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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: pg1067 on December 09, 2020, 12:34:44 PM
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Inspired by a discussion in another thread.
You have 80 minutes (no double CDs) but you aren't obligated to use all 80 or anything close. What songs make it? You get the songs that made the album and those on Cleaning out the Closet. I don't know how long the demo versions are, so I didn't include them, but you can mention that in comments if you want. No Metropolis Pt. 2 because it wasn't close to being done.
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:lol I should have known this thread was coming. :tup
I will give this a shot later. But I can say, preliminarily, that You Not Me, Hollow Years, and possibly Burning My Soul will be making an exit, and Raise the Knife will be included. Beyond that, I need to go back and listen to some of the COTC songs, and likely have to make some practical considerations based on time restraints, etc. We'll see. Despite that Hell's Kitchen is my least favorite album instrumental, it will likely stay on because I really think it works well as an intro to Lines in the Sand (unless it gets cut for time constraints).
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Haha. Can we just close my thread and add my response from there to this thread.
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I went for (in this order I think):
1. Raise the Knife
2. Speak to Me
3. Where Are You Now?
4. To Live Forever
5. Hell's Kitchen
6. Lines in the Sand
7. Peruvian Skies
8. Take Away My Pain
9. Trial of Tears
10. Eve
1:17:30
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Wouldn’t even make 80 min I don’t think. The only songs I’d want to include are:
New Millennium
Peruvian Skies
Hell’s Kitchen
Lines In The Sand
Trial Of Tears
To Live Forever
Don’t Look Past Me
Raise The Knife (would need re-recording though as James sounds like he’s phoning it in on the studio version)
1hr 7min
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Why are Eve, Don’t Look Past Me, or To Live Forever part of the poll? They weren’t even part of the FII sessions.
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Here’s what I’d pick and how I’d order them:
1. New Millennium (8:20)
2. Raise the Knife (11:35)
3. Hollow Years (5:53)
4. Hell's Kitchen (4:16)
5. Lines in the Sand (12:05)
6. Take Away My Pain (6:03)
7. Speak to Me (6:10)
8. The Way It Used to Be (7:45)
9. Trial of Tears (13:06)
I think that’s about 76 minutes (counting in my head). Also, it’s all killer, no filler.
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1. New Millennium
2. You Not Me
3. Peruvian Skies
4. Hollow Years
5. Cover My Eyes
6. Hell's Kitchen
7. Lines In The Sand
8. Take Away My Pain
9. The Way It Used To Be
10. Speak To Me
11. Trial Of Tears
Comes out to just under 80 minutes. I hate to lose Anna Lee but it would've been too many softer songs to include
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Wouldn’t even make 80 min I don’t think. The only songs I’d want to include are:
New Millennium
Peruvian Skies
Hell’s Kitchen
Lines In The Sand
Trial Of Tears
To Live Forever
Don’t Look Past Me
Raise The Knife (would need re-recording though as James sounds like he’s phoning it in on the studio version)
1hr 7min
I’m pretty sure Raise the Knife is a demo, right? It wasn’t recorded during the FII sessions I don’t think (was demo’d for ACOS I believe).
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Wouldn’t even make 80 min I don’t think. The only songs I’d want to include are:
New Millennium
Peruvian Skies
Hell’s Kitchen
Lines In The Sand
Trial Of Tears
To Live Forever
Don’t Look Past Me
Raise The Knife (would need re-recording though as James sounds like he’s phoning it in on the studio version)
1hr 7min
I’m pretty sure Raise the Knife is a demo, right? It wasn’t recorded during the FII sessions I don’t think (was demo’d for ACOS I believe).
I totally get that and that’s why I’d want it re-recorded properly to include it on FII, I wouldn’t include in it’s current form. I’m not having a pop at JLB, it just sounds like he’s understandably going through the motions for a demo rather than giving it the full treatment that he would on a final version. Love the version on Score.
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I love FII the way it is, although not perfect. But I think it would be a monster album like that:
1. New Millenium
2. Peruvian Skies
3. Hollow Years
4. Hell's Kitchen
5. Lines in the Sand
6. Raise the Knife
7. Where Are You Now?
8. The Way It Used to Be
9. Cover My Eyes (electric version)
10. Trial of Tears
But I really think it be released as a double CD. Every song has its merits.
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Well, here's my response and reasons why I chose these songs....
I'd actually like the album a lot if it had this tracklisting
1. Cover My Eyes (I wanted New Millenium to also stay, but I wanted Cover My Eyes to be included, and it's also not a bad opener with the intro being started by guitar.)
2. Where Are You Now? (As I stated, if they were to clean this song a bit more, It's pretty good as it is, there is just one section I feel they could trim off, 4:58-4:50 is that section, well they could work that out a bit more, but other than it's a good 2nd song. With the Drums coming in after the ending of Cover My Eyes vocal outro "Have I Lost My Mind")
3. Peruvian Skies (Studio)
4. Hollow Years (This one includes the pre-chorus before the Chorus and the extended Live Solo)
5. Raise The Knife
6. Lines In The Sand (This one includes the demo verse)
7. Take Away My Pain (The Once In A LIvetime version, I like that blend of the studio and the demo)
8. Hell's Kitchen (I didn't want to leave this one out, as it's a beautiful instrumental, so Just Let Me Breathe and Anna Lee had to go)(I would also hold the last chord and fade it into Trial of Tears, or maybe a short interlude)(Or Just put the demo version of Burning My Soul, that includes Hells Kitchen :lol)
9. Trial of Tears (Studio)
These are all songs I like and the ones I think would work well as the album, Falling Into Infinity.
It comes out to 1:18:03 with Burning My Soul demo, or 1:13:22 with just Hells Kitchen.
I listened to the playlist and it sounds really good.
For the poll, I voted for both Burning My Soul and Hells Kitchen as both can work. I just need a better version of them playing Burning My Soul Demo or just edit out MP's gagging at the end of the demo. :lol
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To add a little bit of spice, I'm gonna go for this version:
Just Let Me Breathe - it's FII, you have to start the funk early
Hollow Years - single at #2, no big thoughts there
Peruvian Skies - a really good song in a really good spot
Speak To Me - this is where we get a little mellow. I don't mind this album being mellow even in my fantasy, but it is my fantasy and I'd rather have "mellow" than Burning My Soul
Hell's Kitchen - >
Lines In The Sand - >
Take Away My Pain - > a really good three song run that probably shouldn't be switched around
Cover My Eyes - between TAMP and TOT we need another non-mellow song to break things up, and while Cover My Eyes might be one of the weaker songs from the sessions (I don't think so, but I have to acknowledge people who do), it's also a nice little jolt of energy.
Anna Lee - >
Trial Of Tears - has to close
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Why are Eve, Don’t Look Past Me, or To Live Forever part of the poll? They weren’t even part of the FII sessions.
Because...
You get the songs that made the album and those on Cleaning out the Closet.
First, I think that FII should have been released in 2000 instead of 1997 (that's just my own personal opinion)
Why would you want a band that had released two successful albums in a 27 month span, and which already had more than a full album's worth of material sit around and languish for another three years?
thirdly, a music video should have been made for Peruvian Skies
That would have been cheery....
By the way, mine would have been
You Not Me
Hollow Years
Burning My Soul
Hell's Kitchen
Lines in the Sand (with no guest vocals)
Take Away My Pain
Anna Lee
Trial of Tears
Raise the Knife
That's around the 60 minute mark, and I didn't give it any thought to song order.
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I love FII the way it is, although not perfect. But I think it would be a monster album like that:
1. New Millenium
2. Peruvian Skies
3. Hollow Years
4. Hell's Kitchen
5. Lines in the Sand
6. Raise the Knife
7. Where Are You Now?
8. The Way It Used to Be
9. Cover My Eyes (electric version)
10. Trial of Tears
But I really think it be released as a double CD. Every song has its merits.
I agree there is enough material for a good double (I posted a proposed track list for that somewhere else around here recently).
Edit: this was it:
Disc 1 (just under 52 minutes)
1. New Millennium
2. You or Me
3. Raise the Knife
4. Peruvian Skies
5. Cover My Eyes (could be convinced to drop this or include Burning My Soul instead)
6. Hell’s Kitchen
7. Lines in the Sand
Disc 2 (just over 52 minutes)
1. Take Away My Pain
2. Hollow Years
3. Where Are You Now (demo needs a little cleaning up/production but there’s a good song in there)
4. Speak to Me
5. The Way it Used to Be
6. Anna Lee
7. Trial of Tears
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Dump: You Not Me, Burning My Soul and Just Let Me Breathe.
Replace them with: To Live Forever, Speak to Me and Eve OR To Live Forever and Raise the Knife
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1. Raise the Knife
2. Cover My Eyes
3. Peruvian Skies
4. Hollow Years
5. Lines in the Sand
6. Where Are You Now
7. The Way It Used to Be
8. Trial of Tears
I've made this playlist before. I'm never quite sure about the order, though. Had this been FII, Dream Theater would have had a streak of four great albums in the 90s.
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I didn't have time to make it foolproof and I believe I might go 30 seconds or so over the CD limit, but I would have:
1. New Millennium
2. Raise the Knife
3. Peruvian Skies
4. Hollow Years
5. Burning my Soul
6. Hell’s Kitchen
7. Lines in the Sand
8. Cover My Eyes
9. Speak to Me
10. You Not Me
11. Trail of Tears
Basically replace Just Let me Breathe with Raise the Knife, Anna Lee with Speak to Me, and Take Away My Pain with Cover My Eyes to make it all a little less slow.
The original sequence was fine but sticking Raise the Knife as second track ups the game. Then it all flows as usual until you catch a breath after Lines in the Sand with the short and catchy Cover My Eyes, Then it's time for the other big ballad, Speak to Me, and to pump things up one last time, You Not Me can stay there near the end and ready to be forgotten because after that comes Trial of Tears, which of course has to end it all.
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Mojado Ilegal's version would be pretty much my ideal FII... But here's my cut in specific order:
1. Burning My Soul
2. Hell's Kitchen
3. Lines in the Sand
4. Don't Look Past Me
5. Hollow Years
6. Raise The Knife
7. To Live Forever
8. Just Let Me Breathe
9. Anna Lee
10. Trial of Tears
11. Eve
Running time: 1:19:52, 79,86 minutes.
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1. Raise The Knife (Score version)
2. Hollow Years ('04 arrangement)
3. Hell's Kitchen
4. Lines In The Sand
5. Just Let Me Breathe ('05 version)
6. Peruvian Skies
7. Cover My Eyes OR Take Away My Pain (FII Demo version)
8. Trial Of Tears
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Basically the same album with no New Millennium, Just Let Me Breath, or Lines in the Sand. I guess you could replace those with Cover My Eyes, Speak to Me, and the Way It Used To Be. Maybe Raise the Knife if there's enough room left. Not huge fans of those and they would probably be my least favorite on the album but better than the ones that ended up on there.
And yes, You Not Me is better than all of those.
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I am not including Eve, Don’t Look Past Me, or To Live Forever since none of those songs came from the FII sessions/writing period.
I always thought the beginning of Hell's Kitchen could have been tweaked a bit to give it an intro feel to where it was a great first track that leads into the first proper song with lyrics (Lines...).
1. Hell's Kitchen
2. Lines in the Sand
3. Peruvian Skies
4. Hollow Years
5. Raise the Knife
6. Cover My Eyes
7. Take Away My Pain (FII finished version)
8. Just Let Me Breathe
9. Speak to Me
10. Trial of Tears
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Hey, it's the annual "FII sucks, try and make it better" thread! :D
Following pg's rules (his choices and keeping the arrangements as they were, or in demo form):
1. Raise The Knife
2. Hollow Years
3. Hell's Kitchen
4. Lines In The Sand (breaking the rules here: no guest vox)
5. Peruvian Skies
6. Speak to Me
7. Trial Of Tears
Even that isn't a very solid album.
Not following the rules, and going outside the bounds of what was realistic at the time:
1. A Change of Seasons
2. Hollow Years
3. Raise the Knife
4. Hell's Kitchen
5. Lines In The Sand (no guest vox)
6. Peruvian Skies
7. Speak to Me
8. Trial Of Tears
If that is too long, ditch Speak to Me, then Hollow Years. ACoS on a proper album instantly makes it one of their better albums. Having on an EP with a bunch of covers doesn't do it justice. And since I don't care about their covers, it's wasted for me.
Eve is a tricky song for me. I like it, but more as a rando song; it doesn't seem to fit in to any album anywhere.
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I would just replace Anna Lee with Speak To Me. I’d be cool with that.
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I like this thread! :heart
I think that FII is a great album and doesn´t have a song which i´d skip.
But if I´d have to mix things up my Falling Into Infinity would be as follows:
1. Just Let Me Breathe
2. You Or Me
3. To Live Forever
4. Hell´s Kitchen
5. Burning My Soul
6. Hollow Years
7. Take Away My Pain
8. Raise The Knife
9. Where Are You Now?
10. Anna Lee
11. Trial Of Tears
Just Let Me Breathe would be a KILLER opener for an album or a live show.
IMO FII is the best sounding Dream Theater album. The drums sound amazing and Derek makes a big difference. Also, Derek brings a little bit of sex into the band... A little bit of dangerous...
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01 New Millenium
02 Cover My Eyes
03 Peruvian Skies
04 Hollow Years
05 Hell's Kitchen
06 Where Are You Now
07 Raise The Knife
08 Speak To Me
09 The Way It Use To Be
10 Anna Lee
11 Trial of Tears
I imagine my version would be an even bigger failure. I cut out all the heavy metal shit (Burning My Soul, Just Let Me Breathe) and there was a lot of soft songs left.
I had to cut Lines In The Sand to make room.
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1. New Millenium
2. Cover my Eyes
3. Peruvian Skies
4. Raise the Knife
5. Hell’s Kitchen
6. Lines in the Sand
7. Where are you now?
8. The way it used to be
9. Speak to me
10. Trial of Tears
Don’t know how long but it would kick ass.
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I don't have access to Cleaning Out The Closet so I just did what is available on Spotify. I also included only a song from the FII sessions, so no older songs. My edit is.more o song flo and I even came up with a title for the playlist:
Imagine Infinity (https://open.spotify.com/playlist/33uCzWambv9jYDdgWs7AKU?si=HOMz-Md7SjW7YvXo3pz3Ig)
Raise the Knife (Score)
Peruvian Skies
Anna Lee
Burning My Soul
Hell's Kitchen
Lines In The Sand
Hollow Years (Budokan)
Take Away My Pain
Trial Of Tears
Would have included Cover My Eyes if it is on Spotify.
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New Millennium
Cover My Eyes
Peruvian Skies
Hell's Kitchen
Lines In The Sand
Speak To Me
Reise The Knife
Take Away My Pain
To Live Forever
Trial of Tears
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01: Raise the Knife-11:35
02: Peruvian Skies-6:43
03: Take Away My Pain-6:03
04: Burning My Soul-5:29
05: Hell’s Kitchen-4:16
06: Lines in the Sand-12:05
07: Hollow Years-5:53
08: Just Let Me Breathe-5:28
09: Anna Lee-5:51
10: Trial of Tears-13:06
Total Runtime-76:29
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Well, I think the Director's Cut is already the "perfect" DT album (not quite, but I prefer it greatly to the released version).
Raise the Knife (11:35)
Where Are You Now (7:26)
Take Away My Pain (6:03)
You Not Me (4:58) (The demo version, if only for the lack of annoying backing vocals)
Anna Lee (5:51)
Burning My Soul/Hell's Kitchen (5:29 + 4:16)
The Way It Used to Be (7:45) (This is one of my favorite songs of the session)
Lines in the Sand (12:05)
Just Let Me Breathe (5:28)
Peruvian Skies (6:43)
Cover My Eyes (3:21)
Hollow Years (5:53)
Speak to Me (6:10)
New Millennium (8:20)
Trial of Tears (13:06)
I used the combined BMS/HK, and moved TOT to the end where it belongs. :) LITS is the demo version, and with none of Doug Pinnick's screeching (though I don't really care for LaBrie's either; that chorus has to go).
To cut to 80 minutes is the hardest part of this; but to honor the ask by PG, I would go with:
Raise the Knife (11:35)
Where Are You Now (7:26)
Take Away My Pain (6:03)
Anna Lee (5:51)
The Way It Used to Be (7:45)
Peruvian Skies (6:43)
Cover My Eyes (3:21)
Hollow Years (5:53)
Speak to Me (6:10)
Trial of Tears (13:06)
For the record, I didn't consider Eve or Live Forever, but they would have made it; I love both, and the '91 version of LF is a top ten DT song for me, 100%.
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I made my own version of FII back in the day, and I think my track list was: New Millennium, Raise the Knife, Peruvian Skies, Hollow Years, Hell's Kitchen, Lines in the Sand, Speak to Me, and Trial of Tears. It ended up being one of my most listened-to DT albums.
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New Millennium (8:20)
Burning My Soul (5:29)
Hell's Kitchen (4:16)
Lines in the Sand (12:05)
Just Let Me Breathe (5:28)
Trial of Tears (13:06)
To Live Forever (4:36 or 4:55)
Raise the Knife (11:35)
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FII is so, so good.
I feel bad for people that can't see that.
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FII is so, so good.
I feel bad for people that can't see that.
You "feel bad" for people whose opinions differ from your own? What a strange outlook on things. It's not that people "can't see that" it's "so, so good;" it's that we have a different opinion.
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The poll has been up for a little more than 48 hours.
38 people have voted. No song has gotten 38 votes. The songs that got the most votes and which would fit onto an 80 minute CD are as follows:
Trial of Tears (13:06) -- 36 votes
Lines in the Sand (12:05) -- 35 votes
Hell's Kitchen (4:16) -- 34 votes
Raise the Knife (11:35) -- 31 votes
Peruvian Skies (6:43) -- 30 votes
Hollow Years (5:53) -- 29 votes
New Millennium (8:20) -- 25 votes
Take Away My Pain (6:03) -- 24 votes
Speak to Me (6:10) -- 20 votes
To Live Forever (4:55) -- 14 votes
Total run time -- 79:06
We'd be losing You Not Me, Burning My Soul, Just Let Me Breathe and Anna Lee in favor of Raise the Knife, Speak to Me and To Live Forever. For my money, that wouldn't improve the album as a whole by much.
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The poll has been up for a little more than 48 hours.
38 people have voted. No song has gotten 38 votes. The songs that got the most votes and which would fit onto an 80 minute CD are as follows:
Trial of Tears (13:06) -- 36 votes
Lines in the Sand (12:05) -- 35 votes
Hell's Kitchen (4:16) -- 34 votes
Raise the Knife (11:35) -- 31 votes
Peruvian Skies (6:43) -- 30 votes
Hollow Years (5:53) -- 29 votes
New Millennium (8:20) -- 25 votes
Take Away My Pain (6:03) -- 24 votes
Speak to Me (6:10) -- 20 votes
To Live Forever (4:55) -- 14 votes
Total run time -- 79:06
We'd be losing You Not Me, Burning My Soul, Just Let Me Breathe and Anna Lee in favor of Raise the Knife, Speak to Me and To Live Forever. For my money, that wouldn't improve the album as a whole by much.
The forum has spoken. I think we collectively axed the right tracks, and that’s a great track list IMO.
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i'm baffled at Hell's Kitchen being the most voted song after the two big epics. It's not that I don't like it, but it's literally a mix of a random instrumental section that did not belong in the song where it was in (Burning My Soul... dislike what you want the song, but I don't think that taking it for a sudden musical detour that has nothing to do with the rest of the song would have made it better), and a (very nice) ending which was written with the sole purpouse of ending up nicely into Lines in the Sand's beginning, and owing to it in a certain sense.
I know that the origins of a song shouldn't be called into consideration, otherwise we should deny Paranoid its place in the hall of fame of heavy metal landmark songs because "it was just written as a filler", but I've always seen it as just an ok song, almost a throwaway one, and nothing more.
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The poll has been up for a little more than 48 hours.
38 people have voted. No song has gotten 38 votes. The songs that got the most votes and which would fit onto an 80 minute CD are as follows:
Trial of Tears (13:06) -- 36 votes
Lines in the Sand (12:05) -- 35 votes
Hell's Kitchen (4:16) -- 34 votes
Raise the Knife (11:35) -- 31 votes
Peruvian Skies (6:43) -- 30 votes
Hollow Years (5:53) -- 29 votes
New Millennium (8:20) -- 25 votes
Take Away My Pain (6:03) -- 24 votes
Speak to Me (6:10) -- 20 votes
To Live Forever (4:55) -- 14 votes
Total run time -- 79:06
We'd be losing You Not Me, Burning My Soul, Just Let Me Breathe and Anna Lee in favor of Raise the Knife, Speak to Me and To Live Forever. For my money, that wouldn't improve the album as a whole by much.
The forum has spoken. I think we collectively axed the right tracks, and that’s a great track list IMO.
Add YNM and Anna Lee and drop New Millennium and I'd have it higher in my DT album rankings.
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i'm baffled at Hell's Kitchen being the most voted song after the two big epics. It's not that I don't like it, but it's literally a mix of a random instrumental section that did not belong in the song where it was in (Burning My Soul... dislike what you want the song, but I don't think that taking it for a sudden musical detour that has nothing to do with the rest of the song would have made it better), and a (very nice) ending which was written with the sole purpouse of ending up nicely into Lines in the Sand's beginning, and owing to it in a certain sense.
I know that the origins of a song shouldn't be called into consideration, otherwise we should deny Paranoid its place in the hall of fame of heavy metal landmark songs because "it was just written as a filler", but I've always seen it as just an ok song, almost a throwaway one, and nothing more.
For my money, it's one of my fave instrumental tracks, and DT don't have a song that compares to it either, which adds to its value. I love Eve as well, since it's really a perfect blend of JP's early influences with KM's early influences, but I can see how people might think it doesn't have much going on. HK is just super scenic.
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i'm baffled at Hell's Kitchen being the most voted song after the two big epics. It's not that I don't like it, but it's literally a mix of a random instrumental section that did not belong in the song where it was in (Burning My Soul... dislike what you want the song, but I don't think that taking it for a sudden musical detour that has nothing to do with the rest of the song would have made it better), and a (very nice) ending which was written with the sole purpouse of ending up nicely into Lines in the Sand's beginning, and owing to it in a certain sense.
I know that the origins of a song shouldn't be called into consideration, otherwise we should deny Paranoid its place in the hall of fame of heavy metal landmark songs because "it was just written as a filler", but I've always seen it as just an ok song, almost a throwaway one, and nothing more.
For my money, it's one of my fave instrumental tracks, and DT don't have a song that compares to it either, which adds to its value. I love Eve as well, since it's really a perfect blend of JP's early influences with KM's early influences, but I can see how people might think it doesn't have much going on. HK is just super scenic.
Ditto. It’s my favorite DT instrumental and almost a perfectly constructed one. One of my favorite JP moments altogether. It was a brilliant idea (Kevin Shirley’s I believe) to rescue it from Burning My Soul and make it a stand alone piece.
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i'm baffled at Hell's Kitchen being the most voted song after the two big epics. It's not that I don't like it, but it's literally a mix of a random instrumental section that did not belong in the song where it was in (Burning My Soul... dislike what you want the song, but I don't think that taking it for a sudden musical detour that has nothing to do with the rest of the song would have made it better), and a (very nice) ending which was written with the sole purpouse of ending up nicely into Lines in the Sand's beginning, and owing to it in a certain sense.
I know that the origins of a song shouldn't be called into consideration, otherwise we should deny Paranoid its place in the hall of fame of heavy metal landmark songs because "it was just written as a filler", but I've always seen it as just an ok song, almost a throwaway one, and nothing more.
For my money, it's one of my fave instrumental tracks, and DT don't have a song that compares to it either, which adds to its value. I love Eve as well, since it's really a perfect blend of JP's early influences with KM's early influences, but I can see how people might think it doesn't have much going on. HK is just super scenic.
Ditto. It’s my favorite DT instrumental and almost a perfectly constructed one. One of my favorite JP moments altogether. It was a brilliant idea (Kevin Shirley’s I believe) to rescue it from Burning My Soul and make it a stand alone piece.
It's a cool song. For me, it's the shifting time signatures. It doesn't compare to songs like TDOE or SOC, but it wasn't written as that type of song, so that's fine. It's just that, with the dearth of great songs on FII, HK steps to the forefront.
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01 - Trial of tears
02 - Hollow years
03 - You not me
04 - Take away my pain
05 - Just let me breathe
06 - New millennium
07 - Peruvian skies
08 - Burning my soul
09 - Hell's kitchen
10 - Lines in the sand
11 - Anna Lee
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01 - Trial of tears
02 - Hollow years
03 - You not me
04 - Take away my pain
05 - Just let me breathe
06 - New millennium
07 - Peruvian skies
08 - Burning my soul
09 - Hell's kitchen
10 - Lines in the sand
11 - Anna Lee
This for me. I really dig Just let Me Breathe. I don't understand why no one much likes it. But that's ok.
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01 - Trial of tears
02 - Hollow years
03 - You not me
04 - Take away my pain
05 - Just let me breathe
06 - New millennium
07 - Peruvian skies
08 - Burning my soul
09 - Hell's kitchen
10 - Lines in the sand
11 - Anna Lee
This for me. I really dig Just let Me Breathe. I don't understand why no one much likes it. But that's ok.
I picked it too, just close your mind... has been my favorite DT lyric since FII was released. Song is different for though so I can see why many look past it.
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Here's my final list:
New Millenium
Peruvian Skies
Hell's Kitchen
Lines in the Sand
Take Away My Pain
Just Let Me Breathe
Trial of Tears
Raise the Knife
Cover My Eyes
Speak To Me
My rationale:
NM, PS, LITS, TAMP, and TOT were going to make the cut no matter what. Best songs on the album, and some of the best in the DT catalog. JLMB, AL, and HK were "maybe" tracks. As I've said, I don't really like HK at all as a standalone song. But it works really well as an intro to LITS, so I was willing to consider it, and it made the cut in that context. I probably like Ana Lee the most of those three songs. On a different day, I would have chosen it over JLMB.
YNM and Hollow Years would never make it onto any DT album I would be creating. Ever. BMS almost fits into that category as well, except for the fact that I stand by a comment I have made before that, although I don't really like it, it strikes me as a song that would probably be pretty cool live.
Of the additional songs, I didn't consider To Live Forever or Eve because they weren't from the FII sessions (and Eve is just horrible anyway). RTK and Speak were going to make it no matter what. Cover My Eyes is the next in line, and it made it over Anna Lee just because, at 3:21, it would fit and AL wouldn't.
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The poll has been up for a little more than 48 hours.
38 people have voted. No song has gotten 38 votes. The songs that got the most votes and which would fit onto an 80 minute CD are as follows:
Trial of Tears (13:06) -- 36 votes
Lines in the Sand (12:05) -- 35 votes
Hell's Kitchen (4:16) -- 34 votes
Raise the Knife (11:35) -- 31 votes
Peruvian Skies (6:43) -- 30 votes
Hollow Years (5:53) -- 29 votes
New Millennium (8:20) -- 25 votes
Take Away My Pain (6:03) -- 24 votes
Speak to Me (6:10) -- 20 votes
To Live Forever (4:55) -- 14 votes
Total run time -- 79:06
We'd be losing You Not Me, Burning My Soul, Just Let Me Breathe and Anna Lee in favor of Raise the Knife, Speak to Me and To Live Forever. For my money, that wouldn't improve the album as a whole by much.
After three more days, we have 11 more people voting and a change to our reconfigured FII.
Both Peruvian Skies (40) and Hollow Years (38) now have more votes than Raise the Knife (37), but that doesn't change anything.
However, three songs have now passed To Live Forever, which was the last song in. Anna Lee now has 22 votes, Cover My Eyes has 19 votes, and TWIUTB has 18 votes, while TLF picked up only two more votes and now has 16. Replacing TLF with Anna Lee puts our run time at 80:02, but I'm going to say close enough. We can easily cut a couple seconds from the intro to Trial of Tears.
Now if we could just get more votes that would allow for New Millennium to be excluded.... :biggrin:
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01 - Trial of tears
02 - Hollow years
03 - You not me
04 - Take away my pain
05 - Just let me breathe
06 - New millennium
07 - Peruvian skies
08 - Burning my soul
09 - Hell's kitchen
10 - Lines in the sand
11 - Anna Lee
This for me. I really dig Just let Me Breathe. I don't understand why no one much likes it. But that's ok.
Same :)
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The poll has been up for a little more than 48 hours.
38 people have voted. No song has gotten 38 votes. The songs that got the most votes and which would fit onto an 80 minute CD are as follows:
Trial of Tears (13:06) -- 36 votes
Lines in the Sand (12:05) -- 35 votes
Hell's Kitchen (4:16) -- 34 votes
Raise the Knife (11:35) -- 31 votes
Peruvian Skies (6:43) -- 30 votes
Hollow Years (5:53) -- 29 votes
New Millennium (8:20) -- 25 votes
Take Away My Pain (6:03) -- 24 votes
Speak to Me (6:10) -- 20 votes
To Live Forever (4:55) -- 14 votes
Total run time -- 79:06
We'd be losing You Not Me, Burning My Soul, Just Let Me Breathe and Anna Lee in favor of Raise the Knife, Speak to Me and To Live Forever. For my money, that wouldn't improve the album as a whole by much.
After three more days, we have 11 more people voting and a change to our reconfigured FII.
Both Peruvian Skies (40) and Hollow Years (38) now have more votes than Raise the Knife (37), but that doesn't change anything.
However, three songs have now passed To Live Forever, which was the last song in. Anna Lee now has 22 votes, Cover My Eyes has 19 votes, and TWIUTB has 18 votes, while TLF picked up only two more votes and now has 16. Replacing TLF with Anna Lee puts our run time at 80:02, but I'm going to say close enough. We can easily cut a couple seconds from the intro to Trial of Tears.
Now if we could just get more votes that would allow for New Millennium to be excluded.... :biggrin:
I think there should be an asterisk by To Live Forever. That's a top ten DT song for me, and I LOVE it. I excluded it because it wasn't from the FII sessions. I think there are one or two others doing the same thing. I know, I know, you didn't exclude it, but I'm just saying, the lack of votes for it may involve more than just "it's not good enough".
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I think there should be an asterisk by To Live Forever. That's a top ten DT song for me, and I LOVE it. I excluded it because it wasn't from the FII sessions. I think there are one or two others doing the same thing. I know, I know, you didn't exclude it, but I'm just saying, the lack of votes for it may involve more than just "it's not good enough".
It's gotten plenty of votes and, for a while, had enough votes to make this hypothetical reconfigured album. Don't Look Past Me and Eve are also not from the FII sessions, and folks are free to exclude them from their votes in this thread for that reason or any other, including not liking Kevin Moore or not liking songs with less than four letters in the name.
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I think there should be an asterisk by To Live Forever. That's a top ten DT song for me, and I LOVE it. I excluded it because it wasn't from the FII sessions. I think there are one or two others doing the same thing. I know, I know, you didn't exclude it, but I'm just saying, the lack of votes for it may involve more than just "it's not good enough".
It's gotten plenty of votes and, for a while, had enough votes to make this hypothetical reconfigured album. Don't Look Past Me and Eve are also not from the FII sessions, and folks are free to exclude them from their votes in this thread for that reason or any other, including not liking Kevin Moore or not liking songs with less than four letters in the name.
Fair enough. Not arguing with you.
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I would just replace Anna Lee with Speak To Me. I’d be cool with that.
I’ve always liked FII just the way it is. However, I thought more about this, and when I had some time, I put this together. It’s right under 80 mins.
Raise the Knife 11:40
You or Me 6:26
Peruvian Skies 6:44
Hollow Years 5:54
Cover My Eyes 3:24
Lines in the Sand 12:06
Take Away My Pain(demo version) 6:52
Just Let Me Breathe 5:29
Speak to Me 6:11
Trial of Tears 13:06
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A few of the options are mystifying, since they aren't from that time period, but here is my version, in no particular order.
New Millenium
Peruvian Skies
Hollow Years
Hell's Kitchen
Lines in the Sand
Trial of Tears
Raise the Knife
The Way it Used to Be
Cover my Eyes
Speak to Me
79:14
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Add me to the list of those who excluded TLF, DLPM and Eve because they weren't part of the FII sessions. I went with:
Raise the Knife
The Way It Used to Be
Peruvian Skies
Hollow Years
Burning My Soul (demo version)
Lines in the Sand (demo version)
Just Let Me Breathe
Speak to Me
Trial of Tears
79:30
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FII is so, so good.
I feel bad for people that can't see that.
Fortunately I can “hear” that half the songs suck.
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This is a really cool thread. Not sure how I missed it.
Anyway, here are my picks along with my preferred track order.
1. Raise the Knife (I think this is the perfect way to start the album out on a high note with this barnstormer)
2. Hells Kitchen (can't leave one of my favorite instrumental tracks off the album)
3. Lines In the Sand (this song absolutely has to follow Hells Kitchen)
4. The Way It Used to Be (I love this song and it's upbeat tempo, good change of pace after Lines in the Sand)
5. Hollow Years (this would be a modified version based on the Budokan version, with an extended acoustic intro and extended electric guitar solo, let's assume it clocks in at 9 minutes)
6. Take Away My Pain (Just a great song)
7. Anna Lee (Anally)
8. Cover My Eyes (a short song, but with great vocal melodies)
9. Eve (I think this is the perfect intro instrumental to Trial of Tears, the same way Hells Kitchen is the perfect intro to Lines in the Sand)
10. Trial of Tears (no version of FII is complete without this song....I will die on this hill!)
This clocks in at a bit over 78 minutes. I'm undecided if I would switch around tracks 4 and 5.....
Now I'm going to go take the these tracks and mix/edit them so they sound coherent in this ordering...
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That's an interesting track listing. That would probably change FII on my overall ranking from being in the bottom 3 to being at the very bottom and something I would never listen to.
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That's an interesting track listing. That would probably change FII on my overall ranking from being in the bottom 3 to being at the very bottom and something I would never listen to.
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I feel like this is a huge accomplishment! :lol
As Chad always likes to say, Tastes!
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The results have been skewed due to people voting for songs that shouldn't have been in the poll at all. I'm afraid you'll have to start all over again. :p
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I know this poll is sort of closed, but 1) I have a soft spot for FII and 2) I recognize it could have been better...so I hope you'll forgive me putting in my two cents ;)
I'm not considering Don't Look Past Me, To Live Forever and Eve since, as it's been observed, they weren't really part of these sessions (plus I guess To Live Forever and Eve had an "official" release before FII via singles...)
Here's my "re-imagined" FII tracklist:
1. New Millennium (always liked this song...lots of cool ideas, and works great as an opener)
2. Peruvian Skies (minor DT classic, I think)
3. Raise the Knife (traces of pre-FII DT with a new, relatively more stripped-down sound. Works great, imo)
4. Hell's Kitchen (so thankful it was "extracted" from Burning My Soul...great instrumental...)
5. Lines in the Sand (...and perfect lead-in for this - amazing - song. One of my absolute favorites)
6. Take Away My Pain (my favorite ballad of the three in the actual album)
7. The Way It Used to Be (love JP's playing on this one)
8. Speak to Me (Really cool The Cure-U2 mix in here)
9. Trial of Tears (another DT classic)
76:13 running time
Looking at this, it's 6 out of the 11 in the actual tracklist. I was debating the inclusion of Just Let Me Breathe, which I enjoy (at least musically) and would have given the album a little more of a "kick". Unfortunately it just pushes the run-time a little over 80 minutes, and I don't think I'd take it over any of the 9 above. Overall, I would buy this ;D
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Replace: Take Away My Pain, Just Let Me Breathe, Anna Lee
With: Raise The Knife, The Way It Used To Be
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New Millennium
The Way It Used to Be
Peruvian Skies
Hollow Years
Hell's Kitchen
Lines in the Sand
Take Away My Pain (demo version)
Just Let Me Breathe
Speak to Me
Trial of Tears
Excluding Raise the Knife is painful. But, with the time constraint, I'm not really sure where it goes:
- Could swap out New Millennium, but that's a perfect opening track
- Could swap The Way It Used to Be (Ithink), but that song is a great bridge between NM and HY
- Could add between HY and HK, but then JLMB and STM have to be swapped for CME, which makes the post LITS part of the album unbalanced
Really this should have just been a double album