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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: MinistroRaven on December 21, 2020, 04:33:49 PM
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https://twitter.com/dreamtheaternet/status/1341163574060847104
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https://twitter.com/dreamtheaternet/status/1341489826168713221?s=19
IMAGES, WORDS & BEYOND LIVE IN JAPAN 2017
Online video stream 30/01/21 at 7pm EST, get tickets here: https://livefrom.events/dreamtheater/
#DreamTheater #ImagesWordsAndBeyond #LiveinJapan
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Live at Budokan 2017?!?!
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I guess it's I&W anniversary tour Budokan concert. Probably streamed via Youtube.
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Huh..Can't wait to hear!
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I guess it's I&W anniversary tour Budokan concert. Probably streamed via Youtube.
If it is this, I can't wait for those saying, Labrie voice was retouched, too much this, too much that :rolling If MP would be in the band... the sound of MM is robotic, etc.
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Live at Budokan 2017?!?!
Yes :metal :metal :metal
Don't know how they're going to offer this, but I'm glad they're doing something with it, as all the heavy lifting (mixing/editing) was already done and it looks/sounds amazing.
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Obviously Metropolis Part III.
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Obviously Metropolis Part III.
Nah - already been done along with parts IV and V:
(https://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y280/bosk1/DTF/compendium.jpg)
Must be part VI! :biggrin:
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Huh. Just saw this. I don't even have my Distant Memories artbook yet, but I'll probably get to see this online if its a streamed concert first before the DM set arrives at my doorstep.
Can't wait to see how it'll get released.
-Marc.
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Obviously Metropolis Part III.
Nah - already been done along with parts IV and V:
(https://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y280/bosk1/DTF/compendium.jpg)
Must be part VI! :biggrin:
What the hell is this? :lol
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I've already seen the 2017 Budokon show as filmed for Japanese TV. If they are releasing this, I wonder if it will be touched up more production-wise? It's pretty cool the way it is though. :coolio :metal
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If it actually is Live at Budokan 2017 (which was also my first thought)I hope it's a physical release rather than a stream of any kind. I would love a CD with Hell's Kitchen live on it!
It is strange timing for this, or any announcement, considering they just released a live album, but I'll take as much DT as they wanna give me!
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Live At Budokan 2017 didn't even cross my mind honestly.
My first thought was a new album announcement for the Spring.
Maybe a Christmas torrent?..
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Live At Budokan 2017 didn't even cross my mind honestly.
My first thought was a new album announcement for the Spring.
Maybe a Christmas torrent?..
The video fragment they used for the announcement is from the Budokan 2017 show, so I'll be very surprised if it is something else.
Between Distant Memories, the christmas medley, this and DT15 coming next year, this is a GREAT time to be a DT fan :metal :metal :metal
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The video fragment they used for the announcement is from the Budokan 2017 show, so I'll be very surprised if it is something else.
Oh, ok. I used to pay a lot more attention to things. :lol
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Man, Live at Budokan 2017 is happening. So happy about this.
I kinda hope they could do some extra work on JLB's voice because that was definitely a rough show for him but either way I'm so excited. As it was already mentioned, what a great time to be a DT fan.
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Announcing a new live video/album a couple weeks after a live video/album drops seems strange.
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Announcing a new live video/album a couple weeks after a live video/album drops seems strange.
It might be an official bootleg thing or a Christmas free download, a stream, or anything, really. We'll know tomorrow :tup
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Announcing a new live video/album a couple weeks after a live video/album drops seems strange.
It might be an official bootleg thing or a Christmas free download, a stream, or anything, really. We'll know tomorrow :tup
Agreed it seems like odd timing but we don't know the context yet. I do hope it's a physical release not a stream of an old concert. I'd take a live stream of a live concert though! Or new album news.
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I know nothing about this show. I'm guessing this is when the band did I&W in full? I don't follow their touring schedule much anymore? JLB struggled a lot with that did he not?
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Maybe a Christmas torrent?..
WTH is a torrent?
I know nothing about this show. I'm guessing this is when the band did I&W in full? I don't follow their touring schedule much anymore? JLB struggled a lot with that did he not?
Not when I saw them (which I think was the second or third show of that tour).
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I guess it's I&W anniversary tour Budokan concert. Probably streamed via Youtube.
If it is this, I can't wait for those saying, Labrie voice was retouched, too much this, too much that :rolling If MP would be in the band... the sound of MM is robotic, etc.
:lol
Ya know what I want for Christmas? For people to just fucking enjoy something for once.
Anyway, glad this is being released. Even though I didn't think all of LaBrie's vocal modifications were great, I had a blast at the show I attended. In fact, pound for pound it was simply one of the most fun shows I've ever seen.
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I know nothing about this show. I'm guessing this is when the band did I&W in full? I don't follow their touring schedule much anymore? JLB struggled a lot with that did he not?
They down tuned IAW and ACOS a half step, but James did struggle a bit with the songs. The production on this one is fantastic, though.
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The show was on youtube (I guess illegally) for a bit and I caught most of it. It's really well done, JLB sounds similar to what I've seen of the new live album (my order still hasn't arrived so basing it off the youtube video) where it sounds touched up. In many ways. it's very similar to the new album in that the first set is more diverse while the second set is a classic album in full. I saw that show 3 times, enjoyed them all and would totally buy it on blu-ray, however, I don't think I would pay for a live stream of it. Not because I've seen a lot of it, but because it's not live or a unique show in that case.
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Looking forward to checking it out then. Cheers.
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The show was on youtube (I guess illegally) for a bit and I caught most of it. It's really well done, JLB sounds similar to what I've seen of the new live album (my order still hasn't arrived so basing it off the youtube video) where it sounds touched up. In many ways. it's very similar to the new album in that the first set is more diverse while the second set is a classic album in full. I saw that show 3 times, enjoyed them all and would totally buy it on blu-ray, however, I don't think I would pay for a live stream of it. Not because I've seen a lot of it, but because it's not live or a unique show in that case.
It'd be unique to me because I never got to catch the show on youtube before it was taken down.
This is a fantastic, late night surprise tease.
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I remember MM's drums sounding pretty awesome during this show (better than on Distant Memories). And I think he did some amazing stuff on The Gift Of Music.
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Maybe a Christmas torrent?..
WTH is a torrent?
A torrent is a way of downloading files, peer to peer.
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The show has been in house for 6 mnds allready. 1080p quality. Show is overdubbed as f.. but good production.
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Half of the comments on Facebook are :facepalm:
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I guess it's I&W anniversary tour Budokan concert. Probably streamed via Youtube.
If it is this, I can't wait for those saying, Labrie voice was retouched, too much this, too much that :rolling If MP would be in the band... the sound of MM is robotic, etc.
Soooooo many people on twitter saying YES PORTNOY IS BACK.
I mean how many times do they have to say it's not going to happen ?
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I love how the announcement apparently needed an announcement :lol
I seriously doubt it's a live release, especially where they just dropped a live album. It's probably about their new album
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I love how the announcement apparently needed an announcement :lol
I seriously doubt it's a live release, especially where they just dropped a live album. It's probably about their new album
The ones that annoy me are Scheduled YouTube videos.
Like Yes!! Something to watch!!!’ .... in three days.
Great. So tell me then.
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If it is the Return to Budokan..why now? If I remember correct they weren't happy with the result and drop it, only some unofficial youtube videos remain from that concert.
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I love how the announcement apparently needed an announcement :lol
That's the way of the world right now, you need to generate attention and buzz.... maybe someone will see it reposted by a friend and will say "cool, why I don't follow DT? I better do it" and the numbers of followers will increase.
If it is the Return to Budokan..why now? If I remember correct they weren't happy with the result and drop it, only some unofficial youtube videos remain from that concert.
Weird timing for sure, but for all we know, it's gonna be a Xmas gift, hence the release right before Christmas!
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Weird timing for sure, but for all we know, it's gonna be a Xmas gift, hence the release right before Christmas!
Actually that makes sense. It would be a nice bonus for those that wanted it. I wonder if it's going to be a physical release or something in a digital/streaming format only.
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My guess is that whatever it is it will be released to help the crew members through something similar to Bandcamp
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My guess is that whatever it is it will be released to help the crew members through something similar to Bandcamp
Why not! it could be half Xmas gift half "pay what you want" to support the crew....
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Half of the comments on Facebook are :facepalm:
Same on Twitter. I can't believe people take time away from their jobs, their lives, their families... to post some of that crap. You kids, get off my lawn! :)
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Half of the comments on Facebook are :facepalm:
Same on Twitter. I can't believe people take time away from their jobs, their lives, their families... to post some of that crap. You kids, get off my lawn! :)
that's humans for you. (I had to take on a Roger Watersian position here.) I'm not that kind of person, so I don't understand why people do this (as you don't) Anyway, I'm looking very much forward to this, since I attended the tour and I loved it.
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"At this point in time Dream Theater would like to welcome Portnoy BACK to the family and to present our new vocalist Russel Allen. Our new album is already being prepared, and sounds amazing so far!!! It will be a prog epic with a storyline that will be told in three albums, starting with our 2021 release."
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"At this point in time Dream Theater would like to welcome Portnoy BACK to the family and to present our new vocalist Russel Allen. Our new album is already being prepared, and sounds amazing so far!!! It will be a prog epic with a storyline that will be told in three albums, starting with our 2021 release."
:rollin :rollin :rollin
-Marc.
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"At this point in time Dream Theater would like to welcome Portnoy BACK to the family and to present our new vocalist Russel Allen. Our new album is already being prepared, and sounds amazing so far!!! It will be a prog epic with a storyline that will be told in three albums, starting with our 2021 release."
"New band announced, featuring three ex-Dream Theater members: Mike Mangini, James LaBrie and Derek Sherinian join forces on new supergroup Apollo's Aftermath. Rudy Sarzo and Eric Gilette to join them on bass and lead guitars respectively"
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"At this point in time Dream Theater would like to welcome Portnoy BACK to the family and to present our new vocalist Russel Allen. Our new album is already being prepared, and sounds amazing so far!!! It will be a prog epic with a storyline that will be told in three albums, starting with our 2021 release."
"New band announced, featuring three ex-Dream Theater members: Mike Mangini, James LaBrie and Derek Sherinian join forces on new supergroup Apollo's Aftermath. Rudy Sarzo and Eric Gilette to join them on bass and lead guitars respectively"
I'm only half joking, but if Russell Allen is the replacement, it was nice knowing you guys. Good luck and godspeed in your lives! :)
(I'm not and never was on the Russell Allen bandwagon; I like most of his work with Ayreon, but that's about it.)
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I hereby make a promise.
If the announcement is that Mangini is fired and Portnoy has rejoined the group - i'll post pictures of myself in my underpants.
Signed : David Oakes. December 22nd 2020. ;D
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Weird timing for sure, but for all we know, it's gonna be a Xmas gift, hence the release right before Christmas!
Actually that makes sense. It would be a nice bonus for those that wanted it. I wonder if it's going to be a physical release or something in a digital/streaming format only.
If it's a physical release, it's too late for Christmas since nobody would be receiving their orders until mid-January or later.
That being said, it would be well worth the wait. I'd much rather have the physical copy and watch it on a big screen and stereo. It is a great time for DT to be releasing as much material as possible right now since they can't tour. They gotta make a living somehow and I'll buy anything they release.
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"At this point in time Dream Theater would like to welcome Portnoy BACK to the family and to present our new vocalist Russel Allen. Our new album is already being prepared, and sounds amazing so far!!! It will be a prog epic with a storyline that will be told in three albums, starting with our 2021 release."
"New band announced, featuring three ex-Dream Theater members: Mike Mangini, James LaBrie and Derek Sherinian join forces on new supergroup Apollo's Aftermath. Rudy Sarzo and Eric Gilette to join them on bass and lead guitars respectively"
I'm only half joking, but if Russell Allen is the replacement, it was nice knowing you guys. Good luck and godspeed in your lives! :)
(I'm not and never was on the Russell Allen bandwagon; I like most of his work with Ayreon, but that's about it.)
I am and I guess he's probably the only other singer in the world that could convince me to check out a JLBless DT album.
Having said that, if James goes, I go. After so many years, it's simple as that for me. Of course the curiosity to check out the new album would be there, but the downgrade to "band of which I am fan" to "eh, one day or the other I will check it out" would be immediate.
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How about Apollo's Aftermath? Will you guys follow them?
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It is a great time for DT to be releasing as much material as possible right now since they can't tour. They gotta make a living somehow and I'll buy anything they release.
Truth. Billie Joe Armstrong released the Green Day album - an album of cover songs and The Network album this year.
There's no excuse to do NOTHING. With all the extra free time - bands should be putting out way MORE material . Not Way LESS.
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Maybe we'll see a resurrection of YtseJam Records with this release?
I don't know, since it's a "big announcement", I think Inside Out will be involved.
Apollo's Aftermath would be another cool side project! :tup
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They should call themselves Daughters Of Dionysus.
-Marc.
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They should call themselves Daughters Of Dionysus.
-Marc.
:D :D :D :D :D :lol
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Portnoy. Sherinian. Chris Collins. Charlie Dominici should form an ex DT band.
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Portnoy. Sherinian. Chris Collins. Charlie Dominici should form an ex DT band.
I guess Kevin Moore already quit them too?
-Marc.
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I forgot about KevMo - was just gonna add him on.
Then they'd have 2 keys players and 2 "singers"...
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I forgot about KevMo - was just gonna add him on.
Then they'd have 2 keys players and 2 "singers"...
It could be like the old THRAK-era King Crimson with the Double Trio! Imagine the key layers and the vocal harmonies! It could be out of this world!
-Marc.
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It is strange timing for this, or any announcement, considering they just released a live album, but I'll take as much DT as they wanna give me!
Something similar happened in 2013. So maybe.
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"At this point in time Dream Theater would like to welcome Portnoy BACK to the family and to present our new vocalist Russel Allen. Our new album is already being prepared, and sounds amazing so far!!! It will be a prog epic with a storyline that will be told in three albums, starting with our 2021 release."
"New band announced, featuring three ex-Dream Theater members: Mike Mangini, James LaBrie and Derek Sherinian join forces on new supergroup Apollo's Aftermath. Rudy Sarzo and Eric Gilette to join them on bass and lead guitars respectively"
I'm only half joking, but if Russell Allen is the replacement, it was nice knowing you guys. Good luck and godspeed in your lives! :)
(I'm not and never was on the Russell Allen bandwagon; I like most of his work with Ayreon, but that's about it.)
I am and I guess he's probably the only other singer in the world that could convince me to check out a JLBless DT album.
Having said that, if James goes, I go. After so many years, it's simple as that for me. Of course the curiosity to check out the new album would be there, but the downgrade to "band of which I am fan" to "eh, one day or the other I will check it out" would be immediate.
In all seriousness, that's where I'll be. I won't write it off, but James is a big, BIG part of why I love DT, and why I still listen to them. I listened to I&W the other day and it took me only about four minutes to remember why I fell for this band to begin with.
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I forgot about KevMo - was just gonna add him on.
Then they'd have 2 keys players and 2 "singers"...
It could be like the old THRAK-era King Crimson with the Double Trio! Imagine the key layers and the vocal harmonies! It could be out of this world!
-Marc.
I thought of that too, though I also thought of Yes' Onion configuration too. :) :)
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I thought they'd already make the announcement by now.
Portnoy. Sherinian. Chris Collins. Charlie Dominici should form an ex DT band.
I guess Kevin Moore already quit them too?
-Marc.
Side note, Kevin Moore is now a certified Psychiatrist, had no clue he went to med school and completed his residency and is now practicing.
https://www.trinityhealth.org/providers/kevin-moore/ (https://www.trinityhealth.org/providers/kevin-moore/)
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I thought they'd already make the announcement by now.
Given that the announcement for the announcement was around 630pm EST, I'm sure we will know by then, so hopefully some time within the next five hours, we'll know.
-Marc.
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I thought they'd already make the announcement by now.
Portnoy. Sherinian. Chris Collins. Charlie Dominici should form an ex DT band.
I guess Kevin Moore already quit them too?
-Marc.
Side note, Kevin Moore is now a certified Psychiatrist, had no clue he went to med school and completed his residency and is now practicing.
https://www.trinityhealth.org/providers/kevin-moore/ (https://www.trinityhealth.org/providers/kevin-moore/)
"Dr. Moore has a background as a professional musician, initially as a member of a successful rock band and later as a solo recording artist and soundtrack composer."
I don't know; "A successful rock band" could be anybody.... ;) :) :)
Seriously, though, the guy gets around. From Long Island, he gets is Doctorate from Iowa, does his psych. residency in Middletown NY (upstate from NYC), then practices in North Dakota.
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Half of the comments on Facebook are :facepalm:
Same on Twitter. I can't believe people take time away from their jobs, their lives, their families... to post some of that crap. You kids, get off my lawn! :)
Twitter is a digital cesspool. Full stop.
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Seriously, though, the guy gets around. From Long Island, he gets is Doctorate from Iowa, does his psych. residency in Middletown NY (upstate from NYC), then practices in North Dakota.
Don't forget moving across the country after leaving DT, then moving to Costa Rica and then to Turkey, pretty much every album in between the first Chroma Key and the last OSI was made all across the globe :hefdaddy
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Twitter is a digital cesspool. Full stop.
Farce Book is way worse.
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It would be super weird to release another live show but people seem convinced so maybe it is. I would love to see it if JLB sounds ok on it. He was exceptional at the show I saw on that tour. It’s up there with the best I’ve ever seen DT so would love a record of that tour.
As for Russell Allen, good lord no! Such a generic metal singer, powerful voice yes but lacking in any subtlety or uniqueness. If they were going to replace JLB (and I don’t believe they would) my choice right now would be Brittney Hayes/Slayes from Unleash The Archers. I believe she is the greatest metal singer on the planet right now.
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It would be super weird to release another live show but people seem convinced so maybe it is. I would love to see it if JLB sounds ok on it.
It might seem a bit weird, but I can see it happening as some have already mentioned - whether similar to the 2013 fan club release (torrented), through Bandcamp like the Xmas medley they just did (other for crew members or others) or maybe some sort of streaming. As much as I would love to have a physical CD set or DVD in my hands, I just can't see that happening. But having an officially released product - in whatever fashion - will be nice to have.
I'm just curious as to what they're gonna call it. It could be "Live at Budokan 2017", but I much prefer "Back to Budokan" which has a nice ring to it. Or maybe it will something tied to the title of the tour, like "Images, Words and Beyond Live".
He was exceptional at the show I saw on that tour.
Was this before or after you started wearing earplugs to concerts? :biggrin:
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Russell Allan ?
Wasn't he the singer in the abysmal Adrenaline Mob ? The most generic 'metal' band i've ever heard ?
Fuck that. I'd take Labrie on his worst day over that.
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These last couple of years have been some of the most fruitful in DT history. One of their best albums of the decade followed by one of their best live albums in general, and now we're (maybe) getting a random live release for Christmas or something? Pretty sweet.
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https://twitter.com/dreamtheaternet/status/1341489826168713221?s=19
IMAGES, WORDS & BEYOND LIVE IN JAPAN 2017
Online video stream 30/01/21 at 7pm EST, get tickets here: https://t.co/ejSGqHQDot
#DreamTheater #ImagesWordsAndBeyond #LiveinJapan https://t.co/g4ND5UgXj6
Not gonna lie, I was hoping it was ANYTHING BUT a pay-per-view stream. I'd rather pay for a BD/CD set.
-Marc.
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Russell Allan ?
Wasn't he the singer in the abysmal Adrenaline Mob ? The most generic 'metal' band i've ever heard ?
Fuck that. I'd take Labrie on his worst day over that.
You should probably get out more, if Adrenaline Mob is "the most generic 'metal' band [you've] ever heard" How many have you heard? 3?
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Yeah at least put it on YT sometime later.
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Russell Allan ?
Wasn't he the singer in the abysmal Adrenaline Mob ? The most generic 'metal' band i've ever heard ?
Fuck that. I'd take Labrie on his worst day over that.
You should probably get out more, if Adrenaline Mob is "the most generic 'metal' band [you've] ever heard" How many have you heard? 3?
I can't see how any band can get more generic and 'video game menu music' than " Feel The Adrenaline "...
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I hereby make a promise.
If the announcement is that Mangini is fired and Portnoy has rejoined the group - i'll post pictures of myself in my underpants.
Signed : David Oakes. December 22nd 2020. ;D
YOUR EYES ARE SAFE THIS TIME DTF !!!!! :getoffmylawn:
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Yeah at least put it on YT sometime later.
Someone in the Twitter post suggested putting the audio on bandcamp, and that would be a nice idea. I'd consider buying that sooner than I would the stream. At least then I can actually own *something*.
-Marc.
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Yeah at least put it on YT sometime later.
Someone in the Twitter post suggested putting the audio on bandcamp, and that would be a nice idea. I'd consider buying that sooner than I would the stream. At least then I can actually own *something*.
-Marc.
Yes. i'm not gonna pay for a stream which might be 240p because everyone is watching at once and might cut out now and then... It's too risky.
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sigh... Never enough.
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Yeah, not interested. Would pay for the MP3s though.
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So, I’m old. Where will I be able to watch this? And is it possible to watch it on my smart TV? And you can only watch it for a week, you can’t download it?
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Yeah, not really interested in paying for limited access to this show. If they put it out as a proper release or even a basic no frills thing through the official bootleg store, I would buy it but not a one-off stream.
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Paying streaming concert happened 3 years ago? No thanks.
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I thought they'd already make the announcement by now.
Portnoy. Sherinian. Chris Collins. Charlie Dominici should form an ex DT band.
I guess Kevin Moore already quit them too?
-Marc.
Side note, Kevin Moore is now a certified Psychiatrist, had no clue he went to med school and completed his residency and is now practicing.
https://www.trinityhealth.org/providers/kevin-moore/ (https://www.trinityhealth.org/providers/kevin-moore/)
Looks like he takes the time to help people learn to live.
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Dream Theater
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Filmed at the historic Nippon Budokan in Tokyo, Japan, in September of 2017, this historic performance has never before been released worldwide. January 30th, 2021 marks the first official release from Dream Theater’s ‘Images, Words & Beyond’ tour, featuring a live performance of the classic album, ‘Images & Words’, captured in its entirety during their September 11th, 2017 appearance in Tokyo. Don’t miss this presentation, in full HD, initially broadcast only for Japanese audiences, and now for the first time available to audiences worldwide.
Dates
BROADCAST January 30th at 7:00pm EST
LIMITED VOD January 31st at 7:00pm EST - February 6th at 11:59pm EST
Note: You must complete playback before the end time
We do not issue refunds or exchanges after the shipment or delivery of a product (electronic, physical or otherwise)
Dream Theater - Broadcast
Regular price
$16.00
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Dream Theater - Broadcast + Poster + Moderated Q&A Aftershow
Regular price
$45.00
Purchase tickets here: https://store.livefrom.events/collections/dream-theater
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So, I’m old.
1. Where will I be able to watch this?
2. And is it possible to watch it on my smart TV?
3. And you can only watch it for a week, you can’t download it?
I will address your questions here:
1. In your laptop/pc
2. If you have a smart TV you can mirror it to the TV
3. You can watch it for as long as it is made available by the band, YOU CAN download it ONLY if you know how to do it, but a download it is not available by the band/organizer of the stream.
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That's more expensive than any stream I've seen so far and I've seen that concert already, so I'll pass.
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That's more expensive than any stream I've seen so far and I've seen that concert already, so I'll pass.
I'll pass too, I already have this on my laptop
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So, I’m old.
1. Where will I be able to watch this?
2. And is it possible to watch it on my smart TV?
3. And you can only watch it for a week, you can’t download it?
I will address your questions here:
1. In your laptop/pc
2. If you have a smart TV you can mirror it to the TV
3. You can watch it for as long as it is made available by the band, YOU CAN download it ONLY if you know how to do it, but a download it is not available by the band/organizer of the stream.
Thank you.
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Sorry DT but I have to pass on this. I would have bought a physical copy though.
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Online stream only available for a limited time? Totally passing on this.
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Yeah ugh, nice to see more being offered but hard to jump in without ultimately getting a copy of the audio
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Online stream only available for a limited time? Totally passing on this.
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Is that little 1 minute teaser in the announcement the official mix? It's pretty.....not great.
But yea, as others have said....skip. Though for free, I would've checked it out.
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I'm going to watch. I'm hoping there's going to be a physical release down the line as well.
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Interested and intrigued, but not for a limited stream at $16.
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This is the band just testing the waters as it looks like touring would be postponed for at least half a year. If it does well, maybe they will do a livestream series of concerts to temporarily replace the tour.
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I bought the package with the poster. I am traveling that day and probably won't be able to join the post show. But I wanted to support the band.
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I like the idea of a virtual concert. But if people are paying for a streaming live show it should probably be much the same as buying a ticket to see an old fashioned "brick and mortar" :lol concert. To clarify, I'd be interested in paying $16 to see a concert that is actually happening in the moment (or even delayed a few hours to a day for technical reasons). IMO I'm much more warm to the idea of buying a limited stream to a "live" (or very recently played show) than I am to a legacy show that's already out there. :huh: Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out why I think this way?
At the same time I think for them (the band) this may turn to out to be financially smart move, so I can't fault them for doing what they do to bring in the $$ even if it's success ends up setting a precedent for less physical releases :-[ . In any case, the option is there for those who are interested in the 2017 show and that's all good. It's also nice to see that DT have fans that just want to support them too. :tup Well deserved IMO
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:facepalm:
My god you people are picky as hell... :biggrin: :corn :chill
$16 dollars is not bad at all for a live stream, compared to what I have seen. And that doesn't include any other "extras".
I am going to get the higher price because I want to watch the Q&A.
Also, I did not see this Proshot video on Youtube when it was available there. I missed that opportunity and didn't feel like digging for it. Now, this is a great chance for me to see this show. And get to see a great proshot of The Gift Of Music and A Life Left Behind. Could there be a possibility they mixed this a bit better, than when it was on Youtube?
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:facepalm:
My god you people are picky as hell... :biggrin: :corn :chill
$16 dollars is not bad at all for a live stream, compared to what I have seen. And that doesn't include any other "extras".
I am going to get the higher price because I want to watch the Q&A.
Also, I did not see this Proshot video on Youtube when it was available there. I missed that opportunity and didn't feel like digging for it. Now, this is a great chance for me to see this show. And get to see a great proshot of The Gift Of Music and A Life Left Behind. Could there be a possibility they mixed this a bit better, than when it was on Youtube?
FYI, A Life Left Behind isn’t on there. It’s Our New World. And the version I’ve seen is shot great and sounds great.
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:facepalm:
My god you people are picky as hell... :biggrin: :corn :chill
$16 dollars is not bad at all for a live stream, compared to what I have seen. And that doesn't include any other "extras".
I am going to get the higher price because I want to watch the Q&A.
Also, I did not see this Proshot video on Youtube when it was available there. I missed that opportunity and didn't feel like digging for it. Now, this is a great chance for me to see this show. And get to see a great proshot of The Gift Of Music and A Life Left Behind. Could there be a possibility they mixed this a bit better, than when it was on Youtube?
FYI, A Life Left Behind isn’t on there. It’s Our New World. And the version I’ve seen is shot great and sounds great.
Oh ok. I thought it was A Life Left Behind. Got it confused with the Start of the tour in Europe.
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As I said, I haven't seen it. And I will gladly pay for an official version of it. The band pulled it for a reason. And it's good they did, as we got this. Reminds me of IQ, when they released their Show of Resistance as a stream, and then actually released it as a cd, and now are trying to release it as a DVD. Hopefully, if enough people are interesting in watching, maybe they'll make a cd/dvd package as well.
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I have less than no interest in paying to see a stream of a concert that happened 3 years ago. Now if they offer it as some kind of digital file that I can download and check out at home on a day and time of my choosing, and that I can have to view whenever I want, like a DVD, then I'd gladly cough up more than $16. Or even for an mp3 version, I'd be willing to pay. But for a "live" stream I can only view one time? Nope.
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Thanks but no thanks.
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I have less than no interest in paying to see a stream of a concert that happened 3 years ago. Now if they offer it as some kind of digital file that I can download and check out at home on a day and time of my choosing, and that I can have to view whenever I want, like a DVD, then I'd gladly cough up more than $16. Or even for an mp3 version, I'd be willing to pay. But for a "live" stream I can only view one time? Nope.
This. Not in a "never enough LOL" kinda way either. For £16 I want to own the thing.
I've had a few of my fave bands do things that are loads of £ for something you can't even physically own or get separately later etc. It's a bit annoying.
One time - Therapy? remastered their famously bright sounding album Nurse - but the only way to hear/get it - was to buy a £150 career retrospective.
Nope. Or that time they released an acoustic live album - but you could only get it by ordering it from the website with £5 postage on top and no
samples / previews. So you had no idea how it sounded until it arrived. Nah i'll pass..
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I won't be paying for this.
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Yeah... I love DT and all, but many bands have done amazing live streams at this point, both small and big artists. They should put it up for actual (digital) sale (both video and audio). Either that, or they should enter the studio and, you know, do an actual livestream, in my opinion.
And I swear I have seen this already on youtube years back.
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It's not a bad idea to do this, don't get me wrong. For starters, there might be something about their agreement with the network that broadcasted the original concert about not being able to offer the concert as a DVD, but maybe a limited time stream is some sort of loophole. It's not their fault so many of us have seen an unauthorized Youtube upload of this, as well. And if the price had been along the lines of other streams and not half of what you'd pay for an actual DVD you get to keep forever, maybe they'd have less people flaming them in the comments right now.
If MP was here, he would have read through the comments and explained their decision making process on his page within a few hours, but the downside is us possibly not liking the explanation and it would have been one of many grudges between us and MP instead, so :lol
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Horribly overpriced for a three year old show with limited availability.
For that reason, I'm out.
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I thought they'd already make the announcement by now.
Portnoy. Sherinian. Chris Collins. Charlie Dominici should form an ex DT band.
I guess Kevin Moore already quit them too?
-Marc.
Side note, Kevin Moore is now a certified Psychiatrist, had no clue he went to med school and completed his residency and is now practicing.
https://www.trinityhealth.org/providers/kevin-moore/ (https://www.trinityhealth.org/providers/kevin-moore/)
Looks like he takes the time to help people learn to live.
Well played! This almost slipped by me, but that was funny. :tup
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sigh... Never enough.
Not EVERY criticism is unwarranted unaware selfishness. I don't expect things for free, I don't expect them to do just what I want when I want them to, or any of that. Having said that, while I recognize this is the trend, and I recognize that maybe there's more "worth" to the $16 than just the product I get, I'm probably NOT going to park in front of a computer for two hours for $16.00. I WOULD download it for $16, or pay for a physical release. That's just my preference, not an unwarranted complaint against a band giving blood for my entertainment.
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So, I’m old.
1. Where will I be able to watch this?
2. And is it possible to watch it on my smart TV?
3. And you can only watch it for a week, you can’t download it?
I will address your questions here:
1. In your laptop/pc
2. If you have a smart TV you can mirror it to the TV
3. You can watch it for as long as it is made available by the band, YOU CAN download it ONLY if you know how to do it, but a download it is not available by the band/organizer of the stream.
Supposing I did mirror it to the TV, what would the sound be? Does a live stream like that project in 5.1, or would it be stereo and my receiver would have to simulate surround?
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For the issues with pricing, whilst I personally have no issue with it. Could the pricing possibly be because of the rights to the footage/audio being with a Japanese network? I know two of the groups my girlfriend likes from Japan did live streamed concerts earlier this year, and the price for that was about £50 ($60-70)
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Oof, totally not interested in paying for a stream of an old concert. So many people did FREE streams of old concerts. I'd watch it for free, or maybe if they had an option to donate that would be cool..... but $16 is an insane price. The highest I've paid for a live stream was $20 and it was LIVE with a Q and A. I even felt that was a bit much as most live streams are around $10, but it was a band I really like so I paid in. This just seems like a money grab and totally missing what the fans want/expect from a band of their magnitude. Don't they have the studio now? How bout $16 for an hour or two session of watching them perform songs from the studio?
I got to say, DT's management is like the worst I've seen from any band I follow closely. They always seem to just be out of touch.
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sigh... Never enough.
Not EVERY criticism is unwarranted unaware selfishness. I don't expect things for free, I don't expect them to do just what I want when I want them to, or any of that. Having said that, while I recognize this is the trend, and I recognize that maybe there's more "worth" to the $16 than just the product I get, I'm probably NOT going to park in front of a computer for two hours for $16.00. I WOULD download it for $16, or pay for a physical release. That's just my preference, not an unwarranted complaint against a band giving blood for my entertainment.
It wasn't meant to be so literal as to all the lyrics, just those 2 words. From what I read here and on social media, it's like so many are never satisfied with whatever by the band. Maybe I am looking at it this way because I am a newish fan and haven't had past cool goodies. I have a DVD of this... But really, I am happy to support them.
I understand everyone's point, but just all quite negative and really most of the time lately, nothing's enough :huh:
The D/T thread. Not that positive. Or some.."its good, but"..Or James singing, or MM blah blah. Nothing feels like a Fan page, just an editorial. Maybe it's just the nature of people now....
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It's not a bad idea to do this, don't get me wrong. For starters, there might be something about their agreement with the network that broadcasted the original concert about not being able to offer the concert as a DVD, but maybe a limited time stream is some sort of loophole. It's not their fault so many of us have seen an unauthorized Youtube upload of this, as well. And if the price had been along the lines of other streams and not half of what you'd pay for an actual DVD you get to keep forever, maybe they'd have less people flaming them in the comments right now.
If MP was here, he would have read through the comments and explained their decision making process on his page within a few hours, but the downside is us possibly not liking the explanation and it would have been one of many grudges between us and MP instead, so :lol
We might've gotten a Never Enough part 2, if MP had to explain. But, then again, the band doesn't owe us anything.
I am one of those that didn't watch that Unauthorized Youtube video.
I guess you could say some fans are ungrateful. And that is not just with Dream Theater fans, it's in all bands' fans.
I am grateful, Dream Theater is releasing this show OFFICIALLY. And am glad to give them $46. For both, support and for the Q&A afterwards. I gave Devin Townsend $25 bucks for his Crappy Halloween Stream.
This is exactly what IQ did with A Show of Resistance. They filmed the show, but felt it wasn't up to the IQ standards so they were never going to release it. That is until now, when they and their management decided to release the show as a Stream. People ended up loving it, so they released a cd. I missed the stream and wanted to hear the Resistance songs, so them releasing the cd I bought it instantly, unfortunately my cd was warped somehow at the end of the disc that the ripped tracks would skip. Then demand for the Blu-ray got bigger and now they're releasing it...But, due to the current UK lockdown situation, they are not able to ship anything outside of the UK.
Also, NOT every DT fan has seen this Stream. I bet mainly this forum are the only ones that has seen it at all.
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Oof, totally not interested in paying for a stream of an old concert. So many people did FREE streams of old concerts. I'd watch it for free, or maybe if they had an option to donate that would be cool..... but $16 is an insane price. The highest I've paid for a live stream was $20 and it was LIVE with a Q and A. I even felt that was a bit much as most live streams are around $10, but it was a band I really like so I paid in. This just seems like a money grab and totally missing what the fans want/expect from a band of their magnitude. Don't they have the studio now? How bout $16 for an hour or two session of watching them perform songs from the studio?
I got to say, DT's management is like the worst I've seen from any band I follow closely. They always seem to just be out of touch.
Before I saw this post I was going to type in my post...
I'm wondering if this backlash isn't necessarily because of it being a Live Stream, but a subconscious reaction to being upset that expectations/wants weren't met with that announcement. We are not the only Dream Theater fans on this world, we're the only nerds that go online and talk about the band. :biggrin:
Also, they're an older band. They're not a newer band that understands the modern way of doing business. These guys DT hired for the business side all learned how to do things in the time before the internet became what it is now for music. They basically, have to adapt and learn how to do business again, in this fast evolving world. What other bands their age, and from their time, are doing these types of streaming events?
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sigh... Never enough.
Not EVERY criticism is unwarranted unaware selfishness. I don't expect things for free, I don't expect them to do just what I want when I want them to, or any of that. Having said that, while I recognize this is the trend, and I recognize that maybe there's more "worth" to the $16 than just the product I get, I'm probably NOT going to park in front of a computer for two hours for $16.00. I WOULD download it for $16, or pay for a physical release. That's just my preference, not an unwarranted complaint against a band giving blood for my entertainment.
It wasn't meant to be so literal as to all the lyrics, just those 2 words. From what I read here and on social media, it's like so many are never satisfied with whatever by the band. Maybe I am looking at it this way because I am a newish fan and haven't had past cool goodies. I have a DVD of this... But really, I am happy to support them.
I understand everyone's point, but just all quite negative and really most of the time lately, nothing's enough :huh:
The D/T thread. Not that positive. Or some.."its good, but"..Or James singing, or MM blah blah. Nothing feels like a Fan page, just an editorial. Maybe it's just the nature of people now....
Can't say I totally disagree with you. There is that vibe. I can only speak for me, though, and I take responsibility for any indifference I have. Meaning, it's not the band; they are doing what they want to do and how they want to do it, and I can choose to go along or not. I HAVE gone along in the past, I HAVE bought stuff that wasn't in my wheelhouse in the past, but this is sort where I draw the line and I'm like that with most of the bands I love; there are a lot of what I call "2020 decisions" being made by bands - like requiring me to buy vinyl if I want to get the rare(r) music offerings; or requiring me to "stream" things to get the rare(r) music offerings - and I have the same opinion on that. It's not exclusive to Dream Theater.
I'm sorry (sincerely); I didn't mean to dismiss your post, just offer another point of view.
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Hard pass. Like Ministro, I've got the concert on my laptop from the original YT streams. Even if I didn't have it, doubt I'd drop $16USD on this for a 1-week window to watch it (and can it be watched multiple times?).
I get bands are trying for some new, interesting, and innovative ways to find revenue streams, but for me, this ain't it.
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If it was any other year, I'd think it was a little strange to stream this concert like this.
But this is 2020, bands are going on permanent hiatus and breaking up left and right... aren't they?
But DT's "pandemic plan" has been filled with oddities and things we didn't expect.
Distant Memories - audio, blu-ray, box sets
New album - in studio now
Terminal Velocity - with MP
LTE3
Holiday Spirit Carries On
Jorden's mini moog concert
Japan 2017 stream
...and I think JLB is in the studio for a solo album too.
How many times have we gone all year wishing for stuff like this?
I'm really just glad DT can withstand having no ticket sales for a while.
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I really hope the Band will take the IQ approach and release this as a future Ytsejam release. The demand is there as is evidenced on this thread. Have it streamed for us all who didn't get to see it. And then later on, maybe, release it as an "Official Bootleg" for those that are complaining about spending $16 on something they can't own...and charge $30 bucks for it. :biggrin:
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I think the show will get a DVD/BR release but only after the stream has come to pass. Distant Memories came out less than a month ago, so putting out a new live Blu-ray that soon may not prove lucrative enough. However, I can see a March/April release as a fairly possible scenario. I'd buy a Blu-ray of that show in a heartbeat. Really hope that the question about a physical release will come up in the Q&A after the show and we'll get to know if it's happening or not.
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sigh... Never enough.
Not EVERY criticism is unwarranted unaware selfishness. I don't expect things for free, I don't expect them to do just what I want when I want them to, or any of that. Having said that, while I recognize this is the trend, and I recognize that maybe there's more "worth" to the $16 than just the product I get, I'm probably NOT going to park in front of a computer for two hours for $16.00. I WOULD download it for $16, or pay for a physical release. That's just my preference, not an unwarranted complaint against a band giving blood for my entertainment.
It wasn't meant to be so literal as to all the lyrics, just those 2 words. From what I read here and on social media, it's like so many are never satisfied with whatever by the band. Maybe I am looking at it this way because I am a newish fan and haven't had past cool goodies. I have a DVD of this... But really, I am happy to support them.
I understand everyone's point, but just all quite negative and really most of the time lately, nothing's enough :huh:
The D/T thread. Not that positive. Or some.."its good, but"..Or James singing, or MM blah blah. Nothing feels like a Fan page, just an editorial. Maybe it's just the nature of people now....
Can't say I totally disagree with you. There is that vibe. I can only speak for me, though, and I take responsibility for any indifference I have. Meaning, it's not the band; they are doing what they want to do and how they want to do it, and I can choose to go along or not. I HAVE gone along in the past, I HAVE bought stuff that wasn't in my wheelhouse in the past, but this is sort where I draw the line and I'm like that with most of the bands I love; there are a lot of what I call "2020 decisions" being made by bands - like requiring me to buy vinyl if I want to get the rare(r) music offerings; or requiring me to "stream" things to get the rare(r) music offerings - and I have the same opinion on that. It's not exclusive to Dream Theater.
I'm sorry (sincerely); I didn't mean to dismiss your post, just offer another point of view.
It's all good! :heart
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I think the show will get a DVD/BR release but only after the stream has come to pass. Distant Memories came out less than a month ago, so putting out a new live Blu-ray that soon may not prove lucrative enough. However, I can see a March/April release as a fairly possible scenario. I'd buy a Blu-ray of that show in a heartbeat. Really hope that the question about a physical release will come up in the Q&A after the show and we'll get to know if it's happening or not.
I think so too. The show isn't until late January/February. They could also be using this as a matter of generating costs to release the DVD/CD. Maybe, they want to release it that way, but don't want to dig into the band funds for it, as they are doing a new album and need to actually be saving that money for the future of the band.
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So, I’m old.
1. Where will I be able to watch this?
2. And is it possible to watch it on my smart TV?
3. And you can only watch it for a week, you can’t download it?
I will address your questions here:
1. In your laptop/pc
2. If you have a smart TV you can mirror it to the TV
3. You can watch it for as long as it is made available by the band, YOU CAN download it ONLY if you know how to do it, but a download it is not available by the band/organizer of the stream.
Supposing I did mirror it to the TV, what would the sound be? Does a live stream like that project in 5.1, or would it be stereo and my receiver would have to simulate surround?
Can't really tell, I don't have a 5.1 surround system. But I guess it would.
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I don't know of any live stream having 5.1 surround. Maybe since this was a professionally done video, it has it, but not sure it would be streaming with that as most people watching are going to be using a stereo sound system.
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cramx3 probably is right, I don't think the stream will have 5.1.
The copy I have looks awesome, but I don't think it is in 5.1 and I don't have a way to know, I guess.
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I think the show will get a DVD/BR release but only after the stream has come to pass. Distant Memories came out less than a month ago, so putting out a new live Blu-ray that soon may not prove lucrative enough. However, I can see a March/April release as a fairly possible scenario. I'd buy a Blu-ray of that show in a heartbeat. Really hope that the question about a physical release will come up in the Q&A after the show and we'll get to know if it's happening or not.
I think so too. The show isn't until late January/February. They could also be using this as a matter of generating costs to release the DVD/CD. Maybe, they want to release it that way, but don't want to dig into the band funds for it, as they are doing a new album and need to actually be saving that money for the future of the band.
That makes a lot of sense. :tup
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Oof, totally not interested in paying for a stream of an old concert. So many people did FREE streams of old concerts. I'd watch it for free, or maybe if they had an option to donate that would be cool..... but $16 is an insane price. The highest I've paid for a live stream was $20 and it was LIVE with a Q and A. I even felt that was a bit much as most live streams are around $10, but it was a band I really like so I paid in. This just seems like a money grab and totally missing what the fans want/expect from a band of their magnitude. Don't they have the studio now? How bout $16 for an hour or two session of watching them perform songs from the studio?
I got to say, DT's management is like the worst I've seen from any band I follow closely. They always seem to just be out of touch.
Absolutely agree with all of this.
Over the past two months I've seen amazing live-streams from bands actually playing live for less and with access to the streams afterwards. This is very, very lame. I don't really like polished live releases anyway, so why would I want to see a mixed-down live concert that happened 3 years ago? This band probably has tons of resources to actually make something amazing workable, yet they decide to do this completely unnecessary thing. 'Out of touch' is definitely the best description.
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I think the show will get a DVD/BR release but only after the stream has come to pass. Distant Memories came out less than a month ago, so putting out a new live Blu-ray that soon may not prove lucrative enough. However, I can see a March/April release as a fairly possible scenario. I'd buy a Blu-ray of that show in a heartbeat. Really hope that the question about a physical release will come up in the Q&A after the show and we'll get to know if it's happening or not.
I think so too. The show isn't until late January/February. They could also be using this as a matter of generating costs to release the DVD/CD. Maybe, they want to release it that way, but don't want to dig into the band funds for it, as they are doing a new album and need to actually be saving that money for the future of the band.
I might be able to get behind that, if that was the case. I get that they don't want to promise something they can't deliver, but if it's "let's see what we raise and if we can afford it we'll release it", well, that seems to be a losing proposition or poor marketing however you want to look at it.
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The amount of complaints in this thread is remarkable.
The band is going out of their way to release something that people have been clamoring for for three years, and there are so many people saying stuff like, "What the hell, I gotta pay for this??" Yeah, streams cost money. As much as people don't want to admit it, Dream Theater is not Metallica. They can't stream old shows for weeks on end for free.
Yeah, it's a stream. Oh well. I wanted a physical release too, but that's not happening (yet), so I'll gladly fork over $16 (maybe I won't get coffee that week) to the band I've supported since 2003. I've paid a lot more for a lot less when it comes to DT stuff, and a lot of that money didn't go to the band (ie, buying old Fan Club CDs on ebay). $16 to support my favorite band? Easy. I'll probably get a buddy or two over to watch it too. Compared to going to the movies with a few friends, $16 is a friggin' steal.
To be fair, I haven't seen most of this. Probably a song or two back when it was first uploaded. So I get not wanting to pay for this if you saw it already. But the band didn't make money on those youtube streams. They deserve to be paid for their work. Ask Lars, he'll tell you.
And what about this suggests that the band is out of touch? Are they the only band doing streams of older shows? Nope. Are they the only ones asking for money for streams? Nope. This is what a lot of bands are doing. Is it because they're doing this instead of putting out a DVD? If that's the case, then maybe it's not them who's out of touch.
My 2¢. I'm excited.
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For the issues with pricing, whilst I personally have no issue with it. Could the pricing possibly be because of the rights to the footage/audio being with a Japanese network? I know two of the groups my girlfriend likes from Japan did live streamed concerts earlier this year, and the price for that was about £50 ($60-70)
That's nice, but this isn't a live stream.
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The amount of complaints in this thread is remarkable.
It's called the free market. And from the posts in this thread, it seems the prevailing view from here is $16.00 for a limited stream of a 3-year-old show just isn't gonna fly with a lot of people. I'm not "complaining" about anything. I couldn't possibly care less about this. The post was made, from where I sit, most of the people here agree this is too much money for what they're putting out. I mean, I have subscriptions to a couple of streaming services that cost $15.00 a MONTH and that gets me 24/7/365 access to thousands and thousands of streams of everything from concerts to cooking shows. Why in the world would I plunk down MORE than that for limited access to a single concert video?
I don't think they thought this out. I *might* have been willing to check it out for....I dunno, $5.00? I think it would have enticed more people at a lower price point, that's all I'm saying. If that's complaining or whining, well, someone pass the cheese.
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Another perspective for this is for me, if Google tells me correctly, 7.00pm EST is 10am my time here in Brisbane, Australia. So I'm at work, so this is actually useless to me. Just another point of view for those saying we are whinging about this.
I WOULD pay $16 for a high quality video download of it though.
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Another perspective for this is for me, if Google tells me correctly, 7.00pm EST is 10am my time here in Brisbane, Australia. So I'm at work, so this is actually useless to me. Just another point of view for those saying we are whinging about this.
I WOULD pay $16 for a high quality video download of it though.
If it's not clear from the original post by DT, the video will be On Demand for a week after the initial stream. It's not a one and done thing.
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Don't they have the studio now? How bout $16 for an hour or two session of watching them perform songs from the studio?
That would be cool and they could even make it towards the release of the new album, do a live-in-the-studio kind of thing, and those who pay to see it get a worldwide preview of the new single, whatever that will be.
But I assume that if they do stream a new song, it's online for all the world to hear 6 minutes later (and the day after there's a south american or asian guy on YouTube that already did a full cover), so that wouldn't be an incentive I guess.
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Another perspective for this is for me, if Google tells me correctly, 7.00pm EST is 10am my time here in Brisbane, Australia. So I'm at work, so this is actually useless to me. Just another point of view for those saying we are whinging about this.
I WOULD pay $16 for a high quality video download of it though.
If it's not clear from the original post by DT, the video will be On Demand for a week after the initial stream. It's not a one and done thing.
Ah okay. I'll still pass.
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(and the day after there's a south american or asian guy on YouTube that already did a full cover), so that wouldn't be an incentive I guess.
:rollin :rollin
So true!
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Don't they have the studio now? How bout $16 for an hour or two session of watching them perform songs from the studio?
That would be cool and they could even make it towards the release of the new album, do a live-in-the-studio kind of thing, and those who pay to see it get a worldwide preview of the new single, whatever that will be.
But I assume that if they do stream a new song, it's online for all the world to hear 6 minutes later (and the day after there's a south american or asian guy on YouTube that already did a full cover), so that wouldn't be an incentive I guess.
Blind Guardian did this during the Wacken online festival this year, which was free, and they scrubbed it from youtube shortly after performing the song and later, it was uploaded on the main channels as the official video for the song.
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If it was any other year, I'd think it was a little strange to stream this concert like this.
But this is 2020, bands are going on permanent hiatus and breaking up left and right... aren't they?
But DT's "pandemic plan" has been filled with oddities and things we didn't expect.
Distant Memories - audio, blu-ray, box sets
New album - in studio now
Terminal Velocity - with MP
LTE3
Holiday Spirit Carries On
Jorden's mini moog concert
Japan 2017 stream
...and I think JLB is in the studio for a solo album too.
How many times have we gone all year wishing for stuff like this?
I'm really just glad DT can withstand having no ticket sales for a while.
Yeah, it's like they are releasing everything this year except anything relating to The Astonishing tour. :facepalm: :facepalm:
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I absolutely loved this show when I saw it live. I will probably wind up getting this, but honestly, I would pay double that price, or more, for a good blu-ray release of the show with some special features.
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I absolutely loved this show when I saw it live. I will probably wind up getting this, but honestly, I would pay double that price, or more, for a good blu-ray release of the show with some special features.
Same
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I absolutely loved this show when I saw it live. I will probably wind up getting this, but honestly, I would pay double that price, or more, for a good blu-ray release of the show with some special features.
Same
Indeed.
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If it was any other year, I'd think it was a little strange to stream this concert like this.
But this is 2020, bands are going on permanent hiatus and breaking up left and right... aren't they?
But DT's "pandemic plan" has been filled with oddities and things we didn't expect.
Distant Memories - audio, blu-ray, box sets
New album - in studio now
Terminal Velocity - with MP
LTE3
Holiday Spirit Carries On
Jorden's mini moog concert
Japan 2017 stream
...and I think JLB is in the studio for a solo album too.
How many times have we gone all year wishing for stuff like this?
I'm really just glad DT can withstand having no ticket sales for a while.
Yeah, it's like they are releasing everything this year except anything relating to The Astonishing tour. :facepalm: :facepalm:
They are doing it right then. ;D
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If it was any other year, I'd think it was a little strange to stream this concert like this.
But this is 2020, bands are going on permanent hiatus and breaking up left and right... aren't they?
But DT's "pandemic plan" has been filled with oddities and things we didn't expect.
Distant Memories - audio, blu-ray, box sets
New album - in studio now
Terminal Velocity - with MP
LTE3
Holiday Spirit Carries On
Jorden's mini moog concert
Japan 2017 stream
...and I think JLB is in the studio for a solo album too.
How many times have we gone all year wishing for stuff like this?
I'm really just glad DT can withstand having no ticket sales for a while.
Yeah, it's like they are releasing everything this year except anything relating to The Astonishing tour. :facepalm: :facepalm:
They are doing it right then. ;D
Wrong! ;)
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You could purchase a ticket to the stream, send me the receipt and I will send you the show for you to have it.
I AM KIDDING!!!!
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I.looked at the other streams on offer in that streaming website. They are much smaller bands but they charge around 40 USD a stream. So I guess DT really is just testing the waters here, maybe not letting that unreleased live video to waste, raise some revenue, maybe even momey for the crew.
So I am not complaining. I paid around 50 USD to watch thisnshow here in Manila and it's just balcony. From that perspective, 16 USD is not expensive at all.
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The amount of complaints in this thread is remarkable.
The band is going out of their way to release something that people have been clamoring for for three years, and there are so many people saying stuff like, "What the hell, I gotta pay for this??" Yeah, streams cost money. As much as people don't want to admit it, Dream Theater is not Metallica. They can't stream old shows for weeks on end for free.
Yeah, it's a stream. Oh well. I wanted a physical release too, but that's not happening (yet), so I'll gladly fork over $16 (maybe I won't get coffee that week) to the band I've supported since 2003. I've paid a lot more for a lot less when it comes to DT stuff, and a lot of that money didn't go to the band (ie, buying old Fan Club CDs on ebay). $16 to support my favorite band? Easy. I'll probably get a buddy or two over to watch it too. Compared to going to the movies with a few friends, $16 is a friggin' steal.
To be fair, I haven't seen most of this. Probably a song or two back when it was first uploaded. So I get not wanting to pay for this if you saw it already. But the band didn't make money on those youtube streams. They deserve to be paid for their work. Ask Lars, he'll tell you.
And what about this suggests that the band is out of touch? Are they the only band doing streams of older shows? Nope. Are they the only ones asking for money for streams? Nope. This is what a lot of bands are doing. Is it because they're doing this instead of putting out a DVD? If that's the case, then maybe it's not them who's out of touch.
My 2¢. I'm excited.
I'm just as astonished about the complaints, that I also find it remarkable.
They're complaining, about it not being Live, an old show they saw (and that is no fault other than your own if you watched that video, and went out of your way to download it or find a bootleg dvd of that show), it costing money, or it not being a physical release instead.
I didn't watch any videos, because I could find any on youtube, and didn't want to dig further for them. I just said, "oh well, I hope they'll release it sometime in the future."....The future is now, and they are releasing it, albeit a stream, but I'll take that as I can still watch it.
Your movie analogy makes a crapload of sense. It's almost the same thing we are experiencing with these live streams. The bands are premiering their live shows, whether actually live or something from the archives. It's exactly like going to the movie theater. You're paying to watch a movie on the big screen, and with good sound, you don't own it. Later on, you can own it as the DVD/Blu-rays get released. This is what I am noticing happening with these live streams. Fans are demanding a dvd/blu-ray of the actual live stream show, like Katatonia. Or one of the pre-recorded show like IQ with A Show of Resistance and Ever, which they are doing a bundle of both pre-recorded shows on DVD/Blu-ray.
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Your movie analogy makes a crapload of sense.
No it doesn't. It's a concert, not a movie. I mean, if you go to a theater to watch a concert film, then fine.
But for most of us, it's asking us to watch a concert on our computer for a finite time. I'd be all over this if I could download it and watch when I want.
And saying this product isn't worth it isn't complaining.
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If it was any other year, I'd think it was a little strange to stream this concert like this.
But this is 2020, bands are going on permanent hiatus and breaking up left and right... aren't they?
But DT's "pandemic plan" has been filled with oddities and things we didn't expect.
Distant Memories - audio, blu-ray, box sets
New album - in studio now
Terminal Velocity - with MP
LTE3
Holiday Spirit Carries On
Jorden's mini moog concert
Japan 2017 stream
...and I think JLB is in the studio for a solo album too.
How many times have we gone all year wishing for stuff like this?
I'm really just glad DT can withstand having no ticket sales for a while.
Yeah, it's like they are releasing everything this year except anything relating to The Astonishing tour. :facepalm: :facepalm:
There isn’t a high demand for it. Outside of a few people on this forum, I haven’t seen anyone clamoring for a live release of The Astonishing. The Images and Scenes anniversary tours were better received. I know there are fans that have said they liked The Astonishing concert more than the album. But still, the band probably doesn’t want to get burned by it again.
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Your movie analogy makes a crapload of sense.
No it doesn't. It's a concert, not a movie. I mean, if you go to a theater to watch a concert film, then fine.
But for most of us, it's asking us to watch a concert on our computer for a finite time. I'd be all over this if I could download it and watch when I want.
And saying this product isn't worth it isn't complaining.
I've seen plenty of concerts at movie theaters. Live at Luna Park, Through The Never, Linkin Park's Live In Texas... And I've also streamed brand new movies in my house for a finite time. I paid $20 so my kid could watch Trolls World Tour the day it came out. I had 48 hours to watch it once it started. We watched it twice. I feel like I got my money's worth.
Probably all of those cost more than what this does. And this gives you a week to watch it on demand!
And also, any PS3-5, and Xbox whatevers have built in browsers that you can stream on straight to your TV. A computer is not necessarily necessary.
But if it's not worth it to you, Tim, that's fine, that's up to you. It's totally worth it to me. I think of it as spending $16 to have a great night of entertainment with a few friends. I can't go out with my friends, and I sure as hell can't go to any concerts. This is a cheap night I'm going to be looking forward to.
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Live at Budokan 2017?!?!
Yes :metal :metal :metal
Don't know how they're going to offer this, but I'm glad they're doing something with it, as all the heavy lifting (mixing/editing) was already done and it looks/sounds amazing.
This is also why, I feel, they are streaming the Live at Budokan 2017 show...and not a video of The Astonishing tour. I doubt they have/want to take the time to get all that set up, and that takes some time. I also doubt they would want to present an actual Live Stream, in the same way that Trivium and Dream Evil did their live streams. To do it like the other bands, it takes someone to present the graphics for the green screen, and as I said, why would you want to put funds into that when you are recording an album and also trying to save for the future of the band.
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Wasn't up on this show at the time, and didn't care much to follow it. I am sure I checked out the setlist at some point, but looking at it again... man that is a random first set.
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Your movie analogy makes a crapload of sense.
No it doesn't. It's a concert, not a movie. I mean, if you go to a theater to watch a concert film, then fine.
But for most of us, it's asking us to watch a concert on our computer for a finite time. I'd be all over this if I could download it and watch when I want.
And saying this product isn't worth it isn't complaining.
This.
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It wasn't meant to be so literal as to all the lyrics, just those 2 words. From what I read here and on social media, it's like so many are never satisfied with whatever by the band. Maybe I am looking at it this way because I am a newish fan and haven't had past cool goodies. I have a DVD of this... But really, I am happy to support them.
I understand everyone's point, but just all quite negative and really most of the time lately, nothing's enough :huh:
The D/T thread. Not that positive. Or some.."its good, but"..Or James singing, or MM blah blah. Nothing feels like a Fan page, just an editorial. Maybe it's just the nature of people now....
I've been a fan for over 20 years and I agree. You're right.
And it's not about the specific point of this thread, it's the whole set.
I always thought that the surrounding environment would be irrelevant, as long as I was satisfied with the music / band. After all, I was able to have fun with Dream Theater these past few years, even with negativity as a big background noise.
But ... negativity won. It's not so fun anymore.
It is also not a matter of not being critical. I was / am a great critic of the TOT-BC&SL period, but even during that time, it was more fun to belong to the band's fan base than nowadays.
I can understand you.
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Your movie analogy makes a crapload of sense.
No it doesn't. It's a concert, not a movie. I mean, if you go to a theater to watch a concert film, then fine.
But for most of us, it's asking us to watch a concert on our computer for a finite time. I'd be all over this if I could download it and watch when I want.
And saying this product isn't worth it isn't complaining.
I've seen plenty of concerts at movie theaters. Live at Luna Park, Through The Never, Linkin Park's Live In Texas... And I've also streamed brand new movies in my house for a finite time. I paid $20 so my kid could watch Trolls World Tour the day it came out. I had 48 hours to watch it once it started. We watched it twice. I feel like I got my money's worth.
Probably all of those cost more than what this does. And this gives you a week to watch it on demand!
And also, any PS3-5, and Xbox whatevers have built in browsers that you can stream on straight to your TV. A computer is not necessarily necessary.
But if it's not worth it to you, Tim, that's fine, that's up to you. It's totally worth it to me. I think of it as spending $16 to have a great night of entertainment with a few friends. I can't go out with my friends, and I sure as hell can't go to any concerts. This is a cheap night I'm going to be looking forward to.
That's cool people thinking it's worth it, but those of us that don't, it doesn't mean we are complaining. I've spent my fair share on the band but this doesn't cut it for me. Great for those that it does though.
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The conspiracy theorist in me is that they wanted to find a way to release it but not have it permanently out there due to the way Labrie sounds (which is only okay and has some weird effect on it) and not wanting to pay to retouch and bring it up to typical DVD release standards.
I don’t honestly expect a DVD/Blu-ray release after this.
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Oof, totally not interested in paying for a stream of an old concert. So many people did FREE streams of old concerts. I'd watch it for free, or maybe if they had an option to donate that would be cool..... but $16 is an insane price. The highest I've paid for a live stream was $20 and it was LIVE with a Q and A. I even felt that was a bit much as most live streams are around $10, but it was a band I really like so I paid in. This just seems like a money grab and totally missing what the fans want/expect from a band of their magnitude. Don't they have the studio now? How bout $16 for an hour or two session of watching them perform songs from the studio?
I got to say, DT's management is like the worst I've seen from any band I follow closely. They always seem to just be out of touch.
Now that would be worth paying for. Great idea.
Couldn't agree more re being out of touch, either, although I suspect that's not just down to management.
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Oof, totally not interested in paying for a stream of an old concert. So many people did FREE streams of old concerts. I'd watch it for free, or maybe if they had an option to donate that would be cool..... but $16 is an insane price. The highest I've paid for a live stream was $20 and it was LIVE with a Q and A. I even felt that was a bit much as most live streams are around $10, but it was a band I really like so I paid in. This just seems like a money grab and totally missing what the fans want/expect from a band of their magnitude. Don't they have the studio now? How bout $16 for an hour or two session of watching them perform songs from the studio?
I got to say, DT's management is like the worst I've seen from any band I follow closely. They always seem to just be out of touch.
Now that would be worth paying for. Great idea.
Couldn't agree more re being out of touch, either, although I suspect that's not just down to management.
What is out of touch is thinking that bands charge only 16 USD for an hour or two of livestream of a new performance.
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What is out of touch is thinking that bands charge only 16 USD for an hour or two of livestream of a new performance.
But they do. Nothing I've watched was over that amount, and most had some production values put in - they staged it somewhere other than their own studios (DT has the advantage there), there were multiple cameras, etc.
I get how they would think 16USD to have a week to watch a show everyone said they wanted but that they can't release is fair, but they're missing out what's happening in the rest of the music market. Maybe all of their industry friends are content to just sit in their houses until they can play, but other bands have been hustling pretty hard to try this livestream thing out.
DT has been doing some cool stuff on other fronts, but it's all about communication. "Hey guys, we can't do a live show because James can't make it to our location, but we wanna release something for you, and what we earn from that will help us with production costs if we wanna do one down the road when it's safer to travel but not safe enough to tour", that would have been acceptable. Instead of "the band is releasing this product and you can buy it if you want, along with the other stuff you may have bought, or not".
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I'm really curious to see how the sales of this live streaming will be, since it has been sometime this has been out on internet. Personally, I would love to buy a physical product of this - to me, it's one of DT's best live videos "releases" from MM era (as Distant Memories) and I'm DT collector.
I guess I will pay for this live streaming because, well, first it's the right thing to do - it's the way DT choose (for whatever reason) to make it officially avaible to the fans, second, I really want to support the band throught these times.
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What is out of touch is thinking that bands charge only 16 USD for an hour or two of livestream of a new performance.
But they do. Nothing I've watched was over that amount, and most had some production values put in - they staged it somewhere other than their own studios (DT has the advantage there), there were multiple cameras, etc.
I get how they would think 16USD to have a week to watch a show everyone said they wanted but that they can't release is fair, but they're missing out what's happening in the rest of the music market. Maybe all of their industry friends are content to just sit in their houses until they can play, but other bands have been hustling pretty hard to try this livestream thing out.
DT has been doing some cool stuff on other fronts, but it's all about communication. "Hey guys, we can't do a live show because James can't make it to our location, but we wanna release something for you, and what we earn from that will help us with production costs if we wanna do one down the road when it's safer to travel but not safe enough to tour", that would have been acceptable. Instead of "the band is releasing this product and you can buy it if you want, along with the other stuff you may have bought, or not".
Those bands are not DT and do not do business the same way Dream Theater does. You have to take that into account as well.
As I said, if it's business. Why would you spend more money doing all that, in a time of uncertainty, especially while recording a new album.
As much as we don't like it, the truth is all bands are businesses that make products for the labels. It's why some have created their own labels. So they won't have to answer to those executive people that have no understanding of the musicians involved.
There areany things involved. That's why bands hire Managers and a variety of other people to handle that stuff.
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It wasn't meant to be so literal as to all the lyrics, just those 2 words. From what I read here and on social media, it's like so many are never satisfied with whatever by the band. Maybe I am looking at it this way because I am a newish fan and haven't had past cool goodies. I have a DVD of this... But really, I am happy to support them.
I understand everyone's point, but just all quite negative and really most of the time lately, nothing's enough :huh:
The D/T thread. Not that positive. Or some.."its good, but"..Or James singing, or MM blah blah. Nothing feels like a Fan page, just an editorial. Maybe it's just the nature of people now....
I've been a fan for over 20 years and I agree. You're right.
And it's not about the specific point of this thread, it's the whole set.
I always thought that the surrounding environment would be irrelevant, as long as I was satisfied with the music / band. After all, I was able to have fun with Dream Theater these past few years, even with negativity as a big background noise.
But ... negativity won. It's not so fun anymore.
It is also not a matter of not being critical. I was / am a great critic of the TOT-BC&SL period, but even during that time, it was more fun to belong to the band's fan base than nowadays.
I can understand you.
I mean this cooperatively and as a friend and peer in this same fanbase: Then support those that are positive and that are having fun. I've bought four studio albums and three live albums from a band that isn't my go-to anymore. I've only seen one of the tours (but that's more circumstances than conscious decision), but I'm going out of my way to support a band to whose direction I'm not as closely aligned as I once was, primarily in recognition of all those years where I WAS aligned with them. Yet it seems when the time comes to sort of "cut" the negativity, there's crickets (or more negativity about the negativity).
I FULLY support the band doing this, even if I'm not going to participate. I don't know their management, but surely from all we've seen from this band over the years, they put thought into what they do, whether we agree with it or not. I hope they sell brazilians of these packages; FOR ME, who is a Luddite of sorts when it comes to streaming, it's not for me. I get the analogies to movies and whatnot, but the movies I stream are largely $3.00 and $4.00 and because I have a family (read: kids) to entertain. For me, the transcience of a live show is offset by the sweat, pushing, cameraderie, beer and memories of a live setting. I paid whatever to see The Astonishing live and I have nothing to show for it like a DVD or CD, but I have the memory of being with friends, of meeting new people, of sneaking around the venue trying to get a glimpse of the band as they left the arena with a couple members here.
TL;DR: I agree with Mora. ;D
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I FULLY support the band doing this, even if I'm not going to participate.
This just sums up my thoughts perfectly, so I don't think I need to say anything else :biggrin:
Btw, I'll just say I'd love to be able to buy access to the Q&A without paying for the show. That'd be quite an interesting thing and I bet more fans who already watched this would want to at least participate in the aftershow Q&A.
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TL;DR: I agree with Mora. ;D
Same.
Also, if you've been following Devin Townsend, you'll see someone who is trying to be creative and consistently does these paid live streams. I didn't watch his Christmas show yesterday, but I paid for a few of the others and he's always trying to do something unique. I don't have any issues with DT actually doing this stream, it's just not something I am interested in given how all these other bands have done something more unique for less or equal price. The fact I've seen some of this concert on youtube has no impact of my decision, I only didn't want to watch the whole thing so I could eventually buy it and I'll continue to just wait for that potential release.
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I FULLY support the band doing this, even if I'm not going to participate.
This just sums up my thoughts perfectly, so I don't think I need to say anything else :biggrin:
Btw, I'll just say I'd love to be able to buy access to the Q&A without paying for the show. That'd be quite an interesting thing and I bet more fans who already watched this would want to at least participate in the aftershow Q&A.
:lol
That's the point.
Also, I bet you anything the sound will be better on the Streaming Service they use. Most YouTube vids have pretty crappy quality. I say most because the Official Version of Distant Memories songs sound louder and more clearer than the fan uploaded ones. Pale Blue Dot is actually has 4K resolution on the YouTube vid, the others don't they're 1080 at max. And the fan uploaded songs are more quieter and I have to turn up my volume when listening from the Official Versions. I really noticed this with the Toms.
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I mean this cooperatively and as a friend and peer in this same fanbase: Then support those that are positive and that are having fun.
Oh.. I got it.
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Your movie analogy makes a crapload of sense.
No it doesn't. It's a concert, not a movie. I mean, if you go to a theater to watch a concert film, then fine.
But for most of us, it's asking us to watch a concert on our computer for a finite time. I'd be all over this if I could download it and watch when I want.
And saying this product isn't worth it isn't complaining.
I've seen plenty of concerts at movie theaters. Live at Luna Park, Through The Never, Linkin Park's Live In Texas... And I've also streamed brand new movies in my house for a finite time. I paid $20 so my kid could watch Trolls World Tour the day it came out. I had 48 hours to watch it once it started. We watched it twice. I feel like I got my money's worth.
Probably all of those cost more than what this does. And this gives you a week to watch it on demand!
And also, any PS3-5, and Xbox whatevers have built in browsers that you can stream on straight to your TV. A computer is not necessarily necessary.
But if it's not worth it to you, Tim, that's fine, that's up to you. It's totally worth it to me. I think of it as spending $16 to have a great night of entertainment with a few friends. I can't go out with my friends, and I sure as hell can't go to any concerts. This is a cheap night I'm going to be looking forward to.
That's cool people thinking it's worth it, but those of us that don't, it doesn't mean we are complaining. I've spent my fair share on the band but this doesn't cut it for me. Great for those that it does though.
Yeah, that's all I'm personally saying,.
And Kev, Always worth it for the kids! :)
If this was an actual release, I'd buy it no questions asked.
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I haven't purchased Distant Memories yet, but if this I&W concert was released, I'd buy that first, no question.
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I haven't purchased Distant Memories yet, but if this I&W concert was released, I'd buy that first, no question.
I wasn't wicked excited about it, so when that and Maiden's new live album came out at the same time, I bought the Iron Maiden one. But after listening to Distant Memories on Spotify, I thought it sounded great. So I know Santa is bringing me one tomorrow. ;D
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I just got it yesterday and I thought it was great! I’ve enjoyed Metropolis 2000: Scenes From New York since it was released, and I feel like this version SFAM was represented well. The performances are great. The production is great. It’s totally worth it.
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I haven't purchased Distant Memories yet, but if this I&W concert was released, I'd buy that first, no question.
I wasn't wicked excited about it, so when that and Maiden's new live album came out at the same time, I bought the Iron Maiden one. But after listening to Distant Memories on Spotify, I thought it sounded great. So I know Santa is bringing me one tomorrow. ;D
Yeah, the few vids I've watched on YouTube have been awesome. I will get it eventually.
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I saw that tour here in Toronto on April 04th 2019. These two years have been so crazy that the show is now a distant memory.
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Just wanted to make a slight correction to a point I've seen iterated so many places that does not correspond to reality;
Dream Theater didn't ever plan to release this on DVD/Blu-Ray. It was always intended for a release in a limited fashion done by a third party (i.e. not the band making the creative choices), similar to the Awake show done by Wowow in 1995, the SFAM show done by HOB in 2000, the Bucharest show in 2002, the Santiago show in 2005 etc etc etc. It was never about "not being good enough for release" that was the reason for it not making it to blu-ray, it was plain and simple a timing issue combined with the fact that this was not the intention in the first place.
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Just wanted to make a slight correction to a point I've seen iterated so many places that does not correspond to reality;
Dream Theater didn't ever plan to release this on DVD/Blu-Ray. It was always intended for a release in a limited fashion done by a third party (i.e. not the band making the creative choices), similar to the Awake show done by Wowow in 1995, the SFAM show done by HOB in 2000, the Bucharest show in 2002, the Santiago show in 2005 etc etc etc. It was never about "not being good enough for release" that was the reason for it not making it to blu-ray, it was plain and simple a timing issue combined with the fact that this was not the intention in the first place.
So it's likely that the Third Party were the ones to request the YouTube videos to be taken down, and not necessarily the band?
That's some great info though.
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Yeah, I think that was how I figured it anyway.
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Looks like I need to find a DVD one way or another.
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I saw it when it was on YouTube. I still bought it. They’re still my favorite band. Why not? I’ll see if I can download it. If I can’t, that’s fine.
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You know what sucks...
My card is declining on this site, yet it works everywhere else. WTF?!!....Sent them a message wondering what the hell it's about and going to hit up my bank tomorrow. Don't see why it's declining online but not when I go out to town.
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FYI, sometimes card issuers will block particular transactions if they are "coded" a certain way and sometimes card issuers will block particular vendors for the same reason.
I had a work credit card once that oddly wouldn't accept transactions at pharmacies.
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FYI, sometimes card issuers will block particular transactions if they are "coded" a certain way and sometimes card issuers will block particular vendors for the same reason.
I had a work credit card once that oddly wouldn't accept transactions at pharmacies.
Thanks for the info...
Found out why....Apparently, it's billing to Great Britain. I looked at the websites FAQ's and it says to call your bank if unsuccessful.
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I'll admit I saw Primus a few weeks back, but it was a one off laid back kind of affair which was pretty cool.
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Wasn't up on this show at the time, and didn't care much to follow it. I am sure I checked out the setlist at some point, but looking at it again... man that is a random first set.
I know what you mean but it was better in reality than it looks on paper. I remember seeing the set and not being too excited about it.. On the night though, I was blown away by it. I remember saying to my mate in the intermission that I would have been perfectly happy with that as the whole concert and would have felt I got my money’s worth but we still had I&W plus ACOS to come!
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Russell Allan ?
Wasn't he the singer in the abysmal Adrenaline Mob ? The most generic 'metal' band i've ever heard ?
Fuck that. I'd take Labrie on his worst day over that.
You should probably get out more, if Adrenaline Mob is "the most generic 'metal' band [you've] ever heard" How many have you heard? 3?
I can't see how any band can get more generic and 'video game menu music' than " Feel The Adrenaline "...
I like that :lol That's kind of the vibe I got when I listened to like half of one song of theirs years ago.
Anyway, this Budokan thing. I'd really consider paying for it, but I can't watch anything in peace until like 11pm. Oh well :(
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Currently, I plan to buy this. Yeah, I'd like a physical product that I could pop in and watch any time as well. But the reality is that, as said, the band do not own or control this product. And even if they did, it's their decision. This is not the ideal format for me, or how I generally like to consume music. But as someone who really wanted to see this tour, and circumstances did not permit it to happen, I look forward to seeing this. I wouldn't drop $16 for a stream on any sort of regular basis. But for the rare thing like this, it's still cheaper than a concert ticket.
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But the reality is that, as said, the band do not own or control this product.
:lol :lol :lol :lol
That just cracks me up. As people were pointing fingers at the band. Which is why I really wish us fans would really learn about the music industry and how it works. So we would understand, it's not the bands choice whether this broadcast gets a physical release from them.
I bought this, so I can relive that tour, at least some of the songs, in good audio. I had missed when it was posted on Youtube. And $40 isn't that much to me, to be paying for a Q&A after the show. I paid Devin Townsend like $30 for his Crappy Halloween Show. :lol
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This is in about an hour. I decided to take the plunge. We'll see how it goes.
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I have not received the link :huh:
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To those able to watch it, please post any new/cool info they reveal on the Q&A :metal
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I just started it, definitely a few minutes behind. Sounds quality is good, visual quality is not quite as good as I had hoped but definitely watchable.
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I just started it, definitely a few minutes behind. Sounds quality is good, visual quality is not quite as good as I had hoped but definitely watchable.
They're playing Breaking All Illusions now.
I largely agree with the above. Video is in 1080p for the most part, a few (likely) streaming issues here and there. Audio is solid.
James has had a few issues in the first set with his vocals. JP with a mistake in The Gift Music solo. Otherwise, great so far.
To those able to watch it, please post any new/cool info they reveal on the Q&A :metal
Sure.
I have not received the link :huh:
I got my link at ~2am US EST this morning.
edit: Intermission between sets is 'Viper King'. HAHA
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Definitely enjoying this. They're on Another Day right now, and I think James has sounded great. I don't understand the complaints against him year after year. This is just what he sounds like.
Band has been tight. Stream is totally worth it for me!
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Just caught up to The Bigger Picture and came back on Another Day. Will watch the whole thing later on when I can get better internet connection. Mine is buffering every other second, cheap hotspot connection as my data hit the limit.
I'll try and remember what they say during the Q and A
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So if I purchase this now I can watch it once only right in the given window?
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So if I purchase this now I can watch it once only right in the given window?
I think you get until January 6 to watch it on demand.
Dates
BROADCAST January 30th at 7:00pm EST
LIMITED VOD January 31st at 7:00pm EST - February 6th at 11:59pm EST
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Man, LaBrie is killing it on Learning To Live.
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ACOS. Hea-vy. Sounds so good. This song just gets better and better for me. Recently it surpassed Octavarium as my no 1.
Goodbye :'(
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ACOS. Hea-vy. Sounds so good. This song just gets better and better for me. Recently it surpassed Octavarium as my no 1.
Goodbye :'(
JP's tone in this era just adds another layer to ACOS' heaviness.
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The best representation of ACOS for me. When the Another Life section kicks in...with the lights cranked up. Goosebumps.
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That was great to reminisce...That bass was excellent.
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Man, JP's tone was something on that tour. Great show overall. James rebounded from my early show criticism.
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The guys didn't remember much anything about the show... :lol :lol
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The guys didn't remember much anything about the show... :lol :lol
Besides Rich Chycki's (sp?) daughter and her Japanese boyfriend.
A lot of banter and BBQ talk so far. And MM always counting time signatures, even in his sleep.
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John do you smoke? (didn't mention which John) (about BBQ)
JM: Yeah?
JR: Well What?
:lol :lol
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Did I miss how to ask a question?
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Did I miss how to ask a question?
You have to click the open chat button in the top right.
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MM just mentioned The Bigger Picture was from The Astonshing and JP had to correct him. And JR says he forgot what song it was originally while watching the show.
edit: JR mentions the "Lost Not Forgotten" archives to be released which includes this show streamed tonight plus other shows.
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Lost Not Forgotten Archives is the new Ytsejam
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Yes! Lost not Forgotten Archives coming soon-ish with Budokan as the first release! Successor to YtseJam
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Lost Not Forgotten :metal hyped
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I bet it'd be on Bandcamp.
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Yes! Lost not Forgotten Archives coming soon-ish with Budokan as the first release! Successor to YtseJam
Just the Images and Words portion of the show, per JP.
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This makes me hyped it might be possible we get a show from The Astonishing at least.
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This makes me hyped we get a show from The Astonishing at least.
I hope so. I like that album and want to see a DVD-level production of that album.
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This makes me hyped we get a show from The Astonishing at least.
I hope so. I like that album and want to see a DVD-level production of that album.
Yeah, the way they described how we haven't got a lot of stuff from them since MP left, and cool they acknowledge that they haven't been doing much on Ytsejam.
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JP acknowledges natural catastrophes follow the band because of the amount of notes (referencing a Mt. Etna eruption after a DT show in Sicily).
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This makes me hyped we get a show from The Astonishing at least.
I hope so. I like that album and want to see a DVD-level production of that album.
Yeah, the way they described how we haven't got a lot of stuff from them since MP left, and cool they acknowledge that they haven't been doing much on Ytsejam.
Ya. JP (I think) said there is soo much material during the Mangini era. Soo, maybe we will get some!!
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Lost Not Forgotten Archives is the new Ytsejam
:metal
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MM is such a nerd. lol.
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MM is such a nerd. lol.
I consider him a Musical Nerd. And him being in Dream Theater is perfect, as Dream Theater is considered the band for music nerds. :lol
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There' still a lot to do with the new album...and that's it.
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MM is such a nerd. lol.
I consider him a Musical Nerd. And him being in Dream Theater is perfect, as Dream Theater is considered the band for music nerds. :lol
..and endearing :heart
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Lost Not Forgotten Archives is the new Ytsejam
:metal
Neat-o. Thank you to all who are updating the info here.
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That's it, folks. A lot of stories, but no other major updates outside what's been mentioned already ITT.
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Maddi was clearly avoiding questions about the new album or JP's 8-string.
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Maddi was clearly avoiding questions about the new album or JP's 8-string.
I think its hard to establish intent here.
There were an absolute insane amount of questions and they probably did 9-10 total?
For the people who couldn't attend, not too many questions overall for a 1+ hour Q&A, but they elaborated on a lot and had some stories in between questions.
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Maddi was clearly avoiding questions about the new album or JP's 8-string.
Bummer. I suspect they (JP and JR mostly) don't want to announce a whole lot of stuff about DT15 with LTE3 still being promoted/hyped, so that they don't spread themselves too thin promoting two releases for the same-ish fanbase. Hope we get something in the following months, though.
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Maddi was clearly avoiding questions about the new album or JP's 8-string.
Bummer. I suspect they (JP and JR mostly) don't want to announce a whole lot of stuff about DT15 with LTE3 still being promoted/hyped, so that they don't spread themselves too thin promoting two releases for the same-ish fanbase. Hope we get something in the following months, though.
All we know about DT15 is that the drums are done, its coming out later this year, and they took in the least amount of ideas ahead of time for a DT album since MM joined (he brought it up).
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Maddi was clearly avoiding questions about the new album or JP's 8-string.
Bummer. I suspect they (JP and JR mostly) don't want to announce a whole lot of stuff about DT15 with LTE3 still being promoted/hyped, so that they don't spread themselves too thin promoting two releases for the same-ish fanbase. Hope we get something in the following months, though.
All we know about DT15 is that the drums are done, its coming out later this year, and they took in the least amount of ideas ahead of time for a DT album since MM joined (he brought it up).
I wish this meant this new album will be more jam driven, although I know it doesn't necessarily mean it.
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Yes, there were an insane amount of questions so you are right, it could be a coincidence that he didn't see any. But I wouldn't be surprised if there were in agreement before the Q&A to avoid specific questions about the new album.
Only thing they touched on was the writing process. The whole thing was enjoyable.
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Glad people enjoyed it, that tour was one of the best DT shows I’ve been to and, yes, JP’s tone was incredible on the night. La Brie was also in amazing form, not just his singing but it’s the most engaging I’ve seen him as a frontman.
Interesting to hear about LNF archives. Looking forward to what is coming but I will definitely be buying this show (hopefully physical media). Hope it was successful for them.
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Glad people enjoyed it, that tour was one of the best DT shows I’ve been to and, yes, JP’s tone was incredible on the night. La Brie was also in amazing form, not just his singing but it’s the most engaging I’ve seen him as a frontman.
That tour was indeed great - lot of explanations about the I&W songs, James as you said being more engaging, the little fun stuff like Enter Sandman and the Jacob Pastorius cover thrown in even in a click-oriented show.... given the format of the latest tour they didn't have much occasions to repeat it (after all with SFAM you can only pause once, after Through Her Eyes), but I hope this looser approach will come back for the next tour.
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I definitely enjoyed everything from the second set and beyond. I actually don't think I knew some of the songs on the first set, probably because I almost never listen to DT13 or the Astonishing. A few moments had me thinking I should give them another chance, but the heavier emphasis still paled in comparison to Images, etc.
Overall, fun night. It definitely did make me miss going to concerts.
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The LNF archives have got me interested
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Bought the ticket and missed the show :facepalm:
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Bought the ticket and missed the show :facepalm:
You should be able to watch the Limited VOD stream starting tonight until Feb 6, although I have no idea what "limited" means. Based on my research on the site, limited might refer to edited, although I'm curious why they would need to edit any of the show - and what parts?
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Bought the ticket and missed the show :facepalm:
You should be able to watch the Limited VOD stream starting tonight until Feb 6, although I have no idea what "limited" means. Based on my research on the site, limited might refer to edited, although I'm curious why they would need to edit any of the show - and what parts?
That’d be great! There was a major power outage in my area due to a heavy storm + landslides. Hopefully I get to watch something from the concert.
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Bought the ticket and missed the show :facepalm:
You should be able to watch the Limited VOD stream starting tonight until Feb 6, although I have no idea what "limited" means. Based on my research on the site, limited might refer to edited, although I'm curious why they would need to edit any of the show - and what parts?
It is limited in the sense that you can only watch up to Feb 6.
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Thanks for clarifying.
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The LNF archives have got me interested
It was about time, very happy with it! And really cool name! :tup
Anyone knows if JP clarified why they will release only the I&W part of this show on LNF?
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Saw the show, very cool. I enjoyed a lot the Astonishing parts and a Change of Seasons.
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I have just been watching it again. I missed the first half last night. What a show! It may be my favorite and it is far from my favorite set-list. I love the light show and no graphics on the screen. Its like a classic rock concert. It sounds real. You can hear all the drums - kind of echoey, like in a club. And the band seems relaxed and free and fun. James is killing it. AIA was so, so good and all the little extra or different ways some parts were played. Just fun. I would like to see more concerts just like this. I may be enjoying this more than the Distant Memories, :o and Images isnt even close to my top album. Just a good concert. I really cannot understand the gripes about James. :huh: He is sounding fantastic! :yarr
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https://youtu.be/ZQP1HDXcQD4
Is this the same day?
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https://youtu.be/ZQP1HDXcQD4
Is this the same day?
The guy who runs that channel needs urgent psychiatric help and should be ignored.
Other than that, it's amazing what an actual mix can do!
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https://youtu.be/ZQP1HDXcQD4
Is this the same day?
The guy who runs that channel needs urgent psychiatric help and should be ignored.
Other than that, it's amazing what an actual mix can do!
Just listened to the first three and a half minutes... Not James's strongest performance.
Had the version streamed at the weekend been firkled with? I had no interest in it myself but pleased people enjoyed it.
Edit: really is a curious mix, this. Wonder where it's from? (Listening to Surrounded as I type... this is painful.)
(And yes, it does look like that chap needs help! :lol)
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I did not see the video stream myself, and have no inside knowledge on this at all, so this is just my opinion but;
Nobody releases a live album that hasn't been touched up in some way. If they do, they call it "an official bootleg".
DT has the benefit of having recorded every show they've done for decades now. For the past ten years or so, it's multitrack protools sessions... Which means, if they need to fix a flub when they compile a live release, they can actually just go down in the archive and fetch a track from a show where it sounded good. This is why they recorded two shows for the Distant Memories tour, so what you hear is actually a compilation of the two nights, although most of it is the night that is most filmed. That also allowed them to get a multitude of alternate camera angles with a smaller camera crew...
Budokan was never even supposed to be a dvd/live release, it was meant for TV only. So the attention to detail wasn't AS HIGH as it would be on recording a show for a full on physical release like Distant Memories. The TV version had a very noticeable effect layer on James voice, and I would assume they wanted to fix that for the stream. How they did, dunno. But yeah, there's all the common tools everyone uses - alternate takes, overdubs, pitch correction. Let's not pretend that's not industry standard at this point...
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alternate takes, overdubs, pitch correction is extremely used on this production. BUT the production is very good. Remember that i watch this consert when it was on youtube in 2018 for couple of weeks. Didnt watch the stream either.
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https://youtu.be/ZQP1HDXcQD4
Is this the same day?
The guy who runs that channel needs urgent psychiatric help and should be ignored.
Other than that, it's amazing what an actual mix can do!
Just listened to the first three and a half minutes... Not James's strongest performance.
Had the version streamed at the weekend been firkled with? I had no interest in it myself but pleased people enjoyed it.
Edit: really is a curious mix, this. Wonder where it's from? (Listening to Surrounded as I type... this is painful.)
(And yes, it does look like that chap needs help! :lol)
Who knows? The intended it for release at one point, so probably.
I don't think you've seen many concert DVDs that have not had some corrections made in post, by the way... unless you're really into trading bootlegs or something.
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Sure. I kind of meant more than normal, I guess (whatever "normal" is, of course).
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Sure. I kind of meant more than normal, I guess (whatever "normal" is, of course).
Doubt it.
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Anyone knows if JP clarified why they will release only the I&W part of this show on LNF?
No idea, but hope they reconsider this. To me, set 1 is much more interesting and has songs that don't have any other official live versions (TBP, TGOM, ONW, HK). Getting both sets + ACOS would be ideal, but I don't think we need another stand alone live version of IAW (or SFAM).
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As with anything - cost is an important factor...
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I watched the stream this past Saturday and thought the mix was very good but it did have some ambient room sound, especially with the drums that did make it sound more "live" but everything could be clearly heard. I thought James was good overall but struggled here and there given some high note and range issues on the I&W set. When I saw the tour originally, I didn't care for how James tried to embellish certain parts of his vocal melody on the I&W material and he did that in this performance as well but it didn't seem so off putting as the night I saw them. I would still pay for this concert if it was made available as a digital download. I just like having as much of them live as I can get.
A few of you have mentioned the LNF archive and that they plan on putting the I&W portion of this concert there. Is there a URL for that and is there other material there now? Any reason for only the I&W portion?
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https://youtu.be/ZQP1HDXcQD4
Is this the same day?
The guy who runs that channel needs urgent psychiatric help and should be ignored.
Other than that, it's amazing what an actual mix can do!
Just listened to the first three and a half minutes... Not James's strongest performance.
Had the version streamed at the weekend been firkled with? I had no interest in it myself but pleased people enjoyed it.
Edit: really is a curious mix, this. Wonder where it's from? (Listening to Surrounded as I type... this is painful.)
(And yes, it does look like that chap needs help! :lol)
As someone who watched the stream, I concur on James. He struggled through several songs, settled in, and was doing quite well through the second set and encore.
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https://youtu.be/ZQP1HDXcQD4
Is this the same day?
The guy who runs that channel needs urgent psychiatric help and should be ignored.
Other than that, it's amazing what an actual mix can do!
Just listened to the first three and a half minutes... Not James's strongest performance.
Had the version streamed at the weekend been firkled with? I had no interest in it myself but pleased people enjoyed it.
Edit: really is a curious mix, this. Wonder where it's from? (Listening to Surrounded as I type... this is painful.)
(And yes, it does look like that chap needs help! :lol)
This guy from "The Ravenskill Rebel Militia" needs another occupation in life...he posted something really aggressive on the YT video of my interview with Petrucci. It seems his whole life revolves around looking for DT related content online, to bash them and say "Portnoy is king".
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https://youtu.be/ZQP1HDXcQD4
Is this the same day?
The guy who runs that channel needs urgent psychiatric help and should be ignored.
Other than that, it's amazing what an actual mix can do!
Just listened to the first three and a half minutes... Not James's strongest performance.
Had the version streamed at the weekend been firkled with? I had no interest in it myself but pleased people enjoyed it.
Edit: really is a curious mix, this. Wonder where it's from? (Listening to Surrounded as I type... this is painful.)
(And yes, it does look like that chap needs help! :lol)
This guy from "The Ravenskill Rebel Militia" needs another occupation in life...he posted something really aggressive on the YT video of my interview with Petrucci. It seems his whole life revolves around looking for DT related content online, to bash them and say "Portnoy is king".
He's not going to stop, he's obsessed. I'm already happy that this guy is apparently not a Nathan Gale-type fan.
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This guy from "The Ravenskill Rebel Militia" needs another occupation in life...he posted something really aggressive on the YT video of my interview with Petrucci. It seems his whole life revolves around looking for DT related content online, to bash them and say "Portnoy is king".
I feel that's your ordinary internet-lurker-DTdiedwithPortnoyLaBrieSucks type of fan.
The difference is, this guy has apparently enough free time to actually do shit. :lol
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For those of us who missed it, will they release this for download purchase or upload it on their YouTube channel?
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For those of us who missed it, will they release this for download purchase or upload it on their YouTube channel?
Seems unlikely. The band apparently has no control over this product so this is a one-time thing. I hope it will hopefully turn out as a bootleg release of sorts one day.
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Just started watching. This is really good so far. Since I missed this tour, I am really glad I get to see it this way now.
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The setlist is awesome, but the voice is terrible. I can't watch this DVD and can't believe that the band released it. It is the worse record of JLB.
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The setlist is awesome, but the voice is terrible. I can't watch this DVD and can't believe that the band released it. It is the worse record of JLB.
It's funny how there can be differing opinions about that. I dont care for the setlist that much as compared to others, but the performance from all the band made it great for me.
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I really like the first set and JLB sounds pretty good on the most part. The Bigger Picture is a great song for live settings. It would have been almost flawless but he fell flat on the "carried by the current on a slow and steady course" part. Gotta give him a pass though, it's hard to be pitch perfect night after night on a big tour. He also looked cooler on this show like he owned the stage. 🤘
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The setlist is awesome, but the voice is terrible. I can't watch this DVD and can't believe that the band released it. It is the worse record of JLB.
It's funny how there can be differing opinions about that. I dont care for the setlist that much as compared to others, but the performance from all the band made it great for me.
I agree. I thought he sounded good. On both sets. I thought he sounded better on Set 2 than Set 1. I just think DT's older style of music is kinder to his voice, as more of a classic metal wailer. For the first set, hearing him wail over all those dark, heavy, drop-tunned riffs... it just doesn't work for me as well as the color-splash that is Images and Words.
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The setlist is awesome, but the voice is terrible. I can't watch this DVD and can't believe that the band released it. It is the worse record of JLB.
It's funny how there can be differing opinions about that. I dont care for the setlist that much as compared to others, but the performance from all the band made it great for me.
I agree. I thought he sounded good. On both sets. I thought he sounded better on Set 2 than Set 1. I just think DT's older style of music is kinder to his voice, as more of a classic metal wailer. For the first set, hearing him wail over all those dark, heavy, drop-tunned riffs... it just doesn't work for me as well as the color-splash that is Images and Words.
Same here. I mean, is he perfect? No. Is he pitchy at times, does he miss notes, and does he go for lower harmonies than what is on the albums? Sure. But show me a performance of Bruce Dickinson or Dio at that age, and tell me those guys went for and hit every note and sounded just like the record 25 years later.
Overall, James sounded really good. The two spots that jumped out at me as being rough were TTT and Another Day, and those are impossible anyway. I have long said that those should have been retired from the live set years ago anyway (with the exception of this tour, obviously, since the entire album is what they were going for).
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I think James has it a lot harder than Bruce, anyway. Not that Bruce is in a great singer, but the types of vocal melodies he has to sing are a lot less demanding than James'. This might not be appreciated by people who don't really think about music in this way, but Bruce is often singing more melodically repetitive lines, and often with one of the guitar players playinhg the same exact melody as his vocal line. The classic Iron Maiden chorus is three or four notes repeated like eight times, most of which the audience are happy to sing whenever Bruce needs to catch his breath. James' melodies are a lot more intricate and less repetitive, there are far more opportunities where he'll stick out like a sore thumb for being off.
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The setlist is awesome, but the voice is terrible. I can't watch this DVD and can't believe that the band released it. It is the worse record of JLB.
It's funny how there can be differing opinions about that. I dont care for the setlist that much as compared to others, but the performance from all the band made it great for me.
I agree. I thought he sounded good. On both sets. I thought he sounded better on Set 2 than Set 1. I just think DT's older style of music is kinder to his voice, as more of a classic metal wailer. For the first set, hearing him wail over all those dark, heavy, drop-tunned riffs... it just doesn't work for me as well as the color-splash that is Images and Words.
Same here. I mean, is he perfect? No. Is he pitchy at times, does he miss notes, and does he go for lower harmonies than what is on the albums? Sure. But show me a performance of Bruce Dickinson or Dio at that age, and tell me those guys went for and hit every note and sounded just like the record 25 years later.
Overall, James sounded really good. The two spots that jumped out at me as being rough were TTT and Another Day, and those are impossible anyway. I have long said that those should have been retired from the live set years ago anyway (with the exception of this tour, obviously, since the entire album is what they were going for).
I used to say that no band asks of their singer what DT asks of James.
Anyone complaining about James on something like Distant Memories should listen to Maiden's latest album. Bruce is awful, practically distracting. And Dio did indeed struggle for a number of years...that is, until the final H&H tour where he was INCREDIBLE.
I watched a lot of the I&W&B show when it was still on youtube, and I'm sorry. James was unlistenable.
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I am a huge Maiden fan, but Bruce is nowhere near James, now or ever.
First off, James is not that much younger than Bruce, success just came later for him.
Bruce was in his early and mid 20s for most of Iron Maiden's best years, James was nearly 30 by the time Images and Words came out.
Bruce has gotten to play the fogey card since him came back for the reunion albums, but he was in his early 40s. For James, this age is his mid career.
James at 27 was a better singer than Bruce at 23. James at 40 was a better singer than Bruce at 35. James has spent his 40s and 50s singing for a band that still work on a demanding schedule.
Now James is 57 and Bruce is 62. Once again, James is singing better than Bruce no matter what you compare them on, but for James, the audience have always expected perfection, whereas Bruce has not been held to any standards or expectations since he decided to come back and save Iron Maiden from Blaze Bailey.
That is the difference between being part of a band that are driving forward and being part of a band that are just taking victory laps.
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Wow. Okay so this is now the back-handed dis Bruce thread. ;)
I'm a big fan of James; he's a huge part of why I even got into DT to begin with, and while he has his moments, I'm not as critical of him as many are. But the comparisons with Bruce aren't really fair or accurate. The last two times I saw DT, James spent a notable portion of the set behind the backline; the last two times I saw Bruce he literally acted out the entire set while singing the songs, for two straight hours. Point isn't that one is better than another, point is, they are Corvettes and Cadillacs. Apples and oranges.
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Since we're going off vocal ability, and not stage antics. James does an excellent job, I'd say, for how demanding the style of music he sings requires. I don't expect him to hit all those notes, but when he does, it's makes it that much more awesome, especially when it's a show where he is in the moment. I think we got that when I saw him in Denver, and in Albuquerque. Really wish I could've heard him sing that Images and Words set.
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Wow. Okay so this is now the back-handed dis Bruce thread. ;)
I'm a big fan of James; he's a huge part of why I even got into DT to begin with, and while he has his moments, I'm not as critical of him as many are. But the comparisons with Bruce aren't really fair or accurate. The last two times I saw DT, James spent a notable portion of the set behind the backline; the last two times I saw Bruce he literally acted out the entire set while singing the songs, for two straight hours. Point isn't that one is better than another, point is, they are Corvettes and Cadillacs. Apples and oranges.
Well, someone brought up Bruce and I responded.
As great as the Legacy Of The Beast tour was, and Bruce's "performance", he's awful on the live album and I'm somewhat surprised it was released with those vocals.
I remember the primary complaint when Death On The Road came out was that Bruce's vocals were not up to snuff. Personally I love that album, and I definitely don't agree, but on the new one...yikes.
OK, back to James.
It is shocking how much he struggled on the I&W&B tour. It's not even close to decent. he was much better on DoT tour.
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Stadler, if you think anything posted here was a backhanded dis of Bruce, you aren't paying attention to what we are saying. I chose the Bruce comparison because he is so well respected. And the point is simply that, as universally respected as he is, he isn't album-perfect either, and he pretty much the gold standard for a rock/metal tenor his age. I wouldn't go as far as Skeever, but nothing he said is disrespectful to Bruce either. The point is simply an apt comparison for James. And, yes, they are comparable.
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The setlist is awesome, but the voice is terrible. I can't watch this DVD and can't believe that the band released it. It is the worse record of JLB.
It's funny how there can be differing opinions about that. I dont care for the setlist that much as compared to others, but the performance from all the band made it great for me.
I agree. I thought he sounded good. On both sets. I thought he sounded better on Set 2 than Set 1. I just think DT's older style of music is kinder to his voice, as more of a classic metal wailer. For the first set, hearing him wail over all those dark, heavy, drop-tunned riffs... it just doesn't work for me as well as the color-splash that is Images and Words.
I think there’s something to this. On distant memories I was pretty harsh on how he sounded on PBD, especially considering how great he was at the show I attended. But once the album was released I loved his performance on nearly every track.
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The classic Iron Maiden chorus is three or four notes repeated like eight times, most of which the audience are happy to sing whenever Bruce needs to catch his breath. James' melodies are a lot more intricate and less repetitive, there are far more opportunities where he'll stick out like a sore thumb for being off.
Bon Jovi never has to worry to (try invain to) reach the notes of Livin' on a Prayer chorus. There's not a corresponding situation in DT's catalog. Can you imagine James pointing out the mic to the audience during the insane stanza of Take the Time or the "going for the stratosphere" part of Innocence Faded? :lol all he can do is avoid singing the chorus of Pull Me Under which isn't that difficult to begin with.
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Wow. Okay so this is now the back-handed dis Bruce thread. ;)
I'm a big fan of James; he's a huge part of why I even got into DT to begin with, and while he has his moments, I'm not as critical of him as many are. But the comparisons with Bruce aren't really fair or accurate. The last two times I saw DT, James spent a notable portion of the set behind the backline; the last two times I saw Bruce he literally acted out the entire set while singing the songs, for two straight hours. Point isn't that one is better than another, point is, they are Corvettes and Cadillacs. Apples and oranges.
But when it comes to expectations, James has it way worse. I've been a fan of Maiden as long as I've been a fan of DT (20 years for both bands), and I can honestly say that no one has really cared if Bruce can still hit the notes for the entirety of my Maiden fandom. Yet James is always under a microscope. You would not think that the singers were only 5 years apart in age based on how people treat their vocal performances.
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I would say part of the reason why JL is held to a higher standard is because of the type of music that DT plays, and perhaps the rest of the musicians he plays with. DT is known for being a precise band that performs complicated music with relative ease, Maiden not so much.
But when I think of other bands that musically are more comparable, the vocalists don't get an automatic pass either. I can remember hearing people complaining about Geddy Lee's vocals for at least the last 3 tours they did. And probably an even more obvious situation is with Queensryche - both with Tater and Todd. Tate's vocal abilities diminished dramatically over the years and the fans certainly didn't hold back. Even now with Todd - yeah, he can hit the notes, but I remember reading comments about him straining and the fact that the band is having to play shorter sets because he just doesn't have enough gas in the tank for longer shows. So it's not just JL - I think it depends to at least some degree on the genre of music.
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Well, the comment WAS intended to get a laugh. :) I know we have a lot of Bruce fans here.
Maybe it's me; I just don't make the comparisons like that. I think there are too many different variables excepting the stage craft is like saying "well, except for the difference in wheels/tracks, a train and a car are the same thing. Cars are better because you can go wherever you want". Well, yeah, but the wheels/track are a big part of that. I think Scotty is on to something with that. I've already said; personally, I don't get some of the criticisms of James either. He's got a tough job, and in the past I have agreed that there's really no singer in rock that is/was so regularly asked to do what he does: list the singers that that guy has covered, and covered WELL, over the years. Bono, Perry, Mercury, Dio, Hetfield, Dickinson, Gilmour, Gillan, Osborne, Walsh, John, Lee, Anselmo...
I agree with TAC; having seen what I saw in Hartford (and having the boot to prove I wasn't wasted/delusional) the live album was NOT Bruce's finest hour, even with THREE nights to choose from. Again, maybe it's me; I'm looking for different things from them not just as frontmen, but as singers. Then again, I never really understood the Maiden/DT comparisons either, even though I love both.
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I would say part of the reason why JL is held to a higher standard is because of the type of music that DT plays, and perhaps the rest of the musicians he plays with. DT is known for being a precise band that performs complicated music with relative ease, Maiden not so much.
But when I think of other bands that musically are more comparable, the vocalists don't get an automatic pass either. I can remember hearing people complaining about Geddy Lee's vocals for at least the last 3 tours they did. And probably an even more obvious situation is with Queensryche - both with Tater and Todd. Tate's vocal abilities diminished dramatically over the years and the fans certainly didn't hold back. Even now with Todd - yeah, he can hit the notes, but I remember reading comments about him straining and the fact that the band is having to play shorter sets because he just doesn't have enough gas in the tank for longer shows. So it's not just JL - I think it depends to at least some degree on the genre of music.
You're right and you bring up some good points.
I don't believe any other vocalist (maybe Geddy from Rush) has been touring so heavily and doing such long shows. That definitely takes a toll on the voice.
Now James has had his ups and downs as well, i remember that during the BC&SL tour as well as the DT12 one he was actually pretty good for his recent standards, at least based on the bootlegs i've followed.
Personally i feel like his performances have been less than great in the tours starting with the Astonishing, and each subsequent one. When i saw them on the last tour, he was sounding (and showing) tired and strained, even though his stage presence was actually pretty good.
I suppose aging is a factor as well and nothing he can do about. But i feel like his issues are coming up more often recently, and to be honest on Distance Over Time i felt it was the first time that i felt a bit disappointed by his performance on a studio album, where at parts his voice is drowned in effects and sounds strained.
Hopefully the lack of touring due to covid gives him some time to rest and work on his voice, because i really love him as a vocalist and i bet that all the criticism he gets must be annoying to say the least.
The performance on the Live In Japan stream was okay-ish, with some really audible pitch corrections and some cringe-worthy moments for me.
I really hope on the next album he sings more closely to his "comfortable" range, as his voice is incredibly warm when he doesn't try to reach the stratosphere.
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JLB has the unfortunate position of singing next to musical geniuses and while the guitars/keyboards/drums can be replaced or fixed, there's not much JLB to help his aging voice. I definitely feel bad for the flack he gets because of his situation. I think he does the best he can do, and for me, that's usually pretty damn good. Far from perfect, but that's ok. I'm less of a fan of his stage presence than his singing personally to go back to the Bruce comparison, but there's no doubt in my mind that JLB has it harder on the vocals than Bruce.
And someone mentioned Bon Jovi, he also struggles pretty badly live these days with his aging vocals too. It's really just natural IMO.
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And someone mentioned Bon Jovi, he also struggles pretty badly live these days with his aging vocals too. It's really just natural IMO.
Yeah, and that's all I was really saying above, for the most part. And I think most people get that.
And to the comparison with Tate that Scotty mentioned, while there is some truth to that, that is also a different case for a couple of reasons, one that isn't really fair to him and one that totally is:
First off, if Bruce was the gold standard, Tate was the platinum standard. In his prime, NOBODY could sing like him. Nobody. And it wasn't just the range, but how cleanly he sang the notes. It isn't fair, but he is always going to be compared to that by some.
But secondly, his problems later on weren't just natural loss of range. He lost range because he abused his voice and just didn't care. When asked about it, he was always very flippant about the substance abuse, the drinking, the smoking, and no attempt to do warmups or vocal coaching. And both on studio albums and live, you could hear and see him singing with really, really bad technique that compounded the problem. That criticism is COMPLETELY fair game.
And to bring it back to James on the latter point, that is where James is above reproach. For decades, he has gone to great lengths to take care of his voice and to get training. Whether you like his voice, hate it, or fall somewhere in between, you can't criticize him for the same things someone like Tate is open to.
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JLB has the unfortunate position of singing next to musical geniuses and while the guitars/keyboards/drums can be replaced or fixed, there's not much JLB to help his aging voice. I definitely feel bad for the flack he gets because of his situation. I think he does the best he can do, and for me, that's usually pretty damn good. Far from perfect, but that's ok. I'm less of a fan of his stage presence than his singing personally to go back to the Bruce comparison, but there's no doubt in my mind that JLB has it harder on the vocals than Bruce.
And someone mentioned Bon Jovi, he also struggles pretty badly live these days with his aging vocals too. It's really just natural IMO.
It seems that every "next best thing" on vocals has a fall that is not far at all from the top of their bell curve. Doesn't matter if it's LaBrie, Adele, Adam Lambert, Josh Groban, Celene Dion, or whoever...
It really just is natural. These guys sing incredibly demanding stuff, and no amount of raw physical talent can make up for it, especially when these guys are singing non-stop for years. It's no different than an athlete playing a sport.
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Oh yea for sure, singing like this for 100 nights a year every year is going to destroy your body. It's actually amazing that these guys can still perform at the level they do. It, to me, shows they do care about their vocals and are trying their best. That's all we can really ask out of anyone. Of course, that doesn't mean we can't chat about it and have our thoughts, even negative ones. Just got to try and keep it in perspective.
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It's interesting to me, as a general proposition, that the notion of vocal care isn't what it used to be. I have watched a couple videos over the last couple weeks, and guys you wouldn't think - for various reasons - were putting in the effort, really do. Mick Jagger was the one I thought of while reading through, but there are others.
The days of rolling off the two groupies, doing a line of blow, throwing on a pair of jeans and going to the arena to sing the gig are kind of over for those that want to do this for more than a couple years at a high level.
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I really hate comparing vocalists from different bands like Dickinson and LaBrie. They're two different guys in different bands that really the only common theme to their music is it's got distorted guitars.
LaBrie has been having a rough time in a live setting hitting the high notes on pretty much everything for a number of years now. Some of the fan audience videos I've listened to have been very difficult to listen to without cringing hard and often. Not because I think he sucks or anything, but you're asking a guy who's pushing 60 to hit notes that he was straining to hit live 20 years ago it's just not going to end well very often.
Again, I hate comparisons but I think Dickinson is better at masking his deficiencies with a combination of skipping the high parts and encouraging the audience to sing them instead (and they almost always oblige) and he also has a tendency to briefly move the microphone away from his mouth for some of those higher notes...he's gotten quite good at it in recent years and it does a good job of masking his lowered range. LaBrie, on the other hand, will still try to hit those high notes sometimes with occasionally cringeworthy results and I just think he's not quite as good at playing it off as Dickinson is. Dickinson has probably toured a lot more than LaBrie too, so he's had more time to hone his high-note avoidance skills.
None of this is criticism at all. It's just life. No vocalist is going to hold their range indefinitely, it's simply not physically possible as your body ages you will lose vocal range, it's inevitable for all vocalists. I give them BOTH a lot of credit for what they do. And I'm just glad they're still making music.
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And it is worth remembering an always important point and little taken into account in this type of discussion: biology.
Different people have different biological responses in similar situations. The pandemic makes this very clear to anyone who wants to see it.
It would be no different for the voice.
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I think the only one who has gotten better with age, or at least doesn't seem to have lost range with it, is Glenn Hughes. The man can sing :eek
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I think the only one who has gotten better with age, or at least doesn't seem to have lost range with it, is Glenn Hughes. The man can sing :eek
Taking into account the life he had, it is quite surprising that he is still alive. And still singing then, holy shit!
It's a miracle :lol
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I think the only one who has gotten better with age, or at least doesn't seem to have lost range with it, is Glenn Hughes. The man can sing :eek
Taking into account the life he had, it is quite surprising that he is still alive. And still singing then, holy shit!
It's a miracle :lol
:rollin
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Couple of singers who's voices have aged well:
- Mick Jagger
- Steven Tyler (though I haven't seen him in a couple years)
- Robin Zander (not perfect, but for all the touring that Cheap Trick does, it's amazing he can even talk)
- Jon Anderson (not sure he could do a 100-date tour, but I saw him right before the COVIDs, and he hit EVERY note)
- Paul McCartney
I'm giving an honorable mention to Robert Plant. He cannot do what he did in 1971, at least not on any sustained basis, but I actually think he's a better singer now, and has a richer, fuller voice. Plus, if "Celebration Day" is anything to go on, he's the poster boy for "Not as good as I once was, but once I'm as good as I ever was". His voice has really turned into an instrument in the last decade or so.
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I don't mind that singers' voices age. I'd rather them just embrace it rather than adjust certain parts of songs and whatnot to cope. Meatloaf is a great example. The dude's got like 10% of the vocal power he once had and has EMTs with oxygen on standby at every show, but the guy still goes out and just does his thing. He still rocks the house imo. I've seen his most recent three tours and never have I thought his vocal struggles in any way impacted my enjoyment.
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I don't mind that singers' voices age. I'd rather them just embrace it rather than adjust certain parts of songs and whatnot to cope. Meatloaf is a great example. The dude's got like 10% of the vocal power he once had and has EMTs with oxygen on standby at every show, but the guy still goes out and just does his thing. He still rocks the house imo. I've seen his most recent three tours and never have I thought his vocal struggles in any way impacted my enjoyment.
That was Paul Stanley for me, though I know most of the fanbase doesn't agree with me.
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I really hate comparing vocalists from different bands like Dickinson and LaBrie. They're two different guys in different bands that really the only common theme to their music is it's got distorted guitars.
LaBrie has been having a rough time in a live setting hitting the high notes on pretty much everything for a number of years now. Some of the fan audience videos I've listened to have been very difficult to listen to without cringing hard and often. Not because I think he sucks or anything, but you're asking a guy who's pushing 60 to hit notes that he was straining to hit live 20 years ago it's just not going to end well very often.
Again, I hate comparisons but I think Dickinson is better at masking his deficiencies with a combination of skipping the high parts and encouraging the audience to sing them instead (and they almost always oblige) and he also has a tendency to briefly move the microphone away from his mouth for some of those higher notes...he's gotten quite good at it in recent years and it does a good job of masking his lowered range. LaBrie, on the other hand, will still try to hit those high notes sometimes with occasionally cringeworthy results and I just think he's not quite as good at playing it off as Dickinson is. Dickinson has probably toured a lot more than LaBrie too, so he's had more time to hone his high-note avoidance skills.
None of this is criticism at all. It's just life. No vocalist is going to hold their range indefinitely, it's simply not physically possible as your body ages you will lose vocal range, it's inevitable for all vocalists. I give them BOTH a lot of credit for what they do. And I'm just glad they're still making music.
THIS.
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Just finished watching. Great production and experience overall :metal
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Damn I can't believe I missed it. I was going to buy and watch it a few days ago. Damn it damn it. I technically have an hour but wont be able to watch tonight.
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I don't mind that singers' voices age. I'd rather them just embrace it rather than adjust certain parts of songs and whatnot to cope. Meatloaf is a great example. The dude's got like 10% of the vocal power he once had and has EMTs with oxygen on standby at every show, but the guy still goes out and just does his thing. He still rocks the house imo. I've seen his most recent three tours and never have I thought his vocal struggles in any way impacted my enjoyment.
That was Paul Stanley for me, though I know most of the fanbase doesn't agree with me.
I saw Kiss live for the first time ever about 4 years ago. 1 row up from the floor seats at about the 10th row so close to the stage right where Gene Simmons stands for most of the show. He was probably 40' to 60' from where we sat. I was really impressed with how solid they sounded and the concert was amazing! I'm really not a huge Kiss fan and honestly didn't really care for them as a kid. They were just a few years before my time. They were getting huge when I was like 10 ('75-ish) and still listening to my parents' music.
They sold out the building that used to be called The Boston Garden, I think it seats 30,000 and it was packed, standing room only. The show was fucking flawless. Amazing stage presentation with all the flames and sparklers and explosions. A few times I was sure that my eyebrows were going to be gone when we got home, lol. But what really impressed me the most was Paul Stanley's vocals. He was...perfect. No pitch issues, no missed lyrics, no missed high notes, every song was on the money.
I came away from that show a humbled man, seriously. I never took Kiss seriously. Until I saw them live. It changed my entire perception of them as a group and as individuals. I mean Gene Simmons wears over 100lbs of costume up there and they played for over 2 hours with no big breaks or intermissions either and while he was definitely sweating his gonads off and breathing heavily, he never slowed down all night. He's 71 now so he was probably 66 or 67 when I saw them. Incredible energy for a guy who is almost old enough to be my father.
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I was listening to Eddie Trunk last year (or whenever Kiss's End of the Road tour) and there was a lot of chatter about a backstage vocalist double for Paul Stanley. Not sayin there was and not sayin there wasn't but Eddie has a solid reputation and tells it like it is.
Admittedly, I am not trying to accuse Paul of anything, just telling you what I heard.
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I'm a fan-boy no doubt; I've seen them more than any other band, but as someone who knows what they're talking about (you, being a working musician) that review pleases me, because it's something I've been saying for a while. The records are what the records are, but live you get two hours of honest effort and spectacle. Of all the times I've seen them, they've never phoned it in (well, Gene and Paul, anyway). I saw the show in Hartford with Def Leppard opening, and about a third of the way through, it was good not great, and Gene's flying rig didn't work. He got about four feet off the ground and got stuck. The roadie let him down and he went to the side of the stage and you could see he was visibly angry. For whatever reason the band kicked it into another gear, and the last half of the show was probably the best I've seen them. It's almost as if - and I'm obviously speculating here - they were afraid people weren't getting their money's worth and stepped it up a notch. There were ON FIRE.
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Couple of singers who's voices have aged well:
- Mick Jagger
- Steven Tyler (though I haven't seen him in a couple years)
- Robin Zander (not perfect, but for all the touring that Cheap Trick does, it's amazing he can even talk)
- Jon Anderson (not sure he could do a 100-date tour, but I saw him right before the COVIDs, and he hit EVERY note)
- Paul McCartney
I'm giving an honorable mention to Robert Plant. He cannot do what he did in 1971, at least not on any sustained basis, but I actually think he's a better singer now, and has a richer, fuller voice. Plus, if "Celebration Day" is anything to go on, he's the poster boy for "Not as good as I once was, but once I'm as good as I ever was". His voice has really turned into an instrument in the last decade or so.
Not heard him for a few years now but Sammy Hagar still sounded great on those 2 Chickenfoot albums.
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I was listening to Eddie Trunk last year (or whenever Kiss's End of the Road tour) and there was a lot of chatter about a backstage vocalist double for Paul Stanley. Not sayin there was and not sayin there wasn't but Eddie has a solid reputation and tells it like it is.
Admittedly, I am not trying to accuse Paul of anything, just telling you what I heard.
They've had those accusations in the past; even our man Derek has weighed in on that (he was a Kiss employee for a tour in the '90's). I take Ed with a grain of salt when it comes to Kiss. He's an Ace (and to a lesser extent, Peter) guy in the Kiss wars, and has repeatedly, and in my view, unfairly, called out both Paul and Gene for their decision-making when it comes to Tommy and Eric. I saw them in MSG, on the reunion tour, and they were absolutely singing. I saw them in New Haven, third row, on the last full original tour and they were absolutely singing. They were singing on the tour I mentioned above (it's hard to describe, but when Paul flew out to the center of the amphitheater, you could tell). The only criticism I've ever had of them on that topic was the last tour with Peter (Ace had already left) where they paired up with Aerosmith, Peter was ABYSMAL. He was horrible, phoning it in, and I swear to this day that there was a drummer behind the curtain playing for him.
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I know the stream was almost 2 weeks ago now, but just chiming in to say that I really enjoyed it. I felt really excited after seeing it and it brought back great memories of that tour. I agree with those saying that James mostly sounded good but there were a few obvious rough parts. I'd love for them to release the whole set someday as something I could own.
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The poster from the streamed concert arrived yesterday. Totally forgot about it, so it was a pleasant surprise. Looks really nice.