show exists though.

Now I love it any time they play stuff from this album. Getting Ytsejam in 2011, and Afterlife in 2006 (in CT and NYC), I've only seen half the album live. Still waiting on TKH and OaMoT, two of my favorite DT songs ever.

Interesting local tour fact: Afterlife is the only song from the album not ever played in Boston/MA. I'm lucky to have seen it twice!

EDIT: The lack of WDaDU in the setlist in the last decade makes me sad. No songs played stateside since 2012, if I remember correctly. I hope they bring at least one track out next tour!
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: ReaPsTA on June 20, 2021, 07:20:00 PM
EDIT: The lack of WDaDU in the setlist in the last decade makes me sad. No songs played stateside since 2012, if I remember correctly. I hope they bring at least one track out next tour!

The DT fanbase now is all long-time fans and internet kids. Those songs would kill
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: KevShmev on June 20, 2021, 07:57:20 PM
Random thing: I was a local vinyl shop this weekend and they actually had a copy of When Dream and Day Unite.  I am trying to keep my vinyl collection to either major favorites and/or ones with really awesome covers.  Even though I like the DT debut a lot, that cover is not good, so I couldn't pull the trigger.  And that was not going to be only one of two DT albums I own on vinyl (I currently have Awake, still hoping to get I&W and Scenes).
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on June 20, 2021, 09:01:20 PM
Random thing: I was a local vinyl shop this weekend and they actually had a copy of When Dream and Day Unite.  I am trying to keep my vinyl collection to either major favorites and/or ones with really awesome covers.  Even though I like the DT debut a lot, that cover is not good, so I couldn't pull the trigger.  And that was not going to be only one of two DT albums I own on vinyl (I currently have Awake, still hoping to get I&W and Scenes).

How much? And do you wanna pick that up for me? :D
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: ytserush on June 26, 2021, 07:28:23 PM
Random thing: I was a local vinyl shop this weekend and they actually had a copy of When Dream and Day Unite.  I am trying to keep my vinyl collection to either major favorites and/or ones with really awesome covers.  Even though I like the DT debut a lot, that cover is not good, so I couldn't pull the trigger.  And that was not going to be only one of two DT albums I own on vinyl (I currently have Awake, still hoping to get I&W and Scenes).

Original or one of the many reissues that seem to be around?
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 27, 2021, 02:37:24 PM
Random thing: I was a local vinyl shop this weekend and they actually had a copy of When Dream and Day Unite.  I am trying to keep my vinyl collection to either major favorites and/or ones with really awesome covers.  Even though I like the DT debut a lot, that cover is not good, so I couldn't pull the trigger.  And that was not going to be only one of two DT albums I own on vinyl (I currently have Awake, still hoping to get I&W and Scenes).
Original or one of the many reissues that seem to be around?
Of WDaDU on vinyl?!? Not that it matters to me since I don't collect vinyl, but this is the first I've ever heard of there being reissues of that album on vinyl.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: James Mypetgiress on June 29, 2021, 01:08:24 PM
Random thing: I was a local vinyl shop this weekend and they actually had a copy of When Dream and Day Unite.  I am trying to keep my vinyl collection to either major favorites and/or ones with really awesome covers.  Even though I like the DT debut a lot, that cover is not good, so I couldn't pull the trigger.  And that was not going to be only one of two DT albums I own on vinyl (I currently have Awake, still hoping to get I&W and Scenes).
Original or one of the many reissues that seem to be around?
Of WDaDU on vinyl?!? Not that it matters to me since I don't collect vinyl, but this is the first I've ever heard of there being reissues of that album on vinyl.

There was a Music on Vinyl re-release of it back in 2018, around a similar time to the other early DT stuff, I believe. I found out a couple years ago that the label has a kinda bad rep for using digital sources, so a lot of vinyl snobs hate them. WDADU never got an Enjoy the Ride re-press like most others did, tho
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: SebastiŠn Pratesi on July 17, 2021, 12:45:42 AM
I finally gave the album a chance and bought a copy on CD.

"Only A Matter Of Time" is too good. It's crazy that the band haven't played the song in over 15 years. They should include it on the next setlist, it would make a killer encore.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: Max Kuehnau on July 17, 2021, 03:51:55 AM
I finally gave the album a chance and bought a copy on CD.

"Only A Matter Of Time" is too good. It's crazy that the band haven't played the song in over 15 years. They should include it on the next setlist, it would make a killer encore.
According to John, they planned to do it in 2014 for the Along For The Ride Tour, but there was no time left in the set for it.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: DTwwbwMP on July 31, 2021, 07:48:26 PM
Three thoughts.......
1) Really love the songs
2) NOT a fan of Dominici' vocals
3) Production very weak

Real captain obvious observations there, huh? :rollin
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: JLa on August 01, 2021, 02:18:29 PM
Is this the only DT album without a "ballad"?
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: pg1067 on August 01, 2021, 02:36:36 PM
Is this the only DT album without a "ballad"?

I guess it depends on how you define "ballad."  I would say TOT doesn't have one.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: JLa on August 01, 2021, 02:38:10 PM
Is this the only DT album without a "ballad"?

I guess it depends on how you define "ballad."  I would say TOT doesn't have one.
Mellow song ... "Vacant"?
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: pg1067 on August 01, 2021, 02:39:05 PM
Is this the only DT album without a "ballad"?

I guess it depends on how you define "ballad."  I would say TOT doesn't have one.
Mellow song ... "Vacant"?

Well...that's why the definition is important, and I understand that a lot (and maybe even most) would regard Vacant as a ballad.
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: Max Kuehnau on August 01, 2021, 02:49:35 PM
Is this the only DT album without a "ballad"?
the way I see it, yes, to date, this is the only album without a ballad. (unless A View would turn out to be another album without one of course, which I don't know yet.)
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: darkshade on August 01, 2021, 03:40:30 PM
Is this the only DT album without a "ballad"?

I guess it depends on how you define "ballad."  I would say TOT doesn't have one.
Mellow song ... "Vacant"?

Well...that's why the definition is important, and I understand that a lot (and maybe even most) would regard Vacant as a ballad.

I don't think Vacant is a ballad.

I don't think there's any ballads on Awake, SDoIT, and Systematic Chaos either. I don't consider Space Dye Vest or Disappear (or Goodnight Kiss section of SDoIT) to be ballads.

Ballads for me are: Another Day, Anna Lee, Through Her Eyes, The Answer Lies Within, Wither, Beneath The Surface, Along For The Ride, etc...
Title: Re: When Dream and Day Unite - 35 Years on...
Post by: RoeDent on August 02, 2021, 10:41:05 AM
Why is the thread called "35 Years On"?

As someone who is as old as WDADU is I am deeply offended that you've added 3 years to my life that I haven't lived yet.