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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: Progmetty on September 07, 2009, 04:03:33 PM
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You haven't lived until you've smoked an herb then layed down on the beach by sunset listening to Pigs (Three Different Ones), I do that almost annually heh
Animals all in all is one of the best albums ever imo, my favorite Pink Floyd album.
You get 3 votes, mine are Animals, The Wall & Wish You Were Here.
Not a big Dark Side of The Moon fan.
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Dark Side of the Moon is good. But I agree, Animals, Wish You Were Here and The Wall are their best. A lot of their other stuff is hit and miss for me though.
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Animals is their greatest album ever, no doubt. I also think The Final Cut gets a lot of shit just because its more Waters solo than anything...
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I also think The Final Cut gets a lot of shit just because its more Waters solo than anything...
Waters has been the dominant song writer for most of Pink Floyd's "masterpeice" kinda albums so I don't think that's the main reason it gets lots of shit, I think it's more due to the general understanding that The Final Cut consists of leftover music from The Wall.
I'm not sure what I think about that cause I've never really gotten into The Final Cut.
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I also think The Final Cut gets a lot of shit just because its more Waters solo than anything...
Waters has been the dominant song writer for most of Pink Floyd's "masterpeice" kinda albums so I don't think that's the main reason it gets lots of shit, I think it's more due to the general understanding that The Final Cut consists of leftover music from The Wall.
I'm not sure what I think about that cause I've never really gotten into The Final Cut.
If you're a fan of The Wall, then you'd probably be more likely to enjoy the music, since it came from the same writing sessions. Personally, I'm not a huge fan of The Wall (some parts are amazing, some are very subpar) but I think The Final Cut is great.
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I agree about The Wall, but I think the amazing pats of it totally over-shadows the subpar ones.
I'll give The Final Cut a closer listen soon.
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Final Cut is a very underrated album. I like it
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Wish You Were Here, Dark Side of the Moon, and Meddle for me.
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I've only listened to The Dark Side Of The Moon, The Wall, and Wish You Were Here.
My favourites so far being TDSOTM and WYWH.
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I've only listened to The Dark Side Of The Moon, The Wall, and Wish You Were Here.
My favourites so far being TDSOTM and WYWH.
Yeah. Honestly, I find The Wall terribly overrated. It's great, but not THAT great.
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I've only listened to The Dark Side Of The Moon, The Wall, and Wish You Were Here.
My favourites so far being TDSOTM and WYWH.
Yeah. Honestly, I find The Wall terribly overrated. It's great, but not THAT great.
Yeah, so it seems to be for sure.
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I chose the Dark Side of the Moon, The Final Cut, and Obscured by Clouds. The latter two are some of the most overlooked albums by any band. The Wall and Wish You were Here are highly over rated. I would rank the Division Bell over either of them.
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I chose the Dark Side of the Moon, The Final Cut, and Obscured by Clouds. The latter two are some of the most overlooked albums by any band. The Wall and Wish You were Here are highly over rated. I would rank the Division Bell over either of them.
That's why you fail.
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The Dark Side of The Moon
Wish You Were Here
Animals
The Wall is good, but I think it has too many 'skippable' songs ("Vera", "Bring the Boys Back Home" etc.)
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I will say again what I have said for years: Animals could have been their best album, had "Pigs (Three Different Ones)" been as strong as "Dogs" and "Sheep," which are two of their best songs ever. "Pigs" isn't a bad song at all; it is merely good.
It sounds boring, I know, but their three best, to me, are Dark Side of the Moon (best album EVER), The Wall and Wish You Were Here. Animals and The Division Bell would round out my top 5.
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Hard one, my favorite albums are Wish You Were Here, The Division Bell, A Momentary Lapse In Reason.
Animals never really did it for me, when I'm in the mood I'll put it on but more time than not I'll skip it for another PF song or album.
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Animals is my favorite Pink Floyd album and one of my favorite albums of all time. Dark side of the moon and Wish you were here are my close choices, but I voted for Atom heart mother instead of WYWH, because it's a hugely underrated album. The Wall is solid, although not one of my favorites, since there are too many fillers, but some of the songs are fantastic.
Also, I'm a huge fan of Piper at the gates of dawn. Syd Barret was a genius...
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I'm a poseur "fan" that's only heard WYWH, DSOTM, and The Wall. Of the three, WYWH beats out DSOTM by a bit. The Wall has some great moments, but overall I thought it was pretty eh.
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I voted WYWH, DSOT and The Wall.
I like The Wall the best :blush, but with DSOT not far behind. I have the DSOT cover as a 2 meter poster on my wall, so that kinda gives away that I love it alot.
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Dark Side of the Moon
Wish You Were Here
Animals
For me, these are the most consistent, balanced albums. Everyone knows that Waters started writing more and more of their stuff, but musically, in the studio, these were the last three to have all four of them actually contributing, and I think it shows.
The Wall is amazing, but there are too many parts that I skip now. There's good stuff after The Wall, but there's something missing from each release after The Wall, and I really think it was the balance. Floyd to me really needs Gilmour's guitars, Wright's keyboards, and Waters' songwriting.
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Animals, The Division Bell, Wish You Were Here, in that order.
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Animals all in all is one of the best albums ever imo, my favorite Pink Floyd album.
You get 3 votes, mine are Animals, The Wall & Wish You Were Here.
Not a big Dark Side of The Moon fan.
Exactly the same here.
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Dark Side of the Moon
Wish You Were Here
Animals
For me, these are the most consistent, balanced albums.
this.
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Wish you were here
Animals
The Division Bell
Not a big fan of the wall, it's on now to give it another try, but Wish you were here is my favourite album of all time, and Animals is easily in my top 10.
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Meddle, DSOTM, and WYWH. It was a tough decision between Meddle and The Wall though.
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Animals is my all-time number one, though I listen to the Les Claypool's Fearless Flying Frog Brigade version (Live Frogs Set 2) when I want to listen to this album...
WYWH and The Wall were my other picks...
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For someone who claims PF as one of their all-time favorite bands, I am woefully ignorant on their first few releases. I’ve given all of them a few listens, but everything pre-DSotM never appeal to me at all. There are a few exceptions – Saucerful of Secrets has some good tracks, and ‘Echoes’ is one of my favorite songs by anyone. But otherwise the material is weak, especially in light of how solid some band’s first albums can be.
I hate to say I am glad Syd tripped out because that would be crass, but if he hadn’t, PF would have just been another footnote in the late-60’s psychedelic music scene along with the Strawberry Alarm Clocks of the world.
Regarding the poll, I feel DSotM-WYWH-A-TW are the best 4-album stretch any band has ever crafted, and Floyd’s reputation is secure on those alone. I’d put Animals and The Wall, (since it was my first real PF album and holds special significance to me) at top, then WYWH, then DSotM.
I tried to get in to The Final Cut, but just never could.
I would really give A Momentary Lapse of Reason high marks if it didn’t sound so horrible to me. I think Delicate Sound of Thunder shows it does have some good songs though.
The Division Bell has my favorite Floyd song (‘High Hopes’) but is otherwise forgettable.
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Yeah, PF is one of the few examples of bands whose first albums are total crap (at least compared to their latter efforts). Most bands (at least most of the ones I listen to) are the opposite.
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The live version of "Sorrow" from Delicate Sound of Thunder is approximately 204 times better than the studio version from A Momentary Lapse of Reason. The way Gilmour slides his hand down the fret board during the intro is so badass. And the live version revisits the intro at the end, unlike the studio version.
And this will stun some, but I also think the live versions of "One of These Days," from both Delicate Sound of Thunder and the Pulse DVD, destroy the studio original. I have never been overly wild about the studio version. The guitar tone is too heavy and distorted.
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Is that version of Sorrow different from the one on Pulse?
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The live version of "Sorrow" from Delicate Sound of Thunder is approximately 204 times better than the studio version from A Momentary Lapse of Reason. The way Gilmour slides his hand down the fret board during the intro is so badass. And the live version revisits the intro at the end, unlike the studio version.
I completely concur with you. Sorrow is one of my favorite Floyd tracks and it takes on a whole new life on DSoT. Great version...
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masterthes, the arrangement is the same, but I don't think you don't hear his fingers scraping across the fret board in the intro or outro on the Pulse version, which is what I think makes the DSOT version stand out so much.
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And this will stun some, but I also think the live versions of "One of These Days," from both Delicate Sound of Thunder and the Pulse DVD, destroy the studio original. I have never been overly wild about the studio version. The guitar tone is too heavy and distorted.
I guess I can understand that, but many of us grew up with the studio version; there was no live version for many years, and that "too heavy and distorted" sound is what totally made the sound. Hell yes, it's heavy and distorted. It's also the first time anyone ever thought to play a steel guitar like that, too.
And somehow I think we've had this conversation before. I was just gonna ask if you heard the live version first, and suddenly remembered that you'd already answered Yes to that question. Or maybe it was someone else who also prefers the live version and heard it first.
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I was just gonna ask if you heard the live version first, and suddenly remembered that you'd already answered Yes to that question. Or maybe it was someone else who also prefers the live version and heard it first.
My first Floyd CD was DSoT (wonder how many PF fans that applies to!), so that skewed my preferences toward all the good MLoR material, along with ‘One of These Days’ and ‘Comfortably Numb’ and ‘Run Like Hell.’ (When I first heard ‘Run Like Hell’ on The Wall, I wondered were all the intro guitar sounds that I thought were so cool went!
I can’t think of another band where my major introduction to them was a live album.
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Yeah, PF is one of the few examples of bands whose first albums are total crap (at least compared to their latter efforts). Most bands (at least most of the ones I listen to) are the opposite.
I agree as well, it's just not my style. I understand why it was big during the time, just like early beatles were big but like early beatles I can't get into early Floyd, there are some gems though.
Off topic, who is the name of the girl in your avatar?
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Ha ha, I was wondering the same thing. She's hot.
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And this will stun some, but I also think the live versions of "One of These Days," from both Delicate Sound of Thunder and the Pulse DVD, destroy the studio original. I have never been overly wild about the studio version. The guitar tone is too heavy and distorted.
I guess I can understand that, but many of us grew up with the studio version; there was no live version for many years, and that "too heavy and distorted" sound is what totally made the sound. Hell yes, it's heavy and distorted. It's also the first time anyone ever thought to play a steel guitar like that, too.
And somehow I think we've had this conversation before. I was just gonna ask if you heard the live version first, and suddenly remembered that you'd already answered Yes to that question. Or maybe it was someone else who also prefers the live version and heard it first.
Yes, I did hear the live version first. Hearing the studio version was a bit of letdown after that, and I have just never completely warmed up to it.
And to those saying you think The Wall has a lot of throwaways songs, watch the movie. Every song will take on major importance once you see the movie.
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I tried to watch the movie and got bored out of my mind during the first 15 minutes or so, I couldn't go on.
But I went to the Pink Floyd laser spectacular show last year -www.laserspectacular.com/- and the wall movie parts they included for Happiest Days of Ours Lives and ABITW Pt.2 was amazing.
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I voted WYWH, Animals and The Wall. I was introduced to PF thru DSOTM, which blew me away, but I think it got overexposed (to me, anyway).
The Wall: hated the movie, but I love the music, even all the bits that people might consider "throwaway".
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I skip a lot of The Wall, but I would never call those bits throwaways. I'm quite familiar with the story (wrote a paper on it in AP English -- got an A) so I know how it all fits. I just don't care to hear it all anymore. The parts where he's sitting there watching TV and spacing out. The Trial sometimes. "Don't Leave Me Now". Lots of good music on The Wall, and lots of stuff I just skip now. But I used to play it all the way through, every time, as a rule.
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The Wall: hated the movie, but I love the music, even all the bits that people might consider "throwaway".
This!
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I love The Wall. I just got the original vinyl of it and my dad's record player :D.
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I'm gonna go against the tendence a bit here, and voted Soundtrack to the film More, Ummagumma and Meddle. I love almost all of their discography, my favorites outside those 3 are Animals, The Wall and DSOTM, but those earlier albums really touch something inside. It's brilliant experimentation, and great use of the studio as a musical instrument itself.
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For me it's Animals, WYWH and TDSOTM, in that order. Animals is one of the best things ever written.
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It's unbelievable to me that Piper at the gates of dawn has no votes so far. :tdwn
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What's stopping you?
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I remember ditching class in my freshman year one day, went to a buddies house and did some serious smokin.... he threw on DSOTM, I had never heard it before, and when the alarms went off I about shit myself... :rollin
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In order:
The Wall (to me deserves every bit of its hype and legendary status)
Dark Side of the Moon (laser light shows ftw)
A Momentary Lapse of Reason (which has individual songs I like more than anything on DSotM, but as an overall album DSotM is better)
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Dark Side of the Moon
Wish you were Here
The Wall
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Listening to Animals for the first time in months, boy I love that album, it just never gets old for me.
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Listening to Animals for the first time in months, boy I love that album, it just never gets old for me.
Yep.
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Animals and Wish You Were Here are definitely my favorite Pink Floyd albums.
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Someone should do a PF survivor. :)
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I was just thinking about this. I'd be willing to run it again if we have enough interest.
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I would participate. It would motivate me really get to know more of their albums I hardly listen to.
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I have recent appreciation for Meddle. It's so nice and mellow. Really makes me feel happy and content. One of my friends had only heard DSOTM when it comes to PF, so I let him borrow Meddle and Animals last week. I'll see what he has to say when I hang out with him again this weekend.
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Meddle's a great album. Has one of their best opening songs too.
I actually like it a lot more than Animals. The songs in Animals tend to wander a bit too much at times.
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I went with Meddle, Darkside and Wish You Were Here though tbh i love everything from Meddle onwards a lot. I havn't fully got into some of the earlier stuff yet but it's growing on me!
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Alright. I guess I'll set up the survivor after I'm done subbing for emindead in the Offspring survivor. Should be about 2 weeks.
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Fearless is probably my favorite song on Meddle, although everything else is just as good, Fearless just puts me in a different plane.
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The 73-77 albums. They were unstoppable musically.
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Yeah, bring on a PF survivor. I would participate.
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I'd participate as well, it's gonna be fun. :biggrin:
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I actually like it a lot more than Animals. The songs in Animals tend to wander a bit too much at times.
Blasphemy! Animals is an example of perfect songwritting.
To me, at least. :)
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Yep, Animals is one of the best albums ever created, not a dull moment on it.
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Yep, Animals is one of the best albums ever created, not a dull moment on it.
I find "Pigs" to be quite of a dull song, to be honest.
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Pigs is one of my favorite Pink Floyd songs :tdwn
My votes were for Dark Side of the Moon, Animals, and The Division Bell. Not a fan of the Wall, and I normally like ridiculous, pretentious progressive rock albums with the central character being a fucking psychopath*. *shrug*
That's every progressive rock concept album in the world, huh?
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The Division Bell. Not "Stand".
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Shit. I knew that, how the hell did I end up with what I did? :lol
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Animals - Wish You Were Here - The Wall in that order
Dark Side Of The Moon and The Division Bell close behind. ;D
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Nothing spectacular here:
DSotM
WYWH
Animals
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Survivor's up. Gogogogogogo.
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Sweet.
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I will have to listen to a lot of their earlier albums again to participate, but I should be able to get a vote in before the next round.
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Animals
Wish You Were Here
Meddle
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I haven't given PF a chance until recently. I've got DSotM, The Wall, and WYWH. Nothing else to add, other than I think they're pretty amazing, and I'm surprised I didn't get into them sooner. I had didn't want to give them a chance, just to spite all the annoying classic rock snobs.
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I haven't given PF a chance until recently. I've got DSotM, The Wall, and WYWH. Nothing else to add, other than I think they're pretty amazing, and I'm surprised I didn't get into them sooner. I had didn't want to give them a chance, just to spite all the annoying classic rock snobs.
Go get Animals and Meddle immediately.
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Nice that Animals was picked for the Audiosurf challenge. Getting it and the rest of Pink Floyd's discography proved timely now that the survivor is up.
Also:
Animals
TDSOTM
The Wall
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I haven't given PF a chance until recently. I've got DSotM, The Wall, and WYWH. Nothing else to add, other than I think they're pretty amazing, and I'm surprised I didn't get into them sooner. I had didn't want to give them a chance, just to spite all the annoying classic rock snobs.
Go get Animals and Meddle immediately.
I certainly will after I've worn these guys in.
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I XAME!!!!! :dangerwillrobinson:
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Whoa, epic. What performance is that?
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When did THAT happen?
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I'm really into Pink Floyd this summer...
DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
ANIMALS
THE WALL
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When did THAT happen?
Last night at a beneficial concert.
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where what when why
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Guess it was a 'Israelis GTFO of Gaza" thing. Not really, more like Hope and Optimism for Palestinians in the Next Generation, or HOPING. Regardless of one's feeling on the matter, seems like an obscure organization to bring those two together.
Oh, and Guy Pratt on bass :metal
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I only have Dark Side Of The Moon, Wish You Were Here, and The Wall (with TW being my least favorite), but I love them all. I'm seeing Roger Waters in October, an am incredibly excited for that.
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Picked the Holy Trinity of The Dark Side Of The Moon, Wish You Were Here and Animals, with WYWH being my favorite, and TDSOTM and ANI tied for second. Meddle and The Wall would be right behind those two to round out my top 5.
-Marc.
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Also forgot to mention, I'm seeing a Pink Floyd tribute band called Beyond The Wall play a free show Friday night, and I'm pretty excited for it.
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OMG!!! I have to get my hands on a video of this performance!!!
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Oh God! Awesome pictures :o
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epic
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Regardless of one's feeling on the matter, seems like an obscure organization to bring those two together.
I didn't know DG was so vocal about it. I knew Waters was, with his "TEAR DOWN THE ISRAELI WALL" thing.
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I didn't know they wouldn't be chicken shit like most musical celebs and musicians who don't like speaking up on this matter or else they'll be destroyed heh
Not the first thing that comes to mind though, not even the 10th thing, I wanna see videos!!!
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More photos of the show
https://www.pollysamson.com/photography.htm
Scroll down to "Gallery - Hoping"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkB2KNQiukE
Audio from the gig (a short snip of Wish You Were Here), and some photos.
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:tup :tup
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The video said the recording was from Live Aid 2005. :-[
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Oh, didn't see that. Sorry.
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np. Still good photos.
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Animals
The Wall
Dark Side of the Moon
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Animals
The Wall
Dark Side of the Moon
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Wish you were here
Animals
The Wall
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I'm actually really excited to see Beyond The Wall tomorrow night, as it's a free show at a beautiful outdoor theater about twenty minutes away.
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Animals>Meddle/Atom Heart Mother>Wish You Were Here/Dark Side of the Moon
My top album rank.
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The video for The Wall makes my mind explode. :hefdaddy
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https://www.americansongwriter.com/2010/07/pink-floyds-waters-and-gilmour-tear-down-the-wall/
-Marc.
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:tup
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Thats excellent news! :tup
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I would smile all over myself if he plays with Waters when I see him
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I just hope that whatever show this is gets recorded for history's and posterity's sake... oh, and the fan's too.
I also hope they whole thing sounds amazing. I guess doing one show means DG will probably working on the whole album between now and then to warm up for it. When was the last time he played the whole thing, or even a good chunk of it? Then again, if was only years ago, how much would he have remembered?
-Marc.
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HE WOULD REMEMBER IT WELL ENOUGH TO PLAY IT IN HARTFORD IN OCTOBER
/selfish ignorant rabid fan
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It's probably gonna be at MSG.
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It's in LA, just checked Wikipedia, and The Wall was released on November 30th, which is one of the multiple nights in Los Angeles
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From Waters' Facebook page:
So here's what happened. Last year, 'The Hoping Foundation' a charity that supports Palestinian refugee kids, (www.hopingfoundation.org) put on a fund raiser at Ronnie Scott's Club in London, the idea of which was to raise money by auctioning karaoke performances by various celebrities. David was there as a supporter and was moved to perform an impromptu rendition of George Gershwin's 'Summertime?' which he performed aided and abetted by supermodel Kate Moss.
In the wake of that evening, someone, I think it was David himself, came up with this 'Wouldn't it be funny', idea. What if he (David that is) were to sing the old Teddy Bears song 'To Know Him Is To Love Him' with me (Roger that is), what with us having been so famously at each other's throats for years and years. Get it!!!! Anyway he E-mailed me with this suggestion and I loved it, so then it was just a question of juggling dates and deciding to do 'Wish You Were Here' and 'Comfortably Numb' to round out our little set. Or so I thought, until he sent me a number of very musical and eloquent demos of how we could do the song in two-part harmony. I listened with a sinking heart, knowing that David, with his superior vocal skills, could sing either part standing on his head, whilst I would have to search for a different key and then struggle through hours and hours of routining a performance that lay way outside my vocal comfort zone. To my eternal shame I bottled out and told Dave I would happily do 'Wish You Were Here' and 'C. Numb', but that 'To Know him is to Love him' was beyond me.
Some weeks passed with David cajoling me from time to time, telling me how easy it would be, but I clung resolutely to my fear of failure until one day he made one final entreaty. I quote "If you do 'To Know Him Is To Love Him' for The Hoping Foundation Gig, I'll come and do 'C. Numb' on one of your Wall shows". Well! You could have knocked me down with a feather. How fucking cool! I was blown away. How could I refuse such an offer. I couldn't, there was no way. Generosity trumped fear. And so explaining that I would probably be shite, but if he didn't mind I didn't, I agreed and the rest is history. We did it, and it was fucking great. End of story. Or possibly beginning.
Roger
PS. Just heard from David, he will decide in due course which gig he wants to do, it will be a surprise!
Ah well... still, it'll be nice to see them together on stage twice within a year.
-Marc.
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Ah man, that's awesome.
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It's so awesome these two buried the hatchet and are getting along
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Awesome. Sounds like Gilmour was really pushing for it, and finally got it.
Also, interesting that what did it was Gilmour offering to play "Comfortably Numb". I know Waters considers The Wall to be "his" project, but even Waters has to realize that having Gilmour show up and play "Comfortably Numb" would have fans smileing in their pants, so it's great that the fans' wants come ahead of his ego.
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Whoa! Awesome! I always got the impression these guys didn't necessarily not get along at this point, they just didn't have any common interests to facilitate them working together.
Interesting hearing RW comment about his voice too. I'm sure he's under no misconceptions that his voice is stellar, but it makes me wonder how much he'll be singing during this upcoming tour. His voice may never have been the best, but his (and DG's) make up the voice of Floyd, and hearing the Wall without either of them prominently featured might be a questionable experience.
I'm under no delusion that DG will play Tacoma, WA, so someone better record that show!
Also, I forget DG is active in different causes. Nice to see stars being active in causes they believe in without a lot of fanfare (hi, Bono)
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I've read a few things Waters has said about not being the greatest bass player, and even pushing for Gilmour to play bass on some tracks because he (Waters) couldn't handle it. But I never knew he felt the same way about his voice.
I've blasted Waters in the past for his raging ego and how it led to the end of "classic" Pink Floyd (the four-piece lineup everyone knows), but damn, if he knows he can't sing and his bass playing is passable at best, why the hell did he consider himself the leader of the band? Because he wrote the lyrics?
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I've blasted Waters in the past for his raging ego and how it led to the end of "classic" Pink Floyd (the four-piece lineup everyone knows), but damn, if he knows he can't sing and his bass playing is passable at best, why the hell did he consider himself the leader of the band? Because he wrote the lyrics?
Time is a funny thing. Remember that it has been almost 30 years since the falling-out, so he likely has realized over time that maybe he didn't act in the best manner possible. It definitely sounds like he has mellowed out quite a lot, which is in stark contrast to the egomaniacal dickhead he had become in the 80s.
Ultimately, though, I am sure he thought he knew what was best for the band, from a creative and conceptual standpoint, which is why he considered himself the leader. It is like Portnoy and DT right now: he doesn't write a lot of the music, but is likely largely responsible for the direction the band goes in. Same thing with Waters back in the day, albeit in a slightly different way. And I seriously doubt that Portnoy treats his fellow band members the way Waters treated the other Floyds.
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Well, back in the day, Waters vocals were certainly nothing to snuff about. Sure, DG had the better "sounding" voice, but Roger was able to hit some notes ("Hey You", "In Every Stranger's Eyes" just for example), and I certainly will never dispute his bass playing. John Lennon himself was always very critical about his singing voice
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Wait...someone said Tacoma, another said LA...why?!?!?
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Wait...someone said Tacoma, another said LA...why?!?!?
Because no one knows?
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I would cry tears of joy if he played with Waters on November 8th in Philly. But to be frank, it would be more for Gilmour than Waters. I want to see Gilmour play and if he happens to do it with Waters that is a mega plus. I want Gilmour to tour goddammit!!!
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I would cry tears of joy if he played with Waters on November 8th in Philly. But to be frank, it would be more for Gilmour than Waters. I want to see Gilmour play and if he happens to do it with Waters that is a mega plus. I want Gilmour to tour goddammit!!!
Gilmour tours all the time, nub.
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Wait...someone said Tacoma, another said LA...why?!?!?
In the link posted it said David Gilmour would join Roger Waters for the show on the anniversary of The Wall, which is on November 30th in Los Angeles.
I would cry tears of joy if he played with Waters on November 8th in Philly. But to be frank, it would be more for Gilmour than Waters. I want to see Gilmour play and if he happens to do it with Waters that is a mega plus. I want Gilmour to tour goddammit!!!
Gilmour tours all the time, nub.
Does he play any Pink Floyd stuff?
And I saw Beyond The Wall perform last night, and the show was amazing. It was at an outdoor show in the center of Danbury, CT with the band under this half-dome and a lot of crazy lights, lasers, and video projections, and it was overcast and a bit breezy, and singing "Wish You Were Here" under those conditions was amazing. And the David Gilmour guy was spot-on, and the Roger Waters guy was almost perfect.
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A bit unrelated... but I just saw The Machine performing a local gig, and they were absolutely amazing, everything about it was perfect and I have never seen a better cover band, and it was the best show I have ever seen. That is all...
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I would cry tears of joy if he played with Waters on November 8th in Philly. But to be frank, it would be more for Gilmour than Waters. I want to see Gilmour play and if he happens to do it with Waters that is a mega plus. I want Gilmour to tour goddammit!!!
Gilmour tours all the time, nub.
Does he play any Pink Floyd stuff?
No, he plays Armenian death folk metal, with Gaahl on guest voc-OF COURSE HE PLAYS PINK FLOYD SONGS WHEN HE TOURS.
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No, he plays Armenian death folk metal, with Gaahl on guest voc-OF COURSE HE PLAYS PINK FLOYD SONGS WHEN HE TOURS.
The Pink Floyd part is bullshit, must've been some kind of joke...
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A bit unrelated... but I just saw The Machine performing a local gig, and they were absolutely amazing, everything about it was perfect and I have never seen a better cover band, and it was the best show I have ever seen. That is all...
My stepdad said that they're amazing as well.
No, he plays Armenian death folk metal, with Gaahl on guest voc-OF COURSE HE PLAYS PINK FLOYD SONGS WHEN HE TOURS.
The Pink Floyd part is bullshit, must've been some kind of joke...
Well he does have solo material, so I wasn't sure if he just plays that.
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Gilmour's not an idiot, he knows only a fraction of people listen to his solo stuff and he fills those stadiums with Floyd fans.
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The Machine was a bit of a disappointment compared to a local tribute band that used to play theaters in my area called Brain Damage. The Machine were alright, but the Gilmour of the band thought way too highly of himself and his singing and guitar playing came off as him trying way to hard and failing at both at times.
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https://slashdot.org/story/10/07/14/1924212/Dont-Stop-File-Sharing-Says-Former-Pink-Floyd-Manager
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Learning to Fly is such an amazing song!!! :hefdaddy
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Gilmour hasn't toured since 2006, just sayin'. Now, I have a question. How the hell is Waters going to hit some of the notes in The Wall? (Don't Leave Me Now)
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I would say he will have the female singers augmenting the lead vocal, and probably do most of the leads on stuff like that, but I almost remember seeing his touring band lineup and him not bringing the girls along this time. If I am remembering correctly, I don't know how he will pull some of the harder stuff off, considering he doesn't have much of a voice left.
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Speaking of The Wall, I have been listening to it lately, and remembering just how good it is! And actually I'm going to sleep to it for the second night in a row. Great music!
Also been hitting up Wish You Were Here (including the near 26:00 long edit I made of "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" taking the cross-fade mix from the Echoes edit and mixing the two album tracks around it - soooo seamless and epic in one go) and Animals. I also spun Meddle, Obscured By Clouds and The Division Bell lately, all very good albums in their own right. The only ones from latter Pink Floyd I haven't really gotten IN to have been The Final Cut and A Momentary Lapse Of Reason, so maybe I'll give them go arounds in the coming week.
Gotta say, though, Pink Floyd is definitely a top 10 band for me! "We don't need no education..."...ahhh...
-Marc.
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I used to find Shine On You Crazy Diamond incredibly boring, until I discovered psychedelic herbs :lol
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I used to find Shine On You Crazy Diamond incredibly boring, until I discovered psychedelic herbs :lol
Really? I loved that song even before I started smoking. Actually, now that I think about it, that was probably my first exposure to progressive music.
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I used to find Shine On You Crazy Diamond incredibly boring, until I discovered psychedelic herbs :lol
That song is epic without that stuff.
with that stuff it's even more epic.
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Just got around to this thread...
Dark Side of the Moon
Wish You Were Here
The Final Cut
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Dark Side Of The Moon
Wish You Were Here
Animals
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Well hello PF thread :heart
Dark side of the Moon
The Wall
Animals
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Right now WYWH is my favorite Floyd album. Every song is incredible and the flow is river-stuff!
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The Wall
Dark Side of the Moon
WYWH
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Animals
Obscured By Clouds
Atom Heart Mother
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I used to find Shine On You Crazy Diamond incredibly boring, until I discovered psychedelic herbs :lol
Same here, but I thought it was great to begin with ;D
Also, while in New Jersey, I picked up a cool Wall shirt and this poster: https://www.rockstarhq.com/black/pink%20floyd.htm (the one on the right). :hat
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I used to find Shine On You Crazy Diamond incredibly boring, until I discovered psychedelic herbs :lol
Really? I loved that song even before I started smoking. Actually, now that I think about it, that was probably my first exposure to progressive music.
Same, I love "Shine On..." way before I started blazing. I'm glad you see the light, though. :)
PF is in a league of their own for me. I have a huge 4ftx4ft poster of "Animals" above my desk. :biggrin:
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Dark Side
Wish You Were Here
Animals/Meddle (I gave the vote to Animals, but it's really, really close)
Worst?
The Piper At the Gates of Dawn (Easily)
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PF is in a league of their own for me. I have a huge 4ftx4ft poster of "Animals" above my desk. :biggrin:
Man I want one of those!
btw fellas did you know about this incident?:
The original Pink Floyd pig was designed by Roger Waters and built in December 1976 by the artist Jeffrey Shaw with help of Designers team Hipgnosis, in preparation for shooting the cover of the Animals album. Plans were made to fly the forty-foot, helium-filled balloon over Battersea Power Station on the first day's photo-shoot, with a marksman prepared to shoot the pig down if it broke free. However, the pig was not launched.
On the second day, the marksman wasn't present because no one had told him to return, and the pig broke free due to a strong gust of wind on the third day, gaining a lot of press coverage. It disappeared from sight within five minutes, and was spotted by airline pilots at forty thousand feet in the air. Flights at Heathrow Airport were cancelled as the huge inflatable pig flew through the path of aircraft, eastwards from Britain and out over the English Channel, finally landing on a rural farm in Kent that night
:rollin
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:lol
Awesome.
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PF is in a league of their own for me. I have a huge 4ftx4ft poster of "Animals" above my desk. :biggrin:
I've always wanted an Animals poster but I think this would be more badass:
https://www.art.com/products/p12889360-sa-i2180611/doug-mckinlay-best-recognised-as-the-cover-of-a-pink-floyd-album-is-the-battersea-power-plant-london-england.htm?sorig=cat&sorigid=0&dimvals=0&ui=8a80fa6c00e14146a309bcbbd6368160&searchstring=pink+floyd
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PF is in a league of their own for me. I have a huge 4ftx4ft poster of "Animals" above my desk. :biggrin:
I've always wanted an Animals poster but I think this would be more badass:
https://www.art.com/products/p12889360-sa-i2180611/doug-mckinlay-best-recognised-as-the-cover-of-a-pink-floyd-album-is-the-battersea-power-plant-london-england.htm?sorig=cat&sorigid=0&dimvals=0&ui=8a80fa6c00e14146a309bcbbd6368160&searchstring=pink+floyd
I agree. Do want.
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I used to find Shine On You Crazy Diamond incredibly boring, until I discovered psychedelic herbs :lol
Really? I loved that song even before I started smoking. Actually, now that I think about it, that was probably my first exposure to progressive music.
My first exposure to progressive music was In the Court of the Crimson King because I wrote it. Yes, I invented prog.
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Not sure if it was mentioned here, but has anyone heard the Flaming Lips' cover of Dark Side of the Moon? It's amazing! Such a great interpretation of a classic. I recommend checking it out.
Note: I'm not even a Lips fan
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Really? I thought it was awful. I couldn't even make it halfway through.
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Piper
Dark Side
Animals
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I used to find Shine On You Crazy Diamond incredibly boring, until I discovered psychedelic herbs :lol
Really? I loved that song even before I started smoking. Actually, now that I think about it, that was probably my first exposure to progressive music.
My first exposure to progressive music was In the Court of the Crimson King because I wrote it. Yes, I invented prog.
Actually, "In Held Twas In I" is considered the first prog song. :neverusethis:
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The original Pink Floyd pig was designed by Roger Waters and built in December 1976 by the artist Jeffrey Shaw with help of Designers team Hipgnosis, in preparation for shooting the cover of the Animals album. Plans were made to fly the forty-foot, helium-filled balloon over Battersea Power Station on the first day's photo-shoot, with a marksman prepared to shoot the pig down if it broke free. However, the pig was not launched.
On the second day, the marksman wasn't present because no one had told him to return, and the pig broke free due to a strong gust of wind on the third day, gaining a lot of press coverage. It disappeared from sight within five minutes, and was spotted by airline pilots at forty thousand feet in the air. Flights at Heathrow Airport were cancelled as the huge inflatable pig flew through the path of aircraft, eastwards from Britain and out over the English Channel, finally landing on a rural farm in Kent that night
:rollin
:rollin :rollin
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My wife and I visited London years ago, and we took a boat tour that went up and down the river, including going past Battersea Power Station. It was pretty cool seeing that building for real. Yes, it looks just like on the album cover. For a long time, I thought the album cover was a painting; something about the lighting made the photo look surreal. Then I saw some of the other pictures from that shoot and realized that the lighting was just really weird that day, and it's really a photo.
Battersea isn't being used anymore. I think they were in the midst of converting it to a huge shopping mall or something when we were there in 2001.
ETA: That apparently fell through, according to wiki. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battersea_Power_Station)
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Hey so what's everyone favorite cover art from them? Mine would be Animals followed by Dark Side.
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Hey so what's everyone favorite cover art from them? Mine would be Animals followed by Dark Side.
Animals has a cool cover, I have that one on a poster at home somewhere. DSOTM is a nice one too, and so recognizable and iconic.
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Hey so what's everyone favorite cover art from them? Mine would be Animals followed by Dark Side.
Animals, although I didn't notice the pig until someone pointed out for me that there's a pig on the cover.
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Hey so what's everyone favorite cover art from them? Mine would be Animals followed by Dark Side.
WYWH has an awesome cover
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A Momentary Lapse of Reason has a cool one to, the one with the beds on the beach.
"The cover shows 800 hospital beds, placed on Saunton Sands in Devon (where, coincidentally, some of the scenes for Pink Floyd The Wall were filmed). The beds were arranged by Thorgerson's partner, Colin Elgie. A hang glider can be seen in the sky, a clear reference to "Learning to Fly". The photographer, Robert Dowling, won a gold award at the Association of Photographers Awards for the image, which took about two weeks to create."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Momentary_Lapse_Of_Reason
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Hey so what's everyone favorite cover art from them? Mine would be Animals followed by Dark Side.
Animals... easily.
Great cover, that.
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Well, I somehow lost my copy of Animals that I bought a few months ago, and since that was the only Floyd album I physically owned, I now have no Floyd. I went to Wal-Mart thinking that even though their music selection is nothing to write home about, they'd probably have Dark Side, Wish You Were Here, or maybe a copy of Animals so I could replace the one I lost.
All they have is The Division Bell. Lame.
Is it worth it to pick it up? Is it a good album? I'm a bit of a Floyd novice, but the lack of Roger Waters makes me apprehensive that I may not like it. It's either The Division Bell or nothing, because I don't feel like making the 45 minute drive to Best Buy tomorrow just to buy one album.
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The Division Bell is good. It has two of my favourites (High Hopes, Lost For Words), two great ones (A Great Day For Freedom, Take It Back) and a couple of decent ones. If you like that album check out the Pulse DVD since it's got a couple of TDB songs on it (and the entire DSOTM album). It's a great DVD nonetheless!
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You don't have a Target or a mall with a CD store in your area? or even a used CDs exchange kinda place? I think The Division Bell is gonna turn you off to Floyd for a while.
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I live in a rural area, so sadly, nope.
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My wife and I visited London years ago, and we took a boat tour that went up and down the river, including going past Battersea Power Station. It was pretty cool seeing that building for real. Yes, it looks just like on the album cover. For a long time, I thought the album cover was a painting; something about the lighting made the photo look surreal. Then I saw some of the other pictures from that shoot and realized that the lighting was just really weird that day, and it's really a photo.
Battersea isn't being used anymore. I think they were in the midst of converting it to a huge shopping mall or something when we were there in 2001.
ETA: That apparently fell through, according to wiki. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battersea_Power_Station)
I would imagine I don't have to say this, but the building was used in Children of Men.
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Well, I somehow lost my copy of Animals that I bought a few months ago, and since that was the only Floyd album I physically owned, I now have no Floyd. I went to Wal-Mart thinking that even though their music selection is nothing to write home about, they'd probably have Dark Side, Wish You Were Here, or maybe a copy of Animals so I could replace the one I lost.
All they have is The Division Bell. Lame.
Is it worth it to pick it up? Is it a good album? I'm a bit of a Floyd novice, but the lack of Roger Waters makes me apprehensive that I may not like it. It's either The Division Bell or nothing, because I don't feel like making the 45 minute drive to Best Buy tomorrow just to buy one album.
I would go buy The Division Bell (which is really, really, really good) ASAP and then order the others online. :)
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I voted for Atom Heart Mother, Wish You Were Here and The Division Bell
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:metal
I saw that movie and I never noticed that.
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I really really love the way Harper sings in "Have a Cigar"! Especially this line: "Everybody else is just greeeeee-eeen!". It's like the businessman is totally into it with the charts n stuff and he's nearly losing control. Awesome!
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Listened to Animals again last night.
Hot damn, that it a bloody amazing album.
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"Haha, charade you are."
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You! Fucked. Up. Old Hag...
Haha! Charade you are...
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"Haha, charade you are."
Haha! Charade you are...
I love this line! :heart
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Animals is my favorite album of all time. :hefdaddy
I'm glad to hear others get great enjoyment out of it. My only complaint is that it ends too quickly. :P
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Well, it doesn't overstay it's welcome.
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I smile in my pants a little every time Cartman uses the line "Haha, charade you are" in South Park.
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I smile in my pants a little every time Cartman uses the line "Haha, charade you are" in South Park.
:lol
I forgot about that.
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I really really love the way Harper sings in "Have a Cigar"! Especially this line: "Everybody else is just greeeeee-eeen!". It's like the businessman is totally into it with the charts n stuff and he's nearly losing control. Awesome!
Yeah, Roy Harper pours himself into that performance. Great stuff!
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I'm in the process of getting the bootleg entitled "Who Was Trained Not To Spit On The Fan?" Now, I'm sure most of you know the relevance of this gig, but to know who don't I'll explain.
It's from the famous Animals tour! They play the entire Animals, Wish You Were Here, Money, Us And Them, and conclude with More Blues. Long story short, this specific gig was the gig that inspired RW to write The Wall! I'll copy and paste some info.
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Notes:
Olympic Stadium (Montreal)
In 1977, Pink Floyd wrapped up their Animals tour at this venue. During the performance, Roger Waters started to sing "Pigs on the Wing 2", but was interrupted by an audience member setting off a firecracker near the stage. He stopped singing and shouted out, "Oh, for fuck's sake. Stop letting off fireworks and shouting and screaming. I'm trying to sing a song." The crowd cheered at this. He continued: "I mean I don't care. If you don't wanna hear it, you know... Fuck you! I'm sure there's a lot of people here who do want to hear it. So why don't you just be quiet... If you wanna let your fireworks off, go outside and let them off out there. And if you wanna shout and scream and holler go and do it out there but... I'm trying to sing a song that some people want to listen to. I want to listen to it!"
He then continued with the song. The situation continued to deteriorate, however, and during "Pigs (Three Different Ones)", Waters watched incredulously as one fan climbed the netting that separated the audience from the band. Out of disgust, Waters spat in the fan's face. Near the end of the show, Pink Floyd guitarist and singer David Gilmour was reported to have walked off the stage in disgust, sitting out the final encore. Following the performance, Waters regretted his actions, and began to lament the separation between the audience and band. It was this which caused Waters to come up with the idea of the critically acclaimed album The Wall. The band would not play at the stadium again until 1988, after Waters' departure, on their A Momentary Lapse of Reason tour. On that occasion, the performance went smoothly. They subsequently returned to the venue on their 1994 The Division Bell tour.
The 1977 show has been released as a bootleg, humorously titled "Who Was Trained Not To Spit on the Fan". This title is derived from the lyrics to the song "Dogs" - the actual lyrics are "Who Was Trained Not To Spit in the Fan."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_Stadium_(Montreal)
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Where are you getting the bootleg??
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They are God and that's all I say. Enough said.
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https://hopingfoundation.org/#/https://hopingfoundation.org
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It is done. It is good.
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I smile in my pants a little every time Cartman uses the line "Haha, charade you are" in South Park.
:lol
I forgot about that.
What episode does Cartman say that?
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I know he says it in "Scott Tenorman Must Die" and at least one other episode.
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Tread revival!
Has anyone seen the Australian Pink Floyd show? From the clips I've seen, they seem superb, and truly the ultimate Pink Floyd tribute. I might see them on November 5th in the same venue I saw Progressive Nation 2009 at.
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It sounds boring, I know, but their three best, to me, are Dark Side of the Moon (best album EVER), The Wall and Wish You Were Here. Animals and The Division Bell would round out my top 5.
this
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Tread revival!
Has anyone seen the Australian Pink Floyd show? From the clips I've seen, they seem superb, and truly the ultimate Pink Floyd tribute. I might see them on November 5th in the same venue I saw Progressive Nation 2009 at.
Yeah they're awsome.. was on holiday in the states last year when my mate bumped into one of the instrumentalists who happened to be his old music teacher, and we got free tickets :hat
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My favorites are Animals and Wish You Were Here.
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My favorites are Animals and Wish You Were Here.
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My favorites are Dark Side of The Moon, Animals, and Wish You Were Here.
But Meddle is vastly underrated, and almost equals the genius of above records.
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I never understood the love to Meddle that pops up peridocially. Echoes is probably one of my top 5 Floyd songs, and has been since the first time I heard it. But nothing else on that album is impressive at all. It's not bad, like Atom Heart Mother bad, it just is mediocre overall.
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I never understood the love to Meddle that pops up peridocially. Echoes is probably one of my top 5 Floyd songs, and has been since the first time I heard it. But nothing else on that album is impressive at all. It's not bad, like Atom Heart Mother bad, it just is mediocre overall.
One of These Days, San Tropez, and A Pillow of Winds would like to have a word with you
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One of These Days, San Tropez, and A Pillow of Winds would like to have a word with you
I am available via PM should they wish to contact me :biggrin: If I do not hear from them, I will check them out tonight to see if my feelings have changed.
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ive never even been such of a fan of echoes :-\
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I never understood the love to Meddle that pops up peridocially. Echoes is probably one of my top 5 Floyd songs, and has been since the first time I heard it. But nothing else on that album is impressive at all.
Agreed (except I would consider "Echoes" a top 20 Floyd song, not top 5).
Side 1 simply isn't that strong. "One of These Days" is great (although I've never thought that the studio version was that good, unlike the live versions, which are always stellar), but "Seamus" and "San Tropez" are both pretty forgettable. "A Pillow of Winds" and "Fearless" are both nice, but neither are essential or songs I would go out of my way to listen to.
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I tend to listen to Side One of Meddle more than Side Two. I liked Pink Floyd's "regular" songs, before Roger Waters decided that everything on the entire album had to fit a concept.
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Just listened to Animals and The Wall back to back and the transition still strikes me as odd, but then again the whole spitting incident must have made an impact on Waters.
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when it comes to Echoes, i find that the version on David Gilmour's Live In Gdansk beats the studio or the Pompeii version by 10000x
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What Pink Floyd album should I get first?
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Basically, the two essentials are Dark Side of the Moon and Wish You Were Here. if you don't like either you have no soul. My favourite is probably Animals, which would be the next progression. Then maybe The Wall and Meddle. And keep going from there :hat
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Thank you.
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Basically, the two essentials are Dark Side of the Moon and Wish You Were Here. if you don't like either you have no soul. My favourite is probably Animals, which would be the next progression. Then maybe The Wall and Meddle. And keep going from there :hat
Pretty much this. I think many PF fans would make this suggestion - start with one, two or all three of The Dark Side Of The Moon, Wish You Were Here (my personal favorite! I even have a poster of the cover!) and/or Animals. Those are pretty much their 3 most loved albums, at least according to the poll here. Then there's the long and amazing concept album The Wall, which does take awhile to digest, so don't give up on it so easily!
Enjoy your Pink Floyd journey! :tup
-Marc.
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This is gonna sound a tad weird, but I think I actually prefer the version of "Run Like Hell" from The Wall movie over the one on the studio album. It is only 2 1/2 minutes, but it sounds more furious and frantic. I love how the keyboard solo is placed underneath the second verse in the movie version; it makes that second verse that much more bad ass. :metal
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This is gonna sound a tad weird, but I think I actually prefer the version of "Run Like Hell" from The Wall movie over the one on the studio album. It is only 2 1/2 minutes, but it sounds more furious and frantic. I love how the keyboard solo is placed underneath the second verse in the movie version; it makes that second verse that much more bad ass. :metal
Damn, I don't recall a difference. I'll check it out tonight.
when it comes to Echoes, i find that the version on David Gilmour's Live In Gdansk beats the studio or the Pompeii version by 10000x
Maybe not 10000x, but I definitely think it improves on an already great song.
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so you think you can tell heaven from hell? :tick2:
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so you think you can tell heaven from earth?
It's heaven from hell.
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Yeah, doesn't rhyme as well the other way.
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This is gonna sound a tad weird, but I think I actually prefer the version of "Run Like Hell" from The Wall movie over the one on the studio album. It is only 2 1/2 minutes, but it sounds more furious and frantic. I love how the keyboard solo is placed underneath the second verse in the movie version; it makes that second verse that much more bad ass. :metal
Checking it out now. From how you described it, it sounds as if it would be better.
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I love pretty much all of PF, but it's really weird since I don't like DSOTM at all. I just don't get anything out of it. Songs like On The Run, Us and Them, and Any Colour You Like do absolutely nothing for me.
I do appreciate Time, Money, and Great Gig, though. Probably my three faves.
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I do appreciate Time, Money, and Great Gig, though. Probably my three faves.
As they should be. One of the best three-song-runs ever.
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But Us & Them is amazing!
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Animals is the best them
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It's killing me inside that I can't say I'm a Pink Floyd fan so which album should I start off with?
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Either Darkside of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, or Animals.
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Either Darkside of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, or Animals.
Why choose? Just grab all three! :heart
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Either Darkside of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, or Animals.
Why choose? Just grab all three! :heart
Yep. You simply can't go wrong with any of those. But If I must recommend one, Wish You Were Here would be it. If you don't like the title-track you have no soul :millahhhh
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But Us & Them is amazing!
This! One of my favourite Floyd songs.
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Listening to Animals now.
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Listening to Animals now.
HA HA CHARADE YOU ARE
"Pigs" is fucking ace. I love that song.
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As great as it is, Dark Side of the Moon is one of the most overrated albums in existence
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As great as it is, The Wall is one of the most overrated albums in existence
Agreed.
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Really? In what way? I know that none of the songs on The Wall really stand alone (just like any other concept album), but I can't see how it's any more overrated than any other Floyd album.
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Really? In what way? I know that none of the songs on The Wall really stand alone (just like any other concept album), but I can't see how it's any more overrated than any other Floyd album.
Like most double albums, it's too long and bloated and I find that it's good moments are easily eclipsed by the good moments on other PF albums.
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But like most double albums, if you really like it, there's twice as much there to immerse yourself in.
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Really? In what way? I know that none of the songs on The Wall really stand alone (just like any other concept album), but I can't see how it's any more overrated than any other Floyd album.
There is a good handful of songs on The Wall that stand on their own. In fact I kinda wished they had released just those songs on a 40 minute album instead of cementing them together with filler.
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Neither Dark Side of the Moon nor The Wall can ever receive enough praise. Both are firmly entrenched in my all-time top 10. :hat
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Neither Dark Side of the Moon nor The Wall can ever receive enough praise. Both are firmly entrenched in my all-time top 10. :hat
Glad to see we agree on something, KevShmev! :tup
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*high five* /Puddy :coolio
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Neither Dark Side of the Moon nor The Wall can ever receive enough praise. Both are firmly entrenched in my all-time top 10. :hat
The Wall is definitely in my top ten as well.
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It's killing me inside that I can't say I'm a Pink Floyd fan so which album should I start off with?
Echoes.
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:omg: No! Never start with a compilation. All you're getting is someone else's idea of their "best of".
Pink Floyd took a lot of care to craft their albums as cohesive endeavors. To not start by listening to an album, end-to-end, is to miss out on a lot of what made Pink Floyd so great.
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:omg: No! Never start with a compilation. All you're getting is someone else's idea of their "best of".
Pink Floyd took a lot of care to craft their albums as cohesive endeavors. To not start by listening to an album, end-to-end, is to miss out on a lot of what made Pink Floyd so great.
Couldn't agree with you more. It is so hard to single out a Floyd song, solely because they are a part of a greater whole.
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I honestly don't care much for The Wall outside of a few select songs. As others have said, too much filler for me.
Still, Dark Side/Animals/Wish You Were Here are all amazing and should be listened to :hat
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I myself am a huge fan of the Wall. I always felt that the main character is one of the most fully developed three dimensional characters in music. The personality structure of Pink underlying the music is just amazing.
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Dark Side, Wish and Animals all the way, I really hate The Wall.
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Dark Side, Wish and Animals all the way, I really hate The Wall.
To each his own. I'll think about that in two weeks when I'm in the 15th row watching the show.
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pink floyd good man hehehehe yes man !!! :loser: best heheheh =) ^^^^ =Đ :corn ??? :hat
I like Dogs really really much actually.
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Okay, Dark Side is definately my favourite album of all time.
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I was listening to some earlier Floyd the other day and I can honestly say there's almost nothing about Ummagumma that I like.
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I like the live stuff on Ummagumma a lot. The individual studio experiments are hit or miss.
Okay, Dark Side is definately my favourite album of all time.
It was mine for a long time, too. When it first came out, there was nothing else like it anywhere. There's a reason it set records for sitting the longest at number one.
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Dark Side, Wish and Animals all the way, I really hate The Wall.
To each his own. I'll think about that in two weeks when I'm in the 15th row watching the show.
Well, despite my distaste for the album, I'm still jealous :P
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Saw Roger Waters in concert last night at the Staples Center performing THE WALL! Saw him a couple years back doing The Darkside of the Moon at the Hollywood Bowl. Both were outstanding concerts. Of course, last night I had my Pink Floyd shirt on, but had a DT zip-up on too...had to represent the best of both worlds (especially since I have a PF tattoo on my right side and a DT tattoo on my left side). :metal
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Dark Side, Wish and Animals all the way, I really hate The Wall.
To each his own. I'll think about that in two weeks when I'm in the 15th row watching the show.
Well, despite my distaste for the album, I'm still jealous :P
I'm jealous too, that's sounds awesome!!! :tup
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:omg: No! Never start with a compilation. All you're getting is someone else's idea of their "best of".
Pink Floyd took a lot of care to craft their albums as cohesive endeavors. To not start by listening to an album, end-to-end, is to miss out on a lot of what made Pink Floyd so great.
I don't know. It worked for me. I now know all their catalogue and PF is my second favourite band. I remember, though, that the first time I listened to "Time" I hated it... I couldn't handle the intro. Then I bought DSOTM and well, you know.
But OK, as for the first CD someone should start: Either "Meddle" or "Wish You Were Here"
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:omg: No! Never start with a compilation. All you're getting is someone else's idea of their "best of".
Pink Floyd took a lot of care to craft their albums as cohesive endeavors. To not start by listening to an album, end-to-end, is to miss out on a lot of what made Pink Floyd so great.
I don't know. It worked for me. I now know all their catalogue and PF is my second favourite band. I remember, though, that the first time I listened to "Time" I hated it... I couldn't handle the intro. Then I bought DSOTM and well, you know.
But OK, as for the first CD someone should start: Either "Meddle" or "Wish You Were Here"
Absolutely LOVE "Fearless" off the Meddle album. And I'd agree, but then again it depends on the type of music the person is already in to and a fan of, you know?
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You know what album doesn't get enough love? Obscured By Clouds.
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You know what album doesn't get enough love? Obscured By Clouds.
I totally agree.
I'm just popping into this thread to say that I was listening to Opeth's Burden, and the guitar solo sounds SO floyd. Like, way too close.
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You know what album doesn't get enough love? Obscured By Clouds.
I totally agree.
I'm just popping into this thread to say that I was listening to Opeth's Burden, and the guitar solo sounds SO floyd. Like, way too close.
Conspiracy! :dangerwillrobinson:
But yeah, OBC needs love.
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Dark Side, Wish and Animals all the way, I really hate The Wall.
Exactly this. You have great Floyd taste. :tup
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Best band ever. Very few bands can even compare to their greatness.
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Dark Side, Wish and Animals all the way, I really hate The Wall.
Exactly this. You have great Floyd taste. :tup
That makes three of us.
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Dark Side, Wish and Animals all the way, I really hate The Wall.
Exactly this. You have great Floyd taste. :tup
That makes three of us.
Four actually.
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Dark Side, Wish and Animals all the way, I really hate The Wall.
Exactly this. You have great Floyd taste. :tup
That makes three of us.
Four actually.
The Wall is definitely the weakest of the 70s albums, but I still think it's pretty good for what it is, so I guess I half-count here?
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The Wall is definitely the weakest of the 70s albums, but I still think it's pretty good for what it is, so I guess I half-count here?
Sooooo...in your opinion:
Atom Heart Mother > The Wall
Meddle > The Wall
Obscured By Clouds > The Wall
-Marc.
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The Wall is definitely the weakest of the 70s albums, but I still think it's pretty good for what it is, so I guess I half-count here?
Sooooo...in your opinion:
Atom Heart Mother > The Wall
Meddle > The Wall
Obscured By Clouds > The Wall
-Marc.
AHM is a 70s album? Woops, my bad. OK TW is a bit better than it.
Meddle is far superior to the Wall.
I wasn't counting OBC since it's a soundtrack.
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The Wall is definitely the weakest of the 70s albums, but I still think it's pretty good for what it is, so I guess I half-count here?
Sooooo...in your opinion:
Atom Heart Mother > The Wall
Meddle > The Wall
Obscured By Clouds > The Wall
-Marc.
AHM is a 70s album? Woops, my bad. OK TW is a bit better than it.
Meddle is far superior to the Wall.
I wasn't counting OBC since it's a soundtrack.
AHM came out in 1970, so I suppose it counts. I count OBC (and More) because it seems the band counts them in their discography themselves, at least AFAIK, I've seen TDSOTM referred to as their 8th album (which would count both More and OBC).
-Marc.
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The great thing about The Wall is that it is comprised of very untraditional songs and the music portray a story. Every little bass line, every bit of each guitar solo, every little nuance has a message behind it. While something Meddle is a great album I find that it lacks that depth. It is rather bland in comparison.
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The great thing about The Wall is that it is comprised of very untraditional songs and the music portray a story. Every little bass line, every bit of each guitar solo, every little nuance has a message behind it. While something Meddle is a great album I find that it lacks that depth. It is rather bland in comparison.
They may have tried to go for something like that, but many of the songs were just not given enough attention and ended up becoming filler tracks that really served no purpose.
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Hogwash. Every single song on The Wall serves a purpose. If you read and understand the whole story, this will become very clear. :)
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Hogwash. Every single song on The Wall serves a purpose. If you read and understand the whole story, this will become very clear. :)
Songs like "Vera", "Stop!", "Is There Anybody Out There?" and "Outside the Wall" don't really add much of anything to the story, although I do like the music in "ITAOT?". Also, while I like the song for humor reasons, "The Trial" is just a huge waste of time lyrically.
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I wrote a paper on The Wall and know the story inside and out, but after 30+ years, it's just not as compelling a story as it once was. I'll take Meddle over The Wall, but probably not Atom Heart Mother. For me I guess it's:
Animals
Wish You Were Here
Dark Side of the Moon
Meddle
The Wall
Atom Heart Mother
Ummagumma
Everything else
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Quad, I swear I don't mean this in a condescending way at all, but if you really think those things, you really have missed the whole point of the story.
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I wrote a paper on The Wall and know the story inside and out, but after 30+ years, it's just not as compelling a story as it once was. I'll take Meddle over The Wall, but probably not Atom Heart Mother. For me I guess it's:
Animals
Wish You Were Here
Dark Side of the Moon
Meddle
The Wall
Atom Heart Mother
Ummagumma
Everything else
My order is exactly the same.
o/
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Hogwash. Every single song on The Wall serves a purpose. If you read and understand the whole story, this will become very clear. :)
The story just isn't that interesting so I can understand why the filler doesn't seem as appealing to some. Stop! has some great piano work though so I love it anyways.
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I wrote a paper on The Wall and know the story inside and out, but after 30+ years, it's just not as compelling a story as it once was. I'll take Meddle over The Wall, but probably not Atom Heart Mother. For me I guess it's:
Animals
Wish You Were Here
Dark Side of the Moon
Meddle
The Wall
Atom Heart Mother
Ummagumma
Everything else
My order is exactly the same.
o/
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Hogwash. Every single song on The Wall serves a purpose. If you read and understand the whole story, this will become very clear. :)
Songs like "Vera", "Stop!", "Is There Anybody Out There?" and "Outside the Wall" don't really add much of anything to the story, although I do like the music in "ITAOT?". Also, while I like the song for humor reasons, "The Trial" is just a huge waste of time lyrically.
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh qué?
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Hogwash. Every single song on The Wall serves a purpose. If you read and understand the whole story, this will become very clear. :)
The story just isn't that interesting so I can understand why the filler doesn't seem as appealing to some
Okay, but:
a) How can something that doesn't exist, filler, not appeal to someone? I am serious. There is zero filler on The Wall.
b) Just because you (a general "you," not you directly) don't like a song, or it doesn't appeal to you, doesn't mean that it doesn't serve a purpose.
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I think he means it a filler musically, not lyrically, there are weaker songs on the album that can be classified as obvious fillers.
But yeah they all serve a purpose, story is dull though.
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Funny, those songs that some might consider to filler are some of the most memorable parts of the album.
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Funny, those songs that some might consider to filler are some of the most memorable parts of the album.
Yeah there are plenty of high points, but the gentler ones that give you a breather serve just as much of a purpose as you'd think "Comfortably Numb" or "Hey You" would.
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I've often slagged off The Wall for being one of the more overrated albums of any artist (I still like it though), but I haven't listened to the entire thing in years. I should probably give it a chance again, but the problem is, when I think of The Wall, I think of an album that is just too damn long and does not interest me enough (musically) to want to devote the time to it.
I probably should though.
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The Wall is only three days away!!! :caffeine:
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The Wall is Pink Floyd's worst album besides Ummagumma, IMO.
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The Wall is Pink Floyd's worst album besides Ummagumma, IMO.
???
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The Wall is only three days away!!! :caffeine:
Trust me when I say that you will be floored (assuming you haven't spoiled yourself already).
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The Wall is only three days away!!! :caffeine:
Trust me when I say that you will be floored (assuming you haven't spoiled yourself already).
I've seen a touch of it, and have seen snippets of earlier Wall shows, but I know it's going to be amazing. Can't wait to see what Waters does with todays tech.
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The Wall is only three days away!!! :caffeine:
Trust me when I say that you will be floored (assuming you haven't spoiled yourself already).
I've seen a touch of it, and have seen snippets of earlier Wall shows, but I know it's going to be amazing. Can't wait to see what Waters does with todays tech.
It's honestly the best show (as in lighting, effects, etc...) that I've ever seen. Where are your seats?
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Just got back from the city after seeing The Machine at BB Kings, and I must say that it was one of the best shows that I have ever had the pleasure of experiencing. The music was unbelievable, the musicians were all very much into what they were doing and looked like they were having a blast, and the crowd was pretty cool too, singing along to every single lyric, guitar lick and synth riff.
I wrote each song down as they played the set because I am a nutcase and I like to keep my last.fm near perfect so here's what was played in order:
Set 1
"In the Flesh?"
"The Thin Ice"
"Another Brick in the Wall (Part One)"
"The Happiest Days of Our Lives"
"Another Brick in the Wall (Part Two)"
"Sorrow"
"Speak to Me"
"Breathe"
"Time"
"Breathe Reprise"
"Have a Cigar"
"The Fletcher Memorial Home"
"Hey You!"
"Pigs (Three Different Ones)" - this was the highlight of the night for me seeing as it's my favorite PF song off my favorite PF album. The talk box solo was fucking epic.
Set 2 - The frontman said that they wrote this set to be very psychedelic, which was awesome. Almost every song had an extended solo section, increasing the length of each of these songs by a few minutes each.
"Shine On You Crazy Diamond (Parts I-IX)" - Yes, the entire thing!
"Keep Talking"
"Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun" - They jammed on this one for quite a while, and it was truly awesome, I had completely forgotten about this song and when they started to play it I was very surprised and excited.
"Fearless" - Another one that surprised me, I absolutely adore this song. Audience interaction was also epic.
"One Slip"
"Wish You Were Here"
"Interstellar Overdrive"
"Lucifer Sam"
"Run Like Hell"
Encore:
"Careful With That Axe, Eugene"
"Brain Damage"
"Eclipse"
Over 20 songs, almost three full hours. What a night. So blown away at how good the show was.
EDIT: Also, 4,000th post!
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Was "Careful With That Axe, Eugene" the Relics version or the Ummagumma live version?
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Was "Careful With That Axe, Eugene" the Relics version or the Ummagumma live version?
I can't recall which is which, but it was the version where it starts slow and ominous, with the vocals almost whispering, building and building until there's like a huge explosion of sound that goes on for minutes. Pretty sure it's the Ummagumma version but I honestly don't remember.
EDIT: Just relistened to both versions, it was definitely the Ummagumma one.
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Hell yeah, that's the best one.
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Damn, that's one hell of a set. Color me totally fucking jealous.
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I had no idea they were playing... I might've went. Oh well, I'll probably be seeing them in February at a closer venue.
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Friends, it is almost that time again. Pink Floyd Survivor 2011 will be starting in February. Start your re-listening experience soon for best results.
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So I listened to Is There Anybody Out There?
So much better than The Wall. I love it. It's greatly improved live.
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Has anyone else here taken the time to make a complete, full studio-version of "Shine On You Crazy Diamond"?
I made my own, which clocks in at 25:42. What I did was use the Echoes version of the track, using the wind-sound cross-fade they did between parts V and VI, then tacked on the complete original album versions around that cross-fade for a seamless edit that makes it possible to enjoy the WHOLE songs (Parts I-IX) without interruption.
I'm only bringing this up now because I'm sitting here listening to it and what an amazing song it is. :hefdaddy
-Marc.
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I'm going to go see Which One's Pink on Friday. Anyone else seen them?
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Has anyone else here taken the time to make a complete, full studio-version of "Shine On You Crazy Diamond"?
I think it was done in Echos.
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Has anyone else here taken the time to make a complete, full studio-version of "Shine On You Crazy Diamond"?
I think it was done in Echos.
nah Echoes contains like a 13 minute edit
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Yeah, the Echoes version is the one you hear on the radio sometimes. It's cool that they at least tried to preserve the structure of the song, kinda like the 11-minute version of "Thick as a Brick," but it's still an edit.
I tried making my own "seamless" edit back in the vinyl days, recording it onto a cassette, just to do it. It wasn't horrible, but it wasn't exactly seamless, and I prefer to listen to the whole album anyway.
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Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here is the best album ever created so I picked that.
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Shine On is probably my favourite PF song, and I can't even listen to the original. I heard the Pulse version first, which at thirteen minutes I assume is the same as the edit, and it's the only version I've ever needed.
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Shine On is probably my favourite PF song, and I can't even listen to the original. I heard the Pulse version first, which at thirteen minutes I assume is the same as the edit, and it's the only version I've ever needed.
Agreed the DG-led Floyd does a great job with this song. But if you've never listened to pts 6-9, I highly recommend you do so. Pt6 is an awesome DG slide guitar showcase, pt7 is a reprise of pt4 with another verse, pt8 is a Rick Wright section (the only section I am not totally high on) and pt9 is an atmospheric, almost funereal section.
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Do you mean have I listened to the WYWH version? If so, yes, I had the album for years, I tried listening to it tons of times. That whole latter section added nothing of any worth to the edit version. It was like they decided to drag the song onwards and downwards for like ten more minutes.
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Shine On is probably my favourite PF song, and I can't even listen to the original. I heard the Pulse version first, which at thirteen minutes I assume is the same as the edit, and it's the only version I've ever needed.
totally high
Best way to listen to them.
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Shine On is probably my favourite PF song, and I can't even listen to the original. I heard the Pulse version first, which at thirteen minutes I assume is the same as the edit, and it's the only version I've ever needed.
totally high
Best way to listen to them.
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Do you mean have I listened to the WYWH version? If so, yes, I had the album for years, I tried listening to it tons of times. That whole latter section added nothing of any worth to the edit version. It was like they decided to drag the song onwards and downwards for like ten more minutes.
My bad, I read that as that's the only version you've ever heard. I think pts 6 and 9 are great additions, and 7 adds a nice reprise to the verses, with only pt8 seeming out of place. But like In The Presence of Enemies, I rarely would think to listen to the whole song all the way through.
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High Hopes is beyond words.
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The Wall is only three days away!!! :caffeine:
Trust me when I say that you will be floored (assuming you haven't spoiled yourself already).
lol
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High Hopes is beyond words.
QFT.
Same goes for "Keep Talking."
And "Lost for Words."
And "What Do You Want from Me."
And "Poles Apart."
Man, I love The Division Bell. :hat
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Is Roger Waters going to do this again? it seems like this is probably gonna be the last time :( I never had a chance to see it.
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Dogs is one of the best songs ever.
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Dogs is one of the best songs ever.
Indeed. Probably my favourite Floyd song.
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Dogs is a great song. "Animals" is not only my favorite PF cd, but one of my favorite cd's period
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Is Roger Waters going to do this again? it seems like this is probably gonna be the last time :( I never had a chance to see it.
Hate to say it but most probably not, after all, it won't be The Wall's anniversary for long (he's pushing it as it is).
Where do you live? He usually plays two-to-three nights in each city, to try to allow everyone who wants to see it see it.
Just here in the tri-state area, he played Madison Square Garden (NY) four or five times, Nassau Colliseum (NY) twice, Izod Center (NJ) twice, and the XL Center (CT).
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Dogs is a great song. "Animals" is not only my favorite PF cd, but one of my favorite cd's period
I've always loved the quiet part in "Dogs" where you hear the dogs barking, then they run it through the vocoder, so the chords on the keyboards are barking. Those guys were nuts.
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The guitar solo in "Pigs" is probably my favorite part of the album. I actually find that whole song better than "Dogs" though most people think it's the weakest.
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You talkin' 'bout the one with the wah-wah oink-oink pedal? That's a sweet solo! :tup
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Nah the one that closes out the song.
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The one that closes the song has a lot cleaner sound. I'm talking about the one that starts about five minutes in. It's such a dirty, gritty sound that it actually oinks like a pig.
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The guitar solo in "Pigs" is probably my favorite part of the album. I actually find that whole song better than "Dogs" though most people think it's the weakest.
YES
"Pigs" is great. My favorite off of Animals, easily.
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My first listen to Dogs was actually on Roger Waters' In The Flesh DVD a couple of years ago, I hadn't heard the Animals album yet. Needless to say I bought the album right away and I loved it. Dogs and Sheep are the favourites on it.
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Pigs is also my favorite from Animals.
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Pigs is also my favorite from Animals.
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My first listen to Dogs was actually on Roger Waters' In The Flesh DVD a couple of years ago...
That is definitely a highlight of that DVD for me. Always wondered why they didn't have Jon Carin do more Gilmour vocals, he sounds great on that song.
I need to revisit TDB. I think I had at one point but sold when I did some housecleaning to get some quick cash. I never missed AMLoR because the best stuff on that is on DSoT, and sounds much better on that CD anyway. I remember thinking the same about TDB/Pulse, so didn't mind getting rid of it.
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I listened to "Wish You Were Here" Saturday night :hat...
fucking amazing.
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I listened to "Wish You Were Here" Saturday night :hat...
fucking amazing.
EDIT: :hat Listen to Meddle! It's fuckin' ridiculous.
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Has anyone seen House of Floyd? They're coming to town in a couple weeks and I'm wondering if they're worth seeing or not.
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I listened to "Wish You Were Here" Saturday night :hat...
fucking amazing.
EDIT: :hat Listen to Meddle! It's fuckin' ridiculous.
Will do. This past Saturday my friend and I listened to a playlist that I pre-made. It had lots of Dream Theater, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Tool, The Allman Brothers Band, etc... And then we fell asleep to Led Zeppelin's Houses Of The Holy.
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Pink Floyd Survivor 2011 is up and running!
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Has anyone seen House of Floyd? They're coming to town in a couple weeks and I'm wondering if they're worth seeing or not.
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Nah I haven't. That reminds me, I missed The Machine last Friday night, and I missed The Australian Pink Floyd Show in November...
good thing I saw Roger Waters in October. :laugh:
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I would have gone to see Roger Waters if it wasn't so ridiculously expensive. Oh well...
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It was well worth it. Visually unmatched.
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Going to see the Machine next week at Lincoln Theater in Raleigh... I've heard nothing but good things so I'm looking forward to this.
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I posted this in the "Movie" thread but I'm resurrecting this thread because I picked up Pulse and watched it last night. It was absolutely amazing.
I think that was the most complex stage setup I've ever seen. I heard U2 had a pretty ridiculous one for a while, but I never saw it and since I'm not a huge U2 fan I probably never will. But the Pulse stage was incredible. They literally made all of Earl's Court part of it, which is a massive undertaking. The huge arch over the stage which is actually a display, the circle within it, and at one point the entire backdrop is a display. The pig things on the walls on either side with their own lights. The plane crash. The giant disco ball or whatever it was over the middle of the audience hit by lights from all sides, and then it opens up. Holy fucking shit!
At first I wasn't sure about all the extra performers on stage. Ideally, I like to see what just the band can do by themselves, but Pink Floyd is so layered and dense that much of it simply cannot be reproduced by three or four guys in real time. It sounded so great that I didn't worry about it after a while. One hell of a show. I was actually exhausted by the end of it. I felt like I've actually been to a Pink Floyd concert (which I never have been, and won't now).
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I watched David Gilmour in Gdansk yesterday, which was excellent. Last show for Richard Wright too.
rumborak
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I caught Remember That Night on TV recently, and it was great. That was the same tour, wasn't it? I seem to remember hearing that that was Wright's last tour. I gotta pick up the disc, since they usually cut a few songs when they show concert vids on TV.
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OH THANK YOU! I searched for this thread and couldn't find it in the first 10 pages, so I gave up lol
I'm working on listening to Pink Floyd's discography, currently at Dark Side. I was unable to finish Ummagumma, it hurt my brain... Just wondered how people would rank PF Albums? I'm sure I have a decent understanding of the top 3-5 for people, but what about the rest? List taken from Wikipedia....
The Piper at the Gates of Dawn (1967)
A Saucerful of Secrets (1968)
Soundtrack from the Film More (1969)
Ummagumma (1969)
Atom Heart Mother (1970)
Meddle (1971)
Obscured by Clouds (1972)
The Dark Side of the Moon (1973)
Wish You Were Here (1975)
Animals (1977)
The Wall (1979)
The Final Cut (1983)
A Momentary Lapse of Reason (1987)
The Division Bell (1994)
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Dark Side Of The Moon
Animals
Wish You Were Here
The Wall
Meddle
The Division Bell
A Saucerful Of Secrets
Atom Heart Mother
The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn
I haven't listened enough to the rest to form an opinion yet.
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Animals
Wish you were here
Dark side of the moon
Atom heart mother
A Saucerful of secrets
Piper at the gates of dawn
The Wall
Obscured by clouds
Meddle
The Division bell
A Momentary lapse of reason
The Final cut
Ummagumma
More
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The mid-late 70's albums are the highest rated among most fans. Most agree that this list includes Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, Animals, and The Wall, but there is a great difference in how people rank them.
I personally think The Wall is a fine album, a huge achievement for them, but don't actually listen to it as often as Meddle. This is due to a number of factors, including the fact that a lot of songs from The Wall get/got played to death on the radio, and overall it's just a really long album and I don't often have the time to listen to it in its entirety.
Ummagumma is not for everyone. I like the early spacejam rock stuff and cannot think of four better early Floyd songs to include on the live disc, and I like the individual experimentation stuff too, so overall I like Ummagumma a lot, but I completely understand people who can't get into it.
Atom Heart Mother is similar. It has the sound of a band still finding their feet, but what's really happening is that they're finding a new direction, a new sound, following the exit of Syd Barrett. I like this one, too.
After that, things drop off quite a bit for me. There are some good songs on The Final Cut, A Momentary Lapse of Reason, and The Division Bell, but overall they're just not as consistent and strong as the 70's stuff.
I usually don't like ranking albums, but since you asked, and I'm a pretty big Pink Floyd fan, here you go:
Animals
Wish You Were Here
Dark Side of the Moon
Meddle
The Wall
Ummagumma
Atom Heart Mother
Everything else
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Momentary Lapse of Reason has some good songs, but I think they suffer from their production. They sound much better on Delicate Sound of Thunder. I never got in to TDB much, though High Hopes is probably my #1 PF song.
Pulse awesomeness
I own Pulse but have watched it so rarely. I wore out my DSoT VHS to death over the years, such that it became the definitive live Floyd experience, and definitive live concert video, in my view. Of course my opinions have changed since then.
I caught Remember That Night on TV recently, and it was great. That was the same tour, wasn't it? I seem to remember hearing that that was Wright's last tour. I gotta pick up the disc, since they usually cut a few songs when they show concert vids on TV.
I believe so, as they were both to promote ‘On an Island’ and have very similar setlists. Though, of course, the concerts and presentations were very different. I have seen both, but don’t know which I prefer. I am not big on DG’s solo stuff, so never bothered to purchase either. I’ve said this before but I think his live version of Echoes better than the album version. And I’ve never been a big Bowie fan but him on CN is pretty neat.
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As awesome as Pulse is, I still wish they would have recorded an outdoor concert for it. I thought that stage show looked much better outside. The giant mirror ball rising up from in the middle of the crowd during the last solo in "Comfortably Numb" was just incredible (as opposed to hanging from the ceiling in the video).
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That sounds pretty cool, too. Presumably, they adapt the stage setup depending on the venue; I'm sure not every place can fit all of that stuff into it. But I wonder, if they already had the hardware for the ball to rise up from the floor, why come up with a rig to suspend it from the ceiling? Why not just use the floor rig?
I think the plane crash indoors was pretty cool, though. In a stadium or other outdoor venue, it might be more believeable, but realism wasn't really the point here. I just kept being amazed by all the hardware. Those giant light boxes across the front of the stage, hundreds of Vari-lights and the colors they produced, all the different display elements... damn!
It may have looked better outside, but my mind is still blown from seeing it at Earl's Court. I can't even imagine it being better, let alone much better.
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Is The Wall movie any good? I never saw the whole thing and I'm not sure if it's worth it since a lot of people thought it was boring.
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Pink Floyd fans and non-fans are both pretty divided on The Wall movie. The movie takes the darkness and surrealism of the music and story from the album and take it up a notch by adding the visual elements of film. To a lot of people it's more disturbing and/or helps them understanding the story better, to many it's just more WTF.
The movie came out after the album, obviously, but I'd think it would help a lot to know the story before watching the movie because the movie is pretty out there.
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Is The Wall movie any good? I never saw the whole thing and I'm not sure if it's worth it since a lot of people thought it was boring.
Definitely NOT boring. Lots of gratuitous nudity, good tunes, cartoons, and destruction.
Edit: I would state in fact I like the movie more than the record, although that is probably due to me overplaying The Wall in my youth
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Is The Wall movie any good? I never saw the whole thing and I'm not sure if it's worth it since a lot of people thought it was boring.
Those people are all crazy. The movie is great. In fact, the movie is what got me into not only the record (I saw the movie before hearing the record), but the band.
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The movie is awesome. Gave me a whole new appreciation of an album I already adored.
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I think Echoes is the best Pink Floyd song ever. I love the part after the whale sounds. The build up there is amazing.
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I think Echoes is the best Pink Floyd song ever. I love the part after the whale sounds. The build up there is amazing.
DAT CHROMATICALLY DESCENDING RIFF :hat
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I think Echoes is the best Pink Floyd song ever. I love the part after the whale sounds. The build up there is amazing.
DAT CHROMATICALLY DESCENDING RIFF :hat
You mean that one from Phantom of the Opera? :neverusethis:
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I think Echoes is the best Pink Floyd song ever. I love the part after the whale sounds. The build up there is amazing.
DAT CHROMATICALLY DESCENDING RIFF :hat
You mean that one from Phantom of the Opera? :neverusethis:
Yeah, don't you just hate it when Pink Floyd steals off Andrew Lloyd Webber, what a bunch of thieves! >:( ;)
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I think Echoes is the best Pink Floyd song ever. I love the part after the whale sounds. The build up there is amazing.
I used to hate that part, after that jam leading up to it, I would be on such a musical high, then would get to that part, and be all WTF??? But I've come to enjoy it in the context of the song as a whole. And the audacity of this art school band releasing a song like that in 1970(?) is awesome. Gilmour's 'Remember that Night' and 'Gdansk' version FTW!
Is The Wall movie any good? I never saw the whole thing and I'm not sure if it's worth it since a lot of people thought it was boring.
Those people are all crazy. The movie is great. In fact, the movie is what got me into not only the record (I saw the movie before hearing the record), but the band.
Wow, that would be weird, seeing the film first. I guess you could follow the main plot, but maybe not pick up on the intricacies without multiple viewings. I’ve always liked the movie. It is not flawless, but a great compliment to the album. I think the parts with Pink as a child are stronger than the later parts with the fascist transformation. That is still a little WTF? for me.
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They Gdansk version of Echoes is possibly the greatest thing any member of Pink Floyd has ever done.
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Nah I haven't. That reminds me, I missed The Machine last Friday night, and I missed The Australian Pink Floyd Show in November...
good thing I saw Roger Waters in October. :laugh:
The Machine is a reasonable substitute since you can't have the real thing. I have seen them a couple of times (and they are playing near me on my birthday in June, so I may be seeing them again in the near future). They are one of the tribute bands that I have purchased a CD (actually three) from and listen to on a somewhat regular basis.
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Going to see the Machine next week at Lincoln Theater in Raleigh... I've heard nothing but good things so I'm looking forward to this.
So I ended up missing The Machine when they came to Raleigh and I was really beat up over it...
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Just posting here to say that Meddle fucking rules. It's one of the best high albums ever.
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Just posting here to say that Meddle fucking rules. It's one of the best high albums ever.
:tup :hat
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Get immersed in Pink Floyd's back catalogue, with outtakes, rarities, and more! (https://www.brain-damage.co.uk/latest/get-immersed-in-pink-floyds-back-catalogue-with-outtakes-rarities-and.html)
You knew it was coming. The 5.1 DVDs and Blu-rays, with never-before-seen concert footage and audio recordings, and of course the six-disc version of Dark Side of the Moon.
Okay, I would never have guessed six discs, but this is Pink Floyd we're talking about. They never do anything halfway. Also, the five-disc version of Wish You Were Here and seven-disc version of The Wall.
Start saving your pennies now. You know these babies will not be cheap.
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Start saving your pennies now. You know these babies will not be cheap.
Quoted for truth.
I may check out The Wall one though.
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Get immersed in Pink Floyd's back catalogue, with outtakes, rarities, and more! (https://www.brain-damage.co.uk/latest/get-immersed-in-pink-floyds-back-catalogue-with-outtakes-rarities-and.html)
You knew it was coming. The 5.1 DVDs and Blu-rays, with never-before-seen concert footage and audio recordings, and of course the six-disc version of Dark Side of the Moon.
Okay, I would never have guessed six discs, but this is Pink Floyd we're talking about. They never do anything halfway. Also, the five-disc version of Wish You Were Here and seven-disc version of The Wall.
Start saving your pennies now. You know these babies will not be cheap.
I'm so glad I didn't buy that Box Set they released some years ago.
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"Shine On" the eight-disc set was actually quite nice for its time, 1994 I think. True, they didn't include any out-takes or alternate versions, but it was the seven main sequence albums all remastered in a pretty nice package. Plus, when you put them together on your shelf, they look like this:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/230582_1736280848764_1290888855_31570286_6746016_n.jpg)
But I'll be honest, I didn't buy it either (it was a gift).
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Get immersed in Pink Floyd's back catalogue, with outtakes, rarities, and more! (https://www.brain-damage.co.uk/latest/get-immersed-in-pink-floyds-back-catalogue-with-outtakes-rarities-and.html)
You knew it was coming. The 5.1 DVDs and Blu-rays, with never-before-seen concert footage and audio recordings, and of course the six-disc version of Dark Side of the Moon.
Okay, I would never have guessed six discs, but this is Pink Floyd we're talking about. They never do anything halfway. Also, the five-disc version of Wish You Were Here and seven-disc version of The Wall.
Start saving your pennies now. You know these babies will not be cheap.
No Lie, I'll probably spend the money and get everything I can.
I was a big collector of all things Pink Floyd in High School and I stopped before getting to college.
I'll probably pick up the Immersion edition of DSotM, WYWH, and The Wall.
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THAT IS AWESOME
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"Shine On" the eight-disc set was actually quite nice for its time, 1994 I think. True, they didn't include any out-takes or alternate versions, but it was the seven main sequence albums all remastered in a pretty nice package. Plus, when you put them together on your shelf, they look like this:
*snip*
But I'll be honest, I didn't buy it either (it was a gift).
I love it when bands do a reissue catalog where the sides of the album make a face. Iron Maiden's has Eddie, and Megadeth's make a picture of their mascot.
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Yea, I have most of the Eddie ones. Pretty cool stuff.
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- WISH YOU WERE HERE Immersion edition - November 7th, 2011
In addition to the remastered edition, and the second disc from the Experience edition with unreleased live and studio tracks, this comes with an additional three discs of goodies.
DISC 3 - DVD1, ALL AUDIO: Wish You Were Here, James Guthrie 2009 5.1 Surround Mix (previously unreleased) in standard resolution audio at 448 kbps / Wish You Were Here, James Guthrie 2009 5.1 Surround Mix (previously unreleased) in high resolution audio at 640 kbps / Wish You Were Here, Original Mix (1975) LPCM stereo / Wish You Were Here, Quad Mix (previously released only on vinyl LP/8 track tape) in standard resolution audio at 448 kbps / Wish You Were Here, Quad Mix (previously released only on vinyl LP/8 track tape) in high resolution audio at 640 kbps
DISC 4 - DVD 2, AUDIO VISUAL: Concert Screen Films: Shine On You Crazy Diamond Intro / Shine On You Crazy Diamond / Welcome To The Machine animated clip / Storm Thorgerson short film. Concert Screen Films play in stereo and 5.1 Surround Sound
DISC 5 - BLURAY: AUDIO: Wish You Were Here, James Guthrie 2009 5.1 Surround Mix (previously unreleased) high resolution audio at 96 kHz/24-bit / Wish You Were Here, Original stereo mix (1975) mastered in high resolution audio at 96 kHz/24-bit / Concert Screen films: Shine On You Crazy Diamond Intro / Shine On You Crazy Diamond / Welcome To The Machine animated clip / Storm Thorgerson short film
This set comes with a 40 page, 27cm x 27cm booklet designed by Storm Thorgerson, an exclusive photo book edited by Jill Furmanovsky, an exclusive Storm Thorgerson Art Print, 5 x Collectors’ Cards featuring art and comments by Storm Thorgerson, replica of Wish You Were Here tour ticket, replica of Wish You Were Here backstage pass, scarf, 3 x clear marbles, 9 x coasters (unique to this box) featuring early Storm Thorgerson design sketches, and a 12 page credits booklet.
Holy crap. I couldn’t even begin to imagine what value to place on something like that, but amazon.com currently has it listed at $100USD. I might be interested in The Wall immersion edition, but otherwise my checkbook thinks this is a bit of overkill.
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It is definitely overkill. I'm a big Pink Floyd fan myself, but seriously, how many different mixes do you need? The remastered stereo mix on CD for in the car or ripping to iPod, and the 5.1 on Blu-ray.
The Quad mix is nice, but there's certainly enough room on a BD for both the 4.0 and the 5.1, and the 2.0 is just redundant. So is having both DVD and BD in the same package. So is having both a hi-res and standard res version on the same disc. Are you ever actually going to choose the standard res version when you can just select the hi-res?
The concert screen films are nice, but they just play over the 5.1, so again there's redudancy. And in my initial excitement, I read the descriptions too quickly; I thought we were getting actual concert video. No.
IMO Rush did it right. A redbook CD and either a DVD-A or BD with the 5.1 plus goodies. In the case of Pink Floyd, rarities and/or live versions on a third disc. That's all you actually need. It's almost like they intentionally introduced all the redundancy just to crank up the price.
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Where's the "- ANIMALS Immersion edition"? :-[
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Yeah, it is interesting that they "skipped" Animals for now. My guess is that they wanted to start with the most popular ones first, as these are definitely going to be expensive to produce and they'd like to recoup some money before putting more into the later releases. Also, if the most popular ones don't sell well enough to recoup their costs, they can cut their losses and not produce the others.
Don't get me wrong; Animals is my favorite and I'd love to see it in this initial offerring as well, but I can understand the business reasoning. They can't do them all at once, so they start with the ones with the best chance of selling first.
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And I understand what you are saying Orbert, but using that same logic I think they should have either done just Dark Side and The Wall initially, or they should have done that entire 4 album run. Seems silly to exclude one right in the middle.
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Yeah, but tell that to the bean counters.
Think of it this way: If DT ever reached the point where they'd reissue everything like that, they might start with Images & Words, Awake, and SFAM. They wouldn't include FII just because it was in the middle. It has its fans, but overall it is significantly less popular. Same with Animals. Gotta start by maximizing ROI.
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My biggest complaint right now is that they seem to have the full 1974 concert available and are not releasing it separate from these special editions (and the "Echoes" encore is missing, which I assume will show up if there is an expanded Meddle). Other than that, I am finding it hard at this point in time to justify the Immersion box sets. Too much redunancy that I will likely watch/listing to once or twice before relegating the whole box to the shelf. DSoTM does have an additional CD that is somewhat intriguing and some of the live footage has my curiosity piqued, but I would rather see complete concerts or a live DVD set similar to what Led Zeppelin released. I really don't like how the live stuff is randomly place.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNRSChj6w4c
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/pink-floyd-reunite-at-roger-waters-show-in-london-20110512
People, Pink Floyd reunited today and most of you didn't notice. A plague in all your houses.
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Orbert - I said the same exact thing to my friend earlier today. I might get the WYWH package, but the Dark Side one? Meh. I already got the SACD 5.1 mix of that... plus the CD and the album. I really don't need that
However, the packaging does sound really cool, and I'd love to have ONE of them. I'll go with WYWH, or Animals if they end up announcing that one since it's one of my favorite albums of all time. They didn't even include a 5.1 mix in the Wall's package, yet they are charging the same price which is absolutely ridiculous.
Also, cool about the reunion... too bad it came a few years too late. :(
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People, Pink Floyd reunited today and most of you didn't notice.
They did? Technically, Roger Waters hasn't been a member of Pink Floyd since the mid 80s, so the most recent Floyd reunion was still only in 2007. ;) :P
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNRSChj6w4c
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/pink-floyd-reunite-at-roger-waters-show-in-london-20110512
People, Pink Floyd reunited today and most of you didn't notice. A plague in all your houses.
I saw that, sucks that it didn't happen at the Paris show I'm going to, but at least there is footage of it.
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The shows at London were recorded, can't wait for the DVD!!!!
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The shows at London were recorded, can't wait for the DVD!!!!
Awesome, I would love to see some footage of that reunion :tup
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Also, cool about the reunion... too bad it came a few years too late. :(
This...
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The shows at London were recorded, can't wait for the DVD!!!!
w00t, can't wait to pick them up
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A fan-filmed video of Comfortably Numb with Gilmour here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNRSChj6w4c
:hefdaddy
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OR you could just click the same link I posted ;)
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People, Pink Floyd reunited today and most of you didn't notice.
They did? Technically, Roger Waters hasn't been a member of Pink Floyd since the mid 80s, so the most recent Floyd reunion was still only in 2007. ;) :P
They did, Pink Floyd played only one song: Outside the Wall.
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OR you could just click the same link I posted ;)
Ah I missed yours :P
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Wow, I guess it was blogged a couple hours in advance, but I assume for most people that was one damn awesome surprise. And he goofed the lyrics, nonetheless.
Also, 'Outside the Wall' with a slightly bemused looking Nick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTHX6VsU2ZA
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This is a professional, HD, Roger Waters approved video. Enjoy.
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150192580970737&oid=101052049938609&comments
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This is a professional, HD, Roger Waters approved video. Enjoy.
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150192580970737&oid=101052049938609&comments
Wow, got shivers... Just magical. Thank you.
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My cousin told me about some agreement and favor that the two worked out for charity I think. I'll ask him about it.
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That video was amazing.
Regarding the "reunion" -- IMO the word can have different meanings. If one member of the band is now dead, there can never be a proper reunion. But if the other three get back together, then that's the closest it's going to get. Calling it a reunion in that case is easier than saying "reunion of the remaining living members" or something.
So the last proper reunion was and will always be Live 8. But I'd say that given the history of the band, any time you can get Waters and Gilmour together, especially with Nick Mason on board, you could call it a reunion.
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Going through one of my The Wall binge phases at the moment, I'm really looking forward to the third disc of the deluxe or whatever it's called edition, with any luck it'll have the Final Cut songs as they were meant to be; it should also mean I will finally be able to make my extended Wall cycle, in studio quality :loser:
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It's pouring with rain today, it gets me in the mood to watch the Pulse DVD tonight.
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A Momentary Lapse of Reason has begun in the lovely Pink Floyd Survivor. Get over there and vote!
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Went with The Dark Side of the Moon, Animals and The Wall...
It was hard to give up on Wish You Were Here and The Division Bell though... and yeah it was kind of late.....
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The solo in Dogs is the best. Ever.
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It's pouring with rain today, it gets me in the mood to watch the Pulse DVD tonight.
I've got this DVD but never watched it. Is it good?
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It's pouring with rain today, it gets me in the mood to watch the Pulse DVD tonight.
I've got this DVD but never watched it. Is it good?
It's great! If you've never seen the VHS then watch it ASAP.
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The solo in Dogs is the best. Ever.
It is really good..... I'm a huge fan of Gilmour.. but I have to say I love this performance as well... the one in the In the Flesh tour....
the left handed guitarist Doyle Bramhall II...
https://youtu.be/4SpvfSDL-is (https://youtu.be/4SpvfSDL-is)
and dying for PIGS / 3 DIFFERENT ONES too....
It's pouring with rain today, it gets me in the mood to watch the Pulse DVD tonight.
I've got this DVD but never watched it. Is it good?
it is amazing!!!
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It's pouring with rain today, it gets me in the mood to watch the Pulse DVD tonight.
I've got this DVD but never watched it. Is it good?
One of my favourite concert DVDs ever. Highly recommended.
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I've been reading The Illustrated Biography PINK FLOYD by Marie Clayton:
https://www.amazon.com/Pink-Floyd-Classic-Rare-Unseen/dp/1907176144/ref=sr_1_12?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1312903253&sr=1-12
It's a tad over 200 pages but more like only 50 since most pages only contain no more than 1/3 of actual text with the rest being really neat photos from throughout their career. The pages are quite thick and eye-pleasingly glossy and I got it hardcover(not even sure if paperback exists, let alone if it could even do justice to what the point of what the book is about, photos, after all) for only ten bucks at Barnes and Noble's clearance rack.
I saw the only Amazon.com review of it give it a 2/5 rating because of what they thought were inconsistent dates listed for some pics(don't know if this is true) but for the price and generally good quality of the book I've been very pleased as now when I take dumps I'm biting my lips in anticipation of the next page and not just due to abdominal pain.
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ordered right away... thanks...
link for the UK:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pink-Floyd-Illustrated-Biography-Classic/dp/1907176144/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1312904766&sr=1-1 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pink-Floyd-Illustrated-Biography-Classic/dp/1907176144/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1312904766&sr=1-1)
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No prob. This may sound weird but I recommend using it as a bathroom book or at least reading it in several short sessions since it can easily be knocked out in a few hours which may leave you feeling somewhat jipped.
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No prob. This may sound weird but I recommend using it as a bathroom book or at least reading it in several short sessions since it can easily be knocked out in a few hours which may leave you feeling somewhat jipped.
I hear you!
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I love all their stuff, except for The Final Cut (which just makes me insanely unhappy), but my favourite three are Dark Side Of The Moon, Meddle and Obscured By Clouds.
Dark Side Of The Moon is just perfect to my mind, especially the use of slide guitar on Breathe and The Great Gig, and also I love the keyboards on it too. (Pink Floyd needed more Richard Wright on albums after it, I think).
Meddle would be worth the purchase even if it was just Echoes and One Of These Days, particularly as Echoes is my favourite song. It just has everything. I do like the rest of the album too, especially A Pillow Of Winds, but Echoes and One Of These Days are just brilliant.
Obscured By Clouds has a few moments which aren't quite as good as the rest of it, but in general I love it, especially the opening instrumentals.
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Dark Side-It got me into the Floyd and paved the way for me to get into numerous other classic rock bands I'd previously written off simply cuz I was so fed up with hearing folks try to sell them on me in overbearing ways(Zeppelin, Doors, Hendrix, and Beatles also fell into this category and I've gotten into all of them to varying degrees since.) Also it was the soundtrack to the summer where I made the transition from casual to everyday stoner. I miss those days [/cleaner lungs now]
Animals-Three absolute beastly good epics. 'Nuff said but just to elaborate a tad I will say I loved figuring out the entire bassline to Sheep in only two listens and Dogs is such a beautifully gentle blanket for my ears that I can forgive SW for ripping it off for Time Flies.
Wish You Were Here-Tossup between this and Meddle. I had every intention of making Meddle the bronze medal in this trio(seriously didn't mean the awful pun) but Seamus and San Tropez weigh it down like an anchor for me so, despite Echoes far and away being my alltime Floyd fave, I had to go for Wish You Were Here since the only track I don't really care for is the title track. It ain't bad imo but I really hate most acoustic songs that are dominated by cowboy chords(open chords.) Just spent too many nights in bars with open mic going well till that one redneck asshole(come to the south and you'll see) gets up and plays five straight songs where no other chord beyond C, D, or G should even dare try to find its way into one of their lost my girl/lost my money/I gotta be free so ah play mah geetar-style musical abortions. Also it's the only Floyd song my cover band plays which pisses me off since there are numerous better options. Have a Cigar is a fantastic song too thanks to that awesome keyboard lick in the intro.
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I hate songs that use those chords too, but that song is beyond amazing.
And woot I'm not the only one who says that about Time Flies. :lol
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I finished my Pink Floyd collection this year. So I'm wondering, do you guys think the new re-releases are going to be worth double-dipping for, or should I just stick to what I have now?
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Stick with what you already have is what I'd do... Or is that am doing? I also completed my collection in the last year (on my 21st birthday no less... Good times)
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Dogs is such a beautifully gentle blanket for my ears that I can forgive SW for ripping it off for Time Flies.
FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU I HATE WHEN PEOPLE SAY THAT. IT IS NOT EVEN REMOTELY THE SAME
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Dogs is such a beautifully gentle blanket for my ears that I can forgive SW for ripping it off for Time Flies.
FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU I HATE WHEN PEOPLE SAY THAT. IT IS NOT EVEN REMOTELY THE SAME
I agree. The mere coincidence that two people whom have never met IRL or discussed either song before now yet have that opinion is surely something that can be overlooked. :heart Don't beat me up if I see you at a meetup.
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Has anyone seen Roger Waters in his current tour? I wasn't going to see him because I always thought that listening to Pink Floyd without Gilmore wasn't worth it but he just announced he will be doing a 9th!!!!!! show here in BA and I though, fuck, I should probably go.
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Dogs is such a beautifully gentle blanket for my ears that I can forgive SW for ripping it off for Time Flies.
FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU I HATE WHEN PEOPLE SAY THAT. IT IS NOT EVEN REMOTELY THE SAME
I agree. The mere coincidence that two people whom have never met IRL or discussed either song before now yet have that opinion is surely something that can be overlooked. :heart Don't beat me up if I see you at a meetup.
I might get beaten up too.... but.... :omg:
Has anyone seen Roger Waters in his current tour? I wasn't going to see him because I always thought that listening to Pink Floyd without Gilmore wasn't worth it but he just announced he will be doing a 9th!!!!!! show here in BA and I though, fuck, I should probably go.
I have... it is worth it... huge production... great show... and he always tours with great musicians....
you wouldn't regret.....
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Dogs is such a beautifully gentle blanket for my ears that I can forgive SW for ripping it off for Time Flies.
FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU I HATE WHEN PEOPLE SAY THAT. IT IS NOT EVEN REMOTELY THE SAME
I thought SW had gone on record as stating that it was a very intentional "homage" to Dogs...something about Time Flies being based on personal experiences and Animals being the PF album he was listening to the most at that time of his life.
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that explains.... and changes everything....
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Has anyone seen Roger Waters in his current tour? I wasn't going to see him because I always thought that listening to Pink Floyd without Gilmore wasn't worth it but he just announced he will be doing a 9th!!!!!! show here in BA and I though, fuck, I should probably go.
Thought this tour was over. Yes, definitely go if you can if you are at all a fan of The Wall. The production alone makes it worthwhile, and since DG doesn't sing as much on this album as on others, you won't miss him as much as you might otherwise. It feels like a RW show more than a PF one, but he is having so much fun and the show will kick your ass so much it doesn't matter.
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DSOTM, WYWH, WALL
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I listened to the WYWH remaster earlier this week and it blew me away! I'm not a fan of the whole "remastering" trend lately, but hell... if people are gonna put out remasters like THIS ONE, I am all for it!
Can't wait to listen to the rest of the remasters, and actually considering getting the WYWH boxset
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I haven't listened to the remasters yet but I plan to pick up the remaster for The Wall and see how it is and then possibly buy some of the others.
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I just purchased my ticket for Roger Waters!! Now I have to wait until March 20th....
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you're gonna love the show!!! amazing production! :metal
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Guys what's up with that Discovery remastered stuff? How's it different or better than the last time they released a remastered box set? Cause I still have that! It was just a few years ago.
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To me, the big draw of the new stuff is the 5.1 surround mix, which are said to sound really great. I've heard that the new remasters sound great even in 2.0, but I'm not one of those who always has to have the latest version of something, especially when what I've got already sounds pretty darned good.
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I have all of the Discovery edition and they sound really well, more alive. Although I want to listen to the special editions of The Wall, DSOTM and WYWH.
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I discovered Floyd through this Discovery series (pun intended) and I have the albums from Meddle to The Wall (excluding Obscured...). They were a great band! :tup I'm not a big fan of psychedelic rock and I've heard negative comments about the post-Wall stuff so I'm not sure if I'll get more albums by them (on the top of that, my wallet isn't bottomless!) but out of the ones I have my favorites are WYWH, Animals and The Wall so I think they got progressively better.
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You should give their early albums a listen. I'm sure you'll find something likable in Atom heart mother. :tup
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What are your thoughts about Dark Side of The Moon?
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What are your thoughts about Dark Side of The Moon?
A very good album, I see why it's so popular. However, I prefer the 3 that came after it and I don't care much about On the Run but it's a great record nonetheless.
You should give their early albums a listen. I'm sure you'll find something likable in Atom heart mother. :tup
Ok, thanks for recommendation! I'll check those out.
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Regarding the remasters; I'm getting the Foot in The Door thing and Animals, that should do. If I find the remasters on those 2 cds "exceptional" then I'll get WYWH & The Wall.
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Dark Side of the Moon :heart
I've got my rituals... dim the lights... sip your wine... make sure nothing gets in the way.... think through the album.... The sun is the same in a relative way, but you're older..... Shorter of breath and one day closer to death total brain damage....
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The sun is the same in a relative way, but you're older..... Shorter of breath and one day closer to death total brain damage....
:heart
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indeed :heart
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Time...
Absolutely the greatest song ever made.
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Time...
Absolutely the greatest song ever made.
Dat solo.
Bought the Discovery boxset for my father's birthday today. Can't wait to listen to it!
I also bought myself a DSOTM mug ;D ;D
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I finally saw the DSOTM and WYWH immersion box sets. Holy shit if I had the money... :millahhhh
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Meddle
Dark Side
The Wall
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Had initially posted this in the chat thread, but...
(https://www.nickeh.com/images/pfpuzzle01.jpg)
(https://www.nickeh.com/images/pfpuzzle02.jpg)
(https://www.nickeh.com/images/pfpuzzle03.jpg)
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Awesome
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Brilliant. I love how you completed The Wall first. :lol
I listened to Atom heart mother today. Damn, what a brilliant record. :heart
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Brilliant. I love how you completed The Wall first. :lol
I listened to Atom heart mother today. Damn, what a brilliant record? :heart
You sure?
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Atom Heart Mother is pretty yuck. Meddle is great though.
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I love Atom heart.
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I freaking love Atom Heart Mother. The title track makes me think Sgt. Pepper's leading a psychedelic army or something.
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Summer 68 is rediculously underrated. Amazing song.
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Atom Heart is amazing. So is Meddle. Only PF album I don't really like is The Wall.
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I love pretty much all of them. Ranking time:
1. Animals
2. WYWH
3. DSOTM
4. Atom heart mother
5. Meddle
6. The Division Bell
7. The Wall
8. Obscured By clouds
The rest
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Atom Heart is amazing. So is Meddle. Only PF album I don't really like is The Wall.
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I love pretty much all of them. Ranking time:
1. Animals
2. WYWH
3. DSOTM
4. Atom heart mother
We have the same top four, man! :tup
And yeah, it's interesting that the opinions on AHM are so divided. I personaly love it.
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Atom Heart Mother is one of the oddballs in the catalogue. I think of it as something of a transitional album. They'd always done longer tunes and shorter tunes, but the longer ones tended to be very open, spacey things with a lot of improvision, almost jam-band stuff. The shorter ones, I always think of Syd's silly British things like "Bike". But with AHM, both sides were evolving and getting more depth. The longer cuts were actually taking form, and AHM might be seen as the first really serious step towards prog.
So anyway, because of all that, it's not surprising that it divides people. There are definitely parts that don't work for me, but others parts I think are brilliant.
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Summer '68 and Fat Old Sun are both great, but I can do without if and Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast. Atom Heart Mother's title track is certainly interesting; the main theme is pretty sweet, and there are some other great moments, but it gets pretty tedious after a while. It's one of those songs that's good to listen to in the background like once a year. :lol
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Brilliant. I love how you completed The Wall first. :lol
I listened to Atom heart mother today. Damn, what a brilliant record? :heart
You sure?
I just realized I put the question mark, I don't know why. Maybe I should have said ''right?'' ;D
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Ummagumma
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Ummagumma
Was listening to this last night. "Careful With That Axe Eugene" is a great song.
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It's such a crazy album. Especially, Several Species...
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yea it's a weird album, it's not my favorite. On the studio side "Sysyphus" and "The Narrow Way" are the only things really worth listening to.
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I enjoy Grantchester meadows. Nothing on that album blows me away, though, some of it's not too listenable actually... But I still like it better than More.
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Summer '68 and Fat Old Sun are both great, but I can do without if and Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast. Atom Heart Mother's title track is certainly interesting; the main theme is pretty sweet, and there are some other great moments, but it gets pretty tedious after a while. It's one of those songs that's good to listen to in the background like once a year. :lol
I love If and the title track. Alans isnt as good but its become kinda a joke between me and one of my friends who is a huge floyd fan. We'll say stuff like "hey is alan coming over for breakfast tomorrow" "yeah but he usually only stays about 13 minutes. and he always eats all the porridge" and our other friends get really confused haha :)
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Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast has sent me on a freaking bacon run every time I've ever listened to it. That sizzle sound!
I do enjoy the whole piece.
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True on all accounts. So soothing and serene.
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I thought this was cool
(https://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/1366938_460s.jpg)
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Took me a second, but yeah that's pretty cool.
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Brilliant.
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I bought A Saucerful of Secrets recently. The title-track is too noisy for my taste but the first 4 songs are pretty good and Jugband Blues isn't bad either.
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I can't get into the noisy title track neither, but I think all others are really good. :smiley:
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A Saucerful of Secrets (the song) is far better on Ummagumma than it is on the studio album. The last few minutes alone are absolutely amazing.
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I just got my ticket for Roger Waters! :metal
Now I only have to wait for another 2 months
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:metal
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My goal for this year: Learn PF's Entire Discog on Guitar. I've already completed Meddle, The Dark Side of the Moon, WYWH, Animals, PATGOD, Atom Heart Mother and The Wall
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I only have albums from the Pink Floyd Waters era, from DSoTM to The Wall. Do people recommend I go forward next or backward in the discography?
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I only have albums from the Pink Floyd Waters era, from DSoTM to The Wall. Do people recommend I go forward next or backward in the discography?
Give Meddle a spin, and check out The Division Bell too.
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A Saucerful of Secrets (the song) is far better on Ummagumma than it is on the studio album. The last few minutes alone are absolutely amazing.
This, and "Careful With That Ax Eugene" is a killer track.
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I only have albums from the Pink Floyd Waters era, from DSoTM to The Wall. Do people recommend I go forward next or backward in the discography?
Give Meddle a spin, and check out The Division Bell too.
:tup
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My goal for this year: Learn PF's Entire Discog on Guitar. I've already completed Meddle, The Dark Side of the Moon, WYWH, Animals, PATGOD, Atom Heart Mother and The Wall
You're pretty much done. ;D
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I enjoy The Division Bell more than Meddle.
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What album does Learning to Fly belong to?
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What album does Learning to Fly belong to?
A Momentary Lapse Of Reason
It's my favourite song on that album.
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I enjoy The Division Bell more than Meddle.
As do I. :tup :tup
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I only have albums from the Pink Floyd Waters era, from DSoTM to The Wall. Do people recommend I go forward next or backward in the discography?
You are good, just stop where you are :biggrin:
Seriously, though, other Floyd fans are bigger on Meddle and Division Bell than I am. Though Echoes is a top 5 Floyd song for me, the rest of Meddle doesn’t do much for me. TDB and AMLoR have some decent to good songs, but for my money, you’re better off buying Delicate Sound of Thunder or Pulse.
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I enjoy The Division Bell more than Meddle.
As do I. :tup :tup
and I do. :tup
Division Bell is so special for me!
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What album does Learning to Fly belong to?
A Momentary Lapse Of Reason
It's my favourite song on that album.
Hell yeah!
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What album does Learning to Fly belong to?
A Momentary Lapse Of Reason
It's my favourite song on that album.
One Slip became my favorite from that album after I went to the Pink Floyd laser show a few years back and it was such a memorable experience what they did with it visually. The first couple of minutes of the song were amazing.
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What album does Learning to Fly belong to?
A Momentary Lapse Of Reason
It's my favourite song on that album.
Hell yeah!
+1, always been my favorite as well.
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Listened to all of The Division Bell on a drive this morning and it is still just fantastic. Some can piss and moan about the lack of Roger Waters and his lyrics all they want, but the songwriting on that record is fantastic, and it is a great record by any measure. :tup :tup
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Why anyone would complain about the lack of Roger Waters is beyond me, but I agree.
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Well, Roger Waters' era is Pink Floyds best so some may argue that him leaving the band was a mayor blow but the albums they got out without RW were really good.
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Went to see The Wall yesterday. It was without a doubt the best show I've ever seen though it wasn't the best concert. Luckily I will be able to relive it since they were filming the show to release a Live DVD :metal
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I don't care about the lack of Waters on those albums. They're just plain meh to me, beside a couple of songs.
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Pink Floyd is still in my top 3 bands of all time.
Having said that, everything before Meddle is just... meh. If you want to rescue the few stand out songs before Meddle simply buy Echoes; such a great compilation album.
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Pink Floyd is still in my top 3 bands of all time.
Having said that, everything before Meddle is just... meh. If you want to rescue the few stand out songs before Meddle simply buy Echoes; such a great compilation album.
I've struggled with this myself: placing a band in my top ~5 when I really only like less than half their studio output (4 of their album). But I have listened to the DSoT album and watched the VHS tape(!) more than any live album/video by any band, which ultimately shaped my music interests more than any other album. But even their post-split work doesn't impress me much, especially when matched with their 'big 4'. Is it ok to list them as among my favorites when I dislike the majority of their work?
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Piper and Atom Heart Mother are both fantastic, while Saucerful is great. You be crazy.
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I consider Pink Floyd one of my favorite bands even if I don't listen to half their albums. Every one of them has at least something great, and the ones I do listen to are IMO just about perfect. Their mid-70's run was phenomenal. This is not diminished by what came before, or after.
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Piper is one of the very few albums to actively annoy me every time I listen to it. I see (and hear) very few redeeming qualities from that album. Saucerful is pretty cool and AHM is alright, not a favorite but there's some cool stuff on there.
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I typically listen to the following on a regular basis:
Meddle
Obscured by clouds
Dark Side
Wish you were here
Animals
The rest I really don't listen to that much or at all.
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Piper and AHM are my 4th and 5th favourite PF albums, respectively...
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i really love Pink Floyd... my dad listens to them and i grew up with that band... man it was awesome!!
i remember in our long drive trip he puts "The Wall" album and holy hell :metal and also Dark Side of The Moon is my favorite album from them... I :heart Pink Floyd..
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Recently I've gained apprectiation for Obscured By Clouds. There's a couple of great songs on that one.
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Recently I've gained apprectiation for Obscured By Clouds. There's a couple of great songs on that one.
Yep! Wots uh the deal is amazing!
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Oh, hell yes, and the two instrumentals that open that album. So... moody...
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I've tried to like Piper, but it just doesn't do much for me. All of the Barrett Early Singles are enjoyable tunes, though. Songs like Arnold Layne, Candy and a Currant Bun, See Emily Play, Apples and Oranges and It Would Be So Nice are all really good tunes. Most of my favorite pre-Dark Side Floyd songs are those early Barrett non-album singles, plus Echoes (of course), Free Four, Summer '68, Fat Old Sun, Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun and the live version of A Saucerful of Secrets.
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I agree with you, KevShmev, about the early Syd stuff. I'm not too fond of The Piper, but the early singles were great. See Emily Play is my favourite song from the Syd era, and Arnold Layne is great as well. Too bad they weren't included on The Piper, it would have made it a better album IMHO.
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There are strokes of brilliance pre-Dark Side (most of Meddle and several earlier tracks), but in general I'm in the crowd of people that have just found Dark Side and later so brilliant I basically overlook the early years.
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So I'd call myself a casual Floyd fan. I have the standards (Dark Side, WYWH, Animals, The Wall) and love them all with WYWH being my favorite. I've been meaning to delve into their pre-Dark Side era- what do you guys think should be my go-to album to start that journey? Meddle?
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Start with Meddle, it's the strongest album pre-Dark Side.
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Cool man, thanks! :tup
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Pink Floyd is still in my top 3 bands of all time.
Having said that, everything before Meddle is just... meh. If you want to rescue the few stand out songs before Meddle simply buy Echoes; such a great compilation album.
I've struggled with this myself: placing a band in my top ~5 when I really only like less than half their studio output (4 of their album). But I have listened to the DSoT album and watched the VHS tape(!) more than any live album/video by any band, which ultimately shaped my music interests more than any other album. But even their post-split work doesn't impress me much, especially when matched with their 'big 4'. Is it ok to list them as among my favorites when I dislike the majority of their work?
For me their psychedelic era is just a warmup phase before they had to learn how to become this new group with this new leader... that's why I also consider A Momentary Lapse of Reason to be sub-par, a warmup to the awesomeness that The Division Bell is.
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Is it wrong that I think ADSOTM is just okay? I think the other members of the "Big 4" are miles ahead of it...
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I don't know, I've never heard of ADSotM. :p
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TDSotM
Happy?
NiaC
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Happy?
Nope. :p
It's DSotM, there is no A or The.
And I do not agree with you, to me The Wall has always been the least great of the bunch.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_dark_side_of_the_moon
There's a "The" in there.
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Yeah, the album title officially starts with "The". In speech people (band members included) often drop it, but it's there.
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Spine of my CD just says Dark Side of the Moon, never had heard of it referred to as The DSotM before.
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The Wiki never lies.
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Wikipedia, iTunes, and the official Pink Floyd site ( https://pinkfloyd.com/music/albums.php ) all have the The.
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Happy?
Nope. :p
It's DSotM, there is no A or The.
And I do not agree with you, to me The Wall has always been the least great of the bunch.
I've always HEARD it as "Dark Side Of The Moon", but more often than not, SEEN it typed/printed as "The Dark Side Of The Moon".
Also, I agree with your sentiment about The Wall being the weakest album of the Moon-to-Wall run. It's got some great stuff, but the 3 albums that came before it are just top-notch. Oddly enough, the same might apply to Genesis as they approached their concept/rock-opera double-album: of the Cryme-to-Lamb run, Lamb has some great stuff but more often than not, fans might choose either of the other three over Lamb.
-Marc.
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Regarding the 4 really popular ones:
Animals
Wish
Moon
Wall
I'd totally put Piper above all of them, but that's all just how I feel.
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You learn new shit every day. Looking at amazon all the old versions are listed without The, but the new set that just came out is listed with it. I really had never seen it with The.
I think the problem with the Wall is that it's too long. Unlike the previous three albums which had absolutely no filler, The Wall has its share. And while it generally reaches higher highs than those other albums, the filler drags it down.
Edit: Shake, that's exactly how I rank them.
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What songs do you consider to be filler?
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I couldn't resist.
1. Animals
2. Wish You Were Here
3. Dark Side of the Moon
4. Piper at the Gates of Dawn
5. Atom Heart Mother
6. Meddle
7. The Final Cut
8. Saucerful of Secrets
9. Obscured by Clouds
10. The Division Bell
11. Ummagumma
12. Momentary Lapse of Reason
13. More
14. The Wall
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Wow, people really don't like The Wall. I consider it the greatest album of all time.
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1. Animals
2. Wish You Were Here
3. Meddle
4. Dark Side of the Moon
5. Atom Heart Mother
6. The Wall
7. Obscured by Clouds
8. The Final Cut
9. Saucerful of Secrets
10. The Division Bell
11. Piper
I've only listened to Ummagumma and More once each, haven't heard Momentary Lapse of Reason
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Wow, people really don't like The Wall. I consider it the greatest album of all time.
I actually do like it. Just less so then the others.
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Wow, people really don't like The Wall. I consider it the greatest album of all time.
I actually do like it. Just less so then the others.
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Not sure if this has been posted yet, but this is a really interesting collection of unreleased demos and extras, all sorted into volumes for easy navigation.
https://www.hokafloyd.com/CD2/ATFS/A_TREE_FULL_OF_SECRETS%20.htm (https://www.hokafloyd.com/CD2/ATFS/A_TREE_FULL_OF_SECRETS%20.htm)
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Ranking time?
1. Dark Side Of The Moon
2. Animals
3. Wish You Were Here
4. Meddle
5. The Wall
6. A Saucerful Of Secrets
7. The Division Bell
8. Obscured By Clouds
9. Atom Heart Mother
10. A Momentary Lapse Of Reason
11. The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn
12. More
13. Ummagumma
14. The Final Cut
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1. Animals
2. Wish You Were Here
3. Dark Side of the Moon
4. The Division Bell
5. Atom Heart Mother
6. Meddle
7. Obscured by Clouds
8. A Saucerful of Secrets
9. The Wall
10. A Momentary Lapse of Reason
11. The Final Cut
12. Piper
13. More
14. Ummagumma
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Not sure if this has been posted yet, but this is a really interesting collection of unreleased demos and extras, all sorted into volumes for easy navigation.
https://www.hokafloyd.com/CD2/ATFS/A_TREE_FULL_OF_SECRETS%20.htm (https://www.hokafloyd.com/CD2/ATFS/A_TREE_FULL_OF_SECRETS%20.htm)
So, can you download them or what?
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There's a Pink Floyd tribute band out here on the West Coast called House of Floyd that I saw a couple of years back. They do a really good job performing the material and bringing a good stage show. I'm starting to go through a Floyd jonesing phase, so I may have to see this guys soon and get my fix.
Anyone out West who is interested (they generally tour CA, OR, WA, AZ, NV, and CO): https://www.houseoffloyd.com/
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I'm seeing Austrailian Pink Floyd this Tuesday, should be good!
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I saw The Pink Floyd Experience perform last year - funny they are back in town this weekend. Pretty decent show. They played the entire Animals album.
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Wow, people really don't like The Wall. I consider it the greatest album of all time.
I think my issue with The Wall is that I had such high expectations going into it. I had Dark side and Wish you were here for a few years before I got the Wall and loved them to death. Everybody kept saying "well, if you like them then you will love The Wall, you just have to get The Wall", and I went in with unrealistic expectations I guess. There's something about it which just really rubs me the wrong way.
1. Wish you were Here
2. Dark side of the Moon
3. Animals
4. Meddle
5. Obscured by Clouds
6. Atom Heart Mother
7. Momentary Lapse of Reason
8. Saucerful of Secrets
9. Piper at the gates of dawn
10. Division Bell
11. The Wall
12. The final Cut
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The Wall is awesome. I also abnormally like The Final Cut. I'll just rank the big 4 here:
Animals
Wish you Were Here
Dark Side of the Moon
The Wall
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Animals
The Division Bell
Wish You Were Here
Dark Side of the Moon
The Wall
The Final Cut
Meddle
A Momentary Lapse of Reason
The Rest
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Okay I feel like I should get more into PF. I only have the big 4 and Meddle.
Ranking:
1. The Wall
2. Wish You Were Here
3. Animals
4. Meddle
5. Dark Side of the Moon
What's next?
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The Division Bell. There is no other correct answer.
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The Division Bell has so many great songs. I think I gave everything a 4 or 5 on iTunes. But for some reason I'm never in the mood to listen to the whole thing.
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The Division Bell doesn't even have Waters on it. How can it possibly be good?
All right, I'll check it out. But honestly I think Waters' ideas for PF's direction and music were way better than Gilmour's. I mean, The Wall's my #1 album, so....
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The Division Bell doesn't even have Waters on it. How can it possibly be good?
Must... contain... rage...
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Well if you love Roger Waters, go The Final Cut.
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I like quite a few songs on The Division Bell, but Take It Back and Coming Back To Life stop the album dead for me every time I listen to them. Those two are such boring duds.
Marooned is still one of my favorite instrumentals... ever.
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The Division Bell for the most part is just good for me, but High Hopes is a top 5 PF song IMO.
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Take it Back is awesome.
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The Division Bell doesn't even have Waters on it. How can it possibly be good?
Because all of the songs are great. Yes, all of them.
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I wish I loved The Division bell as much as you guys... :-\
My top 5:
1. Animals
2. Wish you were here
3. Dark side of the moon
4. Atom heart mother
5. The Wall
Speaking of The Wall, it has to be the album that took me the longest time to get into - three and a half years. I think it's amazing now, especially the second half. :heart
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Well if you love Roger Waters, go The Final Cut.
Realistically I might do this, as I've heard that some concepts from The Wall carried over. All right, I'll be checking out The Final Cut and The Division Bell next!
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Personally I can't stand The Final Cut, it bores me to tears. But that's just me :P
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Personally I can't stand The Final Cut, it bores me to tears. But that's just me :P
I also can't stand The Final Cut, and I only really enjoy certain parts of Division Bell. Most of DB doesn't keep my interest.
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Personally I can't stand The Final Cut, it bores me to tears. But that's just me :P
I also can't stand The Final Cut, and I only really enjoy certain parts of Division Bell.
I can't think I've ever listened to TFC any more than once or twice since owning it. I'm pretty sure I've listened to TDB a few times, and even AMLOR more than a couple times as well. TFC just didn't grab me like the following two albums did. It's a shame the TDB line-up didn't make another album, but if there had to be a Pink Floyd swan-song album, I'm glad it was that.
-Marc.
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I'm through the first half of The Final Cut and it's incredible. Exactly what most PF albums are missing. As a tentative rank, I'd say it's in a three way tie with Animals and WWYH.
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Yeah I love TFC, although many hate it.
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Animals
DSotM
WYWH
Meddle
Everything else.
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The Final Cut is the only Pink Floyd album I don't really like. It's missing the atmospherics of Richard Wright's keyboards and apart from two or three really cool moments, it makes me very depressed.
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So The Final Cut was pretty awesome. There weren't any individual songs that stood out, but the overall feel of the album was great, alike to that of The Wall - very sorrowful and despairing.
For whatever reason, Not Now John was my least favorite song almost instantly. I can't stand PF's "rockers", like Have a Cigar and Young Lust.
8/10 album for sure.
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Yeah I don't really like Not Now John. I love the other two you mentioned though.
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Thinking about starting the PF survivor up for this year. Start up them relistens.
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Thinking about starting the PF survivor up for this year. Start up them relistens.
Yes Sir.
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Will do :tup
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Gonna see Roger Waters perform The Wall in a few days :'(
It's hard to deal with that fact.
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I'm going to see The Wall too soon, it'll be my second time but my little brother has always wanted to go so I think it'll be a nice treat.
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see the wall in a month...
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Awesome, I actually owe Barto a big thanks cause I was totally gonna miss that show and not paying attention in the midst of the DT and Rammstein concerts planning for the next couple month.
We're to expect the set list to be The Wall from start to finish without any additions from other albums, right?
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Gonna see Roger Waters perform The Wall in a few days :'(
It's hard to deal with that fact.
I too would be sad if I had paid a bazillion dollars to see an overrated album and nothing else. :p
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I love the album but that's not all there's to it, this is part of music history that attracted my father's generation and mine, it captures the essence of it's era culturally and set new standards and a format for concept albums that influenced a bunch of amazing albums of the same nature since then til now imo.
If I can say I've seen The Wall performed live by an original member of Pink Floyd I'd feel like I was a part of music history. I'm gonna be experiencing the psychedelic rock that kids got high to in the late 70's performed by the same guy who performed it to them then, this is so mind blowing and I'm pessimistic by nature that as I type these words I'm 90% sure something is gonna go wrong cause the whole thing sounds too good to be true :lol
And if seeing this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hUYzQaCCt2o#t=13s) visuals live are not enough to droll after the experience then you and me are not the same species and you should take me to your leader.
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I love the album but that's not all there's to it, this is part of music history that attracted my father's generation and mine, it captures the essence of it's era culturally and set new standards and a format for concept albums that influenced a bunch of amazing albums of the same nature since then til now imo.
If I can say I've seen The Wall performed live by an original member of Pink Floyd I'd feel like I was a part of music history. I'm gonna be experiencing the psychedelic rock that kids got high to in the late 70's performed by the same guy who performed it to them then, this is so mind blowing and I'm pessimistic by nature that as I type these words I'm 90% sure something is gonna go wrong cause the whole thing sounds too good to be true :lol
And if seeing this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hUYzQaCCt2o#t=13s) visuals live are not enough to droll after the experience then you and me are not the same species and you should take me to your leader.
+1
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I just listened to Echoes for the first time in a long while and hot damn I forgot how much I love this song.
I think my heart skipped a beat at that one part around the 18 minute mark. Definitely took my breath away.
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I love Echoes so much. For added amazingness listen to it from Gilmour's Live from Gdansk.
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And if seeing this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hUYzQaCCt2o#t=13s) visuals live are not enough to droll after the experience then you and me are not the same species and you should take me to your leader.
how about i just take you to the '80s when they did this show nearly the same way, except it was entirely new then and not a rehash of the same thing one man can't let go of because it was about himself, his dad and his generation, and he made a buttload of money off of it – but now featuring the graphics technology already used (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ4RsIw4Cg4) to (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5PDDcTM0P8) better (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA8ysRLfW-I) effect (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMB2E0c6dos) by Nine Inch Nails in 2008.
sorry, i just don't see how Waters touring The Wall is anything other than the glorification of his own ego and legacy. look at him jumping about while Gilmour solos on that video you linked — is this supposed to be something i should pay money to see? to be stuffed at the back of a gigantic room with a million people in front of me while i watch HD projections on a giant wall and pretend that this is still unique and relevant breathtaking like it probably was in 1980?
i realize lots of people figure they're getting something worthwhile out of it, and you're probably one of them, and i'm hardly going to try to deny it from you. however, i do think it's worth presenting the other side, as it's just as valid for some of us... or just me! ::)
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sorry, i just don't see how Waters touring The Wall is anything other than the glorification of his own ego and legacy.
If Roger Waters legacy needs glorification I'm willing to glorify it, the man is living legend of composition and music writing in my book and a lot people's. And I only wish he'd do a similar tour for Animals.
. look at him jumping about while Gilmour solos on that video you linked — is this supposed to be something i should pay money to see?
What living potato fuck does that even mean? It just sounds bitter. There's a shit load of performers who do silly moves and jump around on stage. And I wanna see this particular one do it. It's an expression and this show is his own world.
how about i just take you to the '80s when they did this show nearly the same way, except it was entirely new then and not a rehash of the same thing one man can't let go of because it was about himself, his dad and his generation
Yeah how about you take me back to the 80's to see? Not possible? Why did you have to offer and get my hopes up? :lol Cause time travel is not possible yet and I was A CHILD in the 80's so I didn't get your sweet chance at it, so I really wanna see it performed by it's creator and this is the only possible way I can do it! Dang.
What you call rehashment is to most period PF fans reminiscent and for my generation a chance to have a glimpse into the past and their world, among so much other things explained in my previous post.
but now featuring the graphics technology already used (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ4RsIw4Cg4) to (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5PDDcTM0P8) better (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA8ysRLfW-I) effect (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMB2E0c6dos) by Nine Inch Nails in 2008.
That's pretty amazing, never seen that. Had to mute the video to watch but it's really impressive. And now I have the chance to see something of the same technology to good music. But this is not "to a better effect" imo, we just disagree there.
to be stuffed at the back of a gigantic room with a million people in front of me while i watch HD projections on a giant wall and pretend that this is still unique and relevant breathtaking like it probably was in 1980?
1. The venues are not that stuffed, it's also all seating and somewhat classy.
2. You forgot to mention that there will be music played..
3. Again; the 80's are a no go for me until Doc. calls me up to the Twin Pines Mall parking lot for an experiment.
i realize lots of people figure they're getting something worthwhile out of it, and you're probably one of them, and i'm hardly going to try to deny it from you. however, i do think it's worth presenting the other side, as it's just as valid for some of us... or just me! ::)
You're of course entitled to your opinion and excuse me for replying with the same tone your post had, I'm fixing it towards the end of the post just like you did too :lol
I'd say you're in the minority about your opinion but it is valid for Nick apparently so here you go :D
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All this Wall talk got me re-listening to the The Wall (disc 1) last night and I think I discovered a new found appreciation for it.
Disc two really soured me on the whole album kinda, especially songs like The Trial, but disc one is pretty solid up to and including Young Lust. Things get a little too Waters-ish for my taste after that point, but not so much to not still really enjoy disc 1.
So I think I'm gonna to be putting this into rotation much more from now on.
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One of the best parts of The Wall is Mother/Goodbye Blue Sky :heart
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One of the best parts of The Wall is Mother/Goodbye Blue Sky THE WHOLE THING :heart
FIFY
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Blue Jay, I know how you feel about The Wall, but there are at least 3 Pink Floyd albums better ;D
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The Wall isn't just an album to me... It help me through several incredibly emotional parts of my life... Typical high school teenage depression... and then later my father's death. I identify with it on so many levels... It is and will always be my all time favourite album. :D
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Updated ranking:
1. The Wall
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2. Animals
3. Wish You Were Here
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4. Ummagumma
5. Meddle
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6. The Dark Side of the Moon
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Any appreciation here for the "The Man and the Journey" suite? Link to a great recording is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUbCPEtt3ms
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Don't think I've checked in with this thread yet. Quite pleased to see Animals kicking the shit out of The Wall in the poll. I think the Wall is a fine album and a fantastic accomplishment, but it's not the musical triumph that some of their other albums are.
sorry, i just don't see how Waters touring The Wall is anything other than the glorification of his own ego and legacy.
If Roger Waters legacy needs glorification I'm willing to glorify it, the man is living legend of composition and music writing in my book and a lot people's. And I only wish he'd do a similar tour for Animals.
Yeah, that was pretty much my take on this tour. AFAIC, Roger's not as wealthy as he deserves to be. As I thought about it, I've probably spent five to six hundred on various PF related albums and concerts over the years. In light of the amount of joy and pleasure those guys have brought me, I consider it a hugely profitable investment. I'm guessing Trent Reznor has about $45 of my money over the years, and after that Outside Tour, I'd really like a refund.
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Voted for The Wall, Dark Side and Animals.
But I just had to chime in and say that I've been listening to Momentary Lapse lately...and damn that is a much cooler album than it got credit for when it first came out.
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Voted for The Wall, Dark Side and Animals.
But I just had to chime in and say that I've been listening to Momentary Lapse lately...and damn that is a much cooler album than it got credit for when it first came out.
I agree both of the last two albums (Momentary/Division Bell) are better than they get credit for IMO. I could never say they were on the level with their top albums but for me they both have some exceptional stuff on them and are quite good overall.
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Voted for The Wall, Dark Side and Animals.
But I just had to chime in and say that I've been listening to Momentary Lapse lately...and damn that is a much cooler album than it got credit for when it first came out.
I agree both of the last two albums (Momentary/Division Bell) are better than they get credit for IMO. I could never say they were on the level with their top albums but for me they both have some exceptional stuff on them and are quite good overall.
This. Especially Divsion is amazing, with two of my all-time favourite PF songs (High Hopes and Coming Back to Life). Not quite up there with the top albums, that's true, but it's amazing nonetheless.
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Wish You Were Here
The Wall
The Division Bell
Although really, it's hard to pick. Wish You Were Here is a good proggy album, The Wall is obviously a stellar concept album, and The Division Bell is just a well-written album overall. Of course, there's the obvious Dark Side I left out, as well as Animals, which almost beat out The Wall. Honourable mention to The Final Cut. Even though it gets shit for being primarily a Waters effort, I don't mind because I enjoy his solo stuff, so it works out! Also AMLOR doesn't get enough love!
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Wish You Were Here is their best imo. one of my all time favs
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The Final Cut is the only Pink Floyd album I don't really like. It's missing the atmospherics of Richard Wright's keyboards and apart from two or three really cool moments, it makes me very depressed.
Agree. Wright's is missing and Gilmour & Mason are reduced to session musicians.
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The top three ranked are my Top 3. :hefdaddy
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Echoes is by far my favourite Pink Floyd song, and also favourite song overall, mainly because there is no single moment I can pinpoint as being what I most like about it, except for that one brief moment between 0:00 and 23:31. The whole thing (to me) is just a perfect and diverse piece. When I first heard it, I'd only heard the 16 minute version on the best of (man, that hasn't been heard in about five or six years), but I got the album Meddle and was utterly entranced by it. It's just so perfect.
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I am not really a fan of anything Floyd until DSotM, and Echoes has always been a favorite song of mine by anyone. A good example of whole of a song being greater than the sum of its parts. Something Floyd always excelled at.
That being said, I almost like the versions Gilmour did on his ‘On An Island’ tour more. Can’t describe why, the song just has a little more… oomph.
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I'm seeing The Australian Pink Floyd show in about a week, are they any good? :)
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They have David Gilmour's endorsement.
I have heard great things about them.
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I am not really a fan of anything Floyd until DSotM, and Echoes has always been a favorite song of mine by anyone.
??? Does not compute. You're not a fan of anything Floyd until DSotM, but one of your favorite songs came before that?
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Meddle is underrated as FUCK.
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I am not really a fan of anything Floyd until DSotM, and Echoes has always been a favorite song of mine by anyone.
??? Does not compute. You're not a fan of anything Floyd until DSotM, but one of your favorite songs came before that?
Sorry if I phrased that weird. But yes, it is strange that I am not generally a fan of Floyd pre-DSotM, but Echoes is a favorite of mine.
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Meddle is underrated as FUCK.
Yes, very awesome album. Pillow of Winds and Fearless are nice overlooked songs.
And speaking of lost gems, one early Floyd song I've been loving recently is Summer of '68, such a cool song.
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Meddle is fantastic. Everything flows really well. Except Seamus, I hate that song. Make that dog shut the fuck up. :lol
Though I am still surprised how much I love Atom Heart Mother. I was dreading that album the first time I was about to listen to it because I generally can't stand pre-Meddle PF, but from the first listen it shoved its way into my personal PF top five.
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Dark Side of the Moon is when they started their amazing run of concept albums, but I'm good with everything all the way back to Ummagumma. Meddle is awesome; the only difference between it and the albums that came next is that the tunes aren't all strung together. The songs themselves are great. Atom Heart Mother is a little rougher, but I like where they were going with it. The spacey, psycho-rock they'd developed up to that point was evolving into real prog epics. And I'm apparently one of the few that's fine with just about everything on Ummagumma.
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Ummagumma is my least favorite PF album...followed closely by More.
I *adore* pretty much every thing else they've ever done. (except the title track from Saucerful....what the crap is that???)
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Obligatory album ranking:
14. The Final Cut
13. More
12. Obscured by Clouds
11. Ummagumma
10. The Piper at the Gates of Dawn
9. A Momentary Lapse of Reason
8. A Sauceful of Secrets
7. Atom Heart Mother
6. The Division Bell
5. The Wall
4. Meddle
3. Animals
2. Wish You Were Here
1. The Dark Side of the Moon
1-4 are 5 star albums. 5-7 are 4. 8-11 are 3. The last 3 are 2.
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Interesting factoid...
About 15 years ago, when I (and many others) were still new to the internet...I logged on to one of the first BIG PF fan sites at the time. (the name slips my mind...but it was the biggie where that guy was slipping in clues about that thingy mystery that was never solved...there were pictures of messages in lights at concerts...etc....but I digress).
At that time...there was a poll for favorite and least favorite album. There were several hundred votes in each category.
The Final Cut *WON BOTH*.
I just thought that was fairly telling of how polarizing that album is.
My ranking:
1. The Wall
2. Animals
3. Obscured By Clouds
4. Meddle
5. Dark Side of the Moon
6. Wish You Were Here
7. Atom Heart Mother
8. A Momentary Lapse of Reason
9. A Saucerful of Secrets
10. Piper at the Gates of Dawn
11. The Final Cut
12. The Division Bell
13. More
14. Ummagumma
Subject to change...of course...
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Meddle is underrated as FUCK.
Yes, very awesome album. Pillow of Winds and Fearless are nice overlooked songs.
And speaking of lost gems, one early Floyd song I've been loving recently is Summer of '68, such a cool song.
Pillow of Winds and Fearless are in fact my favorite PF songs. I'll check out Summer of '68. :tup
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A Pillow of winds and Fearless are two of those songs that I've listened to dozens and dozens of times, and I literally mean dozens, yet I still have no recollection of them. Not a very special album at all in my book. One of these days is pretty cool, though, and Echoes is obviously a classic, and even that song has that noisy section that bothers me sometimes.
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Meddle is underrated as FUCK.
Yes, very awesome album. Pillow of Winds and Fearless are nice overlooked songs.
And speaking of lost gems, one early Floyd song I've been loving recently is Summer of '68, such a cool song.
Pillow of Winds and Fearless are in fact my favorite PF songs. I'll check out Summer of '68. :tup
They're great, I also really like San Tropez. Hope you enjoy Summer of '68 :D
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A Pillow of winds and Fearless are two of those songs that I've listened to dozens and dozens of times, and I literally mean dozens, yet I still have no recollection of them. Not a very special album at all in my book. One of these days is pretty cool, though, and Echoes is obviously a classic, and even that song has that noisy section that bothers me sometimes.
This just blows my mind because I had heard Echoes and OOTD before I picked up Meddle....but it was APOW and Fearless that *solidified* Meddle as a classic in my book.
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I like Meddle, but have never quite seen it as the great classic that many Floyd fans do. Echoes is great, but is one of those songs I enjoy like once or twice a year, and I've never been overly keen on that studio version of One of These Days (it's too noisy). Fearless and A Pillow of Winds are both nice, but neither are essential, and I don't care much for the other two songs.
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I used to think The Wall was my favorite album, but now, shit...it's not as good as The Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, Animals, Meddle, AND Atom Heart Mother :tup
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I am really in love with Obscured By Clouds. The Gold Is In The... is phenomonal
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I've been meaning to get some 80s PF, like The Division Bell and Momentary Lapse of Reason.
As for favorite, I also used to think that The Wall mas my favorite, but then I heard Animals :heart
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I am really in love with Obscured By Clouds. The Gold Is In The... is phenomonal
Its a great album. I especially :heart Mudmen, Burning Bridges & Absolutely Curtains. I can sit and listen to Mudmen for hours https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzbtinVhWsE
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Yeah, I recently got a new appreciation for Obscured By Clouds, there are many great songs there.
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I used to think The Wall was my favorite album, but now, shit...it's not as good as The Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, Animals, Meddle, AND Atom Heart Mother :tup
Always good to see appreciation for Atom heart mother. I would take it over Meddle any time. And yeah, I also really like Obscured by clouds, there are some truly gorgeous bits on it, especially the ballads.
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I love the way Obscured starts, and pretty much the whole thing is great, but I especially like Wot's... Uh, The Deal?
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I love the way Obscured starts, and pretty much the whole thing is great, but I especially like Wot's... Uh, The Deal?
Wot's... Uh, The Deal? is a great song. So great that David brought it out for his On An Island tours.
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Us and Them is the best from TDSOTM :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart
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Us and Them is the best from TDSOTM :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart
Obviously! :p
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(the name slips my mind...but it was the biggie where that guy was slipping in clues about that thingy mystery that was never solved...there were pictures of messages in lights at concerts...etc....but I digress).
I always wanted to find out the answer to that puzzle they had. The pics of the messages at the concerts were pretty cool.
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Poles Apart :heart
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Australian Pink Floyd show were amazing BTW!
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So I've never really listened to and PF album outside of DSOTM, The Wall, Animals, and WYWH. I've been going through the others recently and, while I can appreciate them greatly, they aren't as good as those four. Here's some of my thoughts on the ones I've listened to:
Ummagumma - their most out-there album I've heard. Probably something no one but a die hard PF fan would care for. It was interesting but I doubt I'd listen again.
Meddle - very pleasant album. Echoes unfortunately was a disappointment, probably one of the lesser tracks on the album.
A Momentary Lapse of Reason - Totally boring, I did not click with a single song.
Final Cut - VERY impressive. This is the Pink Floyd sound that I love the most. Very desperate and melodramatic. Love it.
The Division Bell - Very very good, but a very different beast from the Roger Waters albums. It had very beautiful solos and I would not be surprised if JP got a lot of inspiration for his tone from this album. Very nice.
The Piper at the Gates of Dawn/A Saucerful of Secrets - Pretty awful.
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Meddle - very pleasant album. Echoes unfortunately was a disappointment, probably one of the lesser tracks on the album.
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The Piper at the Gates of Dawn/A Saucerful of Secrets - Pretty awful.
Wrong. And why on Earth did you skip Atom heart mother?
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I wouldn't describe Piper... as awful, but it is definitely not that good, and I'll never get the high rating it gets from a lot of people.
I like Echoes a lot, but Meddle as a whole is certainly not great.
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The final cut is pretty underrated, it's one of my favourites.
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Atom Heart Mother is very underrated. Its a gem of an album.
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I wouldn't describe Piper... as awful, but it is definitely not that good, and I'll never get the high rating it gets from a lot of people.
I like Echoes a lot, but Meddle as a whole is certainly not great.
Agree with both points. On the latter one Fearless is also excellent, but the rest of the album is merely... there.
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AHM is very cool. I think it's better than Meddle.
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I wouldn't describe Piper... as awful, but it is definitely not that good, and I'll never get the high rating it gets from a lot of people.
I would. :biggrin:
I could never understand the love for that album.
I like Echoes a lot, but Meddle as a whole is certainly not great.
I like Meddle a lot but it certainly is a bit uneven compared to their best albums.
I finally listened to The Final Cut a few weeks ago and I think it's unfairly maligned by the PF community. It's much, much more cohesive and consistent than The Wall.
Atom Heart Mother is... okay. Frankly, a lot of it is rather boring but I haven't really listened to it all that much. It's just never really impressed me.
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The problem with Piper is that so much of it is just psychedelic weirdness, which doesn't appeal that much to me. Interstellar Overdrive starts off with that cool riff (even if the guitar tone is sort of like fingernails on a chalkboard), but then delves off into nine minutes of random weirdness. I suppose something like that is great if you are stoned out of your mind ;), but if you are not, maybe not so much? :biggrin:
Astronomy Domine is great, but was done significantly better when Gilmour was in the band, both when played longer (and featured on the Ummagumma live disc) and more direct and focused on The Division Bell tour.
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I think the problem with TFC is it's missing a lot of the elements that made Floyd... well, Floyd. That and it's really depressing. It's a well written album and very consistent, I just don't like it. It doesn't sound like Floyd, it sounds like Roger Waters (not that that's a bad thing, Amused To Death and Radio KAOS kick arse in a really, really epic way).
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Piper at the gates of dawn just shines with beauty and joy for the most part. The last four songs on the album in particular just make me happy and help me realize how wonderful life can be. It's probably the only Floyd album which works that way, that's why it stands out in their discography.
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I think the problem with TFC is it's missing a lot of the elements that made Floyd... well, Floyd. That and it's really depressing. It's a well written album and very consistent, I just don't like it. It doesn't sound like Floyd, it sounds like Roger Waters (not that that's a bad thing, Amused To Death and Radio KAOS kick arse in a really, really epic way).
True. It's more of a Waters album than a PF album. For me, the same thing goes for A Momentary Lapse of Reason and The Division Bell: I consider them both to be more Gilmour albums than PF albums, and I don't really like them very much.
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Just had a double dose of DSOTM and WYWH. What a magical evening.
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Listened to the remaining albums.
Atom Heart Mother - I don't remember much about it other than I liked it. It was pretty good.
Obscured By Clouds - Completely forgettable. Not bad music but I just don't remember a single thing about it.
Soundtrack From The Film More (not sure if this is considered an actual studio album or not) - Pretty lame.
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I really have to say I prefer Waters-dominated material the most. The Wall and The Final Cut are probably my top two PF albums at this point. They have an emotional kick to them that the other albums seem to lack.
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More has "Cymbaline", which I love, but that's pretty much it. I like the opening title track of Obscured By Clouds, but not the rest. They are soundtrack albums, but I consider them part of the studio album canon all the same, but bad ones at that.
I'm listening to The Division Bell this morning, I still think "Take It Back", "Coming Back To Life" and "Lost For Words" are throwaway songs, but I'm finding myself liking the others more than I used to.
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Okay, so thought I would bump this.
For the longest time I've been meaning to check out Pink Floyd, but really haven't. I've heard songs by them, and my dad played one of their collections in the car once, and it sounded pretty cool. But yesterday I accidentally stumbled upon the Wish You Were Here-documentary (about making the album) which was on TV. I was just flipping channels and got into the program just when it started, so I watched it all. It kinda inspired me to check out their stuff.
So I listened to Wish You Were Here earlier, and it sounded really good. Can't wait to give it more spins.
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Check out Animals next, that's a really great album as well. The other classics are DSOTM and The Wall, but both WYWH and Animals are a little better, in my opinion.
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Yeah, Animals, DSotM and The Wall are next on my list.
Interesting enough, I have both The Wall and DsotM on Vinyl, I got both from my dad who bought them when they came out, but they are still in excellent condition. He also gave me The Final Cut on Vinyl, but from what I've heard that one is not held in the same regard as the other 4 "classic" albums. I'll probably check it out eventually when I'm done with the bigger albums though.
:hat
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I don't have the Final Cut, but The Division Bell is pretty awesome, which some people say are very similar to each other, I think?
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I don't have the Final Cut, but The Division Bell is pretty awesome, which some people say are very similar to each other, I think?
I don't know these two albums very well, but I can tell you that these two are very different IMO. TFC is more similar to The Wall.
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I don't have the Final Cut, but The Division Bell is pretty awesome, which some people say are very similar to each other, I think?
They are not, trust me! I never got into TFC, too Watery for my tastes (I don't like The Wall that much either)...
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My favourite floyd albums are in order WYWH, DSOTM, A, TDB. I never quite understood why the last one is almost constantly dissed by a relevant part of the fandom.
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Cuz it's got no Waters involvement which means, while still sounding like Floyd, it's missing the theatrics his writing usually brought to the table and has more emphasis on guitar-driven bluesy moodiness. I like it but you could very easily divide the Floyd fanbase into:
1. Fans who side with Gilmour
2. Fans who side with Waters
3. Fans who side with neither
I just think the Waters folks didn't have a whole lot of enjoyable familiarity with its style and I have no problem with them feeling that way cuz I still like it.
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Um... I'd much rather listen to TFC than TDB any day of the week that ends with Y.
Your mileage may vary.
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TFC is one of the most boring albums I've ever come across IMHO, and I'd listen to TDB any day.
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See... it's the other way around in my case. :lol
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TFC is awesome, guys.
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But if what if you like em both? :lol
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Then just say BOTH! and be done with it. :biggrin:
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Um... I'd much rather listen to TFC than TDB any day of the week that ends with Y.
Your mileage may vary.
This.
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:tup
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I'm a bit interested in the feud between Waters and Gilmour. What exactly happened? From what I understand there has been several times when they didn't agree on certain things, like Gilmour wanting to have a few songs on WYWH (that didn't make it to the album), or agreeing about different things. Anything in particular that caused Waters to eventually leave the band, or was it just minor things along the way?
Also, from what I understand, Waters has been pretty rough on the PF albums after him leaving. I think I saw the quote: "it sounds like a band covering PF" or something. (I'm not 100% sure) And from the little I've gathered, Waters doesn't seem to give Gilmour much credit, but Gilmour on the other hand has said different quotes about how good/important Waters was for the band.
I'm a total newbie on the subject, so I might be wrong. But someone please enlighten me on why there was such a big feud. :P
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I'm curious now too, as PF's wiki entry really doesn't clearly define why the split happened other than Wright had left, Mason was going through a divorce, and Waters and Gilmour were fighting about lyrical contributions/etc. regarding TFC.
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Short version:
-In the late 70s, the contributions and musical input from Nick Mason and Richard Wright were practically nil (in the case of Wright, because he was doing tons of coke), and while Gilmour still wrote a lot of stuff, Waters pretty much grabbed control of the band.
-When recording The Wall, Waters forced Wright out of the band, telling him he'd scrap the album if he didn't agree to leave. Wright desperately needed money, so he agreed, and unbeknownst to anyone, when they toured on The Wall, Wright was no longer an official member of the band and was paid the same as an extra would be (which was ironic then, as he made money on the tour, while the remaining Floyds lost money on it cause of the massive expense of the show).
-Waters then insisted on recording The Final Cut using mostly material that was deemed not good enough for The Wall. Gilmour strongly objected to this, but Waters did it anyway, and Gilmour's input on that record was practically nothing.
-Thinking the band would never go on without him, Waters left the band in 1985, but got a rude awakening when the band did decide a year or so later to go on without him. He tried to legally stop them, but since he had left the band on his own accord, instead of staying and letting it die a slow death, he couldn't stop them.
-His resentment and pettiness is the main reason why he has been so critical of the two albums they did since his departure. It was also extremely galling to him that when he toured at the same time as Floyd did in 1987 and 1988, Floyd made a killing and drew huge everywhere, while Waters struggled badly. That only made his resentment that much stronger.
And actually, Waters did always acknowledge that Gilmour was a musician of note and was always integral to the Floyd sound, but insisted that the other two did nothing in his later years in the band.
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Oh, thanks for the sum-up. I think there's a line between being a genius but also being able to take input from others and sometimes remember that you don't always know what's best yourself.
On another note, I bought Wish You Were Here on CD today. Good stuff.
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I’ve also seen this argument:
Mason/Wright: Our ideas were not welcome…
Waters: I was begging the other guys for ideas, they never had any…
-Waters then insisted on recording The Final Cut using mostly material that was deemed not good enough for The Wall. Gilmour strongly objected to this, but Waters did it anyway, and Gilmour's input on that record was practically nothing.
Also regarding this, I assume the band’s management and label had to have some say in this. It can’t just come down to one band member wanting one thing, and another wanting something else. Of course in situations like this, the more forceful personality in the group often wins. But I am wondering how accurate it is to say ‘Waters did in anyway…’
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Waters never spoke too highly of Gilmour, IIRC. A lot of it was "Yeah, he's a good player, but I bring out his best side because I'm so awesome at songwriting that it spurs him on." or something to that effect.
Honestly, I don't care for either musician's solo output very much (Amused to Death is alright, I suppose). I'd say it was the combination of all of them that ultimately produced something special.
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Oh, I totally agree there. As much as The Wall was Waters' brainchild, without Gilmour it wouldn't have been nearly as good. Gilmour was the one who insisted on the inclusion of Comfortably Numb, and also had a larger hand in writing the rest of the album that he was given credit for. The Final Cut is basically taking the least best parts of The Wall and having no input from Gilmour. The difference is more than obvious to most.
I love Amused to Death and On an Island, but both could have been better had they been full-blown Floyd projects.
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Wow, Kev - great paring down of a much larger TL;DR version of all of that, I'm quite sure. Never knew some of it either.
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So, onto more cheery subjects...looking at the poll results, I guess I should get Animals next, no?
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YES.
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Okay. *puts on list*
Now that I actually have more than 3 Floyd studio albums, I'm starting to reevaluate my top 3 picks.
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I'm lazy and dun wanna read the whole thread - what were your choices?
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At the time, the only 3 I had:
-Dark Side Of The Moon
-Momentary Lapse of Reason
-The Division Bell
Just picked up Wish You Were Here recently. Honestly, I love all four about equally.
(I also have Delicate Sound Of Thunder and Pulse)
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Ah, okay.
I just saw that there was a poll :loser: so mine are: DSoTM, WYWH and Animals. Nothing against any of the others (well, maybe TDB :xbones ) but the three I chose have had the most staying power with me throughout the time I've been listening to them.
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I got into Floyd really late, actually. Growing up in the '70s and '80s, I just never really liked their sound for some reason. Then I saw a Floyd cover band in '91, and something just clicked. I picked up Dark Side Of The Moon and Momentary Lapse Of Reason soon after, and liked them both. Picked up The Division Bell when it came out, and got the two live albums during that same basic timeframe. I've listened to those albums a pretty good amount over the years, but never really felt a burning desire to go back and fill in the collection.
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Highway got shut down due to Obama's appearance at a nearby lake, listened to all of Animals while sitting in stopped traffic. Best way to be late! :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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I got into Floyd really late, actually. Growing up in the '70s and '80s, I just never really liked their sound for some reason. Then I saw a Floyd cover band in '91, and something just clicked. I picked up Dark Side Of The Moon and Momentary Lapse Of Reason soon after, and liked them both. Picked up The Division Bell when it came out, and got the two live albums during that same basic timeframe. I've listened to those albums a pretty good amount over the years, but never really felt a burning desire to go back and fill in the collection.
Ah, okay, that explains it a bit more.
I didn't really get into them like I am now until a bit after The Wall came out (early to mid 1980?). For some really dumb reason, I didn't like it until about a month had passed and then it just clicked. My brother ended up getting DSoTM and Animals at around the same time in about 1981 or 1982 and both clicked in a major way with me. The very first CD he ever got was The Final Cut in late May of 1985 (along with the over $200 portable CD player he DEMANDED as part of his graduation gifts... and then the player dropped in price about a week later - our mother was PISSED about that :lol ). I also had a chance to see them in Houston in 1987 with him during the Momentary Lapse tour and stupidly passed on it... :facepalm:
Wow, I just went down Memory Lane hardcore there. :lol
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If you are like me, since you heard One of These Days from Delicate Sound of Thunder first, the original on Meddle is likely to be a huge letdown once you get to it. It's really amazing how much better the live versions from DSOT and the Pulse DVD are than the studio version.
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Man, have I missed out. Brand new to this thread, been listening to them my whole entire life (one of my earliest memories is sitting on the couch while my dad blasts DSOTM).
Favorite album is Animals, favorite song is Dogs.
TDB is one of my favorite albums from them, so underrated.
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Favorite album is Animals, favorite song is Dogs.
:tup You and I are going to get along just fine. :lol
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Favorite album is Animals, favorite song is Dogs.
:tup You and I are going to get along just fine. :lol
Greatest PF song ever written :tup
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Damn right!
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Favorite album is Animals, favorite song is Dogs.
Excellent choices. :tup
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Favorite album is Animals, favorite song is Dogs.
Me too, me too! :biggrin:
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Favorite album is Animals, favorite song is Dogs.
Me too, me too! :biggrin:
This. :)
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Has anyone of you guys got to see Brit Floyd live? I saw them two nights ago and loved every minute of it, they put out a spectacular show, everything was played flawlessly and lets not even talk about the video show - it's the real thing. I thought it was a privilege to hear some of the most amazing songs of all time live, they even busted out the entire side C of The Wall. Gotta admit, I cried my eyes out on Shine on you crazy diamond and The Great gig in the sky, the performance was that touching. Priceless experience.
This was the set list, if anyone's interested:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/brit-floyd-the-pink-floyd-tribute-show/2012/sava-centar-belgrade-serbia-5bdabfd4.html
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Has anyone of you guys got to see Brit Floyd live? I saw them two nights ago and loved every minute of it, they put out a spectacular show, everything was played flawlessly and lets not even talk about the video show - it's the real thing. I thought it was a privilege to hear some of the most amazing songs of all time live, they even busted out the entire side C of The Wall. Gotta admit, I cried my eyes out on Shine on you crazy diamond and The Great gig in the sky, the performance was that touching. Priceless experience.
This was the set list, if anyone's interested:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/brit-floyd-the-pink-floyd-tribute-show/2012/sava-centar-belgrade-serbia-5bdabfd4.html
I wanted to go see them, but that would've been my 3rd concert within one week, so I decided not too (also having exams).
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Bump.
I was wondering if there is any love for the song "On an Island" from Gilmour's soloside?
Personally I think it's a fantastic song, and the vocal lines are really haunting and beautiful. Some passionate guitars as well.
(yeah I know it's not PF but still!)
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Bump.
I was wondering if there is any love for the song "On an Island" from Gilmour's soloside?
Personally I think it's a fantastic song, and the vocal lines are really haunting and beautiful. Some passionate guitars as well.
(yeah I know it's not PF but still!)
I love the song
Really into The Final Cut lately. Know it's not the most popular album, but I like it a lot.
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Really into The Final Cut lately. Know it's not the most popular album, but I like it a lot.
The Final Cut is honestly one of my top PF albums. Lol
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Bump.
I was wondering if there is any love for the song "On an Island" from Gilmour's soloside?
Personally I think it's a fantastic song, and the vocal lines are really haunting and beautiful. Some passionate guitars as well.
(yeah I know it's not PF but still!)
Favourite song from that album.
This clip from Royal Albert Hall with David Crosby and Graham Nash is excellent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFhVYAdXBG4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFhVYAdXBG4)
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Really into The Final Cut lately. Know it's not the most popular album, but I like it a lot.
Good thing I'm not the only one. The album actually clicked for me recently after a very long time of being an average album at best. Fletcher, Filthy hands, Southampton dock, The Post-war dream... It's great stuff. :hefdaddy
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Pretty much all of On an Island is fantastic. Really, it sounds like the natural follow-up to The Division Bell, so it fits well in the Floyd canon.
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I like nearly all Pink Floyd albums (I'm not keen on Ummagumma and I hate A Momentary Lapse of Reason). Other than that, I'm not really special, my 3 favorites are Wish You Were Here, Animals and The Wall, in that order.
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Sooo... I guess it's okay to discuss non PF solo projects too? lol I have been hooked on Waters' Amused To Death. The only Waters solo album to really click with me.
Pretty much all of On an Island is fantastic. Really, it sounds like the natural follow-up to The Division Bell, so it fits well in the Floyd canon.
Agreed 110%
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Amused to Death is great, one of my all-time favourite albums
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Roger Waters was on The Daily Show Monday night:
https://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/mon-january-14-2013-roger-waters (go to the final segment, starts around 15:17, to see the interview)
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I just picked up my newly bought record player. First album to listen to? Dark Side Of The Moon :hat
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I just picked up my newly bought record player. First album to listen to? Dark Side Of The Moon :hat
Sir, I say sir! I like your style, sir!
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Roger Waters was on The Daily Show Monday night:
https://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/mon-january-14-2013-roger-waters (go to the final segment, starts around 15:17, to see the interview)
That was a brief yet enjoyable interview. Looks like Roger is extremely comfortable around John, I guess John interviewed him several times.
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To his credit, Waters definitely seems to have finally mellowed out a bit in his old age, as opposed to the angry guy he was for so long. I thought it was kind of funny how Waters pointed out how difficult it was to keep up with Stewart's fast-talking. I think that was his nice way of saying, "Let me tell my story without your sarcastic comments where you say 76 words in five seconds." :lol Granted, his style is what makes Stewart so awesome and so funny, but with a guy like Waters, you need to tone it down a bit, and I think he got Waters' message, as he dialed it down after that.
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It was similar when Conan O'Brien interviewed Roger about two years ago. Conan was his usual self, making comments throughout the interview, and after one streak of Conan's jokes Roger smiled and said ''I knew he'd leave a gap eventually, so that I could answer the question.'' It's always fun to see Roger in such a TV show, where he can relax to an extent and not be this serious, grumpy guy that he apparently was and that he himself says he was.
Too bad I can't find the interview, it was certainly more informative. This is the only thing I managed to get a hold of on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQM69FCp9cc
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Waters interviews are a lot of fun to listen to. He's pretty engaging. Here's his interview with Howard Stern.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U84Sy8S0f6I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U84Sy8S0f6I)
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Does anyone else have love for Richard Wright's solo stuff? Thus far, I've only heard Broken China, but it's like a slightly more electronic version of Floyd (and it really shows how much of Floyd is actually Wright). I really like it, I think it's easily my favourite of any of their solo works.
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He only had the two solo albums, Wet Dream and Broken China. I checked out Wet Dream a while back, gave it a few listens, and honestly nothing really grabbed me. I love his work with Pink Floyd. I think that he was one of the best at what he did, which is play synthesizers like synthesizers, piano like piano, and organ like organ. That is, everything he did was perfect for what needed to be there to support the rest of the band, something I strive for myself when I play keyboards in a band.
Anyway, I didn't know what to expect from a solo album from him, but I guess I was thinking there'd be instrumentals or awesome keyboard-based stuff, and it was just a bunch of songs. Not bad songs, I guess, but nothing spectacular. That's what I remember, anyway. I should give it another try. I don't think I ever tried Broken China, probably because of Wet Dream. (A couple of horrible album titles there, btw.)
I guess I've got some listening to do this weekend. ♫♫
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I've not heard Wet Dream. All I know is it's out of print in Britain now. To be honest, Broken China doesn't need to be the full 75 minutes it is, but I find the music in it really pretty enjoyable.
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Okay, I've listened to Wet Dream three times in the past two days, and I have completely changed my mind about it. I don't know what the deal was the first time, but I probably just wasn't paying attention. The songs aren't bad at all; some of them are pretty good. No, he doesn't have the greatest voice, but I've heard it enough in Pink Floyd to where I could handle it fine.
The instrumentals were all pretty cool, some were downright great. Mel Collins on sax and flute (you've heard him on King Crimson's album Red), Snowy White on guitar (he plays the solo in "Pigs on the Wing" - the version which isn't separated into two parts), and lots of chord changes that conjured 70's Pink Floyd. No surprise, since this came out in 1978, right after Animals.
I played it, and played it again, and then again. Loud in the car, and loud over earphones while working out. It pretty much alternates between instrumentals and songs. Too bad it's out of print. But if you can find a copy, check it out.
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The instrumentals were all pretty cool, some were downright great. Mel Collins on sax and flute (you've heard him on King Crimson's album Red), Snowy White on guitar (he plays the solo in "Pigs on the Wing" - the version which isn't separated into two parts), and lots of chord changes that conjured 70's Pink Floyd. No surprise, since this came out in 1978, right after Animals.
A little off topic but that solo section was awesome, I should listen to it again, it's been a while.
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It's a cool solo. That version is such a rarity, which is a shame, because it's great.
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I prefer it to the original split versions
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It's a cool solo. That version is such a rarity, which is a shame, because it's great.
I don't have Nick Mason's book in front of me but from what I remember he just pasted the two together and put a solo over it, I think for one of his personal projects.
I'm probably wrong tho.
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Bump.
I was wondering if there is any love for the song "On an Island" from Gilmour's soloside?
Personally I think it's a fantastic song, and the vocal lines are really haunting and beautiful. Some passionate guitars as well.
(yeah I know it's not PF but still!)
Raises hand....I adore that song. And one album i really wish i hadnt sold.
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It's a cool solo. That version is such a rarity, which is a shame, because it's great.
I don't have Nick Mason's book in front of me but from what I remember he just pasted the two together and put a solo over it, I think for one of his personal projects.
I'm probably wrong tho.
It's interesting because Snowy included that song on his album Goldtop, which is a compilation of solo stuff and stuff he'd done with others, and I think that it's the only official release of the song other than the original 8-track.
Also, as has been pointed out, the original two halves of the song aren't mixed the same way, lending support to the theory that they weren't originally meant to go together and weren't split from an original single song or anything like that. This is turn lends support to the story that Snowy pasted the pieces together. But he must have had access to the master tapes, because he had to cobble together a backing track for the solo itself. Notice that the verses are in 8 (3+3+2) but the solo goes into 12 (3+3+3+3). The chords are the same, though, so it's possible that he did some creative editing there. That's a lot of work just to "create" a longer version of a song, just so you can play a solo over it.
I'm now quite curious about the story behind this tune. I'd always assumed that it was put together by Roger, since it's his song.
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I'll snag my book tomorrow and let you know. I definitely know that Nick touched on the issue in his book.
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I finished listening to Rick Wright's Broken China. Wow, kinda different from the Wet Dream. It almost had a Chroma Key feel to it. Introspective, pensive, even brooding, but not quite melancholy. His voice is even similar to Kevin Moore's. Also very laid back, with lots of space. Then like halfway through the album (or more, actually) Sinéad O'Connor sang a few of the songs and took me completely out of it. She has a nice voice, but I don't like it. I don't know why.
Overall, very good album, but I'm gonna have to either nuke the whole thing from my iPod or just the songs that Sinéad O'Connor sings.
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(https://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwo6k6rVNR1qilmaio1_500.jpg)
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(https://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwo6k6rVNR1qilmaio1_500.jpg)
Wow, Waters with The Division Bell cover?
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Yup. Found it on Tumblr.
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That's actually a very cool picture. I'm sitting at the airport right now listening to delicate sound of thunder.
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I really wish the band would get around to releasing Delicate Sound of Thunder on Blu-Ray/DVD, damn it.
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I really wish the band would get around to releasing Delicate Sound of Thunder on Blu-Ray/DVD, damn it.
This was easily my most watched VHS tape, I am surprised it survived as long as it did. I know I don't have it at home, it might still be at my parents house. Otherwise... no idea. Havne't had a VCR hooked up in 15+ years.
There is a DVD rip of it floating around the internet. It is VHS quality, but super nice to have on DVD and be able to watch again.
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Turn The Moon Dark on 24th March (https://m.news.emihosting.com/nl/jsp/s.jsp?c=7JffV8679lv+EBoxDixWEQ)
Pink Floyd would like to invite you to take part in a global playback event, to celebrate the 40th anniversary of their seminal album, The Dark Side Of The Moon.
From 00.01 GMT on 24th March – marking 40 years since the album's original UK release date – join us in turning the moon dark on pinkfloyd.com
Listen to the album and tweet your thoughts, memories and photos using #DarkSide40 to turn the moon dark.
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I just may
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I really wish the band would get around to releasing Delicate Sound of Thunder on Blu-Ray/DVD, damn it.
Some day maybe but I wouldn't get my hopes up, it took forever to get PULSE released on DVD.
Delicate Sound Of Thunder was the first VHS I ever remember watching, so good .
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So Storm is gone, and I'm totally submerged in When The Tigers Broke Free. I suggest the same to everyone.
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Just saw an awesome Comfortably Numb cover by Thomas Leeb:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhsPYRUqphk
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I just may
I must, jay
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:icy:
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The great bump in the sky.
Pink Floyd are now on Spotify (along with David Gilmour's solo stuff) :tup
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Very awesome. Didn't think it would happen. Listened to Saucerful of Secrets on there, great stuff. :hat
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I felt bad when I voted for my three favorite PF-albums and I had to leave Dark Side out. It's an amazing album, but I had to go with: 1. Animals 2. The Wall 3. Wish You Were Here.
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I listened to Run Like Hell the other day, and it's the single tune that invariably brings tears to my eyes. Simply because of the power of the main guitar theme.
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Yeah, that guitar sound is great. David is always awesome.
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Could Interstellar Overdrive be the first progressive rock instrumental track ever? In it's arrangement it's kinda similar to what you might hear on a Porcupine Tree or Dream Theater instrumental track today. I'm trying to think what band could have done something of the sort before Pink Floyd, in terms of that form of instrumental tracks.
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It could be. It would ultimately depend upon your definition of progressive rock. A lot of early Floyd was jam, or psychedelic, or space-rock, or various other terms, some of which hadn't actually been invented yet, but there's no question that they were progressive in their own way.
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So tonight I had the fortune of seeing Roger Waters perform The Wall live in its entirety. It's my favorite Pink Floyd album, and getting to see it performed live took it to a whole new level, and I just feel so happy that I got to experience this show. I mean in this day and age (and the situation we have), this is as close as I would ever get to see Pink Floyd. I think the strengths with Pink Floyd (and Roger Waters) is the ability to make something more than just music. I know some people dislike The Wall (compared to the other three big ones) because of the quality of the music, but to me, the quality of the music is one side of it. I don't consider The Wall to be far above the others on sheer music quality, but it's just such an incredible spectacle, and everything from the concept and themes, the music and just everything about the album takes it to another level. Seeing it live really made me love it even more, it's just amazing.
The show was brilliant, and the idea of constructing a wall, and then destroying it at the end was just really cool to see. I think what saddens me is that few artists nowadays has that attention to details, or the interest in making something more of it. Today, a lot of music is "just" music. The whole show visually was superior to most other things I have seen, and while some bands like Sigur Rós, Steven Wilson and Godspeed You Black Emperor incorporate videos into their music to make the show more appealing, I just wished more bands and artists did it. I think The Wall as an album is one of those examples where it just transcends being just music. There are several songs on it that I wouldn't say are "5/5" or even songs I want to listen to outside of the album, but as a whole, it just makes perfect sense, and it's just amazing. It's like when you watch a really good movie that blows you away, and you might be able to nitpick it and find a lot of flaws or parts that weren't amazing on their own, but as a whole it's just brilliant. That's pretty much what The Wall is for me, it's something more than "just" a music album.
/fanboy mode off
The show was incredible, and if you haven't seen it, you should!
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I think I said this before but...
The Wall album: Pretty good.
The Wall movie and live show: Freaking amazing.
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If I was more a fan of Waters I may be into seeing something like that. I'd much rather see a Gilmour led show.
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It's definitely FAR different from other PF albums (a fact I would discover later on....The Wall was one of the very first (if not THE first) PF album I heard all the way through).
But I don't get the "uneven" complaints that most people give. I love every single second of the album. Even though there are songs that are definitely better than others, I would have a difficult time (and I think I already did) picking a "least favorite" from the album.
Some of the supposed "filler" is among my all time favorite PF moments. One that comes to mind in particular is the transition from the end of Waiting for the Worms to Stop....could be my ALL TIME favorite PF moment actually.
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The Wall kind of suffers from something a lot of double album concept albums do-it kind of loses a little steam in the middle of side three, and gets it back sometime during side four. I'm not really sure why, but a whole lot of double concept albums just lose gas in their last half or so. It doesn't lose so much steam that it comes apart, simply because there's some great songs in that area, especially Comfortably Numb and Run Like Hell, but it meanders a bit in the middle of side three in particular.
That being said, though, that section of music is flat out AMAZING in the movie, though. Perhaps that's the problem; it's cinematic music and works better with visuals.
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There's just a whole lot of nothing going on for the majority of the album and the filler tracks are not even worth the payoff tracks a lot of the times. I'm probably a minority on this but the storyline and atmosphere of the album is dreadfully boring.
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I was at the same show as Zantera. That was among the greatest things I have ever seen in my life. This was me during most of the set :jawdrop:
Also, Bring the Boys Back Home was so powerful, maybe the highlight of the whole show.
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The use of surround-sound was also really cool. I remember my dad saying that when PF played here in 1994 they used a similar setup, with the sound "going around" the stadium so to speak. Really neat stuff.
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In the old days, Pink Floyd were one of the bands that pioneered what we then called "quadrophonic" sound. Rather than just having stacks on each side of the stage, there were stacks in all four corners of the auditorium. It was the natural extension of stereo sound. This was back in the 70's.
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My dad had a quadrophonic stereo and hung all 4 speakers in the dropped ceiling. The Door's Greatest hit's 8-Track sounded awesome.
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Quad was awesome. Too bad it never really caught on. A friend of mine had a quad system and no quad LPs. Flip of a switch, it was just a stereo with two pairs of speakers.
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Waters is still touring this thing? Is it just me or does it feel like The Wall tour is never going to end?
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I read somewhere that it he plans to retire after this tour
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The Wall kind of suffers from something a lot of double album concept albums do-it kind of loses a little steam in the middle of side three, and gets it back sometime during side four. I'm not really sure why, but a whole lot of double concept albums just lose gas in their last half or so. It doesn't lose so much steam that it comes apart, simply because there's some great songs in that area, especially Comfortably Numb and Run Like Hell, but it meanders a bit in the middle of side three in particular.
That being said, though, that section of music is flat out AMAZING in the movie, though. Perhaps that's the problem; it's cinematic music and works better with visuals.
I think you are right. I sometimes wonder if I would love The Wall as much as I do if I had heard the album first, instead of seeing the movie as my introduction to the record, but I can't change the past now. Whenever I listen to The Wall, it is impossible for me not to think of the movie.
Waters is still touring this thing? Is it just me or does it feel like The Wall tour is never going to end?
I am $ure he ha$ hi$ rea$on$. :biggrin:
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I read somewhere that it he plans to retire after this tour
If he ever ends the tour, that is... :lol
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I'm about to see The Wall in two weeks and I'm extremely excited. As far as I'm concerned, he should tour with The Wall until all of the world has seen it.
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I'm going to see The Wall next month at Wwembley, and while I'm looking forward to it, I can't help but wish he'd write some new stuff. It's been over 20 years since Amused to Death. :sadpanda:
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Waters is still touring this thing? Is it just me or does it feel like The Wall tour is never going to end?
It does feel like it's been toured forever, I actually wouldn't mind seeing it again. There are no US dates tho.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2013/darkside.html
This should be really cool.
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Tom Stoppard, eh? Sounds cool.
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Was in the mood to listen to Animals today.
So damn good...
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Has anyone else listened to the Darkside play yesterday evening on BBC Radio 2? For those who didn't, you can listen to the whole thing now on the BBC Radio 2 website. I listened to it until The Great Gig in the Sky but went to bed after since I had to get up pretty early today. I thought it was really intriguing.
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Saw The Wall yesterday, and I've been pretty much stunned the entire day. That wasn't just a rock concert, it was a true theater piece, it was a lecture. I'm emotionally exhausted, but at least I can say that I feel honored - we owe Roger big time. I still stand behind my statement that the show needs to be seen in as many places and audiences possible, because the world would be a better place.
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You are absolutely right. Going to see the show for the second time (first was in 2011) on Sunday.
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You are absolutely right. Going to see the show for the second time (first was in 2011) on Sunday.
It's even better the second time!
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If I had the opportunity to see it again, I would take some seats at the very middle but far back. I was standing relatively close this time around, which was fantastic, but I'm aware there were so many details I wasn't able to see.
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If I had the opportunity to see it again, I would take some seats at the very middle but far back. I was standing relatively close this time around, which was fantastic, but I'm aware there were so many details I wasn't able to see.
That's where I was my first time... Almost dead center in the nosebleeds. I
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If I had the opportunity to see it again, I would take some seats at the very middle but far back. I was standing relatively close this time around, which was fantastic, but I'm aware there were so many details I wasn't able to see.
Yup. I was really close too. But If he ever comes back here,I'm gonna be at the back in the middle. Cause there were so many effects using the both sides of the wall at the same time.
Also,If you wanna be closer to Roger during Nobody's Home,make sure you're on the left. :tup
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My God, people went absolutely bananas after he appeared like three feet away from them during Nobody home. And that was such a beautiful, touching performance. I still can't get over how amazing it was, I also failed an exam yesterday, that's what happens when you have an exam two days after you see The Wall. :lol
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So a friend of mine has been going nuts getting into Pink Floyd lately, and he bought that Immersion box set thing for Wish You Were Here. Today he brought it over and we listened to the 5.1 DVD.
At first I was like (https://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o669/bolsters/shrug.gif~original)
Then the vocals started (Shine On You Crazy Diamond), and I was all :omg:
Then Welcome To The Machine comes on, and it's :2metal:
The title track was pretty good too.
Welcome To The Machine sounds like it was made for surround sound, I'm not sure I'll even be able to listen to the stereo version again.
I've never really cared much about 5.1 mixes before, but I think this has changed my mind.
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Pink Floyd and surround sound are a natural combination. Their music has always had a very lush, immersive quality to it that is only enhanced by having it all around you. Pink Floyd was one of the first bands to tour with a full quadrophonic P.A. Four stacks, one in each corner of the venue, at their concerts. I haven't heard any Floyd in 5.1, but I've heard plenty in Quad, and it's pretty incredible.
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I am $ure he ha$ hi$ rea$on$. :biggrin:
I see what you did there.
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Stevie Wonder saw what he did there.
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Stevie Wonder saw what he did there.
But he's blind. It's not nice to mock the impaired.
;)
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Pink Floyd and surround sound are a natural combination. Their music has always had a very lush, immersive quality to it that is only enhanced by having it all around you. Pink Floyd was one of the first bands to tour with a full quadrophonic P.A. Four stacks, one in each corner of the venue, at their concerts. I haven't heard any Floyd in 5.1, but I've heard plenty in Quad, and it's pretty incredible.
I will never understand why they haven't done a 5.1 of their whole catalog (ala the Genesis boxed sets). I know that there are a few albums that they tend to distance themselves from...but that doesn't mean the demand (and the money) isn't there.
Doing "the biggies" is a good start...but I would even re-buy Ummagumma (my least favorite PF album) if they re-did the whole thing in a 5.1 and did it well.
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Hire Steven Wilson for the job
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That's a good thought, but he's busy doing the Yes catalogue right now. Close to the Edge just came out, and he's already announced that he's working on another one to be released in 2014. He intends to do all of the "classic" (presumably 70's) albums.
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Animals is fucking awesome. Nice to see many others think so too.
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I was just listening to A Momentary Lapse of Reason, and it's much better than I remembered it was. Tony Levin's bass work is awesome!
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I didn't know that was Tony Levin, I always thought it was Guy Pratt. Guess he joined later on.
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I wish AMLoR sounded better, as I like most of the songs. It just sounds so lifeless.
I think Guy Pratt just played with them live.
Meanwhile, he is one hilarious guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCR6R4Hpb-0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PquY0ZivYFE
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I wish AMLoR sounded better, as I like most of the songs. It just sounds so lifeless.
I think Guy Pratt just played with them live.
Meanwhile, he is one hilarious guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCR6R4Hpb-0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PquY0ZivYFE
yea
Guy came in because Tony couldn't commit to touring.
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I wish AMLoR sounded better, as I like most of the songs. It just sounds so lifeless.
That is definitely true of the studio version of Sorrow. I admittedly knew the live version first, but hearing the studio version of it was such a disappointment. The intro is just too heavy in the studio version, while the live version is less heavy and features that feedback and the sound of him sliding his fingers down the fretboard, which makes it sound totally awesome. Plus, the live version revisits the intro at the end, which the studio version does not. I rarely prefer live versions to studio ones, but in the case of Sorrow, the live version is light years better.
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I agree, but feel the same about Dogs of War, Yet Another Movie, and On the Turning Away as well. Of course I heard them live first too, so that colors my opinion. (I feel similarly about the second disc of DSoT)
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Animals is fucking awesome. Nice to see many others think so too.
It's the best one. Had it on earlier this week, awesome album.
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...people think AMLOR sounds bad?
:omg:
Get off my lawn, you damn whippersnappers! :lol
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I don't think it sounds bad in the same way Cool Chris seems to; I just think some of the songs were vastly outdone by the live versions (on both the AMLOR and TDB tours).
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Capital Cities did a cover of "Breathe" which also features Tupac Shakur, of all people.
https://soundcloud.com/capital-cities/capital-cities-ft-tupac-shakur
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Surprised to see so many votes for Animals. Not an albums I'd expect to be so many peoples' favorites. It's the only album by them I own by them other then The Wall. Love Animals way more.
And to be honest, the main reason I got into Animals and bought it was because I saw remember reading an interview with Adam Jones from Tool, and when asked he said Animals was his favorite PF album ;) Figured if this amazing an unique musician likes it the most, I gotta check it out. (i think Jones is one of the best guitarists out there, cuz he's not like the others. He focuses on creating a more textured sound with ambience an all that. Pretty much the opposite of Petrucci, who is a technical master)
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Surprised to see so many votes for Animals. Not an albums I'd expect to be so many peoples' favorites. It's the only album by them I own by them other then The Wall. Love Animals way more.
Oh come on, get WYWH. It's so amazing.
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Surprised to see so many votes for Animals. Not an albums I'd expect to be so many peoples' favorites. It's the only album by them I own by them other then The Wall. Love Animals way more.
And to be honest, the main reason I got into Animals and bought it was because I saw remember reading an interview with Adam Jones from Tool, and when asked he said Animals was his favorite PF album ;) Figured if this amazing an unique musician likes it the most, I gotta check it out. (i think Jones is one of the best guitarists out there, cuz he's not like the others. He focuses on creating a more textured sound with ambience an all that. Pretty much the opposite of Petrucci, who is a technical master)
Listen to Meddle and A Saucerful of Secrets, those are the best at guitar ambience.
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Animals, Wish You Were Here and Dark Side of the Moon :)
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Same here though, on the strength of Echoes alone (my Floyd fave), I almost made Meddle my third option.
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I like Meddle a lot. It's definitely my Number 4, behind the "big three" of Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, and Animals. The sad thing is that you can only pick three, and it's pretty much a given that The Wall will grab a lot of votes as well, so Meddle ends up with a pretty poor showing.
I find it interesting, and somehow encouraging, that The Wall is not one of the top three vote-getters. It's obviously quite popular, but it's the least prog of the 70's albums, and this is (mostly) a prog board, after all.
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I just have a tough time believing Ummagumma would get any votes at all.
Yes, I get that tastes vary, and that different fans will give it a different placing on the "top to bottom" Pink Floyd list. But with the depth of PF's catalog, and the amazing albums to choose from...the idea that ANYONE would put Ummagumma as a *top 3* album is just baffling to me.
The more interesting poll would be "top 3 pre-DSOTM" discs. I'm betting Meddle would win that in a route. I'm thinking Atom Heart Mother and Obscured By Clouds would have strong showings as well. But I suppose quite a few people would go for SoS and PatGoD.
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That's a very interesting poll indeed. I also think another poll could be "pre-Dark Side vs. post-Waters".
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I like Ummagumma. It's probably my number 5.
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I like Ummagumma. It's probably my number 5.
And even though I would put it on the bottom...I can accept and respect that it is your #5, and I can deal with it.
But 2 people voted it in the *top 3*.....of ALL OF THESE ALBUMS.... That is something that is a bit more difficult to swallow.
The live stuff is pretty good, and is a key redeeming feature of the album. (there is no "bad" Pink Floyd album) And the solo pieces have their redeeming moments, and I still enjoy listening to it as background music from time to time. (as a matter of fact, I'm in a mood. I think I'll throw it on right now)
But TOP 3?? ALL TIME?? With THAT catalog??
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I had a roommate who had a strong preference for early Pink Floyd. He was okay with them up until Dark Side of the Moon, but found Wish You Were Here to be kinda boring, and Animals pointless. Not everyone wants everything all drawn out and cerebral and epic. Early Floyd had some of the weirdness and a bit more scope than your average pop, but kept it to shorter, more easily consumed pieces. He really liked the first two albums, and thought Ummagumma was about as good as it gets. Different tastes.
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It's like my adoring of Opeth's first two albums, Orchid and Morningrise. Round here, n****s be trippin left and right about my love for them but I stay true. They have a certain vibe to them that trills my frenulum to an extent most of their other albums don't. Diff strokes, diff folks...ya dig?
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Hire Steven Wilson for the job
Please no, over hyped and vastly overrated, and this is coming from a Porcupine Tree fan.
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Vote for TDSODM,WYWH & Animals.
My top 50 PF songs
(50-20)
50.Fearless
49.Dogs Of War
48.What Do You Want From Me
47.Yet Another Movie
46.In The Flesh?
45.If
44.Your Possible Pasts
43.Astronomy Domine
42.On The Turning Away
41.Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun
40.Take It Back
39.Mother
38.Keep Talking
37.Brain Damage
36.Another Brick In The Wall Pt.2
35.The Gunner's Dream
34.Terminal Frost
33.Any Color U Like
32.Arnold Layne
31.Poles Apart
30.One Slip
29.Wish You Were Here
28.Hey You
27.The Great Gig In The Sky
26.Run Like Hell
25.Summer '68
24.Goodbye Blue Sky
23.Learning To Fly
22.A Great Day For Freedom
21.Speak To Me/Breathe
20.Atom Heart Mother
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Hire Steven Wilson for the job
Please no, over hyped and vastly overrated, and this is coming from a Porcupine Tree fan.
which ones do you think are overrated? I find his surround mixing work to be pretty phenomenal.
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Hire Steven Wilson for the job
Please no, over hyped and vastly overrated, and this is coming from a Porcupine Tree fan.
I can't agree. Steven has consistently shown an appreciation for the original "vibe" and meticulous attention to detail in his 5.1 mixes. When he makes the decision to alter the original mix, I've agreed with the result 95% of the time. Most of the time, it's simply a matter of bringing out something that has been missed or buried for years. With classic prog, this can be revelatory, as so much of it is heavily layered, and there's only so much space across a single X-dimension.
By contrast, I had the first two Genesis 5.1 boxes, and found a number of the changes distracting. That quiet keyboard line which was so effective is now punched up to full volume and has lost all subtlety. The layers of acoustic instruments were at different volumes for a reason; having them all equally balanced is not necessarily better. Yes, we now hear parts that we didn't hear before, but you don't just push everything to 10 and call it a remix. I sold both boxes on eBay and haven't really worried about it.
I just got Steven's Close to the Edge by Yes and I think he's done an excellent job. His work on King Crimson's Red and ELP's first two albums is also excellent. I consider them improvements over the originals, but completely in keeping with the original vibes.
I'm not sure what you would have against Steven doing Pink Floyd's back catalogue. He's shown a great deal of care for the original work and no need to put his "personal mark" on it. That's exactly what is needed for this type of thing, not Nick Davis' "I'll tweak everything" attitude that he showed with Genesis.
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I just got Steven's Close to the Edge by Yes and I think he's done an excellent job.
Same here. I got the blu-ray for Christmas. One of the best sounding things I've heard in a long time.
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While an SW-mixed PF album would be cool, it just feels like a bit of a waste to me since he could spend that time on making new music. However, considering what he is currently making (retro prog that has been done before), I wouldn't really mind it if he did some PF albums.
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I had a roommate who had a strong preference for early Pink Floyd. He was okay with them up until Dark Side of the Moon, but found Wish You Were Here to be kinda boring, and Animals pointless. Not everyone wants everything all drawn out and cerebral and epic. Early Floyd had some of the weirdness and a bit more scope than your average pop, but kept it to shorter, more easily consumed pieces. He really liked the first two albums, and thought Ummagumma was about as good as it gets. Different tastes.
It's not the "liking earlier stuff" that throws me. Even if someone really doesn't like anything post Meddle, it's hard for me to think of Ummagumma competing with Piper, Saucerful, Atom Heart, Meddle, Obscured... Those are some amazing and really deep and rich albums....
Even if you just took a "top 3 from Piper to Obscured", it's hard for me to imagine anyone picking Ummagumma in the top 3. But...ya, different strokes...
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Has anyone seen Brit Floyd live? They're coming to my city in October and I'm thinking about going, although the tickets cost over 50€.
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I saw them a year and a half ago and it was amazing, they're truly doing a fantastic job. I'd definitely recommend it.
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I saw them a year and a half ago and it was amazing, they're truly doing a fantastic job. I'd definitely recommend it.
I'll keep that in mind! :tup I watched a couple of videos and they seem to be pretty good and have a cool stage production.
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I saw them a year and a half ago and it was amazing, they're truly doing a fantastic job. I'd definitely recommend it.
I'll keep that in mind! :tup I watched a couple of videos and they seem to be pretty good and have a cool stage production.
I watched their Red Rocks performance on the local PBS station a couple of weeks ago and it looked awesome. They put a lot of effort into their performance.
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It's like my adoring of Opeth's first two albums, Orchid and Morningrise. Round here, n****s be trippin left and right about my love for them but I stay true. They have a certain vibe to them that trills my frenulum to an extent most of their other albums don't. Diff strokes, diff folks...ya dig?
/off topic/ When I get back to my top 50, one of my top ten might just please you /on topic/
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I haven't read the whole thread (because it's fucking 23 pages long) so I apologize if it has been asked earlier.
I'm thinking of buying this Pink Floyd Discovery Box Set as a present for my uncle's birthday. Have anyone bought it? I would be glad to hear any feedback. I've heard the quality of remasters is great, but the package isn't handy at all. Any thoughts?
Oh, and if you have it, the photos would be much appreciated!
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So I'm probably going to get hell for this but...
I think the 1981 re-recording on Money on A Great Collection Of Dance Songs > The DSOTM version.
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https://www.divisionbell20.com/
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It's like my adoring of Opeth's first two albums, Orchid and Morningrise. Round here, n****s be trippin left and right about my love for them but I stay true. They have a certain vibe to them that trills my frenulum to an extent most of their other albums don't. Diff strokes, diff folks...ya dig?
/off topic/ When I get back to my top 50, one of my top ten might just please you /on topic/
Checking now...
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So I'm probably going to get hell for this but...
I think the 1981 re-recording on Money on A Great Collection Of Dance Songs > The DSOTM version.
:angry:
You're dead to me.
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So I'm probably going to get hell for this but...
I think the 1981 re-recording on Money on A Great Collection Of Dance Songs > The DSOTM version.
:eek :eek
That re-recording is something that, for years, I wish I could have unheard. It's bad.
https://www.divisionbell20.com/
Awesome. I adore The Division Bell, and I am thrilled to see it is getting this treatment. :coolio :hat
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actually i listened to it again... Money that is.... and I gotta say... I take back what I said. lol
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Nice to see you put your money where your mouth is.
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ha
ha
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LOVE LOVE LOVE The Division Bell, but that set is ridiculously overpriced as there is no new content, and that album, like the others has already made enough money to fly this whole forum to Disney World. The Pink Floyd name has been such a ridiculous money suck with these things. I'd happily pay $20 for a blu-ray or DVD with a 5.1 of the album, but if I remember correctly, that simple option wasn't even offered with the other sets.
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official vid for "Marooned" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7YMI39sObY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7YMI39sObY)
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I don't know if you guys have already seen this video, but it's behind the scenes with Roger, Dave, and Nick from Rogers' show at the O2 Arena in 2011.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0T7FRKTj00
I got chills during the Comfortably Numb solo...
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Polly Samson on Twitter:
Btw Pink Floyd album out in October is called "The Endless River". Based on 1994 sessions is Rick Wright's swansong and very beautiful.
(Polly Samson's Twitter (source)) (https://twitter.com/PollySamson/status/485411029573439488)
WHUT? :omg:
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I heard about that. Not sure if epic troll or epic amazing.
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I'm going to hope for epic amazing.
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Hmmmm, we'll see what becomes of this...
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Well, in the year of 2014, who knew we'd be getting new Pink Floyd? Oh wait...we also have new King Crimson and new Yes as well. What is this, 40 years ago?! :rollin
Seriously though, I won't have my expectations high or this one, but I'll definitely get it, no doubt, whether Roger Waters is involved or not or if it's just another Gilmour-led Mason and Wright album.
-Marc.
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I'm not really a fan of Floyd without Waters, so my interest in this is pretty minimal. Of course, I'll still give it a listen.
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There is part of me saying, based on what I've read talking about how Wright is involved in it, "don't get too excited, it's probably a few songs that Wright worked on back around Division Bell finished by Gilmour and Mason and maybe a few other songs written since then."
The rest of me is bouncing madly like a kid going "PINK FUCKING FLOYD!" :lol
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That is kind of my thought as well. I mean, yeah, it's Pink Floyd, but if it is mostly songs that weren't good enough to make The Division Bell (an album I have never hidden my love for), its upside is limited, but perhaps they are rewriting and reworking them a bit around Wright's pre-existing keyboard parts, and it's not like they couldn't have Jon Carin come in and add any new keyboard parts that are needed.
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It would be cool if Waters appeared as a guest on the album, or had any credits at all. I mean, I know they have had big fights over the years, and they might still not be the best of friends, and they seem to have giant egos. But, it's one thing to split up in their 30's-40's over creative differences and where to take a band, and to just swallow their pride/stubbornness in their 60's/70's and just make something together. I doubt this new album means anything more than a final send off for Pink Floyd, and the chances of a new PF touring again are slim at best, so it would kinda be nice if Waters did appear on the album. I think the classic Pink Floyd lineup with both Gilmour/Waters is what most people really love.
I think egos will prevent that from happening though.
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I'll look at this like Queen's "Made In Heaven". Which I liked.
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https://consequenceofsound.net/2014/07/pink-floyd-to-release-new-album-the-endless-river-in-october/ (https://consequenceofsound.net/2014/07/pink-floyd-to-release-new-album-the-endless-river-in-october/)
Singer Durga McBroom-Hudson, who toured with Pink Floyd throughout the 1980s and early 1990s, revealed further details on her Facebook page. “The recording did start during The Division Bell sessions (and yes, it was the side project originally titled ‘The Big Spliff’ that [Pink Floyd drummer] Nick Mason spoke about),” she explained. “Which is why there are Richard Wright tracks on it. But David and Nick have gone in and done a lot more since then. It was originally to be a completely instrumental recording, but I came in last December and sang on a few tracks. David then expanded on my backing vocals and has done a lead on at least one of them. That’s the song you see being worked on in the photo.” She also added that the album consists entirely of “unreleased songs.”
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It would be cool if Waters appeared as a guest on the album, or had any credits at all. I mean, I know they have had big fights over the years, and they might still not be the best of friends, and they seem to have giant egos. But, it's one thing to split up in their 30's-40's over creative differences and where to take a band, and to just swallow their pride/stubbornness in their 60's/70's and just make something together. I doubt this new album means anything more than a final send off for Pink Floyd, and the chances of a new PF touring again are slim at best, so it would kinda be nice if Waters did appear on the album. I think the classic Pink Floyd lineup with both Gilmour/Waters is what most people really love.
I think egos will prevent that from happening though.
Yeah, I agree that ending their recording career with an album featuring all the four members of the classic line-up would be cool, but it looks like this is just a Gilmour/Mason project with some stuff Wright recorded before his death. I'll check this out despite Waters' absence, out of curiosity, and now I have another reason to get familiar with the post-Wall records (one being that I have a ticket to a Brit Floyd concert in October).
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I could see them finding some space for some Waters' vocals or something like that, although who knows if Waters would be keen on contributing considering some of the lyrics from the album these sessions came from were fairly critical of him (Lost for Words, the 2nd verse of Poles Apart, etc.).
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I'm incredibly excited for the album, but at the same time, I'm also a bit disappointed that this means that "High Hopes" is no longer the final song in Pink Floyd's material. It's one of my all-time favorite songs ever and almost definitely my personal favorite Floyd song ever. It was the perfect send-off to an incredible band.
Either way, still psyched for the new album! :hat
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I'm incredibly excited for the album, but at the same time, I'm also a bit disappointed that this means that "High Hopes" is no longer the final song in Pink Floyd's material. It's one of my all-time favorite songs ever and almost definitely my personal favorite Floyd song ever. It was the perfect send-off to an incredible band.
Either way, still psyched for the new album! :hat
Pretty much this!
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Disappointed that Roger won't be on it but I'm still excited as hell for it, maybe even more than the new Opeth album!
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Disappointed that Roger won't be on it but I'm still excited as hell for it, maybe even more than the new Opeth album!
Now that you mention Opeth, I can see the new Pink Floyd album taking a lot of Top Spots in next year's DPRPoll, and other Best-Of-2014 lists/polls later this year into next year. All other band's works will be over-shadowed, I'm sure, unless the new King Crimson album knocks it out of the park. I can see the reunited KC being a huge event with a new album.
-Marc.
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Do we know if King Crimson is actually putting out a new album this year? All I know is that a small sample of new music was released the other day. It might not come out until next year or something.
Still, Pink Floyd will almost definitely be topping a lot of Album of the Year lists.
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Do we know if King Crimson is actually putting out a new album this year? All I know is that a small sample of new music was released the other day. It might not come out until next year or something.
Still, Pink Floyd will almost definitely be topping a lot of Album of the Year lists.
I feel like if they're releasing bits of new music, they've already recorded stuff. It might not be the final mixes or even be close to mastered, but it's only July, and I'm sure they could pump out the album before year's end. I mean, it's been over a decade since the last new KC album. I think they'd want it out ASAP, especially with the group going on tour.
The question will be, will Mason and Gilmour go out on tour for their new album?
-Marc.
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Disappointed that Roger won't be on it but I'm still excited as hell for it, maybe even more than the new Opeth album!
How do we know that Waters won't be on it?
The more I think about it, the more I think they will find a way to get him on it, even if it's just a few vocal sections or something. My initial thought was otherwise, but I could see them wanting to go out with this final album with all four from the classic lineup on it. It would be very fitting.
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I don't think Roger Waters could contribute to a Pink Floyd album without trying to take over the whole thing and dominate the songwriting. I'm no fan of The Final Cut, so I'd actually be happier if he had nothing to do with a new album. :lol Though I don't have high hopes anyway since this album appears to be comprised of leftovers from another album, and one of the contributing artists died several years ago.
Their best stuff was the collaborative efforts between the members, Waters included, but I'm not convinced that they are even capable of working together like that anymore.
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I can't think of a single reason why Roger would be involved or why anyone would think he might.
He hasn't been involved with anything PF (bar Live 8) band related for close to 30 years, so why would Gilmour/Mason want or need to involve him?
Plus he was the one who sacked Rick from the band.
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Portnoy is already bitching about this. I was wondering how long it will take. He just can't shut the fuck up.
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Disappointed that Roger won't be on it but I'm still excited as hell for it, maybe even more than the new Opeth album!
How do we know that Waters won't be on it?
The more I think about it, the more I think they will find a way to get him on it, even if it's just a few vocal sections or something. My initial thought was otherwise, but I could see them wanting to go out with this final album with all four from the classic lineup on it. It would be very fitting.
Take this with a grain of salt...
According to information coming from Dan Wootton (The Sun) and Durga McBroom, Roger Waters will not be involved in the project.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Endless_River
Durga McBroom is doing background vocals on the album, so I would presume she would know who is and isn't involved with the album.
I think it would be pretty Earth-shattering if Roger was on the album, and it would definitely push sales up through the stratosphere, and fans who are dreading a Division Bell-leftovers album would feel a bit better about it, I'm sure. I think an infusion of Waters ideas and performance would be great, but as it stands, this is just looking like TDB-Part 2, to me. I think having Roger would be great, and a great way to really finish the career of Pink Floyd, and definitely call it a day after this album. Depending on how it sounds, this album could just be the final flash of glory before the spark finally dies, especially since it has been on a low sizzle for 20 years.
-Marc.
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Well, if that is correct, then my initial instinct was the right one. :lol :facepalm:
I think it'd be cool if Waters was involved in some fashion, but if he's not, no big deal to me, and I have the utmost faith in Gilmour to make sure this is good instead of just a "hey, let's release some stuff we have laying around" cash grab. That was never his or their style, and I don't see it being that now.
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I'm not sure what to think. Sounds like the songs are leftovers from 20 years ago, if they were really great they wouldn't be leftovers and they would not lie dormant for 20 years. On the other hand it's f*cking Pink Floyd, so I'm a little bit excited. Oh and I'm sure that Roger Waters has nothing to do with this record.
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The fact that some of the ideas might be from 20 years ago and did not make The Division Bell does not necessarily = the songs did not make the cut because they were bad or worse than the songs on that album. It is possible that that is the case, but it is also possible that songs were cut because they did not fit the overall vibe or feeling of the album, made the album too lengthy, they couldn't find a right placement or order on the album, etc.
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Yeah I hope that the latter will be the case but I don't hold my breath for it
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Actually, from the sound of things, these songs were supposed to be for a different project that they were working on at the same time as The Division Bell. It just never got finished until now, it seems.
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I'm not sure what to think. Sounds like the songs are leftovers from 20 years ago, if they were really great they wouldn't be leftovers and they would not lie dormant for 20 years. On the other hand it's f*cking Pink Floyd, so I'm a little bit excited. Oh and I'm sure that Roger Waters has nothing to do with this record.
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Very interesting speculation.
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/pink-floyd-david-gilmour-ambient-orb-album/
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If its songs from TDB, then The Endless River is a great title, it fits.
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From their FB page earlier today:
Pink Floyd can confirm that they are releasing a new album "The Endless River" in October 2014. It is an album of mainly ambient and instrumental music based on the 1993/4 Division Bell sessions which feature David Gilmour, Nick Mason and Richard Wright. The album is produced by David Gilmour with Phil Manzanera, Youth and recording engineer Andy Jackson. Work is still in progress, but more details to come at the end of the Summer.
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Yeah reminds me of the PF Trances Mixes, I do like them once in a while.
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https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/pink_floyds_the_endless_river_will_feature_graham_nash_and_david_crosby.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/pink_floyds_the_endless_river_will_feature_graham_nash_and_david_crosby.html)
Graham Nash is providing new insights into Pink Floyd's forthcoming "The Endless River" project, confirming that he and long-time bandmate David Crosby added vocals to a David Gilmour-penned track dealing with loss. "We went down to sing on this particular song that he wrote about friends that had died," Nash reveals, in a new talk with VH-1 Radio Network's Dave Basner (via Ultimate Classic Rock). "It's a beautiful song, too - beautiful."
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This is great news. I love their harmonies, and they also sang on Dave's "On An Island".
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That's kinda wacky, a bit outside of the "normal Pink Floyd" realm, but still could be very cool. I liked Crosby and Nash's little guest appearance on Gilmour's concert vid.
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45 years ago today since the moon landing. Here's PF's track "Moonhead" they recorded for it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2HHT7txFQ0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2HHT7txFQ0)
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That was interesting. Typical ambient, spacy 60's Pink Floyd I guess. Not something I'd seek out today, but maybe back in my hallucinogenic years.
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With the new Pink Floyd album looming over the horizon, an insider shared a few tidbits regarding the overall vibe, noting that the record won't be bringing any hit singles, and will also mark the end of the band. As reported, "The Endless River" is expected to drop later this year, featuring unreleased material from 1994's "The Division Bell" sessions. According to the Sun source, "It's not what fans will necessarily expect. The other songs, which David [Gilmour] has worked on with Nick Mason, are lengthy instrumentals rather than straight-up rock.
"It's beautiful but not exactly 'Another Brick in the Wall' or 'Wish You Were Here.' It's very spacey. It's got lots of keyboards from Rick [Wright] so you can see why the band are calling it his swansong. The track that Gilmour recorded vocals on will be the band's last-ever real song. It's a proper epic and a fitting farewell."
Seeing that the record was already described as predominantly ambient music, the new info should hardly strike you as surprising. However, the end-of-the-band claims do come as somewhat of a fresh info.
"It would probably be the highest-grossing tour in history if they reunited with Roger Waters. But Gilmour just won't have it. This album really is the end of Pink Floyd - for ever," the insider concluded (via Gigwise).
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/pink_floyd_album_update_its_not_what_fans_will_necessarily_expect.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/pink_floyd_album_update_its_not_what_fans_will_necessarily_expect.html)
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I think it could be cool. I don't mind long instrumental pieces, since I listen to a lot of Post-Rock and Ambient stuff, so it could very well be great.
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I think it could be cool. I don't mind long instrumental pieces, since I listen to a lot of Post-Rock and Ambient stuff, so it could very well be great.
And, particularly, considering Pink Floyd are known for lengthy instrumental passages and ambient sections.
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That's actually what sounds coolest of all to me, the instrumentals featuring Rick's keyboards. I'm looking forward to this.
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I can't figure out why every version of The Wall movie is so grainy and low res., even the DVD..
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I don't know much PF history, but I didn't think Rick had much left in the creative tank by this point.
And I don't generally like bands to release albums of rejects or cutting room floor stuff, but sounds like this material is getting proper attention from David and Nick. Mildly curious about this.
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I can't figure out why every version of The Wall movie is so grainy and low res., even the DVD..
It was likely shot on lower-quality film stock. And then every transfer to digital has to start from there. Nowadays, they remaster and sometimes apply noise reduction (video noise reduction that is) but there's only so much they can do when the original flim stock was crap, and unless it says it's a remaster, it's just a direct transfer.
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I can't remember if this has been posted in this thread or not but a while ago I found something pretty neat on youtube.
This is PULSE but it shows the PPV live broadcast along with the PPV live track so you can hear PULSE raw and unedited essentially, different camera shots as well.
Here is Part 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pat8A6TGBOc
You can find the second set on there too but it's split up into individual songs.
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I still have the original show of it on VHS buried somewhere, as it was shown live on PPV. I remember when the video came out, some of the camera angles and whatnot were different.
As awesome as Pulse is, it still aggravates me that Astronomy Domine was chucked as the live opener. It was an awesome opener and the video screen stuff for it was totally bad ass.
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Holy shit
at 1:00:33
DAT ENIGMA!
https://youtu.be/Pat8A6TGBOc?t=1h33s
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Oh Yeah, the Enigma campaign! I love that, though I'd like an answer now about it.
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When I was in high school, I read about the campaign. I thought it was awesome. Then I got PULSE. I was looking forward to seeing that one shot with ENIGMA.
AND IT WASN'T THERE.
I was so disappoint.
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Holy shit
at 1:00:33
DAT ENIGMA!
https://youtu.be/Pat8A6TGBOc?t=1h33s
Wow I'm completely missed it the first go around.
I have to say it again Tim Renwick has some pretty awesome solos on PULSE.
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"Pink Floyd today unveiled the artwork for upcoming album The Endless River by displaying in 10 cities around the world, including an eight-metre installation on London’s South Bank.
David Gilmour and Nick mason have also revealed that the title – a tribute to late keyboardist Rick Wright – will be released on November 10 as an 18-track, four-sided double-album, with the intent of promoting the classic format.
Gilmour has confirmed Floyd’s first record in 21 years has its roots in sessions for 1993 release The Division Bell. He says: “We listened to over 20 hours of the three of us playing together. Over the last year we've added new parts, re-recorded others and generally harnessed studio technology to make a 21st century Pink Floyd album. "
https://prog.teamrock.com/news/2014-09-22/pink-floyd-endless-river-artwork-tracklist
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I like the cover, very Floydish :tup
Also: 18 tracks double album!
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The snippet :caffeine:
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It shows one CD-disc on the standard edition pic (https://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71rxcgq9t3L._SL1500_.jpg) though. Anyway, I'm getting CD+DVD edition with the hardcover booklet, I guess.
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I can't figure out why every version of The Wall movie is so grainy and low res., even the DVD..
It was shot on 80mm film, that's why. It looks great on a cinema screen, not so good on a tv screen.
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The snippet :caffeine:
What snippet?
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It's just dawned on me that the guy who designed the cover for The Endless River wasn't even born when Pink Floyd's last album came out. Let that sink in for a moment.
Very nice artwork. I must admit I'm not that eager to get it immediately upon release, but I may wind up buying it in the future. Of course, that may change when a track is released and we can actually hear the music.
Another side point re. the article from Graham Nash mentioned here in July. He revealed that he was working with Gilmour on a song "about friends that had died". Now, I'm pretty sure that On An Island is about that. I believe Gilmour said that (or something along those lines) after performing it on the Remember That Night DVD.
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The snippet :caffeine:
What snippet?
There is an audio snippet in the Listen section. It seems that all kind of good things come under the label "Listen" these days :P
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The snippet :caffeine:
What snippet?
There is an audio snippet in the Listen section. It seems that all kind of good things come under the label "Listen" these days :P
:rollin Got it!
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I didn't like the cover that much, looks like something Dream Theater would use, maybe cause it reminds me of the Dramatic Turn of Events cover.
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What if they hade the unicycling clown in the boat? :lol
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Now you're on to something! hehe
The guy in the boat is probably the unicyclist finding new ways to cross bridges in the sky.
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:clap:
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The cover reminds me more of Spock's Beard's last album, Brief Nocturnes And Dreamless Sleep.
- Marc.
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Don't care much for the cover. It looks a lot like We're Here Because We're Here meets A Dramatic Turn of Events. With that said, I'm still curious about this album. I don't have any expectations, but hopefully at least a few songs stand out.
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I still can't find the audio snippit, but I did notice who 'slammed' the new album.
Only mildly curious about this. Interest went down reading it is primarily instrumental.
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https://www.pinkfloyd.com/theendlessriver/listen
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Sounds like Marooned
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The snippet doesn't work for me. The video plays, but there is no audio to it. What is more annoying is that the TV commercial thing works fine. >:(
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Click on the play button on the left with Audio?
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Click on the play button on the left with Audio?
:facepalm:
I thought that arrow was just indicating that I was in the audio section, and that the video there was supposed to be the audio snippet.
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Yeah I was stumped for a while there because common sense would mean the video would have the audio, but nope.
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I dig the album art. If the snippet (which I did quite enjoy) is any indication, it seems to fit the music pretty well.
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Another snippet from The Endless River. Not really impressed, but my expectations weren't high so it's alright.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doUm7viV9oc
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Another snippet from The Endless River. Not really impressed, but my expectations weren't high so it's alright.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doUm7viV9oc
That was alright. The strings in the background totally could've been higher in the mix. I'll approach this album with zero expectations, just to be safe.
-Marc.
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I enjoyed the preview on their site more than this one. I'm not going into this album with extraordinarily high expectations either. I feel too many people are expecting another Dark Side of the Moon or Wish You Were Here, and to be honest, I feel sorry for them.
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I'm looking forward to this one. :tup
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Me too. I'm fine with there being a lot of instrumentals. In fact, I'd rather have instrumentals than non-Floyd people singing. I love Graham Nash and some of the others listed, but hearing their voices would take me out of the Floyd immersion. It would emphasize that this is stuff put together afterwards, rather than tracks put together by Pink Floyd in pieces posthumously, kinda like the Beatles posthumous songs.
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^ This man is correct.
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Third sample from The Endless River:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQocDfdtBco (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQocDfdtBco)
More upbeat this time.
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Definitely. Hard to judge from a 30 second bit, but I dig.
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I'm gonna listen the shit out of this album, and I know I'm gonna love it :lol
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What I love about these samples so far is that they actually remind me of early Porcupine Tree...which I understand was itself an homage to Floyd...but still.
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Good interview:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0288yhn
Props to Gilmour for being candid and honest, yet classy, about why they cannot work with Roger Waters anymore.
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Here's Louder Than Words, the new song I've found on facebook thanks to RJ
https://vid.me/NCt
I think it's alright, I can totally see it being on Gilmour solo album. Wasn't too impressed by the first three minutes, but the solo is nice.
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Here's Louder Than Words, the new song I've found on facebook thanks to RJ
https://vid.me/NCt
I think it's alright, I can totally see it being on Gilmour solo album. Wasn't too impressed by the first three minutes, but the solo is nice.
I'm enjoying it myself, though I'll always associate High Hopes as being the final Pink Floyd song. I'm treating this and the rest of the upcoming album as a post-mortem release, as it were.
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Same here. To me, this is like their Made in Heaven (Queen's previously-unfinished songs that they released after Freddie Mercury's death).
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Same here. To me, this is like their Made in Heaven (Queen's previously-unfinished songs that they released after Freddie Mercury's death).
Yeah, exactly what I was thinking of. Speaking of which, isn't Queen in the process of making another album from unfinished songs with Freddie? I could've sword I heard about that awhile back.
Still, I'm interested in seeing how The Endless River turns out.
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Louder than words was love at first listen. Doesn't feels like an outtake of the division bell at all.
I need this record so much. I have never though I would see a "new" Pink Floyd record and this is like... like... i don't fucking now.
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Same here. To me, this is like their Made in Heaven (Queen's previously-unfinished songs that they released after Freddie Mercury's death).
Yeah, exactly what I was thinking of. Speaking of which, isn't Queen in the process of making another album from unfinished songs with Freddie? I could've sword I heard about that awhile back.
It's called Queen Forever and all it amounts to is three new songs and the rest is just a compilation. Comes out next month I think. They hyped it up as another Made In Heaven type of deal and when the actual announcement happened a lot of people were underwhelmed because of that.
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Apparently, David Gilmour plans to release his new solo album in 2015 and do a small tour in support of it.
https://www.prog-sphere.com/news/david-gilmour-new-solo-album-scheduled-for-2015/
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Any new updates?
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New track here:
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/pink_floyd_unveil_new_track_allons-y_1.html
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New track here:
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/pink_floyd_unveil_new_track_allons-y_1.html
Eh, that was alright. I'm sure it sounds a LOT better in context to the whole album, but even if that's the case, why sample out an interlude? Heck, I've heard better Pink Floyd interludes on Porcupine Tree albums! Ah well, I'll reserve full judgement until I've heard the whole album.
-Marc.
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Although the album doesn't official hit in the UK and US until tomorrow and Tuesday respectively, it's been out since yesterday in Germany. Anyone listen to this album yet? I've given it a soft-listen, while at work doing a bunch of things, but it sounds like Floyd. I can't really say much else until I have given it a hard-listen with headphones at home.
I can't say that it'll be a GREAT PF album, but it's a suitable epilogue coming after the epic climax that was The Division Bell. And it's an epilogue that is not consequential to the overall "story" that is Pink Floyd, but it doesn't necessarily hurt it either.
-Marc.
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My shower thought was, "This isn't the grand climax, this is the swansong for the band." So far, what I've heard, I've enjoyed it.
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I listened to it on Spotify today... Not bad and you can hear lots of traces of classic Floyd albums like Wish You Were Here, but not exactly mindblowing either. I guess it's a nice epilogue for the band's story and career.
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I listened to it on Spotify today... Not bad and you can hear lots of traces of classic Floyd albums like Wish You Were Here, but not exactly mindblowing either. I guess it's a nice epilogue for the band's story and career.
Agreed.
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This album is certainly helped by having a good knowledge of the other albums because there are sounds from Wright's keyboards that remind me of songs. (Shine On You Crazy Diamond and Echoes come to mind.)
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After a couple listens in, I have to say that I am enjoying this quite a bit. I was admittedly a bit pessimistic about it going in, but, while some of the short songs sound like bits that could have been fleshed out more into full length tracks, as a whole, this is pretty darn good.
And it has to be said: anyone resorting to the "Yeah, but it doesn't have Roger Waters" line or any nonsense like that, needs to get the hell over it. Waters hasn't been a member of the band in nearly 30 YEARS, and to even mention Waters when reviewing the record completely misses the point of the record, which was clearly released as a tribute to Richard Wright. Considering the way he spoke of Wright for a long time after leaving the band, Roger Waters didn't deserve to be on a Pink Floyd record that was a tribute to him. So yeah, there it is.
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And it has to be said: anyone resorting to the "Yeah, but it doesn't have Roger Waters" line or any nonsense like that, needs to get the hell over it. Waters hasn't been a member of the band in nearly 30 YEARS, and to even mention Waters when reviewing the record completely misses the point of the record, which was clearly released as a tribute to Richard Wright. Considering the way he spoke of Wright for a long time after leaving the band, Roger Waters didn't deserve to be on a Pink Floyd record that was a tribute to him. So yeah, there it is.
All of this.
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I actually love it to bits, because it's precisely what I thought it would be: a quieter, mainly instrumental and ambient album that serves as the coda to the band's career and a tribute to Rick Wright. It knocks that out of the park and exceeded my expectations for it. The only part that is really lacking to me is actually Louder Than Words, which is kind of just there for me. The instrumentals are amazing.
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I listened to it on Spotify today... Not bad and you can hear lots of traces of classic Floyd albums like Wish You Were Here, but not exactly mindblowing either. I guess it's a nice epilogue for the band's story and career.
That's my first reaction as well.
On second listen, if you don't pay attention, it can easily become background music. It is very relaxed and laid back, maybe a bit too much for my liking.
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I listened to it on Spotify today... Not bad and you can hear lots of traces of classic Floyd albums like Wish You Were Here, but not exactly mindblowing either. I guess it's a nice epilogue for the band's story and career.
That's my first reaction as well.
On second listen, if you don't pay attention, it can easily become background music. It is very relaxed and laid back, maybe a bit too much for my liking.
That's what I'm getting from this album. I'm not into all-instrumental albums (one or two per album is enough for me) so I'm not really feeling this album at the moment.
But I already knew beforehand that it was going to be a mostly instrumental album so I was prepared for it.
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I've listened to it three times already and am partway through a fourth. I think it's amazing.
I've always preferred the instrumental side of Pink Floyd anyway, so I'm sure that that helps. And some of it definitely sounds derivative of their earlier work, sometimes even evoking specific tracks ("It's What We Do" sounds a lot like the intro to "Shine On You Crazy Diamond", and it also goes into a section that sounds like "Welcome to the Machine") but I love that stuff, and I'm up for more of the same. The flow to the whole package is terrific. One completely forgets that this is not music composed by the band, but essentially tracks laid upon existing tracks. The Pink Floyd vibe is there.
I'm trying to figure out how to make an edit of the whole thing, but fading up after the first track and down before "Louder Than Words". (Actually, I know what to do and already have the software; it's in the cost/benefit analysis stage.) I love getting immersed in the instrumentals, and "We bitch and we fight" completely destroys the mood created over the past 45 minutes. I understand their purpose and Gilmour's intent, but the bookends in this case bring the total package down a notch for me.
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Yeah, after 45 minutes of blissed out, Pink Floyd hasn't really sounded like this since the seventies music, the first line of Louder Than Words just drops you right out of the mood.
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What's everyone's favourite Side so far? Mine is Side 2 but Side 3 makes a strong contender for that spot too.
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I had no clue they were making a new PF album until I saw a commercial on TV. O_O Who is it, David and Nick? How is it?
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The structure of it reminds me a bit of The Theory of Everything by Ayreon. Are we supposed to consider these four 10-minute-plus epics or 18 short bits of songs?
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I had no clue they were making a new PF album until I saw a commercial on TV. O_O Who is it, David and Nick? How is it?
It's Nick, David and Rick, using old pieces of music from 93/94 as the basis. It's a swansong to Richard Wright and the instrumentation of Pink Floyd, so if like that aspect, this is a great album.
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just heard "Louder than Words"........disappointed.
it sounded like a song that should've been shelved. hope the rest sounds better.
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Listened to the blu-ray twice yesterday. Laid back, but really enjoyed it.
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There's a cut on spotify called Nervana, that is almost certainly a jam and seems to not be that much edited. Anyway, that is the track I like the most because it is rocking and powerful.
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Nick Mason talks about possible future Floyd releases:
"I know both Roger and David have at times mentioned they'd like to have a remix of 'Animals,' which technically is perhaps one of our less well-recorded records."
He continued, "I think we'd just probably clean up some of the tapes and just sort of review it and see whether it can be enhanced. And if one was doing that, one might have a look at whether there's anything else to be done on it. But no one's got that down on their work schedule at the moment."
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/pink_floyd_might_present_more_unreleased_music_in_the_future_nick_mason_says.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/pink_floyd_might_present_more_unreleased_music_in_the_future_nick_mason_says.html)
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This saddens me. Animals is my favorite, and they completely skipped over it. They did Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, then went right to The Wall. Now it looks like they're not even going to bother coming back to it.
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For the record, I actually do like the new Pink Floyd album! (So yes, I'll eat my words which I made a few months ago before I understood what this album was all about) I'm a huge fan of the Ummagumma/Pompeii-era, so I totally "get it" (and I assume many of their more mainstream fans will not...)
Hey, this is merely my humble opinion as a fan and no need to make headlines or a "press release" out of it!!! (But of course, now that I've said something "positive" about the album, nobody will notice anyways! Hahaha!!)
-Marc.
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For the record, I actually do like the new Pink Floyd album! (So yes, I'll eat my words which I made a few months ago before I understood what this album was all about) I'm a huge fan of the Ummagumma/Pompeii-era, so I totally "get it" (and I assume many of their more mainstream fans will not...)
Hey, this is merely my humble opinion as a fan and no need to make headlines or a "press release" out of it!!! (But of course, now that I've said something "positive" about the album, nobody will notice anyways! Hahaha!!)
-Marc.
That quote reeks of Tate level douchery.
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This saddens me. Animals is my favorite, and they completely skipped over it. They did Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, then went right to The Wall. Now it looks like they're not even going to bother coming back to it.
Even though a good chunk of Animals was written around the time of WYWH, I suspect they view Animals as part of the Waters-dominated era, which doesn't interest them as much for obvious reasons. The Wall they obviously did cause it's iconic and they recognize it as such, but nothing from Animals or The Final Cut was ever played by Pink Floyd or Gilmour solo since Waters left the band. In short, it's not nearly as popular as the other three from the classic era (1973-1979), except with diehard fans, and they might not even be aware of that, so they probably don't think interest for it is high.
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This saddens me. Animals is my favorite, and they completely skipped over it. They did Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, then went right to The Wall. Now it looks like they're not even going to bother coming back to it.
Even though a good chunk of Animals was written around the time of WYWH, I suspect they view Animals as part of the Waters-dominated era, which doesn't interest them as much for obvious reasons. The Wall they obviously did cause it's iconic and they recognize it as such, but nothing from Animals or The Final Cut was ever played by Pink Floyd or Gilmour solo since Waters left the band. In short, it's not nearly as popular as the other three from the classic era (1973-1979), except with diehard fans, and they might not even be aware of that, so they probably don't think interest for it is high.
OTOH, Gilmore has gone on record as defending the album *against* it being a "Waters dominated" album. Specifically, he says that since Dogs is 90% his, that's pretty much half the album....hence, he is responsible for half the Animals album.
I think it's more likely that the one song he is responsible for (and presumably proud of) simply would take up too large of a chunk of the set.
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For the record, I actually do like the new Pink Floyd album! (So yes, I'll eat my words which I made a few months ago before I understood what this album was all about) I'm a huge fan of the Ummagumma/Pompeii-era, so I totally "get it" (and I assume many of their more mainstream fans will not...)
Hey, this is merely my humble opinion as a fan and no need to make headlines or a "press release" out of it!!! (But of course, now that I've said something "positive" about the album, nobody will notice anyways! Hahaha!!)
-Marc.
That quote reeks of Tate level douchery.
Ah, yes and no. The way I read it, Mike knows full well that basically everything he says will be pounced upon by the media, and he'd said something negative a while back about the new Floyd (I never saw it, but obviously something was said), and now he realizes that he was wrong and he likes it. But he feels like he can't just say that; he has to explain it, and also explain why he's explaining it. He's in such a no-win situation these days that I actually feel kinda sorry for him.
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If I recall correctly, he said that "this wasn't the true Pink Floyd and Pink Floyd was over in 1985"
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He is in the "No Waters = No Floyd" camp, so he was against this entire project being titled Pink Floyd, IIRC.
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I am having my first listen of The Endless River. Wow, this is gorgeous.
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I am having my first listen of The Endless River. Wow, this is gorgeous.
This. Received it in the mail this morning. I'm having coffee and I'm listening to it as I'm typing. No shower or breakfast yet. Need to keep listening. Wow.
And it feels like it's all one long track. Why the need to cut it up into 18 separate tracks? (I'm only about halfway though, so don't quote me on this :P )
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Just amazing. The wait has been worth it, IMHO.
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I am having my first listen of The Endless River. Wow, this is gorgeous.
This. Received it in the mail this morning. I'm having coffee and I'm listening to it as I'm typing. No shower or breakfast yet. Need to keep listening. Wow.
And it feels like it's all one long track. Why the need to cut it up into 18 separate tracks? (I'm only about halfway though, so don't quote me on this :P )
It's all like that. It's meant to flow, like a river, but presumably David wanted to also preserve the identities of the individual bits that went into it. Even though it all flows very nicely, you can hear where different sections start and end.
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Couple of A Saucerful of Secrets things I found out about recentally.
https://katewillaert.tumblr.com/post/64030238520/theres-an-image-of-dr-strange-hidden-on-the
While promoting 2014's The Endless River, band member Nick Mason said this is his favourite of the Pink Floyd studio albums. “I think there are ideas contained there that we have continued to use all the way through our career,” he says. “I think [it] was a quite good way of marking Syd [Barrett]’s departure and Dave [Gilmour]’s arrival. It’s rather nice to have it on one record, where you get both things. It’s a cross-fade rather than a cut.”
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That's cool about Dr. Strange. I never knew that.
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I liked the album very much... but, IMO and I'm not that much into "atmospheric" music - I admit - I think the album would be PERFECT with only the following songs, like this:
01 - Side 1, Pt. 2 It's What We Do
02 - Side 1, Pt. 3 Ebb And Flow
03 - Side 2, Pt. 1 Sum
04 - Side 2, Pt. 2 Skins
05 - Side 2, Pt. 4 Anisina
06 - Side 3, Pt. 4 Allons-y (1)
07 - Side 3, Pt. 5 Autumn '68
08 - Side 3, Pt. 6 Allons-y (2)
09 - Side 3, Pt. 7 Talkin' Hawkin'
10 - Side 4, Pt. 2 Eyes To Pearls
11 - Side 4, Pt. 3 Surfacing
12 - Side 4, Pt. 4 Louder Than Words
13 - Nervana (as a bonus track, it's very different from the rest, but very cool)
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Thought it was too early to give a solid opinion but I wanna join the discussion! ;)
So the Tuesday before last I went into a store, went to a shelf and grabbed a new Pink Floyd CD, double checked my cellphone to make sure it's not the 70's, called my dad in Egypt -who was asleep cause it's 8 hours ahead- and told him "I am buying the new Pink Floyd album", now I've accomplished everything he's done :lol
I had no big expectations, I was just glad I'd be able to say I bought a new PF album the day it came out, but surprisingly I liked this album a lot, highly against the odds since it's made out of leftovers of an album that had zero appeal to me.
I heard a lot of old Floyd on this album and it was kinda fun in a weird way since it would sneak up on me and escape just as fast before I could put my hand on what it sounds like, I feel like I've heard faint hints of Welcome to The Machine, Comfortably Numb, One of These Days, Us & Them and others, I could be crazy.
I definitely like the album better than AMLoR and Division Bell combined.
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I listened to it finally. As a single album, it's just alright. As an epilogue to the band's work, it's great. I do wonder if it needed to be segmented into a bunch of minute and a half tracks though, since quite a few of these come off as one long, continues jam section. Favorite bit is the Allons-Y (1) > Autumn '68 > Allons-y (2) sequence. Rock out to a sweet Floyd groove, calm down for a church-esque thing, kick back into high gear. Love it. And I will admit, Louder Than Words is a bit... jarring? It's a nice tune in its own right, and I like the little callbacks to High Hopes with the bells at the start, but once Gilmour starts singing, the tone of the album changes completely. Kind of takes you out of the natural high of the album and feels a bit tacked on.
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Louder than Words sounds just like "On an island", it's like putting a Load song in the end of Master of Puppets. So, yes very off-putting. I guess the record company wanted some complete song to go start selling the album, but I think they chose the wrong one. Perhaps Anisina or Talking Hawkin'.
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I finally picked up the new album today, got the CD/BR box, and I also picked up remasters of AMLOR and TDB, all with 20% off.
The new album I am loving it's just so beautiful and so sad at the same time.
Knowing that this is the end of the band and also RW sawansong.
I like how it all flows and it's all very atmospheric, emotional and panoramic at the same time.
What a superb and fitting farewell.
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I finally picked up the new album today, got the CD/BR box, and I also picked up remasters of AMLOR and TDB, all with 20% off.
The new album I am loving it's just so beautiful and so sad at the same time.
Knowing that this is the end of the band and also RW sawansong.
I like how it all flows and it's all very atmospheric, emotional and panoramic at the same time.
What a superb and fitting farewell.
I too got the Cd+Bluray edition. What a lovely packaging! I can tell those guys were mostly just jamming on this album, but man, that stuff still rocks! :hat
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A nice interview with DG, from a few years back.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/p00937ls
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Saw a cool Floyd tribute band, The Pink Floyd Experience last week. They did a tour called "4 sides of Floyd" where the set list mainly revolved around playing one "side" from each of 4 classic Floyd albums, with a few other tunes mixed in. Pretty good show. The "sides" were from Animals, Wish You Were Here, Meddle, and Dark Side.
Set list:
In the Flesh?
Pigs (Three Different Ones)
Sheep
Pigs on the Wing 2
Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun
Have a Cigar
Wish You Were Here
Shine On You Crazy Diamond (VI-IX)
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Echoes
Hey You
Money
Us and Them
Brain Damage
Eclipse
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One of These Days
Comfortably Numb
Run Like Hell (with Another Brick In the Wall, pt. 2 excerpt)
All in all, really good show. There is another big tribute band that plays up here called House of Floyd that I prefer, but I really enjoyed this show. And the set was pretty creative as well.
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You should check out Which One's Pink?. IDK if they venture up north as far as you but down in LA they are THE Pink Floyd tribute band to go see.
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You should check out Which One's Pink?. IDK if they venture up north as far as you but down in LA they are THE Pink Floyd tribute band to go see.
I heard about Which One's Pink, but never got a chance to see them. So they are based in LA? Is there a regular club they play in?
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They play all up and down from Ventura County out to San Bern. down to San Diego. They play the Canyon Club in Agoura, and The Saban Theater in Beverly Hills often. I also see posts about them playing the OC fair a lot... but the only venues I really recognize are The Canyon and Saban. They are playing The Wall front to back at The Canyon on the 25th of this month.
(https://www.whichonespink.com/W1PGigsAlbumsNew.gif)
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Roger Waters is to reissue his 1992 album Amused To Death this summer – and he believes the work is more relevant than ever.
https://prog.teamrock.com/news/2015-04-16/roger-waters-pink-floyd-amused-to-death-reissue
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That's one fine album. It's interesting how Waters just gets it - all the issues with the society he addressed 20 years ago with Amused to death or 35 years ago with The Wall are still a discussion topic today. That's what real art is all about, staying relevant years and years later. It's just one of the few reasons why Roger's work will live on.
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^ Agreed. I'm excited about the remastered AtD.
Been listening to Pros & Cons a bit lately and noticed there's some of vocal melodies revisited from The Wall & The Final Cut. Off the top of my head Mother and The Show Must Go On are a couple of them.
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Waters' solo stuff has been on my "to do" list since I got into PF nearly ten years ago. Never got around to it, but this reissue will definitely be on my radar.
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New David Gilmour's solo album, titled Rattle that Lock, is coming out in September. (https://consequenceofsound.net/2015/06/david-gilmour-previews-new-solo-album-rattle-that-lock/)
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Can't wait to hear it! I was a big fan of "On An Island"
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Same!
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Been in a Floydian mood lately, so I've been listening to some of their albums again. Animals is still top dog for me. :tup However I was pretty impressed by my revisiting Meddle! It took awhile, but Echoes has finally clicked for me. Such a great song... :hefdaddy
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New David Gilmour's solo album, titled Rattle that Lock, is coming out in September. (https://consequenceofsound.net/2015/06/david-gilmour-previews-new-solo-album-rattle-that-lock/)
Awesome! :tup
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(https://cdn.ustatik.com/_img/news/other/rattle-that-lock-cover.png)
1. 5 A.M.
2. Rattle That Lock
3. Faces of Stone
4. A Boat Lies Waiting
5. Dancing Right in Front of Me
6. In Any Tongue
7. Beauty
8. The Girl in the Yellow Dress
9. Today
10. And Then...
15 second teaser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3zPm7FjA3k)
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Great cover, really like it.
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Oooh, I'm liking that cover. Excited for this one!
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And here's a short interview with David Gilmour about the album (also includes some more music): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6glp_dGao90
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Well, the title track is going to be released tomorrow as a single too.
I like what I'm hearing so far, seems like a fun catchy rock song. But I'm really biased when it comes to Gilmour. :biggrin:
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Well, the title track is going to be released tomorrow as a single too.
I like what I'm hearing so far, seems like a fun catchy rock song. But I'm really biased when it comes to Gilmour. :biggrin:
Sounds pretty cool and more up my alley than a lot of Pink Floyd tbh.
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I'm erect.
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The title track is up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHP7l0EaouM
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Ooh nice, I like it a lot :tup
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Cannot wait for this album. This truly is a single, nice poppy tune, wonderful guitar work. Just great
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That's...not bad, actually.
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I get a little Steely Dan vibe from it. Nice.
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Hmm... not bad David. I listened to On An Island again recently, after not caring for it much on first listen. My thoughts haven't changed, still didn't care for it. I think I like this track more than most of On An Island, so I am anxious to hear more.
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I think I like almost everyone on On An Island more than this track (except maybe The Blue and This Heaven), but I've got to say, after a few listens, this track is damn good. I like the different vibe and I just can't wait for the whole album.
The album is also up for preorder at amazon.com! I've got the CD+DVD deluxe edition ordered.
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Love it
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I liked this song - Gilmour's voice has aged so well, too...
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I'm going to see Brit Floyd in July, Australian Pink Floyd in August and Bricks in The Wall (Texas PF coverband) in September. Then I'm going to see the Roger Waters movie at the theater in September as well. Getting Gilmour's new solo album and Waters Amused to Death remaster, this is going to be the most Floyd-ian year ever for me heh
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New song sounds good. I have no doubt that I will love this. :hat
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Does anybody know if "gig" in The Great Gin in The Sky means "job" or "concert"?
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At work we had a Syd Barrett era Pink Floyd covers band. :lol very avant garde.
HERE is a short video (https://instagram.com/p/6DkzF7xHtp/?taken-by=kotow2015)
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That's different. Of course the Syd Barrett "era" was only the first album and some of the second, but what the heck.
I was at my dad's place in Michigan over the weekend, and the band at the bar up the street was a Pink Floyd cover band. They were great. They were set up outside on the deck, so we could hear them fine because it was otherwise a pretty quiet neighborhood. Just sitting out on the deck at my dad's, we heard "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" (long-ish version with all verses and most of the instrumentals), "Money", "Time", "Astronomy Domine", a medley from "The Wall" and a bunch of other stuff.
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Does anybody know if "gig" in The Great Gin in The Sky means "job" or "concert"?
I suspect this is the great unhad debate in PF fandom – in nearly 40 years, you're the first person who cared enough to ask! :rollin
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From the point of view of a musician, a gig, job, and concert are all pretty much the same thing. You play and you get paid. A gig's a gig.
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30 seconds teaser of another song from Rattle That Lock is up on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uDmZfkZ2QY
I love it.
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Another song from David's upcoming solo album is released.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gj7nvWjqt0
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Very poppy. Not that I was expecting otherwise for the first two songs to be released. But somehow I hope that these two will be the only poppy upbeat songs on this album. I love On An Island's melancholy, I miss that in the first two singles.
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Very poppy. Not that I was expecting otherwise for the first two songs to be released. But somehow I hope that these two will be the only poppy upbeat songs on this album. I love On An Island's melancholy, I miss that in the first two singles.
I agree completely. Rattle That Lock (the track) was good, but I'm really not sold on Today.
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After the intro of Today, I did not expect the rest of the song to go the way it did. I like it though. Rattle That Lock is half on my radar of stuff to get. Like, I'm not desperate to get my copy immediately on release day, but I may get it further down the line.
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How in the world is that song poppy? Upbeat and not melancholy = poppy??
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How in the world is that song poppy? Upbeat and not melancholy = poppy??
I never said that...
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That's what I posed that as a question? ;)
You did say it was poppy, though. How exactly is that song poppy?
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I haven't heard the second song but the first one certainly has an 80's mainstream rock/pop vibe, feels like something out of the Back to The Future soundtrack, I think it would also flow naturally with MLoR songs.
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This song I like. It has a weird laidback but upbeat vibe. I like the harmonies.
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Faces Of Stone and In Any Tongue are fantastic songs! :o
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Does anybody know if "gig" in The Great Gin in The Sky means "job" or "concert"?
I suspect this is the great unhad debate in PF fandom – in nearly 40 years, you're the first person who cared enough to ask! :rollin
That's seriously a great honor :lol
From the point of view of a musician, a gig, job, and concert are all pretty much the same thing. You play and you get paid. A gig's a gig.
Yeah but I was wondering within the context of the album's themes, if gig means job then does the great gig in the sky refer to divinity? if it means concert then what could it mean in that context? Of course it could be just a title without any profound intent but I doubt it.
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One of the album's themes is death, and the voiceovers at the beginning of the track speak of dying, and whether or not it makes sense to fear dying. When a musician dies, he goes to the great gig in the sky. So it references the afterlife, and if that implies the existence of a divinity to you, then yes. I guess I still don't understand the dichotomy. A gig's a gig.
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Does anybody know if "gig" in The Great Gin in The Sky means "job" or "concert"?
I suspect this is the great unhad debate in PF fandom – in nearly 40 years, you're the first person who cared enough to ask! :rollin
That's seriously a great honor :lol
From the point of view of a musician, a gig, job, and concert are all pretty much the same thing. You play and you get paid. A gig's a gig.
Yeah but I was wondering within the context of the album's themes, if gig means job then does the great gig in the sky refer to divinity? if it means concert then what could it mean in that context? Of course it could be just a title without any profound intent but I doubt it.
I don't think it matters for that context, though. The song is about dying and death (from Roger Waters himself, backed up by the writer Rick Wright) and it's sort of an expression when someone passes, they went to that "great [whatever they did for a living/for fun/whatever is appropriate] in the sky". Mickey Mantle went to that great ballpark in the sky. If someone here was to pass, they would be said to go to the "great forum in the sky". Here, it's a reference to passing to the great beyond, wherever and whatever that may be for you.
Edit: DAMMIT. Orbert beat me to the punch.
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Seeing Gilmour in two days, can't wait! Trying hard to resist looking up the setlist. As well as the album comes out tomorrow. I think I'll wait and listen to the stuff for the first time in a live setting.
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One of the album's themes is death, and the voiceovers at the beginning of the track speak of dying, and whether or not it makes sense to fear dying. When a musician dies, he goes to the great gig in the sky. So it references the afterlife, and if that implies the existence of a divinity to you, then yes. I guess I still don't understand the dichotomy. A gig's a gig.
Waiting tables is a gig as well, that's the dichotomy, I wasn't necessarily connecting the title as a reference to the musician himself but what you said about that makes sense, I'll take it :corn
Seeing Gilmour in two days, can't wait! Trying hard to resist looking up the setlist. As well as the album comes out tomorrow. I think I'll wait and listen to the stuff for the first time in a live setting.
Lucky mofo, enjoy! :tup
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Seeing Gilmour in two days, can't wait! Trying hard to resist looking up the setlist. As well as the album comes out tomorrow. I think I'll wait and listen to the stuff for the first time in a live setting.
Nice!
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One of the album's themes is death, and the voiceovers at the beginning of the track speak of dying, and whether or not it makes sense to fear dying. When a musician dies, he goes to the great gig in the sky. So it references the afterlife, and if that implies the existence of a divinity to you, then yes. I guess I still don't understand the dichotomy. A gig's a gig.
Waiting tables is a gig as well, that's the dichotomy, I wasn't necessarily connecting the title as a reference to the musician himself but what you said about that makes sense, I'll take it :corn
Okay, now I see. As a musician, it never occurred to me that there was any other context. But remember that waiting tables, or any other non-music-related job called a "gig", is only called that because the term has been repurposed. "Gig" is short for "engagement". Originally, a gig was a musical engagement, an agreement to perform at a certain time, in a certain place, for a certain amount of money. Musicians would love to make some money for their efforts, of course, but most of us just like to play and will pretty much play anywhere someone is willing to pay, thus the expression "a gig's a gig". You take what you can get.
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Interesting! I didn't know gig was short for engagement and that it originally meant concert before turning to the broader "job" meaning, thanks Orbert!
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Seeing Gilmour in two days, can't wait! Trying hard to resist looking up the setlist. As well as the album comes out tomorrow. I think I'll wait and listen to the stuff for the first time in a live setting.
Nice!
It's always been my goal to see David Gilmour in my lifetime because I was too young to see PF during PULSE and didn't catch him on his last tour. I think I may just bite the bullet and get some Madison Square Garden tickets at $300 a pop, that's only a bit more than what I spent to see Roger Waters.
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Has anyone heard Rattle That Lock yet? It's released today.
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Has anyone heard Rattle That Lock yet? It's released today.
Bought the deluxe edition today in local Rotterdam record store, will probably give it a listen today after The Theater Equation.
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It's always been my goal to see David Gilmour in my lifetime
It is my goal to see David Gilmour beyond my lifetime.
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I'm one listen in and I really like this album with the exception of Today, weakest song for me. Faces of Stone is absolutely wonderful though.
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I'll have to pick this up tomorrow. The samples online sound very nice. :hat
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I'm liking Rattle that Lock more than On An Island. My favorite track so far is "In Any Tounge". That solo is just :o :o :o :o :eek :eek :eek
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I just had my firsten listen on Spotify. What an album. The Girl in the Yellow Dress is just :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Rattle is good. Great even. But it can't touch On An Island. ESPECIALLY the Gdansk version :hefdaddy
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POSSIBLE SPOILERS (SETLIST ETC)
What a special night it was. Sure he's getting older, sure his head thinks of guitar solo's his fingers just can't play anymore, but when he starts to play Astronomy Domine, you just realize that it's the same David Gilmour that has been playing that for about 50 years. It's crazy to think that he wrote Fat Old Sun all those years ago, and he is still standing there, playing all those beautiful songs. The lighting was great too, Us And Them was really lifted like never before by the beautiful arrangement, and the wonderful lights.
The new songs were good too, I listened to the album on the way back and I'm really liking this stuff. I don't think it will ever touch On An Island for me, but I like the differences in tempo and feel throughout the album.
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Finally got this and listened today on the way to and from work. Sounded nice, but I'll be surprised if I love this as much as On as Island. Still, for Gilmour to be giving us anything at this juncture is a real treat. :hat
Set list looks great, of course. This being the first tour he has done since Richard Wright's death, I think it would be neat for him to play Summer '68, with Jon Carin handling lead vocals, as sort of a tribute to his deceased friend and bandmate. That song, if I am not mistaken, has never been performed live by any Floyd member, and it's such a good song.
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POSSIBLE SPOILERS (SETLIST ETC)
What a special night it was. Sure he's getting older, sure his head thinks of guitar solo's his fingers just can't play anymore, but when he starts to play Astronomy Domine, you just realize that it's the same David Gilmour that has been playing that for about 50 years. It's crazy to think that he wrote Fat Old Sun all those years ago, and he is still standing there, playing all those beautiful songs. The lighting was great too, Us And Them was really lifted like never before by the beautiful arrangement, and the wonderful lights.
The new songs were good too, I listened to the album on the way back and I'm really liking this stuff. I don't think it will ever touch On An Island for me, but I like the differences in tempo and feel throughout the album.
I agree. I saw him in Oberhausen. Astronomy Domine and Fat Old Sun has always been some mine alltime faves and to hear them live was the highlight of the night. The new songs he played was also good I liked especially Faces of Stone.
One thing I dont understand is why does he not play songs from his two first albums? There so many great songs on them
I can't wait till he comes back to Europe next year :metal :metal
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Got a new amplifier, and a new CD player, used my studio headphones and listened to the 2.0 lossless mix on the Blu Ray of the new album. Man that record shines! I still have to admit that all the mellow songs stand out the best to me, my favorite would be A Boat Lies Waiting. I read that for the London shows Crosby and Nash sang backing vocals on that track. That will be awesome to see on the live release.
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Picked it up, but haven't had a chance to listen yet.
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One thing I dont understand is why does he not play songs from his two first albums?
If nothing else, he should play Murder, which is a terrific song, and one that got quite a bit of play on the radio at the time (from what older friends have told me :lol).
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In Any Tongue is one helluva tune. :hat
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One thing I dont understand is why does he not play songs from his two first albums?
If nothing else, he should play Murder, which is a terrific song, and one that got quite a bit of play on the radio at the time (from what older friends have told me :lol).
Yes Murder is a great one and so are songs like
I can´t Breathe Anymore
So Far Away
Until We Sleep
All Lovers Are Deranged
Near the End
And I absolutly love the 2 instrumentals Mihalis and Let's Get Metaphysical from his 2 first albums
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Dang, I had never heard Mihalis before, but that was pretty freaking great. I'll have to check out the rest of those. I have my CD of About Face buried somewhere; I'll have to dig it out.
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Hard to compare to On an Island, just because it's been a while since I've listened to that, but wow is this is a good album!
There are a lot of different flavors here. A lot to like.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/videos/ex-pink-floyd-guitarist-david-gilmour-on-new-solo-album/
5:38 to 5:42 ---> anybody know where this footage is from? The colored proshot footage, it seems probable it's from The Wall shows but I haven't seen these angles before.
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I love that Gilmour is still putting out new music. While Waters is doing another victory lap with the success of The Wall (first the tour, now this move or whatever it is coming out), Gilmour is still writing and releasing new music. :hat
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Waters has been writing a new album for a while now, The Wall tour and documentary movie were actually a new creation in their own right even though there's no new music in them, I'm set to see the documentary movie next Wednesday so I can't really judge yet.
The only thing I have to blame Waters for is not releasing the studio version of What Shall We Do Now with the Immersion box set, I mean there's tons of demos and live stuff in that box set but not the thing I wanted the most.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/videos/ex-pink-floyd-guitarist-david-gilmour-on-new-solo-album/
5:38 to 5:42 ---> anybody know where this footage is from? The colored proshot footage, it seems probable it's from The Wall shows but I haven't seen these angles before.
Wow, I can't place that either. Isn't it from the 1980 Nassau Colosseum footage? Looks like way better quality though.
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Hard to compare to On an Island, just because it's been a while since I've listened to that, but wow is this is a good album!
There are a lot of different flavors here. A lot to like.
I love that Gilmour is still putting out new music. While Waters is doing another victory lap with the success of The Wall (first the tour, now this move or whatever it is coming out), Gilmour is still writing and releasing new music. :hat
Both excellent points, except it's hard to compare to On an Island for me because On an Island is a masterpiece. I've spinned a new Gilmour album a few more times and I definitely like it a lot. 5 A.M. - Rattle That Lock - Faces of Stone is a brilliant opening sequence, and I love David decided to open his shows with it. I really hope they film Royal Albert Hall shows, I would buy a new Gilmour's DVD in a heartbeat.
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I have uploaded the show from Oberhausen to my google drive for everyone that would be interested in the recording. I have uploaded the raw video files and a blu-ray image file that I originally have made for a colleague of mine
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B0hkT7WnCoFgZmVjdF9DWllXY1k&usp=sharing
I got the whole show except for 30 seconds during On an Island where I had to change battery
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Been on a Waters/Floyd kick lately after hearing that Waters DVD was going to be in theaters (That's actually tonight, but I decided not to go.)
For some reason, over the last several weeks, I've been listening to one bootleg show from The Wall, Animals (last one from Montreal...the show where Waters supposedly spits on the fan), Wish You Were Here and pre-Dark Side (2/20/72.)
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Went to the theater last night to see the movie. It was fantastic. The live concert two years ago was an epiphany, and this was almost just as powerful.
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Went to the theater last night to see the movie. It was fantastic. The live concert two years ago was an epiphany, and this was almost just as powerful.
I also saw it yesterday and it was like being back in the stadiums :) but the many short sequences with Waters driving around in France and Italy ruined it a bit for me. I not need those sequences
And maybe I am imagined it, but it seemed to me that Mother was shorter in the movie. Did we get G. E Smith's solo after Snowy White's solo?
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I didn't notice that.
It was apparent to me that some people who just wanted to see the concert would be bothered by some of the in-between scenes. That's why it's a movie, not a concert, I guess.
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Saw The Wall last night as well, it was amazing; I saw the show back in 2012 and I didn't think the director would be able to capture the size and depth of that show but he came much closer than I would have expected. For some reason I don't remember The Last Few Bricks being played at the show I went to but I guess it must have.
I love Roger Waters, I think he's the greatest musician in recorded music history for his ability to craft songs and arrangements, let alone write the best lyrics there is, however his psychological problems are a bit too hard to overlook, his scenes in this movie were incredibly self indulgent IMO and I think most of these problems are still with him, like in the Q&A with Nick Mason after the movie he was asked if all his walls came down and he answered "some of them".
That Q&A with Waters and Nick Mason at the end of the movie was very interesting, a few things I got out of it:
- Nick Mason is still interested in a tour with Pink Floyd and he's slightly bummed out that Gilmour and Waters are not.
- Neither Mason nor Waters consider Gilmour a friend, not an enemy neither but someone they did their best work with. I found that to be crappy but then again they're British and understandably not very warm by nature.
- On a question to Waters if he had any regrets about his time in Pink Floyd, he said no but Mason looked astonished as if he wanted Waters say something else, I think he wanted him to acknowledge the court conflict was shitty.
- Waters hinted that Gilmour was not excited about The Wall album idea at first, Mason and Wright were. So I take it that means Gilmour might have been leaning towards The Pros & Cons of Hitchhiking.
I look forward to having this on BluRay and sure hoping Waters includes his 1980 The Wall proshot video in the package but I'm not holding my breath for it.
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Don't bet on The Wall to come to bluray anytime soon... in fact, I've been waiting for a re-release / remastered bluray version since 2008!
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I actually meant the unreleased proshot concerts of the Pink Floyd tour that Waters has. I wouldn't mind getting a BluRay of the Bob Geldof movie, which I also really like, but the DVD I have feels sufficient enough.
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- Neither Mason nor Waters consider Gilmour a friend, not an enemy neither but someone they did their best work with. I found that to be crappy but then again they're British and understandably not very warm by nature.
The Mason/Gilmour thing surprises me. I thought they were closer. Was any of it just being coy in front of Waters?
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Watching the Q&A it became clear to me as well that Roger still has plenty of stuff to work out. It doesn't mean that he will do it, or that he should do it, he hit a certain age when it doesn't matter anymore. But the fascinating thing about it is that you can have your philosophy, a brilliant mind and a lot of empathy towards certain situations, yet you still have your own issues. He tends to portray himself as imperfect, which is kind of great.
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I never got to experience The Wall live, but I went to see the concert film last night and it was amazing. :hefdaddy The non-concert sequences were a little self-indulgent indeed, but not to the point of becoming a distraction. In fact, I thought the beginning and the ending intertwined nicely with the concert.
Watching the Q&A it became clear to me as well that Roger still has plenty of stuff to work out. It doesn't mean that he will do it, or that he should do it, he hit a certain age when it doesn't matter anymore. But the fascinating thing about it is that you can have your philosophy, a brilliant mind and a lot of empathy towards certain situations, yet you still have your own issues. He tends to portray himself as imperfect, which is kind of great.
Well said! :tup
- On a question to Waters if he had any regrets about his time in Pink Floyd, he said no but Mason looked astonished as if he wanted Waters say something else, I think he wanted him to acknowledge the court conflict was shitty.
Yeah, I got that vibe as well. It's weird, because Roger has admitted (https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-24157591) that he regrets the court case before, but maybe he didn't want to bring up negative stuff from the past again.
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I have uploaded the show from Oberhausen to my google drive for everyone that would be interested in the recording. I have uploaded the raw video files and a blu-ray image file that I originally have made for a colleague of mine
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B0hkT7WnCoFgZmVjdF9DWllXY1k&usp=sharing
I got the whole show except for 30 seconds during On an Island where I had to change battery
Oh wow! That looks awesome, especially since I was there with my old man. Do you have a preview clip? (Before I start downloading the entire thing)
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I have uploaded the show from Oberhausen to my google drive for everyone that would be interested in the recording. I have uploaded the raw video files and a blu-ray image file that I originally have made for a colleague of mine
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B0hkT7WnCoFgZmVjdF9DWllXY1k&usp=sharing
I got the whole show except for 30 seconds during On an Island where I had to change battery
Oh wow! That looks awesome, especially since I was there with my old man. Do you have a preview clip? (Before I start downloading the entire thing)
In the map Raw files you can view the videos before downloading :)
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Nice, thanks! Looks and mostly sounds wonderful!
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- Nick Mason is still interested in a tour with Pink Floyd and he's slightly bummed out that Gilmour and Waters are not.
That doesn't surprise me. A tour like that would be a major cash cow, and while all due respect to Mason, he was by far the least creative and important member of the band, and I'm sure if I were him, I'd be dying for another huge money-making tour, too. :lol :lol
- Waters hinted that Gilmour was not excited about The Wall album idea at first, Mason and Wright were. So I take it that means Gilmour might have been leaning towards The Pros & Cons of Hitchhiking.
I wouldn't take it that way. IIRC, from one of the Floyd books I have, Waters presented the idea for both The Wall and Pro and Cons... to the band, and they picked The Wall. I don't think Gilmour was crazy about either idea, but at the time, The Wall was his preference.
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I read something from Gilmour a while back saying that Waters was always the guy pushing concepts and concept albums. Waters felt very strongly that albums should be cohesive, have unifying themes, musically, lyrically, etc. That was never a big deal for Gilmour. He just wanted to do songs. If Waters figured out some way that they all fit into something larger, cool, but if not, whatever. So that awesome streak of concept albums from The Dark Side of the Moon through The Wall was all Waters' doing.
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I don't think it's that cut and dried. Yes, those albums were pretty much all Waters lyrically, thematically and conceptually, but musically, heck no. And what good is a great concept without the tunes?
Without Gilmour, there is no Comfortably Numb.
Without Gilmour, that central musical theme of Shine On You Crazy Diamond, that 4-note guitar lead, is non-existent.
I am not saying Gilmour was all music and Waters all concept, because that would be factually wrong, but I am just saying, to say those four albums were all Waters doing is selling short the contributions of David Gilmour and, to a lesser degree, Richard Wright (on Dark Side and WYWH).
Ya know? :)
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Totally. It was still all a band effort. (Well, all except for The Final Cut :lol )
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I've never thought of Gilmour as a particularly creative or original songwriter, which is probably why I don't like the last few Floyd albums that much. Yes, he could come up with a great guitar lead, but I don't think he would know what to do with it next. It was Waters who utilized his ideas, turned them into highly conceptual atmospheric epics, added profound and chilly lyrics and made them what they were.
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^^^ I think that is oversimplifying things by a long shot. I'm a firm believer in the "clubhouse" (for you sports fans) or the chemistry of bands. Nothing that Waters did on his own tells me that Waters is any more or less "creative" or "original" a songwriter, and it's not like his solo work is chock full of "highly conceptual atmospheric epics". I think "creative tension" is a thing for a reason, and I think guys like Gilmour and Waters (and you can put Jagger/Richards here, Tyler/Perry, Simmons/Stanley, Lennon/McCartney and a host of others too) would be loathe to admit it, but are better with each other than without. Not at all saying that it is impossible to make good music without the other - or that a person can't have creative tension with more than one person - but the "transcendence" is in part a product of the tension between the two.
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Let's be brutally honest here and say that neither of Gilmour's or Waters solo output has hardly set the world on fire has it? Four Gilmour studio albums,and three from Waters and yes they're good solid efforts,but did they have the WOW! factor? Gilmour and Waters as a writing team were one of the best and worked well together,but split them up,and they haven't been that prolific as solo artists.
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I don't think it's that cut and dried. Yes, those albums were pretty much all Waters lyrically, thematically and conceptually, but musically, heck no. And what good is a great concept without the tunes?
Without Gilmour, there is no Comfortably Numb.
Without Gilmour, that central musical theme of Shine On You Crazy Diamond, that 4-note guitar lead, is non-existent.
I am not saying Gilmour was all music and Waters all concept, because that would be factually wrong, but I am just saying, to say those four albums were all Waters doing is selling short the contributions of David Gilmour and, to a lesser degree, Richard Wright (on Dark Side and WYWH).
Ya know? :)
Okay, I didn't phrase that very well. I just meant that the fact that those albums were all concept albums was because of Waters pushing to make them that way. Of course he didn't write all the music. I thought that that was well known.
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^^^ I think that is oversimplifying things by a long shot. I'm a firm believer in the "clubhouse" (for you sports fans) or the chemistry of bands. Nothing that Waters did on his own tells me that Waters is any more or less "creative" or "original" a songwriter, and it's not like his solo work is chock full of "highly conceptual atmospheric epics". I think "creative tension" is a thing for a reason, and I think guys like Gilmour and Waters (and you can put Jagger/Richards here, Tyler/Perry, Simmons/Stanley, Lennon/McCartney and a host of others too) would be loathe to admit it, but are better with each other than without. Not at all saying that it is impossible to make good music without the other - or that a person can't have creative tension with more than one person - but the "transcendence" is in part a product of the tension between the two.
I totally agree with that, I would add that I think Waters/Gilmour's outcome is the best of all aforementioned duos, possibly the best ever.
I think one man's vision kinda bands eventually end up being boring no matter how much of a genius that man is, I can think of Megadeth and Porcupine Tree as two prime examples of bands I lost interest in probably because of that.
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While I agree that Gilmour and Waters were better together, since they brought out the best in one another, even if they were often not getting along, I totally disagree that Gilmour hasn't been good without him. Maybe The Division Bell, On an Island and Rattle That Lock don't have the WOW factors of Dark Side or WYWH, but they are all, IMO, really good albums that prove Gilmour can write songs extremely well without Roger Waters.
And while Waters' batting average post-The Wall is pretty low, Amused to Death was still pretty freaking great.
Okay, I didn't phrase that very well. I just meant that the fact that those albums were all concept albums was because of Waters pushing to make them that way. Of course he didn't write all the music. I thought that that was well known.
It's all good. :hat
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So, for those listening, what are your favorites from Rattle That Lock so far? If I had to pick three, I'd say:
In Any Tongue
A Boat Lies Waiting (love the vibe)
Today
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Faces of Stone (by a long, long shot. This song is just :hefdaddy )
And Then...
Rattle That Lock
But actually I adore the whole album except for Today. This particular song does nothing for me, but the rest of the album is nothing short of amazing. I was apprehensive towards The Girl In The Yellow Dress at first, but I've got to say, Gilmour got this short venture into blues territory just right.
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A Boat Lies Waiting is one of the most beautiful songs David has ever written. I really really love that song. The weird arrangement and form makes it very unpredictable the first couple of listens. And I try to not listen to it too often to keep it fresh.
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Totally agree! It is a gorgeous piece of music. :hefdaddy
Faces of Stone (by a long, long shot. This song is just :hefdaddy )
Agreed. It was tough leaving it off, but I am loving most of the songs on this a lot so far, and they couldn't all make my early top 3.
I think I might end up liking this more than On as Island, and I love that album lots and lots. :biggrin:
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I know it's not a surprise coming from a big Gilmour fan, but I just can't stop listening to Rattle That Lock. I thought this album was great, but at this point it's simply amazing for me.
I thought it subtly became album of the year for me a few days ago. Save for The Gentle Storm (which rested on my #1 album of the year since March), no record have affected me this much this year. Over these nine years I began to think we won't see another Gilmour's solo album. I'm so happy David released it. I really love this record.
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Same here! I cannot stop listening to it, either!
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Official Faces of Stone video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MlGYgmzk9Y)
Still my favourite track from the album, absolutely amazing.
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My favourites are
Faces of stone
In any tongue
Beauty
I've been waiting years for the album (and for the tour but I couldn't get the tickets >:( ) but I didn't expect such a great work since he didn't release nothing for almost a decade, and the fact that it came out to be so great makes me think what else could have he done in all those years...
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Holy crap, I attended to Gilmour's gig last Friday, and it was awesome :hefdaddy
Quoting from David's own page:
Yesterday Clarin, one of Argentina’s national newspapers, declared of David’s first ever concert in Argentina, ‘La Visita que faltaba’, the visit that was needed. And the ‘visit’ duly took place for 70,000 excited fans at the Hipodromo de San Isidro, the local racecourse, 15 minutes from the centre of Buenos Aires. However, as David and the band discovered, the journey time became nearly two hours, thanks to a combination of thousands of cars heading to the concert and others leaving BA for the Christmas holidays. Traffic ground to a standstill and the hapless two police outriders were helpless in the face of overwhelming odds. It was a relief to finally arrive at the venue but the concert had to be delayed for half an hour to allow the fans to catch up. Once inside the venue it was apparent that Buenos Aires (good winds) was living up to its name with a wind swirling across the audience creating an uncharacteristic chilly December evening. Luckily the huge crowd, the biggest by far of the tour, seem to draw warmth from the music and in turn responded with enthusiasm and passionate singing. The crowd had waited many years to hear the voice and guitar of Pink Floyd and roared their approval to hear the classics; they also gave a warm reception to the new songs from ‘Rattle That Lock’.
Here's what was played last night:
First set: 5 A.M., Rattle That Lock, Faces Of Stone, Wish You Were Here, A Boat Lies Waiting, The Blue, Money, Us And Them, In Any Tongue, High Hopes.
Second set: Astronomy Domine, Shine On You Crazy Diamond, Fat Old Sun, Coming Back To Life, The Girl In The Yellow Dress, Today, Sorrow, Run Like Hell
Encore: Time / Breathe (reprise), Comfortably Numb.
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Wow, so little love for the Piper at the Gates of Dawn :o
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Holy crap, I attended to Gilmour's gig last Friday, and it was awesome :hefdaddy
70000 people? That's amazing.
Seems like you really enjoyed it, glad you had the opportunity. :tup I hope to see him live one day, since he's basically my favourite musician in the world. I would've went to one of his European concerts this year if he announced the dates earlier. All his European dates turned out to be at the same days I've booked a flat in Rotterdam, and it was all settled when the dates went live. And, well, I wasn't ready to travel to two countries at a time. I can't exactly complain, as The Theater Equation show was mindblowing really, but I'm still disappointed I've missed my opportunity to see Gilmour live - which, given his current age, might be the last one for me, since I definitely won't be able to afford to travel in 2016 to see him in Royal Albert Hall, and who knows if there will be any more tours after that.
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It was fucking insane with all that people! And not to talk about the traffic jam it created once it was finished :lol
I hope you get to see him live, Evermind :smiley:
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It was fucking insane with all that people! And not to talk about the traffic jam it created once it was finished :lol
I hope you get to see him live, Evermind :smiley:
I was there too!!!! Fucking awesome show! But as you said, it took me more than 3 hours to get back home, that was brutal. But totally worth it, I wasn't expecting the it to be thaaaaaaaat good, the playlist rocked, the sound rocked, the band rocked. The stage and audio towers setting did not rock at all, too many visual impediments and given how many people there were it was pretty hard to see the stage. Still, I don't think I've ever gotten chills as the ones I got when they played comfortably numb, that solo is so powerful. Seeing Gilmour live was in my musical bucket list, I sure feels good to be able to cross that one out.
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New batch of Gilmour solo dates in Europe for this year:
Following yesterday's announcement of the Stuttgart concert in July, David Gilmour has announced a further 11 concerts in mainland Europe, visiting some of Europe's most historical and beautiful cities and venues, bringing the total to 13 including the Polish concert on 25 June. Tickets for these additional shows are on sale from 10am CET on Friday (5 February); sales are restricted to four per person. More information, including ticketing links, at his official site.
The additional dates are:
Monday 27 June – Austria – Vienna – Schloss Schonbrunn
Tuesday 28 June – Austria – Vienna – Schloss Schonbrunn
Sunday 10 July – Italy – Verona – Arena di Verona
Monday 11 July – Italy – Verona – Arena di Verona
Thursday 14 July – Germany – Stuttgart – Schlossplatz
Saturday 16 July – France – Paris – Chateau De Chantilly
Monday 18 July – Germany – Wiesbaden – Bowling Green
Wednesday 20 July – France – Nimes – Les Arenes de Nimes
Thursday 21 July – France – Nimes – Les Arenes de Nimes
Saturday 23 July – France – Besancon – Saline Royale d’Arc et Senans
Wednesday 27 July – Belgium – Tienen – Grote Markt
Thursday 28 July – Belgium – Tienen – Grote Markt
I don't think I'll be able to make it to any of these. I've got a few days vacation in July, but I've got other plans and they don't include travelling to anywhere in Europe this year. Besides, with current economic situation it's going to be quite an expensive trip.
Still, thought I should let you guys know. Sales are opening this Friday and the tickets are usually selling out very fast, so if you have a mind to go, better order as early as possible.
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Sad to see I'm one of the only ones that picked ' The Final Cut '. I love that one.
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It has 12 votes. You're just the only one brave enough to admit liking it.
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It has 12 votes. You're just the only one brave enough to admit liking it.
I LOVE The Final Cut. It's not Top 3, though, but it has more votes than one of mine (Atom Heart Mother).
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The Piper has only 10 votes while it is groundbreaking and all kinds of awesome :laugh:
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That's 10 votes too many. :P
As much as I love The Floyd, I will never get the love many have for that debut record.
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It has 12 votes. You're just the only one brave enough to admit liking it.
I LOVE The Final Cut. It's not Top 3, though, but it has more votes than one of mine (Atom Heart Mother).
Love Gilmour's solo during The Fletcher Memorial Home track!
Shame this album finished the "friendship" of Waters and Gilmour!
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The Final cut is a fantastic album, it's just that it took me five years to realize it. Definitely their most underappreciated record. I also agree that Piper deserves more love, Syd was incredible.
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Never really "got" Syd, to be honest. I know it's a sad story and all that, and I love Piper for what it is, but it's hard to compare something like "See Emily Play" and "Shine On..." I get it that there are all kinds of music, and I love pop (Night Ranger is one of my favorite bands ever) but I think I like The Floyd better when they are reaching for something.
The Final Cut is my go-to record when it's late at night, I want something sort of mellow, but not mindless, and I need to wind down. I think I've fallen asleep to The Final Cut (in a good way, not because "it's boring!") more than all my other 1,700+/- CDs combined.
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The Final Cut is an amazing album. My problem is it's been kind of tainted for me, seeing as I listened to it A LOT when I was really really depressed.
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Yeah, I've had a similar issue with other albums that I used to listen to way to much when I was feeling down. Luckily, I've never overdosed on The Final cut. And it's a good thing I didn't, since it has to be the most depressive album I've ever heard. But the depressive aspect aside, I truly love how Waters brought the anti-war theme to the forefront on this album, since he only scratched the surface of that topic on The Wall. Such an intense theme.
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Listening to P.U.L.S.E. at work right now. So good.
I'm on a 12 hour shift and I think it's going to be full of Pink Floyd and David Gilmour
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Not a bad way to spend 12 hours. :hat
Also, several friends are now going to Chicago next week to see Gilmour. They tried like heck to talk me into going, but I resisted (finances + it would mean taking a vacation day on a Friday, and I am saving them for other things + I am all but retired from concerts). Damn it. :censored
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I don't know what it would take to stop me from going to see Gilmour if he would have been playing in my country.
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I would normally agree, but even if I was still a concert goer, the circumstances just didn't line up for me to go at the last minute (they decided this week to go, like 10 days before the concert). Had I never seen him before, I might feel differently, but I did see Pink Floyd in '94. :coolio :hat
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I would normally agree, but even if I was still a concert goer, the circumstances just didn't line up for me to go at the last minute (they decided this week to go, like 10 days before the concert). Had I never seen him before, I might feel differently, but I did see Pink Floyd in '94. :coolio :hat
Jelly
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I don't know what it would take to stop me from going to see Gilmour if he would have been playing in my country.
Money is what's stopping me, the tickets, airfare and hotel would easily mount up to a 1,000$.
Now if he were to play my city then maybe, but still very expensive.
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You know.. you shouldn't let ONE overplayed song ruin the experience for you...
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Another 12 hour shift ending. Filled the gaps of silence with Wish You Were Here, The Final Cut, and now A Momentary Lapse...
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Money is what's stopping me
You know.. you shouldn't let ONE overplayed song ruin the experience for you...
I appreciate this.
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Haha I didn't make the connection between Jay's post and mine until Orbert did, I'm having a slow day :lol
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I've been in a huge Pink Floyd kick this past week (Well... Gilmour Era and The Wall).
I've probably listened to PULSE and Roger's The Wall from this tour a dozen times.
As I was driving home from work today, I was thinking about how great the backing players are. Mainly John Carin and Guy Pratt.
Then I thought "Hey... it would be cool to see them perform in a PF cover band or something.
Well... Apparently this is a thing
Guy, John, and Durga (one of the female back up singers for FLoyd and Gilmour playing Run Like Hell:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWqmJEo4v04
And then John and Guy playing Learning To Fly. This one is really cool. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfERcN_CjcI
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Jon Carin is fantastic, in particular. Probably the most unsung hero in Pink Floyd history, which you consider his contributions on two Floyd tours as well as various tours with both Gilmour and Waters as solo artists. His keyboard and piano work on the live version of It's a Miracle, very reminiscent of Richard Wright, is dynamite:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iSNEHI7pRU
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My friend worked for British Airways and met lots of musicians in their course of their travels. She said Jon Carin was very nice in person.
Guy Pratt is one of my favorite musicians of all time, if only for his humor. Not my bassists have a side career as a stand up comedian. And he has worked with a crazy number of other big talents, like Robert Palmer, Michael Jackson, and Madonna.
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My friend worked for British Airways and met lots of musicians in their course of their travels. She said Jon Carin was very nice in person.
Guy Pratt is one of my favorite musicians of all time, if only for his humor. Not my bassists have a side career as a stand up comedian. And he has worked with a crazy number of other big talents, like Robert Palmer, Michael Jackson, and Madonna.
Have you read his book?
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Yes! It's great!
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Pink Floyd to release massive 27-disc 'The Early Years 1965-1972' box-set on November 11.
https://www.nme.com/news/pink-floyd/95291?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social (https://www.nme.com/news/pink-floyd/95291?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social)
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Pink Floyd to release massive 27-disc 'The Early Years 1965-1972' box-set on November 11.
https://www.nme.com/news/pink-floyd/95291?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social (https://www.nme.com/news/pink-floyd/95291?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social)
Now that's something worth looking into! Twelve hours of audio and fifteen hours of video!
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And at only $700.00, a bargain!
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That's a good set, right there. I have to figure out a way to get it for < $700, though.
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I love Floyd, but there is no chance in hell I buy that. I have everything I need regarding pre-Dark Side Floyd.
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I love Floyd, but there is no chance in hell I buy that. I have everything I need regarding pre-Dark Side Floyd.
That is quite expensive.
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That is definitely an item for the collector.
Man, has this good of a band ever taken so many bad group photos?
What the hell is going on at 3:30 in that video??
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Interesting perhaps to only me, but there is a show on there from my birthday. Not "the same day but different year", but literally, the exact moment that I was crawling my way, hand by hand, to escape the womb, so was Pink Floyd recording a show that is now officially released on this set. That might be worth the $700 right there.
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That's awesome! :lol
I too have a thing about events that took place the day I was born. If I see video or whatever of it, I always think "and at that moment somewhere else in the world, I was making my first appearance."
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I'm on the fence about getting this box set. The 1965-1972 period is not my favourite from them. I'll decide when it's released and I know how much it will cost me.
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I've been reading this topic with great interest and decided to share with you why I've recently become a big PF fan while having ignored them for decades. When I was much younger, the only song that always resonated with me was of course that radio-friendly hit single called 'Another Brick in the Wall'. I can't think of anything else by them that ever spoke to me in the same way. I was into many kinds of music, just not Pink Floyd. Many years went by, I discovered my all-time favorite band Dream Theater in 2007, which was also a revelation of immense magnitude. And I was already in my late 30s when I first heard DSOTM on Youtube because somebody at work wanted me to listen to it. That was around mid 2013. I was awe-struck. Why did I not hear this gem before? Since then I've been steadily buying the 2011 remastered albums from the 70s (except for Obscured by Clouds), 80s and 90s. It was like getting hit in the face repeatedly by all the awesomeness that for some inexplicable reason had remained hidden so long. Where had this band been all my life??? Why had I not heard Comfortably Numb before on the radio? I seem to remember Money, but it has never stuck with me, not even that awesome bass riff, because I was mainly into other genres / bands at the time.
My favorites are: Dark Side of the Moon, The Wall and The Division Bell.
The discovery of Pink Floyd has unfortunately come at a time when the band officially ended. Ironic that their briliant music has such an impact at this stage in my life. Twenty years ago I probably wouldn't have cared. But now... well I'm glad I've joined the club.
And personally, I tend to prefer the Roger Waters dominated albums, but Gilmour is an amazing musician / songwriter too. His guitar solo's give me the chills.
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I've been reading this topic with great interest and decided to share with you why I've recently become a big PF fan while having ignored them for decades. When I was much younger, the only song that always resonated with me was of course that radio-friendly hit single called 'Another Brick in the Wall'. I can't think of anything else by them that ever spoke to me in the same way. I was into many kinds of music, just not Pink Floyd. Many years went by, I discovered my all-time favorite band Dream Theater in 2007, which was also a revelation of immense magnitude. And I was already in my late 30s when I first heard DSOTM on Youtube because somebody at work wanted me to listen to it. That was around mid 2013. I was awe-struck. Why did I not hear this gem before? Since then I've been steadily buying the 2011 remastered albums from the 70s (except for Obscured by Clouds), 80s and 90s. It was like getting hit in the face repeatedly by all the awesomeness that for some inexplicable reason had remained hidden so long. Where had this band been all my life??? Why had I not heard Comfortably Numb before on the radio? I seem to remember Money, but it has never stuck with me, not even that awesome bass riff, because I was mainly into other genres / bands at the time.
My favorites are: Dark Side of the Moon, The Wall and The Division Bell.
The discovery of Pink Floyd has unfortunately come at a time when the band officially ended. Ironic that their briliant music has such an impact at this stage in my life. Twenty years ago I probably wouldn't have cared. But now... well I'm glad I've joined the club.
And personally, I tend to prefer the Roger Waters dominated albums, but Gilmour is an amazing musician / songwriter too. His guitar solo's give me the chills.
The Division Bell is an under-appreciated album. High Hopes is such a beautiful song. It might even be a Top 10 PF song for me.
They have one of the songs from the box set on Spotify, Granchester Meadows, from a BBC Radio Session. Beautiful song.
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It definitely is Top 10 for me.
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I've been reading this topic with great interest and decided to share with you why I've recently become a big PF fan while having ignored them for decades. When I was much younger, the only song that always resonated with me was of course that radio-friendly hit single called 'Another Brick in the Wall'. I can't think of anything else by them that ever spoke to me in the same way. I was into many kinds of music, just not Pink Floyd. Many years went by, I discovered my all-time favorite band Dream Theater in 2007, which was also a revelation of immense magnitude. And I was already in my late 30s when I first heard DSOTM on Youtube because somebody at work wanted me to listen to it. That was around mid 2013. I was awe-struck. Why did I not hear this gem before? Since then I've been steadily buying the 2011 remastered albums from the 70s (except for Obscured by Clouds), 80s and 90s. It was like getting hit in the face repeatedly by all the awesomeness that for some inexplicable reason had remained hidden so long. Where had this band been all my life??? Why had I not heard Comfortably Numb before on the radio? I seem to remember Money, but it has never stuck with me, not even that awesome bass riff, because I was mainly into other genres / bands at the time.
My favorites are: Dark Side of the Moon, The Wall and The Division Bell.
The discovery of Pink Floyd has unfortunately come at a time when the band officially ended. Ironic that their briliant music has such an impact at this stage in my life. Twenty years ago I probably wouldn't have cared. But now... well I'm glad I've joined the club.
And personally, I tend to prefer the Roger Waters dominated albums, but Gilmour is an amazing musician / songwriter too. His guitar solo's give me the chills.
I had a similar experience with PF, i only "discovered" them in the last 4/5 years. My favorites are DSOTM, Wish You Were Here, animals and The Division Bell.
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I love the Division Bell, my husband doesn't. I think its a very polarized album.
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I love the Division Bell, my husband doesn't. I think its a very polarized album.
Would you say your feelings are Poles Apart? ;)
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I love the Division Bell, my husband doesn't. I think its a very polarized album.
Would you say your feelings are Poles Apart? ;)
That's a bad pun. Take It Back.
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Glad to see this thread Coming back to life.
Anyway, welcome to the club, SolidSnake. I also prefer the Roger Waters dominated albums, although I adore the Syd Barrett stuff as well.
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Casual Floyd fan, but I just realized I have never posted in this thread (at least, not that I can remember), and just felt obligated to chime in. For some reason, I never liked this band growing up. But I think it was less a factor of their actual music and more of just a misplaced general disdain I had for '60s and '70s rock in general, as a kid who was discovering music for the first time in the '80s, mostly through various forms of '80s "hard rock" (Scorpions, Def Leppard, Van Halen, Ozzy, etc.). Floyd was "one of those old bands" that would make me tune out or change the station if they came on the radio. Just never paid attention.
That changed in '91 when I saw a Floyd cover band at a small club in Panama City, Florida. They were really good and prompted me to go out and buy an album or two. I picked up Dark Side of the Moon and Momentary Lapse of Reason, and loved them both. I still do to this day. And while I am not by any stretch a die hard Floyd fan and only have a few albums, I appreciate mostly everything I have ever heard from them. To this day, I still don't have that many albums. I only have:
The Dark Side of the Moon
Wish You Were Here
A Momentary Lapse of Reason
The Delicate Sound of Thunder
The Division Bell
Pulse
I need to get Animals and The Wall eventually, but somehow have just never pulled the trigger. I don't really have a strong desire to get any of their other albums. Am I completely missing out?
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Personally, I think you need to have Animals to understand the Roger Waters Floyd; it's a more pure version of the Floyd that did DSOTM, WYWH, and TW, and I think you need to have The Wall as a matter of musical education. It's one of those albums that transcends it's band/creator. EVERYONE has heard Comfortably Numb and ABITW, Part whatever, but I think you need to hear the whole thing in it's entirely as a story to really get it's importance. And I think you'll listen to it and say "AH! Now I know what "[insert band]" was trying to do there!" it is a HUGELY influential album.
As for the rest, I can't honestly say "You're missing out!" but I think The Final Cut is woefully underrated, and I personally listen to Atom Heart Mother, Obscured by Clouds and Meddle as much as I do the later albums. Especially AHM. The suite is top three Floyd song for me (and they are a top ten band for me). They are rougher, less developed versions of those later albums, but if you're at all interested in the progress and maturation of a band, they are integral.
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I'd say get Animals and The Wall and just stop. Animals is my favorite by virtue of being the most musically consistent and engaging, with Wish You Were Here a close second. The Dark of the Moon gets the award for most fully realized concept and of course is the one that put them on the map. I know a lot of people love The Wall, and I played the hell out of it back when it was new, but it rarely gets any play from me these days. Still, I think you should at least check it out and see what all the fuss is about.
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Casual Floyd fan, but I just realized I have never posted in this thread (at least, not that I can remember), and just felt obligated to chime in. For some reason, I never liked this band growing up. But I think it was less a factor of their actual music and more of just a misplaced general disdain I had for '60s and '70s rock in general, as a kid who was discovering music for the first time in the '80s, mostly through various forms of '80s "hard rock" (Scorpions, Def Leppard, Van Halen, Ozzy, etc.). Floyd was "one of those old bands" that would make me tune out or change the station if they came on the radio. Just never paid attention.
That changed in '91 when I saw a Floyd cover band at a small club in Panama City, Florida. They were really good and prompted me to go out and buy an album or two. I picked up Dark Side of the Moon and Momentary Lapse of Reason, and loved them both. I still do to this day. And while I am not by any stretch a die hard Floyd fan and only have a few albums, I appreciate mostly everything I have ever heard from them. To this day, I still don't have that many albums. I only have:
The Dark Side of the Moon
Wish You Were Here
A Momentary Lapse of Reason
The Delicate Sound of Thunder
The Division Bell
Pulse
I need to get Animals and The Wall eventually, but somehow have just never pulled the trigger. I don't really have a strong desire to get any of their other albums. Am I completely missing out?
While I love The Wall, it's not even in my Top 5 PF albums. Those would be Dark Side, Wish You Were Here, Animals, Meddle, and Obscured by Clouds
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The Wall is definitely bottom 5 IMO. Top 5 for me would have to be Animals, Wish You Were Here, Dark Side of the Moon, Saucerful of Secrets, and Piper at the Gates of Dawn.
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The Wall is a good album, but its legacy transcends its actual quality. It's a very important album, but it's not their best (I know many who might disagree with that). I would say check it out because... it's The Wall. That's almost reason enough to do so.
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I love the Division Bell, my husband doesn't. I think its a very polarized album.
I love its laidback nature. And it ends on such a high note (the bell, literally speaking).
It's actually my last purchased album from a couple of weeks ago.
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I've yet to hear their pre-1971 stuff, and Waters' and Gilmour's solo work.
Amused to Death came in the mail just yesterday. ;D
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I need to get Animals and The Wall eventually, but somehow have just never pulled the trigger. I don't really have a strong desire to get any of their other albums. Am I completely missing out?
Animals and The Wall are essentials (though I don't enjoy The Wall all that much, it's still a worthwhile listen, and definitely an interesting - I just never really connected with it), but I'd also like to like to draw your attention to Meddle and Atom Heart Mother. Both are less consistent albums than, say, Wish You Were Here, but the best songs on each album are definitely on par with the best things that Pink Floyd has done.
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Except for "Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast", which you listen to once for archival purposes (it is part of the Floyd history, what with the later "Household Objects" experiments) Atom Heart Mother is a WAYYYYYYYYYY better album than it gets credit for, in my opinion.
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It took me a long time, but as my taste changed over the years, I somehow found an angle to get into Atom Heart Mother. Once you get there, it's easy to dig the album... though perhaps the Breakfast overstays its welcome.
I can't say the same for Meddle. Besides the obviously great opener and closer, I still don't like any of the other songs.
It's a damn shame "Embryo" never made it onto either album, though.
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Animals is a must, and so is The Wall.
As for the others, I think you'll find that every album has its appreciators. For example, I'd rank The Final cut and Atom heart mother right behind the big four, and I'm also a huge fan of the Syd Barrett days. But then again, those are all releases for the hardcore fans.
I have to agree on the thoughts about Meddle above. Great opener, terrific closer, extremely average material in the middle.
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It took me a long time, but as my taste changed over the years, I somehow found an angle to get into Atom Heart Mother. Once you get there, it's easy to dig the album... though perhaps the Breakfast overstays its welcome.
I can't say the same for Meddle. Besides the obviously great opener and closer, I still don't like any of the other songs.
It's a damn shame "Embryo" never made it onto either album, though.
Animals is a must, and so is The Wall.
As for the others, I think you'll find that every album has its appreciators. For example, I'd rank The Final cut and Atom heart mother right behind the big four, and I'm also a huge fan of the Syd Barrett days. But then again, those are all releases for the hardcore fans.
I have to agree on the thoughts about Meddle above. Great opener, terrific closer, extremely average material in the middle.
BROS! FEARLESS!!! Interpolation "You'll Never Walk Alone"!
Sorry, I jest, but that is one of my favorite Floyd songs ever (though the track "Seamus" is, pun clearly intended, a dog).
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I love the Division Bell, my husband doesn't. I think its a very polarized album.
I love its laidback nature. And it ends on such a high note (the bell, literally speaking).
It's actually my last purchased album from a couple of weeks ago.
I love the album, and loved High Hopes the first time I discovered it by downloading a video from PULSE before the DVD was released.
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Animals is incredible. I think it's my favorite PF album.
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Easily my favourite. All 3 of the main songs would finish amongst my top 10 Floyd tracks, Dogs being my overall #1.
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^^^Same here
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Animals is incredible. I think it's my favorite PF album.
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^^^Same here
there's nothing above you though... :biggrin:
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I'd say get Animals and The Wall and just stop.
This.
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^^ Yeah. The Echoes compilation basically covers the essentials of The Final Cut, Momentary Lapse and The Division Bell, though I'd personally recommend hearing "Signs of Life," "Terminal Frost" and "Cluster One" at least once as well.
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I'd say get Animals and The Wall and just stop.
This.
It's important to note that that recommendation was for someone who already has
The Dark Side of the Moon
Wish You Were Here
A Momentary Lapse of Reason
The Delicate Sound of Thunder
The Division Bell
Pulse
I mean, I like Meddle, apparently more than most people (I like the whole album, not just the first and last tracks), and there are a few gems on other albums, but really, Pink Floyd didn't make that many, and Bosk already has most of the good ones.
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Yes.
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I need to get Animals and The Wall eventually, but somehow have just never pulled the trigger. I don't really have a strong desire to get any of their other albums. Am I completely missing out?
You are missing out big time if you haven't listened to The Piper at The Gates of Dawn yet, it's mindblowing.
Animals and The Wall are both great too :tup
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I'VE GOT A BIKE YOU CAN RIDE IT IF YOU'D LIKE IT'S GOT A BASKET A BELL THAT RINGS AND THINGS TO MAKE IT LOOK GOOD I'D GIVE IT TO YOU IF I COULD BUT I BORROWED IT
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I'VE GOT A BIKE YOU CAN RIDE IT IF YOU'D LIKE IT'S GOT A BASKET A BELL THAT RINGS AND THINGS TO MAKE IT LOOK GOOD I'D GIVE IT TO YOU IF I COULD BUT I BORROWED IT
YOU'RE THE KIND OF GIRL THAT FITS IN WITH MY WORLD I'LL GIVE YOU ANYTHING, EVERYTHING IF YOU WANT THINGS
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:heart
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I know a mouse
And he hasn't got a house
I don't know why
I call him Gerald
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Syd would write lines that sounded so classic and you'd wonder how come nobody came up with them before. The fantastic example is the gingerbread man line: "Take a couple if you wish, they're on a dish." Tremendous.
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I'VE GOT A BIKE YOU CAN RIDE IT IF YOU'D LIKE IT'S GOT A BASKET A BELL THAT RINGS AND THINGS TO MAKE IT LOOK GOOD I'D GIVE IT TO YOU IF I COULD BUT I BORROWED IT
The worst PF song, it does get a lot better towards the end though.
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I absolutely love that song totally unironically.
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^^ Yeah. The Echoes compilation basically covers the essentials of The Final Cut, Momentary Lapse and The Division Bell, though I'd personally recommend hearing "Signs of Life," "Terminal Frost" and "Cluster One" at least once as well.
Totally disagree about The Division Bell. That record, IMO, is great from start to finish, every single track being a winner. I think it is THE go-to Floyd album after the Big 4.
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The Division Bell is alright, but I never really go back to it. That being said High Hopes is (or I guess was now) possibly the greatest closing song to a band's career ever.
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The Division Bell is alright, but I never really go back to it. That being said High Hopes is (or I guess was now) possibly the greatest closing song to a band's career ever.
I still consider High Hopes to be Pink Floyd's closing song. The stuff on The Endless River as being a side-note imo.
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Bike has always been one of my all time favorite PF songs. I was really happy to see it on the Echoes collection.
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The Division Bell is alright, but I never really go back to it. That being said High Hopes is (or I guess was now) possibly the greatest closing song to a band's career ever.
I still consider High Hopes to be Pink Floyd's closing song. The stuff on The Endless River as being a side-note imo.
An epilogue...
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The Division Bell is alright, but I never really go back to it. That being said High Hopes is (or I guess was now) possibly the greatest closing song to a band's career ever.
That's where I always land on TDB. I wish I liked it more. The songs sound more alive on PULSE than the do on the album, but the same is true for the AMLoR/DSoT songs. Which is why I never listen to those two albums, since I have DSoT and PULSE. That said, High Hopes is my favorite PF song.
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The Division Bell is alright, but I never really go back to it. That being said High Hopes is (or I guess was now) possibly the greatest closing song to a band's career ever.
That's where I always land on TDB. I wish I liked it more. The songs sound more alive on PULSE than the do on the album, but the same is true for the AMLoR/DSoT songs. Which is why I never listen to those two albums, since I have DSoT and PULSE. That said, High Hopes is my favorite PF song.
Same. That song is one of my absolute favorite songs ever. :metal
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The Division Bell is alright, but I never really go back to it. That being said High Hopes is (or I guess was now) possibly the greatest closing song to a band's career ever.
I still consider High Hopes to be Pink Floyd's closing song. The stuff on The Endless River as being a side-note imo.
Yeah, I think of it that way too.
Bike has always been one of my all time favorite PF songs. I was really happy to see it on the Echoes collection.
Me too. Sure it's silly, but it's got a charm to it. It's a nice song.
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Bike is great. Was my introduction to the Syd era.
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I seriously adore the entire The Division Bell album. It's maybe their most mainstream-sounding one but it's one wonderful tune after another.
I bought The Endless River when I was just discovering the band, right after the first two I bought (Dark Side and The Wall). I think it's fantastic as well. Yes, even Louder than Words.
I still can't grasp the fact that I'm talking about a songs of a band that have been around for decades, and having written many songs that only start to resonate with me at this point in time. Now I wish I was there when they were too. ;)
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Just watched the blu-ray concert film of Roger Waters The Wall... This was the third time... and the volume was pretty high, and my mind was blown, again. It was just like being there. What an amazing film, the audio is fantastic and I love the energy and visual awesomeness of the concert. The bits where Waters is seen driving around or talking to his friend or reminiscing about his dad don't bother me in the slightest... they're actually little breaks in the overall flow of The Wall's album presentation, and besides giving some personal journey material these breaks make the album longer than the 80 minutes we have. The added material not on the album is superbly integrated.
Totally recommended this comes! Probably the best Floyd concert (not by Floyd) and one amazing audiovisual experience. The film is IMO perfection. The only thing I miss in this blu-ray package is the second disc that seems to have been forgotten for my country (Belgium).
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I found the CD of it at Hastings, got it since it was discounted pretty high 70% since that store was closing early.
It's great and I want to get the Blu-ray to actually watch.
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It's a completely different experience altogether. Not shot like a regular concert either. Edited from multiple concerts on the tour, and you Always get the best angles. Simply jaw-dropping. If you have a good sound system you're in for a treat. :)
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0806zr5#play (https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0806zr5#play) at 51:15, they play Vegetable Man, which is finally offically released on the large box set :azn: So much better then the horrible quality version on Dailymotion :lol I really like it, but I can understand why it didn't make it to Saucerful of Secrets.
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bump.
Is This the Life We Really Want? out may 19th.
https://twitter.com/rogerwaters/status/850397132305641472
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I wasn't a big fan of roger waters' solo releases but I'm excited to give this a spin.
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Curious. Probably won't buy but will definitely check it out.
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Waters has done, IMO, one great solo album in nearly 35 years since leaving Pink Floyd, so my expectations are not high at all, especially since I fear he will beat us over the head with the lyrical content about whatever subject he is pissed about these days. :lol :lol
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He has his moments but I feel like he has been beating the same horse since The Wall.
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I'm very excited about this. It's just fantastic that we'll get to hear some more Roger Waters music for the first time in so many years.
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New Roger song released and no post about it yet? Cmon DTF u can do betta.
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Not a bad song. Will take more listens to really get a feel for it. While not a rocker, it was more upbeat than I was expecting.
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Cool riffs. I like it after a first listen. Usually don't digest lyrics of a song until a second or third listen, and couldn't hear them well via youtube anyway.
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It sounds like it could be a Floyd demo. I'm not saying it's bad; that's just the first feeling I get hearing it.
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Hmm, I thought the new Roger Waters song was really boring. It may get better on more listens, but it just didn't do anything for me. There's nothing new to the sound and structure.
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It sounds like it could be a Floyd demo. I'm not saying it's bad; that's just the first feeling I get hearing it.
Sorry, I'll say it: ALL of Waters solo stuff sounds like it could be a Floyd demo. MAYBE Radio K.A.O.S., but I don't think I've ever had such a disconnect between a band's output and the solo output of a key member, if that makes sense. I have every Floyd album, all the "Immersion" box sets, and am seriously contemplating dropping $450 for the Early Years box set, but I don't own one Roger Waters studio record (I have a burned CD of the aforementioned Radio K.A.O.S.). Such a talented guy, clearly, but in my opinion his ideas need to be bounced off someone.
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Stadler I completely agree with you.
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Oh by the way, I got a GREAT deal on an Early Years boxset, because of the separate volumes being released. The record shop knocked over 150 euro off the price. So I'm a proud owner of that mahoosive boxset!
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Animals is 40 years old this year. Unbelievable.
Currently spinning, track 2, Dogs. Still blows me away every single time even after 40 years.
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Wow, 40 years, huh? I clearly remember the first time I spun it on my Mom's console stereo, while sprawled out on the couch reading Rich Man Poor Man.
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Animals is still my favorite. At this point, I'm thinking that's not ever going to change.
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Oh by the way, I got a GREAT deal on an Early Years boxset, because of the separate volumes being released. The record shop knocked over 150 euro off the price. So I'm a proud owner of that mahoosive boxset!
I see what you did there.
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I have to ask but what makes Animals so great? I've been a life long Pink Floyd fan and I've always though Animals was the worst of the 70's releases.
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It was definitely the one that took me the longest to get in to and appreciate. I loved the other 3 of the big 4 from the first listen.
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I have to ask but what makes Animals so great? I've been a life long Pink Floyd fan and I've always though Animals was the worst of the 70's releases.
You like Atom Heart Mother and Obscured by Clouds more?
Personally, while I love Animals, I just can't say it's as good as Dark Side, WYWH or The Wall.
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Oh by the way, I got a GREAT deal on an Early Years boxset, because of the separate volumes being released. The record shop knocked over 150 euro off the price. So I'm a proud owner of that mahoosive boxset!
I see what you did there.
:lol
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I have to ask but what makes Animals so great? I've been a life long Pink Floyd fan and I've always though Animals was the worst of the 70's releases.
Animals is my favorite album by Floyd, because I like the aggressive and raw feel, but it's also got the sonic experimentation and atmosphere building that they're known for. The lyrics are also some of Waters' finest and just as relevant today as they were 40 years ago; maybe even more (unfortunately :lol).
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The last couple of months I've been expanding my Floyd collection with the Gilmour and Waters solo stuff. And so I'm extremely looking forward to the next album by Roger and I do hope it will be a continuation of Amused to Death, which IMO is almost on par with Dark Side and The Wall. The man is a poet when it comes to lyrics, so if that artistry is present on the new cd I will already be satisfied enough even if the melodies don't immediately grab me.
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It sounds like it could be a Floyd demo. I'm not saying it's bad; that's just the first feeling I get hearing it.
Sorry, I'll say it: ALL of Waters solo stuff sounds like it could be a Floyd demo. MAYBE Radio K.A.O.S., but I don't think I've ever had such a disconnect between a band's output and the solo output of a key member, if that makes sense. I have every Floyd album, all the "Immersion" box sets, and am seriously contemplating dropping $450 for the Early Years box set, but I don't own one Roger Waters studio record (I have a burned CD of the aforementioned Radio K.A.O.S.). Such a talented guy, clearly, but in my opinion his ideas need to be bounced off someone.
Like David Gilmour?
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I have to ask but what makes Animals so great? I've been a life long Pink Floyd fan and I've always though Animals was the worst of the 70's releases.
You like Atom Heart Mother and Obscured by Clouds more?
Personally, while I love Animals, I just can't say it's as good as Dark Side, WYWH or The Wall.
I do like AHM and Obscured more.
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I like Animals because of the songs. I've always liked longer songs, not because I'm impressed by long songs, but because it allows time to explore different ideas within the same tune, maybe do some theme and variations, and of course give the instrumentalists a chance to stretch out. It's like the difference between writing a sentence about something and writing an essay about it.
A fully-formed three-minute pop song can be a masterpiece. Present the idea, wrap it up, move on. I'm just more impressed and more drawn to songs which fully explore the idea, present different sides, come back to the original idea, take it in another direction, etc. 70's Pink Floyd was all about creating the atmosphere and reveling in it, and I love the atmosphere of Animals.
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I can respect that. I think with animals the songs got too long and felt too wordy for my liking.
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I like Animals because of the songs. I've always liked longer songs, not because I'm impressed by long songs, but because it allows time to explore different ideas within the same tune, maybe do some theme and variations, and of course give the instrumentalists a chance to stretch out. It's like the difference between writing a sentence about something and writing an essay about it.
A fully-formed three-minute pop song can be a masterpiece. Present the idea, wrap it up, move on. I'm just more impressed and more drawn to songs which fully explore the idea, present different sides, come back to the original idea, take it in another direction, etc. 70's Pink Floyd was all about creating the atmosphere and reveling in it, and I love the atmosphere of Animals.
In my view there are a handful of bands that are "album bands". I don't mean bands that have great albums - there are a ton of those - but a band whose full measure cannot be taken in anything less than album-length doses. Floyd is like that for me. Pigs on the Wing doesn't make sense without Pigs (and I don't just mean lyrically). Pigs doesn't make sense without Dogs. Dogs doesn't make sense without Sheep. Again, I don't mean just lyrically (that would mean every concept album would be like this, and it's not true. Misplaced Childhood; Dark Side; Tommy) but even the ebb and flow of the music.
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It sounds like it could be a Floyd demo. I'm not saying it's bad; that's just the first feeling I get hearing it.
Sorry, I'll say it: ALL of Waters solo stuff sounds like it could be a Floyd demo. MAYBE Radio K.A.O.S., but I don't think I've ever had such a disconnect between a band's output and the solo output of a key member, if that makes sense. I have every Floyd album, all the "Immersion" box sets, and am seriously contemplating dropping $450 for the Early Years box set, but I don't own one Roger Waters studio record (I have a burned CD of the aforementioned Radio K.A.O.S.). Such a talented guy, clearly, but in my opinion his ideas need to be bounced off someone.
I've probably suggested this before, but check out the In the Flesh DVD. He plays a good amount of his solo stuff, including half of Amused to Death, and in a live format with a talented band it comes off wonderfully. I suspect his band provides a fair amount of "bouncing" with the live interpretations.
Setting aside the introduction to some of his solo stuff, it's one of the very best concert DVDs I own. Great setlist and probably the best band he's had. The Doyle Bramhall Jr/Snowy White combination is exceptional. Oh, and you get a great rendition of Dogs.
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I only listen to Amused To Death every year or so. It nearly gets me depressed. I've got the new mix, audio blu ray and everything, and the record sounds wonderful. I've never attempted to make a favourite albums list, but this one will certainly deserve a place in that.
KAOS is boring, Pro's and Cons really fun, and Ca Ira is still on my 'need to listen to properly' list, with obvious reasons. In The Flesh is a cool concert, I even enjoy The Wall in Berlin.
So yeah I'm looking forward to the new album, but objectively I've only really liked 2 of his solo albums. On the other hand, that's two of his three rock solo albums.
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Setting aside the introduction to some of his solo stuff, it's one of the very best concert DVDs I own. Great setlist and probably the best band he's had. The Doyle Bramhall Jr/Snowy White combination is exceptional. Oh, and you get a great rendition of Dogs.
I feel exactly the same. I've never been a huge Snowy White fan, but he and that other guy do perfectly fine in their roles here. Andy Fairweather-Low aces the bass and guitar parts he takes on (was a little disappointed he didn't take part in The Wall tour). Jon Carin does keyboards for him and Gilmour, so he knows his stuff. And the setlist is as good as it can be, balancing PF and solo material.
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Setting aside the introduction to some of his solo stuff, it's one of the very best concert DVDs I own. Great setlist and probably the best band he's had. The Doyle Bramhall Jr/Snowy White combination is exceptional. Oh, and you get a great rendition of Dogs.
I feel exactly the same. I've never been a huge Snowy White fan, but he and that other guy do perfectly fine in their roles here. Andy Fairweather-Low aces the bass and guitar parts he takes on (was a little disappointed he didn't take part in The Wall tour). Jon Carin does keyboards for him and Gilmour, so he knows his stuff. And the setlist is as good as it can be, balancing PF and solo material.
I'm actually a big Snowy White fan, but a lot of that is because he works so well with others. Part of what worked so well on that tour was Bramhall playing strat to Snowy's Les Paul. Really drives home the harmonies in Dogs, for example. They just sound great together. And I agree completely about AF-L. Guy was an asset while GE Smith just seems to be an extra pair of hands.
I read an interview with Carin a while back and he's a sharp guy who's managed to find a pretty nifty niche to fit into. I'd love to ask him which got him off harder, playing Dogs every night with Waters or Echos with Gilmour? Since they're such starkly different live bands it'd be interesting to hear his take.
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I am friends with someone who used to work Special Services at British Airways - basically taking care of the VIPs. She met lots of rock stars along the way, including Carin. Said he was a great guy. She also said those guys make peanuts (relatively) for their work with David/Roger, but are you really going to say no when one of them asks you to play with them?
Birdwalking a bit, my favorite PF live band guy is, coincidentally, Guy Pratt. Aside from being awesome on the bass, he has a singular wit. So much so, he wrote a book and toured the comedy stage based on his musical work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCR6R4Hpb-0
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Yeah, my cousin hung out with Jon Carin while he was playing with The Who and had nothing but kind things to say about him. Pretty gracious guy, apparently.
And "relatively" would be the key word there. He had a career before doing the PF gigs and now he's almost certainly making enough to live comfortably, while enjoying a fantastic gig as the heir apparent to Rick Wright.
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It sounds like it could be a Floyd demo. I'm not saying it's bad; that's just the first feeling I get hearing it.
Sorry, I'll say it: ALL of Waters solo stuff sounds like it could be a Floyd demo. MAYBE Radio K.A.O.S., but I don't think I've ever had such a disconnect between a band's output and the solo output of a key member, if that makes sense. I have every Floyd album, all the "Immersion" box sets, and am seriously contemplating dropping $450 for the Early Years box set, but I don't own one Roger Waters studio record (I have a burned CD of the aforementioned Radio K.A.O.S.). Such a talented guy, clearly, but in my opinion his ideas need to be bounced off someone.
I've probably suggested this before, but check out the In the Flesh DVD. He plays a good amount of his solo stuff, including half of Amused to Death, and in a live format with a talented band it comes off wonderfully. I suspect his band provides a fair amount of "bouncing" with the live interpretations.
Setting aside the introduction to some of his solo stuff, it's one of the very best concert DVDs I own. Great setlist and probably the best band he's had. The Doyle Bramhall Jr/Snowy White combination is exceptional. Oh, and you get a great rendition of Dogs.
Great DVD. Someone recommended it to me back when it came out and I was even more impressed than I was told I would be.
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Just got In the Flesh concert on dvd a couple of weeks ago. I already knew Amused to Death which has grown to the point I now love it almost completely. But the 4 songs on In the Flesh sound absolutely gobsmacking compared to the originals. I mean there's the added power of the 3 strong female vocalists which adds so much to these songs which have such incredible lyrics to begin with.
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Just got In the Flesh concert on dvd a couple of weeks ago. I already knew Amused to Death which has grown to the point I now love it almost completely. But the 4 songs on In the Flesh sound absolutely gobsmacking compared to the originals. I mean there's the added power of the 3 strong female vocalists which adds so much to these songs which have such incredible lyrics to begin with.
Agreed. The live versions of It's a Miracle and Amused to Death obliterate the studio versions. Jon Carin's keyboard work live in It's a Miracle is reminiscent of the Wish You Were Here record and takes that song to many new levels.
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I'm traveling this weekend but the first thing I'm doing when I get back is checking that out. Other than the Waters solo stuff, it sounds AWESOME.
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After many years of promising to do so, I have finally ordered Amused To Death. Always loved the concept. Just never been much of a Waters guy.
And Snowy White plays on two fantastic Thin Lizzy albums, Chinatown and Renegade. Renegade is a TAC Top 15 album of all time.
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After many years of promising to do so, I have finally ordered Amused To Death. Always loved the concept. Just never been much of a Waters guy.
And Snowy White plays on two fantastic Thin Lizzy albums, Chinatown and Renegade. Renegade is a TAC Top 15 album of all time.
Isn't that like being a top 10 keyboard player in Circus magazine? ;)
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:lol
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After many years of promising to do so, I have finally ordered Amused To Death. Always loved the concept. Just never been much of a Waters guy.
And Snowy White plays on two fantastic Thin Lizzy albums, Chinatown and Renegade. Renegade is a TAC Top 15 album of all time.
Isn't that like being a top 10 keyboard player in Circus magazine? ;)
Oh no, not at all. Thin Lizzy is my #6 all time band. Just out of the Top 5.
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Band? Isn't Thin Lizzy a person?
:jamaritard:
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:lol
I'm so lost!
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Just figure out which one's Pink and you'll be as right as rain. :biggrin:
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Band? Isn't Thin Lizzy a person?
Yeah, but I've seen her, and she's really ugly. She puts on a good stage show, though, and her guitarist is pretty good.
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Band? Isn't Thin Lizzy a person?
Yeah, but I've seen her, and she's really ugly. She puts on a good stage show, though, and her guitarist is pretty good.
What's his name - Philler Knot?
Or
Fill her knot? :zydar:
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At the risk of being the butt of a joke that I don't understand ;D, my Amused To Death arrived today. I'm through the first few tracks. Man, pretty mellow stuff. Creepy, even. But it's cool. I do enjoy The Final Cut.
Didn't realize Jeff Beck is the guitarist on this, and Jeff Porcaro the drummer.
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Jeff Porcaro did the drums on Mother too I believe.
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On the original The Wall album? Never knew that...
Don Henley (!!!) even sings background vocals on one of the songs on ATD!
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Toni Tennille (from "The Captain and Tennille") did backing vocals on "The Wall", as did Bruce Johnston (from the Beach Boys) and Lee Ritenour (famed studio guitarist) played on a couple tracks.
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New song from Roger. I like this one a lot more than Smell The Roses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3YlyE58LAk
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I skimmed through it a bit. About what I expected from Roger. I'm a selective Floyd fan. I'm pretty partial to Meddle-The Wall, and pretty much just a casual listener of anything else, including the solo records. The last production of The Wall from Roger was amazing, and it was the best concert I've ever attended just because of the sheer engagement and show. And I have tickets for this upcoming tour. Looking forward to it, but hoping for a set more predicated on Floyd classics (which is pretty much his MO anyway).
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New song from Roger. I like this one a lot more than Smell The Roses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3YlyE58LAk
Not a bad song. Kinda of a catchy little number, although I sure hope that's not the best song on the record.
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Looks like this is the set list Waters is doing on the tour that just started:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/roger-waters/2017/sprint-center-kansas-city-mo-7be7c6a8.html
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I will admit that I am disappointed in the lack of "Set the Controls.."
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That's one extraordinary set list in terms of how much music it contains. However, I wish he included some of his other solo stuff. He basically ignored all three of his solo albums.
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Yeah, I was disappointed to see nothing in there from Amused to Death. I probably wasn't going to go anyway (he is in St Louis this coming Tuesday), but if he was playing the last two songs from ATD, that might've been enough to get me to go.
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I don't have a link at the moment, but I read an article talking about a bunch of people walking out during his first show. Apparently they were highly offended by Water's strong political messaging during his show.
Someone was even quoted saying something like "I came here for the music, not to have his political opinions shoved down my throat".
Do.. do these people not realize who the fuck they bought tickets to see? :lol
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While reading your post I thought the same thing. They were probably likely people whom only heard Darkside or Another Brick In The Wall Pt.2
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The lyrics are one thing, but read this review:
https://www.kansascity.com/entertainment/ent-columns-blogs/back-to-rockville/article153041709.html
Sounds like he went overboard with the anti-Trump sentiment with his video screen projection stuff, which I can see being a turnoff for some. I swear, it's like some artists forget that people go to a rock concert to have fun, not to get beaten over the head with some political message.
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Roger's always been political, though, hasn't he? If I went to a Roger Waters show, I would expect to have some political messages being thrown at me. It's not like people wonder where all of it comes from and leave the shows shocked and surprised.
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I think a difference here is that, while The Wall has political undertones, and many of them were updated for the recent Wall tour, they were fairly neutral in their message. This tour is more blatant and direct, Trump's imagery during Pigs, for example.
I agree with Kev that most people go to a rock concert to rock out and enjoy an escape for a couple hours. If I went to this show, I would know what I was going to get though, knowing what I know about the artist and this tour. I really wanted to go to this, but funds and other issues came up, but I am not overly disappointed. Dogs and Pigs would have been worth the price of admission, but there isn't anything else in the setlist, or the overall show, that makes me want to buy a ticket.
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I really don't get why people would leave even if they don't agree with Waters' political position or his"anti-Trumpism". Fine, you say you came for the music and to have fun. Why can't you simply ignore the political messages? The song is still there, the notes are played. Is their cognitive dissonance so strong that they can't even listen to a political message, think about it for a minute, question it without becoming enraged or dissapointed? I really don't understand how does a simple message can have such an effect on people that it causes them to leave...
You don't have to agree with Waters to enjoy his music. You don't have to be a Christian to enjoy Neal Morse. You don't have to be a satanist or anarchist or whatever to enjoy Black Metal and so on...
Furthermore, I think that in the whole history of music there has been and there will continue to be political, philosophical, anti-establishment stuff, etc. There are zillions of bland, futile love songs out there. Go listen to that instead if you don't want to listen to something that challenges the status quo or sings/questions the problems of the world. Regardless if you agree with the message or not, shouldn't we be glad that at least someone writes stuff like that?
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I really don't get why people would leave even if they don't agree with Waters' political position or his"anti-Trumpism". Fine, you say you came for the music and to have fun. Why can't you simply ignore the political messages? The song is still there, the notes are played. Is their cognitive dissonance so strong that they can't even listen to a political message, think about it for a minute, question it without becoming enraged or dissapointed? I really don't understand how does a simple message can have such an effect on people that it causes them to leave...
You don't have to agree with Waters to enjoy his music. You don't have to be a Christian to enjoy Neal Morse. You don't have to be a satanist or anarchist or whatever to enjoy Black Metal and so on...
Furthermore, I think that in the whole history of music there has been and there will continue to be political, philosophical, anti-establishment stuff, etc. There are zillions of bland, futile love songs out there. Go listen to that instead if you don't want to listen to something that challenges the status quo or sings/questions the problems of the world. Regardless if you agree with the message or not, shouldn't we be glad that at least someone writes stuff like that?
This sums it up nicely.
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I just watched the PULSE concert DVD last night. Out of all the Dream Theater, Rush, Yes, etc dvd's I own, PULSE is still the best one. That was filmed with standard definition cameras, and the sound is amazing! R30 is a close runner up.
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PULSE is pretty amazing (I still feel weird typing it that way). I wore out my VHS Delicate Sound of Thunder, so that holds a slightly higher place in my fandom than PULSE does. I also think the AMLoR songs are much better than on the album.
If you can find it, the 1989(?) concert in Venice, that I think was shown on broadcast TV, is a good watch too. It is basically the DSoT set if I recall.
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Cool, thanks for the heads up! I've never seen the whole DSOT. I've never heard of the Venice one.
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PULSE is pretty amazing (I still feel weird typing it that way). I wore out my VHS Delicate Sound of Thunder, so that holds a slightly higher place in my fandom than PULSE does. I also think the AMLoR songs are much better than on the album.
If you can find it, the 1989(?) concert in Venice, that I think was shown on broadcast TV, is a good watch too. It is basically the DSoT set if I recall.
I'll have to see if I can find that show. I saw a few pictures of the stage setup for Venice and it looked incredible.
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I really don't get why people would leave even if they don't agree with Waters' political position or his"anti-Trumpism". Fine, you say you came for the music and to have fun. Why can't you simply ignore the political messages? The song is still there, the notes are played. Is their cognitive dissonance so strong that they can't even listen to a political message, think about it for a minute, question it without becoming enraged or dissapointed? I really don't understand how does a simple message can have such an effect on people that it causes them to leave...
You don't have to agree with Waters to enjoy his music. You don't have to be a Christian to enjoy Neal Morse. You don't have to be a satanist or anarchist or whatever to enjoy Black Metal and so on...
Furthermore, I think that in the whole history of music there has been and there will continue to be political, philosophical, anti-establishment stuff, etc. There are zillions of bland, futile love songs out there. Go listen to that instead if you don't want to listen to something that challenges the status quo or sings/questions the problems of the world. Regardless if you agree with the message or not, shouldn't we be glad that at least someone writes stuff like that?
I think, without knowing any of the people personally, that there is a healthy dose of irony and/or hypocrisy in leaving; how many of those fans will go to a U2 show or an REM show or a Bruce show and sit through THEIR political rantings? The two most political statements I ever heard from a stage were Michael Stipe - five days after Bush was re-elected in 2004 - saying "this past Tuesday was the worst day of my fucking life" (he was booed, I hasten to add) and Bruce, at a stadium show in CT, making disparaging comments/jokes about Dick Cheney (that fell flat; he was booed as well, I'm also obligated to report). In both cases, the artist made the comment BETWEEN songs, and in both cases, they artist seemingly mistakenly thought they were on safe ground and that the audience just HAD to agree with them. I wasn't keen on the politics - I was there for the music, as I usually am for a concert - but I found more satisfaction in that than anything else (that the audience had a free thinking mind).
I think at this point, in the age of the interwebs and YooToob, if you go to a Waters show and are surprised by the presence and inclination of the political message, you kind of deserve what you get.
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For an example of the non-liberal side of things: If I go to a Ted Nugent show I expect to hear crazy political ravings.
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For an example of the non-liberal side of things: If I go to a Ted Nugent show I expect to hear crazy political ravings.
And, you would be correct. I remember seeing him open for KISS back in 2000 or 2002 (don't remember the exact year) and him calling for Janet Reno's death.
Honestly, I can't really listen to Nugent anymore knowing just how big an a$$hole he is.
I feel there's a huge difference between Waters' lefty rants and Nugent's radical righty rants.
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For an example of the non-liberal side of things: If I go to a Ted Nugent show I expect to hear crazy political ravings.
And, you would be correct. I remember seeing him open for KISS back in 2000 or 2002 (don't remember the exact year) and him calling for Janet Reno's death.
Honestly, I can't really listen to Nugent anymore knowing just how big an a$$hole he is.
I feel there's a huge difference between Waters' lefty rants and Nugent's radical righty rants.
Other than "you disagree", what would those be? Why do Mike Stipe, Bruce and Roger get "political message" (Kev, mladen, ChuckSteak all referred to the statements as "political messages") and once we "go right", it's all of a sudden "crazy political ravings" and "radical righty rants"?
I didn't go back and read each one, but I don't recall anyone referring to Waters as an "a$$hole", even though some of his socialist views are incredibly extreme (particularly those regarding Israel).
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For an example of the non-liberal side of things: If I go to a Ted Nugent show I expect to hear crazy political ravings.
And, you would be correct. I remember seeing him open for KISS back in 2000 or 2002 (don't remember the exact year) and him calling for Janet Reno's death.
Honestly, I can't really listen to Nugent anymore knowing just how big an a$$hole he is.
I feel there's a huge difference between Waters' lefty rants and Nugent's radical righty rants.
Other than "you disagree", what would those be? Why do Mike Stipe, Bruce and Roger get "political message" (Kev, mladen, ChuckSteak all referred to the statements as "political messages") and once we "go right", it's all of a sudden "crazy political ravings" and "radical righty rants"?
I didn't go back and read each one, but I don't recall anyone referring to Waters as an "a$$hole", even though some of his socialist views are incredibly extreme (particularly those regarding Israel).
Right wingers can certainly get "political messages", too. However, for me, a lot of it is in the delivery. And, often, Nugent comes from a place of hatred where he's wishing ill will on others. There's enough negativity out there. I don't need any more.
Personally, I wish my entertainers would stick to entertaining. Just because someone has a huge platform doesn't mean they have the capacity to use it correctly or intelligently. That goes for Nugent, Springsteen, Bono, Tim Robbins or any other entertainer. Stick to your craft. You don't tell me who I should vote for. I won't tell you how to sing or act.
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Personally, I wish my entertainers would stick to entertaining. Just because someone has a huge platform doesn't mean they have the capacity to use it correctly or intelligently. That goes for Nugent, Springsteen, Bono, Tim Robbins or any other entertainer. Stick to your craft. You don't tell me who I should vote for. I won't tell you how to sing or act.
You know, if any of them wants to attend a rally, tape a commercial, or even campaign for someone, I don't care. But if I pay money for a ticket to a performance and then it becomes part of the performance, that's where I draw the line.
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Personally, I wish my entertainers would stick to entertaining. Just because someone has a huge platform doesn't mean they have the capacity to use it correctly or intelligently. That goes for Nugent, Springsteen, Bono, Tim Robbins or any other entertainer. Stick to your craft. You don't tell me who I should vote for. I won't tell you how to sing or act.
You know, if any of them wants to attend a rally, tape a commercial, or even campaign for someone, I don't care. But if I pay money for a ticket to a performance and then it becomes part of the performance, that's where I draw the line.
Well said (by both of you). :tup :tup
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Then again, there is one entertainer who I wish would would be more politically responsible and less entertaining. He uses words like "bigly" and writes using words like "covfefe".
But, I don't want to totally de-rail this thread. So, I'll stop here.
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We need to get back on track, bigly.
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You asked for it.
I like Side One of Meddle more than Side Two.
"Echoes" is cool, but if you're sober that middle section just goes on too damned long. The songs on Side One are all good. Yes, even "Seamus" and even "San Tropez" (which is my favorite).
(https://imgur.com/kYEotVZ.jpg)
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Are you sure you're of sound mind?
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That's the problem. When I'm baked, "Echoes" is a fucking masterpiece. When I'm of sound mind, I like the versus well enough, but the middle section just drags. Meanwhile, I can always listen to Side One. Nowadays of course, it's CD or iPod, in which case I just press Play, and I noticed recently that I stop when I get to "Echoes" at least half the time.
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As embarrassing as it probably is to admit, I've never gotten baked in my life. So when I read about how Pink Floyd is an amazing band to check out when under the influence, especially that particular era of the band, I always find myself wondering if I'm missing out or not. :lol
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I HAVE been baked, and drunk, and I much prefer Floyd sober.
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I don't know. Baked Pink Floyd looks pretty good.
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/528036cbe4b0c046bfaa2d71/t/55c80413e4b082ffb96f4682/1439171603168/PinkFloydCake.jpg?format=2500w)
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I don't know. Baked Pink Floyd looks pretty good.
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/528036cbe4b0c046bfaa2d71/t/55c80413e4b082ffb96f4682/1439171603168/PinkFloydCake.jpg?format=2500w)
That does look appetizing, but it's missing the flying pig from Animals...
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If you were stoned, you'd be able to see it! ;D
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One of these days is the only song on side one of Meddle that I really like. Side two is where it's at for me. :hefdaddy
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One of these days is the only song on side one of Meddle that I really like. Side two is where it's at for me. :hefdaddy
I read an old interview back in the 90s that went something like, the band is aware of the fact that only half of Meddle sounds like the Pink Floyd most people come to think of from TDSotM onward.
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That's the problem. When I'm baked, "Echoes" is a fucking masterpiece. When I'm of sound mind, I like the versus well enough, but the middle section just drags. Meanwhile, I can always listen to Side One. Nowadays of course, it's CD or iPod, in which case I just press Play, and I noticed recently that I stop when I get to "Echoes" at least half the time.
I've never been baked, fried, or cooked, but still enjoy the fuck out of Echoes. It's my favorite PF song. However, I will say that the rest of Meddle is awesome, too. It's one of their most underrated albums.
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I've never bothered to get Meddle. Hmm..
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Obviously, it's worth it for Echoes alone. A Pillow of Winds and Fearless are beautiful. The other songs are really good, too.
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Fearless.
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One of these days is the only song on side one of Meddle that I really like. Side two is where it's at for me. :hefdaddy
I read an old interview back in the 90s that went something like, the band is aware of the fact that only half of Meddle sounds like the Pink Floyd most people come to think of from TDSotM onward.
That's probably true. They used to write songs, and have albums with songs on them, and that was good enough. Then Waters decided that every album had to have a grand unifying concept to it, which is a lofty goal, and the next several albums were great because of it, but there's still nothing wrong with just creating albums with regular songs.
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That's probably true. They used to write songs, and have albums with songs on them, and that was good enough. Then Waters decided that every album had to have a grand unifying concept to it, which is a lofty goal, and the next several albums were great because of it, but there's still nothing wrong with just creating albums with regular songs.
Absolutely. That's what makes Piper, A Saucerful of secrets and Atom heart mother such good albums.
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That's probably true. They used to write songs, and have albums with songs on them, and that was good enough. Then Waters decided that every album had to have a grand unifying concept to it, which is a lofty goal, and the next several albums were great because of it, but there's still nothing wrong with just creating albums with regular songs.
Absolutely. That's what makes Piper, A Saucerful of secrets and Atom heart mother such good albums.
Three exceedingly underrated albums.
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Listening to the new Waters album. I dunno, while it has some good moments, it feels like he's covering his old songs. For a 25 year gap, I was hoping for some musical evolution.
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Good assessment. Haven't heard all of it, like what I have heard to an extent, think it's largely good, better than some of his other solo work. Still impressive a man his age can put out a quality product, having not written an album in 25 years.
And there is plenty wrong with Piper and Atom Heart Mother.
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What's wrong with Piper? It's such a unique mix of psychedelic and experimental rock mixed with beatles like pop.
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Personal preference. Though to be fair, I will try and give it a good listen this weekend, it has been a while for me.
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I'm enjoying the new Roger Waters album so far. The second half kind of loses me, but the first half comes across as pretty gritty and in-your-face. Picture that and the title track are very menacing and intense.
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Listening to the new Waters album. I dunno, while it has some good moments, it feels like he's covering his old songs. For a 25 year gap, I was hoping for some musical evolution.
You serious? :D From a 70 year old? :D
I think it's a very good album. Sure, sometimes you think you're listening to Mother or Amused To Death, but the overall album ist great imho.
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I think it's a very good album. Sure, sometimes you think you're listening to Mother or Amused To Death, but the overall album ist great imho.
I'm pretty excited to get it, is it safe to assume it's a concept album?
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I'm still trying to figure out the concept, but I think there's a shift in the storyline after the track. It seems to me like it turns into a love story, could it be about his recent divorce? I could be waaaaaaay off, though.
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Personally, I wish my entertainers would stick to entertaining. Just because someone has a huge platform doesn't mean they have the capacity to use it correctly or intelligently. That goes for Nugent, Springsteen, Bono, Tim Robbins or any other entertainer. Stick to your craft. You don't tell me who I should vote for. I won't tell you how to sing or act.
You know, if any of them wants to attend a rally, tape a commercial, or even campaign for someone, I don't care. But if I pay money for a ticket to a performance and then it becomes part of the performance, that's where I draw the line.
I do not understand this at all. If you've gone decades listening to Pink Floyd never feeling like they've been challenging the way you think - I'm sorry - you've never listened to Pink Floyd. Waters is certainly lacking subtlety that he's never been particularly known for to begin with, but these latest statements should come as no huge surprise.
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Spot on Skeever.
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I think it's a very good album. Sure, sometimes you think you're listening to Mother or Amused To Death, but the overall album ist great imho.
I'm pretty excited to get it, is it safe to assume it's a concept album?
I think yes, though I don't know what the actual concept is about. He mentions a lot of political stuff though.
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Personally, I wish my entertainers would stick to entertaining. Just because someone has a huge platform doesn't mean they have the capacity to use it correctly or intelligently. That goes for Nugent, Springsteen, Bono, Tim Robbins or any other entertainer. Stick to your craft. You don't tell me who I should vote for. I won't tell you how to sing or act.
You know, if any of them wants to attend a rally, tape a commercial, or even campaign for someone, I don't care. But if I pay money for a ticket to a performance and then it becomes part of the performance, that's where I draw the line.
I do not understand this at all. If you've gone decades listening to Pink Floyd never feeling like they've been challenging the way you think - I'm sorry - you've never listened to Pink Floyd. Waters is certainly lacking subtlety that he's never been particularly known for to begin with, but these latest statements should come as no huge surprise.
Respectfully, I think you understand it pretty well. Note you said "subtlety." Waters hasn't shown any. There's a line for me, just like there is for TAC and others. It's hard to pinpoint it, but you know it when you see it. I was going to Waters' show this month in my area. I sold my ticket after hearing it is basically an anti-Trump rally. That wasn't the primary reason (I had plans made after buying it that are more important to me than the concert), but it heavily contributed to it. And...I'm NO FAN of Trump. Did not vote for him, do not like him and how he conducts himself. And I know, obviously, Roger's political leanings and that he can be extremely overt.
But there comes a point where things get to be overboard, where you need to just draw the line in the sand and say "no more." I saw Roger Waters put on the most incredible concert I have ever seen when he did The Wall. Just visually spectacular. Greatest thing I have ever seen. It was incredible. It led to me buying a ticket to his current performance last November for a show this month, and spending a good sum to do it. But he's lost me because of how overt he is being.
I go to a show to immerse myself in the music and lose touch with "the real world" for a while. I'm not naive, I realize some things are said and referenced during the shows I see all the time (Living Colour comes to mind immediately). But there's just a personal line for me, and for many people where it goes overboard. Roger has done that. I respect him as a musician and songwriter, and I admire his passion for issues he feels deeply about. But I wasn't attending a show to immerse myself in a political rally. I was going to sing along to songs I love and see a visually stunning show. Roger went to far, so I bowed out, without regret, and without bias to the future (well, if he ever came around again, and that is a big IF, given his age, I actually wouldn't buy a ticket immediately -- I'd wait and see what the show is like first, so there is a pinch of bias).
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Well Samsara I think this is truly the first time anyone has presented an argument against Waters that I can respect, hats off! But that's really usual of you.
I disagree with your overall point, but that's just a matter of personal taste though. I wouldn't want my entertainment to be meaningless disconnect from the real world, I like it to help me take a break from seeing the real world in it's raw dry ugly form and have me lost in the artistic take on it. Not that I don't like some solid silly entertainment, but there's plenty of that to go around.
Also I think Roger Waters opinions on Zionism are very humanitarian, not just "extreme leftist" views. I actually just saw an interview where someone asked him if he got rid of The Wall touring set/stage and he said he didn't cause he promised his Israeli friends to do a one off/last performance of The Wall in Israel if they change their apartheid policies and remove the segregation wall in the West bank.
If you guys wanna continue discussing Waters politics I'd really appreciate it if we please take it to P&R, there's a lot of good musical discussion on this thread and I wouldn't wanna muddy it, please.
I'm still trying to figure out the concept, but I think there's a shift in the storyline after the track. It seems to me like it turns into a love story, could it be about his recent divorce? I could be waaaaaaay off, though.
Good, if there's no clear concept I can throw the album in a shuffle playlist with Rattle That Lock, which I haven't heard yet either, and pretend it's the new Pink Floyd album :neverusethis:
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The second half of the album is slighty more subtle lyrically, but it could still very well follow the same concept. I just need to dig deeper into those words and try to interpret them. The lyrics that are obvious and more direct, however, are mostly good, but as much as I support Roger's expression and admire his passionate activism, the preachiness does get a bit too much sometimes. It didn't bother me at first, but I'm kind of starting to see the line as well.
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Personally, I wish my entertainers would stick to entertaining. Just because someone has a huge platform doesn't mean they have the capacity to use it correctly or intelligently. That goes for Nugent, Springsteen, Bono, Tim Robbins or any other entertainer. Stick to your craft. You don't tell me who I should vote for. I won't tell you how to sing or act.
You know, if any of them wants to attend a rally, tape a commercial, or even campaign for someone, I don't care. But if I pay money for a ticket to a performance and then it becomes part of the performance, that's where I draw the line.
I do not understand this at all. If you've gone decades listening to Pink Floyd never feeling like they've been challenging the way you think - I'm sorry - you've never listened to Pink Floyd. Waters is certainly lacking subtlety that he's never been particularly known for to begin with, but these latest statements should come as no huge surprise.
Spot on Skeever.
Not exactly spot on, though. I have been VERY challenged by Pink Floyd, but there has been as much personally and intimately challenging about it as there has been overt political reference. Even the two political "biggies", Animals and The Final Cut, have a personal aspect to them that make them touch. Maybe it's just me, but the "Liberal/Conservative" aspect of A and TFC aren't the points that stick with me. It's the way that the macro - the politics - and the micro - the personal - touch. Politics - of either stripe - kill people (in this case, Eric Waters). The subtitle - on the album cover - of TFC is "A Requiem". That's a remembrance of the dead. THAT'S what that was about, not the "politics of Great Britain". And when you set those albums in the context of The Wall, WYWH, and DSOTM, you have an INCREDIBLY personal experience. THAT'S why Floyd touched all those hearts, not because there are a million fans that love Roger's socialism.
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Well Samsara I think this is truly the first time anyone has presented an argument against Waters that I can respect, hats off! But that's really usual of you.
I disagree with your overall point, but that's just a matter of personal taste though. I wouldn't want my entertainment to be meaningless disconnect from the real world, I like it to help me take a break from seeing the real world in it's raw dry ugly form and have me lost in the artistic take on it. Not that I don't like some solid silly entertainment, but there's plenty of that to go around.
Also I think Roger Waters opinions on Zionism are very humanitarian, not just "extreme leftist" views. I actually just saw an interview where someone asked him if he got rid of The Wall touring set/stage and he said he didn't cause he promised his Israeli friends to do a one off/last performance of The Wall in Israel if they change their apartheid policies and remove the segregation wall in the West bank.
If you guys wanna continue discussing Waters politics I'd really appreciate it if we please take it to P&R, there's a lot of good musical discussion on this thread and I wouldn't wanna muddy it, please.
There's a vast difference between being told "this is a position" (right or wrong, left or right) and "hey, consider this... it's not as black and white as you might think..." Roger Waters comparing Israel with Nazi Germany (and don't even TRY to argue that Waters "didn't mean that multi-level comparison") is hardly "humanitarian". He's borderline anti-Semite with much of what he has said. I'm only restating what Samsara is saying, but I want to THINK, and take what Waters has to offer and assimilate it into my own thinking, not be brow-beaten with a point of view. Waters is the latter, by a long shot.
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Yeah, Waters views on Israel are controversial, to say the least. I totally respect anyone not comfortable with them. And that's a conversation that, honestly, could get ugly. Let's avoid it.
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Yeah I think you're wrong Stadler on the Israel issue but I'm not gonna get into it in this thread.
On a lighter subject I think both Gilmour and Waters are full of it cause I've seen some interviews recently where they both separately were asked variations of the question why they thought Pink Floyd was associated with drugs and they both answered along the lines of "I have no idea why", c'mon now :lol
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That's always been their position. Even back to the Live at Pompeii video, Gilmour looked completely stoned out of his mind, glassy eyes, distant look, and tells the guy flat out that he doesn't understand the association with drugs.
I think it's things like the atmospheric nature of a lot of their music, longer songs that allow the listener to become quite immersed, and (especially earlier) the improv jams, which become accentuated by certain drugs which have made that association. There weren't many bands, at least not many well-known ones, that have all of those aspects to their music, so Pink Floyd became the one that the media liked to associate with drug culture.
Edit: typo
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Add to it the scene they came from - London in '66/'67, when the Beatles were ass-deep in LSD experimentation - and the fact that they arguably lost their main songwriter, frontman and lead guitar player as an acid casualty, and I agree that it is perplexing that the band claims ignorance on that fact.
Having said that, it may not be 'ignorance' per se, and frustration/consternation with the interviewer for not knowing such an integral part of their history (and not wanting to dredge up Syd in that context).
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I don't think it's ignorance at all; I think they're feigning ignorance. Just completely denying it. Because anything less than that would be blown up by the media. If they admit that yeah, sometimes they were stoned in the studio, the media go nuts ("Pink Floyd Admit to Being High in the Studio"). If they admit that they're heard from fans that their music is great to listen to while stoned, the media go nuts ("Pink Floyd Admit that Their Music and Drugs Go Together"). No one would be surprised by this, but Pink Floyd, despite being rockers, are proper English gentlemen from good homes and well-to-do families. It seems to me that they made some kind of decision from the beginning to just deny any kind of link to drugs, because drugs are still illegal, and that's a can of worms that they will not open. And yeah, after the thing with Syd, that just strengthened their resolve.
So let the rest of the world make the association, let a large percentage of fans make noise about it, it's no secret; but officially, nope, they just don't get it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKV0dGIn_TM
Video from 1973.
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Saw Roger last night in LA. Amazing show! I'll post pics of peeps want.
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Roger should have his own thread. Love the new album. Hope I get to hear a lot of it and Amused to Death in August though I realize he needs to play Floyd to sell out stadiums. Probably the last big concert I'll ever be at.
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Roger should have his own thread. Love the new album. Hope I get to hear a lot of it and Amused to Death in August though I realize he needs to play Floyd to sell out stadiums. Probably the last big concert I'll ever be at.
The Floyd guys seems to get more chatter in this thread. I started a Gilmour solo thread a while back and that went nowhere.
Then again, there has been almost no chatter about the new Waters record, which is pretty surprising.
Then again again, music discussion on this forum seems to be dropping way off in general.
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Roger should have his own thread. Love the new album. Hope I get to hear a lot of it and Amused to Death in August though I realize he needs to play Floyd to sell out stadiums. Probably the last big concert I'll ever be at.
The Floyd guys seems to get more chatter in this thread. I started a Gilmour solo thread a while back and that went nowhere.
Then again, there has been almost no chatter about the new Waters record, which is pretty surprising.
Then again again, music discussion on this forum seems to be dropping way off in general.
Not here often enough to get an accurate read on that. Guess everyone is on Facebook or something....
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This is a good place to discuss the new albums by Roger or Dave. After all, it's not like we can discuss any Pink Floyd news, because there aren't any.
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I've barely listened to Roger's new album, but I kind of like Picture That.
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Just saw Roger Waters in Tacoma Wa, a week ago. His new material transpired well live, his vocals sounded good too. The production and sound was excellent, but he got too political at times. The last two songs were the highlight of the show, they finally ditched the screens and brought out the lasers.
I just recently watched the Pulse dvd of Pink Floyd (1995) with David Gilmour at the helm, that is a much better show than what I seen live a week ago with Waters.
David Gilmour has so much more class imho..
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I've been listening to Is This The Life We Really Want and Rattle That Lock. The first sounds like a decent follow-up to The Final Cut and the second sounds like a decent follow-up to A Momentary Lapse of Reason heh
There's this stale 80's vibe to Gilmour's album, especially the title track. I like the album okay though. Amazing guitar work as usual and expected, still love his vocals and still iffy about Polly Samson's lyrics.
Waters album, I love! Very creative stuff here, amazing orchestration and strings, the music grabs your attention pretty much for the entire album, like initially I'd put the music on and start working on something only to find myself distracted in thinking of what's playing. Brilliant lyrics but I didn't like the spoken-word style of singing Waters used almost throughout the album, he knows singing is his weak spot but he already has us used to the sound of his voice from the Floyd days, an it-is-what-it-is thing so why hold back? Could be age.
I can only imagine if Gilmour's voice and guitar soloing were all over Waters music and creativity in song writing and arrangement, oh wait that's the 70's! But both these guys continued ability to do these things is what makes it so devastating that they don't collaborate anymore, each of them has strength that totally compliments that other and weaknesses that totally get supported by the other, they're truly the most perfect band mates in the industry history IMO.
Like I said Is This The Life We Really Want feels like a Floyd album that comes after The Final Cut, it's the only Roger Waters album that feels like that. However Rattle That Lock feels like the Gilmour solo effort that it is and along with On An Island supports my impression that AMLOR and The Division Bell could have also easily been Gilmour solo albums. In a way This The Life We Really Want is the first thing that sounds like Floyd to me, since The Final Cut.
It's too soon for me to mash the two albums together into one playlist and stop listening to them individually but I sooooo wanna do that and convince myself it's new Floyd hehe
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I just found out that Vera Lynn is still alive and she's a 100 this year :)
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The new Waters album, which I finally listened to, is pretty good, but aside from Picture That, which is the one track that stands out, I don't see much of this staying with me.
On the flip side, I still love most of Rattle That Lock. Gilmour (and his lady friend lyric writer) obviously cannot touch Waters when it comes to lyrics, but I will always take great music and average lyrics over okay music and great lyrics any day of the week.
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Count me in as another voter for Picture that being the best song on the album.
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I just found out that Vera Lynn is still alive and she's a 100 this year :)
But do you remember her?
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Does anybody here remember her?
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Apparently she said we'd meet again...
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Some sunny day I believe
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I will always take great music and average lyrics over okay music and great lyrics any day of the week.
Hey we agree on something with regards to music!
I like the Waters album. Not enough to buy it, but have Spotify'ed it a couple times. Honestly I don't care for his other solo albums much, so maybe the bar is low. I haven't listened to the new Gilmour enough. Will add that to my list of things to listen to.
Good post by Progmetty too, I think that assessment was pretty solid.
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I will always take great music and average lyrics over okay music and great lyrics any day of the week.
Hey we agree on something with regards to music!
Do we usually not? ???
I am getting older, so I can never remember anymore... :lol :lol
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I just found out that Vera Lynn is still alive and she's a 100 this year :)
But do you remember her?
Apparently she said we'd meet again...
Some sunny day I believe
Good work everyone :lol
Count me in as another voter for Picture that being the best song on the album.
I love Picture That, but for me it's tied in with Deja Vu, Smell The Roses and the title track as best on the album.
I fuckin love this album, you guys have no idea how rare it is for me to find an album to really sink into, swim along it's sounds and think about it even when it's not playing. It's extremely difficult for me to accept new music in that immersive way and that's why I have very few things to listen to compared to most people here. It's an odd and unexplained impairment on my behalf, I get jealous when a thread of people posting their top 10 albums of the year, I think "There were 10 good albums this year?!" heh, I can hardly name 30 albums that I really liked since the year 2000 or so. /rant
So yeah, I'm a happy camper right now ;D
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Highlights (https://youtu.be/ScJrkh5aWt4) from an interview with Roger. Funny; they discuss escapism which is basically what we were talking about Samsara!
The female vocals on the new album are superb, beautifully placed and performed.
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On a different topic. I've been listening to David Gilmore's debut lately, and I actually really like it.
Since the ideas for Pros and Cons were rattling around before The Wall...and the ideas for DG's album were percolating around the same time....I wonder what would have happened if both guys had collaborated their ideas into another Floyd album.
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I'm yet to listen to Gilmour's debut or the one from the eighties, I'm going to soon.
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I enjoy Gilmore's first one from 1978 and About Face has some good stuff on it. Hard to believe he has only released four solo albums outside of Floyd, especially with all the down time between The Wall and The Division Bell and then thereafter.
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Definitely some really good songs on those first two albums. Mihalis and Murder really stand out.
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Just bought tickets for the movie of David Gilmour Live at Pompeii. Never seen a concert in a cinema before but I guess it will be good.
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Definitely some really good songs on those first two albums. Mihalis and Murder really stand out.
The play (or at least they used to) Mihalis on the The Weather Channel during the "On The Eights" segment when they show you the local weather.
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David Gilmour's new Live Album, Live At Pompeii, was released today.
Listening to a select few tracks at work. It's amazing how beautifully his voice has aged, especially compared to Roger's.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnPQNOq8x2s
Run Like Hell from the new Live at Pompeii live album. Pretty bad ass
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I had my doubts about this new touring band, No John Carin, No Rick Wright (RIP). But they sound really good. Everything has more groove to it.
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Almost done watching the Pompeii blu ray concert. Hooked up to my stereo system of course. The visual and audio quality is just...incredible. the mix is so clear and powerful. Great performances too. I highly recommend it.
Sorrow was a highlight...
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Almost done watching the Pompeii blu ray concert. Hooked up to my stereo system of course. The visual and audio quality is just...incredible. the mix is so clear and powerful. Great performances too. I highly recommend it.
Sorrow was a highlight...
Who's singing Rick's parts in Time? And Roger's parts on C-Numb?
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It's hard to imagine this topping the Royal Albert Hall concert from a decade ago, but Gilmour never disappoints. I loved Rattle That Lock and will love seeing those songs performed live. :hat
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Just saw our local record store announce the Gilmour's new album arrival on Facebook. Gonna grab it tomorrow.
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I have this album and waiting for the right time to listen to it all in one sitting. I absolutely adored his Live in Gdansk live album. I'm excited to hear tracks from his new album get the live treatment. It will feel bad missing Rick though. But, I'll always cherish being to listen to my favorite single musician.
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I have this album and waiting for the right time to listen to it all in one sitting. I absolutely adored his Live in Gdansk live album. I'm excited to hear tracks from his new album get the live treatment. It will feel bad missing Rick though. But, I'll always cherish being to listen to my favorite single musician.
Live In Gdansk is my all time favorite live album...
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I have this album and waiting for the right time to listen to it all in one sitting. I absolutely adored his Live in Gdansk live album. I'm excited to hear tracks from his new album get the live treatment. It will feel bad missing Rick though. But, I'll always cherish being to listen to my favorite single musician.
Hear, hear. The original Pompeii concert was so important for my musical development, and Rick was a massive part of that. I got choked up a bit watching the snippets of Gilmour's return there (awesome sunglasses by the way!), and I'm sure he did too, when he remembered that day 45 years before. I don't think there will ever again be events like that first Pompeii concert, those times seem to be over.
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It's hard to imagine this topping the Royal Albert Hall concert from a decade ago, but Gilmour never disappoints. I loved Rattle That Lock and will love seeing those songs performed live. :hat
Fat Old Sun from Royal Albert Hall is probably one of the best live tracks from any PF or PF related release
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I had my doubts about this new touring band, No John Carin...
No Manzanera or whatever his name is either, though they were on the first legs of the tour and have both been with him for many years.
Fat Old Sun from Royal Albert Hall is probably one of the best live tracks from any PF or PF related release
I feel that way about Wots, uh the Deal?
It was recorded at the Pompeii Amphitheatre and was the first public performance at the venue since AD 79.
Holy crap that is an amazing fact.
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Anybody heard Doom Side of the Moon? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMoO8FNbRJA
I think it works surprisingly well... (https://www.musicalypse.net/2017-doom-side-of-the-moon-doom-side-of-the-moon-english/)
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The new Live at Pompeii is amazing! Especially part 2 when it gets dark, the light show and the torches light around the stadium are a one of a kind. I wish he would have chose better back-up singers for Big Gig in the Sky, that dude among the other two ladies is an awkward fit and doesn't do the band justice.
Besides that, the show is flawless and David Gilmour sounds fantastic throughout! I could watch this concert over and over..
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I still have to watch it.
Some of captures I saw looked amazing.
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The new Live at Pompeii is amazing! Especially part 2 when it gets dark, the light show and the torches light around the stadium are a one of a kind. I wish he would have chose better back-up singers for Big Gig in the Sky, that dude among the other two ladies is an awkward fit and doesn't do the band justice.
Besides that, the show is flawless and David Gilmour sounds fantastic throughout! I could watch this concert over and over..
I watched this show at the theater. It started off with the short live at Pompeii documentary before playing the concert itself. The theatrical version omitted most of Gilmour's solo songs, and it features mostly PF songs.
Also, my thoughts exactly on the backup singers... other than that, I am mostly happy with what I saw at the theater.
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Anybody heard Doom Side of the Moon? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMoO8FNbRJA
I think it works surprisingly well... (https://www.musicalypse.net/2017-doom-side-of-the-moon-doom-side-of-the-moon-english/)
That's pretty cool! Wish I could have it on mp3.
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Watched the new Pompeii Blu-ray at a buddy's last night. Pretty awesome, for sure. I didn't care a lot about seeing another live version of some of those Floyd classics; I was more interested in seeing the songs from his last two solo albums. Man alive, that solo in The Blue is beyond amazing. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Anybody heard Doom Side of the Moon? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMoO8FNbRJA
I think it works surprisingly well... (https://www.musicalypse.net/2017-doom-side-of-the-moon-doom-side-of-the-moon-english/)
Not something I'd ever listen to, but pretty cool nonetheless.
Re: Pompeii... David sure knows how to put on a show. A little strange seeing him without Jon Carin but glad Guy Pratt is part of this. Comfortably Numb will never get old to me.
Hot take: I never liked Great Gig in the Sky. I played the shit out of DSotM when I first got it, and that was the only song I ever skipped. The keys are beautiful. I do not like the singing/wailing at all.
Edit, I never cared for Us and Them either, and if eventualyl became a skipped track as well. I recognize it's quality and importance to the whole of the album. I just don't like it.
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Anybody heard Doom Side of the Moon? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMoO8FNbRJA
I think it works surprisingly well... (https://www.musicalypse.net/2017-doom-side-of-the-moon-doom-side-of-the-moon-english/)
Not something I'd ever listen to, but pretty cool nonetheless.
Re: Pompeii... David sure knows how to put on a show. A little strange seeing him without Jon Carin but glad Guy Pratt is part of this. Comfortably Numb will never get old to me.
Hot take: I never liked Great Gig in the Sky. I played the shit out of DSotM when I first got it, and that was the only song I ever skipped. The keys are beautiful. I do not like the singing/wailing at all.
Edit, I never cared for Us and Them either, and if eventualyl became a skipped track as well. I recognize it's quality and importance to the whole of the album. I just don't like it.
It’s like you’re speaking Chinese to me right now :lol
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Haha, that was my thought as well. The Great Gig in the Sky is a gorgeous work of art, and Us and Them is probably one of my 3-4 songs by The Floyd. :biggrin:
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I know I am a bit on an island with those opinions. It's cool.
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I know I am a bit on an island with those opinions. It's cool.
I see what you did there. :P
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Can't sneak anything by you.
I always considered PF one of my favorite 2 bands. But when I stop to think about it, there is not a very high percentage of their material that I truly love, especially when compare to my other favorite bands.
Who's y our avatar? I can't tell.
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Neal Morse (from Morsefest this year).
I know what you mean, regarding Floyd. 15 studio albums and I would say I only truly love 5 of them (Dark Side, WYWH, Animals, The Wall and The Division Bell), and from the first 7 studio albums combined, there are probably only 7-8 songs I would say are Floyd songs I cannot live without. All of of my other top tier favorite bands have much higher levels of consistent greatness. But what works in Floyd's favor is how good those great albums. Their best three albums (Dark Side, WYWH and The Wall) would likely all make my all-time top 10.
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Then there's Momentary Lapse of Reason. It's kind of hit and miss, Learning To FLy and On The Turning Away being the strongest tracks on there. By far!
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AMLoR has some great writing. I think the production and sound is horrible though. Luckily we have DSoT to showcase how good those songs are.
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I can't put A Momentary Lapse... in the great category, but I like it a lot.
Sorrow is the one song where the production lets it down. The live versions are so good that I literally never listen to the studio one.
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Oh yeah! Sorrow is epic on the new Live at Pompeii blu-ray, and on Pulse.
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Pink Floyd will continue with their rereleases on Vinyl with PULSE!
Continuing the Pink Floyd Records vinyl releases is the long-awaited 4LP 'PULSE' set. Originally released in 1995, it has long been unavailable, and (like the original cassette) includes One Of These Days, which wasn't included on the CD version. This re-release of 'PULSE' arrives on 18th May 2018, on heavyweight 180-gram vinyl. The 4LP set includes four different inner sleeves, each inside individual outer sleeves, plus a 52-page hardback photo book, all encased in a thick card slipcase. This 2018 release was remastered from the original tapes by James Guthrie, Joel Plante and Bernie Grundman. https://lnk.to/PulseVinyl
I gotta say, this looks awesome, and I love Pink Floyd, but 120 bucks is just too much. I refused to buy Gilmours Pompeij because of the 60 Euros it costs. But 120?? That's 30 Euros per LP.
I wonder why this is so ridiculously expensive. The studio albums have all had a reasonable price (except for Endless River).
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I have to think it's because it's such a specialty product. Vinyl is retro, hip, and cool all at the same time, so people will pay more. It's Pink Floyd, so people will pay more. It comes with amazing super-deluxe packaging, so people will pay more. Then when it arrives from Amazon, one corner will be bashed in just a little bit, and you'll wrestle with yourself over whether or not it's worth it to deal with getting it replaced.
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That's a LOT of coin. Too much. Gotta pass.
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I hoped the Pompeii vinyl price would go down after a couple of months, but it didn't, not even on Discogs.
I hope it's not the same with this box set. I would love to own this more than Live At Pompeii.
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I hoped the Pompeii vinyl price would go down after a couple of months, but it didn't, not even on Discogs.
I hope it's not the same with this box set. I would love to own this more than Live At Pompeii.
The Floyd has gotten out of hand, and has for some time, in regard to prices on vinyl. Hell, new vinyl is ridiculous in terms of cost. I get the business of it all, but it just...honestly, I don't collect new vinyl because of the cost.
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Pink Floyd will continue with their rereleases on Vinyl with PULSE!
Continuing the Pink Floyd Records vinyl releases is the long-awaited 4LP 'PULSE' set. Originally released in 1995, it has long been unavailable, and (like the original cassette) includes One Of These Days, which wasn't included on the CD version. This re-release of 'PULSE' arrives on 18th May 2018, on heavyweight 180-gram vinyl. The 4LP set includes four different inner sleeves, each inside individual outer sleeves, plus a 52-page hardback photo book, all encased in a thick card slipcase. This 2018 release was remastered from the original tapes by James Guthrie, Joel Plante and Bernie Grundman. https://lnk.to/PulseVinyl
I gotta say, this looks awesome, and I love Pink Floyd, but 120 bucks is just too much. I refused to buy Gilmours Pompeij because of the 60 Euros it costs. But 120?? That's 30 Euros per LP.
I wonder why this is so ridiculously expensive. The studio albums have all had a reasonable price (except for Endless River).
That's a lot but I'm going to pick it up. Now that I've gotten a record player I love listening to vinyl's and PF is one of my favorite bands so I'm going to scoop this up.
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I hoped the Pompeii vinyl price would go down after a couple of months, but it didn't, not even on Discogs.
I hope it's not the same with this box set. I would love to own this more than Live At Pompeii.
The Floyd has gotten out of hand, and has for some time, in regard to prices on vinyl. Hell, new vinyl is ridiculous in terms of cost. I get the business of it all, but it just...honestly, I don't collect new vinyl because of the cost.
For whatever reason, Floyd is ALWAYS expensive. vinyl, CD, Blu-ray, whatever. Almost all their "luxury" sets are steep, but people keep buying them (and they keep releasing them).
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And yet they won't give us a Blu-ray or DVD of Delicate Sound of Thunder. Bastards.
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It'll probably take forever. Look how long it took to get the PULSE DVD released.
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Seeing this pop but has anyone ever listened to the live, uneditied PULSE release? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKL1MVc7Sr0
It's pretty neat to see where the edits are and where the overdubs are, especially the bit cut from the comfortably numb solo.
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There's no description. What's the deal with it? [/Seinfeld]
I have no idea what happened to it, but Delicate Sound of Thunder was easily the most played VHS tape I ever owned. And for 1 part nostalgia, 1 part awesomeness, my favorite live album, and one of the 5 albums I'd take with me should I ever be stranded on that proverbial desert island.
I remember being so excited when Pulse came out, and that cool flashing LED. I never reached the level of DSoT for me though. I do recall being ecstatic when news of the DVD release came out.
It's floating around youtube, but the 1989 Venice show would make a nice DVD as well, which like DSoT will probably never happen.
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I hoped the Pompeii vinyl price would go down after a couple of months, but it didn't, not even on Discogs.
I hope it's not the same with this box set. I would love to own this more than Live At Pompeii.
The Floyd has gotten out of hand, and has for some time, in regard to prices on vinyl. Hell, new vinyl is ridiculous in terms of cost. I get the business of it all, but it just...honestly, I don't collect new vinyl because of the cost.
For whatever reason, Floyd is ALWAYS expensive. vinyl, CD, Blu-ray, whatever. Almost all their "luxury" sets are steep, but people keep buying them (and they keep releasing them).
Well, at least the prices of the normal vinyls (one LP albums) are reasonable. They all cost around 20€. I've even ordered Atom Heart Mother for 17 when it was on sale on Amazon.
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PF has had some issues with live releases. There is also that pro shot Wall show out there that was never released because it's too dark.
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Seeing this pop but has anyone ever listened to the live, uneditied PULSE release? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKL1MVc7Sr0
It's pretty neat to see where the edits are and where the overdubs are, especially the bit cut from the comfortably numb solo.
Assuming that is the original airing, I saw that show when it was aired live on PPV.
To this day, I am still a bit disappointed that the show they recorded from that tour was from a show inside, but oh well.
It'll probably take forever. Look how long it took to get the PULSE DVD released.
I have my doubts as to whether it will be ever get released. I could see the people in charge of the Floyd business releasing it after Gilmour and Mason have passed, to keep the Floyd cash cow going, but that could be many years from now.
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Amazin just dropped the price to 87 I believe for the Pulse live boxset
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Still too much, but better...
Do you guys think Pink Floyd will release the Is There Anybody Out There Album on vinyl as well?
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That would be very cool. I think they might, they had that great cd release years ago that included a really cool picture book.
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I am quite fond of Momentary Lapse.
Despite not having Waters, I think it has some very strong tracks. On the turning away, Learning to fly and One slip are songs I really love.
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And here I thought that the necro-bump might mean something significant. >:(
:)
As for Momentary Lapse, it has a special place in my heart as well, as that is the era of the band that I got into after passing over PF for the longest time. The first two albums I bought were in '91 when I picked up Dark Side of the Moon and Momentary Lapse. For my interests, those were the perfect two albums to start with, as I really like the more accessible later version of the band that Momentary Lapse encapsulates, and Dark Side was just such a commercial smash that it is impossible not to like unless PF just isn't a band that clicks with you at all. Momentary Lapse, The Delicate Sound of Thunder, and then The Division Bell when it was released became my go-to Floyd albums. I still don't have the entire Floyd discography, but I quite enjoy what I do have and am pretty satisfied with it without feeling an urgent need to press too much farther. I'll eventually fill in some of the holes, but no rush.
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My first Floyd purchase was Delicate Sound of Thunder. I knew a couple of the couple classic radio staples, and I figured a live, seemingly greatest hits album would be a safe buy, and I'll admit it was one of the few blind purchases I made where the album cover helped sway me. I was just discovering classic rock at the time, and this blew the door wide open for me. A friend told me to get The Wall, which was a bit of a change in style and sound from most of DSoT, and then I got AMLoR since I found that was where most of the songs on disc 1 were from. I liked the songs on the album quite a bit, and still do. But I heard them on DSoT first, and they always sounded better, fuller, more dynamic on the live album, so while DSoT may still be my favorite live album ever, I can't say I've listened to anything from the AMLoR album in decades.
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The first album I ever remember hearing is A Momentary Lapse of Reason so it holds a special place in my heart. I remember being 5 and playing air guitar to the ending solo of Yet Another Movie.
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Saw Pink Floyd twice on the Momentary Lapse of Reason tour.
Aug 02, 1988 Valle Hovin Stadion Oslo Norway
Jun 12, 1989 Ericsson Globe Arena Stockholm, Sweden
Those were totally amazing shows. I loved the album when it came out and the concerts..... oooh
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You are incredibly lucky. I would've loved to have seen Pink Floyd live at some point.
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You are incredibly lucky. I would've loved to have seen Pink Floyd live at some point.
Yes, those were two of my favorite shows...
Would have loved to see them earlier but I was too young back in the 70-ties...
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You are incredibly lucky. I would've loved to have seen Pink Floyd live at some point.
Yes, those were two of my favorite shows...
Would have loved to see them earlier but I was too young back in the 70-ties...
Dude, be happy with what you have to be happy with!!
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Young lust has been stuck in my head for days. I love that song.
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Young lust has been stuck in my head for days. I love that song.
"I need a dirty woman!" :zydar:
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I've heard that Richard wright was fired by waters during the making of the wall. How can one guy just fire another guy from a band of 4 guys? Anybody know the full story?
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Wright was coked out of his mind for most of the late 70's and was basically useless at that point. He barely played on The Wall, and during the sessions for that album, Waters basically forced him out with the threat that he would scrap the whole album if he didn't agree. Wright needed the money, so he agreed. The irony is that Wright was a salaried employee during the Wall tour and made money, while the remaining three Floyd members lost money on it due to the cost of the tour. No official word was even made and fans had no one that Wright had been ousted until the release of The Final Cut, where Wright's name was nowhere to be found on the album sleeve or liner notes. That is the short version.
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Very interesting. Thanks
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Wright was coked out of his mind for most of the late 70's and was basically useless at that point. He barely played on The Wall, and during the sessions for that album, Waters basically forced him out with the threat that he would scrap the whole album if he didn't agree. Wright needed the money, so he agreed. The irony is that Wright was a salaried employee during the Wall tour and made money, while the remaining three Floyd members lost money on it due to the cost of the tour. No official word was even made and fans had no one that Wright had been ousted until the release of The Final Cut, where Wright's name was nowhere to be found on the album sleeve or liner notes. That is the short version.
Perfectly summarized.
If I remember correctly The Final Cut's linear notes said something the lines of "Album by Roger Waters, performed by Pink Floyd"
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When I talk with people about PF, it always seems to center around the big 4 albums (Dark side to the wall) which is fine but not many people recognize Meddle when I bring it up.
But I just want to proclaim my undying love for Echoes :hefdaddy
I remember the first time I heard it when I randomly stumbled upon the Pompeii video so many years ago. I was just like wow, this is really cool. And something I never even knew about.
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Echoes is a great trip for sure, though I prefer Side One of Meddle.
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Echoes is my all time favorite song. Ever. But Meddle never comes up in my top Floyd Albums lists. Well, at least not in the top 4.
The Wall
Animals
Darkside
WYWH
Division Bell
The Final Cut
Momentary
Meddle
Saucer
And then the rest.
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I know people here often say "You need to give band/album XXX a few spins to really appreciate it and take it all in." I'll give an album one spin, and if I don't like it, I will move on. I am not one to "try" to like an album. That said, as I am a Floyd fan, and Echoes has always been one of my favorite songs of theirs, I feel I have tried harder to like Meddle than just about any other album I've encountered. And after all those listens, I just don't.
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Echoes is one of my favourite songs ever, but I don't like the rest of Meddle at all, yeah.
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I know people here often say "You need to give band/album XXX a few spins to really appreciate it and take it all in." I'll give an album one spin, and if I don't like it, I will move on. I am not one to "try" to like an album. That said, as I am a Floyd fan, and Echoes has always been one of my favorite songs of theirs, I feel I have tried harder to like Meddle than just about any other album I've encountered. And after all those listens, I just don't.
:omg:
I would have missed out on so much great music if I had done it like you! Here's a list of stuff I didn't like at first listen: Endless Sacrifice, Tool, most Rush songs (!), Gentle Giant, VdGG, most Phil Collins solo stuff (!), The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, almost everything King Crimson, Tool, Coldplay's later albums, early Pink Floyd stuff, Tool.
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When I talk with people about PF, it always seems to center around the big 4 albums (Dark side to the wall) which is fine but not many people recognize Meddle when I bring it up.
But I just want to proclaim my undying love for Echoes :hefdaddy
I remember the first time I heard it when I randomly stumbled upon the Pompeii video so many years ago. I was just like wow, this is really cool. And something I never even knew about.
That's how I feel about Atom Heart Mother. I love Echoes, and Meddle (Fearless is actually my favorite song on the record) but AHM is where I felt the most... surprised?
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Does anybody know, when they were making Division Bell whether or not they knew that it was going to be their last album (not counting endless river)?
Was there any attempt at starting a new album at all later in the 90's or early 2000's?
And is Endless river any good?
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Oh dude....if I listened to albums like that, I would have turned Ride the Lightning into a frisbee.
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Does anybody know, when they were making Division Bell whether or not they knew that it was going to be their last album (not counting endless river)?
I don't believe so.
Was there any attempt at starting a new album at all later in the 90's or early 2000's?
Not that I am aware of.
And is Endless river any good?
It is good, yes. Is it great? I would say no, but it is good, even very good at times. It is a nice, laid back listen from start to finish.
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When I talk with people about PF, it always seems to center around the big 4 albums (Dark side to the wall) which is fine but not many people recognize Meddle when I bring it up.
But I just want to proclaim my undying love for Echoes :hefdaddy
I remember the first time I heard it when I randomly stumbled upon the Pompeii video so many years ago. I was just like wow, this is really cool. And something I never even knew about.
Oh My God....I took shrooms one time and put on A Saucerful of Secrets. That was the shit. Especially when it got to the ending.
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Ha ha, Pink Floyd and chemicals, the winning combination. I did some blotter one time and put on Meddle. By time I got to "Echoes" I was on another planet. I wonder now if that's why I can still appreciate the song, but somehow it doesn't quite thrill me like it used to. A lot of times I'll put it on and remember that trip, and maybe psyche myself out by thinking that "it could be better", meaning the experience, not the song itself. Maybe I kinda ruined it for myself, 'cause I'm pretty sure I'll never do some of the stuff I did back in the 80's ever again.
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I kinda have that problem with 2112 (the song) and Xanadu. They're never as cool as they were when frying...which I haven't done for decades. And probably won't again.
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I kinda have that problem with 2112 (the song) and Xanadu. They're never as cool as they were when frying...which I haven't done for decades. And probably won't again.
Get the new 5.1 version.
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I think I'm weird. I've never been a big chemical guy, but when I smoked the most weed - college - I could only really tolerate the Dead when high. I have a hard time focusing and listening when I'm out of my tree. Live music is no better; I like to have a couple drinks before a show, but I haven't been shitfaced for a concert since... I can't tell you when.
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Listening to Animals a lot today.
I truly and utterly love Dogs and Pigs (three different ones). Sheep I can take it or leave it and Pigs on a wing 1 and 2 are just ok I guess.
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The "Lord is my shepherd" part of Sheep is about the only thing keeping that album short of perfection.
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No official word was even made and fans had no one that Wright had been ousted until the release of The Final Cut, where Wright's name was nowhere to be found on the album sleeve or liner notes. That is the short version.
Didn't it become public knowledge a little earlier when Wright didn't attend the premiere of The Wall film?
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No official word was even made and fans had no one that Wright had been ousted until the release of The Final Cut, where Wright's name was nowhere to be found on the album sleeve or liner notes. That is the short version.
Didn't it become public knowledge a little earlier when Wright didn't attend the premiere of The Wall film?
Hmmm, I don't remember that, but you might be right. I'd have to dig up my Floyd books, dust them up and re-read them again to find that out. :lol
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Listening to Animals a lot today.
I truly and utterly love Dogs and Pigs (three different ones). Sheep I can take it or leave it and Pigs on a wing 1 and 2 are just ok I guess.
That's funny, I did the same thing yesterday.
Well Pigs On A Wing are just intro and outro, but I think they do a good job as such. Sure, it's nothing special, just the usual Waters-G-Major acoustic guitar stuff, but as I said... just intro and outro...
I agree on Dogs as the best song of the album.
I had to check which part you guys meant by the Lord is my shepherd part... I didn't even realize the vocoder voice part had "real" lyrics, thanks!! But I honestly don't know what's wrong with that part ???
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I think Roger is one of the few people who can make such an ordinary chord progression so beautiful, both intro and outro to Animals are gorgeous. And the three songs themselves are equally great. I could never in my life pick the favorite one.
On a side note, saw Roger Waters in Budapest several weeks ago and he delivered a touching show that wasn't visually as spectacular as The Wall, but still really cool. I stood in the front row and managed to get a high five from him, which was like getting a high five from a God. :lol
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I think Roger is one of the few people who can make such an ordinary chord progression so beautiful, both intro and outro to Animals are gorgeous. And the three songs themselves are equally great. I could never in my life pick the favorite one.
On a side note, saw Roger Waters in Budapest several weeks ago and he delivered a touching show that wasn't visually as spectacular as The Wall, but still really cool. I stood in the front row and managed to get a high five from him, which was like getting a high five from a God. :lol
Please don't say more. Roger played one hour from here (Vienna). And I didn't go because no one wanted to go with me and I didn't want to spend 100€ to spend an evening alone.
BUUUUUT
I have tickets for Nick Mason's Saucerful Of Secrets in September in Leipzig woooooh
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No official word was even made and fans had no one that Wright had been ousted until the release of The Final Cut, where Wright's name was nowhere to be found on the album sleeve or liner notes. That is the short version.
Didn't it become public knowledge a little earlier when Wright didn't attend the premiere of The Wall film?
Word didn’t spread back then like it does today. At that time, the reason for his absence could’ve been anything.
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I had to check which part you guys meant by the Lord is my shepherd part... I didn't even realize the vocoder voice part had "real" lyrics, thanks!! But I honestly don't know what's wrong with that part ???
That's the problem (for me anyway). There are words being spoken and they are damn near impossible to understand, as evidenced by your not even realizing they where actual lyrics. Not a big fan of vocoders either.
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Wait... how does one possess the Animals album and not realize that the "23rd Psalm" section is actual words? You can easily understand at least half of it, which would prompt most people to pick up the sleeve and read the lyrics to get whatever bits they didn't catch. If you downloaded it, wouldn't you still want to check out the lyrics online or something? I think Roger Waters is/was a collosal asshole, but I won't deny that his lyrics are amazing.
Also, it's obviously satire, from the sheep's point of view, and IMO pretty damned powerful. It's actually open mockery. What does one do with ultimate power over another life form? And this is coming from a Christian.
And finally, that section is what leads into the final verse, the sheep's "revolt". It's a very important part of the piece.
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Disregarding most of that post since it doesn't apply to me, I personally wish those lyrics, outstanding as they are, were sung and not all vocoder'ed. I know they need to sound different because of the narrative of the song, but I just wish they were more intelligible to my ears. I can't "easily understand" them.
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Orbert, you nailed it. :tup :tup
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I saw Roger Waters live in Helsinki this week and it was the best show I've ever seen :hefdaddy
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I saw Roger Waters live in Helsinki this week and it was the best show I've ever seen :hefdaddy
:tup :tup
Sidebar:
This forum needs a "like" button for posts like this.
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bump.
Nick Mason's Saucerful of Secrets tour in North America March/April 2019
I can't see missing the Minneapolis show April 3rd :tup
https://www.thesaucerfulofsecrets.com/?fbclid=IwAR1CQrHsd7Iyh0C1INCshAlLb98Wj840VhP-dSKGcu3Gi_GC0n6YgAaQzM0
03/12/2019 Queen Elizabeth Theatre, Vancouver
03/13/2019 The Paramount, Seattleon
03/15/2019 The Masonic, San Francisco
03/16/2019 The Wiltern, Los Angeles
03/19/2019 Comerica Theatre, Phoenix
03/21/2019 Paramount Theatre, Denver
03/24/2019 Pavilion At Toyota Music Factory, Dallas
03/25/2019 Jones Hall, Houston
03/27/2019 The Fillmore At The Jackie Gleeson, Miami Beach
03/29/2019 Tabernacle, Atlanta
03/31/2019 Stifel Theatre, St Louis
04/01/2019 Riverside Theater, Milwaukee
04/03/2019 Orpheum Theatre, Minneapolis
04/04/2019 Chicago Theatre, Chicago
04/05/2019 The Old National Theatre, Indianapolis
04/07/2019 Palace Theatre, Columbus
04/08/2019 Civic Center, Akron
04/09/2019 The Fillmore, Detroit
04/11/2019 Shea’s Performing Arts Center, Buffalo
04/12/2019 Oakdale Theatre, Wallingford
04/13/2019 Orpheum Theatre, Boston
04/15/2019 Place des Arts, Montreal
04/16/2019 Sony Centre For The Performing Arts, Toronto
04/18/2019 Beacon Theatre, New York
04/22/2019 DAR Constitution Hall, Washington
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Cool. Basically all Floyd stuff?
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Ohhh a Seattle show, and at the Paramount, which is a great venue (aside from it being downtown). Might have to go to this.
Uhhh what the hell is up with that website?
https://apnews.com/d3471b09542040f2ac035037074065ae
...don’t expect “Comfortably Numb” or “Another Brick in the Wall.”
Mason instead will be digging deep into the Pink Floyd archives to offer tunes not heard live in America for a long time, if ever. Nick Mason’s Saucerful of Secrets will be jamming to pre-“Dark Side of the Moon” material.
Some of the songs they play live include “See Emily Play,” ″Arnold Layne,” The Nile Song,” ″Bike,” ″Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun” and “Obscured by Clouds.
“The world is absolutely stuffed with Pink Floyd tribute bands, let alone Roger and David. So I think it’s very important to say, ‘This is not version No. 297. This is something a bit weird and a bit different.’”
Well... maybe not.
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:obscuredbyclouds:
That's all I came to post.
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I've seen this show in Leipzig, it was very cool! But only if you're into the pre-Dark Side stuff. My dad is a fan of the more bombastic, well-known PF sound and less of the weird, experimental stuff. He liked it, but said it was nothing compared to David's and Roger's shows which we went to see together.
The coolest thing ever happened though. Hope you are able to see this post!
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10212528510624825&set=pb.1144895731.-2207520000.1541009254.&type=3&theater
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I am a casual fan of that material at best, and that plus Nick on drums might not be enough of a draw for me to go. Though Guy Pratt is my favorite bass player ever. Never heard of the other chaps.
The coolest thing ever happened though. Hope you are able to see this post!
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So that rules out TAC and myself.
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Maybe it works now:
(https://i.imgur.com/Nx1yy15.jpg)
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Michael Caine looks good. Love the "bomber" in the back too.
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So that rules out TAC and myself.
Hah!
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I need to be at the LA show. I absolutely love the the older PF material!
Plus... Guy Pratt is awesome on so many levels.
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I love Nicky like I love a benevolent uncle, but I can't help getting this mental image ...
(https://i.imgur.com/Bt9ZbK9.jpg) (https://imgur.com/Bt9ZbK9)
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Plus... Guy Pratt is awesome on so many levels.
I'd honestly be more likely to go if they only played Arnold Layne and then Guy did his comedy routine.
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Plus... Guy Pratt is awesome on so many levels.
I'd honestly be more likely to go if they only played Arnold Layne and then Guy did his comedy routine.
YES!
And then a signing :lol
I've been told he is genuinely one of the nicest guys on the planet. My buddy met him at NAMM a few years ago. Guy was selling his book (My Bass and Other Animals) , and my buddy wanted to buy it but only had a $100 bill on him, and Guy didn't have change. Guy actually started going around the show floor looking for someone to who could break the bill just to give him change.
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This is a typical setlist from the Wiki page. I don't know if there will be any changes for this tour.
"Interstellar Overdrive" (abridged)
"Astronomy Domine"
"Lucifer Sam"
"Fearless"
"Obscured by Clouds / When You're In"
"Arnold Layne"
"Vegetable Man" (added September 2018)
"Medley: If (excerpt)" / "Atom Heart Mother (excerpt)" / "If (reprise)" (added September 2018)
"The Nile Song"
"Green Is the Colour"
"Let There Be More Light"
"Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun"
"See Emily Play"
"Bike"
"One of These Days"
Encore:
"A Saucerful of Secrets"
"Point Me at the Sky"
I'll go on record as saying I **LOVE** this setlist and I only wish I would have heard about this sooner. Apparently the tickets for the Seattle show went on sale back in May, and I've never even heard about this project until just now. Sucks that the only seats that are left will most likely be in the back of the balcony....if there are any left at all.
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I've been told he is genuinely one of the nicest guys on the planet. My buddy met him at NAMM a few years ago. Guy was selling his book (My Bass and Other Animals) , and my buddy wanted to buy it but only had a $100 bill on him, and Guy didn't have change. Guy actually started going around the show floor looking for someone to who could break the bill just to give him change.
Fun story. He does seem like the most cheeky guy ever, which quite the contrast from the more staid musicians who have sought out his services (Gilmour, Brian Ferry, Robert Palmer).
Re: Seattle show. The Paramount's site says tix go on sale in a couple days, so we might be seeing different info. That setlist is better than I imagined it being without giving it much thought. There are still 4-5 songs on there if I heard them out of context I wouldn't identify them as PF songs.
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Remember... the dates aren't written out in Freedom Units.
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Remember... the dates aren't written out in Freedom Units.
That was it. That never ceases to mess with my head. :facepalm: :loser:
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Had no idea what a "Freedom Unit" was, was too embarrassed to ask. I get it now. And I feel ya JD. I would have made the same mistake but I went to the Paramount's own website.
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This is a typical setlist from the Wiki page. I don't know if there will be any changes for this tour.
"Interstellar Overdrive" (abridged)
"Astronomy Domine"
"Lucifer Sam"
"Fearless"
"Obscured by Clouds / When You're In"
"Arnold Layne"
"Vegetable Man" (added September 2018)
"Medley: If (excerpt)" / "Atom Heart Mother (excerpt)" / "If (reprise)" (added September 2018)
"The Nile Song"
"Green Is the Colour"
"Let There Be More Light"
"Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun"
"See Emily Play"
"Bike"
"One of These Days"
Encore:
"A Saucerful of Secrets"
"Point Me at the Sky"
If I recall correctly, this was pretty much the setlist from my concert. I was totally blown away when Nick's drums kicked in on Interstellar Overdrive.
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Because I was only looking for a single seat, I managed to get a pretty sweet seat. Row F on the main floor. My ticket is purchased.
And as a bonus, the concert happens the night before Emerald City Comic Con....and the Paramount is literally right next door to the Convention Center where the Con takes place....AAAANNNDDD my wife and I managed to get the hotel to extend our stay to Wednesday night, so all I have to do is walk to my hotel after the show and then wake up and go to Comic Con.
That's going to be an AWESOME weekend.
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Fuck
https://store.rhino.co.uk/eu/the-later-years-boxset.html?fbclid=IwAR1GpNki8RM10xYDZISMSFvXa9dezaClnBsNFsqljemXe4xxZeB-qDh1GQk
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So two things: one, assuming that they are (at least for the time being) skipping the "Middle Years", since the "Early Years" ended around Obscured By Clouds? Or do the "Immersion" box sets cover that period?
Two, not that I would spend $500 on this alone, but does the Pulse material include the two soundscapes that were available only on cassette tape?
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Below is the complete breakdown. I don't think it will since the Pulse show is 145 mins on this tracklist and on the DVD that was released a while back.
CDs
5 x CDs, contained in their own 60-page, hardback book, containing a guide to all content, tracklistings, exhaustive content detail and credits.
CD 1 ‘A Momentary Lapse of Reason’ Updated & Remixed 51 mins
CD 2 & 3 ‘Delicate Sound Of Thunder’ Remixed 140 mins
CD 4 Live Recordings, 1987 & 1994 Unreleased Studio Recordings 65 mins
CD 5 Knebworth Concert 1990 57 mins
Blu-rays
6 x Blu-rays, each contained in a gatefold wallet with dedicated cover art, including tracklistings and music publishing credits. Discs contained in protective plastic sleeves inside wallet.
Blu-ray 1 Surround & Hi-res Audio Mixes 152 mins
Blu-ray 2 ‘Delicate Sound Of Thunder’ Restored & Remixed 120 mins
Blu-ray 3 ‘Pulse’ Restored & Re-edited 145 mins
Blu-ray 4 Venice Concert 1989 & Knebworth Concert 1990 147 mins Blu-ray 5 Unreleased Live Films Music Videos & Concert Screen Films 154 mins
Blu-ray 6 Documentaries & Unreleased Material 122 mins
DVD
5 x DVDs (duplicating the content of Blu-rays 2-6 above), each contained in a gatefold wallet with dedicated cover art, including tracklistings and music publishing credits.
7” Singles
2 x 7” vinyl singles in brand-new picture sleeves, featuring ‘Arnold Layne’ performed live by Pink Floyd at the Syd Barrett Tribute concert, 2007 and Lost For Words from the Pulse tour rehearsals at Earl’s Court.
Photo Book
60-page hard backed book of photos designed by Aubrey Powell of Hipgnosis and Peter Curzon of StormStudios, including many previously unseen images.
Replica Tour Programmes and Lyric Book
A newly-created set of reproduction tour programmes (Pink Floyd World Tour 1987/1988, Pink Floyd Live 1989, Pink Floyd European Tour 1994), plus a brand new Lyrics Book, designed by Aubrey Powell of Hipgnosis and Peter Curzon of StormStudios.
Memorabilia
A collection of reproduction memorabilia including tour passes, stickers and posters, all printed to replicate the originals, and contained in a prestige card envelope.
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The Venice and Knebworth shows are exciting, as well as a the restored Delicate Sound of Thunda!
Oh and unreleased studio recordings from the Momentary Lapse and Division Bell sessions?!?!?
Too bad I'm a broke ass bitch
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Blu-ray 2 ‘Delicate Sound Of Thunder’ Restored & Remixed 120 mins
:o :caffeine: :metal :hat :hefdaddy :millahhhh
This has always been my favorite concert video ever since I first got it on VHS decades ago. And the one I was certain was never going to make it on DVD, to say nothing of BD.
That Venice show is pretty neat from a visual standpoint based on the location.
I wish they would blow up these ridiculous box sets and release the items as stand alone. How many of us who can't buy the whole set would spend $100+ on individual items of our choice?
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They did that with the Early Years box set, though there were a few items that were only available in the complete set.
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Wait...
Y NO DIVISION BELL?
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They did that with the Early Years box set, though there were a few items that were only available in the complete set.
Ah, I didn't really check that out as their "Early Years" don't interest me much.
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As much as I want Delicate Sound of Thunder on DVD or Blu-ray, I ain't paying all that money for that box set just for that (and most of the rest either doesn't interest me or is something I will watch/listen to once and never again). Hard pass at that price.
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Wait...
Y NO DIVISION BELL?
Both Division Bell and Endless River are on DVD/Blu-Ray disc 1.
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Shit this is expensive, however my birthday is a few weeks away and I love momentary and divinsion bell Floyd.
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Yeah, very expensive. Too rich for my blood :P
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Wait...
Y NO DIVISION BELL?
Both Division Bell and Endless River are on DVD/Blu-Ray disc 1.
WTF no CD release? Not to rage but that is so GD annoying. Not specific to this set but in general, putting out such a mammoth package as this and releasing an album NOT in standard CD format? Seriously.
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That seems to be a trend among some older bands. Not all, but definitely some. They put out these huge packages that cost hundreds and don't release a smaller version or just the video or just the music. Not everybody has shitloads of money to spend on these packages, and it seems like they're missing an opportunity. I've love to have upgraded versions of a lot of my media, but a little bit at a time as I can afford it.
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Some of the new mixes are now out officially;
Sorrow https://youtu.be/l_LbAz9Dn_w
One Slip https://youtu.be/pA26asdVH1E
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I think I'm going bite the bullet and order this.
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Some live videos from DSoT for this new release up on YouTube too.
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Man does this set look awesome, but $350 is not something I could justify dropping.
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Just looked up the DSoT mixes and the footage looks awesome
Definitely gonna buy this.
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Those videos manage to look so 80s, and so timeless, at the same time.
I love how Guy Pratt looks so out of place on stage with PF, but was hand-picked by David and has been playing with him (in PF and solo) for decades.
A couple YT comments said there were changes to to some of the video shows. I thought they just remixed the audio. Can anyone confirm?
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Yea so when I looked at the video it's apparently re edited from the raw footage:
https://youtu.be/qvOXcOcsayg
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Well damn. That doesn't change the fact that there is no way in hell I am buying this. But I am a lot more intrigued than before. That VHS tape was probably my most watched video of any sort for a good stretch of 6-8 years. Back then I probably knew every single shot, it would be strange to see a new version.
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The VHS is the first video I remember watching and I watched it over and over so I'm excited to see this. I wonder how pulse will look. I think that was also re-edited. If that's true then there will be three edits of pulse.
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Really enjoying the podcasts with David Gilmour, they are very insightful.
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They are rerereleasing Pulse?
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Yes they are. I'm curious if it'll be re-edited too.
Didn't know there were podcasts, going to look that up now.
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I voted DSOTM, WYWH and... The Final Cut. I know it's not a popular opinion, but it really is Floyd's greatest album, and a stunning achievement. I'm totally happy with the fact it's just me who thinks this.
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You're not, it's up there for me as well. People talk about the big four of Floyd albums, but for me, it's the big five.
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I think The Final Cut is a fantastic album. Not for everyday. But for some moments it's just magical.
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The final cut is great, better than animals which is entirely overrated.
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Animals is "overrated" in the sense that (IMO) it isn't close to as good as Dark Side, Wish You Were Here or The Wall, but it is a still a damn fine record, and part of what was the greatest 4-album run of the 70's. :hat
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You guys are all nuts. Animals is the best Pink Floyd album of all. It was the peak of their ability to combine concept, songwriting, and playing. It sounds fucking amazing and doesn't have an army of session guys playing on it. It's just the four of them.
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You guys are all nuts. Animals is the best Pink Floyd album of all. It was the peak of their ability to combine concept, songwriting, and playing. It sounds fucking amazing and doesn't have an army of session guys playing on it. It's just the four of them.
It is a fantastic record, don't get me wrong. I just love all of the others from that 4-album run more. If I loved Pigs as much as I love Dogs and Sheep, it might be more of a photo finish for me.
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I think The Final Cut is a fantastic album. Not for everyday. But for some moments it's just magical.
Yes it is.
To me, Pink Floyd is all about two albums...
Wish You Were Here and Animals.
But I do love The Final Cut.
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I think the concept of Animals is cool but the album is dense, wordy and largely one-dimensional. On it's own it's not a bad album, no, but plopped between DSoTM, WYWH, and The Wall it's clearly the weakest album.
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Final Cut is the greatest Roger Waters solo album ft: David Gilmour on 2 songs :lol
Semi serious. I love Final Cut.
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You guys are all nuts. Animals is the best Pink Floyd album of all. It was the peak of their ability to combine concept, songwriting, and playing. It sounds fucking amazing and doesn't have an army of session guys playing on it. It's just the four of them.
This is the only take on the last page that matters. :tup :tup
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I picked up the Later Years box set on Saturday from a local indie music shop in Sydney.
Yes it was a lot of money to drop, but the overall quality of the contents is superb.
I really love the attention to detail, most significantly the discs are housed in cardboard wallets, but come with mini-lp anti static sleeves
to project them from scuffing.
So far I have only listening to the surround mixes of AMLOR and DB, both sounds great.
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:tup that's awesome, I can't wait to get mine.
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The clips I've seen on YT of the DSoT remix/recut look amazing! I would probably shell out more money for that CD, and that BluRay, than for any other CD/video I can think of or even imagine. But I cannot remotely justify the cost of that whole box set.
Just looked again at what is part of the set. Nice to see the 1989 Venice video is included.
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https://www.axs.com/roger-waters-announces-2020-tour-dates-for-this-is-not-a-drill-138819
“This tour will be part of a global movement by people who are concerned by others to affect the change that is necessary,” Waters said in the video.
Silly me, all this time I've been going to a concerts to listen to music.
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I'll have to check this tour out, looks like the only place that is close is raleigh. I'll have to pick up a ticket.
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Tacoma Dome. Blech that is a horrible venue and takes forever to get to, but it is on a Saturday so I can make that work. I loved The Wall show but that is one of my favorite albums of all time. I thought once I saw that, I didn't need to see Roger play again because nothing could possibly top that, and skipped the last tour. Any ticket over $100 I really have to think about, which even nosebleeds are going to be for this show.
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This doesn't bother me, per se, but it's sort of problematic. I missed "The Wall" - one of the very few concert regrets in my life (one of only two, really), so I would like to see Roger at some point. I do not want to participate in his brand of "activism", so maybe not this tour. But how many are left? And if he does play to sold out arenas/stadia, to people like me that don't want to be part of the extra-musical activities, will he claim some sort of political victory?
Once you factor in the money aspect, I will likely pass once again.
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https://www.axs.com/roger-waters-announces-2020-tour-dates-for-this-is-not-a-drill-138819
“This tour will be part of a global movement by people who are concerned by others to affect the change that is necessary,” Waters said in the video.
Silly me, all this time I've been going to a concerts to listen to music.
And yet no matter how clear he makes this to everybody, there will still be people who storm out in a huff and complain about it afterward. And, ya know, it's not like his music doesn't really hammer his point of view home. "Wah, I thought Pigs was just about a lazy day at home on the farm. Why's he gotta make everything so darn political?"
Myself, I'm fascinated by what he's going to do. Staging in the round is so fundamentally different than anything he or they have done in the past I have no idea what to expect. I think it's possible he just comes out with an acoustic guitar and does the singer-songwriter bit. It might also be some completely new mindblowing show. Christ, last time he had Battersea Power Station pop out in the middle of the audience, FFS. I'm pretty curious.
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I agree.
I understand that there are some people who "just like his music" and want something like a regular concert, but I would think that the vast majority of people know full well what Roger is all about. But I would be wrong.
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All true, but I feel there is a subtlety that has been lost over the years. He went from being a brilliant wordsmith to a blunt sledgehammer.
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Yeah, but we live in an age when subtlety gets you nowhere. If you're not blunt and slamming the point home, no one's listening. And no one's listening most of the time anyway. There are people who've been listening to Animals for years and have no idea that it's socio-political commentary. The words may sound cool, but they mean nothing to them.
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Just scored a floor seat. I'm shocked because I tried to buy a ticket yesterday and ticket master was not working on my phone or browser. Figured i was fucked and its be sold out but I checked today and the seats where still available.
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There are people who've been listening to Animals for years and have no idea that it's socio-political commentary. The words may sound cool, but they mean nothing to them.
That was me in 1991. "Ha ha, charade you are!" Damn, that sounds awesome, I am going to start saying that randomly. I loved the music, I loved how the words sounded, I didn't know who "Hey you, Whitehouse" was. The actual White House? Years later I dove in to the lyrics, got an understanding of what they meant and what Roger was trying to say. Did it affect how I felt about the music? Not really. Point is, I was allowed to come to those conclusions on my own, and appreciate the music and the lyrics as I chose to. I feel that art has been lost.
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No argument here.
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Nick Mason is coming to my city in June and I will definitely go to see him. It should be cool to see a group of musicians performing the underrated early Floyd stuff. Did anyone see the show? What was it like?
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Nick Mason is coming to my city in June and I will definitely go to see him. It should be cool to see a group of musicians performing the underrated early Floyd stuff. Did anyone see the show? What was it like?
I really enjoyed it. Might well see it again in a few months. It's not the mindblowing spectacle you get from Waters/Gilmour/Floyd, but it's still a lot of fun and some great music. It actually feels like a modern recreation of a sixties show, with all the vintage-looking psychedelic trappings.
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Nick Mason is coming to my city in June and I will definitely go to see him. It should be cool to see a group of musicians performing the underrated early Floyd stuff. Did anyone see the show? What was it like?
I really enjoyed it. Might well see it again in a few months. It's not the mindblowing spectacle you get from Waters/Gilmour/Floyd, but it's still a lot of fun and some great music. It actually feels like a modern recreation of a sixties show, with all the vintage-looking psychedelic trappings.
It depends on how much you love the older stuff. I myself was over the moon about the show, and I actually preferred this to any sort of actual PF reunion.
I'm serious. It was at a decent sized theater, it was intimate, we got to hear stuff live that we NEVER hear...nothing but win. A PF reunion would be stadiums, maybe a kick ass spectacle, but the players would be ants to most, they would trot out the same damn songs we've heard a kajillion times. Yes, there would be cool parts of it, and I would go if it happened....maybe....depending of if I had to take out a 2nd mortgage to see it or not... But I *prefered* the Nick Mason version.
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I heard good things about it, and am slightly regretting not going, despite not loving that era of Floyd. By all accounts it sounds like it is a great show. I am happy it has proven to be a success.
Just saw a live album is being released for this tour in April, cool I might have to check that out.
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The Gilmour family is doing a live Facebook feed right now. The official Pink Floyd page has the link to Polly Samson's feed (Dave's wife)
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They've been pretty active lately. Part of it is her pimping her book.
The band has also been putting whole concerts up on their YT channel, I think Pulse was the last one. I did not know the re-edited that one as well for the Later Years set.
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Guy Pratt has a new YouTube channel and has been posting stories, bass licks, and humor in his inimitable style.
Things I learned today:
1) They cut out his bass spot in the reissue of Delicate Sound of Thunder from The Later Years boxset. :tdwn
2) The Domine in Astronomy Domine is pronounced Dom-i-nee, not Do-Mine, as I have always been saying it.
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Guy Pratt has a new YouTube channel and has been posting stories, bass licks, and humor in his inimitable style.
Things I learned today:
1) They cut out his bass spot in the reissue of Delicate Sound of Thunder from The Later Years boxset. :tdwn
2) The Domine in Astronomy Domine is pronounced Dom-i-nee, not Do-Mine, as I have always been saying it.
His book biography is hilarious and very open. Definitely check it out if you haven't. Finishing his book is/was one of my "covid" activities :lol
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I've read it twice. It is indeed glorious.
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I gotta get his book, I've never read it before. Checking out his channel now.
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I wasn't always a fan of the way he sang Run Like Hell live on the last two Floyd tours, but Pratt was a helluva bass player, and always looked like he was having a blast on stage. I think of him as an honorary Floyd member, like Jon Carin.
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he said he's doing Toy Matinee / Last Plane Out next! I'm so stoked for that
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My buddy met Guy at NAMM a few years back. Bought a copy of his book... and only had a $100 bill.... Guy didn't have change for it, and instead of telling my buddy to GTFO and come back with change, he walked around with my buddy for like 10 min trying to find someone to break the 100 for him.
(Lets just ignore the fact that I had just bought my buddy a copy of the book for Christmas but hadn't given it to him yet :lol - That's how I wound up with my own copy... and it is fan fucking tastic)
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I wasn't always a fan of the way he sang Run Like Hell live on the last two Floyd tours, but Pratt was a helluva bass player, and always looked like he was having a blast on stage.
I didn't know Floyd well when I got DSoT. I got to Run Like Hell and I thought "Who is belting out those vocals?" Then I got the VHS tape, and was all "Whoa, it's the tiny bass player." I like how he gave that part a little more balls. And since David auditioned him on his vocals, knowing he could play the bass parts just fine, I will defer to the master on how he wanted those vocals sung. Guy has certainbly been blessed with playing with a multitude of artists, and seems to have made the most of every opportunity, and enjoyed it every step of the way.
I think of him as an honorary Floyd member, like Jon Carin.
Yep. Guy's played with Floyd on their two major tours Post Roger, one album, and been with David on essentially every tour and major performance that I am aware of back to '87*, and Carin has played with Floyd, both David solo and Roger solo for years, and played with them at the Live8 show.
*and married the keyboardist's daughter
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New David Gilmour song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwI1RmYaVB0
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Sweet, I'll give it a listen a little later.
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Nice little tune.
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I really liked the acoustic guitar passage during the last minute.
I hope Gilmour releases another album. I also hope he'll tour it, but I'll understand if he won't. Honestly I just would like more new music from him. On an Island was in 2006, Rattle That Lock was in 2015, maybe the new album will happen a little sooner than 9 years after the previous one? Anyway, I'll definitely buy it instantly.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5KC1jVvZpo&t=29s
So you are playing your wine glasses in the street, and this old dude comes up to you and asks you if you want to play with him on stage that night, and you aren't sure, but then he says he'll pay you, and suddenly you are intrigued...
Later... the old guy thinks "Hey, I should incorporate this in to my show. Hey guys, c'mere, you're gonna learn something new..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gyXqx_5to8
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That was cool! :tup
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https://www.loudersound.com/news/pink-floyds-delicate-sound-of-thunder-restored-re-edited-and-remixed-for-new-home-release
Pink Floyd’s concert film Delicate Sound Of Thunder is all set for a home reissue in November – a month after the restored, re-edited and remixed version hits cinemas around the world.
20 year old Cool Chris says it is about goddamn time. DSoT is my most watched VHS tape ever, my most watched concert video ever, my most listened to album ever, and possibly my most viewed film of any type ever.
Nick's A Saucerful of Secrets video/CD is being released tomorrow too. From clips I've seen, it is beautiful. Roger's show is set to be released next month as well.
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Those sets look awesome. At some point I'll have to bring up 250€ for the three live vinyl boxsets Gilmour has released in the last years (Pompeij, PULSE, Delicate Sound). They are expensive, but all Pink Floyd vinyl rereleases of the studio albums were stunning. And I love the new cover of Delicate Sound.
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I have the Pulse vinyl set and I highly recommend it. Its remixed for release and is the best sounding record I own.
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https://www.loudersound.com/news/pink-floyds-delicate-sound-of-thunder-restored-re-edited-and-remixed-for-new-home-release
Pink Floyd’s concert film Delicate Sound Of Thunder is all set for a home reissue in November – a month after the restored, re-edited and remixed version hits cinemas around the world.
20 year old Cool Chris says it is about goddamn time. DSoT is my most watched VHS tape ever, my most watched concert video ever, my most listened to album ever, and possibly my most viewed film of any type ever.
:jawdrop:
that just got added to the birthday/christmas wishlist!
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I have the Pulse vinyl set and I highly recommend it. Its remixed for release and is the best sounding record I own.
Wow, quite a statement! Maybe I should invest the 100 bucks...
NO!!! I will not buy this right now!!! I have spent TOO MUCH money on vinyl recently :lol
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Well it's nice wen you do get it. My only complaint is that the artwork on the sleeves is not upscaled for the vinyl. It's hard to explain but if you look at the sleeves below you'll notice that the image doesn't cover the whole sleeve.
(https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/1/0314/30/pink-floyd-pulse-lp-box-set-vinyl-nm_1_783e4c8f0b4168c0ffd807e7df4b8d16.jpg)
The hardcover linear notes are a nice touch as well.
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Well it's nice wen you do get it. My only complaint is that the artwork on the sleeves is not upscaled for the vinyl. It's hard to explain but if you look at the sleeves below you'll notice that the image doesn't cover the whole sleeve.
(https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/1/0314/30/pink-floyd-pulse-lp-box-set-vinyl-nm_1_783e4c8f0b4168c0ffd807e7df4b8d16.jpg)
The hardcover linear notes are a nice touch as well.
Could you re-upload that image? I only see a blue square with a question mark in it...
#edit:
I looked up the original vinyl release, and I can't really find any differences?
Original release https://www.discogs.com/de/Pink-Floyd-Pulse/release/647117
Re-release https://www.discogs.com/de/Pink-Floyd-Pulse/release/12004382
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Nick's A Saucerful of Secrets video/CD is being released tomorrow too. From clips I've seen, it is beautiful.
I got my pre-order in the mail last week. Haven't watched the video yet, but the CD was really cool to listen to!
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Sorry I meant I wish that had done some work on the sleeves to make the resolution of them better. They look grainy when they are that large. I'll see if I can find a better pic.
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https://www.loudersound.com/news/pink-floyds-delicate-sound-of-thunder-restored-re-edited-and-remixed-for-new-home-release
Pink Floyd’s concert film Delicate Sound Of Thunder is all set for a home reissue in November – a month after the restored, re-edited and remixed version hits cinemas around the world.
20 year old Cool Chris says it is about goddamn time. DSoT is my most watched VHS tape ever, my most watched concert video ever, my most listened to album ever, and possibly my most viewed film of any type ever.
that just got added to the birthday/christmas wishlist!
Not waiting till Christmas... pre-ordered. Looks like you can get the BD and CD separately for much less than the package deal that includes everything.
Nick's A Saucerful of Secrets video/CD is being released tomorrow too. From clips I've seen, it is beautiful.
I got my pre-order in the mail last week. Haven't watched the video yet, but the CD was really cool to listen to!
I am not big in to that material, but the guys look like they are having a blast performing it all.
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So are Endless River and Rattle that Lock (Gilmour solo) good records?
Bought both of them randomly because I stumbled upon the nice little boxset versions with all kinds of extras for very cheap (and I am buying 5.1 versions of music because I want to have a 5.1 setup in the future).
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Endless River is fantastic. It's basically an album of soundscapes / instrumentals with one song with vocals. Very very relaxing.
Rattle is okay. I've listened to it through maybe twice. Others' opinions may vary, but it's no where near as great as On An Island. The live output from the tour is pretty great though.
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So are Endless River and Rattle that Lock (Gilmour solo) good records?
Bought both of them randomly because I stumbled upon the nice little boxset versions with all kinds of extras for very cheap (and I am buying 5.1 versions of music because I want to have a 5.1 setup in the future).
I think it’s excellent. But you really have to be somebody who enjoys PF’s instrumental stuff.
It actually just kind of feels like a Richard Wright solo album that Dave threw some solos on top of. And I don’t mean that in a bad way. I think it’s a nice “coda“, if you will, to Pink Floyd’s discography.
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Totally agreed on The Endless River. More of those ethereal Pink Floyd instrumentals, some of which sound like outtakes from different eras, but all very nice. Yes, it does also sound like something David Gilmour "assembled" from existing tapes with Wright and the others (which is really what it is), but that's only if you want to dissect it. My least favorite tracks are the opening and closing tracks, the ones with vocals. I made a playlist of everything in between, and it's got a great flow to it.
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For me, I feel like, if you take all the albums together, The Endless River is a wonderful coda to the entire discography, like an epilogue that takes the listener through all of the Pink Floyd sound. On it's own... it's not much. That "Allons-Y 1/Autumn '68/Allons-Y 2" group of tracks is fantastic, though. The songs with lyrics are the weakest part.
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I think Rattle That Lock has some great songs on it. My favourite is the title track. I love intelligent, catchy art pop songs like that.
My main problem with that album is that many songs end with a fade-out. I have no problem if David needs 10 years for 50 minutes of new music. But in that much time, can't he compose proper endings to the songs? He'd have to do that anyway for the live versions.
Apart from that, I think Faces Of Stone is fantastic, as is In Any Tongue. The latter includes a great Comfortably Numb-like solo by David.
And I have a weakness for Crosby & Nash's harmony vocals, so A Boat Lies Waiting is beautiful in my opinion. Could have been a minute or so longer though.
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I agree though that On An Island is the far better album. It flows perfectly, combines instrumentals and songs with vocals very well. And I love that it used the Dark Side-technique, that the opener presents lots of themes and sound effects that reappear throughout the album.
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In my view, Rattle That Lock is pretty good not great, and The Endless River is a mood piece, but the Remember That Night, Live In Gdansk, and Live In Pompeii sets are ESSENTIAL. A couple weeks ago, I spent a good weekend going through all three, watching the documentaries, watching the hidden Easter Eggs, and what not, and what a stellar set of packages (the first two are from the On An Island tour, the last is from the Rattle That Lock tour, but someone mentioned Crosby and Nash, and they appear on Remember That Night set, as does David Bowie).
It's also worth searching out the "Barn Tapes"; there are supposedly about 200 of them, Gilmour has released about 10 of them, on various platforms (I think the Rattle That Lock deluxe version has four or five, one is a b-side of a single, couple more on the deluxe version of one of the live sets, Gdansk, I think).
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In my view, Rattle That Lock is pretty good not great, and The Endless River is a mood piece, but the Remember That Night, Live In Gdansk, and Live In Pompeii sets are ESSENTIAL. A couple weeks ago, I spent a good weekend going through all three, watching the documentaries, watching the hidden Easter Eggs, and what not, and what a stellar set of packages (the first two are from the On An Island tour, the last is from the Rattle That Lock tour, but someone mentioned Crosby and Nash, and they appear on Remember That Night set, as does David Bowie).
It's also worth searching out the "Barn Tapes"; there are supposedly about 200 of them, Gilmour has released about 10 of them, on various platforms (I think the Rattle That Lock deluxe version has four or five, one is a b-side of a single, couple more on the deluxe version of one of the live sets, Gdansk, I think).
I have Remember That Night and it's a great set especially with Crosby and Nash. David Bowie was a nice treat as well, only a British accent can do Arnold Layne justice, as I feel that accent makes the songs sound for me.
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Remember That Night is one of my favourite concert DVDs ever.
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David Bowie was a nice treat as well, only a British accent can do Arnold Layne justice, as I feel that accent makes the songs sound for me.
Hearing that version gave me a new appreciation for Arnold Layne. Whenever I want to listen to it now, that's the version I go to.
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I caught Remember That Night on TV one time. Dick Parry was doing the baritone sax solo in "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" and I wondered if he was gonna switch to Tenor for the fast part. Then I realized that he actually had both of them on him, on separate neck straps. When it kicked into double time, he whipped the baritone to the side and switched to tenor. I actually cheered out loud. He played the entire tenor solo with an extra 20 lbs of metal hanging off of him because there's no time to put one down and pick the other one up.
(https://i.imgur.com/HRdicph.jpg)
Dick Parry is a fucking boss.
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David Bowie was a nice treat as well, only a British accent can do Arnold Layne justice, as I feel that accent makes the songs sound for me.
Hearing that version gave me a new appreciation for Arnold Layne. Whenever I want to listen to it now, that's the version I go to.
I knew that song from their Echoes compilation. So was surprised when I saw Remember That Night at A Hastings and saw it on the setlist.
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Sounds good, looking forward to listening to both Endless Rivers and Rattle that Lock. Paid 15 euro total for both boxes sealed, so that is why they were a random purchase, the sale got to me.
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Gave Obscured by Clouds and The Endless River each a good listen today at work.
When PF was my most often-listened to band growing up, somehow Obscured by Clouds flew under my radar. I wasn't big in to the pre-DSotM stuff but I did listen to some of it occasionally. I just never owned this album, and pre-internet, that means I rarely if ever heard it.
I enjoyed The Endless River more than I recall doing when I last listened to it. I am not big in to instrumental music, but this made for good listening. I doubt it is something I will revisit much though.
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I always mix of the tracks on Obscured and More. Honestly years ago I think I had them as one album on my mp3 player.
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Obscured has some nice songs. To me the magic starts with Meddle.
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Gave Obscured by Clouds and The Endless River each a good listen today at work.
When PF was my most often-listened to band growing up, somehow Obscured by Clouds flew under my radar. I wasn't big in to the pre-DSotM stuff but I did listen to some of it occasionally. I just never owned this album, and pre-internet, that means I rarely if ever heard it.
I enjoyed The Endless River more than I recall doing when I last listened to it. I am not big in to instrumental music, but this made for good listening. I doubt it is something I will revisit much though.
THat's weird because that was me too; for some reason, ObC was pretty much the last Floyd album I got and got into. It's a good record, but (surprise surprise) it pales in comparison to that which came after. In hindsight, though, I think their soundtracks are really good; I don't know if it's because they sort of took the sharp edges off the experimentation, or something else, but I think they really set the stage for what came after (since you could argue that the magical component of DSotM, WYWH, A, TW, and TFC is the cinematic scope of those records).
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So, still haven't watched the whole thing, but have taken a substantial bite out of the new Delicate Sound of Thunder release.
I've probably said earlier, but the original release is my most watched VHS tape ever, most watched concert vid ever, and maybe my most watched film of any kind ever. Though I have not watched it in many years, I feel like I'd know ever shot like the proverbial back of my hand. So I was curious how this new edit would play out. And dare I say it knocks it out of the park. It felt like every shot, every edit, every pan of the crowd was exactly how it should be, such that it's hard to imagine that these were not the original shots, edits, and pans. I've read elsewhere there is more of a focus on David, but I felt everyone is shown sufficiently and appropriately. One thing that stood out to me is there are more shots by cameramen on stage, some of which are behind the band so you can see the crowd from their perspective. Not the type of shot you usually get on a concert vid. There is a great shot of David (can't remember the spot) where he looks a little surprised to see a camera sneak up behind him, and he smiles at the camera, and by extension, us. A quick break of the fourth wall.
I cannot comment on the sound. I will leave that to the audiophiles. But visually, it is stunning. When the camera is on David, we can see in clear focus Tim (Renwick) behind him, strumming away with a smile on his face. The editing is also masterful, done in the anti-Steve Harris style. The camera is never in a rush to move from one shot to the next. It's like they know when we are ready for the next shot, and where it should be.
Many people have said DT has moved their live presentation from a "rock concert" to a performance. This show manages to be a masterpiece of both.
I just hope we don't have to wait another 20 years for the release of the Delicate Sound of Thunder Ultimate Every Shot Is Of Rachel Fury Edition.
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So, still haven't watched the whole thing, but have taken a substantial bite out of the new Delicate Sound of Thunder release.
I've probably said earlier, but the original release is my most watched VHS tape ever, most watched concert vid ever, and maybe my most watched film of any kind ever. Though I have not watched it in many years, I feel like I'd know ever shot like the proverbial back of my hand. So I was curious how this new edit would play out. And dare I say it knocks it out of the park. It felt like every shot, every edit, every pan of the crowd was exactly how it should be, such that it's hard to imagine that these were not the original shots, edits, and pans. I've read elsewhere there is more of a focus on David, but I felt everyone is shown sufficiently and appropriately. One thing that stood out to me is there are more shots by cameramen on stage, some of which are behind the band so you can see the crowd from their perspective. Not the type of shot you usually get on a concert vid. There is a great shot of David (can't remember the spot) where he looks a little surprised to see a camera sneak up behind him, and he smiles at the camera, and by extension, us. A quick break of the fourth wall.
I cannot comment on the sound. I will leave that to the audiophiles. But visually, it is stunning. When the camera is on David, we can see in clear focus Tim (Renwick) behind him, strumming away with a smile on his face. The editing is also masterful, done in the anti-Steve Harris style. The camera is never in a rush to move from one shot to the next. It's like they know when we are ready for the next shot, and where it should be.
Many people have said DT has moved their live presentation from a "rock concert" to a performance. This show manages to be a masterpiece of both.
I just hope we don't have to wait another 20 years for the release of the Delicate Sound of Thunder Ultimate Every Shot Is Of Rachel Fury Edition.
Great review!
I saw this on Blu-ray last week and was very pleased. I watched this on VHS a million times back in the day (along with Rush's A Show of Hands), so I knew what shots were different (a lot of them), which threw me a little at first, but once I got used to them, the awesomeness really shined through.
It did feel like the overall sound was a little less 80's-sounding than the original, but it sounded great, as Floyd's stuff almost always does.
For my money, the best versions of both Sorrow and One of These Days are taken from this concert. Amazing.
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I wonder what the % of new shots/edits is. It has to be in the 90s. Almost everything looked different enough to make me feel like I was literally watching it for the first time.
I felt there was a little more bass (yay, Guy! Sorry about the Money bass solo) but otherwise didn't readily notice significant differences in the sound.
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I thought the drums were noticeably louder at times. Not too loud per se, just a few songs where you could really hear the pounding of the snare more than you normally do in a Pink Floyd song.
And I agree about that percentage of shots. Most of it did look different, and like you, it did feel like a first watch, but at the same time, it was the same live versions that I was mostly used to from back in the day, so it was like a new visual twist on the old reliable live versions.
The one thing I do wish they had kept was the shot of the dog running up the ladder right before the sax solo in The Dogs of War, which gave the impression that a dog had turned into the sax player the moment the solo began. That was a neat effect, but it was completely removed.
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The one thing I do wish they had kept was the shot of the dog running up the ladder right before the sax solo in The Dogs of War, which gave the impression that a dog had turned into the sax player the moment the solo began. That was a neat effect, but it was completely removed.
!!! I had the same thought! At least they didn't visually alter Scotty Page's epic mullet.
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:lol :lol The mullet must stay!!
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I didn't realize this release of DSo Thunder was part of the boxset from last year. I just noticed PULSE has also been re-edited and in Bluray. I assume they'll release that next year as a separate set. I would've gotten the Later years set if it wasn't friggin over $400.
I'm very familiar with PULSE and never saw DSoT, only heard it a few times. Looks like I need to grab this ASAP.
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I'm very familiar with PULSE and never saw DSoT, only heard it a few times. Looks like I need to grab this ASAP.
There are many similarities (many of the same songs with the same arrangements, same guys, sorta the same stage set-up) but visually it is a different presentation. It is less cinematic, less film-like. I do not know how to describe it. Not worse, just different.
I had forgot PULSE was re-cut as well. I knew it was part of the box set and thus way beyond what I would ever spend for any music/video collection. I remember I had such massive anticipation for the DVD release, but it ultimately was always second fiddle behind DSoT. With all the overlap, all PULSE had for me that DSoT didn't was Astronomy Domine, Hey You (CD only) and High Hopes. I didn't need all of Dark Side, and other than High Hopes the Division Bell songs weren't too appealing to me.
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Even though Dark Side might be (IMO) the greatest album ever, I was a tad disappointed that it was played in full at the show where Pulse was recorded for video release, as it came at the expense of several Division Bell tunes and other tour mainstays like Hey You, Astronomy Domine and On the Turning Away, as those spots were replaced by the Dark Side songs that weren't played on the tour at shows where they didn't play all of Dark Side. We only got four Division Bell songs, one of them being Take It Back damn it. Not that I dislike that song, but What Do You Want from Me, Poles Apart (my personal fave) or Lost for Words would have been far preferable, for my anyway. Regardless, Pulse is still freaking amazing. :lol :lol :coolio :coolio
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I had to look up the set list from the PULSE video. I can never seem to remember it, as I know the CD better.
It must have been a struggle pimping the new Floyd material while keeping enough classics in the set. Especially when you have so many longer songs. I think David and crew did as good as job as possible.
And even when I was in my biggest PF phase, I never ranked Dark Side higher than their 4th best album released in an odd-numbered year in the 70s. :biggrin:
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I agree, they did as good a job as possible once they decided that all of Dark Side was getting played. I mean, you have to have the other obvious classics like Run Like Hell, Comfortably Numb, Wish You Were Here and Another Brick in the Wall II, and we did get six songs from the first Roger-less Floyd albums there (2 from A Momentary, 4 from Division Bell), plus One of These Days and Shine On You Crazy Diamond, so really there was no weak spot anywhere. Okay, Take It Back could have been swapped out, but that was a single that got solid radio airplay in '94, so I am sure that was a factor.
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Even though Dark Side might be (IMO) the greatest album ever, I was a tad disappointed that it was played in full at the show where Pulse was recorded for video release, as it came at the expense of several Division Bell tunes and other tour mainstays like Hey You, Astronomy Domine and On the Turning Away, as those spots were replaced by the Dark Side songs that weren't played on the tour at shows where they didn't play all of Dark Side. We only got four Division Bell songs, one of them being Take It Back damn it. Not that I dislike that song, but What Do You Want from Me, Poles Apart (my personal fave) or Lost for Words would have been far preferable, for my anyway. Regardless, Pulse is still freaking amazing. :lol :lol :coolio :coolio
I'm not an expert here, and I'm going from memory, but between the two singles and the PULSE DVD, there are like five or six other songs that were played live on that tour released.
EDIT: Yes. On the Pulse DVD (the original one, I don't know about the new one), there is:
"What Do You Want from Me"
"On the Turning Away"
"Poles Apart"
"Marooned"
On Take It Back is "Astronomy Domine", and on High Hopes is "One Of These Days".
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Once I'm done with the iron maiden live album run through I'll switch to floyd. Been ages since I had a run through their music. Will have to dig my pulse dvd out as well.
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Delicate Sound remaster is on my Christmas list. I look forward to Santa delivering it.
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Even though Dark Side might be (IMO) the greatest album ever, I was a tad disappointed that it was played in full at the show where Pulse was recorded for video release, as it came at the expense of several Division Bell tunes and other tour mainstays like Hey You, Astronomy Domine and On the Turning Away, as those spots were replaced by the Dark Side songs that weren't played on the tour at shows where they didn't play all of Dark Side. We only got four Division Bell songs, one of them being Take It Back damn it. Not that I dislike that song, but What Do You Want from Me, Poles Apart (my personal fave) or Lost for Words would have been far preferable, for my anyway. Regardless, Pulse is still freaking amazing. :lol :lol :coolio :coolio
I'm not an expert here, and I'm going from memory, but between the two singles and the PULSE DVD, there are like five or six other songs that were played live on that tour released.
EDIT: Yes. On the Pulse DVD (the original one, I don't know about the new one), there is:
"What Do You Want from Me"
"On the Turning Away"
"Poles Apart"
"Marooned"
On Take It Back is "Astronomy Domine", and on High Hopes is "One Of These Days".
Sure, technically the four bolded were on the video release, but only decent bootleg recordings. If you look above, I was talking about the full show that was recorded and released as Pulse. :)
Delicate Sound remaster is on my Christmas list. I look forward to Santa delivering it.
Just don't get high hopes, otherwise Santa may take it back and leave you lost for words. :P
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Delicate Sound remaster is on my Christmas list. I look forward to Santa delivering it.
Just don't get high hopes, otherwise Santa may take it back and leave you lost for words. :P
Thankfully we don’t live poles apart from each other, I’ll keep talking to him to make sure I can get it.
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Delicate Sound remaster is on my Christmas list. I look forward to Santa delivering it.
Just don't get high hopes, otherwise Santa may take it back and leave you lost for words. :P
Thankfully we don’t live poles apart from each other, I’ll keep talking to him to make sure I can get it.
:lol :lol :tup :tup
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Delicate Sound remaster is on my Christmas list. I look forward to Santa delivering it.
Santa didn’t deliver at Christmas, but the wife came through for Valentines.
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My top 3
The Final cut (yea nothing you can throw at me......i've heard it all i'm that guy, lol)
Animals
Meddle
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My top 3
Dark Side of the Moon
Animals
Wish You Were Here
That's right, no The Wall there.
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My top 3
Dark Side of the Moon
Animals
Wish You Were Here
That's right, no The Wall there.
i feel ya. i suffer from depression so i can't do the wall often......heck i can barely do the final cut which is my fav.
besides all that. i find the wall just not that fantastic. too many things on it that just doesn't click for me.
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Wish You Were Here
Dark Side Of The Moon
A Momentary Lapse Of Reason
Third pick changes all the time but it's what I'm feeling at the moment
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If pressed I might call The Wall my favorite album of all time, considering the history and development of my musical journey, but it is something I am rarely going to reach for. I listen to songs from The Wall more often on DSoT, Pulse, or Roger's live albums.
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Animals
The Wall
Dark side of the moon
Wish you were here is really close, though.
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Wish you were here
Dark Side
Animals
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Top 3 is tough.
Right now:
Piper at the Gates of Dawn
The Wall
Dark Side of the Moon
With an honorable mention to Relics. Not a proper album, but an excellent collection.
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Wish You Were Here
The Wall
Animals
WYWH is my undisputed number one. The rest changes from time to time, sometimes Dark Side is in my top three sometimes maybe The Division Bell.
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As awesome as Wish You Were Here is, I find that I don't listen to it as much now as I used to. And I didn't overplay it any more than I did the others in my top tier. I find that I am much more likely to listen to Animals now, so that has replaced WYWH in my top 3.
The Wall
Dark Side
Animals
Wish You Were Here and The Division Bell round out the top 5. Nothing is close to making a dent and knocking any of those out of the top 5, although I still love me some A Momentary Lapse of Reason.
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My top 3
The Final cut (yea nothing you can throw at me......i've heard it all i'm that guy, lol)
Animals
Meddle
It's tough to settle on three, but don't apologize for The Final Cut. On any given day it's in my top three.
WYWH
DSOTM
The Final Cut/Atom Heart Mother/More/Animals/Obscured By Clouds/Meddle. It's almost impossible for me to choose.
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Wish You Were Here
Dark Side
The Division Bell
I used to like The Wall a lot but my love for it somewhat faded in the past six years.
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My top 3
The Final cut (yea nothing you can throw at me......i've heard it all i'm that guy, lol)
Animals
Meddle
It's tough to settle on three, but don't apologize for The Final Cut. On any given day it's in my top three.
WYWH
DSOTM
The Final Cut/Atom Heart Mother/More/Animals/Obscured By Clouds/Meddle. It's almost impossible for me to choose.
I'm glad to hear it. i've gotten people look at me weird, lol
the final Cut.....what are you on? but i just adore this album. The tile song in particular.
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Dark Side
Wish You Were Here
Animals
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Dark Side
Wish You Were Here
Animals
This.
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Floyd are my favourite band of all time and 7 of their albums made my top 50 albums of all time list (Atom, Meddle, Dark Side, WYWH, Animals, The Wall, Final Cut), 4 of them comprising the top 4 places.
Top 3 fluctuates on any given day between the 'big 4', but right now I'm feeling:
Wish You Were Here
Animals
The Wall
But tomorrow morning it could easily be:
Dark Side of the Moon
The Wall
Animals
Incredible band, we'll never see their like again. I was thinking in the Stanley Kubrick thread (when I had a similar hard time making my pick there) how similar they are to him insofar as nothing they did was ever like what they'd done before or would do again. Always changing and evolving.
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Dave, I know of your love for Floyd, but I never asked you: what's your take on the early stuff? Both the Barrett (and Barrett influenced) stuff on the first two albums, and that second "soundtrack" period, that I'd say goes up to Meddle. I think AHM is excellent (don't know why they slag it so much) and I think the bones of a great album are in "More".
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Dark Side
Wish You Were Here
Animals
Swap WYWH and Dark Side, but also this.
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@those who rank WYWH at or toward the top... how do you rank the individual tracks?
Back when I listened to PF as much as any band, I tended to listen to the title track more than the other songs combined. But the other three tended to be on the radio often enough. Today those three aren't songs I am going to put on, but the title track will always sound fresh and bring a smile to my face.
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@those who rank WYWH at or toward the top... how do you rank the individual tracks?
Probably like:
1: Welcome To The Machine
2: Shine On Parts 6-9
3: Wish You Were Here
4: Shine On Parts 1-5
5: Have A Cigar (still a good song, just the least good here)
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1. Shine On You 1-5
2. Shine On You 6-9
3. Have a Cigar
4. Welcome to the Machine
5. Wish You Were Here
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Top 3 albums:
1. The Wall
2. Meddle
3. The Division Bell
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@those who rank WYWH at or toward the top... how do you rank the individual tracks?
1. Shine On You 1-5
2. Wish You Were Here
3. Shine On You 6-9
4. Welcome to the Machine
5. Have a Cigar
All songs are 9+/10 though
Yeah, I think same for me, except I may swap 1 and 2 depending on my mood.
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'Shine On You Crazy Diamond 1-5' is always battling with 'Time' for me as my favourite Floyd track ever.
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@those who rank WYWH at or toward the top... how do you rank the individual tracks?
Back when I listened to PF as much as any band, I tended to listen to the title track more than the other songs combined. But the other three tended to be on the radio often enough. Today those three aren't songs I am going to put on, but the title track will always sound fresh and bring a smile to my face.
Shine On 1-5
Shine On 6-9
Welcome To The Machine
Wish You Were Here
Have A Cigar
(I could flip WYWH and WTTM on any given day.)
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Shine On 1-5
Shine On 6-9
Welcome To The Machine
Wish You Were Here
Have A Cigar
This
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Shine On 1-5
Wish You Were Here
Shine On 6-9
Have A Cigar
Welcome To The Machine
Shine on 6-9 and Have a Cigar are interchangeable to me
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Shine On 1-5
Wish You Were Here
Shine On 6-9
Have A Cigar
Welcome To The Machine
Shine on 6-9 and Have a Cigar are interchangeable to me
Yes, sir. All of this is correct.
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Shine On 1-5 is awesome, but I have long preferred Shine On 6-9 by a hair. The first five minutes, featuring Gilmour just wailing on that lap steel guitar, is one of my favorite Floyd instrumental sections ever. Just jaw-dropping stuff.
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Dave, I know of your love for Floyd, but I never asked you: what's your take on the early stuff? Both the Barrett (and Barrett influenced) stuff on the first two albums, and that second "soundtrack" period, that I'd say goes up to Meddle. I think AHM is excellent (don't know why they slag it so much) and I think the bones of a great album are in "More".
I love Piper at the Gates the older I get. I wasn't keen on it in my youth because it's so different to the sound of the 'big 70s' albums that it might as well be a different band. And quite honestly Syd's headspace unnerved me a bit, I get the sense his trips only ever revealed awful and frightening things to him (that's more apparent in his solo work).
Saucerful is a mixed bag, I love the title track although every live version I've heard (especially Pompeii) is better than the studio version. Atom Heart Mother is a favourite of mine. Gilmour's disowned it because of the "rubbish" (his word) playing on the title track, but I love its ambition and its originality. It's also an important album from a historical point of view. It was the first British rock album to have one track taking up an entire side of vinyl. It was the first album to have no indication on the sleeve of who the artist was or the title of the album. It was the first Floyd album to be mixed in the quadraphonic sound. And it was also the band's first number 1. I love it because it's the last time the band would just have a lot of goofy fun with their music instead of being hyper-serious artistes.
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Since I started some dialogue about The Wall and just listened to it for the first time all the way through, thought I’d put this discussion here:
I remember when this album came out and the MP forum was all in a tizzy about Teh Nuggetz but honestly don’t think I ever picked up on any of them. I don’t recall hearing the Roger Waters thing but then again I wouldn’t have known what it was anyway (never listened to The Wall).
You should give it a spin. It's a good album.
I have heard a lot of the music on The Wall of course, but haven’t ever sat down and listened to the whole thing. I probably should give it a try though.
You've never listened to The Wall? I would strongly recommend you do, it's a masterpiece in my opinion!
Edit, I just read that you have heard music from the album - still, The Wall deserves to be listened from beginning to end :tup
Ok, but why should a person who has heard only about 4-5 songs on that album and thinks they suck and/or are boring, and who likes nothing he has ever heard by Pink Floyd, listen to the other 20+ tracks? That's like saying, "oh, you hate rap, but you should listen to such and such 2-Pack album because it's a masterpiece and deserves to be listened to from beginning to end."
Did HOF ever imply this? :huh:
My point was that, if, after 40+ years, someone hasn't listened to The Wall, it's probably because he/she doesn't like the band.
So that is part of it. I’ve heard maybe a third of this before between radio stuff, bits of the movie I’ve seen, and wherever else it’s worked it’s way into popular culture. But I also have heard a good bit of other PF (I own or have previously heard all of Dark Side, Wish You Were Here, and Animals, which I’m not wild about, and then The Division Bell, which I think is great). Generally, I think Gilmour is brilliant and Waters is kind of boring. And I gathered that The Wall was more Waters’ thing, though there are certainly some great Gilmour moments here. Mostly though, it’s not an album I ever invested in owning and I may have started streaming it a time or two before but it didn’t grab me. But I do like to give things a try that are considered landmark albums or cultural touchstones just to see what they are about, so I was willing to give it a try.
Having given it a full listen just now, I can see the art in it and can connect with a lot of the themes, but a lot of it is pretty dull. Comfortably Numb is the high point, as I somewhat expected given what I knew of it going in. But there are relatively few “wow that is amazing” points throughout. May I’come back to it another time though. I suppose we should jump to a PF thread so as to not detail this one further. I’ll repost this there.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=5564.1540
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I know not everyone agrees with me on this - and that's fine - but I believe if you're going to be a music fan, there are certain works (and bands, too, but we're talking about albums here) you need to at least be familiar with. Not like, but be aware of. I think there are a number of albums - Who's Next; Tommy; Sgt. Pepper... and The Wall is one of them - that help "explain" or at least put into context a lot of what came after.
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I know not everyone agrees with me on this - and that's fine - but I believe if you're going to be a music fan, there are certain works (and bands, too, but we're talking about albums here) you need to at least be familiar with. Not like, but be aware of. I think there are a number of albums - Who's Next; Tommy; Sgt. Pepper... and The Wall is one of them - that help "explain" or at least put into context a lot of what came after.
I have never listened to Tommy or Sgt Pepper's. I've actually never listened to The Wall either.
Other than the radio hits from these albums of course.
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I know not everyone agrees with me on this - and that's fine - but I believe if you're going to be a music fan, there are certain works (and bands, too, but we're talking about albums here) you need to at least be familiar with. Not like, but be aware of. I think there are a number of albums - Who's Next; Tommy; Sgt. Pepper... and The Wall is one of them - that help "explain" or at least put into context a lot of what came after.
and before as well to some degree (Childhood's End on Obscured By Clouds (it's about Roger's father as well), which is not the same as Childhood's End by Marillion on Misplaced Childhood)
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I know not everyone agrees with me on this - and that's fine - but I believe if you're going to be a music fan, there are certain works (and bands, too, but we're talking about albums here) you need to at least be familiar with. Not like, but be aware of. I think there are a number of albums - Who's Next; Tommy; Sgt. Pepper... and The Wall is one of them - that help "explain" or at least put into context a lot of what came after.
I have never listened to Tommy or Sgt Pepper's. I've actually never listened to The Wall either.
Other than the radio hits from these albums of course.
That explains a lot ;D
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I know not everyone agrees with me on this - and that's fine - but I believe if you're going to be a music fan, there are certain works (and bands, too, but we're talking about albums here) you need to at least be familiar with. Not like, but be aware of. I think there are a number of albums - Who's Next; Tommy; Sgt. Pepper... and The Wall is one of them - that help "explain" or at least put into context a lot of what came after.
I have never listened to Tommy or Sgt Pepper's. I've actually never listened to The Wall either.
Other than the radio hits from these albums of course.
That explains a lot ;D
:P :P
I did have Who's Next on cassette when I was in HS. :)
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I know not everyone agrees with me on this - and that's fine - but I believe if you're going to be a music fan, there are certain works (and bands, too, but we're talking about albums here) you need to at least be familiar with. Not like, but be aware of. I think there are a number of albums - Who's Next; Tommy; Sgt. Pepper... and The Wall is one of them - that help "explain" or at least put into context a lot of what came after.
I do try generally, and streaming helps a lot with that. A few months back I realized I’d never heard a full album by The Who so I checked out Who’s Next and really liked it. Still need to check out Tommy though. I did listen to Sgt. Pepper back when it was re-issued recently. I don’t own any Beatles albums in part because I feel like I’ve heard al their songs, even though I’m sure I haven’t. We used to have a radio station here that just played The Beatles, which was kind of fun.
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I'm totally with Stadler on that point.
I've never really gotten the fascination with The Rolling Stones. Seriously...that has got to be the most overrated band in the history of Rock. I just do not see a single thing they brought to the table that was groundbreaking in any way. The Beatles, The Who, Pink Floyd, King Crimson, even the Moody Blues (who I'm also lukewarm on, but warming up to) all brought something to the table that was a game changer on some level. The Stones are just a glorified blues band that wrote some admittedly catchy tunes in the 60s...but once Brian Jones died, I pretty much just consider them to be a lucky hit machine that happened to stay together longer than anyone else.
In spite of this...I still try to keep abreast of the bands history, catalog, and hits just because (whether I like it or not) it had an impact on so many other things. In fact, I've been thinking of picking up Exile on Main Street, not because I like the Stones, but because it appears to be an important album in rock history and I feel that it's important to listen and understand what was going on in music at the time, and how it had an impact on the music scene later.
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I'm totally with Stadler on that point.
I've never really gotten the fascination with The Rolling Stones. Seriously...that has got to be the most overrated band in the history of Rock. I just do not see a single thing they brought to the table that was groundbreaking in any way. The Beatles, The Who, Pink Floyd, King Crimson, even the Moody Blues (who I'm also lukewarm on, but warming up to) all brought something to the table that was a game changer on some level. The Stones are just a glorified blues band that wrote some admittedly catchy tunes in the 60s...but once Brian Jones died, I pretty much just consider them to be a lucky hit machine that happened to stay together longer than anyone else.
In spite of this...I still try to keep abreast of the bands history, catalog, and hits just because (whether I like it or not) it had an impact on so many other things. In fact, I've been thinking of picking up Exile on Main Street, not because I like the Stones, but because it appears to be an important album in rock history and I feel that it's important to listen and understand what was going on in music at the time, and how it had an impact on the music scene later.
Your point about an album having an impact on other things is a good one. I definitely did get a sense listening to The Wall of how it had influenced other bands. I could pick out parts where I could see how Marillion were trying to put down the same vibe with Brave, or things that clearly seemed to influence Queensryche or Porcupine Tree. I’d also never considered how maybe The Edge’s trademark delayed guitar effect might have come from Run Like Hell.
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I'm totally with Stadler on that point.
I've never really gotten the fascination with The Rolling Stones. Seriously...that has got to be the most overrated band in the history of Rock. I just do not see a single thing they brought to the table that was groundbreaking in any way. The Beatles, The Who, Pink Floyd, King Crimson, even the Moody Blues (who I'm also lukewarm on, but warming up to) all brought something to the table that was a game changer on some level. The Stones are just a glorified blues band that wrote some admittedly catchy tunes in the 60s...but once Brian Jones died, I pretty much just consider them to be a lucky hit machine that happened to stay together longer than anyone else.
In spite of this...I still try to keep abreast of the bands history, catalog, and hits just because (whether I like it or not) it had an impact on so many other things. In fact, I've been thinking of picking up Exile on Main Street, not because I like the Stones, but because it appears to be an important album in rock history and I feel that it's important to listen and understand what was going on in music at the time, and how it had an impact on the music scene later.
Your point about an album having an impact on other things is a good one. I definitely did get a sense listening to The Wall of how it had influenced other bands. I could pick out parts where I could see how Marillion were trying to put down the same vibe with Brave, or things that clearly seemed to influence Queensryche or Porcupine Tree. I’d also never considered how maybe The Edge’s trademark delayed guitar effect might have come from Run Like Hell.
I've written about this before, but everyone jumps to the "Genesis" connection to Marillion, and yet I feel like the Pink Floyd influence is SOOOO much more prevalent.
I don't agree with Jammin's point on the Stones, but that's kind of what I used to think about The Who. WTF? Two fucking albums (Tommy and Who's Next) and a bunch of reunion/retirement tours. What's the big deal? And I dug into it a little bit, and hearing Quadrophenia basically "explained" Oasis for me (one of my favorite bands). It also explained a lot, though not all, of Pearl Jam as well. Like I said, I don't expect everyone to agree, but for me, who's a "nuggetz" guy to start with, it adds an enrichment and a context to things. Another example: early Scorpions and Steve Vai - two almost unrelated artists - both made more sense once I dug into Hendrix. Blackmore too; he's known for his Bach'n'Roll stuff, but you can see a CLEAR delineation between very early Blackmore and, say, Blackmore from "In Rock" on, and the difference is very Hendrix-ian, even if Blackmore doesn't sound like Hendrix all that much.
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I get into similar discussions sometimes with classic bands. They don't see the big deal, they've heard some of their songs and aren't impressed, etc. You don't have to like a band to recognize their influence. But having a well-rounded knowledge of and familiarity with classic bands goes a long way towards understanding everything came after it.
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I think the big thing is being able to listen to those classic albums/music, as if you listen to them in the time it came out.
I never been a big fan of The Beatles. I would listen to some of their big hits, and if their music came on the radio I will listen, but I can never say that I liked The Beatles. I just did not understand what the big deal was. One day I decided to listen to their discography, and it hit me, a lot of the stuff they did (though I still did not like it), paved the way to much of the music that came afterwards. I learned to appreciate their music for what it was back then, not what it is now.
Same with Hendrix, I always thought he was a glorified out-of-tune guitar player (don't hate me), but the more I listened to his stuff, the more I "get" why he is considered to be one of the greatest.
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It's fascinating to me - and I think we'll never see anything like this again, frankly - that from December of 1964 until about mid-1967, the Beatles were involved in a cultural/musical give-and-take that has changed music forever.
With The Beatles came out in December of '64, and had the first inclinations of influence from peers like Bob Dylan ("I'm A Loser" is the most obvious). It's not a coincidence that Dylan "went electric" following that, and while I'm not even a little bit a fan of Dylan, it's obvious that his March '65 album, "Bringing It All Back Home" was a direct result of what the Beatles were doing, and in turn IT influenced - primarily by pushing Lennon further away from the pop and skiffle of their early records - what came next: Help! and shortly thereafter, Rubber Soul. (In the meantime, you had a California band, The Byrds, who were heavily influenced by Dylan putting out their debut in mid-'65 that influenced the Beatles as well).
Rubber Soul changed the game like no one's business and from that point you had a furious back and forth between bands, each one responding and at the same time influencing the others around. It was one of the first ALBUMS, that is, a album that was a unified whole rather than a collection of songs with singles tacked on. It was a piece of art in and of itself, and following that you had Blonde On Blonde, Turn! Turn! Turn! Aftermath and Pet Sounds, then you had the Beatles taking it up a notch with Revolver, then you had Fifth Dimension, A Quick One, Good Vibrations, Between The Buttons, and Freak Out!, then the cycle rebounded and you got arguably the pinnacle of that period, Sgt. Pepper. (Dylan at this point had crashed his motorcycle, and didn't release new work until John Wesley Harding in December of '67).
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Hard for me to grasp that David Gilmour turned 75 on March 6th.
The song Time is timeless. It impacts all of us equally.
Happy belated birthday, Dave.
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Roger just announced tour dates for 2022. I can barely see past the next 72 hours, I cannot imagine having a concert on my calender 521 days from now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoOIa0Vm6gQ
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I can't either, but at least this gives him a long time to get the pre-recorded tracks good enough for his live lip-synching. ;)
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:)
In that show on The Wall tour where David and Nick joined him at the end, he said [paraphrasing] "I used to be an angry man, as David will attest to, but all that is changed, and I couldn't be happier..." Listening to him now, it seems he is more Roger Waters than ever.
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I know he was pissed off a while back about not being able to promote his solo stuff on Pink Floyd's official social media accounts, so that likely reignited the rage inside him, which was probably already bubbling up thanks to Trump. It almost feels right for Roger to be angry than to not. :lol :lol
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Remember he has also been on the anti-Israel train for a long time.
https://rogerwaters.com/just-to-be-clear/
Your last point is spot on. Sadly his grumpiness just became part of how we all viewed him, rightly or wrongly. Not like he did anything to convince us otherwise. When someone is a certain way for so long, it just becomes part of who they are, and any change from that just doesn't feel right. If Bill Belichick bought pizzas and beer for the press before answering questions, that just wouldn't feel right.
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Roger just announced tour dates for 2022. I can barely see past the next 72 hours, I cannot imagine having a concert on my calender 521 days from now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoOIa0Vm6gQ
I got that email too! I completely forgot I had tickets to his show. I guess I will hold onto them for now.
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I can't say I was overly thrilled with this slowed down version of The Bravery of Being out of Range (below), but I love that he is still at least aware of its existence and played it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JamLmpVOgE0
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Saw that a few days ago. Strictly speaking about the music, I think these videos he's been doing are pretty neat.
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I can't say I was overly thrilled with this slowed down version of The Bravery of Being out of Range (below), but I love that he is still at least aware of its existence and played it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JamLmpVOgE0
yeah I was taken off guard at first, it's hard to think of this song as anything less than a big stadium filling sound. But I think it still works in its own way.
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The Division Bell has more votes than Meddle? Really?
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The Division Bell has more votes than Meddle? Really?
The Division Bell is PF’s finest album!*
*in my humble opinion.
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The Division Bell has more votes than Meddle? Really?
I didn’t vote for TDB but it has many songs I love while Meddle only has one.
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The Division Bell has more votes than Meddle? Really?
I didn’t vote for TDB but it has many songs I love while Meddle only has one.
Well, two (Fearless), but you make a good point. Meddle is uneven and a little experimental, while TDB is a mature work by an artist that knew what they were going for and knew how to get it.
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Meddle and TDB each have a Floyd 'Mount Rushmore' song for me, but not a lot else. If I need a TDB fix, which basically amounts to High Hopes, A Great Day for Freedom, and Coming Back to Life, I'll pop in PULSE.
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It's not a true TDB fix without Poles Apart and Keep Talking. :biggrin:
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Poles Apart is alright. Keep Talking never did anything for me though.
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Anybody checked out Nick Mason's Bluray? I usually gets Waters/Gilmour solo releases but this one I'm kinda on the fence about. I like Mason, but I'm not sure if it merits an entire show just for his drumming, the setlist is not that encouraging either.
However, it says he plays Atom Heart Mother.. that's a pretty huge plus for me.
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Anybody checked out Nick Mason's Bluray? I usually gets Waters/Gilmour solo releases but this one I'm kinda on the fence about. I like Mason, but I'm not sure if it merits an entire show just for his drumming, the setlist is not that encouraging either.
However, it says he plays Atom Heart Mother.. that's a pretty huge plus for me.
He doesn't play the whole thing though.
I saw the tour, it was a great concert, but I didn't buy the live album on any format. Not sure I'll ever sit down and listen/watch that whole concert.
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Anybody checked out Nick Mason's Bluray? I usually gets Waters/Gilmour solo releases but this one I'm kinda on the fence about. I like Mason, but I'm not sure if it merits an entire show just for his drumming, the setlist is not that encouraging either.
However, it says he plays Atom Heart Mother.. that's a pretty huge plus for me.
I think it greatly depends on how much you’re into the older era stuff. For me, I’m a bit burned out on “the Dark Side and beyond” material. It’s been played to death. Whereas I’ve been getting more and more into the pre-Meddle material and especially the Syd-era stuff. So seeing an official member of PF pay tribute to that entire era of the band’s history is a huge treat. I too saw the show in Seattle, and I’ve always said that if I had a choice between that show and a full PF reunion that ignored anything pre-Dark Side, I’d take NMSFOS every time.
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I thought about hitting that Seattle show. I am not big in to that era of the band. But it looked like they put a ton of heart and care in to that tour, and the same goes for the video release. Those guys breathed life in to those old songs while still staying true to their original vision.
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Roger vs Dave, round 45 678
https://fb.watch/5RgR38PFym/
It's kind of depressing this drama is still going but at least a new mix of Animals sounds like a cool release.
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More like Roger vs no one again, since I doubt David will reply to this, meaning it's just a feud being publicly fought by one side.
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More like Roger vs no one again, since I doubt David will reply to this, meaning it's just a feud being publicly fought by one side.
True, I love Rog to death but he's always had a big mouth.
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The dispute was over the goddamn liner notes?!
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And the funny part is, the liner notes that Roger wanted included were poorly written, but they talked it up like Roger did it all and the others did little, which I am sure is why he wanted them included. Roger's ego and anger never fails. :lol :lol
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And maybe I am unaware but is it customary for other bands to let past members post on the band's official Facebook page?
I read that thing twice looking for actual info about an actual new release. All I got was that remixes exist, and there are liner notes. What a pointless "update."
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And maybe I am unaware but is it customary for other bands to let past members post on the band's official Facebook page?
I read that thing twice looking for actual info about an actual new release. All I got was that remixes exist, and there are liner notes. What a pointless "update."
That link does not appear on Pink Floyd‘s Facebook page. Which is another point of contention between David and Roger. That link is directly from Roger Waters Facebook page.
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And maybe I am unaware but is it customary for other bands to let past members post on the band's official Facebook page?
He's moaned about it before when he was promoting something or other, and of course when he did it then he had to have a dig at Gilmour and insult the stuff Gilmour and his family has been doing during the lockdown. Was along the lines of, "Oh you won't let me promote my thing, but you're subjecting us to your horrible family thing."
He's coming across as pathetic.
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Nice, my 2nd favourite PF album is getting a new mix. It already sounds great though.
And yes, Roger is being Roger as usual. Nothing new under the sun :lol
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It's true that the linear notes suggest a much more dominant role for Roger Waters than the others in Animals, but do you need to read these notes to realize this? Isn't it enough, who knows, to listen to the album?
As if I didn't realize it about 25 years ago ...
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Why not just tell Roger...
For one, that's the bands page.
And two, your not in the band anymore.
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the band doesn’t really exist anymore and the page could serve to promote all former members work.
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the band doesn’t really exist anymore and the page could serve to promote all former members work.
Since 1994....
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https://www.brain-damage.co.uk/latest/animals-4-disc-package-with-surround-mixes-revealed.html?fbclid=IwAR3WEpG5Q5Cfi-5VxikA9PzAfvJV54JtoELsBOVzi3_eJeDpCSTPGfJsGVw
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How's about a release with just 1 CD? Is that no longer a thing?
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An update from Roger about this release, and some other stuff. Including the removed liner notes.
https://rogerwaters.com/animals-new-mix-update/
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Roger Waters is acting like a child. Again. Disappointing, as he appeared to have mellowed out and gotten past venting about this petty nonsense, but a leopard cannot change its spots, I guess.
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https://youtu.be/5-gF-tmblA8
Beato takes on Comfortably Numb and is clearly having the time of his life digging deep into what makes this song, a classic rock radio staple that’s been played to death, still work after all these years.
I thought it was nice that this came out just a few days after the latest petty drama between Roger and Dave to remind us just how good they were at their « peak » (in quotes because that’s entirely subjective)
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Unless you are one of those strange peeps out there who thinks the band peaked at the beginning with Syd Barrett, and there are those who think that, it is a pretty much a given that Pink Floyd peaked in the mid to late 70's (Dark Side through The Wall).
Even though I have heard it now 3,311 times, Comfortably Numb is still amazing. It will never get old.
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Unless you are one of those strange peeps out there who thinks the band peaked at the beginning with Syd Barrett, and there are those who think that, it is a pretty much a given that Pink Floyd peaked in the mid to late 70's (Dark Side through The Wall).
Even though I have heard it now 3,311 times, Comfortably Numb is still amazing. It will never get old.
I’ve been trying to give Pink Floyd more of a chance lately. I’m still not a big fan, and for whatever reason Roger Waters just rubs me wrong, but I do appreciate the brilliance of David Gilmour. Comfortably Numb is certainly an incredible song with amazing guitar work.
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RC: Considers Dave's "On An Island" album an unofficial Pink Floyd album.
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To me, On an Island and Rattle That Lock sound like what would have been natural follow-ups to The Division Bell, unlike The Endless River, which has stuff I enjoy, but largely sounds like a bunch of leftover material that was pieced together years later.
In other "news," looks like Jon Carin, who worked with Pink Floyd on both tours post-Waters and has toured a lot with both Gilmour and Waters on their solo tours since, is now firmly in the Waters camp and doesn't have nice things to say about Gilmour anymore. Guess he was seduced by Roger's angst. :lol :lol
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I remember reading a while back there was some issue on tour at some point with David, Jon, and Phil Manzanera. I don't recall what the details were, or even if the article I read when in to them in any depth. I believe they both toured Rattle That Lock with him, but weren't part of the Pompeii show, which struck me as odd when I saw first saw clips on YT. I thought maybe it was just a scheduling or a travel document issue (though I couldn't imagine something like that happening with someone who as been doing this forever like DG).
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Yeah, I read about a blurb about how Carin had to leave the tour midstream for some reason, and I guess the events of that and how it happened caused a rift with David. Oh well.
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Unless you are one of those strange peeps out there who thinks the band peaked at the beginning with Syd Barrett, and there are those who think that, it is a pretty much a given that Pink Floyd peaked in the mid to late 70's (Dark Side through The Wall).
Even though I have heard it now 3,311 times, Comfortably Numb is still amazing. It will never get old.
I don’t necessarily think they “peaked” with Barrett, but I have grown to have quite the affinity for the early years in general and Barrett’s material in particular.
His story is fascinating and I’m hoping to possibly read a biography on him soon.
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Huh, Phil left too, wonder if there was a correlation. There is a clip I saw a while back where the guys were talking about how family oriented David made the tours, or at least the tour they were on when that clip was filmed. And Jon started playing with David back in DSoT days, so there is a solid history there.
Just found another blurb where Guy Pratt apparently knows what happened but isn't airing the dirty laundry*.
*See, Roger, it's possible, look in to it.
To me, On an Island and Rattle That Lock sound like what would have been natural follow-ups to The Division Bell...
Never really thought about that. It's hard enough for me to connect the dots between AMLoR and TDB. Connecting them further to On An Island and Rattle That Lock would need some further listening.
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I don’t necessarily think they “peaked” with Barrett, but I have grown to have quite the affinity for the early years in general and Barrett’s material in particular.
His story is fascinating and I’m hoping to possibly read a biography on him soon.
I have what some would call an unusual relationship with the Syd material, as I think most of the early singles (that were included on the box set that came out in the 90's) are quite good (Arnold Layne, Apples and Oranges, Candy and a Currant Bun, Paint Box, etc.), but I think the majority of The Piper at the Gates of Dawn is just awful crap.
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Huh, Phil left too, wonder if there was a correlation. There is a clip I saw a while back where the guys were talking about how family oriented David made the tours, or at least the tour they were on when that clip was filmed. And Jon started playing with David back in DSoT days, so there is a solid history there.
Just found another blurb where Guy Pratt apparently knows what happened but isn't airing the dirty laundry*.
*See, Roger, it's possible, look in to it.
To me, On an Island and Rattle That Lock sound like what would have been natural follow-ups to The Division Bell...
Never really thought about that. It's hard enough for me to connect the dots between AMLoR and TDB. Connecting them further to On An Island and Rattle That Lock would need some further listening.
:lol at the bolded.
As for the second part of your post, AMLOR was by and large a Gilmour solo album, and even with the others chipping in more, The Division Bell was still very Gilmour-centric, similar to how The Wall is very Roger-centric, so it is easy for me to make the leap and think that On an Island and Rattle That Lock could have easily been Floyd names had David gotten the other two to play on it and called it Pink Floyd.
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There is a fair amount of bonus material on the various Gilmour live releases (Gdansk, Pompeii, and the Royal Albert Hall show) and there are a couple where it's the band and whatnot sitting around a table and basically listening to Rick and Dave tell stories. It SEEMS very cordial and collegial, but who knows?
I think it's like anything else; you have these alpha males and whether they are liked or not depends as much on whether you get in their cross hairs or not as anything else. It's hard to argue with either guy; they both sell out stadia as solo artists, so it's not like either one has a lot of impetus to put tail between legs and beg forgiveness.
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As usual, Gilmour takes the high road, and it sounds like another solo album from him is coming in the next year or two!! :) :) :)
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/polly-samson-david-gilmour-theater-for-dreamers-interview-1177233/?fbclid=IwAR3ruEyu191K53Cd-7WwOHgkORZUF0mtUZnbiUc0YpY4p_AXVUvXC8GtNWQ
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That was an interesting bit about Syd. Maybe common knowledge for Floydians, but I really know nothing about his personal history.
Following David's lead, from now on when discussing Roger, we are to describe him as being "a bit shirty."
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Given that this interview was obviously done before Roger's public nonsense last week, I think it's clear that someone in-the-know tipped Roger off about the interview, which is likely why he came out with what he did last week, to get ahead of it and to get his version out there first. Roger is credited as the sole writer on four of the five Animals tracks (and a co-writer on the 5th, Dogs), and it's obvious to anyone who is paying attention that he was the creative driving force of the album conceptually, but that still isn't enough for him. He needs liner notes that basically scream "ROGER DID IT ALL!!!" Amazing that a guy his age is still worried that much about his former bandmates getting a tiny bit more credit than he feels they deserve. Even if they do, who freaking cares? I mean, Roger obviously does, but it's baffling as to why.
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I have heard David say (quite a long time ago) that he wrote the music for Dogs (with Roger just contributing some of the lyrics) and since Dogs is practically half the album…etc etc
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David should publicly say that again tomorrow.
Can you imagine the epic tantrum Roger would throw?
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I have heard David say (quite a long time ago) that he wrote the music for Dogs (with Roger just contributing some of the lyrics) and since Dogs is practically half the album…etc etc
There are some sources out there that say the two wrote the song.
Dogs was originally called You've Got to Be Crazy and had its lyrics modified to fit Animals. The new lyric, I imagine, is totally Waters.
But I'm not really sure.
Well, apparently some linear notes wouldn't be a bad idea. :lol
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So Comfortably Numb deservedly gets acclaim as one of Gilmour's finest moments, but how does everyone feel about On The Turning Away? Could see maybe calling it a bit of a re-write of CN, but in some ways I might prefer it as a song and the solo is also excellent.
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So Comfortably Numb deservedly gets acclaim as one of Gilmour's finest moments, but how does everyone feel about On The Turning Away? Could see maybe calling it a bit of a re-write of CN, but in some ways I might prefer it as a song and the solo is also excellent.
Aside from being ending with awesome guitar solos, I don't see the songs as being that similar, but that's neither here nor there. On the Turning Away is definitely a great tune.
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On the Turning Away is a fabulous song, one of those I consider a bridge between 70s Floyd and David's post-1994 solo career. Come to think of it, a little surprising maybe he never played it live solo. At least it isn't on any of his releases. That ending solo slays.
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I didn't think he had played it solo either, but I looked it up and it appears as if he did play it at least once on the On an Island tour. Still, it is great enough to where it feels like it should have been played more, but he always plays tons of new songs and a lot of tried and true Floyd classics, and that doesn't always leave a lot of room left for much else, so a few songs getting in there from Momentary and The Division Bell is probably a blessing. Hell, he plays nothing from his own first two solo albums.
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Speaking of solos, my favourite of them all might be Time. It's even more awesome than Comfortably Numb to me.
That's also my favourite PF song ever.
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Speaking of solos, my favourite of them all might be Time. It's even more awesome than Comfortably Numb to me.
That's also my favourite PF song ever.
Hey now, I have been saying that for 30 years! ;)
Time was my favorite Floyd song for probably a longer time than any other, but Mother overtook it again recently. They are my 1a and 1b. Comfortably Numb is not far behind.
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Speaking of solos, my favourite of them all might be Time. It's even more awesome than Comfortably Numb to me.
That's also my favourite PF song ever.
It is a really great solo (and song).
Listening through DSOTM again now, and I think Us and Them is still my favorite song off of it.
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Us and Them is also a top 5 Floyd tune for me. That is one of those songs I never get tired of, and if it comes on via shuffle, I never skip over it. Love it.
To place my favorite Floyd tunes into top tiers, I will go this way:
Top tier
Mother
Time
Comfortably Numb
Us and Them
Dogs
Shine On You Crazy Diamond (VI-IX)
Shine On You Crazy Diamond (I-V)
Second tier
Sheep
Poles Apart
Brain Damage/Eclipse
Sorrow (live version from Delicate Sound of Thunder)
Echoes
One of These Days (live version from Delicate Sound of Thunder)
High Hopes
Keep Talking
Wish You Were Here
Tons more good ones as well.
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I never liked Us and Them much. In fact DSotM is wildly uneven for me. Time and Money are great, if ruined for me by classic rock radio. Any Colour You Like is a fine tune. Brain Damage and Eclipse is a masterful way to end the album. Everything else is just... eh. I also don't rank Wish You Were Here highly, which always makes me feel like I need to turn in my PF Fan Card.
Top tier
Echoes
Time
Shine On You Crazy Diamond
Dogs
Mother
Comfortably Numb
High Hopes
Second tier
Pigs (3 Different Ones)
Sheep
Hey You
Like Kev, I'd rank a couple other songs here based on the DSoT versions. Sorrow, On the Turning Away, definitely Run Like Hell.
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I never liked Us and Them much. In fact DSotM is wildly uneven for me. Time and Money are great, if ruined for me by classic rock radio. Any Colour You Like is a fine tune. Brain Damage and Eclipse is a masterful way to end the album. Everything else is just... eh. I also don't rank Wish You Were Here highly, which always makes me feel like I need to turn in my PF Fan Card.
Top tier
Echoes
Time
Shine On You Crazy Diamond
Dogs
Mother
Comfortably Numb
High Hopes
Second tier
Pigs (3 Different Ones)
Sheep
Hey You
Like Kev, I'd rank a couple other songs here based on the DSoT versions. Sorrow, On the Turning Away, definitely Run Like Hell.
I find Wish You Were Here to be pretty boring. Those songs have definitely been overplayed by radio, and while I feel like I should like Shine On You Crazy Diamond, I just don’t really get much out of it. I liked the Transatlantic cover better.
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Sometimes I wonder if I should make a separate Syd Barrett appreciation thread. But it probably wouldn’t last very long. :'(
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"One Of These Days" is one of those songs that I just wonder "how did that warrant the exposure it's gotten over the years?" You know what I mean? Those songs that aren't "hits" per se, but the band clearly likes and/or values above the others. It's not even the SECOND best song on the record (that's Fearless). Is it because of the one lyric?
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"One Of These Days" is one of those songs that I just wonder "how did that warrant the exposure it's gotten over the years?" You know what I mean? Those songs that aren't "hits" per se, but the band clearly likes and/or values above the others. It's not even the SECOND best song on the record (that's Fearless). Is it because of the one lyric?
I think there are a great many PF fans who treasure that lap/slide solo.
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"One of These Days" is all about the mood. I love it. It's a great album opener, and IMO a great song in it's own right. No, there's not a lot going on, it's not making any kind of grand statement. I just love the build up, and when it finally lets loose, that solo.
It's the first track on the first album which is my personal Pink Floyd Main Sequence, and I always look forward to it. Also, it segues beautifully into "A Pillow of Winds" which is its polar opposite. I love Meddle overall. The last great album before Roger Water decided that everything was all about him and his concepts and his music and his lyrics and his vision and his ego and his shitty music and his ego and his ego and his ego and his ego and his ego and his ego and his ego and his ego and his ego and his ego.
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Are you trying to say something, Orbert? ;) ;D
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I like the concept of concept albums. That run from Dark Side of the Moon through Animals was great. It's only three albums, but they solidified Pink Floyd in the collective consciousness, and the combination of Waters' vision and the rest of the band's music was magic. And The Wall isn't bad, either. I know, a lot of people consider it their masterpiece. Masturbationpiece, more like. Some great songs on The Wall, but whenever I try to listen to it nowadays, all I hear is Roger and his whining. He had a shitty childhood, he had a shitty mom, he had a shitty wife, he had a shitty life, yeah okay, I get it, you can stop now. Stop. Please fucking stop! Nope, we have an entire second disc to get through.
Roger Waters' ego was what helped make Pink Floyd great, and also what destroyed it.
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That shitty life did lend itself to a damn good story for a concept album, though. He turned it into something fictional throughout the entire disc two as well. :tup
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Pink Floyd without Roger Waters made One of These Days a much better song. I don't think it's that great on Meddle, but it freaking slayed on both of the Waters-less tours. It seems like Guy Pratt used a warmer bass tone, which makes the first half better, and Gilmour's playing had too much distortion on the original. His tone was so awesome on those later live versions that you could literally hear every nuance as he moved that slide up and down the lap steel.
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Guy talks about One Of These Days on his channel. Crazy how easy he makes it sound. Post-Roger Floyd shows and David solo shows just made everything sound so... massive. I do not know how to describe it. Whether that makes it better, is a matter of opinion I guess.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKFJsxEMHMQ
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I love the live performance on "Live in Pompeii". What makes this song on this version is Nick Mason's drumming. Also, he ends up making a mistake and his face shows it by him closing his eyes haha.
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Guy talks about One Of These Days on his channel. Crazy how easy he makes it sound. Post-Roger Floyd shows and David solo shows just made everything sound so... massive. I do not know how to describe it. Whether that makes it better, is a matter of opinion I guess.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKFJsxEMHMQ
Interesting you say that and something I agree with. I think the version of Echoes on Live in Gdansk is the definitive version of the song. Given that, I would love to see Dave take a stab at Atom Heart Mother in his solo setting and take that next-level epic feel he brought to Echoes to that song.
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Let me just say that ALL the recent Gilmour live albums sound fan-friggin'-tastic. The guy knows how to present music, if that makes any sense.
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https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/roger-waters-slams-mark-zuckerberg-rejecting-facebooks-offer-pink-floyd-song
Haha. Waters tells the Zuck, F U. No you can't use a PF song even if I get paid large.
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https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/roger-waters-slams-mark-zuckerberg-rejecting-facebooks-offer-pink-floyd-song
Haha. Waters tells the Zuck, F U. No you can't use a PF song even if I get paid large.
And yet Roger still uses FB (I believe) to promote himself, his music and his tours, and bitches that he cannot use Pink Floyd's official page to do so there as well. This is rich.
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https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/roger-waters-slams-mark-zuckerberg-rejecting-facebooks-offer-pink-floyd-song
Haha. Waters tells the Zuck, F U. No you can't use a PF song even if I get paid large.
And yet Roger still uses FB (I believe) to promote himself, his music and his tours, and bitches that he cannot use Pink Floyd's official page to do so there as well. This is rich.
This is bit of a false equivalence.
I occasionally shop at Walmart (I hate that place with a passion, and I try to avoid it, but sometimes it’s just cheap and necessary).
If they wanted to buy one of my throw away melodies for a jingle, I’d probably reluctantly cash the check. But if they said, “hey we want to pay you millions of dollars to use that song you wrote about the struggle of loving your bipolar wife, and how much she means to you” ….I would immediately tell them to go pound sand. Seriously, not only no, but hell no. How about this throw away melody instead?
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https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/roger-waters-slams-mark-zuckerberg-rejecting-facebooks-offer-pink-floyd-song
Haha. Waters tells the Zuck, F U. No you can't use a PF song even if I get paid large.
And yet Roger still uses FB (I believe) to promote himself, his music and his tours, and bitches that he cannot use Pink Floyd's official page to do so there as well. This is rich.
This is bit of a false equivalence.
I occasionally shop at Walmart (I hate that place with a passion, and I try to avoid it, but sometimes it’s just cheap and necessary).
If they wanted to buy one of my throw away melodies for a jingle, I’d probably reluctantly cash the check. But if they said, “hey we want to pay you millions of dollars to use that song you wrote about the struggle of loving your bipolar wife, and how much she means to you” ….I would immediately tell them to go pound sand. Seriously, not only no, but hell no. How about this throw away melody instead?
I get all of that, and if Roger had respectfully declined the request, I wouldn't have said what I said, but since he went balls deep on Zuckerberg while still using his platform to promote himself, he comes off as a bit of hypocrite. If FB and Zuckerberg are so awful (a sentiment I can mostly get on board with), he should want to distance himself from it as much as possible, no?
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With the caveat that hating on Facebook is like hating on the phone company at this point. You can hate on them all you want, but there’s nothing you can do about it because you’re still going to use the telephone
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For a landline?? :P
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For a landline?? :P
Whatever, boomer. :rollin :rollin
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Not everyone uses Facebook.
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Time to stop using myspace and your AOL email account, Tim. ;)
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Time to stop using myspace and your AOL email account, Tim. ;)
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https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/roger-waters-slams-mark-zuckerberg-rejecting-facebooks-offer-pink-floyd-song
Haha. Waters tells the Zuck, F U. No you can't use a PF song even if I get paid large.
And yet Roger still uses FB (I believe) to promote himself, his music and his tours, and bitches that he cannot use Pink Floyd's official page to do so there as well. This is rich.
This is bit of a false equivalence.
I occasionally shop at Walmart (I hate that place with a passion, and I try to avoid it, but sometimes it’s just cheap and necessary).
If they wanted to buy one of my throw away melodies for a jingle, I’d probably reluctantly cash the check. But if they said, “hey we want to pay you millions of dollars to use that song you wrote about the struggle of loving your bipolar wife, and how much she means to you” ….I would immediately tell them to go pound sand. Seriously, not only no, but hell no. How about this throw away melody instead?
I get all of that, and if Roger had respectfully declined the request, I wouldn't have said what I said, but since he went balls deep on Zuckerberg while still using his platform to promote himself, he comes off as a bit of hypocrite. If FB and Zuckerberg are so awful (a sentiment I can mostly get on board with), he should want to distance himself from it as much as possible, no?
I'll cop to being Team Dave as a general matter, but look, Roger is no idiot, but he's also no stranger to the accusations of hypocrisy either. Someone that strident is ripe for that accusation (and it's one of the reasons I haven't warmed to him more over the years). He HAS seemed to mellow a bit, but there are pieces of evidence - his interview with Dan Rather a couple years ago - that ideological consistency isn't necessarily his number one priority. Veering into P/R territory perhaps, but his adamant socialist views seem to be rooted in "other people's money", for example.
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I'll cop to being Team Dave as a general matter, but look, Roger is no idiot, but he's also no stranger to the accusations of hypocrisy either. Someone that strident is ripe for that accusation (and it's one of the reasons I haven't warmed to him more over the years). He HAS seemed to mellow a bit, but there are pieces of evidence - his interview with Dan Rather a couple years ago - that ideological consistency isn't necessarily his number one priority. Veering into P/R territory perhaps, but his adamant socialist views seem to be rooted in "other people's money", for example.
Call me crazy, but Roger's business actions usually tell me that he is very much a capitalist.
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Listened to Nick's Saucerful of Secrets today. I am not a fan of the early Floyd stuff, but I highly enjoyed this. Some of the songs I didn't even recognize. I do not know if I would care much if I didn't know it was Floyd, that Nick was spearheading this project, and my favorite bassist was part of it. Nick didn't want this to be a note-for-note recreation but wanted to capture the excitement and joy of that early era of the band, and I feel he succeeded 100%. I always enjoyed Astronomy Domine, One of These Days, and Arnold Layne as part of later Floyd/David tours. This release seems to likewise give new life to this material. Hoping to watch the Blu-Ray this weekend.
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I was literally just sitting down to watch the Blu Ray when I read this.
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I've seen clips on YT but haven't popped it in the player yet. Looking forward to it!
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Unless you are one of those strange peeps out there who thinks the band peaked at the beginning with Syd Barrett, and there are those who think that, it is a pretty much a given that Pink Floyd peaked in the mid to late 70's (Dark Side through The Wall).
Even though I have heard it now 3,311 times, Comfortably Numb is still amazing. It will never get old.
I don’t necessarily think they “peaked” with Barrett, but I have grown to have quite the affinity for the early years in general and Barrett’s material in particular.
His story is fascinating and I’m hoping to possibly read a biography on him soon.
I really like that stuff a lot too though it's clearly different than what came after. Doesn't make those songs any less great.
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Had the Saucerful of Secrets BD while I've been tooling around the house today, so not fully watching it uninterrupted, but seeing enough of it to finally say this is a spectacular release. I commented on the audio earlier, but seeing it live brings it up to a whole other level. Great editing, lighting, cinematography, everything. And to hear the guys talk about the project, you can tell how much it meant to all of them, and how much fun they had along the way. Bravo guys.
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I was gifted the Saucerful of Secrets BD and bought Us+Them BD last month.
The Us+Them BD is an amazing watch, I really regret missing that tour. The Pink Floyd songs were great, but I found myself enjoying the songs from Is This The Life We Really Want even more. I just wish he'd played the title track. I re-visited the album and still think it could have easily been the follow up to The Wall or The Final Cut.
With the caveat that hating on Facebook is like hating on the phone company at this point. You can hate on them all you want, but there’s nothing you can do about it because you’re still going to use the telephone
Agreed. And same exact thing goes for criticising capitalism; there's no realistic mean of criticising capitalism from without, you have to be within if you have any hope of reaching enough ears, you'll need to play by its rules and use it's methods to have your voice and art heard, otherwise you're no different than the talented guitar player at the subway station with a tip cup on the floor.
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I was gifted the Saucerful of Secrets BD and bought Us+Them BD last month.
The Us+Them BD is an amazing watch, I really regret missing that tour. The Pink Floyd songs were great, but I found myself enjoying the songs from Is This The Life We Really Want even more. I just wish he'd played the title track. I re-visited the album and still think it could have easily been the follow up to The Wall or The Final Cut.
With the caveat that hating on Facebook is like hating on the phone company at this point. You can hate on them all you want, but there’s nothing you can do about it because you’re still going to use the telephone
Agreed. And same exact thing goes for criticising capitalism; there's no realistic mean of criticising capitalism from without, you have to be within if you have any hope of reaching enough ears, you'll need to play by its rules and use it's methods to have your voice and art heard, otherwise you're no different than the talented guitar player at the subway station with a tip cup on the floor.
Why would you criticize capitalism?!? :) :) :) :) :)
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Why would you criticize capitalism?!? :) :) :) :) :)
I know!!
Anyone had a chance to listen to the remixed AMLOR? I finally got around to the whole thing and I really don't like it. They had a podcast made specifically to speak to Gilmour about it and he says that mainly it was done to make the album sound less dated in the 80's and more timeless like the 5 albums that came before it, which he had expressed before that he was dissatisfied with the sound in retrospect they shouldn't have dove so quickly into all the technologies that were showing up in the mid to late 80's, cause they were very soon bypassed and considered a trend of the time.
All good points and there's a possibility that if someone listens to remixed AMLOR for a first time experience with the album; they'd love it more than the old mix. But I find it as bland sounding as The Endless River and most of The Division Bell. I can't quite place it but I'd say it's probably the keyboard sound that's so heavily changed.
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Why would you criticize capitalism?!? :) :) :) :) :)
I know!!
Anyone had a chance to listen to the remixed AMLOR? I finally got around to the whole thing and I really don't like it. They had a podcast made specifically to speak to Gilmour about it and he says that mainly it was done to make the album sound less dated in the 80's and more timeless like the 5 albums that came before it, which he had expressed before that he was dissatisfied with the sound in retrospect they shouldn't have dove so quickly into all the technologies that were showing up in the mid to late 80's, cause they were very soon bypassed and considered a trend of the time.
All good points and there's a possibility that if someone listens to remixed AMLOR for a first time experience with the album; they'd love it more than the old mix. But I find it as bland sounding as The Endless River and most of The Division Bell. I can't quite place it but I'd say it's probably the keyboard sound that's so heavily changed.
I haven't heard it, but based on your review alone, I have zero interest in doing so now. It is their music and they can do what they want with it, but I am never a fan of bands doing remixes and retroactively removing elements of that era/time period from the album, as I view albums as a snapshot in time, and for good or for bad, the 80's elements are a big part of A Momentary Lapse of Reason, and rewritten history is not something I have interest in hearing.
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wasn't even aware that there was a remixed version. Just listened to it and yeah, no thanks. Feels like they sucked the soul out it.
Just leave stuff the way it is please.
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Wait, is it like a NEW new remix or are we talking about the one that came out along with all the other albums being rereleased a few years back?
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Am I the only person in the world who likes Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving With a Pict?
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Am I the only person in the world who likes Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving With a Pict?
No
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I find some of the looped sound effects sound like pretty cool beats.
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Am I the only person in the world who likes Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving With a Pict?
No
That is their best song. It's just so great no one can fathom how great it is.
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Am I the only person in the world who likes Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving With a Pict?
I've always loved that track. It cracked me up the first time I heard it, and pretty much every time since.
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Listened to Ummagumma for the first time. I like it. I think The Narrow Way is very underrated, the second part’s riff is really dark and pretty great and the third part has some really nice chord progressions.
Edit: Listened again. I even like The Grand Vizier's Garden Party, but I love experimental music.
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Ummagumma is a cool concept, and the execution is pretty good, too. I tend to listen to the live half more than the studio stuff, but it's all pretty good.
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Ummagumma is IMO “the worst of the best”
It’s the worst PF album, but that only speaks to the strength of their catalog. I still enjoy spinning it from time to time
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I dislike the studio disc of Ummagumma a lot, but the live disc is quite nice. The versions there of Astronomy Domine and A Saucerful of Secrets are both really good.
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I like all four of the live pieces. They're from a different time, when stuff a lot stronger than cannibus was pretty popular and available, and Pink Floyd was often a big part of the experience. By some accounts, those extended jams could go on for half an hour or more, and some of those accounts were written by people who were sober.
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I remember back when I was getting in to PF I listened to this a lot, and really wanted to like it. I enjoyed the first CD a bit, but the second was just lost on me, no matter how many listens I gave it.
This also reminded me that between after this, it wasn't until 1988 that they released another live album. That is crazy. Their contemporaries released how many live albums over that span?
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A lot of the appeal of Pink Floyd, to me anyway, is the amazing arrangements and production on their studio albums, especially that incredible run from Meddle through Animals. As much as I love live albums (I grew up in the 70's, after all), I always figured that it was next to impossible to capture the brilliance of their studio albums in a live setting. And while live videos like Pulse reveal that they do put on a great live show, I'd still rather listen to the studio versions anyway.
In other words, I didn't really miss not having a live Floyd album in the 70's. Their early stuff was more rooted in improvisation and jam, which is why I like the songs on the live half of Ummagumma more than their studio counterparts. Capturing a great jam in the studio is as rare as recreating the glory of layered guitars, keyboards, and vocals in a live setting. They're practically different media.
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A lot of the appeal of Pink Floyd, to me anyway, is the amazing arrangements and production on their studio albums, especially that incredible run from Meddle through Animals. As much as I love live albums (I grew up in the 70's, after all), I always figured that it was next to impossible to capture the brilliance of their studio albums in a live setting. And while live videos like Pulse reveal that they do put on a great live show, I'd still rather listen to the studio versions anyway.
In other words, I didn't really miss not having a live Floyd album in the 70's. Their early stuff was more rooted in improvisation and jam, which is why I like the songs on the live half of Ummagumma more than their studio counterparts. Capturing a great jam in the studio is as rare as recreating the glory of layered guitars, keyboards, and vocals in a live setting. They're practically different media.
For me, and I understand that it may just be me, but having seen Floyd live, the "experience" is so much a part of the event that it's hard to translate that to CD. I love the early live Floyd, primarily because it's different, it's improv a lot like Crimson was and so it was interesting. I love Floyd and I enjoy the live CDs (Pulse moreso than Delicate, but Delicate has aged well for me) but I can't help listening and thinking back to seeing them in Yankee Stadium and equating the visuals to that (which were STUNNING). The Wall Live is an interesting document but it feels so incomplete without the spectacle (which to me is one of the great misses in music history; a video document of the original Wall shows.)
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I'm sure it's not just you. Lots of people really love the experience of seeing, hearing, and experiencing a live show from a great band. So do I. But for me it still comes down to the music. The show can be amazing and add a lot, but I'm still there for the music first and foremost, with the "show" a distant second.
The first time I watched Pulse on my home theater, my mind was blown (though admittedly it had some pharmaceutical help). Incredible experience, and the closest I'll ever come to experiencing an actual Pink Floyd concert. Absolutely worth the time invested in it. Very cool. And now that I've done that, I'm fine listening to the studio albums. Even a band as amazing as Pink Floyd, I don't get off on "watching" the music. I listen to music. And without the visual experience to accompany it, the live show just doesn't grab me. Even on later stuff like the live version of "Comfortably Numb", that guitar solo is incredible, and I've watched it a few times. But listening to it without the visual is kinda boring. It sounds like a two-minute guitar solo stretched out to 10 minutes or whatever it is. It's just not nearly as interesting without the "experience" of the visuals and the live show.
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And without the visual experience to accompany it, the live show just doesn't grab me. Even on later stuff like the live version of "Comfortably Numb", that guitar solo is incredible, and I've watched it a few times. But listening to it without the visual is kinda boring. It sounds like a two-minute guitar solo stretched out to 10 minutes or whatever it is. It's just not nearly as interesting without the "experience" of the visuals and the live show.
I am absolutely with you on that one. I sometimes literally skip the live version of "Comfortably Numb", especially the Delicate Sound of Thunder version; each time it plays on my iPod / iTunes. I love the original guitar solo, but the audio only version doesn't really "bring me" anywhere so to speak. Slightly off topic, but Steve Vai's "For The Love of God" is the same to me. He sometimes (especially earlier in his career) just kept on dragging the end for a full 5 minutes...
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I was going to type out an erudite rebuttal on your thoughts of PF's live material, but think I will settle for saying y'all are crazy :)
I've said many times DSoT is maybe my most viewed film of any type, and possibly my most listened to album, and gun-to-the-proverbial-head, CN from that release is my #1 favorite song, so on that one I am biased. I was so excited when Pulse was released, but it was a bit of a letdown, as I didn't enjoy the material from TDB as much, and think playing DSotM in its entirety is a little bit of a slog.
Regardless of the merits of a 70s PF live album, I was just expressing surprise that there was never a release. I get the reasoning, even if I don't fully agree with it. I just figured it was something all bands did at some point in the decade, that's all.
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It would be a fascinating document, since their music evolved so much live. On the Immersion box sets there's a composite of a live show - meaning, if you have DSOTM and WYWH, there are live tracks on both sets that together are most of a '74 show from London, I believe - but nothing complete that I know of. The Early Years box set covers some of that stuff now; there are live versions of The Man And The Journey, Echoes, and Atom Heart Mother (which evolved a lot on stage) but there are still no complete shows from the DSOTM roll out, or the subsequent tours where they played You Gotta Be Crazy and Raving And Drooling.
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Nick Mason's Saucerful of Secrets hitting the road in 2022. Thought about hitting this up on the last tour but ultimately passed. Love the BD release, gave me a full appreciation for what Nick and the guys were bringing, and they hit it out of the park. And the date in Seattle is on a Saturday, which makes it much more tempting.
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That's awesome to hear he is going back out. I'll try to go if he is ever close.
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Nick Mason's Saucerful of Secrets hitting the road in 2022. Thought about hitting this up on the last tour but ultimately passed. Love the BD release, gave me a full appreciation for what Nick and the guys were bringing, and they hit it out of the park. And the date in Seattle is on a Saturday, which makes it much more tempting.
My younger brother and I were considering going, as this will be here in February, but it's on a damn Tuesday night, and concerts during the week just suck for me now. I suspect if one of us really wants to go and bugs the other enough, the other will give in, but I'd be surprised if that happens.
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Same here about the weeknights. I could say it is because it's hard for my wife to put both kids to bed by herself, (in reality, it is - as my 4 year old is in a significant "I want Daddy" phase right now) but I just don't like being out late on a night when I have to work the next day. And by "late" I mean past 8p.
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Same here about the weeknights. I could say it is because it's hard for my wife to put both kids to bed by herself, (in reality, it is - as my 4 year old is in a significant "I want Daddy" phase right now) but I just don't like being out late on a night when I have to work the next day. And by "late" I mean past 8p.
Haha, I know what you mean. My sleep sucks anyway, and I could always take off the next morning and go in for the afternoon at 1 pm (and I have tons of days to use), but I'd be awake at 6 am anyway, which means I'd be dead tired all day if I took off in the morning or not.
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I swear today I woke up at EXACTLY the same time my alarm goes off on work days. I woke up on my own, looked at the clock, and was all SERIOUSLY! IT'S A HOLIDAY!
Anyway, on topic.... I'll probably skip this, and just devote more time to watching this great video release. A little weird to think it would mean I'd get to see 1/2 of Pink Floyd (sorry, I am not including you in my count, Syd) when I long ago accepted I'd never get to see them live; and Guy, one of my favorite musicians.
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Anyway, on topic.... I'll probably skip this, and just devote more time to watching this great video release. A little weird to think it would mean I'd get to see 1/2 of Pink Floyd (sorry, I am not including you in my count, Syd) when I long ago accepted I'd never get to see them live; and Guy, one of my favorite musicians.
Even though I could not logistically make it work at the time due to work and other things, I will still forever kick myself for not going to Chicago with a buddy and his lady friend to see David Gilmour on the Rattle That Lock tour, but I still have memories of seeing Floyd at Arrowhead in KC in '94 to keep me happy, I suppose. :biggrin: :biggrin:
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It would be a fascinating document, since their music evolved so much live. On the Immersion box sets there's a composite of a live show - meaning, if you have DSOTM and WYWH, there are live tracks on both sets that together are most of a '74 show from London, I believe - but nothing complete that I know of. The Early Years box set covers some of that stuff now; there are live versions of The Man And The Journey, Echoes, and Atom Heart Mother (which evolved a lot on stage) but there are still no complete shows from the DSOTM roll out, or the subsequent tours where they played You Gotta Be Crazy and Raving And Drooling.
I am a little late to this, but to confirm, the '74 London show is available in its entirety across three releases. The live tracks on the 2CD Experience editions of WYWH and DSOTM (also on their respective Immersion box sets) make up the main set. So you do get both You Gotta Be Crazy and Raving And Drooling in official live releases, as well as a pre-release version of Shine On You Crazy Diamond as a single track, not broken in half as it is found on WYWH.
Unfortunately, the only way to get the Echoes encore is to buy the full box set of the The Early Early Years. It is on the "Bonus" Contunu/ation disc that was not released individually like all the other parts were.
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Nick Mason's Saucerful of Secrets hitting the road in 2022. Thought about hitting this up on the last tour but ultimately passed. Love the BD release, gave me a full appreciation for what Nick and the guys were bringing, and they hit it out of the park. And the date in Seattle is on a Saturday, which makes it much more tempting.
I kicked myself for not seeing his first tour. Not making the same mistake twice. Got my tix for DC in January.
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A bunch of concerts have apparently shown up on some streaming services from the '70 to '72 era.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/pink-floyd-surprise-release-dozen-220939287.html
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A bunch of concerts have apparently shown up on some streaming services from the '70 to '72 era.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/pink-floyd-surprise-release-dozen-220939287.html
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That's really cool, I can't wait to take a listen.
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Thanks for posting, will check these out.
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A bunch of concerts have apparently shown up on some streaming services from the '70 to '72 era.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/pink-floyd-surprise-release-dozen-220939287.html
I just bought the Rome one off of iTunes. It sounds like a raw, almost bootleg quality recordings that have not been mixed or mastered in any way (definitely not up to par with the material in The Early Years). That being said, I will eventually get all of them. Still a very enjoyable listen.
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I’m actually kind of bummed that these aren’t getting physical releases. I hate digital only stuff.
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Those shows are from what is probably my favorite period of live Floyd. (Inter)stellar!
The titles seem to be "bootleggy" in nature; I don't know if that is meant as a jab or a pun. As the press statement says, the releases themselves are for copyright reasons.
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new song "Hey Hey Rise Up"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saEpkcVi1d4
https://variety.com/2022/music/news/pink-floyd-new-single-ukraine-hey-rise-up-davvid-gilmour-nick-mason-1235227513/
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Not a bad little song. I wish David would've sung a little of it, but it was done for a good cause. Always nice to hear David playing guitar.
Not surprisingly, nimrods loyal to a fault to Roger are losing their minds over this, but those people lost the plot decades ago. :lol :lol
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Yeah Kev. Just be happy they did this for a great cause.
That 2008 reunion was a 1 off.
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That was amazing.
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Sorry for the bump... is it wrong to think this would rank among my Top 20 PF songs? This is just fantastic. Imagine Instagram'ing yourself singing a song for 45 seconds, then finding out David Gilmour gets his buddies together to write music to it.
A simple song, a simple message, a simple video, no grandstanding... Contrast that with the video Roger made supporting Ukraine, and then birdwalking to denounce Bush and the Iraq War, Israel's occupation of Palestine, and basically every war and conflict that has happened in the past century, and how we must stand with BLM, BDS, and the rest of the alphabet soup of approved organizations. By the end I forgot what the original topic was.
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Sorry for the bump... is it wrong to think this would rank among my Top 20 PF songs? This is just fantastic. Imagine Instagram'ing yourself singing a song for 45 seconds, then finding out David Gilmour gets his buddies together to write music to it.
Not at all. We all like what we like! :tup :tup
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Chris, have you only heard 19 Pink Floyd songs?
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YES!
I was being a bit hyperbolic. I don't mean to say this could supplant a vast number of their fantastic tunes. But it is way better than it should be, if you get my thinking.
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Nick Mason's Saucerful of Secrets rebooked their US tour. The Seattle show is on Halloween, which is always a big day for our family. Oof. Looks like they are playing Echoes this time around too. Damn I would love to see that live, even if it is just Nick in the band and no David or Rick.
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I think it's great that Gilmour is using the huge name Pink Floyd as a platform to do something good.
But that song is just... not good at all in my opinion. Playing is lazy, production is just bland and lacks attention to detail. David not singing doesn't make it better.
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Has anyone seen David Gilmour live recently? If so, could you help with some questions? I was told that he talks about politics in between some of the songs. How much does that happen? Also what's the general vibe like? Lots of profanity or is it family-friendly-ish?
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Has anyone seen David Gilmour live recently? If so, could you help with some questions? I was told that he talks about politics in between some of the songs. How much does that happen? Also what's the general vibe like? Lots of profanity or is it family-friendly-ish?
I assume you mean Roger Waters, right?
Because outside of a few one-offs where he played like one or two songs, David Gilmour has not toured since 2016, and he never talks politics at concerts (he rarely says much between songs, IIRC).
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I was gonna say, David seems to staid to curse.
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Thanks Kev, sorry, that is what I meant!
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I've not seen Gilmour live solo (I've seen him with Pink Floyd) but in all his concert videos he rarely says anything at all to the audience, and while I've heard him swear in interviews, I can't imagine he would on stage. He's a very "stiff upper lip" kind of guy. Now, Roger Waters on the other hand.......
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I've not seen Gilmour live solo (I've seen him with Pink Floyd) but in all his concert videos he rarely says anything at all to the audience, and while I've heard him swear in interviews, I can't imagine he would on stage. He's a very "stiff upper lip" kind of guy. Now, Roger Waters on the other hand.......
As Kev pointed out, I meant Roger Waters (whoops)! I’ve never followed Pink Floyd super closely. How would you describe Waters’ live presence?
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I've not seen Gilmour live solo (I've seen him with Pink Floyd) but in all his concert videos he rarely says anything at all to the audience, and while I've heard him swear in interviews, I can't imagine he would on stage. He's a very "stiff upper lip" kind of guy. Now, Roger Waters on the other hand.......
As Kev pointed out, I meant Roger Waters (whoops)! I’ve never followed Pink Floyd super closely. How would you describe Waters’ live presence?
My opinion (from videos, as I have not seen him live myself)? Aggressive.
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I've seen him twice. It gets both political and dirty. If you're only into rocking out to a concert, it might probably rub you the wrong way.
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Cool, that’s what I’d heard but I wanted to confirm. Thanks!
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Yeah, roger waters puts on a great show (the wall tour was just incredible) but you’re definitely going to hear rogers view (from the top) of the world at the concert :lol
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Yeah, roger waters puts on a great show (the wall tour was just incredible) but you’re definitely going to hear rogers view (from the top) of the world at the concert :lol
:lol
Yes, and he doesn't care either. When he toured Texas during his last run, I went to the San Antonio show and he just trashed Trump and showed images and shit. I'm not a Trump supporter but you could hear the whispers and the awkward silence of the crowd since a lot of Texas support/supported Trump when Rogers toured Texas. I would put it under "aggressive" like what Stads said. At least that is how he did it in Texas. The show, the lights, and the music were superb though. His rants did not keep me from enjoying the music.
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Given that Roger has been lip synching a lot of the music live for years now, I am guessing he saves his voice for the political rants. :lol :lol
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Yeah, roger waters puts on a great show (the wall tour was just incredible) but you’re definitely going to hear rogers view (from the top) of the world at the concert :lol
:lol
Yes, and he doesn't care either. When he toured Texas during his last run, I went to the San Antonio show and he just trashed Trump and showed images and shit. I'm not a Trump supporter but you could hear the whispers and the awkward silence of the crowd since a lot of Texas support/supported Trump when Rogers toured Texas. I would put it under "aggressive" like what Stads said. At least that is how he did it in Texas. The show, the lights, and the music were superb though. His rants did not keep me from enjoying the music.
Yeah, I know there were quite a few issues on that tour, but quite why Trump supporters are going to a Waters gig in the first place is beyond me
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Yeah, roger waters puts on a great show (the wall tour was just incredible) but you’re definitely going to hear rogers view (from the top) of the world at the concert :lol
:lol
Yes, and he doesn't care either. When he toured Texas during his last run, I went to the San Antonio show and he just trashed Trump and showed images and shit. I'm not a Trump supporter but you could hear the whispers and the awkward silence of the crowd since a lot of Texas support/supported Trump when Rogers toured Texas. I would put it under "aggressive" like what Stads said. At least that is how he did it in Texas. The show, the lights, and the music were superb though. His rants did not keep me from enjoying the music.
Yeah, I know there were quite a few issues on that tour, but quite why Trump supporters are going to a Waters gig in the first place is beyond me
I don't follow that; I've been to two shows where the singer was booed for his political diatribes - REM and Springsteen - and in a blue state at that. I didn't boo myself, but certainly Stipe's rant was not up my alley. Doesn't mean I can't like their music. There are plenty of bands whose politics don't jibe with mine - including Waters - and I would go to see him in a heartbeat if it didn't take an entire car payment to do it (commie my ass! I kid! I kid! I kid!).
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Warner Music today announced the upcoming release of Pink Floyd's 'Animals' on Deluxe Gatefold, CD, LP, Blu-ray and SACD. The individual versions will be available on September 16, 2022 with the Deluxe version available from October 7, 2022. This is the first time the album will have been available on 5.1 Surround Sound. 'Animals' is the tenth studio album by Pink Floyd, originally released in January 1977. It was recorded at the band's Britannia Row Studios in London throughout 1976 and early 1977, and was produced by the band themselves. The successful album peaked at number 2 in the UK and number 3 in the US, and is considered as one of the band's best works. The album was recorded by band members David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters and Richard Wright. 'Animals 2018 Remix' will be released on CD, LP (with gatefold artwork), Blu-ray, SACD and Deluxe Gatefold formats. The Deluxe Gatefold version includes LP, CD, audio Blu-ray, audio DVD and a 32-page book. The Blu-ray and DVD audio include the 2018 remix in Stereo, 5.1 Surround (both by James Guthrie) and the original 1977 Stereo mix. The 32-page booklet features rarely seen behind the scenes photographs of the album sleeve shoot along with live images and memorabilia. The album artwork has been reimagined for this release.
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I'm trying to remember, is it true that the release was delayed because Roger wanted to do the liner notes and David wasn't into the idea? If so, what is the end result, does the reissue feature the liner notes or not?
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https://www.pinkfloydz.com/pink-floyd-animals-deluxe-edition-released-september-16th-2022/ (https://www.pinkfloydz.com/pink-floyd-animals-deluxe-edition-released-september-16th-2022/)
"What precipitated this note is that there are new James Guthrie Stereo and 5.1 mixes of the Pink Floyd album, "Animals”, 1977,” begins Waters. "These mixes have languished unreleased because of a dispute over some sleeve notes that Mark Blake has written for this new release. Gilmour has vetoed the release of the album unless these liner notes are removed. He does not dispute the veracity of the history described in Mark's notes, but he wants that history to remain secret. I am agreeing to the release of the new ‘Animals' remix, with the sleeve notes removed", Waters continues. "Good work James Guthrie by the way, and sorry Mark Blake. The final draft of the liner notes was fact checked and agreed as factually correct by me, Nick and Gilmour".
Waters then goes on to share Blake's liner notes for the set, which fans can read on his Facebook page.
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I can't find the liner notes on his FB page though.
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https://www.pinkfloydz.com/pink-floyd-animals-deluxe-edition-released-september-16th-2022/ (https://www.pinkfloydz.com/pink-floyd-animals-deluxe-edition-released-september-16th-2022/)
"What precipitated this note is that there are new James Guthrie Stereo and 5.1 mixes of the Pink Floyd album, "Animals”, 1977,” begins Waters. "These mixes have languished unreleased because of a dispute over some sleeve notes that Mark Blake has written for this new release. Gilmour has vetoed the release of the album unless these liner notes are removed. He does not dispute the veracity of the history described in Mark's notes, but he wants that history to remain secret. I am agreeing to the release of the new ‘Animals' remix, with the sleeve notes removed", Waters continues. "Good work James Guthrie by the way, and sorry Mark Blake. The final draft of the liner notes was fact checked and agreed as factually correct by me, Nick and Gilmour".
Waters then goes on to share Blake's liner notes for the set, which fans can read on his Facebook page.
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I can't find the liner notes on his FB page though.
You can read them here (scroll down a little)
https://rogerwaters.com/animals-new-mix-update/
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I honestly have no idea what Gilmour's issue is with those notes. Nothing terrible and all really nice history.
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It might be that it give Waters a lot of (Almost all?) the credit for everything, idk ???
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Admittedly, I'm sort of Team Gilmour on a lot of this, if for no other reason that I'm not all that sympathetic to the bitterness; it's not as if Roger was relegated to the dust bin as a result of anything Gilmour did. From my vantage point, all Gilmour did was not kowtow low enough. Contrast that with Rick Wright who was essentially exiled for a period by Waters.
I don't know if it's Gilmour denying truth or anything like that; I can sort of see Gilmour not wanting to inject the bitterness into the release. It's already a dark, bleak (albeit excellent) record.
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Yeah, the only takeaway I have from those notes is Roger takes quite a bit (all?) of the credit for things. They seem to have quite a relationship these days. :D
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I can't believe Roger Waters is complaining about something again, said no one in the history of the world.
But their feud at this point is one-sided. Gilmour never says anything. Meanwhile, Waters is still the bitter old man yelling about anything and everything. Too bad, cause it seemed like he had mellowed out a bit years ago, but something must have happened to reignite his angry bastard fire.
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David did make a very brief statement about this. And I’m sure it’s possible he has ulterior motives that he doesn’t wish to communicate. But his public statement was something to the effect that prior releases didn’t have any history or liner notes and the the Pink Floyd image was very enigmatic and mysterious and he felt that the releases up to this point have reflected that and he didn’t see any reason that should change.
Shrug
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David did make a very brief statement about this. And I’m sure it’s possible he has ulterior motives that he doesn’t wish to communicate. But his public statement was something to the effect that prior releases didn’t have any history or liner notes and the the Pink Floyd image was very enigmatic and mysterious and he felt that the releases up to this point have reflected that and he didn’t see any reason that should change.
Shrug
He's not wrong.
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I can't believe Roger Waters is complaining about something again, said no one in the history of the world.
But their feud at this point is one-sided. Gilmour never says anything. Meanwhile, Waters is still the bitter old man yelling about anything and everything. Too bad, cause it seemed like he had mellowed out a bit years ago, but something must have happened to reignite his angry bastard fire.
I felt the same way, hell there was even a point where they seemed friendly.
btw I love the new cover of Animals. I always thought it was the weakest of the 70's albums but I'm excited to get this release.
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That new cover does look sharp.
I have never bought a new release of an album I already owned, with a couple exceptions that had some additional material included, such as live, demo and/or unreleased tracks. This album could change that trend, depending on price.
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I suspect I will end up passing on this once I see the price, but I have a friend who will get it, and he has a super duper awesome surround sound system, so I will still get to hear it. Hearing Dogs and Sheep both in surround sound will inspire much awe (not as excited about Pigs, as that song has never been a favorite of mine).
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That's one thing about Floyd; they specifically always seem to be a click more expensive than other releases. I don't know if that's great marketing, because the market demands it, or something else, but I can't imagine this is going to be a no-brainer from a cost perspective. For Floyd, in particular, I usually wait until I can get it on eBay or Discogs at a discount. I'm all for supporting the artists I love, but David Gilmour is in the elite levels of rock star wealth, and Roger, well, I'm just expediting the wealth reallocation... :) :) ;)
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David did make a very brief statement about this. And I’m sure it’s possible he has ulterior motives that he doesn’t wish to communicate. But his public statement was something to the effect that prior releases didn’t have any history or liner notes and the the Pink Floyd image was very enigmatic and mysterious and he felt that the releases up to this point have reflected that and he didn’t see any reason that should change.
Shrug
Probably on team Roger with most things, but this makes a lot of sense to me. There are books available if you want to read about that stuff. Gilmour has always largely been about the music from those years. Robert Fripp is the somewhat opposite but each has established precedents.
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I finally watched the Delicate Sound of Thunder Bluray I bought over a year ago. I never watched the original video release so can't compare but this new updated version looks really good and the sound is great. I kinda regret not getting the Later Years set seeing as it sells for insane amounts, it would have been worth it at the time as you were getting several albums. The PULSE bluray is also available as a standalone set now but looks like all they did was upscale it rather than a new transfer like Delicate. Will have to read more and see if it's worth it. The delicate box set is fantastic IMO.
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I finally watched the Delicate Sound of Thunder Bluray I bought over a year ago. I never watched the original video release so can't compare but this new updated version looks really good and the sound is great. I kinda regret not getting the Later Years set seeing as it sells for insane amounts, it would have been worth it at the time as you were getting several albums. The PULSE bluray is also available as a standalone set now but looks like all they did was upscale it rather than a new transfer like Delicate. Will have to read more and see if it's worth it. The delicate box set is fantastic IMO.
For someone like yourself, who never saw the original Delicate Sound of Thunder VHS, I am sure that Blu-ray was totally awesome.
For someone like me, who used to watch the original VHS all the time, the Blu-ray felt like revisionist history. By de-emphasizing a lot of the sounds of that era (the 80s, the horror!), the Blu-ray is not a faithful representation of what they sounded like in late 80s.
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I agree with you Kev, I actually really don't care for the remaster of Momentary Lapse either. That album was one of the first I remember hearing so the remaster sounds incredibly jarring to me.
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I've said the original VHS may be my most watched video ever, so it will always have a special place in my memories. I've only watched the BD once, and marvel at how beautiful it looks. I was more focused on the visuals I didn't listen close enough to notice changes to the sound, outside of some instances that didn't bother me. I've yet to just listen to it without the video.
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Visually it was still very 80s, not sure how much of the re-edit removed the old stuff, I'll try and track down a VHS/laserdisc copy of it one day. I did a quick audio comparison of the 1988 and I can see how the new 2019 remix has really muted the 80s feel of the album. I mean it's still there but less in your face with the snare sound and the textures flying all around. I haven't listened to the 2019 one that much, I might just stick to the original one even though it seems to have fewer tracks.
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Has been ages since I've re-listened to Pink Floyd, catching up on the 2011 Remaster of Dark Side of the Moon. I do have the original CD as well, going to listen to that to compare how much difference there is. The various releases on each album is going to drive any completist crazy, I would've been broke if I even attempted to complete their discography.
Listening to Meddle after years, the opening couple of mins of Fearless was the song that was in my head some months ago and I was trying to track the song and at the time assumed it was a Led Zepplin track. Some of the acoustic-driven tracks on Meddle could easily pass for LZ tracks.
Obscured By Clouds is next.
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So, Waters' tour began last night, and he apparently ends In the Flesh by firing at the crowd with a fake semi-automatic. Good grief. I knew he has done that in the past, but given the current climate and how politically conscious he seems to be, it is unreal that he would think that is a good idea.
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I dunno. Five years ago in Paris, Till Lindemann of Rammstein dressed himself as a suicide bomber and "blew himself up" on stage, just less than a year after the terrorist attacks. The crowd understood it and loved it.
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Blowing yourself up is still something that you watch more than participate in. Sure, if it was real, there would be collateral damage, but within the context of a metal show, it's just spectacle.
Someone "pretending" to spray you with an automatic weapon doesn't give you the choice to just watch. You react, and I would think that the reactions were not universally positive. It seems like a completely stupid thing to do in the name of entertainment. If that's not what he was going for, and it was another example of Waters making a point, or whatever, then this just confirms to me what an asshole he is.
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Blowing yourself up is still something that you watch more than participate in. Sure, if it was real, there would be collateral damage, but within the context of a metal show, it's just spectacle.
Someone "pretending" to spray you with an automatic weapon doesn't give you the choice to just watch. You react, and I would think that the reactions were not universally positive. It seems like a completely stupid thing to do in the name of entertainment. If that's not what he was going for, and it was another example of Waters making a point, or whatever, then this just confirms to me what an asshole he is.
"Asshole" is subjective (though I agree with you) but that's Roger. He's the kind of guy that things that people can and should be "shocked" into agreement. As if standing there listening to his angry screeds is going to enlighten anybody. I think Roger has lost a bit of his perspective in that regard; that he's angry doesn't mean it's right or appropriate. No one has a market on being "angry".
For someone like me, that doesn't believe the problem is "guns" per se, I'd be sitting there thinking, "if the guns are so fucking bad, why are YOU shooting it? What's making it so important that YOU get to make that statement?"
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So, Waters' tour began last night, and he apparently ends In the Flesh by firing at the crowd with a fake semi-automatic. Good grief. I knew he has done that in the past, but given the current climate and how politically conscious he seems to be, it is unreal that he would think that is a good idea.
As always he's still trying to make the point.
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I listened to some of the DSoT remix today, albeit on headphones while at work, and I didn't find the changes too bothersome. I could recognize some changes, but nothing that was jarring or distracting.
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Blowing yourself up is still something that you watch more than participate in. Sure, if it was real, there would be collateral damage, but within the context of a metal show, it's just spectacle.
Someone "pretending" to spray you with an automatic weapon doesn't give you the choice to just watch. You react, and I would think that the reactions were not universally positive. It seems like a completely stupid thing to do in the name of entertainment. If that's not what he was going for, and it was another example of Waters making a point, or whatever, then this just confirms to me what an asshole he is.
"Asshole" is subjective (though I agree with you) but that's Roger. He's the kind of guy that things that people can and should be "shocked" into agreement. As if standing there listening to his angry screeds is going to enlighten anybody. I think Roger has lost a bit of his perspective in that regard; that he's angry doesn't mean it's right or appropriate. No one has a market on being "angry".
For someone like me, that doesn't believe the problem is "guns" per se, I'd be sitting there thinking, "if the guns are so fucking bad, why are YOU shooting it? What's making it so important that YOU get to make that statement?"
I know it's lame to quote yourself, but I DID ask "what's making it so important that YOU get to make that statement", and apparently, it's Roger himself. In his own words, he considers himself "far, far more important" than artists like Drake and The Weeknd (https://variety.com/2022/music/news/roger-waters-pink-floyd-weeknd-drake-1235318422/).
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I have no idea who The Weeknd or Drake are, so I do have to agree with Rog on that. (Up until just now I thought The Weeknd were a group...)
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I don't necessarily disagree with his statement itself - Pink Floyd has several albums that have reached such a classic status that 50 years later they are still being talked, discussed and discovered by new people all over the world. Right now at this moment in time it's also fair to say that Roger Waters as a musician is less relevant than Drake or The Weeknd. I'd be curious to see how their legacy shapes up because it's not like either of them has produced a modern day Dark Side of the Moon (or something to that affect) and as big as they may be now - how big will they be 50 years from now? Will people still talk about their music in the same fashion people talk about the music Roger Waters has been part of?
With all of that said I think the fact he feels a need to bang his own drum makes him come off as a grumpy grandpa a bit out of touch with the reality today and I don't think arrogance or a feel of self importance is ever a good look even if the person has achieved great things.
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I said in another thread, in a different context, if you have to tell people how important you are... maybe you're not that important. :)
I know Roger holds this stuff with a tremendous amount of gravity, but talking about politics doesn't make you important (and yes, I am aware what I'm saying).
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I said in another thread, in a different context, if you have to tell people how important you are... maybe you're not that important. :)
I know Roger holds this stuff with a tremendous amount of gravity, but talking about politics doesn't make you important (and yes, I am aware what I'm saying).
I think it's also about demographics. I have a feeling that most people in the Drake/Weeknd camp will see these headlines and go "Roger who?!". It's artists relevant to different people (both culture and age) and while I'm sure there's a small sliver of overlap between fans this feels like such a weird grouping to begin with. Never before has Roger Waters been referenced in the same context as Drake or The Weeknd.
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Yes, but Roger has, not one, but two albums that have sold over 15 million. As far as I can tell, not even the Beatles have matched that.
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Yes, but Roger has, not one, but two albums that have sold over 15 million. As far as I can tell, not even the Beatles have matched that.
No, Roger has one gold record (Pros and Cons). Pink Floyd has two diamonds - DSOTM at 15M and The Wall at 23M. That's actually 15M and 11.5M, though because doubles count, well, double. The Beatles have three: Sgt. Pepper at 11M, Abbey Road at 12M and TWA at 24M, which is really 12M, because that's a double. (I'm using RIAA numbers, by the way).
I said Roger has only one gold record, but the two Roger-less Floyd records are both platinum (4M and 3M) and Dave's first TWO solo records are gold. I'm not saying this to argue with you, but just to say that maybe Roger has an over-inflated sense of himself. He seems like to take credit.
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I was actually referring to the PF records you mentioned with his involvement. Which is still worlds better than anything those other two artists will ever do.
Still a dick thing to say, but…
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I love Roger Waters but I cringe at some of the thingd he says.
Sure with Pink Floyd Roger has some classic albums but... I saw a list today of all songs that have been certified diamond. That's 10 times platinum certified. There were several songs there by both The Weekend and Drake but none from Pink Floyd or Roger Waters.
They are much more popular today and the Canadian papers that Roger lashed out at did the right thing by writing about them over Roger.
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I was actually referring to the PF records you mentioned with his involvement. Which is still worlds better than anything those other two artists will ever do.
Still a dick thing to say, but…
Drake has three albums over 4x Platinum
Weeknd has two over 4x, and one at 2x (released in 2020).
I'm not singing the praises of either of these guys; the Weeknd can sing (obs can't spell) but Drake is a non-entity to me. I just hate the sort of musical snobbery. So fucking what that Roger is singing about politics? In my world, that's not a virtue, that's part of the problem.
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I saw this over the weeknd (pun intended) and was wondering if someone was gonna post it here. :P
To me, the statement being true and Roger saying it are two separate issues.
The idea of who is more important all depends on which generation you ask.
Roger actually saying it reminds me of those celebs who pull the, "Don't you know who I am?" line. If you have to loudly proclaim how important you are, you probably aren't as important as you think. Like Bill said, the brand name that is important is Pink Floyd. Not Roger Waters. Not David Gilmour. Pink Floyd.
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BTW comparing sold albums to modern platforms wouldn't work anyway? The digital platform is far bigger than records have ever been. I love Pink Floyd but I don't think anything like Beatles, PF etc. can compare to the reach modern music gets, no matter how influencal they have been for their time. Guessing a bit and basing it on some articles. But basically, we are in a global world, we have digital platforms, there's more money per person in the world etc. At the same time hard to say how much the music will stay important for that era when looking back. PF didn't compete with the same amount of music as what we have now and really stand out for that era, meanwhile today's music easier gets lost or doesn't stick for as long for various reasons.
Also, would be nice for Roger to get back to earth. He has been stuck on Mars for quite some time now. Never liked how The Wall became politics, with a clear statement, instead of being art where the subject and importance is derived for every individual. And then talking about importance, is he saying that he is important for standing up against the rise of fascism? Because I don't think he is. Actually I am sure most people watch The Wall for completely different reasons than it's complex and deep understanding on the subject or Roger screaming out "don't trust the government" etc. on stage. For me Roger sure as hell didn't impact that much. School and much smarter people have learnt me about the fascism and it's history.
Haha weird how statements like this actually make me want Drake and Weeknd to become lasting legacies just so Roger can be wrong 😁
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I've been saying for years I'd love to see Roger pick up an acoustic guitar, put together a small band, and just play some songs. No big bombast, just some songs. I really loved those lockdown sessions he did, I'd have loved him to have played some small acoustic dates and put out a live album or something. Listening to him sing Gunner's Dream or Two Suns in the Sunset in a small, intimate setting like that was far more powerful and emotionally affecting than in some mega-stadium with inflatables and lasers and random architecture and political slogans and whatnot.
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BTW comparing sold albums to modern platforms wouldn't work anyway? The digital platform is far bigger than records have ever been. I love Pink Floyd but I don't think anything like Beatles, PF etc. can compare to the reach modern music gets, no matter how influencal they have been for their time. Guessing a bit and basing it on some articles. But basically, we are in a global world, we have digital platforms, there's more money per person in the world etc. At the same time hard to say how much the music will stay important for that era when looking back. PF didn't compete with the same amount of music as what we have now and really stand out for that era, meanwhile today's music easier gets lost or doesn't stick for as long for various reasons.
I like your point here, and it's an important one; what I would want to know, though, is whether that greater reach actually DILUTES the message. So much of music (and art in general) is disposable, that we're past our saturation point. I used to get an album and IMMERSE muself in it. Sit and read all the liner notes. Listen to albums over and over again, because I didn't have that much to compete with. Now, I buy a CD and easily half or more of them I listen to once and if it doesn't grab me it goes on the shelf, until I need to listen again for a roulette, a concert, or a ranking. How many of us - especially those of us over a certain age, say 35 - can recite all the little interludes on an album like The Wall? I can tell you most of the background narrative on Dark Side of the Moon ("Why should I be frightened of dying. There's no reason for it; you gotta go sometime." or "I don't know, I was really drunk at the time... haha yeah... I was in the right!" "I certainly WAS in the right!") yet I can barely tell you what half the songs on the new Wolfie Van Halen sound like, and I LIKE that record.
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I used to get an album and IMMERSE muself in it. Sit and read all the liner notes. Listen to albums over and over again, because I didn't have that much to compete with. Now, I buy a CD and easily half or more of them I listen to once and if it doesn't grab me it goes on the shelf, until I need to listen again for a roulette, a concert, or a ranking. How many of us - especially those of us over a certain age, say 35 - can recite all the little interludes on an album like The Wall? I can tell you most of the background narrative on Dark Side of the Moon ("Why should I be frightened of dying. There's no reason for it; you gotta go sometime." or "I don't know, I was really drunk at the time... haha yeah... I was in the right!" "I certainly WAS in the right!")...
You perfectly described me.
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Pink Floyd are reportedly selling their back catalogue.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/pink-floyd-make-a-stash-to-tune-of-400m-with-sale-of-back-catalogue-sw82b3mkm (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/pink-floyd-make-a-stash-to-tune-of-400m-with-sale-of-back-catalogue-sw82b3mkm) (Paywall link)
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I can't read that, but how does that work? Given that I would think all of the living members would have to be in agreement with this, and Roger never agrees with anyone anymore on anything, it is hard to imagine he and David coming to a mutual agreement on this to where both were content.
This is definitely a new trend, though. They are just the latest in what is becoming a long line of legacy artists who are selling their back catalogue for a bundle.
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Anyone get the 5.1 of Animals that finally was released? I didn't, but a buddy did and I listened to it at his house the other day. It sounded good, but solidified the fact that I have heard enough 5.1s now that I have little to no interest in ever buying anymore. Far too often, moments of great emphasis or punch are lost in the surround sound experience because the 5.1 focuses too much on fleshing everything out.
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I'm still planning on getting it someday. I've only ever gotten 5.1 mixes of albums I really love and know very well. For me, the big draw is separation. I want to hear all the instruments, everything that's there. If there are three electric guitars and an acoustic all blending together to make an awesome sound, that's great, but I also want to hear each guitar separately. Are they playing different inversions? How do the strumming or picking patterns combine and complement each other?
Anyway, I don't know if any of that applies to Animals, but I'm assuming it does because I've been listening to that album for 40+ years and still hear parts I didn't hear before, there's so much going on. I want to hear them all! And if that fucks with the actual mix or the impact of any given section, yeah, that's bad. But 5.1 is not much usual listening mode. I break out the 5.1 and sit in the sweet spot in the middle of the couch only when I have the house to myself, which is rare these days. The stereo mix is what I'll always return to. But I love checking out a good 5.1 mix. I want to hear everything. It's almost like a "purely academic" interest.
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I'm still planning on getting it someday. I've only ever gotten 5.1 mixes of albums I really love and know very well. For me, the big draw is separation. I want to hear all the instruments, everything that's there. If there are three electric guitars and an acoustic all blending together to make an awesome sound, that's great, but I also want to hear each guitar separately. Are they playing different inversions? How do the strumming or picking patterns combine and complement each other?
Anyway, I don't know if any of that applies to Animals, but I'm assuming it does because I've been listening to that album for 40+ years and still hear parts I didn't hear before, there's so much going on. I want to hear them all! And if that fucks with the actual mix or the impact of any given section, yeah, that's bad. But 5.1 is not much usual listening mode. I break out the 5.1 and sit in the sweet spot in the middle of the couch only when I have the house to myself, which is rare these days. The stereo mix is what I'll always return to. But I love checking out a good 5.1 mix. I want to hear everything. It's almost like a "purely academic" interest.
I get all of this. Very well said, sir.
I guess for me, I just know I would listen to them once and never go back, and a longtime friend buys 90% of the ones I'd also buy, so I can always just listen to his when he buys them. :biggrin:
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That's the way to go, then. :tup
So far, I've bought about 90% of the ones I want, too.
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Anyone get the 5.1 of Animals that finally was released? I didn't, but a buddy did and I listened to it at his house the other day. It sounded good, but solidified the fact that I have heard enough 5.1s now that I have little to no interest in ever buying anymore. Far too often, moments of great emphasis or punch are lost in the surround sound experience because the 5.1 focuses too much on fleshing everything out.
Planning on it, but I really don't care about 5.1.
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I managed to score some these Immersion sets for $30 (TDSOTM) & $20 (The Wall), they were missing a disc or two in each that didn't matter to me. Everything else is there and the package is truly well put. Love the big photo album that came with them. On the lookout for the Wish You Were Here Immersion set now.
(https://imgur.com/9mB5toB.jpg)
Anyone get the 5.1 of Animals that finally was released? I didn't, but a buddy did and I listened to it at his house the other day. It sounded good, but solidified the fact that I have heard enough 5.1s now that I have little to no interest in ever buying anymore. Far too often, moments of great emphasis or punch are lost in the surround sound experience because the 5.1 focuses too much on fleshing everything out.
That's on my list to get as well.
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Here's the direct link if that helps.
https://i.imgur.com/9mB5toB.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/9mB5toB.jpg)
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I picked up the 2018 remix CD that was released in the fall. Gotta say, I really enjoyed it. I'd call me a big time casual fan of Pink Floyd. I'm certainly not a hardcore, and most passionate about the Meddle-The Wall period. I'm not surprised how much I loved the new mix though, considering it was done by James Guthrie.
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March 1 marked the 50th birthday of Dark Side Of The Moon. Hard to believe I've been listening to it for that long. This was a game changer for me and millions of others. Tonight I shall celebrate with a glass of Merlot and my headphones...and remember all the memories tied to this masterpiece.
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Ha ha, when I saw that this thread was bumped I assumed it was because Roger Waters just released the first glimpse of his solo version of The Dark Side of the Moon, which I saw just half an hour ago. I haven't listened to it, and have no plans to, but I'm not surprised that it's getting roasted online.
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I’m assuming this is the clip you’re referring to:
https://youtu.be/TPDNQYhNyGQ
This sounds dreadful
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Yep. Still didn't listen to it, though. I'll take your word for it.
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To go from the original vocal of "Us & Them" to that of a 79-year old Roger Waters is horrible. Absolutely no need for this! Sure, it's basically all his. But, it's unnecessary.
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There’s a touring group called Classic Albums Live and they stopped in my area and did DSOTM, note for note in its entirety, without any breaks, and they nailed it. The second half of the show they played Pink Floyd’s greatest hits. They obviously closed with Comfortably Numb and I was hoping the guitarist did the solo justice and he did not disappoint. If they come to your neck of the woods I highly recommend it!
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I’m assuming this is the clip you’re referring to:
https://youtu.be/TPDNQYhNyGQ
This sounds dreadful
Sweet Jesus that's bad.
Gilmour needs to up his troll game here, this is a golden opportunity to re-record The Final Cut as a country & western hoedown.
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To go from the original vocal of "Us & Them" to that of a 79-year old Roger Waters is horrible. Absolutely no need for this! Sure, it's basically all his. But, it's unnecessary.
I am not so sure I would call Dark Side "basically all his." The lyrics and concepts, yes, but the music, not as much. Only 3 of the 10 songs did Roger write by himself, and the music of Us and Them, the song you referenced, was written by Richard Wright.
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Have you guys watched the classic albums video on Dark Side? It's a great look how it was put together and to no-ones surprise it was a collaborative effort.
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To go from the original vocal of "Us & Them" to that of a 79-year old Roger Waters is horrible. Absolutely no need for this! Sure, it's basically all his. But, it's unnecessary.
I am not so sure I would call Dark Side "basically all his." The lyrics and concepts, yes, but the music, not as much.
Unfortunately, in his mind, that's all it takes.
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To go from the original vocal of "Us & Them" to that of a 79-year old Roger Waters is horrible. Absolutely no need for this! Sure, it's basically all his. But, it's unnecessary.
I am not so sure I would call Dark Side "basically all his." The lyrics and concepts, yes, but the music, not as much.
Unfortunately, in his mind, that's all it takes.
To Roger's credit (a tiny amount), the report from a few weeks ago that was discussed in another thread where he supposedly said he replaced all of Gilmour's terrible solos was debunked by Roger himself, who went on social media and ripped the writer for making that up, and Roger reiterated that he loves all of Gilmour's solos that he did in the Dark Side through The Wall era and called them some of the best guitar solos ever, so for all of the BS, at least Roger still recognizes some of the greatness in his own work that was done by others.
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Look, for a lot of reasons, I'm in the front row to knock Roger Waters down a peg or two. But fair is fucking fair here. This is cut and pasted directly from the site at that link:
It's not a replacement for the original which, obviously, is irreplaceable. But it is a way for the seventy nine year old man to look back across the intervening fifty years into the eyes of the twenty nine year old and say, to quote a poem of mine about my Father, "We did our best, we kept his trust, our Dad would have been proud of us". And also it is a way for me to honor a recording that Nick and Rick and Dave and I have every right to be very proud of.
That's not at all the same as saying "I'm re-recording this because it was all mine."
And by the way, if you watch that Classic Albums piece on DSOTM, I'm pretty sure it gives most of the credit for "Us And Them" to Rick Wright; the music came first, if I recall, and I think there was even a reference to the music inspiring the lyrics.
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Still not sure why Roger felt the need to re-record that record (and obviously this time as a solo effort) and who the target group for such a record is.
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I'd much prefer a new solo album, the last one was damn good.
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And also it is a way for me to honor a recording that Nick and Rick and Dave and I have every right to be very proud of.
He is honoring a recording he made with others, by recording an alternate version without them?
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What are everyone's thoughts about Nick Masons saucerful of secrets? I was listening to their album on the way to work and honestly its my favorite versions of those old songs. I'm sad I skipped on missing them when they came through, the show sounds like it has great live energy.
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I saw that band last year and immensely enjoyed the performance. It's nice to see a tribute to Pink Floyd that not only features a Pink Floyd member but also highlights an era that neither Waters nor Gilmour pay attention to in their concerts. I really have a fond memory of the concert, especially because it was the second show I saw after two years of covid.
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I'd much prefer a new solo album, the last one was damn good.
I'd love a new one too but he seems to have gone in rewrite mode which bothers me a little bit. He may be close to retirement.
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Have You Got It Yet? The Story of Syd Barrett and Pink Floyd
May 15th in the UK
https://www.sydbarrettfilm.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALajTTcXwZE
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Look interesting. I wonder if it'll have new interviews, I think from the trailer I was able to recognize some old stuff from other documentaries and interviews.
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Money from Roger Water's re-recording of DSOTM came out a few days ago.
I couldn't even sit through the whole thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUVmeYgo1Iw&t=0s
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I made it to the first lyric.
Nope.
Absolutely not.
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You have no idea how badly I want to hate this. I’m sick of Roger, I’m sick of his ego, I’m sick of his crap, and I absolutely hate this entire idea with every fiber of my being.
…but I’ve been listening to a freaking crap ton of Tom Waits for the last couple of years, and I’ve gotten to the point of absolutely adoring everything that guy ever touches. So when the first line kicked in, the thought struck me “this sounds like Tom Waits doing a cover of Money.” And then…god help me…I started to like it.
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This article is almost 7 years old now and I’m probably the last person here to learn this, but I never heard this until now that Jordan Rudess almost played on The Wall:
“Many years ago I had a friend by the slightly unusual name of Bleu Ocean,” recalls the Dream Theater keyboard maestro. “He was a very good drummer; I believe he had been one of the studio drummers for The Monkees, playing with them behind the scenes. Anyway, Bleu got the job of assembling a marching band that would appear on the song Bring The Boys Back Home.
“I was hanging out at Bleu’s home one day and he said, ‘Come on man, come to the studio and watch the recording of the track. You could even be a part of it’. Well, I wasn’t a drummer – by that point I’d have been around 18 years old and had long since decided that keyboards would be my life – but I’d played some very basic snare drum when I was in Third Grade.
“So I went with him to the session. I walked in, someone gave me a drum and some sticks. I’m playing along and having a really good time but as I’m doing so I become aware that Bob Ezrin [producer] is looking at me across the room, eyebrow slightly askew and finally he says: ‘I don’t think so’.
“After he’d picked me out I went and sat in the control room and long before anyone else we got to hear a playback of that track, though of course we had no idea of what it meant or where it would fit in the overall puzzle of Pink Floyd’s album.
“I was fine with Bob’s decision. I was a very poor drummer. But there’s a part of me that still wishes I’d been able to appear on The Wall. That would’ve been very cool indeed.”
https://www.loudersound.com/news/how-jordan-rudess-almost-played-on-the-wall
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That's very cool!
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This article is almost 7 years old now and I’m probably the last person here to learn this, but I never heard this until now that Jordan Rudess almost played on The Wall:
“Many years ago I had a friend by the slightly unusual name of Bleu Ocean,” recalls the Dream Theater keyboard maestro. “He was a very good drummer; I believe he had been one of the studio drummers for The Monkees, playing with them behind the scenes. Anyway, Bleu got the job of assembling a marching band that would appear on the song Bring The Boys Back Home.
“I was hanging out at Bleu’s home one day and he said, ‘Come on man, come to the studio and watch the recording of the track. You could even be a part of it’. Well, I wasn’t a drummer – by that point I’d have been around 18 years old and had long since decided that keyboards would be my life – but I’d played some very basic snare drum when I was in Third Grade.
“So I went with him to the session. I walked in, someone gave me a drum and some sticks. I’m playing along and having a really good time but as I’m doing so I become aware that Bob Ezrin [producer] is looking at me across the room, eyebrow slightly askew and finally he says: ‘I don’t think so’.
“After he’d picked me out I went and sat in the control room and long before anyone else we got to hear a playback of that track, though of course we had no idea of what it meant or where it would fit in the overall puzzle of Pink Floyd’s album.
“I was fine with Bob’s decision. I was a very poor drummer. But there’s a part of me that still wishes I’d been able to appear on The Wall. That would’ve been very cool indeed.”
https://www.loudersound.com/news/how-jordan-rudess-almost-played-on-the-wall
Holy crap! I never knew that!
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Even just the fact that he was there while that was being recorded is pretty wild.
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What's cooler? Playing a single drum on "The Wall" that no one is going to be able to hear, or being able to tell people you got called out by Bob Ezrin, asked to leave, then sat in the control room and listened to the playback? Sorry I'll take the latter. :)
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This article is almost 7 years old now and I’m probably the last person here to learn this, but I never heard this until now that Jordan Rudess almost played on The Wall:
“Many years ago I had a friend by the slightly unusual name of Bleu Ocean,” recalls the Dream Theater keyboard maestro. “He was a very good drummer; I believe he had been one of the studio drummers for The Monkees, playing with them behind the scenes. Anyway, Bleu got the job of assembling a marching band that would appear on the song Bring The Boys Back Home.
“I was hanging out at Bleu’s home one day and he said, ‘Come on man, come to the studio and watch the recording of the track. You could even be a part of it’. Well, I wasn’t a drummer – by that point I’d have been around 18 years old and had long since decided that keyboards would be my life – but I’d played some very basic snare drum when I was in Third Grade.
“So I went with him to the session. I walked in, someone gave me a drum and some sticks. I’m playing along and having a really good time but as I’m doing so I become aware that Bob Ezrin [producer] is looking at me across the room, eyebrow slightly askew and finally he says: ‘I don’t think so’.
“After he’d picked me out I went and sat in the control room and long before anyone else we got to hear a playback of that track, though of course we had no idea of what it meant or where it would fit in the overall puzzle of Pink Floyd’s album.
“I was fine with Bob’s decision. I was a very poor drummer. But there’s a part of me that still wishes I’d been able to appear on The Wall. That would’ve been very cool indeed.”
https://www.loudersound.com/news/how-jordan-rudess-almost-played-on-the-wall
Holy crap! I never knew that!
I didn't either. In retrospect, how cool was it that Bob Ezrin did that. What a funny story.
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It's a tough call. Definitely would've been cool to play on The Wall. But being invited to play on it, then told by Bob Ezrin "I don't think so" is a better story.
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Has anyone here seen Brit Floyd? They are coming to town and I'm curious if they are worth going to. I never got to see Pink Floyd but I've heard some of the touring cover bands are pretty good.
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Has anyone here seen Brit Floyd? They are coming to town and I'm curious if they are worth going to. I never got to Pink Floyd but I've heard some of the touring cover bands are pretty good.
i saw them at red rocks once. it's definitely a good show!
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Has anyone here seen Brit Floyd? They are coming to town and I'm curious if they are worth going to. I never got to Pink Floyd but I've heard some of the touring cover bands are pretty good.
Supposed to be decent and seem to tour a lot. Can't say though. Never saw a Floyd tribute before.
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Has anyone here seen Brit Floyd? They are coming to town and I'm curious if they are worth going to. I never got to Pink Floyd but I've heard some of the touring cover bands are pretty good.
I saw them three times and would see them again. Their performance is flawless and they pretty much cover all eras of the band. Go for it. :tup
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I just caught the "Dark Side of the Moon" planetarium experience, and that was epic. Highly recommend if anyone has a chance to catch it.
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those are always fun, always recommended to do it with party favors
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Don't know if this'd fit here but David Gilmour just announced a new album: Luck and Strange. Arriving on September 6th.
First single, "The Piper's Call" due tomorrow.
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"Luck and Strange" sounds like a trip out to the bar back in my 20's.
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Don't know if this'd fit here but David Gilmour just announced a new album: Luck and Strange. Arriving on September 6th.
First single, "The Piper's Call" due tomorrow.
Oh, nice!
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Don't know if this'd fit here but David Gilmour just announced a new album: Luck and Strange. Arriving on September 6th.
First single, "The Piper's Call" due tomorrow.
Great news, and I think this is completely irrelevant, lol :lol
https://shorturl.at/loGU9
My memory serves me right and the Great David Gilmour was once a resident in the nearby seaside town of Hove (an hour from me), and I even unknowingly had visited the Italian restaurant named Marrocco's just next door to his former home.
Long story short, he just moved to a farm even closer to me (30 mins) in Wisborough Green.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DesLs2dYys
New Gilmour track out, somehow, I'm getting early Floyd vibes.
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Just what I'd expect from David and that's a good thing. I dig it.
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Love the new song, it's better than anything off Rattle That Lock
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What a pleasant surprise–had full expected Rattle That Lock to be Gilmour's last release.
The track is beautiful and has me super excited.
For as much as I love Pink Floyd (especially the classic Dark Side through Wall Run), On An Island was (and still is) a major album for me. For whatever reason, it resonated on every level. I routinely revisit it (and, to a lesser extent, Rattle That Lock).
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Love the new song, it's better than anything off Rattle That Lock
That was my first impression as well. Will give it another spin tomorrow.
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New track is alright, but half of Rattle That Lock was easily better that this. :P