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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Mladen on February 19, 2021, 10:41:56 AM
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If this isn't worth a thread, feel free to close it, I won't mind. I'd also apologize for the dumb thread. :lol
But I have just now, after almost 15 years, heard the voice that says "Isn't this where we came in?" before LaBrie starts singing in the Full circle section. I'm not sure if it's directly sampled from Roger Waters or is ist a band member, but damn, whichever way it is, that is so cool! I've been aware of all the many nuggets and cool bits throughout the song and the entire album, but somehow I've missed this one.
Is this a common knowledge? I assume it is. If someone else is hearing it for the first time, I'm happy to share the joy. ;D
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It was for me because I was in High School and the nuggets were a thing for me and my friends. Especially the 5's, 8's, and 3's....when those numbers would pop up a lot we would go..."Ahhh...Nuggets" :lol
What I like about that part is when it appears. When we are trapped in the 8vm, its like the artwork with the Octagon. we enter the Octavarium and then realize..."Isn't this where we came in" and then the lyrics go on to mention all these musical nuggets by connecting the words with one of my favorite creative writing ideas, linking words (Like Wheel of Fortunes Before and After category) it's why I like that section in Strangers In Your Soul as well (I made it my ringtone one time).
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I thought it was common knowledge, although I thought the voice said something slightly different. What does it have to do with Roger Waters?
In any event, there was a very brief time when I edited Wikipedia articles, and this was one I did some work on -- particularly the full circle section.
The other one that I think is cool is during the "Intervals" section where MP runs through the scale degrees (root, first, second, . . . octave) as JLB sings a line that refers to each song on the album. I understand a clip from each song also plays in the background, but I've never been able to hear them.
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I thought it was common knowledge, although I thought the voice said something slightly different. What does it have to do with Roger Waters?
In any event, there was a very brief time when I edited Wikipedia articles, and this was one I did some work on -- particularly the full circle section.
The other one that I think is cool is during the "Intervals" section where MP runs through the scale degrees (root, first, second, . . . octave) as JLB sings a line that refers to each song on the album. I understand a clip from each song also plays in the background, but I've never been able to hear them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcfO_UGxqhU
The Wall starts with "We came in" and ends with "Isn't this where", forming the phrase "Isn't this where we came in" if you loop the album.
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It was for me because I was in High School and the nuggets were a thing for me and my friends. Especially the 5's, 8's, and 3's....when those numbers would pop up a lot we would go..."Ahhh...Nuggets" :lol
What I like about that part is when it appears. When we are trapped in the 8vm, its like the artwork with the Octagon. we enter the Octavarium and then realize..."Isn't this where we came in" and then the lyrics go on to mention all these musical nuggets by connecting the words with one of my favorite creative writing ideas, linking words (Like Wheel of Fortunes Before and After category) it's why I like that section in Strangers In Your Soul as well (I made it my ringtone one time).
WOW - sounds like the very definition of a concept album to me. :hat
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It was for me because I was in High School and the nuggets were a thing for me and my friends. Especially the 5's, 8's, and 3's....when those numbers would pop up a lot we would go..."Ahhh...Nuggets" :lol
What I like about that part is when it appears. When we are trapped in the 8vm, its like the artwork with the Octagon. we enter the Octavarium and then realize..."Isn't this where we came in" and then the lyrics go on to mention all these musical nuggets by connecting the words with one of my favorite creative writing ideas, linking words (Like Wheel of Fortunes Before and After category) it's why I like that section in Strangers In Your Soul as well (I made it my ringtone one time).
WOW - sounds like the very definition of a concept album to me. :hat
:lol
It is very thematic at that. Even the artwork plays with this concept. Like the octopus. Me and my friends had a field day with it...
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I knew about it.......but it's always nice to discover nuggets like that. even after years.
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I thought it was common knowledge, although I thought the voice said something slightly different. What does it have to do with Roger Waters?
In any event, there was a very brief time when I edited Wikipedia articles, and this was one I did some work on -- particularly the full circle section.
The other one that I think is cool is during the "Intervals" section where MP runs through the scale degrees (root, first, second, . . . octave) as JLB sings a line that refers to each song on the album. I understand a clip from each song also plays in the background, but I've never been able to hear them.
Side bar, I still occasionally edit Wiki articles. Drives me crazy when they read like press releases or pseudo-intellectual nonsense. I spent a good hour the other week editing like five album pages from... I think it was Saga.
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I thought it was common knowledge, although I thought the voice said something slightly different. What does it have to do with Roger Waters?
In any event, there was a very brief time when I edited Wikipedia articles, and this was one I did some work on -- particularly the full circle section.
The other one that I think is cool is during the "Intervals" section where MP runs through the scale degrees (root, first, second, . . . octave) as JLB sings a line that refers to each song on the album. I understand a clip from each song also plays in the background, but I've never been able to hear them.
Side bar, I still occasionally edit Wiki articles. Drives me crazy when they read like press releases or pseudo-intellectual nonsense. I spent a good hour the other week editing like five album pages from... I think it was Saga.
I think the thing that drove me away was that a simple concept -- "minor scale," I believe -- was defined with reference to about six different terms of art that wouldn't be understood by any non-musician seeking basic information about this basic term. I posted on the talk page about excessive use of jargon and was quickly pummeled into submission. Just not worth it to deal with that sort of thing.
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The other one that I think is cool is during the "Intervals" section where MP runs through the scale degrees (root, first, second, . . . octave) as JLB sings a line that refers to each song on the album.
Mike's parts don't add any enjoyment to me, but I do highly appreciate what they did with the main lyrics in that part. That is some great writing.
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I remember when this album came out and the MP forum was all in a tizzy about Teh Nuggetz but honestly don’t think I ever picked up on any of them. I don’t recall hearing the Roger Waters thing but then again I wouldn’t have known what it was anyway (never listened to The Wall).
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I've always misheard it as "just medicate me" spoken very fast. I'll have to go & check now. :lolpalm:
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The other one that I think is cool is during the "Intervals" section where MP runs through the scale degrees (root, first, second, . . . octave) as JLB sings a line that refers to each song on the album. I understand a clip from each song also plays in the background, but I've never been able to hear them.
I love that part, there are also little musical snippets from those particular songs behind every verse respectively. I am stunned that there are so many nuggets that I've been aware of for years, yet the "Isn't this where we came in?" completely went over my head. :lol
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I wasn't even aware of that nugget on The Wall, after countless listens, thanks for sharing! (I had to listen really closely, with headphones, to spot it, even now, after I knew it was there.)
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I remember when this album came out and the MP forum was all in a tizzy about Teh Nuggetz but honestly don’t think I ever picked up on any of them. I don’t recall hearing the Roger Waters thing but then again I wouldn’t have known what it was anyway (never listened to The Wall).
You should give it a spin. It's a good album.
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I remember when this album came out and the MP forum was all in a tizzy about Teh Nuggetz but honestly don’t think I ever picked up on any of them. I don’t recall hearing the Roger Waters thing but then again I wouldn’t have known what it was anyway (never listened to The Wall).
You should give it a spin. It's a good album.
I have heard a lot of the music on The Wall of course, but haven’t ever sat down and listened to the whole thing. I probably should give it a try though.
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The other one that I think is cool is during the "Intervals" section where MP runs through the scale degrees (root, first, second, . . . octave) as JLB sings a line that refers to each song on the album. I understand a clip from each song also plays in the background, but I've never been able to hear them.
I love that part, there are also little musical snippets from those particular songs behind every verse respectively. I am stunned that there are so many nuggets that I've been aware of for years, yet the "Isn't this where we came in?" completely went over my head. :lol
Indeed, and I still haven't heard them. By contrast, I can pretty easily hear The Battle Hymn of the Republic in the background on ITNOG.
The other one that I think is cool is during the "Intervals" section where MP runs through the scale degrees (root, first, second, . . . octave) as JLB sings a line that refers to each song on the album.
Mike's parts don't add any enjoyment to me, but I do highly appreciate what they did with the main lyrics in that part. That is some great writing.
It's a bit more audible and interesting (IMO) on the Score video.
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I remember when this album came out and the MP forum was all in a tizzy about Teh Nuggetz but honestly don’t think I ever picked up on any of them. I don’t recall hearing the Roger Waters thing but then again I wouldn’t have known what it was anyway (never listened to The Wall).
You should give it a spin. It's a good album.
I have heard a lot of the music on The Wall of course, but haven’t ever sat down and listened to the whole thing. I probably should give it a try though.
The Wall is like the poster child for "nuggets". Periodically, I will just put it on, and listen on headphones all the way through. It's not my favorite album of all time, but it's a monumental work, by any standard.
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I simply cannot get through The Wall.
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What do Pink Floyd and Princess Diana have in common?
Their last big hit was the wall.
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I remember when this album came out and the MP forum was all in a tizzy about Teh Nuggetz but honestly don’t think I ever picked up on any of them. I don’t recall hearing the Roger Waters thing but then again I wouldn’t have known what it was anyway (never listened to The Wall).
You've never listened to The Wall? I would strongly recommend you do, it's a masterpiece in my opinion!
I remember when this album came out and the MP forum was all in a tizzy about Teh Nuggetz but honestly don’t think I ever picked up on any of them. I don’t recall hearing the Roger Waters thing but then again I wouldn’t have known what it was anyway (never listened to The Wall).
You should give it a spin. It's a good album.
I have heard a lot of the music on The Wall of course, but haven’t ever sat down and listened to the whole thing. I probably should give it a try though.
Edit, I just read that you have heard music from the album - still, The Wall deserves to be listened from beginning to end :tup
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I understand a clip from each song also plays in the background, but I've never been able to hear them.
That's amazing. They're not particularly buried and, if memory serves, at least a couple of them are quite dissonant.
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I understand a clip from each song also plays in the background, but I've never been able to hear them.
That's amazing. They're not particularly buried and, if memory serves, at least a couple of them are quite dissonant.
This thread inspired me to listen to Octavarium (the song) while walking Hudson hound this morning. The first couple of references to previous tracks are more buried in the mix than I remembered but the last three or four are quite audible.
I'd forgotten what a wonderfully well-composed tune it is.
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I thought it was common knowledge. I remember reading this page after the album dropped - gives a shit-ton of analysis on all the nuggets from the album. Who knows how much of these were intentional by Mike/JP/the band vs how much were people looking for and finding something to call a 'nugget'. https://zilikram96goblog.wordpress.com/2012/10/23/octavarium-analysis/
Or how much of it is just made up and not something most could/would verify (eg, the heartbeat at the end of These Walls beating at 58bpm)
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Who knows how much of these were intentional by Mike/JP/the band vs how much were people looking for and finding something to call a 'nugget'. https://zilikram96goblog.wordpress.com/2012/10/23/octavarium-analysis/
Or how much of it is just made up and not something most could/would verify (eg, the heartbeat at the end of These Walls beating at 58bpm)
Thanks for the link - took a quick peek and yeah, I'm pretty sure that a portion of the things he listed were not nuggets planted by MP, or have been stretched to fit a narrative. For example, the idea that there are 5 current members, but that there were (at the time) a total of 8 members that had been in the band excluding Chris Collins because he wasn't a part of the band when known as "Dream Theater" was a stretch, as well as the fact that the band was formed in 1985, that they performed in 8 countries on the warm up leg of the tour and that MP played 5 of the 8 songs on his Hammer of the Gods kit which was the 8th drum kit he used in his career (which is false, given that he had 2 other kits besides the purple monster (green for Europe, red for Asia), as well as multiple Siamese Monster kits) and probably other kits he used before then.
For the record, I'm pretty sure the vast majority - if not all - of those nuggets in the album were all MP's doing. I recall a post MP made years ago talking about how he, JL and I believe JR had gone out to Starbucks or somewhere, and JL was commenting about how he was struggling to remember the lyrics to the Intervals section of the title track, and MP explained that the lyrics had been based on all the songs of the album - neither JL nor JR (or whoever the other band member was) ever picked up on that!
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I remember when this album came out and the MP forum was all in a tizzy about Teh Nuggetz but honestly don’t think I ever picked up on any of them. I don’t recall hearing the Roger Waters thing but then again I wouldn’t have known what it was anyway (never listened to The Wall).
You've never listened to The Wall? I would strongly recommend you do, it's a masterpiece in my opinion!
I remember when this album came out and the MP forum was all in a tizzy about Teh Nuggetz but honestly don’t think I ever picked up on any of them. I don’t recall hearing the Roger Waters thing but then again I wouldn’t have known what it was anyway (never listened to The Wall).
You should give it a spin. It's a good album.
I have heard a lot of the music on The Wall of course, but haven’t ever sat down and listened to the whole thing. I probably should give it a try though.
Edit, I just read that you have heard music from the album - still, The Wall deserves to be listened from beginning to end :tup
Well, today is the day it appears. Now I know where Def Leppard got the main riff for Hysteria (Goodbye Blue Sky).
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I understand a clip from each song also plays in the background, but I've never been able to hear them.
That's amazing. They're not particularly buried and, if memory serves, at least a couple of them are quite dissonant.
I can hear (to varying degrees) SOMETHING going on in the background on some of them, but none are identifiable to me. Unfortunately, I've never blasted it on quality speakers other than in my car (where my primary focus is obviously on something else), so....
Most of the rest of the "nuggets" are not things that, in a million years, I would have noticed on my own, but some of them are kind of cool when someone tells you that they're there. Needless to say, I'm NOT someone who really notices or looks for stuff like this.
I remember when this album came out and the MP forum was all in a tizzy about Teh Nuggetz but honestly don’t think I ever picked up on any of them. I don’t recall hearing the Roger Waters thing but then again I wouldn’t have known what it was anyway (never listened to The Wall).
You've never listened to The Wall? I would strongly recommend you do, it's a masterpiece in my opinion!
I remember when this album came out and the MP forum was all in a tizzy about Teh Nuggetz but honestly don’t think I ever picked up on any of them. I don’t recall hearing the Roger Waters thing but then again I wouldn’t have known what it was anyway (never listened to The Wall).
You should give it a spin. It's a good album.
I have heard a lot of the music on The Wall of course, but haven’t ever sat down and listened to the whole thing. I probably should give it a try though.
Edit, I just read that you have heard music from the album - still, The Wall deserves to be listened from beginning to end :tup
Ok, but why should a person who has heard only about 4-5 songs on that album and thinks they suck and/or are boring, and who likes nothing he has ever heard by Pink Floyd, listen to the other 20+ tracks? That's like saying, "oh, you hate rap, but you should listen to such and such 2-Pack album because it's a masterpiece and deserves to be listened to from beginning to end."
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I remember when this album came out and the MP forum was all in a tizzy about Teh Nuggetz but honestly don’t think I ever picked up on any of them. I don’t recall hearing the Roger Waters thing but then again I wouldn’t have known what it was anyway (never listened to The Wall).
You should give it a spin. It's a good album.
I have heard a lot of the music on The Wall of course, but haven’t ever sat down and listened to the whole thing. I probably should give it a try though.
You've never listened to The Wall? I would strongly recommend you do, it's a masterpiece in my opinion!
Edit, I just read that you have heard music from the album - still, The Wall deserves to be listened from beginning to end :tup
Ok, but why should a person who has heard only about 4-5 songs on that album and thinks they suck and/or are boring, and who likes nothing he has ever heard by Pink Floyd, listen to the other 20+ tracks? That's like saying, "oh, you hate rap, but you should listen to such and such 2-Pack album because it's a masterpiece and deserves to be listened to from beginning to end."
Did HOF ever imply this? :huh:
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I remember when this album came out and the MP forum was all in a tizzy about Teh Nuggetz but honestly don’t think I ever picked up on any of them. I don’t recall hearing the Roger Waters thing but then again I wouldn’t have known what it was anyway (never listened to The Wall).
You should give it a spin. It's a good album.
I have heard a lot of the music on The Wall of course, but haven’t ever sat down and listened to the whole thing. I probably should give it a try though.
You've never listened to The Wall? I would strongly recommend you do, it's a masterpiece in my opinion!
Edit, I just read that you have heard music from the album - still, The Wall deserves to be listened from beginning to end :tup
Ok, but why should a person who has heard only about 4-5 songs on that album and thinks they suck and/or are boring, and who likes nothing he has ever heard by Pink Floyd, listen to the other 20+ tracks? That's like saying, "oh, you hate rap, but you should listen to such and such 2-Pack album because it's a masterpiece and deserves to be listened to from beginning to end."
Did HOF ever imply this? :huh:
My point was that, if, after 40+ years, someone hasn't listened to The Wall, it's probably because he/she doesn't like the band.
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I remember when this album came out and the MP forum was all in a tizzy about Teh Nuggetz but honestly don’t think I ever picked up on any of them. I don’t recall hearing the Roger Waters thing but then again I wouldn’t have known what it was anyway (never listened to The Wall).
You should give it a spin. It's a good album.
I have heard a lot of the music on The Wall of course, but haven’t ever sat down and listened to the whole thing. I probably should give it a try though.
You've never listened to The Wall? I would strongly recommend you do, it's a masterpiece in my opinion!
Edit, I just read that you have heard music from the album - still, The Wall deserves to be listened from beginning to end :tup
Ok, but why should a person who has heard only about 4-5 songs on that album and thinks they suck and/or are boring, and who likes nothing he has ever heard by Pink Floyd, listen to the other 20+ tracks? That's like saying, "oh, you hate rap, but you should listen to such and such 2-Pack album because it's a masterpiece and deserves to be listened to from beginning to end."
Did HOF ever imply this? :huh:
My point was that, if, after 40+ years, someone hasn't listened to The Wall, it's probably because he/she doesn't like the band.
So that is part of it. I’ve heard maybe a third of this before between radio stuff, bits of the movie I’ve seen, and wherever else it’s worked it’s way into popular culture. But I also have heard a good bit of other PF (I own or have previously heard all of Dark Side, Wish You Were Here, and Animals, which I’m not wild about, and then The Division Bell, which I think is great). Generally, I think Gilmour is brilliant and Waters is kind of boring. And I gathered that The Wall was more Waters’ thing, though there are certainly some great Gilmour moments here. Mostly though, it’s not an album I ever invested in owning and I may have started streaming it a time or two before but it didn’t grab me. But I do like to give things a try that are considered landmark albums or cultural touchstones just to see what they are about, so I was willing to give it a try.
Having given it a full listen just now, I can see the art in it and can connect with a lot of the themes, but a lot of it is pretty dull. Comfortably Numb is the high point, as I somewhat expected given what I knew of it going in. But there are relatively few “wow that is amazing” points throughout. May I’come back to it another time though. I suppose we should jump to a PF thread so as to not detail this one further. I’ll repost this there.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=5564.1540
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After all that, I didn’t even catch the line that’s referenced in Octavarium!
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After all that, I didn’t even catch the line that’s referenced in Octavarium!
It's right at the beginning & end of the album. In the first few seconds of In The Flesh, you can hear "...we came in" & in the last few seconds of Outside The Wall, you can here "isn't this where...". Put them together & you have the line referenced.
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After all that, I didn’t even catch the line that’s referenced in Octavarium!
It's right at the beginning & end of the album. In the first few seconds of In The Flesh, you can hear "...we came in" & in the last few seconds of Outside The Wall, you can here "isn't this where...". Put them together & you have the line referenced.
which makes The Wall one of these cyclical albums by Floyd, which they often did. (Dark Side, WYWH and Animals being the others)
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After all that, I didn’t even catch the line that’s referenced in Octavarium!
It's right at the beginning & end of the album. In the first few seconds of In The Flesh, you can hear "...we came in" & in the last few seconds of Outside The Wall, you can here "isn't this where...". Put them together & you have the line referenced.
Also some of Outside The Wall is heard as well...
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After all that, I didn’t even catch the line that’s referenced in Octavarium!
It's right at the beginning & end of the album. In the first few seconds of In The Flesh, you can hear "...we came in" & in the last few seconds of Outside The Wall, you can here "isn't this where...". Put them together & you have the line referenced.
Now I hear it! Now just need to spot it in Octavarium.
Edit: oh, there it is. Never would have picked that out on my own.
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After all that, I didn’t even catch the line that’s referenced in Octavarium!
It's right at the beginning & end of the album. In the first few seconds of In The Flesh, you can hear "...we came in" & in the last few seconds of Outside The Wall, you can here "isn't this where...". Put them together & you have the line referenced.
Now I hear it! Now just need to spot it in Octavarium.
Edit: oh, there it is. Never would have picked that out on my own.
Yeah...As I mentioned earlier, most of the "nuggets" are not things that, in a million years, I would have noticed on my own. Kinda cool, but it seems like a LOT of effort for not much return (although MP seemed to think it was worthwhile).
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I think that if done correctly, Easter eggs/nuggets could enhance the music and make the experience a little more enjoyable. All the ones spoken about from Octavarium are great.
Some nuggets though, kind of take away from the music (ITNOG for example).
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After all that, I didn’t even catch the line that’s referenced in Octavarium!
It's right at the beginning & end of the album. In the first few seconds of In The Flesh, you can hear "...we came in" & in the last few seconds of Outside The Wall, you can here "isn't this where...". Put them together & you have the line referenced.
Now I hear it! Now just need to spot it in Octavarium.
Edit: oh, there it is. Never would have picked that out on my own.
Yeah...As I mentioned earlier, most of the "nuggets" are not things that, in a million years, I would have noticed on my own. Kinda cool, but it seems like a LOT of effort for not much return (although MP seemed to think it was worthwhile).
I think it's one of those things that either grabs you or it doesn't. I once spent a rainy afternoon going through Beatles songs listening for all the dumb shit that's in their songs. John yelling "Oh!" and Paul saying "Fucking hell!" during Hey Jude. Ringo sitting down to the kit in the same song. The bad edits on Yer Blues. The band singing "tit" over and over during "Girl". The band misprouncing "dich" in the German version of "She Loves You" as "dick". The yawn in "I'm Only Sleeping". There are a ton more, too.
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The nuggets just came out at the perfect opportunity for me, being in High School and all. Didn't help we had a Gazeebo that was Octagon shaped, and we called it The Octavarium. And also, it being the end of the Meta-Albums, and it just cycles repeatedly from 8vm, never going back to the beginning of SFAM since Octavarium ends with the Root note of F that starts The Root of All Evil.
It was fun, and it was one of those "You had to be there" moments for me.
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For what it's worth, I like Pink Floyd a lot, and I like what I have heard from The Wall, but I have never sat down and listened to the whole thing.
Anyhow, yeah, that's one of SO many cool nuggets in Octavarium that give that album so much color and depth.
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I once spent a rainy afternoon going through Beatles songs listening for all the dumb shit that's in their songs. John yelling "Oh!" and Paul saying "Fucking hell!" during Hey Jude. Ringo sitting down to the kit in the same song. The bad edits on Yer Blues. The band singing "tit" over and over during "Girl". The band misprouncing "dich" in the German version of "She Loves You" as "dick". The yawn in "I'm Only Sleeping". There are a ton more, too.
So...basically, "she loves you" became "she loves fat." What an odd thing to do. :biggrin:
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I once spent a rainy afternoon going through Beatles songs listening for all the dumb shit that's in their songs. John yelling "Oh!" and Paul saying "Fucking hell!" during Hey Jude. Ringo sitting down to the kit in the same song. The bad edits on Yer Blues. The band singing "tit" over and over during "Girl". The band misprouncing "dich" in the German version of "She Loves You" as "dick". The yawn in "I'm Only Sleeping". There are a ton more, too.
So...basically, "she loves you" became "she loves fat." What an odd thing to do. :biggrin:
I think they were going for something more... juvenile. But yes, odd. :) :) :)
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Yes, it's worth a thread, and also worth mentioning you find it just after 13 (5+8) minutes of Octavarium. Listen what happens at 1, 2, 3, 5, 8 - NOW! :)
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I simply cannot get through The Wall.
Have you tried going Over the Wall?
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The more it ages, the more I find that this song is simply one of the greatest and well written pieces of music I've ever heard. This is how you write a long song to perfection. The build through the entire thing, the musical motifs, the intensity and the Full Circle climax is just amazing. Should go down in history as one of the greats IMO.
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The more it ages, the more I find that this song is simply one of the greatest and well written pieces of music I've ever heard. This is how you write a long song to perfection. The build through the entire thing, the musical motifs, the intensity and the Full Circle climax is just amazing. Should go down in history as one of the greats IMO.
I absolutely agree. My #1 song of all-time.
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The more it ages, the more I find that this song is simply one of the greatest and well written pieces of music I've ever heard. This is how you write a long song to perfection. The build through the entire thing, the musical motifs, the intensity and the Full Circle climax is just amazing. Should go down in history as one of the greats IMO.
I feel Octavarium is a bit too derivative in too many spots, to the point of numerous melodies that feel lifted right out of songs by other artists, for me to consider it a top tier "sidelong" epic (for lack of a better term). I still love it and enjoy it, but it feels a bit like listening to a mashup of other songs at times. Heck, it didn't even make my DT top 20 a year ago when we did the DT countdown.
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The more it ages, the more I find that this song is simply one of the greatest and well written pieces of music I've ever heard. This is how you write a long song to perfection. The build through the entire thing, the musical motifs, the intensity and the Full Circle climax is just amazing. Should go down in history as one of the greats IMO.
I feel Octavarium is a bit too derivative in too many spots, to the point of numerous melodies that feel lifted right out of songs by other artists, for me to consider it a top tier "sidelong" epic (for lack of a better term). I still love it and enjoy it, but it feels a bit like listening to a mashup of other songs at times. Heck, it didn't even make my DT top 20 a year ago when we did the DT countdown.
That's a TAC-level hot-take.
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The more it ages, the more I find that this song is simply one of the greatest and well written pieces of music I've ever heard. This is how you write a long song to perfection. The build through the entire thing, the musical motifs, the intensity and the Full Circle climax is just amazing. Should go down in history as one of the greats IMO.
I feel Octavarium is a bit too derivative in too many spots, to the point of numerous melodies that feel lifted right out of songs by other artists, for me to consider it a top tier "sidelong" epic (for lack of a better term). I still love it and enjoy it, but it feels a bit like listening to a mashup of other songs at times. Heck, it didn't even make my DT top 20 a year ago when we did the DT countdown.
I never really noticed to be honest, but I probably don't know many of the songs that were lifted from anyway.
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The more it ages, the more I find that this song is simply one of the greatest and well written pieces of music I've ever heard. This is how you write a long song to perfection. The build through the entire thing, the musical motifs, the intensity and the Full Circle climax is just amazing. Should go down in history as one of the greats IMO.
I absolutely agree. My #1 song of all-time.
It's my #2 DT song, and as to the bolded, I have always felt this way.
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The more it ages, the more I find that this song is simply one of the greatest and well written pieces of music I've ever heard. This is how you write a long song to perfection. The build through the entire thing, the musical motifs, the intensity and the Full Circle climax is just amazing. Should go down in history as one of the greats IMO.
I feel Octavarium is a bit too derivative in too many spots, to the point of numerous melodies that feel lifted right out of songs by other artists, for me to consider it a top tier "sidelong" epic (for lack of a better term). I still love it and enjoy it, but it feels a bit like listening to a mashup of other songs at times. Heck, it didn't even make my DT top 20 a year ago when we did the DT countdown.
That's a TAC-level hot-take.
Didn't make my top 20 either, by a long shot. It's a very good song, but, for me, the intro is interminable, and while I've come to appreciate the thematic nature of the lyrics, I still find them too disjointed for my enjoyment.
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Hot take: I actually DON"T like Octavarium the song like others do. I like sections of it, but overall I just skip it. The album itself without the title track is actually better for me. It still shows every side of Dream Theater. I usually go to the Score version of 8VM the song.
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Hot take: I actually DON"T like Octavarium the song like others do. I like sections of it, but overall I just skip it. The album itself without the title track is actually better for me. It still shows every side of Dream Theater. I usually go to the Score version of 8VM the song.
Interesting take. The album ending after Sacrificed Sons would leave me feeling.....weird.
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I actually love the intro to 8V a lot, even with the obvious Floyd nod. It's awesome on Score as well when Rudess extends it a little.
I guess the thing for me is I do not play the song often at all for two reasons: 1) I rarely listen to the Octavarium album, largely because there are no other songs on it I love, so nothing else draws me in to where I ended up listening to all of it, and 2) if I am doing random DT songs and want a super long song, why would I listen to Octavarium when I can listen to a much better song like A Change of Seasons? Or I can knock out two long songs like Voices and Scarred (see: my two favorite DT songs) in just over 20 minutes. :coolio :coolio
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The more it ages, the more I find that this song is simply one of the greatest and well written pieces of music I've ever heard. This is how you write a long song to perfection. The build through the entire thing, the musical motifs, the intensity and the Full Circle climax is just amazing. Should go down in history as one of the greats IMO.
I absolutely agree, as this is my #1 song of all times. But strangly enough this song took a long while to digest for me. And with each time I hear it, my adoration evolves. It's so complex and well-written, takes a whole journey to accomplish the depth. Daily Doug's reaction in Youtube helped me a great deal.
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The more it ages, the more I find that this song is simply one of the greatest and well written pieces of music I've ever heard. This is how you write a long song to perfection. The build through the entire thing, the musical motifs, the intensity and the Full Circle climax is just amazing. Should go down in history as one of the greats IMO.
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Dang, you guys put me in the mood to listen to Octavarium again, which is always a good mood to be in.
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Didn't make my top 20 either, by a long shot. It's a very good song, but, for me, the intro is interminable, and while I've come to appreciate the thematic nature of the lyrics, I still find them too disjointed for my enjoyment.
Yes to the bolded, and it's even worse on Score. If there were only maybe 30 seconds of that nonsense, 8VM would be a lot closer to giving ACOS a run for its money as DT's best "epic" (but it's unquestionably a top 10 DT song).
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The intro isn't even that long. And with how good it is (in the studio version, anyways), it probably could have been a minute or two longer and I wouldn't mind.
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The intro isn't even that long. And with how good it is (in the studio version, anyways), it probably could have been a minute or two longer and I wouldn't mind.
It's exactly as long as it is: 3:48. It's longer than 18 songs in the band's catalog (not including NOMAC instrumentals), most notably, Overture 1928, Wait for Sleep and The Silent Man. And it feels like about 6:00. If it were a minute or two longer, I might actually try to figure out how to make an edited version that omits the intro. In fact, if someone would like to do that for me, I'll gladly mail you some Burger King coupons. :biggrin:
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The intro isn't even that long. And with how good it is (in the studio version, anyways), it probably could have been a minute or two longer and I wouldn't mind.
It's exactly as long as it is: 3:48. It's longer than 18 songs in the band's catalog (not including NOMAC instrumentals), most notably, Overture 1928, Wait for Sleep and The Silent Man. And it feels like about 6:00. If it were a minute or two longer, I might actually try to figure out how to make an edited version that omits the intro. In fact, if someone would like to do that for me, I'll gladly mail you some Burger King coupons. :biggrin:
I'M ON IT! Though I always feel weird about using coupons at a fast food place. Like I am saying "Yes, I know I am cheap by walking in the door, but this just makes me look even cheaper."
I never thought the intro was anything but exactly how it should be. I recognized it is longer on Score, but at no point did I register it being too long. I thought it was a nice little addition for the live show.
Getting back to Kev's point of
I guess the thing for me is I do not play the song often at all for two reasons: 1) I rarely listen to the Octavarium album, largely because there are no other songs on it I love, so nothing else draws me in to where I ended up listening to all of it...
This thread prompted me to listen to this song a few days ago. Still loved it as much as I did since I first heard it. That prompted me to backtrack through the rest of the album - which I did, oddly, listening to the songs in reverse order. I knew I loved Root and Panic Attack, but enjoyed Never Enough and SS more than I thought I would. The other three I can do without.
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I'M ON IT! Though I always feel weird about using coupons at a fast food place. Like I am saying "Yes, I know I am cheap by walking in the door, but this just makes me look even cheaper."
Every once in a while, I can manage to get a McDouble, fries and a drink from McDonald's for less than $4 on the app by using coupons. I feel both proud and ashamed at the same time. :biggrin:
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Love the song, intro and all. A real high spot for me from DT. Listen to it more than any other DT song, no contest, so I guess I should call it my favourite!
I also listen to TROAE, IWBY and PA off of the album quite often.
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I love the song as well, but I hardly ever listen to the studio version anymore. When I listen to it, it's the live version from SCORE.