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Title: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: WildRanger on October 26, 2020, 09:33:40 AM
Which popular and beloved Rush song do you prefer and why?

Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 26, 2020, 09:51:25 AM
Red Barchetta...

Love this song because the music describes that feeling of Driving a Red Barchetta. The Opening Harmonics, are like a young Neil, discovering the Red Barchetta. Then the middle section gets even better, as Neil, takes it for a spin, and sees how lovely the car is. "Wind In My Hair..." The music underneath perfectly describes that feeling of Pushing the Pedal.

Freewill is ok. But, the overplaying of it ruined it for me. The unfortunate effect of overplaying on Radio, and everywhere else in general. I'm actually like that to a lot of Radio Hits, Singles, and the like.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: The Walrus on October 26, 2020, 09:54:54 AM
Freewill.

I like Red Barchetta but it's about cars and I honestly can't think of something I care less about than cars, except maybe Archer.

EDIT: I also hate that they don't spell this out as two words.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: HOF on October 26, 2020, 10:42:52 AM
I choose not to decide.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: Zantera on October 26, 2020, 10:52:10 AM
I think Freewill is the better song overall but the main guitar riff in Red Barchetta (once it takes off) is killer.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: pg1067 on October 26, 2020, 11:24:44 AM
I went with Red Barchetta, but it's SUPER close.

Both are prime examples of Rush's ability to condense an epic prog song into a relatively compact song form.  Freewill is a bit more of a straightforward verse, chorus, verse, chorus, solo, verse, chorus format, but Freewill has that epic solo section where it feels like the three instruments are soloing at the same time.  The satisfaction I gained when I finally nailed that section on bass was something I'll always remember.  Lyrically, the two songs are very different, with Freewill being more of a philosophical dissertation, while Red Barchetta tells a great story.  The way Neil was able to condense that R&T article into a six minute song with background, building tension and the release at the end is just masterful.  Red Barchetta is one of the best songs for translating a car theme into the music itself.

Ultimately, I think Barchetta is just a slightly better song, but like I said, it's super close.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on October 26, 2020, 11:28:30 AM
I love Freewill, but Red Barchetta is a special song.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: TAC on October 26, 2020, 11:29:12 AM
I choose not to decide.

 :lol
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: emtee on October 26, 2020, 11:48:27 AM
You still have made a choice.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: HOF on October 26, 2020, 11:51:20 AM
You still have made a choice.

Well shoot, I will choose Freewill I guess.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: HOF on October 26, 2020, 11:58:57 AM
Truthfully, I’d probably give a slight edge to Red Barchetta just because I think it’s had a little bigger impact on my Rush fandom and it’s a really unique song. But the instrumental section in Freewill is really great.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: Stadler on October 26, 2020, 12:22:21 PM
I never really cottoned to Freewill, or Permanent Waves in general.  It's always been lesser to that which came before (Hemispheres) and that which came after (Moving Pictures).

For me, this isn't close:  Red Barchetta, one of my favorite Rush tunes from one of my favorite Rush albums.  While I respect Neal's lyricism, some of his words are a miss for me (personally).  But I'm a car guy, and this is not one of them.  I love the picture he paints, I love the imagery, and I love the way the music carries that narrative forward.   Listen to the way the rhythm changes and Alex's tone changes as the description of the "driving" begins; even the guitar before the bridge seems to simulate the changing of gears, and the driving rhythm of the "wind in my hair" section perfectly captures the "adrenaline surge" Geddy is singing about. 

Guess what I'm listening to now!   
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: hunnus2000 on October 26, 2020, 12:23:32 PM
In the movie Caligula, Caesar's father asked him which he preferred, the flesh of the man or the flesh of the woman to wit Caligula answered, 'why not both'?

Anyway, that's how I feel about these songs, 'why not both'? Red Barchetta's solo section gives me goose bumps but Freewill has me pumping fists and singing along with the chorus. It's a wash.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: WildRanger on October 26, 2020, 01:06:28 PM
I never really cottoned to Freewill, or Permanent Waves in general.  It's always been lesser to that which came before (Hemispheres) and that which came after (Moving Pictures).

For me, this isn't close:  Red Barchetta, one of my favorite Rush tunes from one of my favorite Rush albums.

Spirit of the Radio vs. Limelight?

Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: Snow Dog on October 26, 2020, 01:36:55 PM

Spirit of the Radio vs. Limelight?

Do NOT get this debate started again...  :lol

As for the original question, Freewill for me, easily.  Red Barchetta is good, but Freewill just has that extra oomph for me that puts it over the edge.  And opposite of Stadler, I prefer PeW over MP as well for some reason.  Plus I tend to like Neil's philosophical lyrics better than his storytelling ones as well.

One thing that has always bugged me about Red Barchetta, though, is at least on the album version, the "Adrenaline surge" line is sung about as blandly and unenthusiastically as it could be to my ears.  I don't know necessarily how to have fixed that, whether it would be singing it in a higher octave or with a slightly different, more emotive melody, but as it stands on the album, it just seems it could be better...
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: WildRanger on October 26, 2020, 01:49:37 PM
I never really cottoned to Freewill, or Permanent Waves in general.

Isn't Natural Science among most beloved Rush tunes in your book?


Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: Stadler on October 26, 2020, 02:10:45 PM
I never really cottoned to Freewill, or Permanent Waves in general.  It's always been lesser to that which came before (Hemispheres) and that which came after (Moving Pictures).

For me, this isn't close:  Red Barchetta, one of my favorite Rush tunes from one of my favorite Rush albums.

Spirit of the Radio vs. Limelight?

Limelight >>> Spirit Of Radio >> Spirit Of The Radio.

:)
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: jjrock88 on October 26, 2020, 02:12:30 PM
Red Barchetta, mostly because Moving Pictures is one of my top albums.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: Stadler on October 26, 2020, 02:13:40 PM
I never really cottoned to Freewill, or Permanent Waves in general.

Isn't Natural Science among most beloved Rush tunes in your book?

Good not great.  Jacob's Ladder is by FAR my favorite song on that album.  Then Different Strings, then Entre Nous.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on October 26, 2020, 02:33:10 PM
Red Barchetta easily. I like Freewill but it's probably one of the weaker songs on its album.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: Anguyen92 on October 26, 2020, 02:40:29 PM
Honestly, I always found Freewill to be my least favorite of the mainstream well-known Rush songs and I like Red Barchetta in general, so this is a no brainer of a pick.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: HOF on October 26, 2020, 02:41:12 PM
I never really cottoned to Freewill, or Permanent Waves in general.

Isn't Natural Science among most beloved Rush tunes in your book?

Good not great.  Jacob's Ladder is by FAR the best song on that album.  Then Different Strings, then Entre Nous.

Jacob’s Ladder is by far my LEAST favorite on Permanent Waves (it’s not bad, more weird and I like the other songs better). Also love Different Strings and Entre Nous!
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: hunnus2000 on October 26, 2020, 02:41:40 PM
Red Barchetta easily. I like Freewill but it's probably one of the weaker songs on its album.

What????  :facepalm:

Are ya daft man?  :loser:
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: pg1067 on October 26, 2020, 03:01:57 PM
I never really cottoned to Freewill, or Permanent Waves in general.

Isn't Natural Science among most beloved Rush tunes in your book?

Good not great.  Jacob's Ladder is by FAR the best song on that album.  Then Different Strings, then Entre Nous.

"[M]ost beloved . . . in your book"?  Sometimes I think WR intentionally phrases stuff in this way.

I would say that, among Rush fans in general, TSOR and Freewill are generally the favorite/"most beloved" songs on PEW.  Among folks on this forum, however, Natural Science and Jacob's Ladder are at the top.  In the recently completed Rush survivor, the rankings for PEW turned out as follows:

1. Natural Science (never received a single vote until the final round
2. Jacob's Ladder (received 14/20 votes in round 5)
3. The Spirit of Radio (received 13/22 votes in round 4)
4. Freewill (received 13/21 votes in round 3)
5. Entre Nous (received 15/18 votes in round 2)
6. Different Strings (received 11/19 votes in round 1)

In the finals, Natural Science finished in the #1 spot, and Jacob's Ladder finished in the #6 spot.  Somewhat surprisingly, The Spirit of Radio finished ahead of Jacob's Ladder in the #5 spot.  PEW and MP were the only albums to get three songs in the finals, and only PEW placed all three songs in the top 10.

My personal rankings are the same as above, except that I would flip TSOR and Freewill, and NS and JL are a 1a/1b sort of thing.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: WildRanger on October 26, 2020, 03:09:02 PM
I like Freewill but it's probably one of the weaker songs on its album.

Nah
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 26, 2020, 03:19:40 PM
Six of one, half dozen of the other.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: wolfking on October 26, 2020, 03:22:17 PM
I will choose Freewill.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: The Walrus on October 26, 2020, 03:23:37 PM
I like Freewill but it's probably one of the weaker songs on its album.

Nah

But is it objectively weaker than the rest?
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: hunnus2000 on October 26, 2020, 03:25:11 PM
I think it's absolutely  stupid to call any song weaker than another song on any album from any one group without explaining why. BUT - if you don't like a song that's OK but realize there are some songs that are your trash that are someone else's treasure. Sheez... :\
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: WildRanger on October 26, 2020, 03:47:32 PM

But is it objectively weaker than the rest?

Of course not. I can't imagine Freewill being weaker than Different Strings and Entre Nous.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: WildRanger on October 26, 2020, 03:52:20 PM
I don't think PeW has any weak tracks. Natural Science, Freewill, The Spirit of Radio and Jacob's Ladder are really great and Entre Nous and Different String are weaker than those 4 songs by a fair margin, but they are still decent songs.



Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: The Walrus on October 26, 2020, 04:18:04 PM

But is it objectively weaker than the rest?

Of course not. I can't imagine Freewill being weaker than Different Strings and Entre Nous.

Why?
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on October 26, 2020, 04:48:41 PM
I think it's absolutely  stupid to call any song weaker than another song on any album from any one group without explaining why. BUT - if you don't like a song that's OK but realize there are some songs that are your trash that are someone else's treasure. Sheez... :\

Not sure if this is directed at me. But as I said, I like Freewill. Truthfully PW doesn't have a dud on it. It's one of my all time favorite Rush albums and I think it's super consistent and solid, so I think Freewill being among my least favorite tracks on that album speaks more to how good the album itself is.

I don't even think I have any specific issues with Freewill. Maybe it's a bit by the book? Even that's a stretch. I just think most of the rest of PW has a little more to offer.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: TAC on October 26, 2020, 05:01:15 PM
For me, this isn't close:  Red Barchetta, one of my favorite Rush tunes from one of my favorite Rush albums.  While I respect Neal's lyricism, some of his words are a miss for me (personally).  But I'm a car guy, and this is not one of them.  I love the picture he paints, I love the imagery, and I love the way the music carries that narrative forward.   Listen to the way the rhythm changes and Alex's tone changes as the description of the "driving" begins; even the guitar before the bridge seems to simulate the changing of gears, and the driving rhythm of the "wind in my hair" section perfectly captures the "adrenaline surge" Geddy is singing about. 

All of this!
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: Eldomm on October 27, 2020, 12:50:13 AM
For me, this isn't close:  Red Barchetta, one of my favorite Rush tunes from one of my favorite Rush albums.  While I respect Neal's lyricism, some of his words are a miss for me (personally).  But I'm a car guy, and this is not one of them.  I love the picture he paints, I love the imagery, and I love the way the music carries that narrative forward.   Listen to the way the rhythm changes and Alex's tone changes as the description of the "driving" begins; even the guitar before the bridge seems to simulate the changing of gears, and the driving rhythm of the "wind in my hair" section perfectly captures the "adrenaline surge" Geddy is singing about. 

All of this!

+1
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: Elite on October 27, 2020, 05:59:05 AM

But is it objectively weaker than the rest?

Of course not. I can't imagine Freewill being weaker than Different Strings and Entre Nous.

Why?

Now this is a good question!





Also Red Barchetta.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: Nekov on October 27, 2020, 06:07:02 AM
I think Red Barchetta is a fantastic song. I also think Freewill is one of Rush's most overrated songs.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: Mladen on October 27, 2020, 06:43:28 AM
I think Red Barchetta is a fantastic song. I also think Freewill is one of Rush's most overrated songs.
This, but reversed. I mean, Red Barchetta is good, but not that good.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: jammindude on October 27, 2020, 06:45:01 AM
I’m not a car guy by any stretch. But the car in Red Barchetta is really a McGuffin to me anyway. To me the song is more about freedom.

I love Freewill, but RB is the better song for many of the reasons stated.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: WildRanger on October 27, 2020, 08:07:28 AM

But is it objectively weaker than the rest?

Of course not. I can't imagine Freewill being weaker than Different Strings and Entre Nous.

Why?

Freewill is musically a much richer and more interesting song than DS and EN, there is a lot more going on in Freewill (section with intertwining of bass and guitar solo is extraordinary). 
Different Strings is the weakest link on PeW. It's not a bad song, but it's nothing more than decent ordinary Rush ballad.

Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: The Walrus on October 27, 2020, 08:14:17 AM

But is it objectively weaker than the rest?

Of course not. I can't imagine Freewill being weaker than Different Strings and Entre Nous.

Why?

Freewill is musically a much richer and more interesting song than DS and EN, there is a lot more going on in Freewill (section with intertwining of bass and guitar solo is extraordinary). 
Different Strings is the weakest link on PeW. It's not a bad song, but it's nothing more than decent ordinary Rush ballad.

Is Different Strings objectively the weakest link on PeW? Is Freewill better than Limelight? Why or why not?
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: ZirconBlue on October 27, 2020, 09:28:15 AM
Philosophically, I prefer Freewill, but, musically, I pick Red Barchetta.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: pg1067 on October 27, 2020, 09:47:23 AM
Is Different Strings objectively the weakest link on PeW?

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Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: Stadler on October 27, 2020, 01:31:42 PM

But is it objectively weaker than the rest?

Of course not. I can't imagine Freewill being weaker than Different Strings and Entre Nous.

Why?

Freewill is musically a much richer and more interesting song than DS and EN, there is a lot more going on in Freewill (section with intertwining of bass and guitar solo is extraordinary). 
Different Strings is the weakest link on PeW. It's not a bad song, but it's nothing more than decent ordinary Rush ballad.

No.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: Stadler on October 27, 2020, 01:37:20 PM
I think it's absolutely  stupid to call any song weaker than another song on any album from any one group without explaining why. BUT - if you don't like a song that's OK but realize there are some songs that are your trash that are someone else's treasure. Sheez... :\

Not sure if this is directed at me. But as I said, I like Freewill. Truthfully PW doesn't have a dud on it. It's one of my all time favorite Rush albums and I think it's super consistent and solid, so I think Freewill being among my least favorite tracks on that album speaks more to how good the album itself is.

I don't even think I have any specific issues with Freewill. Maybe it's a bit by the book? Even that's a stretch. I just think most of the rest of PW has a little more to offer.

The funny thing is, PeW doesn't suck.  There are no "duds" on it, and it IS very consistent.  Consistently a 7 for me.  There's no song on PeW that makes me forget what I'm doing and start air-drumming (Tom Sawyer; La Villa Strangiato), there's no song that gives me goose bumps (The Camera Eye, La Villa Strangiato), there's no song that makes me hit repeat and listen to that sumnabitch again and again (Subdivisions, La Villa Strangiato).  It's a very good album by a very good band.   Of the songs on that record, I rate them:

Jacob's Ladders
Different Strings
Entre Nous
Natural Science
Freewill
Spirit Of Radio
The Spirit Of The Radio
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: Elite on October 27, 2020, 01:42:53 PM
Spirit Of Radio
The Spirit Of The Radio

:lol
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: WildRanger on October 28, 2020, 09:12:49 AM
Red Barchetta is winning by a landslide (30:11).
I'm quite surprised.


Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 28, 2020, 09:53:16 AM
Well, it could be because Red Barchetta is on the best selling Rush album of all time.  Not only that, it's one of their best songs.  RB is easily the definitive choice without taking anything away from Freewill.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: The Walrus on October 28, 2020, 09:59:56 AM
Well, it could be because Red Barchetta is on the best selling Rush album of all time.  Not only that, it's one of their best songs.  RB is easily the definitive choice without taking anything away from Freewill.

Disagree, Red Barchetta wouldn't even enter my top fifty Rush songs.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: Lowdz on October 28, 2020, 10:49:16 AM
Red Barchetta. I just love the storytelling of it, in words and music. Nothing wrong with Freewill - it's a great song.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: hunnus2000 on October 28, 2020, 11:00:10 AM
I think it's absolutely  stupid to call any song weaker than another song on any album from any one group without explaining why. BUT - if you don't like a song that's OK but realize there are some songs that are your trash that are someone else's treasure. Sheez... :\

Not sure if this is directed at me. But as I said, I like Freewill. Truthfully PW doesn't have a dud on it. It's one of my all time favorite Rush albums and I think it's super consistent and solid, so I think Freewill being among my least favorite tracks on that album speaks more to how good the album itself is.

I don't even think I have any specific issues with Freewill. Maybe it's a bit by the book? Even that's a stretch. I just think most of the rest of PW has a little more to offer.

The funny thing is, PeW doesn't suck.  There are no "duds" on it, and it IS very consistent.  Consistently a 7 for me.  There's no song on PeW that makes me forget what I'm doing and start air-drumming (Tom Sawyer; La Villa Strangiato), there's no song that gives me goose bumps (The Camera Eye, La Villa Strangiato), there's no song that makes me hit repeat and listen to that sumnabitch again and again (Subdivisions, La Villa Strangiato).  It's a very good album by a very good band.   Of the songs on that record, I rate them:

Jacob's Ladders
Different Strings
Entre Nous
Natural Science
Freewill
Spirit Of Radio
The Spirit Of The Radio

I didn't know Jacob had multiple ladders...... ;D
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: HOF on October 28, 2020, 11:19:40 AM
I prefer the Huey Lewis/Bruce Hornsby “Jacob’s Ladder” to Rush’s to be honest.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: Stadler on October 28, 2020, 01:48:09 PM
I think it's absolutely  stupid to call any song weaker than another song on any album from any one group without explaining why. BUT - if you don't like a song that's OK but realize there are some songs that are your trash that are someone else's treasure. Sheez... :\

Not sure if this is directed at me. But as I said, I like Freewill. Truthfully PW doesn't have a dud on it. It's one of my all time favorite Rush albums and I think it's super consistent and solid, so I think Freewill being among my least favorite tracks on that album speaks more to how good the album itself is.

I don't even think I have any specific issues with Freewill. Maybe it's a bit by the book? Even that's a stretch. I just think most of the rest of PW has a little more to offer.

The funny thing is, PeW doesn't suck.  There are no "duds" on it, and it IS very consistent.  Consistently a 7 for me.  There's no song on PeW that makes me forget what I'm doing and start air-drumming (Tom Sawyer; La Villa Strangiato), there's no song that gives me goose bumps (The Camera Eye, La Villa Strangiato), there's no song that makes me hit repeat and listen to that sumnabitch again and again (Subdivisions, La Villa Strangiato).  It's a very good album by a very good band.   Of the songs on that record, I rate them:

Jacob's Ladders
Different Strings
Entre Nous
Natural Science
Freewill
Spirit Of Radio
The Spirit Of The Radio

I didn't know Jacob had multiple ladders...... ;D

One string and one nou for every ladder.  :)
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: WildRanger on October 28, 2020, 03:18:41 PM
I prefer the Huey Lewis/Bruce Hornsby “Jacob’s Ladder” to Rush’s to be honest.

 :o
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: HOF on October 28, 2020, 03:23:03 PM
I prefer the Huey Lewis/Bruce Hornsby “Jacob’s Ladder” to Rush’s to be honest.

 :o

It’s a fun tune!
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: pg1067 on October 28, 2020, 03:31:16 PM
I prefer the Huey Lewis/Bruce Hornsby “Jacob’s Ladder” to Rush’s to be honest.

Wait...what?  Huey Lewis covered Jacob's Ladder??
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: HOF on October 28, 2020, 03:59:54 PM
I prefer the Huey Lewis/Bruce Hornsby “Jacob’s Ladder” to Rush’s to be honest.

Wait...what?  Huey Lewis covered Jacob's Ladder??

Different song (written with Bruce Hornsby, but they each recorded their own version).
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: King Postwhore on October 28, 2020, 06:23:45 PM
It's an excellent song. My favorite song from Huey Lewis and The News.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: Stadler on October 29, 2020, 07:08:28 AM
It's an excellent song. My favorite song from Huey Lewis and The News.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 29, 2020, 09:11:14 AM
Well, it could be because Red Barchetta is on the best selling Rush album of all time.  Not only that, it's one of their best songs.  RB is easily the definitive choice without taking anything away from Freewill.

Disagree, Red Barchetta wouldn't even enter my top fifty Rush songs.

Well, that's too bad.  What would that top 50 be BTW?  :lol
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: Lowdz on October 29, 2020, 10:27:36 AM
I prefer the Huey Lewis/Bruce Hornsby “Jacob’s Ladder” to Rush’s to be honest.

That must be one hell of a song.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: TAC on October 29, 2020, 10:31:09 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: HOF on October 29, 2020, 10:38:06 AM
I’ve noticed that there is a lot of overlap between fans of Rush and Huey Lewis and The News. How do you explain that?
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: The Walrus on October 29, 2020, 10:40:35 AM
Well, it could be because Red Barchetta is on the best selling Rush album of all time.  Not only that, it's one of their best songs.  RB is easily the definitive choice without taking anything away from Freewill.

Disagree, Red Barchetta wouldn't even enter my top fifty Rush songs.

Well, that's too bad.  What would that top 50 be BTW?  :lol

Off the top of my head, my favorite Rush songs...

- Marathon, Grand Designs, The Big Money, Manhattan Project, Territories, Mystic Rhythms
- Hemispheres, The Trees, Circumstances
- Finding My Way, Working Man
- Anthem, Fly By Night
- Lakeside Park, Bastille Day, The Necromancer
- A Passage to Bangkok, Something For Nothing
- Freewill, The Spirit of Radio
- Tom Sawyer, YYZ, Limelight
- Subdivisions, The Weapon
- The Body Electric, Kid Gloves
- Time Stand Still
- The Pass
- Dreamline, Bravado, Face Up
- Animate, Alien Shore, Double Agent, Cold Fire
- One Little Victory
- Far Cry
- Headlong Flight, The Garden

Okay so that's 40, if I looked at the albums proper I could definitely fill out the other 10. And I know I'll get shit for Kid Gloves, The Body Electric, and some others making the list but not, say, 2112, or a single song from AFTK  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: Stadler on October 29, 2020, 10:50:41 AM
I’ve noticed that there is a lot of overlap between fans of Rush and Huey Lewis and The News. How do you explain that?

 :tup :tup :tup ;D
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: pg1067 on October 29, 2020, 11:08:36 AM
I’ve noticed that there is a lot of overlap between fans of Rush and Huey Lewis and The News. How do you explain that?

Subjectively or objectively?
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: WildRanger on October 29, 2020, 01:10:46 PM
Well, it could be because Red Barchetta is on the best selling Rush album of all time.  Not only that, it's one of their best songs.  RB is easily the definitive choice without taking anything away from Freewill.

Disagree, Red Barchetta wouldn't even enter my top fifty Rush songs.

Well, that's too bad.  What would that top 50 be BTW?  :lol

Off the top of my head, my favorite Rush songs...

- Marathon, Grand Designs, The Big Money, Manhattan Project, Territories, Mystic Rhythms
- Hemispheres, The Trees, Circumstances
- Finding My Way, Working Man
- Anthem, Fly By Night
- Lakeside Park, Bastille Day, The Necromancer
- A Passage to Bangkok, Something For Nothing
- Freewill, The Spirit of Radio
- Tom Sawyer, YYZ, Limelight
- Subdivisions, The Weapon
- The Body Electric, Kid Gloves
- Time Stand Still
- The Pass
- Dreamline, Bravado, Face Up
- Animate, Alien Shore, Double Agent, Cold Fire
- One Little Victory
- Far Cry
- Headlong Flight, The Garden

Okay so that's 40, if I looked at the albums proper I could definitely fill out the other 10. And I know I'll get shit for Kid Gloves, The Body Electric, and some others making the list but not, say, 2112, or a single song from AFTK  :biggrin:

"Face Up" is in your top 40 Rush songs, but not one single song from AFTK?  :o
How could you deny that Xanadu is objectively better than Face Up?  ;D


Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: WildRanger on October 29, 2020, 01:11:32 PM
I’ve noticed that there is a lot of overlap between fans of Rush and Huey Lewis and The News. How do you explain that?

I didn't notice that TBH.

Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: hunnus2000 on October 29, 2020, 01:21:24 PM
I’ve noticed that there is a lot of overlap between fans of Rush and Huey Lewis and The News. How do you explain that?

I didn't notice that TBH.

I didn't notice either.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: HOF on October 29, 2020, 01:45:19 PM
I’ve noticed that there is a lot of overlap between fans of Rush and Huey Lewis and The News. How do you explain that?

I didn't notice that TBH.

Objectively speaking, at least three people participating in this thread!
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: King Postwhore on October 29, 2020, 01:52:09 PM
That's because I'm a music whore though.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: The Walrus on October 29, 2020, 06:28:36 PM
Well, it could be because Red Barchetta is on the best selling Rush album of all time.  Not only that, it's one of their best songs.  RB is easily the definitive choice without taking anything away from Freewill.

Disagree, Red Barchetta wouldn't even enter my top fifty Rush songs.

Well, that's too bad.  What would that top 50 be BTW?  :lol

Off the top of my head, my favorite Rush songs...

- Marathon, Grand Designs, The Big Money, Manhattan Project, Territories, Mystic Rhythms
- Hemispheres, The Trees, Circumstances
- Finding My Way, Working Man
- Anthem, Fly By Night
- Lakeside Park, Bastille Day, The Necromancer
- A Passage to Bangkok, Something For Nothing
- Freewill, The Spirit of Radio
- Tom Sawyer, YYZ, Limelight
- Subdivisions, The Weapon
- The Body Electric, Kid Gloves
- Time Stand Still
- The Pass
- Dreamline, Bravado, Face Up
- Animate, Alien Shore, Double Agent, Cold Fire
- One Little Victory
- Far Cry
- Headlong Flight, The Garden

Okay so that's 40, if I looked at the albums proper I could definitely fill out the other 10. And I know I'll get shit for Kid Gloves, The Body Electric, and some others making the list but not, say, 2112, or a single song from AFTK  :biggrin:

"Face Up" is in your top 40 Rush songs, but not one single song from AFTK?  :o
How could you deny that Xanadu is objectively better than Face Up?  ;D

Xanadu sucks and is one of their most overrated boring songs and I do not feel the slightest bit of remorse for saying so
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: King Postwhore on October 29, 2020, 07:23:02 PM
That's a hot sauce take to the groin.  Holy Moly!
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: TAC on October 29, 2020, 07:27:56 PM
Walrus, even WildRanger is giving you shit! :lol
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: The Walrus on October 29, 2020, 07:28:54 PM
 :rollin

Look I got into Rush in 2017. That's not a good excuse but I guess we can add this to my list of ultra controversial takes
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: King Postwhore on October 29, 2020, 07:38:29 PM
Excuses,  ex. Lol
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: HOF on October 29, 2020, 07:41:32 PM
I do like Xanadu. One of my favorite 70s Rush tracks. But I might be able to come up with 50 Rush songs from 1980 onward that I prefer as well.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: TAC on October 29, 2020, 07:43:19 PM
I do like Xanadu. One of my favorite 70s Rush tracks. But I might be able to come up with 50 Rush songs from 1980 onward that I prefer as well.

No chance. Xanadu is Top 5.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: HOF on October 29, 2020, 07:52:27 PM
I do like Xanadu. One of my favorite 70s Rush tracks. But I might be able to come up with 50 Rush songs from 1980 onward that I prefer as well.

No chance. Xanadu is Top 5.

Objectively or subjectively?  :P
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: TAC on October 29, 2020, 07:57:01 PM
I do like Xanadu. One of my favorite 70s Rush tracks. But I might be able to come up with 50 Rush songs from 1980 onward that I prefer as well.

No chance. Xanadu is Top 5.

Objectively or subjectively?  :P

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Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: King Postwhore on October 29, 2020, 08:00:09 PM
Tim, the perfect gif.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: TAC on October 29, 2020, 08:03:16 PM
Tim, the perfect gif.


Yeah, you know I know all of the movie references.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: King Postwhore on October 29, 2020, 08:06:45 PM
These yuts.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: HOF on October 29, 2020, 08:11:19 PM
It is a great movie. Top 5 movie maybe even!
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: TAC on October 29, 2020, 08:20:48 PM
These yuts.

Did you day yutes?


Joe, this is a movie that my wife brought to our relationship. I had never seen it. I thought the whole thing looked fucking stupid. But she converted me, and we quote it to each other...almost daily.


It is a great movie. Top 5 movie maybe even!

Yeah, it's great!
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: King Postwhore on October 29, 2020, 08:26:54 PM
To this day, there's a smile on Lisa and my face when that movie it on.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: The Walrus on October 29, 2020, 08:28:47 PM
My parents and I quote that film all the time. Classic. So quotable.

"You was serious about dat?!"  :lol
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: TAC on October 29, 2020, 08:46:26 PM
So one year we stayed concierge level at the Beach Club in Disney. We went to the club room and I SWEAR TO GOD Joe Pesci was sitting there. He didn't have a toupee on and looked really raw, but I knew it was him. My wife disagreed.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: TAC on October 29, 2020, 09:05:34 PM
My parents and I quote that film all the time. Classic. So quotable.

"You was serious about dat?!"  :lol


My favorite line of the entire movie...

"I just got in. I asked where the new guys were.."
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: Elite on October 30, 2020, 02:53:37 AM
I don't like La Villa Strangiato :corn
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: hunnus2000 on October 30, 2020, 09:49:05 AM
I don't like La Villa Strangiato :corn


WTF!!!   :omg:
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: The Walrus on October 30, 2020, 09:55:48 AM
I agree with Elite actually. I mean, I DO like it, and I'll sit through if it I put on Hemispheres, but it's just another long instrumental, not very entertaining. Great moments in that song, but as one piece, frankly it's not a Rush song I ever choose to listen to  :corn
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: HOF on October 30, 2020, 09:58:20 AM
Count me as one of the folks who is *somewhat* bored by LVS. It has its moments for sure, but for whatever reason I’ve never been especially fond of any of the Rush instrumentals.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: Stadler on October 30, 2020, 10:39:31 AM
Couple thoughts:

- La Villa Strangiato is my favorite Rush song of all time, period.
- Marissa Tomei is hot AF in that movie.
- My Cousin Vinnie is hilarious.


TAC, similar story:  I was at a hotel in South Carolina for my (ex's) work (my daughter and I joined her there) and my daughter was in the pool.  I was sitting on a table doing some work, and Lou Reed sat down behind me.   He looked... frail.  Like he was 90 (this was in the 2008 time frame?).   I knew it was him, though, because his girlfriend/wife was Laurie Anderson - google her, she's unmistakable - and she came in and sat with him.    I had with me the book "Please Don't Kill Me", an oral history of punk rock in New York in the 70's, and I thought it would be cool to have him autograph it - he's basically the godfather of punk rock in New York in the 70's - except I lost my nerve.  Good thing, because as I kept reading through it, it turns out the authors were VERY critical of him.  He might have thrown my book in the pool!!!  :)
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: hunnus2000 on October 30, 2020, 12:22:55 PM
LVS is a work of art! Puts the prog in progressive. It is the beginning and the end. It's the shiznit! It's for sophisticated musical palates.  :metal
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: WildRanger on October 30, 2020, 12:29:09 PM
It is a great movie. Top 5 movie maybe even!

Name of that movie?

Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: HOF on October 30, 2020, 12:40:53 PM
It is a great movie. Top 5 movie maybe even!

Name of that movie?

My Cousin Vinnie.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: SleeperAwake on October 30, 2020, 01:58:47 PM
I like Freewill alright, though it's never been a favourite. Red Barchetta on the other hand does nothing for me, and is clearly the weak spot on Moving Pictures.

So Freewill it is.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: hunnus2000 on October 30, 2020, 02:21:47 PM
I like Freewill alright, though it's never been a favourite. Red Barchetta on the other hand does nothing for me, and is clearly the weak spot on Moving Pictures.

So Freewill it is.

You're wrong. You just are........ >:(
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: Kram on October 30, 2020, 04:56:31 PM
LVS is a work of art! Puts the prog in progressive. It is the beginning and the end. It's the shiznit! It's for sophisticated musical palates.  :metal

100% agree!
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: ytserush on November 01, 2020, 06:30:10 PM
I choose not to decide.

There it is. The reason I clicked on this thread.
Title: Re: Rush: Freewill vs. Red Barchetta?
Post by: ytserush on November 01, 2020, 06:37:22 PM
You still have made a choice.

I will never choose Limelight.