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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: T-ski on September 23, 2020, 09:44:51 AM
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Dream Theater news coming soon per all members on their Facebook page.
Guessing concert video from last tour.
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There's videos with James and JM now too. Waiting for the one with JP in a few minutes :biggrin:
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What do you guys think it is? I think it will be a new Dream Theater live album.
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Well seeing as MM said it relates to both Distance Over Time and Scenes from a Memory - it could only be the live Blu Ray...
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There's videos with James and JM now too. Waiting for the one with JP in a few minutes :biggrin:
JP's is up, he hints that it has something to do with D/T so it seems likely to be the live album :metal :metal
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Well seeing as MM said it relates to both Distance Over Time and Scenes from a Memory - it could only be the live Blu Ray...
Either that or they will do a live stream of the entire show.
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Well seeing as MM said it relates to both Distance Over Time and Scenes from a Memory - it could only be the live Blu Ray...
Either that or they will do a live stream of the entire show.
Not. Interested. Why do a shitty glitchy stream when a Blu Ray is perfect quality.
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Well seeing as MM said it relates to both Distance Over Time and Scenes from a Memory - it could only be the live Blu Ray...
Either that or they will do a live stream of the entire show.
Not. Interested. Why do a shitty glitchy stream when a Blu Ray is perfect quality.
I doubt they stream it. It's a product they are going to sell, unless they will put it up digitally for sale too. And they can take my money. Will be a day 1 blu-ray purchase for me.
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They all say it's about DoT so it is certainly new live DVD.
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Guesses for the title ?
Will it be something related to Distance / Time / Memory ?
Distance Over A Memory ?
Or will it just be something bland like
" Distance Over Time Live in London 2019 "
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Probably one I will not buy, but I guess we'll see. Yes we shall see. ((3)+4+1. Fermata.)
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Meh...
I wasn't a big fan of the set list for the first set, and LSFNY exists, so they'll need to include some good bonus content to get my $$.
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Mangini's video was awesome.
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Meh...
I wasn't a big fan of the set list for the first set, and LSFNY exists, so they'll need to include some good bonus content to get my $$.
more importantly (for me, being the extremely perfectionist musician I am), BT4W exists. The encore is my benchmark concerning Met2 pieces. I'm debating about buying it. (finally, ANTR has clean blastbeats and no death growls and PBD is nice too, but does that warrant me buying it? Not sure. You'll get my idea.)
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I bought Live at Luna Park from iTunes and almost never watch it.
I have Breaking the 4th Wall on DVD and watch it occasionally.
I'll probably get this though.
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I bought Live at Luna Park from iTunes and almost never watch it.
Just watched Luna Park this past Saturday for the first time in a few years and man......I forgot how freaking good they sound on that! And, it's a really good set list. I didn't remember it being that good but I was SO happy me and the kiddos threw it in and watched it. They all were on point and sounded great. JR's mix was a tad low but I got past that given how good the overall sound and vibe was.
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Meh...
I wasn't a big fan of the set list for the first set, and LSFNY exists, so they'll need to include some good bonus content to get my $$.
more importantly (for me, being the extremely perfectionist musician I am), BT4W exists. The encore is my benchmark concerning Met2 pieces. I'm debating about buying it. (finally, ANTR has clean blastbeats and no death growls and PBD is nice too, but does that warrant me buying it? Not sure. You'll get my idea.)
I'd say all of this + Mike going crazy on the FF outro + D/T songs + a killer version of ITPOE Pt. 1.
The SFAM full performance might be a bit redundant, since we already have a full album live album for that + the BTFW encore, but I'm sure it'll be great anyway.
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I bought Live at Luna Park from iTunes and almost never watch it.
Just watched Luna Park this past Saturday for the first time in a few years and man......I forgot how freaking good they sound on that! And, it's a really good set list. I didn't remember it being that good but I was SO happy me and the kiddos threw it in and watched it. They all were on point and sounded great. JR's mix was a tad low but I got past that given how good the overall sound and vibe was.
yes, it's a right old banger this one. I love it to bits. Great setlist. The band at their best (finally!), great stage design too IMHO. One I always love watching.
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LALP just *looks* like a school disco. It's shot like The X Factor or something and the crowd looks far away and empty.
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LALP just *looks* like a school disco. It's shot like The X Factor or something and the crowd looks far away and empty.
since you mentioned it just now: One shot that always sticks out to me in that concert film is an overhead shot of the audience (I guess you call it that) with a blonde woman wearing a sequined jacket or something (and an evening dress as well IIRC. So weird (among all these fans in DT shirts) but so quirky in a way :D )
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Literally every comment on Instagram
" BRING BACK PORTNOY "
" YES !! PORTNOY IS BACK !!!! "
" PORTNOY PORTNOY PORTNOY PORTNOY "
Jesus Christ. Not only did Petrucci have to release a STATEMENT saying he wasn't coming back - but GET A LIFE. Also how must it feel for Mangini ?
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Guesses for the title ?
Will it be something related to Distance / Time / Memory ?
Distance Over A Memory ?
Or will it just be something bland like
" Distance Over Time Live in London 2019 "
Not bad, maybe switch it up, Memories Over Time? Either way, that would be more interesting than the basic.
Meh...
I wasn't a big fan of the set list for the first set, and LSFNY exists, so they'll need to include some good bonus content to get my $$.
Depending on pricing, I'd probably say set 1 might be worth the price alone with SFAM being the bonus content in my mind. I totally understand people not wanting or needing another recording of those songs, but set 1 has so much goodness in it that is not yet on film. Of course I'd love some more legit bonus content like recordings from the summer festivals where they played some different songs.
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Distant Scenes From London
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Distant Scenes From London
Absolute Scenes from London ;D ;D
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Scenes from a Recent Distant Time..
As far a purchasing the record...I will buy it. I will buy whatever expensive option they have. Now don't be mad, but personally I think we all should purchase.
These guys cannot work, income is limited. I want to support them. Just like I am giving huge tips when I go out for food. :heart
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Literally every comment on Instagram
" BRING BACK PORTNOY "
" YES !! PORTNOY IS BACK !!!! "
" PORTNOY PORTNOY PORTNOY PORTNOY "
Jesus Christ. Not only did Petrucci have to release a STATEMENT saying he wasn't coming back - but GET A LIFE. Also how must it feel for Mangini ?
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Makes sense to have Mangini tease an announcement for Portnoy to return, right?
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God the MP warriors are insufferable.
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Literally every comment on Instagram
" BRING BACK PORTNOY "
" YES !! PORTNOY IS BACK !!!! "
" PORTNOY PORTNOY PORTNOY PORTNOY "
Jesus Christ. Not only did Petrucci have to release a STATEMENT saying he wasn't coming back - but GET A LIFE. Also how must it feel for Mangini ?
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Good grief. I really hope those are all 12-year-olds whose brains are still developing. Anyone older than 17 who thinks Portnoy is coming back either has crazy insider knowledge that none of us could ever dream of, or is a blind stan. :lol
Also, I would buy a new live release in a heartbeat.
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Literally every comment on Instagram
" BRING BACK PORTNOY "
" YES !! PORTNOY IS BACK !!!! "
" PORTNOY PORTNOY PORTNOY PORTNOY "
Jesus Christ. Not only did Petrucci have to release a STATEMENT saying he wasn't coming back - but GET A LIFE. Also how must it feel for Mangini ?
:\ :\ :\
Good grief. I really hope those are all 12-year-olds whose brains are still developing. Anyone older than 17 who thinks Portnoy is coming back either has crazy insider knowledge that none of us could ever dream of, or is a blind stan. :lol
Also, I would buy a new live release in a heartbeat.
But 12 year olds wouldn't of ever actually experienced MP in DT other than on albums. I think we all know these are older grumpy people, which seems to be most of DT's fan base these days.
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Literally every comment on Instagram
" BRING BACK PORTNOY "
" YES !! PORTNOY IS BACK !!!! "
" PORTNOY PORTNOY PORTNOY PORTNOY "
Jesus Christ. Not only did Petrucci have to release a STATEMENT saying he wasn't coming back - but GET A LIFE. Also how must it feel for Mangini ?
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Makes sense to have Mangini tease an announcement for Portnoy to return, right?
:rollin
DT: "We have great news related to D/T and Scenes From a Memory"
Some fans: "Portnoy is definitely coming back"
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Spoiler alert...it's actually Kevin Moore! :omg:
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JP already mentioned in his Terminal Velocity interview that new Live DT material is coming out soon. That didn't really leave much room for speculation. When I saw the FB posts from JP and JR, I wasn't surprised.
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Spoiler alert...it's actually Kevin Moore! :omg:
Portnoy, Collins, Moore, Dominici and Sherinian to collaborate on new project under the name "Dream Theater featuring PCMDS". Their first album, a covers album, will be released soon.
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Spoiler alert...it's actually Kevin Moore! :omg:
Portnoy, Collins, Moore, Dominici and Sherinian to collaborate on new project under the name "Dream Theater featuring PCMDS". Their first album, a covers album, will be released soon.
the first song of their first show will be The X Aspect (since they are all ex members) and this will be the intro tape: https://twitter.com/johncleese/status/1304458644864466945 (sorry about the predictable joke. I can do better than that.)
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At least JLB was straight up about it "You guys probably already know what I'm talking about."
I'm hoping for Pre-order links along with a video. Untethered Angel, unless it'll be Paralyzed or Fall Into The Light. But then, Barstool Warrior would be a great song to showcase the live blu-ray and promote the D/T album.
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They should do the teasing before announcing there is going to be a live DVD of london's show XD
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It's just the way things are done now.
Like those YouTube videos which pop up on your feed but you can't actually watch them for 3 days :yeahright I hate those so much.
Oh I can watch it in 3 days ? well tell me then. not now. Now I couldn't care less.
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Pretty certain it's the new live show.
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Distant Scenes From London
They've just uploaded a photo with caption Distant Scenes. You called it first. :tup
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Distant Scenes From London
They've just uploaded a photo with caption Distant Scenes. You called it first. :tup
Distant Memories is what it says.
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Hope the announcement comes tomorrow (or today), I just don't like announcements for an announcement :lol (nothing against DT, it a promotion strategy I don't like).
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Distant Scenes From London
They've just uploaded a photo with caption Distant Scenes. You called it first. :tup
Distant Memories is what it says.
Yup, Kotow was the closest and first.
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Blind Guardian were first in 2015 :P
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From Facebook:
(https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/120274927_10157382298817181_4055903584682233726_o.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=IpKxd27o7sIAX_zoAeI&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=5b6d01061a65a3e1810a06f14ff57884&oe=5F9150DD)
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Cool. I hope that's the actual cover!
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look over here: https://music.apple.com/nz/album/distant-memories-live-in-london-bonus-track-edition/1531217022?fbclid=IwAR3dF5l0-vRgw4D50-zX5w_ANqtH1mVzEu_301J-YfZGa0rt_hpKBRpCBlo
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look over here: https://music.apple.com/nz/album/distant-memories-live-in-london-bonus-track-edition/1531217022?fbclid=IwAR3dF5l0-vRgw4D50-zX5w_ANqtH1mVzEu_301J-YfZGa0rt_hpKBRpCBlo
Also a cool cover.
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look over here: https://music.apple.com/nz/album/distant-memories-live-in-london-bonus-track-edition/1531217022?fbclid=IwAR3dF5l0-vRgw4D50-zX5w_ANqtH1mVzEu_301J-YfZGa0rt_hpKBRpCBlo
Whoa!
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look over here: https://music.apple.com/nz/album/distant-memories-live-in-london-bonus-track-edition/1531217022?fbclid=IwAR3dF5l0-vRgw4D50-zX5w_ANqtH1mVzEu_301J-YfZGa0rt_hpKBRpCBlo
Also a cool cover.
I would guess this is the actual album cover. (and I personally like it quite a bit.)
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(https://is3-ssl.mzstatic.com/image/thumb/Music114/v4/17/98/97/17989778-d231-13e6-427f-a30bfe7c4db9/886448406440.jpg/1000x1000bb-60.jpg)
Really wicked looking cover. Looking forward to finally getting a new live DT set!
Seems like Paralyzed or Fall Into The Light will be the bonus track. I hope there will be a CD/BD set and not two separate sets for CD/DVD and BD.
-Marc.
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I bought Live at Luna Park from iTunes and almost never watch it.
Just watched Luna Park this past Saturday for the first time in a few years and man......I forgot how freaking good they sound on that! And, it's a really good set list. I didn't remember it being that good but I was SO happy me and the kiddos threw it in and watched it. They all were on point and sounded great. JR's mix was a tad low but I got past that given how good the overall sound and vibe was.
When I need a fix of ADTOE, I always listen to the Luna Park audio instead of the actual album. The live recording sounds better!
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Nice mix of the two covers! great job!
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(https://is3-ssl.mzstatic.com/image/thumb/Music114/v4/17/98/97/17989778-d231-13e6-427f-a30bfe7c4db9/886448406440.jpg/1000x1000bb-60.jpg)
Really wicked looking cover. Looking forward to finally getting a new live DT set!
Seems like Paralyzed or Fall Into The Light will be the bonus track. I hope there will be a CD/BD set and not two separate sets for CD/DVD and BD.
-Marc.
Nice! I always get the Dream Theater live albums.
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The bonus track (that Apple Music is indicating) will be Paralyzed I would guess and FITL being in the main set. But what do I know innit.
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I bought Live at Luna Park from iTunes and almost never watch it.
Just watched Luna Park this past Saturday for the first time in a few years and man......I forgot how freaking good they sound on that! And, it's a really good set list. I didn't remember it being that good but I was SO happy me and the kiddos threw it in and watched it. They all were on point and sounded great. JR's mix was a tad low but I got past that given how good the overall sound and vibe was.
When I need a fix of ADTOE, I always listen to the Luna Park audio instead of the actual album. The live recording sounds better!
That's a live recording? :neverusethis:
I feel the same way with LSFNY and SFAM.
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I bought Live at Luna Park from iTunes and almost never watch it.
Just watched Luna Park this past Saturday for the first time in a few years and man......I forgot how freaking good they sound on that! And, it's a really good set list. I didn't remember it being that good but I was SO happy me and the kiddos threw it in and watched it. They all were on point and sounded great. JR's mix was a tad low but I got past that given how good the overall sound and vibe was.
When I need a fix of ADTOE, I always listen to the Luna Park audio instead of the actual album. The live recording sounds better!
I actually made my own version of ADTOE Live by sequencing all 9 songs into album order from the Luna Park discs. It's a veRy good compilation, and i highly recommend it to any fans of ADTOE.
-Marc.
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Cool cover! Great way to incorporate both album covers. I do find the title a tad cheesy, but it's better than simply "Live in London" "Live at the Marquee" or "Live at Luna Park" (I give L@B a pass)
I actually made my own version of ADTOE Live by sequencing all 9 songs into album order from the Luna Park discs.
Should be pretty easy to do with the canned/repetitious crowd cheering that's used. ;)
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That cover is cool! We were there and stayed at a hotel right on the right side of that bridge. Great memory!
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+1 on liking the album cover
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Distant Scenes From London
They've just uploaded a photo with caption Distant Scenes. You called it first. :tup
Distant Memories is what it says.
Oops, sorry. I got confused big time. :lol
That cover is cool! We were there and stayed at a hotel right on the right side of that bridge. Great memory!
Distant memory?
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I’m going to buy this absolutely no question but it’s probably the first DT release that I’m not at all excited about. It’s probably because I was at one of the London shows and it was the first DT show I didn’t enjoy. James sounded awful, the crowd was dead and just a really disappointing night. I assume the dvd was shot on the 2nd night so hopefully JLB was better or they can use some trickery to make it sound better. Hopefully the crowd was more up for it too knowing they were recording.
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Distant Scenes From London
They've just uploaded a photo with caption Distant Scenes. You called it first. :tup
Distant Memories is what it says.
Oops, sorry. I got confused big time. :lol
That cover is cool! We were there and stayed at a hotel right on the right side of that bridge. Great memory!
Distant memory?
It does seem like a lifetime ago. We returned Home ;D (US) on Feb 24, right before the sh!$ hit the fan!
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I’m going to buy this absolutely no question but it’s probably the first DT release that I’m not at all excited about. It’s probably because I was at one of the London shows and it was the first DT show I didn’t enjoy. James sounded awful, the crowd was dead and just a really disappointing night. I assume the dvd was shot on the 2nd night so hopefully JLB was better or they can use some trickery to make it sound better. Hopefully the crowd was more up for it too knowing they were recording.
I was there the 2nd night and James nailed it! I saw the show 4x and this was the best one! I wished there was more standing, but the woman next to me was
so stoked, I had a blast!
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I’m going to buy this absolutely no question but it’s probably the first DT release that I’m not at all excited about. It’s probably because I was at one of the London shows and it was the first DT show I didn’t enjoy. James sounded awful, the crowd was dead and just a really disappointing night. I assume the dvd was shot on the 2nd night so hopefully JLB was better or they can use some trickery to make it sound better. Hopefully the crowd was more up for it too knowing they were recording.
I saw the show twice and both time JLB was on fire!! :metal I'll but this no doubt because even though I have Lives Scenes from New York I'd like to have MM's version as well. I was 'ok' with the opening set list.....I'd have preferred more DoT songs but all in all the DVD will be great.
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I'd have preferred more DoT songs but all in all the DVD will be great.
That's what I was thinking too, they only played 6 tracks from the new album. Then I realized BTFW only has 5 songs from DT12 (FAS technically doesn't count as it's just a tape intro), but that one had a much more varied setlist than the last tour.
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I’m going to buy this absolutely no question but it’s probably the first DT release that I’m not at all excited about. It’s probably because I was at one of the London shows and it was the first DT show I didn’t enjoy. James sounded awful, the crowd was dead and just a really disappointing night. I assume the dvd was shot on the 2nd night so hopefully JLB was better or they can use some trickery to make it sound better. Hopefully the crowd was more up for it too knowing they were recording.
I'm sure there is going to be some touch ups on it. Not that I'm saying JLB sucks or anything like that, I've always thought he was solid live from the shows I've seen, but he's not perfect and I'm going to guess for a live release, they'll make it sound closer to perfect.
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Pale Blue Dot from the album is on Apple Music to stream. Out 27th November, not sure if that was mentioned yet.
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On Spotify too.
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Before I saw the show on this tour, I was speculating on whether they’d have a special tour shirt merging the 2 album covers together. After seeing the cover art, I realized that should’ve been it!
Seriously though, really excited!
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Wow, the drums sound even more impressive live.
And I love the title "Distant Memories." It is not cheesy at all, fitting for a tour that got cut short because of a pandemic.
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Cool name and cover. Not sure if I will buy. Will definitely give it a listen.
.... but it's better than simply "Live in London" "Live at the Marquee" or "Live at Luna Park" (I give L@B a pass)
No doubt.
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I'll but this no doubt because even though I have Lives Scenes from New York I'd like to have MM's version as well.
I'd have been more interested in this if they would've changed up the performances more (like they did with several songs from IaW on the 2017 tour) instead of pretty much playing everything as it is on the album (notwithstanding MM's drum solo outro to FF and other small details). I too will purchase this, but I doubt the second set will get much of an airing from me.
I'd have preferred more DoT songs but all in all the DVD will be great.
That's what I was thinking too, they only played 6 tracks from the new album. Then I realized BTFW only has 5 songs from DT12 (FAS technically doesn't count as it's just a tape intro), but that one had a much more varied setlist than the last tour.
That's what happens when you dedicate half of the show to playing a full older album, in addition to promoting your latest album. From the beginning, I had wished they would've spent the first half of 2019 focused just on d/t with a setlist that included a variety of other tracks, and then come back with a revised setlist focused on SFaM but still including a couple d/t tracks and other older songs, but obviously that's not what happened. It is what it is.
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https://open.spotify.com/track/2XNlGG9hRzEtMfiQx4oHHm?si=0XNT4XNXQTmxjEk0ZqaHOA
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I’m going to buy this absolutely no question but it’s probably the first DT release that I’m not at all excited about. It’s probably because I was at one of the London shows and it was the first DT show I didn’t enjoy. James sounded awful, the crowd was dead and just a really disappointing night. I assume the dvd was shot on the 2nd night so hopefully JLB was better or they can use some trickery to make it sound better. Hopefully the crowd was more up for it too knowing they were recording.
I was there the 2nd night and James nailed it! I saw the show 4x and this was the best one! I wished there was more standing, but the woman next to me was
so stoked, I had a blast!
That makes me feel a bit better about it. Hopefully it comes out well.
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Either I get to hear it at 10, or at Midnight.
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Nov 27! can't wait, love the cover and looking forward to watching the performance again, the show was fantastic and I even met the guys before the show. Really glad I took that plunge.
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1 hour till midnight for me, will definitely be checking this out then (might need to download spotify again but what can we do :lol)
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https://open.spotify.com/track/2XNlGG9hRzEtMfiQx4oHHm?si=0XNT4XNXQTmxjEk0ZqaHOA
:metal :metal :metal
I hope this means a video on youtube is up soon :metal Sounds good, vocals are buried in the mix but drums/guitar/keyboard sound very good
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Yay...I didn't have to wait till midnight.
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Who could've mixed the album? Maybe JP went with Andy Sneap again?
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This is a really good mix. Loving those toms. I'd say it's up there with Budokan.
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Mix sounds good, not a big fan of the snare sound.
James' voice sounds like 90% retouched though.
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I’m going to buy this absolutely no question but it’s probably the first DT release that I’m not at all excited about. It’s probably because I was at one of the London shows and it was the first DT show I didn’t enjoy. James sounded awful, the crowd was dead and just a really disappointing night. I assume the dvd was shot on the 2nd night so hopefully JLB was better or they can use some trickery to make it sound better. Hopefully the crowd was more up for it too knowing they were recording.
I was there the 2nd night and James nailed it! I saw the show 4x and this was the best one! I wished there was more standing, but the woman next to me was
so stoked, I had a blast!
That makes me feel a bit better about it. Hopefully it comes out well.
I think it sounded great! Just how I remember it, except for the little differences with the guitar..it's too exciting when you're there to catch everything. That guitar tone is so :hefdaddy
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Sounds good, enjoyed it! What the hell is this toms sound though?
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Loving those toms.
What the hell is this toms sound though?
DTF in a nutshell :lol
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That artwork is atrocious
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I may be blind but I didn't see a full tracklist so I found it on Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/Distant-Memories-London-Bonus-Track/dp/B08HYW1LS4/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=dream+theater+distant+memories&qid=1601015905&sr=8-3
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Seems like the releasedate is 27 november.
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Nice! Love both albums. First day buyer.
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I hope we get a video as well, to see the video production.
Really curious to hear more vocally demanding songs as well, even on PBD the vocal touch-ups are more than evident.
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Who could've mixed the album? Maybe JP went with Andy Sneap again?
It was mixed by Jimmy T. John said he was mixing it during his FB live chat with MP and DLR.
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Video will be released tonight :metal
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I just listened to PBD. What. Is. Up. With. The. Toms.
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I just listened to PBD. What. Is. Up. With. The. Toms.
Its Mikes kit. Time to change to Tama😀
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I just listened to PBD. What. Is. Up. With. The. Toms.
Its Mikes kit. Time to change to Tama😀
Nah, can somebody please buy this poor guy a friggin Sonor SQ2?
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Really, the mix sounds good to me, but the drums make me think...
For a long time most of us complained about the SUPER strange snare on DT12, just omitted too much of Mike's playing cause it was too low.
Then the guy goes and tunes it really well for the album DOT! But live, it seems like it doesn't have enough depth to me. It's like he really wanted to get a really high snare sound, to turn away from that low sound he was so bashed for. You could tell it from the YT videos of the tour already.
About the toms, the thing that is probably bothering you guys is the floor toms, that he chose the ones without the bottom heads. Maybe it wasn't that easy to fit them on the overall sound.
But in general I thought this mix we just listened to on PBD was an evolution! I feel Jimmy T has a lot more to offer to the band in terms of sound :metal
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I’m going to buy this absolutely no question but it’s probably the first DT release that I’m not at all excited about. It’s probably because I was at one of the London shows and it was the first DT show I didn’t enjoy. James sounded awful, the crowd was dead and just a really disappointing night. I assume the dvd was shot on the 2nd night so hopefully JLB was better or they can use some trickery to make it sound better. Hopefully the crowd was more up for it too knowing they were recording.
My suspicion is crowd shots will be taken from the first night, while the band shots will be from the second. Various reasons for thinking this, mostly related to camera positions and security which I'd explain further but it's lunchtime and I'm hungry.
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I’m going to buy this absolutely no question but it’s probably the first DT release that I’m not at all excited about. It’s probably because I was at one of the London shows and it was the first DT show I didn’t enjoy. James sounded awful, the crowd was dead and just a really disappointing night. I assume the dvd was shot on the 2nd night so hopefully JLB was better or they can use some trickery to make it sound better. Hopefully the crowd was more up for it too knowing they were recording.
I was there the 2nd night and James nailed it! I saw the show 4x and this was the best one! I wished there was more standing, but the woman next to me was
so stoked, I had a blast!
That makes me feel a bit better about it. Hopefully it comes out well.
Well, as always, people interpret differently. I thought he sounded poor on the second night, as well as on the first night. On the plus side, certainly sounds like his vocals have been properly tinkered with on Pale Blue Dot.
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The video is going to be premiered in 5 minutes - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsRT8ee97eo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsRT8ee97eo)
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Who could've mixed the album? Maybe JP went with Andy Sneap again?
It was mixed by Jimmy T. John said he was mixing it during his FB live chat with MP and DLR.
David Lee Roth?!?!?!? :omg:
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The video is going to be premiered in 5 minutes - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsRT8ee97eo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsRT8ee97eo)
That was damn good.
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The video is going to be premiered in 5 minutes - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsRT8ee97eo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsRT8ee97eo)
Well, that was....something. Mike's floor toms sounded like wet blankets to me. The stars of this performance were definitely Jordan and JP, but LaBrie wasn't bad either.
-Marc.
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Mix of shots from both nights there. The track camera was only present on the second night, whereas the on-stage up and down cameras were only there on the first night.
Just in case anyone's interested :lol
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It doesn't sound like live. Disappoting. So robotic, so unnatural. And I don't even mention sitting crowd in a live DVD with a song like PBD.
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It doesn't sound like live. Disappoting. So robotic, so unnatural. And I don't even mention sitting crowd in a live DVD with a song like PBD.
as it should be. Could have been more robotic though IMHO. (but that's just me. I love clean music.) On another note, I didn't expect PBD to be chosen as the first piece from the live album. (I like that they did it though.)
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https://centurymedia.store/dept/dream-theater
Just ordered the 3CD/2BD/2DVD artbook, which is only limited to 200 copies, so get one while you can! If it wasn't limited, I probably might have waited, but I didn't want to risk missing out.
-Marc.
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https://centurymedia.store/dept/dream-theater
Just ordered the 3CD/2BD/2DVD artbook, which is only limited to 200 copies, so get one while you can! If it wasn't limited, I probably might have waited, but I didn't want to risk missing out.
-Marc.
Thanks for the heads up, did the same.
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On another note, I didn't expect PBD to be chosen as the first piece from the live album. (I like that they did it though.)
Album singles should potentially interest "everyone", live albums are for die hard fans, they might as well give them what they know they appreciate. And also promotion style is a nice move anyway, the d/t singles are there already, a casual listener might see the new video on YouTube and think "wow, this song is very cool, not like that Untethered Angel thing they released last year, I should revisit their latest album".
Pure speculation of course, I might be totally wrong and they might have picked PBD just because :D
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Nice, I just ordered the 3CD+2Blu-Ray though.
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The Facebook post from about 35 minutes ago-
DISTANT MEMORIES - LIVE IN LONDON
Pre-order now, available 27 November 2020: https://dream-theater.lnk.to/DistantMemoriesLive
"Whether you had a chance to see this tour in person and want to relive what was hopefully an awesome concert experience or enjoying the performance on video for the first time, Distant Memories – Live In London very accurately and very beautifully captures the energy and excitement we all felt together at the Apollo this past February" - John Petrucci
Distant Memories - Live In London is our first live release since 2014’s Breaking the Fourth Wall. The new live release will be available in various configurations including digital only, a 3-CD and 2 DVD multibox, a 3-CD and 2 Blu-Ray digipak with slipcase, a limited deluxe 3-CD + 2 Blu-Ray + 2 DVD Artbook and a limited 4-LP and 3-CD box set. The video components will also feature a Behind The Scenes look at the band as we prepare for the shows!
The tracklisting for Distant Memories – Live In London is:
1. Untethered Angel
2. A Nightmare to Remember
3. Fall Into the Light
4. Barstool Warrior
5. In the Presence of Enemies – Part 1
6. Pale Blue Dot
7. Scenes Live Intro
8. Scene One: Regression
9. Scene Two: I. Overture 1928
10. Scene Two: II. Strange Déjà Vu
11. Scene Three: I. Through My Words
12. Scene Three: II. Fatal Tragedy
13. Scene Four: Beyond This Life
14. Scene Five: Through Her Eyes
15. Scene Six: Home
16. Scene Seven: I. The Dance of Eternity
17. Scene Seven: II. One Last Time
18. Scene Eight: The Spirit Carries On
19. Scene Nine: Finally Free
20. At Wit’s End
21. Paralyzed (Bonus Track)
-Marc.
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Picked up the art book and the limited gold vinyl from Revolver. This tour was one of my greatest concert experiences; saw both LA shows and did m&g with my dad on the second night :metal
To relive such an amazing show during this hellish year of no concerts is exactly what I need right now, and the release date being a day after my birthday means I felt justified in spending a lot and not feeling bad about it :lol
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So is the crowd noise fake again? Because if it is I'm going to skip this. As much as I love Dream Theater Live at Luna Park is unlistenable for me because of the fake crowd noise.
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Pre-ordered the artbook.
Mangini also explained why the Tom's sound the way they do. And his decisions for his drumkit for Mic placement
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So is the crowd noise fake again? Because if it is I'm going to skip this. As much as I love Dream Theater Live at Luna Park is unlistenable for me because of the fake crowd noise.
funny you mention Luna Park for that. BT4W has fake crowd noise. :D (that is noticable. Luna Park might have as well and I didn't)
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So is the crowd noise fake again? Because if it is I'm going to skip this. As much as I love Dream Theater Live at Luna Park is unlistenable for me because of the fake crowd noise.
funny you mention Luna Park for that. BT4W has fake crowd noise. :D (that is noticable. Luna Park might have as well and I didn't)
Really, never noticed that. TBH, I normally like to watch live albums so I rarely listen in other formats. The only DT release I frequently go back to is Budokan.
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The mix is good but James is overdubbed as fucked. Yet again the audience is gone :sad:
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https://centurymedia.store/dept/dream-theater
Just ordered the 3CD/2BD/2DVD artbook, which is only limited to 200 copies, so get one while you can! If it wasn't limited, I probably might have waited, but I didn't want to risk missing out.
-Marc.
Thanks for the heads up, did the same.
Same. I actually wasnt going to get the art book but then saw your post about the 200 limit. I'm such a sucker.
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https://centurymedia.store/dept/dream-theater
Just ordered the 3CD/2BD/2DVD artbook, which is only limited to 200 copies, so get one while you can! If it wasn't limited, I probably might have waited, but I didn't want to risk missing out.
-Marc.
Thanks for the heads up, did the same.
Same. I actually wasnt going to get the art book but then saw your post about the 200 limit. I'm such a sucker.
Yeah, maybe it makes you feel better that I preordered the red vinyl box set from InsideOut for 60 bucks. Also limited to 200 copies. Damn, why can I never resist this stuff lol
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Pre-ordered the artbook.
Mangini also explained why the Tom's sound the way they do. And his decisions for his drumkit for Mic placement
The artbook is like the size of an LP?
Those toms sound like it was added an effect on them on purpose, to sound deeper. His explanation was it?
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The mix is good but James is overdubbed as fucked. Yet again the audience is gone :sad:
Actually he’s not. Look up a fan-filmed video of the song from the London show. It’s pretty much intact, with a few tweaks here and there.
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The mix is good but James is overdubbed as fucked. Yet again the audience is gone :sad:
Actually he’s not. Look up a fan-filmed video of the song from the London show. It’s pretty much intact, with a few tweaks here and there.
I agree. (aving watched the audience one yesterday and the official one just now.)
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So is the crowd noise fake again? Because if it is I'm going to skip this. As much as I love Dream Theater Live at Luna Park is unlistenable for me because of the fake crowd noise.
That's an awesome show. Not sure how fake crowd noise can ruin a band's performance. Are you listening to the band or just the crowd? ???
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Really wish there were a DVD or BR only option. At least I don't have to buy pointless vinyl.
And am I reading this right...the video discs only include Act 1 of Scenes??? And the only bonus content is something vaguely labeled as "behind the scenes"?
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/STfLOU6iRBRunMciZv/200.gif)
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I think it must be a listing mistake, I can't imagine they're not going to include the CD 3 Scenes material on the video. Esp when they're splitting even the Bluray into two discs because they could easily have put it all on one disc.
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That's weird AF. Just saw that as well. I feel it's a mistake, can't see them scratching the second (and best) half of Scenes off video.
Either way, I hope they release a digital version on iTunes with everything on it given most music-related things I buy these days are digital.
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Ordered the artbook.
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That's weird AF. Just saw that as well. I feel it's a mistake, can't see them scratching the second (and best) half of Scenes off video.
Either way, I hope they release a digital version on iTunes with everything on it given most music-related things I buy these days are digital.
well, what I know from a previous IO release with two Blurays (which was Neal Morse's most rencent live album actually), the case was that the entire show was on the first Bluray and all the extras were on the second. I wouldn't be surprised if that will be the case with Distant Memories as well.
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https://centurymedia.store/dept/dream-theater
Just ordered the 3CD/2BD/2DVD artbook, which is only limited to 200 copies, so get one while you can! If it wasn't limited, I probably might have waited, but I didn't want to risk missing out.
-Marc.
Ordered this one as well. I'm curious as to if when it sells out if it'll be pulled from availability....or if they'll just keep selling it and deal with the fallout of delayed deliveries later? I only ask because I clearly ordered about 31/2 - 4 hours after this opened for sale. So, I'm hoping I was within the first 200 orders. They took my $$$ so I'm assuming I am.
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I absolutely hate how DT have created a live environment where it's expected you sit down and be quiet. Dead crowd and I don't blame the fans, I blame the band. The shots of people sitting really ruin the video. I mean, it's still a day 1 purchase for me, and I expected this, but actually seeing it makes me mad and almost makes me not even want to see DT live anymore.
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I absolutely hate how DT have created a live environment where it's expected you sit down and be quiet. Dead crowd and I don't blame the fans, I blame the band. The shots of people sitting really ruin the video. I mean, it's still a day 1 purchase for me, and I expected this, but actually seeing it makes me mad and almost makes me not even want to see DT live anymore.
They could never get away with that in Germany, since they mostly play arenas here. (and I say so although I have to sit during a concert) The only time they did that in Germany was during the tour for The Astonishing. My guess is that they might have wanted an environment similar to the shows in the US (where they usually play theatres) I don't know. That said, I always enjoyed the Mangini era tours I attended. (some of the Portnoy-era ones as well, in my childlike naivety at the time. I was standing earlier on btw. Not now anymore.) I still will continue going to see them live, given I like the new albums they present and given that I can manage it concerning my health. (had to skip both this tour and the ADTOE tour because of all that. I'm still mad about not being able to attend the ADTOE tour)
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So is the crowd noise fake again? Because if it is I'm going to skip this. As much as I love Dream Theater Live at Luna Park is unlistenable for me because of the fake crowd noise.
That's an awesome show. Not sure how fake crowd noise can ruin a band's performance. Are you listening to the band or just the crowd? ???
THIS! What's next, people asking for a version of the album without the band performance and just the crowd noise? :lol
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I absolutely hate how DT have created a live environment where it's expected you sit down and be quiet. Dead crowd and I don't blame the fans, I blame the band. The shots of people sitting really ruin the video. I mean, it's still a day 1 purchase for me, and I expected this, but actually seeing it makes me mad and almost makes me not even want to see DT live anymore.
I saw this show twice....once in Nashville and once in St. Louis. The show in Nashville was awesome because the crowd stood the entire time from the first hint of a note from the intro tape.....and they were energetic and 'in' to it. I was in the balcony for the StL show but from what I could tell it was a mix of stand/sit.....good crowd participation but nothing like that Nashville show.
Whereas.....a couple years back when they played StL for 'The Astonishing' NO ONE stood....at all.....it was so odd and weird and I could tell that it bothered James.
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So is the crowd noise fake again? Because if it is I'm going to skip this. As much as I love Dream Theater Live at Luna Park is unlistenable for me because of the fake crowd noise.
That's an awesome show. Not sure how fake crowd noise can ruin a band's performance. Are you listening to the band or just the crowd? ???
THIS! What's next, people asking for a version of the album without the band performance and just the crowd noise? :lol
not me certainly. That would be a Pythonian move though I guess :D
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That is a really badass way to combine the SFaM cover with the D/T album cover (name too!). Looks cool!
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I've been sitting at a DT show once, during the European ADTOE tour. It was alright, but next time I saw DT, I was standing in the first row during the DT12 tour.
I'll never sit at a DT show again.
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And am I reading this right...the video discs only include Act 1 of Scenes??? And the only bonus content is something vaguely labeled as "behind the scenes"?
From the Inside Out preorder page for the 3CD 2Blu-ray option:
Disc 1
01. Untethered Angel (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (05:57)
02. A Nightmare to Remember (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (16:37)
03. Fall Into the Light (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (07:26)
04. Barstool Warrior (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (06:41)
05. In the Presence of Enemies - Part 1 (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (08:43)
06. Pale Blue Dot (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (08:52)
Disc 2
01. Scenes Live Intro (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (01:46)
02. Scene One: Regression (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (02:06)
03. Scene Two: I. Overture 1928 (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (03:38)
04. Scene Two: II. Strange Déjà Vu (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (05:03)
05. Scene Three: I. Through My Words (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (01:02)
06. Scene Three: II. Fatal Tragedy (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (06:54)
07. Scene Four: Beyond This Life (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (11:25)
08. Scene Five: Through Her Eyes (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (06:45)
Disc 3
01. Scene Six: Home (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (13:03)
02. Scene Seven: I. The Dance of Eternity (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (06:09)
03. Scene Seven: II. One Last Time (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (03:48)
04. Scene Eight: The Spirit Carries On (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (06:40)
05. Scene Nine: Finally Free (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (12:54)
06. At Wit's End (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (09:42)
07. Paralyzed (Bonus Track) (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (04:34)
Disc 4
01. Atlas (Intro) (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (02:32)
02. Untethered Angel (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (05:51)
03. A Nightmare to Remember (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (16:20)
04. Fall Into the Light (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (07:17)
05. Barstool Warrior (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (06:42)
06. In the Presence of Enemies - Part 1 (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (08:43)
07. Pale Blue Dot (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (08:48)
Disc 5
01. Scenes Live Intro (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (01:40)
02. Scene One: Regression (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (02:06)
03. Scene Two: I. Overture 1928 (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (03:38)
04. Scene Two: II. Strange Déjà Vu (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (05:03)
05. Scene Three: I. Through My Words (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (01:37)
06. Scene Three: II. Fatal Tragedy (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (06:17)
07. Scene Four: Beyond This Life (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (11:25)
08. Scene Five: Through Her Eyes (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (06:55)
09. Scene Six: Home (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (12:53)
10. Scene Seven: I. The Dance of Eternity (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (06:13)
11. Scene Seven: II. One Last Time (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (03:48)
12. Scene Eight: The Spirit Carries On (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (06:40)
13. Scene Nine: Finally Free (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (12:36)
14. At Wit's End (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (09:33)
15. Paralyzed (Bonus Track) (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (04:35)
16. Behind The Scenes (04:03)
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I've been sitting at a DT show once, during the European ADTOE tour. It was alright, but next time I saw DT, I was standing in the first row during the DT12 tour.
I'll never sit at a DT show again.
I can see why people wouldn't want to. When I attended the DT12 tour, it was a full 3 hour outdoor show. No seats. I was knocked out for days afterwards. Wonderful show though. One of their best that I've attended.
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The mix is good but James is overdubbed as fucked. Yet again the audience is gone :sad:
Actually he’s not. Look up a fan-filmed video of the song from the London show. It’s pretty much intact, with a few tweaks here and there.
I took the time to do a bit of comparison. I do not hear overdubbing, but there has been some pitch correction, if I'm not mistaken.
So is the crowd noise fake again? Because if it is I'm going to skip this. As much as I love Dream Theater Live at Luna Park is unlistenable for me because of the fake crowd noise.
I can barely hear the crowd on the Pale blue dot video, so I assume that they didn't bother with adding the noise this time around. It's good that they didn't, because nobody would buy the fact that a seated audience is so loud. :lol
I also don't mind that the video was shot in a seated venue. It's refreshing to see people sitting down and paying attention to the intense musicianship.
Another thing that grabbed my attention. There is a guy with grey hair in the front row. Is that Derek Oliver?
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I don't remember watching the D/T & SFAM show sitting down, I remember almost everyone standing the whole time.
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And am I reading this right...the video discs only include Act 1 of Scenes??? And the only bonus content is something vaguely labeled as "behind the scenes"?
From the Inside Out preorder page for the 3CD 2Blu-ray option:
Disc 1
01. Untethered Angel (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (05:57)
02. A Nightmare to Remember (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (16:37)
03. Fall Into the Light (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (07:26)
04. Barstool Warrior (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (06:41)
05. In the Presence of Enemies - Part 1 (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (08:43)
06. Pale Blue Dot (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (08:52)
Disc 2
01. Scenes Live Intro (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (01:46)
02. Scene One: Regression (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (02:06)
03. Scene Two: I. Overture 1928 (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (03:38)
04. Scene Two: II. Strange Déjà Vu (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (05:03)
05. Scene Three: I. Through My Words (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (01:02)
06. Scene Three: II. Fatal Tragedy (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (06:54)
07. Scene Four: Beyond This Life (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (11:25)
08. Scene Five: Through Her Eyes (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (06:45)
Disc 3
01. Scene Six: Home (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (13:03)
02. Scene Seven: I. The Dance of Eternity (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (06:09)
03. Scene Seven: II. One Last Time (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (03:48)
04. Scene Eight: The Spirit Carries On (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (06:40)
05. Scene Nine: Finally Free (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (12:54)
06. At Wit's End (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (09:42)
07. Paralyzed (Bonus Track) (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (04:34)
Disc 4
01. Atlas (Intro) (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (02:32)
02. Untethered Angel (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (05:51)
03. A Nightmare to Remember (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (16:20)
04. Fall Into the Light (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (07:17)
05. Barstool Warrior (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (06:42)
06. In the Presence of Enemies - Part 1 (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (08:43)
07. Pale Blue Dot (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (08:48)
Disc 5
01. Scenes Live Intro (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (01:40)
02. Scene One: Regression (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (02:06)
03. Scene Two: I. Overture 1928 (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (03:38)
04. Scene Two: II. Strange Déjà Vu (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (05:03)
05. Scene Three: I. Through My Words (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (01:37)
06. Scene Three: II. Fatal Tragedy (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (06:17)
07. Scene Four: Beyond This Life (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (11:25)
08. Scene Five: Through Her Eyes (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (06:55)
09. Scene Six: Home (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (12:53)
10. Scene Seven: I. The Dance of Eternity (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (06:13)
11. Scene Seven: II. One Last Time (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (03:48)
12. Scene Eight: The Spirit Carries On (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (06:40)
13. Scene Nine: Finally Free (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (12:36)
14. At Wit's End (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (09:33)
15. Paralyzed (Bonus Track) (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020) (04:35)
16. Behind The Scenes (04:03)
Cool, so it was a mistake after all. So good.
Kinda bummed that the Behind The Scenes video is only 4 minutes long lol, I've been aching for years for a documentary like Score's or Budokan's but I see now that that was definitely a Portnoy thing. I know Luna Park kinda had its own documentary and stuff, but I really didn't like the overall style and direction of "Over The Edge Productions". It all felt (even the Luna Park editing) like mainstream TV content which I usually don't mind but doesn't really fit DT's style, in my humble opinion.
On that account, I loved the cinematography on this. Love that the 24fps filmy look from Budokan is back, as well as the more dark/somber vibe in the overall color grading. Live at Budokan has, in my opinion, DT's best visual directing in any of their live releases and this is such a good contender to compete against it.
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I absolutely hate how DT have created a live environment where it's expected you sit down and be quiet. Dead crowd and I don't blame the fans, I blame the band. The shots of people sitting really ruin the video. I mean, it's still a day 1 purchase for me, and I expected this, but actually seeing it makes me mad and almost makes me not even want to see DT live anymore.
That crowd was PATHETIC! Sorry, can't sugar coat it. I've never sat at any of the dozen or so DT shows I've been to (including The Astonishing). I also never remember any of those shows where the first 10 plus rows weren't majority standing. Not to call you out Bro but why do you say DT created the sitting environment? Where people told to stay seated during filming or something?
Also... when the hell did JB get the sleeve on his right arm? :lol
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I absolutely hate how DT have created a live environment where it's expected you sit down and be quiet. Dead crowd and I don't blame the fans, I blame the band. The shots of people sitting really ruin the video. I mean, it's still a day 1 purchase for me, and I expected this, but actually seeing it makes me mad and almost makes me not even want to see DT live anymore.
I don't see how the band has "created a live environment where it's expected you sit down and be quiet" during the last few tours.
Budokan was a seated venue, Radio City Music Hall in Score was a seated venue. And apart from the two Astonishing concerts I attended (which were their own thing I guess), I personally have never seen the band live while sitting during the last ten years.
I agree, however, that DT concerts should be standing concerts. It's very well thought through and complex music, yes. But it's also friggin metal that you should be able to rock out to.
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I absolutely hate how DT have created a live environment where it's expected you sit down and be quiet. Dead crowd and I don't blame the fans, I blame the band. The shots of people sitting really ruin the video. I mean, it's still a day 1 purchase for me, and I expected this, but actually seeing it makes me mad and almost makes me not even want to see DT live anymore.
That crowd was PATHETIC! Sorry, can't sugar coat it. I've never sat at any of the dozen or so DT shows I've been to (including The Astonishing). I also never remember any of those shows where the first 10 plus rows weren't majority standing. Not to call you out Bro but why do you say DT created the sitting environment? Where people told to stay seated during filming or something?
Also... when the hell did JB get the sleeve on his right arm? :lol
There was actually an extra thread for this :lol
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=54308.msg2585159#msg2585159
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Oh man, I was hoping the Behind the Scenes was long and it was the reason why the Bluray is split into 2. Kind of odd for the split - less compression which is great, but still.
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Finally watched that video. Mix on youtube actually sounds and great, love the look and feel of the video as well. I really can't wait for this release now.
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I watched the PBD video. It sounded good but felt kind of awkward. Maybe it was the close-ups with Labrie and the gimmicky skull mic stand. I know, it's rock-n-roll and I should lighten up but DT needs to step up their game a bit when it comes to presenting themselves. Just my opinion, John Myung is the only one with good stage presence up on the front lines.
Their musicianship is beyond amazing so I will definitely buy this release since they haven't been to my area since TA tour. :coolio
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Wish they would actually release it on 4K bluray - obviously it was filmed in 4k. I know not too many people have UHD bluray players (unless they have an Xbox One X or are getting the new Xbox/PS5), so I'd even take it in 4k on itunes.
I hate this era of Youtube videos being in higher quality than the physical media (obviously there is compression on Youtube, but still).
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I don't remember watching the D/T & SFAM show sitting down, I remember almost everyone standing the whole time.
I was at the Wiltern in LA in the 1st of two nights in their run there, last year. Solid show for a performance stance. Sure, it was on the louder end of the shows I've seen in 2019, but that's not a deal-breaker. Everyone was standing, also not a deal breaker. The deal-breaker for me was when there was someone a couple of rows in front of me that was standing on the bloody chair and blocked my view. I complained about this in the tour thread many times after the show. In the five shows, I've seen in the span of March 2019 - February 2020 at The Wiltern (Within Temptation, DT, Switchfoot, Sevendust/Skillet, and Alter Bridge), I would have to rate the DT one as the least enjoyable of the bunch and mainly it was due to the seating arrangements for that show where all the other shows I saw was open GA in the floor section where you have to pay more to get into the pit GA. If you wanted seats, you would need to pay for the section in the second floor of the theater. Seats in the floor section are no good for me in that venue.
I do recall DT coming back in Riverside in a more suitable theater where it's built in seats in the floor and it's designed where you can be in the far back and it wouldn't hinder your view unless you have a tall guy in the row in front of you (which happened to me in the Switchfoot show at that same venue in November, but that wasn't a deal breaker). I didn't go to that one mainly due to ticket prices and that there was no incentive for me to go again due to the constant setlist.
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I don't remember watching the D/T & SFAM show sitting down, I remember almost everyone standing the whole time.
I was the Wiltern in LA in the 1st of two nights in their run there, last year. . . .
I was at one of the Wiltern shows (I think it might have been the second night since I think they played Thursday and Friday). I was in the second row, center section, on the aisle on JM's side. A large majority of those around me stood for the whole show, but I was actually surprised that some folks in the first five or so rows mostly sat. Why would you buy tickets that close if you only want to sit?
I also saw them at the Wiltern on I&W&B, but I was up in the Mezzanine, and pretty much everyone sat for most of the show, which didn't surprise me at all.
As far as the new release, what is the "DVD artbook"? Is it worth the extra $20?
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I'm going to assume the artbook is a large print version of the CD insert plus extra things printed on there. Like an interview etc..
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Excited for this release. I enjoyed the video.
What's up with LaBrie and his appearance? His face looks....different. Did he get some work done? Gain some weight? Also the hair man. Let it go gray. You're in your 50's.
Excellent musicianship all around. I expect some post performace tweaking so that's nothing new.
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Yeah JLB looks really rough in that video. I've noticed they look much older now obviously but some of them more than others.
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Saw the video, sounds nice, clear and full, at least fuller than the studio version, as it should be!
James more than acceptable, quite good performance.
Nice seeing a chick at 2:59 clearly into the song :D but yeah, sitting people.... nope :tdwn
What's the "tablet" to the left of Mangini? a place for him to read the notes just like Rudess does?
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Saw the video, sounds nice, clear and full, at least fuller than the studio version, as it should be!
James more than acceptable, quite good performance.
Nice seeing a chick at 2:59 clearly into the song :D but yeah, sitting people.... nope :tdwn
What's the "tablet" to the left of Mangini? a place for him to read the notes just like Rudess does?
can I have a timestamp?
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I don't remember watching the D/T & SFAM show sitting down, I remember almost everyone standing the whole time.
I was the Wiltern in LA in the 1st of two nights in their run there, last year. . . .
I was at one of the Wiltern shows (I think it might have been the second night since I think they played Thursday and Friday). I was in the second row, center section, on the aisle on JM's side. A large majority of those around me stood for the whole show, but I was actually surprised that some folks in the first five or so rows mostly sat. Why would you buy tickets that close if you only want to sit?
I also saw them at the Wiltern on I&W&B, but I was up in the Mezzanine, and pretty much everyone sat for most of the show, which didn't surprise me at all.
As far as the new release, what is the "DVD artbook"? Is it worth the extra $20?
The artbook has all the media (3 CDs, 2 Blurays, 2 DVDs) and (most likely) more photos and extended liner notes and maybe an essay. It's an LP-sized book. Live At Luna Park had that type of release as well (and D/T as well)
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I dug the PBD video. The production is the most cinematic a DT live release has been since Budokan. Everything since then has looked really cheap and sterile.
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I dug the PBD video. The production is the most cinematic a DT live release has been since Budokan. Everything since then has looked really cheap and sterile.
I love the cinematic look too. A lot. I do think Luna Park has some aspects of that too though (the swoops at the very beginning as an example), maybe not as strong as PBD does.
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Why would you buy tickets that close if you only want to sit?
To be closer and see the band better maybe? We had front row seats at the DoT 2nd leg show in Mesa AZ and sat the whole time, except after the encore. I'm a tall guy. Even if someone behind me was standing, they couldn't see as good if I was standing. What difference does it make anyway? How does someone's enjoyment of a concert depend on whether they sit or stand? I can't believe people actually bitch and whine about fake crowd noise and whether people sit or stand at live shows. Ridiculous. :\
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Saw the video, sounds nice, clear and full, at least fuller than the studio version, as it should be!
James more than acceptable, quite good performance.
Nice seeing a chick at 2:59 clearly into the song :D but yeah, sitting people.... nope :tdwn
What's the "tablet" to the left of Mangini? a place for him to read the notes just like Rudess does?
can I have a timestamp?
2:44 (https://youtu.be/jsRT8ee97eo?t=164). I looked and it's showing the setlist, basically.
I really really want to pre-order this, but I live in a country where the postal service was already bad enough and now with our borders closed due to the pandemic, I won't even try to order anything from outside the country. Would love to find a way to buy the video performances digitally.
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I absolutely hate how DT have created a live environment where it's expected you sit down and be quiet. Dead crowd and I don't blame the fans, I blame the band. The shots of people sitting really ruin the video. I mean, it's still a day 1 purchase for me, and I expected this, but actually seeing it makes me mad and almost makes me not even want to see DT live anymore.
That crowd was PATHETIC! Sorry, can't sugar coat it. I've never sat at any of the dozen or so DT shows I've been to (including The Astonishing). I also never remember any of those shows where the first 10 plus rows weren't majority standing. Not to call you out Bro but why do you say DT created the sitting environment? Where people told to stay seated during filming or something?
Also... when the hell did JB get the sleeve on his right arm? :lol
I second that. I went to see them in New Brunswick the second time they came around (last October), and everyone started sitting down after they came out. I tried getting people to stand up for Nightmare to Remember, but the guy behind me told me to sit down. Sit down?! Really?! What is this, an opera? Never seen a rock or metal show with everyone sitting before.
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Why would you buy tickets that close if you only want to sit?
To be closer and see the band better maybe? We had front row seats at the DoT 2nd leg show in Mesa AZ and sat the whole time, except after the encore. I'm a tall guy. Even if someone behind me was standing, they couldn't see as good if I was standing. What difference does it make anyway? How does someone's enjoyment of a concert depend on whether they sit or stand? I can't believe people actually bitch and whine about fake crowd noise and whether people sit or stand at live shows. Ridiculous. :\
It's humans. They do these things. I'm usually happy to see DT (or most other artists I go see live) and that's it and I don't care about fake crowd noise, although I notice it sometimes. (it's just that I have to be in a seat, can't do standing room shows anymore.)
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Why would you buy tickets that close if you only want to sit?
To be closer and see the band better maybe? We had front row seats at the DoT 2nd leg show in Mesa AZ and sat the whole time, except after the encore. I'm a tall guy. Even if someone behind me was standing, they couldn't see as good if I was standing. What difference does it make anyway? How does someone's enjoyment of a concert depend on whether they sit or stand? I can't believe people actually bitch and whine about fake crowd noise and whether people sit or stand at live shows. Ridiculous. :\
It's not bitching or whining, it's just their opinions. If someone prefers standing over sitting during a concert, how is that ridiculous?
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Why would you buy tickets that close if you only want to sit?
To be closer and see the band better maybe? We had front row seats at the DoT 2nd leg show in Mesa AZ and sat the whole time, except after the encore. I'm a tall guy. Even if someone behind me was standing, they couldn't see as good if I was standing. What difference does it make anyway? How does someone's enjoyment of a concert depend on whether they sit or stand? I can't believe people actually bitch and whine about fake crowd noise and whether people sit or stand at live shows. Ridiculous. :\
It's not bitching or whining, it's just their opinions. If someone prefers standing over sitting during a concert, how is that ridiculous?
Some folks have problems with others expressing opinions. What'cha gonna do?
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I can't believe people actually bitch and whine about fake crowd noise and whether people sit or stand at live shows. Ridiculous. :\
As others have already said, it's ridiculous that someone can't post an opinion that (heaven forbid) opposes your own. ::)
I DO have a problem with the fake crowd noise, because if the band can't have something so simple and minor like crowd noise as being legitimate, how much other fakery is going on a supposed "live" release? Not saying that some minor fixes here and there aren't OK – I never had a problem with some *minor* post-production work, such as fixing JP's guitar drop out during UaGM on Score – but when a bunch of re-recording has to be done, it DOES take away from it being a truly legitimate live release. And I know I'm not alone in feeling this way.
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How do you even recognize fake crowd noise? it's something copied and pasted like the Wilheim's scream or you can somehow tell the difference between a genuine one and a pre-recorded one?
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How do you even recognize fake crowd noise? it's something copied and pasted like the Wilheim's scream or you can somehow tell the difference between a genuine one and a pre-recorded one?
I think it's pure speculation. BTFW was kinda obvious because the crowd sounds like they're in a huge arena wheras the venue is a slightly more intimate theater. Luna Park is three times the size of the Boston or London venues so the crowd ambience in that film sounds more convincing, at least to my ears. Also, American DT fans are not as loud as South American/European fans. This is not criticism but pure truth. I've seen them like 5 times in Mexico and I've seen them twice in the US and the crowd reaction is worlds apart from place to place. It's not a bad thing per se, it's just what it is.
Disclaimer: I'm Mexican and very conscious Mexico is a part of North America and not South America, but our Latin American culture brings us closer to the rest of the continent than to the US, so that's where my comparison came from lol.
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Maybe the crowd noise was real, and it was just mixed way higher in the mix?
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I kinda hate the cover, would have at least removed the British flag and made the robot's hand more gold. But it's not like that matters one bit, just that this will probably be the last time we're discussing it :lol I can't even remember the cover of BFTW!
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How do you even recognize fake crowd noise? it's something copied and pasted like the Wilheim's scream or you can somehow tell the difference between a genuine one and a pre-recorded one?
Don’t notice it so much on BTFW but it’s obvious on the Luna Park show as they have looped the crowd audio and there’s a scream or whistle (I can’t remember which) that keeps repeating. The whole Luna Park video looks and sounds incredibly amateurish to me apart from DT’s actual performance which is great, just a shame it wasn’t lit or filmed very well.
As for PBD from London, not thrilled by it. Just seems a lack of energy both on stage and in the crowd. La Brie looks out of shape (even more than usual). I’m going to get it anyway but, if I was on the fence, this wouldn’t sell it to me at all.
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https://centurymedia.store/dept/dream-theater
Just ordered the 3CD/2BD/2DVD artbook, which is only limited to 200 copies, so get one while you can! If it wasn't limited, I probably might have waited, but I didn't want to risk missing out.
-Marc.
Thanks for the heads up, did the same.
Same. I actually wasnt going to get the art book but then saw your post about the 200 limit. I'm such a sucker.
Yeah, maybe it makes you feel better that I preordered the red vinyl box set from InsideOut for 60 bucks. Also limited to 200 copies. Damn, why can I never resist this stuff lol
Looks like Red Vinyl and Art Book are already sold out.
Also, got a chance to listen to PBD on my way back to work. I don't know if it was the fact that it was youtube through my phone over my car speakers or if it really will sound like this but Mangini sounds MONSTROUS. Almost too much. LaBrie was kind of low in the mix. Overall it sounded good and I'm happy.
Also, people sitting down at concerts :tdwn
I saw DT on the second DoT leg, I managed to get front row seats, it was a work night, I've been having knee/hip problems, I was tired, and I'll be damned if I was going to sit down. Ok, well for the slower parts I did. Otherwise, I was up and rocking.
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I think the sound and mix are great. Just the tons sound a bit too deep, but I think it's kind of some effect used in this song. Let's see the other songs. The band's takes are also great!
It seems the crowd is low because they are watching the show quietly, really paying attention. I think that the applauses at end demonstrated that they were very into it. Personally, if any rock band make a live DVD, they should record it with the crowd standing. It brings much more energy, no doubt, specially from the people in front of the stage. It makes look much cooler.
Now, if there's something that really bugs me A LOT in this video, it's the couple at 5:36 mark looking to the cel phone in the middle of that wonderful instrumental part. :facepalm:
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Regarding the track list, https://centurymedia.store/product/Y4CDCE400/dream-theater-distant-memories-live-in-london-3cd2bluray-digipack?cp=102832_103046_104294 is still only showing the first 1/2 of Scenes on the 2nd BR disc
BLU-RAY 1:
Untethered Angel (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020)
A Nightmare to Remember (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020)
Fall Into the Light (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020)
Barstool Warrior (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020)
In the Presence of Enemies - Part 1 (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020)
Pale Blue Dot (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020)
BLU-RAY 2:
Scenes Live Intro (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020)
Scene One: Regression (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020)
Scene Two: I. Overture 1928 (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020)
Scene Two: II. Strange Déjà Vu (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020)
Scene Three: I. Through My Words (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020)
Scene Three: II. Fatal Tragedy (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020)
Scene Four: Beyond This Life (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020)
Scene Five: Through Her Eyes (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020)
At Wit's End (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020)
Paralyzed (Bonus Track) (Live at Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, 2020)
Behind The Scenes
And why does it need 2 BlueRay discs anyway?
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I thought James had face work years ago..
That first line..."So far away from home".. WTF? That sounded awful. It sounds like that whole verse was autotuned to death. But that first line does not sound good.
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Man, you folks really know how to ruin a good thing. Every time this band releases something, every one finds something to bitch about.
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https://centurymedia.store/dept/dream-theater
Just ordered the 3CD/2BD/2DVD artbook, which is only limited to 200 copies, so get one while you can! If it wasn't limited, I probably might have waited, but I didn't want to risk missing out.
-Marc.
Thanks for the heads up, did the same.
Same. I actually wasnt going to get the art book but then saw your post about the 200 limit. I'm such a sucker.
Yeah, maybe it makes you feel better that I preordered the red vinyl box set from InsideOut for 60 bucks. Also limited to 200 copies. Damn, why can I never resist this stuff lol
Looks like Red Vinyl and Art Book are already sold out.
So glad I ordered the artbook then! Although it took at least 6 ot 7 hours to sell out!
-Marc.
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How do you even recognize fake crowd noise? it's something copied and pasted like the Wilheim's scream or you can somehow tell the difference between a genuine one and a pre-recorded one?
I think it's pure speculation.
Not at all. See below.
Don’t notice it so much on BTFW but it’s obvious on the Luna Park show as they have looped the crowd audio and there’s a scream or whistle (I can’t remember which) that keeps repeating.
All of this. It really is obvious and just lazy editing.
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2020 has already gotten many people used to fake crowd noise from watching sports :lol
For me, it's not easy to tell and I don't think I ever noticed on LALP but I trust those who picked it up. I definitely would rather not have ANYTHING fake in a live performance and video, but it's not the worst thing. The work on JLB's vocals bother me more, although I think lowering him in the mix kind of helps not really make that too much of a problem. JP/MM/JR is the reason to get this live album, JLB and fake crowd noises don't ruin this for me. The dead crowd is the worst part IMO, and that's because it's real.
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Just my opinion, John Myung is the only one with good stage presence up on the front lines.
Boy, it's a bad sign when John Myung has the best stage presence in your band.
Actually, that could be said about the bass player in most every rock band.
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2020 has already gotten many people used to fake crowd noise from watching sports :lol
For me, it's not easy to tell and I don't think I ever noticed on LALP but I trust those who picked it up. I definitely would rather not have ANYTHING fake in a live performance and video, but it's not the worst thing. The work on JLB's vocals bother me more, although I think lowering him in the mix kind of helps not really make that too much of a problem. JP/MM/JR is the reason to get this live album, JLB and fake crowd noises don't ruin this for me. The dead crowd is the worst part IMO, and that's because it's real.
Truth. I'd just prefer to have sports with no fake crowd noise. I want to hear the way the players hear.
Honestly, I never listen to LALP. It doesn't even sound live. Neither does BTFW. I prefer the boot.
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I am really loving the drum mix on this, and also the main mix, but mainly the drums. The toms really sound great and blend real well with the Bass Drums. The cymbals are nice and crisp and clear. I can see why they chose Pale Blue Dot as it's first release, it showcases the drums (and mix) with the instrumental section. Those scenes songs, A Nightmare to Remember, and In The Presence of Enemies Pt.1 are gonna sound amazing just because of the drum mix.
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Man, you folks really know how to ruin a good thing. Every time this band releases something, every one finds something to bitch about.
Well, welcome to DTF :lol
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Man, you folks really know how to ruin a good thing. Every time this band releases something, every one finds something to bitch about.
Yeah, no shit. I was gonna say that I’ve seen that set list twice live, but apparently fake crowd noise and people sitting during the concert is more offensive, so I’ll just keep quiet about the set list. At the end of the day, it’s all good anyway.
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OK so, I watched PBD again just now (and it's my favourite on D/T, so I was very happy for that one to be chosen as a taster for the live album) and I have to say it's very enjoyable and the overall presentation of it is very "well rounded" as it were. (I like that the mix is very balanced to me, the overall visual aspect is very cinematic. I could even hear JM rather well, which is always nice.) I'm somewhat excited for the album. Even the house lights of Hammersmith Apollo went blue at the end, see if you'll notice it too :D I also like that FITL is in the main set and Paralyzed is the bonus track. (I don't hate Paralyzed, but I think FITL is more fitting coming off of ANTR and then going into Barstool afterwards, the Morricone section being a particularly nice relief for the ears there.)
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I’m surprised that they put Paralyzed as a bonus track. I thought they would’ve just edited it into the main show.
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I am really loving the drum mix on this, and also the main mix, but mainly the drums. The toms really sound great and blend real well with the Bass Drums. The cymbals are nice and crisp and clear. I can see why they chose Pale Blue Dot as it's first release, it showcases the drums (and mix) with the instrumental section. Those scenes songs, A Nightmare to Remember, and In The Presence of Enemies Pt.1 are gonna sound amazing just because of the drum mix.
Really enjoying the overall mix too... way better than BTFW.
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I am really loving the drum mix on this, and also the main mix, but mainly the drums. The toms really sound great and blend real well with the Bass Drums. The cymbals are nice and crisp and clear. I can see why they chose Pale Blue Dot as it's first release, it showcases the drums (and mix) with the instrumental section. Those scenes songs, A Nightmare to Remember, and In The Presence of Enemies Pt.1 are gonna sound amazing just because of the drum mix.
Really enjoying the overall mix too... way better than BTFW.
Breaking The Fourth Wall had this weird compression sound with it. I can't explain it either.
Distant Memories has a more clear open sound that actually breathes.
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I’m surprised that they put Paralyzed as a bonus track. I thought they would’ve just edited it into the main show.
I thought the same thing...
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Well it sure sounds good, the playing is great and I'm not complaining about the crowd..much..But here's my question, if you're going to make a live dvd/blu-ray and especially after the lost opportunity of documenting TA..why not make it super special?
The band planned to film two shows in London, brilliant! Also wants to celebrate ASFAM..but you understandable have a short list of songs that's going to make it in the first act..Why not prepare two different lists for the first act? They could easily have done it. The fans would loved to be surprised, the band would be pumped not only by playing some new-old material but also the feedback that they would get live..
Choosing a fixed playlist for the tour, is their choice, I came to respect that, but by putting a little more effort just for this live would show that they cared a little more..Everyone would be happy and it would make for a much more worthwhile purchase!
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Well it sure sounds good, the playing is great and I'm not complaining about the crowd either..much..But here's my question, if you're going to make a live dvd/blu-ray and especially after the lost opportunity of documenting TA..why not make it super special?
The band planned to film two shows in London, brilliant! Also wants to celebrate ASFAM..but you understandable have a short list of songs that's going to make it in the first act..Why not prepare two different lists for the first act? They could easily have done it. The fans would loved to be surprised, the band would be pumped not only by playing some new-old material but also the feedback that they would get live..
Choosing a fixed playlist for the tour, is their choice, I came to respect that, but by putting a little more effort just for this live would show that they cared a little more..Everyone would be happy and it would make for a much more worthwhile purchase!
Totally get where you’re coming from, but they probably wanted to keep this simple and have it be a representation of the whole tour. And the whole tour had the same setlist for the most part.
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Also, I know they're superhuman musicians who can play everything, but rehearsing a different setlist (and therefore live show) and playing it first the night the camera are rolling seems counterproductive.... a fixed setlist helped them staying more focused and tight
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As a rule, I would say that I like the live album of a tour to be pretty close to what I saw at my show so it’s like a momento of the tour even if it’s not the night that I was there. That’s not to say you can’t do a one-off special for an anniversary or with an orchestra or something with a special set list but when it’s just something to document the tour, I’d prefer it to have the same set.
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Kinda bummed the only way to buy it on CD is with a BR, which is too expensive. Guess I'll have to burn the digital to CD.
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Listening / watching PBD now. Thoughts along the way:
- I hope James is OK, he looks rather tired here and his face all swollen!
- Great playing as always
- James sounds good. No idea how much is fixed post recording, but I don't care that much. It's still him singing.
- The guys really need to work on their stage presence. They're turning into a parody of themselves, four guys locked in the "zone" playing their stuff. No interaction with the crowd whatsoever, they could just as well be playing in a basement all by themselves.
Not sure if I'll pick this up, but then again Christmas is approaching and I need something for my wish list. :)
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I guess all that Barbeque Chicken and Grilling in the Studio for to LaBrie...
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Kinda bummed the only way to buy it on CD is with a BR, which is too expensive. Guess I'll have to burn the digital to CD.
So wait?? I can't just buy the CD?
Amazon has the CD at $30.98. :omg: Wut??
Mp3 at $26.97 WTF??
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Kinda bummed the only way to buy it on CD is with a BR, which is too expensive. Guess I'll have to burn the digital to CD.
So wait?? I can't just buy the CD?
Amazon has the CD at $30.98. :omg: Wut??
Mp3 at $26.97 WTF??
A lot of the combination these days are WTF, they have some weird combinations I guess it makes sense for them. Sometimes they'll have the CDs only with DVDs and the Bluray standalone or vice versa, many times I never get the combination I really want. I usually only make the exception for DT and sometimes a couple other releases.
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Listening / watching PBD now. Thoughts along the way:
- I hope James is OK, he looks rather tired here and his face all swollen!
- Great playing as always
- James sounds good. No idea how much is fixed post recording, but I don't care that much. It's still him singing.
- The guys really need to work on their stage presence. They're turning into a parody of themselves, four guys locked in the "zone" playing their stuff. No interaction with the crowd whatsoever, they could just as well be playing in a basement all by themselves.
Not sure if I'll pick this up, but then again Christmas is approaching and I need something for my wish list. :)
The stage presence is surprising because when I saw them last March I thought they were having the most fun I’ve seen them have since Mangini joined. I remember James standing behind the drum riser head banging during the instrumental part of ANTR. He didn’t always go straight back to his hut during instrumentals, he actually interacted with the audience. Same goes for everyone in the band that night. That was my favorite DT show
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So wait?? I can't just buy the CD?
Amazon has the CD at $30.98. :omg: Wut??
Mp3 at $26.97 WTF??
Exactly. It better be a FLAC for that price.
How does James sound in SFAM? I'm scared to hear those high notes.
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Dang, I missed out on the artbook. Wonder if they might do a 2nd printing. Not interested in the Gold LP and artbook set that doesn't have any video footage. UPDATE: I was able to purchase the artbook via a third party vendor - so all is good.
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Is there going to be just a DVD version? Or just digital option for the video?
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2nd night 2nd row. You can see me trying to do my best to make some noise even sitting.
I'm italian, I went there just to see the show. I'm used to see a concert standing, jumping... but I couldn't do it unfortunately.
Probably it's in their culture to enjoy a concert in that way, I don't know, but of course there are unwritten rules: if the guy behind you is sitting, you can't spend all the concert standing. Imagine with an entire theatre(er) behind you...
BTW, great night... They uploaded just one song, I don't think it's enough to decide if they were on fire or not... I sang the entire TSCO chorus with JP singing with me and looking me in the eyes. That was the least etherosexual moment of my life! :blush :lol (no disrespect for the LGBT community, I'm just joking!!!)
PBD is probably the most tecnical song of the album, so maybe they were just focused on the song. MM puts so much energy to me!
JLB did his best as always. The only time James "ruined" a concert that I attended was in TA tour. He had the flu, in fact they had to cancel some concerts after.
He's doing his best and I really appreciate that. I dont' care about his weight and I have to say that with the tattoo he's pretty badass!!! :yarr
Can't wait to have have the DVD in my haandss. One of my dreams was to see one of their DVDs in person. I can even see myself, so I'm more than satisfied and excited!!!
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JLB did his best as always. The only time James "ruined" a concert that I attended was in TA tour. He had the flu, in fact they had to cancel some concerts after.
Probably the same one I've seen, third night in Milan, uh?
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The only time I've sat down during a DT concert is for a ballad. Otherwise I'm rockin out.
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JLB did his best as always. The only time James "ruined" a concert that I attended was in TA tour. He had the flu, in fact they had to cancel some concerts after.
Probably the same one I've seen, third night in Milan, uh?
Last night in Milan. I think it was Saturday, cause I took the train for Trieste and I read that it was canceled when I was almost there... :censored
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To think I was considering spending a ridiculous sum of money to travel from Serbia to Trieste for that concert. I dodged a bullet there. ;D
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Video was awesome, really well captured and sounds great.
Only things I'm not huge on is the cover art (looks a bit cheap/fan made to me - maybe a few too many images they've tried to mash together?) and how short the behind the scenes supposedly is. Otherwise, very much looking forward.
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Kinda bummed the only way to buy it on CD is with a BR, which is too expensive. Guess I'll have to burn the digital to CD.
So wait?? I can't just buy the CD?
Amazon has the CD at $30.98. :omg: Wut??
Mp3 at $26.97 WTF??
Under "Editorial Reviews" for the CD it says "3CD + 2 Blu-ray DVD Digipak in Slipcase". Same price as the CD+Blu-Ray version at Century Media.
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I bought this because I want to support the band. I went for the 5LP/3CD/2DVD and Partridge In a Pear Tree combo, or something.
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Listening / watching PBD now. Thoughts along the way:
- I hope James is OK, he looks rather tired here and his face all swollen!
- Great playing as always
- James sounds good. No idea how much is fixed post recording, but I don't care that much. It's still him singing.
- The guys really need to work on their stage presence. They're turning into a parody of themselves, four guys locked in the "zone" playing their stuff. No interaction with the crowd whatsoever, they could just as well be playing in a basement all by themselves.
Not sure if I'll pick this up, but then again Christmas is approaching and I need something for my wish list. :)
Yes, when I saw James, I did a double take as he looks so different with his face so swollen. Does anyone know if he has any health issues because steroids can cause something like that. I hope he's OK.
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I'm looking at some of the meet and greet pictures in April 2019 and James looks ok there. Really wonder what happened after.
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I bought this because I want to support the band. I went for the 5LP/3CD/2DVD and Partridge In a Pear Tree combo, or something.
If I bought that, I'd need someone to support me!
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Listening / watching PBD now. Thoughts along the way:
- I hope James is OK, he looks rather tired here and his face all swollen!
- Great playing as always
- James sounds good. No idea how much is fixed post recording, but I don't care that much. It's still him singing.
- The guys really need to work on their stage presence. They're turning into a parody of themselves, four guys locked in the "zone" playing their stuff. No interaction with the crowd whatsoever, they could just as well be playing in a basement all by themselves.
Not sure if I'll pick this up, but then again Christmas is approaching and I need something for my wish list. :)
Yes, when I saw James, I did a double take as he looks so different with his face so swollen. Does anyone know if he has any health issues because steroids can cause something like that. I hope he's OK.
My first thought was that he had gotten sick or that he was on the cusp of getting sick and so he took some shots to mitigate that. Singers do that sometimes when they get a cold and such. Whatever it was, he looks the same as he always did in the recent video.
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Listening / watching PBD now. Thoughts along the way:
- I hope James is OK, he looks rather tired here and his face all swollen!
- Great playing as always
- James sounds good. No idea how much is fixed post recording, but I don't care that much. It's still him singing.
- The guys really need to work on their stage presence. They're turning into a parody of themselves, four guys locked in the "zone" playing their stuff. No interaction with the crowd whatsoever, they could just as well be playing in a basement all by themselves.
Not sure if I'll pick this up, but then again Christmas is approaching and I need something for my wish list. :)
Yes, when I saw James, I did a double take as he looks so different with his face so swollen. Does anyone know if he has any health issues because steroids can cause something like that. I hope he's OK.
My first thought was that he had gotten sick or that he was on the cusp of getting sick and so he took some shots to mitigate that. Singers do that sometimes when they get a cold and such. Whatever it was, he looks the same as he always did in the recent video.
I believe this is due to Botox or face fillers (not sure though); it is well known that the face swells after a an injectable filler treatment.
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I believe this is due to Botox or face fillers (not sure though); it is well known that the face swells after a an injectable filler treatment.
Doesn't check out visually to me (and I know a thing or two about both), plus people who get Botox and/or fillers usually know not to get it right before an important event because of the possible effects. Not saying he never got any, men of all professions can and do get Botox and fillers, but to go for a treatment in the middle of a tour outside of your home country would be pretty dumb.
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To me, he looks like he just put on a bit of extra weight. That's all. He looked exactly like that when I saw the band in Budapest.
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Maybe food poisoning due to a contaminated shrimp?
Oh god, it's 1994 all over again.
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I've watched the PBD video a couple times. As usual, great performance...BUT, where's the energy? At times they look so uber focused on getting their parts right that they almost forget, at the core, it's a rock show. That was the area MP shone the brightest. Showmanship and coolness factor.
Oh well, guess it happens to all of us as we age.
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I've watched the PBD video a couple times. As usual, great performance...BUT, where's the energy? At times they look so uber focused on getting their parts right that they almost forget, at the core, it's a rock show. That was the area MP shone the brightest. Showmanship and coolness factor.
Oh well, guess it happens to all of us as we age.
Mangini is as energetic as one can be. The only difference is that he's not as often in the edit as Portnoy usually was during his time.
The rest of the guys seem to me as they've been for the past 15 years or so.
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I think the video is representative of the stage Presence the band has had in the last five or so years. The guys are getting older and cannot be expected to put on rock poses continually, and the fact that they were never too energetic to begin with doesn't help neither. This is Dream Theater today, for better or worse.
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I would worry if they couldn't play the stuff anymore, not about their "stage presence".
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I've watched the PBD video a couple times. As usual, great performance...BUT, where's the energy? At times they look so uber focused on getting their parts right that they almost forget, at the core, it's a rock show. That was the area MP shone the brightest. Showmanship and coolness factor.
Oh well, guess it happens to all of us as we age.
Mangini is as energetic as one can be. The only difference is that he's not as often in the edit as Portnoy usually was during his time.
The rest of the guys seem to me as they've been for the past 15 years or so.
I'd say closer to 25 than 15.
Rudess is tied to down in the same way as Mangini, except when he uses his keytar, which he does with roughly the same frequency as he has since he started it.
Myung has been a statue at least since the SFAM tour. I have to admit though, I&W era Myung on the larger stages would be a lot of fun.
Petrucci never did a ton of moving/running around and hasn't really changed anything in as long as I can remember. Maybe it was falling off the stage that glued his feet down.
Even the guy with the most freedom to run around -- Labrie -- has never been Dickinsonian.
And I'm one who never really cared about any of the stuff MP did, so that's no change for me.
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Listening / watching PBD now. Thoughts along the way:
- I hope James is OK, he looks rather tired here and his face all swollen!
- Great playing as always
- James sounds good. No idea how much is fixed post recording, but I don't care that much. It's still him singing.
- The guys really need to work on their stage presence. They're turning into a parody of themselves, four guys locked in the "zone" playing their stuff. No interaction with the crowd whatsoever, they could just as well be playing in a basement all by themselves.
Not sure if I'll pick this up, but then again Christmas is approaching and I need something for my wish list. :)
Yes, when I saw James, I did a double take as he looks so different with his face so swollen. Does anyone know if he has any health issues because steroids can cause something like that. I hope he's OK.
My first thought was that he had gotten sick or that he was on the cusp of getting sick and so he took some shots to mitigate that. Singers do that sometimes when they get a cold and such. Whatever it was, he looks the same as he always did in the recent video.
James was puffy last year also when I saw them twice, in January and again in October. In this new video, MM looks heavier too.
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Listening / watching PBD now. Thoughts along the way:
- I hope James is OK, he looks rather tired here and his face all swollen!
- Great playing as always
- James sounds good. No idea how much is fixed post recording, but I don't care that much. It's still him singing.
- The guys really need to work on their stage presence. They're turning into a parody of themselves, four guys locked in the "zone" playing their stuff. No interaction with the crowd whatsoever, they could just as well be playing in a basement all by themselves.
Not sure if I'll pick this up, but then again Christmas is approaching and I need something for my wish list. :)
Yes, when I saw James, I did a double take as he looks so different with his face so swollen. Does anyone know if he has any health issues because steroids can cause something like that. I hope he's OK.
My first thought was that he had gotten sick or that he was on the cusp of getting sick and so he took some shots to mitigate that. Singers do that sometimes when they get a cold and such. Whatever it was, he looks the same as he always did in the recent video.
I believe this is due to Botox or face fillers (not sure though); it is well known that the face swells after a an injectable filler treatment.
Prednisone which is a steroid for pain or lethargy can make your face swell up. That happened severely to Alan White of Yes.
I'm not saying this is what was going on with James though.
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By the way, I found like an alternative cover or some artwork that appears in the booklet (?) in the InsideOut shop:
(https://www.insideoutshop.de/images/products/large/0IO02118_637370820261554182.jpg)
Found it here https://www.insideoutshop.de/Item/Dream_Theater_-_Distant_Memories_-_Live_in_London_-Ltd-_Deluxe_3CD-2Blu-ray-2DVD_Artbook-/16709
I think this cover is much better than the actual cover. It's still a generic Hugh Syme image, but better than that weird collage they will use as the front cover. I wonder when they finally get a new cover designer who is not that lazy as Syme.
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Lovely!
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I love that!!! Yes, it is a typical Hugh Syme, but it's cute and funny.
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Yeah, that's much better than the actual one.
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By the way, I found like an alternative cover or some artwork that appears in the booklet (?) in the InsideOut shop:
(https://www.insideoutshop.de/images/products/large/0IO02118_637370820261554182.jpg)
Found it here https://www.insideoutshop.de/Item/Dream_Theater_-_Distant_Memories_-_Live_in_London_-Ltd-_Deluxe_3CD-2Blu-ray-2DVD_Artbook-/16709
I think this cover is much better than the actual cover. It's still a generic Hugh Syme image, but better than that weird collage they will use as the front cover. I wonder when they finally get a new cover designer who is not that lazy as Syme.
I like this cover more but not sure a phone box in the middle of the countryside screams London.
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If there's a phone box in a forest and nobody is around...Does it scream London?🤔
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This one is a great cover!
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I've watched the PBD video a couple times. As usual, great performance...BUT, where's the energy? At times they look so uber focused on getting their parts right that they almost forget, at the core, it's a rock show. That was the area MP shone the brightest. Showmanship and coolness factor.
Oh well, guess it happens to all of us as we age.
Mangini is as energetic as one can be. The only difference is that he's not as often in the edit as Portnoy usually was during his time.
The rest of the guys seem to me as they've been for the past 15 years or so.
I'd say closer to 25 than 15.
Rudess is tied to down in the same way as Mangini, except when he uses his keytar, which he does with roughly the same frequency as he has since he started it.
Myung has been a statue at least since the SFAM tour. I have to admit though, I&W era Myung on the larger stages would be a lot of fun.
Petrucci never did a ton of moving/running around and hasn't really changed anything in as long as I can remember. Maybe it was falling off the stage that glued his feet down.
Even the guy with the most freedom to run around -- Labrie -- has never been Dickinsonian.
And I'm one who never really cared about any of the stuff MP did, so that's no change for me.
Which is weird, because I think that’s why they added the steps/catwalk to the stage design and JP went wireless - so that they can have somewhere to go and walk around a bit
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By the way, I found like an alternative cover or some artwork that appears in the booklet (?) in the InsideOut shop:
(https://www.insideoutshop.de/images/products/large/0IO02118_637370820261554182.jpg)
Found it here https://www.insideoutshop.de/Item/Dream_Theater_-_Distant_Memories_-_Live_in_London_-Ltd-_Deluxe_3CD-2Blu-ray-2DVD_Artbook-/16709
I think this cover is much better than the actual cover. It's still a generic Hugh Syme image, but better than that weird collage they will use as the front cover. I wonder when they finally get a new cover designer who is not that lazy as Syme.
That reminds me of Live in Luna parks cover with the Clown riding into the Engines...
It's good, but I prefer the other artwork.
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Yeah, the actual cover is fantastic. But this is a cool piece of additional artwork as well. I believe it is likely some booklet art.
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Yeah, the actual cover is fantastic. But this is a cool piece of additional artwork as well. I believe it is likely some booklet art.
It plays into the album art concept. :lol
After the NOMACS took over Earth and Transhumanistic droids were created, longing for the human connection, they live with the animals in Nature. :biggrin: :corn :yarr :millahhhh
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It's the art for Frost's Milliontown remixed version 2020 :biggrin:
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By the way, I found like an alternative cover or some artwork that appears in the booklet (?) in the InsideOut shop:
(https://www.insideoutshop.de/images/products/large/0IO02118_637370820261554182.jpg)
Found it here https://www.insideoutshop.de/Item/Dream_Theater_-_Distant_Memories_-_Live_in_London_-Ltd-_Deluxe_3CD-2Blu-ray-2DVD_Artbook-/16709
I think this cover is much better than the actual cover. It's still a generic Hugh Syme image, but better than that weird collage they will use as the front cover. I wonder when they finally get a new cover designer who is not that lazy as Syme.
I like this cover more but not sure a phone box in the middle of the countryside screams London.
Yeah. They should have called it Live in England.
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I liked but did not love Distance Over Time, and I already have LSFNY. So for me the decisive factor on getting this or not is about A Nightmare to Remember and In the Presence of Enemies Part I, both songs I love and would be thrilled to have good live versions of. Can anyone who saw this tour speak to how well those two songs came off? How did they handle the "day after day" section in Nightmare?
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I liked but did not love Distance Over Time, and I already have LSFNY. So for me the decisive factor on getting this or not is about A Nightmare to Remember and In the Presence of Enemies Part I, both songs I love and would be thrilled to have good live versions of. Can anyone who saw this tour speak to how well those two songs came off? How did they handle the "day after day" section in Nightmare?
I never cared about Portnoy doing the growling like it seems a lot of people did. That said, I dug how James did it which kinda shifted between spoken and raspy to slightly singing. Pretty cool.
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I liked but did not love Distance Over Time, and I already have LSFNY. So for me the decisive factor on getting this or not is about A Nightmare to Remember and In the Presence of Enemies Part I, both songs I love and would be thrilled to have good live versions of. Can anyone who saw this tour speak to how well those two songs came off? How did they handle the "day after day" section in Nightmare?
I saw them twice in the U.S., and both songs sounded GREAT at both of the shows I saw. To me, James doing the "day after day" section in Nightmare isn't as good as Mike's more gruff vocals, but it was fine. And the tradeoff is Mangini crushing the blast beat section, which I feel Portnoy, as good a drummer is he is, wasn't able to get quite right.
Zero complaints about ITPOE. Flawless.
Also, there is a certain atmosphere to the first set, and both songs fit in really well with that atmosphere.
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I liked but did not love Distance Over Time, and I already have LSFNY. So for me the decisive factor on getting this or not is about A Nightmare to Remember and In the Presence of Enemies Part I, both songs I love and would be thrilled to have good live versions of. Can anyone who saw this tour speak to how well those two songs came off? How did they handle the "day after day" section in Nightmare?
I saw them twice in the U.S., and both songs sounded GREAT at both of the shows I saw. To me, James doing the "day after day" section in Nightmare isn't as good as Mike's more gruff vocals, but it was fine. And the tradeoff is Mangini crushing the blast beat section, which I feel Portnoy, as good a drummer is he is, wasn't able to get quite right.
Zero complaints about ITPOE. Flawless.
Also, there is a certain atmosphere to the first set, and both songs fit in really well with that atmosphere.
Those songs fit the vibe the D/T songs give out, and the production of the show, how loud it was...
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I liked but did not love Distance Over Time, and I already have LSFNY. So for me the decisive factor on getting this or not is about A Nightmare to Remember and In the Presence of Enemies Part I, both songs I love and would be thrilled to have good live versions of. Can anyone who saw this tour speak to how well those two songs came off? How did they handle the "day after day" section in Nightmare?
I saw them twice in the U.S., and both songs sounded GREAT at both of the shows I saw. To me, James doing the "day after day" section in Nightmare isn't as good as Mike's more gruff vocals, but it was fine. And the tradeoff is Mangini crushing the blast beat section, which I feel Portnoy, as good a drummer is he is, wasn't able to get quite right.
Zero complaints about ITPOE. Flawless.
Also, there is a certain atmosphere to the first set, and both songs fit in really well with that atmosphere.
I'm never one (and never will be) for death growls (or whichever term is appropriate), so I liked James' approach a lot. (Blastbeats included of course, that section finally sounded great. Never thought that will happen. Not because Mike couldn't do it. He can. But because I never thought that ANTR would ever be played live again after 2010.) What kind of atmosphere did you think it was?
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DT just posted on Facebook that the phone booth cover will be used for the deluxe edition. I wish they used that one for all formats.
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Has anyone seen anything about the video being available digitally? Like, Live at Luna Park? That’s the only way I watch movies/concerts/tv. I got rid of my blu-ray player a long time ago.
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DT just posted on Facebook that the phone booth cover will be used for the deluxe edition. I wish they used that one for all formats.
yes. (and I like both covers. IMHO the deluxe cover has a bit more of a Rushian aspect to it. Reminiscent of Signals in some way)
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DT just posted on Facebook that the phone booth cover will be used for the deluxe edition. I wish they used that one for all formats.
yes. (and I like both covers. IMHO the deluxe cover has a bit more of a Rushian aspect to it. Reminiscent of Signals in some way)
Agreed, it's the puppy and the inclusion of a red object in green surroundings. I like Signals better though. The new Syme covers all look like random collection of objects to me.
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DT just posted on Facebook that the phone booth cover will be used for the deluxe edition. I wish they used that one for all formats.
I'm hoping it's the same artbook edition or whatever it was that first appeared as limited to 200 only.
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Anyone know if there’s a Majesty symbol anywhere on the phone booth artwork ?
I’m not seeing one , but I’m looking on my phone ...
Thanks!
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Anyone know if there’s a Majesty symbol anywhere on the phone booth artwork ?
I’m not seeing one , but I’m looking on my phone ...
Thanks!
Good point! I can't find it either (if there's one).
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I don't see the symbol but is that a crown just above the word Telephone? ???
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Wow. Saw them at one of the spring NA shows, and PBD was the first set highlight. So much so I think it should stay on the set list.
But here? JLB sounds awful. What the hell happened? It’s hard to listen to.
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Anyone know if there’s a Majesty symbol anywhere on the phone booth artwork ?
I’m not seeing one , but I’m looking on my phone ...
Thanks!
They’ve skipped out on it before on Once in a Livetime. I’ve never found it at least. Maybe it doesn’t apply to live releases?
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Wow. Saw them at one of the spring NA shows, and PBD was the first set highlight. So much so I think it should stay on the set list.
But here? JLB sounds awful. What the hell happened? It’s hard to listen to.
What are you talking about? Maybe his voice is not as high in the mix, but he doesn’t sound horrible, ok? Maybe you should upgrade the device you’re listening with. Starting with your ears! :justjen
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Would love some new ears. It’s not the quality though, he doesn’t sound OK here not annunciating at all. To be clear he was on point at the show I attended. I remember some lalala’s in the denser parts of songs like Strange Deja Vu, but that’s it. I’m suggesting he’s unusually off here, it’s still awful.
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Anyone know if there’s a Majesty symbol anywhere on the phone booth artwork ?
I’m not seeing one , but I’m looking on my phone ...
Thanks!
They’ve skipped out on it before on Once in a Livetime. I’ve never found it at least. Maybe it doesn’t apply to live releases?
they did, but that was only because Storm Thorgerson (who did OIAL and FII) never used pre-existing wordmarks or logos. (although the Majesty symbol can be seen on FII). All the other cover art features it.
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Would love some new ears. It’s not the quality though, he doesn’t sound OK here not annunciating at all. To be clear he was on point at the show I attended. I remember some lalala’s in the denser parts of songs like Strange Deja Vu, but that’s it. I’m suggesting he’s unusually off here, it’s still awful.
I’ve defended James for years, but really can’t anymore :-\. He sounds bad most of the time.
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they did, but that was only because Storm Thorgerson (who did OIAL and FII) never used pre-existing wordmarks or logos.
I always thought this was asinine. Does he not understand branding? Why would any established artist use someone who had this mentality?
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Because he’s done some of the most iconic album covers for some of the most iconic bands of all time.
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I get it, but would he go to Maiden and say "Hey I got this great idea for an album cover, but I won't use that Eddie guy at all, because pre-existing logos and such..."
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I get it, but would he go to Maiden and say "Hey I got this great idea for an album cover, but I won't use that Eddie guy at all, because pre-existing logos and such..."
I think bands go to him, more than him going to bands.
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I know, I know.... bad example. Still, I&W and Awake were my two favorite albums in the early-mid 90s. When I saw FII in the music store the first time (pre-internet, and I didn't subscribe to any magazines, etc...) I thought "What the heck is this, is this a new DT album?" because I didn't see the band font I was so used to seeing on the I&W and Awake.
We can move on... this is apparently solely my issue. :police:
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I know, I know.... bad example. Still, I&W and Awake were my two favorite albums in the early-mid 90s. When I saw FII in the music store the first time (pre-internet, and I didn't subscribe to any magazines, etc...) I thought "What the heck is this, is this a new DT album?" because I didn't see the band font I was so used to seeing on the I&W and Awake.
We can move on... this is apparently solely my issue. :police:
I agree with you. It is an odd choice not to use a bands logo when working with bands. But, it's his personal choice and bands don't have to work with him.
Some bands are lucky and fortunate to have an artist in the band, or know one personally, to make the album art.
I don't mind Collage work at all either. As long as it's not blatantly bad like Dance of Death, then it's ok. BC&SL almost hit that line, but it's passable.
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I know, I know.... bad example. Still, I&W and Awake were my two favorite albums in the early-mid 90s. When I saw FII in the music store the first time (pre-internet, and I didn't subscribe to any magazines, etc...) I thought "What the heck is this, is this a new DT album?" because I didn't see the band font I was so used to seeing on the I&W and Awake.
We can move on... this is apparently solely my issue. :police:
I agree with you for the most part, but I actually think the FII DT font fits the album since it was a big style change for the band too, SFAM brought "their" sound back, and brought their font too :metal
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I know, I know.... bad example. Still, I&W and Awake were my two favorite albums in the early-mid 90s. When I saw FII in the music store the first time (pre-internet, and I didn't subscribe to any magazines, etc...) I thought "What the heck is this, is this a new DT album?" because I didn't see the band font I was so used to seeing on the I&W and Awake.
We can move on... this is apparently solely my issue. :police:
The WTF feeling given by the cover was a warning of what was on the disc...
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But didn't Storm Thorgerson make Yes' Going For The One album cover? It has Roger Dean's Yes logo on it. Maybe this was before he made that decision?
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I know, I know.... bad example. Still, I&W and Awake were my two favorite albums in the early-mid 90s. When I saw FII in the music store the first time (pre-internet, and I didn't subscribe to any magazines, etc...) I thought "What the heck is this, is this a new DT album?" because I didn't see the band font I was so used to seeing on the I&W and Awake.
We can move on... this is apparently solely my issue. :police:
No, I agree with you, I like to see the DT font on an album cover. Just saying that, if you want the kudos of having him do your cover, you have to agree to his terms.
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But didn't Storm Thorgerson make Yes' Going For The One album cover? It has Roger Dean's Yes logo on it. Maybe this was before he made that decision?
Or maybe he felt it looked right and complemented his artwork well?
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But didn't Storm Thorgerson make Yes' Going For The One album cover? It has Roger Dean's Yes logo on it. Maybe this was before he made that decision?
Or maybe he felt it looked right and complemented his artwork well?
What if the guy on the cover of GFTO is the same guy who's on the cover of Hemispheres?
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But didn't Storm Thorgerson make Yes' Going For The One album cover? It has Roger Dean's Yes logo on it. Maybe this was before he made that decision?
Or maybe he felt it looked right and complemented his artwork well?
What if the guy on the cover of GFTO is the same guy who's on the cover of Hemispheres?
is he?:D
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But didn't Storm Thorgerson make Yes' Going For The One album cover? It has Roger Dean's Yes logo on it. Maybe this was before he made that decision?
I don't think so - pretty sure Storm always had that mentality. I would imagine in the case of GFtO, the band insisted on Storm using their classic Yes logo. And to be honest, on that album, it looks completely out of place.
For DT, the impression I got from MP when discussing DT's album artwork was that the band pretty much lets the artist do what they want, trusting that they know what they're doing (the artists are the professionals in that field), and only vetoing something they (the band) don't like or want changed. Given that they were simply excited to have someone as legendary as Storm doing their artwork for their fourth album, they were probably willing to go along with whatever Storm suggested, hoping that it would help them move up to the next level of success and popularity.
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But didn't Storm Thorgerson make Yes' Going For The One album cover? It has Roger Dean's Yes logo on it. Maybe this was before he made that decision?
I think Going For The One was done by Hipgnosis. Hipgnosis was an art design group that worked on album covers and Storm was a member of the group. His rule about not using previous logos and fonts was probably something he adopted later when he was working on his own. I believe Hipgnosis did the Tormato cover as well, which also has the Yes logo.
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Would love some new ears. It’s not the quality though, he doesn’t sound OK here not annunciating at all. To be clear he was on point at the show I attended. I remember some lalala’s in the denser parts of songs like Strange Deja Vu, but that’s it. I’m suggesting he’s unusually off here, it’s still awful.
I don't hear anything "unusually off" either. I'm with PG: He sounds really good to me.
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But didn't Storm Thorgerson make Yes' Going For The One album cover? It has Roger Dean's Yes logo on it. Maybe this was before he made that decision?
Or maybe he felt it looked right and complemented his artwork well?
What if the guy on the cover of GFTO is the same guy who's on the cover of Hemispheres?
is he?:D
In the absence of evidence that he isn't, I choose to be a believer! :biggrin:
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Just received an email from Century Media , who I purchased my preorder with . They said the cover for the art book has officially been updated since my order was placed . So it’s now the phone booth artwork for the cover of the art book .
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Just received an email from Century Media , who I purchased my preorder with . They said the cover for the art book has officially been updated since my order was placed . So it’s now the phone booth artwork for the cover of the art book .
I got that too.
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Will the BluRay be available separately?
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Will the BluRay be available separately?
not as of now (that anyone would know of)
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Just received an email from Century Media , who I purchased my preorder with . They said the cover for the art book has officially been updated since my order was placed . So it’s now the phone booth artwork for the cover of the art book .
I got that too.
Same. I was actually wondering about it since the announcement regarding the new artwork came much later after the preorders went live. I don't mind at all.
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Will the BluRay be available separately?
not as of now (that anyone would know of)
I'm not a fan of this trend lately where bands don't package the CD and video separately anymore, even worse when they force you to buy the DVD and Blu-Ray...
having said that, I just preordered the Artbook for this along side the new Devin Townsend live album via Century Media shop, saved 10% too by signing up for texts (which I will turn off once they send me the first one).
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But didn't Storm Thorgerson make Yes' Going For The One album cover? It has Roger Dean's Yes logo on it. Maybe this was before he made that decision?
I don't think so - pretty sure Storm always had that mentality. I would imagine in the case of GFtO, the band insisted on Storm using their classic Yes logo. And to be honest, on that album, it looks completely out of place.
For DT, the impression I got from MP when discussing DT's album artwork was that the band pretty much lets the artist do what they want, trusting that they know what they're doing (the artists are the professionals in that field), and only vetoing something they (the band) don't like or want changed. Given that they were simply excited to have someone as legendary as Storm doing their artwork for their fourth album, they were probably willing to go along with whatever Storm suggested, hoping that it would help them move up to the next level of success and popularity.
Yes, I think at that point in time, DT (at least the majority of the band and they were kind of more democratic by then) was more open to suggestions in their music and career. Also, with less years of existance and smaller fan base, that logo still wasn't viewed as "so classic".
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Will the BluRay be available separately?
not as of now (that anyone would know of)
I'm not a fan of this trend lately where bands don't package the CD and video separately anymore, even worse when they force you to buy the DVD and Blu-Ray...
Even worse is where they force you to buy vinyl if you want all of the extra-special goodies (as Rush has been doing with its 40th anniversary releases, but which does not appear to be applicable to this DT product). In this case, all I'm potentially interested in is the video.
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I saw them on this tour in Hamburg, DE. Must say, James sounds much better on this recording than he did on the night I saw. Glad they're not doing an overdub of his vocals, I swear I remember them doing so on previous live releases but maybe I'm wrong
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Will the BluRay be available separately?
not as of now (that anyone would know of)
I'm not a fan of this trend lately where bands don't package the CD and video separately anymore, even worse when they force you to buy the DVD and Blu-Ray...
Well shit, I guess I'm not getting this release then! This was supposed to be a $19.99 transaction in my book.
I didn't notice this was a trend, at least none of the big "brand" bands I listen to have done it. Metallica, for example, with S&M2 and every other live release before that, had the option of a stand-alone BluRay.
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Will the BluRay be available separately?
not as of now (that anyone would know of)
I'm not a fan of this trend lately where bands don't package the CD and video separately anymore, even worse when they force you to buy the DVD and Blu-Ray...
Well shit, I guess I'm not getting this release then! This was supposed to be a $19.99 transaction in my book.
I didn't notice this was a trend, at least none of the big "brand" bands I listen to have done it. Metallica, for example, with S&M2 and every other live release before that, had the option of a stand-alone BluRay.
Because it costs money to produce separate packaging for Blu-Rays. That's like 6 different packages the band has to pay for. So it's less cost to package them in one super bundle instead.
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Just placed a pre-order for the 2BR-3CD package! I was a bit sad that shipping was so expensive (I'm spoiled by the free shipping that Goliaths like Amazon offer), but then I looked at the cover art again, and immediately my frown was turned upside down. For whatever reason, I love how this thing looks.
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Will the BluRay be available separately?
not as of now (that anyone would know of)
I'm not a fan of this trend lately where bands don't package the CD and video separately anymore, even worse when they force you to buy the DVD and Blu-Ray...
having said that, I just preordered the Artbook for this along side the new Devin Townsend live album via Century Media shop, saved 10% too by signing up for texts (which I will turn off once they send me the first one).
I don't care much about that. What bothers me is "the added value of a book" which is the most expensive thing to produce (along with the vinyl) in these packages. There are VERY few bands where I buy into the artbook-earbook concept. Also, you really can't shelve them with your other CDs.
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Will the BluRay be available separately?
not as of now (that anyone would know of)
I'm not a fan of this trend lately where bands don't package the CD and video separately anymore, even worse when they force you to buy the DVD and Blu-Ray...
Even worse is where they force you to buy vinyl if you want all of the extra-special goodies (as Rush has been doing with its 40th anniversary releases, but which does not appear to be applicable to this DT product). In this case, all I'm potentially interested in is the video.
With Rush I'm quite happy with the CD set. A lot of those goodies are replicas of what's already out there and while there are SOME that were created specifically for the 40th releases that I would be interested in I'm not spending even 20 percent of what they are asking just for photo book.
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Will the BluRay be available separately?
not as of now (that anyone would know of)
I'm not a fan of this trend lately where bands don't package the CD and video separately anymore, even worse when they force you to buy the DVD and Blu-Ray...
having said that, I just preordered the Artbook for this along side the new Devin Townsend live album via Century Media shop, saved 10% too by signing up for texts (which I will turn off once they send me the first one).
Discs are cheap to press in large quantities and bundling them in one package is probably cheaper than making separate packaging at this point. Unfortunately the market is just not big enough anymore to really split mediums.
I like the way Kamelot did it recently. The whole package with CD's, DVD and Blu Ray was 25 euros here. A seperate new blu ray, CD or dvd release costs around 20 euros here usually. So it was not a big difference. The earbook with the same content was 40 euros I believe.
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I still don't get the utility of having a DVD and a BluRay in the same package.
It's like buying digital music, and have the bundle for a FLAC audio, a 320 bit MP3 and a 128 bit mp3. Which is even a bad example because an mp3 takes less space than a FLAC file, and you might, dunno, keep the FLAC for your computer or stereo while you put the mp3 on the mobile device, while if you have a Blu-Ray player you don't need to watch the same thing with lesser quality, and if you have just a DVD player a Blu-Ray is as good as a coaster.
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I still don't get the utility of having a DVD and a BluRay in the same package.
More profit for them.
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I still don't get the utility of having a DVD and a BluRay in the same package.
More profit for them.
Yup. We can say that packaging is easier and all that, but at the end of the day, the one package bundle with everything means you are forced to spend more money for what you want and the band gets more revenue.
Blind Guardian's new re-release comes with a live blu-ray, but only if you buy the full package. Well, there goes my money when I would have rather just bought the blu-ray alone (not an option).
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I still don't get the utility of having a DVD and a BluRay in the same package.
I like the combo because I have a Blu-ray player at home, but sometimes I take my discs with me when I travel and am more likely to have access to a dvd player elsewhere. That's becoming less useful in recent years, though.
Also, I used to only have Blu-ray in the living room, and a dvd player with our second tv.
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I still don't get the utility of having a DVD and a BluRay in the same package.
I like the combo because I have a Blu-ray player at home, but sometimes I take my discs with me when I travel and am more likely to have access to a dvd player elsewhere. That's becoming less useful in recent years, though.
Also, I used to only have Blu-ray in the living room, and a dvd player with our second tv.
Ok, this situation makes sense.
But I suspect the other ones are right in saying that the REAL reason is money ;D
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I still don't get the utility of having a DVD and a BluRay in the same package.
I like the combo because I have a Blu-ray player at home, but sometimes I take my discs with me when I travel and am more likely to have access to a dvd player elsewhere. That's becoming less useful in recent years, though.
Also, I used to only have Blu-ray in the living room, and a dvd player with our second tv.
Ok, this situation makes sense.
But I suspect the other ones are right in saying that the REAL reason is money ;D
Of course there is a financial basis. I also think when Blu-Ray first came out that they bundled the BR with DVD to "help" people transition. I think I actually bought a few BR/DVD combos before I owned a BR player, just based on the expectation that one day in the future I would get one, and, in the meantime, I could watch the DVD. It may just be inertia keeping the combo packs going at this point.
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I would imagine that they do one bundle with both DVD and Blu-ray mostly so that they can sell it to both DVD owners and Blu-ray owners, and don't have to make two separate packages for those individual groups.
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Of course there is a financial basis. I also think when Blu-Ray first came out that they bundled the BR with DVD to "help" people transition. I think I actually bought a few BR/DVD combos before I owned a BR player, just based on the expectation that one day in the future I would get one, and, in the meantime, I could watch the DVD. It may just be inertia keeping the combo packs going at this point.
This is exactly what got me into Blurays some 8 years ago. There were a ton of extras on the Bluray combo I bought, I think it was The Dark Knight Returns, and went ahead and bout a bluray player and the rest is history. Now I'm transitioning to 4k blurays lol.
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I would imagine that they do one bundle with both DVD and Blu-ray mostly so that they can sell it to both DVD owners and Blu-ray owners, and don't have to make two separate packages for those individual groups.
I fully expect only having to produce a single SKU that serves all customers is the main reason. As I said, discs, CD's and DVD's in particular, are really cheap to press so on the overall package it shouldn't necessarily increase the price that much. Tying it to expensive editions like earbooks is a different matter.
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Would love some new ears. It’s not the quality though, he doesn’t sound OK here not annunciating at all. To be clear he was on point at the show I attended. I remember some lalala’s in the denser parts of songs like Strange Deja Vu, but that’s it. I’m suggesting he’s unusually off here, it’s still awful.
I don't hear anything "unusually off" either. I'm with PG: He sounds really good to me.
Wth I was reacting to audio but just watched the video. He doesn’t seem OK and looks/sounds no where near as good as on first leg of NA tour. Glad he sounds good to you and others, but that’s not an OK person. Bloated and slurring? Hopefully the forced rest this year has done him well. (And on background I don’t think he should be replaced or anything, and am fine with whatever studio tricks as he ages, JLB is as much of DT as anyone in the band. But damn get that checked out soon)
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JLB has, for me, the biggest difference between his studio performances and his live performances. For many years now, to me it's sounded like he's struggled live, but in the studio something magical happens. He becomes one of the best singers I've heard and it sounds effortless.
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I've posted this before but DT has an incredibly aggressive tour schedule, especially when they go overseas. I think that works to JLBs disadvantage and his voice doesn't have enough time to recover from the previous performance. I know Rush used to space out their gigs to give Geddy a day off or two before the next gig. DT is going to have to go this route the older they get.
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I've posted this before but DT has an incredibly aggressive tour schedule, especially when they go overseas. I think that works to JLBs disadvantage and his voice doesn't have enough time to recover from the previous performance. I know Rush used to space out their gigs to give Geddy a day off or two before the next gig. DT is going to have to go this route the older they get.
Yea, evening with format and not many breaks on the road makes it really difficult for him especially when the tour is almost over
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JLB has, for me, the biggest difference between his studio performances and his live performances. For many years now, to me it's sounded like he's struggled live, but in the studio something magical happens. He becomes one of the best singers I've heard and it sounds effortless.
It has to be said that in the studio you have many takes as you want, and you can sing a couple of lines and then rest, rather than staying on stage for 2 hours (or on stage for 1 hour and the other hour backstage while the other guys do their thing ;D), and also technology can help. This is not to take away from James - there are countless videos and comments from people working with him that can testify that he's the real deal. But "in the studio it sounds effortless" it's something that in this day and age can be said about anyone.
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Would love some new ears. It’s not the quality though, he doesn’t sound OK here not annunciating at all. To be clear he was on point at the show I attended. I remember some lalala’s in the denser parts of songs like Strange Deja Vu, but that’s it. I’m suggesting he’s unusually off here, it’s still awful.
I don't hear anything "unusually off" either. I'm with PG: He sounds really good to me.
Wth I was reacting to audio but just watched the video. He doesn’t seem OK and looks/sounds no where near as good as on first leg of NA tour. Glad he sounds good to you and others, but that’s not an OK person. Bloated and slurring? Hopefully the forced rest this year has done him well. (And on background I don’t think he should be replaced or anything, and am fine with whatever studio tricks as he ages, JLB is as much of DT as anyone in the band. But damn get that checked out soon)
Honestly don't get what you mean? Sounds good to me. Any examples from the video?
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I've posted this before but DT has an incredibly aggressive tour schedule, especially when they go overseas. I think that works to JLBs disadvantage and his voice doesn't have enough time to recover from the previous performance. I know Rush used to space out their gigs to give Geddy a day off or two before the next gig. DT is going to have to go this route the older they get.
Yea, evening with format and not many breaks on the road makes it really difficult for him especially when the tour is almost over
DT has always asked a lot of James on tour.
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JLB has, for me, the biggest difference between his studio performances and his live performances. For many years now, to me it's sounded like he's struggled live, but in the studio something magical happens. He becomes one of the best singers I've heard and it sounds effortless.
Well to be honest, starting from bits of The Astonishing, and more on Distance Over Time, i felt for the first time that James was struggling in the studio as well. Too many effects and post-processing to hide imperfections on high notes.
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Would love some new ears. It’s not the quality though, he doesn’t sound OK here not annunciating at all. To be clear he was on point at the show I attended. I remember some lalala’s in the denser parts of songs like Strange Deja Vu, but that’s it. I’m suggesting he’s unusually off here, it’s still awful.
I don't hear anything "unusually off" either. I'm with PG: He sounds really good to me.
Wth I was reacting to audio but just watched the video. He doesn’t seem OK and looks/sounds no where near as good as on first leg of NA tour. Glad he sounds good to you and others, but that’s not an OK person. Bloated and slurring? Hopefully the forced rest this year has done him well. (And on background I don’t think he should be replaced or anything, and am fine with whatever studio tricks as he ages, JLB is as much of DT as anyone in the band. But damn get that checked out soon)
Honestly don't get what you mean? Sounds good to me. Any examples from the video?
Same.
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JLB has, for me, the biggest difference between his studio performances and his live performances. For many years now, to me it's sounded like he's struggled live, but in the studio something magical happens. He becomes one of the best singers I've heard and it sounds effortless.
Well to be honest, starting from bits of The Astonishing, and more on Distance Over Time, i felt for the first time that James was struggling in the studio as well. Too many effects and post-processing to hide imperfections on high notes.
Agree with DOT, especially the effects on his voice - but disagree with The Astonishing. I thought that was once of James's best performances.
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All I need is the Blu-Ray. Can't use CD's and why would anyone with a BR want a copy on DVD? Those 2 mediums might as well be obsolete and yet they're forcing you to buy them all in one package. Sorry, they're not getting my business unless I can eventually buy just the BR.
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Someone said earlier they have a BD player in one room and a DVD player in the other. That's legit, same thing at my house, but I would never spend the money to own a copy of the same thing on both medium. For movies for our kids, we default to DVD, because they can watch in the main room, our bedroom, or on our portable DVD players they take on long trips.
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For me I don't even have a DVD or Blu-ray player. It's all about streaming content today. I don't like physical mediums (except vinyl) personally and prefer having it digitally. Usually I just buy it to support the artist and then have to rip it myself, which will be hard without any player now. It would be awesome if there was a digital alternative.
But imagine the e-waste of just buying something to support the artist and then get DVD and Blu-ray :(
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Looks like here in Oz the simple CD/DVD pack will be $70! The big one $160! That's absurd.
Seems here you will be able to get separate Blu Ray and DVD packages with the cd's though.
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I had the pleasure of getting a promo copy of the album.
It's good guys. Some major touch-ups on James' voice, but that's expected.
Also the video for The Spirit Carries On has some of the most epic shots on a DT live video.
The audio mix is also very good i think.
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TSCO from Score is as perfect as that song can be in my book. James sounds fantastic, the shots are gorgeous, the mood is right, band sounds great and the added intro fits nicely. Can this version compete with that?
Personally I am not sure I need yet another SFAM live but always nice with DT. Really looking forward to At Wit's End and hoping for maybe an extended guitar outro. It ends to quickly on the album! ;D
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TSCO from Score is as perfect as that song can be in my book. James sounds fantastic, the shots are gorgeous, the mood is right, band sounds great and the added intro fits nicely. Can this version compete with that?
Personally I am not sure I need yet another SFAM live but always nice with DT. Really looking forward to At Wit's End and hoping for maybe an extended guitar outro. It ends to quickly on the album! ;D
I don't think that anything can compete with Score to be honest.
And we're talking about a band 15 years later in their career. But overall i think it's a very good release. Also, first official live performance of ANTR which Mangini elevates to another level.
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TSCO from Score is as perfect as that song can be in my book. James sounds fantastic, the shots are gorgeous, the mood is right, band sounds great and the added intro fits nicely. Can this version compete with that?
Personally I am not sure I need yet another SFAM live but always nice with DT. Really looking forward to At Wit's End and hoping for maybe an extended guitar outro. It ends to quickly on the album! ;D
I don't think that anything can compete with Score to be honest.
And we're talking about a band 15 years later in their career. But overall i think it's a very good release. Also, first official live performance of ANTR which Mangini elevates to another level.
👍 I agree.
BTW how is the blast beat part on ANTR with Mangini? Also one disappointment for me on the otherwise great 4th Wall was the drum part at the end of Finally Free. Portnoy just goes crazy and it felt like Mangini went for a more technical but not as satisfying approach that time. How is it on the new live release?
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TSCO from Score is as perfect as that song can be in my book. James sounds fantastic, the shots are gorgeous, the mood is right, band sounds great and the added intro fits nicely. Can this version compete with that?
Personally I am not sure I need yet another SFAM live but always nice with DT. Really looking forward to At Wit's End and hoping for maybe an extended guitar outro. It ends to quickly on the album! ;D
I don't think that anything can compete with Score to be honest.
And we're talking about a band 15 years later in their career. But overall i think it's a very good release. Also, first official live performance of ANTR which Mangini elevates to another level.
👍 I agree.
BTW how is the blast beat part on ANTR with Mangini? Also one disappointment for me on the otherwise great 4th Wall was the drum part at the end of Finally Free. Portnoy just goes crazy and it felt like Mangini went for a more technical but not as satisfying approach that time. How is it on the new live release?
The blast is awesome.
For Finally Free, really depends on what you're expecting. It's better than BTFW for sure, with some crazy poly-rhythmic stuff.
What i really enjoyed is how present JM and JR are in the mix overall (and of course MM even though i'm not a great fan of his snare sound).
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Someone said earlier they have a BD player in one room and a DVD player in the other. That's legit, same thing at my house, but I would never spend the money to own a copy of the same thing on both medium.
I don't look at it as spending money to own both. I look at it as buying a Blu-Ray and getting a free DVD.
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It's similar to how so many 4k bluray releases also contains the regular bluray as well. You get two formats that help you ease into the other. But if you're only using one, then sell the other one. That's what I do at least sometimes.
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Someone said earlier they have a BD player in one room and a DVD player in the other. That's legit, same thing at my house, but I would never spend the money to own a copy of the same thing on both medium.
I don't look at it as spending money to own both. I look at it as buying a Blu-Ray and getting a free DVD.
No, you're paying for the DVD also because if it was only just a Blu-Ray, the price would be less. It isn't a "buy one and get one free kind of deal. Not only that but DVD's are SD, not HD. Why would anyone want to watch a DVD on an HD TV when they have a BR player? It makes absolutely no sense to sell DVD's with Blu-Rays.
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Someone said earlier they have a BD player in one room and a DVD player in the other. That's legit, same thing at my house, but I would never spend the money to own a copy of the same thing on both medium.
I don't look at it as spending money to own both. I look at it as buying a Blu-Ray and getting a free DVD.
No, you're paying for the DVD also because if it was only just a Blu-Ray, the price would be less. It isn't a "buy one and get one free kind of deal. Not only that but DVD's are SD, not HD. Why would anyone want to watch a DVD on an HD TV when they have a BR player? It makes absolutely no sense to sell DVD's with Blu-Rays.
In this case, maybe, but if you go to buy a blu-ray movie at amazon, wal-mart, or wherever, the ones that are blu-ray only don't seem to be priced much differently than the ones with a dvd included.
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Live Q&A with JP and JR today
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There you go...
The Blu-ray situation is all the Labels decision, not the bands. JP had to be careful not to say the wrong thing, even though what he says may end up being wrong anyways... :lol
He mentioned the label may want to release a stand alone Blu-Ray later on
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It seems like Fatal Tragedy from the live show is going to be released on November 6 :metal
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It seems like Fatal Tragedy from the live show is going to be released on November 6 :metal
Great part of the song to play. I like the way JLB sounds on this part, even if it happens to be a touch up. But, he did do this good both times I saw him live. He did really well with the scenes set. Like he saved all his energy, strength for the Scenes material. Didn't help having to start with a demanding vocal song, Untethered Angel.
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Here's the link to the just completed Q&A:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li9kJdJ5L9c
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Here's the link to the just completed Q&A:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li9kJdJ5L9c
and your question was answered as well. (Which I found to be an interesting one, but I also guessed John and Jordan's answer to some degree.)
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Yeah, I was happy that Kim was kind enough to include that question. I still have an outside hope that with the current situation, they won't time themselves and say "well we have enough for an album, let's stop here" - not that I expect 3 CD's worth of material (altho that would be cool, because imagine what kind of ground they could cover going in all sorts of directions) - but at least more than just what ends up on the final CD. Time will tell.
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Yeah, I was happy that Kim was kind enough to include that question. I still have an outside hope that with the current situation, they won't time themselves and say "well we have enough for an album, let's stop here" - not that I expect 3 CD's worth of material (altho that would be cool, because imagine what kind of ground they could cover going in all sorts of directions) - but at least more than just what ends up on the final CD. Time will tell.
I'd welcome a triple :D (for these exact reasons and others) Fully blown bonkers prog :D
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Yeah, I was happy that Kim was kind enough to include that question. I still have an outside hope that with the current situation, they won't time themselves and say "well we have enough for an album, let's stop here" - not that I expect 3 CD's worth of material (altho that would be cool, because imagine what kind of ground they could cover going in all sorts of directions) - but at least more than just what ends up on the final CD. Time will tell.
The way they made it seem they work is...They come up with ideas, or have a direction they want to go with the new album. Then they write the music that can go with that Album Direction, and spend way to much time discussing how these 4 notes should go. :lol
Once they get those ideas, they compose the songs and work it out, in the studio, until it's time to record said song. They don't Demo anymore, and likely don't even record until the composing of the song is complete and they write what is necessary for the Album Direction.
I don't think they want to record anymore than what they already have.
They did that with Distance Over Time though. That is what Viper King is. A riff they liked during the Sessions. They liked it so much, they made a song and recorded it. Even though, it didn't fit the album.
I believe that is what you want. For them to compose an album that doesn't have a direction. And for them to compose and record as much as they can, from those studio sessions.
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Here's the link to the just completed Q&A:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li9kJdJ5L9c
@ Noxon, you couldn't of thought of a quick question for Mike? "Eh I don't know, there's probably people that want to ask you stuff." That seemed a bit rude. Maybe I misread it....
Great to know they're together and writing. This makes me happy.
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@ Noxon, you couldn't of thought of a quick question for Mike? "Eh I don't know, there's probably people that want to ask you stuff." That seemed a bit rude. Maybe I misread it....
Honestly, it didn't come off that way to me. But I can see why you might think that. But keep in mind what Kim was doing: while trying to pay some semblance of attention to what the guys were saying, he was also watching the constant stream of comments for potential questions to ask the guys from 2 or 3 different locations (I believe 2 on Facebook, 1 on YouTube). So if he seemed a bit distracted from coming up with something to ask MM, it seems fair to cut Kim a bit of slack considering all the juggling he was already doing.
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Yeah, as Scotty said, doing these interviews requires a huge amount of mental gymnastics to keep a conversation going and finding the next question from thousands of comments from the viewers. To Switch from that into a mode where i need ro react to something unexpected like Mike joining...
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;D
DT try every single permutation of a riff and they still manage an album every 2.5 years...
Tool notoriously try every permutation of a riff and it takes them 13 years
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Yeah, as Scotty said, doing these interviews requires a huge amount of mental gymnastics to keep a conversation going and finding the next question from thousands of comments from the viewers. To Switch from that into a mode where i need ro react to something unexpected like Mike joining...
As an elementary school teacher who had to become an online teacher during the pandemic, I gotcha ya ;D
But a Q&A interview with MM would be nice!! He seems to be living his best time with the band!!
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Yeah, as Scotty said, doing these interviews requires a huge amount of mental gymnastics to keep a conversation going and finding the next question from thousands of comments from the viewers. To Switch from that into a mode where i need ro react to something unexpected like Mike joining...
Noxon I didn’t mean to sound like a dick.
It’s just how it came across.
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When they were talking about Interacting with the Crowd and Fall Into The Lights middle section. I was one of those people singing along to the melody, in Denver. That is a great section live, the slow build-up of that melody into the distorted guitar melody and solo was a cool build-up.
Also, I can't be the only one who noticed that they seemed to be a little upset, or more disappointed about the seated audience. But they gave good reasons, as to the differences between a seated and a non seated venue, from the Musician perspective, and one I agree with and noticed.
Seated Venues, tend to be a more nicer, formal, venue, while Non-seated venues tend not to be as formal. Venues are a high priority in where a band films their dvds. Or else, you get Decades from Nightwish, a venue with not so good lighting, and in turn resulted in a darker video contrast, it didn't help Nightwish used a darker colored light show as well. This ended up being a trade off, for the energy and crowd of Buenos Aires. In Distant Memories, we are getting the trade off of a good video (from what we've seen so far), but a lackluster audience, meaning the audience was mainly seated. Let's also not forget, Geographical location plays a part, that's the difference of a Japanese Audience (Budokan) and the Brazilian Audience (Live At Luna Park). I think the production problems that happened with Live At Luna Park prevented us from really hearing the audience at all, we got an audience cheer loop instead.
I am hoping for more Crying Girl moments though. :biggrin:
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I don't.
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Seated Venues, tend to be a more nicer, formal, venue, while Non-seated venues tend not to be as formal. Venues are a high priority in where a band films their dvds. Or else, you get Decades from Nightwish, a venue with not so good lighting, and in turn resulted in a darker video contrast, it didn't help Nightwish used a darker colored light show as well.
Honestly, I beg to differ regarding the venue vs. audience. For the most part, I don't think that you're going to notice the venue all that much during a concert video, unless it's super iconic and/or unique like the place that Sons of Apollo did their live video (the name and place escapes me at the moment). While I don't imagine that the audience will feature that much into any concert video, I would imagine that they do appear and are more significant than the venue. Not only that, but the band feeds off the audience, not the venue they're playing in, which can affect their performance.
Regarding the lighting, I really don't think that has anything to do with the venue, but rather with the lighting rig the band is touring with at the time. The band brings their own lighting rig in, not whatever the venue may have. And even then with the way video technology is today, significant improvements can be made in the lighting of a concert video. I know BobS, who did the post-production on Score, told me that he used techniques to lighten up the audience so that they were more visible. And he's also commented that the video for Live in Tokyo could be brightened up so that it isn't so dark, if the band ever decides to revisit and re-release that video in HD.
Let's also not forget, Geographical location plays a part, that's the difference of a Japanese Audience (Budokan) and the Argentinean Audience (Live At Luna Park).
FTFY ;)
I don't.
You emotionless braniac! :biggrin:
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Of the teasers so far it seems extremely overdubbed sadly,
Zero response from the audience and is seems like the sound is mixed as the last album.
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Zero response from the audience
That is something the band has no control over.
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Zero response from the audience
That is something the band has no control over.
Of course they have some control over it by interacting with the crowd and encouraging people to stand up. I totally blame DT for their poor crowd reactions that have consistently gotten worse since MP left.
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Zero response from the audience
That is something the band has no control over.
Of course they have some control over it by interacting with the crowd and encouraging people to stand up. I totally blame DT for their poor crowd reactions that have consistently gotten worse since MP left.
Did you watch that Interview? (Can't remember the interviewers name) even said, we're getting old and standing for that long is getting harder. The audience can stand anytime, without having the band tell them to, they don't need a band telling them what to do. It's why I laughed my ass off how Devin Townsend got everyone to Bloop, he knows the audience will do what he says and he proved it.
See, I Would stand, but then the people behind me get upset, because I Am Standing. That is something the band doesn't have control over. So I sit, as to not make his experience bad. But, I would stand, and sing, and headbang, like a dumbass, because the band likes it. And will do it, until I can't no more, and become the old fart sitting throughout the whole show.
Would people stand up, if asked? Why does JLB or others have to get people to stand? It's what I wonder when bands have people clap. Some places they go to, take it upon themselves to clap, and even sing. The people of South America, got known for that by taking it upon themselves to sing YYZ.
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Zero response from the audience
That is something the band has no control over.
Of course they have some control over it by interacting with the crowd and encouraging people to stand up. I totally blame DT for their poor crowd reactions that have consistently gotten worse since MP left.
Did you watch that Interview? (Can't remember the interviewers name) even said, we're getting old and standing for that long is getting harder. The audience can stand anytime, without having the band tell them to, they don't need a band telling them what to do. It's why I laughed my ass off how Devin Townsend got everyone to Bloop, he knows the audience will do what he says and he proved it.
I can't tell you how many times I've been asked or told to sit during a DT show either from an usher or from someone in the crowd. If the band says to stand, that shuts the naysayers up. And I have no idea what interview you are referencing. I've got no issue with people in the back sitting, but the floor should be standing IMO. This is why I just get last row tickets for DT now.
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Zero response from the audience
That is something the band has no control over.
Of course they have some control over it by interacting with the crowd and encouraging people to stand up. I totally blame DT for their poor crowd reactions that have consistently gotten worse since MP left.
Did you watch that Interview? (Can't remember the interviewers name) even said, we're getting old and standing for that long is getting harder. The audience can stand anytime, without having the band tell them to, they don't need a band telling them what to do. It's why I laughed my ass off how Devin Townsend got everyone to Bloop, he knows the audience will do what he says and he proved it.
I can't tell you how many times I've been asked or told to sit during a DT show either from an usher or from someone in the crowd. If the band says to stand, that shuts the naysayers up. And I have no idea what interview you are referencing. I've got no issue with people in the back sitting, but the floor should be standing IMO. This is why I just get last row tickets for DT now.
see, my edit. haha tried to post it before you responded.
The recent Distant Memories interview.
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Zero response from the audience
That is something the band has no control over.
Of course they have some control over it by interacting with the crowd and encouraging people to stand up. I totally blame DT for their poor crowd reactions that have consistently gotten worse since MP left.
Yup. It's gone from attending a concert...to attending a performance.
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Zero response from the audience
That is something the band has no control over.
Of course they have some control over it by interacting with the crowd and encouraging people to stand up. I totally blame DT for their poor crowd reactions that have consistently gotten worse since MP left.
Yup. It's gone from attending a concert...to attending a performance.
Agreed, which is the band's decision. I don't think DT ever really had the liviliest crowds from my experience (first time seeing them was in 2007) but it definitely wasn't as dull as they are now. I feel a lot of it came down during the TA tour where the ushers went wild forcing everyone to sit. But I had the same experience on the last tour in NJ, sold out venue, and ushers running wild. It made no sense to me, that was perfect for an livicrowd if only the band wanted it.
The recent Distant Memories interview.
THe Q&A? I haven't watched that and it's pretty long so I may not. But if you knew a timestamp for the specific part I would tune in. I am curious of the bands thoughts so I'd listen to what they have to say regarding this, but if they are basing it on their older fan base, I think that's also a disservice to their own crowd. DT does very little to bring in new fans IMO and catering to the older fans is one reason for that. (not saying they shouldn't cater to the ones who give them the most money, but there is definitely wiggle room to cater to both)
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Zero response from the audience
That is something the band has no control over.
Of course they have some control over it by interacting with the crowd and encouraging people to stand up. I totally blame DT for their poor crowd reactions that have consistently gotten worse since MP left.
Yup. It's gone from attending a concert...to attending a performance.
I Agree with this...
In a way it's like a classical performance, one you'd expect from an Orchestra. I don't have a problem at all with it. But, If I want to Rock out, headbang, and sing, let me do it. Don't tell me to sit down. In the end, it still is a Rock Concert.
Zero response from the audience
That is something the band has no control over.
Of course they have some control over it by interacting with the crowd and encouraging people to stand up. I totally blame DT for their poor crowd reactions that have consistently gotten worse since MP left.
Yup. It's gone from attending a concert...to attending a performance.
Agreed, which is the band's decision. I don't think DT ever really had the liviliest crowds from my experience (first time seeing them was in 2007) but it definitely wasn't as dull as they are now. I feel a lot of it came down during the TA tour where the ushers went wild forcing everyone to sit. But I had the same experience on the last tour in NJ, sold out venue, and ushers running wild. It made no sense to me, that was perfect for an livicrowd if only the band wanted it.
The Usher issue is something I would ask the venue about, and one I am really interested in knowing if it's the Venue, being a nice seated Venue, is strict about it (and that would depend on how the Venues perspective sees the bands audience), or it's someone in the bands management.
THe Q&A? I haven't watched that and it's pretty long so I may not. But if you knew a timestamp for the specific part I would tune in. I am curious of the bands thoughts so I'd listen to what they have to say regarding this, but if they are basing it on their older fan base, I think that's also a disservice to their own crowd. DT does very little to bring in new fans IMO and catering to the older fans is one reason for that. (not saying they shouldn't cater to the ones who give them the most money, but there is definitely wiggle room to cater to both)
58:40 (https://youtu.be/li9kJdJ5L9c?t=3520)
Manginis appearance is right before this question, too if you want to rewind back and watch it... :lol
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Yup. It's gone from attending a concert...to attending a performance.
Very well said. It is a big reason why I haven't had any desire to see them since the TA tour (which I am very glad to have attended). There are a few bands I'd probably go see if they fell on the "performance" side of the pendulum, DT just isn't one of them these days.
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Yup. It's gone from attending a concert...to attending a performance.
Very well said. It is a big reason why I haven't had any desire to see them since the TA tour (which I am very glad to have attended). There are a few bands I'd probably go see if they fell on the "performance" side of the pendulum, DT just isn't one of them these days.
They have upped the Production and Staging of their shows too. Since Systematic Chaos with the Stoplight and Ants. I don't know what BC&SL had. Dramatic Tour had the big cube screens. Along For The Ride had the New York City back alley set. We know The Astonishing. D/T/SFAM has the Video Production with the story of Scenes, and the Walkway, first time JP also went completely wireless with a little help from Maddie.
I am reading more about the Music Business and Industry, and am finding myself understanding where bands come from with certain decisions. Every band is different, and has their own reasons for their choices and decisions. Things casual music fans do not know about, and I feel should know about that way they won't be acting the way they are about the bands decisions. And why I wish some bands would say straight up, but I also understand why they can't.
This is what you call the train of the band, and we the fans, are along for the ride... :biggrin:
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Thanks for the timestamp Ben, but I don't think their response does anything to change my thought that the dead crowds are due to the bands decisions. and also that MM appearance was a bit awkward lol
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It's cool, I respect what the band does, and has been doing, since they've been my favorite band since 1992. Consider also that while the band might make changes based on certain decisions along their path, so too do we as fans. How I want to experience a concert now is different than it was 10 years ago. I used to be an office drone, outside of work people would always ask me why I was standing when everyone else was sitting. I told them I sit all day (plus 2 hours commute), my arse needs a break. Now I do manual labor, and spend every waking moment outside work on sitting, reclining, or laying down.
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Thanks for the timestamp Ben, but I don't think their response does anything to change my thought that the dead crowds are due to the bands decisions. and also that MM appearance was a bit awkward lol
He just wanted to play "Dharts"... :lol
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I noticed that dart board and was wondering how bad the wall is behind the cardboard. My roommate set up similar in our college apartment and lets just say the cardboard did little to nothing :lol
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Seated venues is not helping DT but if u watch Pale Blue Dot some girl didnt noticed she was at a prog metal consert. only watch at her cellphone:) Interaction with the audience with Portnoy and after he left is totally gone.
It seems they overdubbs James voice like this :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MkfAS16zGk&t=145s
This is real
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otm70S2OAhQ
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That looked like it was the 2nd night. And I wonder if they'll use the 1st nights video, for his "Linked by...two lives" I honestly don't remember if he did this live, or he just forgot.
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I found Through Her Eyes in Denver, and discovered JP did a vocal melody from an Astonishing song in his guitar solo.
To Stand up or give in (https://youtu.be/ZboByhxLx7Q?t=280)
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Zero response from the audience
That is something the band has no control over.
Of course they have some control over it by interacting with the crowd and encouraging people to stand up. I totally blame DT for their poor crowd reactions that have consistently gotten worse since MP left.
The implication being that MP was somehow the focus of the live show?
I couldn't disagree more. Other than for his drumming, I never thought MP was the focus of any live show I attended, and I once (I think it was on one of the SC shows) specifically thought that he was acting like a younger sibling trying to get his parents' attention. I've noticed no difference in this regard since MP left.
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I saw them on the most recent tour in Cincinnati, at the Taft Theater (same place I saw Phantom of the Opera in the early 90s). Despite being a seated venue, the bulk of the lower level stood up for the show. Having seen DT 9 times since the FII tour, I don't really see that the band is doing much different in the way of a performance.
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Zero response from the audience
That is something the band has no control over.
Of course they have some control over it by interacting with the crowd and encouraging people to stand up. I totally blame DT for their poor crowd reactions that have consistently gotten worse since MP left.
The implication being that MP was somehow the focus of the live show?
I couldn't disagree more. Other than for his drumming, I never thought MP was the focus of any live show I attended, and I once (I think it was on one of the SC shows) specifically thought that he was acting like a younger sibling trying to get his parents' attention. I've noticed no difference in this regard since MP left.
That's a misinterpretation of what I was getting at. MP was definitely more of a spotlight guy than MM and he defintiely does things to work the crowd (like standing up, clapping, interacting with the audiance) but I would say no one in DT is really the focus, although if I had to choose one person, it would be JP. But it's not about who the focus is, it's about the arrangement of the live show which MP was very much involved in. Most importantly, IMO, is the click track that they did not use until after MP left. Not playing to a click brings the music more life IMO and leads to the crowd being more into it because that allows the band to play off the energy (and often play a bit faster). MP also insisted on rotating setlists so the awe of not knowing what song is next brings a level of connectiveness from the crowd to the band. But in general, MP was much more about the live show and entertaining the fans than the band currently is IMO. The band today seems fine just standing back and performing as close as possible to the album and not really engaging the audience like they used to. For example, the last Winery Dogs show I saw had a significant more energetic crowd than any recent DT show, but I'd say more of DT's music is more energetic than WD (not all).
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MP said in a recent interview he's more interested in watching showman drummers like a Keith Moon which explains his interaction with fans. MM's approach (to me at least) seems more like Neil Peart.
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Has anyone had an experience with the ushers while MP was in the band for example? I've seen DT more now with MM than with MP, but I don't recall any experience of being told to sit while MP was in the band. But I had issues with the ushers from the second MM US tour through the latest tour.
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Has anyone had an experience with the ushers while MP was in the band for example? I've seen DT more now with MM than with MP, but I don't recall any experience of being told to sit while MP was in the band. But I had issues with the ushers from the second MM US tour through the latest tour.
Again, could be the Venue seeing Dream Theater as a type of show that requires them to tell the Ushers to be more strict about obstructive viewing. Could also be, the band might know about it, but there's not much they can do, as they don't control that aspect of the bands live shows, the label could be in charge and what they say goes, and they can't say nothing, because they signed the deal.
I haven't had that problem when I went to our shows. And the camera thing could also be a label thing, or something the band decided to try. The Aristocrats at our show, had a no Video policy, you can take pictures, but if you had it up for a quite a while they'd get upset. Bryan Beller had to tell one guy to stop recording, and gave their reason why they chose to do the policy. They wanted the audience to enjoy the show, with their own eyes. I respected that decision, and laughed because our show was about 80-100 people, that's my guestimate, at a local venue that's a pretty intimate venue.
For D/T/SFAM, I was able to record and take pictures if I wanted to. I just chose not to this time. That was in Denver, and Mesa. I have actually been doing that when I would attend shows. Only taking a couple of pics, during good songs, or songs they don't really play or are good visually. If I could set up a little Tri-pod or stand, that isn't obstructing anyone's view and can still see the stage, I would definitely be doing that and recording video. I would just push record and check it in between songs, at least to make sure it's still going or hasn't died. :biggrin:
I wish I could share more of that Herman Li and Misha Mansoor conversation they had on Herman Li's Twitch channel. Here's just a snippet, they discussed a bit more, but I haven't seen the whole thing yet either, it's a long 3 hours. This is not 3 hours, it's 10 min...https://youtu.be/39m3eZ7ndhs
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Zero response from the audience
That is something the band has no control over.
Of course they have some control over it by interacting with the crowd and encouraging people to stand up. I totally blame DT for their poor crowd reactions that have consistently gotten worse since MP left.
Did you watch that Interview? (Can't remember the interviewers name) even said, we're getting old and standing for that long is getting harder. The audience can stand anytime,
I call massive bullshit on this. You the audiences at Maiden, Metallica, or the final Rush tours don't seem to have an issue standing for 2-3 hours.
And I also don't think it's an MM thing, I think it's an Astonishing thing. They totally went the 'performance' route for that tour, and got uber strict about it. Didn't help that they chose mostly theater halls / venues, as opposed to venues suited for concerts, and have largely continued to do so for the past 5 years.
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I think it was confirmed the ushers are DT's call, not the venue. I've seen plenty of concerts at the same venues that don't have ushers telling everyone to sit and put your phone away.
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Zero response from the audience
That is something the band has no control over.
Of course they have some control over it by interacting with the crowd and encouraging people to stand up. I totally blame DT for their poor crowd reactions that have consistently gotten worse since MP left.
Did you watch that Interview? (Can't remember the interviewers name) even said, we're getting old and standing for that long is getting harder. The audience can stand anytime,
I call massive bullshit on this. You the audiences at Maiden, Metallica, or the final Rush tours don't seem to have an issue standing for 2-3 hours.
And I also don't think it's an MM thing, I think it's an Astonishing thing. They totally went the 'performance' route for that tour, and got uber strict about it. Didn't help that they chose mostly theater halls / venues, as opposed to venues suited for concerts, and have largely continued to do so for the past 5 years.
Again, all things that the band doesn't have control over. They, the band themselves, don't get to choose what venues to book. These things are Management or Label related decisions, The Band hired these people to make these decisions, as they are a lot work to do. They can suggest places, but it's not guaranteed.
If the band got comfortable, playing those type of Venues, than I don't fault them for it, nor blame them. We're along for the ride, on the train, and we can jump off anytime we want.
I think it was confirmed the ushers are DT's call, not the venue. I've seen plenty of concerts at the same venues that don't have ushers telling everyone to sit and put your phone away.
I would like to see an interview where that question was asked, or something similar. And also, this would be a good one to ask the band about in a Q an A...In regards to live shows, Many people are discouraged from attending shows, as they feel the venue Ushers telling them to sit or put away phones, is a drag at shows, is it a management or venue decision to have the Ushers do this? Then they may backpedal because they don't want to talk ill of their management.
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They, the band themselves, don't get to choose what venues to book. These things are Management or Label related decisions, The Band hired these people to make these decisions, as they are a lot work to do. They can suggest places, but it's not guaranteed.
This is only partly correct. They don't choose the venues. But they have their booking people book them in certain types of venues that they like playing. They have a fair amount of say in that, and expressed that they want to play in those types of seated theaters.
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They, the band themselves, don't get to choose what venues to book. These things are Management or Label related decisions, The Band hired these people to make these decisions, as they are a lot work to do. They can suggest places, but it's not guaranteed.
This is only partly correct. They don't choose the venues. But they have their booking people book them in certain types of venues that they like playing. They have a fair amount of say in that, and expressed that they want to play in those types of seated theaters.
Not only that, but record labels have little to no involvement in their artists' touring activities. And, especially for an act like DT, any manager who books his/her artist in venues the artist doesn't like or doesn't book the artist in venues it likes is going to be kicked to the curb pretty damn quickly.
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They, the band themselves, don't get to choose what venues to book. These things are Management or Label related decisions, The Band hired these people to make these decisions, as they are a lot work to do. They can suggest places, but it's not guaranteed.
This is only partly correct. They don't choose the venues. But they have their booking people book them in certain types of venues that they like playing. They have a fair amount of say in that, and expressed that they want to play in those types of seated theaters.
That's what I meant by The Band can suggest places. Meaning the type of venues.
The only reason I say this is because I have seen Dark Tranquility, The Dear Hunter, The Aristocrats, Periphery, Protest The Hero, The Contortionist, Animals As Leaders, at a venue with 270 capacity. These were some of the best shows I have seen, and would prefer to see bands in this type of setting.
The reason for playing at this venue was a damned good promoter, and the band not having a big enough market to be able to sell enough to book the about-1,000 capacity venue, The Sunshine Theater. But, usually it's because another show is happening at The Sunshine, it's the one venue in New Mexico these bands play at, so the bands play there. That place is called The Launchpad, and is more like a Bar with a decent size venue in the back, the bar is in the entrance with the stage in the back.
It's why Dream Theaters Booking Agent doesn't see the reason to book here. The only way we got the I&W&B tour is due to the promoter wanting the tour to come here, as the band did state promoters were demanding that show. And I believe they only stopped here because they didn't have their usual Video Screens with them. As we don't have a venue small enough to hold video screens their size.
And why I really appreciate, and feel, fortunate and lucky to have witnessed both To Live Forever and Don't Look Past Me, before they dropped them from the set.
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I'm pretty sure I talked about the photo thing with Jordan on my live chat with him.
For the Astonishing they set the "no photo" rule very strictly because they wanted to ensure that the audience was engaged in the actual performance, not focused on filming. This is also the main reason why most theatres do the same.
But in general there is no such rule other than the default "no photo or recording of the show" they have to put in to dampen SOME of the potential copyright problems. And label doesn't really have much of any say over what the band does outside of album releases.
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The only time I saw them live was on the second leg of The Astonishing tour, when they took out a few songs from the album to play an encore consisting of As I Am, The Spirit Carries On and Pull Me Under. Everyone sat through the entire main set. I don't recall being told to sit by an usher or anything, and I can't speak to why other people did, but I stayed seated because I didn't want to be rude to the people behind me.
At the beginning of As I Am, James told everyone to stand up, in a tone that suggested frustration that we had been sitting the entire show. I think most people were all too happy to stand, and there was an awesome energy for the encore after that.
I think if they're going to play seated venues and they want people to stand, James should ask people to stand up early in the show ("On your feet, [city]!"). That way the norm is set up front by the band, instead of the ambiguity of a large crowd of people reaching a decision through some awkward form of groupthink.
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Fatal Tragedy tomorrow on youtube.
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Fatal Tragedy tomorrow on youtube.
I'm apprehensive. My benchmark for Fatal Tragedy is the version on the 2013 Christmas album.
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Fatal Tragedy tomorrow on youtube.
I'm apprehensive. My benchmark for Fatal Tragedy is the version on the 2013 Christmas album.
The what??
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Fatal Tragedy tomorrow on youtube.
I'm apprehensive. My benchmark for Fatal Tragedy is the version on the 2013 Christmas album.
The what??
https://www.discogs.com/Dream-Theater-Happy-Holidays-From-Dream-Theater/release/5228363
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I think it was confirmed the ushers are DT's call, not the venue. I've seen plenty of concerts at the same venues that don't have ushers telling everyone to sit and put your phone away.
No one was told to sit down at either of the shows I attended on the last 2 tours.
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Fatal Tragedy tomorrow on youtube.
I'm apprehensive. My benchmark for Fatal Tragedy is the version on the 2013 Christmas album.
I need to see if I still have that. It was on my old computer, which I no longer have. But I think I have a backup.
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Potentially helpful links (while eagerly waiting for the new version of Scene Three: II)
Through My Words/Fatal Tragedy in Montreal, Quebec, Canada, 10/07/2011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaVq90z9t5k
Happy Holidays From Dream Theater, the first disk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NGc0iGLn9c
Happy Holidays From Dream Theater, the second disk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ube9CHo1zKo
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I was watching Pale Blue Dot again and noticed how good the sound and video quality is. It reminded me of Budakon in a way.
I am really anxious to hear Fatal Tragedy now... :corn
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Fatal Tragedy tomorrow on youtube.
I'm apprehensive. My benchmark for Fatal Tragedy is the version on the 2013 Christmas album.
The what??
https://www.discogs.com/Dream-Theater-Happy-Holidays-From-Dream-Theater/release/5228363
I totally forgot about that. I thought it was a cool release at the time. Looking at my files, I still have it, though I recall only ever really listening to The Count of Tuscany (which I gets a boost in a live setting) and Learning to Live. Everything else is on another live release in superior fashion, or not worthy of a special live release in the first place.
Still don't have plans to buy this right now. But looking forward to Fatal Tragedy!
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Official audio for Fatal Tragedy already on Youtube: https://youtu.be/sX1HIc4fQaw
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Listened to Fatal Tragedy on iTunes. Why the hell can't they just release this with Scene II so that there would be a "proper" beginning?
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I'm squinting at the phone trying to see if the bearded man in the front is someone from DTF :)
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omg the drum sound is so processed. Like PBD the audience is totally missing. It sounds like at studio album sorry ! Where is steven wilson or Devin live production sound? ITS A LIVE SHOW :metal
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omg the drum sound is so processed. Like PBD the audience is totally missing. It sounds like at studio album sorry ! Where is steven wilson or Devin live production sound? ITS A LIVE SHOW :metal
And yeah i know that live and studio with these guys its almost the same except James but still!
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This is going to be good release.
There's some blatantly obvious touch-ups on James' voice, but fact is his performances have degraded a lot recently, so it's unavoidable.
I like that DT seem to have found "their sound" with MM, both on DoT and this live album.
Also, Jordan's sounds are much better i feel.
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this sounds so bland, james' done live imho, no live energy at all in the mix, drums sound like they have 4 layers of effects/filters on them.
i'll pass. :-\
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People still complaining with the drum sound on this one? W5F
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So sorry that they filmed a DVD from a sleepy sitting audiience. Its not a live material. So sad :-*
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I just watched Fatal Tradegy. So dissapointed. It's like I'm listening studio recording. Not just vocals, all other things sound so processed. Seems like this is the first offical relaese I will not buy.
From the begining I thought this is a wrong move by Dream Theater that recording SFAM second time and not include DoT in its entity while they had the chance along the way of tour. Well, they are DT and I guess they know what they are doing. This is just me complaining.
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I thought it was great. It's pretty much what I heard, and JLB was that good at our show, hitting those highs.
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I'm squinting at the phone trying to see if the bearded man in the front is someone from DTF :)
You mean the only person in the audience that knows he's at a concert? :lol This is the worst crowd on a live release I can think of. What a way to suck out the energy of a live concert and add in the not so live sound of it.... I'm not impressed at all with these two videos. I already bought the nice artbook version, they are one of my favorite bands, and I will watch it when it arrives, but this isn't looking/sounding good.
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Much happier with this than PBD, much more energy on stage. Still sucks to see a seated audience but I’ll live with that. Looking forward to the release more now than I was before so the video has done it’s job.
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People still complaining with the drum sound on this one? W5F
I was surprised by how much I was okay with the drums on it. Though a lot of the cymbals seemed....gone? I saw him, a few times, doing what seemed like cool cymbal work but couldn't hear any of it at all. But what I could hear, generally sounded good.
The production, in general, was pretty good.
But it was still so sterile. It was a perfect album like replication. I just find that boring, but it seems DT and their fan base prefer it. Looks like I'll be skipping this purchase for that reason.
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Haha shieet guys you are all too negative. Fatal Tragedy is the nuts and this was just crazy! Petrucci was rocking it hard and the solos was delivered with great energy imo. I got excited watching this! :metal
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Haha shieet guys you are all too negative. Fatal Tragedy is the nuts and this was just crazy! Petrucci was rocking it hard and the solos was delivered with great energy imo. I got excited watching this! :metal
I really don't want to be so hard on one of my favorite bands, but I just watched the new live Blind Guardian video and while that was not as good from a sound or visual perspective, it was still more interesting because it actually looked and sounded live. Then youtube started playing other live videos from various bands and I found them all way better in terms of capturing a live concert. Maybe the crowd shouldn't bother me so much, but it really does. I'm all about that live energy and it just feels dead here.
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It just doesn't sound live. Except James, obviously, but work has clearly been done there even so. It sounded a bit more live than this in person.
I guess people who follow DT for their mathematical precision will lap it up, though. For me, drop the bloody click. (Perhaps these last two sentences would be better suited in the controversial opinions thread?)
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I still haven't figured out if JP is actually doing backup vocals or not. Looks like he mimes.
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It just doesn't sound live. Except James, obviously, but work has clearly been done there even so. It sounded a bit more live than this in person.
I guess people who follow DT for their mathematical precision will lap it up, though. For me, drop the bloody click. (Perhaps these last two sentences would be better suited in the controversial opinions thread?)
Do it! :hat
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I still haven't figured out if JP is actually doing backup vocals or not. Looks like he mimes.
Those are pre-recored vocals. I'm okay withy that because
1) They don't even try to hide it
2) They pretty much use them at all live shows whether they are shooting a live album or not
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It just doesn't sound live. Except James, obviously, but work has clearly been done there even so. It sounded a bit more live than this in person.
I guess people who follow DT for their mathematical precision will lap it up, though. For me, drop the bloody click. (Perhaps these last two sentences would be better suited in the controversial opinions thread?)
I follow them for their precision. This version is disappointing to me. Will not buy. (ah well, there is the Happy Holidays version. That one works.) But yes, clicks all the way.
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I should say precision is quite unimportant to me, I just like their stuff and how having precision and speed can help create awesome music I thought the solo stuff was great here and a bit surprised by the response. Still Score is way better for the live experience and I really loved 4th wall, that had a way more energetic sound as well. The mix is quite unexciting which I guess is sad since it's going a bit towards Luna Park (but not that bad), a mistake I never expected to see again.
Btw nice with new Blind Guardian video. Hanson is a beast even when she starts hitting!
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I still haven't figured out if JP is actually doing backup vocals or not. Looks like he mimes.
Those are pre-recored vocals. I'm okay withy that because
1) They don't even try to hide it
2) They pretty much use them at all live shows whether they are shooting a live album or not
Same here, because Rush does the same exact thing, and it's fine. Why can't it be fine for Dream Theater to do the same thing?
It just doesn't sound live. Except James, obviously, but work has clearly been done there even so. It sounded a bit more live than this in person.
I guess people who follow DT for their mathematical precision will lap it up, though. For me, drop the bloody click. (Perhaps these last two sentences would be better suited in the controversial opinions thread?)
I blame this on not having mics towards the audience. But then, the crowd noise usually bleeds into the vocal mics. But that doesn't help much at all if the Crowd itself just isn't lively, and constantly roaring.
Haha shieet guys you are all too negative. Fatal Tragedy is the nuts and this was just crazy! Petrucci was rocking it hard and the solos was delivered with great energy imo. I got excited watching this! :metal
I really don't want to be so hard on one of my favorite bands, but I just watched the new live Blind Guardian video and while that was not as good from a sound or visual perspective, it was still more interesting because it actually looked and sounded live. Then youtube started playing other live videos from various bands and I found them all way better in terms of capturing a live concert. Maybe the crowd shouldn't bother me so much, but it really does. I'm all about that live energy and it just feels dead here.
Blind Guardian usually draws livelier crowds though, Their style would just be weird with a sitting audience like this.
In all honesty, The crowds at the Dream Theater shows I've been to have been relatively calm. The crowd is so laid back, that Me being the One who stands, sings along, and headbangs, is considered obnoxious and detrimental to their show experience. I have only seen that type of crowd at shows here where the Audience tends to be more on the older end of the Age Spectrum, and happen to be more older bands. Rush, Kansas, Joe Satriani, Zappa Plays Zappa, Deep Purple, all these bands audiences are exactly the type of audience I see at Dream Theater shows now.
So, it's not the band that is getting old. It's the fans that are getting old, and they aren't really drawing much of a younger crowd. Or rather, the younger crowd, for some reason, are not going to the shows.
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Haha shieet guys you are all too negative. Fatal Tragedy is the nuts and this was just crazy! Petrucci was rocking it hard and the solos was delivered with great energy imo. I got excited watching this! :metal
Didn't you expect it?
I went into this thread thinking "oh, let me see the negative comments about Fatal Tragedy" :lol
Apparently, I was not mistaken.
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Just watched it and it's obvious the vocals were overdubbed/fixed (probably a bit of both), but other than that, I loved it. The performance of the band was great (especially Mangini) - and I love the look of it and the way it's filmed. Still wondering what's up with Labrie's bloated face though?
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But it was still so sterile. It was a perfect album like replication. I just find that boring, but it seems DT and their fan base prefer it. Looks like I'll be skipping this purchase for that reason.
Same here.
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I just watched. I was there (can't figure out if this was my night or Friday yet). I loved it. Maybe I am still too fresh, only following DT for not quite 5 years and
not a musician. I just care about enjoying the music and seeing how they are, and this remembering the night!. I hated sitting! I saw it 3 times in the states and didn't sit for any of those. It's a way better vibe. I rebelled as best as I could by standing between songs and when there were parts that I really, really loved. Maybe after the solo on FItL. :metal I can't remember, but there were many instances!
I have heard people say, it's a venue with seats, so you sit. Nahh! I saw Live (not a big fan, but my hubby likes them) at a seated venue and no one sat. (who could sit with Gavin Rossdale anyway :blush) I like having the seats there though, so you can sit during intermission, and you don't have to be first in line to be at the stage and then wait. Also a good place to stash stuff.
Anyway, I loved the video, it sounded that good live and I have pre-ordered the art book version.
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Inside Out said on FB that this was taken from the second night, I was also there!
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Inside Out said on FB that this was taken from the second night, I was also there!
Ooh, I guess I am going to have to look closer ;)
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Just saw Fatal Tragedy - I thought it was pretty awesome but did part of Jordan's keyboard go out during his solo at the 5:50 mark? This would have been the lower keys on the keyboard.
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I'd rather have a live recording that sounds a bit sterile than a live recording with looping canned audiences...
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Bearded guy front row was great :lol
The song sounds just fine to me.
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Just saw Fatal Tragedy - I thought it was pretty awesome but did part of Jordan's keyboard go out during his solo at the 5:50 mark? This would have been the lower keys on the keyboard.
I thought the same thing?
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I'd rather have a live recording that sounds a bit sterile than a live recording with looping canned audiences...
I'd rather have a live recording that sounds a bit sterile than being kicked in the balls and robbed. I'm not sure why that matters though?
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For me, drop the bloody click.
I just don't understand this. The click is a must if you want your music/lights/video elements to be synced perfectly with each other, and that's what the band wants for a great visual experience as well. Why is that wrong?
Megadeth plays live to a click, Haken plays live to a click, Steven Wilson plays live to a click... and I've only seen DT fans complain about this. Really?
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Does anyone play to click for the visual elements but have stretches of no click? Seems reasonable enough. I don’t want anyone to be in the wrong spot for pyrotechnics, but there’s really a lot missing when bands play exact to studio.
Diego who was all over supporting Virus on social media :| did specifically point out that he wasn’t bound to click playing on Devin’s live album. And while I feel Devin writes infinite versions of the same sound, my one listen of that live release was engaging. I came away feeling that was a bunch of people making music, not playing tracks.
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Does anyone play to click for the visual elements but have stretches of no click? Seems reasonable enough. I don’t want anyone to be in the wrong spot for pyrotechnics, but there’s really a lot missing when bands play exact to studio.
Diego who was all over supporting Virus on social media :| did specifically point out that he wasn’t bound to click playing on Devin’s live album. And while I feel Devin writes infinite versions of the same sound, my one listen of that live release was engaging. I came away feeling that was a bunch of people making music, not playing tracks.
I don't get how playing to the tempo the song is recorded in equates to playing it exactly like the studio.
The click is just a set metronome, that replaces the tempo set by whomever sets the tempo for the song. With a click it lets the band play the song at the tempo it was written in. Which the band obviously enjoys doing now. Doesn't JM say he really enjoys playing the songs in the tempo they're in?
The tones are not the same as the recorded tracks. JPs not using his Ibanez anymore, and I feel, that contributed a lot to his older tone. Rudess always changes up patches and tries different ones. JM, is the main one who hasn't changed much, but his bass tone has slightly. And we know Mangini.
Also, Diego might not have been bound to a click, but doesn't mean Devin was using one to set the tempo for the rest of the guys.
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Does anyone play to click for the visual elements but have stretches of no click? Seems reasonable enough. I don’t want anyone to be in the wrong spot for pyrotechnics, but there’s really a lot missing when bands play exact to studio.
Diego who was all over supporting Virus on social media :| did specifically point out that he wasn’t bound to click playing on Devin’s live album. And while I feel Devin writes infinite versions of the same sound, my one listen of that live release was engaging. I came away feeling that was a bunch of people making music, not playing tracks.
I don't get how playing to the tempo the song is recorded in equates to playing it exactly like the studio.
The click is just a set metronome, that replaces the tempo set by whomever sets the tempo for the song. With a click it lets the band play the song at the tempo it was written in. Which the band obviously enjoys doing now. Doesn't JM say he really enjoys playing the songs in the tempo they're in?
The tones are not the same as the recorded tracks. JPs not using his Ibanez anymore, and I feel, that contributed a lot to his older tone. Rudess always changes up patches and tries different ones. JM, is the main one who hasn't changed much, but his bass tone has slightly. And we know Mangini.
Also, Diego might not have been bound to a click, but doesn't mean Devin was using one to set the tempo for the rest of the guys.
Very informative response to the question, thank you
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The click is a must if you want your music/lights/video elements to be synced perfectly with each other
Definitely not a must, but certainly makes it easier. Plenty of bands have amazing light and stage shows that don't play to a click. Iron Maiden and Metallica come to mind. But those bands can afford to have someone there managing that vs a computer. I think DT could easily get away without playing to a click and still have a solid light and stage show.
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Maybe many venues are like this, but the front row seems really close to the stage.
Sounds good, and looks great. Wish they would have more of the backing screen visuals more often somehow.
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The click is a must if you want your music/lights/video elements to be synced perfectly with each other
Definitely not a must, but certainly makes it easier. Plenty of bands have amazing light and stage shows that don't play to a click. Iron Maiden and Metallica come to mind. But those bands can afford to have someone there managing that vs a computer. I think DT could easily get away without playing to a click and still have a solid light and stage show.
They could, but JP might think Mangini might go super sayan MP speed, on some of the difficult passages, and make him mess up the song.
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The click is a must if you want your music/lights/video elements to be synced perfectly with each other
Definitely not a must, but certainly makes it easier. Plenty of bands have amazing light and stage shows that don't play to a click. Iron Maiden and Metallica come to mind. But those bands can afford to have someone there managing that vs a computer. I think DT could easily get away without playing to a click and still have a solid light and stage show.
They could, but JP might think Mangini might go super sayan MP speed, on some of the difficult passages, and make him mess up the song.
I recall reading comments by both JR and JP and they felt that in the MP era some songs were blazing fast when performed live, making them so difficult to play (The Glass Prison comes to mind). MP is amazing of course, but his live tempo was everywhere. I understand it's part of the live energy that makes you speed things up, but I can imagine they feel much calmer now that they are constantly playing to the same tempo each and every night.
I loved this version of Fatal Tragedy. It's basically the MM-era DT at its best in most regards, and I like how different this feels to the classic LSFNY version. I can imagine JP is actually singing but his recorded voice is probably mixed so low that it feels like lip synching, but that would be just absurd because JLB recorded some backup vocals for all these songs. I'd love to hear more of his voice, but I really don't mind. I don't feel as hurt as some people I've seen over YouTube in this matter: "Sacrilege! This is cheating! This is the last band I expected to do playback! Come on DT, you used to be better than this!" Meh, JP has never been a great singer so I really don't care if he keeps doing this. There was some true live magic back in the Portnoy era but this is good as well. It's cleaner. Also, the backing vocals for Scenes in Metropolis 2000 are awful lol (can see the "but at least they were live bro" comments a mile away).
Also, JLB sounds as good as he possibly can in his age, but I'm really curious about his physique. It's weird because he's noticeably getting older (which is of course normal and OK) but he keeps dyeing his hair and putting on new tattoos and stuff, kinda trying hard to pull off a rocking persona in his 50s. I really don't mind, as long as he's happy and he's healthy but it I really liked more his choice of clothing during the Train of Thought era, for example. I overall liked a lot DT's visual aesthetic during those days, as they didn't really fit visually into the "metal band" stereotype which was something cool (at least to me). Also, I dunno if he had something health-realted going on during those days because his face looks huge (I'm sure this has been discussed already lol). He looks fine nowadays, though, judging from his most recent videos.
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They could very well speed up the click and the visual effects by the same amount, keeping synchronicity. Say 5% faster than studio. I think it would bring more energy and be more fitting for a live performance. For some reason, they don't do it.
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The extended drum roll by Mangini before the unison was a nice touch. :)
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Also, JLB sounds as good as he possibly can in his age, but I'm really curious about his physique. It's weird because he's noticeably getting older (which is of course normal and OK) but he keeps dyeing his hair and putting on new tattoos and stuff, kinda trying hard to pull off a rocking persona in his 50s. I really don't mind, as long as he's happy and he's healthy but it I really liked more his choice of clothing during the Train of Thought era, for example. I overall liked a lot DT's visual aesthetic during those days, as they didn't really fit visually into the "metal band" stereotype which was something cool (at least to me). Also, I dunno if he had something health-realted going on during those days because his face looks huge (I'm sure this has been discussed already lol). He looks fine nowadays, though, judging from his most recent videos.
Yeah this feels awkward to me as well. I'm not a fan of the aesthetic, and i recall when i first saw DT (during ToT era) that i thought it was pretty cool they didn't try to look "metal".
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They've been looking more metal since the mid 2000's - even Jordan wears t-shirts with skulls and shit. It's funny, you'd think people wouldn't have the problem with them "trying to look like rockers" when that's the life they're living - if anyone has a right to wear that stuff, it's the guy that earns a living by playing/singing metal songs live to people :lol
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What if the members really just want to wear what they want to wear and looh how they want to look? Even JP is selling a line of beard products now, loving his glorious hair.
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Stupid question but has the pre-order for the vinyl been released? I can't seem to find it if it has.
EDIT: found it, I'm dumb.
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Really really enjoyed Fatal Tragedy, much more than Pale Blue Dot (although that might have something to do with it being a significantly better song) Great stuff. Love that drum fill before the unison.
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Blind Guardian usually draws livelier crowds though, Their style would just be weird with a sitting audience like this.
In all honesty, The crowds at the Dream Theater shows I've been to have been relatively calm. The crowd is so laid back, that Me being the One who stands, sings along, and headbangs, is considered obnoxious and detrimental to their show experience. I have only seen that type of crowd at shows here where the Audience tends to be more on the older end of the Age Spectrum, and happen to be more older bands. Rush, Kansas, Joe Satriani, Zappa Plays Zappa, Deep Purple, all these bands audiences are exactly the type of audience I see at Dream Theater shows now.
So, it's not the band that is getting old. It's the fans that are getting old, and they aren't really drawing much of a younger crowd. Or rather, the younger crowd, for some reason, are not going to the shows.
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As one of their younger fans (low 20s), I don't attend their concerts because I can't afford to. I have school debt, current grad school, housing, insurance, ect. to pay. I went to this most recent tour, but only because of a surprise school refund. I feel like my case is pretty similar across the spectrum which is why young fans don't attend the concerts.
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They've been looking more metal since the mid 2000's - even Jordan wears t-shirts with skulls and shit. It's funny, you'd think people wouldn't have the problem with them "trying to look like rockers" when that's the life they're living - if anyone has a right to wear that stuff, it's the guy that earns a living by playing/singing metal songs live to people :lol
I don't believe anyone ever said they had a problem with their clothing and such, it's just curious thing as I think it kinda feels that instead of slowly giving up the metal look (as you could guess would happen to aging men) they have slowly embraced it wholeheartedly. It's not a bad thing of course, they can do whatever they want, but their mid 2000s look had this very classy and elegant feel all over that I miss every now and then. :D
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The extended drum roll by Mangini before the unison was a nice touch. :)
Mangini did the Drumfill, to buy time for Rudess to get his Keytar on. :biggrin:
I really like Rudess' Tone and what he added to the " I tried to get more answers..." section.
And also, the shot of Myung, and Rudess with his Keytar is a neat part. And Manginis face when he looks back at jordan. :)
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The extended drum roll by Mangini before the unison was a nice touch. :)
Mangini did the Drumfill, to buy time for Rudess to get his Keytar on. :biggrin:
I really like Rudess' Tone and what he added to the " I tried to get more answers..." section.
And also, the shot of Myung, and Rudess with his Keytar is a neat part. And Manginis face when he looks back at jordan. :)
One thing I have liked a lot from both this tour and the Astonishing tour is how timed and staged everything is. It really makes you feel like you're watching a well rehearsed theater play.
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The extended drum roll by Mangini before the unison was a nice touch. :)
Mangini did the Drumfill, to buy time for Rudess to get his Keytar on. :biggrin:
I really like Rudess' Tone and what he added to the " I tried to get more answers..." section.
And also, the shot of Myung, and Rudess with his Keytar is a neat part. And Manginis face when he looks back at jordan. :)
One thing I have liked a lot from both this tour and the Astonishing tour is how timed and staged everything is. It really makes you feel like you're watching a well rehearsed theater play.
I sure hope they did. Or else this might happen...
https://youtu.be/IFYxakkDNmg
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I'll be honest, with Fatal Tragedy the vocals sound very processed to the point where I personally have issues with it. I'd rather have significant, natural sounding overdubs than vocals sounding like this to be honest.
And yes I like Labrie as a vocalist very much and have seen clips from 2019 where I thought he did good. Unfortunately the EU tour was very rough for whatever reason.
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The extended drum roll by Mangini before the unison was a nice touch. :)
Mangini did the Drumfill, to buy time for Rudess to get his Keytar on. :biggrin:
I really like Rudess' Tone and what he added to the " I tried to get more answers..." section.
And also, the shot of Myung, and Rudess with his Keytar is a neat part. And Manginis face when he looks back at jordan. :)
One thing I have liked a lot from both this tour and the Astonishing tour is how timed and staged everything is. It really makes you feel like you're watching a well rehearsed theater play.
That's pretty much exactly what their show has become.
I did enjoy the drum roll to, sure it was to give JR time to get the keytar, but it was a nice change to the song in this version.
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The extended drum roll by Mangini before the unison was a nice touch. :)
Mangini did the Drumfill, to buy time for Rudess to get his Keytar on. :biggrin:
Yes and very cool way to do so!
I think Mangini could make it a bit longer, there wasn't almost enough time to Jordan to get the keytar... maybe in some shows the drum fill wasn't enough! :lol
About the click track discussion, I think DT was compared to a lot of musicians and bands that do this, which it seems to be the default nowadays. I don't have anything against the click track, but I really don't like when it's used to add some significant instrumentation or backing vocals in the live performance (which unfortunatly also seems a trend nowadays). As exemple, I think Fates Warning, Steven Wilson and Haken, with the exception of some pre-recording voices (more like speaking words) or minimum drum loops (wich Haken do this live), don't use aditional guitars nor keyboards nor backing vocals, and I think it's cool that way.
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When I saw them at the Octavarium tour it was def like a rehearsed theater show and mostly been like that every time. Never been a problem to me and kind of expected. The energy of Blind Guardian shows or more classic metal acts has never been their thing. Portnoy had a cool energy but that never changed the overall impression to me that much.
The best energy I ever seen from Dream Theater by large margin was the tour after DT12 (4th Wall). That was something else and still one of my favorite concerts of any band. I don't even like DT12 🤷♂️ When Illumination Theory started the crowd went kind of wild, haven't seen that much otherwise.
I must also say that the best look was def Budokan era. The metal style really isn't my thing and I thought it was awesome when LaBrie had a shirt and looked more classy. Think that fit their more musician oriented style and fits them. But ofc their choice and all that! 😁
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Duplicated post somehow.
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All this proves to me, just how much MP spoiled us Dream Theater Fans to Band related things. MP is himself a music fan, and still is that music fan. He is like one of us, whom made it, and is seeing everything for his own eyes that is the Music Business. He gave us things he wanted himself, from his favorite bands. His mindset is still of a fan, everything he does is for us fans. He wants our experience to be the best it could be. I am grateful for all of it, and appreciate the amount of behind the scenes stuff he has given us. There is no other band where we have gotten as much as we have, and we are very fortunate for a guy like MP to have been in the band.
Now that he is gone, the Mindset of the band is entirely Musician/Band.
I myself am happy where the band is at the moment, I am enjoying it. The only thing I wished would've been different is the decision to have done these anniversary shows. I do not fault the band for this decision, as I still enjoyed those shows. I also, am concerned about LaBries live vocals, and am starting to believe we are starting to see JLB affected by old age and other related things, an unfortunate reality we will have to accept one day, it's inevitable it's going to happen, and I am ready for it. As Things don't last forever.
This mix though, does replicate how it sounded live. I guess I got lucky, JLB was pretty good at the Denver show, he wasn't as bad as people are saying he is on here that's for sure.
He did though, have an effect on his mic. He usually uses effects live, as is documented on Budakon.
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Ok being in a hungover stupor this morning I preorded the vinyl boxset from recordstore.uk, are all the vinyls the same clear ones? I couldn't find any info on recordstore
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https://youtu.be/mkUlZHxjMY0 well!
Ok. This will not be a live DVD but a great visual show with world class musician on the speaker!😀.
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https://youtu.be/mkUlZHxjMY0 well!
Ok. This will not be a live DVD but a great visual show with world class musician on the speaker!😀.
The original sounds quite good... until the high vocal part :eek
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https://youtu.be/mkUlZHxjMY0 well!
Ok. This will not be a live DVD but a great visual show with world class musician on the speaker!😀.
I forgot the crowd at show I attended sang along with the opening too... definitely would’ve liked some of that on this “recording”
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https://youtu.be/mkUlZHxjMY0 well!
Ok. This will not be a live DVD but a great visual show with world class musician on the speaker!😀.
The original sounds quite good... until the high vocal part :eek
It's not that different. His voice does resonate differently in person then it does on video though, especially on these bootleg videos.
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Man, I don't care at all if they overdubbed or pitch-corrected any of JLB's lines. The last couple of times I've seen him live he has kicked ass and that's good enough for me, and nowadays he sounds as good as a 50+ year old JLB can possibly sound like. I'm tired of the "fire JLB now/awesome musicianship and horrible vocals lol" because people don't seem to see the bigger picture. The day JLB leaves is the day DT ends and I'm willing to argue with anyone on that subject if it came to that lol. Luckily, that's never going to happen.
Also, his "Live at the Marquee" '92 performance was entirely rerecorded and that doesn't make him any less of a singer. The thing is, I feel, that he put the bar so up high during his prime that no one can live up to that expectation, not even JLB himself. YouTube videos documenting concerts are something super common now, and people can basically go and nitpick any little detail and mishap to their hearts' content if it pleases them to do so, so I don't care if they went an extra mile in making sure the "official" Blu-Ray presentation is as polished as possible.
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I was actually planning on skipping this release because it's quite pricey, but that Fatal Tragedy vid changed my mind. I really enjoyed that a lot. If we are speaking of overdubs, there was one part of JP's solo I thought didn't match up, but I'd have to watch again. I liked James here actually too.
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Hmmm...yeah, 4:46 looks overdubbed.
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It seems like JLB is overcompensating with his approach to singing these songs. It just made the video feel awkward. I'll definitely buy the blu-ray, but it seems that James has morphed into a different version of himself. He's always been one of my all time favorite singers and still is, but his performance in this version of fatal tragedy seems forced and has me a bit worried. ???
I don't blame it on age. Roger Daltry, Jon Anderson, and Bruce Dickinson are still killing it..
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Man, I don't care at all if they overdubbed or pitch-corrected any of JLB's lines. The last couple of times I've seen him live he has kicked ass and that's good enough for me, and nowadays he sounds as good as a 50+ year old JLB can possibly sound like. I'm tired of the "fire JLB now/awesome musicianship and horrible vocals lol" because people don't seem to see the bigger picture. The day JLB leaves is the day DT ends and I'm willing to argue with anyone on that subject if it came to that lol. Luckily, that's never going to happen.
Also, his "Live at the Marquee" '92 performance was entirely rerecorded and that doesn't make him any less of a singer. The thing is, I feel, that he put the bar so up high during his prime that no one can live up to that expectation, not even JLB himself. YouTube videos documenting concerts are something super common now, and people can basically go and nitpick any little detail and mishap to their hearts' content if it pleases them to do so, so I don't care if they went an extra mile in making sure the "official" Blu-Ray presentation is as polished as possible.
This is exactly where I'm at. I'm still unsure about getting this, because the 'live' feel simply isn't there due to the audience being so subdued. Granted, I watch live DVDs for the on-stage experience, but there are elements of the crowd vibe that plays an important part. I mean, just thinking about some of the crowd shots from L@B or Score make me yearn for that kind of experience here. This is like watching bingo hour at an old-age home.
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It seems like JLB is overcompensating with his approach to singing these songs. It just made the video feel awkward. I'll definitely buy the blu-ray, but it seems that James has morphed into a different version of himself. He's always been one of my all time favorite singers and still is, but his performance in this version of fatal tragedy seems forced and has me a bit worried. ???
I don't blame it on age. Roger Daltry, Jon Anderson, and Bruce Dickinson are still killing it..
Vocal training for rock singers is such a mixed bag. Looks like JLB's had a coach tell him to act out every line like he's a character. (I've seen clips on Youtube of coaches giving this advice and getting bad results, instead of something actually useful)
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Sorry, but these JLB vocals are the worst vocals I've ever heard on a main Dream Theater release. The band sounds real stiff too. I can't believe this is a real live album.
Question, would you be against the band improvising their solos especially if it's one of the older songs where JP and JR trade off? The Fatal Tragedy solos JP and JR both sound so bored, or maybe it's sloppy sounding because they've played those solos hundreds of times, but it's like they're playing a solo that their younger selves would have played but they now would do something different. I can understand playing the solo in Under A Glass Moon, or Octavarium, as those are more composition than solo.
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It seems like JLB is overcompensating with his approach to singing these songs. It just made the video feel awkward. I'll definitely buy the blu-ray, but it seems that James has morphed into a different version of himself. He's always been one of my all time favorite singers and still is, but his performance in this version of fatal tragedy seems forced and has me a bit worried. ???
I don't blame it on age. Roger Daltry, Jon Anderson, and Bruce Dickinson are still killing it..
This kind of comparison is a very common misconception that fans make (not just DT fans). You are talking about a technical capacity that has BIOLOGICAL RESOURCES.
Daltrey, Anderson, Dickinson, LaBrie are different people. They have different genotypes and phenotypes. They have different histories with the environment. They have different histories of using this biological resource. Therefore, their biological resources respond differently.
Some go bald as they get older, others don't. Some people died of SARS-Cov-2, others recovered. Some people suffer more from the aging of the voice. It depends on your biology and your life history.
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Question, would you be against the band improvising their solos especially if it's one of the older songs where JP and JR trade off? The Fatal Tragedy solos JP and JR both sound so bored,
I wouldn't have a problem with them improvising solos if the improv part is an extension of the solo. Also you might have a point about them being bored. Look at the BIG YAWN JP let's out at the 3:54 mark. :lol
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I always thought LaBrie must feel agony for every release. Whatever he do there will be critisism against him. It's too processed or overdubbed, but if he don't it sounds awful and out of tune. Ofc comparison videos showing every mistake and overdub etc. At the same time fans want perfection from them. Solo should be perfect but emotional and spontaneous.
I know this is the thing with DT and the fans. Nothing wrong with expression it as well. Every release it's the same procedure but it must be hard for DT to do it all right, even trying to understand what the hell that is.
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I always thought LaBrie must feel agony for every release. Whatever he do there will be critisism against him. It's too processed or overdubbed, but if he don't it sounds awful and out of tune. Ofc comparison videos showing every mistake and overdub etc. At the same time fans want perfection from them. Solo should be perfect but emotional and spontaneous.
I know this is the thing with DT and the fans. Nothing wrong with expression it as well. Every release it's the same procedure but it must be hard for DT to do it all right, even trying to understand what the hell that is.
For live releases I’d want it to be as close to what I saw at the show, with literally a full pro release of the show I attended being the ideal ;D
Of course they can clean mistakes up, but it starts to cross the border of too many nips and tucks
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For the life of me I don't know why they chose to shoot the video that far into the tour where JLB has put a ton of hours on his voice. You would think that he would want to shoot the video earlier in the tour where his voice would be much fresher. At the Chicago and St. Louis shows the whole band was on fire. Rush would do the exact same thing and I could never understand why.
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It seems like JLB is overcompensating with his approach to singing these songs. It just made the video feel awkward. I'll definitely buy the blu-ray, but it seems that James has morphed into a different version of himself. He's always been one of my all time favorite singers and still is, but his performance in this version of fatal tragedy seems forced and has me a bit worried. ???
I don't blame it on age. Roger Daltry, Jon Anderson, and Bruce Dickinson are still killing it..
They also didn't have their vocal capabilities compromised by a food poisoning incident. That terribly screwed up LaBries entire voice, where he had to learn a different technique to sing with his current capabilities. Train of Thought era, is where he really got a good comfort spot with his vocals.
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Man, I don't care at all if they overdubbed or pitch-corrected any of JLB's lines. The last couple of times I've seen him live he has kicked ass and that's good enough for me, and nowadays he sounds as good as a 50+ year old JLB can possibly sound like. I'm tired of the "fire JLB now/awesome musicianship and horrible vocals lol" because people don't seem to see the bigger picture. The day JLB leaves is the day DT ends and I'm willing to argue with anyone on that subject if it came to that lol. Luckily, that's never going to happen.
Also, his "Live at the Marquee" '92 performance was entirely rerecorded and that doesn't make him any less of a singer. The thing is, I feel, that he put the bar so up high during his prime that no one can live up to that expectation, not even JLB himself. YouTube videos documenting concerts are something super common now, and people can basically go and nitpick any little detail and mishap to their hearts' content if it pleases them to do so, so I don't care if they went an extra mile in making sure the "official" Blu-Ray presentation is as polished as possible.
This is exactly where I'm at. I'm still unsure about getting this, because the 'live' feel simply isn't there due to the audience being so subdued. Granted, I watch live DVDs for the on-stage experience, but there are elements of the crowd vibe that plays an important part. I mean, just thinking about some of the crowd shots from L@B or Score make me yearn for that kind of experience here. This is like watching bingo hour at an old-age home.
Redemptions Alive in Color, has this problem too. Nightwishs Decades does as well.
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I always thought LaBrie must feel agony for every release. Whatever he do there will be critisism against him. It's too processed or overdubbed, but if he don't it sounds awful and out of tune. Ofc comparison videos showing every mistake and overdub etc. At the same time fans want perfection from them. Solo should be perfect but emotional and spontaneous.
I know this is the thing with DT and the fans. Nothing wrong with expression it as well. Every release it's the same procedure but it must be hard for DT to do it all right, even trying to understand what the hell that is.
You should see the Misha Mansoor and Herman Li twitch video. Misha was asking Herman, and learning, what he should do for his Twitch channel. Herman mentioned, don't pay attention to the comments. As they were going to begin playing a song together, Misha told Herman, this one says i'm too low, this one says I'm to high, this one says...and Herman looks at him, and gives him a funny look of "Really, just ignore them" and then said, "What we hear, in here is right."...I laughed so hard, as that is how it exactly is...
You got people suggesting this and that, Complaining of this and that, and those Praising the this and that.
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They recorded two shows, and they've picked from the best of both nights to make up the best possible release. And if need be they can also pull from all the other shows they did on the tour as they keep all the recordings of all the shows in an archive. So it's not strictly speaking an overdub, more likely it's a pull from another show.
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I'd rather have a live recording that sounds a bit sterile than a live recording with looping canned audiences...
I'd rather have a live recording that sounds a bit sterile than being kicked in the balls and robbed. I'm not sure why that matters though?
But; I've never been kicked in the balls and robbed, but I DO have several DT live albums that used canned audiences to push up the "liveness" of the album. It becomes super apparent when you notice the same woman shouting in an extremely regular interval...
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They recorded two shows, and they've picked from the best of both nights to make up the best possible release. And if need be they can also pull from all the other shows they did on the tour as they keep all the recordings of all the shows in an archive. So it's not strictly speaking an overdub, more likely it's a pull from another show.
Any idea if this was done Kim? IMO, it would give more credibility to it being live than if they did re-recording or pitch adjustments in the studio. Altho I also imagine it would be difficult to get the audio to sync up correctly with the video if JL's on screen when they did the swap.
I'd rather have a live recording that sounds a bit sterile than a live recording with looping canned audiences...
I'd rather have a live recording that sounds a bit sterile than being kicked in the balls and robbed. I'm not sure why that matters though?
But; I've never been kicked in the balls and robbed, but I DO have several DT live albums that used canned audiences to push up the "liveness" of the album. It becomes super apparent when you notice the same woman shouting in an extremely regular interval...
I'm with you - the canned audience loops, IMO take away from it being live. After all, you could take a studio or soundcheck recording and slap some phony audience on it, which is what some other bands have done on some of their "live" releases.
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They recorded two shows, and they've picked from the best of both nights to make up the best possible release. And if need be they can also pull from all the other shows they did on the tour as they keep all the recordings of all the shows in an archive. So it's not strictly speaking an overdub, more likely it's a pull from another show.
Any idea if this was done Kim? IMO, it would give more credibility to it being live than if they did re-recording or pitch adjustments in the studio. Altho I also imagine it would be difficult to get the audio to sync up correctly with the video if JL's on screen when they did the swap.
They could just cut to another camera for whatever line they were substituting, no?
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I'm not sure anyone would prefer a fake audience noise but just a real, livelier one. And if you have no audience, then making changes to the audio, live overdubs or whatever, becomes more apparent. I just wish DT had a more lively show overall is my honest opinion of the band. Also, definitely love JLB and his live performances from my own experiences.
Redemptions Alive in Color, has this problem too. Nightwishs Decades does as well.
Yea, Redemptoins, I didn't expect to be crazy, I mean we had fun being there but I didn't remember it being wild.. at least the crowd was standing. The audio on that is really good IMO and picture quality is great. So far, I think that maybe a better live album than this.
Nightwishs was a bit disappointing with the crowd considering the location, and also was a bit dark, but that performance and set is so good, thats a fantastic live release IMO. Great for CD because it has new versions of lots of old songs and sounds pretty good.
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They could just cut to another camera for whatever line they were substituting, no?
^Yeah that's why you see so many cuts to the drummer during guitar solos on modern live DVD's :lol
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They could just cut to another camera for whatever line they were substituting, no?
^Yeah that's why you see so many cuts to the drummer during guitar solos on modern live DVD's :lol
Hah!
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For the life of me I don't know why they chose to shoot the video that far into the tour where JLB has put a ton of hours on his voice. You would think that he would want to shoot the video earlier in the tour where his voice would be much fresher. At the Chicago and St. Louis shows the whole band was on fire. Rush would do the exact same thing and I could never understand why.
I think it's a matter of rehearsal and marketing.
The rehearsal part is obvious. The longer the tour goes, the better trained they are on the performance - even if JLB's voice can reflect their tiredness.
Marketing: recording one of the last ones generate attention to the shows when there are fewer novelties on it, and would theoretically be the last interesting. Imagine a tour where the first concert is the recorded one, and that it is a public fact that it'll be eventually released - doesn't it get harder to promote the other shows?
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But; I've never been kicked in the balls and robbed, but I DO have several DT live albums that used canned audiences to push up the "liveness" of the album. It becomes super apparent when you notice the same woman shouting in an extremely regular interval...
Her name is Trisha. She's a staple of live records (see Wilhelm Scream) I believe she also does ADR for adult features.
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They recorded two shows, and they've picked from the best of both nights to make up the best possible release. And if need be they can also pull from all the other shows they did on the tour as they keep all the recordings of all the shows in an archive. So it's not strictly speaking an overdub, more likely it's a pull from another show.
They did the same thing for Pink Floyd's PULSE VHS/DVD. If you want to see what the uncut unedited concert was like there is a youtube video of the whole show as it streamed on PPV.
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For the life of me I don't know why they chose to shoot the video that far into the tour where JLB has put a ton of hours on his voice. You would think that he would want to shoot the video earlier in the tour where his voice would be much fresher. At the Chicago and St. Louis shows the whole band was on fire. Rush would do the exact same thing and I could never understand why.
I think it's a matter of rehearsal and marketing.
The rehearsal part is obvious. The longer the tour goes, the better trained they are on the performance - even if JLB's voice can reflect their tiredness.
Marketing: recording one of the last ones generate attention to the shows when there are fewer novelties on it, and would theoretically be the last interesting. Imagine a tour where the first concert is the recorded one, and that it is a public fact that it'll be eventually released - doesn't it get harder to promote the other shows?
From my experience, the first and last shows of a tour are already the most interesting, first because you don't know the set and last because the bands are always much more loose on that last show and often times will do something different or add in some sort of surprise. I think recording a show would work fine mid tour and work the worst on opening night. Doing it at the end is fine IMO, but you might get a tired singer.
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I still haven't figured out if JP is actually doing backup vocals or not. Looks like he mimes.
A couple of things on that:
1. JP denies lip synching and says he sings every backup vocal, but intentionally keeps his backups low in the mix because he doesn't really like the way he sounds, and does the backups both for the visual and for just adding a bit of different texture. At least, that's what he said back on the DT12 tour. I haven't spoken with him about it or heard him comment since then.
2. Whether or not #1 is 100% true 100% of the time, from my experiences with the band, I can vouch for it to an extent. On the DT12 tour, I was close enough to JP to hear him singing (probably about 5 feet from him). I have also heard them sound check a few times where they run through songs without James before he comes out, and I will tell you that, as others have noted, they have James' voice piped in doing harmonies on the backing vocals for parts. Those backup harmonies are higher (louder) than JP's mix. So what you get in a live setting, at least in some parts, is James singing lead, piped in backing vocals, and JP singing, but almost buried beneath James, the backing track, and the instruments. That is what I witnessed firsthand on the DT12 tour (and I think I remember being a able to hear JP at the second TA show in Reno where they had a standing area/pit right in front of the stage, but I don't remember for sure anymore; Geeemo may remember).
That info is a bit dated, but I think it is probably likely that that is what they are still doing.
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JP denies lip synching and says he sings every backup vocal, but intentionally keeps his backups low in the mix because he doesn't really like the way he sounds
That makes sense, as he stopped doing backing vocals in the studio from ADTOE onwards. I think the live backing vocals aspect was always more of an MP idea (and his desire to sing a lot with every band he's in), so maybe JP wasn't too comfortable doing them but still did them, just because.
Now, I do think that he could probably just stop doing them live, as they're really buried in the mix and most fans interpret it as him just lip synching.
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It's not so noticeable in the live setting, but watching these new live videos, it seems much more obvious that you are not actually hearing JP singing. I'd have to go back and watch the other live albums to see if it looked/souneded as noticeable. I don't recall.
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It's not so noticeable in the live setting, but watching these new live videos, it seems much more obvious that you are not actually hearing JP singing. I'd have to go back and watch the other live albums to see if it looked/souneded as noticeable. I don't recall.
You don't remember that from Breaking the Fourth Wall as well? People were really making a big deal out of it on that release. It's that way on Luna Park as well, but to a lesser degree. And I think it is just less noticeable because the camera doesn't linger on JP. And you do have some songs where his backup vocals are brought more to the front, like The Silent Man.
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It's not so noticeable in the live setting, but watching these new live videos, it seems much more obvious that you are not actually hearing JP singing. I'd have to go back and watch the other live albums to see if it looked/souneded as noticeable. I don't recall.
You don't remember that from Breaking the Fourth Wall as well? People were really making a big deal out of it on that release. It's that way on Luna Park as well, but to a lesser degree. And I think it is just less noticeable because the camera doesn't linger on JP. And you do have some songs where his backup vocals are brought more to the front, like The Silent Man.
I haven't watched them in awhile, I know the discussion about his vocals have been going on since MP left but just don't recall specifically for those videos. The crowd noises in Luna Park and the orchestra being unheard in Breaking the Fourth Wall are the issues I think of went it comes to those DVDs, and neither really bothered me too much like the things in this DVD seem to be bothering me.
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I still haven't figured out if JP is actually doing backup vocals or not. Looks like he mimes.
A couple of things on that:
1. JP denies lip synching and says he sings every backup vocal, but intentionally keeps his backups low in the mix because he doesn't really like the way he sounds, and does the backups both for the visual and for just adding a bit of different texture. At least, that's what he said back on the DT12 tour. I haven't spoken with him about it or heard him comment since then.
2. Whether or not #1 is 100% true 100% of the time, from my experiences with the band, I can vouch for it to an extent. On the DT12 tour, I was close enough to JP to hear him singing (probably about 5 feet from him). I have also heard them sound check a few times where they run through songs without James before he comes out, and I will tell you that, as others have noted, they have James' voice piped in doing harmonies on the backing vocals for parts. Those backup harmonies are higher (louder) than JP's mix. So what you get in a live setting, at least in some parts, is James singing lead, piped in backing vocals, and JP singing, but almost buried beneath James, the backing track, and the instruments. That is what I witnessed firsthand on the DT12 tour (and I think I remember being a able to hear JP at the second TA show in Reno where they had a standing area/pit right in front of the stage, but I don't remember for sure anymore; Geeemo may remember).
That info is a bit dated, but I think it is probably likely that that is what they are still doing.
I totally can see he is actually singing, but if they're just using a James backing track why bother?
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I think it probably looks way better to a casual fan, who has never heard JP speak or remember his natural singing tone.
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Thanks for the clarification, bosk :tup
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I still haven't figured out if JP is actually doing backup vocals or not. Looks like he mimes.
A couple of things on that:
1. JP denies lip synching and says he sings every backup vocal, but intentionally keeps his backups low in the mix because he doesn't really like the way he sounds, and does the backups both for the visual and for just adding a bit of different texture. At least, that's what he said back on the DT12 tour. I haven't spoken with him about it or heard him comment since then.
2. Whether or not #1 is 100% true 100% of the time, from my experiences with the band, I can vouch for it to an extent. On the DT12 tour, I was close enough to JP to hear him singing (probably about 5 feet from him). I have also heard them sound check a few times where they run through songs without James before he comes out, and I will tell you that, as others have noted, they have James' voice piped in doing harmonies on the backing vocals for parts. Those backup harmonies are higher (louder) than JP's mix. So what you get in a live setting, at least in some parts, is James singing lead, piped in backing vocals, and JP singing, but almost buried beneath James, the backing track, and the instruments. That is what I witnessed firsthand on the DT12 tour (and I think I remember being a able to hear JP at the second TA show in Reno where they had a standing area/pit right in front of the stage, but I don't remember for sure anymore; Geeemo may remember).
That info is a bit dated, but I think it is probably likely that that is what they are still doing.
I totally can see he is actually singing, but if they're just using a James backing track why bother?
Why did Alex Lifeson bother as well? We know the answer. Aesthetics. And you know what? I'm ok with it. Some bands have 5 guys that can sing. Some only have one but want harmonies.
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I also guess that's it (aesthetics). Although the pre-recorded JLB backing vocals is really what DT wants to be heard live, it would be too embarrassing if they were there and nobody was singing at the stage at the same moment. But, personally, I would prefer worst and real live backing vocals (or none) than this way.
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So would I but I do understand why some bands do it.
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It's just pretty comical when he sings and you clearly hear it's James' voice. :lol
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I think part of the reason why it's harder to accept with DT is because it wasn't always this way. When MP was in the band, all the backing vocals were live. Yeah, maybe it didn't sound exactly like on the album, but no one going to see a concert is going to expect that. And they're real vocals - not taped performances. To me, these recorded backing vocals are just as bad as the canned audience loops on L@LP - fake, not the genuine article. They come off as disingenuous.
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I think part of the reason why it's harder to accept with DT is because it wasn't always this way. When MP was in the band, all the backing vocals were live. Yeah, maybe it didn't sound exactly like on the album, but no one going to see a concert is going to expect that. And they're real vocals - not taped performances. To me, these recorded backing vocals are just as bad as the canned audience loops on L@LP - fake, not the genuine article. They come off as disingenuous.
I'm not fan of MP on lead vocals, but I always thought his live backing vocals were solid. Definitely good enough, and I enjoyed them the couple times I've seen Winery Dogs. But you kind of hit the nail on the head, when MP left, that live vibe from DT also left, and that is not a knock on MM, who I love, it's about the approach the band took with the live show.
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I think part of the reason why it's harder to accept with DT is because it wasn't always this way. When MP was in the band, all the backing vocals were live. Yeah, maybe it didn't sound exactly like on the album, but no one going to see a concert is going to expect that. And they're real vocals - not taped performances. To me, these recorded backing vocals are just as bad as the canned audience loops on L@LP - fake, not the genuine article. They come off as disingenuous.
Yeah, I think it's awful.
What else is fake? Is JP actually not playing his solos? Is JLB lip synching too? I mean where does it end?
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I think part of the reason why it's harder to accept with DT is because it wasn't always this way. When MP was in the band, all the backing vocals were live. Yeah, maybe it didn't sound exactly like on the album, but no one going to see a concert is going to expect that. And they're real vocals - not taped performances. To me, these recorded backing vocals are just as bad as the canned audience loops on L@LP - fake, not the genuine article. They come off as disingenuous.
Yeah, I think it's awful.
What else is fake? Is JP actually not playing his solos? Is JLB lip synching too? I mean where does it end?
Unbeknownst to us they’ve been miming to Distant Memories the whole tour, and it’s been ready for release since D/T came out :lol
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Why did Alex Lifeson bother as well?
I always had a theory that they never told him it wasn’t on. ;D
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Most bands I listen to put at least some of the backing vocals on tape. The math is simple, if you have only one guy who's kinda willing and kinda able to do backing vocals live, it's never gonna come off great. When it was MP and JP, they could cover each other. This way is the best solution for him - he gets to sing, you can't hear him too well so he doesn't have to stress about fucking up 20 instances of backing vocals, and he doesn't have to sit in the studio overdubbing his backing vocals for every live release! Especially now that they're playing some portion of SFAM for every other live release :lol
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MP's backing vocals on Hollow Years from L@B is :metal
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There's a lot of "secret sauce" in the mix of a live show that they prefer to stay a mystery even if it's pretty much common knowledge among the hardcore fans, so they won't really readily admit to them ;)
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Official audio for Fatal Tragedy already on Youtube: https://youtu.be/sX1HIc4fQaw
Vid is no longer available and comments have been turned off. What gives? I haven't seen it yet.
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Official audio for Fatal Tragedy already on Youtube: https://youtu.be/sX1HIc4fQaw
Vid is no longer available and comments have been turned off. What gives? I haven't seen it yet.
Edit: Seems to be working now.
That link shows vid is no longer available for me, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dau5acQfaww (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dau5acQfaww) this works
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There's a lot of "secret sauce" in the mix of a live show that they prefer to stay a mystery even if it's pretty much common knowledge among the hardcore fans, so they won't really readily admit to them ;)
I find this very interesting.
A day or two ago, I watched the most recent Q&A you did with Jordan and John, and they were asked why the live video for Pale blue dot features the intro from the studio album instead of the actual intro they use in the concerts. I assume that the speech the play in the shows cannot be used for the live recording for copyright reasons. The fan community is aware of similar situations from the past. However, Jordan and John completely avoided addressing that. I have a feeling they like messing with us a bit. :lol
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Most bands I listen to put at least some of the backing vocals on tape. The math is simple, if you have only one guy who's kinda willing and kinda able to do backing vocals live, it's never gonna come off great. When it was MP and JP, they could cover each other.
I don't know about covering for each other, but it's worth pointing out that the backing vocals on the chorus of Fatal Tragedy are a 2-part harmony, which JP obviously couldn't do by himself. JP and MP yacking that part up on LSFNY is one of the only parts of that album/video that makes me cringe.
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I just realized there's a different cover to the new live release in Europe
https://www.insideoutshop.de/Item/Dream_Theater_-_Distant_Memories_-_Live_in_London_-Ltd-_Deluxe_3CD-2Blu-ray-2DVD_Artbook-/16709
Pretty cool.
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Is that for Europe or for the artbook?
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Is that for Europe or for the artbook?
Upon further reading, it's for the Artbook
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I don't mind JP adding (mixed out) backup vocals over pre-recorded JL backup vox piped through the PA. But JP seriously needs to work on his guitar face though. I'm just not "feeling" the notes. The notes always sound 113% better when the correct guitar facial technique is applied. Also, if he could learn how to spin and flip his guitar around like a "proper" rock star that would improve his stature among the greats immensely. ;)
I hope everyone can tell I'm joking? No? ... OK then I stand by statements as absolute pillars of immutable FACT. :justjen
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But JP seriously needs to work on his guitar face though. I'm just not "feeling" the notes. The notes always sound 113% better when the correct guitar facial technique is applied. Also, if he could learn how to spin and flip his guitar around like a "proper" rock star that would improve his stature among the greats immensely. ;)
Also, John Myung needs to apply fur to his basses.
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I just realized there's a different cover to the new live release in Europe
https://www.insideoutshop.de/Item/Dream_Theater_-_Distant_Memories_-_Live_in_London_-Ltd-_Deluxe_3CD-2Blu-ray-2DVD_Artbook-/16709
Pretty cool.
I like that cover much better! :tup
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I think that's the special edition cover.
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But JP seriously needs to work on his guitar face though. I'm just not "feeling" the notes. The notes always sound 113% better when the correct guitar facial technique is applied. Also, if he could learn how to spin and flip his guitar around like a "proper" rock star that would improve his stature among the greats immensely. ;)
Also, John Myung needs to apply fur to his basses.
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Yep thats how we do it in my neck of the woods. :natalieportman:
To be fair JP does have a few nice "rock star" moves (ex. points to sky in BAI solo climax.) ...and every now and then he shows his bare teeth
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To be fair JP does have a few nice "rock star" moves (ex. points to sky in BAI solo climax.) ...and every now and then he shows his bare teeth
He used to have this stare that was actually a little unnerving the first couple times I saw DT.
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The official trailer is here:
https://twitter.com/dreamtheaternet/status/1328716399976587269?s=20
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I watched the concvert last night and it was annoying "hearing" Petrucci with James Labrie voice during the choruses
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Did you have a review copy? How'd you get it so early.
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Did you have a review copy? How'd you get it so early.
Yes, a review copy
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Ah okay, I'm out of the loop with who everyone is on DTF these days. Rarely find the time to browse or post.
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The official trailer is here:
https://twitter.com/dreamtheaternet/status/1328716399976587269?s=20
I find it very weird that they first drop two full song videos and then they release the trailer :lol
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^That's the first thing I thought too. The trailer is almost pointless at this point(less)
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Also was thinking that but from looking at the trailer, maybe they saw the feedback on the seated crowd so did an edit that made it look more like an exciting rock concert.
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I still think it looks cool the way it's filmed
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I think part of the reason why it's harder to accept with DT is because it wasn't always this way. When MP was in the band, all the backing vocals were live. Yeah, maybe it didn't sound exactly like on the album, but no one going to see a concert is going to expect that. And they're real vocals - not taped performances. To me, these recorded backing vocals are just as bad as the canned audience loops on L@LP - fake, not the genuine article. They come off as disingenuous.
Yeah, I think it's awful.
What else is fake? Is JP actually not playing his solos? Is JLB lip synching too? I mean where does it end?
Unbeknownst to us they’ve been miming to Distant Memories the whole tour, and it’s been ready for release since D/T came out :lol
In a sick and twisted way, this would actually be incredibly impressive. :lol
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Did you have a review copy? How'd you get it so early.
Yes, a review copy
Since you have a copy of it, can you tell us what is the extra music included besides Paralyzed? The trailer announces that there will be "over 3 hours of music", and yet I have a bootleg of one of the shows from early in the tour and it clocks in at 2 hours and 26 minutes. Granted it has PMU instead of AWE for the encore, so let's add 2 minutes on for that, and add another 6 minutes (being generous) for Paralyzed. That still just pushes it over the 2.5 hour mark. What else might there be so that it's over 3 hours of music, or is that an exaggeration from whoever did the trailer?
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Did you have a review copy? How'd you get it so early.
Yes, a review copy
Since you have a copy of it, can you tell us what is the extra music included besides Paralyzed? The trailer announces that there will be "over 3 hours of music", and yet I have a bootleg of one of the shows from early in the tour and it clocks in at 2 hours and 26 minutes. Granted it has PMU instead of AWE for the encore, so let's add 2 minutes on for that, and add another 6 minutes (being generous) for Paralyzed. That still just pushes it over the 2.5 hour mark. What else might there be so that it's over 3 hours of music, or is that an exaggeration from whoever did the trailer?
I've had a review copy for quite some time as well. Set list is what we know, so I don't know if anything else is missing but there's nothing more than paralyzed and AWE.
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Did you have a review copy? How'd you get it so early.
Yes, a review copy
Since you have a copy of it, can you tell us what is the extra music included besides Paralyzed? The trailer announces that there will be "over 3 hours of music", and yet I have a bootleg of one of the shows from early in the tour and it clocks in at 2 hours and 26 minutes. Granted it has PMU instead of AWE for the encore, so let's add 2 minutes on for that, and add another 6 minutes (being generous) for Paralyzed. That still just pushes it over the 2.5 hour mark. What else might there be so that it's over 3 hours of music, or is that an exaggeration from whoever did the trailer?
I noticed this as well and just assumed the math worked out, but I think you are right, because there's no intermission, the show is definitely not a full 3 hours even if you include Paralyzed so the 3 hours of music seems off, unless maybe they included music videos?
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Did you have a review copy? How'd you get it so early.
Yes, a review copy
Since you have a copy of it, can you tell us what is the extra music included besides Paralyzed? The trailer announces that there will be "over 3 hours of music", and yet I have a bootleg of one of the shows from early in the tour and it clocks in at 2 hours and 26 minutes. Granted it has PMU instead of AWE for the encore, so let's add 2 minutes on for that, and add another 6 minutes (being generous) for Paralyzed. That still just pushes it over the 2.5 hour mark. What else might there be so that it's over 3 hours of music, or is that an exaggeration from whoever did the trailer?
My promo copy is divided in 2 files one clock at 57.01 minutes and the other one at 1.34.14
Only Paralyzed as a bonus track, no music videos, nada.
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Sooo the trailer is BS? :yeahright
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Sooo the trailer is BS? :yeahright
Unless they have sent promos without all the actual footage, I would say the trailer is BS
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Sooo the trailer is BS? :yeahright
Unless they have sent promos without all the actual footage, I would say the trailer is BS
I bought the artbook, they are one of my favorite bands, but sometimes I really think they are completely out of touch with their fan base and the general public to notice these things.
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In the images published on the Nuclear Blast website (Germany) it has a total duration of (aprox.) 2H 25 M 15 S
Give an enlarged ;) 4th. image https://www.nuclearblast.de/de/produkte/tontraeger/dvd-bluray/earbook/dream-theater-distant-memories-live-in-london-artbook.html (https://www.nuclearblast.de/de/produkte/tontraeger/dvd-bluray/earbook/dream-theater-distant-memories-live-in-london-artbook.html) 6th. image https://www.nuclearblast.de/de/produkte/tontraeger/cd/3cd-digi/dream-theater-distant-memories-live-in-london-2blu-ray.html (https://www.nuclearblast.de/de/produkte/tontraeger/cd/3cd-digi/dream-theater-distant-memories-live-in-london-2blu-ray.html)
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The official trailer is here:
https://twitter.com/dreamtheaternet/status/1328716399976587269?s=20
I find it very weird that they first drop two full song videos and then they release the trailer :lol
Yes, that is totally fucked. No idea who is calling the shots, but WTF??
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I thought it was odd that the trailer barely had any singing in it. The only time you heard JLB was the London greeting and the brief clip of the Untethered Angel chorus. I am sure some would say that is a good thing :lol, but I found it interesting.
Sadly, I am not excited about this release at all and doubt I will buy it. I barely watch most of the concert DVD's/Blu-rays I have now, and I don't need another full performance of Scenes. Sure, it would be cool to get a couple of those D/T songs, but I just know it is a concert I would never watch.
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In the images published on the Nuclear Blast website (Germany) it has a total duration of (aprox.) 2H 25 M 15 S
Give an enlarged ;) 4th. image https://www.nuclearblast.de/de/produkte/tontraeger/dvd-bluray/earbook/dream-theater-distant-memories-live-in-london-artbook.html (https://www.nuclearblast.de/de/produkte/tontraeger/dvd-bluray/earbook/dream-theater-distant-memories-live-in-london-artbook.html) 6th. image https://www.nuclearblast.de/de/produkte/tontraeger/cd/3cd-digi/dream-theater-distant-memories-live-in-london-2blu-ray.html (https://www.nuclearblast.de/de/produkte/tontraeger/cd/3cd-digi/dream-theater-distant-memories-live-in-london-2blu-ray.html)
By my calculations using https://www.nuclearblast.de/de/produkte/tontraeger/cd/3cd-digi/dream-theater-distant-memories-live-in-london-2blu-ray.html it appears there are 2 hours, 29 minutes, 39 seconds of music, not counting the Atlas (Intro) nor the Behind The Scenes (which shouldn't be majoritarily of music anyway).
Well, if you count the CDs, the DVDs and the Blu-Rays it is about 7h30 of music, way over the advertised three hours.
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Sadly, I am not excited about this release at all and doubt I will buy it. I barely watch most of the concert DVD's/Blu-rays I have now, and I don't need another full performance of Scenes. Sure, it would be cool to get a couple of those D/T songs, but I just know it is a concert I would never watch.
Yeah, this is how I feel too.
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Sooo the trailer is BS? :yeahright
Unless they have sent promos without all the actual footage, I would say the trailer is BS
I bought the artbook, they are one of my favorite bands, but sometimes I really think they are completely out of touch with their fan base and the general public to notice these things.
Quality control for that sort of thing is a miss nowadays. People can fault him all they want, but even for something small like this, MP would've never let it happen. He methodically made sure every detail was just right.
That said, one other pet peeve of mine related to this is when the band claims an Evening With show is "<insert number> hours long," but to get that number, they had to include the 15-20 minute intermission and round up the time a bit. Am I the only one who finds this misleading, not unlike the claim made in the trailer? Yes, the show may have begun at 7:30pm and ended at 10:25pm, but that doesn't mean your show was over 3 hours long when you end up taking a 20 minute intermission halfway through. That always irritated me.
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Sadly, I am not excited about this release at all and doubt I will buy it. I barely watch most of the concert DVD's/Blu-rays I have now, and I don't need another full performance of Scenes. Sure, it would be cool to get a couple of those D/T songs, but I just know it is a concert I would never watch.
Yeah, this is how I feel too.
I have pre-ordered it, but it's really only for having a complete live DVD/BR collection from them at this point. I've barely watched their latest ones more than once.
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I’ll listen to it through YoutubeMusic, but it’s the first DT DVD I won’t buy. Mostly looking forward to hearing MM on those songs that they hadn’t previously recorded with him.
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I may get this as I've been enjoying their last 2 (4th Wall, Luna Park) over the past couple weeks. Probably worth it alone just to hear/see Mangini playing Scenes.
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I really hope DT uploads all of these songs to their official YT channel. It's all gonna end up all there anyway, so they better be the firsts in uploading the concert and hopefully gain back some views over unofficial people who upload stuff and get all the views (like those horrible yellow subtitle BTFW videos that always show up on YouTube).
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I really hope DT uploads all of these songs to their official YT channel. It's all gonna end up all there anyway, so they better be the firsts in uploading the concert and hopefully gain back some views over unofficial people who upload stuff and get all the views (like those horrible yellow subtitle BTFW videos that always show up on YouTube).
I wouldn't expect them to do that, I'd bet the music goes up though as that's usually the case for all the bands now a days. They'll hold back the video to try and sell more IMO, even with the pirating. Those pirated videos often end up being shitty quality to avoid the auto copyright protection.
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Sooo the trailer is BS? :yeahright
Unless they have sent promos without all the actual footage, I would say the trailer is BS
I bought the artbook, they are one of my favorite bands, but sometimes I really think they are completely out of touch with their fan base and the general public to notice these things.
Quality control for that sort of thing is a miss nowadays. People can fault him all they want, but even for something small like this, MP would've never let it happen. He methodically made sure every detail was just right
That is why I say, it's all MP, and MP is a MUSIC FAN. MP took it upon himself to do these things, and it's a lot of work to do. Which is why I understand MP's reason for wanting a hiatus, but it wasn't one I agreed with as he could've let others control these aspects. But, as you can see here, he didn't want to, because he is a MUSIC FAN that became a MUSICIAN, and in turn really pays attention and understands what a MUSIC FAN wants. MP is a unique musician. A lot of musicians do not think like MP in terms of product output and fan reaction. He is one whom I can say Truly cares about the fans perspectives and thoughts, and takes it into consideration a lot.
I appreciate MP for all of his efforts, and respect him for it, it's the main reason why I am a fan of MP.
Dream Theater, I am a fan of because of many, many different reasons, that the bad outweighs the good for me, and I can look past that. JLB doesn't have a really popular tone of voice, but it has become the tone of Dream Theater, along with JP and JM. Images and Words was what is was, in due part, because of Kevin Moore, his style and keyboard patches. I consider KM to be very integral to the I&W sound and reason for it being a classic. It is unfortunate to know that KM starting drifting away from where the band wanted to go, musically, and it affected the writing and sound for their next album, which we got with Awake, and many here have posted their opinions on KM's patch choices on the album.
With Jordan Rudess, Dream Theater was then able to incorporate more complex musicality into their music writing and composing. This is when you can hear more Patch transitions, and sounds in Dream Theaters music. JR to this day still is creating new sounds and patches, that he incorporates in the live setting.
Jordan Rudess changing his patches, JP's beautiful tone, JM's excellent bass work (also tone), and now Mangini's technical drumming, along with the lyrics of the songs, is why I go see Dream Theater live, and will always go if I am able to, until the day the curtain calls. I may even buy a ticket to that very last show.
There will never ever be a perfect band for me. Unless, I myself make that band, even at that, it'd have to be like how Devin Townsend did his Crappy Halloween Party, clones of myself. :lol
In other words, I am buying this album, for the live versions of these songs. I actually prefer listening to Live albums, for the energy you can only get with a live show.
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Sadly, I am not excited about this release at all and doubt I will buy it. I barely watch most of the concert DVD's/Blu-rays I have now, and I don't need another full performance of Scenes. Sure, it would be cool to get a couple of those D/T songs, but I just know it is a concert I would never watch.
Yeah, this is how I feel too.
I have pre-ordered it, but it's really only for having a complete live DVD/BR collection from them at this point. I've barely watched their latest ones more than once.
I would've bought the one from The Astonishing tour had they released that, but, yeah... :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Are we really that bothered about something said in the trailer? I’m sure you will be able to see the track listing on the album so will know what you are getting. I can totally understand people wanting to buy it or not wanting to buy it but some guy on a trailer saying it’s 3 hours when it’s only 2.5 is not really going to influence any of us one way or the other.
I am buying it for completists sake but it’s probably the least excited I’ve ever been for a DT album.
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Are we really that bothered about something said in the trailer? I’m sure you will be able to see the track listing on the album so will know what you are getting. I can totally understand people wanting to buy it or not wanting to buy it but some guy on a trailer saying it’s 3 hours when it’s only 2.5 is not really going to influence any of us one way or the other.
I am buying it for completists sake but it’s probably the least excited I’ve ever been for a DT album.
It's more of a cumulation of :facepalm: moments from the band. But in what world do you advertise for something that isn't being delivered? If any other advertisement said one thing and the product was something else, it would be shat upon. I don't think anyone is buying this based on that one line in the trailer so it really probably isn't that big of a deal, but the lack of attention to detail in the public forum is a bit odd and sadly consistent.
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But in what world do you advertise for something that isn't being delivered?
Politics ;)
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But in what world do you advertise for something that isn't being delivered?
Politics ;)
:lol fair enough
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Are we really that bothered about something said in the trailer? I’m sure you will be able to see the track listing on the album so will know what you are getting. I can totally understand people wanting to buy it or not wanting to buy it but some guy on a trailer saying it’s 3 hours when it’s only 2.5 is not really going to influence any of us one way or the other.
I am buying it for completists sake but it’s probably the least excited I’ve ever been for a DT album.
It's more of a cumulation of :facepalm: moments from the band. But in what world do you advertise for something that isn't being delivered? If any other advertisement said one thing and the product was something else, it would be shat upon. I don't think anyone is buying this based on that one line in the trailer so it really probably isn't that big of a deal, but the lack of attention to detail in the public forum is a bit odd and sadly consistent.
Dude, it's marketing. It's exaggerating the fact it's almost 3 hours of content. They round up the number to put emphasis to get people to buy it. It's a stupid marketing strategy. Obviously, no one here is buying it.
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https://www.sonicperspectives.com/album-reviews/dream-theater-distant-memories-live-in-london/ (https://www.sonicperspectives.com/album-reviews/dream-theater-distant-memories-live-in-london/)
Review from Sonic Perspectives.
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Review sounds promising...thanks for sharing!
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Finally got around to watching the Fatal Tragedy video. It actually pushed me toward deciding to get this release. I share all the major complaints that some have about post-Portnoy live performances (click track, piped-in vocals, less improvisation), but when I watched that knowing those are just things I'm going to have to live with, I really enjoyed it.
An important thing to me in live performances is that they present a somewhat different version of the song than the one I'm used to. This one had enough to set it apart from the studio version, in part because Mangini really seems to approach this song pretty differently. I also tend to be more of a Portnoy fan, but his different approach here intrigued me, and I'll be interested to see if we'll get any analyses of what his doing on Scenes as a whole from some of the more devoted Mangini fans here after the full package is released.
Regarding James: I mean, there's no question that he's lost a step compared since 2000. But I think he's generally found an approach that works for him to do a good enough job live. I had no problems with his performance when I saw them on the Astonishing tour, at least. That plus whatever studio wizardry was done in post results in a performance that I don't think detracts from the whole package. I'm more concerned, as others have mentioned before, about how he looks in this video, just from a health perspective.
Side note: It amuses me how you can watch any DT video from any year and four of the band members will look different in terms of apparent age, hairstyle, facial hair, stage antics, obviously identity... but John Myung always stays the same.
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Sadly, I am not excited about this release at all and doubt I will buy it. I barely watch most of the concert DVD's/Blu-rays I have now, and I don't need another full performance of Scenes. Sure, it would be cool to get a couple of those D/T songs, but I just know it is a concert I would never watch.
That's where I am at in my life. But it's not a slight on DT. If this came out when I was single and didn't have any TV service, I'd pre-order it no question. Now my time is tied up in raising my kids and YouTube.
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I cannot find any information on the mixing of this particular release. Does anyone know who the Mixing Engineer was?
Thanks in advance.
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I cannot find any information on the mixing of this particular release. Does anyone know who the Mixing Engineer was?
Thanks in advance.
I'm quite sure it was Jimmy T.
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I cannot find any information on the mixing of this particular release. Does anyone know who the Mixing Engineer was?
Thanks in advance.
I'm quite sure it was Jimmy T.
Yeah, JP mentioned on recent interviews.
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I cannot find any information on the mixing of this particular release. Does anyone know who the Mixing Engineer was?
Thanks in advance.
Hope this helps:
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It does.
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Additional audio editing by John Arbuckle?
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Additional audio editing by John Arbuckle?
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:lol :lol :lol
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That's awesome! But didn't he spell it Jon?
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That's awesome! But didn't he spell it Jon?
Yes but for the love of God turn your smart side of your brain off dammit! :lol
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That's awesome! But didn't he spell it Jon?
Yes but for the love of God turn your smart side of your brain off dammit! :lol
Cool&Smart Chris
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I was never in to comics. It was just not my thing. But I loved Garfield. Looking back, I have no idea why.
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Sadly, I am not excited about this release at all and doubt I will buy it. I barely watch most of the concert DVD's/Blu-rays I have now, and I don't need another full performance of Scenes. Sure, it would be cool to get a couple of those D/T songs, but I just know it is a concert I would never watch.
Yeah, this is how I feel too.
I have pre-ordered it, but it's really only for having a complete live DVD/BR collection from them at this point. I've barely watched their latest ones more than once.
I would've bought the one from The Astonishing tour had they released that, but, yeah... :facepalm: :facepalm:
The Astonishing has always been the glaring omission for me. You put all of that work into a concept like that and don't commemorate it with a live album?
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Had the album been embraced by the fanbase, they would have easily done it. However, it was very polarizing. Why put the money into recording a live version of an album that a lot of fans didn't care for?
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Had the album been embraced by the fanbase, they would have easily done it. However, it was very polarizing. Why put the money into recording a live version of an album that a lot of fans didn't care for?
If you believe in something that strongly, you have the conviction to see it through and not cave to fan pressure. They were all in until about midway through that tour and then they caved and fell back on Images and Words 25. Not to make this about Portnoy because he absolutely has nothing to do with it, but he would have fought for it. It was even better live musically.
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Had the album been embraced by the fanbase, they would have easily done it. However, it was very polarizing. Why put the money into recording a live version of an album that a lot of fans didn't care for?
If you believe in something that strongly, you have the conviction to see it through and not cave to fan pressure. They were all in until about midway through that tour and then they caved and fell back on Images and Words 25. Not to make this about Portnoy because he absolutely has nothing to do with it, but he would have fought for it. It was even better live musically.
But there are times when it is necessary to admit defeat.
They tried. They did the record, the tour, many fans hated it.
I think it is unfair to blame them for not insisting anymore.
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It may not have even been the bands decision but maybe there was no record label that wanted to put out such a live release when no one was going to the shows on that second leg of the tour. I would have bought it and probably loved it but I understand that the album was not well received by many.
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At least they played it live, I remember Judas Priest's Nostradamus was announced as an album that would have been played live in its entirety, and for the entire tour they played a whopping TWO songs from a double disc album :lol
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At least they played it live, I remember Judas Priest's Nostradamus was announced as an album that would have been played live in its entirety, and for the entire tour they played a whopping TWO songs from a double disc album :lol
You must be mistaken - you think you read that they were playing 2 CDs, but they said they were playing 2 songs! :biggrin:
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Had the album been embraced by the fanbase, they would have easily done it. However, it was very polarizing. Why put the money into recording a live version of an album that a lot of fans didn't care for?
If you believe in something that strongly, you have the conviction to see it through and not cave to fan pressure. They were all in until about midway through that tour and then they caved and fell back on Images and Words 25. Not to make this about Portnoy because he absolutely has nothing to do with it, but he would have fought for it. It was even better live musically.
Totally agree. By "caving in" for lack of a better term, as you said, they let the critics win, and the many fans who love the album, and there are many us, lost. I would be lying if I said that didn't dent my faith in the band and their decision-making. After being tired of the band for much of the late 00's, since it felt like the Portnoy and Friends show from a PR and public image standpoint, they had won me back over as a diehard fan for much of the 10's, but while they will likely always be one of my two or three favorite bands ever, my fandom doesn't have the same joy it did four or five years ago. And hey, that is me problem, not their problem, but I am just saying.
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Even I wish they had done an official live release of The Astonishing, and I only like about 30% of that album. It just seems like a big gap in their current output for it not to exist. But I guess we've all just become spoiled with getting a live release with each studio album. Granted, the time between studio albums these days is much longer..
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Even I wish they had done an official live release of The Astonishing, and I only like about 30% of that album. It just seems like a big gap in their current output for it not to exist. But I guess we've all just become spoiled with getting a live release with each studio album. Granted, the time between studio albums these days is much longer..
Yes. MP spoiled us DT music fans with all these goodies and extras, he did it because he's a music fan and wanted these things when he was a young fan.
Also, it has to do with business. JP and the band may have wanted to do a live album. But the label, or their Management, didn't see it worthy of release and wouldn't really put out a profit. That's why going to shows are important for us fans to attend. You may not realize it, but Live shows are integral to the survival of a band.
It's why whomever was their booking agent at that time, screwed up majorly by placing the 2nd leg, in places where they have played before, or extremely close, so those that didn't get to see it are still too far away to attend, and those that did that didn't enjoy it, won't bother going again, so that leads to lesser crowds at the shows.
And with the I&W&B tour, you had Venues and Promoters calling Dream Theaters Booking, they wanted this tour. It's the only reason why Dream Theater was able to play here in New Mexico. And the band came to check out the venue, or at least Jordan Rudess did as is evidenced in one of his tweets, because he posted a picture on the freeway, by a native casino, and I know exactly where he took that picture. And one of the people I know said They were here too, but JLB had a cold was being an ass because of it, but I understood why. Doesn't help if the "Runner" is an ass, and makes that requestee seem like an ass and demanding.
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Yeah, it's understandable that we didn't get an Astonishing release for business purposes (which really rings to my ears why they've been so strongly supporting their classic albums these past few years), but it did seem like a missed mark in the creative sense of the word. Not because it was the fandom's favorite album (which it clearly was not) but because they invested so much money in their stage design and the overall concept of the concert; and for that it really seemed much more fitting to document than Scenes From a Memory all over again (not shitting over Distant Memories, which I'm eagerly expecting), but it's obvious you can keep milking more money from SFAM or Images than what you could with The Astonishing.
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Even I wish they had done an official live release of The Astonishing, and I only like about 30% of that album. It just seems like a big gap in their current output for it not to exist. But I guess we've all just become spoiled with getting a live release with each studio album. Granted, the time between studio albums these days is much longer..
Yes. MP spoiled us DT music fans with all these goodies and extras, he did it because he's a music fan and wanted these things when he was a young fan.
Also, it has to do with business. JP and the band may have wanted to do a live album. But the label, or their Management, didn't see it worthy of release and wouldn't really put out a profit. That's why going to shows are important for us fans to attend. You may not realize it, but Live shows are integral to the survival of a band.
It's why whomever was their booking agent at that time, screwed up majorly by placing the 2nd leg, in places where they have played before, or extremely close, so those that didn't get to see it are still too far away to attend, and those that did that didn't enjoy it, won't bother going again, so that leads to lesser crowds at the shows.
And with the I&W&B tour, you had Venues and Promoters calling Dream Theaters Booking, they wanted this tour. It's the only reason why Dream Theater was able to play here in New Mexico. And the band came to check out the venue, or at least Jordan Rudess did as is evidenced in one of his tweets, because he posted a picture on the freeway, by a native casino, and I know exactly where he took that picture. And one of the people I know said They were here too, but JLB had a cold was being an ass because of it, but I understood why. Doesn't help if the "Runner" is an ass, and makes that requestee seem like an ass and demanding.
Unfortunately for myself it seems that circumstances are never right whenever they come to Dallas (where I live). I'm either financially compromised, or even if I have the disposable income, something else always seems to get in the way. Last time (in early 2019?) they played during or around the same month Voivod was here. I was out of work and strapped for cash. That Voivod's tickets were $25 certainly factored into the decision! (All this is IIRC - memory cheating not-withstanding)
Last time I saw a proper DT show was in 2000 on the Scenes tour. They played the (now defunct) Bronco Bowl. It's been awhile and I'm starting to think I'll never get a chance to see these guys live again. I'd like to at least catch one show with Mangini. I missed a lot when they opened for Maiden :-[ Got to the venue late and caught the ass end of their set. (last riff of Constant Motion, Panic Attack, Pull Me Under I think? (it was such a cruel tease :lol ))
I think that's why I really enjoy these concert releases. Will probably get this new one to plug the hole of not being able to catch this tour in person!
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I mean, food for thought, but DT is one of the few bands even putting out live DVDs these days. Most bands, when asked about that, say that their labels tell them DVDs always lose money and that's the end of conversation. The fact that DT is skipping their usual practice of putting one out after about every tour isn't all that surprising. It's sad that TA is the tour that took a hit, given that it would have been different from their other live DVDs - I doubt there will be anything on Distant Memories that improves upon B4TW. But seeing how the interest just wasn't there for the tour, maybe they would have lost money on it.
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I mean, food for thought, but DT is one of the few bands even putting out live DVDs these days. Most bands, when asked about that, say that their labels tell them DVDs always lose money and that's the end of conversation. The fact that DT is skipping their usual practice of putting one out after about every tour isn't all that surprising. It's sad that TA is the tour that took a hit, given that it would have been different from their other live DVDs - I doubt there will be anything on Distant Memories that improves upon B4TW. But seeing how the interest just wasn't there for the tour, maybe they would have lost money on it.
What I find particularly curious is why we have never seen an official release of that Japanese show that was filmed during the 2017 tour. All the heavy lifting was already done, so it's strange that this hasn't seen release (yet) despite the fact that there are plenty of fans who have expressed interest in getting an officially released copy of it - probably more fans interested than in a TA live release. Even the band has expressed interest in releasing it, so I wonder why it still hasn't happened. Is it because JL's performance was not good enough and it would be too challenging to re-record the necessary parts and sync them up with the video? Or because bootleg copies are out there, they are concerned about fans doing A-B comparisons after additional pos-production work is done so they are happy with the result? Or is it something else?
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I mean, food for thought, but DT is one of the few bands even putting out live DVDs these days. Most bands, when asked about that, say that their labels tell them DVDs always lose money and that's the end of conversation. The fact that DT is skipping their usual practice of putting one out after about every tour isn't all that surprising. It's sad that TA is the tour that took a hit, given that it would have been different from their other live DVDs - I doubt there will be anything on Distant Memories that improves upon B4TW. But seeing how the interest just wasn't there for the tour, maybe they would have lost money on it.
What I find particularly curious is why we have never seen an official release of that Japanese show that was filmed during the 2017 tour. All the heavy lifting was already done, so it's strange that this hasn't seen release (yet) despite the fact that there are plenty of fans who have expressed interest in getting an officially released copy of it - probably more fans interested than in a TA live release. Even the band has expressed interest in releasing it, so I wonder why it still hasn't happened. Is it because JL's performance was not good enough and it would be too challenging to re-record the necessary parts and sync them up with the video? Or because bootleg copies are out there, they are concerned about fans doing A-B comparisons after additional pos-production work is done so they are happy with the result? Or is it something else?
Sometimes I wonder if bands hold back some of these to keep for future products to sell. Like maybe on the 30th anniversary of I&W they release it as some sort of special product with a new edition of the album. Just a guess, could be a bunch of reasons.
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I mean, food for thought, but DT is one of the few bands even putting out live DVDs these days. Most bands, when asked about that, say that their labels tell them DVDs always lose money and that's the end of conversation. The fact that DT is skipping their usual practice of putting one out after about every tour isn't all that surprising. It's sad that TA is the tour that took a hit, given that it would have been different from their other live DVDs - I doubt there will be anything on Distant Memories that improves upon B4TW. But seeing how the interest just wasn't there for the tour, maybe they would have lost money on it.
What I find particularly curious is why we have never seen an official release of that Japanese show that was filmed during the 2017 tour. All the heavy lifting was already done, so it's strange that this hasn't seen release (yet) despite the fact that there are plenty of fans who have expressed interest in getting an officially released copy of it - probably more fans interested than in a TA live release. Even the band has expressed interest in releasing it, so I wonder why it still hasn't happened. Is it because JL's performance was not good enough and it would be too challenging to re-record the necessary parts and sync them up with the video? Or because bootleg copies are out there, they are concerned about fans doing A-B comparisons after additional pos-production work is done so they are happy with the result? Or is it something else?
I can understand this one, because they also went to the lengths to get the bootlegs deleted from Youtube. Maybe, it's the label as well, that decided that. OR Management, and they decided, why not. I don't know...
As Cram said, this one could be for a lot of reasons.
Although, I do hope that one day, we will see a Rock Opera musical of The Astonishing, in the same style of Ayreon, at least. I could see JLB playing either Arhys and The Narrator, or at least the Narrator and Daryus, with other Singers being the other cast. If I had the money, I definitely would fund this myself.
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It was filmed for Japanese TV so perhaps that network has the rights to it. I've seen the show a couple times and it is quite good. I liked the filming and sound, and it kind of has a darker raw energy to it reminiscent of Iron Maidens Death On the Road DVD from the Dance Of Death Tour.
Labrie wasn't bad at all, withe exception of a couple of rough spots and the band was having fun.
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And now...
We have to wait till 12/18.
Things shutting down has caused delays in every step of the release process.
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And now...
We have to wait till 12/18.
Things shutting down has caused delays in every step of the release process.
Really? :-[ Where did you see that?
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Yes ! 12/18 ! Just got an email from century media ... ugh !
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Dear 2020. You've failed, you're dismissed. Bye!
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I just received that message too (but I wonder if it's only for the artbook this delay):
"Thank you for ordering Dream Theater - Distant Memories - Live in London Ltd. Deluxe 3CD+2Blu-Ray+2DVD Artbook from the Century Media Official Store. Due to delays at every step of the release process, caused by the current global pandemic, including printing, packing, shipping, importing, and more, the release date for Dream Theater - Distant Memories - Live in London Ltd. Deluxe 3CD+2Blu-Ray+2DVD Artbook has been forced to move from 11/27 to 12/18. We expect to receive stock by 12/11. Your order will ship on or around that date, and you will receive an email confirmation when it ships.
We apologize for any inconvenience, and thank you for your patience.
Regards,
The Century Media Family"
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Yeah, it glanced past that part, it looks like the Artbook. So, I don't expect it till Christmas.
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Ugh whats annoying too is they don't seem to want to just send me my devin Townsend live album separately so now I'm double punished
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Ugh whats annoying too is they don't seem to want to just send me my devin Townsend live album separately so now I'm double punished
Really. I ordered that too, but didn't check to see. I bet a lot of bands on Century Media, are facing these delays.
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At least this delay *sort of* makes sense unlike The Astonishing debacle.
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At least this delay *sort of* makes sense unlike The Astonishing debacle.
You mean the 3D printed NOMAC wasn't the cause of the delay...
That company that printed the 3D NOMAC probably had setbacks themselves, with the machines, the plastic, or even the designs not coming out right. 3D printing isn't that easy to do, especially with the intricate design the NOMAC actually became. It's really pretty, and really finely detailed.
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Had the album been embraced by the fanbase, they would have easily done it. However, it was very polarizing. Why put the money into recording a live version of an album that a lot of fans didn't care for?
If you believe in something that strongly, you have the conviction to see it through and not cave to fan pressure. They were all in until about midway through that tour and then they caved and fell back on Images and Words 25. Not to make this about Portnoy because he absolutely has nothing to do with it, but he would have fought for it. It was even better live musically.
Totally agree. By "caving in" for lack of a better term, as you said, they let the critics win, and the many fans who love the album, and there are many us, lost. I would be lying if I said that didn't dent my faith in the band and their decision-making. After being tired of the band for much of the late 00's, since it felt like the Portnoy and Friends show from a PR and public image standpoint, they had won me back over as a diehard fan for much of the 10's, but while they will likely always be one of my two or three favorite bands ever, my fandom doesn't have the same joy it did four or five years ago. And hey, that is me problem, not their problem, but I am just saying.
I get what you guys are saying. But just to add a bit to the discussion, it wasn't just about "caving" because the album didn't do as well as expected. There's more to it than that. They were planning on recording the show. But keep in mind DT's practice of typically recording shows toward the very end of their tours (which a lot of bands do). If I am correctly remembering what JP told me at the time (and filling in some other information from other sources), I believe the issue was this: They had a date and venue chosen (and, yes, I know which one), but as I recall, that date got either canceled or postponed. That created some complications for recording a show for the TA tour. For one thing, the stage production for that show was all leased to the band by a third party company--it was not owned by DT. So with the official TA tour wrapping up, their lease on that equipment was expiring. Also, they were starting the tour for I&WAB. So in order to record the show at that point, they would have had to schedule another one-off show during or after the I&WAB tour, as well as having to go back and rent the entire stage setup again. It was just a lot of extra little headaches beyond simply hiring a filming crew to document the tour. And the decision was, as I understand it, along the lines of: Given that the demand for live DVDs is already pretty low, and the demand for this one in particular doesn't seem to be high, it isn't worth it to plan a one-off date later, re-rehearse/learn the set, get the stage production in place again now that it is gone, and do this. It may feel to us as fans that, subjectively, those are small obstacles to overcome. But we aren't standing in the band's shoes. If they don't perceive that there is a demand for something that requires extra cost and effort that go beyond what it normally takes to produce something like this, I can see why they wouldn't feel it was justified. I think it's cool that they were at least still strongly considering booking a one-off to do it in the first place, even if they ultimately decided against it. I wish it would have happened. I know JP wanted to do it. But I get why, collectively, they decided that the extra hurdles and lower demand didn't justify it as a business decision.
As to the current release, I am looking forward to it. I get some of the comments about not being overly excited about it. On some levels, I am in the same boat. Back when set lists changed, it was really cool to get a release that was different than what most of us would have seen at our particular show. But that said, I still really look forward to getting to re-live the tour, even if the video presentation is very similar to what I saw. I may not listen to it as often as if it was completely different (like I did with LAB or Score, for example--I listened to those a TON). But I still enjoy getting to revisit my memories of that great live show.
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Well.....I ordered the artbook edition and got the delayed email as well. However..After my bestie all of a sudden became a fan, I have been sending her all manner of
DT stuff and ordered it for her as well. As it was late in the game, it wasn't available at Century, but I found it at Napalm....Just got an email that it has shipped!
Yay! for her. :tdwn for me.
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Had the album been embraced by the fanbase, they would have easily done it. However, it was very polarizing. Why put the money into recording a live version of an album that a lot of fans didn't care for?
If you believe in something that strongly, you have the conviction to see it through and not cave to fan pressure. They were all in until about midway through that tour and then they caved and fell back on Images and Words 25. Not to make this about Portnoy because he absolutely has nothing to do with it, but he would have fought for it. It was even better live musically.
Totally agree. By "caving in" for lack of a better term, as you said, they let the critics win, and the many fans who love the album, and there are many us, lost. I would be lying if I said that didn't dent my faith in the band and their decision-making. After being tired of the band for much of the late 00's, since it felt like the Portnoy and Friends show from a PR and public image standpoint, they had won me back over as a diehard fan for much of the 10's, but while they will likely always be one of my two or three favorite bands ever, my fandom doesn't have the same joy it did four or five years ago. And hey, that is me problem, not their problem, but I am just saying.
I get what you guys are saying. But just to add a bit to the discussion, it wasn't just about "caving" because the album didn't do as well as expected. There's more to it than that. They were planning on recording the show. But keep in mind DT's practice of typically recording shows toward the very end of their tours (which a lot of bands do). If I am correctly remembering what JP told me at the time (and filling in some other information from other sources), I believe the issue was this: They had a date and venue chosen (and, yes, I know which one), but as I recall, that date got either canceled or postponed. That created some complications for recording a show for the TA tour. For one thing, the stage production for that show was all leased to the band by a third party company--it was not owned by DT. So with the official TA tour wrapping up, their lease on that equipment was expiring. Also, they were starting the tour for I&WAB. So in order to record the show at that point, they would have had to schedule another one-off show during or after the I&WAB tour, as well as having to go back and rent the entire stage setup again. It was just a lot of extra little headaches beyond simply hiring a filming crew to document the tour. And the decision was, as I understand it, along the lines of: Given that the demand for live DVDs is already pretty low, and the demand for this one in particular doesn't seem to be high, it isn't worth it to plan a one-off date later, re-rehearse/learn the set, get the stage production in place again now that it is gone, and do this. It may feel to us as fans that, subjectively, those are small obstacles to overcome. But we aren't standing in the band's shoes. If they don't perceive that there is a demand for something that requires extra cost and effort that go beyond what it normally takes to produce something like this, I can see why they wouldn't feel it was justified. I think it's cool that they were at least still strongly considering booking a one-off to do it in the first place, even if they ultimately decided against it. I wish it would have happened. I know JP wanted to do it. But I get why, collectively, they decided that the extra hurdles and lower demand didn't justify it as a business decision.
That's really understandable, and thanks for that insightful information.
It's these aspects of the music business, I wish fans could understand a bit more. I totally didn't snap about the bands leasing out equipment. Those LED screens were pretty amazing, and were probably expensive too.
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Interesting, so the release of the CD/Blu-ray isn’t delayed, simply some of the bundles? I wish they could send a digital copy in the meantime
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I wonder if the vinyl set is delayed, I haven't gotten any emails about it.
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Thanks for that information, bosk. :tup
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Just got my shipping confirmation for the CD/bluray from LaserCD.
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I definitely recall Bosk talking about that awhile ago during the TA tour. If I recall, hints were maybe the Sydney Opera House for the filming? I'm not sure I'll get an acknowledgement regardless, but it just goes to show there's a lot of different angles as to why or why not a show gets a video release. I would have loved it personally, but I do understand why things ended up being the way they were.
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Good info, bosk1. I was unaware of some of that.
But that leads to this question: why was the planned date cancelled or postponed?
And honestly, I think the "DVD's don't sell well anymore" line the band has used is a somewhat of a cop-out. I recall the band used it when asked why there was no TA tour DVD, but here we are a tour later and they are releasing a new one. They have now released one from every tour featuring a new album with Mangini, except for the one from The Astonishing. I guess we'll see how much they really believe in the album when we see how much of it is gets played in the future.
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I think a lot of bands use the DVDs don't sell anymore excuse yet we haven't really seen much of a stop with regards to bands releasing them, DT being one of them
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I think a lot of bands use the DVDs don't sell anymore excuse yet we haven't really seen much of a stop with regards to bands releasing them, DT being one of them
Well, when you look at past released that have a limited run of several thousand or 10,000 or whatever it was and this new one, at least the CD/bluray artbook had a limited run of 200, I would say that yeah, they dont sell as well any more.
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I have seen a stop. The only bands I can think of that put out DVDs at DT's pace are Katatonia, Devin, Nightwish and some of MP's projects.
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I guess we'll see how much they really believe in the album when we see how much of it is gets played in the future.
I'm guessing they'll probably pick out a few of the better, more interesting tracks from that album and do some kind of medley like they've done before with other albums, but I'd be surprised if they devote more than 15 minutes of show time to it. I am a huge fan of this group and sitting here right now the only two track names I can remember from TA are "Dystopian" something and "Descent of the Nomacs" or something like that. I admit that I've never made it more than about 5 tracks into it without switching it off. Something tells me I'm not alone in this.
TA is Dream Theater's "Love Beach" :rollin
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The DVDs do not sell well anymore, but part of that (for me) is because there's really nothing worth buying. I don't want/need to see these guys play the songs exactly the same as they are played in the studio, with the sound quality being less full and the vocals being worse. Combine that with material that I think is the worst the band have ever done (The Astonishing), and that DVD would have been a hard-pass for me.
So what would I buy? Short of the performances surpassing their studio counterparts in some way, maybe I would be more interested if the performances were looser, included jams/extended parts, or were reworked live so that it was like listening to something new...
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The musical aspect aside, the real sad side of DT not releasing a live DVD from TA tour is that it was just the most beautiful show presentation that the band ever did and probably never will.
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I think a lot of bands use the DVDs don't sell anymore excuse yet we haven't really seen much of a stop with regards to bands releasing them, DT being one of them
Well, when you look at past released that have a limited run of several thousand or 10,000 or whatever it was and this new one, at least the CD/bluray artbook had a limited run of 200, I would say that yeah, they dont sell as well any more.
Sell and sell well are different. I think you have a valid point that they don't fly off shelves like they once did, but I do still see a good amount of releases...
Let's see, here's all the live blurays/DVDs released this year I purchased:
Eclipse - Viva LaVicTOURia
Redemption - Alive in Color
Def Leppard - London to Vegas
Metallica - S&M2
Kamelot - I Am the Empire
and I'm still waiting on these orders:
Dream Theater - Distant Memories
Blind Guardian - Imaginations from the Otherside 25th Anniversary
Devin Townsend - Order of Magnitude
so it's a mix of big, medium, and small bands still making video releases. Also, Alestorm released a full concert on youtube and on social media seem to be toying with making it an official release on physical media.
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I guess we'll see how much they really believe in the album when we see how much of it is gets played in the future.
I'm guessing they'll probably pick out a few of the better, more interesting tracks from that album and do some kind of medley like they've done before with other albums, but I'd be surprised if they devote more than 15 minutes of show time to it. I am a huge fan of this group and sitting here right now the only two track names I can remember from TA are "Dystopian" something and "Descent of the Nomacs" or something like that. I admit that I've never made it more than about 5 tracks into it without switching it off. Something tells me I'm not alone in this.
TA is Dream Theater's "Love Beach" :rollin
I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum. I think TA is one of the high points in DT's career musically and creatively. I even put it above Scenes by a mile.
I really delved into both albums after they came out and know every note and nuance by heart. TA was just such a huge undertaking and I respect the heck out DT for accomplishing a masterwork like that.
If they play some songs from TA live in the future, I would like to hear Ravenskill, Chosen, and Moment Of Betrayal.
There's a lot of other great ones to choose from. :coolio
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The DVDs do not sell well anymore, but part of that (for me) is because there's really nothing worth buying. I don't want/need to see these guys play the songs exactly the same as they are played in the studio, with the sound quality being less full and the vocals being worse. Combine that with material that I think is the worst the band have ever done (The Astonishing), and that DVD would have been a hard-pass for me.
So what would I buy? Short of the performances surpassing their studio counterparts in some way, maybe I would be more interested if the performances were looser, included jams/extended parts, or were reworked live so that it was like listening to something new...
Their Tone changes live. It may be played at exact studio tempo speed, but it's still not the studio recording. The bands that use a lot of Backing Tracks are more studio than DT live. Periphery, Animals As Leaders, Devin Townsend (he's the one that relies the most on backing tracks, and look at how fantastic Order of Magnitude sounds without them) are great examples, they basically play and rely upon the click. Dream Theater, I doubt relies on the click as much, only for the backing vocals being on time, but the others have full on Bass/String/Keyboard tracks for the entire song.
Their stuff is compositionally complicated enough to play as it is, so them doing it perfectly as on the album, is a treat in my eyes. JLB withstanding, as the vocals in Dream Theater songs, are not as easy to sing, every night for about 3 hours. Also, the "tone" of Dream Theater, JP sees JLB as being an essential part of. MP didn't and wanted a different singer or a different lead tone for Dream Theater.
But you are free to enjoy live music that way, I just find it an odd way to look at a live show. Reminds me of The Simpsons... :lol
Lisa Simpson: "You have to listen to the notes she's not playing."
Snooty Man: "Pff. I can do that at home."
(https://youtu.be/BbeilmP2wY8)
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I guess we'll see how much they really believe in the album when we see how much of it is gets played in the future.
I'm guessing they'll probably pick out a few of the better, more interesting tracks from that album and do some kind of medley like they've done before with other albums, but I'd be surprised if they devote more than 15 minutes of show time to it. I am a huge fan of this group and sitting here right now the only two track names I can remember from TA are "Dystopian" something and "Descent of the Nomacs" or something like that. I admit that I've never made it more than about 5 tracks into it without switching it off. Something tells me I'm not alone in this.
TA is Dream Theater's "Love Beach" :rollin
I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum. I think TA is one of the high points in DT's career musically and creatively. I even put it above Scenes by a mile.
I really delved into both albums after they came out and know every note and nuance by heart. TA was just such a huge undertaking and I respect the heck out DT for accomplishing a masterwork like that.
If they play some songs from TA live in the future, I would like to hear Ravenskill, Chosen, and Moment Of Betrayal.
There's a lot of other great ones to choose from. :coolio
I wouldn't mind those at all...Throw in Losing Faythe, and Begin Again. But I doubt they'll play songs that are integral to the plot, don't want any spoilers. :biggrin:
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The DVDs do not sell well anymore, but part of that (for me) is because there's really nothing worth buying. I don't want/need to see these guys play the songs exactly the same as they are played in the studio, with the sound quality being less full and the vocals being worse. Combine that with material that I think is the worst the band have ever done (The Astonishing), and that DVD would have been a hard-pass for me.
So what would I buy? Short of the performances surpassing their studio counterparts in some way, maybe I would be more interested if the performances were looser, included jams/extended parts, or were reworked live so that it was like listening to something new...
Their Tone changes live. It may be played at exact studio tempo speed, but it's still not the studio recording. The bands that use a lot of Backing Tracks are more studio than DT live. Periphery, Animals As Leaders, Devin Townsend (he's the one that relies the most on backing tracks, and look at how fantastic Order of Magnitude sounds without them) are great examples, they basically play and rely upon the click. Dream Theater, I doubt relies on the click as much, only for the backing vocals being on time, but the others have full on Bass/String/Keyboard tracks for the entire song.
Their stuff is compositionally complicated enough to play as it is, so them doing it perfectly as on the album, is a treat in my eyes. JLB withstanding, as the vocals in Dream Theater songs, are not as easy to sing, every night for about 3 hours. Also, the "tone" of Dream Theater, JP sees JLB as being an essential part of. MP didn't and wanted a different singer or a different lead tone for Dream Theater.
But you are free to enjoy live music that way, I just find it an odd way to look at a live show. Reminds me of The Simpsons... :lol
Lisa Simpson: "You have to listen to the notes she's not playing."
Snooty Man: "Pff. I can do that at home."
(https://youtu.be/BbeilmP2wY8)
But you're forgetting the point. That might all be fine and well when seeing the band live, but that's not what Skeever is talking about. He's speaking about what would motivate him to purchase a live TA release. And doing it the way DT did it is not the answer for him. To be honest, I'm of a very similar mindset. Especially when it comes to live releases, I don't want them performing the song exactly the same way as on the album, because then it is just an inferior version of what I already have in my library. Give me something new and or different.
I feel the same way about how DT did SFaM on this last tour - very little of it strayed from the album version, whereas at least with LSFNY, there were enough variations to make it exciting and different enough for it to stand on its own. I'll be getting DM, but it will be for the first set and encore and for completist reasons, more than for the second set. While it's nice that they have the visuals telling the story, for a live release, that doesn't matter much to me since I'm really not a video guy. I can't sit for 2.5 hours (in this case, it's not 3!) to watch a concert - but for a good concert I'm happy to listen to it while I'm doing other things. The same would be true had DT done a live TA release. Visuals may have been great (and quite frankly, even some of them were on the cheesy side) but that means little to me when picking up the live release.
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The DVDs do not sell well anymore, but part of that (for me) is because there's really nothing worth buying. I don't want/need to see these guys play the songs exactly the same as they are played in the studio, with the sound quality being less full and the vocals being worse. Combine that with material that I think is the worst the band have ever done (The Astonishing), and that DVD would have been a hard-pass for me.
So what would I buy? Short of the performances surpassing their studio counterparts in some way, maybe I would be more interested if the performances were looser, included jams/extended parts, or were reworked live so that it was like listening to something new...
Their Tone changes live. It may be played at exact studio tempo speed, but it's still not the studio recording. The bands that use a lot of Backing Tracks are more studio than DT live. Periphery, Animals As Leaders, Devin Townsend (he's the one that relies the most on backing tracks, and look at how fantastic Order of Magnitude sounds without them) are great examples, they basically play and rely upon the click. Dream Theater, I doubt relies on the click as much, only for the backing vocals being on time, but the others have full on Bass/String/Keyboard tracks for the entire song.
Their stuff is compositionally complicated enough to play as it is, so them doing it perfectly as on the album, is a treat in my eyes. JLB withstanding, as the vocals in Dream Theater songs, are not as easy to sing, every night for about 3 hours. Also, the "tone" of Dream Theater, JP sees JLB as being an essential part of. MP didn't and wanted a different singer or a different lead tone for Dream Theater.
But you are free to enjoy live music that way, I just find it an odd way to look at a live show. Reminds me of The Simpsons... :lol
Lisa Simpson: "You have to listen to the notes she's not playing."
Snooty Man: "Pff. I can do that at home."
(https://youtu.be/BbeilmP2wY8)
But you're forgetting the point. That might all be fine and well when seeing the band live, but that's not what Skeever is talking about. He's speaking about what would motivate him to purchase a live TA release. And doing it the way DT did it is not the answer for him. To be honest, I'm of a very similar mindset. Especially when it comes to live releases, I don't want them performing the song exactly the same way as on the album, because then it is just an inferior version of what I already have in my library. Give me something new and or different.
I feel the same way about how DT did SFaM on this last tour - very little of it strayed from the album version, whereas at least with LSFNY, there were enough variations to make it exciting and different enough for it to stand on its own. I'll be getting DM, but it will be for the first set and encore and for completist reasons, more than for the second set. While it's nice that they have the visuals telling the story, for a live release, that doesn't matter much to me since I'm really not a video guy. I can't sit for 2.5 hours (in this case, it's not 3!) to watch a concert - but for a good concert I'm happy to listen to it while I'm doing other things. The same would be true had DT done a live TA release. Visuals may have been great (and quite frankly, even some of them were on the cheesy side) but that means little to me when picking up the live release.
Cool.
For me, there is a certain energy and atmosphere that is created when a band plays live. It's why I can't grasp the reasoning of "played exactly like the album" because, to me, when bands play live (any form of music played live, actually) it is never like the album. It's why I go see a band live, and why I prefer seeing a band live, if anything. I go to see Dream Theater, because I want to see Dream Theater live, that is all I go for.
I enjoy listening to live albums, and prefer listening to those versions. Live Scenes was neat, because MP decided to incorporate some of the demo sections that were cut from the final release, and added the extended to Through Her Eyes so he could play drums. :biggrin: Also, the Live Rehearsal Metropolis pt.2 Demo ending to the end of Finally Free, a.k.a. Metropolis 2000 Overture.
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The DVDs do not sell well anymore, but part of that (for me) is because there's really nothing worth buying. I don't want/need to see these guys play the songs exactly the same as they are played in the studio, with the sound quality being less full and the vocals being worse. Combine that with material that I think is the worst the band have ever done (The Astonishing), and that DVD would have been a hard-pass for me.
So what would I buy? Short of the performances surpassing their studio counterparts in some way, maybe I would be more interested if the performances were looser, included jams/extended parts, or were reworked live so that it was like listening to something new...
Their Tone changes live. It may be played at exact studio tempo speed, but it's still not the studio recording. The bands that use a lot of Backing Tracks are more studio than DT live. Periphery, Animals As Leaders, Devin Townsend (he's the one that relies the most on backing tracks, and look at how fantastic Order of Magnitude sounds without them) are great examples, they basically play and rely upon the click. Dream Theater, I doubt relies on the click as much, only for the backing vocals being on time, but the others have full on Bass/String/Keyboard tracks for the entire song.
Their stuff is compositionally complicated enough to play as it is, so them doing it perfectly as on the album, is a treat in my eyes. JLB withstanding, as the vocals in Dream Theater songs, are not as easy to sing, every night for about 3 hours. Also, the "tone" of Dream Theater, JP sees JLB as being an essential part of. MP didn't and wanted a different singer or a different lead tone for Dream Theater.
But you are free to enjoy live music that way, I just find it an odd way to look at a live show. Reminds me of The Simpsons... :lol
Lisa Simpson: "You have to listen to the notes she's not playing."
Snooty Man: "Pff. I can do that at home."
(https://youtu.be/BbeilmP2wY8)
I have seen all the bands you mentioned live, and am wholly uninterested in doing so again, because I felt like I was just listening to their albums very loud. Devin is kind of the exception, because there's so much zaniness and personality to his music that comes through live, and his banter is hilarious. The others, not so much.
The big pull DT have for me these days is the musicianship, but I've heard these songs and know them note by note almost (well, at least the ones on Scenes). The shows are much more scripted since MP left, to the extent that there are so few surprises anymore. I'm thinking about the extended jam in To Live Forever on Live in Tokyo. The versions of Beyond this Life and Hollow Years on Budokan. The Sugar Mice interlude in the extended version of Surrounded on Chaos in Motion. I love all of this stuff. I saw DT every tour for several years in a row, and bad timing caused me to miss them on the Dramatic Tour. And I haven't seen them again since. And given my preferences for a good live show, looking at the setlists and the DVDs they've put out since, it's hard to see what I've really missed.
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The artbook and vinyl have just arrived here. Didn't think it released for a couple more days.
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The DVDs do not sell well anymore, but part of that (for me) is because there's really nothing worth buying. I don't want/need to see these guys play the songs exactly the same as they are played in the studio, with the sound quality being less full and the vocals being worse. Combine that with material that I think is the worst the band have ever done (The Astonishing), and that DVD would have been a hard-pass for me.
So what would I buy? Short of the performances surpassing their studio counterparts in some way, maybe I would be more interested if the performances were looser, included jams/extended parts, or were reworked live so that it was like listening to something new...
Their Tone changes live. It may be played at exact studio tempo speed, but it's still not the studio recording. The bands that use a lot of Backing Tracks are more studio than DT live. Periphery, Animals As Leaders, Devin Townsend (he's the one that relies the most on backing tracks, and look at how fantastic Order of Magnitude sounds without them) are great examples, they basically play and rely upon the click. Dream Theater, I doubt relies on the click as much, only for the backing vocals being on time, but the others have full on Bass/String/Keyboard tracks for the entire song.
Their stuff is compositionally complicated enough to play as it is, so them doing it perfectly as on the album, is a treat in my eyes. JLB withstanding, as the vocals in Dream Theater songs, are not as easy to sing, every night for about 3 hours. Also, the "tone" of Dream Theater, JP sees JLB as being an essential part of. MP didn't and wanted a different singer or a different lead tone for Dream Theater.
But you are free to enjoy live music that way, I just find it an odd way to look at a live show. Reminds me of The Simpsons... :lol
Lisa Simpson: "You have to listen to the notes she's not playing."
Snooty Man: "Pff. I can do that at home."
(https://youtu.be/BbeilmP2wY8)
I have seen all the bands you mentioned live, and am wholly uninterested in doing so again, because I felt like I was just listening to their albums very loud. Devin is kind of the exception, because there's so much zaniness and personality to his music that comes through live, and his banter is hilarious. The others, not so much.
The big pull DT have for me these days is the musicianship, but I've heard these songs and know them note by note almost (well, at least the ones on Scenes). The shows are much more scripted since MP left, to the extent that there are so few surprises anymore. I'm thinking about the extended jam in To Live Forever on Live in Tokyo. The versions of Beyond this Life and Hollow Years on Budokan. The Sugar Mice interlude in the extended version of Surrounded on Chaos in Motion. I love all of this stuff. I saw DT every tour for several years in a row, and bad timing caused me to miss them on the Dramatic Tour. And I haven't seen them again since. And given my preferences for a good live show, looking at the setlists and the DVDs they've put out since, it's hard to see what I've really missed.
Not trying to criticize you for your honest opinion, but it just seems so nitpicky to me.
For me, if a band I like is playing within a 3 hour distance, and I am not prohibited from going either by finances or other commitments or whatever, I go.
For my favorite bands I will go see them on each leg of the tour if possible. I almost passed on DT last time around even though they were playing an hour and a half from me (which never happens for a band of their caliber) due to house shopping and also their lack of modifications to their setlist. Then I found out they pulled out At Wit's End, then front row seats opened up and...it goes without saying that I could not pass it up and thank god I didn't.
Some bands play to a blatant backing track (choirs, orchestra, effects) and while I would love to see all of that live, it isn't financially feasible for them so I put that tiny disappointment out of my mind and enjoy the show. I honestly can't fathom how anybody couldn't.
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Anyone know if a FLAC version will be available for download? Mp3's are not exactly gapless.
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Yeah, it glanced past that part, it looks like the Artbook. So, I don't expect it till Christmas.
I ordered the art book from Amazon and it has been dispatched today so obviously not a universal problem. I wonder what Century Media’s issue is.
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Yeah. What's really weird is my art book came direct from Century Media.
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I cannot find any information on the mixing of this particular release. Does anyone know who the Mixing Engineer was?
Thanks in advance.
Hope this helps:
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Bit late, but I was otherwise engaged, so I can say it now: Thank you so much!
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Listening now:) :xbones :metal
mix is great but the audience is missing. Its corona :D, feels not like a live album, more like a soundboard mix
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FANTASTIC REVIEW BY BERNARD ROMERO: https://lotsofmuzik.com/dream-theater-distant-memories-live-in-london/
:metal :hefdaddy
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I'm really torn on this.
The previous two live albums sound so doctored up, I cannot listen to them.
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Bernard Romero is a history teacher by day and a music and film fanatic by night. More than once he has gone to bed well past midnight with a sore back and neck from standing and headbanging at Dream Theater shows and still made it to work at 7:30AM the following morning so London has no excuse.
:rollin
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Bernard Romero is a history teacher by day and a music and film fanatic by night. More than once he has gone to bed well past midnight with a sore back and neck from standing and headbanging at Dream Theater shows and still made it to work at 7:30AM the following morning so London has no excuse.
:rollin
what's so funny about that?
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Edit: forget it. Deletion.
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Bernard Romero is a history teacher by day and a music and film fanatic by night. More than once he has gone to bed well past midnight with a sore back and neck from standing and headbanging at Dream Theater shows and still made it to work at 7:30AM the following morning so London has no excuse.
:rollin
That was SOOOO funny to me when I first read it. :rollin
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Fortunate to be in a time zone where we already have access to the album. I am already in my second listen to the album. Pretty good listen. James sounds short of breath in the opening songs, so I don't think his voice was touched up too much. As always, I find Mangini amazing. His Finally Free drum exhibition is a lot of fun. And his footwork, man, he's giving Bobby Jarzombek serious competition with that footwork.
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Will be interested to hear Mangini’s Finally Free ending again. Seem to remember it sounded terrible when I heard it but could have just been because it’s not what I was expecting.
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Nice to have the first set, and scenes with the new intro too. Wish recording was from NA first leg where JLB actually annunciated words. Here idk? It’s just sad to me at this point. Guitar tones are great though
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Listened to the first set.
ITPOE pt.1 is excellent. Way better than the one on Chaos in Motion. Mangini and LaBrie are great on this one.
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Listening now. Nightmare to Remember sounds huge!
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Listening now. Nightmare to Remember sounds huge!
So does the entire album.
Maybe a little too much, but overall I enjoy it for what it is, with all the flaws DT have nowadays in their live environment.
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Any FLAC available for purchase? All I see for download is an mp3 on Amazon. All of their links seem to be streaming only.
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Listening now. Nightmare to Remember sounds huge!
All thanks to it being loud as all hell. And them putting Mic's on the Toms. My god those Toms sound amazing. The drums sound amazing overall. And the mix, is excellent.
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FRIDAY EVENING, THE BLOOD STILL ON MY HANDS...
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Halfway through Nightmare and Goddamn, I have to agree. This version will probably be my go-to for the future.
Man, the band just sounds sooooo good here. After the shitty week I've had (topped off with spending the holiday in quarantine with my wife—no friends or family), this is such a welcome treat.
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I also want to add that the way James tackles MP's vocals in the last section is perfect.....I love the scream at the end!
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One thing though...They really need to invest in an audience mic. Or what I want to know is....why aren't they picking up the audience noise? The audience is there, but they're so low and quiet. Maybe the band was just that loud that the mics couldn't pick up the audience?
That's the problem I have with every live release of Take The Time.
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I think JLB becomes possessed at 3:53 of Finally Free :rollin
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I think JLB becomes possessed at 3:53 of Finally Free :rollin
:lol :lol
The Audience: "OPEN YOUR EYES!!!" :lol
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ANTR sounds amazing. One of my favorites for sure of the entire release, and ironically one of my least favorite songs included. Mike Mangini really takes it to a whole new level.
JLB sounds as good as he possibly can, but I definitely feel that he swings and changes his melodic rhythm quite a lot. He's always done that, but for some reason he's doing it a lot this time around. I don't think that's bad, but just a curious thing.
Holy cow Beyond This Life. This blows the Live at Budokan version out of the water (excluding of course the amazing extended instrumental section).
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Listened to the first set.
ITPOE pt.1 is excellent. Way better than the one on Chaos in Motion. Mangini and LaBrie are great on this one.
I agree although I'm still a bit miffed at its inclusion. I remember in concert thinking, "Whoa, they're going to do the whole song?" Then getting distracted thinking, "If they only do part 1 that's going to be kind of lame," but I guess it does actually kind fit ok leading into Pale Blue Dot.
Then on the recording hearing how good they sound and getting pissed all over again that they don't play Part 2.
Man, I hate to sound like a whiny fan but damn it, let be a little whiny especially since I have mostly good things to say about this release! :lol
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Only listen to the audio yet but the mix is great and i love the drum mix. Well very much compressed and its a shame that the audience is totally gone but looking forward to watch the bluray tomorrow.James is probably little to much overdubbed some times but its ok. Love nightmare :metal
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Listened to the first set.
ITPOE pt.1 is excellent. Way better than the one on Chaos in Motion. Mangini and LaBrie are great on this one.
I agree although I'm still a bit miffed at its inclusion. I remember in concert thinking, "Whoa, they're going to do the whole song?" Then getting distracted thinking, "If they only do part 1 that's going to be kind of lame," but I guess it does actually kind fit ok leading into Pale Blue Dot.
Then on the recording hearing how good they sound and getting pissed all over again that they don't play Part 2.
Man, I hate to sound like a whiny fan but damn it, let be a little whiny especially since I have mostly good things to say about this release! :lol
I hear you on that. I was all "Damn, it'd be cool if they would've done the whole thing"
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ITPOE and Nightmare are great. Any chance they were included as they are potentially easier vocally? Especially ITPOE.
On most of the more difficult higher register Scenes stuff I find James wailing too much. It is over the top he has turned difficult vocal lines into a monotonous one vowel sound with no pronunciation. You can’t actually understand a word. He still sounds great in the mid range vocal lines though.
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It's just plain bad. No live feeling. I didn't enjoy. Even that "one last time" section in Finally Free singed by audiences sounds like studio recording. To me this is not a sign of a amazing post production. This a failure.
DT is my all time favourite band. I hope this DVD doing OK for the rest of the fans.
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Well, I am in the camp that is waiting until mid-December for my copy. (artbook edition). And I was gonig to wait to listen until I received it. But after hearing
great reviews (mostly - but that would be par for the course) and especially for Nightmare - I had to give a listen. Just the first 2 songs. Nightmare did not disaapoint!
And ya, the JLB scream made me smile! :yarr Also little differences in the guitar and keyboard that were really interesting and good! Fun like the original, but not
exactly the same. What I love about live renditions! I actually listen to DT live more than the studio stuff. :metal
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Loved it when the audience sang the harmony to the guitar solo of Fall Into The Light.
Mangini's drum aolo in Finally Free will be divisive. He is really pushing it with the polyrhythmic stuff. 😁
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Loved it when the audience sang the harmony to the guitar solo of Fall Into The Light.
Mangini's drum aolo in Finally Free will be divisive. He is really piahing it with the polyrhythmic stuff. 😁
Not surprising considering people's thoughts during the tour. I personally wasn't a fan the two shows I saw, it felt too much but was hoping by the time of the last show, he might have refined it to be more enjoyable.
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I actually listen to DT live more than the studio stuff. :metal
As do I, mostly due to the great bootlegs they have. But I never listen to LALP or BTFW.
Sadly this was a listen before I buy release. But the good news is that I'm through Barstool Warrior, and this sounds way more organic than the last two live albums. I love that you can clearly hear Jordan.
It's going on my list to Santa!!
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Loved it when the audience sang the harmony to the guitar solo of Fall Into The Light.
Mangini's drum aolo in Finally Free will be divisive. He is really piahing it with the polyrhythmic stuff. 😁
Not surprising considering people's thoughts during the tour. I personally wasn't a fan the two shows I saw, it felt too much but was hoping by the time of the last show, he might have refined it to be more enjoyable.
For me, too much, playing to the edge of what is acceptable is what prog is about. You should watch drum solos during jazz concerts, those are even way crazier. :metal
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I liked a lot this album (only heard it on Spotify). The instruments are clear, they sound really beautiful and somewhat just a bit raw - at the point. The performances of Mike, Johns and Jordan are stellar. I like more when the crowd isn't too loud during the songs - I just like better the live albums this way, so I really like its mix. It seems a more real crowd reaction in a DT show to me (even more when they are seated). I'm not the best person to judge if the vocals are auto-tuned etc, but at least, they do sound like James performing it live and it has its flaws, no doubt.
That Mangini's drum solo on Finally Free is clearly the moment of his free soloing in the show (very different from the more "complementary to song" soloing from the studio version) and I think he really does something very unique here. His soloing kind of goes back and forth between crazy fills and crazy grooves, very original IMO.
By the way, nice video of the unboxing of the deluxe edition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrDGSnsodHc
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Is there a way to purchase an mp3 download from Europe? With the Euro > USD exchange rate it's much cheaper. I tried it on amazon.de but it's complicated with the payment methods.
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Is it just me or does James sound terrible here. His annunciation is horrible and that vibrato he uses in the higher notes is annoying. I guess I can credit it to him getting older, I guess.
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I love how having a full pre-Mangini album played straight through by Mangini brought out what Mangini brought to the table.
He brought METAL. Lots of metal.
SFAM sounds so heavy with Mangini on the drums. He may be playing Portnoy's parts but the way he hits it, the velocity, the footwork, it is SO metal.
Now I am wishing that we had an official record of his Images and Words playthrough.
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Say what you want about James singing (Ill defend JLB all day), but damn that scream at 3:54-3:56 in Finally Free - far out. He's def got some steam in the pipes still and wonder what a DT song would sound like with this type of screaming throughout.
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It's just plain bad. No live feeling. I didn't enjoy. Even that "one last time" section in Finally Free singed by audiences sounds like studio recording. To me this is not a sign of a amazing post production. This a failure.
DT is my all time favourite band. I hope this DVD doing OK for the rest of the fans.
Not to disrespect your opinion - not at all - but wether you like it or not, the way MM plays and the way he's mixed is what makes this sound way more live than anything they've put out since Chaos in Motion.
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Is it just me or does James sound terrible here. His annunciation is horrible and that vibrato he uses in the higher notes is annoying. I guess I can credit it to him getting older, I guess.
I was listening to the album yesterday and my thoughts where the same, not James' best release.
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I really really liked the Blu-ray! The way it sounded, the camerawork, the lightning. Top notch!
The setlist wasn't my favourite, but I can live with that.
I was a little bit worried about Labries performance , but found it very good. There were couple hickups but nothing earth shattering. Solid performance.
The ending of Finally Free wasn't my cup of tea. Sounded terrible! :D Sorry. Imo the drumming didn't fit at all and ruined the ending.
But yeah, very good performance from the whole band and a solid release. Really enjoyed watching it!
I also bought the 4LP edition but haven't tries it yet.
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Alright, after two full listens (first time I've done that since Budakon!), I have come to the following conclusions (which seem to be in line with the majority of this board so far)
James - I think he sounds amazing...and not just for his age. Are there a couple of cringe moments? Sure. But There's a handful of definitive performances here as well (Nightmare immediately comes to mind)
JP, JM, JR - All in top form. As others have already mentioned, there's a 'looseness' here that only comes with hard-earned chemistry. These guys have obviously found a groove together.
Mangini - eh, never gonna be my cup of tea, but he's obviously a brilliant player that does little to detract from the older material. Admittedly, I'm a MP fanboy, but, at this point, it is what it is...and if he makes the band happy, then that makes me happy.
Setlist - It's cool. I don't know that any of the scenes cut edge out the 'Live Scenes' release, but as a document of this band circa 2020, I am beyond please:)
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Is it just me or does James sound terrible here. His annunciation is horrible and that vibrato he uses in the higher notes is annoying. I guess I can credit it to him getting older, I guess.
I was listening to the album yesterday and my thoughts where the same, not James' best release.
When has he ever enunciated well... :biggrin:
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You know what I love about Mangini...
Mangini actually plays the fills and then some, that MP never bothered to learned to play. It's really noticeable in ANTR and ITPOE. MY god, that Blast Beat. MP wishes he could do that in ANTR.
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Is it just me or does James sound terrible here. His annunciation is horrible and that vibrato he uses in the higher notes is annoying. I guess I can credit it to him getting older, I guess.
I was listening to the album yesterday and my thoughts where the same, not James' best release.
When has he ever enunciated well... :biggrin:
heh, my thoughts as well. In that Talk is Jericho podcast they even made a joke about having more vowels in the high parts or something along those lines (I barely caught it and didn't rewind).
Here's the deal. Everything is subjective, right? I think James sounds great but I also try to be as objective as possible. Is his enunciation a bit problematic? Sure. His his vibrato a bit much? Sure. Both of those things can be attributed to the difficulty of the vocals along with the length of the show. So if it isn't your cup of tea, I get it. I don't mind either of those things enough for it to affect my enjoyment. But I gotta say, trying to be as objective as possible, I don't see how anybody could say that this is a bad performance.
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Is it just me or does James sound terrible here. His annunciation is horrible and that vibrato he uses in the higher notes is annoying. I guess I can credit it to him getting older, I guess.
I was listening to the album yesterday and my thoughts where the same, not James' best release.
When has he ever enunciated well... :biggrin:
heh, my thoughts as well. In that Talk is Jericho podcast they even made a joke about having more vowels in the high parts or something along those lines (I barely caught it and didn't rewind).
Here's the deal. Everything is subjective, right? I think James sounds great but I also try to be as objective as possible. Is his enunciation a bit problematic? Sure. His his vibrato a bit much? Sure. Both of those things can be attributed to the difficulty of the vocals along with the length of the show. So if it isn't your cup of tea, I get it. I don't mind either of those things enough for it to affect my enjoyment. But I gotta say, trying to be as objective as possible, I don't see how anybody could say that this is a bad performance.
Someone on this board once wrote that JLB had the hardest job in the band and I couldn't agree more. Sure his voice sounds strained on certain evenings but it doesn't take away from my enjoyment. Geddy Lee's voice vastly different towards the end but I loved every minute of their presentation. I wonder if he has a vocal coach?
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I don't see how anybody could say that this is a bad performance.
I´m thinking the same! It was actually far better performance than I was expecting.
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Is it just me or does James sound terrible here. His annunciation is horrible and that vibrato he uses in the higher notes is annoying. I guess I can credit it to him getting older, I guess.
I was listening to the album yesterday and my thoughts where the same, not James' best release.
When has he ever enunciated well... :biggrin:
heh, my thoughts as well. In that Talk is Jericho podcast they even made a joke about having more vowels in the high parts or something along those lines (I barely caught it and didn't rewind).
Here's the deal. Everything is subjective, right? I think James sounds great but I also try to be as objective as possible. Is his enunciation a bit problematic? Sure. His his vibrato a bit much? Sure. Both of those things can be attributed to the difficulty of the vocals along with the length of the show. So if it isn't your cup of tea, I get it. I don't mind either of those things enough for it to affect my enjoyment. But I gotta say, trying to be as objective as possible, I don't see how anybody could say that this is a bad performance.
Someone on this board once wrote that JLB had the hardest job in the band and I couldn't agree more. Sure his voice sounds strained on certain evenings but it doesn't take away from my enjoyment. Geddy Lee's voice vastly different towards the end but I loved every minute of their presentation. I wonder if he has a vocal coach?
I am sure he does, I am sure a lot of vocalists actually do whom are not classically trained or had any sort of Vocal Training, like took choir or sang in church. The coach could help him get an idea of how to better control his voice as most aging vocalists have to change up their style to suit their current voice tone. Geddy could likely still hit those highs, but they may sound like shit and he can only do it like once a night.
With JLB, I feel he likes to experiment with different vocal styles and he utilizes them on the live tours. That's the difference I had noticed once MP left. JLB is more free to do whatever he wants to do vocally, and JP lets him because JP is not the vocalist.
Kind of funny how people don't want them to sound exactly like the studio. Yet, when JLB does this with his vocals, people want his vocals to be exactly like the album. But, don't get this way with the instruments.
I am starting to think they just don't really like JLB's tone.
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Yeah, definitely people's biggest pick with JLB these days is his timbre. His voice has changed a lot, for sure, but he's still putting a hell of a show.
There are some vocal gems in this concert to me, for sure, like Beyond This Life or Nightmare to Remember.
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Is it just me or does James sound terrible here. His annunciation is horrible and that vibrato he uses in the higher notes is annoying. I guess I can credit it to him getting older, I guess.
I was listening to the album yesterday and my thoughts where the same, not James' best release.
I'm only a few songs in but I think he sounds really good.
Edit: I kind of wish they didn't even do Scenes for that tour but oh well.
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OK I broke down and bought the mp3. Blending it in CD Architect.
Vocals are a bit high and thin on Through Her Eyes. They sound fine in the heavy songs, but that really stood out to me.
TDOE was on point!!! It kinda drifts off time toward the end, but the rest is good.
I love the loud snare sound, and how we can actually hear JR with the rest of the band!
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I've just watched the first disc (Blu Ray), just gone to put the 2nd disc in to watch Scenes aaaand.. disc cannot be read at all. So frustrating... :(
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Finally getting around to watching the Blu-ray now. I’m enjoying it a lot, sits comfortably with their other polished live releases (i.e. not CIM or OIALT). James sounds fine, don’t care if he’s been fixed, it still sounds live, he doesn’t sound perfect.
Watching ITPOE and it reminds me of something that’s embarrassing to admit as someone who would call themselves pretty much a superfan of this band. When I was at the show, I had no clue what song ITPOE was until just before James came in. I was listening and enjoying the hell out of it but I couldn’t figure out what song it was. Was just thinking, “I know this, what the hell is it?” It was my personal highlight of the show though, sounded amazing.
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Good to read all the positive reviews, makes me a bit upset that I bought the artbook and now have to wait longer.
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Can’t you just cancel and buy it from another site? I had no problems getting the artbook from Amazon.
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Can’t get over how small Hammersmith Apollo looks on this. It’s a pretty big theatre, over 3 and a half thousand seated or 5,000 if standing downstairs. It looks tiny on this.
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Scenes remains a magical album and The Spirit Carries On is probably DT’s finest achievement. We all have our favourites (mine is Learning To Live) but I can’t imagine anyone listening to TSCO and not enjoying it to some degree. It’s their most successful melodic, accessible song attempt, pretty much perfection.
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Where am I supposed to buy the Blu-Ray?
Amazon is sold out and links from dt.net are just for streaming audio.
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Where am I supposed to buy the Blu-Ray?
Amazon is sold out and links from dt.net are just for streaming audio.
https://www.lasercd.com/cd/distant-memories-live-london-3cd2-blu-ray
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I'm listening to the stream until I get the artbook, listening to the live album though really wants me to get watch along with the performance.
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Scenes remains a magical album and The Spirit Carries On is probably DT’s finest achievement. We all have our favourites (mine is Learning To Live) but I can’t imagine anyone listening to TSCO and not enjoying it to some degree. It’s their most successful melodic, accessible song attempt, pretty much perfection.
One of my least favorite DT songs. :-X
I guess I don't hate it, and I do like that people enjoy it, but for my money a song like Along for the Ride is 100 times better.
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Had the album been embraced by the fanbase, they would have easily done it. However, it was very polarizing. Why put the money into recording a live version of an album that a lot of fans didn't care for?
If you believe in something that strongly, you have the conviction to see it through and not cave to fan pressure. They were all in until about midway through that tour and then they caved and fell back on Images and Words 25. Not to make this about Portnoy because he absolutely has nothing to do with it, but he would have fought for it. It was even better live musically.
But there are times when it is necessary to admit defeat.
They tried. They did the record, the tour, many fans hated it.
I think it is unfair to blame them for not insisting anymore.
I disagree with that. With the amount of effort that went into it, to pull the plug on it like that kind of leaves a bad taste. If it was earlier in their career, maybe I might feel differently, but the band wasn't going to break up because of it in 2016. I think they kind of took the easy way out with it but that's just me.
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Had the album been embraced by the fanbase, they would have easily done it. However, it was very polarizing. Why put the money into recording a live version of an album that a lot of fans didn't care for?
If you believe in something that strongly, you have the conviction to see it through and not cave to fan pressure. They were all in until about midway through that tour and then they caved and fell back on Images and Words 25. Not to make this about Portnoy because he absolutely has nothing to do with it, but he would have fought for it. It was even better live musically.
But there are times when it is necessary to admit defeat.
They tried. They did the record, the tour, many fans hated it.
I think it is unfair to blame them for not insisting anymore.
I disagree with that. With the amount of effort that went into it, to pull the plug on it like that kind of leaves a bad taste. If it was earlier in their career, maybe I might feel differently, but the band wasn't going to break up because of it in 2016. I think they kind of took the easy way out with it but that's just me.
Bosk already made an insightful post as to why they didn't record a live DVD but as far as the band abandoning The Astonishing...is there any official or non-official word that they dropped The Astonishing in the middle of the tour? Were they planning on playing the entire album throughout 2016 & 2017?
The Astonishing is a looooong album. It's a lot for the band (and the fans who weren't into it) to endure something of that magnitude for an entire year + however many months of live shows.
DT seem to be well off financially but they're not Metallica. If The Astonishing tour wasn't doing as well as their normal tours, I couldn't fault them for going back to what works.
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Watched the whole thing yesterday with my girlfriend, and the Blue Ray is just great.
My only complain about the production is that I would have loved more John Myung camera time. About the performance, I don't like them playing to a click track.
Apart from these things, the rest is simply spectacular. It is not one of those videos that change the camara angle each 0,5 seconds. Here you can really see what's going on. They filmed the concert beautifully. And the band sounds great. In the Presence of Enemies, A Night to Remember and At Wits End are glorious highlights.
Very very happy with the release.
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If the band never said publicly that they play to a click, would people even notice?
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I think so. People complained that MP would speed up songs live but I think that's part of the fun and energy of being in a live environment.
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I recently saw a video of MM explaining why the band uses a click. Apparently, the reason they use a click (and I'm sure some of you already know this) is because of the video, lighting and audio effects need to be intricately timed. Any change in tempo could compromise the presentation so I don't have any issue with this. I do however find it amusing that MP would encourage players to use a click in his drum videos but would be the one to lose the tempo.
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Of course people will notice even without saying. A performance to a click track is way different than without one. It's way less organic and rigid. It's closer to an album.
Also there isn't even necesary to have a developed musical ear to notice, there are a lot of tells. The triggered voice choirs perfectly on time, the lack of need for the players to change effects or patches to change the sounds of guitars and keyboard, the right tempo matching with the video art on the screen...
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I do however find it amusing that MP would encourage players to use a click in his drum videos but would be the one to lose the tempo.
I don't know the exact quote you mention, but maybe he was talking about spending some of your practice time playing to a click, which would be good advice.
Live situations I think should be different. If you speed up or slow down it may be that you are not loosing your tempo, but reacting to the room and the audience energy. Making it more organic, making it live.
To me that's more interesting than having a great video presentation to go with the show.
But once you start doing it, I would think it might be difficult to go back, because of the convenience. It's more lazy, but for sure it's nice to have all your effects and patches programed to enter at the right time and not have to think of that.
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While on one hand the click track surely helps, it's also a train that can't be stopped. Once it starts, it starts. Without a click you can come back from any screwup or unforeseen incident on stage, with a click track you have to go through it no matter what.
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I do however find it amusing that MP would encourage players to use a click in his drum videos but would be the one to lose the tempo.
I don't know the exact quote you mention, but maybe he was talking about spending some of your practice time playing to a click, which would be good advice.
Live situations I think should be different. If you speed up or slow down it may be that you are not loosing your tempo, but reacting to the room and the audience energy. Making it more organic, making it live.
To me that's more interesting than having a great video presentation to go with the show.
But once you start doing it, I would think it might be difficult to go back, because of the convenience. It's more lazy, but for sure it's nice to have all your effects and patches programed to enter at the right time and not have to think of that.
It was during one of his drum tutorials and he was showing how to play the kick drums to one of their songs and I completely agree with you, it's a good idea for any musician to use a click whilst practicing.
As far as DT's use of a click, yeah you would have to scale back the production but the precision of the musical parts would indeed make it challenging. I wonder if they would need to go back to floor monitors if they did this.
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Of course people will notice even without saying. A performance to a click track is way different than without one. It's way less organic and rigid. It's closer to an album.
Also there isn't even necesary to have a developed musical ear to notice, there are a lot of tells. The triggered voice choirs perfectly on time, the lack of need for the players to change effects or patches to change the sounds of guitars and keyboard, the right tempo matching with the video art on the screen...
You mean every Symphonic Metal Band. :lol :lol
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Bosk already made an insightful post as to why they didn't record a live DVD but as far as the band abandoning The Astonishing...is there any official or non-official word that they dropped The Astonishing in the middle of the tour? Were they planning on playing the entire album throughout 2016 & 2017?
They were gonna play it through the end of 2016, but there was never any promise of them continuing the tour in 2017. I'd honestly be surprised for them to do that anyway, given that they had been playing it throughout all of 2016. That said, they did cave to a degree towards the end of the last leg of the tour. At that point, they dropped 5 songs from TA and added a 3 song encore of AIA, TSCO and PMU.
I recently saw a video of MM explaining why the band uses a click. Apparently, the reason they use a click (and I'm sure some of you already know this) is because of the video, lighting and audio effects need to be intricately timed. Any change in tempo could compromise the presentation so I don't have any issue with this.
That's the reason they say, but to be honest, I think it's a bit of a cop out. MM strikes me as being far more naturally disciplined than MP when it comes to drumming, and I imagine that there is little to no need for a click at all. Never mind the mantra that JP follows: What would Rush do? Rush almost *never* used a click track live. Neil says that he only used it sparingly, primarily on the Clockwork Angels tour to help with the string section that was on tour with them. Otherwise, he preferred to avoid the click. And yet, look at how intricate Rush's shows were when it came to lights, video and audio effects. So a click is not needed.
I do however find it amusing that MP would encourage players to use a click in his drum videos but would be the one to lose the tempo.
As Siddhartha said, it probably depends on the context of what you're quoting. And it makes sense that he would encourage others to use a click during practice. MP himself even used a click when in the studio recording each album. But he never used one live because that's a different setting.
I think so. People complained that MP would speed up songs live but I think that's part of the fun and energy of being in a live environment.
A performance to a click track is way different than without one. It's way less organic and rigid. It's closer to an album.
Agree with both these posts.
As far as DT's use of a click, yeah you would have to scale back the production but the precision of the musical parts would indeed make it challenging.
No they wouldn't. Rush proves it's not necessary. It might require the guys themselves to trigger some things as Rush did, and for their lighting/video guys to stay on top of things instead of simply hitting a button to start a certain light or video sequence (again, as Rush did), but it's entirely possible, more live and organic, which is what live performance is all about.
I wonder if they would need to go back to floor monitors if they did this.
Why? What does that have to do with this discussion?
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I wonder if they would need to go back to floor monitors if they did this.
Why? What does that have to do with this discussion?
In ear monitors is why I mention this. Each member has a different mix in their ears and I just wonder if that mix would impede their performance. Probably not but I was just curious for the sake of discussion.
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Outside of the Clockwork Angels tour, I believe Red Sector A was the only song Rush played to a click live, which is why you saw Neil Peart wearing headphones for that song only (I know he did in the GUP tour and A Show of Hands concert videos, cannot recall for the later ones).
With all due respect to DT, I don't think they are on Rush's level when it comes to their ability to play an entire concert and also remember the many cues they had to trigger on stage in real time. The fact that Rush was always able to pull that off while rarely playing to a click was insane. Rush could have a train wreck like Alex's guitar not working correctly at the Boston show (still no guitar!) and still keep the lighting and triggered music in synch until it was fixed because they were triggering it all in real time and keeping it on schedule with what they were playing at any exact moment. A band playing to a click would have had to shut it down and start the song all over.
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Outside of the Clockwork Angels tour, I believe Red Sector A was the only song Rush played to a click live, which is why you saw Neil Peart wearing headphones for that song only (I know he did in the GUP tour and A Show of Hands concert videos, cannot recall for the later ones).
With all due respect to DT, I don't think they are on Rush's level when it comes to their ability to play an entire concert and also remember the many cues they had to trigger on stage in real time. The fact that Rush was always able to pull that off while rarely playing to a click was insane. Rush could have a train wreck like Alex's guitar not working correctly at the Boston show (still no guitar!) and still keep the lighting and triggered music in synch until it was fixed because they were triggering it all in real time and keeping it on schedule with what they were playing at any exact moment. A band playing to a click would have had to shut it down and start the song all over.
If my recall is anything (and there is no guarantee of that) The Weapon was the other. I remember that Neil shuttered at the idea of playing "disco". as he wrote in one of the tour booklets.
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Honestly? Better than I thought.
It's really too bad how heavy the setlist is with seeing stuff because we already have plenty of representation of that live, including ones that I already find to be pretty definitive. But I really like how much life is breathed into the black clouds and systematic chaos selections, as well as the new stuff which sounded great already. If there were more selections from those albums on here, I would probably go ahead and buy this.
Are we ever going to get a live version of the Count of Tusacany?
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If my recall is anything (and there is no guarantee of that) The Weapon was the other. I remember that Neil shuttered at the idea of playing "disco". as he wrote in one of the tour booklets.
That might be correct, as I seem to recall Neil wearing the headphones on The Weapon as well on the GUP tour video. Sadly, I never got to see them play that live (since it was dropped from the set lists forever by the mid 80's). :( :(
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Here's a good video on Click Tracks from Nick D'Virgilio
https://youtu.be/jrbcVRTT7V0?t=58
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Honestly? Better than I thought.
Are we ever going to get a live version of the Count of Tusacany?
I would love to see that! :tup I could imagine a spectacular light show during the slow section when JP is doing the volume swells.
I would also like to get a full version of Octavarium. The one on Score fell short, as I found the orchestra very distracting. I hated how they went into split screens during the Razors edge solo and the antique white guitar just doesn't fit the vibe of that solo for some reason. lol
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Honestly? Better than I thought.
Are we ever going to get a live version of the Count of Tusacany?
I would love to see that! :tup I could imagine a spectacular light show during the slow section when JP is doing the volume swells.
I would also like to get a full version of Octavarium. The one on Score fell short, as I found the orchestra very distracting. I hated how they went into split screens during the Razors edge solo and the antique white guitar just doesn't fit the vibe of that solo for some reason. lol
The Orchestra in Score is an overall distraction for me. I can't listen to Vacant at all. I actually forgot that it's on that album. :lol It was a good idea, that wasn't executed quite well. The orchestra needed more rehearsal time.
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I watched a few of the songs last night, and overall, I think that Distant Memories is a great package. I found the mix and overall sound of the concert to be excellent. And Petrucci's guitar tone is just... OMG.
I still can't get over so many people sitting in the crowd though. Such a weird thing to see at a metal concert. :lol
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FANTASTIC REVIEW BY BERNARD ROMERO: https://lotsofmuzik.com/dream-theater-distant-memories-live-in-london/
:metal :hefdaddy
I watched the concert again and re read this, Beranrd's review is soooo on point!
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With all due respect to DT, I don't think they are on Rush's level when it comes to their ability to play an entire concert and also remember the many cues they had to trigger on stage in real time.
Really? I would think just the opposite. You've got 5 guys verses 3. JR already does so much with his keyboards and has notes on an iPad to keep everything straight. Having a note to hit a specific key at a certain time wouldn't be much to add for the wizard. JL could easily trigger backing vocals since he knows when the chorus is coming and he is already doing the singing. MM is just as capable (if not more so) than Neil to hit an electronic drum pad to cue up certain sound effects. And both JP and JM are extremely on point with everything they do, so I fail to see how they would botch up triggering some cues with their feet.
Don't forget that we're just talking about audio cues. Of course, they could have one of the crew members do it to, just as they could with lighting and video which would obviously be overseen by crew members.
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Just to be clear here, by "click track" you guys are referring to a mere Metronome, right?
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I just watched the entire Blu Ray and it is spectacular! It is a great representation of the tour and Scenes really does resonate well live! The cinematography is lush and there are some great shots and angles - it really does feel like you’re there. It’s obvious that they touched up James’ performance but that’s alright. I also forgot how awesome the video intro to Scenes was, with them introducing the characters 👍 Nightmare and Presence sound massive, and it kicks ass!
My only problem with it was lack of energy from the crowd, but that’s not DT’s fault. Oh well.
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Where am I supposed to buy the Blu-Ray?
Amazon is sold out and links from dt.net are just for streaming audio.
https://www.lasercd.com/cd/distant-memories-live-london-3cd2-blu-ray
Spanks very much.
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Just to be clear here, by "click track" you guys are referring to a mere Metronome, right?
Correct. Digital of course....
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Just to be clear here, by "click track" you guys are referring to a mere Metronome, right?
With the difference that a metronome sticks to one tempo, while a click track follows the tempo changes of a song, if it has any.
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Just to be clear here, by "click track" you guys are referring to a mere Metronome, right?
Correct. Digital of course....
Just to be clear here, by "click track" you guys are referring to a mere Metronome, right?
With the difference that a metronome sticks to one tempo, while a click track follows the tempo changes of a song, if it has any.
Did you guys watch that vid I posted?
It really helps explain exactly what Click Tracks are and how they are used live. It explains how Dream Theater possibly uses them.
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Could they play it live without pre-programming everything? Of course. But why would they? It's kinda like some people in their cars - I know how to drive stick, but on the highway I'd rather drive with the automatic, and preferably with the line keeper and adaptive cruise control engaged. Is it because I don't know how to drive without those tools? Of course not, but by using those tools it helps me focus on the stuff I should be focused on - the traffic.
By making a show run through a tool like ProTools, the benefit is everything is already pre programmed - there is no need to worry about pressing the right button to trigger whatever video or backing track or whatever - and when you're doing 100 shows a year this is removal of one potential headache. They want to deliver a specific show.
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Could they play it live without pre-programming everything? Of course. But why would they? It's kinda like some people in their cars - I know how to drive stick, but on the highway I'd rather drive with the automatic, and preferably with the line keeper and adaptive cruise control engaged. Is it because I don't know how to drive without those tools? Of course not, but by using those tools it helps me focus on the stuff I should be focused on - the traffic.
By making a show run through a tool like ProTools, the benefit is everything is already pre programmed - there is no need to worry about pressing the right button to trigger whatever video or backing track or whatever - and when you're doing 100 shows a year this is removal of one potential headache. They want to deliver a specific show.
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By making a show run through a tool like ProTools, the benefit is everything is already pre programmed - there is no need to worry about pressing the right button to trigger whatever video or backing track or whatever - and when you're doing 100 shows a year this is removal of one potential headache. They want to deliver a specific show.
This is my only misgiving about post-Portnoy DT.
They don't do 100 shows. They do 1 show 100 times. There is no difference from night to night, it's all the same. No unique performances, no extended solos, no live magic. The show I get in Raleigh is EXACTLY the show that people get in NYC or Chicago, down to to the runtime.
Still very impressive, and I love to see it, but I would much prefer to see them ditch the backing tracks and click.
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By making a show run through a tool like ProTools, the benefit is everything is already pre programmed - there is no need to worry about pressing the right button to trigger whatever video or backing track or whatever - and when you're doing 100 shows a year this is removal of one potential headache. They want to deliver a specific show.
This is my only misgiving about post-Portnoy DT.
They don't do 100 shows. They do 1 show 100 times. There is no difference from night to night, it's all the same. No unique performances, no extended solos, no live magic. The show I get in Raleigh is EXACTLY the show that people get in NYC or Chicago, down to to the runtime.
Still very impressive, and I love to see it, but I would much prefer to see them ditch the backing tracks and click.
Well said.
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By making a show run through a tool like ProTools, the benefit is everything is already pre programmed - there is no need to worry about pressing the right button to trigger whatever video or backing track or whatever - and when you're doing 100 shows a year this is removal of one potential headache. They want to deliver a specific show.
The problem is, the band become slaves to the machines, instead of the other way around, which is not what a live concert is about. A live concert is about being in the moment - performing in front of an audience in real time. If they feel it's necessary to use a crutch like taped backing vocals, then at least be willing to trigger them as if they were being performed live.
Why argue this issue in the first place? Because by sticking to the click, their performances are more wooden or rigid, which again is not what live performance is all about. I think what Neil Peart said regarding the issue sums it up quite nicely:
Until the Clockwork Angels tour I had never used a click track live, except once years ago to stay in sync with a rear-screen film. For this tour it was helpful because we had eight string players in the Clockwork Angels String Ensemble, and they sometimes needed it when I wasn't playing. Even in certain passages when I was playing, it helped us all to stay together.
I was also required to stay in tempo with some long, legato sequences of keyboard or vocal effects, and the tambo-click helped with that, too. Even so, I am glad to say that the click appears in only a tiny percentage of the show, and only when absolutely necessary - or at least, "absolutely helpful."
On most songs, I prefer to hold it together myself, and let the band be a living, breathing organism that can push and pull naturally. These days many bands perform to a preprogrammed basic track, often a computerized software program. We always resisted that rigidity.
If only JP would follow his WWRD mantra here...
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If I had the time right now, I'd find my clip from the Elton John concert I went to a couple years ago where he ripped on artists who play to a click, saying something along the lines of them not being real musicians. I mean, I think that's an extreme view personally, but that's coming from a well respected musician so his opinion has some merit, much more so than my own opinion.
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Devils advocate here a little but is there anything to be said for Rush and Elton John being mega successful acts playing huge shows who can afford to have top lighting technicians etc who can react to slight changes in tempo whereas DT still want to a sophisticated cool looking show but want to be able to pre-program it all and not pay for human beings to sit and manually do it. I literally have zero clue what I’m talking about but, just a thought.
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Devils advocate here a little but is there anything to be said for Rush and Elton John being mega successful acts playing huge shows who can afford to have top lighting technicians etc who can react to slight changes in tempo whereas DT still want to a sophisticated cool looking show but want to be able to pre-program it all and not pay for human beings to sit and manually do it. I literally have zero clue what I’m talking about but, just a thought.
Money definitely comes to play, but I'd gladly take a less interesting video/light show to go without a click personally.
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I've said this before, but with Dream Theater shows..
With MP-Concerts
Post MP-Performances
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I've said this before, but with Dream Theater shows..
With MP-Concerts
Post MP-Performances Theater
I'd say this, but yea, pretty accurate IMO. I just see both a concert or theater show as performances. As in, I do still think they are playing live and are there in front of us, it's just more staged now vs. being organic.
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All bands are free to do it however they want. Someone can correct me if I mispeak, but I think Iron Maiden hasn't been using click tracks for their recent studio albums. This (of course) allows the music to breathe more naturally. I wonder how this would translates to their staged live presentation. They probably need "button pushers" to make it happen.
That being said, I'm completely happy with the choices made by Dream Theater regarding the way they want to present their shows. If playing to a click allows for a more "perfect" performance, and eliminates timing headaches with all the accompanying bells & whistles, then more power to them. I've personally got no problems with a live performance that sounds just like the album. :tup
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Devils advocate here a little but is there anything to be said for Rush and Elton John being mega successful acts playing huge shows who can afford to have top lighting technicians etc who can react to slight changes in tempo whereas DT still want to a sophisticated cool looking show but want to be able to pre-program it all and not pay for human beings to sit and manually do it. I literally have zero clue what I’m talking about but, just a thought.
Money definitely comes to play, but I'd gladly take a less interesting video/light show to go without a click personally.
I’ll be honest with you, if it wasn’t for people on here talking about it, I wouldn’t have given it a second’s thought. I’ve never really noticed an issue.
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Devils advocate here a little but is there anything to be said for Rush and Elton John being mega successful acts playing huge shows who can afford to have top lighting technicians etc who can react to slight changes in tempo whereas DT still want to a sophisticated cool looking show but want to be able to pre-program it all and not pay for human beings to sit and manually do it. I literally have zero clue what I’m talking about but, just a thought.
Money definitely comes to play, but I'd gladly take a less interesting video/light show to go without a click personally.
I’ll be honest with you, if it wasn’t for people on here talking about it, I wouldn’t have given it a second’s thought. I’ve never really noticed an issue.
I'm not a musician so a lot of the talk here sometimes enlightens me on things I don't have an ear for, but I've gone to A LOT of concerts, about 20 DT shows as well both with and without MP, and you can start to notice bands who use click. It's only partly about lighting and video, as some bands don't have any of that and play to click and some bands have lots of those elements and don't. At the end of the day, for me, I find I enjoy concerts without click because the tempo often goes up slightly which leads to a bit more live energy in the room. As for a concert DVD, it goes both ways since you can't really feel that live feel on your couch, but the live versions often don't sound that different from album releases when they play to a click so without adds some more variety to their music, but then again you get a very accurate live representation.
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Devils advocate here a little but is there anything to be said for Rush and Elton John being mega successful acts playing huge shows who can afford to have top lighting technicians etc who can react to slight changes in tempo whereas DT still want to a sophisticated cool looking show but want to be able to pre-program it all and not pay for human beings to sit and manually do it. I literally have zero clue what I’m talking about but, just a thought.
Money definitely comes to play, but I'd gladly take a less interesting video/light show to go without a click personally.
I’ll be honest with you, if it wasn’t for people on here talking about it, I wouldn’t have given it a second’s thought. I’ve never really noticed an issue.
I first heard about it on this forum before I ever saw the band play and not once did I think about it the two times I saw DT live. *shrug*
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I think what people miss is the Spontaneity. Not playing to a click allows bands to be more Spontaneous.
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All bands are free to do it however they want. Someone can correct me if I mispeak, but I think Iron Maiden hasn't been using click tracks for their recent studio albums. This (of course) allows the music to breathe more naturally. I wonder how this would translates to their staged live presentation. They probably need "button pushers" to make it happen.
That being said, I'm completely happy with the choices made by Dream Theater regarding the way they want to present their shows. If playing to a click allows for a more "perfect" performance, and eliminates timing headaches with all the accompanying bells & whistles, then more power to them. I've personally got no problems with a live performance that sounds just like the album. :tup
Me too...
Mangini kinda pretty much says that the band isn't what it used to be, in this video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7UlBm-iuP8
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I've personally got no problems with a live performance that sounds just like the album. :tup
I don't either, really. I mean, when I go to the show, I can see and hear them performing live (except for those canned backing vocals), and that works just fine to me. I still enjoy the boots too.
But LALP and BTFW sound so processed. At least Distant Memories does indeed sound live.
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I've personally got no problems with a live performance that sounds just like the album. :tup
I don't either, really. I mean, when I go to the show, I can see and hear them performing live (except for those canned backing vocals), and that works just fine to me. I still enjoy the boots too.
But LALP and BTFW sound so processed. At least Distant Memories does indeed sound live.
LALP, it's the keys being low in the mix, for me. And with BTFW it's the entire sound, I don't know what it is. But, it does have my favorite version of Scarred.
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I think there were quite a few solo sections which were more difficult for JP to play in the MP days because MP would end up speeding songs up so much faster than they were originally. That being said, some songs just don't sound right live at the CD tempo - the end of TCOT is a great example. Any audio from that first tour when they were playing that... that ending is just so sluggish and has no energy and lacks the burst of emotion it had during the MP days before the click. But going back to the other hand, overall the production quality of the shows have increased due to the click track - as mentioned before, lighting and videos are now programmable to the tempo map of the song which makes changes happen at precisely the right moment. Lots of bands are doing it because it makes for a more flawless show. The only thing I wish they would cease doing is the taped backing vocals. It just looks silly when JP pretends to sing when in reality it's a tape. Unless his vocals are just low in the mix and he's actually singing along with the backing track. But there's clearly been a backing track on every tour since ADTOE.
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All bands are free to do it however they want. Someone can correct me if I mispeak, but I think Iron Maiden hasn't been using click tracks for their recent studio albums. This (of course) allows the music to breathe more naturally. I wonder how this would translates to their staged live presentation. They probably need "button pushers" to make it happen.
That being said, I'm completely happy with the choices made by Dream Theater regarding the way they want to present their shows. If playing to a click allows for a more "perfect" performance, and eliminates timing headaches with all the accompanying bells & whistles, then more power to them. I've personally got no problems with a live performance that sounds just like the album. :tup
Me too...
Mangini kinda pretty much says that the band isn't what it used to be, in this video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7UlBm-iuP8
Interesting video. Mangini seemed a bit annoyed. I hope he doesn't read too many YouTube comments. I made the mistake of reading some of the comments in that video :lol
The only thing I wish they would cease doing is the taped backing vocals. It just looks silly when JP pretends to sing when in reality it's a tape. Unless his vocals are just low in the mix and he's actually singing along with the backing track. But there's clearly been a backing track on every tour since ADTOE.
Apparently, Petrucci is really singing but his vocals are so low in the mix that he might as well not be singing.
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Mangini kinda pretty much says that the band isn't what it used to be, in this video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7UlBm-iuP8
Jeez, he even said in that video that playing in the band these days is more of a job than anything. I get the sense that he doesn't have much fun playing in the band anymore.
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Mangini kinda pretty much says that the band isn't what it used to be, in this video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7UlBm-iuP8
Jeez, he even said in that video that playing in the band these days is more of a job than anything. I get the sense that he doesn't have much fun playing in the band anymore.
I just heard him say he has a job to do.
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Mangini kinda pretty much says that the band isn't what it used to be, in this video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7UlBm-iuP8
Jeez, he even said in that video that playing in the band these days is more of a job than anything. I get the sense that he doesn't have much fun playing in the band anymore.
I just heard him say he has a job to do.
Yup. And it's a big one. It's great to see him have that much of a role in the Live Production of the band.
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Mangini kinda pretty much says that the band isn't what it used to be, in this video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7UlBm-iuP8
Jeez, he even said in that video that playing in the band these days is more of a job than anything. I get the sense that he doesn't have much fun playing in the band anymore.
I just heard him say he has a job to do.
Why do people assume that having a job to do is not having fun?
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I think what people miss is the Spontaneity. Not playing to a click allows bands to be more Spontaneous.
I saw DT a bunch of times though with Portnoy and never really noticed them doing too much off the cuff, it’s always been pretty much playing the song as it is on the album or occasionally a clearly rehearsed different version of the song like they did with The Killing Hand. It’s very rare in the later Portnoy years (post Scenes) they played some improvised stuff like Beyond This Life on LAB. If you watch Score for example, it’s pretty much album versions of every song unless my memory is tricking me.
I would say, seeing them on recent tours, they have actually seemed more relaxed and engaging on stage rather than more rigid. They move around more and interact with audience more. Yes they don’t have Portnoy’s stage presence but JLB has stepped up a bit in that regard and you get Rudess coming out with his keytar and even Myung occasionally steps forward to rock out with JP instead of just standing still like he used to. Like I said, if no one had mentioned it, I would not have picked up on any difference in how they play.
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The only time I ever noticed the click was during A Change of Seasons. After so many variations of Portnoy kicking Innocence hard and fast, boy that section DRAGGED. I remember rocking the hell out and the band not following me 'cause I was going too fast (well, it was actually the other way around I guess :biggrin: )
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I'm not a musician so a lot of the talk here sometimes enlightens me on things I don't have an ear for, but I've gone to A LOT of concerts, about 20 DT shows as well both with and without MP, and you can start to notice bands who use click. It's only partly about lighting and video, as some bands don't have any of that and play to click and some bands have lots of those elements and don't.
There's probably a difference in how extensive the click tracks are. You have bands that have the crew triggering all the effects and pre-recorded music like intros and outros on time, doing the lights along with the show, who play songs in different tempos than the album tempo, and you assume they don't play to a click, but then they come out and say they do. The click in those cases is probably not as extensive and is there just as an indicator that maybe something's going wrong.
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I saw DT a bunch of times though with Portnoy and never really noticed them doing too much off the cuff, it’s always been pretty much playing the song as it is on the album or occasionally a clearly rehearsed different version of the song like they did with The Killing Hand. It’s very rare in the later Portnoy years (post Scenes) they played some improvised stuff like Beyond This Life on LAB.
Here are examples that come to mind that happened occasionally (although there may be others that I'm forgetting):
• spontaneous covers tacked on to the end of songs (especially during Touring Into Infinity and the 98 Holiday shows)
• purposefully speeding up and/or slowing down sections of songs (AFiL during M2000, PMU during World Tourbulence)
• the jamming at the end of Take the Time (World Tourbulence, Black Clouds) and Metropolis (Prog Nation 2008, Black Clouds)
• stand alone improvs, as well as improv sections in Beyond This Life and To Live Forever (Train of Thought), and Solitary Shell (Black Clouds)
• the stretched out intros to Scarred (World Tourbulence, Chaos in Motion), Schmedley Wilcox (Chaos in Motion)
• the crazy show in Glasgow in 2000
• one off covers (Escape From the Studio, Train of Thought, 20th Anniversary) - while not spontaneous, these were unexpected by the audience
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Speaking of Beyond this Life, I wonder about that stretched live section - was it different every time, or there was a "template" that the band followed and, while the jam was strictly a diversion from the studio version, it was give or take played the same every time? or was it really random, as in, one show it lasts 6 minutes and the next evening it lasts 7 minutes and a half?
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I've seen DT...14 times. The first was during the FII tour, the last was the DoT tour in March 2019. And while many of you no doubt have seen them more, I have always felt that the band had more energy with Portnoy. I'm not a musician. I sing, but it has been eons since I've been on stage performing, and even then, it was dive bars. So I don't pretend to know what goes into a production of the magnitude DT puts on.
The click track (which if memory served Portnoy hated to play with, and I think refused [check me on that if not accurate] to play with) really seems to make performances way more sterile. It doesn't mean that ALL bands who use one end up sterile, but it does IMO with Dream Theater because while the performance is great, the nature and complexity of DT's music has the musicians and the fans more paying attention to what's being played rather than vibing off the playing, if that makes sense.
The theater situation doesn't help. My favorite two Dream Theater shows were the 1998 holiday show at Irving Plaza in NYC, and the Feb. 2000 Metropolis PT. 2 show at...I think it was Roseland. Both were GA. Both totally different vibes. But both had an amazing connection between the band and the audience. You FELT the connection (I sure did on the latter, I got swept up during "Home" by the pit and ended up on the other side of the venue). Those were just intense feelings.
With Mangini, I have been told the band now uses click tracks all the time, and only are in theaters so there are seats. And while the old fogey that I have become enjoys the seats, and the performances are really tight, and its a great "show," it's very different experience. Not worse, but certainly not the same vibe that I had from the band in the shows I saw from 1998-2010 (or whenever MP left).
But DT is not alone in this at all. There are bands I've seen for years where the same happens. It can't be helped if you want multimedia all the time. You almost need the click to make it all happen. (Again, non-musician talking here.)
>>>I came on this thread regarding the release. So bummed it got pushed back. I can wait until mid-December, but I was really looking forward to watching it this past weekend. I ordered one of the big package bundles.
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I saw DT a bunch of times though with Portnoy and never really noticed them doing too much off the cuff, it’s always been pretty much playing the song as it is on the album or occasionally a clearly rehearsed different version of the song like they did with The Killing Hand. It’s very rare in the later Portnoy years (post Scenes) they played some improvised stuff like Beyond This Life on LAB.
Here are examples that come to mind that happened occasionally (although there may be others that I'm forgetting):
• spontaneous covers tacked on to the end of songs (especially during Touring Into Infinity and the 98 Holiday shows)
• purposefully speeding up and/or slowing down sections of songs (AFiL during M2000, PMU during World Tourbulence)
• the jamming at the end of Take the Time (World Tourbulence, Black Clouds) and Metropolis (Prog Nation 2008, Black Clouds)
• stand alone improvs, as well as improv sections in Beyond This Life and To Live Forever (Train of Thought), and Solitary Shell (Black Clouds)
• the stretched out intros to Scarred (World Tourbulence, Chaos in Motion), Schmedley Wilcox (Chaos in Motion)
• the crazy show in Glasgow in 2000
• one off covers (Escape From the Studio, Train of Thought, 20th Anniversary) - while not spontaneous, these were unexpected by the audience
Is all of that spontaneous though, like throwing in covers such as the Freebird solo at the end of TTT or is that a rehearsed thing. I know, to the audience, it’s unexpected but if it’s planned, they can surely still do that type of thing with a click track if they chose to. They did change up Metropolis a bit on LALP, they changed up SDV on BTFW, there are some subtle differences on the new Blu-ray as well including Mangini’s ill-advised (imo) changes to the end of Finally Free.
I do accept they varied stuff from the studio versions more in the Portnoy era, especially early on. I’ve seen every tour from FII onwards and did appreciate them throwing in some cool extras but I didn’t get the impression they were things that they just decided off the cuff, they were planned things it seemed to me and they still played most of the stuff as it is on the record. I can’t point to them speeding up songs as I would not generally have noticed that at the time.
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Mangini kinda pretty much says that the band isn't what it used to be, in this video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7UlBm-iuP8
Jeez, he even said in that video that playing in the band these days is more of a job than anything. I get the sense that he doesn't have much fun playing in the band anymore.
I just heard him say he has a job to do.
Why do people assume that having a job to do is not having fun?
I don't know. That's not the impression I got from that interview.
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I saw DT a bunch of times though with Portnoy and never really noticed them doing too much off the cuff, it’s always been pretty much playing the song as it is on the album or occasionally a clearly rehearsed different version of the song like they did with The Killing Hand. It’s very rare in the later Portnoy years (post Scenes) they played some improvised stuff like Beyond This Life on LAB.
Here are examples that come to mind that happened occasionally (although there may be others that I'm forgetting):
• spontaneous covers tacked on to the end of songs (especially during Touring Into Infinity and the 98 Holiday shows)
• purposefully speeding up and/or slowing down sections of songs (AFiL during M2000, PMU during World Tourbulence)
• the jamming at the end of Take the Time (World Tourbulence, Black Clouds) and Metropolis (Prog Nation 2008, Black Clouds)
• stand alone improvs, as well as improv sections in Beyond This Life and To Live Forever (Train of Thought), and Solitary Shell (Black Clouds)
• the stretched out intros to Scarred (World Tourbulence, Chaos in Motion), Schmedley Wilcox (Chaos in Motion)
• the crazy show in Glasgow in 2000
• one off covers (Escape From the Studio, Train of Thought, 20th Anniversary) - while not spontaneous, these were unexpected by the audience
Is all of that spontaneous though, like throwing in covers such as the Freebird solo at the end of TTT or is that a rehearsed thing. I know, to the audience, it’s unexpected but if it’s planned, they can surely still do that type of thing with a click track if they chose to. They did change up Metropolis a bit on LALP, they changed up SDV on BTFW, there are some subtle differences on the new Blu-ray as well including Mangini’s ill-advised (imo) changes to the end of Finally Free.
I do accept they varied stuff from the studio versions more in the Portnoy era, especially early on. I’ve seen every tour from FII onwards and did appreciate them throwing in some cool extras but I didn’t get the impression they were things that they just decided off the cuff, they were planned things it seemed to me and they still played most of the stuff as it is on the record. I can’t point to them speeding up songs as I would not generally have noticed that at the time.
It's not necessarily that all of that was spontaneous. But now, NOTHING is spontaneous, and CANNOT BE spontaneous. They literally reproduce the CD.
If you aren't following a click, the performance can move and breathe, with the beat sometimes being sped up or slowed down, depending on a thousand different factors. That's what makes live performances so wonderful. I would much rather have those days back again with DT.
And before they went to the click, they had lighting guys manually doing the lighting changes. They knew the songs, and knew their queues for changes. They just wanted a bigger production, and decided that this was the way to get it. It's fine, but it could be better.
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Speaking of Beyond this Life, I wonder about that stretched live section - was it different every time, or there was a "template" that the band followed and, while the jam was strictly a diversion from the studio version, it was give or take played the same every time? or was it really random, as in, one show it lasts 6 minutes and the next evening it lasts 7 minutes and a half?
I'm sure it was planned beforehand, due to the curfew. So they had to have a template of an Arrangement, then under that arrangement, you can jam and add your own improv. Like ok, we'll jam this for 10 bars, and then switch to this for another 10, and then end on these last 5 bars repeated 4 times.
Most of that stuff was worked out in Soundcheck. Now I wonder, does the band do, full band soundchecks? Or is it just Mangini that doesn't soundcheck his drums?
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Speaking of Beyond this Life, I wonder about that stretched live section - was it different every time, or there was a "template" that the band followed and, while the jam was strictly a diversion from the studio version, it was give or take played the same every time? or was it really random, as in, one show it lasts 6 minutes and the next evening it lasts 7 minutes and a half?
I'm sure it was planned beforehand, due to the curfew. So they had to have a template of an Arrangement, then under that arrangement, you can jam and add your own improv. Like ok, we'll jam this for 10 bars, and then switch to this for another 10, and then end on these last 5 bars repeated 4 times.
Yeah, this makes totally sense. Knowing HOW LONG to go on, and be free within those pre-agreed extra time.
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Portnoy said in audio commentary that he had a 'silent cowbell' that only the band could hear, so they'd know know when to transition back into the song from a jam.
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I saw DT a bunch of times though with Portnoy and never really noticed them doing too much off the cuff, it’s always been pretty much playing the song as it is on the album or occasionally a clearly rehearsed different version of the song like they did with The Killing Hand. It’s very rare in the later Portnoy years (post Scenes) they played some improvised stuff like Beyond This Life on LAB.
Here are examples that come to mind that happened occasionally (although there may be others that I'm forgetting):
• spontaneous covers tacked on to the end of songs (especially during Touring Into Infinity and the 98 Holiday shows)
• purposefully speeding up and/or slowing down sections of songs (AFiL during M2000, PMU during World Tourbulence)
• the jamming at the end of Take the Time (World Tourbulence, Black Clouds) and Metropolis (Prog Nation 2008, Black Clouds)
• stand alone improvs, as well as improv sections in Beyond This Life and To Live Forever (Train of Thought), and Solitary Shell (Black Clouds)
• the stretched out intros to Scarred (World Tourbulence, Chaos in Motion), Schmedley Wilcox (Chaos in Motion)
• the crazy show in Glasgow in 2000
• one off covers (Escape From the Studio, Train of Thought, 20th Anniversary) - while not spontaneous, these were unexpected by the audience
Is all of that spontaneous though, like throwing in covers such as the Freebird solo at the end of TTT or is that a rehearsed thing. I know, to the audience, it’s unexpected but if it’s planned, they can surely still do that type of thing with a click track if they chose to. They did change up Metropolis a bit on LALP, they changed up SDV on BTFW, there are some subtle differences on the new Blu-ray as well including Mangini’s ill-advised (imo) changes to the end of Finally Free.
I do accept they varied stuff from the studio versions more in the Portnoy era, especially early on. I’ve seen every tour from FII onwards and did appreciate them throwing in some cool extras but I didn’t get the impression they were things that they just decided off the cuff, they were planned things it seemed to me and they still played most of the stuff as it is on the record. I can’t point to them speeding up songs as I would not generally have noticed that at the time.
It's not necessarily that all of that was spontaneous. But now, NOTHING is spontaneous, and CANNOT BE spontaneous. They literally reproduce the CD.
If you aren't following a click, the performance can move and breathe, with the beat sometimes being sped up or slowed down, depending on a thousand different factors. That's what makes live performances so wonderful. I would much rather have those days back again with DT.
And before they went to the click, they had lighting guys manually doing the lighting changes. They knew the songs, and knew their queues for changes. They just wanted a bigger production, and decided that this was the way to get it. It's fine, but it could be better.
I have to ask, and this goes to everyone, What does "Reproduce the cd" mean?
To me, Reproducing a cd, is what Babymetal does for their song [urhttps://youtu.be/GAngV880iO4]Megitsune[/url], The intro is a tape then the band plays the song, It sounds kind of weird live doing this song in the middle of the set, but it's still an awesome song. This is what "Reproducing the cd" means to me.
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To me, reproducing the CD means playing everything live as it was recorded. That excludes stuff like a bunch of harmonies, layers, instruments the band members can't play, or can't play at the same time as their primary instruments etc. I like to hear & see a band (especially a band like DT) pull it off live. That's the enjoyment I get out of a live performance.
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I wanna see the new DVD but I don't wanna buy it just yet.
It would be cool if this was on Netflix.
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I have to ask, and this goes to everyone, What does "Reproduce the cd" mean?
To me, Reproducing a cd, is what Babymetal does for their song [urhttps://youtu.be/GAngV880iO4]Megitsune[/url], The intro is a tape then the band plays the song, It sounds kind of weird live doing this song in the middle of the set, but it's still an awesome song. This is what "Reproducing the cd" means to me.
I don't know Babymetal, but "reproducing the CD" means the band plays every song EXACTLY like it is on the CD, not only the arrangement but the tempo and any other backing stuff that would be non-reproducable without backing tracks tied to a click.
It used to be that they would write and record the CD. Then they would rehearse before their tour, re-learning how to play stuff, and sometimes there were things on the studio version that would be difficult or impossible to do live, and those things were often sacrificed, and that's OK, because they were performing live, and the live version wasn't the CD version. But now, the only difference between the two is that they are standing in front of you.
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But DT is not alone in this at all. There are bands I've seen for years where the same happens. It can't be helped if you want multimedia all the time. You almost need the click to make it all happen. (Again, non-musician talking here.)
Here's where it got good in the Mangini vid I posted. He said that the Lights, and Video Screens, are all connected and set to the click. Mangini, before the tour begins, works with the production team to set the Click Tracks for the tour, so that the lights and video screens can all be in sync. Now, is it possible to change the tempo of the entire click track of a song on the fly? Does this then, make all the video and lighting sync up to that tempo? Like they play the first show of the tour and find it to be a bit too slow, or too fast, and then change it on the next stop and so on, until it's at a good tempo for the rest of the tour.
Dream Theater shows, now, are productions. They pre-produce, the tour, and decide the setlist, then the lighting, video, stage set-up, to go with that setlist. It's the same thing Iron Maiden does with their Stage Set Up. The only difference is when a "Video Screen" is involved, and how intricate the "Video Production" on that screen is. You can have a video screen that all you have on the screen is "Visualizations" that go along with the music, like Fractals and those kind of things. With the Along For The Ride Tour, they seemed more looser in the click tracks, as the videos weren't that intricate then. But for The Astonishing and Distant Memories, you had really intricate video productions on those screens, and a click track helps with the timing immensely. The high production of The Astonishing tour, was I think a reason why they toned it down for the I&W&B tour and didn't bother with the video screens. When that happened, it opened up a hell of a lot more venues for them to play, as the screens take up a lot of space. Also, they didn't plan for it to grow into a worldwide tour either, hence the small production.
Dream Theater shows back then, weren't produced as high as they are now. I feel, if DT decides not to do a big "Video Production" and just bring them and the lights, like the I&W&B tour, people would enjoy that more as it would then allow them the freedom to not have to be as in sync to a video and lights, which they did do with all the extended intros and outros of the I&W songs, along with throwing in a JM Bass Solo cover.
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I have to ask, and this goes to everyone, What does "Reproduce the cd" mean?
To me, Reproducing a cd, is what Babymetal does for their song [urhttps://youtu.be/GAngV880iO4]Megitsune[/url], The intro is a tape then the band plays the song, It sounds kind of weird live doing this song in the middle of the set, but it's still an awesome song. This is what "Reproducing the cd" means to me.
I don't know Babymetal, but "reproducing the CD" means the band plays every song EXACTLY like it is on the CD, not only the arrangement but the tempo and any other backing stuff that would be non-reproducable without backing tracks tied to a click.
It used to be that they would write and record the CD. Then they would rehearse before their tour, re-learning how to play stuff, and sometimes there were things on the studio version that would be difficult or impossible to do live, and those things were often sacrificed, and that's OK, because they were performing live, and the live version wasn't the CD version. But now, the only difference between the two is that they are standing in front of you.
OK, I understand that explanation. It's a reasonable one too. I do not mind that at all, nor do I care either. It then goes to why do you go see a band play live, and why you go to a live show? People have many different reasons for why they do.
But look at it this way too. Less Extended outros, and all that extra stuff, means one more song on the setlist. Bands only have so much time to work with. And that all depends on how the bands/creators want to present the next tour.
I do prefer bands not playing to clicks, actually.
But I was actually surprised MP didn't do the backing vocals at all on Prophets of War live. Those were backing tracks.
I don't know, I just find it interesting, how it's like people can't accept the fact that this is what Dream Theater is now. It is what it is, and you can keep moaning about it, but it's not going to change the bands perspective on it.
I accept that fact, go to the show, and enjoy the music. The reason I went to this one was to see the DoT songs, and what they may play in the set. They then played ANTR and ITPOE pt.1. Two songs, I wanted to hear, and then also, the SFAM set, which was amazing in itself, and when am I going to get the opportunity again to hear them play Through Her Eyes, Finally Free, and One Last Time. When I go to a show, I try and not to expect the songs to be like the album, nor do I expect them to stray from the album, I do not have an pre-conceived notion on how the band will decide to play the songs. First and foremost, I am there to see the band present their songs however they want to present it to the world at the time. I can compare it to the past renditions, but this is how they wanted to present it now, and I decided to go and witness it. I didn't have to, but I did, and I risk it being either a great show or a trainwreck and the band couldn't play worth a damn.
Dream Theater, is musically, fantastic live. But, is suffering in the vocals department, live. As much, as we don't like it, it may end up vastly having an effect on the setlist, if the band were to take JLB's vocal capabilites into consideration, as most of these songs don't suit JLB's voice anymore, or it's harder for JLB to keep the melody or rhythm. But one problem with JLB is his enunciation. But, It's not me who is saying this stuff. I actually enjoy JLB's voice, and don't think he is bad at all on Distant Memories. His vocal style has changed a lot from back in the Budakon days, especially from touring and working with Ayreon and other projects. I think one think that JLB could benefit from is more rest between stops, like maybe doing 2 shows back to back, then resting, then a show, then rest, then 2 back to back. Touring does take a toll, but who am I to say what they should do :lol
It's also why I love Along For The Ride. "I Believe we're along for the ride."
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There is nothing about playing to a click track that requires them to stick to the album tempos or arrangements. They would just need to update the click track programming to match the new tempo(s) or other changes. They could even "pause" the click for improv sections, if so desired.
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I saw DT a bunch of times though with Portnoy and never really noticed them doing too much off the cuff, it’s always been pretty much playing the song as it is on the album or occasionally a clearly rehearsed different version of the song like they did with The Killing Hand. It’s very rare in the later Portnoy years (post Scenes) they played some improvised stuff like Beyond This Life on LAB.
Here are examples that come to mind that happened occasionally (although there may be others that I'm forgetting):
• spontaneous covers tacked on to the end of songs (especially during Touring Into Infinity and the 98 Holiday shows)
• purposefully speeding up and/or slowing down sections of songs (AFiL during M2000, PMU during World Tourbulence)
• the jamming at the end of Take the Time (World Tourbulence, Black Clouds) and Metropolis (Prog Nation 2008, Black Clouds)
• stand alone improvs, as well as improv sections in Beyond This Life and To Live Forever (Train of Thought), and Solitary Shell (Black Clouds)
• the stretched out intros to Scarred (World Tourbulence, Chaos in Motion), Schmedley Wilcox (Chaos in Motion)
• the crazy show in Glasgow in 2000
• one off covers (Escape From the Studio, Train of Thought, 20th Anniversary) - while not spontaneous, these were unexpected by the audience
Is all of that spontaneous though, like throwing in covers such as the Freebird solo at the end of TTT or is that a rehearsed thing. I know, to the audience, it’s unexpected but if it’s planned, they can surely still do that type of thing with a click track if they chose to. They did change up Metropolis a bit on LALP, they changed up SDV on BTFW, there are some subtle differences on the new Blu-ray as well including Mangini’s ill-advised (imo) changes to the end of Finally Free.
I do accept they varied stuff from the studio versions more in the Portnoy era, especially early on. I’ve seen every tour from FII onwards and did appreciate them throwing in some cool extras but I didn’t get the impression they were things that they just decided off the cuff, they were planned things it seemed to me and they still played most of the stuff as it is on the record. I can’t point to them speeding up songs as I would not generally have noticed that at the time.
It's not necessarily that all of that was spontaneous. But now, NOTHING is spontaneous, and CANNOT BE spontaneous. They literally reproduce the CD.
If you aren't following a click, the performance can move and breathe, with the beat sometimes being sped up or slowed down, depending on a thousand different factors. That's what makes live performances so wonderful. I would much rather have those days back again with DT.
And before they went to the click, they had lighting guys manually doing the lighting changes. They knew the songs, and knew their queues for changes. They just wanted a bigger production, and decided that this was the way to get it. It's fine, but it could be better.
Mangini’s drumming on Finally Free is not just reproducing the cd. Jordan’s stuff on the keytar is not just reproducing the cd. Petrucci does some additional guitar stuff on TSCO which is not on the cd.
I do get that the click restricts off the cuff spontaneity, just saying that they weren’t all that spontaneous anyway.
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Mangini’s drumming on Finally Free is not just reproducing the cd. Jordan’s stuff on the keytar is not just reproducing the cd. Petrucci does some additional guitar stuff on TSCO which is not on the cd.
*sighs*
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I think they sound a bit more mechanical because of Mangini. Nothing wrong with that, my favorite drummer is Neil Peart and he is mechanical and precise in his playing like Mangini. Portnoy had a swing to him, he played a bit looser. at least, that's my take.
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Dream Theater shows, now, are productions. They pre-produce, the tour, and decide the setlist, then the lighting, video, stage set-up, to go with that setlist. It's the same thing Iron Maiden does with their Stage Set Up.
You can have production values, but still have it be a full on concert without a click track. That's what Maiden does. OTOH, DT is more of a show or as Cram said, theater now.
Dream Theater shows back then, weren't produced as high as they are now. I feel, if DT decides not to do a big "Video Production" and just bring them and the lights, like the I&W&B tour, people would enjoy that more as it would then allow them the freedom to not have to be as in sync to a video and lights, which they did do with all the extended intros and outros of the I&W songs, along with throwing in a JM Bass Solo cover.
Except even on that tour (without video to worry about) they *still* used a click track. :facepalm:
I do get that the click restricts off the cuff spontaneity, just saying that they weren’t all that spontaneous anyway.
As spontaneous as Frank Zappa, the Grateful Dead or Jordan on his solo tour? No. But they were much more spontaneous than they are now. And there are many of us that miss that part of the band.
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Most of that stuff was worked out in Soundcheck. Now I wonder, does the band do, full band soundchecks? Or is it just Mangini that doesn't soundcheck his drums?
The times I have seen them sound check on recent tours, the instrumentalists come out at different times and check their instruments, and then they may run through some stuff together, but it is generally short. And then James comes out after and does his sound check for singing.
I think that, because things are so dialed in by the techs, and they have been evening-with shows on the last few tours without an opener to worry about, they keep the sound checks pretty short. And the ones I have seen are usually just running through parts of a couple of songs from the set that they want to warm up on. And I say "generally," because they ran through 137 at sound check at the SF show on the first leg of the d/t tour, which had me thinking it was going to be played. :lol (As I recall, Mangini was grooving along, and went into the basic intro drumbeat for a few bars, and then the rest of the band joined in, and they just played it) And that wasn't the only fakeout during that sound check.
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I've seen DT...14 times. The first was during the FII tour, the last was the DoT tour in March 2019. And while many of you no doubt have seen them more, I have always felt that the band had more energy with Portnoy.
Funny how different our perspectives are. I've seen DT about as many times as you starting with SFAM and I think almost every show I've seen post-Mangini has been more energetic than every show I saw before him.
Looking at old vids, there's an argument to be made that they've never had as much energy as they had up until Awake but seeing bootlegs, official vids, etc of FII, those performances seemed pretty low energy comparatively. SFAM had it's moments as did every tour after that but overall the band seemed to have less energy.
Sure James isn't sprinting across the stage. JM doesn't flail around. Portnoy isn't around to do that stand up drumming thing but overall they have more energy in the last decade than in the previous decade plus.
Also, in the 14ish times I've seen DT, I've never once seen them just try to recreate the CD. Such a weird argument.
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I've seen DT...14 times. The first was during the FII tour, the last was the DoT tour in March 2019. And while many of you no doubt have seen them more, I have always felt that the band had more energy with Portnoy. I'm not a musician. I sing, but it has been eons since I've been on stage performing, and even then, it was dive bars. So I don't pretend to know what goes into a production of the magnitude DT puts on.
The click track (which if memory served Portnoy hated to play with, and I think refused [check me on that if not accurate] to play with) really seems to make performances way more sterile. It doesn't mean that ALL bands who use one end up sterile, but it does IMO with Dream Theater because while the performance is great, the nature and complexity of DT's music has the musicians and the fans more paying attention to what's being played rather than vibing off the playing, if that makes sense.
The theater situation doesn't help. My favorite two Dream Theater shows were the 1998 holiday show at Irving Plaza in NYC, and the Feb. 2000 Metropolis PT. 2 show at...I think it was Roseland. Both were GA. Both totally different vibes. But both had an amazing connection between the band and the audience. You FELT the connection (I sure did on the latter, I got swept up during "Home" by the pit and ended up on the other side of the venue). Those were just intense feelings.
With Mangini, I have been told the band now uses click tracks all the time, and only are in theaters so there are seats. And while the old fogey that I have become enjoys the seats, and the performances are really tight, and its a great "show," it's very different experience. Not worse, but certainly not the same vibe that I had from the band in the shows I saw from 1998-2010 (or whenever MP left).
But DT is not alone in this at all. There are bands I've seen for years where the same happens. It can't be helped if you want multimedia all the time. You almost need the click to make it all happen. (Again, non-musician talking here.)
Sam, I totally understand. Unfortunately the energy of those early club shows can be tough to replicate this far in their career, especially in the seated venues.
But I just posted the following in the Holiday Spirit Carries On Thread...
A lot of conversation on DTF revolves around with MP and without MP.
Playing to a click track....I don't care. They blow my mind playing their instruments live.
Personally I think the improvisations are a bit too romanticized...
Beyond This Life '04. Yawn.
Surrounded '07? The intro was nice, but why would I ever care to hear some lame Marillion song tacked onto the end.
Solitary Shell '09? Puleeze. Trying a it too hard. Play another damn song instead.
MM is easily as engaging with his bandmates and with the crowd as MP ever was. So I never understand the criticisms of their live show, other than the canned backing vocals.
But what IS MISSING are the little extras like The Holiday Spirit Carries ON. I thought they knocked it out with the Happy Holidays 2013 CD, but it's been fucking crickets since then as far as anything extra.
Every band releases really good albums and plays really good concerts. What made MP Era DT different were the little extras that made the fan feel special.
This track is a really nice and welcomed surprise.
Meaning I feel like the (as you and many others have mentioned) "sterile" live shows are really just an allegory for the sterilization of the band in general. It's basically album/tour/break/album/tour/break, and while that's not much different than it was before, gone are the Fan Clubs gifts, the Ytsejam Boots, etc..
Every band makes albums and tour. Now of course JP, JR, MM, and James have great personalities and their interviews are generally fun and good natured, but it just feels like it's all about product.
They have made some great albums post MP, and I totally appreciate the undertaking that is The Astonishing, but there's just nothing going on on the sidelines.
There was a thread this summer where the Spotify CEO mentioned that bands have to stay engaged with their fans. MP really understood this. Unfortunately it didn't rub off on JP (maybe it's not fair to lay it at JP's feet, but it feels like he's running the show now...).
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And I say "generally," because they ran through 137 at sound check at the SF show on the first leg of the d/t tour, which had me thinking it was going to be played. :lol (As I recall, Mangini was grooving along, and went into the basic intro drumbeat for a few bars, and then the rest of the band joined in, and they just played it) And that wasn't the only fakeout during that sound check.
They toy with you :lol would be so cool to just see the band jamming or playing without people watching so you see them being more natural and organic.
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Dream Theater shows, now, are productions. They pre-produce, the tour, and decide the setlist, then the lighting, video, stage set-up, to go with that setlist. It's the same thing Iron Maiden does with their Stage Set Up.
You can have production values, but still have it be a full on concert without a click track. That's what Maiden does. OTOH, DT is more of a show or as Cram said, theater now.
But they don't have video.
Dream Theater shows back then, weren't produced as high as they are now. I feel, if DT decides not to do a big "Video Production" and just bring them and the lights, like the I&W&B tour, people would enjoy that more as it would then allow them the freedom to not have to be as in sync to a video and lights, which they did do with all the extended intros and outros of the I&W songs, along with throwing in a JM Bass Solo cover.
Except even on that tour (without video to worry about) they *still* used a click track. :facepalm:
I did not say Dream Theater are not using click tracks on that tour. I said those click tracks are not in sync to a video, and one less thing to worry about, and it's a lot easier to turn off the Click, and play with the lights manually.
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And I say "generally," because they ran through 137 at sound check at the SF show on the first leg of the d/t tour, which had me thinking it was going to be played. :lol (As I recall, Mangini was grooving along, and went into the basic intro drumbeat for a few bars, and then the rest of the band joined in, and they just played it) And that wasn't the only fakeout during that sound check.
They toy with you :lol
:lol I don't think either thing was intentional. The way the 137 jam unfolded, it just kinda happened. The other "fakeout" was the video guy messing with some things onscreen, and at one point, he had Octavarium artwork up there. So I assumed from that that it was something they were going to use for the show, which led me to believe there would be an Octavarium song in the set. (it was very early in the tour, and I had avoided reading about the set list prior to my show)
Dream Theater shows, now, are productions. They pre-produce, the tour, and decide the setlist, then the lighting, video, stage set-up, to go with that setlist. It's the same thing Iron Maiden does with their Stage Set Up.
You can have production values, but still have it be a full on concert without a click track. That's what Maiden does. OTOH, DT is more of a show or as Cram said, theater now.
But they don't have video.
Dream Theater shows back then, weren't produced as high as they are now. I feel, if DT decides not to do a big "Video Production" and just bring them and the lights, like the I&W&B tour, people would enjoy that more as it would then allow them the freedom to not have to be as in sync to a video and lights, which they did do with all the extended intros and outros of the I&W songs, along with throwing in a JM Bass Solo cover.
Except even on that tour (without video to worry about) they *still* used a click track. :facepalm:
I did not say Dream Theater are not using click tracks on that tour. I said those click tracks are not in sync to a video, and one less thing to worry about, and it's a lot easier to turn off the Click, and play with the lights manually.
It's not just the video and lights. It's that AND the backing track.
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And I say "generally," because they ran through 137 at sound check at the SF show on the first leg of the d/t tour, which had me thinking it was going to be played. :lol (As I recall, Mangini was grooving along, and went into the basic intro drumbeat for a few bars, and then the rest of the band joined in, and they just played it) And that wasn't the only fakeout during that sound check.
They toy with you :lol
:lol I don't think either thing was intentional. The way the 137 jam unfolded, it just kinda happened. The other "fakeout" was the video guy messing with some things onscreen, and at one point, he had Octavarium artwork up there. So I assumed from that that it was something they were going to use for the show, which led me to believe there would be an Octavarium song in the set. (it was very early in the tour, and I had avoided reading about the set list prior to my show)
Dream Theater shows, now, are productions. They pre-produce, the tour, and decide the setlist, then the lighting, video, stage set-up, to go with that setlist. It's the same thing Iron Maiden does with their Stage Set Up.
You can have production values, but still have it be a full on concert without a click track. That's what Maiden does. OTOH, DT is more of a show or as Cram said, theater now.
But they don't have video.
Dream Theater shows back then, weren't produced as high as they are now. I feel, if DT decides not to do a big "Video Production" and just bring them and the lights, like the I&W&B tour, people would enjoy that more as it would then allow them the freedom to not have to be as in sync to a video and lights, which they did do with all the extended intros and outros of the I&W songs, along with throwing in a JM Bass Solo cover.
Except even on that tour (without video to worry about) they *still* used a click track. :facepalm:
I did not say Dream Theater are not using click tracks on that tour. I said those click tracks are not in sync to a video, and one less thing to worry about, and it's a lot easier to turn off the Click, and play with the lights manually.
It's not just the video and lights. It's that AND the backing track.
I know that, I posted that video. :biggrin:
But I don't know what you guys are trying to argue with me...
I pointed out exactly why Dream Theater, is using them, with Mangini's videos. He told us all straight up, why they use them.
I am not upset that the band is using them. It's not a big deal as many of you are making it out to be.
I don't want it to happen, but I am interested in seeing what the band would do if the entire click track system ended up failing, or more know what their backup is, incase something were to occur like that.
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Meaning I feel like the (as you and many others have mentioned) "sterile" live shows are really just an allegory for the sterilization of the band in general. It's basically album/tour/break/album/tour/break, and while that's not much different than it was before, gone are the Fan Clubs gifts, the Ytsejam Boots, etc..
Don't forget the rotating setlists! ;)
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Meaning I feel like the (as you and many others have mentioned) "sterile" live shows are really just an allegory for the sterilization of the band in general. It's basically album/tour/break/album/tour/break, and while that's not much different than it was before, gone are the Fan Clubs gifts, the Ytsejam Boots, etc..
Don't forget the rotating setlists! ;)
I was going to mention that, along with the collecting of bootlegs, but I didn't want to make my post any wordier than it was already. The greatest thing about the rotating setlists was collecting boots, and hearing all of the different songs in a tour's master list. It was engaging.
Like signing into MP.Com each morning to see what they played the night before, like checking your favorite team's scores.
I was lucky seeing shows in Boston, because other than Gigantour, we generally got really good setlists. So I can't complain. But we all know that all setlists were not created equal.
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Meaning I feel like the (as you and many others have mentioned) "sterile" live shows are really just an allegory for the sterilization of the band in general. It's basically album/tour/break/album/tour/break, and while that's not much different than it was before, gone are the Fan Clubs gifts, the Ytsejam Boots, etc..
Don't forget the rotating setlists! ;)
I was going to mention that, along with the collecting of bootlegs, but I didn't want to make my post any wordier than it was already. The greatest thing about the rotating setlists was collecting boots, and hearing all of the different songs in a tour's master list. It was engaging.
Like signing into MP.Com each morning to see what they played the night before, like checking your favorite team's scores.
I was lucky seeing shows in Boston, because other than Gigantour, we generally got really good setlists. So I can't complain. But we all know that all setlists were not created equal.
I don't know how many times I have heard Pull Me Under, live. Along with panic attack. Out of the shows I saw, locally, these were the setlists.
July 30th, 2005 (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2005/journal-pavilion-albuquerque-nm-43d6d3d3.html)
June 16th 2010 (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2010/hard-rock-casino-albuquerque-presents-the-pavilion-albuquerque-nm-13d41d19.html)
I didn't see these ones, as I didn't become a big Dream Theater fan yet, and was barely starting my concert experience:
August 14th, 2002 (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2002/journal-pavilion-albuquerque-nm-13d6cd15.html)
September 13th, 2004 (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2004/sandia-casino-albuquerque-nm-6bd6d2e6.html) (I really wish I went to this one. My god what a set)
These are just the MP sets. I also saw them 2 times in Denver, 1 in Irving TX , and 1 in Mesa AZ, but these are MM sets. Out of those 4 I saw Pull Me Under, twice.
So I haven't really had a vast set difference, at all. Compared to the shows you guys get on the east coast.
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Yea, here on the east coast we'd get a couple shows and they'd be different sets. Back to back nights in NYC from the 2008 tour were two totally different sets in a GA venue with surprises which differed slightly from the first DT show I saw in 2007 but on the same Systematic Chaos tour.
But I don't know what you guys are trying to argue with me...
Not arguing at all, just sharing my opinion on what I wish the band would do. There's merits to the click and I know why they choose to use it.
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Yea, here on the east coast we'd get a couple shows and they'd be different sets. Back to back nights in NYC from the 2008 tour were two totally different sets in a GA venue with surprises which differed slightly from the first DT show I saw in 2007 but on the same Systematic Chaos tour.
But I don't know what you guys are trying to argue with me...
Not arguing at all, just sharing my opinion on what I wish the band would do. There's merits to the click and I know why they choose to use it.
:tup :tup
I guess I am just Jelly of you guys and all the great shows available to you all. :lol
I kind of wish the band would go back to no click too, but not enough to not make me want to see the band live.
What I do really wish and hope the band should do this next tour, and is much needed, and possibly could be agreed by Many of us, is making the setlist an open set. Meaning, any song is open to being included. No Themes, No Anniversary sets, No covers (well, maybe), and No Pull Me Under (Unless, it's in a place they have never been, every place deserves that song at least once).
If they announce the new tour will include a set like this, and a rotating A,B,C sets like the ADTOE tour. I would do my best to not see the sets, and possibly see the many shows of those sets, if they don't rotate them in some odd pattern just for fun (like A,B,A,C,B,C,C,A,B)
I tried my best to go into the D/T tour without seeing the set, but caved the night before. I was kind of buzzed then as well when I saw it. But I just got more hyped, as it was the next day anyways. I actually forgot the order when I got to the venue. You should've seen my face though when I saw Pull Me Under as the encore (It looked like that Shrek Meme). Which is why I went to Mesa last year, just to see At Wit's End. :lol
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I'm really curious how bands will be even able to tour in the future, if things open back up like the old days then there's going to be a lot of bands touring and competing in some ways. So many bands have done things like play live streams of really old or rare tunes to engage their audiences. DT so far have not, but it would be cool if they announced a tour around performing different sets each night. Even if they only played songs MM has already performed live, there's a lot of songs to choose from.
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I watched the DVD last night. Can't quite believe it was only February this year I went to those shows, seems a lifetime ago.
There's a close up of a guy in the audience, some hideous, fat, bald ugly bastard. You know the one, the one who looks like he's been taken there by the Make-a-Wish people, the one you all looked at and laughed and thought "Ha ha ha! look at that poor fat ugly sod!"
So I saw him, and thought "Ha ha ha! look at that poor fat ugly sod!"
Then I thought "He's wearing the same shirt I was wearing..."
Then the penny dropped...
So yes, it's rendered the entire DVD unwatchable for me.
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Wow :lol
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I made a Spotify playlist of the Mangini-era DT songs that have live releases (basically only from BTFW and DM, LALP is not available on Spotify), alternated them, and actually ended up with a nice concert. :biggrin:
Dream Theater NOW (https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0lvsVOPPdR1xUxBWGDv6q0?si=ycW7GV3IS92kzFla4bU67Q)
The Enemy Inside (BTFW)
Untethered Angel (DM)
On The Backs Of Angels (BTFW)
Paralyzed (DM)
The Looking Glass (BTFW)
Fall Into The Light (DM)
Enigma Machine (BTFW)
Barstool Warrior (DM)
Along For The Ride (BTFW)
Pal Blue Dot (DM)
Breaking All Illusions (BTFW)
At Wit's End (DM)
Illumination Theory (BTFW)
1 hour 48 minutes. Good enough for a concert with a front act. :metal
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As spontaneous as Frank Zappa, the Grateful Dead or Jordan on his solo tour? No. But they were much more spontaneous than they are now. And there are many of us that miss that part of the band.
I feel the same way, the only thing that turns me off to seeing them live is basically this. Why should I watch the show, when youtube is filled with videos and performances of the same playlist..not to mention that is the main reason that I won't purchase Distant Memories..they just don't give me enough reasons to buy it, as much I want to support these guys..
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By making a show run through a tool like ProTools, the benefit is everything is already pre programmed - there is no need to worry about pressing the right button to trigger whatever video or backing track or whatever - and when you're doing 100 shows a year this is removal of one potential headache. They want to deliver a specific show.
This is my only misgiving about post-Portnoy DT.
They don't do 100 shows. They do 1 show 100 times. There is no difference from night to night, it's all the same. No unique performances, no extended solos, no live magic. The show I get in Raleigh is EXACTLY the show that people get in NYC or Chicago, down to to the runtime.
Still very impressive, and I love to see it, but I would much prefer to see them ditch the backing tracks and click.
100% agree
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By making a show run through a tool like ProTools, the benefit is everything is already pre programmed - there is no need to worry about pressing the right button to trigger whatever video or backing track or whatever - and when you're doing 100 shows a year this is removal of one potential headache. They want to deliver a specific show.
The problem is, the band become slaves to the machines, instead of the other way around, which is not what a live concert is about. A live concert is about being in the moment - performing in front of an audience in real time. If they feel it's necessary to use a crutch like taped backing vocals, then at least be willing to trigger them as if they were being performed live.
Why argue this issue in the first place? Because by sticking to the click, their performances are more wooden or rigid, which again is not what live performance is all about. I think what Neil Peart said regarding the issue sums it up quite nicely:
Until the Clockwork Angels tour I had never used a click track live, except once years ago to stay in sync with a rear-screen film. For this tour it was helpful because we had eight string players in the Clockwork Angels String Ensemble, and they sometimes needed it when I wasn't playing. Even in certain passages when I was playing, it helped us all to stay together.
I was also required to stay in tempo with some long, legato sequences of keyboard or vocal effects, and the tambo-click helped with that, too. Even so, I am glad to say that the click appears in only a tiny percentage of the show, and only when absolutely necessary - or at least, "absolutely helpful."
On most songs, I prefer to hold it together myself, and let the band be a living, breathing organism that can push and pull naturally. These days many bands perform to a preprogrammed basic track, often a computerized software program. We always resisted that rigidity.
If only JP would follow his WWRD mantra here...
Danny Carey from Tool has the exact same sentiment and you can tell when you go to there shows they are playing to a click. They feed off the energy of the show and some songs are sped up but fit perfectly in the moment.
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Watched this the other day. Great performances, and overall enjoyed a lot.
However, (for the first time?), there were no surprises at ALL that I can think of. No drum/guitar/keyboard solos, no extended instrumentals, not a great deal of crowd interaction. And the so called "behind the scenes" was extremely disappointing - it was more like an extended trailer than anything that offered any behind the scenes info.
This was a bit of shame as I saw the Images and Words & Beyond tour and I thought they were starting to bring this stuff back more.
You had the funny stories from the album, the bass solo cover, the enter sandman surprise snippet, Liquid tension cover, extended intros/outros, rare songs. It was really brilliant in this regard.
It also felt a bit rushed at times between songs with no room to breathe. Most noticable was after Finally Free it IMMEDIATELY goes to the encore At Wit's End. I would have liked a bit of crowd feedback etc here to get that live feeling/anticipation of the encore.
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This was a bit of shame as I saw the Images and Words & Beyond tour and I thought they were starting to bring this stuff back more.
You had the funny stories from the album, the bass solo cover, the enter sandman surprise snippet, Liquid tension cover, extended intros/outros, rare songs. It was really brilliant in this regard.
I agree, I have to say that that tour was the perfect blend between their current preferences for the live show (big production and click track) and the spontaneity / fun side of a more loose performance.
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Man, this discussion got really clickie. I wonder what Richard Chycki would have to say?
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:lol that's a heavy lift
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By making a show run through a tool like ProTools, the benefit is everything is already pre programmed - there is no need to worry about pressing the right button to trigger whatever video or backing track or whatever - and when you're doing 100 shows a year this is removal of one potential headache. They want to deliver a specific show.
The problem is, the band become slaves to the machines, instead of the other way around, which is not what a live concert is about. A live concert is about being in the moment - performing in front of an audience in real time. If they feel it's necessary to use a crutch like taped backing vocals, then at least be willing to trigger them as if they were being performed live.
Why argue this issue in the first place? Because by sticking to the click, their performances are more wooden or rigid, which again is not what live performance is all about. I think what Neil Peart said regarding the issue sums it up quite nicely:
Until the Clockwork Angels tour I had never used a click track live, except once years ago to stay in sync with a rear-screen film. For this tour it was helpful because we had eight string players in the Clockwork Angels String Ensemble, and they sometimes needed it when I wasn't playing. Even in certain passages when I was playing, it helped us all to stay together.
I was also required to stay in tempo with some long, legato sequences of keyboard or vocal effects, and the tambo-click helped with that, too. Even so, I am glad to say that the click appears in only a tiny percentage of the show, and only when absolutely necessary - or at least, "absolutely helpful."
On most songs, I prefer to hold it together myself, and let the band be a living, breathing organism that can push and pull naturally. These days many bands perform to a preprogrammed basic track, often a computerized software program. We always resisted that rigidity.
If only JP would follow his WWRD mantra here...
Danny Carey from Tool has the exact same sentiment and you can tell when you go to there shows they are playing to a click. They feed off the energy of the show and some songs are sped up but fit perfectly in the moment.
Did you mean to say Tool does not play to a click track?
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I watched the DVD last night. Can't quite believe it was only February this year I went to those shows, seems a lifetime ago.
There's a close up of a guy in the audience, some hideous, fat, bald ugly bastard. You know the one, the one who looks like he's been taken there by the Make-a-Wish people, the one you all looked at and laughed and thought "Ha ha ha! look at that poor fat ugly sod!"
So I saw him, and thought "Ha ha ha! look at that poor fat ugly sod!"
Then I thought "He's wearing the same shirt I was wearing..."
Then the penny dropped...
So yes, it's rendered the entire DVD unwatchable for me.
That's brilliant. I laughed, sorry :lol
I've heard from a couple of people that I'm obviously recognisable at one point but given that we're only watching a couple of songs at a time, I might not get to see before Christmas! Spied us a few times already, though, after three songs (was in the second row both nights, stage left then right).
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The click track is still a good solution to avoid f*cking up :D
Apparently there are many things happening remotely and linked to the click track and automations, like background stuff and even JP sound changes !
In the end, isn't it just being modern musician ? :)
I don't really regret the full click track thing, as a musician I love my music TIGHT and they are live.
It may lack a little improv or jam here and there, but it's a detail.
Basically that's exactly what Muse did, and the shows are way less crazy. But main difference being I don't enjoy their latest albums...
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By making a show run through a tool like ProTools, the benefit is everything is already pre programmed - there is no need to worry about pressing the right button to trigger whatever video or backing track or whatever - and when you're doing 100 shows a year this is removal of one potential headache. They want to deliver a specific show.
The problem is, the band become slaves to the machines, instead of the other way around, which is not what a live concert is about. A live concert is about being in the moment - performing in front of an audience in real time. If they feel it's necessary to use a crutch like taped backing vocals, then at least be willing to trigger them as if they were being performed live.
Why argue this issue in the first place? Because by sticking to the click, their performances are more wooden or rigid, which again is not what live performance is all about. I think what Neil Peart said regarding the issue sums it up quite nicely:
Until the Clockwork Angels tour I had never used a click track live, except once years ago to stay in sync with a rear-screen film. For this tour it was helpful because we had eight string players in the Clockwork Angels String Ensemble, and they sometimes needed it when I wasn't playing. Even in certain passages when I was playing, it helped us all to stay together.
I was also required to stay in tempo with some long, legato sequences of keyboard or vocal effects, and the tambo-click helped with that, too. Even so, I am glad to say that the click appears in only a tiny percentage of the show, and only when absolutely necessary - or at least, "absolutely helpful."
On most songs, I prefer to hold it together myself, and let the band be a living, breathing organism that can push and pull naturally. These days many bands perform to a preprogrammed basic track, often a computerized software program. We always resisted that rigidity.
If only JP would follow his WWRD mantra here...
Danny Carey from Tool has the exact same sentiment and you can tell when you go to there shows they are playing to a click. They feed off the energy of the show and some songs are sped up but fit perfectly in the moment.
Did you mean to say Tool does not play to a click track?
No, not even on studio albums.
I don't have anything against bands using click live, also depends on the type of music. However, I'm a sucker for a performance like LSFNY, just raw power and organic energy-driven tempo. It feels right.
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In my comment right afterwards the Amsterdam show last january i was already worried about this:
'For me, much more than the JLB thing, DT has to take in account their (over)mechanical performance and sound. Especially in their new stuff. There seem to be an intended difference in stage sound production between DOT songs and SFAM. DOT sounded like a brickwalled production and SFAM much more dynamic, like the sound engineer was changing presets.
For me it was the first time seeing DT as a machine and it bothered me. Very well oiled, big horsepower. But in no time out of sight as well. I want to see a band with a heart, not a machine. And I never had that feeling this strong and hopefully it is just me....
I hope they will try to get a little bit more loose on the production of the show in the near future. Purification Please.
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I've seen them on three MP era tours with that looser approach and I mostly hated that approach. I'm relived things are the way they are now.
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Not sure why, but this release didn't get me super excited. Maybe I had enough of different versions of SFAM. Live in New York and 4th Wall was good enough. The first set isn't maybe my favourite either with Nightmare being a 50% good song.
Listening to Spotify I am genuinely surprised how good this was! The sound is really nice and heavy. I think LaBrie sounds really good actually. Some good work on the effects and there's some small additions he does that I like. In Nightmare he sings the part "I am endlessly falling, lost in this wonderful miserYY" with some falsetto (maybe?!) on the Y. I really loved that ;D This was really a good version of Nightmare!
SFAM is a fantastic album and even if this sadly doesn't change or add anything special to the songs they are executed perfectly! They sound great and will be enjoyable side by side with the original cd. However I wish they would add or change some parts more since that was always such a great part of DT performances!
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This was a bit of shame as I saw the Images and Words & Beyond tour and I thought they were starting to bring this stuff back more.
You had the funny stories from the album, the bass solo cover, the enter sandman surprise snippet, Liquid tension cover, extended intros/outros, rare songs. It was really brilliant in this regard.
The IW&B tour was the best I've seen them in many a year, I'd hoped it was going to be a new start after the clinical Astonishing shows, but I guess not. Shame we never got that Back to Budokan DVD we were promised, that would have rocked.
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Really enjoying this new release! The band is really tight, the mix sounds great and the video looks amazing with all the live production they used for this tour, and I'm even in love with MM's smaller drum kit, which I thought at first would look weird on a proper live release.
I would've loved to see a couple more D/T songs or maybe ITPOE in full, but other than that, this is :metal :metal :metal
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I would've loved to see a couple more D/T songs or maybe ITPOE in full, but other than that, this is :metal :metal :metal
I'd totally remove SFAM to see a live performance of ITPOE in full, among other things. Not that Scenes wasn't awesome, but the full version of ITPOE is a very tempting offer.
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I really liked this new release. Of course, I really love Scenes, so how could I not? Since they played it nearly identical to the album, the biggest things that stood out to me were James' & Mangini's variations throughout. The end of Finally Free had me on edge... land on the 1 Mike... land... on... the... ahhhh nice.
-Tof
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I would've loved to see a couple more D/T songs or maybe ITPOE in full, but other than that, this is :metal :metal :metal
I'd totally remove SFAM to see a live performance of ITPOE in full, among other things. Not that Scenes wasn't awesome, but the full version of ITPOE is a very tempting offer.
Trustful boy, unaware who is watching. Open the door, I am right behind you.
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I would've loved to see a couple more D/T songs or maybe ITPOE in full, but other than that, this is :metal :metal :metal
I'd totally remove SFAM to see a live performance of ITPOE in full, among other things. Not that Scenes wasn't awesome, but the full version of ITPOE is a very tempting offer.
I never saw Scenes live so I wouldn't want to forgo that, but 1 and 2 together are in my top 5 songs. I listen to them in CIM very often. Anyway seeing part 1 was the next best thing! :metal
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I watched ANTR and laughed at Rudess flicking the cymbal a couple of times.
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Got my copy last night from Century Media. It's alright. I think already owning the Live Scenes From New York album kind of tempered my excitement for this one (plus Breaking the 4th Wall covered a few tracks for the 15th anniversary as well). It's just okay. The audience feels a bit muted at times, kind of kills the energy I love about live albums in general. I like that ANTR and ITPOE were included with the DoT songs. Wish we could have gotten a track or two from Astonishing (Gift of Music or something), since that never really got a dedicated live release.
Probably the live DT release I'll go back to the least.
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I really liked this new release. Of course, I really love Scenes, so how could I not? Since they played it nearly identical to the album, the biggest things that stood out to me were James' & Mangini's variations throughout. The end of Finally Free had me on edge... land on the 1 Mike... land... on... the... ahhhh nice.
-Tof
:lol :lol :lol :lol
:tup
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I would've loved to see a couple more D/T songs or maybe ITPOE in full, but other than that, this is :metal :metal :metal
I'd totally remove SFAM to see a live performance of ITPOE in full, among other things. Not that Scenes wasn't awesome, but the full version of ITPOE is a very tempting offer.
Ditto.
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Ditto! Actually what is the general thoughts about SFAM once again being in the spotlight? Do you guys think it was exciting that DT once again focused on SFAM or would you have wanted something more traditional with a setlist containing old and new songs? Should actually make a poll of that 🤔
I definitely feel that SFAM and specially TSCO / TDOE has been overdone now. It's still a great release and SFAM is performed perfectly, but the first part of the setlist is what gets my engines running for this release and I get a lot more excited about the idea of playing ITPOE 1&2 than hearing SFAM again. Or maybe even TCOT or TGP 😭 Whyyyyyy do we still lack good live releases of these fan favourites!?!
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Yeah I love SFAM (it's my #2 in their discography) but I'd like to see them give another album some love and attention now. We already had a live release of the full SFAM, so now we have two.
Perhaps Six Degrees next?
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Yeah I love SFAM (it's my #2 in their discography) but I'd like to see them give another album some love and attention now. We already had a live release of the full SFAM, so now we have two.
Perhaps Six Degrees next?
Those are my two favorite albums, but I doubt about six degrees :
1) They played the 45 mins song on various occasions (score etc)
2) The glass prison and the 12 steps suite isn't probably a priority to play for them, since portnoy plays it occasionnally
3) The other songs aren't that famous (even if blind faith etc are masterpieces to me, I'll listen to them forever)
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How many of you are having trouble finding this DVD/Blu-ray? I wish there was a digital version I can just purchase. I'm in Australia and it looks like it won't be released until January 2021.
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Ditto! Actually what is the general thoughts about SFAM once again being in the spotlight? Do you guys think it was exciting that DT once again focused on SFAM or would you have wanted something more traditional with a setlist containing old and new songs? Should actually make a poll of that 🤔
I definitely feel that SFAM and specially TSCO / TDOE has been overdone now. It's still a great release and SFAM is performed perfectly, but the first part of the setlist is what gets my engines running for this release and I get a lot more excited about the idea of playing ITPOE 1&2 than hearing SFAM again. Or maybe even TCOT or TGP 😭 Whyyyyyy do we still lack good live releases of these fan favourites!?!
I selfishly cherish the idea because 20 years ago I couldn't see the full performance of the album, and so two decades later I finally got to hear my favorite album of all time in full, including Through Her Eyes which was the only song I never heard off the album up until February. But enough with albums anniversaries already.
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Ditto! Actually what is the general thoughts about SFAM once again being in the spotlight? Do you guys think it was exciting that DT once again focused on SFAM or would you have wanted something more traditional with a setlist containing old and new songs? Should actually make a poll of that 🤔
I definitely feel that SFAM and specially TSCO / TDOE has been overdone now. It's still a great release and SFAM is performed perfectly, but the first part of the setlist is what gets my engines running for this release and I get a lot more excited about the idea of playing ITPOE 1&2 than hearing SFAM again. Or maybe even TCOT or TGP 😭 Whyyyyyy do we still lack good live releases of these fan favourites!?!
I selfishly cherish the idea because 20 years ago I couldn't see the full performance of the album, and so two decades later I finally got to hear my favorite album of all time in full, including Through Her Eyes which was the only song I never heard off the album up until February. But enough with albums anniversaries already.
Yeah, as far as seeing a live concert I actually enjoy it even if anniversaries need to stop now! 😁 Just that for a live album where their previous one already had a anniversary for it was maaaybe became a bit much.
4th Wall for me was excellent and I very much enjoy the picks they did for that one even if the songs themselves aren't my usual favourites. But that's part of it. Sometimes the live album can bring songs that I don't usually listen to on CD and transform them into favorites even. Illumination Theory on 4th Wall made that song go from good to gawd damn epic!
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Maybe I'm alone in this, but I really cannot make any sense of the "DT has no heart now" argument.
I miss lots of things of the MP era, but one of the things I cherish the most from the MM era live shows is that the band looks happier and more engaged in their live performance than ever. There's a moment at the very end of At Wit's End when JLB smiles and looks at JP while he's playing the outro solo that just made me happy. If that's not "heart", then I really don't know what it is.
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It’s the best sounding live release since Score. Mangini’s sound breathes for the the first time since auditions. Rudess and Myung are beast as always. Even with auto tune LaBrie is terrible, mispronounced words and unclear vowels make him sound like that replicant from Chile.
But for me, the most disappointing guy here is Petrucci. I was at Berlin show in June and I remember where his sound was very sloppy and out of tempo. I watched almost all performances of SFAM show and this particular show’s camRip. It seems like he re-recorded every single solo in the studio, obviously in FT and INTPOE. I cannot bear my guitar hero fakes his playing and backing vocals.
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Maybe I'm alone in this, but I really cannot make any sense of the "DT has no heart now" argument.
I miss lots of things of the MP era, but one of the things I cherish the most from the MM era live shows is that the band looks happier and more engaged in their live performance than ever. There's a moment at the very end of At Wit's End when JLB smiles and looks at JP while he's playing the outro solo that just made me happy. If that's not "heart", then I really don't know what it is.
In my opinion, we all sometimes make the mistake of confusing "I don't like this" with "this has no heart". We want to try and explain things, so we start throwing words at the wall. I remember reading that someone thought The Astonishing was "uninspired", to which I was very confused, because the band probably spent ungodly amounts of money producing that record, and would not have done so if they were not inspired. :lol
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Ditto! Actually what is the general thoughts about SFAM once again being in the spotlight? Do you guys think it was exciting that DT once again focused on SFAM or would you have wanted something more traditional with a setlist containing old and new songs? Should actually make a poll of that 🤔
Do you mean for the concert or for purposes of a live release?
For me, I was super happy to get a full performance of SFAM because I missed that tour. In general, I think folks who saw one or more shows on the SFAM tour were less enthused about it. I also think it's the overwhelming opinion of folks who post here on DTF that no more "anniversary" shows are needed for a while.
For purposes of a live release, I don't need it because I own LSFNY and have watched it dozens of times. I haven't yet bought the new release and am on the fence as to whether I ever will (I definitely won't buy the album but might buy a DVD or Blue Ray). Primarily, that's because (1) LSFNY exists, (2) I wasn't a fan of the non-DOT songs in the first set, and (3) as far as I know, there a no bonus features (or nothing of sufficient significance to make me want to buy it notwithstanding #1 and #2. I think the general consensus is that another release of the entirety of SFAM wasn't needed.
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Honestly, I don't think we needed another live album with SFAM in full, as LSFNY exists, and would've loved to get a more varied setlist for the tour (maybe a couple more D/T songs, as well as some other stuff). I would've LOVED to catch one of the shows, though, but they never ever come here on tour :'(
Having said that, I was comparing this album to Live Scenes and I was surprised at how good these new versions of the SFAM songs are, I even ended up liking most of these more than the previous live versions :metal :metal :metal
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The thing though with Live Scenes, is the band, JP, doesn't feel like that truly represents the album. JP laughed when they were talking about the Actors on Live Scenes (Hypnotherapist, I am looking at you) during I think Chris Jerichos Podcast. In Finally Free, on Live Scenes, the actor speaks too fast that JP has to speed up the intro and you can hear people yelling "SLOW DOWN". Distant Scenes, they say, is how they wanted it to be presented.
And personally, I am loving this more so than Live Scenes, I never enjoyed the mix, and never enjoyed the Scenes portion much, other than the choir, Theresa, and the Metropolis '00 ending (basically the Live Rehearsal ending from The FII demoes, that was only played that night), and the extended solo for Through Her Eyes. What sucks about Live Scenes is the exclusion of the 2nd set, the bonus material doesn't count to me. I don't mind the visual effects much.
From what I have seen, It looks fantastic. Might end up being the best since Budakon. Live at Luna Park, and BT4W have mix issues for me with the keys and drums. This one though, the keys are very audible, and the drums sound massive.
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Maybe I'm alone in this, but I really cannot make any sense of the "DT has no heart now" argument.
I miss lots of things of the MP era, but one of the things I cherish the most from the MM era live shows is that the band looks happier and more engaged in their live performance than ever. There's a moment at the very end of At Wit's End when JLB smiles and looks at JP while he's playing the outro solo that just made me happy. If that's not "heart", then I really don't know what it is.
:tup
That heart is felt in JP's Solo's in the ITPOE pt.1 intro solo. The At Wit's End outro solo, Through Her Eyes, and the many other JP solos.
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In my opinion, we all sometimes make the mistake of confusing "I don't like this" with "this has no heart". We want to try and explain things, so we start throwing words at the wall. I remember reading that someone thought The Astonishing was "uninspired", to which I was very confused, because the band probably spent ungodly amounts of money producing that record, and would not have done so if they were not inspired. :lol
So true, my friend. Very eloquently spoken. It also reminds me of the "DT is more machine than man now with MM" (just like Obi-Wan described Darth Vader in Ep. IV) thing that usually overlooks that they literally put out a double album full of heartfelt piano-driven pieces of music. "But it has no heart because MP was the soul of DT and would never have allowed a travesty like The Astonishing to exist!"; now that's just you saying you prefer MP over MM and that you miss him in a very toxic and non-argumentative way.
That heart is felt in JP's Solo's in the ITPOE pt.1 intro solo. The At Wit's End outro solo, Through Her Eyes, and the many other JP solos.
Of course. JP has always been an incredibly expressive guitar player, and it's up to DT fans to usually defend him against the "he's just a fast shredder, no soul bro" comments (which now ironically are directed towards MM by these same fans lol). Also for some reason, although JLB's voice is obviously not what it once was, there's a lot of expression in his singing. This truly has been a great era for him in terms of crowd interaction and overall vibes on the stage. The man is enjoying the hell out of these concerts and it shows.
Also, how cool is JR occasionally hitting MM's cymbals? :lol
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Maybe I'm alone in this, but I really cannot make any sense of the "DT has no heart now" argument.
I miss lots of things of the MP era, but one of the things I cherish the most from the MM era live shows is that the band looks happier and more engaged in their live performance than ever. There's a moment at the very end of At Wit's End when JLB smiles and looks at JP while he's playing the outro solo that just made me happy. If that's not "heart", then I really don't know what it is.
:tup
That heart is felt in JP's Solo's in the ITPOE pt.1 intro solo. The At Wit's End outro solo, Through Her Eyes, and the many other JP solos.
There's also a part on ITPOE where JP is up there next to the drum kit, he looks at Mike and they both play the same variaton of the riff, while laughing and having a great time.
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Just to add to this conversation: The heart is felt basically in every moment when they show a close up of any of the 5 guys' faces and they smile. And they smile a lot.
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Maybe I'm alone in this, but I really cannot make any sense of the "DT has no heart now" argument.
I miss lots of things of the MP era, but one of the things I cherish the most from the MM era live shows is that the band looks happier and more engaged in their live performance than ever. There's a moment at the very end of At Wit's End when JLB smiles and looks at JP while he's playing the outro solo that just made me happy. If that's not "heart", then I really don't know what it is.
:tup
That heart is felt in JP's Solo's in the ITPOE pt.1 intro solo. The At Wit's End outro solo, Through Her Eyes, and the many other JP solos.
There's also a part on ITPOE where JP is up there next to the drum kit, he looks at Mike and they both play the same variaton of the riff, while laughing and having a great time.
That's what's cool about Mangini, how he can play along to their rhythm in their Riffs.
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Maybe I'm alone in this, but I really cannot make any sense of the "DT has no heart now" argument.
I miss lots of things of the MP era, but one of the things I cherish the most from the MM era live shows is that the band looks happier and more engaged in their live performance than ever. There's a moment at the very end of At Wit's End when JLB smiles and looks at JP while he's playing the outro solo that just made me happy. If that's not "heart", then I really don't know what it is.
In my opinion, we all sometimes make the mistake of confusing "I don't like this" with "this has no heart". We want to try and explain things, so we start throwing words at the wall. I remember reading that someone thought The Astonishing was "uninspired", to which I was very confused, because the band probably spent ungodly amounts of money producing that record, and would not have done so if they were not inspired. :lol
Spot on, both of you.
This whole "feel" and "heart" stuff is soooooooooooo subjective people might as well start saying, "My problem with DT now is they just aren't cool anymore. They're just lacking it."
Sometimes I wonder why people bother showing up to this board anymore if everything DT has done since Portnoy left has been so lackluster.
I mean, I was worried with The Astonishing which I pretty much hated. There was a moment where I even thought, "Gee, if this next album isn't that great, I think I'm going to find another place to dick around when I'm killing time on the web." I mean, I barely will respond to anything when The Astonishing comes up because it's actually pretty boring to repeat, "Nyah, I don't like it." Plus, I LOVE that other people like it. I would be bummed if nobody did because then it truly would have been a waste. As it stands, that period in DT's history was a waste for me. DT has no responsibility to me.
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Maybe I'm alone in this, but I really cannot make any sense of the "DT has no heart now" argument.
I miss lots of things of the MP era, but one of the things I cherish the most from the MM era live shows is that the band looks happier and more engaged in their live performance than ever. There's a moment at the very end of At Wit's End when JLB smiles and looks at JP while he's playing the outro solo that just made me happy. If that's not "heart", then I really don't know what it is.
In my opinion, we all sometimes make the mistake of confusing "I don't like this" with "this has no heart". We want to try and explain things, so we start throwing words at the wall. I remember reading that someone thought The Astonishing was "uninspired", to which I was very confused, because the band probably spent ungodly amounts of money producing that record, and would not have done so if they were not inspired. :lol
Spot on, both of you.
This whole "feel" and "heart" stuff is soooooooooooo subjective people might as well start saying, "My problem with DT now is they just aren't cool anymore. They're just lacking it."
Sometimes I wonder why people bother showing up to this board anymore if everything DT has done since Portnoy left has been so lackluster.
I mean, I was worried with The Astonishing which I pretty much hated. There was a moment where I even thought, "Gee, if this next album isn't that great, I think I'm going to find another place to dick around when I'm killing time on the web." I mean, I barely will respond to anything when The Astonishing comes up because it's actually pretty boring to repeat, "Nyah, I don't like it." Plus, I LOVE that other people like it. I would be bummed if nobody did because then it truly would have been a waste. As it stands, that period in DT's history was a waste for me. DT has no responsibility to me.
This.
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So after trying many times to get the Blu Ray to work and it keep on skipping, I sent it back to Amazon and in the meantime they sent me out a replacement whicb came today. Just popped in the second disc to check it out and to my annoyance its doing the exact same thing!
Anyone else playing it on a PS4 and having the same issue? It just keeps freezing and skipping. 2nd BluRay disc.
If not could someone try it on a (Base) PS4 and let me know? I'm amazed its happened again tbh. If I cant get it to work I will just send back and get money back screw it.
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er, maybe try it on a different device before sending it back?
It's possible that it's a problem with your device, not the DVD
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Blu-Ray players aren't that expensive.
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So after trying many times to get the Blu Ray to work and it keep on skipping, I sent it back to Amazon and in the meantime they sent me out a replacement whicb came today. Just popped in the second disc to check it out and to my annoyance its doing the exact same thing!
Anyone else playing it on a PS4 and having the same issue? It just keeps freezing and skipping. 2nd BluRay disc.
If not could someone try it on a (Base) PS4 and let me know? I'm amazed its happened again tbh. If I cant get it to work I will just send back and get money back screw it.
I used to have this all the time with certain discs that just would not play. Turned out my bluray disc player either had dust on it or some issue prevented it from recognizing the disc. I got a new one and it read all the discs that I had issues with flawlessly. Bluray players are weird.
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Sometimes I wonder why people bother showing up to this board anymore if everything DT has done since Portnoy left has been so lackluster.
Sidebar: I suspect that while the music gets them here, many stay for the community. So, even if you are not a fan of their newer music, you can still enjoy the community enough to stick around and keeping discussing this, that and the other.
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Bosk already made an insightful post as to why they didn't record a live DVD but as far as the band abandoning The Astonishing...is there any official or non-official word that they dropped The Astonishing in the middle of the tour? Were they planning on playing the entire album throughout 2016 & 2017?
They were gonna play it through the end of 2016, but there was never any promise of them continuing the tour in 2017. I'd honestly be surprised for them to do that anyway, given that they had been playing it throughout all of 2016. That said, they did cave to a degree towards the end of the last leg of the tour. At that point, they dropped 5 songs from TA and added a 3 song encore of AIA, TSCO and PMU.
That's true. But the optics of the sequence of events during that period that bother me. Logistics forcing them to abandon filming the DVD; swapping out songs and then jumping right into the Images And Words Anniversary tour. That always looked bad to me.
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Bosk already made an insightful post as to why they didn't record a live DVD but as far as the band abandoning The Astonishing...is there any official or non-official word that they dropped The Astonishing in the middle of the tour? Were they planning on playing the entire album throughout 2016 & 2017?
They were gonna play it through the end of 2016, but there was never any promise of them continuing the tour in 2017. I'd honestly be surprised for them to do that anyway, given that they had been playing it throughout all of 2016. That said, they did cave to a degree towards the end of the last leg of the tour. At that point, they dropped 5 songs from TA and added a 3 song encore of AIA, TSCO and PMU.
That's true. But the optics of the sequence of events during that period that bother me. Logistics forcing them to abandon filming the DVD; swapping out songs and then jumping right into the Images And Words Anniversary tour. That always looked bad to me.
But you have to put why they toured I&W&B in context. It was only meant as a small tour. But then promoters found out about it, and they had been getting requests for the band to come to their city, and venue. Remember, Images and Words, is a breakthrough album for the band. Even, though Dream Theater came here to New Mexico, It wasn't as packed as I thought, but it still was a great turnout, we don't have a very big Prog Metal market at all.
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Maybe I'm alone in this, but I really cannot make any sense of the "DT has no heart now" argument.
I miss lots of things of the MP era, but one of the things I cherish the most from the MM era live shows is that the band looks happier and more engaged in their live performance than ever. There's a moment at the very end of At Wit's End when JLB smiles and looks at JP while he's playing the outro solo that just made me happy. If that's not "heart", then I really don't know what it is.
In my opinion, we all sometimes make the mistake of confusing "I don't like this" with "this has no heart". We want to try and explain things, so we start throwing words at the wall. I remember reading that someone thought The Astonishing was "uninspired", to which I was very confused, because the band probably spent ungodly amounts of money producing that record, and would not have done so if they were not inspired. :lol
Spot on, both of you.
This whole "feel" and "heart" stuff is soooooooooooo subjective people might as well start saying, "My problem with DT now is they just aren't cool anymore. They're just lacking it."
Sometimes I wonder why people bother showing up to this board anymore if everything DT has done since Portnoy left has been so lackluster.
I mean, I was worried with The Astonishing which I pretty much hated. There was a moment where I even thought, "Gee, if this next album isn't that great, I think I'm going to find another place to dick around when I'm killing time on the web." I mean, I barely will respond to anything when The Astonishing comes up because it's actually pretty boring to repeat, "Nyah, I don't like it." Plus, I LOVE that other people like it. I would be bummed if nobody did because then it truly would have been a waste. As it stands, that period in DT's history was a waste for me. DT has no responsibility to me.
This.
Agreed.
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So after trying many times to get the Blu Ray to work and it keep on skipping, I sent it back to Amazon and in the meantime they sent me out a replacement whicb came today. Just popped in the second disc to check it out and to my annoyance its doing the exact same thing!
Anyone else playing it on a PS4 and having the same issue? It just keeps freezing and skipping. 2nd BluRay disc.
If not could someone try it on a (Base) PS4 and let me know? I'm amazed its happened again tbh. If I cant get it to work I will just send back and get money back screw it.
Just an FYI...i watched both blurays on my PS4 no skips or problems..perfect on my end.
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So finally I watched the blu-ray...
I really liked this one! Combining footage and sound, my favorite live release from the Mangini era, no doubt! Just slightly above the unofficial Live at Budokan 2017. The footage is almost perfect! Right, there could have been more space for some improvisations or new arrangements for the songs, but their performances were excellent and, altered or not, they seem real (like the crowd noise) - which, in the end, it's the most important to me.
Even though Labrie had his irregular moments, he also had excellent moments on the show (well, I have followed DT since 93 and that was almost always my impression of him, except on Score and Live at Budokan). Comparing Labrie's intro to Home, the CD version (where he shouts HOOOOOME - and the audience repeats it, in a funny reaction ;D), would it be different from the BD version? As far as auto-tunes are concerned, I suck at recognizing that sort of thing, but I think the most striking was the auto-tune of the audience choir during One Last Time. They were super-tuned! ;D
I was also unable to notice Petrucci's overdubes comparing to what was shown in the footage.
I think it's not often mentioned here, but I think Jordan always has a really cool stage presence! It's more something in his attitude than in his movements.
About the audience, I take back what I said about my first impression of the audience's participation in this show, due to what I saw from the first videos released. In fact, for a seating show, the audience participation was excellent... congratulations, London!
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I've always felt that ITPOE was underrated. I really love that song(s). The live version on Distant Memories is absolutely killer.
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Seeing the show live, it was one of the best songs of the night, I thought.
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Highlight of the first set, for me.
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Happy to see the ItPoE love.
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I like Part one. Part two not so much.
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I've always felt that ITPOE was underrated. I really love that song(s). The live version on Distant Memories is absolutely killer.
I get chills when Petrucci plays the guitar melody at about the 2:10 mark. I vividly remember them playing it on the SC tour and Petrucci sort of stepping forward and more center to play that. I was with a chick I started dating that was going great and I had a moment where I was like, "Damn, life is so good." Then later in Part 2 where Jordan plays the same melody at about the 13:10 mark and it is sooooo good.
Anyway, that girl and I broke up shortly thereafter...but I still love that song!
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I like Part one. Part two not so much.
Killer review man!!! :metal :biggrin:
Part 1 does have a greatness to it, but part 2 is just so much fun too.
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Somehting that has been bothering me on the videos is that there seems to be an unused mic stand up there, behind Mike's kit. It isn't James' mic stand, it has no mic, no camera, nothing. It's literally just there, the whole show. I hadn't noticed at first, but now that I did, I just can't unsee it. Anyone else noticed this? ???
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I haven't seen it yet, but I knew that James switched mic stands partway through those shows. Could it have been his second mic stand?
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I haven't seen it yet, but I knew that James switched mic stands partway through those shows. Could it have been his second mic stand?
I haven't gotten it either, but just watched a couple songs on Youtube. It's just a plain mike stand. It's not the one he uses in the second set.
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Hmm. Dunno then. I mean, if it's behind Mike's kit, it's basically backstage/offstage gear. I'm sure there is lots of extra stuff back there, some belonging to the band, some belonging to the venue, etc. Sounds like just a case of some extra gear seizing its moment of fame to get on camera. :lol
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Hmm. Dunno then. I mean, if it's behind Mike's kit, it's basically backstage/offstage gear. I'm sure there is lots of extra stuff back there, some belonging to the band, some belonging to the venue, etc. Sounds like just a case of some extra gear seizing its moment of fame to get on camera. :lol
But it's up there where James would walk, it IS onstage, and it's driving me crazy when I watch it now :lol
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Oh, on the catwalk up top? If I'm not mistaken, JP used it a couple of times during the show when he was up there and sang backup vox? Maybe? I remember him being up there during both the DOT and the SFAM sets, so I'm thinking that is why. But I could be wrong.
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I like Part one. Part two not so much.
Killer review man!!! :metal
YEAH THE HELL :metal
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Mine arrived today!!! Can't wait to dive into it! :metal :metal :metal
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YEAH THE HELL :metal :metal :metal
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I'm not gonna lie, I teared up a little when Regression started. For all the crap they get for touring Scenes again and recording it again, there's still some of us who have never seen them do it (I've been a fan for what, 12 years now? try coming closer to me than a 7 hour drive, my guys!) and it's just a beautiful album worth doing again in full. They didn't invent touring your concept album in full, but they deserve to reap the benefits from popularizing that idea.
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Okay - I decided to watch the Act 1 of Distant Memories (as opposed to the debacle that is Dallas) and was really impressed. I thought video shots were superb and the sound excellent! I was really curious about this release because I tend to think that larger venues seem to lend themselves to better video shots so I was interested in how a smaller stage would be presented. I was happily surprised!
looking forward to Act 2! :metal :metal
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The theatre is bigger than it looks on the dvd, I’m pretty sure Hammersmith Apollo is the second biggest theatre in London, only behind The Royal Albert Hall. Capacity is 5,000 if you remove the seats downstairs. Even with seats, it’s about 3,700. It’s not Radio City Music Hall or Budokan but it’s a decent sized venue.
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I've always felt that ITPOE was underrated. I really love that song(s). The live version on Distant Memories is absolutely killer.
Hellz yeah. Both ITPOE Pt. 1 and ANTR are sounding better than ever in this release. This version of ITPOE Pt. 1 blows the CIM version out of the water real bad.
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LaBrie does the spoken word part in A Nightmare to Remember. He concludes it with an awesome scream at the end. I thought that was great and also unexpected.
Overall, I have it low on my ranking list of DT live releases. It's just not doing much for me.
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Live Scenes
Budokan
Marquee
Tokyo (I know it's a video only, but...)
Once in a Livetime
Distant Memories
Breaking the 4th Wall
Luna Park
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I've always felt that ITPOE was underrated. I really love that song(s). The live version on Distant Memories is absolutely killer.
Hellz yeah. Both ITPOE Pt. 1 and ANTR are sounding better than ever in this release. This version of ITPOE Pt. 1 blows the CIM version out of the water real bad.
CiM was not a very good live release IMO, so this is not surprising (although I am still waiting for my copy...)
LaBrie does the spoken word part in A Nightmare to Remember. He concludes it with an awesome scream at the end. I thought that was great and also unexpected.
Overall, I have it low on my ranking list of DT live releases. It's just not doing much for me.
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Live Scenes
Budokan
Marquee
Tokyo (I know it's a video only, but...)
Once in a Livetime
Distant Memories
Breaking the 4th Wall
Luna Park
Speaking of... have you seen CiM? I honestly would have hoped this would be better than CiM and 5 Years in a Livetime for video releases.
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Here are my rankings:
Luna Park - I agree the sound isn't great and I'm even not a huge fan of the presentation but it was pretty much the best setlist imaginable and the band was on fire. Acoustic set was a great addition.
The next three I've got in a dead heat
Breaking the Fourth Wall - Sound quality fixed, great setlist, band still on fire.
Distant Memories - Setlist not great, sound quality AMAZING, band still on fire
Live Scenes - Sound quality not great, TONS of energy, pretty good setlist
Live in Tokyo - Hard for me to rate as it's not an official live album but if it was, it would be solid
Live at Budokan - Overrated. Just days after I kind of berate people for using the term "feel" I have to admit, I just don't get much from this. James was trying so hard to hit all the right notes I just don't feel he has a lot of soul in his performance overall. Obviously some great moments.
Score - Same as Budokan except a really lackluster setlist. Obviously some great moments sprinkled throughout
Chaos in Motion - Really bad quality but a great setlist, so much so that I kind of can see past the quality issue
Live at Marquee - Not a fair fight but it's length nearly disqualifies it. Single greatest performance of Killing Hand though.
Once in a Livetime - Performance seems lackluster, setlist kinda blows. Great version of Trial of Tears but it's not nearly enough to save it. Still got a lot of rotation from me but that's because it was the first DT live album I got.
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I've been enjoying the live album and blu-ray. I hadn't listened to SFAM for a long time, and it's been a nice refresher in what I liked about that record, though I'll agree that it's very mechanical and doesn't feel as "rockin" as LSFNY, though I've had about 20 years to get used to that live recording vs. getting used to the sound of a new and current recording of the album. It's also nice to have some live recordings of the DoT songs as well.
I have some issues with James' vocals and enunciation here and there, but it's not going to derail my enjoyment of the album. I don't expect absolute perfection and understand that this is just Dream Theater at this point in their career. it's a really nice live set to have, since I was unable to attend the tour (and haven't seen them since 1999 anyways).
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I will say. What the hell was James thinking that those "EWWAWWAHAHAs" at the end of A Nightmare to Remember were a good idea. It's out of place and sounds funny.
That is the main problem I have with JLB now. Is his choices of enunciation and singing style for certain parts. It's like, why did you do that. Reminds me of the Vibratio in Blind Faith on CiM.
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I think with the passing of years James chose to be more 'theatrical' on stage given that his voice is getting weaker, but I don't remember having a problem enunciating lyrics as much as he has now, which is weird..On Breaking the Fourth Wall he sounded pretty good, although it was 6 years ago.
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I think with the passing of years James chose to be more 'theatrical' on stage given that his voice is getting weaker, but I don't remember having a problem enunciating lyrics as much as he has now, which is weird..On Breaking the Fourth Wall he sounded pretty good, although it was 6 years ago.
Could be he's trying different techniques, and it's effecting the way he enunciates.
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I think with the passing of years James chose to be more 'theatrical' on stage given that his voice is getting weaker, but I don't remember having a problem enunciating lyrics as much as he has now, which is weird..On Breaking the Fourth Wall he sounded pretty good, although it was 6 years ago.
He's definitely got a lot more theatrical with his performances. I think it worked great with TA live, because of the nature of the album, but it doesn't work that well with their whole catalog, imo.
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I think James was doing that because he knows people complain about the band sounding exactly like the studio recording and he's like, "Here ya go, happy now?" And they are. They no longer complain about arbitrary things.
Anyway, some of his improv doesn't work. Some does.
I'm surprised you're just now saying he has an issue with enunciation. That was one of the first things I noticed when I first got into the band 20 years ago. It may be a big worse now but that's the price we pay for having him sing insanely high melodies. Vowels are easier to sing than consonants. He's in his 50s and all things considered, he's pretty damn consistent.
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My only gripe on this live album is Beyond This Life, the way James sings the "Our Deeds have traveled...far....aaaah"....cringe worthy, specially further into the song (not so much the 1st time he sings it). Other than that, I like the vibe, the energy, the other James' melody changes. It's a very raw yet pristine documentation of the tour. Managed to see it twice live and don't regret it.
Funny thing: I keep expecting the "LARING one eternity" line lol. It kind of became iconic on LFSNY and feels weird hearing it correctly in Distant Memories.
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That is the main problem I have with JLB now. Is his choices of enunciation and singing style for certain parts. It's like, why did you do that. Reminds me of the Vibratio in Blind Faith on CiM.
Fixed.. I take back what I said in this same post. I just watched the bluray tonight 12/21/2020 and Labrie was awesome! Very solid performance by him and every band member. :metal
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My only gripe on this live album is Beyond This Life, the way James sings the "Our Deeds have traveled...far....aaaah"....cringe worthy, specially further into the song (not so much the 1st time he sings it). Other than that, I like the vibe, the energy, the other James' melody changes. It's a very raw yet pristine documentation of the tour. Managed to see it twice live and don't regret it.
Funny thing: I keep expecting the "LARING one eternity" line lol. It kind of became iconic on LFSNY and feels weird hearing it correctly in Distant Memories.
That was the other song where I was "James...WT :facepalm:"
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I don't really have an issue with the JLB-isms present in this release. He sounds good, as good as he can possibly sound in this day and age and that's enough for me. He goofs around the melodies quite a lot but I really don't mind. He's been the voice for Dream Theater for almost 30 years now (crazy, huh?) and he can do whatever he wants as far as I'm concerned. As it has been pointed out quite a lot, he looks incredibly happy and confident of himself in these videos and that to me is far more important than to think something like "oh dear, what did he do to Beyond This Life? awful"
I don't listen to live releases much anymore, so it's cool checking these performances out with some of the added spice and improvs and then go back to the studio versions I love so dearly.
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That's a good attitude! :tup
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I don't listen to live releases much anymore, so it's cool checking these performances out with some of the added spice and improvs and then go back to the studio versions I love so dearly.
That's my approach as well, there's no replacing the studio versions.
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I don't listen to live releases much anymore, so it's cool checking these performances out with some of the added spice and improvs and then go back to the studio versions I love so dearly.
That's my approach as well, there's no replacing the studio versions.
Agreed. DT has never been a band where I listen to live stuff that much. Okay, they have a few songs where my go-to version is a live one, but that is all because they are either from the debut (A Fortune in Lies, The Killing Hand) or never recorded for an actual studio album (Raise the Knife, Cover My Eyes, Speak to Me). I don't think there is a single DT song from a studio album from I&W through Distance over Time where there is a specific live version I go to more than the original studio version.
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I myself prefer most of the live versions more ;D
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Me too.
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DT has never been a band where I listen to live stuff that much. Okay, they have a few songs where my go-to version is a live one, but that is all because they are either from the debut (A Fortune in Lies, The Killing Hand) or never recorded for an actual studio album (Raise the Knife, Cover My Eyes, Speak to Me). I don't think there is a single DT song from a studio album from I&W through Distance over Time where there is a specific live version I go to more than the original studio version.
I listen to DT's live stuff as much as any other band (which in reality is not very often) but otherwise feel the same. Hollow Years - Budokan is the only song I can think of where that is my "go-to" version of the song. Maybe Octavarium - Score. That isn't to say the live albums are bad. They are generally good to great for what they are.
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I listen to their live stuff quite a lot. I have songs I prefer on each Live album.
I'll say JLB, I enjoy his vocals, now. Just those two I mentioned are the tiny quibbles I have. He is amazing in the songs I bought this blu-ray for. ITPOE. Pt.1, Through Her Eyes, At Wit's End. He was fantastic both times I saw him live.
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Yeah, I can definitely get why someone would prefer the live versions because DT is a live band and they usually sound fantastic in that format, but to me the studio version of any given song is usually the definitive version of such piece of music because of the whole creative process around its creation and the idea that production-wise everything is as good as the musician can possibly do. I say usually because there are, of course, incredible live versions of certain songs that become the definitive versions to lots of people and that's awesome as well (as the already given example of Hollow Years, to which I agree wholeheartedly).
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Yeah, I can definitely get why someone would prefer the live versions because DT is a live band and they usually sound fantastic in that format, but to me the studio version of any given song is usually the definitive version of such piece of music because of the whole creative process around its creation and the idea that production-wise everything is as good as the musician can possibly do. I say usually because there are, of course, incredible live versions of certain songs that become the definitive versions to lots of people and that's awesome as well (as the already given example of Hollow Years, to which I agree wholeheartedly).
Great way to describe studio albums.
To me, a studio album is akin to an artists work of art, one you would see in an art museum, some are Louvre worthy some are Bathroom Art. Live shows, are like watching The Artist paint a portrait. And the Live album, is like taking that Portrait the Artist drew home, and that picture, is a compilation of past works, some re-created or re-designed to fit the concept/theme/Bigger Picture of the painting.
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Yeah, I can definitely get why someone would prefer the live versions because DT is a live band and they usually sound fantastic in that format, but to me the studio version of any given song is usually the definitive version of such piece of music because of the whole creative process around its creation and the idea that production-wise everything is as good as the musician can possibly do. I say usually because there are, of course, incredible live versions of certain songs that become the definitive versions to lots of people and that's awesome as well (as the already given example of Hollow Years, to which I agree wholeheartedly).
Great way to describe studio albums.
To me, a studio album is akin to an artists work of art, one you would see in an art museum, some are Louvre worthy some are Bathroom Art. Live shows, are like watching The Artist paint a portrait. And the Live album, is like taking that Portrait the Artist drew home, and that picture, is a compilation of past works, some re-created or re-designed to fit the concept/theme/Bigger Picture of the painting.
I mention that when people start ragging on James singing live and struggling. No one is going to really remember that. It's the studio versions that are the signature and enduring work.
I mean, ever listen to a Led Zeppelin live show? Holy shit does Robert Plant sound awful. But Zeppelins albums? Pure gold!
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So I am guilty of complaining about SFAM being played on tour, even though it's my second favorite album. When I saw them, of course I loved it, but I'm not a fan of bands playing old shit when they have an excellent new album to promote, especially on the heels of the I&W&B tour.
I took a wait and see on Distant Memories. I put it on my Santa list after listening to a few tunes on Spotify. Thought it sounded great. But I've been watching some of the songs on youtube and I must say...
I CAN'T WAIT to get my copy!!!!
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I CAN'T WAIT to get my copy!!!!
Same here! I ordered mine through a local record store owned and run by a long time friend of mine. He's only open on Saturdays now as he works real-estate on weekdays. The record store is pretty much a hobby now for him, so who knows how long it will be until I get my copy.. :-\ :chill
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Watched it last night with the speakers blasting in my living room and I loved it! This is a band hitting on all cylinders. I swear Myung doesn't have bones in those fingers! They look like they're all having a great time up there. Kudos to the production team, it sounds and looks great.
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So I called my local record store this morning and he said he won't be making anymore orders until after the new year. Does anybody know where I can find a reliable source to order Distant Memories??
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So I called my local record store this morning and he said he won't be making anymore orders until after the new year. Does anybody know where I can find a reliable source to order Distant Memories??
https://www.lasercd.com/cd/distant-memories-live-london-3cd2-blu-ray
This is where I ordered. It took just under 2 weeks but I got it.
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Yeah, lasercd is always great. Can't go wrong with them.
DT has never been a band where I listen to live stuff that much. Okay, they have a few songs where my go-to version is a live one, but that is all because they are either from the debut (A Fortune in Lies, The Killing Hand) or never recorded for an actual studio album (Raise the Knife, Cover My Eyes, Speak to Me). I don't think there is a single DT song from a studio album from I&W through Distance over Time where there is a specific live version I go to more than the original studio version.
I listen to DT's live stuff as much as any other band (which in reality is not very often) but otherwise feel the same. Hollow Years - Budokan is the only song I can think of where that is my "go-to" version of the song. Maybe Octavarium - Score. That isn't to say the live albums are bad. They are generally good to great for what they are.
:tup :tup
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So I called my local record store this morning and he said he won't be making anymore orders until after the new year. Does anybody know where I can find a reliable source to order Distant Memories??
https://www.lasercd.com/cd/distant-memories-live-london-3cd2-blu-ray
This is where I ordered. It took just under 2 weeks but I got it.
Thanks so much! :tup
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Bosk already made an insightful post as to why they didn't record a live DVD but as far as the band abandoning The Astonishing...is there any official or non-official word that they dropped The Astonishing in the middle of the tour? Were they planning on playing the entire album throughout 2016 & 2017?
They were gonna play it through the end of 2016, but there was never any promise of them continuing the tour in 2017. I'd honestly be surprised for them to do that anyway, given that they had been playing it throughout all of 2016. That said, they did cave to a degree towards the end of the last leg of the tour. At that point, they dropped 5 songs from TA and added a 3 song encore of AIA, TSCO and PMU.
That's true. But the optics of the sequence of events during that period that bother me. Logistics forcing them to abandon filming the DVD; swapping out songs and then jumping right into the Images And Words Anniversary tour. That always looked bad to me.
But you have to put why they toured I&W&B in context. It was only meant as a small tour. But then promoters found out about it, and they had been getting requests for the band to come to their city, and venue. Remember, Images and Words, is a breakthrough album for the band. Even, though Dream Theater came here to New Mexico, It wasn't as packed as I thought, but it still was a great turnout, we don't have a very big Prog Metal market at all.
My only issue with that tour is that there were no new songs in the set. I don't think Dream Theater ever toured without having SOMETHING new to play. But as I've said before this band has spoiled me quite a bit over the years so I was OK with missing that tour.
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I myself prefer most of the live versions more ;D
Exactly. Like Rush, I enjoy them a lot more that way.
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Bosk already made an insightful post as to why they didn't record a live DVD but as far as the band abandoning The Astonishing...is there any official or non-official word that they dropped The Astonishing in the middle of the tour? Were they planning on playing the entire album throughout 2016 & 2017?
They were gonna play it through the end of 2016, but there was never any promise of them continuing the tour in 2017. I'd honestly be surprised for them to do that anyway, given that they had been playing it throughout all of 2016. That said, they did cave to a degree towards the end of the last leg of the tour. At that point, they dropped 5 songs from TA and added a 3 song encore of AIA, TSCO and PMU.
That's true. But the optics of the sequence of events during that period that bother me. Logistics forcing them to abandon filming the DVD; swapping out songs and then jumping right into the Images And Words Anniversary tour. That always looked bad to me.
But you have to put why they toured I&W&B in context. It was only meant as a small tour. But then promoters found out about it, and they had been getting requests for the band to come to their city, and venue. Remember, Images and Words, is a breakthrough album for the band. Even, though Dream Theater came here to New Mexico, It wasn't as packed as I thought, but it still was a great turnout, we don't have a very big Prog Metal market at all.
My only issue with that tour is that there were no new songs in the set. I don't think Dream Theater ever toured without having SOMETHING new to play. But as I've said before this band has spoiled me quite a bit over the years so I was OK with missing that tour.
They did play TBP for the first time, though. (DLPM too, but that was dropped from the set).
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Bosk already made an insightful post as to why they didn't record a live DVD but as far as the band abandoning The Astonishing...is there any official or non-official word that they dropped The Astonishing in the middle of the tour? Were they planning on playing the entire album throughout 2016 & 2017?
They were gonna play it through the end of 2016, but there was never any promise of them continuing the tour in 2017. I'd honestly be surprised for them to do that anyway, given that they had been playing it throughout all of 2016. That said, they did cave to a degree towards the end of the last leg of the tour. At that point, they dropped 5 songs from TA and added a 3 song encore of AIA, TSCO and PMU.
That's true. But the optics of the sequence of events during that period that bother me. Logistics forcing them to abandon filming the DVD; swapping out songs and then jumping right into the Images And Words Anniversary tour. That always looked bad to me.
But you have to put why they toured I&W&B in context. It was only meant as a small tour. But then promoters found out about it, and they had been getting requests for the band to come to their city, and venue. Remember, Images and Words, is a breakthrough album for the band. Even, though Dream Theater came here to New Mexico, It wasn't as packed as I thought, but it still was a great turnout, we don't have a very big Prog Metal market at all.
My only issue with that tour is that there were no new songs in the set. I don't think Dream Theater ever toured without having SOMETHING new to play. But as I've said before this band has spoiled me quite a bit over the years so I was OK with missing that tour.
They did play TBP for the first time, though. (DLPM too, but that was dropped from the set).
You're right. Forgot about that. Would have been nice to witness that, but I couldn't justify it to myself.
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They also did two songs from TA which was nice on the I&W&beyond tour. :coolio
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I was ecstatic to hear Don't Look Past Me and The Bigger Picture, both songs that I enjoy. Getting to actually hear To Live Forever was awesome as well, that was a nice treat I will cherish to have witnessed. Also, getting to see JM do a Jaco Pastorius cover, as a bassist and a Dream Theater fan, was badass to get to see, and in first row too. Also, Hell's Kitchen was neat to see as well, although I wish JR would've kept those Tubular Bells like how he has them on Budakon. The only song I was meh about is As I Am, it's one I never really cared for that much, but it is fun to play, and still a great song to rock out too, it's why it's become a live staple.
I guess, you can see I quite enjoyed that tour. And why I am not as disappointed they didn't release a dvd of the show. It's great to have it as one of those, you just had to go, type of shows. It reminds me of back in the day, when there were no DVD concerts for every tour.
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I don't listen to live releases much anymore, so it's cool checking these performances out with some of the added spice and improvs and then go back to the studio versions I love so dearly.
That's my approach as well, there's no replacing the studio versions.
Agreed. DT has never been a band where I listen to live stuff that much. Okay, they have a few songs where my go-to version is a live one, but that is all because they are either from the debut (A Fortune in Lies, The Killing Hand) or never recorded for an actual studio album (Raise the Knife, Cover My Eyes, Speak to Me). I don't think there is a single DT song from a studio album from I&W through Distance over Time where there is a specific live version I go to more than the original studio version.
The only exceptions for me besides the ones you stated are albums with bad production like ADTOE or DT. Then I’ll listen to the Luna Park or BTFW versions.
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For me I guess I'm somewhere in the middle, but there are versions of songs I just prefer their live performance. Songs like In the Name of God, Hollow Years (The Budokan version) and Lines in the Sand (OIALT) just to name a few. They always made them breath somewhat different live, oh and the In the Name of God version..man that killer solo from JP is awesome to listen to every time!
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For me I guess I'm somewhere in the middle, but there are versions of songs I just prefer their live performance. Songs like In the Name of God, Hollow Years (The Budokan version) and Lines in the Sand (OIALT) just to name a few. They always made them breath somewhat different live, oh and the In the Name of God version..man that killer solo from JP is awesome to listen to every time!
I wish I could find the cd of Live At Budokan. For some reason, it is really hard to find. And Amazon lists the cd, but I bought it and it ended up being the dvd. So I have one of those if anyone wants it.
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Has anyone received the art book box set from Century Media? Or heard anything besides the email we got a couple of weeks ago? I haven’t received anymore communication from them.
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Has anyone received the art book box set from Century Media? Or heard anything besides the email we got a couple of weeks ago? I haven’t received anymore communication from them.
Nope. That's what I get for preordering it within 10 minutes of its announcement I guess.
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I wish I could find the cd of Live At Budokan. For some reason, it is really hard to find. And Amazon lists the cd, but I bought it and it ended up being the dvd. So I have one of those if anyone wants it.
I also have the DVD and missing the cd too! I remember back in the day they had stacks from that triple CD. Eventually a buddy of mine, which I have turned him to a fan, bought it and I got the live show!
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I wish I could find the cd of Live At Budokan. For some reason, it is really hard to find. And Amazon lists the cd, but I bought it and it ended up being the dvd. So I have one of those if anyone wants it.
I also have the DVD and missing the cd too! I remember back in the day they had stacks from that triple CD. Eventually a buddy of mine, which I have turned him to a fan, bought it and I got the live show!
I used to have it. But, that was a long while back. Now I only have 1 cd. Disc 1 got scratched to hell and Disc 3 got lost in my cd case.
I love those versions and it's why I want that cd again. Budokan is what got me into DT more after watching my uncle's dvd.
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I had the CDs when it came out but I got rid of all of them. I’ve been purely iTunes and Spotify for the past five years.
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Still waiting for my Vinyl to show up :/
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I wish I could find the cd of Live At Budokan. For some reason, it is really hard to find. And Amazon lists the cd, but I bought it and it ended up being the dvd. So I have one of those if anyone wants it.
I also have the DVD and missing the cd too! I remember back in the day they had stacks from that triple CD. Eventually a buddy of mine, which I have turned him to a fan, bought it and I got the live show!
I used to have it. But, that was a long while back. Now I only have 1 cd. Disc 1 got scratched to hell and Disc 3 got lost in my cd case.
I love those versions and it's why I want that cd again. Budokan is what got me into DT more after watching my uncle's dvd.
I have the CD edition with the misprint Majesty logo that came out orange instead of an embossed white. Still have it.
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I have that one, too. The 'correct' version just looks wrong to me now :lol
Here it is, just in case anyone's curious/never knew: https://www.discogs.com/Dream-Theater-Live-At-Budokan/release/4245070
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I was living in London at the time, I can't remember if those editions were limited to the UK. And didn't the initial pressings of the US DVD also have some issues with the 5.1?
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I've seen them on three MP era tours with that looser approach and I mostly hated that approach. I'm relived things are the way they are now.
This post jumped out at me. Hate is such a strong word. What exactly did you "hate" about how Mike Portnoy-era Dream Theater sounded live? Is it a case of the tempos being faster/slower than on the album? Genuinely confused.
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Speaking of hard to find live albums, I'm looking for the Blu-ray/3CD combo version of Breaking The Fourth Wall. if anyone has one lying around, and are willing to part with it, send up a smoke signal. I have the music, but I'm looking for the set itself for completeness sake.
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Speaking of hard to find live albums, I'm looking for the Blu-ray/3CD combo version of Breaking The Fourth Wall. if anyone has one lying around, and are willing to part with it, send up a smoke signal. I have the music, but I'm looking for the set itself for completeness sake.
Same here, I am having trouble finding this combo. I have the Bluray but haven't been able to get a hold of this 3 CD set.
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*I* don't even have the 3 CD set.
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I'm glad I still have my 3 cd set. and the CDs and Blu-ray are not scratched to hell.
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Wow guys. I have the 3CD set. You just gotta get on it early, just like I did for Distant Memories, of which I will be among the last to receive my copy.
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I'm still waiting for Distant Memories. Just watched Score over the weekend and I think that one is hard to top. Labrie was amazing on that one.
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Speaking of hard to find live albums, I'm looking for the Blu-ray/3CD combo version of Breaking The Fourth Wall. if anyone has one lying around, and are willing to part with it, send up a smoke signal. I have the music, but I'm looking for the set itself for completeness sake.
Have also been looking for the 3cd version for a while, to complete collection...and seeing there are others with same situation, makes me believe will be a difficult taks hehehe
Lets ask for a re-issue ;)
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I just watched Distant Memories on bluray last night, and it is fantastic! I could easily watch this show several times over.. :hat
My only question is: I thought someone said earlier in this thread that Neil Peart's name appeared on the gravestones along with the others during Through Her Eyes. I watched the song twice and didn't see it. Also, no Hendrix or Prince. I saw Squire and Rhoads several times.
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I just watched Distant Memories on bluray last night, and it is fantastic! I could easily watch this show several times over.. :hat
My only question is: I thought someone said earlier in this thread that Neil Peart's name appeared on the gravestones along with the others during Through Her Eyes. I watched the song twice and didn't see it. Also, no Hendrix or Prince. I saw Squire and Rhoads several times.
It was but I’m guessing they didn’t have permission from Neil’s family to put it on the dvd
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I just watched Distant Memories on bluray last night, and it is fantastic! I could easily watch this show several times over.. :hat
My only question is: I thought someone said earlier in this thread that Neil Peart's name appeared on the gravestones along with the others during Through Her Eyes. I watched the song twice and didn't see it. Also, no Hendrix or Prince. I saw Squire and Rhoads several times.
It was but I’m guessing they didn’t have permission from Neil’s family to put it on the dvd
Do you need permission for something like that? It's paying tribute to artists that have passed away - it's not like it's a selling point of the video. If so, very strange/lame that they couldn't include those names.
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This may be the first ever DT release, live or otherwise, that I'll be passing on.
From what I've seen it just doesn't feel like a good show. From the audience right through to the production. I'm very sad/reluctant to say it seems like JL is really struggling with just about everything these days and he always sounds so out of breath.
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I just watched Distant Memories on bluray last night, and it is fantastic! I could easily watch this show several times over.. :hat
My only question is: I thought someone said earlier in this thread that Neil Peart's name appeared on the gravestones along with the others during Through Her Eyes. I watched the song twice and didn't see it. Also, no Hendrix or Prince. I saw Squire and Rhoads several times.
It was but I’m guessing they didn’t have permission from Neil’s family to put it on the dvd
Do you need permission for something like that? It's paying tribute to artists that have passed away - it's not like it's a selling point of the video. If so, very strange/lame that they couldn't include those names.
Unfortunately, it's not really possible to say without knowing more, though if I had to bet, I'd say it wasn't a legal thing at all.
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Just unpacking my Distant Memories this morning. Damn, what beautiful packaging. Great band pics and artwork. Love the B&W pick taken from behind JP, JLB, and JM.
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I just watched Distant Memories on bluray last night, and it is fantastic! I could easily watch this show several times over.. :hat
My only question is: I thought someone said earlier in this thread that Neil Peart's name appeared on the gravestones along with the others during Through Her Eyes. I watched the song twice and didn't see it. Also, no Hendrix or Prince. I saw Squire and Rhoads several times.
It was but I’m guessing they didn’t have permission from Neil’s family to put it on the dvd
Do you need permission for something like that? It's paying tribute to artists that have passed away - it's not like it's a selling point of the video. If so, very strange/lame that they couldn't include those names.
Unfortunately, it's not really possible to say without knowing more, though if I had to bet, I'd say it wasn't a legal thing at all.
There's something strange going on there. I know if JP had his way, Peart's name would be included since Rush is his favorite band of all time. All DT members highly regard Rush. There would have been plenty of room for Prince and Hendrix too, since Squire's name appears at least three times.
I wonder if those names were originally included and had to be removed for legal reasons, so they just used Squire's name multiple times instead?
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I just watched Distant Memories on bluray last night, and it is fantastic! I could easily watch this show several times over.. :hat
My only question is: I thought someone said earlier in this thread that Neil Peart's name appeared on the gravestones along with the others during Through Her Eyes. I watched the song twice and didn't see it. Also, no Hendrix or Prince. I saw Squire and Rhoads several times.
It was but I’m guessing they didn’t have permission from Neil’s family to put it on the dvd
Do you need permission for something like that? It's paying tribute to artists that have passed away - it's not like it's a selling point of the video. If so, very strange/lame that they couldn't include those names.
Unfortunately, it's not really possible to say without knowing more, though if I had to bet, I'd say it wasn't a legal thing at all.
There's something strange going on there. I know if JP had his way, Peart's name would be included since Rush is his favorite band of all time. All DT members highly regard Rush. There would have been plenty of room for Prince and Hendrix too, since Squire's name appears at least three times.
I wonder if those names were originally included and had to be removed for legal reasons, so they just used Squire's name multiple times instead?
My guess is that it is the editing for the video and nothing more.
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Idk, but if it was just editing Petrucci wouldn't have stood for that.
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Just unpacking my Distant Memories this morning. Damn, what beautiful packaging. Great band pics and artwork. Love the B&W pick taken from behind JP, JLB, and JM.
Did you get the artbook version? Mine's apparently set to be delivered this Tuesday.
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I just listened to it. It's good, I don't understand the criticism of James. His pronunciation is a bit weird sometimes, but he's still hitting notes he hit 25 years ago, and sometimes going beyond those notes. Sounds fine to me.
My only gripe about the performances is Jordan's solos sometimes got drowned in the mix. I remember in the Home solo it had too much reverb and it was hard to hear the lower notes.
Best performance of the set was Beyond This Life.
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Listened to the SFAM portion again last night. One thing I really appreciate about this performance is that Mangini hit those bass drum patterns and then some. SFAM was not Portnoy's best work (still Awake and FII) but what SFAM brought to the table was Portnoy's best footwork. It's amazing. My disappointment with LSFNY was Portnoy did not seem to bother hitting those bass drum patterns, going more basic or substituting with tom fills (which sounds less impressive). In Distant Memories, Mangini hit those bass drum patterns and added some more complexities. Love it.
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Listened to the SFAM portion again last night. One thing I really appreciate about this performance is that Mangini hit those bass drum patterns and then some. SFAM was not Portnoy's best work (still Awake and FII) but what SFAM brought to the table was Portnoy's best footwork. It's amazing. My disappointment with LSFNY was Portnoy did not seem to bother hitting those bass drum patterns, going more basic or substituting with tom fills (which sounds less impressive). In Distant Memories, Mangini hit those bass drum patterns and added some more complexities. Love it.
Well I know that MP cleaned up his act a long time ago but in LSFNY he looked pretty f'd up which may explain the toning down of his footwork. He did after all had to get IVs after the show which I can only assume was for dehydration.
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Just unpacking my Distant Memories this morning. Damn, what beautiful packaging. Great band pics and artwork. Love the B&W pick taken from behind JP, JLB, and JM.
Did you get the artbook version? Mine's apparently set to be delivered this Tuesday.
I did not.
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Got my artbook in today from Century Media (oddly enough, it shipped well after my Frost* 13 Winters artbook, but it arrived before hand...sigh).
The artbook is a gorgeous package, lots of wonderful pictures inside, and the 7 discs are all nicely presented with some cool disc artwork. I can't wait to watch this concert, especially after listening to every DT studio album over this past week.
-Marc.
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I've spotted some people saying this concert film is awfully shot. What the crap are they seeing? It all looks beautiful to me. Best cinematography DT's had in years (although the Budokan 2017 concert is a close contender. Japanese filming teams are amazing)
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I've spotted some people saying this concert film is awfully shot. What the crap are they seeing? It all looks beautiful to me. Best cinematography DT's had in years (although the Budokan 2017 concert is a close contender. Japanese filming teams are amazing)
I think this is one of the best DT live releases visually.
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I haven’t bought this yet based on the early reviews I saw which almost universally stated that this was more “touched up” than any other DT live release.
Now I’m seeing more positive feedback.
How obvious is the “touching up” on this? Is it like Unleashed in the East? (I.e. basically a studio release with audience noise)
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It sounds like a recording from the soundboard because the audience sound is minimal, but I would take this than the blatantly fake audience noise in BTFW (the repeating high oitched laugh in the left speaker was the giveaway).
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I haven’t bought this yet based on the early reviews I saw which almost universally stated that this was more “touched up” than any other DT live release.
Now I’m seeing more positive feedback.
How obvious is the “touching up” on this? Is it like Unleashed in the East? (I.e. basically a studio release with audience noise)
I was skeptical for a while but I finally bought it. Distant Memories is a MUST have for any true DT fan. The visuals and sound are B-E-A-utiful. JLB said in a recent interview that nothing was touched up and I believe him. It's worth every penny.. :hat
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I've spotted some people saying this concert film is awfully shot. What the crap are they seeing? It all looks beautiful to me. Best cinematography DT's had in years (although the Budokan 2017 concert is a close contender. Japanese filming teams are amazing)
It is for the most part, the only thing that is kinda funny is the dramatic zooms while focusing on a member and some strange angles..other than that it's nicely done overall.
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How obvious is the “touching up” on this? Is it like Unleashed in the East? (I.e. basically a studio release with audience noise)
Different things are more obvious to different people. I would never have known Unleashed In The East was 'touched up' if no-one had told me. Meanwhile, Distant Memories is lavished in obvious pitch correction, but that's par for the course on a modern live release.
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Mine came today....
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I've spotted some people saying this concert film is awfully shot. What the crap are they seeing? It all looks beautiful to me. Best cinematography DT's had in years (although the Budokan 2017 concert is a close contender. Japanese filming teams are amazing)
It is for the most part, the only thing that is kinda funny is the dramatic zooms while focusing on a member and some strange angles..other than that it's nicely done overall.
I really don't get the strange angles you speak of. It all looks so great to me, shot-wise. For some weird camera gimmicks, Live at Luna Park for sure.
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UPDATE:
IT'S IN MY STATE!
Says it will be delivered Wed. but usually when it hits the main hub in my state it is delivered the next day. Of course, everything is fucked up with the postal service now so who knows.
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Just listened to the first song on CD and watched it on bluray with the stereo mix. The quality is amazing, I love the mix of this album. Can't wait to hear the whole thing.
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I received my artbook. Haven't had a chance to watch/listen to it yet, but the packaging is incredible.
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I received my artbook. Haven't had a chance to watch/listen to it yet, but the packaging is incredible.
It absolutely is, made a post with some pics here (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55975.msg2734602#msg2734602)
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I still have not received my artbook, those who did, did you get further communication about your shipment since the delayed announcement?
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After the 1st email regarding the delay, I sent an email to Century Media asking for an update, they gave a standard reply back on the expected date of shipping. It was supposed to ship around 12/11 but shipped around 12/21 instead. I got mine "Yesterday".
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I still have not received my artbook, those who did, did you get further communication about your shipment since the delayed announcement?
After the email explaining that there would be a delay, I got another email about the likely date of shipment.
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I still have not received my artbook, those who did, did you get further communication about your shipment since the delayed announcement?
After the email explaining that there would be a delay, I got another email about the likely date of shipment.
Maybe I should contact them, haven't gotten any notification of shipment and that delay email said there should be one, but seeing folks here are getting them, now I'm concerned. Unless it arrives today...
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I still have not received my artbook, those who did, did you get further communication about your shipment since the delayed announcement?
After the email explaining that there would be a delay, I got another email about the likely date of shipment.
Maybe I should contact them, haven't gotten any notification of shipment and that delay email said there should be one, but seeing folks here are getting them, now I'm concerned. Unless it arrives today...
On your original order email confirmation, there is a link to check the status of the order, clicking that will tell you if it's been shipped or still waiting to ship.
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I got the notice on the 18th saying it had a tracking number and on it's way. But it took several days to leave (from Greensboro I think). And just when I figured it was lost in the mail, I got another notice and it started to make it's way across the states. I am scheduled to get in on the 31st.
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I still have not received my artbook, those who did, did you get further communication about your shipment since the delayed announcement?
After the email explaining that there would be a delay, I got another email about the likely date of shipment.
Maybe I should contact them, haven't gotten any notification of shipment and that delay email said there should be one, but seeing folks here are getting them, now I'm concerned. Unless it arrives today...
On your original order email confirmation, there is a link to check the status of the order, clicking that will tell you if it's been shipped or still waiting to ship.
Now this is my real problem... I needed to free up space on my google drive last week and accidentally deleted that email. :facepalm: (same with my Blind Guardian order I'm also still waiting on...) I have the charge on my credit card I see from Oct 8th as proof of purchase, but this may be harder to track down now. Ugh, hopefully it just arrives today, but then again, in theory I should have gotten an email of shipment.
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Maybe I needed to put this out there as I got an email after that last post that my package has shipped. :yarr
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Nice! I checked and my email for more info was sent on the 17th back when they said I should be getting it on the 18th. They replied back the same day saying it would ship around 21st. I got an email on the 20th that it shipped.
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I just received mine.
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Me too. BTW, the "Behind the Scenes" sucked.
C'mon DT! Obviously the concert itself is the main focus and that alone makes it worth every penny BUT would it kill you to put more effort into the supplemental stuff?
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Yeah it’s a shame it was so short. I was just thinking about JP mentioning that they were shooting behind the scenes footage for the writing process for DT15, and I just hope it’s a decent length and not just a five minute montage like the one on Distant Memories. If it’s anything like Chaos in Progress that’d be amazing, but I’m not holding my breath seeing as that was Portnoy’s thing.
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Yeah it’s a shame it was so short. I was just thinking about JP mentioning that they were shooting behind the scenes footage for the writing process for DT15, and I just hope it’s a decent length and not just a five minute montage like the one on Distant Memories. If it’s anything like Chaos in Progress that’d be amazing, but I’m not holding my breath seeing as that was Portnoy’s thing.
I was going to say as well, MP was the one who was always filming stuff. Who is filming stuff when DT are touring now. I could only see JR being the one that would have footage to get a Behind The Scenes vid from. But then, they could've had more footage, but not enough time to make a good length behind the scenes video.
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Funny thing is, even though that was Portnoy's thing, the other guys were kind of the stars of the supplemental material. Those guys are hilarious.
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I'm watching it now. And I am loving the Title Screen. That is a cool way to have the title screen with the before the show action going on. That's pretty sweet. As it adds to that live feel before the show goes on.
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Me too. BTW, the "Behind the Scenes" sucked.
C'mon DT! Obviously the concert itself is the main focus and that alone makes it worth every penny BUT would it kill you to put more effort into the supplemental stuff?
What is that exactly, I think they've shown some of this on a trailer before the release..is it just a backstage prep footage?
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Me too. BTW, the "Behind the Scenes" sucked.
C'mon DT! Obviously the concert itself is the main focus and that alone makes it worth every penny BUT would it kill you to put more effort into the supplemental stuff?
What is that exactly, I think they've shown some of this on a trailer before the release..is it just a backstage prep footage?
It's just a montage of Backstage, Before show, during show, and after show footage, with Out of Reach being the background music. They likely only had that camera during that show of the tour, and only had so much footage available to use, so just decided to do a montage.
As I said, the reason why we got the Chaos In Motion Behind the Scenes, is due to MP being the one who always had a camera on. The only one close to that is JR.
Most times, the bands have a camera man that is hired by the filming company that is going to be filming the Live Album show. That camera man, follows the band and tours with them on the bus. Nightwish likely already planned to film the Wacken show for the Showtime, Storytime live album, but unfortunately things happened during the tour and that footage of Anette was scrubbed from inclusion, as was stated in the beginning of the behind the scenes, and that made for a really good behind the scenes. They likely did the same thing for End of An Era, with the filming crew.
or they could go full on Metallica, and hire a film crew to document their turmoil during the most intense era of the band. :rollin
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Me too. BTW, the "Behind the Scenes" sucked.
C'mon DT! Obviously the concert itself is the main focus and that alone makes it worth every penny BUT would it kill you to put more effort into the supplemental stuff?
What is that exactly, I think they've shown some of this on a trailer before the release..is it just a backstage prep footage?
It's just a montage of Backstage, Before show, during show, and after show footage, with Out of Reach being the background music.
It was also weird that after a few random shots, the lyrics kick in and right when James sings, "There's something about this girl..." the camera cuts to Jordan Rudess doing a goofy wave at the camera.
:facepalm:
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Me too. BTW, the "Behind the Scenes" sucked.
C'mon DT! Obviously the concert itself is the main focus and that alone makes it worth every penny BUT would it kill you to put more effort into the supplemental stuff?
What is that exactly, I think they've shown some of this on a trailer before the release..is it just a backstage prep footage?
It's just a montage of Backstage, Before show, during show, and after show footage, with Out of Reach being the background music.
It was also weird that after a few random shots, the lyrics kick in and right when James sings, "There's something about this girl..." the camera cuts to Jordan Rudess doing a goofy wave at the camera.
:facepalm:
Why does it bother you so much? :lol
I didn't even care they used the song, nor paid that much attention to the detail of what lyric is sung and what image is shown when those words are sung.
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Me too. BTW, the "Behind the Scenes" sucked.
C'mon DT! Obviously the concert itself is the main focus and that alone makes it worth every penny BUT would it kill you to put more effort into the supplemental stuff?
What is that exactly, I think they've shown some of this on a trailer before the release..is it just a backstage prep footage?
It's just a montage of Backstage, Before show, during show, and after show footage, with Out of Reach being the background music.
It was also weird that after a few random shots, the lyrics kick in and right when James sings, "There's something about this girl..." the camera cuts to Jordan Rudess doing a goofy wave at the camera.
:facepalm:
Why does it bother you so much? :lol
I didn't even care they used the song, nor paid that much attention to the detail of what lyric is sung and what image is shown when those words are sung.
I mean, if that line was sung as they were panning over the soundboard or a stock image of a road case, I doubt I would think anything of it. Even if it was an extended spot of Jordan showing off his keytar, but instead it was, "There's something about that girl..." *BAM* Jordan Rudess!
I mean, it is a weird song to have a concert setup montage for anyway.
"....that girl..."
*BAM*
Jordan Rudess
Now Jordan Rudess is *that girl* and I have to envision James thinking about Jordan as he sings it. There is no escape.
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Me too. BTW, the "Behind the Scenes" sucked.
C'mon DT! Obviously the concert itself is the main focus and that alone makes it worth every penny BUT would it kill you to put more effort into the supplemental stuff?
What is that exactly, I think they've shown some of this on a trailer before the release..is it just a backstage prep footage?
It's just a montage of Backstage, Before show, during show, and after show footage, with Out of Reach being the background music.
It was also weird that after a few random shots, the lyrics kick in and right when James sings, "There's something about this girl..." the camera cuts to Jordan Rudess doing a goofy wave at the camera.
:facepalm:
Why does it bother you so much? :lol
I didn't even care they used the song, nor paid that much attention to the detail of what lyric is sung and what image is shown when those words are sung.
I mean, if that line was sung as they were panning over the soundboard or a stock image of a road case, I doubt I would think anything of it. Even if it was an extended spot of Jordan showing off his keytar, but instead it was, "There's something about that girl..." *BAM* Jordan Rudess!
I mean, it is a weird song to have a concert setup montage for anyway.
"....that girl..."
*BAM*
Jordan Rudess
Now Jordan Rudess is *that girl* and I have to envision James thinking about Jordan as he sings it. There is no escape.
Sounds like you could use a good dose of the Vulcan mind-meld to forget......... :coolio
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:rollin
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Me too. BTW, the "Behind the Scenes" sucked.
C'mon DT! Obviously the concert itself is the main focus and that alone makes it worth every penny BUT would it kill you to put more effort into the supplemental stuff?
What is that exactly, I think they've shown some of this on a trailer before the release..is it just a backstage prep footage?
It's just a montage of Backstage, Before show, during show, and after show footage, with Out of Reach being the background music.
It was also weird that after a few random shots, the lyrics kick in and right when James sings, "There's something about this girl..." the camera cuts to Jordan Rudess doing a goofy wave at the camera.
:facepalm:
Why does it bother you so much? :lol
I didn't even care they used the song, nor paid that much attention to the detail of what lyric is sung and what image is shown when those words are sung.
I mean, if that line was sung as they were panning over the soundboard or a stock image of a road case, I doubt I would think anything of it. Even if it was an extended spot of Jordan showing off his keytar, but instead it was, "There's something about that girl..." *BAM* Jordan Rudess!
I mean, it is a weird song to have a concert setup montage for anyway.
"....that girl..."
*BAM*
Jordan Rudess
Now Jordan Rudess is *that girl* and I have to envision James thinking about Jordan as he sings it. There is no escape.
:lol
I didn't notice that at all.
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I’ve noticed some people posted some pics of some of the artwork with printed signatures on them, ...
Anyone know which package came with those ?
I have the art book set (haven’t opened yet) as well as the red vinyl set (also not opened)
Thanks !
Rich
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Hmm... I've got one of those. I think it was in with the vinyl.
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Anyone notice during the show that people even in the front row were scrolling on their stupid phones. Those kind of people are not worthy of a front row seat! :tdwn :lol
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Anyone notice during the show that people even in the front row were scrolling on their stupid phones. Those kind of people are not worthy of a front row seat! :tdwn :lol
Truth.
I'll admit I sometimes get out my phone for a pic or two and even record some video (never holding it above my head unless it's for a total of 1 or 2 seconds total out of the 3 hour show). But I limit that and never post it, during the show let alone text or anything else.
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There's one chap in the front row, long grey hair, who is staring down at his phone virtually every single time he's on screen, and he's on screen almost as much as John Myung. Once you see him, you won't be able to unsee him. He's in all the crowd shots from the first night.
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Me too. BTW, the "Behind the Scenes" sucked.
C'mon DT! Obviously the concert itself is the main focus and that alone makes it worth every penny BUT would it kill you to put more effort into the supplemental stuff?
What is that exactly, I think they've shown some of this on a trailer before the release..is it just a backstage prep footage?
It's just a montage of Backstage, Before show, during show, and after show footage, with Out of Reach being the background music.
It was also weird that after a few random shots, the lyrics kick in and right when James sings, "There's something about this girl..." the camera cuts to Jordan Rudess doing a goofy wave at the camera.
:facepalm:
Why does it bother you so much? :lol
For real lol
I do miss the documentaries from earlier DVDs, but they were clearly a MP thing and there's nothing we can do about that but to learn to live without them. They have said they're documenting and filming the process of creating their new studio album so that's kinda nice.
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This is such a fantastic release. The live set is terrific. I have kind of mixed feelings about Scenes. LSFNY is what really made me a hardcore fan, and I watched and listened to that nonstop. I really consider that to be the definitive live version. That said, playing it on this anniversary tour was absolutely appropriate. And given that they played it, preserving it for a live release is also absolutely appropriate. And the performance is top notch. But I cannot help but compare it, and even though it is a great presentation of the album, it suffers a bit by comparison because it just cannot have the magic that that prior release had at that time in the band's history and in my life. But again, that isn't a complaint. I am really happy with just about everything about this release (notwithstanding the "behind the scenes" really falling short).
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Still haven't decided whether to get this or not since I've also got LALP ( Live And Long Prosper ) and BTFW.
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Still haven't decided whether to get this or not since I've also got LALP ( Live And Long Prosper ) and BTFW.
Me either to be honest.
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This is, by far, the best produced Blu-ray from the Mangini era; so I’d say it’s definitely worth it. The Scenes part is quickly growing in me, and I might even go as far as to say this is the definitive live version of that album. Live Scenes has youth and a different energy going for it, but this one really has everything else.
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Finally finished watching this new collection. Absolutely fantastic. Even songs I don't care for (like Nightmare to Remember) translate pretty well to blu-ray, as it did for the live shows I attended. I even like the Behind the Scenes video for what it is (even though I would have liked to see a longer documentary, or perhaps even a commentary track).
Also, the packaging for the artbook is amazing.
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Should have my artbook tomorrow finally
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Finally finished watching this new collection. Absolutely fantastic. Even songs I don't care for (like Nightmare to Remember) translate pretty well to blu-ray, as it did for the live shows I attended. I even like the Behind the Scenes video for what it is (even though I would have liked to see a longer documentary, or perhaps even a commentary track).
I agree, the bluray is amazing. Both sound and picture are the best I've seen of all their live releases. I like how the vivid colors of the light show really stood out too.
I listened to the first audio only cd last night and it really made me appreciate how good of a sounding live album this really is. It is just as enjoyable to listen to it without the video. I'm so glad that the cd's are part of the package. :tup
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I really enjoyed JP describing how the touring process is a bit in the artbook. How they discuss, what is going on the video, what lights they want, all that pre-production stuff. And then, the show itself. That's great in itself, and should help people understand, exactly how much it takes to do a tour.
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Dang, you're making me want to buy the art book now. Also, JP really showcases his 2020 line-up of the Majesty guitars in this show. They all look great but the one that really jumped out at me was the sparkled one he played during Home. That thing looked amazing under lights (does anybody know what that one is called?). The Purple Nebula which was featured for most of Scenes is another one that stood out. :omg:
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Not sure about the green one, but quick story: I remember when the first Majesty line debuted during the DT12 tour, and I was impressed with how cool they looked. I told JP after the show in SF that they kinda looked like they were inspired by sports cars. His face absolutely lit up, and he said that was the perfect analogy.
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Not sure about the green one, but quick story: I remember when the first Majesty line debuted during the DT12 tour, and I was impressed with how cool they looked. I told JP after the show in SF that they kinda looked like they were inspired by sports cars. His face absolutely lit up, and he said that was the perfect analogy.
Oh completely, that was my first thought when I saw the Majesties. I said to myself, that's gotta be like driving a Ferrari or something. I hope to acquire a Majesty someday, I love how the ergonomics are designed...nothing gets in the way..
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I really enjoyed JP describing how the touring process is a bit in the artbook. How they discuss, what is going on the video, what lights they want, all that pre-production stuff. And then, the show itself. That's great in itself, and should help people understand, exactly how much it takes to do a tour.
I loved that too.
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Finally finished watching this new collection. Absolutely fantastic. Even songs I don't care for (like Nightmare to Remember) translate pretty well to blu-ray, as it did for the live shows I attended. I even like the Behind the Scenes video for what it is (even though I would have liked to see a longer documentary, or perhaps even a commentary track).
Also, the packaging for the artbook is amazing.
This! I've enjoyed the Metropolis 2000 video since it came out but, this show really gave the production value to this album that it deserved. I was particularly impressed by Home.
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Favorite part for me is when MM is doing the blast on ANTR and then doubles the speed to show everyone what a real blast sounds like :metal
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Favorite part for me is when MM is doing the blast on ANTR and then doubles the speed to show everyone what a real blast sounds like :metal
I think a lot of people were anxious to hear that song live. Just to hear JLB do the MP part, and for how Mangini will do the blast-beat. I wonder if that's what he did on the drummer auditions?...His kickdrum work is really great here. I really like it on the "Father and Mother.." section.
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Can someone please point out when (MM:SS) does this blast beat appear in ANTR?
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Can someone please point out when (MM:SS) does this blast beat appear in ANTR?
(14:30) on Distant Memories
(14:44) on Black Clouds and Silver Linings
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Not sure about the green one, but quick story: I remember when the first Majesty line debuted during the DT12 tour, and I was impressed with how cool they looked. I told JP after the show in SF that they kinda looked like they were inspired by sports cars. His face absolutely lit up, and he said that was the perfect analogy.
There was an interview with JP about his newest majesty and he spoke about how it was inspired by the BMW M6, I can definitely see it. I think the video was on the Andertons youtube channel.
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It finally arrived yesterday, I'm giving it a first watch now (while browsing DTF!). I'm really enjoying it - I'm on the SFAM portion now. Great audio and visuals. And of course a top notch performance.
"I can't love a wayward MAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!" :lol
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It finally arrived yesterday, I'm giving it a first watch now (while browsing DTF!). I'm really enjoying it - I'm on the SFAM portion now. Great audio and visuals. And of course a top notch performance.
"I can't love a wayward MAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!" :lol
JLB is really good on that track. Those high parts sound very powerful.
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It finally arrived yesterday, I'm giving it a first watch now (while browsing DTF!). I'm really enjoying it - I'm on the SFAM portion now. Great audio and visuals. And of course a top notch performance.
"I can't love a wayward MAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!" :lol
Mine was supposed to arrive yesterday but got delayed, it should be at my front door for when I get home today though according to tracking :metal :metal
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Got these two yesterday from my favorite DT bands :metal :metal
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErFkiMbXEAMGyGH?format=jpg&name=large)
I almost don't want to open them, it looks so nice! I may crack into them tonight but if not, for sure this weekend :yarr
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You're gonna wait until the weekend? You have a lot more self control than I do. :lol
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You're gonna wait until the weekend? You have a lot more self control than I do. :lol
Well I've been going into work this week, if I were working from home I could play them while I work. I've waited long enough so another day or two isn't a big deal if it means I can sit back and relax and enjoy it without being distracted.
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Got these two yesterday from my favorite DT bands :metal :metal
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErFkiMbXEAMGyGH?format=jpg&name=large)
I almost don't want to open them, it looks so nice! I may crack into them tonight but if not, for sure this weekend :yarr
Mate, this is incredible coincidence - i've been on both gigs personally and got both artbooks recently :metal and i love it! DT artbook seems better to me though
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Which DT? :biggrin: and by saying artbook do you mean the actual physical product or do you mean the album itself? I haven't even ripped the plastic off because they both just look so awesome.
Personally, I'm actually looking forward to Devin's more because it's much more unique of a live album but of course I really want to watch set 1 of Dream Theater's.
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DT artbook seems better to me though
DT is better than DT :lol
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OMG DT is shortcut for both :lol
I meant Dream Theater. Yes, i've got both artbooks on the picture and Dream Theater's one is slightly better than Devin's to me. But both of them are beautiful memories on those fantastic gigs, in Devin's case before the whole pandemic thing started and ruined our plans.
And since i'm newbie on this amazing DT forums, i would like to mention, that second night in London was my first Dream Theater live experience and i was so pleased when i found out on Facebook that they're shooting those gigs for a live Blu-ray. Dream came true again after Devin's gig to be captured on moving pictures and i was sort of a part of it :)
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:lol it's all good, welcome to the forum.
I got to see both DT's twice during their tours in the US, another reason why I'm excited to watch and relive those memories even if it's not a capture of the shows I attended.
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OMG DT is shortcut for both :lol
First, welcome to DTF! :metal
Also, a funny story. I remember, back in 2012 when MP still did Twitter Q&As, and was announcing that AMOB was going to record a few covers or something along the way, he said he was taking suggestions for songs to cover and I replied with an innocent "what about some DT?". Well... he replied in his classic MP sarcasm saying something like "DT? You mean Devin Townsend or Dangerous Toys? : )" :rollin
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First, welcome to DTF! :metal
:lol it's all good, welcome to the forum.
cheers guys
Devin in London 2019 was also my first live experience with this bald prog magician. What a beautiful times :-\
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OMG DT is shortcut for both :lol
First, welcome to DTF! :metal
Also, a funny story. I remember, back in 2012 when MP still did Twitter Q&As, and was announcing that AMOB was going to record a few covers or something along the way, he said he was taking suggestions for songs to cover and I replied with an innocent "what about some DT?". Well... he replied in his classic MP sarcasm saying something like "DT? You mean Devin Townsend or Dangerous Toys? : )" :rollin
Maybe Dark Tranquility or Darkthrone... ;D
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Devin in London 2019 was also my first live experience with this bald prog magician. What a beautiful times :-\
That's one hell of a way to be introduced to Devin live.
My first time seeing Devin was at ProgPower with Anneke in 2016 so I guess I also got lucky to see a special performance my first time. It may be a bit buried on DTF, but make sure you check out the Devin thread for discussion there. He's fairly popular on the forum. So I won't clog up the this thread with more DT talk.
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Devin in London 2019 was also my first live experience with this bald prog magician. What a beautiful times :-\
but make sure you check out the Devin thread for discussion there. He's fairly popular on the forum. So I won't clog up the this thread with more DT talk.
Yeah you should really get back to the DT discussions.
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Devin in London 2019 was also my first live experience with this bald prog magician. What a beautiful times :-\
but make sure you check out the Devin thread for discussion there. He's fairly popular on the forum. So I won't clog up the this thread with more DT talk.
Yeah you should really get back to the DT discussions.
Mundane and The Magic is an amazing DT song... :biggrin:
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The special edition cover art is so much better than the regular one. I remember something similar happened with Systematic Chaos.
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The special edition cover art is so much better than the regular one. I remember something similar happened with Systematic Chaos.
Indeed.
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Devin in London 2019 was also my first live experience with this bald prog magician. What a beautiful times :-\
but make sure you check out the Devin thread for discussion there. He's fairly popular on the forum. So I won't clog up the this thread with more DT talk.
Yeah you should really get back to the DT discussions.
Mundane and The Magic is an amazing DT song... :biggrin:
Ah! The best! :metal
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Can someone please point out when (MM:SS) does this blast beat appear in ANTR?
(14:30) on Distant Memories
(14:44) on Black Clouds and Silver Linings
Thanks! Mangini doubling the time on the second half is indeed very cool [as Dream Team said].
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Well I just finished watching. Bravo! :metal The only thing that could have been better was the crowd.
For a Christmas present, my son who is into Rap, watched the show with me. He couldn't believe everyone was sitting. And I agree. Thank goodness for my buddy Darryl in the front row giving some energy!. It did get better about Home though, but everyone was still mostly sitting. I will never understand it. My energy is too big to want to sit at a rock concert!
I am not sure how anyone could say anything bad about James singing. He nailed it!. :yarr He has the scream in Nightmare and in another song later in Scenes but I don't remember which one now. I have always loved his voice from the first moment I heard it.
Mangini cracked us both up when he had a very slow part and super exaggerated it like a slo-mo shot.
I enjoyed the many little different things Jordan did.
And.. on the home screen 2nd disc, I got to see myself! It was during intermission and I had made friends with the woman next to me who was waaay excited for Scenes. It was funny to watch myself.
Dream Theater never disappoints!!
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I am not sure how anyone could say anything bad about James singing. He nailed it!.
Well, as regards the performance that was released, you're right. Technology is powerful.
I thoroughly enjoyed watching the blu-ray. Definitely the best looking and sounding release since the original Budokan.
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I am not sure how anyone could say anything bad about James singing. He nailed it!.
Well, as regards the performance that was released, you're right. Technology is powerful.
I thoroughly enjoyed watching the blu-ray. Definitely the best looking and sounding release since the original Budokan.
I felt he nailed when I was in London at the show. It sounded the same to me.
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To guy in the front row with king white hair. You know, who was looking down at his phone every time he was on camera. You know, like in the middle of an amazing Petrucci solo, when everyone was in awe and we can see your head down on your phone. In the front row. From the bottom of my heart, go fuck your self. Please never go to a concert again.
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Maybe he’s not a fan and just got dragged along by his mate/partner as a favour for them?
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Well I just finished watching. Bravo! :metal The only thing that could have been better was the crowd.
For a Christmas present, my son who is into Rap, watched the show with me. He couldn't believe everyone was sitting. And I agree. Thank goodness for my buddy Darryl in the front row giving some energy!. It did get better about Home though, but everyone was still mostly sitting. I will never understand it. My energy is too big to want to sit at a rock concert!
I am not sure how anyone could say anything bad about James singing. He nailed it!. :yarr He has the scream in Nightmare and in another song later in Scenes but I don't remember which one now. I have always loved his voice from the first moment I heard it.
Mangini cracked us both up when he had a very slow part and super exaggerated it like a slo-mo shot.
I enjoyed the many little different things Jordan did.
And.. on the home screen 2nd disc, I got to see myself! It was during intermission and I had made friends with the woman next to me who was waaay excited for Scenes. It was funny to watch myself.
Dream Theater never disappoints!!
I think that's very cool. I've never appeared in an official release by any band, but the New York Daily News printed a photo taken during the Temple Of The Dog show at Madison Square Garden, and I could see myself in the crowd. That was a cool feeling!
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To guy in the front row with king white hair. You know, who was looking down at his phone every time he was on camera. You know, like in the middle of an amazing Petrucci solo, when everyone was in awe and we can see your head down on your phone. In the front row. From the bottom of my heart, go fuck your self. Please never go to a concert again.
Or a Label Rep. Or someone related to Management. Or just a fan, whom happened to be looking at his phone every time the camera edit was on him. I sometimes look at my phone real quick, to see the time, or to see if anyone messaged me something, It's quick but also, the camera edits are quick and the guy could be doing the same thing...
Well I just finished watching. Bravo! :metal The only thing that could have been better was the crowd.
For a Christmas present, my son who is into Rap, watched the show with me. He couldn't believe everyone was sitting. And I agree. Thank goodness for my buddy Darryl in the front row giving some energy!. It did get better about Home though, but everyone was still mostly sitting. I will never understand it. My energy is too big to want to sit at a rock concert!
I am not sure how anyone could say anything bad about James singing. He nailed it!. :yarr He has the scream in Nightmare and in another song later in Scenes but I don't remember which one now. I have always loved his voice from the first moment I heard it.
Mangini cracked us both up when he had a very slow part and super exaggerated it like a slo-mo shot.
I enjoyed the many little different things Jordan did.
And.. on the home screen 2nd disc, I got to see myself! It was during intermission and I had made friends with the woman next to me who was waaay excited for Scenes. It was funny to watch myself.
Dream Theater never disappoints!!
You mean people are sitting, not because they're old and their legs can't stand for that long. Just rattling your bones. But for real, A lot of Dream Theater fans are older people, I see it all the time, and the venues play a role in that. I saw Joe Satriani and that show was all seated. Usually, wheter the crowd is up on their feet or not, is determined by the crowd, not the band. That is also, determined by many variables. Including, Age of the audience, the music that is being presented, and the atmosphere within that show. If the majority of the crowd is older, say...55, then the crowd will likely be seated. If the younger crowd is majority, then the crowd tends to be on their feet. I've seen older bands, put the slower songs in the mid-set slot, so the audience can have a chance to sit, and rest their knees. :lol
I know bands who choose to play Seated Venues more than standing venues, all do their own variables as well.
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Well I just finished watching. Bravo! :metal The only thing that could have been better was the crowd.
For a Christmas present, my son who is into Rap, watched the show with me. He couldn't believe everyone was sitting. And I agree. Thank goodness for my buddy Darryl in the front row giving some energy!. It did get better about Home though, but everyone was still mostly sitting. I will never understand it. My energy is too big to want to sit at a rock concert!
I am not sure how anyone could say anything bad about James singing. He nailed it!. :yarr He has the scream in Nightmare and in another song later in Scenes but I don't remember which one now. I have always loved his voice from the first moment I heard it.
Mangini cracked us both up when he had a very slow part and super exaggerated it like a slo-mo shot.
I enjoyed the many little different things Jordan did.
And.. on the home screen 2nd disc, I got to see myself! It was during intermission and I had made friends with the woman next to me who was waaay excited for Scenes. It was funny to watch myself.
Dream Theater never disappoints!!
I think that's very cool. I've never appeared in an official release by any band, but the New York Daily News printed a photo taken during the Temple Of The Dog show at Madison Square Garden, and I could see myself in the crowd. That was a cool feeling!
That's awesome. I love how they did that with the pre-show and intermission sounds. I noticed the voices when I was waiting on the last leg of the tour in Mesa.
It is a cool feeling seeing yourself in the crowd shots, or crowd photos. Like me having a Monster Inc. Mike Wizowski moment, almost. I'm in Redemptions Alive in Color package, underneath the bluray is a crowd shot, and I am right where the cd holder bulge is....It's actually quite funny. And I also, noticed my arm at points, doesn't help that I'm short. :lol
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I am not sure how anyone could say anything bad about James singing. He nailed it!.
Well, as regards the performance that was released, you're right. Technology is powerful.
I thoroughly enjoyed watching the blu-ray. Definitely the best looking and sounding release since the original Budokan.
I felt he nailed when I was in London at the show. It sounded the same to me.
Yes, I remember you saying at the time. My own recollection from being there both nights was that he put in a typical performance: all over the place.
I was, however, incredibly impressed at the sheer physicality of his performance. Really quite something. Got to witness it from virtually under his nose on the second night from the second row. Actually was lucky enough to be in the second row on both nights. Fun to watch myself moving around as the footage switches from night to night :biggrin:
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Is there a lot of switching because I was at the first night and didn’t notice them doing much filming. I just assumed this Blu-ray is from the second night.
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I am not sure how anyone could say anything bad about James singing. He nailed it!.
Well, as regards the performance that was released, you're right. Technology is powerful.
I thoroughly enjoyed watching the blu-ray. Definitely the best looking and sounding release since the original Budokan.
I felt he nailed when I was in London at the show. It sounded the same to me.
Yes, I remember you saying at the time. My own recollection from being there both nights was that he put in a typical performance: all over the place.
I was, however, incredibly impressed at the sheer physicality of his performance. Really quite something. Got to witness it from virtually under his nose on the second night from the second row. Actually was lucky enough to be in the second row on both nights. Fun to watch myself moving around as the footage switches from night to night :biggrin:
Yeah; Peter asked this too, but I'd like to know if there is a lot of switching. Or can you send a PM with how I can tell it's you so I can go through each song and tell which is from which night (or if they comped any songs)? I'm sort of a fanboy with that stuff. I will usually annotate live songs on my iPod with where they came from. Drives me NUTS when a band says "recorded somewhere on one of our many world tours". Really? It'll kill you to look on the tape box? I mean, I know why they do that (hides the overdubs) but still.
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It drives me nuts, too! I've no idea which night the audio is from. Maybe a mix of the two but I can't tell, unlike most of the video.
So: if the guy with the white hair staring at his phone the entire time in the centre of the front row is visible, it's from the first night. If he's not there, it's the second night. If the camera on stage left (right as we see it) is moving up and down, it's the first night (it wasn't there on night two). If the track camera in front of the stage appears or is being used, it's the second night since it wasn't there the first night.
I thought they'd take most of the crowd footage from the first night but they didn't. Most of it, when you know what to look for, comes from the second night.
Try this clip: https://photos.app.goo.gl/EG7b4AmxrM8BUpoXA
1 to 7 seconds: night one (most from the up and down camera, mostly. Zoomed in shot, not sure)
7 to 10.5 seconds (approx ;)): night two
10.5 to 12: probably night one
12 to end: not enough evidence
And since y'asked... watch out for the chap who cheekily nods at the camera ;D
Funnily enough, I appear in The Spirit Carries On on both nights. I'm over in front of JP the first night.
Oh, and also: if James' hair looks like a bird's nest at the back, it's the second night. Strange but actually true!
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Cool! Thank you! That must be awesome for you to be able to experience it like that!
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*Finally* got my box set of this album yesterday. Didn't have time to go through it yesterday but it's a big (thick) box :eek I got the whole shebang, vinyl/CD/DVD/Partridge/Pear Tree
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Not loving this like everyone else seems to be. The sitting crowd is such a huge turn off for me. I keep turning it off and coming back thinking I'll enjoy it more with a fresh mind and I end up just turning it off again. Not only that, the band looks uninterested. MM is the only one smiling throughout the video. JLB looks like he's staring into nothing, Rudess looks super tired, Myung is unnoticeable, and JP seems mostly fine (not anything to complain or to praise about). I've got to think the dead crowd and the bands uninterested looks are related. This is really hard to enjoy for me sadly.
The positive is the sound is actually much better than I expected from the official youtube videos, it sounds more live that I thought it would based on that and I do enjoy the 5.1 mix. Video quality is solid too. But I just can't get around the dead room. Would have enjoyed it more if this was performed in a garage honestly. Or if they never showed the venue.
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Not loving this like everyone else seems to be. The sitting crowd is such a huge turn off for me. I keep turning it off and coming back thinking I'll enjoy it more with a fresh mind and I end up just turning it off again. Not only that, the band looks uninterested. MM is the only one smiling throughout the video. JLB looks like he's staring into nothing, Rudess looks super tired, Myung is unnoticeable, and JP seems mostly fine (not anything to complain or to praise about). I've got to think the dead crowd and the bands uninterested looks are related. This is really hard to enjoy for me sadly.
The positive is the sound is actually much better than I expected from the official youtube videos, it sounds more live that I thought it would based on that and I do enjoy the 5.1 mix. Video quality is solid too. But I just can't get around the dead room. Would have enjoyed it more if this was performed in a garage honestly. Or if they never showed the venue.
If the band likes the look and feel of seated venues, and wants to record the dvd's/live albums in a seated venue, and unless they gain more younger fans, then the crowd will always be majority older people and a less energetic crowd...But that is just one aspect as to why there was a seated crowd, and a feel of less energy.
The geographical location plays a lot into it, as some people are just more into the music energetically then others are, examples are The Japanese crowd versus a South American crowd.
And truth of the matter is...JR probably was tired, all the guys were probably tired, as it's close to end of the tour and it's almost over. So you get that, end burnout where it's not done yet but you know you need to keep going on and not let that burnout get to you.
Also, what if the bands were to enforce a no cell phone policy so people in the audience will focus on the show, rather than being distracted by the time, a message, or wanting to take a picture and post on Social Media. And we wouldn't get that man in the front looking at his phone...
Oh wait, they did and people complained.
From that one interview where they talked about Distant Memories, it seemed that they felt upset at the audience, and likely noticed the lack of energy and their reactions in response to that energy and thought "This dvd just doesn't feel energetic", What else could they do, but relase it and hope for the best. It is what it is, and they can't change that.
But it is a great portrayal of how the show was presented and getting the songs that got an official live release are pretty good. And since some people don't like to count Chaos in Motion as a live release, or forget it exists, forget about ITPOE.pt.1 also having a live release. I did have to buy a used limited edition to get the cd songs.
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Look, man, these guys are all in their mid to late 50's or early 60's and most of their fans are over 40 by the look of the crowd at the last 3 Dream Theater shows I went to and all I really have to say is THANK THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER that everyone in front of me sat down for the entire show, so that I could also sit down for the entire show and actually see the band members performing.
I get it that young people want to stand at shows, but talk to me when you're half a century old and let's see if you still feel the same way. I don't go to concerts for exercise, I got to enjoy watching my favorite bands perform and for me, being able to sit and relax for the entire show = perfect concert. Obviously YMMV
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That's what the balcony is for IMO. Of course it's very obvious this is what DT goes for and caters to their older crowd but I'm allowed to not enjoy that approach (I get back row seats for DT shows for this reason now). But the look on their faces kind of makes me feel like they wish that wasn't the case. Once again, my opinion and if people would rather sit, that's their prerogative.
I don't think I'll be coming back to this release much other than for the songs that aren't on other live albums. I think i'd rank this only above CiM which is just terrible quality, but if that release had even half the quality of this I'd rate it much higher.
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I am 57 now, and want to stand! I am hyped by the music and can't groove the same sitting in a seat. There are a lot of old farts too at Iron Maiden shows, Metallica and others - no one sits. Even the 2nd leg of The Astonishing had GA and I had to wait and stand for a couple of hours before the show so I could be close... Oh and Judas Priest, if the elderly Rob Halford :police: can stand, so could the rest of us!
I understand people like sitting. And some have health issues. But it is a Rock Concert, not the NutCracker :metal
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That's what the balcony is for IMO. Of course it's very obvious this is what DT goes for and caters to their older crowd but I'm allowed to not enjoy that approach (I get back row seats for DT shows for this reason now). But the look on their faces kind of makes me feel like they wish that wasn't the case. Once again, my opinion and if people would rather sit, that's their prerogative.
I don't think I'll be coming back to this release much other than for the songs that aren't on other live albums. I think i'd rank this only above CiM which is just terrible quality, but if that release had even half the quality of this I'd rate it much higher.
Of course you're allowed to not enjoy the video, all I'm saying is when you have a band whose fanbase is as old as Dream Theater's I think expecting to encounter some crazy mosh pit scene at one of their shows is just extremely unrealistic.
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I am 57 now, and want to stand! I am hyped by the music and can't groove the same sitting in a seat. There are a lot of old farts too at Iron Maiden shows, Metallica and others - no one sits. Even
I've been to 6 Iron Maiden concerts in the last 10 years and I can assure you that PLENTY of people sat. Everyone in my entire section at the last two shows was sitting. The only people standing were the people with the floor seats, everyone else was sitting.
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I am 57 now, and want to stand! I am hyped by the music and can't groove the same sitting in a seat. There are a lot of old farts too at Iron Maiden shows, Metallica and others - no one sits. Even
I've been to 6 Iron Maiden concerts in the last 10 years and I can assure you that PLENTY of people sat. Everyone in my entire section at the last two shows was sitting. The only people standing were the people with the floor seats, everyone else was sitting.
Sorry, meant people on the floor. I wouldn't expect seats.
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That's what the balcony is for IMO. Of course it's very obvious this is what DT goes for and caters to their older crowd but I'm allowed to not enjoy that approach (I get back row seats for DT shows for this reason now). But the look on their faces kind of makes me feel like they wish that wasn't the case. Once again, my opinion and if people would rather sit, that's their prerogative.
I don't think I'll be coming back to this release much other than for the songs that aren't on other live albums. I think i'd rank this only above CiM which is just terrible quality, but if that release had even half the quality of this I'd rate it much higher.
Of course you're allowed to not enjoy the video, all I'm saying is when you have a band whose fanbase is as old as Dream Theater's I think expecting to encounter some crazy mosh pit scene at one of their shows is just extremely unrealistic.
Well that's an exaggeration. Certainly don't expect a mosh pit, I've never seen one at a DT show. I kind of do expect the fans, specifically the people up front, to visibly be showing they are enjoying the show by standing and supporting the band who looks very disinterested. It's a play off each other as concerts should be IMO. This is more like theater than rock n roll to me and it's a huge turn off to the live show visually.
Also, from the two shows I saw, people mostly sat until about halfway through scenes and then everyone stood and were enjoying it which lifted the energy of the shows to a new level. I haven't made it to the end to see if that ends up being the case, I hope so.
Also agreed about IM and other of those old school metal bands. The floor is usually standing and the seats are a mix, mostly sitting especially the further back you go. But I expect that, you get a seat in the back and its more normal to sit, but up front? It feels so wrong to me. I did sit in the front row for a DT concert during TA tour but security specifically made us sit otherwise I would have been standing. I also saw first hand the disinterest of the band. It's upsetting honestly to see this with one of my favorite bands.
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Certainly don't expect a mosh pit, I've never seen one at a DT show.
I haven't seen them happen in a long time, but especially many moons ago when they were still playing the clubs (in the 90s) it would happen for certain songs, although nothing hardcore like what you would see at a thrash metal concert. Doubt it would happen at a show in North America these days given the venues they play (seated theaters) but maybe it would happen for some songs at some of the European and South American gigs if at an arena that doesn't have seats on the floor.
I did sit in the front row for a DT concert during TA tour but security specifically made us sit otherwise I would have been standing. I also saw first hand the disinterest of the band. It's upsetting honestly to see this with one of my favorite bands.
There is a lot of truth to that. I remember talking with MP while he was still in the band, and telling him how much I loved going to shows at the Oakdale Theater in Wallingford, CT because they had PA along the stage (great for when you were in the center section within the first few rows) and super comfy seats. But MP specifically said he didn't like playing there because of the seats - everyone sits at all the shows there, sucking all the energy out of the room which the band would feed off of. So there's a lot of truth to what you're saying cram.
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I am 57 now, and want to stand! I am hyped by the music and can't groove the same sitting in a seat. There are a lot of old farts too at Iron Maiden shows, Metallica and others - no one sits. Even
I've been to 6 Iron Maiden concerts in the last 10 years and I can assure you that PLENTY of people sat. Everyone in my entire section at the last two shows was sitting. The only people standing were the people with the floor seats, everyone else was sitting.
Sorry, meant people on the floor. I wouldn't expect seats.
Oddly enough, Mrs. NoseHair dragged me to a Jimmy Buffet concert at the same venue and I had to stand up for the entire show if I wanted to see anything, which, frankly, didn't really matter to me because I spent 90% of the show watching repeats of The Office on my phone :rollin
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Dang dude, Jimmy Buffett puts on a good show. Much better than any Office episode ever made. You must have been a lame date for her that night.. 💤🤦♀️
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I'm in the minority, but I love sitting at shows. I like to just sit back and take everything in.
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Dang dude, Jimmy Buffett puts on a good show. Much better than any Office episode ever made. You must have been a lame date for her that night.. 💤🤦♀️
And an expensive one. Jimmy Buffet tickets aren't cheap.
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Certainly don't expect a mosh pit, I've never seen one at a DT show.
Thats our cue Bosk ;)
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I'm in the minority, but I love sitting at shows. I like to just sit back and take everything in.
I feel like this now. And I get to see, too.
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I much prefer the more "traditional" setup of standing area in front, and seats in back and/or on the sides. But another hidden "benefit" of seating for the band is probably the extra money seated venue tickets generate. Although they do not see direct revenue from tickets, seated venues tend to charge more for tickets, and can charge even higher premium prices for tickets in the front, which translates to higher guarantees for the band. And if some of those premium seats are sold as part of VIP packages, the band might have it structured in such a way that they do possibly see direct revenue from those sales.
Speaking of which, I wonder why more bands that tend to play standing venues haven't experimented with VIP areas down in front. I mean, I know Metallica basically did that with their snake pit stage setup. But I think there are probably far less elaborate ways bands could do that. For instance, they could have the venue just cordon off a barricade area center stage in front for VIPs. I guess it might get too difficult to police people stealthily climbing the barricades. But I'm sure some great minds out there could put their heads together and come up with something not to complicated that could work.
Anyhow, back to Distant Memories: I have the first set playing again right now as I am working at home, and still stand by my initial assessment of feeling that it is a really good release. Again, of course the SFAM set, which is a huge chunk of the product, is going to suffer in comparison to LSFNY. But still, it's a great performance, a really nice total set list, and great overall package. Yeah, the audience reaction (or lack thereof) keeps it from having the energy of a typical live release. But that doesn't mean it still isn't enjoyable. It's a blast seeing and hearing the band perform these songs at such a high level on such a beautiful stage. And after a couple of watches, I guess I quickly adapted to the lack of crowd noise. I guess watching NFL games with no crowds and either fake or no crowd noise has helped condition me to not feel like I "need" it as much.
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I much prefer the more "traditional" setup of standing area in front, and seats in back and/or on the sides. But another hidden "benefit" of seating for the band is probably the extra money seated venue tickets generate. Although they do not see direct revenue from tickets, seated venues tend to charge more for tickets, and can charge even higher premium prices for tickets in the front, which translates to higher guarantees for the band. And if some of those premium seats are sold as part of VIP packages, the band might have it structured in such a way that they do possibly see direct revenue from those sales.
Speaking of which, I wonder why more bands that tend to play standing venues haven't experimented with VIP areas down in front. I mean, I know Metallica basically did that with their snake pit stage setup. But I think there are probably far less elaborate ways bands could do that. For instance, they could have the venue just cordon off a barricade area center stage in front for VIPs. I guess it might get too difficult to police people stealthily climbing the barricades. But I'm sure some great minds out there could put their heads together and come up with something not to complicated that could work.
Yea, the seats will get a nice pay check due to what you are saying. Iron Maiden tried out the VIP GA thing for awhile and then stopped, not sure why though. I liked it because I could guarantee myself a closer experience with a little more cash, which I didn't mind doing for my favorite band. I wonder if it's a venue related thing though, like that requires extra barriers and security to enforce it. I also wonder if for most smaller GA pits, it just doesnt make sense and would mean less tickets sold and less of an active crowd having a barrier on the floor. Might also rub people the wrong way of a band trying to milk the fans. Just some random thoughts on that idea.
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Yeah, I think all of that is valid. It's always hard to say how fans will react to something like that. I would think it would be a net positive. But you never know--it could backfire if it rubs fans the wrong way.
Going back to some of the previous posts, watching the band through a couple of songs in the first set, like ANTR and Fall Into the Light, I don't see a lack of energy. I mean, they're no Maiden. But they never really have been that either, at least not for a VERY long time. Again, maybe I'm just used to how they are onstage. But although more "energy" might be nice, I don't feel there is anything really "lacking."
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I sense it in their facial expressions, JLB and JR the most. MM always looks like he's having a blast and a big reason why I've always enjoyed watching him. Maybe it's just me and my personal preferences and the way I'm perceiving things.
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I much prefer the more "traditional" setup of standing area in front, and seats in back and/or on the sides. But another hidden "benefit" of seating for the band is probably the extra money seated venue tickets generate. Although they do not see direct revenue from tickets, seated venues tend to charge more for tickets, and can charge even higher premium prices for tickets in the front, which translates to higher guarantees for the band. And if some of those premium seats are sold as part of VIP packages, the band might have it structured in such a way that they do possibly see direct revenue from those sales.
Speaking of which, I wonder why more bands that tend to play standing venues haven't experimented with VIP areas down in front. I mean, I know Metallica basically did that with their snake pit stage setup. But I think there are probably far less elaborate ways bands could do that. For instance, they could have the venue just cordon off a barricade area center stage in front for VIPs. I guess it might get too difficult to police people stealthily climbing the barricades. But I'm sure some great minds out there could put their heads together and come up with something not to complicated that could work.
Yea, the seats will get a nice pay check due to what you are saying. Iron Maiden tried out the VIP GA thing for awhile and then stopped, not sure why though. I liked it because I could guarantee myself a closer experience with a little more cash, which I didn't mind doing for my favorite band. I wonder if it's a venue related thing though, like that requires extra barriers and security to enforce it. I also wonder if for most smaller GA pits, it just doesnt make sense and would mean less tickets sold and less of an active crowd having a barrier on the floor. Might also rub people the wrong way of a band trying to milk the fans. Just some random thoughts on that idea.
I generally get pit tickets when I go see Keith Urban (my wife's favorite) and it's fun. We're usually in the front row or two, we've (not me, I defer to the girls) gotten photos and autographs from him (my Xmas present to my wife one year was a photo with him and her blown up and framed; for one show, he held my daughter's hand while he signed a bunch of other tickets for people). here's the thing, though: they're steeper at the box office (+/- $125 or so) and they generally hover around $400 on Stubhub before the show. You can usually get one for $150 out front if the opening act is on (meaning, you're not getting at the barrier). But the back half of the pit is sometimes wasted space. At Mohegan, the local casino where he's played his last three or four shows (find his interview with Dan Rather; they shot it on the floor at Mohegan Sun the afternoon of the last show), there's anywhere from 25 to 50 feet of space before the floor seats start. I don't know that Maiden is all that interested in that sort of set up. I was second row after the pit for Maiden at the amphitheater in Hartford, and I was still pretty close (closer than the guy that shot that video linked here somewhere).
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Dang dude, Jimmy Buffett puts on a good show. Much better than any Office episode ever made. You must have been a lame date for her that night.. 💤🤦♀️
And an expensive one. Jimmy Buffet tickets aren't cheap.
$25 each. They were lawn "seats" at an outdoor venue. Far enough away from the stage that you need binoculars to see anything in detail. It was a tough show for me because I had just recently quit drinking too and Buffet concerts are all about getting sloshed.
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I sense it in their facial expressions, JLB and JR the most. MM always looks like he's having a blast and a big reason why I've always enjoyed watching him. Maybe it's just me and my personal preferences and the way I'm perceiving things.
Are you finding yourself becoming bored with a Dream Theater show? :lol
It's funny because I have felt this exact thing at other shows. I used to like Korn, and Slipknot, but I personally got bored with them. I will still see them if they are touring with a band I really want to see, like Babymetal, but I won't go out of my way to buy a front row seat or pit ticket anymore.
I much prefer the more "traditional" setup of standing area in front, and seats in back and/or on the sides. But another hidden "benefit" of seating for the band is probably the extra money seated venue tickets generate. Although they do not see direct revenue from tickets, seated venues tend to charge more for tickets, and can charge even higher premium prices for tickets in the front, which translates to higher guarantees for the band. And if some of those premium seats are sold as part of VIP packages, the band might have it structured in such a way that they do possibly see direct revenue from those sales.
Speaking of which, I wonder why more bands that tend to play standing venues haven't experimented with VIP areas down in front. I mean, I know Metallica basically did that with their snake pit stage setup. But I think there are probably far less elaborate ways bands could do that. For instance, they could have the venue just cordon off a barricade area center stage in front for VIPs. I guess it might get too difficult to police people stealthily climbing the barricades. But I'm sure some great minds out there could put their heads together and come up with something not to complicated that could work.
Yea, the seats will get a nice pay check due to what you are saying. Iron Maiden tried out the VIP GA thing for awhile and then stopped, not sure why though. I liked it because I could guarantee myself a closer experience with a little more cash, which I didn't mind doing for my favorite band. I wonder if it's a venue related thing though, like that requires extra barriers and security to enforce it. I also wonder if for most smaller GA pits, it just doesnt make sense and would mean less tickets sold and less of an active crowd having a barrier on the floor. Might also rub people the wrong way of a band trying to milk the fans. Just some random thoughts on that idea.
I generally get pit tickets when I go see Keith Urban (my wife's favorite) and it's fun. We're usually in the front row or two, we've (not me, I defer to the girls) gotten photos and autographs from him (my Xmas present to my wife one year was a photo with him and her blown up and framed; for one show, he held my daughter's hand while he signed a bunch of other tickets for people). here's the thing, though: they're steeper at the box office (+/- $125 or so) and they generally hover around $400 on Stubhub before the show. You can usually get one for $150 out front if the opening act is on (meaning, you're not getting at the barrier). But the back half of the pit is sometimes wasted space. At Mohegan, the local casino where he's played his last three or four shows (find his interview with Dan Rather; they shot it on the floor at Mohegan Sun the afternoon of the last show), there's anywhere from 25 to 50 feet of space before the floor seats start. I don't know that Maiden is all that interested in that sort of set up. I was second row after the pit for Maiden at the amphitheater in Hartford, and I was still pretty close (closer than the guy that shot that video linked here somewhere).
This is how the pit was at the Nightwish show I went to, and this wasn't VIP. I was behind the mixer, which had two rows behind it closed off. So I was two rows behind the mixer. While the pit, was halfway full. I asked if it could be possible, If I can get down there, and they said, No.
I have gone to shows where the expectation didn't meet the actual sales. And they offered, seats in the lower bowl, at the venue itself on the day of the show and inside had a tent to go to, to pay about $30 for the upgrade, and that included if you bought Lawn. Our biggest venue did that with Mary J. Blige, and Heart. I got some great seats that way.
But being in the pit has helped me get some cool stuff...like a drumstick thrown out by Mario Duplantier of Gojira. Shown at the end of this video (https://youtu.be/UNtSq4Iz2ls)....And at this venue, the only way to get into the pit was to get VIP tickets. Until the cut-off time for the VIP packages, then that venue, if the tickets haven't been all sold, will sell those pit tickets, and they go quick. I didn't buy the ticket, my cousin got the VIP package for me and him, so we got to go into the Slipknot Museum Trailer, that was actually pretty cool and neat to see all their old stuff, and it was a lot of stuff.
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I sense it in their facial expressions, JLB and JR the most. MM always looks like he's having a blast and a big reason why I've always enjoyed watching him. Maybe it's just me and my personal preferences and the way I'm perceiving things.
Are you finding yourself becoming bored with a Dream Theater show? :lol
It's funny because I have felt this exact thing at other shows. I used to like Korn, and Slipknot, but I personally got bored with them. I will still see them if they are touring with a band I really want to see, like Babymetal, but I won't go out of my way to buy a front row seat or pit ticket anymore.
I'm not bored with DT or their music, but I guess I could be becoming bored with their live presentation. However, I think I figured out from the last tour that I get the most out of their shows by being in the back and standing and enjoying it the way I like to vs. being up front and annoyed with the people around me. The last DT show I went to from this tour in NYC was actually one of my favorite shows of theirs because my friend and I just stood in the empty space behind the last row. Got a few other people to join us and rock out in the back where we weren't bothering all the people sitting idly. If I were forced to sit like at TA show, I probably would start cutting back on going or maybe not even go to their shows at all anymore.
Ive also been pretty vocal for awhile on this board wishing they'd go back to being more of a traditional metal band. Bring a good opener and play venues with a GA pit and seats in the back/sides. I really feel like that would bring in new fans and help get DT away from catering to their aging fanbase by bringing in younger people.
Dang dude, Jimmy Buffett puts on a good show. Much better than any Office episode ever made. You must have been a lame date for her that night.. 💤🤦♀️
And an expensive one. Jimmy Buffet tickets aren't cheap.
$25 each. They were lawn "seats" at an outdoor venue. Far enough away from the stage that you need binoculars to see anything in detail. It was a tough show for me because I had just recently quit drinking too and Buffet concerts are all about getting sloshed.
Oh that's not bad. His last time coming through here, the lawn tickets were $75 before fees, and the whole place was sold out so second hand were over $100. I'm not a huge buffet fan but I totally would have gone to check it out if it was in my price range for such a band. But your last bit about the booze actually makes a lot more sense in terms of being disinterested, that must have been difficult.
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Just thought of the Budokan release (the 2004 one). I have not seen it in a long time, but I honestly cannot recall there being a significant number audience shots. I feel the camera work was 99% focused on the band. Maybe this is what Distant Memories needed? You cannot complain about a seated, uninspired audience if you cannot see them.
Again, of course the SFAM set, which is a huge chunk of the product, is going to suffer in comparison to LSFNY.
How does it "suffer in comparison?" I ask not owning the release. Is this a general consensus?
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I'm kind of split about it :
Sitting at a DT show at nearly 40 years old =
PROS :
-You focus on the music and performance (as a musician it's very important to me)
-Overall, knowing the show is 3 hours, I prefer to sit down rather than agonize (which happened to me and my wife after the 2 hours mark lol)
CONS :
-You're not in the heat, move, sometimes violence of the thing (thanks to covid it's not happening again anytime soon anyway)
-Big con is that you're often on the side of the venue, leading to a less immersive experience (and not the full sound experience as designed), but if you're a JP or JR fanboy, you can focus like a stalker ! :D
Etc
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It's probably been discussed already somewhere in these 30 thread pages, but I think the DVD/BluRay's main menu concept (getting to hear the crew's walkie talkie audio in real time over the footage of the venue as the show is gearing up to start/come back from intermission) is so frickin cool!
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I finally got to order this in Mexico.
I'm really happy with this show in every aspect. It's very releasing to just sit back and enjoy something without having the need to nitpick every single thing.
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Regarding sitting vs standings at concerts, at my age (47), I prefer to have seats, but always like the option to stand so I can pick my spots as to when I can stand and rock out. Of course, I am never that guy who will stand when everyone else in the section is sitting. Being able to conserve my energy for the handful of standing moments is nice, and if it ends up being a show where people stand for most of it, I can usually take it and if I have to sit for a few songs when many around me are standing, that is okay, too, especially if I know the set list going in and can sort of plan as to what songs I don't mind sitting down for.
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Regarding sitting vs standings at concerts, at my age (47), I prefer to have seats, but always like the option to stand so I can pick my spots as to when I can stand and rock out. Of course, I am never that guy who will stand when everyone else in the section is sitting. Being able to conserve my energy for the handful of standing moments is nice, and if it ends up being a show where people stand for most of it, I can usually take it and if I have to sit for a few songs when many around me are standing, that is okay, too, especially if I know the set list going in and can sort of plan as to what songs I don't mind sitting down for.
That's me, especially the bolded. I was front row for Squeeze, right in front of Chris Difford, and he was actually exhorting me to stand up, but I wasn't going to be the ONE GUY standing, especially in the front row. I actually felt bad.
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heh, the only show I ever sat in the front row for was The Flower Kings at the Regent Theater in Arlington, MA. That had to be around 12 years ago now. I think they were touring The Sum of No Evil album. I was close enough to Hasse that he dripped sweat on me a number of times :lol
I've seen them 10 times, the only band I've seen more is Iron Maiden. The Flower Kings concerts are always seated shows. At least the ones I went to were. There might have been a few people in the back who were standing, but the bulk of those audiences sat quietly and watched. We almost always gave them a standing ovation between songs, but then everyone sits down again. Perfect concerts, for me anyway.
Going all the way back to 2002 for my first Dream Theater show ever -Orpheum Theater Boston- up in the balcony where I sat in the front row everyone behind me was seated so I stayed seated. Everyone down on the floor level was standing. They were touring the SDOIT album, band firing on all cylinders. That, at least for me, was the best Dream Theater concert I've ever seen. The volume and the mix were perfect. These days they play far, far too loud for me. I doubt I'll ever go see them live again, I had to leave early the last 3 times I saw them because the volume was killing me, even with ear plugs.
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I finally got to order this in Mexico.
I'm really happy with this show in every aspect. It's very releasing to just sit back and enjoy something without having the need to nitpick every single thing.
Great! Where do you order this from? I'm also looking to get this in Mexico. :metal
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I finally got to order this in Mexico.
I'm really happy with this show in every aspect. It's very releasing to just sit back and enjoy something without having the need to nitpick every single thing.
Great! Where do you order this from? I'm also looking to get this in Mexico. :metal
Amazon México :metal
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I completed a full listen to the new live album on CD first. The mix is sooo good, not sure what parts are fixed up but honestly won't bother me much.
Also great to hear At Wit's End, the solo tag at the end is what JP really excels at.
I also watched the 1st half of the concert and the video and audio mix is fantastic. I love everything about it, this is IMO the Budokan of the Mangini era. Flawless pretty much start to finish.
I do have a question for those who play guitar or are familiar with JP's setup. When you hear him play the intro riffs or standalone riffs in tracks eg the beginning of Falling Into The Light, you hear his guitar riff to the right and then when the band kicks in it pans to the left, is that a pedal setting or just how the mix is done? Because in the past and even here you can see when he's doing the solos the guitar stream changes to a more central 'lane' or channel if you will. Is that just a mix thing or an output through some pedal control?
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I think that's specific to that song and it would be something done by the sound guy in real time most likely
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I completed a full listen to the new live album on CD first. The mix is sooo good, not sure what parts are fixed up but honestly won't bother me much.
Also great to hear At Wit's End, the solo tag at the end is what JP really excels at.
I also watched the 1st half of the concert and the video and audio mix is fantastic. I love everything about it, this is IMO the Budokan of the Mangini era. Flawless pretty much start to finish.
I do have a question for those who play guitar or are familiar with JP's setup. When you hear him play the intro riffs or standalone riffs in tracks eg the beginning of Falling Into The Light, you hear his guitar riff to the right and then when the band kicks in it pans to the left, is that a pedal setting or just how the mix is done? Because in the past and even here you can see when he's doing the solos the guitar stream changes to a more central 'lane' or channel if you will. Is that just a mix thing or an output through some pedal control?
I'm 99.9% that's the mix. I don't know of any musician that controls the level of their L/R output while performing.
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I too think it's related to the mix, only reason I ask is because of how different the tone and location of the guitar is when it's time for a solo. So I figured it might be a similar thing on certain sections when playing rhythms/riffs.
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I finally got to order this in Mexico.
I'm really happy with this show in every aspect. It's very releasing to just sit back and enjoy something without having the need to nitpick every single thing.
Great! Where do you order this from? I'm also looking to get this in Mexico. :metal
Amazon México :metal
Thanks for the info!
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At Wit's End is really amazing on this one. Such a good song and I think they really nailed it live there! However why didn't they extend that outro for another 13 minutes or so?!
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I just listened again. Didn't watch, just listened. Scenes is just fantastic! I listen to a lot of live DT when biking, running etc.. This really sounds great and James sounds better than the other live versions of Scenes to me. The crowd may be sitting :-\, but they are very interactive and the sing along parts are fantastic. Finally Free gave me goosebumps. I definately would never want them to do Scenes again, but it never, ever disappoints. It is perfect and perfect for James voice.
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Love James' scream at the end of "by the grace of God above everyone survived" :yarr :2metal: :hefdaddy
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I finally got around to having a bit of a listen to this. Only listened to the first set but I love James and always have, but jeez, he's getting harder and harder to listen to.
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Scenes is better. He sounds really good in Scenes.
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Scenes is better. He sounds really good in Scenes.
Okay, I'll reserve judgement.
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Scenes is better. He sounds really good in Scenes.
Okay, I'll reserve judgement.
I think she means Live Scenes From New York. ;D
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No. I mean Live in London. I like it better ;D
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No. I mean Live in London. I like it better ;D
Based on the first set, this opinion is mindblowing to me.
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Inspired by this thread, I re-visited this album yesterday, and am still blown away by how good the band sounds.
There are a handful of definitive James moments for me here—Nightmare to Remember, and most of the D/T stuff.
While I'm not sure I like this version of Scenes better than Live Scenes, it's very much on par for me in terms of performance. My biggest issue is that I just like the mix so much on Live Scenes.
That being said, unlike the previous 2 releases, I have listened to this album a ton, and given his age, this is James at or near the top of his game for most of the set. Very impressed.
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My issue with James live and with Dream Theater, is how he changes the vocals and it doesn't great. Beyond This Life, "Our Deeds Have Travelled Farrr.....arrr" is the best example of this.
It's the way he does those fluctuations with his voice to compensate for the melodies he can't do anymore. Or wanted to try something different but this one didn't work at all.
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My issue with James live and with Dream Theater, is how he changes the vocals and it doesn't great. Beyond This Life, "Our Deeds Have Travelled Farrr.....arrr" is the best example of this.
It's the way he does those fluctuations with his voice to compensate for the melodies he can't do anymore. Or wanted to try something different but this one didn't work at all.
Sometimes you are right about his change of melody. But this specific part he could actually do and did in the third chorus. In this case I find it interesting and fitting. Live is fun because of the little differences that are played or sung. Why listen otherwise? This little part is fun and then makes it more enjoyable when he sings the orignal way later. And what about the great scream on ...love a wayward .... maaan!! So good.
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I finally got around to having a bit of a listen to this. Only listened to the first set but I love James and always have, but jeez, he's getting harder and harder to listen to.
I've said this as well and there's two things that stand out to me:
1) He always seems out of breath, taking many mid-sentence and mid-word pauses.
2) The way he goes "wwwwww" before a lot of words.
I think #2 has been around for quite a while now but #1 I feel has only been happening recently.
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Found this footage of the ending to At Wit's End from Tuscon, AZ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJPKSXmfTaU
JLB was on fire this night, and I liked the ending solo to this one. I think it was way better than the Live In London Solo. Glad I found a video of it.
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Question for everyone:
Live at Luna Park is available to buy/watch from Itunes, but from what I can tell, Distant Memories is only available physically.
If I purchase the CD/Blu-Ray do I get a download code for the video?
(I like to watch video on my phone when I'm slogging away on the treadmill:)
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Question for everyone:
Live at Luna Park is available to buy/watch from Itunes, but from what I can tell, Distant Memories is only available physically.
If I purchase the CD/Blu-Ray do I get a download code for the video?
(I like to watch video on my phone when I'm slogging away on the treadmill:)
not as far as I know you don't.
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Question for everyone:
Live at Luna Park is available to buy/watch from Itunes, but from what I can tell, Distant Memories is only available physically.
If I purchase the CD/Blu-Ray do I get a download code for the video?
(I like to watch video on my phone when I'm slogging away on the treadmill:)
not as far as I know you don't.
Thanks for the quick response...kind of a bummer, but I will keep my eyes open for a future streaming release.
I'm all about physical product, but these days, my time 'at the gym' is pretty much the only time I have to really enjoy stuff like this.
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Question for everyone:
Live at Luna Park is available to buy/watch from Itunes, but from what I can tell, Distant Memories is only available physically.
If I purchase the CD/Blu-Ray do I get a download code for the video?
(I like to watch video on my phone when I'm slogging away on the treadmill:)
not as far as I know you don't.
Thanks for the quick response...kind of a bummer, but I will keep my eyes open for a future streaming release.
I'm all about physical product, but these days, my time 'at the gym' is pretty much the only time I have to really enjoy stuff like this.
Not that I know of either. But, you can just make a playlist on YouTube.
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I finally got around to having a bit of a listen to this. Only listened to the first set but I love James and always have, but jeez, he's getting harder and harder to listen to.
I've said this as well and there's two things that stand out to me:
1) He always seems out of breath, taking many mid-sentence and mid-word pauses.
2) The way he goes "wwwwww" before a lot of words.
I think #2 has been around for quite a while now but #1 I feel has only been happening recently.
I think he started doing #2 back on Score, perhaps even earlier on L@B. It's kind of a lazy way of singing in order to lead up to certain notes that may be difficult to nail outright, but I don't recall him doing it very often. Just on certain songs. I don't recall it happening on BTFW. Not 100% sure.
Overall, he's still pulling off most of everything he does with a few changes here and there. Most of the time his improvs work, but when they don't, it can be cringeworthy. These guys play those songs over and over, show after show. They can't play them the same exact way every single time. I notice improvisations in JP's playing too and sometimes they don't always work. That's the nature of the beast.
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OK. I know I'm super late to the party...but I just got this in the mail. Going to check the video out tonight (providing everything plays and my copy doesn't turn out defective). Now I just need to make sure I have enough beer...
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I haven't purchased a Dream Theater show since Score but got this one.
First release to feel like a concert *film*. I don't know what the specific technique is, but there's a way they do the camera work where the stage feels twice as big as in real life and the band members come off as rock stars. Budokan is still the gold standard, but this feels in the same league. Blu-Ray quality is very nice.
The performance is solid and has good energy. Band members all look like they enjoy being there. Something something LaBrie's singing something something Mangini vs. Portnoy. Yes you're right if I had one chance to show someone a Dream Theater concert video I wouldn't use this but as a fan I enjoy it. Mix is solid. Not as good as Score and earlier videos but better than Luna Park/Behind the Fourth Wall.
Solid product no complaints.
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My BRs don't work in my BR player. It says "invalid media". LaserCD isn't returning my calls. I don't have any other BR players to test on.
Are they secretly 4K discs?
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My BRs don't work in my BR player. It says "invalid media". LaserCD isn't returning my calls. I don't have any other BR players to test on.
Are they secretly 4K discs?
I have no issue with my BR discs
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Wait a minute, wait one goddamn minute.
The real issue here is.... where has ReaPsTA been?!
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He's been watching Live At Budokan.
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I haven't purchased a Dream Theater show since Score but got this one.
First release to feel like a concert *film*. I don't know what the specific technique is, but there's a way they do the camera work where the stage feels twice as big as in real life and the band members come off as rock stars. Budokan is still the gold standard, but this feels in the same league. Blu-Ray quality is very nice.
The performance is solid and has good energy. Band members all look like they enjoy being there. Something something LaBrie's singing something something Mangini vs. Portnoy. Yes you're right if I had one chance to show someone a Dream Theater concert video I wouldn't use this but as a fan I enjoy it. Mix is solid. Not as good as Score and earlier videos but better than Luna Park/Behind the Fourth Wall.
Solid product no complaints.
What did you think about the SFAM set of the show?
I thought it was good, and a nice way to celebrate it's anniversary and a way to play the album again to newer fans, or those unable to catch the original SFAM shows. I thought it was nice to hear it as it is on the album, and without the extras that are included on the Live Scenes DVD, like extended sections, and special guests (It was great to hear the hypnotherapist on time, and JP not speeding up the intro of Finally Free to the actor speaking too fast. :lol )
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I thought it was nice to hear it as it is on the album, and without the extras that are included on the Live Scenes DVD
....which is the whole reason why you listen to the album proper in the first place. ::) Live, especially when you're playing the whole album straight through, is the time to make changes. And no, I don't count that super brief drum break in FT or MM's drum soloing on FF enough to make a difference. They could've done something more, just as they did when they did all of IaW during the 2017 tour.
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Wait a minute, wait one goddamn minute.
The real issue here is.... where has ReaPsTA been?!
Seriously.
:uny:
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Wait a minute, wait one goddamn minute.
The real issue here is.... where has ReaPsTA been?!
Lurking sometimes, but mostly just around.
Hope you've been well.
What did you think about the SFAM set of the show?
I thought it was good, and a nice way to celebrate it's anniversary and a way to play the album again to newer fans, or those unable to catch the original SFAM shows. I thought it was nice to hear it as it is on the album, and without the extras that are included on the Live Scenes DVD, like extended sections, and special guests (It was great to hear the hypnotherapist on time, and JP not speeding up the intro of Finally Free to the actor speaking too fast. :lol )
Was unexpectedly good when I saw it live. The album has an energy to it that doesn't really come out on the record. Not a huge Beyond This Life fan generally, but it slaps live. Distant Memories captures this reasonably well.
On the other hand, Live Scenes is the culmination of Dream Theater coming back from near death to cement themselves as legends of the genre. I agree with Scotty that the little changes there were cool.
Seriously.
:uny:
because it's all about
US
NOT
YOU
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:heart
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Ok. Was just watching again. Jordan's solos in the middle of Home are :hefdaddy
Of course so is the rest!
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Somehow I've avoided this release this whole time! Gave it a good listen the last couple days. Found the non-Scenes material solid and enjoyable, the DoT songs play really well live. The Scenes performance was solid, though I do not know how much it is warranted with the 2000 release - which I have not listened to in ages. I didn't catch this tour so this was my first real experience with this show.
Something about the sound seemed off to me, and I cannot put my finger on what it was. I was listening through ear buds so that be part of it. And I haven't listened to their other live releases so cannot say how they compare. Am I imagining something?
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Something about the sound seemed off to me, and I cannot put my finger on what it was. I was listening through ear buds so that be part of it. And I haven't listened to their other live releases so cannot say how they compare. Am I imagining something?
Their last three live releases have way too much of a studio feel to me. Not sure if it's a click track thing, or there's too much studio work done on it. The crowds seem fake to me as well.
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I haven't listened to Luna Park or 4th Wall in a while, though I've watched those videos more than I've just listened to the audio, and I shouldn't compare listening with my ear buds to my home theater setup. I'll try and listen to them this week to compare.
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Coincidentally, my Fiio played the SFAM tracks I joined together (Intro - Fatal Tragedy) on shuffle earlier today, and I decided why not listen to the entire SFAM portion. I enjoy the way Mangini plays these songs, especially, Home. This is one version of Beyond This Life I actually enjoy too, and it was great to see it live twice.
The highlights for me are Through Her Eyes, Home, and Finally Free.