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Title: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: WildRanger on October 16, 2020, 09:47:02 AM
I already mentioned this in one of my threads (Is Rush more appealing and accessible than other classic prog rock bands?).
I find Rush and Van Halen to be vastly different styles of rock music, but there is a significant overlap between the likes of Rush and Van Halen. Lots of Rush fans tend to include Van Halen as one of their favorite rock bands.
How would you explain that? Give me your arguments.







Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: HOF on October 16, 2020, 10:17:38 AM
Objection, asked and answered!
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: Adami on October 16, 2020, 10:20:02 AM
Wasn’t this already discussed at length? Why have a new thread?
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: pg1067 on October 16, 2020, 10:28:11 AM
Lots of Rush fans tend to include Van Halen as one of their favorite rock bands.

The following are also true:

1. Lots of Rush fans do not include Van Halen as one of their favorite rock bands.
2. Lots of Rush fans don't like Van Halen.
3. Lots of Van Halen fans include Rush as one of their favorite rock bands.
4. Lots of Van Halen fans don't like Rush.

Please present the foregoing in the form of one or more Venn diagrams.


How would you explain that?

I would explain it by pointing out that people have opinions that are as varied as can be.  For example, some people like both Dream Theater and Celine Dion.  How do you explain that?  HINT: The answer is the same as to your question.


Give me your arguments.

Arguments about what?
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: cramx3 on October 16, 2020, 10:32:32 AM
Because they were both huge rock bands around the same time?  it's really no surprise
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: WildRanger on October 16, 2020, 10:35:56 AM
Because they were both huge rock bands around the same time?  it's really no surprise

So, the popularity is a reason? Rush fans decided to be into Van Halen because they are very popular? If Van Halen were not popular, Rush fans would not care for them?

And I disagree about Rush being HUGE. They were never huge.

Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: pg1067 on October 16, 2020, 10:40:21 AM
And I disagree about Rush being HUGE. They were never huge.

How old were you in 1981?

Also, define "huge."
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: WildRanger on October 16, 2020, 10:46:20 AM
And I disagree about Rush being HUGE. They were never huge.

How old were you in 1981?

Also, define "huge."

2 years old. Does it matter?
For me HUGE means a mass popularity. Rush never had a mass popularity. They were never one of the biggest rock bands. You just can't deny it. For example, compare Rush's success to U2's. You can say that U2 have/had a mass popularity, because they can fill stadiums, they sold 175 million records worldwide and they had a lot of top 10 hits on the charts, but you can't say the same about Rush.

 
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: hunnus2000 on October 16, 2020, 11:11:44 AM
For me, both of these bands hit me in high school. I very much had a Dazed and Confused high school experience. I remember vividly pulling into the high school parking lot blaring Limelight and the high school cheerleaders turning and dancing to the song. They did the same with VH so the two aren't mutually exclusive. In fact, I'll add Triumph to the mix. I guess that in my formative years, these bands were the soundtrack of my life.

One stupidly fond memory is during the stoner parties, people would argue the Rush needed to get rid of Alex and insert EVH so you would have the best guitarist, best bassist and best drummer in rock.  :D

Oh to be young and stupid again!
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: emtee on October 16, 2020, 11:30:11 AM
It's music. People like music. Is it any more complicated than that? I have well over 1K albums in my collection. Everything from Linda Rondstadt singing the classics to Opeth. That's not overlap, it's having a wide swath of taste in music.

Don't mean to be rude or short but why even ask the question?
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: HOF on October 16, 2020, 11:58:43 AM
There are numerous answers (assuming for the sake of discussion the assertion about the overlap is true), but the most obvious one is they are both hard rock bands who had tons of commercial success and radio airplay especially in the years from 1978 through about 1995. If you were a fan of hard rock and classic rock you heard both a ton on the radio and it’s certainly not inconceivable that a lot of people liked both. There’s also the aspect of EVH being to guitar what Neal Peart was to drums.

But you can pick any two artists who were popular in the same circles from any era and probably find a lot of overlap.

Why do I like both the Pearl Jam and the Counting Crows? They were on the same radio station I listened to all the time growing up.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 16, 2020, 12:30:18 PM
Don't mean to be rude or short but why even ask the question?
this
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: Peter Mc on October 16, 2020, 12:41:37 PM
Fans of one popular rock band like another popular rock band.  Don’t see the big mystery there.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: Stadler on October 16, 2020, 12:58:26 PM
Because both were fronted by cool chicks?   


As for "huge", Rush were never as big as Van Halen in the day, but they were pretty damn big.   I've written about this before:  if you collected textbooks at random from my high school, you'd be able to count the books that DIDN'T have either Rush (the star), Van Halen (the VH wings), AC/DC, or Ozzy (with the lines through the Z like on Blizzard).  Those were the "Big Four" of people that liked rock and metal.  Not the ONLY ones, but the BIGGEST ones. 
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 16, 2020, 01:58:19 PM
Rush was definitely big.  Everyone at my high school knew Rush.  They were all over our local rock stations.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: pg1067 on October 16, 2020, 03:00:48 PM
And I disagree about Rush being HUGE. They were never huge.

How old were you in 1981?

Also, define "huge."

2 years old. Does it matter?

Sure does.  It impacts your credibility.  You weren't old enough to understand what was and wasn't "huge."


For me HUGE means a mass popularity. Rush never had a mass popularity.

You've just taken one "weasel word" and replaced it another.  You seem to be a big fan of weasel words, which strikes me as odd since I know English isn't your first language.  In any event, this is why you frequently get backlash over things you write.


They were never one of the biggest rock bands. You just can't deny it.

Sure I can.  I can deny it as easily as you can say it, and I'm confident that I can come up with more coherent arguments than you can.


For example, compare Rush's success to U2's. You can say that U2 have/had a mass popularity, because they can fill stadiums, they sold 175 million records worldwide and they had a lot of top 10 hits on the charts, but you can't say the same about Rush.

Ok, now we're getting somewhere because you're finally using facts.  I agree that it is beyond dispute that Rush, at the height of its popularity, was not as "huge" as U2 at the height of its popularity.  We can compare album sales, chart performance and chart performance objectively, and U2 will always come out on top.  THAT is not credibly deniable.  HOWEVER, unless you are defining "huge" to mean "at least as successful and popular as U2, it is still possible to say that Rush was "huge."  Moreover, if that's your definition of "huge," then Van Halen wasn't "huge" either.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: hunnus2000 on October 16, 2020, 03:07:42 PM
Yeah - Rush was HUGE in high school. It seems like every desk I sat at had RUSH engraved in the wood.
Fond memory - I kept seeing these Rush signs on desks everywhere I looked so I road my bicycle to the Melody Shop and went looking for a Rush album because I had to know - what is this Rush? I must know this Rush.
I came upon Frank Marino and Mahogany Rush and decided no, it must be Rush and the I came across All The World's a Stage and decided to get that because after all, evaluating a band's live performance is part of the experience. I was immediately floored when I heard Bastille Day but I freakinG blew a load in my pants when 2112 came on and I was HOOKED!
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: cramx3 on October 16, 2020, 03:10:48 PM
Rush were still packing arenas and sheds until they retired.  That's pretty damn big if you ask me.  Maybe not HUGE by a some definition, but pretty damn popular of a band.   

And yes, I think the correlation is both being very popular around the same time.

Why do I like both the Pearl Jam and the Counting Crows? They were on the same radio station I listened to all the time growing up.

Bingo.  It's no surprise people who like rock music would like two of the more popular bands in the genre even if they aren't really that similar.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: twosuitsluke on October 16, 2020, 03:31:54 PM
I think the more pertinent question here may be "Does it bother you that there are (apparently) lots of Rush fans that are also Van Halen fans?"

I've noticed in other threads that you seem perplexed by "credible" (your words) music fans (I think that is those whose music taste just lines up with yours? Or prog fans, who listen exclusively to prog? I'm not sure which) who it turns out also like pop, or disco, or punk rock, or country or whatever.

It seems as though you need to deal in absolutes and for everything to be black and white. The fact that Rush fans like Van Halen (that you may not perceive to be "credible"?) seems to make you question your own perception of what it means to be a music fan? Or what "serious music fans" listen to.

This isn't meant as any sort of attack, and I apologise if it comes across that way. It seems that all you threads are designed to help you get a definitive 'answer' to what it means to be a real music fan.

Just my observation.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: Elite on October 16, 2020, 03:35:34 PM
I would explain the big overlap between fans of this thread and that other thread you created as follows: they're both similar, also they were/are popular at the right time and they entertain people.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: Fritzinger on October 17, 2020, 07:41:33 AM
I am a huge Rush fan and I never cared for Van Halen's music  ;)
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: SoundscapeMN on October 17, 2020, 09:39:40 AM
I remember Alex Lifeson name dropping Van Halen a number of times in interviews from the 80's.

I forget the quote exactly, but he said something like "We've never been as heavy as Van Halen."
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: WildRanger on October 17, 2020, 11:10:06 AM
I noticed these are the most popular bands among Rush fans: Led Zeppelin, Yes, Pink Floyd, The Beatles, Van Halen and probably I could add Black Sabbath, The Who and Iron Maiden to that group.

Any surprises?


Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: Adami on October 17, 2020, 11:16:20 AM
I noticed these are the most popular bands among Rush fans: Led Zeppelin, Yes, Pink Floyd, The Beatles, Van Halen and probably I could add Black Sabbath, The Who and Iron Maiden to that group.

Any surprises?

I’m a big Rush fan and I only casually like a few of the bands you mentioned.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: WildRanger on October 17, 2020, 11:23:17 AM
I noticed these are the most popular bands among Rush fans: Led Zeppelin, Yes, Pink Floyd, The Beatles, Van Halen and probably I could add Black Sabbath, The Who and Iron Maiden to that group.

Any surprises?

I’m a big Rush fan and I only casually like a few of the bands you mentioned.

You are you, one person.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: Adami on October 17, 2020, 11:24:26 AM
I noticed these are the most popular bands among Rush fans: Led Zeppelin, Yes, Pink Floyd, The Beatles, Van Halen and probably I could add Black Sabbath, The Who and Iron Maiden to that group.

Any surprises?

I’m a big Rush fan and I only casually like a few of the bands you mentioned.

You are you, one person.

I am many, and I am all.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: WildRanger on October 17, 2020, 11:42:40 AM
I noticed these are the most popular bands among Rush fans: Led Zeppelin, Yes, Pink Floyd, The Beatles, Van Halen and probably I could add Black Sabbath, The Who and Iron Maiden to that group.

Any surprises?

I’m a big Rush fan and I only casually like a few of the bands you mentioned.

You are you, one person.

I am many, and I am all.

For example there is an overlap between Rush and The Stooges fan in ME, but I know there is an incredibly small overlap between Rush and The Stooges fans in general.

Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: emtee on October 17, 2020, 11:47:31 AM
Moe, Larry and Curly. They knew how to rock.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: WildRanger on October 17, 2020, 11:59:39 AM
Moe, Larry and Curly. They knew how to rock.

The Three Stooges are not a rock band. I meant the band The Stooges, if you even know who they are.
They rock for sure.


Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: Lupton on October 17, 2020, 01:10:49 PM
Let's see...kids in the late 70s blasting either "Xanadu" or "Runnin' with the Devil" from their rooms probably annoyed their parents just as equally?
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: Elite on October 18, 2020, 02:34:04 AM
I noticed these are the most popular bands among Rush fans: Led Zeppelin, Yes, Pink Floyd, The Beatles, Van Halen and probably I could add Black Sabbath, The Who and Iron Maiden to that group.

Where and how did you notice this?
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: HOF on October 18, 2020, 05:32:52 PM
Listening to Counterparts right now after having listened to For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge a good bit over the last few weeks, and I’ll say the production and overall sound on both is awfully similar.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: pg1067 on October 18, 2020, 05:50:45 PM
I noticed these are the most popular bands among Rush fans: Led Zeppelin, Yes, Pink Floyd, The Beatles, Van Halen and probably I could add Black Sabbath, The Who and Iron Maiden to that group.

Any surprises?

You've "noticed [that] these are the most popular bands among Rush fans."

Any surprises?  No, it's no surprise at all that you're making generalized pronouncements based on limited observations.

While I believe there is significant cross over between Rush and each of those bands, I would submit that there is greater crossover between Rush and other bands, including Yes, Triumph, Dream Theater, Fates Warning, Queensryche and many others.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: King Postwhore on October 18, 2020, 06:09:43 PM
Listening to Counterparts right now after having listened to For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge a good bit over the last few weeks, and I’ll say the production and overall sound on both is awfully similar.

Except for the quality of the songs. 1/2 the songs on F.U.C.K. are terrible.   Speed of Love is the only weak link on Counterparts.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: HOF on October 18, 2020, 06:16:16 PM
Listening to Counterparts right now after having listened to For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge a good bit over the last few weeks, and I’ll say the production and overall sound on both is awfully similar.

Except for the quality of the songs. 1/2 the songs on F.U.C.K. are terrible.   Speed of Love is the only weak link on Counterparts.

I like Speed of Love. There only about 3 songs on For Unlawful that I don’t care for.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: King Postwhore on October 18, 2020, 06:20:02 PM
So still a win for Rush. Lol
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: HOF on October 18, 2020, 06:31:30 PM
Well, yes, Rush over VH any day really.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: Stadler on October 19, 2020, 07:17:37 AM
I noticed these are the most popular bands among Rush fans: Led Zeppelin, Yes, Pink Floyd, The Beatles, Van Halen and probably I could add Black Sabbath, The Who and Iron Maiden to that group.

Any surprises?

I’m a big Rush fan and I only casually like a few of the bands you mentioned.

You are you, one person.

I am many, and I am all.

I AM my daddy... wait, wut?
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: Big Hath on November 08, 2020, 08:01:08 PM
Moe, Larry and Curly. They knew how to rock.

The Three Stooges are not a rock band. I meant the band The Stooges, if you even know who they are.
They rock for sure.

how in the world did The Three Stooges get brought up in a thread about Rush without one mention of both using the Three Blind Mice theme as their opening music?
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: DragonAttack on November 08, 2020, 08:43:46 PM
Brian May played 'Three Blind Mice' during his 'Brighton Rock' solo in the mid 70s.

Perhaps I'll start a thread about how to explain the overlap between Rush, Van Halen, and Queen fans ....especially since Eddie appeared on Brian's solo album.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: TAC on November 08, 2020, 08:48:49 PM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c7/15/9e/c7159e90f4b50df4708681fcbcd9568d.jpg)
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: DragonAttack on November 09, 2020, 10:04:54 AM
 :rollin

Soytenly!
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: King Postwhore on November 09, 2020, 10:53:24 AM
Moe, Larry and Curly. They knew how to rock.

The Three Stooges are not a rock band. I meant the band The Stooges, if you even know who they are.
They rock for sure.

how in the world did The Three Stooges get brought up in a thread about Rush without one mention of both using the Three Blind Mice theme as their opening music?

Nevermind they had the old 3 Stooges heads on the screen then the Guys heads showed up in black and white as a photoshop.  Alex's name underneath his had changed from "Alex" to "Brad Pitt." :lol
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: WildRanger on November 09, 2020, 11:29:00 AM
Well, yes, Rush over VH any day really.

For me too. But they're vastly different to be compared.


Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: HOF on November 09, 2020, 11:36:00 AM
Well, yes, Rush over VH any day really.

For me too. But they're vastly different to be compared.

I would agree they are vastly different, but not so different as to be unable to be compared or for it to be surprising that people would like both bands. You might say it’s like comparing apples and oranges. Very different fruits, but still fruits. Much more similar than, say, comparing an apple and a hamburger. In fact, I’d say it’s more like comparing a pineapple and an orange. Very different fruits in appearance, but similar in flavor and texture of the fruit itself. One can imagine liking both pineapple and orange even though at first blush both fruits look and seem very different.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: Architeuthis on November 09, 2020, 11:50:29 AM
I would say because both bands are very musical and wrote great songs.  :coolio
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: WildRanger on November 09, 2020, 12:10:51 PM
I would say because both bands are very musical and wrote great songs.  :coolio

Explain "very musical".







Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: The Walrus on November 09, 2020, 12:12:08 PM
I would say because both bands are very musical and wrote great songs.  :coolio

Explain "very musical".

they play music
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: RoeDent on November 09, 2020, 12:38:02 PM
Hey, at least you're finally participating in the discussion you've created. Good job!
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: WildRanger on November 09, 2020, 01:03:34 PM
I would say because both bands are very musical and wrote great songs.  :coolio

Explain "very musical".

they play music

And The Ramones play music.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: The Walrus on November 09, 2020, 01:08:50 PM
I would say because both bands are very musical and wrote great songs.  :coolio

Explain "very musical".

they play music

And The Ramones play music.

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Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: pg1067 on November 09, 2020, 01:17:46 PM
I would say because both bands are very musical and wrote great songs.  :coolio

Explain "very musical".

they play music

Wait a minute...so you're telling me that these two musical acts are both very musical?!  What are the odds?!
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: WildRanger on December 16, 2020, 08:04:59 AM
In one facebook group of Van Halen fans there was a question: "Name 3 bands you couldn't live without" and 46 out of 320 people named Rush in the comments. Rush got more mentions than i.e. Iron Maiden (only 18) and Black Sabbath (33). Isn't it surprising?
The most mentioned band after VH is Zeppelin (75). Also KISS got 46 votes and AC/DC 45.

Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: Elite on December 16, 2020, 08:21:22 AM
You actually checked every single reply and counted votes? I admire your dedication to amassing nonsensical data.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: Stadler on December 16, 2020, 08:44:42 AM
In one facebook group of Van Halen fans there was a question: "Name 3 bands you couldn't live without" and 46 out of 320 people named Rush in the comments. Rush got more mentions than i.e. Iron Maiden (only 18) and Black Sabbath (33). Isn't it surprising?
The most mentioned band after VH is Zeppelin (75). Also KISS got 46 votes and AC/DC 45.

Everything else is just pops and whistles.  :)
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: pg1067 on December 16, 2020, 09:15:13 AM
In one facebook group of Van Halen fans there was a question: "Name 3 bands you couldn't live without" and 46 out of 320 people named Rush in the comments. Rush got more mentions than i.e. Iron Maiden (only 18) and Black Sabbath (33). Isn't it surprising?
The most mentioned band after VH is Zeppelin (75). Also KISS got 46 votes and AC/DC 45.

Surprising to whom?

You'd think that two pages of this tread would have made you adjust your surprise-o-meter on this subject.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: KevShmev on December 16, 2020, 03:41:15 PM
In one facebook group of Van Halen fans there was a question: "Name 3 bands you couldn't live without" and 46 out of 320 people named Rush in the comments. Rush got more mentions than i.e. Iron Maiden (only 18) and Black Sabbath (33). Isn't it surprising?
The most mentioned band after VH is Zeppelin (75). Also KISS got 46 votes and AC/DC 45.

Surprising to whom?

You'd think that two pages of this tread would have made you adjust your surprise-o-meter on this subject.

Nah, he is the DTF equivalent of Josh Baskins.

"I don't get it."

Someone explains it quite clearly and reasonably.

"I still don't get it."

Seems to happen in every thread. :lol :lol
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: pg1067 on December 16, 2020, 04:46:01 PM
Josh Baskins.

Who?

I even googled and got someone who is a senior consultant with an executive search firm (presumably not whom you were referencing).
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: KevShmev on December 16, 2020, 05:04:50 PM
Josh Baskin.  I snuck an "s" in there by mistake.  :facepalm: :facepalm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ERuhks3GNk
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: Orbert on December 16, 2020, 05:56:46 PM
they're both similar, also they were/are popular at the right time and they entertain people.

Here's the thing, though.  They're not both similar.  Only one of them is similar.  The other is different.  That depends on whom you ask, though.  Some people say one of them is different, but the other is similar.  So it depends.  I agree that they were/are popular at the right time and they entertain people.


That's how I would explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: DragonAttack on December 16, 2020, 09:13:27 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: jammindude on December 16, 2020, 11:26:05 PM
they're both similar, also they were/are popular at the right time and they entertain people.

Here's the thing, though.  They're not both similar.  Only one of them is similar.  The other is different.  That depends on whom you ask, though.  Some people say one of them is different, but the other is similar.  So it depends.  I agree that they were/are popular at the right time and they entertain people.


That's how I would explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans.

I’m not sure whether to  :rollin or  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: Elite on December 17, 2020, 12:18:34 AM
they're both similar, also they were/are popular at the right time and they entertain people.

Here's the thing, though.  They're not both similar.  Only one of them is similar.  The other is different.  That depends on whom you ask, though.  Some people say one of them is different, but the other is similar.  So it depends.  I agree that they were/are popular at the right time and they entertain people.


That's how I would explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans.

Thank you :)

:lol
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: Stadler on December 17, 2020, 06:14:24 AM
Josh Baskin.  I snuck an "s" in there by mistake.  :facepalm: :facepalm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ERuhks3GNk

Is that the husband of that weird lady from Tiger King?
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 17, 2020, 07:47:35 AM
In one facebook group of Van Halen fans there was a question: "Name 3 bands you couldn't live without" and 46 out of 320 people named Rush in the comments. Rush got more mentions than i.e. Iron Maiden (only 18) and Black Sabbath (33). Isn't it surprising?
The most mentioned band after VH is Zeppelin (75). Also KISS got 46 votes and AC/DC 45.

WTF

The only surprising thing is you tallying up and reporting those numbers as if they relevant to anything or anyone other than the members of that group who participated in that poll.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: Orbert on December 17, 2020, 10:30:57 AM
they're both similar, also they were/are popular at the right time and they entertain people.

Here's the thing, though.  They're not both similar.  Only one of them is similar.  The other is different.  That depends on whom you ask, though.  Some people say one of them is different, but the other is similar.  So it depends.  I agree that they were/are popular at the right time and they entertain people.


That's how I would explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans.

Thank you :)

:lol

I figured my answer had to make as much sense as the question itself.  It was tough.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: WildRanger on December 17, 2020, 01:27:09 PM
In one facebook group of Van Halen fans there was a question: "Name 3 bands you couldn't live without" and 46 out of 320 people named Rush in the comments. Rush got more mentions than i.e. Iron Maiden (only 18) and Black Sabbath (33). Isn't it surprising?
The most mentioned band after VH is Zeppelin (75). Also KISS got 46 votes and AC/DC 45.

WTF

The only surprising thing is you tallying up and reporting those numbers as if they relevant to anything or anyone other than the members of that group who participated in that poll.

Nope. Those numbers show that many Van Halen fans are really into Rush.



Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: WildRanger on December 17, 2020, 01:34:22 PM

Here's the thing, though.  They're not both similar.  Only one of them is similar.  The other is different.  That depends on whom you ask, though.  Some people say one of them is different, but the other is similar.  So it depends.  I agree that they were/are popular at the right time and they entertain people.


Van Halen entertain people, Rush don't, because they are too serious.
Van Halen just can't be serious since David Lee Roth is one of the biggest clowns in rock history.





Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 17, 2020, 01:38:27 PM
Van Halen entertain people, Rush don't, because they are too serious.
Van Halen just can't be serious since David Lee Roth is one of the biggest clowns in rock history.
Ummmm....
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: twosuitsluke on December 17, 2020, 01:40:42 PM
Please never stop posting WildRanger!

Your sweeping statements, are as nonsensical as they are wrong, but man are they funny!

So Rush aren't entertaining because they are too serious....































Wut
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: WildRanger on December 17, 2020, 01:47:44 PM
Please never stop posting WildRanger!

Your sweeping statements, are as nonsensical as they are wrong, but man are they funny!

So Rush aren't entertaining because they are too serious....































Wut

Man, Rush are not entertaining because they're not like The Rolling Stones, AC/DC, Queen, Van Halen, Bon Jovi, KISS, ZZ Top, etc. They are totally different type of rock band. Do you realize that? They've never been ROCKSTARS!



Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: Zook on December 17, 2020, 01:52:09 PM
I agree DLR is a clown and ruins any enjoyment of Van Halen.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: twosuitsluke on December 17, 2020, 01:57:28 PM
Please never stop posting WildRanger!

Your sweeping statements, are as nonsensical as they are wrong, but man are they funny!

So Rush aren't entertaining because they are too serious....































Wut

Man, Rush are not entertaining because they're not like The Rolling Stones, AC/DC, Queen, Van Halen, Bon Jovi, KISS, ZZ Top, etc. They are totally different type of rock band. Do you realize that? They've never been ROCKSTARS!





(https://64.media.tumblr.com/5773a95ad96fa754fbafd04cbbdd6b8e/tumblr_n54on0rRET1qm8o2po3_r1_250.gif)
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: NoseofNicko on December 17, 2020, 01:59:11 PM
Please never stop posting WildRanger!

Your sweeping statements, are as nonsensical as they are wrong, but man are they funny!

So Rush aren't entertaining because they are too serious....































Wut

Man, Rush are not entertaining because they're not like The Rolling Stones, AC/DC, Queen, Van Halen, Bon Jovi, KISS, ZZ Top, etc. They are totally different type of rock band. Do you realize that? They've never been ROCKSTARS!

I don’t think you know what "entertaining" means.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: King Postwhore on December 17, 2020, 02:00:54 PM
Name me any other band that came out with a couch cushion strapped to their back while playing guitar like Alex Lifeson.  You can't, "that's entertainment!"
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: HOF on December 17, 2020, 02:04:48 PM
Please never stop posting WildRanger!

Your sweeping statements, are as nonsensical as they are wrong, but man are they funny!

So Rush aren't entertaining because they are too serious....































Wut

Just three guys with no sense of humor doing their laundry on stage.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: Orbert on December 17, 2020, 02:22:28 PM
Or roasting chickens.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: Stadler on December 17, 2020, 02:54:21 PM

Here's the thing, though.  They're not both similar.  Only one of them is similar.  The other is different.  That depends on whom you ask, though.  Some people say one of them is different, but the other is similar.  So it depends.  I agree that they were/are popular at the right time and they entertain people.


Van Halen entertain people, Rush don't, because they are too serious.
Van Halen just can't be serious since David Lee Roth is one of the biggest clowns in rock history.

I can't even.   I don't even agree with the Roth part, though at least I see where that's coming from.

Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: NoseofNicko on December 17, 2020, 02:58:16 PM
Rush too serious...   :lol :lol :rollin
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: bl5150 on December 17, 2020, 03:02:09 PM
Blah blah blah blah...................blah blah blah...............blah blah.  Blah blah blah blah blah blah  .
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: WildRanger on December 17, 2020, 03:24:23 PM
Come on, guys, if Rush are entertaining then masses of chicks would be at their concerts. That's obvious.

Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: WildRanger on December 17, 2020, 03:26:49 PM

Here's the thing, though.  They're not both similar.  Only one of them is similar.  The other is different.  That depends on whom you ask, though.  Some people say one of them is different, but the other is similar.  So it depends.  I agree that they were/are popular at the right time and they entertain people.


Van Halen entertain people, Rush don't, because they are too serious.
Van Halen just can't be serious since David Lee Roth is one of the biggest clowns in rock history.

I can't even.   I don't even agree with the Roth part, though at least I see where that's coming from.

David Lee Roth appealed to chicks, Geddy Lee certainly didn't.

Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: Elite on December 17, 2020, 03:34:04 PM
What I take away from this thread: Rush does not entertain people.

Thanks for this infinite wisdom!
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: WildRanger on December 17, 2020, 03:36:55 PM
What I take away from this thread: Rush does not entertain people.


Nerds ≠ entertainment or
nerdy band ≠ entertaining band



Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: NoseofNicko on December 17, 2020, 03:43:28 PM
Anything that is enjoyed is entertaining.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: twosuitsluke on December 17, 2020, 04:39:41 PM
Anything that is enjoyed by chicks is entertaining.

Fixed that for you WildRanger
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: twosuitsluke on December 17, 2020, 04:42:35 PM
Come on, guys, if Rush are entertaining then masses of chicks would be at their concerts. That's obvious.

It's comments like this that make me think you are pulling the 'long con', in trolling form
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: King Postwhore on December 17, 2020, 05:24:01 PM
What I take away from this thread: Rush does not entertain people.

Thanks for this infinite wisdom!

No! Rush only entertains men! Lol
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: pg1067 on December 17, 2020, 06:12:41 PM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f9/20/65/f92065339233c8169ac1de03ba44f6bb.jpg)

Someone please re-make this meme with Geddy's head on Russel's body.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: TAC on December 17, 2020, 06:17:28 PM
David Lee Roth appealed to chicks, Geddy Lee certainly didn't.



What do you mean? he definitely appealed to these chicks.

(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/ixKD--Xr1utX99BbhEJIluWcQUM=/0x0:630x473/1400x788/filters:focal(0x0:630x473):format(jpeg)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/36471122/1024_revenge_nerds_630x420.0.jpg)
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: Stadler on December 17, 2020, 06:25:48 PM
Blah blah blah blah...................blah blah blah...............blah blah.  Blah blah blah blah blah blah  .

I hated that speech, but fair is fair; that alone refutes the premise.  Good call! 
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: Stadler on December 17, 2020, 06:26:49 PM
David Lee Roth appealed to chicks, Geddy Lee certainly didn't.



What do you mean? he definitely appealed to these chicks.

(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/ixKD--Xr1utX99BbhEJIluWcQUM=/0x0:630x473/1400x788/filters:focal(0x0:630x473):format(jpeg)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/36471122/1024_revenge_nerds_630x420.0.jpg)

I wish I could do photoshop.  I'd have "Kingshmegland" and an arrow to the guy on the left, and "TAC" and an arrow to the guy on the right.   :)


Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: TAC on December 17, 2020, 06:31:08 PM
Power Windows Listening Party.


Don't even tempt him! :lol
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: King Postwhore on December 17, 2020, 07:04:44 PM
My pocket protector senses were tingling. 
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: TAC on December 17, 2020, 07:11:54 PM
My pocket protector senses were tingling.

Your pants pocket protector?
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: King Postwhore on December 17, 2020, 07:14:28 PM
Say what?  Whatcha smoking?
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: DragonAttack on December 17, 2020, 09:23:13 PM
Whahibrido pickingant
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: Elite on December 18, 2020, 06:16:39 AM
What I take away from this thread: Rush does not entertain people.


Nerds ≠ entertainment or
nerdy band ≠ entertaining band

What the hell are you doing on the Dream Theater Forums if they didn’t at least entertain you enough to even set up an account here?
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 18, 2020, 09:04:45 AM
What I take away from this thread: Rush does not entertain people.


Nerds ≠ entertainment or
nerdy band ≠ entertaining band

What in the actual blue fuck
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: jjrock88 on December 18, 2020, 09:06:04 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: Orbert on December 18, 2020, 09:15:12 AM
It's not entertainment if only nerds are entertained by it.  Thousands of sold-out shows over the years, millions of albums sold, but not a single person was entertained.  To be honest, that's rather disappointing.  I'm sure Rush is immensely saddened that they never reached WildRanger's definition of entertainment.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: King Postwhore on December 18, 2020, 09:20:50 AM
What I take away from this thread: Rush does not entertain people.


Nerds ≠ entertainment or
nerdy band ≠ entertaining band

What in the actual blue fuck

It's even funnier reading Hef's response in Slim Pickens voice. :lol

Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 18, 2020, 09:24:17 AM
It's even funnier reading Hef's response in Slim Pickens voice. :lol
Why in the actual blue fuck
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: King Postwhore on December 18, 2020, 09:28:09 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: pg1067 on December 18, 2020, 09:47:15 AM
It's not entertainment if only nerds are entertained by it.  Thousands of sold-out shows over the years, millions of albums sold, but not a single person was entertained.  To be honest, that's rather disappointing.  I'm sure Rush is immensely saddened that they never reached WildRanger's definition of entertainment.

They reached it early on* and then moved on.


* "Hey baby; it's a quarter to eight; I feel I'm in the mood."
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 18, 2020, 10:27:20 AM
Please never stop posting WildRanger!

Your sweeping statements, are as nonsensical as they are wrong, but man are they funny!

So Rush aren't entertaining because they are too serious....

Wut

Just three guys with no sense of humor doing their laundry on stage.

Well, yeah.  What do you think those washing machines on stage were for during those tours in the early 00s?   ;D
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: Orbert on December 18, 2020, 11:39:35 AM
It was a holdover from the early days when they couldn't afford to go to the laundromat, and just got to be a habit.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: HOF on February 25, 2021, 09:41:27 PM
Hah! Type in Van Halen or Rush on this website (especially Van Halen):

https://www.music-map.com/

“The closer two names are, the greater the probability people will like both artists.”
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: WildRanger on February 26, 2021, 07:01:10 AM
Hah! Type in Van Halen or Rush on this website (especially Van Halen):

https://www.music-map.com/

“The closer two names are, the greater the probability people will like both artists.”

This does not seem accurate. I typed Rush and Led Zeppelin wasn't close to them. I know Led Zeppelin is one of the favorite bands among Rush fans.

Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: Stadler on February 26, 2021, 07:20:29 AM
Is there a lot of overlap between Rush and Bush fans? 
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: HOF on February 26, 2021, 07:28:24 AM
Hah! Type in Van Halen or Rush on this website (especially Van Halen):

https://www.music-map.com/

“The closer two names are, the greater the probability people will like both artists.”

This does not seem accurate. I typed Rush and Led Zeppelin wasn't close to them. I know Led Zeppelin is one of the favorite bands among Rush fans.

Personally not a fan of Led Zeppelin, so this can’t be true. ;-)
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: WildRanger on February 26, 2021, 09:04:41 AM
Is there a lot of overlap between Rush and Bush fans?

Come on, man.
Maybe Rush and Kate Bush fans.  ;D

Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: WildRanger on February 26, 2021, 09:06:58 AM
Hah! Type in Van Halen or Rush on this website (especially Van Halen):

https://www.music-map.com/

“The closer two names are, the greater the probability people will like both artists.”

This does not seem accurate. I typed Rush and Led Zeppelin wasn't close to them. I know Led Zeppelin is one of the favorite bands among Rush fans.

Personally not a fan of Led Zeppelin, so this can’t be true. ;-)

You are you, one person. You can't speak for other countless Rush fans.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: KevShmev on February 26, 2021, 09:11:40 AM


You are you, one person. You can't speak for other countless Rush fans.

I know Led Zeppelin is one of the favorite bands among Rush fans.

 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 26, 2021, 09:45:41 AM


You are you, one person. You can't speak for other countless Rush fans.

I know Led Zeppelin is one of the favorite bands among Rush fans.

 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
:lol :lol :rollin :rollin :lol
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: WildRanger on February 26, 2021, 01:47:13 PM


You are you, one person. You can't speak for other countless Rush fans.

I know Led Zeppelin is one of the favorite bands among Rush fans.

 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
:lol :lol :rollin :rollin :lol

What's so funny?

Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: twosuitsluke on February 26, 2021, 01:54:29 PM
These threads are what keep me coming back to DTF  :lol
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: King Postwhore on February 26, 2021, 02:14:46 PM
You are speaking for countless Rush fans by saying "I know Led Zeppelin is one of the favorite bands among Rush fans." 

That's what's funny.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: bluefox4000 on February 26, 2021, 02:17:55 PM
Hah! Type in Van Halen or Rush on this website (especially Van Halen):

https://www.music-map.com/

“The closer two names are, the greater the probability people will like both artists.”


2 people.  never too fond of Zep here.

This does not seem accurate. I typed Rush and Led Zeppelin wasn't close to them. I know Led Zeppelin is one of the favorite bands among Rush fans.

Personally not a fan of Led Zeppelin, so this can’t be true. ;-)

You are you, one person. You can't speak for other countless Rush fans.

2 people.  was never fond of Zep.  love Rush.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: TAC on February 26, 2021, 03:13:05 PM


You are you, one person. You can't speak for other countless Rush fans.

I know Led Zeppelin is one of the favorite bands among Rush fans.

 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
:lol :lol :rollin :rollin :lol

That is fantastic!
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: Orbert on February 27, 2021, 09:23:37 AM
What's so funny?

Dude, you are.  You make these huge, sweeping statements that you "know" are true, but which have everyone else going "What the fuck?"  But then someone makes a clearly sarcastic remark contrary to your premise, complete with winking smiley, and you totally miss the irony, saying one person cannot speak for all.  That's what's so funny.
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: WildRanger on February 28, 2021, 09:01:42 AM
What's so funny?

Dude, you are.  You make these huge, sweeping statements that you "know" are true, but which have everyone else going "What the fuck?"  But then someone makes a clearly sarcastic remark contrary to your premise, complete with winking smiley, and you totally miss the irony, saying one person cannot speak for all.  That's what's so funny.

Come on, man. You're criticizing me here, but not HOF who said it can’t be true that Zep is one of the most beloved bands among Rush fans only because HE is not a Zep fan?
LZ are "rock gods" so there is no surprise that they significantly overlap with fandom of pretty much every big rock band.




Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: twosuitsluke on February 28, 2021, 09:12:43 AM
You've still missed the point dude. You said "Led Zep is one of the most beloved bands among Rush fans". This statement didn't say among "most" Rush fans, so it insinuates you mean ALL Rush fans. HOF is a Rush fan, but not a Led Zep fan, therefore your statement is wrong. Do you get that?
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: WildRanger on February 28, 2021, 09:18:40 AM
You've still missed the point dude. You said "Led Zep is one of the most beloved bands among Rush fans". This statement didn't say among "most" Rush fans, so it insinuates you mean ALL Rush fans. HOF is a Rush fan, but not a Led Zep fan, therefore your statement is wrong. Do you get that?

Nah. You got it wrong. I didn't say ALL Rush fans are Zep fans. "Led Zep is one of the most beloved bands among Rush fans" means that a very big percentage of Rush fans would include LZ among their favorite bands.

Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: HOF on February 28, 2021, 09:25:29 AM
What's so funny?

Dude, you are.  You make these huge, sweeping statements that you "know" are true, but which have everyone else going "What the fuck?"  But then someone makes a clearly sarcastic remark contrary to your premise, complete with winking smiley, and you totally miss the irony, saying one person cannot speak for all.  That's what's so funny.

Come on, man. You're criticizing me here, but not HOF who said it can’t be true that Zep is one of the most beloved bands among Rush fans only because HE is not a Zep fan?
LZ are "rock gods" so there is no surprise that they significantly overlap with fandom of pretty much every big rock band.

Just for future reference, the winking smiley face means I’m not being entirely serious. :-)
Title: Re: How would you explain the big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans?
Post by: Orbert on February 28, 2021, 09:27:46 AM
Exactly.  It wasn't serious.  It was a counterexample to a generality, not to an absolute.  A single counterexample disproves an absolute, but not a generality.  That's the joke.  And in case you missed it, the winking smiley was there.