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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: MinistroRaven on September 20, 2020, 07:57:03 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj9J2ecsSpo
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Its crazy shit like that, that I can get behind :tup
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This looks very different, which will be good for Marvel, I think.
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What an odd show this looks to be. Can't wait.
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I'll watch that just because of the cast. What a group.
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I still have absolutely zero idea what this is about... but it's literally the only Marvel TV show I'm interested in. I hope it's good.
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This looks completely batshit.
I'm in. :tup
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I had heard something about this show a while back, and I couldn't figure out what to make of it.
Then I saw the trailer, and I still can't figure out what to make of it.
But Wanda is cute, so I might watch this.
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Was this supposed to be in theaters or was it always meant for streaming?
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Was this supposed to be in theaters or was it always meant for streaming?
It’s a show for Disney plus. Not a movie. So always meant for streaming.
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Is there any info out about length and number of episodes?
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Is there any info out about length and number of episodes?
Apparently there will be 9 episodes on season 1. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9140560/episodes
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How/when/where can this possibly take place? Or, is that the allure of the show? Not having any clue as to how they're going to pull this off and have it make sense?
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I've seen some chatter on the 'net, mostly speculation and just plain guessing of course, but one theory is that Wanda was crushed by the loss of Vision, and created a reality (possibly using the Reality Stone? Mind Stone?) wherein she and Vision live "happily ever after". The problem is she's also slowly going insane, so the reality isn't stable. And somehow this ties into Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, which we already know she's in.
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I've seen some chatter on the 'net, mostly speculation and just plain guessing of course, but one theory is that Wanda was crushed by the loss of Vision, and created a reality (possibly using the Reality Stone? Mind Stone?) wherein she and Vision live "happily ever after". The problem is she's also slowly going insane, so the reality isn't stable. And somehow this ties into Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, which we already know she's in.
This is what I seen/read as well. At first, I thought Doctor Strange would be release before this show to tie it all together nicely, but it looks like its the other way around.
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I've seen some chatter on the 'net, mostly speculation and just plain guessing of course, but one theory is that Wanda was crushed by the loss of Vision, and created a reality (possibly using the Reality Stone? Mind Stone?) wherein she and Vision live "happily ever after". The problem is she's also slowly going insane, so the reality isn't stable. And somehow this ties into Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, which we already know she's in.
This is what I seen/read as well. At first, I thought Doctor Strange would be release before this show to tie it all together nicely, but it looks like its the other way around.
That is what I have seen as well, but it is admittedly just educated speculation and, as far as I know, has not been strictly confirmed by any of the shows creators (but I could be mistaken about that). But it has to be something along those lines.
As far as how she it happens, I don't think the stones are involved. As far as Marvel cannon, the stones are gone. The ones from "our timeline" were destroyed, and the ones "borrowed" in Endgame are, presumably, back where they belong. So it has to be something else.
And as for Dr. Strange and the timeline, I am guessing that the Dr. Strange film deals with a situation caused by the fallout of what is going on with Wanda.
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That is a SUPER (sorry, Stadler!) cool idea for a show and if that's the gist then I am so down for it. Especially if they can tie that into future films, the Dr. Strange stuff and House of M... oh maaaaan
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I had heard something about this show a while back, and I couldn't figure out what to make of it.
Then I saw the trailer, and I still can't figure out what to make of it.
But Wanda is cute, so I might watch this.
EO has an amazing smile.
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2nd trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID9j6-XhOpY
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The first 2 episodes are out now!!
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Watched the first one. I feel like this is a show we're not going to really be able to judge an episode at a time. It's clearly going somewhere, but nothing interesting really happened in Ep. 1.
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Loved them.
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Watched the first one. I feel like this is a show we're not going to really be able to judge an episode at a time. It's clearly going somewhere, but nothing interesting really happened in Ep. 1.
Watch episode 2
I just watched two ep with my wife, we LOVE IT!!!!
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They are going to slow play this. Clearly we sort of know what is going on. I also have some theories around how Vision is there, since he died in the movies and all.
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Very creative of Marvel to go this route. A change-up is always good.
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We watched the first episode and didn't know what was going on, but it seemed fun. I couldn't tell if it was a 60's sitcom, or a parody of a 60's sitcom, or a parody of all 60's sitcoms at once, plus some weird shit.
Then we tried to watch the second episode and it was just too fucking weird. We binged right into it, since the first episode was only 30 minutes, and when we paused about 1/3 of the way through, Mrs. Orbert said it was just too weird. I suggested we switch to something else, and she was okay with that. I'll probably check out the rest of it tomorrow while she's working.
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I’m contemplating just waiting until all the episodes are available. Watched the first two and I’m sure they have a ‘plan’ here but for me there’s a fine line between a unique was to tell a story and an utter mess. Right now I’m debating which one it is.
Certainly there’s a method to what they’re doing but I think I’d rather have all the episodes available to be able to churn through and get the answers ams the story all at once.
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I don't think it's a mess. It's just 98% classic sitcom at this point with hints of something developing. I agree this may be a better one to just sit down and watch all at once. I trust the MCU people to make a great show so I'm sticking around. But without that history of great stories, they'd be losing me on this show.
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I was reading through IMDB page and found this:
The series will serve as a link to Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (2022).
The Stark toaster makes the same sound that the Iron Man suit makes when powering down.
The series is based on the comics "The Vision and the Scarlet Witch" (the two heroes have adventures together), "House of M" (Wanda creates an idyllic alternate reality) and "Visions" (the Vision tried to live a normal life with his family).
Aaron Taylor-Johnson is in talks to reprise his role as Pietro Maximoff for flashbacks.
In series one, episode two, the toy helicopter that Wanda finds in the hedge outside their home bears the S.W.O.R.D logo (Sentient World Observation and Response Department) printed on the side.
In series one, episode two, the trophy that Wanda and Vision receive for winning the inaugural comedy section of the talent competition is exactly the same as the trophy Scott Lang receives from his daughter titled 'Worlds Greatest Grandma'
The TV ad in Season 1, Episode 2, displays a Strücker watch. It bears the Hydra name and logo on its face. Baron von Strücker is behind Hydra. He experimented on Wanda and her brother.
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They are going to slow play this. Clearly we sort of know what is going on. I also have some theories around how Vision is there, since he died in the movies and all.
DUH! I just got that. "WandaVision" = "Wanda" (the girl) and "Vision" (the guy). I just assumed, because of the sit-com thing, that it was "WandaVision" as in "Television".
Sometimes I kill me.
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Yeah, that took me a little longer than it should have, too. "Wandavision" sounds like a camera on Wanda 24/7. Which, now that I think about it, I would probably watch.
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Wow. I went back and watched the second episode again, from the start (without Mrs. Orbert, who possibly has bailed on this show).
The first episode had references and homages to countless black-and-white sitcoms. The living room is the Petrie's from The Dick Van Dyke Show. The musical theme incorporated cues and callbacks to Bewitched, I Dream of Jeannie, I Love Lucy, and probably others. Those are just the obvious ones. Kathryn Hahn as Agnes the neighbor is Gladys Kravitz plus every nosy neighbor cliché character, plus some unidentified weirdness. Mr. Hart was Darrin Stevens' boss Mr. Tate merged with a few other "boss" characters, including Mr. Slate. Even Mrs. Hart was Ethel Mertz, Lucy and Ricky Ricardo's friend, give or take a few other clichés. It was like they put all of these ingredients into a blender and somehow a cohesive screenplay came out, though obviously it was the opposite; it was a very carefully crafted blend of all these ingredients.
Episode 2 focused more directly on the Bewitched parallels (including the awesome opening credits), but also upped the weirdness factor. This is where Mrs. Orbert bailed, but right where I was finally starting to get sucked in. I'm still not sure what to make of it, but we're getting stronger indications that things are not as they seem. Well, yeah, obviously, but what are they really? Wanda kept asking Vision, as though she really needed to hear him reassure her, whether this was all real. And I'm pretty sure it's not (we keep hearing someone ask "Wanda, who is doing this to you?"), but have no effing idea what reality is.
I have the feeling that Episode 3 will explain a lot of things. And probably crank up the weirdness factor some more.
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I looks like each episode will be set in different decade, maybe playing homage to a popular sitcom of that decade.
First two episodes were OK I thought, but like that Episode of Mr Robot that set itself in a sitcom it does start to become tiresome, glad the episode are short.
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<Door opens>
Group: "WANDA!"
Nick Fury: "Hey Wanda, how's life treating you?"
Wanda: "Like a baby treats a diaper. Pour me a beer, Nicky!"
Vision: "So in short, 'DNA' stands for 'Dames are Not Aggressive. Now, let's talk about the steam combustion engine."
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<Door opens>
Group: "WANDA!"
Nick Fury: "Hey Wanda, how's life treating you?"
Wanda: "Like a baby treats a diaper. Pour me a beer, Nicky!"
Vision: "So in short, 'DNA' stands for 'Dames are Not Aggressive. Now, let's talk about the steam combustion engine."
Maybe it’s the fact that I’m currently doing a big Cheers (into Frasier) rewatch, but now I’ll be disappointed if they don’t do this.
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I just watched this video by TONY STARKS explaining ep 1 and 2 of WV. It is in Spanish, it is very detailed I am sure there must be an English version out there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEo2rJp1omE
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Story Featurette | Marvel Studios' WandaVision | Disney+
CONTAINS MAJOR SPOILERS!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpzqDoEHS08
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Spoilers for Episode 2:
(https://i.imgur.com/OhScBQz.jpg)
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New episode is out, getting into 70s shows now I see. Plus a bit more reality. Reminds me of Better Call Saul in that regard. I'm guessing they'll continue a few more decades all the way to current day maybe?
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LOVED episode 3. I wish they weren't so short. That's really my only complaint. I love how they basically merge these period sit-coms with the psychological thriller genre. This is SO different for MCU, while still feeling familiar and fitting for an MCU-related title. Disney is doing a bang-up job with their D+ streaming series in the Star Wars universe and MCU thus far. If this kind of quality keeps up, I am going to be REALLY happy.
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LOVED episode 3. I wish they weren't so short. That's really my only complaint. I love how they basically merge these period sit-coms with the psychological thriller genre. This is SO different for MCU, while still feeling familiar and fitting for an MCU-related title. Disney is going a bang-up job with their D+ streaming series in the Star Wars universe and MCU thus far. If this kind of quality keeps up, I am going to be REALLY happy.
Agreed on all counts. I'm really loving WandaVision so far, the fusion of styles is really working for me.
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Yeah, really intriguing. Liking it. The eps are short, though. Keeps me wanting me more, though!
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I like a good mystery, and I like a good mindfuck, but there needs to be some kind of anchor in reality, at some point it would be nice to have some idea what the hell is going on. Obviously things are not what they seem; they're not actually living in a 50's-60's-70's sitcom world, and we've seen how there are cracks appearing in the facade. But it's being dragged out so slowly that it's getting tedious.
Still intriguing, but really, if something doesn't happen soon that actually makes some kind of fucking sense, I might be out. For some reason, I was thinking that the third episode would be where we actually get some idea of what's going on. Instead, it's all a bunch of weird shit going on, and the occassional hint about what's really happening, still very cryptic, still stringing us along...
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I like a good mystery, and I like a good mindfuck, but there needs to be some kind of anchor in reality, at some point it would be nice to have some idea what the hell is going on. Obviously things are not what they seem; they're not actually living in a 50's-60's-70's sitcom world, and we've seen how there are cracks appearing in the facade. But it's being dragged out so slowly that it's getting tedious.
Still intriguing, but really, if something doesn't happen soon that actually makes some kind of fucking sense, I might be out. For some reason, I was thinking that the third episode would be where we actually get some idea of what's going on. Instead, it's all a bunch of weird shit going on, and the occassional hint about what's really happening, still very cryptic, still stringing us along...
20 minutes a week is too much of a time commitment for you?? :lol Patience my man.
I'm wondering if ep 4 or 5 might be a single episode largely outside of Westview to show what's been going on in the real world so far as SWORD tries to 'get' (physically and mentally) through to Wanda.
Given Cheers is my fave sitcom of all time, I too will be disappointed if that's not the format for the 80s or 90s. Surely it won't be The Cosby Show :lol :|. Maybe Family Ties?
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Seriously. I honestly thought that phase 4 would be the point where they jumped the shark. I just kept thinking there’s no way they can keep up the high quality of storytelling that they’ve been doing so far. And I originally thought the previews of the show looked a little weird and stupid. But I am completely blown away. I can’t believe that they are consistently sticking to quality over fan service. I hope that this is the pacing for all the D+ shows moving forward.
For years I’ve been complaining that most modern day movies never take the time to allow a story to develop. Everything is spliced together like it was edited by Freddy Krueger. It’s so refreshing to see a show that dares to take the risk of slowing things down, developing a theme, developing tension, and developing characters. It’s a very old-school approach and I love it.
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It's moving a little slowly for me so far (did we really need three episodes to show us that there's something weird going on?), but I have faith the payoff will be worth it.
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Somebody online tried to say that there’s nothing happened so far they they couldn’t of done in a single episode. I couldn’t help but shake my head. If all of what just happened happened in a single episode I would’ve shut it off. It would literally kill the whole thing.
One of the most important things that has happened by allowing it to slowly develop this way is establishing that every time Wanda doesn’t like some thing, she rewinds and changes things, or she will boot someone out. Either way, you’re establishing a pattern of her behavior in trying to maintain this façade.
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I definitely try not to tell anyone they are wrong for feeling how they feel about something. I do disagree with those who say it's moving too slow or is boring or something like. I think the show isn't just showing that "something isn't right here." It's developing the psychology of the people involved and creating tension, atmosphere and character while also slowly developing some plot. I think if you look for plot heavy move from A to B to C on a steady (and fast) pace, then this isn't what the show is trying to do. It's important to measure the show against what it's trying to do (in a grand scheme of things way). That said, if you aren't digging the show and want things to move faster and the plot to pick up and become more traditional, then it also means that what they ARE doing isn't connecting with you. Which is why I don't tell anyone they're wrong, because if they don't like something then there is definitely a reason for that, even if their complaints aren't necessarily always valid. I love the show but can totally see how it's not the thing that will connect with a lot of people.
It's definitely not getting rave reviews across the board. It does seem split into people who really love it and people who really don't like it and think it's boring. I hope Marvel will just do what they want to do and trust us to trust them, which I assume they will.
That said, if you want more traditional plot and a quicker pace and less gimmick, then in mid March we get The Falcon and the Winter Soldier which will hopefully please more of the wide array of Marvel fans. I know I'm pretty excited for it.
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I hope that this is the pacing for all the D+ shows moving forward.
I don't. It fits this show perfectly. But I don't think it would be fitting for the other shows, and I welcoming them each having their own identity and doing their own thing. I could be wrong, but it appears that Falcon/Winter Soldier will be more "traditional" action/adventure, and Loki will be something completely different, so each of the first three D+ shows will have its own style, identity, and tone, and I love that.
Somebody online tried to say that there’s nothing happened so far they they couldn’t of done in a single episode.
I agree that it could have all been done in a single episode. But I think Adami nailed it as to why it would not be best for what they are trying to accomplish. What they are doing is brilliant, and I wouldn't change a thing so far.
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I'm not saying it's boring. It is very interesting. A lot of thought and effort has gone into this show, and I think most of it is very well done. The way they've captured the vibe of the old-school family sitcoms is incredible, production values are high, the writing is sharp, and obviously there's a master plan behind it all. And Wanda is a total babe, so that's a big plus right there (you knew I was going to mention that, and I wouldn't want to disappoint).
But with only nine episodes total, we're 1/3 of the way through the show and literally don't know much more than "things are not what they seem". Maybe this will be one of those shows where we don't understand it until we get to the very end. Maybe we'll never know what the hell's going on for sure. I'm just saying that building the tension is one thing, but I'd really like to know what the fuck is going on at some point, and they've given us no indication that that's even forthcoming. I hate not knowing; I hate not understanding. I'm way outside of my comfort zone, and it's... uncomfortable. Meanwhile the practical side of me is screaming at me to not invest any more time into this if there isn't going to be a payoff. I still think there will be one. I just hope it turns out to be worth it.
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"Life begins at the edge of your comfort zone." - Neale Donald Walsch
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I'm not saying it's boring. It is very interesting. A lot of thought and effort has gone into this show, and I think most of it is very well done. The way they've captured the vibe of the old-school family sitcoms is incredible, production values are high, the writing is sharp, and obviously there's a master plan behind it all. And Wanda is a total babe, so that's a big plus right there (you knew I was going to mention that, and I wouldn't want to disappoint).
But with only nine episodes total, we're 1/3 of the way through the show and literally don't know much more than "things are not what they seem". Maybe this will be one of those shows where we don't understand it until we get to the very end. Maybe we'll never know what the hell's going on for sure. I'm just saying that building the tension is one thing, but I'd really like to know what the fuck is going on at some point, and they've given us no indication that that's even forthcoming. I hate not knowing; I hate not understanding. I'm way outside of my comfort zone, and it's... uncomfortable. Meanwhile the practical side of me is screaming at me to not invest any more time into this if there isn't going to be a payoff. I still think there will be one. I just hope it turns out to be worth it.
Totally get that. Much of my post was just aimed at the general people who have expressed displeasure with it.
As far as what's happening, you're right that we don't totally know. It has a big mystery element. But we do know more than "things are not what they seem." We know that there is a small town that has been created inside some sort of force field and inside of that is Wanda and all of her stuff, and outside of it is SWORD and maybe other military trying to figure out what the hell is going on inside and how to help. Looks like they have tried to send in people to infiltrate (Bee keeper guy) and have even succeeded with Monica who got kicked out. So we know a little bit but don't have all the info. Which I'm fine with.
Edit: I feel like this is going to be the kind of show where when it's over, a lot of people will want to watch it over again with all the info and see it in a different way or catch a lot of things that now make sense in a different light. Like when The 6th Sense came out and we all saw it again after finding out Bruce was dead the whole time.
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We know that there is a small town that has been created inside some sort of force field and inside of that is Wanda and all of her stuff, and outside of it is SWORD and maybe other military trying to figure out what the hell is going on inside and how to help. Looks like they have tried to send in people to infiltrate (Bee keeper guy) and have even succeeded with Monica who got kicked out.
We know this? I mean, that sounds like a reasonable explanation for some of the stuff we've seen, but I would not have gotten to that from what I've seen, and I've watched each episode twice. Also, who is Monica? You mean Geraldine?
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We know that there is a small town that has been created inside some sort of force field and inside of that is Wanda and all of her stuff, and outside of it is SWORD and maybe other military trying to figure out what the hell is going on inside and how to help. Looks like they have tried to send in people to infiltrate (Bee keeper guy) and have even succeeded with Monica who got kicked out.
We know this? I mean, that sounds like a reasonable explanation for some of the stuff we've seen, but I would not have gotten to that from what I've seen, and I've watched each episode twice. Also, who is Monica? You mean Geraldine?
Yes. They established that she’s the little girl from Captain Marvel all grown up.
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We know that there is a small town that has been created inside some sort of force field and inside of that is Wanda and all of her stuff, and outside of it is SWORD and maybe other military trying to figure out what the hell is going on inside and how to help. Looks like they have tried to send in people to infiltrate (Bee keeper guy) and have even succeeded with Monica who got kicked out.
We know this? I mean, that sounds like a reasonable explanation for some of the stuff we've seen, but I would not have gotten to that from what I've seen, and I've watched each episode twice. Also, who is Monica? You mean Geraldine?
Yea. Geraldine.
And I think they gave us plenty to know that stuff. I just typed out stuff they have definitely made clear and didn’t include any theories. They didn’t flat out tell us it all in exposition but they very much showed us.
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I don't think they've yet confirmed/demonstrated in the show that Geraldine is Monica Rambeau have they? Though that particular point has been known about since casting announcements a few months ago I think.
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Okay, I'll take your word for it. Geraldine was acting weird for a minute, then she went back to "normal", then later she was blasted out into a field, at night, and there were cops and lights and I went "what the fuck?" That this was a glimpse out of WandaVision and into "the real world" makes sense; I guess I just wasn't putting that together.
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Okay, I'll take your word for it. Geraldine was acting weird for a minute, then she went back to "normal", then later she was blasted out into a field, at night, and there were cops and lights and I went "what the fuck?" That this was a glimpse out of WandaVision and into "the real world" makes sense; I guess I just wasn't putting that together.
I appreciate that some of the points such as Geraldine being Monica Rambeau and her necklace being the SWORD logo won't be clear yet for most viewers (I myself didn't know about the SWORD thing and at the time of watching had forgotten the casting stuff about Monica). But can I check that you've watched previous MCU films, particularly the Avengers ones that Wanda and Vision have been in?
The reason I ask is that this show absolutely requires viewers to be familiar with the backstory of these two characters from the prior movies. You describe it as though a bunch of random events happened, but it's all tied into things we've seen before. Geraldine wasn't just randomly "acting weird for a minute", she specifically asked Wanda about Ultron killing her twin brother (in Avengers: Age of Ultron), i.e. she knows about the real world. We also know that Wanda was distraught about losing Vision in the most recent Avengers films, and that she can control/affect what's going on in Westview because we've seen her rewind time twice in previous episodes, so evidently she did something to blast Geraldine out of Westview when it became clear she knew about the real world, presumably to try and maintain this fantasy she's in where Vision is still alive.
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Yes, I've seen all the MCU films, some more than once, but most just once or twice. Geraldine seemed to "remember" that Ultron kill Pietro, and Wanda kinda freaked out that someone in Westview would know that and comment on it. That much I got. Then she gets blasted out to the real world. I hadn't put that together, but it makes sense.
I get that they're slowly revealing things and (hopefully) it will all eventually make sense. But this series is demanding a lot of patience of the viewer, and also requiring that they put together a lot of things that happened in films spread over 10 years (though mostly in the latter part of that 10-year run).
Maybe I'm just not copping to the "new" way TV series are done these days. I don't actually watch a lot of TV, my background is in mostly episodic stuff from the 20th century. The Mandalorian is the only other recent show I've seen, and I'm enjoying the hell out of it. There are references to other Star Wars properties sprinkled throughout, quite liberally actually, but the overall story holds together without the viewer having any background at all. WandaVision is like the exact opposite of that. The story makes no sense on the surface, and even if you do recognize the SWORD logo, or catch the signficance of Stark Industries making a toaster or Stucker making watches, after three episodes everything is still pretty much in the "this will all make sense eventually" stage. It's coming together, but very slowly. Painfully slowly. I'm repeating myself now, so I will stop and hope that maybe I'll be able to wrap my brain it all at some point.
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Moments I had serious mental whiplash:
The cut when Wanda reset the reality
Ultron name drop (Pietro was close)
Vision almost figuring it out TWICE
The aspect ratio change at the end.
Holy shit this episode is by far the best
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The aspect ratio change at the end.
I *loved* that transition.
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Dumb question time.
In writing, I've seen him referred to as Vision, but also "the Vision" and even "The Vision". Which is it?
Or is this one of those situations where his real name is "The Vision" but people just call him "Vision"? Wanda just calls him "Vis" most of the time.
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Dumb question time.
In writing, I've seen him referred to as Vision, but also "the Vision" and even "The Vision". Which is it?
Or is this one of those situations where his real name is "The Vision" but people just call him "Vision"? Wanda just calls him "Vis" most of the time.
Not dumb. When he was created, he was essentially dubbed The Vision as more of a title than a name, but it became his name. Since The sounds weird to call someone, most people just refer to him as Vision or Vis.
It's like Bosk. We all call him Bosk, but his wife calls him The Bosk. You know?
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Makes sense. Although I always figured she called him Bosk 1 to distinguish him from all the others, but since there's only one, "The Bosk" makes more sense.
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Well, actually, much like this show, we run our household like a 50s sitcom. So she refers to me as "Mr. 1."
Back to Vision, yeah, it's an interesting subtle little thread in Age of Ultron how his "name" comes about. Thor first refers to him being from his vision that he had at the Well of Wyrd, and it just kind of sticks as a reference to him. Later, Ultron twists that a bit and says, "They took my vision," also referring to Vision, but also not by "name" so much as Vision was the culmination of Ultron's vision of his and the world's "evolution." Both are, of course, a play on the character's name from the comics, and an interesting way of seeing it become a name for this character in the MCU. So, yeah, it's more of a "description" of something related to the character rather than the character himself (and two separate somethings, depending on who is using it), but gets adapted to be the character's name.
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Age of Ultron is one of the MCU movies I've only seen once, and I vaguely remember some of this now. I asked mostly because I think Vision is a pretty cool name, but then I references to "the Vision" and "The Vision" and wondered what was up with that. That's kinda wacky how his name came about.
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WandaVision | Episode 4 Promo 3 | Disney+
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqMFPYwZ_TI
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Wow just wow what an episode!
I think this episode more than others felt really short. It was over by the time you knew it.
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"Wow!" is right. This is the episode I apparently was expecting last time, the one where everything comes together and you see how masterfully they've put it together (and how masterfully you've been played). It's my own fault for being so impatient and somehow assuming that that would be Episode 3. Very well done. I'm comfortable now.
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Yes also a 'Wow!' from me. Loving this show and agree that you are really left with wanting more at the end. Long time since I have felt the 'can't wait for next week' vibe from a TV show. That seems like a feeling lost in the past ever since the Netflix binge watching too place. But it really suits this show to have to wait a week for more.
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"Wow!" is right. This is the episode I apparently was expecting last time, the one where everything comes together and you see how masterfully they've put it together (and how masterfully you've been played). It's my own fault for being so impatient and somehow assuming that that would be Episode 3. Very well done. I'm comfortable now.
Haha. I was coming in here to say “Bob ought to be happy NOW!”
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I am. Everything about it was right. Also, I seem to be in the minority in liking Kat Dennings and her Darcy character, so that was a nice surprise. Randall Park playing Randall Park was the only not-quite-awesome part about it, but Randall Park is really getting good at playing Randall Park, so it worked.
(It bugs me that a Korean guy is playing a Chinese character, and no that's not racist because we're all Asian. It's just good old-fashinoned prejudice.)
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Kat Dennings can do no wrong.
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Kat Dennings can do no wrong.
She’s my biggest “celebrity crush”. My wife knows (because I married her) that my “type” is short and busty. Not too many women in Hollywood get that classification. But Kat definitely checks those boxes.
Can I just say that I KNEW IT????? I never claimed to know the details, but even before the first episode aired, I announced to my family that this “sit-com” thing was an alternate reality that Wanda was creating out of her inability to cope with Vision’s death. And that this sitcom would slowly start to crumble around her...just like dealing with the death of a loved one. Basically, “what does the ‘denial’ phase look like when a superpower has the ability to create their own fake reality?”
But I love the execution, I love the inclusion of the bit players from other films, I love the explanation of where we are in the timeline...
This show is awesome!!!
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Yeah, really good episode this week that felt like it was over five minutes after it started.
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Yeah, really good episode this week that felt like it was over five minutes after it started.
Seriously, it felt so short.
But man, talk about the payoff...just some masterful storytelling and execution. I guarantee 100% of the Marvel audience is fully committed now.
Did anyone else notice Agent Woo used the sleight of hand magic with his business card in the beginning when he met Rambeau? Such a brilliant subtle nod :lol
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What's that a reference to?
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Yeah, really good episode this week that felt like it was over five minutes after it started.
Seriously, it felt so short.
But man, talk about the payoff...just some masterful storytelling and execution. I guarantee 100% of the Marvel audience is fully committed now.
Did anyone else notice Agent Woo used the sleight of hand magic with his business card in the beginning when he met Rambeau? Such a brilliant subtle nod :lol
Yes, I did notice, but also do not get the reference.
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Really enjoyed this ep
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Ant Man/Wasp reference. Scott had learned some magic tricks under house arrest and Woo was fascinated by them and I think even started to try learning them.
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Ant Man/Wasp reference. Scott had learned some magic tricks under house arrest and Woo was fascinated by them and I think even started to try learning them.
He did, there was one scene where he got caught watching online magic classes. Maybe my wording was confusing, I just thought it was such a great 'attention to detail' moment that the MCU is so fucking consistently good at.
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Kat Dennings can do no wrong.
She’s my biggest “celebrity crush”. My wife knows (because I married her) that my “type” is short and busty. Not too many women in Hollywood get that classification. But Kat definitely checks those boxes.
Can I just say that I KNEW IT????? I never claimed to know the details, but even before the first episode aired, I announced to my family that this “sit-com” thing was an alternate reality that Wanda was creating out of her inability to cope with Vision’s death. And that this sitcom would slowly start to crumble around her...just like dealing with the death of a loved one. Basically, “what does the ‘denial’ phase look like when a superpower has the ability to create their own fake reality?”
Yes, yes and yes.
I crush hard on Kat, myself, going all the way back to the Nick and Norah movie. Man, that was a long time ago.
After the first episode my leading guess was Vision was still dead and this was some kind of coping type thing. Essentially, Wanda had a mental break and we are seeing what a mental break is like for one of the most powerful beings in existence.
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Ant Man/Wasp reference. Scott had learned some magic tricks under house arrest and Woo was fascinated by them and I think even started to try learning them.
He did, there was one scene where he got caught watching online magic classes. Maybe my wording was confusing, I just thought it was such a great 'attention to detail' moment that the MCU is so fucking consistently good at.
Oh yeah, I totally forgot about that. I only watched AM&W once, so I forget a lot of the little things. Hell, I've forgotten most of the big things! :lol
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I am. Everything about it was right. Also, I seem to be in the minority in liking Kat Dennings and her Darcy character, so that was a nice surprise. Randall Park playing Randall Park was the only not-quite-awesome part about it, but Randall Park is really getting good at playing Randall Park, so it worked.
(It bugs me that a Korean guy is playing a Chinese character, and no that's not racist because we're all Asian. It's just good old-fashinoned prejudice.)
That's kind of a pet peeve of mine, too; though not for any deep identity politics reasons.
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Lizzie Olsen is a terrific actress.
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So, uh, this week's episode is awesome
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Got the day off, do you?
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If only. The snow we got this week means instead of out on a morning walk I'm on the elliptical, which means I at least get caught up on TV
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Holy cow what an episode!
I really wish internet snoopers weren’t all in a rush to spoil everything as quickly as possible or else part of this episode would’ve been mind blowing.
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Yeah, I'm definitely glad that I watched it first thing this morning before really looking at the internet.
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Yeah, I'm definitely glad that I watched it first thing this morning before really looking at the internet.
Oh not even that, the stuff I'm obviously talking about was being reported different places like 2 weeks or so ago. It's just annoying. People are in such a hurry to publish every spoiler that when we finally see the thing it has a bit of the oomph taken away because of it. And the spoilers aren't even hidden within an article that warns of it. It's in the god damn headline.
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Oh I guess I've been lucky to not have stumbled across that over the last couple of weeks then.
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Yeah, I'm definitely glad that I watched it first thing this morning before really looking at the internet.
Oh not even that, the stuff I'm obviously talking about was being reported different places like 2 weeks or so ago. It's just annoying. People are in such a hurry to publish every spoiler that when we finally see the thing it has a bit of the oomph taken away because of it. And the spoilers aren't even hidden within an article that warns of it. It's in the god damn headline.
That was kind of the effect of the end of Season 2 of The Mandalorian for me. For all it was built up to be, it couldn't ever deliver on that hype.
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Oh I watched mando as quickly as I could for that reason. I luckily avoided all spoilers for the end of season 2 and was like waahhhhhhhhh
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Great episode! I avoid spoilers like the plague. I think I've been pretty good about not getting spoiled by much or anything so far.
Makes me want to rewatch all MCU movies.. and Full House for some reason.
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Oh I guess I've been lucky to not have stumbled across that over the last couple of weeks then.
Ditto... gonna fire it up right after dinner.
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Wow. Just wow.
I'm literally speechless at how fucking good this show is becoming, and my jaw is still on the floor after that last scene. They're firing on all cylinders here, executing a brilliant concept to perfection.
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Me at the end ...
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/de/49/ca/de49ca59a604701a28a563b3eb06780e.gif)
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Me at the end ...
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/de/49/ca/de49ca59a604701a28a563b3eb06780e.gif)
For. Fucking. Reals. :omg: :omg: :omg:
I didn't even have time to lol at the recast joke...Definitely will be watching again after work.
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Marvel never disappoints.
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I actually had to look up the ending to understand it. But once I did, and the full force of what they had done hit me, I smiled from ear to ear.
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Star Wars-breaks out Luke as a surprise
Marvel - 'hold my beer'
So I'm re-watching it, and there's a bit in the beginning, just a blip moment, that really sets the tone of the whole episode so perfectly. Spoilers...When they're trying to get the kids to stop crying and Agnes shows up to help. Vision tries to stop her from holding them, and she gets so confused and seamlessly breaks character to ask Wanda for further directions. I was shocked at how much the moment shook me, just so awkward and disturbing, and it kind of set me on edge for the rest of the episode. It was a perfect way to tie us, the viewers, into the same reality shaking moment that Vision himself started going through, just brilliantly done.
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I swear, this show just keeps getting better and better. What a great episode, and really was not expecting that ending.
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If anyone expected that, I'd say they were lying. No one could've seen that one coming...
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If anyone expected that, I'd say they were lying. No one could've seen that one coming...
There was a youtube video that kept popping up in my feed that was basically an indirect spoiler.
Great episode though. Only thing I didn't like was the acting of the guy at Vision's work. I think the child actors were supposed to be bad so I gave them a pass. All child actors are terrible in sitcoms.
The house looked very similar to the one from Step by Step.
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Really clever and totally surprising way of introducing us to the Multi-Verse. We know the Multi-Verse is coming - featuring heaverly in Doctor Strange 2 (also featuring Scarlett Witch) and also the crazy speculation about who going to be in Spider-Man 3, but this was a brilliant way to set things up and let's be honest opens the door for a ton of cross over potential.
To be honest I've been on the fence with Wandavision so far, I' just not a fan of the Sitcom homage style - but the story behind WTF is going on is really interesting.
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Star Wars-breaks out Luke as a surprise
Marvel - 'hold my beer'
So I'm re-watching it, and there's a bit in the beginning, just a blip moment, that really sets the tone of the whole episode so perfectly. Spoilers...When they're trying to get the kids to stop crying and Agnes shows up to help. Vision tries to stop her from holding them, and she gets so confused and seamlessly breaks character to ask Wanda for further directions. I was shocked at how much the moment shook me, just so awkward and disturbing, and it kind of set me on edge for the rest of the episode. It was a perfect way to tie us, the viewers, into the same reality shaking moment that Vision himself started going through, just brilliantly done.
totally on both points above. For the spoiler comment, I was the same. A truly legit "Wait. What?? What the hell was that all about" I think I (might) get it now, based on some of the things jingle.son has quasi-spoiled me about vis-a-vis rumours.
And yeah... this one was so good, it might need a re-watch.
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I think it would be fun if James Spader popped up at some point this season to play Vision's "father".
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What if this Pietro is Mephisto trying to calm Wanda as he might fear she 'breaks mentally' and keep her in this reality?
What about Agnes? she and Darcy are the only ones that weren't given a background like others from Westview when Sword had their pictures on the wall?
I remember they mentioned that someone was being transported by the FBI and got trapped in Westview too, but no mention of who this person is.
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I think it would be fun if James Spader popped up at some point this season to play Vision's "father".
OMG, that would be fantastic!
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What if this Pietro is Mephisto trying to calm Wanda as he might fear she 'breaks mentally' and keep her in this reality?
What about Agnes? she and Darcy are the only ones that weren't given a background like others from Westview when Sword had their pictures on the wall?
I remember they mentioned that someone was being transported by the FBI and got trapped in Westview too, but no mention of who this person is.
I'd say this Pietro is their way of breaking into the multiverse, now that they've broken the seal, all versions are possible, setting the stage for Spiderman 3 and Dr Strange 2. There were two bits with Monica that tripped me out, first was her reaction to Captain Marvel's mention, that was just too ominous and deliberate to be ignored. Also was her calling her 'aerospace engineer friend', wondering if it'll be Richards or Doom...../size]
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Okay, I didn't understand the significance of that last "post-credits" scene, but I looked it up and I think it's nuts. In a good way. This show is a mindfuck.
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They literally opened the door to the whole marvel universe in that one moment. Anything is possible now.
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What if this Pietro is Mephisto trying to calm Wanda as he might fear she 'breaks mentally' and keep her in this reality?
What about Agnes? she and Darcy are the only ones that weren't given a background like others from Westview when Sword had their pictures on the wall?
I remember they mentioned that someone was being transported by the FBI and got trapped in Westview too, but no mention of who this person is.
I'd say this Pietro is their way of breaking into the multiverse, now that they've broken the seal, all versions are possible, setting the stage for Spiderman 3 and Dr Strange 2. There were two bits with Monica that tripped me out, first was her reaction to Captain Marvel's mention, that was just too ominous and deliberate to be ignored. Also was her calling her 'aerospace engineer friend', wondering if it'll be Richards or Doom.....
Part of what I'm wondering is whether this "Pietro" is actually the Quicksilver from the x-men/Fox universe, who (since we know he doesn't age as much as normal people) is simply living in Westview. Though I doubt it - Ministro's theory is probably the more likely one, and one that jingle.son has heard. But it would be cool. Agnes is almost assuredly some kind of outside presence - in last week's episode, it was specifically commented that the FBI hadn't identified Agnes, so she's obviously not a town resident, and she's obviously trying to throw shade at the whole sitcom thing... trying to tip Vision off maybe? Trying to show Wanda that this is all going to fall apart?
As for Spiderman 3, jingle.son said a set photo leaked this week with Willem Dafoe on set, so I can't see any other possibility than some multi-verse angle.
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I thought Toby Mcguire and Andrew Garfield were already confirmed as well, and the dude who played Doc Oc was rumored.
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Tongue-firmly in cheek here, it was not technically a recast. The original showed up.
I love the X-Men movies, especially Days Of Future Past, and well, that makes my above statement make more sense.
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I thought Toby Mcguire and Andrew Garfield were already confirmed as well, and the dude who played Doc Oc was rumored.
Well yes....but there are reports that Toby is being a class-A certifiable diva dickweed on set, and the MCU powers that be tend to work with “team players”. If he keeps it up, he might end up on the cutting room floor.
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I thought Toby Mcguire and Andrew Garfield were already confirmed as well, and the dude who played Doc Oc was rumored.
Well yes....but there are reports that Toby is being a class-A certifiable diva dickweed on set, and the MCU powers that be tend to work with “team players”. If he keeps it up, he might end up on the cutting room floor.
How can anyone lean towards being a diva in any MCU setting, you're always neck deep in heavy hitters man
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My step son and I were joking last night over hypothetical's. Mostly involving Toby walking on set proclaiming to be the OG Spider-Man and the reason everyone is even there. (We're making all of this up and laughing amongst ourselves) And how the response of the MCU writers would most likely be something along the lines of...."You're in the multiverse now, we can KILL you if we feel like it." :coolio
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A little off topic, but according to Disney+, fully exposed man butt is ok (Days of Future Past) but mostly covered up female butt (Splash) needs shitty CGI to cover it up more.
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That's sad. Seriously, it's like reverse sexism or something. If they had a naked female butt, people would be screaming sexism, but male butt is okay because no one's gonna complain.
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I thought Toby Mcguire and Andrew Garfield were already confirmed as well, and the dude who played Doc Oc was rumored.
Jamie Fox too.
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I thought Toby Mcguire and Andrew Garfield were already confirmed as well, and the dude who played Doc Oc was rumored.
Jamie Fox too.
They could've left his character out for me lol
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First, thoughts on WandaVision episode 5.
LOVED IT! I hope the amazing episode doesn't get totally eclipsed by the ending. It's a very cool ending and could mean a multitude of things, but the rest of the episode was incredible. I loved when Wanda broke back into her Sokovian accent when talking to SWORD. Subtle character move. I loved when Vision fought through the end credits and really went head to head with Wanda. It shows she really can't simply control him or else she would have. Best acting by the two of them thus far I think. The Agnes scene of her wanting to start from the top, I think, hints at her having a huge role behind the scenes. Which they've alluded to in a bunch of others ways too. My theory is that she and maybe some others offered Wanda a way to get Vision back using her reality warping powers but Wanda proved too powerful for them and took over to some degree. I also think they (whoever they are) are trying to get the kids and they're the whole point of it. Many other thoughts, but that's the bulk of them.
Second, I don't think anyone is officially confirmed for Spidey 3 execept Jamie Foxx as Electro and Dr. Strange. The rest are a ton of rumors and people simply claiming to have been confirmed. But, best I can tell, none of the other Spider-Men have been confirmed. So whether or not Tobey, Andrew, etc etc are in it is very possible but definitely NOT confirmed.
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I totally agree, the big twist at the ending was just the icing on the cake of a brilliantly executed show beginning to end. The details are so well nourished and displayed as they have been since the beginning, and it is totally paying off. And I agree on the end credits scene where Vision fought through it, such a unique and amazing way to blow the drama factor off the charts. As I said earlier, I watched the show from the scene where Sparky died to the end through my fingers with my jaw literally agape, a good deal from the overwhelming drama of it all, and the rest from sheer awe of how well it was done.
I can't wait for the Halloween episode next!!!
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I read somewhere that the animals that{e been presented on the show somehow are connected to Mephisto, I don't remember if I read that hear or somewhere else: Lobster EP1, Rabit EP2, Stork EP3, I don't remember any on EP4, and then we have the Dog on EP5.
I don't know much about Mephisto, but do these animals relate to him? Any clue, or is this just way off?
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I'm now in the loop with Wandavision, and wow all bets are off at this point!
I read somewhere that the animals that{e been presented on the show somehow are connected to Mephisto, I don't remember if I read that hear or somewhere else: Lobster EP1, Rabit EP2, Stork EP3, I don't remember any on EP4, and then we have the Dog on EP5.
I don't know much about Mephisto, but do these animals relate to him? Any clue, or is this just way off?
All I know is that Mephisto is a major villan in the marvel comics, and he's basically the devil!
He is also the one behind Ghost Rider. The various Ghost Riders basically sell their souls to him, and in turn Mephisto turns them into his personal bounty hunters. He was also played by Peter Fonda in the first Nick Cage Ghost Rider film.
I have no idea how Mephisto might be connected to all this, but interesting nonetheless!
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Nice little egg in the beginning that I totally missed till it was pointed out....When Vision and Wanda are trying to get the babies to stop crying, and Vision says "I tried reading to him, but Darwin's The Descent of Man just made him cry even more"... mutants are coming my friends... :caffeine:
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I'll be honest, as far as I can tell, the Mephisto stuff is just kind of made up.
Mephisto IS in the comics and has had big story lines with almost every character at one point or another, including Wanda. I think someone or a few people just randomly thought that maybe Mephisto would show up so the idea spread like wild fire and people started looking for things that might be interpreted as Mephisto. But as far as I know, the "evidence" for Mephisto is induced rather than deduced. They decided Mephisto is already a part of it and they are looking for things that can be interpreted as evidence, as opposed to seeing things that definitely hinted at Mephisto independently.
Maybe Mephisto is there? I have no idea, but I haven't seen anything that gives me the idea other than all the stuff people say COULD mean him but could just as equally not have anything to do with him.
Hope that makes sense.
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Yeah, I'm not feeling Mephisto either. Based on all that's been hinted about in Spiderman 3 and Dr Strange 2, cracking open the multiverse is by far the most likely theory at this point. Plus they need that mechanism to get the FOX products in their without looking too silly.
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I like the possible implications of new Pietro's presence more than the possibility that he really is the Pietro from the X-Men films. Mostly because I hate the X-Men films.
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I like the possible implications of new Pietro's presence more than the possibility that he really is the Pietro from the X-Men films. Mostly because I hate the X-Men films.
Agreed. But not because I hate the X-Men films. I mean, for the most part, I do. But that isn't the reason I don't want it to actually be the Pietro from those films. I just think that opening the door to other Marvel-related franchises outside the MCU (i.e. those done by other studios) is unnecessarily confusing and, honestly, kinda dumb. I think (and hope) that using that specific actor was just a nice little nod to the fans, and perhaps a way of messing with us a bit to ramp up rabid speculation about what it could mean. I guess we'll see soon enough. (although I am kinda starting to think that perhaps there will not be a big reveal or explanation in this series. At the end of it, I am starting to think that we may be left with more questions than answers, and that we won't even know for certain whether this is truly all Wanda or someone else manipulating her, and that not really being explained/resolved/fully-revealed until Dr. Strange.
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I like the possible implications of new Pietro's presence more than the possibility that he really is the Pietro from the X-Men films. Mostly because I hate the X-Men films.
Agreed. But not because I hate the X-Men films. I mean, for the most part, I do. But that isn't the reason I don't want it to actually be the Pietro from those films. I just think that opening the door to other Marvel-related franchises outside the MCU (i.e. those done by other studios) is unnecessarily confusing and, honestly, kinda dumb. I think (and hope) that using that specific actor was just a nice little nod to the fans, and perhaps a way of messing with us a bit to ramp up rabid speculation about what it could mean. I guess we'll see soon enough. (although I am kinda starting to think that perhaps there will not be a big reveal or explanation in this series. At the end of it, I am starting to think that we may be left with more questions than answers, and that we won't even know for certain whether this is truly all Wanda or someone else manipulating her, and that not really being explained/resolved/fully-revealed until Dr. Strange.
Yeah, I'm feeling that as well. I can totally see this show building up to a big finish, only to have that big finish being an even bigger wtf moment to keep us hanging for a year.
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I like the possible implications of new Pietro's presence more than the possibility that he really is the Pietro from the X-Men films. Mostly because I hate the X-Men films.
Agreed. But not because I hate the X-Men films. I mean, for the most part, I do. But that isn't the reason I don't want it to actually be the Pietro from those films. I just think that opening the door to other Marvel-related franchises outside the MCU (i.e. those done by other studios) is unnecessarily confusing and, honestly, kinda dumb. I think (and hope) that using that specific actor was just a nice little nod to the fans, and perhaps a way of messing with us a bit to ramp up rabid speculation about what it could mean. I guess we'll see soon enough. (although I am kinda starting to think that perhaps there will not be a big reveal or explanation in this series. At the end of it, I am starting to think that we may be left with more questions than answers, and that we won't even know for certain whether this is truly all Wanda or someone else manipulating her, and that not really being explained/resolved/fully-revealed until Dr. Strange.
Yeah, I'm feeling that as well. I can totally see this show building up to a big finish, only to have that big finish being an even bigger wtf moment to keep us hanging for a year.
That's all we need, a set of MCU blue balls.
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I like the possible implications of new Pietro's presence more than the possibility that he really is the Pietro from the X-Men films. Mostly because I hate the X-Men films.
Agreed. But not because I hate the X-Men films. I mean, for the most part, I do. But that isn't the reason I don't want it to actually be the Pietro from those films. I just think that opening the door to other Marvel-related franchises outside the MCU (i.e. those done by other studios) is unnecessarily confusing and, honestly, kinda dumb. I think (and hope) that using that specific actor was just a nice little nod to the fans, and perhaps a way of messing with us a bit to ramp up rabid speculation about what it could mean. I guess we'll see soon enough. (although I am kinda starting to think that perhaps there will not be a big reveal or explanation in this series. At the end of it, I am starting to think that we may be left with more questions than answers, and that we won't even know for certain whether this is truly all Wanda or someone else manipulating her, and that not really being explained/resolved/fully-revealed until Dr. Strange.
Yeah, I'm feeling that as well. I can totally see this show building up to a big finish, only to have that big finish being an even bigger wtf moment to keep us hanging for a year.
That's all we need, a set of MCU blue balls.
Hey its not like they're going to destroy half of the life in the universe then make us wait a year for a solution or anything....
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I usually don't like this guy's videos, but this one raised a couple of good points: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaDkZ2xUsw8&feature=push-fr&attr_tag=9OqO23-meWYh99EX%3A6
First one is about whatever is up between Monica and Captain Marvel. He posits that it is perhaps simply the fact that Danvers was off somewhere else in the galaxy and not on earth during the time when her mother would have gotten cancer and died, and that Monica is resentful about that. That fits the timeline and feels very "real world." I really like that possibility and find it satisfying. I guess I just like it because it doesn't feel at all contrived, and dovetails nicely with other things in-universe.
Second, I like how he asks the question about whether Pietro's appearance foreshadows actual canonization of the X-Men universe, or whether it is something entirely different, and then leans more toward the latter. I like that as well. I don't think it is necessarily any sort of attempt to bring the X-Men universe into the MCU by way of a multiverse or anything else. I think that is misdirection. And that actually leads me to think that the "multiverse" itself may be a huge misdirection and not actually be a thing, notwithstanding the title of the upcoming Dr. Strange movie.
Something else that is perhaps unintentional: One of the big questions is how much Wanda is doing...all of this. The series is leading the viewer, at least at this stage, to believe that Wanda is in control of the anomaly as a whole (even though there are clearly some things that are out of her control). But that is an open question. And we simultaneously see that there are things that are not under her control. When seeing a lot of the cuts and scenes this guy uses in his video right up against each other, it really emphasizes to me how little control she actual seems to have over all this, and really ups the ante for me on the theory that there is some other actor (actress?) behind the scenes manipulating everything.
What do you guys think?
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One somewhat interesting thing that was pointed out on another forum I frequent: we first met the X-Men Pietro/Peter in a movie set in the 80's, and the episode of WandaVision he appears in is an 80's sitcom. According to the MCU wiki, the MCU Pietro wasn't even born until 1989, so they're displaced in time as well as being in different universes.
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First one is about whatever is up between Monica and Captain Marvel. He posits that it is perhaps simply the fact that Danvers was off somewhere else in the galaxy and not on earth during the time when her mother would have gotten cancer and died, and that Monica is resentful about that. That fits the timeline and feels very "real world." I really like that possibility and find it satisfying. I guess I just like it because it doesn't feel at all contrived, and dovetails nicely with other things in-universe.
Definitely feels like a possibility, and I agree I like it too.
Second, I like how he asks the question about whether Pietro's appearance foreshadows actual canonization of the X-Men universe, or whether it is something entirely different, and then leans more toward the latter. I like that as well. I don't think it is necessarily any sort of attempt to bring the X-Men universe into the MCU by way of a multiverse or anything else. I think that is misdirection. And that actually leads me to think that the "multiverse" itself may be a huge misdirection and not actually be a thing, notwithstanding the title of the upcoming Dr. Strange movie.
Hard to guess where they're going with it right now. It's possible that all the multiverse stuff is a redirection, but I'm not convinced. We know about branching universes from Endgame, and we're getting a Loki series that presumably follows the version of him that escaped during Endgame as the one in the official universe/timeline/whatever is dead.
However, even if the multiverse is really a thing, it doesn't mean it's going to now become a major feature of the MCU with lots of hopping between universes, like the DC Arrowverse TV shows did. This version of Pietro doesn't need to signal that the X-Men we've seen will be "brought into" the MCU in full, but could be a sort of recognition that those things did happen in a different universe (so, canonised but not part of the main timeline, sort of thing).
Something else that is perhaps unintentional: One of the big questions is how much Wanda is doing...all of this. The series is leading the viewer, at least at this stage, to believe that Wanda is in control of the anomaly as a whole (even though there are clearly some things that are out of her control). But that is an open question. And we simultaneously see that there are things that are not under her control. When seeing a lot of the cuts and scenes this guy uses in his video right up against each other, it really emphasizes to me how little control she actual seems to have over all this, and really ups the ante for me on the theory that there is some other actor (actress?) behind the scenes manipulating everything.
I definitely think there's a villain pulling strings in some way. The reveal that Wanda is controlling it came at the end of episode 3 out of 9. I can't imagine there aren't lot of twists still to come, and we've already seen things happening that she's not controlling. It could be that someone/something else is really in control, or could be more that she is in control but is being manipulated in some way to keep WestView as it is, for whatever nefarious reason.
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It could be that someone/something else is really in control, or could be more that she is in control but is being manipulated in some way to keep WestView as it is, for whatever nefarious reason.
It's Lord Nefaryous.
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It could be that someone/something else is really in control, or could be more that she is in control but is being manipulated in some way to keep WestView as it is, for whatever nefarious reason.
It's Lord Nefaryous.
Not Boskaryus?
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It could be that someone/something else is really in control, or could be more that she is in control but is being manipulated in some way to keep WestView as it is, for whatever nefarious reason.
It's Lord Nefaryous.
Not Boskaryus?
Secret identity.
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Another solid episode, not nearly as good as the last but still quite excellent. A ton to unpack again, with some intriguing long term impact events. I'll wait for y'all to catch up.
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Another solid episode, not nearly as good as the last but still quite excellent. A ton to unpack again, with some intriguing long term impact events. I'll wait for y'all to catch up.
I thought it was amazing. Obviously didn't have a huge surprise moment like the last one, but I honestly thought the writing was just as good if not better.
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Another solid episode, not nearly as good as the last but still quite excellent. A ton to unpack again, with some intriguing long term impact events. I'll wait for y'all to catch up.
I thought it was amazing. Obviously didn't have a huge surprise moment like the last one, but I honestly thought the writing was just as good if not better.
For me the last episodes greatness wasn't about the surprise ending, but the 15 minutes that preceded it. It was perfect in my eyes. Definitely need to watch ep6 again on a proper TV, watching it on my phone doesn't do it justice
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Yeah I don't want big surprises every episode, and this new one delivered. But I now have more questions than before. I guess will have to wait until the season finale to find out what the whole shebang is.
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More good stuff. Loving it very much.
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It's like the more we learn, the more we don't know.
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It's like the more we learn, the more we don't know.
Precisely. Seems clear that Pietro isn’t Pietro. Im also confused a little with Agnes now. Jingle.son had some intriguing theories on a couple of thoughts - not sure if they are his own, or internet rumours.
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I've read some Internet rumours about Agnes based partly on her behaviour last week, but then this week Herb behaved the same way. Possibly some red herrings here and there.
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Looks like my kid's prediction of Monica becoming her comic counterpart (Photon or Spectrum based on which line they use, her words, not mine. She out geeks me at every turn except Star Trek lol)will come to fruition based on the line from Darcy of "your cellular structure is changing on a molecular level"
They're really using this series to open up the floodgates on Phase 4. God I fucking love this shit.
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Jingle.son’s theories (possible spoilers??)
The molecular change for all town inhabitants will be way the MCU introduces mutants.
Head SWORD guy is trying to get Vision’s parts cuz he wants to make Wonder Man
Monica’s contact is Reed Richards.
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Jingle.son’s theories (possible spoilers??)
The molecular change for all town inhabitants will be way the MCU introduces mutants.
Head SWORD guy is trying to get Vision’s parts cuz he wants to make Wonder Man
Monica’s contact is Reed Richards.
I heard the last one as well, and totally see it happening. The first one is a bit too far out for me though.
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Last week, Director Asshole was asking if Wanda had some kind of nickname, and she does not. I read elsewhere that she's never been referred to as Scarlet Witch within the MCU (so far). Many folks refer to her as that online, but on screen, she's always just Wanda Maximoff. I hadn't realized that.
I'm pretty sure that her choice of Halloween costume, the very next episode, was not a coincidence.
(https://i.imgur.com/tGsKAyp.jpg)
Also, that costume was quite flattering. Vision's, however...
(https://i.imgur.com/f4gHHoa.jpg)
I did love that the Mind Stone was included.
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Director Asshole will probably be the one to start calling her Scarlett Witch. I will say though that when he asked about her having a nickname, it came off very clunky. It could have been better foreshadowing dialogue.
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I do remember that being a bit clunky. One of the few minor missteps I've noticed, really.
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I do remember that being a bit clunky. One of the few minor missteps I've noticed, really.
There's been some pretty bad expository dialogue on the show, but I guess it's unavoidable.
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Director Asshole will probably be the one to start calling her Scarlett Witch. I will say though that when he asked about her having a nickname, it came off very clunky. It could have been better foreshadowing dialogue.
I didn't find it clunky at all, I saw it as him trying to dehumanise her by using a nickname instead of her actual name.
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That part I got. But the scene itself seemed to go on a line or two longer than necessary, with everybody agreeing that No, we've never heard of any nickname for her. No. No, she's just Wanda. No nickname. So... no. I'm exaggerating of course; it wasn't that bad, but it wasn't super smooth, either.
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That part I got. But the scene itself seemed to go on a line or two longer than necessary, with everybody agreeing that No, we've never heard of any nickname for her. No. No, she's just Wanda. No nickname. So... no. I'm exaggerating of course; it wasn't that bad, but it wasn't super smooth, either.
I agree with ariich. I thought it was perfect. If you've ever dealt with someone who is belaboring the point, and won't back off...that's EXACTLY how it goes down. That's why they become annoying, because you've already answered their question, but they won't back off, so they drag it out.
The extra line or two (IMO) just gave him that added level of assholery. Asking and not accepting the original answer made him an "asshole"....taking it an extra line more elevated him to "condescending asshole"
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Hmm yeah good point JD. It was a bit awkward but that was also the point.
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Okay, I can see that.
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I read an interesting idea, the dome could contain a parrallel universe, could it be the x-men one, hence explaining why there is the other quicksilver, and maybe others.
For the brainwashing part tho, I'm not sure it's a volontary move from wanda.
The mistery is still very thick even with only 3 an hour episodes remaining !
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So, the last 3 episodes are apparently going to each be an hour long.
I've read some Internet rumours about Agnes based partly on her behaviour last week, but then this week Herb behaved the same way. Possibly some red herrings here and there.
Scarlet herrings?
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This episode was so good.
And I must say, Ms. Olsen looked quite fetching in her Halloween outfit.
I loved that they described Vision's Halloween outfit as that of a Mexican wrestler. Nice.
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Yep, and Wanda's was that of a Sokovian fortune teller. Wanda's mother (the original Scarlett Witch) was also a Sokovian fortune teller.
Of course, both costumes are actually pretty straight from the comics, as was Pietro's (Quicksilver) and the boys (Speed and Wiccan). I took it as a semi-humorous take on how funny the costumes look if just taken straight from the comic books, and why they more-or-less have to change them for different media.
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This is annoying. I watch the episode Friday, have a lot to say about it but don't because it's too early to discuss spoilers. Then I spend the weekend largely away from social media and DTF and by the time I'm back, everything's been discussed. Ah well.
Great episode. I really love the nonchalant horror elements that are being infused, especially through Pietro. The kids are pretty interesting too. Very excited for next episode.
Speaking of, did anyone see the 2nd promo for the next episode? There seems to be a HUGE potential cameo in there but I don't see anyone talking about it so maybe I'm just seeing something that isn't there. turns out I was duped by a fake promo.
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Haven't seen it.
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Haven't seen it.
Nevermind. Noticed who it was that posted it and it's fake.
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Great episode, but I hope mockumentaries die a horrible death. Such a stupid gimmick.
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I'm really curious to see what the 2010s style is, presumably next week. What's the defining comedy style from last decade?
And yeah the way this show has been building from episode to episode is amazing.
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I'm really curious to see what the 2010s style is, presumably next week. What's the defining comedy style from last decade?
And yeah the way this show has been building from episode to episode is amazing.
I honestly assumed this was the 2010s? Plus it looks like we might be done with a different sitcom every week. Given you know...the developments.
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I'm really curious to see what the 2010s style is, presumably next week. What's the defining comedy style from last decade?
And yeah the way this show has been building from episode to episode is amazing.
I honestly assumed this was the 2010s? Plus it looks like we might be done with a different sitcom every week. Given you know...the developments.
I assumed last week was 1990s and this week was 2000s. I mean, that was the decade of the mockumentary.
Fair point that we may not having the sitcom broadcast anymore.
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Yeah, the Modern Family replica would be late 2000s/2010s. I think we're done with the sitcoms. jingle.son rumoured me that we get a flashback style episode next week.
Good episode. Excellent payoff. Disappointed that it wasn't an hour-ish... I thought that was the expectation??
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Fantastic episode. Again. Loved Monica's purposeful pose when she came through the hex, it's always the details that pay off for Marvel, and they do them so well. I have no clue what the big surprise ending means, so off to Google I go.
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Oh, and also:
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I want to know who the kid was on the back of the milk carton. Tried to pause it to look but couldn't get a good peek at it.
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Yeah I thought that might be significant, too, but couldn't get a good look. I mean, everything in this whole show is like one big Easter Egg. Everything references something.
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I want to know who the kid was on the back of the milk carton. Tried to pause it to look but couldn't get a good peek at it.
Conveniently, her hand was covering any of the information.
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The MCU’s always been about science and alien tech. Not liking this new twist at all.
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It seems that Dr. Strange brought "magic" into the MCU. I refrained from calling it that at first, because it somehow didn't seem right. He was working with primal forces, arcane knowledge, all kinds of things that we have other words for, but at some point it was clearly "magic" and that's what people call it online, so magic it is. And how that differs from the type of magic that witches and warlocks use, I'm not sure. Maybe it doesn't. Dr. Strange is The Sorceror Supreme, and he uses magic.
The thing about the twist is that it, like a lot of other stuff in this show, was already spoiled for me. Well, not really spoiled, since it was always presented as speculation, but in reading reviews and discussing episodes, people have been speculating a lot, and a lot of it has turned out to be true. People in this thread were calling Geraldine Monica before I had any idea who Monica was. That wasn't really a spoiler, just something I "accidentally" found out an episode or two before it was properly revealed to the audience. But this twist was kinda spoiled in the same way. I suspect a scene towards the end of last episode was meant to throw us off that path, and it worked for me. Then this. Oh well. The music was kinda fun.
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He’s the Master of the Mystic Arts.
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Did you guys watch the post-credit scene? If not, go and watch it!
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It seems that Dr. Strange brought "magic" into the MCU. I refrained from calling it that at first, because it somehow didn't seem right. He was working with primal forces, arcane knowledge, all kinds of things that we have other words for, but at some point it was clearly "magic" and that's what people call it online, so magic it is. And how that differs from the type of magic that witches and warlocks use, I'm not sure. Maybe it doesn't. Dr. Strange is The Sorceror Supreme, and he uses magic.
The thing about the twist is that it, like a lot of other stuff in this show, was already spoiled for me. Well, not really spoiled, since it was always presented as speculation, but in reading reviews and discussing episodes, people have been speculating a lot, and a lot of it has turned out to be true. People in this thread were calling Geraldine Monica before I had any idea who Monica was. That wasn't really a spoiler, just something I "accidentally" found out an episode or two before it was properly revealed to the audience. But this twist was kinda spoiled in the same way. I suspect a scene towards the end of last episode was meant to throw us off that path, and it worked for me. Then this. Oh well. The music was kinda fun.
Ever since Dr Strange, I’ve always just viewed in the vein of that famous quote, “‘Magic’ is just science we don’t understand yet.”
There is some truth to that. For instance, even radio would be considered witchcraft in the dark ages.
But it admittedly toes the line of some ideas I try to steer clear of.
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I dunno, magic and mysticism has been in the MCU since phase 1 in the first Thor film. They've always leant in a sci-fi direction with it but it's been there, and it might well be the same here by having parallel universes instead of different "dimensions", etc.
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“‘Magic’ is just science we don’t understand yet.”
I've always loved that quote, and I agree that it applies here. I mean, hey, we've got people from other planets with abilities we don't understand, people from this planet with abilities we don't understand, all kinds of stuff. It's the realm of comic book superheroes. What is magic but science we don't yet understand?
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That’s with the caveat that actual spiritism is something I absolutely do not want in my life. We’d have to go to the P/R thread to take it much further...but it’s a fine line between “mysticism that is actually science we don’t understand yet” and actual “spiritism” which I believe is dangerous.
It’s a fine line, but I just follow my gut on that one. If something inside is throwing up a red flag, I steer clear.
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The magic used by Dr. Strange is clearly magic, sorcery, thaumaturgy, or whatever euphemism you'd like to give it. Not technology.
That episode was awesome. I loved that Agnes got her own theme song/intro.
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This was a big episode. They've done a great job filling in this character's back story. Looking forward to seeing what the next two episodes give us.
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This was a big episode. They've done a great job filling in this character's back story. Looking forward to seeing what the next two episodes give us.
I think there's only one more.
But yes, another outstanding episode.
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Holy shit what an episode! that was almost like half a proper Marvel movie. Longest episode so far. I wonder how long the finale will be.
And that mid-credit scene!
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Agreed. And this is super intense. Frustrating to me that they have to wander deeper into the magic territory that I’m not really on board with. We’re starting to get into Buffy the Vampire Slayer territory. Blech!
But it was an extremely well written episode with a really good set up. And it makes for more palatable origin for her superhero name which would otherwise come across as really cheesy
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Agreed. And this is super intense. Frustrating to me that they have to wander deeper into the magic territory that I’m not really on board with. We’re starting to get into Buffy the Vampire Slayer territory. Blech!
But it was an extremely well written episode with a really good set up. And it makes for more palatable origin for her superhero name which would otherwise come across as really cheesy
What's wrong with magic? And Buffy was a great show. Season 6 (which ironically dealt the most with magic) was mostly shit, but otherwise a great show.
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Agreed. And this is super intense. Frustrating to me that they have to wander deeper into the magic territory that I’m not really on board with. We’re starting to get into Buffy the Vampire Slayer territory. Blech!
But it was an extremely well written episode with a really good set up. And it makes for more palatable origin for her superhero name which would otherwise come across as really cheesy
What's wrong with magic? And Buffy was a great show. Season 6 (which ironically dealt the most with magic) was mostly shit, but otherwise a great show.
I stated earlier in this thread that we’re in P/R territory if go deeper, but suffice to say that it toes the line of what I’m comfortable with.
To me...Dr Strange kinda sorta made it seem like alternate dimension-y kinda pseudoscience-y things we don’t understand-ish. And even that movie was a “gray area” for me. But now they’ve thrown off all the guessing work and just delved into magic and that’s just something I mostly steer clear of.
I can’t always explain where my comfort zone is. Sometimes I just let my gut tell me if I’m comfortable with where the line is or not.
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I know what you're implying, but I still don't understand. It's fantasy. Why is it so hard to seperate?
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It all depends on your outlook. If you don’t believe in the spirit realm, then of course it’s just harmless fantasy to you.
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It all depends on your outlook. If you don’t believe in the spirit realm, then of course it’s just harmless fantasy to you.
I believe in spirit worlds, and this TV show is harmless fantasy for me.
Anywhoo... excellent episode. I'm curious to know if Agatha is trying to help Wanda, or manipulate her.
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It all depends on your outlook. If you don’t believe in the spirit realm, then of course it’s just harmless fantasy to you.
I believe in spirit worlds, and this TV show is harmless fantasy for me.
Anywhoo... excellent episode. I'm curious to know if Agatha is trying to help Wanda, or manipulate her.
And what sides in next week's final battle episode will the other powered peeps, Monica and White Vision take in this. I mean, we're building to a battle royale here.
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I like how we're still not quite sure what Agatha's angle is. She kept asking Wanda "How did you do it?" and Wanda kept saying she didn't, or that she didn't know how. Well, apparently she did it (if the flashback from Wanda's perspective can be believed) but it's also true that she doesn't know how she did it, so it's not like she can explain it to Agnes. But obviously Agatha's a pretty badass witch in her own right, so Wanda has to be careful. That opening scene was great.
Director Hayward is still an asshole. When Wanda first showed up at SWORD, I was almost kinda siding with him. If his organization is in charge of finding out everything they can about sentient weapons, then he's not just authorized to do it, but obligated. Seeing it as serving the greater good and all that. I could even see his point about not taking millions of dollars worth of vibranium just to go bury it somewhere. Since he did not regard Vision as a "person" (for lack of a better term, despite recognizing that Vision is/was sentient), it was an easier decision to make. Sometimes the bad guy isn't "bad"; he just has a different view of things, just as valid. But I kept waiting for the misunderstanding and eventual argument to happen, ending with Wanda getting pissed and just taking Vision's remains with her, and causing a bit of destruction on the way out of there. It would explain why Hayward's been so against Wanda in the first place, how she's dangerous, must be stopped, etc. He doesn't have to be such an asshole about it, but his position would be a lot more valid. But again, if Wanda's version of what happened is credible, and what that final scene seems to imply, she did not do that. She didn't take Visions remains with her. So Hayward faked the footage?
More answers, but still more questions. I like how the show itself keeps evolving. This episode was again very different in tone and presentation from the last three. If this were a story told via feature-length movie, we might spend the first 1/3 in sitcom-land, the next third finally finding out what the heck's going on, and the big conflict and resolution in the final act. I suppose that with nine episodes, that how we ended up with the first three episodes almost entirely in sitcom-land, with just the occassional hints that there's more than meets the eye (although we knew that anyway). Ever since Episode 4, I've been fully on board, and it's been a hell of a ride. I expect the final episode to blow me away.
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Kinda crazy how there's only one episode left. With all the lingering questions, it's gonna have to be a hell of a finale.
But with Falcon and the Winter Soldier right behind, then Loki behind that, maybe some of the questions will be left for those shows to answer. Some might be right now issues, and some might just be setting the stage for the long game with Dr. Strange 2 being the big finale or something. They could really fuck around with our heads over the next few years, and with how skillfully and consistently they put out material, we all will happily let them.
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Yeah, I don't think our Disney+ subscription is in any danger. Between everything Marvel and Star Wars have been doing lately, plus Pixar and of course legacy Disney stuff, it's probably the channel we watch the most.
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Yeah, I don't think our Disney+ subscription is in any danger. Between everything Marvel and Star Wars have been doing lately, plus Pixar and of course legacy Disney stuff, it's probably the channel we watch the most.
Plus it's really nice to have pretty much the whole of the MCU on call in case you ever get an itch for a certain movie or scene.
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Yeah, I don't think our Disney+ subscription is in any danger. Between everything Marvel and Star Wars have been doing lately, plus Pixar and of course legacy Disney stuff, it's probably the channel we watch the most.
Plus it's really nice to have pretty much the whole of the MCU on call in case you ever get an itch for a certain movie or scene.
That's exactly why I got Disney+. And the Mandalorian, but mostly for the MCU.
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Dammit I keep forgetting to talk about the show by the time I'm back online.
I really liked the episode, though I kind of wish it was the 3rd to last episode. It gave so much depth to Wanda and Vision and just had some of the most beautiful human moments thus far. Seeing the deed to the land was just soul crushing, as was seeing her and her family. Also White Vision at the end was dope.
Super pumped for the last episode. Though from comments from the director, Paul Bettany's statement about the huge cameo may be a bit of a red herring. So I won't expect any huge cameos in the last episode. I hope people don't get too disappointed in it if there's no giant mind blowing cameo. Honestly, they did such a good job just handling these characters that all I want is a good resolution to their story. Or at least enough of one to move Wanda and Vision into their next phase while giving this specific arc a conclusion.
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Okay, I have to be honest, I've seen every MCU movie at least once, some more than that, am I'm vaguely aware that Wanda and Vision had a thing during the movies, but I didn't pay a lot of attention to it. I think I gained about 500% more appreciation for their story just with this episode. And that's on top of the 200% or more that I was already counting from watching this series, and I thought 200% was a lot (and it is).
But... DAMN!! This episode was amazing. "What is grief, if not love perservering?"
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Okay, I have to be honest, I've seen every MCU movie at least once, some more than that, am I'm vaguely aware that Wanda and Vision had a thing during the movies, but I didn't pay a lot of attention to it. I think I gained about 500% more appreciation for their story just with this episode. And that's on top of the 200% or more that I was already counting from watching this series, and I thought 200% was a lot (and it is).
But... DAMN!! This episode was amazing. "What is grief, if not love perservering?"
You're not wrong. The movies just had SO many things to do that their romance kind of happened off camera. You see them bonding and sharing sweet moments/struggles in Civil War and then they're just kind of already madly in love in Infinity War.
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Yeah, that's what I mean. That scene of them bonding over old sitcoms, after we've seen and now totally understand what they mean to Wanda, gave us so much. She literally taught him to laugh.
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But... DAMN!! This episode was amazing. "What is grief, if not love perservering?"
I loved that line so much.
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But... DAMN!! This episode was amazing. "What is grief, if not love perservering?"
I loved that line so much.
Yep, so perfectly worded.
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When he said that, I just went "Fuhhhhh... " and had to pause for a minute. My wife looked at me, and I just said "That was amazing." Then I un-paused (which means I did my usual thing of backing up a bit first, then hitting Play. That way you don't lose the "rhythm" of the scene despite pausing. Or something like that). So I got to hear the line again, and I think I teared up a little bit. Why do I care so much about a crazy woman and her love affair with a robot?
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That was the best original line of the MCU.
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That was the best original line of the MCU.
By about a million miles. Best line I've heard in film or TV in a while
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That was the best original line of the MCU.
By about a million miles. Best line I've heard in film or TV in a while
No kidding.
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Apparently that line is causing "controversy" online. I had no idea. I thought it was brilliant, but I guess everything's gonna offend somebody.
WandaVision Director Addresses Controversial Line About Grief (https://www.ign.com/articles/wandavision-director-addresses-controversial-line-about-grief)
A line about grief is dividing ‘WandaVision’ fans on social media (https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/wandavision-grief-line-memes/)
I can't even figure out what people are actually complaining about. But I didn't really try that hard.
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According to the article you posted....cinema snobs think the MCU is Nickelback. That's the only issue.
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Sounds to me like a bunch of people like to criticize anything related to the MCU.
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I kinda thought that that's all it was. I saw a headline earlier with the word "controversy" in it, then something else later in the day, and I wondered WTF people's problem could be. I thought it was halfway amusing at first, but upon reflection, it's really just sad.
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I kinda thought that that's all it was. I saw a headline earlier with the word "controversy" in it, then something else later in the day, and I wondered WTF people's problem could be. I thought it was halfway amusing at first, but upon reflection, it's really just sad stupid.
fix'd
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Any disappointment is no fault but our own.
LOVE THAT COSTUME
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The finale was great. I gotta say, between The Mandalorian and now Wandavison, I think I'd be ok with Star Wars and Marvel all being done as D+ series going forward. More time to tell the story and really flesh things out better than can be done in a 2.5 hour movie. Though I would miss seeing it on the big screen.
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Enjoyed the finale. Though they've left a setup for other things, I'm guessing it's going to be shown in more movies or other shows. Overall it was a fun show.
Also first time there are two after-episode credits. One mid-credit and another after all credits roll by, aka typical Marvel movie end credits.
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That whole season was amazing. Got a bit choked up at the end. Definitely among my absolute favourite things from the MCU.
Excited to see where things go next in the MCU and with the characters from this show.
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I think they nailed it. The fight scenes were a bit boring but they nailed everything else just so well.
It sucks if people were expecting other things.
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Fucking brilliant. And man, that ending... :'(
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Yup... quite a satisfying "conclusion". Just enough left open ended, while tying up the primary loose ends.
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Was quite moved by it. Really good.
It's ridiculous but it's been so great to have the MCU back in our lives. I've really missed going to check out the latest Marvel movie at the flicks. Looking forward to TFAWS and Loki.
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I think they nailed it. The fight scenes were a bit boring but they nailed everything else just so well.
It sucks if people were expecting other things.
Yep. It was a really good little series. Who knows 'where' the story goes from here. Obviously as others have mentioned they wrapped up the main points of this season while keeping the whistle wet with some interesting open ended opportunities. Will those opportunities take place in other MCU films/TV series? Who knows? Honestly, between The Mandalorian and this show.....Disney has really been on point so there's no real reason to doubt whatever the direction or plan is.
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Brutally sad ending, but what a show. Kudos to Kathryn Hahn, she really showed me something in her performance. I knew she excelled at goofy, but she brought the serious here.
Also, love Wanda's new costume.
Nice to also see the Darkhold brought back. That played a major role in S04 of Agents of Shield. It was also in Runaways.
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I will say that I didn’t like how they handled Pietro. I get what they were doing but two multiverse fakeouts in a row is just kind of mean.
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:lol
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I really enjoyed the season overall though it definitely declined for me in the last few episodes once the mystery was resolved, the 'twists' were over and the last episode was pretty much entirely action scenes and the story unfortunately took the backseat.
It's important to judge the show on what it does rather than weird expectations or fan theories you put on the show yourself, but it's hard to not think about missed potential. The Quicksilver appearance for example could have played out in many satisfying ways yet they went for possibly the lamest explanation/reasoning which just felt really lackluster.
Good season overall but yeah last 2 episodes for me were the weakest. Still good, just hoped for more I suppose.
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I think I was as well...but I guess we can't let them drop the Fantastic 4 and Xmen all in one boot, though I wish they'd have left some loose ends to play with in the coming products. I highly doubt they have shit planned out that in detail, more a general map I'd gather, which would allow for some wiggle room for the individual screenwriters. Having those unresolved details could come into play later.
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Spoilers, even though it seems we've all watched.
Where’d White Vision go? Off to have an existential crisis (literally!)?? TBD I guess
I love how they showed Wanda actually "more powerful than The Sorcerer Supreme” at the end, by being in control of both her physical and astral form at the same time. Was that the Darkhold she was studying? I guess I could go back and just watch that scene again.
I gather this won’t be the end of Agnes… She’ll show up again in the future to guide/mentor Wanda, just as in the comics. Since she doesn't have anything more than knowledge now, I have no doubt they'll pivot her character.
Speculation …. Nightmare snatched Tom's and Bill’s souls as they fell asleep, before the Hex collapsed.
Seems they did just enough to setup for Secret Invasion, Cap Marvel 2, and Dr. Strange 2
Is she living on the other side of the lake from Pepper? :lol
Oh, and yeah... the costume is fantastic.
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So... Agatha was "permanently" turned into Agnes and confined to live in Westview. Then Wanda allowed the Hex to collapse, freeing all the residents of Westview. They all got their minds back. Does that include Agnes? Or was the Agatha/Agnes confining spell a completely separate thing? I suppose it is. Either that or we're just not supposed to think about it.
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I thought White vision and Vision merged.
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So... Agatha was "permanently" turned into Agnes and confined to live in Westview. Then Wanda allowed the Hex to collapse, freeing all the residents of Westview. They all got their minds back. Does that include Agnes? Or was the Agatha/Agnes confining spell a completely separate thing? I suppose it is. Either that or we're just not supposed to think about it.
the way i saw that explained that made the most sense to me goes back to how Agatha explained the Hex, that the magic Wanda used to create the hex tied Vision and the twins to it, and she had created it unintentionally. When she turns Agatha back into Agnes, she's consciously choosing to place Agatha under this spell separate from the power of the hex itself.
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I thought White vision and Vision merged.
White vision took off right after "regaining" his memories saying "I am vision". Assuming we will see him later.
There are rumors Wanda will be a future villain and White Vision will fight against her (that's just a rumor thought).
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So... Agatha was "permanently" turned into Agnes and confined to live in Westview. Then Wanda allowed the Hex to collapse, freeing all the residents of Westview. They all got their minds back. Does that include Agnes? Or was the Agatha/Agnes confining spell a completely separate thing? I suppose it is. Either that or we're just not supposed to think about it.
the way i saw that explained that made the most sense to me goes back to how Agatha explained the Hex, that the magic Wanda used to create the hex tied Vision and the twins to it, and she had created it unintentionally. When she turns Agatha back into Agnes, she's consciously choosing to place Agatha under this spell separate from the power of the hex itself.
Exactly... Wanda used the runes to prevent Agatha from using her magic, then did exactly as Agatha had done to others - stole her magic (at least, that was my interpretation). Then as the count said, placed a spell just on Agatha to revert her back to Agnes to live her days in Westview as "the nosy neighbour".
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I thought White vision and Vision merged.
White vision took off right after "regaining" his memories saying "I am vision". Assuming we will see him later.
There are rumors Wanda will be a future villain and White Vision will fight against her (that's just a rumor thought).
OK must've missed that.
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I thought White vision and Vision merged.
White vision took off right after "regaining" his memories saying "I am vision". Assuming we will see him later.
There are rumors Wanda will be a future villain and White Vision will fight against her (that's just a rumor thought).
OK must've missed that.
Yeah, he just bolted thru the roof of the library. I assumed he was going to help Wanda, but that was the end of him in the episode.
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This is the first and so far only Marvel TV show I've watched. I loved every second of it. I was hoping for a second season and more Agatha Harkness because I thought Kathryn Hahn absolutely nailed it in the role. The special effects in the finale were incredible. Watching the two Visions go at it with that Chaos Magic barrier looked EXACTLY like they ripped it out of a comic book (and not being a comic reader I have no idea if that's what happened). Even Agatha and Wanda's magics looked super convincing, I loved that CGI.
I have no complaints. I liked Evan Peters as Ralph. I thought the fakeout was hilarious and worked well. Also having just gotten into American Horror Story in December (just started 1984 last week, can't wait for the 10th season when it drops), I just really appreciated his presence. He's a great actor even in a small part.
Also, SKRULLS!!! PHOTON! CAPTAIN MARVEL 2 MAYBE LET'S GOOO
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They wrapped up the story in a pretty satisfying way, and dropped some cool hints about things to come. That's pretty much what they needed to to, and they nailed it.
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They wrapped up the story in a pretty satisfying way, and dropped some cool hints about things to come. That's pretty much what they needed to to, and they nailed it.
This!
The disparity between my expectations going and my satisfaction upon conclusion is a mile-wide.
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As great as the finale was, I did notice that a couple of things sorta got dropped along the way, and some priorities apparently shifted. Some have pointed out that the FBI's missing person, which is what brought Agent Jimmy Woo to Westview in the first place, was never resolved. What I noticed was that Darcy practically disappeared. After her great entrance in Episode 4 and work with Jimmy and Monica in the next several episodes, and her important chat with Vision, we only saw her once briefly in the finale. It was a cool scene; she got to T-bone Hayward and yell something at him, but that was it.
But as some had suspected: ‘WandaVision’ Director Says Monica, Darcy & Jimmy Woo Had Bigger Roles In Finale But Scenes Were Cut (https://theplaylist.net/wandavision-finale-changes-20210308/). Bummer. It doesn't seem worthwhile to finish the scenes now, and it's not like they'll make a boxed set for this short TV series, so we'll probably never see the finished versions of these scenes.
And now, the Orbert Moment you were dreading (but knew was coming):
While digging around and reading up on WandaVision, I discovered that series creator Jac Schaeffer is female, and she's really pretty.
(https://i.imgur.com/QmUxFVD.jpg)
Odd pose, possibly as flattering as they were gonna get, but I was kinda blindsided by that picture from this article (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/08/arts/television/wandavision-creator-Jac-Schaeffer.html). The only person I know named Jac is the son of a friend of mine. After reading up on this series for weeks, I always assumed Jac Schaeffer was a guy.
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Yea. I think covid ended up changing some stuff in the finale that would have been better or more fleshed out if not for covid.
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As great as the finale was, I did notice that a couple of things sorta got dropped along the way, and some priorities apparently shifted. Some have pointed out that the FBI's missing person, which is what brought Agent Jimmy Woo to Westview in the first place, was never resolved.
Was there anything to resolve here? I thought it was clear that it was one of the Westview residents, all of whom were under the spell within the Hex.
I agree about some of the side characters not getting much screen time in the last couple of episodes but hopefully we'll see more of them later on within the MCU.
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I think it's just that people expected there to be a big reveal/payoff for whoever this person turned out to be, whereas it ended up just being a plot device to get the FBI to that location, which some felt was kinda lame/lazy writing.
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What they did with Quicksilver didn't work for me though and the fact they played it for a bad joke instead of doing something interesting with it felt like a missed opportunity. Image in the S2 finale of Mandalorian with the powerful Jedi appearing in his x-wing, cutting down all the enemies and then revealing himself to be.. Jar-Jar Binks. That's kinda how this felt. :/
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(https://i.imgur.com/kv56L3p.jpg)
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:lol
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:lol
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Glorious!
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(https://i.imgur.com/kv56L3p.jpg)
Exactly. :lol
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So with Falcon and the Winter Soldier (FatWS) coming up, should we make this a general MCU TV thread?
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I'd be okay with that, since the series will not really overlap. But at that point, I keep wondering if this thread should be merged with the main MCU (movies) thread, because of all the overlap in terms of story lines. I'm sure there are decent arguments either way.
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Yeah we already have an MCU thread to cover both movies and TV. The purpose of having specific threads for individual films/shows is so that people can avoid spoilers in the main thread. So I'm happy for a new thread to be created for Falcon.
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Fine Rich. Be that way. :P
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Yeah we already have an MCU thread to cover both movies and TV. The purpose of having specific threads for individual films/shows is so that people can avoid spoilers in the main thread. So I'm happy for a new thread to be created for Falcon.
One thread for Falcon
One thread for the Winter Soldier
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Yeah we already have an MCU thread to cover both movies and TV. The purpose of having specific threads for individual films/shows is so that people can avoid spoilers in the main thread. So I'm happy for a new thread to be created for Falcon.
One thread for Falcon
One thread for the Winter Soldier
Consider me on Team Winter Soldier.
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so that people can avoid spoilers in the main thread.
I hadn't thought about that. That's a good point, and I hate spoilers, so I'm now in favor.
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Looks like they dropped a making of WandaVision, it's an hour long doc. Too tired to check it out tonight.
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Looks like they dropped a making of WandaVision, it's an hour long doc. Too tired to check it out tonight.
I knew it was coming, but forgot until about 9pm last night. jingle.son and I are gonna tackle it this afternoon.
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My wife and I did a Marvel run leading up to Wandavision and we enjoyed it so much more than I thought we would. I remember 'liking' most of the movies, but watching everything in a row really cemented my appreciation for just how 'next-level' the MCU is in regards to movies and the overall story.
I'm as much of a cinefile as the next guy (The Deerhunter Ironman is not), but man, it was nice just to have a little fun for a couple of months - especially with everything that's been going on.
That all being said, Wandavision really stunned me. I had looooow expectations, but the show not only exceeded them by a country mile, it also managed to give us a healthy dose of an artistic vision (ahem) that we had yet to see previously. It was high-concept, but man oh man did it pay off.
Hats off to everyone involved, and I can't wait to see what's coming next.
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The behind the scenes was excellent. I'd even commented to jingle.son as it was starting how impressed I was with the theme songs for each sitcom, so I really enjoyed the segment on that.
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I loved the theme songs from the weekly shows. For every one of them, I was so busy finding stylistic and thematic links to classic themes that I never listened to the words. I did read a couple of things about the lyrics online, but never followed up. It's like every single thing about this show was a "detail". No filler. Nothing was done without some serious thought going into every aspect of it.
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Loved the behind the scenes as well, though I fell asleep halfway through last night (worked 13 hours). I'll do a re-watch tonight for sure.
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Watched the making of with my kiddo.
Glad you guys enjoyed it. ???
Different strokes for different folks I suppose. Loved the series.....I found the making of to be a snooze fest and pretty dull.
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It certainly wasn't as compelling as the Mandalorian 'behind-the-scenes' shows, but I thought it was insightful.
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I loved it.
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It certainly wasn't as compelling as the Mandalorian 'behind-the-scenes' shows, but I thought it was insightful.
True. But the Madalorian shows also were able to do a lot more simply by virtue of volume because there were more of them.
I'm a sucker for well-done behind-the-scenes stuff. I watched every moment of all the special features on the LOTR DVD's way back when, for example. And while I know that that it is less common for someone to spend that much time (I couldn't do it nowadays, but was at a station in my life when I could back when those came out), they clearly understood that there was a market for that sort of thing. Heck, that's why blooper reels started to catch on in the '80s--aside from the "funny" factor, fans love getting to peek behind the curtain and see how the sausage is made.
But as much as I love that sort of thing when it is well done, it is harder and harder at this stage of life to devote extensive time to it. It is hard to sit through all the Mandalorian stuff for me, even though it is fantastic. The WandaVision behind-the-scenes feature's conciseness worked in its favor in that regard. It was sufficiently in-depth to really make fans of the show appreciate the show even more, which is a win in and of itself. But it was also sufficiently short that I think more people watched it. My wife, for example, who generally does not care about such behind-the-scenes stuff, actually sat and watched it, and enjoyed it quite a bit. Plus, it also had going for it that it came out in a gap week while excitement for the show was still at a high, and we are all collectively jonesing for Falcon and Winter Soldier to start up this week.