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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: Kotowboy on September 06, 2009, 12:55:21 PM
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ON the Tool page it says " Are you ready for November 12th "
Wonder what it could mean..Exactly 3 and a half years after 10,000 Days...
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New Tool album? It's about time! :metal
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:2metal:
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Hell yes, here's hoping.
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Here's to hoping for more $9.99 singles featuring one remix of one song.
Seriously: Lateralus tour DVD?
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In all honesty it could be ANYTHING.
Maynard announcing a new wine flavour / Tool START the next album ? :facepalm:
The next album blatantly wont be out til 2011.
Aenima 96 - Lateralus 01 - 10,000 Days 06
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Live DVD please.
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Live DVD please.
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I just hope it's anything new from Tool. I just want something from them!
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It's possible that it could be a new album. I accepted the wait for Aenema and Lateralus but another 5 years with only 10,000 days to keep me going is asking a bit too much.
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I don't think it'll be a new album, I think it'll be a live dvd, but really it could be anything.
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It could be the announcement of a world tour, live DVD or even a new album being in the works for sometime next year or the year after.
Those are the three I'm counting on.
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Or a new setlist instead of the same one they've been using for 4 years?
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It won't be a live DVD. Maynard said they will never release one because
" If you buy the DVD you won't buy concert tickets "
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" If you watch a live DVD and then go to a show - you'll be like where are all the cool camera angles and pans and zooms ? "
WTF ??? Is this guy deluded or WHAT? :facepalm:
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Or you'll just see/hear how boring/flat he can be live.
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It won't be a live DVD. Maynard said they will never release one because
" If you buy the DVD you won't buy concert tickets "
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" If you watch a live DVD and then go to a show - you'll be like where are all the cool camera angles and pans and zooms ? "
WTF ??? Is this guy deluded or WHAT? :facepalm:
Maynard is a genius, but if those statements are true, that's really lame. I can't speak for everyone else, but his description did not fit me what-so-ever.
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EDIT: Nevermind. Don't want to turn this into a bashing Maynard thread.
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Or a new setlist instead of the same one they've been using for 4 years?
Nice.
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Weren't they working on a movie or something? Some kind of art film? What happened with that?
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It will be an announcement that Maynard will be working on a new APC or Puscifer album and people will weep quietly.
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It will be an announcement that Maynard will be working on a new APC or Puscifer album and people will weep quietly.
that would rock so much.
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Forgot all about this !! Nothing actually happened did it ?
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(https://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcStsijUVDTLEi4u0Kl2Xfq8rP_D3M0rEItD4gacukNJRLZDxHbn&t=1)
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Forgot all about this !! Nothing actually happened did it ?
holy fist of bump batman. well i am going to the APC concert, so that happened.
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New Tool album? It's about time! :metal
*reads post*
*looks at date of post*
*10,000 Days is still the most recent Tool album*
lol
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ON the Tool page it says " Are you ready for November 12th "
Wonder what it could mean..Exactly 3 and a half years after 10,000 Days...
i got it at 5 years, 6 months, 10 days
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Can't tell if serious.
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ON the Tool page it says " Are you ready for November 12th "
Wonder what it could mean..Exactly 3 and a half years after 10,000 Days...
i got it at 5 years, 6 months, 10 days
27 years, 4 months, 25 days.
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ffffuuuu I thought this was a new thread and told my mom Tool was gonna do something November 12th.
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oh, lol, so did i.
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FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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So yeah. Nothing happened.
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So yeah. Nothing happened.
Were you ready for it though?
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The next album blatantly wont be out til 2011.
Just found this old post. Wow :lol - what was I thinking ?!
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The next album blatantly wont be out til 2011.
Just found this old post. Wow :lol - what was I thinking ?!
It gave me a chuckle at least.
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The most recent update regarding Tool says they're in deep writing a new album. Don't know if they're in the studio recording yet. Probably not. I'v heard they spend a lot, and i mean a LOT, of time writing before recording anything. I wonder how long they've been writing this one. It's been a long time since 10 000 days. The long period between Aenima and Lateralus was said to be legal problems and label issues etc. I wonder what's been taking so long for this one. Tool's long tiring writing process is the reason Maynard has so many side-projects. He says he needs an out for his creativity. If Jones and Carey were jealous of APC, then why do they take so goddamn long to make music???
I hope the next one continues in the direction of Lateralus. 10 000 Days was great but didn't have the flow of Lateralus. It took elements from Lateralus and Aenima, and a bit of Undertown, and combined them. It doesn't feel like they were moving forward with the last one.
Lateralus is one of the best metal/progressive albums of all time. Fact. The spiritual and metaphysical themes Adam Jones is interested in and explores in his art and even music, the themes Alex Grey's art explores, and the lyrics by Maynard Keenan cam together in such a great way. I wonder if Maynard and the guys discussed what ideas and themes should infuse his lyrics beforehand.
Listening the Lateralus from start to finish is a trip. I feel that overall the album is about spiritual enlightenment. I don't really expect the band to top that album, but I hope they can provide an experience that effects me that much again. 10 000 Days was too start/stop. I love Rosetta Stoned, but the lyrics bring the song down. Could'v been much better if Maynard didn't turn it into a joke. But musically- fuckin amazing. Right In Two was the best off 10 000 days. And listening to Intension is always a satisfying experience. I get the feeling Maynard and the band weren't exactly on the same wavelength this time. I also remember reading a rumor claiming Adam Jones was unhappy with Maynard on this album. And Maynard's schedule with winemaking and all that shit prevented him from being in the studio with Jones while recording. I see Jones as the leader of Tool.
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At this point, I'm really not expecting Tool to ever release another album.
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I think 10,000 Days is pretty damn good! I never get tired of the intro to Vicarious.. when that riff hits.. oh God!
The extremely heavy sound is the best part about 10,000 Days I think. I read a production journal about the recording and mixing of 10,000 Days, in which the producer/engineer described the record as 'Undertow on steroids'. I think the record fits that description.
Adding to the cool heavy tracks, the title track hits me every time.
Absolute must for this record: Turn it up LOUD, especially the title track. Otherwise that one sounds way too subtle, especially part one.
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At this point, I'm really not expecting Tool to ever release another album.
I'm not sure why they'd bullshit everyone if they didn't have the intention (NUG).
I'd love one, but I'm not stressing it's release. If it releases sometime in my lifetime, fuckin awesome; if not, then no loss. I've actually been listening to them more and more recently (as is usually the case during this season). Love me some Disposition and Reflection. :heart :millahhhh
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I feel kinda bad for Maynard, since the other guys don't seem to be nearly as interested as he is, in making music.
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Really? I've gotten the impression that Maynard wasn't interested that much in Tool anymore.
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Well, he recently spoke out in an interview about it, and it comes off as him basically sitting around and waiting for the rest of them to finish the music.
Tool frontman Maynard James Keenan has spoken out on the current state of the new Tool record, confirming that it is being written but the process is very long winded and "tedious".
Currently focusing on new releases from his other bands A Perfect Circle and Puscifer, the singer-turned-winemaker has spoken out about about the follow up to the release of 10,000 Days. Released way back in 2006, the succeeding release has long been speculated about and has been pencilled in loosely for a 2014 release.
Speaking to Rolling Stone, Keenan confirmed that the process was underway, but hardly seemed positive about the process saying that he doesn't have much of a hand in the writing as the band need to bring him the tracks. This is a process that he claims they agonise over continuously, making the actual writing process a very arduous one.
"I don't write the music. They write the music," he said of how things are panning out. "I wait for them to bring music to me. They tend to go back over and over stuff. It's a long process. For a person like me, it can be a very tedious process. In some ways, they are bigger perfectionists. But you can only help support their talent so long. They don't have to go through it 700 times. They can trust that first thought. But that's their process, so you gotta let them do it." And is that process happening? "I couldn't tell you,"
Moving onto where the sound of the band may be going he added: "Just in general, each project is going to find its own way. Depending on the motivation. We're all in this together. I'm not pointing any fingers. I will take full responsibility if I have to."
Talking of why the band haven't toured in six years he said that they didn't want to move to the stage until they had new material in order to avoid becoming, musically stagnant.
"As an artist you don't want to become a greatest hits version of yourself, either," he said. "You want to push the boundaries. You want to figure out how can you challenge yourself to discover something new, discover something different about yourself. What are your limitations? What avenues can you push and expand? That is life. I don't have any interest in coasting yet." [/i]
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Hmm, that's interesting. I was thinking that he had gotten bored of Tool, and that's why he had started side projects, but this makes it seem more like he's doing the side projects because the rest of Tool aren't really moving.
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Yea when i wrote my post that was the article i was referencing. They are apparently working on music, google it. But with Tool, it's a long process. Obviously Maynard is different. I wouldn't expect him to only make music with Tool. I'm just fascinated how the other guys have such a long process.
Any yea, 10000 days is kinda like undertow on steroids. I'd say it's Lateralus injected into a undertow/aenima mixture. You wouldnt hear The Pot or even Jambi on Lateralus. I'm just hoping for more of a Lateralus evolved type thing with their next work.
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I'm wondering, what are people expecting from the next Tool album?
I think 10k day was great, but even the band knows that they didn't really exceed anyone's expectations with it. I think things will be different on the next one.....
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I'm not expecting anything.
10k days had an Undertow sound to it, with Lateralus' musicality. I enjoyed it and still do, Intension is the best thing they've ever done.
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It's been so long that I no longer expect anything from them other than a new album coming out....
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I'm not even expecting anything this year...
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I'm not even expecting anything for the next couple years...
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They are actually working on music. Look for the most recent update, where it's said they were finishing up an 'epic', and was almost ready to send to Maynard. That's cool. But what i hate hearing is that Maynard is so far removed from the band in the writing process. Apparently on 10k days he wasn't even able to record in the studio with Adam. Maybe that's part of why the lyrics were so-so. I'v always thought the themes explored in the lyrics of the Lateralus songs had Adam's name written all over them. Even though Maynard wrote them.
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They've been working on music forever, though.
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i would not be surprised if they released it in 2016 so it would be 10 years since 10,000 days.
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Maybe they're going to release it 10,000 days after 10,000 Days.
:omg:
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Haha that would make it 27 years after 2006.
2033 !
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:metal
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Edited for maths fail.
Aside from not releasing albums any sooner than 5 years at a time - they're all pushing 50 and Danny has been there for some time.
If they leave it much longer - they're not going to be able to perform the songs.
It will be easy for Adam - he just has to stand still and play Dm Pentatonic for 90 minutes.
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:lol Danny's really the only one I'd worry about, I don't think any of the rest of them have anything extremely difficult.
Well, some of Maynard's parts might be...
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Unless MJK's martial arts regimen is impeccable, he'll likely be a shell of himself in 5 years. He's had lots of parts that would be difficult even for a 35 year old (Eulogy 7:58 "Good..BYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYE!!!", that long-ass roar in The Grudge) so, barring anything extraordinary, next tour (assuming one even happens) will probably be everyone's final chance to see them without any noticeable weaknesses.
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Oh yeah, the part in The Grudge is amazing. Does he actually do that live? I remember searching for some videos on YouTube a while back, but I think I got distracted by something else. :lol
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If so, definitely not at every show if a friend of mine who's a huge Tool fan knew what she was talking about when she raved about "this one time when Maynard actually did the whole scream live." Even then, since they use a shitload of electronics in their live shows with all the ambient synth intros they do, that scream may have just been audio trickery anyway (real time looping or well-executed seamless tape playback injected in the midst of an otherwise live vocal peformance.)
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Well, if the gods are with me and I score tickets, I'll let you all know how they sound March 12th.
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If you mean the day after since their site says it's March 11. Just wanna make sure you don't accidentally request the wrong day.
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Yes, I was referring to the day after. ;)
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So Tool is coming to Spokane, Portland, and Eugene, but not Seattle? WTF. Seattle is almost as big as those three cities put together. Might head down to Oregon and see them with cousins in Eugene though.
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I can't seem to find on the website whether they're doing any other shows or just those...
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It looks like 5 west coast shows and one in Mexico. Tickets for SF go on sale at 10pst. (ROAD TRIP!!!!)
Edit: Them bitches went FAST. No dice. gonna have to look into scalper tix now :(
Edit #2: Paid an extra $50, but I'm finally gonna see Tool!!! :metal
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I saw TOOL & Mastodon in 2006 at Wembley Arena. Really echoey sound but what a show !
Could barely hear Mastodon due to an almost empty arena when they were on.
But saw them at their own show at London HMV Forum in 2007 and they were amazing.
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It looks like 5 west coast shows and one in Mexico. Tickets for SF go on sale at 10pst. (ROAD TRIP!!!!)
Edit: Them bitches went FAST. No dice. gonna have to look into scalper tix now :(
Edit #2: Paid an extra $50, but I'm finally gonna see Tool!!! :metal
:metal :2metal: :letam:
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Lateralus is the best them.
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Mastadon and Tool, that's a pretty cool pair.
Tool's shows are fuckin great. Can't believe they haven't released a DVD yet. Adam Jones is such a perfectionist it's crazy. Look how long it took for their last music video to come out.
I remember hearing that a lot of shows from their recent tours from 10kD were recorded. But nothing ever happened. I know they'v said they don't want to do just a live performance on video, like everyone else. I for one would love that. But if they can come up with something amazing, then I'm in.
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Wow, looks like they added another SF date. Unfortunately they're on weeknights so there's no way :(
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Is Tool still touring?
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Is Tool still touring?
Nope, these are all LIES.
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APC released a new one-off single that's really popular. Seems like they really want to make more music, but maybe aren't because Tool is working on a new one.
Iv been diggin the newer Puscifer cd. Conditions of my Parole. The first puscifer cd was pretty shitty, other then Momma Sed. But Conditions is so much better. The songs are of high quality, and feel like they were actually crafted with a lot of effort. I assume Maynard played the main role in writing the music, rather then just doing vocals. With Tool and APC he has no role in writing actual music. I read an interview from when 10k days was released where he seemed disappointed with the direction Adam and co. had taken with the music.
I was disappointed with his lyrics. His lyrics for Rosetta stoned turned the song into kind of a joke song. I love the theme of mystical and hallucinatory experiences, but not if it's just a joke.
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Wow, looks like they added another SF date. Unfortunately they're on weeknights so there's no way :(
Do it. I'll wear the apron with nothing else on for ya ;)
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Fucking tease! I really can't do middle of the week :(
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I was disappointed with his lyrics. His lyrics for Rosetta stoned turned the song into kind of a joke song. I love the theme of mystical and hallucinatory experiences, but not if it's just a joke.
:( it just might be my favorite song, lyrically
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I still think Rosetta Stoned is an incredibly awesome song. But with less silly lyrics it could have been even more.
What do you guys think of Undertown? I got into it after Lateralus and Aenima, so i was turned off at first. But now I think it's pretty impressive. Quite different and more straightforward then what they ended up doing after. Prison Sex is a great songs, I'm surprised Sober ended up being a way bigger hit then it.
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I think Rosetta Stoned is a great song but it goes on for a bit too long, they should of ended it right after that huge climax.
Undertow is great, it's more a collection of songs, but really great songs.
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it's more a collection of songs, but really great songs.
It almost sounds like you think slightly less of it for not being a concept or themed album. If I misread that, forgive me.
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What do you guys think of Undertown? I got into it after Lateralus and Aenima, so i was turned off at first. But now I think it's pretty impressive. Quite different and more straightforward then what they ended up doing after. Prison Sex is a great songs, I'm surprised Sober ended up being a way bigger hit then it.
Lateralus
Aenima
10 000 Days
Opiate
Undertow
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Undertow is good, but not my favorite, I enjoy 4º, Undertow, Swamp Song and the hidden track Disgustipated.
Also, I like Rosetta Stoneds lyrics. It's a funny story of this guy whom was told about things but couldn't remember shit. Its all told in a hospital room as well, so maybe he actually did shit the bed. The song is a nice ying-yang from Third Eye.
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I liked how Rosetta Stoned led up to a climax, like the song Lateralus, except totally different.... Not as rewarding, but still a great climax. Like someone said, it may have been better if they ended it after the climax. I'v never had an experience listening to a song like the first time I heard Lateralus from start to finish. The way it builds- just amazing.
I feel like Lateralus the album is somewhat of a concept album, even if it isn't. I may have said this before, but I feel like the album deals with spiritual themes, the soul, and other metaphysical-like ideas. I love that fuckin album. I don't think Tool can ever top it. I feel like they can't go any further mucsically, like Lateralus was the album everything led up to. I hope the do something more amazing and something you could never think of on their next one.
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Is there a good reason not to retitle the thread to just "Tool News"?
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Call it...Tools, Tool?
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Is there a good reason not to retitle the thread to just "Tool News"?
Tool News would be a lie most of the time :lol, let's just call it the Tool thread
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Or, we could use the actual Tool thread here :lol (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=18743.0)
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:lol It Is Done.
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it's more a collection of songs, but really great songs.
It almost sounds like you think slightly less of it for not being a concept or themed album. If I misread that, forgive me.
Oh no, not at all, I think it's a great album.
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Does anyone else remember sometime after 10000 Days was released and the band was touring that there was talk of Tool releasing a live DVD, and how people were seeing professional camera's filming their live shows? Didn't Adam Jones ever address this?
I know a Tool DVD would be amazing, because Jones would not let it be anything less. He has film experience himself, and lots of other creative talent with visual arts. I doubt it would just be a live performance, although that would be amazing. They should at least let one of their filmed shows be released on DVD, and if they have a desire to do something more with another DVD then work on another DVD!!!
I wonder if Alex Grey will be doing the art for their next album. I fucking love what he did with Lateralus and 10k. The Vicarious video is one of the coolest things I've ever seen.
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Maynard said there will never be a Tool album because :
" Then people will come to the shows expecting cool angles and zooms "
:facepalm:
Because that's what I expect every time I go to a gig and I wonder why my eyes can't zoom in and switch between members.
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:lol It Is Done.
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Tool is incredibly popular it seems. If memory serves me right, 10000 days reached #1 and stayed there for quite awhile. That's awesome. I'd say they're like the new pink Floyd, although musically they're more similar to King Crimson or Sabbath.
Anyone ever listen to the first 30seconds to mars album? It's very different from their newer stuff, and is something that will appeal more to fans of bands like Tool, and progressive Space Metal (new subgenre?)
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Maynard said there will never be a Tool album because :
" Then people will come to the shows expecting cool angles and zooms "
:facepalm:
album = DVD?
Tool is incredibly popular it seems. If memory serves me right, 10000 days reached #1 and stayed there for quite awhile. That's awesome. I'd say they're like the new pink Floyd, although musically they're more similar to King Crimson or Sabbath.
Anyone ever listen to the first 30seconds to mars album? It's very different from their newer stuff, and is something that will appeal more to fans of bands like Tool, and progressive Space Metal (new subgenre?)
idk about being musically similar to PF or BS...probs some king crimson, though im not familiar w enough of their material.
as for progressive space metal, i'd say the term's been used a bunch. Amplifier, who can actually sound a hell of a lot like tool when they wanna, would definitely fit into that category.
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I'm pretty sure Ayreon are progressive space metal.
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yes, that too.
even Heart of Cygnus and BTBAM try their damndest to qualify.
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I'v seen a few video's on youtube listed New Tool or something like that. Of course they're fake, but some of them capture that Tool sound really well. I'd say it would be cool in a way if some of the people doing that stuff actually made a complete album imitating Tool. They could get one of those Maynard-wannabe vocalists, like the guy from Chevelle.
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Except good though.
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https://consequenceofsound.net/2014/03/tools-new-album-is-finished-finally/
Here’s a sentence eight years in the making: Tool have finished their new studio album.
According to Crave Online, guitarist Adam Jones has confirmed that the long-awaited follow-up to 2006′s 10,000 Days is ”100% done” and should arrive later this year.
In an interview with Loudwire last summer, drummer Danny Carey insinuated that some outside forces were holding up the album’s release. ”We could have the record finished by the end of the year – that’s a possibility, but the logistics of getting it manufactured and getting the record company in line and all this stuff, I doubt we’ll be able to get it out before Christmas. We’ll see how it goes. Most likely, it’ll be early 2014.”
Meanwhile, frontman Maynard James Keenan spoke about the band’s intricate recording process in an interview with Rolling Stone last November. ”I don’t write the music. They write the music,” he said of his bandmates. “I wait for them to bring music to me. They tend to go back over and over stuff. It’s a long process. For a person like me, it can be a very tedious process.”
Keenan continued, ”In some ways, they are bigger perfectionists. But you can only help support their talent so long. They don’t have to go through it 700 times. They can trust that first thought. But that’s their process, so you gotta let them do it.” And is that process happening? “I couldn’t tell you.”
Tool is currently touring the U.S., their first such jaunt in two years. Thus far, they’ve stuck to the greatest hits.
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lol
5 years later...
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....I didn't think this could actually happen.
...I still don't think this can actually happen.
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Pinch me, I must be dreaming!
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I'll believe it when I see it in the store.
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:omg:
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I know it says it right there, but I find this hard to believe.
Even if they have finished it, I doubt we'll see it this year.
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Let's get some other things out of the way first, like my first ever Tool show next Tuesday!!! :metal
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Let's get some other things out of the way first, like my first ever Tool show next Tuesday!!! :metal
Looks like they're sticking with the standard fair. All songs that have been on the last couple of tours thus far. There's only been one show, but it does seem they're going heavier as opposed to a lot of the more ambient type stuff.
I actually came here to post a video of Lateralus, but since you'll be seeing it live for the first time in a few nights I'll not spoil anything.
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Alright. Looking forward to the newest Tool. 10,000 Days has one of my all-time favorite songs on it, Intension which was Amazing live when I saw them
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https://www.craveonline.com/music/articles/656301-exclusive-new-tool-album-reportedly-finished-set-for-2014-release
What do we reckon ? More mis-information ? For reals this time ?
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A bit late bro, but still, it's hard to believe. I ain't holding my breath.
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I believe this more than I believe Metallica are writing.
The Tool news whilst slow has at least been fairly consistent..
" we're writing....we're working on the epic....we're still writing...Maynard hasn't written any vocals yet....the songs are done...waiting for maynard....finished...."
With Metallica it's been..
" We've got 5 or 6 songs finished.....album starts in 2011....we've been in the studio writing for several weeks in 2013....we don't have any finished songs yet.....we haven't started writing yet.....new song in March....We haven't written a new song yet..."
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Nice! It'll be interesting to hear.
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First show's tonight in Portland, I'm sure we'll hear if new stuff is cranking or not by tomorrow.
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They've actually played a couple of shows already and the setlists can be found at setlist.fm.
Tool have unnecessarily long gaps between their album releases, but at least haven't made the fans wait for over 20 years like My Bloody Valentine did after Loveless :P
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But in the case of My Bloody Valentine, they ACTUALLY broke up in between Loveless and MBV. In Tool's case, they were just on hiatus in between album cycles.
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Story's fake: https://twitter.com/AdamJones_tv/status/442003891551342592 (https://twitter.com/AdamJones_tv/status/442003891551342592)
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Story's fake: https://twitter.com/AdamJones_tv/status/442003891551342592 (https://twitter.com/AdamJones_tv/status/442003891551342592)
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-hbLTd-3Jmds/Tw_4k1FNaBI/AAAAAAAAb8o/rZ554_6GOE0/s1600/213802-goodgrief_super.jpg)
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At this point, I'm not sure if I can muster up a fuck to give about this band anymore.
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Had to be.
At this point, I'm not sure if I can muster up a fuck to give about this band anymore.
Add Metallica to that as well.
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I wonder if they have even written a single note for the new record....
Oh well . . .
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Two new albums that - if they ever come out - I will listen to them - but i don't care about either band anymore.
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Story's fake: https://twitter.com/AdamJones_tv/status/442003891551342592 (https://twitter.com/AdamJones_tv/status/442003891551342592)
Knew it.
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Two new albums that - if they ever come out - I will listen to them - but i don't care about either band anymore.
I think Metallica will do something. They are certainly more active and have more of a chance of getting something out way before Tool IMO.
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While it's true that Metallica take their sweet time with new albums, at least they stay busy and put out other stuff.
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In some ways I'm glad that bands like Mastodon, Therapy? and Dream Theater need to tour / record / tour / record / tour record.
It almost guarantees new music regularly. If DT13 suddenly sold 30 million copies - they might start to get lazy and complacent too.
Plus - Therapy? and DT have such small gaps between releasing an album / touring / getting back into the writing process - that if you don't like one album -
- you don't have *that* long to wait until the next one.
If you didn't like "Reload" - you had to wait a further 6 years to get "St. Anger" and then another 5 for "Death Magnetic" and now another 6 years and counting...
And if you didn't like " 10,000 Days " back in 2006 well ... Bad luck :biggrin:
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Looks like the folks up in Portland got 3rd Eye instead of Hooker with a Penis. Big improvement. Kind of makes me wish I were seeing both Texas shows now instead of just one.
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If I ever get the chance to see Tool live and they play Third Eye it would probably go down as one of my greatest live concert experiences ever. The live version on Salival is amazing.
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Just read the past few pages of the thread... :facepalm:
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I saw them open with Third Eye in 1997. Shitty place to see them. The sound was terrible at this college in Fitchburg, Ma.
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tool = quite possibly the least enjoyable concert ive been to.
for sure the worst in comparison to how much I like the band's music. gave em a 2/10. they mighta got a 4 had I ingested a hallucinogen.
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Agreed 100%.
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I was in the nose bleeds and the show was still pretty cool sober.
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I saw them live once and thought it was pretty great. We were all the way in the back of the arena so we could barely even see the band, but the setlist was great and the whole lighting/production was amazing.
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I didn't mean they put on a shitty show but the fact that at least 20 minutes of the roughly 2 hour set was needlessly wasted with lengthy synth intros/segues that were way bland compared to their actual songs was fucking infuriating since it basically meant I paid $60 for barely more than 90 minutes of actual songs and they didn't play anything from before Ænima. Those extra 20 minutes would've been at least 3 songs.
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I've heard that their shows take the focus away from the band, and really are more about "the art of the spectacle"... I think that sounds like an awesome concept that no one (save Pink Floyd) has really tried. Would you guys say that's an accurate description of a Tool show?
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The spectacle of it had a floyd vibe, but that I had no problem with. My issue was with Maynard phoning it in big time. At least he did with my show. It was like he didn't even want to be there.
And he was not like that back in 2000 when I saw him with APC. With that show he had mammoth stage presense and held the audience in his hand.
All in all, I was pretty let down by seeing Tool, but it was on my concert to do list, so what evs. I won't be seeing them again though.
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That is surprising to me that Maynard was EVER a big time front man, because the stuff I've heard is that he has always had a tendency to shy away from the spotlight in concert....to the point of sometimes singing the entire show in the shadows behind the drumkit. (thus, sticking to the idea of making a Tool concert more about the complete package of the music and spectacle rather than the actual musicians in the band)
I'm only going off what I've heard described to me.
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...to the point of sometimes singing the entire show in the shadows behind the drumkit.
That's what he's been doing for all of the recent tours. He says it allows him to focus on his singing more, and to allow the other three guys to get more attention.
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The show I saw in 97 he had his back to us the whole show and was painted up like Blue Man Group and only wore a white silk boxers with red little hearts on them. :lol
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Maynard's an odd guy.
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I never thought it was about the spectacle in as much as the big picture. They certainly try to deemphasize the performers somewhat in relation to the music, and an active stage show does that. Still, 3 of them are usually lit up and fun to watch. As for Maynard, Tool is about more than just him. He'd rather be in the background for his own reasons, and for the sake of the band who are wrongly unappreciated in comparison. Consider that 1/3 to 1/2 of the audience are drunken assholes who only know Maynard and just went to here AEnima and Forty-six and 2. That's been his explanation for why he leaves the stage and doesn't participate in the whole group bow thing. The band deserves the appreciation more than him, and I agree with him.
That said, Maynard has good nights and nights that he just takes a piss. I've seen him do a variety of neat and/or peculiar things. When he was Officer Maynard he walked to the front of the stage and issued a parking ticket to the guest drummer's kit. I've also seen Reverand Maynard and Mrs. Maynard perform (Texas usually gets Cowboy Maynard). My issue isn't with his stage presence but his varying interest in singing the parts. Some nights he really belts it out and others he's just phoning it in.
edit: JD, he's never behind the drum kit. There's a double sized riser with DC on one half and Maynard on the other. While DC and the other lads have some lighting on them, Maynard remains in shadow of the large screens behind him. You'll often see him pretty well and other times he's just a silhouette.
This pretty much gives you the whole picture. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7MIdAXy9Bc&feature=player_detailpage#t=436 It's pretty much what they do now.
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10, 000 Days tour had their best production. The entire stage was one big video screen, it made for some amazing moments for us in the seats. Also, during the intermission, after 10, 000 days, Adam and Justin just stayed onstage and sat at the end of thr stage towards the audience. The entire venue then lit up with lighters, it looked like a candlelight vigil. Was really amazing.
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10, 000 Days tour had their best production. The entire stage was one big video screen, it made for some amazing moments for us in the seats. Also, during the intermission, after 10, 000 days, Adam and Justin just stayed onstage and sat at the end of thr stage towards the audience. The entire venue then lit up with lighters, it looked like a candlelight vigil. Was really amazing.
They did that for me too - I was at Wembley Arena late 2006. With Mastodon supporting..
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Mastooldon.
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They have some new shows planned, I believe. It's crazy how long it takes between new albums. It's getting ridiculous. But like i said earlier, there was an update a while ago describing songwriting taking place with the band. So this is Tool we're talking about, meaning we could wake up tomorrow and find out the release date of their next album. I hope a new Tool album is the real reason Perfect Circle is refraining from doing a new full-length album.
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They have some new shows planned, I believe.
I seriously hope by "new shows planned" that means they're planning some East Coast shows. If it is, then I hope one of them is a NYC date.
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OK, that was easily one of the sickest, most mindblowing fucking shows I have ever seen.
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You know it's not my thang, but :tup none-the-less
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Do they have an opener for this tour?
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I'm calling it right now....
The release date for the new Tool album will be September 20th 2033.
10,000 days from the release of their last album. NUGGETZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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This is crazy how long it takes between albums. I remember the reasons for the time between Aenima and Lateralus, which was label issues which is understandable. But these days, come on! I do realize that THEY probably realize the legacy Tool has, and it's a big one, so i can kinda see why they don't do a new one every 2 years, This was it makes a new Tool album a big event, just like a new Metallica, and in the circles I'v gravitated around, a new Linkin Park album (although their last one didn't make a very big splash. Then again i don't listen to radio anymore or talk to many into that stuff).
I'm sure we will get a new album within the next 2 years...but obviously 2 years is still waaay too long. I'm hoping within the next year it will be announced that they've finished a new album. If that does not happen, then it will destroy my already deteriorating opinion of the band. And i actually realize it's not Maynards fault, as i read where he himself said that they take too long to make new albums so he has to do other stuff like Puscifer, APC etc. It was in that big spread on Tool in that magazine a few years ago. Maynard said he get's frustrated by how much time it takes the other guys to complete the songs.
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I think the legacy thing is a double-edged sword when you factor in how many fans get frustrated/pissed by their perpetual leadings on. Also, while some fans may judge an album with greater scrutiny due to the long time it took to come out, most Tool fans are so rabid for new material that they'll likely be so glad for its release that bad parts of it will be forgiven, average parts will be considered good, and anything good-or-better will be considered excellent. Kinda makes you wonder if Tool somewhat doubts themselves (especially after 10KD's failure to garner the same acclaim Lateralus did) and figures they can milk a better reception for the new album by dragging their heels.
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I think the legacy thing is a double-edged sword when you factor in how many fans get frustrated/pissed by their perpetual leadings on. Also, while some fans may judge an album with greater scrutiny due to the long time it took to come out, most Tool fans are so rabid for new material that they'll likely be so glad for its release that bad parts of it will be forgiven, average parts will be considered good, and anything good-or-better will be considered excellent. Kinda makes you wonder if Tool somewhat doubts themselves (especially after 10KD's failure to garner the same acclaim Lateralus did) and figures they can milk a better reception for the new album by dragging their heels.
Rubbish. For one thing, you're already dismissing the possibility that maybe there's excellent material on the new album anyway. Next, name any band that's ever made every album better than the one that preceded it. You make albums and hope that people like them. Sometimes you make a masterpiece and sometimes you don't. The trick is to still make one occasionally. And as for 10k, I think pretty much everybody liked it a lot. It wasn't Lateralus, but expecting every album to live up to that is silly, and I suspect the guys in the band are wise enough to realize that. In fact, I suspect the guys are smart enough to realize that no matter what they do plenty of people will like it and plenty will bitch about it for whatever reason; just like any other successful band. Best to just do what makes you happy, I think.
As for me, I just enjoy seeing them live. One of the best shows I've seen from them tonight. Good setlist, band sounded great and Maynard showed up. All around great gig.
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What I like about Tool is their albums also are all one tied concept.
Undertow is about being in the rock bottom of your life, due to drugs etc...
Aenima is after you crawled up from the bottom onto the surface viewing things in life differently, beginning the cleansing process to reach euphoria.
Lateralus, the process of releasing your ego and freeing your spiritual mind becoming one with all.
10, 000 Days is viewing the world again only the perception is completely different, like looking with fresh eyes and a clean mind at the world.
Its all just speculation, but I found that cool.
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What I like about Tool is their albums also are all one tied concept.
Undertow is about being in the rock bottom of your life, due to drugs etc...
Aenima is after you crawled up from the bottom onto the surface viewing things in life differently, beginning the cleansing process to reach euphoria.
Lateralus, the process of releasing your ego and freeing your spiritual mind becoming one with all.
10, 000 Days is viewing the world again only the perception is completely different, like looking with fresh eyes and a clean mind at the world.
Its all just speculation, but I found that cool.
That does sound like something someone on the Tool Navy forum would post and there would be 50 pages discussing it :lol
Tenuous coincidence at best.
Lateralus can also be seen as a break-up or bad relationships album.
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I don't think Iv ever heard a Tool fan say 10K was bad. I know some have been disappointed by it though, because considering how long it took there are not enough songs and some boring filler. I don't think they will ever top Lateralus. I really like 10K Days, but there's just not enough material on it.
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Yeah considering there are 11 tracks - there's only about 7 individual songs
1. Vicarious
2. Jambi
3. Wings For Marie / 10,000 Days
4. The Pot
5. Lost Keys / Rosetta Stoned
6. Intension
7. Right In Two.
And don't get me started on the whole Wings / Viginti Tres supposed mash-up.
I've heard a few iterations of it and it just doesn't work at all.
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The song 10 000 Days i must admit is one of their best compositions so far. I only really listen to it every once in a while, because of the mood of it. Maynard was also doing some odd things with his voice on this album...
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Some days I almost feel 10 000 Days is my favourite. I don't know there's lots I love on it.
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The song 10 000 Days i must admit is one of their best compositions so far. I only really listen to it every once in a while, because of the mood of it. Maynard was also doing some odd things with his voice on this album...
I like the Rosetta Stoned vocals. It was Maynard singing into a pipe with a guitar pickup inside.
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They did a lot of cool sound techniques. Like the Bass feedback in Lost Keys.
The mandala pad, I think was used in Right In Two, or Intension.
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When the FUCK are they going to say something about a new album? WHERE THE FUCK IS IT???? I have begun to resent this band. Lazy fucks
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A new album would be sweet but I try to not think about it. There's a lot of other music I keep myself busy with. If a new Tool album never happens, I will be fine, if it does eventually come out, that will be cool as well.
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I'm pretty sure there's no such thing as a new album. Don't think it will ever happen.
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I don't mind if they take their time. Its their choice, and no point getting mad.
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Difficult buggers that they are - I wouldn't be surprised if they were stringing everyone along this entire time.
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But what bothers me is how they claimed the reason for the time between their other albums was legal problems with the label etc etc. Which was why Maynard did APC. And Jones and Carey even admitted to being somewhat worried about that.
I wonder if they'll have an excuse this time...
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Both Metallica & Tool promised new albums a lot quicker this time around.
And in both cases it's taken a lot longer. :lol
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I think they just aren't hungry for it. The are all older and successful, maybe the drive just isn't there to make another full album.
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I never had heard any music from Tool before last summer. I just "knew" that it was something progressive with some "psychedelic" influences.
So I decided to get 10000 days and it I was totally blown away by it :D ! It took me many many many listens to finally "get" the music but since then it has been one of my favourite bands.
I listened to 10000 days for 6 months before getting another album.. which was Lateralus. Lateralus took even more listens to really get into.. But what a great album!
So , It has been almost a year now when I first time heard tool and I have only listened to those two albums... I'm gonna buy Aenima next and hope that it will same kind of impact on me as 10000 days and lateralus!
I'm really waiting for the new album.. I hope it comes this year! :P
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I never had heard any music from Tool before last summer. I just "knew" that it was something progressive with some "psychedelic" influences.
So I decided to get 10000 days and it I was totally blown away by it :D ! It took me many many many listens to finally "get" the music but since then it has been one of my favourite bands.
I listened to 10000 days for 6 months before getting another album.. which was Lateralus. Lateralus took even more listens to really get into.. But what a great album!
So , It has been almost a year now when I first time heard tool and I have only listened to those two albums... I'm gonna buy Aenima next and hope that it will same kind of impact on me as 10000 days and lateralus!
I'm really waiting for the new album.. I hope it comes this year! :P
Get Aenima NOW!!!
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Get Aenima NOW!!!
Agreed, its a must have.
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I'M GONNA BUY IT NEXT WEEK! O_O
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I'M GONNA BUY IT NEXT WEEK! O_O
That's too far away.
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In my eyes 'Lateralus' is their masterpiece. It embodies everything that Tool is. All their other albums are great, but Lateralus is all of them combined. Hitting the songs Lateralus and then Reflection are such amazing experiences, because the whole album is like some kind of spiritual journey and by the end it feels so complete. It was apparently a coincidence that the lyrical meanings went so well with the concepts Adam Jones and co. were incorporating into the music. This i read in some interview.
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I agree. I don't think anything Tool ever releases will top Lateralus for me. It is the complete package.
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I actually think that 10000 days is better than lateralus :P
But both albums are masterpieces.... One of the best albums I have ever heard.
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I really ought to listen to 10000 days more; most of my experiences with Tool are limited to the first three albums.
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Is Undertow good??? I heard that it is more "grungeish" and less "psychedelish" :D
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Is Undertow good??? I heard that it is more "grungeish" and less "psychedelish" :D
All Tool albums are good.
And yes, Undertow is very different in that they had a very aggressive, grungeish thing going on, but its still an excellent album. And its not like tool has 20 albums like Rush. Its 4 proper albums, then the 1 EP and Its worth having them all.
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Untertwo is great. As Phoenix mentioned, its a quite aggressive. It also has a very raw feel to it, that I really enjoy.
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Is Undertow good??? I heard that it is more "grungeish" and less "psychedelish" :D
All Tool albums are good.
And yes, Undertow is very different in that they had a very aggressive, grungeish thing going on, but its still an excellent album. And its not like tool has 20 albums like Rush. Its 4 proper albums, then the 1 EP and Its worth having them all.
You forgot Salival. A dvd of their music videos up to Aenima, and a cd of live and studio tracks, it has the Timothy Leary intro of Third Eye, a badass reinterpretation of Pushit, part of me live, Merkaba (a nice spacey, trip instrumental), A cover of No Quarter, and Maynards Dick after L.A.M.C. its worth tracking down for the live songs and Merkaba.
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Is Undertow good??? I heard that it is more "grungeish" and less "psychedelish" :D
All Tool albums are good.
And yes, Undertow is very different in that they had a very aggressive, grungeish thing going on, but its still an excellent album. And its not like tool has 20 albums like Rush. Its 4 proper albums, then the 1 EP and Its worth having them all.
You forgot Salival. A dvd of their music videos up to Aenima, and a cd of live and studio tracks, it has the Timothy Leary intro of Third Eye, a badass reinterpretation of Pushit, part of me live, Merkaba (a nice spacey, trip instrumental), A cover of No Quarter, and Maynards Dick after L.A.M.C. its worth tracking down for the live songs and Merkaba.
Agreed.
Salival is definitely another excellent addition and I completely forgot about it. I think I'm going to have to dig that out, its been a while.
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I have mine sitting next to me, when I read your post I happened to look at it.
I lucked out when I found it on amazon, like new but used
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I'm not a fan of Opiate or Undertow for that matter. Aenima, Lateralus, and 10k days are the only Tool albums I listen to (I think there's one or two songs of Undertow that I really like), Lateralus being my favorite (one of my all time favorite albums actually). It's perfect imo.
If you guys haven't checked out Volto, give it a spin. It's great to hear Danny Carey on a fusion setting. And the music is not too shabby either.
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oh man, the Volto record is AMAZING. their guitar player clearly goes for the same thing as Adam so it sounds like a Tool jam record!
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If I had to rank the Tool albums...
Lateralus > Ænima > 10,000 Days > Undertow
If I included Opiate, I'd actually rank it higher than Undertow believe it or not.
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Tool is the one and only band I can't rank. I pretty much Like all the albums equally. It just depends on mood, which one I will listen to.
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I'm not a fan of Opiate or Undertow for that matter. Aenima, Lateralus, and 10k days are the only Tool albums I listen to (I think there's one or two songs of Undertow that I really like), Lateralus being my favorite (one of my all time favorite albums actually). It's perfect imo.
If you guys haven't checked out Volto, give it a spin. It's great to hear Danny Carey on a fusion setting. And the music is not too shabby either.
I was really impressed with the Volto record, I should give it a spin this afternoon.
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Tool is the one and only band I can't rank. I pretty much Like all the albums equally. It just depends on mood, which one I will listen to.
Oh I can. i think Lateralus is absolutely their best album. After that it goes Aenima > 10,000 Days > undertow. :)
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TOOL NEWSLETTER
JUNE 2014 E.V.
MERCURY RETROGRADE
Be prepared for lots of problems as MERCURY GOES RETROGRADE UNTIL... JULY 1. So, if your cell phone call drops out in the canyon... If your order from the shopping bazaar is the wrong shirt size... If your Bic won't spark that blunt after only 2,999 flicks... If your VHS tape of "The Eighteen Year Old SchoolGirls" suddenly has a faulty end-of-tape detection mechanism... If the Cheetos nubs in the bag are smaller than usual... If your car battery goes dead (and there's no alien spaceship that sounds like a broken lawnmower nearby)... If they get your order wrong at the Jack-In-The-Box drive-thru... If your cochlear neural interface implant goes on the fritz... If the commercials are louder than the television show that your watching... If you get bitten by a black widow spider after falling onto the floor after being hit between the eyes by popped champagne cork... YOU NOW KNOW WHAT TO BLAME.
Also, if you are currently working on ANY creative project, you should probably stop until after July 1... Unless, of course, you are in a band called TOOL, and busy working on material for a new record. If this is the case, back up your hard drive... and go with the flow!
SLIART YPPAH
Be prepared for fuck all happening on July 1st :lol
Just like when they advertised November 2009 as a "untitled Tool Project" . . . .
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It's like watching a fuckload of fish storming the food pellets.
Not here, but every other person I know that is into Tool is freaking out, and on other message boards. Ugh... It's cool seeing updates, sure; but yeah, every announcement is nothing but lubrication for an ass-fucking.
Until it isn't. When that time comes, so will I. Till then, I'm just beatin' the meat. :\ :corn
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I can't ever tell what the newsletter is actually saying. It's just gibberish.
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I suppose that's mostly the point. It could be big news, it probably isn't, but it's so faded beneath loads of bullshit that most of the dimwitted tools (LLLLLOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLL) fall for it anyway. It'd be nice if it was. I'm expecting zilch. Moving along...
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TOOL NEWSLETTER
JUNE 2014 E.V.
MERCURY RETROGRADE
Be prepared for lots of problems as MERCURY GOES RETROGRADE UNTIL... JULY 1. So, if your cell phone call drops out in the canyon... If your order from the shopping bazaar is the wrong shirt size... If your Bic won't spark that blunt after only 2,999 flicks... If your VHS tape of "The Eighteen Year Old SchoolGirls" suddenly has a faulty end-of-tape detection mechanism... If the Cheetos nubs in the bag are smaller than usual... If your car battery goes dead (and there's no alien spaceship that sounds like a broken lawnmower nearby)... If they get your order wrong at the Jack-In-The-Box drive-thru... If your cochlear neural interface implant goes on the fritz... If the commercials are louder than the television show that your watching... If you get bitten by a black widow spider after falling onto the floor after being hit between the eyes by popped champagne cork... YOU NOW KNOW WHAT TO BLAME.
Also, if you are currently working on ANY creative project, you should probably stop until after July 1... Unless, of course, you are in a band called TOOL, and busy working on material for a new record. If this is the case, back up your hard drive... and go with the flow!
SLIART YPPAH
Fuck that non sense.
I can't even take even take their website seriously, with all that bullshit.
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Tool is the chick that fondles you and acts like a Tijuana hooker, then when you try to move in, she slaps you and calls you a womanizer.
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THAT WAS ONE TIME! IT WAS A BAD DAY! >:(
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Yeah! I just bought Aenima! ;D
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I find it interesting they don't specify whether or not they are referring to July 1st, 2014. :lol
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The Tool site is so shit - they don't even have 10,000 days in the discography section.
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The Tool site is so shit - they don't even have 10,000 days in the discography section.
They won't add it until it's been out 10,000 days. :P
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So next week then :p
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10, 000 days Is the fake album that's why. Haha
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I have listened Aenima for about 20 times now. It's pretty good album! I think that The Third Eye might be my favourite song from the album at the moment.
But I got to say that Aenima doesn't even come close to the greatness of 10000 days... for now.
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For me, Pushit, H., Eulogy and Third Eye are my faves off the album.
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I wasn't aware of the legal problems mentioned in this article:
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/tools-adam-jones-danny-carey-explain-new-album-delay/
Of course, the "it's done when it's done" comment has me thinking we're looking at a 2016 release minimum :lol
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You know, even though I have no problem waiting for albums anyway, it should shut the whiners right up (not referencing anything here so don't go all drama) with the comment "It's not good when it's done, it's done when it's good". I really like that he said that and it's a reminder that the longer you work on something, the more it (hopefully lolz) gets better, more refined. Hopefully everything is finally resolved before the final work begins but it sounds like they just need to figure out their own lives and get shit done, then they can get together and hash out an epic. It's cool to hear they've got one already it sounds.
But y'know, they've been at least keeping us updated as opposed to the last few years and it's been getting more and more steady. Either way it's getting there, good to hear.
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I'm by no means a Tool fan, but I happened across that article today and couldn't help but laugh my ass off. Such a lawsuit wouldn't keep a band of Tool's status from having an album all but on the shelves if they really wanted it. They might not be able to release anything right now, but they've had more than enough time to be one step away from that. For a band that is notorious for making fans wait this "news" seems like nothing but a cop out.
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I think that's a bit much, it isn't as if they're making out the lawsuit to be the only reason that they haven't released anything. I don't see why they'd lie about that, they clearly don't feel any need to appease the fans, and I'm fine with that. I think the term 'making the fans wait' is kinda odd...a band releases material when they release it. It's not like they were on a specific schedule for any long period of albums. :lol I just don't see the cop out in this...it's just news, and 'a part' of the reason for delay.
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I'm by no means a Tool fan, but I happened across that article today and couldn't help but laugh my ass off. Such a lawsuit wouldn't keep a band of Tool's status from having an album all but on the shelves if they really wanted it. They might not be able to release anything right now, but they've had more than enough time to be one step away from that. For a band that is notorious for making fans wait this "news" seems like nothing but a cop out.
It would if its all you can focus on at the moment.
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Just read the article. It was actually seeming like they were in the middle of making a new album and therfor I felt hope. But this? This just guarantees and even longer wait. Who knows how long this could go on for. I find it hard to believe this is the reason there is no new Tool.
I often compare DT to Tool. Tool takes years to make an album. DT can't stop they're constant writing/recording process. But the guys in DT live and breathe Dream Theater, whereas the Tool guys have all sorts of things they do besides Tool. But both are considered the two major progressive Metal bands at present.
And i know now that clearly this has nothing to do with Maynard. It's the other guys. A recent interview with Maynard had him saying things that looked as if he was frustrated with the other guys for being so slow. That's why he has APC and Puscifer. But unfortunately neither compare to Tool (although 13th Step was just brilliant).
And also, DT seem to released a live DVD every new album tour it seems. There has been a Tool DVD in the making for years and years now. I don't understand why they can't just release a DVD at least. Clearly there is footage. I remember hearing how there were film cameras seen at a lot of their concerts not long after 10000 days was released.
This band is frustrating me sooo much. They are the most unique band out there. Time is wasting.
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I'm by no means a Tool fan, but I happened across that article today and couldn't help but laugh my ass off. Such a lawsuit wouldn't keep a band of Tool's status from having an album all but on the shelves if they really wanted it. They might not be able to release anything right now, but they've had more than enough time to be one step away from that. For a band that is notorious for making fans wait this "news" seems like nothing but a cop out.
It would if its all you can focus on at the moment.
Clearly it's not seeing as they release plenty of other music through other bands.
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Exactly like Volto!
They're so full of it. One lawsuit shouldn't have delayed an album this much - especially when the lawsuit itself doesn't prevent them from making it.
if they said there was a lawsuit against them performing and recording as TOOL then maybe.
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They probably thought it would be "funny" to make people wait 10 years.
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Tool should get Kevin Shields to join the band and they can aim for a 2022 release date.
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Seriously, fuck Tool. I love them an will love all their amazing albums, but fucking around the fans like this is just getting disrespectful. They should be open and honest and say a new album is not likely, don't cocktease us.
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I've a suggestion to keep you all [and me] occupied.
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Tool should get Kevin Shields to join the band and they can aim for a 2022 release date.
That'd be really weird yet so badass.
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I've a suggestion to keep you all [and me] occupied.
All you know about me is what I sold you, dumbfuck
I sold out long before you even heard my name
I sold my soul to make a record, dipshit
And then
You
Bought
OOONNNNNEEEEE!
The butthurt its :corn
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I've a suggestion to keep you all [and me] occupied.
I sang that at karaoke last night :D :D
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Tool should get Kevin Shields to join the band and they can aim for a 2022 release date.
That'd be really weird yet so badass.
At this point a new album or EP by My Bloody Valentine will be released before a new Tool album.
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And the thing is, I'm pretty sure the 'upcoming' Tool album is the reason why APC is not doing a new record. APC recently released that single and it was a huge radio hit. But clearly Maynard's commitment to Tool is preventing a new full APC album. Because Jones and co. are believe it or not actually working on music, so they plan on a new album.
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Wassup?
I've been listening to Aenima for 3 months now.. It's pretty good album but it hasn't made same kind of impact on me as 10000 days and Lateralus.
I guess I could say that Lateralus has claimed it's spot as my favourite Tool album. And I thought that nothing could beat 10000 days!
What a great fucking band :D
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Ænima is so much better without all the stupid segues.
Cut them out and it's a great 9 track album that flows much better.
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Ænima is so much better without all the stupid segues.
Cut them out and it's a great 9 track album that flows much better.
Yeah, its a lot better without them.
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I actually enjoy Intermission, Die Eier Von Satan, (-) Ions enough I have them as openers to their respective songs. Well, DEVS is alright on its own.
If I were to rank Aenima:
1. Pushit
2. Third Eye
3. H.
4. Aenema
5. Stinkfist
6. Eulogy
7. Jimmy
8. 46&2
9. Hooker
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Die Eier Von Satan is awesome.
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Yeah, y'all crazy. I think it's perfect the way it is.
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Yeah, y'all crazy. I think it's perfect the way it is.
This. It's amazing the way it is.
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Yeah, y'all crazy. I think it's perfect the way it is.
The Lateralus theory says otherwise. ..
Honestly I've tried it and it works.
I've done it like:
1. Parabol (a)
2. schism
3. Ticks, mantra ( cutting out leeches)
4. Lateralus
5. The patient
6. Disposition/Reflection(eon blue apocalypse)
8. Triad(cut out 2 minute silence)/
9. The Grudge
10. Leeches/ Faaip De Oiad
I love this a lot. It makes sense to me, plus its fun to do this
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(-) Ions is super cool on headphones.
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I guess I'll get Undertow in couple of weeks. I've heard Sober and I like it a lot!
I hope the rest of the album is as good.
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Yeah, y'all crazy. I think it's perfect the way it is.
The Lateralus theory says otherwise. ..
Honestly I've tried it and it works.
I've done it like:
1. Parabol (a)
2. schism
3. Ticks, mantra ( cutting out leeches)
4. Lateralus
5. The patient
6. Disposition/Reflection(eon blue apocalypse)
8. Triad(cut out 2 minute silence)/
9. The Grudge
10. Leeches/ Faaip De Oiad
I love this a lot. It makes sense to me, plus its fun to do this
I don't understand what this has to do with what I said.
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Me either, was drunk when I posted that.
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:lol
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Aenima is great the way it is. Those segues are the ones I enjoy. (-) Ions is great with headphones during a thunderstorm.
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I quite enjoy the little segues myself, for all their albums. I've never been a fan of rearranging an album. I'm of the mind that the album is just as much a work of art as a painting; it seems odd to me to want to change it or attempt to improve upon it (barring remixes and remasters of course, but more just rearranging or adding/subtracting). I'm not saying anything negative of those who do like it or enjoy rearranging albums, but I don't personally see any appeal in it.
I love the originals for just the way they are. Except Von Satan, unless I'm really angry and horny at the same time.
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Aw, I love that one. And yeah, I've never done the rearranging thing either.
Me either, was drunk when I posted that.
:lol :lol
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could it be....
https://instagram.com/p/uhvWM8q3IL/
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I'm touching myself as I'm writing this post.
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It would be hilarious if that picture was taken during the recording of 10,000 Days.
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It would be hilarious if that picture was taken during the recording of 10,000 Days.
Wouldn't be surprised lol
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could it be....
https://instagram.com/p/uhvWM8q3IL/
(https://i61.tinypic.com/i5nhag.jpg)
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:lol
I'm not getting too excited yet.
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:lol
I'm not getting too excited yet.
Most definitely not. It's still gonna be a while, no doubt about it. But it's good to have some proof that they still exist at all, musically.
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won't believe it till i see it
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won't believe it till i own the CD
FTFY & And if you're a tool obsessive - you still won't believe it. :neverusethis:
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It would be hilarious if that picture was taken during the recording of 10,000 Days.
You know, looking at the pic, that could definitely be a possibility.
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This is obviously the SECOND decoy album !!!
The real Lateralus follow up will come in 2021 !!!
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Is that Justin operating the desk ? Did he have short hair during 10,000 Days ?
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No he cut it a couple years ago if I'm not mistaken.
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Relax people, no news.
I'm listening to Aenima for the first time in years and years. This album is nowhere near as good as I remember. Stinkfist, Pushit, Aenema, and Third Eye are great, and I'll give 46 & 2 a pass. The rest is somewhere between average and crap.
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Relax people, no news.
I'm listening to Aenima for the first time in years and years. This album is nowhere near as good as I remember. Stinkfist, Pushit, Aenema, and Third Eye are great, and I'll give 46 & 2 a pass. The rest is somewhere between average and crap.
Eulogy would like a word with you.
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Relax people, no news.
I'm listening to Aenima for the first time in years and years. This album is nowhere near as good as I remember. Stinkfist, Pushit, Aenema, and Third Eye are great, and I'll give 46 & 2 a pass. The rest is somewhere between average and crap.
Eulogy would like a word with you.
As well as H.
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Actually, Eulogy was the biggest surprise to me. It starts really strong, but gets lost and falls to bits after "don't you fucking lie", like they didn't know how to finish it well.
H is pretty ho-hum.
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I listened to it a few weeks ago and it was still as brilliant as when my ears first heard it.
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Euology is pretty boring. Easily my least favorite of the actual songs on Aenima. It's still my favorite Tool album though. Almost every song is great and it has Tool's best material by far I think. Only flaw are all the interlude things. They don't really add anything to the album for me.
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I listened to it a few weeks ago and it was still as brilliant as when my ears first heard it.
this
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I think Aenima may have surpassed Lateralus as my favorite Tool album. I don't listen to the band much these days, but when I feel like I'm in the mood for them, I usually listen to Aenima. It's probably the darker atmosphere that makes me enjoy it a bit more.
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Euology is pretty boring. Easily my least favorite of the actual songs on Aenima. It's still my favorite Tool album though. Almost every song is great and it has Tool's best material by far I think. Only flaw are all the interlude things. They don't really add anything to the album for me.
I made a playlist with just the 9 "songs" and the album flows way better way better without all that bullshit.
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Lateralus > Aenima > 10 000 Days > Undertow
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Lateralus > Aenima > 10 000 Days > Undertow>A great deal of other music in the universe.
FTFM
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Lateralus > Aenima > 10 000 Days > Undertow
This exactly.
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Euology is pretty boring. Easily my least favorite of the actual songs on Aenima. It's still my favorite Tool album though. Almost every song is great and it has Tool's best material by far I think. Only flaw are all the interlude things. They don't really add anything to the album for me.
I made a playlist with just the 9 "songs" and the album flows way better way better without all that bullshit.
same (except i threw in the NQ cover because it's amazing and was recorded then – funny how it adds up to the exact length of all the segues put together...). then again, the final tracklist certainly leaves an impression, and some charm is lost.
also, if you want "H." without "Useful Idiot" fading in, it's on the radio ready promo sampler (with the censored "Eulogy" and other songs).
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Euology is pretty boring. Easily my least favorite of the actual songs on Aenima.
It's my favourite.
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Euology is pretty boring. Easily my least favorite of the actual songs on Aenima.
It's my favourite.
One of their best songs in my opinion.
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Yep.
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Absolutely LOVE eulogy and always have.
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https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/tool-is-in-the-studio-working-on-tunes/
TOOL might *actually* be recording.
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Aw shit. We'll see. I refuse to get excited at this point.
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Aw shit. We'll see. I refuse to get excited at this point.
Same, I feel like every few months or so you hear that they are working on something or other./
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I probably wouldn't believe a new Tool album was possible even if I held it in my own hands. Not even if I listened to it. I would still go: "This must be a really good copy-cat band" rather than "Oh crap, this actually is a new Tool album".
I predicted a long time ago that a new Tool album would be like a new My Bloody Valentine album. One of those myths that was talked about for 15-20 years, with comments like "yes its coming" and no action. The MBV album actually dropped after 22 years, so who knows.. maybe Tool will surpass that.
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This album has basically become The Chinese Democracy Pt 2. I totally wouldn't be surprised if we don't hear anything for years still.
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I also think the fact that they blame the slow process on the law suits is ridiculous. There are a lot of bands who have fought many problems and still put out albums. If you want to put out an album, you put out an album. It feels like the members of Tool are just way too comfortable with their legacy and current status. There are some artists like Steven Wilson, who puts out music frequently, not just through his main projects (PT, solo) but also a number of side projects (Blackfield, No-Man, Bass Communion, IEM, Storm Corrosion), and even though quality of music is always subjective, you can just tell that he has a lot of great ideas, and he puts them into motion. He never struggles with material, and an amazing album like Fear of a Blank Planet resulted in an equally amazing EP like Nil Recurring, with leftover material from that album.
Tool to me are kinda like the polar opposite. I've always felt like Tool are just barely scraping by to get enough good material together, and I think it really showed on 10 000 Days. That album was a mixed bag of the amazing quality we expect from Tool, with some material that just wasn't up to the standard we want. I think they did a good job of masking it earlier. Albums like Aenima and Lateralus are pretty much perfect, and as long as we get near flawless albums after 5 year breaks, it's easy to ignore that. On 10k Days it kinda showed that they were struggling more IMO, and apart from the long time spans between albums, the band hasn't really put out EPs or other leftover material. To me it basically feels like Tool have to work so much harder than most bands to come up with good material. What they squeeze out in 6 years is equal to what SW squeezes out in 6 months. But as long as their next album is really good, it won't matter.
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https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/tool-is-in-the-studio-working-on-tunes/
TOOL might *actually* be recording.
TOOLHEAD World Tour 2016!
Sry that was bad....
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I'm going to a gig this friday of the tribute band 'The Perfect Tool'. Anyone familiar with them?
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No band dealt with more legal stuff in recent years than Queensryche, and both versions of Queensryche had managed to release albums during the lawsuits. The decade-long gap between Tool albums is just odd to me. Five years should be more than enough!
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Apparently the lawsuits had dated back to 2007 and they'd only been solved This January.
And they hindered the band so much they only got 3 songs written in 8 years ?
Yeah whatever.
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I think it could have more to do with a quote I read from Danny or Justin about writing with Adam.
He said Adam likes to explore every single possible arrangement an idea could possibly have.
They said this method of working was painfully slow and frustrating and nobody likes writing with Adam.
:laugh: I can't prove this though and *of course* he could have been half joking. but I did read it a few years ago.
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https://instagram.com/p/zlgNazKKCr/
https://www.toolband.com/news/
TOOL NEWSLETTER FEBRUARY 2015 E.V.
This month we learned that the members of Tool crossed paths with the members of Motorhead in a recording studio in L.A., and that Danny (along with Brent Hinds) is part of a new band called "Legend of the Seagullmen." With splash headlines like "Members Of Tool And Mastodon Join Forces To Create "Supergroup"... and "Motorhead's Mikkey Dee Confirms Tool Are In The Studio" appearing on many of the on-line metal magazine sites, it's perhaps understandable as to why many anxious fans jumped to certain conclusions. In the event that I failed to clear things up in a recent news post, for those who might still be excited or confused (or angry), let me try again to set things straight (without the multiple choices)...
As for the nautical-themed "Seagullmen", this Danny SIDE project has been in the works for quite some time (well over a year), and takes approximately ZERO time and energy from his focus on the next Tool record. With regards to the chance meeting between members of Tool and their friends in Motorhead in the same recording facility - this had absolutely nothing to do with the preparation, recording, mixing or mastering! of a new Tool album. Instead, it concerned another Tool project that has been in the works for a while. In fact, when I first heard about this project (way back when), I mentioned it in a news post as being a "curve ball" - meaning that it would be something unexpected by most Tool fans (as it was to me). Since then, some fans have guessed what this is, while others remain clueless, with many others believing that there really never was any such idiom to begin with. Well, with the chance meeting of Tool and Motorhead in the studio, along with Adam's reply to Mikkey Dee's question as to what Tool was doing there, we now have confirmation of this (figuratively speaking) "curve ball." (In keeping with the baseball vernacular, as I suggested before, "Change of Pace" might also work).
Which takes us to the big question: What's going on with the new Tool record? As I have said repeatedly, the band is currently in the writing/arranging process. Based on things that I've heard, I would hazard a guess that SEVERAL songs are now developed enough to have vocals added. At least one of these songs is quite lengthy, and took a very long time to finish. In theory, the others should go faster, but who knows what obstacles might await? Obviously there is still a lot of work to be done. Accordingly, you will be updated on any major progress and NOT hear about the band tracking the next record by some chance meeting in a recording studio.
Now that these other things have (hopefully) been put to rest, let's see about any current news. The first item would be that the members of the band will be taking a break from their writing/arranging sessions next week WHILE Aaron Harris ("ISIS", PALMS") sets up an area in the Loft for Maynard to be able to work on vocal melodies as the others play (loudly) their completed tunes. In that there is a lot of equipment to be moved and reorganized, it will take at least a few days to set up Maynard's 'station' in the adjoining room. Admittedly, this is exciting news, but let's not jump to any hasty conclusions...
Finally, before leaving the "City of Angeles" for a few days, Danny will be getting together (again) with Neil Peart, Stewart Copeland and others TONIGHT - so be on the lookout for another youtube clip of these friends jamming and having a downright good time! Hopefully, Danny saved some energy after last night's Kings/Redwings hockey game, not to mention the recent Lakers/Celtics match up at Staples...
Oh, I almost forgot. For those non-Thelemites out there who asked why the recent limited edition TOOL BLANKET (SOLD OUT) was priced at $156.00, the answer is that 156 = BABALON, the Sacred Whore and companion of the Great Beast 666 (To Mega Therion). So, there you go...
HAPPY TRAILS
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Okay, so the next album ten years after the last seems realistic at this point.
Maybe.
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I don't in any way expect it to happen, but wouldn't it be amazing if, after ten years of fluffing, they pulled off the album of their careers?
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Maybe it's a concept album, and the amount of time they've taken is part of the concept.
TOOLhood.
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Maybe it's a concept album, and the amount of time they've taken is part of the concept.
TOOLhood.
TOLOL
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I'm curious to see if Tool waits so long to release a new album that it affects sales and interest in the band. You know, like with GNR's Chinese Democracy. I think Tool would sell well regardless of the amount of time that passes though.
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I'm curious to see if Tool waits so long to release a new album that it affects sales and interest in the band. You know, like with GNR's Chinese Democracy. I think Tool would sell well regardless of the amount of time that passes though.
The dismal sales of Chinese Democracy had nothing to do with how long it took to release and EVERYTHING to do with the fact that it was an Axl Rose solo album in disguise. No one cared anymore because even if the legal entity "Guns n Roses" technically still existed, the band that everyone loved had broken up.
With Tool, that is not the case.
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Good point!
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Maybe it's a concept album, and the amount of time they've taken is part of the concept.
TOOLhood.
:lolpalm:
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I'm curious to see if Tool waits so long to release a new album that it affects sales and interest in the band. You know, like with GNR's Chinese Democracy. I think Tool would sell well regardless of the amount of time that passes though.
The dismal sales of Chinese Democracy had nothing to do with how long it took to release and EVERYTHING to do with the fact that it was an Axl Rose solo album in disguise. No one cared anymore because even if the legal entity "Guns n Roses" technically still existed, the band that everyone loved had broken up.
With Tool, that is not the case.
Well Axl is a Tool and that didn't help sales.
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https://www.nme.com/news/tool/83548
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I'm curious to see if Tool waits so long to release a new album that it affects sales and interest in the band. You know, like with GNR's Chinese Democracy. I think Tool would sell well regardless of the amount of time that passes though.
The dismal sales of Chinese Democracy had nothing to do with how long it took to release and EVERYTHING to do with the fact that it was an Axl Rose solo album in disguise. No one cared anymore because even if the legal entity "Guns n Roses" technically still existed, the band that everyone loved had broken up.
With Tool, that is not the case.
I cared. so did Curtis Holden aka SoCalledFriend.
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I'm curious to see if Tool waits so long to release a new album that it affects sales and interest in the band. You know, like with GNR's Chinese Democracy. I think Tool would sell well regardless of the amount of time that passes though.
The dismal sales of Chinese Democracy had nothing to do with how long it took to release and EVERYTHING to do with the fact that it was an Axl Rose solo album in disguise. No one cared anymore because even if the legal entity "Guns n Roses" technically still existed, the band that everyone loved had broken up.
With Tool, that is not the case.
I cared. so did Curtis Holden aka SoCalledFriend.
I didn't think I would need to clarify this but... I obviously didn't mean "no one" in the absolute sense. I meant "no one" in general. As in, near enough to no one to be effectively no one. Sortof like .9 into infinity may not be technically 1, but it's effectively 1.
But then again...why do I feel like I just opened a completely off topic mathematical "can of worms". :rollin
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https://www.nme.com/news/tool/83548
(https://www.manteresting.com/sites/default/files/field/image/nail/2014/Aug/06/alright.jpg)
Alright alright alriiight
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I'm curious to see if Tool waits so long to release a new album that it affects sales and interest in the band. You know, like with GNR's Chinese Democracy. I think Tool would sell well regardless of the amount of time that passes though.
The dismal sales of Chinese Democracy had nothing to do with how long it took to release and EVERYTHING to do with the fact that it was an Axl Rose solo album in disguise. No one cared anymore because even if the legal entity "Guns n Roses" technically still existed, the band that everyone loved had broken up.
With Tool, that is not the case.
I cared. so did Curtis Holden aka SoCalledFriend.
I didn't think I would need to clarify this but... I obviously didn't mean "no one" in the absolute sense. I meant "no one" in general. As in, near enough to no one to be effectively no one. Sortof like .9 into infinity may not be technically 1, but it's effectively 1.
But then again...why do I feel like I just opened a completely off topic mathematical "can of worms". :rollin
:)
I know, man. not sure why I felt the need to chime in.
guess I just get excited when I see Chinese Democ mentioned. probs subconsciously feel the need to make sure its known I groove on that isht.
not that anyone here gives a rat's ass what I think.
as for Tool, I don't mean to be negative, but the legal issues feel like a poor excuse. (scooter accidents is another story).
I always harken back to J.C. figuring they'd only take 3 years to put out another one 'this time around' in an interview circa the release of 10000 Days. so much for that pipe dream.
to clarify, my pipe dream, not J.C.'s. ...well, possibly his too.
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Well, I think unless you know all the details it's unfair to say it's a poor excuse. I've fortunately never been involved in any litigation, but I've heard that it can be pretty exhausting and horrible. Also, considering the nature of the legal issues I don't blame them for wanting it to be sorted before releasing new material.
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Link: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/tool-settles-legal-issues-resumes-work-on-new-music/
TOOL Settles Legal Issues, Resumes Work On New Music
TOOL has settled the "multi-level lawsuit" that started in 2007 when a friend of the band claimed that he had created artwork for the group and wanted credit for it. Then an insurance company that TOOL had hired for the sole purpose of defending the band against lawsuits turned around and sued the band over technicalities regarding the case. The band countersued the insurer, with the case finally being resolved in their favor after seven years.
"It got really ugly and shameful," TOOL guitarist Adam Jones told Yahoo! Music. "This is a real simplification of the matter — but imagine paying auto insurance, getting into a wreck, and expecting the insurance company to cover you. And they come back to you and say, 'Well, you drive an SUV and we don't consider that an auto so we're not going to cover you.' And then they turn around and sue you because you want them to cover you. It's crazy."
Jones also revealed that one of his bandmates was forced to deal with a medical issue, which further impeded TOOL's progress in crafting material for a new studio album,
"I'd rather let the person who dealt with the illness talk about it out of respect," Jones told Yahoo! Music
image: https://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png
. "But one thing was a really scary do-or-die, serious illness and that was really scary. When you're trying to write music and you have that eating away at you — this person you're married to and you love and hate at the same time has something they're dealing with that's out of their control — it's distracting."
According to Adam, the instrumental members of TOOL — Jones, bassist Justin Chancellor and drummer Danny Carey — have finished writing one as-yet-untitled song for the band's upcoming album, with more than 10 other tracks in various stages of completion.
"Our greatest strength is jamming and coming up with stuff," Jones said. “We're doing that really well now and I'm excited about everything we're working on. Some of it's really heavy, some of it's complex and some is more atmospheric, but it's definitely TOOL. I think having this lawsuit out of the way should really speed of the progress of getting the album done."
Although Jones hopes the next TOOL album will be finished and ready for release before the end of the year, there is no deadline by which the band has to deliver the follow-up to 2006's "10,000 Days".
"We're older guys now," he told Yahoo! Music. "Everyone kind of has their own life, and the fire that burned in us when we were in our 20s isn't there anymore. There's still a fire, it's just a different kind of fire. So of course, we're writing and working hard, but we've gotten to a point where we're relaxed and we're meeting occasionally to get the writing done instead of every day. But I feel like every day we work on the songs is a productive day and we're getting closer and closer to finishing them."
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Just saw this on Facebook:
(https://i.imgur.com/LaDgLb2.jpg)
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Brilliant. :lol
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:rollin
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That's my favorite Tool-related meme I've seen, and there are a lot of good ones :lol
Gah Lateralus is soo good. I only very rarely listen to it these days, but I'd be hard pressed to find 5 albums that I think are better.
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:lol, that's awesome!
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I saw that pic ( it's not a meme ) on the Metallica forum ages ago :p
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Just saw this on Facebook:
(https://i.imgur.com/LaDgLb2.jpg)
Glorious.
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Well, I think unless you know all the details it's unfair to say it's a poor excuse. I've fortunately never been involved in any litigation, but I've heard that it can be pretty exhausting and horrible. Also, considering the nature of the legal issues I don't blame them for wanting it to be sorted before releasing new material.
Okay, so even if they wanted the issues resolved before releasing new material, sure whatever, that's fine and dandy...but they coulda had 3+ albums written/recorded in the meantime.
That being said, I s'pose health issues and a lessened desire are a legit excuse for not writing.
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Honestly, whatever the fuck they use as an excuse is legit because the band is not obligated to write new material. I'm not sure why some people seem to think they're owed an album.
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Exactly my sentiments as well. They've got other interests and pulls in life.
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Yup. Sometimes you just don't have the drive to create, and I'd rather wait 10 years for a great album that they're proud of than get 1-2 half-assed albums.
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I can see how it can be taken that way, but don't lump me in with the fans that feel like they're owed another album. For as much as I've been into the band (especially back in the day), I'm perfectly fine with never getting another album out of them...Ive got more than enough bands I'm into to satiate my hunger for new tuneage.
I DO, however, feel like I'm owed a new Volto! record...and a new Fusion Syndicate album with Chancellor playing on one song.
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Honestly, whatever the fuck they use as an excuse is legit because the band is not obligated to write new material. I'm not sure why some people seem to think they're owed an album.
I agree with this wholeheartedly.
But having said that, if their excuse for not releasing a new album in a century was their legal proceedings, not sure why they haven't been a little more productive in at least writing during that time, so a new album could drop relatively soon after the end of those proceedings.
None of my business, I just don't get it. But I don't have to get it.
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I know for me - if i'm having a bad time in my personal life - I sure don't want to sit down with a guitar and create.
In fact i'd rather do anything else.
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Honestly, whatever the fuck they use as an excuse is legit because the band is not obligated to write new material. I'm not sure why some people seem to think they're owed an album.
Reminds me of Neil Gaiman telling people complaining about George RR Martin's work habits that "George Martin is not your bitch." :lol
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Honestly, whatever the fuck they use as an excuse is legit because the band is not obligated to write new material. I'm not sure why some people seem to think they're owed an album.
Reminds me of Neil Gaiman telling people complaining about George RR Martin's work habits that "George Martin is not your bitch." :lol
Yeah, but sometimes I think that Martin is slow just to be slow. He gets slower all the time.
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On the topic of GoT:
About six or seven years ago, I read accounts online of this great new fantasy that was redefining the genre, basically the biggest step away from established stereotypes and tropes since it had been settled in LOTR.
Though overjoyed, I looked it up and saw it was four books out of seven complete. I’m a pretty slow reader, so I decided then to wait until the series was finished, or at least the last book had been announced, before I started reading. (Otherwise, what would probably have happened was I’d finish the first four, then when the final three were written, I’d have forgotten so much that I’d have to go back and re-read before I could continue, but because I’m so slow, I wouldn’t have the patience to retread thousands of pages, and I’d just never finish it).
I’ve now been desperately avoiding GoT spoilers for seven long years - and because of the TV show, there are spoilers EVERYWHERE. And my wait might not even be half over yet.
Before you ask why I don’t just watch the TV show: I’m a snob and like my literature and refuse to let my reading experience be tainted by watching a shitty watered down adaptation.
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I know for me - if i'm having a bad time in my personal life - I sure don't want to sit down with a guitar and create.
In fact i'd rather do anything else.
I'm like the total opposite. When everything is awful, that's like really the only time I can write. I guess its an art from adversity thing for me. At the very least, then's when my best stuff comes out, when I just need to vent through an instrument.
But I definitely understand what you mean though.
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Before you ask why I don’t just watch the TV show: I’m a snob and like my literature and refuse to let my reading experience be tainted by watching a shitty watered down adaptation.
BTW, it's not shitty or watered down.
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Honestly, whatever the fuck they use as an excuse is legit because the band is not obligated to write new material. I'm not sure why some people seem to think they're owed an album.
Reminds me of Neil Gaiman telling people complaining about George RR Martin's work habits that "George Martin is not your bitch." :lol
:lol, awesome.
Btw, it took me a full thirty seconds or so to figure out wtf Fluffy was talking about. I'm kind of... out of the loop with popular shit these days.
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I think it gets frustrating about a new album because they don't seem to say "don't hold your breath." Almost feels like a carrot being dangled.
At least with SOAD, they tell us straight up they aren't making an album any time soon (although I heard today they've written some new songs together).
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Before you ask why I don’t just watch the TV show: I’m a snob and like my literature and refuse to let my reading experience be tainted by watching a shitty watered down adaptation.
BTW, it's not shitty or watered down.
I mean comparatively. If I asked which is better, book or TV show, I can almost guarantee what the answer will be, because it’s what the answer is 99% of the time. Other than in rare cases, I’m not interested in reading the book AND seeing the movie. If I enjoyed or am apparently going to enjoy a book, I generally don’t even want to know about its TV/film remake, because I don’t want what someone else saw in the story to define how I experience it.
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I don't think you can still say that there is *NO* news. It seems like something is happening.
From their official Facebook Page:
TOOL VIP EVENT
Thank you for your attention concerning an important announcement from TOOL. For those of you who are planning to go to the MONSTER MASH MUSIC FESTIVAL in Tempe on Halloween, there will be a TOOL VIP EVENT* that includes a Q&A session with some MEMBERS OF THE BAND that will be held in PHOENIX, ARIZONA on FRIDAY, OCTOBER 30th. The exact time and location for this special event is still to be determined, and those who are interested should check back with the TOOL WEBSITE or TOOL FACEBOOK PAGE on WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 30th for the OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT. Tickets for the VIP EVENT go on sale on FRIDAY, OCTOBER 9th - AVAILABLE at the TOOLBAND.COM WEBSTORE. Again, please check back with the band's website and Facebook page on WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 30th for the official announcement.
*Please note that this special event involving TOOL is not a performance.
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Doesn't look like anything important. Just cashing a check to answer some questions.
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Not that I was ever a diehard fan to begin with, though I do love some of their songs, but I'm treating Tool like I would ordering an item from overseas. Order it, forget about it, and it'll get here when it gets here. (...and then call UPS bitching them out and asking where the fuck my item is :lol )
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I'm surprised Tool decided to do this Q&A thing. Maybe it could be a special listening session?
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I wonder if Maynard will be hiding in the back with a microphone.
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A Q&A seems funny when every single question will be "when the fuck is an album coming out?" :lol
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I hope they sell 1 ticket and that guy only asks that question then leaves.
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I don't know why but with the way you phrased that...I pictured the dude asking it and then leaving before even getting an answer. :lol
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They probably start by saying that they won't answer questions about a new album and then there is an hour of awkward silence.
Or maybe they announce, that next year is the 10th anniversary of not doing anything and they want to celebrate it by not releasing an album?
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A Q&A seems funny when every single question will be "when the fuck is an album coming out?" :lol
:tup
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Spoiler : Either the album is out Next May - making it ten years since 10,000 days GEDDIT ITS A TOOL "JOKE"
Or there's a new tour or they're breaking up.
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Yea....I don't think the next Tool album will be coming out anytime soon. someday, but not soon.
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I guess they are literally releasing it on September 17, 2033.
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Tom Morello on instagram:
Had the honor of being the first outsider to hear new #TOOL music today!! Still just instrumentals but sounded epic, majestic, symphonic, brutal, beautiful, tribal, mysterious, deep, sexy and VERY Tool. Really great. So excited to hear the record when it's finished.
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Read an article that Danny said the album WILL be out sometime in 2018.
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:lol
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https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/new_tool_album_is_definitely_coming_out_in_2018_according_to_danny_carey.html
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Who knows, it may happen. I didn't think APC was going to ever release anything.
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Tool and Mastodon related, did you heard about this band/project? It seems interesting:
https://legendoftheseagullmen.bandcamp.com/
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That sounds like one hell of a group, I'll check it out later today
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(https://i.imgur.com/ak55JOj.gif)
No, but seriously, I'm super excited about the possibility of there finally being a new Tool album (& APC). Hopefully this goes better than all the other release dates so far. The new Tool album is starting to head the way of Book of Revelation doomsday theories and the Artemis Fowl movie (been waiting 17 years for that one! SEVENTEEN YEARS) with all these supposed release dates. I also hope that the band finally releases their music digitally with this new album, since times are a-changin' and streaming is pretty much the de-facto way of listening to music now.
Tool and Mastodon related, did you heard about this band/project? It seems interesting:
https://legendoftheseagullmen.bandcamp.com/
Shipswreck sounds like it would be a blast to play on Rock Band. Not a fan of the effects on the vocals, but everything else is really great (Especially that first solo. Mmmm yes). I'll definitely check this out when it drops in February.
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I think this album will be really diverse:
https://youtu.be/eUBPflO8EkE
Almost Quentin Tarantino
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That sounds pretty great actually. I think I like it a little bit more than Shipswreck. Sounds like a mix of Nightwish - The Islander, Pirates of the Caribbean, Gothic Country, and Spaghetti Western.
Also, reading the description for that video, I learned that the director of Horton Hears a Who is the producer for the album. That would NOT have been my first guess. :lol
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That is....Some damn fine music there. The concept is great. Its like Primus Pirate music set in the world of Dr. Seuss.
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I hope I'm not getting anyone's hopes up by revitalizing this thread (although most fans probably have given up on a new album by this band just as Peter Gabriel fans have lol).
I have known Tool since around one year after the time I got into DT, which was 2007. I always found them fascinating, the whole mysterious character they had, the fantastic cover artwork and the fact that they made Prog Metal MTV-accessible. Plus, Vicarious always had a special place in my heart. But it took 10 years to rererererediscover them and now I feel like I FINALLY begin to really appreciate them.
I picked up the vinyl re-releases of Opiate and Undertow and liked the rough, garage-like character they have. But I like 10.000 Days better, with its more "progressive" and complex attitude. I know Aenima from the 4-5 times I listened to it. Lateralus seems to be somewhat their "best" album (?) and I have "saved" it for last (haven't really heard it yet apart from one or two songs). I bought the new vinyl version of Lateralus (amazing artwork, as per usual) and even found a Aenima vinyl in almost perfect condition (no idea how I managed to do this, considering the discogs prices https://www.discogs.com/de/sell/list?ev=mb&master_id=1402&format=Vinyl). I'm very much looking forward to listening to these two album tomorrow when I get home. I even found their first demo and the Salival EP on vinyl in a tiny record shop in Dresden.
What does everyone think about the albums Aenima and Lateralus? Did it take you guys so much time to get into Tool too?
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I didn't take me long at all. There was a six month period after AEnima came out that I could listen to nothing else. I still think Eulogy is as near to perfect as a composition can get. I still get a chill whenever I hear, "He had a lot to say, he had a lot of nothing to say, we'll miss him." Damn, just so brilliant. I love that this album spans the gap between their more conventional heavy rock sound and the full on acid rock of Lateralus and 10,000 days. I would also love to know what the catalyst was for the over use of profanity on this album. It doesn't seem to be a priority in the lyrics of other albums, but AEnima is stuffed to the gills.
I really like Lateralus. It's a weird mix of ambition and self-deprecation--I guess that could probably be said about anything Keenan is involved with--but this album is perhaps a bit too unsure of itself. Not near as accessible as their previous offerings, for sure. Still, a lot to love here, the run of songs from Schism through Lateralus is absolutely hypnotizing and essential prog in my view.
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Hilarious to read the first post. The hope of a new Tool album some 3 years after 10000 days. How naive we all were lol. And here we are some 4000 days later still waiting
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Lateralus is a work of art. One of the greatest albums of all time.
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Hilarious to read the first post. The hope of a new Tool album some 3 years after 10000 days. How naive we all were lol. And here we are some 4000 days later still waiting
But they already secretly told us the release date for the new album. 10,000 Days was a not-so cryptic hint: The album will be released on September 12th, 2033. 10,000 Days after 10,000 Days. Just 15 years left!
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The first time I heard Tool, I believe it was the song Sober that came on the radio. I remember thinking that it sounded pretty cool, so I bought the album on a whim along with their album Aenima which had just come out. They quickly became one of my favorite bands. Lateralus is my number 3 favorite album of all time, just behind Marbles by Marillion and Verisakeet by Moonsorrow.
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Aenima was my first album, though I had heard some earlier stuff at that point too. I spent a LOT of time watching MTV as a kid so I remember seeing the video for Stinkfist and being like :o and then I think I got the album shortly after that, when I was 11 or 12. My favorite radio station at the time used to play them a lot, but because it was a Catholic college (Seton Hall's pirate radio! 89.5 WSOU!) they had to censor a lot of band and song names. They played "H with a P" a lot :lol
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I've had a nightmare from music only once in my life, and it was the night that I saw the Sober video for the first time. The only other song that ever "scared" me in any way was listening to "Orgasmatron" one night in CT by myself with the lights off and after a couple glasses of wine.
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I've had a nightmare from music only once in my life, and it was the night that I saw the Sober video for the first time. The only other song that ever "scared" me in any way was listening to "Orgasmatron" one night in CT by myself with the lights off and after a couple glasses of wine.
:lol
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I've been on the Tool train since Sober first broke. The video was awesome.
In terms of Lateralus, count me in as another that considers it their best. Saw them on that tour and I have the album on vinyl as well.
I saw them again when they came through Chicago in 2017 and it was an amazing show. Easily, one of the best shows I've ever seen. Blew away the show from the Lateralus tour.
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I've had a nightmare from music only once in my life, and it was the night that I saw the Sober video for the first time. The only other song that ever "scared" me in any way was listening to "Orgasmatron" one night in CT by myself with the lights off and after a couple glasses of wine.
:lol
My story is even more lame in the context of your Zeppelin share. :).
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I've been on the Tool train since Sober first broke. The video was awesome.
In terms of Lateralus, count me in as another that considers it their best. Saw them on that tour and I have the album on vinyl as well.
I saw them again when they came through Chicago in 2017 and it was an amazing show. Easily, one of the best shows I've ever seen. Blew away the show from the Lateralus tour.
I was at that show too, it was outstanding. Only other time I saw them was the 10,000 Days tour at the same arena. Can't decide which show I liked more.
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Per a live stream on Adam Jones' Instagram: "Music is done. Lyrics coming in hard" (https://i.redd.it/wtt2t5dvvya01.jpg).
Also, Danny Carey said that they're hoping to get the new album out before May 2018 (https://www.overdrive.ie/interview-long-people-want-hear-music-well-keep-making-danny-carey-toollegend-seagullmen/), right before their headlining spot at Coachella.
So...it looks like this might finally be happening.
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Per a live stream on Adam Jones' Instagram: "Music is done. Lyrics coming in hard" (https://i.redd.it/wtt2t5dvvya01.jpg).
Also, Danny Carey said that they're hoping to get the new album out before May 2018 (https://www.overdrive.ie/interview-long-people-want-hear-music-well-keep-making-danny-carey-toollegend-seagullmen/), right before their headlining spot at Coachella.
So...it looks like this might finally be happening.
I'll believe it when i see it...
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I read from blabbermouth yesterday that they haven’t started recording yet. If that’s the case, we will not have it by May. Fall is more likely.
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I predict that once they go in to record, they realize what they have written is not up to their "standards" and scrap the whole thing and start over. I expect the album in 2050, just in time for me to enjoy it in my retirement...
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Adam Jones is probably still playing around with the same 4 bar riff for the past 5 years.
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This was just posted to their Facebook page an hour ago. Take it or leave it....
TOOL RECORDING NEWS!
Who’s ready for some major breaking news? Brace yourself; get ready… okay, here we go. We are very excited to announce what is sure to be welcome news for both fans of TOOL and prog-metal enthusiasts in general. After all the years of writing and arranging (and re-arranging) at the band’s loft, I can at this time officially report that the guys have moved into a major studio where the recording process for the next album is about to begin in earnest. For the past few days the band members have been getting sonically adjusted to their new surroundings - dialing in the equipment settings and restaurant catering choices - in preparation for Danny to begin his tracking any time now – perhaps by the time that you read this!
I am also excited to announce that ‘evil’ JOE BARRESI will once again have his capable fingers at the engineering controls for what will certainly be another masterful TOOL offering by the talented team. Pinch yourself if you want, but I have been told that all systems are GO at this point for the upcoming sessions.
I will be posting periodic bits and pieces on the progress of the tracking once the guys get deeper into the recording process, and hope that all of you will keep checking back to the official website for these updates. In the meantime, be sure to also visit the individual band members’ sites and socials (Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc.) for more inside glimpses as TOOL prepares for the next stage in their musical odyssey.
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so, 3 years of recording, 2 years of mastering, and a 5 year promotion cycle before they release the first single, i'm excited
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so, 3 years of recording, 2 years of mastering, and a 5 year promotion cycle before they release the first single, i'm excited
Someone's optimistic.
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Honestly....
(https://s13.postimg.org/lfys4klqt/Clipboard01.jpg)
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I genuinely believe we’ll have it by the fall if this news is legit. Seriously this time!
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I put on 10.000 Days after this news, and now I am excited! Let's see who will finish first: Me with graduation from college or Tool with their new album (I started last semester)
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Once again, I'll believe it when I see it!
But really, they have to come out with guns blazing with this new album, in order for the Tool fans to forgive them for sitting on their asses for years and doing nothing.
This could be their best album, and I don't think it will be enough for some fans.
Me? If this is indeed the real thing now, I'll be interested to hear it.
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Like everyone else has stated, I'll believe it when I have it in my hand and have listened to it at least twice
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I put on 10.000 Days after this news, and now I am excited! Let's see who will finish first: Me with graduation from college or Tool with their new album (I started last semester)
I put that challenge to them as well. 10,000 days came out my senior year of high school. I just graduated college last May, so I was able to beat em. One bachelors degree, one doctorate degree and a few years of goofing around with multiple different majors, but I beat em man :lol
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Check out Adam's Instagram. He posted a Day 1 photo in the studio and his most recent pic is him and Joe Barresi in the studio.
Seems pretty legit to me.
Day 1 - https://www.instagram.com/p/Bf-DyGrnt74/?hl=en&taken-by=adamjones_tv
Adam and Joe - https://www.instagram.com/p/BgDIF0UnFRQ/?taken-by=adamjones_tv
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It's kinda sad it's gotten to this point but with how much bullshit that has been fed to us and how much back and forth they've done, they could post a video of them playing a new song in the studio and say "Second to last song almost done!" and I'd still not care until it's on my devices waiting to be played. :lol Seriously, even if they are actually recording and actually doing everything to make the album, it wouldn't surprise me one single bit now if they posted something else after all this saying "Issues with mastering, please look forward to hearing the album sometime in 2019 most likely".
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And MP thought DT fans were so demanding....haha.
I honestly don't even bother with Tool and their time to make albums. Based off their output since 10,000 Days. How long it took for that album.
But I'm they have gone and said they've had some Legal troubles (who knows what that could be) that delayed them from actually making music. Their priority was in dealing with that situation first. Sadly those also do take time.
So its not like they were sitting on their asses. Plus, Maynard did puscifer, Adam likely was doing art stuff for movies.
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Oh, I'm a very casual fan; even in their heyday I wasn't a huge one, and now it's dwindled to "I'll listen to my favorite song of theirs twice a year". And I'm not "demanding" anything; I just find it funny, that's all. There's a line where the media marketing and the updates go from "Thanks for the update" to "Shut the fuck up until there's some actual evidence of something...anything". The circumstances surrounding the band and the album are now the news, not the music itself, which for me has taken a hard back seat in the nosebleeds. I'll definitely be interested when the music does eventually release but till then it's just fun and games.
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I think the main issue I had with Tool was if they didn't want to do an album they should've not brought making an album until they are. If they don't want to make an album and hang out and do other stuff fine, just don't mention that you're going to be recording a couple of times a year and never do.
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Right, it's more of a principal issue than me actually giving a shit whether they release music or not.
Granted, it's a fantastic way to stay relevant. But sadly, only because there's still so many fans that are baited and still love to band. On the other side of that same coin, I'm sure they've lost a decent amount of quasi-fans that would have still bought the album but have long since moved on thanks to the reign of inaccurate or outright fake updates (whether it's their own fault or not).
I'm in the camp that couldn't care less if they ever release music but will check it out if it ever does happen. What's good about my own thoughts on the band is that I have quite literally no expectations at all, so unless it's just laughably bad even as a standalone album, outside of comparisons, then I'm sure I'll enjoy it. But again, till the actual thing is out, this is just a class in "how to stay relevant when you've done nothing at all for years". Works like a charm, too.
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I put on 10.000 Days after this news, and now I am excited! Let's see who will finish first: Me with graduation from college or Tool with their new album (I started last semester)
I put that challenge to them as well. 10,000 days came out my senior year of high school. I just graduated college last May, so I was able to beat em. One bachelors degree, one doctorate degree and a few years of goofing around with multiple different majors, but I beat em man :lol
Since 10.000 Days came out I changed school once, lived a year in Cordoba, Argentina, finished high school, started studying music, finished studying music, lived half a year in Utrecht, Netherlands and then moved to Austria to start new studies in a new field and changed my whole lifestyle :rollin
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Here's some perspective. I went from being in my 20s when 10,000 Days was released...to now being into my 40s. :lol
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Here's some perspective. I went from being in my 20s when 10,000 Days was released...to now being into my 40s. :lol
Wow. Same here. That's crazy.
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Shit. 10,000 Days was released in 2006. I've graduated Grad School (~25 yrs old), moved twice, got married, I'll be 36 in a couple of weeks...clock keeps ticking.
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Here's some perspective. I went from being in my 20s when 10,000 Days was released...to now being into my 40s. :lol
Wow. Same here. That's crazy.
Nuts, right? ha ha ha. I hope TOOL has evolved a bit, musically, honestly. I really enjoyed their entire catalog, but I honestly sort of identify them with that time period. Twenty years ago. A lot of bands have really taken TOOL's sound and expanded on it while they've not made a record. So it'll be interesting to see if they've continued to evolve, or if they'll just tread familiar ground.
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Here's some perspective. I went from being in my 20s when 10,000 Days was released...to now being into my 40s. :lol
Wow. Same here. That's crazy.
Nuts, right? ha ha ha. I hope TOOL has evolved a bit, musically, honestly. I really enjoyed their entire catalog, but I honestly sort of identify them with that time period. Twenty years ago. A lot of bands have really taken TOOL's sound and expanded on it while they've not made a record. So it'll be interesting to see if they've continued to evolve, or if they'll just tread familiar ground.
Yeah. I bet it'll sound like Soen's latest. ;D
First record was a Tool clone and they evolved with each subsequent record.
Honestly, I wouldn't complain one bit if it sounded like Lykaia. Doubt it will.
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So you guys wanna do the same with the time since Peter Gabriel released an album of original music? :lol
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Here's some perspective. I went from being in my 20s when 10,000 Days was released...to now being into my 40s. :lol
Wow. Same here. That's crazy.
Nuts, right? ha ha ha. I hope TOOL has evolved a bit, musically, honestly. I really enjoyed their entire catalog, but I honestly sort of identify them with that time period. Twenty years ago. A lot of bands have really taken TOOL's sound and expanded on it while they've not made a record. So it'll be interesting to see if they've continued to evolve, or if they'll just tread familiar ground.
Yeah. I bet it'll sound like Soen's latest. ;D
First record was a Tool clone and they evolved with each subsequent record.
Honestly, I wouldn't complain one bit if it sounded like Lykaia. Doubt it will.
I need to check their last record out. I've been hearing great things about it, but just never got to it.
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So you guys wanna do the same with the time since Peter Gabriel released an album of original music? :lol
If I had a child born that year they'd be driving by now.
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But really, they have to come out with guns blazing with this new album, in order for the Tool fans to forgive them for sitting on their asses for years and doing nothing.
Nah. Those guys don't owe me anything. Hell, half of us aren't even going to pay for it anyway.
This could be their best album, and I don't think it will be enough for some fans.
This is certainly true. But then some fans are just dicks.
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Hey guys, I thought this was the best place to post this. There's a new album called Legend of the Seagullmen that includes Danny Carey and Brent Hinds from Mastodon. I listened to it the other day and it's interesting. Thought some of you might want to check it out.
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Hey guys, I thought this was the best place to post this. There's a new album called Legend of the Seagullmen that includes Danny Carey and Brent Hinds from Mastodon. I listened to it the other day and it's interesting. Thought some of you might want to check it out.
I spaced this out. Didn't know it was out already.
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THE WAIT IS OVER!!!!!
No date yet.....and this is not a full song, heck it's really only a teaser....but THERE IS NEW MUSIC FROM TOOL!!!!!!
https://consequenceofsound.net/2018/04/tool-debut-new-music-in-tour-promo-video/
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THE WAIT IS OVER!!!!!
No date yet.....and this is not a full song, heck it's really only a teaser....but THERE IS NEW MUSIC FROM TOOL!!!!!!
https://consequenceofsound.net/2018/04/tool-debut-new-music-in-tour-promo-video/
I wouldn't call this new music. This song has been floating around for a few years now. They've been playing it in concert. And something tells me this won't be on the new album either.
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I hope that's not on the album, cause that sounds like them just dicking around. That doesn't sound like a song that took years to meticulously put together.
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Yup to both
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I was gonna say...pretty sure I'd heard that before.
Them releasing that as a teaser does not bode well for my non-existent expectations. :lol
"Here is a song we've been playing live and have had in the works for a while but are now releasing as a teaser because we have nothing else" is what that says to me. Why...would you release a song you've played more than a few times and that has been in the media already for an album that has only gotten *Insert Semi Famous Person* says new Tool album is "totally radtacular". Seems, at the very least, a poor choice; at worst, speaks to their lack of faith in their own work (or lack thereof). I'd think they'd want to release snippits of a the album itself...like most bands do when a new album is in the works.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I guess I’m late to the party. I had not heard this song. But the other glimmer of hope I got from that article is that Maynard has actually written the lyrics and the melodies. So now it’s just a matter of properly recording the demos and recording the vocals. At this point, I do sincerely believe that we will have a new Tool album within the year.
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I guess I’m late to the party. I had not heard this song. But the other glimmer of hope I got from that article is that Maynard has actually written the lyrics and the melodies. So now it’s just a matter of properly recording the demos and recording the vocals. At this point, I do sincerely believe that we will have a new Tool album within the year.
They could possibly wrap up the recording before they head out for that clinic tour they are doing.
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I guess I’m late to the party. I had not heard this song. But the other glimmer of hope I got from that article is that Maynard has actually written the lyrics and the melodies. So now it’s just a matter of properly recording the demos and recording the vocals. At this point, I do sincerely believe that we will have a new Tool album within the year.
The problem with that is he has said things like this before over the last 3 or 4 years...
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I can’t recall anything remotely as concrete as what’s been coming out recently confirming that they are actually in the studio recording the new album. I therefore choose to be optimistic and would take Tool “dicking around” with MJK’s incredible vocals over the top of it above most bands I listen to.
The new A Perfect Circle album is not perfect but the joy of hearing MJK sing for the first time in so many years (I’ve never really tried Puscifer) makes it eminently listenable to me. Tool will be another level again.
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Every track will be at least 10 minutes?? So either there will only be 6 or 7 tracks, or it’ll be a double album!
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/tool-members-hold-their-first-music-clinic/
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I really wish I could attend one of these clinics, and I really don't want my heart broken, I want this album to come out soon.
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Every track will be at least 10 minutes?? So either there will only be 6 or 7 tracks, or it’ll be a double album!
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/tool-members-hold-their-first-music-clinic/
reminds me of that rumor a few years back that said every track would be over 20 minutes and it'd be double album :V
not holding my breath
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Every track will be at least 10 minutes?? So either there will only be 6 or 7 tracks, or it’ll be a double album!
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/tool-members-hold-their-first-music-clinic/
All I see in this article is the last line. "will arrive either later in 2018 or early next year." So basically never... ::)
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https://www.loudersound.com/news/maynard-calls-on-tool-bandmates-to-finish-new-album (https://www.loudersound.com/news/maynard-calls-on-tool-bandmates-to-finish-new-album)
This band are an absolute joke...
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https://www.loudersound.com/news/maynard-calls-on-tool-bandmates-to-finish-new-album (https://www.loudersound.com/news/maynard-calls-on-tool-bandmates-to-finish-new-album)
This band are an absolute joke...
I saw that this morning. Any minimal amount of hope we had should vanish now
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I didn’t really think it had any impact on my thinking towards release. It seemed more lighthearted. Danny’s parts are already done I thought?
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I didn’t really think it had any impact on my thinking towards release. It seemed more lighthearted. Danny’s parts are already done I thought?
They've said stuff like this many times before though....
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I agree that it seemed like more of a lighthearted jab. I know it's been frustrating, and I know they are taking too long....but I do believe that they are really where they say they are in the process. They had to get through some stuff, and now they are through it, and they are at the next phase.
I still think it might take another year or two (which is still longer than it should be) but I honestly believe it's coming.
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The one thing I do think is that waiting this long to release a new album and with so many false starts, it does do them a sort of disservice, and I think Maynard has hinted at this. They’re pushing themselves to create a masterpiece or second guessing themselves and in the end people lose interest. They’ll always draw a crowd with their shows, it’s one of the best I’ve seen, but I’m not expecting anything groundbreaking or something they’ll be remembered for—I feel like they already hit that peak awhile ago.
Or maybe they’ll release a new album and teenagers will think it’s some new group and the music will speak to them and draw in a whole new fan base.
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Adam has posted a few pics from the studio on his Instagram. It does seem from them that Danny's stuff is done. Last I read somewhere, Justin was next followed by Adam and then Maynard.
He's got a pic of Danny recording drums and a pic of Danny and Joe in front of a board 'dialing in the drums'.
I'm being less pessimistic and saying it is finally progressing.
That Maynard thing absolutely looks like Maynard being Maynard and poking the bear for fun.
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new music in 2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=66&v=sqAiTxlz9gU
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See some new music as in a 10 second clip on youtube :lol
If it comes out, I look forward to listening to it.
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He said "see" new music, but he didn't say "hear" knew music. Nice try Maynard...
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I wish they stop posting things, and just release the danm thing already
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Whelp, looks like Maynard's gonna make the #MeToo list.
So much for Tool.
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Whelp, looks like Maynard's gonna make the #MeToo list.
So much for Tool.
At this point I call these things a crapshoot. Maybe he weathers it and maybe he's crucified, and I can find no rhyme or reason as to how these things play out. Flip a coin, maybe? As for my own opinions, one is that I have no reason to believe or disbelieve her story. I would assume that parts of it are true and parts of it are not. I'm not willing to nail somebody up over that, and neither should anybody else. My other opinion will very likely show up in P/R when this inevitably pops up in the Weinstein thread.
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I don't know about her story but I was a member of APC/Tool forums in the early 00s and I actually do recall knowing or unknowing groupies occasionally posting the stories of disappointing encounters with MJK so I was not surprised to see this when I saw it, in fact it reminded me of a lot of things I'd forgotten I'd read.
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As someone that is highly skeptical of much of the #metoo movement, I do believe this one. That's because I use to know a girl that worked for a rather large venue that hosted concerts all the time. She knew I liked Tool and mentioned to me one time that Maynard was notorious for doing what this lady on twitter described. He would, at every show, pick a girl to have sex with and his entourage would make it happen. Actually, the way she told it to me was that she had personally seen several young girls being lead to a room with just maynard all at once. What happened after that, everyone assumed or guessed. My friend didn't think that much of it because she said a lot of rock stars behave like this, and their fans are fully complicit. In fact, supposedly Joan Jett use to do it with men.
Of course, this was about 13-15 years ago.
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If he actually did it, then that's incredibly lame. But as with all accusations, I leave it to the police to arrest him and the court to try him, examine the evidence and then make a decision.
I could see him doing some shit like that, but my random opinion is not enough to convict someone of a crime.
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In regards to the metoo, I can't say this would surprise me if true. Multimedia business (be it producers, actors, rockstars) has been a goddam cesspool for like over a millennium long and I am willing to bet there is truth to a lot of the metoo cases, if not most. I do think the entertainment industry is long overdue for a cultural change and in that sense I think metoo is effective in the long run. I know (beginning) actors and people involved in multimedia production in my own country and yeah... there are a lot of creeps out there. Still, I think some skepticism is not out of place either, as I have witnessed two very ugly breakups that led to false rape accusations. So yes, that does happen as well, alltough the context in those cases is different. I can't possibly know this one is true or not, so I am not going to change my perception of Tool. But in the end I hope all rapists get their punishment.
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In fact, supposedly Joan Jett use to do it with men.
Sign me up! I thought she was hot back in the day (and isn't exactly gross now). Though I don't believe that story, no offense.
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I read the original article, and I want to make one thing very clear.
I think that speaking out is a good thing...because it takes away the veil that creeps hide behind, which is “plausible deniability”. Once you actually speak up and say no, and educate and encourage others to speak up and say no if you find yourself in this situation, this veil of plausible deniability disappears.
That being said, by this girls own admission, she went along with it without protesting.....Yes, she did so out of fear. (Honestly, there are stories about JFK that play out exactly the same way....I mean, how do you say no to the POTUS???). But still, it creates a situation where it is IMPOSSIBLE to *prove* that you didn’t consent. I understand that fear can freeze you....but that’s why it is important that we teach everyone to SPEAK UP!! Because if you don’t, we honestly don’t have anything tangible to base the accusation on. I’m not even saying it wasn’t rape....I’m just saying that there is no reasonable universe in which we can PROVE it’s rape unless you speak up!!! If you speak up after the fact, it may help someone in the future....so please, don’t stop speaking up. Don’t think it does nothing just because you can never prove it. Because you can at least teach the next person to be on their guard so that maybe they will speak up. But without saying anything in the moment....you’ve got nothing. I’m not even saying it’s right....it”s just reality.
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Isn't there a legal term and/or definition for that whole "just because you didn't explicitly scream "no" over and over doesn't mean it's not rape", specifically in regards to a military superior forcing an underling into a sexual act? I mean I'm sure it pertains to other situations, but I've heard of more than a couple stories regarding military personnel forcing those that serve them into sexual acts.
Either way, it's shitty to hear about. This whole revolution has really been insane. It's one of those things that everyone either was totally ignorant and blind to, or knew but didn't care because it wasn't out in the open. Now it is and there's this sensation that the famous are now pretty much broken into two halves: those that abuse and those that haven't (or haven't gotten caught...)
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As someone that is highly skeptical of much of the #metoo movement, I do believe this one. That's because I use to know a girl that worked for a rather large venue that hosted concerts all the time. She knew I liked Tool and mentioned to me one time that Maynard was notorious for doing what this lady on twitter described. He would, at every show, pick a girl to have sex with and his entourage would make it happen. Actually, the way she told it to me was that she had personally seen several young girls being lead to a room with just maynard all at once. What happened after that, everyone assumed or guessed. My friend didn't think that much of it because she said a lot of rock stars behave like this, and their fans are fully complicit. In fact, supposedly Joan Jett use to do it with men.
Of course, this was about 13-15 years ago.
Rock stars having sex with groupies backstage is not unusual I wouldn’t have thought. There’s plenty of stories about that.
If this girl was raped of course, that’s totally different but I’m not sure we can use some anecdotal evidence that he used to take groupies back to his trailer and have sex with them to try and make out MJK is any worse than any other rock star. I’m sure the likes of Bon Jovi, Van Halen, GNR etc had girls lining up outside their dressing rooms for that purpose.
Will say again for clarity though that I am not in any way condoning MJK if he has raped someone, just that the behaviour your friend described is not an indication of that, just an indication that he is a typical sleazy rockstar who is not gonna turn down sex from hot girls if they are prepared to sleep with him. I’m pretty sure that’s why a lot of people want to become rockstars in the first place, to get loads of hot girls.
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I read the original article, and I want to make one thing very clear.
I think that speaking out is a good thing...because it takes away the veil that creeps hide behind, which is “plausible deniability”. Once you actually speak up and say no, and educate and encourage others to speak up and say no if you find yourself in this situation, this veil of plausible deniability disappears.
That being said, by this girls own admission, she went along with it without protesting.....Yes, she did so out of fear. (Honestly, there are stories about JFK that play out exactly the same way....I mean, how do you say no to the POTUS???). But still, it creates a situation where it is IMPOSSIBLE to *prove* that you didn’t consent. I understand that fear can freeze you....but that’s why it is important that we teach everyone to SPEAK UP!! Because if you don’t, we honestly don’t have anything tangible to base the accusation on. I’m not even saying it wasn’t rape....I’m just saying that there is no reasonable universe in which we can PROVE it’s rape unless you speak up!!! If you speak up after the fact, it may help someone in the future....so please, don’t stop speaking up. Don’t think it does nothing just because you can never prove it. Because you can at least teach the next person to be on their guard so that maybe they will speak up. But without saying anything in the moment....you’ve got nothing. I’m not even saying it’s right....it”s just reality.
Perhaps for another thread, but I want to explore the "I didn't say no, and I did what I did out of fear" notion, but I wonder if you can have those two conditions, but not have it actually be a "consent" issue. Meaning, the "fear" thing tipped the balance of the "risk/reward" equation, but that was still a conscious decision. This comes up at work all the time in a non-sexual way. I might have to go to Dallas-Ft. Worth in two weeks. I don't want to go. I have personal things here that I have to attend to. But I fear that my position in the company might be compromised if I don't go.
Ever since "Head For Backstage Pass" on Jeff Beck's "Wired" album (what, 1976?), this has always been sort of common knowledge. Sammy Hagar made no beef about being the recipient of fellatio (I don't think he used that word) to epic proportions across the United States, and legend says Def Leppard had a special room under their "In The Round" stage to specifically accommodate that. Pam Des Barres and a couple others made an entire career out of being that girl. I get it, and I totally accept that a woman's body - or a man's - is their sole purview, unequivocally, but I shouldn't really be able to go to a strip bar and then formally complain about the "breasts" or the "loud music". I shouldn't be able to go to a race track and formally complain about the "smell of fuel everywhere".
I'm no fan of Maynard - I just don't get the notion that he's something special, like some Tool fans - but fair is fair.
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The alleged situation with Maynard and you being afraid of not going to Dallas because you'll get fired are two totally different things. "Freezing" is a response to a traumatic event, like fight or flight - I believe it's now fight, flight, or freeze. It's not necessarily something that the victim always has control over. So while Jammin's advice isn't bad at all - we should encourage people to speak up, scream, etc, if there's any chance that encouragement will help them when the occasion calls for it - there might be a scientific/biological reason why the person doesn't/can't.
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"Freezing" is a response to a traumatic event, like fight or flight - I believe it's now fight, flight, or freeze. It's not necessarily something that the victim always has control over. So while Jammin's advice isn't bad at all - we should encourage people to speak up, scream, etc, if there's any chance that encouragement will help them when the occasion calls for it - there might be a scientific/biological reason why the person doesn't/can't.
Totally this, totally agree.
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Looks like this was just a bunch of trolling:
(https://scontent.fsan1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36302481_10156314484440353_8106832482952806400_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=7c6708263e662c6cdc63a8b1b370f664&oe=5BAF47AB)
Besides the suspicious fact that those two accounts were created within an hour of each other, there was a thread on The Imageboard That Shall Not Be Named in which some dude hinted that he created the account accusing Reznor ("Trent is next, isn't he?") and therefore probably the one about Maynard too. Also, some publications reached out to the Maynard accuser for a comment, but none of them got a response.
But even if Maynard is innocent, the whole deal with the graphic backstage passes (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dgkw_PkX0AIpiwo.jpg), bringing in a whole harem and then only banging a few of them, and attempting to invite girls backstage despite them clearly being with their boyfriends is really skeevy IMO.
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The alleged situation with Maynard and you being afraid of not going to Dallas because you'll get fired are two totally different things. "Freezing" is a response to a traumatic event, like fight or flight - I believe it's now fight, flight, or freeze. It's not necessarily something that the victim always has control over. So while Jammin's advice isn't bad at all - we should encourage people to speak up, scream, etc, if there's any chance that encouragement will help them when the occasion calls for it - there might be a scientific/biological reason why the person doesn't/can't.
I don't think we're talking about the same thing. I'm not talking about the physical fear of being violently assaulted physically and sexually. I'm talking about the after-the-fact, "oh I felt scared" scenario where you COULD have physically left, but perhaps you didn't like the potential consequences of doing so.
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Looks like this was just a bunch of trolling:
(https://scontent.fsan1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36302481_10156314484440353_8106832482952806400_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=7c6708263e662c6cdc63a8b1b370f664&oe=5BAF47AB)
Besides the suspicious fact that those two accounts were created within an hour of each other, there was a thread on The Imageboard That Shall Not Be Named in which some dude hinted that he created the account accusing Reznor ("Trent is next, isn't he?") and therefore probably the one about Maynard too. Also, some publications reached out to the Maynard accuser for a comment, but none of them got a response.
But even if Maynard is innocent, the whole deal with the graphic backstage passes (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dgkw_PkX0AIpiwo.jpg), bringing in a whole harem and then only banging a few of them, and attempting to invite girls backstage despite them clearly being with their boyfriends is really skeevy IMO.
It's skeevy, but it's not illegal. That was my point above. If the "boyfriend" thing really mattered, the girl wouldn't go, it's that simple. Women are consenting adults; if they want to cheat on their boyfriends, that's their decision - and their decision alone - to make.
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The alleged situation with Maynard and you being afraid of not going to Dallas because you'll get fired are two totally different things. "Freezing" is a response to a traumatic event, like fight or flight - I believe it's now fight, flight, or freeze. It's not necessarily something that the victim always has control over. So while Jammin's advice isn't bad at all - we should encourage people to speak up, scream, etc, if there's any chance that encouragement will help them when the occasion calls for it - there might be a scientific/biological reason why the person doesn't/can't.
I don't think we're talking about the same thing. I'm not talking about the physical fear of being violently assaulted physically and sexually. I'm talking about the after-the-fact, "oh I felt scared" scenario where you COULD have physically left, but perhaps you didn't like the potential consequences of doing so.
Those are 2 different things, but what I got from the tweets is that it was the physical fear for her - assuming, of course, that this is true and not trolling as ? suggests. It wasn't "I thought he wouldn't like me so I went with it." Speaking more broadly - if it's the latter - "fear" that your favorite singer won't like you or wouldn't let you backstage again or something like that, then no, I don't think anything illegal was done. However, if it's a situation where you're an employee and it's "sleep with me or you're fired" - that's also a totally different situation than "go to Dallas to do your actual job or you're fired." Travel is part of a lot of jobs. Sleeping with a superior isn't.
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https://loudwire.com/google-alert-tool-new-album/
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Thats the best thing to ever happen. Haha...
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Almost spilled my coffee there. :loser:
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another story saying 2019 is the year
https://loudwire.com/maynard-james-keenan-2019-tool-album-long-way-2-go-much-closer/
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yeah right
still excited though
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yeah right
still excited though
At this point it's like all those groups who "know" which year the world will end.
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For real though. :lol
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This is awesome. THIS. IS. AWE. SOOOOOOOME
I have the biggest exam of the year 20 days later but I'm still going to Vienna.
YES
TOOL EUROPE TOUR 2019
SUNDAY, JUNE 2 @ MERCEDES-BENZ ARENA – BERLIN, GERMANY
ON SALE FRIDAY, OCT. 26 (9 am local)
https://www.livenation.de/arti...
TUESDAY, JUNE 4 @ O2 ARENA – PRAGUE, CZECH REPUBLIC
ON SALE FRIDAY, OCT, 26 (9am local)
https://www.livenation.cz/arti...
WEDNESDAY, JUNE 5 @ WIENER STADHALLE – VIENNA, AUSTRIA
ON SALE FRIDAY, OCT. 26 (9 am local)
https://www.livenation.de/arti...
FRIDAY, JUNE 7 @ ROCK AM RING FESTIVAL – NURBURG, GERMANY
(ALREADY ON SALE)
https://www.rock-am-ring.com/t...
SUNDAY, JUNE 9 @ ROCK IM PARK FESTIVAL – NUREMBERG, GERMANY
(ALREADY ON SALE)
https://www.rock-im-park.com/t...
TUESDAY, JUNE 11 @ IMPACT FESIVAL – TAURON ARENA – KRAKOW, POLAND
ON SALE FRIDAY, OCT. 26 (10:00 am local)
https://www.livenation.pl/arti...
THURSDAY, JUNE 13 @ FIRENZE ROCKS FESTIVAL – FLORENCE, ITALY
ON SALE FRIDAY, OCT 26 (11:00 local)
https://firenzerocks.it/tickets
SUNDAY, JUNE 16 @ DOWNLOAD FESTIVAL – DONINGTON, UK
ON SALE THURSDAY, OCT. 25 (7 pm local)
https://downloadfestival.co.uk...
TUESDAY, JUNE 18 @ ZIGGO DOME – AMSTERDAM, HOLLAND
ON SALE THURSDAY, OCT. 25 (10:00 local)
https://www.livenation.nl/arti...
THURSDAY, JUNE 20 @ COPENHELL FESTIVAL – COPENHAGEN, DENMARK
ON SALE THURSAY, OCT 25 (10:00 am local)
https://www.copenhell.dk
https://www.ticketmaster.dk/fe...
TUESDAY, JUNE 25 @ HALLENSTADION – ZURICH, SWITZERLAND
ON SALE FRIDAY, OCT. 26 (9am local)
https://www.ticketmaster.ch/ar...
SUNDAY, JUNE 30 @ DOWNLOAD FESTIVAL SPAIN – MADRID, SPAIN
ON SALE TUESDAY, OCT. 23 (5pm local)
https://downloadfestival.es/es...
TUESDAY, JULY 2 @ ALTICE ARENA – LISBON, PORTUGAL
ON SALE THURSDAY, OCT. 25 (10:00 local)
https://downloadfestival.es/es...
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Hey, my dad wanted to buy two tickets for the amsterdam show, but we cant pay at the ticketmaster website ?! dont know why.
do you have the same problem?
now we are searching for two tickets
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Hey, my dad wanted to buy two tickets for the amsterdam show, but we cant pay at the ticketmaster website ?! dont know why.
do you have the same problem?
now we are searching for two tickets
It looks like that concert is already sold out :omg:
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Amsterdam gig was sold out within 30 seconds
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Yeah I know. He had two tickets but couldnt pay because the system required a Pin with 5 numbers but we only have 4 numbers ?!?! Because of that he couldnt buy them. Im really disappointed!!!!!!! Edit: Seems like the system was changed this year from 4 to 5 numbers. but you have to change that by your own. didnt know that :(:(:(:(
Now were searching for two tickets :D
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Yeah I know. He had two tickets but couldnt pay because the system required a Pin with 5 numbers but we only have 4 numbers ?!?! Because of that he couldnt buy them. Im really disappointed!!!!!!! Edit: Seems like the system was changed this year from 4 to 5 numbers. but you have to change that by your own. didnt know that :(:(:(:(
Now were searching for two tickets :D
I don't know if it's legal to post this here (if not, please admin remove this post), but in my experience, a lot of tickets will be sold on eBay a while after a concert is sold out. Seems like a very obvious information, but I actually found some tickets (for good prices too!) a bunch of times there.
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Ok I just tried to order tickets for Tool for Vienna AND Berlin. The second the clock went to 9:00, I refreshed the page and clicked on standing tickets for Berlin AND THEY WERE ALREADY SOLD OUT!!!!!
I immediately went to my (already open) Vienna tab and refreshed it and there were still some standing tickets and I got 2 ;D
Only problem is, my friend really wanted to go to Berlin because it's a Sunday and Vienna is in the middle of the week (and a 5 hs drive for him). So now I have two tickets for Vienna and no one to go there with ( :'( ) and no tickets for Berlin where I would have someone to go with... Well, June is still a few months ahead so maybe things will clear up a little or I find a friend who wants to go after all.
But I'm so happy that I will see Tool! :metal
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https://youtu.be/P0YXI14yLg0 (https://youtu.be/P0YXI14yLg0)
This just popped in my Youtube recommended videos. I know that the band likes to troll its fans sometimes, but if a new album is on the horizon... :hat
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https://youtu.be/P0YXI14yLg0 (https://youtu.be/P0YXI14yLg0)
This just popped in my Youtube recommended videos. I know that the band likes to troll its fans sometimes, but if a new album is on the horizon... :hat
A comment under the video made me laugh until I realized that it also applied to me as well.
I was in my 20's when the last album came out. I'm in my 40's now.
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I just want to say this.
Unlike the GnR album everyone waited for and didn't care about...I really think this album *IS* going to be an album that people will flock to and buy. And while I'm not thinking it will be the equal of Lateralus, I think it will at least be worthy of bearing the Tool name. With their attention to detail, I just don't see this being a "bad" album. The worst it could possibly be is the equal of 10,000 Days, and that wouldn't be a bad thing.
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I knew I would be displeased by the Axl Rose solo record trying to be a Guns n Roses record, and I was. In retrospect, it just doesn't have an evenness in terms of style of what it wants to be. As a result, A few good songs, and a lot of "eh."
TOOL on the other hand - same dudes. Same process. I expect a lot. Sure Lateralus level is hard to expect, but I do expect something of absolutely stellar quality. And I think they'll deliver.
And yeah, I was barely still in my 20s when 10,000 was released. and I'm in my early 40s now. Crazy to think about it that way.
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I was in high school when 10,000 days came out.
Since then I am now post 1 bachelors degree, 1 doctorate degree, 10 years of college total and almost 2 years of working career, 1 failed long term relationship and one failed engagement to a fiancé that never made it to marriage. (thank god)
So yeah, its been a while. Whoever's still alive when the next next album comes out, just chuck it on my grave, lol.
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Vocals for new Tool album are done.
https://twitter.com/mjkeenan/status/1081207270342447105
@mjkeenan
Update- Final vocals tracked MONTHS ago. Then U.S.-UK-Euro run w #APC. If Tool all inst are tracked, long process of Mixing now. Meanwhile write/film/track w @puscifer for #puscifer2020 & troll the band FBs with wine posts. #funnyshit #whileyouwerewhiningiwasworking
9:14 AM - 4 Jan 2019
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Vocals for new Tool album are done.
https://twitter.com/mjkeenan/status/1081207270342447105
@mjkeenan
Update- Final vocals tracked MONTHS ago. Then U.S.-UK-Euro run w #APC. If Tool all inst are tracked, long process of Mixing now. Meanwhile write/film/track w @puscifer for #puscifer2020 & troll the band FBs with wine posts. #funnyshit #whileyouwerewhiningiwasworking
9:14 AM - 4 Jan 2019
I call BS on the vocals being "tracked months ago"
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Vocals for new Tool album are done.
https://twitter.com/mjkeenan/status/1081207270342447105
@mjkeenan
Update- Final vocals tracked MONTHS ago. Then U.S.-UK-Euro run w #APC. If Tool all inst are tracked, long process of Mixing now. Meanwhile write/film/track w @puscifer for #puscifer2020 & troll the band FBs with wine posts. #funnyshit #whileyouwerewhiningiwasworking
9:14 AM - 4 Jan 2019
I call BS on the vocals being "tracked months ago"
Same. Didn't MJK say he wanted the other guys to finish their tracking finally so he can begin his work?
I think that was not THAT long ago...
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I'm guessing mixing will take another 5 yeard, mastering another 5.
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"Yeah, it should be out mid-April," the drummer replied, adding, "That's the plan anyway."
http://loudwire.com/tool-new-album-april-2019-release/?fbclid=IwAR1i2qFOYcu__pQbkhbfxQKZH_Ege0XmDZpUvVyNxOVKKzbRF07fizS-4jA
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"Yeah, it should be out mid-April," the drummer replied, adding, "That's the plan anyway."
http://loudwire.com/tool-new-album-april-2019-release/?fbclid=IwAR1i2qFOYcu__pQbkhbfxQKZH_Ege0XmDZpUvVyNxOVKKzbRF07fizS-4jA
:rollin
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and it goes on:
Update- Midway through mixing. Most likely be a few recalls. Then some arguing. Then Mastering, Artwork, Video, Special Packaging, etc. Best Ballpark Guess- Release date somewhere between Mid May and Mid July. More focused updates to follow as we progress.
https://twitter.com/mjkeenan/status/1093896093346127872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1093896093346127872&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdc101.iheart.com%2Fcontent%2F2019-02-08-new-tool-album-will-be-out-mid-may-to-mid-july-says-maynard-james-keenan%2F
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I don't understand how this guys can be so good while at the same time having so many problems to put together a record.
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Hey, at least we are getting some updates. Unlike the years of silence. LOL
The updates at least give me hope that it is ACTUALLY happening.
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I don't understand how this guys can be so good while at the same time having so many problems to put together a record.
Well, I've understood that they're very perfectionist and don't want to release anything they consider half-arsed or substandard. But maybe their standards are tad too high.
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I think it's interesting because Tool probably could have gone the path of a normal band with an album every 3 years and maybe they would have had a very mixed discography with high highs and low lows, but instead they really put their time into it and they have a really strong discography in terms of quality-of-albums. I don't think the new album will be a disappointment, I think it will deliver and it will be a pretty good album (there's no reason to think otherwise IMO) but the long wait definitely made me lose interest in the band overall.
Quality of music is obviously entirely subjective but it's interesting that when we discuss most bands that have been around since the 80s or early 90s, there's always "oh they really went downhill in that phase" or similar opinions. With Tool they release albums so sparse that you don't really get those lulls. Part of me admires that they take their time and don't put anything out until they are 100% happy, it's all part of the charm.
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I don't understand how this guys can be so good while at the same time having so many problems to put together a record.
Well, I've understood that they're very perfectionist and don't want to release anything they consider half-arsed or substandard. But maybe their standards are tad too high.
they released 10,000 days and the back half of that was incredibly substandard compared to lateralus :P
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I don't understand how this guys can be so good while at the same time having so many problems to put together a record.
Well, I've understood that they're very perfectionist and don't want to release anything they consider half-arsed or substandard. But maybe their standards are tad too high.
they released 10,000 days and the back half of that was incredibly substandard compared to lateralus :P
4669 days since the last album, there we have it boys. Soon halfway there! :biggrin:
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I don't understand how this guys can be so good while at the same time having so many problems to put together a record.
Well, I've understood that they're very perfectionist and don't want to release anything they consider half-arsed or substandard. But maybe their standards are tad too high.
they released 10,000 days and the back half of that was incredibly substandard compared to lateralus :P
I used to agree with that but now I'm no longer that sure. It just happens the first 5 tracks are so good it sets a crazy standard. I think second half is pretty good though, Right in Two and Rosetta Stoned has grown on me and Intension ain't too bad. Virginti Tres could have been (should have been?) left off completely and I don't care much for Lost Keys either but those type of filler tracks exist on previous albums too.
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I actually like the 2nd half just as much as first half. Is it weaker? Perhaps, but I only have beef with two tracks:
1. Lipan Conjuring- As a kid I was like What the fuck is this and just skipped it. As an adult I realize its an ayahuasca shaman, who is overseeing the ceremony. Sounds like a neat idea on paper, but I'd rather they just left it off the album, or made it like 20 seconds or something.
2. Vigninti Tres is nothing and I deleted it long ago.
Besides that I really like Rosetta stoned, intention and right in two
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I wouldn't say the first half of 10,000 Days is without filler either - I skip Wings Part 1 all the time. Part 2 is way better, is already quite long, and works fine on its own imo.
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I don't understand how this guys can be so good while at the same time having so many problems to put together a record.
Well, I've understood that they're very perfectionist and don't want to release anything they consider half-arsed or substandard. But maybe their standards are tad too high.
they released 10,000 days and the back half of that was incredibly substandard compared to lateralus :P
lol no, Wings for Marie and Right in Two by themselves are better than the entire Lateralus album
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I don't understand how this guys can be so good while at the same time having so many problems to put together a record.
Well, I've understood that they're very perfectionist and don't want to release anything they consider half-arsed or substandard. But maybe their standards are tad too high.
they released 10,000 days and the back half of that was incredibly substandard compared to lateralus :P
lol no, Wings for Marie and Right in Two by themselves are better than the entire Lateralus album
10,000 Days as a whole isn’t even HALF as good as Lateralus
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it's exactly half as good as lateralus because half of it is good
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but lateralus stops being good after the title track
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lol no, Wings for Marie and Right in Two by themselves are better than the entire Lateralus album
but lateralus stops being good after the title track
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/173/576/Wat8.jpg?1315930535)
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but lateralus stops being good after the title track
I love Disposition. Such a chill song after the intense amazingness of the title track. Great back to back songs
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I haven't listened to 10,000 Days enough, but I don't think it drops in quality. The album just lacks catchiness outside The Pot.
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Look.....I'm as lukewarm on 10KD as much as the next Tool fan. But am I seriously the only one here that puts Vicarious in the top 5 Tool songs EASILY?
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Look.....I'm as lukewarm on 10KD as much as the next Tool fan. But am I seriously the only one here that puts Vicarious in the top 5 Tool songs EASILY?
Definitely one of the best on that album. Might be tied with Right in Two for me
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I would put Vicarious in my top3 i think. 10 000 Days (Wings Part 2) would also be a good candidate for that. Jambi crushes with those riffs, Wings for Marie is a good atmosphere-builder going into the second part, The Pot is just so groovy.
One thing that takes the album to another level for me is the sound/production/mix. The guitars sound crunchy and heavy, the bass is crisp and the drums sound massive. It's one of my go-to albums when I want a metal album that just sounds really good to blast from my speakers.
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but lateralus stops being good after the title track
I can't believe I'm actually commenting in the Tool thread, since I really don't consider myself a fan. Of all of their discography, Lateralus is the only album I would call solid, and even that one loses my interest after the title track. I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one and that even a fan of the band would agree.
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http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/tools-new-album-is-being-mastered-by-bob-ludwig/
Onto mastering....we’re nearly there, people!
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http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/tools-new-album-is-being-mastered-by-bob-ludwig/
Onto mastering....we’re nearly there, people!
There is still plenty of time for them to scrap the whole thing, and start from scratch. :lol
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4669 days since the last album, there we have it boys. Soon halfway there! :biggrin:
As of today, it's been 9859 days since the release of Opiate. 141 days until it's been 10,000 days from the first EP to the new album.
I'm calling it.
:rollin
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4669 days since the last album, there we have it boys. Soon halfway there! :biggrin:
As of today, it's been 9859 days since the release of Opiate. 141 days until it's been 10,000 days from the first EP to the new album.
I'm calling it.
:rollin
Dude.
DUDE
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4669 days since the last album, there we have it boys. Soon halfway there! :biggrin:
As of today, it's been 9859 days since the release of Opiate. 141 days until it's been 10,000 days from the first EP to the new album.
I'm calling it.
:rollin
And as of today, it's been 9930 days since the gig where they recorded the live tracks for Opiate 🤔
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I sense an album release announcement on 4/1.
Then watch the internet argue over whether the band is trolling us or not.
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Sorry for wasting your time entering the thread for this but yea... they updated their FB page with this:
(https://scontent-dus1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/55917918_2187095198017604_2532057227297030144_o.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ht=scontent-dus1-1.xx&oh=bc99e7644c41e3c996ac23eb30d430b7&oe=5D509486)
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Tool who?
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That pic SHOULD confirm that the album is coming this year, you would think.
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I think that's the year they start writing for the new record
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Sorry for wasting your time entering the thread for this but yea... they updated their FB page with this:
(https://scontent-dus1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/55917918_2187095198017604_2532057227297030144_o.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ht=scontent-dus1-1.xx&oh=bc99e7644c41e3c996ac23eb30d430b7&oe=5D509486)
Tool or Fool?
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knowing them, they would post 2019 in roman numerals and then release it on December 31st at 11:59pm
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Might mean 2019 more days until the album is released.
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it's an indication that they already released the album but it was sent back in time to ancient rome, where nobody had a way to play it, thus it is lost to time forever, unless an archaeologist can discover a copy hidden in the great ruins of the roman empire
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Might mean 2019 more days until the album is released.
Good, then it's only a little more than 5 years away.
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Someone on Facebook commented on this:
Call the new album 8
it's TOO L8
:lol
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I am still searching for two tickets for the Tool show in Amsterdam :)
Pls PM me :D
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https://www.kerrang.com/the-news/adam-jones-teases-new-tool-riff-hints-at-song-debut-this-sunday/
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Interesting riff.
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There a NEW profile for TOOL over Spotify, I don't think I have seem them around there ever.
There's no music on it yet, but it might be in the near future.
https://open.spotify.com/artist/2yEwvVSSSUkcLeSTNyHKh8?fbclid=IwAR00-Txxh5_qmFAvQCnu_FcQouhlFV6Yec0OHUcczmK_vYGNxErx2sntAA0
:metal
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http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/tool-performs-two-new-songs-descending-and-invincible-at-welcome-to-rockville-video/
Well. There they are
I would need to hear these songs crystal clear on the album itself before I can make any significant judgements.
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I'm not going to bother checking a bad bootleg, but I guess this is finally happening.
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They've been playing that Descending song live for years now.... :\
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They've been playing that Descending song live for years now.... :\
But only as an instrumental...
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Its awesome they played Sweat.
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They've been playing that Descending song live for years now.... :\
Shows how much I haven't been giving a shit about this band for years now.
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Just saw a Facebook status from Marjana Semkina where she jad an image from Tools twitter with a date 30th of August.
Can it be true.... is a releasedate set?
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Yes 30th of August 2079 confirmed
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So I guess August 30th 2019 is officially the release date now? Even Tool's official twitter account posted the date. We shall wait and see.
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Don't take it out of "I'll believe it when I hold it in my hands" on the New Releases thread just yet. Even after you have it in your hands, I'd at least wait another month afterwards.
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Don't take it out of "I'll believe it when I hold it in my hands" on the New Releases thread just yet. Even after you have it in your hands, I'd at least wait another month afterwards.
I mean, that's the only way to be sure. ;)
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Tool posted it on FB now too.
Maybe 31th of August will be the day they finally announce the album's release date.
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Maybe the day of the first single, if we're lucky. ;D
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Just saw a Facebook status from Marjana Semkina where she jad an image from Tools twitter with a date 30th of August.
Can it be true.... is a releasedate set?
Dang it! That makes it 10,034 days from the release day of Opiate to the release of the new album. C'mon guys, move it to late July! Oh well.
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Just saw a Facebook status from Marjana Semkina where she jad an image from Tools twitter with a date 30th of August.
Can it be true.... is a releasedate set?
Dang it! That makes it 10,034 days from the release day of Opiate to the release of the new album. C'mon guys, move it to late July! Oh well.
that would have been fun, yes
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Oh cool. New Tool on the day before my birthday.
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I listened to the live recordings and I have to say I am really positively surprised. It is hard to live up to expectations after such a delay, but I N V I N C I B L E is actually an incredible song, great rhytms and buildup :hefdaddy
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They will probably just release an EP with only Descending and Invincible on August 30th...
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Just saw a Facebook status from Marjana Semkina where she jad an image from Tools twitter with a date 30th of August.
Can it be true.... is a releasedate set?
Dang it! That makes it 10,034 days from the release day of Opiate to the release of the new album. C'mon guys, move it to late July! Oh well.
I'm sure there's a Tool fan somewhere that has used advanced trigonometric formulae, as well as the release dates for Hungary and/or the Slovakia (since the artwork, when viewed under black light after soaking in bull sperm for four hours, shows the rough outline of that part of what was formerly Prussia), to ascertain that it is, in fact, 10,000 days from... uh, something.
And of course, Tool meant all of it. They had this planned for easily 6,490 days at least. :)
EDIT: I'm poking fun in a light-hearted way. I like that kind of stuff, but it's fun to watch fans take it to new levels.
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New logo and teaser of the album here:
https://metalwani.com/2019/07/tool-releases-new-logo-released-a-teaser-for-the-long-awaited-new-album.html
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New logo and teaser of the album here:
https://metalwani.com/2019/07/tool-releases-new-logo-released-a-teaser-for-the-long-awaited-new-album.html
sound quality leaves a lot to be desired.
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The band is really living up to their name with that teaser.
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My daughter is leaving for college this fall (four weeks, to be exact). The new Tool album is currently still on the list of potential graduation presensts when she finally graduates in 2023. ;)
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My daughter is leaving for college this fall (four weeks, to be exact). The new Tool album is currently still on the list of potential graduation presensts when she finally graduates in 2023. ;)
:rollin
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Looks like the logo was an afterthought. Very weak imo. Liked the last one better.
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I am not a huge Tool fan but like their stuff and feels it's nice with a new album coming. However my feeling is that any time I see Maynard now it's just some trolling of fans or some other group of people and it feels like the band is that now, a big trolling service. Tool was a mysterious artsy band that just become a troll factory. Personally I don't get if it's that funny either :-\
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Oh cool. New Tool on the day before my birthday.
You said Tool.... huh huh huh huh huh.... :lol
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I am not a huge Tool fan but like their stuff and feels it's nice with a new album coming. However my feeling is that any time I see Maynard now it's just some trolling of fans or some other group of people and it feels like the band is that now, a big trolling service. Tool was a mysterious artsy band that just become a troll factory. Personally I don't get if it's that funny either :-\
They’ve always trolled fans. They literally wrote a song where the chorus tells fans to “shut up and buy our new record”. That’s top level trolling.
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So is there gonna be a single or any info before the album's release? Or are they just going to drop it on August 30th out of the blue? It's Tool, so I guess I wouldn't be surprised with the latter.
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So is there gonna be a single or any info before the album's release? Or are they just going to drop it on August 30th out of the blue? It's Tool, so I guess I wouldn't be surprised with the latter.
if you look here, (https://www.instagram.com/toolmusic/) then you'll see that they have been posting all the cover art chronologically. By that logic, we may see the new album art on Friday. And seeing as Fridays are release days (generally speaking of course) I wouldn't be surprised if a new single may be up by then too.
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I think it'd be cool if they just drop the album with no single.
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Considering the wait and the massive trolling that's a over a decade long I thought it would have been cool if they just dropped a new album out of nowhere without a word. Kinda do a Radiohead, just put it out one day and say "here, enjoy". :D
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What if they drop it, then never acknowledge its existence. Like never play any of the songs live and never mention it in interviews.
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If they let absolutely nothing leak until the 30th of August that would be awesome. How about going to the shops and buying the cd without hearing a fucking thing on the day. The good old days. Fucking awesome.
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If they let absolutely nothing leak until the 30th of August that would be awesome. How about going to the shops and buying the cd without hearing a fucking thing on the day. The good old days. Fucking awesome.
awesome and likely
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Oh man. I remember the days of buying an album sight unseen. Seems like a different world now :lol
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I guess I'm a bit old school because I still decide to stay in the dark with new albums and I never listen to any singles or teasers before I get a chance to listen to the album the whole way through. I guess for some people they can't resist listening if they know a single has dropped but for me there's so much other music to keep me busy in the meantime that I can stay oblivious if I want. It's kind of a shame though, feels today like some bands drop half the album as "singles" before the album releases and then there's really no "fresh" experience left.
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Tool posted it on FB now too.
Maybe 31th of August will be the day they finally announce the album's release date.
Obviously that's the day they announce the announcement date for when they announce the album release.
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I think it'd be cool if they just drop the album with no single.
I'd actually like that.
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What if they drop it, then never acknowledge its existence. Like never play any of the songs live and never mention it in interviews.
That would be great.
"Descending? What's that?"
You played it on your last tour!
"No we didn't?"
I can recite the lyrics!
"Wasn't us."
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What if they drop it, then never acknowledge its existence. Like never play any of the songs live and never mention it in interviews.
What if they drop it and it's a greatest hits record?
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What if they drop it, then never acknowledge its existence. Like never play any of the songs live and never mention it in interviews.
What if they drop it and it's a greatest hits record?
I still say it's just going to be an EP with only Descending and Invincible on it.
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What if they drop it, then never acknowledge its existence. Like never play any of the songs live and never mention it in interviews.
What if they drop it and it's a greatest hits record?
I bet the tracklist would look something like this:
1. Maynard's Dick
2. The Gaping Lotus Experience
3. Disgustipated
4. Useful Idiot
5. Message to Harry Manback
6. Intermission
7. Cesaro Summability
8. (-) Ions
9. Mantra
10. Faaip De Oiad
11. Viginti Tres
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You left Eon Blue Apocalypse, that's a hot track right there
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You left Eon Blue Apocalypse, that's a hot track right there
Can't forget Lipan Conjuring...
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You could also throw message to harry manback ii on there as a deep cut
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Psssh, everyone knows Die Eir Von Satan is the best Tool segue track.
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Psssh, everyone knows Die Eir Von Satan is the best Tool segue track.
Agreed. Especially since it really helped me step up my cookie baking game.
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Psssh, everyone knows Die Eir Von Satan is the best Tool segue track.
Agreed. Left it out because I consider it as a proper Tool song (at least more than the other segues).
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I think Manback is my fav one of those tracks. Great atmosphere.
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Maynard’s gonna be on the Joe Rogan podcast tomorrow and apparently he’s gonna talk about some “long awaited news”.
Too bad the JRE isn’t live anymore and they release it later in the day. I’m looking forward to it. Always an interesting guy to hear talk
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I didn't know JRE isn't live anymore? I thought he did live streaming on youtube? I'm pumped about the JRE interview, Maynard's last appearance was really good.
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No, he hasn’t been live since April/May. Since YouTube has been cracking down on copyrights, and some channels have been taken down without warning, he doesn’t stream live anymore. I first noticed it when a recent Eddie Bravo episode, Eddie was talking about Russia, Joe cut him off to go to the bathroom, episode cuts back to them talking about carbonated water. I looked into it and people said Joe was worried about copyright strikes. Thus, no more live streams
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No, he hasn’t been live since April/May. Since YouTube has been cracking down on copyrights, and some channels have been taken down without warning, he doesn’t stream live anymore. I first noticed it when a recent Eddie Bravo episode, Eddie was talking about Russia, Joe cut him off to go to the bathroom, episode cuts back to them talking about carbonated water. I looked into it and people said Joe was worried about copyright strikes. Thus, no more live streams
Interesting. I didn't know anything about that.
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Yeah, Joe hasn't really discussed the reasoning in great detail, but has made comments basically saying that YouTube is cracking down really hard on pretty much everything. If you notice, they don't show any videos or hardly ever play audio anymore on the podcast, if the guys in the studio are watching something, they don't show it. Jamie used to do an overlay.
I also heard that YouTube wasn't giving credit for views during live streams when it came to monetizing the video. So for someone like Joe who would typically get like 50,000 views on live streams, done several times a week - over the course of a year, that's a ton of views that YouTube basically isn't recognizing when paying out for videos on his channel.
Interested to hear the podcast with Maynard, he's a cool interview regardless of whether or not he's got some ground breaking news.
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Fear Inoculum is an interesting title.
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Alright then
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It could still get delayed, folks. :lol
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They lost the masters in a bong fire and have to rerecord from scratch. Album delayed until 2023
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I like the title
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I do too. Their back catalog is going on streaming services this Friday.
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I do too. Their back catalog is going on streaming services this Friday.
Are they finally going to sell their albums digitally too? I own them all on CD except for 10,000 Days.
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I'd also love for them to release their albums on vinyl. That'd be sweet.
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I like the album art
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I like the album art
Where did you see it? Thought it hadn’t been posted yet
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I do too. Their back catalog is going on streaming services this Friday.
Are they finally going to sell their albums digitally too? I own them all on CD except for 10,000 Days.
That is worth getting on cd. The artwork is neat wth the 3D glasses as the eyes to see the inner artwork in 3D.
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I like the album art
Where did you see it? Thought it hadn’t been posted yet
I probably misspoke.
I should say, I rather like the new font. (Which you can see on YT with the official album announcement)
But the new logo is PART of the artwork, right?
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They lost the masters in a bong fire and have to rerecord from scratch. Album delayed until 2023
Had a good laugh! :lol
The album title is neat! I hope there are no more "unforseen setbacks"...
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Maynard talks Fear Inoculum and more with Joe Rogan, watch below
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-w-LFBw8Co&fbclid=IwAR12sRwJ6SJr1fpXu0aghYTGVuaS01C6YseAT2XViU3TNAsgc2r4KASeVdQ
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Maynard in his head: "Joe, Just shut the fuck up and let me speak about the new album."
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I like the album art
Where did you see it? Thought it hadn’t been posted yet
I probably misspoke.
I should say, I rather like the new font. (Which you can see on YT with the official album announcement)
But the new logo is PART of the artwork, right?
That looked like a Windows 95 screensaver font for me
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Ahhhh been listening to Tool the whole day. What a nice welcome to finally hear them together with all the other music instead of a special music application just for that ;D
So what songs are the most important one that can finally join the other playlists in Spotify / iTunes / Tidal (not you) / streaming service? For me it's The Pot, Pushit, Ænema and Wings For Marie Pt2. Many others that I like ofc but those are so nice to finally have on the fly!
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Can't wait to listen to some tool, funny I just added all my tool music to Spotify just before Maynard made the announcement
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Tool on Spotify
https://open.spotify.com/artist/2yEwvVSSSUkcLeSTNyHKh8
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Mmm, those are some high-quality album art images :lol
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Mmm, those are some high-quality album art images :lol
Oh my god. You aint kidding :lol
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Mmm, those are some high-quality album art images :lol
Oh my god. You aint kidding :lol
Are those...fingerprints?!
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And what's with the different artwork for Opiate? Is that from some re-issue I never saw? It looks like fan art (don't mean that in a bad way).
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On Spotify, I've been reliving my Tool fandom today. All of their music is great, to me, but Lateralus is head and shoulders above the rest. I'll be fascinated to see if the new album even comes close to approaching the rest of their catalog.
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That's not even an option for me in my mind right now. I'll say this much: it's really cool to have their albums on streaming platforms, I never thought this day would come. Then again I also never thought the album would come this quickly (lol); I really thought they'd drag it out for another half year to a year.
Yeah, I'll be surprised if I can sit through the album entirely. But I think that's the safest mindset to have, because hype kills almost everything. And if I'm pleasantly surprised, then all the better. I forgot to mention that I've been pretty damn bored with the live bits from the new album so far as well though so...
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Every social media outlet today...
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67692528_2632623916762341_7071795323676393472_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_eui2=AeHQj8k1xjVpSIG9Zm2hbmcdYLsA8qgPN8937FOiCQOSm39wFc6V1r7J1Yp0O-1c4Euhcg6C_By_H59ccsUSIij2Xaz3fv98546XS0xMtAsJ3A&_nc_oc=AQn6TEw-0BIObyKj6fIibmJ2mn-DxHQ-dAN3aoZ5nOO2S9MNWfaa-tvRtU7A0sLeknE&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=3724b6f160f7476e8c95b8d4e7782aad&oe=5DA38051)
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What if they drop it, then never acknowledge its existence. Like never play any of the songs live and never mention it in interviews.
What if they drop it and it's a greatest hits record?
I bet the tracklist would look something like this:
1. Maynard's Dick
2. The Gaping Lotus Experience
3. Disgustipated
4. Useful Idiot
5. Message to Harry Manback
6. Intermission
7. Cesaro Summability
8. (-) Ions
9. Mantra
10. Faaip De Oiad
11. Viginti Tres
Funny enough there was a playlist on Amazon Music called Tool - The Deep Cuts which was pretty much all of those types of songs. I can't find it now, though.
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Yeah, I'll be surprised if I can sit through the album entirely. But I think that's the safest mindset to have, because hype kills almost everything. And if I'm pleasantly surprised, then all the better. I forgot to mention that I've been pretty damn bored with the live bits from the new album so far as well though so...
Lowering my expectations to the bare minimum did wonderfully for me with last year's A Perfect Circle record (loved that album), so I'll be doing the same with this. :lol
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http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/tool-guitarist-reveals-new-album-is-80-minutes-long-and-revolves-around-number-seven/
Some more light shed on the album. Only 7 tracks, but still 80 minutes long. I kind of expected that haha
And supposedly the album cover will be up sometime today.
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Pre-order will begin on 7th of August... I goes this is really happening :omg: :metal
https://www.facebook.com/ToolMusic/videos/364388344228432/
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Pre-order will begin on 7th of August... I goes this is really happening :omg: :metal
https://www.facebook.com/ToolMusic/videos/364388344228432/
Still too early to update the thread title?! :rollin
-Marc.
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Pre-order will begin on 7th of August... I goes this is really happening :omg: :metal
https://www.facebook.com/ToolMusic/videos/364388344228432/
Still too early to update the thread title?! :rollin
-Marc.
Yes
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I wonder if the album art will move, like how Ænima would move
Love the album art though
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Well, it’s already moving!😉
https://www.facebook.com/ToolMusic/videos/364388344228432?s=100000056893649&v=e&sfns=mo
Since their other arts have something special for the physical format, I’m expecting the same for this one.
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Not quite sure if I can post this here, but if you got some minutes, I did a cover of Eulogy intro, with spoons and glasses of water :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDHnlcUOWjM
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This happening has kind of just dawned on me looking at that cover. This is kind of a big fucking deal!
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Not quite sure if I can post this here, but if you got some minutes, I did a cover of Eulogy intro, with spoons and glasses of water :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDHnlcUOWjM
:lol :tup
This happening has kind of just dawned on me looking at that cover. This is kind of a big fucking deal!
Yea can't believe after all these years we might actually finally getting a new Tool album! :metal
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Funny how they release their discography on streaming services, yet no Salival. I wonder how many fans were upset when they found out they won't be able to hear those songs in better than youtube quality.
Im excited for tomorrow, although my hopes aren't high, im still expecting it to be a usual Tool album.
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Listened to Lateralus for the first today today in years. A lot somber and quieter than I remembered, but still amazing. I want to try and arrange it as per 'The Holy Gift' sequence and see how that flows.
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It's 8:14 am ET and enough time has passed since 8:00 to listen to the new Tool song.
OPINIONS?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=q7DfQMPmJRI
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Reminiscent of previous material, but regardless I like it a lot
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Guess i have to believe that this is truly happening.. :o
Obviously a lot to take in, but a positive first impression regardless. Weird choice for a single...
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I like it. Definitely gonna need more listens though! I like how Danny brought the tablas back, it gave me a Disposition/Reflection vibe.
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It’s really good. It’s a bit “Tool by the Numbers”, but it’s still excellent.
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I like it. Definitely gonna need more listens though! I like how Danny brought the tablas back, it gave me a Disposition/Reflection vibe.
Me too. Which I am totally fine with. Those are two of my very favorite Tool songs, so more of that please :heart
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After 13 years they finally release the cure for Erectile Dysfunction
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Not quite sure if I can post this here, but if you got some minutes, I did a cover of Eulogy intro, with spoons and glasses of water :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDHnlcUOWjM
Yesss.
Also not listening to the new single but cautiously curious about the new album.
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In all my time at DTF, this thread actually has new music to discuss, wow! I’m on holiday now, so I can’t listen :lol
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The last time I heard new Tool music, I was still in college. I'm 35 now. :lol
Anyways, I liked it enough, but I kept waiting for the song to break out in a super-heavy and wild part that never came. It was pretty chill most of the time, not that that's bad, but I guess I expected more, maybe?
Also, the Amazon tracklist showed 11 tracks, but I thought this album was said to have 7? I read in an interview somewhere that 7 became the theme of the album since there were a lot of riffs and songs in 7, and so they ended up with 7 tracks totaling 80 minutes of music. Maybe one of the songs has multiple tracks, a la a multi-movement epic? I wouldn't mind a 20-minute epic from Tool!
-Marc.
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Anyways, I liked it enough, but I kept waiting for the song to break out in a super-heavy and wild part that never came. It was pretty chill most of the time, not that that's bad, but I guess I expected more, maybe?
Pretty much my thoughts, as well.
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Just clicked play on the new track. So far, so good!
My question is, is the cheapest version of the CD $45? Link: https://www.amazon.com/You-Gonna-Love-Not-Tellin/dp/B07VGTYTBF/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2SX9RGUIV7H0O&keywords=tool+fear+inoculum&qid=1565179684&s=music&sprefix=tool+fear+in%2Cdigital-music%2C128&sr=1-2&tag=smarturl-pivot-20
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Just had a look and it's almost been a decade since this thread was started. Assuming August 30th is the actual release date, it will be 10 years minus 1 week between the thread starting and a new Tool album. Shame the guy who started it isn't around to edit the title now.
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I imagine there’ll be some criticism in that it is not a huge departure and could easily have been on either of the last two albums. I really enjoyed it, yes it does sound like more of the same but, as Tool are so different from any other band out there anyway and don’t release stuff very often, I don’t really mind.
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The last time I heard new Tool music, I was still in college. I'm 35 now. :lol
Anyways, I liked it enough, but I kept waiting for the song to break out in a super-heavy and wild part that never came. It was pretty chill most of the time, not that that's bad, but I guess I expected more, maybe?
Also, the Amazon tracklist showed 11 tracks, but I thought this album was said to have 7? I read in an interview somewhere that 7 became the theme of the album since there were a lot of riffs and songs in 7, and so they ended up with 7 tracks totaling 80 minutes of music. Maybe one of the songs has multiple tracks, a la a multi-movement epic? I wouldn't mind a 20-minute epic from Tool!
-Marc.
At first I read 7 tracks, then another article said 7 songs with 2 interludes. Not sure where the 11 came from
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Im excited for tomorrow, although my hopes aren't high, im still expecting it to be a usual Tool album.
Yup, Usual Tool. Not that that's bad. I enjoyed it on first listen, the production is lovely, lots of atmosphere and space between the instruments.
I like it. Definitely gonna need more listens though! I like how Danny brought the tablas back, it gave me a Disposition/Reflection vibe.
It gave me that vibe instantly, and I'm glad as those are my faves. Even the end solo has that reflection vibe.
Can't wait to see where Fear Inoculum will fall in the album.
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Just had a look and it's almost been a decade since this thread was started. Assuming August 30th is the actual release date, it will be 10 years minus 1 week between the thread starting and a new Tool album. Shame the guy who started it isn't around to edit the title now.
New Tool album? It's about time! :metal
Poor Zeltar! :'( :lol
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Just clicked play on the new track. So far, so good!
My question is, is the cheapest version of the CD $45? Link: https://www.amazon.com/You-Gonna-Love-Not-Tellin/dp/B07VGTYTBF/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2SX9RGUIV7H0O&keywords=tool+fear+inoculum&qid=1565179684&s=music&sprefix=tool+fear+in%2Cdigital-music%2C128&sr=1-2&tag=smarturl-pivot-20
EMP Germany said on facebook, there will only be a special edition CD for 80€ and no cheaper version nor vinyl is going to be released. lol
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Just clicked play on the new track. So far, so good!
My question is, is the cheapest version of the CD $45? Link: https://www.amazon.com/You-Gonna-Love-Not-Tellin/dp/B07VGTYTBF/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2SX9RGUIV7H0O&keywords=tool+fear+inoculum&qid=1565179684&s=music&sprefix=tool+fear+in%2Cdigital-music%2C128&sr=1-2&tag=smarturl-pivot-20
I am getting a little worried as I am starting to get the impression that this album's main format is digital with that special CD thing as the only physical format. Their website mentions the album is 85 minutes long. CD's can only hold 80. $45 might be the cheapest physical option out there. I guess we'll see.
This line from the description is what has me a bit worried:
The album will be available digitally, and in a special Limited Edition physical package that includes a CD in a tri-fold Soft Pack Video Brochure featuring a 4" HD rechargeable screen with exclusive video footage, a USB charging cable, a 2 watt speaker and a 36 page insert book and MP3 download card.
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Okay, this sounds pretty great actually. It's pretty clear they're keen on not straying too far at all from their usual format, but at this point I think that it's just surprising that it's real. It's absolutely surreal listening to this knowing it's not fake. More of the same motifs they've come to be known for but they took a few moments here and there where I at least said to myself "okay, that's kind of a new twist, and cool". But at no point was I blown away and thinking that they've grown and evolved. Again though, I never expected that, but it's something to note that they very clearly are...maybe "reusing" is too harsh, but certainly "imitating" the same sounds and hooks that made some of their most popular songs popular in the first place while still making something new. Not a bad thing, but perhaps it's something to set a standard by.
It's also fitting for what I'd be willing to bet will be their last album. Keep the nostalgia but make new music. However, if they weren't bullshitting on how much material they've written for this album, they might be able to reuse, recycle, reinvent some of the stuff that they weren't happy with on this one for a last hurrah. But that doesn't seem up their ally for a last album, nor does a B-sides.
I'll also say that I was very worried about every track being pretty long, but this went by pretty quick. They're fantastic at melding those mellow, very calming, atmospheric moments to transition sections in the song and I kind of don't notice it after a while. Then again Disposition/Reflection is by far my favorite song (duo) from them so that format is right up my alley. At the very least, this got me excited for the new album. Definitely not ramping up any hopes or expectations though.
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Just clicked play on the new track. So far, so good!
My question is, is the cheapest version of the CD $45? Link: https://www.amazon.com/You-Gonna-Love-Not-Tellin/dp/B07VGTYTBF/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2SX9RGUIV7H0O&keywords=tool+fear+inoculum&qid=1565179684&s=music&sprefix=tool+fear+in%2Cdigital-music%2C128&sr=1-2&tag=smarturl-pivot-20
I am getting a little worried as I am starting to get the impression that this album's main format is digital with that special CD thing as the only physical format. Their website mentions the album is 85 minutes long. CD's can only hold 80. $45 might be the cheapest physical option out there. I guess we'll see.
This line from the description is what has me a bit worried:
The album will be available digitally, and in a special Limited Edition physical package that includes a CD in a tri-fold Soft Pack Video Brochure featuring a 4" HD rechargeable screen with exclusive video footage, a USB charging cable, a 2 watt speaker and a 36 page insert book and MP3 download card.
Yes, we shall see (bang bang bang bang). Seriously though, in case there were to be a Hi Res download option and it were to be cheaper than this deluxe mess, then I may buy the Hi Res version (there is no maximum length when it comes to that format too)
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It's completely emotionally dry and has nothing fresh or surprising about it
So it's basically a weaker 10,000 Days song
Exactly what I was expecting, too
Probably gonna be one of those albums I spin once out of curiosity then never revisit again
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I am fully onboard with the plebs and am strictly streaming this one. :laugh: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It's completely emotionally dry and has nothing fresh or surprising about it
I wasn't as harsh on it simply because my expectations were not just that they'd rehash what worked before, but that they'd be worse. But also kind of thought this once or twice at moments before I just kind of went with it.
It's definitely not too hard to imagine someone in the room saying "Okay guys, what worked before? Let's use that as much as humanly possible without them saying that we literally copy and pasted the track". :lol But whatever, again...I expected a literal joke of an album so...eh!
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I was expecting an entire album of interludes like Lipan Conjuring, so this was better than expected. Still didn't do much for me, but like Tio, I was expecting the worst, so this is okay
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The only concern I have is that there won’t be any strong choruses on this album. I’ve listened to this song a few times and I heard the 2 live songs that they’ve been doing all year, and they all just sound like long jams with random lyrics/vocals put over them. I hope they prove me wrong, or make me love what they came up with regardless.
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I was expecting an entire album of interludes like Lipan Conjuring, so this was better than expected. Still didn't do much for me, but like Tio, I was expecting the worst, so this is okay
:lol I kind of would have respected the amount of "fuck you"s that would have entailed.
I'm pretty sure the guys know that their real (I say real with a very specific inflection) fanbase will eat up anything they put out that sounds even remotely reminiscent of the "Tool sound", so what this track sounds like is very logical to me, and most assuredly extremely calculated (not in an original, musical sense but in a, "let's appease them" sense).
The only concern I have is that there won’t be any strong choruses on this album. I’ve listened to this song a few times and I heard the 2 live songs that they’ve been doing all year, and they all just sound like long jams with random lyrics/vocals put over them. I hope they prove me wrong, or make me love what they came up with regardless.
This is so much what I feel with the other two songs. Legit exactly what I thought is that it just sounded like a jam session and they were like "Oh.....OH YEAH, this is a new song, for sure, definitely!"
Now, I don't feel that so much with this one, but like I said, it panders to what I liked most about the older Tool stuff and I have ZERO doubt that is exactly what the guys are counting on. Pandering. Which is disappointing in its own right. Though no one every claimed Maynard or the others were ever stupid, so they know what they're doing.
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That song went nowhere. Sounds great but the song muddled along.
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My thought on the song:
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/news/tool-stream-fear-inoculum-title-track
The title track of TOOL‘s long-awaited fifth studio album, Fear Inoculum, can be streamed below. The disc, which will arrive on August 30 via RCA Records, will follow up 2006’s 10,000 Days. Yes, it’s been a painfully long wait for the TOOL fans out there, and they have always operated the same way: teasing their fans with barely nothing and building an excruciating tension among them all prior to any album release.
The 10 minutes-long title cut is a slow-burner, somewhat cathartic and psychedelic tinged song, very much a familiar blend between the Lateralus and 10,000 days tracks. The percussion and bass-lines are hypnotic, and its pace is slow and painful, empowered by the Middle-Eastern drum filigranes of Carey and delicate harmonies building a crescendo, without revealing much at all. At the end it somehow leaves me with a little uncomfortable taste of not getting everything I was hoping for, and that is probably their exact intentions. As we must wait to hear the whole album to really be able to form a definitive opinion, one thing is for sure: this track sounds 100% as TOOL, which is probably what their millions of followers are expecting and salivating about.
Continuing its affinity for pushing the boundaries of physical packaging, the Grammy Award-winning outfit has created a deluxe, limited-edition CD version of Fear Inoculum. The collectible offering, which was conceived by and directed by Adam Jones, features a four-inch HD rechargeable screen with exclusive video footage, charging cable, two-watt speaker, a 36-page booklet and a digital download card. Pre-orders for both the special package and digital downloads are . A vinyl release will be announced soon.
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The only concern I have is that there won’t be any strong choruses on this album. I’ve listened to this song a few times and I heard the 2 live songs that they’ve been doing all year, and they all just sound like long jams with random lyrics/vocals put over them. I hope they prove me wrong, or make me love what they came up with regardless.
Except for 5-8 songs, that's the way their music sounds to me and that's the reason I've never cared much for them.
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I'm not a massive die-hard Tool fan, but I do have all their releases. Looks more and more like this won't be one of them. Song doesn't grab me, and with no physical product, I'm not going to just give it a flyer. Oh well.
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Just clicked play on the new track. So far, so good!
My question is, is the cheapest version of the CD $45? Link: https://www.amazon.com/You-Gonna-Love-Not-Tellin/dp/B07VGTYTBF/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2SX9RGUIV7H0O&keywords=tool+fear+inoculum&qid=1565179684&s=music&sprefix=tool+fear+in%2Cdigital-music%2C128&sr=1-2&tag=smarturl-pivot-20
I am getting a little worried as I am starting to get the impression that this album's main format is digital with that special CD thing as the only physical format. Their website mentions the album is 85 minutes long. CD's can only hold 80. $45 might be the cheapest physical option out there. I guess we'll see.
This line from the description is what has me a bit worried:
The album will be available digitally, and in a special Limited Edition physical package that includes a CD in a tri-fold Soft Pack Video Brochure featuring a 4" HD rechargeable screen with exclusive video footage, a USB charging cable, a 2 watt speaker and a 36 page insert book and MP3 download card.
Hahaha. Thats great seeing how the trailers and album art were videos. I was actually thinking what if its just digitally and the physical would just be a dvd or bluray release.
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I'm not a massive die-hard Tool fan, but I do have all their releases. Looks more and more like this won't be one of them. Song doesn't grab me, and with no physical product, I'm not going to just give it a flyer. Oh well.
There is a physical product.
special Limited Edition physical package that includes a CD in a tri-fold Soft Pack Video Brochure featuring a 4" HD rechargeable screen with exclusive video footage, a USB charging cable, a 2 watt speaker and a 36 page insert book and MP3 download card.
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I mean...that's the way we're headed for all releases, I'm kind of surprised that people are surprised that it's becoming a "limited edition" type of deal. It's been that way for a bit and it's more and more becoming a "support the band even more by buying physical" than an expected physical release. But I get it, for a band that's last release was that long ago and for one that has the amount of foaming-mouth-fans as they do.
Sooner or later it'll be "super limited crystal edition physical copies, 500 total made". I have a hard time saying they'll never make physical copies simply because of human stubbornness and collector's ferocity but after a while it'll be made simply because of fandom and the bands will lose money no matter what. I guess that's another topic all together though.
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I'm surprised they didn't go for a vinyl re-issue campaign of all their albums plus the new one.
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I'm not a massive die-hard Tool fan, but I do have all their releases. Looks more and more like this won't be one of them. Song doesn't grab me, and with no physical product, I'm not going to just give it a flyer. Oh well.
There is a physical product.
special Limited Edition physical package that includes a CD in a tri-fold Soft Pack Video Brochure featuring a 4" HD rechargeable screen with exclusive video footage, a USB charging cable, a 2 watt speaker and a 36 page insert book and MP3 download card.
No, I got that, but I'm not dropping $45 on a lark. The new song didn't scrinkle my scrotum, so... we'll see what comes down the road.
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Their website mentions the album is 85 minutes long. CD's can only hold 80.
CD's can hold more than 80 minutes of music these days.
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I don't think is a good strategy to sell this album... I don't know, but I have the impression that there's still a lot more people that love to buy CDs for a reasonable price than those that buy this "super-mega-out-of-this-world" special editions. I'm a Tool fan (like of a lot of other bands tha I really like), I would love to buy this physical album, but no way to pay $ 45,00 in a Tool album, sorry!
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Their website mentions the album is 85 minutes long. CD's can only hold 80.
CD's can hold more than 80 minutes of music these days.
Then why did they cut down parts of The Astonishing because Disc 1 couldn't fit on one CD?
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Haven't seen the album art work before but really dislike the new font. Feels like decoration from a 90s web page :justjen
First impression of the new song is good, not fantastic. Feels like Lunatic Soul for me. Would have liked some stronger melodies and cleaner vocals. Anyway, Tool albums are never perfect from start to finish for me. This is good enough and something I will listen to more but hard to see it becoming a favorite.
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Looks like cd is only 79 min but you also get the MP3 version with the full 80+ min. Got to say, as a physical music buyer, this seems all pretty unsatisfactory. Amazon in the U.K. also has the album costing £77.60, although there are no details of what is included so that may turn out to be inaccurate. Would maybe consider dropping £40 on this, albeit reluctantly, if the packaging was amazing but definitely not £77.60 unless it was multiple discs of music and not just the album.
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I mean...that's the way we're headed for all releases, I'm kind of surprised that people are surprised that it's becoming a "limited edition" type of deal. It's been that way for a bit and it's more and more becoming a "support the band even more by buying physical" than an expected physical release. But I get it, for a band that's last release was that long ago and for one that has the amount of foaming-mouth-fans as they do.
Sooner or later it'll be "super limited crystal edition physical copies, 500 total made". I have a hard time saying they'll never make physical copies simply because of human stubbornness and collector's ferocity but after a while it'll be made simply because of fandom and the bands will lose money no matter what. I guess that's another topic all together though.
But why are small-time bands who can barely afford to tour in the first place still producing CDs for the traditional price then? It is weird that a band as ginormous as Tool isn't just selling a basic CD copy. They have enough of a reach that they could still make plenty of money off those.
I checked out the song. *shrug* I don't get Tool.
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Their website mentions the album is 85 minutes long. CD's can only hold 80.
CD's can hold more than 80 minutes of music these days.
You can also release on *gasp* two CDs
This is exactly what Thank You Scientist (comparatively a no-name band by popularity) did just months ago
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I've only heard the single off of shitty smartphone speakers so far, as I'm at work, so taking my thoughts with a grain of salt:
It's certainly nothing ground-breaking from what the band has done in the past, and in a way it's interesting how it seems that they just picked up where they left off after 13 years without missing much of a beat. That said, this song feels maybe a little too...directionless? I really enjoy the build up and how it progresses throughout very organically, but it sounds as if it continues to build up to something that never comes. It may work better in context with the rest of the album, so I'm not counting it out just yet. In a way I really do admire the musical restraint shown on this track as well. Clearly they wanted to set a tone and atmosphere with this single and in that regard I do commend it. This album has a hell of a lot to live up to, so I'm keeping my expectations measured, but as of now I'm just waiting to hear more of what they have to offer.
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Bullmoose has it for 36 bucks, free shipping and no tax. $10 bucks cheaper than amazon.
https://www.bullmoose.com/p/31590716/tool-fear-inoculum-4-hd-rechargeable-screen-with-exclusive-video-footage-charging-cable-2-watt-speaker-30-page-book-mp3-download-card
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Reading all of your thoughts on the new song, I went in with very low expectations......
I have just one question for y'all.....Are you sure we are listening to the same song? This thing is awesome!
First and foremost (at least to me), Danny Carey is still one of the most exciting drummers in the world to listen to. The usage of tablas is very Danny Carey-ish, but they sound great. His approach to fills and the overall structure of the drums within the song are always captivating. I still love that bass tone that Justin has been using the last couple albums, it's thick and meaty. And then Adam Jones has such a different approach to guitar that just about anyone else out there. I also think Maynard sounds great and I've always liked their lyrics. Sure the song doesn't have any real big climax or anything, but I think that is intentional, especially if this is a concept album.
Does it sound like Tool? Absolutely. Is it similar in style to the last couple albums? Sure. Is it worth getting excited over? Hell yes! Is it better than their previous albums? That remains to be seen, but I am now much more optimistic after hearing the title track.
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I think the first half is great, but the second half goes nowhere. Like others have said though, it could work in context with the album better.
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I mean...that's the way we're headed for all releases, I'm kind of surprised that people are surprised that it's becoming a "limited edition" type of deal. It's been that way for a bit and it's more and more becoming a "support the band even more by buying physical" than an expected physical release. But I get it, for a band that's last release was that long ago and for one that has the amount of foaming-mouth-fans as they do.
Sooner or later it'll be "super limited crystal edition physical copies, 500 total made". I have a hard time saying they'll never make physical copies simply because of human stubbornness and collector's ferocity but after a while it'll be made simply because of fandom and the bands will lose money no matter what. I guess that's another topic all together though.
But why are small-time bands who can barely afford to tour in the first place still producing CDs for the traditional price then? It is weird that a band as ginormous as Tool isn't just selling a basic CD copy. They have enough of a reach that they could still make plenty of money off those.
I checked out the song. *shrug* I don't get Tool.
Well - and I don't think this is a controversial statement at all - there's an element of Tool that has to be off the beaten path on the whole package. In my Tool collection I have an lenticular cover, I have a fancy slipcase, I have what looks like a backpack or some such... it doesn't surprise me at all that there is something out of the ordinary on this release. If I was a bigger fan I might me more jazzed by it (though, frankly, I find this stuff more annoying than anything else. Marillion and the Flaming Lips are good for this kind of thing too. I just want the MUSIC. That's why I'm here.)
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I mean...that's the way we're headed for all releases, I'm kind of surprised that people are surprised that it's becoming a "limited edition" type of deal. It's been that way for a bit and it's more and more becoming a "support the band even more by buying physical" than an expected physical release. But I get it, for a band that's last release was that long ago and for one that has the amount of foaming-mouth-fans as they do.
Sooner or later it'll be "super limited crystal edition physical copies, 500 total made". I have a hard time saying they'll never make physical copies simply because of human stubbornness and collector's ferocity but after a while it'll be made simply because of fandom and the bands will lose money no matter what. I guess that's another topic all together though.
But why are small-time bands who can barely afford to tour in the first place still producing CDs for the traditional price then? It is weird that a band as ginormous as Tool isn't just selling a basic CD copy. They have enough of a reach that they could still make plenty of money off those.
I checked out the song. *shrug* I don't get Tool.
Because small time bands are more likely to have fans who want to directly support the band. Same reason most small bands have bandcamps to buy the digital album even though they're all streaming as well.
I really enjoy this song and excited for the album.
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This thing is awesome!
Agreed. This is, by far, the best thing they've created in over a decade! :tup :tup
As for the emphasis on digital download vs. physical copy. I'm planning to buy it digitally and burn me a CD.
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This thing is awesome!
Agreed. This is, by far, the best thing they've created in over a decade! :tup :tup
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I’m liking it more and more with each listen, probably because I’m home from work now and I got to give it my undivided attention.
I guess the chorus is the ‘exhale, expel...’ part that happens twice(?) or is it not a chorus at all 😂
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:neverusethis:
:)
First and foremost (at least to me), Danny Carey is still one of the most exciting drummers in the world to listen to. The usage of tablas is very Danny Carey-ish, but they sound great. His approach to fills and the overall structure of the drums within the song are always captivating. I still love that bass tone that Justin has been using the last couple albums, it's thick and meaty. And then Adam Jones has such a different approach to guitar that just about anyone else out there. I also think Maynard sounds great and I've always liked their lyrics.
In all seriousness, I agree with all the above. After three listens the tune is starting to separate itself from the rest of their catalog. I hear subtle differences each time I hear it. I would also add that I appreciate the lack of angstyness. That was always cool and appropriate for their albums when they were younger, but let's face it they aren't young guys anymore. I welcome a more mature exploration of their style. It comes off as sincere. I said much the same thing about Distance Over Time by DT.
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I haven't heard the song. But I have read some things about people here wanting strong choruses, melody and clean vocals on the album. When has Tool ever been about those things :lol
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Shame there won't be a vinyl release of the album, i would have bought that in a heartbeat!
Liking the song more and more as time goes on. Justin's bass riff is firmly stuck in my head! :metal He is such an underrated bassist.
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I haven't heard the song. But I have read some things about people here wanting strong choruses, melody and clean vocals on the album. When has Tool ever been about those things :lol
Pardon my ignorance, but... hasn't Tool always had clean vocals? I've heard two albums and I don't recall hearing the Cookie Monster on them.
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Nothing really out of the ordinary here, not sure why I would expect anything different.
Sounds like Tool.
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I haven't heard the song. But I have read some things about people here wanting strong choruses, melody and clean vocals on the album. When has Tool ever been about those things :lol
Pardon my ignorance, but... hasn't Tool always had clean vocals? I've heard two albums and I don't recall hearing the Cookie Monster on them.
Opiate and Undertow have Maynard screaming but not growls.
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10 years, and that's what they come up with? Crikey. 10 minutes of rambling nothingness for me.
(I've never been a huge Tool fan, admittedly. I imagine their fan-base will lap it up. Which is great.)
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Damit. I was gonna be all cool and go for the "it's ok but nothing more" from my first listen but that song grows like crazy! I am more or less spinning the track now and can't get enough! So much instrumental blizz and Maynard has a voice to kill for. Damit Tool! I am excited now ;D
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Just clicked play on the new track. So far, so good!
My question is, is the cheapest version of the CD $45? Link: https://www.amazon.com/You-Gonna-Love-Not-Tellin/dp/B07VGTYTBF/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2SX9RGUIV7H0O&keywords=tool+fear+inoculum&qid=1565179684&s=music&sprefix=tool+fear+in%2Cdigital-music%2C128&sr=1-2&tag=smarturl-pivot-20
Apparently, sometime last night, the price for FI went down to $37.67 on Amazon, so I ordered it super quick before it went back up. Ended up at $39.93 after taxes, which saves me at least 6 bucks!
-Marc.
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Yep, absolutely loving this. Initial reaction was that it was more of the same but still cool as they are unique and it’s so long since they released anything. The more you listen to it though, there’s just so much incredible music in this 10 min song. Gorgeous vocal from MJK, huge guitar sound as always and that rhythm section is just out of this world.
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Just clicked play on the new track. So far, so good!
My question is, is the cheapest version of the CD $45? Link: https://www.amazon.com/You-Gonna-Love-Not-Tellin/dp/B07VGTYTBF/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2SX9RGUIV7H0O&keywords=tool+fear+inoculum&qid=1565179684&s=music&sprefix=tool+fear+in%2Cdigital-music%2C128&sr=1-2&tag=smarturl-pivot-20
Apparently, sometime last night, the price for FI went down to $37.67 on Amazon, so I ordered it super quick before it went back up. Ended up at $39.93 after taxes, which saves me at least 6 bucks!
-Marc.
Still listed as £79.99 in the U.K.
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Physical seems to already be sold out. Amazon doesn't have it and neither does Bull Moose. That went quick.
Guess I hope for an HD Tracks version.
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Is it seriously that much and selling out? I'll just go to the record store, and if it sells out there I will wait for the hype to die down- I've already waited this long :lol
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Damit. I was gonna be all cool and go for the "it's ok but nothing more" from my first listen but that song grows like crazy! I am more or less spinning the track now and can't get enough! So much instrumental blizz and Maynard has a voice to kill for. Damit Tool! I am excited now ;D
My first listen was sort of "welp this is definitely Tool" but the more you listen to it the more it pays off.
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Damit. I was gonna be all cool and go for the "it's ok but nothing more" from my first listen but that song grows like crazy! I am more or less spinning the track now and can't get enough! So much instrumental blizz and Maynard has a voice to kill for. Damit Tool! I am excited now ;D
My first listen was sort of "welp this is definitely Tool" but the more you listen to it the more it pays off.
This is very true.
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Is it seriously that much and selling out? I'll just go to the record store, and if it sells out there I will wait for the hype to die down- I've already waited this long :lol
Sure looks that way. I went to Wal-Mart, Amoeba and a few others. All say out of stock or unavailable. Barnes and Noble and Target both had it available (maybe, who knows). B&N was $40 with free shipping. Target was $45. I just went ahead and pulled the trigger at B&N. Really shouldn't have as I am in a financial bind right now, but, oh well.
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Apparently the physical copy comes with some kind of HD screen or something? Is that why it's so expensive?
I just want a jewelcase with the CD in it. :sad:
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Apparently the physical copy comes with some kind of HD screen or something? Is that why it's so expensive?
I just want a jewelcase with the CD in it. :sad:
Correct
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What does the screen even look like? I've read the descriptions of the package but I still have no clue what the 'screen' thing even means. I'm picturing one of those triangle devices they used for Sabre in season 8 or 9 of The Office :lol
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What does the screen even look like? I've read the descriptions of the package but I still have no clue what the 'screen' thing even means. I'm picturing one of those triangle devices they used for Sabre in season 8 or 9 of The Office :lol
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/theoffice/images/8/87/Sabre_Pyamid.png/)
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Yes, exactly!! :lol
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Is it seriously that much and selling out? I'll just go to the record store, and if it sells out there I will wait for the hype to die down- I've already waited this long :lol
Sure looks that way. I went to Wal-Mart, Amoeba and a few others. All say out of stock or unavailable. Barnes and Noble and Target both had it available (maybe, who knows). B&N was $40 with free shipping. Target was $45. I just went ahead and pulled the trigger at B&N. Really shouldn't have as I am in a financial bind right now, but, oh well.
Hopefully Target still has it. I have a gift card there.
Edit: Hooray for Target gift cards.
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What does the screen even look like? I've read the descriptions of the package but I still have no clue what the 'screen' thing even means. I'm picturing one of those triangle devices they used for Sabre in season 8 or 9 of The Office :lol
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/theoffice/images/8/87/Sabre_Pyamid.png/)
Today's gonna be a good day! With Dunder Mifflin and Sah-Bray!
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What does the screen even look like? I've read the descriptions of the package but I still have no clue what the 'screen' thing even means. I'm picturing one of those triangle devices they used for Sabre in season 8 or 9 of The Office :lol
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/theoffice/images/8/87/Sabre_Pyamid.png/)
Today's gonna be a good day! With Dunder Mifflin and Sah-Bray!
:rollin
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What does the screen even look like? I've read the descriptions of the package but I still have no clue what the 'screen' thing even means. I'm picturing one of those triangle devices they used for Sabre in season 8 or 9 of The Office :lol
The description says it's a 4" screen. So for me, I'm imagining a fold out style CD case with a little 4" square screen in the front of it and a mini usb charging port on one of the sides....maybe the bottom.
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What does the screen even look like? I've read the descriptions of the package but I still have no clue what the 'screen' thing even means. I'm picturing one of those triangle devices they used for Sabre in season 8 or 9 of The Office :lol
The description says it's a 4" screen. So for me, I'm imagining a fold out style CD case with a little 4" square screen in the front of it and a mini usb charging port on one of the sides....maybe the bottom.
I suspect a square screen, showing the "moving" version of the cover artwork form the 7 Aug announcement.
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I ordered it from B&N, should've ordered from Amazon when I had the chance. Still kinda steep price for a CD plus other stuff I'll probably lose interest after a few days.
Though I'm very curious about the album, haven't heard a lick of any new stuff.
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I wonder what will be cut from the cd version. Maybe the interlude tracks will be shorter.
im thinking the screen will look like a Switch.
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is the new song getting radioplay? i was surprised when Vicarious got so much commercial radio play, but then again it's Tool, one of the most popular metal bands ever. Fear Inoculum is 10 minutes though. is it on the radio?
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is the new song getting radioplay? i was surprised when Vicarious got so much commercial radio play, but then again it's Tool, one of the most popular metal bands ever. Fear Inoculum is 10 minutes though. is it on the radio?
I've heard Lateralus on our local station before. Not too sure as I don't listen to it anymore.
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Just saw the Sammy Hagar Rock and Roll Roadtrip with Maynard and Guy Fieri. Sam is a wine/spirits guy, and they gave a lot of attention/props to Maynard's wine and pizza truck business. Then later, there was a one-on-one interview with Sam and Maynard, and it was odd at best. he wasn't rude, at all, but in the midst of Sammy's very masculine classic rock vibe, I got the sense Maynard was fucking with him a little bit.
I know that Sam ends almost every interview (at least with the people he's not already friends with) with "I think I know you now!" or something like that, and he ended his with Maynard with "I don't feel like I know you at all, but it was great, thank you!". The only time I can ever remember him saying that.
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After 10+ spins, It's a decent song. My thing is that in the absence
of a reasonable output, I became a huge fan of Soen and they
continue to blow me away. For my $, Martin Lopez comes up
with some of the most creative drum parts in rock over the last 10
years.
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Now Barnes and Noble shows out of stock. Target still has it, but what I saw at their website makes me a little more confused.
Tri-fold Softpack Video Brochure featuring: CD (79 minutes of music), 4" HD rechargeable screen with exclusive video footage, charging cable, 2 watt speaker, 36 page book + MP3 code (89 minutes of music).
So, the CD will cut 10 minutes of music? Adam said the record was 80 minutes. I have seen 85 in other places and now Target is giving this breakdown. Gotta love Tool not giving it to us straight.
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Now Barnes and Noble shows out of stock. Target still has it, but what I saw at their website makes me a little more confused.
Tri-fold Softpack Video Brochure featuring: CD (79 minutes of music), 4" HD rechargeable screen with exclusive video footage, charging cable, 2 watt speaker, 36 page book + MP3 code (89 minutes of music).
So, the CD will cut 10 minutes of music? Adam said the record was 80 minutes. I have seen 85 in other places and now Target is giving this breakdown. Gotta love Tool not giving it to us straight.
It could just be that the band, the label, the promotional people at the label, at the website designers might have all gotten/given different information. Even when we see the packaging, the information on the back/in the booklet might be slightly different than on the disc/download, so who KNOWS...until someone gets their hands on it! :lol
-Marc.
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Yeah, I don't expect any clarity until 8/30. Kudos to them for keeping us guessing in this day and age of leaks.
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So the new song hit the billboard hot 100 this week and set the record for the longest hot 100 song in history in doing so, as well as the first song over 10 minutes to chart
lol
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Album still showing as £79.99 on U.K. amazon so I have buckled and ordered from Canadian amazon. Even with international postage and handling, it works out £30 cheaper.
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So the new song hit the billboard hot 100 this week and set the record for the longest hot 100 song in history in doing so, as well as the first song over 10 minutes to chart
lol
finally, prog is mainstream now
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First review:
https://www.revolvermag.com/music/review-tools-fear-inoculum-masterpiece-be-dissected-years-come
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And the tracklistings:
Physical edition
01. Fear Inoculum
02. Pneuma
03. Invincible
04. Descending
05. Culling Voices
06. Chocolate Chip Trip
07. 7empest
Digital edition
01. Fear Inoculum
02. Pneuma
03. Litanie Contre La Peur
04. Invincible
05. Legion Inoculant
06. Descending
07. Culling Voices
08. Chocolate Chip Trip
09. 7empest
10. Mockingbeat
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Sounds kinda like the tracklist to a Tool parody album. Seems like they're going for this vibe.
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I think Chocolate Chip Trip sounds cool. :lol
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I think Chocolate Chip Trip sounds cool. :lol
Word! Send me on one of those!
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According to that review the only songs missing from the CD version are just segue tracks. You honestly might be getting the superior version of the album that way. :lol
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Agreed, I always do that in my MP3 versions of Tool albums 😂
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Agreed, I always do that in my MP3 versions of Tool albums 😂
I don't know. The segues on Lateralus work really well. I think the album wouldn't work as well without them.
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Why didn’t they just keep the segues on the cd version and put it on 2 discs? It’s not like they can’t afford it 😂
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I think Chocolate Chip Trip sounds cool. :lol
Yeah, I like this one too, but Legion Inoculant and Pneuma kinda rub me the wrong way. :lol
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A much more interesting review IMO. More solos and keyboards?!
https://metalinjection.net/reviews/tool-fear-inoculum-review
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And the tracklistings:
Physical edition
01. Fear Inoculum
02. Pneuma
03. Invincible
04. Descending
05. Culling Voices
06. Chocolate Chip Trip
07. 7empest
Digital edition
01. Fear Inoculum
02. Pneuma
03. Litanie Contre La Peur
04. Invincible
05. Legion Inoculant
06. Descending
07. Culling Voices
08. Chocolate Chip Trip
09. 7empest
10. Mockingbeat
Honestly most of these titles are absolutely terrible and seem like a parody of prog song titles.
Why is there a random French title? Litany Against Fear is a weird title even in English, and the random French translation doesn't help it. Maybe it'll have some sort of justification in the actual music.
Who thought 7empest was a good title? Like, I get the whole 7 + Septem + Tempest pun fest, but this looks like an early 2010 mediocre R&B song title. Septem would have been fine. Tempest would have been fine. 7 would have been fine. Just because pizza and chocolate are both good doesn't mean you should mix them.
Fear Inoculum kinda makes sense, but Legion Inoculant just sounds like pseudo intellectual gibberish. Is it an inoculant for a legion? Are you inoculating someone with a legion? Y'all got some 'splainin to do, because those just sound like two random words slapped together.
Pneuma is either a) using a random outdated music theory term without any care for the meaning or b) some random reference to Gnosticism.
Chocolate Chip Trip? Come on.
Invincible, Descending, Mockingbeat, and Culling Voices are good. Fear Inoculum is decent. I'm still excited for the music, and maybe when I actually hear the songs I'll warm up to some of the song titles (except probably 7empest and Chocolate Chip Trip), but I'm not gonna lie those song titles deflated me a little bit.
Also Fear Inoculum is a good Tool song. A bit by the numbers and ultimately it feels like it's building to something else that I haven't heard yet. MJK's performance on it is great, and Danny Carey is an octopus as usual
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I'm only a casual Tool fan, but I'm not sure what I'd be expecting if I was a hard core fan. it might be a parody - and I've already written that in his interview with Sammy Hagar, I thought Maynard was fucking with him pretty bad on everything that wasn't "wine" or "food" related - but it's fitting parody.
I'm just grateful that a band is putting some effort in. Even parody takes effort and thought.
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Pneuma is either a) using a random outdated music theory term without any care for the meaning or b) some random reference to Gnosticism.
Or any of the other possible meanings? Quoth the Google:
"(in Stoic thought) the vital spirit, soul, or creative force of a person." - philosophy
Pneuma (πνεῦμα) is an ancient Greek word for "breath", and in a religious context for "spirit" or "soul".[1][2] It has various technical meanings for medical writers and philosophers of classical antiquity, particularly in regard to physiology, and is also used in Greek translations of ruach רוח in the Hebrew Bible, and in the Greek New Testament. In classical philosophy, it is distinguishable from psyche (ψυχή), which originally meant "breath of life", but is regularly translated as "spirit" or most often "soul".[3] - wikipedia
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Pneuma is either a) using a random outdated music theory term without any care for the meaning or b) some random reference to Gnosticism.
Or any of the other possible meanings? Quoth the Google:
"(in Stoic thought) the vital spirit, soul, or creative force of a person." - philosophy
Pneuma (πνεῦμα) is an ancient Greek word for "breath", and in a religious context for "spirit" or "soul".[1][2] It has various technical meanings for medical writers and philosophers of classical antiquity, particularly in regard to physiology, and is also used in Greek translations of ruach רוח in the Hebrew Bible, and in the Greek New Testament. In classical philosophy, it is distinguishable from psyche (ψυχή), which originally meant "breath of life", but is regularly translated as "spirit" or most often "soul".[3] - wikipedia
Speaking of "putting in the effort". Nicely done.
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How do you pronounce 7empest? Is it just Tempest, or Sevenpest? Sempest? Confused.
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I'm gonna go with Tempest.
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I'm gonna go with Tempest.
That’s what I was thinkin. I think the 7 is supposed to represent a disfigured T.
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SeventhSon
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Sevenempest
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How do you pronounce 7empest? Is it just Tempest, or Sevenpest? Sempest? Confused.
it's likely "Tempest", but I'm forever going to call it "Seven-empest".
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Mike Tyson would call it The Thempetht.
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Pneuma is either a) using a random outdated music theory term without any care for the meaning or b) some random reference to Gnosticism.
Or any of the other possible meanings? Quoth the Google:
"(in Stoic thought) the vital spirit, soul, or creative force of a person." - philosophy
Pneuma (πνεῦμα) is an ancient Greek word for "breath", and in a religious context for "spirit" or "soul".[1][2] It has various technical meanings for medical writers and philosophers of classical antiquity, particularly in regard to physiology, and is also used in Greek translations of ruach רוח in the Hebrew Bible, and in the Greek New Testament. In classical philosophy, it is distinguishable from psyche (ψυχή), which originally meant "breath of life", but is regularly translated as "spirit" or most often "soul".[3] - wikipedia
That's true, and the main definition that's associated with Gnosticism iirc. But even with that, I still think it's pretentious and I still don't like the title.
Mike Tyson would call it The Thempetht.
This is officially now the correct pronunciation. I declare it to be so
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Pneuma is either a) using a random outdated music theory term without any care for the meaning or b) some random reference to Gnosticism.
Or any of the other possible meanings? Quoth the Google:
"(in Stoic thought) the vital spirit, soul, or creative force of a person." - philosophy
Pneuma (πνεῦμα) is an ancient Greek word for "breath", and in a religious context for "spirit" or "soul".[1][2] It has various technical meanings for medical writers and philosophers of classical antiquity, particularly in regard to physiology, and is also used in Greek translations of ruach רוח in the Hebrew Bible, and in the Greek New Testament. In classical philosophy, it is distinguishable from psyche (ψυχή), which originally meant "breath of life", but is regularly translated as "spirit" or most often "soul".[3] - wikipedia
That's true, and the main definition that's associated with Gnosticism iirc. But even with that, I still think it's pretentious and I still don't like the title.
Mike Tyson would call it The Thempetht.
This is officially now the correct pronunciation. I declare it to be so
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/TenderMadIrishdraughthorse-small.gif)
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:lol
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Pneuma is either a) using a random outdated music theory term without any care for the meaning or b) some random reference to Gnosticism.
Or any of the other possible meanings? Quoth the Google:
"(in Stoic thought) the vital spirit, soul, or creative force of a person." - philosophy
Pneuma (πνεῦμα) is an ancient Greek word for "breath", and in a religious context for "spirit" or "soul".[1][2] It has various technical meanings for medical writers and philosophers of classical antiquity, particularly in regard to physiology, and is also used in Greek translations of ruach רוח in the Hebrew Bible, and in the Greek New Testament. In classical philosophy, it is distinguishable from psyche (ψυχή), which originally meant "breath of life", but is regularly translated as "spirit" or most often "soul".[3] - wikipedia
That's true, and the main definition that's associated with Gnosticism iirc. But even with that, I still think it's pretentious and I still don't like the title.
Have you NEVER heard Tool?
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Pneuma is either a) using a random outdated music theory term without any care for the meaning or b) some random reference to Gnosticism.
Or any of the other possible meanings? Quoth the Google:
"(in Stoic thought) the vital spirit, soul, or creative force of a person." - philosophy
Pneuma (πνεῦμα) is an ancient Greek word for "breath", and in a religious context for "spirit" or "soul".[1][2] It has various technical meanings for medical writers and philosophers of classical antiquity, particularly in regard to physiology, and is also used in Greek translations of ruach רוח in the Hebrew Bible, and in the Greek New Testament. In classical philosophy, it is distinguishable from psyche (ψυχή), which originally meant "breath of life", but is regularly translated as "spirit" or most often "soul".[3] - wikipedia
That's true, and the main definition that's associated with Gnosticism iirc. But even with that, I still think it's pretentious and I still don't like the title.
Have you NEVER heard Tool?
I was just thinking the same thing :lol
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Honestly tho I somehow keep misreading The Thempetht as "The Trumpet", which at this point is an equally valid name
Pneuma is either a) using a random outdated music theory term without any care for the meaning or b) some random reference to Gnosticism.
Or any of the other possible meanings? Quoth the Google:
"(in Stoic thought) the vital spirit, soul, or creative force of a person." - philosophy
Pneuma (πνεῦμα) is an ancient Greek word for "breath", and in a religious context for "spirit" or "soul".[1][2] It has various technical meanings for medical writers and philosophers of classical antiquity, particularly in regard to physiology, and is also used in Greek translations of ruach רוח in the Hebrew Bible, and in the Greek New Testament. In classical philosophy, it is distinguishable from psyche (ψυχή), which originally meant "breath of life", but is regularly translated as "spirit" or most often "soul".[3] - wikipedia
That's true, and the main definition that's associated with Gnosticism iirc. But even with that, I still think it's pretentious and I still don't like the title.
Have you NEVER heard Tool?
Okay that is a fair point.
Altho I wonder how much of it is because of how seriously the fans take them. Like, they literally have a track that's just a slowed down recording of MJK squeezing one of his cats. Also a song called Hooker With a Penis. Maybe Tool was actually a meme band this entire time
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Honestly tho I somehow keep misreading The Thempetht as "The Trumpet", which at this point is an equally valid name
Pneuma is either a) using a random outdated music theory term without any care for the meaning or b) some random reference to Gnosticism.
Or any of the other possible meanings? Quoth the Google:
"(in Stoic thought) the vital spirit, soul, or creative force of a person." - philosophy
Pneuma (πνεῦμα) is an ancient Greek word for "breath", and in a religious context for "spirit" or "soul".[1][2] It has various technical meanings for medical writers and philosophers of classical antiquity, particularly in regard to physiology, and is also used in Greek translations of ruach רוח in the Hebrew Bible, and in the Greek New Testament. In classical philosophy, it is distinguishable from psyche (ψυχή), which originally meant "breath of life", but is regularly translated as "spirit" or most often "soul".[3] - wikipedia
That's true, and the main definition that's associated with Gnosticism iirc. But even with that, I still think it's pretentious and I still don't like the title.
Have you NEVER heard Tool?
Okay that is a fair point.
Altho I wonder how much of it is because of how seriously the fans take them. Like, they literally have a track that's just a slowed down recording of MJK squeezing one of his cats. Also a song called Hooker With a Penis. Maybe Tool was actually a meme band this entire time
It wouldn't surprise me if they came out and said they've been trolling us for the last 25 years.
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Next single is an Old Town Road remix, confirmed here folks
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I find it shocking how little the new song has grabbed me until now.
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For me, Tool has always been a band where their stuff always strikes me as well played and with a really cool vibe, but never had that little something that grabs me and makes me want to listen again.
Despite that, I checked out the new song and my impression was that, well, it was well played and had a really cool vibe, but didn't have that little something that grabbed me and made me want to listen again.
:( :(
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I've only listened to the new song once and it didn't really do much for me. I will wait for the album instead of repeat listenings of the song.
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I remember that The Grudge didn't really grab me until I had heard it quite a few times. Now I can't get enough of that song.
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LOVE The Grudge. That final 35 seconds is one of (if not the) favorite passages for me in their entire discography.
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Just checked how much the new album would cost here.
114,99 €.
No thanks. Of course those bells and whistles seem nice but in the end of the day, music's what matters. This should've been a flipping limited collectors' item, not the main release. I guess I stick to streaming the album then. Hopefully the vinyl version will be more reasonably priced.
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Just checked how much the new album would cost here.
114,99 €.
No thanks. Of course those bells and whistles seem nice but in the end of the day, music's what matters. This should've been a flipping limited collectors' item, not the main release. I guess I stick to streaming the album then. Hopefully the vinyl version will be more reasonably priced.
€80 on pre-order, €100 without pre-order for me. I can buy like 10 CDs for that cost. I'll pass.
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Just checked how much the new album would cost here.
114,99 €.
No thanks. Of course those bells and whistles seem nice but in the end of the day, music's what matters. This should've been a flipping limited collectors' item, not the main release. I guess I stick to streaming the album then. Hopefully the vinyl version will be more reasonably priced.
But how else can you beat the 3-D packaging of 10,000 days. Make the entire album package a video.
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It’s currently about €43 on Canadian amazon. Still expensive but better than what you guys are being quoted. You’ll have to pay postage and handling on top of that obviously.
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Just checked how much the new album would cost here.
114,99 €.
No thanks. Of course those bells and whistles seem nice but in the end of the day, music's what matters. This should've been a flipping limited collectors' item, not the main release. I guess I stick to streaming the album then. Hopefully the vinyl version will be more reasonably priced.
But how else can you beat the 3-D packaging of 10,000 days. Make the entire album package a video.
In 18 years when Tool releases their final album, "Kinetic Insight," you'll only be able to buy the version that comes as a human-sized holographic tesseract that the listener has to stand in the center of to hear the equations of science as music.
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Just checked how much the new album would cost here.
114,99 €.
No thanks. Of course those bells and whistles seem nice but in the end of the day, music's what matters. This should've been a flipping limited collectors' item, not the main release. I guess I stick to streaming the album then. Hopefully the vinyl version will be more reasonably priced.
But how else can you beat the 3-D packaging of 10,000 days. Make the entire album package a video.
In 18 years when Tool releases their final album, "Kinetic Insight," you'll only be able to buy the version that comes as a human-sized holographic tesseract that the listener has to stand in the center of to hear the equations of science as music.
This is probably not far off from the truth, including the album name. The only this is, if they made another album it would be much sooner rather than later. If we do ever get another album it will probably be in 2022 or 2023, no later.
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Tool's sixth and final album will come packaged with an airborne deadly hallucinogenic virus that will wipe out humanity, and cost roughly $90 for the standard CD edition
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Tool's sixth and final album will come packaged with an airborne deadly hallucinogenic virus that will wipe out humanity, and cost roughly $90 for the standard CD edition
OK, I LoL'd pretty good at that. :lol
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Sorry, this is only available as a download or a hyper-expensive limited edition CD? No standard CD release?
Brave choice, lads.
Still, could have been worse, they could have released The Astonishing... ;D
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Tool's sixth and final album will come packaged with an airborne deadly hallucinogenic virus that will wipe out humanity, and cost roughly $90 for the standard CD edition
I might buy 2 copies just to be sure.
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Sorry, this is only available as a download or a hyper-expensive limited edition CD? No standard CD release?
Brave choice, lads.
Still, could have been worse, they could have released The Astonishing... ;D
Then the NOMAC would actually have been a real moving drone.
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Never really got into Tool for some reason. I respect the musicianship and as a drummer I really like Danny Carey. The music kinda all sounds the same to me. Undertow came out when I was a sophomore in high school and I've been aware of their music since then. Hearing the new song, I was thinking that it sounds like the rest of their stuff.
Why do they take so long to release material?
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Why do they take so long to release material?
Because they're so successful (at least in America) that they don't need to release material frequently, and they don't want to.
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Is the title track really the opening track?
I really like that song and everything, but I think it would be better served a couple tracks deeper into the album. Songs like the The Grudge and Vicarious are quick and to the point, drawing you into the album. Fear is a slow burn.
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Is the title track really the opening track?
I really like that song and everything, but I think it would be better served a couple tracks deeper into the album. Songs like the The Grudge and Vicarious are quick and to the point, drawing you into the album. Fear is a slow burn.
apparently it is yes, but what are we to know (and judge) when we've only been given a chance to listen to that piece only? Well, it will unfold in a week's time from now.
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Is the title track really the opening track?
I really like that song and everything, but I think it would be better served a couple tracks deeper into the album. Songs like the The Grudge and Vicarious are quick and to the point, drawing you into the album. Fear is a slow burn.
Why should they need to follow the same formula though? It could just be a different way of starting a record.
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Already a week away. Hope I get my cd early. Or else I'll just stream it.
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I'm going to stream as I'll be on vacation when my cd comes.
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I'm going to stream as I'll be on vacation when my cd comes.
yeah I'll gladly take the Hi res download version, I'm sure it will be cheaper than 100$ (or the equivalent) and longer (87 minutes as opposed to 79, and 10 pieces on the album as opposed to 7)
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=56Cqbk9CJz8
Tool - Stinkfist/We Are Never Getting Back Together. Better than the one done for DT.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=56Cqbk9CJz8
Tool - Stinkfist/We Are Never Getting Back Together. Better than the one done for DT.
I can't believe how well this works... :|
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Unboxing of the new CD
https://www.facebook.com/ToolFansMexicoOficial/videos/961138510893630?s=517009568&v=e&sfns=mo
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Unboxing of the new CD
https://www.facebook.com/ToolFansMexicoOficial/videos/961138510893630?s=517009568&v=e&sfns=mo
I can't say I'm not going to get my $40 worth.
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Unboxing of the new CD
https://www.facebook.com/ToolFansMexicoOficial/videos/961138510893630?s=517009568&v=e&sfns=mo
That's some the wildest packaging I've ever seen. God damn
I haven't bought physical in over 10 years, but I might just have to get that.
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Apparently the new album has leaked. :facepalm:
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Apparently the new album has leaked. :facepalm:
Like Thanos, it was inevitable, especially when people were already getting their hands on copies.
-Marc.
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Apparently the new album has leaked. :facepalm:
As has every album for as long as I can remember.
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Apparently the new album has leaked. :facepalm:
It's only a week until release though so this actually isn't bad. There's no album that doesn't leak a week or two before release (sometimes more) unless we're talking indie artists who put their music up on bandcamp themselves. :P
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Dude... As much as I don't get Tool's music, their art has always blown my mind. That is one of the coolest packages I've ever seen for an album. Are they still using Alex Grey? It looks like it in spots.
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Unboxing of the new CD
https://www.facebook.com/ToolFansMexicoOficial/videos/961138510893630?s=517009568&v=e&sfns=mo
That's some the wildest packaging I've ever seen. God damn
I haven't bought physical in over 10 years, but I might just have to get that.
Good luck. The physical sold out pretty much everywhere it was available for pre-order. Unless they have more stock ready for the release date, I have a feeling this might be hard to come by. Heck, even as someone who got a pre-order in, I am not 100% confident I will actually get it.
As for the unboxing, that was quite the manhandling of an expensive product. I was afraid the dude was going to rip things.
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Yea it was like a neanderthal was opening the package.
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Dammit; that made me uncomfortable to watch. "Kid, easy with the slip case... don't pound the buttons... watch the corners... ARRRRGHHHHH!" I had to stop. :)
Cool package though.
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Unboxing of the new CD
https://www.facebook.com/ToolFansMexicoOficial/videos/961138510893630?s=517009568&v=e&sfns=mo
Fuck, if I was this kids Dad I would give him a clip around the earhole and never let him touch it again. Kids these days have no respect or value for money. The way he handled this thing was hard to watch.
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Unboxing of the new CD
https://www.facebook.com/ToolFansMexicoOficial/videos/961138510893630?s=517009568&v=e&sfns=mo
Fuck, if I was this kids Dad I would give him a clip around the earhole and never let him touch it again. Kids these days have no respect or value for money. The way he handled this thing was hard to watch.
Yeah, no kidding.
After seeing the packaging, I really want this physical copy now. I'm now disappointed I didn't preorder it.... :(
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god that's SO extra ::)
i just want a CD and a booklet. that's all i'm asking for
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The packaging looks great, the handling of it did not! I'm glad I preordered the physical edition. Hopefully Barnes and Noble deliver, never ordered anything through their site before.
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Felt tortured just by watching the handling of the cd package.
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According to the title translation the kid unboxing the CD is Adams son. Is that true?
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According to the title translation the kid unboxing the CD is Adams son. Is that true?
True
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According to the title translation the kid unboxing the CD is Adams son. Is that true?
Kid probably chucks it and opens a new copy everytime he wants to listen to it. I thought it was strange a punter got it before the 30th.
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According to the title translation the kid unboxing the CD is Adams son. Is that true?
True
I think it's debatable. This vid is pretty interesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIwR3dN6Id0
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Reviews are mixed so far. A couple are raving about it while
others say It's nothing new or exciting. Soon enough I'll make
my own judgement.
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So I couldn't resist and downloaded the leak since I won't be home to enjoy the full release when it hits my door. So far I'm enjoying it comes off very dense much like tools other albums. Mainly lateralus and 10,000 days. I will say Danny Carey is a monster as always. He continuously is one of the most unique drummers in modern music.
Disclaimer: this post was written 5 drinks in on a flight
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Huh I didn't even know this had a title let alone a fucking release date. Interesting.
The power went out in my house last week while I was drinking and getting ready to watch a movie. Thank Crom my phone was fully charged so I decided to continue drinking and listen to some Tool. I forgot how good Laterallus is. I'll be checking out this new album fo show.
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For those who missed ordering Tool's album. Available at LaserCD.
https://www.lasercd.com/cd/fear-inoculum
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For those who missed ordering Tool's album. Available at LaserCD.
https://www.lasercd.com/cd/fear-inoculum
Beautiful:
(https://i.ibb.co/W00Rzwy/68599510-666756137164396-530113923421044736-o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m00Pywq)
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For those who missed ordering Tool's album. Available at LaserCD.
https://www.lasercd.com/cd/fear-inoculum
I get an access denied message. I had searched on there sometime back but couldn't find any results.
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For those who missed ordering Tool's album. Available at LaserCD.
https://www.lasercd.com/cd/fear-inoculum
I get an access denied message. I had searched on there sometime back but couldn't find any results.
It was there because the link did work. Now it seems not to be. Guessing they had a rush on it and their stock is gone now too.
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I think the link may go live again either later today or tomorrow. If I search for Tool on LaserCD, I also get the access denied message.
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For those who missed ordering Tool's album. Available at LaserCD.
https://www.lasercd.com/cd/fear-inoculum
I get an access denied message. I had searched on there sometime back but couldn't find any results.
It was there because the link did work. Now it seems not to be. Guessing they had a rush on it and their stock is gone now too.
You got me all excited there for a second. :yeahright
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For those who missed ordering Tool's album. Available at LaserCD.
https://www.lasercd.com/cd/fear-inoculum
Beautiful:
(https://i.ibb.co/W00Rzwy/68599510-666756137164396-530113923421044736-o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m00Pywq)
Is that your set?
I wonder when Barnes and Noble will ship out the pre-order. On the order status page it says to expect delivery by Sept 6.
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My Amazon pre-order has been shipped. If I am lucky, I'll get it tomorrow or Saturday. I guess this is really happening then!
-Marc.
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If you want a 30 second preview of the songs, you can go on japanese amazon since its friday there now. It was nearly impossible to get any sense of the songs though, lol.
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If anyone comes across a decent-quality image of the cover art without text, could you do us a favor and post it here? It's annoying that all the ones that have been posted on the internet so far have text, since like with all the previous albums, that's just a sticker / sleeve on the physical edition.
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Tomorrow is the thread title gonna change to "New Album v. Who Gives a Crap?" :neverusethis:
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If you have a VPN and set it to japan, You can listen to it on spotify right now. You just need to switch your spotify account to japan as well.
I will save formal thoughts for tomorrow, but I will say wow. This is a whole different level. I thoroughly enjoy what I have heard, but its way more introspective and slow burn than previous albums.
And I will leave it at that until tomorrow.
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B&N has now set my order status to processing. The arrival date still lists it as Sept 6. I guess it's a waiting game for now. And if the hurricane hits us next week it might be a longer wait.
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Review of the album by Fritzinger resident of the forum:
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/album-reviews/tool-fear-inoculum/
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For me, Tool has always been a band where their stuff always strikes me as well played and with a really cool vibe, but never had that little something that grabs me and makes me want to listen again.
Despite that, I checked out the new song and my impression was that, well, it was well played and had a really cool vibe, but didn't have that little something that grabbed me and made me want to listen again.
:( :(
For the most part, I'm the same way, but Lateralus was different. There's something special about that album and for me it's leagues apart from the rest.
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Review of the album by Fritzinger resident of the forum:
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/album-reviews/tool-fear-inoculum/
I was just gonna post that Jorge, thanks ;)
Can't wait what everybody has to say about this album. I LOVE IT. Can't get enough of it. I've spun it 15-16 times at least.
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Judging by early reviews, this is Tool's most polarizing album yet. Either people love it or absolutely hate it. Some of the bad reviews make me laugh and wonder why these people are listening to Tool in the first place. This type of music is obviously not for them. :lol
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Got a shipping confirmation from B & N and am supposed to get the CD on Tuesday. Sweet.
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Judging by early reviews, this is Tool's most polarizing album yet. Either people love it or absolutely hate it. Some of the bad reviews make me laugh and wonder why these people are listening to Tool in the first place. This type of music is obviously not for them. :lol
I honestly pay little to no attention to album reviews. A lot of these people consider themselves music critic but their bias clearly shows.
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Plus if I remember correctly, 10,000 days also had a very similar reaction polarizing a huge base of the hardcore fans, some who thought the album was a fake release and there was another release impending...
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Loudwire it’s streaminf the full album
https://loudwire.com/listen-tool-fear-inoculum-album/
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It just popped up on Google Play Music. Time to dive in! :metal :hefdaddy
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it's been on spotify for 37 minutes but i had to listen to leprous first
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it's been on spotify for 37 minutes but i had to listen to leprous first
I suppose I should clarify. I just noticed it popped up :P
On Pneuma right now. To the people that have complained about the production....It's damn near perfect! Does everyone want everything brickwalled these days or what? Or are these reviewers listening on crappy speakers/amps/headphones....? There are so many awesome little details in this so far.
The second half of Pneuma is phenomenal! Danny Carey is an absolute beast!
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Nice album. Maybe could’ve been made sooner by a few years, but loved the first listen.
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I have absolutely no problem with Litanie contre la Peur. Not sure what the big uproar is. As far as Tool segue/interlude tracks it's far from the most offensive.
That breakdown a little after the halfway point on Invincible is GODLY!
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i'm posting a livetweet twitter thread (https://twitter.com/Panda_Tunes/status/1167291221116477440) to curb some enthusiasm but basically my point i covered; it sounds like an improv jam i'd have played on a garageband synth patch from 10 years ago
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i'm posting a livetweet twitter thread (https://twitter.com/Panda_Tunes/status/1167291221116477440) to curb some enthusiasm but basically my point i covered; it sounds like an improv jam i'd have played on a garageband synth patch from 10 years ago
I guess I can kind of see some of your points you make on the songs, although I don't think I agree on any of them... :lol
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i'm done now. won't be listening to it again. 7empest is pretty good, Culling Voices is alright, rest feels pretty throwaway
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Obviously a lot to take in at first listen, but i'm really enjoying it!
Tempest(Not calling it 7empest), Pneuma and Invincible are early favorites.
Not sure if this worth the over a decade wait since 10000 Days, but its a great album no question!
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Listened to it once. 7empest is great! As is the title track and (the second half of) Pneuma, but I couldn't really focus during the middle part, picked a bad time to listen to it. Anyway I'm pretty happy with it, but as with all Tool albums I probably won't become obsessed with the whole album, but probably a couple songs will stick with me.
Leprous definitely outdid Tool today :metal
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New album has shipped. Cant wait until I get home wednesday to check it out.
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I'm so happy. I didn't listen to anything beforehand and the cd should arrive today but I listened to it on Tidal in full hq this morning in my fully treated studio with the lights off. I always remember where I first heard a piece of music so I wanted this to be special.
The production is out of this world, Barresi has placed everything in the sound space perfectly and I'm so glad there's the customary dynamics in the music. New mixing benchmark for me.
I love the songs, I have no problems at all with the softer aspect to it and lyrically there's more than a few parts that really speak to me. There's a pervasive feeling of melancholy that I like in it. Maynards approach to the singing fits with the music the rest of the band wrote so I'm not surprised he's not going for the Ticks&Leeches stuff since that wouldn't sound cohesive with the rest of the instruments. I like A Perfect Circle too so him going for that vibe a bit doesn't bother me.
13 years is a long wait and I honestly have gone through so many phases of what to expect that I didn't really know what I would get or would want to get. All I know is that I'm really, really inspired and happy after hearing it.
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Two full listens so far,
I could see people not liking this album, particularly people that really like the style of the older albums. To each their own. Fear is the next evolution of Tool in a long progression of changes. And its amazing how far they have come.
I love introspective tool and this album feels like disposition/reflection, but for a full album. It’s a very slow burn, which again I really like and for this moment in my life, this is exactly what I want.
This is a deep and beautiful album. An album that I can put on and just sit there and think. Its like someone is messaging my brain and helping me work through the problems in my mind. That means a lot to me and I really dig it.
As far as the transition songs go, I have deleted them. They just screw with the flow of the album and its long enough as it is without having to sit through random noise in-between great tracks. My digital album now reflects the physical release, which didn't bother including them either.
Besides that, I think I love this album.
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"a warrior struggling to remain relevant"
indeed, what a boring shitshow
lucky me that I wasn't expecting anything
:biggrin:
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A friend of mine just wrote:
“Just got the tool promo and it has three more tracks that act as transitions. I guess I have to reevaluate my opinion on it.
The 7-track version shouldn't exist. One of the transitions in the 10-track version references another track very subtly, so I'd argue that this is the only way to hear it. It makes the whole thing feel more cohesive and connected as an epic journey.”
So, if you have only the 7 version tracks try getting/listening to the 10 tracks version.
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Good point Raven and Just to clarify something about extra tracks since I didn't originally know this:
Physical version Digital version
1. Fear Inoculum 1. Fear Inoculum
2. Pneuma 2. Pneuma
3. Invincible 3. Litanie contre la peur
4. Descending 4. Invincible
5. Culling Voices 5. Legion Inoculant
6. Chocolate Chip Trip 6. Descending
7. 7empest 7. Culling Voices
8. Chocolate Chip Trip
9. 7empest
10. Mockingbeat
The digital version includes the 3 extra bolded tracks, so if you definitely want those included in the song playlist, also pick up the digital version.
*Edit- They might be available on the physical edition. I only have the digital, so I'm not really sure.
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But when you buy the physical version, it comes with a free download of the digital version, doesn't it?
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That's a good question. I'm actually not sure.
I only have the digital version
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I’m loving this album. A bit more on the jamming side than the structured side of composition, but very well done! 7empest is incredible and Descending is second best. Chocolate seems like a drum solo from Billy Cobham’s Spectrum, which is really nice!
Sorry, but the interludes songs this time seem just trolling.
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I am not sure that every physical copy will include the download option.
But I just checked Amazon and while not available there another version of the CD with a song that doesn’t appear on the digital and the “other physical copy”
(https://i.ibb.co/SthG8gK/8785-E8-C5-B66-E-4-E13-8987-F13-D74219086.png) (https://ibb.co/QP2tRV6)
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For those interested, Barnes and Noble has it in stock, if you pick it up in store. I just called a local store and they have it. You just can't buy it online.
I'm on my way to get it now.
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But when you buy the physical version, it comes with a free download of the digital version, doesn't it?
Yes, it comes with a download card.
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But when you buy the physical version, it comes with a free download of the digital version, doesn't it?
Yes, it comes with a download card.
MP3 only though IIRC. I'm currently listening to the Hires download version. I won't comment on it all right now.
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As long as it's MP3 320, that wouldn't be the worst. Obviously, a FLAC option would be better, but 320 isn't as bad as some people claim it is.
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Picked up the deluxe edition from Target. This thing looks amazing. As a boxset junkie this is a great package.
Having never heard any snippets before I really enjoyed it.
Will have to do more listening.
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(https://i.imgur.com/3A7YQaD.jpg)
Just in case anyone needs this today.
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Intrigued by that Recusant Ad Infinitum track. There's a Reddit thread about it. It's apparently a 6 min 42 sec song.
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Well..Tool US tour.
Tickets are on-sale Sept. 6 at 10 am local time, with a limited number of tickets will be available to Tool Army members on Sept. 4. Tool Army information, as well as VIP package details, can be found via Toolband.com.
October 13 Sacramento, CA Aftershock Festival
October 15 Denver, CO Pepsi Center
October 18 Salt Lake City, UT Vivint Smart Home Arena
October 20 Los Angeles, CA Staples Center
October 21 Los Angeles, CA Staples Center
October 23 Glendale, AZ Gila River Arena
October 25 San Antonio, TX AT&T Center
October 27 Houston, TX Toyota Center
October 29 Tulsa, OK BOK Center
October 31 Milwaukee, WI Fiserv Forum
November 2 Indianapolis, IN Banker’s Life Fieldhouse
November 3 Chicago, IL United Center
November 5 Cincinnati, OH US Bank Arena
November 6 Cleveland, OH Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse
November 8 Pittsburgh, PA PPG Paints Arena
November 9 Detroit, MI Little Caesars Arena
November 11 Toronto, ON Scotiabank Arena
November 12 Toronto, ON Scotiabank Arena
November 14 Boston, MA TD Garden
November 16 Newark, NJ Prudential Center
November 18 Philadelphia, PA Wells Fargo Center
November 19 Brooklyn, NY Barclay’s Center
November 21 Uncasville, CT Mohegan Sun Casino Arena
November 22 Atlantic City, NJ Boardwalk Hall
November 24 Raleigh, NC PNC Arena
November 25 Washington, DC Capitol One Arena
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Has Tool got something against Seattle lately? The last time they did a summer tour, they did Portland and Spokane but skipped Seattle. Now they are not coming to the Northwest at all. Not sure what’s going on there.
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Dang nothing close by. I was hoping at least Atlanta. NC will be a very long drive during Thanksgiving week.
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Got a shipping confirmation from B & N and am supposed to get the CD on Tuesday. Sweet.
Got mine too, but mine says I should have it tomorrow. Glad I jumped on it.
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Tool goes from not playing in Chicago in 10 years, to playing them 3 times in 2 years lol. Not complaining in the slightest, I’m there!!
Gonna be starting my first listen of the new album in about an hour, on the way to my camping trip. Can’t wait!
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Just finished my first listen through, not bad. I'll give it a couple more spins before I form a better opinion, but there's definitely some cool stuff here.
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I'm really liking this album. It has less nonsense than some of their previous work. 7empest is the best of the bunch without a doubt.
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I think it's time for a new thread title.
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Tomorrow is the thread title gonna change to "New Album v. Who Gives a Crap?" :neverusethis:
i proposed this yet nobody acknowledged it :(
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Mine won't be delivered till next week from Target. Boo, I could've just went to the store today, Oh well. I can wait, I'll just Spotify it for now.
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I'm really liking this album. It has less nonsense than some of their previous work. 7empest is the best of the bunch without a doubt.
Full disclosure, I haven't heard it yet, but Seven-empest seems to be a very polarizing work. I seem to read either "Holy shit is that awesome!" or "Holy shit, WTF is that?" and nothing in between.
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I'm really liking this album. It has less nonsense than some of their previous work. 7empest is the best of the bunch without a doubt.
Full disclosure, I haven't heard it yet, but Seven-empest seems to be a very polarizing work. I seem to read either "Holy shit is that awesome!" or "Holy shit, WTF is that?" and nothing in between.
So, regular internet nowadays?
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tempest is nothing like the rest of the album which makes it the one interesting song on the album
of course, Wheel did it better half a year ago
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Tomorrow is the thread title gonna change to "New Album v. Who Gives a Crap?" :neverusethis:
i proposed this yet nobody acknowledged it :(
Successfully acknowledged. ;D
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OMG this is just too funny.
https://thehardtimes.net/music/new-tool-album-sounds-exactly-the-same-played-backwards/?fbclid=IwAR1WLsnjs7FTsYpjvtOQGcIhrwlU15Ivy0WMPqKlm4R7OypZBG7DuOI-ua4
“It’s genius: it’s the soundtrack to this collective loop of human suffering, like we’re all giving birth to our own mothers, you know?” said Westcott. “Tool is always pushing the envelope in one way or another — whether it’s through edgy lyrics about fisting your friends, or making fans wait years for progressive metal that sounds like a Rush cover band took too much ketamine and threw up all over a Led Zeppelin cover band. It’s everything I wanted it to be.”
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Tour days announced
https://loudwire.com/tool-2019-tour/
I will be going for sure
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Tour days announced
https://loudwire.com/tool-2019-tour/
I will be going for sure
See the last post on the previous page.
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tempest is nothing like the rest of the album which makes it the one interesting song on the album
of course, Wheel did it better half a year ago
Hehe. That Wheel record is the best Tool record since Lateralus. :corn
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tempest is nothing like the rest of the album which makes it the one interesting song on the album
of course, Wheel did it better half a year ago
Hehe. That Wheel record is the best Tool record since Lateralus. :corn
Did a search for Wheel (band) at Wiki and got nothing. Searched Google for Wheel Metal Band and got a band that hasn't released anything since 2013.
So would you care to share with the rest of the class? ;)
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Never heard of wheel until just now, but I am assuming the album in question is Moving Backwards?
(https://www.angrymetalguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/wheel-cover-300x300.jpeg)
A band that gives me tool vibes is Ten Years, specifically their album the autumn effect
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Chocolate Chip Trip is like a more intense Merkaba. Imagine the people's reactions who are listening to the album on LSD or Shrooms, when they get to this track.
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Never heard of wheel until just now, but I am assuming the album in question is Moving Backwards?
(https://www.angrymetalguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/wheel-cover-300x300.jpeg)
A band that gives me tool vibes is Ten Years, specifically their album the autumn effect
Hey jammindude, this is the album in question. Worth checking out. Solid all the way through.
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Ok, so, I gave Fear Inoculum a listen and I like it (but who am I to judge, I'm not too familar with Tool too much, although I own all their records)
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Got mine in the mail over a couple hours ago. The packaging is WILD. Hard to believe this exists, with its screen and video presentation and all. The booklet has some great artwork and is well put together. Was this package worth the $39.93 I spent? Ehhh, possibly. I'm not sure how many times I'll be enjoying the video, but it's the music that matters most. For me, this is a slow burn album, but from the time I've had to listen to the music, I'm digging it. Worth the 13 year wait? Ehhh, kind of, but YMMV, depending on your patience and tastes.
-Marc.
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Just finished my first listen. So much to take in and it’s so dense. 7empest and Descending stuck out the most to me. Gotta dig deeper with this one though for sure!
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My first impressions are measured, but I'm liking what I'm hearing so far. My only complaint is how samey and homogeneous a lot of the album tends to sound, but maybe with further listens, the subtle differences between each track will become more apparent.
Descending and 7empest are the standouts for me so far. I really enjoy how restrained the band's approach is on this album overall though. Definitely more if a slow burn type of experience.
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First listen at work and it's not that positive,but I was distracted and not ready for it. Pneuma is too much similar to Schism in various moments...
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First impressions from this morning:
Honestly, the album is decent. Not great, not terrible. Just decent. There are some really great moments here and there, but imo a lot of the longer songs overstay their welcome. Musically, there's not enough variety in it to really distinguish the songs from each other or their earlier work. Something I frequently thought throughout listening to the album that "this sounds a bit like Reflection/The Grudge/Vicarious/whatever". There's nothing in here that's particularly unpleasant, but it's just too much of the same thing at times, even by Tool's standards. The songs often blend into each other, and many of the songs just don't really stand out all that much. I can't recall a second of Culling Voices or Invincible.
As I mentioned earlier, a lot of the songs go on for far too long as well. This is one of the prime examples (alongside Black Clouds & Silver Linings) of egregious padding in prog music. A lot of the songs feel stretched out to 10+ minutes rather than organically at that length. There's a lot of great 6-8 minute songs in here. Pneuma would be one of their best songs if it didn't just drag through the instrumental section. There's a lot of great ideas in there, but imo it's cluttered and long so nothing gets to stand out, which is a problem that persists throughout the album.
There is a second, related, problem with this album: it doesn't work as well as an album. There's a sense of flow and somewhat overarching structure of mood in their earlier works that isn't found on Fear Inoculum. Everything sounds too similar and fills a similar function on the album. In an album full of lengthy epics, are any of them really that epic? On their own, the songs will likely stand better than the album does. As it stands, most of the album is a lengthy blur and there is (again) not enough variety to make the album a cohesive, enjoyable, and memorable experience.
I will say, however, that the one stand out throughout this whole album was Danny Carey. I'm not a huge drum guy by any stretch of the imagination, but his fantastic drum and percussion parts are what carries the albums at times. He's on the top of his game, even if the rest of the music sounds like 80min of Typical Tool (TM). MJK is also a fantastic presence on the album and his newer vocal style is welcome if you ask me, even if the lyrics are a little pretentious (even by Tool standards). On that note, I STILL hate most of the song titles for being pretentious even after having context for them.
Finally, I'm just going to say that the transition tracks don't really add anything and they're mostly completely uninteresting. This also includes Chocolate Chip Trip, which definitely exists. They break up the monotony of 10min Tool song after 10min Tool song somewhat, but they don't go far enough in doing so. They also make up half the songs on the album, which is a problem since they're mostly filler.
Currently on my second listen, so we'll see if anything changes in my opinion. So far it's a hard 6/10, maybe a 7/10 if it ages well. It has some great moments, but it's overall too padded and too long to be really great.
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After first listen, Pneuma and Culling Voices stood out the most.
I would describe it is as Third Eye, Pushit, D/R/T, The Patient, Intension all in one album. I'm enjoying Danny's use of the Mandala Pad.
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I am not sure that every physical copy will include the download option.
But I just checked Amazon and while not available there another version of the CD with a song that doesn’t appear on the digital and the “other physical copy”
(https://i.ibb.co/SthG8gK/8785-E8-C5-B66-E-4-E13-8987-F13-D74219086.png) (https://ibb.co/QP2tRV6)
Recusant Ad Infinitum is the the video included in the special edition and is called 'Recusant Ad Infinitum', it's not an audio track per se.!!
For those that want to hear it, I found it online here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3gKPVXr6jA
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After a day of follow up listens, this is definitely Tool: The Soundtrack. Good stuff but I hope they enjoyed the last decade not making music for us.
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I can see how some are disappointed.
It's Tool as they are. Meaning, it's Tool.
I don't know what people were expecting as Tool has their own sound.
I will say though, it's like this album is a suite. Like one album meant to be listened to as a whole, interludes included.
Chocolate Chip Trip is a good example of their humor and yet spiritual aspect. As i have said, it's an Intense version of Merkaba (a live track from their Salival EP (Don't get me started on Spotify saying entire Discography without including that EP)) which I love Danny's Mandala pads.
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The only interlude (well outro really) that I could argue for being left off is Mockingbeat. The other 2 interludes work just fine in the flow of the album.
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I'm only on Invincible but holy crap this album is really great so far. Maybe people expected something insane after the long wait but to me this is living up to what I expect from a Tool album. :)
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I'm only on Invincible but holy crap this album is really great so far. Maybe people expected something insane after the long wait but to me this is living up to what I expect from a Tool album. :)
I didn't expect anything (because I didn't know what to expect, they are not DT or any band where I have expectations to be met and so, everything I got is what I see as a "bonus" as it were) , all I can say is it's music.
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Haven’t listen to it yet, have a 3 hour drive to Upstate NY later and will play it then. My fiancée said it’s a great album so I’ll see.
Also, gonna have to fight for those tickets next week. I hope to grab a pair of tickets to the Newark show.
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As a first impression I like this. It's Tool sticking to their Tool standards. Sure I expected a little bit more heavyness, but Aenima was more than 20 years ago and so was Lateralus (Almost); this is a natural progression from 10000 Days and, save from Vicarious, Wings for Marie and the title track, it seems more mature than 10000 Days imo. I loved Descending even more than the live versions I've heard so far, and 7empest is the true highlight of the album, I see it as an instant classic.
I need more time to get into the rest of the songs. Culling Voices sounds real good, too. In general I'm overall pleased with the album, it's all I wanted to hear after 13 years of waiting. I wanted new Tool songs, new Tool songs is what I got.
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My copy arrived today from B&N. It is in excellent condition. It is quite the presentation. I had feared by the manhandling video that the sleeves would be overly tight but, to my surprise, they are just perfectly packed. I have dealt with sleeve types like this where you need a jackhammer to get the contents out but this set is perfect. I watched the video on the built in screen and it has some really cool animation. Downloaded my mp3 copy so I can get the transition tracks. They are 320 kbps.
Haven't had a chance to actually listen. Have yard work. Just taking a break right now then back to the yard.
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This album is the very definition of “a grower, not a shower.”
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This album is the very definition of “a grower, not a shower.”
I'd agree for now and this might not be a bad thing in and of itself, some of my personal favourites by other bands were "growers" (every Peter Gabriel album as an example and some by Kate Bush too)
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Amazing album! Wow!
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On my first listen now. It's Tool. Not disliking anything yet. It's kind of chill Tool so far.
Like someone else mentioned, Pneuma definitely sounds like other Tool. Sort of like they ripped themselves off, unless it's some Part 2 or continuation or something. Who knows, liking it so far.
Woah, it is totally Schism. It's just a mild altering of the melody. Interesting.
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On my first listen now. It's Tool. Not disliking anything yet. It's kind of chill Tool so far.
Like someone else mentioned, Pneuma definitely sounds like other Tool. Sort of like they ripped themselves off, unless it's some Part 2 or continuation or something. Who knows, liking it so far.
Woah, it is totally Schism. It's just a mild altering of the melody. Interesting.
Ah I thought one of the songs sounded familiar.
I had the same initial impressions of the album. Sounds like Tool. I think because the band has such a distinctive sound and writing style (Adam Jones' usual bag of tricks) it makes everything sound kind of the same. But after a few listens, the tracks have started to stand out on their own for me.
7empest definitely sounds like something from the earlier albums which is a good thing, I think.
Carey's drumming during that middle (I think) part of Invincible is sexcellent.
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After a few listens this album is amazing. Its a lot more chill than other albums and Dana Carey's drumming is out of this world, it's what really stood out even on the first listen.
I like the production of the album for the most part but there are parts here and there where there is clipping and it really annoys me when listening on headphones. Current favorite might be Tempest (hate referring to it with a 7)
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Wow, Tempest!
Just finished my first listen to the whole album. Love it. Tempest just blew me away. Some insane playing from the boys.
Danny is on fire on this album. Dude is 58 and just doesn't stop.
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How about
Still, even with an album...Who gives a crap?
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I haven't listened to this yet and to be honest not really in a rush to. I'll get around to it. I might wait another 13 years to listen until the next one so I'll get 2 full albums at once. :metal
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Reflections after several listens.
It's a hypnotic, immersive experience, that, when listened to in the proper mood and setting,
takes you on quite a journey. That's all anyone can ask of music.
Having said that, I concur with others that the majority of the album recalls cadences and feelings
of everything in their past--to the point that I feel my brain saying..."I know the pieces fit - I know the pieces fit."
The production is killer and it elevates the overall experience.
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Continuing to listen to the new Tool album. I'll say this. If it's ever been for pseudo-intellectuals, musically speaking, the band will out them on this one, musically it feels like a massive leap in complexity from their other albums.
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7empest could be my favorite Tool song.
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It's a hypnotic, immersive experience, that, when listened to in the proper mood and setting,
takes you on quite a journey. That's all anyone can ask of music.
The production is killer and it elevates the overall experience.
These are pretty much my sentiments on the album. I do like the CD version more than the digital complete version.
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I really hope I score a great ticket to NC. I wonder if joining the tool army is worth it.
Also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EShM-EOAlj4
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Also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EShM-EOAlj4
I've come across people like that for sure :lol
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7empest could be my favorite Tool song.
I could get there with time.
I had to go out yesterday so I took the CD with me and immediately flipped it to track 7, which is Tempest. I was completely dialed into the music and was probably paying more attention to that then the road. Next thing I know my CD changer is moving to the next disc. I couldn't believe that nearly 16 minutes had passed. That's the sign of a great song.
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7empest (don't like the use of 7 there BTW) is definitely one of the most direct awesome songs on the album. Fear Inoculum and 7empest are the two songs I "get" but still have every reason to grow more. The other songs I know a bit but need much more time to digest and stand out as tracks. Currently they melt together a bit, which ofc is normal for an album with 6 tracks clocking over 10 minutes ;D
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So I know this is premature but what do you guys think? Is this the last tool album? I personally hope not but they a re getting older and if they dont put a new album out soon chances are slim for another one all together.
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Its possible that it could be their last. Danny Carey is almost 60 and if they follow the last timeline to make another one, then it will be cutting it close.
Or they could troll us even more and release the next one like 2 years from now :lol
If it was their last, I would be happy with the albums they delivered to us. I love pretty much all of them.
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Personally, I think the best case scenario is one more album. I don't see more than that.
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If they spiral back, the next one will be in 8 years. ;)
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Fall your announced with Killing Joke.
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I'll be in the DC area around that time and am wondering if I should get tickets for that date.
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I was going to skip the tour for financial reasons but then they go an announce Killing Joke as support. I have never seen the Joke and it's the original lineup. I really want to go now. I may give it a shot for tickets on Friday. I know it's a long-shot. Ticketbastard will sell to the brokers first.
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I really hope they put Lateralus back in the setlist on this tour. I get why they shelved it, but it’s time!
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why did they shelve it?
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why did they shelve it?
Probably just to give it some rest.
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I like the first four songs (not including the segues) quite a bit. Invincible struck me as too disorganized and repetitive at first, but I've warmed up to it. Culling Voices is pretty boring, and I'm not getting the love for Sevenempest at all. Did we really need five minutes of guitar soloing in the middle? The beginning and ending are better but it's not really enough to salvage the song for me.
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https://loudwire.com/maynard-james-keenan-new-tool-album-fantastic-eight-years-ago
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Just went through my mail after getting back from vacation and opened up m FI box and it really is nice. I thought the screen was going to be poor quality but everything is put together really nicely.
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Dammit. Now my CD is delayed until the 18th.
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We are excited to announce that due to overwhelming demand for the FEAR INOCULUM deluxe CD package, a small additional quantity is being made. We are offering a very limited pre-order for this final run of deluxe CD packages, which will be available exclusively via store.tooband.com. For US orders, this offer is available NOW for today only (until 11:59pm ET). For International orders, this offer is available for tomorrow only starting at 1:00pm ET (until 11:59pm ET). Those who pre-order will receive a download of the digital album featuring several bonus tracks. The CD packages should be ready to ship at the end of September.
https://store.toolband.com/cart
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So I've been listening to this for almost a month (I got a promo version a few weeks back.
At first, like most people I suspect, I was pretty meh on the single. But within the context of the album, I quickly grew to love it.
As for the album itself, I listened, then I listened, and then I listened some more. I didn't 'love' it at first, but everytime Tempest was over, I found myself wanting to just start over. With 15 or so listens under my belt, I realize now that while I probably wouldn't have been drooling over this ten or fifteen years ago, Fear Inoculum is exactly the kind of album 40-year-old me didn't know I was looking for. And because of that, I suspect I will listen to it far more in the coming years than the Lateralus re-tread I'd been expecting.
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We are excited to announce that due to overwhelming demand for the FEAR INOCULUM deluxe CD package, a small additional quantity is being made. We are offering a very limited pre-order for this final run of deluxe CD packages, which will be available exclusively via store.tooband.com. For US orders, this offer is available NOW for today only (until 11:59pm ET). For International orders, this offer is available for tomorrow only starting at 1:00pm ET (until 11:59pm ET). Those who pre-order will receive a download of the digital album featuring several bonus tracks. The CD packages should be ready to ship at the end of September.
https://store.toolband.com/cart
It seems that after the deluxe packages are over, they will sell a regular version, right?
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Who knows with Tool what or when they release things. Apparently Adam posted on Instagram that more artwork is coming and people are taking that as a hint about the Vinyl release.
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Just got floor 9th row seats for the Raleigh show.
I cannot wait. My body is ready.
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Got caught at work and couldn't get tickets for the NJ or Brooklyn show. Oh well!
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That was the best experience I have ever had getting tickets for something like this. I was able to get into the queue before the onsale and once in, which was like 10 minutes after onsale, I was able to hand pick my seats without issue.
Nice! Seeing Killing Joke and Tool in Chicago. I can't wait.
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Got pretty good tickets for the San Antonio show. But man, 70 bucks in TM fees. Fucking outrageous.
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I have no idea how I got such great tickets to the DC show. 15 rows from the stage. Right in the middle. 150 + 20 for 170 total.
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I have no idea how I got such great tickets to the DC show. 15 rows from the stage. Right in the middle. 150 + 20 for 170 total.
Did you go through Ticketmaster? Just $20 in fees?
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Ticketmaster hit me with about $37 total in fees for 2 tickets.
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I have no idea how I got such great tickets to the DC show. 15 rows from the stage. Right in the middle. 150 + 20 for 170 total.
Did you go through Ticketmaster? Just $20 in fees?
Yeah bought them through Ticketmaster. I'm surprised the fees were that low.
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Yea the queue system was awesome. I wonder how well it works preventing scalpers. Fees weren't crazy either. I also appreciate the no credit card presales. Whenever a cc presales exists I always have the cc that doesnt work for the presales:lol
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Ok seats for $150 + $25 in fees. God damn concerts have gotten expensive :P
But oh well. I really like the new album so I don't mind shelling out the dough
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Second Denver show added: Oct. 16 at the Pepsi Center. Tickets on-sale Friday, Sept. 13 at 10 am mountain via altitudetickets.com
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Ok seats for $150 + $25 in fees. God damn concerts have gotten expensive :P
But oh well. I really like the new album so I don't mind shelling out the dough
Well, for bands like Tool, Iron Maiden, and Metallica, concerts have gotten expensive. For me, so far, I've gone to 17 shows, this year, and for 10 of those shows, I've paid less than $30.00 on a ticket. Sure, some of those are seats and only three of those were GA, but I had a good view for all of those shows.
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So I get to see Dream Theater in my home town! On November 11th, front row centre!!! and then seeing Tool in Toronto the next day on the 12th :metal :metal :metal :metal I think this is a good time to take a day or two off from work
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The Lost in Vegas guys did a reaction video to Pneuma and they were absolutely floored by the track. This is the one track I just cannot wait to hear live, I'm going to melt when/if they play this.
I saw the length of the video and thought I would check out just the first couple of mins but man these guys' reactions are such a joy to watch I ended up watching the whole 38 mins of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-23__zILRgc
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Pneuma might be my favorite track. That part where it drops and gets heavy :heart
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Pneuma might be my favorite track. That part where it drops and gets heavy :heart
it's my current favorite. Culling Voices is a close second.
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The album just gets better with every listen. Pneuma is just phenomenal. :hefdaddy
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Pneuma might be my favorite track. That part where it drops and gets heavy :heart
I said this elsewhere here but this album has really got to me. Absolutely didn't expect it to because, well, I'm no fan of Tool's output. But this is a very good album and Pneuma is utterly brilliant. For me, this album has ended up being so much more interesting than Distance Over Time (an album I was ready to insert in the top five of DT's output on release. It's fallen off considerably since then, alas).
The production is fabulous. Highly recommend listening on a good pair of headphones.
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Pneuma is fantastic! Needed a focused listen to understand it but damn, those build ups and riffs. Danny is so freaking good! The song somehow reminds me of Schism.
BTW this reaction video is fantastic. It perfectly shows those time you suddenly "get" Tool ;D :
https://youtu.be/-23__zILRgc
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After the first couple listens I said 7empest is my favorite. But now Descending is threatening to replace it. Such a great song.
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I had zero expectations for this album. I'm a casual Tool fan and love some of their work.
I say this trying not to be over-the-top, and, also, completely free of any substance influence :)
If you are a person who can free your mind and, for lack of better terminology, reach a zen
state of mind--and you allow yourself to listen to this album front to back, fully immersed
in it, it's almost a spiritual experience. I'm totally blown away by how deeply impactful it is.
A musical masterwork.
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Pneuma is fantastic! Needed a focused listen to understand it but damn, those build ups and riffs. Danny is so freaking good! The song somehow reminds me of Schism.
BTW this reaction video is fantastic. It perfectly shows those time you suddenly "get" Tool ;D :
https://youtu.be/-23__zILRgc
Goosebumps watching that video. They're feeling it like I have been. DEEP!!
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BTW this reaction video is fantastic. It perfectly shows those time you suddenly "get" Tool ;D :
https://youtu.be/-23__zILRgc (https://youtu.be/-23__zILRgc)
You mean the link I just posted a few posts above you ;D ....
In any case, I loved their reaction.
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BTW this reaction video is fantastic. It perfectly shows those time you suddenly "get" Tool ;D :
https://youtu.be/-23__zILRgc (https://youtu.be/-23__zILRgc)
You mean the link I just posted a few posts above you ;D ....
In any case, I loved their reaction.
Haha damit, and that was of course even why Pneuma was discussed :facepalm:
I think it sounded like they will listen through all songs on the album. Can't wait for 7empest! 😁
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This album is fantastic man, FANTASTIC!!!
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https://loudwire.com/tool-fear-inoculum-no-1-billboard/
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Good for Tool, now lets hope for another album :lol
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I wish I could buy a standard CD. At some point I hope they
consider it.
The songs from this album are constantly running through
my head.
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https://loudwire.com/tool-fear-inoculum-no-1-billboard/
I was reading how Taylor Swift's fans are upset that tool took the #1 spot from her :laugh:
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https://loudwire.com/tool-fear-inoculum-no-1-billboard/
I was reading how Taylor Swift's fans are upset that tool took the #1 spot from her :laugh:
Yeah and they think that Tool is a ‘new’ band 😂
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To be fair to them a lot of TS fans were born between 10k Days and FI :lol
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To be fair to them a lot of TS fans were born between 10k Days and FI :lol
Wow, that makes me feel old now.
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Been listening to Fear Inoculum almost non stop so decided to give the album a break and revisited their entire discography, that was a lot of fun. I used to barely listen to Undertow since it's so different from their other albums and having listened to the band from Aenima onwards, felt nice to hear their earlier sound.
Now taking a break from Tool to listen to some A Perfect Circle and had completely forgot they released a new album last year. Man what an amazing album that is as well.
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Yeah I didn't expect to like this album this much, and also to not listen to it as much as I do, given my usual dislike of longer-based tracks these days. Periphery destroyed that recently with Reptile, and now Tool has destroyed it even more with an entire album of awesomeness where each track is longer than I usually like them to be. Granted, I definitely find myself wanting to skip to my favorite parts but I end up listening to the entirety. Really fantastic album. I think the standout track for me is Culling Voices, followed closely by Invincible. The only track that I don't like is Mockingbeat, which I find completely annoying, and I know it's one of those "extras" given it's not even on the physical album, but there's a reason they put it on there at all, and I cannot find that reason. :lol Even Chocolate Chip Trip is really cool, but Mockingbeat...I can't. Other than that, this is an epic album on all levels, and I hate using that word, but I feel I have to given that they've actually done what I'm pretty sure even the most direhard of fans had a hard time clinging to: not just release an album, but a fantastic one that can safely sit next to the rest of their discography.
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Culling Voices is an original. And I feel Tool fans weren't ready for it.
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TOOL - Pneuma live Aftershock Festival 2019 (first time live) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcZPosboRqQ)
The back and forth riff between the bass and guitar is pretty epic. It's a bit confusing when the guitar starts to play a diffrent line at 4:05. :hefdaddy
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TOOL - Pneuma live Aftershock Festival 2019 (first time live) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcZPosboRqQ)
The back and forth riff between the bass and guitar is pretty epic. It's a bit confusing when the guitar starts to play a diffrent line at 4:05. :hefdaddy
I have never seen Maynard do what he did toward the end of the video... Coming to the front of the stage and, you know, communicating with the audience that way.
Tool are becoming more human.. maybe we'll get a live DVD after all :lol
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TOOL - Pneuma live Aftershock Festival 2019 (first time live) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcZPosboRqQ)
The back and forth riff between the bass and guitar is pretty epic. It's a bit confusing when the guitar starts to play a diffrent line at 4:05. :hefdaddy
I have never seen Maynard do what he did toward the end of the video... Coming to the front of the stage and, you know, communicating with the audience that way.
Tool are becoming more human.. maybe we'll get a live DVD after all :lol
And maybe we will get 1 more studio album before the universe is destroyed in heat death.
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Almost 2 months later and FI has aged very well for me. I listen to this thing all the time.
All the other Tool albums, I kind of need to be in the right mood to listen to, but with the latest album I can put it on almost anytime.
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This cover of 46 & 2 popped up in my YouTube feed, if you like brass in your rock covers, definitely check it out!
https://youtu.be/3GCZYsBBpf0
-Marc.
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I have never seen Maynard do what he did toward the end of the video... Coming to the front of the stage and, you know, communicating with the audience that way.
A big reason why I have little desire to go to a Tool concert. Im not a fan of his style of performing from the back and not engaging with the people in any way. Makes me a feel a disconnect.
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I have never seen Maynard do what he did toward the end of the video... Coming to the front of the stage and, you know, communicating with the audience that way.
A big reason why I have little desire to go to a Tool concert. Im not a fan of his style of performing from the back and not engaging with the people in any way. Makes me a feel a disconnect.
Same with me. I've only seen Tool once back in 2010 and I was so disappointed that he was tucked behind the shadows. Zero audience interaction and when the last song was done, poof he was gone.
And this was made twice as shitty since I saw A perfect circle in 2000 where he was dead center front of the stage, fully lighted and heavily interacting with the audience and it sure as shit made a difference.
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In 2007 the band minus Maynard were on the stage sitting there for a good minute during Intermission. It was right after they finished playing 10,000 Days and the entire venue was lit up with lighters, looked like a candlelight vigil.
I don't mind if Maynard doesn't go out as he's not the only reason I go to see Tool.
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Probably should listen to this album one day. Not putting out a basic physical copy really irked me to be honest.
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Probably should listen to this album one day. Not putting out a basic physical copy really irked me to be honest.
I hear ya. I waited two months to see if the CD would come down in price...nope. It's more now than when it was released. I finally broke down and bought a digital copy and burned my own CD.
Great, great album! Pneuma very well may be the best thing they've ever done.
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burned my own CD.
In one thread we are talking about getting rid of CDs and you are here burning your own :lol that feels so old school to me, I can't remember the last time I even saw a blank CD to burn when I used to buy stacks of 50 of them.
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I haven't touched a physical CD since maybe 2009. I can't even remember. :lol
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burned my own CD.
In one thread we are talking about getting rid of CDs and you are here burning your own :lol that feels so old school to me, I can't remember the last time I even saw a blank CD to burn when I used to buy stacks of 50 of them.
I'm old. My car is old. The radio in my car is old (only plays CD's). We still all rock though.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/1999-2003_Mercedes-Benz_CLK_320_%28A_208%29_Elegance_convertible_%282009-10-29%29_01.jpg)
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Maynard is disconnected from the audience, but I thought he still had this commanding presence up there, maybe it was the riot gear he was wearing :lol
I've never understood why he is at the back of the stage and not lit up. I think the whole idea of him wanting the spotlight to be on the musicians is kind of a lame excuse, I still was looking and Maynard, I didn't pay anymore attention to the music. It just seems like a lazy excuse.
Also, on the past topic of disappointment at Tool shows, at the St Paul show 2 years ago, they played the first set of 10 songs, then took a 15 minute intermission. Then, normally Danny comes out and does a drum solo and they do 4 more songs after that. After the first set for St. Paul, they took the 15 minute intermission, Danny came out and did the solo and then Tool played for 8 minutes and the show was done. They cut 2 songs and just awkwardly ended the show and took a bow. It was so weird, it was really anticlimactic. They took a 15 minute intermission only to play for 8 minutes. I don't think anything happened, but the lights came up and everyone looked at each other and went "That's it?"
Super weird.
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Just got floor 9th row seats for the Raleigh show.
I cannot wait. My body is ready.
I actually just found out today that I will be getting to attend that show in my company's suite.
:hat
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Hef that is awesome! Company perk I'm guessing? All I've been able to attend is a minor league baseball game at my companies suite lol.
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Hef that is awesome! Company perk I'm guessing? All I've been able to attend is a minor league baseball game at my companies suite lol.
Yep, company perk. More people wanted to attend than they had room for, so I was on a wait list, but someone dropped out, so I got my spot.
I've been able to attend other things there before as well (NC State basketball games, WWE shows). Fun, fun, fun.
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burned my own CD.
In one thread we are talking about getting rid of CDs and you are here burning your own :lol that feels so old school to me, I can't remember the last time I even saw a blank CD to burn when I used to buy stacks of 50 of them.
I'm old. My car is old. The radio in my car is old (only plays CD's). We still all rock though.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/1999-2003_Mercedes-Benz_CLK_320_%28A_208%29_Elegance_convertible_%282009-10-29%29_01.jpg)
Nice, just thought the juxtaposition was funny between convos on DTF. I cleaned my basement and found my old cd case of my burned CDs for my car from high school. Good memories of making discs like "power metal" "80s hair metal" and "best of" whoever I was enjoying at the moment.
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Hef that is awesome! Company perk I'm guessing? All I've been able to attend is a minor league baseball game at my companies suite lol.
Yep, company perk. More people wanted to attend than they had room for, so I was on a wait list, but someone dropped out, so I got my spot.
I've been able to attend other things there before as well (NC State basketball games, WWE shows). Fun, fun, fun.
Nice :tup
Well if you have time before or after the show let me know. I'll be in Raleigh around 3pm and I'll be staying the night there after the show so we can meet up.
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Hef that is awesome! Company perk I'm guessing? All I've been able to attend is a minor league baseball game at my companies suite lol.
Yep, company perk. More people wanted to attend than they had room for, so I was on a wait list, but someone dropped out, so I got my spot.
I've been able to attend other things there before as well (NC State basketball games, WWE shows). Fun, fun, fun.
Nice :tup
Well if you have time before or after the show let me know. I'll be in Raleigh around 3pm and I'll be staying the night there after the show so we can meet up.
Cool. I'll check my schedule (meaning, of course, I will ask my wife if she has something planned for me/us).
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I'm not sure if there has been another run of the new album in its physical format but I went window shopping and at the local music store (JB) I see about 5 copies of Fear Inocolum sitting there. What a surprise. Has a staggering price tag of $150!!! The store was having 20% of cd's so I just purchased it.
Still haven't listened to it but the packaging is beautiful. Wonderful booklet a nice download of the album too. $120 is absolutely crazy but since I can afford it, I'm happy picking it up. Just have to get into a Tool mood to get into the album.
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Goddamn that's a hell of a markup! I do love the packaging, I don't buy any cd's anymore but I'm happy to have this in my collection.
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I'm not sure if there has been another run of the new album in its physical format but I went window shopping and at the local music store (JB) I see about 5 copies of Fear Inocolum sitting there. What a surprise. Has a staggering price tag of $150!!! The store was having 20% of cd's so I just purchased it.
Still haven't listened to it but the packaging is beautiful. Wonderful booklet a nice download of the album too. $120 is absolutely crazy but since I can afford it, I'm happy picking it up. Just have to get into a Tool mood to get into the album.
What?! I didn't even pay that much for mine.
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Yeah I don't know what the going cost was but this is a special occasion and one of those instances I couldn't leave without it. The 20% off really sold it also.
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I'm not sure if there has been another run of the new album in its physical format but I went window shopping and at the local music store (JB) I see about 5 copies of Fear Inocolum sitting there. What a surprise. Has a staggering price tag of $150!!! The store was having 20% of cd's so I just purchased it.
Still haven't listened to it but the packaging is beautiful. Wonderful booklet a nice download of the album too. $120 is absolutely crazy but since I can afford it, I'm happy picking it up. Just have to get into a Tool mood to get into the album.
There was the initial pressing which sold out generally by the time it was released. The band then did a special second pressing but it had to be ordered via their website. To my knowledge, that's it.
However, Amazon is showing it as in stock and selling for $50. Not sure what the deal is.
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I'm not sure if there has been another run of the new album in its physical format but I went window shopping and at the local music store (JB) I see about 5 copies of Fear Inocolum sitting there. What a surprise. Has a staggering price tag of $150!!! The store was having 20% of cd's so I just purchased it.
Still haven't listened to it but the packaging is beautiful. Wonderful booklet a nice download of the album too. $120 is absolutely crazy but since I can afford it, I'm happy picking it up. Just have to get into a Tool mood to get into the album.
There was the initial pressing which sold out generally by the time it was released. The band then did a special second pressing but it had to be ordered via their website. To my knowledge, that's it.
However, Amazon is showing it as in stock and selling for $50. Not sure what the deal is.
https://www.amazon.com/Fear-Inoculum-TOOL/dp/B07VGTYTBF/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Tool+Fear+Inoculum&qid=1573340552&sr=8-1
Wow, sure enough, it's in stock, and sold by Amazon for $49.98 USD. Amazing, I thought it would have been completely sold out by now! I'm still glad I pre-ordered when I did, when Amazon had it down to $37.67 before tax.
It's a great album, but is it worth more than $100? Maybe it will be in a few years, but given that no less than 24 sellers are selling it for less than $100 on Amazon alone probably means it isn't worth that much quite yet. The only upside to buying it in a brick-and-mortar store is that you get to see the product in your hands and inspect it for damages. To me, as a collector of many things (albums, figures, movies/BDs), that's the one huge down-side to ordering online: you can't inspect the product yourself.
-Marc.
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Thanks for the tip. Just bought it. They lowered the price to $37.11 lol.
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Thanks for the tip. Just bought it. They lowered the price to $37.11 lol.
Oh man, 11 cents cheaper than I got it! So jealous!
-Marc.
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Looks like I got well ripped off. But I don't really care. I never thought I'd get a copy so the experience of seeing this instore and paying for it and taking it home the old shool way makes me a happy camper. Luckily, I can very well afford it, so it's no issue.
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Thanks for the tip. Just bought it. They lowered the price to $37.11 lol.
Oh man, 11 cents cheaper than I got it! So jealous!
-Marc.
I thought you bought it for 49.99. Didn't mean to be an ass. But I'm glad I read your post because I striked out on the initial run on both Amazon and Tool's website.
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Looks like I got well ripped off. But I don't really care. I never thought I'd get a copy so the experience of seeing this instore and paying for it and taking it home the old shool way makes me a happy camper. Luckily, I can very well afford it, so it's no issue.
Man, depends on your location. Don't know about the Australian prices but in our record store it's still like $120. I really like the album but this is way too much for me to drop on this record.
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I mean even if you get it on a site like Amazon, you're still going to have to pay a pretty penny for shipping costs to Australia. I don't think if the costs would reach over $100.00 including tax and shipping, but that seems a bit too excessive for an album, unless the artwork and certain intricacies in the package can be really worthwhile to the fans.
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Looks like I got well ripped off. But I don't really care. I never thought I'd get a copy so the experience of seeing this instore and paying for it and taking it home the old shool way makes me a happy camper. Luckily, I can very well afford it, so it's no issue.
Man, depends on your location. Don't know about the Australian prices but in our record store it's still like $120. I really like the album but this is way too much for me to drop on this record.
I've gone with the 24 bit download version of the album. Significantly cheaper (about 17 €), about 10 minutes longer (includes 3 extra pieces, 87 minutes long) and it sounds splendid. (and it saves shelf space too, which is a factor given that me and my father both own close to 5000 albums altogether) Just so you know and if you can play 24 bit audio, then by all means go for that.
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If any of you mangs are planning to see Tool and you're one of these people who absolutely must use their phone during concerts...beware :lol
https://www.radio.com/music/rock/tool-to-eject-fans-who-violate-concert-cell-phone-policy
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If any of you mangs are planning to see Tool and you're one of these people who absolutely must use their phone during concerts...beware :lol
https://www.radio.com/music/rock/tool-to-eject-fans-who-violate-concert-cell-phone-policy
I was at the Chicago show and they weren't messing around with this. Postings everywhere and several pre-show announcements.
When I saw them at the Allstate Arena a few years ago it was similar. The camera nazi's were out in force. All night long I was dealing with ushers shining flashlights on people and telling them to stop. It was super annoying. I guess raising the stakes to one strike and your out sets a stronger precedent.
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If any of you mangs are planning to see Tool and you're one of these people who absolutely must use their phone during concerts...beware :lol
https://www.radio.com/music/rock/tool-to-eject-fans-who-violate-concert-cell-phone-policy
I was at the Chicago show and they weren't messing around with this. Postings everywhere and several pre-show announcements.
When I saw them at the Allstate Arena a few years ago it was similar. The camera nazi's were out in force. All night long I was dealing with ushers shining flashlights on people and telling them to stop. It was super annoying. I guess raising the stakes to one strike and your out sets a stronger precedent.
I was at the same 2 shows and I can confirm this. Although on this tour Maynard is allowing filming for the last song only.
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If any of you mangs are planning to see Tool and you're one of these people who absolutely must use their phone during concerts...beware :lol
https://www.radio.com/music/rock/tool-to-eject-fans-who-violate-concert-cell-phone-policy
I was at the Chicago show and they weren't messing around with this. Postings everywhere and several pre-show announcements.
When I saw them at the Allstate Arena a few years ago it was similar. The camera nazi's were out in force. All night long I was dealing with ushers shining flashlights on people and telling them to stop. It was super annoying. I guess raising the stakes to one strike and your out sets a stronger precedent.
I was at the same 2 shows and I can confirm this. Although on this tour Maynard is allowing filming for the last song only.
I saw that one some setlists on setlist.fm, it would have a line that said (Maynard allowed phones)
I don't mind, the days of me filiming a bunch of the show is over. I usually take a pic when I get to the venue, where I'm sitting, and what the stage looks like. I wonder if they wanted to use those green phone bags this tour.
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I've heard about this and another reason not to go to a Tool concert. I think the local news spoke of 100+ being kicked out of the last local Tool show some years ago. They are actually playing here this weekend and I have no desire to go. What does Maynard care? He's in the back anyway. I guess him letting usage during the last song is some sort of leniency from his end, but it's such a no fun scene IMO when the band is dictating how you enjoy the show. Same with Dream Theater. When the ushers are out, it's a poor experience. Id rather have people taking video than the flashlights and ushers.
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A "no phone"-policy actually sounds amazing, would probably get me to go to more concerts honestly.
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A "no phone"-policy actually sounds amazing, would probably get me to go to more concerts honestly.
It doesn't really bother me, filming has gotten really bad at some shows I've been through where I'm trying to see the concert through the multiple lenses of peoples cell phone cameras.
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Well, Tool is one of those bands that seem to have spent a lot of thought on what they want the shows to look / feel like, similar to Amenra for example. I could understand that they want to preserve that mood they try to create. I'm in the camp of people that don't care if someone takes out their phone for an occasional photo or short video, but it's way harder to control that than a complete ban, so to speak. I think most agree that it's not fun to stand behind a person who wants to videotape 80-100% of the concert (I've seen this before, honestly)
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Security at the DT show in San Antonio was very tight. They did allowed pictures though. No videos.
I do like this policy. Not sure why would you want to experience the show in a small screen after paying $100 plus dollars to see them....
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One of the reasons I tried to get to the front row for the most shows this year. Stood in the back at that one Amorphis gig and all I could see was a sea of phones in the air. I'm pretty happy with this policy, even if it means I won't be able to take an occasional picture.
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I've heard about this and another reason not to go to a Tool concert. I think the local news spoke of 100+ being kicked out of the last local Tool show some years ago. They are actually playing here this weekend and I have no desire to go. What does Maynard care? He's in the back anyway. I guess him letting usage during the last song is some sort of leniency from his end, but it's such a no fun scene IMO when the band is dictating how you enjoy the show. Same with Dream Theater. When the ushers are out, it's a poor experience. Id rather have people taking video than the flashlights and ushers.
Sucks for you then. I find that thinking funny. I can't film or take a picture so i won't go?! Im there to see the band and hear the music.
I can see how phones can be distracting for the band. They want to see peoples faces, reactions, and eyes, it makes a connection. Kind of hard to do when all you see is mainly phones.
The Aristocrats did the same thing at our local venue Launchpad, not big at all. Bryan Beller even explained why they made that decision. They want people to enjoy the show, in the moment. He said you can take a quick picture, no recording though (one guy was and Bryan made his roadie guy let the person know, he took the sign and put it up to his phone and face which was funny).
I'm finding myself actually not taking vids or pics as much anymore. It feels good to just watch the show and look at everything. Some shows I enjoy watching from the back.
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I'm finding myself actually not taking vids or pics as much anymore. It feels good to just watch the show and look at everything. Some shows I enjoy watching from the back.
Agree with this. At most, I might take a picture of the stage and 1 or 2 pictures during the show, but I could do without it. I remember for the 2016 I&W and beyond tour, JLB said something about using phones, and how he much rather people put their phones away and experience the show as is.
However, I do understand that taking pictures and videos means a lot for people who don't get to see a band as often or don't have the opportunity to go to a concert in general.
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I've heard about this and another reason not to go to a Tool concert. I think the local news spoke of 100+ being kicked out of the last local Tool show some years ago. They are actually playing here this weekend and I have no desire to go. What does Maynard care? He's in the back anyway. I guess him letting usage during the last song is some sort of leniency from his end, but it's such a no fun scene IMO when the band is dictating how you enjoy the show. Same with Dream Theater. When the ushers are out, it's a poor experience. Id rather have people taking video than the flashlights and ushers.
Sucks for you then. I find that thinking funny. I can't film or take a picture so i won't go?! Im there to see the band and hear the music.
I can see how phones can be distracting for the band. They want to see peoples faces, reactions, and eyes, it makes a connection. Kind of hard to do when all you see is mainly phones.
That's not the reason not to go, just one of many not to bother with a Tool show. First most being I haven't truly enjoyed their music in 20 years (but I haven't even attempted to listen in the last 10 or so). But I don't like the idea of someone trying to tell me how to enjoy a show. It's also an arena tour, so no one's phone is in your way unless you are on the floor. I do get that point though, and for people in the pit to be annoyed by a phone in your way is legit. No issue there. I went to a small show in DC a few weeks ago for a new band and they asked no video be put online, didn't care if you took some but just don't share it because they wanted their shows to be unique and only known to people who went. I think that's kind of foolish, but at the same time, I respect it. Tool just comes off as well, tools, when they try to put these rules and then enforce them to a point where it's hurting the experience more so than what they were trying to stop. I just don't like that attitude. And this is combined with Maynard being in the back. Clearly not feeling the vibe of "They want to see peoples faces, reactions, and eyes, it makes a connection" I'd feel better about their decision if this actually was the case.
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I don't really listen to Tool; I've heard some songs over the years, but I don't care all that much for 'em. However, I decided on a whim to try out Fear Inoculum today. It's a lot better than I thought it'd be, actually. I've only heard each song once, so these are just initial impressions, but I think my song rankings would go like this:
1. 7empest (Great)
2. Fear Inoculum (Great)
3. Descending (Good)
4. Pnuema (Good)
5. Chocolate Chip Trip (Good)
6. Invincible (Good)
7. Culling Voices (Decent)
8. Litanie contre la peur (Decent)
9. Mockingbeat (Mediocre)
10. Legion Inoculant (Mediocre)
Aside from Legion Inoculant actually making my head hurt, and Mockingbeat being... noise... This was overall a pretty good experience! I doubt I'd ever check out the rest of their discography (their previous stuff all just sounds the same to me) but FI is good enough that I'd definitely listen to it again and again.
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That's not the reason not to go, just one of many not to bother with a Tool show. First most being I haven't truly enjoyed their music in 20 years (but I haven't even attempted to listen in the last 10 or so). But I don't like the idea of someone trying to tell me how to enjoy a show. It's also an arena tour, so no one's phone is in your way unless you are on the floor. I do get that point though, and for people in the pit to be annoyed by a phone in your way is legit. No issue there. I went to a small show in DC a few weeks ago for a new band and they asked no video be put online, didn't care if you took some but just don't share it because they wanted their shows to be unique and only known to people who went. I think that's kind of foolish, but at the same time, I respect it. Tool just comes off as well, tools, when they try to put these rules and then enforce them to a point where it's hurting the experience more so than what they were trying to stop. I just don't like that attitude. And this is combined with Maynard being in the back. Clearly not feeling the vibe of "They want to see peoples faces, reactions, and eyes, it makes a connection" I'd feel better about their decision if this actually was the case.
Buying a ticket to a concert does not give you the right to do whatever you want.
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Kev, it's stupid to do this to fans. DT should cut the crap as well.
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Kev, it's stupid to do this to fans. DT should cut the crap as well.
Well, in a sense, it is like putting the toothpaste back in the tube, as many fans feel they are entitled to do whatever they want at concerts and will throw a major fit if they can't spend 90% of the show glued to their phone, but if a band/artists says no, then let them know you are dissatisfied by not going. I have lost track at how many times I have had my view of the band impaired at concerts by nimrods holding their phone up, and if this gets less people to do it, I am in favor of it.
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Well the band isn't doing that for your sake. They think I'm an artist, I demand your attention.
If that were the case bands would ban anyone over 6 feet tall. Those assholes are worse than phones. :lol
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I am only 5' 10 1/2", so I can get on board with that. :lol :lol
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:lol
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Well the band isn't doing that for your sake. They think I'm an artist, I demand your attention.
If that were the case bands would ban anyone over 6 feet tall. Those assholes are worse than phones. :lol
Sucks when they won't move when theirs a clear spot next to them I can't get to unless he moves.
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https://smarturl.it/TOOLFIEXB
"An expanded book edition of Fear Inoculum will be released on Dec. 13, with a pre-order available now: https://smarturl.it/TOOLFIEXB.
The new iteration of Fear Inoculum includes 5 x 3D lenticular cards with exclusive graphics, an expanded 56 page booklet with additional never-before-seen art, a download of the groundbreaking immersive visual experience (video), “Recusant Ad Infinitum,” and a CD."
It's going for $34.98 on Amazon right now. I knew this would happen...do I really need 2 versions of the same album? Hmmm...
-Marc.
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That's not the reason not to go, just one of many not to bother with a Tool show. First most being I haven't truly enjoyed their music in 20 years (but I haven't even attempted to listen in the last 10 or so). But I don't like the idea of someone trying to tell me how to enjoy a show. It's also an arena tour, so no one's phone is in your way unless you are on the floor. I do get that point though, and for people in the pit to be annoyed by a phone in your way is legit. No issue there. I went to a small show in DC a few weeks ago for a new band and they asked no video be put online, didn't care if you took some but just don't share it because they wanted their shows to be unique and only known to people who went. I think that's kind of foolish, but at the same time, I respect it. Tool just comes off as well, tools, when they try to put these rules and then enforce them to a point where it's hurting the experience more so than what they were trying to stop. I just don't like that attitude. And this is combined with Maynard being in the back. Clearly not feeling the vibe of "They want to see peoples faces, reactions, and eyes, it makes a connection" I'd feel better about their decision if this actually was the case.
Buying a ticket to a concert does not give you the right to do whatever you want.
And hence why I'm not buying one for their show this weekend in NJ. It's not the right environment for me. Either way, no one said "do whatever you want" It's about enjoying the show how I want to view it within my own confines of my seat.
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And hence why I'm not buying one for their show this weekend in NJ. It's not the right environment for me. Either way, no one said "do whatever you want" It's about enjoying the show how I want to view it within my own confines of my seat.
I get that, but if the artist says no to something specific, your ticket does not give the right to do it anyway just because you consider it part of your enjoyment.
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https://smarturl.it/TOOLFIEXB
"An expanded book edition of Fear Inoculum will be released on Dec. 13, with a pre-order available now: https://smarturl.it/TOOLFIEXB.
The new iteration of Fear Inoculum includes 5 x 3D lenticular cards with exclusive graphics, an expanded 56 page booklet with additional never-before-seen art, a download of the groundbreaking immersive visual experience (video), “Recusant Ad Infinitum,” and a CD."
It's going for $34.98 on Amazon right now. I knew this would happen...do I really need 2 versions of the same album? Hmmm...
-Marc.
This is such a dick move :lol
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https://smarturl.it/TOOLFIEXB
"An expanded book edition of Fear Inoculum will be released on Dec. 13, with a pre-order available now: https://smarturl.it/TOOLFIEXB.
The new iteration of Fear Inoculum includes 5 x 3D lenticular cards with exclusive graphics, an expanded 56 page booklet with additional never-before-seen art, a download of the groundbreaking immersive visual experience (video), “Recusant Ad Infinitum,” and a CD."
It's going for $34.98 on Amazon right now. I knew this would happen...do I really need 2 versions of the same album? Hmmm...
-Marc.
This is such a dick move :lol
In sweden it is about 1/3rd of the price of the previous version, might have to preorder it.
Still about 3 times a normal CD though.
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I'll have to wait for the vinyl edition.. I don't even have a CD player in my apartment.
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https://smarturl.it/TOOLFIEXB (https://smarturl.it/TOOLFIEXB)
"An expanded book edition of Fear Inoculum will be released on Dec. 13, with a pre-order available now: https://smarturl.it/TOOLFIEXB (https://smarturl.it/TOOLFIEXB).
The new iteration of Fear Inoculum includes 5 x 3D lenticular cards with exclusive graphics, an expanded 56 page booklet with additional never-before-seen art, a download of the groundbreaking immersive visual experience (video), “Recusant Ad Infinitum,” and a CD."
It's going for $34.98 on Amazon right now. I knew this would happen...do I really need 2 versions of the same album? Hmmm...
-Marc.
Such a dick move.... And pre-ordered.
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Looks like they also announced additional tour dates. I might be able to make that Atlanta date in end of January. Fingers crossed!
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I preordered the dick move CD today....
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https://smarturl.it/TOOLFIEXB
"An expanded book edition of Fear Inoculum will be released on Dec. 13, with a pre-order available now: https://smarturl.it/TOOLFIEXB.
The new iteration of Fear Inoculum includes 5 x 3D lenticular cards with exclusive graphics, an expanded 56 page booklet with additional never-before-seen art, a download of the groundbreaking immersive visual experience (video), “Recusant Ad Infinitum,” and a CD."
It's going for $34.98 on Amazon right now. I knew this would happen...do I really need 2 versions of the same album? Hmmm...
-Marc.
I was happy spending the money on the first edition just 5 days ago. Now......not so much.
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Waiting paid off. Still, it's more than I have ever
paid for a CD but in this case it's worth it.
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I haven't listened to this yet and to be honest not really in a rush to. I'll get around to it. I might wait another 13 years to listen until the next one so I'll get 2 full albums at once. :metal
I'm on my first listen in the car and just finished Descending. I actually fucking love it so far. Some of the tribal like rhythms are just insane and the production is amazing. I never really expected much heaviness but I'm satisfied so far.
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I haven't listened to this yet and to be honest not really in a rush to. I'll get around to it. I might wait another 13 years to listen until the next one so I'll get 2 full albums at once. :metal
I'm on my first listen in the car and just finished Descending. I actually fucking love it so far. Some of the tribal like rhythms are just insane and the production is amazing. I never really expected much heaviness but I'm satisfied so far.
Yeah, cranking this album in the car is a fantastic way to listen to it. The production is crystal clear and experiencing the quiet bits at a good volume really helps when the band ratchets up the tension. As for the heavy, I think the band did a great job of balancing the Tool mystic vibe with the surprisingly heavy riffing. There are a few places on the album that remind me of Undertow... like when Maynard says "Here we go again," 7empest.
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I haven't listened to this yet and to be honest not really in a rush to. I'll get around to it. I might wait another 13 years to listen until the next one so I'll get 2 full albums at once. :metal
I'm on my first listen in the car and just finished Descending. I actually fucking love it so far. Some of the tribal like rhythms are just insane and the production is amazing. I never really expected much heaviness but I'm satisfied so far.
It's really quite good, in my opinion. I went in with absolutely no expectations and wasn't too big on it at first but after only a few listens I liked most of the songs.
Hopefully this new expanded edition finds its way into our local record store.
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I didn't think it would happen because of the long wait and the insane hype but I'm actually really happy I'm loving it so much. For me there can definitely be a discussion about it even being Tool's best album, and I'm not gonna say 100% it is, because of how good some of their other albums are, but to me the fact the album is in that discussion is proof enough that this was worth the wait.
If this is the last Tool album I think they're ending it on a high note. If we get more, that's cool too ofc!
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My reaction is similar to all of yours, I wasn't expecting it to be anything really because I was really just a casual Tool fan but this album is really amazing and I can't stop listening to it. Hoping to catch them live sometime in the tour.
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I wish I could share the enthusiasm with all of you. I've heard the album multiple times shortly after it had been released and I haven't really been compelled to listen to it again since then. Never thought it was bad by any stretch, but found it to be a bit dragged out and patience-testing.
I'll try to find some time to give it another listen soon, see of my thoughts have changed on it at all, but I'm not anticipating this to be the case.
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What I appreciate most about the new album is that I can listen to it anytime. With all the other albums, I always needed to be in kind of a frustrated/pissed off kind of mood to want to listen to Tool.
The new album relaxes me and even helps me think. I can listen to it almost anytime.
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I wish I could share the enthusiasm with all of you. I've heard the album multiple times shortly after it had been released and I haven't really been compelled to listen to it again since then.
Same for me. I found the whole album rather uninspired, lacking their usual mastery of form, and nowhere near Lateralus and Aenima. Plus they sound damn old on it, especially Danny and Maynard. The album would have been way better if it had been released in 2009.
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I wish I could share the enthusiasm with all of you. I've heard the album multiple times shortly after it had been released and I haven't really been compelled to listen to it again since then.
Same for me. I found the whole album rather uninspired, lacking their usual mastery of form, and nowhere near Lateralus and Aenima. Plus they sound damn old on it, especially Danny and Maynard. The album would have been way better if it had been released in 2009.
wut?
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I haven't listened to this yet and to be honest not really in a rush to. I'll get around to it. I might wait another 13 years to listen until the next one so I'll get 2 full albums at once. :metal
I'm on my first listen in the car and just finished Descending. I actually fucking love it so far. Some of the tribal like rhythms are just insane and the production is amazing. I never really expected much heaviness but I'm satisfied so far.
It's really quite good, in my opinion. I went in with absolutely no expectations and wasn't too big on it at first but after only a few listens I liked most of the songs.
Hopefully this new expanded edition finds its way into our local record store.
Same. Even though I paid a fortune for it, I didn't really have any expectations at all. Finishing my listen in the car this morning while driving around for work was cool. Culling Voices is very very good and 7empest I'm happy is more of a full Vicarious type song. I loved the buildups of the others but happy at least one song was kind of heavier Tool from start to finish. The production is some of the best I've heard in a long long time.
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You would think the ticketing system at the University of Texas would be top-notch after all the money they make but no...It was a shit show. I managed to score a ticket in a very decent place after trying a lot of times. It was just one so it made things a bit easier. Since I missed them in San Antonio due to work, I'm not missing them this time around. Stoked! :metal
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I'm seeing them in a little over two weeks. I can't wait!
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I tried getting tickets to the Atlanta show, site went down for maintenace after 20 mins and logged back in and saw all tickets were gone.
Hoping something decent shows up later.
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I wish I could share the enthusiasm with all of you. I've heard the album multiple times shortly after it had been released and I haven't really been compelled to listen to it again since then.
Same for me. I found the whole album rather uninspired, lacking their usual mastery of form, and nowhere near Lateralus and Aenima. Plus they sound damn old on it, especially Danny and Maynard. The album would have been way better if it had been released in 2009.
wut?
Yeah, wut?!? Danny is a freaking beast on this album! He can run circles around almost any drummer out there in pure creativity. And Maynard is Maynard. He sounds great!
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Yeah, if you're gonna say someone phoned in their performances on the album, at least go with Adam Jones.
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Yeah, if you're gonna say someone phoned in their performances on the album, at least go with Adam Jones.
Danny is the star here obviously, one of the greatest drum performances I've heard in a long while, however I like Adam here a lot. A bit more experimenting and soloing which works well and his guitar tones and rhythms are nice and tight.
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I didn't want to start a controversy. To explain myself a little better, Danny has never been the most even drummer, but the tempos are all over the place on this record. He's very unsteady, changing the tempo almost every mesure in certain passages (especially the climax of the songs). This has nothing to do with the writing (I agree he's the most interesting player on the album), but with the performance. It's disheartening how he drags and kills the mometum at some points. I think he would have played the same parts way better 10 or 15 years ago. He's 58 years old after all.
About Maynard... I understand that he can't scream anymore, but he has lot most of his power in the high range, and I feel he played it safe on Fear Inoculum, even from a creative point of view. To take an example, the prosody is pretty much the same in all the songs (with a breaking of all the phrases in short groups of words), when on Lateralus Maynard was changing it every song. Even his lyrics are nowhere near his best. At this point, I think he doesn't care anymore, and haven't for at least a decade.
Adam has always been the weak point of Tool, and let's be honest, he's a mediocre guitarist. His main skill was writing great riffs, and at this point, he has exhausted all his tools (sorry for the pun). He tried to bring some new stuff here and there on Fear Inoculum, but I can't fathom how the band could think Adam could hold long instrumental passages on his own. Yet, I've nothing to say about his performance, it's pretty much the same as the old days.
I might seem overly critical, but I think the album is fine, and better that I thought it would be after 13 years. It's just that they're getting old, and it shows, and that metal have changed a lot since 2006, and there is better stuff out there these days.
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I used to think for a while that the reason a new Tool album was dragging was simply because they were struggling to come up with new riffs and good ideas. Partly because the second half of 10K Days feels a bit 'b-side' quality wise (it has grown on me though) and I remember reading some of the parts of 10K Days had been circulating in live shows for years, so to me it felt a bit like Tool was one of those bands that could never pump out an album every 2-3 years simply because they would need a 4-5 year period at least to come up with 70 minutes of good stuff. Whether this is accurate or not is of course hard to say, but to me, none of the songs on Fear Inoculum has that "b-side" feeling and I do feel like whether it's the guitar riffs, the bass parts or the drums, the songs really deliver quite strongly. Adam Jones might be a limited guitarist for all i know, but just basing it on the album I think it's all it needs to be and more.
For me it adds to what makes Tool a special band. Unlike many other bands who pump out an album every 2-3 years who expose their weaknesses, the fact that Tool has been very selective and restricted and only put out 5 (!) albums in 30 years as a band - where each album is great or better, it's just quite interesting to me. Had they put out another 4-5 albums we might have a totally different scenario where their limitations were showcased but at least for me they have managed to do that. While Tool isn't among my very favorites (I still like them a lot) their approach to putting out albums almost feels like the Daniel Day Lewis approach to acting where he will make 1 movie every 3-4 years but you know he's gonna give it 110% and you're gonna get something great.
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I know, I know, opinions.
Normally I ignore contrary opinions. But this bit, I think, begs for clarification due to the authoritative tone you take.
Danny has never been the most even drummer, but the tempos are all over the place on this record. He's very unsteady, changing the tempo almost every mesure in certain passages (especially the climax of the songs). This has nothing to do with the writing (I agree he's the most interesting player on the album), but with the performance. It's disheartening how he drags and kills the mometum at some points. I think he would have played the same parts way better 10 or 15 years ago. He's 58 years old after all.
Have you measured the performance with some kind of software or something? Tempo drops? I don't hear that at all... of course, I'm 58 years old so you can't really expect me to be a valid human anymore. Right?
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My favorite album of theirs by a wide margin. Masterpiece!
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Have you measured the performance with some kind of software or something? Tempo drops? I don't hear that at all...
I've heard them since the first time I've heard the record, but if you really need proof, here you go :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLK6lhwXAb8
That guy had to check all the tempo changes to play along. Some are here for expressive reasons, but others are plain unevenness.
Edit : I see that he also did Descending, and it confirms one of the most audible tempo drop of the record, and probably the one I dislike the most (from 9'45, 180-182 bmp than 174 bpm than the big drop at 167 bpm) :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el37hdQK6GU
of course, I'm 58 years old so you can't really expect me to be a valid human anymore. Right?
Drums are a very physical instrument, so I thought his age could be a acceptable explanation for his lack of regularity and power compared to his younger days, considering how busy his parts are. Other drummers are still very powerful and tight at the same age. Do you prefer the other explanation (Danny is just not a very tight drummer)?
Once again, I think Danny is still creative and by far the best player on Fear Inoculum. I just don't think he performs on the album at the level he used to.
For the record, the best musician I've ever heard play live was 88 years old.
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I couldn't care less if he changes something a few bpm in a song. His performance is one of the main reasons I'm enjoying this album so much. Simple. Maynard I agree is a bit safe.
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After 2 listens through, I actually think Invincible is my fav so far.
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Probably my least favorite Tool album. Songs are a bit too drawn out (this coming from a DT fan).
I’m only a casual Tool fan, though. I kind of feel they’ve been writing the same song for 20 years now. They’re like the AC/DC of prog metal. Not necessarily a bad thing but I really wouldn’t say they are progressing anything these days. They put on a hell of a show, though.
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Have you measured the performance with some kind of software or something? Tempo drops? I don't hear that at all...
I've heard them since the first time I've heard the record, but if you really need proof, here you go :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLK6lhwXAb8
That guy had to check all the tempo changes to play along. Some are here for expressive reasons, but others are plain unevenness.
That's pretty interesting - thanks for sharing. Though to me, all this really proves is that he didn't play to a click while recording. Aside from the obvious tempo switch-ups that are clearly intentional (i.e. the one in Descending that you called out), I wouldn't call any of that uneven-ness consequential or even that noticeable at all.
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Maaaan. I saw them live in Boston last week, and I was absolutely blown away by everything; the song arrangements, the performances, the visuals, the attention to every detail from the band to the crews. That was a show. Wow. I have never been a Tool fan, because I just never loved their sound enough to invest real time into them. But, I got invited to the show and I'm still thinking about it. I enjoyed it better than the 2 DT's shows I've been to, and DT is a top 3 band for me. That's saying a lot. Great stuff. I'm looking forward to diving into their back catalog a bit more.
-Tof
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After 2 listens through, I actually think Invincible is my fav so far.
After about 10 listens, I tend to agree. Heavy, melodic and rhythmic.
I love Maynard's performance on this one. The part where he sings, "Heavy shield down" is pretty moving.
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https://www.spin.com/2019/11/tool-fear-inoculum-grammy-nominations/ (https://www.spin.com/2019/11/tool-fear-inoculum-grammy-nominations/)
Best Metal Performance for “7empest” and Best Rock Song for the album’s title track.
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Probably my least favorite Tool album. Songs are a bit too drawn out (this coming from a DT fan).
I’m only a casual Tool fan, though. I kind of feel they’ve been writing the same song for 20 years now. They’re like the AC/DC of prog metal. Not necessarily a bad thing but I really wouldn’t say they are progressing anything these days. They put on a hell of a show, though.
This is mostly me. I found the songs kind of lacking in tempo especially for how long they are. And I felt like they had reused too many ideas from previous albums. There are some good moments for sure but they are just too few and far between for me. It isn't their worst album imho but certainly their worst since before Aenima, again imho.
However, I do think it is a good album for contemplation, in fact, maybe the very best.
I'll keep listening and maybe I'll change my mind some day.
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I’m curious, what’s everyone’s favorite song from each album? I’ll start:
Undertow - Crawl Away
Ænima - Pushit
Lateralus - Lateralus
10,000 Days - Right In Two
Fear Inoculum - Descending
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I’m curious, what’s everyone’s favorite song from each album? I’ll start:
Undertow - Crawl Away
Ænima - Pushit
Lateralus - Lateralus
10,000 Days - Right In Two
Fear Inoculum - Descending
Undertow - either Bottom or Sober
Ænima - Eulogy
Lateralus - Lateralus
10,000 Days - 10,000 Days
Fear Inoculum - Pneuma
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Undertow - 4°
Aenima - Pushit
Lateralus - Disposition/Reflection
10,000 Days - Intension
Fear Inoculum - Culling Voices
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Undertow - Sober
Aenima - Eulogy
Lateralus - Ticks and Leeches
10,000 Days - Right in Two
Fear Inoculum - Invincible
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Hrmm this is tough:
Undertow - Undertow
Aenima - Stinkfist
Lateralus - Reflection
10,000 Days - Right in Two
Fear Innoculum - Pneuma
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Undertow - Sober
Aenima - Forty Six & 2
Lateralus - Parabol/Parabola
10,000 Days - Vicarious
Fear Innoculum - Pneuma probably
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Opiate - Cold and Ugly
Undertow- 4 Degrees
Aenima- Aenima
Lateralus- Reflection
10,000 Days- Rosetta stoned
Fear Innoculum- Pneuma
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Oh man that is really hard. In my opinion, Tool albums function best as whole pieces of music and it's hard for me to pick one song off any album that is supposed to be "the best". The question for me with those songs is: they are supposed to be "the best" in what?
Vicarious is an awesome rocker, a great single and it's super catchy for someone who wants to get into Tool. I can never hold still or listen to it without unpacking my air drums or imitating MJK during the finale. Still, the double decker Lost Keys/Rosetta Stoned is the key masterpiece of 10.000 Days, though it's a LOT harder to get into.
7empest might be the song off Fear Inoculum that is most appealing to old school fans of the band. Plus, the interaction between the band members and their performances are amazing. But the epic build-up and finale in Descending, the suspense in the endless riff interlude in Invincible or the in every way perfect structure of Pneuma are just as unmatched in their own way.
So, I think that Tool songs are so multilayered and packed with their own different qualities (of course within the range and style of the band) that it's impossible for me to just pick one song that is the best off each album. I hope that makes sense.
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Oh man that is really hard. In my opinion, Tool albums function best as whole pieces of music and it's hard for me to pick one song off any album that is supposed to be "the best". The question for me with those songs is: they are supposed to be "the best" in what?
You put it a very nice way. I can't say that I have ever really had a favorite song from any album. The first time that I even contemplated a favorite song was with Tempest. Just too much goodness on every album.
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Intolerance
Stinkfist
Lateralus
Vicarious
Pneuma or Descending, not entirely sure.
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Just got back from Tool in Atlantic City and it was incredible.
The lazers and visuals were fantastic. Set list was solid and Pneuma was the song of the night for sure. I loved it before, but seeing it live was amazing :metal
And to be honest, the no cell phone thing was actually really refreshing. People were just watching the show. It was surreal. And they were absolutely enforcing it.
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Undertow - Intolerance
Aenima - Third Eye
Lateralus - The Grudge
10,000 Days - Rosetta stoned
Fear Innoculum - The only song I go back to is Descending, so I guess this is the one
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The Lost in Vegas guys did a reaction video to Pneuma and they were absolutely floored by the track. This is the one track I just cannot wait to hear live, I'm going to melt when/if they play this.
I saw the length of the video and thought I would check out just the first couple of mins but man these guys' reactions are such a joy to watch I ended up watching the whole 38 mins of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-23__zILRgc
I dug this up because I didn't want to repost something. But I only just saw this for the first time a couple of days ago, and it actually made me love the track even more. There is something really cool about listening to music WITH someone and the enthusiasm becoming contagious. This used to happen a lot more when people used to go to each others houses JUST to listen to records. The last friend I had who I could do that with died several years ago. I don't really have anyone in my life anymore that I can just sit and listen to music with...or go over to their house just to hear the new album by so and so. So these reaction videos sometimes feel like that to me.
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I know how you feel jammindude. I have a friend who lives in Florida and when I still lived there we'd get together once or twice a week taking turns picking albums out to listen to. It was some of the best times I've ever had.
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Yea my college roommate and I discovered our love for many bands by spinning albums in our apartment together and having live reactions in the moment together. We last tried this for The Astonishing and he really wasn't into it which kind of sucked. We haven't gotten together for an album listen since and maybe never again sadly just because of how busy our lives have become.
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I'm in the same boat as Jammindude. As a teenager I spent many a happy hour discovering new albums with friends ( I can vividly remember the afternoon I bunked off school to listen to Pink's Floyd's The Wall for the first time at my friend's house). That type of shared discovery doesn't happen for me anymore.
As for favourite song from each album:
Undertow: Sober
Aenima: 46&2
Lateralus: The Patient
10,000 Days: Right In Two
Fear Inoculum: Invincible
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The Lost in Vegas guys did a reaction video to Pneuma and they were absolutely floored by the track. This is the one track I just cannot wait to hear live, I'm going to melt when/if they play this.
I saw the length of the video and thought I would check out just the first couple of mins but man these guys' reactions are such a joy to watch I ended up watching the whole 38 mins of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-23__zILRgc
I dug this up because I didn't want to repost something. But I only just saw this for the first time a couple of days ago, and it actually made me love the track even more. There is something really cool about listening to music WITH someone and the enthusiasm becoming contagious. This used to happen a lot more when people used to go to each others houses JUST to listen to records. The last friend I had who I could do that with died several years ago. I don't really have anyone in my life anymore that I can just sit and listen to music with...or go over to their house just to hear the new album by so and so. So these reaction videos sometimes feel like that to me.
Very sorry about this, man.
I don't know where you live, but come by anytime and we can listen to music together ;)
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Just got back to my room after seeing Tool and all I can say is wow
The show was just spectacular. I'll try to write more tomorrow but I had to post something. Danny Carey is just an animal live.
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The Lost in Vegas guys did a reaction video to Pneuma and they were absolutely floored by the track. This is the one track I just cannot wait to hear live, I'm going to melt when/if they play this.
I saw the length of the video and thought I would check out just the first couple of mins but man these guys' reactions are such a joy to watch I ended up watching the whole 38 mins of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-23__zILRgc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-23__zILRgc)
I dug this up because I didn't want to repost something. But I only just saw this for the first time a couple of days ago, and it actually made me love the track even more. There is something really cool about listening to music WITH someone and the enthusiasm becoming contagious. This used to happen a lot more when people used to go to each others houses JUST to listen to records. The last friend I had who I could do that with died several years ago. I don't really have anyone in my life anymore that I can just sit and listen to music with...or go over to their house just to hear the new album by so and so. So these reaction videos sometimes feel like that to me.
jammindude, I had forgotten how way back in the day in my teenage years this is how I used to listen to my music. Together with friends and go back and forth on different sections and tracks. I miss those discussions. And you are right these reaction videos are sometimes what it feels like.
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Caught the Tool show in Raleigh last night.
Holy shit.
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EXPANDED EDITION NOW AVAILABLE:
https://smarturl.it/TOOLFIEXB?IQid=yt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54c1B9jLnJI&feature=youtu.be
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EXPANDED EDITION NOW AVAILABLE:
https://smarturl.it/TOOLFIEXB?IQid=yt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54c1B9jLnJI&feature=youtu.be
Ordered with an Amazon giftcard I won the other day.
And someone here spent $120 USD of course if you have the money that's not a problem I guess
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Gotta order this today.
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I understand now, this version doesn't have the video thing the other version has, but still cheapest and I want it.
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https://www.hdtracks.de/fear-inoculum you could have saved more money here and got the complete album (sorry it redirects to the German version of the page, just swap it with .com)
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I understand now, this version doesn't have the video thing the other version has, but still cheapest and I want it.
It has a download code for the video.... just got it today. Beautifum book...!
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I understand now, this version doesn't have the video thing the other version has, but still cheapest and I want it.
It has a download code for the video.... just got it today. Beautifum book...!
I noticed that on the description after I made my comment. Thanks
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I actually canceled my pre-order for this expanded edition. I already have the video screen version. I don't know how much I'm keen to collect the expanded artwork.
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Just came back from the Austin show. Holy crap! What a setlist and what a light show. Pat Mastelotto joined Danny Carey on the Chocolate Trip “song” (drum solo).
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Just got floor seats for the second carolina pass through in April. I'm so pumped
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Somehow just snagged row A tickets on the lower level (quite possibly the best seat in the house in my opinion) for second Twin Cities pass through. Demand must be a little lower this time around as tickets sold out instantly the first time around. Good seats can be got!!
So pumped!!
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I think it's time to change the thread title :P
I'm so pumped.
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I think it's time to change the thread title :P
I'm so pumped.
Nah, it's been long enough since Fear Inoculum that we can finally be in the phase of waiting for a new album.
-Marc.
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The real question is, will they do another album? They aren't getting younger and they definitely can't wait long to do another album if they decide to do it.
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The real question is, will they do another album? They aren't getting younger and they definitely can't wait long to do another album if they decide to do it.
And if they don't, was Fear Inoculum a good swan song for the band?
-Marc.
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I think so, I like the album more and more with every listen and I think it's my second favorite tool album.
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I think so, I like the album more and more with every listen and I think it's my second favorite tool album.
This! Absolutely!
Although I do hope they have it in them to write one more album in the next few years.
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Does anyone else get annoyed that they recycled the opening riff of Jambi around the 8 minute mark of Invincible? Minor thing, but still.
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Does anyone else get annoyed that they recycled the opening riff of Jambi around the 8 minute mark of Invincible? Minor thing, but still.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a pretty big Tool fan, and this might be a sacrilege but they are basically the Ac/Dc of the prog/metal world. ALOT of their stuff sounds the same. They do what they do well, but they have a very very specific formula they rarely stray too far from.
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Does anyone else get annoyed that they recycled the opening riff of Jambi around the 8 minute mark of Invincible? Minor thing, but still.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a pretty big Tool fan, and this might be a sacrilege but they are basically the Ac/Dc of the prog/metal world. ALOT of their stuff sounds the same. They do what they do well, but they have a very very specific formula they rarely stray too far from.
I have no words...
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I was actually a bit surprised by Adam's restraint with regards to that hammer-on-and-pull-off triplet riff on Fear Inoculum.
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Does anyone else get annoyed that they recycled the opening riff of Jambi around the 8 minute mark of Invincible? Minor thing, but still.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a pretty big Tool fan, and this might be a sacrilege but they are basically the Ac/Dc of the prog/metal world. ALOT of their stuff sounds the same. They do what they do well, but they have a very very specific formula they rarely stray too far from.
The fact that you leave this comment on a Dream Theater forum is hilarious to me.
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Does anyone else get annoyed that they recycled the opening riff of Jambi around the 8 minute mark of Invincible? Minor thing, but still.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a pretty big Tool fan, and this might be a sacrilege but they are basically the Ac/Dc of the prog/metal world. ALOT of their stuff sounds the same. They do what they do well, but they have a very very specific formula they rarely stray too far from.
I have no words...
He's got a point. Obviously not all of their songs sound completely the same but basically all of their songs are in the same key and many of their riffs are just a differently-ordered sequence of these powerchords: D F G C D (see: the "holy fucking shit" riff at the beginning of Rosetta Stoned)
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Does anyone else get annoyed that they recycled the opening riff of Jambi around the 8 minute mark of Invincible? Minor thing, but still.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a pretty big Tool fan, and this might be a sacrilege but they are basically the Ac/Dc of the prog/metal world. ALOT of their stuff sounds the same. They do what they do well, but they have a very very specific formula they rarely stray too far from.
I have no words...
He's got a point. Obviously not all of their songs sound completely the same but basically all of their songs are in the same key and many of their riffs are just a differently-ordered sequence of these powerchords: D F G C D (see: the "holy fucking shit" riff at the beginning of Rosetta Stoned)
People were saying that about Pneuma sounding like Schism. It makes even more funnier (to me) they're playing both back to back.
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Pneuma sounds much more like The Patient to me. :lol
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Does anyone else get annoyed that they recycled the opening riff of Jambi around the 8 minute mark of Invincible? Minor thing, but still.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a pretty big Tool fan, and this might be a sacrilege but they are basically the Ac/Dc of the prog/metal world. ALOT of their stuff sounds the same. They do what they do well, but they have a very very specific formula they rarely stray too far from.
I have no words...
He's got a point. Obviously not all of their songs sound completely the same but basically all of their songs are in the same key and many of their riffs are just a differently-ordered sequence of these powerchords: D F G C D (see: the "holy fucking shit" riff at the beginning of Rosetta Stoned)
Exactly. And I don’t mean that as a knock on Tool. It is what it is.
When people who haven’t heard of Dream Theater ask me what song they should listen to, I have a difficult time because their music is fairly diverse. With Tool you could probably give someone 1 or 2 songs and they’re gonna have a pretty good idea of what that band is all about.
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Does anyone else get annoyed that they recycled the opening riff of Jambi around the 8 minute mark of Invincible? Minor thing, but still.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a pretty big Tool fan, and this might be a sacrilege but they are basically the Ac/Dc of the prog/metal world. ALOT of their stuff sounds the same. They do what they do well, but they have a very very specific formula they rarely stray too far from.
I have no words...
He's got a point. Obviously not all of their songs sound completely the same but basically all of their songs are in the same key and many of their riffs are just a differently-ordered sequence of these powerchords: D F G C D (see: the "holy fucking shit" riff at the beginning of Rosetta Stoned)
With Tool you could probably give someone 1 or 2 songs and they’re gonna have a pretty good idea of what that band is all about.
Die Eier Von Satan and Viginti Tres :biggrin:
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Does anyone else get annoyed that they recycled the opening riff of Jambi around the 8 minute mark of Invincible? Minor thing, but still.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a pretty big Tool fan, and this might be a sacrilege but they are basically the Ac/Dc of the prog/metal world. ALOT of their stuff sounds the same. They do what they do well, but they have a very very specific formula they rarely stray too far from.
I have no words...
He's got a point. Obviously not all of their songs sound completely the same but basically all of their songs are in the same key and many of their riffs are just a differently-ordered sequence of these powerchords: D F G C D (see: the "holy fucking shit" riff at the beginning of Rosetta Stoned)
With Tool you could probably give someone 1 or 2 songs and they’re gonna have a pretty good idea of what that band is all about.
Die Eier Von Satan and Viginti Tres :biggrin:
Faaip De Oiad
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Does anyone else get annoyed that they recycled the opening riff of Jambi around the 8 minute mark of Invincible? Minor thing, but still.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a pretty big Tool fan, and this might be a sacrilege but they are basically the Ac/Dc of the prog/metal world. ALOT of their stuff sounds the same. They do what they do well, but they have a very very specific formula they rarely stray too far from.
I have no words...
He's got a point. Obviously not all of their songs sound completely the same but basically all of their songs are in the same key and many of their riffs are just a differently-ordered sequence of these powerchords: D F G C D (see: the "holy fucking shit" riff at the beginning of Rosetta Stoned)
Exactly. And I don’t mean that as a knock on Tool. It is what it is.
When people who haven’t heard of Dream Theater ask me what song they should listen to, I have a difficult time because their music is fairly diverse. With Tool you could probably give someone 1 or 2 songs and they’re gonna have a pretty good idea of what that band is all about.
I disagree. I mean, DT has done some occasional “diverse” things I suppose....but the entire reason I don’t often listen to DT any more is BECAUSE all their stuff is extremely similar. Take away all the bitching that people do about the sonic quality, and take it down to just songwriting and structure, and nearly all their albums are just better or “not as good” versions of the exact same ideas. And when they did recently try to break rank and try to something that was honestly different (TA) the reaction was so polarized that they resorted to going back to the formula. Not even saying that’s a bad thing. D/T is their best album in years...but it’s not breaking any new ground. It’s an extremely excellent example of “DT by the numbers” which is why people like it.
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Would it piss anyone off terribly if I corrected the thread title?
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Would it piss anyone off terribly if I corrected the thread title?
I'd actually prefer it. Please do
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Would it piss anyone off terribly if I corrected the thread title?
Please, it has been annoying me just quietly.
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Would it piss anyone off terribly if I corrected the thread title?
Yes, me.
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Would it piss anyone off terribly if I corrected the thread title?
You can change it, but only if it becomes "TOOL : Finally Released A New Album. V Who Gives A Crap?!"
-Marc.
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Would it piss anyone off terribly if I corrected the thread title?
You can change it, but only if it becomes "TOOL : Finally Released A New Album. V Who Gives A Crap?!"
-Marc.
Ha
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How's that?
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Haha, that's perfect.
I'm guilty of not listening to the album as much, only listened to it all the way twice. Don't know why, Maybe i'm still bitter my code from the cd won't work because My connection messed up while downloading it.
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How's that?
:tup :lol
In the words of Michael Fassbender's Magneto - "Perfection."
I'm guilty of not listening to the album as much, only listened to it all the way twice. Don't know why, Maybe i'm still bitter my code from the cd won't work because My connection messed up while downloading it.
I'll be honest, too. I've probably only listened to the album a handful of times shortly after release. I don't think I've listened to ONE song since October or so. Then again, Flying Colors and The Flower Kings released new albums after Tool did, so they occupied a lot of my late-fall/early-winter listening last year.
I'm sure I'll revisit FI at some point and maybe I'll like it more! I just haven't been in a Tool-mood in recent months.
-Marc.
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I will say the mix is splendid. I enjoyed the listen, its a lot to digest though with the length of the songs. I just got the intermission tracks on Itunes and they are actually nice breathers bewtween the songs, making it easier to listen to oddly enough.
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Danny Carey | "Pneuma" by Tool (LIVE IN CONCERT) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FssULNGSZIA)
This is a nice nugget to watch! :corn
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^ Goddamn! :2metal:
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Awesome! Also my favourite track off the album.
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Danny Carey | "Pneuma" by Tool (LIVE IN CONCERT) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FssULNGSZIA)
This is a nice nugget to watch! :corn
That was awesome! I never realized before, but the part starting at about 6:30 seems heavily inspired by some of Neil Peart's drum solos. Either way, Danny Carey is a beast. Time for me to finally sit down and learn this song on my drums.
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That was great. Pretty nice to hear a good quality live version as well.
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Just watched that Danny vid. Holy crap is right! The posture and poise. The man doesn't waste a bit of motion. It's almost like watching Steve Morse play guitar. He doesn't look at his instrument at all, he just instinctively knows what to do and could do it blind.
Man, they need a live release. A modern one, that is.
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Just watched that Danny vid. Holy crap is right! The posture and poise. The man doesn't waste a bit of motion. It's almost like watching Steve Morse play guitar. He doesn't look at his instrument at all, he just instinctively knows what to do and could do it blind.
Man, they need a live release. A modern one, that is.
100%. This video has shown how awesome it can be! This band has just a huge sound on stage and I would love to hear (and see) it over and over again at home. Do you guys think they'll ever release a live DVD? I remember MJK saying something like, we will never release a live DVD, just come to our fucking shows. But they ARE on streaming platforms now too- that's something no one expected as well.
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I wouldn't hold my breath but I would love for it to happen. Shit I'd pay money for a Danny Carey drum cam video.
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Just watched that Danny vid. Holy crap is right! The posture and poise. The man doesn't waste a bit of motion. It's almost like watching Steve Morse play guitar. He doesn't look at his instrument at all, he just instinctively knows what to do and could do it blind.
Man, they need a live release. A modern one, that is.
100%. This video has shown how awesome it can be! This band has just a huge sound on stage and I would love to hear (and see) it over and over again at home. Do you guys think they'll ever release a live DVD? I remember MJK saying something like, we will never release a live DVD, just come to our fucking shows. But they ARE on streaming platforms now too- that's something no one expected as well.
Had there ever been a live release by them though? I actually don't know.
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Salival was sort of a live release, had 5 live songs on it.
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As far as I know it's only audio though. I want a huge live package with a full concerts on Blu-Ray and LPs in an awesome box :metal
Also, the other day I had a though: I hope that someday the band will release a boxset with all their albums on all formats. In a dark grey/black metal box. Simply called "Toolbox".
Yes I know, but one can dream right...
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Salival was sort of a live release, had 5 live songs on it.
Which are rare songs or alternate...
Third Eye has a different opening Sample
Pushit has the entire first half changed up (It's my definitive version of the song)
Part of Me is an older EP song
Merkaba an instrumental only found on this EP
You Lied, a cover of Justins band Peach (they also played Spasm)
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It's also out of print now if I remember correctly.
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yes it is (and consequently prohibitively expensive, IMHO anyway, see for yourselves: https://www.discogs.com/sell/list?master_id=1720&ev=mb)
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If there ever was an official live dvd from them, I guarantee you there would be no closeups of Maynard 😂
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yes it is (and consequently prohibitively expensive, IMHO anyway, see for yourselves: https://www.discogs.com/sell/list?master_id=1720&ev=mb)
Ouch that is expensive. I should start sending offers for half off :lol it worked on some vinyls I've gotten from discogs
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Danny Carey | "Pneuma" by Tool (LIVE IN CONCERT) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FssULNGSZIA)
This is a nice nugget to watch! :corn
I only saw this today... what a incredible drummer/percusionist Danny is! So creative in his arrangements! :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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yes it is (and consequently prohibitively expensive, IMHO anyway, see for yourselves: https://www.discogs.com/sell/list?master_id=1720&ev=mb)
Man, I have the CD/DVD version. Maybe I should sell it. Nah, never gonna happen.
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yes it is (and consequently prohibitively expensive, IMHO anyway, see for yourselves: https://www.discogs.com/sell/list?master_id=1720&ev=mb)
Man, I have the CD/DVD version. Maybe I should sell it. Nah, never gonna happen.
Yeah, I do too. I bought it when it was first released. I'll never sell it. Well, unless someone offered me an exorbitant amount of money for it....
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I have an unofficial pressing of an LP featuring the 5 songs. Of course, it's not mastered for vinyl, but the sound is still pretty good. I found it in some small record store in Dresden for 18 bucks. It's not available on Discogs though, since it's prohibited to sell (probably by Tool).
https://www.discogs.com/de/Tool-Salival/release/7080718
It's this one.
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Wow that's really cool. I have some Tool vinyls myself but as you said they aren't mastered for vinyl so while the record looks nice, it sounds shitty.
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I have an unofficial pressing of an LP featuring the 5 songs. Of course, it's not mastered for vinyl, but the sound is still pretty good. I found it in some small record store in Dresden for 18 bucks. It's not available on Discogs though, since it's prohibited to sell (probably by Tool).
https://www.discogs.com/de/Tool-Salival/release/7080718
It's this one.
It's missing the best song on the album, LAMC :neverusethis:
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I feel like that is the only song in the entire Tool catalog that has an acoustic guitar in it
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I'll just leave this here and wait for the hilarious comments to ensue:
Tool Plan to Write Songs for New EP While in Quarantine
https://consequenceofsound.net/2020/04/tool-write-songs-downtime/
I'll go first, so we can expect this EP in about 6 1/2 years then?
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I'll just leave this here and wait for the hilarious comments to ensue:
Tool Plan to Write Songs for New EP While in Quarantine
https://consequenceofsound.net/2020/04/tool-write-songs-downtime/
I'll go first, so we can expect this EP in about 6 1/2 years then?
If the quarantine lasts long enough for them to finish it, the rest of us won't be able to afford it. Assuming it ever gets released.
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It's hard for me not to get my hopes up, but I hope I live long enough to this released in 2041
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It's hard for me not to get my hopes up, but I hope I live long enough to this released in 2041
Well, Danny will be 79 by then so we shouldn't expect much in the drum department.
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I can't believe he is as old as he is. Not knocking him, he seems to be at his peak but damn time flies.
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Yeah right. Good one, Tool
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New Puscifer album coming!
Puscifer Invasion. Prepare to be Abducted. New Album Fall 2020. World Tour 2021.
Get "Apocalyptical" here: https://Puscifer.lnk.to/ApocalypticalFA
Wow, Maynard is pretty productive these days!
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Bringing this over here, where it belongs.
K-Boy!
Hey, speaking of Adam Jones, you need to pop over to your Tool thread and give us your thoughts on Fear Inoculum.
I haven't heard it but I imagine it's like every other Tool record: it sucks! :lol
Edit: my arrogant self thought that was a request to me omg :rollin
I don't really like anything before Lateralus.
I put on Ænima on a bus ride to work one day and once you realise that nearly the whole album is mono - you get tired of it very quickly.
Seriously why have all guitars bass and vocals in the middle ?!
it's so tiring to listen to.
Nah, it's fucking amazing.
Indeed :metal :2metal: :letam:
Truly fucking amazing! :metal :2metal: :letam: :jingleboy:
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I just got a message saying Tool officially cancelled the show at Target Center---not postponed---cancelled.
Just lost my lower level Row A tickets (best seat in the house). Man...screw 2020.
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Fear Inoculum ranking.
1. Culling Voices
2. Pneuma
3. Invincible.
4. Fear Inoculum
5. Descending
6. 7empest. ( I think it’s completely bloated and is 5 minutes of dull soloing )
7. Chocolate Chip Trip.
All the segues.
Mockingbeat.
Albums.
1. Lateralus
2. 10,000 Days
3. Fear Inoculum
4. Ænima
5. Undertow
Salival
Opiate.
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Fear Inoculum ranking.
6. 7empest. ( I think it’s completely bloated and is 5 minutes of dull soloing )
That’s just wrong.
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I just got a message saying Tool officially cancelled the show at Target Center---not postponed---cancelled.
Just lost my lower level Row A tickets (best seat in the house). Man...screw 2020.
Yup got the cancellation too. Super bummed, I was really looking forward to seeing them again.
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Fear Inoculum ranking.
6. 7empest. ( I think it’s completely bloated and is 5 minutes of dull soloing )
That’s just wrong.
Yeah, can't agree with that at all either.
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Sorry guys for losing those amazing seats :'(
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Fear Inoculum ranking.
6. 7empest. ( I think it’s completely bloated and is 5 minutes of dull soloing )
That’s just wrong.
Nope. Adam really is limited as a guitar player and he's used up his entire bag of tricks in that song and I really don't need to hear
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One more time.
Listening through Fear Inoculum the first time was like " Oh this is just [song x] but not as good "...
or
" Oh it's that riff again "
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hrmm let me do a ranking since it's been a while:
Albums.
1. Lateralus
3. Fear Inoculum
2. 10,000 Days
4. Ænima
5. Undertow
6. Opiate
I actually hold Undertow and Aenima at the same level. My initial thoughts of FI was echoing what Kotow said where it rehashed the same ideas but with more time to marinate FI really came into it's own. I love the album.
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The production on Fear Inoculum is stellar. Every instrument sounds fantastic and nobody is fighting for space.
The guitars aren't *quite* as PUNCHY as 10,000 Days though but it's fine.
It just means you can turn up F.I. without getting as much fatigue.
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Fear Inoculum ranking.
6. 7empest. ( I think it’s completely bloated and is 5 minutes of dull soloing )
That’s just wrong.
Nope. Adam really is limited as a guitar player and he's used up his entire bag of tricks in that song and I really don't need to hear
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One more time.
Listening through Fear Inoculum the first time was like " Oh this is just [song x] but not as good "...
or
" Oh it's that riff again "
That's been my issue with Tool for some time. To me, it sounds repetitive. Although there are some songs that I absolutely love (not in this album, though).
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Lateralus
Ænima
Fear Inoculum
10,000 Days
Undertow
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Album Ranking:
10,000 Days
Lateralus
Fear Innoculum
Aenima
Undertow
Opiate
Fear Inoculum Ranking:
Descending
Pneuma
7empest
Invincible
Fear Inoculum
Culling Voices
Chocolate Chip Trip
I had Pneuma and 7empest at the top, then listened to the album again to cement my rankings and realised that actually, Descending is probably my favourite ;D
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Descending is graceful. I love how after the first half of the song, Maynard confidently leaves it to the band to bring it home. As if he's all "alright guys you got this, I'm gonna powder my nose".
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Descending is graceful. I love how after the first half of the song, Maynard confidently leaves it to the band to bring it home. As if he's all "alright guys you got this, I'm gonna powder my nose".
Exactly. It’s my favorite song on the album, I love that unique structure. Maynard carries the first half: says what he needs to say (with a great performance), and is out!
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Alright let's do it:
Lateralus
Fear Inoculum
Aenima
10000 Days
Undertow
I was actually very tempted to put Fear Inoculum as the nr1 but I still feel it's 'too soon' to do it. Lateralus to me is consistently superb as a concept album and works very well all the way through. 10000 Days would be over Aenima because I love the production and sound of it (the guitars sound really good and the drumming hits you in the face and the bass is actually a standout) however it drops off in the second half for me and the best songs are all in the first half. Aenima is a bit like Lateralus only I think the latter pulls it off better. Undertow is a solid debut. Fear Inoculum for me is the best of Lateralus (an album where I really like every song) with the (imo) improved sound design of 10000 Days - so in theory I should place it as #1, and maybe I will in the future - but it's always hard comparing an album that's been with you for a looong time with a new one.
In terms of song ranking I think 7empest, Pneuma and Invincible would be in my top 3, the title track very solid in the middle, then followed by Descending (still awesome) and Culling Voices while still good is the weakest out of the long tracks for me. Chocolate Chip Trip just on its own is a fairly fun instrumental but does feel a bit out of place perhaps and I would place it the lowest.
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I couldn't even rank their albums (except for Undertow, which despite being a stellar debut is still their weakest album imo)... Every time I'd put an album in one space I'd think "but that other album has that and that so it should be in this higher space". And once I switch them, I'd think "yeah but that other album has friggin *this song*"...
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Btw, Zantera, I understand what you mean by 10.000 Days dropping during the second half, since the first half has such strong tracks. But I still have to disagree :biggrin: The second half has Right In Two and Rosetta Stoned, one of their best songs ever for me.
And also: finally someone who agrees with me! I tend to name Fear Inoculum their best album too, but it's just too early. (Also I'd fall into the thinking scheme I described above :lol)
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Aenima
Lateralus
10,000 Days
Fear Inoculum
Undertow
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Just because I really like the Lost in Vegas guys. Their Tool - Pneuma video is one of the best reactions videos I've seen since they are getting it quickly and are 100% mind blown. Honestly they got that song much quicker than I ever did.
Anyway they revisit the song checking out the live video Tool posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRMmd62S84M
That live video is still the most insane drumming I ever seen. Can't think of anything else like it even after going through multiple progressive metal / rock live videos (ofc all Dream Theater ones).
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A few interesting / funny things about F.I. ;D (not to be taken seriously)...
i. There is a song on 10,000 Days called Right In Two. A couple songs on the album are one big piece of music in two tracks
• 10,000 Days / Wings
• Lost Keys / Rosetta Stoned
10,000 Days split in two is 13 years. The gap until Fear Inoculum. Also the gap if you add up the gaps from Undertow to Aenima 3 to Lateralus 5 to 10,000 Days 5 ;D
Fear Inoculum has a song called MOCKING-Beat. Which is 2:05.
Viginti Tres is 5:02. I think this MIGHT be a very subtle dig at all the people who thought Wings/10,000/Viginti Tres was one massive song - when anyone with functioning ears
could hear that it was a complete mess. And if they intended it - then it would have sounded better than two songs playing at the same time.
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Fear Inoculum was released one year ago today! How has it aged for everyone in one year? I still have it comfortably at 3rd out of the 5 albums.
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I still thoroughly enjoy it. Solid from beginning to end.
I've never been able to rank Tool albums. They all have something to offer. It all comes down to what mood I'm in.
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A year? No way. How could a year pass that quickly.
Fantastic album. My favorite by them by a long ways. Love every song!
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I still rate it highly. Lateralus might still be #1 (though a lot of that is nostalgia) but I think Fear Inoculum is a very solid #2.
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I still really like it. Granted, I haven't heard much of their other albums to make a ranking of my own. Pneuma is the standout track for me.
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As I see it, Pneuma is pretty much a culmination of their career up to this point and one of the gems of the discography, but I don't feel the album as a whole measures up to their best work. The songs tend to meander on and Maynard seemed overwhelmed in trying to provide vocals for a large portion of the music.
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I still rate it highly. Lateralus might still be #1 (though a lot of that is nostalgia) but I think Fear Inoculum is a very solid #2.
Exactly where I am as well. I never thought Lateralus would be dethroned, but Fear has me doubting myself. It's that good.
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As I see it, Pneuma is pretty much a culmination of their career up to this point and one of the gems of the discography, but I don't feel the album as a whole measures up to their best work. The songs tend to meander on and Maynard seemed overwhelmed in trying to provide vocals for a large portion of the music.
I agree. Meandering songs, Maynard is uninspired and Adam is simply not a good enough guitarist to carry all the instrumental parts. And overall, the playing on the album is not up to their past glory. Still a fine album, but I only listen to Pneuma and Descending (althought the last minutes are weak) at this point.
Ranking would be:
1. Lateralus
2. Aenima (Third Eye is still better than anything on Fear Inoculum)
3. 10 000 days/Fear Inoculum
4. Undertow
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Pneuma is the standout track. Culling Voices is my favorite. The rest I could give or take. I don't know, it might be the length of the songs, but i find myself unable to listen to the album as a whole. It meanders and I lose track of what they were playing.
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Culling Voices is my fave too.
My least fave is 7empest as it's just a jam and as someone said - Adam isn't good enough to play anything interesting over 5 minutes of backing track.
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Culling Voices is probably my least favorite out of the long ones but it's still pretty decent. I get why people love Pneuma so much, I think it's great, but I think for me the highlights are Invincible and 7empest. I know some people feel like it's a bloated album but let's not pretend like Lateralus/Aenima/10K Days did not have their fair share of filler as well.
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Aenima has the most filler by a long way. At least the segues on Lateralus actually setup the next song.
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Yeah I think the Lateralus 'interludes' are the least offensive but like the Aenima and Fear Inoculum interludes (those are only on the deluxe edition thankfully) are almost laughably bad. Like an interlude track is usually the easiest thing to make because you can get away with just something ambient but then I think about something like 'die eier von satan' from Aenima and for me that short track on its own is enough to knock half a point off the overall score.
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With 10,000 Days, I don't consider Lipan Conjuring filler at all. To me, it serves a purpose. It's the backstory to why the guy in Lost Keys is in the hospital tripping balls and could be why it's subtitled "Blame Hoffman". The person took LSD and it led them to a journey to find spiritual enlightenment, just taking LSD wasn't enough. They then discovered a way to "achieve" it by visiting a native American shaman from the Lipan tribe. Whatever happened was too much for them, hence the loud scream at the end of Lipan Conjuring, and it caused them to get taken to a hospital. As he lays there, he relays to the doctor everything he experienced while being under and it's coming across as 3 different languages (the many different vocal effects in Maynard's vocals), like how the Rosetta Stone is, Rosetta Stoned is trying to decipher your experience while under the effect of psychedelics, it comes out as something a person needs to decipher to understand what the hell your trying to talk about.
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Yeah I think the Lateralus 'interludes' are the least offensive but like the Aenima and Fear Inoculum interludes (those are only on the deluxe edition thankfully) are almost laughably bad. Like an interlude track is usually the easiest thing to make because you can get away with just something ambient but then I think about something like 'die eier von satan' from Aenima and for me that short track on its own is enough to knock half a point off the overall score.
I love that musical satire track. It's meant to be all Nazi Style as if Hitler himself was talking to massive crowd of people. When in reality, it's just a guy reciting a recipe.
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Still amazes me how one person's "meandering" is another's bliss. Music is so unique in this regard. I would not change any second of this album--it's almost a spiritual experience--except for Chocolate Chip Trip.
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Mocking beat is clearly a joke though.
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Still amazes me how one person's "meandering" is another's bliss. Music is so unique in this regard. I would not change any second of this album--it's almost a spiritual experience--except for Chocolate Chip Trip.
Chocolate Chip Trip has to be Merkaba. They sound too similar.
I prefer Merkaba though, especially that ending. Although, Chocolate Chip Trip would be neat to see live.
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Chocolate Chip Trip is fun but also kinda weird. To me Tool always seemed like this serious and dour band who take themselves very seriously and Chocolate Chip Trip is like a fun quirky prog instrumental that feels more in line with something a band like DT - who goof around a bit more - would do.
I don't necessarily love it but it's a fun little track IMO.
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Just because I really like the Lost in Vegas guys. Their Tool - Pneuma video is one of the best reactions videos I've seen since they are getting it quickly and are 100% mind blown. Honestly they got that song much quicker than I ever did.
Anyway they revisit the song checking out the live video Tool posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRMmd62S84M
That live video is still the most insane drumming I ever seen. Can't think of anything else like it even after going through multiple progressive metal / rock live videos (ofc all Dream Theater ones).
I've watched a few of their reaction videos but hardly a big fan. This was cool though, and certainly made me have more of an appreciation for the Tool drummer, and what he can do. I had a search through after, looking to see if they'd done a Leprous reaction video, as I think they would be blown away by what Baard could do behind a kit. Doesn't look like they have, so I'm going to comment suggesting that for sure.
For anyone who has never seen Baard Kolstad drum, do yourself a favour and check out one of his videos, he is unbelievable. Try The Sky is Red drum video, just phoenomonal!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=taMqbmV7O7w (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=taMqbmV7O7w) check it!
I did go down a bit of a YouTube rabbit hole watching his videos after.
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Theres this one guy on YouTube who does really good pro shot/audio covers of TOOL songs on guitar and every time he does a new video
it's like " ah it's literally the same 5 riffs again " :D
You don't notice when you're just listening to the CDs - but seeing someone else play their songs just shows just how limited Adam is.
To say the rest of the band carry him is an understatement.
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Maybe that’s why it takes them so long to make albums
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Theres this one guy on YouTube who does really good pro shot/audio covers of TOOL songs on guitar and every time he does a new video
it's like " ah it's literally the same 5 riffs again " :D
You don't notice when you're just listening to the CDs - but seeing someone else play their songs just shows just how limited Adam is.
To say the rest of the band carry him is an understatement.
The guitars are not the focal point of Tool. They're a rhythm based band which the drums and bass are the focal points, and the timing and polyrhythms.
Adam is more interested in the Artwork aspect. He makes the creatures in all their videos, and it's like all he is doing is adding texture to the music like chiseling the finer points of a sculpture, and smoothing it out.
In a way they're like Mudvayne, another band that's a rhythm based band.
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I think Tool has a bunch of great guitar riffs so I don't really get the Adam hate personally. As for how their songs are constructed I think the repetition and slowly building and the rhythm section has always been the main focus and for me the lack of flashy guitar playing isn't Adam being a bad guitar player but it's just their music is designed to be that way. I think he does get to shine in 7empest though which is still one of the highlights on the album for me, maybe even my favorite song from it. But i think overall what makes Tool great is just how the 3 main players work together and giving each other room to shine when needed but also fill that support role.
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Yeah I think the Lateralus 'interludes' are the least offensive but like the Aenima and Fear Inoculum interludes (those are only on the deluxe edition thankfully) are almost laughably bad. Like an interlude track is usually the easiest thing to make because you can get away with just something ambient but then I think about something like 'die eier von satan' from Aenima and for me that short track on its own is enough to knock half a point off the overall score.
I love that musical satire track. It's meant to be all Nazi Style as if Hitler himself was talking to massive crowd of people. When in reality, it's just a guy reciting a recipe.
Exactly. Tool only started to make sense to me after understanding that some prerequisites are mandatory. One is to understand and have fun with debauchery.
Theres this one guy on YouTube who does really good pro shot/audio covers of TOOL songs on guitar and every time he does a new video
it's like " ah it's literally the same 5 riffs again " :D
You don't notice when you're just listening to the CDs - but seeing someone else play their songs just shows just how limited Adam is.
To say the rest of the band carry him is an understatement.
The guitars are not the focal point of Tool. They're a rhythm based band which the drums and bass are the focal points, and the timing and polyrhythms.
Adam is more interested in the Artwork aspect. He makes the creatures in all their videos, and it's like all he is doing is adding texture to the music like chiseling the finer points of a sculpture, and smoothing it out.
In a way they're like Mudvayne, another band that's a rhythm based band.
Yes, another one.
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I honestly don't get the hype for SevenEmpest. Maybe its cause I did a degree in guitar that I just notice all the flubs etc in the playing and the bad bends and what have you.
The 5 minute solo in SevenEmpest just sounds like when you're learning guitar and you learn a few licks and you jam with your friends and use up every trick you know on the guitar
and are just noodling around them over and over.
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7empest is one of my least favorites on the new album too. I don't know if I could describe the guitar work in the middle as bad, but it definitely didn't warrant taking up a third of the entire song.
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Since it's cloudy here and below 60°, I'm gonna try and listen to this album in full.
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I prefer the CD order without the segues.
Even if you get rid of the Drum Solo - it's just a 6 song album.
6 songs in 13 years is half a song a year.
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I honestly don't get the hype for SevenEmpest. Maybe its cause I did a degree in guitar that I just notice all the flubs etc in the playing and the bad bends and what have you.
The 5 minute solo in SevenEmpest just sounds like when you're learning guitar and you learn a few licks and you jam with your friends and use up every trick you know on the guitar
and are just noodling around them over and over.
I've played guitar for 20 years and it all sounds pretty fine to me. I don't hear anything off, it's just Adams style. I like the expression of everything he's doing. I've been wanting him to do something like this for a while. While he's not a technically great guitarist, he has a distinct sound and that sometimes is better and more beneficial to a band then being tecnically proficient.
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I dunno in Descending and 7empest there's definitely a couple of iffy notes.
There's that one glissando in 7empest I think it is - not sure which and he clearly slides to the wrong note because it's completely off - and he just hangs on it like ' yeah I meant to do that '.
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I dunno in Descending and 7empest there's definitely a couple of iffy notes.
There's that one glissando in 7empest I think it is - not sure which and he clearly slides to the wrong note because it's completely off - and he just hangs on it like ' yeah I meant to do that '.
I'll have to listen more closely. You're probably right, I'm probably letting some of it slide because I'm not expecting much from Adam in the first place, but I don't recall anything that makes me cringe. Again, I really enjoy Adam on this record so I could be bias. I'd have to pick up the guitar and noodle along to see what he's up to.
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I don't know, K-Boy. Tool's been around for thirty years now, and not once has Adam claimed nor have I ever heard anyone say that he's a great guitarist. It seems, at this point, that tuning in to Tool for guitar clinic is akin to insanity's definition. I can't imagine why anyone would listen, repeatedly, to something they don't enjoy or admire...and then find a place online to spend their time complaining about it. You're welcome to continue, of course, but I think you might be a more cheerful guy if you stuck with music you admire.
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I do like TOOL and since F.I. came out - i've seen plenty of "Adam Jones is AMAZING" posts both from people online and website articles.
If 5 minute guitar solos that stick rigidly to D minor pentatonic are AMAZING - maybe i''ll do more of them ;D ;D
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How has it aged for everyone in one year?
Still haven't heard it fully :corn
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How has it aged for everyone in one year?
Still haven't heard it fully :corn
Still prefer it to Ænima and undertow. The production is great. Every instrument really shines.
Pneuma is a great track. I wish it was a little less Tool By Numbers. Which is why I love Culling Voices.
If we’re counting just the six actual SONGS then 7empest is at the bottom of my ranking.
Really good album overall. But it shouldn’t have been 13 years. Especially with as much
recycling going on as there is.
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I dunno in Descending and 7empest there's definitely a couple of iffy notes.
There's that one glissando in 7empest I think it is - not sure which and he clearly slides to the wrong note because it's completely off - and he just hangs on it like ' yeah I meant to do that '.
Given that they spent several years to complete the record I find it hard to believe that they couldn't fix a wrong note, so maybe he really meant to do that?
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I do like TOOL and since F.I. came out - i've seen plenty of "Adam Jones is AMAZING" posts both from people online and website articles.
If 5 minute guitar solos that stick rigidly to D minor pentatonic are AMAZING - maybe i''ll do more of them ;D ;D
I think you may be missing the point at why people like Adam's work on this album.
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Fear Inoculum was released one year ago today! How has it aged for everyone in one year? I still have it comfortably at 3rd out of the 5 albums.
Depending on the day it could be my favorite Tool album. FI definitely took the longest to grow on me but I wonder if it's because I wasn't listening to Tool much leading up to the album. The album sounds the best out of all their albums and I think the song writing is tight and well done. Sad that it took them as long as it did to put it out.
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Fear Inoculum was released one year ago today! How has it aged for everyone in one year? I still have it comfortably at 3rd out of the 5 albums.
Depending on the day it could be my favorite Tool album. FI definitely took the longest to grow on me but I wonder if it's because I wasn't listening to Tool much leading up to the album. The album sounds the best out of all their albums and I think the song writing is tight and well done. Sad that it took them as long as it did to put it out.
After listening to it again, It is a really good album. It is a bit sad it took 12 years.
Pnuema is the best out of the bunch. It's a really good build up wise. The bass drums drive the song for me, and the Drums in general take the lead in the song, even having a drum solo with the bass as a foundation without guitar at all really.
Invincible has great Bass following the Drums, and the Vocal effects on the soft Ponce De Leon part sound cool.
I'm really enjoying the bass on this album, and the intro to Descending is awesome. I like the effect the bass, guitar and vocals give off in the "Free Fall...Infinte" section.
All these songs would be amazing live.
And those low notes in Legion Inoculant... :o :omg: Those were literally my eyes in my car.
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I love how Pneuma builds over the course of the song.
But the all out powerchords need more cymbals I think - first time that section happened - it felt a bit flat.
The section immediately after " Sun Becoming..."
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Culling Voices is my fave as like I said - it sounds the least Tool By Numbers on the album. And it doesn't instantly remind me of another Tool song.
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I still haven't downloaded the extended version of the album. I guess I should look into that. I have the download code and all.
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The album is on Spotify if you haven't heard the segues. They're nothing special.
MockingBeat is such a joke track.
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The album is on Spotify if you haven't heard the segues. They're nothing special.
MockingBeat is such a joke track.
I paid $120 for the CD so I have the unique code to download it. Just never bothered cause I love the album as it is.
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I wonder why they decided to shove the segues on and make it too long for a CD ?
Because it took so long ?
The album is just fine with just 7 tracks and it's still 80 mins - which is the usual length of a tool album more or less and would just about fit on a CD.
Even if it was just the six actual SONGS it's still 75 mins.
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I wonder why they decided to shove the segues on and make it too long for a CD ?
Because it took so long ?
The album is just fine with just 7 tracks and it's still 80 mins - which is the usual length of a tool album more or less and would just about fit on a CD.
Even if it was just the six actual SONGS it's still 75 mins.
Maybe a carrot for some to get the physical copy. Although as you said, the extra tracks are fully available regardless.
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I actually found it easier to listen to the album with the segue tracks.
Also this interview..
"Over-10-minute songs, those are big bites to chew, so we are always trying to mix it up, like, put some little tidbits. It's an opportunity for each and every one of us to do something in between before we have to go into another 13-minute extravaganza or whatever.
"So it was kind of, to me, like some of these old prog records, like, 'Okay, here's the intermission.' There's a lot of heavy shit, this record is, like, really a lot of sevens and stuff, so I wanted to put the time signature into seven and do the same sort of thing.
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/tool_producer_explains_meaning_of_chocolate_chip_trip_talks_what_kinda_sucked_about_making_the_album.html
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Yesterday I drove seven hours and I just put all TOOL albums in one playlist. And yes, I continuously listened through all of them.
Lateralus is such a beast of an album. Every time when you think there can't be more of this quality to follow, they shove another song like Tricks & Leeches or friggin Lateralus down your throat.
10.000 Days... wow... Rosetta Stoned is out of this world. That "Overwhelmed as one would be"-finale is just graceful. I don't even know how to describe this album. I still can't decide if this one or Fear Inoculum is my favourite Tool album.
I managed to roll onto my parking spot at home during the last 40 seconds of 7empest, perfect timing. My ears were ringing, but I just had to remain sitting for another minute or so, completely in awe :lol What a band.
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Yesterday I drove seven hours and I just put all TOOL albums in one playlist. And yes, I continuously listened through all of them.
Lateralus is such a beast of an album. Every time when you think there can't be more of this quality to follow, they shove another song like Tricks & Leeches or friggin Lateralus down your throat.
10.000 Days... wow... Rosetta Stoned is out of this world. That "Overwhelmed as one would be"-finale is just graceful. I don't even know how to describe this album. I still can't decide if this one or Fear Inoculum is my favourite Tool album.
I managed to roll onto my parking spot at home during the last 40 seconds of 7empest, perfect timing. My ears were ringing, but I just had to remain sitting for another minute or so, completely in awe :lol What a band.
Did you drive 7 hours just to listen to all Tool's albums?
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Yesterday I drove seven hours and I just put all TOOL albums in one playlist. And yes, I continuously listened through all of them.
Lateralus is such a beast of an album. Every time when you think there can't be more of this quality to follow, they shove another song like Tricks & Leeches or friggin Lateralus down your throat.
10.000 Days... wow... Rosetta Stoned is out of this world. That "Overwhelmed as one would be"-finale is just graceful. I don't even know how to describe this album. I still can't decide if this one or Fear Inoculum is my favourite Tool album.
I managed to roll onto my parking spot at home during the last 40 seconds of 7empest, perfect timing. My ears were ringing, but I just had to remain sitting for another minute or so, completely in awe :lol What a band.
Did you drive 7 hours just to listen to all Tool's albums?
I drove home from my holiday in Tirol :lol
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Yesterday I drove seven hours and I just put all TOOL albums in one playlist. And yes, I continuously listened through all of them.
Lateralus is such a beast of an album. Every time when you think there can't be more of this quality to follow, they shove another song like Tricks & Leeches or friggin Lateralus down your throat.
10.000 Days... wow... Rosetta Stoned is out of this world. That "Overwhelmed as one would be"-finale is just graceful. I don't even know how to describe this album. I still can't decide if this one or Fear Inoculum is my favourite Tool album.
I managed to roll onto my parking spot at home during the last 40 seconds of 7empest, perfect timing. My ears were ringing, but I just had to remain sitting for another minute or so, completely in awe :lol What a band.
Did you drive 7 hours just to listen to all Tool's albums?
I drove home from my holiday in Tirol :lol
Haha, just stirring. That would have been a fantastic, exhausting, intense drive mate.
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Haha, just stirring. That would have been a fantastic, exhausting, intense drive mate.
It would have felt like...
....
... wait for it...
.... A long time.
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Also is Fear Inoculum the weakest album opener ?
I think so.
After 13 years It was very underwhelming. Sounds like a Lateralus leftover.
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I like Fear Inoculum even though it's a bit of a slow burn. It doesn't beat Vicarious or The Grudge but I'd take it over Intolerance and I think maybe even Stinkfist - which I still love.
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Also is Fear Inoculum the weakest album opener ?
I think so.
After 13 years It was very underwhelming. Sounds like a Lateralus leftover.
Probably, but it's a grower.
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My ranking now after listening a few times
Culling Voices
Pneuma
Descending
Invincible
7empest
Fear Inoculum
Chocolate Chip Trip (Although it's neat to know Danny did it all in one take)
Also is Fear Inoculum the weakest album opener ?
I think so.
After 13 years It was very underwhelming. Sounds like a Lateralus leftover.
I'd say so. But it's good that they put the weakest track first, it just sucks it's 10 min long though.
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Honestly, I think Fear Inoculum is my favorite song on the album. Then again, I only really know this album, so I imagine the song is probably a lot different than what most TOOL fans would be used to.
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Honestly, I think Fear Inoculum is my favorite song on the album. Then again, I only really know this album, so I imagine the song is probably a lot different than what most TOOL fans would be used to.
That honor goes to Culling Voices...
Fear Inoculum sounds like Reflection from Lateralus
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My ranking now after listening a few times
Culling Voices
Pneuma
Descending
Invincible
7empest
Fear Inoculum
Chocolate Chip Trip (Although it's neat to know Danny did it all in one take)
Pretty similar...
Culling Voices
Pneuma
Invincible
Descending
Fear Inoculum
7empest
Choc Chip Trip
...By one take I assume he did more than one pass at it but did it in full each time.
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TOOL Album Openers
1. The Grudge - Nothing can beat the way this album / Track starts
2. Stinkfist - Almost as good. Weird almost mono production but great song
3. Vicarious. Stinkfist part 2 but with massive production
4. Intolerance
5. Fear Inoculum
6. Sweat
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Album Openers
The Grudge
Stinkfist
Vicarious
Intolerance
Sweat
Fear Inoculum
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The Grudge is really their greatest album opener. And one of the greatest openers I know. Whenever I listen through this song I have to laugh and say to myself "well, this was only the friggin opener, let's see how the band manages to keep up with this level during the next 70 minutes" :lol
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I think as an album opener I would rate The Grudge over Vicarious but just as a stand alone song Vicarious is better IMO. It has maybe their best main riff for me and it's in my top3 Tool songs and might only be beaten by the title track on Lateralus.
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Gibson announce the ADAM JONES AGED SILVERBURST CUSTOM LES PAUL signature. $6,000
If EPIPHONE do a version I might look into it because I really really really want a Les Paul Custom in Silverburst but not for £6k
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This is a beautiful looking guitar. But I'm more of a lead player than a rhythm/riff player like Adam, so I won't buy this one.
Also, I don't have 6000 fucking dollars.
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If they do an EPIPHONE one i'll look at it - but i'm still hoping Epiphone do a 2021 Inspired By Gibson Les Paul Custom in Silverburst
because the 2020 Inspired by Gibson Epiphones are stunning. New headstock - upgraded look and specs. They're gorgeous.
so it's like a brand new Gibson without the faded-to-green vibe.
I messaged Epiphone on their instagram if they were doing this and they replied
" Be patient....we promise..."
Which is either a hint about the Adam Jones sig or they are doing a Silverburst Custom based on a Gibson.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ukDsv3pweo
New Adam Jones short film to launch is new Gibson Signature Les Paul...
* Features new TOOL music.
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WOW the new song and the new guitar!!
https://youtu.be/0ukDsv3pweo
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That was pretty cool!
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I literally posted the same link above you...
AND posted the pic of the guitar on this same page.....
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ukDsv3pweo
New Adam Jones short film to launch is new Gibson Signature Les Paul...
* Features new TOOL music.
Sweet ill have to give this a listen tomorrow. As for the guitar is pretty nice but I've never been a Gibson fan, more of a PRS/Strat guy.
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I didn't like Strats until I got one ( charity shop find, fender copy, no name on it )...
But I don't like how PRS sound... If I saw one stupidly cheap i'd obvs buy it though.
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That's was a unique way to promote a guitar and introduce a new song and music video.
The beginning with the astronaut is like telling the story of searching for the wood for the body of the guitar, the Forrest within the Guitar Build.
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Listened again today. Really nice instrumental. Kind of pulls you in.
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I saw a guitar cover of it on YouTube. It literally is only one riff for 7 minutes.
Typical tool :P
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I follow a guitar player on YouTube who does TOOL covers. And it really is comical just how uncreative and repetitive Adam Jones is. He literally uses the same 5 ideas in every single song.
;D ;D
Like he'll do a TOOL song from Ænema - and the exact riff from the intro to Pneuma is there.
I think he's just an SFX guy who plays a bit of guitar on the side who ended up in a band with musicians who run circles around him.
Does he think people won't notice he plays the same thing again and again and again - or does he not care ? It's very strange.
Also I get that his role is more textural in TOOL - but play in a different key once in a while for goodness sake.
Every single song ( bar a handful at most ) are Drop D and the exact same
0 3 5
0 3 5
progression. Very very occasionally he'll come up with something interesting like the entire intro to Invincible.
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It's like he views playing guitar as another form of art. :biggrin:
Tool is a rhythm based band where the roles of the instruments are reversed and non-traditional. The drums are the lead, playing polyrhythms, odd time signatures, and odd meters. The bass also plays a bit of a lead role, while keeping that groove and the timing on point. The guitar is more of that sonic soundscape and atmosphere and has more of a Special Effects role. the vocals are more of a backbone, and help keep a melody that plays along with the drums.
The one song where this is heard is Intention. It's basically one giant drum solo, with nice atmosphere in the guitar, while the bass keeps that rhythmic harmony. I like how this song has this electronic vibe, and goes well with the lyrics, hinting at how we humans are like apes, almost like the ones in 2001: A Space Odyssey, with the discovery of Technology.
I don't mind that at all, because he has created some amazing soundscapes with the guitar. I hear it more in 10,000 days. And I quite enjoy what he has done and created in terms of sound and atmosphere.
At times, I think he does those 0-3-5 riffs, just to keep time for Danny and Justin to do some lead parts and jam away. :biggrin:
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I follow a guitar player on YouTube who does TOOL covers. And it really is comical just how uncreative and repetitive Adam Jones is. He literally uses the same 5 ideas in every single song.
;D ;D
Like he'll do a TOOL song from Ænema - and the exact riff from the intro to Pneuma is there.
I think he's just an SFX guy who plays a bit of guitar on the side who ended up in a band with musicians who run circles around him.
Does he think people won't notice he plays the same thing again and again and again - or does he not care ? It's very strange.
Also I get that his role is more textural in TOOL - but play in a different key once in a while for goodness sake.
Every single song ( bar a handful at most ) are Drop D and the exact same
0 3 5
0 3 5
progression. Very very occasionally he'll come up with something interesting like the entire intro to Invincible.
Yet they are one of the most popular and well respected metal bands of the last 25 years. Go figure.
Their songs are amazing, it doesn't matter how simple they are in technicality.
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Does he think people won't notice he plays the same thing again and again and again - or does he not care ?
Why not both?
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Does he think people won't notice he plays the same thing again and again and again - or does he not care ?
Why not both?
Indeed!
I know I don't care. Their music is amazing and they are a top 5 band of all time for me.
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Kotow are you referring to this guy who does covers? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3K1SUa91ck
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No Reap his name is Max Niessl and he gets the playing and tone Spot On. He's really forensic about it as well.
He only uploads like once a month but it's always good production value.
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Does he think people won't notice he plays the same thing again and again and again - or does he not care ?
Why not both?
Indeed!
I know I don't care. Their music is amazing and they are a top 5 band of all time for me.
It doesn't ruin the music - Heck I love Green Day and they've made a career out of G D A - but it is funny to see the same 5 riffs in every song. :)
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It doesn't ruin the music - Heck I love Green Day and they've made a career out of G D A - but it is funny to see the same 5 riffs in every song. :)
Yeah, that's my stance on it as well. My friend and I have joked about it since 10,000 days. 0 3 5 on the low D string then 3 5 on the A string is known as the "Tool progression" between us. :biggrin:
While it's easy to call Adam Jones lazy for it (and there's some guitar lines on Fear Innoculum that feel particularly lazy to me), another part of me is impressed at how much a single artist can get out of just a few notes. I noticed that recently with Godspeed You! Black Emperor as well- I think every single song from their first two releases uses the same key/scale for all the melodic lines, yet it doesn't get old.
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And the long intro to invincible proves he can do other stuff if he tries. After 13 years it shouldn't have been that formulaic.
When I first heard Vicarious I was like Oh it's just Stinkfist again & Fear Inoculum (song) was like - hmm. this sounds like x y and z TOOL song...
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When I first heard Vicarious I was like Oh it's just Stinkfist again
Hey, Stinkfist is one of the few Tool songs that isn't in D!
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It's like he views playing guitar as another form of art. :biggrin:
Tool is a rhythm based band where the roles of the instruments are reversed and non-traditional. The drums are the lead, playing polyrhythms, odd time signatures, and odd meters. The bass also plays a bit of a lead role, while keeping that groove and the timing on point. The guitar is more of that sonic soundscape and atmosphere and has more of a Special Effects role. the vocals are more of a backbone, and help keep a melody that plays along with the drums.
The one song where this is heard is Intention. It's basically one giant drum solo, with nice atmosphere in the guitar, while the bass keeps that rhythmic harmony. I like how this song has this electronic vibe, and goes well with the lyrics, hinting at how we humans are like apes, almost like the ones in 2001: A Space Odyssey, with the discovery of Technology.
I don't mind that at all, because he has created some amazing soundscapes with the guitar. I hear it more in 10,000 days. And I quite enjoy what he has done and created in terms of sound and atmosphere.
At times, I think he does those 0-3-5 riffs, just to keep time for Danny and Justin to do some lead parts and jam away. :biggrin:
You have described what gives a total uniqueness to Tool.
Put a "normal guitar player" there and the band will look more like ... well, all the rest.
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When I first heard Vicarious I was like Oh it's just Stinkfist again
Hey, Stinkfist is one of the few Tool songs that isn't in D!
It's in E but it's still tuned to D ;D
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I just saw this pic of Tom Morello and Adam Jones as teens. I didn't know they knew each other way back when.
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Well Adam Jones has been ripping off the Killing In The Name of riff ever since ;D
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Never thought I'd see Adam Jones smiling :lol
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I just saw this pic of Tom Morello and Adam Jones as teens. I didn't know they knew each other way back when.
Back when Fear Inoculum was being promoted prior to release, Adam Jones did his first podcast guest appearance with Chris Jericho and the two talk about that and Jericho plugs in Mike Portnoy in the interview at some point as well. It's a great podcast.
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Yeah if I’m not mistaken Jones and Morello moved from Chicago to LA together where they started their bands.
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I just saw this pic of Tom Morello and Adam Jones as teens. I didn't know they knew each other way back when.
I'm pretty sure I had that Kiss poster.
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Yeah if I’m not mistaken Jones and Morello moved from Chicago to LA together where they started their bands.
That's about right. They were both raised in Libertyville and attended the same high school. Tom's Mom was Adam's homeroom teacher.
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Yeah if I’m not mistaken Jones and Morello moved from Chicago to LA together where they started their bands.
That's about right. They were both raised in Libertyville and attended the same high school. Tom's Mom was Adam's homeroom teacher.
Yup. Are you from Chicago yourself?
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In all honesty it could be ANYTHING.
Maynard announcing a new wine flavour / Tool START the next album ? :facepalm:
The next album blatantly wont be out til 2011.
Aenima 96 - Lateralus 01 - 10,000 Days 06
I was only EIGHT years out!!! I posted this 10 years before the album actually arrived :rollin
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Yeah if I’m not mistaken Jones and Morello moved from Chicago to LA together where they started their bands.
That's about right. They were both raised in Libertyville and attended the same high school. Tom's Mom was Adam's homeroom teacher.
Yup. Are you from Chicago yourself?
Sorry, just saw this now. Missed this a month ago somehow.
Chicago-area native born and bred. Been here all my life.
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Yeah if I’m not mistaken Jones and Morello moved from Chicago to LA together where they started their bands.
That's about right. They were both raised in Libertyville and attended the same high school. Tom's Mom was Adam's homeroom teacher.
Yup. Are you from Chicago yourself?
Sorry, just saw this now. Missed this a month ago somehow.
Chicago-area native born and bred. Been here all my life.
Why is this so accurate for this thread? :lol
In all honesty it could be ANYTHING.
Maynard announcing a new wine flavour / Tool START the next album ? :facepalm:
The next album blatantly wont be out til 2011.
Aenima 96 - Lateralus 01 - 10,000 Days 06
I was only EIGHT years out!!! I posted this 10 years before the album actually arrived :rollin
So what's your take on the release of Tool #6? :lol
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Yeah if I’m not mistaken Jones and Morello moved from Chicago to LA together where they started their bands.
That's about right. They were both raised in Libertyville and attended the same high school. Tom's Mom was Adam's homeroom teacher.
Yup. Are you from Chicago yourself?
Sorry, just saw this now. Missed this a month ago somehow.
Chicago-area native born and bred. Been here all my life.
Why is this so accurate for this thread? :lol
Well played! :rollin
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So what's your take on the release of Tool #6? :lol
If you mean Fear Inoculum I rate it lower than 10,000 Days and Lateralus but higher than Undertow, opiate and Ænima.
But as for the 13 year gap. It's ridiculous and part of me thinks they did it deliberately.
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Yeah if I’m not mistaken Jones and Morello moved from Chicago to LA together where they started their bands.
That's about right. They were both raised in Libertyville and attended the same high school. Tom's Mom was Adam's homeroom teacher.
Yup. Are you from Chicago yourself?
Sorry, just saw this now. Missed this a month ago somehow.
Chicago-area native born and bred. Been here all my life.
Same here man
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So what's your take on the release of Tool #6? :lol
If you mean Fear Inoculum I rate it lower than 10,000 Days and Lateralus but higher than Undertow, opiate and Ænima.
But as for the 13 year gap. It's ridiculous and part of me thinks they did it deliberately.
I actually think there is a lot more about those Lawsuits then we know. I could the lawsuits as a reason for why they couldn't make an album. At least they had other hobbies and projects to occupy them in the meantime.
Maynard chose to do all these projects on the side and start his own, Puscifer.
Danny plays local shows, and I mostly see him posting stuff about playing at the baked potato.
I do not know what Justin does.
And Adam has his Special Effects work to do, which I feel is his main priority and concern, due to how his guitar work is in Fear Inoculum.
These legal situations are known inspirations for the song lyrics of "Ticks and Leeches" and "The Pot". One deals with those involved in why there is a lawsuit, and the other is about the kangaroo courts and how they're basically calling the kettle black. Both of these relate to what the band has gone through with these lawsuits.
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There was also a story circulating for awhile that the music was nearly finished years ago, and then there was a some sort of computer crash and all the files were destroyed resulting in them having to start over again from scratch.
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There was also a story circulating for awhile that the music was nearly finished years ago, and then there was a some sort of computer crash and all the files were destroyed resulting in them having to start over again from scratch.
I remember hearing about that. I could see that happening and Tool just had to be fortunate to be the chosen ones. :biggrin:
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From what I heard later on - it was actually a tiny fire and nothing serious. But being TOOL they probably over exaggerated it as a reason the album was delayed.
I mean - they only had the one copy and NO backups ?!
Whatever.
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From what I heard later on - it was actually a tiny fire and nothing serious. But being TOOL they probably over exaggerated it as a reason the album was delayed.
I mean - they only had the one copy and NO backups ?!
Whatever.
I'm with you there. My digital music collection is double backed up. I have my main storage hard drive in my PC, then a powered 5.25in USB backup drive and a 2.5in USB drive. With over 30,000 songs, you can't be too careful. No excuse for not having at least one backup in this day and age. I can suffer 2 failures and still be okay.
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If i remember rightly - Danny had a candle on his floor tom and he forgot about it. And the floor tom skin melted. End of.
But of course it became " our entire studio burned to the ground and the one computer which had our new album on was totalled so we had to start all over again ! "
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There was also a story circulating for awhile that the music was nearly finished years ago, and then there was a some sort of computer crash and all the files were destroyed resulting in them having to start over again from scratch.
I remember hearing about that. I could see that happening and Tool just had to be fortunate to be the chosen ones. :biggrin:
Sounds like the story of Kirk Hammett losing his phone in a cab that had "hundreds" of original ideas. :lol
I don't really begrudge that Tool took so long to release new material. I would obviously love more and frequent music releases from them but if they don't want to do they don't have to do it. Tool are in a unique position where they can release music when and if they want. Unlike 99% of bands out there they can continue to sell shows playing the same material over
and over so they have the luxury to take as long as they want. As a consumer I have the luxury of choosing whether I want to support them or not. There is no fiscal need for them to ever release another album.
I did find it annoying that constantly strung the fans along with snippets they would give during interviews, I wish they would just say "Nah got nothing on the horizon"
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And Adam has his Special Effects work to do, which I feel is his main priority and concern, due to how his guitar work is in Fear Inoculum.
I don't think Adam Jones has done any special effect work since the early 90's (Tool videos excepted). Justin Chancellor owned a small shop for some years, but it closed in 2008.
And this point, they probably all have enough money to live confortably until their death without doing no new music at all, abd by only touring once in a while.
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I think the only one who is really busy is Maynard with his vineyard, restaurants, and other side projects. He is the last piece of the puzzle though when it comes to Tool. The music is usually delivered to him when it's nearly complete to write vocals for so he is just waiting for the other guys to get the music written.
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After a recent re-visit, I am still pleasently surprised by how much I enjoy Fear Inoculum—it's a super solid album.
I'd probably rank it third (behind 'Lateralus' and 'Aenima'), but I enjoy their whol catalog, and don't find a ton of drop-off from 'best' to 'worst'
As for the wait, I do not begrudge them one bit. The older you get, the more time becomes a commodity, and as a fan, I'm a firm believe of the whole 'they don't owe me anything' mentality. Happy to have the music I have, and will be happy to have more if/when it comes, but what does or does not happen in the future does not impact my present enjoyment.
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^^^ That's kind of me, generally. Why wish for something you don't have (and have no say in getting it) when you can enjoy what you do have (and have to do nothing to get it).
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Still in awe of the album. It's my favorite of theirs.
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Lateralus is still the best but F.I. is pretty good. The production is pristine. My bro complained that it doesn't have much punch to it. But i'd rather
it sound slightly thinner and have complete separation than being way too compressed, claustrophobic, ear fatigue inducing and clipped to death.
Every instrument sounds great. Lacklustre guitar solos aside. Every instrument shines.
I'd be interested to know it's DRM ( CD version ) as it sounds quite spacious.
However I think the 6 song version which is literally just the songs ( no segues or drum solo ) is the best version and it's STILL 75 minutes long.
Which is plenty long enough. Since there is no Bog Standard 1 cd jewel case version I just bought it from iTunes.
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...Oh and SevenEmPest is really nothing special at all. I do not get the love for it. It's a 16 minute jam with a couple of good riffs and a L O T of padding / pissing about.
And Adam just isn't good enough to pull off a 5 minute guitar solo.
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Lateralus is still the best but F.I. is pretty good. The production is pristine. My bro complained that it doesn't have much punch to it. But i'd rather
it sound slightly thinner and have complete separation than being way too compressed, claustrophobic, ear fatigue inducing and clipped to death.
Every instrument sounds great. Lacklustre guitar solos aside. Every instrument shines.
I'd be interested to know it's DRM ( CD version ) as it sounds quite spacious.
However I think the 6 song version which is literally just the songs ( no segues or drum solo ) is the best version and it's STILL 75 minutes long.
Which is plenty long enough. Since there is no Bog Standard 1 cd jewel case version I just bought it from iTunes.
That's the thing with Tool too, their album packaging is a part of the art, and they tend to use different styles of art in each one. Aenima hasvthose motion pictures with the plastic on the cover so you can switch out the pictures and make them moveable. Lateralus has the layered Human Anatomy booklet, with 'GOD' written in the brains flesh. 10,000 days has the 3D glasses, I can't remember what those are called, and I actually chose to cut up the book down the middle on each page, and some of those combinations actually look cool in 3D spliced together.
Fear Inoculum was meant to have that video screen on there, as that is the next evolution of the art packaging for cd's. The only thing I don't like about is the fragility of handling the package, and the need to charge it. Other than I think it's a pretty neat design.
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If they bought out a standard CD version with a hardback cover like 10,000 Days I might have gotten it.
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After a recent re-visit, I am still pleasently surprised by how much I enjoy Fear Inoculum—it's a super solid album.
I'd probably rank it third (behind 'Lateralus' and 'Aenima'), but I enjoy their whol catalog, and don't find a ton of drop-off from 'best' to 'worst'
As for the wait, I do not begrudge them one bit. The older you get, the more time becomes a commodity, and as a fan, I'm a firm believe of the whole 'they don't owe me anything' mentality. Happy to have the music I have, and will be happy to have more if/when it comes, but what does or does not happen in the future does not impact my present enjoyment.
I'm with you on all this. FI is glorious. Worth the wait IMO.
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I'm in the "Not as good as it should have been considering the wait" camp.
It's only 6 songs. A Drum solo and a segue is not a song. Granted it's still 75 mins of music. But still. 13 years for 6 songs.
But the segues ( apart from mockingbeat which is obviously a joke ) are better than most of Aenimas pointless filler tracks.
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I'm in the "Not as good as it should have been considering the wait" camp.
It's only 6 songs. A Drum solo and a segue is not a song. Granted it's still 75 mins of music. But still. 13 years for 6 songs.
But the segues ( apart from mockingbeat which is obviously a joke ) are better than most of Aenimas pointless filler tracks.
So the longer the wait, the better the album should be? I can't get on board with this thinking personally. We will never know how much of those 13 years were spent on the album, which for my thinking makes the argument kinď of invalid. They might have come up with the whole thing in 6 months and did nothing for 12 and a half years, we just don't know.
I never once thought when listening that they could have done more after 13 years. I'm just pleased with the album regardless of how long it's been between drinks. Met all my expectations and more truthfully.
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If they bought out a standard CD version with a hardback cover like 10,000 Days I might have gotten it.
I don't know your reasoning but I too was holding out for a standard CD.
In Sweden the first edition, that withthe screen was about 10 times more expensive than a standard CD. I just could not support that.
But then they released the book edition which while more expensive than a standard CD was more humanley priced. Say 3 times that of a standard.
Bought that and I am very glad that I did. I have a few CDs in the same format and love the book feel of it.
Beautiful edition and a very nice album.
It can't touch Lateralus, but then what album can?
It is still a really good album.
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If they bought out a standard CD version with a hardback cover like 10,000 Days I might have gotten it.
It can't touch Lateralus, but then what album can?
Only 2 albums..... Marillion's Marbles and Moonsorrow's Verisakeet.
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Lateralus is still the best but F.I. is pretty good. The production is pristine. My bro complained that it doesn't have much punch to it. But i'd rather
it sound slightly thinner and have complete separation than being way too compressed, claustrophobic, ear fatigue inducing and clipped to death.
Every instrument sounds great. Lacklustre guitar solos aside. Every instrument shines.
I'd be interested to know it's DRM ( CD version ) as it sounds quite spacious.
However I think the 6 song version which is literally just the songs ( no segues or drum solo ) is the best version and it's STILL 75 minutes long.
Which is plenty long enough. Since there is no Bog Standard 1 cd jewel case version I just bought it from iTunes.
That's the thing with Tool too, their album packaging is a part of the art, and they tend to use different styles of art in each one. Aenima hasvthose motion pictures with the plastic on the cover so you can switch out the pictures and make them moveable. Lateralus has the layered Human Anatomy booklet, with 'GOD' written in the brains flesh. 10,000 days has the 3D glasses, I can't remember what those are called, and I actually chose to cut up the book down the middle on each page, and some of those combinations actually look cool in 3D spliced together.
Fear Inoculum was meant to have that video screen on there, as that is the next evolution of the art packaging for cd's. The only thing I don't like about is the fragility of handling the package, and the need to charge it. Other than I think it's a pretty neat design.
I still haven't heard it, and that's at least in part due to the packaging. I have all of Tool's discography other than the video sets (Salival, Schism, etc.) and I would get this normally, but I'm not paying $40 US minimum for something that doesn't have an "artist support" element (and I'm not huge on downloads). Yeah, maybe at some point I'll get it, but it'll 95% be on the aftermarket and at a discount.
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I splurged on the first edition with the video and paid 120 bucks. Worth every cent.
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Lateralus is still the best but F.I. is pretty good. The production is pristine. My bro complained that it doesn't have much punch to it. But i'd rather
it sound slightly thinner and have complete separation than being way too compressed, claustrophobic, ear fatigue inducing and clipped to death.
Every instrument sounds great. Lacklustre guitar solos aside. Every instrument shines.
I'd be interested to know it's DRM ( CD version ) as it sounds quite spacious.
However I think the 6 song version which is literally just the songs ( no segues or drum solo ) is the best version and it's STILL 75 minutes long.
Which is plenty long enough. Since there is no Bog Standard 1 cd jewel case version I just bought it from iTunes.
That's the thing with Tool too, their album packaging is a part of the art, and they tend to use different styles of art in each one. Aenima hasvthose motion pictures with the plastic on the cover so you can switch out the pictures and make them moveable. Lateralus has the layered Human Anatomy booklet, with 'GOD' written in the brains flesh. 10,000 days has the 3D glasses, I can't remember what those are called, and I actually chose to cut up the book down the middle on each page, and some of those combinations actually look cool in 3D spliced together.
Fear Inoculum was meant to have that video screen on there, as that is the next evolution of the art packaging for cd's. The only thing I don't like about is the fragility of handling the package, and the need to charge it. Other than I think it's a pretty neat design.
I still haven't heard it, and that's at least in part due to the packaging. I have all of Tool's discography other than the video sets (Salival, Schism, etc.) and I would get this normally, but I'm not paying $40 US minimum for something that doesn't have an "artist support" element (and I'm not huge on downloads). Yeah, maybe at some point I'll get it, but it'll 95% be on the aftermarket and at a discount.
For what it's worth, (not sure if you've heard it), but there's a cover of 'No Quarter' on Salival that is, hand's down, one of the best freaking Zep covers I've ever heard. Dare I say, I like it more than the original—and I am a HUGE Zep fan, so that's not an easy thing for me to type.
For that song alone, I would pick up Salival if you come across it.
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I splurged on the first edition with the video and paid 120 bucks. Worth every cent.
Wow, why so much?! Aftermarket price?
I paid just under $40 on Amazon for the first version with the trippy video. It's not an awful packaging, actually I quite liked it. The artwork on the packaging and in the booklet is quite striking! Glad I got it when I did.
-Marc.
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Lateralus is still the best but F.I. is pretty good. The production is pristine. My bro complained that it doesn't have much punch to it. But i'd rather
it sound slightly thinner and have complete separation than being way too compressed, claustrophobic, ear fatigue inducing and clipped to death.
Every instrument sounds great. Lacklustre guitar solos aside. Every instrument shines.
I'd be interested to know it's DRM ( CD version ) as it sounds quite spacious.
However I think the 6 song version which is literally just the songs ( no segues or drum solo ) is the best version and it's STILL 75 minutes long.
Which is plenty long enough. Since there is no Bog Standard 1 cd jewel case version I just bought it from iTunes.
That's the thing with Tool too, their album packaging is a part of the art, and they tend to use different styles of art in each one. Aenima hasvthose motion pictures with the plastic on the cover so you can switch out the pictures and make them moveable. Lateralus has the layered Human Anatomy booklet, with 'GOD' written in the brains flesh. 10,000 days has the 3D glasses, I can't remember what those are called, and I actually chose to cut up the book down the middle on each page, and some of those combinations actually look cool in 3D spliced together.
Fear Inoculum was meant to have that video screen on there, as that is the next evolution of the art packaging for cd's. The only thing I don't like about is the fragility of handling the package, and the need to charge it. Other than I think it's a pretty neat design.
I still haven't heard it, and that's at least in part due to the packaging. I have all of Tool's discography other than the video sets (Salival, Schism, etc.) and I would get this normally, but I'm not paying $40 US minimum for something that doesn't have an "artist support" element (and I'm not huge on downloads). Yeah, maybe at some point I'll get it, but it'll 95% be on the aftermarket and at a discount.
For what it's worth, (not sure if you've heard it), but there's a cover of 'No Quarter' on Salival that is, hand's down, one of the best freaking Zep covers I've ever heard. Dare I say, I like it more than the original—and I am a HUGE Zep fan, so that's not an easy thing for me to type.
For that song alone, I would pick up Salival if you come across it.
I'll step up my efforts; that's right up my alley!
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The expanded book edition is going for $24 on Amazon right now. Best price I have seen on that.
I have the video screen version. One of the few bands I would splurge like that on.
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Lateralus is still the best but F.I. is pretty good. The production is pristine. My bro complained that it doesn't have much punch to it. But i'd rather
it sound slightly thinner and have complete separation than being way too compressed, claustrophobic, ear fatigue inducing and clipped to death.
Every instrument sounds great. Lacklustre guitar solos aside. Every instrument shines.
I'd be interested to know it's DRM ( CD version ) as it sounds quite spacious.
However I think the 6 song version which is literally just the songs ( no segues or drum solo ) is the best version and it's STILL 75 minutes long.
Which is plenty long enough. Since there is no Bog Standard 1 cd jewel case version I just bought it from iTunes.
That's the thing with Tool too, their album packaging is a part of the art, and they tend to use different styles of art in each one. Aenima hasvthose motion pictures with the plastic on the cover so you can switch out the pictures and make them moveable. Lateralus has the layered Human Anatomy booklet, with 'GOD' written in the brains flesh. 10,000 days has the 3D glasses, I can't remember what those are called, and I actually chose to cut up the book down the middle on each page, and some of those combinations actually look cool in 3D spliced together.
Fear Inoculum was meant to have that video screen on there, as that is the next evolution of the art packaging for cd's. The only thing I don't like about is the fragility of handling the package, and the need to charge it. Other than I think it's a pretty neat design.
I still haven't heard it, and that's at least in part due to the packaging. I have all of Tool's discography other than the video sets (Salival, Schism, etc.) and I would get this normally, but I'm not paying $40 US minimum for something that doesn't have an "artist support" element (and I'm not huge on downloads). Yeah, maybe at some point I'll get it, but it'll 95% be on the aftermarket and at a discount.
For what it's worth, (not sure if you've heard it), but there's a cover of 'No Quarter' on Salival that is, hand's down, one of the best freaking Zep covers I've ever heard. Dare I say, I like it more than the original—and I am a HUGE Zep fan, so that's not an easy thing for me to type.
For that song alone, I would pick up Salival if you come across it.
I'll step up my efforts; that's right up my alley!
Would love to get Salival but it's really expensive on discogs
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Yes, it is.
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I splurged on the first edition with the video and paid 120 bucks. Worth every cent.
Wow, why so much?! Aftermarket price?
I paid just under $40 on Amazon for the first version with the trippy video. It's not an awful packaging, actually I quite liked it. The artwork on the packaging and in the booklet is quite striking! Glad I got it when I did.
-Marc.
This was when it came out. It was originally 150, but there was a 20% sale on.
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I splurged on the first edition with the video and paid 120 bucks. Worth every cent.
Wow, why so much?! Aftermarket price?
I paid just under $40 on Amazon for the first version with the trippy video. It's not an awful packaging, actually I quite liked it. The artwork on the packaging and in the booklet is quite striking! Glad I got it when I did.
-Marc.
This was when it came out. It was originally 150, but there was a 20% sale on.
Is that the price it was sold originally in Australia? Because I bought it in Target for $40 too when Amazon and Walmart were sold out.
EDIT: Goddamn quote pyramid
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I did a pre-order and I think they were being sold at a much lower price. I want to say that I got mine for around 40 bucks.
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I splurged on the first edition with the video and paid 120 bucks. Worth every cent.
Is that the price it was sold originally in Australia? Because I bought it in Target for $40 too when Amazon and Walmart were sold out.
Wow, why so much?! Aftermarket price?
I paid just under $40 on Amazon for the first version with the trippy video. It's not an awful packaging, actually I quite liked it. The artwork on the packaging and in the booklet is quite striking! Glad I got it when I did.
-Marc.
This was when it came out. It was originally 150, but there was a 20% sale on.
Yeah, as far as I know that was the going rate over here. Pretty steep.
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Wolfy is correct, in fact my local JB still has it for $150, I don't anyone is paying that much for it.
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Wolfy is correct, in fact my local JB still has it for $150, I don't anyone is paying that much for it.
I've saw bugger all copies around. When I bought it the store had I think 4, but after that, I don't think I ever saw them again, and I venture to a lot of JB's around the Brisbane south side area.
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There would have to be some super special reason for me to pay over £30 for an ALBUM. I always try to get a special edition of an album if there is one . Sometimes the Vinyl instead.
But - some people are nuts. Like - I was reading the Metallica Forum just after HTSD was released and some guy bought TEN copies of the 3CD edition. TEN.
For HIMSELF. I don't get that. I plan on getting METALLICA (2021) on Cd Digipak for my collection and the vinyl for maximum audio quality (because its The Black Album Remastered!)
But that's it. I think the most i've ever spent on ONE album is £40 which was the Astonishing 4LP Box. Because it was reduced from £80 or something and it looks good in the box.
But to spend anywhere approaching £150 on one album ? Nope. Not gonna happen.
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There would have to be some super special reason for me to pay over £30 for an ALBUM. I always try to get a special edition of an album if there is one . Sometimes the Vinyl instead.
But - some people are nuts. Like - I was reading the Metallica Forum just after HTSD was released and some guy bought TEN copies of the 3CD edition. TEN.
For HIMSELF. I don't get that. I plan on getting METALLICA (2021) on Cd Digipak for my collection and the vinyl for maximum audio quality (because its The Black Album Remastered!)
But that's it. I think the most i've ever spent on ONE album is £40 which was the Astonishing 4LP Box. Because it was reduced from £80 or something and it looks good in the box.
But to spend anywhere approaching £150 on one album ? Nope. Not gonna happen.
150 Australian dollars. That would have been about 80 pounds. But I paid 120 dollars so about 65 pounds.
I don't drink, smoke, or go out eating and things like that so paying a bit more for some albums I really want is my pleasure and can easily budget for it. It's not a regular thing but FI was a special occasion.
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Same here regarding frivolous spending. Because of the last 18 months i'm not in a great place financially obviously but I do have a full time job so i'm not in any real danger
but to spend that much money in one go is a no-no. Unless it's a new part for my bike for instance which is a necessity to get to work.
This is a bit of a non-sequiter but I see the younger peeps at work - buying a meal from the restaurant every day. And even with our 50% discount
it's still not cheap. And this is every day. :( I'd rather put it aside and get something I really want.
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Same here regarding frivolous spending. Because of the last 18 months i'm not in a great place financially obviously but I do have a full time job so i'm not in any real danger
but to spend that much money in one go is a no-no. Unless it's a new part for my bike for instance which is a necessity to get to work.
This is a bit of a non-sequiter but I see the younger peeps at work - buying a meal from the restaurant every day. And even with our 50% discount
it's still not cheap. And this is every day. :( I'd rather put it aside and get something I really want.
That just depends what position you are in and it's great to be like that. I'm like that most of the time, but you have to spoil yourself sometimes if you can.
I understand what you mean about the young guys buying food. My young staff go out and buy lunch every shift. They hardly ever bring something quick and cheap from home. It blows my mind.
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I am the same here don't drink (alcohol or coffee), smoke, gamble, go out partying, no kids, divorced and have a pretty well paid job.
But there is a limited to what I'll pay for an album, although I do like fancy box sets :metal
The most I've ever paid is the Moonsorrow https://www.discogs.com/Moonsorrow-Heritage-1995-2008-The-Collected-Works-Splatter-Edition/release/6137841
box set which I bought new from Blood Music all up cost me around $650 AU and is worth every cent.
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Ya know….I guess I just look at it as my hobby. I mean, if you’re into golf, how much money do you spend on golf? If you’re really into hunting, how much money do you spend on guns/ammo? If you’re SUPER into fishing, how much do you spend on gear? Or your boat?
All of these things people spend money on…there are others who think you’re completely wasting your time and money.
I don’t buy every expensive boxed set I want, and I’m certainly not rich. But I’m fortunate enough to be in a very small diminishing class that we call “middle”. And my physical music collection is my thing. Like golf, or hunting, or fishing is for lots of guys. And I probably spend as much (more likely a bit less) on my hobby as they do theirs.
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Ya know….I guess I just look at it as my hobby. I mean, if you’re into golf, how much money do you spend on golf? If you’re really into hunting, how much money do you spend on guns/ammo? If you’re SUPER into fishing, how much do you spend on gear? Or your boat?
All of these things people spend money on…there are others who think you’re completely wasting your time and money.
I don’t buy every expensive boxed set I want, and I’m certainly not rich. But I’m fortunate enough to be in a very small diminishing class that we call “middle”. And my physical music collection is my thing. Like golf, or hunting, or fishing is for lots of guys. And I probably spend as much (more likely a bit less) on my hobby as they do theirs.
Amen.
Music is my primary hobby. Practically my only one. I pump a lot of money into my physical collection. wolfking got to see that first hand during the UFO listening party time period. I was on a tear through covid and spent more than I ever had in a year, and I don't regret a thing.
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Ya know….I guess I just look at it as my hobby. I mean, if you’re into golf, how much money do you spend on golf? If you’re really into hunting, how much money do you spend on guns/ammo? If you’re SUPER into fishing, how much do you spend on gear? Or your boat?
All of these things people spend money on…there are others who think you’re completely wasting your time and money.
I don’t buy every expensive boxed set I want, and I’m certainly not rich. But I’m fortunate enough to be in a very small diminishing class that we call “middle”. And my physical music collection is my thing. Like golf, or hunting, or fishing is for lots of guys. And I probably spend as much (more likely a bit less) on my hobby as they do theirs.
Amen.
Music is my primary hobby. Practically my only one. I pump a lot of money into my physical collection. wolfking got to see that first hand during the UFO listening party time period. I was on a tear through covid and spent more than I ever had in a year, and I don't regret a thing.
Indeed I did haha. You put all my hauls in previous years to absolute shame! Good stuff!
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I'm with you guys; I just moved houses, and I think the CD collection was the single biggest "part" that wasn't a bedroom set. it's fun, and it keeps me out of trouble. Indulgent? Sure, by some people's standards, but it makes me happy.
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I'm with you guys; I just moved houses, and I think the CD collection was the single biggest "part" that wasn't a bedroom set. it's fun, and it keeps me out of trouble. Indulgent? Sure, by some people's standards, but it makes me happy.
And it's harmless.
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I'd deffo rather spend money on CDs / DVDs / Vinyl etc - something you can still admire in 10 years.
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I'm with you guys; I just moved houses, and I think the CD collection was the single biggest "part" that wasn't a bedroom set. it's fun, and it keeps me out of trouble. Indulgent? Sure, by some people's standards, but it makes me happy.
Indulgent is right. I've been collecting music for the last 30 years and last I checked I have about 4800 CDs, around 75 collector's edition vinyl box sets (some of those are huge!), and maybe 300 more albums on vinyl. I don't want to have to move all that again and figure out where to store it. Guess I'll die in this house.
But to your point, it's fun and it's harmless. It's my single biggest hobby. Well, music in general. Since I also have 4 guitars, 3 drumsets, a bass guitar, and a keyboard.......I have too much stuff.
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I'd deffo rather spend money on CDs / DVDs / Vinyl etc - something you can still admire in 10 years.
It's funny my record collection started out 10 years with a way for me to support my favorite band (dredg). I had a few of their albums that I never played as I didn't even have a record player. A few years back I picked up a record player and I've been slowly building a collection of my favorite albums on vinyl.
There is a certain joy I get every time I reach for one of those albums and go through the whole process of setting it up to play while enjoying the large artwork.
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Exactly. And you get absolutely one of that pressing play on an MP3 or on Spotify.
And in 20 years you won't be able to stand back and admire a shelf full of songs downloaded from youtube.
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Exactly. And you get absolutely one of that pressing play on an MP3 or on Spotify.
And in 20 years you won't be able to stand back and admire a shelf full of songs downloaded from youtube.
Who's downloading songs from Youtube?
I have a massive albums collection, but I also have them all stored digitally on my Plex server, should anything bad happen to my collection. And it also allows me to listen to anything I have at any time, anywhere. There are benefits to both.
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I'm quite happy with my vinyl and CD collection but I do see the appeal of the more minimalistic approach of listening all digitally as well. Just the idea of moving apartments in a year or two and having to move all my physical collection gives me a mild headache.
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Exactly. And you get absolutely one of that pressing play on an MP3 or on Spotify.
And in 20 years you won't be able to stand back and admire a shelf full of songs downloaded from youtube.
Who's downloading songs from Youtube?
I have a massive albums collection, but I also have them all stored digitally on my Plex server, should anything bad happen to my collection. And it also allows me to listen to anything I have at any time, anywhere. There are benefits to both.
I'm in the process of doing just that, putting it all on a server. For me, the problem is that you don't control what you get "digitally". I have two versions of Whitesnake's Slide It In, for example. Three versions of Ozzy's Bark At The Moon. Early on, I remember a friend of mine wanted to get a couple Little River Band songs from iTunes I think it was, and was shocked to find the vocals different (they were going through a kerfuffle with Glenn Shorrock, and some of his vocal parts were re-recorded. Ozzy's destruction of the two "Blizzard" albums. Other artists are re-recording their catalogues, or parts of them - Swift, Kiss, Def Leppard - to avoid label issues. I want the version I want. I can guarantee I have it when I have the tangible piece in my hand.
Having said that, the goal when I'm done is to be able to have my phone in my car and tap into my network drive for any song in my collection. Fingers crossed.
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I'm quite happy with my vinyl and CD collection but I do see the appeal of the more minimalistic approach of listening all digitally as well. Just the idea of moving apartments in a year or two and having to move all my physical collection gives me a mild headache.
Obvs I use the iPhone for outdoors listening where quality isn't important - or a long bus journey.
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I finally downloaded the extended MP3 version of FI with the code you get with the album. I mean, the interludes are pointless, but it actually makes this feel more like a Tool album. Seems to be more complete.
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I finally downloaded the extended MP3 version of FI with the code you get with the album. I mean, the interludes are pointless, but it actually makes this feel more like a Tool album. Seems to be more complete.
They actually don't make the album feel bloated for me.
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My only disappointment in the complete version is that they didn’t offer it in anything lossless. I know, I know…cue the claims that the human ear can’t tell the difference between lossless and MP3/320. But if a homemade band on band camp can offer FLAC files why can’t Tool?
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I know, I know…cue the claims that the human ear can’t tell the difference between lossless and MP3/320.
Those people can't tell the difference on their crappy Beats headphones or Apple airbuds or whatever they are called, etc etc.. There is very much a difference though.
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My only disappointment in the complete version is that they didn’t offer it in anything lossless. I know, I know…cue the claims that the human ear can’t tell the difference between lossless and MP3/320. But if a homemade band on band camp can offer FLAC files why can’t Tool?
They did. FI is on HDtracks (and other high res services), and it's cheaper than the 80 dollar CD edition, complete too.
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My only disappointment in the complete version is that they didn’t offer it in anything lossless. I know, I know…cue the claims that the human ear can’t tell the difference between lossless and MP3/320. But if a homemade band on band camp can offer FLAC files why can’t Tool?
They did. FI is on HDtracks (and other high res services), and it's cheaper than the 80 dollar CD edition, complete too.
Yes, but the MP3s came with the purchase of the album. Why should I pay again for something I already bought.
I’m saying there should have been an HD free download with the purchase of the physical copy.
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Doesn't bother me, but that's a fair point. Different audio versions should have been made available on the CD code link download.
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I finally downloaded the extended MP3 version of FI with the code you get with the album. I mean, the interludes are pointless, but it actually makes this feel more like a Tool album. Seems to be more complete.
They actually don't make the album feel bloated for me.
I made a playlist of literally JUST the 6 songs. Not even the drum solo. And it's still a 75 minute album and flows very nicely to me. But I can understand them wanting
to offer a nice LONG album after the 13 year gap. Same with Metallica and Hardwired... If you count the studio version of Lords of Summer it's very nearly a 90 minute album.
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While I never go and listen to the interstitial Tool tracks I do think it's become a trademark of their albums. I like the tracks when I listen to the whole album, they don't screw with the flow but they do add a bit of mood to the whole album.
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The segues on Ænima are pointless imo and don't add anything. The ones on lateralus feel like they fit the songs though,
The final track on 10,000 Days is literally just noise. And as for Mockingbeat...
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The segues on Ænima are pointless imo and don't add anything. The ones on lateralus feel like they fit the songs though,
The final track on 10,000 Days is literally just noise. And as for Mockingbeat...
I love them, especially the ones on Aenima, but I'm biased on that album. It's just part of their sound, quirkiness and they really add to the atmosphere and mystique around the band.
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Actually, one of the more interesting things about the entire thing to me is that you can't tell the Tool trolls from Tool themselves....because they troll as much as their fans do.
That occurred to me as I was looking at the story and the track listing. As soon as you start thinking how ridiculous it is...it suddenly starts to seem plausible.
I mean, look at that track listing. Isn't something like this HONESTLY the only thing they could do to be more bombastic than 10,000 Days?
Disc 1:
1. Abscissa (13:47)
2. The Awakening (12:03)
3. Gematria (Act I) (14:33)
4. Regresolution (13:56)
5. Divinotus (12:45)
6. Astral (Act II) (12:21)
Disc 2:
7. Descending (13:53)
8. Decem (12:22)
9. Lesous (Act III) (12:43)
10. Principles of March (12:01)
11. Pascal's Wager (13:46)
12. Zeta (Act IV) (14:27)
This is from 2016. Were TOOL playing Descending way back then or is that a massive coincidence ? It's a very similar running time too.
Also Justin Chancellor Bass Wah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM9ZGvdAFQw
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Disc 1:
1. Abscissa (13:47)
2. The Awakening (12:03)
3. Gematria (Act I) (14:33)
4. Regresolution (13:56)
5. Divinotus (12:45)
6. Astral (Act II) (12:21)
Disc 2:
7. Descending (13:53)
8. Decem (12:22)
9. Lesous (Act III) (12:43)
10. Principles of March (12:01)
11. Pascal's Wager (13:46)
12. Zeta (Act IV) (14:27)
That looks like a fucking nightmare. :lol
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Anyone wanna add up the track times to see how long that album would have been ?
I'm gonna do an approximate total ;D
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I got 158 mins 40 seconds roughly. 1 minute 20 seconds shy of THREE HOURS :rollin
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https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/tool/2022/matthew-knight-arena-eugene-or-2388b8af.html
First show of the tour was last night and what a setlist!! All of their hits left out except for The Pot, and 4 out of my top 5 Tool songs are in there 😯😯
Here’s hoping they keep it the same for Chicago…
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That's a very nice, well balanced set.
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That's honestly a dream setlist of mine and better than what I saw in Raleigh a few years back. I'm now even more pumped, it's always been a dream to see "The Grudge" live.
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I think they could have squeezed in 7empest and Disposition/Reflection. Then it would have been perfect.
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From their FB page:
Introducing "Infossilized," a limited-edition NFT collaboration featuring new music from MTvoid [Justin Chancellor (Lobal Orning) and Peter Mohamed] mastered by Bob Ludwig, haikus from Justin and visionary artwork from Armenian sculptor Vahan Bego. Two of the NFTs ("Death Survives" and "Concentration") contain music from the duo's forthcoming album, Matter's Knot (release date TBA).
"Infossilized" includes:
- Three 1-of-1 NFT auctions ("All God's Glory", "Death Survives" and "OTIS")
- Two limited-edition 1-of-10 NFT sales ("Concentration" and "Magmaficent"
- One limited-edition 1-of-15 NFT sales of a print/static image (no audio/no effects) of a collage featuring all five pieces of art
Winners of the 1-of-1 auctions and buyers of the limited-edition offerings will receive a book signed by Vahan, Justin and Peter that features images from the "Infossilized" collection with corresponding poems written by Justin.
For more information, visit the link below.
https://makersplace.com/vahanbegomtvoid
#justinchancellor #mtvoid #makersplace MakersPlace
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Going with my youngest daughter and her husband to see Tool in concert in just a few hours. I'm stoked that The Grudge and the Pot are in the setlist.
:2metal:
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Going with my youngest daughter and her husband to see Tool in concert in just a few hours. I'm stoked that The Grudge and the Pot are in the setlist.
:2metal:
Have a blast mate!
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Going with my youngest daughter and her husband to see Tool in concert in just a few hours. I'm stoked that The Grudge and the Pot are in the setlist.
:2metal:
Have a blast mate!
Thanks Kade. It shall be interesting to see how my daughter likes the show. She usually likes to dance around, but I told her, "It's not that kind of rock show, Hon." :lol
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Going with my youngest daughter and her husband to see Tool in concert in just a few hours. I'm stoked that The Grudge and the Pot are in the setlist.
:2metal:
Have a blast mate!
Thanks Kade. It shall be interesting to see how my daughter likes the show. She usually likes to dance around, but I told her, "It's not that kind of rock show, Hon." :lol
She goes from standing still for 5 minutes then to alternate dancing in multiple time signatures. :lol
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The setlist is amazing and I wouldn't mind either of the songs they're alternating. I would prefer the one with The Patient though. But both Sober and Right In Two is still awesome.
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As much as I love The Patient, I’d rather get Right in Two since it’s one of my top favs from them.
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We got Opiate and Right in Two…loved it! Honestly, Hooker With a Penis was amazing for the crowd participation alone. I couldn’t even hear Maynard over the crowd shouting the lyrics. I think my daughter thought her Daddy was nuts cause I was just as loud as everyone else. :lol
Push It was awesome too.
Oh, and Invincible…
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We got Opiate and Right in Two…loved it! Honestly, Hooker With a Penis was amazing for the crowd participation alone. I couldn’t even hear Maynard over the crowd shouting the lyrics. I think my daughter thought her Daddy was nuts cause I was just as loud as everyone else. :lol
Push It was awesome too.
Oh, and Invincible…
:metal
I think Invincible has cemented itself as my fav song on FI.
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I think Invincible has cemented itself as my fav song on FI.
I go back and forth between Invincible and 7empest.
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Glad you had an awesome time. I'm counting down the days until I see them in Florida.
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We got Opiate and Right in Two…loved it! Honestly, Hooker With a Penis was amazing for the crowd participation alone. I couldn’t even hear Maynard over the crowd shouting the lyrics. I think my daughter thought her Daddy was nuts cause I was just as loud as everyone else. :lol
Push It was awesome too.
Oh, and Invincible…
How was Culling Voices live. That's my favorite out of the new songs and It's up there with Disposition and Intension for me.
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We got Opiate and Right in Two…loved it! Honestly, Hooker With a Penis was amazing for the crowd participation alone. I couldn’t even hear Maynard over the crowd shouting the lyrics. I think my daughter thought her Daddy was nuts cause I was just as loud as everyone else. :lol
Push It was awesome too.
Oh, and Invincible…
How was Culling Voices live. That's my favorite out of the new songs and It's up there with Disposition and Intension for me.
I’m sensing a theme….you like the quiet/atmospheric songs 👍
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We got Opiate and Right in Two…loved it! Honestly, Hooker With a Penis was amazing for the crowd participation alone. I couldn’t even hear Maynard over the crowd shouting the lyrics. I think my daughter thought her Daddy was nuts cause I was just as loud as everyone else. :lol
Push It was awesome too.
Oh, and Invincible…
How was Culling Voices live. That's my favorite out of the new songs and It's up there with Disposition and Intension for me.
I’m sensing a theme….you like the quiet/atmospheric songs 👍
Yeah, outside of Hooker, they really created a full sensory experience, quite different from the other times I saw them.
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We got Opiate and Right in Two…loved it! Honestly, Hooker With a Penis was amazing for the crowd participation alone. I couldn’t even hear Maynard over the crowd shouting the lyrics. I think my daughter thought her Daddy was nuts cause I was just as loud as everyone else. :lol
Push It was awesome too.
Oh, and Invincible…
How was Culling Voices live. That's my favorite out of the new songs and It's up there with Disposition and Intension for me.
I’m sensing a theme….you like the quiet/atmospheric songs 👍
The atmosphere is where Tool shines. It's why this current setlist is a fantastic setlist. I would love to see this set, especially with Pushit on there. And no Schism, Lateralus or any usual setlist song. Those are all pretty long songs as well.
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We got Opiate and Right in Two…loved it! Honestly, Hooker With a Penis was amazing for the crowd participation alone. I couldn’t even hear Maynard over the crowd shouting the lyrics. I think my daughter thought her Daddy was nuts cause I was just as loud as everyone else. :lol
Push It was awesome too.
Oh, and Invincible…
How was Culling Voices live. That's my favorite out of the new songs and It's up there with Disposition and Intension for me.
When I saw that they started the song with all of them at the front of the stage and Danny playing rhythm guitar I got super excited.
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From their FB page:
Taking it back to the beginning, Tool celebrates the 30th anniversary of their first commercially-available release, Opiate, with a re-imagined and extended version of the EP’s title track and an accompanying short film. “Opiate2” (pronounced Opiate Squared) is available via streaming services on March 1, with the Blu-ray only visual companion available on March 18 (pre-order: https://TOOL.lnk.to/Opiate2).
Visual artist Dominic Hailstone (“Alien: Covenant”, “The Eel”) worked with Adam on the 10-plus minute film, which is the band’s first new video in 15 years. Dominic and Adam also collaborated on the filmed pieces featured on the current Fear Inoculum tour.
https://www.facebook.com/ToolMusic/videos/1127935091357626
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Price is steep. Probably for hard-core fans seeing as it's $30 for the blu-ray for one 10 min video track and some behind-the-scenes stuff. Plus all that artwork
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I recently saw on Adam's instagram that all future Tool shows will have a limited run vinyl release of FI. The packaging looks incredible so I really hope they bring this to sale outside of future shows.
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I recently saw on Adam's instagram that all future Tool shows will have a limited run vinyl release of FI. The packaging looks incredible so I really hope they bring this to sale outside of future shows.
I believe the release date is April. It was mentioned in Adam's or Tool's post.
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Price is a tad steep.
https://www.loudersound.com/news/tool-announce-ultra-deluxe-vinyl-version-of-2019s-fear-inoculum-for-a-whopping-dollar810-and-fans-are-not-happy
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Fear Inoculum vinyl box set available for pre order: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09T8F2ZQF/ref=cm_sw_r_fm_apa_glt_i_VN9JQ5RH5T5K7Y3X0WA8
$170 isn't too bad for what looks like a very nice set.
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Is the opening band worth making the effort to see?
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I didn't really care for Blonde Redhead but I think there is a different opener now.
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Is the opening band worth making the effort to see?
If the opener is The Acid Helps, then no it wasn't. Their set was about 45 minutes. One thing to note is that Tool came on barely half an hour after the opener finished, which was much quicker than I'd anticipated.
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Heading out to the show I'm a bit, was wondering if I should bother with the opener, now I'm not sure
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Why can't this band produce normally priced versions of Fear Inoculum?
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Why can't this band produce normally priced versions of Fear Inoculum?
GREEEEEEEEED!!! 🤑🤑🤑🤑
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Why can't this band produce normally priced versions of Fear Inoculum?
I can't believe people are still complaining about this when it comes to Tool :lol
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Why can't this band produce normally priced versions of Fear Inoculum?
They probably figured when you go 13 years in between albums you can charge a bit more :lol
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Why can't this band produce normally priced versions of Fear Inoculum?
I can't believe people are still complaining about this when it comes to Tool :lol
Why would a band want to gouge their fans?
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All I wanted in 2019 was a jewelcase with the cd inside. I did not need this big clunker of a box with a screen in it that turns on when you open it. They think I'm ever recharging that thing? Because I'm not. :lol
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All I wanted in 2019 was a jewelcase with the cd inside. I did not need this big clunker of a box with a screen in it that turns on when you open it. They think I'm ever recharging that thing? Because I'm not. :lol
I don't know why you'd expect Tool to do that. Ever since Aenima their album covers and packaging have had some form of unique, art style. Aenima has the lenticular lens, Lateralus has the layered artwork, and 10,000 Days has the 3-D glasses attached to the packaging.
I think it's neat how artistic the band gets with their album art, instilling the latest technologies into their album art. So you're not just paying for the music, but you're getting art value from it.
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All I wanted in 2019 was a jewelcase with the cd inside. I did not need this big clunker of a box with a screen in it that turns on when you open it. They think I'm ever recharging that thing? Because I'm not. :lol
I don't know why you'd expect Tool to do that. Ever since Aenima their album covers and packaging have had some form of unique, art style. Aenima has the lenticular lens, Lateralus has the layered artwork, and 10,000 Days has the 3-D glasses attached to the packaging.
I think it's neat how artistic the band gets with their album art, instilling the latest technologies into their album art. So you're not just paying for the music, but you're getting art value from it.
But I have Aenima and 10,000 Days and I don't remember them costing three times the price of an average CD and requiring a whole different spot on the CD shelf.
I don't mind adventurous and/or artistic packaging, but at a certain point it becomes something in and of itself, and at that point I think there ought to be options. It's the band's loss; I bought mine used on the interwebs and while that's a legal sale, I don't believe the band saw dime one of that.
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I think I could see the argument that there are probably very few fans who would like a plain ol' cd in a jewel case. Speaking for myself personally I'll stream everything and for albums I really love I'll seek out the special vinyl edition (if available). I wonder how many sales they would've gotten simply selling a regular disc.
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All I wanted in 2019 was a jewelcase with the cd inside. I did not need this big clunker of a box with a screen in it that turns on when you open it. They think I'm ever recharging that thing? Because I'm not. :lol
I don't know why you'd expect Tool to do that. Ever since Aenima their album covers and packaging have had some form of unique, art style. Aenima has the lenticular lens, Lateralus has the layered artwork, and 10,000 Days has the 3-D glasses attached to the packaging.
I think it's neat how artistic the band gets with their album art, instilling the latest technologies into their album art. So you're not just paying for the music, but you're getting art value from it.
But I have Aenima and 10,000 Days and I don't remember them costing three times the price of an average CD and requiring a whole different spot on the CD shelf.
I don't mind adventurous and/or artistic packaging, but at a certain point it becomes something in and of itself, and at that point I think there ought to be options. It's the band's loss; I bought mine used on the interwebs and while that's a legal sale, I don't believe the band saw dime one of that.
Can't blame a band trying something that would make people buy their product, since not many are actually buying the product of CDs.
It also doesn't surprise me either that Tool said, this is the only way to buy this album physically...
I can see why the price of the deluxe vinyl is so much though. They're early arrivals and are tour editions for the time being, and they're the only ones that will be autographed. Priority was given to Tool Army members, then will be placed on sale at the merch booth for everyone. I don't know who would want them that bad, and for the authographs of the band members. Unless, they have artwork done by Adam like how my signed Tool Poster is done, very unique from the main tour poster.
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All I wanted in 2019 was a jewelcase with the cd inside. I did not need this big clunker of a box with a screen in it that turns on when you open it. They think I'm ever recharging that thing? Because I'm not. :lol
I don't know why you'd expect Tool to do that. Ever since Aenima their album covers and packaging have had some form of unique, art style. Aenima has the lenticular lens, Lateralus has the layered artwork, and 10,000 Days has the 3-D glasses attached to the packaging.
I think it's neat how artistic the band gets with their album art, instilling the latest technologies into their album art. So you're not just paying for the music, but you're getting art value from it.
Except Aenima and Lateralus are still in jewel cases despite the artwork. 10,000 Days is a big boy but if I turn it on its side, it still fits in with the other CDs quite nicely enough.
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All I wanted in 2019 was a jewelcase with the cd inside. I did not need this big clunker of a box with a screen in it that turns on when you open it. They think I'm ever recharging that thing? Because I'm not. :lol
I don't know why you'd expect Tool to do that. Ever since Aenima their album covers and packaging have had some form of unique, art style. Aenima has the lenticular lens, Lateralus has the layered artwork, and 10,000 Days has the 3-D glasses attached to the packaging.
I think it's neat how artistic the band gets with their album art, instilling the latest technologies into their album art. So you're not just paying for the music, but you're getting art value from it.
Except Aenima and Lateralus are still in jewel cases despite the artwork. 10,000 Days is a big boy but if I turn it on its side, it still fits in with the other CDs quite nicely enough.
The point is that their artwork is part of the product. The video screen in Fear Inoculum is a part of the artwork. That's why you won't get a jewel case version of the album. The same way those 3-D goggles were a part of 10,000 days packaging.
What Tool did was incorporate the video as the artwork with the exception that it's going to cost more, that's paying the price to include the art you want for your product.
Tool, more so Adam, takes pride in the artwork for their albums. Tool is a visual band, which includes their artwork and their live shows.
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I don't want to be a dick like (maybe quite a few people here think) Tool are, but... all those questions like "why would they gouge their fans?", "why is there no plain jewel case for this album" or "why is that vinyl package so expensive" can be answered with a simple "because Tool don't give a fuck about what you all think" :lol They do their thing and people buy it, why should they do anything differently? I didn't buy the original CD because I don't have a CD player, but I did buy the 160 Euro vinyl package, because I think it looks beautiful and the whole thing is a piece of art. Apart from that, I don't think it's all that overpriced. Think about DT's special vinyl editions or the Moving Pictures special edition that's about to come out. Or the Immersion Box sets by Pink Floyd. They all cost the same or more. One could argue about the contents of that box, but do you guys need three Pink Floyd themed marbles, coasters and a cheap scarf with your vinyl? I don't. I want that music on that medium in a kickass packaging and that's what Tool is giving me.
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I just wish there was an affordable version. Discogs is filled with unofficial Tool vinyl releases, so there is obviously demand for it. The band is entirely in their right to do with their music what they want and to not give a fuck. But I just think it is dumb and it means I won't buy anything of theirs, as I am not enough of a fan to spend 160 euros.
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I think they are working on the vinyls for the their back catalog. I'm ASSuming the lawsuit they had with their record label had to to do with the music rights since their music was not available digitally. Hopefully they bought back their music and they can release at least Lateralus on vinyl. I do have a Lateralus vinyl signed by the band that I won on a KNAC (LA radio station). Don't know how legit is the pressing itself lol.
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I think they are working on the vinyls for the their back catalog. I'm ASSuming the lawsuit they had with their record label had to to do with the music rights since their music was not available digitally. Hopefully they bought back their music and they can release at least Lateralus on vinyl. I do have a Lateralus vinyl signed by the band that I won on a KNAC (LA radio station). Don't know how legit is the pressing itself lol.
Where did you get the information that they are working on that?
Also, can you show which pressing of Lateralus you have? Maybe I can help you :)
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Anyone got the Opiate2 BR yet?
Ordered it and waiting for it to be delivered.
I love the other video singles by Tool... this one was way more expensive though. Still had to have it.
Just over a month now until I get to see them for the first time after getting hooked around the Laterlus release cycle.
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Anyone got the Opiate2 BR yet?
Ordered it and waiting for it to be delivered.
I love the other video singles by Tool... this one was way more expensive though. Still had to have it.
Just over a month now until I get to see them for the first time after getting hooked around the Laterlus release cycle.
Got mine on Friday, video is really fucking bizarre. The booklet is mostly pictures from the video. I was kinda hoping for more stuff on the bluray, like behind the scenes, etc.. it's just the video and a commentary video, which is more like a skit.
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Quick bump to this thread. I got the vinyl copy of FI in the mail today and out of all of the vinyl box sets I own this is easily the nicest. It was $180 after everything but the details on the pages, the etching on the vinyl's, everything is just suburb. I can't speak to the audio quality of the record, I plan on listening later but the bar is set really high when it comes to physical presentation.
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Ok so listening to the album, it's one of the best mastered albums I own. Unreal. I do wish they had a vinyl only cheaper option but if you are at all debating picking it up I highly suggest you do.
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I wonder if they used a different master or mix for the Vinyl as I've heard many artists typically do than the CD and digital version. I'd be curious if they differ at all.
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I don't know for certain but it seems that way. I have the CD version of FI and played through the same speakers it does sound mixed differently. Usually those CD and digital to vinyl masters are really hot but that isn't the case with this record.
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I ordered the vinyl box set without thinking a second about it on my phone while I was in an apres-ski-bar on a ski trip with my University... I was pretty wasted while ordering it :lol but the next day, it was already sold out on JPC, so I was very happy I did it.
It arrived last Friday, but unfortunately, the lower left corner is punched in so I requested a new box. Not sure if they will be able to get another copy, but I hope so.
I can't wait to spin this album. I think it's a masterpiece and the best album of 2019.
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Completely random, but my work somehow got a sale for Tool tickets and I just bought a ticket for 50 euros ;D And solid seating as well.
The concert has been sold out fot the longest time and the regular ticketprice was steep (over 100 euros), very nice surprise.
Looking forward to the show!
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I'm jealous, you're going to have one hell of a time. This last Tool show was something else.
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I think they are working on the vinyls for the their back catalog. I'm ASSuming the lawsuit they had with their record label had to to do with the music rights since their music was not available digitally. Hopefully they bought back their music and they can release at least Lateralus on vinyl. I do have a Lateralus vinyl signed by the band that I won on a KNAC (LA radio station). Don't know how legit is the pressing itself lol.
Where did you get the information that they are working on that?
Also, can you show which pressing of Lateralus you have? Maybe I can help you :)
Fritz
Sorry it took a while. I kept forgetting to upload the pictures. According to discogs, it seems legit.
https://www.discogs.com/release/513594-Tool-Lateralus
(https://i.imgur.com/OgnlLQ9.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/W0UGlFg.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/BKXUGXJ.jpg)
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Dennis Chambers plays “Schism”…..
https://youtu.be/rVwyAsU4dus
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Dennis Chambers plays “Schism”…..
https://youtu.be/rVwyAsU4dus
I literally watched that last night. Came up I my feed and was intrigued. Incredible that he heard the song once without drum tracks and came up with what he did. Unreal.
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Dennis Chambers plays “Schism”…..
https://youtu.be/rVwyAsU4dus
This is absolutely fascinating. Dennis is an amazing drummer!
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'Budget' edition of Fear Inoculum on vinyl.
https://bravewords.com/news/tool-fear-inoculum-3-disc-180-gram-vinyl-arrives-august-5
https://store.toolband.com/product/TLLP002
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'Budget' edition of Fear Inoculum on vinyl.
https://bravewords.com/news/tool-fear-inoculum-3-disc-180-gram-vinyl-arrives-august-5
https://store.toolband.com/product/TLLP002
Nice! Over here it can be bought for 46 euro's, which is actually not that much of a premium over other 3 LP releases.
Buuut the box is/was on sale for 100 dollars on Amazon, even including taxes and the shitty dollar/euro exchange that seems like a good deal (the box is 180 euros here). So I ordered that.
I really enjoyed the show I saw recently and decided I do want Fear Inoculum on vinyl.
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I have multiple box sets and I have to say that if you have the funds the Tool box set is miles ahead of almost every other boxset I own in terms of presentation and sound quality. It's a really nice product.
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'Budget' edition of Fear Inoculum on vinyl.
https://bravewords.com/news/tool-fear-inoculum-3-disc-180-gram-vinyl-arrives-august-5
https://store.toolband.com/product/TLLP002
Finally!
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I'm probably what you might call a casual Tool fan.
I saw them live in 2002, have a 3 albums on CD, but nothing really never clicked with me, until now.
Fear Inoculum has really blown me away and I am kicking myself for not previously investing more time in the band.
What album should I get into next?
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I'm probably what you might call a casual Tool fan.
I saw them live in 2002, have a 3 albums on CD, but nothing really never clicked with me, until now.
Fear Inoculum has really blown me away and I am kicking myself for not previously investing more time in the band.
What album should I get into next?
Ænima or Lateralus. These are IMO their two best.
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I'm probably what you might call a casual Tool fan.
I saw them live in 2002, have a 3 albums on CD, but nothing really never clicked with me, until now.
Fear Inoculum has really blown me away and I am kicking myself for not previously investing more time in the band.
What album should I get into next?
Ænima or Lateralus. These are IMO their two best.
This. Aenima is my fav and came in at number 2 in my top 50.
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I'm probably what you might call a casual Tool fan.
I saw them live in 2002, have a 3 albums on CD, but nothing really never clicked with me, until now.
Fear Inoculum has really blown me away and I am kicking myself for not previously investing more time in the band.
What album should I get into next?
I'd say Lateralus, Ænima, 10000 Days, and Undertow, in that order. They are all worth checking out imo.
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I'm probably what you might call a casual Tool fan.
I saw them live in 2002, have a 3 albums on CD, but nothing really never clicked with me, until now.
Fear Inoculum has really blown me away and I am kicking myself for not previously investing more time in the band.
What album should I get into next?
I'd say Lateralus, Ænima, 10000 Days, and Undertow, in that order. They are all worth checking out imo.
This, for sure.
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I'm probably what you might call a casual Tool fan.
I saw them live in 2002, have a 3 albums on CD, but nothing really never clicked with me, until now.
Fear Inoculum has really blown me away and I am kicking myself for not previously investing more time in the band.
What album should I get into next?
I'd say Lateralus, Ænima, 10000 Days, and Undertow, in that order. They are all worth checking out imo.
This is actually my overall ranking of their albums, with Fear Inoculum between 10,000 Days and Undertow.
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I'm probably what you might call a casual Tool fan.
I saw them live in 2002, have a 3 albums on CD, but nothing really never clicked with me, until now.
Fear Inoculum has really blown me away and I am kicking myself for not previously investing more time in the band.
What album should I get into next?
Ænima or Lateralus. These are IMO their two best.
This. Aenima is my fav and came in at number 2 in my top 50.
Aenima is also my favourite and a top 5 album all time for me. I really would try this album next, then work your way forward to Lateralus and then 10,000 days, then back to Undertow.
Also, if you get an opportunity to see the band live do not miss it.
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Any Dallas/Fort Worth peeps interested in 1 Puscifer ticket? Can't make it to show so I'm selling at face value.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/195419634428
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COmplete PowerTrip show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYTFRHF9X88
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Just ordered a late Christmas gift for myself. Picked up the Deluxe Vinyl of Fear Inoculum. Got it for $89 total from a shop in California. Sealed and mint. Way better than what this thing was going for when it was first released. I know I could have gotten the 3 LP version for cheaper, but I really wanted this 5 LP special box.
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I have the 5LP box and it's stellar. Extremely high quality release IMO.
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I have the 5LP box and it's stellar. Extremely high quality release IMO.
You're telling me. Just got it in the mail. Solid, heavy thing. Love that it has a sticker on it asking $180. Briefly opened it up to take a look and I couldn't have asked for a much better one. None of them will be perfect and aside from some very minor dings along the edge, it's better than I could have hoped for.
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Thread title corrected.
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Listened to Schism and Lateralus today, so good.
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I saw Tool this past Sunday and the closer was Schism, I love that song.
Tool is one of the rare bands that seems to be getting as the years go on, granted I never saw them in the 90's but compared to the first show I saw in the early 2000's they are much tighter.
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Danny Carey interview with Rick Beato
https://youtu.be/0ErsWJw28XU?si=Rryo9MeAzMbUq5kp