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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: WildRanger on October 28, 2020, 10:39:11 AM
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What do you think? Is it acceptable to you or not?
And do you personally know some couples who wanted to be children-free?
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Of course it's more than acceptable and frankly, it's about time that mankind accepts this simple truth.
Some people - be them women, or couples - don't want to have kids. That's fine. There will always be other couples who will want to have kids, we won't become extinct anytime soon.
"But kids are the greatest joy in life"... yeah, but some people don't want to have kids. "But you will regret it..." maybe, but some people don't want to have kids. "But how can you not want..." SOME - PEOPLE - DON'T - WANT - TO - HAVE - KIDS. Accept it and move on.
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yes
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God yes.
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I'd like to know the opinion of the person voting no.
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The answer is yes, but to expand on that. While having children is a great joy to see their smiles and all, there's a form of responsibility that parents has to hold to and there are just plenty of people out there that do not want that responsibility in that moment they do not want kids and that's ok.
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The answer is yes, but to expand on that. While having children is a great joy to see their smiles and all, there's a form of responsibility that parents has to hold to and there are just plenty of people out there that do not want that responsibility in that moment they do not want kids and that's ok.
I'll double on this and add that TOO MANY PEOPLE sadly don't understand they're not fit to take on that responsability.
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Anyone ever see the movie Idiocracy? The basis is that the smart people realize they don't want kids but the dumb people keep producing so the world changes to become really really stupid. It often feels like reality where many stupid people don't realize how hard it is to raise kids and they are the ones who have the most.
Here's the opening scene that explains the premise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP2tUW0HDHA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP2tUW0HDHA) :lol it's a really funny movie
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Anyone ever see the movie Idiocracy? The basis is that the smart people realize they don't want kids but the dumb people keep producing so the world changes to become really really stupid. It often feels like reality where many stupid people don't realize how hard it is to raise kids and they are the ones who have the most.
Here's the opening scene that explains the premise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP2tUW0HDHA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP2tUW0HDHA) :lol it's a really funny movie
Might seem this way, but it's impossible to have more than one kid and not realize how hard they are. Those parents probably aren't stupid, it just looks like that from the outside as the childrearing has likely fried their brains.
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Anyone ever see the movie Idiocracy? The basis is that the smart people realize they don't want kids but the dumb people keep producing so the world changes to become really really stupid. It often feels like reality where many stupid people don't realize how hard it is to raise kids and they are the ones who have the most.
Here's the opening scene that explains the premise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP2tUW0HDHA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP2tUW0HDHA) :lol it's a really funny movie
Correction: it WAS a funny movie. Now it's just a eerie reminder of where our society is headed.
But President Camacho would have been a better one than #45 - he actually sought an expert in times of crisis and listened to his advice :lol
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I'd like to know the opinion of the person voting no.
Seconded.
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Why would my opinion on somebody's own choice even matter?
so:
yes
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Anyone ever see the movie Idiocracy? The basis is that the smart people realize they don't want kids but the dumb people keep producing so the world changes to become really really stupid. It often feels like reality where many stupid people don't realize how hard it is to raise kids and they are the ones who have the most.
Here's the opening scene that explains the premise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP2tUW0HDHA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP2tUW0HDHA) :lol it's a really funny movie
Might seem this way, but it's impossible to have more than one kid and not realize how hard they are. Those parents probably aren't stupid, it just looks like that from the outside as the childrearing has likely fried their brains.
Sure if you are committed to the family, but lots of people sadly are not which is more of what I was referring to as the "dumb people" because they have babies and don't live up to the commitment of being a father, but will go off and do it again.
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OK, my answer on this may seem a little weird, but yes, of course it's perfectly fine if someone doesn't want to have children. I have a 33-year-old son and two grandchildren but if I'd had my way he wouldn't exist. I was a much, much different person back then and I was in no shape to handle being a parent. And, in the end, I never really was a parent to him because I was not a part of his life until he became an adult. Why and how that all unfolded the way it did is a story for another day. Now, today, as a 56 year old grandpa I am thrilled that I have a son and a granddaughter and a grandson, but they exist only because the rubber broke and that's no joke. That's how she got knocked up and no matter how hard I tried to talk her into ending the pregnancy she wanted to keep it so that's what she did. She raised him, I supported him financially until he was 23 and he joined the Navy. He got out of the Navy and now he's a parole officer. :lol What are the odds? :rollin
I think a lot of people who have no business having kids are mostly the ones having kids, unfortunately. Kids having kids. I have a 30 year old niece who has a 17 year old daughter. Nope, that's not a typo. Like I said, kids having kids. That's never a good idea and it almost always ends in a maladjusted, dysfunctional kid who grows up to be a terrible parent and the cycle just keeps on going. I'm now watching the 3rd generation of my wife's extended family kill themselves with heroin and meth. All we can do is watch it unfold and pick up the pieces when they eventually go to jail. The "pieces" being all of my great nieces and nephews whose completely fucked-up parents would rather smoke crack and spend the night crawling around on the carpet doing the pebble patrol than you know, like, feeding their kids.
I see way too much of this up close and it's tragic. I think you should have to get a license or something to become a parent. Seriously.
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Is it OK if some people don't want to have kids?
What the hell kind of question is this?
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What do you think? Is it acceptable to you or not?
And do you personally know some couples who wanted to be children-free?
This is utterly absurd. Of course it's acceptable for folks not to want to have kids. In fact, there are lots of people who are too damn stupid to procreate.
I've known a guy who, since high school, hasn't wanted to have kids. He got a vasectomy in his early 20s. I'm not terribly close with him, but I see no indication that he regrets that decision.
I'd like to know the opinion of the person voting no.
+1
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Is it OK if some people don't want to have kids?
What the hell kind of question is this?
+1
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I think you should have to get a license or something to become a parent. Seriously.
I fully support the general and abstract concept of monitoring who is fit to be a parent and who is not. The problem is that there isn't, and there will never, ever, ever be, a just, rational, fair and humane method to determine that. So it's impossible to implement any kind of "license" about it. But it would be nice to have one.
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Is it OK if some people don't want to have kids?
What the hell kind of question is this?
See, Freewill is those who don't want kids.
Red Barchetta is made to transport a family of 4.
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I think you should have to get a license or something to become a parent. Seriously.
I fully support the general and abstract concept of monitoring who is fit to be a parent and who is not. The problem is that there isn't, and there will never, ever, ever be, a just, rational, fair and humane method to determine that. So it's impossible to implement any kind of "license" about it. But it would be nice to have one.
Yea, it's a nice idea but backfires in the face of my belief in personal freedoms.
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I think you should have to get a license or something to become a parent. Seriously.
I fully support the general and abstract concept of monitoring who is fit to be a parent and who is not. The problem is that there isn't, and there will never, ever, ever be, a just, rational, fair and humane method to determine that. So it's impossible to implement any kind of "license" about it. But it would be nice to have one.
Yup.
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Is it acceptable to you or not?
By the way: 'acceptable' !? What the fuck? Are you even serious? :lol
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Sure it's OK. I used to think this would be my path. Now I want to have many kids (maybe seven minimum). I do think people can "know" they never want kids one year, then "know" they want kids the next.
Also, the govt should stay the f--- out of people's personal family decisions (whom to marry, how many kids to have, how many people to marry, everything!).
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I take offence at this thread.
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Anyone ever see the movie Idiocracy? The basis is that the smart people realize they don't want kids but the dumb people keep producing so the world changes to become really really stupid. It often feels like reality where many stupid people don't realize how hard it is to raise kids and they are the ones who have the most.
Here's the opening scene that explains the premise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP2tUW0HDHA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP2tUW0HDHA) :lol it's a really funny movie
Yes have seen it and sadly I think it's slowly becoming a reality.
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I'd like to know the opinion of the person voting no.
I want it clear it was NOT me. :) :) :)
I do maintain though that for better or worse it's the person's prerogative to decide. If they can have an abortion, they can decide to keep it, too. I don't support any government intervention in that. If you can vote, you can fuck, is how I see it.
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I think you should have to get a license or something to become a parent. Seriously.
I fully support the general and abstract concept of monitoring who is fit to be a parent and who is not. The problem is that there isn't, and there will never, ever, ever be, a just, rational, fair and humane method to determine that. So it's impossible to implement any kind of "license" about it. But it would be nice to have one.
Absolutely. If this were the case, there would be a LOT less people in the world.
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I wanted kids on principle, but as life went on I saw how much easier it is to be kid free. Saves A LOT less money and hassle. I've been a cat daddy for many years, that's fine with me.
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Yes, of course. Why wouldn't it be ok and who has the right to say no it's not ok? I think the OP just likes to post meaningless crap in order to sit back and watch the fallout of annoyed forum members. :\
I'd like to know the opinion of the person voting no.
Yeah, me too. It's probably someone who should not have reproduced. :lol
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I wanted kids on principle, but as life went on I saw how much easier it is to be kid free. Saves A LOT less money and hassle. I've been a cat daddy for many years, that's fine with me.
Cat Daddies unite! Almost all my friends have a child or two now. They all say it's the best thing in the world. Yet, they also say they are jealous of my single life at the same time. I don't think there's a right or wrong here, just got to be yourself and if that means having children, so be it, and if that means no kids, so be it.
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My outlook on life is pretty twisted and bleak, but I just really would feel horrible and selfish bringing life into this cruel, fucked up, cesspool of a world. It just wouldn't be fair.
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My outlook on life is pretty twisted and bleak, but I just really would feel horrible and selfish bringing life into this cruel, fucked up, cesspool of a world. It just wouldn't be fair.
100% the same, buddy. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for my friends who are now raising babies or have kids going into school... but fuck, man. The world is screwed up in so many ways, and there's just no way I could bring a kid into it, personally. More power to those that can.
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Is it okay? Frankly it should be encouraged. I consider myself pretty eco minded, and while I take recycling home from work to make sure it is recycled properly, buy my power from a company that deals in 100% wind energy, and then power an electric car with some of that energy none of that has nearly the same environmental impact as our decision not to have children.
I'm not saying this to come out against those who have kids or want them, but as a society in our laws (via benefits for having kids throughout multiple areas) and just in general we need to stop glorifying and rewarding having children. We're centuries past the point where the primal reasons for that desire needs to be reflected in everything for our survival.
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My outlook on life is pretty twisted and bleak, but I just really would feel horrible and selfish bringing life into this cruel, fucked up, cesspool of a world. It just wouldn't be fair.
100% the same, buddy. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for my friends who are now raising babies or have kids going into school... but fuck, man. The world is screwed up in so many ways, and there's just no way I could bring a kid into it, personally. More power to those that can.
It's good to know there's others out there with the same outlook. The world is getting worse so if I had a kid and when they turn my age, who knows how much worse this place will be.
The sacrifice for it though has been as you say, all old friends of mine have kids also so as time goes by, we don't connect as much. I knows others do as their kids go to the same school or if they are younger have play dates and shit and unfortunately it feels like I have less in common because I don't have kids. Still not something I'd change my decision for but I guess there's pros and cons of both sides. The amount of money I've saved and the easy lifestyle I live, others with kids would fucking kill for.
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My outlook on life is pretty twisted and bleak, but I just really would feel horrible and selfish bringing life into this cruel, fucked up, cesspool of a world. It just wouldn't be fair.
THIS IS NOT ARGUMENT.
But I'd love to talk that over sometime. I get the concept/idea, but I'm of two minds. I know for me, it was purely selfish, I wanted to pass on my stellar genes it wasn't really conscious. I waited until I was 33 before I had my daughter, and it was all those things that you hear - best thing ever, changed my life, etc. etc. - but I also lived enough as an adult that I totally see the opposite. SO MUCH of my life would be different if I didn't have a kid. I'd've lived overseas for sure, I would have moved more for work, I would have been divorced a LOT earlier, I'd be significantly more wealthy, etc. But FOR ME, I am a more compassionate, understanding person, I'm a better man and partner, and I'm a more SOBER man for having a kid. At the end of the day, I am proud of how my daughter, even at the tender age of 19, is doing her part to make the world a better place than how she found it.
Again, don't take this for argument; I get you, and I support your position 1000% (the right to have it). I'm really just offering a point of view and with that, suggesting pretty strongly that it IS a personal decision, and the rationale, at the end of the day, doesn't really matter and neither point of view really ought to be "encouraged" except to equalize them.
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Is it okay? Frankly it should be encouraged. I consider myself pretty eco minded, and while I take recycling home from work to make sure it is recycled properly, buy my power from a company that deals in 100% wind energy, and then power an electric car with some of that energy none of that has nearly the same environmental impact as our decision not to have children.
I'm not saying this to come out against those who have kids or want them, but as a society in our laws (via benefits for having kids throughout multiple areas) and just in general we need to stop glorifying and rewarding having children. We're centuries past the point where the primal reasons for that desire needs to be reflected in everything for our survival.
In Australia, the government give 'baby bonuses'. When it came out I seriously think the dumbfuck side of society were having a kid to get free money. The benefits they give out over here is crazy and the more kids you have, the more benefits you get. It's fucking atrocious.
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My outlook on life is pretty twisted and bleak, but I just really would feel horrible and selfish bringing life into this cruel, fucked up, cesspool of a world. It just wouldn't be fair.
100% the same, buddy. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for my friends who are now raising babies or have kids going into school... but fuck, man. The world is screwed up in so many ways, and there's just no way I could bring a kid into it, personally. More power to those that can.
There's a huge part of me that also feels this way, but I don't think this is anything new really. I feel like every generation probably thought the next was going down hill. I don't know, as much as I feel this way, I don't think this is nearly as big of a reason for me personally to not have kids, but I definitely think about this a lot. Specifically in the case of my nieces as they are really the only children that I deeply care about.
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I've actually seen an argument from a hardcore Catholic that intentional childlessness was as great a sin as abortion (never mind that nobody cared about abortion until 40-50 years ago...), so this thread actually doesn't seem quite as [ahem] "wild" to me as it does to some others.
That said, of course it should be ok. My parents were utterly unfit to have kids and at least one of them didn't want it (and the other wanted it for the wrong reasons), and I paid and continue to pay a very high price for that...
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I've actually seen an argument from a hardcore Catholic that intentional childlessness was as great a sin as abortion (never mind that nobody cared about abortion until 40-50 years ago...), so this thread actually doesn't seem quite as [ahem] "wild" to me as it does to some others.
That said, of course it should be ok. My parents were utterly unfit to have kids and at least one of them didn't want it (and the other wanted it for the wrong reasons), and I paid and continue to pay a very high price for that...
Unfit parents who have kids never take the children into consideration. They are the ones that ultimately suffer.
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My outlook on life is pretty twisted and bleak, but I just really would feel horrible and selfish bringing life into this cruel, fucked up, cesspool of a world. It just wouldn't be fair.
100% the same, buddy. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for my friends who are now raising babies or have kids going into school... but fuck, man. The world is screwed up in so many ways, and there's just no way I could bring a kid into it, personally. More power to those that can.
There's a huge part of me that also feels this way, but I don't think this is anything new really. I feel like every generation probably thought the next was going down hill. I don't know, as much as I feel this way, I don't think this is nearly as big of a reason for me personally to not have kids, but I definitely think about this a lot. Specifically in the case of my nieces as they are really the only children that I deeply care about.
Well, I just want to clarify I don't believe each successive generation is making the world worse than the next or anything like that, I just think our world is a fucking nightmare. Also, I can barely take care of myself, that's kind of important too :lol :lol
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My outlook on life is pretty twisted and bleak, but I just really would feel horrible and selfish bringing life into this cruel, fucked up, cesspool of a world. It just wouldn't be fair.
THIS IS NOT ARGUMENT.
But I'd love to talk that over sometime. I get the concept/idea, but I'm of two minds. I know for me, it was purely selfish, I wanted to pass on my stellar genes it wasn't really conscious. I waited until I was 33 before I had my daughter, and it was all those things that you hear - best thing ever, changed my life, etc. etc. - but I also lived enough as an adult that I totally see the opposite. SO MUCH of my life would be different if I didn't have a kid. I'd've lived overseas for sure, I would have moved more for work, I would have been divorced a LOT earlier, I'd be significantly more wealthy, etc. But FOR ME, I am a more compassionate, understanding person, I'm a better man and partner, and I'm a more SOBER man for having a kid. At the end of the day, I am proud of how my daughter, even at the tender age of 19, is doing her part to make the world a better place than how she found it.
Again, don't take this for argument; I get you, and I support your position 1000% (the right to have it). I'm really just offering a point of view and with that, suggesting pretty strongly that it IS a personal decision, and the rationale, at the end of the day, doesn't really matter and neither point of view really ought to be "encouraged" except to equalize them.
No that's fine mate. All points of view should be looked at and talked about. I agree, neither view should be encouraged. I do get sick of the surprised response still to this day with my point of view of not having kids. I would never encourage it on anyone though.
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My outlook on life is pretty twisted and bleak, but I just really would feel horrible and selfish bringing life into this cruel, fucked up, cesspool of a world. It just wouldn't be fair.
100% the same, buddy. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for my friends who are now raising babies or have kids going into school... but fuck, man. The world is screwed up in so many ways, and there's just no way I could bring a kid into it, personally. More power to those that can.
There's a huge part of me that also feels this way, but I don't think this is anything new really. I feel like every generation probably thought the next was going down hill. I don't know, as much as I feel this way, I don't think this is nearly as big of a reason for me personally to not have kids, but I definitely think about this a lot. Specifically in the case of my nieces as they are really the only children that I deeply care about.
Well, I just want to clarify I don't believe each successive generation is making the world worse than the next or anything like that, I just think our world is a fucking nightmare. Also, I can barely take care of myself, that's kind of important too :lol :lol
I struggle finding motivation in doing the basics. Making and going to appointments, paying bills, buying new shit for the house. :lol it drains me and can't see how I would ever have the want or energy to look after and raise another human being.
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My outlook on life is pretty twisted and bleak, but I just really would feel horrible and selfish bringing life into this cruel, fucked up, cesspool of a world. It just wouldn't be fair.
100% the same, buddy. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for my friends who are now raising babies or have kids going into school... but fuck, man. The world is screwed up in so many ways, and there's just no way I could bring a kid into it, personally. More power to those that can.
There's a huge part of me that also feels this way, but I don't think this is anything new really. I feel like every generation probably thought the next was going down hill. I don't know, as much as I feel this way, I don't think this is nearly as big of a reason for me personally to not have kids, but I definitely think about this a lot. Specifically in the case of my nieces as they are really the only children that I deeply care about.
Well, I just want to clarify I don't believe each successive generation is making the world worse than the next or anything like that, I just think our world is a fucking nightmare. Also, I can barely take care of myself, that's kind of important too :lol :lol
I struggle finding motivation in doing the basics. Making and going to appointments, paying bills, buying new shit for the house. :lol it drains me and can't see how I would ever have the want or energy to look after and raise another human being.
Kade, you and I would get along quite well sitting at the bar bitching about kids and other things! :lol :lol
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My outlook on life is pretty twisted and bleak, but I just really would feel horrible and selfish bringing life into this cruel, fucked up, cesspool of a world. It just wouldn't be fair.
100% the same, buddy. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for my friends who are now raising babies or have kids going into school... but fuck, man. The world is screwed up in so many ways, and there's just no way I could bring a kid into it, personally. More power to those that can.
There's a huge part of me that also feels this way, but I don't think this is anything new really. I feel like every generation probably thought the next was going down hill. I don't know, as much as I feel this way, I don't think this is nearly as big of a reason for me personally to not have kids, but I definitely think about this a lot. Specifically in the case of my nieces as they are really the only children that I deeply care about.
Well, I just want to clarify I don't believe each successive generation is making the world worse than the next or anything like that, I just think our world is a fucking nightmare. Also, I can barely take care of myself, that's kind of important too :lol :lol
I struggle finding motivation in doing the basics. Making and going to appointments, paying bills, buying new shit for the house. :lol it drains me and can't see how I would ever have the want or energy to look after and raise another human being.
Run a little less? :biggrin: But yea, I'm with you. Life is hard enough for one person, the extra responsibilities of another is a huge burden.
I've actually seen an argument from a hardcore Catholic that intentional childlessness was as great a sin as abortion (never mind that nobody cared about abortion until 40-50 years ago...), so this thread actually doesn't seem quite as [ahem] "wild" to me as it does to some others.
That said, of course it should be ok. My parents were utterly unfit to have kids and at least one of them didn't want it (and the other wanted it for the wrong reasons), and I paid and continue to pay a very high price for that...
My parents are very religous but never really bring that up as a reason why they are upset about my decision. It's simply because the last name dies with me. (well I have a brother who is in a serious relationship so I don't know why I carry this burden alone, maybe being the oldest son?) But my response the last time he brought that up was to google or facebook our name (my dad and I have the same name) and see how many people will carry our name on :lol because while my full name isn't that common, there's certainly plenty of people out there with the same name.
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My outlook on life is pretty twisted and bleak, but I just really would feel horrible and selfish bringing life into this cruel, fucked up, cesspool of a world. It just wouldn't be fair.
100% the same, buddy. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for my friends who are now raising babies or have kids going into school... but fuck, man. The world is screwed up in so many ways, and there's just no way I could bring a kid into it, personally. More power to those that can.
There's a huge part of me that also feels this way, but I don't think this is anything new really. I feel like every generation probably thought the next was going down hill. I don't know, as much as I feel this way, I don't think this is nearly as big of a reason for me personally to not have kids, but I definitely think about this a lot. Specifically in the case of my nieces as they are really the only children that I deeply care about.
Well, I just want to clarify I don't believe each successive generation is making the world worse than the next or anything like that, I just think our world is a fucking nightmare. Also, I can barely take care of myself, that's kind of important too :lol :lol
I struggle finding motivation in doing the basics. Making and going to appointments, paying bills, buying new shit for the house. :lol it drains me and can't see how I would ever have the want or energy to look after and raise another human being.
Kade, you and I would get along quite well sitting at the bar bitching about kids and other things! :lol :lol
Haha, we'd be like the 2 old guys from the Muppets.
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My outlook on life is pretty twisted and bleak, but I just really would feel horrible and selfish bringing life into this cruel, fucked up, cesspool of a world. It just wouldn't be fair.
100% the same, buddy. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for my friends who are now raising babies or have kids going into school... but fuck, man. The world is screwed up in so many ways, and there's just no way I could bring a kid into it, personally. More power to those that can.
Is 1970 the better time for raising kids than 2020? What do you think?
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My outlook on life is pretty twisted and bleak, but I just really would feel horrible and selfish bringing life into this cruel, fucked up, cesspool of a world. It just wouldn't be fair.
100% the same, buddy. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for my friends who are now raising babies or have kids going into school... but fuck, man. The world is screwed up in so many ways, and there's just no way I could bring a kid into it, personally. More power to those that can.
Is 1970 the better time for raising kids than 2020? What do you think?
Objectively?
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Simple answer....Yes...
Complicated Answer gets into P/R territory...
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Are you sure you can raise a kid?
Have you got what it takes?
Are you sure you can pay for it?
There's no room for mistakes!
Are you sure, can you take the risk?
Protect and keep it safe?
Are you sure, I am not convinced!
PARENTAL PROCREATION PERMIT! (https://youtu.be/-APTBvpIJNU)
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Absolutely.
Why should not wanting kids be frowned upon ?
Some people are TERRIBLE parents.
I really dislike babies and toddlers. I can only bear being around kids once they're like 12 upwards.
Why do people act like you're a horrible monster if yo don't want kids ( and hate dogs but that's a different thread )... ?
Some people just. don't. Like. Or. Want. Them. Or . Could. Cope. With . The . Responsibilty.
Cheers.
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I am considering becoming Catholic, and the teaching is that married couples should be "open to life"--meaning no birth control. However, a single person is not obligated to marry, so there is no obligation on single people to plan for a life with children. If a Catholic decides they don't want children. then I think they can remain single.
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Why do people act like you're a horrible monster if yo don't want kids ( and hate dogs but that's a different thread )... ?
I honestly think most parents would say "I love being a parent but can understand why someone wouldn't want to have kids." Most dog lovers seem to think "Dogs are the greatest thing in the world and anyone who doesn't agree deserves to die a horrible painful death."
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Absolutely.
Why should not wanting kids be frowned upon ?
Some people are TERRIBLE parents.
I really dislike babies and toddlers. I can only bear being around kids once they're like 12 upwards.
Why do people act like you're a horrible monster if yo don't want kids ( and hate dogs but that's a different thread )... ?
Some people just. don't. Like. Or. Want. Them. Or . Could. Cope. With . The . Responsibilty.
Cheers.
I really find it sad, how The Leaders of the world, made it where it's harder to raise a kid. They made it where our Parental responsibilities are sacrificed. It's gotten where those who have kids, have to take a second job and drop their kids off at a daycare, in order to have enough just to eat, and have shelter over their heads, in turn losing valuable time spent with their kids. The Parents could be using that time spent, teaching their kids things they want them to learn. But it's harder when you can't spend as much time with them, while you work day and night.
And for those who think the world is a nightmare to bring kids into the world. I hate to break it to you, but since when has the world not been nightmarish.
Also, it's Nature to have kids. All things have offspring, EVERYTHING...Why else did the creator make reproduction feel so good.
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And for those who think the world is a nightmare to bring kids into the world. I hate to break it to you, but since when has the world not been nightmarish.
That's not a revelation for me, that's pretty much the foundation of my belief in such a philosophy. That's the point. The world is a beautiful, lovely place. It's also a hell. For me, I choose to see the beauty in the world and appreciate it, while also recognizing all the problems, and my refusal to bring a kid into the madness when billions of others are doing that for me - and probably better than I ever could, frankly. I ain't good with kids. You just pick 'em up like a gourd, right? Palm of the hand on the top of the head, carry 'em around like a rutabaga?
Also,
Also, it's Nature to have kids. All things have offspring, EVERYTHING...Why else did the creator make reproduction feel so good.
Brother I will give you $100 to stand in front of a crowd of new moms and say that. :lol
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I am considering becoming Catholic, and the teaching is that married couples should be "open to life"--meaning no birth control. However, a single person is not obligated to marry, so there is no obligation on single people to plan for a life with children. If a Catholic decides they don't want children. then I think they can remain single.
So your considering becoming a member of a child molesting death cult??
Yes - I just went there.
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And for those who think the world is a nightmare to bring kids into the world. I hate to break it to you, but since when has the world not been nightmarish.
That's not a revelation for me, that's pretty much the foundation of my belief in such a philosophy. That's the point.
I guess, in a way, it's a good thing you get that point. :lol
That's also a premise to why I say, "Our human problems have always been the same. They just keep evolving over time."
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And for those who think the world is a nightmare to bring kids into the world. I hate to break it to you, but since when has the world not been nightmarish.
That's not a revelation for me, that's pretty much the foundation of my belief in such a philosophy. That's the point. The world is a beautiful, lovely place. It's also a hell. For me, I choose to see the beauty in the world and appreciate it, while also recognizing all the problems, and my refusal to bring a kid into the madness when billions of others are doing that for me - and probably better than I ever could, frankly. I ain't good with kids. You just pick 'em up like a gourd, right? Palm of the hand on the top of the head, carry 'em around like a rutabaga?
Also,
Also, it's Nature to have kids. All things have offspring, EVERYTHING...Why else did the creator make reproduction feel so good.
Brother I will give you $100 to stand in front of a crowd of new moms and say that. :lol
I didn't say anything about the Birthing feeling good. The Act of Reproducing, is what feels good. It may be extremely painful, yes, but I know new moms who will now do anything for that child. It's why it's held as a sacred act.
And...I'll stop there, don't want to go into a big ass book long essay.
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Also, the govt should stay the f--- out of people's personal family decisions (whom to marry, how many kids to have, how many people to marry, everything!).
I are Cletus Spuckler, and I approve of this here string of letters.
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Also, the govt should stay the f--- out of people's personal family decisions (whom to marry, how many kids to have, how many people to marry, everything!).
I are Cletus Spuckler, and I approve of this here string of letters.
:lol
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Also, the govt should stay the f--- out of people's personal family decisions (whom to marry, how many kids to have, how many people to marry, everything!).
I are Cletus Spuckler, and I approve of this here string of letters.
Kids wer eatin dinner tonight! (https://youtu.be/QDYF_nu2I4M)
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Absolutely.
Why should not wanting kids be frowned upon ?
Some people are TERRIBLE parents.
I really dislike babies and toddlers. I can only bear being around kids once they're like 12 upwards.
Why do people act like you're a horrible monster if yo don't want kids ( and hate dogs but that's a different thread )... ?
Some people just. don't. Like. Or. Want. Them. Or . Could. Cope. With . The . Responsibilty.
Cheers.
I really find it sad, how The Leaders of the world, made it where it's harder to raise a kid. They made it where our Parental responsibilities are sacrificed. It's gotten where those who have kids, have to take a second job and drop their kids off at a daycare, in order to have enough just to eat, and have shelter over their heads, in turn losing valuable time spent with their kids. The Parents could be using that time spent, teaching their kids things they want them to learn. But it's harder when you can't spend as much time with them, while you work day and night.
And for those who think the world is a nightmare to bring kids into the world. I hate to break it to you, but since when has the world not been nightmarish.
Also, it's Nature to have kids. All things have offspring, EVERYTHING...Why else did the creator make reproduction feel so good.
It's your choice to have kids. Why should others make that easier for you? You want to bring kids into the world, you have to work to support and raise them. if people can't afford it, don't have them. Don't blame others or expect it to be made easier for you.
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With regards to the government supporting children, I think they have an incentive to do that, but as a single dude, of course I don't like it, but I can see some reason for it. Look at Japan, that country isn't giving enough births to the point it may not exist in the future.
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" How can you not have kids ? It's NATURE..."
It reminds me of Some Kind Of Monster - where Newsted says - " Music is my children - I choose not to have any kids "
And Hetfield ( on the DVD commentary ) says something like " You choose not to do LIFE ? "
Like - as if it's a MANDATORY REQUIREMENT OF EXISTENCE.
No it isn't. No more than fuckin' Bungee Jumping.
It's a choice. I shit you not - sometimes I remember that getting married and having kids is not mandatory and I breathe a sigh of relief.
Imagine if getting married and having babies was LEGAL AND MANDATORY ? Nightmare.
( But Kotowboy - you're an ugly worthless sack of shit - nobody would want you anyway ! )
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The whole "the world is so screwed up, it would be wrong to bring life" argument doesn't hold up. First, most people who say things like that would rather be alive than dead, and betray that thinking with their own actions. Second, if you really felt that way, it doesn't take much but looking at yourself, your peers, and the generations before you to see that nobody currently on this Earth is on their way to saving it. The future generations are the only hope there is.
I'm not saying that people need to have kids, and In fairness people who don't want kids have had to put up with a lot of bull crap moral arguments urging them to have them, but the inverse of that position (making going childless the moral necessity) is just as flawed
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I am considering becoming Catholic, and the teaching is that married couples should be "open to life"--meaning no birth control. However, a single person is not obligated to marry, so there is no obligation on single people to plan for a life with children. If a Catholic decides they don't want children. then I think they can remain single.
So your considering becoming a member of a child molesting death cult??
Yes - I just went there.
Speaking as a catholic, talk about painting with a mile-wide brush. ???
But the real reason for this post: for the love of God who was the person who voted no???
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The whole "the world is so screwed up, it would be wrong to bring life" argument doesn't hold up. First, most people who say things like that would rather be alive than dead, and betray that thinking with their own actions. Second, if you really felt that way, it doesn't take much but looking at yourself, your peers, and the generations before you to see that nobody currently on this Earth is on their way to saving it. The future generations are the only hope there is.
I'm not saying that people need to have kids, and In fairness people who don't want kids have had to put up with a lot of bull crap moral arguments urging them to have them, but the inverse of that position (making going childless the moral necessity) is just as flawed
Isn't that our right however to use that as a valid argument for ourselves? It's all about the individual and their views on life and the world IMO.
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The whole "the world is so screwed up, it would be wrong to bring life" argument doesn't hold up. First, most people who say things like that would rather be alive than dead, and betray that thinking with their own actions. Second, if you really felt that way, it doesn't take much but looking at yourself, your peers, and the generations before you to see that nobody currently on this Earth is on their way to saving it. The future generations are the only hope there is.
I'm not saying that people need to have kids, and In fairness people who don't want kids have had to put up with a lot of bull crap moral arguments urging them to have them, but the inverse of that position (making going childless the moral necessity) is just as flawed
This is fine, if, I suppose, those were my beliefs, but this post makes a lot of assumptions about others. And nobody once said that going childless was a moral necessity or the way others need to think. 100% a personal, individual decision, that's all.
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The whole "the world is so screwed up, it would be wrong to bring life" argument doesn't hold up. First, most people who say things like that would rather be alive than dead, and betray that thinking with their own actions. Second, if you really felt that way, it doesn't take much but looking at yourself, your peers, and the generations before you to see that nobody currently on this Earth is on their way to saving it. The future generations are the only hope there is.
I'm not saying that people need to have kids, and In fairness people who don't want kids have had to put up with a lot of bull crap moral arguments urging them to have them, but the inverse of that position (making going childless the moral necessity) is just as flawed
Isn't that our right however to use that as a valid argument for ourselves? It's all about the individual and their views on life and the world IMO.
Sure, but it's also my right to hear opinions like that and think that people don't understand or really believe what they are saying, even if they think they do, no matter how smart they are.
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My older cousin was adamant about not having children. Then he remarried and had a boy in his early 40's and it completely changed his perception of having children.
I think whatever you do in life you do throw yourself into it but a child is your dna. It is another level.
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I am considering becoming Catholic, and the teaching is that married couples should be "open to life"--meaning no birth control. However, a single person is not obligated to marry, so there is no obligation on single people to plan for a life with children. If a Catholic decides they don't want children. then I think they can remain single.
There is actually birth control, it's just called natural family planning and only the craziest of us actually rely on it because it is suspiciously ineffective. I think the church's position on Life is beautiful, often misunderstood, and yet possibly very flawed. the current pope seems to recognize that life as it should be probably is not possible under global capitalism and has encouraged a far more sympathetic and understanding approach to how the church talks about these issues.
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I've got it in my head recently that I want a big family, like 7 kids. Anyone from that situation and know how to make it work?
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Most arguments not to have kids and most arguments to have kids are incredibly flawed and can be toppled incredibly easily. It's just a post hoc rationalization of how you actually feel, and people are uncomfortable with the fact that their most important decisions sometimes aren't that rational, or that they are sometimes environmental and that they could have easily been another way.
There's a minority of people who would never find a way to be happy again if you made them have kids, and a minority of people who would never find a way to be happy again if you made them not have kids. The rest of us could probably swing either way, maybe a little more or less happy on one end than the other, and that's what all the fuss and the discussion is about, because you literally don't know and want to reinforce your decision for yourself.
I can definitely see some of the more basic pros and cons. It's nice to have permanent family members that are very closely connected to you and are way younger than you, someone who literally sees you into the afterlife. It's not to be underestimated because at one point, for some people earlier than others, you start feeling like the world is shrinking and you know less people and all of those unpleasant things about growing older start weighing on you. On the other hand, the daily work of raising kids seems like absolute drudgery, and avoiding drudgery if you can't see the benefit of it is wise. Maybe years of doing wax on, wax off 12hrs a day on top of everything else I do would make me a much better person, but I don't really know that and it's hard to make a connection between point A and point B, so I wouldn't be excited about doing it personally.
So to answer the weird WR question, yes, it's okay for some people not to want to have kids, because even at these replacement rates, enough people want to have kids that there will still be a substantial amount of people left to further humanity until the planet explodes anyway. Everything else is just personal choice, or personal accident, or personal "it seemed a good idea at the time", or personal life plan.
I've got it in my head recently that I want a big family, like 7 kids. Anyone from that situation and know how to make it work?
Not to be rude, I'm just extremely curious where do you get all these big and specific ideas in your head? At first it's considering Catholic, not a lot of people convert into religions they weren't born in , especially "Catholic" specifically as opposed to generally just Christianity or Judaism or whatever. Now it's having seven kids as an abstract thought, as opposed to "I specifically know and have talked to someone who makes it work and I got the impression it would be great for me, plus I already have someone I want seven kids with".
Again, I apologize if it's too personal, but people don't just say "I wanna go to med school to become an ear doctor and live in this one specific village in New Zealand that I have never visited". Has to have an interesting story behind it at the least.
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I've got it in my head recently that I want a big family, like 7 kids. Anyone from that situation and know how to make it work?
A high salary and wife that comes with a live-in parent as well as no other personal or career ambitions of her own outside raising a family.
not saying this in a judgmental way, if you find somebody else who shares that value with you, great. Good luck though, even among Catholics.
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Skeever is dead on. You need the money and help to do this.
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I've got it in my head recently that I want a big family, like 7 kids. Anyone from that situation and know how to make it work?
Not to be rude, I'm just extremely curious where do you get all these big and specific ideas in your head? At first it's considering Catholic, not a lot of people convert into religions they weren't born in , especially "Catholic" specifically as opposed to generally just Christianity or Judaism or whatever. Now it's having seven kids as an abstract thought, as opposed to "I specifically know and have talked to someone who makes it work and I got the impression it would be great for me, plus I already have someone I want seven kids with".
Again, I apologize if it's too personal, but people don't just say "I wanna go to med school to become an ear doctor and live in this one specific village in New Zealand that I have never visited". Has to have an interesting story behind it at the least.
No, it's no problem. I promise that I don't randomly come to these decisions! Re: Catholicism, I wasn't raised with any religion. However, I'd say about 11 years ago, at age 17, I converted to generic Christianity. For about a year I didn't know anything and just had very generic and uninformed Christian beliefs, and I was very curious about learning more. Then I got pulled into a Christian yet cultish KJV-onlyist, young earth creationist, theologically heterodox church--of course I thought it was "normal" at the time. I studied the ins and outs of their niche worldview for about 2 years. I actually ardently defended these views on DTF under a different name (this was circa 2011). However, I had many suspicions that my view wasn't correct; after many conversations with a certain gracious member of DTF, I left that church and simply decided to hold fast to the core beliefs of the Christian faith while remaining open-minded about the rest. I attended a Pentacostal church for 2 years, tried to wrap my head around their emphasis on alleged "spiritual gifts" like prophesying and speaking in tongues, but ultimately I couldn't accept it. Then I moved for school, and I attended a "liturgical baptist"-style non-denominational church, which was theologically lightweight and quite intellectual, as it was a small home church of many biblical scholars, theologians, and philosophers. I was with them for 3 years. Then I moved again for school; this time I found myself at a Presbyterian church, and while there are many aspects of their theology I did not agree with (such as predestination), I was comfortable enough to stay. I've been with them for about 5 years. Now, through conversation with many good Catholic friends, some of whom were once Protestant, I have been finding myself increasingly convinced by their arguments, and I don't think that my best objections to Catholicism are as good as I once thought they were. Thus, I do think I am on my way to becoming Catholic.
Maybe that was more than what you wanted, but it seems like the next step for me.
Re: kids, well, to be honest there is something of a passionate conflict in me. Part of me wants to keep all my money to myself, never marry, never have kids, and be a rockstar. Live by my own rules; be accountable to no one. But part of me does want to take on that responsibility because I think it will bring the best out of me. As for the "seven" part, it is kind of an arbitrary number, but I've always loved big families and thought that if I were to have kids, I wouldn't want to limit myself. I'd wanna just keep going.
A high salary and wife that comes with a live-in parent as well as no other personal or career ambitions of her own outside raising a family.
not saying this in a judgmental way, if you find somebody else who shares that value with you, great. Good luck though, even among Catholics.
Skeever is dead on. You need the money and help to do this.
Yes, part of this journey has involved a change of career plans. Initially I planned to be an academic. Now I've been pouring myself into computer science. To make a long story short, I am in a humanities PhD program getting free tuition (as is the norm), but they are letting me add on a masters in software engineering. The main motivation to pursue software engineering is so that I can support a family on my dime and my potential wife need not work if she doesn't want to. A lot of Catholic women I do know around here would prefer to stay at home, at least while the children are young. And of course, if she would want to have a career too, that would be great and I would be supportive; daycare would be the thing to do then.
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The whole "the world is so screwed up, it would be wrong to bring life" argument doesn't hold up. First, most people who say things like that would rather be alive than dead, and betray that thinking with their own actions. Second, if you really felt that way, it doesn't take much but looking at yourself, your peers, and the generations before you to see that nobody currently on this Earth is on their way to saving it. The future generations are the only hope there is.
I'm not saying that people need to have kids, and In fairness people who don't want kids have had to put up with a lot of bull crap moral arguments urging them to have them, but the inverse of that position (making going childless the moral necessity) is just as flawed
Isn't that our right however to use that as a valid argument for ourselves? It's all about the individual and their views on life and the world IMO.
Sure, but it's also my right to hear opinions like that and think that people don't understand or really believe what they are saying, even if they think they do, no matter how smart they are.
I'm not sure if this is a personal attack or whatever but how can you think that I wouldn't understand or believe my own viewpoint without knowing a thing about me?
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The whole "the world is so screwed up, it would be wrong to bring life" argument doesn't hold up. First, most people who say things like that would rather be alive than dead, and betray that thinking with their own actions. Second, if you really felt that way, it doesn't take much but looking at yourself, your peers, and the generations before you to see that nobody currently on this Earth is on their way to saving it. The future generations are the only hope there is.
I'm not saying that people need to have kids, and In fairness people who don't want kids have had to put up with a lot of bull crap moral arguments urging them to have them, but the inverse of that position (making going childless the moral necessity) is just as flawed
This is fine, if, I suppose, those were my beliefs, but this post makes a lot of assumptions about others. And nobody once said that going childless was a moral necessity or the way others need to think. 100% a personal, individual decision, that's all.
Exactly, unfair assumptions I might add.
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All the best to you H2!
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I've seen some fucked up parenting in the store throughout the years.
I'd rather drop these kids in Kade's or Michael's laps because I know they'd do a better job. They're good people.
Having kids or not having kids, well its just a different thing. I know I could've gone without them. Now I couldn't.
I'll tell you, if I knew how much I was going to worry, I might've taken a pass.
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I've seen some fucked up parenting in the store throughout the years.
I'd rather drop these kids in Kade's or Michael's laps because I know they'd do a better job. They're good people.
Having kids or not having kids, well its just a different thing. I know I could've gone without them. Now I couldn't.
I'll tell you, if I knew how much I was going to worry, I might've taken a pass.
Thanks mate. I have no doubt I'd be a great father, I just have no desire too.
I've seen some sights coming through my joints too with parenting. Parents don't even watch their kids around water, it's diabolical. I see so many people daily that shouldn't have had children. My profession the last 15 years has kind of cermented my viewpoint in all honesty.
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Maybe that was more than what you wanted, but it seems like the next step for me.
It wasn't, it was very interesting, thank you!
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My outlook on life is pretty twisted and bleak, but I just really would feel horrible and selfish bringing life into this cruel, fucked up, cesspool of a world. It just wouldn't be fair.
100% the same, buddy. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for my friends who are now raising babies or have kids going into school... but fuck, man. The world is screwed up in so many ways, and there's just no way I could bring a kid into it, personally. More power to those that can.
There's a huge part of me that also feels this way, but I don't think this is anything new really. I feel like every generation probably thought the next was going down hill. I don't know, as much as I feel this way, I don't think this is nearly as big of a reason for me personally to not have kids, but I definitely think about this a lot. Specifically in the case of my nieces as they are really the only children that I deeply care about.
Well, I just want to clarify I don't believe each successive generation is making the world worse than the next or anything like that, I just think our world is a fucking nightmare. Also, I can barely take care of myself, that's kind of important too :lol :lol
I struggle finding motivation in doing the basics. Making and going to appointments, paying bills, buying new shit for the house. :lol it drains me and can't see how I would ever have the want or energy to look after and raise another human being.
Kade, you and I would get along quite well sitting at the bar bitching about kids and other things! :lol :lol
Can I join in even if I have them? :) :) :)
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They don’t need a chaperone, old man. ;D
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No, it's no problem. I promise that I don't randomly come to these decisions! Re: Catholicism, I wasn't raised with any religion. However, I'd say about 11 years ago, at age 17, I converted to generic Christianity. For about a year I didn't know anything and just had very generic and uninformed Christian beliefs, and I was very curious about learning more. Then I got pulled into a Christian yet cultish KJV-onlyist, young earth creationist, theologically heterodox church--of course I thought it was "normal" at the time. I studied the ins and outs of their niche worldview for about 2 years. I actually ardently defended these views on DTF under a different name (this was circa 2011). However, I had many suspicions that my view wasn't correct; after many conversations with a certain gracious member of DTF, I left that church and simply decided to hold fast to the core beliefs of the Christian faith while remaining open-minded about the rest. I attended a Pentacostal church for 2 years, tried to wrap my head around their emphasis on alleged "spiritual gifts" like prophesying and speaking in tongues, but ultimately I couldn't accept it. Then I moved for school, and I attended a "liturgical baptist"-style non-denominational church, which was theologically lightweight and quite intellectual, as it was a small home church of many biblical scholars, theologians, and philosophers. I was with them for 3 years. Then I moved again for school; this time I found myself at a Presbyterian church, and while there are many aspects of their theology I did not agree with (such as predestination), I was comfortable enough to stay. I've been with them for about 5 years. Now, through conversation with many good Catholic friends, some of whom were once Protestant, I have been finding myself increasingly convinced by their arguments, and I don't think that my best objections to Catholicism are as good as I once thought they were. Thus, I do think I am on my way to becoming Catholic.
Maybe that was more than what you wanted, but it seems like the next step for me.
Pretty much the inverse of me, then. I was raised Catholic and there are things about it that I've not always felt good about. But I've tried looking around elsewhere, and I could never find anything that didn't 1.) have even more things that I object to and 2.) still felt connected enough to the traditions of the RCC.
A lot of Catholic women I do know around here would prefer to stay at home, at least while the children are young. And of course, if she would want to have a career too, that would be great and I would be supportive; daycare would be the thing to do then.
Daycare's about a grand per kid per month where I'm at, for what that's worth.
I'm not sure if this is a personal attack or whatever but how can you think that I wouldn't understand or believe my own viewpoint without knowing a thing about me?
I don't really want to get into it. You can think the world is too cruel and heartless to bring new life into all you want, but I'm sure you find all sorts of reasons to go on living, and hopefully aren't interested in dying anytime soon yourself. But in case you are and it's not just some edgy rationale, I hope you do seek out some help. People who are battling severe depression should definitely consider trying to get that under control before having kids.
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I am considering becoming Catholic, and the teaching is that married couples should be "open to life"--meaning no birth control. However, a single person is not obligated to marry, so there is no obligation on single people to plan for a life with children. If a Catholic decides they don't want children. then I think they can remain single.
Having been a Catholic of varying degrees of participation since I was in single digits, some of these doctrines are less literal in practice than they sound when written out that way. Technically speaking the 1968 (or thereabouts) encyclical that banned all "artificial" contraception is still in force, but I have found that in practice the stance is more reasonable. This article (https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2016/09/28/poll-finds-many-us-catholics-breaking-church-over-contraception-abortion-and-lgbt) has support (in terms of moral judgment) for contraception as high as 90% of U.S. Catholics. I know for me, personally, I went through a period of questioning, during and immediately after college, where much of my views on religion and doctrine sort of crystallized. I had the luxury of two priests - one in my home town (you've heard of him; he's actually the priest that did the public eulogy for the children in Sandy Hook, Father Bob Weiss) and one at the parish at Uconn - that were willing to sit with me and talk over these matters of spirituality, and both were clear: it's a matter of conscience. We all have moral dilemmas we have to resolve, where there are conflicting moral obligations. This is just one of those.
I don't practice in the sense of attending church, but I do identify as a Catholic if need be, and I have no issue whatsoever with contraception; it's a matter of preference between me and my partner. I feel confident that I am not flauting the local directives of the Church (though to be clear, I'm not sure I would change my behavior even if it did).
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I've seen some fucked up parenting in the store throughout the years.
I'd rather drop these kids in Kade's or Michael's laps because I know they'd do a better job. They're good people.
Having kids or not having kids, well its just a different thing. I know I could've gone without them. Now I couldn't.
I'll tell you, if I knew how much I was going to worry, I might've taken a pass.
Thanks mate. I have no doubt I'd be a great father, I just have no desire too.
I've seen some sights coming through my joints too with parenting. Parents don't even watch their kids around water, it's diabolical. I see so many people daily that shouldn't have had children. My profession the last 15 years has kind of cermented my viewpoint in all honesty.
Sorry I just got reminded of John Wayne teaching a kid how to swim. :lol It dosen't resonate that well in todays society. I'm not a parent but I imagine the John Wayne way is a pretty efficient and easy way though. :rollin
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Absolutely.
Why should not wanting kids be frowned upon ?
Some people are TERRIBLE parents.
I really dislike babies and toddlers. I can only bear being around kids once they're like 12 upwards.
Why do people act like you're a horrible monster if yo don't want kids ( and hate dogs but that's a different thread )... ?
Some people just. don't. Like. Or. Want. Them. Or . Could. Cope. With . The . Responsibilty.
Cheers.
I really find it sad, how The Leaders of the world, made it where it's harder to raise a kid. They made it where our Parental responsibilities are sacrificed. It's gotten where those who have kids, have to take a second job and drop their kids off at a daycare, in order to have enough just to eat, and have shelter over their heads, in turn losing valuable time spent with their kids. The Parents could be using that time spent, teaching their kids things they want them to learn. But it's harder when you can't spend as much time with them, while you work day and night.
And for those who think the world is a nightmare to bring kids into the world. I hate to break it to you, but since when has the world not been nightmarish.
Also, it's Nature to have kids. All things have offspring, EVERYTHING...Why else did the creator make reproduction feel so good.
This is not on our leaders. This is on us as people, as citizens, as parents. Assuming I am a successful parent (not possible to say) if there was one thing that made that so it was "patience and presence". For every example of someone like you mention - that doesn't have a choice - there are two that DO and yet take the same path. You're focusing on the work aspect, but it goes beyond that. You can't expect to be a good parent by sticking your nose in a phone and/or binge-watching True Blood on Netflix every weekend. As much as I didn't like it, we were a two-parent family, through thick and thin. In hindsight, we could have divorced sooner; four is better than two, but in both cases, we were both involved parents. And we had a village. I get it if you don't, then you're right, it can be very difficult; there are plenty, though, for whom it's not about that, it's about broader choices. I'm of the opinion that you've got to get down on your knees and play Polly Pockets with your kid. Sit there and read that copy of "Horton Hears A Who" for the n-teenth time. There's no phoning it in.
If you look at my "concert history", from 1982 (my first show) to about 1997, each year there are progressively more shows. Then there's a dearth from about 2000 through about 2008, when I moved to Philly. It picked up a bit, but didn't really "rebound" until about 2010, 2012. That's just one example. I chose not to be that guy that phones it in; I took jobs that fascilitated being a dad; it's a large part of the reason I have worked out of the house for so many years. I don't suggest or expect that everyone do what I did - I got very lucky - but regardless of what path you take, compromises and sacrifices have to be made. I don't see our society today being that big on sacrificing the short term dopamine hit in favor of the long-term slow burn.
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All I have to add to this conversation is that life has a tendency to work out way better if you have kids on purpose with someone you want to spend your life with. That's not to say it can't work out if it's an oops with a one night stand, but in general we'd be a lot better off if people would be more careful about their reproduction. If you insist on casual sex, double up on contraceptives.
Kids are amazing and a huge benefit to my life, but only because I had them with my wife, who I am fully committed to. Plus we co-parent really well to avoid either of us getting too burned out, though of course that happens sometimes.
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All I have to add to this conversation is that life has a tendency to work out way better if you have kids on purpose with someone you want to spend your life with. That's not to say it can't work out if it's an oops with a one night stand, but in general we'd be a lot better off if people would be more careful about their reproduction. If you insist on casual sex, double up on contraceptives.
Kids are amazing and a huge benefit to my life, but only because I had them with my wife, who I am fully committed to. Plus we co-parent really well to avoid either of us getting too burned out, though of course that happens sometimes.
Agree. My thing is, I've never been married. Never met that special someone who I would consider to be an adequate co-parent and soulmate. Those are important factors. So, I just figured having kids wasn't meant to be for me. Plus, having a family just wasn't an aspiration of mine. Always wanted to do my own thing. I look at it this way. My two younger brothers have a total of 9 kids. They had enough for all 3 of us. After all, the world is over populated enough as it is.
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With regards to the government supporting children, I think they have an incentive to do that, but as a single dude, of course I don't like it, but I can see some reason for it. Look at Japan, that country isn't giving enough births to the point it may not exist in the future.
That's because they value and prioritize their economy and understand, kids just get in the way of the laborer. Let's face it, labor is just a nicer form of Slavery, except you get a coin in return. That you can use to buy food, you could've grown yourself, but forgot how to do it yourself. So we become reliant on that coin, they give to us, because they control the value of that coin.
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With regards to the government supporting children, I think they have an incentive to do that, but as a single dude, of course I don't like it, but I can see some reason for it. Look at Japan, that country isn't giving enough births to the point it may not exist in the future.
That's because they value and prioritize their economy and understand, kids just get in the way of the laborer. Let's face it, labor is just a nicer form of Slavery, except you get a coin in return. That you can use to buy food, you could've grown yourself, but forgot how to do it yourself. So we become reliant on that coin, they give to us, because they control the value of that coin.
It's actually because there aren't enough good jobs so they don't want to have kids because they can't support them. Which is a commendable thing in many ways, like we discuss here. If you cant support a child, you shouldn't have one. But it's a big issue for them. It's definitely tied to economics though like you said.
In Japan, the reluctance to marry or have children has most likely arisen, at least in part, from shrinking employment opportunities for young men.
https://www.eastwestcenter.org/publications/low-fertility-in-japan%E2%80%94no-end-in-sight (https://www.eastwestcenter.org/publications/low-fertility-in-japan%E2%80%94no-end-in-sight)
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With regards to the government supporting children, I think they have an incentive to do that, but as a single dude, of course I don't like it, but I can see some reason for it. Look at Japan, that country isn't giving enough births to the point it may not exist in the future.
That's because they value and prioritize their economy and understand, kids just get in the way of the laborer. Let's face it, labor is just a nicer form of Slavery, except you get a coin in return. That you can use to buy food, you could've grown yourself, but forgot how to do it yourself. So we become reliant on that coin, they give to us, because they control the value of that coin.
That's a questionable statement. That's like saying "Water is just a nicer form of sand, except it doesn't abrade your skin". There are fundamental differences (revolving around "free will") between the two. Don't mistake the fact that you don't get to wish your own salary for not being an autonomous act.
As for the second half, you're totally ignoring the utility of shared services. I shouldn't be growing and cultivating my own food; it's not efficient. Nor should farmers study and absorb all the fineries of law. It's more efficient for society if the farmer cultivates food for me, and I provide legal services to them. We address time and geographical differences by using a transactional device, money.
This applies globally too; U.S. workers shouldn't be making sneakers or televisions; we do other things - medical, education, high tech development - more efficiently, and should be trading that output for those things we can't do as efficiently.
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Is it okay? Frankly it should be encouraged. I consider myself pretty eco minded, and while I take recycling home from work to make sure it is recycled properly, buy my power from a company that deals in 100% wind energy, and then power an electric car with some of that energy none of that has nearly the same environmental impact as our decision not to have children.
I'm not saying this to come out against those who have kids or want them, but as a society in our laws (via benefits for having kids throughout multiple areas) and just in general we need to stop glorifying and rewarding having children. We're centuries past the point where the primal reasons for that desire needs to be reflected in everything for our survival.
In Australia, the government give 'baby bonuses'. When it came out I seriously think the dumbfuck side of society were having a kid to get free money. The benefits they give out over here is crazy and the more kids you have, the more benefits you get. It's fucking atrocious.
:omg:
Talk about convincing your people to procreate, unknowingly. That's some mind fuckery right there.
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There is so much more to 'labor' than mindlessly whittling away at a task and receiving a paycheck. There is so much more that you get from a job, even a minimum wage one, than a slave does. There are some sectors where you could maybe make the argument that it's compassionless and brutal on the workers but it's still not slavery.
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" How can you not have kids ? It's NATURE..."
It reminds me of Some Kind Of Monster - where Newsted says - " Music is my children - I choose not to have any kids "
And Hetfield ( on the DVD commentary ) says something like " You choose not to do LIFE ? "
Like - as if it's a MANDATORY REQUIREMENT OF EXISTENCE.
No it isn't. No more than fuckin' Bungee Jumping.
It's a choice. I shit you not - sometimes I remember that getting married and having kids is not mandatory and I breathe a sigh of relief.
Imagine if getting married and having babies was LEGAL AND MANDATORY ? Nightmare.
( But Kotowboy - you're an ugly worthless sack of shit - nobody would want you anyway ! )
I didn't word that question good, at all.
I do agree with you having babies be LEGALLY MANDATORY. China, in a way, is doing just that with their Child Laws.
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Is it okay? Frankly it should be encouraged. I consider myself pretty eco minded, and while I take recycling home from work to make sure it is recycled properly, buy my power from a company that deals in 100% wind energy, and then power an electric car with some of that energy none of that has nearly the same environmental impact as our decision not to have children.
I'm not saying this to come out against those who have kids or want them, but as a society in our laws (via benefits for having kids throughout multiple areas) and just in general we need to stop glorifying and rewarding having children. We're centuries past the point where the primal reasons for that desire needs to be reflected in everything for our survival.
In Australia, the government give 'baby bonuses'. When it came out I seriously think the dumbfuck side of society were having a kid to get free money. The benefits they give out over here is crazy and the more kids you have, the more benefits you get. It's fucking atrocious.
:omg:
Talk about convincing your people to procreate, unknowingly. That's some mind fuckery right there.
The rationale behind this is, I assume:
Citizen: "Gosh, it is so expensive to raise a kid"
Government: "Well, let me help you, you want kids? I support you! I don't want the next generation to be 10% of what is now, in term of population, just because you feel that a kid costs too much money"
If dumb people procreate just to get easy money, that's the other side of the coin.... you cannot stop to support parents who want to raise a kid without falling into poverty because Cletus Spuckler churns out kids after kids just to get some money.
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Daycare's about a grand per kid per month where I'm at, for what that's worth.
Yeah I've gathered that daycare is expensive, one of the several reasons why I personally think a stay-at-home parent is preferable. I mean, if we're just concerned about making cost-effective decisions, the spouse who would stay at home should make at least enough money to offset the daycare. That's feasible--let's say there are four kids and the spouse that would have stayed home makes $50000--but doesn't leave a lot left over. Of course this will lead to stress as both spouses struggle to balance their career and home lives. This is one reason I personally am in favor of one spouse focused on long hours, traveling, doing whatever it takes to have a large income, while the other spouse is focused on homemaking. If Family A had a net income of $100k with a working spouse and a SAH spouse, and Family B had a net income of $100k with both spouses working and balancing homemaking/caretaking duties, I would think generally speaking Family B would be a lot more stressed out.
FWIW, I don't think the "working spouse" must be the man and the "SAH spouse" must be the woman; it depends. Personally, although I'm fine with respecting others' decisions and would be supportive of my spouse's desires (even if those desires flip-flopped), I personally would want to adopt that provider role. I swear I'm not a Puritan; this is just the conclusion I've come to after weighing the alternatives.
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I have 3 nephews. 5 nieces. 2 foster brothers and a half-brother.
Their ages range from one year old all the way up to 17 years old.
I've got enough kids around me. I don't need any of my own thanks.
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To the original question.....of course it's OK if some people don't want kids. In fact, I like that less people aren't having kids just to have them because they think that's what they're 'supposed' to do. Me, I've always wanted to be a Dad since I could remember. I've always loved kids and kids have loved me for some reason. I never doubted that I would be a Dad someday and looked forward to it. BUT....I also didn't rush in to it. I had several serious girlfriends in my 20's but was always 'safe' to make sure there weren't any accidents....like me for instance. I was the product of a rainy night at the drive in.
When my wife and I started dating we were 'older' than a lot of our friends who already had kids (we were 26) and we talked about wanting a family pretty quickly after we were married. We had our first son a month before our first anniversary, second son 17 months later and our youngest was three years after that.
Even with the planning and talking about it and the desire....there still is no book or advice that you can consume to prepare you for being a parent. It's just suddenly BOOM...you are caring for a real human being that is going to count on you for close to two decades :omg:
I will say that for me....I wouldn't trade being a Father for ANYTHING! Even in the times where I find myself thinking selfishly those instances evaporate pretty quickly. The rewards for fatherhood have outweighed anything negative 1000 fold. But it's not for everyone and it's a huge life altering thing to undertake. Again, impossible to describe. But I can't remember what life was like prior to having my kids and honestly I don't care to. But that's just me.
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We have the freedom to make whatever choices we want. Of course it’s ok. The world is overpopulated as is and not everyone is cut out to be a parent. We don’t exist just to be baby-making machines. To put a child in this world when you don’t want one and/or don’t have the means to support them is quite frankly irresponsible.
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If Family A had a net income of $100k with a working spouse and a SAH spouse, and Family B had a net income of $100k with both spouses working and balancing homemaking/caretaking duties, I would think generally speaking Family B would be a lot more stressed out.
Not so sure about this - it assumes that full-time childcare is more stressful than a full-time corporate job. I would say that having to watch over even one child full-time all day is arguably more stressful than the average corporate job, if you were to raise that to something like one parent staying home to watch 3-5 children then you get into madness inducing territory. Plus the caregiver is in the home all day, with no life outside of it, and probably expected to also be a homemaker for the breadwinner who is always at work.
I will not be the last to tell you that for many parents work becomes sort of an escape after you have kids. And many times, both parents want that "something else" outside of the house. And of course kids get older and go to school, and that puts the caregiver in the position of either becoming something like a homebody or else leaving them to try and restart their career after at least 5 years "off". It's incredibly challenging and a lot of people simply never make the adjustment back. I don't like to generalize, but of the other parents I'm friends with, the ones who have spouses that struggle the most with depression and other mental health illnesses seem to trend toward the ones who were stay-at-homes and then never were able to find something meaningful for themselves at home or outside of it once kids reached school age.
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I have 3 nephews. 5 nieces. 2 foster brothers and a half-brother.
Their ages range from one year old all the way up to 17 years old.
I've got enough kids around me. I don't need any of my own thanks.
I'm going to get fly-swatted on this, for sure, but IN MY EXPERIENCE, there is certain truth in the notion that "your kid" is not the same as "others' kids". It's a running joke in my house that "I hate kids". And I do, when they're those little wise-cracking, singing, dancing kids on TV. Or they are the brats running around Wal-Mart wiping boogers on everything. I can't name one time that I hated or regretted being a dad. Frustrated, tired, scared, yes, but regretful? Nope.
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If Family A had a net income of $100k with a working spouse and a SAH spouse, and Family B had a net income of $100k with both spouses working and balancing homemaking/caretaking duties, I would think generally speaking Family B would be a lot more stressed out.
Not so sure about this - it assumes that full-time childcare is more stressful than a full-time corporate job. I would say that having to watch over even one child full-time all day is arguably more stressful than the average corporate job.
I'm not a parent so I really have no clue what I'm talking about, but I'd trade my job for any of your children :lol
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If Family A had a net income of $100k with a working spouse and a SAH spouse, and Family B had a net income of $100k with both spouses working and balancing homemaking/caretaking duties, I would think generally speaking Family B would be a lot more stressed out.
Not so sure about this - it assumes that full-time childcare is more stressful than a full-time corporate job. I would say that having to watch over even one child full-time all day is arguably more stressful than the average corporate job.
I'm not a parent so I really have no clue what I'm talking about, but I'd trade my job for any of your children :lol
More fun and fulfilling =/= less exhausting and stressful
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Not so sure about this - it assumes that full-time childcare is more stressful than a full-time corporate job. I would say that having to watch over even one child full-time all day is arguably more stressful than the average corporate job, if you were to raise that to something like one parent staying home to watch 3-5 children then you get into madness inducing territory. Plus the caregiver is in the home all day, with no life outside of it, and probably expected to also be a homemaker for the breadwinner who is always at work.
I will not be the last to tell you that for many parents work becomes sort of an escape after you have kids. And many times, both parents want that "something else" outside of the house. And of course kids get older and go to school, and that puts the caregiver in the position of either becoming something like a homebody or else leaving them to try and restart their career after at least 5 years "off". It's incredibly challenging and a lot of people simply never make the adjustment back. I don't like to generalize, but of the other parents I'm friends with, the ones who have spouses that struggle the most with depression and other mental health illnesses seem to trend toward the ones who were stay-at-homes and then never were able to find something meaningful for themselves at home or outside of it once kids reached school age.
These are great points. I might have to nuance my opinion on this a bit. I know my mom stayed home, but then worked for someone on and off with flexible hours. And she has a lot of community involvement. So maybe the problem is that such SAH people just don't have anything else going on, and everyone should try to have multiple passions?
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If Family A had a net income of $100k with a working spouse and a SAH spouse, and Family B had a net income of $100k with both spouses working and balancing homemaking/caretaking duties, I would think generally speaking Family B would be a lot more stressed out.
Not so sure about this - it assumes that full-time childcare is more stressful than a full-time corporate job. I would say that having to watch over even one child full-time all day is arguably more stressful than the average corporate job.
I'm not a parent so I really have no clue what I'm talking about, but I'd trade my job for any of your children :lol
More fun and fulfilling =/= less exhausting and stressful
Exhausting and stressful isn't what bothers me. It's my line of work (boring is an understatement) and the overall corporate structure that I find miserable.
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I have 3 nephews. 5 nieces. 2 foster brothers and a half-brother.
Their ages range from one year old all the way up to 17 years old.
I've got enough kids around me. I don't need any of my own thanks.
I'm going to get fly-swatted on this, for sure, but IN MY EXPERIENCE, there is certain truth in the notion that "your kid" is not the same as "others' kids". It's a running joke in my house that "I hate kids". And I do, when they're those little wise-cracking, singing, dancing kids on TV. Or they are the brats running around Wal-Mart wiping boogers on everything. I can't name one time that I hated or regretted being a dad. Frustrated, tired, scared, yes, but regretful? Nope.
Well, on the other hand, I love the kids. And one of the things I love about them is that they aren't mine :lol I can enjoy their company, their absolute adorable cuteness when they're small and interacting with them when they're starting to grow up, but when they're moody or they don't want to sleep at night or they shit their pants, well, not my problem :lol
Depends also on the kid, at least once per year with the family we visit my father's sister who is by now grandma to two siblings, a girl born in 2012 and a boy born in.... 2014 I guess? well, each time I visit, I'd gladly take the girl back home with me, 'cause she's adorable, and at the same time I can't wait to get rid of that annoying brat of his little brother :biggrin: but they told me he grew up this year and now he's nicer, I hope I get a chance to actually visit them given the situation.....
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Kids and dogs both present the same problems. They're loud, they make messes, they drool, are constantly putting things in their mouths they should not be putting in their mouths. The only thing in the baby's favor is that they don't eat their own crap. Unless there's a Florida Man story I'm missing.
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We're at TWO no's!
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Kids and dogs both present the same problems. They're loud, they make messes, they drool, are constantly putting things in their mouths they should not be putting in their mouths. The only thing in the baby's favor is that they don't eat their own crap. Unless there's a Florida Man story I'm missing.
Eh, close enough.
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/02/14/florida-man-accused-of-forcing-toddler-to-eat-feces/21713941/
https://stopthedrugwar.org/speakeasy/2007/nov/05/drug_scare_kids_florida_are_gett
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I agree with the bulk of comments here and I voted yes it's OK.
But I would like for people who voted no to chime in. I'm curious as to why but my guess is that it's religion related.
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Kids and dogs both present the same problems. They're loud, they make messes, they drool, are constantly putting things in their mouths they should not be putting in their mouths. The only thing in the baby's favor is that they don't eat their own crap. Unless there's a Florida Man story I'm missing.
Eh, close enough.
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/02/14/florida-man-accused-of-forcing-toddler-to-eat-feces/21713941/
https://stopthedrugwar.org/speakeasy/2007/nov/05/drug_scare_kids_florida_are_gett
Nooooooo :rollin
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I've got it in my head recently that I want a big family, like 7 kids. Anyone from that situation and know how to make it work?
I know a few large families like that in our extended homeschool network. In all of them, one parent (usually, mom) stays home. A common theme I have seen is a change in perspective that the life focus is on raising the family. I don't think the income is all that high in any of those families, but they are just committed to making it work, which often means doing without some things and keeping on a strict budget.
As far as the Catholicism thing, as someone who grew up Catholic myself, I'll just say: If you are into it because of the culture and all, or you take comfort in the ritualistic aspects of it, I get that. But if the goal is to be part of a "form of Christianity," Catholicism is directly incompatible with what it means to be a Christian, so I don't get that. But I'll just leave it at that for purposes of this thread. If you want to further discuss, we can do that by PM or take it to P/R.
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To the original question.....of course it's OK if some people don't want kids. In fact, I like that less people aren't having kids just to have them because they think that's what they're 'supposed' to do.
Wouldn't this come down to basic understanding of Responsibility? If you know you can't be responsible for the child, why not abstain, from the act of Reproduction? (I could say it in dirtier terms, but I don't want to Frighten the children... :biggrin: )
I believe, there are no such things as accidents. We all know how Reproduction works, right. It's also why I consider, Males whom Rape Females, as evil and sinister. That's the dark side of Nature.
I want to say, I have no problem, nor do I don't care at all, whether someone decides to have a child or not. I'd be infringing on your Natural Human Rights, if I were to give a shit, but that's how I feel.
I am just presenting reasons, from what I have been reading and understand, for why people are deciding not to have kids. And one area I would suggest to look into is when the concept of using Gold, as the payout for services, started. When the concept of paying for services and goods, shifted from paying with Services and goods, Bartering, (I'll give you 5 Pumpkins, for that Buffalo Fur). I mention this because, It seems all this discussion and the reasons why people don't want kids, is they can't afford the responsibility. Why is it, in todays society, we can't afford the responsibility it takes to provide basic necessities for a child?
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I've seen some fucked up parenting in the store throughout the years.
I'd rather drop these kids in Kade's or Michael's laps because I know they'd do a better job. They're good people.
Having kids or not having kids, well its just a different thing. I know I could've gone without them. Now I couldn't.
I'll tell you, if I knew how much I was going to worry, I might've taken a pass.
Thanks mate. I have no doubt I'd be a great father, I just have no desire too.
I've seen some sights coming through my joints too with parenting. Parents don't even watch their kids around water, it's diabolical. I see so many people daily that shouldn't have had children. My profession the last 15 years has kind of cermented my viewpoint in all honesty.
Sorry I just got reminded of John Wayne teaching a kid how to swim. :lol It dosen't resonate that well in todays society. I'm not a parent but I imagine the John Wayne way is a pretty efficient and easy way though. :rollin
(https://media.tenor.com/images/12445e1ea634e1a51577dc528e457a0d/tenor.gif)
No, parents still use this technique today, trust me.
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I've got it in my head recently that I want a big family, like 7 kids. Anyone from that situation and know how to make it work?
I know a few large families like that in our extended homeschool network. In all of them, one parent (usually, mom) stays home. A common theme I have seen is a change in perspective that the life focus is on raising the family. I don't think the income is all that high in any of those families, but they are just committed to making it work, which often means doing without some things and keeping on a strict budget.
As far as the Catholicism thing, as someone who grew up Catholic myself, I'll just say: If you are into it because of the culture and all, or you take comfort in the ritualistic aspects of it, I get that. But if the goal is to be part of a "form of Christianity," Catholicism is directly incompatible with what it means to be a Christian, so I don't get that. But I'll just leave it at that for purposes of this thread. If you want to further discuss, we can do that by PM or take it to P/R.
Well, I am a former Catholic indoctrinated in Catholicism as a young child - i.e. I didn't have a choice - but quickly fled from it as a teenager. But bringing it back to this thread, the Catholic religion requires that newly married couples have children. In fact, if your a young couple and tell the priest that you don't plan on having children, they may refuse to marry you.
So in the Catholic religion the answer would be no - it is not OK not to have children.
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I'm not sure if this is a personal attack or whatever but how can you think that I wouldn't understand or believe my own viewpoint without knowing a thing about me?
I don't really want to get into it. You can think the world is too cruel and heartless to bring new life into all you want, but I'm sure you find all sorts of reasons to go on living, and hopefully aren't interested in dying anytime soon yourself. But in case you are and it's not just some edgy rationale, I hope you do seek out some help. People who are battling severe depression should definitely consider trying to get that under control before having kids.
That fact is totally invalid on the justification to have or not have children. I'm in this world now and you're right, people can change that but more often than not they don't. Regardless one would rather live than die doesn't mean their viewpoints on society aren't a valid enough factor in the decision not to have kids. I feel you're not open to my and Michaels viewpoint at all truthfully.
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I've got it in my head recently that I want a big family, like 7 kids. Anyone from that situation and know how to make it work?
I know a few large families like that in our extended homeschool network. In all of them, one parent (usually, mom) stays home. A common theme I have seen is a change in perspective that the life focus is on raising the family. I don't think the income is all that high in any of those families, but they are just committed to making it work, which often means doing without some things and keeping on a strict budget.
As far as the Catholicism thing, as someone who grew up Catholic myself, I'll just say: If you are into it because of the culture and all, or you take comfort in the ritualistic aspects of it, I get that. But if the goal is to be part of a "form of Christianity," Catholicism is directly incompatible with what it means to be a Christian, so I don't get that. But I'll just leave it at that for purposes of this thread. If you want to further discuss, we can do that by PM or take it to P/R.
Well, I am a former Catholic indoctrinated in Catholicism as a young child - i.e. I didn't have a choice - but quickly fled from it as a teenager. But bringing it back to this thread, the Catholic religion requires that newly married couples have children. In fact, if your a young couple and tell the priest that you don't plan on having children, they may refuse to marry you.
So in the Catholic religion the answer would be no - it is not OK not to have children.
Granted, it's been a while, but I've never heard that ever.
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I've got it in my head recently that I want a big family, like 7 kids. Anyone from that situation and know how to make it work?
I know a few large families like that in our extended homeschool network. In all of them, one parent (usually, mom) stays home. A common theme I have seen is a change in perspective that the life focus is on raising the family. I don't think the income is all that high in any of those families, but they are just committed to making it work, which often means doing without some things and keeping on a strict budget.
As far as the Catholicism thing, as someone who grew up Catholic myself, I'll just say: If you are into it because of the culture and all, or you take comfort in the ritualistic aspects of it, I get that. But if the goal is to be part of a "form of Christianity," Catholicism is directly incompatible with what it means to be a Christian, so I don't get that. But I'll just leave it at that for purposes of this thread. If you want to further discuss, we can do that by PM or take it to P/R.
I'd be interested to hear more about that.
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My outlook on life is pretty twisted and bleak, but I just really would feel horrible and selfish bringing life into this cruel, fucked up, cesspool of a world. It just wouldn't be fair.
That too.
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I believe, there are no such things as accidents. We all know how Reproduction works, right.
I always liked that image floating around the web that said "A child is never a surprise or a mistake. You had unprotected sex, what did you expect? a DVD player?" :lol
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I'm not sure if this is a personal attack or whatever but how can you think that I wouldn't understand or believe my own viewpoint without knowing a thing about me?
I don't really want to get into it. You can think the world is too cruel and heartless to bring new life into all you want, but I'm sure you find all sorts of reasons to go on living, and hopefully aren't interested in dying anytime soon yourself. But in case you are and it's not just some edgy rationale, I hope you do seek out some help. People who are battling severe depression should definitely consider trying to get that under control before having kids.
That fact is totally invalid on the justification to have or not have children. I'm in this world now and you're right, people can change that but more often than not they don't. Regardless one would rather live than die doesn't mean their viewpoints on society aren't a valid enough factor in the decision not to have kids. I feel you're not open to my and Michaels viewpoint at all truthfully.
He isn't, he's just trying to justify his judgment of others because he can't comprehend our position. Telling people to get help. GTFO
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I'm not sure if this is a personal attack or whatever but how can you think that I wouldn't understand or believe my own viewpoint without knowing a thing about me?
I don't really want to get into it. You can think the world is too cruel and heartless to bring new life into all you want, but I'm sure you find all sorts of reasons to go on living, and hopefully aren't interested in dying anytime soon yourself. But in case you are and it's not just some edgy rationale, I hope you do seek out some help. People who are battling severe depression should definitely consider trying to get that under control before having kids.
That fact is totally invalid on the justification to have or not have children. I'm in this world now and you're right, people can change that but more often than not they don't. Regardless one would rather live than die doesn't mean their viewpoints on society aren't a valid enough factor in the decision not to have kids. I feel you're not open to my and Michaels viewpoint at all truthfully.
He isn't, he's just trying to justify his judgment of others because he can't comprehend our position. Telling people to get help. GTFO
I'm glad I'm not the only one that took offence at him telling people to get help.
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Well, on the other hand, I love the kids. And one of the things I love about them is that they aren't mine :lol I can enjoy their company, their absolute adorable cuteness when they're small and interacting with them when they're starting to grow up, but when they're moody or they don't want to sleep at night or they shit their pants, well, not my problem :lol
Kids and dogs both present the same problems. They're loud, they make messes, they drool, are constantly putting things in their mouths they should not be putting in their mouths. The only thing in the baby's favor is that they don't eat their own crap. Unless there's a Florida Man story I'm missing.
These are some points I was thinking about as a dog owner. People are always like "ha ha I love dogs and I get the benefit of dogs by just being around them and then I leave them to their owners who have to deal with taking them out in the morning, random vomiting at 3AM and taking them to the vet", and all I can think of is, you don't even get 5% of the cool stuff when you're not that dog's owner. Not even close. And the crappy parts are pretty marginal in comparison. So if you actually like spending time with dogs, you should get one and just deal with the crap (literally) as it comes. Yeah, it sucked every time my dog woke me up by dropping a wet rubber chew toy on my forehead, but now it's a cute party story.
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That brings up...
Do people who can't have kids get a pet, as it's human nature to nurture?
This stems from the modern society of Personifying Pets. Putting clothes on them, calling them their kids, etc...
That's why it's good to give kids, something to take care off, especially a living thing, like a plant or something similar, to teach them how to nurture and be responsible for the life you're caring for.
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I'd say yes. We have 2 cats that are our children. My wife and I tried for so long to have children including 3 times using in vitro fertilization.
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Well, on the other hand, I love the kids. And one of the things I love about them is that they aren't mine :lol I can enjoy their company, their absolute adorable cuteness when they're small and interacting with them when they're starting to grow up, but when they're moody or they don't want to sleep at night or they shit their pants, well, not my problem :lol
Kids and dogs both present the same problems. They're loud, they make messes, they drool, are constantly putting things in their mouths they should not be putting in their mouths. The only thing in the baby's favor is that they don't eat their own crap. Unless there's a Florida Man story I'm missing.
These are some points I was thinking about as a dog owner. People are always like "ha ha I love dogs and I get the benefit of dogs by just being around them and then I leave them to their owners who have to deal with taking them out in the morning, random vomiting at 3AM and taking them to the vet", and all I can think of is, you don't even get 5% of the cool stuff when you're not that dog's owner. Not even close. And the crappy parts are pretty marginal in comparison. So if you actually like spending time with dogs, you should get one and just deal with the crap (literally) as it comes. Yeah, it sucked every time my dog woke me up by dropping a wet rubber chew toy on my forehead, but now it's a cute party story.
And it absolutely did NOT suck every time they jumped up on the couch or the bed and curled up next to you when it was cold.
I was petrified of dogs up through college (I was attacked by a Weimaraner when I was like three) but for whatever reason they LOVE me. A neighbors German shepherd - easily a 70lb dog - would try to curl up on my lap as I sat on the stoop in Philly. My stepson's 50lb part pit bull, part boxer, part Lab, who had to be segregated from other dogs and most humans (my daughter and father-in-law wouldn't be in the same room with her) would literally climb up and grab my hand with her paw.
All this is to say, I think your dog analogy is spot on.
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We're at TWO no's!
THREE now!
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I've got it in my head recently that I want a big family, like 7 kids. Anyone from that situation and know how to make it work?
I know a few large families like that in our extended homeschool network. In all of them, one parent (usually, mom) stays home. A common theme I have seen is a change in perspective that the life focus is on raising the family. I don't think the income is all that high in any of those families, but they are just committed to making it work, which often means doing without some things and keeping on a strict budget.
As far as the Catholicism thing, as someone who grew up Catholic myself, I'll just say: If you are into it because of the culture and all, or you take comfort in the ritualistic aspects of it, I get that. But if the goal is to be part of a "form of Christianity," Catholicism is directly incompatible with what it means to be a Christian, so I don't get that. But I'll just leave it at that for purposes of this thread. If you want to further discuss, we can do that by PM or take it to P/R.
Well, I am a former Catholic indoctrinated in Catholicism as a young child - i.e. I didn't have a choice - but quickly fled from it as a teenager. But bringing it back to this thread, the Catholic religion requires that newly married couples have children. In fact, if your a young couple and tell the priest that you don't plan on having children, they may refuse to marry you.
So in the Catholic religion the answer would be no - it is not OK not to have children.
Granted, it's been a while, but I've never heard that ever.
Yep - it's a thing. Now I'm sure it will vary from parish to parish but my nephew and his wife were going through counseling through the church before their marriage and the priest indicated he couldn't marry them if they weren't planning on having children. They fully intended on having kids so it wasn't an issue but they were quite taken aback by the comment. I knew a couple once where the church wouldn't marry them because one of them would not convert to catholicism. Weird shit man......
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I fess up to having placed the original 'no' vote just to screw with people because I'm a mischievous imp
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I've got it in my head recently that I want a big family, like 7 kids. Anyone from that situation and know how to make it work?
I know a few large families like that in our extended homeschool network. In all of them, one parent (usually, mom) stays home. A common theme I have seen is a change in perspective that the life focus is on raising the family. I don't think the income is all that high in any of those families, but they are just committed to making it work, which often means doing without some things and keeping on a strict budget.
As far as the Catholicism thing, as someone who grew up Catholic myself, I'll just say: If you are into it because of the culture and all, or you take comfort in the ritualistic aspects of it, I get that. But if the goal is to be part of a "form of Christianity," Catholicism is directly incompatible with what it means to be a Christian, so I don't get that. But I'll just leave it at that for purposes of this thread. If you want to further discuss, we can do that by PM or take it to P/R.
Well, I am a former Catholic indoctrinated in Catholicism as a young child - i.e. I didn't have a choice - but quickly fled from it as a teenager. But bringing it back to this thread, the Catholic religion requires that newly married couples have children. In fact, if your a young couple and tell the priest that you don't plan on having children, they may refuse to marry you.
So in the Catholic religion the answer would be no - it is not OK not to have children.
Granted, it's been a while, but I've never heard that ever.
Yep - it's a thing. Now I'm sure it will vary from parish to parish but my nephew and his wife were going through counseling through the church before their marriage and the priest indicated he couldn't marry them if they weren't planning on having children. They fully intended on having kids so it wasn't an issue but they were quite taken aback by the comment. I knew a couple once where the church wouldn't marry them because one of them would not convert to catholicism. Weird shit man......
I've heard of the latter, and I have no problem with that. That's like saying "Chick-fil-A wouldn't sell them a hamburger. Weird shit man.......". The church is, after all, the church, and while I would expect some leniency on the strictness with which you PROACTIVELY follow the tenets of the church, I don't find it unusual or weird to have the CHURCH require that you actually be part of the the CHURCH.
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So in the Catholic religion the answer would be no - it is not OK not to have children.
So married people have to at least try to have children under Catholicism.
But single people have no obligation to get married. So a single Catholic who doesn't want kids just shouldn't get married. So, even on Catholicism, it's still true that it's OK if some people (e.g., single people) don't want to have kids.
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I'm not sure if this is a personal attack or whatever but how can you think that I wouldn't understand or believe my own viewpoint without knowing a thing about me?
I don't really want to get into it. You can think the world is too cruel and heartless to bring new life into all you want, but I'm sure you find all sorts of reasons to go on living, and hopefully aren't interested in dying anytime soon yourself. But in case you are and it's not just some edgy rationale, I hope you do seek out some help. People who are battling severe depression should definitely consider trying to get that under control before having kids.
That fact is totally invalid on the justification to have or not have children. I'm in this world now and you're right, people can change that but more often than not they don't. Regardless one would rather live than die doesn't mean their viewpoints on society aren't a valid enough factor in the decision not to have kids. I feel you're not open to my and Michaels viewpoint at all truthfully.
He isn't, he's just trying to justify his judgment of others because he can't comprehend our position. Telling people to get help. GTFO
I'm glad I'm not the only one that took offence at him telling people to get help.
To be fair, the "get help" part was about wanting to die...I think. I wouldn't worry about it much. I (and you other mangs) don't need to justify to anyone why I don't want kids. I just don't :metal
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So in the Catholic religion the answer would be no - it is not OK not to have children.
So married people have to at least try to have children under Catholicism.
But single people have no obligation to get married. So a single Catholic who doesn't want kids just shouldn't get married. So, even on Catholicism, it's still true that it's OK if some people (e.g., single people) don't want to have kids.
Moo point..... :natalieportman:
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I'm not sure if this is a personal attack or whatever but how can you think that I wouldn't understand or believe my own viewpoint without knowing a thing about me?
I don't really want to get into it. You can think the world is too cruel and heartless to bring new life into all you want, but I'm sure you find all sorts of reasons to go on living, and hopefully aren't interested in dying anytime soon yourself. But in case you are and it's not just some edgy rationale, I hope you do seek out some help. People who are battling severe depression should definitely consider trying to get that under control before having kids.
That fact is totally invalid on the justification to have or not have children. I'm in this world now and you're right, people can change that but more often than not they don't. Regardless one would rather live than die doesn't mean their viewpoints on society aren't a valid enough factor in the decision not to have kids. I feel you're not open to my and Michaels viewpoint at all truthfully.
He isn't, he's just trying to justify his judgment of others because he can't comprehend our position. Telling people to get help. GTFO
I'm glad I'm not the only one that took offence at him telling people to get help.
To be fair, the "get help" part was about wanting to die...I think. I wouldn't worry about it much. I (and you other mangs) don't need to justify to anyone why I don't want kids. I just don't :metal
You just summed it up really. One can think it's the human evolution to have kids, but exactly, we don't need to justify to anyone our decision, simple.
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Forget kids.
Have cats.
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Or guitars :)
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Or guitars :)
:metal
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Cats and guitars
But Absolutely Positively ZERO kids or Dogs.
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Cats and guitars
But Absolutely Positively ZERO kids or Dogs.
:angry:
I wouldn't mind a dawg.
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Allergic to cats.
I'll take guitars, babies, and dogs.
I'll send you all the cats though Kotow.
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Having a baby AND a dog in the same house would be a nightmare.
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Having a baby AND a dog in the same house would be a nightmare.
Aaaahhh, the sweet sounds of children crying and dawgs barking. How could you not want such a gift? :biggrin:
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I want frogs.
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I want frogs.
Hypnotoad
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I want frogs.
Hypnotoad
Bulbasour
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You spelled it incorrectly. Does it sting that I pointed that out?
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(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/hLy54NgZAjiuzIoLvhGfYkHOpQoan2QY2W1Pza2D5SgAgW5QyEDHb4QK-73sSFAbC9VWG6j-HIrlFCDszLugyNmFsbUuqAcdk---SMtjqodMgSZXfehYt8ReCYz975CoFL4zBavB9NR1QsRCeUB2NM6eKodovr5WXx0)
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*My best Russian voice*
*Stings like bull breathing in cold with no vodka*
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No idea where that's from. :lol
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Not from anything. You git.
That insult was.
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:facepalm:
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:lol
Love you too babe.
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I've got it in my head recently that I want a big family, like 7 kids. Anyone from that situation and know how to make it work?
I know a few large families like that in our extended homeschool network. In all of them, one parent (usually, mom) stays home. A common theme I have seen is a change in perspective that the life focus is on raising the family. I don't think the income is all that high in any of those families, but they are just committed to making it work, which often means doing without some things and keeping on a strict budget.
As far as the Catholicism thing, as someone who grew up Catholic myself, I'll just say: If you are into it because of the culture and all, or you take comfort in the ritualistic aspects of it, I get that. But if the goal is to be part of a "form of Christianity," Catholicism is directly incompatible with what it means to be a Christian, so I don't get that. But I'll just leave it at that for purposes of this thread. If you want to further discuss, we can do that by PM or take it to P/R.
I'm going to leave the other thread alone because I don't really find those kind of discussions to be worthwhile, i.e., what counts as "real Christianity". Of course this puts me at odds with traditionalist Catholics too who seemed to like nothing better than calling everything they don't like "heresy". But the first part of this post is true, a lot of people are Catholics because it's what they were born into and they don't necessarily want to leave for somewhere else just because they might not like a few things about Catholicism, so I do think H2 will be a little bit disappointed upon converting especially if he realizes that most Catholics are much more practical than the hardline teachings would suggest.
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Allergic to cats.
I'll take guitars, babies, and dogs.
I'll send you all the cats though Kotow.
Can I have some cats too?
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I want frogs.
Hypnotoad
Bulbasour
That's a great name for a sour ale actually.
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Having a baby AND a dog in the same house would be a nightmare.
Aaaahhh, the sweet sounds of children crying and dawgs barking. How could you not want such a gift? :biggrin:
Where do you guys live if people don't teach dogs not to bark in the house there? :rollin
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Nobody gives a fuck around here.
Because " wE dOnT DeSeRve DoGsssssssssssssssssss"
People let their shitty dogs get away with everything
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The funny thing is - the dog that goes apeshit when you walk past its house - if you got inside the house and approached it - that dog would SHIT ITSELF. :D
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" wE dOnT DeSeRve DoGsssssssssssssssssss"
Oh man, I hate people who act like this. For two years we fostered puppies and had dog daycare/dog sitting business out of our home, which Covid basically killed. We had probably around 100 different dogs in our home at various times. Many of the dogs were great, but more of them were annoying little shits. Barking at everything, needing constant attention, pooping/peeing/puking on the floor, extreme separation anxiety, etc. Many of the dogs I felt were not worth the money we made off of them. Dog owners are more blind to their dogs annoying behavior than parents are for sure. All parents think their kids can be little shits at times. I've never heard a dog owner say anything but good things about their dogs.
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You usually get out of dogs what you put into them (which is not the case with cats and children). That's why people don't complain about their dogs' annoying behavior, they're aware that it reflects badly on them. Like, yeah, there is a Cult of Dog on social media especially, but there is also a practical reason why people don't complain about their dogs, they're self aware enough not to do that.
If dealing with dogs' physiological and psychological needs in an unfamiliar situation is annoying, maybe it's a blessing in disguise that COVID killed that business? At least you don't have to do that anymore.
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Completely agree on getting out of data what you out into them. Honestly I think some dog owners want their dogs to be needy and dependent on them. It makes them feel wanted and important. I think you largely get out what you out into kids as well, but maybe a little less than with dogs.
Yeah, it was certainly a blessing that Covid killed our business. While the money was nice, we were burnt out on it and needed a break. We had a baby a few days ago and we're always planning on taking a few months off, but I think we're just completely done with it at this point.
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I've got it in my head recently that I want a big family, like 7 kids. Anyone from that situation and know how to make it work?
I know a few large families like that in our extended homeschool network. In all of them, one parent (usually, mom) stays home. A common theme I have seen is a change in perspective that the life focus is on raising the family. I don't think the income is all that high in any of those families, but they are just committed to making it work, which often means doing without some things and keeping on a strict budget.
As far as the Catholicism thing, as someone who grew up Catholic myself, I'll just say: If you are into it because of the culture and all, or you take comfort in the ritualistic aspects of it, I get that. But if the goal is to be part of a "form of Christianity," Catholicism is directly incompatible with what it means to be a Christian, so I don't get that. But I'll just leave it at that for purposes of this thread. If you want to further discuss, we can do that by PM or take it to P/R.
I'm going to leave the other thread alone because I don't really find those kind of discussions to be worthwhile, i.e., what counts as "real Christianity". Of course this puts me at odds with traditionalist Catholics too who seemed to like nothing better than calling everything they don't like "heresy". But the first part of this post is true, a lot of people are Catholics because it's what they were born into and they don't necessarily want to leave for somewhere else just because they might not like a few things about Catholicism, so I do think H2 will be a little bit disappointed upon converting especially if he realizes that most Catholics are much more practical than the hardline teachings would suggest.
Thanks, I am certainly noticing the lack of concern for actual meaning of religious practice and belief amongst Catholics. This is not helped much by the fact that, judging from the parishes I've visited, there does not seem to be a strong attempt from the leadership to change this. Websites are incomplete, technological communication tools are shoddy (microphones, speaker systems), and the content of the homilies I've heard are platitudinous and passionless. This has not been ubiquitous in my experience of Catholic services, but it is prevalent. And lots of people there who are just there just because. It's as though teaching and understanding are secondary to the creation of a reverential vibe, which is backwards IMO.
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I've got it in my head recently that I want a big family, like 7 kids. Anyone from that situation and know how to make it work?
I know a few large families like that in our extended homeschool network. In all of them, one parent (usually, mom) stays home. A common theme I have seen is a change in perspective that the life focus is on raising the family. I don't think the income is all that high in any of those families, but they are just committed to making it work, which often means doing without some things and keeping on a strict budget.
As far as the Catholicism thing, as someone who grew up Catholic myself, I'll just say: If you are into it because of the culture and all, or you take comfort in the ritualistic aspects of it, I get that. But if the goal is to be part of a "form of Christianity," Catholicism is directly incompatible with what it means to be a Christian, so I don't get that. But I'll just leave it at that for purposes of this thread. If you want to further discuss, we can do that by PM or take it to P/R.
I'm going to leave the other thread alone because I don't really find those kind of discussions to be worthwhile, i.e., what counts as "real Christianity". Of course this puts me at odds with traditionalist Catholics too who seemed to like nothing better than calling everything they don't like "heresy". But the first part of this post is true, a lot of people are Catholics because it's what they were born into and they don't necessarily want to leave for somewhere else just because they might not like a few things about Catholicism, so I do think H2 will be a little bit disappointed upon converting especially if he realizes that most Catholics are much more practical than the hardline teachings would suggest.
Thanks, I am certainly noticing the lack of concern for actual meaning of religious practice and belief amongst Catholics. This is not helped much by the fact that, judging from the parishes I've visited, there does not seem to be a strong attempt from the leadership to change this. Websites are incomplete, technological communication tools are shoddy (microphones, speaker systems), and the content of the homilies I've heard are platitudinous and passionless. This has not been ubiquitous in my experience of Catholic services, but it is prevalent. And lots of people there who are just there just because. It's as though teaching and understanding are secondary to the creation of a reverential vibe, which is backwards IMO.
Just as data point, not argument, but both of your experiences of Catholicism are somewhat different than mine (I feel like Kate McKinnon in that alien skit on SNL). I don't argue with the "reverential vibe" - that seems to be slightly more prevalent than the "let's party" vibe that other sects sometimes try to adopt (presumably to respond to the youth and the social media age). There are always people that reject things they don't like as "heresay", but that's not exclusive to Catholicism. There IS ritual, though, and I think that gets mistaken as "platitudinous and passionless". I can't speak for anyone else, but when I go into church, I'm not looking for a Youtube video, I'm looking for comfort, stability, reliability, commonality. FOR ME (in caps, because I recognize I'm speaking only for me) I'm not looking for a spiritual explosion; I'm looking to get AWAY from a spiritual explosion and looking for some grounding.
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I've got it in my head recently that I want a big family, like 7 kids. Anyone from that situation and know how to make it work?
I know a few large families like that in our extended homeschool network. In all of them, one parent (usually, mom) stays home. A common theme I have seen is a change in perspective that the life focus is on raising the family. I don't think the income is all that high in any of those families, but they are just committed to making it work, which often means doing without some things and keeping on a strict budget.
As far as the Catholicism thing, as someone who grew up Catholic myself, I'll just say: If you are into it because of the culture and all, or you take comfort in the ritualistic aspects of it, I get that. But if the goal is to be part of a "form of Christianity," Catholicism is directly incompatible with what it means to be a Christian, so I don't get that. But I'll just leave it at that for purposes of this thread. If you want to further discuss, we can do that by PM or take it to P/R.
I'm going to leave the other thread alone because I don't really find those kind of discussions to be worthwhile, i.e., what counts as "real Christianity". Of course this puts me at odds with traditionalist Catholics too who seemed to like nothing better than calling everything they don't like "heresy". But the first part of this post is true, a lot of people are Catholics because it's what they were born into and they don't necessarily want to leave for somewhere else just because they might not like a few things about Catholicism, so I do think H2 will be a little bit disappointed upon converting especially if he realizes that most Catholics are much more practical than the hardline teachings would suggest.
That could be cause those who are a devout catholic, see Catholicism as their Identity and who they are. They understand, this is who I am, This is where my tree lies, and this is how I should live. They found their answer to the life-long question of "Who Am I?"
I know Who I Am...and Where I'm From....How many people can truly answer that question, with factual information like DNA and Ancestry. It's why these DNA sites exist, because people are wanting to know "Who Am I?"
" wE dOnT DeSeRve DoGsssssssssssssssssss"
Oh man, I hate people who act like this. For two years we fostered puppies and had dog daycare/dog sitting business out of our home, which Covid basically killed. We had probably around 100 different dogs in our home at various times. Many of the dogs were great, but more of them were annoying little shits. Barking at everything, needing constant attention, pooping/peeing/puking on the floor, extreme separation anxiety, etc. Many of the dogs I felt were not worth the money we made off of them. Dog owners are more blind to their dogs annoying behavior than parents are for sure. All parents think their kids can be little shits at times. I've never heard a dog owner say anything but good things about their dogs.
Haha, it's completely opposite on the Rez. We know our dogs are little shits, and get into things. We let our dogs roam free. They're known as Rez Dogs...
So...I am just sitting here completely laughing my ass off at the dog dicsussion. :rollin
Don't even get me started on the people that say "Oh, my boy, my baby, my son, my daughter, my kids" when they're talking about their dog(s).
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Completely agree on getting out of data what you out into them. Honestly I think some dog owners want their dogs to be needy and dependent on them. It makes them feel wanted and important. I think you largely get out what you out into kids as well, but maybe a little less than with dogs.
Yeah, it was certainly a blessing that Covid killed our business. While the money was nice, we were burnt out on it and needed a break. We had a baby a few days ago and we're always planning on taking a few months off, but I think we're just completely done with it at this point.
It's fascinating how some people don't even understand the concept of Animals and how they have their own brains and can think for themselves and act for themselves. Especially Wild Animals, people treat them like they're a pet. Then wonder why that animal charged at them, bit them, or you know, Shot it's Stink in your face. It's being completely unaware of Nature, and I find that a fascinating concept about People's Mindsets.
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BenJamin, just want to say you have a fascinating way of capitalizing different nouns. :lol It's like reading the Founding Fathers.
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BenJamin, just want to say you have a fascinating way of capitalizing different nouns. :lol It's like reading the Founding Fathers.
I don't why I do it, I guess it's an emphasis thing, instead of Bolding to highlight important words or phrases. :lol
Could be because I have that train of thought and don't want to lose it.
I'll try and not do that as much, if it does bother some grammar people... :biggrin:
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Don't even get me started on the people that say "Oh, my boy, my baby, my son, my daughter, my kids" when they're talking about their dog(s).
Big fucking pet peeve!!!!
First of all, the dog has a mother. Unless you found a litter of puppies, fed them through a bottle and taught them how to be dogs and you will keep them forever, you are not their mother or father or anything of the sort. Second of all, the language. "We found this little girl in the trash can!" My heart skips a beat. You found a little girl in the trash can? Picture of puppy. I'm still horrified, but now I am also annoyed, congratulations.
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Just as data point, not argument, but both of your experiences of Catholicism are somewhat different than mine (I feel like Kate McKinnon in that alien skit on SNL). I don't argue with the "reverential vibe" - that seems to be slightly more prevalent than the "let's party" vibe that other sects sometimes try to adopt (presumably to respond to the youth and the social media age). There are always people that reject things they don't like as "heresay", but that's not exclusive to Catholicism. There IS ritual, though, and I think that gets mistaken as "platitudinous and passionless". I can't speak for anyone else, but when I go into church, I'm not looking for a Youtube video, I'm looking for comfort, stability, reliability, commonality. FOR ME (in caps, because I recognize I'm speaking only for me) I'm not looking for a spiritual explosion; I'm looking to get AWAY from a spiritual explosion and looking for some grounding.
I like this and can totally see the appeal. As a British atheist, I love being in churches. I love the architecture and history, certainly, but the feel of the places is so calming too. Must be incredible to feel an existential peace too. I'm barely ever in services but I also feel we miss the sense of togetherness and community as people who don't actively attend temples.
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Literally every time I see a pile of dog shit on the pavement or hear a dog barking at nothing for several minutes - or see dogs go fucking apeshit for no reason
other than they saw each other - I always go ::) We don't deserrrrrrrrve dogsssssss in a super sarcastic voice.
" Oh but we have guide dogs and sniffer dogs and bomb dogs - they are literal angelsssssssssssssss "
:loser: Were they born with these skills ? NO
Did WE teach them all these things ? YES.
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I love dogs, and animals in general, but I am happy none of my neighbors have that annoying barking dog that keeps the neighborhood awake.
Growing up we had small dogs, the annoying barking type. I loved them, but I know they were still annoying af at times. Personally, if I ever get a dog (never had one myself, always just the family pets growing up) I'd go for a bit of a bigger dog that has better temperament.
But I may just stick with cats, my cat can certainly be an ass, but he's pretty damn easy to deal with and shows plenty of affection. Certainly won't ever bother anyone outside my home.
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Another dog lover here. Life-long owner of dogs. I will never not have a dog, and in fact, we always have at least 2 dogs. We love them dearly and they love us dearly and unconditionally and as we say here in New England, "it's pissah" :biggrin:
My son has 3 dogs and two very young children and his house is a wonderful mixture of chaos, fun and love.
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Don't even get me started on the people that say "Oh, my boy, my baby, my son, my daughter, my kids" when they're talking about their dog(s).
Big fucking pet peeve!!!!
First of all, the dog has a mother. Unless you found a litter of puppies, fed them through a bottle and taught them how to be dogs and you will keep them forever, you are not their mother or father or anything of the sort. Second of all, the language. "We found this little girl in the trash can!" My heart skips a beat. You found a little girl in the trash can? Picture of puppy. I'm still horrified, but now I am also annoyed, congratulations.
I'm going to disagree. My wife and I tried to have children over a decade. We even tried In Vitro 3 times. We just couldn't have children. So for us, our 2 cats are our children. Harry & Sally are now 16 years old. That's a long time in our lives. They to us, are our children.
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Don't even get me started on the people that say "Oh, my boy, my baby, my son, my daughter, my kids" when they're talking about their dog(s).
Big fucking pet peeve!!!!
First of all, the dog has a mother. Unless you found a litter of puppies, fed them through a bottle and taught them how to be dogs and you will keep them forever, you are not their mother or father or anything of the sort. Second of all, the language. "We found this little girl in the trash can!" My heart skips a beat. You found a little girl in the trash can? Picture of puppy. I'm still horrified, but now I am also annoyed, congratulations.
I'm going to disagree. My wife and I tried to have children over a decade. We even tried In Vitro 3 times. We just couldn't have children. So for us, our 2 cats are our children. Harry & Sally are now 16 years old. That's a long time in our lives. They to us, are our children.
I did not have children with my current wife. We've been married 20 years, we decided early on we weren't going to have any kids because we were both already almost 40 when we tied the knot. I have a son from a 1 night stand in 1984 who I didn't have a relationship with at all until last year. I also have two grandkids and they're great and I'm grateful to have managed to find a way to have a relationship with them, but our dogs are definitely very much like our children. If someone finds that offensive I think it says more about where THEY are at in THEIR lives than it does about mine.
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Dog is god spelled backwards. Some people have doggies, we have Goddies!! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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Don't even get me started on the people that say "Oh, my boy, my baby, my son, my daughter, my kids" when they're talking about their dog(s).
Big fucking pet peeve!!!!
First of all, the dog has a mother. Unless you found a litter of puppies, fed them through a bottle and taught them how to be dogs and you will keep them forever, you are not their mother or father or anything of the sort. Second of all, the language. "We found this little girl in the trash can!" My heart skips a beat. You found a little girl in the trash can? Picture of puppy. I'm still horrified, but now I am also annoyed, congratulations.
I'm going to disagree. My wife and I tried to have children over a decade. We even tried In Vitro 3 times. We just couldn't have children. So for us, our 2 cats are our children. Harry & Sally are now 16 years old. That's a long time in our lives. They to us, are our children.
I did not have children with my current wife. We've been married 20 years, we decided early on we weren't going to have any kids because we were both already almost 40 when we tied the knot. I have a son from a 1 night stand in 1984 who I didn't have a relationship with at all until last year. I also have two grandkids and they're great and I'm grateful to have managed to find a way to have a relationship with them, but our dogs are definitely very much like our children. If someone finds that offensive I think it says more about where THEY are at in THEIR lives than it does about mine.
Some people can separate that and not be upset that they don't or can't have children. That's not me and obvious you Barry. I respect their choice and they choice respect our feelings towards this.
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Dog is god spelled backwards. Some people have doggies, we have Goddies!! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Your goddies sometimes eat their own poo
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Dog is god spelled backwards. Some people have doggies, we have Goddies!! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
That makes zero sense
but sometimes when I see a car with a dog in the passenger seat I joke to myself - it needs a bumper sticker saying " Dog is my co-pilot "...
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I'm glad this is a dog thread now. I love dogs, but I don't think my current life style can really support one.
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I wish to clarify my stance on dogs
Dogs with good owners are good doggos that I enjoy very much
Dogs with bad owners are probably good doggos but I do not like them
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Don't even get me started on the people that say "Oh, my boy, my baby, my son, my daughter, my kids" when they're talking about their dog(s).
Big fucking pet peeve!!!!
First of all, the dog has a mother. Unless you found a litter of puppies, fed them through a bottle and taught them how to be dogs and you will keep them forever, you are not their mother or father or anything of the sort. Second of all, the language. "We found this little girl in the trash can!" My heart skips a beat. You found a little girl in the trash can? Picture of puppy. I'm still horrified, but now I am also annoyed, congratulations.
I'm going to disagree. My wife and I tried to have children over a decade. We even tried In Vitro 3 times. We just couldn't have children. So for us, our 2 cats are our children. Harry & Sally are now 16 years old. That's a long time in our lives. They to us, are our children.
I respect this, and have nothing against this reason for calling your pets, your son/daughter.