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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: KevShmev on January 29, 2021, 03:25:49 PM
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...that Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence was released.
First off, I can't believe it's now been that long, and second, I will need to give it a fresh spin this weekend. It's been a while.
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I can believe it. 6D was the second album cycle I got to experience since becoming a fan 4 years before and 10 days after 6D was released, I got to attend my second DT show. The excitement was real.
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I was a casual fan when this came out. A friend had illegally got the whole album before it's release and we listened to a bit but not too closely. He was also telling me about DT's first vocalist who was horrible and played a bit for me. He was pretty wrong about that but whatever.
I didn't bother getting 6DOIT until after I got Train of Thought the day it was released and really loved disc 2 but couldn't get into disc 1. Fast forward five years, I barely ever listen to disc 2 and find it pretty boring with only a few highlights. Disc 1, if taken on its own, would be Top 5 DT for me at this point. Pretty much flawless.
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I remember buying this album and not really knowing what to think at first. It was so different, and dense, that I was having some difficulty with it. Yet, later in the Spring, I think it was toward the end of April, I put disc one in the car stereo one Sunday morning on my way to the golf course. As I was pulling into the parking lot, Misunderstood came on and something in my brain just opened up. I sat there in the car cemented to the seat as the imagery of the music washed over me. I ended up turning around and going home to spend the rest of the afternoon with my headphones on and my eyes closed.
Still my favorite album to this day.
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January 2002, eh?
I had just been admitted to practice law less than two months earlier, and my wife and I were expecting our first child in a few months.
I don't have any specific recollection of the release of SDOIT. I wasn't on any relevant internet groups, so I can't recall how I learned about the album (I had long since stopped listening to music on the radio, and there was no one at the time playing stuff like DT anyway). I had, for reasons I can't recall, missed both the FII and SFAM tours. My Amazon order history goes back to March 2002, and SDOIT is not in there.
I can always recall listening to SDOIT (primarily disc 2) on my long commute from West Los Angeles to Long Beach and, for whatever reason, I have a very specific recollection of listening to it on a particular route home (going over the two bridges at the Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach).
I really didn't care for disc 1 at the time. I still prefer disc 2, but I eventually warmed up to the first three songs on disc 1 (Blind Faith in particular).
Because we had a newborn at home, I missed the SDOIT tour, so I've never seen SDOIT in its entirety, so I'm somewhat hoping they'll play it on the tour for DT15.
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I remember getting a leaked copy in November 2001 and I played the shit out of it prior to the NYC BB Kings show in January 2002. The show was a week or two before the albums release but the entire crowd seemed to know the 3 yet-to-be-released 6 Degrees songs by heart already and I swear Petrucci looked a little pissed that fans were singing along to those songs. Great album and great tour as well. I have fond memories of me and my friends ditching high school to just drive around listening to this and Bridge Across Forever.
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Huh, I didn't know this album came out in the month of January. I remember the weather being warmer when I bought it. I must've gotten it in the spring or early summer of that year. I had become a fan of the band in 2001.
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19 years is crazy.
It's still one DT's most-modern sounding albums. One of my all-time favorites.
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I kinda checked out on DT, music, and, well, a lot of life in the late 90s. When I was getting back on track (and without being on the internet) I was browsing at the music store and saw DT had two new (to me) albums out, SFaM and 6D. I was pretty disappointed in FII after loving I&W and Awake, but decided they were worth the buy. Understatement of the year. Damn if these two albums didn't restore my love for the band. But who the heck is this new guy? I had never heard of Jordan before.
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I got it the day it came out.
I went home,i put the cd in my player,my headphones on and ithen..Glass Prison :omg: :metal :hefdaddy
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I remember so clearly the day I got it, blasting Glass Prison in my room and Blind Faith and the other great songs..It took me days to really consume it and I loved it! After SFAM it was the real new DT album back then in the sense that they had their come back with the concept album, now it was the time to really take the music wherever they wanted. Also it was the second time I saw them live! So this album and that moment in time is so nostalgic to me!
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One of my biggest 'regrets' about DT is how I haven't been able to get in to this album. It often seems to be considered one of the best 3 or 4 by most, certainly on here, but it has never been close to one of my favourites for some reason. I also adore the albums either side of it, which makes the situation more annoying!
It's not like I dislike it or anything, but The Glass Prison is the only song I count among one of my favourites by the band.
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I remember getting it and then thinking someone swapped disc 2 with Sesame Street on ice. Eventually, it became my #1 fave although it reminds me of my ex wife because we were together traveling about Florida listening to it together. Bitch
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The band should celebrate the 20th anniversary of it next year!
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The band should celebrate the 20th anniversary of it next year!
Please. No. (and I think Scotty may agree with me on this)
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I wasn't a fan when it was released (I got into them around 2007). It's in my "holy trinity" of DT albums, I rank it as #3 after I&W and SFAM.
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The band should celebrate the 20th anniversary of it next year!
Please. No. (and I think Scotty may agree with me on this)
Gods, no.
Just play The Glass Prison acknowledging it's the 20th year of the album and be done with it.
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The band should celebrate the 20th anniversary of it next year!
I'm sure they will acknowledge it. But not sure what a "celebration" of it would look like. Personally, even though it is my favorite DT album, I wouldn't want a whole set dedicated to it, or for them to play the entire Six Degrees (song). But I would not be surprised or disappointed if they dedicated part of their set to a Six Degrees suite like they did for Awake and Scenes on the Along for the Ride tour. Maybe TGP, Misunderstood, and a couple of parts from Six Degrees.
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The band should celebrate the 20th anniversary of it next year!
I'm sure they will acknowledge it. But not sure what a "celebration" of it would look like. Personally, even though it is my favorite DT album, I wouldn't want a whole set dedicated to it, or for them to play the entire Six Degrees (song). But I would not be surprised or disappointed if they dedicated part of their set to a Six Degrees suite like they did for Awake and Scenes on the Along for the Ride tour. Maybe TGP, Misunderstood, and a couple of parts from Six Degrees.
Seems to be the kind of thing they're doing though.
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The story about how I found out about this album is hilarious.
It was 2005 and I was 15 or 16 years old, having discovered DT the year before courtesy of raiding my brother's CD collection whilst he was away at uni. For the longest time, I had assumed that Train of Thought was the next album after Scenes, because it was unfathomable to me that such a high-profile band would release an album sooner than 3 or 4 years after the last one. Imagine my surprise when one fine summer's evening, I found this album in my brother's collection... and discovered that not only was there an album between Scenes and Train of Thought, two albums I had already listened the hell out of and loved, but the fact that this other album was a double disc album... ;D
Then I actually listened to it. I think you guys can probably work out the rest ;D
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I remember 6 D's was at my house when I got home from work. I think I asked my wife to go pick it up.
I remember taking my discman into the bathroom and sitting there listening to The Glass Prison for the first time. I was blown away by it. I didn't think DT had a song in them that was that heavy. I literally listened to it a second time before moving on.
I thought Disc 1 was amazing. Still do, though TGP really hasn't aged all that well.
Disc 2, upon first listen, I thought it was an enormous waste of space. Some nice moments throughout but nothing that made me ever go Holy Shit!
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I've got to know DT for real about 10 years ago, and listened to 6DOIT for the first time the next year, 2012. It was an instant catch, such a great and remarkable album. 19 years ago I was just 7 years old :rollin wish I could've been into DT and prog music already :lol
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I remember buying this in store with great excitement. It may have been the first DT album since becoming a fan that I was able to wait until the release date and then go and buy.
I was blown away by disc 1. I didn't like disc 2 at all though. It took a long time for me to appreciate it.
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My first memories of hearing the album were listening to it over the phone because old-school forumer Bogie managed to get a copy of the album ahead of time. Don't think he played disc 2 at the time, but I think he played all of the first disc, and immediately TGD and especially Disappear stood out as early favorites. While my feelings on TGD have tapered off a bit over time (I still like it), Disappear still remains a top-10 DT song for me.
The band should celebrate the 20th anniversary of it next year!
Please. No. (and I think Scotty may agree with me on this)
Yeah - no more complete album celebrations, please. As much as I love the album (in particular the first disc), I don't want to see them fall into the same trap that Yes has, playing one or more albums in their entirety on every tour. While great once and a while as an exception, it gets old if done all the time. And DT's done it a lot since MM's been in the band.
2014 – second half of Awake and a suite of SFaM tracks
2016 – all of TA
2017 – all of IaW
2019-20 – all of SFaM
Given their extensive catalog and all the stuff that hasn't been performed for many years, it would be nice to see them do a tour with a traditional setlist that contains a mix of stuff from their whole catalog along with a decent helping of material from their new album and even a rarity or two for the old school diehards.
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Yeah - no more complete album celebrations, please. As much as I love the album (in particular the first disc), I don't want to see them fall into the same trap that Yes has, playing one or more albums in their entirety on every tour. While great once and a while as an exception, it gets old if done all the time. And DT's done it a lot since MM's been in the band.
2014 – second half of Awake and a suite of SFaM tracks
2016 – all of TA
2017 – all of IaW
2019-20 – all of SFaM
TA doesn't count. It was the current tour. But I'm with you on rehashing old albums.
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Yeah - no more complete album celebrations, please. As much as I love the album (in particular the first disc), I don't want to see them fall into the same trap that Yes has, playing one or more albums in their entirety on every tour. While great once and a while as an exception, it gets old if done all the time. And DT's done it a lot since MM's been in the band.
2014 – second half of Awake and a suite of SFaM tracks
2016 – all of TA
2017 – all of IaW
2019-20 – all of SFaM
TA doesn't count. It was the current tour. But I'm with you on rehashing old albums.
It still counts because it was a full album - new or not. :P
Don't get me wrong, I get why they performed the whole thing as they did, but it wasn't mandatory that they do. They could've done a compacted version for the first set and a second set and encore of older material. But they chose to play the whole thing. So IMO it counts.
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I remember getting a leaked copy in November 2001 and I played the shit out of it prior to the NYC BB Kings show in January 2002. The show was a week or two before the albums release but the entire crowd seemed to know the 3 yet-to-be-released 6 Degrees songs by heart already and I swear Petrucci looked a little pissed that fans were singing along to those songs. Great album and great tour as well. I have fond memories of me and my friends ditching high school to just drive around listening to this and Bridge Across Forever.
This was me. I had the 2CD advanced copy for about month before the BB Kings show. Remember waiting outside in the sleet and running into friends who walked by us on their way out of the city. Those two Beacon shows in March of that year are two of my favorite Dream Theater shows ever. That BB Kings show was a nice gift.
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The band should celebrate the 20th anniversary of it next year!
I'd love that as much as I see no chance of this happening.
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This was the first DT album I was able to pick up on release day (though I was already a pretty big fan when SFAM came out, I couldn’t get a copy in the town where I lived until a little while after it came out). I was in college and didn’t have a car. A friend with a car took me to pick it up, knowing what a big fan I was. We all flipped out when the sirens kicked in on The Glass Prison.
At the time I was pretty excited by it, but the metal parts were a bit much for me and it didn’t hold up all that well past the initial impressions. I do think Blind Faith is a great song, and Solitary Soul remains a favorite. I’ve always thought the ending of Losing Time was a real let down. The verse is cool and I thought it was going to go into a nice little verse/chorus/verse with a big guitar solo to end or something. Instead it goes into that cheesy recap of all the themes in a Sesame Street “what did we learn today” type of way to end it (they did the same thing on Octavarium).
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The band should celebrate the 20th anniversary of it next year!
I'd love that as much as I see no chance of this happening.
I’d be down for them play a “best of” similar to what they did with Awake during the Along for the Ride Tour- been a loooong time since they busted out a lot of these songs
Glass Prison
Blind Faith
About to Crash
Goodnight Kiss
Solitary Shell
About to Crash Reprise
The rest I could take or leave
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I remember getting a leaked copy in November 2001 and I played the shit out of it prior to the NYC BB Kings show in January 2002. The show was a week or two before the albums release but the entire crowd seemed to know the 3 yet-to-be-released 6 Degrees songs by heart already and I swear Petrucci looked a little pissed that fans were singing along to those songs. Great album and great tour as well. I have fond memories of me and my friends ditching high school to just drive around listening to this and Bridge Across Forever.
This was me. I had the 2CD advanced copy for about month before the BB Kings show. Remember waiting outside in the sleet and running into friends who walked by us on their way out of the city. Those two Beacon shows in March of that year are two of my favorite Dream Theater shows ever. That BB Kings show was a nice gift.
That snow was absolutely brutal. I'm down near Philly and it was barely snowing so we didn't wear much beyond hoodies and waited in line for at least 6-8 hours in the freezing sleet/snow. I think we took turns hanging out in Burger King. The long wait paid off as I managed to get to the front of the stage and even got to sing a chorus of Pull Me Under when James put the mic into the crowd. Such an amazing experience for 16 year old me. :metal
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Funny Story !
I was working in a charity (thrift store?) shop in 2009 and I was slowly getting DT albums on CD. The next one I planned to buy was
Six Degrees of inner Turbulence.
One day I was in the shop and someone brings in a boat load of "stuff" (junk he couldnt be bothered taking to the dump essentially) - and lying on top
was 6DOIT on CD. I asked the manager if I could buy it and she said 'just have it :)" . So I got it for nothing. :D
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I remember getting into DT at this time. I was working at McD's and my buddy told me to check out ytse jam (downloaded it through KaZaa) and it had just the drum solo. I thought it was cool and moved on. One day I was bored and I went to DT's site, saw they have a new album which had just come out and it was SDOIT. I downloaded the first track which was TGP and I was floored. Bought the CD the next day and I've been a fan since.
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James, John, Jordan and MP signed my copy of the album (which I'll always keep)
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It was an interesting adjustment going from 6 Degrees of Radio Edits, which I had listened nonstop (when the disc arrived from the fan club well before the album release), to the actual album cuts. Sometimes first impressions are hard to undo. So in an way, those edited versions felt more immediate and correct to me, so by the time I heard the album, it felt like there was a lot of fat on the bone that could have been trimmed. However, if I became familiar with the album version first, it would have been a different story.
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James, John, Jordan and MP signed my copy of the album (which I'll always keep)
That narrows it down. ;-)
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Of course, JM did not sign it. :D
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Of course, JM did not sign it. :D
KM didn't sign my copy of I&W when I met them after the first show I saw. Fortunately, I got him to sign on a subsequent leg.
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Still DT's greatest achievement.
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Misunderstood is so fucking good. It doesn't get enough love.
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Misunderstood is so fucking good. It doesn't get enough love.
Amen to this. 6DOIT is pretty locked in as my 4th favorite DT album - I can't put on the same level as Awake, Scenes or I&W, but it's comfortably ahead of the next tier - and as more times passes, the more I become convinced that Misunderstood is the clear standout from the record, and I mean the whole damn song, long outro and all. It's awesome.
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I got into the band when Six Degrees was the band's most recent album, and The Glass Prison was the first song I heard by the band. Still blows me away to this day. Took me a while to get into the rest of the album but I consider it the band's best album besides IaW and Scenes, tied with Awake, sometimes I think it's the ultimate DT album in a way. Can't believe this album will be 20 years old soon enough. Doesn't feel like it, unlike IaW or Awake in '12/'14. To me, as someone who got into the band after the 90s, those albums feel like they came out in another time, in another world. Six Degrees still feels "modern" whatever that means, more than actual modern DT I might add.
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I got into the band when Six Degrees was the band's most recent album, and The Glass Prison was the first song I heard by the band. Still blows me away to this day. Took me a while to get into the rest of the album but I consider it the band's best album besides IaW and Scenes, tied with Awake, sometimes I think it's the ultimate DT album in a way. Can't believe this album will be 20 years old soon enough. Doesn't feel like it, unlike IaW or Awake in '12/'14. To me, as someone who got into the band after the 90s, those albums feel like they came out in another time, in another world. Six Degrees still feels "modern" whatever that means, more than actual modern DT I might add.
I agree that the first disc might be the most commercial DT has sounded. I thought it fit in with the commercial hard rock/metal of the time (Tool, Creed, etc). FII was supposed to be commercial but didn’t really sound like what was popular in the late 90s to me.
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Took some time for me to understand it, but Six Degrees is DT's best album and possible my all time favorite. I love every second of it.
Actually I am lousy with words. Basically this is me when listening to Six Degrees:
https://youtu.be/G-NXwSLFZfM
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Misunderstood is so fucking good. It doesn't get enough love.
Amen to this. 6DOIT is pretty locked in as my 4th favorite DT album - I can't put on the same level as Awake, Scenes or I&W, but it's comfortably ahead of the next tier - and as more times passes, the more I become convinced that Misunderstood is the clear standout from the record, and I mean the whole damn song, long outro and all. It's awesome.
Hear, hear, :thursday:
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I got into the band when Six Degrees was the band's most recent album, and The Glass Prison was the first song I heard by the band. Still blows me away to this day. Took me a while to get into the rest of the album but I consider it the band's best album besides IaW and Scenes, tied with Awake, sometimes I think it's the ultimate DT album in a way. Can't believe this album will be 20 years old soon enough. Doesn't feel like it, unlike IaW or Awake in '12/'14. To me, as someone who got into the band after the 90s, those albums feel like they came out in another time, in another world. Six Degrees still feels "modern" whatever that means, more than actual modern DT I might add.
I agree that the first disc might be the most commercial DT has sounded. I thought it fit in with the commercial hard rock/metal of the time (Tool, Creed, etc). FII was supposed to be commercial but didn’t really sound like what was popular in the late 90s to me.
Only Misunderstood stands out to me as some attempt at commercial, in that Tool/Creed way, but mostly in the chorus, as that song would never have been on the radio in the early 2000s. Not without an extreme edit. I just meant the sound of the band and the sound of the production, is not dated and sounds like it could have been recorded yesterday unlike their 90s efforts which have (some more than others) production values that give away the time period it was recorded in. Same can be said for any of their albums released from SC onward (Loudness wars, metuuul sound, etc..)
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I got into the band when Six Degrees was the band's most recent album, and The Glass Prison was the first song I heard by the band. Still blows me away to this day. Took me a while to get into the rest of the album but I consider it the band's best album besides IaW and Scenes, tied with Awake, sometimes I think it's the ultimate DT album in a way. Can't believe this album will be 20 years old soon enough. Doesn't feel like it, unlike IaW or Awake in '12/'14. To me, as someone who got into the band after the 90s, those albums feel like they came out in another time, in another world. Six Degrees still feels "modern" whatever that means, more than actual modern DT I might add.
I agree that the first disc might be the most commercial DT has sounded. I thought it fit in with the commercial hard rock/metal of the time (Tool, Creed, etc). FII was supposed to be commercial but didn’t really sound like what was popular in the late 90s to me.
Only Misunderstood stands out to me as some attempt at commercial, in that Tool/Creed way, but mostly in the chorus, as that song would never have been on the radio in the early 2000s. Not without an extreme edit. I just meant the sound of the band and the sound of the production, is not dated and sounds like it could have been recorded yesterday unlike their 90s efforts which have (some more than others) production values that give away the time period it was recorded in. Same can be said for any of their albums released from SC onward (Loudness wars, metuuul sound, etc..)
Oh, I agree totally, was trying to express (poorly) that it is more the sound than the actual songs. Though The Great Debate is a lot like Tool stylistically as well.
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Misunderstood is so fucking good. It doesn't get enough love.
Amen to this. 6DOIT is pretty locked in as my 4th favorite DT album - I can't put on the same level as Awake, Scenes or I&W, but it's comfortably ahead of the next tier - and as more times passes, the more I become convinced that Misunderstood is the clear standout from the record, and I mean the whole damn song, long outro and all. It's awesome.
Cheers to the "Misunderstood" :heart.
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I'll never forget the first time I listened to this album. I had already been a fan of the band since 1992. At the time, I was playing drums in the worship team at my church.
The keyboardist in our band was also a DT fan. The album was released on a night that we were having band practice at our church. He had had time to pick up the album before practice.
After practice was finished and most everyone else left, we played the album through the church PA system. That was fucking loud and awesome. :metal
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I saw them in Boston in February of that same year. I was in the front row of the middle section of the balcony, right above the soundboard guys. To this day it was the best concert I have ever seen. It was An Evening With Dream Theater and they played most of the Six Degrees, including opening the second half of the show with disc 2 and playing it all the way through and following that with some cuts from Images & Words and then even did an instrumedley that featured a sizeable chunk of A Change of Seasons.
This is still my favorite Dream Theater album, although Train of Thought has been giving it a run for its money in the last few years.
I really think this album was Dream Theater's creative zenith so far. They may yet eclipse it, but it won't be easy.
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19 years ago I was 6 :eek I wasn't even aware of DT at the time :lol
Anyway, SDOIT is fantastic, it's surely a top 5 DT album to me. I'd even say that, while not my favorite, it could be their best album, ever.
The production is clean, the sound is great and imo what really makes this album stand out, besides the songwriting, is Jordan freaking Rudess. He played everything PERFECTLY on the album, every patch he chose, every section, every keyboard part. He's the MVP on SDOIT for sure.
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19 years ago, I didn't have the opportunity to listen to such an amazing album... I had around 6 and a half months left before I was born, after all!
But then about 3-4 years ago, I did hear Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, and it soon grew to be one of my favorite albums of all time. In fact, I'd say that of my Top 10 favorite albums of all time, it'd be #2. Every single song is perfection (except for The Great Debate, but to me, that song is very close to perfection anyway). I could talk about everything I love about the album like a lot of people here have, but if we're talking everything, I'd be here for a very long time. Needless to say at this point, I absolutely love this album.
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Yeah - no more complete album celebrations, please. As much as I love the album (in particular the first disc), I don't want to see them fall into the same trap that Yes has, playing one or more albums in their entirety on every tour. While great once and a while as an exception, it gets old if done all the time. And DT's done it a lot since MM's been in the band.
2014 – second half of Awake and a suite of SFaM tracks
2016 – all of TA
2017 – all of IaW
2019-20 – all of SFaM
I think each of those was the right call at the time and made for a fantastic set list. That said, I think playing SDOIT in its entirety would NOT be the right call, anniversary or not. But I really don't think we need to worry about that. Even if they wanted to, it's too long an album to play in its entirety.
However, I will double down on my earlier statement that I think it is a great idea to recognize it by playing a good chunk of it. From the first disk, TGP and Misunderstood should be no-brainers, as they are fan favorites, work well live, and haven't been played in awhile. And I would assume a few movements from SDOIT, because it kinda feels obligatory. Of course, how much of it they play would depend on whether they are still doing an evening-with show, or whether they are touring with another band (such as a certain co-headlining tour I heard rumors of a little while back). But here's an interesting thought on logistics: Rather than doing a Six Degrees suite, kinda like they did on the Along for the Ride tour, I think they would be better served by sprinkling the songs throughout the set, and have James mention the anniversary when the play whichever song comes up first in the rotation. By splitting them up, you avoid having a huge "dead spot" in the set for those who don't care for the album as much, since it isn't quite as universally loved as, say, I&W and SFAM.
Anyhow, as far as the album itself, I remember when it came out, and not being able to find it at first on release day. It was the oddest thing. But it was a time of interesting transition where I lived, because defaulting to online ordering wasn't really that much of a thing yet, but where I lived, brick and mortar music stores were starting to dry up. We had a couple of awesome chains in N. Cal., but they didn't have locations near me. So I got the album a bit later than I wanted. But I fell in love with it immediately. It's been my favorite DT album for a long, long time. And the title song has been my favorite song for a long time as well (although I don't think it necessarily translates so well to a live setting).
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TGP absolutely slays, and I can't believe that DT would not be aware of how much of a fan favourite it is.
For many years, I've suspected that the real reason it doesn't get played live these days is because of those dang arpeggios...! They are notoriously difficult to play on a guitar, and in fact I believe it was Jordan who wrote that part and JP then learned it on guitar. Even JP, being the absolute guitar-god he is, has made no secret about the fact that he finds it extraordinarily difficult to play live (forgive me, I cannot immediately recall specific instances where he said this but I remember reading or hearing it somewhere). I can definitely imagine that JP would simply rule out playing the song altogether, being the perfectionist he is, for that reason alone.
However - it has to be said that the last time they played it live was in their pre-click track days, and we all know how MP loved to push up the tempo. So I'm sure they could easily rectify the issue by bringing the BPM down a few and obviously, this would ensure a consistent tempo - which I'm sure nobody mind for the sake of seeing this song played live again ;D
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TGP absolutely slays, and I can't believe that DT would not be aware of how much of a fan favourite it is.
For many years, I've suspected that the real reason it doesn't get played live these days is because of those dang arpeggios...! They are notoriously difficult to play on a guitar, and in fact I believe it was Jordan who wrote that part and JP then learned it on guitar. Even JP, being the absolute guitar-god he is, has made no secret about the fact that he finds it extraordinarily difficult to play live (forgive me, I cannot immediately recall specific instances where he said this but I remember reading or hearing it somewhere). I can definitely imagine that JP would simply rule out playing the song altogether, being the perfectionist he is, for that reason alone.
However - it has to be said that the last time they played it live was in their pre-click track days, and we all know how MP loved to push up the tempo. So I'm sure they could easily rectify the issue by bringing the BPM down a few and obviously, this would ensure a consistent tempo - which I'm sure nobody mind for the sake of seeing this song played live again ;D
Yeah this 100%. For me TGP is like One from Metallica. It's not a hit like Pull Me Under but it's the main hit for the nerds. Like you know it's that moment when shit will get mental when the noise arrives. Honestly DT's biggest mistake at festivals is to not play TGP every damn time. Anyyyyyway, enough about TGP.
I would love DT15 to be a D/T but with the Six Degrees mindset. I really love D/T but for me the "dragged out" instrumental stuff and exploring music, structure and soundscapes the way they did in Six Degrees just makes me crazy for another similar record. I honestly think Dream Theater has been more "constrained" ever since Six Degrees and I would like to hear them try push the exploration and soundscape bit. Just imagine Pale Blue Dot but if it were written during Six Degrees era. It would have been the most awesome banger ever.
Anyway for me it's unbelieve how a band can write disc 1 and disc 2 for the same record. One of them would have been a success in my book, but no. They had disc 1 and said "let's fill these last minutes as well". "Ops, that became another disc in itself with a 42 minute masterpiece of which the world will never hear the like of again". Jordan is just so in his right elements for every single note during Six Degrees. To be fair he was that in Scenes as well, but here in another more exploratory way.
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When I saw them at that concert I mentioned earlier in the thread, they opened with The Glass Prison and it was fucking glorious :hefdaddy :metal
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I remember them opening with TGP the second time I saw them with Gigantour. JP did a mini clinic before the show at a local guitar store and played the arpeggios for us and settled the debate whether they were swept versus alt picked. I kept hoping they would play the song that night and they did, one of my favorite concert moments.
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I remember them opening with TGP the second time I saw them with Gigantour. JP did a mini clinic before the show at a local guitar store and played the arpeggios for us and settled the debate whether they were swept versus alt picked. I kept hoping they would play the song that night and they did, one of my favorite concert moments.
And????
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My favorite album, and crazy how it is almost 20 years old now. I bought the album because I liked Solitary Shell from Budakon. My friend from school, had all the albums, so I borrowed his 6DOIT and ripped it onto my computer.
The Glass Prison: The first time I actually heard this song was on Gigantour. I was meeting my cousin who was going to get us to the lower section, and since my cuz pulled out the wrong ticket, we had to go around the other side. As we were going around the outer edges of the venue where the stage isn't visible, I heard the audience begin to roar, and then the intro tape of the record ending began, and as I got up to the grass to see the band as we could still reach the lower bowl entrance from there, JM began his opening notes, so we stood until the band came on then headed on down. We got to our seats just as JLB came out to start his verse. That was an amazing moment.
Blind Faith: Another song that opens with John Myung, and as I was beginning to get into Bass at the time, it really intrigued me. I really enjoy the atmosphere of the keyboards, guitar, and bass, while the drums keep a nice groove, complimenting the other instruments well. The instrumental section is one of their coolest, I think, it has ideas that I haven't heard in much of their songs since, and I think it's the key of the song that plays a part in that.
Misunderstood: One song I want to hear live at some point, along with Blind Faith. I like how simple the guitar is keeping the beat, while the bass keeps a nice background, and the drums adds it's little beats, until the full band comes in with the "If I seem superhuman" the second time around. I really like the ending too, as it reflects that struggle and frustrating feeling, of being misunderstood.
The Great Debate: Another JM opening song (The first disc really was inspired by Tool and their Bass intro openings specifically Aenima), I don't mind the subject matter of the song. I find the way they utilized the Left and Right pan, and also how the lyrics end with "Pay attention to the questions we have raised" as it doesn't come to a resolve. And the music reflects that as it keeps going, and I like how it comes down gradually ending with the volume swells.
Disappear: A great way to end the first disc, and with the album dealing with mental struggles, ending with one of Death and Grief is a good way to end the first disc. I find the opening atmospheric high noises to represent the death rattle and the moment one feels the moment the person dies, and the moment of the death is the first guitar chord strum. I personally prefer the soft spoken JLB background vocals over the lead ones he does live on budakon. I would love to hear this one live too, but I ain't expecting it at all.
6DOIT: Overall, I enjoy how they made an epic 42 min. long song to represent some Mental Illnesses that were/are major subjects at the time. I like how they portray these in the moods of About to Crash and Reprise, Goodnight Kiss, and Solitary Shell. I also like how WIMH has this frantic feel and it's a good lead into the other frantic chaotic of the mind with TTTSTA.
Summary: I really find it neat, how Grand Finale, in a way, is the Grand Finale of the entire album, which it is about "The journey to find, the answers inside our illusive mind" and perfectly sums up the album for me.
This is why it is my favorite Dream Theater Album, and The Astonishing and D/T are tied at second, and really close to hitting the spot that 6DOIT does.
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My favorite album, and crazy how it is almost 20 years old now. I bought the album because I liked Solitary Shell from Budakon. My friend from school, had all the albums, so I borrowed his 6DOIT and ripped it onto my computer.
The Glass Prison: The first time I actually heard this song was on Gigantour. I was meeting my cousin who was going to get us to the lower section, and since my cuz pulled out the wrong ticket, we had to go around the other side. As we were going around the outer edges of the venue where the stage isn't visible, I heard the audience begin to roar, and then the intro tape of the record ending began, and as I got up to the grass to see the band as we could still reach the lower bowl entrance from there, JM began his opening notes, so we stood until the band came on then headed on down. We got to our seats just as JLB came out to start his verse. That was an amazing moment.
Blind Faith: Another song that opens with John Myung, and as I was beginning to get into Bass at the time, it really intrigued me. I really enjoy the atmosphere of the keyboards, guitar, and bass, while the drums keep a nice groove, complimenting the other instruments well. The instrumental section is one of their coolest, I think, it has ideas that I haven't heard in much of their songs since, and I think it's the key of the song that plays a part in that.
Misunderstood: One song I want to hear live at some point, along with Blind Faith. I like how simple the guitar is keeping the beat, while the bass keeps a nice background, and the drums adds it's little beats, until the full band comes in with the "If I seem superhuman" the second time around. I really like the ending too, as it reflects that struggle and frustrating feeling, of being misunderstood.
The Great Debate: Another JM opening song (The first disc really was inspired by Tool and their Bass intro openings specifically Aenima), I don't mind the subject matter of the song. I find the way they utilized the Left and Right pan, and also how the lyrics end with "Pay attention to the questions we have raised" as it doesn't come to a resolve. And the music reflects that as it keeps going, and I like how it comes down gradually ending with the volume swells.
Disappear: A great way to end the first disc, and with the album dealing with mental struggles, ending with one of Death and Grief is a good way to end the first disc. I find the opening atmospheric high noises to represent the death rattle and the moment one feels the moment the person dies, and the moment of the death is the first guitar chord strum. I personally prefer the soft spoken JLB background vocals over the lead ones he does live on budakon. I would love to hear this one live too, but I ain't expecting it at all.
6DOIT: Overall, I enjoy how they made an epic 42 min. long song to represent some Mental Illnesses that were/are major subjects at the time. I like how they portray these in the moods of About to Crash and Reprise, Goodnight Kiss, and Solitary Shell. I also like how WIMH has this frantic feel and it's a good lead into the other frantic chaotic of the mind with TTTSTA.
Summary: I really find it neat, how Grand Finale, in a way, is the Grand Finale of the entire album, which it is about "The journey to find, the answers inside our illusive mind" and perfectly sums up the album for me.
This is why it is my favorite Dream Theater Album, and The Astonishing and D/T are tied at second, and really close to hitting the spot that 6DOIT does.
Man, that's a great post. My favorite album as well, and I'll never forget spending New Year's Eve driving around (I left a party to go get beer, and didn't come back for two hours...surprised my gf at the time didn't dump me) and listening to this at maximum volume.
A record-industry buddy of mine had slipped me a promo...man, I was sooooooo pumped!
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At that moment I was just recovering from discovering DT around 1999-2000 and absorbing all their albums and live show...
SDOIT and LTE were severe critical hits that made me drop nearly every other artists I could listen to at that moment :D
Musical orgasms.
I guess I'll never feel that again !
(Oh and seeing DT live for the first time during the six degrees tour was fantastic)
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I got on the DT bus with SFAM, fell in love, saw 'em live on the second UK touring leg and absorbed the back catalogue.
But 6D was the first album that came out while I was an existing fan. I had the edits CD from the fan club so knew those three songs but the album exceeded expectations in all ways. It's got variety and freshness throughout and we loved it straight away, playing it in the car for years.
We saw them twice in London on both legs. The first (i think) was at the Astoria, which is gone now but was a large-club-sized venue. Black, dark and a bit rough with a brilliant atmosphere. I'd love to see them again in a place that small. I think they played the whole album as the second set. James did really well on the Grand Finale but goofed up a few lines and was clearly really pissed off that he had.
It's now taken over Awake as my favourite DT album and they haven't bettered it since.
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And listened to it today and it's still amazing.
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I became a fan when Falling Into Infinity was new.
but Six Degrees is my number 2 DT album.
Disc 1 is so damn intense. i was never fond of the great Debate but that's just 1 song.
and to the suite was and remains one of the best pieces they've ever recorded.
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If you've never seen Glass Prison followed by This Dying Soul played back-to-back live, I pray one day you do. It was a hallowed experience.
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I'll never forget the first time I listened to this album. I had already been a fan of the band since 1992. At the time, I was playing drums in the worship team at my church.
The keyboardist in our band was also a DT fan. The album was released on a night that we were having band practice at our church. He had had time to pick up the album before practice.
After practice was finished and most everyone else left, we played the album through the church PA system. That was fucking loud and awesome. :metal
Every album preview should be that good.
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Sergeant Pepper taught the band to play. :metal
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I'll never forget the first time I listened to this album. I had already been a fan of the band since 1992. At the time, I was playing drums in the worship team at my church.
The keyboardist in our band was also a DT fan. The album was released on a night that we were having band practice at our church. He had had time to pick up the album before practice.
After practice was finished and most everyone else left, we played the album through the church PA system. That was fucking loud and awesome. :metal
Every album preview should be that good.
You'd better believe it.
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I was working half days as I was in the middle of getting Chemo. I was battling Lymphoma. I would work 4 hour a day, second week 5 hours a day. The 3rd week 6 hours then take a week off the week of the chemo treatments. I had to do this for 5 months. After the second treatment I went to the record store before work and got it.
It helped me through a very tough time in my life. It has a bigger meaning than you'll ever know.
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I was working half days as I was in the middle of getting Chemo. I was battling Lymphoma. I would work 4 hour a day, second week 5 hours a day. The 3rd week 6 hours then take a week off the week of the chemo treatments. I had to do this for 5 months. After the second treatment I went to the record store before work and got it.
It helped me through a very tough time in my life. It has a bigger meaning than you'll ever know.
:heart
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I was working half days as I was in the middle of getting Chemo. I was battling Lymphoma. I would work 4 hour a day, second week 5 hours a day. The 3rd week 6 hours then take a week off the week of the chemo treatments. I had to do this for 5 months. After the second treatment I went to the record store before work and got it.
It helped me through a very tough time in my life. It has a bigger meaning than you'll ever know.
Great, seriously. This is what ADTOE and DT12 did for me as well. (not relating to chemotherapy but equally dark things). Nice when that happens.