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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: Schurftkut on December 14, 2020, 11:52:52 AM
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jordan and tony posted same style photos with L and E, so only the T is missing...
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JP just posted with “3!”
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Portnoy dragging his feet.
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Portnoy is still sleeping
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Ha I just saw JP's tweet and was like whaaaat!
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Portnoy dragging his feet.
It's only 1:20pm. MP should be awake in 4-5 hours.
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:omg:
YAY!!!!!
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I'm freaking out
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Portnoy is still sleeping
Maybe this one is with the other Mike
:facepalm: :rollin
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Portnoy is still sleeping
Maybe this one I with the other Mike
:facepalm: :rollin
Maybe it’s just keyboards, bass, and guitar, no drums!
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Portnoy is still sleeping
Holy crap, I was wondering what was up with JP's post.
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That would be the only good news for today but damn that makes the day a lot better
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Fitting that the only missing member is the one we’re not 100% sure on.
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Fitting that the only missing member is the one we’re not 100% sure on.
I think historically Portnoy has always been the one who'd be the most down for an LTE reunion, personally... He loves his multiple projects and knows the demand for it has been there for ages.
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If this is LTE3 with MM, I think MP will never speak to JP again :lol
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Fitting that the only missing member is the one we’re not 100% sure on.
I think historically Portnoy has always been the one who'd be the most down for an LTE reunion, personally... He loves his multiple projects and knows the demand for it has been there for ages.
Totally. And it's most likely Portnoy. And if it is, I'm most likely buying it. But since MM took the spot in DT, there's been lots of fan chat about if he would also be in LTE if they did something again. Etc. I just think it's fitting that the one missing member is the only one we didn't know 100% would be the same.
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:metal
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YES!
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:metal
:rollin
Calm down, it will be MP for sure!
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Of course Lars isn't even wearing the mask properly. :biggrin:
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At this point I'm gonna be disappointed if it's NOT Lars.
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At this point I'm gonna be disappointed if it's NOT Lars.
LOL
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:rollin
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LTE was Mike's project. I don't think they'd do something under that name if he wasn't involved.
That being said.... We'll just have to wait a few hours to see if he posts something of a similar nature. He probably isn't awake yet.
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:tup
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That being said.... We'll just have to wait a few hours to see if he posts something of a similar nature. He probably isn't awake yet.
It's 3:30pm in New York... how late does this guy sleep in? :lol
I'm imagining they left Mike for last so he can be the one to put out the formal announcement / press release.
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He's claimed Dream Theater as "[his] baby" in his leaving statement, so never say never.
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To this day the 08 show in Downy is the single best show I've seen. While I'm certainly interested in new music, I'm more interested in being able to go somewhere and see them play again. That's one I'd travel to hell to see if it were the only option. That said, Mangini would be a dealbreaker. Thankfully there's no chance in hell that would happen. It's Portnoy or it's nobody.
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Imagine Portnoy waking up in 4 hours from his nap, thinking FUCK weren't we supposed to tease that LTE stuff today, I bet John is sooooper pissed... Gets up, looks on his phone lying in the kitchen... 47 missed calls by John Petrucci, 13 by Jordan Rudess, none by Tony Levin (doesn't give a shit)
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Holy crap, I saw JP's and JR's pics and came here to see if anyone mentioned it. Didn't see Tony's pic, bit Holy crap this makes me so excited.
LTE3 coming out over two decades since the second one....man, what a come back!!! I wonder if they actually have recorded it yet. Has MP recently hinted at doing anything super secret?!
Also... new Transatlantic and Liquid Tension Experiment next year...
(https://e.lvme.me/ohzrd5t.jp)
-Marc.
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I think the pandemic masks is a good indication that the band have recorded it in lockdown. Could be wrong but that's what I read into that.
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And MP just tweeted his. He is awoken!
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And MP just tweeted his. He is awoken!
HAHAHA
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Spinning Paradigm Shift in celebration.
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YESSSSSSSS!
-Marc.
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Fuck. Yes.
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I'm excite.
I wonder if MP was just behind or he/they planned him being late to bump the suspense?
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All things considered, this has been an AMAZING year: new LTE announced, Petrucci and Portnoy working together again, new Transatlantic, new DT live album, new Derek Sherinian album, AC/DC coming back...I know, covid sucks and we didn't have concerts for 9/12 of the year, but from a musical standpoint, it wasn't a bad year at all. I'm excited for LTE!!!!
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Liquid Tension Experiment 2 is probably in my Top 5 albums of all time and Liquid Tension Experiment 1 isn't far behind. This should be awesome, hopefully!
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Bearing in mind that the last time I listened to LTE MP was still part of DT, I can't say that I really care about the project. But....
BTW, it is a nice marketing. :lol
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Huh. Who woulda thunk it.
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Trying not to build up unrealistic expectations here... but LTE and LTE2 is what got me into the whole progressive music scene in the first place, I love those albums to death.
Soooo happy right now!!!! :heart :heart ;D ;D
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Oddly, I'm kind of fired up about this. I can't say I listen to the first two all that much but given where we are, and all that's happened since they came out, this is something to look forward to. And I've heard Bart rave about the show a couple times, so it will be one I go see as well, for sure.
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Happy to see them making music together again.
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This is awesome!!!
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Oddly, I'm kind of fired up about this. I can't say I listen to the first two all that much but given where we are, and all that's happened since they came out, this is something to look forward to. And I've heard Bart rave about the show a couple times, so it will be one I go see as well, for sure.
I was really excited to hear about MP and JP working together on JPs last album but truthfully I haven’t even bothered to check it out yet. But LTE 3 seems like a more exciting proposition.
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Not sure I need an LTE3 but this was a really fun way to announce it. Hopefully it'll be as awesome as the first two
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Great news. The first two are still totally awesome and getting a third is quite a treat. :hat :hat
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Trying not to build up unrealistic expectations here... but LTE and LTE2 is what got me into the whole progressive music scene in the first place, I love those albums to death.
Soooo happy right now!!!! :heart :heart ;D ;D
Same here, am excite
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Cool...Should be interesting to see what these guys come up with. Especially since, JR has new toys and sounds to mess with.
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exciting news, although it's been 22 years? since they composed anything together which sometimes that long of a break can impact the comparison to the original work.
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To this day the 08 show in Downy is the single best show I've seen. While I'm certainly interested in new music, I'm more interested in being able to go somewhere and see them play again. That's one I'd travel to hell to see if it were the only option.
I still kick myself for not going to that show. The Downey Theatre is less than 13 miles from where I lived at that time.
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This made even me enter and post in the DT sub, now that dosen't happen often these days. :facepalm:
Nvm i'm dum dum. Awesome news! :metal
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To this day the 08 show in Downy is the single best show I've seen. While I'm certainly interested in new music, I'm more interested in being able to go somewhere and see them play again. That's one I'd travel to hell to see if it were the only option.
I still kick myself for not going to that show. The Downey Theatre is less than 13 miles from where I lived at that time.
Not to rub it in, but yeah, you did miss out! Why'd you skip it?
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MP posted this on IG in August, I assume it's all recorded already:
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/763929947021770772/788106237509369886/IMG-20200805-WA0002.jpg)
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That is fucking awesome!! :lol :lol
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MP posted this on IG in August, I assume it's all recorded already:
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/763929947021770772/788106237509369886/IMG-20200805-WA0002.jpg)
Wow, excellent!!! I was prepared to wait a little more, but better this way, no doubt!
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:lol :lol
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Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
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I want more songs like Acid Rain where they each just go off on 11 for the entire song. :metal
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Wait, wait, wait.
So,
no Lars?
Seriously, this is AWESOME news! Long overdue!
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I want more songs like Acid Rain where they each just go off on 11 for the entire song. :metal
I am sure there will be a few like that, but great melodies are what make the difference. The first two had playing off the charts by all four, but the great melodies throughout were what made the difference.
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Never really cared much for LTE other than a cool side project. I didn't even bother to get those albums until, I dunno, 5-6 years ago.
Still, this is cool.
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Did not see this one coming at all. I assume it was also written and recorded at DTHQ.
I was never in the "make LTE 3" camp, but now that it's actually happening, I'm for it. Just hope that there's more carefully composed stuff vs the "let's just jam, record it and make a track out of it" approach they used for some of their music.
Anyway, looks like we'll get new DT and LTE in 2021 :tup
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Major contender for Post of the Year :lol :lol
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Liquid Tension Experiment 2 is probably in my Top 5 albums of all time and Liquid Tension Experiment 1 isn't far behind. This should be awesome, hopefully!
I'm right there with you, LTE2 blew and stills blows my mind, I love this album! I'm super excited about the third one..just let it rip man,I hope they go crazy with long, heavy, progressive songs..and let us hope maybe a tour and a live show DVD/Blu-Ray?! :coolio
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Let's just be grateful that we're getting an album. None of us have the right to demand that a particular artist/group does anything, and how that thing should turn out. But now this is happening, I'm really excited for it.
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Long overdue!! :tup
Seriously awesome news! :hefdaddy
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This is probably the only instrumental group that truly excites me with the prospect of a new album. This is an insta-buy for me. :hat
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Both MP and JP have now posted the full picture! I love that it's still as weird and low-budget as the pictures/covers for the first two albums :lol
(https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/131890320_3930314087020574_6659964889525190921_o.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=foBfbaozFgYAX-FSBGw&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=e89fb53f8fa82c9696f3dbbf68329952&oe=5FFECC48)
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Honestly, just getting another full album of JP on guitar is enough to get me stupidly excited.
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Both MP and JP have now posted the full picture! I love that it's still as weird and low-budget as the pictures/covers for the first two albums :lol
(https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/131890320_3930314087020574_6659964889525190921_o.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=foBfbaozFgYAX-FSBGw&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=e89fb53f8fa82c9696f3dbbf68329952&oe=5FFECC48)
It occurred to me yesterday that they may have actually already recorded this. Since it looks like they are all together for this picture, that may be the case.
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It occurred to me yesterday that they may have actually already recorded this. Since it looks like they are all together for this picture, that may be the case.
Yeah it's possible they recorded it back in August when MP posted a teaser of sorts on an Instagram story.
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I assume that it's either completely recorded or mostly recorded with just a few dubs being needed. Who knows how the mixing/mastering is coming though.
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Both MP and JP have now posted the full picture! I love that it's still as weird and low-budget as the pictures/covers for the first two albums :lol
(https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/131890320_3930314087020574_6659964889525190921_o.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=foBfbaozFgYAX-FSBGw&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=e89fb53f8fa82c9696f3dbbf68329952&oe=5FFECC48)
And yet, probably the picture was taken with a high-end camera.
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I didn't spend much time listening to LTE, but a new album coming out is definitely a cultural event, so I'm very excited to have a new one.
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I'm not a huge fan of the first two, but yeah, this is quite an event. I will be checking it out. :tup
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Bold statement time: I still think both LTE albums are better than every Dream Theater studio album not named Images and Words, Awake, Scenes from a Memory or Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence.
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CTTE with LTE and TA
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Bold statement time: I still think both LTE albums are better than every Dream Theater studio album not named Images and Words, Awake, Scenes from a Memory or Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence.
I’d rank them above everything since FII at least.
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Bold statement time: I still think both LTE albums are better than every Dream Theater studio album not named Images and Words, Awake, Scenes from a Memory or Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence.
There's too much "filler" stuff on both LTE albums to make them better that DT's (imo, of course) and there's obviously different approaches for both bands (crazy instrumentals/improvs vs songs with vocals) to even compare them well.
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I can't think of a single song on either LTE album that I would call filler.
Note: not liking a song does not automatically make it filler. ;)
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I can't think of a single song on either LTE album that I would call filler.
Note: not liking a song does not automatically make it filler. ;)
Three Minute Warning.
(I know this is all subjective anyway ;D)
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I can't think of a single song on either LTE album that I would call filler.
Note: not liking a song does not automatically make it filler. ;)
Three Minute Warning.
(I know this is all subjective anyway ;D)
The more jam orientated songs. I much preferred the more "composed" tracks.
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Awesome news. I put LTE1 and LTE2 above half of DT's discography, so no high expectations or anything.
Having said that, I don't know what to expect. All the band's equipment is different, their writing has changed a bit over 20 years, but at the same time, Petrucci and Rudess working with Portnoy for the first time in 10 years could lead to a lot of fresh ideas, and MP and JP had a warm up with Terminal Velocity.
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I'm not a huge fan of the first two, but yeah, this is quite an event. I will be checking it out. :tup
This.
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Bold statement time: I still think both LTE albums are better than every Dream Theater studio album not named Images and Words, Awake, Scenes from a Memory or Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence.
Throw in Train of Thought with that list and you got yourself a deal. ToT is at least equal to the LTE albums to me. Really, much of Scenes, and Six Degrees and ToT, bring that LTE energy where albums since do not.
I like jams, and while I enjoy it some times, Three Minute Warning does drag down the first LTE album a little, but the rest is solid, and I think LTE2 is untouchable. Both are still more enjoyable listens for me than most of DT's output after ToT/8vm.
I'm hoping for a double disc, either a double album, which would be fantastic, or a single album with a bonus disc with extra jams.
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Mangini must be getting more nervous by the day.
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Mangini must be getting more nervous by the day.
Never say never, but I'm confident the band is happy with the way things are. JLB and Myung don't want Portnoy back, and Petrucci and Rudess can satisfy their artistic itches with a longtime friend and (ex) bandmate without having to face all the headaches that the last years of Portnoy's tenure would bring.
I repeat, never say never, but my odds are on the band being in its final lineup until some unexpected retirement comes along.
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Mangini must be getting more nervous by the day.
Never say never, but I'm confident the band is happy with the way things are. JLB and Myung don't want Portnoy back, and Petrucci and Rudess can satisfy their artistic itches with a longtime friend and (ex) bandmate without having to face all the headaches that the last years of Portnoy's tenure would bring.
I repeat, never say never, but my odds are on the band being in its final lineup until some unexpected retirement comes along.
Not trying to detour this thread, and correct me if I'm wrong, but from my understanding the only one who seems to be indifferent or even against MP re-joining is JLB.
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That's what's great about Myung's silence. Anyone can interpret into it what they want.
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That's what's great about Myung's silence. Anyone can interpret into it what they want.
JLB is the only one who's had no contact with MP since the split, we know that.
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Wait, wait, wait.
So,
no Lars?
Seriously, this is AWESOME news! Long overdue!
:lol I saw someone on FB say "No Mangini?...skip." :rollin
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Mangini must be getting more nervous by the day.
Never say never, but I'm confident the band is happy with the way things are. JLB and Myung don't want Portnoy back, and Petrucci and Rudess can satisfy their artistic itches with a longtime friend and (ex) bandmate without having to face all the headaches that the last years of Portnoy's tenure would bring.
I repeat, never say never, but my odds are on the band being in its final lineup until some unexpected retirement comes along.
Not trying to detour this thread, and correct me if I'm wrong, but from my understanding the only one who seems to be indifferent or even against MP re-joining is JLB.
There's also Mike Mangini :lol
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I thought he didn't get along with Myung either...
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Mangini must be getting more nervous by the day.
Never say never, but I'm confident the band is happy with the way things are. JLB and Myung don't want Portnoy back, and Petrucci and Rudess can satisfy their artistic itches with a longtime friend and (ex) bandmate without having to face all the headaches that the last years of Portnoy's tenure would bring.
I repeat, never say never, but my odds are on the band being in its final lineup until some unexpected retirement comes along.
Meh. Petrucci put out that statement to clarify that Portnoy is definitely NOT coming back to Dream Theater.
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I thought he didn't get along with Myung either...
Whatever issues were between them appear to have been mended since MP commented that they spent New Years eve together last year.
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Mangini must be getting more nervous by the day.
Nope
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You know what would be really fucking cool is if Dream Theater did reunite with Mike Portnoy and they made a big progressive metal double-concept album with Mangini and Portnoy both on the album, followed by a tour of "An Evening With Dream Theater" where they do 2 sets of 1 hour each playing all the Portnoy-era stuff with Portnoy and the Mangini-era stuff with Mangini, followed by a huge 45-minute encore where they have both drummers on the stage.
If the last decade or so has taught me anything it's that you should never say 'never' :hat
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To this day the 08 show in Downy is the single best show I've seen. While I'm certainly interested in new music, I'm more interested in being able to go somewhere and see them play again. That's one I'd travel to hell to see if it were the only option. That said, Mangini would be a dealbreaker. Thankfully there's no chance in hell that would happen. It's Portnoy or it's nobody.
I was there too! We shoulda hooked up! Helluva show in a nice small(ish) venue! SOOOO excited to see the LTE3 pop up on my FB page!!!!!!
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I don't expect that they are imminently getting back together, but two thoughts:
- one, I don't know him, I've never met him, but Mangini strikes me as a practical guy. I would expect him to handle any changes like Bruce Kulick did with Kiss. You don't enter a band like that with the history they've had, obliviously.
- two, there are too many variables to play with. Three of the four are socially connected again, but while I'm now friends with my ex-wife I don't want to marry her again. Conversely, it's not out of the question that Mangini is tired of bad drum sounds, answering the question, and not being able to teach. Who knows what goes on in the hearts of men? I never in a million years thought I would ever see Kiss IN makeup with the four original guys, and I did, four times. I got into Yes with 90120, and never in a million years thought I would see them with the classic Anderson/Wakeman lineup, but I did. Page/Plant. Ozzy Sabbath. Asia with John Wetton. Van Halen with Dave. And I can name as many that I would have expected to reform, and haven't (or missed the opportunity). It's impossible to forecast.
I'm going to live in the LTE3 moment and enjoy what I get, musically.
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The more jam orientated songs. I much preferred the more "composed" tracks.
I do as well for the most part, but I can appreciate the jam tracks for what they are, and Three Minute Warning is a beast of a jam. I love that they left it as is and did zero editing to it.
Bold statement time: I still think both LTE albums are better than every Dream Theater studio album not named Images and Words, Awake, Scenes from a Memory or Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence.
Throw in Train of Thought with that list and you got yourself a deal. ToT is at least equal to the LTE albums to me. Really, much of Scenes, and Six Degrees and ToT, bring that LTE energy where albums since do not.
I like jams, and while I enjoy it some times, Three Minute Warning does drag down the first LTE album a little, but the rest is solid, and I think LTE2 is untouchable. Both are still more enjoyable listens for me than most of DT's output after ToT/8vm.
I'm hoping for a double disc, either a double album, which would be fantastic, or a single album with a bonus disc with extra jams.
I go back and forth on which LTE album I prefer. The songs are stellar on both, but the first has a production that is a bit warmer and more organic, at least to my ears. Then again, the second has Chewbacca, which somehow has become my favorite LTE song. I am still more than pleased with both. :metal :metal
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“Spring” release date and teaser trailer!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRvCuDIMIzo&feature=youtu.be
Some words and a new pic of the band here:
https://m.facebook.com/#!/story.php?story_fbid=5215045421846391&id=116713035013014
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“Spring” release date and teaser trailer!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRvCuDIMIzo&feature=youtu.be
Some words and a new pic of the band here:
https://m.facebook.com/#!/story.php?story_fbid=5215045421846391&id=116713035013014
Wow, that teaser is intense and heavy! I can't wait to hear what Jordan and John can do outside of DT, and with Mike and Tony again. I hope there are some of more uplifting and major-scale sounding pieces as well. Cannot wait to hear and see more!
A spring release is good, right between Transatlantic and Big Big Train for me!
-Marc.
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“Spring” release date and teaser trailer!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRvCuDIMIzo&feature=youtu.be
Some words and a new pic of the band here:
https://m.facebook.com/#!/story.php?story_fbid=5215045421846391&id=116713035013014
Wow, that teaser is intense and heavy! I can't wait to hear what Jordan and John can do outside of DT, and with Mike and Tony again. I hope there are some of more uplifting and major-scale sounding pieces as well. Cannot wait to hear and see more!
A spring release is good, right between Transatlantic and Big Big Train for me!
-Marc.
I’d bet money (if I were that kind of guy) that this clip is the lead track in the vein of Paradigm Shift or Acid Rain.
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https://lotsofmuzik.com/liquid-tension-experiment-announce-new-album/
(https://i.ibb.co/VY8pT4r/131633441-5215045378513062-1122710786454744078-o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7tFNKm8)
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https://lotsofmuzik.com/liquid-tension-experiment-announce-new-album/
WOOOOOOHOOOOO!! Hells yeah bitches! :metal :metal :metal
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I bet they recorded it at DTHQ and Jimmy T engineered the album.
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“Spring” release date and teaser trailer!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRvCuDIMIzo&feature=youtu.be
Some words and a new pic of the band here:
https://m.facebook.com/#!/story.php?story_fbid=5215045421846391&id=116713035013014
Holy crap that teaser!
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Now... THAT'S A TEASER!!! :omg: :metal :hefdaddy
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“Spring” release date and teaser trailer!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRvCuDIMIzo&feature=youtu.be
Some words and a new pic of the band here:
https://m.facebook.com/#!/story.php?story_fbid=5215045421846391&id=116713035013014
Wow, that teaser is intense and heavy! I can't wait to hear what Jordan and John can do outside of DT, and with Mike and Tony again. I hope there are some of more uplifting and major-scale sounding pieces as well. Cannot wait to hear and see more!
A spring release is good, right between Transatlantic and Big Big Train for me!
-Marc.
I’d bet money (if I were that kind of guy) that this clip is the lead track in the vein of Paradigm Shift or Acid Rain.
This was my thought as well. I wonder how much music they'll release. Is it too much to hope for a double album? :rollin
-Marc.
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Definitely liked what I was hearing on the teaser
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“Spring” release date and teaser trailer!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRvCuDIMIzo&feature=youtu.be
Some words and a new pic of the band here:
https://m.facebook.com/#!/story.php?story_fbid=5215045421846391&id=116713035013014
Wow, that teaser is intense and heavy! I can't wait to hear what Jordan and John can do outside of DT, and with Mike and Tony again. I hope there are some of more uplifting and major-scale sounding pieces as well. Cannot wait to hear and see more!
A spring release is good, right between Transatlantic and Big Big Train for me!
-Marc.
I’d bet money (if I were that kind of guy) that this clip is the lead track in the vein of Paradigm Shift or Acid Rain.
This was my thought as well. I wonder how much music they'll release. Is it too much to hope for a double album? :rollin
-Marc.
Well, they've never done double albums so, it's quite possible.
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The drums sound like REAL drums! I'm sold!
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Double album: CD1 - composed songs and CD2 - jam songs. :metal
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Double album: CD1 - composed songs and CD2 - jam songs. :metal
Disc 1 : Liquid Tension
Disc 2 : Experiment.
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“Spring” release date and teaser trailer!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRvCuDIMIzo&feature=youtu.be
Some words and a new pic of the band here:
https://m.facebook.com/#!/story.php?story_fbid=5215045421846391&id=116713035013014
Yea, now we're talking! That got my juices flowing! :metal :metal
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Double album: CD1 - composed songs and CD2 - jam songs. :metal
It wouldn’t shock me to get something like Three Minute Warning part 2 as a side long jam on a second disc. Seems like the kind of thing they would do.
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I bet they recorded it at DTHQ and Jimmy T engineered the album.
They did lol. Well, at least Jimmy T said on an Instagram story he engineered the album.
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Looking at that photo, I'm thinking JP should be in the next Thor movie. I think he could lift that hammer. :lol
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I really hope there's a track titled "Chris & Kevin Face The Music" so we can complete the trilogy.
-Marc.
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is it ok if i post an old recording of me playing Hourglass on piano?
https://youtu.be/JHWEuM7GW6M
i really hope there's one or two duets from petrucci-rudess on the new album as well.
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Instrumental music isn't really my thing but I literally exclaimed "ooof!" at the end of the trailer. Good stuff!
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That teaser was sexy! :hefdaddy
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That teaser was sexy! :hefdaddy
Sexy? That teaser was like being on a mechanical bull with Brandi Love in the Cowboy Position and hanging on for 30 seconds.
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That teaser was sexy! :hefdaddy
Sexy? That teaser was like being on a mechanical bull with Brandi Love in the Cowboy Position and hanging on for 30 seconds.
So, terrifyingly arousing? Yeah that sounds right.
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YES
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That teaser was sexy! :hefdaddy
Sexy? That teaser was like being on a mechanical bull with Brandi Love in the Cowboy Position and hanging on for 30 seconds.
So, terrifyingly arousing? Yeah that sounds right.
Had a good laugh! :lol
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Don't know what to think of this yet to be honest. I still have even listened to Petrucci's solo album.
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is it ok if i post an old recording of me playing Hourglass on piano?
https://youtu.be/JHWEuM7GW6M
i really hope there's one or two duets from petrucci-rudess on the new album as well.
Very cool! I love that track. Perfect ending to LTE2.
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Stop me if you've heard this one.
An octopus, a wizard, a bear, and a stick man walk in to a recording studio.
Will Chris & Kevin FACE THE MUSIC?!?!?!?!
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There are more notes in that trailer than there are in most albums
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That teaser sounds mighty promising.
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“Spring” release date and teaser trailer!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRvCuDIMIzo&feature=youtu.be
That sounded pretty badass! Best comment in the comments section:
"After hearing this teaser I’m sure I am now immune to COVID."
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:metal
omg :rollin
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Don't know what to think of this yet to be honest. I still have even listened to Petrucci's solo album.
My vinyl finally arrived from overseas and I gave it another listen (after listening to it digitally when it came out) and I think it's very good. It's no masterpiece, but it has some of Petrucci wildest performances in a long time. And the chemistry between Petrucci and Portnoy is undeniable. So I think you should give it a shot :)
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https://lotsofmuzik.com/liquid-tension-experiment-announce-new-album/ (https://lotsofmuzik.com/liquid-tension-experiment-announce-new-album/)
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When I first glanced at that pic, I thought Mike's right leg was incredibly thin, due to the tattoo kind of merging in with the background :lol
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- two, there are too many variables to play with. Three of the four are socially connected again, but while I'm now friends with my ex-wife I don't want to marry her again.
Dude, the dreaded marriage analogy!
But it does work in this situation actually.
Mending social (and some business) relationships does not mean they want Portnoy back in the band. I was surprised a while back when Petrucci was actually open about how unhappy he was with Portnoy touring with Avenged Sevenfold. I just figured they always had a policy of whatever they do in their own time is cool since they were always had other side projects. Even Jordan was pretty open about some dissatisfaction with the way Portnoy did things.
So even if 3 guys get along with Portnoy now, it doesn't mean they want to have to work around his schedule or even if Portnoy has offered to ditch 90% of his side project stuff, do they really want to be in a position where it could potentially cause tension again?
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Change title thread? Maybe?
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Change title thread? Maybe?
how|?
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Change title thread? Maybe?
Done.
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tnx
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Change title thread? Maybe?
Done.
Cool! Maybe add in that LTE3 will be released in Spring 2021, because I'm sure someone will ask in this thread without bothering to read through it to find the initial press release info.
I listened to the teaser again in my car and it got even better. I didn't think I'd have too many albums to be excited about for next year but they keep adding up! Steven Wilson, Transatlantic, Big Big Train, Dream Theater, Frost*, and now LTE. At this rate, 2021 might top the already spectacular 2020 slate of new albums I got.
-Marc.
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When is this coming out?
:) :) :)
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Sometime between March 20 and June 19.
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I bet they recorded it at DTHQ and Jimmy T engineered the album.
They did lol. Well, at least Jimmy T said on an Instagram story he engineered the album.
Understandable as it is, due to the pandemic, I would like to maybe not having rushed it or anything and recorded at a different studio. Not only the vibe would be different by I'm afraid it would sound close to a DT jam than a LTE kinda organic sound. Either way I'm still very excited!
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I know it's only a 30-second sample and who knows how indicative that will be of the entire album, but I still can't get over the fact that Levin is playing that kind of material at 74 YEARS OLD and still able to pull it off. Amazing to me.
Cannot wait for this album, and to hear MP+JP+JR make new music together again.
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Samples were intense!
If JP's arms get any bigger, he'll need hoists to hold them up.
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I know it's only a 30-second sample and who knows how indicative that will be of the entire album, but I still can't get over the fact that Levin is playing that kind of material at 74 YEARS OLD and still able to pull it off. Amazing to me.
Cannot wait for this album, and to hear MP+JP+JR make new music together again.
Fair, but he might not be playing 32nd notes the whole time like the other guys are.
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I've noticed that a lot of times when JP and MP / MM / Rudess are doing the 32nd note legato runs then Myung often just plays 8th notes.
It makes the bass stand out too.
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The drums sound like REAL drums! I'm sold!
THAT
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Thought the drums sounded fine on Astonishing & Distance Over Time, personally. :dunno:
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Thought the drums sounded fine on Astonishing & Distance Over Time, personally. :dunno:
They did.
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Thought the drums sounded fine on Astonishing & Distance Over Time, personally. :dunno:
That’s exactly how they sounded.
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Again, when people are making subtle swipes at MM, all they are saying is that they prefer MP over MM. ??? ::)
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It seems you can no longer talk about MP without taking swift jabs against MM. Oh well.
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That teaser could be any part of a song. Could be the middle section, the ending, and even the intro. It's like if they released the intro to Paradigm Shift as a teaser :lol. It would be awesome to start off the album with this teaser, it would fit with Paradigm Shift, and Acid Rain. It'd be even cooler because each first track would then increase in intensity if the teaser was the first song intro, and it went into something more :metal.
The reason I am excited for this album is how much more Musical Ideas will be included, now that the guys have grew more as musicians and added more styles, tones, and different playing aspects to their playing styles. JP, JR, MP, and even Tony have certain things they have learned since the last meet-up with the Jams on the live shows that were released.
I also wonder if the music of those jams will also make the album?
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Again, when people are making subtle swipes at MM, all they are saying is that they prefer MP over MM. ??? ::)
No. There are things which irritate me about both of them - but MM at least at least seems like a decent human being.
If I could combine MPs playing and drum sound with MMs personality and technique - that'd be great.
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Again, when people are making subtle swipes at MM, all they are saying is that they prefer MP over MM. ??? ::)
If you were referring to my "The drums sounds like REAL drums" comment. That is not a swipe at all at MM. To be honest, I prefer MM in Dream Theater these days.
It is, however, a direct swipe at the poor production choices they (Petrucci?) have been making these last 10 years. And even though the sounds have improved with The Astonishing and DOT - it's still not as good as they sounded from 1997 - 2009.
I've watched Mike Mangini videos he does on his own YouTube channel and the drums sound fine. I saw DT live with MM and the drums sound fine. I watched videos of MM touring with Steve Vai and the drums sound fine. But on the albums and live releases they sound over-produced to the point of almost sounding fake. It's just not a sound I am into at all, and really seems out of place for a band of DT's caliber.
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Again, when people are making subtle swipes at MM, all they are saying is that they prefer MP over MM. ??? ::)
No. There are things which irritate me about both of them - but MM at least at least seems like a decent human being.
If I could combine MPs playing and drum sound with MMs personality and technique - that'd be great.
I mean, talk about swinging in the exact opposite direction.
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How are any current or former DT members not decent human beings?? :huh: :huh:
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Unexpected but most welcome.
What label is this out on?
It's not going to top the live box set but I see no reason why it couldn't slot right behind it.
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Unexpected but most welcome.
What label is this out on?
It's not going to top the live box set but I see no reason why it couldn't slot right behind it.
It’s being released by Inside Out.
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How are any current or former DT members not decent human beings?? :huh: :huh:
Google " Del Fuvio Bros "
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Again, when people are making subtle swipes at MM, all they are saying is that they prefer MP over MM. ??? ::)
If you were referring to my "The drums sounds like REAL drums" comment. That is not a swipe at all at MM. To be honest, I prefer MM in Dream Theater these days.
It is, however, a direct swipe at the poor production choices they (Petrucci?) have been making these last 10 years. And even though the sounds have improved with The Astonishing and DOT - it's still not as good as they sounded from 1997 - 2009.
I've watched Mike Mangini videos he does on his own YouTube channel and the drums sound fine. I saw DT live with MM and the drums sound fine. I watched videos of MM touring with Steve Vai and the drums sound fine. But on the albums and live releases they sound over-produced to the point of almost sounding fake. It's just not a sound I am into at all, and really seems out of place for a band of DT's caliber.
Well, personally, I have nothing against Mangini at all. But I'll be the first to admit that I have not been a fan of the inorganic sound and robotic style of his playing, especially on the self-titled album. The Astonishing is not an album I listen to at all so I can't really comment on how the drums sound there and I think there has been an incremental improvement on Distance Over Time, but I am 100% in agreement that the albums recorded over the last 10 years could have sounded a lot more organic when it comes to percussion.
If anyone interprets that as a swipe at Mangini, then I think you have a reading comprehension problem. No offence.
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Again, when people are making subtle swipes at MM, all they are saying is that they prefer MP over MM. ??? ::)
If you were referring to my "The drums sounds like REAL drums" comment. That is not a swipe at all at MM. To be honest, I prefer MM in Dream Theater these days.
It is, however, a direct swipe at the poor production choices they (Petrucci?) have been making these last 10 years. And even though the sounds have improved with The Astonishing and DOT - it's still not as good as they sounded from 1997 - 2009.
I've watched Mike Mangini videos he does on his own YouTube channel and the drums sound fine. I saw DT live with MM and the drums sound fine. I watched videos of MM touring with Steve Vai and the drums sound fine. But on the albums and live releases they sound over-produced to the point of almost sounding fake. It's just not a sound I am into at all, and really seems out of place for a band of DT's caliber.
Well, personally, I have nothing against Mangini at all. But I'll be the first to admit that I have not been a fan of the inorganic sound and robotic style of his playing, especially on the self-titled album. The Astonishing is not an album I listen to at all so I can't really comment on how the drums sound there and I think there has been an incremental improvement on Distance Over Time, but I am 100% in agreement that the albums recorded over the last 10 years could have sounded a lot more organic when it comes to percussion.
If anyone interprets that as a swipe at Mangini, then I think you have a reading comprehension problem. No offence.
I don't get how the sound is Robotic? How would you describe robotic? To me, it's more so the Mix than his tone. Dream Theater was produced in an interesting way. JP likes to try new things. And I do wonder if he lets the engineers and others like that determine certain sounds and let's them experiment with sounds. Could be why the Snare in the Self-Titled was decided to be tuned that low, to experiment with it.
Mangini didn't like it, but he's not the producer. JR, JM, and LaBrie may not like JP decisions, but they're not the producer.
Also, how could the drums have sounded more organic? And what does Organic mean, in this context of drums?
Because to me, These drums sound organic. It's the tone and production choices that make it sound less organic and also the mix, as certain things aren't mixed high as they interfere with certain sounds the producer might want higher in the mix.
Also, I find it very fascinating how Mangini learned to hit the drums with the right velocity, even going so far as to learn about human anatomy. Which he uses to describe his playing style, he uses certain muscles when playing. Now that is something uniquely Mangini.
Now, the LTE 3 teaser, sounds like JPs solo album but with Keyboards. Drums and Guitars sound nice, and the bass does as well. The producer(s) on this album are likely all 4 of the guys again, like the past albums. That alone affects the end product and is a reason why the teaser sounds so good.
Also, Dream Theater likely has more Label involvement than either of these 2 projects (JP solo and LTE). So that also plays into how an album will sound. And these things are not talked about at all, these decisions are the "Man behind the curtain" made decisions.
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How are any current or former DT members not decent human beings?? :huh: :huh:
Google " Del Fuvio Bros "
The Del Fuvio Brothers are musicians Derek Sherinan (ex-Dream Theater) and current member of Black Country Communion and Sons Of Apollo and Mike Portnoy (ex-Dream Theater) and current member of Sons Of Apollo
What am I not seeing?
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I don't get how the sound is Robotic?
"Mangini/the new drummer sounds robotic" is an opinion I've heard and read for the last 10 years everywhere, not just DT related forums. I happen to agree, as do many other DT fans. I would say you don't hear it perhaps due to your musical tastes or what you've been exposed to, but it could be anything. Art is subjective. I think it's annoying when I hear anyone make a comment on Jazz that clearly isn't well educated on the subject, or look at Jazz as some kind of antique music, as most people don't know anything about it outside of pop culture tropes or parodies, if that, or call everything that sounds jazzy "smooth jazz" so majority opinion is not always the 'right' opinion.
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Mangini is awesome, but his playing is almost too good in the sense that it sometimes feels like every single hit he makes is one he thought out in advance rather than just sitting down to play the song with no preconceived ideas of what to play and then getting a feel for the song and just playing. Not saying that that is what happens, just what it feels like. In other words, there often seems to be no jam vibe to his playing. Not saying that is wrong, but it demonstrates the fundamental difference in their approaches when discussing the playing of both Mike Mangini and Mike Portnoy.
And I will reiterate that the band has done Mangini no favors in regards to the perception, as the drum sound on A Dramatic Turn of Events was a noticeable drop-off compared to every DT album prior to that one. I told this story before, but a friend who is a fan of the band but doesn't follow them as religiously as I do grabbed ADTOE after its release and one day out of the blue asked me, "I like the new album, but why do the drums sound like shit?" He had zero idea that the band had changed drummers. I did not have a good answer for him. We can debate till the cows come home about whose approach is better, but to me there is little doubt that Portnoy almost always gets an awesome drum sound in the studio.
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Mangini is awesome, but his playing is almost too good in the sense that it sometimes feels like every single hit he makes is one he thought out in advance rather than just sitting down to play the song with no preconceived ideas of what to play and then getting a feel for the song and just playing. Not saying that that is what happens, just what it feels like. In other words, there often seems to be no jam vibe to his playing. Not saying that is wrong, but it demonstrates the fundamental difference in their approaches when discussing the playing of both Mike Mangini and Mike Portnoy.
And I will reiterate that the band has done Mangini no favors in regards to the perception, as the drum sound on A Dramatic Turn of Events was a noticeable drop-off compared to every DT album prior to that one. I told this story before, but a friend who is a fan of the band but doesn't follow them as religiously as I do grabbed ADTOE after its release and one day out of the blue asked me, "I like the new album, but why do the drums sound like shit?" He had zero idea that the band had changed drummers. I did not have a good answer for him. We can debate till the cows come home about whose approach is better, but to me there is little doubt that Portnoy almost always gets an awesome drum sound in the studio.
Changing Drummers, can affect the mix because that drummer might have more or less drums to mic, and mix. Also, the position of the drums affect the mix as well, as you get bleed from the drums and cymbals into the mics that are not meant to pick up those drum/cymbal sounds. Also, Producers affect the mix, and certain tones and sounds they want the album to sound like, and the Record Label could get involved and want to push this certain product style (that is determined by the contract the bands sign).
The reason MP gets a good drum sound is because he himself produces his own Drum Sound, and knows what Drum Sounds he wants on his work. Mangini is not a producer, and doesn't get to say how his drums can sound. JP is the one who determines that, and the many other producers Mangini has worked with. He can be disappointed but in the end the producer has the final say.
I don't get how the sound is Robotic?
"Mangini/the new drummer sounds robotic" is an opinion I've heard and read for the last 10 years everywhere, not just DT related forums. I happen to agree, as do many other DT fans. I would say you don't hear it perhaps due to your musical tastes or what you've been exposed to, but it could be anything. Art is subjective. I think it's annoying when I hear anyone make a comment on Jazz that clearly isn't well educated on the subject, or look at Jazz as some kind of antique music, as most people don't know anything about it outside of pop culture tropes or parodies, if that, or call everything that sounds jazzy "smooth jazz" so majority opinion is not always the 'right' opinion.
I am just interested in knowing why Mangini's playing sounds robotic. Like what is it that makes him "Robotic". I don't hear that at all. Mangini's drumming isn't really that up front either. He plays to the music, he plays along with the guitar, bass, and keys, even vocals. He utilizes his limbs and many arms to incorporate certain drums/cymbals to play along with the other instruments.
And Kev, I understand what you mean, but MP was the one who likes to jam, and it shows with his many projects and how he works with bands, especially the projects he started on his own.
What I think it is, is Dream Theater as a business has changed the way it does business. Since MP left, things were not the same as MP was majorly involved in all aspects of Dream Theater as a business. It's why I was upset he decided to just quit, instead of giving up some control of the Business as it was obviously wearing him thin. The other guys likely saw that too and just said, "You know what, there's the door" and MP said "Fine I'll just quit" (all speculation on my end here).
I am glad MP is playing with JP, or more making albums with JP again. The timing seemed right, and we are fortunate to get both a new JP solo album and a new LTE album, both with JP and MP recording music together.
What I am happy about is Jimmy T being the go to engineer/mixer for things JP is involved in. If he is the studio engineer, and mixer, than JP really found a great guy to work with. And we are going to be looking at some great sounding albums in the future.
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Seriously, I don’t understand why MM sound is brought to LTE thread.
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And I will reiterate that the band has done Mangini no favors in regards to the perception, as the drum sound on A Dramatic Turn of Events was a noticeable drop-off compared to every DT album prior to that one.
So the electronic drums on Images and Words sound better than the drums on ADTOE? ???
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And I will reiterate that the band has done Mangini no favors in regards to the perception, as the drum sound on A Dramatic Turn of Events was a noticeable drop-off compared to every DT album prior to that one.
So the electronic drums on Images and Words sound better than the drums on ADTOE? ???
No, but they were played by MP and he clearly knows how to make triggered drums sound better.
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I doubt if MP had anything to do with the drum sounds on Images, it would have been the producer.
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How are any current or former DT members not decent human beings?? :huh: :huh:
Google " Del Fuvio Bros "
The Del Fuvio Brothers are musicians Derek Sherinan (ex-Dream Theater) and current member of Black Country Communion and Sons Of Apollo and Mike Portnoy (ex-Dream Theater) and current member of Sons Of Apollo
What am I not seeing?
I'm with you on this. There's a point here, I suppose, but I'm not seeing it even remotely.
Last I checked "decent" didn't mean "perfect in every possible way". If a couple of snippy tweets - of uncertain intent (were they jokes? a fit of momentary anger?), I might add - is all it takes to no longer be a "decent human being" then we're fucked.
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I doubt if MP had anything to do with the drum sounds on Images, it would have been the producer.
Hot take? I was listening to I&W while shoveling the other day and I LIKE the sound of that record, drums and all.
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I doubt if MP had anything to do with the drum sounds on Images, it would have been the producer.
Hot take? I was listening to I&W while shoveling the other day and I LIKE the sound of that record, drums and all.
Even hotter take, I like the drum sound on I&W better than on several other DT records, with and without MP.
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I doubt if MP had anything to do with the drum sounds on Images, it would have been the producer.
Hot take? I was listening to I&W while shoveling the other day and I LIKE the sound of that record, drums and all.
IaW came out in a time where a lot of recorded music was still being recorded well, to the best that technology could offer, instead of recording for the sake of sounding good on cheap laptop speakers or streaming services.. Sometimes the choice of sounds from the 80s/90s might make something sound dated, but it was recorded well. The production on that album is very clear and open, something that became less and less for DT as time went on.
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Seriously, I don’t understand why MM sound is brought to LTE thread.
Mike Mangini doesn't use enough whahìbrido pickingant
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And I will reiterate that the band has done Mangini no favors in regards to the perception, as the drum sound on A Dramatic Turn of Events was a noticeable drop-off compared to every DT album prior to that one.
So the electronic drums on Images and Words sound better than the drums on ADTOE? ???
Yes.
IaW came out in a time where a lot of recorded music was still being recorded well, to the best that technology could offer, instead of recording for the sake of sounding good on cheap laptop speakers or streaming services.. Sometimes the choice of sounds from the 80s/90s might make something sound dated, but it was recorded well. The production on that album is very clear and open, something that became less and less for DT as time went on.
Agreed. Even if you (the general "you") are not a fan of the triggered snare, I&W as a whole is still an incredible sounding record by just about any measure.
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I doubt if MP had anything to do with the drum sounds on Images, it would have been the producer.
Hot take? I was listening to I&W while shoveling the other day and I LIKE the sound of that record, drums and all.
The remixes they did for the Greatest Hit release sound so naked without the triggered drum sound.
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I doubt if MP had anything to do with the drum sounds on Images, it would have been the producer.
Hot take? I was listening to I&W while shoveling the other day and I LIKE the sound of that record, drums and all.
The remixes they did for the Greatest Hit release sound so naked without the triggered drum sound.
I tried listening to them but they just don't sound like IAW, it's not right.
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I&W is fantastic and I think it's sound sits well in it's era.
Portnoy plays great, but the snare sound is to me terrible, like a loud RATATATA feeling off-topic compared to all the other sounds, I mean it's as bad sounding as a quantized and maximized free drum VST snare and rolls on it sounds like fireworks.
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Seriously, I don’t understand why MM sound is brought to LTE thread.
This is easy to answer.
LTE3 has less to do with the project itself than with MP + JR + JP collaborating again. Which leads us to the absence of MP in DT (as always), which leads us to MM, the usurper. :lol
Just an ordinary day at "DT World".
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'Mike Mangini, the Usurper'
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I'm really happy that we have a new LTE album and I hope this turns out becoming a more regular side project for all involved.
For all this MP versus MM discussion, now I'm perfectly satified the way things are nowadays: with MP reconnected musically with JP, I guess we'll see more of JP solo and LTE releases in the upcoming years (I believe JP will be more motivated to do so, being an excuse to work with MP). Also I'm really happy with MM on DT and his incredible technical/creative drumming. But if, for whatever reason, MP came back to DT, I also would be happy, since I'm a longtime fan and always admired the MP/JP/JR chemistry, so... egoistically speaking, talk about a win/win situation :biggrin:
As for the drum sound, I find really interesting that the first DT album and the first 2 MM's DT albums has the worst drums sounds of the entire DT's discography for similar reasons: the drums on WDaDU and ADToE sound like good organic drums that were poorly recorded and the drums on I&W and DT12 sound like triggered drums (in I&W's case it really is, of course). Just to add, IMO not only the snare sounds bad in those albums, but I would include all the toms and bass drums. Besides the drums, I also agree that I&W has a beautiful production. And finally, I definitely think it's much better triggered drums than poorly recorded drums! :biggrin: :tup
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As for the drum sound, I find really interesting that the first DT album and the first 2 MM's DT albums has the worst drums sounds of the entire DT's discography for similar reasons: the drums on WDaDU and ADToE sound like good organic drums that were poorly recorded and the drums on I&W and DT12 sound like triggered drums (in I&W's case it really is, of course). Just to add, IMO not only the snare sounds bad in those albums, but I would include all the toms and bass drums. Besides the drums, I also agree that I&W has a beautiful production. And finally, I definitely think it's much better triggered drums than poorly recorded drums! :biggrin: :tup
I don't think that "poorly recorded drums" is a good description for ADTOE. They recorded a great kit with great mics on a great studio and it was all engineered by the great Paul Northfield. If anything, the "bad" sound (which I don't think it's bad at all) is a result of mixing and production choices, but definitely not "poorly recorded drums". I just think they're a bit low/unbalanced in the mix, but the sound itself is quite good.
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^Agreed. Its not just the drums that sound bad on that album, the guitar is weak and lacks power.
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I meant that it sounds poorly recorded, besides the low mix problem. At least it's my perception.
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You know, it would be great if we could avoid MP vs. MM discussions in a thread that has nothing whatsoever to do with one of them.
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You know, it would be great if we could avoid MP vs. MM discussions in a thread that has nothing whatsoever to do with one of them.
Yes, and in order for that to happen, I'd like to respectfully mention that Tony Levin is giving everyone in the band a run for their money (and he's 74, shreds like a maniac, lovely)
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You know, it would be great if we could avoid MP vs. MM discussions in a thread that has nothing whatsoever to do with one of them.
Seems more like a JP vs MP drum mixing discussion to me.
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Yes, and in order for that to happen, I'd like to respectfully mention that Tony Levin is giving everyone in the band a run for their money (and he's 74, shreds like a maniac, lovely)
That's what happens when someone hangs with Robert Fripp for that long :lol
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You know, it would be great if we could avoid MP vs. MM discussions in a thread that has nothing whatsoever to do with one of them.
Want me to start one in the BBQ thread? :) :) :) :)
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Again, when people are making subtle swipes at MM, all they are saying is that they prefer MP over MM. ??? ::)
If you were referring to my "The drums sounds like REAL drums" comment. That is not a swipe at all at MM. To be honest, I prefer MM in Dream Theater these days.
It is, however, a direct swipe at the poor production choices they (Petrucci?) have been making these last 10 years. And even though the sounds have improved with The Astonishing and DOT - it's still not as good as they sounded from 1997 - 2009.
I've watched Mike Mangini videos he does on his own YouTube channel and the drums sound fine. I saw DT live with MM and the drums sound fine. I watched videos of MM touring with Steve Vai and the drums sound fine. But on the albums and live releases they sound over-produced to the point of almost sounding fake. It's just not a sound I am into at all, and really seems out of place for a band of DT's caliber.
Well, personally, I have nothing against Mangini at all. But I'll be the first to admit that I have not been a fan of the inorganic sound and robotic style of his playing, especially on the self-titled album. The Astonishing is not an album I listen to at all so I can't really comment on how the drums sound there and I think there has been an incremental improvement on Distance Over Time, but I am 100% in agreement that the albums recorded over the last 10 years could have sounded a lot more organic when it comes to percussion.
If anyone interprets that as a swipe at Mangini, then I think you have a reading comprehension problem. No offence.
I don't get how the sound is Robotic?
Mangini isn't really a groove/pocket player. He's intensely accurate and unfortunately it often comes across on the recordings almost as programmed drums. Portnoy's style is much looser. He tends to sit back in the pocket a lot more, at least that's what my ears tell me when I listen to him play.
The other thing about Mangini that I don't care for is the way he uses the high-hat. He seems to play with a partially open high-hat almost constantly. I always found Portnoy's high-hat and cymbal work quite a bit more interesting.
With that said, I think Mangini is a superior technical player. He can do things that Portnoy cannot. I am pretty sure there is nothing Portnoy can do that Mangini cannot do -EXCEPT- I think Portnoy is far more of a groove/pocket player.
And just a general statement here but I think a lot of people around here conflate criticism of Mangini with malice towards him. It is possible to be critical of an artist's performances or styles while still liking them personally and respecting their body of work.
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You know, it would be great if we could avoid MP vs. MM discussions in a thread that has nothing whatsoever to do with one of them.
Want me to start one in the BBQ thread? :) :) :) :)
You should learn from MM and not stack your racks of ribs too high on the grill.
I've also heard that if you use a meat thermometer, your brisket will taste too robotic, far better to play it by ear.
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You know, it would be great if we could avoid MP vs. MM discussions in a thread that has nothing whatsoever to do with one of them.
Seems more like a JP vs MP drum mixing discussion to me.
Almost but not quite. JP is the producer in Dream Theater now. No one else. JLB got Richard Chycki to help him with producing vocals. Because we all know JP can't sing. Also Labels, can also have an effect on how the final product should be. Sometimes, the labels have an idea of what they want their product to sound like. InsideOut isn't like most labels, but they would still have a say in their end product. It's the very reason why bands are starting to create their own Label Companies. So, the artist can have more control, rather than a record executive who's only interest is the profit.
Even though it's taken how many albums to find a good balance with Manginis' drum sound, since the Drum Producer decided to quit (which MP was in a way), I'm glad JP found it with 'Jimmy T'. He has made some great sounding drums both in recording, mixing, and engineering. He recorded both DoT and Terminal Velocity. If he is recording, LTE 3, then we are in for a treat.
None of these guys are the mixers. DoT had it done by Ben Grosse w/ an assistant and Terminal Velocity was done by Andy Sneap.
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Yes, and in order for that to happen, I'd like to respectfully mention that Tony Levin is giving everyone in the band a run for their money (and he's 74, shreds like a maniac, lovely)
That's what happens when someone hangs with Robert Fripp for that long :lol
Haa. Yes it does of course.
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You know, it would be great if we could avoid MP vs. MM discussions in a thread that has nothing whatsoever to do with one of them.
Want me to start one in the BBQ thread? :) :) :) :)
Thanks awfully.
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You know, it would be great if we could avoid MP vs. MM discussions in a thread that has nothing whatsoever to do with one of them.
Seems more like a JP vs MP drum mixing discussion to me.
Because we all know JP can't sing.
Let me stop you right there with that nonsense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5gloy7sxuc
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You know, it would be great if we could avoid MP vs. MM discussions in a thread that has nothing whatsoever to do with one of them.
Seems more like a JP vs MP drum mixing discussion to me.
Because we all know JP can't sing.
Let me stop you right there with that nonsense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5gloy7sxuc
"Let's hope the vocals don't carry on..."
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You know, it would be great if we could avoid MP vs. MM discussions in a thread that has nothing whatsoever to do with one of them.
Yes, and in order for that to happen, I'd like to respectfully mention that Tony Levin is giving everyone in the band a run for their money (and he's 74, shreds like a maniac, lovely)
To me, Tony Levin is the secret sauce of this project. He is on my Mount Rushmore of bass players on the strength alone of the first two LTE albums. Okay, his work with Peter Gabriel and on King Crimson's Discipline gets a huge assist, but the LTE albums are what make him an all-time bad ass bassist (for me).
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You know, it would be great if we could avoid MP vs. MM discussions in a thread that has nothing whatsoever to do with one of them.
Yes, and in order for that to happen, I'd like to respectfully mention that Tony Levin is giving everyone in the band a run for their money (and he's 74, shreds like a maniac, lovely)
To me, Tony Levin is the secret sauce of this project. He is on my Mount Rushmore of bass players on the strength alone of the first two LTE albums. Okay, his work with Peter Gabriel and on King Crimson's Discipline gets a huge assist, but the LTE albums are what make him an all-time bad ass bassist (for me).
thank you.
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Late to the party but super excited for LTE, I love the other two albums, they are arguably my favourite instrumental albums of all time.
Also, to all those sleeping on JP’s new album, you should give it a go if you like instrumental stuff. It’s some of his and Portnoy’s best playing in many years imo.
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Again, when people are making subtle swipes at MM, all they are saying is that they prefer MP over MM. ??? ::)
If you were referring to my "The drums sounds like REAL drums" comment. That is not a swipe at all at MM. To be honest, I prefer MM in Dream Theater these days.
It is, however, a direct swipe at the poor production choices they (Petrucci?) have been making these last 10 years. And even though the sounds have improved with The Astonishing and DOT - it's still not as good as they sounded from 1997 - 2009.
I've watched Mike Mangini videos he does on his own YouTube channel and the drums sound fine. I saw DT live with MM and the drums sound fine. I watched videos of MM touring with Steve Vai and the drums sound fine. But on the albums and live releases they sound over-produced to the point of almost sounding fake. It's just not a sound I am into at all, and really seems out of place for a band of DT's caliber.
Well, personally, I have nothing against Mangini at all. But I'll be the first to admit that I have not been a fan of the inorganic sound and robotic style of his playing, especially on the self-titled album. The Astonishing is not an album I listen to at all so I can't really comment on how the drums sound there and I think there has been an incremental improvement on Distance Over Time, but I am 100% in agreement that the albums recorded over the last 10 years could have sounded a lot more organic when it comes to percussion.
If anyone interprets that as a swipe at Mangini, then I think you have a reading comprehension problem. No offence.
I don't get how the sound is Robotic?
Mangini isn't really a groove/pocket player. He's intensely accurate and unfortunately it often comes across on the recordings almost as programmed drums. Portnoy's style is much looser. He tends to sit back in the pocket a lot more, at least that's what my ears tell me when I listen to him play.
The other thing about Mangini that I don't care for is the way he uses the high-hat. He seems to play with a partially open high-hat almost constantly. I always found Portnoy's high-hat and cymbal work quite a bit more interesting.
With that said, I think Mangini is a superior technical player. He can do things that Portnoy cannot. I am pretty sure there is nothing Portnoy can do that Mangini cannot do -EXCEPT- I think Portnoy is far more of a groove/pocket player.
And just a general statement here but I think a lot of people around here conflate criticism of Mangini with malice towards him. It is possible to be critical of an artist's performances or styles while still liking them personally and respecting their body of work.
I think MP's compositional skills are superior and also he can sing while playing all his parts. That's tough to do. Not sure MM can do that. Maybe but I don't know. Style wise, I prefer MP's approach over MM's but I have deep respect for both guys.
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Seriously, I don’t understand why MM sound is brought to LTE thread.
This is easy to answer.
LTE3 has less to do with the project itself than with MP + JR + JP collaborating again. Which leads us to the absence of MP in DT (as always), which leads us to MM, the usurper. :lol
Just an ordinary day at "DT World".
MP+JP+JR IS the sound of DT post-Kevin Moore.
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You know, it would be great if we could avoid MP vs. MM discussions in a thread that has nothing whatsoever to do with one of them.
Yes, and in order for that to happen, I'd like to respectfully mention that Tony Levin is giving everyone in the band a run for their money (and he's 74, shreds like a maniac, lovely)
To me, Tony Levin is the secret sauce of this project. He is on my Mount Rushmore of bass players on the strength alone of the first two LTE albums. Okay, his work with Peter Gabriel and on King Crimson's Discipline gets a huge assist, but the LTE albums are what make him an all-time bad ass bassist (for me).
I LOVE his work in Liquid Tension Experiment but that stuff is far from his best work, Many of his solo projects, other collaborations, and yes, King Crimson are much better examples of his work for me. He's definitely a guy that excels more in a live setting for me.
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You know, it would be great if we could avoid MP vs. MM discussions in a thread that has nothing whatsoever to do with one of them.
Yes, and in order for that to happen, I'd like to respectfully mention that Tony Levin is giving everyone in the band a run for their money (and he's 74, shreds like a maniac, lovely)
To me, Tony Levin is the secret sauce of this project. He is on my Mount Rushmore of bass players on the strength alone of the first two LTE albums. Okay, his work with Peter Gabriel and on King Crimson's Discipline gets a huge assist, but the LTE albums are what make him an all-time bad ass bassist (for me).
I LOVE his work in Liquid Tension Experiment but that stuff is far from his best work, Many of his solo projects, other collaborations, and yes, King Crimson are much better examples of his work for me. He's definitely a guy that excels more in a live setting for me.
I think you need to look at all of his work to really appreciate just how good he really is. He has amazing technique but he can also play some groovy lines. I also agree that the live aspect is huge with him. I remember the first time I saw him live with stick men and they played relentless, I was blown out of my seat. I then looked for the album version of the song and it didn't sound half as amazing as it was live.
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Check out Stick Men for very sweet TLev bass (stick) grooves.
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Another cool, interesting album with Tony Levin on bass is David Torn's album - "cloud about mercury" which also features Bill Bruford on drums.
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You know, it would be great if we could avoid MP vs. MM discussions in a thread that has nothing whatsoever to do with one of them.
Yes, and in order for that to happen, I'd like to respectfully mention that Tony Levin is giving everyone in the band a run for their money (and he's 74, shreds like a maniac, lovely)
To me, Tony Levin is the secret sauce of this project. He is on my Mount Rushmore of bass players on the strength alone of the first two LTE albums. Okay, his work with Peter Gabriel and on King Crimson's Discipline gets a huge assist, but the LTE albums are what make him an all-time bad ass bassist (for me).
I LOVE his work in Liquid Tension Experiment but that stuff is far from his best work, Many of his solo projects, other collaborations, and yes, King Crimson are much better examples of his work for me. He's definitely a guy that excels more in a live setting for me.
I don't disagree at all. I am just such a fan of those LTE albums! :coolio :coolio
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March 26th release date, preorders start on January 22. Artwork here:
https://twitter.com/jpetrucci/status/1348630751756001280?s=21
Buried the lede. It’s a two CD album it appears.
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Cool artwork!
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An italian webzine has the tracklist:
01. Hypersonic (8:22)
02. Beating The Odds (6:09)
03. Liquid Evolution (3:23)
04. The Passage Of Time (7:32)
05. Chris & Kevin’s Amazing Odyssey (5:04)
06. Rhapsody In Blue (13:16)
07. Shades Of Hope (4:42)
08. Key To The Imagination (13:14)
Adding that "the second disc will contain more than an hour of jams and improvs".
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The jams are apparently a bonus disc. It is not a double album as far as I understand.
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Sweet! that Blu-ray & 2 CD set has my sights on it already.
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Sweet! that Blu-ray & 2 CD set has my sights on it already.
Same. Going for the Artbook.
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The jams are apparently a bonus disc. It is not a double album as far as I understand.
It is my doubt if this time they totally separated the written songs and jam songs in 2 CDs or if the second CD is more like jam's leftovers. I asked about it in the MP Facebook, maybe he will clarify about that.
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Sweet! that Blu-ray & 2 CD set has my sights on it already.
Same. Going for the Artbook.
I would think that the artbook will be really cool for this one! I would like the poster too.
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Double album: CD1 - composed songs and CD2 - jam songs. :metal
It wouldn’t shock me to get something like Three Minute Warning part 2 as a side long jam on a second disc. Seems like the kind of thing they would do.
Hey, devieira73 called the format!
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An italian webzine has the tracklist:
01. Hypersonic (8:22)
02. Beating The Odds (6:09)
03. Liquid Evolution (3:23)
04. The Passage Of Time (7:32)
05. Chris & Kevin’s Amazing Odyssey (5:04)
06. Rhapsody In Blue (13:16)
07. Shades Of Hope (4:42)
08. Key To The Imagination (13:14)
Adding that "the second disc will contain more than an hour of jams and improvs".
Nice! I really appreciate that they're keeping the jams and improvs on the 2nd disc, so I can completely ignore that and focus on the main one :lol :biggrin:
It's also interesting to see they recorded Rhapsody in Blue, a cover they did live in 2008. There's already pro footage of that one, so we already have our first taste of the album (sort of).
EDIT: I decided to run the LTE3 teaser they uploaded a while ago through Shazam again and it now confirmed it comes from the first track, Hypersonic.
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The full press release if anyone wants to see it here:
LIQUID TENSION EXPERIMENT
Announce details for new album ‘LTE3’
Album due out March 26th, 2021
2020 came to a close with LIQUID TENSION EXPERIMENT announcing their return and new album to be released on InsideOutMusic. Today, the legendary supergroup comprised of Mike Portnoy (Transatlantic, Sons of Apollo), John Petrucci (Dream Theater), Jordan Rudess (Dream Theater), and Tony Levin (King Crimson, Peter Gabriel) are pleased to officially announce that the new album ‘LTE3’ will be released on March 26th, 2021 via InsideOutMusic, twenty-two years after the bands’ last studio album.
“After over 20 years since the last time we recorded together, the four of us stepped into the studio and it was as if no time had passed at all! All of the magic that made the first two LTE albums so special was still there and we had such a great time making this record. I’m extremely proud of what we created together and can’t wait for everyone to hear it!” -John Petrucci
“The best thing to come out of 2020 was this long-awaited reunion! And it was surely worth the wait as after all these years, the magic chemistry was still there and stronger than ever!”-Mike Portnoy
LTE3 Tracklisting:
1. Hypersonic (8:22)
2. Beating The Odds (6:09)
3. Liquid Evolution (3:23)
4. The Passage Of Time (7:32)
5. Chris & Kevin’s Amazing Odyssey (5:04)
6. Rhapsody In Blue (13:16)
7. Shades Of Hope (4:42)
8. Key To The Imagination (13:14)
Bonus Disc:
Including almost an hour of improvised jams
The pre-order will start on January 22nd 2021 and the album will be available as:
•Limited deluxe hot pink 3LP+2CD+Blu-ray Box Set (incl. a poster and 4 artcards, Blu-ray includes a 5.1 surround mix with visuals, and full band interview from the studio)
•Limited 2CD+Blu-ray Artbook
•Limited 2CD Digipak
•Gatefold black 2LP+CD
• Digital album (2CD)
Watch the recently released teaser trailer, created by Christian Rios, here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRvCuDIMIzo&feature=youtu.be
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/138265081_5318367248180874_5711394653400679825_o.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=2&_nc_sid=110474&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=bZzfgxIuTWsAX_9VtFm&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&tp=14&oh=224b48b762b07d3ae94bab2e262898e7&oe=602044FF)
I'll either get the boxset or the artbook, depending on how expensive the boxset will be. This was the best news to wake up to on a Monday morning!
-Marc.
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Already hating the "this is the true DT coming back" comments. People can suck sometimes lol.
Really excited for this though.
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Dumb question, but what IS an artbook? Is that the packaging that looks like a book, like the Marillion deluxe sets, or the Iron Maiden Legacy of the Beast set? I think my Yes "The Word Is Live" came in that format too. Or is it more like the Kaleidoscope set that is bigger, about the size of an LP? Or something else?
(https://i.imgur.com/nushLnu.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/oKuvxFu.jpg)
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Double album: CD1 - composed songs and CD2 - jam songs. :metal
It wouldn’t shock me to get something like Three Minute Warning part 2 as a side long jam on a second disc. Seems like the kind of thing they would do.
Hey, devieira73 called the format!
:coolio :coolio ;D
But, I still have some doubt :corn
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Dumb question, but what IS an artbook? Is that the packaging that looks like a book, like the Marillion deluxe sets, or the Iron Maiden Legacy of the Beast set? I think my Yes "The Word Is Live" came in that format too. Or is it more like the Kaleidoscope set that is bigger, about the size of an LP? Or something else?
(https://i.imgur.com/nushLnu.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/oKuvxFu.jpg)
Typical Inside Out artbooks are more like the Kaleidoscope one you have pictured. They're roughly LP sized books with the discs set inside the covers, and pages of art, lyrics, interviews, photos and more within the book itself.
As an owner of a couple dozen of these, they're easily some of my favorite music purchases ever, definitely worth the price (most of the time).
-Marc.
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Already hating the "this is the true DT coming back" comments. People can suck sometimes lol.
Really excited for this though.
Glad Myung isn't on bass or it would be even worse.
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Already hating the "this is the true DT coming back" comments. People can suck sometimes lol.
Really excited for this though.
Glad Myung isn't on bass or it would be even worse.
To me, people saying this is the real Dream Theater is super disrespectful to Myung. I get that people don’t like LaBrie (although nobody calls WDadU their favorite Dream Theater album so I don’t wanna hear it), and I get that they’re not happy with what the band has put out with Mangini, but Myung has been there by Petrucci’s side since day one. He deserves better than to be ignored by his own fans.
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Already hating the "this is the true DT coming back" comments. People can suck sometimes lol.
Really excited for this though.
Glad Myung isn't on bass or it would be even worse.
To me, people saying this is the real Dream Theater is super disrespectful to Myung. I get that people don’t like LaBrie (although nobody calls WDadU their favorite Dream Theater album so I don’t wanna hear it), and I get that they’re not happy with what the band has put out with Mangini, but Myung has been there by Petrucci’s side since day one. He deserves better than to be ignored by his own fans.
I’d guess reactions are 0% about Myung, 25% JLB, and 1100% MM
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Anyone know where to preorder the Vinyl? Or has that not been revealed yet?
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Anyone know where to preorder the Vinyl? Or has that not been revealed yet?
I think, pre orders will be up on 22 January! Usually, you can pre-order the InsideOut releases at all normal sellers, including Amazon. Smaller shops often have individual vinyl colors though (Just For Kicks, JPC, Burning Shed, ...).
I'm pretty sure the 3 pink LP set will include the jams on vinyl, but I wonder how they'll do it. One hour doesn't fit on one LP and the regular album doesn't fit on 3 LP sides, at least not in the order given in the press release.
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I wonder how much 'Rhapsody in Blue' has got to do with the Gershwin piece.
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I wonder how much 'Rhapsody in Blue' has got to do with the Gershwin piece.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq9I9Zyy7_k
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EDIT: I decided to run the LTE3 teaser they uploaded a while ago through Shazam again and it now confirmed it comes from the first track, Hypersonic.
That teaser could be any part of a song. Could be the middle section, the ending, and even the intro. It's like if they released the intro to Paradigm Shift as a teaser :lol. It would be awesome to start off the album with this teaser, it would fit with Paradigm Shift, and Acid Rain. It'd be even cooler because each first track would then increase in intensity, if the teaser was the first song intro, and it went into something more :metal.
If Shazam is right, then good golly, I hope the teaser is the Hypersonic intro and it does go into something more metal... :metal
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Dumb question, but what IS an artbook? Is that the packaging that looks like a book, like the Marillion deluxe sets, or the Iron Maiden Legacy of the Beast set? I think my Yes "The Word Is Live" came in that format too. Or is it more like the Kaleidoscope set that is bigger, about the size of an LP? Or something else?
(https://i.imgur.com/nushLnu.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/oKuvxFu.jpg)
Typical Inside Out artbooks are more like the Kaleidoscope one you have pictured. They're roughly LP sized books with the discs set inside the covers, and pages of art, lyrics, interviews, photos and more within the book itself.
As an owner of a couple dozen of these, they're easily some of my favorite music purchases ever, definitely worth the price (most of the time).
-Marc.
Yup, they are great to browse through.
(https://i.imgur.com/118C0Hh.jpg?2)
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Dumb question, but what IS an artbook? Is that the packaging that looks like a book, like the Marillion deluxe sets, or the Iron Maiden Legacy of the Beast set? I think my Yes "The Word Is Live" came in that format too. Or is it more like the Kaleidoscope set that is bigger, about the size of an LP? Or something else?
(https://i.imgur.com/nushLnu.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/oKuvxFu.jpg)
Typical Inside Out artbooks are more like the Kaleidoscope one you have pictured. They're roughly LP sized books with the discs set inside the covers, and pages of art, lyrics, interviews, photos and more within the book itself.
As an owner of a couple dozen of these, they're easily some of my favorite music purchases ever, definitely worth the price (most of the time).
-Marc.
I always heard they were called Earbooks, like the ones Ayreon releases but I guess labels might call them diffrent.
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Dumb question, but what IS an artbook? Is that the packaging that looks like a book, like the Marillion deluxe sets, or the Iron Maiden Legacy of the Beast set? I think my Yes "The Word Is Live" came in that format too. Or is it more like the Kaleidoscope set that is bigger, about the size of an LP? Or something else?
(https://i.imgur.com/nushLnu.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/oKuvxFu.jpg)
Typical Inside Out artbooks are more like the Kaleidoscope one you have pictured. They're roughly LP sized books with the discs set inside the covers, and pages of art, lyrics, interviews, photos and more within the book itself.
As an owner of a couple dozen of these, they're easily some of my favorite music purchases ever, definitely worth the price (most of the time).
-Marc.
I always heard they were called Earbooks, like the ones Ayreon releases but I guess labels might call them diffrent.
Inside Out calls them artbooks, Mascot Records calls them earbooks. No one really knows why they're EAR books, but people have just come to accept that terminology, but use artbook interchangeably with them as well.
Anyone know where to preorder the Vinyl? Or has that not been revealed yet?
I think, pre orders will be up on 22 January! Usually, you can pre-order the InsideOut releases at all normal sellers, including Amazon. Smaller shops often have individual vinyl colors though (Just For Kicks, JPC, Burning Shed, ...).
I'm pretty sure the 3 pink LP set will include the jams on vinyl, but I wonder how they'll do it. One hour doesn't fit on one LP and the regular album doesn't fit on 3 LP sides, at least not in the order given in the press release.
The main album is about an hour, so we're look at about 2 hours, or 120 minutes of music to put on 6 sides of vinyl, which is fairly doable, but the running order of the main album might have to change to fit 20ish minutes per side.
-Marc.
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Ugh yes I do call WDADU my favourite DT album, I'm not saying its the best but for me it the most loved it's captures a time and spirit that is unique.
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Ha ha, there’s always one! I knew when they said that nobody calls it their favourite, someone would prove that wrong. I like WDADU more than most people on here, it’s a cool album but it’s not my favourite.
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I remember one of the Eddie Trunk shows that MP had come on along with maybe someone else (can't remember) they were taking questions from listeners and one of them said told MP that he's been a fan since day one and my favorite album is WDADU, bar none. And MP had this very quizzical response almost bewildered that 20 years later in their career (I think the interview was around Systematic Chaos) there were people that ranked the 1st album as their favorite, I distinctly remember the tone of his voice when he said "really? OK"
MPs interview with Eddie Trunk were always the best before podcasts, youtube, etc.. took hold.
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Trunk is too unbearable for his interviews to be the best anything.
Aside from that, I am psyched for this 3rd LTE album. If this is released on vinyl, I wonder if the first two will get vinyl re-releases as well? Would be sweet to get all three.
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The best part of Eddie Trunk now is when he posts something on Twitter, and someone will invariably post "Way to make it all about you, Ed!". And, of course, they're right as rain.
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I find Eddie Trunk annoying because he interrupts the people he's interviewing wayyyyy too much. :tdwn
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Already hating the "this is the true DT coming back" comments. People can suck sometimes lol.
Really excited for this though.
Glad Myung isn't on bass or it would be even worse.
To me, people saying this is the real Dream Theater is super disrespectful to Myung. I get that people don’t like LaBrie (although nobody calls WDadU their favorite Dream Theater album so I don’t wanna hear it), and I get that they’re not happy with what the band has put out with Mangini, but Myung has been there by Petrucci’s side since day one. He deserves better than to be ignored by his own fans.
I’d guess reactions are 0% about Myung, 25% JLB, and 1100% MM
No offense to Myung Man, but I always considered him the most easily replaceable member, as I don't find anything he does to be his "signature" thing or his parts stick out like "oh yea that's Myung on bass" like you get with Tony Levin, Geddy Lee, Chris Squire, Steve Harris, Jaco Pastorius, Mike Gordon, Phil Lesh, Victor Wooten, etc... I know I didn't word that the way I wanted to...
A slew of talented bassists could replace him and you likely wouldn't notice the difference.
As opposed to JLB, JP, KM, JR, and as we now know, MP being replaced. Though I'd be fine with a new DT singer...
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A few things that come to mind.
1. It’s wild that (it seems like) MP already recorded two albums at the new DT HQ before Mangini even recorded one.
2. It’s insane that we’re getting a new DT album, a new LTE album, and a new Transatlantic album in the same year.
3. I wonder if JP used his new 8 string one LTE. 🤔
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I find Eddie Trunk annoying because he interrupts the people he's interviewing wayyyyy too much. :tdwn
I find him annoying because he knows fuck all about metal that isn't anything 100% mainstream or the latest trendy band that he is pushing.
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I find Eddie Trunk annoying because he interrupts the people he's interviewing wayyyyy too much. :tdwn
I find him annoying because he knows fuck all about metal that isn't anything 100% mainstream or the latest trendy band that he is pushing.
Eddie Trunk loves Kiss, Scorpions, Priest, Maiden, Van Halen and UFO. He doesn't care about anything else.
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I find Eddie Trunk annoying because he interrupts the people he's interviewing wayyyyy too much. :tdwn
I find him annoying because he knows fuck all about metal that isn't anything 100% mainstream or the latest trendy band that he is pushing.
I watched a few of That Metal Show episodes the other week for the first time and I was stunned at just how non informed the three of them are. It was infuriating to watch honestly.
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A few things that come to mind.
1. It’s wild that (it seems like) MP already recorded two albums at the new DT HQ before Mangini even recorded one.
2. It’s insane that we’re getting a new DT album, a new LTE album, and a new Transatlantic album in the same year.
3. I wonder if JP used his new 8 string one LTE. 🤔
Back to 1999 ;D
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....and in 1999 also James LaBrie had a solo album, don't forget his acoustic project coming soon!
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Haha sorry to bring Eddie Trunk up, yeah he's very hard to listen to. I used to enjoy listening to his show a lot more when he would actually talk with the hosts and converse and the whole thing would be fun. His interview with Axl and Sebastian Bach was great back when Axl was a severe recluse and Chinese Democracy wasn't out. Axl just randomly decided to show up on his show and they didn't even talk about GnR, just general stuff and it was great.
I tuned in to one of his show a few years back when Metallica were honored with something, not sure if it was the R&R hall of fame thing. But Eddie lost his shit when Lady Gaga performed a Metallica song and he had no clue who she was and very flippant about the whole thing. It was old man yelling at cloud level ranting, I tuned him out and haven't listened to him since. With the lone exception being JP's appearance on the show.
My favorite Eddie Trunk/MP forum memory is way back when the forum was online and MP or the admin would announce and make a sticky thread regarding MP's upcoming interview on ET. I posted and remember being the only one mentioning this in the thread something along the lines of.. "I love when MP comes on ET show, it's always such a fun show but If I have to listen to Eddie rant non stop about how Kiss isn't in the Rock and Roll Hall of fame, I'm out"
When MP came on the show, sure enough, Eddie started ranting right away about Kiss and MP cut him off "I know I know it's a grave injustice but, let's talk about something else"
I was like YES MP read my post!
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I remember one of the Eddie Trunk shows that MP had come on along with maybe someone else (can't remember) they were taking questions from listeners and one of them said told MP that he's been a fan since day one and my favorite album is WDADU, bar none. And MP had this very quizzical response almost bewildered that 20 years later in their career (I think the interview was around Systematic Chaos) there were people that ranked the 1st album as their favorite, I distinctly remember the tone of his voice when he said "really? OK"
MPs interview with Eddie Trunk were always the best before podcasts, youtube, etc.. took hold.
I think I might actually remember this interview. It might have been the same one where Eddie went to go play pull me under and MP was like stop, let's play something from the new album.
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I find Eddie Trunk annoying because he interrupts the people he's interviewing wayyyyy too much. :tdwn
I find him annoying because he knows fuck all about metal that isn't anything 100% mainstream or the latest trendy band that he is pushing.
Eddie Trunk loves Kiss, Scorpions, Priest, Maiden, Van Halen and UFO. He doesn't care about anything else.
And I'm sorry, but despite the "Stump The Trunk" bit - which I clobbered him on everything except the thrash stuff - he's mostly just memorization. Reciting album track lists, and shit. Except for the bands he worked with - Ace, Metallica, and a couple obscure LA bands - I'm not sure he even knows fuck all about the stuff he LIKES. Every STT bit ended with him getting it wrong and arguing about a technicality with Don Jamison and Jim Florentine.
The only reason I listen to him (and I don't much anymore) is because he has great guests, and you could reasonably get through if you called in. When I was in Erie, PA on a work assignment, by myself, I would come home on Mondays, make dinner and a drink, and listen to his show and call in when I could. Then, I'd go out to a bar to watch Monday night football.
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I remember one of the Eddie Trunk shows that MP had come on along with maybe someone else (can't remember) they were taking questions from listeners and one of them said told MP that he's been a fan since day one and my favorite album is WDADU, bar none. And MP had this very quizzical response almost bewildered that 20 years later in their career (I think the interview was around Systematic Chaos) there were people that ranked the 1st album as their favorite, I distinctly remember the tone of his voice when he said "really? OK"
MPs interview with Eddie Trunk were always the best before podcasts, youtube, etc.. took hold.
I think I might actually remember this interview. It might have been the same one where Eddie went to go play pull me under and MP was like stop, let's play something from the new album.
You might be right, there were many shows that MP would just tune out when they wanted to play DT tracks, esp those like PMU or anything from SFAM because they had played that album to death a few years back.
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Haha sorry to bring Eddie Trunk up, yeah he's very hard to listen to. I used to enjoy listening to his show a lot more when he would actually talk with the hosts and converse and the whole thing would be fun. His interview with Axl and Sebastian Bach was great back when Axl was a severe recluse and Chinese Democracy wasn't out. Axl just randomly decided to show up on his show and they didn't even talk about GnR, just general stuff and it was great.
I tuned in to one of his show a few years back when Metallica were honored with something, not sure if it was the R&R hall of fame thing. But Eddie lost his shit when Lady Gaga performed a Metallica song and he had no clue who she was and very flippant about the whole thing. It was old man yelling at cloud level ranting, I tuned him out and haven't listened to him since. With the lone exception being JP's appearance on the show.
My favorite Eddie Trunk/MP forum memory is way back when the forum was online and MP or the admin would announce and make a sticky thread regarding MP's upcoming interview on ET. I posted and remember being the only one mentioning this in the thread something along the lines of.. "I love when MP comes on ET show, it's always such a fun show but If I have to listen to Eddie rant non stop about how Kiss isn't in the Rock and Roll Hall of fame, I'm out"
When MP came on the show, sure enough, Eddie started ranting right away about Kiss and MP cut him off "I know I know it's a grave injustice but, let's talk about something else"
I was like YES MP read my post!
Eddie Trunk is the Personification of the Metalhead Persona. One that is all :metal and no Sissy music. He came from the era where Metallica cutting their hair was Sacrilege to The Metal Community, and Metal Persona. To me, he sucks up a lot just to not be labelled as a Metal Head.
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Even back when I was only listening to metal, I was never really a 'fly the flag' kind of guy. I never really understood that. It's why I like Maiden over Priest. And Trunk is a hypocrite like that; he hates when metal gets slandered, then, well, slanders other music. C'mon. We're not 12 anymore.
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Haha sorry to bring Eddie Trunk up, yeah he's very hard to listen to. I used to enjoy listening to his show a lot more when he would actually talk with the hosts and converse and the whole thing would be fun. His interview with Axl and Sebastian Bach was great back when Axl was a severe recluse and Chinese Democracy wasn't out. Axl just randomly decided to show up on his show and they didn't even talk about GnR, just general stuff and it was great.
I tuned in to one of his show a few years back when Metallica were honored with something, not sure if it was the R&R hall of fame thing. But Eddie lost his shit when Lady Gaga performed a Metallica song and he had no clue who she was and very flippant about the whole thing. It was old man yelling at cloud level ranting, I tuned him out and haven't listened to him since. With the lone exception being JP's appearance on the show.
My favorite Eddie Trunk/MP forum memory is way back when the forum was online and MP or the admin would announce and make a sticky thread regarding MP's upcoming interview on ET. I posted and remember being the only one mentioning this in the thread something along the lines of.. "I love when MP comes on ET show, it's always such a fun show but If I have to listen to Eddie rant non stop about how Kiss isn't in the Rock and Roll Hall of fame, I'm out"
When MP came on the show, sure enough, Eddie started ranting right away about Kiss and MP cut him off "I know I know it's a grave injustice but, let's talk about something else"
I was like YES MP read my post!
Eddie Trunk is the Personification of the Metalhead Persona. One that is all :metal and no Sissy music. He came from the era where Metallica cutting their hair was Sacrilege to The Metal Community, and Metal Persona. To me, he sucks up a lot just to not be labelled as a Metal Head.
Does he? He seems pretty into some of the more froufrou hair metal as well (I can say that because I was too back in the day), including stuff like Poison and Winger. The first time I ever heard of him was when he used to show up on VH1 shows in the late 90s/early 00s talking about hair metal.
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Haha sorry to bring Eddie Trunk up, yeah he's very hard to listen to. I used to enjoy listening to his show a lot more when he would actually talk with the hosts and converse and the whole thing would be fun. His interview with Axl and Sebastian Bach was great back when Axl was a severe recluse and Chinese Democracy wasn't out. Axl just randomly decided to show up on his show and they didn't even talk about GnR, just general stuff and it was great.
I tuned in to one of his show a few years back when Metallica were honored with something, not sure if it was the R&R hall of fame thing. But Eddie lost his shit when Lady Gaga performed a Metallica song and he had no clue who she was and very flippant about the whole thing. It was old man yelling at cloud level ranting, I tuned him out and haven't listened to him since. With the lone exception being JP's appearance on the show.
My favorite Eddie Trunk/MP forum memory is way back when the forum was online and MP or the admin would announce and make a sticky thread regarding MP's upcoming interview on ET. I posted and remember being the only one mentioning this in the thread something along the lines of.. "I love when MP comes on ET show, it's always such a fun show but If I have to listen to Eddie rant non stop about how Kiss isn't in the Rock and Roll Hall of fame, I'm out"
When MP came on the show, sure enough, Eddie started ranting right away about Kiss and MP cut him off "I know I know it's a grave injustice but, let's talk about something else"
I was like YES MP read my post!
Eddie Trunk is the Personification of the Metalhead Persona. One that is all :metal and no Sissy music. He came from the era where Metallica cutting their hair was Sacrilege to The Metal Community, and Metal Persona. To me, he sucks up a lot just to not be labelled as a Metal Head.
Does he? He seems pretty into some of the more froufrou hair metal as well (I can say that because I was too back in the day), including stuff like Poison and Winger. The first time I ever heard of him was when he used to show up on VH1 shows in the late 90s/early 00s talking about hair metal.
Him showing up on VH1 talking about hair metal, is what I meant by he came from the era. I guess, it's when he rose to fame, in the era when Metallica cut their hair. That was when the 80's Hair Metal declared it's death. :rollin :rollin
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But now he rants about the term "hair metal". Three quick ways to rile him up, in no partiocular order:
- The Grammys
- the term "hair metal"
- the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame
(Honorable mention: Tommy and Eric in the Spaceman/cat makeup)
He's as predictable as a wind up toy.
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So I don't listen to any of his podcasts. I would have no idea where to find them, but I will listen to reruns on youtube if he has a guest on that I'm interested in.
And I personally love That Metal Show. I love the format, and I only wish they were hourlong episodes. The main problem I have with the show is the editing. There's no cohesiveness. The show never is allowed to breath.
I generally like Eddie Trunk. He's living my dream. Sure he can be a little douchey but his access to my generation's musicians is incredible.
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And I'm sorry, but despite the "Stump The Trunk" bit - which I clobbered him on everything except the thrash stuff - he's mostly just memorization. Reciting album track lists, and shit. Except for the bands he worked with - Ace, Metallica, and a couple obscure LA bands - I'm not sure he even knows fuck all about the stuff he LIKES. Every STT bit ended with him getting it wrong and arguing about a technicality with Don Jamison and Jim Florentine.
Especially when MP was on the show and Eddie couldn't answer simple DT questions that any DT fan would know.
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Even back when I was only listening to metal, I was never really a 'fly the flag' kind of guy. I never really understood that. It's why I like Maiden over Priest. And Trunk is a hypocrite like that; he hates when metal gets slandered, then, well, slanders other music. C'mon. We're not 12 anymore.
He's the guy you see as concerts still wearing his Iron Maiden t-shirt he has owned since 1988 and still sporting the same mullet.
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So, to kinda steer this thread back to LTE from ETL (Eddie Trunk Lectures), I wanted to go back and look at the track list in more detail.
An italian webzine has the tracklist:
01. Hypersonic (8:22)
02. Beating The Odds (6:09)
03. Liquid Evolution (3:23)
04. The Passage Of Time (7:32)
05. Chris & Kevin’s Amazing Odyssey (5:04)
06. Rhapsody In Blue (13:16)
07. Shades Of Hope (4:42)
08. Key To The Imagination (13:14)
Adding that "the second disc will contain more than an hour of jams and improvs".
The album has 61 minutes and 42 seconds of music, but subtracting "Rhapsody In Blue" (since it is a cover, based on their previously performed version from 2008), there's 48:26 of original, new music. I wonder if they'll talk about why they included RIB on the album during the studio interview that is included on the blu-ray. Maybe they were pressed for time and couldn't come up with more music, or perhaps they decided from the get-go to do a studio version of RIB anyway?
Gotta say, I really enjoy the track titles. The teaser comming from "Hypersonic", it definitely sounds like a suitable title, and probably has the same kind of fast and heavy vibe that "Paradigm Shift" and "Acid Rain" have, meaning, it'll probably be an amazing album opener.
"Liquid Evolution" is only their second song with "Liquid" in the title, so I wonder if it's related or similar to "Liquid Dreams" from LTE2?
"Chris & Kevin's Amazing Odyssey" sounds like it'll be another Drums/Bass focused piece, but I am still sad that they didn't title it "Chris & Kevin Face The Music" since we already had "Excellent Adventure" and "Bogus Journey"!
Of course, the prog-head in me is really curious about the closing epic, "Key To The Imagination". I'm sure it'll spawn comparisons to their other epic, "When The Water Breaks", but I hope it'll be more unique and different than what they've done before.
As for the 2nd disc of improv jams, I assume this might sound like "Three Minute Warning" and the live jams that they did during their 10th anniversary tour in 2008. I wonder if any of the jams were ideas they turned into songs, or if everything presented on the second disc will all be ideas that they jammed on but did not use for the final 7 new songs? Either way, we are getting an HOUR of them, which says to me that, even though they only composed about 48 minutes of new material, they definitely had a lot of time to jam, which brings me back to the point that they may not have had a lot of time in the studio to write/arrange proper songs, and decided to release the unused ideas/jams as a bonus since they only produced 48 minutes of composed material (which is just a bit longer than their first album had, minute "Three Minute Warning").
-Marc.
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So I don't listen to any of his podcasts. I would have no idea where to find them, but I will listen to reruns on youtube if he has a guest on that I'm interested in.
And I personally love That Metal Show. I love the format, and I only wish they were hourlong episodes. The main problem I have with the show is the editing. There's no cohesiveness. The show never is allowed to breath.
I generally like Eddie Trunk. He's living my dream. Sure he can be a little douchey but his access to my generation's musicians is incredible.
Even though I bag on him, that's why I still watch him.
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I generally like Eddie Trunk. He's living my dream. Sure he can be a little douchey but his access to my generation's musicians is incredible.
This is me. I have never disliked him and never quite got the hate. It seemed like a bunch of jealous people ragging on a guy whose career they wish they had. To be clear, I am not calling out anyone here. This is just a general thought as I have seen the hate all over the place and just never understood it.
And to call out That Metal Show, he was always very clear that VH1 had rules about who could be on he show. He could only book guests whose videos were played on VH1 Classic. This greatly hindered his guest list so at times he had to get creative in how he squeezed in non-VH1 Classic guests. This is why it was always up TAC's alley. :biggrin:
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I generally like Eddie Trunk. He's living my dream. Sure he can be a little douchey but his access to my generation's musicians is incredible.
This is me. I have never disliked him and never quite got the hate. It seemed like a bunch of jealous people ragging on a guy whose career they wish they had. To be clear, I am not calling out anyone here. This is just a general thought as I have seen the hate all over the place and just never understood it.
And to call out That Metal Show, he was always very clear that VH1 had rules about who could be on he show. He could only book guests whose videos were played on VH1 Classic. This greatly hindered his guest list so at times he had to get creative in how he squeezed in non-VH1 Classic guests. This is why it was always up TAC's alley. :biggrin:
It's not EXACTLY true, but I'll cop to a LITTLE of that. :) :)
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Sorry for derailing the thread lol
I've been meaning to listen to the LTE albums and watch the live performances, before the new album drops. Might have to wait until I complete my Transatlantic listen first as I haven't listened to this stuff in ages and hard to imagine at one point in my life I would listen to nothing but LTE, TA and DT back to back.
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I think we all knew it was coming...eventually. :hefdaddy
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Ugh yes I do call WDADU my favourite DT album, I'm not saying its the best but for me it the most loved it's captures a time and spirit that is unique.
Top 3 for sure!
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I generally like Eddie Trunk. He's living my dream. Sure he can be a little douchey but his access to my generation's musicians is incredible.
This is me. I have never disliked him and never quite got the hate. It seemed like a bunch of jealous people ragging on a guy whose career they wish they had. To be clear, I am not calling out anyone here. This is just a general thought as I have seen the hate all over the place and just never understood it.
And to call out That Metal Show, he was always very clear that VH1 had rules about who could be on he show. He could only book guests whose videos were played on VH1 Classic. This greatly hindered his guest list so at times he had to get creative in how he squeezed in non-VH1 Classic guests. This is why it was always up TAC's alley. :biggrin:
Not so much hate as disengaging disinterest. Musical taste doesn't really overlap much though I'll admit I listened to his recordings of the prog cruises more for the guests.
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The full press release if anyone wants to see it here:
LIQUID TENSION EXPERIMENT
Announce details for new album ‘LTE3’
Album due out March 26th, 2021
2020 came to a close with LIQUID TENSION EXPERIMENT announcing their return and new album to be released on InsideOutMusic. Today, the legendary supergroup comprised of Mike Portnoy (Transatlantic, Sons of Apollo), John Petrucci (Dream Theater), Jordan Rudess (Dream Theater), and Tony Levin (King Crimson, Peter Gabriel) are pleased to officially announce that the new album ‘LTE3’ will be released on March 26th, 2021 via InsideOutMusic, twenty-two years after the bands’ last studio album.
“After over 20 years since the last time we recorded together, the four of us stepped into the studio and it was as if no time had passed at all! All of the magic that made the first two LTE albums so special was still there and we had such a great time making this record. I’m extremely proud of what we created together and can’t wait for everyone to hear it!” -John Petrucci
“The best thing to come out of 2020 was this long-awaited reunion! And it was surely worth the wait as after all these years, the magic chemistry was still there and stronger than ever!”-Mike Portnoy
LTE3 Tracklisting:
1. Hypersonic (8:22)
2. Beating The Odds (6:09)
3. Liquid Evolution (3:23)
4. The Passage Of Time (7:32)
5. Chris & Kevin’s Amazing Odyssey (5:04)
6. Rhapsody In Blue (13:16)
7. Shades Of Hope (4:42)
8. Key To The Imagination (13:14)
Bonus Disc:
Including almost an hour of improvised jams
The pre-order will start on January 22nd 2021 and the album will be available as:
•Limited deluxe hot pink 3LP+2CD+Blu-ray Box Set (incl. a poster and 4 artcards, Blu-ray includes a 5.1 surround mix with visuals, and full band interview from the studio)
•Limited 2CD+Blu-ray Artbook
•Limited 2CD Digipak
•Gatefold black 2LP+CD
• Digital album (2CD)
Watch the recently released teaser trailer, created by Christian Rios, here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRvCuDIMIzo&feature=youtu.be
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/138265081_5318367248180874_5711394653400679825_o.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=2&_nc_sid=110474&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=bZzfgxIuTWsAX_9VtFm&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&tp=14&oh=224b48b762b07d3ae94bab2e262898e7&oe=602044FF)
I'll either get the boxset or the artbook, depending on how expensive the boxset will be. This was the best news to wake up to on a Monday morning!
-Marc.
Looks like I'm being herded toward the earbook/artbook again. (I'd prefer they just toss the DVD/Bluray in with the CDs which seems like an obvious option to me.
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Wonder if they will release a "single" or an additional snippet on the 22nd when I guess it is communicated where one can preorder...(as far as I can see there is no links etc to distributors for placement of pre-orders in the last official statement).
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Wonder if they will release a "single" or an additional snippet on the 22nd when I guess it is communicated where one can preorder...(as far as I can see there is no links etc to distributors for placement of pre-orders in the last official statement).
If it's like other Inside Out releases, we can expect 2nor 3 singles. If we get three, they'll probably release this Friday the 22nd, then February 12th, and finally March 5th (every 3 weeks before release).
I'm gonna guess "Hypersonic" will be the first single. The other two...hmm, probably two of the next 3 tracks on the album.
-Marc.
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Wonder if they will release a "single" or an additional snippet on the 22nd when I guess it is communicated where one can preorder...(as far as I can see there is no links etc to distributors for placement of pre-orders in the last official statement).
If it's like other Inside Out releases, we can expect 2nor 3 singles. If we get three, they'll probably release this Friday the 22nd, then February 12th, and finally March 5th (every 3 weeks before release).
I'm gonna guess "Hypersonic" will be the first single. The other two...hmm, probably two of the next 3 tracks on the album.
-Marc.
But will there be a lyric video?
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You guys know I always complain about half of the album being released as singles and that I never listen to them :lol
But the thing I least understand is that from many InsideOut releases (and many albums released by other labels) the main single tends to be the opener. I would never (never) listen to the opener of an album if I can't listen to the rest of the album. To me, it's something special putting on a new album (or one I haven't heard yet) and hear how it begins. It's like with a concert: the beginning and finale are among the most important things (don't wanna say the most important). I think it's kind of sad that with many albums nowadays, this is given away.
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Wonder if they will release a "single" or an additional snippet on the 22nd when I guess it is communicated where one can preorder...(as far as I can see there is no links etc to distributors for placement of pre-orders in the last official statement).
If it's like other Inside Out releases, we can expect 2nor 3 singles. If we get three, they'll probably release this Friday the 22nd, then February 12th, and finally March 5th (every 3 weeks before release).
I'm gonna guess "Hypersonic" will be the first single. The other two...hmm, probably two of the next 3 tracks on the album.
-Marc.
But will there be a lyric video?
:rollin
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Wonder if they will release a "single" or an additional snippet on the 22nd when I guess it is communicated where one can preorder...(as far as I can see there is no links etc to distributors for placement of pre-orders in the last official statement).
If it's like other Inside Out releases, we can expect 2nor 3 singles. If we get three, they'll probably release this Friday the 22nd, then February 12th, and finally March 5th (every 3 weeks before release).
I'm gonna guess "Hypersonic" will be the first single. The other two...hmm, probably two of the next 3 tracks on the album.
-Marc.
But will there be a lyric video?
:rollin
I just got that....
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You know those karaoke videos that have like a bouncing ball over nothing to count in before the lyrics show up?
They need a whole video of that.
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Was just thinking - I'll bet this is going to be the first JaM Productions album in like 12 years.
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Who's ready?
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Who's ready?
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:metal
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Who's ready?
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Ooooh that looks gorgeous. Any pictures of the artbook? I kind of want the box set but don't really need the vinyls, but it does look amazing, so I may just go for the artbook.
-Marc.
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Who's ready?
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Ooooh that looks gorgeous. Any pictures of the artbook? I kind of want the box set but don't really need the vinyls, but it does look amazing, so I may just go for the artbook.
-Marc.
Aparrently MP got mad and called out some people to get the image down.
I found it here: https://napalmrecords.com/deutsch/catalogsearch/result/?cat=0&q=LIQUID+TENSION+EXPERIMENT
A freagging legit place to get stuff!!!
BTW, there, you can see the artbook.
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Who's ready?
(https://i.ibb.co/xmv0Hv5/Captura-de-pantalla-2021-01-20-120231.png)
Ooooh that looks gorgeous. Any pictures of the artbook? I kind of want the box set but don't really need the vinyls, but it does look amazing, so I may just go for the artbook.
-Marc.
Aparrently MP got mad and called out some people to get the image down.
I found it here: https://napalmrecords.com/deutsch/catalogsearch/result/?cat=0&q=LIQUID+TENSION+EXPERIMENT
A freagging legit place to get stuff!!!
BTW, there, you can see the artbook.
So the Artbook will be about $45, the box set about $90. And the 2 LPs apparently only contain the main album on two vinyls, no bonus jams, which are all squeezed into the third LP in the box set (which seems to be the only place to get the improv jams on vinyl).
-Marc.
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Killer artwork! Really loving both this and the new TA.
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Nice! artbook seems reasonably priced if that holds.
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How many times can we post the same picture on the same page?
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Who's ready?
(https://i.ibb.co/xmv0Hv5/Captura-de-pantalla-2021-01-20-120231.png)
Ooooh that looks gorgeous. Any pictures of the artbook? I kind of want the box set but don't really need the vinyls, but it does look amazing, so I may just go for the artbook.
-Marc.
Aparrently MP got mad and called out some people to get the image down.
I found it here: https://napalmrecords.com/deutsch/catalogsearch/result/?cat=0&q=LIQUID+TENSION+EXPERIMENT
A freagging legit place to get stuff!!!
BTW, there, you can see the artbook.
So the Artbook will be about $45, the box set about $90. And the 2 LPs apparently only contain the main album on two vinyls, no bonus jams, which are all squeezed into the third LP in the box set (which seems to be the only place to get the improv jams on vinyl).
-Marc.
Do we already know how long exactly that bonus disk of jams is going to be? I recall it being around an hour, but that could also mean 50 minutes, which would be fine for one LP.
Yes.
How many times can we post the same picture on the same page?
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Who's ready?
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Ooooh that looks gorgeous. Any pictures of the artbook? I kind of want the box set but don't really need the vinyls, but it does look amazing, so I may just go for the artbook.
-Marc.
Aparrently MP got mad and called out some people to get the image down.
I found it here: https://napalmrecords.com/deutsch/catalogsearch/result/?cat=0&q=LIQUID+TENSION+EXPERIMENT
A freagging legit place to get stuff!!!
BTW, there, you can see the artbook.
So the Artbook will be about $45, the box set about $90. And the 2 LPs apparently only contain the main album on two vinyls, no bonus jams, which are all squeezed into the third LP in the box set (which seems to be the only place to get the improv jams on vinyl).
-Marc.
Do we already know how long exactly that bonus disk of jams is going to be? I recall it being around an hour, but that could also mean 50 minutes, which would be fine for one LP.
No, we don't, yet!
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By the way Jorge, where can I find this content?
Aparrently MP got mad and called out some people to get the image down.
I like that MP still gets mad over this kind of stuff :lol
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Kind of off-topic but is that Liquid Trio Experiment album worth listening to? I loved the vibe of some of the improv-y songs from 1 & 2 and could go for more of that sound.
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By the way Jorge, where can I find this content?
Aparrently MP got mad and called out some people to get the image down.
I like that MP still gets mad over this kind of stuff :lol
I found it here: https://napalmrecords.com/deutsch/catalogsearch/result/?cat=0&q=LIQUID+TENSION+EXPERIMENT
BTW, if you are in Japan you can now listen to The Passage of Time
https://open.spotify.com/track/6S2Tx1E2ZibjMF2B4lddyU
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By the way Jorge, where can I find this content?
Aparrently MP got mad and called out some people to get the image down.
I like that MP still gets mad over this kind of stuff :lol
I found it here: https://napalmrecords.com/deutsch/catalogsearch/result/?cat=0&q=LIQUID+TENSION+EXPERIMENT
BTW, if you are in Japan you can now listen to The Passage of Time
https://open.spotify.com/track/6S2Tx1E2ZibjMF2B4lddyU
I believe Fritzinger was asking where to find MP's comments about Napalm putting up preorder early, not the actual preorders themselves (as previously linked up thread).
Also, I guess I was wrong in guessing that "Hypersonic" would be the first single!
-Marc.
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By the way Jorge, where can I find this content?
Aparrently MP got mad and called out some people to get the image down.
I like that MP still gets mad over this kind of stuff :lol
I found it here: https://napalmrecords.com/deutsch/catalogsearch/result/?cat=0&q=LIQUID+TENSION+EXPERIMENT
BTW, if you are in Japan you can now listen to The Passage of Time
https://open.spotify.com/track/6S2Tx1E2ZibjMF2B4lddyU
I believe Fritzinger was asking where to find MP's comments about Napalm putting up preorder early, not the actual preorders themselves (as previously linked up thread).
Also, I guess I was wrong in guessing that "Hypersonic" would be the first single!
-Marc.
Oh, ok, it was sent privately to those of us who posted the images on the new LTE Fb forum and on the Neal Morse Forum as well.
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Kind of off-topic but is that Liquid Trio Experiment album worth listening to? I loved the vibe of some of the improv-y songs from 1 & 2 and could go for more of that sound.
I was just listening to Spontaneous Combustion the other day (or trying to), but it's just not my cup of tea. It basically sounds like what it is: a bunch of noodling in the studio while they were waiting for JP to come back.
However, I'm not really a fan of their improv-heavy stuff on the first two albums anyway (TMW, Chewbacca, etc), so if you are, you might like this one.
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Kind of off-topic but is that Liquid Trio Experiment album worth listening to? I loved the vibe of some of the improv-y songs from 1 & 2 and could go for more of that sound.
I was just listening to Spontaneous Combustion the other day (or trying to), but it's just not my cup of tea. It basically sounds like what it is: a bunch of noodling in the studio while they were waiting for JP to come back.
However, I'm not really a fan of their improv-heavy stuff on the first two albums anyway (TMW, Chewbacca, etc), so if you are, you might like this one.
I have listened to it like 3 times in my life, and those three times were like 12 years ago. It didn't catch me either.
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By the way Jorge, where can I find this content?
Aparrently MP got mad and called out some people to get the image down.
I like that MP still gets mad over this kind of stuff :lol
I found it here: https://napalmrecords.com/deutsch/catalogsearch/result/?cat=0&q=LIQUID+TENSION+EXPERIMENT
BTW, if you are in Japan you can now listen to The Passage of Time
https://open.spotify.com/track/6S2Tx1E2ZibjMF2B4lddyU
Wow, I love it. It sounds like late 2000s MP-era DT mixed with classic LTE. It's exactly what I was hoping for.
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Kind of off-topic but is that Liquid Trio Experiment album worth listening to? I loved the vibe of some of the improv-y songs from 1 & 2 and could go for more of that sound.
I was just listening to Spontaneous Combustion the other day (or trying to), but it's just not my cup of tea. It basically sounds like what it is: a bunch of noodling in the studio while they were waiting for JP to come back.
However, I'm not really a fan of their improv-heavy stuff on the first two albums anyway (TMW, Chewbacca, etc), so if you are, you might like this one.
Yeah that might be a bit too on the “aimless improv” path for me to really enjoy it. I know it’s an oxymoron but I like the improv that sounds more “composed”.
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it's a good mix of what LTE is about, and i'm hearing new things. BUT those are not explored and come and go. It includes everything LTE does, and i hope there are more concise songs on the album.
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https://open.spotify.com/album/1HfJ05T9bMOBLEPlp1i0dw?si=_xk2BfhQRJCaRf0efsHHMA
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Not available yet on the East Coast..
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Great track. Some great leads from JP. Don't want to give anything away to anyone, but I think people will enjoy.
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Yeah great song, classic LTE sounding, bring on the albums and it's endless formats...
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https://youtu.be/1OA6dc-sH0I
Interesting to note that the album was engineered by James Meslin, and mixed by Rich Mouser!
One listen in and I like it. It's a good pick for a single, some nice heavy riffs but also the signature LTE sound throughout. The writing seems very LTE, trying not to sound TOO MUCH like modern DT. It definitely sounds like something I could only hear Portnoy and Levin playing with Rudess and Petrucci rather than Mancini and Myung.
I cannot wait to hear the rest of the album! The next 10 weeks are gonna be rough, but the time will go by fast with all the Transatlantic material to listen to!
-Marc.
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Love it!
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https://youtu.be/1OA6dc-sH0I
Interesting to note that the album was engineered by James Meslin, and mixed by Rich Mouser!
One listen in and I like it. It's a good pick for a single, some nice heavy riffs but also the signature LTE sound throughout. The writing seems very LTE, trying not to sound TOO MUCH like modern DT. It definitely sounds like something I could only hear Portnoy and Levin playing with Rudess and Petrucci rather than Mancini and Myung.
I cannot wait to hear the rest of the album! The next 10 weeks are gonna be rough, but the time will go by fast with all the Transatlantic material to listen to!
-Marc.
Wow! I loved that! It’s like they picked up exactly where they left off. Like if they had tried to make this in like 2002 or something this is what I would have expected it to sound like. Even the drumming, there’s something distinctly LTE about it. This is really cool.
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Agreed! I tried paying careful attention to Mike's drumming and it's as frantic as it ever has been, especially within the realm of LTE. It sounds like he's playing just like you'd expect him too (which could be a plus or a minus depending on how you feel about his drumming). At any rate, it definitely suits the music. Jordan's keyboard sounds are very reminiscent of the first two LTE albums as well.
I think they may have made a conscious effort to maintain the "LTE sound" for this album, but it still sounds fresh. I guess being over 20 years later, anything new is fresh.
-Marc.
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Just pre-ordered the Artbook from Laser CD. $42.40 including shipping.
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Agreed! I tried paying careful attention to Mike's drumming and it's as frantic as it ever has been, especially within the realm of LTE. It sounds like he's playing just like you'd expect him too (which could be a plus or a minus depending on how you feel about his drumming). At any rate, it definitely suits the music. Jordan's keyboard sounds are very reminiscent of the first two LTE albums as well.
I think they may have made a conscious effort to maintain the "LTE sound" for this album, but it still sounds fresh. I guess being over 20 years later, anything new is fresh.
-Marc.
See, to me MP’s drumming has the same kind of life that he had back then. It does *sound* like his drumming back then, but it sounds more creative than it has in more recent years to me if that makes sense. And I agree there is also an aspect of it sounding fresh despite it sounding like LTE. JP’s tone is really nice too.
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Links to Century Media's preorders show the track names for the 2nd disc:
Blink of an Eye
Solid Resolution Theory
View from the Mountaintop
Your Beard Is Good
Ya Mon
The 3rd LP in the box set shows that it omits one track from the vinyl:
LP 3:
Side E
Blink of an Eye
Your Beard Is Good
Side F
Solid Resolution Theory
Ya Mon
https://centurymedia.store/search/?storeId=4987&includeArtistSearch=false&searchTerm=Liquid+Tension+Experiment+
The 8 songs on the new LTE3 are a mix of 4 fully composed tracks, 2 duets, 1 on-the-fly jam and 1 meticulously arranged cover. “We composed four songs. We realized that that was the same with the first 2 albums. So, this time around we did the same,” Portnoy explains. Jordan Rudess agrees, “It felt like a continuation, like we stopped recording LTE2 and walked in a week later we're doing LTE3. I know it's amazing to say, but time has passed in a moment, the blink of an eye, the chemistry is the chemistry, and it didn't change. It was great back then and it still is.” Petrucci comments: “Who would think that a bunch of guys our age would be playing like that? It's relentless. It's definitely like a statement, you know we're back. It follows in the Liquid Tension Experiment tradition absolutely, which is, that when you press play, it steamrolls you.”
My guesses on which songs were which...
Four Composed Songs: Hypersonic, Beating The Odds, The Passage Of Time, and Key To The Imagination
Two Duets - based on titles alone, probably Chris & Kevin (another drum/bass duet) and Shades Of Hope (the guitar/keys duet)
One Jam - Gonna guess it's Liquid Evolution
One Cover - Rhapsody In Blue, obviously
Also cool to note, the 5.1 Surround Sound mix has a visualizer element to it, similar to the 5.1 Ultimate Mix of the upcoming Transatlantic album! I wonder if Mike worked on the LTE one as well.
Preorder links at Laser CD (https://www.lasercd.com/search_results?f%5B0%5D=field_glossary%3Al&f%5B1%5D=cp_artist1%3A2418&sort_by=cp_artist1_name&order=asc) are cheaper. The box set comes to less than $90 after (cheapest) shipping. Not bad - cheaper than I expected based on the European prices posted earlier in the thread.
-Marc.
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ordered the box set from century media, love the single! :metal :metal
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Did they just make ITPOE again.... :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Nah...This is exactly what I was talking about with hearing all of their influences and musical learnings they gained, since their last album.
I really do hope they have one similar to Freedom of Speech, in terms of the build-ups. With this current tone and sound they got going on, it'd be pretty damn epic.
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Solid Resolution Theory is a clever title, being antonyms to the words of the band's name. Liquid/Solid, Tension/Resolution, Experiment/Theory.
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Great song! Amazing musicianship from every person.
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HERE'S THE OFFICIAL VIDEO:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWP4JLUxiqY&feature=emb_logo
"’The Passage of Time’ was the very first song we composed together when we reunited this past summer. It was so exciting to be back in a room creating together again after so long (22 years for all 4 of us and over 10 years for the 3 of us since being together in DT).
This serves as a great first taste for the listeners as it combines so many of the musical elements that makes LTE unique"
-Mike Portnoy
“This was the first song we worked on and when it was done, we all knew once again how amazing it was to be working together. We knew we were on to something and that this was going to be a really amazing album. Nothing about the passage of over two decades could’ve done anything to change that. To me this song truly reflects the collaborative songwriting efforts of all four of us.”
-John Petrucci
There is an undeniable chemistry that happens when the four of us are together. Entering the studio and starting work on ‘The Passage of Time’ after 22 years literally gave me a whole new perspective on these important musical (and personal) relationships and the way time is so relative. We just jumped right in, it was like no time had passed at all, and we created a song that has so many of the elements that make LTE unique. Not a day has gone by since our last release when I wasn’t asked, “When is LTE getting back together again?” Now we can finally deliver, and I can’t wait for everybody to hear our creation.”
-Jordan Rudess
“From the murky depths of the lockdown, LTE has re-emerged, galvanized, dripping with ideas, and taking no prisoners. ‘The Passage of Time’ is just the beginning.”
-Tony Levin
Today also marks the start of the pre-order and the album will be available in the following formats:
•Limited deluxe hot pink 3LP+2CD+Blu-ray Box Set (incl. a poster and 4 artcards, Blu-ray incl. a 5.1 surround mix with visuals, and full band interview from the studio)
•Limited 2CD+Blu-ray Artbook
•Limited 2CD Digipak
•Gatefold black 2LP+CD
• Digital album (2CD)
You can pre-order ‘LTE3’ now here: https://liquidtensionex.lnk.to/LTE3/
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Artbook is decently priced. Preordered.
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Ordered artbook, 2cd, and black vinyl for $42 bucks! Forgot I had a lot of points available through LaserCD.
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Like the new track a lot :metal
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Oh yes, that ruled ;D
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HERE'S THE OFFICIAL VIDEO:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWP4JLUxiqY&feature=emb_logo
Shots from the video:
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yeaaah happy news for 2021!
are they in the same studio on end part?
damn outro!
hi - i'm clinks63 and still alive..
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On a completely unrelated note: MP looks hella old.
On a completey related note: the track rocked. It wasn’t anything life-changing but it was really good. Pumped for the album/not pumped for the “the tr00 DT is back”/finally drums that don’t sound like
shit comments. For once, I wish people had the emotional maturity to enjoy this without having to relate it to Dream Theater in any way.
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On a completely unrelated note: MP looks hella old.
On a completey related note: the track rocked. It wasn’t anything life-changing but it was really good. Pumped for the album/not pumped for the “the tr00 DT is back”/finally drums that doesn’t sound like
shit comments. For once, I wish people had the emotional maturity to enjoy this without having to relate it to Dream Theater in any way.
I didn't see any posts like that, sometimes it's better not to give ideas to trolls
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Pre-ordered the boxset, didn't listen to the song. Very excited!
Maybe MP could use a haircut though ;D
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My problem is that no I didn't like it..
I friggin' LOVED it! Their chemistry stands the test of time, it's like no day has gone by between them. The guitars sound amazing, the keyboards add that spirit of LTE, the drums as always have so much power and taste that serve the song and last but not least the bass sounds killer with that tone!
I can't wait to get it!
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On a completely unrelated note: MP looks hella old.
On a completey related note: the track rocked. It wasn’t anything life-changing but it was really good. Pumped for the album/not pumped for the “the tr00 DT is back”/finally drums that doesn’t sound like
shit comments. For once, I wish people had the emotional maturity to enjoy this without having to relate it to Dream Theater in any way.
I didn't see any posts like that, sometimes it's better not to give ideas to trolls
I did, all over my Facebook feed. It’s annoying af.
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For the curious, Burning Shed has provided track times for the bonus disc:
CD2
1 Blink of an Eye 00:10:28
2 Solid Resolution Theory 00:10:02
3 View from the Mountaintop 00:05:24
4 Your Beard Is Good 00:14:31
5 Ya Mon 00:15:24
And on the 3rd vinyl LP in the box set:
E
1 Blink of an Eye 00:10:28
2 Your Beard Is Good 00:14:31
F
1 Solid Resolution Theory 00:10:02
2 Ya Mon 00:15:24
If anyone wants to preorder from Burning Shed -
https://burningshed.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=59_261
-Marc.
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Here's a rundown for those who love to collect vinyl colors (The deluxe version with 3 pink LP is sold everywhere):
· Clear (Limited to 300 copies): https://buff.ly/363n5uE
· Light Blue (Limited to 300 copies): https://buff.ly/3oaPo0l (US) | https://buff.ly/395URB9 (Europe)
· Transparent Blue (Limited to 300 copies): https://buff.ly/3iA6Nyt
· Neon Yellow (Limited to 200 copies): https://buff.ly/3c3FLOs
· Transparent Red (Limited to 200 copies): https://buff.ly/3qIfb1x
· Gold (Limited to 300 copies): https://buff.ly/3o9kBkC
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That sounded pretty good! :tup
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Greatness!!! Good on MP for the NP shirt.. :tup
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That was great, so fun seeing them back together. :tup
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Good lord, the new track is like a vaccine for my musical malaise! Can't wait to hear the rest of it.
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Who's ready?
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Ooooh that looks gorgeous. Any pictures of the artbook? I kind of want the box set but don't really need the vinyls, but it does look amazing, so I may just go for the artbook.
-Marc.
Aparrently MP got mad and called out some people to get the image down.
I found it here: https://napalmrecords.com/deutsch/catalogsearch/result/?cat=0&q=LIQUID+TENSION+EXPERIMENT
A freagging legit place to get stuff!!!
BTW, there, you can see the artbook.
So the Artbook will be about $45, the box set about $90. And the 2 LPs apparently only contain the main album on two vinyls, no bonus jams, which are all squeezed into the third LP in the box set (which seems to be the only place to get the improv jams on vinyl).
-Marc.
Do we already know how long exactly that bonus disk of jams is going to be? I recall it being around an hour, but that could also mean 50 minutes, which would be fine for one LP.
Yes.
How many times can we post the same picture on the same page?
CD2
1 Blink of an Eye 00:10:28
2 Solid Resolution Theory 00:10:02
3 View from the Mountaintop 00:05:24
4 Your Beard Is Good 00:14:31
5 Ya Mon 00:15:24
55 minutes and 09 secs
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WOW. Ever since "Tattoo" from VanHalen, and the snippets from DT12, I've avoided the pre-release material like the plague (I have yet to hear one of the new Transatlantic songs) but I checked this out just to see the band. WOW. WOW. What great song. I really liked that a lot. Tony even wore his work goggles ("let's get to work, boys!"). I really liked that a lot and I'm eager for the rest. They sound as energized as Jordan seemed to imply in his interview.
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Liquid Tension Experiment | The Passage of Time Guitar Tab (https://youtu.be/3CBQedtYGtI)
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I'm too much invested into vocals to fully dive into instrumental music, but this song is quite good. Loved the melodic part around 5:30 or so.
It's funny they named a song "The Passage of Time" while it's clear that, for them, it didn't really pass and they just restarted from where they stopped two decades ago :hefdaddy
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Nice, just ordered the box set. The single is MONSTROUS :hefdaddy
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I'm too much invested into vocals to fully dive into instrumental music, but this song is quite good. Loved the melodic part around 5:30 or so.
Exactly. I can usually only take stuff like this in small doses, but this was a very tasty track.
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Well, actually for me I don't listen to any instrumental music other than Liquid Tension Experiment. I've tried a few other bands but they never seem to be able to hold my interest, but LTE's music is just so damned good. There is something about this particular mix of musicians that produces some of the best progressive metal style music in existence. That song is a prime example of that.
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Kinda gave me goosebumps seeing MP playing with JP/JR again using the Majesty symbol branded octobans. Definitely got chills at the 7:17 section of the video. Killer visual.
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Kinda gave me goosebumps seeing MP playing with JP/JR again using the Majesty symbol branded octobans. Definitely got chills at the 7:17 section of the video. Killer visual.
I didn't want to say it, but yeah, there was some excitement there.
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My parents taught me if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.
I'll just say hi to everyone. For some reason, very little of LTE clicks with me, and this follows suit.
:dunno:
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Thoroughly enjoyed the new track. Can't wait.
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Wonderful song. Tastefully LTE. Some initial impressions (they're all positive)
JP's tone. His scales, runs, & sweeps are cleaner than my grandma's kitchen.
Rudess' nod to Keith Emerson at 0:40
Rudess' lead from 5:00 to 5:46 is one of his best leads ever.
Levin's playing, tone, and chapman stick!!!!!
MP's Neal Peart tank top.
MP's playing is very tasteful. It fits the song.
The section from 2:01 to 2:41
Kinda Rush sounding from 4:04 to 4:12
The orchestral section from 5:47 to 6:17 is epic. It might be my favorite part of the song.
I liked it all.
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I went for the Japan Blu-Spec CD2 version. I'll wait and see on the other versions, high shipping costs to AU for the huge box set.
https://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/SICP-31424
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Looking forward to cranking this up when I get home later. :tup :tup
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This new track hits pretty hard.
Ordered the artbook.
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As far as I can remember, Mike has never positioned octobans where he has for this recording. I could hear a few times where he utilized them as two, quick hit accents and it's a nice change. Generally, his Max Splash stacks are where the octobans are positioned and he would frequently use them as accents. Few spins under my belt, this song rocks!
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Hot damn. New song is awesome!!!
Although, nothing surprising (besides some really really killer playing by JP) it checks all the boxes. Passage of Time is the perfect title, it re-establishes the LTE sound we all know and love, smacks you in the face and says “after all this time, we still kick ass”. “WE ARE BACK”.
Portnoy + Petrucci forever
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I thought that was just solid.
I mean, I loved the first two albums and it's only one listen, but we've just heard this all before. It just all sounds the same to me now a little. There's heaps of DT in here but also this track could be on a Petrucci solo album for me. I feel the personality for each project starts to gel into each other. Maybe it's the production these days, not sure. I'll have to listen again though, there were some very nice sections.
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I thought that was just solid.
I mean, I loved the first two albums and it's only one listen, but we've just heard this all before. It just all sounds the same to me now a little. There's heaps of DT in here but also this track could be on a Petrucci solo album for me. I feel the personality for each project starts to gel into each other. Maybe it's the production these days, not sure. I'll have to listen again though, there were some very nice sections.
I would agree here, this track is fairly “safe”. Hopefully they get a lil...weird...on the other tracks.
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I thought that was just solid.
I mean, I loved the first two albums and it's only one listen, but we've just heard this all before. It just all sounds the same to me now a little. There's heaps of DT in here but also this track could be on a Petrucci solo album for me. I feel the personality for each project starts to gel into each other. Maybe it's the production these days, not sure. I'll have to listen again though, there were some very nice sections.
I would agree here, this track is fairly “safe”. Hopefully they get a lil...weird...on the other tracks.
Safe is probably a good word. Yeah, I expected more craziness in the instrumentation really, this seems run of the mill and a track they wrote with their eyes closed.
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Yeah pretty much the same. Still looking forward to the album though.
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I thought that was just solid.
I mean, I loved the first two albums and it's only one listen, but we've just heard this all before. It just all sounds the same to me now a little. There's heaps of DT in here but also this track could be on a Petrucci solo album for me. I feel the personality for each project starts to gel into each other. Maybe it's the production these days, not sure. I'll have to listen again though, there were some very nice sections.
I agree it’s not “new ground” per se, but it grabbed me the same way the previous LTE material did and stuff like JP’s solo album and recent DT hasn’t. I’m pretty excited for a return to the old days of sorts.
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I thought that was just solid.
I mean, I loved the first two albums and it's only one listen, but we've just heard this all before. It just all sounds the same to me now a little. There's heaps of DT in here but also this track could be on a Petrucci solo album for me. I feel the personality for each project starts to gel into each other. Maybe it's the production these days, not sure. I'll have to listen again though, there were some very nice sections.
I agree it’s not “new ground” per se, but it grabbed me the same way the previous LTE material did and stuff like JP’s solo album and recent DT hasn’t. I’m pretty excited for a return to the old days of sorts.
That's what's missing I guess for me, but my tastes have heavily changed from back then. I'm hoping I'll grow to love it. It's excellent seeing them back together again.
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I thought that was just solid.
I mean, I loved the first two albums and it's only one listen, but we've just heard this all before. It just all sounds the same to me now a little. There's heaps of DT in here but also this track could be on a Petrucci solo album for me. I feel the personality for each project starts to gel into each other. Maybe it's the production these days, not sure. I'll have to listen again though, there were some very nice sections.
I agree it’s not “new ground” per se, but it grabbed me the same way the previous LTE material did and stuff like JP’s solo album and recent DT hasn’t. I’m pretty excited for a return to the old days of sorts.
Same. From a marketing standpoint you probably want a safe, familiar sound to lead off the album with.
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Man... LOVE the new song!!! Can't wait for the album to drop!
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I need to go back and listen to this with headphones on, but from my initial listens, I must say that the mixing by Rich Mouser is pretty on point. He is one of the best in the industry, and pretty much every album that he's worked on has sounded VERY good to my ears. I was surprised to learn Rich mixed this one and that JP didn't get whoever mixed his solo album or even the earlier LTE albums (I'm not sure who they were), but if Mike proposed Rich to be the mixer, i'd say good on him - it was a great choice.
As for "The Passage Of Time" sounding safe - I think that was definitely deliberate. They wanted to announce their return with a track that would reel in existing fans and show them that they're still as great as they were twenty years ago (or thirteen if you count the 2008 anniversary tour they did). It also shows new fans who may be discovering them for the first time that this is *the* LTE sound, and it does a good job of doing that IMO. The teaser they released awhile back of "Hypersonic" sounds like it'll be a bit different than what we're used to with LTE, in that is sounds crunchier and riffier than usual, perhaps a tad bit more technical and proggy, but I have a feeling that we will get some very melodic stuff as well.
For anyone who hasn't heard their live rendition of "Rhapsody In Blue", I'm sure the album version will be a treat for them. Heck, I've heard their live version (particularly the LA one) probably a hundred times since the Live boxset came out in 2009, and I'm STILL looking forward to hearing how they've recorded it for this new album!
-Marc.
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Am I the only one that caught MP tank top?
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Am I the only one that caught MP tank top?
Wonderful song. Tastefully LTE. Some initial impressions (they're all positive)
JP's tone. His scales, runs, & sweeps are cleaner than my grandma's kitchen.
Rudess' nod to Keith Emerson at 0:40
Rudess' lead from 5:00 to 5:46 is one of his best leads ever.
Levin's playing, tone, and chapman stick!!!!!
MP's Neal Peart tank top.
MP's playing is very tasteful. It fits the song.
The section from 2:01 to 2:41
Kinda Rush sounding from 4:04 to 4:12
The orchestral section from 5:47 to 6:17 is epic. It might be my favorite part of the song.
I liked it all.
Nope, Anxiety35 did as well. I noticed it on my second viewing too. Very nice touch!
-Marc.
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My parents taught me if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.
I'll stand with you, in silence. :-X
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I like the new song
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My younger brother, who is as big a DT and LTE fan as I am, listened to the song first today and texted me, "Impressed, but bored. Sounds like they're practicing. You guys can play well, we get it." And I have to admit, that was my exact reaction when I listened to it tonight. I listened twice and cannot remember anything about it. I will probably just wait for the full album, but those first two LTE album felt like lightning in a bottle, and I do worry about being able to recapture that magic over 20 years later. It's not as simple as putting the same four guys together and getting just as good a results. Yes, the playing will be off the charts, but without great melodies, which just oozed out of the first two albums, the chops are just empty calories. Just my thought process after being underwhelmed. With any luck, my opinion will change when I hear the album and I will have to eat my words. :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Liked it but didn’t love it. Jordan is a little low in the mix for me which I can kind of accept with DT but less so with LTE when his keyboards have always been very integral to their sound. It does sound a little like a bunch of different riffs thrown together without much of a melody but it’s very early days as I’ve only heard it twice.
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Applying my usual refrain of not listening to anything until I get the album in my hands. But am very encouraged by the positive comments.
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Didn't think much of it but that's what I thought about half the LTE songs anyway.
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I need to go back and listen to this with headphones on, but from my initial listens, I must say that the mixing by Rich Mouser is pretty on point. He is one of the best in the industry, and pretty much every album that he's worked on has sounded VERY good to my ears. I was surprised to learn Rich mixed this one and that JP didn't get whoever mixed his solo album or even the earlier LTE albums (I'm not sure who they were), but if Mike proposed Rich to be the mixer, i'd say good on him - it was a great choice.
As for "The Passage Of Time" sounding safe - I think that was definitely deliberate. They wanted to announce their return with a track that would reel in existing fans and show them that they're still as great as they were twenty years ago (or thirteen if you count the 2008 anniversary tour they did). It also shows new fans who may be discovering them for the first time that this is *the* LTE sound, and it does a good job of doing that IMO. The teaser they released awhile back of "Hypersonic" sounds like it'll be a bit different than what we're used to with LTE, in that is sounds crunchier and riffier than usual, perhaps a tad bit more technical and proggy, but I have a feeling that we will get some very melodic stuff as well.
For anyone who hasn't heard their live rendition of "Rhapsody In Blue", I'm sure the album version will be a treat for them. Heck, I've heard their live version (particularly the LA one) probably a hundred times since the Live boxset came out in 2009, and I'm STILL looking forward to hearing how they've recorded it for this new album!f
-Marc.
I think they released The Passage of Time, as it is the first song they wrote together, and they see it as a good indication of how it feels like walking out that studio, so many years ago, and walking back in now to record a new album and it feeling as if no time has passed at all when they jammed their first jam. That name "The Passage of Time" says that as well. And is just cool as a first single based on that meaning of that song and the words "The Passage of Time" as it relates to us fans also hearing new music from them since forever.
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My younger brother, who is as big a DT and LTE fan as I am, listened to the song first today and texted me, "Impressed, but bored. Sounds like they're practicing. You guys can play well, we get it." And I have to admit, that was my exact reaction when I listened to it tonight. I listened twice and cannot remember anything about it. I will probably just wait for the full album, but those first two LTE album felt like lightning in a bottle, and I do worry about being able to recapture that magic over 20 years later. It's not as simple as putting the same four guys together and getting just as good a results. Yes, the playing will be off the charts, but without great melodies, which just oozed out of the first two albums, the chops are just empty calories. Just my thought process after being underwhelmed. With any luck, my opinion will change when I hear the album and I will have to eat my words. :biggrin: :biggrin:
Great description from your brother there.
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My younger brother, who is as big a DT and LTE fan as I am, listened to the song first today and texted me, "Impressed, but bored. Sounds like they're practicing. You guys can play well, we get it." And I have to admit, that was my exact reaction when I listened to it tonight. I listened twice and cannot remember anything about it. I will probably just wait for the full album, but those first two LTE album felt like lightning in a bottle, and I do worry about being able to recapture that magic over 20 years later. It's not as simple as putting the same four guys together and getting just as good a results. Yes, the playing will be off the charts, but without great melodies, which just oozed out of the first two albums, the chops are just empty calories. Just my thought process after being underwhelmed. With any luck, my opinion will change when I hear the album and I will have to eat my words. :biggrin: :biggrin:
Great description from your brother there.
Yup ... nailed it. Impressive but boring (though, that's too strong a word, imo ... perhaps "lacklustre"?) at the same time is a good way
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Let's say.....solid. ;D
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I know myself and this music. My first reaction is never my true feelings of a prog song. It didn't grav me like universal mind or acid rain. But, there's alot to digest. It's a thick, ballsy song with not much air. I can't wait for the full album. I'm going to lay on my floor with headphones on like I was 15 again.
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It does actually sound more of a song that was carefully structured and not so much a result of a jam of some sort..but there is more music in this album so we'll wait and see!
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I thought that was just solid.
I mean, I loved the first two albums and it's only one listen, but we've just heard this all before. It just all sounds the same to me now a little. There's heaps of DT in here but also this track could be on a Petrucci solo album for me. I feel the personality for each project starts to gel into each other. Maybe it's the production these days, not sure. I'll have to listen again though, there were some very nice sections.
I agree it’s not “new ground” per se, but it grabbed me the same way the previous LTE material did and stuff like JP’s solo album and recent DT hasn’t. I’m pretty excited for a return to the old days of sorts.
Same. From a marketing standpoint you probably want a safe, familiar sound to lead off the album with.
Agreed. they wouldn't release a song like Chris & Kevin's Excellent Adventure or Liquid Dreams as a lead single so this is about what I expected at this point. Lead singles from most albums rarely ever end up being one of my favorites anyway (On the Backs of Angels, The Enemy Inside, Unteathered Angel, etc). So if this holds form for me and this song just ends up being a run-of-the-mill song on the album, then I'm pretty excited as I like the track. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they'll deliver a worthy album of the LTE name.
I do hope that there are some lighter/more melodic parts as that is a big part of their sound for me. That all said, I'm just happy to be getting new LTE in general after all these years. So great to see them all working together again.
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It's a cool song and I'm very confident that the album will have even better songs. The mix and mastering by Rich Mouser are amazing! I think it's about time to him to handle a DT album. :tup
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Kind of off-topic but is that Liquid Trio Experiment album worth listening to? I loved the vibe of some of the improv-y songs from 1 & 2 and could go for more of that sound.
You'll probably really like it. Admittedly, it's not something I listen to nearly as often as other DT-related albums, but I'm glad it exists, and it's nice to throw on once in a while. Definitely scratches the LTE itch when you've gone through the first 2 albums and want a little more, best paired with When The Keyboard Breaks album to get some JP.
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Are the Live In NYC/LA albums available somewhere?
Perhaps somewhere to download the audio at least?
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Are the Live In NYC/LA albums available somewhere?
Perhaps somewhere to download the audio at least?
I was just wondering the same exact thing. I haven't seen either one of these shows except a few youtube excerpts. Both shows look like a MUST HAVE! The LA version looks more like a polished theater presentation, while the New York version is in a small venue with a rockin raw performance party type atmosphere.
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Are the Live In NYC/LA albums available somewhere?
Perhaps somewhere to download the audio at least?
I was just wondering the same exact thing. I haven't seen either one of these shows except a few youtube excerpts. Both shows look like a MUST HAVE! The LA version looks more like a polished theater presentation, while the New York version is in a small venue with a rockin raw performance party type atmosphere.
On the New York disk, they do an awesome version of Osmosis, way better than the one they did in LA.
Both are great to have. I have the DVD of the LA show, and the cd of the New York, as I feel. The LA show is great for the dvd, as in a musical performance to bask in the musicality of the performers. While the New York show, is the concert performance, and it makes for a great cd as you can hear and sense that energy from the audience that the band is feeding off of.
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Thanks Ben_Jamin, I don't know how I missed out on these for over a decade. :justjen
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Thanks Ben_Jamin, I don't know how I missed out on these for over a decade. :justjen
I waited a while to get Live in NY. I only got it after seeing that video of Osmosis on Youtube, and saying, that sounds better than the LA one. So, I bought it as I knew the energy would translate better for a CD. Good thing I did, because that wasn't too long before Ytsejam Records closed shop.
I think it'd be awesome if LTE, went on Bandcamp, and offered the albums, and the live albums through there. They can set their own prices for the digital, and the physical copies. I honestly think Bandcamp is great for these small side-projects that are harder to get out there, the usual way.
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Funnily enough, I've always preferred the LA show over the NYC show as my go-to live LTE concert to listen to. I've probably listened to LA over NYC like 20-to-1, but the NYC show definitely has a raw energy to it that makes it an exciting show, especially being the late/second show at the same venue, so they're all warmed up and cranking out the riffs with a lot of power.
The LA show is more clean cut, a more refined engine of a show that, other than JP's guitar failure during "Universal Mind", ran as smoothly as possible. I like that about the LA show, and the extended JR Keyboard solo during UM is a beautiful moment of improv by Jordan. The version of "Osmosis" for LA runs a couple minutes longer than NYC as well. And I think quite a few of the songs ran a bit longer at the LA show, perhaps for a few extended solos in some of the songs.
Also, the LA show was released on BD, and it just looks gorgeous. I'm so glad I was able to order the LTE Live 2008 box set when I did. It's gone for insane prices over the last decade or so, and its easily one of my more prized music possessions given how hard it is to get a hold of for a reasonable price.
-Marc.
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I also always preferred the LA show over the one in NYC. One of my favorite moments is when JP goes wild with the extended solo on Acid Rain :metal
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Thanks Ben_Jamin, I don't know how I missed out on these for over a decade. :justjen
I waited a while to get Live in NY. I only got it after seeing that video of Osmosis on Youtube, and saying, that sounds better than the LA one. So, I bought it as I knew the energy would translate better for a CD. Good thing I did, because that wasn't too long before Ytsejam Records closed shop.
I think it'd be awesome if LTE, went on Bandcamp, and offered the albums, and the live albums through there. They can set their own prices for the digital, and the physical copies. I honestly think Bandcamp is great for these small side-projects that are harder to get out there, the usual way.
They are! At least the studio albums are.
https://liquidtensionexperiment.bandcamp.com/
Although I assume Magna Carta has all of the rights to them, and this is all MC and not the band members themselves.
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The shirt. The Majesty kit.
(https://i.imgur.com/i0eKiqo.jpg)
Also, Tony Levin 74 years old and kinda looking like it these days, but damn the guy can still play. All of them sounded great.
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Thanks Ben_Jamin, I don't know how I missed out on these for over a decade. :justjen
I waited a while to get Live in NY. I only got it after seeing that video of Osmosis on Youtube, and saying, that sounds better than the LA one. So, I bought it as I knew the energy would translate better for a CD. Good thing I did, because that wasn't too long before Ytsejam Records closed shop.
I think it'd be awesome if LTE, went on Bandcamp, and offered the albums, and the live albums through there. They can set their own prices for the digital, and the physical copies. I honestly think Bandcamp is great for these small side-projects that are harder to get out there, the usual way.
They are! At least the studio albums are.
https://liquidtensionexperiment.bandcamp.com/
Although I assume Magna Carta has all of the rights to them, and this is all MC and not the band members themselves.
I did not know that. And I am thinking Magna Carta does have the rights.
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Both LTE live albums were released on the 'Lazy Tomato Entertainment' label and not MC.
A timely re-release would be nice for those :yarr
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If MP was ever thinking about re-establishing Ytsejam Records, or something new and completely different, now would be a great time as he could re-issue the LTE stuff, mainly the video package, as part of an effort to promote LTE3 cuz it's pretty clear the fans are excited.
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I actually just Tweeted him if there were any plans to re-issue the LTE live stuff.
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I gave in and listened to the single. Pretty cool, though some of it sounds like rehashed ideas from certain DT songs. Overall, it was still more enjoyable than 98% of post-Portnoy DT.
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I gave the new single a listen and it was pretty good, LTE never really click with me but I may scoop up one of the vinyls to support the guys.
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I've listened 4 times now. It smokes!
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I gave in and listened to the single. Pretty cool, though some of it sounds like rehashed ideas from certain DT songs. Overall, it was still more enjoyable than 98% of post-Portnoy DT.
i hear so many "references" to DT songs in this.
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Any word on when pre-orders begin for this? Sorry if I missed it somewhere earlier in the thread
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Any word on when pre-orders begin for this? Sorry if I missed it somewhere earlier in the thread
It’s available for pre-order now!
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Any word on when pre-orders begin for this? Sorry if I missed it somewhere earlier in the thread
Last Friday! I suggest checking out the orders at Laser CD. Buying the box set is less than $90 after shipping!
-Marc.
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I have listened to both LTE albums numerous times but can't say I ever really loved any of the songs. I was there just to check it out, as a DT fan.
I checked out the new song with no preconceptions and really enjoyed it! I played it through a second time, straight away after the first listen! I'll say I'm looking forward to it more after hearing the new song, than before.
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Honestly, I think I like this new single more than any songs from the first two albums. It does feel like a very familiar, solid Dream Theater instrumental, but I'm okay with that. It's got more energy behind it than any other LTE song I can think of, everyone's firing on all cylinders, and there's lots of really nice memorable moments spread throughout.
Another thing I just realized is that, since I became a proper Dream Theater fan after BC&SL came out, this will be the first time I'll be anticipating a new release of John Petrucci, Jordan Rudess, and Mike Portnoy music. I still enjoy a lot of post-Portnoy Dream Theater music, but I can't help but feel like this release might hold a bit more weight for me because of that.
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MP and JP were both in Dream Theater when the first two LTE albums were made, while JR and TL were not. Now JP and JR are in DT, but MP and TL are not. That's why it sounds so different this time. Almost completely different. Half the band is DT members, but it's not the same two guys.
I'm kidding. It sounds exactly like LTE to me. I only started thinking about it because so many people are comparing it to Dream Theater, and honestly it doesn't sound that much like DT to me. It sounds like LTE. There is a different vibe.
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Well, I mean, we have 2 dudes from Dream Theater and one former member of Dream Theater in this band, I think it's inevitable that some of the material is going to sound a lot like it would fit on a Dream Theater album.
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I gave in and listened to the single. Pretty cool, though some of it sounds like rehashed ideas from certain DT songs. Overall, it was still more enjoyable than 98% of post-Portnoy DT.
i hear so many "references" to DT songs in this.
This has been going on for over a decade in DT as well, and on JP's new album a little bit.
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MP and JP were both in Dream Theater when the first two LTE albums were made, while JR and TL were not. Now JP and JR are in DT, but MP and TL are not. That's why it sounds so different this time. Almost completely different. Half the band is DT members, but it's not the same two guys.
I'm kidding. It sounds exactly like LTE to me. I only started thinking about it because so many people are comparing it to Dream Theater, and honestly it doesn't sound that much like DT to me. It sounds like LTE. There is a different vibe.
I've always heard it, LTE has always sounded like DT to me, at least post-Moore, but like a jazzier, jammier version with Levin bringing some of that King Crimson vibe. It's because JP on guitar and MP on drums, 2/3 of the core of Dream Theater's first 25 years along with the longest serving keyboardist of the band are basically doing their thing, just not song-oriented, and more instrumental composed stuff mixed with jams. JP's solo stuff reminds me of DT. Even some Neal Morse stuff reminds me of DT on occasion, especially with NMB as the guitars remind me of JP. LTE is the closest thing because 3/4 of the band were in DT at the same time. By contrast, and for the most part, JR's, JLB's, and JM's work outside of DT does not sound like or remind me of Dream Theater.
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Honestly, I think I like this new single more than any songs from the first two albums. It does feel like a very familiar, solid Dream Theater instrumental, but I'm okay with that. It's got more energy behind it than any other LTE song I can think of, everyone's firing on all cylinders, and there's lots of really nice memorable moments spread throughout.
I think this best describes how I feel about the new single. There are some 'Scenes From a Memory' style melodies in there, that I loved, as it's my favourite DT album.
Let's just say I didn't expect to listen to the single and come out anticipating the album this way :lol
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I really enjoy the new single, looking forward to the album.
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I have never thought LTE sounded like DT. This new song included.
I mean, you can tell there are some of the same musicians. But the music is different.
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I have never thought LTE sounded like DT. This new song included.
I mean, you can tell there are some of the same musicians. But the music is different.
There have always been bits and pieces that sounded alike, but a lot of that was due to Jordan’s distinctive sound and style. Most of the similarities are with post-LTE DT. There are a few parts that sound like earlier DT though. JP’s solo in Another Dimension always reminded me of the solo in Scarred. But I think there are plenty of things that make LTE unique from DT.
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I've always heard it, LTE has always sounded like DT to me, at least post-Moore, but like a jazzier, jammier version with Levin bringing some of that King Crimson vibe. It's because JP on guitar and MP on drums, 2/3 of the core of Dream Theater's first 25 years along with the longest serving keyboardist of the band are basically doing their thing, just not song-oriented, and more instrumental composed stuff mixed with jams. JP's solo stuff reminds me of DT. Even some Neal Morse stuff reminds me of DT on occasion, especially with NMB as the guitars remind me of JP. LTE is the closest thing because 3/4 of the band were in DT at the same time. By contrast, and for the most part, JR's, JLB's, and JM's work outside of DT does not sound like or remind me of Dream Theater.
In general, I agree with what dark shade is saying here. I've always viewed LTE as an extension of DT - especially the composed songs that they've written. Because everybody always loves the family analogy :omg: I'd say that while DT's albums are siblings, the LTE albums are cousins, and JP's solo albums maybe second cousins. :P I don't really see any connection to the Neal Morse stuff. If anything, *maybe* the SoA albums could be distantly related. But yeah, when it comes to most of the outside work of JR, JL and JM, they're all completely unrelated. In particular, the Platypus albums - despite featuring 2 (then current) DT members - sounded very different from DT's stuff. Maybe some of JL's stuff on EoP is vaguely connected in a way similar to SoA, but that's all up to individual opinions.
Another thing is that LTE lead directly to JR joining DT. So right or wrong, I will always view LTE as a part of DT.
I have never thought LTE sounded like DT. This new song included.
I mean, you can tell there are some of the same musicians. But the music is different.
There have always been bits and pieces that sounded alike, but a lot of that was due to Jordan’s distinctive sound and style. Most of the similarities are with post-LTE DT. There are a few parts that sound like earlier DT though. JP’s solo in Another Dimension always reminded me of the solo in Scarred. But I think there are plenty of things that make LTE unique from DT.
Funny that you specify Another Dimension - in the past, MP has stated that it's the most DT-like song, which is why they played it in full a number of times during World Tourbulence in 2002.
There are definitely things that separate the two - the obvious one is that DT has vocals while LTE is all instrumental. And then there is the heavy improv aspect of LTE, which is present in DT, but nowhere to the same extent. In fact, when DT was doing the improvised jams in BTL and TLF (and even a few stand alone improvs) on the Train of Thought tour, MP described it as "pure LTE-land". But besides all the recorded improvs on LTE's studio albums (something non-existent on DT's studio albums), there are some things that would seem out of place on a DT album, like Osmosis, the "duets" and the tracks missing JP that have appeared on both albums.
Regarding what Hef said about the music being different, that may be the case, but I'd be willing to say that the composed instrumental tracks - to me - don't sound any less like DT than the songs that appear on The Astonishing. And I'm not saying that in a derogatory way, but from the point that TA sticks out from the rest of DT's catalog as being different. From my viewpoint, I'd say that LTE's stuff is no more different than that.
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I have always described LTE as "instrumental Dream Theater, but with a different bass player." Sure, there are songs DT would never do (Liquid Dreams, for one), but it's close enough in sound and style to where the description is accurate, IMO.
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Another similarity between DT and LTE: very bad bass sound in the mix. :rollin
I don't really remember the bass sounds on LTE1 and LTE2, but on the single it's very low.
Considering that my excitement about the return of LTE is approximately none, I must say that I was not impressed with the single (which does not surprise me :lol)
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Another similarity between DT and LTE: very bad bass sound in the mix. :rollin
I don't really remember the bass sounds on LTE1 and LTE2, but on the single it's very low.
Considering that my excitement about the return of LTE is approximately none, I must say that I was not impressed with the single (which does not surprise me :lol)
I disagree, Tony's bass is front and center most of the time on LTE1 and LTE2, though a little low in the mix on the new single, and I've noticed when JP is involved, the bass is always a little lower than maybe it should be... but Levin plays things that, if you didn't know was him, you might think it was the keys. Listen to the 4 King Crimson albums he's on, as well as David Torn's "Cloud About Mercury" then come back to LTE.
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Another similarity between DT and LTE: very bad bass sound in the mix. :rollin
I don't really remember the bass sounds on LTE1 and LTE2, but on the single it's very low.
Considering that my excitement about the return of LTE is approximately none, I must say that I was not impressed with the single (which does not surprise me :lol)
I disagree, Tony's bass is front and center most of the time on LTE1 and LTE2, though a little low in the mix on the new single, and I've noticed when JP is involved, the bass is always a little lower than maybe it should be... but Levin plays things that, if you didn't know was him, you might think it was the keys. Listen to the 4 King Crimson albums he's on, as well as David Torn's "Cloud About Mercury" then come back to LTE.
As I said, I don't really remember LTE1 and LTE2, since I haven't listened to them in over 10 years. But on this single I thought the bass sound is pretty bad.
On "JP and the bass", I totally agree.
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Another similarity between DT and LTE: very bad bass sound in the mix. :rollin
I don't really remember the bass sounds on LTE1 and LTE2, but on the single it's very low.
Considering that my excitement about the return of LTE is approximately none, I must say that I was not impressed with the single (which does not surprise me :lol)
Disagreed, at least regarding Distance Over Time. Bass sounds incredible in that record.
And regarding this single, meh. This is a riff-driven piece of music that usually has both the guitars and the bass playing the same line very frequently. Harmonically the guitar is always going to feel more upfront for obvious reasons, and also considering JP's evolving guitar tone over the years. I can bet that even if you don't feel the bass as "present" as you should in this song if you muted everything that Tony played the song would feel empty and very thin in the 150-1k Hz range. Even if you can't distinguish it as clearly as you would like, it doesn't mean it's not doing something important. Something similar happens in orchestral music. Not hearing an instrument in particular very upfront and clearly doesn't mean the instrument is not doing something relevant in the overall orchestration.
This argument doesn't mean the mix is perfect my any means. I don't think any mix is perfect, ever, as there are so many different approaches one could take to sonically treat a recorded piece of music. Regarding this song in particular? If you ask me, everything works. No biggie there.
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Another similarity between DT and LTE: very bad bass sound in the mix. :rollin
I don't really remember the bass sounds on LTE1 and LTE2, but on the single it's very low.
Considering that my excitement about the return of LTE is approximately none, I must say that I was not impressed with the single (which does not surprise me :lol)
I disagree, Tony's bass is front and center most of the time on LTE1 and LTE2, though a little low in the mix on the new single, and I've noticed when JP is involved, the bass is always a little lower than maybe it should be... but Levin plays things that, if you didn't know was him, you might think it was the keys. Listen to the 4 King Crimson albums he's on, as well as David Torn's "Cloud About Mercury" then come back to LTE.
Yeah, because he uses Effects Pedals, that can get that type of sound. Are people actually forgetting this?... :lol
So what you think is Guitar Distortion, or some other sound, could in fact be the bass.
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Another similarity between DT and LTE: very bad bass sound in the mix. :rollin
I don't really remember the bass sounds on LTE1 and LTE2, but on the single it's very low.
Considering that my excitement about the return of LTE is approximately none, I must say that I was not impressed with the single (which does not surprise me :lol)
Disagreed, at least regarding Distance Over Time. Bass sounds incredible in that record.
And regarding this single, meh. This is a riff-driven piece of music that usually has both the guitars and the bass playing the same line very frequently. Harmonically the guitar is always going to feel more upfront for obvious reasons, and also considering JP's evolving guitar tone over the years. I can bet that even if you don't feel the bass as "present" as you should in this song if you muted everything that Tony played the song would feel empty and very thin in the 150-1k Hz range. Even if you can't distinguish it as clearly as you would like, it doesn't mean it's not doing something important. Something similar happens in orchestral music. Not hearing an instrument in particular very upfront and clearly doesn't mean the instrument is not doing something relevant in the overall orchestration.
This argument doesn't mean the mix is perfect my any means. I don't think any mix is perfect, ever, as there are so many different approaches one could take to sonically treat a recorded piece of music. Regarding this song in particular? If you ask me, everything works. No biggie there.
I was reading something about Mixers and Engineers, and how when they get people to mix, the mixer will want to try new things and expand their mixing capabilities, and will do Mixes that are experimental with the bands. Unless that band has a specific mix in mind, like Periphery and Nolly, no need to hire a Mixer or Engineer. And some bands prefer a certain mixers style, Kevin Shirley, but I think that was a label decision that the band could not get out of, and until they signed onto InsideOut, had to use the Mixers, Engineers, the Record Label gave them. It's why, I think, the band now has Jimmy T. There are contracts that state the label has the final say on who is chosen to mix, produce, engineer, and master.
All these mixers and engineers could have told the labels, during the loudness war it's brickwalled and clipping, but if it was an all around music business decision than they can't really do much, as they are hired by those record labels.
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Oh. Apparently I am a losing vote.
But okay, I’ll probably listen to this record just two or three times. It doesn't matter how the bass will sound in the mix, after all.
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And some bands prefer a certain mixers style, Kevin Shirley, but I think that was a label decision that the band could not get out of, and until they signed onto InsideOut, had to use the Mixers, Engineers, the Record Label gave them. It's why, I think, the band now has Jimmy T. There are contracts that state the label has the final say on who is chosen to mix, produce, engineer, and master.
Are you referring to DT here? Because that's not the case at all - the label doesn't dictate. Since SFaM, DT's been calling the shots as to who will engineer, mix and master their albums, and obviously they're doing the producing in house.
All these mixers and engineers could have told the labels, during the loudness war it's brickwalled and clipping, but if it was an all around music business decision than they can't really do much, as they are hired by those record labels.
Again, it's not the label that's dictating this - it's the band. And JP in particular has always been focused on the sonic end of things, even before MP split. He's the reason why they ended up having Kevin Shirley remix the majority of SFaM despite the fact that they had Dave Botrill do it initially. The same is true regarding the mastering.
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And some bands prefer a certain mixers style, Kevin Shirley, but I think that was a label decision that the band could not get out of, and until they signed onto InsideOut, had to use the Mixers, Engineers, the Record Label gave them. It's why, I think, the band now has Jimmy T. There are contracts that state the label has the final say on who is chosen to mix, produce, engineer, and master.
Are you referring to DT here? Because that's not the case at all - the label doesn't dictate. Since SFaM, DT's been calling the shots as to who will engineer, mix and master their albums, and obviously they're doing the producing in house.
All these mixers and engineers could have told the labels, during the loudness war it's brickwalled and clipping, but if it was an all around music business decision than they can't really do much, as they are hired by those record labels.
Again, it's not the label that's dictating this - it's the band. And JP in particular has always been focused on the sonic end of things, even before MP split. He's the reason why they ended up having Kevin Shirley remix the majority of SFaM despite the fact that they had Dave Botrill do it initially. The same is true regarding the mastering.
Oh ok. The label suggests those people though right? Or did JP actually want Kevin Shirley himself to mix?
Like they didn't want Botrill, but then as they worked with Shirley before, JP suggested Shirley again, as he did do FII...I think I answered my own question... :lol
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Oh ok. The label suggests those people though right? Or did JP actually want Kevin Shirley himself to mix?
Before SFaM, the band still had a list of producers they wanted to work with that they would give the label, but the label would have the final say. I remember that during 1996-97, there was talk of Kevin Gilbert producing them (until he passed away) and other names included Paul Northfield and Peter Collins, and maybe Trevor Horn (can't remember for certain). In the end, they got Kevin Shirley, who I do believe was on that list, too.
Like they didn't want Botrill, but then as they worked with Shirley before, JP suggested Shirley again, as he did do FII...I think I answered my own question... :lol
No, They wanted and chose Botrill because he had worked with King Crimson, Tool and Peter Gabriel and thought he would be a good fit for their new album. But the end result wasn't good enough, particularly for JP. Which is why they brought Kevin Shirley in to do the remixes. Keep in mind that Kevin Shirley not only worked with them on FII but also remixed the first LTE album for the same reason - they didn't like the original mix that was done (can't remember for sure, but I think Kosaku Nakamura did it), as well as doing the mixing for LTE2. So they knew he could get them the mix they were looking for.
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I think when you look at the history of LTE1 and LTE2 it's easy to forget that in DT land. DT did 3 main things in the 90s/early 00s and it was a hybrid of metal, progressive and/or ballad or jazz/jam tendencies. Metal was only 1/3 of the sound they had going on (IMO) before they started cranking metal levels up with SDOIT to where metal is now 2/3 of their sound. With LTE3, the metal is still there, but it's more evenly spread out among the progressive and the solos. So that is one reason I always felt LTE was instrumental slightly jazzy Dream Theater, as Rudess had played with Dixie Dregs, Jan Hammer, and Tony Williams before playing with Dream Theater.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz2lRxzqvTM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz2lRxzqvTM)
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The single was fine. The main riff a little outside of an 'LTE' sound, imho. The solos were quite good.
Excited for the rest of the album. I ended up ordering the artbook with the BR/2 CD.
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Kind of off-topic but is that Liquid Trio Experiment album worth listening to? I loved the vibe of some of the improv-y songs from 1 & 2 and could go for more of that sound.
I really enjoy it, but it doesn't seem to be very popular around these parts.
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Just pre-ordered the Artbook from Laser CD. $42.40 including shipping.
That is likely the route I'll be taking although I may wait a few more weeks.
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Can't wait to dive into this when it shows up in the mail. Don't plan on listening until then.
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I finally caved and put my preorder in (at Laser CD). I ended up going with thr 2CD/1BD artbook. As much as I'd like the the box set with its artcards and poster, I don't really collect or need vinyls, and I don't have any place to put the poster anyway.
At least I only spent $42.60 after tax and shipping for it, so that's exciting. I enjoy artbooks a lot, too, so it'll be nice to flip through the pages of photos and, hopefully, liner notes about each song like they did with the first two albums. I'm just happy it's coming in less than two months, which will hopefully be plenty of time to digest the new Transatlantic album(s).
-Marc.
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https://www.revolvermag.com/music/liquid-tension-experiment-how-covid-insanity-led-supergroup-prog-metal-gold?fbclid=IwAR0mokMBLjtgwdQqmv0qczEqObT63LbCtq-Lpd44XiThSXfHpozLkIFdi60
"HOW DID YOU HANDLE THE RECORDING WHILE STILL ADHERING TO SOCIAL DISTANCING AND OTHER COVID GUIDELINES?
All four of us, as well as the crew guys that were in the studio with us, quarantined beforehand, and we all got tested. So we knew we were coming in with a clean slate. And once we were together, it was only the six of us in the studio, then back to the hotel. There was really no contact with the outside world. So we spent about two weeks or so writing and jamming and pretty much came out with what we have, which is one main disc of composed songs, and then there's a bonus disc of improv jams. So there was a lot of music in a short amount of time. But that's the way it was for the first two albums back in the Nineties as well."
:coolio :tup
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"THAT SAID, LOOKING FORWARD CAN WE EXPECT THAT WE WON'T HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL, SAY, 2041 FOR LIQUID TENSION EXPERIMENT 4?
[Laughs] Yeah, I think you could say that. And actually, our deal with [record label] Inside Out is a two-album deal. So we are planning on doing a follow-up. I don't know when it will be, but if I had to guess I would say it won't be another 20 years until you get it." :metal
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https://www.revolvermag.com/music/liquid-tension-experiment-how-covid-insanity-led-supergroup-prog-metal-gold?fbclid=IwAR0mokMBLjtgwdQqmv0qczEqObT63LbCtq-Lpd44XiThSXfHpozLkIFdi60
"HOW DID YOU HANDLE THE RECORDING WHILE STILL ADHERING TO SOCIAL DISTANCING AND OTHER COVID GUIDELINES?
All four of us, as well as the crew guys that were in the studio with us, quarantined beforehand, and we all got tested. So we knew we were coming in with a clean slate. And once we were together, it was only the six of us in the studio, then back to the hotel. There was really no contact with the outside world. So we spent about two weeks or so writing and jamming and pretty much came out with what we have, which is one main disc of composed songs, and then there's a bonus disc of improv jams. So there was a lot of music in a short amount of time. But that's the way it was for the first two albums back in the Nineties as well."
:coolio :tup
As a fan of "Three Minute Warning", getting a whole disc of jams is exciting! Here is the tracklist of the CD and LP versions of the bonus disc, if you hadn't seen them yet:
For the curious, Burning Shed has provided track times for the bonus disc:
CD2
1 Blink of an Eye 00:10:28
2 Solid Resolution Theory 00:10:02
3 View from the Mountaintop 00:05:24
4 Your Beard Is Good 00:14:31
5 Ya Mon 00:15:24
And on the 3rd vinyl LP in the box set:
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1 Blink of an Eye 00:10:28
2 Your Beard Is Good 00:14:31
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1 Solid Resolution Theory 00:10:02
2 Ya Mon 00:15:24
-Marc.
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i just hope cd 1 will have better composed songs like Biaxident or WTWB ot Another Dimension
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God, I hope Your beard is good isn't a working title or a joke being played on us.
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God, I hope Your beard is good isn't a working title or a joke being played on us.
It's probably an effort by JP to subconsciously get all of us to buy his beard-care hair products.
-Marc.
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This is pretty rocking - Dino Jelusic added vocals to Paradigm Shift. :metal
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Great to know there will be a 4th album. Better chance for a tour too.
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Small clip from the studio:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mn5PX0Batg&feature=youtu.be
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Small clip from the studio:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mn5PX0Batg&feature=youtu.be
:metal
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Here is Mike's drum cam video for "The Passage Of Time" - https://youtu.be/HZXJA1hFpWw
-Marc.
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This is pretty rocking - Dino Jelusic added vocals to Paradigm Shift. :metal
Yeah, I saw this the other day on Mike’s Twitter feed. It’s cool, I never really imagined vocals with these songs but this was pretty fun.
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Downloading the promo now, sadly the bonus CD is not included.
Review of this bad boy coming very soon!
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Downloading the promo now, sadly the bonus CD is not included.
Review of this bad boy coming very soon!
You lucky dog, I hope it lives up to all of your expectations! Cannot wait to see what reviewers have to say!!
-Marc.
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Downloading the promo now, sadly the bonus CD is not included.
Review of this bad boy coming very soon!
I was also semi-disappointed that the bonus CD was not part of the promo, but on the other hand we have something to wait for!
You're in for a treat!
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Downloading the promo now, sadly the bonus CD is not included.
Review of this bad boy coming very soon!
I was also semi-disappointed that the bonus CD was not part of the promo, but on the other hand we have something to wait for!
You're in for a treat!
You are right!
I don't think anyone here is on the fence about buying this album, but if you are, give yourself a chance.
Can't wait to listen to the bonus album!!!
The review will be published next Monday!
:metal
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Here is Mike's drum cam video for "The Passage Of Time" - https://youtu.be/HZXJA1hFpWw
-Marc.
Just curious, anyone know why there's a "Parental Advisory" on the bottom of that YouTube clip?
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Here is Mike's drum cam video for "The Passage Of Time" - https://youtu.be/HZXJA1hFpWw
-Marc.
Just curious, anyone know why there's a "Parental Advisory" on the bottom of that YouTube clip?
MP has been using it on his videos from not long ago, maybe because he uses "bad words" from time to time.
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Kind of off-topic but is that Liquid Trio Experiment album worth listening to? I loved the vibe of some of the improv-y songs from 1 & 2 and could go for more of that sound.
I really enjoy it, but it doesn't seem to be very popular around these parts.
Is that the ‘When The Keyboard Breaks’ album? If so, I loved it, some insane playing from Petrucci if I remember correctly.
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Kind of off-topic but is that Liquid Trio Experiment album worth listening to? I loved the vibe of some of the improv-y songs from 1 & 2 and could go for more of that sound.
I really enjoy it, but it doesn't seem to be very popular around these parts.
Is that the ‘When The Keyboard Breaks’ album? If so, I loved it, some insane playing from Petrucci if I remember correctly.
They're talking about Spontaneous Combustion, the first Trio album. JP's wife was giving birth, so JP had to leave the studio for a while and what you hear in the album are just a bunch of jams and noodling by Mike, Tony and Jordan.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7VDF457u7w&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=TheProgReport
Long chat with Portnoy and Petrucci.
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Kind of off-topic but is that Liquid Trio Experiment album worth listening to? I loved the vibe of some of the improv-y songs from 1 & 2 and could go for more of that sound.
I really enjoy it, but it doesn't seem to be very popular around these parts.
Is that the ‘When The Keyboard Breaks’ album? If so, I loved it, some insane playing from Petrucci if I remember correctly.
They're talking about Spontaneous Combustion, the first Trio album. JP's wife was giving birth, so JP had to leave the studio for a while and what you hear in the album are just a bunch of jams and noodling by Mike, Tony and Jordan.
In which case, my answer would be different. Not really into their stuff without guitars.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7VDF457u7w&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=TheProgReport
Long chat with Portnoy and Petrucci.
That was a fun interview/podcast. Make sure you stick around to the very end of the video to see Mike's final sequence for their Rush compilation.
I kind of wish they went a bit more in depth about the recording and writing of the LTE3 album, though. I could tell they were being careful not to stir the pot about Mike and DT too much, but John did bring up Post-Portnoy DT a couple of times. I still find it funny that MP has used John's studio twice before MM did for DT15.
-Marc.
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According to a post by Mike, looks like the next single, "Beating The Odds", will release tomorrow!
-Marc.
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New song may take more spins. It didn't connect as well as the first single.
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Yeah Beating my odds was not as good as last single. It feels like this is more Portnoy style song with a vibe from Neal Morse Band. No progression and no cool new fills from Mike.
some parts fra presence and dark eternal but quite boring. We need more.
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Really like both the songs.
Even though he is clearly audible, anyone else getting the feeling there is not as much Tony Levin on these 2 tracks?
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Not loving either track so far unfortunately.
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not digging what's released so far
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7VDF457u7w&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=TheProgReport
Long chat with Portnoy and Petrucci.
Sweet, going to have a listen to this in a few.
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Just checked the new song out and it sounds like it could been one of the instrumental sections off of Systematic Chaos, it had a Ministry of Lost Souls vibe with a touch of Dark Eternal Night.
I really liked the song, I feel like I'm having the opposite reaction to most people in the sense that I really like these tracks more than anything off of LTE1 and LTE2.
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Beating the Odds is a decent-enough song, but the near-opening keyboard solo/riff is very capital-P Prog. It's Clive Nolan or Mark Kelly levels of prog.
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Love the singles. Looking forward. I'm not a huge LTE nut, historically.
The sound on this is better than all post-MP DT albums. How the fuck is that??
The vibe of both of the singles is terrific. The second one reminds me of D/T a little.
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Love the singles. Looking forward. I'm not a huge LTE nut, historically.
The sound on this is better than all post-MP DT albums. How the fuck is that??
The vibe of both of the singles is terrific. The second one reminds me of D/T a little.
That would be something to ask JP. He is the producer of Dream Theater.
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A friend of mine after listening to the album sent me this message that I totally agree with:
Over-all, it is undeniably an LTE record. There's a youthful playfulness in a lot of the songs that really harkens back to their first two albums over twenty years ago, and they still have the chops as well! Beyond the technical things, there's a lot of great melodies on here as well. One that stuck out was "Shades Of Hope", which sounds like a bit of "The Best Of Times", "Six Degrees", and "State Of Grace" (of course, being another John/Jordan piece). I was surprised by the fade-out at the end of "Beating The Odds", and the drum-fade at the end of "Chris & Kevin's Amazing Odyssey". The one improv on the album is pretty short, surprisingly, and it really reminds me of "Osmosis", mostly due to Jordan's key sounds and the over-all vibe the piece has. Honestly, you could probably dissect each song and say it's a bit of one or more of their past songs, but it's just the four of them trying to recreate the magic they had back then, and I think for the most part, they succeed. After about 2 or 3 spins, it's really good, and I think it fits right in with the best of their work! And as a fan of "Three Minute Warning", I am excited to hear that bonus disc when I get my artbook in late March (or April, if the postal service continues the way it has been).
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Watched the new video and all I could think of is why is there a mic next to Portnoy?
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Watched the new video and all I could think of is why is there a mic next to Portnoy?
So he can talk with the people in the console?
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Watched the new video and all I could think of is why is there a mic next to Portnoy?
So he can talk with the people in the console?
the control room rather (the console is the thing you mix on, no people inside there, for all we know :D )
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Watched the new video and all I could think of is why is there a mic next to Portnoy?
So he can talk with the people in the console?
it was a joke because its an instrumental. :biggrin:
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New single sounds good. Sick guitar solo (what else is new)..
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Did MP just throw in his ITPOE fill during the ITPOE sounding section. I don't think it'd sound as much like ITPOE if he did something different besides that. :lol
Beating The Odds, isn't bad at all, and sounds like the name suggests. This one though is exactly what I expected when I was talking about the influences and the sounds they acquired since the last album.
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Really like both the songs.
Even though he is clearly audible, anyone else getting the feeling there is not as much Tony Levin on these 2 tracks?
I noticed that, too. You could hear him just fine, but it felt like he was just kind of there on both songs.
That said, I did like this new song, and it's not like all four guys have to crush it on every single song. I just want a lot more Tony Levin bad assery than we have gotten on the first two songs. :biggrin: :biggrin:
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I love the new one. I’ve seen a few people aren’t that keen on it, but I think I enjoy it more than The Passage of Time. The slower parts where it breaks down to JP’s melodic lines give me chills.
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Both songs are growing on me quite a bit. I was left a little cold by Petrucci’s melodic moments initially (which is usually my favourite part of his playing) but starting to appreciate them more as time has gone on.
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Album Review by Bernard Romero:
https://lotsofmuzik.com/liquid-tension-experiment-lt3-album-review/
:metal
Thank you for this one, Bernard!!! (BTW, Bernard is among us under a disguise)
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I like that band picture for this album :tup
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(https://lotsofmuzik.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/let-band-Custom.png)
I like that band picture for this album :tup
They’re off to retake the Lonely Mountain from Smog.
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Album Review by Bernard Romero:
https://lotsofmuzik.com/liquid-tension-experiment-lt3-album-review/
:metal
Thank you for this one, Bernard!!! (BTW, Bernard is among us under a disguise)
That was a great review!
I haven't listened to the latest single, but I am very excited to listening to the entire album once it's out.
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I like that band picture for this album :tup
They’re off to retake the Lonely Mountain from Smog.
"He's just a poor boy from a poor family spare him his life from this monstrosity."
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Album Review by Bernard Romero:
https://lotsofmuzik.com/liquid-tension-experiment-lt3-album-review/
:metal
Thank you for this one, Bernard!!! (BTW, Bernard is among us under a disguise)
I had to take the review down, I was approached by the PR as apparently, there's an embargo until March 8th, which I wasn't notified of.
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Album Review by Bernard Romero:
https://lotsofmuzik.com/liquid-tension-experiment-lt3-album-review/
:metal
Thank you for this one, Bernard!!! (BTW, Bernard is among us under a disguise)
I had to take the review down, I was approached by the PR as apparently, there's an embargo until March 8th, which I wasn't notified of.
That sucks. Glad I got a chance to read it before it was taken down
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https://www.velvetthunder.co.uk/liquid-tension-experiment-lte-3-insideout/?fbclid=IwAR10aJ6mJWje6gbr-g80lazEbqTdAvdFKNHEMMbR-sED3t_ZLvNmpaPdRuA
Is it Levin wearing a King Crimson mask? Really cool this one...
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https://www.velvetthunder.co.uk/liquid-tension-experiment-lte-3-insideout/?fbclid=IwAR10aJ6mJWje6gbr-g80lazEbqTdAvdFKNHEMMbR-sED3t_ZLvNmpaPdRuA
Is it Levin wearing a King Crimson mask? Really cool this one...
I thought that reviews were embargoed until Monday. Well, I guess it's only for South Americans LOL
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https://www.velvetthunder.co.uk/liquid-tension-experiment-lte-3-insideout/?fbclid=IwAR10aJ6mJWje6gbr-g80lazEbqTdAvdFKNHEMMbR-sED3t_ZLvNmpaPdRuA
Is it Levin wearing a King Crimson mask? Really cool this one...
I thought that reviews were embargoed until Monday. Well, I guess it's only for South Americans LOL
Definitively, a track by track review appeared in Italy already some days ago!
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https://www.velvetthunder.co.uk/liquid-tension-experiment-lte-3-insideout/?fbclid=IwAR10aJ6mJWje6gbr-g80lazEbqTdAvdFKNHEMMbR-sED3t_ZLvNmpaPdRuA
Is it Levin wearing a King Crimson mask? Really cool this one...
I thought that reviews were embargoed until Monday. Well, I guess it's only for South Americans LOL
Definitively, a track by track review appeared in Italy already some days ago!
Link?
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https://metalitalia.com/articolo/liquid-tension-experiment-il-nuovo-lte3-traccia-per-traccia/
Have fun using Google Translate :D
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Album Review by Bernard Romero:
https://lotsofmuzik.com/liquid-tension-experiment-lt3-album-review/
:metal
Thank you for this one, Bernard!!! (BTW, Bernard is among us under a disguise)
The review is LIVE again.
:metal
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Reviewer lost a lot of credibility once he said a Sons of Apollo record was one of his favorites record of the past decade :lol :p, but interesting review nonetheless. I have to say I am not thrilled that so much of the new record is spent on a cover tune, but I still can't wait to hear this whole thing.
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Thank you for this one, Bernard!!! (BTW, Bernard is among us under a disguise)
Bernard Stadler??
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Reviewer lost a lot of credibility once he said a Sons of Apollo record was one of his favorites record of the past decade :lol :p, but interesting review nonetheless. I have to say I am not thrilled that so much of the new record is spent on a cover tune, but I still can't wait to hear this whole thing.
I suppose if you don't want to keep the cover on your playlist, there is another whole disc of improv jams you could substitute from in place of RIB. It seems there are less improv jams on this album than the first two (by my count, it seems two or three - Liquid Evolution, and the two duets, though I've read that the Jordan/John one was rehearsed and then recorded in one take, so they definitely had some idea of what they wanted to play).
I honestly don't mind that they recorded RIB for the album. It definitely gives folks a chance to listen to it if they've never got the live stuff or even bothered to find it on YouTube to watch/listen to, so for some fans, it'll be their first time experiencing their version of the Gerswhin classic.
At least we can rest knowing that the label has contracted them to do a fourth album, so hopefully that'll come out before the end of the decade, though if we're lucky, we may get the album in 2022 and have back-to-back year releases just like the first two albums!
-Marc.
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"Due to printing errors by the manufacturer we have the unfortunate news of sharing that we must push back the planned release date of LTE3 from March 26th to April 16th. This news came as a surprise to us and we have spent the last week working to resolve the situation but ultimately we had no other options. We appreciate the support and feedback so far on the songs we have released and can’t wait for you to finally hear the full album when it's released on 4/16/21. We’ve all waited 22 years for this, what’s 3 more weeks?"
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMMuqcKD9Xy/
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Unfortunate as it is I'm ok with it. Still digesting the new Steven Wilson and Transatlantic.
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Thank you for this one, Bernard!!! (BTW, Bernard is among us under a disguise)
Bernard Stadler??
Nope, and I can prove it:
... he said a Sons of Apollo record was one of his favorites record of the past decade :lol :p
:)
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Thank you for this one, Bernard!!! (BTW, Bernard is among us under a disguise)
Bernard Stadler??
Nope, and I can prove it:
... he said a Sons of Apollo record was one of his favorites record of the past decade :lol :p
:)
Bernard is not Stadler, bosk1, rodrigo or fritzinger. (the ones writing for LOM)
If any of you come up with who Bernard is I will send you a "secret" prize.
Note, I am not Bernard either.
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For the record, I am also not Bernard.
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Thank you for this one, Bernard!!! (BTW, Bernard is among us under a disguise)
Bernard Stadler??
Nope, and I can prove it:
... he said a Sons of Apollo record was one of his favorites record of the past decade :lol :p
:)
Bernard is not Stadler, bosk1, rodrigo or fritzinger. (the ones writing for LOM)
If any of you come up with who Bernard is I will send you a "secret" prize.
Note, I am not Bernard either.
It's Wildranger.... :corn :biggrin:
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Thank you for this one, Bernard!!! (BTW, Bernard is among us under a disguise)
Bernard Stadler??
Nope, and I can prove it:
... he said a Sons of Apollo record was one of his favorites record of the past decade :lol :p
:)
Bernard is not Stadler, bosk1, rodrigo or fritzinger. (the ones writing for LOM)
If any of you come up with who Bernard is I will send you a "secret" prize.
Note, I am not Bernard either.
It's Wildranger.... :corn :biggrin:
:rollin (I'm not him either)
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Unfortunate as it is I'm ok with it. Still digesting the new Steven Wilson and Transatlantic.
Same here. Throw in the two new Taylor Swift albums, along with the new SW and TA albums, and new stuff is getting a lot of play with me these days, so I won't fret over having to wait a few more weeks for the LTE.
Thank you for this one, Bernard!!! (BTW, Bernard is among us under a disguise)
Bernard Stadler??
Nope, and I can prove it:
... he said a Sons of Apollo record was one of his favorites record of the past decade :lol :p
:)
Hahaha, :biggrin:
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"Due to printing errors by the manufacturer we have the unfortunate news of sharing that we must push back the planned release date of LTE3 from March 26th to April 16th. This news came as a surprise to us and we have spent the last week working to resolve the situation but ultimately we had no other options. We appreciate the support and feedback so far on the songs we have released and can’t wait for you to finally hear the full album when it's released on 4/16/21. We’ve all waited 22 years for this, what’s 3 more weeks?"
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMMuqcKD9Xy/
That's a bummer. I was hoping to get it before BBT's re-issue of The Underfall Yard in April, but ah well, guess my listening schedule will swap around a bit! I wonder what the printing error was - on the discs itself, or on the packaging/liner notes? Did the credits say "Chris - Drums, Kevin - Bass" by mistake or something?
-Marc.
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I have to say I am not thrilled that so much of the new record is spent on a cover tune, but I still can't wait to hear this whole thing.
I can relate to what you're saying - when I saw it in the track listing, initially I was a disappointed too. I hope they'll have changed things up at least a little so that there's some variation between this studio version and what they played in 2008. But even if not, the more I think about it, the less disappointed I am, especially when I compare how this album stacks up against the first 2.
The first 2 LTE albums averaged 44 minutes of fully composed material (assuming C&K was composed) and 29 minutes of improvised music. IIRC, a press release said that one of the tracks on the main disc is an improv, which is likely Liquid Evolution (3:23). Subtract that and Rhapsody in Blue (13:16) and you still have 45 minutes of composed music (assuming the 2 duet tracks are composed), which is in line with the first 2 albums. But then we get a bonus CD of improvised tracks. So we're getting just as much as on the first 2 albums, plus a cover of RiB and much more in terms of improv tracks. That works for me! :)
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"Due to printing errors by the manufacturer we have the unfortunate news of sharing that we must push back the planned release date of LTE3 from March 26th to April 16th. This news came as a surprise to us and we have spent the last week working to resolve the situation but ultimately we had no other options. We appreciate the support and feedback so far on the songs we have released and can’t wait for you to finally hear the full album when it's released on 4/16/21. We’ve all waited 22 years for this, what’s 3 more weeks?"
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMMuqcKD9Xy/
That's a bummer. I was hoping to get it before BBT's re-issue of The Underfall Yard in April, but ah well, guess my listening schedule will swap around a bit! I wonder what the printing error was - on the discs itself, or on the packaging/liner notes? Did the credits say "Chris - Drums, Kevin - Bass" by mistake or something?
-Marc.
They had the wrong lyrics.
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"Due to printing errors by the manufacturer we have the unfortunate news of sharing that we must push back the planned release date of LTE3 from March 26th to April 16th. This news came as a surprise to us and we have spent the last week working to resolve the situation but ultimately we had no other options. We appreciate the support and feedback so far on the songs we have released and can’t wait for you to finally hear the full album when it's released on 4/16/21. We’ve all waited 22 years for this, what’s 3 more weeks?"
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMMuqcKD9Xy/
That's a bummer. I was hoping to get it before BBT's re-issue of The Underfall Yard in April, but ah well, guess my listening schedule will swap around a bit! I wonder what the printing error was - on the discs itself, or on the packaging/liner notes? Did the credits say "Chris - Drums, Kevin - Bass" by mistake or something?
-Marc.
They had the wrong lyrics.
They printed the name as Liquid Tension Tamer.
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"Due to printing errors by the manufacturer we have the unfortunate news of sharing that we must push back the planned release date of LTE3 from March 26th to April 16th. This news came as a surprise to us and we have spent the last week working to resolve the situation but ultimately we had no other options. We appreciate the support and feedback so far on the songs we have released and can’t wait for you to finally hear the full album when it's released on 4/16/21. We’ve all waited 22 years for this, what’s 3 more weeks?"
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMMuqcKD9Xy/
That's a bummer. I was hoping to get it before BBT's re-issue of The Underfall Yard in April, but ah well, guess my listening schedule will swap around a bit! I wonder what the printing error was - on the discs itself, or on the packaging/liner notes? Did the credits say "Chris - Drums, Kevin - Bass" by mistake or something?
-Marc.
They had the wrong lyrics.
:tup
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"Due to printing errors by the manufacturer we have the unfortunate news of sharing that we must push back the planned release date of LTE3 from March 26th to April 16th. This news came as a surprise to us and we have spent the last week working to resolve the situation but ultimately we had no other options. We appreciate the support and feedback so far on the songs we have released and can’t wait for you to finally hear the full album when it's released on 4/16/21. We’ve all waited 22 years for this, what’s 3 more weeks?"
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMMuqcKD9Xy/
That's a bummer. I was hoping to get it before BBT's re-issue of The Underfall Yard in April, but ah well, guess my listening schedule will swap around a bit! I wonder what the printing error was - on the discs itself, or on the packaging/liner notes? Did the credits say "Chris - Drums, Kevin - Bass" by mistake or something?
-Marc.
They had the wrong lyrics.
They printed the name as Liquid Tension Tamer.
Maybe someone thought it'd be funny if they put "Solid Slackness Theory" and make everyone switch instruments.
-Marc.
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I read the review and it's a good one, makes me wish the delay didn't occur. I really want to hear Shades of Hope and Key to The Imagination now.
I have to say as well...Whale Race by That 1 Guy is an amazing song. :tup :tup
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I only pre-ordered the iTunes version. Will that be delayed also? I'm thinking it will so the music doesn't get out before the physical one is available.
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Sucks about the delay, but what's a few more weeks compared to waiting 20 years? Well, 10-12 years for MP+JP/JR reunion.
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A leading factor in me NOT getting the artbook was that I just assumed it would be delayed like EVERY OTHER ART BOOK I HAVE EVER ORDERED but now the whole damn thing is delayed.
Yikes.
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A leading factor in me NOT getting the artbook was that I just assumed it would be delayed like EVERY OTHER ART BOOK I HAVE EVER ORDERED but now the whole damn thing is delayed.
Yikes.
Now that you mention that, I do recall having my orders of the last Ayreon, Frost*, and DT albums delayed, but I chalked those up to COVID reasons, but maybe the printing error was COVID-related too? :lol
Artbooks/Earbooks are just destined to get delayed, I guess. Either way, at least they caught the errors now, unlike with the Frost* 13 Winters artbook, which had issues with its liner notes and lyrics, as well as a wrongly printed disc. What a mess.
-Marc.
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My sepultura Quadra artbook was not only delayed but the ink must have been wet when they bound it because several pages were stuck together. I ended up getting a 15 dollar discount rather than go through all the return bullcrap.
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On Wednesday I had email saying "Just to let you know that the release date for Liquid Tension Experiment, LTE3, CDx3 has changed from the original release date of Friday 26 March 2021 to Friday 16 April 2021."
Today I've received one saying "Just to let you know that the release date for Liquid Tension Experiment, LTE3, CDx3 has changed from the original release date of Friday 16 April 2021 to Friday 26 March 2021."
What's going on?
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Sounds like they screwed up the dates in the second email, got 'em switched around somehow. Then later someone found the draft and glanced at the dates too quickly, didn't realize they were wrong, and went "Oh shit, we never sent this out!" so they sent it. But the first one had already gone out, correctly.
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It's in Jordan's youtube channel (live chat with MP from Patreon):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r01t-_Mstrw
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It's in Jordan's youtube channel (live chat with MP from Patreon):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r01t-_Mstrw
:lol :lol "You were having Mike Portnoy Flashbacks, oh no he's gonna want us to cover an entire Genesis album."
That was a great moment. :lol
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Mike has teased a new video being posted next week: (https://www.facebook.com/100044540401846/posts/288312209330124/)
Just signed off on the new LTE video...mind is blown!! 🤯 This track & video is absolutely INSANE...we may all have to wait til April 16th for the entire album, but you’re in for a real treat next week! 😉😎 #LTE3
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/161767852_288312185996793_1263935680156541898_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=110474&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=owdFl249TWsAX9jSDzf&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&tp=14&oh=56a102b068cfb560a6d70fb48930b322&oe=607B6ABE)
Can't wait to see which song it is! Any guesses? I'm going to guess it'll be the album opener "Hypersonic".
-Marc.
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I'm holding off on listening to anything until this gets released. I don't want to know half the album before I've had the whole thing. I listened to the first single a couple of times a little while back and that's it, I don't even remember much about the track. Just going to wait til LTE3 is released before I listen to it again.
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It's in Jordan's youtube channel (live chat with MP from Patreon):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r01t-_Mstrw
:lol :lol "You were having Mike Portnoy Flashbacks, oh no he's gonna want us to cover an entire Genesis album."
That was a great moment. :lol
That and the history behind Rich Mouser first mix of the album! :D
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In a recent reply to a fan on Facebook asking about the misprints art books for LTE3, Mike said "They will be destroyed...the discs weren’t being held properly and kept falling out of the book".
Looks like there were some major production issues! Glad they caught the issue before they were sent out for the original release. I'm sure we'd all be devastated if we got our discs and they were all scratched during shipping from rubbing inside the book!
-Marc.
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It's in Jordan's youtube channel (live chat with MP from Patreon):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r01t-_Mstrw
:lol :lol "You were having Mike Portnoy Flashbacks, oh no he's gonna want us to cover an entire Genesis album."
That was a great moment. :lol
That and the history behind Rich Mouser first mix of the album! :D
"Maybe I should listen to this album?" :lol
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It's in Jordan's youtube channel (live chat with MP from Patreon):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r01t-_Mstrw
:lol :lol "You were having Mike Portnoy Flashbacks, oh no he's gonna want us to cover an entire Genesis album."
That was a great moment. :lol
That and the history behind Rich Mouser first mix of the album! :D
"Maybe I should listen to this album?" :lol
That was hilarious.
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From Mike on Facebook: (https://www.facebook.com/100044540401846/posts/291207172373961/)
Tomorrow...fasten your seatbelts!🌪
#LTE3 #Hypersonic
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/163410796_291207152373963_3662111128792132210_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=110474&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=1XV0nffhxVMAX9C83Ex&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&tp=14&oh=1e19c007b7beb1a8581d14acfe487532&oe=60817941)
I guess this leaves the album's closing track as the last composed song to not get a music video, but to be honest, at this rate they might as well make one and release after the album comes out.
Just a couple more weeks to go!
-Marc.
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I will wait til the album is released to watch these. Almost all the composed and arranged music on the main album is out there now, especially if you count Rhapsody In Blue.
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Question about the CD artbook, anyone knows how the discs are holding in place? I saw some pictures and it doesn’t look like anything is holding the discs. Anyone ever got a similar artbook and if so how were the discs holding? I just pre-ordered it and it would suck if a disc was loose since I’m planning to keep it sealed.
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Fantastic song with amazing mix!!!
https://open.spotify.com/album/4FM3nicVDf92o60TOWDMHD?si=fCGK2S-4SBSJMBwJZ_kUxQ
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Question about the CD artbook, anyone knows how the discs are holding in place? I saw some pictures and it doesn’t look like anything is holding the discs. Anyone ever got a similar artbook and if so how were the discs holding? I just pre-ordered it and it would suck if a disc was loose since I’m planning to keep it sealed.
Funny you mention that because that's exactly the reason the album's release date got pushed back. The artbook had an issue with holding the discs, so production was halted so it could be fixed and all previously printed artbooks will be destroyed.
Hopefully the issue was properly fixed and the artbooks ship without any issue to the discs.
-Marc.
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Goddamn, Hypersonic just dropped on Apple Music. Just finished my first listen... it blew me away! Not that I expected anything less :metal
If the three songs that have been released so far are any indication, this is going to be one seriously incredible album.
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Crazy musician gymnastics. Only machines should be able to play like that.
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Album in the house :yarr. Love Liquid Evolution. Like Osmosis from the first album. Love Levins part :metal :o
Wait, there are some people who received physical copies of this already? Has only the art book been pushed back?
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Goddamn, Hypersonic :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Album in the house :yarr. Love Liquid Evolution. Like Osmosis from the first album. Love Levins part :metal :o
Wait, there are some people who received physical copies of this already? Has only the art book been pushed back?
No, every version of the album format has been delayed to allow equal release across the board.
-Marc.
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Hypersonic is pure :metal :metal :metal :metal
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Hypersonic is insane! It's now the quintessential LTE track. If LTE ever plays live together again, this must be the opener.
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Hypersonic is insane! It's now the quintessential LTE track. If LTE ever plays live together again, this must be the opener.
certainly not in these current times I'd suspect, and their live performances have always been very rare anyway (for obvious reasons), so it's highly unlikely IMHO, but yes, it may make for a nice opening piece.
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Insanely good! I shared this video on FB and haven't got even one like. So typical. If I were to post a picture of a half eaten meal at Applebees, I'd get all kinds of likes.. people suck! :facepalm: :lol
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You know what I decided to do before listening to Hypersonic...
I made a playlist of Paradigm Shift, Acid Rain and then Hypersonic...
And wow....I was right, in that each beginning track does get heavier and more intricate. Hypersonic flows great after Acid Rain.
With this song I can hear more of their metal influences and sounds that they gained from 20 years.
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I just got done with my full LTE listen of both studio and live albums. So much energy and fun in those records. I really hope it's captured in the new album. Which I am guessing they will.
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Transcribed Hypersonic today:
Liquid Tension Experiment | Hypersonic | Guitar Tab (https://youtu.be/UfTusFu3xQE)
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Transcribed Hypersonic today:
Liquid Tension Experiment | Hypersonic | Guitar Tab (https://youtu.be/UfTusFu3xQE)
hypersonically fast too, pardon the pun.
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Hypersonic is insane! It's now the quintessential LTE track. If LTE ever plays live together again, this must be the opener.
I've heard it and watched the video, and it's no When the Water Breaks.
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Caught the Hypersonic video.
Liked it.
Waiting patiently for my artbook.
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Hypersonic is insane! It's now the quintessential LTE track. If LTE ever plays live together again, this must be the opener.
I've heard it and watched the video, and it's no When the Water Breaks.
I agree. Hypersonic one of my two favorites on the new album (the other one is Rhapsody), but When The Water Breaks remains the ultimate LTE song.
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Hypersonic is insane! It's now the quintessential LTE track. If LTE ever plays live together again, this must be the opener.
I've heard it and watched the video, and it's no When the Water Breaks.
I agree. Hypersonic one of my two favorites on the new album (the other one is Rhapsody), but When The Water Breaks remains the ultimate LTE song.
WTWB is just special. Hypersonic immediately reminded me of a cross between Paradigm Shift and WTWB. I think it's better than the former and nothing is better than the latter.
-Tof
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I don’t know but I find there to be some very iffy transitions in Hypersonic, perhaps it will flow better with more listens but not on the same level as Paradigm Shift or Acid Rain for me which is what I guess they were kind of going for. The other 2 singles have grown on me a lot though so hopefully this will too.
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I mean, you can't go wrong with Paradigm Shift, Acid Rain, When The Water Breaks, or Hypersonic. Just very thankful to have them all to enjoy!
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WTWB is just special. Hypersonic immediately reminded me of a cross between Paradigm Shift and WTWB. I think it's better than the former and nothing is better than the latter.
-Tof
I agree :)
WTWB remains my favorite song of all times I would bring on a desert island :D
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I love Hypersonic, I love how the vibe and direction are so true to the spirit of the first two albums, it's like this got made only two years after LTE2.
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I love Hypersonic, I love how the vibe and direction are so true to the spirit of the first two albums, it's like this got made only two years after LTE2.
Yup. It's exactly what JR and MP said in their Patreon discussion. It's like Time never existed and they just left the building and walked right back in.
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Oh man, I totally agree! :tup
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I mean, you can't go wrong with Paradigm Shift, Acid Rain, When The Water Breaks, or Hypersonic. Just very thankful to have them all to enjoy!
I'll throw in Kindred Spirits, Freedom of Speech and Another Dimension for good measure. :hefdaddy
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no love for Biaxident? :-\
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no love for Biaxident? :-\
It's my favorite.
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I mean, you can't go wrong with Paradigm Shift, Acid Rain, When The Water Breaks, or Hypersonic. Just very thankful to have them all to enjoy!
I'll throw in Kindred Spirits, Freedom of Speech and Another Dimension for good measure. :hefdaddy
I think that could be said for all of the full-band composed songs that LTE has done. They're all top-notched, IMO.
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I think that it could be said that nearly every song off the first two albums is top notch. The fact that Chewbacca and Liquid Dreams do not get mentioned more does not surprise me, but they damn sure should be.
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no love for Biaxident? :-\
Oh yes, absolutely. I was just throwing a few out there off the top of my head.
I think that it could be said that nearly every song off the first two albums is top notch. The fact that Chewbacca and Liquid Dreams do not get mentioned more does not surprise me, but they damn sure should be.
I also agree with this.
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I think that it could be said that nearly every song off the first two albums is top notch. The fact that Chewbacca and Liquid Dreams do not get mentioned more does not surprise me, but they damn sure should be.
I think Chewbacca is the one LTE song that I actually dislike. It’s just so boring, I’d rather listen to Three Minute Warning honestly.
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I think that it could be said that nearly every song off the first two albums is top notch. The fact that Chewbacca and Liquid Dreams do not get mentioned more does not surprise me, but they damn sure should be.
I think Chewbacca is the one LTE song that I actually dislike. It’s just so boring, I’d rather listen to Three Minute Warning honestly.
Yeah, I don’t like Chewbacca much at all. Liquid Dreams is one of my favorites though.
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I think that it could be said that nearly every song off the first two albums is top notch. The fact that Chewbacca and Liquid Dreams do not get mentioned more does not surprise me, but they damn sure should be.
I think Chewbacca is the one LTE song that I actually dislike. It’s just so boring, I’d rather listen to Three Minute Warning honestly.
Yeah, I don’t like Chewbacca much at all. Liquid Dreams is one of my favorites though.
There's a good 5 minute song buried in Chewbacca, it's the whole middle section noodling that makes it quite boring.
I mean, you can't go wrong with Paradigm Shift, Acid Rain, When The Water Breaks, or Hypersonic. Just very thankful to have them all to enjoy!
I'll throw in Kindred Spirits, Freedom of Speech and Another Dimension for good measure. :hefdaddy
I think that could be said for all of the full-band composed songs that LTE has done. They're all top-notched, IMO.
Agree. The composed stuff is amazing, but I could live without the other stuff.
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I think that it could be said that nearly every song off the first two albums is top notch. The fact that Chewbacca and Liquid Dreams do not get mentioned more does not surprise me, but they damn sure should be.
I think Chewbacca is the one LTE song that I actually dislike. It’s just so boring, I’d rather listen to Three Minute Warning honestly.
Yeah, I don’t like Chewbacca much at all. Liquid Dreams is one of my favorites though.
I like the different ideas that they used in both cases regarding how JP approached them, but neither one really does much for me, aside from that section of Chewbacca from about 10:54-11:40.
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Sounds y'all need to crank up Chewbacca on a late night drive and let her rip. That middle section is awesome and does a great job in building to that crazy as hell ending. :metal :metal
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Liquid Dreams is my favorite of their Jam songs. I like that way better than the Chris and Kevin songs.
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Liquid Dreams is my favorite of their Jam songs. I like that way better than the Chris and Kevin songs.
Liquid Dreams does feel much more natural than something like Chewbacca or TMW, I llike it quite a bit.
The Chris and Kevin tracks are completely irrelevant to me so far.
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Liquid Dreams is my favorite of their Jam songs. I like that way better than the Chris and Kevin songs.
Liquid Dreams does feel much more natural than something like Chewbacca or TMW, I llike it quite a bit.
The Chris and Kevin tracks are completely irrelevant to me so far.
:lol :lol Sounds about right for me too about Chris and Kevin.
For me, I like each album equally. And While Three Minute Warning is a neat idea, It's not something I want to listen to as much anymore. I really like the groovy, and mellow type of songs they do.
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Liquid Dreams is my favorite of their Jam songs. I like that way better than the Chris and Kevin songs.
Liquid Dreams does feel much more natural than something like Chewbacca or TMW, I llike it quite a bit.
The Chris and Kevin tracks are completely irrelevant to me so far.
:lol :lol Sounds about right for me too about Chris and Kevin.
The irony is that I'm both a bassist and a drummer, yet I hate those tracks :lol
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Liquid Dreams is my favorite of their Jam songs. I like that way better than the Chris and Kevin songs.
Liquid Dreams does feel much more natural than something like Chewbacca or TMW, I llike it quite a bit.
The Chris and Kevin tracks are completely irrelevant to me so far.
:lol :lol Sounds about right for me too about Chris and Kevin.
The irony is that I'm both a bassist and a drummer, yet I hate those tracks :lol
:lol :lol That is hilarious.
I took the opportunity to make an album/playlist of the songs I enjoy from Both LTE 1 and 2. Went to the fun of making it flow as if it was an actual release. I'll link to a Spotify of it...
1. Another Dimension
2. Paradigm Shift
3. Acid Rain
4. When The Water Breaks
5. State of Grace
6. Universal Mind
7. Liquid Dreams
8. Freedom of Speech
9. Hourglass
1:19:00 (Just barely made the time limit of 80 minutes)
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5a5m8UPtzTaMW3TvzAkk5w?si=8eW0r4pwTwuO-OpwYYna0g
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https://www.sonicperspectives.com/album-reviews/liquid-tension-experiment-lte3/
I had the pleasure of writing a review for the new LTE! Enjoy :)
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https://www.sonicperspectives.com/album-reviews/liquid-tension-experiment-lte3/
I had the pleasure of writing a review for the new LTE! Enjoy :)
I really like the three singles I've heard from LT3 and consider them amongst their strongest material to date.
I have a feeling I'm gonna like this album more than you. :coolio
Thanks for sharing you're review, hopefully the album will grow on you after a few listens. :)
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https://www.sonicperspectives.com/album-reviews/liquid-tension-experiment-lte3/
I had the pleasure of writing a review for the new LTE! Enjoy :)
Did you ask to interview one of them? I think you should, man!!!!
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https://www.sonicperspectives.com/album-reviews/liquid-tension-experiment-lte3/
I had the pleasure of writing a review for the new LTE! Enjoy :)
I really like the three singles I've heard from LT3 and consider them amongst their strongest material to date.
I have a feeling I'm gonna like this album more than you. :coolio
Thanks for sharing you're review, hopefully the album will grow on you after a few listens. :)
I do like this album ;) But as mentioned, I am looking forward to their "second" comeback album. I hope they won't lay any focus on what (they think) fans want to hear from them.
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/album-reviews/liquid-tension-experiment-lte3/
I had the pleasure of writing a review for the new LTE! Enjoy :)
Did you ask to interview one of them? I think you should, man!!!!
I didn't! Not sure I can compete with you in that department :coolio I think I'll stick to review for now :)
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MP drum cam for Hypersonic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fazzJ2Ra6bc
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Haven't heard a single yet but it's going to be very hard to top LTE1 and LTE2. They are such landmark, classic, and legendary albums in my opinion.
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Last night I dreamed of listening to a live version of Beating The Odds DT played circa 2005/2006 (??) . I could pay attention to all details, it was great! Can't wait for the album!!!
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My artbook shipped on the 9th from LaserCD. Don’t know if I’ll get it next week or the week after since I’m in Quebec.
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My artbook shipped on the 9th from LaserCD. Don’t know if I’ll get it next week or the week after since I’m in Quebec.
Mine did as well. Just checked the tracking and it arrived in Chicago yesterday which means it's about 60 miles from me. Sadly, as pathetic as the USPS has become, that doesn't mean I will even get it this week. They have royally screwed up several recent shipments to me lately and just keep finding ways to be worse.
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My artbook also shipped from LaserCD last week and is currently out for delivery today! Cannot wait to get it in!
-Marc.
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My artbook also shipped from LaserCD last week and is currently out for delivery today! Cannot wait to get it in!
-Marc.
Mine too! :corn
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No shipping confirmation yet. I ordered the black vinyls, artbook, and the 2CD digipack. I'm assuming there's a delay in receiving shipments. Had enough points with LaserCD that my order was about $30 bucks including shipping :biggrin:
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(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/172690175_10102768386588261_2198848810883812952_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=ca434c&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=NXkW48Nk_e8AX-wAL9W&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&tp=14&oh=f2e06bd11892b69268633add057352a0&oe=6098E943)
What a gorgeous artbook. The liner notes are comprehensive and the photos and art are pretty nice! Gonna pop the BD in later tonight!
-Marc.
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Nice! Can you please post a picture of the area where the discs are? I want to see if it looks like the discs would get loose easily.
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Nice! Can you please post a picture of the area where the discs are? I want to see if it looks like the discs would get loose easily.
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/173170262_10102768424187911_2136835656172019389_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=1480c5&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=K8E-TUNr4CsAX-V6eUX&tn=5gDSFORMqSZ4II1u&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&tp=14&oh=794138365b4706323bad7f474f690dde&oe=609A5D08)
There ya go! It's a similar way of holding discs that I've seen in other artbooks lately, and they were pretty in place when I opened mine. They're inside the back cover of the artbook.
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Thanks a lot!
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Hypersonic drum cover
https://youtu.be/vE0sQf3HVdM
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What a gorgeous artbook. The liner notes are comprehensive and the photos and art are pretty nice! Gonna pop the BD in later tonight!
-Marc.
WOW!!! :metal :metal :metal Waiting for mine :coolio
So, how much you liked the second CD? :corn
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What a gorgeous artbook. The liner notes are comprehensive and the photos and art are pretty nice! Gonna pop the BD in later tonight!
-Marc.
WOW!!! :metal :metal :metal Waiting for mine :coolio
So, how much you liked the second CD? :corn
"A Night At The Improv" is pretty good, definitely some interesting jams there, but if you're not into improvised jamming, there probably isn't much here for ya. I like it because it shows just how in-tune these four are in playing together live, and they go in some interesting places, but there are some great chops and solos by John and Jordan, as you'd expect. I've only spun it once all the way through, but at first glance, it's pretty good, about as good as any of the other jams they've released, though I still have a fondness for "Three Minute Warning".
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Really cool, Marc! Their chemistry in the jams always was truly amazing!
A Night At The Improv is the title of the second CD? It was recorded in just one night from their recording sessions?
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I would say that I enjoyed the improvisations more than the studio tracks.
Solid Resolution Theory and Your Beard is Good are very interesting. Some parts remind me of DT tracks, and some of the interactions between all 4 of them are great.
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Really cool, Marc! Their chemistry in the jams always was truly amazing!
A Night At The Improv is the title of the second CD? It was recorded in just one night from their recording sessions?
I don't think it was all one night, I think that's just a play on the typical sort of show that comedians would put on "A Night At The Improv", The Improv being a place where comedians would come out and do their routines, but "improv", in the musical sense, means improvising, so it sort of has a double meaning here.
According to the liner notes, the band had four separate jam sessions of about half an hour to an hour each, which is where the five tracks come from, as well as the main album track "Liquid Evolution".
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That is an amazing looking set M! I still regret not getting the live set back when it released.
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That is an amazing looking set M! I still regret not getting the live set back when it released.
Same here. I've since... found a copy of the NY show but not the LA show..
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I think the new material is mostly pretty damn good, but I don't like how the improvs were just shoved on to the bonus disc. Part of the magic of the first two records was the bounce back between jams and written material, as it gave the albums a really cool flow. I do think their cover of Rhapsody in Blue is outstanding, but with it being a cover, it feels like it would have made more sense to put that on the bonus disc and put more original material on the proper album. Ultimately we get it all, so it's hard to quibble too much, I guess.
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I think the new material is mostly pretty damn good, but I don't like how the improvs were just shoved on to the bonus disc. Part of the magic of the first two records was the bounce back between jams and written material, as it gave the albums a really cool flow. I do think their cover of Rhapsody in Blue is outstanding, but with it being a cover, it feels like it would have made more sense to put that on the bonus disc and put more original material on the proper album. Ultimately we get it all, so it's hard to quibble too much, I guess.
Well, to be fair, there are still two improvised jams on the main album, albeit one is a duet with Chris & Kevin, but to me, they flow fairly well in the overall scheme of things. If you look at the first album, not counting "Three Minute Warning" at the end, there are only three improvs as well, totaling 7:47 long (including the Chris & Kevin track), which is still shorter than the 8:26 of improv music we get on LTE3. I think we got spoiled for improv material on LTE3, between tracks like "Chewbacca" and "Liquid Dreams" taking up over 24 minutes of the album.
They could have easily put 18 minutes of an improv jam on the main album (and given us an album as long as the first two) and never released the rest of the jams, so I am happy we got what we did. If it makes a difference, just put all the music into a single playlist or album on your digital players, or even find a way to segue them into the main album! Some of the jams have their own segue on the bonus disc though, so you might have to fade them to make your own segues.
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Really cool, Marc! Their chemistry in the jams always was truly amazing!
A Night At The Improv is the title of the second CD? It was recorded in just one night from their recording sessions?
I don't think it was all one night, I think that's just a play on the typical sort of show that comedians would put on "A Night At The Improv", The Improv being a place where comedians would come out and do their routines, but "improv", in the musical sense, means improvising, so it sort of has a double meaning here.
According to the liner notes, the band had four separate jam sessions of about half an hour to an hour each, which is where the five tracks come from, as well as the main album track "Liquid Evolution".
-Marc.
Very interesting, thanks for the insight!
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Well, to be fair, there are still two improvised jams on the main album, albeit one is a duet with Chris & Kevin, but to me, they flow fairly well in the overall scheme of things. If you look at the first album, not counting "Three Minute Warning" at the end, there are only three improvs as well, totaling 7:47 long (including the Chris & Kevin track), which is still shorter than the 8:26 of improv music we get on LTE3. I think we got spoiled for improv material on LTE3, between tracks like "Chewbacca" and "Liquid Dreams" taking up over 24 minutes of the album.
They could have easily put 18 minutes of an improv jam on the main album (and given us an album as long as the first two) and never released the rest of the jams, so I am happy we got what we did. If it makes a difference, just put all the music into a single playlist or album on your digital players, or even find a way to segue them into the main album! Some of the jams have their own segue on the bonus disc though, so you might have to fade them to make your own segues.
I am still trying to get used to the album, so I cannot imagine doing my own running order as of yet. But I get what you are saying. :tup :tup
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A true double album for LTE4 could happen. Composed music spread out between 2 discs filled with jams.
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Got my shipped email, fingers crossed the artbook is here friday.
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Got my artbook last night. Absolutely gorgeous presentation. Haven't had time to read or listen to everything yet, but I love what I've heard.
Liquid Evolution is very satisfying to me.
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Got my artbook last night. Absolutely gorgeous presentation. Haven't had time to read or listen to everything yet, but I love what I've heard.
Liquid Evolution is very satisfying to me.
Did you read all the lyrics yet?
Btw, where's the best place to order the box set. Is Century Media dependable?
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Got my artbook last night. Absolutely gorgeous presentation. Haven't had time to read or listen to everything yet, but I love what I've heard.
Liquid Evolution is very satisfying to me.
I've heard the whole album, including the improv jams and it does not disappoint :hefdaddy
When you consider the time between the last release and this one, it's pretty amazing that these guys seem to have picked up right where they left off. :hat
Pretty sure everyone is going to really like this.
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By the way, kudos to LaserCD who have always managed to get my pre-orders to me a day or two ahead of the official release date and LTE3 was no exception. My box set came day before yesterday.
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By the way, kudos to LaserCD who have always managed to get my pre-orders to me a day or two ahead of the official release date and LTE3 was no exception. My box set came day before yesterday.
Gotta second this. My artbook arrived on Monday, four days early! They also delivered my Transatlantic TAU set early as well!
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My artbook arrived yesterday even though I’m in Canada. I was surprised.
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Got my artbook last night. Absolutely gorgeous presentation. Haven't had time to read or listen to everything yet, but I love what I've heard.
Liquid Evolution is very satisfying to me.
Did you read all the lyrics yet?
Btw, where's the best place to order the box set. Is Century Media dependable?
I used Century Media with no issues. Got it a few days early.
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I used Century Media, they've been good. They did have the issue with the DT artbook for Distant Memories but I was in no rush.
My artbook is set to arrive Saturday though they shipped it a few days ago.
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Got my artbook last night. Absolutely gorgeous presentation. Haven't had time to read or listen to everything yet, but I love what I've heard.
Liquid Evolution is very satisfying to me.
Did you read all the lyrics yet?
Btw, where's the best place to order the box set. Is Century Media dependable?
I used Century Media with no issues. Got it a few days early.
Thanks man! :tup
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The deluxe version is on Spotify:
https://open.spotify.com/album/6GDFV4kWsQDYuah6tSqmu2?si=1fah51jWTZWTvD-SOyJH7g
I’m loving the second CD! The jams really have great musical maturity, they seem almost like composed songs. :hefdaddy
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Century Media this time also provided download links for the deluxe edition and it looks like I might actually get my artbook today!
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Amazing album. Haven't lost a beat.
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Totally agree and to me BOTH CDs are amazing!
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Heard it once in full. Sounds great!
A lot to absorb but I think I'm going to love this after a few more spins.
Rhapsody is epic.
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It’s a great album. The new Chris and Kevin was a bit weird for the first minute or so but I loved the whole album.
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Just had my first listen and it's my favorite LTE album. I think it loses a little steam around Rhapsody in Blue but overall solid album.
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Just finished the main disc. Superb stuff, best Dream Theater related album since Octavarium. I thought this was pretty fire all the way through, with enough peaks and valleys to keep my interest up. This is the closest thing to a new,
real DT album we're going to get. Can't help thinking throughout, "where has this band been???"
Album opens up intensely, and keeps it up for a while. RIB sounds fantastic, and that last tune on the main album was smoking. The calmer moments were nice as well, and much needed between all the other insanity. I will listen to the bonus disc later...
Definitely the heaviest LTE album yet. JP sounds great as usual, JR is all over this album, MP is MP but I feel like this album is an adrenaline shot to his style of playing, he hasn't sounded this good in a while (and I thought he sounded great on The Absolute Universe) Tony Levin sounds pretty good despite the guitars, keys and drums dominating the mix. He was never that loud in the mix on LTE1 or LTE2 either, though. The album also sounds a lot better than wherever I listened to the first single (on Spotify maybe?) Pretty good mix overall.
While I get the whole "it's like one day went by, not 20 years" when describing LTE3, let's be honest, some of the riffs on this album could only have been created post-Systematic Chaos.. but I will hand it to the band, they really do sound youthful and energetic on this release, and there's emotions and sounds I've not heard on a DT album since MP left the band.
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There are some real goosebumps moments in here. Liquid Evolution is so just so beautiful. Some of the solos remind me of old school DT. Some ACOS, These Walls and a little bit of Sacrificed sons vibes in there.
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This album contains the spirit of the music I felt dissipated over time in DT. There's a freshness to the music that seemed to not be there as much when DT signed over to Roadrunner. This album surely ranks up there with the first two LTE albums, but the energy of those two albums carried over to DT world and stayed there until Octavarium imo. After that album, while there have been great moments throughout, and I have a soft spot for BC&SL, to me, musically, the last 6 DT albums have either felt stale/uninspired, overly complex for the sake of it without regard to composition, contain more than one awkward transition in their songs, and/or sound like DT-by-numbers.
LTE3 is none of that. Throw in some JLB vocals on a few of the tunes somewhere, and this is what should have followed up Octavarium.
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Downloaded from iTunes. :2metal:
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Here's my transcription of Rhapsody in Blue, stay tuned for Key to the Imagination tomorrow!
Liquid Tension Experiment | Rhapsody in Blue | Guitar Tab (https://youtu.be/f9SpimlEt-s)
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The artbook has fantastic notes on each track. Interesting to know that Liquid Evolution is an excerpt from Band Jam #4 (there 4 jam sessions each 1/2 hour) The rest appear to be compositions, with of course the Chris and Kevin continuing the MP and TL saga.
Will have to dive in the doc sometime today.
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I absolutely love their studio recording of Rhapsody in Blue. Just tremendous.
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The mix and master are very dynamic, this is easily the most pleasant sounding DT-related album since Six Degrees. Need more time to digest the music, but I hope the next DT release will sound similar.
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There's a video of the band jam to Ya Mon on the Blu-ray, so fun to watch them all play together! This is such a great put-together package.
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Well now I know why Distance Over Time is underwhelming me. Petrucci saved all his best riffs for this LTE album. These songs are incredible. Especially Hypersonic, Beating The Odds, The Passage of Time, Key to the Imagination. even the totally unexpected Gershwin cover, Rhapsody in Blue is fresh and interesting.
I agree 100% with Darkshade, this should have been what Dream Theater was doing after Octavarium.
My only critique is the bass (chapman stick) is too low in the mix sometimes.
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This is very good. Love the tone and overall sound.
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This album contains the spirit of the music I felt dissipated over time in DT. There's a freshness to the music that seemed to not be there as much when DT signed over to Roadrunner. This album surely ranks up there with the first two LTE albums, but the energy of those two albums carried over to DT world and stayed there until Octavarium imo. After that album, while there have been great moments throughout, and I have a soft spot for BC&SL, to me, musically, the last 6 DT albums have either felt stale/uninspired, overly complex for the sake of it without regard to composition, contain more than one awkward transition in their songs, and/or sound like DT-by-numbers.
LTE3 is none of that. Throw in some JLB vocals on a few of the tunes somewhere, and this is what should have followed up Octavarium.
oh God, please no.
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2nd disc is nice, and makes me realize this is the 6th disc of original Liquid Tension music.
This album contains the spirit of the music I felt dissipated over time in DT. There's a freshness to the music that seemed to not be there as much when DT signed over to Roadrunner. This album surely ranks up there with the first two LTE albums, but the energy of those two albums carried over to DT world and stayed there until Octavarium imo. After that album, while there have been great moments throughout, and I have a soft spot for BC&SL, to me, musically, the last 6 DT albums have either felt stale/uninspired, overly complex for the sake of it without regard to composition, contain more than one awkward transition in their songs, and/or sound like DT-by-numbers.
LTE3 is none of that. Throw in some JLB vocals on a few of the tunes somewhere, and this is what should have followed up Octavarium.
oh God, please no.
I don't want vocals on this. I'm just saying hypothetically, if SC was more like this album instead of the more metal direction they took after 8vm.
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Rhapsody In Blue is a tremendous recording. It's cool to know the cool down section was taken from a live performance, something I'm not sure has been done on any previous LTE or DT album, and I think it works pretty well.
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I am with most of you. This is great stuff.
While the similarities to DT are hard to avoid at times, it's still amazing to me how much more I enjoy Rudess' playing with LTE than I do in DT (and I usually his playing in DT a lot, some wanky solos and choice of sounds aside).
Levin and Portnoy are killing it here as well, and once again Petrucci is just showing what a monster of a player he is (creatively, as I am not the type to usually gush over crazy technical playing).
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In LTE, Rudess has more freedom. I think he used to have more freedom in DT when he first joined too, but both he and MP have stated "things are different in DT" in regards to LTE comparisons.
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The main album is great, but the bonus disc is also a nice surprised. Very cool to just hear these guys straight-up jamming.
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Still getting to grips with this. Art book hasn’t arrived yet so am just listening on Apple Music. It’s funny that someone mentioned the cool down section in Rhapsody In Blue is from a live performance as that’s exactly how it felt when I was listening to it, that I was listening to them live. That being said, I’m going to be the killjoy who says that I wish RIB wasn’t on the album. I don’t care for the piece of music anyway and didn’t care for the LTE version on the 2008 live albums so no surprise that I don’t care for it here either. I can understand it at a live show as a fun showcase for them but I don’t need it on their new album. I would prefer, if it was included at all, that it was maybe a bonus track on disc 2 rather than part of the main album.
It’s early days but not grabbing me as much as the first 2 albums yet. It’s good but not hearing anything on the level of WTWB, Universal Mind, Acid Rain or Paradigm Shift, at least not yet.
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In LTE, Rudess has more freedom. I think he used to have more freedom in DT when he first joined too, but both he and MP have stated "things are different in DT" in regards to LTE comparisons.
Yep, even though DT is know for their extended instrumental sections, with LTE, it feels like they are able to expand more and really get expansive with the structures. There is a loose feel that is certainly unique to LTE. And with all due respect to John Myung, who is great, the awesomeness of Tony Levin certainly is an element that takes the project up an extra notch or two.
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The main album is great, but the bonus disc is also a nice surprised. Very cool to just hear these guys straight-up jamming.
For sure. Hard to lock down too many specific favorites yes, but Blink of an Eye is certainly one I find myself going back to a lot so far.
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Still getting to grips with this. Art book hasn’t arrived yet so am just listening on Apple Music. It’s funny that someone mentioned the cool down section in Rhapsody In Blue is from a live performance as that’s exactly how it felt when I was listening to it, that I was listening to them live. That being said, I’m going to be the killjoy who says that I wish RIB wasn’t on the album. I don’t care for the piece of music anyway and didn’t care for the LTE version on the 2008 live albums so no surprise that I don’t care for it here either. I can understand it at a live show as a fun showcase for them but I don’t need it on their new album. I would prefer, if it was included at all, that it was maybe a bonus track on disc 2 rather than part of the main album.
It’s early days but not grabbing me as much as the first 2 albums yet. It’s good but not hearing anything on the level of WTWB, Universal Mind, Acid Rain or Paradigm Shift, at least not yet.
Before I heard the album, I expressed the same sentiment about Rhapsody in Blue - why put a cover on the album and relegate other great new songs to the bonus disc? But, they did so a great job with RIB that I am good with it now. The live version from '08, which I only listened to a few times, didn't really knock my socks off, but this new version is something else.
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Yea I thought RIB would be a low point, but it's well put together, and pretty heavy. I think the whole album flows very well actually. Every track is in the right place, the pacing is excellent.
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The main album is great, but the bonus disc is also a nice surprised. Very cool to just hear these guys straight-up jamming.
For sure. Hard to lock down too many specific favorites yes, but Blink of an Eye is certainly one I find myself going back to a lot so far.
If Blink of an Eye had a proper intro, I would immediately believe that it was a composed song, not a jam. And its second half, with John/Jordan WOW :o :hefdaddy
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DT Facebook page it’s promoting the new LTE album, very classy.
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The bonus disc jams are also great, they actually feel like with a little rework they could have fit on the main disc. I'm so glad they decided to release it.
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My CD was delivered this evening and had to run some errands so got to listen to the first 4 tracks in the car. Think it’s gonna be a fun driving album. Of those 4 tracks, the middle two blew me away while the other two were also cool but a bit heavy handed. Nothing bad, just not as interesting to me. But I do really like the sound of this, and it definitely captures the vibe and spirit of what made LTE so exciting back in the day.
Edit: heh, just realized track 4 was The Passage of Time (the one track I had already heard). Wasn’t looking at the track list while driving and hadn’t really internalized the song enough to recognize it I guess. Checking out the CD liner and I’m a little bummed there aren’t any liner notes like in the first two albums. Always thought that was a fun touch.
Second edit: what’s up with Inside Out releases not having the artwork uploaded to the Microsoft database for when you rip a CD? Surprisingly The Absolute Universe did, but the last two IO albums I got before that didn’t and neither does LTE3. Annoying.
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My CD was delivered this evening and had to run some errands so got to listen to the first 4 tracks in the car. Think it’s gonna be a fun driving album. Of those 4 tracks, the middle two blew me away while the other two were also cool but a bit heavy handed. Nothing bad, just not as interesting to me. But I do really like the sound of this, and it definitely captures the vibe and spirit of what made LTE so exciting back in the day.
Edit: heh, just realized track 4 was The Passage of Time (the one track I had already heard). Wasn’t looking at the track list while driving and hadn’t really internalized the song enough to recognize it I guess. Checking out the CD liner and I’m a little bummed there aren’t any liner notes like in the first two albums. Always thought that was a fun touch.
Second edit: what’s up with Inside Out releases not having the artwork uploaded to the Microsoft database for when you rip a CD? Surprisingly The Absolute Universe did, but the last two IO albums I got before that didn’t and neither does LTE3. Annoying.
The CD-only set doesn't have the liner notes?? I'm glad I got the artbook then! There's a printed foreward/intro, interview and tidbits for each song.
-Marc.
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My CD was delivered this evening and had to run some errands so got to listen to the first 4 tracks in the car. Think it’s gonna be a fun driving album. Of those 4 tracks, the middle two blew me away while the other two were also cool but a bit heavy handed. Nothing bad, just not as interesting to me. But I do really like the sound of this, and it definitely captures the vibe and spirit of what made LTE so exciting back in the day.
Edit: heh, just realized track 4 was The Passage of Time (the one track I had already heard). Wasn’t looking at the track list while driving and hadn’t really internalized the song enough to recognize it I guess. Checking out the CD liner and I’m a little bummed there aren’t any liner notes like in the first two albums. Always thought that was a fun touch.
Second edit: what’s up with Inside Out releases not having the artwork uploaded to the Microsoft database for when you rip a CD? Surprisingly The Absolute Universe did, but the last two IO albums I got before that didn’t and neither does LTE3. Annoying.
The CD-only set doesn't have the liner notes?? I'm glad I got the artbook then! There's a printed foreward/intro, interview and tidbits for each song.
-Marc.
Nope. It's the song tidbits I was hoping for. I get needing to keep some stuff exclusive to the special package, but those song blurbs were a bit of an LTE tradition. There's just photos of the band (which are pretty cool) with a few thanks/acknowledgements by each guy.
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Yea those liner notes or "lyrics" ;D on the artbook are great. I have to go through the essay as well. I'm loving these artbooks everyone has been putting out.
There's no mention of the video of the guys jamming Ya Mon, you have to click the '3' on the bluray menu to view it. It's not even listed anywhere and is a nice surprise honeslty.
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Yea those liner notes or "lyrics" ;D on the artbook are great. I have to go through the essay as well. I'm loving these artbooks everyone has been putting out.
There's no mention of the video of the guys jamming Ya Mon, you have to click the '3' on the bluray menu to view it. It's not even listed anywhere and is a nice surprise honeslty.
Wait...there's a legit on-disc Easter Egg?! What is this, 1999? Hot damn, I'll have to check this out! Thanks for the heads up!
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Blink of an Eye is fucking insane.
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Blink of an Eye is fucking insane.
I’m two tracks in on the jam disc, and both of these are great so far. In some ways I’m enjoying these more than the main disc.
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DT Facebook page it’s promoting the new LTE album, very classy.
Why wouldn’t they when 2 members of DT are in the band?
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Blink of an Eye is fucking insane.
I’m two tracks in on the jam disc, and both of these are great so far. In some ways I’m enjoying these more than the main disc.
That's how I feel, the main disc is good and enjoyable but the jams capture their chemistry so perfectly and it reflects throughout in a very organic way.
Blink of an eye, Solid resolution and Your Beard is Good are my favorite so far.
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LTE3 is really giving me the SFAM/6DoIT vibes, but with something a little extra in there. The energy level is so high on this album.
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You knew it was coming. Where do you rank LTE3 among the other LTE studio albums and DT studio albums? I stuck in the JP solo albums as well..
*****
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
Images and Words
Awake
Scenes From A Memory
Liquid Tension Experiment 2
Octavarium
****
Train of Thought
Liquid Tension Experiment 3
Liquid Tension Experiment
Black Clouds & Silver Linings
Falling Into Infinity
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A Dramatic Turn of Events
Terminal Velocity
Suspended Animation
Systematic Chaos
Distance Over Time
**
When Dream and Day Unite
DT12
Spontaneous Combustion
The Astonishing
LTE2 is hard to top for me, but I think LTE3 is at least as good as LTE1. I'm giving it the edge because I am just loving this entire release.
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It is waaaay too soon for me to rank LTE3, but I know that LTE1 and LTE2 would rank ahead of every DT album for me not named Awake, Scenes from a Memory or Images and Words.
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Oh man, that last tune, Key to the Imagination is so good. There's a lot to chew on with that one.
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I've only heard LTE3 once, so I couldn't reasonably rank it yet. That said, LTE + DT for me is as follows:
1. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
2. Black Clouds & Silver Linings
3. Octavarium
4. Liquid Tension Experiment 2
5. Liquid Tension Experiment
6. Metropolis Part 2: Scenes From A Memory
7. A Dramatic Turn of Events
8. The Astonishing
9. Distance Over Time
10. Systematic Chaos
11. Images & Words
12. Awake
13. Dream Theater
14. Train of Thought
15. Falling Into Infinity
16. When Dream and Day Unite
17. Spontaneous Combustion
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Oh man, that last tune, Key to the Imagination is so good. There's a lot to chew on with that one.
Yep, it’s kind of the When The Water Breaks of this album. Some really cool and unique passages. It has some amazing playing by Tony. Someone said they though he was too low in the mix, but I thought he came through really well on both discs and might be the star of the album.
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Oh man, that last tune, Key to the Imagination is so good. There's a lot to chew on with that one.
Yep, it’s kind of the When The Water Breaks of this album. Some really cool and unique passages. It has some amazing playing by Tony. Someone said they though he was too low in the mix, but I thought he came through really well on both discs and might be the star of the album.
On my good speakers, Levin's bass cuts right through. I think he's mixed better here than on the first 2 albums.
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This album contains the spirit of the music I felt dissipated over time in DT. There's a freshness to the music that seemed to not be there as much when DT signed over to Roadrunner. This album surely ranks up there with the first two LTE albums, but the energy of those two albums carried over to DT world and stayed there until Octavarium imo. After that album, while there have been great moments throughout, and I have a soft spot for BC&SL, to me, musically, the last 6 DT albums have either felt stale/uninspired, overly complex for the sake of it without regard to composition, contain more than one awkward transition in their songs, and/or sound like DT-by-numbers.
LTE3 is none of that. Throw in some JLB vocals on a few of the tunes somewhere, and this is what should have followed up Octavarium.
Funny thing for me is, That is the sound that I felt got stale in Dream Theater, and the sound I was kind of getting tired of hearing, every album had that, oh, here's another LTE inspired type of instrumental.
And what's even funnier, is that LTE 3 has certain sections that are really reminiscent of Systematic Chaos and Black Clouds and Silver Linings...
In Beating The Odds, they basically do a re-do of In The Presence of Enemies Pt. 2 end instrumental section at 2:14, especially MP's drum parts, they sound exactly the same :lol ...and at about 1:30, and 4:30 they do something that reminds me of Ministry of Lost Souls. But the main riff and groove remind me of the "My brother gabriel...music is the gift he brings" part of The Gift of Music. :lol
I wouldn't mind it at all, if MP played Drum Parts that are not reminiscent of those past songs, almost even playing an identical drum pattern for those sections. :lol
But, I do enjoy it a bit. Not as much as the other two, because of this reason that most of these songs sound like Dream Theater songs. And not vice-versa, My favorites are Liquid Evolution and The Keys to The Imagination. Now these are what I wanted to hear from LTE.
Shades of Hope was vastly disappointing to me because it sounds so similar to The Best of Times, and it doesn't have that same impact as Hourglass, State of Grace or Freedom of Speech. I do hear this though in Liquid Evolution...
Rhapsody In Blue is a great cover. I just wish it was relegated to the bonus disk or left off the album completely. This would've left room for another full composition.
I haven't listened to the bonus disk yet, but I am starting to think I may end up enjoying those more than the actual album...
For my first listen ranking it'd go:
1. Liquid Evolution
2. Keys to The Imagination
3. Hypersonic
4. Beating The Odds
5. The Passage of Time
6. Rhapsody In Blue
7. Chris and Kevin's Amazing Odyssey
Edit: I am listening again, and the ITPOE pt.2 sections are also in The Passage of Time as well. And it's due to Portnoys drum patterns being pretty similar.
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In LTE, Rudess has more freedom. I think he used to have more freedom in DT when he first joined too, but both he and MP have stated "things are different in DT" in regards to LTE comparisons.
In general Rudess sounds way more creative outside of DT these days. Listen to Rudess/Minnemann/Levin and the same is true.
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You knew it was coming. Where do you rank LTE3 among the other LTE studio albums and DT studio albums? I stuck in the JP solo albums as well..
*****
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
Images and Words
Awake
Scenes From A Memory
Liquid Tension Experiment 2
Octavarium
****
Train of Thought
Liquid Tension Experiment 3
Liquid Tension Experiment
Black Clouds & Silver Linings
Falling Into Infinity
***
A Dramatic Turn of Events
Terminal Velocity
Suspended Animation
Systematic Chaos
Distance Over Time
**
When Dream and Day Unite
DT12
Spontaneous Combustion
The Astonishing
LTE2 is hard to top for me, but I think LTE3 is at least as good as LTE1. I'm giving it the edge because I am just loving this entire release.
Album ranking after less than 24 hours ROFL
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Oh man, that last tune, Key to the Imagination is so good. There's a lot to chew on with that one.
Yep, it’s kind of the When The Water Breaks of this album. Some really cool and unique passages. It has some amazing playing by Tony. Someone said they though he was too low in the mix, but I thought he came through really well on both discs and might be the star of the album.
On my good speakers, Levin's bass cuts right through. I think he's mixed better here than on the first 2 albums.
Some of what I’m hearing might be JP’s bottom string (not sure if he’s playing 7 string or what). I do think the sound and mix are pretty great overall.
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This album contains the spirit of the music I felt dissipated over time in DT. There's a freshness to the music that seemed to not be there as much when DT signed over to Roadrunner. This album surely ranks up there with the first two LTE albums, but the energy of those two albums carried over to DT world and stayed there until Octavarium imo. After that album, while there have been great moments throughout, and I have a soft spot for BC&SL, to me, musically, the last 6 DT albums have either felt stale/uninspired, overly complex for the sake of it without regard to composition, contain more than one awkward transition in their songs, and/or sound like DT-by-numbers.
LTE3 is none of that. Throw in some JLB vocals on a few of the tunes somewhere, and this is what should have followed up Octavarium.
Funny thing for me is, That is the sound that I felt got stale in Dream Theater, and the sound I was kind of getting tired of hearing, every album had that, oh, here's another LTE inspired type of instrumental.
I always felt like the band struggled to incorporate the LTE style into Dream Theater when Jordan joined the band. It’s more fun when it’s just a crazy instrumental thing and less fun when you try to turn it into actual songs with a singer. I do hear a lot of the same over-the-top stylings as modern DT on this album, but I can deal with it better in this context. No James trying to sing about the smell of stale sweat and shit over it.
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Liquid Tension Experiment | Key to the Imagination | Guitar Tab (https://youtu.be/ocrE2_BJe7A)
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My Japanese edition arrived yesterday (waiting for my artbook, which hasn't even left Germany ..... crazy world). Very minimalist insert, some photos and thanks, but the content of the CDs (and particularly in this edition in BSCD2) makes up for everything that was missing, in this case I didn't really need a word.
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My CD was delivered this evening and had to run some errands so got to listen to the first 4 tracks in the car. Think it’s gonna be a fun driving album. Of those 4 tracks, the middle two blew me away while the other two were also cool but a bit heavy handed. Nothing bad, just not as interesting to me. But I do really like the sound of this, and it definitely captures the vibe and spirit of what made LTE so exciting back in the day.
Edit: heh, just realized track 4 was The Passage of Time (the one track I had already heard). Wasn’t looking at the track list while driving and hadn’t really internalized the song enough to recognize it I guess. Checking out the CD liner and I’m a little bummed there aren’t any liner notes like in the first two albums. Always thought that was a fun touch.
Second edit: what’s up with Inside Out releases not having the artwork uploaded to the Microsoft database for when you rip a CD? Surprisingly The Absolute Universe did, but the last two IO albums I got before that didn’t and neither does LTE3. Annoying.
The CD-only set doesn't have the liner notes?? I'm glad I got the artbook then! There's a printed foreward/intro, interview and tidbits for each song.
-Marc.
Nope. It's the song tidbits I was hoping for. I get needing to keep some stuff exclusive to the special package, but those song blurbs were a bit of an LTE tradition. There's just photos of the band (which are pretty cool) with a few thanks/acknowledgements by each guy.
Did anyone order the 3LP boxset and has received it already? Does that version include the liner notes?
DT Facebook page it’s promoting the new LTE album, very classy.
Why wouldn’t they when 2 members of DT are in the band?
Because under every post, there's always half a million annoying comments about Portnoy having to return to Dream Theater and once they post something that's actually about Portnoy, those half a million become a full million.
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DT Facebook page it’s promoting the new LTE album, very classy.
Why wouldn’t they when 2 members of DT are in the band?
Because under every post, there's always half a million annoying comments about Portnoy having to return to Dream Theater and once they post something that's actually about Portnoy, those half a million become a full million.
Ummmm - didn't DT's Facebook page also promote JP's last solo album, which also had MP? :omg:
I think they've learned to deal with and accept that. ;)
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Song ranking time!
1: Key to the Imagination
2: Beating the Odds
3: Hypersonic
4: The Passage of Time
5: Rhapsody in Blue (I only have it this low because it’s a cover but I absolutely love it)
6: Liquid Evolution
7: Shades of Hope
8: Chris & Kevin’s Amazing Odyssey
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Song ranking time!
1: Key to the Imagination
2: Beating the Odds
3: Hypersonic
4: The Passage of Time
5: Rhapsody in Blue (I only have it this low because it’s a cover but I absolutely love it)
6: Liquid Evolution
7: Shades of Hope
8: Chris & Kevin’s Amazing Odyssey
I actually really like the Chris & Kevin track, and Liquid Evolution is amazing. Probably my favorite so far. Beating the Odds is really good too though. I’d say my early favorites are:
1. Liquid Evolution
2. Beating the Odds
3. Key to the Imagination
But I also think the jams from the second disc may top some of those.
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A note line from Mike regarding the bonus disc:
(https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPXA_eOlXaLYTqXvQZTu5mVH0FbE9NnH1bj6qxfFMfn9Qho4AqFKnA2FC-i8U0y8A?key=djNKcmdpbjdvM1BaczZEc19SS2o1OEIzLUhBaDV3)
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https://shop.mikeportnoy.com/collections/dvds/products/mike-portnoy-lte-3-liquid-tension-experiment-3-drum-cam-dvd
Mike has listed his Drum Cam DVD up for sale! I ordered it as fast as I possibly could! Cannot wait to watch it!
-Marc.
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A note line from Mike regarding the bonus disc
https://photos.app.goo.gl/YC4Y65yp3UKy5YVq7 (https://photos.app.goo.gl/YC4Y65yp3UKy5YVq7)
(For some reason I can't post the photos directly here) :-\
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A note line from Mike regarding the bonus disc
https://photos.app.goo.gl/YC4Y65yp3UKy5YVq7 (https://photos.app.goo.gl/YC4Y65yp3UKy5YVq7)
(For some reason I can't post the photos directly here) :-\
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3cjJX1h7YV3ZMLJmRFLd0BOsf8RX0ol6iHyo5uVhdno3_sWpqgaRbC26efNdEoz3PkuoN5_3KC77ogc273Y91yIf-ClNQM8hr72o06SebSl8JyeIR4ihqc0FvbdhzudV3mo-fg46E5iMXaWJ5jAF7w6=w1080-h609-no?authuser=0)
Does this work?
-Marc.
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I also really like Chris and Kevin's Amazing Odyssey, it reminds me a lot some drums/bass jams that Primus does live.
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A note line from Mike regarding the bonus disc
https://photos.app.goo.gl/YC4Y65yp3UKy5YVq7 (https://photos.app.goo.gl/YC4Y65yp3UKy5YVq7)
(For some reason I can't post the photos directly here) :-\
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3cjJX1h7YV3ZMLJmRFLd0BOsf8RX0ol6iHyo5uVhdno3_sWpqgaRbC26efNdEoz3PkuoN5_3KC77ogc273Y91yIf-ClNQM8hr72o06SebSl8JyeIR4ihqc0FvbdhzudV3mo-fg46E5iMXaWJ5jAF7w6=w1080-h609-no?authuser=0)
Does this work?
-Marc.
Yes, now it's worked. Do you know what happened? ???
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A note line from Mike regarding the bonus disc
https://photos.app.goo.gl/YC4Y65yp3UKy5YVq7 (https://photos.app.goo.gl/YC4Y65yp3UKy5YVq7)
(For some reason I can't post the photos directly here) :-\
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3cjJX1h7YV3ZMLJmRFLd0BOsf8RX0ol6iHyo5uVhdno3_sWpqgaRbC26efNdEoz3PkuoN5_3KC77ogc273Y91yIf-ClNQM8hr72o06SebSl8JyeIR4ihqc0FvbdhzudV3mo-fg46E5iMXaWJ5jAF7w6=w1080-h609-no?authuser=0)
Does this work?
-Marc.
Yes, now it's worked. Do you know what happened? ???
In order to use the img tags, you need to have the actual .jpg file address, but your link just goes to the photo viewer page, not the actual image itself.
As for the note itself, I assume this is under the bonus disc in the 2CD digipak, right? I meant to bring it up in my review of the artbook earlier in the thread when I got it this past Monday but I probably forgot. I would love to hear all of those jams, unedited and raw, or even watch them if they have all of the jam sessions video recorded (which seems they might, or at least Mike does).
-Marc.
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As for the note itself, I assume this is under the bonus disc in the 2CD digipak, right? I meant to bring it up in my review of the artbook earlier in the thread when I got it this past Monday but I probably forgot. I would love to hear all of those jams, unedited and raw, or even watch them if they have all of the jam sessions video recorded (which seems they might, or at least Mike does).
-Marc.
Yep, it’s hiding under the CD. So there is at least some commentary from MP in the regular CD package!
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Does this work?
-Marc.
Yes, now it's worked. Do you know what happened? ???
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In order to use the img tags, you need to have the actual .jpg file address, but your link just goes to the photo viewer page, not the actual image itself.
As for the note itself, I assume this is under the bonus disc in the 2CD digipak, right? I meant to bring it up in my review of the artbook earlier in the thread when I got it this past Monday but I probably forgot. I would love to hear all of those jams, unedited and raw, or even watch them if they have all of the jam sessions video recorded (which seems they might, or at least Mike does).
-Marc.
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Thanks for the tip, I was not aware of it ;)
Exactly, it is printed there as it has also confirmed HOF :tup
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So I stated that I was finding it hard to get excited about the new LTE.
Well, I heard gave it a listen today and I must say...It's amazing!!
It is so nice to finally hear MP again playing this style. I've had basically zero interest in anything he's done since he left DT, and listening today, it's almost bittersweet.
I love his playing and I miss it in DT. JP is fucking smoking on this as well. They really make a great team.
I also like the sort of insight that MP used to deliver for DT in the blurb about the jam tracks in the picture posted above. It actually explains what I don't like about the first two LTE albums.
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Hypersonic - fantastically thrilling
Beating the Odds - meh
Liquid Evolution - the most LTE song on the album. Brings back memories.
Passage of Time - meh
C & K odyssey - what a waste of 5 min
Rhapsody in Blue - as some have pointed out , I would’ve preferred this as a bonus track and have another original instead.
Shades of Hope - sweet
Key to Imagination - Phenomenal!
Some fun runs and interesting bits in the jams.
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Loving the album so far, just purchased MP Drum Cam version download, brilliant.
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Oh man, that last tune, Key to the Imagination is so good. There's a lot to chew on with that one.
Yep, that is definitely a standout. Levin's groove in that one is bad ass as hell.
I actually really like the Chris & Kevin track, and Liquid Evolution is amazing. Probably my favorite so far. Beating the Odds is really good too though. I’d say my early favorites are:
1. Liquid Evolution
2. Beating the Odds
3. Key to the Imagination
But I also think the jams from the second disc may top some of those.
Liquid Evolution is really good, but I definitely wish it was longer. Feels like it is just getting great when it ends.
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Can anyone with the BD handy tell me if there is some loud static/popping noise at around 31:16 into the album, not far into the beginning of "Rhapsody In Blue", in the STEREO mix of the album?
I double checked the 5.1 Mixes and they both sounded clean, but for SOME reason, in the stereo mix at that time stamp, there is some invasive loud popping static for about 8-10 seconds. It's It's only blemish I've heard on the BD's stereo mix so far as I'm giving it giving it better watch/listen tonight.
-Marc.
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Did anyone order the 3LP boxset and has received it already? Does that version include the liner notes?
I have the deluxe LP/blu-ray version. It contains a 12" booklet with the liner notes. Suspect the 3LP version is the same but can't conclusively confirm.
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Can anyone with the BD handy tell me if there is some loud static/popping noise at around 31:16 into the album, not far into the beginning of "Rhapsody In Blue", in the STEREO mix of the album?
I double checked the 5.1 Mixes and they both sounded clean, but for SOME reason, in the stereo mix at that time stamp, there is some invasive loud popping static for about 8-10 seconds. It's It's only blemish I've heard on the BD's stereo mix so far as I'm giving it giving it better watch/listen tonight.
-Marc.
Can confirm mine exhibits the same behaviour from 31:15 to about 31:22, so looks like we're all going to be affected. Time for a reissue. (Have reported to Burning Shed.)
The 'back' arrow on the blu-ray between the section and option you're choosing also needs to be changed since if you're using a mouse and run over the arrow, it automatically pops you back to the section title.
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Can anyone with the BD handy tell me if there is some loud static/popping noise at around 31:16 into the album, not far into the beginning of "Rhapsody In Blue", in the STEREO mix of the album?
I double checked the 5.1 Mixes and they both sounded clean, but for SOME reason, in the stereo mix at that time stamp, there is some invasive loud popping static for about 8-10 seconds. It's It's only blemish I've heard on the BD's stereo mix so far as I'm giving it giving it better watch/listen tonight.
-Marc.
Can confirm mine exhibits the same behaviour from 31:15 to about 31:22, so looks like we're all going to be affected. Time for a reissue. (Have reported to Burning Shed.)
The 'back' arrow on the blu-ray between the section and option you're choosing also needs to be changed since if you're using a mouse and run over the arrow, it automatically pops you back to the section title.
Yup, just checked. It's there on my stereo mix as well. Bummer.
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Hypersonic - like the first 2:46 of it, which all seems to flow really well, it then just degenerates into noodling territory for me. Petrucci’s melodic solo is ok but the rest isn’t for me.
Beating The Odds - solid instrumental with some really nice melodic Petrucci moments.
Liquid Evolution - very nice little interlude, very Satriani-esque.
The Passage Of Time - Really good, some of the intense riffing of Hypersonic with the more structured feel of Beating The Odds. Nice melodic passages from Petrucci and Rudess with some noodling (it is LTE after all) but never ruins the flow of the song.
Chris and Kevin’s Amazing Odyssey - never been into any of these and this is no different. It’s probably the most listenable one they’ve done though.
Rhapsody In Blue - haven’t changed my opinion that this should have been a fun bonus track rather than taking up 12-13 min of the album. It was something that I used to always skip on the 2008 live releases and will probably end up being the same on this. I can see that there is some great playing in this and can see why they may do it as a fun live showcase but not on their long awaited new album. Just my opinion though.
Shades Of Hope - yawn. I was listening to this wondering why I could pretty much guess every note Petrucci was going to play before he played it and then realised that he was basically just playing a duller version of The Best Of Times.
Key To The Imagination - I can see this eventually becoming my favourite on the album. I still keep drifting off in the middle of it but some awesome riffs and solos and genuine goosebump inducing melodies from Petrucci.
Overall then, similar to all LTE records, it’s up and down but I don’t think it’s ups are quite on the level of the other two albums. It’s a bit similar to the Transatlantic album to me in that it’s a decent effort and I’m enjoying it but doesn’t quite recapture the magic of the old albums. I can see some on here suggesting it’s better than anything DT have done, post Portnoy. Not for me, not even close. I am someone who would quite like a Portnoy return for nostalgia reasons and because he was a founder member of the band but this album doesn’t really add to the argument one way or the other. I actually enjoyed the chemistry between Petrucci and Portnoy more on his solo album last year.
I haven’t given the jams too much attention yet, just kind of background listens but it does sound like there’s some really good stuff in there which may elevate this album a bit more.
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I listened to the entire package start to finish yesterday with headphones while cleaning the house with Mrs. NoseHair and I really enjoyed all of it.
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Hypersonic - like the first 2:46 of it, which all seems to flow really well, it then just degenerates into noodling territory for me. Petrucci’s melodic solo is ok but the rest isn’t for me.
Beating The Odds - solid instrumental with some really nice melodic Petrucci moments.
Liquid Evolution - very nice little interlude, very Satriani-esque.
The Passage Of Time - Really good, some of the intense riffing of Hypersonic with the more structured feel of Beating The Odds. Nice melodic passages from Petrucci and Rudess with some noodling (it is LTE after all) but never ruins the flow of the song.
Chris and Kevin’s Amazing Odyssey - never been into any of these and this is no different. It’s probably the most listenable one they’ve done though.
Rhapsody In Blue - haven’t changed my opinion that this should have been a fun bonus track rather than taking up 12-13 min of the album. It was something that I used to always skip on the 2008 live releases and will probably end up being the same on this. I can see that there is some great playing in this and can see why they may do it as a fun live showcase but not on their long awaited new album. Just my opinion though.
Shades Of Hope - yawn. I was listening to this wondering why I could pretty much guess every note Petrucci was going to play before he played it and then realised that he was basically just playing a duller version of The Best Of Times.
Key To The Imagination - I can see this eventually becoming my favourite on the album. I still keep drifting off in the middle of it but some awesome riffs and solos and genuine goosebump inducing melodies from Petrucci.
Overall then, similar to all LTE records, it’s up and down but I don’t think it’s ups are quite on the level of the other two albums. It’s a bit similar to the Transatlantic album to me in that it’s a decent effort and I’m enjoying it but doesn’t quite recapture the magic of the old albums. I can see some on here suggesting it’s better than anything DT have done, post Portnoy. Not for me, not even close. I am someone who would quite like a Portnoy return for nostalgia reasons and because he was a founder member of the band but this album doesn’t really add to the argument one way or the other. I actually enjoyed the chemistry between Petrucci and Portnoy more on his solo album last year.
I haven’t given the jams too much attention yet, just kind of background listens but it does sound like there’s some really good stuff in there which may elevate this album a bit more.
Finally, I realistic review instead of it being "the best LTE album" after one listen. Totally agree about RiB - if you take away the 3 singles, the transitional pieces and the cover, I feel like I was only left with 2 real tracks to dig into. Thank God for the bonus disc I guess. I wish they has just released one single so at least it would have felt fresher .
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I think the Rhapsody is the highlight of the album :hefdaddy
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I’m more or less in the camp of people who don’t care for Rhapsody and think it should have been left off the main album. There are parts of it which are pretty cool but on the whole it’s a long listen without a ton of payoff. Replace it with Blink of an Eye from the bonus disc maybe. I also don’t care for Shades of Hope which is a yawner much like State of Grace. The other somewhat weak spot is Hypersonic. It’s one you sort of put up with because it exists as a show off piece (much like Paradigm Shift and Acid Rain). Those songs are fun on a certain level but not terribly interesting. I think the jams are all more interesting than that one.
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Hypersonic definitely seems like a much lesser version of Acid Rain, but I don't mind if as a way of kicking off the record by slamming you in the face with a ball-rattler. :metal :metal
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Chris and Kevin’s Amazing Odyssey - never been into any of these and this is no different. It’s probably the most listenable one they’ve done though.
I've never been a huge C&K fan either - I tend to skip the one on the first LTE album, and am not missing the second installment from not appearing on LTE2.
However, I gotta say, that while this is not my favorite track on LTE3, I really do like it! Reminds me a bit of the extended part of Rush's By-Tor and the Snow Dog that only appears on All the World's a Stage, and the introductory track Intruder that was used to set up Van Halen's cover of Pretty Woman on Diver Down - both of which I love.
Hope whatever form C&K takes on the next LTE album will be more in line with what they did on this one.
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Hypersonic definitely seems like a much lesser version of Acid Rain, but I don't mind if as a way of kicking off the record by slamming you in the face with a ball-rattler. :metal :metal
Yeah, I don’t hate it and it was fun just to be sort of blown away right when you put the CD on the first time. Just not something I see myself listening to often (I actually often skip both Paradigm Shift and Acid Rain too).
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Yeah, I don’t hate it and it was fun just to be sort of blown away right when you put the CD on the first time. Just not something I see myself listening to often (I actually often skip both Paradigm Shift and Acid Rain too).
I love Paradigm Shift too much to ever skip that one, but Acid Rain has never been one of my favorites. I like it, but I don't love it like I do many of the other songs from the 2nd record. The 51-minute stretch of Another Dimension through Liquid Dreams will be difficult for them to ever top.
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I actually enjoy Acid Rain and Paradigm Shift a lot. Yes they are kind of show off pieces but they work as face-melting openers and still feel like proper composed tracks. Hypersonic starts off in that vein but at about the 2:45 mark it just goes totally off the rails and the remaining 6 min or whatever is just pointless wankery imo.
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I actually enjoy Acid Rain and Paradigm Shift a lot. Yes they are kind of show off pieces but they work as face-melting openers and still feel like proper composed tracks. Hypersonic starts off in that vein but at about the 2:45 mark it just goes totally off the rails and the remaining 6 min or whatever is just pointless wankery imo.
Yeah, I think Hypersonic needed a stronger hook/theme once the introductory wanking stops. I can more or less recall how it starts and ends but the middle is all just a bit mushy without much I can remember.
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Currently being blown away by Your Beard is Good. These jams are a ton of fun. I know not everyone likes that kind of thing, but they’re super impressive to me.
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Liquid Tension Experiment | Shades of Hope | Guitar Tab (https://youtu.be/y8EposT9Uk4)
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if you take away the 3 singles, the transitional pieces and the cover, I feel like I was only left with 2 real tracks to dig into. Thank God for the bonus disc I guess. I wish they has just released one single so at least it would have felt fresher .
This is why I didn't listen to the singles leading up to release (aside from one listen to The Passage of Time when it first got released.)
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As suspected, the jam songs do elevate this a lot now that I’m sitting down and listening to them. Not got through all of it yet but I could listen to them in full flow like this all day. Petrucci in particular just seems to have and endless supply of brilliance just at his fingertips whenever he needs it. That entire improvised show that they recorded (When The Keyboard Breaks) was incredible and this is so great too. It’s hard to believe that he (and I know it’s not just Petrucci but he is the lead player in a lot of it) just makes this up as he’s going along. I’d buy a ticket to watch a show where these just improv for 2 hours.
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The most impressive thing about LTE is how they manage to create such quality music just jamming along. What a chemistry! Although I love the jams songs from LTE1 and 2, I think the jams in LTE3 succeed to have even more musicality than in those albums. Well, they all have more 20 years as musicians, so, no surprise.
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I guess I’m the only one who absolutely loves Hypersonic. I find every single part enjoyable and memorable so to me it’s not just mindless wankery.
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Hypersonic and Key to the Imagination are my favorites from LTE3 and up there with the best songs of the band :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Hypersonic and Key to the Imagination are my favorites from LTE3 and up there with the best songs of the band :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
That last minute of Key to the imagination... bittersweet is the correct word
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I guess I’m the only one who absolutely loves Hypersonic. I find every single part enjoyable and memorable so to me it’s not just mindless wankery.
No, I think a lot of people like it and that’s awesome, I wish I did too. Maybe it will grow on me, that’s just how I feel at the moment.
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Love hypersonic, rhapsody and key. Classic LTE tracks.
Really like liquid evolution and shades too. Well needed breaks and great melodic tracks.
C&K is ok but I could also live without. Its interesting enough and something a little different though.
Beating the odds and passage are nice but nothing too special for LTE. Beating the odds almost sounds like a JP solo track. These may be the weakest 2 for me.
Love most of the jam stuff on disk 2.
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I love every single song on both discs, don't know what it is but I'm really enjoying every note of it.
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I love every single song on both discs, don't know what it is but I'm really enjoying every note of it.
Same with me. My least favorite is Shades of Hope, but it is still really good.
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This transcription completes LTE3! Always a blast to transcribe JP's stuff.
Liquid Tension Experiment | Liquid Evolution | Guitar Tab (https://youtu.be/2tD2k8GvcYU)
LTE3 tabs playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNYXfMfhF-A9bxJNK46S8GhWeulkfwWl8
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I love every single song on both discs, don't know what it is but I'm really enjoying every note of it.
Sure, there's favorites, but I'm totally in this camp too. Great, great and very inspired double album!
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This transcription completes LTE3! Always a blast to transcribe JP's stuff.
Liquid Tension Experiment | Liquid Evolution | Guitar Tab (https://youtu.be/2tD2k8GvcYU)
LTE3 tabs playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNYXfMfhF-A9bxJNK46S8GhWeulkfwWl8
Dude, you are ON IT! Thanks for sharing.. :tup
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Hopefully they got a lot of the shredding out of their system so that DT15 has a lot of well-developed soundscapes and melodic ideas.
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The jams are really enjoyable. What a pleasant surprise.
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The jams are really enjoyable. What a pleasant surprise.
I find myself enjoying them even more than the actual record/tracks...
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I love every single song on both discs, don't know what it is but I'm really enjoying every note of it.
Me too! Even the weirder stuff. I like that they put those in there to kind of break up the insanity of the other songs.
This may end up being my favorite LTE album.
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The jams are really enjoyable. What a pleasant surprise.
Yep. I have almost zero interest in the main disc but the bonus disc is definitely something I enjoy.
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The jams are really enjoyable. What a pleasant surprise.
Yep. I have almost zero interest in the main disc but the bonus disc is definitely something I enjoy.
I am enjoying the main disc quite a bit, but apart from Liquid Evolution most of the emotiveness and feel are on the bonus disc.
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I'm loving every second of both discs. They complement each other.
I thought about how I might get tired of RIB in the future, but so far when I listen to the album, RIB just works. I think RIB would have ruined the vibe that disc 2 has, and I think it works well on the main album where it is. They Dream Theatered the song up enough that I really like it as if it was LTE's own tune. Thankfully LTE4 presumably won't have any cover songs.
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Quite an adventure for sure. Disc one is exactly what I would expect from LTE and I LOVE it! Dynamic, crisp and exciting. Disc 2, or the "Bonus" disc is nothing short of spectacular though. For myself the bonus disc tracks are just phenomenal and provide the hooks for me. LOVE at the end of "Blink of an eye" where they say... MP- "Our first jam in a dozen years..." JP (I think) - "Yeah!... that's fuckin awesome!.."
Also is it just me or is there a Pain of Salvation nod in View from the Mountaintop around the 2:15 mark. Sounds a lot like Dryad of the woods 1:27
**Edit.... on a side note, as much as I enjoyed Rhapsody in Blue during the LTE2 tour, I think it's probably my least favorite track on the album. Not sure if that's because I know the song already or that the other tracks are just so damn good!
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I must say that I don't have the slightest bit of interest in the new LTE. I just cannot get excited about it.
Same. I also still haven't heard John Petrucci's solo album.
Quoting myself here, because despite this comment, I actually bought the album after being quite impressed with the third single.
I actually enjoyed the record! :) To me the standout track was definitely Rhapsody in Blue. What a cool adaptation. Having never heard whatever version they played of this live, this was a nice surprise. I also enjoyed the second track, which apparently was the second single ('Beating the Odds'), more than the first single, which left me quite underwhelmed (and which was my reason for writing the comment above). All in all, I liked the entire album and will listen to it again.
The bonus disc though... wow, what a boring snoozefest. Absolutely uninspiring and uninteresting. The last track was probably the 'best', but that one got ruined by unnecessary bullshit at around the halfway point too. I see that a lot of you here think otherwise, so I'll stop there :lol but it's unlikely I'll listen to that one again.
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The bonus disc though... wow, what a boring snoozefest. Absolutely uninspiring and uninteresting.
Finally someone that agrees with me :lol
I think jams are cool if you're watching live in real time, but listening to a bonus disc of jams only? Definitely not.
The composed tracks are amazimg, tho :metal
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The bonus disc though... wow, what a boring snoozefest. Absolutely uninspiring and uninteresting.
Finally someone that agrees with me :lol
I think jams are cool if you're watching live in real time, but listening to a bonus disc of jams only? Definitely not.
The composed tracks are amazimg, tho :metal
Agreed. The composed tracks are nice to listen to. It's exciting to hear new music but I won't go as far as some that are in awe of them. It was cool to hear MP/JP/JR play together again and these are neat songs.....but, well....out of respect to those who are really digging it I'll leave it at that.
But man, the 'jams' are pretty hard to take. I love those guys to death as musicians but it's clear that not everything 'needs' to be released, there's a reason to develop ideas and flesh them out. MP's on auto pilot and sounds completely uninspired and JP/JR just noodling back and forth with no direction or purpose does nothing for me at all no matter how many notes they hit and/or how fast. I'm assuming Levin was in the room as well because you hear some bass every now and then.
I'm glad they were able to catch up and release something but for me...this was more like a nice line drive double in the gap and they were left stranded on second......and far from being a home run. There are select tracks that are enjoyable to listen to but all in all I'm not sure how often I'll revisit it or if any of those tracks will ever be on the level of 'When the Water Breaks', 'Universal Mind', 'Paradigm Shift', 'Acid Rain', 'Biaxident' or 'Another Dimension'. I don't feel the 'magic' in this latest release like I do with the originals. I won't used 'forced' to describe what I feel but it's certainly a different feel from the others.
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The bonus disc though... wow, what a boring snoozefest. Absolutely uninspiring and uninteresting.
Finally someone that agrees with me :lol
I think jams are cool if you're watching live in real time, but listening to a bonus disc of jams only? Definitely not.
The composed tracks are amazimg, tho :metal
Agreed. The composed tracks are nice to listen to. It's exciting to hear new music but I won't go as far as some that are in awe of them. It was cool to hear MP/JP/JR play together again and these are neat songs.....but, well....out of respect to those who are really digging it I'll leave it at that.
But man, the 'jams' are pretty hard to take. I love those guys to death as musicians but it's clear that not everything 'needs' to be released, there's a reason to develop ideas and flesh them out. MP's on auto pilot and sounds completely uninspired and JP/JR just noodling back and forth with no direction or purpose does nothing for me at all no matter how many notes they hit and/or how fast. I'm assuming Levin was in the room as well because you hear some bass every now and then.
I'm glad they were able to catch up and release something but for me...this was more like a nice line drive double in the gap and they were left stranded on second......and far from being a home run. There are select tracks that are enjoyable to listen to but all in all I'm not sure how often I'll revisit it or if any of those tracks will ever be on the level of 'When the Water Breaks', 'Universal Mind', 'Paradigm Shift', 'Acid Rain', 'Biaxident' or 'Another Dimension'. I don't feel the 'magic' in this latest release like I do with the originals. I won't used 'forced' to describe what I feel but it's certainly a different feel from the others.
did you feel the same way about the jams on the first two records? That stuff was never my favourite either.
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The bonus disc though... wow, what a boring snoozefest. Absolutely uninspiring and uninteresting.
Finally someone that agrees with me :lol
I think jams are cool if you're watching live in real time, but listening to a bonus disc of jams only? Definitely not.
The composed tracks are amazimg, tho :metal
Agreed. The composed tracks are nice to listen to. It's exciting to hear new music but I won't go as far as some that are in awe of them. It was cool to hear MP/JP/JR play together again and these are neat songs.....but, well....out of respect to those who are really digging it I'll leave it at that.
But man, the 'jams' are pretty hard to take. I love those guys to death as musicians but it's clear that not everything 'needs' to be released, there's a reason to develop ideas and flesh them out. MP's on auto pilot and sounds completely uninspired and JP/JR just noodling back and forth with no direction or purpose does nothing for me at all no matter how many notes they hit and/or how fast. I'm assuming Levin was in the room as well because you hear some bass every now and then.
I'm glad they were able to catch up and release something but for me...this was more like a nice line drive double in the gap and they were left stranded on second......and far from being a home run. There are select tracks that are enjoyable to listen to but all in all I'm not sure how often I'll revisit it or if any of those tracks will ever be on the level of 'When the Water Breaks', 'Universal Mind', 'Paradigm Shift', 'Acid Rain', 'Biaxident' or 'Another Dimension'. I don't feel the 'magic' in this latest release like I do with the originals. I won't used 'forced' to describe what I feel but it's certainly a different feel from the others.
did you feel the same way about the jams on the first two records? That stuff was never my favourite either.
I do feel the same about those as well. I can count on one hand the number of full listens they've received. I 'appreciate' their talent to be able to jam like that and do what they do but it does nothing for me. I see that some people enjoy it and that's great.....I personally like the composed songs that have been designed with a purpose.
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I think the tracks on the second disc have a good sense of emotion and structural groundedness that the main disc could have used a bit more of. They need a bit of restructuring and editing to feel like proper songs IMO, but they're still nice listens while they're on.
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I have a feeling that the bonus tracks may be a love it or hate it kind of thing. I enjoy them for what they are. But when I reach for this album I am most likely going to listen to the first disc more often than not.
Also, I don't know who else got the box set here but holy shit is it one of the best box set super-deluxe kind of things I've ever gotten from any band. Just an outstanding package with a lot of cool stuff including a BIG 2-sided poster with the band on one side and the album cover on the other side. The art book is great too. I haven't had a chance to go through it all yet.
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The bonus disc though... wow, what a boring snoozefest. Absolutely uninspiring and uninteresting.
Finally someone that agrees with me :lol
I think jams are cool if you're watching live in real time, but listening to a bonus disc of jams only? Definitely not.
The composed tracks are amazimg, tho :metal
I can see not liking jams in general, but for me that second disc contains their most interesting playing and expression. I like both discs a lot so far though.
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I think the tracks on the second disc have a good sense of emotion and structural groundedness that the main disc could have used a bit more of. They need a bit of restructuring and editing to feel like proper songs IMO, but they're still nice listens while they're on.
Yep. You could tell they were mining a certain vibe on those jams. Definitely could have refined some of those parts to have more complete songs, but they are still really cool as is.
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I think the whole point of improvisational jams is to NOT refine them in any way, tho
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I think the whole point of improvisational jams is to NOT refine them in any way, tho
Well, a lot of bands will start out by jamming and then refine the best bits and turn them into songs. Not saying they should have done that, but it might have been interesting to hear what they would become if they did.
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The bonus disc though... wow, what a boring snoozefest. Absolutely uninspiring and uninteresting.
Finally someone that agrees with me :lol
I think jams are cool if you're watching live in real time, but listening to a bonus disc of jams only? Definitely not.
The composed tracks are amazimg, tho :metal
I can see not liking jams in general, but for me that second disc contains their most interesting playing and expression. I like both discs a lot so far though.
I'm a big fan of improvised music, but to me this wasn't interesting to listen to at all. They all sound like they're on auto-pilot and especially John Petrucci's random senseless noodling turned me off big-time. And I truly think that's a disappointing thing to say, because he is/was/used to be one of my favourite guitarists. Harmonically there's not a lot happening either, so the 'jams' don't really go anywhere and melodically there's not a lot to take away from it if all you're doing is play 15 notes per second. It gets boring after a while, impressive as it is to be able to play this sort of technically demanding music. Granted, I have only heard the bonus disc once (this afternoon), but I kind-of zoned out listening to it. It just wasn't holding my attention at all and slowly turned into random background noise.
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The bonus disc though... wow, what a boring snoozefest. Absolutely uninspiring and uninteresting.
Finally someone that agrees with me :lol
I think jams are cool if you're watching live in real time, but listening to a bonus disc of jams only? Definitely not.
The composed tracks are amazimg, tho :metal
I can see not liking jams in general, but for me that second disc contains their most interesting playing and expression. I like both discs a lot so far though.
I'm a big fan of improvised music, but to me this wasn't interesting to listen to at all. They all sound like they're on auto-pilot and especially John Petrucci's random senseless noodling turned me off big-time. And I truly think that's a disappointing thing to say, because he is/was/used to be one of my favourite guitarists. Harmonically there's not a lot happening either, so the 'jams' don't really go anywhere and melodically there's not a lot to take away from it if all you're doing is play 15 notes per second. It gets boring after a while, impressive as it is to be able to play this sort of technically demanding music. Granted, I have only heard the bonus disc once (this afternoon), but I kind-of zoned out listening to it. It just wasn't holding my attention at all and slowly turned into random background noise.
Yeah, that’s not the impression I get from it at all. There’s a lot of melody in the jams and while there is some repetitiveness I don’t feel like it’s senseless noodling. Overall it’s a nice contrast to the sort of full blast nature of the main disc.
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Blink of an Eye is pretty awesome, but I kind of agree that the other jams from LTE3 are becoming a bit of a blur to me the more I listen.
Chewbacca and Liquid Dreams from 2 are still the bee's knees, though. :coolio :coolio
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Blink of an Eye is pretty awesome, but I kind of agree that the other jams from LTE3 are becoming a bit of a blur to me the more I listen.
Chewbacca and Liquid Dreams from 2 are still the bee's knees, though. :coolio :coolio
I was listening to these in the car this morning and had to restart Your Beard is Good when it was done because I enjoyed it so much. A lot of cool stuff in that one.
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I like improvised music a lot. I like things like the bonus disc, Spontaneous Combustion, or When the Keyboard Breaks, but they are not things I will listen to on any regular basis. LTE are not Phish by any stretch. They don't let the music play the band.
The main disc is surely the main attraction. I grade the new album based on the main disc.
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Anyone order through Amazon? I just got an "updated delivery notice" that says between May 15 and June 1. WTF?
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Anyone order through Amazon? I just got an "updated delivery notice" that says between May 15 and June 1. WTF?
For the 2 disc version, yes. Got it on release day.
Did you get that or the art book?
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I think the whole point of improvisational jams is to NOT refine them in any way, tho
Well, a lot of bands will start out by jamming and then refine the best bits and turn them into songs. Not saying they should have done that, but it might have been interesting to hear what they would become if they did.
It would be a cool way to develop songs for an entire album. Record themselves jamming like that for like 3 or 4 all day sessions then go through, lift out the best stuff and turn them into full-fledged songs :eek
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Have been listening to LTE3 in my car whenever I drive. Even though the group is primarily known for their crazy chops, and understandably so, I always find myself blown away by the beautiful and melodic sections of their work, such as in The Passage of Time. :hefdaddy
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Have been listening to LTE3 in my car whenever I drive. Even though the group is primarily known for their crazy chops, and understandably so, I always find myself blown away by the beautiful and melodic sections of their work, such as in The Passage of Time. :hefdaddy
I'm not surprised honestly, seeing as that is one of John's strengths as it were. (and btw, in some recent interview pertaining to LTE 3, he was adamant about mentioning that he is about both chops and melody (or beauty if you will)
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I think the whole point of improvisational jams is to NOT refine them in any way, tho
Well, a lot of bands will start out by jamming and then refine the best bits and turn them into songs. Not saying they should have done that, but it might have been interesting to hear what they would become if they did.
It would be a cool way to develop songs for an entire album. Record themselves jamming like that for like 3 or 4 all day sessions then go through, lift out the best stuff and turn them into full-fledged songs :eek
I might be off, but I was under the impression that this was the way DT generally worked, especially during the MP-era. And I believe Rush kinda did the same thing for a at least part of their career, too.
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Have been listening to LTE3 in my car whenever I drive. Even though the group is primarily known for their crazy chops, and understandably so, I always find myself blown away by the beautiful and melodic sections of their work, such as in The Passage of Time. :hefdaddy
Yeah, The Passage of Time is the standout song to me so far. The general mood of the song is great, John's lead tone is perfect for the song, and his lead playing is perfect for my tastes. It's hard to describe, he stays just this side of his most muscular shred style, but not so much that it get to his soaring Phuck of the Mountain solos. I dig it.
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This is now officially my favorite of the three LTE records. Which is quite symmetrical as my favorites stand like this:
LTE 3
LTE 2
LTE 1
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for me it's 2-1-3
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for me it's 2-1-3
That's my ranking as well.
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Mine is 2-3-1. IMO LTE3 is more focused and interesting than the first album, but LTE2 is a masterpiece.
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I love LTE2 but I'm extremely, extremely worn out on it. I think it might be the most played album in my entire collection.
It's definitely a close call between 2 and 3 but for me this new one reminds me of exactly how I felt about 2 when it first came out, but I find the diversity of sounds and a bit more experimental feel gives it the edge, at least for now.
The first album is good too, but the improv jam "3 minute warning" is something I never listen to. But the improv jams on this one I find quite a bit more compelling. It may be that instead of just recording on really long session they recorded multiple sessions and kept only the very best sections of those sessions to make into songs for the second CD. I think that was the approach they should have used on the first disc, but live and learn, right?
I'm so impressed that after all those years apart they could come back and make a record this good that sounds so much like the first two -in that it sounds like the same band, not the same songs, obviously- that's quite an accomplishment in and of itself. So it sounds like LTE but like a supercharged version of LTE. And I think Jordan Rudess chose a few different patches for this record that are very interesting.
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Anyone order through Amazon? I just got an "updated delivery notice" that says between May 15 and June 1. WTF?
For the 2 disc version, yes. Got it on release day.
Did you get that or the art book?
Art book.
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I think the whole point of improvisational jams is to NOT refine them in any way, tho
Well, a lot of bands will start out by jamming and then refine the best bits and turn them into songs. Not saying they should have done that, but it might have been interesting to hear what they would become if they did.
It would be a cool way to develop songs for an entire album. Record themselves jamming like that for like 3 or 4 all day sessions then go through, lift out the best stuff and turn them into full-fledged songs :eek
I might be off, but I was under the impression that this was the way DT generally worked, especially during the MP-era. And I believe Rush kinda did the same thing for a at least part of their career, too.
Marillion, too, at least when they worked with Dave Meegan (which was their high-water mark, at least with Hogarth, IMO).
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I just received the artbook three disc package. Wow, I was expecting a standard cd size package but got a large coffee table artbook with the 2cd's and bluray packaged in it. This has got to be the coolest packaging I've ever seen!
I watched the bluray on a large 75" screen and the graphics are beautifully done to the music, and very trippy. The music is quite mind blowing and fresh. These guys are playing at insane levels and this might end up being my favorite LTE release. Rhapsody in Blue is a nice addition and very well executed! Somebody spent a lot of time making the bluray video stuff, and it adds to the whole experience. Amazing album! 💯👏
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Solid Resolution Theory is probably my favorite from the entire album at this point. What a fantastic song. This type of music isn’t really my thing anymore but I can’t deny that LTE3 is a really enjoyable album.
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Funny seeing so many ranking LTE 2 over LTE 1. This definitely not my recollection of the fan reaction when LTE 2 first came out. There was lots of “it’s not as good as the first one” comments. Seems like that has changed over time.
I don’t think this is as good as either of the first two albums but maybe that will change over time too!
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Solid Resolution Theory is probably my favorite from the entire album at this point. What a fantastic song. This type of music isn’t really my thing anymore but I can’t deny that LTE3 is a really enjoyable album.
I don't know if I can go so far as to say that it is not my favorite type of music anymore, but while I think the new one is really, really good, it's not really getting a lot of play with me. I am just not in the mood these for these days for this kind of hyperactive, tons of notes coming at you non-stop music. Probably just a phase, as I go in spurts with this kind of stuff.
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Solid Resolution Theory is probably my favorite from the entire album at this point. What a fantastic song. This type of music isn’t really my thing anymore but I can’t deny that LTE3 is a really enjoyable album.
I don't know if I can go so far as to say that it is not my favorite type of music anymore, but while I think the new one is really, really good, it's not really getting a lot of play with me. I am just not in the mood these for these days for this kind of hyperactive, tons of notes coming at you non-stop music. Probably just a phase, as I go in spurts with this kind of stuff.
That’s probably why the second disc is so much more appealing to me...it’s less of a shredfest and more textural playing. My lack of interest may be a phase too. I’m more likely to go for old Dave Matthews Band or the newest Cannibal Corpse rather than some kind of prog metal.
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Is it just me or are Rudess's solos particularly grating on this record? I usually don't mind them in DT but here they just don't fit with the instrumentation for me.
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Solid Resolution Theory is probably my favorite from the entire album at this point. What a fantastic song. This type of music isn’t really my thing anymore but I can’t deny that LTE3 is a really enjoyable album.
I don't know if I can go so far as to say that it is not my favorite type of music anymore, but while I think the new one is really, really good, it's not really getting a lot of play with me. I am just not in the mood these for these days for this kind of hyperactive, tons of notes coming at you non-stop music. Probably just a phase, as I go in spurts with this kind of stuff.
That’s probably why the second disc is so much more appealing to me...it’s less of a shredfest and more textural playing.
I like the second disc and they are very good at improvising, but it's not near as melodic or interesting as the first disc. The improv jams don't change keys near as much. I can relate to that though, I've been in jam bands before and everybody seems to stick to the E and A comfort zone. It gets monotonous after a while.
At least with composed music, a lot more thought goes into it and the melodies are much stronger.
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Solid Resolution Theory is probably my favorite from the entire album at this point. What a fantastic song. This type of music isn’t really my thing anymore but I can’t deny that LTE3 is a really enjoyable album.
I don't know if I can go so far as to say that it is not my favorite type of music anymore, but while I think the new one is really, really good, it's not really getting a lot of play with me. I am just not in the mood these for these days for this kind of hyperactive, tons of notes coming at you non-stop music. Probably just a phase, as I go in spurts with this kind of stuff.
That’s probably why the second disc is so much more appealing to me...it’s less of a shredfest and more textural playing.
I like the second disc and they are very good at improvising, but it's not near as melodic or interesting as the first disc. The improv jams don't change keys near as much. I can relate to that though, I've been in jam bands before and everybody seems to stick to the E and A comfort zone. It gets monotonous after a while.
At least with composed music, a lot more thought goes into it and the melodies are much stronger.
I’d definitely say the jams are more melodic than a lot of what’s on the first disc, but I get your point about them staying in one key.
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Is it just me or are Rudess's solos particularly grating on this record? I usually don't mind them in DT but here they just don't fit with the instrumentation for me.
Yes, it's just you :lol
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I'm really, really enjoying this record. I've never really listened to the old LTE stuff and wasn't thinking much about them coming out with a new record, but decided to listen on Spotify after release anyway. Ended up buying the album. Key To The Imagination is easily my favorite, I probably like it more than any DT song since Bridges In The Sky. The record also sounds great, especially in the bass department. It's what I dislike the most about modern metal especially, the bass is usually buried and never sounds particularly good soundwise anyway. Here the bass is loud and clear just the way I like it. Tony Levin's tone is miles above John Myung. I like John, but his sound hasn't been to my liking in a long time.
Edit: The fact that Tony is 74 and able to perform at this level is incredibly cool. A lot of people don't age these days.
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Is it just me or are Rudess's solos particularly grating on this record? I usually don't mind them in DT but here they just don't fit with the instrumentation for me.
Yes, it's just you :lol
Grating is an exaggeration, but I did notice that with only one or two exceptions, his lead work seems unrelated to the underlying music. More so than usual... I think what he does is cool, but it sounds like they gave him some BPM, a general key to work in, the length of the solo, and empty headphones.
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To me, it's all about expectations. I stopped expecting memorable, melodic solos from Rudess a long time ago, so I am no longer disappointed by his solos, and in fact on the rare occasions where he busts out (what I consider) a really good or great solo, it's a pleasant surprise. I think he is at his best in songs where a lot of restraint is required, which is probably why I like Liquid Dreams from LTE2 and most of his work on The Astonishing a lot, but when the solo comes in a hyperactive song, I just brace myself for the moments where he sounds hell bent on bending tons of notes into submission.
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So I've listened to this enough to form some opinions on it. Off the bat, I like it a lot. Aside from that:
Tony Levin seems to have gotten over the intimidation. Unlike the first two, where he was pretty much a non-factor, he's my favorite part of this.
The second disk is far better than the first. Disk 1 was clearly an effort to make an LTE album. It honestly seemed formulaic to me. Beginning with Hypersonic, which is the "alright, let's do the really fast, heavy opener now" song. Some of the songs are very good, and Key to the IMagination is fantastic, but overall it felt inorganic to me. The jams were the exact opposite, though. That's just four super-talented guys having fun together. And doing away with the awkward beginnings and [mostly] endings was great.
It took a while to really sink in that it was JP/MP/JR jamming together again for the first time since the unpleasantness. During the jams on D2 is where it really comes off well. They've still got a rock-solid connection between them, and it's great to hear it again. I see people complaining that there weren't a bunch of key changes. To me that's part of the appeal. It's not monotonous when you get to hear these talented bastards finding new ways to play off of each other. I could listen to that sort of thing for hours.
Rhapsody in Blue? Honestly? We've all heard and/or seen it before, and truth be told, I didn't think it was all that good the first time. And after hearing the ideas they were cranking out on D2, it was definitely a waste of 13 minutes. If they really wanted to revisit the whole "prog band does Gershwin" concept, they should have adapted An American in Paris. That would have been kick ass and an excellent followup on what they'd already done. I don't know if it would have been as good as something developed from the D2 jams, but it would have been far better than just rehashing something they'd already done.
I didn't have any problem with JR's leads, but from D1 none of them really jumped out at me much, either. There were times during the jams on D2 that did, though. Moreover, I was probably more impressed with some of his tone choices. There were times on both disks that he absolutely nailed it. I'm really more about atmosphere than flash, and I think his contribution here worked for my tastes.
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What a gorgeous artbook. The liner notes are comprehensive and the photos and art are pretty nice! Gonna pop the BD in later tonight!
-Marc.
WOW!!! :metal :metal :metal Waiting for mine :coolio
So, how much you liked the second CD? :corn
"A Night At The Improv" is pretty good, definitely some interesting jams there, but if you're not into improvised jamming, there probably isn't much here for ya. I like it because it shows just how in-tune these four are in playing together live, and they go in some interesting places, but there are some great chops and solos by John and Jordan, as you'd expect. I've only spun it once all the way through, but at first glance, it's pretty good, about as good as any of the other jams they've released, though I still have a fondness for "Three Minute Warning".
-Marc.
At this point, I might enjoy the second disc more overall.
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Just had my first listen and it's my favorite LTE album. I think it loses a little steam around Rhapsody in Blue but overall solid album.
It's an interesting version, but I prefer their live version a lot more.
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My only critique is the bass (chapman stick) is too low in the mix sometimes.
Noticed that too. Tony Levin should never be low in a mix.
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I actually enjoy Acid Rain and Paradigm Shift a lot. Yes they are kind of show off pieces but they work as face-melting openers and still feel like proper composed tracks. Hypersonic starts off in that vein but at about the 2:45 mark it just goes totally off the rails and the remaining 6 min or whatever is just pointless wankery imo.
Yeah, I think Hypersonic needed a stronger hook/theme once the introductory wanking stops. I can more or less recall how it starts and ends but the middle is all just a bit mushy without much I can remember.
Only song that didn't quite feel right to me. Love the playing but I'm just not feeling the spark.
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So I've listened to this enough to form some opinions on it. Off the bat, I like it a lot. Aside from that:
Tony Levin seems to have gotten over the intimidation. Unlike the first two, where he was pretty much a non-factor, he's my favorite part of this.
The second disk is far better than the first. Disk 1 was clearly an effort to make an LTE album. It honestly seemed formulaic to me. Beginning with Hypersonic, which is the "alright, let's do the really fast, heavy opener now" song. Some of the songs are very good, and Key to the IMagination is fantastic, but overall it felt inorganic to me. The jams were the exact opposite, though. That's just four super-talented guys having fun together. And doing away with the awkward beginnings and [mostly] endings was great.
It took a while to really sink in that it was JP/MP/JR jamming together again for the first time since the unpleasantness. During the jams on D2 is where it really comes off well. They've still got a rock-solid connection between them, and it's great to hear it again. I see people complaining that there weren't a bunch of key changes. To me that's part of the appeal. It's not monotonous when you get to hear these talented bastards finding new ways to play off of each other. I could listen to that sort of thing for hours.
Rhapsody in Blue? Honestly? We've all heard and/or seen it before, and truth be told, I didn't think it was all that good the first time. And after hearing the ideas they were cranking out on D2, it was definitely a waste of 13 minutes. If they really wanted to revisit the whole "prog band does Gershwin" concept, they should have adapted An American in Paris. That would have been kick ass and an excellent followup on what they'd already done. I don't know if it would have been as good as something developed from the D2 jams, but it would have been far better than just rehashing something they'd already done.
I didn't have any problem with JR's leads, but from D1 none of them really jumped out at me much, either. There were times during the jams on D2 that did, though. Moreover, I was probably more impressed with some of his tone choices. There were times on both disks that he absolutely nailed it. I'm really more about atmosphere than flash, and I think his contribution here worked for my tastes.
Mostly agree with this except I prefer the live version of Rhapsody over the studio arrangement although the studio version has some cool bits.
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So I've listened to this enough to form some opinions on it. Off the bat, I like it a lot. Aside from that:
Tony Levin seems to have gotten over the intimidation. Unlike the first two, where he was pretty much a non-factor, he's my favorite part of this.
The second disk is far better than the first. Disk 1 was clearly an effort to make an LTE album. It honestly seemed formulaic to me. Beginning with Hypersonic, which is the "alright, let's do the really fast, heavy opener now" song. Some of the songs are very good, and Key to the IMagination is fantastic, but overall it felt inorganic to me. The jams were the exact opposite, though. That's just four super-talented guys having fun together. And doing away with the awkward beginnings and [mostly] endings was great.
It took a while to really sink in that it was JP/MP/JR jamming together again for the first time since the unpleasantness. During the jams on D2 is where it really comes off well. They've still got a rock-solid connection between them, and it's great to hear it again. I see people complaining that there weren't a bunch of key changes. To me that's part of the appeal. It's not monotonous when you get to hear these talented bastards finding new ways to play off of each other. I could listen to that sort of thing for hours.
Rhapsody in Blue? Honestly? We've all heard and/or seen it before, and truth be told, I didn't think it was all that good the first time. And after hearing the ideas they were cranking out on D2, it was definitely a waste of 13 minutes. If they really wanted to revisit the whole "prog band does Gershwin" concept, they should have adapted An American in Paris. That would have been kick ass and an excellent followup on what they'd already done. I don't know if it would have been as good as something developed from the D2 jams, but it would have been far better than just rehashing something they'd already done.
I didn't have any problem with JR's leads, but from D1 none of them really jumped out at me much, either. There were times during the jams on D2 that did, though. Moreover, I was probably more impressed with some of his tone choices. There were times on both disks that he absolutely nailed it. I'm really more about atmosphere than flash, and I think his contribution here worked for my tastes.
Hmmm, I can't say I agree with this at all.
First off, why would he have been intimidated back in '98 and '99? If anything, it would have been the other way around since his overall pedigree at the time was far above the level of the other three. Not that Petrucci, Portnoy and Rudess weren't highly thought-of instrumentalists, but none of them had the resume at the time that Levin possessed.
Secondly, Levin is a big reason why I love the first two albums so much, so saying he was a non-factor on them seems a bit curious to me. :)
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I actually enjoy Acid Rain and Paradigm Shift a lot. Yes they are kind of show off pieces but they work as face-melting openers and still feel like proper composed tracks. Hypersonic starts off in that vein but at about the 2:45 mark it just goes totally off the rails and the remaining 6 min or whatever is just pointless wankery imo.
Yeah, I think Hypersonic needed a stronger hook/theme once the introductory wanking stops. I can more or less recall how it starts and ends but the middle is all just a bit mushy without much I can remember.
Only song that didn't quite feel right to me. Love the playing but I'm just not feeling the spark.
It made for a killer trailer vid
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Just had my first listen and it's my favorite LTE album. I think it loses a little steam around Rhapsody in Blue but overall solid album.
It's an interesting version, but I prefer their live version a lot more.
Agreed but they had to get this down, it’s a statement instrumental really
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So I've listened to this enough to form some opinions on it. Off the bat, I like it a lot. Aside from that:
Tony Levin seems to have gotten over the intimidation. Unlike the first two, where he was pretty much a non-factor, he's my favorite part of this.
The second disk is far better than the first. Disk 1 was clearly an effort to make an LTE album. It honestly seemed formulaic to me. Beginning with Hypersonic, which is the "alright, let's do the really fast, heavy opener now" song. Some of the songs are very good, and Key to the IMagination is fantastic, but overall it felt inorganic to me. The jams were the exact opposite, though. That's just four super-talented guys having fun together. And doing away with the awkward beginnings and [mostly] endings was great.
It took a while to really sink in that it was JP/MP/JR jamming together again for the first time since the unpleasantness. During the jams on D2 is where it really comes off well. They've still got a rock-solid connection between them, and it's great to hear it again. I see people complaining that there weren't a bunch of key changes. To me that's part of the appeal. It's not monotonous when you get to hear these talented bastards finding new ways to play off of each other. I could listen to that sort of thing for hours.
Rhapsody in Blue? Honestly? We've all heard and/or seen it before, and truth be told, I didn't think it was all that good the first time. And after hearing the ideas they were cranking out on D2, it was definitely a waste of 13 minutes. If they really wanted to revisit the whole "prog band does Gershwin" concept, they should have adapted An American in Paris. That would have been kick ass and an excellent followup on what they'd already done. I don't know if it would have been as good as something developed from the D2 jams, but it would have been far better than just rehashing something they'd already done.
I didn't have any problem with JR's leads, but from D1 none of them really jumped out at me much, either. There were times during the jams on D2 that did, though. Moreover, I was probably more impressed with some of his tone choices. There were times on both disks that he absolutely nailed it. I'm really more about atmosphere than flash, and I think his contribution here worked for my tastes.
Mostly agree with this except I prefer the live version of Rhapsody over the studio arrangement although the studio version has some cool bits.
I don't think I've actually listened to the new version. I'm not blown away by the original. The live version I saw was a novelty. Don't have much reason to listen to them play it again.
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So I've listened to this enough to form some opinions on it. Off the bat, I like it a lot. Aside from that:
Tony Levin seems to have gotten over the intimidation. Unlike the first two, where he was pretty much a non-factor, he's my favorite part of this.
The second disk is far better than the first. Disk 1 was clearly an effort to make an LTE album. It honestly seemed formulaic to me. Beginning with Hypersonic, which is the "alright, let's do the really fast, heavy opener now" song. Some of the songs are very good, and Key to the IMagination is fantastic, but overall it felt inorganic to me. The jams were the exact opposite, though. That's just four super-talented guys having fun together. And doing away with the awkward beginnings and [mostly] endings was great.
It took a while to really sink in that it was JP/MP/JR jamming together again for the first time since the unpleasantness. During the jams on D2 is where it really comes off well. They've still got a rock-solid connection between them, and it's great to hear it again. I see people complaining that there weren't a bunch of key changes. To me that's part of the appeal. It's not monotonous when you get to hear these talented bastards finding new ways to play off of each other. I could listen to that sort of thing for hours.
Rhapsody in Blue? Honestly? We've all heard and/or seen it before, and truth be told, I didn't think it was all that good the first time. And after hearing the ideas they were cranking out on D2, it was definitely a waste of 13 minutes. If they really wanted to revisit the whole "prog band does Gershwin" concept, they should have adapted An American in Paris. That would have been kick ass and an excellent followup on what they'd already done. I don't know if it would have been as good as something developed from the D2 jams, but it would have been far better than just rehashing something they'd already done.
I didn't have any problem with JR's leads, but from D1 none of them really jumped out at me much, either. There were times during the jams on D2 that did, though. Moreover, I was probably more impressed with some of his tone choices. There were times on both disks that he absolutely nailed it. I'm really more about atmosphere than flash, and I think his contribution here worked for my tastes.
Hmmm, I can't say I agree with this at all.
First off, why would he have been intimidated back in '98 and '99? If anything, it would have been the other way around since his overall pedigree at the time was far above the level of the other three. Not that Petrucci, Portnoy and Rudess weren't highly thought-of instrumentalists, but none of them had the resume at the time that Levin possessed.
Secondly, Levin is a big reason why I love the first two albums so much, so saying he was a non-factor on them seems a bit curious to me. :)
Tony Levin came right out and said they intimidated the fuck out of him. :lol There's an interview somewhere, and he was pretty up front that the connection JP/JR/MP share kind of left him the odd man out.
Interestingly, though, I'm not sure he's entirely over it after all. I was listening to Blink of an Eye last night, and I realized he was kind of hesitant. There were times I thought they were wanting to move along and he was still holding tight with the [wonderful] base line he'd been keeping throughout the middle of the song. Ironically, I think his hesitancy was a plus. They stuck with a very nice bit of music longer than they may otherwise have been inclined. My takeaway was that he's just not as quick as they are in improvisation, understandably, but it's probably for the better when it comes to working out coherent music. He's still my favorite part of this.
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I was introduced to "Rhapsody in Blue" via Eumir Deodato's version which got a lot of airplay back in the 70's. Deodato is/was a jazz instrumentalist, and his "cover" turned the piece upside down, taking a theme which only appears briefly about 3/4 of the way through and presenting it as the main theme. As a fledgling pianist and keyboardist myself, I found that very interesting. The idea of taking music and completely rearranging and reinterpreting it was new to me. I mean, sure, you can do a slow version of a fast song, or a fast version of a slow song, but crossing genres recasting instrumentation was still years down the road for me.
My interest in LTE's version of "Rhapsody in Blue" is not because it's such an amazing piece of music (although it's pretty cool), but because I'm always interested in how others will interpret and reinterpret it. In its original form, "Rhapsody in Blue" is a piano concerto, complete with orchestral continuo, in a jazz/blues setting. Now... what would it sound like adapted and performed by a metal/fusion quartet? I think the question itself is amazing. How could I not want to hear the results?
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Tony Levin came right out and said they intimidated the fuck out of him. :lol There's an interview somewhere, and he was pretty up front that the connection JP/JR/MP share kind of left him the odd man out.
Interestingly, though, I'm not sure he's entirely over it after all. I was listening to Blink of an Eye last night, and I realized he was kind of hesitant. There were times I thought they were wanting to move along and he was still holding tight with the [wonderful] base line he'd been keeping throughout the middle of the song. Ironically, I think his hesitancy was a plus. They stuck with a very nice bit of music longer than they may otherwise have been inclined. My takeaway was that he's just not as quick as they are in improvisation, understandably, but it's probably for the better when it comes to working out coherent music. He's still my favorite part of this.
Ah, okay, I never saw that interview where Levin said that, but interesting to note! :tup :tup
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So I've listened to this enough to form some opinions on it. Off the bat, I like it a lot. Aside from that:
Tony Levin seems to have gotten over the intimidation. Unlike the first two, where he was pretty much a non-factor, he's my favorite part of this.
The second disk is far better than the first. Disk 1 was clearly an effort to make an LTE album. It honestly seemed formulaic to me. Beginning with Hypersonic, which is the "alright, let's do the really fast, heavy opener now" song. Some of the songs are very good, and Key to the IMagination is fantastic, but overall it felt inorganic to me. The jams were the exact opposite, though. That's just four super-talented guys having fun together. And doing away with the awkward beginnings and [mostly] endings was great.
It took a while to really sink in that it was JP/MP/JR jamming together again for the first time since the unpleasantness. During the jams on D2 is where it really comes off well. They've still got a rock-solid connection between them, and it's great to hear it again. I see people complaining that there weren't a bunch of key changes. To me that's part of the appeal. It's not monotonous when you get to hear these talented bastards finding new ways to play off of each other. I could listen to that sort of thing for hours.
Rhapsody in Blue? Honestly? We've all heard and/or seen it before, and truth be told, I didn't think it was all that good the first time. And after hearing the ideas they were cranking out on D2, it was definitely a waste of 13 minutes. If they really wanted to revisit the whole "prog band does Gershwin" concept, they should have adapted An American in Paris. That would have been kick ass and an excellent followup on what they'd already done. I don't know if it would have been as good as something developed from the D2 jams, but it would have been far better than just rehashing something they'd already done.
I didn't have any problem with JR's leads, but from D1 none of them really jumped out at me much, either. There were times during the jams on D2 that did, though. Moreover, I was probably more impressed with some of his tone choices. There were times on both disks that he absolutely nailed it. I'm really more about atmosphere than flash, and I think his contribution here worked for my tastes.
I'm a little kinder to RiB, but this is generally where I'm parked. D2>D1 and all of it is worth it to hear those three make music again.
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Fixed the thread title.
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Is it just me or are Rudess's solos particularly grating on this record? I usually don't mind them in DT but here they just don't fit with the instrumentation for me.
Feel the same. It is always hit and miss with Jordan. His choices at times are puzzling and others amazing. Always divisive opinions when it comes to Dream Theater etc. :laugh:
Liquid evolution is really the only piece on this album I enjoy throughly. Not my thing at all. Not a fan of the ever brightening tone of JP either TBH. Was expecting more from this album than it delivers, much more interesting stuff out there in the wake of the pandemic lockdown to enjoy for me personally, when it comes to the instrumental music.
Personally, I'd love to see a Myung, Mangini and Petrucci disc with a different producer at the helm.
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I was introduced to "Rhapsody in Blue" via Eumir Deodato's version which got a lot of airplay back in the 70's. Deodato is/was a jazz instrumentalist, and his "cover" turned the piece upside down, taking a theme which only appears briefly about 3/4 of the way through and presenting it as the main theme. As a fledgling pianist and keyboardist myself, I found that very interesting. The idea of taking music and completely rearranging and reinterpreting it was new to me. I mean, sure, you can do a slow version of a fast song, or a fast version of a slow song, but crossing genres recasting instrumentation was still years down the road for me.
My interest in LTE's version of "Rhapsody in Blue" is not because it's such an amazing piece of music (although it's pretty cool), but because I'm always interested in how others will interpret and reinterpret it. In its original form, "Rhapsody in Blue" is a piano concerto, complete with orchestral continuo, in a jazz/blues setting. Now... what would it sound like adapted and performed by a metal/fusion quartet? I think the question itself is amazing. How could I not want to hear the results?
No fan of Disney, but my gateway to Rhapsody was much repeated viewings of Fantasia and Fantasia 2000.
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The Fantasia movies were both great. I give a slight nod to the original, but Fantasia 2000 isn't bad at all. Walt's original concept was to do an entire series of them, setting classic pieces of music to animation, and thus introduce classic music to the masses in a somewhat "sneaky" way (my word, not his). I think that's great. A lot of us were "sneakily introduced" to classic music via cartoons, though for most of us it was Warner Bros' Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies.
I mean, how many of us cannot hear Wagner's "Ride of the Valkyries" without singing "♫ Kill da wabbit, kill da wabbit!" to ourselves?
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I too first heard RiB from Fantasia 2000. That sequence is great, as is The Firebird Suite and Pines Of Rome.
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The Fantasia movies were both great. I give a slight nod to the original, but Fantasia 2000 isn't bad at all. Walt's original concept was to do an entire series of them, setting classic pieces of music to animation, and thus introduce classic music to the masses in a somewhat "sneaky" way (my word, not his). I think that's great. A lot of us were "sneakily introduced" to classic music via cartoons, though for most of us it was Warner Bros' Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies.
I mean, how many of us cannot hear Wagner's "Ride of the Valkyries" without singing "♫ Kill da wabbit, kill da wabbit!" to ourselves?
That certainly hooked me.
Though whenever I hear "Ride of The Valkyries" now I'm always thinking Robert Duvall in Apocalypse Now.
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The Fantasia movies were both great. I give a slight nod to the original, but Fantasia 2000 isn't bad at all. Walt's original concept was to do an entire series of them, setting classic pieces of music to animation, and thus introduce classic music to the masses in a somewhat "sneaky" way (my word, not his). I think that's great. A lot of us were "sneakily introduced" to classic music via cartoons, though for most of us it was Warner Bros' Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies.
I mean, how many of us cannot hear Wagner's "Ride of the Valkyries" without singing "♫ Kill da wabbit, kill da wabbit!" to ourselves?
I second that. My parents purchased Fantasia on VHS for me as a kid, not knowing that it wasn't a regular cartoon. It sparked my interest in neo-classical elements in popular music, later prog metal, and later actual symphonies and chamber music.
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Can anyone with the BD handy tell me if there is some loud static/popping noise at around 31:16 into the album, not far into the beginning of "Rhapsody In Blue", in the STEREO mix of the album?
I double checked the 5.1 Mixes and they both sounded clean, but for SOME reason, in the stereo mix at that time stamp, there is some invasive loud popping static for about 8-10 seconds. It's It's only blemish I've heard on the BD's stereo mix so far as I'm giving it giving it better watch/listen tonight.
-Marc.
Hi Marc! I just received mine this week and unfortunately it has exactly the same problem. :tdwn
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Can anyone with the BD handy tell me if there is some loud static/popping noise at around 31:16 into the album, not far into the beginning of "Rhapsody In Blue", in the STEREO mix of the album?
I double checked the 5.1 Mixes and they both sounded clean, but for SOME reason, in the stereo mix at that time stamp, there is some invasive loud popping static for about 8-10 seconds. It's It's only blemish I've heard on the BD's stereo mix so far as I'm giving it giving it better watch/listen tonight.
-Marc.
Hi Marc! I just received mine this week and unfortunately it has exactly the same problem. :tdwn
I reported the issue to Burning Shed who didn't seem that bothered*. However, after some gentle persuasion, they eventually agreed to report it to the label. I've heard nothing since. That was about six weeks ago.
* This is typical of Burning Shed in my personal experience. Lots of people rate them highly but I can only speak as I've found.
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I bought it through Laser CD, reported to them the problem and they were a bit harsh in their response:
"No. Obviously its in the mix and according to you its a known issue.
We are not the label. You should contact the label in Germany. You can only get the blu ray separately from the label. Perhaps they can sell you one."
Niiiice..., right?
I'll try to contact IO, see what happens and tell you.
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Thanks for the responses! Yeah, stores aren't very respectful or responsible for faults in the albums or products unless they're given replacements by the label. My Transatlantic TAU boxset had a poorly cut poster and I tried to see if I could get a replacement from Laser CD but they told me to contact the label in a not-so-super-polite way. So I contacted Inside Out but they told me because I didn't buy it from them I couldn't get a replacement, so I just have to live with a poorly cut poster. Ah well.
It's been a on-going thing over this past year that some of these releases just have defects or issues with them, be it with the packaging, or the pressing of the discs, or something in the mix. It seems like there have been issues with many folks as every level of album production after the recording process. Maybe the pandemic is to blame? Perhaps there is less time for these things to get checked on by the label for they're finalized, just to try and get the product out in a timely manner, since we've seen delays from many bands with regards to new releases. I'd rather a release be delayed by a month or two just to make sure every little thing is checked on before it's released.
I haven't gone back to watch my LTE3 BD since that first night nearly two months ago because that one part with the static just kind of ruined the experience for me. At least it was just the BD and not the actual audio CDs with the issues.
-Marc.
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Something I've noticed lately with CDs is I sometimes have trouble ripping them onto my computer. It only happens with newer releases as far as I can tell, my computer just doesn't recognize the discs, and I have to eject and try again a few times, or just try again another day after restarting the computer. Older CDs, pressed during 80s, 90s, or 00s, whether used or new condition, rip just fine. Not sure if it's my computer. I didn't have any problem ripping LTE3, though.
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Not sure how I would tweak the track listing, but a recent listen of this tells me that Blink of an Eye is not only by far the best of the bonus disc jams, but one of the top tunes from this whole thing. Put that on the regular disc in place of Hypersonic (which is wank fest and lacking in any memorable melodies) and the proper album becomes a lot better, IMO. Liquid Evolution still should have been like three time as long as it is. Of all of the songs on this that feel a bit too long, crazy how that one was cut so short.
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After spending much time away from LTE3, I gave it a relisten today, and it holds up, even RIB. I thought I'd tire of hearing it, but it's placed so well on the main album, and it just rocks. The overall flow of the album is very nice, a very fitting follow up to the first 2 albums. It almost feels like each song is better than the last, while the opener is fast, there's no depth to the song, but it still rocks. All the main songs kick ass, anyway, particularly the last track KTTI, up there with When The Water Breaks as one of the band's best tunes, and the shorter 'in between tracks' are cool and lovely as well, especially Shades of Hope, which I had initially dismissed as a poor man's State of Grace, but no, this tune is gorgeous.
On to the bonus disc!
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LA Show from the reunion tour was uploaded earlier today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmJ4iYYVgus
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Is that a current show? When is it from?
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Is that a current show? When is it from?
From about 13 years ago, during the 10th Anniversary Tour in 2008.
-Marc.
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Cool, thanks.
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LA Show from the reunion tour was uploaded earlier today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmJ4iYYVgus
Going all the way back to 1983, that's the best live show I've ever seen. The Jordan Rudess thing was so kick ass I'm flying to see him play in San Diego thirteen years later.
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LA Show from the reunion tour was uploaded earlier today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmJ4iYYVgus
Going all the way back to 1983, that's the best live show I've ever seen. The Jordan Rudess thing was so kick ass I'm flying to see him play in San Diego thirteen years later.
Do you mean the current solo tour that Jordan is doing? I'm pondering making the four hour drive to catch him in Portland Oregon.
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To this day, there is no drummer I'd rather watch in a live setting, than Mr. Mike Portnoy.
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LA Show from the reunion tour was uploaded earlier today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmJ4iYYVgus
Going all the way back to 1983, that's the best live show I've ever seen. The Jordan Rudess thing was so kick ass I'm flying to see him play in San Diego thirteen years later.
Do you mean the current solo tour that Jordan is doing? I'm pondering making the four hour drive to catch him in Portland Oregon.
The best show part was the LTE in LA gig from that video. The show it inspired me to catch is the Rudess solo thing in September. Seems kind of simple to me. The odds of it being great are far better than the odds of it being awful.
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Ok, thanks Barto. You probably just talked me into going to the Portland show. :coolio
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To this day, there is no drummer I'd rather watch in a live setting, than Mr. Mike Portnoy.
That's me.
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LA Show from the reunion tour was uploaded earlier today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmJ4iYYVgus
Going all the way back to 1983, that's the best live show I've ever seen. The Jordan Rudess thing was so kick ass I'm flying to see him play in San Diego thirteen years later.
Do you mean the current solo tour that Jordan is doing? I'm pondering making the four hour drive to catch him in Portland Oregon.
I thought about going to this show too, but I really dislike General Admission. I'm getting too old to stand in line for hours hoping to get a good seat.
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LA Show from the reunion tour was uploaded earlier today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmJ4iYYVgus
Going all the way back to 1983, that's the best live show I've ever seen. The Jordan Rudess thing was so kick ass I'm flying to see him play in San Diego thirteen years later.
Do you mean the current solo tour that Jordan is doing? I'm pondering making the four hour drive to catch him in Portland Oregon.
I thought about going to this show too, but I really dislike General Admission. I'm getting too old to stand in line for hours hoping to get a good seat.
With the small venues he's playing I'm not sure how that could be an issue. The SD show only holds 150. The other two So-Cal venues seem to be jazz clubs.
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Do you think that Rudess fans would be that hard core about waiting in line for hours at the venue to make sure they get in first? I would think most of them would be hanging out at a nearby diner or pub up until 30 minutes before the show.
:lol
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LA Show from the reunion tour was uploaded earlier today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmJ4iYYVgus
Going all the way back to 1983, that's the best live show I've ever seen. The Jordan Rudess thing was so kick ass I'm flying to see him play in San Diego thirteen years later.
Do you mean the current solo tour that Jordan is doing? I'm pondering making the four hour drive to catch him in Portland Oregon.
I thought about going to this show too, but I really dislike General Admission. I'm getting too old to stand in line for hours hoping to get a good seat.
With the small venues he's playing I'm not sure how that could be an issue. The SD show only holds 150. The other two So-Cal venues seem to be jazz clubs.
Saw him in June, only show I've seen since Covid, (Nick caught me at the end to say hi) and it was great. Not many people there but they saw an amazing show. I don't know if I'd drive hours to see it because living in the Northeast kind of spoils me but I would absolutely see him again if he comes back.
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Is that a current show? When is it from?
From about 13 years ago, during the 10th Anniversary Tour in 2008.
-Marc.
That show is on the LTE Box from 2009.
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How is this aging for everyone?
I gave this a recent spin, and while Disc 1 has some good stuff, the bonus disc is definitely more to my liking; it seems a bit more adventurous and unpredictable, and I like the laid back nature as well.
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It’s probably my favorite LTE. I like that they separated the compositions from the jam sessions. I didn’t care much for those on the first two albums so I liked having a full album that was a bit more fully composed.
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I like the Rhapsody in Blue cover. Nothing else really stood out to me.
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Been a while, but I think the only things I’ve really come back to from this are on the second disc.
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Aging really well. It’s probably my favorite of their albums now even though the other 2 have higher highs.
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Yeah, it's the best of the three, if we're just counting the main disc. It's got some small bits I don't really like (the slower part in Hypersonic, all of Chris And Kevin's Amazing Odyssey which is an instant skip and a total waste of a track), but it's very solid overall. The Passage Of Time and Key To The Imagination are still awesome.
Here's hoping we get a tour or LTE4 in the not-too-distant future.
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Can't say I've listened to it at all in well over a year.
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I listened to it a couple of months back and it was just as great as I remembered. Yes the bonus stuff is great too but I really prefer disc 1 and have yet to watch that bonus footage of the band jamming that's on the bluray.
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It’s probably my favorite LTE. I like that they separated the compositions from the jam sessions. I didn’t care much for those on the first two albums so I liked having a full album that was a bit more fully composed.
See, I think the first two work a lot better due to the variety. Separating the jams and putting them on their own disc just gives the album an odd feel.
I think Hypersonic, which I feel is pretty blah, kicking off the main disc doesn't help. That felt like an obvious attempt to write another Paradigm Shift or Acid Rain, but while the lead track from the first two albums still managed to have good melodies despite the blistering pace, Hypersonic just feels like a whole lot of wank without anything memorable involved.
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I still spin it from time to time and enjoy both discs.
Here's hoping we get a tour or LTE4 in the not-too-distant future.
If I remember correctly, when the reunited for LTE3 they signed a two album deal. My guess is we get LTE4 sometime down the road and then a tour.
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I think it's my favorite LTE record but I rarely listen to it. I like LTE but it rare I go out my way to listen to it.
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Kind of wild that today is the 25th anniversary of the release of LTE 1.
https://twitter.com/theprogreport/status/1634201248139182081?s=46&t=4kmPAV3KyqJQqM-aHrYFSA
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How is this aging for everyone?
Not my favorite LTE album, but I like it a lot. I love that we finally got a studio recording of Rhapsody in Blue, but really I like the whole album, both discs.
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For me, this is an extremely rare case of "band reunites after X years" where the new album actually does feel like the original albums. I have a playlist of LTE1+2+3 and when I hit shuffle, this album fits right in. Disc 2 at times feels like LTE2 (e.g. Chewbacca) as much as it does Three Minute Warning, and Disc 1 fits in well with the classic, more structured tracks (e.g. Paradigm Shift, Acid Rain, Hourglass). It's interesting how much it helps that Rudess uses his classic synth sound rather than something more modern.
Contrast this with Transatlantic, for example, in which The Whirlwind is great but does not at all feel like SMPTe or BaF.
LTE3 is a rare triumph of recapturing the original feel and sound. It stands alongside 1+2 as one of my favorite albums of all time.
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For me, this is an extremely rare case of "band reunites after X years" where the new album actually does feel like the original albums. I have a playlist of LTE1+2+3 and when I hit shuffle, this album fits right in. Disc 2 at times feels like LTE2 (e.g. Chewbacca) as much as it does Three Minute Warning, and Disc 1 fits in well with the classic, more structured tracks (e.g. Paradigm Shift, Acid Rain, Hourglass). It's interesting how much it helps that Rudess uses his classic synth sound rather than something more modern.
Contrast this with Transatlantic, for example, in which The Whirlwind is great but does not at all feel like SMPTe or BaF.
LTE3 is a rare triumph of recapturing the original feel and sound. It stands alongside 1+2 as one of my favorite albums of all time.
I agree with this (both regarding LTE 3 and The Whirlwind).
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How is this aging for everyone?
I gave this a recent spin, and while Disc 1 has some good stuff, the bonus disc is definitely more to my liking; it seems a bit more adventurous and unpredictable, and I like the laid back nature as well.
Fits in well with all of the rest. Just noticed it's been quite a while that I've taken Liquid Trio Experiment off of the shelf.
Still listen to the 2008 Box the most out of anything else I think. (It remains one of my favorite box sets of all-time.)