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Title: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: Crow on June 17, 2020, 01:42:55 AM
Cyril’s Lead-Filled Roulette

The Walrus has refused to accept any lead in his ongoing roulette, so we’ve got a surplus here in Cyril Industries. What better way to make use of it than with a friendly game of Russian Roulette?

It’s a metal-only roulette with a really bad game concept applied on top of it! Not for the faint of heart, or anyone taking things too seriously.

"Alive"
1. Elite

Dead.
4. Puppies_On_Acid (Round 1)
9. Indiscipline (Round 2)
8. Nekov (Round 2)
6. Mr. Crabs (Round 2)
7. Tomislav95 (Round 4)
3. Dacul (Round 4)
2. ariich (Round 5)
5. Stadler (Final Round)

Useful links:
Rules and Round Structure (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55389.msg2673438#msg2673438)
Banned List (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55389.msg2673441#msg2673441)
Artists Banned During the Roulette (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55389.msg2673442#msg2673442)
Tastes (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55389.msg2673439#msg2673439)
Roulette Grading Scale  (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55389.msg2673440#msg2673440)
My RateYourMusic Page (https://rateyourmusic.com/~CyrilPanda)

Past roulettes:
Roulette v1 (http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44434.0)
Roulette v1.5 (http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=47943.0)
Roulette v2.5 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50206)
Roulette v3 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=52411)
Roulette v4 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53404.0)
Roulette v6 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=54377)

Round Results
Round 1: Impressions (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55389.msg2675513#msg2675513) - Results (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55389.msg2677173#msg2677173)
Round 2: Impressions (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55389.msg2678393#msg2678393) - Results (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55389.msg2682577#msg2682577)
Round 3: Impressions (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55389.msg2683592#msg2683592) - Results (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55389.msg2684768#msg2684768)
Round 4: Impressions (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55389.msg2685869#msg2685869) - Results (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55389.msg2687021#msg2687021)
Round 5: Impressions (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55389.msg2688078#msg2688078) - Results (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55389.msg2689087#msg2689087)
Final Round: Results (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55389.msg2691013#msg2691013)
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (give me a bit to set up)
Post by: Crow on June 17, 2020, 01:43:15 AM
Roulette Structure:
No player limit. There will be at most 5 rounds, followed by a sudden death round if necessary. Eliminations will happen regularly and hopefully often enough to ensure sudden death does not occur.

One song per round, no strict length limit but please be reasonable. Generally the best-scoring songs sit in the 7 to 10 minute range for me, 15+ minute epics don’t tend to sit as well with me anyways.

Rules:
1. Send songs via PM. Highest preference is Spotify if available, then direct MP3 links, followed by YouTube or any other sharing site as a last resort
2. There is no limitation on how many people are allowed to send the same song or artist in a round.  If the same song is sent by multiple people, that’s fine. You’ll all get the same score.
3. I reserve the right to reject any song or artist not on the banlist, most likely because I either know the specific song or the band probably should be on my banlist (which I will update if so).
4. Submissions are due within 48 hours after the last round’s results have been posted, barring any special exceptions for vacations. If you don’t send within 48 hours, well, again, we here at Cyril Industries have plenty of lead to spare for you. Every additional 24 hours delay will net you one penalty bullet per day. If you haven’t sent by the time results are ready, it’s instant elimination.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (give me a bit to set up)
Post by: Crow on June 17, 2020, 01:43:47 AM
Tastes:
I feel at this point this section is a little redundant, but I’ll keep it brief:

1.   I like music that emotes. More specifically, music that stirs up intense emotions. Could be just really beautiful tunes, or something intense and powerful. But sounding sterile and lifeless and lacking in emotion is the quickest way to bore me.
2.   I don’t like stuff that sounds “generic”. The definition of this probably varies, but unless you’re doing a well-established sound especially well, it’s highly likely you won’t catch my interest without some element that makes your music stand out. Generic prog metal, generic black metal, literally anything neo-prog, post-rock, post-metal, or especially power metal tends to bore me as there are so many bands in these genres just recycling other bands’ sounds with absolutely no new twist.
3.   Technicality is important but I also don’t like mindless wankery. Animals As Leaders blows. Music that exists to show off blows. Long strings of solos are less interesting than instrumental passages of instruments playing off each other in cool ways.
4.   Most importantly, I need some melody. Be it a catchy chorus, a sticky guitar hook, some really groovy basslines, whatever, but I don’t want shrill electronic noises or tuneless death/black/sludge metal songs that are either nonstop dissonant noodling or boring sludgy chugging. These elements both have their places as contrast to melodic moments, but they should rarely if ever be the main feature of a song.

I like metal the most, clearly. Pretty much open to most genres of metal, but I don’t really like sludge metal, thrash metal, deathcore, or djent, aside from the kind of stuff I already mentioned above. Black metal has been a favorite in recent years as has the more melodic side of technical death metal. I’ve also been on a post-hardcore kick for about a year and a half. And as ever bands with progressive tendencies tend to be my favorite as they more often than not require a lot of the above mentioned elements to be present. You’re free to challenge my tastes if you want but I’ve had plenty of years and plenty of roulettes to really hone in on the kind of stuff I like and at this point any risk you take is your own liability.

To be more specific, as this roulette is metal-only, here are my preferences for what I’d ideally prefer to be sent:
•   Most looking for: GOOD prog metal (no djent)
•   Other good choices: atmospheric black metal, post-hardcore
•   It depends: death metal, other black metal, post-metal
•   Probably not: power metal, folk metal, metalcore & other -core genres, djent, "classic" heavy metal
•   Very not: thrash metal, doom metal, sludge metal, nu-metal, industrial metal
•   If it's not listed here it's safe to assume it's under "probably not" unless I missed something really obvious

Since I understand submission choices may be limited, if it rocks hard enough that it could be considered metal by a reasonable stretch, I’ll allow it, but know that you would be sending something outside the scope of what I’m looking for here.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (give me a bit to set up)
Post by: Crow on June 17, 2020, 01:44:50 AM
Roulette Grading Scale:

Each song will be scored out of 5 bullets, with more bullets being worse. Any artist that receives 1 or 0 bullets will be banned. I’ve also listed roughly what each # of bullets would map to on a 0 to 10 scale, just for reference. You can’t get more than 5 bullets, unless you fail to send on time.

(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png): Does nothing for me. Completely average or worse. (0 to 5)
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/7A7Z4M1.png): It’s okay but I can’t imagine myself revisiting it. (5 to 6)
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/7A7Z4M1.png) (https://i.imgur.com/7A7Z4M1.png): Decent but doesn’t really excite me. (6 to 7)
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/7A7Z4M1.png) (https://i.imgur.com/7A7Z4M1.png) (https://i.imgur.com/7A7Z4M1.png): Pretty good, might check out this album, might not. (7 to 8)
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/7A7Z4M1.png) (https://i.imgur.com/7A7Z4M1.png) (https://i.imgur.com/7A7Z4M1.png) (https://i.imgur.com/7A7Z4M1.png): Quite good, I’ll probably pick up this album. (8 to 9)
(https://i.imgur.com/7A7Z4M1.png) (https://i.imgur.com/7A7Z4M1.png) (https://i.imgur.com/7A7Z4M1.png) (https://i.imgur.com/7A7Z4M1.png) (https://i.imgur.com/7A7Z4M1.png): I love this, please send more like it. (9 to 10)

After each round, I will spin a wheel to simulate a 6-barrelled game of Russian Roulette, and the # of bullets given per round will be loaded into the chambers. Whatever result the wheel lands on is final and immediate. There is no cumulative scoring between rounds.

If 5 rounds pass and there is still more than one player left alive, the roulette will go to sudden death, where every remaining player submits a song and the best song wins the whole thing.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (give me a bit to set up)
Post by: Crow on June 17, 2020, 01:45:06 AM
Banned List:
Because my standard ban list is, frankly, absurd, and since this roulette is already limiting the submission pool by its theming, I’ve decided to instead formulate a new ban list strategy.

1. Any album I have rated on RateYourMusic is banned. Any artist I have rated 4 stars or higher on RYM is banned. My RYM page is here (https://rateyourmusic.com/~CyrilPanda) and you can search from there.
2. Any album I own that is not rated is also banned. See my collection lists, and on the off chance that I have missed rating something older than that in my collection, I will update my RYM page appropriately.
3. Any song or album that was sent in a previous roulette is banned. I have compiled a spreadsheet of every song and album I have been sent in a roulette here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mrlZyqNdAoW2UtQnL1FWnusy5bRorSGRRYQ_aq7FZIg/edit#gid=0).
4. Any artist I have been sent 3 or more times in a roulette is also banned. If they’ve been sent three times and I still haven’t gotten into them, it’s probably a sign they’re just not for me. We’ll call this the Katatonia rule.
5. I reserve the right to ban anything not covered by the above lists if I’m familiar enough with it to the point where sending it to me feels redundant, I will let you know.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (give me a bit to set up)
Post by: Crow on June 17, 2020, 01:45:15 AM
Artists Banned During the Roulette:

Round 1:
Gospel
Steve Vai
The Arusha Accord

Round 2:
Mutoid Man
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (give me a bit to set up)
Post by: Elite on June 17, 2020, 01:45:42 AM
Three huge posts within one minute. If that doesn't scream 'preparation' I don't know what does. I'm here completely unprepared with almost nothing to send, but let's do it anyway. If anything, I might discover some fun stuff myself as well!
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (give me a bit to set up)
Post by: Crow on June 17, 2020, 01:46:56 AM
Okay now I am set up.

Signups will go until the end of Sunday PST (June 21st, 2020). Submit whenever you're ready I guess  :metal

I wanna keep this one fast-paced and ideally shoot for it to be done in under a month. I'm probably not going to give as many listens or write as in-depth writeups as usual, either. Because I don't feel like it. This is a kind of silly roulette concept anyways but I want to do something fun & hopefully get some good metal out of it too  :corn

Three huge posts within one minute. If that doesn't scream 'preparation' I don't know what does. I'm here completely unprepared with almost nothing to send, but let's do it anyway. If anything, I might discover some fun stuff myself as well!

I spent a huge chunk of my evening prepping the banlist and putting together the introductory posts, I was 0% prepared when I woke up this morning tbh  :lol

Though some of this is just straight copy-pasted from previous roulettes.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (give me a bit to set up)
Post by: Elite on June 17, 2020, 01:47:09 AM
Crap, I ruined it already, didn't I? :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (give me a bit to set up)
Post by: Crow on June 17, 2020, 01:48:23 AM
Crap, I ruined it already, didn't I? :lol

nah you're good I'm done with opening posts
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (give me a bit to set up)
Post by: Elite on June 17, 2020, 01:48:59 AM
But at the time I was posting the first one there were only three posts and now there are 5 of them :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (give me a bit to set up)
Post by: Elite on June 17, 2020, 01:50:18 AM
So let's get this straight. No matter how well my song scores (unless I get 0 bullets) I can still get eliminated by the russian roulette thing after each round?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (give me a bit to set up)
Post by: Crow on June 17, 2020, 01:52:28 AM
So let's get this straight. No matter how well my song scores (unless I get 0 bullets) I can still get eliminated by the russian roulette thing after each round?
Yep! Sending a better song just increases your chances of survival!
I'm considering retooling the sudden death round to be some kind of western shootout type thing similar to Indi's Royal Rumble but that also has the potential for it to last more than one round, which I don't want  :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (give me a bit to set up)
Post by: ariich on June 17, 2020, 01:53:20 AM
Time to put my life on the line! :metal
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: Crow on June 17, 2020, 01:54:39 AM
ariich, can you help me enforce that whoever gets killed in my roulette gets banned from DTF for real? :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: Elite on June 17, 2020, 02:04:10 AM
I hope you'll make videos of the russian roulette thing. Ooh the excitement.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: Crow on June 17, 2020, 02:20:23 AM
Oh yeah absolutely, that was the plan. Even found a wheel site that lets me upload images  :corn
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: The Walrus on June 17, 2020, 07:10:43 AM
The Walrus is here to embarrass itself
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on June 17, 2020, 07:29:48 AM
Wait, does everyone get their own individual russian roulettes? Or does scoring better increase everyone's chance of survival?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: ariich on June 17, 2020, 07:34:56 AM
Right, now that I've signed up, I need to figure out what metal I actually have to send you. :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: Indiscipline on June 17, 2020, 07:37:41 AM
I'd love to obnoxiously join this, but I'm pretty short on metal produced in the internet age  :-\
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 17, 2020, 08:39:05 AM
I'm in just for the shear ridiculousness of the roulette structure!

I mean a roulette that is an actual roulette? How absurd!  :lol

By the way you are banned from my Black Metal Album of the Week thread until this roulette is over, or until I get killed. Whichever happens first.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: Sacul on June 17, 2020, 09:23:57 AM
am in just to be the first to get the bullet :metal
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: Crow on June 17, 2020, 09:40:36 AM
Wait, does everyone get their own individual russian roulettes? Or does scoring better increase everyone's chance of survival?
why would everyone get the same russian roulette  :lol

By the way you are banned from my Black Metal Album of the Week thread until this roulette is over, or until I get killed. Whichever happens first.
good most of those frickin' suck anyways :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on June 17, 2020, 09:42:46 AM
Basically everything I could send you here falls squarely into the "very not" category so I'll be skipping this one :P
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: The Walrus on June 17, 2020, 09:46:16 AM
Sent some crap
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: Evermind on June 17, 2020, 09:57:03 AM
Yeah, I'll skip, good luck to those who are playing. I'll probably roll a d6 for each participant after the results are posted to see if they would've survived in the alternate universe though.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on June 17, 2020, 09:57:47 AM
Basically everything I could send you here falls squarely into the "very not" category so I'll be skipping this one :P

 :lol Yeah pretty much this. I think Cyril and I are musical opposites anyway. If we ever collide we'll both be annihilated.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: Crow on June 17, 2020, 10:05:05 AM
y'all are cowards i say  :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: The Walrus on June 17, 2020, 10:13:51 AM
I'm playing and ya'll are dropping out. Best timeline
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: Stadler on June 17, 2020, 10:39:28 AM
I'll give it a go, because, sure why not.  But I don't think I'm going to find it easy to send stuff.   
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: TAC on June 17, 2020, 10:43:32 AM
The Walrus is here to embarrass itself

That’s redundant.

Sent some crap

So is that.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: TAC on June 17, 2020, 10:43:43 AM
In!
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: The Walrus on June 17, 2020, 10:47:26 AM
The Walrus is here to embarrass itself

That’s redundant.

Sent some crap

So is that.

Wow, the shade! Can't wait for you to eat these words and embarrass yourself, Crankshaft  :biggrin: :corn
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: Crow on June 17, 2020, 11:08:26 AM
I'll give it a go, because, sure why not.  But I don't think I'm going to find it easy to send stuff.
just a reminder to everyone that you need to find, at absolute most, 6 songs, and odds are you won't even need that many, so... if the question is finding stuff to send it can't be -that- hard, right? i've even relaxed my banlist quite a bit :P
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 17, 2020, 11:08:47 AM
I'm playing and ya'll are dropping out. Best timeline
Pretty sure this is the darkest timeline

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/f6e31f35d88833de6f927d13b5e98b92/tumblr_ogd8zu6UIr1rba34go1_250.gifv)
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: The Walrus on June 17, 2020, 11:38:23 AM
I'm playing and ya'll are dropping out. Best timeline
Pretty sure this is the darkest timeline

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/f6e31f35d88833de6f927d13b5e98b92/tumblr_ogd8zu6UIr1rba34go1_250.gifv)

That's racist.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 17, 2020, 11:48:12 AM
I'm playing and ya'll are dropping out. Best timeline
Pretty sure this is the darkest timeline

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/f6e31f35d88833de6f927d13b5e98b92/tumblr_ogd8zu6UIr1rba34go1_250.gifv)

That's racist.
I don't get it...
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: The Walrus on June 17, 2020, 11:54:23 AM
I was joking  :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: Evermind on June 17, 2020, 11:55:26 AM
Honestly I just have no interest in playing in your roulettes anymore, I pretty much sent you all the stuff I thought you may like, and the rest I've got aren't going to do very well in my opinion.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: Crow on June 17, 2020, 11:56:18 AM
i think doing well in this roulette is an impossibility because it's entirely possible to send the best song of the round and still get eliminated but yeah fair  :P
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: Stadler on June 17, 2020, 12:56:33 PM
I'll give it a go, because, sure why not.  But I don't think I'm going to find it easy to send stuff.
just a reminder to everyone that you need to find, at absolute most, 6 songs, and odds are you won't even need that many, so... if the question is finding stuff to send it can't be -that- hard, right? i've even relaxed my banlist quite a bit :P

This is why I wrote that:

•   Most looking for: GOOD prog metal  YAY!   Dream Theater
•   Other good choices: atmospheric black metal, post-hardcore  Uh...wut?
•   It depends: death metal, other black metal, post-metal    And this is different from the above how?
•   Probably not: power metal, folk metal, metalcore & other -core genres, djent, "classic" heavy metal  Wait, YAY, I know classic heavy metal!   But "folk metal"?   "Metalcore"?  Is that porno?   
•   Very not: thrash metal, doom metal, sludge metal, nu-metal, industrial metal   Uh.... wut?

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on June 17, 2020, 01:01:24 PM
Just wait until you learn about grindcore
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: Crow on June 17, 2020, 01:01:48 PM
...if you know what I mean  :hat
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 17, 2020, 01:02:06 PM
Just wait until you learn about grindcore
Or pornogrind, for that matter....
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: ariich on June 17, 2020, 01:24:33 PM
i think doing well in this roulette is an impossibility because it's entirely possible to send the best song of the round and still get eliminated but yeah fair  :P
True - is this the first actual roulette in a DTF roulette, or has anyone else done that before?

And yeah it's not about having enough stuff to send that's eligible, it's having enough stuff to send that's eligible and that you might find vaguely acceptable. :P
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on June 17, 2020, 01:28:13 PM
i think doing well in this roulette is an impossibility because it's entirely possible to send the best song of the round and still get eliminated but yeah fair  :P
True - is this the first actual roulette in a DTF roulette, or has anyone else done that before?

Better question is, if that's the case, why are these called roulettes? I've always wondered that, to be honest. :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: ariich on June 17, 2020, 01:31:00 PM
i think doing well in this roulette is an impossibility because it's entirely possible to send the best song of the round and still get eliminated but yeah fair  :P
True - is this the first actual roulette in a DTF roulette, or has anyone else done that before?

Better question is, if that's the case, why are these called roulettes? I've always wondered that, to be honest. :lol
Because orcus.

Behold the first ever song roulette, which we're almost at the 10-year anniversary of: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=15208.0

EDIT: Back in the quaint old days when an entire roulette only took 4 pages. :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: The Walrus on June 17, 2020, 01:38:41 PM
Boy this place really took that 'one song per round' idea and blew it up over time huh  :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on June 17, 2020, 01:42:04 PM
EDIT: Back in the quaint old days when an entire roulette only took 4 pages. :lol

Hey, my third roulette was only five pages long and that was only in 2016! That roulette was kinda lame though, to be honest. :lol
Hangmangs definitely make the threads... a bit longer.
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Post by: Crow on June 17, 2020, 01:59:22 PM
buddy that roulette wasn't lame, because i won

also yeah let me bring up that i have zero intention of doing hangman in this roulette, people barely ever solved hangman in my past roulettes anyways and i wanna keep this one fast-paced as i said before so there'd barely be time for it
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Post by: ariich on June 17, 2020, 02:00:57 PM
EDIT: Back in the quaint old days when an entire roulette only took 4 pages. :lol

Hey, my third roulette was only five pages long and that was only in 2016! That roulette was kinda lame though, to be honest. :lol
Hangmangs definitely make the threads... a bit longer.
Hangman, first impressions, comparisons, general banter, larger player rosters, more elaborate rules. There's just a lot more to discuss now. It's actually kind of amazing how much these games have developed over the past 10 years. 
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on June 17, 2020, 02:06:18 PM
buddy that roulette wasn't lame, because i won

:heart

Yeah I'm not calling it lame because the stuff I got in it wasn't good, I was just super busy at the time and had like no time or enthusiasm for it, so it was super basic.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: Elite on June 17, 2020, 03:51:48 PM
i think doing well in this roulette is an impossibility because it's entirely possible to send the best song of the round and still get eliminated but yeah fair  :P
True - is this the first actual roulette in a DTF roulette, or has anyone else done that before?



(Dr.) DTVT did something similar years (I mean years) ago.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: Train of Naught on June 17, 2020, 04:05:31 PM
I’m truly intrigued by the fact that you have post-metal in your “depends” category and sludge metal all the way in “very not”

What is it that you dislike SO much about sludge and what is it that you dislike less (or only dislike depending on X) about post-metal
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: Crow on June 17, 2020, 04:17:30 PM
when i think of sludge metal i think of neurosis, who suck, and bands playing that kind of metal
post-metal is a bit broader and can take elements from sludge metal but doesn't necessarily have to and is often better for not doing so
mostly i don't like downtuned guitars much anymore, tbh. all the worst metal genres revel in unnecessarily low tuning even though some of the best heavy music i've ever heard uses a full range of octaves
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Post by: ariich on June 17, 2020, 04:24:43 PM
In fairness, I also think of sludge metal as being that down-tuned droney kind of metal that I don't normally enjoy, but "atmospheric sludge metal" seems to be almost synonymous with post-metal, so basically genre descriptions are just confusing and inconsistent and therefore meaningless.
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Post by: Crow on June 17, 2020, 04:30:16 PM
atmospheric sludge metal is a name hipsters made up so they didn't have to say "post-metal" but there is at least some distinction between the two in my mind

namely that i like "post-metal" more than "atmospheric sludge metal" as a rule
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Post by: The Walrus on June 17, 2020, 04:32:37 PM
I'm sending post-sludge metal
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: Crow on June 17, 2020, 04:33:02 PM
Sewer Metal
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Post by: Sacul on June 17, 2020, 05:56:41 PM
walrus metal
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Post by: TAC on June 17, 2020, 06:08:47 PM
Loaded the chamber!
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Post by: Elite on June 18, 2020, 12:43:58 AM
Sewer Metal

:lol :lol

Phantom Metal
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Post by: Tomislav95 on June 18, 2020, 01:12:32 AM
Not sure I even have 1 artist you don't know but I'm in
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Post by: Nekov on June 18, 2020, 07:18:56 AM
Funny enough, I think I might actually have 5 metal songs to send. So what the hell, sign me in.
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Post by: Stadler on June 18, 2020, 08:28:53 AM
I’m truly intrigued by the fact that you have post-metal in your “depends” category and sludge metal all the way in “very not”

What is it that you dislike SO much about sludge and what is it that you dislike less (or only dislike depending on X) about post-metal

More importantly, WTF is "sludge metal" and "post-metal"?   I've heard of Metal Sludge and Post Malone, am I close?   
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: ariich on June 18, 2020, 11:10:40 AM
The big question for me I think is how much I can (and should) send that was introduced to me in my roulettes by my competitors in this one... :lol
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Post by: Nekov on June 18, 2020, 11:30:41 AM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/wi8Ez1mwRcKGI/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: Crow on June 18, 2020, 11:39:13 AM
The big question for me I think is how much I can (and should) send that was introduced to me in my roulettes by my competitors in this one... :lol
i mean half of them are too scared to even join this one, so
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Post by: Elite on June 18, 2020, 12:05:07 PM
Bunch of pussies :neverusethis:
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Post by: The Walrus on June 18, 2020, 12:06:53 PM
They are not fit to gallivant in walrus waters
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Post by: Stadler on June 18, 2020, 12:56:27 PM
When's the first submittal actually due?
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Post by: Crow on June 18, 2020, 01:06:24 PM
ideally i'd like to have them all by the time i close signups at the end of sunday but i'll probably give an extra 24-48 hours after that? i'unno. i have a 48 hour rule in my rules but i really don't want to have to enforce it  :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: Stadler on June 18, 2020, 02:20:57 PM
You'll have mine tomorrow, then, likely. 
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Post by: Elite on June 18, 2020, 03:29:27 PM
Okay, mine too then. 'Tomorrow' incidentally is in about 31 minutes, but I mean the 'twelve hours from now'-tomorrow.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: Crow on June 19, 2020, 10:15:29 AM
...anyone else, then? can go with 9 players but it's a very small number compared to other recent roulettes  :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: The Walrus on June 19, 2020, 10:17:37 AM
...anyone else, then? can go with 9 players but it's a very small number compared to other recent roulettes  :sadpanda:

You have made a name for yourself as incredibly picky and cynical towards music, caricature or otherwise, so I am not surprised  :lol
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Post by: Indiscipline on June 19, 2020, 10:18:02 AM
If distorted guitars are enough to constitute "lead", I may prance about
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Post by: ariich on June 19, 2020, 10:20:22 AM
If distorted guitars are enough to constitute "lead", I may prance about
If Stadler is willing to take part, I'm sure you can too!
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: Crow on June 19, 2020, 10:21:13 AM
if it's heavy enough i'll probably accept it, sure
i don't think distorted guitars alone would automatically qualify a song though
also i'm not cynical i don't know where people get that impression from, i friggin' love music  :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: The Walrus on June 19, 2020, 10:24:19 AM
if it's heavy enough i'll probably accept it, sure
i don't think distorted guitars alone would automatically qualify a song though
also i'm not cynical i don't know where people get that impression from, i friggin' love music  :lol

Really?! You just recently posted something to the effect of being bored or unimpressed with music, if I remember correctly  :lol
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Post by: ariich on June 19, 2020, 10:25:03 AM
In fairness Katt said "picky and cynical" and I think it's the former that gives the impression of the latter. :P
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Post by: Indiscipline on June 19, 2020, 10:29:02 AM
You're cyrical.

Ok, I'm in with the old schoolers.

(http://i.imgur.com/nWdF5Op.jpg) (https://imgur.com/nWdF5Op)

Stadler, yours truly, and The Artist Formerly Known as TAC.
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Post by: Evermind on June 19, 2020, 01:44:49 PM
You're cyrical.

Fock off my dude
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Post by: Crow on June 19, 2020, 01:46:24 PM
 :lol
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Post by: Indiscipline on June 19, 2020, 07:25:10 PM
 :lol :tup
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Post by: TAC on June 20, 2020, 07:40:48 PM
T
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Post by: Crow on June 20, 2020, 07:47:47 PM
is that a T for Thanks For Eliminating Me In Round 1?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: TAC on June 20, 2020, 08:09:15 PM
Well usually in during roulette rounds, there is usually some sort of hangman thingy whereby participants guess letters, revealed one by one, so that everyone may guess artists and songs sent.

I am simply first in line for choosing a letter. And I choose T.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: Crow on June 20, 2020, 08:32:31 PM
also yeah let me bring up that i have zero intention of doing hangman in this roulette, people barely ever solved hangman in my past roulettes anyways and i wanna keep this one fast-paced as i said before so there'd barely be time for it
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: TAC on June 20, 2020, 08:34:24 PM
Oh wow, so I'm both early AND late on that. :lol




So results?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups open! Enter at your own risk!)
Post by: Crow on June 20, 2020, 08:37:00 PM
signups aren't even closed yet
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Post by: Elite on June 21, 2020, 02:52:21 AM
I haven't sent yet.
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Post by: Crow on June 21, 2020, 03:38:32 AM
only 5 people have so far
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Post by: Indiscipline on June 21, 2020, 08:59:30 AM
only 5 people have so far

6
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Post by: ariich on June 21, 2020, 02:30:19 PM
only 5 people have so far

6
7, on the second attempt (I had misunderstood the ban rules as Cyril uses RYM differently to me :lol).
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups closed! Pending 3 submissions!)
Post by: Crow on June 22, 2020, 01:00:08 AM
Closing signups for now, still waiting on songs from 3 people. I'll PM them tomorrow night but if I don't get submissions by the end of Tuesday I'm prob just gonna remove players from the playerlist instead of assigning penalties 'cause, y'know, round 1
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Signups closed! Pending 3 submissions!)
Post by: Elite on June 22, 2020, 01:18:24 AM
Oh, I didn't realise it was due soon. You'll get mine today :tup

EDIT: Sent.
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Post by: Crow on June 22, 2020, 02:17:17 AM
9/10 are in, i want y'all to take a wild guess who the last person is

i haven't listened yet but i will tomorrow night & put up first impressions as well if i have everyone's songs by then
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Post by: ariich on June 22, 2020, 02:19:43 AM
The Holy Trinity are all playing, and Elite sent, which means it's one of the other two. :P
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Post by: Crow on June 22, 2020, 02:24:05 AM
I didn't even know it was trinity
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Post by: Elite on June 22, 2020, 02:47:06 AM
Who is the third? :lol


Is it Stadler, because he doesn't log on during the weekends? ???
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Post by: ariich on June 22, 2020, 02:49:26 AM
Yep. Staculite.
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Post by: Tomislav95 on June 22, 2020, 03:58:53 AM
I sent few hours ago so it should be 2 now (if I hit "send" lol)
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Post by: Elite on June 22, 2020, 04:06:15 AM
I sent few hours ago so it should be 2 now (if I hit "send" lol)
9/10 are in, i want y'all to take a wild guess who the last person is

Sacul.
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Post by: Indiscipline on June 22, 2020, 05:38:54 AM
I believe Sacul is living in the right timeline.

The rest of us is too early, stressed, and out of phase
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Post by: Stadler on June 22, 2020, 08:01:07 AM
I sent mine early (for me)!
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Post by: Crow on June 22, 2020, 10:42:00 PM
Rather than play hangman I'm just going to post the playlist of submissions with songs in alphabetical order and let y'all figure out who sent what. Impressions tomorrow since I'm still waiting on Dacul.

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/25Qf40us8wtsF0kWzmUruh
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Post by: Elite on June 22, 2020, 10:46:07 PM
Steve Vai - Stadler
Faith no More - Indiscipline
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Post by: Crow on June 23, 2020, 12:11:19 AM
both correct  :tup
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Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 23, 2020, 01:02:40 AM
Vola is Romdrums Forgot that Romdrums isn't in this roulette. Tomislav maybe?
Unreqvited is Kat
Darkaeon is TAC?

Surprised you haven't heard that Disillusion album
Also surprised someone sent Sikth and from their worst album
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Post by: ariich on June 23, 2020, 01:51:49 AM
Also surprised someone sent Sikth and from their worst best album
fixed :P

Shame that someone sent something from that older Disillusion album, I'd have thought Cyril would like their more recent one more. Ah well.
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Post by: Crow on June 23, 2020, 02:28:41 AM
Surprised you haven't heard that Disillusion album
I have, but don't own it/only heard it a few times

So far:
Steve Vai - Stadler
Faith no More - Indiscipline
Unreqvited - Kat
Darkaeon - TAC

Tomi did not send VOLA.
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Post by: Buddyhunter1 on June 23, 2020, 07:24:21 AM
Also surprised someone sent Sikth and from their worst best album
fixed :P

No, Puppies is right. :biggrin:
Their best album is their first one (it kinda goes to shit towards the very end but the first half is so strong that it's still their best overall)
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Post by: Tomislav95 on June 23, 2020, 09:42:31 AM

Tomi did not send VOLA.
I did not but not I have one band less available to send :angry: in hindsight, should've sent the DTF most popular band first
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Post by: ariich on June 23, 2020, 10:12:07 AM
Also surprised someone sent Sikth and from their worst best album
fixed :P

No, Puppies is right. :biggrin:
Their best album is their first one (it kinda goes to shit towards the very end but the first half is so strong that it's still their best overall)
It comes down quite heavily on stylistic preferences I think. I could never properly get into either of their first two albums, although I have come round on them a little now. But the new one is more melodic and had some new PTH-style influences that I find so much more enjoyable and engaging.
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Post by: Buddyhunter1 on June 23, 2020, 10:27:51 AM
I might be more forgiving of the new album if it didn’t have Century Of The Narcissist, Cracks Of Light or Ride The Illusion, those songs are all big clunkers imo and there’s not too many proper songs on that album so having three of those is kind of a problem
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Post by: ariich on June 23, 2020, 10:50:20 AM
I might be more forgiving of the new album if it didn’t have Century Of The Narcissist, Cracks Of Light or Ride The Illusion, those songs are all big clunkers imo and there’s not too many proper songs on that album so having three of those is kind of a problem
Cracks of Light is great, but then I like Periphery. :lol

Those other two are on the weaker end of the album, sure, but I don't find anything particularly wrong with them and I still prefer the general sound to most of what's on the first two albums.
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Post by: Buddyhunter1 on June 23, 2020, 10:58:03 AM
I also very much like Periphery :lol The choruses with Spencer aren't the problem, the verses are the parts that suck.
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Post by: Sacul on June 23, 2020, 11:55:19 AM
I believe Sacul is living in the right timeline.

The rest of us is too early, stressed, and out of phase
Finally someone that gets it :metal
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Post by: Crow on June 23, 2020, 12:13:17 PM
dacul's song is added to the playlist. will listen in a bit and put up first impressions & stuff i guess tonight
hopefully results will be no later than friday
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Post by: Crow on June 23, 2020, 12:14:04 PM
btw here's Comparisons

= Elite
= ariich
= Puppies_On_Acid
= Dacul
= Stadler
= Mr. Crabs
= Tomislav95
= Nekov
= Indiscipline
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Post by: Elite on June 23, 2020, 12:18:42 PM
btw here's Comparisons

Thank you.
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Post by: ariich on June 23, 2020, 12:25:20 PM
btw here's Comparisons

= Elite
= ariich
= The Walrus
= Puppies_On_Acid
= Dacul
= Stadler
= Mr. Crabs
= Tomislav95
= Nekov
= Indiscipline
Phew, at least I'm not getting worse!
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Post by: The Walrus on June 23, 2020, 12:25:49 PM
Compare them to my song, fellow fan of audio media
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Post by: Crow on June 23, 2020, 12:27:20 PM
Every song compared to Don, Aman by Slint

^ Elite
^ ariich
^ The Walrus
^ Puppies_On_Acid
^ Dacul
^ Stadler
^ Mr. Crabs
^ Tomislav95
^ Nekov
^ Indiscipline
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Post by: Elite on June 23, 2020, 12:57:10 PM
Whew
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Post by: Nekov on June 23, 2020, 01:23:42 PM
That's a good start. I'll take it
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Post by: Crow on June 23, 2020, 01:25:49 PM
First Impressions

1. Some really awful vocals on this one, but other than that it’s… solid? Surprisingly plain, more than anything.
ariich: SikTh - Golden Cufflinks

2. This is at least some degree of cheating, right? I found this pretty enjoyable and more diverse than expected, though I don’t know if it’ll be a favorite either.
Stadler: Steve Vai - Down Deep Into The Pain

3. I knew to expect the production issues on this one so I’m not surprised by them, but they do hurt what would otherwise be a pretty enjoyable sound.
Tomislav95: Disillusion - A Day By The Lake

4. This one’s all over the place. Strong instrumental chops, “interesting” production, okay songwriting, and some truly wretched vocals.
TAC: Darkaeon - Ark of the Universe, Pt. 1

5. Of all the songs in this round this is probably the most exciting sounding one to me. Reminds me a lot of a band I’ve been really into recently.
Dacul: Gospel - As Far as You Can Throw Me

6. My initial reaction was to go “I said no djent” but this actually has a good heavy tone and is very tasteful and balanced. I’d struggle to say it flows well or has strong melodic hooks though.
Nekov: Jakub Zytecki - Satya's Diary

7. Completely different from what I was expecting, but what I was expecting was way worse than what I got, so I’m not complaining.
Indiscipline: Faith No More - Woodpecker from Mars

8. This was the submission I was closest to banning and I don’t think anything about this song is going to change my mind about the artist in question.
Elite: VOLA - Stray The Skies

9. One of the better core sounds of the round, but like… structurally it’s an absolute mess, it feels like two or three different songs with zero transition between them.
Puppies_On_Acid: The Arusha Accord - The Dark Pane, Part 2

I did first impressions a bit different than usual this time to make things easier on myself and anyways I thought every song here was at least "decent"? I don't think we're seeing any 4 or 5 bullet scores this round at the very least. But probably no 0's either.
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Post by: The Walrus on June 23, 2020, 01:29:45 PM
9 hell yes

edit: misunderstood scoring system. am dumb
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on June 23, 2020, 01:32:57 PM
yep  :tup

reminder that low scores are better, and i'll be posting in order of lowest score (good) to highest score (bad) when i post results, 'cause that's the more exciting way to build suspense in an elimination roulette  :corn
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 - Dacul send plz)
Post by: Elite on June 23, 2020, 01:33:31 PM
1 is Disillusion
2 is Steve Vai
3 is Gospel
4 is Darkaeon
5 is Unreqvited
6 is Jakub Zytecki
7 is SikTh
8 is Faith no More
9 is VOLA
10 is The Arusha Accord
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: Elite on June 23, 2020, 01:35:21 PM
^OK at least two are wrong :lol
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Post by: The Walrus on June 23, 2020, 01:39:00 PM
9. Listening to this, I can definitely understand why you’d like it, and while I do enjoy it myself, it isn’t quite my preferred style either.

oh yeah I'm still screwed after this round tho
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Post by: Indiscipline on June 23, 2020, 01:41:03 PM
I am 8
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Post by: Crow on June 23, 2020, 01:42:47 PM
updated with all the ones Elite guessed that were right
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: Indiscipline on June 23, 2020, 01:48:24 PM
Wow

7?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on June 23, 2020, 01:53:06 PM
Please do not let Faith No More do better than my Unreqvited track, Cyril.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: Elite on June 23, 2020, 01:53:14 PM
Then 8 is VOLA and 1 is sikTh
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on June 23, 2020, 01:53:49 PM
yeah @ Indi! for the record the only faith no more i'm really familiar with is Epic (which I like) and uuhhh I was sent them once or twice in past roulettes I think but I don't really remember which songs (they were ok at best I guess) but this one didn't really sound like anything I've heard from them before (also it was instrumental, which I especially didn't expect)

Elite is also right, will update
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: Elite on June 23, 2020, 01:55:37 PM
Well then 3 is Disillusion and 5 is Gospel
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: ariich on June 23, 2020, 01:56:30 PM
1 is sikTh
Yeah, 1 is pretty much the default reaction to Sikth. :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on June 23, 2020, 01:57:37 PM
yup, now solve the who-sent-whats  :corn
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: Elite on June 23, 2020, 01:57:40 PM
1 is sikTh
Yeah, 1 is pretty much the default reaction to Sikth. :lol

Which you sent probably
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: ariich on June 23, 2020, 02:05:16 PM
The Arusha Accord sounds like Pupcore.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: Elite on June 23, 2020, 02:07:47 PM
yup, now solve the who-sent-whats  :corn

I did the impressions, somebody else do this
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: ariich on June 23, 2020, 03:37:29 PM
Alright, how about this for the remainder (having quickly googled the two I didn't already know and without doing any other research):

Elite: Disillusion - A Day By The Lake
Sacul: Gospel - As Far as You Can Throw Me
Tomi: Jakub Zytecki - Satya's Diary
Nekov: VOLA - Stray The Skies
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: Elite on June 23, 2020, 03:43:54 PM
Swap me and Nekov and I think you’re good
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on June 23, 2020, 03:45:55 PM
1 of 4 is right, actually.
Elite solved himself though.
You can process of eliminate the last two at that point so I'll just put them all up  :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: Elite on June 23, 2020, 03:50:49 PM
:lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: Sacul on June 23, 2020, 05:10:27 PM
Well hope that excitement translates in a decent score :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 23, 2020, 06:34:25 PM
All I can say is, my song is structurally brilliant....
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: Sacul on June 23, 2020, 07:42:14 PM
All I can say is, my song is structurally brilliant....
So was my toilet after I cleaned it up :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: Nekov on June 23, 2020, 08:48:51 PM
I don't know what djent is to be honest  :lol. I'm glad you're liking it
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on June 23, 2020, 08:51:04 PM
I don't know what djent is to be honest

I'm jealous
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: Sacul on June 23, 2020, 10:20:32 PM
I don't know what djent is to be honest

I'm jeal00us
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 - Dacul send plz)
Post by: Stadler on June 24, 2020, 08:43:49 AM
2. This is at least some degree of cheating, right? I found this pretty enjoyable and more diverse than expected, though I don’t know if it’ll be a favorite either.
Stadler: Steve Vai - Down Deep Into The Pain

Of course!  If you're not cheating, you're not trying!   Go Patriots!   

:) :) :)  :metal
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on June 25, 2020, 08:50:16 PM
just an update; results should be tomorrow

current breakdown:
1 song that's the obvious round highlight
1 song that i also liked on first listen and have continued to enjoy a lot
1 song that surprisingly grew on me
4 songs that sit in this amorphous blob of "yeah this is pretty cool but never fully comes together"
3 songs where i'm like "well this is fine but doesn't really stand out much to me"
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 25, 2020, 09:43:09 PM
Looks like I'm in the 4th category...  :metal
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: Nekov on June 26, 2020, 05:36:10 AM
Please let it be the grower
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on June 26, 2020, 12:42:09 PM
update: unreqvited have followed me on twitter somehow
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on June 26, 2020, 12:43:14 PM
update: unreqvited have followed me on twitter somehow

what :rollin
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on June 26, 2020, 12:44:47 PM
proof if you need it https://twitter.com/Panda_Tunes/followers
i'm not even tweeting about them so i have no clue how they found me
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on June 26, 2020, 01:00:36 PM
Amazing. First place confirmed I mean seriously I deserve nothing less
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: Nekov on June 26, 2020, 01:28:50 PM
Speaking of which, are we getting results any time soon?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on June 26, 2020, 01:31:00 PM
i haven't started writeups yet because it's work hours for me. it'll still be friday for 12 hours yet for me  :P
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: Sacul on June 26, 2020, 03:10:48 PM
Amazing. Second place confirmed I mean seriously I deserve nothing less
:metal
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: TAC on June 26, 2020, 04:23:34 PM
just an update; results should be tomorrow

current breakdown:
1 song that's the obvious round highlight 1 bullet
1 song that i also liked on first listen and have continued to enjoy a lot 2 bullets
1 song that surprisingly grew on me 3 bullets
4 songs that sit in this amorphous blob of "yeah this is pretty cool but never fully comes together" 4 bullets
3 songs where i'm like "well this is fine but doesn't really stand out much to me" 5 bullets
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on June 26, 2020, 04:51:25 PM
just an update; results should be tomorrow

current breakdown:
1 song that's the obvious round highlight 1 bullet
1 song that i also liked on first listen and have continued to enjoy a lot 1 bullets
1 song that surprisingly grew on me 2 bullets
4 songs that sit in this amorphous blob of "yeah this is pretty cool but never fully comes together" 2 bullets
3 songs where i'm like "well this is fine but doesn't really stand out much to me" 3 bullets
closer to this more likely though this isn't final of course
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on June 26, 2020, 08:10:08 PM
i'm most of the way through results now but i'm also planning to be really mean and not post eliminations until tomorrow morning (even if i record the video of them tonight)

so  :corn
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 26, 2020, 08:12:08 PM
i'm most of the way through results now but i'm also planning to be really mean and not post eliminations until tomorrow morning (even if i record the video of them tonight)

so  :corn
Happy days... :|
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: TAC on June 26, 2020, 08:21:35 PM
So your filming the deaths?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on June 26, 2020, 08:22:45 PM
yep - first ever recorded DTF roulette snuff film
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on June 26, 2020, 08:24:35 PM
Quote
CYRIL IS ALLOWED TO KILL PEOPLE
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: Indiscipline on June 26, 2020, 08:25:43 PM
Damn me and my focking big mouth  ;D
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on June 26, 2020, 08:30:53 PM
Quote
CYRIL IS ALLOWED TO KILL PEOPLE
:lol  :hat
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 26, 2020, 09:47:53 PM
just an update; results should be tomorrow

current breakdown:
1 song that's the obvious round highlight 1 bullet
1 song that i also liked on first listen and have continued to enjoy a lot 1 bullets
1 song that surprisingly grew on me 2 bullets
4 songs that sit in this amorphous blob of "yeah this is pretty cool but never fully comes together" 2 bullets
3 songs where i'm like "well this is fine but doesn't really stand out much to me" 3 bullets
closer to this more likely though this isn't final of course
So basically everyone could potentially get eliminated in the first round......this is the most metal roulette ever!  :metal
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on June 26, 2020, 10:56:21 PM
Round 1 Results
Round 1 Playlist (https://open.spotify.com/playlist/25Qf40us8wtsF0kWzmUruh)

Dacul: Gospel – As Far As You Can Throw Me

First Impression:
Of all the songs in this round this is probably the most exciting sounding one to me. Reminds me a lot of a band I’ve been really into recently.

Final Thoughts:
So like, Joliette were definitely big fans of these guys, right? Apparently a 2000’s post-hardcore band that put out exactly one album ever then vanished off the face of the earth and I’m upset because this is? So good? I was worried that maybe it wouldn’t work for me as much on relistens but if anything the gap between it and the next best song is even wider than at the start of the round now.

Like, this is aggressive, manic, jagged, dissonant, but also tempered enough with melodic hooks, a dynamic ebb and flow, some raw technical riffing and lead work, it’s just relaly varied for a sub-6 minute track and like, every single moment just… works? It has just enough of a melodic edge to be fairly accessible but there’s so many layers underneath that and so much to unpack that I definitely haven’t had the time to do so in just a few days of listening.

God, I really want to save the best scores for like, the absolute cream of the crop and I’m really borderline on whether or not this should go there because it is, if nothing else, lacking a bit of an emotional core to it (as do Joliette, so they’re also similar in that regard) that keeps it from really hitting home for me. Eeehh. But it also feels wrong to put this in the same tier as other songs in this round, so.

In the spirit of the roulette I left it to chance. (https://i.imgur.com/irC8hPu.png)

Score:
Click above to find out!



Stadler: Steve Vai – Down Deep Into The Pain

First Impression:
This is at least some degree of cheating, right? I found this pretty enjoyable and more diverse than expected, though I don’t know if it’ll be a favorite either.

Final Thoughts:
So yeah if you don’t already know this song and album features a young, pre-SYL, pre-solo career Devin Townsend and he’s. Well, basically the star of the show here, showing off his flexibility with both some really powerful belting as well as harsher vocals that slot in surprisingly well with the hard rock feel of this track.

The hard rock feel I kind of expected and y’know, in small doses like this it’s a sound I can appreciate. I expected less the really heavy and dissonant riff that shows up in the prechorus (that Devin of course plays off of well) or the twinkly synths, or especially the long breakdown that makes up the last few minutes of the song. It goes in some weird directions, man.

Vai’s lead work is also good of course, that solo is kind of wank, sure, but the way it flows into that heavy riff and back into the last chorus is excellent. This is one of those cases where I kind of doubt I’d actually be too into a full album of this, but like… this one song is really cool and really surprised me, it’s probably the best thing you’ve ever sent me in a roulette if I’m being honest?

Score:
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png)



Puppies_On_Acid: The Arusha Accord – The Dark Pane Pt. 2

First Impression:
One of the better core sounds of the round, but like… structurally it’s an absolute mess, it feels like two or three different songs with zero transition between them.

Final Thoughts:
Like, regardless of what you think, this song is pretty objectively a sequence of kind of unrelated segments loosely stitched together, there’s almost no denying that. The first half feels like one song, then there’s just this slow bit in the middle, before the track picks up a bit more tempo, has a bit of a pause, then most of the rest is a big anthemic finale. It is still very disjointed to my ears.

What rescues this song is that it’s one of the songs here that’s both very consistent and very diverse, and I guess its structural issues help contribute to the latter, sure, but like. There could easily be a version of this song that fixes the flow issues and still has all the cool riffs, leads, general instrumental synergy, and big climactic moments.

But no, yeah, I definitely would pick this one as my favorite out of the set of songs this round that were 7-8 minute prog metal tunes, probably just on style and general sound alone – there’s very much a lot to like here and I definitely want to check out these guys further just on the basis of this song – but god they need a songwriter to step in and fix some of the obvious issues here, regardless.

Score:
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png)



Tomislav95: Disillusion – A Day by the Lake

First Impression:
I knew to expect the production issues on this one so I’m not surprised by them, but they do hurt what would otherwise be a pretty enjoyable sound.

Final Thoughts:
The single-note lead thing they do for a large part of this song, I can’t help but wonder if that inspired Mithras to some extent, with the first track of On Strange Loops. This is probably the first song so far (from the bottom up) that I can point to a riff in a song and go “oh hell yeah, that’s a sweet riff”. The main riff here, specifically. The bass also plays the same riff during the verses which translates to a pretty cool groove.

The vocals here too, I don’t remember being particularly impressed by the vocals when I checked out these guys before (or on their most recent album either) but on this one they’re pretty convincing. A lot more dynamic and alive than your standard prog or melodeath vocalist tends to be, I feel like.

Overall I think this one is good, I enjoy it a lot. I don’t know if it’s perfect, of course – the production is a bit muddy during the louder moments, the ending feels reeeeally abrupt, like the song is missing its last leg, it’s a bit simple overall (basically grounded on two alternating musical ideas) but it’s still a good, fun metal tune all the same.

Score:
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png)



ariich: Sikth – Golden Cufflinks

First Impression:
Some really awful vocals on this one, but other than that it’s… solid? Surprisingly plain, more than anything.

Final Thoughts:
For the record, the Sikth song I was sent in the past was the cover of Tupelo, which I actually liked a lot. It’s hard to compare it to this one though. Revisiting it now I do think the worst vocals on that one are worse than the worst on this, but. It has its moments

And I mean I still think this one is pretty good. I think it takes its time to get there – the front half is mostly establishing the main motifs of the song, with the aforementioned awful vocals (that subsequently take a backseat in the latter half) and like, the main riffs are good and the hook is good.

And then the bridge and everything after is way better. There’s a nice build to the final chorus driven by some strong percussion and a more atmospheric vibe overall, and the last chorus does capitalize on that build well too. Again I don’t know if it’s anything… spectacular, but it does all come together well.

I dunno, I expected this to be one of the lower placements on first listen but it did grow on me a decent bit. Not enough to be one of my favorites this round, but enough so that I feel comfortable rating it higher than I originally expected to.

Score:
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png)



Nekov: Jakub Zyteky – Satya's Diary

First Impression:
My initial reaction was to go “I said no djent” but this actually has a good heavy tone and is very tasteful and balanced. I’d struggle to say it flows well or has strong melodic hooks though.

Final Thoughts:
Also yes I’m aware this is the guitarist of DisperE, which is why I was expecting djent, and thus got djent. And the DispersE album I have is… alright! Not super memorable! His guitar leads all have a bit of a standard “djazz” vibe to them that sounds pleasant but never really stands out to me, and that’s kind of the case here too? The heavy riffing I like more than I’d expect because that guitar tone is actually really good, though.

I do feel like this falls into the same trap as VOLA (and a lot of djent, really) in that there’s parts of this where it’s just riffing without any real groove to it – technical, to be sure, but you still need to be able to, y’know, write a song! I don’t find any of it unpleasant but it does kind of just meander on for a while.

I think what pushes this up a few spots though is the last few minutes, where the song just shifts gears to an atmospheric interlude followed by a really anthemic outro that’s actually pretty cool, as standard and kind of Townsend-y as it is. It’s not a song that overall really wows me or makes me want to check out this artist further but it has its moments and is still at least enjoyable front-to-back.

Score:
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png)



Mr Crabs: Darkaeon – Ark Of The Universe Pt. 1

First Impression:
This one’s all over the place. Strong instrumental chops, “interesting” production, okay songwriting, and some truly wretched vocals.

Final Thoughts:
The vocals I’m referring to are the harsh vocals, for the record, which genuinely are terrible. They should just. Not use them. The cleans are ehh. A bit generic. Low-range power metal-y kind of. Like 75% of this is instrumental anyways so who really cares. The instruments, then. Well the guitar and bass tone aren’t great, they sound really rough and really thin respectively, but there at least isn’t any clash between the sounds of the instruments here.

All of that really doesn’t matter because I think a lot of the lead guitar work here is pretty strong – a balance of hook-laden leads, some wank/shred that doesn’t ever feel too indulgent, and a more soulful solo in the middle. The riffing? Ehh. It’s fine. Hurt by the production. The songwriting? It’s another one bookended by straightforward riffy stuff with the proggier bits all in the middle. Doesn’t necessarily flow great but it doesn’t feel completely haphazard either.

I certainly think there’s a lot more to this one than the songs below it and I’m at least curious if nothing else but I also don’t feel like this is an especially strong example of prog metal either, just a solid one that could use some polish.

Score:
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png)



Elite: VOLA – Stray the Skies

First Impression:
This was the submission I was closest to banning and I don’t think anything about this song is going to change my mind about the artist in question.

Final Thoughts:
When I complain about modern prog metal & djent this band is one of the first bands I think of, really. I’ve tried listening to this album several times and I’ve never actually made it to the end – their second album I thought was a lot better, although in part because it was less metal.

As for this song itself… it’s fine. The verses are pretty much a waste of time, they’re djent riffing with zero groove and vocals you can hardly hear, but the chorus is pretty strong - good vocal hook, the synths add a nice melodic contrast to the roaring guitars, it all fits together well even if it’s basically just an alt-metal chorus. The bridge is okay too I guess.

I dunno, I don’t really dislike this in any way but there’s not much about it that’s actively appealing about it besides the chorus, which is the one thing that keeps it rated above the song below it, but thaaaat’s about it.

Score:
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png)



Indiscipline: Faith No More – Woodpeckers from Mars

First Impression:
Completely different from what I was expecting, but what I was expecting was way worse than what I got, so I’m not complaining.

Final Thoughts:
To be clear; I think if this had been a vocal track it probably would have scored lower, since I just flat do not like Mike Patton’s voice. He can occasionally twist it into something listenable but it’s a rare miracle when he does.

As far as this song goes it’s… well, it’s not bad, but the most I can really say about it is that it’s just kind of “generic”. There’s something like two riffs in the entire song – the fast one at the start and end, and the slow one in the middle. And there’s a violin in there that feels a bit out of focus/feels like it should be given more room in the mix, that provides basically the only element of melody in this.

I don’t find it unpleasant to listen to – maybe a bit boring, I guess – but I don’t find anything about it very memorable, either. It’s the weakest of the round not for really doing anything wrong but more for just not having anything notable about it either.

Score:
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png)



Eliminations coming tomorrow! Sleep well, everyone.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Results!)
Post by: Crow on June 26, 2020, 11:26:34 PM
I have now performed eliminations, working on editing the video.

The outcomes are... interesting, we'll say  :corn
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Results!)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 26, 2020, 11:46:12 PM
I have now performed eliminations, working on editing the video.

The outcomes are... interesting, we'll say  :corn
Dacul wins!
Congrats (D)Sacul!
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Results!)
Post by: Elite on June 27, 2020, 01:28:24 AM
VOLA
-> no groove. what?

Maybe I should have gone with a different song, but maybe this band just isn't for you. I think there's far worse prog metal out there (and I actually really like VOLA, so that's why I sent them). I hope the 50% chance to stay alive works in my favour so I can send you more shit you'll dislike :biggrin:
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Results!)
Post by: Crow on June 27, 2020, 01:29:20 AM
I mean what I said.
I feel like djent bands automatically assume that playing low-note chugs in some rhythmic pattern implies it will automatically have groove and with that song at least it definitely was not the case.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Results!)
Post by: Elite on June 27, 2020, 01:32:00 AM
I don't really think that simply because they play low note grooves they're automatically 'djent', because that term is more of a way to describe the guitar tone, which VOLA doesn't have (compare it to Periphery or Meshuggah for example). As far as groove goes, in my view VOLA have way more than your average death or black metal band, which doesn't groove at all.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Results!)
Post by: Crow on June 27, 2020, 01:40:05 AM
...VOLA are definitely djent but alright  :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Results!)
Post by: Nekov on June 27, 2020, 08:32:11 AM
Ok, good score. I'll take that. I'll be sending shortly.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Results!)
Post by: Elite on June 27, 2020, 08:49:12 AM
Not if you're eliminated
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Results!)
Post by: The Walrus on June 27, 2020, 09:10:33 AM
:(

I hope I eat a bullet 'cause if that got 3 Bullet Bills I can almost guarantee anything else I send is gonna get 4-5
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Results!)
Post by: Crow on June 27, 2020, 10:09:33 AM
Alright, the moment of truth:

https://youtu.be/5cTNNydg_ZU

 :corn

Anyone who survived has 48 hours from now to send for round 2!
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Eliminations!)
Post by: The Walrus on June 27, 2020, 10:11:35 AM
You sound exactly how you sound in my head.

EDIT: THE WALRUS LIVES

EDIT 2: omg  :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Eliminations!)
Post by: Crow on June 27, 2020, 10:14:22 AM
a friend once told me i have a red panda's voice
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Eliminations!)
Post by: The Walrus on June 27, 2020, 10:15:21 AM
Your voice must be like, two octaves above mine.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Eliminations!)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 27, 2020, 10:16:14 AM
First Absu and now this!?!?  :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Eliminations!)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on June 27, 2020, 10:16:57 AM
Wow Puppies, should have sent better music :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Eliminations!)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 27, 2020, 10:17:23 AM
Wow Puppies, should have sent better music :neverusethis:
:marriageanalogy:
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Eliminations!)
Post by: Evermind on June 27, 2020, 10:35:56 AM
First Absu and now this!?!?  :lol

:rollin

Here's what I rolled on a d6 btw (low numbers are bullets, high numbers are blanks)

Sacul: didn't roll as it's 0 apparently
Stads: 4 (survived)
Puppies: 6 (survived)
Tomi: 3 (survived)
Rich: 4 (survived)
Nekov: 5 (survived)
Tim: 6 (survived)
Katt: 3 (died)
Rich v2: 5 (survived)
Alex: 1 (died)
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Eliminations!)
Post by: Elite on June 27, 2020, 10:36:15 AM
That was surprisingly fun to watch :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Eliminations!)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 27, 2020, 10:42:42 AM
I already sent for round 2, so consider me back from the dead! Or maybe I am undead now... :corn
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Eliminations!)
Post by: Indiscipline on June 27, 2020, 11:02:29 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/iBRmJ2A.gif)
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Eliminations!)
Post by: Nekov on June 27, 2020, 12:03:09 PM
Oh wow, so there's a lot of luck involved in this one as well?  :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Eliminations!)
Post by: Sacul on June 27, 2020, 12:04:44 PM
Damn didn't expect to score so high and get saved from the bullets :lol

Yeah that whole album is pretty varied, some tracks a bit chaotic, others are almost post-rock, it's pretty cool :metal . I'm just surprised I hadn't already sent you that in a previous roulette, I've known that record for ages.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Eliminations!)
Post by: Elite on June 27, 2020, 12:59:00 PM
Oh wow, so there's a lot of luck involved in this one as well?  :lol

Someone didn't read the op!
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Eliminations!)
Post by: ariich on June 27, 2020, 01:20:22 PM
Damn Pup, that's unlucky.

Damn Stadler, that's lucky.

EDIT: Oh and yeah one of the Sikth vocalists has a really unique and weird style of singing, which is off-putting for a lot of people and was the case for me for quite a while. I've come to quite like the dark weirdness of it though, and since they got back together with a new second vocalist who is much stronger than the old guy, the melodic side is so much better these days and make the overall sound something I really enjoy.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Eliminations!)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on June 27, 2020, 02:12:14 PM
and since they got back together with a new second vocalist who is much stronger than the old guy

I honestly can't tell who's who, both with the new vocalist and with the old one. Probably because they all put on so many voices.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Eliminations!)
Post by: ariich on June 27, 2020, 02:18:58 PM
and since they got back together with a new second vocalist who is much stronger than the old guy

I honestly can't tell who's who, both with the new vocalist and with the old one. Probably because they all put on so many voices.
The guy who has been in the band all along is the one with the really weird, "dark theatrical" style who goes really high and low and does all sorts of crazy voices. He's the one who does that "When Will the Forest Speak?" spoken word track on The Trees are Dead... He did when it when I saw them live (and wasn't even really a fan then) and it was ridiculously impressive.

The other vocalist tends to do the more melodic stuff. The old guy didn't have a good singing voice, or have much character in either his clean or harsh vocals, so I know what you mean about not even knowing who was who. But the new guy is the one who can actually sing the clean sections properly. :lol

Aaaaaaaanyway, sent for round 2.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Eliminations!)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on June 27, 2020, 02:34:38 PM
Quote
The other vocalist tends to do the more melodic stuff. The old guy didn't have a good singing voice, or have much character in either his clean or harsh vocals

Did he do the entirety of Peep Show? The vocals there are great.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Eliminations!)
Post by: ariich on June 27, 2020, 02:56:04 PM
Ah I forgot all about that song, yeah that was him and he had some great moments on it. Just listening again and it's good, although he does also have his nasally stuff there as well. :lol But yeah I was probably being unfair in my recollection.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Results!)
Post by: TAC on June 27, 2020, 04:31:28 PM
Alright, the moment of truth:

https://youtu.be/dg1kYBJNMn8

 :corn

Anyone who survived has 48 hours from now to send for round 2!

 :lol :lol

Awesome. Pretty sure Puppies is the first person ever killed by a beach ball.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Eliminations!)
Post by: Indiscipline on June 27, 2020, 04:45:44 PM
Sent a full magazine of bullets.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Eliminations!)
Post by: Crow on June 29, 2020, 01:30:42 AM
just an update; i'm still waiting on stadler and dacul. i'll give 'em until after work tomorrow or something like that
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Eliminations!)
Post by: Elite on June 29, 2020, 01:39:21 AM
I mean, you said in the first few posts what the rules were going to be; send in time or get dropped :corn
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Eliminations!)
Post by: ariich on June 29, 2020, 01:41:17 AM
I mean, you said in the first few posts what the rules were going to be; send in time or get dropped :corn
While I agree in principle, I do think weekends are a special case for some people, and in my recent experience both Stadler and Sacul have been completely reliable at getting submissions to me on Monday if they didn't manage to do it over the weekend.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Eliminations!)
Post by: Elite on June 29, 2020, 01:44:04 AM
I know for certain Stadler doesn’t even check DTF on weekends, so yeah.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Eliminations!)
Post by: Crow on June 29, 2020, 02:08:00 AM
I mean, you said in the first few posts what the rules were going to be; send in time or get dropped :corn
nah that was for round 1 for round 2 onwards i'm adding an extra bullet per day late but also i don't actually care that much this is a very chill roulette that's not gonna last very long even at worst
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Eliminations!)
Post by: The Walrus on June 29, 2020, 06:39:23 AM
I mean, you said in the first few posts what the rules were going to be; send in time or get dropped :corn
nah that was for round 1 for round 2 onwards i'm adding an extra bullet per day late but also i don't actually care that much this is a very chill roulette that's not gonna last very long even at worst

Round 1 eliminations say otherwise  :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Eliminations!)
Post by: ariich on June 29, 2020, 06:40:39 AM
I mean, you said in the first few posts what the rules were going to be; send in time or get dropped :corn
nah that was for round 1 for round 2 onwards i'm adding an extra bullet per day late but also i don't actually care that much this is a very chill roulette that's not gonna last very long even at worst

Round 1 eliminations say otherwise  :lol
He's capped it at 6 rounds either way.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 1 Eliminations!)
Post by: The Walrus on June 29, 2020, 06:51:29 AM
I will never learn to re-read the rules and OP  :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (hi dacul plz send)
Post by: Crow on June 29, 2020, 11:12:33 AM
hey dacul you have ~7 hours to send before you start getting penalized
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (hi dacul plz send)
Post by: Stadler on June 29, 2020, 11:50:14 AM
Stadler, reporting for duty.  Submission, sent!

And by the way, I watched that video.  Then went out and bought a lottery ticket.  :) 
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (hi dacul plz send)
Post by: ariich on June 29, 2020, 12:34:44 PM
:lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (hi dacul plz send)
Post by: Nekov on June 29, 2020, 12:39:19 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (hi dacul plz send)
Post by: Sacul on June 29, 2020, 01:19:20 PM
Sent
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (hi dacul plz send)
Post by: Crow on June 29, 2020, 01:20:11 PM
cool i'll do first listens and impressions tonight probably
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Underway)
Post by: Crow on June 29, 2020, 07:59:51 PM
okay one of these is my fault but a banned artist was sent and i'm gonna at least ensure i stick to the ban rules otherwise people will yell at me
another song's just, straight up not metal by even the stretchiest stretch and i'd prefer a resend there  :lol
no penalties for either tbh because i actually don't care at all but i'd like for people to not take too terribly long either to resend
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Underway)
Post by: TAC on June 29, 2020, 08:02:20 PM
okay one of these is my fault but a banned artist was sent and i'm gonna at least ensure i stick to the ban rules otherwise people will yell at me
another song's just, straight up not metal by even the stretchiest stretch and i'd prefer a resend there  :lol
no penalties for either tbh because i actually don't care at all but i'd like for people to not take too terribly long either to resend

They must have confused the panda with the walrus.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Underway)
Post by: Crow on June 29, 2020, 08:03:32 PM
of the 7 songs i have definitively accepted that aren't banned i will say that this feels like a weaker round overall than round 1, but this doesn't surprise me as i expected most people to shoot their best shot first anyways
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Underway)
Post by: TAC on June 29, 2020, 08:05:48 PM
TAC ^
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Underway)
Post by: Crow on June 29, 2020, 08:06:29 PM
I decline to comment at this time.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Underway)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 29, 2020, 08:57:07 PM
of the 7 songs i have definitively accepted that aren't banned i will say that this feels like a weaker round overall than round 1, but this doesn't surprise me as i expected most people to shoot their best shot first anyways
Bring me back to life! :corn
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Underway)
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 30, 2020, 12:43:44 AM
Resent!
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Underway)
Post by: Elite on June 30, 2020, 01:19:04 AM
TAC ^

Who is TAC?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Underway)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 30, 2020, 01:41:32 AM
TAC ^

Who is TAC?
Who is Parama?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Underway)
Post by: Elite on June 30, 2020, 02:00:29 AM
TAC ^

Who is TAC?
Who is Parama?

Who is Scar?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Underway)
Post by: Crow on June 30, 2020, 02:40:17 AM
Who is going to save you from yourself?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Underway)
Post by: Elite on June 30, 2020, 03:19:49 AM
Consider this question. What are you willing to question?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Underway)
Post by: Indiscipline on June 30, 2020, 03:41:03 AM
Why Is Gamora?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Underway)
Post by: Sacul on June 30, 2020, 08:46:15 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/pjnaila.png)
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Underway)
Post by: Crow on June 30, 2020, 02:51:17 PM
First Impressions
Round 2 Playlist (https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0Mf6oiy12bbkpCgUbmR5dv)

1. The requisite “I could see this being solid but the production doesn’t work for me” song of the round.
Stadler: G/Z/R - Detective 27

2. Nothing about this is bad or unpleasant, but I spent the entire time waiting for them to find a good riff yet they never did.
Nekov: Leech - The Man With the Hammer

3. I get the intent of this submission and it’s, fine, but I sure hope this one is a grower because otherwise I’m going to get bored of it real quick.
Dacul: Deftones - Change (In the House of Flies)

4. Definitely unique and intriguing but I’m gonna have a really hard time getting into those vocals.
Indiscipline: Quintorigo - Bentivoglio Angelina

5. You’ll be pleased to know I don’t think this is djent. I comment on this only because I don’t have any other interesting thoughts on this at this time.
Elite: Anima Tempo - Confessions

6. This sounds exactly like [REDACTED], except with slightly weaker vocals. Which is to say, I dig it, though it’s a bit lacking in substance.
ariich: Mutoid Man - Bridgeburner

7. This, on the other hand, is definitely djent. It’s the kind of djent I can at least tolerate and occasionally enjoy though since there’s at least, grooves and hooks though.
Tomislav95: Kryn - Risset

8. It took me over half the song’s runtime to figure out what genre this was trying to be. It’s solid in a very non-descript, hard-to-say-anything-about kind of way.
Mr. Crabs: Blaze of Sorrow - Notturna
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Indiscipline on June 30, 2020, 02:54:09 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/qmM99Lu.jpg)
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on June 30, 2020, 02:55:52 PM
I really enjoy Deftones but I've never really understood the hype for Change tbh. It's not even the best song on White Pony
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on June 30, 2020, 02:56:36 PM
gimme 9
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: ariich on June 30, 2020, 02:57:33 PM
Hmmm... 3, 7 or 9?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Nekov on June 30, 2020, 03:02:30 PM
Those look awful. I kind of don't want to know  :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Elite on June 30, 2020, 03:10:44 PM
6 is mine then :lol


Deftones sent by Indiscipline
Mutoid Man sent by Train
G/Z/R by Stadler
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Indiscipline on June 30, 2020, 03:12:44 PM
Deftones sent by Indiscipline

Me and you on the knoll behind the monastery, at dawn. Rapiers.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Elite on June 30, 2020, 03:13:28 PM
Oh
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on June 30, 2020, 03:13:38 PM
Hmmm... 3, 7 or 9?
It's one of these!

#6 is indeed Elite.
Train is not in this roulette.
G/Z/R was sent by Stads.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Elite on June 30, 2020, 03:14:35 PM
Train is not in this roulette

:lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Indiscipline on June 30, 2020, 03:15:14 PM
Oh

;D
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Elite on June 30, 2020, 03:15:33 PM
Deftones sent by Indiscipline

Me and you on the knoll behind the monastery, at dawn. Rapiers.

Quintorigo then probably :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: ariich on June 30, 2020, 03:18:36 PM
Hmmm... 3, 7 or 9?
It's one of these!
Ok, let's start on the slightly more positive end and go with 7.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on June 30, 2020, 03:19:04 PM
Yup!
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on June 30, 2020, 03:20:35 PM
I guess 9 isn't me :getoffmylawn:
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: ariich on June 30, 2020, 03:23:56 PM
Yup!
Ok cool. Now I want to know which other band you're referring to. :lol But I guess you'll need to at least wait until people have guessed which artist I sent.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on June 30, 2020, 03:24:52 PM
I guess 9 isn't me :getoffmylawn:
Nope!

And yeah I'll wait until your song is actually guessed ariich :P
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on June 30, 2020, 03:25:09 PM
3. I get the intent of this submission and it’s, fine, but I sure hope this one is a grower because otherwise I’m going to get bored of it real quick.

that must be me then LMAO rip w-lox
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on June 30, 2020, 03:25:39 PM
Also nope!
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on June 30, 2020, 03:27:40 PM
Oh well then it's definitely gotta be 5 lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 30, 2020, 03:41:30 PM
8?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on June 30, 2020, 03:45:39 PM
both correct!

haha, 5/8. nuggets
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on June 30, 2020, 04:02:02 PM
I must know what this inherent bias is 'cause I have never heard anything quite like what I sent
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on June 30, 2020, 04:21:50 PM
there's something... soulless (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFoLHtZ3YuQ) about it :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 30, 2020, 05:07:35 PM
Mine is......not there. :(
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on June 30, 2020, 05:12:00 PM
oh, Master Boot Record is 100% Katt

Unlike ExileLord this song at least sounds good. :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on June 30, 2020, 05:12:52 PM
i'll probably listen to it later puppies but not on roulette time! and not in the roulette playlist since i usually listen on shuffle  :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on June 30, 2020, 05:15:01 PM
oh, Master Boot Record is 100% Katt

Unlike ExileLord this song at least sounds good. :lol

Who's Katt?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on June 30, 2020, 05:15:38 PM
I'm not here to solve your existential problems.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on June 30, 2020, 05:16:01 PM
This Katt... it's NOT GOOD
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 30, 2020, 05:32:07 PM
i'll probably listen to it later puppies but not on roulette time! and not in the roulette playlist since i usually listen on shuffle  :lol
Nah, it's cool. That album will be featured in my Black Metal Album of the Week thread later on, so.... :tup
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: TAC on June 30, 2020, 05:50:26 PM
Wow, the leftover impressions blow, and apparently one is mine.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Sacul on June 30, 2020, 08:04:26 PM
3? I'm fucked :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: TAC on June 30, 2020, 08:10:11 PM
3 bullets
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Nekov on July 01, 2020, 05:20:38 AM
Can I take 9?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Stadler on July 01, 2020, 06:54:51 AM
Mine's No. 2. 
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 01, 2020, 10:24:50 AM
Both wrong  :P
I'm glad the impressions aren't being solved quite as easily this time lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Nekov on July 02, 2020, 04:34:02 AM
Oh, 1 then?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Stadler on July 02, 2020, 09:30:24 AM
Both wrong  :P
I'm glad the impressions aren't being solved quite as easily this time lol

WOW.  I suck at impressions usually, but I was pretty darn certain that no. 2 was the right one.  i didn't even consider other options!
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 02, 2020, 10:18:32 AM
I tripped and accidentally solved impressions since nobody is guessing now
comparisons probably tonight?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: ariich on July 02, 2020, 10:20:57 AM
:lol Sorry man, it's partly because I was focused on finishing my roulette and also because I've never even heard of almost every artist, so couldn't even guess who sent what.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Nekov on July 02, 2020, 11:57:30 AM
I tripped and accidentally solved impressions since nobody is guessing now
comparisons probably tonight?

Hey, I did guess, only that I was wrong every time  :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 02, 2020, 12:46:33 PM
I tripped and accidentally solved impressions since nobody is guessing now
comparisons probably tonight?

I just, like, want my results, maaaan
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 02, 2020, 12:51:31 PM
tomorrow my dudette
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 02, 2020, 01:00:45 PM
tomorrow my dudette

Did you just assume my gender
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 02, 2020, 01:02:03 PM
those jokes were never funny and i will seriously dock you points (or, well, add an extra bullet) if you make them again  :corn
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 02, 2020, 01:02:41 PM
those jokes were never funny and i will seriously dock you points (or, well, add an extra bullet) if you make them again  :corn

Why not both? I triple dog dare you  :hat
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 02, 2020, 01:13:21 PM
I'm not really sure what you're trying to accomplish
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 02, 2020, 01:17:33 PM
Your first mistake is assuming I'm trying to accomplish anything  :corn
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 02, 2020, 01:18:30 PM
okay but for serious transphobic jokes aren't cool okay?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 02, 2020, 01:20:17 PM
I agree but don't see how that is transphobic whatsoever. Phobic implies some kind of fear or trepidation and there's certainly nothing implying any form of bigotry there. It's just a longstanding Internet meme joke my guy

Yo just put 5 bullets in the chamber lmao
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on July 02, 2020, 01:21:13 PM
"did you just assume my gender" is the go-to sentence to make fun of transgender people so using it reflects poorly on you even if you're not being serious.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 02, 2020, 01:21:57 PM
"did you just assume my gender" is the go-to sentence to make fun of transgender people so using it reflects poorly on you even if you're not being serious.

Seriously? I think it's obvious given the context there was no mockery of trans people there. Yet nobody's upset Cyril implied I'm a female despite being 100% male. Which was the entire point of my comment. Omfg people.  :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 02, 2020, 01:25:42 PM
yeah but you can still not use it! it costs you absolutely nothing!  :tup
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 02, 2020, 01:27:36 PM
I used that in a completely innocuous context and refuse to feel bad about it 'cause people make the choice to get upset by a dumb joke that has zero malicious intent or content. Dock those points I guess :P
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on July 02, 2020, 01:31:28 PM
No need to be so defensive, man. We're not coming at your throat for using it, we're just letting you know it's pretty much never a good thing to say in that context because of the connotations associated with it. Same thing as using "gay" as a substitute for "stupid" or "lame", like yeah, we know that's what you meant, but it still perpetuates the usage of that word in a derogatory manner and you should be able to see how that can be harmful even if you didn't mean any harm by it.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: ariich on July 02, 2020, 01:32:15 PM
I'm not going to choose sides and I agree that the intent was clearly innocuous, but the joke does come with trans-phobic connotations because of how it has been used. So assuming you didn't know that then I don't think you have anything to feel bad about, but it is genuinely worth being aware of those connotations and the fact that it could unintentionally cause offence. 
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: ariich on July 02, 2020, 01:32:45 PM
No need to be so defensive, man. We're not coming at your throat for using it, we're just letting you know it's pretty much never a good thing to say in that context because of the connotations associated with it. Same thing as using "gay" as a substitute for "stupid" or "lame", like yeah, we know that's what you meant, but it still perpetuates the usage of that word in a derogatory manner and you should be able to see how that can be harmful even if you didn't mean any harm by it.

Yeah, this too.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on July 02, 2020, 01:34:37 PM
Last thing I'll say here is making you "feel bad about it" isn't the point. You don't need to feel bad about it - if you make a mistake in the past you can make the choice to move on from it and not repeat it going forward. Beating yourself up for it accomplishes nothing and that's not what we're trying to get you to do.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 02, 2020, 01:37:40 PM
Man, I would think people would have understood the context of a joke given that Cyril himself called me a female in the first place. I think context is absolutely critical. I still see nothing wrong with the way I used that. It's not like we were having a discussion on trans issues and then I jumped in like the Kool-Aid Man to joke about marginalized people  :lol I have a lot of strong feelings on this but there's a reason I don't post in P/R anymore. Just gonna leave it there. I'm quite liberal, believe it or not, but I don't enjoy or approve of policing comedy at all, so I'll leave it at that

EDIT: For the record I'm fully aware of these issues. I'll apologize to anyone who got offended, but I won't apologize for making the joke
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 02, 2020, 01:52:07 PM
there is no context in which it's okay to use, is the point, given the history of its usage
same with the attack helicopter joke
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 02, 2020, 01:53:00 PM
there is no context in which it's okay to use, is the point, given the history of its usage
same with the attack helicopter joke

I disagree. The context in which I used it was perfectly acceptable given the setup. This is a philosophy on comedy/humor I have that you aren't going to change, my man. So, sorry you got offended by it, brudda. I will refuse from making Those Jokes again in this thread.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Evermind on July 02, 2020, 02:11:02 PM
What's that with the attack helicopter joke?

1) I've never heard this joke
2) I design helicopters

I'm therefore interested, you can PM me if you don't want to go about it in the thread.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 02, 2020, 02:15:41 PM
you seem to be missing the point and i am actually not going to drop it
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Evermind on July 02, 2020, 02:17:02 PM
you seem to be missing the point and i am actually not going to drop it

Absolutely, I don't see how this joke works at all, which is why I'm curious what's that got to do with helicopters, but whatever

I'm not a native English speaker in case you somehow forgot

edit: if you weren't referring to me, then I'm still curious. I don't want to accidentally say something stupid/offensive whenever I'm on a business trip or interacting with my foreign friends online
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 02, 2020, 02:17:38 PM
you seem to be missing the point and i am actually not going to drop it

I get the point. I disagree with it, if that wasn't clear. We have fundamentally different views on this and that's okay. Neither of us is better than the other.

EDIT: Your point was that it's "never" okay to make that joke. I fundamentally disagree with that because of my views on comedy and humor and comedy is certainly not a black and white issue therefore the idea that it's "never" acceptable, ever, does not sit well with me. But I compromised and apologized and said I wouldn't make those jokes again in this thread. Not sure what you want from me short of ideological acquiescence.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 02, 2020, 02:22:10 PM
edit: if you weren't referring to me, then I'm still curious. I don't want to accidentally say something stupid/offensive whenever I'm on a business trip or interacting with my foreign friends online
i'm not referring to you here but the joke is people saying stupid stuff like "i identify as an attack helicopter" to mock trans folx

@walrus comedy that punches down at marginalized groups is bad 100% of the time and there is no counter-argument to be made here. i don't even care if you "disagree" because you're still saying you will continue to make jokes that are inherently bad
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 02, 2020, 02:22:45 PM
edit: if you weren't referring to me, then I'm still curious. I don't want to accidentally say something stupid/offensive whenever I'm on a business trip or interacting with my foreign friends online
i'm not referring to you here but the joke is people saying stupid stuff like "i identify as an attack helicopter" to mock trans folx

Except nobody said something "to mock trans folx". That implies there is intent. There was no intent in what I said and I explained why I said it.

comedy that punches down at marginalized groups is bad 100% of the time and there is no counter-argument to be made here. i don't even care if you "disagree" because you're still saying you will continue to make jokes that are inherently bad

Yeah, again, the joke had zero implications towards trans people and wasn't punching down at anyone. Ease up. You're so comfortable saying something is "never" acceptable and "there is no counter-argument to be made" and yet here I am giving it to you because that's what I feel. Lighten up, or be more tolerant of different opinions.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 02, 2020, 02:23:32 PM
again; there is no way to make that joke without it being inherently transphobic
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 02, 2020, 02:25:11 PM
again; there is no way to make that joke without it being inherently transphobic

Something being phobic implies a level of intolerance or negative emotions with them. Nothing I said implies I have anything against trans people at all. It was not a transphobic joke.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 02, 2020, 02:26:07 PM
i don't care about your intent. the joke itself is transphobic. your intent doesn't matter here.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 02, 2020, 02:26:49 PM
i don't care about your intent. the joke itself is transphobic. your intent doesn't matter here.

What world do you live in where intent doesn't matter? Just because you said it doesn't? What I intended to communicate doesn't matter? If that doesn't matter, why should your feelings matter to me?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 02, 2020, 02:27:31 PM
alright

The Walrus is eliminated because I'm not tolerant of transphobia. bye lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 02, 2020, 02:28:13 PM
alright

The Walrus is eliminated because I'm not tolerant of transphobia. bye lol

Oh, you are acting like a child. I am not transphobic and refuse to be called that. Very little offends me - that actually does offend me.

Fine, bye.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 02, 2020, 02:30:27 PM
removing the "grow up" from your post doesn't mean the ad hominem didn't happen but w/e seeya  :tup
kick me out of your roulette while you're at it, i don't even care anymore
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 02, 2020, 02:31:02 PM
removing the "grow up" from your post doesn't mean the ad hominem didn't happen but w/e seeya  :tup
kick me out of your roulette while you're at it, i don't even care anymore

You can't even talk about this like a mature adult. You just called me transphobic, refused to hear a different opinion, and then booted me from the game. I'll say it again: grow up.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Evermind on July 02, 2020, 02:31:47 PM
i'm not referring to you here but the joke is people saying stupid stuff like "i identify as an attack helicopter" to mock trans folx

That kinda stretches the definition of a joke in my opinion

I also think you both could like do a reasonable and interesting discussion because I think you both have valid points but as I'm not even in this roulette, I honestly don't care to engage into that, but I can do a fun fact for you guys

Fun fact related to helicopters: an attack helicopter (or as a proper term in Russia would be, a military helicopter) is actually way, way less safe than a civil one, especially in case of emergency overload, because the standards for designing and construction and testing are way stricter for the civil helicopters than the military ones here.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 02, 2020, 02:32:50 PM
Well, he doesn't want to hear my points, 'cause he just blocked off any possibility for a discussion and then kicked me out of his game.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Evermind on July 02, 2020, 02:33:49 PM
Given how much has happened and how this discussion has heated up while I was typing my post, I expected two servings of "fuck off Evermind" right after I posted.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Indiscipline on July 02, 2020, 02:35:00 PM
As a professional comedian, I am offended by the elicopter joke.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 02, 2020, 02:35:45 PM
I am not making an argument. I am stating an objective fact. The joke, by its very nature and intent, is transphobic.

This is a badly-written article (https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/did-you-just-assume-my-gender) but even it acknowledges that the root of the joke itself is transphobia. I'm not having a "debate" with you, I am just stating a fact and you are denying that fact. If you want to go live in your fantasy dragon world feel free to do so. Calling me a child because you don't like facts is pretty irrational of you. Facts don't care about your feelings. Insert other stupid right-wing joke often used to mock supposedly "childish" leftists etc.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 02, 2020, 02:37:03 PM
I am not making an argument. I am stating an objective fact. The joke, by its very nature and intent, is transphobic.

This is a badly-written article (https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/did-you-just-assume-my-gender) but even it acknowledges that the root of the joke itself is transphobia. I'm not having a "debate" with you, I am just stating a fact and you are denying that fact. If you want to go live in your fantasy dragon world feel free to do so.

Like you and your fantasy world where civil debate isn't a thing, and you just lash out at people you disagree with, call them names (terminology like 'transphobic' can really fuck with someone's reputation, dude), and kick them out of trivial games because of the disagreement? Jesus Christ.

Transphobia is defined as: "Transphobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes, feelings or actions toward transgender people or transness in general. Transphobia can include fear, aversion, hatred, violence, anger, or discomfort felt or expressed towards people who do not conform to social gender expectations. "

What I said was, "Are you assuming my gender?" after you called me "dudette." A harmless meme that everybody recognizes as a joke therefore I had hoped people would see the nature of my reply. YOU KNOW I wasn't trying to insult or harm anybody, but you told me "intent doesn't matter." And now you call ME irrational.

Now here we are.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 02, 2020, 02:39:39 PM
"did you just assume my gender" is the go-to sentence to make fun of transgender people so using it reflects poorly on you even if you're not being serious.
I'm not going to choose sides and I agree that the intent was clearly innocuous, but the joke does come with trans-phobic connotations because of how it has been used. So assuming you didn't know that then I don't think you have anything to feel bad about, but it is genuinely worth being aware of those connotations and the fact that it could unintentionally cause offence.
I guess Buddy and ariich are childish too then. These are literally the same exact thing I've been posting. If you're attacking me you're also attacking them.

That you feel the need to defend yourself this badly instead of just apologizing and acknowledging that you didn't know the joke was inherently transphobic (which is fine! we grow from our experiences and I am not upset at you for not knowing to begin with!) is the problem here, by the way.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 02, 2020, 02:41:59 PM
I am genuinely upset that years of fun conversation and exchanging music with you has resulted in nothing more than you thinking I'm a transphobic piece of shit because we have a mild disagreement on something controversial. Yeah we're just "people on the internet" but you're one of the people I really have enjoyed interacting with over these years and you've shown me loads of awesome music.

So, sorry, I guess, for being such a shitty person. Enjoy your roulette.

By the way, I did apologize for offending you already. But you probably couldn't see that past your emotions. I DISAGREE that the joke is "inherently transphobic" and THAT'S FINE. I have nothing against trans people. I'm not sure why you allow such a lukewarm meme to personally offend you so deeply that we're at this point. Again, enjoy your roulette, but it genuinely bothers me - quite deeply - that you think I am transphobic. I literally go out of my way to defend my trans friends, but you wouldn't know that because you have firmly decided I am a garbage person.

And you know what? If defending oneself instead of kowtowing to the specific ideological line YOU have deemed acceptable and worthy of respect makes me bad, then I must be pretty evil. My intent and my feelings and my rationale don't matter, but yours do? GTFO.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 02, 2020, 02:43:13 PM
By the way, I did apologize for offending you already.
Not what I'm asking you to apologize for!
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: ariich on July 02, 2020, 02:57:43 PM
Cyril, Katt, you're both doing a pretty bad job of paying attention to what the other is saying, and it's causing both of you to become increasing entrenched in your argument, when the root of the argument is one very specific point.

Katt, the fact that the disagreement is on one specific point does not mean it's not an important point. If you jokingly referred to a black person using the N word on a public forum, regardless of the intent it would be offensive. It's the same with this, because of the history of how the meme has been used and the connotations it comes with. You seemingly not accepting this premise gives the impression that you don't much care whether you cause offence. I don't believe that's the case at all, but it's how it comes across.

Cyril, you're right that the meme is offensive regardless of the intent due its previous use, but someone not realising or appreciating that doesn't make them a bigot, which you implied even if that's not what you meant. Most people are on a journey with stuff like this, and maybe 5 years ago my attitude was very similar to Katt's. Taking a completely purist argument right from the off is rarely conducive to discussion and doesn't help people understand your point.

Seriously guys, you need to chill and cool off.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 02, 2020, 02:59:29 PM
That you feel the need to defend yourself this badly instead of just apologizing and acknowledging that you didn't know the joke was inherently transphobic (which is fine! we grow from our experiences and I am not upset at you for not knowing to begin with!) is the problem here, by the way.

Cyril, you're right that the meme is offensive regardless of the intent due its previous use, but someone not realising or appreciating that doesn't make them a bigot. Most people are on a journey with stuff like this, and maybe 5 years ago my attitude was very similar to Katt's. Taking a completely purist argument right from the off is rarely conducive to discussion and doesn't help people understand your point.

Hey, I agreed with you on this :lol

To clarify, since there seems to be some misunderstanding; I have not at any point called Katt transphobic. I am only calling that joke itself transphobic. That is the only point I'm trying to make here. Continuing to argue against the fact that joke is transphobic (which is a very well-documented fact!) is what I'm upset about.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: ariich on July 02, 2020, 03:04:21 PM
Yeah sorry I didn't mean to imply that you hadn't recognised that point in general. :lol But more specifically I mean the recognition that a phrase or joke or meme can he inherently offensive because of the connotations associated with it, regardless of intent. If Katt doesn't agree with that point then he's hradly going to acknowledge and apologise for it immediately.

EDIT and re your last paragraph, yes I realised that and had edited my previous post to recognise that you weren't meaning that Katt was a bigot, but that was an implication that came across from the way you were arguing the point.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 02, 2020, 03:04:52 PM
Katt, the fact that the disagreement is on one specific point does not mean it's not an important point. If you joking referred to a black person using the N word on a public forum, regardless of the intent it would be offensive. It's the same with this, because of the history of how the meme has been used and the connotations it comes with. You seemingly not accepting this premise gives the impression that you don't much care whether you cause offence. I don't believe that's the case at all, but it's how it comes across.

Comparing what I wrote to casually dropping the n-bomb is such a bad comparison that I am honestly having a hard time reading beyond that sentence. No disrespect intended, of course... like, there are numerous reasons why this is a terrible analogy

Cyril kicked me out of his roulette because he "does not tolerate transphobia" so apparently I am irredeemable and unworthy of playing in his game over one comment. If he doesn't think I'm transphobic, these optics sure don't help.

It's also bullshit that MY intent doesn't matter, the context of the meme doesn't matter, my rationale for saying what I said doesn't matter, but Cyril gets to make the rules and tell me that HIS feelings matter? Why doesn't this matter to anyone else? Why am I being punished, when he is showing the exact same disregard for my feelings that I (apparently) am to him?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 02, 2020, 03:08:13 PM
Katt, the fact that the disagreement is on one specific point does not mean it's not an important point. If you joking referred to a black person using the N word on a public forum, regardless of the intent it would be offensive. It's the same with this, because of the history of how the meme has been used and the connotations it comes with. You seemingly not accepting this premise gives the impression that you don't much care whether you cause offence. I don't believe that's the case at all, but it's how it comes across.

Comparing what I wrote to casually dropping the n-bomb is such a bad comparison that I am honestly having a hard time reading beyond that sentence. No disrespect intended, of course...
I'm actually going to agree with this point, fwiw. It's more akin to like, casually racist jokes rather than outright slurs lol

Cyril kicked me out of his roulette because he "does not tolerate transphobia" so apparently I am irredeemable and unworthy of playing in his game over one comment. If he doesn't think I'm transphobic, these optics sure don't help.
this was maybe a heated comment from me but i still stand firm in that the joke is inherently transphobic and all i really am asking is for you to acknowledge that. i don't really know about your personal life but if the hill you want to die on is a transphobic joke it's hard to not assume things!

this is also not about my feelings. it is about literally a fact. i am just the messenger. but if it *is* about my feelings then it's also about the feelings of the millions of trans people in the world so
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: ariich on July 02, 2020, 03:12:36 PM
Katt, the fact that the disagreement is on one specific point does not mean it's not an important point. If you joking referred to a black person using the N word on a public forum, regardless of the intent it would be offensive. It's the same with this, because of the history of how the meme has been used and the connotations it comes with. You seemingly not accepting this premise gives the impression that you don't much care whether you cause offence. I don't believe that's the case at all, but it's how it comes across.

Comparing what I wrote to casually dropping the n-bomb is such a bad comparison that I am honestly having a hard time reading beyond that sentence. No disrespect intended, of course...
None taken, this is an important point and I understand it's an emotive topic. But fundamentally the two situations are comparable. A word/meme that can be used without ill intent but which is offensive regardless of that due to its history.

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Cyril kicked me out of his roulette because he "does not tolerate transphobia" so apparently I am irredeemable and unworthy of playing in his game over one comment. If he doesn't think I'm transphobic, these optics sure don't help.
I agree and made a similar point.

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It's also bullshit that MY intent doesn't matter, the context of the meme doesn't matter, my rationale for saying what I said doesn't matter, but Cyril gets to make the rules and tell me that HIS feelings matter? Why doesn't this matter to anyone else? Why am I being punished, when he is showing the exact same disregard for my feelings that I (apparently) am to him?
This is untrue, I have also been critical of the impression that Cyril has given regardless of his intent. Both your feelings matter and to be honest neither of you is doing a great job of communicating. But that's what happens in heated, emotive discussions. As I said, best you both cool off.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 02, 2020, 03:16:40 PM
But I don't think that's fair, respectfully. I apologized, I said I wouldn't make those jokes again, and Cyril still booted me out and told me my intentions don't matter while demanding I respect his beliefs, which I had already said I would by not cracking those kinds of jokes in this thread. Earlier he said he wouldn't drop it, I assume until I agree with his ideology, AND I DON'T! And I respectfully articulated that earlier, and I said it was okay that we disagree. So one of us *is* trying to be respectful, but still ended up being punished. Which is fine, whatever, it's a roulette, it's just a game, but that matters if we're talking about fair behavior.

I would love to drop this entirely as long as we can agree that I'm not a fucking transphobe. Okay? I get that Cyril apparently doesn't think I actually am one, which is great. But can we clear the air? This is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Indiscipline on July 02, 2020, 03:37:04 PM
Guys, make a fool happy and try this:


"charged meme"

"That is transphobic, not cool"

"Oh, I didn't know, how is it?"

"It's been repeatedly used to put down trans people. It's like the white hood, inherently innocent, but it's been poisoned forever by KKK usage"

"Didn't know that, sorry. I hope you appreciate both the context and my intent were miles away from derogatory"

"Sure, you didn't know. Now you do"

"No prob. I am a funny guy, I can find non-charged material to bust your balls in no time."

"Cool. Comparisons tomorrow"


Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Stadler on July 02, 2020, 03:38:26 PM
It's not my argument, but I think the assumption that this is "inherently" transphobic is a little bit of a stretch.  Personally, I've never heard the phrase before (nor "attack helicopter"; WTF, my stepson's career is SERVICING real life attack helicopters, and I've never heard that), but I'm not a staunch on-line presence, so there's that.  I think to compare a four-year-old (at best) online expression to a 325-year-old word about which actual wars have been fought (figuratively) over it's meaning and intent is a little much.

And even if it is "inherently transphobic", intent and context cannot be ignored.   Even the N-word isn't "inherent"; see every Tarantino movie.   Granted the contexts are VERY limited, but there IS context for those that care about such things.   

And even if it's "inherently transphobic", AND we're going to completely ignore "intent" and "context", bullying and excluding isn't the answer.   Teach, and include.   I love this quote, from a trans man on Quora: "We've got to do better at building alliances across differences and not making assumptions. Sometimes we have to go first." (https://www.quora.com/Does-the-person-in-the-did-you-just-assume-my-gender-meme-actually-identify-as-nonbinary). I know I learned something here, and we have to allow for that.

I don't know what the status of Walrus is or not - in or out - but on principle, if he's out, I'm out, because this to me seems like a lot of overkill and judgement at worst, and an unmeetable standard at best.  Teach him what you want to teach him (he can take or leave the message) but in all fairness to him, don't say "intent doesn't matter" then assume his intent nonetheless. 

EDIT: Ninja'd (sort of) by Indi. 
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 02, 2020, 03:44:02 PM
Thank you, Stadler.

For the record I've been aware of the phrase for years. I've been aware some people don't like it. I was NOT aware that suddenly any usage of it can now be labeled as transphobic, and it greatly disturbs me that my intent is of no importance to the matter. The context in which I used it had absolutely nothing to do with trans people and doesn't even contain any negative nomenclature.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 02, 2020, 03:58:19 PM
Anyway here's Wonderwall (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx1Bh8ZvH84)
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: ariich on July 02, 2020, 04:08:59 PM
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I would love to drop this entirely as long as we can agree that I'm not a fucking transphobe. Okay? I get that Cyril apparently doesn't think I actually am one, which is great. But can we clear the air? This is ridiculous.
Absolutely. As a moderator, a neutral in this argument, and someone who very much likes and gets on with both of you, I would very much like that.

I would like to make a few (hopefully final) points from my perspective, if I may. I do this partly as a moderator in terms of explaining how I see it, and partly as an internet friend wanting to offer my own perspectives and experiences.

I 100% accept that you intended to apologise and "agree to disagree" in a respectful way, but because of the heated discussion and some of the wording used, it didn't come across that way. Similarly, I 100% accept that Cyril wasn't meaning to call you a transphobe, but that's what came across from the harshness of some of his reactions.

I'm a firm advocate for agreeing to disagree, but I also think it's important to fully engage in a discussion first, to listen respectfully to the other side of an argument and really take it in and be willing to have your mind changed. Often you won't significantly, or even at all to be honest, but just having the will helps reach that point of respectful disagreement. In this case, that didn't happen - both of you jumped very quickly to entrenched positions and dug in. Maybe you've had too many discussions like this or just wanted to move on, but again it's about how it comes across, which seemed dismissive (again I'm not suggesting this is what you intended or felt).

Also I was going to say this anyway, but it's particularly relevant to what you said here:

For the record I've been aware of the phrase for years. I've been aware some people don't like it. I was NOT aware that suddenly any usage of it can now be labeled as transphobic, and it greatly disturbs me that my intent is of no importance to the matter. The context in which I used it had absolutely nothing to do with trans people and doesn't even contain any negative nomenclature.
I agree that intent is extremely important, I'd even argue it's the most important thing, but it's not the only important thing - which I think is the point here. I also know from experience the frustration at being interpreted completely the wrong way. That's why I think it's so important to really engage in a proper discussion - it's helped me so much to avoid those sorts of misunderstandings (although not entirely, I should add). It's also why I believe it's so important to really truly accept that intent isn't enough on its own, and that regardless of intent or context, all of us can accidentally cause offence with what we say.

And in terms of a word/phrase/meme not originally being offensive but becoming so, this is the case for basically all offensive terms. Again with the N word (which I accept is on a completely different scale and history, I'm just using it as an extreme example of the same general principle), it was simply a descriptive term for 200 years before it became derogatory. But once something has that status, I think it's important to recognise and try to reflect that, again because to refuse to do can give the impression of being dismissive or not caring whether you cause offence.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Adami on July 02, 2020, 04:15:33 PM
Well that was a fun read!


So at first I actually agreed with both Tusky and Cyril. But then Studly agreed with Walrus and I have to disagree with him, so by the transitive property, I also have to disagree with KittyLox.

Sorry bud, didn't want it to go down this way.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: TAC on July 02, 2020, 04:17:47 PM
"did you just assume my gender" is the go-to sentence to make fun of transgender people so using it reflects poorly on you even if you're not being serious.

I've frankly never even heard that phrase before.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Elite on July 02, 2020, 04:18:16 PM
"did you just assume my gender" is the go-to sentence to make fun of transgender people so using it reflects poorly on you even if you're not being serious.

I've frankly never even heard that phrase before.

This is completely unsurprising though :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 02, 2020, 04:22:18 PM
So like am I for real out of this roulette still?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: ariich on July 02, 2020, 04:26:03 PM
So like am I for real out of this roulette still?
I hope not. Admittedly I've lost track a little, but if you have genuinely accepted that the meme in question can cause offence because of its usage/history, then I would definitely urge Cyril not to kick you out. And if you haven't done so in clear terms yet, then I would definitely urge you to do so.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 02, 2020, 04:26:56 PM
So like am I for real out of this roulette still?
I hope not. Admittedly I've lost track a little, but if you have genuinely accepted that the meme in question can cause offence because of its usage/history, then I would definitely urge Cyril not to kick you out. And if you haven't done so in clear terms yet, then I would definitely urge you to do so.
to be clear; this has been the entire point from the start, but given your comments in other threads i'm not inclined to accept you back in regardless now, so
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 02, 2020, 04:30:57 PM
Guess that settles it.

Even though i literally already did what ariich said. But okay. Honestly, I'd rather not even play in the roulette of someone acting so childish, so at least that is clear.  Peace...
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 02, 2020, 04:35:52 PM
second verse, same as the first
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: ariich on July 02, 2020, 04:38:02 PM
Even though i literally already did what ariich said.
I can't see that you did, not clearly. You apologised, but you did so while arguing that there was nothing at all wrong with using the meme, which I'm not sure entirely constitutes an apology. And I can't see where you've fully accepted that the phrase can inadvertently cause offence.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Sacul on July 02, 2020, 05:45:37 PM
While I'd agree that our host's initial response was a bit twitter-esque, nobody's calling you transphobic, Mr Walrus. I get why you're pissed at his attitude that such things aren't debatable - these topics have already been discussed and marked as offensive by the trans community long ago and many people already take that for granted whey they say it's a fact. Of course that makes you feel puzzled having no context or a deeper understanding of these issues so yeah it's kinda weird to be told something it's factually offensive without knowing exactly why. For some people it's not obvious at first glance, and doesn't help when the other parts get a little too intense and make it seem like they're judging you but Cyril's already cleared that up so let's all forgive each other and move on.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 02, 2020, 05:48:50 PM
I sent Ron Burgundy for round 3
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: ariich on July 02, 2020, 05:56:25 PM
While I'd agree that our host's initial response was a bit twitter-esque, nobody's calling you transphobic, Mr Walrus. I get why you're pissed at his attitude that such things aren't debatable - these topics have already been discussed and marked as offensive by the trans community long ago and many people already take that for granted whey they say it's a fact. Of course that makes you feel puzzled having no context or a deeper understanding of these issues so yeah it's kinda weird to be told something it's factually offensive without knowing exactly why. For some people it's not obvious at first glance, and doesn't help when the other parts get a little too intense and make it seem like they're judging you but Cyril's already cleared that up so let's all forgive each other and move on.
This is a great post, thanks Lucas. I very much hope that Cyril and Katt can talk it through properly (which never actually happened because it all escalated so quickly, which I assume is what Katt's Ron Burgundy reference is about :lol) and at least understand and forgive each other, even if they don't agree on everything.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 03, 2020, 06:34:34 AM
While I'd agree that our host's initial response was a bit twitter-esque, nobody's calling you transphobic, Mr Walrus. I get why you're pissed at his attitude that such things aren't debatable - these topics have already been discussed and marked as offensive by the trans community long ago and many people already take that for granted whey they say it's a fact. Of course that makes you feel puzzled having no context or a deeper understanding of these issues so yeah it's kinda weird to be told something it's factually offensive without knowing exactly why. For some people it's not obvious at first glance, and doesn't help when the other parts get a little too intense and make it seem like they're judging you but Cyril's already cleared that up so let's all forgive each other and move on.
This is a great post, thanks Lucas. I very much hope that Cyril and Katt can talk it through properly (which never actually happened because it all escalated so quickly, which I assume is what Katt's Ron Burgundy reference is about :lol) and at least understand and forgive each other, even if they don't agree on everything.

I did already say it's okay if we don't agree on everything. I also sent him an olive branch last night hoping to hash this out like adults.

One last thing that really does bother me is that apparently I should've known better and not posted that joke/meme, but Cyril, for all his knowledge of trans culture and issues surrounding it, purposely chose to refer to me by the wrong gender pronoun, which is the entire reason I said what I said, which should be apparent to everyone that I intended nothing malicious at all. So I am very confused as to why Cyril calling me a girl is acceptable behavior, but me referencing that meme is not when it was a perfectly suitable facetious response. And let me be clear it doesn't bother me that he called me a girl, I think it's funny. What I take issue with is him playing a double standard, where he can make the rules of what's acceptable for him to do, but then disregard my intent and rationale because something *I* said bothered him.

I have nothing against Cyril. I have nothing against trans folks. I'm here to have fun, bust balls, and share music like I have successfully done for 3-4 years. I thought Cyril and I were friends - apparently we're not. Okay. But I don't like how this makes me look to some people, hence why I'm still talking the next morning. Because it actually bothers me.

EDIT: Finally, to address an earlier concern about appearing 'dismissive' early on - I was not. As I said above I thought Cyril and I were friends, so I was talking to him like a friend. I didn't think it would turn into this.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: TAC on July 03, 2020, 10:38:20 AM
Let’s load the chamber.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Lethean on July 03, 2020, 11:15:09 AM
I'm not in this roulette but found out about this from another thread.

I think ariich and Sacul have mostly said what I would have said.  I don't believe I know anyone who is trans, but I have some gay relatives and we've talked about this sort of thing and I've learned from them.  I talked this thread over with them.  Obviously, they don't speak for the entire LGBTQ community, but feel like what they have to say would be agreed on by most.  Their position is essentially:

Don't use that meme, regardless of intent.  The person who sent it clearly (to them) didn't have ill intent, and that does matter, especially in how you should approach that person.  But they should still be made aware that it's harmful to trans people whether they meant it like that or not, and they should please refrain from using it.  Similarly, don't jokingly misgender someone (what Cyril did with again, what they believe no ill intent).  Men calling each other women, even or especially in a joking way among friends, reinforces both transphobia but also homophobia as well.  Reinforces stereotypes.  Some who were asking Katt not to use the meme might react to this last bit by saying "that's ridiculous."  They might balk at the idea because they've done it all their lives.  That doesn't mean someone else (not just Katt) should seize on that with "if they're not going to change, neither am I" and justify using the meme or saying similar things.  Two wrongs don't make a right.  Instead, recognize that as ariich said, this is a process for everyone.  It's engrained and takes time to change.  Sometimes people will screw up.  Some people will take time to come around, but hopefully they will.  Hold each other accountable but treat each other kindly.


Me: in general, I try and will try harder to take that above advice.  Maybe we all can.  Ariich has done the moderating and I don't think I could say anything that he's said better.  Kattelox is a friend and I think he's a good person.  It would be nice if both could move on but I get that a lot has been said and maybe it's not so bad to take a break from each other (in your roulettes) and let some time pass.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 03, 2020, 11:26:07 AM
I do not like the policing of comedy nor agree with it at all. But I apologized for causing offense and said I wouldn't make those jokes again in this thread. That should be plenty acceptable, and I feel that's a valid expression of remorse. Cyril does not have to accept it but it sure would be nice if he did so it would put my mind to rest on the issue.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: eric42434224 on July 03, 2020, 11:55:02 AM
I read this thread, and agree with many here that there was fault, and misunderstanding from both sides.  I think being open minded and really trying to see things from others viewpoints is essential.  I have learned A LOT during the racial unrest from listening directly from black co-workers and friends.  I think both parties are doing well in coming around to an understanding here, and kudos to them for doing so.  It is easy to let things blow out of proportion initially, and even easier to allow them to become permanent....so the de-escalation (along with help from others) is great.

My one suggestion is in regards to apologies....the person apologizing should not make the determination on what/how/why the other person should accept.  One should try not to qualify or condition an apology.  Also, one should not vent in another thread about it, as it can undermine the apology.  I get the interaction was frustrating, on both sides, but posting that frustration in another thread (even if it is a thread where the topic is venting) is counterproductive to the discussion.  This is NOT a personal attack, but just an observation, and my commenting on it spawns from a similar issue with apologies IRL for me. 

Regardless, this is ongoing to a degree, but kudos on participants and other posters on diffusing an emotion filled dust up on a sensitive topic.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Sacul on July 03, 2020, 11:57:23 AM
I do not like the policing of comedy nor agree with it at all. But I apologized for causing offense and said I wouldn't make those jokes again in this thread. That should be plenty acceptable, and I feel that's a valid expression of remorse. Cyril does not have to accept it but it sure would be nice if he did so it would put my mind to rest on the issue.
I agree it's a valid apology on the one hand, but on the other hand, while I kinda agree that policing comedy might not always be right, what you're trying to defend is a dumb edgy joke. I used to make lots of those not so long ago and I wonder what I even found funny on them, but then I also follow plenty of ironic meme pages that mock both consertatives and libtards so my taste is all over the place :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 03, 2020, 12:15:59 PM
EDIT: Nevermind. I'm just waiting patiently for Cyril to respond to me, if he will at all. I do not like people disliking me especially when I feel it's not justified. I want to hash this out like adults, with civility and respect. That's all.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: eric42434224 on July 03, 2020, 12:28:09 PM
But you're not a comedian, and this isn't about censorship of jokes.  It is about a joke you made to a friend.  One you had NO idea would be an issue, and clearly made with no ill intent.  But sometimes jokes that we dont know are offensive, and are made with no ill intent, can still hurt others.
If you are truly friends, it is about quickly realizing that you said something that really offended your friend, regardless of why.  This is where you take the value of your friendship and his feelings over a philosophical free speech hill to die on.  JMO.

EDIT....you edited your post, removing your defense of comedy.  I will leave this here, as it is still relevant.  I also apologize for posting in a thread I am not really a participant in.  This was obviously referenced in another thread, and I find it is a very pertinent topic these days.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: ariich on July 03, 2020, 12:30:47 PM
I'm not in this roulette but found out about this from another thread.

I think ariich and Sacul have mostly said what I would have said.  I don't believe I know anyone who is trans, but I have some gay relatives and we've talked about this sort of thing and I've learned from them.  I talked this thread over with them.  Obviously, they don't speak for the entire LGBTQ community, but feel like what they have to say would be agreed on by most.  Their position is essentially:

Don't use that meme, regardless of intent.  The person who sent it clearly (to them) didn't have ill intent, and that does matter, especially in how you should approach that person.  But they should still be made aware that it's harmful to trans people whether they meant it like that or not, and they should please refrain from using it.  Similarly, don't jokingly misgender someone (what Cyril did with again, what they believe no ill intent).  Men calling each other women, even or especially in a joking way among friends, reinforces both transphobia but also homophobia as well.  Reinforces stereotypes.  Some who were asking Katt not to use the meme might react to this last bit by saying "that's ridiculous."  They might balk at the idea because they've done it all their lives.  That doesn't mean someone else (not just Katt) should seize on that with "if they're not going to change, neither am I" and justify using the meme or saying similar things.  Two wrongs don't make a right.  Instead, recognize that as ariich said, this is a process for everyone.  It's engrained and takes time to change.  Sometimes people will screw up.  Some people will take time to come around, but hopefully they will.  Hold each other accountable but treat each other kindly.


Me: in general, I try and will try harder to take that above advice.  Maybe we all can.  Ariich has done the moderating and I don't think I could say anything that he's said better.  Kattelox is a friend and I think he's a good person.  It would be nice if both could move on but I get that a lot has been said and maybe it's not so bad to take a break from each other (in your roulettes) and let some time pass.
Lethean, I just want to say thanks for this incredibly respectful and thoughtful post, it's much appreciated.


But you're not a comedian, and this isn't about censorship of jokes.  It is about a joke you made to a friend.  One you had NO idea would be an issue.
If you are truly friends, it is about quickly realizing that you said something that really offended your friend, regardless of why.  This is where you take the value of your friendship and his feelings over a philosophical free speech hill to die on.  JMO.
This is a good point too.


Re "policing comedy", I'm not sure that's fair. Telling jokes like that isn't illegal, it's not against the DTF rules, and there's been no suggestion of any punishment for the joke itself. Free speech means one *can* say whatever they like, but it doesn't mean it's necessarily always a wise thing to do.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 03, 2020, 12:32:41 PM
I disagree with this double standard of comedy that only comedians or open mic warriors or anybody who gets on a stage has the freedom to make fun of anything, and us average Joes don't. There are people out there who don't even agree with that, and want professional comedians to toe certain lines.

We can have different senses of humor. That's fine. But don't tell me what is or isn't funny to me and then tell me an apology isn't good enough, when I apologized for causing offense, but the 'key' to my vindication is to change my sense of humor to what the offending party finds acceptable. I'm not going to do that, that isn't fair.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: eric42434224 on July 03, 2020, 12:36:43 PM
I disagree with this double standard of comedy that only comedians or open mic warriors or anybody who gets on a stage has the freedom to make fun of anything, and us average Joes can't.

We can have different senses of humor. That's fine. But don't tell me what is or isn't funny to me and then tell me an apology isn't good enough if I don't condemn the joke in question.

I think you might have missed the point Ariich just stated.  You ARE free to post your joke.  No one said you cant.  But that joke can be legitimately offensive to people....and in this case a friend.  Why would anyone want to post a joke that hurts their friend?  Because the have a "right" to?
Now we clearly know that you didnt know the joke was offensive to Cyril and others, and that you had no ill intent.  But NOW YOU DO.  And to continue to argue that you have the "right" to tell the joke severely misses the point, and makes it look like that point is more important than your friendship.

EDIT to your edit.  And no one is telling you to change ANYTHING about your sense of humor.  That is way off.  But words have consequences, and the relationships you have can be affected by those words.  Your choice as to which is more important.....one joke, or a friend.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 03, 2020, 12:38:26 PM
I disagree with this double standard of comedy that only comedians or open mic warriors or anybody who gets on a stage has the freedom to make fun of anything, and us average Joes can't.

We can have different senses of humor. That's fine. But don't tell me what is or isn't funny to me and then tell me an apology isn't good enough if I don't condemn the joke in question.

I think you might have missed the point Ariich just stated.  You ARE free to post your joke.  No one said you cant.  But that joke can be legitimately offensive to people....and in this case a friend.  Why would anyone want to post a joke that hurts their friend?  Because the have a "right" to?
Now we clearly know that you didnt know the joke was offensive to Cyril and others, and that you had no ill intent.  But NOW YOU DO.  And to continue to argue that you have the "right" to tell the joke severely misses the point, and makes it look like that point is more important than your friendship.

But I do have every right to tell the joke. I'm not arguing for the privilege to continue making it in this thread. I'm arguing that it's not fair to hold me to this standard that an apology is only acceptable if I change my sense of humor and admit that the joke is "never okay to use, ever" which is not something I believe. But just because I don't believe that does not mean I'm filled with hate or transphobic. I have bent over backwards to show remorse for upsetting people, Cyril in particular, and said I wouldn't post the offending material again. Why is that not good enough? I have already been punished by being removed from the roulette and taking a metaphorical beating from the public here.

I am watching myself fall into a trap of defending myself repeatedly but I am just making the same points over and over again, so I think I should just... stop now, I guess. I can only say it so many ways, but I know I'm a decent, good person, so if I have to live with this, so be it.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: eric42434224 on July 03, 2020, 12:44:59 PM
I disagree with this double standard of comedy that only comedians or open mic warriors or anybody who gets on a stage has the freedom to make fun of anything, and us average Joes can't.

We can have different senses of humor. That's fine. But don't tell me what is or isn't funny to me and then tell me an apology isn't good enough if I don't condemn the joke in question.

I think you might have missed the point Ariich just stated.  You ARE free to post your joke.  No one said you cant.  But that joke can be legitimately offensive to people....and in this case a friend.  Why would anyone want to post a joke that hurts their friend?  Because the have a "right" to?
Now we clearly know that you didnt know the joke was offensive to Cyril and others, and that you had no ill intent.  But NOW YOU DO.  And to continue to argue that you have the "right" to tell the joke severely misses the point, and makes it look like that point is more important than your friendship.

But I do have every right to tell the joke. I'm not arguing for the privilege to continue making it in this thread. I'm arguing that it's not fair to hold me to this standard that an apology is only acceptable if I change my sense of humor and admit that the joke is "never okay to use, ever" which is not something I believe. But just because I don't believe that does not mean I'm filled with hate or transphobic. I have bent over backwards to show remorse for upsetting people, Cyril in particular, and said I wouldn't post the offending material again. Why is that not good enough? I have already been punished by being removed from the roulette and taking a metaphorical beating from the public here.

No one is saying you dont have the right to say anything you want here, within forum rules of course.  That is just a straw man you are constructing.  No one is holding your apology to Cyril to any standard.....but you shouldn't expect Cyril to accept an apology for using a joke that was deeply offensive to him, and then continue to argue over your right to use it.  Apologizing and promising not to use the joke, then arguing your right to use it, is not apologizing, and certainly not "bending over backwards showing remorse for upsetting people".
Sometimes winning an argument is not winning.  No one is arguing free speech....we are discussing courtesy for the feelings of your friend.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: eric42434224 on July 03, 2020, 12:45:25 PM
double post sorry
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Indiscipline on July 03, 2020, 12:51:20 PM
Mike, I believe you are a good man and I am fond of both you and Cyril. Now, about comedy, can I offer a professional's view?

I don't wish to patronise, but as a comedian in musical theater - i.e. not only making jokes for different audiences, but doing it while working, traveling and living with people who are 80% gay - I have a horrendous amount of experience in incidents like this one, and maybe I can provide some perspective.

What did I learn, often in tears because clashing with people I love?

When you make a joke to a friend, you're not making comedy. He's not paid to listen to your idea of funny and fock off if he feels offended by it. You do it to have a mutual good time. If your friend is hurt by it, the only thing at stake is his feelings, not your philosophy of comedy.

Mind you, I am not accusing you of the fallout. You guys both did a piss poor job communicating, and once Cyril booted you out and gave the impression of giving a label, he dumped every possibility of really making you even consider that a weaponised (not by you) joke becomes a de facto weapon in the victim's eye, usually for a shitload of time.

Apologies and peace can truly only happen talking the issue in trust and good faith to teach and learn, without being sidetracked by noise like transphobic labelling or comedy policing.
 


I've been taught (by comedians) that comedy refuses policing because it's been policing itself for a couple of millennia with one simple rule:

Always make fun of what one does, never of what one is.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: eric42434224 on July 03, 2020, 12:51:44 PM
I am watching myself fall into a trap of defending myself repeatedly but I am just making the same points over and over again, so I think I should just... stop now, I guess. I can only say it so many ways, but I know I'm a decent, good person, so if I have to live with this, so be it.

Then stop being defensive by feeling you have to defend yourself!  You didn't do anything wrong initially.  You did not know it was offensive.  You have no ill intent.
But no one is saying you don't have free speech, or have to change your sense of humor.....continuing to argue those things undermines your apology to your friend.  Don't choose your right to say a joke you don't care about, over the relationship to a person you do.
I have no doubt you are a good person, and I don't think anyone on this board thinks otherwise.  That isn't what this is about....and if you make it about that, you make it personal.

EDIT: Indiscipline's post is SPOT ON.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 03, 2020, 12:53:28 PM
Always make fun of what one does, never of what one is.

I can think of dozens of legendary, world famous, still touring comedians whose entire careers violate this mantra.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: ariich on July 03, 2020, 12:56:27 PM
Just to be really clear about this Katt, not one person is saying you should change your sense of humour.

Also I'd like to highlight something important you posted:

when I apologized for causing offense
Actually, at the time you didn't although I don't doubt that you intended to given the conversation we've been having since - I think this might be the first time you've unequivocally said this (you had it in your previous post that you deleted too). At the time you apologised "to anyone who took offence" and said "sorry you got offended" - the language that implicitly puts the onus on the offended (and I noted at the time that such language doesn't really constitute a proper apology). You now being clear that you are apologise for causing the offence is a perhaps subtle but definitely important distinction, so thank you for that.


Also one other thing I've been reflecting on:

Similarly, don't jokingly misgender someone (what Cyril did with again, what they believe no ill intent).  Men calling each other women, even or especially in a joking way among friends, reinforces both transphobia but also homophobia as well.  Reinforces stereotypes. 
Katt made this argument previously and I didn't disagree with it but I don't think I gave it enough consideration. On one hand, calling someone "dudette" arguably doesn't come with the same connotations as that meme. But on the other hand, it is technically misgendering someone for humour and so I think I need to change how I think about that too. So I'd like to thank Lethean for raising this point, and I'd also like to apologise to Katt for not giving it sufficient credit previously.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 03, 2020, 12:59:41 PM
I feel like I've posted "I apologize for upsetting/causing offense" or some variation like six or seven times today alone.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: eric42434224 on July 03, 2020, 01:00:36 PM
Always make fun of what one does, never of what one is.

I can think of dozens of legendary, world famous, still touring comedians whose entire careers violate this mantra.

This is part of the problem.  Indiscipline writes a great post, with many take-away's that can improve your situation and knowledge.  And all you do is pick one sentence where you can disagree with him in a non productive manner. 


I feel like I've posted "I apologize for upsetting/causing offense" or some variation like six or seven times today alone.

Sometimes what we feel or think, is not always accurate.  Also, apologizing for doing xyz, then having lengthy discussions on why you have the right to do xyz, tends to severely undermine the apology.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 03, 2020, 01:02:33 PM
Always make fun of what one does, never of what one is.

I can think of dozens of legendary, world famous, still touring comedians whose entire careers violate this mantra.

This is part of the problem.  Indiscipline writes a great post, with many take-away's that can improve your situation and knowledge.  And all you do is pick one sentence where you can disagree with him in a non productive manner.

I believe Indi knows that I pay full attention to his posts. I didn't comment on the rest because I didn't have a disagreement with them, because he covered those points well enough, and, importantly, the thing he said resonated deeply with me based on my views on humor, and the quoted part was the crux of much of his post. Don't assume I'm being flippant, please. You do that with me a lot, and I'm not here to argue with you. Please, I am desperately asking you not to do that.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: ariich on July 03, 2020, 01:03:12 PM
I feel like I've posted "I apologize for upsetting/causing offense" or some variation like six or seven times today alone.
Actually yes you're right, looking back over your posts from today, you have indeed been saying that, so I was wrong to say you hadn't said it before that post I quoted. But my point about the nature of the apology at the time is still valid.


EDIT: Also I would like to back Katt up on the fact that he isn't flippant about this stuff, but he and I have discussed the fact that some of his posts have given that impression.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 03, 2020, 01:07:41 PM
If it seems like I was ignoring Indi at all, it's probably because I am utterly exhausted of talking about this. I'm exasperated and don't know what to do so I guess that's that. So... yeah. Hey, anyone know of any roulettes going on...?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on July 03, 2020, 01:09:58 PM
I feel like I've posted "I apologize for upsetting/causing offense" or some variation like six or seven times today alone.
EDIT: Also I would like to back Katt up on the fact that he isn't flippant about this stuff, but he and I have discussed the fact that some of his posts have given that impression.
All I can say is, it's tough to convey intent, emotion, and meaning through only text on the internet.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: KevShmev on July 03, 2020, 01:13:08 PM
As an outside observer, Walrus/Kattlelox, I think your stance and the way you have handled this has mostly been fine.

I get Cyril's reaction, all things considered.  I was also not aware that that meme was considered offensive to a specific segment of the population, so, hey, we are learn new stuff every day.  :tup :tup

There are no bad persons here.

Feels like one of those "time to move on" situations, if you ask me. ;)
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: ariich on July 03, 2020, 01:13:47 PM
I feel like I've posted "I apologize for upsetting/causing offense" or some variation like six or seven times today alone.
EDIT: Also I would like to back Katt up on the fact that he isn't flippant about this stuff, but he and I have discussed the fact that some of his posts have given that impression.
All I can say is, it's tough to convey intent, emotion, and meaning through only text on the internet.
Oh I completely agree, and it's why these days I put quite a bit of effort and thinking into how I word things. And I still cock up sometimes.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: eric42434224 on July 03, 2020, 01:14:23 PM
Always make fun of what one does, never of what one is.

I can think of dozens of legendary, world famous, still touring comedians whose entire careers violate this mantra.

This is part of the problem.  Indiscipline writes a great post, with many take-away's that can improve your situation and knowledge.  And all you do is pick one sentence where you can disagree with him in a non productive manner.

I believe Indi knows that I pay full attention to his posts. I didn't comment on the rest because I didn't have a disagreement with them, because he covered those points well enough, and, importantly, the thing he said resonated deeply with me based on my views on humor, and the quoted part was the crux of much of his post. Don't assume I'm being flippant, please. You do that with me a lot, and I'm not here to argue with you. Please, I am desperately asking you not to do that.

But here is the point, and it plays in to a lot of what else is going on here.  Perception is reality.  The way one responds in the context of the thread can be interpreted by others in ways you may not mean.  No one assumed you were being anything.....but what we post is the only thing people here have to form their opinion.  You assumed Indi knows....but maybe everyone here doesn't.  Just an observation.

And I don't do anything with you a lot.  If you think I assumed you were being flippant, that was not my intention.  I apologize if that was the impression I gave with my post.  The message I intended was that you MIGHT have only commented on what you disagreed with, perhaps as a form of "right fighting".  As I said before, being right is great....but being right and without a friend sucks.  I learned that the hard way IRL.  I try not to do it, but I know I still do.

I am not trying to start an argument with ANYONE here, especially you.  No need for any desperation.  Honestly just trying to help.  Sometimes an outside perspective helps....lord knows I have had my share of issues.  I dont want to create more issues if my posts are irritating you, so I will gladly back out if it makes you feel better.  If you and Cyril are truly friends, I hope that you can both work it out.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Indiscipline on July 03, 2020, 01:16:30 PM
Always make fun of what one does, never of what one is.

I can think of dozens of legendary, world famous, still touring comedians whose entire careers violate this mantra.

Crap, maybe that's why I am not that successful  :lol



Anyways, I know you know what I mean. We good.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 03, 2020, 01:17:05 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/qEQTCLt.gif)

Maybe it's finally time for that big long break from DTF after all, idk. I cause more problems than anything. Sorry
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Lethean on July 03, 2020, 01:41:49 PM
Katt, I really don't think that's necessary at all. A couple people have even just apologized to you, and almost everyone is making it clear that they don't have issues with you as a person.  I don't think anyone wants you to leave.

Maybe just step back from this thread for a bit.

You definitely don't "cause problems."  This thread has had a lot of high emotion, but it's also allowed for some discussion and caused people to think about some things they might not otherwise would have.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: King Postwhore on July 03, 2020, 01:54:16 PM
Mike my friend.   I understand why you are upset. You never meant that joke as an attack.  Without you knowing Cyril's background it upset him. 

Instead of Cyril privately telling you his issue so you could apologize you feel attacked out in the open.

Cyril is hurt though. You apologized.   Just leave it at that. We all know you didn't mean to hurt him.  You wanting to explaining is not helping you.

Cyril, instead of fighting back and then going silent,  talk it out. The world today needs more conversation and acceptance.  The other side can't understand without forgiveness.

It should have never escalated to where this is now.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: The Walrus on July 03, 2020, 02:02:41 PM
I agree.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Sacul on July 03, 2020, 05:32:46 PM
The world today needs more conversation and acceptance.  The other side can't understand without forgiveness.

It should have never escalated to where this is now.
All of this. It saddens me to see my fellow DTFers caught into such distraught in the middle of a fun game of roulette - I've been here for many years now and some are dear friends to me.

The internet is a terrible place for communication, even the long form of this forum can't avoid the short bursts of anger that happens in most social media. I'm sure this could have been solved way faster and with more compassion from both sides had it happened in person.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Northern Lion on July 03, 2020, 07:29:49 PM
As an outside observer, Walrus/Kattlelox, I think your stance and the way you have handled this has mostly been fine.

I get Cyril's reaction, all things considered.  I was also not aware that that meme was considered offensive to a specific segment of the population, so, hey, we are learn new stuff every day.  :tup :tup

There are no bad persons here.

Feels like one of those "time to move on" situations, if you ask me. ;)

I feel the same.

Mike my friend.   I understand why you are upset. You never meant that joke as an attack.  Without you knowing Cyril's background it upset him. 

Instead of Cyril privately telling you his issue so you could apologize you feel attacked out in the open.

Cyril is hurt though. You apologized.   Just leave it at that. We all know you didn't mean to hurt him.  You wanting to explaining is not helping you.

Cyril, instead of fighting back and then going silent,  talk it out. The world today needs more conversation and acceptance.  The other side can't understand without forgiveness.

It should have never escalated to where this is now.


I completely agree.


Maybe it's finally time for that big long break from DTF after all, idk. I cause more problems than anything. Sorry

No way man!  We all want you to stay Walrus  :tup.  I feel like I'm just starting to get to know you, and it would be a shame if you left.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: TAC on July 03, 2020, 07:35:57 PM
I'm sorry, but are we still rouletting here?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: King Postwhore on July 03, 2020, 07:40:00 PM
Tim you git.  Wait until Cyril responses.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Northern Lion on July 03, 2020, 08:07:04 PM
I'm sorry, but are we still rouletting here?

No TAC, we are all feels right now :biggrin:.  You must be thinking of a different thread.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Elite on July 04, 2020, 02:40:12 AM
I’m not the best person to solve problems, even though I always try to strive for inclusivity. I’m only responding here now, because I have read every single word on the last few pages with interest, watching the discussion unfold and learning / gaining some valuable insights.

This post is not going to accomplish anything. It would be selfish of me to ask for ‘Results now!’ in this Roulette thread, but it would be good to leave this situation behind. Honestly, I don’t know how realistic it is that this roulette continues as normal. Cyril not responding AT ALL has me slightly worried though. I hope you’ll come back and take everything to heart in this thread.

I love you guys, please let’s go back to or continue getting along with each other. :heart
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Nekov on July 07, 2020, 05:14:34 AM
So, is this thing dead? Did we all get shot?

It is a shame that a joke that was supposed to be innocent and not ill intended ended up causing so much trouble. I don't mind that this game is no longer running, but I would really like for Cyril to keep participating in the forum as he has become a beloved member of our little community. This is a place where we mostly have fun and distract ourselves from the bad things that happen in our lives and we should try to keep it that way. Even if we have disagreements here and there, we can still enjoy each other's company.
That's my 2 cents on this.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: ariich on July 07, 2020, 05:23:19 AM
I agree Diego, but it did get heated and if Cyril wants to take a break from posting for a bit, I think that's understandable and we should all respect that and be patient.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Elite on July 07, 2020, 05:56:34 AM
I tried sending Cyrilarama a PM yesterday; inbox full :(
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Nekov on July 07, 2020, 12:39:49 PM
I agree Diego, but it did get heated and if Cyril wants to take a break from posting for a bit, I think that's understandable and we should all respect that and be patient.

Oh, I totally do get it. I just hope it's not permanent  :smiley:
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 12, 2020, 09:40:47 PM
Round 2 Results
Round 2 Playlist (https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0Mf6oiy12bbkpCgUbmR5dv)

ariich: Mutoid Man – Bridgerburner

First Impression:
This sounds exactly like Amendfoil, except with slightly weaker vocals. Which is to say, I dig it, though it’s a bit lacking in substance.

Final Thoughts:
I’m okay with the best song of the round continuing to be bloody obvious from the getgo because it makes my job easier. This song rocks, plain and simple. Killer heavy riffing, tasty melodic leads, a banger of a chorus, and a chaotic breakdown at the end. All in like three minutes. Some of the songs this round are 7-8 minutes and they don’t have as many good ideas as this one!

And when I compare a band to Amendfoil that’s only a positive thing, considering the two albums of theirs I have I’ve rated both as 4.5’s. Good band. Rock as hard of them, have as good of hooks as them, you’re winning in my book. So yeah. More Amendfoil, cool! There really isn’t a huge difference between the two as far as I’m concerned, though maybe a difference will be more obvious in checking out the album.

Also, lacking in substance? I dunno why I said that, that’s not even really true. I dunno. This is really the only song of the round I found particularly exciting and while it’s not quite at the level good enough to guarantee immunity (it’s not as good as that Gospel song, which was already borderline) it’s still pretty dang killer.

Score:
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Mr. Crabs: Blaze Of Sorrow – Notturna

First Impression:
It took me over half the song’s runtime to figure out what genre this was trying to be. It’s solid in a very non-descript, hard-to-say-anything-about kind of way.

Final Thoughts:
I still pretty much agree with my initial impressions, though this has consistently been one of the better-ranking songs in this set at the very least. Because, I mean. It’s black metal. Mildly progressive black metal, even. It takes its time to really show that it is since most of the harder, more aggressive black metal is in the back half, and I do definitely prefer the back half even if the front half is good too, but like. This is METAL, man.

That being said as far as being prog, or being black metal, or being metal in general, it doesn’t really strike me as having a ton of flavor. I can enjoy the guitar work in the first half and the intensity of the back half while I’m listening to them but man does this not stick in my mind much. It mostly sounds good – I’d say the bass drum is mixed way too low but that’s my only real gripe there – but I struggle to find something here I couldn’t get from other bands either.

I’m still inclined to be nice to this one since it’s definitely one of the more exciting songs in this round, maybe I’ll follow up on the album to see if there’s better songs on it, maybe not, but regardless. This is cool stuff albeit I really don’t have a ton else to say about it beyond that.

Score:
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png)



Elite: Anima Tempo – Confessions

First Impression:
You’ll be pleased to know I don’t think this is djent. I comment on this only because I don’t have any other interesting thoughts on this at this time.

Final Thoughts:
Okay I mean, to be fair. It’s very 2010’s prog metal, which is an amalgamation of “prog” (time signature/tempo changes) with djent riffs and symphonic/power metal theatricality and, to an extent, cheese. So it’s kinda djent, but it’s not -just- djent.

It’s also kind of a mess. The song seems to have a “let’s just throw everything at the wall and see what sticks” mentality with its ideas that leads to pretty much no overarching motifs besides a chorus. Nothing really tying all these parts together. There are moments I dig, but they’re ultimately just moments – one idea hopping to the next without regards for flow or cohesion. And it’s not like anything here is super out of left-field, it’s all very standard sounds, so trying to cram as many of them in as possible means the memorability of all of them suffers for it.

There are moments I particularly like – the heavy bridge into the instrumental after it is probably the best part of the entire song, and the chorus is pretty solid – not super sticky, but there’s some power there, the vocalist is decent. There’s not really a lot here I dislike either. It’s all very fine. But they really need to figure out how to make their ideas converge into an actual proper song because what we do get here feels really sloppy and doesn’t strike me as particularly unique either. I like it for sure but I… don’t think I’m gonna remember it a week from now.

Score:
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png)



Dacul: Deftones – Change (In The House of Flies)

First Impression:
I get the intent of this submission and it’s, fine, but I sure hope this one is a grower because otherwise I’m going to get bored of it real quick.

Final Thoughts:
The production comment could’ve also been about this one yeah because, well, it’s not great here. Reeeally crunchy and muddy guitars (and sound in general really) and while I think this has marginally better production than G/Z/R it’s still not… good. Some of the riffing can actually hit kinda hard but it’d sound way better with competent production.

I place this above the lower-ranked songs mostly because… well, I do think there’s some decent hooks here even if I’m not completely sold on the melodies. I do remember this song to at least some degree when it’s over. It doesn’t stir up a strong emotional reaction in me but it’s at least… something? It’s another one that did grow on me at least a little bit while I was relistening. Uuhhh also. The drums have their moments.

I dunno, another one where I’m like, it’s perfectly fine and I don’t really have a ton to say about it. I’ve tried listening to this album before and remember it not doing much for me (nor did their 2016 album when it came out) so I’m about ready to file these guys away as “not for me” at this point. Solid but unremarkable.

Score:
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png)



Nekov: Leech – The Man with the Hammer

First Impression:
Nothing about this is bad or unpleasant, but I spent the entire time waiting for them to find a good riff yet they never did.

Final Thoughts:
This has grown on me a little but it’s also very, very easy to notice how… basic, it is. It’s built mostly on that one looped guitar line and it’s a fine guitar line but it’s sort of a dry melody. And there’s plenty of layers of texture to it that lead up to a fine enough climax – I’d probably put this as mostly post-rock with some post-metal moments, I guess, but it ebbs and flows and swells all the same.

And I guess there’s one good riff actually, albeit calling a riff that’s “play the same chord every other measure” the best riff in the song is a bit of a backhanded compliment? That hits hard though. Like a hammer. Swung by a man. The only other “riff” of note is just straight chord hits on the 8th notes and they sound bit I guess but that’s…more texture than riff.

I dunno, I think if this song was like 5 minutes long and ended at that first climax it would’ve worked better, because it’s not like the song really feels like it has much to add after that and it doesn’t even re-peak as high as its first peak either. It doesn’t really feel like anything special within its genre either but I do at least to an extent enjoy it, even if I don’t think it’s going to make me want to check out this band further.

Score:
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png)



Indiscipline: Quintorigo – Bentivoglio Angelina

First Impression:
Definitely unique and intriguing but I’m gonna have a really hard time getting into those vocals.

Final Thoughts:
Honestly just makes me think of “what if Diablo Swing Orchestra just didn’t use any rock instruments, and also was Italian”. That’s basically what this is. The singer(s) are very talented for sure, I don’t know quite how many there are but there’s some real intensity and range on display here, although the raspier/lower pitched voice I’m not a huge fan of. Naturally I don’t know a word of what they’re saying besides “Angelina” a lot of times but ehh, hardly matters.

As for the instrumentation, there’s parts of this where I can hear at least some kind of metal swell although it’s definitely more driven by the brass here than anything else (and there’s definitely no guitar to be found, which, fine). It does have a few small movements to it too, it feels like – that main brass motif does get a little tired but I don’t think it gets overused, and I do  quite dig the softer moments and the huge swell at the end too.

I dunno, I do kind of dig this but I don’t really… feel much listening to it, either. It has some power, but not much, it’s isolated more to specific moments. I’d have a hard time saying much of it is particularly pretty either. I do find it interesting and being interesting is pretty much guaranteed to get some level of credit from me unless it’s interesting in a bad way, but… mostly this just isn’t for me, I guess.

Score:
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png)



Tomislav95: Kryn – Risset

First Impression:
This, on the other hand, is definitely djent. It’s the kind of djent I can at least tolerate and occasionally enjoy though since there’s at least, grooves and hooks though.

Final Thoughts:
Actually I probably should slightly apologize to VOLA since uuhh they know how to write a hook a lot better than this band. Like, there -is- a hook to this one and it’s fine, but it’s not like, particularly memorable. I don’t really find any of this memorable, actually. It’s a djent song with some hooks, that’s basically it.

Like, the riffs, the grooves, they’re perfectly fine! I think the guitar tone isn’t particularly great or special but at the very least the riffs have a bit of punch to them even if they’re not particularly unique or diverse. The bridge too has this neat atmospheric feel to it that’s, it’s kinda cool but the vocals going on at the same time are… not doing it for me.

I think my problem more than anything is that this is perfectly fine but just seems to lack much in the way of personality, it’s probably the least memorable song of the entire round or even the entire roulette so far (which, two rounds, alright, fair enough) but. Ehh, I dunno. For what it’s worth based on my history with Wolverine and my one listen to that song before I realized they were banned I don’t think it would’ve done much better, if it did better at all.

Score:
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png)



Stadler: G/Z/R – Detective 27

First Impression:
The requisite “I could see this being solid but the production doesn’t work for me” song of the round.

Final Thoughts:
Ehh, the production is one of the things that holds this back, but really in general… yeah this isn’t for me. The production is way too muddy, for one, and I think it holds back the riffs from really hitting hard. But also, the vocals… I think there are multiple performers here and I don’t really like any of them, not the spoken word-ish bits, not the raspier vocals on the chorus, the cleaner hard rock voice is the closest to being enjoyable but I don’t… feel much for it either.

I will say, I do think the rhythm section pulls a decent amount of weight here, mostly the drums which drive a good sense of energy pretty consistently. But uuhhh. Eehh. It’s not enough to really save this one when for the most part I just don’t find it interesting. It’s very straightforward and very short and in that regards I can’t fault it for deciding not to overstay its welcome, but I can’t imagine returning to this either. Not the worst, not unlistenable, but not very interesting.

Score:
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png)



Eliminations coming tomorrow! Sleep well, everyone.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on July 12, 2020, 09:49:49 PM
Cyril! Glad you're back.

oh and pretty much nobody liked the 2016 Deftones album and White Pony is overrated in my humble opinion. Diamond Eyes and Koi No Yokan are better.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on July 12, 2020, 11:11:15 PM
Cyril! Glad you're back.

oh and pretty much nobody liked the 2016 Deftones album and White Pony is overrated in my humble opinion. Diamond Eyes and Koi No Yokan are better.
I'll give you, White Pony being slightly overrated, but there are some killer songs on that album, Change (In the House of Flies) being one of them. Although I think Passenger, Digital Bath, and my personal favorite Knife Party are better. Also I think the production on Change is intentional.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: Nekov on July 13, 2020, 05:08:32 AM
Glad to have you back!!! Also, congrats Rich on winning this. There's no way we are surviving the bullets  :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: Train of Naught on July 13, 2020, 05:14:26 AM
Mutoid Man :metal thanks for spreading the word ariich
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: Sacul on July 13, 2020, 08:30:11 AM
Cyril! Glad you're back.

oh and pretty much nobody liked the 2016 Deftones album and White Pony is overrated in my humble opinion. Diamond Eyes and Koi No Yokan are better.
I'll give you, White Pony being slightly overrated, but there are some killer songs on that album, Change (In the House of Flies) being one of them. Although I think Passenger, Digital Bath, and my personal favorite Knife Party are better. Also I think the production on Change is intentional.
Yeah I was unsure on what track to send, I should have sent something from Koi No Yokan tbh, like Entombed or Swerve City.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: Indiscipline on July 13, 2020, 08:33:43 AM
 :D

Very fair assessment. There is indeed one single vocalist, but insanely versatile.

They can rock pretty hard just vith strings, reeds, and brass. To wit, their treatment of Highway Star (https://open.spotify.com/track/3iiWSGLoX6MzXLucE0bHGi?si=i7NcU0cLT2yEltZQYr7nBw)
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: Elite on July 13, 2020, 09:40:43 AM
You basically wrote my oen thoughts of the song I sent :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: Crow on July 13, 2020, 09:58:41 AM
Anyways, here's the eliminations video.

https://youtu.be/rkruWogCwBw
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: Indiscipline on July 13, 2020, 10:08:02 AM
"Too Italian for this roulette"

(https://i.imgur.com/3ROrI7r.gif)
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: Sacul on July 13, 2020, 10:13:49 AM
Damn that was too close :lol I'll send something more up your alley soon.

Glad to have you back.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: ariich on July 13, 2020, 10:18:43 AM
"Too Italian for this roulette"

(https://i.imgur.com/3ROrI7r.gif)
:lol

Damn, three eliminations.

Mutoid Man :metal thanks for spreading the word ariich
Hell yeah, I quickly found myself loving those two songs on your EP, but also thought it was something Cyril would probably dig, so I'm glad I was right!

Good to have you back Cyril, I'll have a think about round 3.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: Evermind on July 13, 2020, 10:19:25 AM
"Too Italian for this roulette"

(https://i.imgur.com/3ROrI7r.gif)

First thing I thought of. :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: Elite on July 13, 2020, 11:18:04 AM
Alright.. sending soon!
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: The Walrus on July 13, 2020, 01:15:06 PM
Welcome back, Cyril - glad you haven't left.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: Crow on July 13, 2020, 01:30:32 PM
You basically wrote my oen thoughts of the song I sent :lol
also i meant to respond to this earlier:

why did you intentionally send a 7/10, then?  :rollin
i actually don't remember who i eliminated (besides indi) so let me rewatch the video and update the OP
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: Nekov on July 13, 2020, 02:32:27 PM
Welp, I guess that's it :lol. It is fitting though, I'm not much into metal any more so this was probably going to go downhill from here anyways
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: Elite on July 13, 2020, 02:59:42 PM
You basically wrote my oen thoughts of the song I sent :lol
also i meant to respond to this earlier:

why did you intentionally send a 7/10, then?  :rollin

I don't know, I sometimes send stuff in roulettes that I think the host might like better than I do. I mostly don't, but in your roulette(s) it's increasingly difficult to find stuff :corn
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: TAC on July 13, 2020, 03:52:50 PM
I think if Stadler squeaks through another round, Cyril is going to put a gun to his own head.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: Crow on July 13, 2020, 03:58:23 PM
hey, i really liked his round 1 submission  :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: Tomislav95 on July 14, 2020, 02:37:01 AM
heyyyy
will send later today
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: Stadler on July 14, 2020, 07:51:31 AM
I'm like the friggin' Matrix.  I'll have something later today.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: Crow on July 14, 2020, 05:56:37 PM
sure are a lotta EU folk who said they'd send "later today" who are now asleep  :lol
deadline is technically tomorrow at 9 AM PST but i'm gonna have to kill most of you if i hold to that apparently
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on July 14, 2020, 07:08:26 PM
Can't shoot people if they aren't around to be shot.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on July 14, 2020, 07:28:33 PM
this roulette's theme song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZe1ObvcfrQ
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: Elite on July 15, 2020, 01:20:29 AM
this roulette's theme song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZe1ObvcfrQ

This video is not available.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: Elite on July 15, 2020, 03:24:07 AM
And I sent for round 3.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on July 15, 2020, 07:46:05 AM
this roulette's theme song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZe1ObvcfrQ

This video is not available.
It's Nine Inch Nails - Big Man With a Gun
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: Elite on July 15, 2020, 08:25:18 AM
Yes, I could see that :)
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: Crow on July 15, 2020, 02:10:01 PM
i have a song from everyone, i'll do first impressions tonight
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: ariich on July 15, 2020, 02:11:06 PM
:tup
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: Elite on July 15, 2020, 02:27:02 PM
I hope my song impressed.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: Crow on July 15, 2020, 02:40:19 PM
i haven't listened to any of the songs yet, to be clear  :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 2 Results)
Post by: Crow on July 15, 2020, 09:10:32 PM
First Impressions
Round 3 Playlist (https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0GBRVLd4f5kLWUyEzznHC7)

1. The riffs are solid and fun and it stays dynamic enough to not get boring, though I feel like this is the kind of song that wears out on me relatively quickly too.
Stadler: Fastway - We Become One

2. Nnnnot too big on those vocals and considering how big a part of this the vocals are, it’s probably gonna be hard to look past them. The music is cool though.
Dacul: Modern Life is War - The Outsiders (aka Hell is for Heroes, Pt. I)

3. Reeeeeally not too big on those vocals and considering how big a part of this the vocals are, it’s probably gonna be hard to look past them. The music is cool though.
Elite: Battle of Mice - Sleep and Dream

4. I’ve heard this album before! It’s not what I look for in the genre but there’s admittedly some appeal to it regardless. Nice guitar work in a few spots.
ariich: Netherbird - Lunar Pendulum

5. I’ve heard this album before! The vocals on this are a style in which I inherently can never seem to enjoy, but otherwise it’s solid. Nice guitar work in a lot of places.
Tomislav95: Idle Hands - Jackie

The theme of this round seems to be "Cyril is really picky about vocals".
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 Impressions)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on July 15, 2020, 09:35:44 PM
1. Fastway
2. Modern Life is War
3. Battle of Mice
4. Idle Hands
5. Netherbird


2 and 3 could be swapped, and 4 and 5 could be swapped.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 15, 2020, 11:24:45 PM
yeah close enough
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 Impressions)
Post by: Elite on July 16, 2020, 02:15:23 AM
Oh dear, everybody eliminated
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 Impressions)
Post by: ariich on July 16, 2020, 02:18:41 AM
Fastway is Stadler
Modern Life is War is Dacul
Battle of Mice is Elite
Idle Hands is Tomi
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 16, 2020, 03:14:07 AM
correct everyone is instantly eliminated roulette over

i actually like this set more than the last one on average tbh but i don't think there's a song as good as gospel or mutoid man either, lol. we'll see
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 Impressions)
Post by: Elite on July 16, 2020, 03:22:46 AM
Battle of Mice is Elite

yes, I am Battle of Mice
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 Impressions)
Post by: ariich on July 16, 2020, 03:27:39 AM
correct everyone is instantly eliminated roulette over

i actually like this set more than the last one on average tbh but i don't think there's a song as good as gospel or mutoid man either, lol. we'll see
2 bullets for everyone.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 18, 2020, 02:20:36 AM
it's 1 AM but i only just got a chance to listen today and i gotta say, modern life is war -> fastway is an accidentally really good transition that i would've have expected

uhh results will be either tomorrow if i feel like it or sunday if i don't it's been hard to find time to listen this week
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 Impressions)
Post by: Elite on July 18, 2020, 03:27:45 AM
That’s quite quick anyway
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 Impressions)
Post by: Evermind on July 18, 2020, 03:34:15 AM
I mean there are only five songs :)
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 Impressions)
Post by: Elite on July 18, 2020, 04:06:43 AM
Oh, yes! Of course.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 19, 2020, 06:21:27 PM
Round 3  Results
Round 3 Playlist (https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0GBRVLd4f5kLWUyEzznHC7)

ariich: Netherbird – Lunar Pendulum

First Impressions:
I’ve heard this album before! It’s not what I look for in the genre but there’s admittedly some appeal to it regardless. Nice guitar work in a few spots.

Final Thoughts:
When I say I’ve heard this album before it’s more in a “I vaguely remember this artist name and looked up some old tweets to verify I had heard it but that’s all I remember” and yeah I can kind of see why I don’t remember this as much as Idle Hands. It’s uhh. Melodic black metal alright.

It’s weird because I’d vaguely say this is my favorite song of the round, but it’s not like it’s by much, or that it stands out in any real way, moreso that this just aligns with my tastes the most without having anything really functionally wrong with it. The main melody a lot of the song is based off of isn’t great I guess? It’s sufficient. The production can be shaky in a few places. But in general it’s got the energy and power I’d want out of something like this, and a tasty guitar solo towards the end too.

Calling this the round winner feels weird and wrong because of how “yeah s’fine” I am towards this song. I enjoy it more than anything else here but it is not inspiring me to want to go back to this album either. I sort of feel like my ratings have been really generous this roulette compared to my last one and this (and the songs below it) would score a tier lower in that one but aahh heck it who cares. Y’all need to do better next round, though. If there is a next round.

Score:
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png)

 

Tomislav95: Idle Hands – Jackie

First Impressions:
I’ve heard this album before! The vocals on this are a style in which I inherently can never seem to enjoy, but otherwise it’s solid. Nice guitar work in a lot of places.

Final Thoughts:
So I can’t figure it out. Is this a song about a guy whining that a girl doesn’t want to be with him? Or did Jackie die? I can’t figure it out. I guess that speaks to weak songwriting with how general and vague the lyrics feel but I don’t really care that much? It’s just something that’s been on my mind. Uhh. I still don’t really care for the vocals but they don’t annoy me in the way that the vocals on the lower-ranked songs do.

The guitar work on this is most of the appeal to me, there’s a fair bit going on in the leads that’s tasty and melodic and some solid riffs to compliment it as well. The drums also pull a lot of weight although I reeeally do not like the production on the drums, it feels really blown out, that snare sounds awful. It’s mostly the lead work here I dig though.

On the whole this song’s fine enough. I’ve tried listening to this album before, a few times after how much acclaim it got last year even, and while I can on some level enjoy it it’s not something I’d want to sit through a whole 40 minutes of repeatedly either. I think replace the vocalist with a different style of singer and work on that drum production and maybe this could’ve really worked for me though but as it is I do still like it well enough. It just doesn’t “wow” me either.

Score:
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png)



Stadler: Fastway – We Become One

First Impressions:
The riffs are solid and fun and it stays dynamic enough to not get boring, though I feel like this is the kind of song that wears out on me relatively quickly too.

Final Thoughts:
This does sort of feel like a mashup of two different songs loosely tied together with transitions that kind of work kind of don’t? The straightforward 4/4 rocker, and the triplet groove rocker. Am I weird for getting kind of a Zeppelin vibe off the 4/4 bits? Not as much as the triplet bits though. Uhh. I like both, though I think the swagger of the 4/4 bits works more for me than the groove of the triplet bits.

In terms of the vocals this is like, probably the best vocal performance of this round? The competition was slim but I do like the singer’s voice even if it’s nothing special. I do at least remember the hook of this song well enough. There’s a nice guitar solo in the middle of the song too. Alongside some good riffs and passable albeit not particularly noticeable work from the rhythm section. It’s just a very solid song all-around.

This is one of those instances where I’m kind of borderline between two ratings because I do like it but it doesn’t strike me as particularly special? But I think there’s just enough here for me to be nice to it, and I certainly found it easier to listen to than any of the songs I rated below it too, so, yeah. Fun stuff.

Score:
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png)



Dacul: Modern Life Is War – The Outsiders (aka Hell is for Heroes, Pt. I)

First Impressions:
Nnnnot too big on those vocals and considering how big a part of this the vocals are, it’s probably gonna be hard to look past them. The music is cool though.

Final Thoughts:
Post-hardcore is a thing I really love but when I see something tagged as “melodic hardcore” instead I do get a bit worried. On one hand, one of my favorite albums from last year was Tripsitter; on the other hand, one of my least favorite albums I got last year was Departures. It mostly depends on the strength of the songwriting as well as the vocal style, and this definitely leans more towards the latter… it’s a raspier style that sounds more like the singer ruining their voice rather than expressing anger or intensity. Real talk, I don’t like when any genre uses raspier vocals – probably why I’m not huge into Agalloch either.

Anyways so the vocals are a big deal and I mostly don’t like them. Which is a shame because the actual music is really good? It’s pretty simple but the riffing is strong, there’s enough little variations in the percussion especially and a good driving energy to the whole thing. The only minor gripe is that it feels cut off or incomplete given the ending, but I imagine than in the context of a full album that’s less notable or works better.

So I’m conflicted… on one hand the vocals here aren’t as insufferable as Battle of Mice, but they do take up the entirety of the song instead of just a third of it. But the song’s also half as long and musically more compelling. I can’t really help but compare them and this one easily comes out on top when I do so, but I also can’t say I really enjoy it all that much either. Just too much rasp, man.

Score:
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png)



Elite: Battle of Mice – Sleep & Dream

First Impressions:
Reeeeeally not too big on those vocals and considering how big a part of this the vocals are, it’s probably gonna be hard to look past them. The music is cool though.

Final Thoughts:
So when I say I don’t like the vocals, it’s honestly mostly just the first two minutes. I recognized that this was Julie Christmas almost immediately and she sounds way worse here than she did on Mariner, but I was never a massive fan of her on that album either. But yeah the spoken word thing she’s doing? Can’t stand it, especially the fact that she repeats the same thing twice. For the rest of the song she’s… fine, though.

I’d love to say that the rest of the song is good enough to balance it out but… it’s mostly just “fine”. It’s very standard post-metal stuff. It’s got some atmosphere and it’s got… uhh… heaviness, but it’s hurting for riffs or distinguishable melodies. Which is fine, it’s not instrumental and the vocals are meant to be the centerpiece here, and they’re, again, fine enough, she does have a pretty distinct and occasionally powerful voice, but… it doesn’t really give me much to work with.

I’m mostly feeling pretty lukewarm towards this one, but in a way where I really wouldn’t want to revisit it, either. Mostly for the first two minutes. It’d be rating slightly higher with those two minutes removed, and it’d be rating lower if it was all like those two minutes.

Score:
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png)
 


Eliminations coming tomorrow! Sleep well, everyone.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 Results)
Post by: Elite on July 19, 2020, 11:13:14 PM
Huuuuu
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 Results)
Post by: ariich on July 20, 2020, 01:30:54 AM
Woo, least mediocre!

Now to get eliminated anyway.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 Results)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on July 20, 2020, 08:17:12 AM
Woo, least mediocre!

Now to get eliminated anyway.
I only got one bullet in the first round and still got eliminated. Then again, I have the worst luck in Cyril's roulettes.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 Results)
Post by: ariich on July 20, 2020, 08:31:45 AM
Woo, least mediocre!

Now to get eliminated anyway.
I only got one bullet in the first round and still got eliminated. Then again, I have the worst luck in Cyril's roulettes.
I mean, you won the last one, so it can't be that bad. :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 Results)
Post by: Crow on July 20, 2020, 09:58:38 AM
Alright, here's your regularly scheduled blood-spilling.

https://youtu.be/lRMT-5CcCXw
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 Results)
Post by: Evermind on July 20, 2020, 10:10:55 AM
Tomislav's spin :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 Results)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on July 20, 2020, 10:29:01 AM
BY THE GRACE OF GOD ABOVE
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 Results)
Post by: ariich on July 20, 2020, 10:30:58 AM
Tomislav's spin :lol
After that, I was absolutely convinced I was going to cop it. :lol

Also good choice of background music. :tup
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 Results)
Post by: Elite on July 20, 2020, 11:16:15 AM
:lol

Time to send another 4 bullet track
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 Results)
Post by: Sacul on July 20, 2020, 11:33:32 AM
Yeah I knew the vocals wouldn't be up your alley but I have very few choices now :lol

Damn missed a bullet yet again, phew. Time to send a 5 bullet track :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 ROOOOOAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR)
Post by: Tomislav95 on July 21, 2020, 01:56:49 AM
Phew, I was lucky there. Sending today.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 ROOOOOAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR)
Post by: Crow on July 22, 2020, 02:08:15 AM
btw i only have one song and the 48 hour deadline is in 8 hours  :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 ROOOOOAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR)
Post by: Tomislav95 on July 22, 2020, 04:06:00 AM
Does that mean I automatically win? :P
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 ROOOOOAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR)
Post by: Elite on July 22, 2020, 04:57:41 AM
No, it means that I have to hurry to send something.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 ROOOOOAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on July 22, 2020, 08:29:40 AM
What a bunch of slackers! :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 ROOOOOAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR)
Post by: Sacul on July 22, 2020, 08:38:24 AM
They make me so proud  :metal
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 ROOOOOAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR)
Post by: Elite on July 22, 2020, 08:44:17 AM
A bit over one hour left :corn
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 ROOOOOAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR)
Post by: Crow on July 22, 2020, 10:04:34 AM
They make me so proud  :metal
i can't believe you posted this in-thread and then were the only person not to send me something like wow dude  :P
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 ROOOOOAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR)
Post by: Stadler on July 22, 2020, 10:10:24 AM
I'm in, but I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel, I think.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 ROOOOOAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR)
Post by: Sacul on July 22, 2020, 12:41:07 PM
They make me so proud  :metal
i can't believe you posted this in-thread and then were the only person not to send me something like wow dude  :P
Gotta keep my consistency :metal

Sent some post-hardcore.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 ROOOOOAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR)
Post by: Crow on July 22, 2020, 12:42:02 PM
i appreciate that you've read my tastes post and keep trying to pander to me, that's exactly what i'm looking for

everything submitted looks fine so i'll do first listens and impressions tonight
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 ROOOOOAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR)
Post by: Elite on July 22, 2020, 12:49:06 PM
I don't know enough post-hardcore, so that's why you're getting mediocre prog-metal and post-metal from me.

Be glad I didn't open the sludge / doom barrel :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 3 ROOOOOAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR)
Post by: Crow on July 22, 2020, 08:17:27 PM
First Impressions
Round 4 Playlist (https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1TnVKX6BMEzZvD3UK8lJtA)
Also one song not on spotify (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luDFBC17zwg)

1. There are melodies, sure, but where are the hooks, man?! The general sound of this is cool but I see myself struggling to really remember anything about it.
Elite: The Contortionist - Clairvoyant

2. Oh right THESE guys. I’m sorry but everything about this aesthetic is just… a huge turn-off for me, all of it. I think I turned this album off after the first song when I originally tried listening to it.
Dacul: Future of the Left - Bread, Cheese, Bow and Arrow

3. So the only single thing I could think most of my first listen was “wow, these guys sure do a pretty good Pearl Jam impression!”
Stadler: Psycho Motel - Rain

4. For the most part, I really dig the vocals on this. The music, not as sure about, though it definitely feels less important than the vocals anyways.
ariich: The Plot In You - My Old Ways

5. A classic example of “fun for what it is, but also very generic for what it is”. On first listen I already know what score this is going to get.
Tomislav95: Kalmah - They Will Return

This round sure has some songs in it. I'unno, feels better than the last round overall, I think. But has also probably the worst song of the roulette.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Impressions)
Post by: Sacul on July 22, 2020, 08:33:37 PM
Ohgod I probably just sent the one big dud didn't I :lol Is it 2, right?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 22, 2020, 08:36:21 PM
Well, we'll see
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Impressions)
Post by: Tomislav95 on July 23, 2020, 12:51:30 AM
Is my the first one?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Impressions)
Post by: ariich on July 23, 2020, 01:53:05 AM
I'd guess at maybe 4 for me, and 3 for The Contortionist, which was perhaps sent by Elite?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 23, 2020, 01:59:35 AM
you are 4 and Elite sent the contortionist but the other impressions guesses are wrong
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Impressions)
Post by: ariich on July 23, 2020, 02:25:48 AM
In that case...

Elite/Contortionist is impression 1 (I like that album having not liked any of their previous ones, but it's not exactly hook-laden).
Stadler sent Psycho Motel and is impression 5.
Sacul sent Future of the Left.
Tomi sent Kalmah and is impression 3.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 23, 2020, 02:37:20 AM
close enough that i'll give it to you
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Impressions)
Post by: Tomislav95 on July 23, 2020, 05:21:15 AM
7/10
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Impressions)
Post by: Elite on July 23, 2020, 05:42:20 AM
Why would you send Kalmah though?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Impressions)
Post by: Tomislav95 on July 23, 2020, 09:28:47 AM
Why would you send Kalmah though?
Why not?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Impressions)
Post by: Elite on July 23, 2020, 09:57:49 AM
I would personally not send melodic death metal to Cyril, because I don't think he would like it. And then if I had no other choice, I think there's better melodeath out there than Kalmah.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 23, 2020, 09:58:42 AM
you also sent me that battle of mice song, so  :corn
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Impressions)
Post by: Elite on July 23, 2020, 10:17:58 AM
That's more post-metal, but yeah. It didn't score that well.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Impressions)
Post by: Tomislav95 on July 23, 2020, 10:49:19 AM
I'm not listening to melodeath that much tbh and also I'm kind of winging it this roulette. I've been lucky so far, yes, but it's more fun when I need to escape more bullets :corn
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Impressions)
Post by: Sacul on July 23, 2020, 12:11:13 PM
Well crap :lol is it too late to resend, was about to send something else from that album that was more digestable.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 23, 2020, 11:26:33 PM
Well crap :lol is it too late to resend, was about to send something else from that album that was more digestable.
i'm genuinely tempted to say yes because i'm gonna be honest this might be the worst song i've ever been sent in a roulette, period. it at least has me questioning if it is.

but that would be bending the rules in a way i don't really want to do. if it helps yes your score is as bad as the previous statement implies sorry lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Impressions)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on July 23, 2020, 11:30:36 PM
Well crap :lol is it too late to resend, was about to send something else from that album that was more digestable.
i'm genuinely tempted to say yes because i'm gonna be honest this might be the worst song i've ever been sent in a roulette, period. it at least has me questioning if it is.
/Absu
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 23, 2020, 11:33:44 PM
absu is god-tier compared to this
that wretched slint song from my first roulette is genuinely the only song i can think of that's as bad as or worse and i do think it -is- worse just for being completely and utterly nothing + going on twice as long as this one but it's like comparing rotten apples to rotten apples
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Impressions)
Post by: Elite on July 24, 2020, 01:46:45 AM
Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-T63_DK8hc
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Impressions)
Post by: Sacul on July 24, 2020, 02:48:33 PM
Even worse than that St. Vincent album I sent you? :metardica:
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Impressions)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on July 24, 2020, 03:08:19 PM
The vocals in Sacul's song gave me a good laugh. :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Impressions)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 25, 2020, 06:43:19 PM
I just dropped into this thread and am thrilled to see The Plot In You being sent by someone other than me.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Impressions)
Post by: Train of Naught on July 26, 2020, 04:55:35 AM
Found this thread through Puppies signature, am now tempted to listen to Sacul's song AND whatever Absu is :metal you're wrong about Slint though :loser:
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Impressions)
Post by: Crow on July 26, 2020, 05:55:11 PM
Round 4 Results
Round 4 Playlist (https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1TnVKX6BMEzZvD3UK8lJtA)

Elite: The Contortionist – Clairvoyant

First Impressions:
There are melodies, sure, but where are the hooks, man?! The general sound of this is cool but I see myself struggling to really remember anything about it.

Final Thoughts:
On the whole, this doesn’t -feel- like it should be the round winner because in many ways it’s weaker than the three songs below it. I still agree with my first impressions – I don’t find much of this memorable, but…

It’s in a weird way where that makes me just want to listen to this one more? This stands out from the crowd by virtue of being the only song here that feels like it has much depth beneath the surface, any real complexity to it, anything that isn’t just immediately obvious.

And while I don’t find it supremely memorable, I do find it enjoyable? I like the melodies they go for, the riffing is pretty solid, I don’t know what kind of chord the one that goes like BWAANNGG is that a lot of metal bands use lots of but I love that kind of chord. The vocals are pleasant although they’re definitely mixed too low. And the general atmosphere of this is nice too, up to including some synthy ambience at the end that I like.

I do remember checking this album out a few times back in 2017 and not really being too into it or remembering much of it and I can see why that would be the case, and maybe in full album form this won’t work so well for me, but for what I do hear here? Well, it’s not mindblowing, but it’s good for what it is all the same.

Score:
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png)



ariich: The Plot In You – My Old Ways

First Impressions:
For the most part, I really dig the vocals on this. The music, not as sure about, though it definitely feels less important than the vocals anyways.

Final Thoughts:
My gut reaction was to go “oh hell yeah more post-hardcore” and like. That’s valid I guess but this is of the “kind of flavorless/generic” variety too, ultimately. Things that stand out negatively: The riffs can get a bit close to djent-y in spots, though the guitar tone isn’t. The lower-pitched -core vocals sound… not good. I’m not so sure about the synths used either.

Everything else… it’s solid! Dude’s a pretty good singer. There’s a generally solid sound to this, the riffs hit hard, I feel A Number of Emotions listening to this (though not especially strong ones), it’s the right length for the style. The lyrics are kind of uninspiring and I was hoping they’d be able to help make this one really click for me but nah I don’t think they’re interesting at all.

It’s overall a pretty solid post-hardcore track. I feel that’s like, the theme of this round. Songs that are really solid examples of their styles but fail to go the extra mile in either execution or intrigue to really stand out. So how I rate them mostly just comes down to how much I like the style, and I like post-hardcore more than grunge and melodic death metal, so… yeah!

Score:
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png)



Stadler: Psycho Motel – Rain (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luDFBC17zwg)

First Impressions:
So the only single thing I could think most of my first listen was “wow, these guys sure do a pretty good Pearl Jam impression!”

Final Thoughts:
I say Pearl Jam but it gives me a more generally grungy vibe than anything and Pearl Jam is just the closest comparison I can make, I guess. I am not very knowledgeable in grunge, or grunge-adjacent acts, admittedly. Not a genre I mind either, just one that doesn’t do much for me.

This does have a bit of a hard rock bent to it too but the influence is undeniable, though I don’t think they’re incompatible sounds at all and this overall comes out to being pretty solid and enjoyable. The vocals are solid, the washed-out sound works for the aesthetic they’re going for, that guitar solo is pretty tasty, it doesn’t drag on too long. It all just works.

It’s something I’m going to listen to and go “oh, that right there is -my- song!!” but while it’s on I do like this one more than a decent bit. I really don’t have too much else to add about this one either. Another one where I’m a bit borderline on the score so I’m just gonna be nice again, who cares, it’s fine.

Score:
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png)



Tomislav95: Kalmah – They Will Return

First Impressions:
A classic example of “fun for what it is, but also very generic for what it is”. On first listen I already know what score this is going to get.

Final Thoughts:
When I think of melodic death metal usually I just assume “oh, power metal but with growls” and that’s to an extent kind of unfair as there’s plenty of melodeath that goes way heavier than power metal would ever dare.

But this one is definitely, 100% just power metal with growls. It even has the obligatory very specific keyboard patch for the guitar solo that every power metal band seems to use. It’s sort of hard to say much else about it because just by saying that you know what the entire song sounds like.

I will give this credit in that it does have solid riffing and melodic hooks, albeit ones generic enough that despite actually being hooks, I don’t tend to really remember what this song sounds like for very long after it’s over. I hate to overuse “generic” because that often doesn’t feel fair but this really just is… that. Enjoyable to listen to but it’s like the junk food of metal – high energy and very agreeable but mostly empty calories.

Score:
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png)



Dacul: Future of the Left – Bread, Cheese, Bow, and Arrow

First Impressions:
Oh right THESE guys. I’m sorry but everything about this aesthetic is just… a huge turn-off for me, all of it. I think I turned this album off after the first song when I originally tried listening to it.

Final Thoughts:
I’m going to be honest. I only listened to this twice. There was no way in hell I was going to be able to suffer through it more than that. I find everything about this insufferable. The vocals, especially, sound like the worst possible version of Mike Patton and it’s obvious the intent is to be annoying in that way. The main riff also sounds like a bad Faith No More riff too though. This is just really, excrutiatingly awful Faith No More, that’s it. The drums are basically non-existent. The lyrics seem really immature. There’s like. An attempt at mediocre-at-best riffing at the end.

I don’t think I’ve heard a song this bad in one of my roulettes since… uhh… oh, oh no, this genuinely may be the worst song I’ve ever had to suffer through in a roulette, I’m not gonna lie. Only that Slint song is comparable, I think, and I’m not going to go relisten to it to find out which one is worse. So yeah uuhh. Good luck with the bullets, I guess?

Score:
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png)



Eliminations coming tomorrow! Sleep well, everyone.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Results)
Post by: Sacul on July 26, 2020, 06:07:56 PM
Funny how I end up sending both the best and worst songs on your roulettes :2metal:
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Results)
Post by: Crow on July 26, 2020, 06:10:33 PM
yeah it's just your thing it seems like
you had the best song in my v1, the worst album in my v4, the worst song in my v5, one of the best songs in my v6, and now both the best and worst (so far) in my v7
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Results)
Post by: Tomislav95 on July 27, 2020, 12:47:49 AM
Too bad :/ I hope I escape bullets once more because I got two bands I want to send really bad
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Results)
Post by: Elite on July 27, 2020, 09:36:58 AM
Oh wow, I got 'best' song of the round even :)

:corn
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Results)
Post by: ariich on July 27, 2020, 09:38:45 AM
Put me out of my misery!
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Results)
Post by: Crow on July 27, 2020, 10:04:03 AM
Come on down to the murder circus! There's no circus tho

https://youtu.be/PUDFk7d-rzo
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Results)
Post by: Elite on July 27, 2020, 10:16:32 AM
The flashy colours of the spinning wheel, as well as the confetti at the end of each spin kind of gives it a circus vibe though :)
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Results)
Post by: ariich on July 27, 2020, 04:50:52 PM
The flashy colours of the spinning wheel, as well as the confetti at the end of each spin kind of gives it a circus vibe though :)
Plus there's a sound of people cheering/celebrating, even when a bullet is selected. "Hooray, you died!". :lol

Glad there were some deaths this time, and more glad that I wasn't one of them. Bring on the final round!

EDIT: Sent!
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Results)
Post by: Sacul on July 27, 2020, 06:18:00 PM
Hell yeah I'm out from yet another cyril roulette :2metal:

Tbh I was about to send How to Spot a Record Company as it's a lot more straightforward and way less annoying both vocally and musically. Would have likely gotten 2 or 3 bullets tho :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Results)
Post by: Tomislav95 on July 28, 2020, 12:38:52 AM
Shit! I really didn't know what I was doing most of this roulette, sent what first popped in my mind really and just when I discovered 2 bands you might like more than anything I sent, I'm out :angry: :'(
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Results)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on July 28, 2020, 01:22:50 AM
Shit! I really didn't know what I was doing most of this roulette, sent what first popped in my mind really and just when I discovered 2 bands you might like more than anything I sent, I'm out :angry: :'(
Hey, I was out in the first round with a 1 bullet song.... :corn
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Results)
Post by: Crow on July 28, 2020, 01:27:21 AM
Shit! I really didn't know what I was doing most of this roulette, sent what first popped in my mind really and just when I discovered 2 bands you might like more than anything I sent, I'm out :angry: :'(
send them too me anyways i'll probably do some post-rouletting
i still have what puppies sent me for round 2
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Results)
Post by: Crow on July 28, 2020, 09:57:31 PM
Just a reminder that the sending deadline is 9 AM PST tomorrow morning, and I only have one of three submissions thus far.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Results)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on July 28, 2020, 10:35:38 PM
Just a reminder that the sending deadline is 9 AM PST tomorrow morning, and I only have one of three submissions thus far.
Should make declaring the winner easier :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Results)
Post by: Crow on July 28, 2020, 10:45:48 PM
Congrats, splent!
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Results)
Post by: Elite on July 29, 2020, 03:08:33 AM
Don’t worry, you’ll get mine. I know the artist I’m sending, just need to figure which song exactly, because there’s quite some variation to choose from.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Results)
Post by: Stadler on July 29, 2020, 07:46:19 AM
Just a reminder that the sending deadline is 9 AM PST tomorrow morning, and I only have one of three submissions thus far.

BAM!!  Suck it, Trebek!!!
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Results)
Post by: Crow on July 29, 2020, 09:36:03 AM
Just a reminder that the sending deadline is 9 AM PST tomorrow morning, and I only have one of three submissions thus far.

BAM!!  Suck it, Trebek!!!
i read this as  you sending something, but i still don't have anything from you  :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Results)
Post by: Elite on July 29, 2020, 09:47:08 AM
You got mine though, right?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Results)
Post by: Crow on July 29, 2020, 09:50:13 AM
yes
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Results)
Post by: Stadler on July 29, 2020, 09:54:14 AM
Just a reminder that the sending deadline is 9 AM PST tomorrow morning, and I only have one of three submissions thus far.

BAM!!  Suck it, Trebek!!!
i read this as  you sending something, but i still don't have anything from you  :lol

I thought I sent something!   Dammit!!!

Back to the drawing board...
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Results)
Post by: Crow on July 29, 2020, 10:14:19 AM
got it now  :tup

i'm fairly certain this is the shortest amount of music anyone has ever been sent in a roulette round. 13 minutes! i have so many songs longer than this round's playlist!
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Results)
Post by: Elite on July 29, 2020, 10:20:57 AM
:lol

Listen to the other song suggestion I gave from the same band. That one is a fair bit longer.


For what it’s worth, my first(?) ever roulette had a round where people had to submit something under 2 minutes. It was either 8 or 10 participants. Not a long round either.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Results)
Post by: Elite on July 29, 2020, 10:31:12 AM
Or swap my song for the other. Deciding things is difficult. It’s such a compelling track whaaa
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Results)
Post by: Crow on July 29, 2020, 10:32:05 AM
I'm gonna go with the one you specifically told me to listen to unless you PM me otherwise before i do first impressions
For the record, I am not -complaining- that this round is short. That makes things easier for me  :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Results)
Post by: Elite on July 29, 2020, 11:00:41 AM
Go with the one I told you to listen to then. But do listen to the other track as well :)
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 4 Results)
Post by: Crow on July 29, 2020, 11:07:12 PM
First Impressions
Round 5 Playlist (https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1H6h44ox7SpchMijSdbSDN)

1. It’s 10 PM at night and I’m making ramen. What’s happening to my life. The middle of this song reminds me of water simmering to a boil by the end.

2. This song contains an appropriate amount of noodling for something I’m listening to while making ramen. It does have some meat to it besides, like the chicken flavoring that I add to my ramen.

3. This reminds me of something familiar, like the taste of ramen in the middle of the night. It’s a bit spicy, too, like the seasoning I tend to add to my ramen.

honestly tempted to just slap a 1 or 2 on all of these songs and call it a day, this is the best round since round 1 in terms of average musical quality lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 5 Ramenpressions)
Post by: Elite on July 30, 2020, 01:00:04 AM
I could solve the who sent what easily, bit the impressions are a bit weird
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 5 Ramenpressions)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on July 30, 2020, 07:23:55 AM
10pm isn't even that late to be making ramen tbh
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 5 Ramenpressions)
Post by: ariich on July 30, 2020, 07:30:32 AM
I could solve the who sent what easily, bit the impressions are a bit weird
Well yeah it's super obvious that Stads sent Alcatrazz, so it's easy for us because we know what we sent. :lol Maybe let's let other's guess who sent which.

Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 5 Ramenpressions)
Post by: Stadler on July 30, 2020, 08:52:50 AM
I'm saying I'm impression two.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 5 Ramenpressions)
Post by: Crow on August 02, 2020, 12:07:20 PM
i'm making lunch then i'm gonna do writeups & post results after that, ok

eliminations will again be up tomorrow morning. at the end of the video you'll know if the roulette is over or if we'll need another round
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 5 Ramenpressions)
Post by: Crow on August 02, 2020, 01:31:23 PM
Round 5 Results
Round 5 Playlist (https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1H6h44ox7SpchMijSdbSDN)

ariich: Wretched – Part I: Aberration

First Impressions:
It’s 10 PM at night and I’m making ramen. What’s happening to my life. The middle of this song reminds me of water simmering to a boil by the end.

Final Thoughts:
I like this song but it seems like a really weird pick for a roulette. I mean, a four minute song that takes a break in the middle for an entire minute of ambient acoustic guitar and wailing mystical vocals or whatever I’m not finding the word I’m looking for here but you know what I mean.

The first minute or so of the song is probably my favorite bit of it too, good balance of heavy riffing and harmonized leads with a real moment of intensity before the break. The back half of the song is mostly riff- and solo- based and while both are fine there’s a lack of the instrumental synergy the first minute saw and I don’t find it quite as compelling.

There’s… not a ton else to say here, it’s just a solid prog mostly-instrumental track. Maybe that weird interlude works better in the context of the album? I don’t think it hurts this song massively and there is quality on display here albeit not a lot of personality to any of it, but it’s still solidly enjoyable overall.

Score:
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png)



Elite: Brutus – Carry

First Impressions:
This reminds me of something familiar, like the taste of ramen in the middle of the night. It’s a bit spicy, too, like the seasoning I tend to add to my ramen.

Final Thoughts:
Fun fact, I’ve actually listened to both of this band’s albums before. And both gave me the same impression; “I should like this a lot more than I do”. That’s true to an extent in this song, I suppose, although I was pleasantly surprised that I enjoyed this as much as I do all the same.

I think what gets to me the most is the really shoegaze-y vibe of this entire thing. Instead of letting the riffs hit hard or letting the melodies soar, it’s all kind of washed out in this flat layer of reverb that also drowns out the vocals a bit, which is a shame because the vocal performance here is quite good with some real high points scattered throughout. The drum work does at least cut through the mix with some solid grooves and moments of intensity but the whole thing ends up feeling pleasant but vaguely homogeneous.

I can’t argue that they definitely have their own sound, this middle ground between shoegaze and post-hardcore, and I don’t think it sounds bad for what it is either – again, I enjoyed this more than I was expecting too – but it also highlights the weaknesses of their sound and why I probably didn’t click with the full album experiences much when I did listen to them – I could imagine this getting reeeeally old if I had to listen to it for 40 minutes straight. In this small slice though? It’s not perfect, but it’s pretty neat stuff.

Score:
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png)



Stadler: Alcatrazz – Kree Nakoorie

First Impressions:
This song contains an appropriate amount of noodling for something I’m listening to while making ramen. It does have some meat to it besides, like the chicken flavoring that I add to my ramen.

Final Thoughts:
After 34 years, this band apparently put out a new album just a few days ago. That’s kind of insane to think about. Like, aside from the vocals it’s an entirely different band/set of instrumentalists but you know! Still neat!

Anyways even if you hadn’t told me Yngwie was the guitarist I’m fairly confident I would’ve figured it out, since I’ve heard enough of his stuff to know his very specific style when I hear it. He does good work even if he’s a miserable person to exist around (supposedly). I think if there’s any element of this I dislike it’s the synth tone, but I mean… 1983, that’s just what synths sounded like at the time as far as I care.

Uuhh. I was expecting way worse vocals based on what I was told but these are pretty fine? Again very very 80’s but he’s got decent power behind his voice and he’s really putting his all into it too. There’s definitely cheese emanating off this entire sound but it’s not overbearing and not intentionally trying to play up goofiness either, more going for a kind of gothic sound between the chord progressions, the neoclassical guitar, the touches of organ etc.

I think it could’ve served well to be a touch shorter or a bit more guitar-oriented, but other than that I don’t really have any major complaints? It’s just a very solid song all around that does feel a bit dated but not nearly as dated as I’d expect, either, for a song almost 40 years old by this point.

Score:
(https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9k17vRM.png)



Eliminations coming tomorrow! Sleep well, everyone.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 5 Results)
Post by: Crow on August 02, 2020, 01:33:17 PM
also yes the results are technically in an order but i gotta be honest all three songs here are very different and pretty much all equally good, i could've put them in any order and have been satisfied tbh

the order literally only matters if the first two bullets both kill which just means ariich won't even have to spin, i'll just call the roulette there

now to actually record eliminations
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 5 Results)
Post by: ariich on August 02, 2020, 01:39:35 PM
now to actually record eliminations
But not tell us until tomorrow?

such cruelty

EDIT: Oh and I was originally going to send Part II which is longer and more substantial I guess, but I just thought the riffing in Part I was a lot cooler and you'd probably dig. Glad you liked it anyway!
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 5 Results)
Post by: Crow on August 02, 2020, 01:45:40 PM
yeah i'm a big fan of building up suspense
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 5 Results)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on August 02, 2020, 03:41:42 PM
Ah, I see Ariich has regifted Wretched.  :metal
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 5 Results)
Post by: Crow on August 03, 2020, 02:02:39 AM
i'm gonna post in the dead of night this time because it's actually early morning for the europes now

https://youtu.be/0EFj3eY2rCM
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 5 Results)
Post by: Evermind on August 03, 2020, 02:09:03 AM
Congrats ariich! :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 5 Results)
Post by: ariich on August 03, 2020, 02:21:18 AM
Congrats ariich! :lol
You misleading bastard. :lol

Ah well, my luck had to run out eventually - thanks for having me Cyril, was fun as always!
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 5 Results)
Post by: Elite on August 03, 2020, 02:57:30 AM
Alright, now what? :)

(Since this originally was supposed to last for 5 rounds maximum)

Glad you liked it at least enough.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (give me a bit to set up)
Post by: Crow on August 03, 2020, 03:04:31 AM
There will be at most 5 rounds, followed by a sudden death round if necessary.

just send me your best song lol. best song wins
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 5 Results)
Post by: Crow on August 04, 2020, 03:15:49 PM
still waiting on elite btw

if i don't get your entry soon i might just give stadler the win by default tbh  :corn
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 5 Results)
Post by: Elite on August 05, 2020, 01:44:37 AM
I told you I’m out camping wth limited cell phone coverage. Look at me posting now though! You’ll get yours before it’s morning where you live.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 5 Results)
Post by: Elite on August 05, 2020, 03:49:09 AM
I have sent!
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 5 Results)
Post by: Crow on August 05, 2020, 03:12:31 PM
yes i will do first listens tonight both submissions look fine
probably no impressions for this round btw, and no scores either idc
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 5 Results)
Post by: Elite on August 05, 2020, 03:16:23 PM
I think Stadler and I sent something completely different :)
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 5 Results)
Post by: Crow on August 06, 2020, 12:42:04 AM
^not wrong

here's first impressions:

1. this song is better than Stadler's song

2. this song is better than Elite's song
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 5 Results)
Post by: Elite on August 06, 2020, 01:43:03 AM
uuuh

we both sent our best track yet?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 5 Results)
Post by: Crow on August 06, 2020, 02:13:43 AM
no
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 5 Results)
Post by: Elite on August 06, 2020, 04:25:13 AM
You’re comparing it to previous rounds?

They’re ‘better’ in some specific sort of way?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 5 Results)
Post by: Stadler on August 06, 2020, 07:26:31 AM
I think he said "Stadler won". At least that's what I heard.   :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 5 Results)
Post by: ariich on August 06, 2020, 08:38:26 AM
"Elite's song" could refer to Overhaul, in which case Elite would be the winner.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 5 Results)
Post by: Elite on August 07, 2020, 02:19:42 PM
More impressions?

What songs did we (Stadler, mine for everyone else) actually send?
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 5 Results)
Post by: Crow on August 07, 2020, 02:31:03 PM
elite sent a 14 minute black metal song, stadler sent classic hard rock
i'm gonna keep the rest of the details until results
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 5 Results)
Post by: Elite on August 07, 2020, 02:49:05 PM
:lol

okay :)
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Round 5 Results)
Post by: Crow on August 09, 2020, 11:10:55 PM
Final Round Results
Final Round Playlist (https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6IqdAJSjMCylH0R4zeKfkb)

Stadler: Rainbow – Fire Dance

First Impressions:
This song is better than Stadler's song.

Final Thoughts:
I totally get where you’re coming from with this one given how relatively well Alcatrazz did last round, this is pretty much a continuation in the similar vein, or at least in the guitar work and  general hard rock/heavy metal style I hear the similarities. Though this one is a lot more uptempo.

I think a consistent issue I have listening to this is that the bass is both really loud and yet hard to actually hear. The entire song seems swamped in a layer of reverberating bass that drowns out the guitars and vocals a lot of the time yet I could hardly tell you what the bass is actually playing, so it’s almost like there’s just a constant loud, low hum throughout the song. I don’t like how it sounds, essentially.

In all other aspects this song is… fine. I’m not as hot on these vocals as the last song, the dude sounds like he’s really struggling to emote and only barely hitting his mark, but it’s better than missing it entirely I suppose. The guitar lines are noodly and pretty catchy but it feels like there’s really just one line that keeps repeating with minor variations. All the solos throughout are pretty standard though pretty fun too.

I dunno, my biggest issue with this is that the things I like about it were done better in your previous submission, and unfortunately the submission this reminds me of the most out of all of yours is the G/Z/R track I wasn’t too keen on, though this is a step above that one for sure. I don’t really mind this but I’d have a hard time saying it’s a song I’m going to remember much of either.



Elite: Eldamar – Spirit of the North

First Impressions:
This song is better than Elite’s song.

Final Thoughts:
This is a black metal act that seems to have a bit of a confused identity. The first thing in the song is spacey synths that make me expect some kind of similarly spacey black metal sound… which, they do deliver to an extent, my first impression on listening to this was “oh, they sound kinda Midnight Odyssey-ish” but then that gives way to more obvious folk metal sounds using that same spacey texture and I’m left wondering if they really knew what they wanted to do at all?

Like, okay, comparing it to Midnight Odyssey suggests that I would like how this sounds. And I do! I just don’t think this does a ton with it? The vast majority of this song seems like it’s driven by one of the two different synth leads that repeat throughout, with the occasional riff-driven moment to break things up, but it never feels like it’s going anywhere, just cycling through different moods without building or transitioning well. It’s enjoyable music but not especially strong as a song and there’s definitely not enough substance to sustain 15 minutes here.

I also wish it got more intense more often? Part of the appeal of the best of black metal is the roaring, blast-beat and tremolo driven peaks and this pretty consistently stays mellow and slow-paced – there’s the occasional shift to a triplet feel but even then it’s not a very uptempo triplet feel. And it doesn’t really “end” so much as just… unceremoniously fade out. It kind of reminds me of the basic, repetitive post-rock I wrote in guitar pro a long while back. It’s almost black metal by numbers in a way.

For as much song as there is here I really don’t feel like I have a ton to say about it. It’s the kind of black metal where I’d listen to it once and enjoy it well enough but not really feel inclined to revisit it ever again. And yeah, I don’t really plan to follow up on the full album of this, I’ve got plenty of better black metal to choose from already, but this is like… fine enough for what it is.



Final Results & Winner

So it’s pretty obvious  that I’m pretty lukewarm on both of these – one of them doesn’t quite come together on sound and the other goes on way too long for how little substance it has – keeping in the tradition of underwhelming final rounds for my roulettes, I suppose!

But at the end of the day it’s pretty easy for me to pick between these two all the same, even without scoring. The song that at least works on sound for me is preferable to the one that doesn’t, which means the winner is…



(dramatic pause)



(keep scrolling)



(this is the last stopgap, I promise)



Elite!

Congrats! Stadler is now dead, also. You shot him with your own hands.  Good work. I hope your bloody victory was worth all this carnage.



Anyways I’ll probably start going through the albums I want to check out from this roulette in the next weeks and post first impressions on those. Not a huge number of them this time but this was a fairly lax and short roulette from my end so I’m cool with that.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Final Shootout)
Post by: Elite on August 10, 2020, 04:22:05 AM
Thanks for running this!
Still on holiday, so posting from a phone, but I want to commend you for your write-ups; they’re very well written and thorough.

I think that despite you not really liking this track, you might actually enjoy the rest of the album. I sent it because I thought it had some vague similarities to that Spectral Lore track you sent me once, but I must admit I’m not too familiar with that one.


Hurray though! :partyinpartyinyeah:
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Final Shootout)
Post by: Stadler on August 10, 2020, 07:32:28 AM
Good one, Elite!   


Cyril, would the other song have done any better?

(For the rest of you, I have a rule: go with your first instinct.  I almost always follow that in my life.  Here, I had a song, I was committed, I wrote the submittal... and bailed at the last minute.   I'm more interested in testing my gut than comparing actual artists.)
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Final Shootout)
Post by: Crow on August 10, 2020, 11:03:56 AM
i didn't listen to the alternate songs either of you sent but i'll prob check them out
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Final Shootout)
Post by: Crow on August 15, 2020, 07:13:33 PM
(https://img.discogs.com/hPXVUHJV_0-MVr2OUbaxFshq_2s=/fit-in/600x600/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-1979427-1449890405-7216.jpeg.jpg)

(Gospel - The Moon is a Dead World)

Unsurprisingly, this is super cool. It's also very dense and complex and I definitely am a bit overwhelmed on first listen but they have a great sound, a lot of impressive playing, and riffs and melodies for days. Remains to be seen just how much this will stick with me but I'm pretty much already dead set on picking up a copy of this.

Also yes only just starting on these, there will be hopefully a lot more in the coming week or two. First impression-style of course.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: Sacul on August 15, 2020, 07:48:26 PM
Yeah it's really a bit of a mess but they pack so many good ideas and intensity in such a wild debut. Shame they broke up after it.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: Crow on August 16, 2020, 09:11:24 PM
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81H3tvTlw6L._SL1500_.jpg)

(Steve Vai - Sex & Religion)

i didn't quite know what to expect here based on just the song i was sent and... well, a lot of it is more "normal" than that one but it really is just a slightly more hard-rock oriented version of devin's 90's output (with vai on guitar ofc). kinda interesting to see how this influenced his early solo albums for sure and i'm at least curious enough to want to revisit it but about half of it didn't really do much for me at all
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: Crow on August 18, 2020, 02:06:30 PM
(https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a4076983121_10.jpg)

(The Arusha Accord - Juracan)

It's really hard to pin down what their sound -is- honestly. There's some prog metal in here and some extreme metal and some hardcore elements too and it's all kind of all over the place. It's also a 23 minute EP but I'm probably gonna check out their 2011 album too? I dunno. This is cool but it's not cool enough to make me want to revisit it due to its brief length. I like albums, man.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: Crow on August 19, 2020, 02:53:45 PM
(https://www.progarchives.com/progressive_rock_discography_covers/2216/cover_1230147122016_r.jpg)

this one i kinda had lowered patience for because i know i've tried to get into it before but... that production is just a huge turn-off for me, it's a bigger problem on other songs than it is on the one i was sent at least but still... i stopped after track 3 because i've been send 4 & 5 in roulettes before and the first three tracks were enough to convince me i didn't need to finish it anyways, oh well
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: The Walrus on August 19, 2020, 02:58:24 PM
Holy shit I haven't heard that album since high school. Not a bad record tbh
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: Crow on August 19, 2020, 03:35:30 PM
(https://shockwavemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/The_Future_cover.jpg)

not surprised but this isn't doing a ton for me on first listen, though there's interesting moments throughout. but, given my reaction to the song in question, i want to give this one at least a little room to grow on me still. some of the more -core-y bits don't quite work for me (thought we agreed pinch harmonics were uncool a decade ago, and the vocals will still take some time to get used to) and the spoken word interludes feel kind of unnecessary (though i've heard worse?) but it's overall... fine
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on August 19, 2020, 03:43:09 PM
Have you heard the first SikTh album? It's way more interesting than this one.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: Crow on August 19, 2020, 04:17:35 PM
i have, and it is, and i didn't like it
i've tried listening to the second one too and hated it iirc
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: ariich on August 20, 2020, 01:37:42 AM
More interesting =/= better.

The latest album is their most straightforward really, but also their most melodic and enjoyable IMO. Definitely worth another listen or two but I imagine there'll be at least some songs that still don't do it for you.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on August 20, 2020, 07:29:13 AM
More interesting =/= better.

Not always, but in this case, yes. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: Stadler on August 20, 2020, 08:02:26 AM
That's a cool cover, though.  No two ways about it.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: Crow on August 21, 2020, 12:08:42 AM
(https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a1366592262_5.jpg)

honestly i don't know why this was on my listen list considering i only even gave the song the score i did because of its strong ending i only listen up through fall of logic because no i am not listening to 40 more minutes of this. this is just the kind of djent-prog that i literally lack the capacity to enjoy anymore. i have no energy left for this. never will have it again. oh well
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: Crow on August 22, 2020, 01:22:14 AM
(https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a0254132452_10.jpg)

kind of in that weird awkward spot between "i want to listen to this again" and "i know for a fact there's no way i'd want to listen to this many more times/buy this". it's uhh. just very solid but unspectacular prog metal with a death metal finish. not doing anything i couldn't get from other bands and the vocals are kind of subpar but all the same it's enjoyable, though not much else
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: Crow on August 22, 2020, 01:14:57 PM
(https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a0532705310_10.jpg)

well i don't think the rest of the album quite lives up to the first song here - nothing that's as accessible or instantly memorable, though there's still a lot here i like and i definitely want to listen to this again. uhh. the middle was probably the weakest stretch, a lot of short, aggressive songs that feel almost unfinished. the slower ending was maybe a bit anticlimactic too but i did like the song. dunno, i want to like this a bit more than i do
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: Crow on August 22, 2020, 11:24:17 PM
(https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a2968450839_10.jpg)
(Blaze of Sorrow - Absentia)

my impression on the song i sent is basically applicable to the whole album. totally solid. some nice lead guitar work. nothing about it really stands out otherwise though. it's not too long or boring, i get a decent amount of enjoyment from the music i hear, but it's completely lacking in any special qualities and doesn't even really feel like it executes especially well on the sound it's going for, which is already not a sound i'm that enthused about to begin with. perfectly fine
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: Crow on August 23, 2020, 11:50:39 AM
(https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a2883884075_5.jpg)

honestly it just seems like it's taking standard tropes from symphonic metal, djent, and prog metal, and just mashing them all together in the most logical and standard sound at the midpoint of the three. which is to say it's totally fine but lacking in any real surprises and considering i only find one of those three particularly compelling anymore i didn't have the patience to sit thru the last track of this after like 40 minutes of "yeah okay it's fine". nothing wrong with it tho if it's your thing
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: Elite on August 23, 2020, 12:21:01 PM
Yeah, I listened to this one once in the car and thought it was alright. I'm sure there's people out there who will enjoy this way more than we do :)
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: Crow on August 23, 2020, 12:57:58 PM
(https://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/thecontortionist.jpg)

(The Contortionist - Clairvoyant)

i get why i wasn't into this at the time because it honestly isn't even a metal album. there's metal songs but like. only a few and the metal is never the focus, it's more on the atmosphere and the vibe, the layers of synth texture and nonstandard, watery grooves. it's barely even a songs album as i can't really imagine listening to any of these tracks out of context but the end-to-end experience is actually very enjoyable and i'm glad i'm circling back on this one, i dig it

i only have 3 albums left after this btw, round 1 had a ton of albums i wanted to check out, then rounds 2 onwards... didn't (admittedly because a lot of people got eliminated in round 2, but)
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: Elite on August 23, 2020, 01:00:31 PM
Glad you enjoyed that. It's a good album, but arguably not really all that metal indeed.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: Crow on August 23, 2020, 08:14:17 PM
(https://images.genius.com/1120c8198ae5afef9c4ab0f915b4f355.1000x1000x1.jpg)

well on the whole this leans more towards metalcore (and like, cringy edgelord metalcore) more than post-hardcore but the post-hardcore tracks at least are nice? I dunno I didn't finish this especially with how unnecessarily long it is for the genre I just didn't have the patience to sit through more brocore just for the decent but unexceptional melodic stuff
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on August 23, 2020, 08:16:28 PM
Hey you should check out that song I sent for round 2 before I got eliminated. Or actually check out the album. :corn
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: Crow on August 23, 2020, 09:20:20 PM
stuff that was sent in the roulette gets priority over stuff that was not sent in the roulette, hence why i haven't checked out that, or the other stuff elite and stadler sent in the final round

i also need to do buddy's post-roulette EP from like a billion years ago but the king gizzard on it has made me keep putting it off
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: Crow on August 23, 2020, 11:07:35 PM
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71NYhKoSaoL._SL1200_.jpg)

this album comes in three parts: 1. standard and kind of unimpressive tech death 2. three instrumental tracks in the middle that are all pretty cool 3. see 1 but the last track is at least kind of solid. seems like i'm just not for tech death if it's not at least ambitious like persefone, warforged, and mithras are at their best. ohwell
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: Crow on August 24, 2020, 01:05:21 AM
(https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a0516982036_10.jpg)

the music on this is consistently solid (albeit a bit monotonous and could use a bit more edge) but those vocals are just so dang underweight. i get the shoegaze-y vibe they're going for but man if the plot in you is pushing too far in a -core direction this is not pushing far enough imo. i did try to listen to this one last year and felt mostly the same about it iirc. there were occasional neat moments but not enough to make me want to revisit it

uh anyways i think that's all the albums i wanted to check out from the submissions in the roulette i'll look at the rest of the stuff i was sent tomorrow probably
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: Elite on August 24, 2020, 02:46:11 AM
I feel like the Brutus album achieves what they try to achieve; the same sound throughout, brought to the listener by creative song-writing. Considering they're a trio and the singer is also the drummer, what they do is quite impressive. The album doesn't hold a lot of replay value for me either, to be honest, but I find Sugar Dragon in particular to be a very compelling and unique song.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: ariich on August 24, 2020, 04:57:23 AM
Yeah I wondered if you might find The Plot In You a bit metalcore-y for your tastes - I think that's a great album but I understand why you'd not be so keen on it other than some of the less metalcore tracks.

As I was mostly sending you new discoveries from my own roulette, I haven't actually heard a whole album by Mutoid Man or Wretched yet so you're ahead of me on those. :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on August 24, 2020, 10:28:31 AM
i also need to do buddy's post-roulette EP from like a billion years ago but the king gizzard on it has made me keep putting it off

If you were able to sit through 35 minutes of their thrash metal album you can sit through 10 minutes of their prog rock album. :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: Crow on August 24, 2020, 11:06:56 AM
Stadlite Roundup

I'm just gonna keep updating this for brief first impressions on the songs Stadler and Elite sent because Why Not

Soundgarden - Searching With My Good Eye Closed
the intro was a bit silly and i didn't dig it but the rest of this is... pretty solid. decent core riff, vocals are not exactly my style but he puts enough emotion into them that it's fine, there's some good lead guitar work, i do think it goes on a bit long for the amount of substance it feels like it has and i'm not especially inclined to return to it & i've heard better soundgarden songs before too (this might be among the least interesting i've heard from them tbh) but it's alright

In the Woods... - Empty Streets

familiar with this band too, have Pure from them and I know I definitely listened to this one at some point... the first, more doom metal half of this is okay but it's the kind of thing from them that never did a ton for me in the first place, the back half is a lot more solid, good guitar tone and intensity here even if it doesn't especially stand out. also good moments of lead guitar from time to time which is one thing i know them for. i don't think this is gonna convince me to check them out further but i'd say i do like it more than the song you actually sent me lol

Heretoir - To Follow the Sun

and a band that was sent to me before in my album roulette that ended up losing the roulette, nice. i'm sitting here listening to this and thinking... wow, this sure is 100% texture 0% melody. 0% intensity too it's way too slow-paced to work for me as black metal. and the texture isn't even that great, save for some moments in the more ambient/percussion-less bits where it becomes more like a drone song than anything. but uhh yeah... it's not doing much for me overall & the things it does well i can get from many other bands

Hanging Garden - Borrowed Eyes

Yeah this definitely seems to align more with a post/sludge metal sound and I guess by that metric it sure is one. I uhh. Don't really have a ton to say about this because this kind of non-atmospheric post-metal I find just never does much for me even if it's not, bad, either? I sort of zoned out in the middle despite it being like 4 minutes long

October Tide - Of Wounds to Come

Another entry in the "doomy black metal" genre and it's... perfectly fine! Not as dynamic as the In the Woods song and I don't think it held my interest for its entire runtime but I didn't mind it at all either. I dunno, can't think of much else to say on this one.

Trepalium - Moonshine Limbo

Wait so you're telling me all this time you had something this fun and striking tucked away in your back pocket and just didn't send it? Why?  :lol This is the kind of unique and enjoyable stuff I wanna hear, even if maybe an entire album of it might get tedious? Possibly? Who knows but like, as just a song, this is like Diablo Swing Orchestra's evil twin and I'm totally on board with that.

Victoria - Kepler

Well this is, from what I can tell, Animals as Leaders related and yeah it kinda shows. There isn't a djent lean to this, at least in terms of actual tone, but it's got that math metal/light jazzy feel to it all the same. I do think it also falls into the same trap of "showy technicality in favor of cohesive songwriting" but it's at least somewhat interesting the whole way through? I definitely feel like an entire album of this would get on my nerves though. Where are the melodies, the hooks, the emotions? More enjoyable than a lot of the doomy/sludgy stuff here though regardless.

in a perfect world where both participants sent the best song they had to offer, I think it'd be Fire Dance vs. Moonshine Limbo which would have much more easily gone to the latter anyways. I'm probably gonna check out that Trepalium al- oh it's an EP, but they have a 2020 al- THE ALBUM IS SHORTER THAN THE EP WHAT uhh. okay. I'll figure out something to check out from them. The rest none of them are really doing enough for me to want to bother.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: Crow on August 24, 2020, 11:09:07 AM
oh btw skipping the Lantlos song and the second Heretoir song on the playlist as I know both albums already so there's only actually like 5 songs to go but w/e

edit: and the Les Discrets song too, this is explicitly on my "songs sent in previous roulettes" list  :lol
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on August 25, 2020, 08:22:10 PM
I feel like the Brutus album achieves what they try to achieve; the same sound throughout, brought to the listener by creative song-writing. Considering they're a trio and the singer is also the drummer, what they do is quite impressive. The album doesn't hold a lot of replay value for me either, to be honest, but I find Sugar Dragon in particular to be a very compelling and unique song.

Funny, I think I probably like this even more than you do. :lol  It's a really unique sound and I've been listening to the whole album a lot lately.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: Crow on August 26, 2020, 08:36:05 PM
buddy's EP thing from like twenty years ago (https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7cVY9q5g7PlMiySs9cD1xi?si=hbjAkUryToWqklD5wWLnnw)

i sort of get where you're going with the arc of this but weirdly i have mixed opinions on pretty much every song here, at least on first listen (and i don't think i'll revisit either, so)

cornflake has some nice grooves but it's a style i can really only get behind in moderation (which thankfully there kind of is), the king gizzard song is too long even though it has some cool ideas but it got really repetitive for me, the phideaux song has its moments but the neo prog-isms are kind of a turn off, dislocated felt like the base to a better song that was missing something (vocals? leads? i dunno it felt like background music for the most part) and the last song had some nice build to it but felt like it ended really anticlimactically and didn't have much to offer besides being kinda pretty. there's also very distinctly two halves here where the first two tracks are "grooves" and the rest are "feels" and i guess that's fine and the phideaux song is maybe a middle ground in between the two really but anyways. i dunno, this is all pretty fine stuff organized in a pretty satisfying way that i just don't have a ton of interest in, that's really all there is to it
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: Crow on August 26, 2020, 09:07:45 PM
Tchornobog - Self- Titled

man i usually trust your tastes but you should know this is the kind of dissonant death metal stuff that just does nothing for me. like okay i guess there's -some- black metal here too but it's more death than not and the texture sounds like crap and the riffs and all just aren't doing anything for me. i stubbornly sat through half of it waiting for it to get good and it just never did.
Title: Re: Cyril's Lead-Filled Roulette! (Post-Roulette)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on August 26, 2020, 09:50:16 PM
Hmm, bummer.