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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: MinistroRaven on August 13, 2020, 12:36:20 PM
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I am glad that JP is being as clear as possible here:
"I understand where people are coming from with that. One of the concerns I had, a little bit - not musically at all - but about Mike, is I didn't want people to get the wrong idea.
"Mike Mangini has been in Dream Theater for 10 years now. How many albums did we do together already? Three? Plus two live albums. A lot of music and touring.
"So he's the drummer in Dream Theater, and I didn't want there to be any weirdness or misconception that, 'Oh, this means that Mike's gonna come back.' It's just not the case.
"I think that for me, in a selfish way, I get the best of both worlds 'cause I get to play with two of the greatest drummers in the world, in Dream Theater and with my solo stuff. And it's great for me as a guitar player - it's wonderful.
"I think it's really important for everybody's sake, for fans to understand this. I think it's important, out of respect for both drummers - for Mike Mangini and Mike Portnoy - that there's no misconstrued thing: 'Oh, this means something else.'
"This is him [Portnoy] playing on my solo album, which is a really happy moment for me.
"For me, I knew that that would kind of be part of the story - I accept that. So the best I can do is try to be as clear as I can. I don't want people to get the wrong idea.
"I don't wanna create any drama or weirdness because it's all positive. I made a solo album - finally, after 15 years - and I got my friend to play drums on it, who I haven't played with in 10 years. So that's the vibe."
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/john_petrucci_addresses_speculation_that_mike_portnoy_is_rejoining_dream_theater_stresses_what_fans_need_to_understand.html
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I am less glad that you didn't read the discussion in the JP solo album thread about it :D ;)
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He doesn't know how many albums he's done with Mangini?
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I am less glad that you didn't read the discussion in the JP solo album thread about it :D ;)
hahaha no I didn't. I've been swamped by work. Sorry
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In other news, water is wet. Yawn...next! The sooner this pointless sensationalist thread is locked, the better.
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Yeah, no doubt RoeDent. The outlandish notion that MP might come back to DT because JP picked him to drum on his solo album is nothing short of fucking hilarious. Of course, the only one qualified to squash that kind of rumor is JP himself. Indicating all the obvious reasons why that isn't a possibility as long as MM is still there. Next question.
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I am glad that JP is being as clear as possible here:
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"Mike Mangini has been in Dream Theater for 10 years now. How many albums did we do together already? Three? Plus two live albums. A lot of music and touring.
. . ."
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/john_petrucci_addresses_speculation_that_mike_portnoy_is_rejoining_dream_theater_stresses_what_fans_need_to_understand.html
Breaking news: "John Petrucci does not consider The Astonishing to be a Dream Theater album."
In other news, water is wet. Yawn...next! The sooner this pointless sensationalist thread is locked, the better.
Pretty much.
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I am glad that JP is being as clear as possible here:
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"Mike Mangini has been in Dream Theater for 10 years now. How many albums did we do together already? Three? Plus two live albums. A lot of music and touring.
. . ."
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/john_petrucci_addresses_speculation_that_mike_portnoy_is_rejoining_dream_theater_stresses_what_fans_need_to_understand.html
Breaking news: "John Petrucci does not consider The Astonishing to be a Dream Theater album."
:lol honestly this is the biggest news out of the quote. WTF JP?
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I am less glad that you didn't read the discussion in the JP solo album thread about it :D ;)
LOL...I had ignored that thread (because, TBH, I don't have any interest in any guitarist's solo album), but I just skimmed through it and see that it has relatively little to do with the album.
Most baffling thing I read was that someone thinks "Porty" is a perjorative or name-calling. WTF?!
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*Thread delivers :corn
*may contain sarcasm :P
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Psssst - How do we tell Ministro that we already knew this??? :justjen
Oh------hey Ministro :blush
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He's not? :-[
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Although I loved him in DT, I am glad he is not coming back. He seems to keep making a lot of odd choices in my opinion, including making political posts on social media. When will musicians learn to shut their holes about politics and religion? Anyway, I have a hard time seeing his vision and I'm more interested in seeing what is to come as Mangini is finally out of Portnoy's shadow.
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The only thing I'm curious about these non-news is if JP talked about it with Mike beforehand, kinda "you know Mike, I love you and it's been great playing together again, but we both know the reunion discussions will happen and sorry, I just have to publicy say it for my band and for Mangini that it's not the case". Or if he just said it 'cause he doesn't need permission from Portnoy anyway for these kind of things.
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Although I loved him in DT, I am glad he is not coming back. He seems to keep making a lot of odd choices in my opinion, including making political posts on social media. When will musicians learn to shut their holes about politics and religion? Anyway, I have a hard time seeing his vision and I'm more interested in seeing what is to come as Mangini is finally out of Portnoy's shadow.
I don’t understand this. Because he’s a musician, he doesn’t have the right to speak his opinion like everyone else does? He’s not using the platform of a musician (like shouting about it on stage) he’s using social media. Millions of people give their political and religious views on social media every day. He’s no different than us.
Or is it because he’s saying something that you don’t agree with?
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Although I loved him in DT, I am glad he is not coming back. He seems to keep making a lot of odd choices in my opinion, including making political posts on social media. When will musicians learn to shut their holes about politics and religion? Anyway, I have a hard time seeing his vision and I'm more interested in seeing what is to come as Mangini is finally out of Portnoy's shadow.
When will people learn to shut their holes about politics and religion?
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Politics and religion have always been a part of music, historically speaking. Nothing has changed.
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When will musicians learn to shut their holes about politics and religion?
Ummm...WHAT? I sure as hell hope the answer is NEVER.
Ever heard Black Sabbath's "War Pigs"?
Or John Lennon's "Imagine"?
"Cult of Personality" by Living Colour?
"In the Name of God" by Dream Theater?
"Blowin' in the Wind" by Bob Dylan?
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What does politics and religion have to do with MP not coming back? Totally off topic and the wrong forum.
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When will musicians learn to shut their holes about politics and religion?
Ummm...WHAT? I sure as hell hope the answer is NEVER.
Ever heard Black Sabbath's "War Pigs"?
Or John Lennon's "Imagine"?
"Cult of Personality" by Living Colour?
"In the Name of God" by Dream Theater?
"Blowin' in the Wind" by Bob Dylan?
I think he meant in interviews or posting on social media.
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When will musicians learn to shut their holes about politics and religion?
Ummm...WHAT? I sure as hell hope the answer is NEVER.
Ever heard Black Sabbath's "War Pigs"?
Or John Lennon's "Imagine"?
"Cult of Personality" by Living Colour?
"In the Name of God" by Dream Theater?
"Blowin' in the Wind" by Bob Dylan?
I think he meant in interviews or posting on social media.
I'm sure, but the implication seemed to be that this was a new phenomenon in the age of social media, but it obviously isn't.
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When will musicians learn to shut their holes about politics and religion?
When rock becomes a fully conservative and edge-less legacy genre. Which, if you've heard most of the big names in rock to come up over the years, it's pretty much there.
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When will musicians learn to shut their holes about politics and religion?
Ummm...WHAT? I sure as hell hope the answer is NEVER.
Ever heard Black Sabbath's "War Pigs"?
Or John Lennon's "Imagine"?
"Cult of Personality" by Living Colour?
"In the Name of God" by Dream Theater?
"Blowin' in the Wind" by Bob Dylan?
I think he meant in interviews or posting on social media.
I'm sure, but the implication seemed to be that this was a new phenomenon in the age of social media, but it obviously isn't.
No one has the right to shut up but people in the public eye have to tread carefully for their own image. Unless, they are OK with the heat say like Tom Morello.
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When will musicians learn to shut their holes about politics and religion?
Ummm...WHAT? I sure as hell hope the answer is NEVER.
Ever heard Black Sabbath's "War Pigs"?
Or John Lennon's "Imagine"?
"Cult of Personality" by Living Colour?
"In the Name of God" by Dream Theater?
"Blowin' in the Wind" by Bob Dylan?
I think he meant in interviews or posting on social media.
I'm sure, but the implication seemed to be that this was a new phenomenon in the age of social media, but it obviously isn't.
No one has the right to shut up but people in the public eye have to tread carefully for their own image. Unless, they are OK with the heat say like Tom Morello.
Don't know who that is, but it gets back to YtseJam's original point about MP "making political posts on social media." MP has demonstrated for at least the past 10 years that his self-awareness in terms of public relations and public image is lacking, but it's pretty clear that he doesn't care too much about backlash.
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I think he does through. He's too sensitive on negative responses. Tom Morello is the guitarist from Rage Against The Machine.
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He doesn't know how many albums he's done with Mangini?
To be fair - mangini didn't write A Dramatic Turn Of Events with the band - he just came in last and recorded the drums. Maybe that's what JP meant.
DT12 onwards - he was in the studio with the band.
I guess The Astonishing was just Petrucci and Rudess - but that's my take.
He means DT12, TA and D/T
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He doesn't know how many albums he's done with Mangini?
To be fair - mangini didn't write A Dramatic Turn Of Events with the band - he just came in last and recorded the drums. Maybe that's what JP meant.
Could be. Or just in the moment, he lost track of how many albums it's been.
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It's alright John. I pretend The Astonishing doesn't exist also.
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Although I loved him in DT, I am glad he is not coming back. He seems to keep making a lot of odd choices in my opinion, including making political posts on social media. When will musicians learn to shut their holes about politics and religion? Anyway, I have a hard time seeing his vision and I'm more interested in seeing what is to come as Mangini is finally out of Portnoy's shadow.
I don’t understand this. Because he’s a musician, he doesn’t have the right to speak his opinion like everyone else does? He’s not using the platform of a musician (like shouting about it on stage) he’s using social media. Millions of people give their political and religious views on social media every day. He’s no different than us.
Or is it because he’s saying something that you don’t agree with?
You nailed it 👍
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When will musicians learn to shut their holes about politics and religion? Anyway, I have a hard time seeing his vision and I'm more interested in seeing what is to come as Mangini is finally out of Portnoy's shadow.
Why do people say stupid stuff like this? Things like "Liberal Hollywood should stick to acting" or whatever.
Politics affects everyone... EVERYONE. So that means EVERYONE can and should have an opinion and knowledge on the subject. Celebrities, musicians, athletes, park rangers, daycare operators, etc have just as much a right as anyone to talk about politics.
So why can't MP, or ANYONE for that matter, talk about politics? Just to point out the obvious, Trump is a REALITY TV CELEBRITY and he's freaking president. Such an insane hypocritical argument.
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Well obviously he knows what he did and it doesn't bother me one bit, because it's who he is. It shouldn't surprise any of us, because MP is known to tweet and post whatever he feels he wants to post.
I don't have to agree with him. And I don't. That doesn't allow me to post harassing and threatening posts. It's to the point he deleted people.
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I would say does Portnoy ever talk about politics? The answer is no.
Does that give us the right to ridicule him for his opinion? No.
Should he know that he will have pushback because the world politically does not see exactly his view? Yes he should.
So I would say, if Mike is going to put himself out there as a public figure on his political views, then prepare for backlash.
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I would say does Portnoy ever talk about politics? The answer is no.
Does that give us the right to ridicule him for his opinion? No.
Should he know that he will have pushback because the world politically does not see exactly his view? Yes he should.
So I would say, if Mike is going to put himself out there as a public figure on his political views, then prepare for backlash.
Exactly what I meant by, He knows what he did.
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Man, where did this notion that, in order to stay "political correct", you should avoid discussing any topic that can potentially offend people.
How do you expect a democracy to work if everyone is going to just stay in their own mindless bubble, feeding from their own echo chamber of pre-approved knowledge, without anyone ever challenging their world view? Are you really going to base your choice of who's gonna lead us on whatever tabloid soundbites sound good to you, while ignoring everything else?
Last I checked, a democracy is supposed to be a governing form of a government chosen BY the people, FOR the people. And the people is -everyone-, not just whoever you think is looking nicest on TV in that one interview who maybe said something you thought sounded close to smart, so you'll put your entire future in their hands.
If you don't think regular people, celebrities, whatever should be able to talk about politics, I'm afraid you don't deserve a democracy. You want a dictatorship where only POWER is important.
And if you attack people for having political views, to the point where they feel harassed, you're an asshole. Plain and simple.
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All I know is - If i was in a successful band and my career was going just great -
- I would ONLY talk about music. Even if you genuinely believe what you are saying RE : Religion or Politics - It just has too much potential
to blow up in your face.
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We should rename the thread to "Rolitics in music" and move it do general music discussion. YtseJam had no idea what he would unleash upon us. :lol
It's still a more interesting discussion than "Portn0i bacc in Dream Theatre!", though.
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Everybody uses social media differently, and everybody has different political beliefs, and everyone has different degrees to which they like to share their political beliefs on social media. Celebrities are no different.
Mostly, I don't pay a lot of attention to what celebrities do or say politically. If they're musicians, I care about their music; if they're actors, I care about their movies or television work. What I've noticed is that if they're in the public eye for doing or saying something I agree with, I think to myself "that's cool" and move on without giving it another thought. When they do something I don't agree with, I sometimes think "I wish they'd keep their politics to themselves." I don't actually care that much, but it sticks out more if it's something you disagree with.
Like if George Clooney is in the news for helping starving children in Africa (or was that Brad Pitt?), I think "Cool, use your celebrity status to shine some light on something." If Ted Nugent plays at an NRA benefit for a bunch of Trumpers wearing MAGA hats and starts blabbing into the microphone, I think "Shut the fuck up, Ted. Stick to playing guitar."
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Anyone who supports trump needs to fuck off anyway.
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All I know is - If i was in a successful band and my career was going just great -
- I would ONLY talk about music. Even if you genuinely believe what you are saying RE : Religion or Politics - It just has too much potential
to blow up in your face.
Well, they're people and should be treated as people. He knows it was going to blow up, yet he did it anyways because he has a voice and can say it on HIS page. Why follow a person just to bash them, that behavior is mental.
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So what did MP say that's so controversial? I'm sincerely asking - I really don't know.
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So what did MP say that's so controversial? I'm sincerely asking - I really don't know.
After talking always about music - and after maybe having hinted as such not so long ago - he made ONE post, prefacing that he knew that it's a thorny issue when musicians talk politics and that it could cost him some fans, that he supported Biden for future USA president since he doesn't personally or politically likes Trump.
That's it, basically, he did it with longer words but all he said, between posts only about music, was "I know it's controversial and I might lose some fans for talking politics, but I support Biden 'cause I don't like Trump".
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It SHOULD be more controversial if he DID support Trump.
Anyone that supports Trump is a confirmed racist sexist homophobic xenophobic piece of shit.
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So what did MP say that's so controversial? I'm sincerely asking - I really don't know.
After talking always about music - and after maybe having hinted as such not so long ago - he made ONE post, prefacing that he knew that it's a thorny issue when musicians talk politics and that it could cost him so fan, that he supported Biden for future USA president since he doesn't personally or politically likes Trump.
That's it, basically, he did it with longer words but all he said, between posts only about music, was "I know it's controversial and I might lose some fans for talking politics, but I support Biden 'cause I don't like Trump".
That's it? Pho reel?
So back to my original question - what was so controversial about that comment that would trigger some people (not you) by his statement and state that he should shut his pie hole? I would say man up and don't be such a snowflake........
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It SHOULD be more controversial if he DID support Trump.
Anyone that supports Trump is a confirmed racist sexist homophobic xenophobic piece of shit.
This shit is totally inappropriate for the non-P/R forum.
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It wouldn’t be appropriate in the P/R forum either.
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It may be inappropriate - but it's entirely true! ;D
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We should rename the thread to "Rolitics in music" and move it do general music discussion. YtseJam had no idea what he would unleash upon us. :lol
It's still a more interesting discussion than "Portn0i bacc in Dream Theatre!", though.
Done
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It SHOULD be more controversial if he DID support Trump.
Anyone that supports Trump is a confirmed racist sexist homophobic xenophobic piece of shit.
FFS Kotowboy. That is quite enough of that.
In this thread you can talk about various things, but not politics - there is a whole subforum for that. And you CERTAINLY don't need to be making such ignorant sweeping statements as that.
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The vast majority of people who hate politics in music also happen to love Ted Nugent and Trapt, thus confirming they actually just dont like politics in music when its stuff they disagree with.
Kind of like people who just hate the media but just happen to love multiple media outlets that dominate the airwaves.
Of course, this is purely anecdotal but I bet if there was a legit study I would be proven right.
And then those same people would blast studies and back up their claim with other studies.
Anyway....
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I think that’s usually true for both sides of the political spectrum. If an artist supports what you support, you look down on those who don’t agree and don’t like it, and don’t like when an artist voice supports for something you don’t agree with.
Just speaking from experience. My dad hates Bruce Springsteen and won’t even give him credit for his songwriting ability and live performances because of his political views, but doesn’t have a problem with right leaning artists speaking out. Then you have people that hate Morissey because of his conservative views (on the left, I usually see people say there is something wrong with the artist mentally if they support the right)
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I guess my point is if someone has a problem with what somebody is saying, by all means, share your opinion that the other person's opinion is wrong. But if you hate what somebody says, it's pretty bad form to completely contradict yourself and say that NO musician should share their opinion and then be A-OK with musicians sharing their opinions that line up with yours. That just shows a degree of cognitive dissonance
I hate Pepsi but I don't go around saying I hate all Cola because I actually really like Coca-Cola. I just happen to hate Pepsi.
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I agree with that 100%
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Since JP exclusively follows all the big names from Fox News, and right wing pundits, politicians and the Republican Party page on Twitter and Instagram, I would guess he supports Trump. And seeing as how in an interview back in 2016, the interviewer asked Mangini about the election and he said “thank God for Wikileaks” or something close to that. This was at the time when Wikileaks was putting out the Hillary Clinton emails. So, by that statement I would presume he was a Trump supporter.
My point is that you shouldn’t judge musicians, or anyone, by their political leanings. And don’t assume too much. Just enjoy the music and let people be themselves.
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All I know is - If i was in a successful band and my career was going just great -
- I would ONLY talk about music. Even if you genuinely believe what you are saying RE : Religion or Politics - It just has too much potential
to blow up in your face.
BTW - I completely agree! There are plenty of examples of entertainers (actors/musicians) compromising their careers because of a statement or divulging their political views. It does nothing but alienate the fans.
That said - I recognize that everyone has a right to an opinion even if I don't like the message.
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Yeah it's like well respected actors or musicians with great careers - out of the blue - just say potentially inflammatory / offensive things. . .
Just say No Comment.
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MP's Facebook post:
With a few exceptions in the past, I generally try to avoid posting about politics as it usually sparks heated debates and can sometimes even result in losing some fans...but I’ve recently decided to no longer silence my disdain for Trump as I find him a truly despicable human being and a danger to our country’s intergrity and democracy (see my Gimme Some Truth video https://youtu.be/AOzgIs9pT1A (https://youtu.be/AOzgIs9pT1A))
So with that, I feel it’s OK for me to share my support for Joe Biden and am very excited by his pick for VP running mate w Kamala Harris 👏
I personally was hoping it would be her as I think she really strengthens the ticket and will help also strengthen some of Biden’s weaknesses that some people have concerns over...
This is probably the most important election in US history, so get out and VOTE! #BidenHarris2020 #ByeDon #PleaseMakeAmericaGreatAgain
(and please keep the discussions and comments here civil!!!! 🙏)
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Yeah it's like well respected actors or musicians with great careers - out of the blue - just say potentially inflammatory / offensive things. . .
Just say No Comment.
I just don't understand that mentality. Everyone has their opinions, and everyone has the right to express them. Celebrities are no different. What, just because you become famous, you're not allowed to express your opinion anymore? Obviously these people don't care what effect it may or may not have on their celebrity status, so why does it bother you so much?
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MP's Facebook post:
With a few exceptions in the past, I generally try to avoid posting about politics as it usually sparks heated debates and can sometimes even result in losing some fans...but I’ve recently decided to no longer silence my disdain for Trump as I find him a truly despicable human being and a danger to our country’s intergrity and democracy (see my Gimme Some Truth video https://youtu.be/AOzgIs9pT1A (https://youtu.be/AOzgIs9pT1A))
So with that, I feel it’s OK for me to share my support for Joe Biden and am very excited by his pick for VP running mate w Kamala Harris 👏
I personally was hoping it would be her as I think she really strengthens the ticket and will help also strengthen some of Biden’s weaknesses that some people have concerns over...
This is probably the most important election in US history, so get out and VOTE! #BidenHarris2020 #ByeDon #PleaseMakeAmericaGreatAgain
(and please keep the discussions and comments here civil!!!! 🙏)
I couldn't agree with him more!
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For the record, Mike has made posts about music (or DT / DT members) way more controversial than that one about his support for Biden :D
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Yeah it's like well respected actors or musicians with great careers - out of the blue - just say potentially inflammatory / offensive things. . .
Just say No Comment.
I just don't understand that mentality. Everyone has their opinions, and everyone has the right to express them. Celebrities are no different. What, just because you become famous, you're not allowed to express your opinion anymore? Obviously these people don't care what effect it may or may not have on their celebrity status, so why does it bother you so much?
It shows how mental people get when Idolizing. Losing all sense of humanity with celebrities that they get treated as Gods that can do no wrong. Which leads to what happened with MP having to block some obsessive fans. Social Media is full of these people who go to great lengths just to talk some pretty obscene stuff (It's down right just hurtful, slander).
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I guess. Like I said, I tend not to notice if it's something I agree with, and it sticks out a bit more if it's something I don't agree with, but mostly I just don't care. But I know that there are people at the other end of the spectrum. People destroying their Michael Jackson albums when certain allegations came up in the media. People blacklisting The Dixie Chicks after Natalie Maines shot her mouth off about something. Hey, if it makes them feel better, fine. If it was something I really felt strongly about, I probably wouldn't buy any more of their music, especially nowadays when there are so many other options, but I'm not going to destroy what I already have.
It seems to me that celebrities are just easier targets for people who want to stir up shit in the first place. They know that x million people follow them, so if they post something "clever" then it will be read by all those people, and some people just can't resist an audience. Going on someone's Twitter or Facebook page and starting shit seems like one of the more advanced cases of people in need of a life.
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Not a supporter of Trump, but if Portland and Minneapolis are what to expect if the Democrats win the White House and win back the Senate, the days of getting rid of Trump amidst a pandemic, will seem like the good ol days in comparison. You can't put the genie of social unrest, rioting, looting, and mass murder in the streets, back in the magic lamp, just because you won an election.
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Not a supporter of Trump, but if Portland and Minneapolis are what to expect if the Democrats win the White House and win back the Senate, the days of getting rid of Trump amidst a pandemic, will seem like the good ol days in comparison. You can't put the genie of social unrest, rioting, looting, and mass murder in the streets, back in the magic lamp, just because you won an election.
You're using an example of what is actually happening under Trump as what will happen under a different administration?!
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Not a supporter of Trump, but if Portland and Minneapolis are what to expect if the Democrats win the White House and win back the Senate, the days of getting rid of Trump amidst a pandemic, will seem like the good ol days in comparison. You can't put the genie of social unrest, rioting, looting, and mass murder in the streets, back in the magic lamp, just because you won an election.
You're using an example of what is actually happening under Trump as what will happen under a different administration?!
What is happening? I don't follow the weekly broadcast news narratives and social media hysteria of the day.
I already stated that Democrats winning a couple of elections in 80 days isn't going to make everything go away, in fact, based on their actions (or in-action) in NYC, Chicago, Minneapolis, Portland, and Seattle this year, among other cities, as well as all of California and New Jersey, New York, it is entirely possible they turn the US into nationwide Portland and NYC currently. If they magically make everything better, or the news media downplays their coverage of coronavirus as well as the peaceful protests, then this whole year has been a coup attempt to remove the President because they couldn't get him on Russian collusion or properly impeach him over something their current nominee for President actually did as VP and admitted to on camera. It's very obvious.
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Not a supporter of Trump, but if Portland and Minneapolis are what to expect if the Democrats win the White House and win back the Senate, the days of getting rid of Trump amidst a pandemic, will seem like the good ol days in comparison. You can't put the genie of social unrest, rioting, looting, and mass murder in the streets, back in the magic lamp, just because you won an election.
You're using an example of what is actually happening under Trump as what will happen under a different administration?!
What is happening? I don't follow the weekly broadcast news narratives and social media hysteria of the day.
I already stated that Democrats winning a couple of elections in 80 days isn't going to make everything go away, in fact, based on their actions (or in-action) in NYC, Chicago, Minneapolis, Portland, and Seattle this year, among other cities, as well as all of California and New Jersey, New York, it is entirely possible they turn the US into nationwide Portland and NYC currently. If they magically make everything better, or the news media downplays their coverage of coronavirus as well as the peaceful protests, then this whole year has been a coup attempt to remove the President because they couldn't get him on Russian collusion or properly impeach him over something their current nominee for President actually did as VP and admitted to on camera. It's very obvious.
For someone who says that they’re not a supporter of Trump...
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Not a supporter of Trump, but if Portland and Minneapolis are what to expect if the Democrats win the White House and win back the Senate, the days of getting rid of Trump amidst a pandemic, will seem like the good ol days in comparison. You can't put the genie of social unrest, rioting, looting, and mass murder in the streets, back in the magic lamp, just because you won an election.
You're using an example of what is actually happening under Trump as what will happen under a different administration?!
What is happening? I don't follow the weekly broadcast news narratives and social media hysteria of the day.
I already stated that Democrats winning a couple of elections in 80 days isn't going to make everything go away, in fact, based on their actions (or in-action) in NYC, Chicago, Minneapolis, Portland, and Seattle this year, among other cities, as well as all of California and New Jersey, New York, it is entirely possible they turn the US into nationwide Portland and NYC currently. If they magically make everything better, or the news media downplays their coverage of coronavirus as well as the peaceful protests, then this whole year has been a coup attempt to remove the President because they couldn't get him on Russian collusion or properly impeach him over something their current nominee for President actually did as VP and admitted to on camera. It's very obvious.
For someone who says that they’re not a supporter of Trump...
Just calling a spade a spade.
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WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING POLITICS HERE. THERE IS A WHOLE OTHER SUBFORUM FOR THAT. KEEP IT THERE.
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Although I loved him in DT, I am glad he is not coming back. He seems to keep making a lot of odd choices in my opinion, including making political posts on social media. When will musicians learn to shut their holes about politics and religion? Anyway, I have a hard time seeing his vision and I'm more interested in seeing what is to come as Mangini is finally out of Portnoy's shadow.
I don’t understand this. Because he’s a musician, he doesn’t have the right to speak his opinion like everyone else does? He’s not using the platform of a musician (like shouting about it on stage) he’s using social media. Millions of people give their political and religious views on social media every day. He’s no different than us.
Or is it because he’s saying something that you don’t agree with?
Why do you assume it is something I don't agree with? I have never been a die hard on political parties. In fact, I fucking hate politics and I listen to bands like DT to escape from all of this bullshit that has torn our country to pieces. People hate each others guts without even knowing them like proven by that post kowtowboy made. All Portnoy did was lose fans and potential revenue over an unecessary social media post. I lose respect for musicians and actors when they preach their personal beliefs. That's not why we're your fans!
And yes they are very different than us. Are you insinuating you are of the same stature as Portnoy? Don't be ridiculous.
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Although I loved him in DT, I am glad he is not coming back. He seems to keep making a lot of odd choices in my opinion, including making political posts on social media. When will musicians learn to shut their holes about politics and religion? Anyway, I have a hard time seeing his vision and I'm more interested in seeing what is to come as Mangini is finally out of Portnoy's shadow.
I don’t understand this. Because he’s a musician, he doesn’t have the right to speak his opinion like everyone else does? He’s not using the platform of a musician (like shouting about it on stage) he’s using social media. Millions of people give their political and religious views on social media every day. He’s no different than us.
Or is it because he’s saying something that you don’t agree with?
Why do you assume it is something I don't agree with? I have never been a die hard on political parties. In fact, I fucking hate politics and I listen to bands like DT to escape from all of this bullshit that has torn our country to pieces. People hate each others guts without even knowing them like proven by that post kowtowboy made. All Portnoy did was lose fans and potential revenue over an unecessary social media post. I lose respect for musicians and actors when they preach their personal beliefs. That's not why we're your fans!
And yes they are very different than us. Are you insinuating you are of the same stature as Portnoy? Don't be ridiculous.
I didn’t assume anything. I asked if that was the reason.
You don’t have to follow him on social media if you don’t like what he says. You can just listen the music.
I’m not insinuating anything about my stature. Despite his stature, he can speak his mind all he wants. You’re the one with the problem, so it’s on you to be annoyed, offended or ignore. Saying they need to stay out of politics or not give their opinion because of their “stature” and you don’t like it, is bullshit.
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I think that MP being aware that his stance would lose fans is a good starting point to expressing your views. While I personally would rather my favorote artists just stay away from anything controversial, if they feel the need to say something and give reasons why (even if I don't agree) it's hard to just stop being interested in their art because of that. If MP now becomes a political activist, well then yea that changes my feelings but just expressing a feeling and explaining it and why doesn't really bother me.
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This has everything to do with Social Media being a part of life now. It's given us an outlet to speak our minds to the world. The negative consequences are people taking one persons opinion as facts, and spreading it out as if they were factual statements. Which life has shown WE tend to BLINDLY accept it as facts without actually realizing it's an OPINION. And also taking that opinion to heart as if it has any effect on us personally. It doesn't to me as MP is a musician who lives on the other side of the country, and just happens to endorse Biden. Cool, doesn't bother me.
I have my political views and see no reason why one should be upset at that. Many may disagree, but they are allowed to.
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All Portnoy did was lose fans and potential revenue over an unecessary social media post. I lose respect for musicians and actors when they preach their personal beliefs. That's not why we're your fans!
I cant fathom how one or even several political posts could cause someone to lose fans.
This isnt a ted Nugent levels where the only thing that comes out of his mouth is politics.
When it gets to that point then sure, it's not about the music anymore. Btw, I'm not even a huge fan of Mike's newfound political activism. After trump won he had a post about how he voted against trump and we all need to come together. Very stock political post but whatever.
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Personally I don't have an issue with artists being political as long as their takes aren't wildly ignorant &/or dangerous. If they are, I have more of an issue with the statements themselves than the fact that politics was brought up at all.
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Honestly, I think Mike's post was fine. Good, even. I was he was that diplomatic on social media all the time.
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This has everything to do with Social Media being a part of life now. It's given us an outlet to speak our minds to the world.
And therein lies the problem. The world doesn't really care what you (you, meaning celebrity/athlete/musician/YouTube personality...) have to say.
Or does it?
Somewhere in the past few years two things happened: 1) Celebrities decided they had to share more than they had ever before, and 2) fans/consumers became more interested in the thoughts and opinions of celebrities. In a chicken/egg way, I do not know which happened first.
I remember after the George Floyd incident, some celebrity tweeted/instagram'ed out something like "I know you (my fans) have all been waiting to hear what I had to say about all this...." and I thought, WHY? Never have I once wondered what a celebrity thought about anything outside of their art. I love James LaBrie. He is one of my favorite vocalists, the voice of my favorite band, and seemingly an all-around cool dude. It has never crossed my mind to wonder what he thought about anything that didn't have to do with DT.
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Celebrity voices are important because people will often times listen to celebrities rather than politicians or clergy. Like someone said before it's the message that people don't like to hear based on their personal bias.
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This has everything to do with Social Media being a part of life now. It's given us an outlet to speak our minds to the world.
And therein lies the problem. The world doesn't really care what you (you, meaning celebrity/athlete/musician/YouTube personality...) have to say.
Or does it?
Somewhere in the past few years two things happened: 1) Celebrities decided they had to share more than they had ever before, and 2) fans/consumers became more interested in the thoughts and opinions of celebrities. In a chicken/egg way, I do not know which happened first.
I remember after the George Floyd incident, some celebrity tweeted/instagram'ed out something like "I know you (my fans) have all been waiting to hear what I had to say about all this...." and I thought, WHY? Never have I once wondered what a celebrity thought about anything outside of their art. I love James LaBrie. He is one of my favorite vocalists, the voice of my favorite band, and seemingly an all-around cool dude. It has never crossed my mind to wonder what he thought about anything that didn't have to do with DT.
Yup, exactly. The world doesn't care what we say online because, there is no way to show emotion other than emojis which people don't use to express the tone of the post. And in turn, may read what the person posts as anger or truth when they're being stern or sarcastic. The only way to know the true intention of the words is to actually hear the person speak. It's why I enjoy hearing interviews with Artists and people in general.
Celebrities get a sense of power and control over their fans. As evidenced by your quote, and will say anything to appease their fans, even being sacrilegious to themselves, just to keep the eyes following them. It's sad really.
Celebrity voices are important because people will often times listen to celebrities rather than politicians or clergy. Like someone said before it's the message that people don't like to hear based on their personal bias.
Idolizing, treating people like gods. That's those people's problems. Instead of a golden calf it's a golden globe.
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It's perfectly reasonable to genuinely admire and appreciate celebrities who actually contribute to society. I mean, how proud was everyone when DT helped continue awareness and raise funds for the CA wildfires? And aside from Lebron James obvious dominance on the court all these years, his foundation serves the community by educating young children. The Bill and Melinda Gates foundation for years have endeavored altruistic projects in Africa. Maybe some "idolize" them but they have earned my admiration.
Now there are some celebrities and politicians who don't deserve praise but yet their followers defend them regardless sending those people into cult status.
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Rolitics
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Rolitics
Rotflitics? :rollin
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Rolitics
ruh roh
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People who think DT members (past and present) aren't political or religious haven't been paying attention to their lyrics or statements over the years.
Portnoy was for the Iraq war because he was hurting from the shock of 9/11. Then he saw what a scam that turned out to be, and flipped. How do I know? He stated as much in interviews and on the forums and stuff...
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People who think DT members (past and present) aren't political or religious haven't been paying attention to their lyrics or statements over the years.
Portnoy was for the Iraq war because he was hurting from the shock of 9/11. Then he saw what a scam that turned out to be, and flipped. How do I know? He stated as much in interviews and on the forums and stuff...
I remember he supported the Iraq war from his old FAQ but did he ever come out against it? When Prophets of War was written I remember him being so careful to not talk politics that I think he even banned discussion of the lyrics.
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Plus, LaBrie wrote the lyrics to that. But, back then it seemed like a lot of political discussion in a non-political forum, was not common. Definitely not as common as it is now. We didn’t have social media to spew our opinions constantly. As well as the politics in the US not being so divisive in the mainstream. I personally don’t remember there being many political discussions on the MP forum back then.
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What I was surprised about with MP's recent statements about politics was the flavor of the vitriol that came from his audience, the specificity of "if you think differently than me, you'd best shut up" contrasted with the mildness of his message. I know this is probably just the portion that was provoked into responding, but I didn't expect that strain of reactionary conservative boomeritics to be prevalent in the fandom of a progressive rock/metal musician. I expected to see "I love you even though I disagree with you", bla bla, "let's talk about this and debate...", that kinda stuff.
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What I was surprised about with MP's recent statements about politics was the flavor of the vitriol that came from his audience, the specificity of "if you think differently than me, you'd best shut up" contrasted with the mildness of his message. I know this is probably just the portion that was provoked into responding, but I didn't expect that strain of reactionary conservative boomeritics to be prevalent in the fandom of a progressive rock/metal musician. I expected to see "I love you even though I disagree with you", bla bla, "let's talk about this and debate...", that kinda stuff.
I feel like that's what people would do face to face, but on social media? You know that brings out the worst in people. It really wasn't shocking to me at all. I bet many of those people aren't that big of fans of him either. Just haters.
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What I was surprised about with MP's recent statements about politics was the flavor of the vitriol that came from his audience, the specificity of "if you think differently than me, you'd best shut up" contrasted with the mildness of his message. I know this is probably just the portion that was provoked into responding, but I didn't expect that strain of reactionary conservative boomeritics to be prevalent in the fandom of a progressive rock/metal musician. I expected to see "I love you even though I disagree with you", bla bla, "let's talk about this and debate...", that kinda stuff.
This has been the state of American political discussion for the last few years. “Oh you disagree with me? Well, you’re a scumbag America hating traitor!” Pretty much.
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I can't stand RYING ROLITICIANS