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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: Kotowboy on January 20, 2021, 05:29:05 AM
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I realised we don't have a "chat" thread just for music in general and normally have to go the specific band thread.
Let's use this thread for any general music / band thoughts !
I'll start !
Why have I only just found out that the Ghostbusters theme song is a huge rip off of Huey Lewis & The News' song
" I Want A New Drug " ?
omg it's the same song :lol
:D
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I realised we don't have a "chat" thread just for music in general and normally have to go the specific band thread.
Let's use this thread for any general music / band thoughts !
I'll start !
Why have I only just found out that the Ghostbusters theme song is a huge rip off of Huey Lewis & The News' song
" I Want A New Drug " ?
omg it's the same song :lol
:D
Ha, yeah there was a lawsuit and everything I think. I believe they wanted the band to do a song for the soundtrack, they declined, and then the studio went out and hired someone to write a song that sounded like Huey Lewis and the News.
Details: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghostbusters_(song)#:~:text=Lawsuit,-Further%20information%3A%20List&text=When%20the%20theme%20song%20of,theme%20song%20for%20the%20film.
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...which led to Huey Lewis writing a song for Back To The Future - the greatest film of all time.
win / Win / WIN ! ;D
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and a Cameo in the movie.
Why has Huey never been nominated for the Rock Hall?
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Alright then,
Let’s enjoy this one: https://youtu.be/hcrUuCDFLOQ
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I had no idea about the Ghostbusters theme! I've of my abs favourite movies of all time.
Lady GaGa was bloody great today.
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and a Cameo in the movie.
Why has Huey never been nominated for the Rock Hall?
Because it isn't hip to be square.
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I never got the Ghostbusters/I Want a New Drug thing. Similar? Yes. The same? I don’t hear it.
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I never got the Ghostbusters/I Want a New Drug thing. Similar? Yes. The same? I don’t hear it.
This. I totally never got it either.
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Alright then,
Let’s enjoy this one: https://youtu.be/hcrUuCDFLOQ
Doctor Jazz always makes me giggle.
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The entire Count Basie Orchestra on Triangle!
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I never got the Ghostbusters/I Want a New Drug thing. Similar? Yes. The same? I don’t hear it.
This. I totally never got it either.
The bass line in the verses is almost exactly the same, the rest is similar enough.
And it's no coincidence either as the linked article above shows.
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I find it amusing that almost every pop song I hear at work is either
I - V - VI - IV in the chorus
or
IV - I - V - VI
It's like those are the only two options.
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I've not counted them but I think there are a massive amount of Maiden songs in Em with the chorus of VI-VII-I or v similar.
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I've not counted them but I think there are a massive amount of Maiden songs in Em with the chorus of VI-VII-I or v similar.
Most use those 3 in some capacity. I-VI-III-VII is another heavily utilised one for them.
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I love Trivium and they're easily the best of their genre of Metal - but
they do use the I - VI - VII progression in their choruses way too often.
As well as going to the V in the final bar before going back into the verse.
" Heart from your hate " is a good example of this.
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And every Metallica song features the low E-string heavily :lol
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What annoys me is how people think getting an 8 string and tuning it down two tones will automatically make the song MORE HEVYYY
It's not about PITCH. It's everything. It's the tone of the guitars and the rhythm and the chug.
I don't know why there are not 6 strings which are the lowest 6 strings of an 8 string.
You'd probably need a thicker neck and maybe a stronger truss rod - but I think some guitarists just want to be seen to have an 8 string.
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Listened to Thin Lizzy's Live and Dangerous album last weekend. Still In Love With You is still playing in my head. Marvelous duel guitar solo trade-offs on that song. Up there amongst my all time favorite solos.
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What annoys me is how people think getting an 8 string and tuning it down two tones will automatically make the song MORE HEVYYY
It's not about PITCH. It's everything. It's the tone of the guitars and the rhythm and the chug.
I don't know why there are not 6 strings which are the lowest 6 strings of an 8 string.
You'd probably need a thicker neck and maybe a stronger truss rod - but I think some guitarists just want to be seen to have an 8 string.
There are bands that tunes their (six-string) guitars in B, which is basically the same as having a 7-string. You do need a longer scale for that indeed. It's probably possible to go down even further, but then, why should you, if you can get an 8-string as well?
That said, I love my 8-string guitar, because it gives me more range and makes some stuff easier to play in a single position. The lowest string definitely gets used the least though.
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I'd get a 7 at a push but i'd rather have a baritone. One of the nicest sounds in an acoustic tuned down to B standard.
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So - it's been around 18 months now.
Is it time to finally admit that FEAR INOCULUM wasn't the masterpiece we wanted or expected or thought it was at first ?
Not saying it was bad - but after 13 years - it wasn't good enough...
On my very first listen of the album it was a game of " what previous TOOL song is this riff from - and why would I rather listen to THAT song instead ? "
* - I still place it above Aenima and Undertow though. Third behind Lateralus and 10,000 Days.
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I've not heard it since it came out and then I only managed a couple of tracks. Just wasn't connecting. I mean to go back and try again though. I'm very aware that my mood is very specific these days.
Listened to Aenima title track and The Pot the other day and loved em, though.
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I wasn't expecting the holy grail of Tool music, with Fear Inoculum...That's Lateralus.
I do enjoy a couple of tracks, Culling Voices and Pneuma being the highlights. And to me, Chocolate Chip Trip, is just a reworked modified version of Merkaba from Salival. It actually sounds better with all the new sounds Danny can get with his Mandala Pads now.
The star, and was always the star, is Dannys drumming and his use of the Mandala sounds and Patterns. Those are incorporated a lot more than in 10,000 which had a lot of those as well.
Though, having those Interludes included really helps the flow of the album. They're almost like breather tracks as you get ready for the next >10min.
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This is driving me nuts but does the bass line in verses of The Police song O My God resemble a Signify-era PT track? I was thinking Idiot Prayer but that’s not it and don’t know if I’m misremembering.
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So - it's been around 18 months now.
Is it time to finally admit that FEAR INOCULUM wasn't the masterpiece we wanted or expected or thought it was at first ?
Not saying it was bad - but after 13 years - it wasn't good enough...
On my very first listen of the album it was a game of " what previous TOOL song is this riff from - and why would I rather listen to THAT song instead ? "
* - I still place it above Aenima and Undertow though. Third behind Lateralus and 10,000 Days.
Did they ever come out with just a plain 'ole CD version with no book, no batteries, no CRT video monitors?
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Can we have a separate "Just General non band specific Music Chat Thread" for people who don't know anything about music where we don't discuss chord progressions, guitar tunings, and such? :lol
I'd never heard that about Ghostbusters/Huey Lewis. I am curious to check it out, but that would require me listening to a Huey Lewis song.
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If Huey Lewis and the News ever do make the Hall of Fame, how awesome would it be if Christian Bale was the one to induct them?
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I must be old. lol. The HL/Ghostbusters decision was in the news daily at the time.
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Listened to Thin Lizzy's Live and Dangerous album last weekend. Still In Love With You is still playing in my head. Marvelous duel guitar solo trade-offs on that song. Up there amongst my all time favorite solos.
The best version of Still In Love With you is on this album:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c2/Thinlizzy-bbclive1.jpg/220px-Thinlizzy-bbclive1.jpg)
Reading '83.
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So - it's been around 18 months now.
Is it time to finally admit that FEAR INOCULUM wasn't the masterpiece we wanted or expected or thought it was at first ?
Not saying it was bad - but after 13 years - it wasn't good enough...
On my very first listen of the album it was a game of " what previous TOOL song is this riff from - and why would I rather listen to THAT song instead ? "
* - I still place it above Aenima and Undertow though. Third behind Lateralus and 10,000 Days.
Did they ever come out with just a plain 'ole CD version with no book, no batteries, no CRT video monitors?
Does 10,000 days not have the 3D optical lenses?
This has been Tools Forte since Aenima with it's Motion Artwork, and especially that odd one. Lateralus had the Layers.
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If Huey Lewis and the News ever do make the Hall of Fame, how awesome would it be if Christian Bale was the one to induct them?
in full Patrick Bateman character, yes :)
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Listening to Collective Soul for the first time in a while. I’ve always had a soft spot for them. It seems weird how they sort of dropped off the map overnight when the millennium turned. But I suppose a lot of mainstream rock just went out of fashion around that time. Still, these guys had a bunch of big rock radio tunes, but you don’t really hear them talked about much anymore even in the context of the top bands of the 90s.
Shine is one of the more memorable rock anthems of the 90s, and the self titled album is a really strong all around record with several really big hits. December, The World I Know, Smashing Young Men, Gel, Where The River Flows were all over radio back in the day. The next two albums, Disciplined Breakdown and Dosage, each spawned several hits as well. Dosage might even be their strongest album.
And then, 2000 came and Blender kind of flopped and that was it. It was their last album on Atlantic, I guess Napster came along, and then probably major labels weren’t going to go out of their way to support them. Here we are 20 years later, and the band (with a somewhat different lineup) is still going but it doesn’t seem like they’ve ever had a nostalgia fueled renaissance like you see with many popular rock bands late in their careers.
Where do people here think they fall among the best bands of the 90s? I kind of think after the initial wave of grunge bands, they were as good as anyone else that were prominently featured on alternative rock radio in the mid to late 90s. I’m trying to think of an analogous band from an earlier era who had this many hits but not a lot of longevity.
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That self titled album is an absolute cracker.
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So - it's been around 18 months now.
Is it time to finally admit that FEAR INOCULUM wasn't the masterpiece we wanted or expected or thought it was at first ?
Not saying it was bad - but after 13 years - it wasn't good enough...
On my very first listen of the album it was a game of " what previous TOOL song is this riff from - and why would I rather listen to THAT song instead ? "
* - I still place it above Aenima and Undertow though. Third behind Lateralus and 10,000 Days.
Did they ever come out with just a plain 'ole CD version with no book, no batteries, no CRT video monitors?
Not a bog standard jewel case type thing but I think there was a more 'standard' version. I bought it digitally from iTunes.
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I can't say I like much at all in the way of modern pop music but I think Pink + White by Frank Ocean is a great, great song. Get some serious Stevie Wonder vibes :heart
My wife does have pretty good taste in music to me fair, we just don't have a lot of crossover. This is for sure a song I'm glad she introduced me to. I suppose the last time that happened was with Take Me to Church by Hozier (which is an even better song).
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I know this sounds a lot like Hyperbole...
But I genuinely think that Ed Sheeran is the worst thing to happen to music.
At least in a long time.
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I know this sounds a lot like Hyperbole...
But I genuinely think that Ed Sheeran is the worst thing to happen to music.
At least in a long time.
I can't think of a single song of his I recall or like but he seemed like a very talented performer from the odd live clip I've seen. What's your beef with him?
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Yeah, no. Ed Sheeran is not the worst thing to happen to music. I get it if you don't like the guy. Just say it like that. I don't like plenty of artists and I won't go out of my way saying they are the worst thing to happen to music. Why do people have to feel like certain bands/artists are the worst things that happened to music in their time. Heck, people feel that way about Creed and Nickelback in their time and I'm going frank. They, along with Ed Sheeran, ain't the worst thing to happen to music. Not by a long shot.
On another note, it's interesting how as the pandemic keeps going, I have fallen out of listening to Modern Active Rock radio bands that gets plays on Sirius XM Octane and in its replacement, the void is filled by JPop/Jrock and quite honestly, I feel more calmer as a result.
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Interesting to hear how music preference has changed over lockdown. I've listened to more instrumental music and very little metal. I yearn for anything that moves me and is communicating something I interpret as real.
Talking of metal, I've recently been enjoying the last Armored Saint album a lot. It has a joyful, uplifting vibe, even though they are a metal band. However, I've almost completely stopped enjoying new metal over the last few years. I often dip into things people talk about on the web and on this board but it very much leaves me cold now.
It's weird and confuses me slightly. I grew up on metal (47 now) and I enjoy most records I enjoyed in the day (inc 'extreme' bands like Slayer, Enslaved, Morbid Angel, etc) but new extreme metal just seems so pointless, joyless unconvincing and a repetition of the past. (Just thought of some exceptions I do enjoy - the heavy bits of Dev's Empath, some of Ihsahn's output)
Now, I know this must mainly be me, but I suspect some of it actually is that metal has stagnated over recent years with few bands having their own identities.
Maybe I was spoiled as a teenager. Me and mine witnessed the birth of thrash, glam, funk, death (and later black) metals. The recent evolutions I can think of are Meshuggah and math metal (eg Dillinger Escape Plan) but they are not remotely new now.
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It's mainly how ubiquitous he is. How often I hear one of his 'songs' . How many pop songs now have him as a co writer.
He's starting to appear in films and tv shows. I looked up a pop song the other day completely at random - from years ago
and he was a co writer on it.
I got the last Bryan Adams album and he's a co writer on one song.
it's like Dude - Just FUCK OFF...
Plus his 'music' is so completely bland and generic and simple. And he's had multiple lawsuits for plagiarism... And he has a team of writers.
He just seems to be ultra successful for no real reason.
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Also - which is the most recent Weezer album that's actually any good ?
I like Green and Blue - but after that - not much. Hated Pinkerton. The general consensus seems to be White.
They seem to be doing an Offspring - just turning into a novelty band and their material has gone south.
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it's like Dude - Just FUCK OFF...
:rollin Fair enough.
I hadn't realised he was so ever-present or the plagiarism stuff. Interesting.
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Yeah, I never understood why this dude was so popular either. I agree what I've heard from him too is fucking bland and boring too.
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Also - which is the most recent Weezer album that's actually any good ?
I like Green and Blue - but after that - not much. Hated Pinkerton. The general consensus seems to be White.
They seem to be doing an Offspring - just turning into a novelty band and their material has gone south.
A lot of Weezer fans think anything that's not Blue or Pinkerton is garbage. I think there's a lot to like on all of their albums, even if there's some shitty material scattered throughout.
Everything Will Be Alright in the End is my favorite of theirs and is awesome throughout, but White is great too so check out either of them. I'm pretty much the only person that loves Black, Pacific Daydream, and Hurley and they have enough great songs to be enjoyable throughout imo.
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I think that four albums in 2 years is really spreading yourself thin.
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Yeah, I never understood why this dude was so popular either. I agree what I've heard from him too is fucking bland and boring too.
it's like - his song The A Team could be literally ANYBODY at an open mic night anywhere. It's so generic and obvious.
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Also - being on so many pop songs and guesting with so many different people etc - you realise that he loves money more than music.
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it's like - his song The A Team could be literally ANYBODY at an open mic night anywhere. It's so generic and obvious.
Yet nobody did until Ed Sheeran recorded that track and it became popular.
Also - being on so many pop songs and guesting with so many different people etc - you realise that he loves money more than music.
Or, you know, he enjoys working with different people on different styles, because he loves music.
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Lmao no. He's a massive cash grabber.
If he loved music he wouldnt have a team of writers. That "Shape Of You" sounds like it was written by committee to appeal to as many pop fans as possible.
I literally just write this then went to my local shop to buy some groceries - and Ed Sheeran was on the radio when I went in .. :lol
It was that shitty I dont Care nursery rhyme with Justine Beaver. Absolute shite.
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Lmao no. He's a massive cash grabber.
Ok. Sure. He's also a hard-working artist.
If he loved music he wouldnt have a team of writers. That "Shape Of You" sounds like it was written by committee to appeal to as many pop fans as possible.
What does 'having a team of writers' have to do with 'loving music'? You can easily look up the fact that Ed Sheeran basically writes all of his own songs. People adding stuff in the studio, or changing stuff here and there should be considered a good thing. Many bands record stuff without outside influence; feedback in the recording process is important.
Besides; guess what: it worked. Shape of You has been the most streamed song on Spotify for years.
I literally just write this then went to my local shop to buy some groceries - and Ed Sheeran was on the radio when I went in .. :lol
Yes, and?
It was that shitty I dont Care nursery rhyme with Justine Beaver. Absolute shite.
Never heard that one before. I got treated to 'Sorry' by Justin Bieber yesterday in my supermarket. Wanna swap?
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I’ve never heard an Es Sheeran song (that I know of).
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I guarantee you have.
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I guarantee you have.
What’s his big hit? I never listen to radio and don’t watch much TV so I’m not sure where I would hear it.
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There's I Don't Care with Justine Beaver and " The Shape Of You " which is a 4 bar loop for 5 minutes...
He's got so many singles....
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Anyway today I realised that MONSTER is REM's 9th album so the remixed version they put out coulda been stylised as MONSTER - R.E.M. IX Ed.
;D
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Lmao no. He's a massive cash grabber.
Ok. Sure. He's also a hard-working artist.
If he loved music he wouldnt have a team of writers. That "Shape Of You" sounds like it was written by committee to appeal to as many pop fans as possible.
What does 'having a team of writers' have to do with 'loving music'? You can easily look up the fact that Ed Sheeran basically writes all of his own songs. People adding stuff in the studio, or changing stuff here and there should be considered a good thing. Many bands record stuff without outside influence; feedback in the recording process is important.
Besides; guess what: it worked. Shape of You has been the most streamed song on Spotify for years.
I literally just write this then went to my local shop to buy some groceries - and Ed Sheeran was on the radio when I went in .. :lol
Yes, and?
It was that shitty I dont Care nursery rhyme with Justine Beaver. Absolute shite.
Never heard that one before. I got treated to 'Sorry' by Justin Bieber yesterday in my supermarket. Wanna swap?
And there are "Artists" that are created by the record label. They look for upcoming musicians to sell their musical product. These are usually your Pop Artists. More Celebrity than musician. You can get any band, and market them up as much as these pop artists, and guarantee people will begin to listen to them. But these record labels, have a set musical style, and product they want put out. And bands won't make music that the record labels want.
I think those Pop Artists are talented people, why else would the label get them. It's just that, I feel it's wasted, by agreeing to push the labels product, because they're getting paid and fame for it.
I heard them do some amazing Piano only, or acoustic only versions of their hits and I actually prefer those versions. More so than the produced stuff that is released on their albums.
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Another big song of Ed Sheeran's is Thinking Out Loud. That one has plagiarism allegations as well.
Now, I don't care how he or his legal team handles these claims or if they win or lose. I won't switch to another channel if I hear one of his songs. The same can't be said for other artists/bands. Some of those bands/artists are those that people of DTF like.
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Rick Beato played the one that sounds like Marvin gaye side by side and yep - same key AND tempo...
if you're gonna steal - at least change the key and the tempo ffs.
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Another big song of Ed Sheeran's is Thinking Out Loud. That one has plagiarism allegations as well.
Now, I don't care how he or his legal team handles these claims or if they win or lose. I won't switch to another channel if I hear one of his songs. The same can't be said for other artists/bands. Some of those bands/artists are those that people of DTF like.
I would probably like some of his songs, if I heard them. But, I also like songs from many different styles. As does everyone, and some people only like a certain style of music and that is all they listen to. I listen to bands that I feel, have a great sound within that style/genre. And some bands I think have a great blend of styles and genres. I really like hearing those that blend genres that wouldn't seem to mix, some are actually pretty good, but the majority of them just aren't quite blended right. But once that one band goes and makes that perfect blend, then a new style of music will become popular and be the trend of a generation. Like that 80's Hair Ballads, and AquaNet, Spandex.
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Just looked up some Ed Sheeran on Amazon. I’m pretty sure I don’t know any of those songs, but they’re pretty indistinguishable from most modern pop stuff so maybe I have and don’t know it. Sounds pretty banal but it’s easy enough for me to avoid that kind of stuff. It would suck to be exposed to it regularly though.
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it's like - his song The A Team could be literally ANYBODY at an open mic night anywhere. It's so generic and obvious.
Yet nobody did until Ed Sheeran recorded that track and it became popular.
Also - being on so many pop songs and guesting with so many different people etc - you realise that he loves money more than music.
Or, you know, he enjoys working with different people on different styles, because he loves music.
I'm kinda with Elite on this. I can't stand the guy, frankly, but my wife and two daughters dig him, and while there's a lot you can say about the guy, "in it for the cash" isn't, I think, one of them. I also don't know him to have a "team" of writers; I got the impression he wrote most of his own stuff or with a writing parter. He DOES like the collaboration, though, and that wears thin with me; I'm not really a fan of that, at least not at the frequency with which he does it.
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How does someone with such a wussy voice have a song entitled something as awesome as The A Team? Can you imagine him reading off the intro dialogue? "In 1972 a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit..."
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Is Justine Beaver not a silly nickname for Justin Bieber?
I can do without Ed Sheeren. I've never heard anything I've liked from him.
The Offspring's last truly great album was Americana. Conspiracy of One is good, but a step down. Splinter does have some good songs, but feels too short, even for The Offspring. Then they went back to their home planet and were never seen or heard again.
I wish Taylor Swift would take a few years off. Just move to Antarctica.
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Is Justine Beaver not a silly nickname for Justin Bieber?
I can do without Ed Sheeren. I've never heard anything I've liked from him.
The Offspring's last truly great album was Americana. Conspiracy of One is good, but a step down. Splinter does have some good songs, but feels too short, even for The Offspring. Then they went back to their home planet and were never seen or heard again.
I wish Taylor Swift would take a few years off. Just move to Antarctica.
I was with you till the last one; one of the few artists now that I'm truly interested in seeing what she comes up with next. I don't mean that to say that I'm not looking forward to new music - I preordered both Transatlantic AND LTE - but I basically know what I'm getting there. She seems to be really mixing it up each time and keeping the quality there. No small feat.
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Is Justine Beaver not a silly nickname for Justin Bieber?
I can do without Ed Sheeren. I've never heard anything I've liked from him.
The Offspring's last truly great album was Americana. Conspiracy of One is good, but a step down. Splinter does have some good songs, but feels too short, even for The Offspring. Then they went back to their home planet and were never seen or heard again.
I wish Taylor Swift would take a few years off. Just move to Antarctica.
I was with you till the last one; one of the few artists now that I'm truly interested in seeing what she comes up with next. I don't mean that to say that I'm not looking forward to new music - I preordered both Transatlantic AND LTE - but I basically know what I'm getting there. She seems to be really mixing it up each time and keeping the quality there. No small feat.
My wife is a huge Taylor Swift fan, so she's always listening to her. I need a break. Also, Reputation and Lover were crap and a huge disappointment after the excellent 1989. Folklore and Evermore are just tired and old. Definitely a step up from the last 2, but I need a damn break.
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What the heck. How many albums has she released since 1989? Isn't that a recent album?
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What the heck. How many albums has she released since 1989? Isn't that a recent album?
1989 was 2014. Crazy.
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and a Cameo in the movie.
Why has Huey never been nominated for the Rock Hall?
Because it isn't hip to be square.
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it's like - his song The A Team could be literally ANYBODY at an open mic night anywhere. It's so generic and obvious.
Yet nobody did until Ed Sheeran recorded that track and it became popular.
I meant singer songwriters at open mic nights. All their songs are the same 4 chord generic cookie cutter song as The A Team. Yet Sheeran is a signed artist.
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In rock and metal music, lots of riffs get repeated without any variation whatsoever.
Green Day's entire discography is built on three chords.
Bob Dylan's too.
Metallica's riffs all sound the same (or at least similar).
Hotel California uses the same chord progression throughout the entire song and switches it around on the chorus.
In the rock-'n-roll age everybody was doing the 12 bar blues progression (and lots of people still do).
Sex Machine by James Brown uses just two chords.
Some terrible rap track I heard last week featured the same three-note keyboard melody looped throughout the entire track.
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it's like - his song The A Team could be literally ANYBODY at an open mic night anywhere. It's so generic and obvious.
Yet nobody did until Ed Sheeran recorded that track and it became popular.
I meant singer songwriters at open mic nights. All their songs are the same 4 chord generic cookie cutter song as The A Team. Yet Sheeran is a signed artist.
Record labels go out and search for artists to add to their label. And those major labels look for people that will make the music they say to make. Making them sign a contract, that says, they have to do it or else. It's why bands really need to look at their contracts really good. Even hiring a lawyer to consult through the contracts is done by bands.
We should know this because the record company wanted Dream Theater to make an album, they wanted. It's why FII is the way it is.
Some of these signed artists take the bait. And some of these end up becoming producers, or were originally producers before becoming a solo artist. Bruno Mars is one. Ed Sheeran could be one.
You want to see an interesting side to the music business and record labels. Read up about Hip-Hop artists and their labels. It's a reason why people say Suge Night killed 2Pac.
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In rock and metal music, lots of riffs get repeated without any variation whatsoever.
Green Day's entire discography is built on three chords.
Bob Dylan's too.
Metallica's riffs all sound the same (or at least similar).
Hotel California uses the same chord progression throughout the entire song and switches it around on the chorus.
In the rock-'n-roll age everybody was doing the 12 bar blues progression (and lots of people still do).
Sex Machine by James Brown uses just two chords.
Some terrible rap track I heard last week featured the same three-note keyboard melody looped throughout the entire track.
There are only so many ideas, right? Sure, Sheeran's dull but arguably not as samey as Metallica or Testament?
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it's like - his song The A Team could be literally ANYBODY at an open mic night anywhere. It's so generic and obvious.
Yet nobody did until Ed Sheeran recorded that track and it became popular.
I meant singer songwriters at open mic nights. All their songs are the same 4 chord generic cookie cutter song as The A Team. Yet Sheeran is a signed artist.
I think that's a shade simplistic. By that light, Bruce Springsteen is a "singer songwriter". Again, I'm no Ed Sheeran fan, but I also know my wife saw him open for Taylor Swift, and he stood there in front of a stadium, no backing band, just his guitar and one of those loop boxes and entertained 60,000 people for an hour. That's not "singer songwriters at an open mic night". You're also just talking about one song (which I hate, by the way).
I know some of you are going to latch onto the "counting sales" part, but that would be missing the forest for the trees: this is a great article on why you know Ed Sheeran (https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/ed-sheeran-new-album-divide). If any of you have seen the Springsteen on Broadway show, you know that this is a similar story. He just wanted it more.
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it's like - his song The A Team could be literally ANYBODY at an open mic night anywhere. It's so generic and obvious.
Yet nobody did until Ed Sheeran recorded that track and it became popular.
I meant singer songwriters at open mic nights. All their songs are the same 4 chord generic cookie cutter song as The A Team. Yet Sheeran is a signed artist.
I think that's a shade simplistic. By that light, Bruce Springsteen is a "singer songwriter". Again, I'm no Ed Sheeran fan, but I also know my wife saw him open for Taylor Swift, and he stood there in front of a stadium, no backing band, just his guitar and one of those loop boxes and entertained 60,000 people for an hour. That's not "singer songwriters at an open mic night". You're also just talking about one song (which I hate, by the way).
I know some of you are going to latch onto the "counting sales" part, but that would be missing the forest for the trees: this is a great article on why you know Ed Sheeran (https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/ed-sheeran-new-album-divide). If any of you have seen the Springsteen on Broadway show, you know that this is a similar story. He just wanted it more.
That just sounds like he's stuck in a really strict record contract, in order for him to able to be that famous and able to go onto those talk shows, and those big tv events. There is a reason why you always see those big names at those events. And why, these teen stars get so famous. His parents just weren't the type like the other parents were who pushed their child star into a mental breakdown.
And my does that person have a hard on for Ed Sheeran. :lol
I am sure, there are band members whom would gladly tell you stories of record contracts they got offered and gladly declined, and what was on those contracts.
Neal Morse started Radiant Records, his own label, also for this very reason of the Major Labels and their insane contracts.
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There are definitely talentless hacks making pop music, but Ed Sheeran isn't one of them.
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And Drake definitely is one of them.
I was in a shop and there was a track on the radio which was so banal I had to google the lyrics and it was " God's Plan " by Drake.
Dear me.
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I'm not suggesting that anyone should spend even a minute with music they don't like - there's too much good stuff out there - but my daughter and I have a rule: if one of us asks the other to listen to a song, we commit to it. As a result, she's a huge Fleetwood Mac, Queen, Kiss and Beatles fan, and I'm proud to say that her "80's playlist" would fit right in with most of the people here, judging by the various threads I read/participate in.
In that process, I've committed to listening to Ed Sheeran (didn't do anything for me), Taylor Swift (she's like U2; what I like I REALLY like, but there's a lot I could skip), One Direction (more on this in a minute) and Harry Styles (who I like, and have seen live once and will go again).
And here's the point: I can play you five songs from 1D and you'd all be (rightly) like "wow, does that suck hard". Banal wouldn't be the word. Here's the deal, though: they have five albums, and they are not puppets or Milli Vanilli. They all wanted to be musicians as well as popstars, and while you can say they "sold out", every album has a couple songs buried deep that aren't sugary pap. "Once In A Lifetime" makes me cry almost every time I hear it. Beautiful song. I'm not saying everyone has to love every band - I don't - but I think reserving judgment on one song, or even just the radio hits might sometimes not give the full picture. There are well-respected rock and pop and prog acts that have sold out just as badly as some of these pop stars, they just didn't get the pot of gold at the end of the tunnel.
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I'm not suggesting that anyone should spend even a minute with music they don't like - there's too much good stuff out there - but my daughter and I have a rule: if one of us asks the other to listen to a song, we commit to it. As a result, she's a huge Fleetwood Mac, Queen, Kiss and Beatles fan, and I'm proud to say that her "80's playlist" would fit right in with most of the people here, judging by the various threads I read/participate in.
In that process, I've committed to listening to Ed Sheeran (didn't do anything for me), Taylor Swift (she's like U2; what I like I REALLY like, but there's a lot I could skip), One Direction (more on this in a minute) and Harry Styles (who I like, and have seen live once and will go again).
And here's the point: I can play you five songs from 1D and you'd all be (rightly) like "wow, does that suck hard". Banal wouldn't be the word. Here's the deal, though: they have five albums, and they are not puppets or Milli Vanilli. They all wanted to be musicians as well as popstars, and while you can say they "sold out", every album has a couple songs buried deep that aren't sugary pap. "Once In A Lifetime" makes me cry almost every time I hear it. Beautiful song. I'm not saying everyone has to love every band - I don't - but I think reserving judgment on one song, or even just the radio hits might sometimes not give the full picture. There are well-respected rock and pop and prog acts that have sold out just as badly as some of these pop stars, they just didn't get the pot of gold at the end of the tunnel.
That's the beauty of buying the full albums and not just the singles, or listening to the singles only and not the album only songs.
I do this with a lot of bands. I actually will listen to an entire album first, if I can find it on streaming, if not I'll just buy the album. And sometimes, I like only one songs, but it's one that is so good I come back to it a lot.
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I'm not suggesting that anyone should spend even a minute with music they don't like - there's too much good stuff out there - but my daughter and I have a rule: if one of us asks the other to listen to a song, we commit to it.
That's me and my kid, as well.
I have been exposed to AWOLNation this way. Not my favorite, but not bad at all.
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My Dad dislikes pop - but his new wife and their 3 boys all love it - so anytime they're all in the car it's pop.
oh well ;D
Oh - and Dad HATES guitar distortion - unless it's like Dire Straits or some jazz fusion etc. Nothing overly heavy. But he says he'd much rather listen to Metal than Pop. :lol
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'Pop' is probably the most useless genre denominator ever, since it's literally an abbreviation for 'popular'. Anything can be 'pop' and history has proven that really.
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Yeah, and pop is so broad, that to dismiss it on principle is just silly. Sure, there's a lot of 'stupid' or 'banal' music out there, but that isn't limited to pop.
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So Marilyn Manson has been accused of physical and mental abuse by several people dating back years.
I AM SHOCKED I TELL YOU SHOCKED
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He's definitely going to put one of those " please don't cancel me " half-arsed " Meh it happened - sowwwwwy you guys. I'm getting help please don't cancel me buy my new album sowwwy "
type statements.
Funny how people like that never "seek help" until they're found out...
Like Kevin Spacey with his " Meh - I may have molested a teenager - i was probably drunk anyway - sowwwwwyyyyy im gay btw "
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:tdwn New Smashing Pumpkins CYR is their worst album by miles.
Soooo dull. Boring. Every song sounds the same. WAY too long.
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So I'm taking a relistening to The Greatest Showman soundtrack. I didn't watch the movie that the soundtrack is in, but as far as pop albums go nowadays, this is a good one. All the vocalists involved did a good job in their roles, especially Hugh Jackman in The Greatest Show and From Now On.
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The Offspring released a new song. It's terrible. Their new album will have a re-recorded version of Gone Away. Their last album had Dirty Magic. It was ok for a remake I guess. What happened to this band? It's bad when Splinter is better than anything they've done in almost 20 years. Splinter actually isn't really that bad. Why did I get rid of it? I think I'm gonna listen to it. My biggest complaint was that it was short even by their standards.
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^ Agree 100%. Dexters voice is buried and smothered in FX. The whole track sounds like a demo for some reason.
It sounds like a monitor mix. There's no OOMPH to it. You're just waiting for the song to start the whole time.
The new Green Day song may sound like Green Day by numbers ( it was just written for a hockey game ) - but it's catchy as hell and
sounds PRODUCED.
Green Day : Here Comes The Shock (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVfSN1wjDmE)
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So I'm taking a relistening to The Greatest Showman soundtrack. I didn't watch the movie that the soundtrack is in, but as far as pop albums go nowadays, this is a good one. All the vocalists involved did a good job in their roles, especially Hugh Jackman in The Greatest Show and From Now On.
My daughter loved this movie so we bought her the soundtrack. It is enjoyable; one of the few CDs of hers I won't tune out when she plays it.
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The Offspring released a new song. It's terrible. Their new album will have a re-recorded version of Gone Away. Their last album had Dirty Magic. It was ok for a remake I guess. What happened to this band? It's bad when Splinter is better than anything they've done in almost 20 years. Splinter actually isn't really that bad. Why did I get rid of it? I think I'm gonna listen to it. My biggest complaint was that it was short even by their standards.
I was always quite surprised at the hate Splinter got. I think it was a great album.
I don't want to listen to their new song though lol.
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Don't bother it's dire.
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I'll try and resist.
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I just came in to post that these 4 songs are four of the most beautiful songs I have ever heard...
Pain of Salvation - Vocari Dei
Dirty Heads - End of The World
Arch Echo - Measure of A Life
Haken - Bound By Gravity
These songs just invoke in me an uplifting, joyous, exuberant vibe and mood. Whenever I feel down, I put on these songs, they let me know that things are ok and there is more to living.
Just thought I'd share that with you guys.
I actually made a playlist with these songs in this order and they blend together so, so good.
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I'm not that big on Bound by Gravity, it's fine but I don't love it like others do. I get the feeling you are describing, when I listej to Earthrise though. It's beautiful.
Random thoughts for today:
"Eroded by Lizzard is rapidly moving up my album of the year list. It's absolutely killer".
"Cyberfunk! by Mother's Cake may be the best mix of prog and funk that I've ever heard".
"I really like the song Bat Out of Hell. I may pick up some Meatloaf vinyl".
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There are definitely talentless hacks making pop music, but Ed Sheeran isn't one of them.
My wife is a huge fan and for her birthday I took her to see him a while back. I was blown away by how good a performer and guitar player he is. Truly a great artist.
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There are definitely talentless hacks making pop music, but Ed Sheeran isn't one of them.
My wife is a huge fan and for her birthday I took her to see him a while back. I was blown away by how good a performer and guitar player he is. Truly a great artist.
Nice. :tup
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Pyramaze - The Time Traveller (https://youtu.be/BtPqjYnOjv4)
Now this is how you make a lyric video.
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So Metal Archives changed all the Artist pictures to cat pictures for April Fools. I thought it was amusing. :lol
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So Metal Archives changed all the Artist pictures to cat pictures for April Fools. I thought it was amusing. :lol
Look at the Iced Earth thread :lol
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I must say that I don't have the slightest bit of interest in the new LTE. I just cannot get excited about it.
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I think this is a fantastic pop song from the 90s and Kelly Clarkson may have ripped it off a little with Since You’ve Been Gone.
Dionne Farris - I Know
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fqng9NDqKB8
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I must say that I don't have the slightest bit of interest in the new LTE. I just cannot get excited about it.
I'd say I'm the opposite. I'm not a particularly huge fan of the first two, but after hearing two of the singles, I'm actually looking forward to it!
Thoughts for today:
"I've just fallen in love with Untouchable Parts 1&2, by Anathema" :heart
"I need to do a run through all of Alkaline Trio's albums, they really are such an underrated punk band".
"I really need to pick up Terraformer, by Thank You Scientist, and the Cowboy Bebop Soundtrack on vinyl".
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I must say that I don't have the slightest bit of interest in the new LTE. I just cannot get excited about it.
I'm the same, but with older LTE as well. I just can't get into instrumental music, I lose interest quickly. I need vocals.
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I must say that I don't have the slightest bit of interest in the new LTE. I just cannot get excited about it.
Same. I get Raw Dog vibes from the songs I've heard, and it's just not anything I can get excited about anymore. I'm actually way more curious as to what the jam tracks sound like and will probably be more interested in those
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I must say that I don't have the slightest bit of interest in the new LTE. I just cannot get excited about it.
I'm the same, but with older LTE as well. I just can't get into instrumental music, I lose interest quickly. I need vocals.
I'm not that excited about the new LTE either, but I've found that I'm really getting into more and more instrumental music. I actually find it to be more interesting without the vocals. Tastes, right? :smiley:
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I must say that I don't have the slightest bit of interest in the new LTE. I just cannot get excited about it.
Understandable. After all, it was produced after 1988.
:biggrin:
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I must say that I don't have the slightest bit of interest in the new LTE. I just cannot get excited about it.
Understandable. After all, it was produced after 1988.
:biggrin:
Hah!
I enjoyed the first two LTE albums, even though I never listen to them. I'm having a hard time deciding to spend money on the new one.
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If you aren't likely to listen, don't buy it. Just listen on Spotify.
Oh, wait. Do you have Spotify?
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If you aren't likely to listen, don't buy it. Just listen on Spotify.
Oh, wait. Do you have Spotify?
I not only have Spotify, but we have a family subscription. ;D
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If you aren't likely to listen, don't buy it. Just listen on Spotify.
Oh, wait. Do you have Spotify?
I not only have Spotify, but we have a family subscription. ;D
There you go.
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I must say that I don't have the slightest bit of interest in the new LTE. I just cannot get excited about it.
Same. I also still haven't heard John Petrucci's solo album.
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Unsurprisingly, The Offspring's new album is hot garbage.
I'm going to pretend they retired after Splinter, and sold the rights to the band name.
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Unsurprisingly, The Offspring's new album is hot garbage.
I'm going to pretend they retired after Splinter, and sold the rights to the band name.
I'm going to punish myself with it later. Don't think I've even listened to anything they released after Splinter.
Edit: just checked and no, I've never listened to any post Splinter albums. I've only seen them live once, and that was September '04. I think I just heard such bad things about their more recent albums I didn't even bother. I need to at least make my own mind up though.
It's really rare for any of those punk bands who were big In the 90s to still be making decent/relevant records. That's why NOFX are my favourite punk band. They are still putting out quality records nearly 40 years into their career!
Unfortunately bands like Green Day went the same way as Offspring for me.
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People say that Father Of All...by Green Day was a hot mess - when it really isn't. It's a fun, well produced and performed pop punk album.
People act like the entire album was as off the wall and bizarre as the falsetto vocal on the title track - which is actually a great rock and roll song.
Father Of All.. still has gems like Sugar Youth and Graffitia.
Meanwhile The Offspring have been sh*t for years now.
I know I LOVE Green Day but they've yet to do an out and out TERRIBLE album like a St Anger or a Concrete and Gold in my opinion.
Revolution Radio is a really good recent album.
EDIT : oh and i really really f-ing *hate* NOFX :lol.
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Ok so i'm checking out the new Offspring album and :| :| :|
I can't believe BOB ROCK produced this.
IT SOUNDS DREADFUL.
Has he gone deaf ?!
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Ok so i'm checking out the new Offspring album and :| :| :|
I can't believe BOB ROCK produced this.
IT SOUNDS DREADFUL.
Has he gone deaf ?!
He's 66. It's very possible his hearing is going.
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If not then he's fallen out with the band cause the production is horrendous. It's definitely their St. Anger.
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I haven't listened to this album but the guy who produced St. Anger also produced another album that sounds like St. Anger?
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I haven't listened to this album but the guy who produced St. Anger also produced another album that sounds like St. Anger?
It's not as bad as St. Anger, but the production is still pretty poor. I forgot Bob Rock produced St. Anger, so was the black album just a fluke, or does he have other notable albums that sound good?
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I haven't listened to this album but the guy who produced St. Anger also produced another album that sounds like St. Anger?
It's not as bad as St. Anger, but the production is still pretty poor. I forgot Bob Rock produced St. Anger, so was the black album just a fluke, or does he have other notable albums that sound good?
Load, ReLoad, Garage Inc and S&M all sound amazing. St. anger was deliberate. Good or bad. Dunno much of his other work.
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Yeah St Anger was supposed to sound raw as hell. It wasn't a huge accident or anything.
The New Offspring sounds like it was produced by the work experience kid.
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People say that Father Of All...by Green Day was a hot mess - when it really isn't. It's a fun, well produced and performed pop punk album.
People act like the entire album was as off the wall and bizarre as the falsetto vocal on the title track - which is actually a great rock and roll song.
Father Of All.. still has gems like Sugar Youth and Graffitia.
Meanwhile The Offspring have been sh*t for years now.
I know I LOVE Green Day but they've yet to do an out and out TERRIBLE album like a St Anger or a Concrete and Gold in my opinion.
Revolution Radio is a really good recent album.
EDIT : oh and i really really f-ing *hate* NOFX :lol.
Green Day were the first punk band I truly fell in love with. I was obsessed from like 2002-2005. They were the band that literally my whole friendship group were into. There wasn't a house party I went to at that time, where Green Day WASN'T playing.
I mean maybe it was just my tastes changing, but I was not a fan of the way their sound went after American Idiot. I have listened to Father of All... and can safely say I will never listen to that again. I was just not into it at all.
New Offspring is fine, it sounds like an Offspring album is all I can say really though.
If we're talking NOFX though. Hands down greatest punk band with the strongest catalogue going. If you compare Green Day and NOFX's 90s output, it's a close call. But if you compare their 2000s and 2010s output, NOFX fucking destroys them!!
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I can't get into NOFX's sound quality - Fat Mike's voice ( or his opinions ). And he's not a very good bass player.
( all IMO of course ).
None of Green Day's albums sound like they were recorded live to a ghetto blaster.
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If I may toot my own horn for a moment - :)
https://davidoakes.bandcamp.com/track/the-anomaly-part4
I think this track on my new album sounds pretty damn good and i'm not a multi million selling record producer.
Sometimes I wonder how the hell you fuck up a ROCK AND ROLL ALBUM. :(
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I can't get into NOFX's sound quality - Fat Mike's voice ( or his opinions ). And he's not a very good bass player.
( all IMO of course ).
None of Green Day's albums sound like they were recorded live to a ghetto blaster
It's a fair comment about Fat Mike. I agree (and so would he) that he's not a very good bass player. Eric Melvin isn't a particularly great guitar player either. I can also understand you not liking his opinions either, all fair comments.
NOFX are more than that for me. I love Fat Mike's song writing, I love the variation in their catalogue. I love their honesty. I love their live show, it's part stand up comedy, and they own the fact that they fuck up live a lot. It's just real and I like that. They've never signed to a major label and done things their own way.
They also wrote the greatest song ever written, so there's that.
As to your last comment, I guess I'm not too fussed on the production of albums. Some of NOFX's albums could sound better but I'd still take them over any album Green Day released in the last 15 years
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So my 3 year old said to me randomly... "hey, do you remember the song about going home?" Anyone who has kids know that their minds can be full of random thoughts, and those thoughts can come out at the most random times. Something they think happened "yesterday" really happened 3 months ago, and vice versa. I told her I didn't know what she was talking about, and she kept saying "you know, the song with the people, how they wanted to go home...."
5 minutes later I realized she was referring to this video she and I watched a few days ago, The Fendertones doing a cover of Sloop John B, which, yep, has lyrics about wanting to going home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmJ6e06eYcM
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I immediately thought of this absolute gem :
Mark Knopfler : Going Home (https://open.spotify.com/track/0wnzuUwUlbnCKixvp9aJZT?si=8100f76d7b6e4c75)
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If I may toot my own horn for a moment - :)
https://davidoakes.bandcamp.com/track/the-anomaly-part4
I think this track on my new album sounds pretty damn good and i'm not a multi million selling record producer.
That's excellent, man. In music and sound. Really enjoyed it. I recorded cobbled together a few songs last year and none of them sound like that. :lol
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Thank you. I have a bit of production training and a lot of it is trial and error.
Every album I make is a lesson.
:-)
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So I was reading an article from Ultimate-Guitar (don't know why I still read from that site, the quality of their content have gone horribly downhill for a good while now) and they questioned whether or not if Nu-Metal ruined metal.
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/did_nu_metal_ruin_metal.html
I don't think it did. Sure, the perceived trend and image of Nu-Metal was probably not good, highlighted by one Limp Bizkit, but there was a lot of solid bands from that period. System of a Down, Linkin Park, Korn, Disturbed, etc. That stated, I used to listen to Sirius XM Turbo (which highlights a lot of 90s and 00s hard rock which contains plenty of those Nu-Metal bands) and for every made band that I listed, there was like every 2-3 other bands I listen to and think, "Oh yeah, whatever happened to that band?"
Also, it's odd that a few bands from that period didn't really get a lot of attention from the non-rock mainstream circles as Disturbed or Korn like Chevelle or Sevendust, but oh well, those bands still have a steady career of solid music and is still well-known around the modern hard rock circles. As a guy that grew up around a period listening to those bands around the late 00s, I don't think Nu Metal as a whole deserved too much flack for any downfall of rock, but I'm also in the same mindset that it's pointless to blame bands like Creed and Nickelback for this perceived downfall of rock.
There's always going to be an evolving trend on what kids under 18 listen to and probably comes a point where the kids aren't listening to rock. Back then, there was a period where the kids listened to AC/DC, Van Halen, and Rush. Then, it came to the kids listening to Metallica and GNR. Then to Nirvana. Then to Disturbed and Linkin Park and Green Day and so forth. Nowadays, I don't know what the kids are listening to. It may sound good or not. Can't tell. Don't have time to invest in it, but we can't discourage them and hopefully, they can continue to find something exciting to listen to. I don't know where I was going in this ....... train of thought......
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The most underrated band from that Era just announced a reunion for Festivals...
Mudvayne, made some great albums and songs. Their last album was awesome and a damn shame they split before getting to tour and play these songs live.
I sure hope they play them live at these festivals, besides their hits that they always play.
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^^ Right, forgot about Mudvayne.
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Name a genre or sub-genre, and there's usually at least ONE band I listen to from it. Except nu-metal. Didn't like it then, and don't like it now. I kind of like some of the solo acoustic stuff that Aaron Lewis did, and the cover of "The Sound Of Silence" by Disturbed is excellent - particularly the vocal by David Draiman, who is a fascinating character - but by and large you can have all of it.
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Didn't want to post this in the concerts thread since this is a 2022 event, not 2021, but the Hellfest festival in France next year is pretty damn massive. It's going to be a seven-day festival that will span two weekends and loaded with a lot of massive bands. Who wants to make the trip overseas to France and spend two weeks there?
(https://townsquare.media/site/366/files/2021/06/attachment-hellfest_2022_lineup.jpg)
https://loudwire.com/hellfest-2022-lineup/
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Wow, so many bands I'd love to see.
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I love reading those and thinking, "huh, so-and-so is still a band? They still tour?!?"
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OK, everyone...You can go to Hellfest, but only for ONE day.
Which day do you choose?
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I would pick the Guns n Roses day. I would mainly be there for Myles Kennedy, but seeing bands like Dirty Honey, Epica, Airborune, and Nightwish seems like a nice bonus as well.
The second mainstage on June 17th seems to be within my neighborhood of bands that usually gets played on Octane. Shinedown, Mastodon, FFDP, and Volbeat. Opeth is on it as well.
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Probably Mercyful Fate day. Then Scorpions or Alice Cooper day.
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I'd pick Scorpions Day because the band I would want to see the most would be Helloween. But I'd also get UFO!!! Tribulation is also playing that day.
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Well, Scorpions day is the day with the most bands I like, so there's that.
I would like to see the Faith No More day, since I've never seen them and I LOVE Rival Sons.
I'd go to the Priest, Purple, Devin Townsend and G'n'R days as well.
There are a LOT of days there that I actively would NOT want to see, though. Sorry.
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So I love Metallica mastodon Green Day...
But last night I was listening to Rasputin by Boney M :biggrin: :metal That chorus is so good.
After that I listened to Super Trouper by Abba. Another amazing chorus.
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:lol
Both awesome tunes.
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The spoken word on Rasputin sounds exactly like Principal Skinner :lol
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What style of music to you think of when you hear the word Grunge?
I ask because all the 4 big Grunge bands (Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains & Soundgarden) generally sound nothing like each other. Nirvana were generally a mix of 80's college rock + punk, Pearl Jam more akin to classic rock, Alice were closer to metal and Soundgarden were kind off their own thing. So is grunge more about the time/place and fashion of the bands, rather than the music itself?
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What style of music to you think of when you hear the word Grunge?
I ask because all the 4 big Grunge bands (Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains & Soundgarden) generally sound nothing like each other. Nirvana were generally a mix of 80's college rock + punk, Pearl Jam more akin to classic rock, Alice were closer to metal and Soundgarden were kind off their own thing. So is grunge more about the time/place and fashion of the bands, rather than the music itself?
Grunge, musically, is just recycled Kiss, Zeppelin and Sabbath. Throw in some ripped jeans, a sweater, Chuck Taylors, maybe some board shorts and Doc Marten's, and you're there. :) :) :)
For the record, I love Alice and Soundgarden; I like Pearl Jam when it was still Stone and Jeff's band, and you can have Nirvana. One of the top three overrated bands of all time, IMO.
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I don't think of a specific musical style. Always felt the tag was fairly meaningless. More about a tribe / identity thing, maybe, but then the clothing style was ubiquitous before those bands were about (in the UK anyway). Odd, really.
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I'd like to think the media created that label.
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I don't think of a specific musical style. Always felt the tag was fairly meaningless. More about a tribe / identity thing, maybe, but then the clothing style was ubiquitous before those bands were about (in the UK anyway). Odd, really.
Not here in the states. Grunge was in many ways a reaction to the sheer ridiculousness of the sort of traditional rock music image (look at any pictures of Axl Rose around this time).
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I'm not a huge grunge guy, but I feel like a lot of it was a raw visceral response to what was perceived as rock becoming an overly polished product that focused more on glam and inauthentic presentation. Grunge could just come along and be a bunch of guys in ripped jeans playing sloppy basement rock, to contrast leather and spandex and big hair and such. Sure other sub-genres such as thrash metal were doing that to some degree, but this was a different style of music along with it. Kind of a back to the basics concept.
Maybe I'm off though.
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I think you're dead on Adami. It was anti hair metal. Anti glam.
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But the MUSIC wasn't all that different. There was a LOT of UFO, Black Sabbath, Kiss, and Aerosmith in grunge; the same MUSIC that fueled a lot of the West Coast glam scene to begin with.
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But the MUSIC wasn't all that different. There was a LOT of UFO, Black Sabbath, Kiss, and Aerosmith in grunge; the same MUSIC that fueled a lot of the West Coast glam scene to begin with.
And there's a lot of punk in metal. And there's a lot of blues in rock. And there's classical and/or jazz in prog. It took those elements and spoke to a different audience with it.
I don't think anyone is saying that Grunge invented a wholly new type of music that bore no resemblance to anything before it. I'm just saying their image, their style, their overall message was in response to a lot of the 80's stuff. I'm not sure why this is a disagreement.
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But the MUSIC wasn't all that different. There was a LOT of UFO, Black Sabbath, Kiss, and Aerosmith in grunge; the same MUSIC that fueled a lot of the West Coast glam scene to begin with.
And there's a lot of punk in metal. And there's a lot of blues in rock. And there's classical and/or jazz in prog. It took those elements and spoke to a different audience with it.
I don't think anyone is saying that Grunge invented a wholly new type of music that bore no resemblance to anything before it. I'm just saying their image, their style, their overall message was in response to a lot of the 80's stuff. I'm not sure why this is a disagreement.
No disagreement.
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But the MUSIC wasn't all that different. There was a LOT of UFO, Black Sabbath, Kiss, and Aerosmith in grunge; the same MUSIC that fueled a lot of the West Coast glam scene to begin with.
I mentioned it a few times in the UFO listening party of Tim's but I was astounded how many times listening to some old UFO that Pearl Jam popped into my mind. There's quite a few sings that can't help Pearl Jam and Eddie Vedder popping into my mind.
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Soundgarden was also the most obvious metal/grunge crossover band in the early days. I hated calling them grunge, but they never could escape that tag.
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To me, my impression of Soundgarden was always a mixture of Led Zeppelin meets Black Sabbath and that they are different than Alice in Chains and everyone in that group along with Pearl Jam and Nirvana don't really have much in common other than they were from Seattle and they did have similar circles of musician friends, but soundwise? They don't have much in common with each other.
I think my main issues with the tags of them and Alice in Chains being labeled Grunge is that I think that certain music circles thinks that Grunge musicians are not "proficient" musicians which far from the truth. Do you want to say that guys like Kim Thyail, Jerry Cantrell, and Chris Cornell are not great top-notch musicians that knows how to structure compelling songs?
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But the MUSIC wasn't all that different. There was a LOT of UFO, Black Sabbath, Kiss, and Aerosmith in grunge; the same MUSIC that fueled a lot of the West Coast glam scene to begin with.
And there's a lot of punk in metal. And there's a lot of blues in rock. And there's classical and/or jazz in prog. It took those elements and spoke to a different audience with it.
I don't think anyone is saying that Grunge invented a wholly new type of music that bore no resemblance to anything before it. I'm just saying their image, their style, their overall message was in response to a lot of the 80's stuff. I'm not sure why this is a disagreement.
No disagreement.
WHO THE HELL ARE YOU
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To me, my impression of Soundgarden was always a mixture of Led Zeppelin meets Black Sabbath and that they are different than Alice in Chains and everyone in that group along with Pearl Jam and Nirvana don't really have much in common other than they were from Seattle and they did have similar circles of musician friends, but soundwise? They don't have much in common with each other.
I think my main issues with the tags of them and Alice in Chains being labeled Grunge is that I think that certain music circles thinks that Grunge musicians are not "proficient" musicians which far from the truth. Do you want to say that guys like Kim Thyail, Jerry Cantrell, and Chris Cornell are not great top-notch musicians that knows how to structure compelling songs?
Can't say I've heard that said about grunge musicians truthfully.
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Oh look - a Kotowboy Hot Take...
Nirvana were the worst of the big Grunge bands.
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Not a hot take. I agree. I never liked them.
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Nothing wrong with Nirvana.
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Oh look - a Kotowboy Hot Take...
Nirvana were the worst of the big Grunge bands.
Oh the big 4 I agree with you but I've heard worse from that era.
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If I were to rank them...it'd be like this...
Alice In Chains
Soundgarden (Lower than AIC only because I haven't heard their albums much, but the songs I have heard are better than the following...)
Pearl Jam
Nirvana
Alice In Chains, has some great guitar. And the album I actually prefer is there EP Jar of Flies. I like how these are all acoustic based songs and require Layne to utilize his voice. Which this album does by showcasing how good his vocals are.
Soundgarden did the same as well.
Pearl Jam, I mainly only got into Ten and that's all. Some great songs on that one too. And I like the bass tone on that album.
I only like a couple songs from Nirvana, the rest I don't really care for much. Mainly cause of Cobain's vocals and just their droopy sound they had.
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To me, my impression of Soundgarden was always a mixture of Led Zeppelin meets Black Sabbath and that they are different than Alice in Chains and everyone in that group along with Pearl Jam and Nirvana don't really have much in common other than they were from Seattle and they did have similar circles of musician friends, but soundwise? They don't have much in common with each other.
I think my main issues with the tags of them and Alice in Chains being labeled Grunge is that I think that certain music circles thinks that Grunge musicians are not "proficient" musicians which far from the truth. Do you want to say that guys like Kim Thyail, Jerry Cantrell, and Chris Cornell are not great top-notch musicians that knows how to structure compelling songs?
Can't say I've heard that said about grunge musicians truthfully.
Yeah me neither. Aside from a lot of dismissing of Cobains Guitar ability, the other three bands (and Grohl is a great drummer) are stocked with great players.
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To me, my impression of Soundgarden was always a mixture of Led Zeppelin meets Black Sabbath and that they are different than Alice in Chains and everyone in that group along with Pearl Jam and Nirvana don't really have much in common other than they were from Seattle and they did have similar circles of musician friends, but soundwise? They don't have much in common with each other.
I think my main issues with the tags of them and Alice in Chains being labeled Grunge is that I think that certain music circles thinks that Grunge musicians are not "proficient" musicians which far from the truth. Do you want to say that guys like Kim Thyail, Jerry Cantrell, and Chris Cornell are not great top-notch musicians that knows how to structure compelling songs?
Can't say I've heard that said about grunge musicians truthfully.
Yeah me neither. Aside from a lot of dismissing of Cobains Guitar ability, the other three bands (and Grohl is a great drummer) are stocked with great players.
That's exactly what I thought the comment may be aimed at. But apart from that, yeah great musicians.
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Bleach was ok. Nevermind is obviously great and In Utero was really nothing special. If Bleach was followed by In Utero nobody would be talking about Nirvana any more.
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My ranking would be slightly different:
AIC
Pearl Jam
Soundgarden
Nirvana
I think with Nirvana my favorite album was their unplugged album, I think it was one of the best unplugged sets to come from that MTV series.
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Not a hot take. I agree. I never liked them.
Me too; one of my top two or three most overrated bands in rock.
Soundgarden/AIC
Stone and Jeff's Pearl Jam (Ten, Vs.)
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Eddie's Pearl Jam (Vitalogy and everything after...)
Nirvana
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Me too; one of my top two or three most overrated bands in rock.
Who are your other 2?
Seems a good a place as any to do this...
Most overrated rock band :-
Oasis for me - god awful unoriginal dad/pub rock dirge, lead by the brothers grimm.
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Not a hot take. I agree. I never liked them.
Me too; one of my top two or three most overrated bands in rock.
Soundgarden/AIC
Stone and Jeff's Pearl Jam (Ten, Vs.)
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Eddie's Pearl Jam (Vitalogy and everything after...)
Nirvana
It's so funny how perspective shifts over time. Ten years ago, I'd be with you there word for word, but in recent years, 'Eddie's' PJ has been some of my most listened to music. I now consider Binaural and No Code to be near-flawless albums and freaking listened to that Avacado one for three months straight.
And Nirvana, a band I had little use for 25 years ago, has been a pleasent surprise as well. Bleach and In Utero have gotten some serious play in recent years.
That all being said, Soundgarden has ALWAYS been a top-5 band for me, and I still consider Superunknown the bestmy favourite album of the 90's.
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Me too; one of my top two or three most overrated bands in rock.
Who are your other 2?
Seems a good a place as any to do this...
Most overrated rock band :-
Oasis for me - god awful unoriginal dad/pub rock dirge, lead by the brothers grimm.
Dammit, I love Oasis!
I have to think about this a bit... contenders are Red Hot Chili Peppers (but I resist that because Flea and Chad as such good musicians), Ratt, Motley Crue, Radiohead, Green Day, The Ramones.
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Not a hot take. I agree. I never liked them.
Me too; one of my top two or three most overrated bands in rock.
Soundgarden/AIC
Stone and Jeff's Pearl Jam (Ten, Vs.)
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Eddie's Pearl Jam (Vitalogy and everything after...)
Nirvana
It's so funny how perspective shifts over time. Ten years ago, I'd be with you there word for word, but in recent years, 'Eddie's' PJ has been some of my most listened to music. I now consider Binaural and No Code to be near-flawless albums and freaking listened to that Avacado one for three months straight.
And Nirvana, a band I had little use for 25 years ago, has been a pleasent surprise as well. Bleach and In Utero have gotten some serious play in recent years.
That all being said, Soundgarden has ALWAYS been a top-5 band for me, and I still consider Superunknown the bestmy favourite album of the 90's.
Binaural and Yield are the two best of the "Eddie Years". You can have No Code. For me it's No Bueno.
I tried with Nirvana, I really did. I bought the box set for $5 online, figuring once I got past the commerciality of Nevermind, maybe there'd be something. Acoustic is always good (I LOVE the Unlplugged record), but... nope. Some decent songwriting, but a lot of average playing, and sorry, but Kurt's snarky too-cool-for-school attitude is supremely off-putting. I consider him one of the bigger hypocrites to come out of that era. I hate speculation, and usually chide others for assuming they know what someone else is thinking, but I'll cop to believing deep down that Cobain knew it; he craved the very thing he purported to reject, and the snide, snarky snobbery was his shield to hide that.
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Me too; one of my top two or three most overrated bands in rock.
Who are your other 2?
Seems a good a place as any to do this...
Most overrated rock band :-
Oasis for me - god awful unoriginal dad/pub rock dirge, lead by the brothers grimm.
Dammit, I love Oasis!
I have to think about this a bit... contenders are Red Hot Chili Peppers (but I resist that because Flea and Chad as such good musicians), Ratt, Motley Crue, Radiohead, Green Day, The Ramones.
I've been going through the RHCP discography slowly over the past few months and I think they are pretty overrated. There are some great songs here and there but the rest of the stuff is largely forgettable in my eyes.
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Not a hot take. I agree. I never liked them.
Me too; one of my top two or three most overrated bands in rock.
Soundgarden/AIC
Stone and Jeff's Pearl Jam (Ten, Vs.)
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Eddie's Pearl Jam (Vitalogy and everything after...)
Nirvana
Yield
(Self Titled)
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Those are my three favorites from the later era.
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Me too; one of my top two or three most overrated bands in rock.
Who are your other 2?
Seems a good a place as any to do this...
Most overrated rock band :-
Oasis for me - god awful unoriginal dad/pub rock dirge, lead by the brothers grimm.
Dammit, I love Oasis!
I have to think about this a bit... contenders are Red Hot Chili Peppers (but I resist that because Flea and Chad as such good musicians), Ratt, Motley Crue, Radiohead, Green Day, The Ramones.
LOL Sorry!
If it's any consolation I like Nirvana, Chili's, Radiohead and Green Day - But Motley Crue can f**k right off! :)
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I never really thought that Alice in Chains was actually grunge. They were from the Seattle area at that same time, but I didn't think that they sounded enough like those other bands to be the same distinction.
But I'm not going to argue with anyone who disagrees.
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To me, my impression of Soundgarden was always a mixture of Led Zeppelin meets Black Sabbath and that they are different than Alice in Chains and everyone in that group along with Pearl Jam and Nirvana don't really have much in common other than they were from Seattle and they did have similar circles of musician friends, but soundwise? They don't have much in common with each other.
I think my main issues with the tags of them and Alice in Chains being labeled Grunge is that I think that certain music circles thinks that Grunge musicians are not "proficient" musicians which far from the truth. Do you want to say that guys like Kim Thyail, Jerry Cantrell, and Chris Cornell are not great top-notch musicians that knows how to structure compelling songs?
Can't say I've heard that said about grunge musicians truthfully.
Yeah me neither. Aside from a lot of dismissing of Cobains Guitar ability, the other three bands (and Grohl is a great drummer) are stocked with great players.
That's exactly what I thought the comment may be aimed at. But apart from that, yeah great musicians.
Yeah, that and I think what the Grunge-era bands was doing in comparison to everything else at the time was cutting out excessive fluff (i.e. long pointless guitar solos. Not cut solos entirely, but the solos are more straight to the point that suits the songs) and be more straight to the point about lyrical matters and I had this impression certain people think those guys didn't know how to "play." Basically, removing any overindulgence that glam/hair metal bands were known for. I don't even know if my comments make sense, but that was my impression on what naysayers think about the Grunge era.
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So I was never a Nirvana person, obviously. I loved the Unplugged In New York album for some reason. I thought it was fantastic. I should also say that this was in a ...transitional period in my life. ;D
Anyway, the husband of a girl I worked with at the time was looking for a drummer to play in his Nirvana tribute band. She asked if I was interested in jamming and I said sure. So she gave me a tape of a 12-15 Nirvana tunes.
So I get there..they had drums already set up. The girl's husband..holy shit, left handed guitarist, dark yellowish sweater, he looked just like Cobain. And the bass player, a tall thin dude.
Anyway, I learned the songs and played. Had a great session, got baked, and was a great afternoon. I didn't get the gig, not that I cared honestly. I think they would've made me wear a wig anyway.
But my point was that while Grohl is a really good drummer, the drum parts weren't difficult at all. But they were fun as hell. I enjoyed playing those songs, and found a new appreciation for them. Simple, sure, but totally fun.
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So I was never a Nirvana person, obviously. I loved the Unplugged In New York album for some reason. I thought it was fantastic. I should also say that this was in a ...transitional period in my life. ;D
Anyway, the husband of a girl I worked with at the time was looking for a drummer to play in his Nirvana tribute band. She asked if I was interested in jamming and I said sure. So she gave me a tape of a 12-15 Nirvana tunes.
So I get there..they had drums already set up. The girl's husband..holy shit, left handed guitarist, dark yellowish sweater, he looked just like Cobain. And the bass player, a tall thin dude.
Anyway, I learned the songs and played. Had a great session, got baked, and was a great afternoon. I didn't get the gig, not that I cared honestly. I think they would've made me wear a wig anyway.
But my point was that while Grohl is a really good drummer, the drum parts weren't difficult at all. But they were fun as hell. I enjoyed playing those songs, and found a new appreciation for them. Simple, sure, but totally fun.
I SHOULD like Dave Grohl more than I do, but there's something about him that I don't like. He's almost a bit too earnest. It almost seems a little fake, really. I think his shtick is just high energy rather than any intricate drumming chops.
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Well, as a drummer, I don't really pay attention. As the frontman of the Foo Fighters, I think he's great. Although I don't really care for their music, I could watch live clips from them or interviews with Dave on youtube all night.
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I love Dave. He's ernest. I music geek and one hell of a frontman.
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Dismissing Cobain's guitar ability is fine because he was not a notable guitarist, but a great songwriter who is an average player is, to me, almost always more valuable than a great player who is an average songwriter.
Note: I am not saying Cobain WAS a great songwriter, but I know a lot of people will say he was. The point being that songwriting is almost always what makes legends, not one's ability to play an instrument well. There are exceptions of course.
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I've been into FF since Day 1 pretty much and was in school in the mid 90s and told my friend to remember the name Foo Fighters as they were gonna be big.
But it annoys me just how much of their stuff is GREAT and how much is middle of the road adult rock or how every album comes with a gimmick.
They SHOULD be better than they are. They're a ROCK band who usually forget they're a rock band. And the most recent album where they remembered
( Concrete and Gold ) is by far their worst release. Medicine At Midnight is a decent album but it's not Wasting Light or The Colour And The Shape.
Also - I can't bear bands who seem to think every ballad should be barely strummed acoustics, drums tapped with brushes and whispered vocals.
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Me too; one of my top two or three most overrated bands in rock.
Who are your other 2?
Seems a good a place as any to do this...
Most overrated rock band :-
Oasis for me - god awful unoriginal dad/pub rock dirge, lead by the brothers grimm.
Dammit, I love Oasis!
I have to think about this a bit... contenders are Red Hot Chili Peppers (but I resist that because Flea and Chad as such good musicians), Ratt, Motley Crue, Radiohead, Green Day, The Ramones.
LOL Sorry!
If it's any consolation I like Nirvana, Chili's, Radiohead and Green Day - But Motley Crue can f**k right off! :)
Over rated to me usually means they don't have ANY good songs. Oasis clearly had some classic tunes. Yes Wonderwall is overplayed but hearing it in 1995 - it didn't sound like anyone else
and it WAS original back then.
I'd call bands like White Stripes, Flaming Lips, Rolling Stones over rated as I hate everything they've done.
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I don't like The Stones either but I'm guessing their sound was WAY more of a stylistic breath of fresh air in the 60s than Oasis's was in the 90s.
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Over rated to me usually means they don't have ANY good songs.
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I'd call bands like ... Rolling Stones over rated as I hate everything they've done.
But that's contradictory; despite what YOU like or not (for example, I LIKE Green Day, I still think they are overrated; they don't belong anywhere NEAR the RnRHoF) to say the Stones don't have "ANY good songs" is ridiculous. Satisfaction, Honky Tonk Women, Gimme Shelter, Some Girls, Jumpin' Jack Flash, Brown Sugar, It's Only Rock And Roll, Angie, Sympathy For The Devil.... c'mon.
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For me - all those songs are lumpen and as caveman as they come.
it's like bands like Black Rebel Motorcycle Club and Black Keys today STILL doing 12 bar blues / Minor pentatonic songs.
I genuinely have only ever liked one Rolling Stones song in my life and it was from a couple of years ago called Doom and Gloom.
But only then cause it sounded like The Hives :lol
Plus all the live footage i've ever seen of them - they're as sloppy as you can get. Your average weekend warrior band are probably tighter.
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For me - all those songs are lumpen and as caveman as they come.
it's like bands like Black Rebel Motorcycle Club and Black Keys today STILL doing 12 bar blues / Minor pentatonic songs.
I genuinely have only ever liked one Rolling Stones song in my life and it was from a couple of years ago called Doom and Gloom.
But only then cause it sounded like The Hives :lol
Plus all the live footage i've ever seen of them - they're as sloppy as you can get. Your average weekend warrior band are probably tighter.
But surely you cannot deny that those are legendary songs. Iconic, even (even though that word is way overused lately).
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Listening to Diamond Days from the Outfield. A lot album for me. I haven't listened to is in a long time. Quite refreshing.
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Listening to Diamond Days from the Outfield. A lot album for me. I haven't listened to is in a long time. Quite refreshing.
I love The Outfield, but I'm not sure I'm familiar with that one. I checked Wikipedia to see what was on it and didn't realize that not only has John Spinks died but so has Tony Lewis.
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Pretty sure the drummer from The Outfield played on Alice Cooper’s Last Temptation album.
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Listening to Diamond Days from the Outfield. A lot album for me. I haven't listened to is in a long time. Quite refreshing.
I love The Outfield, but I'm not sure I'm familiar with that one. I checked Wikipedia to see what was on it and didn't realize that not only has John Spinks died but so has Tony Lewis.
Tony was just recently. Sad. They were supposed to do a reunion album by John relapsed with his cancer and passed away. This was their 4th album. 1st without the original drummer. The big signal was "For You."
Tim, was it the original drummer?
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Pretty sure the drummer from The Outfield played on Alice Cooper’s Last Temptation album.
Nope. It was the drummer from The Hooters.
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Don't like Jaggers voice. Don't like Keith's guitar playing. The songs have drums on I guess.
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As much as I’ve tried I can’t get into Devin Townsend. He’s so hyped around here, and I don’t get it.
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As much as I’ve tried I can’t get into Devin Townsend. He’s so hyped around here, and I don’t get it.
Same here.
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What made me a fan of Devin wasn't his screaming and spearing vocals. It's his songwriting. And I never really got into it until The Devin Townsend Project came to be and he released Addicted. I even got the shirt package.
Oddly enough, it's Annekes version of Hyperdrive which really pulled me in, and that got me into Ziltoid, I still prefer Hyperdrive! from Addicted more so than Ziltoid. Color My World and The Grey's became my favorites due to the concept of the songs.
I prefer his calmer stuff more. I do not really enjoy Strapping Young Lad as much either.
I actually like the bonus cd with his Project EKO that is packaged with Accelerated Evolution.
And Empath is his best album he has released so far.
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Empath is good, but I would say it is one of his least best records. It's a bit too scattershot, and there are no god tier songs on it.
Devin is very much an outlier for me, as I don't think I am fan of anyone else who does screaming vocals (which Devin does sometimes), yet Devin is not only one of my favorite artists, but my favorite song of his is one where pretty much all of his vocals in it are screamed (Addicted).
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What made me a fan of Devin wasn't his screaming and spearing vocals. It's his songwriting. And I never really got into it until The Devin Townsend Project came to be and he released Addicted. I even got the shirt package.
Oddly enough, it's Annekes version of Hyperdrive which really pulled me in, and that got me into Ziltoid, I still prefer Hyperdrive! from Addicted more so than Ziltoid. Color My World and The Grey's became my favorites due to the concept of the songs.
I prefer his calmer stuff more. I do not really enjoy Strapping Young Lad as much either.
I actually like the bonus cd with his Project EKO that is packaged with Accelerated Evolution.
And Empath is his best album he has released so far.
I’ve heard Hyperdrive on Addicted. I actually like that. I didn’t know there was a different version.
As far as Empath, I don’t think I got past the first couple songs. It’s like, the songs are too scatterbrained. For lack of a better term.
I want to keep trying because there are members here (for instance Kevshmev) who I seem to agree with a lot on our musical tastes. But then they praise Devin and I’m like, “what am I missing??”
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Empath is good, but I would say it is one of his least best records. It's a bit too scattershot, and there are no god tier songs on it.
Devin is very much an outlier for me, as I don't think I am fan of anyone else who does screaming vocals (which Devin does sometimes), yet Devin is not only one of my favorite artists, but my favorite song of his is one where pretty much all of his vocals in it are screamed (Addicted).
I mentioned you in my comment before ever seeing that you chimed in. So there ya go!
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I want to keep trying because there are members here (for instance Kevshmev) who I seem to agree with a lot on our musical tastes. But then they praise Devin and I’m like, “what am I missing??”
He is definitely not for everyone, so I get it when some do not take to his music. Not sure how much of his material you have heard, but I would never recommend that anyone try to get into him by listening to something as scattershot as Empath. Infinity and Terria were integral in making me a fan early on, and I think albums like Addicted, Accelerated Evolution and Epicloud are great and accessible enough to grab someone right away.
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Empath is good, but I would say it is one of his least best records. It's a bit too scattershot, and there are no god tier songs on it.
Devin is very much an outlier for me, as I don't think I am fan of anyone else who does screaming vocals (which Devin does sometimes), yet Devin is not only one of my favorite artists, but my favorite song of his is one where pretty much all of his vocals in it are screamed (Addicted).
Why?, is "god-tier" to me.
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I actually find the bonus disc (Tests of Manhood) to be better than the proper album.
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Empath is good, but I would say it is one of his least best records. It's a bit too scattershot, and there are no god tier songs on it.
Devin is very much an outlier for me, as I don't think I am fan of anyone else who does screaming vocals (which Devin does sometimes), yet Devin is not only one of my favorite artists, but my favorite song of his is one where pretty much all of his vocals in it are screamed (Addicted).
You and me both I intensely dislike screamed vocals, but since SYL, he's found a way to make them fit. I know you mentioned the song, but the album Addicted! is an AMAZING record, and right now my favorite of his. I love how his vocals sort of contrast with Anneke's on songs like Bend it Like Bender! and Numbered!
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Empath is good, but I would say it is one of his least best records. It's a bit too scattershot, and there are no god tier songs on it.
Devin is very much an outlier for me, as I don't think I am fan of anyone else who does screaming vocals (which Devin does sometimes), yet Devin is not only one of my favorite artists, but my favorite song of his is one where pretty much all of his vocals in it are screamed (Addicted).
You and me both I intensely dislike screamed vocals, but since SYL, he's found a way to make them fit. I know you mentioned the song, but the album Addicted! is an AMAZING record, and right now my favorite of his. I love how his vocals sort of contrast with Anneke's on songs like Bend it Like Bender! and Numbered!
Yep, amazing album. I still think Terria is his best and most accomplished work to date, but Addicted is my favorite, if you catch my drift. ;)
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Empath is good, but I would say it is one of his least best records. It's a bit too scattershot, and there are no god tier songs on it.
Devin is very much an outlier for me, as I don't think I am fan of anyone else who does screaming vocals (which Devin does sometimes), yet Devin is not only one of my favorite artists, but my favorite song of his is one where pretty much all of his vocals in it are screamed (Addicted).
Fine. I will give Terria a re-listen this week. It had good moments but I just could NOT get into much of it. The production alone is horrible to my ears. But I’ll give it another try this week and see.
You and me both I intensely dislike screamed vocals, but since SYL, he's found a way to make them fit. I know you mentioned the song, but the album Addicted! is an AMAZING record, and right now my favorite of his. I love how his vocals sort of contrast with Anneke's on songs like Bend it Like Bender! and Numbered!
Yep, amazing album. I still think Terria is his best and most accomplished work to date, but Addicted is my favorite, if you catch my drift. ;)
Fine. I will give Terria a re-listen this week. It had good moments but I just could NOT get into much of it. The production alone is horrible to my ears. But I’ll give it another try this week and see.
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Empath is good, but I would say it is one of his least best records. It's a bit too scattershot, and there are no god tier songs on it.
Devin is very much an outlier for me, as I don't think I am fan of anyone else who does screaming vocals (which Devin does sometimes), yet Devin is not only one of my favorite artists, but my favorite song of his is one where pretty much all of his vocals in it are screamed (Addicted).
Why?, is "god-tier" to me.
Yes.
Empath is still my go-to Dev album but would probably go Epicloud as a gateway recommend. I started on AE then Terria.
He is a top banana.
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Empath is good, but I would say it is one of his least best records. It's a bit too scattershot, and there are no god tier songs on it.
Devin is very much an outlier for me, as I don't think I am fan of anyone else who does screaming vocals (which Devin does sometimes), yet Devin is not only one of my favorite artists, but my favorite song of his is one where pretty much all of his vocals in it are screamed (Addicted).
You and me both I intensely dislike screamed vocals, but since SYL, he's found a way to make them fit. I know you mentioned the song, but the album Addicted! is an AMAZING record, and right now my favorite of his. I love how his vocals sort of contrast with Anneke's on songs like Bend it Like Bender! and Numbered!
Yep, amazing album. I still think Terria is his best and most accomplished work to date, but Addicted is my favorite, if you catch my drift. ;)
100%.
Check out, if you haven't already, the "By A Thread" performance of "Addicted!". A joy.
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Check out, if you haven't already, the "By A Thread" performance of "Addicted!". A joy.
I prefer the Retinal Circus version, as far as live versions go, but you can't go wrong with either. :metal :metal
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Me too; one of my top two or three most overrated bands in rock.
Who are your other 2?
Seems a good a place as any to do this...
Most overrated rock band :-
Oasis for me - god awful unoriginal dad/pub rock dirge, lead by the brothers grimm.
Dammit, I love Oasis!
I have to think about this a bit... contenders are Red Hot Chili Peppers (but I resist that because Flea and Chad as such good musicians), Ratt, Motley Crue, Radiohead, Green Day, The Ramones.
LOL Sorry!
If it's any consolation I like Nirvana, Chili's, Radiohead and Green Day - But Motley Crue can f**k right off! :)
Over rated to me usually means they don't have ANY good songs. Oasis clearly had some classic tunes. Yes Wonderwall is overplayed but hearing it in 1995 - it didn't sound like anyone else
and it WAS original back then.
I'd call bands like White Stripes, Flaming Lips, Rolling Stones over rated as I hate everything they've done.
Oasis have always felt retro to me and 'Wonderwall' is the staple go to song at karaoke of the utter wanker, along with 'Gold' by Spandau Ballet.
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Oasis have always felt retro to me and 'Wonderwall' is the staple go to song at karaoke of the utter wanker
:rollin
The lyrics and delivery in the chorus are proper face-in-hands, grimacing misery for me. Can't stand it.
But they had a few tracks showed a cool core thing. On the swaggering, heavy front (rock and roll star, cigarettes & alcohol, roll with it, morning glory, some might say) they had some greatness. The guitars sounded large and fantastic, the vocals were really sneery.
Most all their other stuff irritates me. The Beatles-esque, crappy nursery rhyme lyrics and reaches for sentimentality grate hard.
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Love Oasis personally. We're great live and Be Here Now is an underrated gem.
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As much as I’ve tried I can’t get into Devin Townsend. He’s so hyped around here, and I don’t get it.
Same here.
I like the odd song here and there but it all sounds so similar that I can't enjoy it. I like the first Ziltoid album and some of Addicted! But he needs to stop having 100 tracks on every song.
It all sounds so samey - plus he and Trent Reznor do the Major third melody over a minor progression thing way too much. It's in almost every song.
Love Oasis personally. We're great live and Be Here Now is an underrated gem.
I saw them twice and they could deffo play. Alan was their best drummer by a mile. I just hated Liam and his voice.
Compared to bands like Black Keys and Black Rebel Motorcycle Club etc - Oasis sounded very original and not just 12 bar boogies with distortion pedals.
Kasabian can f--- off though.
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Oasis have always felt retro to me and 'Wonderwall' is the staple go to song at karaoke of the utter wanker
:rollin
The lyrics and delivery in the chorus are proper face-in-hands, grimacing misery for me. Can't stand it.
But they had a few tracks showed a cool core thing. On the swaggering, heavy front (rock and roll star, cigarettes & alcohol, roll with it, morning glory, some might say) they had some greatness. The guitars sounded large and fantastic, the vocals were really sneery.
Most all their other stuff irritates me. The Beatles-esque, crappy nursery rhyme lyrics and reaches for sentimentality grate hard.
Haha, that's kind of exactly why I like them!!!
Plus, anyone who's on the fence about them, find some of the live tracks from the Definitely Maybe DVD; they're not Dream Theater, but it's a high energy delivery for real.
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As much as I’ve tried I can’t get into Devin Townsend. He’s so hyped around here, and I don’t get it.
Same here.
I like the odd song here and there but it all sounds so similar that I can't enjoy it. I like the first Ziltoid album and some of Addicted! But he needs to stop having 100 tracks on every song.
It all sounds so samey - plus he and Trent Reznor do the Major third melody over a minor progression thing way too much. It's in almost every song.
Undoubtedly Devin is an acquired taste, and he's not for everyone. I know for me, I HATED him - well, his music - for a long time. I do not like the screaming vocals, generally. But as I sort of got into him - I read his autobiography, I've listened to a lot of video/interviews by him - and I realized that FOR ME, it was more than just "stringing notes together". I like the ethos. I like the process. I like all that sort of goes around Devin, and that makes the music more attractive to me. I don't suppose that's the same for everyone, but for me, I only started to like Devin's music once I started to understand and like the man.
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Oasis have always felt retro to me and 'Wonderwall' is the staple go to song at karaoke of the utter wanker
:rollin
The lyrics and delivery in the chorus are proper face-in-hands, grimacing misery for me. Can't stand it.
But they had a few tracks showed a cool core thing. On the swaggering, heavy front (rock and roll star, cigarettes & alcohol, roll with it, morning glory, some might say) they had some greatness. The guitars sounded large and fantastic, the vocals were really sneery.
Most all their other stuff irritates me. The Beatles-esque, crappy nursery rhyme lyrics and reaches for sentimentality grate hard.
Haha, that's kind of exactly why I like them!!!
;D Cool, man.
Devin is so great. The variation of styles is really something. From industrial death metal, to emotive prog, to ambience, to country, pop-rock, stripped down metal with almost no distortion, world music, orchestral touches, choirs, show tunes, classic metal, polka. His creativity is so much wider than almost any bands I can think of. Brilliant.
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Oasis have always felt retro to me and 'Wonderwall' is the staple go to song at karaoke of the utter wanker, along with 'Gold' by Spandau Ballet.
You and I are hanging out at different joints. I had to YouTube both those songs. The Oasis one sounded vaguely familiar, but I do not know if it is because of that song specifically, or if that song just sounds like everything else of theirs that I might have heard.
I haven't heard much Devin. I didn't like what I little I did hear so didn't bother, but then someone Roulette'd me a song of his liked.
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Oasis have always felt retro to me and 'Wonderwall' is the staple go to song at karaoke of the utter wanker, along with 'Gold' by Spandau Ballet.
You and I are hanging out at different joints. I had to YouTube both those songs. The Oasis one sounded vaguely familiar, but I do not know if it is because of that song specifically, or if that song just sounds like everything else of theirs that I might have heard.
I haven't heard much Devin. I didn't like what I little I did hear so didn't bother, but then someone Roulette'd me a song of his liked.
I am not here to pimp Devin's music; you either like him or you don't and my life goes on unaffected.
But I will say this: much like "whether you like Neil Young or not depends on what album you hear", so Devin. Even within the first four DTP records, they are VERY VERY different. Even though I'm a fan and I like him, I don't have (and probably won't get) any of the Strapping Young Lad stuff. It's just not where my headspace is (or his either, if you listen to his interviews).
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Oasis have always felt retro to me and 'Wonderwall' is the staple go to song at karaoke of the utter wanker, along with 'Gold' by Spandau Ballet.
You and I are hanging out at different joints. I had to YouTube both those songs. The Oasis one sounded vaguely familiar, but I do not know if it is because of that song specifically, or if that song just sounds like everything else of theirs that I might have heard.
I haven't heard much Devin. I didn't like what I little I did hear so didn't bother, but then someone Roulette'd me a song of his liked.
I am not here to pimp Devin's music; you either like him or you don't and my life goes on unaffected.
But I will say this: much like "whether you like Neil Young or not depends on what album you hear", so Devin. Even within the first four DTP records, they are VERY VERY different. Even though I'm a fan and I like him, I don't have (and probably won't get) any of the Strapping Young Lad stuff. It's just not where my headspace is (or his either, if you listen to his interviews).
If you want into his headspace Empath is that album.
I guess I'm the lone wolf in appreciating the disjointed sound of Empath. The lyrics are a key aspect of the album. I really wish that Animal Painting within the album art was the actual album art, as that perfectly represents what the album sounds like to me.
Being washed up ashore on an island, as you witness the creation of animals and people.
The music perfectly describes life and it's chaotic, disjointed, structure. Try the Papaya..
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You're not alone. :) I'd kind of had Dev overload by the time Empath came out so didn't touch it until a few months after it's release. But when I did I immediately loved it and it remains my go-to Dev spread.
Never once felt like it's disjointed, even though the styles are so wide. Flows brilliantly to my ears.
Mind you, I was already a huge fan of almost everything he'd done at that point so wasn't shocked. (I'm still delighted with the transition from Hear Me to Why) I would think Empath is a bit broad for a gateway record. ;)
Dev's another one of those fundamental artists like Dream Theater for me, that pushed me as a listener and opened my horizons. It took a little time to get into his style, vibe and complexity. He is not your standard listen.
(Clearly I AM here to pimp Dev.)
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Am I the only one who ever wonders if the majority of people here really only listen to prog/metal/related genres? I know there are people here who listen to other stuff too, but sometimes it seems like that is a very small number of people.
Prog is probably my favorite genre, but I would lose my mind if that was all I ever listened to.
And this is not an indictment - people should listen to what they like.
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Am I the only one who ever wonders if the majority of people here really only listen to prog/metal/related genres? I know there are people here who listen to other stuff too, but sometimes it seems like that is a very small number of people.
Prog is probably my favorite genre, but I would lose my mind if that was all I ever listened to.
And this is not an indictment - people should listen to what they like.
I'm with you on all that: the wonder, and the lack of judgement for that. I think as a generality there is a preference for MOST - not all - people to a) find what they like and stick to it, and b) think that what they like is somehow equatable to what is "good".
It happens in too many ways across too many genres and too many demographics to be an anomaly.
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Dream Theater are my favourite of their type of music. I don't really like any other modern Prog Metal band unless you count TOOL - but they're almost their own genre. They're TOOL.
Don't like Haken or Styx etc etc.
I say it a lot but I like BANDS not genres. I love Metallica. Hate Slayer, Anthrax, Megadeth etc etc. Love Green Day. Hate Blink 182. Bowling For Soup. Sum 41. Etc etc.
For me it's the songs and the singing. Not - oh this band reminds me of a band I like - i shall also buy all their albums too.
I used to know a guy who only bought metal CDs and didn't rank them on how good the songs / albums were - but how HEAVY they were... :lolpalm:
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I heard double CDs were heavier than single CDs.
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I used to be shallow with my music. But I am not that immature high school kid anymore.
I just listen to whatever I find myself enjoying now. Regardless of genre, singer, if it sounds like anything else. I view music now with no expectations. And I am finding it to be well worth not having any expectation for music, as I am enjoying a lot of music that most people are finding not to their liking, and usually people respond with "I did not expect" and their expectations were not met so they became disappointed and it affected how they enjoyed the song/album/band. I would usually listen to songs from throughout their catalog if I can, or from their most recent album, their debut, and their most famous album.
This stems from my perception of how music is vibration and sound and how it's everywhere, and if you put a melody, beat, or harmony to those sounds you can create music, which is the basis for Stomp. Also, I was playing with Ableton and messing with pitch correction and made it all high and the human women voice sounded like a bird, and then I thought, huh...I wonder if you were to pitch correct a birds noise, if it would be saying something in some language.
So my music listening is based entirely on my perception of music and how I view what Music is and how it is heard and used throughout the world. And I am noticing that people have many different perceptions and views on how they perceive music.
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I try not to be a snob. Obviously I cannot stand completely lazy throwaway committee "pop" that has no redeeming qualities at all like Drake 50 Cent Ed Sheeran Billie Eilish etc.
Pop songs that have no value at all. They're not even catchy. They're not even vanilla. They're melted vanilla ice cream served on a plate with a fork. It's just BLAH.
The kind of pop I like are songs like " Love Love " by Take That. " Sweet Dream my LA ex " by Rachel Stevens.
" Souper Trooper " by ABBA. A lot of Erasure for example.
Songs that have an actual TUNE and SINGING. Not just mumbling 3 notes over the most BASIC backing track.
My Spotify Playlist for pop Songs I actually Really Enjoy (https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5FECXRH1czIgrXekVGf9Jg)
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I try not to be a snob. Obviously I cannot stand completely lazy throwaway committee "pop" that has no redeeming qualities at all like Drake 50 Cent Ed Sheeran Billie Eilish etc.
I haven't heard enough Drake, 50 Cent, or Ed Sheeran to comment, but Billie Eilish is VERY far from what you're describing. Her main album was her and her brother alone in their parents house. It's amazingly creative and well written.
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I try not to be a snob. Obviously I cannot stand completely lazy throwaway committee "pop" that has no redeeming qualities at all like ...
Umm... I don't know if you intended it or not but that's quite funny. :lol
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I try not to be a snob. Obviously I cannot stand completely lazy throwaway committee "pop" that has no redeeming qualities at all like Drake 50 Cent Ed Sheeran Billie Eilish etc.
I haven't heard enough Drake, 50 Cent, or Ed Sheeran to comment, but Billie Eilish is VERY far from what you're describing. Her main album was her and her brother alone in their parents house. It's amazingly creative and well written.
Agreed. She is pretty awesome.
Frankly, Sheeran is pretty good too.
I'm not impressed by Drake, and 50 cent isn't my cup of tea, but that doesn't mean that I think there is anything wrong with their music.
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I try not to be a snob. Obviously I cannot stand completely lazy throwaway committee "pop" that has no redeeming qualities at all like Drake 50 Cent Ed Sheeran Billie Eilish etc.
Pop songs that have no value at all. They're not even catchy. They're not even vanilla. They're melted vanilla ice cream served on a plate with a fork. It's just BLAH.
The kind of pop I like are songs like " Love Love " by Take That. " Sweet Dream my LA ex " by Rachel Stevens.
" Souper Trooper " by ABBA. A lot of Erasure for example.
Songs that have an actual TUNE and SINGING. Not just mumbling 3 notes over the most BASIC backing track.
My Spotify Playlist for pop Songs I actually Really Enjoy (https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5FECXRH1czIgrXekVGf9Jg)
FWIW—one man's 'pop songs that have no value' are another man's 'soundtrack to my life'
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I try not to be a snob. Obviously I cannot stand completely lazy throwaway committee "pop" that has no redeeming qualities at all like Drake 50 Cent Ed Sheeran Billie Eilish etc.
Pop songs that have no value at all. They're not even catchy. They're not even vanilla. They're melted vanilla ice cream served on a plate with a fork. It's just BLAH.
Pro tip: You're a snob. There's no universe where Billie Eyelash or Ed Sheeran are "lazy, throwaway committee "pop"". They're not my favorite, but your dismissal is not accurate factually.
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Ed Sheeran is the epitome of committee pop music.
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Ed Sheeran is the epitome of committee pop music.
We must define that very differently. Half the songs on his first two records are written by him alone, and the bulk of the remainder by one other - constant - person. He likes to collaborate, but that's no harm no foul and doesn't mean "committee pop music", just that he's open to new ideas. Compare that to some artists, like Katy Perry or Beyonce who will have seven, eight, even nine writers on a track (the most I ever counted was 13, but I can't remember who that was).
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Pretty sure that whenever i've looked up an Ed Sheeran song on the Wiki it's had SEVERAL writers attached to it.
This is most likely his more recent stuff which is more in the mumbling 3 notes over a backing track variety.
Plus his constant accusations of plagiarism don't help either.
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Pro tip: You're a snob.
I meant in as much as I'm not one of those :angry: I only listen to METAL or HARD ROCK people. I don't choose to listen to pop or rap or r'n'b. But If I enjoy a pop or rap or r'n'b track i'll gladly admit it.
As I said before I listen to a lot of genres and I don't go " I like METALLICA and MASTODON therefore I hate pop and U2 and EDM " etc etc.
If I like a song I like it regardless of genre. Hell I even love some McFly songs. And they're as pop as you can get.
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I didn't choose Metal or Hard Rock. It chose me.
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Well obviously. Anyone with an IQ in double figures chooses rock over pop.
people with single figure IQs choose " duh musix wot has the woooah woooah woooah "
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You know i'm right.
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Nowadays, I've been on a JPop kick than rock/metal and enjoying it. Does that make me one of those single digit IQ people? At least, those people can find enjoyment in simple pop like Ed Sheeran and the likes. I'm not going to be the one that will crush their enjoyment. Enjoying something is tough to do nowadays.
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What you consider "committee pop music" is what I call "Label Generated Music".
"Label Generated Music" is the type of music artist, or band, that is formed by the label. Some artists start independent and release their own albums, but then when they get into a major label, they become the label generated artist, where they make the music the label says is hip and will sell, and will provide all the big production, all they have to do is show up and perform. Some labels are more lenient with what they require artists/musicians to do, like our infamous Frontiers Label thread will show. There's actually quite a lot of these types of artists/bands.
Then you got those bands that started from "Trends". Most Djent bands would be a great example of a "Trend Band". And some of these label generated artists are formed because of a certain "Trend" that is a hit with the youth, like the mumble rap of Drake.
JPop, KPop, is another big trend here that grew big recently. Babymetal in the Metal world, and BTS in the Pop world. These bands/groups are label based as well.
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I randomly looked up a Metallica song on wikipedia.
It was The Four Horseman.
ZOMG, IT HAS THREE WRITERS!!!
I guess that makes it committee metal, right? :lol :lol
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Am I the only one who ever wonders if the majority of people here really only listen to prog/metal/related genres? I know there are people here who listen to other stuff too, but sometimes it seems like that is a very small number of people.
Prog is probably my favorite genre, but I would lose my mind if that was all I ever listened to.
And this is not an indictment - people should listen to what they like.
I listen to a lot of Prog, a lot of classic rock/hard rock, alternative rock, and pop music, a smattering of jazz/classical/other random stuff, and very little metal beyond Dream Theater.
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I randomly looked up a Metallica song on wikipedia.
It was The Four Horseman.
ZOMG, IT HAS THREE WRITERS!!!
I guess that makes it committee metal, right? :lol :lol
Those are the 3 guys in the band. Not the label. Or the songwriting team.
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I'm not an Ed Sheeran fan whatsoever but I'm confused. What is the big issue if he collaborates with other songwriters? Having a quick look on wiki his name is credited on every one of his own songs so I don't understand why it's so offensive.
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I don't get it either. What's the big deal with songwriting teams?
Does this mean we can't enjoy musical theater or film music anymore either? What about collaborations?
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I don't get it either. What's the big deal with songwriting teams?
Does this mean we can't enjoy musical theater or film music anymore either? What about collaborations?
I just don't see how collaborating with multiple people hurts Sheerans integrity or image, regardless of what I think of him.
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I'm not an Ed Sheeran fan whatsoever but I'm confused. What is the big issue if he collaborates with other songwriters? Having a quick look on wiki his name is credited on every one of his own songs so I don't understand why it's so offensive.
It's not at all. I am not a fan of Ed Sheeran - every song I have heard by him sounds like what watching paint dry must sound like if set to music - but the guy is obviously a songwriter. There is obviously a big difference between a songwriter who likes to collaborate and someone who needs a team to write all of their songs because they can't on their own.
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I'm not an Ed Sheeran fan whatsoever but I'm confused. What is the big issue if he collaborates with other songwriters? Having a quick look on wiki his name is credited on every one of his own songs so I don't understand why it's so offensive.
It's not at all. I am not a fan of Ed Sheeran - every song I have heard by him sounds like what watching paint dry must sound like if set to music - but the guy is obviously a songwriter. There is obviously a big difference between a songwriter who likes to collaborate and someone who needs a team to write all of their songs because they can't on their own.
That's exactly right. He's obviously different to a flat out manufactured pop singer that gets everything written for them and they are just there to sing and be there for the image.
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I'm not an Ed Sheeran fan whatsoever but I'm confused. What is the big issue if he collaborates with other songwriters? Having a quick look on wiki his name is credited on every one of his own songs so I don't understand why it's so offensive.
It's not at all. I am not a fan of Ed Sheeran - every song I have heard by him sounds like what watching paint dry must sound like if set to music - but the guy is obviously a songwriter. There is obviously a big difference between a songwriter who likes to collaborate and someone who needs a team to write all of their songs because they can't on their own.
That's exactly right. He's obviously different to a flat out manufactured pop singer that gets everything written for them and they are just there to sing and be there for the image.
Yep. And to be fair, some have talents elsewhere, just not when it comes to songwriting. Take Whitney Houston, who couldn't write a song to save her life, but was blessed with a voice from the heavens. Contrast that to someone like Bob Dylan, widely considered one of the greatest songwriters of all time, yet has a voice from, well, hell. :lol :lol
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The great Aussie John Farnham comes to mind. Did a little writing but mainly had all his songs written by other songwriters. However is an absolute Aussie legend and possibly the greatest most powerful voice our country has ever produced. Him not writing a lot of his own songs never came into conversation.
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Rod Stewart.
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Ed Sheeran collaborates with Producer/Songwriters, those like Bruno Mars, whom many pop artists have collaborated with and who has many hits most don't know he produced or help write.
Some actually collaborate with Producers/Songwriters chosen by the label because the label wants a certain sound. So they collaborate to make that Ed Sheeran written song, into the modern pop hit.
Labels work with the artists to create a certain song or sound they want, like WAP and Old Town Road. Which is a trend I have been noticing, country rap.
There is nothing wrong with collaboration as most all singers do collaborate with musicians. Janis Joplin did this, the old Motown and Lounge Jazz relied on the collaboration of the musicians.
It's when the label decides to choose whom to hire to work with the artist for the collaboration because they want that certain style of song that sells and they can market on commercials, in the stores, during sports games, halftime shows, charity events, and the many other ways we get bombarded by the marketing of these songs.
That has an effect on how people listen to music as repetitive listens will make people enjoy the music. We all do that here, by giving an album/song/band more chances to like a certain song/album/bad.
In other words, those collaborations serve no purpose but to sell and market a product to the masses, so the people can buy the products in the commercials, go to the sporting events, and even do a global dance routine to. It's a way of using sound manipulation to convince people to buy. As people hear a famous song and turn their attention to wherever that song plays from.
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I don't get the dismissal of Sheeran either, my wife is a big fan and I've listened to his albums multiple times. He is a fantastic songwriter and an spectacular performer having seen him live multiple times. There is nothing wrong with collaborating with other musicians/writers.
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I enjoyed the KISSTORY 2 part documentary on A & E
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I don't get the dismissal of Sheeran either, my wife is a big fan and I've listened to his albums multiple times. He is a fantastic songwriter and an spectacular performer having seen him live multiple times. There is nothing wrong with collaborating with other musicians/writers.
Yup there is no problem.
What I feel Kowtow is meaning is he doesn't enjoy when music is mass produced for the sole purpose of generating a hit song and marketing that song for profits. Which most of these pop artists are. Even though they may collaborate with other musicians to create songs. In the end, those songs were made with the sole intention of using the song for mass marketing and promotion of products. And the lyrics of these marketing songs all relate to their target audience they market these songs to.
These major labels cater to these artists and neglect the others that don't go with flow of their desires. The labels will spend their budget on these artists with promotion and show production costs.
Hence, it is a good reason why artists have begun being independent and creating their own labels, so they won't have to be under the big labels desires and requests.
Yet, they won't get these promotions, marketing, and huge show productions because they don't have the budget like these big labels do. And will only get them if they cater to that label.
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But that isn't for us to decide. Bruce Springsteen - now - is candid that for all his "The Boss", Asbury Park cred, he wanted people to buy and enjoy his music. He wasn't making music for six people to enjoy in their basement. He always had his eye on being in a stadium playing to massive amounts of people.
Kiss as well; I don't understand this quaint idea that someone ought to make music to be heard by no one. Don't kid yourself: any of the bands we see regularly in 1,500 seat theaters would take Metallica's gig - playing stadiums - in a HEARTBEAT.
The thing with Sheeran is, even if the songs were "by committee" (they aren't) he opened for T-Swiftie and went out every night in a STADIUM by himself with a guitar and a loop box and entertained people for an hour. I can't listen to him (I make fun of him all the time to my daughter) but I have no choice but to respect him and what he does.
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But that isn't for us to decide. Bruce Springsteen - now - is candid that for all his "The Boss", Asbury Park cred, he wanted people to buy and enjoy his music. He wasn't making music for six people to enjoy in their basement. He always had his eye on being in a stadium playing to massive amounts of people.
Kiss as well; I don't understand this quaint idea that someone ought to make music to be heard by no one. Don't kid yourself: any of the bands we see regularly in 1,500 seat theaters would take Metallica's gig - playing stadiums - in a HEARTBEAT.
The thing with Sheeran is, even if the songs were "by committee" (they aren't) he opened for T-Swiftie and went out every night in a STADIUM by himself with a guitar and a loop box and entertained people for an hour. I can't listen to him (I make fun of him all the time to my daughter) but I have no choice but to respect him and what he does.
Exactly.
I went to see Kiss, because I wanted to see Kiss. And if I want to see Ed Sheeran, I probably would as well. If some big name comes here, I might go just to see them.
I respect they're all doing what they want and enjoy doing it.
I also understand Kotows reasoning as to why he wouldnt like those songs.
Somehow, I don't really pay attention to the song that is playing while I am out in stores and have not heard much of an Ed Sheeran song that if it came up, I wouldn't even know if it was him or some other singer songwriter.
Like all music, I am sure he has one song that I will enjoy immensely.
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But with Sheeran, do we know it's the record label pushing the songwriters on him to produce a certain style or does Sheeran source and collaborate with the people he does by choice?
I know what you are saying too Ben. I've watched the downfall of Frontiers records over the years.
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But with Sheeran, do we know it's the record label pushing the songwriters on him to produce a certain style or does Sheeran source and collaborate with the people he does by choice?
I know what you are saying too Ben. I've watched the downfall of Frontiers records over the years.
Unless he's a bald-faced liar, it's HIM, not the record company. He's been on Stern a couple times and talked about that. He also has a lot of friends in the industry, and likes to work with him.
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I'm pretty sure I've never knowingly heard an Ed Sheeran song.
I don't have an opinion on him one way or another. He just doesn't really exist in my world, and I've never had any reason to seek his music out or occasion to hear it without seeking it out.
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But with Sheeran, do we know it's the record label pushing the songwriters on him to produce a certain style or does Sheeran source and collaborate with the people he does by choice?
I know what you are saying too Ben. I've watched the downfall of Frontiers records over the years.
Unless he's a bald-faced liar, it's HIM, not the record company. He's been on Stern a couple times and talked about that. He also has a lot of friends in the industry, and likes to work with him.
Well there you go.
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Likewise I cannot say if I have heard anything of his. I might change that tomorrow, if I think of it, which is doubtful. Unless he is still the topic of this thread.
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I'm pretty sure I've never knowingly heard an Ed Sheeran song.
I don't have an opinion on him one way or another. He just doesn't really exist in my world, and I've never had any reason to seek his music out or occasion to hear it without seeking it out.
That would surprise me, frankly, only because he was everywhere for a while there. But who knows?
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I'm pretty sure I've never knowingly heard an Ed Sheeran song.
That would surprise me, frankly, only because he was everywhere for a while there. But who knows?
Ok, then let me try..
I’m pretty sure I’ve never knowingly heard an Ed Sheeran song. :neverusethis:
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" The Shape Of You " is all over the place. You must have heard it in passing. It's teh one with a 2 bar loop for 5 minutes which sounds like a Glockenspiel playing triads
and Ed going " Im in love with the shape of you oh wa oh wa oh wa oh Im in love with your body oh wa oh wa oh wa oh wa oh "
Or " I don't care " the song he did with Justin Bieber which goes " I dont carw when im with my baby yeah " and then a high pitched bird like sound " oooh a ooh a oh a oh "
That's another trend - the mumbling 3 note verse or the Woah oh oh oh chorus that 100s of pop songs have.
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I would never hear a song and think "that sounds like traids" because I have no idea what the heck a triad is. :lol
Ok, I checked it out, and it was vaguely familiar. Sounds like one of the songs the club I used to frequent would play between sets when the band took a break.
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" The Shape Of You " is all over the place. You must have heard it in passing. It's teh one with a 2 bar loop for 5 minutes which sounds like a Glockenspiel playing triads
and Ed going " Im in love with the shape of you oh wa oh wa oh wa oh Im in love with your body oh wa oh wa oh wa oh wa oh "
Or " I don't care " the song he did with Justin Bieber which goes " I dont carw when im with my baby yeah " and then a high pitched bird like sound " oooh a ooh a oh a oh "
That's another trend - the mumbling 3 note verse or the Woah oh oh oh chorus that 100s of pop songs have.
Neither sound familiar, but the voice does. Maybe I’ve heard him before or maybe it’s just the generic pop singer voice of the moment. Both songs were pretty blah.
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" The Shape Of You " is all over the place. You must have heard it in passing. It's teh one with a 2 bar loop for 5 minutes which sounds like a Glockenspiel playing triads
It is mainly a two bar loop, yes, but that's simplifying it. The song isn't even 4 minutes long, let alone 5. It's not a glockenspiel and they're not triads.
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Ed Sheeran collaborates with Producer/Songwriters, those like Bruno Mars, whom many pop artists have collaborated with and who has many hits most don't know he produced or help write.
Some actually collaborate with Producers/Songwriters chosen by the label because the label wants a certain sound. So they collaborate to make that Ed Sheeran written song, into the modern pop hit.
Labels work with the artists to create a certain song or sound they want, like WAP and Old Town Road. Which is a trend I have been noticing, country rap.
There is nothing wrong with collaboration as most all singers do collaborate with musicians. Janis Joplin did this, the old Motown and Lounge Jazz relied on the collaboration of the musicians.
It's when the label decides to choose whom to hire to work with the artist for the collaboration because they want that certain style of song that sells and they can market on commercials, in the stores, during sports games, halftime shows, charity events, and the many other ways we get bombarded by the marketing of these songs.
That has an effect on how people listen to music as repetitive listens will make people enjoy the music. We all do that here, by giving an album/song/band more chances to like a certain song/album/bad.
In other words, those collaborations serve no purpose but to sell and market a product to the masses, so the people can buy the products in the commercials, go to the sporting events, and even do a global dance routine to. It's a way of using sound manipulation to convince people to buy. As people hear a famous song and turn their attention to wherever that song plays from.
This is what I imagined the NOMACS would pipe out - bland, emotionless , soulless sound.
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" The Shape Of You " is all over the place. You must have heard it in passing. It's teh one with a 2 bar loop for 5 minutes which sounds like a Glockenspiel playing triads
It is mainly a two bar loop, yes, but that's simplifying it. The song isn't even 4 minutes long, let alone 5. It's not a glockenspiel and they're not triads.
"Sounds like"
Anyway it's a huge pile of shit and i've heard it 20 million times too many. It's the most basic basic basic 'song' imaginable.
It's 3:53 which is closer to 4 minutes. 4 minutes of the same two bars going round and round.
And " Strip it down " or whatever it's called is even worse.
[ edit - that's by Liam Payne apparently - not that you'd know they all sound the same ]
[ edit 2 - jesus fucking christ - that song is unbelievably basic and has FIFTEEN credited writers. One of which is Ed Sheeran obviously. FIFTEEN. for a drum beat - a bass part and vocal . OMFG ]
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If not liking Ed Sheeran makes me a music snob, I'm fine with that.
Most of his songs are beige, apart from the ones that are irritating like Galway Girl.
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Yes i'm fine with it too. When I heard he'd done a song with Justine Bebo - I instantly knew exactly how it would sound.
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If a 4 minute track with just a drum machine a bass line and a vocal can has 15 credited writers - several of which are only there because despite being incredibly basic - you've still ripped
someone off is good songwriting - then you bet i'm a music snob for having written a 9 minute song in 9/4 time with several different sections and switches to 4/4 in the chorus.
By Myself. AND I played all the instruments.
:coolio :hat
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Yes i'm fine with it too. When I heard he'd done a song with Justine Bebo - I instantly knew exactly how it would sound.
I'm all for a good popular slab of pop music like 'Blinding Lights' for example, but that Sheeran/Bieber song is pure anti-music, there is nothing going on at all.
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And it has that weird bird sound hook like all pop songs do now. Either that or the Woah oh oh oh oh .
Like I said - I have a big Spotify playlist of all the pop songs I actually really like.
"Love Love" by Take That for example is a huge pop song that's actually VERY catchy and well written. AND is only credited to the 5 guys in the group....
Which is why it's so infuriating that unbearably LAZY music like E.S. is *SO* popular.
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Why do you get so worked up about Ed Sheeran?
Also I don't for a second think Ed Sheeran is 'lazy'. I'm pretty sure Ed has absolutely worked his ass off to get to the point where he's at now. As for the 'huge pile of shit' you claim it to be; it's the most streamed song on Spotify and has held that position since 21 September 2017. It's immensely popular and your opinion isn't going to change that. It's not a bad track and, guess what, it IS catchy. Else it wouldn't be that popular.
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Yea Ed isn't lazy, furthermore go watch some live clips of him, he is a very talented guitar player.
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Why do you get so worked up about Ed Sheeran?
Also I don't for a second think Ed Sheeran is 'lazy'. I'm pretty sure Ed has absolutely worked his ass off to get to the point where he's at now. As for the 'huge pile of shit' you claim it to be; it's the most streamed song on Spotify and has held that position since 21 September 2017. It's immensely popular and your opinion isn't going to change that. It's not a bad track and, guess what, it IS catchy. Else it wouldn't be that popular.
More money and chicks I'm guessing.
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Again, I am not a fan of Sheeran, but there is nothing wrong with a simple or basic song. Trust me, most of these bands that write songs in odd time sigs would give their left arm if they had the ability to write a simple song that was hugely popular and spoke to the masses. Let's not act like writing a simple, catchy song is easy, because if it were, everyone would do it.
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If any artist or any song/album, whatever, pisses you off that much (or really much at all), then that's about you.
I've written a good amount of music that I think is fantastic, but no one else gives a damn about. I would kill to be able to write something catchy and simple enough that I both liked and other people would like. But I can't. I can write a 30 minute song. I can write concept albums. I can write in constantly changed time signatures. I can write polyrhythms. Yet a song that other people connect to and really enjoy eludes me. That's my loss, but I wouldn't be better than I was if I hated every pop artist who was able to pull it off.
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Ed Sheeran collaborates with Producer/Songwriters, those like Bruno Mars, whom many pop artists have collaborated with and who has many hits most don't know he produced or help write.
Some actually collaborate with Producers/Songwriters chosen by the label because the label wants a certain sound. So they collaborate to make that Ed Sheeran written song, into the modern pop hit.
Labels work with the artists to create a certain song or sound they want, like WAP and Old Town Road. Which is a trend I have been noticing, country rap.
There is nothing wrong with collaboration as most all singers do collaborate with musicians. Janis Joplin did this, the old Motown and Lounge Jazz relied on the collaboration of the musicians.
It's when the label decides to choose whom to hire to work with the artist for the collaboration because they want that certain style of song that sells and they can market on commercials, in the stores, during sports games, halftime shows, charity events, and the many other ways we get bombarded by the marketing of these songs.
That has an effect on how people listen to music as repetitive listens will make people enjoy the music. We all do that here, by giving an album/song/band more chances to like a certain song/album/bad.
In other words, those collaborations serve no purpose but to sell and market a product to the masses, so the people can buy the products in the commercials, go to the sporting events, and even do a global dance routine to. It's a way of using sound manipulation to convince people to buy. As people hear a famous song and turn their attention to wherever that song plays from.
This is what I imagined the NOMACS would pipe out - bland, emotionless , soulless sound.
:rollin :rollin
The NOMACS are the extreme of robots making music. Which is loud, unpleasant, and jarringly not good. As is presented on those NOMAC tracks live , and how loud as they could legally be. They were used as weapons.
Which relates to how modern music is made by the machine of the music industry. That's The Great Northern Empire, the music industry and it's manufactured NOMACS. While Gabriel represents the musician that just wants to play his music to people who will listen, and it's seen as a miracle as Human Music has gone obsolete, and Music is manufactured through the NOMACS and the music of the NOMACS is all that the people know as music. Hence why Faythe finding the Music Player is essential to how she began to know there is different, more soulfully, healing, music besides the Noise Machines.
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Why do you get so worked up about Ed Sheeran?
Also I don't for a second think Ed Sheeran is 'lazy'. I'm pretty sure Ed has absolutely worked his ass off to get to the point where he's at now. As for the 'huge pile of shit' you claim it to be; it's the most streamed song on Spotify and has held that position since 21 September 2017. It's immensely popular and your opinion isn't going to change that. It's not a bad track and, guess what, it IS catchy. Else it wouldn't be that popular.
Spotify stats are pointless as most users just listen to the sponcered playlists and the big artists dominate those - any crap released by the likes of Bieber (take yummy for example) goes straight to the front of these playlists, and tracks only require 30 seconds of listening to register as a play.
Put I like this if a Dream Theater song was put on as the first song on 'todays top hits' (the biggest playlist) for just one week, they'd earn more plays in that week with just one song than their entire catalogue earns in a year easily...
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And that says something about what exactly?
Spotify stats aren’t pointless as they show you what songs get listened to the most. If people wouldn't like what they’re hearing, they could turn it off easily. Or they’re not actively listening at all, but that’s a different story altogether.
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At the end of the day. Ed Sheeran makes the music he wants to make. And he chose to go the easy pop route with a simple style, because it sells.
The more you collaborate with other famous music artists the more people will listen to your song. People will listen just because a famous artist is in a song. Some people actually get confused and think a song is by the guest artist. Like how Justin Bieber guests in a song, but it's not a Justin Bieber song at all, yet people think it's a Justin Bieber song, that song is "Despacito" by Luis Fonsi.
I looked up more on Ed Sheeran and I applaud how he titles his albums. I think the next album is going to be called "/" (pronounced, "fraction"). :lol
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Please can a mod rename the thread the official Ed Sheeran thread just for Kotowboy. ;D
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Thread by committee.
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Thread by committee.
:lol
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Why do you get so worked up about Ed Sheeran?
Because his music is so incredibly basic and generic for how staggeringly popular it is.
It would be like everyone suddenly going absolutely mental for bread and butter when roast dinners exist.
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Same with Billie Eilish. Everyone raves about her music...then you hear it and go Really? THIS shit ?
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Why do you get so worked up about Ed Sheeran?
Because his music is so incredibly basic and generic for how staggeringly popular it is.
It would be like everyone suddenly going absolutely mental for bread and butter when roast dinners exist.
Yet people eat bread and butter basically every day. You see why that analogy doesn't work?
Maybe 'basic and generic' are a prerequisite for being 'staggeringly popular'.
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Why do you get so worked up about Ed Sheeran?
Because his music is so incredibly basic and generic for how staggeringly popular it is.
It would be like everyone suddenly going absolutely mental for bread and butter when roast dinners exist.
Bread and butter is a perfect companion to a roast dinner. Clean all the gravy off your plate with that fucker.
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I get your frustration, kotowboy. I'm the same with a bunch of stuff. But it's not the stuff, it's us.
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Also - if there was an Ed Sheeran thread - i'm not the type of person to go into a thread of an act I hate just to shit on them. I hate when people do that.
Since this is the General Music thread I figured it's ok :D
To make up for it - maybe someone else could shit all over Green Day? :biggrin:
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Also - if there was an Ed Sheeran thread - i'm not the type of person to go into a thread of an act I hate just to shit on them. I hate when people do that.
Since this is the General Music thread I figured it's ok :D
To make up for it - maybe someone else could shit all over Green Day? :biggrin:
Green Day definitely sucks. :P :biggrin:
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Yeah, Green Day are just the worst.
I agree about Billie Eilish though. And ever since she turned 18, she's been in full edge Lord mode, and I just want her to go away. Her music is bad enough. Billie Eilish did this. Billie Eilish said that. GO AWAY.
Sully Erna was right all along.
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I guess it's a might of national pride with us Brits. When you've had popular acts like the Beatles, stones, who, Bowie, Floyd, Zeppelin, Sabbath, maiden, Depeche mode, queen, the spice girls**, Elton John, Radiohead, blur, Kate Bush, arctic monkeys, Adele, the cure etc.......going from those to sheeran is like Dracula to Twilight 😂.
**Yup the Spices were far, far more fun than 50 shades of beige Sheeran
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Why do you get so worked up about Ed Sheeran?
Because his music is so incredibly basic and generic for how staggeringly popular it is.
It would be like everyone suddenly going absolutely mental for bread and butter when roast dinners exist.
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Same with Billie Eilish. Everyone raves about her music...then you hear it and go Really? THIS shit ?
But this is the part I don't understand, even a little bit. It's popular, so MOST people AREN'T saying "Really? THIS shit?" They like it. Why is your taste - which you don't really have any active say in - more relevant than theirs? I LOVED Iron Maiden when I was 15, and I thought (rightly! Haha) that they were the best band on the planet. They are good, but they aren't - here in the States - at the level of Ed Sheeran or One Direction, who my daughter thought were the best on the planet when she was 15. Why was my observation any more valid than hers?
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Dammit Stads, don’t ask that question! It’s just inviting WildRanger to engage.
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Yeah, that was an uncomfortable question to read.
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You know, part of me doesn't want to bump this thread to talk more about Ed Sheeran (and I'm a fan of the guy), but I thought this is something that we can explore talking about or not. Here's a video of him creating a song with Japanese Rock band, One OK Rock. The song is called Renegades. The dude did not contribute vocals at all and I don't think he's in the credits on the guitar work, but he is in the credits for the songwriting part. I honestly think, like Dave Grohl at times, if there is someone of name value regardless of genre that Ed has an eye on working with, he wants in on it whether it would be for one of his songs or one of their songs. Bonus points for Ed since he's carrying a giant Snorlax Pokemon plushie at the 0:20 mark of the making of the song video. I just wanted to point this out for discussion or non-discussion.
ONE OK ROCK - Making of Renegades #1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pet3J4c8dXE)
ONE OK ROCK - Renegades Japanese Version [OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajr18Yw5xdY)
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It's funny when music just taps this inner ...thing..that you have. What are we at our musical core?
I'm going on a musical journey. One that I fucking missed the first time around. When we are 14,15,16 y/o, we pick our favorite bands over dozens of choices. But there are things we leave behind that even in your 50's, need to be revisited. There was a reason you grabbed at it in he first place. Some things were right under your nose the whole time.
We strive to find the next thing, beat the next guy to the recommendation. My 16 y/o self had tons of recommendations. It's time I followed up.
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That is, like... deep, man.
Still... following!
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When I was a teen / early twenties I would listen to the alternative / late night radio shows every single day and discover new bands.
Now i'm 42 I listen to my fave bands and that's it.
I can't remember the last NEW band I got into. . . .
Probably Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds. But even that was because of oasis and ever they're ten years old at this point.
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When I was a teen / early twenties I would listen to the alternative / late night radio shows every single day and discover new bands.
Now i'm 42 I listen to my fave bands and that's it.
I can't remember the last NEW band I got into. . . .
Probably Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds. But even that was because of oasis and ever they're ten years old at this point.
It's weird, I don't think I've gotten into much new rock/metal in the last few years. Maybe Jinjer? Forgot when that was.
But I'm probably more likely to explore new pop music now.
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I can't think of the most recent heavy band I discovered.
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When I was a teen / early twenties I would listen to the alternative / late night radio shows every single day and discover new bands.
Now i'm 42 I listen to my fave bands and that's it.
I can't remember the last NEW band I got into. . . .
Probably Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds. But even that was because of oasis and ever they're ten years old at this point.
It's weird, I don't think I've gotten into much new rock/metal in the last few years. Maybe Jinjer? Forgot when that was.
But I'm probably more likely to explore new pop music now.
I feel the opposite. A while back I sort of got tired of listening to all the same stuff over and over again and I started practice of listening to a brand new album every single morning. I keep this monster list of albums I've always wanted to listen to, or have seen mentioned and listen front to back in the morning. I love it, I've discovered some really fantastic stuff and some truly terrible music but the discovery of it is really enjoyable.
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I feel like the last big "hard rock/heavy metal" band I discovered was Coheed & Cambria and Mastodon and that was mainly to prep myself to see their co-headlining show back in 2019.
Actually, after looking at my Spotify playlist, the last rock band I discovered was The Hu and that was to get ready to see their show in late 2019. Nowadays, I've been in the rabbit hole of JPop and JRock and I really haven't gotten out of it and I have very little reason to get invested to go back into listening to Active Rock stuff that you would hear on Octane.
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...I started practice of listening to a brand new album every single morning. I keep this monster list of albums I've always wanted to listen to, or have seen mentioned and listen front to back in the morning. I love it, I've discovered some really fantastic stuff and some truly terrible music but the discovery of it is really enjoyable.
Cool idea.
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It's funny when music just taps this inner ...thing..that you have. What are we at our musical core?
I'm going on a musical journey. One that I fucking missed the first time around. When we are 14,15,16 y/o, we pick our favorite bands over dozens of choices. But there are things we leave behind that even in your 50's, need to be revisited. There was a reason you grabbed at it in he first place. Some things were right under your nose the whole time.
We strive to find the next thing, beat the next guy to the recommendation. My 16 y/o self had tons of recommendations. It's time I followed up.
I love this. And I couple it with a sort of "I'm 50 and don't give a shit" approach, and I find I get far more joy out of music than I ever did. My 16-year-old self would never be caught dead listening to Taylor Swift (or the version that existed in 1983), but I get tremendous joy from her music now.
I like that notion of "core", too. For me I've found that I like things with melody, I like things with interesting harmonies and harmonics (for lack of a better word); I like things with legato lines (that means long sustained notes, as opposed to staccato, sort of rhythmic lines), especially vocal lines. I love long sustained vocal lines, that guys like Sting and Elton John use; I HATE that sort of sing-song, hip-hoppy singing that guys like Anthony Keidis and Fred Durst use. There are no rules here, but that's the general idea. I still just "like" something; I don't put a lot of thought in to what I "like" or not, but it's interesting to see in hindsight what I generally gravitate to.
EDIT: I will say this; I had to sort of get my arms around (and I still struggle with this) the idea that there's just too much music out there. I just put in an order on Discogs and I got one of Nuno Bettencourt's records after leaving Extreme and I listened to it a coupe times and I'm just like, yeah, I'm a completist, but I'm never going to listen to this ever again. I just have to decide what it is I want to spend my time on.
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I'm 38 and in the last 4-5 years I've listened to more new music than ever. I'll admit that I find it really hard to find a band that hits me hard nowadays, but a shit ton of it is stuff I get a lot of enjoyment out of and play to death (just not in the way I did when I first discovered metal).
The amount of music out there now (and how easy it is to access it all) is definitely a blessing and a curse. I am always on the quest for the next thing that blows me away, but the flip side is I don't spend as much time listening to albums I really dig (not in a I'll spin it 5 times in a row kinda way). Also, the more bands you love, the more new albums by said bands need checking out each year. When you can easily say you are pretty huge fan of more than 100 bands then it becomes so difficult to divide your time between them all.
I still absolutely fucking love it though! I don't really watch much TV or game anymore so music is my thing, and I an all in!!
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I am 48, and definitely listening to more new music now than I ever have before. I absolutely love it.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/randy-baja-fletcher-production-manager-for-keith-urban-and-brooks-and-dunn-dies-after-stage-injury/ar-AANUwfN?li=BBnbfcL
Yikes! A "stage accident".
The article doesn't say what happened..
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I am 48, and definitely listening to more new music now than I ever have before. I absolutely love it.
Would you say the popular music is what you're digging or not popular but creative?
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I'm 38 and in the last 4-5 years I've listened to more new music than ever. I'll admit that I find it really hard to find a band that hits me hard nowadays, but a shit ton of it is stuff I get a lot of enjoyment out of and play to death (just not in the way I did when I first discovered metal).
The amount of music out there now (and how easy it is to access it all) is definitely a blessing and a curse. I am always on the quest for the next thing that blows me away, but the flip side is I don't spend as much time listening to albums I really dig (not in a I'll spin it 5 times in a row kinda way). Also, the more bands you love, the more new albums by said bands need checking out each year. When you can easily say you are pretty huge fan of more than 100 bands then it becomes so difficult to divide your time between them all.
I still absolutely fucking love it though! I don't really watch much TV or game anymore so music is my thing, and I an all in!!
Yeah, this sort of thing is the bane of my existence. I always have this lingering thought that there is music out there I have never heard before that I would like as much or more than the music I already enjoy. And I continually prove myself right. It's very cyclical, I go through periods where I'm listening to half a dozen+ new albums a day, and others where I don't listen to anything new at all. I felt like I had kind of a dry spell around spring of '18 to around the time of the pandemic. I discovered less new interesting music in that period that in probably any other time I can think of in decades. Various changes in life circumstances around then have given me more listening time than in quite awhile, and I've made countless discoveries in the past year and a half, many of which I have yet to really absorb. It's still an exciting endeavor, knowing the next great band might be right around the corner. Apportioning listening time is always a precarious balance, between comfort music, familiarizing myself more with artists I like but don't yet know intimately, and evaluating undiscovered artists. It's even trickier when you try and have a broad variety of different styles to draw from, as depth can often be sacrificed for superficial familiarity.
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I'm the opposite. I'm 37 but the last couple of years I've listened to less new music than I ever have. Time is a big issue but find it hard for things to stick these days.
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I am 48, and definitely listening to more new music now than I ever have before. I absolutely love it.
Would you say the popular music is what you're digging or not popular but creative?
Some of both.
Definitely more pop music, but other music, I guess indie rock and other forms, that are a lot more creative than standard Top 40 music. Also a lot of other genres like jazz, bluegrass, whatever really. Good music is good music, and you can find good music in any genre.
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Somehow I missed Crimson Glory and Tygers Of Pan Tang. Even though my collection is huge. Anyhoo...songs from both bands came up on my Amazon discovery station and they were both great. Now I need to dig into their discographies.
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Somehow I missed Crimson Glory and Tygers Of Pan Tang. Even though my collection is huge. Anyhoo...songs from both bands came up on my Amazon discovery station and they were both great. Now I need to dig into their discographies.
I passed on Crimson Glory in the 80's as well. I thought they looked ridiculous, and never had any interest in checking them out.
I did buy two Tygers albums (on vinyl) and still have them. Wild Cat and Spellbound. Spellbound has John Sykes on it. I love Wild Cat.
They have also released an album or two in recent years and what I heard was more than solid.
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Cool! I love Sykes so I'll make that my first album to listen to.
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Does anyone have that one band that literally everyone you meet or know or talk to is like " OH MAN OF COURSE I LOVE THEM " but you're like :huh: I just don't hear it...
To me it's RUSH. Not " they suck " or anything. Nothing i've heard from them has ever grabbed me. I was on a car ride with a friend once
and he put on a Rush best of - and truthfully I didn't like a single song.
Which goes with my belief that if some band or musician is considered " legendary " then a lot of people will just accept that and buy all their albums
and convince themselves it's great.
I knew a guy once who was just like that. If the music press loved a band or album - he'd rush out and buy it and recite reviews as to whey HE liked it.
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Does anyone have that one band that literally everyone you meet or know or talk to is like " OH MAN OF COURSE I LOVE THEM " but you're like :huh: I just don't hear it...
To me it's RUSH. Not " they suck " or anything. Nothing i've heard from them has ever grabbed me. I was on a car ride with a friend once
and he put on a Rush best of - and truthfully I didn't like a single song.
Which goes with my belief that if some band or musician is considered " legendary " then a lot of people will just accept that and buy all their albums
and convince themselves it's great.
I knew a guy once who was just like that. If the music press loved a band or album - he'd rush out and buy it and recite reviews as to whey HE liked it.
Nah, people like Rush because they are great. Certainly not because it is cool or fashionable to like them.
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Yea, the idea that people like things you don't and have ulterior motivations beyond just genuinely enjoying it is quite strange.
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Now Metallica, that’s a band people only like because they are sheep. ;-)
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Does anyone have that one band that literally everyone you meet or know or talk to is like " OH MAN OF COURSE I LOVE THEM " but you're like :huh: I just don't hear it...
To me it's RUSH. Not " they suck " or anything. Nothing i've heard from them has ever grabbed me. I was on a car ride with a friend once
and he put on a Rush best of - and truthfully I didn't like a single song.
Which goes with my belief that if some band or musician is considered " legendary " then a lot of people will just accept that and buy all their albums
and convince themselves it's great.
I knew a guy once who was just like that. If the music press loved a band or album - he'd rush out and buy it and recite reviews as to whey HE liked it.
What I don't understand is how you connect "I was on a car ride with a friend once and he put on a Rush best of" to "Which goes with my belief that if some band or musician is considered " legendary " then a lot of people will just accept that and buy all their albums and convince themselves it's great."
Is it possible your friend just liked Rush? And maybe you don't? And maybe that's just no big deal?
Also, one friend buying music he reads about in the press (which isn't all that unusual) does not necessarily mean that is the norm for the population at large.
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What I don't understand is how you connect "I was on a car ride with a friend once and he put on a Rush best of" to "Which goes with my belief that if some band or musician is considered " legendary " then a lot of people will just accept that and buy all their albums and convince themselves it's great."
:-* I didn't. You did. You assumed that me hearing an album on a trip meant the person I was with only liked them cause he 'was supposed to'..
Not the same person :-* . . . . . . . . . .
Me hearing an entire Best Of convinced me I wasn't a fan.
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What I don't understand is how you connect "I was on a car ride with a friend once and he put on a Rush best of" to "Which goes with my belief that if some band or musician is considered " legendary " then a lot of people will just accept that and buy all their albums and convince themselves it's great."
:-* I didn't. You did. You assumed that me hearing an album on a trip meant the person I was with only liked them cause he 'was supposed to'..
Not the same person :-* . . . . . . . . . .
Gotcha. :tup
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Yea, the idea that people like things you don't and have ulterior motivations beyond just genuinely enjoying it is quite strange.
Yes that's what I said.
And definitely didn't say " People who only listen to music that the music press tells them to whether they actually love it or not " :-*
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Now Metallica, that’s a band people only like because they are sheep. ;-)
Totes ;D
EDIT : actually - funnily enough the album that made me a fan was Reload. I didn't hear the 80s albums til MUCH later.
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You definitely linked your experience with the Rush dude to the idea that people will convince themselves to like popular artists because they're told to. But whatever, you do you.
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Thanks. I will. 😊😊
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I know some dudes who seem to love (almost) everything metal and that makes me scratch my head and think we must be absorbing music in different ways.
Differences are strangely hard to accept sometimes.
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Exactly. I also have a friend who only listens to Metal and genuinely ranks albums on how heavy they are not how good.
inb4 wtf is wrong with that KB?!
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Does anyone have that one band that literally everyone you meet or know or talk to is like " OH MAN OF COURSE I LOVE THEM " but you're like :huh: I just don't hear it...
To me it's RUSH. Not " they suck " or anything. Nothing i've heard from them has ever grabbed me. I was on a car ride with a friend once
and he put on a Rush best of - and truthfully I didn't like a single song.
Which goes with my belief that if some band or musician is considered " legendary " then a lot of people will just accept that and buy all their albums
and convince themselves it's great.
I knew a guy once who was just like that. If the music press loved a band or album - he'd rush out and buy it and recite reviews as to whey HE liked it.
Not quite the same thing but I know a couple of people who will say Queen is their favourite band, but the only thing they will own by them is the Greatest Hits 1 & 2. They don't own a single studio album by them though. This is probably quite common (in the UK) as those Greatest Hits compilations are the biggest selling albums of all time.
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Does anyone have that one band that literally everyone you meet or know or talk to is like " OH MAN OF COURSE I LOVE THEM " but you're like :huh: I just don't hear it...
To me it's RUSH. Not " they suck " or anything. Nothing i've heard from them has ever grabbed me. I was on a car ride with a friend once
and he put on a Rush best of - and truthfully I didn't like a single song.
Which goes with my belief that if some band or musician is considered " legendary " then a lot of people will just accept that and buy all their albums
and convince themselves it's great.
I knew a guy once who was just like that. If the music press loved a band or album - he'd rush out and buy it and recite reviews as to whey HE liked it.
That's Metallica for me.
I do enjoy some of their songs across all their albums, but I just do not see them as "legendary".
Music is weird for me, in that a song can be played so consistently everywhere to the point I see no need to purchase the music. Enter Sandman is a song where I will not go out of my way to listen to. When it does come on, depending on my mood, I will still enjoy it as if it was my first time hearing it, that is only after not listening to it for quite a while.
For me, Legendary in music should include having a vast discography of music released. Rush is definitely deserving of that status of Legendary.
My question to you is...What is it about Rush that you can't seem to grasp that other people seem to rave about?
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Nothing i've heard from RUSH has grabbed me. I don't like the guitar sound. Not into Geddy's voice. He can obviously play drums but i'm not a fan of Peart's STYLE.
Peart to me always looked so stiff when he was playing and I'm not into his drumparts.
IMO Dream Theater are better than RUSH by a long way.
TOOL are legendary to a lot of people but they only have five albums. Are DT more legendary than TOOL simply because they have fifteen albums ?
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I feel we're moving into WildRanger territory here.
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I feel we're moving into WildRanger territory here.
:lol
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Certainly looks like it.
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Which goes with my belief that if some band or musician is considered " legendary " then a lot of people will just accept that and buy all their albums
and convince themselves it's great.
Why would you think that? Who would do that?
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Nothing i've heard from RUSH has grabbed me. I don't like the guitar sound. Not into Geddy's voice. He can obviously play drums but i'm not a fan of Peart's STYLE.
Peart to me always looked so stiff when he was playing and I'm not into his drumparts.
IMO Dream Theater are better than RUSH by a long way.
TOOL are legendary to a lot of people but they only have five albums. Are DT more legendary than TOOL simply because they have fifteen albums ?
Just to illustrate how much of a taste thing this is, I thought Portnoy was the most amazing drummer ever, and then I really delved into Rush and felt like Peart was just on a whole other level. For me, the way Peart would compose his parts and structure his fills was just so much more musical and engaging than a lot of the stuff MP does. Same for comparing the overall songwriting between both bands. Rush’s music just seems to have a lot more intellectual and emotional depth than DT’s to me. But of course everyone has a different reaction to things, and different things they value in music. I can appreciate some of the more over the top compositions DT does to an extent, but that isn’t what tends to move me the most in music.
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Some stuff just doesn't hit you/turns you off. My missus hates Geddy's voice so much that it's comical. I can understand it, actually.
Not digging Peart or Lifeson or Geddy's bass playing? Well, that I don't get. :) But that's cool.
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Yea, the idea that people like things you don't and have ulterior motivations beyond just genuinely enjoying it is quite strange.
I do think there are external factors to the music that influence people to listen to and "like" certain music though. There is social cachet from being affiliated with certain artists are particular times. In some situations it's whatever the hit pop music is, in underground circles it can be specific respected artists, or sometimes it's newer, upcoming bands that aren't yet overexposed. For some of these there is a wave of hype that will fade years down the road and many people will abandon these bands when their 15 minutes is up.
Also, one friend buying music he reads about in the press (which isn't all that unusual) does not necessarily mean that is the norm for the population at large.
Yeah, there are a lot of people that can have their taste summed up by them as "whatever's on the radio".
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Nothing i've heard from RUSH has grabbed me. I don't like the guitar sound. Not into Geddy's voice. He can obviously play drums but i'm not a fan of Peart's STYLE.
Peart to me always looked so stiff when he was playing and I'm not into his drumparts.
IMO Dream Theater are better than RUSH by a long way.
TOOL are legendary to a lot of people but they only have five albums. Are DT more legendary than TOOL simply because they have fifteen albums ?
To me, Yes. And that is not just because they have more albums than Tool.
Although I do enjoy Tool a lot. I also do not consider them really Legendary. They're Legendary in a Barney Stinson kind of way. :lol
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Yeah, there are a lot of people that can have their taste summed up by them as "whatever's on the radio".
+1 Or like someone else said " Oh I love this band " = 'I like that one song I hear all the time and couldn't name a single member of the band or any album.'
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I also occasionally run into the type that I initially think are going to be into metal quite deeply as they often wear metal shirts, but it turns out they LOVE like two quite different quality acts (eg. Maiden and Five Finger Death Punch) and have NO interest in anything else at all.
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Haha insert clueless teen in NIRVANA or Ramones t shirt here.
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I made up a joke about this...
" Oh you like Megadeth ? Name 12 of their bass players..."
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You're joking, but if you picked a different instrument you wouldn't have to be. They have literally had 14 different guitar players. I could only name 9 off the top of my head though. The others are short-stint live players.
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I also occasionally run into the type that I initially think are going to be into metal quite deeply as they often wear metal shirts, but it turns out they LOVE like two quite different quality acts (eg. Maiden and Five Finger Death Punch) and have NO interest in anything else at all.
Haha insert clueless teen in NIRVANA or Ramones t shirt here.
I honestly would place some blame towards Hot Topic. That store rose in popularity with the metal scene, until it slowly started being took over and turned into a trend and fashion.
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At some point, this so-called metal rulebook is what's keeping the metal genre from being wider and appreciated (an appreciation that the so-called fans of the genre so greatly desire, ironically, and then gets pissy when someone does something that doesn't respect it), in my opinion. You can't do this, you can't do that, you can't wear this, you gotta know this to be a part of that, and so forth, in order to be called a true fan. It's all load of horsecrap. Just let the people be fans in their own paths.
On another note, would people be that much happier in society if the Black Album was never made or became a legacy album and Metallica would never became the band that everyone knows the name and not know a single song from them?
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At some point, this so-called metal rulebook is what's keeping the metal genre from being wider and appreciated (an appreciation that the so-called fans of the genre so greatly desire, ironically, and then gets pissy when someone does something that doesn't respect it), in my opinion.
I've met and experienced metalheads that were about the least tolerant people towards other types of music, or even specific subgenres of metal itself, despite claiming that they are an open an inclusive subculture. Some of those folks are ridiculously snobby and close-minded.
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No gatekeeping at all. It's fascinating to me (and terrific) that folks have such different tastes and approaches to the music they enjoy. I also find it odd in myself that I struggle to understand those differences. (Eg: "Whaddyou mean you hate InsertBandHere?!")
Just observations, not dissing.
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Haha insert clueless teen in NIRVANA or Ramones t shirt here.
Thing is, a lot of people are just casual music fans, and that's fine. Plus as a teen, you're generally just getting into music so it's not surprising they don't know the ins and outs of every band they like. What's wrong with that? If a kid is getting into music, likes 3 Nirvana tunes and considers himself a fan, then he is a fan.
Bullshit gatekeeping only alienates people. This same kid may be sampling loads of bands, and in ten years he may have delved fully into the band. Because he doesn't know their entire catalogue and history of the band, doesn't make him less than you.
The first band I really got into as a kid was The Offspring. I owned Americana, and that's it. I considered myself a fan, and was a fan. It took me years to work through their catalogue, and even now there are the odd albums I've not heard. If I'd have been confronted by some fan in his thirties asking me to name all the songs off Smash I'd have just thought "what the fuck? I like this band, why is it a big deal I don't know all their music yet?".
Some people just have fragile egos, tied into their musical taste, as it is a big part of who they are I guess.
:corn
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You're joking, but if you picked a different instrument you wouldn't have to be. They have literally had 14 different guitar players. I could only name 9 off the top of my head though. The others are short-stint live players.
Yeah the new guy Kiro ? Obviously Marty Friedman. Chris Broderick ? The wiki page for all their lineups is funny. Theyre worse than Fleetwood mac.
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14 guitarists? Really?
Dave
Marty
Glen Drover
Chris Poland
Chris Broderick
Jeff Young
Al Pitrelli
Kiko
That's all the studio guys, no?
Edit: Missed the part at the end where you said they were short term live players.
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Haha insert clueless teen in NIRVANA or Ramones t shirt here.
Thing is, a lot of people are just casual music fans, and that's fine. Plus as a teen, you're generally just getting into music so it's not surprising they don't know the ins and outs of every band they like. What's wrong with that? If a kid is getting into music, likes 3 Nirvana tunes and considers himself a fan, then he is a fan.
Bullshit gatekeeping only alienates people. This same kid may be sampling loads of bands, and in ten years he may have delved fully into the band. Because he doesn't know their entire catalogue and history of the band, doesn't make him less than you.
The first band I really got into as a kid was The Offspring. I owned Americana, and that's it. I considered myself a fan, and was a fan. It took me years to work through their catalogue, and even now there are the odd albums I've not heard. If I'd have been confronted by some fan in his thirties asking me to name all the songs off Smash I'd have just thought "what the fuck? I like this band, why is it a big deal I don't know all their music yet?".
Some people just have fragile egos, tied into their musical taste, as it is a big part of who they are I guess.
:corn
It's just part of the game of being a fan..."Playing The Fan" is a concept that all games and forms of play have. Fans in themselves have their own form of play and game outside of the actual Game they're a fan of, outside the courts, venues and rings.
Sports fans are the best example of this, just look at how they treat new fans and those that are termed "Posers". Posers are in every "Fan Gameplay" where it's "The hero needs an enemy" and picking on the weak, in this case weak meaning the ignorant and less knowledgeable. Even trivia games have this with the smarter "nerds" picking on and making fun of the lesser weak dumber "needs".
This form of play and Game branched out into the music world, look at what is labelled and defined as great and good music. It's a form of rules, as all play has rules.
This is that mindset that Mike Portnoy still has and it's never left him. It's why I say, Mike Portnoy, is still that fan and plays that game of the fan. It's just that the fan in the stands that showed his spirit and dons the outfit of hardcore fan, has finally become the star player in the field.
It's why for me, to truly have unity music there needs to be a band that doesn't give two shits what the fans think and just play the music they want to make without any rules. The rules need to be broken as this game itself has become corrupted and it's not fun to play the game anymore....it's not fun to Roll The Bones.
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It's just part of the game of being a fan..."Playing The Fan" is a concept that all games and forms of play have. Fans in themselves have their own form of play and game outside of the actual Game they're a fan of, outside the courts, venues and rings.
Sports fans are the best example of this, just look at how they treat new fans and those that are termed "Posers". Posers are in every "Fan Gameplay" where it's "The hero needs an enemy" and picking on the weak, in this case weak meaning the ignorant and less knowledgeable. Even trivia games have this with the smarter "nerds" picking on and making fun of the lesser weak dumber "needs".
This form of play and Game branched out into the music world, look at what is labelled and defined as great and good music. It's a form of rules, as all play has rules.
This is that mindset that Mike Portnoy still has and it's never left him. It's why I say, Mike Portnoy, is still that fan and plays that game of the fan. It's just that the fan in the stands that showed his spirit and dons the outfit of hardcore fan, has finally become the star player in the field.
It's why for me, to truly have unity music there needs to be a band that doesn't give two shits what the fans think and just play the music they want to make without any rules. The rules need to be broken as this game itself has become corrupted and it's not fun to play the game anymore....it's not fun to Roll The Bones.
You're not wrong, but this is really key:
Some people just have fragile egos, tied into their musical taste, as it is a big part of who they are I guess.
:corn
I think we forget just how random the "liking" process really is. I didn't pick what I like and don't like. I could, through a roll of the cosmic bones, just as easily like show tunes and gansta rap. When I heard Kiss, it gave me goosebumps and it was PURELY a visceral response. There was ZERO thought to it. I get why it happened NOW, but that's all hindsight, not any cognizant thinking at the time. I can't take any claim for any great intellect or insight or superiority for having liked Crimson's "Red" and I won't take any hits for having liked Harry Styles' "Watermelon Sugar".
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The heart wants what the heart wants.
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I think we forget just how random the "liking" process really is. I didn't pick what I like and don't like.
You didn't literally, no, but everything you do or don't like is also an indirect result of what you have done in your life, from birth up until the point where you're now. You can't ignore stuff like what country, or even city, you're from, your background or your ethnicity, your upbringing, the people you hang out with, etc. etc., but also what interests you personally. There's likely actually a hint of bias in you that makes you enjoy King Crimson (because other people you know like it) or Watermelon Sugar (because the radio, or your daughter tells you it's good). Everyone is shaped by the world around us, whether we're conscious of it and realise it happening or not.
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It's why for me, to truly have unity music there needs to be a band that doesn't give two shits what the fans think and just play the music they want to make without any rules. The rules need to be broken as this game itself has become corrupted and it's not fun to play the game anymore....it's not fun to Roll The Bones.
I couldn't agree more...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8t0i4SWwAElJjh.jpg)
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I think we forget just how random the "liking" process really is. I didn't pick what I like and don't like.
You didn't literally, no, but everything you do or don't like is also an indirect result of what you have done in your life, from birth up until the point where you're now. You can't ignore stuff like what country, or even city, you're from, your background or your ethnicity, your upbringing, the people you hang out with, etc. etc., but also what interests you personally. There's likely actually a hint of bias in you that makes you enjoy King Crimson (because other people you know like it) or Watermelon Sugar (because the radio, or your daughter tells you it's good). Everyone is shaped by the world around us, whether we're conscious of it and realise it happening or not.
Well yes, all of that is true. I think Stads was pointing out it being a conscious choice. So I think you're both right. However, since the bulk of this was in response to someone saying that a lot of people choose to like things for whatever reason, I think his point is well made.
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I think we forget just how random the "liking" process really is. I didn't pick what I like and don't like.
You didn't literally, no, but everything you do or don't like is also an indirect result of what you have done in your life, from birth up until the point where you're now. You can't ignore stuff like what country, or even city, you're from, your background or your ethnicity, your upbringing, the people you hang out with, etc. etc., but also what interests you personally. There's likely actually a hint of bias in you that makes you enjoy King Crimson (because other people you know like it) or Watermelon Sugar (because the radio, or your daughter tells you it's good). Everyone is shaped by the world around us, whether we're conscious of it and realise it happening or not.
I would argue we're saying the same thing. I didn't pick what country I was born in or raised in. I didn't pick my ethnicity. I didn't, up until college, REALLY pick who I hung out with. And FOR ME, I can't speak to anyone else, but my EXPOSURE to something is because someone else likes it, not whether I actually like it. I wouldn't have ever heard of Harry Styles if it wasn't for my daughter, but there's a lot she likes - Fall Out Boy, Panic! At The Disco - that I don't care for, but I listened and found myself waking up singing "Golden" and "Sign Of The Times" and wanting to hear it again. So I put it on my iPod. For me, I don't quite understand the concept of "guilty pleasure" in that I don't feel guilty about ANY of the music I like (though I will sometimes exaggerate my humility about certain things, like Kiss and Harry Styles).
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It's just part of the game of being a fan..."Playing The Fan" is a concept that all games and forms of play have. Fans in themselves have their own form of play and game outside of the actual Game they're a fan of, outside the courts, venues and rings.
Sports fans are the best example of this, just look at how they treat new fans and those that are termed "Posers". Posers are in every "Fan Gameplay" where it's "The hero needs an enemy" and picking on the weak, in this case weak meaning the ignorant and less knowledgeable. Even trivia games have this with the smarter "nerds" picking on and making fun of the lesser weak dumber "needs".
This form of play and Game branched out into the music world, look at what is labelled and defined as great and good music. It's a form of rules, as all play has rules.
This is that mindset that Mike Portnoy still has and it's never left him. It's why I say, Mike Portnoy, is still that fan and plays that game of the fan. It's just that the fan in the stands that showed his spirit and dons the outfit of hardcore fan, has finally become the star player in the field.
It's why for me, to truly have unity music there needs to be a band that doesn't give two shits what the fans think and just play the music they want to make without any rules. The rules need to be broken as this game itself has become corrupted and it's not fun to play the game anymore....it's not fun to Roll The Bones.
You're not wrong, but this is really key:
Some people just have fragile egos, tied into their musical taste, as it is a big part of who they are I guess.
:corn
I think we forget just how random the "liking" process really is. I didn't pick what I like and don't like. I could, through a roll of the cosmic bones, just as easily like show tunes and gansta rap. When I heard Kiss, it gave me goosebumps and it was PURELY a visceral response. There was ZERO thought to it. I get why it happened NOW, but that's all hindsight, not any cognizant thinking at the time. I can't take any claim for any great intellect or insight or superiority for having liked Crimson's "Red" and I won't take any hits for having liked Harry Styles' "Watermelon Sugar".
That's one beauty I love about music. There's no thought to it, and that is what makes it subjective and how there is no way it can be objectively defined as good or bad. It just is, and if it moves you great, and if not, that's great too. And how trends can be hit or miss depending on "coming out at the right moment."
It's also why I find it pretty funny how the Soilwork guys made The Night Flight Orchestra, completely opposite of what you would consider metal musicians to make. Imagine if they were to have done this in the 80's... :lol
There are people who are amused at the type of music I like. They get so mystified and end up saying things like "What are you listening to?" I just laugh, turn it up and say "Music, just listen to it." :lol
I also tend to like and enjoy things that end up being the majority consensus of the worst song on the album. Prophets of War for one example here.
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14 guitarists? Really?
Dave
Marty
Glen Drover
Chris Poland
Chris Broderick
Jeff Young
Al Pitrelli
Kiko
That's all the studio guys, no?
Edit: Missed the part at the end where you said they were short term live players.
Yeah, Kerry King, Greg Handevidt, Robert Cromwell, Brett Michael Phillips, Jay Reynolds, and Mike Albert. Kerry was the only one of those I knew without looking it up.
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It's also why I find it pretty funny how the Soilwork guys made The Night Flight Orchestra, completely opposite of what you would consider metal musicians to make.
Taking this sentence out of your post, because I don't see really how it ties into the rest of it. I like the other things you wrote, especially about music just being music, and that's why I don't see why it's 'funny' that metal musician created a hard rock band. That's not really too far from each other stylistically. I find that a lot of people I know make music in different genres, or by blending influences. If I look at myself for example, I'm originally a rock/metal guitarist (well actually, I'm originally a saxophone player), but nowadays I play a lot of jazz with other jazz musicians. I enjoy both for different reasons, but mainly because it's both music.
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It's also why I find it pretty funny how the Soilwork guys made The Night Flight Orchestra, completely opposite of what you would consider metal musicians to make.
Taking this sentence out of your post, because I don't see really how it ties into the rest of it. I like the other things you wrote, especially about music just being music, and that's why I don't see why it's 'funny' that metal musician created a hard rock band. That's not really too far from each other stylistically. I find that a lot of people I know make music in different genres, or by blending influences. If I look at myself for example, I'm originally a rock/metal guitarist (well actually, I'm originally a saxophone player), but nowadays I play a lot of jazz with other jazz musicians. I enjoy both for different reasons, but mainly because it's both music.
I do, only because of the insecure Metal Head fans. That's who this is mainly about. It's about those Metal Heads getting a wad up in their bum. :lol
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New band that I dug their 1st song. Band is called, NHC.
Navaro (Jane's Addiction)
Hawkins (Foo Fighters)
Chaney (Jane's Addiction)
Taylor has a great voice.
https://youtu.be/fTtlFUutim8
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I'll give that a listen tomorrow, looks like an interesting mix. Speaking of drummers having amazing voices I saw barebacked ladies a few years ago and for an encore the drummer came out and sang whole lotta love and he was awesome. He was a better singer than their actual lead singer.
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I recently saw The Rolling Stones live on tv from somewhere... And Keith took lead vocals on a song..
Why is he not the singer ? His voice is way better than Mick ;D
He has a kind of Paul Rodgers quality to his voice. I didn't even know he could sing.
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New band that I dug their 1st song. Band is called, NHC.
Navaro (Jane's Addiction)
Hawkins (Foo Fighters)
Chaney (Jane's Addiction)
Taylor has a great voice.
https://youtu.be/fTtlFUutim8
Whoa, this is news. Is there an album or just a single?
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I recently saw The Rolling Stones live on tv from somewhere... And Keith took lead vocals on a song..
Why is he not the singer ? His voice is way better than Mick ;D
He has a kind of Paul Rodgers quality to his voice. I didn't even know he could sing.
He's always taken one, sometimes two, songs per setlist (and usually one song per album). He's NOT a great singer, but he's a man that knows his limitations and so when he does sing it's a nice counterpoint to the rest of the material around him.
I DO happen to like Mick as a singer. His voice has maintained itself like few others after 55 years.
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New band that I dug their 1st song. Band is called, NHC.
Navaro (Jane's Addiction)
Hawkins (Foo Fighters)
Chaney (Jane's Addiction)
Taylor has a great voice.
https://youtu.be/fTtlFUutim8
Very cool. Dave has a great voice himself—I consider his 2001 solo album a lost/hidden gem of a record.
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I Paid DRUM LEGENDS To Record The Same Prog Rock Song, Then This Happened! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUTBDcDLxCc)
So this video has shown up in my feed for a couple of weeks. I decided to watch it tonight. It is very cool. Warning..there are NO legends in this video, but it is very cool nonetheless.
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I used HYPERBOLE to make people watch my otherwise uninteresting video !
I filmed drummers PLAYING then talked and shouted all over their performances !
One of those YouTube videos where it's ostensibly about other people ... but it's really about the guy talking.
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I didn't get that at all.
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Maybe but that's pretty much all REACTION!! Videos
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I usually dig the dudes videos. I wish he had a few more drummers in that one but the idea is actually really cool.
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I haven't watched that particular video yet, but I'm a drummer and have watched many Stephen Taylor videos, so I'll give him a pass. He's a superlative teacher and communicator, and if he has to resort to clickbait occasionally, I'll let it go, because there's always substance to his videos.
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I've never heard of the guy, but he seemed pretty cool in the video.
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I had a good drum today on my electro-acoustic kit. Played to 30 mins of my old punk-metal band KOTOW's album.
We loved odd timings and only used 4/4 if the part sounded better.
I remember nobody outside of the band could get their heads around the timings of "Emergency Exit" :p
The verse is in 15 or 9/4 then 6/4. However you prefer to count it The chorus is in 3/4 and the middle 8 goes between 6/4 and 7/4 hehe.
https://open.spotify.com/track/1sNnDMtJUraYu7YEMQ5hkq?si=e126e7271bf04f2b
Here it is if anyone fancies a listen. When we existed as a band I was the drummer and I wrote half of the music. My bro was the bassist and vocalist and wrote most of the other half.
The main riff in this song was his riff. Then we wrote the rest of it together as a band. :)
* On the studio album I played all the guitar. My bro did bass and vocals and the drums were all programmed.
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I had a good drum today on my electro-acoustic kit. Played to 30 mins of my old punk-metal band KOTOW's album.
We loved odd timings and only used 4/4 if the part sounded better.
I remember nobody outside of the band could get their heads around the timings of "Emergency Exit" :p
The verse is in 15 or 9/4 then 6/4. However you prefer to count it The chorus is in 3/4 and the middle 8 goes between 6/4 and 7/4 hehe.
https://open.spotify.com/track/1sNnDMtJUraYu7YEMQ5hkq?si=e126e7271bf04f2b
Here it is if anyone fancies a listen. When we existed as a band I was the drummer and I wrote half of the music. My bro was the bassist and vocalist and wrote most of the other half.
The main riff in this song was his riff. Then we wrote the rest of it together as a band. :)
* On the studio album I played all the guitar. My bro did bass and vocals and the drums were all programmed.
I'd love to give it a listen, but I don't do Spotify...is your stuff streaming on anything else?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAbApPuQUW4
:corn
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So in my 45+ years of life, I had never read, heard, or uttered the word "conservatorship." But now because of whatever in the blue hell is going on with Britney Spears, I swear I see this word every couple days in a headline somewhere.
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I believe that is called the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon.
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I've not followed it much but it sounds like she's had a crap decade or two.
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I've not followed it much but it sounds like she's had a crap ALBUM or two.
FTFY :hat
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;) Probably that too. (Never heard one)
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I've not followed it much but it sounds like she's had a crap decade or two.
She certainly has.
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I've not followed it much but it sounds like she's had a crap ALBUM or two.
FTFY :hat
Depends what you're looking for. If you're looking for double-album prog concept records about the relationship between the Fibonacci sequence and fractals, sure, they're crap.
If you're looking for catchy pop that has melodies that sticks with you for days, then I think you may be trading on stereotypes; I know several people with exquisite taste in music that very much like her records.
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Haven't listened to a ton of Britney, but Toxic is pretty awesome.
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Haven't listened to a ton of Britney, but Toxic is pretty awesome.
Is that the one with the crazy 2 minute keyboard solo?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAbApPuQUW4
:corn
FYI—I checked out the link.
Good stuff! It's really cool to be able to place a 'musical face' with your posts.
I hear an Oceansize-meets-Ghost sort of vibe there, and the song sounds like a promising beginning. Any reason you guys hung it up? Or are you just on a hiatus?
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Haven't listened to a ton of Britney, but Toxic is pretty awesome.
Is that the one with the crazy 2 minute keyboard solo?
No no, it's the one in alternating 16/8 and 765/128. Oddly, it IS about the relationship between the Fibonacci sequence and fractals.
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AC/DC have a new song out.
It sounds exactly like AC/DC.
If you like AC/DC you'll love it.
For everyone else - it sounds exactly like every other AC/DC song you've ever heard.
It's their music & career - but I don't know how THEY don't get sick of sounding the exact same on every album.
Like - sitting in the mastering suite for album 47 going " We outdid ourselves this time. We really pushed ourselves to make something really special. Oh wait no it's just A D and G again " ;D
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Can it be, that you're a bit envious of all those that write catchy and successful tunes?
Or why else do you constantly bitch about artists you don't understand/don't like/don't care about? Why not talk about the ones you like instead?
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Thanks for the reminder that it dropped!
I quite enjoyed it.
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AC/DC have a new song out.
It sounds exactly like AC/DC.
If you like AC/DC you'll love it.
For everyone else - it sounds exactly like every other AC/DC song you've ever heard.
It's their music & career - but I don't know how THEY don't get sick of sounding the exact same on every album.
Like - sitting in the mastering suite for album 47 going " We outdid ourselves this time. We really pushed ourselves to make something really special. Oh wait no it's just A D and G again " ;D
That’s a great song. One of the best on the album, it it really doesn’t sound all that samey to me.
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I've not followed it much but it sounds like she's had a crap ALBUM or two.
FTFY :hat
Depends what you're looking for. If you're looking for double-album prog concept records about the relationship between the Fibonacci sequence and fractals, sure, they're crap.
If you're looking for catchy pop that has melodies that sticks with you for days, then I think you may be trading on stereotypes; I know several people with exquisite taste in music that very much like her records.
I've heard from a number of reputable people that Blackout is a pretty good album, and the scores for it at music snob aggregators seem to confirm this. I keep putting the album off myself, but I would imagine that prog nerds who are open to quality electronic pop music like Chvrches and such should probably consider at least evaluating it, putting aside judgements of past material at least temporarily.
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Thanks for the reminder that it dropped!
I quite enjoyed it.
Agreed! I've been playing the last record a ton...despite all the hell they've gone through, the band sounds totally reviatalized.
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Can it be, that you're a bit envious of all those that write catchy and successful tunes?
Or why else do you constantly bitch about artists you don't understand/don't like/don't care about? Why not talk about the ones you like instead?
Like Green Day, who do the same three-chord trick as well. But when they do, it's suddenly okay :splode:
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Like - sitting in the mastering suite for album 47 going " We outdid ourselves this time. We really pushed ourselves to make something really special. Oh wait no it's just A D and G again " ;D
Keep in mind that not all musicians listen to their own music. Johnny Ramone didn't care about some of his '80s output.
It's like Mr. McDonalds. It's likely he doesn't enjoy eating his own food everyday. But, it produces lots of money. So, he sticks with it.
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Can it be, that you're a bit envious of all those that write catchy and successful tunes?
Or why else do you constantly bitch about artists you don't understand/don't like/don't care about? Why not talk about the ones you like instead?
Worse troll than Blabbermouth
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Also I’m not “bitching” about them. I like a lot of their stuff.
I just don’t get why they always sound SO similar.
Of course I’ve not heard EVERY album. But I’ve heard enough to notice
That a lot of their songs sound identical. :).
But it’s their music and career. :)
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I think in some cases the band stick to their sound because that's the music they enjoy making and playing. With some bands you have very different minded people and they all agree on a certain sound and if you start pulling in either direction it might cause those splits because they don't agree on the direction of the music.
But I also think there's bands that try something different, maybe it gets fairly lukewarm reception and they go back to their old sound as a safety thing. Bands like Maiden and Metallica that changed things up a bit during the 90s but reception wasn't the best so ultimately they were like "alright let's get back to what we know".
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Can it be, that you're a bit envious of all those that write catchy and successful tunes?
Or why else do you constantly bitch about artists you don't understand/don't like/don't care about? Why not talk about the ones you like instead?
Like Green Day, who do the same three-chord trick as well. But when they do, it's suddenly okay :splode:
Dookie doesn’t sound like Nimrod which doesn’t sound like Warning or
21st century breakdown. Green Days albums can sound vastly different.
Whereas most AC/DC I’ve heard all have the same “tone” from album to album.
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Sometimes it depends on how big of a fan we are. My girlfriend would swear that every band I listen to (from Metallica to Pain of Salvation) sound the same.
I remember I saw Iced Earth once and, even though I know all their songs, I realized that if I were not familiar with them, I'd think I was listening to one 90 minute song with breaks.
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Well, AC/DC really DOES sound almost exactly the same, if not from song to song, from album to album.
But I don't begrudge them, since that's how they make their money. Their fans eat it up.
It doesn't interest ME all that much, but I still listen to some of their classics from time to time. More power to them.
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Yes i'm not bitching. It's not for me although I do like a lot of their songs.
Rock Or Bust has a hell of a main riff.
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There's plenty of bands I feel 'sound the same' whether it's AC/DC, Foo Fighters, Green Day or U2 but I think part of it is not being a huge fan either. If it's a band you really like and they keep making music like they have in the past, there's not much reason to complain as a fan. You also have to look at some bands like Iron Maiden who in 83 could have gone "Yeah we've made Number of the Beast and Piece of Mind, now let's change direction to not get stale" but they kept trucking along and we got one of those classic album runs.
While there's not many newer bands who have forged a legacy like Maiden or AC/DC, I think some bands have that mentality that "we've put out 2 great albums in this style, let's keep going" and in some cases the band has a strong 4-5 album run, in other cases they fall off creatively. But you take an even bigger risk when changing style because it doesn't always pay off either.
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I agree that 'selling out' can also mean putting out the same music every time cause you know it will sell a bucket load.
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Also I’m not “bitching” about them. I like a lot of their stuff.
I just don’t get why they always sound SO similar.
Of course I’ve not heard EVERY album. But I’ve heard enough to notice
That a lot of their songs sound identical. :).
But it’s their music and career. :)
I think there's something to the bold. I grew up with AC/DC, and I've been a consistent and steady fan for most of my life. You play a song from them and I can more often than not tell you the album just by the sound. For someone familiar with it, they DON'T sound all the same and I sort of laugh at that. The songs on High Voltage (US) do not sound ANYTHING like the songs on Highway To Hell. There's a shade more same-iness to the Johnson years, but songs off FTATR don't sound ANYTHING like the songs off Blow Up Your Video to me. But - and not to pile on Green Day - I feel the same about them. Other than "Jesus of Suburbia", they've been putting out the same 3:15 second faux punk knock-off for over two decades. Slayer? 12 albums of 10 songs each that are all "I hate God!" riff riff riff, wheedly wheedly solo, riff riff riff "I hate God some more!" riff riff riff. Yawn, for me, but it's very much because I'm not familiar with the intricacies.
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Also I’m not “bitching” about them. I like a lot of their stuff.
I just don’t get why they always sound SO similar.
Of course I’ve not heard EVERY album. But I’ve heard enough to notice
That a lot of their songs sound identical. :).
But it’s their music and career. :)
I think there's something to the bold. I grew up with AC/DC, and I've been a consistent and steady fan for most of my life. You play a song from them and I can more often than not tell you the album just by the sound. For someone familiar with it, they DON'T sound all the same and I sort of laugh at that. The songs on High Voltage (US) do not sound ANYTHING like the songs on Highway To Hell. There's a shade more same-iness to the Johnson years, but songs off FTATR don't sound ANYTHING like the songs off Blow Up Your Video to me. But - and not to pile on Green Day - I feel the same about them. Other than "Jesus of Suburbia", they've been putting out the same 3:15 second faux punk knock-off for over two decades. Slayer? 12 albums of 10 songs each that are all "I hate God!" riff riff riff, wheedly wheedly solo, riff riff riff "I hate God some more!" riff riff riff. Yawn, for me, but it's very much because I'm not familiar with the intricacies.
Stads, I think your statements about Green Day/Slayer show that you haven't extensively listened to each band, so they are way off. But that was obviously your point.
As someone who has been a big fan of both bands, for nearly 20 years, although those statements ring true to certain eras of the bands careers, it is unfair to generalise their whole career.
Yes, 3:15 faux punk knock-off rings true for everything post American Idiot for Green Day, and I hate God!" riff riff riff, wheedly wheedly solo, riff riff riff "I hate God some more!" riff riff riff certainly does not represent their early career.
But as I said, your view on those bands proves your point, as does Kotow's view on AC/DC. It's easy to say it all sounds the same if you don't get it/immerse yourself in it. For a lot of people all heavy metal sounds exactly the same to them, and how ridiculous is that?!
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You're 100% right: I was making a point, not slagging those bands (I like, not love, Green Day and though I am not a fan of Slayer, it's not for any of the reasons I wrote).
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Yea I get it, I know we're on the same page. I quoted your post but I was using it to point out how wrong it was for Kowtow's sake, not yours :lol
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I agree that 'selling out' can also mean putting out the same music every time cause you know it will sell a bucket load.
I disagree.
It's not selling out when your career is based off of that same sound and style.
Selling Out is when you completely disregard your integrity of creating good music to create music that sells, usually this consists of trends in music that are popular at the time.
One person I would call sell-out is Machine Gun Kelly. He was a great rapper, but he uses that talent to make money and for the fame. He is not using his talent to create awesome rap songs or any other type of song he wants. He's using it as a tool to fame and using that as a means to put his name on the tabloids, such as the feud with Corey Taylor.
In other words, just because the music is repetitive does not mean the artist is a sell-out. If it's the music the artist wants to create and it happens to sell, then why not continue making that style of music if it continues to generate income.
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I agree that 'selling out' can also mean putting out the same music every time cause you know it will sell a bucket load.
Only if that’s the only reason you do it.
AC/DC have a style and pretty much stick to it. If Angus or Malcolm wanted to do something other than this they could have done solo projects, but as far as I know (and I’m more of a casual fan of the classic years than an Uber fan) they haven’t.
Plenty of the bands I liked in the 80s did try the sellout route and suddenly went “grunge” as though it was what they always wanted to do. The biggest sellouts for me were Pantera. Trying to be a glam band but then suddenly becoming whatever the hell they became? Which was really them?
I’m not sure if changing with the times like Rush did, or KISS or Alice Cooper is selling out because I guess there’s a fine line between genre jumping and incorporating new influences into what you do.
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I do laugh when people say Metallica sold out on the Black Album.
Not really. The songs were just shorter and they wanted better production.
You really think a song like Of Wolf And Man or Thru The Never wouldn't have fit on And Justice For All ? It would have just been twice as long.
They knew well before Bob Rock came aboard the songs were getting too long and they had taken that sound as far as they could.
And as for LOAD - Yeah No. Their sound got a bit more Southern influenced but more commercial ? Not really.
Load was an 80 minute album with 7 - 10 minute songs. Hardly radio friendly.
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I do laugh when people say Metallica sold out on the Black Album.
Not really. The songs were just shorter and they wanted better production.
You really think a song like Of Wolf And Man or Thru The Never wouldn't have fit on And Justice For All ? It would have just been twice as long.
They knew well before Bob Rock came aboard the songs were getting too long and they had taken that sound as far as they could.
And as for LOAD - Yeah No. Their sound got a bit more Southern influenced but more commercial ? Not really.
Load was an 80 minute album with 7 - 10 minute songs. Hardly radio friendly.
Imagine Leper Messiah with the production of The Black Album. That is one song I think would totally fit on that album.
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I've heard from a number of reputable people that Blackout is a pretty good album, and the scores for it at music snob aggregators seem to confirm this. I keep putting the album off myself, but I would imagine that prog nerds who are open to quality electronic pop music like Chvrches and such should probably consider at least evaluating it, putting aside judgements of past material at least temporarily.
Bloody love Chvrches, me. Will check it out.
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Can it be, that you're a bit envious of all those that write catchy and successful tunes?
Or why else do you constantly bitch about artists you don't understand/don't like/don't care about? Why not talk about the ones you like instead?
To be fair, he does bring up Metallica, which seems to be his favorite band, out of nowhere in almost every thread in which he posts, so that seems like an unfair question? ;) :P :lol
But, yeah, I don't get the need some have to constantly complain about artists they do not like. 99% of the (mostly) constructive criticism I post is about artists of whom I am a fan (the other 1% is directed at Kiss, who deserve derision :lol).
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:hat
Not a bitch. An observation.
In the music chat thread.
Not even the AC/DC thread.
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Can it be, that you're a bit envious of all those that write catchy and successful tunes?
Or why else do you constantly bitch about artists you don't understand/don't like/don't care about? Why not talk about the ones you like instead?
To be fair, he does bring up Metallica, which seems to be his favorite band, out of nowhere in almost every thread in which he posts, so that seems like an unfair question? ;) :P :lol
But, yeah, I don't get the need some have to constantly complain about artists they do not like. 99% of the (mostly) constructive criticism I post is about artists of whom I am a fan (the other 1% is directed at Kiss, who deserve derision :lol).
Bite me.
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I don't think i've ever once gone into a band specific thread exclusively to say THEY SUCK.
Secondly I hate when people insult others for their music taste.
Insult the artist sure not the person. That's just infantile.
And why should all chat be positive ?
I can't say I think that a lot of AC/DC sounds very similar indeed ? To the point of self parody ? Admittedly I do like a lot of their songs but I can still have
an opinion on their oeuvre.. Rock N Roll Train is a banger and Rock or Bust has an awesome main riff. The audio on the official video is amazing.
It sounds like it was recorded live in the studio but everything has so much punch and Judy clarity.
:coolio
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Secondly I hate when people insult others for their music taste.
Insult the artist sure not the person. That's just infantile.
Well obviously. Anyone with an IQ in double figures chooses rock over pop.
people with single figure IQs choose " duh musix wot has the woooah woooah woooah "
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Secondly I hate when people insult others for their music taste.
Insult the artist sure not the person. That's just infantile.
Well obviously. Anyone with an IQ in double figures chooses rock over pop.
people with single figure IQs choose " duh musix wot has the woooah woooah woooah "
(https://c.tenor.com/lFX4D_-ES1IAAAAC/the-office-michael-scott.gif)
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1. Learn to recognise an obvious joke.
2. Stop stalking me, seriously. Like - you just knew that post existed and where to find it ? Ok dude - if that's how you spend your day...
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I've heard from a number of reputable people that Blackout is a pretty good album, and the scores for it at music snob aggregators seem to confirm this. I keep putting the album off myself, but I would imagine that prog nerds who are open to quality electronic pop music like Chvrches and such should probably consider at least evaluating it, putting aside judgements of past material at least temporarily.
Bloody love Chvrches, me. Will check it out.
I suppose I should update now that I finally convinced myself to check it out. First, mentioning Chvrches is in the context that it fortunately seems much more common now for prog-oriented fans to give some pop music a chance than a lot of the elitism that used to go on in past decades, and Chvrches seem to be one artist that appeals to prog fans for some reason. But as I suspected and can now confirm, Britney Spears' Blackout definitely doesn't sound like Chvrches. It's electronic-oriented pop as well, sure, but it's quite a different vibe, with more modern electroclash and R&B sonic aesthetics and less of the somewhat retro 80s synth-pop vibe that Chvrches tends to dabble with. And as I worried, I still can't get into Britney's voice, whereas I find Lauren Mayberry's much more pleasant. So while there's more creativity on a production level than some of her earlier material, this turns out to not really be my sort of thing. Still, it might appeal to some, as it is certainly different from what she was originally known for at the beginning of her career.
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Nice summary.
I didn't relate to the aesthetic of the Britney album. Unlistenable to me. Didn't resonate with a way I ever feel.
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https://bravewords.com/news/former-biohazard-fear-factory-manager-scott-koenig-dead-at-57-credited-for-introducing-rick-rubin-to-slayer
Damn...57.
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https://bravewords.com/news/former-biohazard-fear-factory-manager-scott-koenig-dead-at-57-credited-for-introducing-rick-rubin-to-slayer
Damn...57.
That's so young.
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Out of respect, I took the time to read the article. He was on the ground floor at Def Jam. Really interesting. Not sure of the cause of death, but let's just say that 57 is a lot younger than it seemed when I was 20.
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Bryan Adams has a new song out. His first on his new label.
I felt like UP was half-assed on purpose to get back at his previous label who demanded he do a covers album when he didn't want to.
Shine A Light was not bad. A lot better than UP anyways... But 11 was his last really good album. My fave is Waking Up The Neighbours.
I hope the next album is a nice long album like On A Day Like Today or 18 Til I Die. The last few have been a bit short.
I forgot Room Service. That was an alright album. If a bit soft.
Anyway - the new song is quite catchy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0caIWs0O9c < - - - - :)
Also he still sounds great for being nearly 61 !
+ Wiki says his next album is out in 2022. :)
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Not to start a vax / no vax war here - but Eric Clapton is an active anti-vaxxer.
He's making anti-vax music now.
Glad I was never a fan of his music. He sounds like the stereotypical angry old english man.
Always found his music dull. Yes even Cream.
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Not to start a vax / no vax war here - but Eric Clapton is an active anti-vaxxer.
He's making anti-vax music now.
Glad I was never a fan of his music. He sounds like the stereotypical angry old english man.
Always found his music dull. Yes even Cream.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2021/10/11/rolling-stone-is-trying-to-cancel-eric-clapton-n1523029
So he's just another controversial musician that has controversy outside of their music related to their personal perceptions of life. It doesn't matter in the long run because humans have an odd obsession with idols and celebrities that people feel connected and think they know someone when in fact they don't, and when these expectations or their false image of that celebrity gets broken, they get upset like if that celebrity has forsaken them. This is why it's not beneficial to be worshipping celebrities or people of fame as if you know them personally because you do not.
Imagine if some of these "famously worshipped" celebrities did not die young, I guarantee some would have become controversial musicians like Eric Clapton, Ted Nugent, or Roger Waters.
Better yet, what happened to Rage Against The Machine, you know raging against the machine. I find creating a political band to be very, very fragile and one small mis-step in your political views can cause your band to falter. And it's even funnier when your views now align with the establishment you are "raging against".
I don't care at all, because I listen to so much music that I do not care about the musician personally. I do not know them and I also do know many famous people will put up a persona that does not reflect their true persona. They'll project an image for the screen so they can distance their personal security from their public perceptions. Which is also why some people will create a stage name.
I find it fascinating how far people will get curious and how much they will want to know about their musican/celebrity/sports player/idol, to the point of stalking them as if you know everything about them.
That's my two cents on controversial musicians.
Edit: Here's a quote from the Rolling Stones Article from Clapton himself from the late 60's...
In the past, Clapton has been reluctant to voice his political views. As he told Rolling Stone in 1968, “What I’m doing now is just my way of thinking, but if it gets into a paper somewhere, people will say that what I’m saying is the way they ought to think. Which is wrong, because I’m only a musician. If they dig my music, that’s great, but they don’t have to know what’s going on in my head.”
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Not to start a vax / no vax war here - but Eric Clapton is an active anti-vaxxer.
He's making anti-vax music now.
Glad I was never a fan of his music. He sounds like the stereotypical angry old english man.
Always found his music dull. Yes even Cream.
Neal Morse and Ritchie Blackmore are two of my favorite musicians. If either one came out as "anti-vax" right now, it wouldn't change my appreciation of their music even one iota. People are allowed to believe what they want to believe. Not to suggest that certain lyrics won't make me uncomfortable, but still.
I saw REM five days after Bush's re-election in... what was that, 2004? - and Stipe was all "this is the darkest week of our lives" or something like that. He got boo-ed (even though we're in a very blue state) but I'm like "okay, start the next song!". It's no different than Ozzy screaming "Smoke it! Get high!". I don't partake but if he does and he wants to sing about it, go for it!
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Clapton is a weird dude.
He also hasn't produced anything really good in 20 years.
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What do Eric Clapton and black coffee have in common?
They both suck without Cream.
:neverusethis:
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Clapton is a weird dude.
He also hasn't produced anything really good in 20
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Clapton isn't a fan of black anyways.
"Clapton hasn't produced anything good in 20 years "
:coolio
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What do Eric Clapton and black coffee have in common?
They both suck without Cream.
:neverusethis:
:rollin :rollin
Clapton is a good blues player, but he is overrated. And also...
Clapton is a weird dude.
He also hasn't produced anything really good in 20 years.
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What do Eric Clapton and black coffee have in common?
They both suck without Cream.
:neverusethis:
:rollin :rollin
Clapton is a good blues player, but he is overrated. And also...
Clapton is a weird dude.
He also hasn't produced anything really good in 20 years.
The only songs I ever kind of enjoyed by Clapton were some of his 90s adult contemporary stuff (Tears in Heaven, My Father's Eyes, Blue Eyes Blue). I guess he had a few of those in the 70s that were alright (Wonderful Tonight is a similar vibe).
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What do Eric Clapton and black coffee have in common?
They both suck without Cream.
:neverusethis:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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What do Eric Clapton and black coffee have in common?
They both suck without Cream.
:neverusethis:
:rollin :rollin
Clapton is a good blues player, but he is overrated. And also...
Clapton is a weird dude.
He also hasn't produced anything really good in 20 years.
The only songs I ever kind of enjoyed by Clapton were some of his 90s adult contemporary stuff (Tears in Heaven, My Father's Eyes, Blue Eyes Blue). I guess he had a few of those in the 70s that were alright (Wonderful Tonight is a similar vibe).
That's the Clapton I DON'T like. The hippy 70's "I Shot The Sheriff" bullsnot, and the hipster "Pilgrim" stuff from the what was it, late 90's early 2000's. The Clapton I like is the Derek and the Dominoes stuff and don't laugh, but the two albums Phil Collins produced.
I saw him live twice, and he's amazing live, but it's not anything that makes my toes tingle.
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I mean, I Shot The Sheriff is terrible. As is Cocaine. Layla is pretty good I guess. Prefer the unplugged version, though the outro to the original is good.
I have always meant to check out the stuff he did with Collins. There was one song they did together that I heard once and thought it was pretty cool, but never followed up on it (vague I know).
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Layla is awesome. Bits of Cream also. Otherwise? Dull.
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Saw Cream reunion gig at Albert Hall ( on TV not in person ) and Eric's guitar sounded awful.
Plus i've never been a fan of Ginger Baker. thought he was really sloppy. But his ego and temper were legendary obviously.
Why is it people with the biggest egos RARELY have the talent to back it up ?
Don't say Lars. Maybe in the 80s. But since 2003 all of the band has been really self-deprecating. Lars says he knows he's not a technician and that he has regressed.
About the only person I can think of * who is incredibly good at their instrument AND an egotistical prick is Andy James from Sacred Mother Tongue / FFDP.
Worked with him a few times. Was never happy about anything ever. Every other shredder you mention "is shit" .
I asked him once what he thought of Blackstar Amps " SHIT ". Next thing you know he's endorsed by them. But it didn't last long obviously.
Annoyingly though he's an incredible shredder. As technical as Petrucci but not as melodic. He's more of a full speed at all times shredder.
Here's a Sacred Mother Tongue video my bro made at my Dad's farm. It was funny having Andy James and the whole band stay at my house and stay for dinner ;D
Was a fun shoot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGY1bUEW1mc
* - apart from Buddy Rich obvs.
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That was a great Clapton joke!
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I like Clapton when he's playing the more bluesy stuff.
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That was a great Clapton joke!
It's originally a Ginger Baker joke, but I find it hits harder when you sub in Clapton.
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Clapton was always better with others (Cream, Blind Faith, Derek & The Dominoes), than solo (give me that JJ Cale song).
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While My Guitar Gently Weeps was so much better with Gary Moore. Even George Harrison is blown away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M9zUQT1QYE
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I mean, I Shot The Sheriff is terrible. As is Cocaine. Layla is pretty good I guess. Prefer the unplugged version, though the outro to the original is good.
I have always meant to check out the stuff he did with Collins. There was one song they did together that I heard once and thought it was pretty cool, but never followed up on it (vague I know).
Behind the Sun is better; that was the first. August is good too, but both records are slightly disjointed for different reasons.
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I personally never understood the hype for Clapton. Not a fan at all.
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While My Guitar Gently Weeps was so much better with Gary Moore. Even George Harrison is blown away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M9zUQT1QYE
To be fair, most things were better with Gary Moore.
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That is true!
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Been getting into his Blues Alive show recently. Wouldn't mind tracking down the DVD of that. Separate Ways, holy hell! :hefdaddy
Even though I've been a fan for a long time I've never been a blues fan in general, but my opinion is starting to shift, solely because of Gary Moore.
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Been getting into his Blues Alive show recently. Wouldn't mind tracking down the DVD of that. Separate Ways, holy hell! :hefdaddy
Even though I've been a fan for a long time I've never been a blues fan in general, but my opinion is starting to shift, solely because of Gary Moore.
Blues Alive is a TAC Top 5 Live Album. It is amazing!
The Montreux live albums are great too.
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What do Eric Clapton and black coffee have in common?
They both suck without Cream.
:neverusethis:
:rollin :rollin
Clapton is a good blues player, but he is overrated. And also...
Clapton is a weird dude.
He also hasn't produced anything really good in 20 years.
The only songs I ever kind of enjoyed by Clapton were some of his 90s adult contemporary stuff (Tears in Heaven, My Father's Eyes, Blue Eyes Blue). I guess he had a few of those in the 70s that were alright (Wonderful Tonight is a similar vibe).
The Clapton I like is the Derek and the Dominoes stuff and don't laugh,
I've always been luke warm on Clapton but I checked out that Derek and the Dominoes album for the first time earlier this year and I do not get the hype, aside from "Layla" the rest of the album I thought was forgettable at best.
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Been getting into his Blues Alive show recently. Wouldn't mind tracking down the DVD of that. Separate Ways, holy hell! :hefdaddy
Even though I've been a fan for a long time I've never been a blues fan in general, but my opinion is starting to shift, solely because of Gary Moore.
Blues Alive is a TAC Top 5 Live Album. It is amazing!
The Montreux live albums are great too.
Yeah, never really took much notice. Might have to look at that 5cd Montreaux set you got.
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Been getting into his Blues Alive show recently. Wouldn't mind tracking down the DVD of that. Separate Ways, holy hell! :hefdaddy
Even though I've been a fan for a long time I've never been a blues fan in general, but my opinion is starting to shift, solely because of Gary Moore.
Blues Alive is a TAC Top 5 Live Album. It is amazing!
The Montreux live albums are great too.
Yeah, never really took much notice. Might have to look at that 5cd Montreaux set you got.
I told that story before.
I bought the CD set from Amazon, and it came with an instant download. After many delays, they informed me that they would not be able to fulfill the order and issued me a refund.
I burned my own CDs! :lol
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Haha, that's right. Lucky you took advantage of the download.
Lately when I'm flicking through YouTube vids before bed, I am always needing something to watch from Gary. I've never really been able to make a top 5 guitarist list even top 10 and I know where he hits with you but if I had to make a top 5, I don't see Gary not being in there. Guy was just incredible.
The passion, soul, pain and feel he had with the guitar is unmatched.
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I've spent many nights going down Gary Moore rabbit holes on youtube. That tone is fucking addicting.
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Exactly. That tone is from him too. Put any other guitarist on his setup and it would sound completely different. He spoke and cried through the instrument.
That intro on Seperate Ways on Blues Alive almost makes me fucking weep.
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I personally never understood the hype for Clapton. Not a fan at all.
This is sort of me. I mean, he is good, and he has some killer moments (Layla, White Room, Crossroads, Let It Rain, etc.), but when you think about how many great guitarists came from his era, I just don't think he stacks up to most of them, yet he is often revered like he is one of the best ever. I don't get it.
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I personally never understood the hype for Clapton. Not a fan at all.
This is sort of me. I mean, he is good, and he has some killer moments (Layla, White Room, Crossroads, Let It Rain, etc.), but when you think about how many great guitarists came from his era, I just don't think he stacks up to most of them, yet he is often revered like he is one of the best ever. I don't get it.
Yep. Even from a guitarists point if view I don't see it. Maybe I just haven't heard enough, which is a possibility.
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I personally never understood the hype for Clapton. Not a fan at all.
This is sort of me. I mean, he is good, and he has some killer moments (Layla, White Room, Crossroads, Let It Rain, etc.), but when you think about how many great guitarists came from his era, I just don't think he stacks up to most of them, yet he is often revered like he is one of the best ever. I don't get it.
Well, his reputation was made with the Bluesbreakers and the early Yardbirds. He rode that "E.C. is God" thing for, well, the rest of his career. He's certainly not in my top five, or even top ten.
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I personally never understood the hype for Clapton. Not a fan at all.
This is sort of me. I mean, he is good, and he has some killer moments (Layla, White Room, Crossroads, Let It Rain, etc.), but when you think about how many great guitarists came from his era, I just don't think he stacks up to most of them, yet he is often revered like he is one of the best ever. I don't get it.
Well, his reputation was made with the Bluesbreakers and the early Yardbirds. He rode that "E.C. is God" thing for, well, the rest of his career. He's certainly not in my top five, or even top ten.
That Bluesbreakers album is pretty nice.
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I'm just not into those kind of 12-bar blues style guitarists at all. Where they do have a bassist and a drummer but they're ONLY there to keep the beat
so the guitarist can solo for 50 minutes.
Cannot bear SRV. So boring imo. That live video of him playing Texas Flood is like listening to paint dry. And the drummer looks beyond bored ;D
- I just tried watching it and couldn't get past the 1 minute mark.
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I'm just not into those kind of 12-bar blues style guitarists at all. Where they do have a bassist and a drummer but they're ONLY there to keep the beat
so the guitarist can solo for 50 minutes.
Cannot bear SRV. So boring imo. That live video of him playing Texas Flood is like listening to paint dry. And the drummer looks beyond bored ;D
- I just tried watching it and couldn't get past the 1 minute mark.
At least with respect to SRV, I couldn't disagree more. That guy was a tornado. I saw him at Uconn - northern CT - in I think it was '88, standing on a flatbed truck parked in the corner of a (then) shitty football field playing to like 1,000 people, and yet attacking his instrument like it was his last show on earth. Up to that point, I'd never seen a person "own" their instrument like that; it was like it was a third arm, a part of him. Hard to describe.
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Yea, SRV is a league of his own. I am jelly of Bill for being able to see him, since even though I'm also not a huge of that solo for 10 hours over the same riff, SRV seems like he would've been amazing to see in person.
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Stevie Ray Vaughan was a beast. His rendition of Little Wing on The Sky Is Crying is just magical. :metal :metal :metal
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Yea, SRV is a league of his own. I am jelly of Bill for being able to see him, since even though I'm also not a huge of that solo for 10 hours over the same riff, SRV seems like he would've been amazing to see in person.
Here's the thing: I'm not a fan AT ALL of that solo for 10 hours either. That's the beauty of SRV; he was so solid, and so completely blurred the lines between "lead" and "rhythm" that it was sort of apples and oranges.
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Yea, SRV is a league of his own. I am jelly of Bill for being able to see him, since even though I'm also not a huge of that solo for 10 hours over the same riff, SRV seems like he would've been amazing to see in person.
Here's the thing: I'm not a fan AT ALL of that solo for 10 hours either. That's the beauty of SRV; he was so solid, and so completely blurred the lines between "lead" and "rhythm" that it was sort of apples and oranges.
In addition to everything you just said, I'd like to add that SRV is a criminally underated vocalist (IMO)—one of my favorite tracks by him is "Life by the Drop," which is an acoustic number that doesn't feature a single second of electric 'shreddin.' He just nails the vocal on that song, and given the subject matter, you can feel the emotion in his voice.
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Gary Moore was so great. His blues has never quite clicked with me but I'm sure it's just a matter of time. I love his rock action. So much aggression, passion and power. And tone! Amazing. Murder In The Skies!
SRV's songs don't interest me at all so I rarely listen to him but fuck, his lead playing is incredible. Just astonishing. Again, the power and passion and sound is immense.
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Well, this is interesting. Max Portnoy is the current touring drummer for this band called Code Orange that's currently on tour with Slipknot's Knotfest Roadshow tour.
The mask kinda makes him look like Mankind from WWF.
https://loudwire.com/code-orange-new-drummer-tallah-max-portnoy/
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Maybe it's just the corners of the internet I observe, but it seems that blues guitar or older blues in general has been falling out of favor for years now, particularly among younger millennials and xennials or whatever we wind up calling them. I still myself dig SRV, Gary Moore and others, but I'm in the older millennial range and a guitarist who grew up on that stuff, so it's more a part of me. I don't know if it's part of the stigma as being too close to "dad rock" or something of that ilk. But guys like Albert King, Albert Collins, Buddy Guy, John Lee Hooker, or even Howlin' Wolf never quite got their due in the first place, so I'd hate for that music to get buried even more. Or even somewhat "newer" artists like Jeff Healey, Robert Randolph, Aynsley Lister, Chris Duarte, or heck, even someone like Danny Gatton.
Speaking of Max, I was at the last show that Empire (formerly Jaxx) ever hosted in VA, which had Haken headlining, and Max's band at the time Next To None playing. Mike himself joined Haken for a tune near the end of the show. At one point Mike and Max walked right by me in a less crowded part of the venue. I should have said something, but I was a bit stunned.
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I'm 43 next month and i've ALWAYS hated that "guy solos for 30 minutes whilst the band play a basic backing track" kind of guitarist. **
I let Mark Knopfler get away with it cause he doesn't MAINLY do 12 bar blues over a slow 6/8 shuffle. Plus the band get a chance to shine also.
On the album On Every Street - I was enthralled by the drums just as much as the guitar. Mainly cause the drummer on that album was Jeff Porcaro. :hefdaddy
And also cause Mark is a phenomenal guitarist.
** - The closest I get to that is Joe Bonamassa. But his songs are usually pretty awesome and ROCK inspired as well as blues and pretty catchy.
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The unequal focus can't be solely it though. There are hip-hop acts that are ostensibly bands but still are all about the emcee that resonate with people.
I like Bonamassa too, though he seems to get a decent amount of recognition compared to similar artists. Same with the Tedeschi Trucks band, one of the better shows I've seen with everyone killing it.
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The british music paper NME in the mid 90s had a term for bands that were essentially famous for their singer and nobody could name anyone else.
If I was in one of those bands i'd be a bit p-ed off. UNLESS you were the type of person who craved privacy.
Otherwise why would you be in a band though ?
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At least with respect to SRV, I couldn't disagree more. That guy was a tornado. I saw him at Uconn - northern CT - in I think it was '88, standing on a flatbed truck parked in the corner of a (then) shitty football field playing to like 1,000 people, and yet attacking his instrument like it was his last show on earth. Up to that point, I'd never seen a person "own" their instrument like that; it was like it was a third arm, a part of him. Hard to describe.
Hell yeah. I don't listen to the blues that often, but when I do, SRV is one of my go-to artists, and his guitar work always makes me just shake my head in amazement.
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There is nothing new in the blues and playing minor pentatonic licks over a 60bpm 6/8 twelve-bar-shuffle is about the most tedious music there is.
imo of course.
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Maybe it's just the corners of the internet I observe, but it seems that blues guitar or older blues in general has been falling out of favor for years now, particularly among younger millennials and xennials or whatever we wind up calling them. I still myself dig SRV, Gary Moore and others, but I'm in the older millennial range and a guitarist who grew up on that stuff, so it's more a part of me. I don't know if it's part of the stigma as being too close to "dad rock" or something of that ilk. But guys like Albert King, Albert Collins, Buddy Guy, John Lee Hooker, or even Howlin' Wolf never quite got their due in the first place, so I'd hate for that music to get buried even more. Or even somewhat "newer" artists like Jeff Healey, Robert Randolph, Aynsley Lister, Chris Duarte, or heck, even someone like Danny Gatton.
Speaking of Max, I was at the last show that Empire (formerly Jaxx) ever hosted in VA, which had Haken headlining, and Max's band at the time Next To None playing. Mike himself joined Haken for a tune near the end of the show. At one point Mike and Max walked right by me in a less crowded part of the venue. I should have said something, but I was a bit stunned.
I'm 37 and been playing guitar since I was like 13. I never really liked blues. Metal has pretty much been my go to. I have always had a very short attention span when I've tried. Gary Moore is the exception but as I said, I'm only really starting to get more into that side of him now.
I appreciate and fully respect the origin of blues and it's Iinfluence on all my fav players though.
I've never really cared for SRV but I've never really checked much of his stuff either.
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There is nothing new in the blues and playing minor pentatonic licks over a 60bpm 6/8 twelve-bar-shuffle is about the most tedious music there is.
imo of course.
I've been watching some Paul Gilbert vids and watching him play blues has been one of the most exciting things I've been checking out for a while. His playing in a blues style so so creative and interesting.
Depends on the player to what you're saying and I agree for your average blues player but Gilbert has been one lately that's sparked my interest a little more in the style.
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The british music paper NME in the mid 90s had a term for bands that were essentially famous for their singer and nobody could name anyone else.
If I was in one of those bands i'd be a bit p-ed off. UNLESS you were the type of person who craved privacy.
Otherwise why would you be in a band though ?
To make music with other people? I'm exactly that sort of person. I don't want the limelight, I just want to do creative things in the background.
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I'm 37 and been playing guitar since I was like 13. I never really liked blues. Metal has pretty much been my go to. I have always had a very short attention span when I've tried. Gary Moore is the exception but as I said, I'm only really starting to get more into that side of him now.
I appreciate and fully respect the origin of blues and it's Iinfluence on all my fav players though.
I've never really cared for SRV but I've never really checked much of his stuff either.
I accepted Still Got The Blues/After Hours/Blues Alive, but then after that, I guess I was disappointed that Gary Moore basically abandoned his rock roots for the blues full time.
Personally, I'm not a huge fan of the blues, but it proved to be a great vehicle for Gary's playing and voice. I could listen to him play those licks all night. But that doesn't mean I could sit through anybody doing the same.
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Maybe it's just the corners of the internet I observe, but it seems that blues guitar or older blues in general has been falling out of favor for years now, particularly among younger millennials and xennials or whatever we wind up calling them. I still myself dig SRV, Gary Moore and others, but I'm in the older millennial range and a guitarist who grew up on that stuff, so it's more a part of me. I don't know if it's part of the stigma as being too close to "dad rock" or something of that ilk. But guys like Albert King, Albert Collins, Buddy Guy, John Lee Hooker, or even Howlin' Wolf never quite got their due in the first place, so I'd hate for that music to get buried even more. Or even somewhat "newer" artists like Jeff Healey, Robert Randolph, Aynsley Lister, Chris Duarte, or heck, even someone like Danny Gatton.
Speaking of Max, I was at the last show that Empire (formerly Jaxx) ever hosted in VA, which had Haken headlining, and Max's band at the time Next To None playing. Mike himself joined Haken for a tune near the end of the show. At one point Mike and Max walked right by me in a less crowded part of the venue. I should have said something, but I was a bit stunned.
I'm 37 and been playing guitar since I was like 13. I never really liked blues. Metal has pretty much been my go to. I have always had a very short attention span when I've tried. Gary Moore is the exception but as I said, I'm only really starting to get more into that side of him now.
I appreciate and fully respect the origin of blues and it's Iinfluence on all my fav players though.
I've never really cared for SRV but I've never really checked much of his stuff either.
Haha, you're almost me. Also 37, been playing guitar since I was 12 (although I should sound a whole lot better than I do for playing for "25 years", too many other instruments and hobbies competing for my attention..). Also into more metal than any other single genre, though I have a toe in many of them. Gary Moore is probably my favorite type of blues player though, he has the chops to burn, but can also exercise restraint when he wants. I never liked the adage about "he can say more with 1 note than a shredder can with a thousand". I like the guys who can play a thousand notes, but know when to and when not to. Gilbert has definitely become one of those. Also EVH, Lukather, Tabor, Eric Johnson, Satriani, Schon, Slash, Keaggy, Huff, and others. Or even less bluesy guys like Nilsson, Poland, Friedman, Plini, etc. But I heard Hendrix when I was 13 and SRV's In the Beginning when I was 15, and those really had an impact on me.
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I'm 37 and been playing guitar since I was like 13. I never really liked blues. Metal has pretty much been my go to. I have always had a very short attention span when I've tried. Gary Moore is the exception but as I said, I'm only really starting to get more into that side of him now.
I appreciate and fully respect the origin of blues and it's Iinfluence on all my fav players though.
I've never really cared for SRV but I've never really checked much of his stuff either.
I accepted Still Got The Blues/After Hours/Blues Alive, but then after that, I guess I was disappointed that Gary Moore basically abandoned his rock roots for the blues full time.
Personally, I'm not a huge fan of the blues, but it proved to be a great vehicle for Gary's playing and voice. I could listen to him play those licks all night. But that doesn't mean I could sit through anybody doing the same.
Can pretty much agree with this fully.
Maybe it's just the corners of the internet I observe, but it seems that blues guitar or older blues in general has been falling out of favor for years now, particularly among younger millennials and xennials or whatever we wind up calling them. I still myself dig SRV, Gary Moore and others, but I'm in the older millennial range and a guitarist who grew up on that stuff, so it's more a part of me. I don't know if it's part of the stigma as being too close to "dad rock" or something of that ilk. But guys like Albert King, Albert Collins, Buddy Guy, John Lee Hooker, or even Howlin' Wolf never quite got their due in the first place, so I'd hate for that music to get buried even more. Or even somewhat "newer" artists like Jeff Healey, Robert Randolph, Aynsley Lister, Chris Duarte, or heck, even someone like Danny Gatton.
Speaking of Max, I was at the last show that Empire (formerly Jaxx) ever hosted in VA, which had Haken headlining, and Max's band at the time Next To None playing. Mike himself joined Haken for a tune near the end of the show. At one point Mike and Max walked right by me in a less crowded part of the venue. I should have said something, but I was a bit stunned.
I'm 37 and been playing guitar since I was like 13. I never really liked blues. Metal has pretty much been my go to. I have always had a very short attention span when I've tried. Gary Moore is the exception but as I said, I'm only really starting to get more into that side of him now.
I appreciate and fully respect the origin of blues and it's Iinfluence on all my fav players though.
I've never really cared for SRV but I've never really checked much of his stuff either.
Haha, you're almost me. Also 37, been playing guitar since I was 12 (although I should sound a whole lot better than I do for playing for "25 years", too many other instruments and hobbies competing for my attention..). Also into more metal than any other single genre, though I have a toe in many of them. Gary Moore is probably my favorite type of blues player though, he has the chops to burn, but can also exercise restraint when he wants. I never liked the adage about "he can say more with 1 note than a shredder can with a thousand". I like the guys who can play a thousand notes, but know when to and when not to. Gilbert has definitely become one of those. Also EVH, Lukather, Tabor, Eric Johnson, Satriani, Schon, Slash, Keaggy, Huff, and others. Or even less bluesy guys like Nilsson, Poland, Friedman, Plini, etc. But I heard Hendrix when I was 13 and SRV's In the Beginning when I was 15, and those really had an impact on me.
Hendrix again I appreciate, but I couldn't sit through one of his albums. Again I know and appreciate his legacy.
I feel I should also be a lot better than I am for my playing time also mate.
Love the mention of Per Nillson. His vids on YouTube are incredible.
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I wonder what blues players do you listen to that constantly solo for hours (to paraphrase some of the posts here)?. That may be true for the blues sessions in the local pub, but normally those blues guys play songs (like any other artist) with a couple of solos thrown is (like a lot of other artists). And live those solos sometimes get extended (like with a lot of other artists).
I myself like a lot of blues, and I still hear a lot of blues influence in other music. The blues was/is just an important part in the evolution of rock music.
But like with any other genre there are good artists and bad artists.
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There is nothing new in the blues and playing minor pentatonic licks over a 60bpm 6/8 twelve-bar-shuffle is about the most tedious music there is.
imo of course.
The first part of your post (‘there is nothing new in blues’) probably isn’t exactly true, but the second half definitely doesn’t follow up on the first part. That would be tedious for sure, but that’s not what blues is.
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Yea, SRV is a league of his own. I am jelly of Bill for being able to see him, since even though I'm also not a huge of that solo for 10 hours over the same riff, SRV seems like he would've been amazing to see in person.
Here's the thing: I'm not a fan AT ALL of that solo for 10 hours either. That's the beauty of SRV; he was so solid, and so completely blurred the lines between "lead" and "rhythm" that it was sort of apples and oranges.
In addition to everything you just said, I'd like to add that SRV is a criminally underated vocalist (IMO)—one of my favorite tracks by him is "Life by the Drop," which is an acoustic number that doesn't feature a single second of electric 'shreddin.' He just nails the vocal on that song, and given the subject matter, you can feel the emotion in his voice.
That is one of my favorite SRV songs.
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I like people who can play. I don't care which tradition they play in, whether it's the blues, traditional rock, metal, bluegrass, country, prog, jazz, whatever. A good player is a good player.
I get not preferring a particular genre, of course; people have different tastes. But a great player is a great player, in any genre.
I also think it's a mistake to think of the rhythm section in a blues band, or a band backing up a vocalist, as being subpar musicians. Those guys don't get those gigs without being good players, regardless of whether you see it in that setting or not. And they do it because they are professional musicians, and it's a gig that pays. It's not that hard to figure out.
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Speaking of Neil Peart...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNMXBo__SpU
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I like people who can play. I don't care which tradition they play in, whether it's the blues, traditional rock, metal, bluegrass, country, prog, jazz, whatever. A good player is a good player.
I get not preferring a particular genre, of course; people have different tastes. But a great player is a great player, in any genre.
I also think it's a mistake to think of the rhythm section in a blues band, or a band backing up a vocalist, as being subpar musicians. Those guys don't get those gigs without being good players, regardless of whether you see it in that setting or not. And they do it because they are professional musicians, and it's a gig that pays. It's not that hard to figure out.
I never got the sense that Tommy Shannon and Chris Layton (Double Trouble) were there for the paycheck. They were there to support and promote Stevie, and they were able to go wherever Stevie wanted to go on a particular night or on a particular song.
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I like people who can play. I don't care which tradition they play in, whether it's the blues, traditional rock, metal, bluegrass, country, prog, jazz, whatever. A good player is a good player.
I get not preferring a particular genre, of course; people have different tastes. But a great player is a great player, in any genre.
I also think it's a mistake to think of the rhythm section in a blues band, or a band backing up a vocalist, as being subpar musicians. Those guys don't get those gigs without being good players, regardless of whether you see it in that setting or not. And they do it because they are professional musicians, and it's a gig that pays. It's not that hard to figure out.
I never got the sense that Tommy Shannon and Chris Layton (Double Trouble) were there for the paycheck. They were there to support and promote Stevie, and they were able to go wherever Stevie wanted to go on a particular night or on a particular song.
I didn't mean to imply that Shannon or Layton were just punching a clock. Double Trouble was a really good band in support of SRV; they were the right guys for the right guy, so to speak.
But if they WERE just punching a clock, that would be fine also, since they are professional musicians.
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Do you ever wonder why those bands exist where they've given themselves a name that 100% GUARANTEES they'll never be successful and will find it hard to find gigs?
Like - you spend years learning your instrument - you decide to start a band - you find 3 or 4 other guys in your area. You find a rehearsal space and jam once a week or
whatever - and you have to pay to hire it. You slowly build up a set of maybe 8 songs and 2 covers for a gig - then you name the band something like
" SHITCUNTS " and find it almost impossible to get bookings :lolpalm: . Is it just for notoriety ? You spend all that time and money and guarantee you'll never get it back ?
Is it just for shiz and goggles and you've zero intention of getting a following or gigs and it's just something to do at weekends ?
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I've actually thought about that as well. There's a really fine line between that - Anal C*** always comes to mind here - and something that is SO targeted and commercial that you almost don't have credibility right out of the gate (can't think of one at the moment).
There's something to be said about certain bands that, in their infancy (let's forget for a second where they ended up) that were so earnest and naked and raw in their desire to connect with their audience that you could literally feel it. You could FEEL you were a part of something special in the moment. U2 comes to mind, as does Springsteen, Kiss, Twisted Sister (who probably skirted the line that I mentioned above the most). I'm only naming bands that had a sort of cult-ish following up here in the Northeast (there are probably others where you live). But each of those bands had legendary shows/tours in this area that, today, you have 10,000 people claiming to have been in that 750 seat club for the show. Springsteen at the Stone Pony, Kiss at the Diplomat (or at Coventry), Twisted out on Long Island, U2 at the show in Boston that was broadcast on the radio...
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The chances of getting much of a following as a band are really low. If you have a really offensive name are the chances of getting a cult following better than the standard chances of recognition? Dunno. Interesting question.
Harking back to a previous point on here, I watched the Earth Shot Awards on TV and Ed Sheeran did a number. Fantastic live vocal performance. Really professional.
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I don't know why but I'm obsessed with this live performance of Cyndi Lauper's Time After Time from 1984.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G7SEL4zwy8&ab_channel=GeorgeJetson
I'm a huge 80's pop fan and this just hits everything cheesy and ridiculous I love about that era. The guitarist on this was also on Alice Cooper's Trash album. I'm jealous of anyone who was a teen/adult in the early 80's.
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That reminds me of those 80s tracks where they've obviously just made a backing track and it's x:xx length.
Then someone like Cyndi has to come in and just sing over it - but all the lyrics are done so they just vamp at the end for ages ;D
" Yeah...Girls...We wanna...yeah...Have Fun....Yeah....Fun....Fun...yeah ... *checks watch*...just wanna just wanns just wanna "
:rollin
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I don't know why but I'm obsessed with this live performance of Cyndi Lauper's Time After Time from 1984.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G7SEL4zwy8&ab_channel=GeorgeJetson
I'm a huge 80's pop fan and this just hits everything cheesy and ridiculous I love about that era. The guitarist on this was also on Alice Cooper's Trash album. I'm jealous of anyone who was a teen/adult in the early 80's.
Yo! :)
I'd love others to comment, but it was a weird time. A lot of what happened then was absolutely ridiculous, but it made perfect sense as well, all at the same time.
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I hold the 80s in high regard, because I spent all my teenage years in the 80s :metal and the roots for my musical journey were planted there, among many other things.
A lot of what happened then was absolutely ridiculous, but it made perfect sense as well, all at the same time.
Yes, although there was also a lot of ridiculousness that didn't make sense.
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That reminds me of those 80s tracks where they've obviously just made a backing track and it's x:xx length.
Then someone like Cyndi has to come in and just sing over it - but all the lyrics are done so they just vamp at the end for ages ;D
" Yeah...Girls...We wanna...yeah...Have Fun....Yeah....Fun....Fun...yeah ... *checks watch*...just wanna just wanns just wanna "
:rollin
That's a pretty bad example, since 'Girls Just Wanna Have Fun' is actually a cover song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aLNwOxPsjg). Bet you didn't know that! :)
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For way longer than I'm willing to admit I thought that "Venus" was a Bananarama original, one of my favorite 80s groups. But then I found out that the tradition of Dutch sirens went back even further than I realized. Now I have two different approaches to the song.
I'm a 90s kid, and it seemed in high school that most 80s music was really passe by then, but I always enjoyed many elements of it. Did and still like a lot of the guitar solos, the ubiquitous saxophone, the gated snares, and some of the keyboard sounds. Some of them didn't date well, but a lot of modern synthwave manages to select the sorts of sounds that still work well while evoking nostalgia for a period when some of us weren't alive, or were, but were too young to appreciate it.
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I got into music in the 80s. The first album buy a band I ever bought was the first Go West album.
I still love the period and look for its influence in music all the time. I think it was a fantastic time for music. There was drama and sincerity in the pop. The brash keyboards. The exuberance. Synth-based stuff exploded. Hard rock. Metal, thrash metal. Rap (not a big fan but, you know).
We laugh at the clothes and hair now but there a real DIY vibe about that. Folk were making or modifying their outfits. They weren't just trying to impress by wearing expensive slick labels.
Discovering Chvrches and The Night Flight Orchestra about 5 years ago amplified my love of the era even more. And finding that Survivor album I gushed over in the soft rock thread was like someone giving me something tailor made for me from a time machine.
I really don't love everything from it but it's my favourite era by far. Everything since has been duller and less colourful.
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That reminds me of those 80s tracks where they've obviously just made a backing track and it's x:xx length.
Then someone like Cyndi has to come in and just sing over it - but all the lyrics are done so they just vamp at the end for ages ;D
" Yeah...Girls...We wanna...yeah...Have Fun....Yeah....Fun....Fun...yeah ... *checks watch*...just wanna just wanns just wanna "
:rollin
That's a pretty bad example, since 'Girls Just Wanna Have Fun' is actually a cover song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aLNwOxPsjg). Bet you didn't know that! :)
Doesn't mean the arrangement has to be the same.
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It's not the same. You'd hear it right away if you actually listened to it.
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Whatever... My point was that it's one of those 80s dance tracks where the backing track just loops and they just vamp at the end.
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The hair. The problem was always the hair. Banarama, mentioned here: three beautiful women, with bad hair for a decent part of their career. :)
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The 80s had a lot of really bad everything.
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The 80's ruled!
Class of '86 representin'!
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The 80s had a lot of really bad everything.
Nah. It was a fun Era.
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I wish I was born 10 years earlier so I grew up in the 80's.
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The 80s always get a bad rep but for my own personal enjoyment I think the 80s had some amazing music. Many of my favorite bands either had their peak or got their start in the 80s and rode that wave into the 90s. I guess if you're a diehard 70s guy and some of your favorite bands from that time either died or declined in the 80s it might leave a sour taste in your mouth but I feel like sonically the 80s introduced a lot of cool new ideas in music.
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The 80s had the best sci fi.
Back To The Future
The Wrath Of Khan
Flight Of The Navigator
Innerspace
Films just don't have that feel anymore. Now everything has to be super epic with a huge battle at the end.
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ACDC 's Back In Black was released almost a year to the day after Highway To Hell. Meaning that Bon Scott died- and they found a replacement and recorded and released a follow up album all in under
1 year . Back in the day when bands released 1 album a year and at worst an album every 2 years.
Nowadays all your favourite bands seem to take 3 years MINIMUM.
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I always felt like back then writing/recording/touring was all one giant continuum.
Like Rush toured for their debut, wrote Fly By Night on the road, banged Fly By Night out in the studio in a week, went right back on tour, wrote Caress of Steel on the road, etc. Now when a band releases an album, it must be preceded by months of promotion, singles, and interviews with the tour usually not scheduled until months after an album's release. The tour then somehow takes a year even though there's only like 50 dates and then the band needs a year off for whatever reason to "recharge".
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Then you get bands like Therapy? or Trivium who still put out quality work every 2 years.
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I always felt like back then writing/recording/touring was all one giant continuum.
Like Rush toured for their debut, wrote Fly By Night on the road, banged Fly By Night out in the studio in a week, went right back on tour, wrote Caress of Steel on the road, etc. Now when a band releases an album, it must be preceded by months of promotion, singles, and interviews with the tour usually not scheduled until months after an album's release. The tour then somehow takes a year even though there's only like 50 dates and then the band needs a year off for whatever reason to "recharge".
Granted, they were about 35 minutes long (whereas new albums tend to be longer) but there are countless bands - Kiss, Rush - that were doing TWO albums a year.
Kiss - Feb '74
Hotter Than Hell - Oct. '74
Dressed To Kill - March '75
Alive! - Sep. '75 (on my BIRTHDAY! YA, Boy!)
Destroyer - Mar. '76
Rock and Roll Over - Nov. '76
Love Gun - Jun. '77
Alive II - Nov. '77
Rush - Mar. '74
Fly By Night - Feb. '75
Caress Of Steel - Sep. '75
2112 - Apr. '76
All The World - Sep. '76
Kiss in particular were road dogs, and put out records in between. Kiss got "stuck" in California on tour and went in and recorded Hotter Than Hell in like a week. Zeppelin did the same thing with Zep II; wherever they were on tour, Page would go in and work on the song of the day.
Don't get me wrong, there's a TON of great music today and it's worthy, but the process IS different. I wonder what bands like Metallica and Maiden (today's Maiden) and what not would sound like if their albums were cut in a three week period in between tours.
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Well, back then, the album was the product. Now the tour is the product.
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The 80s had a lot of really bad everything.
Yep. Just like every decade.
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Well, back then, the album was the product. Now the tour is the product.
I never thought of it that simply. But I am also not a concert guy. I'd just as soon bands never tour if it meant they could release more material.
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I always felt like back then writing/recording/touring was all one giant continuum.
Like Rush toured for their debut, wrote Fly By Night on the road, banged Fly By Night out in the studio in a week, went right back on tour, wrote Caress of Steel on the road, etc. Now when a band releases an album, it must be preceded by months of promotion, singles, and interviews with the tour usually not scheduled until months after an album's release. The tour then somehow takes a year even though there's only like 50 dates and then the band needs a year off for whatever reason to "recharge".
Granted, they were about 35 minutes long (whereas new albums tend to be longer) but there are countless bands - Kiss, Rush - that were doing TWO albums a year.
Kiss - Feb '74
Hotter Than Hell - Oct. '74
Dressed To Kill - March '75
Alive! - Sep. '75 (on my BIRTHDAY! YA, Boy!)
Destroyer - Mar. '76
Rock and Roll Over - Nov. '76
Love Gun - Jun. '77
Alive II - Nov. '77
Rush - Mar. '74
Fly By Night - Feb. '75
Caress Of Steel - Sep. '75
2112 - Apr. '76
All The World - Sep. '76
Kiss in particular were road dogs, and put out records in between. Kiss got "stuck" in California on tour and went in and recorded Hotter Than Hell in like a week. Zeppelin did the same thing with Zep II; wherever they were on tour, Page would go in and work on the song of the day.
Don't get me wrong, there's a TON of great music today and it's worthy, but the process IS different. I wonder what bands like Metallica and Maiden (today's Maiden) and what not would sound like if their albums were cut in a three week period in between tours.
Yeah those bands in the 70's went nuts with productivity. Kiss and Rush are the ones I know best, and even Yes had albums come out year after year until 75, though their music was way more complex. I would argue that the early Rush and Kiss albums had some material that felt "filler-ish" and it wasn't until they spaced albums out that the quality became more consistent. I think Kiss released an album every year until '86 but the ones from 79-85 feel much more substantial to me than the ones from 74-77.
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The 80s had a lot of really bad everything.
Yep. Just like every decade.
The 80s had a lot of really bad everything.
I would've agreed with you 10 years ago but over time I've come to really appreciate 80's music.
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Every decade has bad music. The 80s had a ton of great music too though, and a broad range of popular artists and styles that co-existed (much moreso than in recent decades). It’s pretty hard to pigeon hole the whole decade, as it really was pretty rich and varied. For my money, some of the best produced albums ever came out of the decade. Stuff like Peter Gabriel’s So, Tears for Fears’ The Seeds of Love, or Kate Bush’s The Hounds of Love. You had some really creative stuff happening with the rebirth of King Crimson. Yes made an absolute masterpiece with 90125. Rush was all over the decade. You had a new wave of prog with Marillion, and the beginnings of prog metal with Fates Warning, Queensryche, and DT. You had Van Halen, Guns and Roses, and Metallica (if that’s your thing). Still some great stuff from 70s bands like Journey (their best stuff IMO). You had the beginnings of alternative rock with REM, The Cure, and others. U2 made some tremendous records in the decade. Could go on and on. Maybe for some people none of that is their style, but I’d say there was plenty to like and I miss a lot of the trademarks of 80s production personally.
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Still some great stuff from 70s bands like Journey (their best stuff IMO).
I like some of their 80s music, though having Schon and Smith it too often felt like trying to drive a Lamborghini through a school zone with the speed limit flashing. Have you heard the first three albums though? They're quite different and overall better at least to my tastes. "Of a Lifetime" is a particular killer track.
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Still some great stuff from 70s bands like Journey (their best stuff IMO).
I like some of their 80s music, though having Schon and Smith it too often felt like trying to drive a Lamborghini through a school zone with the speed limit flashing. Have you heard the first three albums though? They're quite different and overall better at least to my tastes. "Of a Lifetime" is a particular killer track.
Those first three are good too, but it’s kind of like a different band altogether. I enjoy them, but those aren’t really what I’m looking for when I want to hear Journey if that makes sense. The first album is my favorite of the three probably. Regarding Schon and Smith, I think what they did within the context of a more hits focused rock act is pretty remarkable. Sure, they are restrained a bit, but they brought a lot of musicality to even the fluffier stuff. Schon in particular rarely held back when it was time to solo. Kind of something for everyone on those Perry era albums.
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No decade had worse fashion and hairstyles than the 80s ;D
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The 80s had a lot of really bad everything.
Best pop and metal era.
70's were the best for (hard, progressive, symphonic) rock
90's sucks IMHO
Nothing new since then.
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The 80s had a lot of really bad everything.
Best pop and metal era.
70's were the best for (hard, progressive, symphonic) rock
90's sucks IMHO
Nothing new since then.
90s were great too IMO, at least in the first half or so. I personally like a lot of grunge and alt rock type acts, but a number of metal, hair metal, and legacy acts put out great stuff in the 90s (even if a lot of it wasn’t very popular). The 90s also saw the rebirth of prog in a substantial new way (not just 70s acts, but newer acts like Spock’s Bears, The Flower Kings, Porcupine Tree, and of course DT). It did seem that by the end of the decade the big labels were really failing to produce meaningful new acts, and then you had the boy band and nu-metal explosion that made the last part of the 90s and first part of the 00s somewhat intolerable. Popular music really hasn’t been the same in the new millennium. There is still lots of good stuff, but it all sort of exists in subcultures outside of what could be considered mainstream.
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Just look at how many classic albums were all released in 1994
Manic Street Preachers - The Holy Bible
Green Day - Dookie
Oasis - Definitely Maybe
Blur - Parklife
Dream Theater - Awake
Offspring - Smash
Weezer - Blue
REM - Monster
Pearl Jam - Vitalogy
Portishead - Dummy
Therapy? - Troublegum
Soundgarden - Superunknown
Pink Floyd - Division Bell
The Prodigy - ...The Jilted Generation
Machine Head - Burn My Eyes
Korn
Nirvana - MTV Unplugged
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Nine Inch Nails' The Downward Spiral was also from 1994. I know because I believe both that album and Superunknown came out on the same day.
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You know what I wonder?
Is if the new modern bands in all the subgenres of metal create albums in the future, if people will consider them by the numbers, sounds like (insert band) to me, it's the same old same old, too repetitive, they're not doing anything new. Just like how we are hearing with the older bands when they release a new album.
I say this because there are new albums from some older bands that are pretty great and I still listening to them from time to time. Actually, there are two bands who have released recent albums that are just as good as anything else they have done. Deep Purple and Kansas, sure the older and classic tones are not in the band anymore. But the way I see it. Nothing lasts forever and things change, things may thrive still but are in brand new clothes or remolded to adapt for the new. So I myself, will enjoy the fact that Deep Purple and Kansas are still recording albums and playing live, and I got to see both of them too.
I don't know. To me, I just find listening to music and how many different reasons and ways people listen to and rate music fascinating. Like, I feel it's sort of based on one's own perceptions of the why, how, and reasons for listening to the music that they do, and the music they enjoy enough to purchase the music and see a live show of the music being played.
I think this is why I find the terms to describe the music such as, Bad, Good, Horrible, Awful, Boring, Great, Amusing, to be like..."Okay that's cool and all, but that doesn't show me the why, how, and reason for the feeling that the music your listening to makes you feel."
Music is so fascinating for me. Like how listening to one song at a certain time you won't like it and view it as garbage, the shittiest piece of music you ever heard you wonder why it was even recorded and released. Then something drastic or life changing happens in your life, that song comes in that right moment, and you begin to sob like a baby without a bottle, to where you make a connection to where it now is your favorite song of all time.
I guess, It would be interesting to know the why, how, and reasons you guys listen to music? Is it for the music theory technicality, the emotion it gives off, the way the solo sounds, the high pitch of the vocals. Things like this.
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I could fill a book with answers to that, but I'll just adumbrate a few points for now. One is that I think experience and context is key to "getting" a lot of music. Everyone comes to each new artist they encounter with a very intricate network of music they've already heard, different than any other person. A lot of music I think is hidden to various groups of people because they haven't heard the right combination of other artists that might put the artist's efforts in the proper perspective and unlock it for them. This is especially true for more niche and arcane genres that don't have the instant gratificational appeal that more household name artists do. I know there's music I've gotten into in the past decade that if I'd heard it in the prior decade I probably wouldn't have liked it. But there are artists I checked out long ago and didn't care for at the time, that now I've revisited, and now with their music recontextualized in light of my broader experience, I actually quite cherish them.
Often when I discover a new band that's been around for a little bit I wonder to myself why I didn't check them out earlier, because I probably would have loved them just as much back then, possibly more. And there are tradeoffs to that. You might not be able to see them live, or in their glory days, weren't able to live through the hype of album release cycles, didn't have them attached to other events in your life and such. But on the other hand, I think there's also worth sometimes in coming to an artist who is already well-established, with a whole lore already prebuilt around them to dive into all at once. Then you can pick the parts of their discography to check out first (or just run straight through it chronologically or reverse chronologically if you like), see opinions about their whole career and have that inform your experience of looking into them, etc.
The "Seinfeld is unfunny" trope applies a lot to music as well. I hear some people say they don't see anything special in certain older bands, and sometimes that's just because newer listeners have an experience divorced from the temporal matrix in which that music was created. Sometimes you can still intuitively understand it anyway, other times you can listen to enough musical history to see why certain music arose the way it did, but still other times you probably just really needed to "be there" to grok it. That effect will undoubtedly continue in the future. Conversely, sometimes I think bands labeled as innovative, pioneering and such may not actually be so. It could just be that most people haven't heard the particular combination of (likely obscure) artists that inspired them, but if they did, they might instead view them as a ripoff.
As for why I like certain music, that's a multitude of different factors that are different for each band, really. But what has been most interesting to me is that there are times I wish I could hear some music with the fresh naivete I had when I was younger, and everything sounded more mysterious and wondrous because I didn't understand much about it. Decades later, now I've heard thousands and thousands of albums in many styles, gained competency on numerous instruments, read reams of music discussion, history, and trivia, and there is much less mystery than there was back then (though I'm also now far more cognizant of how much I still don't and likely will never know). But this has given me a listening toolkit that lets me appreciate music in a different, at times more technical manner. Sometimes it's tougher now to see the whole forest rather than being drawn to analyzing each piece of bark. But there is value in that as well. So the joy isn't really any less, it's just taken a different form.
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Just look at how many classic albums were all released in 1994
Manic Street Preachers - The Holy Bible
Green Day - Dookie
Oasis - Definitely Maybe
Blur - Parklife
Dream Theater - Awake
Offspring - Smash
Weezer - Blue
REM - Monster
Pearl Jam - Vitalogy
Portishead - Dummy
Therapy? - Troublegum
Soundgarden - Superunknown
Pink Floyd - Division Bell
The Prodigy - ...The Jilted Generation
Machine Head - Burn My Eyes
Korn
Nirvana - MTV Unplugged
Good list (aside from Oasis :P).
I'll throw in...
Grace - Jeff Buckley
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I could fill a book with answers to that, but I'll just adumbrate a few points for now. One is that I think experience and context is key to "getting" a lot of music. Everyone comes to each new artist they encounter with a very intricate network of music they've already heard, different than any other person. A lot of music I think is hidden to various groups of people because they haven't heard the right combination of other artists that might put the artist's efforts in the proper perspective and unlock it for them. This is especially true for more niche and arcane genres that don't have the instant gratificational appeal that more household name artists do. I know there's music I've gotten into in the past decade that if I'd heard it in the prior decade I probably wouldn't have liked it. But there are artists I checked out long ago and didn't care for at the time, that now I've revisited, and now with their music recontextualized in light of my broader experience, I actually quite cherish them.
Often when I discover a new band that's been around for a little bit I wonder to myself why I didn't check them out earlier, because I probably would have loved them just as much back then, possibly more. And there are tradeoffs to that. You might not be able to see them live, or in their glory days, weren't able to live through the hype of album release cycles, didn't have them attached to other events in your life and such. But on the other hand, I think there's also worth sometimes in coming to an artist who is already well-established, with a whole lore already prebuilt around them to dive into all at once. Then you can pick the parts of their discography to check out first (or just run straight through it chronologically or reverse chronologically if you like), see opinions about their whole career and have that inform your experience of looking into them, etc.
The "Seinfeld is unfunny" trope applies a lot to music as well. I hear some people say they don't see anything special in certain older bands, and sometimes that's just because newer listeners have an experience divorced from the temporal matrix in which that music was created. Sometimes you can still intuitively understand it anyway, other times you can listen to enough musical history to see why certain music arose the way it did, but still other times you probably just really needed to "be there" to grok it. That effect will undoubtedly continue in the future. Conversely, sometimes I think bands labeled as innovative, pioneering and such may not actually be so. It could just be that most people haven't heard the particular combination of (likely obscure) artists that inspired them, but if they did, they might instead view them as a ripoff.
As for why I like certain music, that's a multitude of different factors that are different for each band, really. But what has been most interesting to me is that there are times I wish I could hear some music with the fresh naivete I had when I was younger, and everything sounded more mysterious and wondrous because I didn't understand much about it. Decades later, now I've heard thousands and thousands of albums in many styles, gained competency on numerous instruments, read reams of music discussion, history, and trivia, and there is much less mystery than there was back then (though I'm also now far more cognizant of how much I still don't and likely will never know). But this has given me a listening toolkit that lets me appreciate music in a different, at times more technical manner. Sometimes it's tougher now to see the whole forest rather than being drawn to analyzing each piece of bark. But there is value in that as well. So the joy isn't really any less, it's just taken a different form.
This is a good post, especially that third paragraph.
It's amazing to me how much music is of it's time. I'm baffled at how someone can like Radiohead and not like Kraftwerk or Pink Floyd, two bands that basically did the same thing, first, and on shittier equipment. The Beatles get a lot of snot here as "overrated", but there are probably ten bands in the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame - noted to signify bands of some accomplishment, nothing more - that are literally just modern incarnations/interpretations of what the Beatles were trying to achieve.
I'm not saying you have to always go all the way back to sticks and hollow logs next to the campfire, but some level of context is important. For me, Pearl Jam made a LOT more sense once I dug into The Who. Oddly, I started to appreciate country music (outlaw country, not the current bro-pop-country) and the Dead at the same time, and it's not a coincidence.
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I could fill a book with answers to that, but I'll just adumbrate a few points for now. One is that I think experience and context is key to "getting" a lot of music. Everyone comes to each new artist they encounter with a very intricate network of music they've already heard, different than any other person. A lot of music I think is hidden to various groups of people because they haven't heard the right combination of other artists that might put the artist's efforts in the proper perspective and unlock it for them. This is especially true for more niche and arcane genres that don't have the instant gratificational appeal that more household name artists do. I know there's music I've gotten into in the past decade that if I'd heard it in the prior decade I probably wouldn't have liked it. But there are artists I checked out long ago and didn't care for at the time, that now I've revisited, and now with their music recontextualized in light of my broader experience, I actually quite cherish them.
Often when I discover a new band that's been around for a little bit I wonder to myself why I didn't check them out earlier, because I probably would have loved them just as much back then, possibly more. And there are tradeoffs to that. You might not be able to see them live, or in their glory days, weren't able to live through the hype of album release cycles, didn't have them attached to other events in your life and such. But on the other hand, I think there's also worth sometimes in coming to an artist who is already well-established, with a whole lore already prebuilt around them to dive into all at once. Then you can pick the parts of their discography to check out first (or just run straight through it chronologically or reverse chronologically if you like), see opinions about their whole career and have that inform your experience of looking into them, etc.
The "Seinfeld is unfunny" trope applies a lot to music as well. I hear some people say they don't see anything special in certain older bands, and sometimes that's just because newer listeners have an experience divorced from the temporal matrix in which that music was created. Sometimes you can still intuitively understand it anyway, other times you can listen to enough musical history to see why certain music arose the way it did, but still other times you probably just really needed to "be there" to grok it. That effect will undoubtedly continue in the future. Conversely, sometimes I think bands labeled as innovative, pioneering and such may not actually be so. It could just be that most people haven't heard the particular combination of (likely obscure) artists that inspired them, but if they did, they might instead view them as a ripoff.
As for why I like certain music, that's a multitude of different factors that are different for each band, really. But what has been most interesting to me is that there are times I wish I could hear some music with the fresh naivete I had when I was younger, and everything sounded more mysterious and wondrous because I didn't understand much about it. Decades later, now I've heard thousands and thousands of albums in many styles, gained competency on numerous instruments, read reams of music discussion, history, and trivia, and there is much less mystery than there was back then (though I'm also now far more cognizant of how much I still don't and likely will never know). But this has given me a listening toolkit that lets me appreciate music in a different, at times more technical manner. Sometimes it's tougher now to see the whole forest rather than being drawn to analyzing each piece of bark. But there is value in that as well. So the joy isn't really any less, it's just taken a different form.
Great post, and great to have you back around these parts.
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I'm baffled at how someone can like Radiohead and not like Kraftwerk or Pink Floyd, two bands that basically did the same thing, first, and on shittier equipment.
Some people just prefer the sounds of certain eras. PF and KW are unmistakably 70s-sounding, whereas Radiohead had a very contemporary, even futuristic sound for their time. From my understanding drawn from conversations with older generations they often disliked the music from decades prior to when they were born. It's almost remarkable from that perspective that there are as many younger people as there are that enjoy older music.
The "shitty equipment" is also sometimes a reason to prefer more modern bands, because recording technology has advanced and it's easier to make pristine-sounding albums than it used to be. There are also refinements in playing and writing ability, "standing on the shoulders of giants", so to say. Sometimes older albums have certain magical aesthetic charms that are hard to replicate though, so it's really all on a case-by-case basis. But in the example of huge bands like PF, a lot of those albums were quite well-recorded with state of the art, expensive equipment. Whereas in modern times, while more resources are available to capture high-quality recordings, it's also quite easy to screw them up if you don't know what you're doing. The spectrum of quality of bedroom-produced albums is quite vast.
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I'm baffled at how someone can like Radiohead and not like Kraftwerk or Pink Floyd, two bands that basically did the same thing, first, and on shittier equipment.
Some people just prefer the sounds of certain eras. PF and KW are unmistakably 70s-sounding, whereas Radiohead had a very contemporary, even futuristic sound for their time. From my understanding drawn from conversations with older generations they often disliked the music from decades prior to when they were born. It's almost remarkable from that perspective that there are as many younger people as there are that enjoy older music.
The "shitty equipment" is also sometimes a reason to prefer more modern bands, because recording technology has advanced and it's easier to make pristine-sounding albums than it used to be. There are also refinements in playing and writing ability, "standing on the shoulders of giants", so to say. Sometimes older albums have certain magical aesthetic charms that are hard to replicate though, so it's really all on a case-by-case basis. But in the example of huge bands like PF, a lot of those albums were quite well-recorded with state of the art, expensive equipment. Whereas in modern times, while more resources are available to capture high-quality recordings, it's also quite easy to screw them up if you don't know what you're doing. The spectrum of quality of bedroom-produced albums is quite vast.
I never really thought much about recording techniques used in the past, compared to the pristine quality of now. That makes sense too, as we can now record and make sounds feel as if it's actually there in the room with you, like the sound of a Bee encircling around you. Unlike the boxed in, blanket, muffled sound of the older past albums. I find it also interesting this sort of sound has become a staple of the times, giving those older albums a certain charm to them, and dating them to that era, moment of time.
Black Sabbaths early albums do have that 60's sound to them in terms of recording technique and even style of the time. Only Black Sabbath brought that tone of the steel factories into the music by the use of Tony Iommi and his unique tone. His tone is unique due to his self-made fingers and the use of overdrive, or distortion of the amp. I'm thinking someone blew out an amp and liked the sound of it and began making music that ended up developing into, and giving off a certain style and feeling.
I myself, based on this, find it hilarious when people complain about the sound of Opeth - Heritage and Pain of Salvation - Road Salt albums. The sound and tone of those albums is exactly what they were striving for, to give those albums that 70's era charm, which I feel was a small trend with bands during those times.
I feel, like with any thing, people got used to hearing the pristine sound of music today, where if you weren't born from the past decades, you won't enjoy the music as much as those whom were alive and there at the time.
It's why I wish it would be awesome if we could hear exactly how those classical composers had their musicians play their songs. I feel, it could've been quite different in tone and style from what the musicians play today based on their written compositions. I always laugh and imagine if they were still alive in this era, they'd be incorporating a lot of the available new tones and sounds that are now allowed/discovered to use in composing music.
And would've made Power Metal .. :lol
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To me "the production sucks" is the most tired, trite criticism of a CD you can post. I RARELY have ever said "wow, that's just so bad it's unlistenable", and even then, it's mostly mastering, not production.
Having said that, I love that late 60's, early 70's sound. I love the sparseness of the Sabbath and Zeppelin records. You could hear them breathe. You can hear the space between the instruments. A friend of mine at college rigged his turntable up so that if you sat on an "x" on his couch, you were almost perfectly placed spacially; he would put on Zeppelin's Physical Graffiti, and during songs like In The Light, if you closed your eyes, you can imagine the band in front of you, even to the point of picturing Plant and Page roaming the "stage".
One thing I struggle with in the "new" music is that it just always seems so dense, especially the guitars. It seems as if current production favors a guitar "wash" across songs, as opposed to say, the clear separation of guitars that you hear on the early AC/DC records, or the early Kiss records. Listen to "Let Me Go, Rock 'n' Roll" off Hotter Than Hell; not the best "sounding" record in terms of tones, but that song is so... it's greasy and elastic in the best possible way. As much as I love the notes being played and sung, the Alter Bridge albums just seem so... thick, solid, dense. They don't seem to breathe. I don't know if that's brickwalling, or mixing, or just the recording, but it doesn't seem to have pacing.
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To me "the production sucks" is the most tired, trite criticism of a CD you can post. I RARELY have ever said "wow, that's just so bad it's unlistenable", and even then, it's mostly mastering, not production.
Having said that, I love that late 60's, early 70's sound. I love the sparseness of the Sabbath and Zeppelin records. You could hear them breathe. You can hear the space between the instruments. A friend of mine at college rigged his turntable up so that if you sat on an "x" on his couch, you were almost perfectly placed spacially; he would put on Zeppelin's Physical Graffiti, and during songs like In The Light, if you closed your eyes, you can imagine the band in front of you, even to the point of picturing Plant and Page roaming the "stage".
One thing I struggle with in the "new" music is that it just always seems so dense, especially the guitars. It seems as if current production favors a guitar "wash" across songs, as opposed to say, the clear separation of guitars that you hear on the early AC/DC records, or the early Kiss records. Listen to "Let Me Go, Rock 'n' Roll" off Hotter Than Hell; not the best "sounding" record in terms of tones, but that song is so... it's greasy and elastic in the best possible way. As much as I love the notes being played and sung, the Alter Bridge albums just seem so... thick, solid, dense. They don't seem to breathe. I don't know if that's brickwalling, or mixing, or just the recording, but it doesn't seem to have pacing.
If anything, production has gotten worse* in the last 20 years on the whole. There just isn’t the attention to detail or concern for dynamics, and the need to quantize everything just takes so much life out of music. I do think technologically you can make albums that sound better these days just from a fidelity standpoint. But the overall craft of production and recorded performance just seems to be on the decline.
*a subjective value judgment, I know.
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That's a debate, though isn't it? As to what's important and what's not? I'm not saying you're wrong - I happen to agree with you - I'm just trying to figure out if this is a case of "Get off my lawn!" or if there is something quantifiable about it. I do agree that quantizing everything does suck the life out of things. There was something magical about those bands like Zeppelin whose music breathed and ebbed and flowed. I think Pearl Jam has that as well. Iron Maiden does. Don't want to start a debate but I thought Dream Theater pre-2010 had it.
I wonder if it's having all that available to you; I was watching one of the videos on Devin Townsend's Contain Us set and it showed the tracks on one song and he had like 50 tracks, and some of them were like car exhausts or some shit (I'm making that up) but all that sound takes up space, frequency, and band width. There's something to be said for eight tracks: one for each guitar, one for bass, two for drums (one for cymbals, one for the rest of the kit), two for vocals and one for effects/percussion.
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That's a debate, though isn't it? As to what's important and what's not? I'm not saying you're wrong - I happen to agree with you - I'm just trying to figure out if this is a case of "Get off my lawn!" or if there is something quantifiable about it. I do agree that quantizing everything does suck the life out of things. There was something magical about those bands like Zeppelin whose music breathed and ebbed and flowed. I think Pearl Jam has that as well. Iron Maiden does. Don't want to start a debate but I thought Dream Theater pre-2010 had it.
I wonder if it's having all that available to you; I was watching one of the videos on Devin Townsend's Contain Us set and it showed the tracks on one song and he had like 50 tracks, and some of them were like car exhausts or some shit (I'm making that up) but all that sound takes up space, frequency, and band width. There's something to be said for eight tracks: one for each guitar, one for bass, two for drums (one for cymbals, one for the rest of the kit), two for vocals and one for effects/percussion.
I know that at the end of the day it’s still going to be about preference, but I do think there is an extent to which you can quantify the differences in production at least. It doesn’t all come down to new technology, or the ability to quantize things or lay down a million tracks or whatever. A lot of things can be used to good effect (and a lot of older albums used a ton of tracks too). But I’m sure it’s hard not to use what’s at your disposal. I imagine it’s a lot easier to have the band record separate parts to a click track, comp all the vocals together to get the right take, or just auto-tune anything that doesn’t sound perfectly pitched. And for some music that might be the best approach. But there is a degree of lost art that went into a lot of older recordings I think.
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There is still art. Adele's new single is phenomenal, and there is certainly no quantizing or autotune used.
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There is still art. Adele's new single is phenomenal, and there is certainly no quantizing or autotune used.
Yeah, I mean there are definitely great sounding modern recordings. I think you can make a better sounding recording overall today than you could in 1975 (whether you use some of those modern techniques or not). I just think there is a tendency for a lot of artists to not make a good sounding one.
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Yeah, that's a whole topic on its own, the loudness war, with brickwalled mastering infesting many styles. It works for some of them, but after awhile it makes you long for dynamics. I'm always leery when I see "remastered 20xx" in the title or description of an album or song, because sometimes all that is going to happen is that the mix is going to be squashed flat and it'll be ear-fatiguing. Excessive quantization, auto-tune and the like can make some music rather anodyne. I like lush, layered, polished productions more than some people, but I have my limits. There's definitely been a tendency for a more wall of sound approach in some genres, constantly riding crash cymbals, double, triple, and quadruple-tracked rhythm guitars, sometimes strumming full distorted chords, though all of that is as much if not more a musical choice as it is one of engineering. Sometimes it's apropos, sometimes it isn't. In the case of Alter Bridge (and Tremonti's solo work) they're definitely going for that sort of approach quite often. It works for them to my ears, but I wouldn't want every band to sound that way.
I never really thought much about recording techniques used in the past, compared to the pristine quality of now. That makes sense too, as we can now record and make sounds feel as if it's actually there in the room with you, like the sound of a Bee encircling around you. Unlike the boxed in, blanket, muffled sound of the older past albums. I find it also interesting this sort of sound has become a staple of the times, giving those older albums a certain charm to them, and dating them to that era, moment of time.
Black Sabbaths early albums do have that 60's sound to them in terms of recording technique and even style of the time. Only Black Sabbath brought that tone of the steel factories into the music by the use of Tony Iommi and his unique tone. His tone is unique due to his self-made fingers and the use of overdrive, or distortion of the amp. I'm thinking someone blew out an amp and liked the sound of it and began making music that ended up developing into, and giving off a certain style and feeling.
I myself, based on this, find it hilarious when people complain about the sound of Opeth - Heritage and Pain of Salvation - Road Salt albums. The sound and tone of those albums is exactly what they were striving for, to give those albums that 70's era charm, which I feel was a small trend with bands during those times.
One of my favorite examples is what is known as the RVG (Rudy Van Gelder) sound, for the way he captured a lot of mid-late century jazz recordings. Once you've heard a few examples of it it's pretty unmistakable, and ties so many classic recordings of that era together quite cohesively.
Amplifier distortion for guitars did start out quite accidentally, with a tear in a speaker causing a "malfunctioning" sound, but it quickly became quite popular as a serendipitous discovery. Iommi was far from the first to use it, but was one of the first to downtune his guitars to make playing easier, in the process giving it a thicker, darker, "heavier" tone, which took a lot longer to catch on than you'd think it would have.
The retro recording trend hasn't really gone anywhere. There have been whole movements tied to it like the new wave of traditional heavy metal (NWOTHM) or occult rock, both of which are still ongoing. One of my favorite albums last year was Wytch Hazel's III: Pentecost, and it almost sounds like it could have been recorded in the 70s, and it works for them since they're sonically akin to a Thin Lizzy, Wishbone Ash, Blue Oyster Cult and such.
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To me "the production sucks" is the most tired, trite criticism of a CD you can post. I RARELY have ever said "wow, that's just so bad it's unlistenable", and even then, it's mostly mastering, not production.
Having said that, I love that late 60's, early 70's sound. I love the sparseness of the Sabbath and Zeppelin records. You could hear them breathe. You can hear the space between the instruments. A friend of mine at college rigged his turntable up so that if you sat on an "x" on his couch, you were almost perfectly placed spacially; he would put on Zeppelin's Physical Graffiti, and during songs like In The Light, if you closed your eyes, you can imagine the band in front of you, even to the point of picturing Plant and Page roaming the "stage".
One thing I struggle with in the "new" music is that it just always seems so dense, especially the guitars. It seems as if current production favors a guitar "wash" across songs, as opposed to say, the clear separation of guitars that you hear on the early AC/DC records, or the early Kiss records. Listen to "Let Me Go, Rock 'n' Roll" off Hotter Than Hell; not the best "sounding" record in terms of tones, but that song is so... it's greasy and elastic in the best possible way. As much as I love the notes being played and sung, the Alter Bridge albums just seem so... thick, solid, dense. They don't seem to breathe. I don't know if that's brickwalling, or mixing, or just the recording, but it doesn't seem to have pacing.
I can only imagine John Bonham's reaction to being quantized. I know there are stories of him threatening assistant engineers trying to put more than 4 mics on his kit. I don't know if it was a discussion here or at my work where someone posted a video of Van Halen's Running With the Devil being 100% time aligned, quantized and snapped to a grid, and it took everything that made it a Van Halen song away. I think someone did it with a Led Zeppelin tune as well, though the song escapes me at the moment.
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Rick Beato discusses that very topic of Bonham and quantization.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT4fFolyZYU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT4fFolyZYU)
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One thing I struggle with in the "new" music is that it just always seems so dense, especially the guitars. It seems as if current production favors a guitar "wash" across songs, as opposed to say, the clear separation of guitars that you hear on the early AC/DC records, or the early Kiss records. Listen to "Let Me Go, Rock 'n' Roll" off Hotter Than Hell; not the best "sounding" record in terms of tones, but that song is so... it's greasy and elastic in the best possible way. As much as I love the notes being played and sung, the Alter Bridge albums just seem so... thick, solid, dense. They don't seem to breathe. I don't know if that's brickwalling, or mixing, or just the recording, but it doesn't seem to have pacing.
I think this has to do with artists having a lot of layers in the DAW. Each one of these layers takes space in the overall sound spectrum. Just look at Devin Townsend and his "wall of sound", this is one flaw I have with the Devin Townsend and his music. There are so many layers that his records end up sounding like a muddled mess. Especially his live releases. I don't even think there is a live album I like the sound too, something is either too quiet, too loud, or buried in the mix.
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I never really thought much about recording techniques used in the past, compared to the pristine quality of now. That makes sense too, as we can now record and make sounds feel as if it's actually there in the room with you, like the sound of a Bee encircling around you. Unlike the boxed in, blanket, muffled sound of the older past albums. I find it also interesting this sort of sound has become a staple of the times, giving those older albums a certain charm to them, and dating them to that era, moment of time.
Black Sabbaths early albums do have that 60's sound to them in terms of recording technique and even style of the time. Only Black Sabbath brought that tone of the steel factories into the music by the use of Tony Iommi and his unique tone. His tone is unique due to his self-made fingers and the use of overdrive, or distortion of the amp. I'm thinking someone blew out an amp and liked the sound of it and began making music that ended up developing into, and giving off a certain style and feeling.
I myself, based on this, find it hilarious when people complain about the sound of Opeth - Heritage and Pain of Salvation - Road Salt albums. The sound and tone of those albums is exactly what they were striving for, to give those albums that 70's era charm, which I feel was a small trend with bands during those times.
One of my favorite examples is what is known as the RVG (Rudy Van Gelder) sound, for the way he captured a lot of mid-late century jazz recordings. Once you've heard a few examples of it it's pretty unmistakable, and ties so many classic recordings of that era together quite cohesively.
Amplifier distortion for guitars did start out quite accidentally, with a tear in a speaker causing a "malfunctioning" sound, but it quickly became quite popular as a serendipitous discovery. Iommi was far from the first to use it, but was one of the first to downtune his guitars to make playing easier, in the process giving it a thicker, darker, "heavier" tone, which took a lot longer to catch on than you'd think it would have.
The retro recording trend hasn't really gone anywhere. There have been whole movements tied to it like the new wave of traditional heavy metal (NWOTHM) or occult rock, both of which are still ongoing. One of my favorite albums last year was Wytch Hazel's III: Pentecost, and it almost sounds like it could have been recorded in the 70s, and it works for them since they're sonically akin to a Thin Lizzy, Wishbone Ash, Blue Oyster Cult and such.
The trend was just something I noticed happening with those two bands specifically, I do not know if there are other Swedish bands who had this same production and recording technique during that time as well.
I also notice the use of a certain recording technique and production such as Grindcore and most Death Metal.
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Rick Beato discusses that very topic of Bonham and quantization.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT4fFolyZYU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT4fFolyZYU)
Exactly. Part of the reason Load and Reload sound so thick is that Kirk played rhythm guitar on them and them being slightly off from each other makes the rhythm tracks sound massive.
When Hetfield plays all the rhythm it's tight as fuck but somehow smaller.
You can get a similar effect if you record two rhythm tracks yourself but use two different guitars.
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Part of the reason Load and Reload sound so thick is that Kirk played rhythm guitar on them and them being slightly off from each other makes the rhythm tracks sound massive.
When Hetfield plays all the rhythm it's tight as fuck but somehow smaller.
You can get a similar effect if you record two rhythm tracks yourself but use two different guitars.
Yes, and they're panned in opposite ears in the sweet spot for a more multidimensional sound image. They're also using different amps than in the earlier albums, so the tone is looser and chunkier rather than tight and cutting.
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I have seen the word 'quantization' more times in this thread than I have previously my entire life, which, prior to reading this thread, was zero.
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I think this has to do with artists having a lot of layers in the DAW. Each one of these layers takes space in the overall sound spectrum. Just look at Devin Townsend and his "wall of sound", this is one flaw I have with the Devin Townsend and his music. There are so many layers that his records end up sounding like a muddled mess. Especially his live releases. I don't even think there is a live album I like the sound too, something is either too quiet, too loud, or buried in the mix.
I think it suits his approach though, his brand is basically of ambient metal, where it's focused on atmospheric ambiance and swirling layers of sound where you notice new details every new listen. Now it would probably be horrible if someone tried to mix Slayer like that.
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This seems like the right place to carry on talking about recording and playing to a click. (Apologies if it's too ranty. Do let me know if so. I'm happy to take criticism of that sort on the chin.)
As others have mentioned, a list of hugely successful tunes that weren't recorded to a click could include Led Zeppelin, Iron Maiden, Van Halen, Metallica, Slayer, AC/DC. By using only those examples you are talking about some of the most revered rhythm sections in rock and metal. Almost universally adored as some of the best grooves and feelings you can experience in music.
And, as others have mentioned, you can find examples of classic songs reprocessed to be snapped to a grid on YouTube. The results are, of course, inferior.
The magic in music is the people. You want to hear how humans play their instruments, right? If not, why are you a fan of these guys?
Aside from deliberately imparting a machine-like vibe (eg: associated with electronic dance music), and the convenience of easy recording (punching in, cutting and pasting sections around), I can see no advantage to recording to a click and the end product suffers as a result. Why the fuck would anyone prefer Bonham or Lombardo snapped to a grid?
Going back to DT, who I love of course, I would say their weakness is their perceived "sterility", for want of a better term. They play very, very technical music, and they exaggerate that by locking it down to a grid, and having extremely clean production. How could they fail to be improved by a groovier recording?
MM is the target of much critique in the vein of "not enough feeling", "too machine-like". I'm not sure about that. He does stuff I find very exciting. He's obviously an AMAZING drummer and, guess what - IT'S THE DRUMMER'S JOB TO KEEP TIME.
As you see in the making of documentary JP says something like "When you're in the same room as Mangini playing, the energy is off the charts! It's not the same through headphones..." Well, record him free of any constraints, then. Do we really think MM can't keep time well enough to record without a click? Of course not, it's just done for convenience, and the end product suffers as a result.
I would LOVE to hear what groove these amazing, human musicians have without it being smothered and ironed out by rigid, computerized time control.
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That's a good point about time; Bruford famously said he WASN'T there to keep time, if the musicians were good enough they didn't need him.
But even Bonham, if you watch that Beato clip, even the passage he selects, that is fluid, if you listen to the cymbal work, he's still giving the other band members something to play to. It's not like he can't keep time. And it has to do with the rest of the band; if the band is moving with the drummer, it's a different vibe than if they are out of synch.
I saw Temple Of The Dog - basically Pearl Jam with Chris Cornell on vocals - and they did Achilles Last Stand, and it was AMAZING because Matt Cameron was able to play the ebbs and flows, and both Stone and Mike McCready were right there with him. Same with the cover of War Pigs they did. Very fluid and very moving.
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Wow, that sounds amazing. Achilles is such a monster drum track. Matt really doesn't get chances to play like that in Pearl Jam at the moment. :metal
DT really opened my eyes to a lot of other types of music. Jazz, specifically, and it frustrates me that they don't strip it down more. They of all bands are more than capable.
Maybe the trend will swing more to a natural vibe in general.
@LithoJazzoSphere - checked out Wytch Hazel and will be digging deeper. Cheers.
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So today I "completed" a project I've done versions of over the years. It started out as trying to trace the development of my musical taste over time, with a song per year representing what I was listening to heavily and the various shifts along the way. Many years it was just too agonizing to pick a single song, so I bumped it up to two per year, then three, and some years I was even having to go over that. But what I figured out wound up making sense mathematically turned out to essentially be "My Musical Taste in 100 Songs". Basically chronologically, though there was a lot of hand-wringing over whether to slot them in the first time I was exposed to them vs. when I was most heavily listening to them. Also a lot of aggravation over absolute favorites (particularly in retrospect) vs. what was actually most significant at the time in terms of shifts and turns. That makes more recent years quite tricky as well, since I don't know where everything will lead to down the road. And then some more finessing as I found that certain songs weren't in Spotify and I noticed with the prototype in front of me some obvious gaps and over-duplication. It's tricky when each song is essentially an iceberg, representing sometimes countless others, and whether each additional song is unique enough to add something to the collection, sometimes overvaluing variety over sheer fondness for certain well worn in styles. But overall it was one of the most enjoyable musical projects I've taken on in awhile.
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Harking back to a previous point on here, I watched the Earth Shot Awards on TV and Ed Sheeran did a number. Fantastic live vocal performance. Really professional.
Man I just saw his Tiny Desk concert and that was so good. Of course it helps alot having a killer band supporting you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MsoqUv5gv4&ab_channel=NPRMusic
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So today I "completed" a project I've done versions of over the years. It started out as trying to trace the development of my musical taste over time, with a song per year representing what I was listening to heavily and the various shifts along the way. Many years it was just too agonizing to pick a single song, so I bumped it up to two per year, then three, and some years I was even having to go over that. But what I figured out wound up making sense mathematically turned out to essentially be "My Musical Taste in 100 Songs". Basically chronologically, though there was a lot of hand-wringing over whether to slot them in the first time I was exposed to them vs. when I was most heavily listening to them. Also a lot of aggravation over absolute favorites (particularly in retrospect) vs. what was actually most significant at the time in terms of shifts and turns. That makes more recent years quite tricky as well, since I don't know where everything will lead to down the road. And then some more finessing as I found that certain songs weren't in Spotify and I noticed with the prototype in front of me some obvious gaps and over-duplication. It's tricky when each song is essentially an iceberg, representing sometimes countless others, and whether each additional song is unique enough to add something to the collection, sometimes overvaluing variety over sheer fondness for certain well worn in styles. But overall it was one of the most enjoyable musical projects I've taken on in awhile.
Sounds fascinating!
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I cannot recommend the Silk Sonic album highly enough.
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Gold by Spandau Ballet
I know technically it isn't....but it absolutely is the worst song ever. Why? because if you work in a office and there is a douche, sleazy, power hungry twat in your company - you can guarantee this will be their Karaoke song.
Well in the UK anyway.
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On a bit of a Rush binge as I seem to do every December and I’m once again amazed at the change in their sound in just 10 years from ‘74-‘84 (and I guess the change from ‘84-‘94 is also pretty significant). Compare that to say Dream Theater from 2011 to now and there’s been nothing near as crazy as a shift. I know new technology played a huge part but it’s staggering what they were able to achieve in such a relatively short time.
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I'd love to hear CHVRCHES do an album called "BVRNING", and have it be all happy synthpop/synthwave covers of trve kvlt frosty tunes from Burzum, Darkthrone, Mayhem, Gorgoroth and such.
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I'd love to hear CHVRCHES do an album called "BVRNING", and have it be all happy synthpop/synthwave covers of trve kvlt frosty tunes from Burzum, Darkthrone, Mayhem, Gorgoroth and such.
:lol
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I'm just bumping this thread out of the blue to say I got my package in the mail of a Hockey Jersey that has Shinedown's Leave A Whisper album cover on the front and my name on the back. Despite my polarized feelings of Shinedown nowadays, their debut album still holds up well for me and I'm glad that they partnered with someone to create a hockey jersey of the album cover and many other cool-looking merch.
(https://i.imgur.com/Gqfy7ZG.png)
Now I just need Alter Bridge to do the same and that jersey would be an instant purchase.
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Nice!
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Aha, when I created my "your random musical thoughts" thread, I was probably subconsciously remembering this one. I guess they're a bit different, but a similar general idea.
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Bumping this thread up again but I'm having a few drinks and just saw a new video of one of my favorite guitar players so I had to share:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KPSTGjdwf4
This dude has been an inspiration to me for years.
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I have an ominous feeling about losing several impactful musicians this year. I saw a pic of Ozzy at some grocery store and he looked like he had one foot in the grave. Then I started thinking of all the bands I grew up listening to and pondering their age(s). Hopefully I'm wrong!
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I have an ominous feeling about losing several impactful musicians this year. I saw a pic of Ozzy at some grocery store and he looked like he had one foot in the grave. Then I started thinking of all the bands I grew up listening to and pondering their age(s). Hopefully I'm wrong!
https://fee.org/articles/dying-celebrities-are-a-sign-of-thriving-economies/
The spate of celebrity deaths this year is something we are just going to have to get used to as I predict that the years to come will have at least as many such deaths.
The reason is pretty obvious: there are simply more famous people than there used to be, so it shouldn’t surprise us that in any given year, more famous people die.
Why are there more famous people? The answer is in the growth of popular culture and other forms of entertainment, such as sports, over the course of the 20th century. This generation is really the first to deal with the aging and death of movie and TV stars who came to their fame in the post-war era.
This is particularly true of TV stars as they did not exist in any meaningful way until the 1950s. TV actors who acquired their fame in their 20s and 30s in the 1950s and 60s are now anywhere from 70 to 100 years old. From an actuarial perspective, they “should” be dying off around now
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One of my favorite performances by Russell Allen:
Trans-Siberian Orchestra - Christmas Dreams
https://youtu.be/kLIxGi6fQTY?t=29
The Quality isn't that bad for a phone cam. I even ripped the audio back in the day and have it on my phone. It popped up in my feed so I thought I'd share.
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Of Mice and Men new single:
https://lotsofmuzik.com/of-mice-men-drops-castaway-video/
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W.A.S.P. Unveils 'The 7 Savage Deluxe 8LP Box Set' Highlighting Their 'Capitol Years', with Bonus Tracks LP, 60-Page Book, and More, Arriving October 27th via Madfish Music.
https://lotsofmuzik.com/w-a-s-p-unveils-the-7-savage-deluxe-8lp-box-set/
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Not sure if there's a topic anywhere about The National – they're easily one of my all-time favorite bands. Anyway, rumor has it they might actually drop a second new album later this year! Two new songs have been released and one of them, 'Space Invader' is a great song - check it out!
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In today's news:
MOLYBARON release video for “Reality Show, from forthcoming new album SOMETHING OMINOUS
https://lotsofmuzik.com/molybaron-release-video-for-reality-show-from-forthcoming-new-album-something-ominous/
Palehørse unleashes captivating single “Revival” about fighting depression
https://lotsofmuzik.com/palehorse-unleashes-captivating-single-revival-about-fighting-depression/
Midnight’s “Complete and Total Hell” and “Shox of Violence” – Available for purchase today!
https://lotsofmuzik.com/midnights-complete-and-total-hell-and-shox-of-violence-available-for-purchase-today/
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Primal Fear latest single:
https://lotsofmuzik.com/primal-fear-premieres-lyric-video-for-epic-new-track-cancel-culture/
Lucifer announces NA co headline tour:
https://lotsofmuzik.com/lucifer-announce-north-american-co-headline-tour-with-coven/
Danko Jones new single
https://lotsofmuzik.com/danko-jones-were-always-under-the-radar-and-that-always-keeps-us-hungry-music-video/
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In today's news:
The Hu's tour news plus new video
https://lotsofmuzik.com/unveiling-the-hus-warrior-souls-tour-a-journey-through-music-and-environmental-advocacy/
Nervosa (Brazilian Thrash Metallers) music video
https://lotsofmuzik.com/nervosa-releases-official-music-video-for-their-new-single-jailbreak/
Wolfgang Van Halen Interview
https://lotsofmuzik.com/wolfgang-van-halen-on-his-father-hed-be-so-proud-of-me/
Jordan Rudess new instrument
https://lotsofmuzik.com/dream-theaters-jordan-rudess-every-keyboardist-should-know-about-the-osmose-keyboard/
More coming soon :metal
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Wow for someone that was up Bosk’s ass in the donation thread, you’ve sure been pimping your website quite freely around here. Funny how everyone of your posts lately directs to your site for free hits….
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Wow for someone that was up Bosk’s ass in the donation thread, you’ve sure been pimping your website quite freely around here. Funny how everyone of your posts lately directs to your site for free hits….
It's just as simple to avoid clicking on the links if they don't pique your interest.
NOTE: Requesting an update on a contest announced by the site administrator, especially one involving a monetary donation, falls within my rights. If you're not pleased with it, deal with it.
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NEWS OF TODAY:
DANKO JONES - newest single:
https://lotsofmuzik.com/danko-jones-release-get-high-single-and-music-video/
PRIMORDIAL new music video:
https://lotsofmuzik.com/primordial-releases-lyric-video-for-pilgrimage-to-the-worlds-end-from-their-upcoming-album-how-it-ends/
ASINHELL (Michael Poulsen/Volbeat) new single:
https://lotsofmuzik.com/death-metallers-asinhell-share-desert-of-doom/
:metal
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Last night during the football they advertised some MTV music show of some kind and wow did it reinforce my belief that Americans have by far the worst taste in music of any country in the world.
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Last night during the football they advertised some MTV music show of some kind and wow did it reinforce my belief that Americans have by far the worst taste in music of any country in the world.
The UK - Hold my beer.....
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Yesterday I saw a tweet lamenting that people are viewing Olivia Rodrigo (who is generally awful IMO) as this generation’s Avril Lavigne, and how this is a lost generation. I LOL’ed at the thought of anyone pining for the days when Avril Lavigne was popular.
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Last night during the football they advertised some MTV music show of some kind and wow did it reinforce my belief that Americans have by far the worst taste in music of any country in the world.
As someone who disproportionately likes European music, I think this is hard to compare though. I've heard people from many different countries complain about how awful their mainstream music is, and people from other countries aren't continually bombarded with the worst of it the way you are when you live there. Would probably need more opinions from people who spent significant time living in numerous countries to get a better idea.
Also, I think people in general who aren't heavily into music probably don't realize where a lot of music is from. There are tons of bands on the radio I would guarantee a random person would guess wrong about where they're actually from.
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I LOL’ed at the thought of anyone pining for the days when Avril Lavigne was popular.
Pink! > Avril.
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I LOL’ed at the thought of anyone pining for the days when Avril Lavigne was popular.
Pink! > Avril.
Man, Pink! is one of the surprisingly enduring artists from the late 90s/early 00s. I would have lost a lot of money back then if you had bet me that she would still be popular 20+ years later.
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I personally find it quite fascinating that people complain about Backing Tracks.
Yet, I hear no complaints that Queen has never, ever played the middle section of Bohemian Rhapsody live and has utilized "Backing Tracks" for this when playing the song live.
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I realized I visit this subforum a lot less frequently when Kev is not running a Top XX song/album countdown thread.
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Haven't heard from Kev in a while. Hope he's doing ok.
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You're right, just checked and he hasn't posted since July!
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I realized I visit this subforum a lot less frequently when Kev is not running a Top XX song/album countdown thread.
I actually pm'd Kev if it was ok to pick up the top xx ranking so I do plan on starting one after I get back from vacation. I'll probably put the OP up while on vacation to start getting lists in.
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I thought about wanting to post this in the Sons of Apollo thread, since Bumblefoot is also in this band, but that may not be the right spot. Anywho, there is this band called Art of Anarchy that had former vocalists Scott Weiland and Scott Stapp in their band. Now they got a new vocalist in the fold, Jeff Scott Soto. They got a new song out. Make what you will of it.
Art of Anarchy - Vilified (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0YsFetchXQ)
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Have to be named Scott to sing in that band.
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New THERION single “Twilight of the Gods”
https://lotsofmuzik.com/therion-announce-final-album-of-leviathan-trilogy-leviathan-iii-out-on-december-15-2023/
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New single from Chelsea Wolfe - "Dusk"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-ABKqCuKU
More of an Abyss sound? Litho? :biggrin:
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Picked up a copy of Tone Williams Lifetime - The Collection cheap from discogs. I only knew the song "Fred" beforehand, and I didn't realize it has Holdsworth on it. This is some really awesome, funky, heavy rock fusion.
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New single from Chelsea Wolfe - "Dusk"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-ABKqCuKU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-ABKqCuKU)
More of an Abyss sound? Litho? :biggrin:
About time... Interesting, it's somewhere inbetween it and Pain Is Beauty. It's more overtly trip-hop influenced than anything she's done before at the start, but would fit better on PIB initially, but it gets heavier and grimier as it goes along, which definitely heads towards Abyss territory. She's on a new label now and doing a tour next year, I hope this means she's close to finishing another album. For someone normally so productive she's been fairly quiet the past few years.
Picked up a copy of Tone Williams Lifetime - The Collection cheap from discogs. I only knew the song "Fred" beforehand, and I didn't realize it has Holdsworth on it. This is some really awesome, funky, heavy rock fusion.
Oh yeah, Williams and Holdsworth is a great combination. I should put that back in my queue.
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checked out a tune from Shpongle last night and loved it.
Same with "In the Air" by Morgan Page.
Also "Silver City" by Falling Up is less of a Christmas album, but more of a bunch of Christmas songs reinterpretted in their style.
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Obviously we’re all here because we adore music and are obsessed with it. Many of you are really good at putting into words why you love certain artists/songs, and articulating how they make you feel. I am not :rollin
Anyway, I was spinning a few of my favourite songs of the year so far earlier (and some that I’ve just been digging) and it struck me how they all make me feel different and bring joy in different ways. Kind of a pointless post but here are the songs and why they are important to me (or just why I like them)…
Mandroid Echostar - Rosalia
Rosalia is just great and hits a real sweet spot of proggy pop. I’ve been real lucky this year as there’s been lots of stuff in a similar vein and it scratches an itch that started when I first fell in love with Coheed and Cambria.
Closure in Moscow - Better Way
Which leads onto Better Way. I adore this song and am super pumped about the new album. This also scored really well in Lonestar’s recent roulette and I’m glad others are appreciating the band as much as they deserve.
Tenacious D - Video Games
I haven’t been obsessed with a Tenacious D song for many years! This shows a side of music I love for just being a short, sharp shock. It’s kinda ridiculous, really short and great to sing along to. I could spin it every day.
Norma Tanega - You’re Dead
This song is the theme tune to the show What We Do In the Shadows. It’s a ridiculous comedy about vampires that my wife loves. It is really good and the theme tune is so infectious. I had to add it to my favourite songs.
Blink-182 - One More Time
Blink just released another single off their upcoming album and it got me revisiting this song again. I have so much nostalgia and great memories with friends linked to Blink. As the song is about getting over any past issues with friends and coming together again, it got me thinking about some of my friends this evening. There’s a line about how it shouldn’t take nearly dying to bring people back together, and it makes me think about friends of mine who have addiction issues or are suffering with their mental health. I need to reach out to some of them because people can be struggling and before you know it, it’s too late and you never got to tell them what they mean to you.
Bird Problems - Plume/Gloom
Just some great new prog metal that is a nice reminder (as if I could ever forget) that there is so much good music out there to discover.
King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard - The Silver Cord
Lastly, my boys. New single by the band and this one is hitting hard. It’s particularly surprising as this is not the sort of music I generally like, at all. Lyrically there seems to be a spiritual theme to this one, and I need to give it a listen with the lyrics in front of me. I can’t wait for the new album, especially as they are also releasing an extended version of it, where each song is extended to roughly a 20 minute run time.
Yea, basically this is just saying that just this small cross section of songs can invoke such feelings, and the power of music can still stun me at times.
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Obviously we’re all here because we adore music and are obsessed with it. Many of you are really good at putting into words why you love certain artists/songs, and articulating how they make you feel. I am not
Not true, brother. Not true.
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Kind of a pointless post
(https://media.tenor.com/5f_9y3moaLcAAAAC/atlanta-fx.gif)
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I mean, I've certainly seen plenty of pointless posts (I may, in fact, have posted a few myself), but this is not one of them.
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Nice post Luke. Don't know most of those. Really gotta check this Lizard band out one day.
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Love you guys :heart
@Kade, I love this band and urge everyone to check them out for sure. Huge metal head as you are, I’d say avoid listening to their metal albums as I think you’ll be generally underwhelmed. It’s their weirder sides that I prefer, and the fact they get me into genres I’m not super into. If you’re serious about trying them, listen to the album Omnium Gatherum, as it exhibits their many different styles, all in one album. Either that or host a roulette and you’ll be getting them!
I’d love for you to listen to new single The Silver Cord and post a review here though, I think you’ll HATE it :lol. If you do, check out the video as well.
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I'll definitely look into those Luke. Maybe I can listen and post some thoughts in their thread. See if I can do that tomorrow.
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Season of Mist Partner w/ Nonprofit ft. Megadeath, Sepultura, Obituary, Gojira and other legends of metal to support forests in Costa Rica.
Watch the first single "The Last Howl"
https://lotsofmuzik.com/metal-for-mother-nature-how-savage-lands-and-season-of-mist-are-rocking-the-world-of-conservation/
:metal
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New Madder Mortem song, "Towers" (new album coming out in Jan 2024):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzf7cvrk3jU
Cool tune, as usual. Really like the chorus (not crazy about the middle break with the screams, but not too much of an issue)
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Was listening to Afterlife (in honor of Charlie), and QR’s Revolution Calling came on next on shuffle, and you know, the sound quality of those two recordings is pretty similar. Boxy drums, flabby bass, muffled overall sound.
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Killing Joke's guitarist Geordie Walker passed away at 64:
https://blabbermouth.net/news/killing-joke-guitarist-kevin-geordie-walker-dead-at-64
Very unique and instantly recognizable style. RIP.
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Killing Joke's guitarist Geordie Walker passed away at 64:
https://blabbermouth.net/news/killing-joke-guitarist-kevin-geordie-walker-dead-at-64
Very unique and instantly recognizable style. RIP.
Just saw this. This is crushing. I am a huge Joke fan. I am so glad the original lineup got together years ago and were able to tour and put out a few albums. I was lucky enough to see them open for Tool. Man, this really sucks. Most likely the end of the band. I don't see them continuing with him gone.
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Listening to the new single from Persefone, "One Word". Very nice!
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Listening to the new single from Persefone, "One Word". Very nice!
Better get on that!
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Picked up a copy of Tone Williams Lifetime - The Collection cheap from discogs. I only knew the song "Fred" beforehand, and I didn't realize it has Holdsworth on it. This is some really awesome, funky, heavy rock fusion.
That's a great record. My Dad bought it for me for Christmas years ago, and it's pretty great. I think I prefer the first album to the second one, but all in all, some excellent playing throughout.
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Was listening to Afterlife (in honor of Charlie), and QR’s Revolution Calling came on next on shuffle, and you know, the sound quality of those two recordings is pretty similar. Boxy drums, flabby bass, muffled overall sound.
They were recorded at the same studio within a year or so of each other. I think the studio was called Kajem/Victory Studios.
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Dunno where to post this, but if anybody is a fan of New Wave / 80s Pop music, then I can highly recommend Charly García's records from that decade. Clics Modernos is a classic, and both Piano Bar and Parte de la Religión are excellent. I was quite reluctant to that music style, but he's slowly changing my mind. From making great prog to great pop just shows what a genius he is.
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Stumbled on a YouTube video of Diana Ross's "I'm Coming Out." Now, I've heard this song a million times in commercials and things like the sample in Mo Money Mo Problems. But I'd never realized how sick that intro is. It's soooo good. The drums are killer, and it's really just a great track all around.
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Dunno where to post this, but if anybody is a fan of New Wave / 80s Pop music, then I can highly recommend Charly García's records from that decade. Clics Modernos is a classic, and both Piano Bar and Parte de la Religión are excellent. I was quite reluctant to that music style, but he's slowly changing my mind. From making great prog to great pop just shows what a genius he is.
Listening to Clics Modernos now and it is quite good.
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Yeah I knew you'd dig it, HOF. Took a long while to grow on me, but what an album that is. Piano Bar and Parte de la Religión are a bit more Rock-oriented, in having a full band instead of a drum machine, but they're so good as well.
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Random thought: I’m just listening to Omega by Marianas rest and this song has the best guitar solo I’ve heard in the melodeath genre. Fans of melodeath should definetly check out this song.
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When did Walmart start selling unedited music?
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New single from Sylvaine, from her new EP coming out in March:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oKsDurzt88
Dagsens Auga Sloknar Ut
It's very "haunting" and quite beautiful, although maybe a bit odd as a single, since it very much feels like an introductory track (well, it's the opener after all ;)), with just vocals and keys.
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New single from Sylvaine, from her new EP coming out in March:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oKsDurzt88
Dagsens Auga Sloknar Ut
It's very "haunting" and quite beautiful, although maybe a bit odd as a single, since it very much feels like an introductory track (well, it's the opener after all ;)), with just vocals and keys.
Interesting, though I must say that I was expecting to see more skin by the end of the video. :lol
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New single from Sylvaine, from her new EP coming out in March:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oKsDurzt88
Dagsens Auga Sloknar Ut
It's very "haunting" and quite beautiful, although maybe a bit odd as a single, since it very much feels like an introductory track (well, it's the opener after all ;)), with just vocals and keys.
Interesting, though I must say that I was expecting to see more skin by the end of the video. :lol
:lol
There's quite a bit of skin on the cover of her last album, though :biggrin:
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New single from Sylvaine, from her new EP coming out in March:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oKsDurzt88 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oKsDurzt88)
Dagsens Auga Sloknar Ut
It's very "haunting" and quite beautiful, although maybe a bit odd as a single, since it very much feels like an introductory track (well, it's the opener after all ;) ), with just vocals and keys.
Definitely a curious choice for a single. Way more minimalistic than I would have expected, it sounds a bit like some of Anna von Hausswolff and Myrkur's more subtle material. Quite enjoyed it though.
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Kinda neat piano cover of At the Gates' Slaughter of the Soul:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paf0OoGZPkk
(btw, it's easy to forget/take it for granted, given how many "copycats" it has spawned, but how AWESOME is the main riff of this song??)
Incidentally, there are some other cool covers on her channel, including In Flames' Zombie Inc.
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Yeah, her stuff has been starting to pop up on my feed, but I hadn't gotten around to checking it out yet. Reminds me a bit of the Nikola Cvetković piano covers of metal bands, and the Kate Metz piano/vocal ones.
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Yeah, her stuff has been starting to pop up on my feed, but I hadn't gotten around to checking it out yet. Reminds me a bit of the Nikola Cvetković piano covers of metal bands, and the Kate Metz piano/vocal ones.
Yep, I did check out the Katatonia covers on Nikola Cvetković's channel...very enjoyable...
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On a bit of a Rush binge as I seem to do every December and I’m once again amazed at the change in their sound in just 10 years from ‘74-‘84 (and I guess the change from ‘84-‘94 is also pretty significant). Compare that to say Dream Theater from 2011 to now and there’s been nothing near as crazy as a shift. I know new technology played a huge part but it’s staggering what they were able to achieve in such a relatively short time.
The other day i was thinking about DT's sound and creative output since around that time, and came to a similar conclusion. However, subtle differences are magnified with familiarity, and I have not paid close attention to their output since ~Systematic Chaos. The differences between each of their first 9 studio albums are vast in my view, compared to those since. Not sure how much is my perspective, and how much that view is shared.
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Beth Gibbons (of Portishead) is releasing a new album in May, and she just dropped the first single, Floating on a Moment (https://youtu.be/ldrx0eSqV-E). Sounds amazing and surprisingly uplifting. Some parts really do remind me of Sufjan Stevens. I'm very hyped now :dangerwillrobinson:
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Beth Gibbons (of Portishead) is releasing a new album in May, and she just dropped the first single, Floating on a Moment (https://youtu.be/ldrx0eSqV-E). Sounds amazing and surprisingly uplifting. Some parts really do remind me of Sufjan Stevens. I'm very hyped now :dangerwillrobinson:
This just made my day!
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Beth Gibbons (of Portishead) is releasing a new album in May, and she just dropped the first single, Floating on a Moment (https://youtu.be/ldrx0eSqV-E). Sounds amazing and surprisingly uplifting. Some parts really do remind me of Sufjan Stevens. I'm very hyped now :dangerwillrobinson:
Oh, definitely intrigued. Will listen later
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This is such a great tune by a barely known Frank Gambale project, Big Franklin.
https://youtu.be/5QnoscSJBUM?si=9cOm_kph5xEgMNnG
A hits radio station where I lived in HS had a DJ who managed to sneak stuff like this onto the air with some frequency. Only people I know who know about this project are that DJ, my brother and I, and the guy who sold me this CD used on Amazon.
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Reliqa news!
https://bravewords.com/news/reliqa-sign-to-nuclear-blast-records-release-music-video-for-new-single-terminal
I really like this band. Don't love every song, but I've really kind of taken to them. They're extremely talented and their singer is awesome. Kind of a catchy djenty modern vibe to their music. I definitely like this new song.
@wolfking...do you know them? they're Australian...even opening for Halestorm in Brisbaine next month.
Not saying I recommend them to YOU per se. :lol
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New song from Greek band Khirki, "Featherless":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS7fs4BWWek&t=317s
Their previous album, Κτηνωδία, was one of my surprises of 2021. Incredibly cool mix of hard rock/metal/ethnic-folk influences in a package full of energy and drive. Happy to hear that this song has a similar vibes. Super-excited about the album.
(not sure what the drummer has in his mouth - a toothpick? A lollipop? Most importantly, why? :biggrin:)
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Reliqa news!
https://bravewords.com/news/reliqa-sign-to-nuclear-blast-records-release-music-video-for-new-single-terminal
I really like this band. Don't love every song, but I've really kind of taken to them. They're extremely talented and their singer is awesome. Kind of a catchy djenty modern vibe to their music. I definitely like this new song.
@wolfking...do you know them? they're Australian...even opening for Halestorm in Brisbaine next month.
Not saying I recommend them to YOU per se. :lol
Sorry Tim missed this. No I hadn't even heard the name til you sent me one of their songs a few weeks back. It was pretty good too I will say.
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No biggie. Not a band for you anyway, but I noticed they were playing in Brisbaine so I thought I'd mention it to you.
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Don't know much about Halestorm but cool they are coming here.
Speaking of Brisbane, About a week or so ago In Flames were here with Kreator as support, I had no fucking idea there were even here until 4 days after. >:( :censored :censored >:( Was fucking gutted.
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Don't know much about Halestorm but cool they are coming here.
Speaking of Brisbane, About a week or so ago In Flames were here with Kreator as support, I had no fucking idea there were even here until 4 days after. >:( :censored :censored >:( Was fucking gutted.
So now I have to watch for tour dates in Boston AND Brisbaine? :lol
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Don't know much about Halestorm but cool they are coming here.
Speaking of Brisbane, About a week or so ago In Flames were here with Kreator as support, I had no fucking idea there were even here until 4 days after. >:( :censored :censored >:( Was fucking gutted.
So now I have to watch for tour dates in Boston AND Brisbaine? :lol
Well since you offered, that would be great. :lol
I know Scar Symmetry is coming here soon but meh, not that keen.
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Don't know much about Halestorm but cool they are coming here.
Speaking of Brisbane, About a week or so ago In Flames were here with Kreator as support, I had no fucking idea there were even here until 4 days after. >:( :censored :censored >:( Was fucking gutted.
I think you might like Halestorm. Lzzy Hale has a killer voice.
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Don't know much about Halestorm but cool they are coming here.
Speaking of Brisbane, About a week or so ago In Flames were here with Kreator as support, I had no fucking idea there were even here until 4 days after. >:( :censored :censored >:( Was fucking gutted.
I think you might like Halestorm. Lzzy Hale has a killer voice.
I've heard the name. Probably not enough to go see them though. Maybe I'll check them out though.
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some of the AI voice generated on this channel are both crazy and creepy at the same time.
https://www.youtube.com/@AIVoiceExperiments
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So I just had this thought today.
Kiss were my Beatles.
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My mind was blown away by Joey Eppard on the Neverender cruise. Any fans of him or his band Three? The Three radio on Spotify is hitting the spot today for me
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1E4CWaeS15qk9S?si=c06fe7b0b30b4c49
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My mind was blown away by Joey Eppard on the Neverender cruise. Any fans of him or his band Three? The Three radio on Spotify is hitting the spot today for me
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1E4CWaeS15qk9S?si=c06fe7b0b30b4c49
I listened to some 3 back in the day. It's been years.
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My mind was blown away by Joey Eppard on the Neverender cruise. Any fans of him or his band Three? The Three radio on Spotify is hitting the spot today for me
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1E4CWaeS15qk9S?si=c06fe7b0b30b4c49
a topic about them
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=26767
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a topic about them
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=26767
Thanks!! I looked in the A-Z thread but didn't see them listed.
I listened to some 3 back in the day. It's been years.
Always fun to revisit! Get a little nostalgia.
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Been digging into the first U.K. album this week, and I can't get past how much Alan Holdsworth's solo on In the Dead of Night sound like JP's solos on A Change of Seasons (starting around 17:00) and Trial of Tears. Not note for note or tone for tone, but there is something about the playing that is really similar. Like I've only heard anything like that from those two guitarists.
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Been digging into the first U.K. album this week, and I can't get past how much Alan Holdsworth's solo on In the Dead of Night sound like JP's solos on A Change of Seasons (starting around 17:00) and Trial of Tears. Not note for note or tone for tone, but there is something about the playing that is really similar. Like I've only heard anything like that from those two guitarists.
Spot on, pal.
Another early example of proto-petruccism is performed by Gary Moore with Colosseum II - Inquisition (live version).
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If you are interested, Rick Beato's interview with Michael McDonald was awesome. Lengthy (1:42:00), but worth it if you have a love (as I do) for McDonald and everything he's done, including working with Steely Dan and the Doobie Brothers.
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If you are interested, Rick Beato's interview with Michael McDonald was awesome. Lengthy (1:42:00), but worth it if you have a love (as I do) for McDonald and everything he's done, including working with Steely Dan and the Doobie Brothers.
I don’t love all of his music (not particularly fond of the Doobie Brothers aside from What A Fool Believes), but I do think he has an incredible voice. I recently picked up one of his albums (Blink of an Eye) because there was a co-write with Paul Buchanan of The Blue Nile, and I enjoyed the album well enough for what it is (also has Manu Katche on it, so that’s a plus).
Will have to check out the Beato interview when I have a moment.
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I love McDonald's cover of Stevie Wonder's "All Is Fair In Love".
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I love McDonald's cover of Stevie Wonder's "All Is Fair In Love".
:tup
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as my wife always points out
"Michael McDonald..he's got SOUL!".. :D
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Slash....with Brian Johnson and Steven Tyler-Killing Floor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAxBEfKeOzw
Wow, this is cool as shit.
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My mind was blown away by Joey Eppard on the Neverender cruise. Any fans of him or his band Three? The Three radio on Spotify is hitting the spot today for me
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1E4CWaeS15qk9S?si=c06fe7b0b30b4c49
I'm fairly certain I saw 3 open for DT (or maybe it was Opeth) in the late 2000s or early 2010s. I still listen to "All That Remains" with some degree of regularity, but that was all that stuck.
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I don't recall seeing this posted, hope I'm not wrong...
New song from Seven Spires - "Almosttown", released a few days ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdhDdVUwLZc
I know there are fans on DTF. I can't say I'm totally into this band, but they are surely talented. Vocals are pretty great (I don't know that she needs to do the harshies, but...)
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I don't know if that particular song needed harsh vocals, but some of them do, "Gods of Debauchery", for example.
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I don't know if that particular song needed harsh vocals, but some of them do, "Gods of Debauchery", for example.
No, I know, and I certainly don't mind harsh vocals, in general :) It's just that sometimes I feel singers throw'em in there as if to show how versatile they are. Not familiar enough with Seven Spires to give my full-informed opinion on harsh vocals in their back catalog ;)
This tune was pretty good, though.
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The new single from WILLOW (Will Smith's daughter), "symptom of life", is crazy good. Intro/verses in 7/4, complex jazz chords throughout, switches to 4/4 for the chorus. Extremely tasty!
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The new single from WILLOW (Will Smith's daughter), "symptom of life", is crazy good. Intro/verses in 7/4, complex jazz chords throughout, switches to 4/4 for the chorus. Extremely tasty!
That's a fantastic song. Love the way the vocals have that syncopated rhythm along with the drums. I like those keys too.
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I don't know if that particular song needed harsh vocals, but some of them do, "Gods of Debauchery", for example.
I don't know that ANY song needs harsh vocals. :) :) :) :) :)
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I don't know that ANY song needs harsh vocals. :) :) :) :) :)
I truly used to feel that way. But every now and then I hear a sing with clean vocals, and I just think the song needed a .. bit more.
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It's like being inside a crowded elevator and thinking: I wish someone farted.
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I swear I lost a year's worth of music during the pandemic and this past weekend I finally got around to Tedeschi Trucks Band's "I Am the Moon" quadruple album release. Damn tasty stuff there. I'm really looking forward to seeing them live again.
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I am very bummed to report that over the last week and a half or so, I cannot decide on what to listen to. Other than running through some roulette songs for Kade and Alessandro, I am unmotivated to listen to anything else. Not in a depressed way, but I just can't make a decision. :lol
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I am very bummed to report that over the last week and a half or so, I cannot decide on what to listen to. Other than running through some roulette songs for Kade and Alessandro, I am unmotivated to listen to anything else. Not in a depressed way, but I just can't make a decision. :lol
You want the band maid acoustic album?
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I swear I lost a year's worth of music during the pandemic and this past weekend I finally got around to Tedeschi Trucks Band's "I Am the Moon" quadruple album release. Damn tasty stuff there. I'm really looking forward to seeing them live again.
Yeah, I don't know if they're the best studio band at jamming, or the best jam band at releasing good studio albums, but they're incredible.
I am very bummed to report that over the last week and a half or so, I cannot decide on what to listen to. Other than running through some roulette songs for Kade and Alessandro, I am unmotivated to listen to anything else. Not in a depressed way, but I just can't make a decision. :lol
At any given time there are usually at least a dozen different things I want to be listening to. I just keep a running list and frequently add to, reprioritize, or cull or archive it as needed.
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I don't know that ANY song needs harsh vocals. :) :) :) :) :)
What if I wrote a song about Adam Schiff lying?
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Singers Falling Down The Stairs
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/exbCKn-k0eI
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I don't know that ANY song needs harsh vocals. :) :) :) :) :)
I don't know that any song doesn't need harsh vocals.
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I am very bummed to report that over the last week and a half or so, I cannot decide on what to listen to. Other than running through some roulette songs for Kade and Alessandro, I am unmotivated to listen to anything else. Not in a depressed way, but I just can't make a decision. :lol
Sounds like roulette time again! :lol
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I am very bummed to report that over the last week and a half or so, I cannot decide on what to listen to. Other than running through some roulette songs for Kade and Alessandro, I am unmotivated to listen to anything else. Not in a depressed way, but I just can't make a decision. :lol
I’ve been in that mood for a while now. I’m struggling to get through entire albums because I just lose interest. I’ve been listening to a lot of songs on shuffle hoping that put me in a mood for something.
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Sounds like roulette time again! :lol
It does but No chance!!
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I’ve been in that mood for a while now. I’m struggling to get through entire albums because I just lose interest. I’ve been listening to a lot of songs on shuffle hoping that put me in a mood for something.
I'm with both of you but actually been like this for quite a long time now. A couple of things have hit the spot but all in all, I always draw blanks when I think about what I want to listen to. Sometimes no matter what it is, it just doesn't hit the spot. Its weird.
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It does but No chance!!
Have you followed up on much from the last roulette out of interest?
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What if I wrote a song about Adam Schiff lying?
NO!!!! Because I'd want to hear every precious word of it.
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Have you followed up on much from the last roulette out of interest?
I really haven't. I'll usually revisit a song here and there, but I really don't go on a full scale dive on any artist. Don't think I ever have. I keep hoping that'll change, but it never does. :lol
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What if I wrote a song about Adam Schiff lying?
NO!!!! Because I'd want to hear every precious word of it.
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/wG0Ky7wRhzMAAAAC/yes-lawd.gif)
or
(https://gifdb.com/images/thumbnail/lord-of-the-rings-my-precious-91wke4n9n8hikzkm.gif)
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I am very bummed to report that over the last week and a half or so, I cannot decide on what to listen to. Other than running through some roulette songs for Kade and Alessandro, I am unmotivated to listen to anything else. Not in a depressed way, but I just can't make a decision. :lol
I hear ya. I've been bouncing back and forth between
A) Roulette prep
B) Follow up on what I received in my roulette
C) PPUSA bands
D) 2023 and 2024 releases
That's more than enough to occupy my time at the moment. I find I'm getting more and more particular as time goes on as to what whet's my whistle. I mean, when I buy/save 50ish albums EVERY GODDAMNED YEAR, and I've yet to be given any more hours in the day to listen to my ever growing library :lol. I'm just getting more and more selective at what I will return to. Like, everything new has to be at least as good if not better than everything I already own, otherwise I ask myself "why don't I just listen to what I already have?".
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I really haven't. I'll usually revisit a song here and there, but I really don't go on a full scale dive on any artist. Don't think I ever have. I keep hoping that'll change, but it never does. :lol
Glad it wasn't just me then. I'll make an effort with this one though. But no promises.
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I read Rob Halford now wants to do a Blues album? didnt see that coming LOL
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I read Rob Halford now wants to do a Blues album? didnt see that coming LOL
I would listen to that :tup
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:tup
I would listen to that :tup
:tup
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I read Rob Halford now wants to do a Blues album? didnt see that coming LOL
So register me as voting against this inability to contain a quote tree. :tdwn
I would listen to Rob sing TV jingles at this point.
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So register me as voting against this inability to contain a quote tree. :tdwn
I would listen to Rob sing TV jingles at this point.
;) :tup
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Willie Nelson appears on Orville Peck's new single, which is a cover of Nelson's "Cowboys Are Frequently Secretly Fond of Each Other". Glorious.
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First single from new "supergroup" Cemetery Skyline, featuring Mikael Stanne on vocals and members of Sentenced, Insomnium, Amorphis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1PQE6cxXK4
This is a nice, catchy song of, um, competent gothic metal, but I'm hoping for something a little more exciting for the album as a whole. Stanne's (all) clean vocals on it are very, very good, though.
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First single from new "supergroup" Cemetery Skyline, featuring Mikael Stanne on vocals and members of Sentenced, Insomnium, Amorphis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1PQE6cxXK4
This is a nice, catchy song of, um, competent gothic metal, but I'm hoping for something a little more exciting for the album as a whole. Stanne's (all) clean vocals on it are very, very good, though.
Yea, I listened to that a few days ago and thought it was pretty good. I'll be honest, my first thought was to tuck it away for a potential roulette submission.
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So this band Illumishade is an opener for the Korpiklaani and Visions of Atlantis tour that I'm seeing tomorrow...
I started listening to their singles.... female singer, symphonic, with some djenty metal... and then I heard this song:
ILLUMISHADE - HYMN (Official Music Video) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-63OMmTNQc)
and there's some real Dream Theater vibes, including that guitar solo. Pretty cool as I'm assuming this is intentional, my understanding is this band is a masters degree project for music although nothing else I've sampled has sounded proggy or DT like.
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So this band Illumishade is an opener for the Korpiklaani and Visions of Atlantis tour that I'm seeing tomorrow...
I started listening to their singles.... female singer, symphonic, with some djenty metal... and then I heard this song:
ILLUMISHADE - HYMN (Official Music Video) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-63OMmTNQc)
and there's some real Dream Theater vibes, including that guitar solo. Pretty cool as I'm assuming this is intentional, my understanding is this band is a masters degree project for music although nothing else I've sampled has sounded proggy or DT like.
Yep, 100% agree! In fact, I posted the same observation a few weeks ago when I first checked out the album. The chorus’ progression and melody are totally DT :) as is the solo.
The album is real nice, btw…
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Raul Malo + The Mavericks
just saw Raul last night in Minneapolis.
:tup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz2hwlrC8lQ
new abum from The Mavericks "Moon & Stars" coming in May :tup
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Wow, this looks interesting..
https://bravewords.com/news/category-7-new-band-featuring-john-bush-phil-demmel-mike-orlando-jack-gibson-and-jason-bittner-joins-metal-blade-records
..I mean, except for the Mike Orlando part. ;D
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Wow, this looks interesting..
https://bravewords.com/news/category-7-new-band-featuring-john-bush-phil-demmel-mike-orlando-jack-gibson-and-jason-bittner-joins-metal-blade-records
..I mean, except for the Mike Orlando part. ;D
Waits for Stadler to drop in with a psychosane comment. :lol
Bush and Demmel? Yeah, I'm down for this.
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Wow, this looks interesting..
https://bravewords.com/news/category-7-new-band-featuring-john-bush-phil-demmel-mike-orlando-jack-gibson-and-jason-bittner-joins-metal-blade-records
..I mean, except for the Mike Orlando part. ;D
Orlando isn't that bad IMO, just his gimmicks get annoying pretty damn quick.
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First single from new "supergroup" Cemetery Skyline, featuring Mikael Stanne on vocals and members of Sentenced, Insomnium, Amorphis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1PQE6cxXK4
This is a nice, catchy song of, um, competent gothic metal, but I'm hoping for something a little more exciting for the album as a whole. Stanne's (all) clean vocals on it are very, very good, though.
Nice. I really like the vibe and atmosphere of this. Really cool.
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Orlando seemed like Zakk Wylde 2.0 from what I remember from Adrenaline Mob. Kinda cool for a bit, but one-dimensional after awhile.
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Orlando seemed like Zakk Wylde 2.0 from what I remember from Adrenaline Mob. Kinda cool for a bit, but one-dimensional after awhile.
I mean I get why you say that, but even that comparison doesn't work. Zakk is Steve Freakin' Howe compared to Mike Orlando in terms of "dimensions".
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Joan Jett busted for lip synching??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJekEyara3o
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Joan Jett busted for lip synching??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJekEyara3o
That video is going to give Stadler SO many different emotions.
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Joan Jett busted for lip synching??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJekEyara3o
And yet it still sounds like shit.
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That video is going to give Stadler SO many different emotions.
Heartbreaking. I love Joan Jett.
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It says June 25 2022.... I was at that concert. Here's my clip from Cherry Bomb: https://youtu.be/68VYISWC5dQ?si=Y2N4f7U2fIIQZTOc&t=220 (https://youtu.be/68VYISWC5dQ?si=Y2N4f7U2fIIQZTOc&t=220)
It does sound like there's a bit of an effect on her during the chorus so it's possible the effect is actually a backing track that she sings on top of, but this case, the backing track is the main vocal line. I don't know, she felt really raw and live that day to my ears, and even on that recording, the band sounds live to me.
Not trying to defend her, I'm not some huge fan, just so happens that I was at the same show so thought I'd offer a perspective.
I'm not too offended by this honestly because it felt live in person, but if it is a backing track to the main vocal, that is pretty lame.
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New Black Crowes album is really good. Best album since Amorica for me. Sound itself is good too.