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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Fritzinger on June 03, 2020, 09:06:25 AM
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Apparently, JP's new album will finally come out this fall and it will be entitled Terminal Velocity!
https://www.facebook.com/johnpetrucciFB/videos/256392258902668/
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Fuck yeah! :metal :metal :metal
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Any idea who his band is?
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The most recent G3, he had Larue and Mangini. That seems like the most likely to me.
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The most recent G3, he had Larue and Mangini. That seems like the most likely to me.
I'd be happy if it were them and I'd likely buy it instantly if it were them. (I always liked Dave Larue with Steve Morse and Mike as well, of course) Nonetheless, I'm equally (or probably more hehe) excited about DT15 and Mike's solo album
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Any chance the drummer is a man with the last name of Portnoy?
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Love it! Can't wait! :metal
Distance Over Time => Terminal Velocity :facepalm:
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The most recent G3, he had Larue and Mangini. That seems like the most likely to me.
Maybe, but maybe not. MP was the drummer in his band until he left DT, but he didn't play on Suspended Animation. IIRC, it was because JP wanted to keep his solo album separate from DT. So he was fine with having Dave LaRue on it, but not MP. I wouldn't be surprised if he opted to use Dave DiCenso again or another drummer, for the same reason.
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Love it! Can't wait! :metal
Distance Over Time => Terminal Velocity :facepalm:
Whoa, GOOD CATCH! :lol
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Love it! Can't wait! :metal
Distance Over Time => Terminal Velocity :facepalm:
Whoa, GOOD CATCH! :lol
Wasn't the working title of DOT called Terminal Velocity?
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:metal :metal :metal
A lot of new music being announced for the fall/early next year. Very Excited.
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John always said he just needed to find the time to record it. I guess quarantine did the trick.
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Love it! Can't wait! :metal
Distance Over Time => Terminal Velocity :facepalm:
Whoa, GOOD CATCH! :lol
Wasn't the working title of DOT called Terminal Velocity?
no, just Velocity actually (according to some interview with James and JP I can't source now (paging Scotty :D ), which IMHO might have been a good title as well, seeing as how quickly they wrote the album (18 days)
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This is finally happening! All it took was 15 years and a global pandemic :lol
I would expect the band to be Petrucci/LaRue/Mangini, but you never know.
I'm really excited about this :metal :metal :metal
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I know it’s still very soon, but does anyone knows if it’s all new material or stuff he already had(and has played live already)?
Would love to hear a studio version of Glassy Eyed Zombie or Wrath of the Amazons.
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I know it’s still very soon, but does anyone knows if it’s all new material or stuff he already had(and has played live already)?
Would love to hear a studio version of Glassy Eyed Zombie or Wrath of the Amazons.
I'd bet we'll get studio versions of Cloud Ten/The Happy Song, Glassy-Eyed Zombies and Zero Tolerance. Wrath of the Amazons is a cover, so I'm not so sure it makes it into the album, but I'd love it. There's also a very old instrumental he used to play in the 90s called Gemini that I hope he does a proper version of, but I don't think it'll ever happen :lol
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Gemini would be sweet! I remember seeing a guy who covered it on YouTube a few years ago.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XPnn_b3ASvk
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I know it’s still very soon, but does anyone knows if it’s all new material or stuff he already had(and has played live already)?
Would love to hear a studio version of Glassy Eyed Zombie or Wrath of the Amazons.
I'd bet we'll get studio versions of Cloud Ten/The Happy Song, Glassy-Eyed Zombies and Zero Tolerance. Wrath of the Amazons is a cover, so I'm not so sure it makes it into the album, but I'd love it. There's also a very old instrumental he used to play in the 90s called Gemini that I hope he does a proper version of, but I don't think it'll ever happen :lol
Word.... :metal
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I know it’s still very soon, but does anyone knows if it’s all new material or stuff he already had(and has played live already)?
Would love to hear a studio version of Glassy Eyed Zombie or Wrath of the Amazons.
Not sure about Wrath of the Amazons, but I would imagine everything else will probably be on the album. As I mentioned in the thread in the general music discussion part of the forum, JP even included Lost Without You on Suspended Animation, which was originally a piece he used as his guitar spot during DT's tour in 1995. Also, the album featured all 4 of the originals he had been performing on G3 tours since 2001. So it's a pretty safe bet that all the originals will probably appear on TV.
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I would love Wrath to be on there. But I have no idea whether he could (or wants to) jump through the hoops to get whatever permission he needs.
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Everyone knows i'm not the biggest Portnoy fanboy but it would be cool to have him drum on the new Petrucci album. I do miss his playing in DT. Just not his personality.
HOWEVER I wouldn't want all the MP fans claiming how it "proves" MP is "obviously" coming back to DT.
So for that reason - I hope it's not :)
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Super exciting to get new material!
Gotta say though...”Terminal Velocity“ has got to be the most obvious/cliche title for a solo shred album. :lol
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I. Can't. Wait! Very excited for this. I don't care about the name or the other band members, I just want a new JP solo album!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Love it! Can't wait! :metal
Distance Over Time => Terminal Velocity :facepalm:
What if this is a clue as to what the live release is going to be called?
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Gemini would be sweet! I remember seeing a guy who covered it on YouTube a few years ago.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XPnn_b3ASvk
Yeah! That guy has uploaded a lot of great JP covers :metal
Btw, Bosk or any of the mods, could you please combine both threads into one? It's a bit confusing to have two threads about the same thing :laugh:
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I think JP has something related to speed these last years, in two years they release "red goes faster" or "need for speed" ? :D
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My guess is that the title is a tongue-in-cheek reference to the 'kill yourself' meme born of Rock Discipline.
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I wouldn't be surprised if he opted to use Dave DiCenso again
Would be cool. DiCenso is a phenomenal drummer (just listen to Hiromi's debut or watch that insane YouTube video of him going off at a Two Ton Shoe gig). Though he played like he was told to just mimic the programmed drums from the demo tracks on Suspended Animation. If JP works with him again, I sure hope he lets him off the leash a bit more.
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Nice! When do preorders open?
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We have two threads on this album, this one and one in the General Music Discussions. Not sure where it belongs, but maybe we can combine them into one?
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Yeah, any admin who's got the urge to merge?
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Distance Over Time was released on February 22nd 2019.
By the time Terminal Velocity comes out it'll be 18 months ago.
My guess for the DT15 timeline is this :
October 2020 ish : Terminal Velocity
April / May 2021 - DT get together at DT HQ to start writing / recording DT15
June - Album is tracked. July - Album is mastered and promo begins.
September 2021 : DT15.
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First thing that came to mind when I saw the title was Suspended Animation, it just has the same vibe and ring to it, for me.
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Official album cover :metal
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LOVE IT
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Such a sick cover. Actually kinda reminds me of the artwork for the first Flying Colors album which is cool. Both some of my favorite artwork seen on a DT related project.
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That is hawt.
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Really excited to follow this release. A high school friend's burned copy of Suspended Animation was my first exposure to the world of DT, so I'll be interested in seeing what his approach is 14+ years later.
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All good, but shouldn't this be in GMD?
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There is a thread there also. This announcement is just so awesome it couldn't help be being two threads :biggrin:
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There is a thread there also. This announcement is just so awesome it couldn't help be being two threads :biggrin:
... and the mods won't merge them :P
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There is a thread there also. This announcement is just so awesome it couldn't help be being two threads :biggrin:
... and the mods won't merge them :P
That too.
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Btw, am I the only one who is not really blown away by the cover? I don't know, it's just your typical digital/computer stuff. It does look kinda cool yeah, but I feel like that's its only purpose... like the artist thought "I have to make something that looks cool". Also I feel like I have seen this cover three hundred times already. Sorry to be a bummer.
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At least it's not Hugh Syme. .
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Btw, am I the only one who is not really blown away by the cover? I don't know, it's just your typical digital/computer stuff. It does look kinda cool yeah, but I feel like that's its only purpose... like the artist thought "I have to make something that looks cool". Also I feel like I have seen this cover three hundred times already. Sorry to be a bummer.
You're not the only one. It's fine for what it is, especially as a companion cover to Suspended Animation.
But the holyshitmygodthatisawesome reaction seems a bit over the top.
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I really like it tbh. If I saw that in the music store and had no idea of who this Petrucci guy is, I would still consider buying it based on the cover.
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Seems kind of a generic cover to me.
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JP's new album title kind of reminds me of that song by Megadeth called High Speed Dirt. :lol
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I'm not too familiar with how these promotional campaigns work and we don't know if JP is working with a label or not, but I'm really hoping we get something else from the album soon. Some of the things to wait for in the following days/weeks are the tracklist, release date, lineup and first single. I'm ready :metal
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Constant motion, distance over time, terminal velocity...We kind of get what JP likes :D
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Constant motion, distance over time, terminal velocity...We kind of get what JP likes :D
:lol To be fair, Constant Motion was an MP title (he even had a DVD named like that before the song).
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JOHN PETRUCCI - TERMINAL VELOCITY
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John Petrucci - Guitar
Dave LaRue - Bass
Mike Portnoy - Drums
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TERMINAL VELOCITY
THE ODDFATHER
HAPPY SONG
GEMINI
OUT OF THE BLUE
GLASSY-EYED ZOMBIES
THE WAY THINGS FALL
SNAKE IN MY BOOT
TEMPLE OF CIRCADIA
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haha, The Oddfather :D (thanks for a much-needed laugh JP)
(although having Porty on it is a deal-breaker for me, why not MM? Seriously. As long as he won't ever rejoin DT...And yes, I'm sure quite a few of us here welcome MP's involvement on the album. Carry on then.)
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Where is Zero Tolerance?
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Was never expecting for MP to drum with JP. I'm excited about this but I'm also a little bit disappointed. I thought maybe Thomas Lang or even Marco Minnemann would been good choices. Anyways, really stoked for this solo album! Loved SA.
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Cool to see JP and MP working together again.
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Cool to see JP and MP working together again.
I agree, it looks like they have finished buring the axe. I'm very glad.
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Where is Zero Tolerance?
I'm hoping it's in there but with a different name, same as "Happy Song" which used to be "Cloud Ten".
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Which thread is better, this one or the one in General Music?
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Excited to see Portnoy as the drummer.
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Portnoy as the drummer?!
Okay JP, you have my attention now. Well played.
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I don't see why people would have an issue with MP on the album. It kinda makes sense to me.
Just like it would make sense to see MP on a JR solo album.
I think MP fits with the JP's solo style better than MM.
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Cool to see JP and MP working together again.
I agree, it looks like they have finished buring the axe. I'm very glad.
My take on this.
I'm happy for MP and JP...
But I can already see all the MP warriors claiming that this means Mangini is getting the boot and MP is 'definitely' back in DT.
But it would be easier to swallow if MP hadn't been such a cry baby in the years following the split. If he was upfront about it and was like " yeah I wanted my cake and to eat it too. My bad "..
Then fair enough.
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I don't see why people would have an issue with MP on the album. It kinda makes sense to me.
Just like it would make sense to see MP on a JR solo album.
I think MP fits with the JP's solo style better than MM.
Do people really have an issue?
And I agree, JP and MP have a chemistry that’s hard to deny. They’ve always seemed like they were cut from the same cloth.
It will be interesting to see how MP sounds on a “modern” Petrucci album. Will the drums sounds be good? How much flair will MP bring to the table? or did Petrucci write most of the drum parts already?
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If the drums sound like they did on BC&SL or even Octavarium - people are gonna whinge even more about MMs drum sounds in DT - even though
The Astonishing Drums sounded fine to me and Distance Over Time sounded even better. :dunno:
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Cool to see JP and MP working together again.
I agree, it looks like they have finished buring the axe. I'm very glad.
My take on this.
I'm happy for MP and JP...
But I can already see all the MP warriors claiming that this means Mangini is getting the boot and MP is 'definitely' back in DT.
But it would be easier to swallow if MP hadn't been such a cry baby in the years following the split. If he was upfront about it and was like " yeah I wanted my cake and to eat it too. My bad "..
Then fair enough.
Maybe, but I took it as a potential positive for another LTE album in the future. I'm really glad to see this reunion of two fantastic musicians but I DO NOT want MP back in DT. I really like MM's style and personality.
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Maybe, but I took it as a potential positive for another LTE album in the future. I'm really glad to see this reunion of two fantastic musicians but I DO NOT want MP back in DT. I really like MM's style and personality.
That's my take as well, this should be a good album and I'm happy to see them play together but I hope MM is the drummer of DT until they decide to call it a day.
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Disregard
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haha, The Oddfather :D (thanks for a much-needed laugh JP)
(although having Porty on it is a deal-breaker for me, why not MM? Seriously. As long as he won't ever rejoin DT...And yes, I'm sure quite a few of us here welcome MP's involvement on the album. Carry on then.)
Not sure that I’m reading this correctly. Are you saying that you won’t listen to John Petrucci’s instrumental solo guitar record purely because you don’t like the drummer. Is it that important who the other musicians are? Most people buying this are buying it to hear Petrucci play guitar surely.
That being said, for long time fans of Dream Theater, it’s cool to see Petrucci and Portnoy playing together again.
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I'm glad to see JP and MP back working together. I just feel awkward thinking about the conversation with MM - "don't worry , we have no intention..............." In MM's shoes my mind would immediately wander to all the people who have heard the same line in the past.
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Unless Mangini chooses to leave for his own reasons, I don't see how this collaboration changes the odds of MP returning.
JP chose a non-DT drummer for his first solo album. He did the same thing here, albeit a non-current DT member.
So at the very least I don't think MM is bummed that he didn't get the gig because he wasn't expecting to.
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haha, The Oddfather :D (thanks for a much-needed laugh JP)
(although having Porty on it is a deal-breaker for me, why not MM? Seriously. As long as he won't ever rejoin DT...And yes, I'm sure quite a few of us here welcome MP's involvement on the album. Carry on then.)
I think your views on Portnoy are clear without referring to him pejoratively. You've done it a number of times now. It's a bit unnecessary, isn't it?
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haha, The Oddfather :D (thanks for a much-needed laugh JP)
(although having Porty on it is a deal-breaker for me, why not MM? Seriously. As long as he won't ever rejoin DT...And yes, I'm sure quite a few of us here welcome MP's involvement on the album. Carry on then.)
I think your views on Portnoy are clear without referring to him pejoratively. You've done it a number of times now. It's a bit unnecessary, isn't it?
I agree. (since you bolded my version of a nickname for him: it's just a way for me to distinguish him from Mike Mangini that doesn't use their respective initials, along with it being a reference to Peeves calling Harry Potter Potty and I always misuderstood that as being Porty as a child when I first read these books. That's all. Yes I do have humour. An ounce. A slightly weird sense of humour, I'll gladly give you that.) If anyone here loves MP's (see, now you can't call me out on it anymore :D ) involvement, cool. Go ahead. I'm not adamant about stifling anyone's joy. Sorry if I did. Carry on. There is one thing I'd like to mention though: I didn't think he would be involved. I don't know why, but I was as surprised about it as quite a few of us here.
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I'm so glad he picked MP for this and by no means does that diminish what MM could've brought to the table. They are both amazing drummers, but I'm just really happy to see that JP and MP are working together again on this project. I can't wait. :2metal:
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haha, The Oddfather :D (thanks for a much-needed laugh JP)
(although having Porty on it is a deal-breaker for me, why not MM? Seriously. As long as he won't ever rejoin DT...And yes, I'm sure quite a few of us here welcome MP's involvement on the album. Carry on then.)
Not sure that I’m reading this correctly. Are you saying that you won’t listen to John Petrucci’s instrumental solo guitar record purely because you don’t like the drummer. Is it that important who the other musicians are? Most people buying this are buying it to hear Petrucci play guitar surely.
That being said, for long time fans of Dream Theater, it’s cool to see Petrucci and Portnoy playing together again.
not entirely. I don't like MP as a person (I met him as a child and that wasn't something I'll ever remember fondly. I will not go into any gory details. Ever since I met him, I found it hard to listen to his playing. ) and as a player (anymore,as mentioned here. He had been a hero of mine up to that point, aged ten. As was MM, for a longer period of time already though. Even then.) That being said though, I always respected JP and I'm sure he's written some good things for the album and I probably will listen to it once it lands on Youtube. It's highly unlikely that I'll actually *buy* the album though and I'm sure MM would have been a more musical choice of player. (or Simon Phillips for that matter as well). Then again, I may be wrong about the latter part of my assumption, and I'll gladly accept to be proven wrong.
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I kind of thought that MP would be the choice. With all this talk about LTE doing something together it seemed like it would open the door for another collaboration for JP and MP.
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Has anyone considered JP asked MM first and MM turned him down since he's busy working on his own solo album right now?
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haha, The Oddfather :D (thanks for a much-needed laugh JP)
(although having Porty on it is a deal-breaker for me, why not MM? Seriously. As long as he won't ever rejoin DT...And yes, I'm sure quite a few of us here welcome MP's involvement on the album. Carry on then.)
Not sure that I’m reading this correctly. Are you saying that you won’t listen to John Petrucci’s instrumental solo guitar record purely because you don’t like the drummer. Is it that important who the other musicians are? Most people buying this are buying it to hear Petrucci play guitar surely.
That being said, for long time fans of Dream Theater, it’s cool to see Petrucci and Portnoy playing together again.
not entirely. I don't like MP as a person (I met him as a child and that wasn't something I'll ever remember fondly. I will not go into any gory details. Ever since I met him, I found it hard to listen to his playing. ) and as a player (anymore,as mentioned here. He had been a hero of mine up to that point, aged ten. As was MM, for a longer period of time already though. Even then.) That being said though, I always respected JP and I'm sure he's written some good things for the album and I probably will listen to it once it lands on Youtube. It's highly unlikely that I'll actually *buy* the album though and I'm sure MM would have been a more musical choice of player. (or Simon Phillips for that matter as well). Then again, I may be wrong about the latter part of my assumption, and I'll gladly accept to be proven wrong.
Ok, that explains things a little and why you wouldn’t wish to support his projects. I would guess he’s just a hired hand on this though so you wouldn’t really be putting money in his pocket. I do get though that, if you met someone in real life and had a bad experience, it could affect your enjoyment of their work. I just tend to class this as JP’s record and Portnoy is just a backing musician.
I will admit that it does excite me a little to see them playing together again just for nostalgic reasons even if it’s probably not a full on collaboration. I can see why you may feel differently though.
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haha, The Oddfather :D (thanks for a much-needed laugh JP)
(although having Porty on it is a deal-breaker for me, why not MM? Seriously. As long as he won't ever rejoin DT...And yes, I'm sure quite a few of us here welcome MP's involvement on the album. Carry on then.)
Not sure that I’m reading this correctly. Are you saying that you won’t listen to John Petrucci’s instrumental solo guitar record purely because you don’t like the drummer. Is it that important who the other musicians are? Most people buying this are buying it to hear Petrucci play guitar surely.
That being said, for long time fans of Dream Theater, it’s cool to see Petrucci and Portnoy playing together again.
not entirely. I don't like MP as a person (I met him as a child and that wasn't something I'll ever remember fondly. I will not go into any gory details. Ever since I met him, I found it hard to listen to his playing. ) and as a player (anymore,as mentioned here. He had been a hero of mine up to that point, aged ten. As was MM, for a longer period of time already though. Even then.) That being said though, I always respected JP and I'm sure he's written some good things for the album and I probably will listen to it once it lands on Youtube. It's highly unlikely that I'll actually *buy* the album though and I'm sure MM would have been a more musical choice of player. (or Simon Phillips for that matter as well). Then again, I may be wrong about the latter part of my assumption, and I'll gladly accept to be proven wrong.
Ok, that explains things a little and why you wouldn’t wish to support his projects. I would guess he’s just a hired hand on this though so you wouldn’t really be putting money in his pocket. I do get though that, if you met someone in real life and had a bad experience, it could affect your enjoyment of their work. I just tend to class this as JP’s record and Portnoy is just a backing musician.
I will admit that it does excite me a little to see them playing together again just for nostalgic reasons even if it’s probably not a full on collaboration. I can see why you may feel differently though.
and this is also exactly why I only listen to MM era DT ever since he came on board, not just because I like MM a lot more as a player, but also because our guys have been a lot tighter and precise as a unit (almost machined. What a relief IMHO. My first reaction after listening to ADTOE for the first time was: Finally they're sounding as good as they ever wanted.) If anyone here still likes what MP does, fine, go ahead. I had to make that drastic choice for me personally because of my experiences with MP and it was best for everyone involved. (Porty being at peace outside of DT I guess and our guys finally going from strength to strength musically and pushing the envelope more than ever since 2011)
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haha, The Oddfather :D (thanks for a much-needed laugh JP)
(although having Porty on it is a deal-breaker for me, why not MM? Seriously. As long as he won't ever rejoin DT...And yes, I'm sure quite a few of us here welcome MP's involvement on the album. Carry on then.)
Not sure that I’m reading this correctly. Are you saying that you won’t listen to John Petrucci’s instrumental solo guitar record purely because you don’t like the drummer. Is it that important who the other musicians are? Most people buying this are buying it to hear Petrucci play guitar surely.
That being said, for long time fans of Dream Theater, it’s cool to see Petrucci and Portnoy playing together again.
not entirely. I don't like MP as a person (I met him as a child and that wasn't something I'll ever remember fondly. I will not go into any gory details. Ever since I met him, I found it hard to listen to his playing. ) and as a player (anymore,as mentioned here. He had been a hero of mine up to that point, aged ten. As was MM, for a longer period of time already though. Even then.) That being said though, I always respected JP and I'm sure he's written some good things for the album and I probably will listen to it once it lands on Youtube. It's highly unlikely that I'll actually *buy* the album though and I'm sure MM would have been a more musical choice of player. (or Simon Phillips for that matter as well). Then again, I may be wrong about the latter part of my assumption, and I'll gladly accept to be proven wrong.
Ok, that explains things a little and why you wouldn’t wish to support his projects. I would guess he’s just a hired hand on this though so you wouldn’t really be putting money in his pocket. I do get though that, if you met someone in real life and had a bad experience, it could affect your enjoyment of their work. I just tend to class this as JP’s record and Portnoy is just a backing musician.
I will admit that it does excite me a little to see them playing together again just for nostalgic reasons even if it’s probably not a full on collaboration. I can see why you may feel differently though.
and this is also exactly why I only listen to MM era DT ever since he came on board, not just because I like MM a lot more as a player, but also because our guys have been a lot tighter and precise as a unit (almost machined. What a relief IMHO) If anyone here still likes what MP does, fine, go ahead. I had to make that drastic choice for me personally and I'm relieved about it.
Let's pretend for a second MP actually did end up back in DT. Would he play MM era songs? Would he start playing live to a click? Or would DT allow their stage production to go back to being shit to appease him? Would he seize control of everything again? Would the guys go out of their way to prevent him from being able to have so much control? I think there are too many touchy subjects for them to even consider letting him back in without having to sit him down and have an "intervention" style meeting. And if they did that, I don't know how MP would react to that kind of thing but I can't imagine it would be extremely positively.
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Unless Mangini chooses to leave for his own reasons, I don't see how this collaboration changes the odds of MP returning.
Yeah, I really don't see why this would even spark a debate.
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Let's pretend for a second MP actually did end up back in DT. Would he play MM era songs? Would he start playing live to a click? Or would DT allow their stage production to go back to being shit to appease him? Would he seize control of everything again? Would the guys go out of their way to prevent him from being able to have so much control? I think there are too many touchy subjects for them to even consider letting him back in without having to sit him down and have an "intervention" style meeting. And if they did that, I don't know how MP would react to that kind of thing but I can't imagine it would be extremely positively.
*If* that were to ever happen, it goes without saying that there would have to be a lot of discussion over how things would be regarding all those things that you presented - and more. Keep in mind that basically JP runs the show now - I don't really believe that all 4 guys ended up equally dividing the tasks MP used to do all on his own - could be wrong, but when you consider what happened with Ytsejam Records, which JL was going to oversee, you can see why I question how much everyone else is involved). I'm sure that while JP enjoys certain aspects of overseeing all the band's operations, he'd be more than happy to cede power to a good portion of it to MP, since MP does have a good pulse on things. But there would be other things that would probably take more time to work out, such as whether to do rotating setlists. I can imagine MP being willing to play MM-era songs, but I think he'd fight tooth and nail to avoid playing to a click track live or using taped backing vocals.
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I’m curious as to how much freedom MP had with his drumming? This was most likely written/recorded in the lockdown so I’m guessing there wasn’t a lot of in person collaboration. I’m wondering if it was like when MM joined the band where JP had already pretty much had the drum parts ‘figured’ out but was then free to add his flare and style.
Wonder if JP did the same here?
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I’m curious as to how much freedom MP had with his drumming? This was most likely written/recorded in the lockdown so I’m guessing there wasn’t a lot of in person collaboration. I’m wondering if it was like when MM joined the band where JP had already pretty much had the drum parts ‘figured’ out but was then free to add his flare and style.
Wonder if JP did the same here?
My money is on Petrucci having most of the beats laid out with Portnoy adding his own flair here and there with not a ton of collab, similar to ADTOE.
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I’m curious as to how much freedom MP had with his drumming? This was most likely written/recorded in the lockdown so I’m guessing there wasn’t a lot of in person collaboration. I’m wondering if it was like when MM joined the band where JP had already pretty much had the drum parts ‘figured’ out but was then free to add his flare and style.
Wonder if JP did the same here?
My money is on Petrucci having most of the beats laid out with Portnoy adding his own flair here and there with not a ton of collab, similar to ADTOE.
Yep, this is definitely NOT a collaboration, it's JP all the way.
I'm wondering if the "fans" will be ripping MP like they were MM on ADToE saying things like JP wrote all the drum parts and what-not or if they'll be saying how great and refreshing MP's playing is.
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While I would love MM to be on this because he always worked well in guitar albums (Vai, Into The Great Divide, Sal Difusco), he seems to be enjoying teaching drum lessons based on his social media posts.
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I'm wondering if the "fans" will be ripping MP like they were MM on ADToE saying things like JP wrote all the drum parts and what-not or if they'll be saying how great and refreshing MP's playing is.
Well they will be saying about the drums sound and how much better it is than MM's "robotic" one. And unfortunately (for MM ) they will probably be right.
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I’m curious as to how much freedom MP had with his drumming? This was most likely written/recorded in the lockdown so I’m guessing there wasn’t a lot of in person collaboration. I’m wondering if it was like when MM joined the band where JP had already pretty much had the drum parts ‘figured’ out but was then free to add his flare and style.
Yep. With the combination of this and what he did on Suspended Animation, I really wouldn't expect too much external input on the drum parts. Just remember that on his solo debut, JP used Dave DiCenso, who's a drummer who excels at playing funk and fusion and has truly insane chops...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_81IomgGEY
..., and yet the result was barely distinguishable from a good-sounding drum machine.
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haha, The Oddfather :D (thanks for a much-needed laugh JP)
(although having Porty on it is a deal-breaker for me, why not MM? Seriously. As long as he won't ever rejoin DT...And yes, I'm sure quite a few of us here welcome MP's involvement on the album. Carry on then.)
I think your views on Portnoy are clear without referring to him pejoratively. You've done it a number of times now. It's a bit unnecessary, isn't it?
I agree. (since you bolded my version of a nickname for him: it's just a way for me to distinguish him from Mike Mangini that doesn't use their respective initials, along with it being a reference to Peeves calling Harry Potter Potty and I always misuderstood that as being Porty as a child when I first read these books. That's all. Yes I do have humour. An ounce. A slightly weird sense of humour, I'll gladly give you that.) If anyone here loves MP's (see, now you can't call me out on it anymore :D ) involvement, cool. Go ahead. I'm not adamant about stifling anyone's joy. Sorry if I did. Carry on. There is one thing I'd like to mention though: I didn't think he would be involved. I don't know why, but I was as surprised about it as quite a few of us here.
Well, you don't have to call him names. You could just follow standard convention and refer to him as 'Portnoy'.
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Let's pretend for a second MP actually did end up back in DT. Would he play MM era songs? Would he start playing live to a click? Or would DT allow their stage production to go back to being shit to appease him? Would he seize control of everything again? Would the guys go out of their way to prevent him from being able to have so much control? I think there are too many touchy subjects for them to even consider letting him back in without having to sit him down and have an "intervention" style meeting. And if they did that, I don't know how MP would react to that kind of thing but I can't imagine it would be extremely positively.
*If* that were to ever happen, it goes without saying that there would have to be a lot of discussion over how things would be regarding all those things that you presented - and more. Keep in mind that basically JP runs the show now - I don't really believe that all 4 guys ended up equally dividing the tasks MP used to do all on his own - could be wrong, but when you consider what happened with Ytsejam Records, which JL was going to oversee, you can see why I question how much everyone else is involved). I'm sure that while JP enjoys certain aspects of overseeing all the band's operations, he'd be more than happy to cede power to a good portion of it to MP, since MP does have a good pulse on things. But there would be other things that would probably take more time to work out, such as whether to do rotating setlists. I can imagine MP being willing to play MM-era songs, but I think he'd fight tooth and nail to avoid playing to a click track live or using taped backing vocals.
Agree with pretty much all of this. There would definitely have to be a sit down between them all to see how they would want to proceed if a reunion was a possibility (and there’s nothing yet to suggest it is). I would strongly suspect though that they’d be fairly happy for MP to take back a lot of the responsibilities that he had just by the fact that they were happy to let him do it all before. By this I mean the non-music stuff like fan interaction, bootlegs, t-shirts, album art, arranging live albums/dvds. I think that JP has seemed to enjoy doing some of the promotional stuff though, interviews and stuff so he may like to be more involved in that than he was before Mike left.
I don’t agree that their live show was shit before, I always loved seeing DT live, they’ve always sounded great and their shows really started to look more slick and professional from TOT onwards. That being said, I’m not sure if they’d want to let Mike go crazy with rotating set lists and doing covers of full albums like he used to. It was a lot of work and maybe, at their age, they’re happier just having a settled show rather than constantly having to rehearse stuff on the fly to change up the set. We don’t really know though.
The big test would be when it came to making music. Would JP let Mike back on as a producer, would he have as much control in the writing and recording process. That would be where there may be some issues for me. A LTE album may iron some of those issues out and allow JP, JR and MP to write together again to see if they can co-exist or whether that relationship has shifted to a point where it doesn’t work anymore. For example will they resent it if he tries to take over the recording, will he resent it if he’s not given as much control as before. It would be an interesting and fairly risk free trial run to see whether DT can work. I think LTE would be a much bigger step towards a DT reunion than a JP solo album where Mike is just a JP employee.
All of this is just speculation though, things seem to be very harmonious at the moment with Mangini in the camp so this may all just be a way of them continuing a working relationship with their longtime friend whilst keeping DT as it is.
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A LTE album may iron some of those issues out and allow JP, JR and MP to write together again to see if they can co-exist or whether that relationship has shifted to a point where it doesn’t work anymore. For example will they resent it if he tries to take over the recording, will he resent it if he’s not given as much control as before. It would be an interesting and fairly risk free trial run to see whether DT can work. I think LTE would be a much bigger step towards a DT reunion than a JP solo album where Mike is just a JP employee.
Oh yeah, I agree with this.
A productive LTE 3 experience would not mean in any way that a reunion would be possible, it would just be a pre-requisite to even consider it - but a bad LTE 3 experience would be the final nail in the coffin about a potential reunion, assuming that's a coffin that even needs further nails anyway.
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Damnit! Ever since the auditions, in all these threads, I still read the initials MM as Marco Minnemann. :facepalm:
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There would definitely have to be a sit down between them all to see how they would want to proceed if a reunion was a possibility (and there’s nothing yet to suggest it is). I would strongly suspect though that they’d be fairly happy for MP to take back a lot of the responsibilities that he had just by the fact that they were happy to let him do it all before.
Yes, we have to take into consideration that the band was happily trucking along before MP rocked the boat. From what MP has said, a few personal relationships were kind of strained, but they could have been fixed instead of nuked. I don't think any of this would be an issue, they would be able to work everything out, because everything was working before, as you said. People often cite JLB's statements on the issue of his relationship with MP, but given the right incentive (keeping the band afloat and healthy), I don't doubt he'd happily make up with MP and go back to a semi-friendly professional relationship with him at the least.
The reason why people are speculating about this is because previously, DT have shown over and over again they would absolutely fire or not keep working with a guy they like, just so they could get the guy they really want. I think they've changed since these days, and that they wouldn't just fire MM in favor of MP. But there's the second problem, in that we don't know exactly how satisfied MM is with being in the band, all things considered. He's just hard to read, but he does let on that the extremely personal and particular criticism of him is bothering him, even in more recent interviews. I personally think he's happy, and that MP has a very small chance of rejoining the band in the next five years or so. But I understand why people are talking.
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Reunion?
I think the main dissenting voice (I know - irony) would be JLB and therefore I don't think it happens.
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The reason why people are speculating about this is because previously, DT have shown over and over again they would absolutely fire or not keep working with a guy they like, just so they could get the guy they really want.
Over and over again? them firing Derek over Jordan hardly qualifies as a multiple occourence ;D
I don't group in this letting Dominici go because they didn't fire him over James, they just decided they wanted someone else - and according to MP, they knew right from the start it wouldn't last - and it took them one year to find the right person.
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The reason why people are speculating about this is because previously, DT have shown over and over again they would absolutely fire or not keep working with a guy they like, just so they could get the guy they really want.
Over and over again? them firing Derek over Jordan hardly qualifies as a multiple occourence ;D
I don't group in this letting Dominici go because they didn't fire him over James, they just decided they wanted someone else - and according to MP, they knew right from the start it wouldn't last - and it took them one year to find the right person.
Jens Johansson said they practically had an agreement that he would join the band before they dropped him, then there was the business with all the singers they auditioned before James, some of which came really close to joining. Of course, that doesn't count as firing someone, but their quickness in dropping contact with band members and potential band members in not the most elegant ways is what I was talking about.
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Wow! when that Jens Johansson thing happened? back when Kevin Moore left or in 2010 after Portnoy left?
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Wow! when that Jens Johansson thing happened? back when Kevin Moore left or in 2010 after Portnoy left?
When MP left in 2010? Not sure how this could even factor in. The keyboard slot wasn't up for grabs at that point in the band's history. :lol
It was when KM first left the band, before JR was chosen to do the Concrete Forums gig in LA. Initially, JJ was given the impression - I think more by management than the band themselves - that the gig was his for the taking, and that there were just some formalities. But by the time he met up with them, JR had come onto the band's radar, and the meeting became an audition, where JR was ultimately chosen for the Concrete Forums gig and (potentially) beyond.
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Wow! when that Jens Johansson thing happened? back when Kevin Moore left or in 2010 after Portnoy left?
When MP left in 2010? Not sure how this could even factor in. The keyboard slot wasn't up for grabs at that point in the band's history. :lol
Yeah, that was totally a brain fart on my part, I don't know what possessed me to post that :lol
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JOHN PETRUCCI - TERMINAL VELOCITY
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John Petrucci - Guitar
Dave LaRue - Bass
Mike Portnoy - Drums
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TERMINAL VELOCITY
THE ODDFATHER
HAPPY SONG
GEMINI
OUT OF THE BLUE
GLASSY-EYED ZOMBIES
THE WAY THINGS FALL
SNAKE IN MY BOOT
TEMPLE OF CIRCADIA
Was going to get this eventually anyway. But it might have to be a priority now.
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Let's pretend for a second MP actually did end up back in DT. Would he play MM era songs? Would he start playing live to a click? Or would DT allow their stage production to go back to being shit to appease him? Would he seize control of everything again? Would the guys go out of their way to prevent him from being able to have so much control? I think there are too many touchy subjects for them to even consider letting him back in without having to sit him down and have an "intervention" style meeting. And if they did that, I don't know how MP would react to that kind of thing but I can't imagine it would be extremely positively.
*If* that were to ever happen, it goes without saying that there would have to be a lot of discussion over how things would be regarding all those things that you presented - and more. Keep in mind that basically JP runs the show now - I don't really believe that all 4 guys ended up equally dividing the tasks MP used to do all on his own - could be wrong, but when you consider what happened with Ytsejam Records, which JL was going to oversee, you can see why I question how much everyone else is involved). I'm sure that while JP enjoys certain aspects of overseeing all the band's operations, he'd be more than happy to cede power to a good portion of it to MP, since MP does have a good pulse on things. But there would be other things that would probably take more time to work out, such as whether to do rotating setlists. I can imagine MP being willing to play MM-era songs, but I think he'd fight tooth and nail to avoid playing to a click track live or using taped backing vocals.
I don't really believe in the equal division of tasks either. ...Mostly because John Myung wants to stay as far away from much of it as possible. That's just him though. It was never going to happen. The rest of them may have had good intentions until they realized what was actually involved in the the way Mike was able to run all of those things.
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Reunion?
I think the main dissenting voice (I know - irony) would be JLB and therefore I don't think it happens.
Of course this is just nonsense talk and pure speculation to a certain degree, but just for the fun of it: could it be possible to see an scenario where MP rejoins DT and James leaves because of it? (not saying I want this to happen or anything similar, but it's interesting to think about this).
If, for whatever reason, JP and JR (or even JM) felt so strongly about wanting to have Mike back and James wouldn't take that at all, what are the cances of him leaving, and maybe even forming another band with Mangini? Things would go crazy here, that's for sure :biggrin:
And this would be more suited for the Controversial Opinions thread, but I still think another lineup change would be really interesting (though not necessarily another drummer change).
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Reunion?
I think the main dissenting voice (I know - irony) would be JLB and therefore I don't think it happens.
Of course this is just nonsense talk and pure speculation to a certain degree, but just for the fun of it: could it be possible to see an scenario where MP rejoins DT and James leaves because of it? (not saying I want this to happen or anything similar, but it's interesting to think about this).
If, for whatever reason, JP and JR (or even JM) felt so strongly about wanting to have Mike back and James wouldn't take that at all, what are the cances of him leaving, and maybe even forming another band with Mangini? Things would go crazy here, that's for sure :biggrin:
And this would be more suited for the Controversial Opinions thread, but I still think another lineup change would be really interesting (though not necessarily another drummer change).
If that happened, I would probably stop listening to any new DT albums. In my view, Labrie is essential to their sound.
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Reunion?
I think the main dissenting voice (I know - irony) would be JLB and therefore I don't think it happens.
Of course this is just nonsense talk and pure speculation to a certain degree, but just for the fun of it: could it be possible to see an scenario where MP rejoins DT and James leaves because of it? (not saying I want this to happen or anything similar, but it's interesting to think about this).
If, for whatever reason, JP and JR (or even JM) felt so strongly about wanting to have Mike back and James wouldn't take that at all, what are the cances of him leaving, and maybe even forming another band with Mangini? Things would go crazy here, that's for sure :biggrin:
And this would be more suited for the Controversial Opinions thread, but I still think another lineup change would be really interesting (though not necessarily another drummer change).
If that happened, I would probably stop listening to any new DT albums. In my view, Labrie is essential to their sound.
I’m in the same boat. Like him or hate him, JLB is almost impossible to replace. I wouldn’t STOP listening to DT but at that point they may as well just change the name.
The ONLY person who I think might have done DT songs justice would be Sebastian Bach. His voice is getting shot much like LaBrie’s now but I think he actually could have pulled it off (25 years ago).
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In a situation where MM decided to leave and the band wanted MP to rejoin, I don't think they would get MP back if that meant they would have to replace a singer. Not because he's irreplaceable (which he is), but because it wouldn't be practical to go through that. I mean, food for thought, but there were things about MP that were irreplaceable, because no one bothered or wanted to replace them - his fan communication, his archival work, the setlists, the showmanship. If for some reason they would have to go through replacing JLB tomorrow, there would be things we'd lose forever, and we'd just have to deal with that.
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In a situation where MM decided to leave and the band wanted MP to rejoin, I don't think they would get MP back if that meant they would have to replace a singer. Not because he's irreplaceable (which he is), but because it wouldn't be practical to go through that. I mean, food for thought, but there were things about MP that were irreplaceable, because no one bothered or wanted to replace them - his fan communication, his archival work, the setlists, the showmanship. If for some reason they would have to go through replacing JLB tomorrow, there would be things we'd lose forever, and we'd just have to deal with that.
I would say the only irreplaceable DT member is JP, but it's interesting that if we compare MP with JLB we find that James has already been in the band longer and is in more albums than Mike:
- MP: 25 years in DT (1985-2010) and 10 studio albums.
- JLB: 29 years in DT (1991-present) and 13 studio albums.
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At this point, I don’t any of them are replaceable. Mangini leaving and Portnoy coming back is the only thing that seems reasonable...and that’s a stretch. It’s just too late in the game for swapping people out. They’re not Yes, who has a different lineup every other year.
As for James. I don’t see how anyone can think he would be replaceable now. Portnoy is the reason I became a fan of this band. But, John Petrucci and James LaBrie are the reason I’ve been a fan for 21 years!
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Worst case scenario for me is Portnoy coming back and Labrie getting replaced.
That would be too much like Portnoy getting his way after all.
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Just wondering this as having MP on JP's album comes as a surprise. Since Suspended Animation came out in 2005 is there any chance that MP did the drum tracks before he left DT? JP has been working on his 2nd album for years and maybe the basic tracks were done and he just got around to finishing it now? It just seems odd to me that MP hasn't (unless I missed it) mentioned playing with JP "recently" as he is pretty much an open book and I haven't read anything from JP either detailing how it came to be that MP played on his new album.
I think it's great that they are playing together I was just wondering out loud.
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This is all my opinion: JP and MP have always been the core sound of DT, what made them stand apart from other bands. I've felt vocals and keys were easily replaceable in the band. To me, LTE I and II are instrumental DT and are quasi-canon. Yes, JLB was the right guy at the time, and I enjoy his work all the way until the post-Portnoy era, but I think they could have gotten away with a replacement after FII. Honestly I totally agreed with MP that they needed a break after BC&SL, regardless if it was for his own reasons or if he truly felt like the band was burning out, as much as I loved and still love BC&SL, I also sensed the band was beginning to run out of fresh ideas musically.
I enjoy SC and BC&SL, but there's an overall 'sound' or 'essence' that went missing since Octavarium, and has only popped up in select, brief moments since.
Since MP left, the last 4 DT albums have more or less felt like JLB's solo albums with Mangini, but with JP and JR taking on the much of the writing.
While some may feel MP became stale and didn't keep improving his style and chops like JP, JM, and JR do, I think by keeping a consistent style, he kept the rest of the band grounded; whereas with Mangini, everything is very robotic, sometimes too technical with awkward flow and unnecessary-sounding time signature changes/added beats, and I've listened to plenty of prog rock. When he's just keeping a solid beat, it sounds uptight and not as relaxed like MP's style, and it doesn't help that I find a lot of the construction of newer DT songs to be of questionable quality, really just 'look at how many ridiculous things I can do in 30 seconds'... like, "OK, but is it something I'm going to want to listen to over and over for the rest of my life?"and I just don't care for the physical sound of Mangini's drum set, in studio and live, even on JLB's albums... Point is, I'm more excited about Terminal Velocity and LT3 than I was for the last few DT albums.
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Just wondering this as having MP on JP's album comes as a surprise. Since Suspended Animation came out in 2005 is there any chance that MP did the drum tracks before he left DT? JP has been working on his 2nd album for years and maybe the basic tracks were done and he just got around to finishing it now? It just seems odd to me that MP hasn't (unless I missed it) mentioned playing with JP "recently" as he is pretty much an open book and I haven't read anything from JP either detailing how it came to be that MP played on his new album.
I think it's great that they are playing together I was just wondering out loud.
You're not the only one wondering about that! My theory is that he played on it recently and that he's waiting for JP to come out with his own announcement/explanation of the lineup before he says something. But this is very possible. In fact, it's possible that JP reached out to him over keeping his drum tracks in, and that they started talking and that this is what lead to their recent friendlier-than-any-time-since-2010 relationship.
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While some may feel MP became stale and didn't keep improving his style and chops like JP, JM, and JR do, I think by keeping a consistent style, he kept the rest of the band grounded; whereas with Mangini, everything is very robotic, sometimes too technical with awkward flow and unnecessary-sounding time signature changes/added beats, and I've listened to plenty of prog rock. When he's just keeping a solid beat, it sounds uptight and not as relaxed like MP's style, and it doesn't help that I find a lot of the construction of newer DT songs to be of questionable quality, really just 'look at how many ridiculous things I can do in 30 seconds'... like, "OK, but is it something I'm going to want to listen to over and over for the rest of my life?"and I just don't care for the physical sound of Mangini's drum set, in studio and live, even on JLB's albums... Point is, I'm more excited about Terminal Velocity and LT3 than I was for the last few DT albums.
I think I agree with this. Some of the instrumental sections in Pale Blue Dot are like that for me, and the tickle section of Lost Not Forgotten is definitely like that for me. I'd probably listen to Lost Not Forgotten a lot more often if that section had been left out of the song; it just takes me right out of the song nearly every time, and I find myself wanting to skip to something else before that section ends nearly every time I try to listen to it. Not solely blaming Mangini for any of that, mind you, but I think his style makes the band more likely now to want to do sections that technically blow your hair back. Not that that trait wasn't always part of their style, but Mangini's style, which I agree is a bit stiff and not as loose as Portnoy's, gives those sections more of a technical feel, like they're drifting off into Dance of Eternity land too often, which makes it harder for someone like me to connect to. Take the instrumental section of Metropolis. Even with the triggered snare on I&W, the section still manages to be a technical wonderland AND emotional at the same time, IMO, and I can't help but feel that if that had been a new song recorded by the band in the last 10 years, that section wouldn't be nearly as good (the loss of Moore would be critical as well in that regard).
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Just wondering this as having MP on JP's album comes as a surprise. Since Suspended Animation came out in 2005 is there any chance that MP did the drum tracks before he left DT? JP has been working on his 2nd album for years and maybe the basic tracks were done and he just got around to finishing it now? It just seems odd to me that MP hasn't (unless I missed it) mentioned playing with JP "recently" as he is pretty much an open book and I haven't read anything from JP either detailing how it came to be that MP played on his new album.
I think it's great that they are playing together I was just wondering out loud.
You're not the only one wondering about that! My theory is that he played on it recently and that he's waiting for JP to come out with his own announcement/explanation of the lineup before he says something. But this is very possible. In fact, it's possible that JP reached out to him over keeping his drum tracks in, and that they started talking and that this is what lead to their recent friendlier-than-any-time-since-2010 relationship.
I don't think so. As I posted in the other JP thread, Marco Minnemann said he was originally asked by JP to tour and, eventually, record the new album back in 2012, which he turned down. So, no, I really doubt these things were already recorded pre-MP leaving DT. I just think JP asked Mike to record the album this year because: 1. they're good friends that go way back. 2. he was the original drummer for the JP solo band anyway. 3. It would definitely get a lot of fans excited (and it did).
Since MP left, the last 4 DT albums have more or less felt like JLB's solo albums with Mangini, but with JP and JR taking on the much of the writing.
This doesn't make any sense, and what does this even mean? Even Jordan said back in 2011 that he and JP have been the main writers of the band since he joined for SFAM, so the only big real difference between that era and the current one is that there's no MP influence on the writing or production. Actually, I'd say the last 4 albums sound way more like "DT" than everything from TOT to BC&SL.
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I’ve probably said this before but, for me personally, JP is the only irreplaceable member of Dream Theater. He’s the reason I came to them in the first place and is the main composer and lyricist in the band. If he goes, it’s a different band.
Bass players and drummers are not soloists and are pretty replaceable without making a huge difference to the sound of the band. There’s only two drummers off the top of my head that are very distinctive and have a big impact on the bands sound purely through drumming. They would be Neil Peart and Scott Rockenfield. I’m sure there are others but I don’t focus on the drums as much as some and these two give their respective band a unique sound.
It’s difficult to replace singers as they are really the most identifiable member of the band visually and sonically and James in particular has a hugely recognisable voice which in turn gives DT their own recognisable unique sound. When you hear JLB, you know instantly who it is. Replacing him therefore would mean a big change in how the band sound. He is not irreplaceable however and the reason I say that is his troublesome live performances.
I have always been a staunch defender of JLB, my post history will tell you that. For the first time however on this last tour, he completely ruined a show for me with, for a professional singer, an incredibly poor performance. After going to every tour from FII onwards, I would now think twice before spending serious money to see them again and it’s purely due to JLB. By serious money, I mean concert tickets plus train tickets and staying in a hotel overnight, which I had to do for DOT/SFAM and it was basically a huge waste of money as I didn’t enjoy the concert at all.
As fans, spending good money on tickets (DT aren’t cheap these days) we should not have to go to a show crossing our fingers that the singer has an ok night. It’s the same with all recent tours with fans tracking them around the globe asking how James is sounding. He has always been good at my shows but not this last one. There’s no other band I go to see where I have that concern. I’m not saying other singers hit every note, even Bruce Dickinson occasionally cracks going for high notes, but they always give at least a solid performance and most of the time are excellent. I never go to a Maiden concert worried I won’t enjoy it if Bruce has an off night, I know I’ll get a great show.
If longtime fans like me (and I’m not alone) begin to stay away from your shows because the singer is unreliable, then maybe it is time to replace him especially as he is not important from a songwriting standpoint. It’s not like losing Geoff Tate from Queensrÿche and your main songwriter has gone.
As for who I’d replace him with, I don’t know. I think Brittney Slayes from Unleash The Archers is a phenomenal vocalist and could be really interesting to hear a female vocal in DT. She is also very unique sounding but I’ve never heard her sing DT so I don’t know how well her voice would fit. It would be difficult to replace him, they found it hard enough to find a singer in the first place but, unless he can find a way to put in a decent performance every night, I think they will continue to see some fans staying away.
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Regarding JLB's vocals, I agree that they have gone downhill a lot live on the last few tours (based on the footage I have seen), but that is fixable if he would recognize his limitations and stop trying to do too much. When I saw them on The Astonishing tour, he did a very good job for most of the show, but there were a handful of times where he tried to get all up there in the stratosphere (when it wasn't even like that on the album) and it didn't sound good. I saw a few recent clips of him doing the Ayreon live show in 2015 and he sounded quite good in almost all of the clips I saw, and that is an album where it seems like most of his vocal parts were nothing crazy; very manageable and not difficult to sing live, and it occurs to me that he should still be able to pull that off live in Dream Theater concerts, if he would adjust and not try to do too much. Just my two cents.
And I say this as a big JLB fan - his voice was one of the two things that immediately grabbed me when I first heard the band, and he is still good enough in the studio where I'd hate to see him go. The last few DT tours are just rough to watch any footage because of his vocals, though.
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As I posted in the other JP thread, Marco Minnemann said he was originally asked by JP to tour and, eventually, record the new album back in 2012, which he turned down.
Ah, I had zero idea about that, thanks for correcting me.
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Regarding JLB's vocals, I agree that they have gone downhill a lot live on the last few tours (based on the footage I have seen), but that is fixable if he would recognize his limitations and stop trying to do too much. When I saw them on The Astonishing tour, he did a very good job for most of the show, but there were a handful of times where he tried to get all up there in the stratosphere (when it wasn't even like that on the album) and it didn't sound good. I saw a few recent clips of him doing the Ayreon live show in 2015 and he sounded quite good in almost all of the clips I saw, and that is an album where it seems like most of his vocal parts were nothing crazy; very manageable and not difficult to sing live, and it occurs to me that he should still be able to pull that off live in Dream Theater concerts, if he would adjust and not try to do too much. Just my two cents.
And I say this as a big JLB fan - his voice was one of the two things that immediately grabbed me when I first heard the band, and he is still good enough in the studio where I'd hate to see him go. The last few DT tours are just rough to watch any footage because of his vocals, though.
I agree with this, I’d ideally want JLB to stay but there comes a time with most singers where they have to accept they can’t sing how they used to and they adjust accordingly. If James could do that and put in consistently good performances, I don’t think anyone would have a problem. I’d rather that than they replace him as he is the voice of DT and one of the big reasons I love the band.
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Labrie usually sounds tremendous in studio, however on Distance over Time was the first time on an actual studio album where *sometimes* the vocals were not up to scratch. There's still lots of excellent vocals there, but there's also some questionable stuff and digital effects/touch ups.
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I am a rabid JLB fan, and as far as I'm concerned he's the majority share-holder of DT's sound.
I am aware father time is undefeated and, even though I've been so lucky to never have experienced a bad James' performance, I know the odds of that happening have increased in the last years.
Said that, for the way I'm wired, I'm totally fine to pay good concert money and have an artist who brought me joy for my whole adult life struggle with the material, while I will never give a cent to a band that dumps a brother after 30 years.
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With each album the same singer sings for a band, his or her influence on the band's most recognizable aspect - the voice - grows esponentially, and a replacement becomes harder and harder.
James is on every album minus the debut, and has already more tenure and albums than MP. Love him, tolerate him or dislike him, he's the voice of DT.
Are there singers that can technically sing his songs? yes. Are there singers who could sing the kind of prog metal Petrucci and Rudess compose? yes. But after so many years with James, which is literally "their entire carrer except the debut", no one else would feel right in his shoes. A DT without James would be an entirely different entity, and a new singer would just be a random new guy that ferries the band up until the retirement.
If James go, I go. I would give a fair chance to an hypothetical new album, but if it's not the most minblowing and amazing thing we've heard since Octavarium (and I'm being generous, I need another SFAM to be kept into a James-less DT), I would quickly lose interest in the band.
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With each album the same singer sings for a band, his or her influence on the band's most recognizable aspect - the voice - grows esponentially, and a replacement becomes harder and harder.
James is on every album minus the debut, and has already more tenure and albums than MP. Love him, tolerate him or dislike him, he's the voice of DT.
Are there singers that can technically sing his songs? yes. Are there singers who could sing the kind of prog metal Petrucci and Rudess compose? yes. But after so many years with James, which is literally "their entire carrer except the debut", no one else would feel right in his shoes. A DT without James would be an entirely different entity, and a new singer would just be a random new guy that ferries the band up until the retirement.
If James go, I go. I would give a fair chance to an hypothetical new album, but if it's not the most minblowing and amazing thing we've heard since Octavarium (and I'm being generous, I need another SFAM to be kept into a James-less DT), I would quickly lose interest in the band.
I agree with all of this.
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JOHN PETRUCCI - TERMINAL VELOCITY
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John Petrucci - Guitar
Dave LaRue - Bass
Mike Portnoy - Drums
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TERMINAL VELOCITY
THE ODDFATHER
HAPPY SONG
GEMINI
OUT OF THE BLUE
GLASSY-EYED ZOMBIES
THE WAY THINGS FALL
SNAKE IN MY BOOT
TEMPLE OF CIRCADIA
Really happy to see Gemini in there. Even though I expected it, I'm glad it's confirmed. Also, not surprised to see Portnoy as the drummer. Hope this means we'll see JP and MP together on stage again.
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Really happy to see Gemini in there. Even though I expected it, I'm glad it's confirmed. Also, not surprised to see Portnoy as the drummer. Hope this means we'll see JP and MP together on stage again.
I have little doubt that JP understands that the act of having MP record the drums and most likely go on tour with him on the select dates that he would tour......greatly increases sales on both fronts. He's no dummy....he knows people have been salavating at the mouth to see him and MP play together again. Pretty smart move on his part
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If James go, I go. I would give a fair chance to an hypothetical new album, but if it's not the most minblowing and amazing thing we've heard since Octavarium (and I'm being generous, I need another SFAM to be kept into a James-less DT), I would quickly lose interest in the band.
Honestly I'm pretty torn about JLB.
He is a perfect match for the band and if the singing wasn't good or fitting, the albums, even masterpieces like SFAM, couldn't have pleased that many people.
Now, I just wonder where is the limit between aging and adapting voice vs better change singer.
Is an album without the impressive voice range like an album without guitar solos ?
How important is the live aspect ? Saw them in february and even if I have been scared during the first two songs, the show went ok, voice wise. But I read many people complaining during I&W anniversary tour i.e.
Back to JP's album, I really wonder what we are getting...Both musicians evolved and tried things so they brought back stuff probably miles away from black clouds and silver linings :D
Hope it's groovy and emotionfull, at least somewhere between JP's first album and LTE :)
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On the JLB topic, both Indi's post and Mirror's are precisely in line with my thinking. I got a great show on the DoT/SFAM tour (one of the last NA dates), but I&W/B was adequate at best. It didn't hinder my enjoyment of that show, just was a bit bummed he A) couldn't hit the notes he once could, and B) tried to knowing he shouldn't.
a new singer would just be a random new guy that ferries the band up until the retirement.
Felt I had to re-quote this specifically. I mean, how many more studio albums does DT have left in them? 2? 3? I don't see them going on like the Rolling Stones, touring into their 80s. Bringing in a new vocalist for the final chapter of their career would be a classless move, imo - unless it was James who decided to leave/retire.
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Well Rudess is already almost 65. He probably has the easiest job in the band as far as stamina goes though.
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Well Rudess is already almost 65. He probably has the easiest job in the band as far as stamina goes though.
And he looks very content and passionate as ever. People look at his age and half expect from him a retirement announcement anytime soon, but as you said he has not a demanding job, and looks very happy and passionate as music as ever, I can't see him considering stepping down from DT anytime soon.
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Also it's 2020 - being 65 isn't what it used to be twenty five / thirty years ago.
He's probably as healthy and fit as a 50 year old.
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a new singer would just be a random new guy that ferries the band up until the retirement.
Felt I had to re-quote this specifically. I mean, how many more studio albums does DT have left in them? 2? 3? I don't see them going on like the Rolling Stones, touring into their 80s. Bringing in a new vocalist for the final chapter of their career would be a classless move, imo - unless it was James who decided to leave/retire.
I'd say they have, at least, another 10 years or more as a band. JP, who is the main man there, is just turning 53 this week, so I can imagine him still wanting to do this for a while. Whether all the current members last that much or not, I wouldn't be so sure, but JP (and JM maybe)? Definitely.
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So I've always been a big believer that MP will never come back to DT unless MM leaves on his own accord or whatever. But interestingly, I think he might be trying to sneak his way back in - he recently said he's been hanging out with JM, and today he posted about I&W on instagram, tagging JP, DT, and JLB. It seems he could be trying to reach out to JLB and rekindle a relationship there. Now, obviously he could just be trying to reach out to an old friend and that's it. But, it's not too far fetched to think he might also be hoping something further happens. Obviously that doesn't mean the guys will kick out MM and take MP back, but it's possible that's a goal for him.
Not trying to feed in to the conspiracy theories or anything, but I thought it was an interesting development.
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So I've always been a big believer that MP will never come back to DT unless MM leaves on his own accord or whatever. But interestingly, I think he might be trying to sneak his way back in - he recently said he's been hanging out with JM, and today he posted about I&W on instagram, tagging JP, DT, and JLB. It seems he could be trying to reach out to JLB and rekindle a relationship there. Now, obviously he could just be trying to reach out to an old friend and that's it. But, it's not too far fetched to think he might also be hoping something further happens. Obviously that doesn't mean the guys will kick out MM and take MP back, but it's possible that's a goal for him.
Not trying to feed in to the conspiracy theories or anything, but I thought it was an interesting development.
I wouldn't say he's actively trying to rejoin either, but I feel like he definitely wants it to happen (whether he realizes it or not). If things are getting better between him and the rest of the guys, I would happily welcome more interaction/crossover between them, but I would love to see him honor MM the way he's honored MP time and time again.
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So I've always been a big believer that MP will never come back to DT unless MM leaves on his own accord or whatever. But interestingly, I think he might be trying to sneak his way back in - he recently said he's been hanging out with JM, and today he posted about I&W on instagram, tagging JP, DT, and JLB. It seems he could be trying to reach out to JLB and rekindle a relationship there. Now, obviously he could just be trying to reach out to an old friend and that's it. But, it's not too far fetched to think he might also be hoping something further happens. Obviously that doesn't mean the guys will kick out MM and take MP back, but it's possible that's a goal for him.
Not trying to feed in to the conspiracy theories or anything, but I thought it was an interesting development.
I wouldn't say he's actively trying to rejoin either, but I feel like he definitely wants it to happen (whether he realizes it or not). If things are getting better between him and the rest of the guys, I would happily welcome more interaction/crossover between them, but I would love to see him honor MM the way he's honored MP time and time again.
Him getting back with DT wouldn't just screw over MM, but it would screw over Derek....AGAIN :lol
Poor Derek. :'(
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I would imagine just logistically bringing MP back on to DT would be a minefield. Is MP an owner of the DT “brand”? Is he relegated to “hired gun” status? In any event, it seems like lots of lawyers and conference calls would be involved and there would bound to be a breakdown somewhere.
Also, while JP will always be the most “important” member of DT and most crucial to their overall sound, JLB is a big factor in what shapes DT’s sound. Unless JLB walks away 100% willingly, you might as well retire DT, honor the band’s legacy and start a new project.
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My .02:
As I've continually said on here, I think the only way MP rejoins Dream Theater is if Mike Mangini CHOOSES to leave. Mangini is obviously well liked by all the guys in the band, and I don't think they would send him packing just because Portnoy may want back in.
I think the situation with JLB, whatever that is, could be resolved. Both he and MP both know their "fault" in whatever quarrel they have, and my guess is if MM decided to leave, and the rest of the band wanted MP back, JLB and MP would suck it up, and mend fences.
I know the natural tendency is to assume MP wants or is working toward a reunion with DT. Maybe he is. I happen to think MP has wanted back in from the very start and still does. But Petrucci strikes me as a rational and very intelligent guy, and he probably set some boundaries with MP about all the questions they'll receive about MP's solo album (and eventually LTE) when they talk to the media about the projects.
I just don't believe Dream Theater would boot MM at all. They have a great chemistry. It would be MM feeling like he wanted to do something else, or if he is hounded by the specter of MP and just wants it over with. But that ghost has been flying over MM since the beginning, and he hasn't left yet, so I really doubt he'll leave now.
As a fan, I'm just thankful that MP and JP are working together again, and eventually, MP, JP, and JR will reunite for LTE. As for DT, yeah, I'd love to see MP back with DT (I like what MM has done with them, I'm just partial to getting original guys back). But I really don't think it'll happen without MM deciding to leave on his own accord.
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I think the situation with JLB, whatever that is, could be resolved. Both he and MP both know their "fault" in whatever quarrel they have, and my guess is if MM decided to leave, and the rest of the band wanted MP back, JLB and MP would suck it up, and mend fences.
In a sense they both have to know they'd have to do it. MP would shoot himself in the foot if he would ask them to consider a singer change upon his returning (or refusing to return unless James goes), and James could always put the foot down and threaten to walk away, but to do what? he's seen the attendance his solo carrer brings, and he's too much of a big name to join permanently another band. He could live off of solo albums and guest apperances for the rest of his carrer, but if even Bruce Dickinson alone couldn't pull the Maiden crowds when he was out of the band, definitively James won't tour nowhere near the places DT reach as a solo artist.
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I know this is all speculation and just talk to pass the time between now and the release of the album, but I just have to say that I think the chances of a lineup change in DT before the band decides to call it a career is basically none. The only way I think it could happen is if one member decides to retire before the rest or there is an unfortunate accident or major health issue. Other than that, it isn't going to happen.
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I think if any one of DT leaves or is unable to play - then that is the end of the band.
I can't see them committing to a brand new member this late in the game.
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I think if any one of DT leaves or is unable to play - then that is the end of the band.
I can't see them committing to a brand new member this late in the game.
Eh, never say never.
I'm too in the "we're just passing time and speculating, nothing's gonna change in DT for the foreseable future" camp, but one thing is to never wanting to change when things are going good, and another is to face this "this is it, either this lineup or nothing" mentality when change comes upon you.
Would JP really give up DT, being still relatively young, passionate and creative if tomorrow Jordan has a change of heart and leaves? what if it's Myung who wants to retire, with the writing team of Petrucci / Rudess still there, able and willing to compose? when faced with the reality of "so, is this, today, for this or that reason, the end of Dream Theater, your entire musical life so far and your lifestyle when it comes to writing and touring?", I don't claim to presume any definite and 100% sure answers from Petrucci or any of the other guys.
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I'm thinking more of a scenario that Jordan still keep writing with DT in the studio albums and then they hire a keyboard player (one of JR's proteges like Jeroen or Diego Tejeida or Frank Lucas) for touring.
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I'm thinking more of a scenario that Jordan still keep writing with DT in the studio albums and then they hire a keyboard player (one of JR's proteges like Jeroen or Diego Tejeida or Frank Lucas) for touring.
Interesting. I could see that as well. Maybe he'd do a few select shows if/when they toured?
Maybe DT's touring schedule won't be as demanding as the years go by. Maybe they just pick a few of the major cities and do multiple night shows? Who knows.
If they stick with their typical schedule....it's write....release.....(2) year tour......6-8 month break.....write 3-4 months......release....then tour.....so best case scenario is they write a new album this fall......release it early next year.....then go on tour.
Tour '21/22'.........write fall of 22' maybe?........release early '23...........tour '23/'24'.......and so on? With Jordan's age and the future of touring up in the air......I'd think (4) more albums is max.....(2) for sure.
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I'm thinking more of a scenario that Jordan still keep writing with DT in the studio albums and then they hire a keyboard player (one of JR's proteges like Jeroen or Diego Tejeida or Frank Lucas) for touring.
I'd suggest Gerald Peter from Circle of Illusion, another of Jordan's protegés and an extremely talented player. :)
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Interactive live chat with JP on Facebook/Youtube in 15 minutes
https://www.facebook.com/TheDreamTheaterWorld/ (https://www.facebook.com/TheDreamTheaterWorld/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Raaf5hh2b-E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Raaf5hh2b-E)
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Love it. It sounds like involving MP was very much just two buddies finding a reason to playing music together again. Although, he could have been downplaying it.
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Just heard the news that MP is playing on the album. I'm really excited to hear that!
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Tuned in just in time to catch John complimenting Noxon for all his work :metal :hefdaddy
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From what I remember/understood:
Andy Sneap mixed the JP album, very cool!
MP kind of offered himself to play at the album (JP commented it in a funny way).
5 brand new songs, 2 from the 'new ones' from the last G3 tour he made (Happy Song and Glass Eyed Zombies) and 2 old ones from the time of his clinics and instrutional video (Gemini and another one).
JP said that the live at Budokan 2017 TV broadcast will be released in the future, but didn't give any detail. Anyway, he seemed very fond of this live production.
It's always nice to see the DT guys talk, but, for hardcore fans, people make a lot of samey or generic questions unfortunately... anyway for a one hour chat, a lot of cool information.
Noxon, great work as always, thanks a lot!
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I think if any one of DT leaves or is unable to play - then that is the end of the band.
I can't see them committing to a brand new member this late in the game.
Eh, never say never.
I'm too in the "we're just passing time and speculating, nothing's gonna change in DT for the foreseable future" camp, but one thing is to never wanting to change when things are going good, and another is to face this "this is it, either this lineup or nothing" mentality when change comes upon you.
Would JP really give up DT, being still relatively young, passionate and creative if tomorrow Jordan has a change of heart and leaves? what if it's Myung who wants to retire, with the writing team of Petrucci / Rudess still there, able and willing to compose? when faced with the reality of "so, is this, today, for this or that reason, the end of Dream Theater, your entire musical life so far and your lifestyle when it comes to writing and touring?", I don't claim to presume any definite and 100% sure answers from Petrucci or any of the other guys.
I'm with you. I just don't see JP going "oh crap, this member decided to retire/leave... I guess that's it, we're calling it a day". I think DT will remain, with or without the current members, as long as JP is willing/able to do it, and I'd bet that's another 10+ years, at least.
5 brand new songs, 2 from the 'new ones' from the last G3 tour he made (Happy Song and Glass Eyed Zombies) and 2 old ones from the time of his clinics and instrutional video (Gemini and another one).
Just a small correction (I watched that part twice), there's 5 brand new songs, Gemini from back in the day, 2 that were featured in G3 (Happy Song and Glassy-Eyed Zombies) and he said he wrote another song around that same time, had it fully demoed and then completely forgot about it (The Way Things Fall), which I'd bet is Zero Tolerance with a different name, since he DID debut that one along with those other two songs back in 2012 but then didn't play for G3 2018 (hence the "complwtely forgot about it" part).
I could be wrong, though :biggrin:
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Thanks :)
One important factor I'm always conscious about; an interview like this is ALWAYS someones first interview they're watching. So no matter how many times they've answered certain questions, it may be someones first time hearing about it. I try to balance it, but I mean, it's hard when you've lived and breathed the band for 20 years to know what is something only "you" know, and what is so often answered that it is common knowledge at this point ;)
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My .02:
As I've continually said on here, I think the only way MP rejoins Dream Theater is if Mike Mangini CHOOSES to leave. Mangini is obviously well liked by all the guys in the band, and I don't think they would send him packing just because Portnoy may want back in.
I think the situation with JLB, whatever that is, could be resolved. Both he and MP both know their "fault" in whatever quarrel they have, and my guess is if MM decided to leave, and the rest of the band wanted MP back, JLB and MP would suck it up, and mend fences.
I know the natural tendency is to assume MP wants or is working toward a reunion with DT. Maybe he is. I happen to think MP has wanted back in from the very start and still does. But Petrucci strikes me as a rational and very intelligent guy, and he probably set some boundaries with MP about all the questions they'll receive about MP's solo album (and eventually LTE) when they talk to the media about the projects.
I just don't believe Dream Theater would boot MM at all. They have a great chemistry. It would be MM feeling like he wanted to do something else, or if he is hounded by the specter of MP and just wants it over with. But that ghost has been flying over MM since the beginning, and he hasn't left yet, so I really doubt he'll leave now.
As a fan, I'm just thankful that MP and JP are working together again, and eventually, MP, JP, and JR will reunite for LTE. As for DT, yeah, I'd love to see MP back with DT (I like what MM has done with them, I'm just partial to getting original guys back). But I really don't think it'll happen without MM deciding to leave on his own accord.
Sam, that's more like two nickels. :D
I agree with pretty much everything you say though.
I do wonder how JP and MP will handle the promotions of the two projects. I find that aspect really interesting.
I said it was curious of JP to basically knowingly invite these questions by having MP play on his solo album, and was basically laughed out of the thread.
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5 brand new songs, 2 from the 'new ones' from the last G3 tour he made (Happy Song and Glass Eyed Zombies) and 2 old ones from the time of his clinics and instrutional video (Gemini and another one).
Just a small correction (I watched that part twice), there's 5 brand new songs, Gemini from back in the day, 2 that were featured in G3 (Happy Song and Glassy-Eyed Zombies) and he said he wrote another song around that same time, had it fully demoed and then completely forgot about it (The Way Things Fall), which I'd bet is Zero Tolerance with a different name, since he DID debut that one along with those other two songs back in 2012 but then didn't play for G3 2018 (hence the "complwtely forgot about it" part).
I could be wrong, though :biggrin:
Thanks, gzarruk, you are probably right.
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Thanks :)
One important factor I'm always conscious about; an interview like this is ALWAYS someones first interview they're watching. So no matter how many times they've answered certain questions, it may be someones first time hearing about it. I try to balance it, but I mean, it's hard when you've lived and breathed the band for 20 years to know what is something only "you" know, and what is so often answered that it is common knowledge at this point ;)
Yes, noxon, I totally understand that and I think you really achieved that balance!
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Transcription of part of the live chat:
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/dream-theaters-john-petrucci-says-its-really-awesome-to-reunite-with-mike-portnoy-on-terminal-velocity-album/
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Great Q&A noxon, thanks for arranging it!
Love JP, but I call B.S. on "this solo album was planned whether the pandemic thing happened or not", he's been planning it since like 2007 :lol
Terminal Velocity only happened because of COVID19, otherwise he'd have been back BBQing for DT in the studio by now heh
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LaserCD has links for pre-orders. Vinyl version as well.
https://www.lasercd.com/vinyl/terminal-velocity-2lp-viny-preorder
https://www.lasercd.com/cd/terminal-velocity-preorder
I'll probably wait and see if the Petruccinator will have some available through his website or limited bundles or something.
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LaserCD has links for pre-orders. Vinyl version as well.
https://www.lasercd.com/vinyl/terminal-velocity-2lp-viny-preorder
https://www.lasercd.com/cd/terminal-velocity-preorder
I'll probably wait and see if the Petruccinator will have some available through his website or limited bundles or something.
So release date is October 30th. Based on John's earlier comments, I thought the album was going to drop earlier, at least a month earlier, but it'll be worth the wait anyway.
Also, since pre-orders seem to be available now, I'm expecting a single to drop pretty soon, hopefully in the next couple days :metal
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JP was in Instagram live a minute ago with Metal Hammer Spain. I could only watch a couple minutes of it, because it was about to end when I joined, but he said the album is coming on Aug. 28th. Now I wonder why that pre-order link that was shared yesterday had such a different date.
He also said DT are going to start working on new music this fall :metal :metal :metal
EDIT: Metal Hammer Spain uploaded the interview to their IGTV: https://www.instagram.com/p/CDjlmm4qGlb/
EDIT 2: I'm watching right now, and he even talks about MP and MM - he didn't want to spark any sort of drama, says MM is the drummer for DT that's how it's going to be, having MP on the solo album is great because he can now play with both :lol
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August 28th feels so soon :o
Thank you for sharing, listening now.
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He even got asked about the Spotify CEO comments and the whole music streaming world. Very cool.
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Short, but very good interview!
JP is so calm and centered, it’s really nice to hear him.
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EDIT 2: I'm watching right now, and he even talks about MP and MM - he didn't want to spark any sort of drama, says MM is the drummer for DT that's how it's going to be, having MP on the solo album is great because he can now play with both :lol
Agreed and I sincerely hope things continue this way (with also LTE, of course :tup).
That said, I'm still curious if JP talked about it with Mangini, before it was announced the MP has recorded the drums for Terminal Velocity. If he kind of asked for 'Mangini's blessing" for it or if he didn't talked at all... just curious how he handled with it in the DT's inner circle. I think, because of its nature, it would be a very sensitive matter anyway.
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Terminal Velocity (song) on Spotify tomorrow.
From Dream Theater World Facebook.
Well, I will wait just 3 hours ;)
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That was an excellent interview. That kid did a great job.
JP confirmed DT was moving their schedule up, so they'll start working on a new album in the fall.
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It's funny how artists mis-remember things about their own music all the time. JP said in the interview they've done 3 albums with MM in the band :lol so I'm still hopeful that "The Way Things Fall" is actually "Zero Tolerance" and that he forgot they played that one in 2012.
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Terminal Velocity
https://open.spotify.com/track/2UpxJ9ZFDsWOlwhCH52vkm?si=LN0m_1I0Rwe751lBefWyYw
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Or YT link
https://youtu.be/2eekNvdsX2k
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Pretty good. :tup I think I had higher expectations. I don't usually put a lot of stock in my first listen of pre-release singles.
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And the album will be released - at least digitally- already on 08/28 :tup
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Cool song, but Jaws of Life was a stronger opener. But Terminal Velocity has a stronger drumming!
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On iTunes there’s the pre-order, with the songs’s lengths.
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Cool song, but Jaws of Life was a stronger opener. But Terminal Velocity has a stronger drumming!
standard fare Portnoy. (IMHO) Mangini would have been a lot more musical and logical (again, IMHO. And tighter too) Cool if you love it though. And John is as great as he ever was IMHO.
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So much Vai vibe in it. I don't feel the originality but cool tune nonetheless.
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So much Vai vibe in it. I don't feel the originality but cool tune nonetheless.
What's not to love about Vai influences? He is one of my favourite guitarists (as is John), and I'm not even a guitarist.
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Cool song, but Jaws of Life was a stronger opener. But Terminal Velocity has a stronger drumming!
standard fare Portnoy. (IMHO) Mangini would have been a lot more musical and logical (again, IMHO. And tighter too) Cool if you love it though. And John is as great as he ever was IMHO.
I agree. Typical MP's drumming, but I was comparing with Dave DiCenso drumming on Suspended Animation, that was a bit restrained to my ears. No doubt, nowadays, Mangini drumming also surprises me a lot more than MP.
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Cool song, but Jaws of Life was a stronger opener. But Terminal Velocity has a stronger drumming!
standard fare Portnoy. (IMHO) Mangini would have been a lot more musical and logical (again, IMHO. And tighter too) Cool if you love it though. And John is as great as he ever was IMHO.
I agree. Typical MP's drumming, but I was comparing with Dave DiCenso drumming on Suspended Animation, that was a bit restrained to my ears. No doubt, nowadays, Mangini drumming also surprises me a lot more than MP.
ah right ok. Yes, I agree on Dave DC as well.
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2 spins. Unfortunately no musical feels or nostalgia feels. Maybe the next song.
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Autographed CD and vinyl for those in the US
https://www.newburycomics.com/collections/vendors?q=John%20Petrucci
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Autographed CD and vinyl for those in the US
https://www.newburycomics.com/collections/vendors?q=John%20Petrucci
Fritzinger, this one is for you.
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Autographed CD and vinyl for those in the US
https://www.newburycomics.com/collections/vendors?q=John%20Petrucci
Fritzinger, this one is for you.
Either it's sold out or I can't see it, since I'm not in the US :'(
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Autographed CD and vinyl for those in the US
https://www.newburycomics.com/collections/vendors?q=John%20Petrucci
Fritzinger, this one is for you.
Either it's sold out or I can't see it, since I'm not in the US :'(
The latter, I think. No, I meant more generally speaking, you'd love it on vinyl I'm sure.
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Autographed CD and vinyl for those in the US
https://www.newburycomics.com/collections/vendors?q=John%20Petrucci
Fritzinger, this one is for you.
Either it's sold out or I can't see it, since I'm not in the US :'(
Sold out. I'm in the US and can't see it.
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2 spins. Unfortunately no musical feels or nostalgia feels. Maybe the next song.
Shame to hear that - it's quite the opposite for me. I really like it!
The only thing that bothers me a bit is the amount of multiple guitar parts he plays on it, which will be impossible to replicate live, unless he has a second guitarist, which I doubt will happen.
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Kinda surprised at how uninteresting I found the song to be. Will have no problem waiting until October for my physical copy.
As it is, I actually am more excited for Derek's solo album :o
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well, MP played what JP asked him to played, that's what he said on an interview.
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well, MP played what JP asked him to played, that's what he said on an interview.
Well, on the Instagram Live posted yesterday, he basically told MP to do his (MP's) thing, unless there was a technical part that JP wanted to keep, and MP learned it. So it's a little of both.
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iTunes has previews for each song. Sounds killer!
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Autographed CD and vinyl for those in the US
https://www.newburycomics.com/collections/vendors?q=John%20Petrucci
Fritzinger, this one is for you.
Either it's sold out or I can't see it, since I'm not in the US :'(
Sold out. I'm in the US and can't see it.
I see nothing. Might mean that John is going to sign them for his website also.
At least we have options.
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iTunes has previews for each song. Sounds killer!
:metal :metal :metal
I was hoping Zero Tolerance ended up being in the album with a different name, but I just checked and it isn't :'(
I wonder why he didn't use it, as it was already performed live along with Happy Song and Glassy-Eyed Zombies.
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New sing is killer and the samples sound great too. Portnoy sounds great playing with Petrucci again. Really looking forward to this.
Sounds to me to have more of a hard Rock edge than SA. Which is no bad thing IMO.
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Very impressed with the samples and also with MP performance!
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The 2 of them together is just magic. So amazing to see these guys together again. MP’s playing together with JP just sounds like DT. The feel and the groove are what has been lacking in DT’s music. Really hoping this is the start of a future reunion.
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The 2 of them together is just magic. So amazing to see these guys together again. MP’s playing together with JP just sounds like DT. The feel and the groove are what has been lacking in DT’s music. Really hoping this is the start of a future reunion.
As far as I know, John recently denied this in an interview. (Which I'm relieved about personally)
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The 2 of them together is just magic. So amazing to see these guys together again. MP’s playing together with JP just sounds like DT. The feel and the groove are what has been lacking in DT’s music. Really hoping this is the start of a future reunion.
As far as I know, John recently denied this in an interview. (Which I'm relieved about personally)
Yeah he was pretty clear about that and even said when he asked Portnoy he knew it would spark those rumors but there is nothing to read into.
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The 2 of them together is just magic. So amazing to see these guys together again. MP’s playing together with JP just sounds like DT. The feel and the groove are what has been lacking in DT’s music. Really hoping this is the start of a future reunion.
As far as I know, John recently denied this in an interview. (Which I'm relieved about personally)
Yeah he was pretty clear about that and even said when he asked Portnoy he knew it would spark those rumors but there is nothing to read into.
Exactly. It's a Man who's finally doing a solo album, and getting his friend, who happens to be an ex band mate, to play drums.
Didn't JP only write Suspended Animation because he needed songs to play on G3, that mainly showcase his guitar and feature mainly guitar?
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The song itself is a little clinical and Petrucci sounds like he’s putting on a bit of an exhibition of his techniques. Cool on one level but I can’t imagine a non-guitarist getting a ton of enjoyment out of it.
I WILL say this though- Petrucci sounds more energetic here than he has in a long time and the reason for that is Mr. Portnoy. They have a chemistry that’s undeniable. MP just “gets” JP and he knows what to do in situation. MP brings tension, drama, and he knows how to drive all the transitions.
I’ll also say (and this is just as much a compliment to JP, Andy Sneap and Jimmy T) the drums sound amazing, sonically. It sounds like real drums, being hit with real sticks by an actual human being.
Really, it sounds good overall. A/Bing the mix with DoT on Spotify on my headphones and it’s alarming how much better Terminal Velocity sounds.
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I’m hoping this is a gateway for Andy Sneap to work on the next DT album!
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I’m hoping this is a gateway for Andy Sneap to work on the next DT album!
Amen, brother!
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This song is all over the place in a way that justifies its title. In fact, my first couple listens almost felt like I was hearing a slightly different song each time, but that could have been because I was wearing a single earbud while working.
Now that I've had a chance to digest it on better equipment, I can better appreciate how JP deftly matches the rhythm changes with an appropriate scale change using just about every technique he's developed over the years. Definitely a suitable single, and while I haven't listened to the samples of the rest of the album, I'm looking forward to the digital release at the end of the month (and my vinyl copy in October!).
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This song is all over the place in a way that justifies its title. In fact, my first couple listens almost felt like I was hearing a slightly different song each time, but that could have been because I was wearing a single earbud while working.
Now that I've had a chance to digest it on better equipment, I can better appreciate how JP deftly matches the rhythm changes with an appropriate scale change using just about every technique he's developed over the years. Definitely a suitable single, and while I haven't listened to the samples of the rest of the album, I'm looking forward to the digital release at the end of the month (and my vinyl copy in October!).
Me too, gonna be an excellent birthday week for me. I got this and Redemptions live dvd coming out around then.
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I miss his rock discipline improv, phrasing, note choice days...
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I’m hoping this is a gateway for Andy Sneap to work on the next DT album!
Amen, brother!
Good God, that would be amazing! :metal
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Nothing to stop by, for me. At the same time, I didn't like his first solo album. I find him good when composing for DT, don't like when he's composing for himself. But hey, what do I know?
B.Lee
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I transcribed the whole song: John Petrucci - Terminal Velocity Guitar Tab (https://youtu.be/VsS86bJqmkM)
Please email me at maytropolees@comcast.net or countuscany@gmail to get the Guitar Pro 7 & PDF files. Or send me a pm here.
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I transcribed the whole song: John Petrucci - Terminal Velocity Guitar Tab (https://youtu.be/VsS86bJqmkM)
Please email me at maytropolees@comcast.net or countuscany@gmail to get the Guitar Pro 7 & PDF files. Or send me a pm here.
Wow, you're fast! Kuddos to you.
B.Lee
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I generally like anything Petrucci does and it's so very cool to see him play it. The sheer precision is always mind boggling. The song does sound very derivative though but I like it well enough that I pre-ordered the full release. My only concern from the YouTube video is that LaRue is hard to hear. Maybe that's the dreaded YouTube compression but it was very guitar centric, followed by the drums and then the bass even behind that in the mix. I tried it on different sound systems too but the bass seemed buried to me.
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My only concern from the YouTube video is that LaRue is hard to hear. Maybe that's the dreaded YouTube compression but it was very guitar centric, followed by the drums and then the bass even behind that in the mix. I tried it on different sound systems too but the bass seemed buried to me.
I think that's just how JP likes his mixes to sound, as it's the same situation on Suspended Animation. A shame as there is some really cool stuff going on in the bass department.
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My only concern from the YouTube video is that LaRue is hard to hear. Maybe that's the dreaded YouTube compression but it was very guitar centric, followed by the drums and then the bass even behind that in the mix. I tried it on different sound systems too but the bass seemed buried to me.
I think that's just how JP likes his mixes to sound, as it's the same situation on Suspended Animation. A shame as there is some really cool stuff going on in the bass department.
He could relisten to Steve Morse's solo albums with LaRue on them. The bass mix and prod are fantastic.
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My only concern from the YouTube video is that LaRue is hard to hear. Maybe that's the dreaded YouTube compression but it was very guitar centric, followed by the drums and then the bass even behind that in the mix. I tried it on different sound systems too but the bass seemed buried to me.
I think that's just how JP likes his mixes to sound, as it's the same situation on Suspended Animation. A shame as there is some really cool stuff going on in the bass department.
I suggest you listen to the snippets of the songs on iTunes. There is ton of base in the mix in the more rock oriented songs on Terminal Velocity.
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How do you hear the snippets? There's no option for that on mine. Not under the store or Apple Music, the songs are just greyed out.
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To hear them, you have to click on the left of each song on itunes.
Those snippets are really great, I'm listening to them a lot, and they last 1:30 minute each, which allow us to really have a good idea of each song. If we add that to the single, we'll have 18 minutes already known off the album, from aproximately 54 minute total running time - 1/3 of it!
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Normally you hover over the track number and little play button shows. Doesn't work for me unfortunately.
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I went there now and it isn’t working. Unfortunately I think they removed them.
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Yeah, they definitly removed the snippets. They worked yesterday, not anymore.
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After several listens I really dig the song. I'm not a guitarist or musician so I can't speak to the language of what JP is doing.....but it feels like he's just 'showing off' a bit :lol The way he escalates each idea then transitions to the next section is cool.
And...I will say that I think this is some of the best drumming that MP has produced in years. I don't know if it's the familiarity with JP....maybe the excitement behind the whole thing....but his drums sound amazing and what he's giving us is perfect for the material. I can't wait to hear him on the rest of the album.
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JP addressing speculation about MP.
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/john_petrucci_addresses_speculation_that_mike_portnoy_is_rejoining_dream_theater_stresses_what_fans_need_to_understand.html
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JP addressing speculation about MP.
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/john_petrucci_addresses_speculation_that_mike_portnoy_is_rejoining_dream_theater_stresses_what_fans_need_to_understand.html
I really really love that JP can't really count :lol (you'll know it when you see it)
It's good that he's aware that everyone is gonna address their reunion and project all sorts of expectations upon it. It seems like he's ready and unbothered, and good on him for being so.
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JP addressing speculation about MP.
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/john_petrucci_addresses_speculation_that_mike_portnoy_is_rejoining_dream_theater_stresses_what_fans_need_to_understand.html
I really really love that JP can't really count :lol (you'll know it when you see it)
"Three" albums made with Mangini :lol
He really couldn't have said it better. He's really, REALLY learnt how to be a public figure and I can't remember any occourence of reading stuff from him and thinking "Geez, John, think twice before talking or hire a social media manager". He's just learnt really well how to present himself to a vast number of people.
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That's one smart guy right there. You can take notes from him, basically.
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Isn't the '3 albums' thing just referring to albums they have composed with him - DT12, TA, D/T. ADTOE was entirely composed/arranged without Mangini and he laid his drums tracks to a pre programmed drum machine tracks from what I understand (?)
So that's probably what he means, even though he obviously played on 4.
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A friend of mine thinks the mix is pretty bad on the new single. ??? I'm not sure what he's hearing, not hearing or expects to hear. Not sure what he's using to listen, but it sounds pretty good to me on my noise cancelling Bose headphones. :tup
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Isn't the '3 albums' thing just referring to albums they have composed with him - DT12, TA, D/T. ADTOE was entirely composed/arranged without Mangini and he laid his drums tracks to a pre programmed drum machine tracks from what I understand (?)
So that's probably what he means, even though he obviously played on 4.
Doubtful, because TA was also completely written and arranged without any input from MM - just JP and JR did that one. Probably just a mistake JP made, thinking off the top of his head.
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Isn't the '3 albums' thing just referring to albums they have composed with him - DT12, TA, D/T. ADTOE was entirely composed/arranged without Mangini and he laid his drums tracks to a pre programmed drum machine tracks from what I understand (?)
So that's probably what he means, even though he obviously played on 4.
Doubtful, because TA was also completely written and arranged without any input from MM - just JP and JR did that one. Probably just a mistake JP made, thinking off the top of his head.
Agreed... silent man, you are definitely giving JP too much credit here ;) clearly just a silly mistake.
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I'm not a big instrumental music fan, but Petrucci is one gifted mo-fo :metal
I've always liked Portnoy's drumming so I'm looking forward to this.
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Isn't the '3 albums' thing just referring to albums they have composed with him - DT12, TA, D/T. ADTOE was entirely composed/arranged without Mangini and he laid his drums tracks to a pre programmed drum machine tracks from what I understand (?)
So that's probably what he means, even though he obviously played on 4.
Doubtful, because TA was also completely written and arranged without any input from MM - just JP and JR did that one. Probably just a mistake JP made, thinking off the top of his head.
But, did Petrucci program the drum parts as much as he did ADTOE or did he just program basic drum parts to give Mangini an idea of how the feel of the songs are to be?
I'm certain he worked with Mangini more so on the drums than ADTOE, as they had more time. Hence why he sees it's only 3 albums he's worked with him on.
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Isn't the '3 albums' thing just referring to albums they have composed with him - DT12, TA, D/T. ADTOE was entirely composed/arranged without Mangini and he laid his drums tracks to a pre programmed drum machine tracks from what I understand (?)
So that's probably what he means, even though he obviously played on 4.
Doubtful, because TA was also completely written and arranged without any input from MM - just JP and JR did that one. Probably just a mistake JP made, thinking off the top of his head.
But, did Petrucci program the drum parts as much as he did ADTOE or did he just program basic drum parts to give Mangini an idea of how the feel of the songs are to be?
I'm certain he worked with Mangini more so on the drums than ADTOE, as they had more time. Hence why he sees it's only 3 albums he's worked with him on.
Pretty sure he just remembered 3 when he said it, no big deal about that.
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Isn't the '3 albums' thing just referring to albums they have composed with him - DT12, TA, D/T. ADTOE was entirely composed/arranged without Mangini and he laid his drums tracks to a pre programmed drum machine tracks from what I understand (?)
So that's probably what he means, even though he obviously played on 4.
Doubtful, because TA was also completely written and arranged without any input from MM - just JP and JR did that one. Probably just a mistake JP made, thinking off the top of his head.
But, did Petrucci program the drum parts as much as he did ADTOE or did he just program basic drum parts to give Mangini an idea of how the feel of the songs are to be?
I'm certain he worked with Mangini more so on the drums than ADTOE, as they had more time. Hence why he sees it's only 3 albums he's worked with him on.
Petrucci did program the drum parts as a guide for ADTOE but to what extent MM put his own stamp on the songs is unknown to me.
However, JP did the same for Terminal Velocity and handed the recording for MP to learn and add his own flair to the songs. In fact, from what I have read JP, LaRue and MP did not play together on the album, they just recorded their own parts to the parts that JP programmed and I think this includes the bass parts.
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Isn't the '3 albums' thing just referring to albums they have composed with him - DT12, TA, D/T. ADTOE was entirely composed/arranged without Mangini and he laid his drums tracks to a pre programmed drum machine tracks from what I understand (?)
So that's probably what he means, even though he obviously played on 4.
Doubtful, because TA was also completely written and arranged without any input from MM - just JP and JR did that one. Probably just a mistake JP made, thinking off the top of his head.
But, did Petrucci program the drum parts as much as he did ADTOE or did he just program basic drum parts to give Mangini an idea of how the feel of the songs are to be?
I'm certain he worked with Mangini more so on the drums than ADTOE, as they had more time. Hence why he sees it's only 3 albums he's worked with him on.
Petrucci did program the drum parts as a guide for ADTOE but to what extent MM put his own stamp on the songs is unknown to me.
However, JP did the same for Terminal Velocity and handed the recording for MP to learn and add his own flair to the songs. In fact, from what I have read JP, LaRue and MP did not play together on the album, they just recorded their own parts to the parts that JP programmed and I think this includes the bass parts.
which, to be fair, is complicated or impossible or possibly prohibited in these current times I guess. (all three of them being in one room and recording together I mean)
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Isn't the '3 albums' thing just referring to albums they have composed with him - DT12, TA, D/T. ADTOE was entirely composed/arranged without Mangini and he laid his drums tracks to a pre programmed drum machine tracks from what I understand (?)
So that's probably what he means, even though he obviously played on 4.
Doubtful, because TA was also completely written and arranged without any input from MM - just JP and JR did that one. Probably just a mistake JP made, thinking off the top of his head.
But, did Petrucci program the drum parts as much as he did ADTOE or did he just program basic drum parts to give Mangini an idea of how the feel of the songs are to be?
I'm certain he worked with Mangini more so on the drums than ADTOE, as they had more time. Hence why he sees it's only 3 albums he's worked with him on.
Petrucci did program the drum parts as a guide for ADTOE but to what extent MM put his own stamp on the songs is unknown to me.
However, JP did the same for Terminal Velocity and handed the recording for MP to learn and add his own flair to the songs. In fact, from what I have read JP, LaRue and MP did not play together on the album, they just recorded their own parts to the parts that JP programmed and I think this includes the bass parts.
which, to be fair, is complicated or impossible or possibly prohibited in these current times I guess. (all three of them being in one room and recording together I mean)
Well, if JP and MP could be in the same room together, I don't see why DL couldn't also. But given that the final guitar tracks had been laid down already using the guide bass (done by JP and Jimmy T) and programmed drums, there was no need for JP to play with MP and/or DL.
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ah they actually were in the same room? Ok then, I rest my case. (was hard for me to make out in the videoclip. Ah well.)
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Isn't the '3 albums' thing just referring to albums they have composed with him - DT12, TA, D/T. ADTOE was entirely composed/arranged without Mangini and he laid his drums tracks to a pre programmed drum machine tracks from what I understand (?)
So that's probably what he means, even though he obviously played on 4.
Doubtful, because TA was also completely written and arranged without any input from MM - just JP and JR did that one. Probably just a mistake JP made, thinking off the top of his head.
But, did Petrucci program the drum parts as much as he did ADTOE or did he just program basic drum parts to give Mangini an idea of how the feel of the songs are to be?
I'm certain he worked with Mangini more so on the drums than ADTOE, as they had more time. Hence why he sees it's only 3 albums he's worked with him on.
Petrucci did program the drum parts as a guide for ADTOE but to what extent MM put his own stamp on the songs is unknown to me.
However, JP did the same for Terminal Velocity and handed the recording for MP to learn and add his own flair to the songs. In fact, from what I have read JP, LaRue and MP did not play together on the album, they just recorded their own parts to the parts that JP programmed and I think this includes the bass parts.
which, to be fair, is complicated or impossible or possibly prohibited in these current times I guess. (all three of them being in one room and recording together I mean)
Well, if JP and MP could be in the same room together, I don't see why DL couldn't also. But given that the final guitar tracks had been laid down already using the guide bass (done by JP and Jimmy T) and programmed drums, there was no need for JP to play with MP and/or DL.
I guess your referring to some sort of a bubble like the NBA? Agreed it could be done and I have suggested that DT could do the same thing like they did for DOT and sequester themselves for a month while the write.
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ah they actually were in the same room? Ok then, I rest my case. (was hard for me to make out in the videoclip. Ah well.)
Haven't you seen this photo of them?
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/mA05VEHwX958tLUxtcKxBJZgTWqUUwM-FV0av-ip3KtLzGDiehFaltxWGmy9N7J5VGTdnWKjx7VTomAe4NUv14-cphbSmz6pwbx8rKyDFKYwIoqMLX5FsbcvMdrcwZwUlG5RylbHfwXMY2NNlQHH8BmTVqMwTwSWPITvrsEz6AJALE6oAEnyGRWvRnTlHa-RiXlcK3dk2RPKrRpsm0lm30ovx-uiPvfQdSR0fX9_kq6_38eanW47hmGip4gbf4sV8PW2GQCpq_sVt5K8WmsXO0t6xdTAqcxg)
What's funny is (and not intentional), the pose/position of both guys very similar to one of their earliest photos together at Berklee, with MP behind the drum kit and JP just to the right of him - in the same room together, altho JM was also in the Berklee photo, but cropped out for comparison.
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ah they actually were in the same room? Ok then, I rest my case. (was hard for me to make out in the videoclip. Ah well.)
Maybe the pic was photoshopped but according to JP, they didn't play together. I dunno, maybe they jammed.
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The video shows them sitting together with JP playing an acoustic.
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ah they actually were in the same room? Ok then, I rest my case. (was hard for me to make out in the videoclip. Ah well.)
Maybe the pic was photoshopped but according to JP, they didn't play together. I dunno, maybe they jammed.
MP recorded the drums in JP studio (wich I believe is the new DT studio). They didn’t played/recorded together, so I believe this picture was taken while MP was recording his drum parts there.
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Another interview.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt4ZRU_A7_k&feature=youtu.be
EDIT: Dood interview. Liked the way he approached the MP talk again. Also, he mentioned TBOT solo as one of his DT favorites.
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I hope DT also takes the same approach to release the digital version of the album before the physical one, although JP hinted it won't be the case. But maybe he can change his mind about it after this experiment with his solo album.
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I hope DT also takes the same approach to release the digital version of the album before the physical one, although JP hinted it won't be the case. But maybe he can change his mind about it after this experiment with his solo album.
The thing is that he's pretty much self-releasing this through his own "label", so he can try these things as he wishes. With DT, they're signed to a real label (Inside Out/Sony), with a more conventional style of releasing things. I doubt it happens for DT15.
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Repeat spins have me enjoying the song more. JP and MP are really locked in tight together.
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A friend of mine thinks the mix is pretty bad on the new single. ??? I'm not sure what he's hearing, not hearing or expects to hear. Not sure what he's using to listen, but it sounds pretty good to me on my noise cancelling Bose headphones. :tup
Sounds like your friend thinks he's a music snob, but he doesn't know what he's talking about. The mix sounds fantastic.
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I like the new tune. It's got a late 90s/early 00s DT/LTE vibe to it.
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My review was published today: https://www.sonicperspectives.com/album-reviews/john-petrucci-terminal-velocity/
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Got it! :metal
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A friend of mine thinks the mix is pretty bad on the new single. ??? I'm not sure what he's hearing, not hearing or expects to hear. Not sure what he's using to listen, but it sounds pretty good to me on my noise cancelling Bose headphones. :tup
Sounds like your friend thinks he's a music snob, but he doesn't know what he's talking about. The mix sounds fantastic.
Yeah, he's extremely opinionated. Sometimes to a fault. However, he did recognize that it's a JP guitar instrumental album and that the drums and bass aren't as strong in the mix as he would like. To each his own I guess, but I think it's pretty well balanced.
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I would imagine the drums and bass aren’t as strong in the mix because...it’s a GUITAR instrumental album lol.
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I missed a little bit of oomph in the bass throughout the album, but listen closely and you can definitely hear Dave LaRue's distinguished bass lines. And you're right, this is Petrucci's solo album, first and foremost.
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The album is streaming now in my neck of the woods. And holy shit is Happy Song even BETTER than when I saw it performed live😍!
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My review was published today: https://www.sonicperspectives.com/album-reviews/john-petrucci-terminal-velocity/
Great review - eloquently written, and good insights into the musical landscape of the album. Best reivew of the album so far!
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Thank you so much!!!
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For those who missed the Newbury Comics pre-order, another colored vinyl version is available
https://www.newburycomics.com/products/john_petrucci-terminal_velocity_exclusive_2lp_with_autographed_postcard?fbclid=IwAR3pNGlwP5UOb5vuQHo1VpuCYb3emL9pHE2ttkxXZHq_0tuZ7F5vvnze45M&variant=32755466010729
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Only on song 2 but there is an undeniable chemistry between JP and MP. Insanely good playing from both and the best I’ve heard MP sound in ages.
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Gemini -- just wow
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OMG... :lol...When Sum 41 meets Satriani is the perfect description for Happy Song. And Happy Song is the perfect description for the way the song makes me feel.
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Like almost always with JP, I like this album more the more I listen to it...I personally think SA had more "storytelling", though. Not that that's what a solo album HAS to be about
Temple of Circadia had such a "DT opening riff"-vibe I was half expecting James to start singing :lol
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The album sounds Great! Really enjoying Gemini and Out of the Blue.
It appears as though that JP stated that the band is getting together this fall to start writing DT15. He said so in yesterday's interview with Ola Englund.
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Yeah the next Dream Theater album needs to sound like this.
Imagine how amazing a comeback it would have been if A Dramatic Turn of Events had this production.
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Only have one full spin and currently on spin two but I’ll just say this is some fantastic stuff! JP is incredible and IMO outside of SOAD this is MP’s best sounding output since he left DT.....he sounds great.
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Only have one full spin and currently on spin two but I’ll just say this is some fantastic stuff! JP is incredible and IMO outside of SOAD this is MP’s best sounding output since he left DT.....he sounds great.
the only irony about your opinion is that MP (see, I didn't use my usual mode of reference to him to not annoy some social justice warriors here :D ) never was with System Of A Down. (although he might have had some Chop Suey while he held down his job delivering Chinese food before WDADU was released)
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Only have one full spin and currently on spin two but I’ll just say this is some fantastic stuff! JP is incredible and IMO outside of SOAD this is MP’s best sounding output since he left DT.....he sounds great.
the only irony about your opinion is that MP (see, I didn't use my usual mode of reference to him to not annoy some social justice warriors here :D ) never was with System Of A Down. (although he might have had some Chop Suey while he held down his job delivering Chinese food before WDADU was released)
Similitude of A Dream.....The Neal Morse Band
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Only have one full spin and currently on spin two but I’ll just say this is some fantastic stuff! JP is incredible and IMO outside of SOAD this is MP’s best sounding output since he left DT.....he sounds great.
the only irony about your opinion is that MP (see, I didn't use my usual mode of reference to him to not annoy some social justice warriors here :D ) never was with System Of A Down. (although he might have had some Chop Suey while he held down his job delivering Chinese food before WDADU was released)
Similitude of A Dream.....The Neal Morse Band
aah right hehe, see that's the problem with acronyms, you can be so used to what you think is the most obvious meaning
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Loving TV and surpasses Suspended Animation. Shit, I miss MP's drumming with DT. Those little cymbal nuances and octaban use is what made DT's drumming memorable before Mangini.
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Yeah, MP is on fire with this one. I guess these two were born to play together. They bring out the best in each other.
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Yeah, MP is on fire with this one. I guess these two were born to play together. They bring out the best in each other.
There's a listening party that JP is hosting beginning in 15 minutes for those who don't know - https://twitter.com/JPetrucci/status/1299337879563444225?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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Only have one full spin and currently on spin two but I’ll just say this is some fantastic stuff! JP is incredible and IMO outside of SOAD this is MP’s best sounding output since he left DT.....he sounds great.
He was never in System of a Down 😝
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I'm loving this album! I think it has more variety than SA, also within the songs. It's proggier, no doubt. Also loving the mixing/production! Ok, maybe the bass could be a bit louder... (as a traditional complaint haha), but when Dave don't follow JP lines, we hear him clearly. And MP is wonderful here. It's cool to hear something different from him, like in Out of the Blue (also different for JP), and some bits in some places, like in Snake in My Boot (by the way, I love JP's Van Halen influence in this one and MP and JP laughing - very nice touch!) and some cool syncopation in Temple of Circadia. Anyone can hear that MP and JP has a great chemistry, which brings a lot of inspiration in MP playing, no doubt.
Also Gemini is amazing, that latin part is incredible! Also amazing is the solo on The Way Things Fall, JP/MP/LaRue really are killer on it!
Great great album!
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MP has had a lot of great output since he left DT, but this is truly special because he and JP have so much history together and the chemistry is incredibly tight. So awesome to hear these guys together on the same album again. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Not usually a fan of instrumental albums but it really is a good listen.
Great to hear JP and MP playing together again. Perfect fit.
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I posted this in my tab book thread as well, but I've transcribed the first two songs. More coming soon!
Terminal Velocity guitar tab (https://youtu.be/VsS86bJqmkM)
The Oddfather guitar tab (https://youtu.be/As0j9L_3VSo)
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Oh wow! Glassy-Eyed Zombies! Melting my face off! Some of the heaviest stuff I've ever heard from JP. The tone is just downright raunchy. Also love the tribute to Van Halen tone riffing in Snake in My Boot with a little bit of Satriani sprinkled into the soloing. So many other moments that caught my attention. One spin down, many more to go. :tup
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I gave it a listen this morning at work. Good stuff!
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I've listened to about half of the album so far and I like it better than SA. Great playing. Great chemistry between MP & JP. I know it's JP's album and he programmed the drum parts, but this is the best MP has sounded to me in a very long time.
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I've listened to about half of the album so far and I like it better than SA. Great playing. Great chemistry between MP & JP. I know it's JP's album and he programmed the drum parts, but this is the best MP has sounded to me in a very long time.
Well he's said that he gave MP the green light to add his flare to the drum parts. Plus, there's a high likelihood that JP's "influence" on drums and the arrangements he likes came from MP anyway.....JP knows his tendencies and abilities more than anyone and I'd assume he has that in the back of his mind when programming drums.....so, it was probably a custom fit base for MP to run with.
I agree that this is the best MP has sounded since he left DT.....except for his drumming in Similitude of a Dream......that was excellent as well. All the other stuff just feels/felt forced and generic. He sounds great in this.
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I posted this in my tab book thread as well, but I've transcribed the first two songs. More coming soon!
Terminal Velocity guitar tab (https://youtu.be/VsS86bJqmkM)
The Oddfather guitar tab (https://youtu.be/As0j9L_3VSo)
That's awesome!
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I’ve only gotten one listen in so far...but this lives up to the 15 year wait. Really digging the variety of tunes and the production sounds great.
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Is it just me or is this album technical as fuck?! Seems like JP is on top of his game, at least from a chops perspective. The album rips though. I'm so glad Happy Song is in my life now.
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I love Snake in My Boot. I wish DT had more moments like this that just groove and get you moving. I really enjoyed it
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I am not a big fan of instrumentals. I usually skip the DT instrumentals (except for Scenes), but this album is just so good. It's got head banging, heart feelies, grooviness and just plain delicious JP guitar.
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Listened to it thrice. Very good guitar playing as expected from JP, but I am not digging it as a guitar instrumental album. With the exception of the title track and a couple others, the songs felt like songs composed with vocals with the lead guitar just substituting for the voice. There is just a way of writing songs for a guitar, a way of writing riffs and melody that specifically has the guitar in mind, something that one can hear in Satch, Vai, Johnson, Al Dimeola, even the ITGD album. I can't feel it in this album.
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I am very slowly digesting this album and loving every minute of it! What ultimately draws me to DT is their melodic tones that JP and JR write so for this solo work, it's JP melodicism that puts a smile on my face.
MP's drum work is .......... well............ very MPish which means he's fucking awesome but I honestly don't think he's doing anything special that other talented drummers couldn't pull off. And to call this a collaboration or saying that there's chemistry between JP and MP is a stretch IMO. MP is nothing more than a session player for this effort. I mean, we're talking about 25 years of muscle memory.
Also, I'm really digging Out of the Blue!
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I am very slowly digesting this album and loving every minute of it! What ultimately draws me to DT is their melodic tones that JP and JR write so for this solo work, it's JP melodicism that puts a smile on my face.
MP's drum work is .......... well............ very MPish which means he's fucking awesome but I honestly don't think he's doing anything special that other talented drummers couldn't pull off. And to call this a collaboration or saying that there's chemistry between JP and MP is a stretch IMO. MP is nothing more than a session player for this effort. I mean, we're talking about 25 years of muscle memory.
Also, I'm really digging Out of the Blue!
I agree - there is a lot of recency bias going around lately. Is it great to hear JP & MP playing together? Yes. Is the album fantastic? IMO, Yes! But that is about 99 percent down to JP - he wrote all the songs, even outlined the drums and bass, though giving some freedom to MP and Dave during recording. In fact, people forget that all guitar tracks were finished before MP even entered the picutre and recoreded his drum tracks, nevertheless that JP stated - in interview with Ola E. if I recall correctly - that he even worked with MP on spesific drum parts because he wanted a segment to sound in a spesific way.
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Is it just me or is this album technical as fuck?! Seems like JP is on top of his game, at least from a chops perspective. The album rips though. I'm so glad Happy Song is in my life now.
if he is, then that's a great sign for DT15 (I'm just saying)
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Love The Oddfather, Gemini (that DiMeola latin section puts a huge smile on my face, glad John finally recorded this piece) and Glassy-Eyed Zombies the most. The 2:40 - 5:10 minute mark in Temple of Circadia are awesome. Chills. Feels like it belongs in a Dream Theater epic. John is on fire on this record. Wow, just wow. I love being a guitarist because it excites me to learn to play such epicness. Love all the grooves throughout the record. So much to unpack and allow to grow over time. Happy this is finally here. He was already amazing when Images and Words came, but in comparison to Suspended Animation, it is quite something to see how much he has evolved in so many areas. True passion exudes throughout. It was worth the 15 year wait.
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I am very slowly digesting this album and loving every minute of it! What ultimately draws me to DT is their melodic tones that JP and JR write so for this solo work, it's JP melodicism that puts a smile on my face.
MP's drum work is .......... well............ very MPish which means he's fucking awesome but I honestly don't think he's doing anything special that other talented drummers couldn't pull off. And to call this a collaboration or saying that there's chemistry between JP and MP is a stretch IMO. MP is nothing more than a session player for this effort. I mean, we're talking about 25 years of muscle memory.
Also, I'm really digging Out of the Blue!
I agree - there is a lot of recency bias going around lately. Is it great to hear JP & MP playing together? Yes. Is the album fantastic? IMO, Yes! But that is about 99 percent down to JP - he wrote all the songs, even outlined the drums and bass, though giving some freedom to MP and Dave during recording. In fact, people forget that all guitar tracks were finished before MP even entered the picutre and recoreded his drum tracks, nevertheless that JP stated - in interview with Ola E. if I recall correctly - that he even worked with MP on spesific drum parts because he wanted a segment to sound in a spesific way.
I think when people talk about the chemistry of MP and JP, in this case, it means the way that JP playing affected positively MP drumming. I think it's a totally fair assumption, just compare the drumming on Suspended Animation with the one on Terminal Velocity. I bet JP programed the basic drum patterns on the 2 album's demos and the drumming on TV is much more interesting (and Dave Dicenso is a tremendous drummer). Well, if you don't want to compare the results on different songs, I suggest to compare Happy Song and Glass-Eyed Zombies from the G3's 2018 tour with the versions on TV. To me, on TV they are better (and I'm also a Mangini fan and love what he does on DT albums):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnD5Xs1fR8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6-LnB9THlw
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They just sound good playing together, that’s chemistry. No one’s trying to give Portnoy a writing credit here. People are enjoying their musical heroes playing together and sounding great, that’s all.
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This album is so dang fun to listen to. I listened to some of the tracks with speaker mode on my phone at work yesterday while outdoor painting. I started laughing out loud in a positive way at how insane JP's guitar playing is! Went home later and piped it in through my big stereo and listened to it twice. His tone is absolutely amazing! I'm betting that he used his Purple Nebula Majesty on a majority of the tracks, which speaks volumes on how good of a guitar that must be.
He just keeps getting better and better as a musician and keeps raising the bar outdoing himself. Dave Larue is great as always, and MP absolutely knocked it out of the park on this release! :metal :coolio
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Instrumental albums are 'difficult' ones for me overall, and a heavy one at my age adds even more difficulty. That said, I really enjoyed my first go round. Lots of LTE 'moments' in this, really loved 'Out of the Blue' due to the tempo change, and there were moments that would fit into a DT album. And...Portnoy added to my enjoyment.
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I am very slowly digesting this album and loving every minute of it! What ultimately draws me to DT is their melodic tones that JP and JR write so for this solo work, it's JP melodicism that puts a smile on my face.
MP's drum work is .......... well............ very MPish which means he's fucking awesome but I honestly don't think he's doing anything special that other talented drummers couldn't pull off. And to call this a collaboration or saying that there's chemistry between JP and MP is a stretch IMO. MP is nothing more than a session player for this effort. I mean, we're talking about 25 years of muscle memory.
Also, I'm really digging Out of the Blue!
I agree - there is a lot of recency bias going around lately. Is it great to hear JP & MP playing together? Yes. Is the album fantastic? IMO, Yes! But that is about 99 percent down to JP - he wrote all the songs, even outlined the drums and bass, though giving some freedom to MP and Dave during recording. In fact, people forget that all guitar tracks were finished before MP even entered the picutre and recoreded his drum tracks, nevertheless that JP stated - in interview with Ola E. if I recall correctly - that he even worked with MP on spesific drum parts because he wanted a segment to sound in a spesific way.
I think when people talk about the chemistry of MP and JP, in this case, it means the way that JP playing affected positively MP drumming. I think it's a totally fair assumption, just compare the drumming on Suspended Animation with the one on Terminal Velocity. I bet JP programed the basic drum patterns on the 2 album's demos and the drumming on TV is much more interesting (and Dave Dicenso is a tremendous drummer). Well, if you don't want to compare the results on different songs, I suggest to compare Happy Song and Glass-Eyed Zombies from the G3's 2018 tour with the versions on TV. To me, on TV they are better (and I'm also a Mangini fan and love what he does on DT albums):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnD5Xs1fR8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6-LnB9THlw
I get where you're going but just remember that the point you're making is based on a 3 piece live band recorded through cell phone audio/video vs. a polished production with rhythm guitars.
And with that said, I love what JP has done with the rhythm guitars on this album giving excellent context to the melodies on the songs! :metal
Normally in DT songs, I am not that fond of rhythm guitars because they have a keyboardist but for this piece of work, it's perfect.
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I love Snake in My Boot. I wish DT had more moments like this that just groove and get you moving. I really enjoyed it
Viper King is cool.
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I love Snake in My Boot. I wish DT had more moments like this that just groove and get you moving. I really enjoyed it
Viper King is cool.
nice if you like either one, I guess.
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Anytime I listen to The Oddfather I think it is a Lost Not Forgotten demo.
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I just listen the album. Well, the title song is not that good but the rest is amazing. It's like JP did everything he wanted he couldn't do with DT.
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I just listen the album. Well, the title song is not that good but the rest is amazing. It's like JP did everything he wanted he couldn't do with DT.
Well - yeah - isn't that the idea of doing a solo album? :azn:
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John Petrucci - Snake in My Boot Guitar Tab (https://youtu.be/3xhVVMxrSXw)
I'll probably do Happy Song or Gemini next!
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Why hello there!
You might remember me from such great posts as "Train of Thought: Dream Theater's Last Great Album" and. . . well, that's it.
Anyway, I've reviewed Terminal Velocity!
https://uncannymetal.com/2020/08/31/honest-review-john-petrucci-terminal-velocity/
A small snippet:
"Terminal Velocity, even unconsciously, comes together as an album celebrating both music and friendship. It may not have been intentional while writing the album, but it certainly feels that way when listening to it."
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Nice review Troy McClure! :lol
Seriously though, that is a good read and I agree that this album celebrates music and friendship. I would like to add too is that JP's tone is out of this world and he does some stuff that I've never heard him do before. Insane skill and emotion in a melting pot.
If anyone has been saying that there's other guitarists that top Petrucci, this album makes a statement with a "hold my beer" .. 🍺
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This just happened...I interviewed John for 25 minutes today!
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Nice review Troy McClure! :lol
Seriously though, that is a good read and I agree that this album celebrates music and friendship. I would like to add too is that JP's tone is out of this world and he does some stuff that I've never heard him do before. Insane skill and emotion in a melting pot.
If anyone has been saying that there's other guitarists that top Petrucci, this album makes a statement with a "hold my beer" .. 🍺
Thanks, meng! Yeah, I can say this album took me by surprise and definitely would rank Petrucci among the greats.
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John Petrucci - Happy Song Guitar Tab (https://youtu.be/toAwi3Yh4GY)
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This just happened...I interviewed John for 25 minutes today!
Dude, that's great! I've msged his FB to get him to see my review (and ideally share it). Can't wait to see the video.
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This just happened...I interviewed John for 25 minutes today!
Dude, that's great! I've msged his FB to get him to see my review (and ideally share it). Can't wait to see the video.
I enjoyed your review. Try his publicist, he might be able to share your review. They haven't shared mine! Grrrr...
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This just happened...I interviewed John for 25 minutes today!
Dude, that's great! I've msged his FB to get him to see my review (and ideally share it). Can't wait to see the video.
I enjoyed your review. Try his publicist, he might be able to share your review. They haven't shared mine! Grrrr...
I tried to PM you but your inbox is full. Feel free to PM me back.
And thanks for the kind words about the review!
To be honest, I've been looking for a contact of his publicist or record label. But because he independently released it, I've had a tough time finding something. Would you happen to have his publicist's contact?
If you're uncomfortable sharing, it's no big deal either.
I can't wait to see your review pop, either way!
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This just happened...I interviewed John for 25 minutes today!
Dude, that's great! I've msged his FB to get him to see my review (and ideally share it). Can't wait to see the video.
I enjoyed your review. Try his publicist, he might be able to share your review. They haven't shared mine! Grrrr...
I tried to PM you but your inbox is full. Feel free to PM me back.
And thanks for the kind words about the review!
To be honest, I've been looking for a contact of his publicist or record label. But because he independently released it, I've had a tough time finding something. Would you happen to have his publicist's contact?
If you're uncomfortable sharing, it's no big deal either.
I can't wait to see your review pop, either way!
I sent you a private message.
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I sent you a private message.
I can't respond to you because your inbox is full! :D :D :D
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I sent you a private message.
I can't respond to you because your inbox is full! :D :D :D
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I cleaned it up now!
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https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=308114247129704&extid=p3upP9xbKI18DQZW
very cool chat with JP, MP and Dave LaRue.
Around 33 minute mark, there's a funny moment/reaction where JP explains why MP didn't play on his first album, but played on this one. :lol
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Yeah, I caught about the last 20 mins of FB Live. It was great! :hefdaddy Um, we've known since 2005 why MP didn't play on that album. Same reason MM didn't play on this album :lol
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Anyone else enjoying the new JP album more than the last 3 Dream Theater albums?
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Anyone else enjoying the new JP album more than the last 3 Dream Theater albums?
No.
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Anyone else enjoying the new JP album more than the last 3 Dream Theater albums?
No.
Hell no.
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Anyone else enjoying the new JP album more than the last 3 Dream Theater albums?
I’m enjoying the drumming a lot more. ;)
The overall production is a step up too, even if the bass is a bit low in the mix. But that makes sense as it’s guitar album.
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Anyone else enjoying the new JP album more than the last 3 Dream Theater albums?
Absolutely not, no. (but if you do, go ahead)
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Anyone else enjoying the new JP album more than the last 3 Dream Theater albums?
Ummm. Heck no! Even though I like the JP album...
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Anyone else enjoying the new JP album more than the last 3 Dream Theater albums?
Definitely.
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Anyone else enjoying the new JP album more than the last 3 Dream Theater albums?
No.
Hell no.
No way Jose.
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Anyone else enjoying the new JP album more than the last 3 Dream Theater albums?
I like it better than DT12 and TA. Same goes for James solo work during that time. However, D/T is a great album. TV is different in a lot of ways because of the solo aspect but it's difficult to compare the two. I like everything on both albums. Can't say that about DT12 and TA.
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Anyone else enjoying the new JP album more than the last 3 Dream Theater albums?
100%
I have way more fun listening to JP's album then I ever had listening to DT12 and TA and after a promising start I just don't see myself going back to Distance Over Time a lot.
JP's album sounds better, more organic and I just love MP's drumming.
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John Petrucci - Gemini Guitar Tab (https://youtu.be/3GVfWp-KsVA)
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Anyone else enjoying the new JP album more than the last 3 Dream Theater albums?
No but I don't like listening to 100% instrumental guitar solo music.
I'd much rather listen to ADTOE, DT, TA and D/T
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Terminal Velocity - John Petrucci - Split Screen Full Band (ProgmaX Studios)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crwsDD-4yms
Man, it's such a HUGE difference being able to SEE the stuff JP plays. You think that maybe it sounds simple or whatever but then you actually watch it happening and it's totally mind-blowing. He's all over the neck, all kinds of shapes and positions, the stamina, and so many techniques in one song... nearly every song, really.
... and this isn't even JP playing (although it looks like he might be playing bass in this video)! So many Youtube players out there are just out of this world.
Wow.
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Anyone else enjoying the new JP album more than the last 3 Dream Theater albums?
100%
I have way more fun listening to JP's album then I ever had listening to DT12 and TA and after a promising start I just don't see myself going back to Distance Over Time a lot.
JP's album sounds better, more organic and I just love MP's drumming.
Agree 100% as well. The 2 of them together playing is just
magic.
Chris
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Anyone else enjoying the new JP album more than the last 3 Dream Theater albums?
Easily 100% yes. I liked ADTOE, since then,
No thanks.
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Yeah, MP is on fire with this one. I guess these two were born to play together. They bring out the best in each other.
Couldn’t agree more. Let’s hope this isn’t the last we hear them together.
Chris
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Terminal Velocity - John Petrucci - Split Screen Full Band (ProgmaX Studios)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crwsDD-4yms
Man, it's such a HUGE difference being able to SEE the stuff JP plays. You think that maybe it sounds simple or whatever but then you actually watch it happening and it's totally mind-blowing. He's all over the neck, all kinds of shapes and positions, the stamina, and so many techniques in one song... nearly every song, really.
... and this isn't even JP playing (although it looks like he might be playing bass in this video)! So many Youtube players out there are just out of this world.
Wow.
Whoa, that was awesome! There are some amazing players out there. How the back do they learn this stuff so fast and fluently?? Ridiculously high level of playing.. :tup
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I guess the comparisons to Dream Theater were inevitable, but it's not a 1 to 1 comparison. Feels a little like comparing chicken and salmon. They're both meat, sure, but the similarities end there. One isn't "better" or "worse" than the other any more than a 4-door sedan is better or worse than a 2-door coupe. They'll both get you where you want to go.
I like them both for what they are. I guess I probably like the Dream Theater stuff more because I'm not a big listener of instrumental music.
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Terminal Velocity - John Petrucci - Split Screen Full Band (ProgmaX Studios)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crwsDD-4yms
Man, it's such a HUGE difference being able to SEE the stuff JP plays. You think that maybe it sounds simple or whatever but then you actually watch it happening and it's totally mind-blowing. He's all over the neck, all kinds of shapes and positions, the stamina, and so many techniques in one song... nearly every song, really.
... and this isn't even JP playing (although it looks like he might be playing bass in this video)! So many Youtube players out there are just out of this world.
Wow.
Whoa, that was awesome! There are some amazing players out there. How the back do they learn this stuff so fast and fluently?? Ridiculously high level of playing.. :tup
I’d have to imagine not having full-time jobs would play into it.
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Good point Dream Team, I can relate. If I spent as much time playing guitar as I have running a weedeater and other power equipment, I would have been a freakin rock star a long time ago, lol!
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I’d have to imagine not having full-time jobs would play into it.
Good point Dream Team, I can relate. If I spent as much time playing guitar as I have running a weedeater and other power equipment, I would have been a freakin rock star a long time ago, lol!
Noice. If it weren't for The Machine holding us back we're *all* rock stars. That's my story as to why I'm not in Bon Jovi and I'm sticking to it.
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It sounds like you have a lot of rage against the machine. I hear ya man!
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Worked in the yard today and had time to listen to TV and DOT back 2 back. I equally enjoyed both and feel grateful that my musical maturity allows me to appreciate both DT and JP's solo work at the same time, without prejudice.
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Anyone else enjoying the new JP album more than the last 3 Dream Theater albums?
100%
I have way more fun listening to JP's album then I ever had listening to DT12 and TA and after a promising start I just don't see myself going back to Distance Over Time a lot.
JP's album sounds better, more organic and I just love MP's drumming.
Agree 100% as well. The 2 of them together playing is just
magic.
Chris
It really is magic. I was thrilled to hear them together again. I'm hopeful this experience was a lot of fun for them, and sparked the desire to possibly work on another album JP later. Or maybe even more LTE...
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John Petrucci - Out of the Blue Guitar Tab (https://youtu.be/Pu5n5is3UlQ)
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John Petrucci - Glassy-Eyed Zombies Guitar Tab (https://youtu.be/KwkxAkJL1o8)
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Keep'em tabs coming, astonishing work! Very impressive
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Keep'em tabs coming, astonishing work! Very impressive
Thanks! My goal is to have the remaining two songs finished by early next week.
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Keep'em tabs coming, astonishing work! Very impressive
Thanks! My goal is to have the remaining two songs finished by early next week.
believe it or not, your tabs are interesting to follow. Even for me not being a guitarist. Keep up the great work.
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Keep'em tabs coming, astonishing work! Very impressive
Thanks! My goal is to have the remaining two songs finished by early next week.
believe it or not, your tabs are interesting to follow. Even for me not being a guitarist. Keep up the great work.
Thanks, that's great to hear. Just one more song to go!
John Petrucci - The Way Things Fall Guitar Tab (https://youtu.be/0adXVYwXps0)
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Just wanted to chime in again as I can’t believe how good this album is. I was excited for it as it’s Petrucci but, Satriani aside, I’m not a huge guitar instrumental album guy. I liked Suspended Animation but it’s not something I love and go back to and I expected to feel similarly about this one. It’s so much better though imo and getting close to being LTE level. Just keeps getting better every time I hear it and JP’s playing is insane, I wasn’t sure he had this in him anymore. Had it on in the car today and it’s just a perfect album to blast in car with the sun shining.
Hugely surprising album for me and may perhaps be moving towards being my album of the year.
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Just wanted to chime in again as I can’t believe how good this album is. I was excited for it as it’s Petrucci but, Satriani aside, I’m not a huge guitar instrumental album guy. I liked Suspended Animation but it’s not something I love and go back to and I expected to feel similarly about this one. It’s so much better though imo and getting close to being LTE level. Just keeps getting better every time I hear it and JP’s playing is insane, I wasn’t sure he had this in him anymore. Had it on in the car today and it’s just a perfect album to blast in car with the sun shining.
Hugely surprising album for me and may perhaps be moving towards being my album of the year.
I really agree with this! I bought it to support JP, and thought there would be some juicy stuff...but it is a record I keep going back to, with songs I am falling in love with. I need a voice and lyrics to enjoy music, but he broke the mold here.. :metal
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I'm here to jump on the bandwagon about this record. Each time I turn it on (and I turn it on a lot!) it sounds so fresh. I, too am not a big guitar instrumental guy but JP's sense of melody is on full display here, as I "sing" the melodies in each song as if they had lyrics. Each piece has its own identity and they're not so long that you lose focus, he keeps things interesting. As I listen I say to myself, how can anyone be better?
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Finally got a chance to check this out today. Very nice, more focused than his first solo album IMO. Nice to hear JP and MP together again as well. Maybe it will lead to an LTE reunion...one can dream!
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Very happy to have finished transcribing the album! The release date was great timing, as I was in between tab book projects. For anyone interested in the free tabs and hasn't already contacted me, please email me at maytropolees@comcast.net or countuscany@gmail.com.
John Petrucci - Temple of Circadia Guitar Tab (https://youtu.be/ePB-bp66P8I)
Playlist of all the songs: Terminal Velocity Guitar Tabs (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNYXfMfhF-A-gXlRIC8iB53X0BJnttQL2)
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Very happy to have finished transcribing the album! The release date was great timing, as I was in between tab book projects. For anyone interested in the free tabs and hasn't already contacted me, please email me at maytropolees@comcast.net or countuscany@gmail.com.
John Petrucci - Temple of Circadia Guitar Tab (https://youtu.be/ePB-bp66P8I)
Playlist of all the songs: Terminal Velocity Guitar Tabs (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNYXfMfhF-A-gXlRIC8iB53X0BJnttQL2)
Dude - you do really fine work!!!! :metal
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Anyone else enjoying the new JP album more than the last 3 Dream Theater albums?
If I had to rank the 4 albums you're referring to here:
1. Distance Over Time
2. Terminal Velocity
3. Dream Theater
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Hey Kirk, tell us how you really feel! :biggrin:
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My interview with John Petrucci was published today. It's my first video interview, so cut me some slack you guys...but I'm eager to read your comments about it:
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-john-petrucci/?fbclid=IwAR1nE4AqIH62Fjf2ehkMeInk7ZDumXDF4HlHc8ZInGkRrY7181B6A_eJKoM
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My interview with John Petrucci was published today. It's my first video interview, so cut me some slack you guys...but I'm eager to read your comments about it:
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-john-petrucci/?fbclid=IwAR1nE4AqIH62Fjf2ehkMeInk7ZDumXDF4HlHc8ZInGkRrY7181B6A_eJKoM
That was enjoyable, thank you for sharing. :tup
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My interview with John Petrucci was published today. It's my first video interview, so cut me some slack you guys...but I'm eager to read your comments about it:
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-john-petrucci/?fbclid=IwAR1nE4AqIH62Fjf2ehkMeInk7ZDumXDF4HlHc8ZInGkRrY7181B6A_eJKoM
That was enjoyable, thank you for sharing. :tup
Thank you!!! I only had 20 minutes with him, but tried to make the best of it...
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My interview with John Petrucci was published today. It's my first video interview, so cut me some slack you guys...but I'm eager to read your comments about it:
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-john-petrucci/?fbclid=IwAR1nE4AqIH62Fjf2ehkMeInk7ZDumXDF4HlHc8ZInGkRrY7181B6A_eJKoM
That was enjoyable, thank you for sharing. :tup
Thank you!!! I only had 20 minutes with him, but tried to make the best of it...
Yeah, great interview. Really interesting questions too. Thanks! :tup
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So JP thought Zero Tolerance wans't good enough for the album. I've heard it recently and I agree.
Congratulations, Rodrigo, very good interview in a short time!
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So JP thought Zero Tolerance wans't good enough for the album. I've heard it recently and I agree.
Congratulations, Rodrigo, very good interview in a short time!
Thanks. And I have to agree with John...the material on Terminal Velocity is miles ahead of Zero Tolerance.
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Anyone else enjoying the new JP album more than the last 3 Dream Theater albums?
If I had to rank the 4 albums you're referring to here:
1. Distance Over Time
2. Terminal Velocity
3. Dream Theater
The Astonishing
I don't know if I'll ever listen to TA ever again. DT12 was so bland, cold, and uninspiring, I never listen to IT. I give DoT points for trying, and at least they sound a little better on that album. The only reason why ADTOE alright is because the drums are fashioned to be similar to MP's drumming, but if MP played the drums under that music it would sound 10x better; too many awkward or jarring moments that don't seem to make much sense, compositionally-speaking. Too much "look we can just play all this complex stuff now in crazy odd-time signatures with no restrictions" and it sounds cold and mechanical. A lot of people say Mangini is robotic or stiff sounding, but I think there's no one in the band that can re-create the energy, groove, and flow that MP brought to the band's sound. I'm all for change and evolution in a band's sound, but if there's a lineup change, it can make or break the band, depending on how the band operates and the direction their new music goes. I think similarly with Opeth, once the classic lineup of My Arms/Still Life through Ghost Reveries broke up, it hasn't been the same since. If DT called themselves JP & Friends and Opeth was Akerfeldt's solo band, I would be a lot less critical of the output.
On Terminal Velocity, I hear the spirit of Dream Theater, for the first time since I first listened to BC&SL 11 years ago. Sometimes I hear sprinkles of it on Neal Morse related projects, but TV was the icing too (but not the cake.) I'm still digesting the album, as it sent me on a DT kick so I haven't listened to the album enough yet to speak on individual tracks, but it sounds great, I look forward to listening to it again, can't really say that about DT lately.
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Anyone else enjoying the new JP album more than the last 3 Dream Theater albums?
If I had to rank the 4 albums you're referring to here:
1. Distance Over Time
2. Terminal Velocity
3. Dream Theater
The Astonishing
I don't know if I'll ever listen to TA ever again. DT12 was so bland, cold, and uninspiring, I never listen to IT. I give DoT points for trying, and at least they sound a little better on that album. The only reason why ADTOE alright is because the drums are fashioned to be similar to MP's drumming, but if MP played the drums under that music it would sound 10x better; too many awkward or jarring moments that don't seem to make much sense, compositionally-speaking. Too much "look we can just play all this complex stuff now in crazy odd-time signatures with no restrictions" and it sounds cold and mechanical. A lot of people say Mangini is robotic or stiff sounding, but I think there's no one in the band that can re-create the energy, groove, and flow that MP brought to the band's sound. I'm all for change and evolution in a band's sound, but if there's a lineup change, it can make or break the band, depending on how the band operates and the direction their new music goes. I think similarly with Opeth, once the classic lineup of My Arms/Still Life through Ghost Reveries broke up, it hasn't been the same since. If DT called themselves JP & Friends and Opeth was Akerfeldt's solo band, I would be a lot less critical of the output.
On Terminal Velocity, I hear the spirit of Dream Theater, for the first time since I first listened to BC&SL 11 years ago. Sometimes I hear sprinkles of it on Neal Morse related projects, but TV was the icing too (but not the cake.) I'm still digesting the album, as it sent me on a DT kick so I haven't listened to the album enough yet to speak on individual tracks, but it sounds great, I look forward to listening to it again, can't really say that about DT lately.
Dude, you really DISLIKE the idea of Dream Theater without Mike Portnoy. :rollin
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Dude, you really DISLIKE the idea of Dream Theater without Mike Portnoy. :rollin
It's not for lack of giving Mangini-era DT a chance. Four chances in fact, and they got me with ADTOE because it was the closest to sounding like something MP might have been a part of, so it didn't seem like they lost a step, but in hindsight, ADTOE and beyond was a big drop off in quality, in writing and also production. For me, Mangini's style is too stiff with no pocket, and is just a hired gun (and seems to act that way) instead of being a contributing member (yes, I know he wrote some stuff for DoT). I think MP was right about needing a break, even if it was just him who was burnt out on the band, but the rest of the band needs the grounding of MP to make their overly complex ideas work without sounding like a computer playing the music. Think about it, a 2-5 year break would have ended in 2012-2015, we'd probably already have had 2-3 new DT albums and they would all have been better than The Astonishing or DT12.
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Dude, you really DISLIKE the idea of Dream Theater without Mike Portnoy. :rollin
It's not for lack of giving Mangini-era DT a chance. Four chances in fact, and they got me with ADTOE because it was the closest to sounding like something MP might have been a part of, so it didn't seem like they lost a step, but in hindsight, ADTOE and beyond was a big drop off in quality, in writing and also production. For me, Mangini's style is too stiff with no pocket, and is just a hired gun (and seems to act that way) instead of being a contributing member (yes, I know he wrote some stuff for DoT). I think MP was right about needing a break, even if it was just him who was burnt out on the band, but the rest of the band needs the grounding of MP to make their overly complex ideas work without sounding like a computer playing the music. Think about it, a 2-5 year break would have ended in 2012-2015, we'd probably already have had 2-3 new DT albums and they would all have been better than The Astonishing or DT12.
Somehow I doubt you have given the MM era a chance. You sound like you're just star-struck with MP. It was AFTER MP left the band that JR and JLB got to breath and to me, that gave new life to the music.
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Dude, you really DISLIKE the idea of Dream Theater without Mike Portnoy. :rollin
It's not for lack of giving Mangini-era DT a chance. Four chances in fact, and they got me with ADTOE because it was the closest to sounding like something MP might have been a part of, so it didn't seem like they lost a step, but in hindsight, ADTOE and beyond was a big drop off in quality, in writing and also production. For me, Mangini's style is too stiff with no pocket, and is just a hired gun (and seems to act that way) instead of being a contributing member (yes, I know he wrote some stuff for DoT). I think MP was right about needing a break, even if it was just him who was burnt out on the band, but the rest of the band needs the grounding of MP to make their overly complex ideas work without sounding like a computer playing the music. Think about it, a 2-5 year break would have ended in 2012-2015, we'd probably already have had 2-3 new DT albums and they would all have been better than The Astonishing or DT12.
Or they could be horrible like SC or BCSL. We don't know.
I will not buy this so easily. :)
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Dude, you really DISLIKE the idea of Dream Theater without Mike Portnoy. :rollin
It's not for lack of giving Mangini-era DT a chance. Four chances in fact, and they got me with ADTOE because it was the closest to sounding like something MP might have been a part of, so it didn't seem like they lost a step, but in hindsight, ADTOE and beyond was a big drop off in quality, in writing and also production. For me, Mangini's style is too stiff with no pocket, and is just a hired gun (and seems to act that way) instead of being a contributing member (yes, I know he wrote some stuff for DoT). I think MP was right about needing a break, even if it was just him who was burnt out on the band, but the rest of the band needs the grounding of MP to make their overly complex ideas work without sounding like a computer playing the music. Think about it, a 2-5 year break would have ended in 2012-2015, we'd probably already have had 2-3 new DT albums and they would all have been better than The Astonishing or DT12.
Somehow I doubt you have given the MM era a chance. You sound like you're just star-struck with MP. It was AFTER MP left the band that JR and JLB got to breath and to me, that gave new life to the music.
Well I have. I've bought every DT album with Mangini the week, if not the day, of release. I've listened to them each many times. For a while, I thought it was my music tastes changing, as I've moved away from progressive rock as my main listening pleasure for a while now, but I still get a kick out of every DT album from WDADU all the way through BC&SL. Both those last 2 MP albums are great albums, not their best, but still great. Still trying new things, whether you like it or not. Since then, there has been no evolution in the band's sound. It was established on ADTOE and DT12, basically a nostalgia trip through IaW/Awake every time, with some of the modern sounds mixed in, a particular formula repeated for 4 albums now, and no where near as good as those 2 albums.
From a business standpoint, while they're still crying all the way to the bank, the band's popularity and sales, from what I've seen, has been steadily declining since MP left. From what I can tell, SC and BC&SL was the band's peak in popularity this side of 1992-1994. While it may be my perspective, everyone I know personally who casually enjoyed DT when MP was still in the band, has completely dropped out and have no interest in post-MP DT. Everywhere I look online, there are countless fans expressing the same criticisms I am here, and much more harshly than I am. So I am not the only one who is critical or has lost interest in the band's newer material; or feels very hurt towards the band for ruining (imo of course) the band's canon instead of honoring a founding member's wishes to take a break to find new inspiration, perhaps heal wounds as time heals all (cough JLB) and come back recharged.
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Or they could be horrible like SC or BCSL. We don't know.
I will not buy this so easily. :)
We don't know, but with a break and possibly new perspectives, MP likely wouldn't have wanted to repeat what they did on those two albums. Let's not also forget, rock and metal has taken a tumble these last 10 years, if you look outside the bubble of these genres. No where near as popular as it was in the 90s/00s. The musical landscape was a lot different in 2015 or so, compared to the late-2000s, so if they came back with MP around 2015, they might have tried different things. MP has stated they always tried not to repeat themselves, or sound similar to the previous album. I have to imagine many of the ideas from the last 4 albums would be on these hypothetical 2010s DT albums with MP, as he was more of the visionary in the band than JP is, as well as the arranger of many of DT's songs. I've always acknowledged that there is gold in the Mangini albums, but it's clear that no one in the band currently are creative song-writers/composers, and lots of the magic in the first 10 albums is because of MP's input, whatever it may have been. This can be verified with the many behind the scenes/making-of vids released by DT and Neal Morse in years past.
I disagree that SC and BC&SL are 'horrible'. They're pretty fun records, and really not much of a step down from the previous few albums. You can tell a little that they seem a little burnt out (MP obviously) and JLB is like a hired gun on Black Clouds, so a break wouldn't have been the worst decision.
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Or they could be horrible like SC or BCSL. We don't know.
I will not buy this so easily. :)
We don't know, but with a break and possibly new perspectives, MP likely wouldn't have wanted to repeat what they did on those two albums. Let's not also forget, rock and metal has taken a tumble these last 10 years, if you look outside the bubble of these genres. No where near as popular as it was in the 90s/00s. The musical landscape was a lot different in 2015 or so, compared to the late-2000s, so if they came back with MP around 2015, they might have tried different things. MP has stated they always tried not to repeat themselves, or sound similar to the previous album. I have to imagine many of the ideas from the last 4 albums would be on these hypothetical 2010s DT albums with MP, as he was more of the visionary in the band than JP is, as well as the arranger of many of DT's songs. I've always acknowledged that there is gold in the Mangini albums, but it's clear that no one in the band currently are creative song-writers/composers, and lots of the magic in the first 10 albums is because of MP's input, whatever it may have been. This can be verified with the many behind the scenes/making-of vids released by DT and Neal Morse in years past.
I disagree that SC and BC&SL are 'horrible'. They're pretty fun records, and really not much of a step down from the previous few albums. You can tell a little that they seem a little burnt out (MP obviously) and JLB is like a hired gun on Black Clouds, so a break wouldn't have been the worst decision.
Well, buying and listening to records is not necessarily give them a chance. It takes a little more than that, like an open mind.
Considering everything you wrote, your opinion about MP and about the other guys, I really think that the possibility of you enjoying anything done by the band without MP is practically zero.
But it's OK. No one have to like anything, at the end of the day.
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We don't know, but with a break and possibly new perspectives, MP likely wouldn't have wanted to repeat what they did on those two albums. Let's not also forget, rock and metal has taken a tumble these last 10 years, if you look outside the bubble of these genres. No where near as popular as it was in the 90s/00s. The musical landscape was a lot different in 2015 or so, compared to the late-2000s, so if they came back with MP around 2015, they might have tried different things. MP has stated they always tried not to repeat themselves, or sound similar to the previous album. I have to imagine many of the ideas from the last 4 albums would be on these hypothetical 2010s DT albums with MP, as he was more of the visionary in the band than JP is, as well as the arranger of many of DT's songs. I've always acknowledged that there is gold in the Mangini albums, but it's clear that no one in the band currently are creative song-writers/composers, and lots of the magic in the first 10 albums is because of MP's input, whatever it may have been. This can be verified with the many behind the scenes/making-of vids released by DT and Neal Morse in years past.
I disagree that SC and BC&SL are 'horrible'. They're pretty fun records, and really not much of a step down from the previous few albums. You can tell a little that they seem a little burnt out (MP obviously) and JLB is like a hired gun on Black Clouds, so a break wouldn't have been the worst decision.
I have to disagree big time with the bolded. No matter how much MP has told everyone how big of a composer he is, the main writers for DT have always been JP and KM (at first)/JR (since 99). This is no dig at MP, he's clearly a great arranger and producer, not mentioning his drumming, but to say there's no creative songwriter in the band and that Mike was responsible for most of the magic in previous albums is a big big big stretch. If you watch any of the making of documentaries that you are refering to, Mike's musical contributions are almost none, he's there working with stuff other people came up with and he's saying "let's repeat this, go back to this section here, you can double this riff here" and so on. That's what an arranger/producer does (and he's very good at it), but he's in no way capable of handling the bulk of the writing himself for any band, or he would've done it already by now. Every band he's been a part of has had major songriters not named Portnoy (Petrucci, Moore, Rudess, N. Morse, S. Morse, Bumblefoot, Sherinian, Kotzen, the list goes on).
Btw, it's completely fine if you don't like MM era albums, and I'm sorry you can't enjoy them as many people here do (as well as lots of people actually attending the concerts), but you don't have to act like MP was the only good thing to ever happen for this band.
As for the 5 year break thing, it's not even clear what really happened there, as IIRC, he even said that wasn't completely true. What we do know is that he tried to get the A7X gig permanently and gambled with DT for it. It didn't work.
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Considering everything you wrote, your opinion about MP and about the other guys, I really think that the possibility of you enjoying anything done by the band without MP is practically zero.
On the contrary, I do enjoy some of ADTOE, and a couple of tracks off the other 3 albums each. The rest is littered with cool parts among (what sound like to me) tired, rehashed, stiff, and cold compositions, with JLB's vocals drenched in effects to cover his deteriorating vocal abilities (I assume)
We don't know, but with a break and possibly new perspectives, MP likely wouldn't have wanted to repeat what they did on those two albums. Let's not also forget, rock and metal has taken a tumble these last 10 years, if you look outside the bubble of these genres. No where near as popular as it was in the 90s/00s. The musical landscape was a lot different in 2015 or so, compared to the late-2000s, so if they came back with MP around 2015, they might have tried different things. MP has stated they always tried not to repeat themselves, or sound similar to the previous album. I have to imagine many of the ideas from the last 4 albums would be on these hypothetical 2010s DT albums with MP, as he was more of the visionary in the band than JP is, as well as the arranger of many of DT's songs. I've always acknowledged that there is gold in the Mangini albums, but it's clear that no one in the band currently are creative song-writers/composers, and lots of the magic in the first 10 albums is because of MP's input, whatever it may have been. This can be verified with the many behind the scenes/making-of vids released by DT and Neal Morse in years past.
I disagree that SC and BC&SL are 'horrible'. They're pretty fun records, and really not much of a step down from the previous few albums. You can tell a little that they seem a little burnt out (MP obviously) and JLB is like a hired gun on Black Clouds, so a break wouldn't have been the worst decision.
I have to disagree big time with the bolded. No matter how much MP has told everyone how big of a composer he is, the main writers for DT have always been JP and KM (at first)/JR (since 99). This is no dig at MP, he's clearly a great arranger and producer, not mentioning his drumming, but to say there's no creative songwriter in the band and that Mike was responsible for most of the magic in previous albums is a big big big stretch. If you watch any of the making of documentaries that you are refering to, Mike's musical contributions are almost none, he's there working with stuff other people came up with and he's saying "let's repeat this, go back to this section here, you can double this riff here" and so on. That's what an arranger/producer does (and he's very good at it), but he's in no way capable of handling the bulk of the writing himself for any band, or he would've done it already by now. Every band he's been a part of has had major songriters not named Portnoy (Petrucci, Moore, Rudess, N. Morse, S. Morse, Bumblefoot, Sherinian, Kotzen, the list goes on).
Btw, it's completely fine if you don't like MM era albums, and I'm sorry you can't enjoy them as many people here do (as well as lots of people actually attending the concerts), but you don't have to act like MP was the only good thing to ever happen for this band.
As for the 5 year break thing, it's not even clear what really happened there, as IIRC, he even said that wasn't completely true. What we do know is that he tried to get the A7X gig permanently and gambled with DT for it. It didn't work.
I wasn't claiming MP was coming up with the parts, riffs, melodies etc.. most of the time, but he had the vision on how to work with the material and what to do with it. Going by the rest of the band's output outside of DT, and on DT albums without MP, it is obvious to my ears that they are fantastic musicians but lack that IT factor that many artists have without the chops that JP and JR have. Listen to music written by Neal Morse with MP involved, and stuff where MP was not involved (JC: The Exorcist, Spock's Beard, etc...) His presence is very obviously felt in the music and the directions it takes.
I would say my feelings are similar to how old school fans felt about Jordan Rudess joining the band, especially after each successive album with him. Difference is, JR had a big impact on the music, and was stylistically different from Moore and Sherinian, whereas MM seems to be fine being told what to do, what to play, and doesn't bring a whole lot of difference in style like the KM->DS->JR era did, he doesn't sound like Portnoy, but someone from the drummer auditions like Donati or Minneman in DT would have really impacted the band's sound more, I believe.
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I'd like to add I like JLB's work outside DT with Mangini on drums, he also sounds a lot better on those albums *shrugs*
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I'll give you the fact that MP is a really good arranger, and has a great ear for how a song should go (The queen vocals in Prophets of War). But that doesn't mean he get's the final say in how the song goes, that's up to the songwriter. That was his role in Dream Theater, his dominant attitude just won the arguments over arrangements the others had. And being a music fan first and foremost that is finally living his dream of being in a big band, decided to make Bootlegs, Document every live moment, and all that other stuff. He has a big personality that as things progressed, it began to slowly overshadow the band.
When MP told the other guys he thought it was a good idea to take a hiatus, him suggesting 5 years. The guys let him know their thoughts, and the band let him know it's not just MP, Dream Theater is all 5 guys. The band out voted MP on the hiatus and rather than continue, MP felt it best for himself if he leave the band. Being the OCD guy he is, I would find it hard to not be as involved in matters, and it's harder to hand over control.
What happened now is likely the band all give more input in the arrangements and direction a song takes.
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I have to disagree big time with the bolded. No matter how much MP has told everyone how big of a composer he is, the main writers for DT have always been JP and KM (at first)/JR (since 99). This is no dig at MP, he's clearly a great arranger and producer, not mentioning his drumming, but to say there's no creative songwriter in the band and that Mike was responsible for most of the magic in previous albums is a big big big stretch. If you watch any of the making of documentaries that you are refering to, Mike's musical contributions are almost none, he's there working with stuff other people came up with and he's saying "let's repeat this, go back to this section here, you can double this riff here" and so on. That's what an arranger/producer does (and he's very good at it), but he's in no way capable of handling the bulk of the writing himself for any band, or he would've done it already by now. Every band he's been a part of has had major songriters not named Portnoy (Petrucci, Moore, Rudess, N. Morse, S. Morse, Bumblefoot, Sherinian, Kotzen, the list goes on).
Btw, it's completely fine if you don't like MM era albums, and I'm sorry you can't enjoy them as many people here do (as well as lots of people actually attending the concerts), but you don't have to act like MP was the only good thing to ever happen for this band.
As for the 5 year break thing, it's not even clear what really happened there, as IIRC, he even said that wasn't completely true. What we do know is that he tried to get the A7X gig permanently and gambled with DT for it. It didn't work.
Exact.
I think MP is the only non-composer who is reputed to be a genius in composition. :lol
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The guy is clearly a Portnoy fan and that’s cool. If JP left, and the band continued on, I would probably be saying similar things. I have enjoyed the post MP albums but even I would say that they have not made an album on the level of the real classic MP era albums. I would also say the last few MP era albums weren’t on that level either. The band has stagnated a little in recent years even if the albums are still very high quality, they’re not classics imo.
Where I take exception is the idea that all of these people don’t have a clue when MP is not there. Don’t get me wrong, whilst MP was never the main composer in DT, I do think he was the guy who steered the ship to a degree. The bit which really stuck out though was the suggestion that Neal Morse needs him to make his stuff work and that Spock’s Beard are evidence of this. Spock’s Beard were incredible and I’m sure, if you ask a lot of people, they would prefer that stuff to Neal’s solo material with Portnoy.
What’s become clear to me since MP’s departure is that MP needs great creative people around him like Petrucci, like Neal Morse as he can’t do it on his own. This is evident from the slew of 2nd rate projects he’s been involved with in recent years where he is working with people of lesser songwriting ability and is unable to elevate it to anything notable. So yes, maybe he adds a little bit to DT that Mangini perhaps doesn’t but DT and Neal Morse elevate him much more than he elevates them.
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So, how do we like Terminal Velocity? (trying to steer the conversation back) ;D
I still love it and listen to it often.
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It’s awesome.
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The guy is clearly a Portnoy fan and that’s cool. If JP left, and the band continued on, I would probably be saying similar things. I have enjoyed the post MP albums but even I would say that they have not made an album on the level of the real classic MP era albums. I would also say the last few MP era albums weren’t on that level either. The band has stagnated a little in recent years even if the albums are still very high quality, they’re not classics imo.
Where I take exception is the idea that all of these people don’t have a clue when MP is not there. Don’t get me wrong, whilst MP was never the main composer in DT, I do think he was the guy who steered the ship to a degree. The bit which really stuck out though was the suggestion that Neal Morse needs him to make his stuff work and that Spock’s Beard are evidence of this. Spock’s Beard were incredible and I’m sure, if you ask a lot of people, they would prefer that stuff to Neal’s solo material with Portnoy.
What’s become clear to me since MP’s departure is that MP needs great creative people around him like Petrucci, like Neal Morse as he can’t do it on his own. This is evident from the slew of 2nd rate projects he’s been involved with in recent years where he is working with people of lesser songwriting ability and is unable to elevate it to anything notable. So yes, maybe he adds a little bit to DT that Mangini perhaps doesn’t but DT and Neal Morse elevate him much more than he elevates them.
To clarify, I wasn't saying Neal Morse needs Portnoy to write and arrange music, he was doing just fine in Spock's Beard. I was just pointing out the difference in the sound and energy of the music when Portnoy is involved versus when he's not. I haven't listened to The Exorcist yet, which Portnoy is not a part of, but I heard snippets and it sounds like solid Neal Morse material, musically. On the flip side, I haven't really been excited over any post-DT Portnoy projects besides Neal and Transatlantic, though I haven't heard everything he's done since he left DT. Even the last Transatlantic album was a little underwhelming for me, but that's another story.
I don't see any other member leaving other than MM, maybe JR. MP leaving was a shock, I still sort of can't believe it, though I've accepted it, and if anyone would have left so late in the band's career, it would be him. One thing he's got over the band is his name is not attached to The Astonishing.
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So, how do we like Terminal Velocity? (trying to steer the conversation back) ;D
I still love it and listen to it often.
This is all because I compared TV to recent Dream Theater, how it sounds more like 'real' Dream Theater than the last 4 albums, so it is technically on topic.
I listened to it again last night, it's all starting to come together. Some real gems on TV.
Been going through a lot of the DT side projects like Planet X, LTE, solo albums, etc... and I think Terminal Velocity is a top 5 side project album (up there with JP's last album, Moonbabies, The Whirlwind, LTE2)
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One thing he's got over the band is his name is not attached to The Astonishing.
And that's good because? I think you're projecting your strong distaste for the record on its actual significance and value. From what I can tell, the current DT members are still proud of the work they did on the "The Astonishing" and it's not like any of them is trying to pretend DT never recorded the album. Not one of them has renounced it, that is for sure. I get it that it's an extremely divisive and polarizing record but I, for one, applaud DT (and particularly JP) for having stuck to their guns and having created something that is truly unique in the band's discography. Love it or hate it, you can't deny that.
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One thing he's got over the band is his name is not attached to The Astonishing.
And that's good because? I think you're projecting your strong distaste for the record on its actual significance and value. From what I can tell, the current DT members are still proud of the work they did on the "The Astonishing" and it's not like any of them is trying to pretend DT never recorded the album. Not one of them has renounced it, that is for sure. I get it that it's an extremely divisive and polarizing record but I, for one, applaud DT (and particularly JP) for having stuck to their guns and having created something that is truly unique in the band's discography. Love it or hate it, you can't deny that.
Yeah. I'm one of those people who dislike TA but it's not embarrassing that they did it or whatever. For most people it's just that one DT album that went too far that they didn't like. It's not a stain on their discography or anything.
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I think of it as Dream Theater's "Tales from Topographical Oceans"
As for Terminal Velocity - I've kept it in rotation for the last couple of weeks and I like it, but I've already deleted a couple of the tracks. The slow one doesn't do a lot for me. And the last couple of tracks feel a little bit on the phoned-in side. The first 5 or 6 songs are really great, but it falls off after that.
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I think of it as Dream Theater's "Tales from Topographical Oceans"
As for Terminal Velocity - I've kept it in rotation for the last couple of weeks and I like it, but I've already deleted a couple of the tracks. The slow one doesn't do a lot for me. And the last couple of tracks feel a little bit on the phoned-in side. The first 5 or 6 songs are really great, but it falls off after that.
The last one? I don’t entirely disagree about the slow song and Snake In My Boot is kind of a throwaway fun track (which I really enjoy as it reminds me of Van Halen) but can’t believe you’re throwing in Temple of Circadia. That’s one of the absolute highlights for me if not THE absolute highlight. The two I don’t love are the slow song and The Way Things Fall.
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Listen to music written by Neal Morse with MP involved, and stuff where MP was not involved (JC: The Exorcist, Spock's Beard, etc...) His presence is very obviously felt in the music and the directions it takes.
Neal's Spock's Beard output was largely impeccable, and his solo albums (up until he formed the Neal Morse Band) were just written by him. MP may have helped with some arrangement, but MP's presence had nothing to do with the songwriting.
Otherwise, I'm not sure what you're talking about.
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I think of it as Dream Theater's "Tales from Topographical Oceans"
As for Terminal Velocity - I've kept it in rotation for the last couple of weeks and I like it, but I've already deleted a couple of the tracks. The slow one doesn't do a lot for me. And the last couple of tracks feel a little bit on the phoned-in side. The first 5 or 6 songs are really great, but it falls off after that.
The last one? I don’t entirely disagree about the slow song and Snake In My Boot is kind of a throwaway fun track (which I really enjoy as it reminds me of Van Halen) but can’t believe you’re throwing in Temple of Circadia. That’s one of the absolute highlights for me if not THE absolute highlight. The two I don’t love are the slow song and The Way Things Fall.
Are you talking about Out of the Blue? That's another one of my favorites because rarely shows this side of his playing. What I love is that he was able to infuse a progressive section that got me to thinking JP - the Oddfather of Progressive Blues. :metal
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I don’t dislike it but, if I was going to skip a song (which I don’t at the moment) that would probably be it. It’s probably the one I least look forward to.
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Out of the blue is one of my favourites on the album. Precisely because we never hear that side of Petrucci these days.
There was touches of bluesy/jazzy stuff on the early albums, but not for a long time.
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The Oddfather has really grown on me. The soloing about 2/3 of the way through coupled with the rhythm guitar underneath is stellar.
Sometimes you need to keep hearing songs until they finally click with you.
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new interview with Pete Pardo of Sea of Tranquility
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy4swS_u5N8
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new interview with Pete Pardo of Sea of Tranquility
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy4swS_u5N8
never knew he interviews people too. (but then again I only know his channel by way of him talking about entire discographies by many artists.)
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new interview with Pete Pardo of Sea of Tranquility
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy4swS_u5N8
never knew he interviews people too. (but then again I only know his channel by way of him talking about entire discographies by many artists.)
He interviewed Neal Morse pretty recently too.
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Out today in physical format.
Anyone picking it up?
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Not been forgotten about already has it? :lol
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My local shop has it, but I thought I read somewhere that Suspended Animation got a re-release? I don't have that one either and was hoping to get both.
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I pre-ordered on Amazon and had the option to download the mp3's which I did. I should be getting the CD in the mail soon provided we still have a postal service.
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Out today in physical format.
Anyone picking it up?
Showed up Friday and I put it on the bottom of the unopened pile. Been stuck on the new Fish album. Still haven't decided it the new material is better than Feast Of Consequences but I think is sounds better. Very well arranged too.
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I ordered a physical copy because it was going to come signed by JP, and then forgot all about that until I got my shipping notification on Friday :lol Album should be here sometime next week, but I've had the digital version since August.
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I got my signed vinyl yesterday and I haven't listened to it yet but I loved the packaging and the colored records. I'll probably give them a spin tomorrow.
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Out today in physical format.
Anyone picking it up?
Arrived yesterday, been listening to it digitally for months but nice to be able to spin it without headphones on my stereo. Slightly disappointed in packaging and the lack of an inlay in particular but unfortunately it’s par for the course with a lot of cd’s now. Just put it out in as cheap a way as possible in a cardboard case. Still really enjoying the actual music though.
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I pre-ordered on Amazon and had the option to download the mp3's which I did. I should be getting the CD in the mail soon provided we still have a postal service.
OK - got the CD yesterday.
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Love the new album!
A highlight for me is the Latin part in Gemini.
A little off topic, but what guitar solos would you say JP struggles with the most live?
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Overall? I'm not sure but I saw a guitar clinic with him way back in the day during the summer 2003 tour and he said depending on the tempo of Glass Prison he'd struggle with the opening solo. I also saw in a interview a while back that the Blind Faith solo will give him trouble live.
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Overall? I'm not sure but I saw a guitar clinic with him way back in the day during the summer 2003 tour and he said depending on the tempo of Glass Prison he'd struggle with the opening solo. I also saw in a interview a while back that the Blind Faith solo will give him trouble live.
Haha, I just saw this after my reply about tempo and clicks in the other thread.
And sometimes MP would be speeding it up, making it a bit difficult for JPs playing to be tight.
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Yea the discussion at the clinic was whether he swept the Glass Prison solo or alternate picked it, he said it was alt picked on the album and he'll alt pick it live unless the tempo is faster than normal.
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I haven't heard this album yet. Might order a cd copy. I could read through the thread, but after it's been out a while, how does it stack up against SA?
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I personally think that it is much better than SA, and that's saying a lot. It shows how much JP has evolved oh his approach to the guitar. His tones are also amazing on TV.
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I personally think that it is much better than SA, and that's saying a lot. It shows how much JP has evolved oh his approach to the guitar. His tones are also amazing on TV.
Thanks mate. That is saying a lot as SA was excellent.
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I’d agree with that, much better imo. It’s some of Petrucci’s best playing in a long time, didn’t think he still had this in him. Plus him and Portnoy just works, it’s the best I’ve heard Portnoy sound in a long time too. Way exceeded my expectations.
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I’d agree with that, much better imo. It’s some of Petrucci’s best playing in a long time, didn’t think he still had this in him. Plus him and Portnoy just works, it’s the best I’ve heard Portnoy sound in a long time too. Way exceeded my expectations.
Where I first tried to order it from was out of stock. Will go through and order a physical copy next week I think. Thanks lads. This is no surprise as DOT was a big step up in his playing for a number of years IMO.
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Not a huge fan of metal instrumental music (unless it leads into a great track with vocals) so I wasn't too psyched to listen to this.
It's really good though. Don't have much more to say than that.
Except...
Temple of Circadia is AWESOME. It honestly sounds like a mix of riffs from SC, ADTOE, and DoT...my three favorite DT records. I feel the second half of the album is stronger than the first which is rare for any album.
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Not a huge fan of metal instrumental music (unless it leads into a great track with vocals) so I wasn't too psyched to listen to this.
It's really good though. Don't have much more to say than that.
Agreed. I am generally not a fan of instrumental albums in the guitar hero style (for lack of a better term), but this one is quite good. Happy Song can't help but put you in a good mood, and I love the EVH feel in his playing in Snake in My Boot. Portnoy's drumming is great on this as well. Out of the Blue, to me, is the only misstep as it felt like it could have been this really cool bluesy tune, but it's almost like JP couldn't help himself and just had to shred and prog it up a little, and the song suffered as a result.
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I'm glad he gradually started shredding out of the blues in that song. It's like being stuck in the blues mode bubble, but slowly shredding your way out to better happier days. The clouds have parted and the sun breaks forth. 🎶🌞😎
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I don't listen to guitar albums by guys like Vai or Satriani at all, but I love both of JP's albums. Having Portnoy on Terminal Velocity gives it more of an LTE vibe at times. I think I like this new album more than most of modern DT is because none of it sounds forced to me. It's got that fun aspect that's been missing in a lot of DT albums since probably Train of Thought.
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Not a huge fan of metal instrumental music (unless it leads into a great track with vocals) so I wasn't too psyched to listen to this.
It's really good though. Don't have much more to say than that.
Agreed. I am generally not a fan of instrumental albums in the guitar hero style (for lack of a better term), but this one is quite good. Happy Song can't help but put you in a good mood, and I love the EVH feel in his playing in Snake in My Boot. Portnoy's drumming is great on this as well. Out of the Blue, to me, is the only misstep as it felt like it could have been this really cool bluesy tune, but it's almost like JP couldn't help himself and just had to shred and prog it up a little, and the song suffered as a result.
Out of the Blue a misstep? Simply because it didn't stick to the blues formula and JP progging it up a bit??? I for one like what he did and thought it rather unique and I think it added to the song. Calling it a misstep is well - a misstep. ;D
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I don't listen to guitar albums by guys like Vai or Satriani at all, but I love both of JP's albums. Having Portnoy on Terminal Velocity gives it more of an LTE vibe at times. I think I like this new album more than most of modern DT is because none of it sounds forced to me. It's got that fun aspect that's been missing in a lot of DT albums since probably Train of Thought.
Well i think you kind of have a point here.
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I don't listen to guitar albums by guys like Vai or Satriani at all, but I love both of JP's albums. Having Portnoy on Terminal Velocity gives it more of an LTE vibe at times. I think I like this new album more than most of modern DT is because none of it sounds forced to me. It's got that fun aspect that's been missing in a lot of DT albums since probably Train of Thought.
Well i think you kind of have a point here.
LOL - it only took 15 years for JP to make this solo album - of course it would seem unforced!! :lol
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I pre ordered Terminal Velocity over a month ago from my local record store. It was supposed to be here Yesterday (Saturday 14th).. The record store owner called me and said it got delayed because of Veterans day. Now I have to wait another week for the CD since he's only open on Saturdays.
Is it really getting this hard to order these things nowadays? It used to take a week at the most, now it seems to take a month or more. Even when I order stuff on-line.. ???
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Not a huge fan of metal instrumental music (unless it leads into a great track with vocals) so I wasn't too psyched to listen to this.
It's really good though. Don't have much more to say than that.
Agreed. I am generally not a fan of instrumental albums in the guitar hero style (for lack of a better term), but this one is quite good. Happy Song can't help but put you in a good mood, and I love the EVH feel in his playing in Snake in My Boot. Portnoy's drumming is great on this as well. Out of the Blue, to me, is the only misstep as it felt like it could have been this really cool bluesy tune, but it's almost like JP couldn't help himself and just had to shred and prog it up a little, and the song suffered as a result.
Out of the Blue a misstep? Simply because it didn't stick to the blues formula and JP progging it up a bit??? I for one like what he did and thought it rather unique and I think it added to the song. Calling it a misstep is well - a misstep. ;D
To each their own. :coolio
The Oddfather and Gemini both pretty bad ass. I meant to mention that in my initial post on the album yesterday.
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Had a listen to the first couple of songs, solid. Happy Song was a pleasant surprise. That main melody is a blatant mix of Octavarium and Duran Durans Ordinary World haha.
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Happy Song was a pleasant surprise. That main melody is a blatant mix of Octavarium and Duran Durans Ordinary World haha.
Wow, good catch on the Octavarium melody! I would have never caught on to that since it's played in such a different context. I wonder if JP even knows that, or perhaps he's just being influenced by himself and doesn't realize it.. :lol
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Wait, there's Octavarium melody in Happy song?
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Wait, there's Octavarium melody in Happy song?
At 58 seconds that melody reminds me of it. Talking about the main keyboard theme at around 3:50.
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Happy Song was a pleasant surprise. That main melody is a blatant mix of Octavarium and Duran Durans Ordinary World haha.
Wow, good catch on the Octavarium melody! I would have never caught on to that since it's played in such a different context. I wonder if JP even knows that, or perhaps he's just being influenced by himself and doesn't realize it.. :lol
He did say in the interview I did with him that he was demoing something for this album and ended up playing the EXACT notes of one DT song, so this could be it. I didn't follow up his statement with "which song" because I only had 20 minutes and a lot of other questions, but I'm still curious about it!!!
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Wait, there's Octavarium melody in Happy song?
At 58 seconds that melody reminds me of it. Talking about the main keyboard theme at around 3:50.
To be clear - you mean the 58 seconds into the Happy Song and 3:50 in OV8 - correct?
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Did you say 5 and 8......? NUGGETZ
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Just spun this for the first time in a few months. A lot more enjoyable than I remember it being. Might be a Top 10 AOTY.
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Wait, there's Octavarium melody in Happy song?
At 58 seconds that melody reminds me of it. Talking about the main keyboard theme at around 3:50.
Wow, I never noticed that before :eek
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OK - I can see why the comparison is made although my ears hear slightly different notes. To me it's the old Stairway to Heaven vs. Spirit conversation.
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Wait, there's Octavarium melody in Happy song?
At 58 seconds that melody reminds me of it. Talking about the main keyboard theme at around 3:50.
Jordan plays that on a Steele guitar.. ;)
You'll also hear this same melody sprinkled throughout "The Answer Lies Within".
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Wait, there's Octavarium melody in Happy song?
At 58 seconds that melody reminds me of it. Talking about the main keyboard theme at around 3:50.
To be clear - you mean the 58 seconds into the Happy Song and 3:50 in OV8 - correct?
Yes.
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Wait, there's Octavarium melody in Happy song?
At 58 seconds that melody reminds me of it. Talking about the main keyboard theme at around 3:50.
To be clear - you mean the 58 seconds into the Happy Song and 3:50 in OV8 - correct?
Yes.
And Happy Song is the 3rd song on TV!!!!!!! WHAAAAAT?!?!?!?
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Anyone know if there will be (or have an update on) the Terminal Velocity Guitar Tab Book?
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James Labrie talks about JP working with Mike again
“When some of us do our solo records, it's a separate matter from the band. Whoever John Petrucci wants to work with is up to him, just as whoever I work with on my solo album is up to me. John knows the kind of relationship that Mike and I have, he's aware of it, but at the same time it's up to him to choose who he wants to play with on his album. Everything is fine. Life is too short to anchor anything that can be considered negative "
“Let's put it this way: John and I talk, and I think it's great, that as long as he's happy with the result of his album and that it has met his expectations, that's all that matters. John Petrucci and I have been bandmates for thirty years, so we talk about who we are and we respect each other. At the end of the day, he knows he has my respect and I know I have his. I have to be very open about what he wants to do and decide what is best for him.
That was translated from here https://nacionprogresiva.wordpress.com/2021/01/13/james-labrie-john-sabe-el-tipo-de-relacion-que-tenemos-mike-y-yo-es-consciente-de-ello/
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James Labrie talks about JP working with Mike again
“When some of us do our solo records, it's a separate matter from the band. Whoever John Petrucci wants to work with is up to him, just as whoever I work with on my solo album is up to me. John knows the kind of relationship that Mike and I have, he's aware of it, but at the same time it's up to him to choose who he wants to play with on his album. Everything is fine. Life is too short to anchor anything that can be considered negative "
“Let's put it this way: John and I talk, and I think it's great, that as long as he's happy with the result of his album and that it has met his expectations, that's all that matters. John Petrucci and I have been bandmates for thirty years, so we talk about who we are and we respect each other. At the end of the day, he knows he has my respect and I know I have his. I have to be very open about what he wants to do and decide what is best for him.
That was translated from here https://nacionprogresiva.wordpress.com/2021/01/13/james-labrie-john-sabe-el-tipo-de-relacion-que-tenemos-mike-y-yo-es-consciente-de-ello/
Where's the rest.... :lol
But why ask a question about MP, on JP's solo album, to JLB whom had nothing to do with JP's solo album. :lol
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Anyone know if there will be (or have an update on) the Terminal Velocity Guitar Tab Book?
Now that would be a challenge transcribing the tab for that, yet alone trying to get it accurate. If you have the skills to play at that level, why not make a solo album of your own? That's what I'm doing, but I am nowhere near the skill level of JP. He just inspired me to do my own project and it's a lot of fun! :coolio
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James Labrie talks about JP working with Mike again
“When some of us do our solo records, it's a separate matter from the band. Whoever John Petrucci wants to work with is up to him, just as whoever I work with on my solo album is up to me. John knows the kind of relationship that Mike and I have, he's aware of it, but at the same time it's up to him to choose who he wants to play with on his album. Everything is fine. Life is too short to anchor anything that can be considered negative "
“Let's put it this way: John and I talk, and I think it's great, that as long as he's happy with the result of his album and that it has met his expectations, that's all that matters. John Petrucci and I have been bandmates for thirty years, so we talk about who we are and we respect each other. At the end of the day, he knows he has my respect and I know I have his. I have to be very open about what he wants to do and decide what is best for him.
That was translated from here https://nacionprogresiva.wordpress.com/2021/01/13/james-labrie-john-sabe-el-tipo-de-relacion-que-tenemos-mike-y-yo-es-consciente-de-ello/
That's kind of a fucked up answer though. It seems very carefully worded, rather than organic. Never once does he say that he and John are "friends", only that they are "bandmates", they "talk" and have each others "respect". Not that they have to be close, but that's not a ringing bell of deep love and affection, if you're asking me.
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Anyone know if there will be (or have an update on) the Terminal Velocity Guitar Tab Book?
Now that would be a challenge transcribing the tab for that, yet alone trying to get it accurate. If you have the skills to play at that level, why not make a solo album of your own? That's what I'm doing, but I am nowhere near the skill level of JP. He just inspired me to do my own project and it's a lot of fun! :coolio
A lot of people have the ability to play, but can't write even if their life depended on it. Others can write, but have such high standards that most things are not "good enough". Writing is a skill of its own. In terms of the Tab Book, I honestly doubt we will see an "official tab book", but DT89 tabbed out the album.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55053.msg2696384#msg2696384
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James Labrie talks about JP working with Mike again
“When some of us do our solo records, it's a separate matter from the band. Whoever John Petrucci wants to work with is up to him, just as whoever I work with on my solo album is up to me. John knows the kind of relationship that Mike and I have, he's aware of it, but at the same time it's up to him to choose who he wants to play with on his album. Everything is fine. Life is too short to anchor anything that can be considered negative "
“Let's put it this way: John and I talk, and I think it's great, that as long as he's happy with the result of his album and that it has met his expectations, that's all that matters. John Petrucci and I have been bandmates for thirty years, so we talk about who we are and we respect each other. At the end of the day, he knows he has my respect and I know I have his. I have to be very open about what he wants to do and decide what is best for him.
That was translated from here https://nacionprogresiva.wordpress.com/2021/01/13/james-labrie-john-sabe-el-tipo-de-relacion-que-tenemos-mike-y-yo-es-consciente-de-ello/ (https://nacionprogresiva.wordpress.com/2021/01/13/james-labrie-john-sabe-el-tipo-de-relacion-que-tenemos-mike-y-yo-es-consciente-de-ello/)
That's kind of a fucked up answer though. It seems very carefully worded, rather than organic. Never once does he say that he and John are "friends", only that they are "bandmates", they "talk" and have each others "respect". Not that they have to be close, but that's not a ringing bell of deep love and affection, if you're asking me.
Yeah, I totally agree. That almost comes across as a statement written by lawyers :lol - and the "bandmates" thing, it's like he intentionally avoided using the word "friend" in there. Of course I'm probably reading more into it than is really there, but perhaps it's the translation that makes it come across like this?
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James Labrie talks about JP working with Mike again
“When some of us do our solo records, it's a separate matter from the band. Whoever John Petrucci wants to work with is up to him, just as whoever I work with on my solo album is up to me. John knows the kind of relationship that Mike and I have, he's aware of it, but at the same time it's up to him to choose who he wants to play with on his album. Everything is fine. Life is too short to anchor anything that can be considered negative "
“Let's put it this way: John and I talk, and I think it's great, that as long as he's happy with the result of his album and that it has met his expectations, that's all that matters. John Petrucci and I have been bandmates for thirty years, so we talk about who we are and we respect each other. At the end of the day, he knows he has my respect and I know I have his. I have to be very open about what he wants to do and decide what is best for him.
That was translated from here https://nacionprogresiva.wordpress.com/2021/01/13/james-labrie-john-sabe-el-tipo-de-relacion-que-tenemos-mike-y-yo-es-consciente-de-ello/
That's kind of a fucked up answer though. It seems very carefully worded, rather than organic. Never once does he say that he and John are "friends", only that they are "bandmates", they "talk" and have each others "respect". Not that they have to be close, but that's not a ringing bell of deep love and affection, if you're asking me.
I found that very odd too not calling each other friends. Very guarded and strange answer.
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James Labrie talks about JP working with Mike again
“When some of us do our solo records, it's a separate matter from the band. Whoever John Petrucci wants to work with is up to him, just as whoever I work with on my solo album is up to me. John knows the kind of relationship that Mike and I have, he's aware of it, but at the same time it's up to him to choose who he wants to play with on his album. Everything is fine. Life is too short to anchor anything that can be considered negative "
“Let's put it this way: John and I talk, and I think it's great, that as long as he's happy with the result of his album and that it has met his expectations, that's all that matters. John Petrucci and I have been bandmates for thirty years, so we talk about who we are and we respect each other. At the end of the day, he knows he has my respect and I know I have his. I have to be very open about what he wants to do and decide what is best for him.
That was translated from here https://nacionprogresiva.wordpress.com/2021/01/13/james-labrie-john-sabe-el-tipo-de-relacion-que-tenemos-mike-y-yo-es-consciente-de-ello/
That's kind of a fucked up answer though. It seems very carefully worded, rather than organic. Never once does he say that he and John are "friends", only that they are "bandmates", they "talk" and have each others "respect". Not that they have to be close, but that's not a ringing bell of deep love and affection, if you're asking me.
Damned if you do and damned if you don't, right.
All he is saying, is they talk about things. Things that they do not agree with at all, and things that they do agree with 100%. People change, and after being in a band for 30 years, its good they are still bandmates. There are not many bandmates whom can say that. He is open to what JP wants to do, and should let him do what JP wants to do, the same as JP lets JLB do what he wants to do, especially on ones own solo album.
JP likely let JLB know he was working with MP again, because as sad as it is, to let JLB be prepared for the fan reactions and all the MP is returning speculation bullshit that goes on, and I am sure the band is tired of hearing this shit. I mean, no offence to the interviewers, but why would you even ask a question like that, and by JLB's response it seems it irked him a bit.
Also, a reason why that was all that was given to us about the Magazine Interview. I would like to see the rest, but there is only that one snippet I can find.
If an interviewer were to ask about his and JP's friendships, or how his relationship is to the other band-members, are they best of friends that skip along a field of flowers holding hands, or are they just acquaintances whom are there to make the songs, record, and just tolerate enough of each other to make the album.
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I'm really crushing on The Way Things Fall.
I also love Terminal Velocity and The Happy Song.
I think I much prefer any major-key stuff JP/DT do over the sad minor-key stuff.
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James has always been classy and diplomatic with his answers to questions like this, though. Very rarely he gets emotional or way too personal.
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James has always been classy and diplomatic with his answers to questions like this, though. Very rarely he gets emotional or way too personal.
Not to mention this was translated from English back into English.
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"John knows the kind of relationship that Mike and I have, he's aware of it, but at the same time it's up to him to choose who he wants to play with on his album. Everything is fine. Life is too short to anchor anything that can be considered negative "
This is the quote that I zeroed in on. It seems to me pretty clear that JLB and MP have no relationship.
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Also I realised that with LTE 3 coming out next year along with a new DT that'll be 4 albums in 3 years for Petrucci.
1. Distance Over Time (2019)
2. Terminal Velocity (2020)
3. LTE 3 (2021)
4. DT15 (2021)
I know LTE is largely jammed and improvised and he's probably been keeping songs for T.V. back for years... But I wonder when he writes a riff - how does he decide which project to
keep it for ? :D I expect it's whatever project is being worked on at the time.
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I vaguely remember him mentioning in an interview how he wrote down a riff years ago, and decided to use it when he was working on Terminal Velocity. He said that only after he had written more material using that riff did he realized he was recreating a DT song :lol I don't think he revealed which riff/song that was but I thought that was funny.
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James has always been classy and diplomatic with his answers to questions like this, though. Very rarely he gets emotional or way too personal.
And I think it's the best approach. He basically said he's cool with it, but also indirectly confirmed what we all knew, that he and MP aren't in good terms at all.
Also I realised that with LTE 3 coming out next year along with a new DT that'll be 4 albums in 3 years for Petrucci.
1. Distance Over Time (2019)
2. Terminal Velocity (2020)
3. LTE 3 (2021)
4. DT15 (2021)
I know LTE is largely jammed and improvised and he's probably been keeping songs for T.V. back for years... But I wonder when he writes a riff - how does he decide which project to
keep it for ? :D I expect it's whatever project is being worked on at the time.
I love that we're getting a ton of JP releases lately, it's definitely the most prolific he's been in a long time :metal
The only thing I'd love for him to do, but he doesn't seem interested at all, is form another band/side project/supergroup with a completely different bunch of people (no MP, JR, DLR, etc) and release albums every once in a while.
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"John knows the kind of relationship that Mike and I have, he's aware of it, but at the same time it's up to him to choose who he wants to play with on his album. Everything is fine. Life is too short to anchor anything that can be considered negative "
This is the quote that I zeroed in on. It seems to me pretty clear that JLB and MP have no relationship.
Of course they don't. MP was very hard on JLB, especially during SC and BC&SL. So I don't blame JLB for not having a close relationship with Portnoy.
You don't say "I would've picked a different singer if I had to make that choice now"...While you're current singer isnt suitable for what You what to create now. That would make me upset and feel like you don't appreciate my contributions anymore, and want me to change my style to suit your ways. JLB did it because MP is the producer and he signed a contract, so is obligated to do it.
You can tell easily how much freer JLB is with his vocals, a reason why JP just let him record his vocals at home, or wherever he is most comfortable recording his vocals.
I vaguely remember him mentioning in an interview how he wrote down a riff years ago, and decided to use it when he was working on Terminal Velocity. He said that only after he had written more material using that riff did he realized he was recreating a DT song :lol I don't think he revealed which riff/song that was but I thought that was funny.
I forgot the song name but it sounds like Bridges In The Sky to me..
I think it was Glassy Eyed Zombies.
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James has always been classy and diplomatic with his answers to questions like this, though. Very rarely he gets emotional or way too personal.
Not to mention this was translated from English back into English.
That was my first thought. Many of these statements may seem odd because of the dual translation (probably by different translators).
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Also I realised that with LTE 3 coming out next year along with a new DT that'll be 4 albums in 3 years for Petrucci.
1. Distance Over Time (2019)
2. Terminal Velocity (2020)
3. LTE 3 (2021)
4. DT15 (2021)
I know LTE is largely jammed and improvised and he's probably been keeping songs for T.V. back for years... But I wonder when he writes a riff - how does he decide which project to
keep it for ? :D I expect it's whatever project is being worked on at the time.
Next year??? How so?
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Next year what ?
I find it highly unlikely that DT15 will not be out until 2022... Given that they're working on it right now and have been for a while...
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James has always been classy and diplomatic with his answers to questions like this, though. Very rarely he gets emotional or way too personal.
We don't need to pull bandaids, or rip scabs, but suffice that not everyone agrees 100% with that opinion.
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"John knows the kind of relationship that Mike and I have, he's aware of it, but at the same time it's up to him to choose who he wants to play with on his album. Everything is fine. Life is too short to anchor anything that can be considered negative "
This is the quote that I zeroed in on. It seems to me pretty clear that JLB and MP have no relationship.
Of course they don't. MP was very hard on JLB, especially during SC and BC&SL. So I don't blame JLB for not having a close relationship with Portnoy.
You don't say "I would've picked a different singer if I had to make that choice now"...While you're current singer isnt suitable for what You what to create now. That would make me upset and feel like you don't appreciate my contributions anymore, and want me to change my style to suit your ways. JLB did it because MP is the producer and he signed a contract, so is obligated to do it.
You can tell easily how much freer JLB is with his vocals, a reason why JP just let him record his vocals at home, or wherever he is most comfortable recording his vocals.
Eh, I don't think it's that simple. That was a potentially harsh statement, no doubt, but very much worse has been said about lesser people over the years and it's not festered like this. Keith Richards wrote in his autobiography that Mick had a small weiner and was a control freak, and somehow they are now on good terms. I don't care what you think of my singing (or, since it's my profession, my lawyering) but if you go around slandering my Jimmy, them's fighting words. I think it's less what was said as much as how it was dealt with. We weren't there and so have no idea how it was handled at the time, nor what pressures were put on each of them to come to understanding, nor how it was handled in years subsequent.
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"John knows the kind of relationship that Mike and I have, he's aware of it, but at the same time it's up to him to choose who he wants to play with on his album. Everything is fine. Life is too short to anchor anything that can be considered negative "
This is the quote that I zeroed in on. It seems to me pretty clear that JLB and MP have no relationship.
Of course they don't. MP was very hard on JLB, especially during SC and BC&SL. So I don't blame JLB for not having a close relationship with Portnoy.
You don't say "I would've picked a different singer if I had to make that choice now"...While you're current singer isnt suitable for what You what to create now. That would make me upset and feel like you don't appreciate my contributions anymore, and want me to change my style to suit your ways. JLB did it because MP is the producer and he signed a contract, so is obligated to do it.
You can tell easily how much freer JLB is with his vocals, a reason why JP just let him record his vocals at home, or wherever he is most comfortable recording his vocals.
Eh, I don't think it's that simple. That was a potentially harsh statement, no doubt, but very much worse has been said about lesser people over the years and it's not festered like this. Keith Richards wrote in his autobiography that Mick had a small weiner and was a control freak, and somehow they are now on good terms. I don't care what you think of my singing (or, since it's my profession, my lawyering) but if you go around slandering my Jimmy, them's fighting words. I think it's less what was said as much as how it was dealt with. We weren't there and so have no idea how it was handled at the time, nor what pressures were put on each of them to come to understanding, nor how it was handled in years subsequent.
Of course it's not as simple. All we have is speculation. But, from what we have seen. MP being that way to JLB likely didn't help that friendship get any better. And who's to know they were actually buddy friends before and not just business friends that would still get along enough to laugh and joke with each other.
Also I realised that with LTE 3 coming out next year along with a new DT that'll be 4 albums in 3 years for Petrucci.
1. Distance Over Time (2019)
2. Terminal Velocity (2020)
3. LTE 3 (2021)
4. DT15 (2021)
I know LTE is largely jammed and improvised and he's probably been keeping songs for T.V. back for years... But I wonder when he writes a riff - how does he decide which project to
keep it for ? :D I expect it's whatever project is being worked on at the time.
He doesn't decide the band decides. :biggrin:
I am guessing. He writes and then places it on the shelf. And when it's time to write, he brings one out he quite liked and presents it to the rest of the guys.
And being a musician not really in other bands, his solo album is the only chance he gets to use those ideas. Even at that, some were older songs already played live.
That would be a great interview question though ..
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I will ask him if/when i have a shot at interview him again. My guess is that with a lot of these session musicians, they use whatever they write for the album they're working on at the moment. Petrucci's case might be different though, and he might want to save something he wrote, because in his head it might have the potential to sound killer once Jordan, Muyng and Mangini add their parts.
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I will ask him if/when i have a shot at interview him again. My guess is that with a lot of these session musicians, they use whatever they write for the album they're working on at the moment. Petrucci's case might be different though, and he might want to save something he wrote, because in his head it might have the potential to sound killer once Jordan, Muyng and Mangini add their parts.
I meant to type about this too and just forgot. :lol
It's why I like how they wrote Distance Over Time. They all brought in some of their ideas, and together, the band jammed the ideas. Some developed right away, and some were put on the back end right on up until the end, one of JM's riff according to an interview (I have to look it up to find which one, I am thinking either the one that premiered Fatal Tragedy from Distant Memories, or the one JP and JLB did with Chris Jericho, or it could be this one that I am listening to now...https://youtu.be/ilIFuCe7TuY) And the results turned into something pretty darn good, and one of the best with At Wit's End. And letting them give MM the time to shine with his song, Room 137, and it is different for Dream Theater, I like the rhythm of the vocals, and how that beat is driven.
And I hope the new album was written in a similar way.
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Next year what ?
I find it highly unlikely that DT15 will not be out until 2022... Given that they're working on it right now and have been for a while...
I haven't heard that LTE 3 has been pushed to 2022
(https://i.ibb.co/sqK6tSY/Captura-de-pantalla-2021-01-15-080828.png)
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And who's to know they were actually buddy friends before and not just business friends that would still get along enough to laugh and joke with each other.
I can't cite a source because I don't remember where I heard/read it, but I remember that the two of them were super tight friends, especially in the early 90s. And not too long ago, I read a post MP made on his forum back in 2005 about the two of them going to see QR together then. You don't do that if you're not friends.
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Next year what ?
I find it highly unlikely that DT15 will not be out until 2022... Given that they're working on it right now and have been for a while...
I haven't heard that LTE 3 has been pushed to 2022
(https://i.ibb.co/sqK6tSY/Captura-de-pantalla-2021-01-15-080828.png)
I meant this year! I was wondering what i'd said wrong... ;D To be fair - I did put (2021) for both...
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And who's to know they were actually buddy friends before and not just business friends that would still get along enough to laugh and joke with each other.
I can't cite a source because I don't remember where I heard/read it, but I remember that the two of them were super tight friends, especially in the early 90s. And not too long ago, I read a post MP made on his forum back in 2005 about the two of them going to see QR together then. You don't do that if you're not friends.
My understanding is that things started to get bad between them around the SC era, and only got worse from there (don't know where I read that, tho).
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So we gonna take bets on how long it takes JP to release a 3rd solo album? :lol
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Probably after DT have split.
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James has always been classy and diplomatic with his answers to questions like this, though. Very rarely he gets emotional or way too personal.
We don't need to pull bandaids, or rip scabs, but suffice that not everyone agrees 100% with that opinion.
Give me one example when he has publicly said anything derogatory about Mike Portnoy. Mike has had numerous public digs at JLB both when he was in the band and since he left. JLB has said nothing wrong here. He was asked about Petrucci working with Portnoy on his solo record and basically said that it’s none of his business who Petrucci chooses to work with on a solo record, which is the correct answer.
What do people want him to say? They clearly don’t like each other so he’s not going to lie and say “it’s so amazing to see those guys back together again” but he’s also not going to say “I wish he’d picked someone else”. He gave the diplomatic answer that it’s nothing to do with him who Petrucci picks to play drums on his own album.
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Regarding the "Nación Progresiva" post about JLB:
That's a Latin American medium for progressive rock and such things. I've worked with them before, and I recommend all of you to take everything they say/write/translate with a grain of salt. I personally know the man that wrote that piece and he's basically a Mike Portnoy ass kisser. I'm sorry for my poor wording, but there's really not a better way to describe him lol. He's also pretty known for being fairly critical of JLB, and such is the reason that his wording might not seem very JLB-like at all. I haven't seen/read the original interview but I'll make sure to check it out to give you folks a more faithful translation. Remember Blabbermouth? Those guys are the Blabbermouth of the Latin American progressive community.
Also, his Spanish grammar is terrible. It's very, very poorly written.
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James has always been classy and diplomatic with his answers to questions like this, though. Very rarely he gets emotional or way too personal.
We don't need to pull bandaids, or rip scabs, but suffice that not everyone agrees 100% with that opinion.
Give me one example when he has publicly said anything derogatory about Mike Portnoy. Mike has had numerous public digs at JLB both when he was in the band and since he left. JLB has said nothing wrong here. He was asked about Petrucci working with Portnoy on his solo record and basically said that it’s none of his business who Petrucci chooses to work with on a solo record, which is the correct answer.
What do people want him to say? They clearly don’t like each other so he’s not going to lie and say “it’s so amazing to see those guys back together again” but he’s also not going to say “I wish he’d picked someone else”. He gave the diplomatic answer that it’s nothing to do with him who Petrucci picks to play drums on his own album.
I'm not referring to the recent quote; we all know the historical quotes, we all know the sites. They're all cited here in one place or another.
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LaBrie gave the right answer. It's JP's project and he chooses whomever he wants to play on it. End of story.
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From JP's Facebook:
"JPGU 3.0 is ON! It's at the Anaheim Marriott from July 27 - 31 and we have an incredible lineup of guest instructors. I'm pleased to announce that Dave LaRue and Mike Mangini will be joining me to play some songs from my new solo album Terminal Velocity - it's going to be a blast, if you have not signed up yet, don't miss your chance! johnpetruccisguitaruniverse.com #JPGU"
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Interesting.
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From JP's Facebook:
"JPGU 3.0 is ON! It's at the Anaheim Marriott from July 27 - 31 and we have an incredible lineup of guest instructors. I'm pleased to announce that Dave LaRue and Mike Mangini will be joining me to play some songs from my new solo album Terminal Velocity - it's going to be a blast, if you have not signed up yet, don't miss your chance! johnpetruccisguitaruniverse.com #JPGU"
MM should've done the record imo.
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From JP's Facebook:
"JPGU 3.0 is ON! It's at the Anaheim Marriott from July 27 - 31 and we have an incredible lineup of guest instructors. I'm pleased to announce that Dave LaRue and Mike Mangini will be joining me to play some songs from my new solo album Terminal Velocity - it's going to be a blast, if you have not signed up yet, don't miss your chance! johnpetruccisguitaruniverse.com #JPGU"
MM should've done the record imo.
absolutely.
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Why?
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From JP's Facebook:
"JPGU 3.0 is ON! It's at the Anaheim Marriott from July 27 - 31 and we have an incredible lineup of guest instructors. I'm pleased to announce that Dave LaRue and Mike Mangini will be joining me to play some songs from my new solo album Terminal Velocity - it's going to be a blast, if you have not signed up yet, don't miss your chance! johnpetruccisguitaruniverse.com #JPGU"
MM should've done the record imo.
No.
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Why?
Why not? MM had already been JP's solo drummer for a while and also played a couple of those tracks live with him and Dave.
I also prefer MM to MP, both in playing and personality, so there's that too :)
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In fact, I think that MP should do this show, since now he seems to be the drummer on JP solo albums from now on. Just my speculation, since MP isn`t in DT anymore. I think this would be a cool excuse for them to work together.
Or maybe MM is already the drummer for the entire JPGU 3.0 event and it will make more sense because of the logistics.
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Could be MP is too busy with his own projects with Neal Morse and others.
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Is Mike Mangini replacing Mike Portnoy who replaced Mike Mangini who replaced Mike Portnoy who replaced Dave DiCenso?
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You are almost right! But it's more like:
Is Mike Mangini replacing Mike Portnoy who replaced Mike Mangini who replaced Mike Portnoy who replaced Dave DiCenso who replaced Mike Portnoy ;D, because I believe that JP toured with MP before recording the first album.
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You are almost right! But it's more like:
Is Mike Mangini replacing Mike Portnoy who replaced Mike Mangini who replaced Mike Portnoy who replaced Dave DiCenso who replaced Mike Portnoy ;D, because I believe that JP toured with MP before recording the first album.
The drama goes even deeper than I knew!!!
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Could be MP is too busy with his own projects with Neal Morse and others.
Well, I am sure if Portnoy was offered the spot first, he will tell the world, since he won't pass up an opportunity to stick a thumb in Mangini's eye ("JP wanted me first! Na na!!"). :P :lol
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I think this is much ado about nothing. Mangine is/was a teacher for many years. This is in his wheelhouse. I don't get the sense that Portnoy has that urge in him.
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Interesting that now some fans will be able to complain about Mangini also OUTSIDE DT. Always good to expand horizons. :lol :lol
Good luck Mike.
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Interesting that now some fans will be able to complain about Mangini also OUTSIDE DT. Always good to expand horizons. :lol :lol
Good luck Mike.
More fodder for the dumbest part of Youtube
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I listened to TV today in full (it has been a while since my last listen).
OMG what an album!
Five stars * * * * *
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ToC came up on my random play. That song is absolutely awesome and I am excited to think that DT15 may have something like it!
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Snake in My Boot still feels like the major sleeper from this. I think it's a top 3 tune from the record, and I love the homage to EVH in his playing in the first part.
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When (and if) an official tour supporting this solo album happens, I will lobby for JP to bring on a rhythm guitarist. The more I listen to Terminal Velocity, the more I think that a live performance would benefit from a second guitar recreating the orchestrated backdrop.
To this end, I nominate DT89 as the perfect candidate for the job. After all, he has the chops and already knows the songs!
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When (and if) an official tour supporting this solo album happens, I will lobby for JP to bring on a rhythm guitarist. The more I listen to Terminal Velocity, the more I think that a live performance would benefit from a second guitar recreating the orchestrated backdrop.
To this end, I nominate DT89 as the perfect candidate for the job. After all, he has the chops and already knows the songs!
Although I'd rather have Stream of Consciousness. They could also throw in more instrumentals in the set to give JLB breaks so the shows and songs won't be too much of a strain on his vocals. And they could throw in a Terminal Velocity song, and have JR add some embellishments of his own.
Mangini is playing drums with him live, and Myung has learned and arranged Tony Levin's Chapman Stick parts of LTE songs for the bass. A Terminal Velocity song wouldn't be hard at all. It would be interesting to hear JRs involvement if they were to cover a song.
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Album is fantastic! Play it at least 3 times a week. The magic of JP w MP is undeniable imo. :metal
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For those interested, this guy has uploaded videos of JP's band performing 5 different tracks live at JPGU last week: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZUUoXu_tM9rDOIQeUu_NJg/videos
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For those interested, this guy has uploaded videos of JP's band performing 5 different tracks live at JPGU last week: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZUUoXu_tM9rDOIQeUu_NJg/videos
This is great! I like it even more for the fact that JP is human and makes mistakes live. You can tell all three of the band members were a bit nervous especially during Terminal Velocity. You know what, that is totally ok and I can relate. I've made tons of clumsy mistakes live due to nerves.
It also comes down to the setting you are playing. That particular setting where they are playing looks a bit out of their element making them feel vulnerable. I love it! :metal
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For those interested, this guy has uploaded videos of JP's band performing 5 different tracks live at JPGU last week: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZUUoXu_tM9rDOIQeUu_NJg/videos
This is great! I like it even more for the fact that JP is human and makes mistakes live. You can tell all three of the band members were a bit nervous especially during Terminal Velocity. You know what, that is totally ok and I can relate. I've made tons of clumsy mistakes live due to nerves.
It also comes down to the setting you are playing. That particular setting where they are playing looks a bit out of their element making them feel vulnerable. I love it! :metal
That could also be due to the audience they're performing for. They're all guitarists/musicians whom will be watching their every finger playing that note, and will be analyzing the playing as it's happening.
That's a lot of nerves to have when playing 😂
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For those interested, this guy has uploaded videos of JP's band performing 5 different tracks live at JPGU last week: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZUUoXu_tM9rDOIQeUu_NJg/videos
This is great! I like it even more for the fact that JP is human and makes mistakes live. You can tell all three of the band members were a bit nervous especially during Terminal Velocity. You know what, that is totally ok and I can relate. I've made tons of clumsy mistakes live due to nerves.
It also comes down to the setting you are playing. That particular setting where they are playing looks a bit out of their element making them feel vulnerable. I love it! :metal
That could also be due to the audience they're performing for. They're all guitarists/musicians whom will be watching their every finger playing that note, and will be analyzing the playing as it's happening.
That's a lot of nerves to have when playing 😂
O gosh yeah! I remember playing a outdoor gig at a very nice local amphitheater. I was playing good and smooth for the first hour or so. Then a local guitar player showed up who has better skills than me btw, stood in front of me and watched closely. He got into my psyche and I started screwing up left and right turning the rest of the evening into a disaster. :lol
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For those interested, this guy has uploaded videos of JP's band performing 5 different tracks live at JPGU last week: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZUUoXu_tM9rDOIQeUu_NJg/videos
This is great! I like it even more for the fact that JP is human and makes mistakes live. You can tell all three of the band members were a bit nervous especially during Terminal Velocity. You know what, that is totally ok and I can relate. I've made tons of clumsy mistakes live due to nerves.
It also comes down to the setting you are playing. That particular setting where they are playing looks a bit out of their element making them feel vulnerable. I love it! :metal
That could also be due to the audience they're performing for. They're all guitarists/musicians whom will be watching their every finger playing that note, and will be analyzing the playing as it's happening.
That's a lot of nerves to have when playing 😂
O gosh yeah! I remember playing a outdoor gig at a very nice local amphitheater. I was playing good and smooth for the first hour or so. Then a local guitar player showed up who has better skills than me btw, stood in front of me and watched closely. He got into my psyche and I started screwing up left and right turning the rest of the evening into a disaster. :lol
That's the "how many guitar players does it take to screw in a light bulb" joke. Answer: Five; one to screw it in and four to stand there with their arms crossed saying "I can do that."
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For those interested, this guy has uploaded videos of JP's band performing 5 different tracks live at JPGU last week: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZUUoXu_tM9rDOIQeUu_NJg/videos
This is great! I like it even more for the fact that JP is human and makes mistakes live. You can tell all three of the band members were a bit nervous especially during Terminal Velocity. You know what, that is totally ok and I can relate. I've made tons of clumsy mistakes live due to nerves.
It also comes down to the setting you are playing. That particular setting where they are playing looks a bit out of their element making them feel vulnerable. I love it! :metal
That could also be due to the audience they're performing for. They're all guitarists/musicians whom will be watching their every finger playing that note, and will be analyzing the playing as it's happening.
That's a lot of nerves to have when playing 😂
Could also be a case of not having/spending enough time to prepare/re-learn these songs. Especially for JP, as arranging such a conference takes a significant amount of time and energy. I do not think these mistakes will affect him though - JP will be dialed in when the touring starts as always.
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They haven't played live in a while either, it's a completely different experience than just jamming along the tracks at home. Hopefully they're more warmed up for the upcoming DT tour.
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For those interested, this guy has uploaded videos of JP's band performing 5 different tracks live at JPGU last week: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZUUoXu_tM9rDOIQeUu_NJg/videos
This is great! I like it even more for the fact that JP is human and makes mistakes live. You can tell all three of the band members were a bit nervous especially during Terminal Velocity. You know what, that is totally ok and I can relate. I've made tons of clumsy mistakes live due to nerves.
It also comes down to the setting you are playing. That particular setting where they are playing looks a bit out of their element making them feel vulnerable. I love it! :metal
That could also be due to the audience they're performing for. They're all guitarists/musicians whom will be watching their every finger playing that note, and will be analyzing the playing as it's happening.
That's a lot of nerves to have when playing 😂
Could also be a case of not having/spending enough time to prepare/re-learn these songs. Especially for JP, as arranging such a conference takes a significant amount of time and energy. I do not think these mistakes will affect him though - JP will be dialed in when the touring starts as always.
Oh yeah. It could totally be that. They didn't have much time to rehearse the songs together.
Happy Song is awesome though to get to hear live.