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Title: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Skeever on February 01, 2021, 01:15:04 PM
So, now that we've got word of the new "Lost Not Forgotten" archives, does anyone have anything they are hoping to see available?

I've got several pages of stuff I'd like to see, but maybe I'll just start with two things:

- Some representation of BC&SL tour
- Bluray reissues of ANYTHING they put out prior to that (pretty sure it's all out of print these days)
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Vmadera00 on February 01, 2021, 01:17:50 PM
BC&SL for sure. But more importantly, anything from the TA tour
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 01, 2021, 01:30:49 PM
TA live and the DT15 tour (whenever that will happen and in case there might not be an official live album from that tour) and Budokan 2017 as mentioned.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: pg1067 on February 01, 2021, 01:31:06 PM
So, now that we've got word of the new "Lost Not Forgotten" archives

??
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 01, 2021, 01:37:35 PM
So, now that we've got word of the new "Lost Not Forgotten" archives

??
Jordan and The Petruccinator mentioned (during the Budokan Q/A) that the Lost Not Forgotten Archives will be the successor (as it were) to Ytsejam Records. A thorough statement will be issued soon apparently.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Stadler on February 01, 2021, 01:42:52 PM
For me, since there's so little in terms of b-sides and such, let's get those complete shows working:

- Ronnie Scott's;
- Anything from The Astonishing tour;
- The unplugged show from Rotterdam;
- Mangini's first show with the band;
- Portnoy's last show with the band
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: evilasiojr on February 01, 2021, 01:47:00 PM
A show from the 30th Anniversary tour.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 01, 2021, 01:50:24 PM
A show from the 30th Anniversary tour.
Yes.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: TAC on February 01, 2021, 01:50:40 PM
Hopefully they'll be able to release shows with MP.

I wonder if the timing (10 years since the split) plays into the transition from Ytsejam to LNF.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Trav86 on February 01, 2021, 01:58:17 PM
A show from the 30th Anniversary tour.

This.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Schurftkut on February 01, 2021, 02:34:24 PM
full auditions
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: pg1067 on February 01, 2021, 03:03:37 PM
Hopefully they'll be able to release shows with MP.

Unless part of the agreement they made when MP left the band included such a prohibition (which seems unlikely), there is no legal reason why they couldn't.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: wasteland on February 01, 2021, 03:30:54 PM
- Anything from The Astonishing tour;
This but video. We all know it exists, somebody claimed to have it over a decade ago, but I've never seen any solid proof of it being in anyone's but the band's and MP's hands.

Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Vmadera00 on February 01, 2021, 03:32:51 PM
- Anything from The Astonishing tour;
This but video. We all know it exists, somebody claimed to have it over a decade ago, but I've never seen any solid proof of it being in anyone's but the band's and MP's hands.

Over a decade? MP?
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: wasteland on February 01, 2021, 03:38:26 PM
- Anything from The Astonishing tour;
This but video. We all know it exists, somebody claimed to have it over a decade ago, but I've never seen any solid proof of it being in anyone's but the band's and MP's hands.

Over a decade? MP?

My (funny) mistake. I intended to only quote Stadler's line about "The unplugged show from Rotterdam", but deleted the wrong line.  :lol
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: TAC on February 01, 2021, 03:51:36 PM
- Anything from The Astonishing tour;
This but video. We all know it exists, somebody claimed to have it over a decade ago, but I've never seen any solid proof of it being in anyone's but the band's and MP's hands.


Wow that is Astonishing..



...and Marco! :metal
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: wasteland on February 01, 2021, 04:01:56 PM
Wow that is Astonishing..



...and Marco! :metal

Honestly, don't know what's more Astonishing: me posting or you remembering my name, after all this time!

If I had to put together a wishlist, anyway, I'd go for:

- A retrospective on the unplugged experiment of mid-late 98, possibly with video.
- A collection of live improvisations from the Train Of Thought tour. By far their most inspired tour in that regard.
- The 2011 High Voltage festival (I'd hope more than just Peruvian Skies exists somewhere). We need a live version of TCOT.
- The June 8th 1992 show, when they opened for Iron Maiden. I would encourage anyone to go look for the audience recording of the show, to understand why James was allegedly asked to join IM after the performance.

Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Madman Shepherd on February 01, 2021, 04:07:57 PM
I seriously doubt this would happen but I would love to hear the ADTOE demos with a drum machine to compare to the final product.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: TAC on February 01, 2021, 04:09:11 PM
- The June 8th 1992 show, when they opened for Iron Maiden. I would encourage anyone to go look for the audience recording of the show, to understand why James was allegedly asked to join IM after the performance.


Hell yes to this! I'd even let them use my avatar for the album cover! My only regret is not taking pics of DT that night.


I do have the boot, and James is ridiculous on it.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: bosk1 on February 01, 2021, 04:17:43 PM
Hopefully they'll be able to release shows with MP.

I wonder if the timing (10 years since the split) plays into the transition from Ytsejam to LNF.

Possible.  There may have been something in the agreement between DT and MP that had a 10 year period where they couldn't do certain things.  That might also explain why YJR coincidentally just stopped selling.  The timing might suggest something along those lines.  But that is pure guesswork on my part--I don't know anything one way or the other.

It could also just be that, although they had good intentions 10 years ago, but never made it a priority, and now that they are finally getting around to it, they just decided a new/different name was appropriate.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: gzarruk on February 01, 2021, 04:25:12 PM
I think everything in my list has been mentioned already in previous posts, but here it goes anyway:

- Anything from their 30th Anniversary tour/Wacken 2015
- Some form of TA Live.
- Budokan 2017, but the whole thing.
- The 3 DT songs played from MM's audition.
- The first MM show or their High Voltage 2011 show which I believe also exists as pro-shot video.

I don't think they'll bother releasing anything from the MP era, at least not at first.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: TAC on February 01, 2021, 04:27:36 PM
Hopefully they'll be able to release shows with MP.

I wonder if the timing (10 years since the split) plays into the transition from Ytsejam to LNF.

Possible.  There may have been something in the agreement between DT and MP that had a 10 year period where they couldn't do certain things.  That might also explain why YJR coincidentally just stopped selling.  The timing might suggest something along those lines.  But that is pure guesswork on my part--I don't know anything one way or the other.

It could also just be that, although they had good intentions 10 years ago, but never made it a priority, and now that they are finally getting around to it, they just decided a new/different name was appropriate.



That I definitely don't believe. And by saying that, I don't mean anything sinister about it.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: wasteland on February 01, 2021, 04:32:31 PM
Possible.  There may have been something in the agreement between DT and MP that had a 10 year period where they couldn't do certain things.  That might also explain why YJR coincidentally just stopped selling.  The timing might suggest something along those lines.  But that is pure guesswork on my part--I don't know anything one way or the other.

It could also just be that, although they had good intentions 10 years ago, but never made it a priority, and now that they are finally getting around to it, they just decided a new/different name was appropriate.  :dunno:

Or maybe it took 10 years for business relationship between MP and DT to cool down to a level when collaboration more or less under the table to release pre-2010 material is possible?

Hell yes to this! I'd even let them use my avatar for the album cover! My only regret is not taking pics of DT that night.
I do have the boot, and James is ridiculous on it.

Wait, you were there? Was it your first impact with the band? What a scene it must have been!

Also yes, James's live performance is obscenely good. I'm not sure many people here are entirely aware of it. By the time the tour got to the dates that were recorded and enjoyed a certain circulation (Marquee, Tokyo, even the Limelight show) his voice had already gritted-out somehow.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: noxon on February 01, 2021, 04:48:43 PM
Tell you what, I'm gonna keep feeding good suggestions back to the people in charge of this archive, and if it's feasible... who knows what will happen.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: evilasiojr on February 01, 2021, 04:53:28 PM
A couple have already mentioned, but the High Voltage 2011 show is already incredible only for the YT videos! What a possible great release it would be: The Count of Tuscany and The Great Debate in the same set  :metal
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 01, 2021, 05:27:58 PM
While we do have Happy Holidays with The Count of Tuscany live, and with Mangini. I would like to see a video of those songs.

The 30th Anniversary show, for BTV and About to Crash

The last show with MP

The first show with Mangini

And of course a The Astonishing show. I don't mind just a cd as well.

Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: TAC on February 01, 2021, 05:29:01 PM
Hell yes to this! I'd even let them use my avatar for the album cover! My only regret is not taking pics of DT that night.
I do have the boot, and James is ridiculous on it.

Wait, you were there? Was it your first impact with the band? What a scene it must have been!

I've told this many times before.

Yes I was there..

I was a huge Iron Maiden fan. When I was in college, Iron Maiden played L'Amours in Brooklyn as a tuneup for the 7th Son tour. I lived in Massachusetts, but my college roommate lived in New Jersey. We always planned visits around concerts. Anyway, we made a pact that if Iron Maiden ever played another club show in NYC, we'd try like hell to make it. Well, he ended up getting tickets to the show at The Ritz.

I had my camera that day. My avatar is a pic of the marquee that I had taken that afternoon. We got there early to get a good spot, which obviously meant having to stand through some no name band. But whatever..it was Iron Maiden!!

I can tell you that they weren't 30 seconds into PMU and I was fucking blown away. My jaw was literally on the floor. They were playing the best music I'd ever heard. They were so tight.
My two first observations were:
The bass player is nuts (seriously!), and the drummer was amazing. Seemed as soon as I was on to whatever the drummer was doing, he was on to something else. I regret not taking pictures, as we had a good spot. But I wasn't taking any chances of getting busted with my camera before Iron Maiden came out. Suffice to say, my musical life was changed in that 40 minutes.


I bought I&W a few weeks later when it was released. And lo and behold, they played in Boston the first week of October. They came back that December, where they played an electric version of Oh Holy Night. That boot is mine, and unfortunately it hasn't aged that great. I did take some pics at that show as well. Both shows were at a club called Axis, which was extremely tiny.

June 8, 1992
The Ritz, New York City


(https://i.imgur.com/t4DsWG0.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/5tmTx4c.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/AblXhh6.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/nWa9snk.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/HhyZCN2.jpg)

In fact, in the video boot of this show, you can see my flash going off down in front of Dave.






December 16, 1992
Axis, Boston


(https://i.imgur.com/0w57RV8.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ClJE0wj.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Ly6xw6x.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/KmYTvhh.jpg)

Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Stadler on February 01, 2021, 05:36:15 PM
Axis WAS small; that must have been a treat.

My brother had that same Zappa shirt; what a kick seeing Steve wear it.

So, dumb question, but what was it about James that "allegedly" got him notice by Maiden?  The performance in general, or something specific?  (I looked at the setlist; if you're going to hear five songs from Dream Theater, those might as well be the ones.  What a setlist!)
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Cool Chris on February 01, 2021, 08:54:45 PM
I am not as in to this sort of thing as most of you all here; that being said an Astonishing video would be #1 on my list.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on February 01, 2021, 09:11:23 PM
I was just going through a list of LNF material I'd like to see come out earlier today. I actually figured it would just be stuff from the Mangini era, since MP supposedly has all the recordings from 1985-2010 in his personal archive. Is that not the case? Have they come to some understanding with MP on releasing more stuff from his era? In that case, my list will be growing exponentially.

MM era:
- The Astonishing Live
- 30th Anniversary tour
- Budokan bluray
- Another Images show with Don't Look Past Me
- Demo discs or Making of's of the last four albums

MP era:
Just give me what he was working on in 2010...
- Making of Six Degrees
- Rush covers disc
- Black Clouds Live DVD (two shows, including his last)
- Derek Era Xmas show
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 01, 2021, 09:15:00 PM
I wouldn't mind a full video from The Astonishing.

Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 01, 2021, 09:15:36 PM
I'd love a good quality recording of Don't Look Past Me from the I&W tour in 2017.

I wouldn't mind a full video from The Astonishing.



And this.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 01, 2021, 09:18:55 PM
I'd love a good quality recording of Don't Look Past Me from the I&W tour in 2017.

I wouldn't mind a full video from The Astonishing.



And this.

TA was still digesting when I saw it live. I'd love to go back and revisit it now that it's... aged.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Skeever on February 02, 2021, 04:16:06 AM
For me, since there's so little in terms of b-sides and such, let's get those complete shows working:

- Ronnie Scott's;
- The unplugged show from Rotterdam;

These would be amazing day one buys for me.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: MinistroRaven on February 02, 2021, 06:12:17 AM
Hopefully they'll be able to release shows with MP.

I wonder if the timing (10 years since the split) plays into the transition from Ytsejam to LNF.

Possible.  There may have been something in the agreement between DT and MP that had a 10 year period where they couldn't do certain things.  That might also explain why YJR coincidentally just stopped selling.  The timing might suggest something along those lines.  But that is pure guesswork on my part--I don't know anything one way or the other.

It could also just be that, although they had good intentions 10 years ago, but never made it a priority, and now that they are finally getting around to it, they just decided a new/different name was appropriate.  :dunno:

Or maybe now that there is no bad blood among MP and the majority on the band they can now do it, and possibly MP will contribute with the archive and get a cut off of that?
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: TAC on February 02, 2021, 06:14:44 AM
Hopefully MP allows his time in the band to be represented. He may not legally have a choice, but I would doubt JP would go against his wishes.

We shall see.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 02, 2021, 06:18:11 AM
Hopefully MP allows his time in the band to be represented. He may not legally have a choice, but I would doubt JP would go against his wishes.

We shall see.
G minor cadence.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: TAC on February 02, 2021, 06:21:13 AM


MM era:
- The Astonishing Live
- Another Images show with Don't Look Past Me


MP era:
Just give me what he was working on in 2010...
- Rush covers disc
- Black Clouds Live DVD (two shows, including his last)
- Derek Era Xmas show

I'm good with all of this.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: faizoff on February 02, 2021, 07:43:04 AM
I'm thrilled at this idea but not holding my breath for any quick updates. And am loving all the suggestions here. I'd take them all honestly.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: DTA on February 02, 2021, 08:30:23 AM
I was just going through a list of LNF material I'd like to see come out earlier today. I actually figured it would just be stuff from the Mangini era, since MP supposedly has all the recordings from 1985-2010 in his personal archive. Is that not the case? Have they come to some understanding with MP on releasing more stuff from his era? In that case, my list will be growing exponentially.

MM era:
- The Astonishing Live
- 30th Anniversary tour
- Budokan bluray
- Another Images show with Don't Look Past Me
- Demo discs or Making of's of the last four albums

MP era:
Just give me what he was working on in 2010...
- Making of Six Degrees
- Rush covers disc
- Black Clouds Live DVD (two shows, including his last)
- Derek Era Xmas show

This is one I'd be most interested in. I know the setlists had some variation so I'd like a collection of all the songs played at the Xmas '98 shows, including live versions of the FII b-sides.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: gzarruk on February 02, 2021, 08:36:04 AM
Hopefully MP allows his time in the band to be represented. He may not legally have a choice, but I would doubt JP would go against his wishes.

We shall see.
G minor cadence.

Yes, we shall see.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 02, 2021, 08:36:54 AM
Hopefully MP allows his time in the band to be represented. He may not legally have a choice, but I would doubt JP would go against his wishes.

We shall see.
G minor cadence.

Yes, we shall see.
yes, sorry, the cadence occurs afterwards :D
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 02, 2021, 08:54:55 AM
I'd love a good quality recording of Don't Look Past Me from the I&W tour in 2017.

I wouldn't mind a full video from The Astonishing.



And this.

TA was still digesting when I saw it live. I'd love to go back and revisit it now that it's... aged.
It was always very baffling to me that they didn't do a release from that tour. TA was made to be performed on a stage, and it showed. I'm quite certain the overall impression of the album would've been much more positive if it got a good live release to support it. The stage design, the visuals and the overall vibe was unlike anything DT has ever pulled off.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Stadler on February 02, 2021, 09:10:08 AM
I'm Jon Snow, I know nothing, but I'd like to think that this is a result of something more positive.  A healing of the wounds, a by-product of the rekindling of several relationships within the band.   A metaphorical "hey, it's been ten years; let's get some of this stuff out there".   Mike has been home, he's been spending time in his archives and whatnot; maybe it's a result of that.  Clearly, with LTE3 and John's solo album there have been business discussions had, and agreements made.   I can guess (and that's all they would be) several reasons why the name change, but until I hear otherwise I'm opting to look at this as a productive step forward for the behind the scenes relationships.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: DanLore on February 02, 2021, 09:50:54 AM
A short list:

- A TA show, video preferably, but audio would be fine
- A full BC&SL show, audio or video
- The Ronnie Scott's '95 gig

Lastly, although probably not a candidate for this project, I'd love a complete Roseland 2000 video in 5.1, minus the video animation.  The DVD release was good, but could have been so much better.

Just my two cents.

DanLore
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Stadler on February 02, 2021, 10:20:04 AM
Hey Dan!   Good to see you. 

I can't remember what it is now, but I recall having a question, after MP's site closed down, and thinking "DanLore would know the answer to this!".  :)   
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 02, 2021, 11:06:59 AM
I mean, anything really.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 02, 2021, 11:52:13 AM
Yes, I'm sure there will eventually be as broad enough of a selection of stuff to offer something for everyone. I'm interested in what they choose to start things off.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: ZirconBlue on February 02, 2021, 01:41:48 PM
I'm sure there are probably legal hurdles, but I'd really like to get some video/recordings of the various Dream Theater/Queensryche combined encore songs from the Escape from the Studio Tour.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: pg1067 on February 02, 2021, 02:29:04 PM
I'm sure there are probably legal hurdles, but I'd really like to get some video/recordings of the various Dream Theater/Queensryche combined encore songs from the Escape from the Studio Tour.

Maybe they could make the legal agreements public.   :biggrin:

That might be more interesting to me than any recorded material I don't already have.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: PetFish on February 02, 2021, 07:00:22 PM
I really can't think of much that would really make much sense other than a live audio/video of The Astonishing tour.

Since MP left there's really nothing "special" about what DT does.  Each show of a tour is nearly identical and pretty much exactly as-recorded.

- They rarely do live covers, certainly not cover albums.
- No live medleys
- They definitely don't do unique setlists
- Any demo tracks they make would be nearly identical to the final versions
- They write as much as they need to for an album and that's it, so no more unreleased demos
- No "making of" in-studio videos (unless they've been doing them each time but keeping it quiet)

I'm hoping it actually *is* a collaboration with MP, or at least they have access to his vault, so we can get the rest of the releases that MP had planned before the split.

Other than that I'm hoping for The Astonishing and possibly this last streaming show they just released but there's really not much else out there the last 10 years.  Possibly, *maybe*, the full drummer auditions could be released.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 02, 2021, 09:24:24 PM
Since MP left there's really nothing "special" about what DT does.  Each show of a tour is nearly identical and pretty much exactly as-recorded.

I get what you mean and I agree to some extent, but I'm pretty sure they can put together lots of cool stuff from these past 10 years. You got a lot of cool things happening in shows (remember the time when the whole crew made this badass Halloween dance on stage during the ADTOE tour?). You have jams, improvised solos and surely lots of backstage goodness. Although things certainly changed with the departure of MP, it's kinda unfair to think they've become this boring one-setlist bad. I know there's some truth to that lol, but you gotta look at the bigger picture.

I mean, I know they sacrificed a lot of things by moving their entire production towards a more perfected light/backing track/video/click-driven show but nevertheless interesting things have happened on stage these years. Maybe not as much as during the MP era, but hey. You can't have everything.

One of the things that I've liked so far of the MM era is that, although they have clearly not released as much stuff as during the MP era, the things they release seem much more polished sound and videowise. I know I'm in the minority here, but lots of the official bootlegs have pretty subpar mixes and video quality that really don't make me excited to hear them (actually, the vast majority). I know they're cool gifts and they're basically better than nothing and that MP basically dealt with what he was given but meh (I'm still very grateful that he kept up so long with it, tho). Why would I want to check out the Chile 2006 show when I have a vastly superior show in every aspect from the exact same tour to actually invest my time on? Lots of official bootlegs had a watch-once-and-you're-good thing going for them, but you still got some excellent ones, like the Dark Side of the Moon show which is amazing.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: zappafrank2112 on February 02, 2021, 10:29:18 PM
Immediately transition all the stuff that was on Ytsejam Records to the new... whatever it is.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: lucasembarbosa on February 03, 2021, 04:19:24 AM
I'd like to have Trial of Tears with the new intro they used to improvise in some legs during the DT12 tour. Don't Look Past Me with MM and LTE jams in 2012 with MM.

Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Stadler on February 03, 2021, 07:01:57 AM
I'm sure there are probably legal hurdles, but I'd really like to get some video/recordings of the various Dream Theater/Queensryche combined encore songs from the Escape from the Studio Tour.

Maybe they could make the legal agreements public.   :biggrin:

That might be more interesting to me than any recorded material I don't already have.

HAHA, I'd actually be on board with that too.  :)
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Architeuthis on February 03, 2021, 10:08:13 AM
I'd much rather have a live video of TA than just live audio. I can listen to the album for a audio experience. That tour had an amazing light show and visuals that really bring it to life.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: gzarruk on February 03, 2021, 10:21:53 AM
I'd much rather have a live video of TA than just live audio. I can listen to the album for a audio experience. That tour had an amazing light show and visuals that really bring it to life.

I don't think they recorded video for it, though.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: bosk1 on February 03, 2021, 10:35:33 AM
Exactly.  As far as I know, there is no video.  At least, not a complete show.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Architeuthis on February 03, 2021, 11:00:41 AM
Exactly.  As far as I know, there is no video.  At least, not a complete show.
There is a couple of audience shot ones that exist. You would think that the band had a crew member film some of those shows from the soundboard area at least. It had to have been documented fo some extent..  🤔
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: bosk1 on February 03, 2021, 11:45:27 AM
You would think that the band had a crew member film some of those shows from the soundboard area at least. It had to have been documented fo some extent..  🤔

I doubt it.  There wasn't any specific reason to, so why would they?
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: pg1067 on February 03, 2021, 02:01:09 PM
I doubt it.  There wasn't any specific reason to, so why would they?

Because if you believe hard enough, it will be!
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Mojado Ilegal on February 03, 2021, 02:44:21 PM
[REDACTED]
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: illusionist on February 03, 2021, 03:40:45 PM
I hope for some unreleased material.
Either from DT sessions,or from LTE.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: onethousanddays on February 03, 2021, 05:41:35 PM
- Anything from the 1st North American leg of the Awake Tour
- Entire Uncovered/Rotterdam fan-club shows (I know there are bootlegs of them, but would still be great to have really high quality versions of them)
- Any of the 95', 96' or 98' X-mas shows (particularly 12/28/98 and 12/30/98, those shows are notoriously difficult to find)
- Anything from the 1st European leg of the Scenes Tour back in 99'
- Either the 1st pre-show from 2002 or 2004
- Anything from the Escape From The Studio leg
- Any show from 2009 or 2010 (in particular the final show with MP)
- Either the 1st show with MM in the band, or any special show from the ADTOE tour
- Any show from 2017 that has Don't Look Past Me/To Live Forever in the set

All of this as I'm partial to the earlier era. Also, if it exists, it would be amazing to see/hear more on the making of A Change of Seasons.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: DanLore on February 04, 2021, 10:19:27 AM
Hey Dan!   Good to see you. 

I can't remember what it is now, but I recall having a question, after MP's site closed down, and thinking "DanLore would know the answer to this!".  :)   

Well, if it ever comes to mind, ask away.  (Remember, my brain cells are dying every day;-)  Good to see you too.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on February 05, 2021, 08:44:03 AM
Hopefully they'll be able to release shows with MP.

I wonder if the timing (10 years since the split) plays into the transition from Ytsejam to LNF.

Possible.  There may have been something in the agreement between DT and MP that had a 10 year period where they couldn't do certain things.  That might also explain why YJR coincidentally just stopped selling.  The timing might suggest something along those lines.  But that is pure guesswork on my part--I don't know anything one way or the other.

It could also just be that, although they had good intentions 10 years ago, but never made it a priority, and now that they are finally getting around to it, they just decided a new/different name was appropriate.  :dunno:

Honestly, Lost Not Forgotten is a better name for this sort of thing anyway. It perfectly fits what they're doing with this.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on February 05, 2021, 07:46:58 PM
Let's not forget about any demos that may be in the vault.  For instance, anyone who purchased The Astonishing novel received the various Gift of Music demos and unused riffs that were captured on John's personal handheld recorder (or was it his phone?).  More material like that would be welcome.  I am especially interested in hearing the drum machine versions of the Dramatic Turn of Events sessions.  INSERT JOKE HERE:  "Or maybe we already got the drum machine versions on the official album release vis-a-vis Mangini's performance."
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: HOF on February 07, 2021, 04:05:13 PM
For me, since there's so little in terms of b-sides and such, let's get those complete shows working:

- Ronnie Scott's;
- Anything from The Astonishing tour;
- The unplugged show from Rotterdam;
- Mangini's first show with the band;
- Portnoy's last show with the band

Yep, Ronnie Scottís and Rotterdam would be first on my list as well. Although there are still some B sides and demos from the ytsejam series I never got that Iíd like to have as well.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Peter Mc on February 07, 2021, 05:36:28 PM
Thereís nothing I can really think of other than a video of The Astonishing show but, from all accounts, they never made one.

I will definitely get the Images and Words thing that they streamed the other day though.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: jonny108 on February 09, 2021, 11:03:22 AM
This is exciting news, I would like to see:

Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: jadiggerdt on February 10, 2021, 01:05:26 AM

The Lost Not Forgotten Archives Ė Opening Soon - Dream Theater  lostnotforgottenarchives.dreamtheater.net õ :metal

http://https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:veeuBHmDwzMJ:https://lostnotforgottenarchives.dreamtheater.net/blogs/news+&cd=5&hl=no&ct=clnk&gl=no
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: SwedishGoose on February 10, 2021, 02:01:46 AM
The Astonishing live BlueRay (if there is no live footage use what was on the screens)
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: ytserush on February 13, 2021, 04:04:01 PM
A short list:

- A TA show, video preferably, but audio would be fine
- A full BC&SL show, audio or video
- The Ronnie Scott's '95 gig

Lastly, although probably not a candidate for this project, I'd love a complete Roseland 2000 video in 5.1, minus the video animation.  The DVD release was good, but could have been so much better.

Just my two cents.

DanLore

That'll work.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Robo4900 on February 15, 2021, 02:29:58 PM
First, everything that was already on YJR, including all the out-of-print stuff.

Plus some re-released fan club CDs:
- Cleaning Out The Closet
- Graspop Festival 2002
- Progressive Nation 2008

And also:
- A show from the 30th anniversary tour. (With video if possible)
- The Astonishing Live. (Again, with video if possible)
- Budokan 2017.
- The Distance Over Time demos

And, if they have an agreement that will allow them to release new material using stuff from Mike Portnoy's archives:

Video:
- A compilation of pre-I&W touring; a couple of Chris Collins era tracks (I would opt for Cry For Freedom, Afterlife, and YtseJam), but mainly Charlie Dominici era stuff (including A Vision, To Live Forever, Metropolis, and if they have video, The Crimson Sunrise and The Darkest Of Winters). If they have video of it, maybe some stuff from one of their two instrumental gigs from 1990, to top it all off? Perhaps do it like 5 Years and Chaos In Motion where it's presented with documentary segments to put it in context... Maybe include a segment from the famous Majesty basement tape? It would probably end up a little similar to the I Can Remember When documentary, but the critical thing here would be that every song is presented in its entirety, and it would cover songs that documentary skipped over (A Vision and the two parts of Change Of Seasons).
- The entirety of the filmed Tokyo 1993 show that was put on their first live video release.
- The entirety of the Once In A Livetime show.
- The Rotterdam '98 fan club show. (Ideally complete. I would be very disappointed if they cut any of the banter)
- The complete Lives Scenes From New York show, in HD. (Though this would probably be better off as a mainline release; I know it was shot on film, so a HD version could be created. Maybe they could do both that and Score?)
- The entire Romavarium show.
- The BC&SL video compilation that Portnoy was originally going to do in the planned-but-abandoned final round of YtseJam bootlegs.
- Mike Portnoy's Shattered Fortress. (He did film a show (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KrxqgI4xhg) for potential future use. If DT and MP have an agreement to use his material for the Lost Not Forgotten Archives, this would be a fun one)

Audio:
- An I&W compilation release, featuring a version of every song played on the tour (plus jams like Slow Motion and Moon Bubbles). Ideally would largely include recordings we haven't heard before, such as the tracks cut from Live At The Marquee, and A Change Of Seasons from the Bonn, Germany show. (Bootlegs won't cover you on those last two; full bootlegs do circulate of both shows, but the quality is unimaginably shit. Do not bother seeking them out! :lol)
- A compilation of the December 1995 "Home for the holidays" shows
- A compilation of the December 1998 "Intimate evening" shows (or the 1998-12-30 whole show that MP wanted to release in the cancelled final round of YtseJam bootlegs)
- The entire 2004-04-03 show (the one where Eugene Friesen joined the band on cello).
- Falling Into Infinity: Definitive Edition (the original album tracks except mastered with more dynamic range, and the album versions of You Not Me, Hollow Years, Burning My Soul, Hell's Kitchen, Take Away My Pain, and Anna Lee are relegated to bonus tracks, with remixed/remastered demos replacing them, along with all the cut tracks included in similar quality to how they were on Cleaning Out The Closet. Presumably with a new track order, and all mixed/mastered in such a way as to create as much consistency as possible between different sets of recordings. Also, the Metropolis Pt. 2 demo is not included, because it doesn't count :P)

That last one is pretty much pure wishful thinking on my part (and tbh who knows if MP really will open up his archives again, so that's wishful thinking too), but hey, a man can Dream.

But to be honest, much as I have a huge wishlist, I'm sure whatever they do will be awesome. I imagine they most likely will port over everything that was on YJR, hopefully make it all digitally available this time, and throw in a handful of new things from what the band have at their disposal. And that's not a bad thing at all; there were a good few YJR releases I never got, and there's some awesome stuff they could do with what they currently have.
So, don't be deceived by my rather enormous, fanboyish laundry list; I'm quite excited for this, whatever form it takes. :)
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Architeuthis on February 16, 2021, 10:23:47 AM
Both LTE shows on Bluray or dvd.  LA and New York. 
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: axeman90210 on February 21, 2021, 06:21:20 AM
Would love for the full 2004/04/03 show that Robo mentioned to be released. Not only was it my first proper concert, but it's a hell of a setlist

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2004/the-theater-at-madison-square-garden-new-york-ny-7bd6d234.html
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 21, 2021, 08:29:58 AM
Would love for the full 2004/04/03 show that Robo mentioned to be released. Not only was it my first proper concert, but it's a hell of a setlist

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2004/the-theater-at-madison-square-garden-new-york-ny-7bd6d234.html

That would be a great release.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on February 22, 2021, 02:49:37 PM
I wonder if there is a recording of the 1994 Berklee School of Music show, which was my first DT show.  Would be nice to own that for posterity and it was a meaningful milestone for the band.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: TAC on February 22, 2021, 04:15:37 PM
I wonder if there is a recording of the 1994 Berklee School of Music show, which was my first DT show.  Would be nice to own that for posterity and it was a meaningful milestone for the band.

I have always thought that show would make the perfect Ytsejam show. Thankfully I recorded the show. ;D
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: gzarruk on March 01, 2021, 09:32:59 AM
Since I think this will be mostly focused on MM era material (at first, at least), it'd be really cool if they went with the same approach they had for the Happy Holidays release from 2013: Compile all the tracks that were performed live by that lineup, that weren't included in their official live album and release them in one package.

So far, this lineup has played, but hasn't reased any live versions of the following songs: Afterlife, Don't Look Past Me, Burning My Soul, Hell's Kitchen, About to Crash, Panic Attack, Constant Motion, Wither, The Bigger Picture, Behind the Veil and all of TA.*

There's just enough material for a great live tracks compilation imo. And they could do one dedicated TA live release, and the rest of the tracks I listed amount to a solid 1 hour set for another release :metal

*They apparently said they were going to release the IAW part of the Budokan 2017 show, so that's why I didn't include some IAW tracks + ACOS in the list.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Stadler on March 01, 2021, 09:45:17 AM
Since I think this will be mostly focused on MM era material (at first, at least), it'd be really cool if they went with the same approach they had for the Happy Holidays release from 2013: Compile all the tracks that were performed live by that lineup, that weren't included in their official live album and release them in one package.

So far, this lineup has played, but hasn't reased any live versions of the following songs: Afterlife, Don't Look Past Me, Burning My Soul, Hell's Kitchen, About to Crash, Panic Attack, Constant Motion, Wither, The Bigger Picture, Behind the Veil and all of TA.*

There's just enough material for a great live tracks compilation imo. And they could do one dedicated TA live release, and the rest of the tracks I listed amount to a solid 1 hour set for another release :metal

*They apparently said they were going to release the IAW part of the Budokan 2017 show, so that's why I didn't include some IAW tracks + ACOS in the list.

Do we know this?  (Honest question; I still haven't heard any of the interviews where the original commitment was made or referenced).
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: gzarruk on March 01, 2021, 10:11:40 AM
Since I think this will be mostly focused on MM era material (at first, at least), it'd be really cool if they went with the same approach they had for the Happy Holidays release from 2013: Compile all the tracks that were performed live by that lineup, that weren't included in their official live album and release them in one package.

So far, this lineup has played, but hasn't reased any live versions of the following songs: Afterlife, Don't Look Past Me, Burning My Soul, Hell's Kitchen, About to Crash, Panic Attack, Constant Motion, Wither, The Bigger Picture, Behind the Veil and all of TA.*

There's just enough material for a great live tracks compilation imo. And they could do one dedicated TA live release, and the rest of the tracks I listed amount to a solid 1 hour set for another release :metal

*They apparently said they were going to release the IAW part of the Budokan 2017 show, so that's why I didn't include some IAW tracks + ACOS in the list.

Do we know this?  (Honest question; I still haven't heard any of the interviews where the original commitment was made or referenced).

They haven't said anything about that, that's why I said "I think". It'd be just easier for them to dive into the stuff they already have in storage from the past 10 years, as opposed to something with MP in it, which, as far as I know, he was the one who kept all those files, not the other guys.

TL;DR: Just speculation on my part :biggrin:
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 01, 2021, 10:35:21 AM
Since I think this will be mostly focused on MM era material (at first, at least), it'd be really cool if they went with the same approach they had for the Happy Holidays release from 2013: Compile all the tracks that were performed live by that lineup, that weren't included in their official live album and release them in one package.

So far, this lineup has played, but hasn't reased any live versions of the following songs: Afterlife, Don't Look Past Me, Burning My Soul, Hell's Kitchen, About to Crash, Panic Attack, Constant Motion, Wither, The Bigger Picture, Behind the Veil and all of TA.*

There's just enough material for a great live tracks compilation imo. And they could do one dedicated TA live release, and the rest of the tracks I listed amount to a solid 1 hour set for another release :metal

*They apparently said they were going to release the IAW part of the Budokan 2017 show, so that's why I didn't include some IAW tracks + ACOS in the list.

That would be neat as well. I think they used the Christmas Song to test the waters to see just how many will pay and download if they go the Bandcamp route for Ytsejam style releases.

Actually, now I think about it more, it could be exactly what they did. Why would you have a website, when there is a service that allows you to sell songs and let's customers choose the price, especially for rare stuff like these Official Bootlegs.

I just hope they also decide to sell physical copies as well, and not just go digital only.

That compilation you suggested would be a fantastic first full on Lost Not Forgotten Archives release.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Setlist Scotty on March 01, 2021, 11:29:39 AM
Since I think this will be mostly focused on MM era material (at first, at least), it'd be really cool if they went with the same approach they had for the Happy Holidays release from 2013: Compile all the tracks that were performed live by that lineup, that weren't included in their official live album and release them in one package.
That was fine for the 2013 Fan Club release, but please no for anything from here on out. If they're gonna release live recordings, let them be of full shows. Not a fan of live compilations.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: devieira73 on March 01, 2021, 11:31:05 AM
And they could do one dedicated TA live release...

Since they didnít film any show, they should release it as a DVD, with the 3D animation of the history and characters showed during the shows along some great professional live photos from the tour.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Stadler on March 01, 2021, 12:18:05 PM
Since I think this will be mostly focused on MM era material (at first, at least), it'd be really cool if they went with the same approach they had for the Happy Holidays release from 2013: Compile all the tracks that were performed live by that lineup, that weren't included in their official live album and release them in one package.
That was fine for the 2013 Fan Club release, but please no for anything from here on out. If they're gonna release live recordings, let them be of full shows. Not a fan of live compilations.

Nor am I; I get it in extenuating circumstances, but not as a matter of course.  I'm also, I expect, in the minority in that I'm not thrilled with Bandcamp as the sole delivery system. 
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: TAC on March 01, 2021, 06:56:45 PM
Yeah, I'd have zero interest in a Bukokan I&W set only.

And yet, I jumped all over WDADRu.


Plus we already have the Fan Club CD of the 15th anniversary show from Germany.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Cool Chris on March 01, 2021, 08:34:50 PM
Plus we already have the Fan Club CD of the 15th anniversary show from Germany.

We do? I thought that was one of those rare items that not many people actually own(?)
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on March 01, 2021, 10:13:16 PM
Plus we already have the Fan Club CD of the 15th anniversary show from Germany.

We do? I thought that was one of those rare items that not many people actually own(?)

I have this. I signed up for the Voices UK Fan Club and actually got some of the later CDs and DVDs they released in real time. Damn, I miss this era of the band 2004-2009 were great years. I miss the Fan Club and Ytsejam releases. I'm on the edge of my seat for this Archive to start up.

Can't remember the last time I listened to the 2007 version of I&W because I don't think it was a great version. Maybe I'll listen to it soon, but I'd rather have the 2017 version (Budokan or otherwise) if they wanna package it up for me.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Robo4900 on March 02, 2021, 11:59:15 AM
*They apparently said they were going to release the IAW part of the Budokan 2017 show, so that's why I didn't include some IAW tracks + ACOS in the list.
When did they say this?

I would be a bit disappointed to see just the I&W part without the first set.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: gzarruk on March 02, 2021, 12:41:46 PM
*They apparently said they were going to release the IAW part of the Budokan 2017 show, so that's why I didn't include some IAW tracks + ACOS in the list.
When did they say this?

I would be a bit disappointed to see just the I&W part without the first set.

They said at the live Q&A they did after the Budokan stream earlier this year. (I didn't join the Q&A, but some people here did and posted about that).
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Vmadera00 on March 02, 2021, 04:27:02 PM
I don't remember them specifying the only I&W part, but I was only half paying attention.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: TAC on March 02, 2021, 04:29:22 PM
but I was only half paying attention.

Well that works out because you're only getting half the concert. ;D
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Setlist Scotty on March 02, 2021, 05:23:29 PM
I'm also, I expect, in the minority in that I'm not thrilled with Bandcamp as the sole delivery system.
Has that ever been established as fact - that they're going the Bandcamp route from now on?
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 02, 2021, 07:35:32 PM
I'm also, I expect, in the minority in that I'm not thrilled with Bandcamp as the sole delivery system.
Has that ever been established as fact - that they're going the Bandcamp route from now on?

No. That is an assumption on my part. That's just based on the Christmas Song that was released to Bandcamp. For all we know, they could just make their own site for their stuff.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: the keyboard wizard on March 03, 2021, 10:29:48 AM

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Now if you google Lost not forgotten archives Dream Theater, you get that URL: https://lostnotforgottenarchives.dreamtheater.net/collections/autograph-vinyl
Notice the end of the URL: autograph-vinyl. Sounds interesting, better start saving right now.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Setlist Scotty on March 03, 2021, 11:28:56 AM
I'm also, I expect, in the minority in that I'm not thrilled with Bandcamp as the sole delivery system.
Has that ever been established as fact - that they're going the Bandcamp route from now on?
No. That is an assumption on my part. That's just based on the Christmas Song that was released to Bandcamp. For all we know, they could just make their own site for their stuff.
Then it's best not to go there. That's where potentially false information comes from - ASSumptions. Remember, to ASSume makes an ass out of u and me.  ;)
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 03, 2021, 02:07:25 PM
I'm also, I expect, in the minority in that I'm not thrilled with Bandcamp as the sole delivery system.
Has that ever been established as fact - that they're going the Bandcamp route from now on?
No. That is an assumption on my part. That's just based on the Christmas Song that was released to Bandcamp. For all we know, they could just make their own site for their stuff.
Then it's best not to go there. That's where potentially false information comes from - ASSumptions. Remember, to ASSume makes an ass out of u and me.  ;)
:hat

It's not like it's out of the blue of nowhere in lollypop lane... :lol

My speculation they were using bandcamp was based off the christmas song and them mentioning Lost Not Forgotten Archives and thinking to myself, I wonder if they will use Bandcamp. If you took what I said as fact and not my opinion or speculation, isn't on my end.

But, as we got some good investigators, it's neat to see the links and the Archives coming to fruition. I can't wait regardless of how they decide to release these.

Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: MHStrawn on March 17, 2021, 08:10:56 PM
One of the reasons I'm kinda sour on Petrucci (beyond him largely mailing it in in terms of songwriting for much of the last 15 years) is when MP left the band he emphatically stated Ytsejam would continue, with more content and support. I'm not 100% sure but I don't think a single release has been added since MP left. Further, many of the previous releases are no longer available. Why commit to providing fans with something then just ignore that commitment?

Now, maybe I'm wrong. Haven't followed DT nearly as much the last 15 years, but I do recall checking in on YR and generally finding the exact same offerings that were available when MP was running things. If so, I'll admit my ignorance.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 18, 2021, 07:27:39 AM
One of the reasons I'm kinda sour on Petrucci (beyond him largely mailing it in in terms of songwriting for much of the last 15 years)
???
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: pg1067 on March 18, 2021, 09:35:50 AM
when MP left the band he emphatically stated Ytsejam would continue, with more content and support.

Can you provide a link to any statement that supports this assertion?
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 18, 2021, 09:58:40 AM
One of the reasons I'm kinda sour on Petrucci (beyond him largely mailing it in in terms of songwriting for much of the last 15 years) is when MP left the band he emphatically stated Ytsejam would continue, with more content and support. I'm not 100% sure but I don't think a single release has been added since MP left. Further, many of the previous releases are no longer available. Why commit to providing fans with something then just ignore that commitment?

Now, maybe I'm wrong. Haven't followed DT nearly as much the last 15 years, but I do recall checking in on YR and generally finding the exact same offerings that were available when MP was running things. If so, I'll admit my ignorance.

They never added anything new, but kept it running for those that still wanted to purchase those albums.

I am guessing, they had agreed to a 10 year contract, that expired last year, this is just speculation on my part.

What they have done is release The Happy Holidays download which are the songs they played during Manginis first tour.

Also, we have to remember, Mike Portnoy was the only one that is a big fan of Bootlegs. Hence why he recorded every show, also for himself to document everything he has done. And the one to take the reigns to actually listen to the shows. If they wanted a dvd, to dig for the best possible video.

There's a lot that goes into releasing these types of Ytsejam releases.

It's why no one else does it that much, because they don't want to do all that work that goes along with it. Not everyone has the amount of energy and drive that Mike Portnoy has. And why I feel, Mike Portnoy spoils a lot of his fan base.

I myself, an looking forward to when they reveal The Lost Not Forgotten Archives and what is in them.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: JediKnight1969 on April 02, 2021, 11:21:22 AM
NudesSORRY! WRONG FORUM...

I'd like a BR of that show when they played Erotomania full of mistakes on purpose. Don't remember when and where.

I assume that's impossible, right?
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Robo4900 on April 06, 2021, 12:03:12 PM
NudesSORRY! WRONG FORUM...

I'd like a BR of that show when they played Erotomania full of mistakes on purpose. Don't remember when and where.

I assume that's impossible, right?
Probably.

They might be able to do a DVD if someone happened to film it on a handheld camcorder, but you would never get Blu-ray-worthy video out of that.

But, even then, to do that at all they would probably need to talk to Mike Portnoy about getting a copy of it (plus the audio) from his archive.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Setlist Scotty on April 06, 2021, 12:17:28 PM
NudesSORRY! WRONG FORUM...

I'd like a BR of that show when they played Erotomania full of mistakes on purpose. Don't remember when and where.

I assume that's impossible, right?
Probably.

They might be able to do a DVD if someone happened to film it on a handheld camcorder, but you would never get Blu-ray-worthy video out of that.

But, even then, to do that at all they would probably need to talk to Mike Portnoy about getting a copy of it (plus the audio) from his archive.
Robo - do you know what show JK1969 is talking about? I don't remember ever hearing about that.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Dream Team on April 06, 2021, 02:06:52 PM
One of the reasons I'm kinda sour on Petrucci (beyond him largely mailing it in in terms of songwriting for much of the last 15 years) is when MP left the band he emphatically stated Ytsejam would continue, with more content and support. I'm not 100% sure but I don't think a single release has been added since MP left. Further, many of the previous releases are no longer available. Why commit to providing fans with something then just ignore that commitment?

Now, maybe I'm wrong. Haven't followed DT nearly as much the last 15 years, but I do recall checking in on YR and generally finding the exact same offerings that were available when MP was running things. If so, I'll admit my ignorance.

Just saw this. So even though you havenít paid much attention to DT, you somehow know JPís been mailing in the songwriting? Rrriiighttt. My troll alarm is ringing full-bore. JPís written some amazing songs in the last 15 years, too bad you missed them.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Stadler on April 06, 2021, 02:49:18 PM
One of the reasons I'm kinda sour on Petrucci (beyond him largely mailing it in in terms of songwriting for much of the last 15 years) is when MP left the band he emphatically stated Ytsejam would continue, with more content and support. I'm not 100% sure but I don't think a single release has been added since MP left. Further, many of the previous releases are no longer available. Why commit to providing fans with something then just ignore that commitment?

Now, maybe I'm wrong. Haven't followed DT nearly as much the last 15 years, but I do recall checking in on YR and generally finding the exact same offerings that were available when MP was running things. If so, I'll admit my ignorance.

Just saw this. So even though you havenít paid much attention to DT, you somehow know JPís been mailing in the songwriting? Rrriiighttt. My troll alarm is ringing full-bore. JPís written some amazing songs in the last 15 years, too bad you missed them.

He, the poster, may or may not be trolling, I have no idea.  But it was said from John and the band that all the things Mike did, they would divvy up between them and keep doing, and it didn't really play out that way.  Can't really deny that, even if you don't think it's all that big a deal (fair enough if you don't).
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Robo4900 on April 06, 2021, 04:50:18 PM
NudesSORRY! WRONG FORUM...

I'd like a BR of that show when they played Erotomania full of mistakes on purpose. Don't remember when and where.

I assume that's impossible, right?
Probably.

They might be able to do a DVD if someone happened to film it on a handheld camcorder, but you would never get Blu-ray-worthy video out of that.

But, even then, to do that at all they would probably need to talk to Mike Portnoy about getting a copy of it (plus the audio) from his archive.
Robo - do you know what show JK1969 is talking about? I don't remember ever hearing about that.
No idea, sorry. It's news to me too.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: darkshade on April 06, 2021, 09:00:53 PM
An album's worth of Mangini drum solos.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 07, 2021, 07:19:18 AM
One of the reasons I'm kinda sour on Petrucci (beyond him largely mailing it in in terms of songwriting for much of the last 15 years) is when MP left the band he emphatically stated Ytsejam would continue, with more content and support. I'm not 100% sure but I don't think a single release has been added since MP left. Further, many of the previous releases are no longer available. Why commit to providing fans with something then just ignore that commitment?

Now, maybe I'm wrong. Haven't followed DT nearly as much the last 15 years, but I do recall checking in on YR and generally finding the exact same offerings that were available when MP was running things. If so, I'll admit my ignorance.

Just saw this. So even though you havenít paid much attention to DT, you somehow know JPís been mailing in the songwriting? Rrriiighttt. My troll alarm is ringing full-bore. JPís written some amazing songs in the last 15 years, too bad you missed them.

He, the poster, may or may not be trolling, I have no idea.  But it was said from John and the band that all the things Mike did, they would divvy up between them and keep doing, and it didn't really play out that way.  Can't really deny that, even if you don't think it's all that big a deal (fair enough if you don't).
Yeah, but that's not the part of the comment that Dream Team was taking exception to.  He was talking specifically about JP's songwriting.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 07, 2021, 11:08:08 AM
One of the reasons I'm kinda sour on Petrucci (beyond him largely mailing it in in terms of songwriting for much of the last 15 years) is when MP left the band he emphatically stated Ytsejam would continue, with more content and support. I'm not 100% sure but I don't think a single release has been added since MP left. Further, many of the previous releases are no longer available. Why commit to providing fans with something then just ignore that commitment?

Now, maybe I'm wrong. Haven't followed DT nearly as much the last 15 years, but I do recall checking in on YR and generally finding the exact same offerings that were available when MP was running things. If so, I'll admit my ignorance.

Just saw this. So even though you havenít paid much attention to DT, you somehow know JPís been mailing in the songwriting? Rrriiighttt. My troll alarm is ringing full-bore. JPís written some amazing songs in the last 15 years, too bad you missed them.

He, the poster, may or may not be trolling, I have no idea.  But it was said from John and the band that all the things Mike did, they would divvy up between them and keep doing, and it didn't really play out that way.  Can't really deny that, even if you don't think it's all that big a deal (fair enough if you don't).
Yeah, but that's not the part of the comment that Dream Team was taking exception to.  He was talking specifically about JP's songwriting.

And that is his Opinion, and is also, not what he was talking about anyways....

Here's what I think happened with regards to Ytsejam. MP was the only one who is adamant about keeping live show recordings. He also went out of his way to listen to these archives find one that is a really good show, and what he felt deserves to be heard by the fans. MP himself is a music fan, and did things with the band that he wanted himself as a fan, and now was able to do those things with his own band.

The other guys realized just how much MP did, and took upon himself to do, that when they tried, they just couldn't do it. So they left it alone, and didn't bother, because they are not MP and do not have that Fan Mindset that MP has. It's a lot of work to make an unofficial bootleg. And the guys have other interests and families, as well. MP's interest was these bootlegs, he enjoyed doing all the work involved in releasing these bootlegs.

That's why I say, us DT fans, were spoiled by Mike Portnoy, with all these goodies that he took upon himself to give us. That was nice, but now since it's gone, it's like people are upset because the benefits are gone.

The only member that I see that is close to how MP's mindset was, is Jordan Rudess. He likes to film, and record, things. And mostly all the videos we've seen from behind the scenes came from JR. MP was the one who always had a camera, he was the one whom recorded the behind the scenes documentation for albums, all those were recorded by MP's Camera. If he hadn't done so, there would be no Behind The Scenes. The band hired a filming crew to document the current album progress, that would've been done by MP himself. But fans want a behind the scenes, and honestly, this is the time to document that process.


Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 07, 2021, 11:48:19 AM
And that is his Opinion, and is also, not what he was talking about anyways....
Stadler responded to Dream Team about his response to MHStrawn.  But he responded as if Dream Team was responding to MHStrawn's entire post, which he wasn't.  Look, and follow the bolded sections.

One of the reasons I'm kinda sour on Petrucci (beyond him largely mailing it in in terms of songwriting for much of the last 15 years) is when MP left the band he emphatically stated Ytsejam would continue, with more content and support. I'm not 100% sure but I don't think a single release has been added since MP left. Further, many of the previous releases are no longer available. Why commit to providing fans with something then just ignore that commitment?

Now, maybe I'm wrong. Haven't followed DT nearly as much the last 15 years, but I do recall checking in on YR and generally finding the exact same offerings that were available when MP was running things. If so, I'll admit my ignorance.

Just saw this. So even though you havenít paid much attention to DT, you somehow know JPís been mailing in the songwriting? Rrriiighttt. My troll alarm is ringing full-bore. JPís written some amazing songs in the last 15 years, too bad you missed them.

He, the poster, may or may not be trolling, I have no idea.  But it was said from John and the band that all the things Mike did, they would divvy up between them and keep doing, and it didn't really play out that way.  Can't really deny that, even if you don't think it's all that big a deal (fair enough if you don't).

Stadler's response didn't even touch on JP's songwriting, which was the only part of MHStrawn's post to which Dream Team responded.  He didn't even address any of the YtseJam stuff.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Stadler on April 08, 2021, 07:29:32 AM
My only point - ONLY point - was that whether MHStrawn was trolling or not wasn't material to the underlying facts.  I'm not weighing in whether it's good or bad, whether they SHOULD have continued or not, or whether John's songwriting has improved, declined, or stayed the same. 

IF Dream Team was ONLY talking about John's songwriting, then fair enough; that's not a fact, that's one fan's opinion that cannot be proved one way or another anyway, so it's sort of moot.   The IMPLICATION, at least as I read it, though, was that the concept of "TROLL" invalidated ALL of what MHStrawn was saying, and I just wanted to go on record as saying that was a false assumption.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 08, 2021, 07:38:48 AM
Yes, but it seems to me that it was the disparaging of JP's songwriting that led to the aforementioned Troll accusation.


OK, I know this is the internet and all, but this is a pretty silly thing to be talking about.  Sorry to drag it out like this.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 08, 2021, 08:51:34 AM
I am interested in why he thinks and feels JP is mailing in the songwriting.

I am not calling him a Troll over that opinion either.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Enigmachine on April 08, 2021, 12:25:47 PM
I understand that A Dramatic Turn of Events and the self titled are usually considered safer efforts, even if I wouldn't consider them to be mailing things in, but with stuff like the new musical directions and vast structures of Systematic Chaos and Black Clouds, as well as the more densely packed and dynamic songwriting of both TA and D/T (both of which also including songs with novel ideas like Three Days, Lord Nafaryus, Room 137 and Pale Blue Dot), the accusation puzzles me.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: omie on April 24, 2021, 12:23:15 PM
There's a release date for "Lost Not Forgotten Archives" Does this mean they'll be releasing several releases from different years?
https://www.amazon.com/Lost-Not-Forgotten-Archives-Images/dp/B093C8287F/ref=sr_1_450?dchild=1&qid=1619288036&s=music&sr=1-450
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Super Dude on April 24, 2021, 12:50:40 PM
I am interested in why he thinks and feels JP is mailing in the songwriting.

I am not calling him a Troll over that opinion either.

To be fair, I haven't been all that impressed by any of the band's songwriting since the self-titled, JP's included. The magic just seems to be gone.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: gzarruk on April 24, 2021, 01:00:58 PM
There's a release date for "Lost Not Forgotten Archives" Does this mean they'll be releasing several releases from different years?
https://www.amazon.com/Lost-Not-Forgotten-Archives-Images/dp/B093C8287F/ref=sr_1_450?dchild=1&qid=1619288036&s=music&sr=1-450

Nice find! Interestingly enough, the one you linked only lists the IAW part of the set (I thought they were going to include ACOS too) and the biggest surprise to me is that it'll also be released under IO Music.

Maybe they'll do several releases under the same LNFA series and even a box set of all of them if they do offer physical media.
EDIT: They're offering this as CD and Vinyl. Interesting.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Stadler on April 26, 2021, 06:46:25 AM
Not to be a naysayer - at all - but Amazon isn't always foolproof.   I'm sure the title and artwork is accurate, but beyond that, I'm not taking anything as gospel from there.   
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Schurftkut on April 26, 2021, 04:47:18 PM
the cdversion says it's about an hour, and the vinyl version over 2hours.. :huh:
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on April 26, 2021, 05:06:07 PM
the cdversion says it's about an hour, and the vinyl version over 2hours.. :huh:

The vinyl, I'm sure, comes with the CD. Total time is probably vinyl+CD.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: jonny108 on May 05, 2021, 06:20:56 AM
Website now live - https://lostnotforgottenarchives.dreamtheater.net (https://lostnotforgottenarchives.dreamtheater.net)
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: dvargas on May 05, 2021, 06:34:20 AM
Website now live - https://lostnotforgottenarchives.dreamtheater.net (https://lostnotforgottenarchives.dreamtheater.net)

Awesome news.  Need to get my hands on some of those YtseJam releases.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: gzarruk on May 05, 2021, 07:20:06 AM
Quote
Coming June 25, 2021 pre-order your copy today! Orders with both pre-order and in stock items will have all in stock items shipped immediately!

Part Of The "Lost Not Forgotten" Archives! Previously Unreleased Live Recording!
The Entire Images And Words Album Performed Live!

Dream Theater, the two-time GRAMMY-nominated and millions-selling legends of progressive music, are pleased to announce the "Lost Not Forgotten Archives." This fresh collaboration between the band and record label InsideOutMusic will see the virtuosic quintet's long-standing Ytsejam Records catalog reissued, alongside some brand-new additions to this special collector's series.

Ytsejam Records previously played host to Dream Theater's official bootleg release collection comprising of live shows, demos & studio outtakes from throughout the band's prolific career. As part of "Lost Not Forgotten Archives," the entirety of the collection will be reissued on CD, as well as for the very first time on vinyl and digital, with brand new artwork and packaging. The band have also been busy digging into their encyclopedic vault to find some very special, previously unreleased material. The first brand new release in the reinvigorated archival series will be a recording of the band's start-to-finish performance of their classic second ever studio album, Images and Words, taken from their performance at Tokyo, Japan's legendary Budokan venue in September of 2017.

Following this inaugural "Lost Not Forgotten Archives" release, the extensive back catalog of Ytsejam Records offerings will start to be reissued throughout the next several years. Plenty more previously unreleased material will get its initial publication, presenting an absolute treasure trove of Dream Theater music for fans both old and new to explore.

https://elusivedisc.com/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-images-and-words-live-in-japan-2017-2lp-cd/?fbclid=IwAR3kPJor3-QYzORlpgGZ9rpnOWAUbTAFqsDnuMlD5amj17TXVJw8WUFI5Jk
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: devieira73 on May 05, 2021, 08:11:59 AM
"...Following this inaugural "Lost Not Forgotten Archives" release, the extensive back catalog of Ytsejam Records offerings will start to be reissued throughout the next several years"
So, finally it seems that, although only reissues, DT will embrace to release something from the past with MP. Let's hope they will release, at some point, the "lost not forgotten" DVD from Black Clouds japanese tour.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: goo-goo on May 05, 2021, 08:16:54 AM
Sucks that the video portion won't be released.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: TAC on May 05, 2021, 08:18:38 AM
I feel like we're going to be sitting here a year from now with this one release.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: devieira73 on May 05, 2021, 09:49:14 AM
Sucks that the video portion won't be released.

I'm not much of a complainer, but we were waiting for this release for almost 4 years, and release less than half of the show and only audio? Business reasons and all, but unfortunately it's disappointing.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 05, 2021, 09:56:01 AM
Sucks that the video portion won't be released.

I'm not much of a complainer, but we were waiting for this release for almost 4 years, and release less than half of the show and only audio? Business reasons and all, but unfortunately it's disappointing.

Not disappointing to me. What's disappointing is them not releasing A Change of Seasons as well.

I also, was not expecting them to release the TV special as well. Depending on who has the rights to that show, that could also play into it.

Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Trav86 on May 05, 2021, 11:42:33 AM
I feel like we're going to be sitting here a year from now with this one release.

I feel what youíre feeling.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: pg1067 on May 05, 2021, 12:57:09 PM
So...the initial/only offering is a $250 vinyl record???

Autographed is cool, but seriously??  Am I supposed to listen to this while I drink my $200 bottle of JP bourbon?
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: gzarruk on May 05, 2021, 01:49:51 PM
So...the initial/only offering is a $250 vinyl record???

Autographed is cool, but seriously??  Am I supposed to listen to this while I drink my $200 bottle of JP bourbon?

This link has a 2LP + 1 CD bundle for $40 (https://elusivedisc.com/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-images-and-words-live-in-japan-2017-2lp-cd/?fbclid=IwAR3kPJor3-QYzORlpgGZ9rpnOWAUbTAFqsDnuMlD5amj17TXVJw8WUFI5Jk). My guess is the official link hasn't been finished yet, that's why they haven't announced it.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: HOF on May 05, 2021, 03:32:42 PM
Iím in for some of the demo CDs I never was able to get from Ytsejam if they arenít in some ridiculous combo package.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: pg1067 on May 05, 2021, 04:06:06 PM
So...the initial/only offering is a $250 vinyl record???

Autographed is cool, but seriously??  Am I supposed to listen to this while I drink my $200 bottle of JP bourbon?

This link has a 2LP + 1 CD bundle for $40 (https://elusivedisc.com/dream-theater-lost-not-forgotten-archives-images-and-words-live-in-japan-2017-2lp-cd/?fbclid=IwAR3kPJor3-QYzORlpgGZ9rpnOWAUbTAFqsDnuMlD5amj17TXVJw8WUFI5Jk). My guess is the official link hasn't been finished yet, that's why they haven't announced it.

If there's a CD only option, I might be interested, but I'm not paying money for useless vinyl.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: devieira73 on May 05, 2021, 04:10:02 PM

CD only.
https://www.amazon.com/Lost-Not-Forgotten-Archives-Images/dp/B093B6J6Y2/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Dream+theater+lost+not+forgotten&qid=1620252558&sr=8-1
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: gzarruk on May 05, 2021, 04:53:15 PM
Official post by the band:

Quote
Dream Theater, in conjunction with Inside Out Music are pleased to officially announce the 'Lost Not Forgotten Archivesí, which will see the long-standing Ytsejam Records catalog reissued and remastered alongside some brand new additions to this special collectors series. Released on CD as well as vinyl and digital for the first time, with brand new artwork, they will also be available in limited, autographed special editions direct from the band. Dream Theater are proud to present this exciting new series, starting with the first release, ĎImages and Words - Live in Japan, 2017í. Available for pre-order May 14th, releasing June 25th. https://lostnotforgottenarchives.dreamtheater.net

https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/posts/319032042922002
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Trav86 on May 05, 2021, 05:04:49 PM
Iím excited about the digital remastered rereleases of the ytsejam bootlegs.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: zappafrank2112 on May 05, 2021, 05:05:02 PM
Ever since the YJR site closed, I've been on a mission to buy some missing stuff.  But I've been smart about it, either buying directly from someone here who needed some extra cash (so I was more than happy to pay a little over YJR prices), or by buying on Ebay only when the final price + shipping came out to what it would have been on the YJR site.

Still, it's nice to know that I can fill in some gaps if I want to of the OG sruff.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: paulstfu on May 05, 2021, 06:35:40 PM
Good lord. The only "NEW" things I really wish they release are:

- Any live show of TA
- The full High Voltage 2011 show
- Any D/T tour show
- Download Fest 09

And the ones I see kinda difficult/near impossible to release, but I really wish they do, are:

- The final MP Show
- Any show of the BC&SL era
- PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD RELEASE THE MAKING OF SDOIT, I PRAY TO GOD THEY COULD GIFT US WITH THAT  :hefdaddy
- Tokyo 01/17/2006
- Making of Octavarium, SC and BC&SL
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Peter Mc on May 05, 2021, 06:53:22 PM
Isnít Distant Memories a D/T tour show?
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Trav86 on May 05, 2021, 08:17:35 PM
Good lord. The only "NEW" things I really wish they release are:

- Any live show of TA
- The full High Voltage 2011 show
- Any D/T tour show
- Download Fest 09

And the ones I see kinda difficult/near impossible to release, but I really wish they do, are:

- The final MP Show
- Any show of the BC&SL era
- PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD RELEASE THE MAKING OF SDOIT, I PRAY TO GOD THEY COULD GIFT US WITH THAT  :hefdaddy
- Tokyo 01/17/2006
- Making of Octavarium, SC and BC&SL

That High Voltage show is the only thing I would be interested in from the last 10 years. Or just any show from that summer tour. It was a great setlist covering every album up to that point.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: faizoff on May 05, 2021, 08:41:06 PM
Glad they finally got the ball rolling but I'm going to be cautious and see how often they do these updates and how much of the vault stuff gets released. Though I am happy about the ytsejam re-releases, hopefully some of the DVDs get released that were out of stock.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Cool Chris on May 05, 2021, 09:07:25 PM
I do not have high hopes for this endeavor as it pertains to my own interests, but am glad they are launching something new and potentially exciting for the fans.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on May 05, 2021, 09:10:57 PM
I'm pretty pumped for this. I will say that I'm a little bummed that after ten years they only come out with ONE new release, let alone being an incomplete show. But excited for the future of these archives.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Mladen on May 06, 2021, 04:59:35 AM
I would love to support this when it becomes possible to purchase one of the releases. Given that there is no touring at the moment, the guys used the opportunity to finally invest in the official bootlegs. Good call.  :tup
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Trav86 on May 06, 2021, 05:22:57 AM
They mention remastering the old Ytsejam official bootlegs, and giving them new cover art. So...that shows they have some kind of specific idea which would mean it is some kind of priority.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: nikatapi on May 06, 2021, 05:25:18 AM
I wonder if they'll make them available on streaming platforms.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Trav86 on May 06, 2021, 05:34:11 AM
Hopefully. They said theyíll be available digitally. And really, in this day and age, a band at their level should release everything on streaming platforms. It doesnít make much sense not to.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Robo4900 on May 06, 2021, 09:51:09 AM
They mention remastering the old Ytsejam official bootlegs, and giving them new cover art. So...that shows they have some kind of specific idea which would mean it is some kind of priority.
They mention reissuing, not remastering.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: HOF on May 06, 2021, 10:52:59 AM
They mention remastering the old Ytsejam official bootlegs, and giving them new cover art. So...that shows they have some kind of specific idea which would mean it is some kind of priority.
They mention reissuing, not remastering.

No, they mentioned both. From a little ways up:

Official post by the band:

Quote
Dream Theater, in conjunction with Inside Out Music are pleased to officially announce the 'Lost Not Forgotten Archivesí, which will see the long-standing Ytsejam Records catalog reissued and remastered alongside some brand new additions to this special collectors series. Released on CD as well as vinyl and digital for the first time, with brand new artwork, they will also be available in limited, autographed special editions direct from the band. Dream Theater are proud to present this exciting new series, starting with the first release, ĎImages and Words - Live in Japan, 2017í. Available for pre-order May 14th, releasing June 25th. https://lostnotforgottenarchives.dreamtheater.net

https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/posts/319032042922002
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: KevShmev on May 06, 2021, 03:39:05 PM
I do not have high hopes for this endeavor as it pertains to my own interests, but am glad they are launching something new and potentially exciting for the fans.

This is my take as well.  A well-shot official bootleg DVD or Blu-ray of a full show from The Astonishing tour is I really care about getting at this point, but I won't hold my breath.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Trav86 on May 06, 2021, 04:05:38 PM
I do not have high hopes for this endeavor as it pertains to my own interests, but am glad they are launching something new and potentially exciting for the fans.

This is my take as well.  A well-shot official bootleg DVD or Blu-ray of a full show from The Astonishing tour is I really care about getting at this point, but I won't hold my breath.

I think I remember JP saying they had a full recorded Astonishing show in the can, but no video.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 06, 2021, 06:08:41 PM
I do not have high hopes for this endeavor as it pertains to my own interests, but am glad they are launching something new and potentially exciting for the fans.
This is my take as well.  A well-shot official bootleg DVD or Blu-ray of a full show from The Astonishing tour is I really care about getting at this point, but I won't hold my breath.
I think I remember JP saying they had a full recorded Astonishing show in the can, but no video.
Actually, they've multi-tracked all the shows, so they have plenty to choose from, and I can see them mixing and matching to get the "ultimate" performance with minimal re-recording needing to be done.

As for the video, correct. In fact, JP mentioned that there's very little audience shot video footage because of the ban they had on using phones/cameras during that tour. While he didn't say so, you can kinda tell he's kicking himself now for that decision (of not letting people use their phones/cameras).
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Weymolith on May 06, 2021, 08:14:23 PM

As for the video, correct. In fact, JP mentioned that there's very little audience shot video footage because of the ban they had on using phones/cameras during that tour. While he didn't say so, you can kinda tell he's kicking himself now for that decision (of not letting people use their phones/cameras).

I know of one complete audience recorded video of The Astonishing tour. You can find it on YouTube.

I'm sure that if they wanted to, they have the entire shows worth of on screen videos they could pull from.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Robo4900 on May 10, 2021, 11:16:24 AM
They mention remastering the old Ytsejam official bootlegs, and giving them new cover art. So...that shows they have some kind of specific idea which would mean it is some kind of priority.
They mention reissuing, not remastering.

No, they mentioned both. From a little ways up:

[snip]

Oh.

Well, that's very good.

I wonder if this means we'll get better quality copies of the FII demos; I always found the low frequencies really overpowering on that release. It would be great to have a version more akin to how some of these demos sounded on Cleaning Out the Closet (or the Hollow Years single, in the case of You Or Me, or the Japanese FII bonus disc for Take Away My Pain).

Regarding Astonishing:
An audio-only release would be quite nice, but it would be GREAT if they could get some audience video and use the tour visuals to make a full version of the Astonishing Live, from various shows. I've certainly seen audience video of the tour go around; I'm aware of a decent chunk of the first London show existing on video.
If the band reached out to fans to share video with them, maybe they would get enough footage to use.
Failing that, as Weymolith notes, the screen videos would also work.

Another potentially fun prospect would be for DT to do a one-off Astonishing show in New York before their next album releases. Film it, and use that.
It would be a big undertaking, and I'm probably kidding myself by even suggesting the possibility of this, but it's a fun thought at least.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Peter Mc on May 10, 2021, 03:19:00 PM
It looks like theyíre releasing these things in partnership with insideout though so I doubt theyíd want to put out a video some dude made on his phone.  There would have to be a level of quality control.

I think they will do a one-off show of The Astonishing for posterity one day, maybe in a few years when (they hope) it has grown in appreciation a bit and people would be excited to see it.  After the actual tour for The Astonishing, followed by I&W in full, followed by SFAM in full, I donít think the appetite is there for it right now.  For a one off, maybe they could even get some guest singers in to play some of the different parts, an orchestra maybe?  Make it a bit of an event.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 11, 2021, 06:30:42 AM
I think they will do a one-off show of The Astonishing for posterity one day, maybe in a few years when (they hope) it has grown in appreciation a bit and people would be excited to see it.  After the actual tour for The Astonishing, followed by I&W in full, followed by SFAM in full, I donít think the appetite is there for it right now.  For a one off, maybe they could even get some guest singers in to play some of the different parts, an orchestra maybe?  Make it a bit of an event.
I don't think that will ever happen.  No way could they recoup the massive cost (in money or time) for such a thing.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Peter Mc on May 11, 2021, 12:30:44 PM
I wonít pretend to have any idea how much stuff costs but most people recoup the costs of a show by selling tickets to said show.  They could then release in expensive deluxe box set editions and stuff.  Like I say though, Iím probably talking out of my arse.  I have no idea what it would cost to put on one show and record it for dvd release.  If Neal Morse can do it for his Jesus Christ The Exorcist thing though, why canít DT manage it?
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 11, 2021, 12:35:14 PM
I wonít pretend to have any idea how much stuff costs but most people recoup the costs of a show by selling tickets to said show.  They could then release in expensive deluxe box set editions and stuff.  Like I say though, Iím probably talking out of my arse.  I have no idea what it would cost to put on one show and record it for dvd release.
Well, I'll just say that there is a reason that most acts don't do one-off shows.  The costs of the production and sets are recouped by a tour, not one night.

Given how divisive the album was among the fanbase, I'm not sure what the market would be after this much time for a deluxe box set edition.

*shrugs*
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Peter Mc on May 11, 2021, 12:42:00 PM
The divisiveness is why Iím saying they would have to wait and see if fans grow to appreciate it in the coming years and thereís enough interest.  Even now though, in this very small sample on here, it seems to be the number one suggestion for a future LNF release.

Perhaps they could do this during a tour so they have all the sets and screens already there.

I just think if Neal Morse can manage to get a Jesus Christ The Exorcist show done, why not DT?
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 11, 2021, 12:59:22 PM
The divisiveness is why Iím saying they would have to wait and see if fans grow to appreciate it in the coming years and thereís enough interest.  Even now though, in this very small sample on here, it seems to be the number one suggestion for a future LNF release.

Perhaps they could do this during a tour so they have all the sets and screens already there.

I just think if Neal Morse can manage to get a Jesus Christ The Exorcist show done, why not DT?
The production set for The Astonishing was the biggest of DT's career.  It was one reason the show was so awesome.  They won't already be there.

Are you suggesting DT do one night of The Astonishing on their next tour?  With that tour's production and set?  That would be weird, and definitely not worth the trouble.  Not to mention having to learn and prepare a whole other concert's worth of material in the middle of a tour for which they've already prepared.

I'm not saying it's impossible.  I just find it highly unlikely.

There is no comparison between Neal Morse and DT in tour production.  That's just two different animals.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: pg1067 on May 11, 2021, 01:20:40 PM
Well, I'll just say that there is a reason that most acts don't do one-off shows.  The costs of the production and sets are recouped by a tour, not one night.

This, exactly.  For example, if $X is the cost to put on a single show, the cost to put on TEN shows won't be $10X.  Rather, it would be something like $2X.  If revenue per show is $0.20X, then you're breaking even with the tenth show and will be earning profit from each additional show.  Unless they could get folks to pay through the teeth for a single show, it would be very hard to do it at a profit (even if you add revenue from an album/video).
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Peter Mc on May 11, 2021, 01:50:52 PM
The divisiveness is why Iím saying they would have to wait and see if fans grow to appreciate it in the coming years and thereís enough interest.  Even now though, in this very small sample on here, it seems to be the number one suggestion for a future LNF release.

Perhaps they could do this during a tour so they have all the sets and screens already there.

I just think if Neal Morse can manage to get a Jesus Christ The Exorcist show done, why not DT?
The production set for The Astonishing was the biggest of DT's career.  It was one reason the show was so awesome.  They won't already be there.

Are you suggesting DT do one night of The Astonishing on their next tour?  With that tour's production and set?  That would be weird, and definitely not worth the trouble.  Not to mention having to learn and prepare a whole other concert's worth of material in the middle of a tour for which they've already prepared.

I'm not saying it's impossible.  I just find it highly unlikely.

There is no comparison between Neal Morse and DT in tour production.  That's just two different animals.

Theyíre not going to get the awesome set back agreed, thatís gone.  Would it really be that weird to use their set during a standard tour though.  Itís usually just lights and screens for DT, nothing particularly pertaining to that particular album.  Is it too different from when they used to do cover album shows mid-tour?  I know they have stayed away from that post Portnoy but itís not like theyíre learning someone elseís album, just re-learning their own. 

Letís say theyíre playing the U.K. on the tour for their current album and say ďweíre doing an extra special separate show at the Royal Albert Hall for the 10th anniversary of The Astonishing to be filmed for a live dvd.Ē

Would it be a bit of a ball ache to arrange? Probably but if (and only if) they felt the interest was there and JP really wanted something special to document this huge undertaking of an album he came up with, it could surely be done.

I just think itís weird that they donít have a live dvd of this album.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 11, 2021, 02:24:34 PM
Theyíre not going to get the awesome set back agreed, thatís gone.  Would it really be that weird to use their set during a standard tour though. 
Yeah, kind of.

I was at the final show of the Astonishing tour.  It was awesome.  Seeing it performed in any lesser way has no appeal for me whatsoever, and I love the album.

Itís usually just lights and screens for DT, nothing particularly pertaining to that particular album.  Is it too different from when they used to do cover album shows mid-tour?
They have come a long way since then, production-wise.

I know they have stayed away from that post Portnoy but itís not like theyíre learning someone elseís album, just re-learning their own. 
That would be a huge pain in the ass.  Again, I'm not saying that it's impossible, but it's a big enough pain in the ass that I would be shocked if they did it.


I just think itís weird that they donít have a live dvd of this album.
It's definitely weird that they didn't film a show when they were on that tour.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: gzarruk on May 11, 2021, 02:33:21 PM
I just think itís weird that they donít have a live dvd of this album.
It's definitely weird that they didn't film a show when they were on that tour.

I think the reason (excuse) they gave at the time was that live DVD/Blu-ray albums weren't selling as well and they didn't want to do it because of that, but I think it had more to do with TA not being that well received by a significant portion of the fanbase. They also apparently changed their plans mid tour and instead of touring Asia/Australia, etc. for TA, they did the IAW anniversary tour instead, which scrapped all the chances they had to record one of those later shows.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: goo-goo on May 11, 2021, 02:40:48 PM
I think the only way they could record TA for a video release would be to schedule a 2 night stint in one city  (kind of what they did when they covered a full album) and make the 2nd one the TA set and record it. Major undertaking as far as learning the material and not screwing up but it's feasible. I don't see it happening any other way to be honest.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: ZirconBlue on May 11, 2021, 07:26:25 PM


I just think itís weird that they donít have a live dvd of this album.
It's definitely weird that they didn't film a show when they were on that tour.

I think the reason (excuse) they gave at the time was that live DVD/Blu-ray albums weren't selling as well and they didn't want to do it because of that, but I think it had more to do with TA not being that well received by a significant portion of the fanbase. They also apparently changed their plans mid tour and instead of touring Asia/Australia, etc. for TA, they did the IAW anniversary tour instead, which scrapped all the chances they had to record one of those later shows.



Bosk has addressed this before, but my recollection was that there was a specific show(s) planned for recording, but that fell through and they weren't able to reschedule.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 12, 2021, 07:29:27 AM
They also apparently changed their plans mid tour and instead of touring Asia/Australia, etc. for TA, they did the IAW anniversary tour instead, which scrapped all the chances they had to record one of those later shows.
They may have changed their mind about touring Asia/Australia, but it didn't have anything to do with the IAW tour, and didn't happen mid-tour, at least to my knowledge.  That tour didn't get announced until the extra added North American leg of the Astonishing tour.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on May 12, 2021, 01:22:26 PM
The more I think about this release, the less excited I am about it.

With Ytsejam, they were putting out 3-4 releases at a time. This one seems to be just one release (we'll see when the product releases on Friday). And on top of that, it's a) An incomplete live show, would have been much better to get Set One and Encore (both of which were more interesting than I&W); b) something we just paid for a few months ago to stream (I wish they had offered a package for stream/CD/vinyl back then).

I dunno. Maybe they'll release more frequently than the one-a-year that Ytsejam was doing. I don't foresee that, but it could happen. I'm VERY excited for the FUTURE releases, and I'll definitely get this one. I just wish there was more off the bat than just 8 songs/live versions I've already heard.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Trav86 on May 12, 2021, 06:28:35 PM
The more I think about this release, the less excited I am about it.

With Ytsejam, they were putting out 3-4 releases at a time. This one seems to be just one release (we'll see when the product releases on Friday). And on top of that, it's a) An incomplete live show, would have been much better to get Set One and Encore (both of which were more interesting than I&W); b) something we just paid for a few months ago to stream (I wish they had offered a package for stream/CD/vinyl back then).

I dunno. Maybe they'll release more frequently than the one-a-year that Ytsejam was doing. I don't foresee that, but it could happen. I'm VERY excited for the FUTURE releases, and I'll definitely get this one. I just wish there was more off the bat than just 8 songs/live versions I've already heard.

Just so you know, itís wonít be released until June 25. I think you can preorder starting Friday.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: TAC on May 12, 2021, 06:37:15 PM
The more I think about this release, the less excited I am about it.


itís wonít be released until June 25.


I don't feel I'm being impatient when I say... Let's F'n Go!
I wished they'd accompany the announcement WITH the release. And how long until the next release?
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 12, 2021, 07:27:09 PM
And how long until the next release?
:soon:
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: TAC on May 12, 2021, 07:41:15 PM
Exactly. I'm sure there won't be another one before the new album is released, so we're likely waiting until the next tour cycle is over. If this becomes one half concert every two years, why bother?
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on May 12, 2021, 07:43:43 PM
The more I think about this release, the less excited I am about it.


itís wonít be released until June 25.

I don't feel I'm being impatient when I say... Let's F'n Go!
I wished they'd accompany the announcement WITH the release. And how long until the next release?

Right?? Like, they ANNOUNCED. a PREORDER.WEEKS in advance. lol. Just announce it on June 25th and let me order it right away!

I'm being nit-picky, because this is the kind of stuff I've been hoping they release since they stopped 10 years ago. I just want them to drop the info and the release all at once
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: TAC on May 12, 2021, 07:47:36 PM
The thing is, there's nothing about this release that has me excited. I'm not getting it, so...in maybe two years I'll have a crack at the next one.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: NoFred on May 12, 2021, 08:37:49 PM
Yeah I think the way to make this work was to release 6-10 things up front... weíd all get the ~2 we want right away, then over time will get the rest at whatever impulse/dosage we need.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Stadler on May 13, 2021, 06:29:30 AM
What's the deal with the preorders lately?   I get it from a pure economic standpoint - anytime you can get money IN the door before the cost/product goes OUT the door, it's good.   But that (originally) happened when there wasn't enough capital to cover the costs of the product (think Marillion's campaigns).  Then it got to be that for the bigger, more risky releases.   Now, it seems EVERYTHING is conducted under a pre-order, and while I used to be "NO DICE" on preorders, even the Marillion stuff, now it seems like you have to be.   

Are they planning/forecasting production runs and whatnot off of this?   It seems that there are several releases - the UFO Strangers set, the new Transatlantic - that seem to have limited/no product available after the initial preorder run.   Anyone know more about the logistics of this new formula?
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: bosk1 on May 13, 2021, 08:58:45 AM


I just think itís weird that they donít have a live dvd of this album.
It's definitely weird that they didn't film a show when they were on that tour.

I think the reason (excuse) they gave at the time was that live DVD/Blu-ray albums weren't selling as well and they didn't want to do it because of that, but I think it had more to do with TA not being that well received by a significant portion of the fanbase. They also apparently changed their plans mid tour and instead of touring Asia/Australia, etc. for TA, they did the IAW anniversary tour instead, which scrapped all the chances they had to record one of those later shows.



Bosk has addressed this before, but my recollection was that there was a specific show(s) planned for recording, but that fell through and they weren't able to reschedule.

Yeah, it was a combination of factors.  There was the second leg of the tour being mangled by those who booked it wrong.  That in turn caused the interest to drop off, and the band to slightly modify the set.  Then the 25th Anniversary tour fell into place, and they were bumping up against that.  They were going to do a one-off date to film, but that date ended up not coming to fruition, so...you know the rest.  No filming. 
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: HOF on May 13, 2021, 09:07:30 AM
What's the deal with the preorders lately?   I get it from a pure economic standpoint - anytime you can get money IN the door before the cost/product goes OUT the door, it's good.   But that (originally) happened when there wasn't enough capital to cover the costs of the product (think Marillion's campaigns).  Then it got to be that for the bigger, more risky releases.   Now, it seems EVERYTHING is conducted under a pre-order, and while I used to be "NO DICE" on preorders, even the Marillion stuff, now it seems like you have to be.   

Are they planning/forecasting production runs and whatnot off of this?   It seems that there are several releases - the UFO Strangers set, the new Transatlantic - that seem to have limited/no product available after the initial preorder run.   Anyone know more about the logistics of this new formula?

Hasnít pretty much every release (across the industry) been available for pre-order for the past 15 years or so? I donít get the sense this is like the Marillion campaigns where you pay for some premium content before the album is even finished to fund the recording and marketing. I think they just want to be able to gauge demand based off pre-order volume before they print their first run.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Skeever on May 13, 2021, 09:08:57 AM
What's the deal with the preorders lately?   I get it from a pure economic standpoint - anytime you can get money IN the door before the cost/product goes OUT the door, it's good.   But that (originally) happened when there wasn't enough capital to cover the costs of the product (think Marillion's campaigns).  Then it got to be that for the bigger, more risky releases.   Now, it seems EVERYTHING is conducted under a pre-order, and while I used to be "NO DICE" on preorders, even the Marillion stuff, now it seems like you have to be.   

Are they planning/forecasting production runs and whatnot off of this?   It seems that there are several releases - the UFO Strangers set, the new Transatlantic - that seem to have limited/no product available after the initial preorder run.   Anyone know more about the logistics of this new formula?

Pretty much. I got bit by this a few times too. They just don't press the sheer number of CDs/DVDs/BluRays, they used to, I guess.

When Breaking the Fourth Wall came up, I decided not to get it right away because I was living in a small apartment and did not really have the means to enjoy it.  Years later, a few months ago, I used my stimulus to buy a home theater system. I thought I would commemorate it with a few concert blurays I had missed out on over the years. I checked amazon, and not only was there was no stock of Breaking the Fourth Wall, but the used market was also pretty ridiculous (like maybe $80 per disc, if I remember correctly). I just checked now and it's down to a slightly more reasonable $50. But still, I've learned my lesson. If you want physical media, better get right in line when it's released. There's no telling how copies are pressed these days, but I imagine it's a fraction of what it was even a decade ago. And if you wait you risk fighting with other collectors on the aftermarket and will pay a pretty penny if you want something badly enough.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: bosk1 on May 13, 2021, 09:34:35 AM
Skeever, check your PM
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Stadler on May 13, 2021, 09:41:40 AM
What's the deal with the preorders lately?   I get it from a pure economic standpoint - anytime you can get money IN the door before the cost/product goes OUT the door, it's good.   But that (originally) happened when there wasn't enough capital to cover the costs of the product (think Marillion's campaigns).  Then it got to be that for the bigger, more risky releases.   Now, it seems EVERYTHING is conducted under a pre-order, and while I used to be "NO DICE" on preorders, even the Marillion stuff, now it seems like you have to be.   

Are they planning/forecasting production runs and whatnot off of this?   It seems that there are several releases - the UFO Strangers set, the new Transatlantic - that seem to have limited/no product available after the initial preorder run.   Anyone know more about the logistics of this new formula?

Pretty much. I got bit by this a few times too. They just don't press the sheer number of CDs/DVDs/BluRays, they used to, I guess.

When Breaking the Fourth Wall came up, I decided not to get it right away because I was living in a small apartment and did not really have the means to enjoy it.  Years later, a few months ago, I used my stimulus to buy a home theater system. I thought I would commemorate it with a few concert blurays I had missed out on over the years. I checked amazon, and not only was there was no stock of Breaking the Fourth Wall, but the used market was also pretty ridiculous (like maybe $80 per disc, if I remember correctly). I just checked now and it's down to a slightly more reasonable $50. But still, I've learned my lesson. If you want physical media, better get right in line when it's released. There's no telling how copies are pressed these days, but I imagine it's a fraction of what it was even a decade ago. And if you wait you risk fighting with other collectors on the aftermarket and will pay a pretty penny if you want something badly enough.

That's funny, because that is the same CD/DVD set on which I learned my lesson, too.   :) :)

Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 13, 2021, 12:04:42 PM
What's the deal with the preorders lately?   I get it from a pure economic standpoint - anytime you can get money IN the door before the cost/product goes OUT the door, it's good.   But that (originally) happened when there wasn't enough capital to cover the costs of the product (think Marillion's campaigns).  Then it got to be that for the bigger, more risky releases.   Now, it seems EVERYTHING is conducted under a pre-order, and while I used to be "NO DICE" on preorders, even the Marillion stuff, now it seems like you have to be.   

Are they planning/forecasting production runs and whatnot off of this?   It seems that there are several releases - the UFO Strangers set, the new Transatlantic - that seem to have limited/no product available after the initial preorder run.   Anyone know more about the logistics of this new formula?

Hasnít pretty much every release (across the industry) been available for pre-order for the past 15 years or so? I donít get the sense this is like the Marillion campaigns where you pay for some premium content before the album is even finished to fund the recording and marketing. I think they just want to be able to gauge demand based off pre-order volume before they print their first run.
Yes.  And it's not just CD/music.  Books are this way too.  For example, I usually preorder new Stephen King books, so they just show up at my house a day or two before release day.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: geeeemo on May 13, 2021, 12:51:16 PM
What's the deal with the preorders lately?   I get it from a pure economic standpoint - anytime you can get money IN the door before the cost/product goes OUT the door, it's good.   But that (originally) happened when there wasn't enough capital to cover the costs of the product (think Marillion's campaigns).  Then it got to be that for the bigger, more risky releases.   Now, it seems EVERYTHING is conducted under a pre-order, and while I used to be "NO DICE" on preorders, even the Marillion stuff, now it seems like you have to be.   

Are they planning/forecasting production runs and whatnot off of this?   It seems that there are several releases - the UFO Strangers set, the new Transatlantic - that seem to have limited/no product available after the initial preorder run.   Anyone know more about the logistics of this new formula?


Pretty much. I got bit by this a few times too. They just don't press the sheer number of CDs/DVDs/BluRays, they used to, I guess.

When Breaking the Fourth Wall came up, I decided not to get it right away because I was living in a small apartment and did not really have the means to enjoy it.  Years later, a few months ago, I used my stimulus to buy a home theater system. I thought I would commemorate it with a few concert blurays I had missed out on over the years. I checked amazon, and not only was there was no stock of Breaking the Fourth Wall, but the used market was also pretty ridiculous (like maybe $80 per disc, if I remember correctly). I just checked now and it's down to a slightly more reasonable $50. But still, I've learned my lesson. If you want physical media, better get right in line when it's released. There's no telling how copies are pressed these days, but I imagine it's a fraction of what it was even a decade ago. And if you wait you risk fighting with other collectors on the aftermarket and will pay a pretty penny if you want something badly enough.

That's funny, because that is the same CD/DVD set on which I learned my lesson, too.   :) :)

Yep, I am a newish fan, and an trying to get more and more. I was bummed about the BtFW.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: sylentman on May 13, 2021, 08:05:20 PM
BT4W 3cds version and Train of Thought Vinyl have proven impossible for me :(.
Train of Thought Vinyl at least shows up on ebay sometimes (pretty expensive by the way), and as only started collecting the Vinyl recently i can understand and wait for a reissue or similar.
But, the CD version of BT4W I never even saw it on Amazon for pre-order back when it was released...so always had that missing piece which feel did not have the chance to get, and have been looking for with no luck.
Now with this discussion here, wonder why that one is never available, as see other older ones like Luna Park sold in many places...
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: gzarruk on May 13, 2021, 08:16:17 PM
LALP was released under Eagle Rock, not RR, so that might have something to do with it.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: zappafrank2112 on May 14, 2021, 12:19:28 AM
Has anyone considered the possibility that there hasn't been any serious push to cobble something together for a live rendition of The Astonishing b/c there's simply neither demand nor interest for it?

Argue all you want, but the people who champion the album are in reality the vocal minority.  DT couldn't even do a full tour on it before having to drop some of the album's songs and inserting more standard stuff.

In the end, for all intents and purpose, people just didn't like the album.  No amount of acting incredulous and being in disbelief at the lack of a live capture of it isn't going to change this fact.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Max Kuehnau on May 14, 2021, 05:23:38 AM
Ending derailment, this is PMU at Budokan in 2017 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLeRLHzC1rc) My second favourite version to date, along with Luna Park.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Enigmachine on May 14, 2021, 05:46:34 AM
Has anyone considered the possibility that there hasn't been any serious push to cobble something together for a live rendition of The Astonishing b/c there's simply neither demand nor interest for it?

Argue all you want, but the people who champion the album are in reality the vocal minority.  DT couldn't even do a full tour on it before having to drop some of the album's songs and inserting more standard stuff.

In the end, for all intents and purpose, people just didn't like the album.  No amount of acting incredulous and being in disbelief at the lack of a live capture of it isn't going to change this fact.

As much as I like the album, this is a fair point. At some stage, the need for the band to not lose relevance probably outstrips their possible wishes to document an amitious, yet highly polarising album in this manner. It pretty much is to DT what Nostradamus was to Judas Priest (which I also liked). A passion project with a lot of time and energy put into it, but not exactly well recieved.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Stadler on May 14, 2021, 07:48:31 AM
Look, I'm not a huge fan of TA, and I'm not one of those clamoring for a live release, but fair is fair:  this is sort of exactly what the "archive" releases are/were for.   I don't think an entire album of Master Of Puppets or Number Of The Beast was what the bulk of the fanbase was clamouring for either, but they WERE on Ytsejam.   Small run, limited releases of those things that perhaps only a "fan" would really dig into.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on May 14, 2021, 07:51:42 AM
So the pre-order links are up on Facebook. SUPER confusing, of course.

They're only selling one version on their website and it's a signed, clear vinyl version for $250. Super steep for vinyl, even signed. They gonna come to my house and sign it in front of me?

You otherwise have to order it from outside sources. I guess it's available on Amazon, but there's no link for it. The only link they gave goes to Revolver, which says it's coming out in September. Another link they gave (Rough Trade) doesn't even have the release available (the link goes to an out-of-stock Pull Me Under single). I don't even know..

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The first release in the 'Lost Not Forgotten Archivesí series, ĎImages and Words - Live in Japan, 2017í, is available for pre-order today, May 14th, and releasing June 25th. This initial entry into our reimagined collectors series is a live recording of our 2017 performance featuring the classic album, ĎImages and Wordsí, performed in full at Japanís legendary Budokan arena.  Released on CD as well as vinyl and digital for the first time, you can purchase and stream through your favorite music service. The exclusive autographed, ultra-clear vinyl version is limited to just 250 copies, and available only through https://lostnotforgottenarchives.dreamtheater.net/

Listen to ĎPull Me Under (Live at Budokan, Tokyo, Japan, 2017)í and pre-order all formats here: https://dream-theater.lnk.to/LostNotForgottenArchives-ImagesAndWords-LiveInJapan2017
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Post by: goo-goo on May 14, 2021, 08:01:03 AM
www.lasercd.com has links up. CD, Black vinyl, and Coke bottle vinyl.
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Post by: Trav86 on May 14, 2021, 08:40:00 AM
Has anyone considered the possibility that there hasn't been any serious push to cobble something together for a live rendition of The Astonishing b/c there's simply neither demand nor interest for it?

Argue all you want, but the people who champion the album are in reality the vocal minority.  DT couldn't even do a full tour on it before having to drop some of the album's songs and inserting more standard stuff.

In the end, for all intents and purpose, people just didn't like the album.  No amount of acting incredulous and being in disbelief at the lack of a live capture of it isn't going to change this fact.

Yeah, I assumed this would be common knowledge.  But, it doesnít seem to be the case. Outside of this forum, TA is usually considered their worst album.

If you listen to the podcast Talk Is Jericho, that has JP and JLB on it. Chris Jericho is asking a question about TA and canít remember the name. He says something like ďI always want to call it The ReckoningĒ. To which JLB replies ďit was our reckoningĒ. Jokingly, butÖthey know itís not that popular.
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Post by: ZirconBlue on May 14, 2021, 08:52:27 AM




www.lasercd.com (http://www.lasercd.com) has links up. CD, Black vinyl, and Coke bottle vinyl.



Amazon has it up, as well, but the prices are higher than lasercd (although shipping costs may negate the difference).


Amazon link: https://smile.amazon.com/Lost-Not-Forgotten-Archives-Images/dp/B093B6J6Y2/ref=tmm_acd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1621003806&sr=8-1 (https://smile.amazon.com/Lost-Not-Forgotten-Archives-Images/dp/B093B6J6Y2/ref=tmm_acd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1621003806&sr=8-1)
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Post by: bosk1 on May 14, 2021, 09:15:41 AM
Has anyone considered the possibility that there hasn't been any serious push to cobble something together for a live rendition of The Astonishing b/c there's simply neither demand nor interest for it?

Argue all you want, but the people who champion the album are in reality the vocal minority.  DT couldn't even do a full tour on it before having to drop some of the album's songs and inserting more standard stuff.

In the end, for all intents and purpose, people just didn't like the album.  No amount of acting incredulous and being in disbelief at the lack of a live capture of it isn't going to change this fact.

Eh, there is some truth to that, but it is only part of the picture.  Interest in the album was lower than the band expected.  That is true.  And it is what it is.  But the album was not panned by the fanbase as a whole.  Album sales numbers and concert tickets on the first leg of the tour support that.  It didn't do great.  But it did okay.  Acting like most of the fanbase hated it just isn't accurate.  But, yes, less people liked it than the band had expected.  That is true.  And that was a factor.  As I have shared here, JP told me one of the factors in not recording it was that he didn't think there was a big enough demand to justify it. 

But the bolded part above is not really accurate because it misplaces the causation.  They didn't change the set because people didn't like the album.  They changed the set because the second leg of the tour was booked incorrectly.  The second U.S. leg was supposed to only hit cities and regions they had not yet visited on the tour, and they were planning on playing the entire thing as they previously had.  Somebody (and I'm not naming names) dropped the ball and booked them in many of the same places they had already been.  When you take into account that interest was already lower for this album, and that the show was identical from night to night, it is no wonder that there was a pretty steep dropoff in ticket sales when they came back to places where they had already presented "The Astonishing live."  The change in the set was a reaction to that.  I.e., they could see that demand to see the show in the same place for a second time dropped off, so they were attempting to somewhat address that.  So it isn't really that they couldn't do a "full tour" no the strength of The Astonishing.  It's more that they couldn't do a second leg of the tour in the same places they had already hit.  That's an important distinction.
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Post by: countoftuscany42 on May 14, 2021, 09:28:07 AM
The links all seem to be working now, which variants did everyone order? I liked the color of the century media and revolver exclusives, but the street date for revolverís isnít until September (different manufacturing schedule?) and both of these variants are $10-15 more than whatís on lasercd, so I went with the coke bottle green they have.  Guess itís a good thing the Live Scenes LP set didnít get made right now for the sake of my wallet  :lol
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Post by: Trav86 on May 14, 2021, 09:41:04 AM
Bosk, I guess I misunderstood something. I was under the impression that the Images and Words Anniversary tour was done because of a mistake in booking. Not the second leg of the North American TA tour.  I thought that is why the I&W tour came so quickly after the previous one.
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Post by: IgnotusPerIgnotium on May 14, 2021, 10:00:37 AM
Album sales numbers and concert tickets on the first leg of the tour support that.
Just out of curiosity is there a reliable source that we can check on these numbers and I'd be interested not only for DT but for other bands as well.
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Post by: bosk1 on May 14, 2021, 10:43:40 AM
Bosk, I guess I misunderstood something. I was under the impression that the Images and Words Anniversary tour was done because of a mistake in booking. Not the second leg of the North American TA tour.  I thought that is why the I&W tour came so quickly after the previous one.

The second leg got booked while they were still out on tour.  By the time they saw that many of the dates were in metropolitan areas they had already played on the first leg, it was too late to do anything about that.  They couldn't really NOT do The Astonishing at that point because that is what they were touring under, what the tour was all set up for, etc.  But they felt the need to change things up a little bit, so they came up with the three-song "hits" encore to try to get the best of both worlds, and still present "The Astonishing" since that is how the tour was booked, with something extra to try to get fans to come back a second time.  I forget the exact timing, but if I am remembering correctly, it was a few dates into the second leg when they made the change.  So to be clear:  They modified the set on the second U.S. leg because the second leg had been misbooked and had them playing a lot of places they had already played The Astonishing.

Regarding the I&W25 tour, I can't say that anything on the TA tour wasn't a factor.  But it wasn't the primary factor.  The primary reason for doing it was that they realized that the 25th anniversary of I&W was coming up, and they really wanted to celebrate it, since it was their biggest album and the album that broke them.  Remember that, although I would definitely NOT call them a "nostalgia" band since they continue to put out new material and to heavily support it on tour, they also have a long history of celebrating album anniversaries for landmark albums.  I think the decision to have the entire show focus on "fan favorites" throughout their set was likely a reaction to the TA tour.  But the decision to do it in the first place was largely independent.
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Post by: bosk1 on May 14, 2021, 10:44:02 AM
Album sales numbers and concert tickets on the first leg of the tour support that.
Just out of curiosity is there a reliable source that we can check on these numbers and I'd be interested not only for DT but for other bands as well.

No idea.  My info comes from the band and management.
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Post by: gzarruk on May 14, 2021, 10:52:11 AM
Bosk, I guess I misunderstood something. I was under the impression that the Images and Words Anniversary tour was done because of a mistake in booking. Not the second leg of the North American TA tour.  I thought that is why the I&W tour came so quickly after the previous one.

The second leg got booked while they were still out on tour.  By the time they saw that many of the dates were in metropolitan areas they had already played on the first leg, it was too late to do anything about that.  They couldn't really NOT do The Astonishing at that point because that is what they were touring under, what the tour was all set up for, etc.  But they felt the need to change things up a little bit, so they came up with the three-song "hits" encore to try to get the best of both worlds, and still present "The Astonishing" since that is how the tour was booked, with something extra to try to get fans to come back a second time.  I forget the exact timing, but if I am remembering correctly, it was a few dates into the second leg when they made the change.  So to be clear:  They modified the set on the second U.S. leg because the second leg had been misbooked and had them playing a lot of places they had already played The Astonishing.

Regarding the I&W25 tour, I can't say that anything on the TA tour wasn't a factor.  But it wasn't the primary factor.  The primary reason for doing it was that they realized that the 25th anniversary of I&W was coming up, and they really wanted to celebrate it, since it was their biggest album and the album that broke them.  Remember that, although I would definitely NOT call them a "nostalgia" band since they continue to put out new material and to heavily support it on tour, they also have a long history of celebrating album anniversaries for landmark albums.  I think the decision to have the entire show focus on "fan favorites" throughout their set was likely a reaction to the TA tour.  But the decision to do it in the first place was largely independent.

IIRC, JP said they were only planning to do a small run of dates for the IWAB tour, but promoters went crazy (in a good way) about it and wanted THAT show, so it ended up being a year-long tour.
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Post by: bosk1 on May 14, 2021, 10:57:02 AM
Yeah, I think that's right.

I know I've mentioned this before, but JP showed me the set list backstage after the Reno show on the TA second leg, and he was SO excited about it. 
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Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 14, 2021, 11:52:17 AM
Ending derailment, this is PMU at Budokan in 2017 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLeRLHzC1rc) My second favourite version to date, along with Luna Park.
Interesting. Not a big fan of the down tuning. And to be quite honest, PMU live never sounds quite as good as the studio version - especially the beginning of it. But if I was to select my favorite live version, it would probably be the warped version they did on World Tourbulence.
 
 
I forget the exact timing, but if I am remembering correctly, it was a few dates into the second leg when they made the change.  So to be clear:  They modified the set on the second U.S. leg because the second leg had been misbooked and had them playing a lot of places they had already played The Astonishing.
Actually, they only made the change for the last 16 shows of that leg - the first 18 were the full album like the rest of the tour.
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Post by: gzarruk on May 14, 2021, 12:20:08 PM
Ending derailment, this is PMU at Budokan in 2017 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLeRLHzC1rc) My second favourite version to date, along with Luna Park.
Interesting. Not a big fan of the down tuning. And to be quite honest, PMU live never sounds quite as good as the studio version - especially the beginning of it. But if I was to select my favorite live version, it would probably be the warped version they did on World Tourbulence.

Never heard about that! Got any links where I could check that one out?
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Post by: Max Kuehnau on May 14, 2021, 12:28:17 PM
Ending derailment, this is PMU at Budokan in 2017 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLeRLHzC1rc) My second favourite version to date, along with Luna Park.
Interesting. Not a big fan of the down tuning. And to be quite honest, PMU live never sounds quite as good as the studio version - especially the beginning of it. But if I was to select my favorite live version, it would probably be the warped version they did on World Tourbulence.

Never heard about that! Got any links where I could check that one out?
Scotty will gladly correct me if I'm wrong, but IIRC, it's on Live At Budokan too (in 2004 in that case of course). And yes, when I attended the 6D tour in 2002, anytime they played it on that tour, it was said warped version.
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Post by: sfam2112 on May 14, 2021, 12:37:21 PM
Ending derailment, this is PMU at Budokan in 2017 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLeRLHzC1rc) My second favourite version to date, along with Luna Park.
Interesting. Not a big fan of the down tuning. And to be quite honest, PMU live never sounds quite as good as the studio version - especially the beginning of it. But if I was to select my favorite live version, it would probably be the warped version they did on World Tourbulence.

Never heard about that! Got any links where I could check that one out?
Scotty will gladly correct me if I'm wrong, but IIRC, it's on Live At Budokan too (in 2004 in that case of course). And yes, when I attended the 6D tour in 2002, anytime they played it on that tour, it was said warped version.

The warped version is not on L@B '04. It is featured on the Bucharest 2002 official bootleg.
It wasn't warped every time for World Tourbulence. The version on the Beacon Theater bootleg is mostly normal except for when they double time that one section before "Watch the sparrow falling...". It's that way on L@B '04, as well.
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Post by: Max Kuehnau on May 14, 2021, 12:40:37 PM
Ah yes, you're right, it was on Bucharest. (I've watched both, confused them apparently)
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Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 14, 2021, 02:06:56 PM
The warped version is not on L@B '04. It is featured on the Bucharest 2002 official bootleg.
It wasn't warped every time for World Tourbulence.
Correct.  :tup
 
 
The version on the Beacon Theater bootleg is mostly normal except for when they double time that one section before "Watch the sparrow falling...". It's that way on L@B '04, as well.
Actually, it's both sped up and slowed down, hence why it is referred to as "warped". You're right about the sped up part in the middle, but don't forget that at the end, they slow down to a crawl. 
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Post by: Max Kuehnau on May 14, 2021, 02:30:29 PM
The warped version is not on L@B '04. It is featured on the Bucharest 2002 official bootleg.
It wasn't warped every time for World Tourbulence.
Correct.  :tup
 
 
The version on the Beacon Theater bootleg is mostly normal except for when they double time that one section before "Watch the sparrow falling...". It's that way on L@B '04, as well.
Actually, it's both sped up and slowed down, hence why it is referred to as "warped". You're right about the sped up part in the middle, but don't forget that at the end, they slow down to a crawl.
and I remember that bit very well still to this day. (and I only said that they played the warped version during the four shows I attended. I thought: oh well, what happens now, this is weird. Unusual twist of the arrangement there IMHO. I'd love to know whose idea that was seriously. MP's I guess.)
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Post by: Kyo on May 14, 2021, 02:32:53 PM
Purely logistically speaking, they could alternatingly perform disc 1 and disc 2 of The Astonishing at shows in areas that they didn't get to visit on the TA tour at the time. That way the set wouldn't be entirely dominated by the album and people would get to see both newer and classic stuff alongside the TA material. Then they could film a two-night performance at some bigger city on that tour and just cobble together the full album from these shows for a Blu-ray after all.

But yes, while I do enjoy a lot about that album, let's not kid ourselves - it is quite unpopular and often gets ridiculed, even within the more hardcore fanbase. I'd say even more so by the more casual fans, especially from the metal side. Announcing that their upcoming shows would feature a lot of TA material in sequence would almost certainly be box office poison at this point. So I really don't see this happening.
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Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 14, 2021, 02:40:15 PM
The warped version is not on L@B '04. It is featured on the Bucharest 2002 official bootleg.
It wasn't warped every time for World Tourbulence.
Correct.  :tup
 
 
The version on the Beacon Theater bootleg is mostly normal except for when they double time that one section before "Watch the sparrow falling...". It's that way on L@B '04, as well.
Actually, it's both sped up and slowed down, hence why it is referred to as "warped". You're right about the sped up part in the middle, but don't forget that at the end, they slow down to a crawl.
and I remember that bit very well still to this day. (and I only said that they played the warped version during the four shows I attended. I thought: oh well, what happens now, this is weird. Unusual twist of the arrangement there IMHO. I'd love to know whose idea that was seriously. MP's I guess.)
Pretty sure that it was. I was actually at the Chicago show that was the precursor to it, where they just sped up the middle part, and I'm pretty sure it was just something spontaneous that MP did at that moment. And then at later shows, he decided to also slow it down the outro and the warped version was born! I'm guessing altho I'm not sure, that he never would tell the guys when it was gonna happen. In fact, he might not even know until they would get up to that middle section and he would just decide to do it.

What's interesting is that there is one time when he sped up and slowed down the song multiple times - I heard it on a bootleg, but I can't remember which show it was (maybe later on that leg of the tour, or maybe the Asian leg or summer European run). Even more entertaining, altho I'm gonna guess that the other guys might not have been thrilled with the idea, or maybe he thought it was too much, because that's the only time (AFAIK) that it ever happened.
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Post by: Max Kuehnau on May 14, 2021, 03:07:09 PM
Well, my memory of the change in the arrangement (which I described) first happened during the second of the four shows of the 2002 tour I attended, and that was in June of 2002, so they played during the European summer leg. (and afterwards too, since I attended two shows in October and November of 2002 as well)
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Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 14, 2021, 05:23:30 PM
I realize that - I saw them do the warped version at the San Diego show they did with Satch and King's X in August. I did an interview with MP at that show, and put in the request for the warped version, which he granted!   :biggrin:

But my point is that the extra warped version I heard on a bootleg was later during that first North American leg (so sometime in March), in Asia (in April) *or* the summer run through Europe - almost 100% positive it wasn't during the NA tour with Satch, nor the last European leg of the tour. I just can't remember which show off the top of my head.  ;)
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Post by: nobloodyname on May 14, 2021, 11:19:45 PM
But yes, while I do enjoy a lot about that album, let's not kid ourselves - it is quite unpopular and often gets ridiculed, even within the more hardcore fanbase. I'd say even more so by the more casual fans, especially from the metal side. Announcing that their upcoming shows would feature a lot of TA material in sequence would almost certainly be box office poison at this point. So I really don't see this happening.

Agreed. Wasn't the original tour announced before the album was released? I bought us very expensive tickets (they all were) to the opening two nights at The London Palladium. Compared to the 20ish shows I'd seen prior to that, it received only a lukewarm reception from the audience. People were bored. You could see it. You could feel it. Worse, you could hear it. And so could the band, absolutely no doubt. The second night was better - JP took a little more ownership of the stage - but was still very middling. Every single person I spoke to from the old Voices UK fanclub after that first night agreed they badly needed to add in an additional song as an encore. It says everything that we'd even have enjoyed a rendition of Pull Me Under :biggrin:

Speaking of VoicesUK, I literally knew (Covid very sadly got him) only one person out of all those long-time DT fans - maybe two at a real push - who really enjoyed The Astonishing. My sense - and I have no literal proof of this, of course - is that the majority of the 'normal' fanbase would rank it in the bottom two or three of DT albums.

All that said, I too wish one of the shows had been filmed.

Regarding the first LNF release, I won't be buying it. Do we really need another version of Images & Words? The original YtseJam releases were full of interesting material for the most part (although a couple of them, mostly due to the vocals, should never have seen the light of day - is it the LA show I'm thinking of? It's almost unlistenable vocally).
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Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on May 15, 2021, 08:20:42 AM
I saw the warped version of Pull Me Under at the Worcester show in 2004. I loved it.
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on May 15, 2021, 11:04:03 AM
But yes, while I do enjoy a lot about that album, let's not kid ourselves - it is quite unpopular and often gets ridiculed, even within the more hardcore fanbase. I'd say even more so by the more casual fans, especially from the metal side. Announcing that their upcoming shows would feature a lot of TA material in sequence would almost certainly be box office poison at this point. So I really don't see this happening.

Agreed. Wasn't the original tour announced before the album was released? I bought us very expensive tickets (they all were) to the opening two nights at The London Palladium. Compared to the 20ish shows I'd seen prior to that, it received only a lukewarm reception from the audience. People were bored. You could see it. You could feel it. Worse, you could hear it. And so could the band, absolutely no doubt.

I take no pleasure in saying this, but my friend and I left at intermission. It didn't help that these were the worst seats we had ever gotten at a DT show so we were 20 rows back or whatever and sitting. The people in front of us loved it and were singing along to everything but were also just sitting there and nodding their heads. I only liked a few songs from the album so the rest of the time my friend and I just kept sharing glances like, "This is weird." Sadly, we encountered several people that did the exact same thing we did.

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All that said, I too wish one of the shows had been filmed.

Same here. I would buy it in a heartbeat but I do that with all DT releases. I want to experience it again and honestly, there is a slim chance I'll change my opinion later in life about this album. It happens from time to time. I'd honestly be happy if it did.

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Post by: zappafrank2112 on May 15, 2021, 12:13:50 PM

I take no pleasure in saying this, but my friend and I left at intermission.

I legit started nodding off at one point.
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Post by: cfmoran13 on May 15, 2021, 12:17:46 PM
But yes, while I do enjoy a lot about that album, let's not kid ourselves - it is quite unpopular and often gets ridiculed, even within the more hardcore fanbase. I'd say even more so by the more casual fans, especially from the metal side. Announcing that their upcoming shows would feature a lot of TA material in sequence would almost certainly be box office poison at this point. So I really don't see this happening.

Hypothetically, if that were to happen, I would most definitely be staying home.  I hate to say it but the show I went to on their tour for TA was the worst concert to which I'd ever been.  Every second of that show seemed like an eternity. 


I take no pleasure in saying this, but my friend and I left at intermission.

I legit started nodding off at one point.

I wasn't tempted to leave early.  But, I couldn't wait for it to end.  I nodded off once or twice, too.

As for the first release from their LNF Archives, I'll probably get it.  I managed to get all but one of the original Ytsejam Records releases back in the day.  I'll give the first new one a shot.

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Post by: geeeemo on May 15, 2021, 03:05:55 PM
I went to my first DT concert a few months after my discovery of them in Feb 2016. I had bought TA, and liked just a few songs. I was more into finding the "metal" sounding DT music. I hadn't been to a concert in over 15 years, so I decided to go see them. The concert blew me away so much that I came home and told my hubby and son, "if they do another leg, we are going." And I did 2 more times. After that first show, I fervently dug into their discography and fell in love with all their music, and funny enough, my favorites aren't necessarily the most metal of their songs. I also learned TA lyrics and storyline and played the whole album many times over that summer. Then I bought Scenes, and listened to that for about a year!
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Post by: nobloodyname on May 16, 2021, 02:24:30 AM
I went to my first DT concert a few months after my discovery of them in Feb 2016. I had bought TA, and liked just a few songs. I was more into finding the "metal" sounding DT music. I hadn't been to a concert in over 15 years, so I decided to go see them. The concert blew me away so much that I came home and told my hubby and son, "if they do another leg, we are going." And I did 2 more times. After that first show, I fervently dug into their discography and fell in love with all their music, and funny enough, my favorites aren't necessarily the most metal of their songs. I also learned TA lyrics and storyline and played the whole album many times over that summer. Then I bought Scenes, and listened to that for about a year!

I love this! Always great to hear tales of introduction :biggrin:

Wonder how I'd have felt about The Astonishing and the live performance if I'd only just got into DT? Might be a moot point though because I'm not sure I'd have bothered with their back catalogue if The Astonishing had been my first taste.
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Post by: geeeemo on May 16, 2021, 08:16:44 AM
For me, I was already delving into the catalog, before I heard TA. I was on spotify and knew PMU - that's why I looked them up, wondering "do they have any other music?" LOL. So I was bouncing around, Greatest Hit helped, and then realized, "wow! They just came out with a new album!". When I went to the show I was hot for the songs RoAE, Nightmare, Home, OtBoA.
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Post by: Dedalus on May 16, 2021, 11:34:44 AM
I completely remember the sensations when I first listened to TA. I enjoyed the first audition, but at the same time two things kept coming back to me. The first was that the guys had a lot of courage to make that record and the second was the certainty that I had how much of the fans would hate the album and would gloat over it.

The atmosphere in the community of local DT fans that I had been actively participating in for almost 15 years was already bad since MP left the band. Listening to TA I thought it was going to get considerably worse. In the end I got it right. The community became the perfect place to bring the angry (very, very angry) people of the band together and became a place of hatred. I think at least 3/4 of the participants were completely irritated with the band. It was an irreparable damage and I had to get out of there.  :facepalm:

And that's why in the next cycle (DoT) I ended up here.  :)
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Post by: TAC on May 16, 2021, 03:07:20 PM
Glad to have you here, bro!
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Post by: Dedalus on May 16, 2021, 06:30:13 PM
Glad to have you here, bro!

 :tup  :)
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Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 16, 2021, 07:47:48 PM
And that's why in the next cycle (DoT) I ended up here.  :)
Why did you wait until then to make the switch? I would think you would've bailed in the middle of the TA tour.
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Post by: Dedalus on May 16, 2021, 08:23:07 PM
And that's why in the next cycle (DoT) I ended up here.  :)
Why did you wait until then to make the switch? I would think you would've bailed in the middle of the TA tour.

Oh, actually, I really gave up on my old community in the middle of the TA tour, but after that I stayed away from the DT universe for a while. It also helped that during that time I finished writing my thesis and started a new job, so I was very busy.

When the first rumors of a new album surfaced, I thought it was a good time to return to the DT universe. Then I remembered the DTF that I already knew but had never actively participated in.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: bosk1 on May 18, 2021, 09:48:50 AM
The only think I didn't like about the TA tour was the fact that it was all seated.  The Reno show being the odd venue where they had a pit up against the stage helped make that show pretty awesome.
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Post by: geeeemo on May 18, 2021, 10:06:48 AM
The only think I didn't like about the TA tour was the fact that it was all seated.  The Reno show being the odd venue where they had a pit up against the stage helped make that show pretty awesome.

Thats the show where JP winked at me  :o.  I was standing there thinking nahh.. but then my hubby turns and says "he just winked at you!". I am sure it was nothing, but for a girl at a rock concert?!  lol!
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Post by: the keyboard wizard on May 28, 2021, 05:09:39 AM
That's interesting : https://shop.revolvermag.com/products/dream-theater-the-lost-not-forgotten-archives-a-dramatic-tour-of-events-select-board-mixes-limited-edition-apple-red-3lp-2cd?fbclid=IwAR1Hmajmdz60jjWohf6mhud90FCk8lLm0No1rhOh5VGw9Rp3dvOabEYWZRA
https://www.amazon.fr/Lost-Not-Forgotten-Archives-Dramatic/dp/B095CMS7D8/ref=sr_1_2?__mk_fr_FR=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=lost+not+forgotten&qid=1622200130&sr=8-2
That would be a physical version of the Happy Holidays bootleg.
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Post by: Stadler on May 28, 2021, 06:29:55 AM
Anyone want to split that?  I want the CDs, I have no use for the vinyl...
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: the keyboard wizard on May 28, 2021, 07:10:10 AM
Don't worry I'm 100% sure a 2CD version will be available.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on May 28, 2021, 07:48:53 AM
Cool? I guess?

Maybe #3 will be something we haven't heard before....
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Zydar on May 28, 2021, 07:51:02 AM
A live version of The Count of Tuscany? Nice.

https://fb.watch/5MHLduICFb/ (https://fb.watch/5MHLduICFb/)
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: nikatapi on May 28, 2021, 07:58:21 AM
2/2 in re-releasing stuff that's already available in some form.

Can't say i'm excited to be honest, and the ridiculous prices of the limited edition vinyls seem a bit like a cash grab.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Madman Shepherd on May 28, 2021, 08:04:53 AM
I'm happy to finally get a physical copy. I hate digital stuff.
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Post by: noxon on May 28, 2021, 08:18:16 AM
Let's be realistic; most, if not all, of the releases for the foreseeable will be stuff that was already available in some shape or form - they've committed to rereleasing the Ytsejam series, which on its own is 18 cds and 2 dvds (that weren't also released as cds). If we're looking at 1 release a month, that's almost two years worth of material in just getting the Ytsejam stuff out there again, and add in potential fan club stuff and whatnot...

 
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 28, 2021, 08:45:56 AM
2/2 in re-releasing stuff that's already available in some form.

Can't say i'm excited to be honest, and the ridiculous prices of the limited edition vinyls seem a bit like a cash grab.

The Happy Holidays release isn't easily available anymore. Unless, you have the link.

I am happy this is getting a physical release though, as more people would be interested in it. Since, not everyone likes digital releases.

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Post by: ZirconBlue on May 28, 2021, 08:47:36 AM


Don't worry I'm 100% sure a 2CD version will be available.



Already up on LaserCD:  https://www.lasercd.com/cd/lost-not-forgotten-dramatic-tour-events-2cd-preorder
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Cool Chris on May 28, 2021, 09:32:48 AM
Egad that cover art!
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Post by: gzarruk on May 28, 2021, 10:40:13 AM
Let's be realistic; most, if not all, of the releases for the foreseeable will be stuff that was already available in some shape or form - they've committed to rereleasing the Ytsejam series, which on its own is 18 cds and 2 dvds (that weren't also released as cds). If we're looking at 1 release a month, that's almost two years worth of material in just getting the Ytsejam stuff out there again, and add in potential fan club stuff and whatnot...

Would love to see a new/upgraded version of Cleaning out the Closet from these releases. No need to have two versions of TLF, just the final one, and maybe add a few more non-album tracks like Raw Dog, Cry For Freedom (if such recording exists), some new leftover tracks...
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Cool Chris on May 28, 2021, 12:20:04 PM
No need to have two versions of TLF...

No need to have any versions of TLF  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2021, 12:29:01 PM
No need to have two versions of TLF...

No need to have any versions of TLF  :biggrin:

My thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: gzarruk on May 28, 2021, 12:30:23 PM
No need to have two versions of TLF...

No need to have any versions of TLF  :biggrin:

My thoughts exactly.

:rollin
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Nel on May 28, 2021, 12:47:42 PM
Egad that cover art!

It's like the Happy Holidays album art got tossed into a blender.  :lol
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Stadler on May 28, 2021, 12:49:05 PM
No need to have two versions of TLF...

No need to have any versions of TLF  :biggrin:

My thoughts exactly.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how much does it surprise you that TLF is at LEAST a top ten, maybe a top five DT song for me?
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2021, 12:51:28 PM
No need to have two versions of TLF...

No need to have any versions of TLF  :biggrin:

My thoughts exactly.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how much does it surprise you that TLF is at LEAST a top ten, maybe a top five DT song for me?

Oh it was a given. It's easy to know your favorite songs from any band. You just take a proper song ranking and turn it upside down. Bam! Instant Stadler Top 10! :lol
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: pg1067 on May 28, 2021, 12:59:51 PM
No need to have two versions of TLF...

No need to have any versions of TLF  :biggrin:

My thoughts exactly.

 :tup
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Madman Shepherd on May 28, 2021, 07:17:05 PM
No need to have two versions of TLF...

No need to have any versions of TLF  :biggrin:

My thoughts exactly.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how much does it surprise you that TLF is at LEAST a top ten, maybe a top five DT song for me?

It's a great song. Don't know how anyone could say it's not
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: zappafrank2112 on May 28, 2021, 08:50:01 PM
No need to have two versions of TLF...

No need to have any versions of TLF  :biggrin:

My thoughts exactly.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how much does it surprise you that TLF is at LEAST a top ten, maybe a top five DT song for me?

It's a great song. Don't know how anyone could say it's not

I have a soft spot for it since I've been a DT fan since I saw the vid for PMU on HBB back in the day, and bought the live in Japan VHS when it came out, which had TLF which at the time was unreleased.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Cool Chris on May 28, 2021, 09:39:03 PM
Due respect to those who feel differently... I hope they do not revisit any Majesty-era, B-side* or demo material as part of this new venture. 

*if my understanding is correct, due to changes in their writing process there has been little if any B-side material since FII.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: HOF on May 28, 2021, 09:50:59 PM
No need to have two versions of TLF...

No need to have any versions of TLF  :biggrin:

My thoughts exactly.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how much does it surprise you that TLF is at LEAST a top ten, maybe a top five DT song for me?

It's a great song. Don't know how anyone could say it's not

I agree. The I&W era version is a little shaky, but the Awake era version is really good, and I love the version they did at the unplugged show that was on 5YIALT.
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Post by: IgnotusPerIgnotium on May 29, 2021, 03:59:48 AM
For my money the I&W live in Tokyo version is my favorite. That middle section with Moore doubling the ethereal melody of the song and later supporting JP's solo is truly amazing and it completely elevates the listener. But also the 5YIALT version is another great rendition too.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: HOF on May 29, 2021, 07:41:37 AM
For my money the I&W live in Tokyo version is my favorite. That middle section with Moore doubling the ethereal melody of the song and later supporting JP's solo is truly amazing and it completely elevates the listener. But also the 5YIALT version is another great rendition too.

So I watched both on YouTube last night. The LIT version is great. The part I donít like is the end where  James just sings ďas long as I have to die in the attemptĒ over and over again in a higher register. They fixed that ending on the Awake version and on 5YIALT.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: TAC on May 29, 2021, 07:43:45 AM
OK, I've been a fan of Dream Theater for a very long time. What exactly is the Awake version of TLF?
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: HOF on May 29, 2021, 07:53:48 AM
OK, I've been a fan of Dream Theater for a very long time. What exactly is the Awake version of TLF?

They recorded two versions of it, one in 1991 and one in 1994 (there are earlier versions with different singers as well). The 1994 one has a slightly different ending (to the vocal part):

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dXZhivwlTdw
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Post by: Max Kuehnau on May 29, 2021, 07:59:25 AM
OK, I've been a fan of Dream Theater for a very long time. What exactly is the Awake version of TLF?
during part of the Porty era of the band, there were these annual fan club CDs (1996-2008 I think). One of these, the one in 1999, was called Cleaning Out The Closet. Porty compiled some studio outtakes from 1991-1997 on this one. There were two versions of TLF on this album, one from 1991 (originally slated to be included on I/W but rejected by the label at the time) and one from 1994 (which then should have been on Awake (along with Eve), but again, not included). The two studio versions obviously differ a bit, since the 1994 version was reworked slightly.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: TAC on May 29, 2021, 08:05:36 AM
OK, Gotcha guys! I'm going to look stupid, but I have Cleaning Out The Closet, and yes, there's 2 versions of TLF. I guess I never heard it referenced as the Awake version. Still, I don't think I've ever listened to them to even know the difference.
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Post by: Trav86 on May 29, 2021, 08:06:45 AM
OK, I've been a fan of Dream Theater for a very long time. What exactly is the Awake version of TLF?

The studio version. Itís the Ď94 version and the most common. So, if youíve heard the studio recording thatís most likely it. It also has a third verse that the Ď91 demo version doesnít, thatís why the third verse isnít on the Live in Tokyo version.

And Iíve never in all my years heard anyone refer to it as the ďAwake versionĒ.

And also itís definitely a top 20 song for me. So  :loser:
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: TAC on May 29, 2021, 08:11:25 AM
I really just know the song from the bootlegs of that era. While following the boots coming out during the tour, it was cool they added a song, but I just never thought it was very good. I think it morphed into some decent imstrumentality as the song went on in some of the live shows.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: HOF on May 29, 2021, 08:25:38 AM
OK, I've been a fan of Dream Theater for a very long time. What exactly is the Awake version of TLF?

The studio version. Itís the Ď94 version and the most common. So, if youíve heard the studio recording thatís most likely it. It also has a third verse that the Ď91 demo version doesnít, thatís why the third verse isnít on the Live in Tokyo version.

And Iíve never in all my years heard anyone refer to it as the ďAwake versionĒ.

And also itís definitely a top 20 song for me. So  :loser:

It was recorded for those sessions, right? Just differentiating it from the version recorded for I&W.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Max Kuehnau on May 29, 2021, 08:31:45 AM
IIRC, yes, it was reworked during the Awake sessions.
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Post by: Stadler on May 29, 2021, 08:37:47 AM
And in keeping with the pattern, I prefer the '91 (the "I&W") version.  It might be, in part, because I'm more familiar with that version, so that's what I knew, but the end of the '94 version (by the way, TAC, I've never heard it called the "Awake" version either) doesn't really work for me.

And by the way, I'm being honest with you guys, not "contrarian for the sake of contrarian".  I've posted top 10 and top 20 song lists here over the years, and TLF is ALWAYS on them.  That and "Cover My Eyes".   I guess I just like it when bands go out of their comfort zone.   I remember at one point, in the "Napster era", I had a CD with something like six or seven versions of the song, including live versions and versions with other singers.   The '91 version is best, IMO.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Trav86 on May 29, 2021, 09:15:57 AM
I probably feel the same away about The Way It Used to Be as you do about Cover My Eyes.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: TAC on May 29, 2021, 09:20:54 AM
I'm not a fan of The Way It Used To Be, but Cover My Eyes is a really cool and fun song. Not really Dream Theaterish, but I like it. Nice B-side. IT really worked well in the '98 Christmas shows.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Trav86 on May 29, 2021, 09:23:47 AM
Yeah, I prefer the acoustic version of Cover My Eyes more.
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Post by: HOF on May 29, 2021, 09:37:42 AM
I probably feel the same away about The Way It Used to Be as you do about Cover My Eyes.

I love The Way It Used to Be. Iím a sucker for hard rock DT. One of the things that was cool about that era was some of the more jam type instrumental passages they did with Derek. The instrumental part of TWIUTB is a good example. Thereís also a little jam on Once in a Livetime that bridges Metropolis and Learning to Live that is really fun.

Cover My Eyes is fun too, but I wish there were a proper recording of it. The acoustic performance is good though.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: gzarruk on May 29, 2021, 09:45:39 AM
I love TLF and, to me, the '94 version is THE version. It also appeared on the Greatest Hit +21... compilation.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: zappafrank2112 on May 29, 2021, 10:29:48 AM
Not sure if I'm in the minority of liking the Majesty demo with Chris Collins on vocals.  So assuming it exists, I'd love some live stuff from that era, and maybe some of the live stuff with no singer where they just did instrumental versions.
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Post by: devieira73 on May 29, 2021, 01:07:23 PM
I love TLF and, to me, the '94 version is THE version. It also appeared on the Greatest Hit +21... compilation.

I dont' t know if I have a "THE version" of TLF, but I do love the live version with Mike Mangini with that excellent different intro.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 29, 2021, 01:21:23 PM
Not sure if I'm in the minority of liking the Majesty demo with Chris Collins on vocals.  So assuming it exists, I'd love some live stuff from that era, and maybe some of the live stuff with no singer where they just did instrumental versions.

I really enjoy that version as well. He does a great job with that song.

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Post by: Peter Mc on May 29, 2021, 04:16:40 PM
TLF is not a top 10 DT song for me but I certainly enjoy it a lot.  Favourite version for me is that live version from the semi unplugged fan club show they did.  I think it was on the 5YIALT video and also on a fan club cd.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Dedalus on May 29, 2021, 05:10:58 PM
No need to have two versions of TLF...

No need to have any versions of TLF  :biggrin:

My thoughts exactly.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how much does it surprise you that TLF is at LEAST a top ten, maybe a top five DT song for me?

IDK about top anything, but I'm with you, it is a great song!
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Trav86 on May 29, 2021, 05:31:14 PM
I love TLF and, to me, the '94 version is THE version. It also appeared on the Greatest Hit +21... compilation.

I dont' t know if I have a "THE version" of TLF, but I do love the live version with Mike Mangini with that excellent different intro.

I agree. I love the way they did it and Iím glad itís going to be official on this new LNF release.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Cool Chris on May 29, 2021, 09:01:14 PM
Good lord, I just saw the track listing. How many releases (official, fan club, etc...) does this mediocre song that never appeared on an album need to be on?
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Pettor on May 30, 2021, 01:13:52 AM
The Count of Tuscany!!! I hope the sound is ok. The biggest mistakes DT ever done is to NOT include TGP or TCOT on a live release. TCOT is maybe the best live song they ever produced and really needs to be available in a good recording. Well well let's see.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Trav86 on May 30, 2021, 02:34:27 AM
The Count of Tuscany!!! I hope the sound is ok. The biggest mistakes DT ever done is to NOT include TGP or TCOT on a live release. TCOT is maybe the best live song they ever produced and really needs to be available in a good recording. Well well let's see.

Itís on YouTube. Itís Happy Holidaze 2013.  Apparently theyíre going to ďremasterĒ it though.
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Post by: devieira73 on May 30, 2021, 07:55:30 AM
By the way, there will be some remaster ou remix in this release? Something that I really thought it wasn't quite good in some songs, including TCOT, is the sound of the bass drums. It's really low in the mix and without definition.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: pg1067 on May 30, 2021, 03:19:51 PM
No need to have two versions of TLF...

No need to have any versions of TLF  :biggrin:

My thoughts exactly.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how much does it surprise you that TLF is at LEAST a top ten, maybe a top five DT song for me?

It's a great song. Don't know how anyone could say it's not

It's really quite easy.

It's not bad; it's just boring AF (which might be worse than being bad).
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Post by: ytserush on May 30, 2021, 04:38:37 PM
I'm happy to finally get a physical copy. I hate digital stuff.

That's really the enticement for me. I'm reluctantly getting both but I wish it was something I never heard before.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: ReaperKK on May 31, 2021, 07:14:10 AM
For my money the I&W live in Tokyo version is my favorite. That middle section with Moore doubling the ethereal melody of the song and later supporting JP's solo is truly amazing and it completely elevates the listener. But also the 5YIALT version is another great rendition too.

I agree, that middle solo section is one of the best JP live solo moments IMO.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 01, 2021, 07:21:21 AM
I prefer the structure of the '91 version of TLF, but the production of the '94 version.

My preference for the '91 is slight.  I love the song in all its forms and fashions.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Grandepapa on June 01, 2021, 11:14:19 AM
- The 3 DT songs played from MM's audition.

Absolutely this. Every time I watch the drummer auditions I wish more footage of the drummers playing the songs had been included.

Also, anything from the escape from the studio tour.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: gzarruk on June 01, 2021, 11:36:09 AM
- The 3 DT songs played from MM's audition.

Absolutely this. Every time I watch the drummer auditions I wish more footage of the drummers playing the songs had been included.

Also, anything from the escape from the studio tour.

Since this was posted before we knew how the LNFA would be released, I'll now change that original idea to the whole MM audition (the songs, the "composed" jam, and the free jams) or as much as they can fit in a single disc.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Robo4900 on June 01, 2021, 12:05:33 PM
IMO, a re-release of COTC is pretty much mandatory, if it's possible for them to do it, and if they do, they would be amiss to exclude anything that was on the original version. Though having both versions of To Live Forever back-to-back never made much sense to me. I'd move the '91 version to the end as a "Bonus track", since the '94 version was the one that was actually used as a B-side and IIRC fully studio-produced. ('94 was recorded at the Awake sessions, I believe '91 is basically a remastered version of the ATCO demo)

I wonder if they could find room on the disc to fit the original version of A Change Of Seasons.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Cool Chris on June 01, 2021, 07:29:28 PM
I rag on CoTC all the time, and this isn't going to be a rehash of that. But a serious question... is there anyone who might want those songs who hasn't obtained them in some manner? Is there any demand for those songs at this point in 2021?
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: gzarruk on June 01, 2021, 08:12:41 PM
I rag on CoTC all the time, and this isn't going to be a rehash of that. But a serious question... is there anyone who might want those songs who hasn't obtained them in some manner? Is there any demand for those songs at this point in 2021?

I'd say the same about another live version of SFAM or IAW in full or a re-release of Happy Holidays, which was offered as a free high-quality download... but here we are :biggrin:
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: HOF on June 01, 2021, 10:18:22 PM
I rag on CoTC all the time, and this isn't going to be a rehash of that. But a serious question... is there anyone who might want those songs who hasn't obtained them in some manner? Is there any demand for those songs at this point in 2021?

I donít have a lot of them. I was never a fan club member and Iím one who never got around to buying from Ytsejam. I imagine anyone who became a fan after MP left is in the same boat.
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Post by: IDontNotDoThings on June 01, 2021, 10:35:50 PM
I rag on CoTC all the time, and this isn't going to be a rehash of that. But a serious question... is there anyone who might want those songs who hasn't obtained them in some manner? Is there any demand for those songs at this point in 2021?

*raises hand*
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on June 02, 2021, 05:09:30 AM
I rag on CoTC all the time, and this isn't going to be a rehash of that. But a serious question... is there anyone who might want those songs who hasn't obtained them in some manner? Is there any demand for those songs at this point in 2021?

*raises hand*

I only have To Live Forever due to me buying the Ď94 version from Greatest Hit on iTunes. I guess technically I have Raise the Knife because of Score as well, but I donít have any studio versions of these songs besides TLF.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Stadler on June 02, 2021, 06:31:22 AM
I rag on CoTC all the time, and this isn't going to be a rehash of that. But a serious question... is there anyone who might want those songs who hasn't obtained them in some manner? Is there any demand for those songs at this point in 2021?

Well, as a HUGE fan of COTC (if it was an album proper, it'd be in the top quarter/third of their albums) I have it and have bought and sold a few copies over the years.  I won't buy it again, but without access to it - and it's not common nor necessarily cheap on the used market - I would be a candidate.   It's hard to assemble all of those songs individually especially WITHOUT Ytsejam operating.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Trav86 on June 02, 2021, 07:23:48 AM
I rag on CoTC all the time, and this isn't going to be a rehash of that. But a serious question... is there anyone who might want those songs who hasn't obtained them in some manner? Is there any demand for those songs at this point in 2021?

Since I never listen to CDs anymore, yes. A remastered digital version would be awesome.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 02, 2021, 09:44:55 AM
I rag on CoTC all the time, and this isn't going to be a rehash of that. But a serious question... is there anyone who might want those songs who hasn't obtained them in some manner? Is there any demand for those songs at this point in 2021?
I want it, for sure.  I mean, I have all of the songs, but not in top-notch quality in physical form.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: pg1067 on June 02, 2021, 09:47:14 AM
I rag on CoTC all the time, and this isn't going to be a rehash of that. But a serious question... is there anyone who might want those songs who hasn't obtained them in some manner? Is there any demand for those songs at this point in 2021?

I remember the first time I heard about COTC.  It was talked about with such reverence that I felt I needed to have it.  I then heard what was on it and said, "never mind."  I'd estimate the interest exists almost entirely among completists and collectors.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on June 02, 2021, 10:09:05 AM
I rag on CoTC all the time, and this isn't going to be a rehash of that. But a serious question... is there anyone who might want those songs who hasn't obtained them in some manner? Is there any demand for those songs at this point in 2021?

I remember the first time I hear about COTC.  It was talked about with such reverence that I felt I needed to have it.  I then heard what was on it and said, "never mind."  I'd estimate the interest exists almost entirely among completists and collectors.

Iím not a collector, but for me, itís about having all officially released Dream Theater songs (my meaning of that is songs released on albums, EPís, and singles), and of those songs, the only one I donít have is Eve.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on June 02, 2021, 10:18:02 AM
I don't NOT want COTC re-released. But seeing as I already own it, it's far down on the list of things I'd like to see. I mean, seven of the nine tracks had been available through other avenues for years (TLF '91 on the I&W Demos, TLF '94 on Greatest Hit, and all five FII tracks on the FII Demos).

I want to see things that haven't been documented before:

2015 festival shows
Making of Six Degrees
Black Clouds tour
MM's Drummer audition in full
maybe even older live stuff, like with Charlie on vox

The band's been around for 35+ years. Surely they have stuff in the Archives that we haven't heard before.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: pg1067 on June 02, 2021, 10:57:43 AM
I rag on CoTC all the time, and this isn't going to be a rehash of that. But a serious question... is there anyone who might want those songs who hasn't obtained them in some manner? Is there any demand for those songs at this point in 2021?

I remember the first time I hear about COTC.  It was talked about with such reverence that I felt I needed to have it.  I then heard what was on it and said, "never mind."  I'd estimate the interest exists almost entirely among completists and collectors.

Iím not a collector, but for me, itís about having all officially released Dream Theater songs (my meaning of that is songs released on albums, EPís, and singles), and of those songs, the only one I donít have is Eve.

That's pretty much the definition of a completist.


I want to see things that haven't been documented before:

2015 festival shows
Making of Six Degrees
Black Clouds tour
MM's Drummer audition in full
maybe even older live stuff, like with Charlie on vox

The band's been around for 35+ years. Surely they have stuff in the Archives that we haven't heard before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_nmR6H1juQ&t=6s


With respect to having "stuff in the Archives," you need to distinguish between the band and MP.  Documenting and archiving the band's history was almost exclusively an MP thing.  Unless MP turned stuff over when he left, and excluding things like tapes that JP and JR may have made as part of the songwriting process, I think it's relatively unlikely that the band has much of any unreleased material from the MP era.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Stadler on June 02, 2021, 12:46:48 PM
I rag on CoTC all the time, and this isn't going to be a rehash of that. But a serious question... is there anyone who might want those songs who hasn't obtained them in some manner? Is there any demand for those songs at this point in 2021?

I remember the first time I hear about COTC.  It was talked about with such reverence that I felt I needed to have it.  I then heard what was on it and said, "never mind."  I'd estimate the interest exists almost entirely among completists and collectors.

Iím not a collector, but for me, itís about having all officially released Dream Theater songs (my meaning of that is songs released on albums, EPís, and singles), and of those songs, the only one I donít have is Eve.

"Eve" is available on the "The Silent Man" CD single.  There are copies on Discogs and eBay (shipping is the wildcard).
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Trav86 on June 02, 2021, 03:29:00 PM
I just preordered the the second release. ManÖif someone didnít know the original Happy Holidaze 2013 album cover that this came from, this new album cover wouldnít make any sense.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Robo4900 on June 03, 2021, 08:21:19 AM
So, to be clear, the COTC songs' availability outside of COTC:

Don't Look Past Me - This version was exclusive to COTC, as there wasn't a fully-produced version with James on vocals before the CD was put together. He recorded new vocals for it in 1999, during the Scenes sessions, I believe. A version of this song from the singer auditions with John Hendricks on vocals was included in the Images & Words demos (out of stock for years). If you hunt around, a "live" rehearsal recording of JLB singing it with the band was on the bootleg Antiquities (https://youtu.be/NuMlX9InhvM?t=2759), but it doesn't have samples or multitracked vocals, and the sound quality is pretty bad. The COTC version was eventually re-released on the Lifting Shadows bonus CD (good luck getting ahold of that!).
To Live Forever '91 - The ATCO demos (also a limited-edition fan club CD), which were reissued on the Images & Words demos (was out of stock for years).
To Live Forever '94 - The Lie single, Greatest Hit.
Eve - The Silent Man single.
Raise The Knife, Where Are You Now, The Way It Used To Be, Cover My Eyes - All available on the Falling Into Infinity demos (again, out of stock for years), but in significantly worse quality (worse mix, worse mastering, etc. They sound plain awful. If the FII demos get re-pressed, they NEED a round of remastering).
Speak To Me - Same as above, but also available in nice sound quality on the Japanese release of Falling Into Infinity, on a bonus mini-CD (also includes a good-quality version of the Take Away My Pain demo).

So, the only way you get all of these songs is by buying the Images & Words demos, the Falling Into Infinity demos, the Lie single or Greatest Hit, and the Silent Man single, and even if you do this, you don't get the JLB version of Don't Look Past Me, and all the FII demos sound atrocious, and you've spent quite a lot of money to get this lot.

COTC only occasionally pops up on eBay and the like, usually going for upwards of £50 (which actually works out better than buying all the individual other things, and sounds better, and has the best version of Don't Look Past Me). Having a re-pressing so people can actually get ahold of these songs without either being a member of the fan club in 1999 or hunting around for obscure singles and long-out-of-print official bootlegs and such that you used to have to buy directly from one website that was last updated in 2009, would definitely be a good thing, and especially if the Lost Not Forgotten Archive releases are going on Spotify and the like (which looks to be the case), it would make all these "obscure" songs way, way more available to average fans, which can only be a good thing.
Certainly, it would be great if a COTC re-release made enough waves to allow Don't Look Past Me to show up on a future tour setlist. (Or, hey, maybe Raise The Knife or Eve)
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: TheSoylentMan on June 03, 2021, 09:53:08 AM
Thanks Robo, this is helpful. I've always wondered if there was a difference between the FII demos and the COTC versions of those tracks. Have never heard a definitive answer on that.

I don't own COTC, but I own all the songs from other releases except the James version of Don't Look Past Me. It's never been worth it to me to pay eBay prices for COTC for the sake of one song. But if they re-release it for a normal CD price *and* it has better-quality versions of the FII b-sides I'd probably go for it.

Wish these things had better cover art though. I didn't love the YtseJam watermark thing, but this kaleidoscope idea is far worse IMO. Reminds me of the graphics from LSFNY (ha). The bootleg versions of Budokan 2017 with the tour promo art look way better than the official release. And just give me the original Happy Holidays cover, silly as it was. I'm not really looking forward to a mangled version of the COTC cover if/when I finally get it. Oh well.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Stadler on June 03, 2021, 11:38:33 AM
Nice summary; would point out that the sound of the FII demos is a matter of opinion.  I don't find them THAT bad. 
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 03, 2021, 12:51:04 PM
The FII demos are exactly what they're named, you are getting the actual demos from the FII sessions of all the songs. The demos they recorded to send to the record company to give them the go ahead to actually record the final album.

Cleaning Out The Closet are the songs from those Demos that did not make the album. These were polished up from these demos and released, so that all the songs that are not FII demo songs, like Eve and Don't Look Past Me, can have a more smoother sound and mix across the cd, a way to make it it's own release.



If they were to do a Cleaning Out The Closet re-release, I would also like them to include the other non-album songs they have done, Raw Dog, and also these type of demos like, Wither JP vocal demo, and The Best of Times MP vocal demo.

Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: bosk1 on June 03, 2021, 01:11:30 PM
I'm not sure whether they have the rights to Raw Dog.  But if so, even though it is not something I like very much, I would love to actually have a copy of it.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 03, 2021, 02:03:30 PM
I'm not sure whether they have the rights to Raw Dog.  But if so, even though it is not something I like very much, I would love to actually have a copy of it.

It's available digitally on Amazon...

I wouldn't mind having a physical copy of it too, if that's what you meant.

I also wouldn't mind if we were able to hear the actual ending they had planned for it.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 03, 2021, 03:31:23 PM
So, to be clear, the COTC songs' availability outside of COTC:
Nice summary Robo, but don't forget that DLPM actually was released on the bonus CD that came with the original Lifting Shadows biography (the one that had a separate photo book).
 
 
I also wouldn't mind if we were able to hear the actual ending they had planned for it.
Wat. That's the first I'm hearing this - got a reference that talks about that?
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 03, 2021, 03:41:58 PM
So, to be clear, the COTC songs' availability outside of COTC:
Nice summary Robo, but don't forget that DLPM actually was released on the bonus CD that came with the original Lifting Shadows biography (the one that had a separate photo book).
 
 
I also wouldn't mind if we were able to hear the actual ending they had planned for it.
Wat. That's the first I'm hearing this - got a reference that talks about that?

I remember hearing something about how they had an ending with samples from the game, and they couldn't use those due to copyright, and had to end up just doing a sudden ending.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: TAC on June 03, 2021, 03:43:10 PM
Samples from the game...um yeah, let's just keep the sudden ending.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Robo4900 on June 04, 2021, 11:07:21 AM
The FII demos are exactly what they're named, you are getting the actual demos from the FII sessions of all the songs. The demos they recorded to send to the record company to give them the go ahead to actually record the final album.

Cleaning Out The Closet are the songs from those Demos that did not make the album. These were polished up from these demos and released, so that all the songs that are not FII demo songs, like Eve and Don't Look Past Me, can have a more smoother sound and mix across the cd, a way to make it it's own release.
I don't think you have the right idea here. The 2007 FII demos release and the 1999 COTC release, as well as all the other releases of the FII demos (Hollow Years single, Japanese FII bonus mini-CD, Lifting Shadows), and every other release of a DT demo recording (the other YtseJam demo releases, some B-sides, etc.) all have some kind of mastering, possibly some were even were remixed from the original stems, if those still existed at the time those releases were put together (not implying they don't exist anymore, but we don't know either way, though I would suspect that the stems for many of the earliest demos, particularly the Majesty ones, don't exist anymore).

The point I'm getting at is this: The FII demos release doesn't sound the way it does because the demos sound bad, it sounds the way it does because of how it was mastered. You can see this quite plainly by listening to any of the other YtseJam demo releases that sound better (WDADU, I&W, or Awake, for instance), or any of the numerous other releases of these demos. Yes, they can be mastered well, and good mastering takes time and effort, but equally, they can be mastered badly due to great time and effort in the wrong direction.

It's possible the mastering engineer behind the FII demos was simply provided with bad copies of the demos, but given good copies existed for mastering on COTC and other releases, and given the fact Mike Portnoy stated in the YtseJam FAQ that "These releases will be top notch" in terms of quality, since he always kept high-quality copies of everything DT did, and all the releases were professionally mastered to (in theory) ensure quality, there is really no reason to suppose that the FII demos just sound that way. Their crappiness on the demos release is just because they were mastered badly. A few minutes of figuring out an EQ setting immediately makes the CD sound infinitely better.

Nice summary Robo, but don't forget that DLPM actually was released on the bonus CD that came with the original Lifting Shadows biography (the one that had a separate photo book).
I did edit this in after realising I'd forgotten this, but I got to it quite late. Still, I appreciate the correction all the same. :)

I also wouldn't mind if we were able to hear the actual ending they had planned for it.
Wat. That's the first I'm hearing this - got a reference that talks about that?
I don't know if it was samples from the game, but for ages I've heard people say there were supposed to be samples at the end, and that there's a leaked copy SOMEWHERE out there that has the samples in it, but apparently there was some kind of rights issue that meant they had to just cut the song off abruptly.

I'm not sure whether they have the rights to Raw Dog.  But if so, even though it is not something I like very much, I would love to actually have a copy of it.
I do sort of agree, but at the same time, I'm not sure I'd want COTC to be tainted by something that's a bit shit, given how good the rest of the disc is.  :lol
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Stadler on June 04, 2021, 11:08:33 AM
So, to be clear, the COTC songs' availability outside of COTC:
Nice summary Robo, but don't forget that DLPM actually was released on the bonus CD that came with the original Lifting Shadows biography (the one that had a separate photo book).

One of the things I liked/like (since he does it in some of his other bands, too) about Mike is his awareness.  He was careful to not undermine the value and importance of the Fan Club CDs but he always seemed to find a way to get the stuff out there for the rest of the fan base if they wanted to hear it bad enough.  I love that. 
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 04, 2021, 11:31:19 AM
The FII demos are exactly what they're named, you are getting the actual demos from the FII sessions of all the songs. The demos they recorded to send to the record company to give them the go ahead to actually record the final album.

Cleaning Out The Closet are the songs from those Demos that did not make the album. These were polished up from these demos and released, so that all the songs that are not FII demo songs, like Eve and Don't Look Past Me, can have a more smoother sound and mix across the cd, a way to make it it's own release.
The way you phrase this is deceptive. The 2007 FII demos release and the 1999 COTC release, as well as all the other releases of the FII demos (Hollow Years single, Japanese FII bonus mini-CD, Lifting Shadows), and every other release of a DT demo recording (the other YtseJam demo releases, some B-sides, etc.) all have some kind of mastering, possibly some were even were remixed from the original stems, if those still existed at the time those releases were put together (not implying they don't exist anymore, but we don't know either way, though I would suspect that the stems for many of the earliest demos, particularly the Majesty ones, don't exist anymore).

The point I'm getting at is this: The FII demos release doesn't sound the way it does because the demos sound bad, it sounds the way it does because of how it was mastered. You can see this quite plainly by listening to any of the other YtseJam demo releases that sound better (WDADU, I&W, or Awake, for instance), or any of the numerous other releases of these demos. Yes, they can be mastered well, and good mastering takes time and effort, but equally, they can be mastered badly due to great time and effort in the wrong direction.

It's possible the mastering engineer behind the FII demos was simply provided with bad copies of the demos, but given good copies existed for mastering on COTC and other releases, and given the fact Mike Portnoy stated in the YtseJam FAQ that "These releases will be top notch" in terms of quality, since he always kept high-quality copies of everything DT did, and all the releases were professionally mastered to (in theory) ensure quality, there is really no reason to suppose that the FII demos just sound that way. Their crappiness on the demos release is just because they were mastered badly. A few minutes of figuring out an EQ setting immediately makes the CD sound infinitely better.

Yeah I get what you are saying.

What I am getting at, is the the band recorded these demos with no intention of them being released or mastered for anything other than showing the record company the songs they made. So they weren't going to be great or the best. These were the demos that were created before they completely changed some of these demos, and recorded them to be what we hear on the album. And some songs are only available on this release, which is why I bought it. Mainly to hear Where Are You Now? and I know it's not mastered at all or mixed well at all. I never expected any polishing from these demo releases, I actually expected raw demo with no mastering or mixing whatsoever.

Were they able to use the actual stems from those demos, for the COTC releases and others, and able to master them better? Could be so, that's why they sound better.

I don't have my cd booklet on hand for my demos to look and read again if MP mentions it, but I think what MP released are these demos that were recorded, as is, with only mastering to make them have a bit of a consistency in terms of volume throughout the release. I could also be completely wrong, and it is what you said that the mastering engineer got bad copies of the demos.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: zappafrank2112 on June 05, 2021, 01:21:45 PM
Certainly, it would be great if a COTC re-release made enough waves to allow Don't Look Past Me to show up on a future tour setlist.

Very glad I got to see them do both DLPM and TLF on the I&W&B show I attended
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Fritzinger on June 25, 2021, 02:41:52 AM
It looks like the next LNF release will feature Train Of Thought's original instrumental demos:

https://justforkicks.de/detail/index/sArticle/10887
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: devieira73 on June 25, 2021, 05:18:38 AM
https://open.spotify.com/album/5vG3r0Cdc05CnJMO5VQe5B?si=wSBTctgQSdyiKRaaD955pw&dl_branch=1
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: devieira73 on June 25, 2021, 12:20:19 PM
It looks like the next LNF release will feature Train Of Thought's original instrumental demos:

https://justforkicks.de/detail/index/sArticle/10887

Wow, they will keep one release per month? Excellent. IMO the ToT demos are the best from the demos official bootlegs in terms of the recording/mix quality.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: ReaperKK on June 25, 2021, 12:21:47 PM
Are the TOT demos just the instrumental cuts of the songs or are they different from the studio releases?
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: devieira73 on June 25, 2021, 12:31:41 PM
A tiny different if compared with the final recordings. They are instrumental demos recorded before they entered the studio to actually record the album.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Stadler on June 25, 2021, 12:41:17 PM
And these are the same as released on the Ytsejam releases?
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 25, 2021, 12:44:16 PM
Are the TOT demos just the instrumental cuts of the songs or are they different from the studio releases?

A tiny different if compared with the final recordings. They are instrumental demos recorded before they entered the studio to actually record the album.

Yup, these demos are before they record the songs with whatever guitars, mics, and other equipment that affects the tone of the final album. So the tone of the songs are going to be different, if they didn't use the guitars they recorded the demos with, or the sound patches JR ended up recording.


Also, I like how the Images and Words LNF album is the only album on Spotify.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 25, 2021, 12:46:15 PM
And these are the same as released on the Ytsejam releases?

They're remastered.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: jadiggerdt on June 25, 2021, 12:52:30 PM
Please no new materials in the future. James voice cant do this anymore. This was bad. Take the time hurts!
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 25, 2021, 01:02:21 PM
Please no new materials in the future. James voice cant do this anymore. This was bad. Take the time hurts!

I thought the changes he did were good for what he is able to do. There is a reason though why MP did the intro live, and also why they haven't played this song live.

But, at the same time, Take The Time is not an easy song to sing. It's really fast paced for a vocalist. Especially if you're touring, as that can exhaust your voice, and you need rest days. Touring schedules can be taxing for some vocalists.

JLB's voice is very hit or miss live and it depends on a lot of factors that range from environment, if he rested the day before, if it's the end of the tour, if it's the beginning of the tour, if he warmed up properly, and if he has a cold that affects his respiratory system.

Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Pettor on June 25, 2021, 01:49:32 PM
Are all archive CDs coming to Spotify etc? 250$ isn't something I could spend on stuff like this but I am interested in hearing it.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on June 25, 2021, 01:54:08 PM
Are all archive CDs coming to Spotify etc? 250$ isn't something I could spend on stuff like this but I am interested in hearing it.

They have CDs/non-signed vinyl for sale on other sites that don't cost that much. Unsure why their site doesn't offer those.

But to answer the question, as far as I've heard, they should all be coming to streaming platforms as well.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: TAC on June 25, 2021, 02:06:06 PM
Yay, 3 straight releases I have no interest in. :(
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: goo-goo on June 25, 2021, 02:21:49 PM
I'm enjoying the Budokan release. Actually, not bad as how it was depicted here in DTF. I mean sure, there are some struggles that I would consider minor (scream in Learning to Live) but the performance is very similar to HOW he sang in Distant Memories. I also liked how James sang Another Day, just going lower on the register.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: TAC on June 25, 2021, 02:34:38 PM
I just checked Take The Time on Spotify. I was certainly late to the party on this but...James isn't even close on this. Not even close. And those piped in vocals.. so disappointing to hear. I love Dream Theater pretty much more than any other band, but what are we doing?
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: nick_z on June 25, 2021, 05:10:34 PM
Agree that the vocals on Take the Time are a bit rough. I don't necessarily mind the piped-in background vox, but I think JLB should stick to harmonizing to them when they pop up, instead of freestyling  ;)

Also agree that Take the Time must be an extraordinarily hard song to sing live, especially in the context of a full concert (and in the midst of full tour on top of that)...

...which got me thinking - who do you guys think, in the current metal/pop scene, would be able to pretty much nail that song live?
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: countoftuscany42 on June 25, 2021, 05:45:08 PM
While he's not my favorite singer just based on his vocal style, I think the singer from Periphery could do a solid version with a unique feel
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: TAC on June 25, 2021, 06:09:51 PM
Also agree that Take the Time must be an extraordinarily hard song to sing live, especially in the context of a full concert (and in the midst of full tour on top of that)...

...which got me thinking - who do you guys think, in the current metal/pop scene, would be able to pretty much nail that song live?

(https://pm1.narvii.com/6244/0bc8550c7311f619386e4e6c7a91c3af5f15b2b2_hq.jpg)
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: nick_z on June 25, 2021, 06:30:46 PM

(https://pm1.narvii.com/6244/0bc8550c7311f619386e4e6c7a91c3af5f15b2b2_hq.jpg)

 :biggrin: And a perfect picture to boot! He's like "Me? Yeah, I think I can handle it..."
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Cool Chris on June 25, 2021, 09:35:55 PM
To those who dig demos.... how often do you listen to them? I don't think I've cared about a demo of any album/song ever, but even if I did, it would be something I would listen to once out of curiosity. I can't imagine I would revisit it with any regularity to be something worth purchasing.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 25, 2021, 11:32:56 PM
Only got to listen to 3 tracks on Budokan before the rain started pouring down on me on my walk and had to go home but I was digging it hardcore.

After reading all these comments I was dreading hearing JLB's performance. I remember seeing this tour and thinking some of his modifications were a bit odd but having a blast overall. I assumed they would not translate well on a recording. How wrong I was (and a lot of you too)!

In some ways I felt his performance was more emotional since he wasn't concentrating so hard on just hitting the right notes. I think it helped the overall mood that they tuned down a half step. Everything sounded really heavy.

Sure I missed the high note in Another Day and I'm sure there will be a few others but man, this sounded so much better than I thought it was going to and James did much better than anyone is giving him credit for.  :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 26, 2021, 07:00:14 AM
To those who dig demos.... how often do you listen to them? I don't think I've cared about a demo of any album/song ever, but even if I did, it would be something I would listen to once out of curiosity. I can't imagine I would revisit it with any regularity to be something worth purchasing.

It really depends on how different the demo is compared to the final album track.

Most demos are vastly different than the final album track. I listen to these types of demos.

Demos are not meant to sound good either. Demos are meant for the record label to get their approval of the songs being on the record labels product. Some labels let the artists have full control while others have a big say in what songs will make the final cut. These cut demos, may become recorded songs in the future, or become unreleased tracks the label can sell later on.

The FII demos are a great example of demos I wouldn't mind buying...


All of the Chroma Key songs on Patreon are demos. With an intent that one day, they might be recorded and released on an album.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 26, 2021, 07:07:51 AM
Only got to listen to 3 tracks on Budokan before the rain started pouring down on me on my walk and had to go home but I was digging it hardcore.

After reading all these comments I was dreading hearing JLB's performance. I remember seeing this tour and thinking some of his modifications were a bit odd but having a blast overall. I assumed they would not translate well on a recording. How wrong I was (and a lot of you too)!

In some ways I felt his performance was more emotional since he wasn't concentrating so hard on just hitting the right notes. I think it helped the overall mood that they tuned down a half step. Everything sounded really heavy.

Sure I missed the high note in Another Day and I'm sure there will be a few others but man, this sounded so much better than I thought it was going to and James did much better than anyone is giving him credit for.  :metal :metal :metal

I enjoyed Another Day and his modifications. I like how he chose to gradually up his vocals, and make that middle section more different by adding in melodies that sti for the song and basically makes that part not the climax. Which leads into the guitar solo which impacts it more. This decision made the song build and climax at the end where JLB does go for the high notes. They made the climax of the song be the end chorus.

I'm not at all surprised about Take The Time either. And this song is the reason I believe they had to down tune for.

The half step makes a big difference as it becomes more emotional. The piano hits harder, especially in their soft songs tracks, Another Day, Surrounded and Wait For Sleep.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: nick_z on June 26, 2021, 07:36:43 AM
Also really enjoyed MM's performance. It's kind of funny how my mind was waiting for certain drum parts the way MP had modified them for the live setting over the years, and in some of the cases MM stuck closer to the studio version. Kind of cool, actually ;) And I really love what he does under the brief solo in Sorrounded.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Max Kuehnau on June 26, 2021, 07:42:15 AM
Also really enjoyed MM's performance. It's kind of funny how my mind was waiting for certain drum parts the way MP had modified them for the live setting over the years, and in some of the cases MM stuck closer to the studio version. Kind of cool, actually ;) And I really love what he does under the brief solo in Sorrounded.
this is one of the parts that have been improved by him. (as well as the tom run leading into James' first cue, which is a clean run of all 32nds, as well as the entire band doubling the one of the unison sections of Met1). As it should have been all along IMHO. (more technical and more musical.) Sadly, Mike wasn't in the band yet 30 years ago. I'm grateful to have attended this tour.
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Post by: Fritzinger on June 26, 2021, 08:09:41 AM
Concerning the downturning, I always wondered: doesn't Jordan have perfect pitch? If he just digitally tunes his keyboard down, doesn't that completely fuck with his hearing? He can't possibly have relearned all these parts in a new key... (but then again, I bet Jordan could play all these parts with his left butt cheek if he wanted to). Does anyone know how he did this?
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Post by: Schurftkut on June 26, 2021, 09:03:06 AM
he replied in an interview that it really fucked with his brains, playing the correct notes but hearing different tones. musclememory was more important though so he put up with it.
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Post by: gzarruk on June 26, 2021, 09:08:22 AM
Concerning the downturning, I always wondered: doesn't Jordan have perfect pitch? If he just digitally tunes his keyboard down, doesn't that completely fuck with his hearing? He can't possibly have relearned all these parts in a new key... (but then again, I bet Jordan could play all these parts with his left butt cheek if he wanted to). Does anyone know how he did this?

He addressed this on his interview with Rick Beato around the time of this tour. He said that even though he has perfect pitch, he's played these songs SO MANY TIMES that he didn't want to re-learn them, so he basically just down-tuned the keyboard and tried not to think too much about it :lol

(Too lazy to search the video right now, but it should be on Rick's YT channel)
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Post by: nick_z on June 26, 2021, 12:20:12 PM

this is one of the parts that have been improved by him. (as well as the tom run leading into James' first cue, which is a clean run of all 32nds, as well as the entire band doubling the one of the unison sections of Met1). As it should have been all along IMHO. (more technical and more musical.) Sadly, Mike wasn't in the band yet 30 years ago. I'm grateful to have attended this tour.

That part is super-cool live, and I love that they do it that way, as a little twist...but I actually prefer it with the steady beat as on the album
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Post by: Stadler on June 26, 2021, 02:38:14 PM
To those who dig demos.... how often do you listen to them? I don't think I've cared about a demo of any album/song ever, but even if I did, it would be something I would listen to once out of curiosity. I can't imagine I would revisit it with any regularity to be something worth purchasing.

I rarely listen to demos, unless there's something different.  There are some demos by the Buffalo Springfield on their box set that blow away the final versions - the demos are just acoustic and vocals - so I prefer those.  I prefer the demos for FII by DT, too.
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Post by: devieira73 on June 26, 2021, 07:20:33 PM
About I&W Live Japan 2017... a I think that, at least for the last 10 years, I'm really in peace with James vocals. They changed and that's the reality for almost all vocalists when get older. He will never go back to Octavarium tour days anymore (my fave phase for his voice). Sure, that drastic change in tone and melodies in that part from 2:51 to 3:04 of Take the Time truly is a bit shocking (by the way, that was made by purpose, not by a failure in the middle of his performance - as I thought at first). But I apreciate immensely all the effort James puts in the live performances and I'm really happy that he's still the vocalist of the band.
But... I must say I don't like the pre-recorded backing vocals. I would prefer only James's voice even with its present limitations or, if JP/JR/MM can do some quality backing vocals LIVE, then do it LIVE. I'm not against the use of the click track to enhance the visual presentation of the show, but I'm almost totally against the pre-recorded backing tracks (In DT's case, I think it would be OK just for those movie/robotic voices or some eletronic effects - like in the beginning of Metropolis - or some orchestration).
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Post by: evilasiojr on June 26, 2021, 07:51:24 PM
After my first listen to this official release of Image and Words in Budokan, I gotta say I'm a bit surprised, I actually liked it more than I expected.

When the unofficial bootleg was running out there a couple of years ago, my favorite part of the set wasn't even the IaW set. So I had no really interest on this release. But it was a fun listen.

My highlights: Mangini is killing on the drums; All the jams and extended parts sound really cool; The unison solo in Metropolis with drums and bass added in was AWESOME; James's voice wasn't as bad as I expected, it actually sounded really well overall, although there are those moments when it gets a bit sad to hear the man trying so hard but not getting there.

I'm really excited now for the next one, it is a great set and as far as I remember from the Happy Holidays release, all the band made great performances, including James.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 26, 2021, 07:59:06 PM
About I&W Live Japan 2017... a I think that, at least for the last 10 years, I'm really in peace with James vocals. They changed and that's the reality for almost all vocalists when get older. He will never go back to Octavarium tour days anymore (my fave phase for his voice). Sure, that drastic change in tone and melodies in that part from 2:51 to 3:04 of Take the Time truly is a bit shocking (by the way, that was made by purpose, not by a failure in the middle of his performance - as I thought at first). But I apreciate immensely all the effort James puts in the live performances and I'm really happy that he's still the vocalist of the band.
But... I must say I don't like the pre-recorded backing vocals. I would prefer only James's voice even with its present limitations or, if JP/JR/MM can do some quality backing vocals LIVE, then do it LIVE. I'm not against the use of the click track to enhance the visual presentation of the show, but I'm almost totally against the pre-recorded backing tracks (In DT's case, I think it would be OK just for those movie/robotic voices or some eletronic effects - like in the beginning of Metropolis - or some orchestration).


Before MP and JP started singing backing vocals, when they would play Take The Time, the audience would sing the lyrics "It's time to take the time". And on the NYC 93 bootleg, You don't hear no lyrics or anyone singing at all.

I'm just glad you can at least hear the audience a bit in the mix.
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Post by: devieira73 on June 26, 2021, 08:15:28 PM
Yeah, that was really cool on that version! :tup
About MM, the cool thing is that he manages to add something of his own on the MP songs and, at the same time, he really is very dedicated to keep a lot from those original drums arrangements. Since the DT12 tour on, he's been doing this in a perfectly balanced way IMO. In his beginning in DT I think he had a lot more note by note approach in his performances on MP songs, for obvious reasons.
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Post by: TAC on June 26, 2021, 08:36:46 PM
Concerning the downturning, I always wondered: doesn't Jordan have perfect pitch? If he just digitally tunes his keyboard down, doesn't that completely fuck with his hearing? He can't possibly have relearned all these parts in a new key... (but then again, I bet Jordan could play all these parts with his left butt cheek if he wanted to). Does anyone know how he did this?

He addressed this on his interview with Rick Beato around the time of this tour. He said that even though he has perfect pitch, he's played these songs SO MANY TIMES that he didn't want to re-learn them, so he basically just down-tuned the keyboard and tried not to think too much about it :lol

(Too lazy to search the video right now, but it should be on Rick's YT channel)

https://youtu.be/TToz0QP25YU?t=2841
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 26, 2021, 09:19:38 PM
About I&W Live Japan 2017... a I think that, at least for the last 10 years, I'm really in peace with James vocals. They changed and that's the reality for almost all vocalists when get older. He will never go back to Octavarium tour days anymore (my fave phase for his voice). Sure, that drastic change in tone and melodies in that part from 2:51 to 3:04 of Take the Time truly is a bit shocking (by the way, that was made by purpose, not by a failure in the middle of his performance - as I thought at first). But I apreciate immensely all the effort James puts in the live performances and I'm really happy that he's still the vocalist of the band.
But... I must say I don't like the pre-recorded backing vocals. I would prefer only James's voice even with its present limitations or, if JP/JR/MM can do some quality backing vocals LIVE, then do it LIVE. I'm not against the use of the click track to enhance the visual presentation of the show, but I'm almost totally against the pre-recorded backing tracks (In DT's case, I think it would be OK just for those movie/robotic voices or some eletronic effects - like in the beginning of Metropolis - or some orchestration).


Before MP and JP started singing backing vocals, when they would play Take The Time, the audience would sing the lyrics "It's time to take the time". And on the NYC 93 bootleg, You don't hear no lyrics or anyone singing at all.



Or when the Galactic Cowboys opened, they ran on stage and sang that part...and then ran off....until it was time to sing it again.  :lol
To those who dig demos.... how often do you listen to them? I don't think I've cared about a demo of any album/song ever, but even if I did, it would be something I would listen to once out of curiosity. I can't imagine I would revisit it with any regularity to be something worth purchasing.

I listened to the I&W, WDADU, and FII demos quite a bit because they were all very different in many respects. I never listen to the Awake or ToT demos. Very similar to the final product.
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Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 27, 2021, 02:30:37 PM
I never listen to the Awake or ToT demos. Very similar to the final product.
Well at least The Mirror and CiaW both have some arrangement variations to make them a bit more interesting, but I know what you're saying. Wish there was a second disc included that had stuff like KM's original pre-band demos of SDVest (I know it's out there, but not in the greatest quality) and 6:00, and if I'm not mistaken, JP brought in IF fairly complete which would be cool to hear. Same for any other DT songs that were brought in pretty complete but were then Dream Theater-ized (I think AD and Surrounded both fall into that category, too).
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Post by: LTE777 on June 30, 2021, 05:42:56 AM
Say what you want about JLBs vocals but I absolutely LOVE the version and his phrasing in Another Day on the LNF:I&W version and prefer it over the original
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 30, 2021, 11:35:37 AM
Say what you want about JLBs vocals but I absolutely LOVE the version and his phrasing in Another Day on the LNF:I&W version and prefer it over the original

I'm getting there! I loved his rendition so much of that song that I was psyched to hear the rest of the album and how he changed the melodies. It seems like after Take the Time, the modifications were a bit more minimal so in that regard I was a tad disappointed (ironic that I'm disappointed he didn't change them more!) but overall I love the album so much more than I thought I would.

Side note: When I saw this tour, I went home feeling like that was probably the most fun Dream Theater show I had ever seen, despite I&W being a mid tier album in my book.
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Post by: Peter Mc on June 30, 2021, 01:33:43 PM
I agree, one of the best DT shows I ever attended.  By the way, I thought people said JLB was ropey on this show.  Sounds pretty good to me, no complaints at all.  Decent release although I do wish we got the whole show or at least ACOS.
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 30, 2021, 04:47:41 PM
I agree, one of the best DT shows I ever attended.  By the way, I thought people said JLB was ropey on this show.  Sounds pretty good to me, no complaints at all.  Decent release although I do wish we got the whole show or at least ACOS.

I wonder how much if any was fixed up in the studio. I think I detect a line or two in Another Day which may be overdubbed but that's it so far.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Wim Kruithof on July 01, 2021, 12:26:51 PM
on iTunes I see thereís a Train of Thought cominí out as well. Does anyone knows how many of these Archive-vinyls will be released? There are three in a row nowÖ
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on July 02, 2021, 03:31:52 AM
Nobody knows for sure but if they're releasing  all the old Ytsejam Records catalog then we're looking at a couple dozen at a rate of one per month.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Max Kuehnau on July 02, 2021, 04:25:54 AM
Nobody knows for sure but if they're releasing  all the old Ytsejam Records catalog then we're looking at a couple dozen at a rate of one per month.
they are, and some newly discovered (or previously unreleased) ones (like I/W 2.0 at Budokan in 2017)
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Post by: evilasiojr on July 02, 2021, 06:03:23 AM
Forsaken from the next LNF release is already on Spotify

https://open.spotify.com/track/3eGVd2emOggjkEnE6ThD3Y?si=LGguFV8ETEuvmeMKJZHCng&utm_source=copy-link&dl_branch=1
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Post by: Wim Kruithof on July 02, 2021, 11:18:28 AM
that means there could be 15 vinyls coming out? Unbelievable, I didínt see this cominí, but what a present it is. ThanksÖ
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Post by: TheRich13 on July 04, 2021, 12:58:16 PM
I preordered all 3 vinyl releases and didnít receive any of them yet ? Anyone know the release dates or approximately when I should expect them ?
Thanks !
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Post by: Max Kuehnau on July 04, 2021, 01:18:23 PM
that means there could be 15 vinyls coming out? Unbelievable, I didínt see this cominí, but what a present it is. ThanksÖ
More than 15 (albums) I'd guess, because remember, there will be some things that were previously unreleased (i.e. not previously on YtseJam Records). I/W 2.0 at Budokan being one of them.
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Post by: sylentman on July 04, 2021, 08:51:02 PM
I preordered all 3 vinyl releases and didnít receive any of them yet ? Anyone know the release dates or approximately when I should expect them ?
Thanks !

Hello! If correct the IAW Japan 2017 was released some days ago (end of June), and depending where you ordered may not have shipped yet.
The ADTOE SBD one should be released around 20 July, and the TOT Demos around 20th August (again depending on version or where ordered may be shipped around that date or later).

In Amazon you can see Release dates i think.

Hope that helps :)
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Post by: TheRich13 on July 05, 2021, 12:02:59 AM
Yes that sure does help ! Thanks brother!! Unfortunately I found out that the street date for the I & W 2017 is 9/24/21 because I ordered the cobalt blue vinyl release from Revolver !!! Ugh !Ö
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Post by: noxon on July 05, 2021, 03:42:28 AM
As far as I know, most of what was released om Ytsejam will be rereleased, but I doubt everything on the CDs will be on vinyl... Like, for the SFAM making of, I would expect the alternate mix to be on Vinyl, but I wouldn't expect the making of CD to be...
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Post by: Wim Kruithof on July 05, 2021, 06:57:01 AM
Yes that sure does help ! Thanks brother!! Unfortunately I found out that the street date for the I & W 2017 is 9/24/21 because I ordered the cobalt blue vinyl release from Revolver !!! Ugh !Ö

I got the blue vinyl version as well and recieved it a week ago. Too bad you're still waiting. I listened to it a couple of times, it is a beautiful recording, althought JLB is'nt coming close to what he performed back on the studioalbum. I remember the Mancini solo when they came here in Holland, it was wonderful. But, to me, it's a shame they did'nt involve a Change of Seasons to it as bonus material. Originally it was ment to be a double-album release, with a Change of Seasons included. Would be nice if they went back to the original plan with this live release. Even if they had to dig deep in the vault to find an edition that fits in production with this Budokan release.
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Post by: The Curious Orange on July 05, 2021, 07:28:32 AM
Struggling to see how this wasn't a double-album release. DT really don't know what their fans want anymore, this should have been released at the time, it's head and shoulders above Distant Memories.
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on July 05, 2021, 08:30:05 AM
Here's the elephant in the room: Do you think with the thawing of relations between Portnoy and Petrucci that Portnoy may cooperate with future releases such as The Making of 6DOIT?

I hate to even get that discussion or rumors started but it seems more than a coincidence that they are finally doing this right after Portnoy did drums for Petrucci on his solo album and the LTE reunion.

Edit: In case you haven't kept up with it over the years, Portnoy was responsible for archiving all of demos, rehearsals, etc. Ytsejam Records seemed to be primarily his main interest, with the releases being mostly compiled by him with Petrucci handling the business aspect. When the split happened, Ytsejam Records remained property of Dream Theater but Portnoy kept the archive. Therefore, unless there was some type of cooperation, Portnoy couldn't release anything but the tapes remained his personal property so Petrucci couldn't release anything either.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: noxon on July 05, 2021, 11:02:23 AM
I think it all depends on the success of the series in itself, what will happen in the future. ie: if you want more stuff, buy all the stuff that becomes available :P
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Post by: gzarruk on July 05, 2021, 11:52:24 AM
I think it all depends on the success of the series in itself, what will happen in the future. ie: if you want more stuff, buy all the stuff that becomes available :P

I think this is why they'd benefit, imo, from balancing more between stuff never released before (i.e. TA live, D/T demos, 30th anniversary tour set, etc.) and the previously released Ytse Jam stuff, which had some stuff that wouldn't be as appealing to the 2021/2022 fanbase, specially with a new studio album coming in the next few months.

Also, from a marketing standpoint, releasing one a month isn't the smartest move either, as they'll just blur because there's so much stuff coming out that people loose track of it. But I do get why they're doing monthly releases, as they have such a big catalog of stuff they want to release.
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on July 05, 2021, 03:06:10 PM
I think it all depends on the success of the series in itself, what will happen in the future. ie: if you want more stuff, buy all the stuff that becomes available :P

I think this is why they'd benefit, imo, from balancing more between stuff never released before (i.e. TA live, D/T demos, 30th anniversary tour set, etc.) and the previously released Ytse Jam stuff,

Yup. Getting the first two but not so sure about ToT since I already have the ytsejam releases and the prospect of the only cool thing about the newer version being that it is supposedly remastered won't really encourage me to get that or the other releases I already have.
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 06, 2021, 12:52:42 PM
Here's the elephant in the room: Do you think with the thawing of relations between Portnoy and Petrucci that Portnoy may cooperate with future releases such as The Making of 6DOIT?

I hate to even get that discussion or rumors started but it seems more than a coincidence that they are finally doing this right after Portnoy did drums for Petrucci on his solo album and the LTE reunion.

Edit: In case you haven't kept up with it over the years, Portnoy was responsible for archiving all of demos, rehearsals, etc. Ytsejam Records seemed to be primarily his main interest, with the releases being mostly compiled by him with Petrucci handling the business aspect. When the split happened, Ytsejam Records remained property of Dream Theater but Portnoy kept the archive. Therefore, unless there was some type of cooperation, Portnoy couldn't release anything but the tapes remained his personal property so Petrucci couldn't release anything either.


I think it would be kind of weird if Portnoy was too heavily involved. It's just cleaner for everyone if he stays out of the picture. Maybe Petrucci could coordinate with him once in a while or something, but I'd be surprised if he was more involved than that.
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Post by: Peter Mc on July 06, 2021, 02:27:49 PM
I think it would just be too much hassle as Portnoy would  then (quite rightly) want his cut of any sales of that stuff so youíd have to get the lawyers involved.  Unless he returns to the band, I donít see Portnoy being involved in this.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: ReaperKK on July 06, 2021, 06:24:50 PM
Here's the elephant in the room: Do you think with the thawing of relations between Portnoy and Petrucci that Portnoy may cooperate with future releases such as The Making of 6DOIT?

I hate to even get that discussion or rumors started but it seems more than a coincidence that they are finally doing this right after Portnoy did drums for Petrucci on his solo album and the LTE reunion.

Edit: In case you haven't kept up with it over the years, Portnoy was responsible for archiving all of demos, rehearsals, etc. Ytsejam Records seemed to be primarily his main interest, with the releases being mostly compiled by him with Petrucci handling the business aspect. When the split happened, Ytsejam Records remained property of Dream Theater but Portnoy kept the archive. Therefore, unless there was some type of cooperation, Portnoy couldn't release anything but the tapes remained his personal property so Petrucci couldn't release anything either.


I think it would be kind of weird if Portnoy was too heavily involved. It's just cleaner for everyone if he stays out of the picture. Maybe Petrucci could coordinate with him once in a while or something, but I'd be surprised if he was more involved than that.

I actually think Portnoy could have a hand in getting some pre-MM material for the archives. I mean he was in the band for a long period of time and it'd be great to see some older stuff make it out on vinyl.
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Post by: bosk1 on July 06, 2021, 06:25:37 PM
I think it would just be too much hassle as Portnoy would  then (quite rightly) want his cut of any sales of that stuff so youíd have to get the lawyers involved.  Unless he returns to the band, I donít see Portnoy being involved in this.

Honestly, I don't think that is difficult at all.  He should be entitled to a percentage.  It is just a matter of agreeing on what the percentage should be.  At minimum, he gets 1/5 (minus expenses), as he was 1/5 of the band membership.  He may feel he is entitled to more than that since he is the one who archived everything.  But even so, it is just a matter of him and the band agreeing to a number.  I don't see that really being too much of an issue.
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Post by: gzarruk on July 06, 2021, 08:03:52 PM
Besides, he wouldn't pass the opportunity to self-promote and talk about how HE helped get the LNFA up and running :lol
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Setlist Scotty on July 06, 2021, 08:28:06 PM
I think it would just be too much hassle as Portnoy would  then (quite rightly) want his cut of any sales of that stuff so youíd have to get the lawyers involved.  Unless he returns to the band, I donít see Portnoy being involved in this.
Honestly, I don't think that is difficult at all.  He should be entitled to a percentage.  It is just a matter of agreeing on what the percentage should be.  At minimum, he gets 1/5 (minus expenses), as he was 1/5 of the band membership.  He may feel he is entitled to more than that since he is the one who archived everything.  But even so, it is just a matter of him and the band agreeing to a number.  I don't see that really being too much of an issue.
Agreed. When YJR was active, I know the previous band members got their cut of the releases, too, although I don't know what the percentage was. When speaking about Christ Collins around the time I did the interview with Chris, MP specifically had mentioned something to me about getting Chris his cut for the Majesty demos.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: gzarruk on July 06, 2021, 09:31:35 PM
I think it would just be too much hassle as Portnoy would  then (quite rightly) want his cut of any sales of that stuff so youíd have to get the lawyers involved.  Unless he returns to the band, I donít see Portnoy being involved in this.
Honestly, I don't think that is difficult at all.  He should be entitled to a percentage.  It is just a matter of agreeing on what the percentage should be.  At minimum, he gets 1/5 (minus expenses), as he was 1/5 of the band membership.  He may feel he is entitled to more than that since he is the one who archived everything.  But even so, it is just a matter of him and the band agreeing to a number.  I don't see that really being too much of an issue.
Agreed. When YJR was active, I know the previous band members got their cut of the releases, too, although I don't know what the percentage was. When speaking about Christ Collins around the time I did the interview with Chris, MP specifically had mentioned something to me about getting Chris his cut for the Majesty demos.

I clearly wasn't around in DT land back then, so had no clue you did an interview with CC. Do you have a link where I could read it? I think Chris is the former DT member that has talked the least about their time together.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Cool Chris on July 06, 2021, 10:02:24 PM
I think Chris is the former DT member that has talked the least about their time together.

Are you sure that honor doesn't to KM?  :lol 
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: gzarruk on July 06, 2021, 10:40:40 PM
I think Chris is the former DT member that has talked the least about their time together.

Are you sure that honor doesn't to KM?  :lol

Wait, Kevin was in the band? :rollin
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Post by: pg1067 on July 07, 2021, 09:44:47 AM
I think Chris is the former DT member that has talked the least about their time together.

Chris Collins was never a member of DT (yeah, I know, semantics, but still).
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: gzarruk on July 07, 2021, 11:11:08 AM
I think Chris is the former DT member that has talked the least about their time together.

Chris Collins was never a member of DT (yeah, I know, semantics, but still).

I know what you mean (Majesty, not DT), but at least he was fully acknowledged as a former DT member for the Score documentary, unlike Steve Stone who they pretended to never have existed :lol (I do that too :P)
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Post by: Wim Kruithof on July 07, 2021, 11:14:14 AM
it's head and shoulders above Distant Memories.

I can't see how this is head & shoulders above Distant Memories. That is, both in production and performance, far better than this Bodukan Images & Words, in my opinion. Especially LaBrie.
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Post by: bosk1 on July 07, 2021, 11:17:22 AM
I think Chris is the former DT member that has talked the least about their time together.

Chris Collins was never a member of DT (yeah, I know, semantics, but still).

I know what you mean (Majesty, not DT), but at least he was fully acknowledged as a former DT member for the Score documentary, unlike Steve Stone who they pretended to never have existed :lol (I do that too :P)

Well, to be fair, Stone only did one gig, and it was clear it wasn't a good fit.  Collins was the singer at the inception of the band, and they wrote and demoed songs with him.  That's very different, IMO.
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Post by: pg1067 on July 07, 2021, 11:35:11 AM
I think Chris is the former DT member that has talked the least about their time together.

Chris Collins was never a member of DT (yeah, I know, semantics, but still).

I know what you mean (Majesty, not DT), but at least he was fully acknowledged as a former DT member for the Score documentary, unlike Steve Stone who they pretended to never have existed :lol (I do that too :P)

Well, to be fair, Stone only did one gig, and it was clear it wasn't a good fit.  Collins was the singer at the inception of the band, and they wrote and demoed songs with him.  That's very different, IMO.

True, but I always look at these situations from the first official release.  I don't really look at Collins as a member of DT anymore than I look at Jeff Jones as having been a member of Rush, but I know others view it differently.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: nikatapi on July 08, 2021, 01:52:42 AM
I know what i'll say is harsh, but i can't see the whole archives thing other than as a bad cash-grab from the band, especially seeing the vinyl prices.
The whole purpose of this was to give fans some obscure releases, stuff that wasn't available before and so on.

Now this is just a re-release of recent stuff which in part was also available (for free, like the happy holidays release), with a quick photoshopped cover which could be done in 10 minutes.

I'm not really fond of the way they've been handling it to be honest, and i won't be getting any release until something that hasn't existed (in any format) is released.

Just seems lazy from my point of view at this moment.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Stadler on July 08, 2021, 06:52:05 AM
For me, these efforts are welcome, but they are a bummer of sorts in that without the main label involvement of a "major" release, it's too easy to see the sausage making.   Rights releases, shared rights... as much as anyone I understand those exist, but that doesn't mean that as a fan I'm not feeling a little wistful about what might be as opposed to what is (and I'm not at all interested in vinyl).
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Wim Kruithof on July 08, 2021, 07:11:28 AM
(and I'm not at all interested in vinyl).

To me, I am especially interested in vinyl. Bought the first LNF Archive, pre-orderd the second one and for sure I'll buy the Train of Thought demo release. I on the other hand, am not interested in bootlegs. I've got many vinyls already but they're all official releases from Dream Theater. Therefore, this serie of LNF Archives is like a gift to me.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Stadler on July 08, 2021, 07:17:38 AM
That's cool that this is of interest to you.  I didn't mean to be dismissive with what I said; I meant it more to acknowledge that I knew the vinyl was new and something different, and that I was talking about the content not the medium.  I imagine for a vinyl loving DT fan, this is a treasure trove.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Wim Kruithof on July 08, 2021, 07:25:30 AM
thanks, but I figured you ment it possitive already.

But I wonder, are there bootlegs that Dream Theater considered to be official releases? That Dream Theater were involved with, in the production process?
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: ZirconBlue on July 08, 2021, 08:08:24 AM


thanks, but I figured you ment it possitive already.

But I wonder, are there bootlegs that Dream Theater considered to be official releases? That Dream Theater were involved with, in the production process?



Well, there's the Official Bootlegs series, previously released by Ytsejam Records, which are apparently going to be re-released in this LNF Archives series.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: brents319 on July 12, 2021, 08:56:59 AM
I would love to hear a studio version of Master of Puppets.  I am confident it doesn't exist but, that would be super cool.

And, I think it would be interesting to hear remixes/alternate versions of anything in the last 15 years or so.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 12, 2021, 09:24:16 AM
It's both amazing and sad how much my relationship with physical media has changed. Fifteen years ago, when I was a youngling just getting into the band, the thought of a new and improved Ytse Jam Records would have sent me over the moon. I would be stealing my parents' credit cards and filling my shopping cart this very moment. Unfortunately, I've been pulled into the streaming world more and more. Just the other day, I streamed the entirety of Opeth's Damnation over my phone at the touch of a button, and it was amazing lossless quality too. I will definitely be buying some stuff to support the band, but I probably won't be buying as much as I once would have, especially since a lot of it will be on Apple Music.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Stadler on July 12, 2021, 11:31:48 AM
Here's a dumb question; is there a central site with all the releases (so far) in the LNFA catalogue? There are the three vinyl releases (autographed; the picture of Petrooch down at the bottom left is awesome beyond words) and there's a link to a page that has a bunch of retailers listed, but how's one to know what the complete list is, if, say, they were a completist of sorts? 

Is it only the three right now?
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: noxon on July 12, 2021, 11:50:22 AM
https://lostnotforgottenarchives.dreamtheater.net/
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Stadler on July 12, 2021, 02:02:32 PM
https://lostnotforgottenarchives.dreamtheater.net/

Yes, but that's just the vinyl. 
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: pg1067 on July 12, 2021, 03:13:11 PM
https://lostnotforgottenarchives.dreamtheater.net/

Yes, but that's just the vinyl.

Exactly.  It says, "This website will be the exclusive retailer for autographed, limited edition vinyl."  It then provides a link "[f]or a full list of available retail options, including CD and standard edition vinyl."  However, when you click that link, it merely takes you to a page with links to a bunch of music services (along with a link that goes back to the page for which Noxon provided a link), and almost none of those services seem to have all three releases readily available.  For example, I clicked the "Rough Trade" link, and the only thing DT related was a 12" single of Pull Me Under.  The (first) YouTube link is just a link to a video for PMU.  Spotify and the second YouTube link are streaming (as are a few others, I expect).

This link has all three offerings (and some other things):  https://centurymedia.store/dept/dream-theater?cp=102832_103046_104294

Once they get all of the old YJR catalog up, they really need a one-stop shop, rather than making folks hunt around.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 12, 2021, 03:30:20 PM
https://lostnotforgottenarchives.dreamtheater.net/

Yes, but that's just the vinyl.

Exactly.  It says, "This website will be the exclusive retailer for autographed, limited edition vinyl."  It then provides a link "[f]or a full list of available retail options, including CD and standard edition vinyl."  However, when you click that link, it merely takes you to a page with links to a bunch of music services (along with a link that goes back to the page for which Noxon provided a link), and almost none of those services seem to have all three releases readily available.  For example, I clicked the "Rough Trade" link, and the only thing DT related was a 12" single of Pull Me Under.  The (first) YouTube link is just a link to a video for PMU.  Spotify and the second YouTube link are streaming (as are a few others, I expect).

This link has all three offerings (and some other things):  https://centurymedia.store/dept/dream-theater?cp=102832_103046_104294

Once they get all of the old YJR catalog up, they really need a one-stop shop, rather than making folks hunt around.

That website and link is the one-stop shop. It's not that hard to navigate. Having the Century Media link, CMStoreUS, be the first "Go To" Link should be enough for people to see that the Century Media website is the place to get all 3 versions of the releases.

Ytsejam Records made a deal with Inside Out Records to release physical versions of these Lost Not Forgotten Archive releases. Century Media owns Inside Out. It is fitting that Century Media is the main place where all 3 versions are sold.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: pg1067 on July 12, 2021, 04:13:22 PM
That website and link is the one-stop shop. It's not that hard to navigate. Having the Century Media link, CMStoreUS, be the first "Go To" Link should be enough for people to see that the Century Media website is the place to get all 3 versions of the releases.

The CM link is third on the list, and I had no idea that "CMSTOREUS" was something official (especially when it's followed by one that says, "OFFICIAL STORE"), so I tried about five others before trying "CMSTOREUS."  I'd also never heard of Century Media before now.

Having a link that takes you to a page with 12 links is cumbersome, and folks who may only be moderately interested aren't going to spend time trying to find the right one.  Why not say, "All of the LNF releases are available at the Century Media store" (with link)?  It's pretty simple.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 12, 2021, 04:23:11 PM
That website and link is the one-stop shop. It's not that hard to navigate. Having the Century Media link, CMStoreUS, be the first "Go To" Link should be enough for people to see that the Century Media website is the place to get all 3 versions of the releases.

The CM link is third on the list, and I had no idea that "CMSTOREUS" was something official (especially when it's followed by one that says, "OFFICIAL STORE"), so I tried about five others before trying "CMSTOREUS."  I'd also never heard of Century Media before now.

Having a link that takes you to a page with 12 links is cumbersome, and folks who may only be moderately interested aren't going to spend time trying to find the right one.  Why not say, "All of the LNF releases are available at the Century Media store" (with link)?  It's pretty simple.

I get why they have that link of the "Official Store" in the list of links. As other places can easily use that link to link their audience to the many places where you can hear or buy the releases. Having the Official Store in that list lets those who read that other source to know there is an Official Store, where they will find that it's the official place for the vinyls, and to look at the list they just looked at for the cd releases.

When you are on that link website, Youtube and Spotify are at the top as people utilize these options for listening. The first option to buy a physical product is the CM link. After that are the other sites that offer other versions of the releases.

It only took me like 3 seconds to click that link and then click the 3rd CMstore link that says on it's tab "Go To". I am not going to click Youtube or Spotify as on their tab it says "Listen" and lets me know that I won't be able to "buy" the release.

I would find it amazing if someone found it so cumbersome they didn't want to waste 3 seconds out their precious time to look for this link.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: Cool Chris on July 12, 2021, 07:25:55 PM
Ok, so.... minor nitpick about that site... could they not have figured out how to put the whole title of each product on the main page, instead of posting listings such as below, so I have to click on each one to see exactly what it is?

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DREAM THEATER - LOST NOT FORGOTTEN ARCHIVES: A DRAMA...
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: adastra on July 12, 2021, 11:23:18 PM
I got my Images and Words like in Japan last friday, but oddly enough, I also received the A Dramatic Tour of Events - Select Board Mixes too!
I thought that it would be released 23.7.2021.  Even the seller (Levykauppa X, Finland),  says that it will be released on that date.
Well, I donīt mind, haha.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: SebastiŠn Pratesi on July 13, 2021, 05:46:02 AM
Someone on Reddit accidentally found a hint that the Master Of Puppets cover album might be released soon. https://www.reddit.com/r/Dreamtheater/comments/oie6bw/weird_thing_came_up_when_i_tried_to_update_the/

I got my Images and Words like in Japan last friday, but oddly enough, I also received the A Dramatic Tour of Events - Select Board Mixes too!
I thought that it would be released 23.7.2021.  Even the seller (Levykauppa X, Finland),  says that it will be released on that date.
Well, I donīt mind, haha.
Cool! How do they sound?
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: devieira73 on July 13, 2021, 08:22:36 AM
Someone on Reddit accidentally found a hint that the Master Of Puppets cover album might be released soon. https://www.reddit.com/r/Dreamtheater/comments/oie6bw/weird_thing_came_up_when_i_tried_to_update_the/

Maybe DT will do the following pattern to release the LNFA titles: live, live, demo and covers? I think this makes sense, since the majority of the material is from live recordings.
Anyway, it would be interesting to upload the other official bootlegs on windows media player and see what happens.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: ZirconBlue on July 13, 2021, 08:34:11 AM
FWIW Laser's Edge (www.lasercd.com) appears to be carrying all the different versions.
Title: Re: Lost Not Forgotten Archives Wishlist
Post by: bosk1 on July 13, 2021, 09:03:59 AM
Big thank you to Skeever for starting this thread in the first place.  Since the actual release information is buried in the thread, and since a lot of it (especially where to buy) is somewhat confusing, I started a new thread where I will keep track of the releases in the first post.  To clarify:  There is nothing wrong with this thread at all.  I am only staring a new one to make it easier for people to find the info they need on what is released and where to find it.

New thread here:  https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56636.0

Feel free to copy over and continue any discussion that anyone feels is relevant or important.