sent
Sweet! It doesn’t appear the links to the previous roulettes came through in your original post BTW.
I was gonna join to send pretty much anything but prog so I'll sit this one out unfortunately
I think I've got enough for four rounds if you'll have me :corn
Actually let me in
Actually let me in
Finally noticed all the power metal in the required artists? :lol
:rollinActually let me in
Finally noticed all the power metal in the required artists? :lol
Literally yes :lol finally gave the banned list a once over and was like oh well this will take zero effort
Oh by the way, can I wait until I know who am I up against and then send my album?I'm voting against this as I think matchups should be kept blind until all albums are received
Matchups:
(Will be posted once participant list is complete.)
Well I'm not sending until we get answers!
Well I'm not sending until we get answers!
You and I aren't even on the participants list yet
I'll send after I see who my victim is
Can I bet on myself like Pete Rose?Sure!
betting it all on myselfWrong roulette, that one ended months ago :biggrin:
the walrus has entered the ring, 'ichiban #1' embroidered aback his robe
betting it all on myselfWrong roulette, that one ended months ago :biggrin:
the walrus has entered the ring, 'ichiban #1' embroidered aback his robe
You can bet on or against yourself, in both cases like Pete Rose.
Participants:
1. Evermind
2. Cyril
3. Puppies_On_Acid
4. MoraWintersoul
5. HOF
6. romdrums
7. Sacul
8. Buddyhunter1
9. Elite
10. twosuitsluke
11. Kattelox
Participants:
1. Evermind
2. Cyril
3. Puppies_On_Acid
4. MoraWintersoul
5. HOF
6. romdrums
7. Sacul
8. Buddyhunter1
9. Elite
10. twosuitsluke
11. Kattelox
Who??
Kattelox is Lithuanian for big mammal with mustache.
CYRIL IS ALLOWED TO KILL PEOPLE - CYRIL IS ALLOWED TO KILL PEOPLE - CYRIL IS ALLOWED TO KILL PEOPLE
If Cyril kills anyone the walrus calls dibs on the liver
Cyril's weapon of choice?harsh noise
Cyril's weapon of choice?harsh noise
Cyril's weapon of choice?harsh noise
Cyril's weapon of choice?harsh noise
Won't be very effective against Sacul
yeah i literally make harsh noise music sometimes :lol
:vomitard:yeah i literally make harsh noise music sometimes :lol
Yeah but what about your music? :neverusethis:
Walrein vs. Growlithe round 3
Looks like I'll be beating Sacul, TAC, Firewings, and Mora.....in that order. :bringiton:
Knuck
I'm not sure I know what synthwave actually sounds like. I think maybe it's like the EP Cyril sent me a couple of roulettes ago? If so, you can see my thoughts on that EP here (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=52833.msg2500623;topicseen#msg2500623). I don't have much experience with music in that style besides what I heard there, but there was definitely some stuff I liked.gunship are definitely synthwave, i don't think the rest of the songs there would be
Puppies. Shame on you for planning to hit an old man.AND a lady with glasses.
Knuck
(https://i.imgur.com/4lPhQR2.jpg)
Sorry to knock you out in round 1, Buddy, but I think when you see what I sent, you'll understand and also agree that I deserve the victory.
Sorry to knock you out in round 1, Buddy, but I think when you see what I sent, you'll understand and also agree that I deserve the victory.
Not if it's power metal. :lol
Sorry to knock you out in round 1, Buddy, but I think when you see what I sent, you'll understand and also agree that I deserve the victory.
Not if it's power metal. :lol
Do those sound like the words of someone who sent a 60 minute cheese fondue fountain? I sent something that kicked your OWN ass in recent history. :2metal:
Sorry to knock you out in round 1, Buddy, but I think when you see what I sent, you'll understand and also agree that I deserve the victory.
Not if it's power metal. :lol
Do those sound like the words of someone who sent a 60 minute cheese fondue fountain? I sent something that kicked your OWN ass in recent history. :2metal:
I'm pretty sure I know what you're talking about but if I'm right I also think you're greatly over-exaggerating. ;)
425 kindly asked me to sit this one out; he felt it was unfair for me to wipe the floor with you all using various incarnations of Ritchie Blackmore's career. So I'm just here to heckle and harass.
:)
425 kindly asked me to sit this one out; he felt it was unfair for me to wipe the floor with you all using various incarnations of Ritchie Blackmore's career. So I'm just here to heckle and harass.
:)
Eh, whatevs. Not like you would've sent his best stuff, anyway. ;)
Cyril sent TPE pt. 1i made it too obvious huh :rollin
Maybe 425 likes Remedy Lane better :neverusethis:if we actually both sent PoS albums separately in our head-to-head i'm gonna die cry-laughing :rollin :rollin :rollin
Anyone want to guess which one person has not sent yet? :neverusethis:splent
Slacul
How about this: He asked for my thoughts about three artists; if he doesn't send eventually then you can pick the album from those artists that you think I'd hate most.
Anyone want to guess which one person has not sent yet? :neverusethis:
Everyone is now in. I imagine I should probably wait until tomorrow for hangmanen—I know it's too late for our European friends.It's their own fault for going to bed so early. :biggrin:
Everyone sent an artist from the required list.this is probably the least surprising thing possible, everyone wants to claim dibs on their top picks
Anyone want to guess which one person has not sent yet? :neverusethis:
I'M NOT IN THE ROULETTE.
I'll pick his album if you want.
Everyone sent an artist from the required list.this is probably the least surprising thing possible, everyone wants to claim dibs on their top picks
upset that i am not actually having a TPE1 vs. RL faceoff
He asked for my thoughts about three artistsWhat an amateur, everyone knows the right thing to do is to go through your entire forum history.
Ulver - The Assassination of Julius Caesar
WALLLLRUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSS
Nothing I have sent has been guessed yet. I don't even know if I'm in dis batch
Nothing I have sent has been guessed yet. I don't even know if I'm in dis batch
There's only one batch. Twelve players, twelve albums.
Cyril's guesses are right.
Nothing I have sent has been guessed yet. I don't even know if I'm in dis batch
There's only one batch. Twelve players, twelve albums.
Cyril's guesses are right.
This is what happens when I don't read posts before guessing things, and also when I mix up one roulette thread with another. I think I'm caught up now. :rollin
daniel gildenlow is going to kill julius caesar
Did Elite send Ulver?
daniel gildenlow is going to kill julius caesar
This is literally exactly right wtf:lol
I embarrassingly have not listened to folklore yet. I will get to it at some point before the end of the year.
this is the Taylor Swift album of that name we're discussing here, by the way :rollin
LoL, I was thinking the Big Big Train album too!this is the Taylor Swift album of that name we're discussing here, by the way :rollin
Oh, that Folklore. :P
Why would I care about a BBT album guysNo idea...... except I forgot Taylor Swift had an album of the same name.
Also, Mora is now on my shit-listEveryone who sent Voyager is on my shit list. Or bless you list, in case he doesn't like them and it saves me from performing poorly. I would have sent The Meaning of I though, or V.
Also, Mora is now on my shit-listEveryone who sent Voyager is on my shit list. Or bless you list, in case he doesn't like them and it saves me from performing poorly. I would have sent The Meaning of I though, or V.
WOW; I only know one of those albums. I don't even know what all the albums are (from the covers).Marbles damn well better win!
Who sent "Marbles"? They're going to win. :)
SGHN smack talk* :angel:Also, Mora is now on my shit-listEveryone who sent Voyager is on my shit list. Or bless you list, in case he doesn't like them and it saves me from performing poorly. I would have sent The Meaning of I though, or V.
You're already on my shit list for that Sonata Arctica smack talk!! :lol
I've got faith 425 will find Marillion too long and that it drags and that gives me the edge :corn
SGHN smack talk* :angel:Also, Mora is now on my shit-listEveryone who sent Voyager is on my shit list. Or bless you list, in case he doesn't like them and it saves me from performing poorly. I would have sent The Meaning of I though, or V.
You're already on my shit list for that Sonata Arctica smack talk!! :lol
twosuitsluke vs. MoraWintersoul - always bet on yourself
Evermind vs. TAC - giving the edge to Witherfall, Soen can be a little monotone
Sacul vs. Puppies_On_Acid - I have a feeling Marillion will be the best rated band this round
romdrums vs. HOF - I have to give *one* win to Voyager, and I prefer Colours to Ghost Mile, so there
Elite vs. Cyril - this might be the final straw re: 425 and PoS. they are stronger if you listen to albums, but I don't think it will be quite up 425's (what's your name man) alley.
Buddyhunter1 vs. The Walrus - Phideaux is v underrated.
:neverusethis: :neverusethis: :neverusethis:I've got faith 425 will find Marillion too long and that it drags and that gives me the edge :corn
The only thing that drags more is my EP for your roulette :biggrin: :corn
Elite vs. Cyril - this might be the final straw re: 425 and PoS. they are stronger if you listen to albums, but I don't think it will be quite up 425's (what's your name man) alley.
:neverusethis: :neverusethis: :neverusethis:I've got faith 425 will find Marillion too long and that it drags and that gives me the edge :corn
The only thing that drags more is my EP for your roulette :biggrin: :corn
WOW; I only know one of those albums. I don't even know what all the albums are (from the covers).Marbles damn well better win!
Who sent "Marbles"? They're going to win. :)
I've got faith 425 will find Marillion too long and that it drags and that gives me the edge :corn
The only thing that drags more is the time you take to submit for these roulettes. :biggrin: :corn
WTF someone else in this thread listens to Witherfall? I'm stumped there. romdrums?
WOW; I only know one of those albums. I don't even know what all the albums are (from the covers).Marbles damn well better win!
Who sent "Marbles"? They're going to win. :)
I thought about sending Afraid of Sunlight, but went with Voyager. We'll see how that plays.
It'll be a shame if 425 gives up on PoS before listening to Remedy Lane.
Mora is great. I used to be Mora everywhere on the internet, think this is the last place where I am still using that :)Elite vs. Cyril - this might be the final straw re: 425 and PoS. they are stronger if you listen to albums, but I don't think it will be quite up 425's (what's your name man) alley.
My name's Sam! Do you prefer Mora, or is there another name I should use?
I think this will most likely be a decisive experience with PoS one way or the other. Either they'll win me here or I'm pretty much going to give up.
I've also never been able to get into Pain Of Salvation. I thought their new album was going to tip me over, but I ended up having pretty mixed feelings about it when all is said and done.
man so many of y'all don't have Emotions you should go perform The Human Equation on yourselves
Your mileage may vary, but the way Daniel Gildenlow expresses his emotions comes off as overwrought and unauthentic, like's he's trying too hard. He also comes off as a one-upper, like, we are all dealing with some complex stuff in our lives, but his is more complex than ours, and he's going to beat you over the head with it. That's not something I jibe with, at all.
You guys are off your rockers.Your mileage may vary, but the way Daniel Gildenlow expresses his emotions comes off as overwrought and unauthentic, like's he's trying too hard. He also comes off as a one-upper, like, we are all dealing with some complex stuff in our lives, but his is more complex than ours, and he's going to beat you over the head with it. That's not something I jibe with, at all.
You fucking nailed it
No, but I do love Dream Theatre.:splodetard:
Buddyhunter1 vs. The Walrus - man I wish you'd have sent Number Seven because I think 425 will say Doomsday Afternoon drags, but I still think he'll like it more than Voyager
I would have sent Snowtorch.Buddyhunter1 vs. The Walrus - man I wish you'd have sent Number Seven because I think 425 will say Doomsday Afternoon drags, but I still think he'll like it more than Voyager
I really don't like Number Seven anywhere near as much as Doomsday Afternoon. I guess the middle of it (Thank You For The Evil, A Wasteland Of Memories) is a bit slow but apart from that it's got an excellent flow. And at least I didn't send Infernal. :lol
Why don't you actually listen to the album, Walrus :lol
Marillion - Sugar Mice
I had, of course, previously heard of Marillion and had heard this mentioned as one of the best songs from the band and even of its genre. Shamefully, I had not given it a pass until now. Fortunately, this submission has corrected that.
This song pairs its absolutely devastating lyrics with a very good musical approach to create a really emotionally powerful piece the likes of which you really are not likely to hear in this style (at least, in my opinion). On the surface, this song doesn’t seem that notable, but it really is. The vocal melodies are really excellent. The playing is fantastic, just a cut above. I’d known Pete Trewavas from Transatlantic, so I knew to listen for excellent bass playing, and I wasn’t disappointed.
But ultimately, this song is about the lyrical message. Which is just devastating. This is a very sad song indeed, and the music (particularly the singing) captures the sense of regret portrayed in the lyrics extremely well. “Your daddy took a rain check.” Wow.
Score: 8.5
Pain of Salvation - Undertow
Another band that I probably should have checked out by now, but hadn’t yet. And another band that I’m learning I should have checked out.
This song builds a really great vibe in its first couple of minutes. The guitar playing and the synths/keys set the scene in a really compelling fashion. Daniel Gildenlöw’s singing is really nice. His voice is soft with just the right amount of roughness to fit with the emotion of the piece.
The crescendo is probably the best part of the song. Gildenlöw’s voice becomes really outstanding on the climax of the song. He builds a great deal of emotional power and makes the song feel as desperate as it does. “Let me drain! Let me die!” And then the ending brings it full-circle quite nicely. This is quite a good piece and one that has definitely encouraged me to give Pain of Salvation a look.
Score: 8.5
Phideaux - The Claws of a Crayfish
This is really an unusual song that stands out a bit even in a round of fairly unusual songs. I suppose part of it is that it’s a part of a concept album, but to its credit, it really does stand on its own as a little epic.
What really jumps out about this piece to me is the multi-instrumental nature of it. There’s a lot going on, musically, with string sections and saxophone players accompanying the traditional prog-rock instrumentation. The piano player may be the standout musician, though its hard to point one person out when so many musicians must have been involved in coming together to make such a seamless-sounding piece of music. The singer is a bit unusual-sounding, very high-pitched, but his voice is quite pretty.
This is a song that I could still get more out of with several more listens, and I’m sure I will also enjoy unpacking the whole concept album. I really enjoy quite a bit the way that the song goes through so many different sections and brings in so many different instruments in a very short running time. Definitely an artist to look into.
Score: 8.5
Ulver starts things off with Eos. Which is spectacular. It’s a very quiet opener, featuring a keyboard and vocal dominated soundscape. I really love the sad atmosphere, which is perfectly captured by the album artwork. The vocals here are perhaps the most spectacular part of the whole piece. The singer’s deep voice brings a lot to the overall atmosphere of this song. This song is really excellent and resonnates a lot with me emotionally. My favorite of this EP and probably my favorite of the entire round.
Glen Hansard - Bird of Sorrow
Every time I come back to this song, it seems, I remember again how good it is. When I’m not listening to it, I find myself doubting that it deserves to get massive marks. Probably why I’ve made noises in the thread to the effect that no one will get anything near a perfect score in this round—I keep forgetting just how good this song is.
Obviously the piano and subtle guitar are important to the atmosphere of this song, but the real strength is in his voice and the vocal melodies. These melodies just flow—each one into the next on the chorus. It’s a really incredible thing, the way each one perfectly follows into the next one. His voice is just perfectly suited to the song and it’s really very good how he transitions from the quieter early verses to the loud, wails of “I’m not leaving” “I’m hanging on” in the climax of this song.
This is a really, really good song. Well composed, amazingly performed, and tearjerking, really. As I think everyone has said already, which is why I don’t feel the need to write volumes about this one. This is definitely the best song of the roulette thus far. I guess the only thing left is, will I be hitting those one and five keys [the maximum score in this roulette was 15]?
The Mars Volta - Son et lumiere/Inertiatic ESP
Snippet: I'm not really a fan of the lyrics on this one, so it's a question of how much they detract from some pretty enjoyable instrumentation.
I’ve heard a lot about The Mars Volta, but I don’t think I had ever listened to one of their songs. My first reaction was one of surprise—I don’t know what I had expected, but it wasn’t anything as melodic or dynamic as this. The vocal melodies are quite good, especially on the first verse, and chorus riff is memorable.
Now, as for what I didn’t like: For one thing, I did not particularly enjoy the quiet part at the end, from the last verse to the end of the song. There were some elements of dissonance introduced there that I wasn’t keen on.
But my far more significant complaint was indicated in my snippet: the lyrics. I do not like lyrics that talk about morbid and disgusting things. I don’t care if there’s some artistic effect they are meant to achieve—they just make me feel gross. And that’s how the lyrics of this song make me feel.
The music here is mostly good, and would probably be worthy of at least a 7. But one of the tests I’m using in scoring this roulette is how likely I am to come back to this song, and whether the song makes me want to hear more from this artist. The dissonant stuff and the lyrics push this one down by that standard.
Score: 6 out of 10
Marillion - Neverland
Snippet: I enjoy this song a lot. But I do feel like there's so much to digest that I couldn't fully get it all in the context of a roulette round.
My experience with Marillion is positive, but it is limited to having received Sugar Mice in my v1 and enjoyed it. This was, of course, a song from a much later era of Marillion, but it was no less enjoyable experience—and one that showed me that this band is capable of a long, proggier composition.
The instrumentation here just works for me. It’s skillful without being overplayed, the guitar tones are nice, and there’s a nice diversity in instrumentation (acoustic and electric guitar, piano, keyboard and some nice prominent bass). The vocals are pretty nice, too. The singer hits all the emotional notes, and his voice fits with the music.
My one regret with this one is that, as the snippet suggests, there is so much here that I don’t think I was able to take all of it in. I think this is the potential downside of sending a long, multifaceted song. I don’t think you’ll be unhappy with this score, just as I am certainly not unhappy with this song but I can see it growing more down the road as I give it more time and more listens.
Even though this is long, and it’s one of those songs that feels as long as it is, it does not feel at any point unjustified. It really sprawls out and works with the full 12 minutes to achieve a really nice effect. I guessed it was the last song on the album before I even looked up, and I’m sure it’s great in that capacity. This has definitely motivated me to more fully investigate Marillion.
Score: 8 out of 10
Witherfall - What We Are Dying For
Snippet: The acoustic guitar work is the most impressive part of this one.
Off the bat, this song kind of worried me a little bit. I am not really a fan of thrash metal, and I don’t really enjoy songs that just build up a lot of fast, heavy riffs with fairly generic vocal melodies.
This is, fortunately, not that sort of song. Sure, there is the speed metal part that takes up the first several minutes of the song, and it is indeed my least favorite part of the song. But it avoids being too generic, and it works as part of the whole piece.
I really find it interesting that this one starts out going as hard and heavy as it ever does, and then gradually slows things down into a clean guitar section. It’s the reverse of the kind of build-up that is enjoyable but typical of the genre. And this section really is the highlight for me, because the acoustic guitar work is really very interesting here—far removed from the kind of generic strumming you could imagine if they just did an acoustic part for the sake of it.
As a bonus, between the two metal parts and the nice acoustic middle, I feel like this song gets a lot done in less than seven minutes. I always like it when that happens.
Score: 7.5 out of 10
Sieges Even - Unbreakable
Snippet: There are some great vocal harmonies on this one. There's just one small section of instrumentation that I'm not crazy about.
I don’t know exactly how I would categorize this song, except that I would categorize it as something that I like. Even though this is a metal band, they use the metal elements selectively and for color. Instead, the emphasis is on some sparkling clean guitar work and emotive vocals. The vocal harmonies are a highlight here, adding to the emotional power of the singing.
The only section that I outright like here is the high pitched guitar/keyboard parts in the middle of the song [this sentence confuses me; maybe this was the only section I *didn't* outright like? sorry, don't know anymore]. But, in the final analysis, it doesn’t detract heavily from my overall enjoyment of the song. Overall, I do think the song is noticeably stronger on the vocal parts than on the instrumentals, but many of those instrumental section do their task perfectly well. This is an enjoyable track.
Score: 7.5 out of 10
Ulver - Nowhere (Sweet Sixteen)
I didn't know there was such a thing as live Zantera/Sacul music! But here it is, nonetheless.
This is a piece that really goes for a depressing, spacey vibe, especially on the chorus, where ominous, deep vocals (alternating with high, wailing ones) repeat the refrain "Nowhere... catastrophe."
This style of music, I've made no secret, is not my bread and butter. But this is a well-executed piece that I have come to enjoy pretty well. There's enough of a melodic sensibility to keep me hooked, and the vibe is quite compelling.
Score 8 out of 10
Pain of Salvation - Handful of Nothing
Snippet: I can respect what they’re doing here and can almost feel what they’re reaching for... but like other things I've heard from them, I'm just not quite feeling it yet.
Yeah, so Pain of Salvation is a band that I've heard a few songs from, and my view of all of them is that they are technically pretty good, but I just don't quite feel them.
My assessment here is somewhat more positive. I think it helps that this is a live performance. Gildenlöw's vocal acrobatics are more obviously impressive, given that he's capable of carrying off this diversity in a live setting, and the whole thing is a bit looser and more lively.
The song has a nice diversity of elements, and it's one where all the pieces feel pretty strong. The chorus really anchors it. That plus a strong performance leads to a nice score.
Score: 8 out of 10
I would describe this EP as really consistent in both style and quality. Everything here is more-or-less straightfoward prog metal, and all the songs range from pretty solid to quite good.
This does not mean there is no sense of variety here. There really is, which is a very good thing. Despite the songs coming from the same basic style, each one has its own identity, which prevents the EP from sounding too same-y. The flow from each song into the next is also strong. This all adds up to a pretty enjoyable listening experience.
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Song ranking:
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5. Voyager - To the Riverside (7.5)
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7. Voyager - Ghost Mile (7.5)
Ultimately, the success of this EP hangs on the success or failure of the Big Big Train song [Curator of Butterflies], in more ways than one. Because while I find the concept interesting and the songs good, the mood is rather gloomier than I would like to follow for a long period of time. So the finale needs not only to break the pattern of declines, but also give some brightness to the close of the EP.
So, does it succeed? I kind of don’t know? Sort of? I do like it, and I do think it is a better song than the preceding two—there’s actually a lot of good stuff going on here musically. But I don’t find it to be the hopeful ending I would have wanted (indeed, the written concept does not have a hopeful ending). There’s something about it that actually bothers me, though I find I have a hard time describing it. There’s something I find unsatisfying about this ending. And that kind of ends up being generalized to a feel about the EP as a whole.
The Voyager track [Sober] was a pleasant surprise. I really overlooked it the first few times and grouped it with the prior two into a trio of bleak songs that I didn’t much care for, but on further listens I’m really hearing a lot of creative depth here. The dynamics just feel like they work effortlessly, but they’re actually bolstered by nice subtle work from the keyboard player and vocalist. This, along with the Arcade Fire songs, is the other highlight of the EP.
Soen - Lotus
Impression: The adjective that comes to mind for this one is “smooth.” From the subtle guitar work to the vocal melodies to the singer’s emotional delivery, the whole thing just feels so smooth. I’m into it.
I think I’ve said it as best as I can already in the impression. This song is so smooth, and I love it. There’s a ton of emotion in this one, carried out through precise and beautifully executed guitar and vocal work.
This is one of those songs that doesn’t try to reinvent the wheel or do anything too far out of the ordinary, but does an expected thing unexpectedly well. Every note is in the right place, and the experience is excellent all the way through. A very well-crafted piece of music.
Score: 9.0 out of 10.
Why don't you actually listen to the album, Walrus :lol
Someone's gotta be in Voyager's corner :lol
okay yeah RIP to TMV then based on that previous score haha :rollin
Yeah, I guess I kind of forgot about that when I decided to send Soen.Hope he likes the cool swingy jazz fusion kinda stuff at least :neverusethis:
I really struggle to describe exactly what I mean when I talk about this, because it would just not be accurate to say that I only or even mainly like happy music. There are certain types of unhappy music that I have a hard time with. It's not a fully adequate description, but the type that gives off the feeling that there's no point to life at all, that life is inevitably miserable or painful, is one of the major types that I will have a very hard time with. The kind of sadness that has more of a quality of numbness and futility to it rather than the kind that has more of a quality of grand tragedy.So like, Nihilism?
That's a really imprecise description, but I really want to convey what I mean here, so I'm going to keep trying.
I really struggle to describe exactly what I mean when I talk about this, because it would just not be accurate to say that I only or even mainly like happy music. There are certain types of unhappy music that I have a hard time with. It's not a fully adequate description, but the type that gives off the feeling that there's no point to life at all, that life is inevitably miserable or painful, is one of the major types that I will have a very hard time with. The kind of sadness that has more of a quality of numbness and futility to it rather than the kind that has more of a quality of grand tragedy.So like, Nihilism?
That's a really imprecise description, but I really want to convey what I mean here, so I'm going to keep trying.
I really struggle to describe exactly what I mean when I talk about this, because it would just not be accurate to say that I only or even mainly like happy music. There are certain types of unhappy music that I have a hard time with. It's not a fully adequate description, but the type that gives off the feeling that there's no point to life at all, that life is inevitably miserable or painful, is one of the major types that I will have a very hard time with. The kind of sadness that has more of a quality of numbness and futility to it rather than the kind that has more of a quality of grand tragedy.So like, Nihilism?
That's a really imprecise description, but I really want to convey what I mean here, so I'm going to keep trying.
Acceptable depressing: Steven Wilson
Non-acceptable depressing: Have A Nice Life
I do not agree with that at all. I mean, I'm a fan of Evergrey and Need :lol
I hope Marbles goes over well then.....It's a bit of a rollercoaster ride lyrically. It isn't a concept album exactly, but it also kind of is.....sort of. Or more maybe thematic in nature. It does end on a more hopeful note with Neverland though.
So like, Nihilism?
Acceptable depressing: Steven Wilson
Non-acceptable depressing: Have A Nice Life
See, Steven Wilson/PT is who I was thinking of with 425’s description. That’s been a hang up for me with his music for sure.
I do not agree with that at all. I mean, I'm a fan of Evergrey and Need :lol
The 1 disc version doesn't exist.....change my mind... :biggrin:I hope Marbles goes over well then.....It's a bit of a rollercoaster ride lyrically. It isn't a concept album exactly, but it also kind of is.....sort of. Or more maybe thematic in nature. It does end on a more hopeful note with Neverland though.
Did you send the 1 disc version or the 2 disc version? I have both, and I think the 2-disc version is miles better. The added songs really complete the experience, and the revised running order puts a whole different spin on the whole thing. Marbles is a masterpiece, and I think it's some of the most inspired work they've ever done. I've never really thought of it as hopeless, because even in the darkest lyrics (Invisible Man, The Only Unforgivable Thing, Ocean Cloud) there is a ray of light. It is an emotional rollercoaster, especially lyrically, but I think it pays off beautifully.
The 1 disc version doesn't exist.....change my mind... :biggrin:I hope Marbles goes over well then.....It's a bit of a rollercoaster ride lyrically. It isn't a concept album exactly, but it also kind of is.....sort of. Or more maybe thematic in nature. It does end on a more hopeful note with Neverland though.
Did you send the 1 disc version or the 2 disc version? I have both, and I think the 2-disc version is miles better. The added songs really complete the experience, and the revised running order puts a whole different spin on the whole thing. Marbles is a masterpiece, and I think it's some of the most inspired work they've ever done. I've never really thought of it as hopeless, because even in the darkest lyrics (Invisible Man, The Only Unforgivable Thing, Ocean Cloud) there is a ray of light. It is an emotional rollercoaster, especially lyrically, but I think it pays off beautifully.
The 1 disc version doesn't exist.....change my mind... :biggrin:I hope Marbles goes over well then.....It's a bit of a rollercoaster ride lyrically. It isn't a concept album exactly, but it also kind of is.....sort of. Or more maybe thematic in nature. It does end on a more hopeful note with Neverland though.
Did you send the 1 disc version or the 2 disc version? I have both, and I think the 2-disc version is miles better. The added songs really complete the experience, and the revised running order puts a whole different spin on the whole thing. Marbles is a masterpiece, and I think it's some of the most inspired work they've ever done. I've never really thought of it as hopeless, because even in the darkest lyrics (Invisible Man, The Only Unforgivable Thing, Ocean Cloud) there is a ray of light. It is an emotional rollercoaster, especially lyrically, but I think it pays off beautifully.
There are several people this round who could potentially be facing some heartache that maybe could have been avoided by following the guidance of the tastes section of the OP. This is most true for person who sent this album, which has parts I enjoy but also leans heavily into all sorts of things I specifically tried to say I don’t like.nah i actually don't really care if you hate the album because i send what i want without regrets & i'm gonna clean house in the other three rounds anyways so w/e
God I hope mine is the one about not reading the tastes section
I really like the instrumentation of this album, the texture of its sound. Still need more time to see how much I enjoy the compositions as I dig into them.
This whole thing is just so nice. That’s really the best word for it. Especially the big, sweeping melodies that feature on many of the tracks.[/i]
God I hope mine is the one about not reading the tastes section
Doubtful since I sent the same artist.
God I hope mine is the one about not reading the tastes section
Doubtful since I sent the same artist.
Please allow me to hate on myself :lol
That Sieges album is so f'ing goodYou're welcome :) :corn :metal
That Sieges album is so f'ing goodYou're welcome :) :corn :metal
That Sieges album is so f'ing goodYou're welcome :) :corn :metal
Too bad Spotify removed it right after you sent it to me LOL. One of these days I'll buy the CD.
I enjoy Subsignal to some extent, but they are really just a poor imitation of Sieges Even.That Sieges album is so f'ing goodYou're welcome :) :corn :metal
Too bad Spotify removed it right after you sent it to me LOL. One of these days I'll buy the CD.
Is this album better than anything from Subsignal? Because I bought The Beacons of Somewhere Sometime and I thought it was absolutely awful. The mix is terrible, and the songwriting was 70 plus minutes of aimless "meh". And, given that Subsignal seems to be the successor band to Sieges Even, it doesn't make me want to check them out.
Hey guys, quick update. Unfortunately, a loved one is going through a serious (though hopefully no longer life-threatening) medical crisis, and I might need to slow down roulette activities. Hopefully not too much or for too long, but I just thought I'd explain myself up front in case things take a bit longer.
well. i was wrong about that one, wasn't i. huh!
425, the three current roulettes are FUCKING CRAWLINGTHESE WOUNDS THAT WOULD NOT HEAL
425, the three current roulettes are FUCKING CRAWLING. Did I send for round 2 yet.
You have not sent yet.
The fact that I'm a live album afficionado and this roulette is open for live albums is giving me trouble I must say, I have twice as many things to think about now.
Among the shorter songs, I like Don’t Hurt Yourself best
Pretty fair comments, I think you'd enjoy Glen's previous work a lot more, like Rhythm and Repose, which is where Bird of Sorrow comes from. Well played, Puppies.
Your assessment of Marbles is basically how I felt after first hearing the album. The first disc was amazing and the second had some less than stellar songs. However after years of revisiting the album the second disc has fully opened up for me and I couldn't do without it. Granted you don't have the time in a roulette to listen to an album over several years, so your thoughts are understandable. Just don't give up on the second disc quite yet. Give it time.
That is good to know! Thank you for the guide.
It seems like their albums from TUY onward have been very well-received, while there are few reviews for the pre-TUY ones. Are those also worth looking into down the road?
Big Big Train didn't really click for me until Gathering Speed. Although English Boy Wonders has some good stuff on it. Bard did nothing for me though. Goodbye to the Age of Steam was kind of meh to me. Everything since Gathering Speed has been good to excellent though!That is good to know! Thank you for the guide.
It seems like their albums from TUY onward have been very well-received, while there are few reviews for the pre-TUY ones. Are those also worth looking into down the road?
So TUY was the first album with singer David Longdon, as well as Dave Gregory on guitar, and they kind of took the band to another level (Nick D’Virgilio first appeared on the prior album The Difference Machine, but he also was a big part of the band’s transformation). They went from kind of a hobby project to a more serious band at that point. So there is a jump in the caliber of playing from the early albums.
But I love the first four albums too. They have a unique quality about them, and ultimately still feature the songwriting of Greg Spawton, the one constant in the band’s history. Original singer Martin Reed’s voice had a frail but really emotive quality that I really like. The debut, Goodbye to the Age of Steam is a well written but somewhat awkwardly produced album with some dated keyboard sounds. However, the next one, English Boy Wonders, is one of my favorite BBT albums altogether. It’s probably their most personal album lyric-wise.
The next two with Sean Filkins singing are really good too. Gathering Speed is sort of a concept album about the Battle of Britain, and The Difference Machine is more of a sci-fi themed concept album, but it has some really cool material. It featured NDV, Dave Meros, and Pete Trewevas, so the playing on that one is of a high quality. I’d say the production improved from album to album with each of the first four.
So I guess I’d say dig into the Longdon era first, but there is a lot to like about the early albums too, and I’d definitely recommend them.
Big Big Train didn't really click for me until Gathering Speed. Although English Boy Wonders has some good stuff on it. Bard did nothing for me though. Goodbye to the Age of Steam was kind of meh to me. Everything since Gathering Speed has been good to excellent though!That is good to know! Thank you for the guide.
It seems like their albums from TUY onward have been very well-received, while there are few reviews for the pre-TUY ones. Are those also worth looking into down the road?
So TUY was the first album with singer David Longdon, as well as Dave Gregory on guitar, and they kind of took the band to another level (Nick D’Virgilio first appeared on the prior album The Difference Machine, but he also was a big part of the band’s transformation). They went from kind of a hobby project to a more serious band at that point. So there is a jump in the caliber of playing from the early albums.
But I love the first four albums too. They have a unique quality about them, and ultimately still feature the songwriting of Greg Spawton, the one constant in the band’s history. Original singer Martin Reed’s voice had a frail but really emotive quality that I really like. The debut, Goodbye to the Age of Steam is a well written but somewhat awkwardly produced album with some dated keyboard sounds. However, the next one, English Boy Wonders, is one of my favorite BBT albums altogether. It’s probably their most personal album lyric-wise.
The next two with Sean Filkins singing are really good too. Gathering Speed is sort of a concept album about the Battle of Britain, and The Difference Machine is more of a sci-fi themed concept album, but it has some really cool material. It featured NDV, Dave Meros, and Pete Trewevas, so the playing on that one is of a high quality. I’d say the production improved from album to album with each of the first four.
So I guess I’d say dig into the Longdon era first, but there is a lot to like about the early albums too, and I’d definitely recommend them.
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i did :angel:
I think I know what I'm sending next round regardless of if I win or lose this one. It's not one of my favorites, but it's good and I wanna get the required artists out of the way before the pickings get even slimmer for artists I know and also wouldn't be suicide for this roulette :P
Better bring a fuckin harpoon, Sacul :biggrin:Am gonna beat your ass with some happy music :metal
Okay Sam so here's the thing, I'm on a business trip again until Saturday, and while I'll do my best to try and send you something, I usually don't have any free time during these. My flight back is on Saturday, so I'll send no later as Saturday evening GMT +3. I'll do my best to do it earlier but I just can't guarantee it at all.
How the hell did I end up with the last match-up twice in a row... this shit is wack :lol
Guess I'll try and hurry up with the sending so you can judge me and Buddyhunter first :xbones
Up against luke :lol let's make this the worst matchup ever! I'll send Ulver again if you bring The Mars Volta back!
no seriously, you're going down
Nooooo, Nattens madrigal is clearly the best Ulver album :neverusethis:Up against luke :lol let's make this the worst matchup ever! I'll send Ulver again if you bring The Mars Volta back!
no seriously, you're going down
We could swap, you send Frances the Mute, I'll send Shadows of the Sun (clearly the best Ulver album)
I bet it was mine wasn't it. Did Elite send it too? :lol
Might be me. And if it is, there's a chance Elite might send the same band as well. :lolI bet it was mine wasn't it. Did Elite send it too? :lol
Hmm... :corn
But seriously, Evermind, Saturday should be okay. I'll be able to schedule the listening so that everything still works.
Fun - Aim and IgniteProbably Param.....errrr....Cyril
it's been a year and a half by nowFun - Aim and IgniteProbably Param.....errrr....Cyril
VOLA - Applause of a Distant CrowdDon't worry, that's their worst album.
Also damn, I'm against Lonely Robot. Not liking my chances too much.
Yes, it is!
it's been a year and a half by nowFun - Aim and IgniteProbably Param.....errrr....Cyril
Yes, it is!
Knew it
Yes, it is!
Knew it
The Walrus sent VOLA :biggrin:
Funny thing is I'm guessing there was a non-zero chance Elite would have sent Inmazes too. :lol
VOLA - Applause of a Distant CrowdDon't worry, that's their worst album.
Also damn, I'm against Lonely Robot. Not liking my chances too much.
did elite send arcade fire
This is fair. I was just trying to kind of yank your chain. I like all their albums, although I am partial to Under Stars.VOLA - Applause of a Distant CrowdDon't worry, that's their worst album.
Also damn, I'm against Lonely Robot. Not liking my chances too much.
You know, if we're being honest about Lonely Robot, you really only need to hear one album to get what they're about. Every other album is just a variation on the same template as the first. Majority of the songs will be about 75-80 bpm, unless they're uptempo, in which case they're 150-160 bpm, and likely in Drop D. I mean, John Mitchell has a pretty defined style at this point. He's not exactly a musical chameleon. I think the first record is the best representation of his formula. :smiley:
This is fair. I was just trying to kind of yank your chain. I like all their albums, although I am partial to Under Stars.VOLA - Applause of a Distant CrowdDon't worry, that's their worst album.
Also damn, I'm against Lonely Robot. Not liking my chances too much.
You know, if we're being honest about Lonely Robot, you really only need to hear one album to get what they're about. Every other album is just a variation on the same template as the first. Majority of the songs will be about 75-80 bpm, unless they're uptempo, in which case they're 150-160 bpm, and likely in Drop D. I mean, John Mitchell has a pretty defined style at this point. He's not exactly a musical chameleon. I think the first record is the best representation of his formula. :smiley:
And I also love just about everything John Mitchell has been a part of, Arena, Kino, Blind Ego, Frost*, etc. However, I don't like It Bites. That band sucks! :biggrin:
Arcane - Known/LearnedThat's a fantastic album, but I would never send the whole thing in a roulette. Is that Evermind?
there's the other double album lol
Arcane - Known/Learned
there's the other double album lol
Arcane - Known/LearnedThat's a fantastic album, but I would never send the whole thing in a roulette. Is that Evermind?
there's the other double album lol
luke sent Stevie
Arcade Fire against Stevie Wonder is a cool matchup :)
I'm too lazy to check the other matchups right now.
try too hardDon't Try So Hard is a Queen song, so I win!
I need to put the roulette on indefinite hiatus. I've just lost someone very close to me. I'll come back when I can focus on music again. I don't know when that will be.Sorry to hear that. Be well. I'm sure all our thoughts are with you. :hug:
I'm not quite ready to resume this yet, but I do want to thank everyone for their kind words and condolences. The person I lost was my girlfriend, who passed away very unexpectedly. She was only 23.
The last month has been incredibly hard and I've found it difficult to listen to much music during that time. That has started to get better, so I'll probably be active on the forum again, but it will still be a few more weeks until I'm ready for the volume of listening that a roulette requires.