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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: WildRanger on June 18, 2020, 01:46:40 PM
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What would be your pick? Only hard rock.
So please don't mention albums by Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Black Sabath, Metallica, Queensryche etc. because they are heavy metal.
For me it's tough between Led Zeppelin II and Deep Purple in Rock, but I have to give the edge to Zep.
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You know back in the day Led Zeppelin was called metal, right? Now you do. Anyway, Appetite for Destruction was sent down to Earth as a gift by God herself, so, that one.
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Hmmm. Do Rush count as hard rock? What about Van Halen or hair bands that weren’t really “metal” per se? Not sure what the boundaries of the genre are to be honest.
If we’re just talking non-prog, I’d probably say something like Winger - Pull and Mr. Big - Bump Ahead. If Journey counts, then I’d have to include Escape or Frontiers.
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UFO- Strangers In The Night.
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Just straight up rock for me would be Van Halen - Fair Warning.
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Big thumbs up for Fair Warning and Pull. Nice.
For me, if Zeppelin counts, Physical Graffiti.
Honorable mentions: Kiss - Rock And Roll Over; Aerosmith - Toys In The Attic; Billy Squier - Don't Say No; Night Ranger - Midnight Madness
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UFO- Strangers In The Night.
Probably my all time favorite live album.
A couple others that came to mind are Boston's debut Don't Say No by Billy Squier.
Also Allied Forces, Never Surrender and Thunder Seven by Triumph.
And I'll put in a plug for YYNOT's self-titled debut.
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Thunder 7 is right up there for me too. Fantastic tour as well.
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Rush - Moving Pictures
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Vow Wow - V
(https://e.snmc.io/i/fullres/s/e6fd2733e7cc01aacf0148807b94c1b7/2547816)
Highly recommended Japanese hard rock.
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Burn
I mean the Deep Purple album.
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Houses of the Holy - Zeppelin
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You know back in the day Led Zeppelin was called metal, right? Now you do. Anyway, Appetite for Destruction was sent down to Earth as a gift by God herself, so, that one.
This is the correct answer. I’m not 100% sure what qualifies as “hard rock” but Appetite for Destruction is the best. Let’s be real, has there even been a rock (hard or otherwise) album that’s topped Appetite in the past 30 years?
AC/DCs Back in Black would probably be a good candidate as well.
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Hey Stoopid by Alice Cooper
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You know back in the day Led Zeppelin was called metal, right? Now you do. Anyway, Appetite for Destruction was sent down to Earth as a gift by God herself, so, that one.
This is the correct answer. I’m not 100% sure what qualifies as “hard rock” but Appetite for Destruction is the best. Let’s be real, has there even been a rock (hard or otherwise) album that’s topped Appetite in the past 30 years?
Are you serious though? :lol Katt / Firewings / Walrus was clearly joking.
Lordi - Hard Rock Hallelujah
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Elite clearly did not look at my top 50 albums thread. Appetite is one of my all-time favorite albums by any musical artist. Appetite is the GOAT hard rock record. My real name is a combination of those three names but the human tongue cannot properly articulate it, so I have settled for The Walrus
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Well, that makes me look stupid :lol
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On the seventh day, God did not rest. He crafted Africa by Toto.
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Rush - Moving Pictures
:metal With the restrictions of whatever constitutes hard rock instead of heavy metal or whatever category is being placed..........this is an outstanding selection!
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I’m not 100% sure what qualifies as “hard rock” but Appetite for Destruction is the best. Let’s be real, has there even been a rock (hard or otherwise) album that’s topped Appetite in the past 30 years?
I think you'd be hard-pressed to name a hard-rock album that I don't think is better than Appetite.
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On the seventh day, God did not rest. He crafted Africa by Toto.
Actually, it would appear he did, indeed, rest.
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Therapy? - Troublegum
It's not quite Metal. It's not quite Grunge. It's not quite Punk.
But it's all three. I always imagine it as if Nirvana made Metallica's Black Album.
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Therapy? - Troublegum
It's not quite Metal. It's not quite Grunge. It's not quite Punk.
But it's all three. I always imagine it as if Nirvana made Metallica's Black Album.
I loved that album as a youngster! Going Nowhere, Screamager ...
I’m a bit surprised someone else knows it around here. Cheers.
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I would say Troublegum is a bit heavier than hard rock but that was a huge album for me in my late teens and they were a huge band for me back then. I saw them live so many times and they were always superb.
In terms of what I would class as hard rock, I would probably have to go with Appetite For Destruction by GNR in a close run thing with New Jersey by Bon Jovi.
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Rush - Moving Pictures
:metal With the restrictions of whatever constitutes hard rock instead of heavy metal or whatever category is being placed..........this is an outstanding selection!
:metal :metal
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Rush - Moving Pictures
It's not a hard rock album. Only two tracks Limelight and Red Barchetta could be qualified as hard rock.
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Therapy? - Troublegum
It's not quite Metal. It's not quite Grunge. It's not quite Punk.
But it's all three. I always imagine it as if Nirvana made Metallica's Black Album.
I loved that album as a youngster! Going Nowhere, Screamager ...
I’m a bit surprised someone else knows it around here. Cheers.
They made a sort of sequel a year ago called " Cleave " with the same producer. It's like 10 songs and 33 minutes but it's a great album. Check it out !
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Captain Beyond
Sea Shanties
Never Turn Your Back On A Friend
Satori
Vincebus Eruptum
Lucifer's Friend
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Houses of the Holy - Zeppelin
Yep, this one.
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Led Zeppelin-IV
Deep Purple-Machine Head
Van Halen-Van Halen
AC/DC-Back In Black
Rush-Moving Pictures
Guns ‘N’ Roses-Appetite For Destruction
All perfection.
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Elite clearly did not look at my top 50 albums thread. Appetite is one of my all-time favorite albums by any musical artist. Appetite is the GOAT hard rock record. My real name is a combination of those three names but the human tongue cannot properly articulate it, so I have settled for The Walrus
This is a pretty good choice; I'm sticking to mine, but I can't really quibble with this. I got the box set a couple weeks ago from eBay, and man did they hit paydirt on this one.
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Tough question. I'll list some of my top contenders:
Y&T: Black Tiger
Def Leppard: Pyromania
Iron Maiden: Somewhere in Time
Queensryche: Empire
Tesla: The Great Radio Controversy
It's REALLY hard to pick one favorite from the list. I guess if I had to, gun to my head, I'd go with Empire, since it is one of my top 10 favorite albums of all time in any genre. But those others are close.
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Rush - Moving Pictures
It's not a hard rock album. Only two tracks Limelight and Red Barchetta could be qualified as hard rock.
And I would say (as I think most everyone else here would) that every song on that album, with the possible exception of Vital Signs, is a hard rock song. If you don't think MP is hard rock, then you're going to have to enlighten us as to your bizarro definition of what "hard rock" is.
Tough question. I'll list some of my top contenders:
Y&T: Black Tiger
Def Leppard: Pyromania
Iron Maiden: Somewhere in Time
Queensryche: Empire
Tesla: The Great Radio Controversy
I would say that the middle three of those are metal (although there might be an argument that Empire isn't).
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Tough question. I'll list some of my top contenders:
Y&T: Black Tiger
Def Leppard: Pyromania
Iron Maiden: Somewhere in Time
Queensryche: Empire
Tesla: The Great Radio Controversy
It's REALLY hard to pick one favorite from the list. I guess if I had to, gun to my head, I'd go with Empire, since it is one of my top 10 favorite albums of all time in any genre. But those others are close.
These are all excellent albums! And besides Pyromania, ones that seem to get looked over and generally under appreciated.
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I would say that the middle three of those are metal (although there might be an argument that Empire isn't).
Well then, you'll have to enlighten us as to what your bizarro definition of what "hard rock" is. ;)
Honestly, I just don't see a need to parse those terms that thinly. For all but the heavier subgenres of rock/metal, they're virtually interchangeable, and have been since the early/mid '80s.
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Tough question. I'll list some of my top contenders:
Guns N' Roses: Appetite for Destruction
Guns N' Roses: Lies
Guns N' Roses: Use Your Illusion I
Guns N' Roses: Use Your Illusion II
Guns N' Roses: Chinese Democracy
It's REALLY hard to pick one favorite from the list.
This is also a very good take!
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Yay, a green arrow for jazz
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Well, I will always go with my default answer to virtually any question about a rock album. Alter Bridge's Blackbird album.
Even if it didn't get them huge album sales, this album was a major factor in changing people's perception of Alter Bridge. This album helped turned them from being a Creed spin-off band to being a legit standalone modern hard rock band. The songs itself on that album was solid and it has everything from catchy radio tunes, to ballads, to heavy fast paced songs, to an epic song that made the band.
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I would say that the middle three of those are metal (although there might be an argument that Empire isn't).
Well then, you'll have to enlighten us as to what your bizarro definition of what "hard rock" is. ;)
Honestly, I just don't see a need to parse those terms that thinly. For all but the heavier subgenres of rock/metal, they're virtually interchangeable, and have been since the early/mid '80s.
The OP did clearly say no Maiden or Queensrÿche as they are metal bands. Def Leppard are a hard rock band though and I would argue that Empire is the moment that Queensrÿche stopped being a metal band. Maiden though are the ultimate flag bearers for Heavy Metal.
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Tough question. I'll list some of my top contenders:
Guns N' Roses: Appetite for Destruction
Guns N' Roses: Lies
Guns N' Roses: Use Your Illusion I
Guns N' Roses: Use Your Illusion II
Guns N' Roses: Chinese Democracy
It's REALLY hard to pick one favorite from the list.
This is also a very good take!
:bosk1:
The OP did clearly say no Maiden or Queensrÿche as they are metal bands.
Yes. But his definitions of "metal" and "hard rock" are incorrect and worthy of being ignored, as others have pointed out.
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Agreed.
Queensrcyhe was always more art rock or hard rock than metal, if you ask me. Tate's vocals in the 80's were similar to other metal vocalists, but the music wasn't really that metal at all.
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Therapy? - Troublegum
It's not quite Metal. It's not quite Grunge. It's not quite Punk.
But it's all three. I always imagine it as if Nirvana made Metallica's Black Album.
I loved that album as a youngster! Going Nowhere, Screamager ...
I’m a bit surprised someone else knows it around here. Cheers.
I used to be really into them quite a lot, an ex girlfriend of mine got me hooked.
Haven't bothered with them for many years now.
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It's not a hard rock album. Only two tracks Limelight and Red Barchetta could be qualified as hard rock.
And I would say (as I think most everyone else here would) that every song on that album, with the possible exception of Vital Signs, is a hard rock song. If you don't think MP is hard rock, then you're going to have to enlighten us as to your bizarro definition of what "hard rock" is.
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YYZ has some hard rock elements, but I wouldn't call it a hard rock song. What is exactly hard rock about Tom Sawyer, The Camera Eye and Witch Hunt? I don't hear hard rock guitar riffs in those songs.
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I would say that the middle three of those are metal (although there might be an argument that Empire isn't).
Well then, you'll have to enlighten us as to what your bizarro definition of what "hard rock" is. ;)
Honestly, I just don't see a need to parse those terms that thinly. For all but the heavier subgenres of rock/metal, they're virtually interchangeable, and have been since the early/mid '80s.
The OP did clearly say no Maiden or Queensrÿche as they are metal bands. Def Leppard are a hard rock band though and I would argue that Empire is the moment that Queensrÿche stopped being a metal band. Maiden though are the ultimate flag bearers for Heavy Metal.
I would say RFO was the moment QR stopped being a metal band.
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I would say that the middle three of those are metal (although there might be an argument that Empire isn't).
Well then, you'll have to enlighten us as to what your bizarro definition of what "hard rock" is. ;)
Honestly, I just don't see a need to parse those terms that thinly. For all but the heavier subgenres of rock/metal, they're virtually interchangeable, and have been since the early/mid '80s.
The OP did clearly say no Maiden or Queensrÿche as they are metal bands. Def Leppard are a hard rock band though and I would argue that Empire is the moment that Queensrÿche stopped being a metal band. Maiden though are the ultimate flag bearers for Heavy Metal.
I would say RFO was the moment QR stopped being a metal band.
How is Operation Mincrime not heavy metal? It's very melodic, but it's heavy metal nonetheless.
If you say O:M is not heavy metal then you could say that Iron Maiden's SSOASS is not heavy metal either.
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Difficult to pick just one (so I won't) and even more so without wondering if someone will question if it's actually hard rock are not. Rock genres can intersect and sometimes do so on the same album. In fact, it happens a lot.
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I get a headache when the discussion of what constitutes hard rock as compared to heavy metal, hair metal, classic rock, speed metal, glam metal, pop metal, arena rock, progressive metal, progressive rock, thrash metal, etc. It can be a bit too much sometimes lol.
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So many choices, but I’m gonna actually go a bit more modern and say Halestorm-Strange Case Of.
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Next thread idea for WildRanger: when is something heavy metal instead of hard rock? Where do we draw the line?
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Honest answer to the question in the OP is frankly: I don't know, but the first thing that comes to mind is Argus by Wishbone Ash.
If that, or Rush, doesn't count then probably an album by this band called Queen, which I doubt many people will know, but another contender could be an album called Boston by a band called Boston from, you got it, Boston. But I don't think I really listen to a lot of 'hard rock'.
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The line I think is probably this. If you played the album in a public place would most people say “what the fuck is this? It’s giving me a headache” if so, it’s heavy metal. Operation Mindcrime definitely falls into that category, so does any Iron Maiden album.
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Next thread idea for WildRanger: when is something heavy metal instead of hard rock? Where do we draw the line?
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Honest answer to the question in the OP is frankly: I don't know, but the first thing that comes to mind is Argus by Wishbone Ash.
If that, or Rush, doesn't count then probably an album by this band called Queen, which I doubt many people will know, but another contender could be an album called Boston by a band called Boston from, you got it, Boston. But I don't think I really listen to a lot of 'hard rock'.
Notable hard rock bands: Led Zeppelin (but they were more than just hard rock), AC/DC, Deep Purple, Van Halen, Aerosmith (esp. 70's stuff), Scorpions, Guns N' Roses, Thin Lizzy, Rainbow, Uriah Heep, Blue Oyster Cult, 70's Rush and early Queen could also fall into that category (although Rush is primarily prog rock and Queen are very eclectic), Alice Cooper, early Boston, Whitesnake, UFO, Grand Funk, early Def Leppard, most 80's 'hair' or glam metal bands, Pearl Jam.
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I get a headache when the discussion of what constitutes hard rock as compared to heavy metal, hair metal, classic rock, speed metal, glam metal, pop metal, arena rock, progressive metal, progressive rock, thrash metal, etc. It can be a bit too much sometimes lol.
Was going to post but then this very thought hit me.
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Next thread idea for WildRanger: when is something heavy metal instead of hard rock? Where do we draw the line?
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Honest answer to the question in the OP is frankly: I don't know, but the first thing that comes to mind is Argus by Wishbone Ash.
If that, or Rush, doesn't count then probably an album by this band called Queen, which I doubt many people will know, but another contender could be an album called Boston by a band called Boston from, you got it, Boston. But I don't think I really listen to a lot of 'hard rock'.
Notable hard rock bands: Led Zeppelin (but they were more than just hard rock), AC/DC, Deep Purple, Van Halen, Aerosmith (esp. 70's stuff), Scorpions, Guns N' Roses, Thin Lizzy, Rainbow, Uriah Heep, Blue Oyster Cult, 70's Rush and early Queen could also fall into that category (although Rush is primarily prog rock and Queen are very eclectic), Alice Cooper, early Boston, Whitesnake, UFO, Grand Funk, early Def Leppard, most 80's 'hair' or glam metal bands, Pearl Jam.
I don't really think I need schooling on music genres, but thanks for the effort :)
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I don't generally listen to a lot of hard rock, and I don't know if this counts, but I pick Down on the Upside by Sound Garden. That is one of my favorite albums from the 90's.
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Is good metal objectively Led Zeppelin?
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Is good metal objectively Led Zeppelin?
Is Led Zeppelin objectively good metal?
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This is kind of an interesting discussion actually, I think. A band like Led Zeppelin was considered 'heavy metal' at the time, so it seems strange to deny them that genre tag now, but on the other hand, if a band that sounded like Led Zeppelin formed now, we wouldn't consider them anywhere near heavy metal (and in fact there is a band today that sounds exactly like Led Zeppelin, and I don't see anyone calling Greta Van Fleet heavy metal). The genre kind of moved on and left them behind.
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This is kind of an interesting discussion actually, I think. A band like Led Zeppelin was considered 'heavy metal' at the time, so it seems strange to deny them that genre tag now, but on the other hand, if a band that sounded like Led Zeppelin formed now, we wouldn't consider them anywhere near heavy metal (and in fact there is a band today that sounds exactly like Led Zeppelin, and I don't see anyone calling Greta Van Fleet heavy metal). The genre kind of moved on and left them behind.
Similarly, Elvis Presley was the King of Rock and Roll, but his music is a lot closer to modern country than it is to what most of us would consider rock.
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The Who- Quadrophenia
All others come in second.
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I’m 100% cool with anyone calling Led Zeppelin heavy metal, hard rock, classic rock, rock, or whatever. They are the innovators of hard rock no question about it :metal Chad will agree with me!
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Foghat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foghat_(1973_album) and Aerosmith https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocks_(Aerosmith_album) tie for my best 'hard rock' albums.
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:police: :bosk1:
Kotowboy Hot Take Alert !
So i'd never listened to Appetite For Destruction so I finally decided to spin it recently - and I guess you had to be there at the time as I couldn't enjoy it.
But I wonder how i'd feel about Metallica's Black Album if I'd only heard it the first time this year.
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This is kind of an interesting discussion actually, I think. A band like Led Zeppelin was considered 'heavy metal' at the time, so it seems strange to deny them that genre tag now, but on the other hand, if a band that sounded like Led Zeppelin formed now, we wouldn't consider them anywhere near heavy metal (and in fact there is a band today that sounds exactly like Led Zeppelin, and I don't see anyone calling Greta Van Fleet heavy metal). The genre kind of moved on and left them behind.
Looking at it from this perspective, Black Sabbath toes the line between hard rock and heavy metal even more closely than Zeppelin does.
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I’m 100% cool with anyone calling Led Zeppelin heavy metal, hard rock, classic rock, rock, or whatever. They are the innovators of hard rock no question about it :metal Chad will agree with me!
Somewhere, the head of Pete Townshend, who is still bitter that (in his mind) bands like Zeppelin took what the Who were already doing and were successful, is exploding.
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Yeah, well maybe if The Who didn't suck....
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Man, you just got volumes and volumes of issues.
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Hah! I was just kidding. It's the first thing that popped into my head after reading Kev's post.
But I'm actually not into The Who.
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Those labels shift and have shifted like crazy. I can remember my brother in the 80's laughing at the record store putting albums by acts like Uriah Heep and Blue Oyster Cult in the Heavy Metal Box.
The boundaries between genres are very personal, subjective, and era-related.
As far as I'm concerned, Helter Skelter was the first hard rock tune, Ride in the Sky by Lucifer's Friend the first Heavy Metal one.
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I'm very sceptical of anything thats labelled "classic" or "must see/hear" as most of the time it falls way short of expectation.
I remember critics saying Y Tu Mama Tambien was a must-see film.
I watched it and thought it was complete cack.
I also reject the idea that guitarists / bands from the 70s cannot be beaten ever ever.
Or the idea that there was never or never will be a bass player better than Cliff Burton ( for example ) - when people like Les Claypool and Victor Wooten run circles around him. ***
It seems like if something is 'old' and 'classic' then nobody is
a. ) Allowed to dislike the thing
or
b.) Suggest anything from modern times is better - because it can't be.
Hogwash.
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*** Even Rob Trujillo is technically superior to Burton.
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I don't generally listen to a lot of hard rock, and I don't know if this counts, but I pick Down on the Upside by Sound Garden. That is one of my favorite albums from the 90's.
That is a fantastic record.
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I'm very sceptical of anything thats labelled "classic" or "must see/hear" as most of the time it falls way short of expectation.
I remember critics saying Y Tu Mama Tambien was a must-see film.
I watched it and thought it was complete cack.
I didn't see "Y Tu Mama Tambien", but the only part I would argue with is that there are certain albums/artists I think you have to hear to get the bigger picture. It's not about "liking them" per se, but just knowing they exist, and where they "come from". Hendrix is in there. The Beatles from Revolver through Sgt. Pepper. Tommy. It's important because it informs a lot (all?) of what comes after. I never got into Hendrix much because I thought the radio hits sucked and the guy can't sing worth his balls. I did like Little Wing though. Then I got gifted his first three albums (Are You Experienced?, Axis: Bold As Love, and Electric Ladyland) and it unlocked so much. I either understood, or understood better, players from Blackmore to Roth to Vai, to even a lot of grunge, and it made a lot of the music of the last 40 years make a lot more sense.
You can basically play a drinking game off those first three records: "oh, that's Uli Roth on <this song>; oh, that Steve Vai on <that song>; oh, Blackmore quoted that on <the other song>". I think that information is, or can be, important.
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okay, but if you're going to go down that way, you'll need to know where Hendrix got his information and musical upbringing (probably rock and roll and blues), and then go down the drain of the artists those RnR/Blues/RnB/whatever artists were inspired by. Where do we stop factoring in what came before and simply enjoy it for what it is? Why is Hendrix (in your example) the cut-off point and not Robert Johnson? Or any other artist?
If you consider all music to be an art form and art is not static and does not exist in a vacuum, that means all music conceived has drawn inspiration from some music somebody else created first. Some people (let's call them the canon) have had more influence than others (Hendrix, The Beatles, but also Bach, Beethoven, Brahms etc.), but does influencing somebody else make you good per se? I absolutely agree that in order to properly understand stuff, you need to know what it comes from, but also what it is, does, or tries to do. That said, from an artistic standpoint, I think it's very silly to say stuff like 'guitarists in the 70s were the best ever' or 'the best pop songs were made by the Beatles' or 'Jimi Hendrix was the best guitarist ever to grace the earth', so in that respect I also agree with a lot of what Kotowboy suggests.
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Tommy sucks.
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Tommy sucks.
This made me laugh :lol
Not because I agree or disagree (I don't think I've ever heard Tommy in full), but because it's so random.
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It's a blatant request to have the username changed into Cousin Kevin :P
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Don't any of you bastards dare touch The Walrus's name :getoffmylawn:
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okay, but if you're going to go down that way, you'll need to know where Hendrix got his information and musical upbringing (probably rock and roll and blues), and then go down the drain of the artists those RnR/Blues/RnB/whatever artists were inspired by. Where do we stop factoring in what came before and simply enjoy it for what it is? Why is Hendrix (in your example) the cut-off point and not Robert Johnson? Or any other artist?
If you consider all music to be an art form and art is not static and does not exist in a vacuum, that means all music conceived has drawn inspiration from some music somebody else created first. Some people (let's call them the canon) have had more influence than others (Hendrix, The Beatles, but also Bach, Beethoven, Brahms etc.), but does influencing somebody else make you good per se? I absolutely agree that in order to properly understand stuff, you need to know what it comes from, but also what it is, does, or tries to do. That said, from an artistic standpoint, I think it's very silly to say stuff like 'guitarists in the 70s were the best ever' or 'the best pop songs were made by the Beatles' or 'Jimi Hendrix was the best guitarist ever to grace the earth', so in that respect I also agree with a lot of what Kotowboy suggests.
There are no absolutes here, it's just information, and people can make of it what they want. I do both, for example. I will sometimes put on Harry Styles "Watermelon Sugar" on repeat, because the melody is just so damn catchy. All I was saying is, it can be interesting.
One can go down the rabbit hole, but I think there are plateaus and jumps. I think that while it's important to know that Johnson came before Hendrix and Zeppelin and Free, it's fun to watch how those three artists took the same raw materials and took it to another level, and some a different level. I think it's fascinating to hear how Eddie Van Halen is heavily influenced by Eric Clapton; I can't find even a NOTE of Clapton in his playing. It's like cooking; I think it's interesting to know what ingredients are being used, but Alex Guarnaschelli isn't a worse cook because she uses the same tomatoes, salt and pepper that I do.
If one isn't interested in that history, that's fine. No harm no foul. The ONLY time it comes into play is when a current generation lauds someone for being "one of a kind" and they're not.
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Isn't hard rock the most popular or most successful form of rock music?
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Tommy sucks.
Nope. Along with Who's Next and Quad it's a classic by The Who.
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Isn't hard rock the most popular or most successful form of rock music?
This is even more hilarious than the 'Tommy sucks.' post above.
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I am definitely on the "historical context" camp, I really can't help it. Leaving alone the obvious matter of influences, I'd point out that before it became possible to sample/model/reamp everything with a fingertip, rock music was (also) a progression of technological inventions/lucky accidents/experiments left to future musicians to play with and expand on. Plus, new sounds informed and inform new ears in an endless cycle (until we stop looking for new sounds, that is).
I find the idea of pitting musicians of different eras against each other in imaginary contests utterly pointless. As an analogy, Hamilton's pole positions, Senna's godlike driving in the rain at Donnington, Villeneuve and Arnoux trading paint for a whole lap: they're all part of the same chain of technology and proficiency tradition, yet uncomparable on absolute terms.
Furthermore, when comparing musicians, too often only mere execution is under the scope; too bad a musician is such mainly because she/he's writing music.
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Tommy sucks.
Nope. Along with Who's Next and Quad it's a classic by The Who.
Yes, it is a classic. I still think it sucks, WildTroll. But does it objectively suck?
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Furthermore, when comparing musicians, too often only mere execution is under the scope; too bad a musician is such mainly because she/he's writing music.
And then not even 'execution', but just what was put to tape and released. This is getting into a meta-discussion swiftly, but are we really hearing 'music' when we listen to recordings? Oftentimes the thing you hear - exactly as you hear it - has never been played that way. What is the music then? Is it what you hear, is it what the musicians perform when you hear them play it live, is it merely an idea in the composer's mind or is it something else entirely? 'Music' is ephemeral and only there at the exact moment it's played or heard. Yet what you hear on recordings has never really been played..
:corn
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Oh, what a wonderful face to face alcohol-fueled evening conversation this would be!
Anyway, I believe what you hear is always music, whether it comes from a recording, a live instrument, or inside your head.
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Oh, what a wonderful face to face alcohol-fueled evening conversation this would be!
I’d love to
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Is good metal objectively Led Zeppelin?
Is Led Zeppelin objectively good metal?
Objectively, metal makes good zeppelins.
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Furthermore, when comparing musicians, too often only mere execution is under the scope; too bad a musician is such mainly because she/he's writing music.
And then not even 'execution', but just what was put to tape and released. This is getting into a meta-discussion swiftly, but are we really hearing 'music' when we listen to recordings? Oftentimes the thing you hear - exactly as you hear it - has never been played that way. What is the music then? Is it what you hear, is it what the musicians perform when you hear them play it live, is it merely an idea in the composer's mind or is it something else entirely? 'Music' is ephemeral and only there at the exact moment it's played or heard. Yet what you hear on recordings has never really been played..
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DUDE! That idea is right up my alley. That's a fascinating idea.
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Just jumping in here to comment on Tommy. When I was in my 'classic rock is the only thing I listen to' phase, I listened to The Who as much as any group, and Tommy all the time. In my current 'I listen to classic rock occasionally' phase, I still listen to The Who as much as any band in any genre, yet never listen to Tommy. Disregarding its standing in history for a moment, it pales in comparison next to Pete's two landmark masterpieces, Who's Next and Quadrophenia.
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Furthermore, when comparing musicians, too often only mere execution is under the scope; too bad a musician is such mainly because she/he's writing music.
And then not even 'execution', but just what was put to tape and released. This is getting into a meta-discussion swiftly, but are we really hearing 'music' when we listen to recordings? Oftentimes the thing you hear - exactly as you hear it - has never been played that way. What is the music then? Is it what you hear, is it what the musicians perform when you hear them play it live, is it merely an idea in the composer's mind or is it something else entirely? 'Music' is ephemeral and only there at the exact moment it's played or heard. Yet what you hear on recordings has never really been played..
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DUDE! That idea is right up my alley. That's a fascinating idea.
You’re invited to Indi’s and mine musical / philosophical wine (or whatever you prefer) evening :)
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Furthermore, when comparing musicians, too often only mere execution is under the scope; too bad a musician is such mainly because she/he's writing music.
And then not even 'execution', but just what was put to tape and released. This is getting into a meta-discussion swiftly, but are we really hearing 'music' when we listen to recordings? Oftentimes the thing you hear - exactly as you hear it - has never been played that way. What is the music then? Is it what you hear, is it what the musicians perform when you hear them play it live, is it merely an idea in the composer's mind or is it something else entirely? 'Music' is ephemeral and only there at the exact moment it's played or heard. Yet what you hear on recordings has never really been played..
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DUDE! That idea is right up my alley. That's a fascinating idea.
You’re invited to Indi’s and mine musical / philosophical wine (or whatever you prefer) evening :)
Wine is fine! I'll bring a couple reds!
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"A couple reds, a couple whites, it all depends upon your appetites"
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"Appetites... for destruction."
*Big Ass Monster Truck crashes through banquet hall wall*
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Tommy sucks.
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Didn't read whole thread but what really qualifies as hard rock? Is Quadrophenia hard rock? Or Sad Wings of Destiny?
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BOSTON
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Cheap Trick Heaven Tonight
Van Halen II
Led Zep II
Thin Lizzy Jailbreak
Aerosmith Rocks
Ozzy Diary of a Madman
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Cheap Trick Heaven Tonight
Van Halen II
Led Zep II
Thin Lizzy Jailbreak
Aerosmith Rocks
Ozzy Diary of a Madman
Other than Jailbreak, that's a phenomenal list. I like the Cheap Trick nod; they STILL don't get enough love if you ask me.
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Cheap Trick Heaven Tonight
Van Halen II
Led Zep II
Thin Lizzy Jailbreak
Aerosmith Rocks
Ozzy Diary of a Madman
Other than Jailbreak, that's a phenomenal list. I like the Cheap Trick nod; they STILL don't get enough love if you ask me.
Thank You But Jailbreak could be the greatest CD made : )
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I agree that Jailbreak’s a fun album :)
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Cheap Trick Heaven Tonight
Van Halen II
Led Zep II
Thin Lizzy Jailbreak
Aerosmith Rocks
Ozzy Diary of a Madman
Other than Jailbreak, that's a phenomenal list. I like the Cheap Trick nod; they STILL don't get enough love if you ask me.
What's wrong with Jailbreak?
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Thin Lizzy kicks ass
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Cheap Trick Heaven Tonight
Van Halen II
Led Zep II
Thin Lizzy Jailbreak
Aerosmith Rocks
Ozzy Diary of a Madman
Other than Jailbreak, that's a phenomenal list. I like the Cheap Trick nod; they STILL don't get enough love if you ask me.
What's wrong with Jailbreak?
It was recorded by Thin Lizzy.
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Cheap Trick Heaven Tonight
Van Halen II
Led Zep II
Thin Lizzy Jailbreak
Aerosmith Rocks
Ozzy Diary of a Madman
Other than Jailbreak, that's a phenomenal list. I like the Cheap Trick nod; they STILL don't get enough love if you ask me.
What's wrong with Jailbreak?
I have a hard time getting past Phil Lynott's voice, and I'm still very confused as to where the jailbreak actually is going to take place. That bothers me, because I want to be there when it happens.
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Cheap Trick Heaven Tonight
Van Halen II
Led Zep II
Thin Lizzy Jailbreak
Aerosmith Rocks
Ozzy Diary of a Madman
Other than Jailbreak, that's a phenomenal list. I like the Cheap Trick nod; they STILL don't get enough love if you ask me.
What's wrong with Jailbreak?
I have a hard time getting past Phil Lynott's voice, and I'm still very confused as to where the jailbreak actually is going to take place. That bothers me, because I want to be there when it happens.
Hey now...that's my bugaboo! "Somewhere in this town"?! Why so vague, Phil? Why would a jailbreak take place anywhere other than at the friggin' jail?! How am I supposed to not "be around" if I don't have the specifics about the location?
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HAHAHAHA, and I'm pretty sure that I DID actually steal that from you, so credit where credit is due! :) :) :)
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Thin Lizzy kicks ass
I agree. They are a hard rock band that deserves wide appreciation.
I love their unique and distinctive style and vibe.
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I love Phls voice and hisi ability to tell his life story and story tell in their sings and they helped create they metal sound along with Judas back then
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Cheap Trick Heaven Tonight
Van Halen II
Led Zep II
Thin Lizzy Jailbreak
Aerosmith Rocks
Ozzy Diary of a Madman
Other than Jailbreak, that's a phenomenal list. I like the Cheap Trick nod; they STILL don't get enough love if you ask me.
What's wrong with Jailbreak?
I have a hard time getting past Phil Lynott's voice, and I'm still very confused as to where the jailbreak actually is going to take place. That bothers me, because I want to be there when it happens.
I know music is subjective but wow, there are people that don’t like Phil Lynott’s voice? I didn’t think that was possible.
I’m kind of a pick and mix Thin Lizzy fan. The Jailbreak album for example has 4 songs I love (Jailbreak, TBABIT, Cowboy Song and Emerald) but would never listen to anything else off that record. That pattern goes across most of their albums for me. Super influential band though with two of hard rocks biggest ever bands (Bon Jovi and Def Leppard) both citing them as a major influence especially Leppard with the twin guitar stuff.
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Bon Jovi actually did a really good cover of The Boys Are Back In Town.
My favorite Thin Lizzy album is Renegade, but if I'm picking from the classic Robertson Era, I go Bad Reputation.
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Bon Jovi actually did a really good cover of The Boys Are Back In Town.
My favorite Thin Lizzy album is Renegade, but if I'm picking from the classic Robertson Era, I go Bad Reputation.
You’re right, I forgot about that. Jon Bon Jovi has said many times though that people don’t realise how much he stole from Thin Lizzy. When Bon Jovi used to be good of course.
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And indeed, Bon Jovi used to be good.
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Cheap Trick Heaven Tonight
Van Halen II
Led Zep II
Thin Lizzy Jailbreak
Aerosmith Rocks
Ozzy Diary of a Madman
Other than Jailbreak, that's a phenomenal list. I like the Cheap Trick nod; they STILL don't get enough love if you ask me.
What's wrong with Jailbreak?
I have a hard time getting past Phil Lynott's voice, and I'm still very confused as to where the jailbreak actually is going to take place. That bothers me, because I want to be there when it happens.
I know music is subjective but wow, there are people that don’t like Phil Lynott’s voice? I didn’t think that was possible.
I’m kind of a pick and mix Thin Lizzy fan. The Jailbreak album for example has 4 songs I love (Jailbreak, TBABIT, Cowboy Song and Emerald) but would never listen to anything else off that record. That pattern goes across most of their albums for me. Super influential band though with two of hard rocks biggest ever bands (Bon Jovi and Def Leppard) both citing them as a major influence especially Leppard with the twin guitar stuff.
F-ing Maiden. They're unabashedly grateful to Thin Lizzy for the twin-guitar attack (them and Wishbone Ash).
And yeah; Lynott's voice is the single greatest hurdle for me. And no, it doesn't necessarily make sense, because Brian Robertson's one album with Motorhead - Another Perfect Day - is BY FAR my favorite Motorhead album.
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Oh, yeah Brian Robertson was an awesome guitar player, him and Lynott are the two things that I love about the band.
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Houses of the Holy - Zeppelin
I know the idea is to pick 'one' album, but I'm going to add these to my original pick anyway:
Fireball - Deep Purple
Paranoid - Sabbath
Aqualung - Tull
Animals - Floyd
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I learned today that after Mark II and before Mark III, Blackmore mooted an idea of him, Lynott and Ian Paice in a trio doing a more Hendrix-blues-psychedelia trio thing.
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I learned today that after Mark II and before Mark III, Blackmore mooted an idea of him, Lynott and Ian Paice in a trio doing a more Hendrix-blues-psychedelia trio thing.
Wow, where'd you hear that? That's juicy.
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I learned today that after Mark II and before Mark III, Blackmore mooted an idea of him, Lynott and Ian Paice in a trio doing a more Hendrix-blues-psychedelia trio thing.
Wow, where'd you hear that? That's juicy.
https://youtu.be/oU87aAW_j_A
I'm guessing about 45 minutes in, plus/minus.