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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Ben_Jamin on February 20, 2020, 05:32:43 PM
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Having almost completing the DoT/SFAM 20th tour, it's time the band get back to having an open setlist.
List of songs not played with Mangini: (as of 1/14/2023)
Status Seeker
The Killing Hand
The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
Light Fuse and Get Away
Only a Matter of Time
Innocence Faded
Erotomania
Voices
New Millennium
You Not Me
Hollow Years
Lines in the Sand
Take Away My Pain
Just Let Me Breathe
Anna Lee
The Glass Prison
Misunderstood
Blind Faith
Disappear
Overture
Goodnight Kiss
This Dying Soul
Honor Thy Father
Vacant
Stream of Consciousness
In the Name of God
The Answer Lies Within
I Walk Beside You
Never Enough
Sacrificed Sons
Octavarium
Repentance
Prophets of War
In the Presence of Enemies Pt. 2
A Rite of Passage
The Best of Times
Surrender to Reason
Room 137
S2N
Out of Reach
*Viper King*
I feel they have enough MM material to do an all MM set, but doubt they would do it. If they did do a majority MM set, and sprinkled a few Pre-MM songs he has yet to play, what would you choose?
My top 5 would be:
Stream of Consciousness
The Ministry of Lost Souls
Octavarium
Blind Faith
Voices
If you feel like making a faux setlist, go for it.
Edit: I'll be updating this list as time goes on and we get more of these songs being played. I will also cross off my top 5 songs when/if they get played again.
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I'd like to hear some DT songs I've never seen live before either with MP or MM, so:
Light Fuse And Getaway
You Not Me
Speak To Me
The Ministry Of Lost Souls
Disappear
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I just hope we finally get Surrender to Reason.
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My top 5 would be:
Stream of Consciousness
The Ministry of Lost Souls
Octavarium
Blind Faith
Voices
If you feel like making a faux setlist, go for it.
Hell no to TMOLS, and Voices doesn't seem too likely. The other three are among my very favorites, so I'd be completely on board.
I'd love to see The Killing Hand again (I saw it back in 92-94), but it's not very likely without some vocal line modifications. I'd love Hollow Years and Misunderstood as well. Same with Wither (which I think has only ever been done in two U.S. shows).
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Ministry of Lost Souls would be killer, I would love to see that one, and that wouldn't stretch James at all.
No more WDaDU songs, and no more I&W songs for that matter.
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I feel they have enough MM material to do an all MM set, but doubt they would do it. If they did do a majority MM set, and sprinkled a few Pre-MM songs he has yet to play, what would you choose?
It would be a ballsy move, and I even suggested it in a thread before d/t came out. I would appreciate the confidence in doing it.
They could have the usual 5-6 new songs, Bridges in the Sky and a return of Breaking all Illusions, Surrender to Reason and another self titled songs, one or two Astonishing songs and then at the very least S2N and then a couple more off the latest. With the encore they could go wild with classics, and speaking of those, it's about time that they play The Glass Prison.
Heck, if they insist on the celebration angle, the encore could be a giant celebration of Six Degrees, with parts of the title song and ending it all up with Losing Time / Grand finale.
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I would love a set list with MM era songs only, and close the show with Viper King. :metal
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Octavarium, In the Name of God and The Glass Prison are all long, long overdue. I think ITNOG is the most recently played of those three and even that was a decade ago.
I'd also love to see Endless Sacrifice, Sacrificed Sons, The Ministry of Lost Souls and Lines in the Sand.
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I would love a set list with MM era songs only, and close the show with Viper King. :metal
Interesting. I wonder what that setlist would look like?
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Wishlist:
- Viper King
- Beneath the Surface
- Bridges in the Sky
- Another Won
- Behind the Veil
- Honor Thy Father (with MM doing something nuts right before the breakdown)
- Burning My Soul
- New Millenium
- Along for the Ride
- S2N
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Octavarium, In the Name of God and The Glass Prison are all long, long overdue. I think ITNOG is the most recently played of those three and even that was a decade ago.
I'd also love to see Endless Sacrifice, Sacrificed Sons, The Ministry of Lost Souls and Lines in the Sand.
How could I forget ITNOG... :facepalm:
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The Glass Prison
Blind Faith
Octavarium
are my top choices for Non MM tracks...
but I want TA songs back in the set and S2N to be played for the first time.
Also want to keep At Wits End in the set since I missed it.
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Personally I'd like to see a tour with just MM era songs. There are plenty of killer songs that they've created with MM and composing a three hour set with just 'his' era songs would be pretty neat.
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I get why fans would think that was cool. And there absolutely is enough MM-era material to do that. But from the band's perspective, I don't see that there is any reason to do that. I think they will always try to find a mix of newer and "classic" material in their sets, unless a specific tour's direction necessitates something different (e.g., the TA tour).
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I think they need to keep pre-MM songs on stage. A lot of people that go out to see DT are the 'classics' types and might not venture out if they aren't getting anything more than a decade old.
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I get that, but a lot of the "classics" that have shown up tour after tour have been selections from Image & Words, Awake, and Scenes From A Memory, all of which have been celebrated (in one way or the other) on recent tours, and can be safely avoided for the near future.
Therefore, I think they could totally get away with a tour of at least MOSTLY MM-era songs. Maybe sprinkle in one or two tunes from Train of Thought, Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, or maybe Falling Into Infinity and call it a day.
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I'd love for them to keep my favourite piece from D/T: PBD
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Guys there's no chance for the band to even think about making set lists based on any kind of 'eras' or even overplayed music...there will always be a position for the so called classics and some new material..the real problem having a catalog so vast and with songs that are long is that you have to play them in a fashion that they rotate every so often..MP knew what he was doing and I'm not talking about doing again the same thing..I get it for many reasons..but they should drop the format of having a set list for an entire tour..If they chose to play lets say these 2 London shows with a new set list every night why not change Fall into the Light and Paralyzed with S2N and a 'classic' or maybe drop Pale Blue Dot as the closing epic with In the Name of God..out of the 7 songs they would have managed to fit promoting the album and playing old amazing songs..but also emphasizing different aspects of their music..making it interesting again so more people will actually get excited again..Anyway here's a list of songs I'd like to see them do again:
.Blind Faith
.In the Name of God
.Scarred
.The Ministry of Lost Souls
.Trial of Tears
.The Glass Prison
.Stream of Consciousness
.Lines in the Sand
.This the Life
.Breaking all Illusions
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but they should drop the format of having a set list for an entire tour..If they chose to play lets say these 2 London shows with a new set list every night why not change Fall into the Light and Paralyzed with S2N and a 'classic' or maybe drop Pale Blue Dot as the closing epic with In the Name of God..out of the 7 songs they would have managed to fit promoting the album and playing old amazing songs..but also emphasizing different aspects of their music..making it interesting again so more people will actually get excited again
I get what you are saying. And I agree. But here's the problem: Some (not all) of the band members STRONGLY prefer having everything being consistent from night to night so that the lighting, video, etc. is all synced up, and they don't have to rehearse extra songs, and all that. So that being the case, I don't think a change is likely.
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I don't know what the touring market is like these days. I'm guessing not good, since most of my favourite bands seem to be doing the 'album anniversary' thing. But speaking only for myself I'd love for the band to go back to a setlist that has nothing to do with honouring any particular album. I'd kill for a setlist of nothing but Mangini era songs (obviously I get why that may not be viable from a marketing viewpoint). I stalked the band all over Eastern Europe on their DT12 tour because I was so in love with the setlist (meet and greets at every show no less, I'm surprised JP didn't take out a restraining order by the time we got to Lithuania). I'd do the same if they did something like this:
On The Backs of Angels
Fall Into The Light
Bridges In The Sky
The Enemy Inside
Room 137
The Looking Glass
The Gift of Music
A Life Left Behind
Moment of Betrayal
The Bigger Picture
Behind The Veil (such a brilliant, brilliant song)
Outcry (swap out with Surrender to Reason sometimes, because I know a lot of people aren't keen on this one)
S2N
Pale Blue Dot
Breaking All Illusions
Encore
At Wit's End
Illumination Theory
That comes to just shy of 2 and a half hours, and in my opinion it's an incredible set of music.
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On The Backs of Angels
Fall Into The Light
Bridges In The Sky
The Enemy Inside
Room 137
The Looking Glass
The Gift of Music
A Life Left Behind
Moment of Betrayal
The Bigger Picture
Behind The Veil (such a brilliant, brilliant song)
Outcry (swap out with Surrender to Reason sometimes, because I know a lot of people aren't keen on this one)
S2N
Pale Blue Dot
Breaking All Illusions
Encore
At Wit's End
Illumination Theory
Gad!
That is a fantastic set-list! I just need Octavarium somewhere..
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My top 5 would be:
Stream of Consciousness
The Ministry of Lost Souls
Octavarium
Blind Faith
Voices
My top five of songs I hope they play on the next tour:
Octavarium
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Yeah, a MM-only setlist is gonna be a hard pass from me.
Start with the hits of DoT then move backwards in time, and finish it off with an abbreviated Six Degrees and Count of Tuscany. I think it’s a nicely rounded setlist- all the eras represented, and not brutal on LaBrie, physically.
Paralyzed (good heavy opener, DT likes heavy openers)
Barstool Warrior
Moment of Betrayal (good standalone song)
Surrender to Reason
This is the Life (deep cut for the trve fans)
Panic Attack (something for the casual fan who is starting to second guess his ticket purchase)
In the Name of God (keep the heaviness going)
Intermission:
Glass Prison (We’ve waited long enough)
Blind Faith
About to Crash (Reprise) — which transitions PERFECTLY to —
Lines in the Sand (show those Sons of Apollo dudes how it’s done)
Erotomania with some YYZ sprinkled in (give LaBrie a break and pay tribute to their hero)
Another Day (tuned down laid back acoustic version- thank the fans- tell them DT will be back another day- get it??)
Encore:
The Count of Tuscany (EPIC closer!)
BOOM done... I should get paid for this.
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Not bad idea overall, but Paralyzed as opener and Another Day as "final" song are kinda meh.
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Yeah, a MM-only setlist is gonna be a hard pass from me.
Start with the hits of DoT then move backwards in time, and finish it off with an abbreviated Six Degrees and Count of Tuscany. I think it’s a nicely rounded setlist- all the eras represented, and not brutal on LaBrie, physically.
Paralyzed (good heavy opener, DT likes heavy openers)
Barstool Warrior
Moment of Betrayal (good standalone song)
Surrender to Reason
This is the Life (deep cut for the trve fans)
Panic Attack (something for the casual fan who is starting to second guess his ticket purchase)
In the Name of God (keep the heaviness going)
Intermission:
Glass Prison (We’ve waited long enough)
Blind Faith
About to Crash (Reprise) — which transitions PERFECTLY to —
Lines in the Sand (show those Sons of Apollo dudes how it’s done)
Erotomania with some YYZ sprinkled in (give LaBrie a break and pay tribute to their hero)
Another Day (tuned down laid back acoustic version- thank the fans- tell them DT will be back another day- get it??)
Encore:
The Count of Tuscany (EPIC closer!)
BOOM done... I should get paid for this.
Some very cool thoughts, although I agree that an acoustic Another Day is a little too quiet to be the last song before the encore. But in general, I love the idea of an acoustic set, since I think this is where LaBrie can really shine: remember Wait For Sleep during the last tour? He was brilliant there! And Another Day would work very well in that setting I think.
Some things I personally would change:
- Paralyzed: I just don't like that song that much. Would be the worst concert opener for me :lol I would interchange it for Pale Blue Dot :metal
- The Count Of Tuscany: I would love to see this song live, but I would love to see Octavarium even more.
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BOOM done... I should get paid for this.
Don't quit your day job just yet.
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BOOM done... I should get paid for this.
Don't quit your day job just yet.
There's a reason why his name ain't "Setlist Volante99" :biggrin:
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Yeah, a MM-only setlist is gonna be a hard pass from me.
Start with the hits of DoT then move backwards in time, and finish it off with an abbreviated Six Degrees and Count of Tuscany. I think it’s a nicely rounded setlist- all the eras represented, and not brutal on LaBrie, physically.
Paralyzed (good heavy opener, DT likes heavy openers)
Barstool Warrior
Moment of Betrayal (good standalone song)
Surrender to Reason
This is the Life (deep cut for the trve fans)
Panic Attack (something for the casual fan who is starting to second guess his ticket purchase)
In the Name of God (keep the heaviness going)
Intermission:
Glass Prison (We’ve waited long enough)
Blind Faith
About to Crash (Reprise) — which transitions PERFECTLY to —
Lines in the Sand (show those Sons of Apollo dudes how it’s done)
Erotomania with some YYZ sprinkled in (give LaBrie a break and pay tribute to their hero)
Another Day (tuned down laid back acoustic version- thank the fans- tell them DT will be back another day- get it??)
Encore:
The Count of Tuscany (EPIC closer!)
BOOM done... I should get paid for this.
Some very cool thoughts, although I agree that an acoustic Another Day is a little too quiet to be the last song before the encore. But in general, I love the idea of an acoustic set, since I think this is where LaBrie can really shine: remember Wait For Sleep during the last tour? He was brilliant there! And Another Day would work very well in that setting I think.
Some things I personally would change:
- Paralyzed: I just don't like that song that much. Would be the worst concert opener for me :lol I would interchange it for Pale Blue Dot :metal
- The Count Of Tuscany: I would love to see this song live, but I would love to see Octavarium even more.
Pale Blue Dot isn’t a good opener. Too long. Too meandering. You want something rocking, guttural, and to the point. I don’t really like Paralyzed either but since they are still going to be promoting the album the ONLY songs that make sense here are Untethered Angel or Paralyzed. They’ve already opened with Untethered Angel.
Octavarium is good but you save that for 2025 for the 20th Anniversary of the album and 40th of the band. Duh.
Yes I’ve thought about this way too much.
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PBD being too long? I've seen DT open with Met1 and The Glass Prison (both are longer than PBD)
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No matter what they do, someone won't be happy.
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PBD being too long? I've seen DT open with Met1 and The Glass Prison (both are longer than PBD)
Obviously there’s some exceptions. You’re comparing The Glass Prison, the song with probably the greatest build up/intro of any Dream Theater song ever to PBD. Honestly, the Glass Prison works anywhere in a set.
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No matter what they do, someone won't be happy.
Aint that the truth
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No matter what they do, someone won't be happy.
Aint that the truth
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I would like to see S2N open. The lights all dark, then just the spotlight on JM as he plays that opening riff. :metal
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I would like to see S2N open. The lights all dark, then just the spotlight on JM as he plays that opening riff. :metal
That actually might just work. Not opposed to this.
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I'm in favor of almost anything replacing Untethered Angel as the opener, unless it is something gross like You Not Me or Constant Motion.
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I'd kill to hear Constant Motion live.
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PBD being too long? I've seen DT open with Met1 and The Glass Prison (both are longer than PBD)
You’re comparing The Glass Prison, the song with probably the greatest build up/intro of any Dream Theater song ever to PBD.
I like PBD better than TGP. It's more original sounding to me. You can hear Pantera and other influences in TGP, while PBD is pure Dream Theater.. :metal
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PBD being too long? I've seen DT open with Met1 and The Glass Prison (both are longer than PBD)
You’re comparing The Glass Prison, the song with probably the greatest build up/intro of any Dream Theater song ever to PBD.
I like PBD better than TGP. It's more original sounding to me. You can hear Pantera and other influences in TGP, while PBD is pure Dream Theater.. :metal
My point wasn’t to argue whether or not PBD is a good song or better than TGP (personally, I’m not a fan of the song, but that’s beside the point). The discussion is on whether or not PBD is a good song, structurally, to open a show with.
Again, you usually want to start a show with a commanding, strong or attention grabbing riff and chorus. PBD is more effective at the end of the set, as a closing statement which is why they put it at the end of the album and closed out their first set with it.
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PBD being too long? I've seen DT open with Met1 and The Glass Prison (both are longer than PBD)
You’re comparing The Glass Prison, the song with probably the greatest build up/intro of any Dream Theater song ever to PBD.
I like PBD better than TGP. It's more original sounding to me. You can hear Pantera and other influences in TGP, while PBD is pure Dream Theater.. :metal
PBD is more effective at the end of the set, as a closing statement which is why they put it at the end of the album and closed out their first set with it.
Couldn't agree more! :tup
The best opener for me would be TROAE, like they did on Score. Great intro going into a heavy riff, and the song itself is a good warmer-upper since it's not too technical to play, like TGP..
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I personally think PBD is stronger than some of the songs they've actually opened with over the years. I think it would go over well.
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PBD being too long? I've seen DT open with Met1 and The Glass Prison (both are longer than PBD)
Obviously there’s some exceptions. You’re comparing The Glass Prison, the song with probably the greatest build up/intro of any Dream Theater song ever to PBD. Honestly, the Glass Prison works anywhere in a set.
I don't get the opener-length argument... They've opened with Bridges In The Sky, The Dark Eternal Night, A Nightmare To Remember, as well as the mentioned The Glass Prison and Metropolis. And all of those have wanky instrumental sections. Even The Root Of All Evil is exactly as long as Pale Blue Dot.
I still think this song would rock you out of your socks as an opener :metal
By the way, Transatlantic opened their concerts with a 79 minute song during their 2010 Whirld Tour :lol
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I can imagine the first two riffs of PBD kicking off a show swimmingly and the ending could segue into a number of songs with ease.
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PBD being too long? I've seen DT open with Met1 and The Glass Prison (both are longer than PBD)
Obviously there’s some exceptions. You’re comparing The Glass Prison, the song with probably the greatest build up/intro of any Dream Theater song ever to PBD. Honestly, the Glass Prison works anywhere in a set.
I don't get the opener-length argument... They've opened with Bridges In The Sky, The Dark Eternal Night, A Nightmare To Remember, as well as the mentioned The Glass Prison and Metropolis. And all of those have wanky instrumental sections. Even The Root Of All Evil is exactly as long as Pale Blue Dot.
I still think this song would rock you out of your socks as an opener :metal
By the way, Transatlantic opened their concerts with a 79 minute song during their 2010 Whirld Tour :lol
If I'm not mistaken, they actually opened once or twice with the entire In The Presence of Enemies.
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I would like to see S2N open. The lights all dark, then just the spotlight on JM as he plays that opening riff. :metal
:wow:
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:lol would actually be pretty cool to open a show with the spotlight on JM
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PBD being too long? I've seen DT open with Met1 and The Glass Prison (both are longer than PBD)
Obviously there’s some exceptions. You’re comparing The Glass Prison, the song with probably the greatest build up/intro of any Dream Theater song ever to PBD. Honestly, the Glass Prison works anywhere in a set.
I don't get the opener-length argument... They've opened with Bridges In The Sky, The Dark Eternal Night, A Nightmare To Remember, as well as the mentioned The Glass Prison and Metropolis. And all of those have wanky instrumental sections. Even The Root Of All Evil is exactly as long as Pale Blue Dot.
I still think this song would rock you out of your socks as an opener :metal
By the way, Transatlantic opened their concerts with a 79 minute song during their 2010 Whirld Tour :lol
If I'm not mistaken, they actually opened once or twice with the entire In The Presence of Enemies.
Actually, 4 times - the opening 3 shows of the European Fall tour, as well as Paris. ;)
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I'm in favor of almost anything replacing Untethered Angel as the opener, unless it is something gross like You Not Me or Constant Motion.
I would like to see S2N open. The lights all dark, then just the spotlight on JM as he plays that opening riff. :metal
Since they played the album opener as first song on tour now, S2N sounds like a great idea. I agree that Untethered Angel wasn't a great opener, especially for JLB since it's a really demanding song for him, I think he'd sound better on it if it was further in the set when he's more warmed up and feeling the vibe.
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I would like to see S2N open. The lights all dark, then just the spotlight on JM as he plays that opening riff. :metal
:wow:
:rollin
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:lol would actually be pretty cool to open a show with the spotlight on JM
Isn't that how LAB was with As I Am as the opener?
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:lol would actually be pretty cool to open a show with the spotlight on JM
Isn't that how LAB was with As I Am as the opener?
Yes indeed! :metal
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PBD being too long? I've seen DT open with Met1 and The Glass Prison (both are longer than PBD)
Obviously there’s some exceptions. You’re comparing The Glass Prison, the song with probably the greatest build up/intro of any Dream Theater song ever to PBD. Honestly, the Glass Prison works anywhere in a set.
I don't get the opener-length argument... They've opened with Bridges In The Sky, The Dark Eternal Night, A Nightmare To Remember, as well as the mentioned The Glass Prison and Metropolis. And all of those have wanky instrumental sections. Even The Root Of All Evil is exactly as long as Pale Blue Dot.
I still think this song would rock you out of your socks as an opener :metal
By the way, Transatlantic opened their concerts with a 79 minute song during their 2010 Whirld Tour :lol
If I'm not mistaken, they actually opened once or twice with the entire In The Presence of Enemies.
Actually, 4 times - the opening 3 shows of the European Fall tour, as well as Paris. ;)
:metal
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That's why they call him SetlistHeffy42
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That's why they call him SetlistHeffy42
:djhef:
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:lol would actually be pretty cool to open a show with the spotlight on JM
Isn't that how LAB was with As I Am as the opener?
touche forgot about that, but then again, as much as I love that live album (it's my favorite of theirs), I can't recall the last time I watched it from the beginning to remember this
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I got to see Myung open a show on a Chapman stick during the second leg of World Tourbulence. Pretty cool moment.
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I was fortunate enough to be at the show the first time Myung ever played the stick live - and yes, the show opened with New Millennium.
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No disrespect to NM, but that is one case where I would have enjoyed PBD more as an opener, though I love it when DT does something unexpected like open a show with NM.
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I got to see Myung open a show on a Chapman stick during the second leg of World Tourbulence. Pretty cool moment.
I got to see JM open the first DT show I ever saw (the following summer with Queensryche). Not with the Chapman stick though. The Glass Prison. 😀
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I got to see Myung open a show on a Chapman stick during the second leg of World Tourbulence. Pretty cool moment.
I got to see JM open the first DT show I ever saw (the following summer with Queensryche). Not with the Chapman stick though. The Glass Prison. 😀
Same here, except it was Gigantour. Me and my cousin had grass tickets, my other cousin was there and got us in to the lower bowl closer to the stage. It was funny because my cousin pulled out the wrong ticket and we had to go around. I hears DT start and we walked up the to the Lawn. There is when JM cane out and started The Glass Prison. It was epic getting to our seats when the band kicked into full throttle. It was neat hearing the transition into This Dying Soul.
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I think The Killing Hand and Voices need new arrangement for James and they must see the stage light again.
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I think The Killing Hand and Voices need new arrangement for James and they must see the stage light again.
Definitely..I really miss A Mind Beside Itself trilogy..or they could just pick whatever song they'd like to do..but beyond that, for sure, they should really find a way to play them again and be as presentable as possible for James.
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I think The Killing Hand and Voices need new arrangement for James and they must see the stage light again.
So that they could include Voices and TtT, a very simple solution would be to simply excise the verses that are problematic for JL. That's what they did while MP was in the band - playing abridged versions of those 2 songs. It still allowed for those songs to be in the setlist without JL having to struggle. The majority of the song was played so the medley-haters didn't get upset (hi Shmev and Tim! :biggrin:) OTOH, they didn't do that when they performed TtT on the 2017 tour, and his performances of that particular section of the song were often difficult to listen to despite the dropped tuning.
Don't know what they could do in the case of TKH to make it easier on him.
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I think they should keep the sections and just take the time (heh) to write a solid, well thought out, pleasing, and permanent new vocal melody for the tough spots.
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I think they should keep the sections and just take the time (heh) to write a solid, well thought out, pleasing, and permanent new vocal melody for the tough spots.
Yep. I see James Hetfield doing this a bit and it comes off great. Some adjustments and they could definitely pull off those old tunes.
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Along those lines, JLB could easily "dumb down" the melody a bit as well to suit his current voice. Heck, Geddy Lee did it with the Temples of Syrinx section of 2112 for a good 30 years of touring, so I don't see why James couldn't do the same with the tougher sections, rather than still trying to belt them out and sounding not very good. I think that is his biggest problem in recent years, when he tries to do too much. He sounded really good for most of the show when I saw them play all of The Astonishing, but there were a handful of times he tried to take something up into the stratosphere for no reason and it didn't sound good at all. There is nothing wrong with recognizing your limitations and adjusting accordingly.
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All of that. And if JP follows the WWRD dictum, that makes their refusal to do it even more confounding.
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The approach they had on the ADTOE tour, where two or three slots in the setlist rotated from one night to the next, is perfectly feasible, and I'd love for them to do something like that again.
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Try this on for size. Hopefully, you’ll follow the theme I’m suggesting for the second set.
Set 1
On the Backs of Angels
Behind the Veil
S2N
Room 137
Caught in a Web
Disappear
Set 2: The Full Circle Suite
Finally Free
The Glass Prison
Six Degrees Part VII: Losing Time/Grand Finale
As I Am
In the Name of God
The Root of All Evil/
Octavarium (Abridged)*
Encore
Viper King
*Segways from Root of All Evil piano outro into JM bass riff from Octavarium Part II Medicate (Awakening), which are musical codas to each other. This segue allows for JP to switch guitars from E flat to standard tuning. The abridgement also saves 10 minutes in the setlist.
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Try this on for size. Hopefully, you’ll follow the theme I’m suggesting for the second set.
Set 1
On the Backs of Angels
Behind the Veil
S2N
Room 137
Caught in a Web
Disappear
Set 2: The Full Circle Suite
Finally Free
The Glass Prison
Six Degrees Part VII: Losing Time/Grand Finale
As I Am
In the Name of God
The Root of All Evil/
Octavarium (Abridged)*
Encore
Viper King
*Segways from Root of All Evil piano outro into JM bass riff from Octavarium Part II Medicate (Awakening), which are musical codas to each other. This segue allows for JP to switch guitars from E flat to standard tuning. The abridgement also saves 10 minutes in the setlist.
So...something like this???
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*Segways from Root of All Evil piano outro into JM bass riff from Octavarium Part II Medicate (Awakening), which are musical codas to each other. This segue allows for JP to switch guitars from E flat to standard tuning. The abridgement also saves 10 minutes in the setlist.
Oh no. Don't you dare castrate that gigantic masterpiece :omg: Please delete this immediately before JP sees it and thinks about it...
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*Segways from Root of All Evil piano outro into JM bass riff from Octavarium Part II Medicate (Awakening), which are musical codas to each other. This segue allows for JP to switch guitars from E flat to standard tuning. The abridgement also saves 10 minutes in the setlist.
Oh no. Don't you dare castrate that gigantic masterpiece :omg: Please delete this immediately before JP sees it and thinks about it...
I can live with Octa never being played ever again to be honest, but to each their own. Odd idea for a setlist IMHO, but again, to each their own.
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I mentioned before the last tour, that I'd love for them to rotate 'The Razor's Edge' as the end of the concert proper and the last encore.
Better to have five minutes of this epic track, than none at all. And it's such the perfect closer.
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Here is my potential setlist for the next tour (likely to be edited when DT15 is out)
DT15 piece #1
TOWHTSTS or The Killing Hand
DT15 piece #2
Innocence Faded
This Dying Soul
DT15 piece #3
OTBOA
Outcry
BAI
(intermission)
The Enemy Inside
Surrender To Reason
Lord Nafaryus
Three Days
PBD
Encore:
DT15 long piece (given that there will be one) or Illu
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*Segways from Root of All Evil piano outro into JM bass riff from Octavarium Part II Medicate (Awakening), which are musical codas to each other. This segue allows for JP to switch guitars from E flat to standard tuning. The abridgement also saves 10 minutes in the setlist.
Oh no. Don't you dare castrate that gigantic masterpiece :omg: Please delete this immediately before JP sees it and thinks about it...
I usually fast forward past the Someone Like Him section and I suspect I'm not the only one. :P
In any event, the point of the second set was to play the motif where the first song opens with the ending of the prior album, in case it wasn't obvious. I think it would be interesting to see it played out in sequence in a live setting.
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I just skip over the stupid 5 minute intro.
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I usually fast forward past the Someone Like Him section and I suspect I'm not the only one. :P
I just skip over the stupid 5 minute intro.
I virtually always skip the continuum/steel guitar intro. It's terribly boring (and even worse live when it gets extended). If I'm pressed for time, I'll skip all the way to the synth solo at 12:16.
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I don't think I've ever skipped the intro. Nor would it occur to me to do so.
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The intro for Octavarium and by extension the whole first movement is exactly as long as it should be (at least for the studio version).
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I admit that I tend to skip over the Octavarium intro sometimes, but that says absolutely nothing against it. I love the intro, but I also love everything else about Octavarium so I skip to about 3 minutes in so that I can still hear the intro but get to the really really good stuff faster.
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All this 8vm talk, they need to play it this next tour. The venues would erupt at the beginning chords. While the intro is being played, Me and My friend would likely still be amazed they're playing it to notice how long the intro is. 😄
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I am hoping to see Ocatavaruim one day. And all of it. Kind of a bucket-list thing - but I don't do those. :smiley: The extended live version of the intro is a great performance by Jordan!
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Here is my potential setlist for the next tour (likely to be edited when DT15 is out)
DT15 piece #1
TOWHTSTS or The Killing Hand
DT15 piece #2
Innocence Faded
This Dying Soul
DT15 piece #3
OTBOA
Outcry
BAI
(intermission)
The Enemy Inside
Surrender To Reason
Lord Nafaryus
Three Days
PBD
Encore:
DT15 long piece (given that there will be one) or Illu
The second set is looking pretty short - you forget to insert a couple of album #15 songs within there? And while I'd love to see TOWHtStS, there's no way in hell it will ever be performed with the current lineup, and TKH only has a slightly better chance, not even considering how challenging it might be vocally. I'd also scratch IF off the list - no way that JL would be able to pull that one off regularly without them having to heavily alter the vocal melodies, nevermind how obscure it is.
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For fun, and if we’re including new album tracks:
DT15 album opener
Fall Into the Light
The Looking Glass
This is the Life
DT15 song 2
DT15 song 3
Enigma Machine
Outcry
S2N
-intermission-
Bridges in the Sky
DT15 song 4
The Gift of Music
Ravenskill
Moment of Betrayal
DT15 song 5
Far From Heaven
Breaking All Illusions
Pale Blue Dot
-encore-
Barstool Warrior
Viper King
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For fun, and if we’re including new album tracks:
DT15 album opener
Fall Into the Light
The Looking Glass
This is the Life
DT15 song 2
DT15 song 3
Enigma Machine
Outcry
S2N
-intermission-
Bridges in the Sky
DT15 song 4
The Gift of Music
Ravenskill
Moment of Betrayal
DT15 song 5
Far From Heaven
Breaking All Illusions
Pale Blue Dot
-encore-
Barstool Warrior
Viper King
I wouldn't go see them if they played this setlist. ;D
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Dude, DT15 song 4 alone is worth the price of the ticket, I wouldn't miss on that if I were you.
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Here is my potential setlist for the next tour (likely to be edited when DT15 is out)
DT15 piece #1
TOWHTSTS or The Killing Hand
DT15 piece #2
Innocence Faded
This Dying Soul
DT15 piece #3
OTBOA
Outcry
BAI
(intermission)
The Enemy Inside
Surrender To Reason
Lord Nafaryus
Three Days
PBD
Encore:
DT15 long piece (given that there will be one) or Illu
The second set is looking pretty short - you forget to insert a couple of album #15 songs within there? And while I'd love to see TOWHtStS, there's no way in hell it will ever be performed with the current lineup, and TKH only has a slightly better chance, not even considering how challenging it might be vocally. I'd also scratch IF off the list - no way that JL would be able to pull that one off regularly without them having to heavily alter the vocal melodies, nevermind how obscure it is.
you're right, on second thought, Set 2 is short. Might have to edit in 2 pieces from DT15. All these pieces would be ones I'd think would be interesting for this line up to play (TDS in particular), plus adding in Surrender (because it's the only DT12 piece not performed yet, and I like it too, actually) and the selections from TA were my personal favourites as well. (as are TOWHTHSTS and TKH)
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For fun, and if we’re including new album tracks:
DT15 album opener
Fall Into the Light
The Looking Glass
This is the Life
DT15 song 2
DT15 song 3
Enigma Machine
Outcry
S2N
-intermission-
Bridges in the Sky
DT15 song 4
The Gift of Music
Ravenskill
Moment of Betrayal
DT15 song 5
Far From Heaven
Breaking All Illusions
Pale Blue Dot
-encore-
Barstool Warrior
Viper King
I wouldn't go see them if they played this setlist. ;D
I don't know that I'd go that far, but is this the DT15 tour set list or a setlist from the ADTOE tour? I can't conceive that they would go so heavy on the ADTOE songs. And both FFH AND TITL. Bleh....
And why play FITL, BW and PBD when those songs were played on most/all shows of the DOT tour?
While I like most of the songs on this list, the only thing that really excites me is S2N and VK (of course, it's impossible to consider what the DT15 songs will add to the mix).
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Here's my Mangini only set-list.
(DT #15 Song 1)
Room 137
This Is The Life
(DT #15 Song)
Behind The Veil
Ravenskill
S2N
(DT #15 Song)
Chosen
At Wit's End
~Intermisson~
Dystopian Overture/ (Or DT #15 Song)
The Gift of Music
Barstool Warrior
(DT #15 Song)
On The Backs of Angels
Surrender to Reason
Bridges In The Sky
Out of Reach
(DT #15 Song)
Illumination Theory
~Encore~
(DT #15 song)
Breaking All Illusions
That should come out to a good 2:30 or more set.
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Dude, DT15 song 4 alone is worth the price of the ticket, I wouldn't miss on that if I were you.
No doubt it surely is. :metal :lol
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Dude, DT15 song 4 alone is worth the price of the ticket, I wouldn't miss on that if I were you.
No doubt it surely is. :metal :lol
You guys are SOOOOO wrong! DT15 song 4 is just kinda meh. DT15 song 6 is where it's at! Best song on the album! :biggrin:
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Yeah, a MM-only setlist is gonna be a hard pass from me.
Start with the hits of DoT then move backwards in time, and finish it off with an abbreviated Six Degrees and Count of Tuscany. I think it’s a nicely rounded setlist- all the eras represented, and not brutal on LaBrie, physically.
Paralyzed (good heavy opener, DT likes heavy openers)
Barstool Warrior
Moment of Betrayal (good standalone song)
Surrender to Reason
This is the Life (deep cut for the trve fans)
Panic Attack (something for the casual fan who is starting to second guess his ticket purchase)
In the Name of God (keep the heaviness going)
Intermission:
Glass Prison (We’ve waited long enough)
Blind Faith
About to Crash (Reprise) — which transitions PERFECTLY to —
Lines in the Sand (show those Sons of Apollo dudes how it’s done)
Erotomania with some YYZ sprinkled in (give LaBrie a break and pay tribute to their hero)
Another Day (tuned down laid back acoustic version- thank the fans- tell them DT will be back another day- get it??)
Encore:
The Count of Tuscany (EPIC closer!)
BOOM done... I should get paid for this.
I actually really like the idea of Another Day as a laid-back acoustic version, kind of like the piano version of Wither. It could make it a lot easier on the voice for JLB. I don't like it as a set closer though. I think I would do something like this.
Set 1:
The Glass Prison
Room 137
This Is the Life
The Looking Glass
Erotomania
Voices
Hollow Years ('09 version with demo pre-chorus and epic solo)
The Killing Hand
1h:02m
Set 2:
As I Am
Surrender to Reason (listen to the transition between the studio versions... trust me)
Moment of Betrayal
Misunderstood
Viper King
Another Day (acoustic)
S2N
Out of Reach
Solitary Shell
Breaking All Illusions
1h:07m
Encore:
Octavarium
24m
TOTAL: 2h33m plus 15 min intermission. A little shorter than an Evening With but I would be fine with that if it meant it allows JLB to take care of his voice more.
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I think people took my Another Day acoustic as a “set closer” too literally. I’d just have them launch right into Count of Tuscany (with Petrucci still on the Piezo which works as a transition).
Lol I Still stand by my setlist and I’d keep Octavarium in my back pocket for the 40th anniversary tour and 20th anniversary of the song in 2025.
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For fun, and if we’re including new album tracks:
DT15 album opener
Fall Into the Light
The Looking Glass
This is the Life
DT15 song 2
DT15 song 3
Enigma Machine
Outcry
S2N
-intermission-
Bridges in the Sky
DT15 song 4
The Gift of Music
Ravenskill
Moment of Betrayal
DT15 song 5
Far From Heaven
Breaking All Illusions
Pale Blue Dot
-encore-
Barstool Warrior
Viper King
I wouldn't go see them if they played this setlist. ;D
I would! I think Viper King would be a good final encore.. :hat
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For fun, and if we’re including new album tracks:
DT15 album opener
Fall Into the Light
The Looking Glass
This is the Life
DT15 song 2
DT15 song 3
Enigma Machine
Outcry
S2N
-intermission-
Bridges in the Sky
DT15 song 4
The Gift of Music
Ravenskill
Moment of Betrayal
DT15 song 5
Far From Heaven
Breaking All Illusions
Pale Blue Dot
-encore-
Barstool Warrior
Viper King
I wouldn't go see them if they played this setlist. ;D
I would! I think Viper King would be a good final encore.. :hat
After the encore and "the bow" they go back to their instruments and play VK with full house lights. They end the song by slowing walking off stage while still playing.
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I don't think I've ever skipped the intro. Nor would it occur to me to do so.
Yeah, Someone Like Him is one of the best parts of the song. Actual authentic emotion instead of “Sailing on the seven seas . . .” nonsense.
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I don't think I've ever skipped the intro. Nor would it occur to me to do so.
Yeah, Someone Like Him is one of the best parts of the song. Actual authentic emotion instead of “Sailing on the seven seas . . .” nonsense.
Although one person did mention skipping the Someone Like Him section, I think Bosk was specifically responding to my comment about skipping the intro. In that context, "the intro" refers only to the part that Jordan plays on the Continuum and steel guitar. It runs from the beginning of the track until about the 3:48-3:49 mark where the full band comes in. That is the part that I (almost) always skip through (although I did mention that, if I don't have time to listen to the full song, I will sometimes skip all the way to the start of the synth solo at the 12:16 mark (which I think is still part of Medicate)).
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First post here. Pretty much made this account to post in this thread.
It's highly likely they'll have a new album by the time they start an entirely new tour but bare with me here. Tried to make this as "realistic" as possible based on their last couple tours. Each Act clocks in at about 1 hour 10 minutes. Quick note: I'm purposely not including anything from Scenes From a Memory here, because it is consistent with them not playing any Images & Words songs last tour after playing the album in its entirety the tour before.
2021 "At Covid's End" Tour.
Act I:
On the Backs of Angels (2021 is the 10th anniversary of ADToF so they're bound to play a few tracks from it).
The Root of All Evil (fan favorite that they haven't played in a while, haven't played an Octovarium song (that isn't Panic Attack) in quite a while)
Surrender to Reason (only song from DT12 that hasn't been performed live)
Paralyzed
Room 137 (DoT live debut)
Endless Sacrifice (another fan favorite they haven't played in a bit, haven't played a ToT song (that isn't As I Am) in quite a while)
Wither (BC&SL exposure, a bit of a breather for the band)
Bridges in the Sky (ADToF 10th anniversary, fan favorite of the Mangini era. Could easily be subbed out for Outcry or Lost Not Forgotten which haven't been played since the ADToE cycle)
At Wit's End (great set closer + I named the tour after it lol)
Act II:
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (the entire song) (Orchestra only tape-intro of course) (Act II of their past couple tours have tended to honor one of their older classics in someway. This is close enough to the SDOIT 20th anniversary + they haven't played a ton of it since Mangini joined.)
Erotomania (One of the few Awake songs that haven't been played during the Mangini era, also a nice transition away from SDOIT + Labrie gets a break).
S2N (Another DoT live debut)
New Millenium (Some more 90s exposure in a set with only 25ish minutes of 90s material. Also a song they haven't toured in a veryyy long time from an album they rarely play anything from anymore).
The Glass Prison (It finally returns to end Act II, also wanted to include a side one song from SDOIT since they rarely play anything from it anymore).
Encore:
Learning to Live (Images & Words song that isn't Pull Me Under or Metropolis)
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2021 "At Covid's End" Tour.
Great first post! Welcome!
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...it is consistent with them not playing any Images & Words songs last tour after playing the album in its entirety the tour before.
2021 "At Covid's End" Tour...
Great post, But I want to point out that they DID play Pull Me Under on the first US leg of the tour.
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I made this the other day for fun...
The Gift of Music
About to Crash
Lines in the Sand
S2N
Wither
On The Backs of Angels
At Wit’s End
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The Glass Prison
Surrender to Reason
I Walk Beside You
Erotomania
Voices
Octavarium
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Wait For Sleep
Learning to Live
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I'm purposely not including anything from Scenes From a Memory here, because it is consistent with them not playing any Images & Words songs last tour after playing the album in its entirety the tour before.
PMU was the encore on the first U.S. leg of the DOT tour.
Wither (BC&SL exposure, a bit of a breather for the band)
YES, PLEASE!!!
New Millenium (Some more 90s exposure in a set with only 25ish minutes of 90s material. Also a song they haven't toured in a veryyy long time from an album they rarely play anything from anymore).
In the immortal words of Chadwick Boseman, "Aw, hell naw, Karen! Keep your bland-ass potato salad to yourself!" If Repentance didn't exist, NM would be a strong contender for worst song DT ever did.
Also, Peruvian Skies was played on both the DOT and ADTOE tours (although not in the U.S.), Burning My Soul on the 30th anniversary tour, Hell's Kitchen on I&W&B, and Trial of Tears on the DT12 tour, so I can't get completely behind the notion that they "rarely play anything from [FII] anymore."
I made this the other day for fun...
The Gift of Music
About to Crash
Lines in the Sand
S2N
Wither
On The Backs of Angels
At Wit’s End
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The Glass Prison
Surrender to Reason
I Walk Beside You
Erotomania
Voices
Octavarium
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Wait For Sleep
Learning to Live
Aside from the fact that there are no songs from the next album, I'd be totally down with that. The only dud is IWBY (and I'm not a fan of LITS), but seeing ATC again, Wither for the first time, and Octavarium for the first time since the tour for that album would be epic.
That said, the end of this setlist would be hell for JLB.
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Yeah, I was just doing it as an interesting setlist, not necessarily a tour for a new album. And IWBY seems like something they would pull out.
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I made this the other day for fun...
The Gift of Music
About to Crash
Lines in the Sand
S2N
Wither
On The Backs of Angels
At Wit’s End
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The Glass Prison
Surrender to Reason
I Walk Beside You
Erotomania
Voices
Octavarium
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Wait For Sleep
Learning to Live
I think my voice would be gone by the end of this set. Great set.
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I know no one wants to think about the day. But I figured why not imagine a 3 hour final show setlist. All the previous band members are invited and have accepted the invitation. What songs would you choose?
I'll update this page with mine when I'm done. I just wanted to throw this out there while it's still fresh in my mind.
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Not to shoot down your post, Ben, but can I choose to not have any previous band members be invited? :police:
Will construct setlist tomorrow.
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Not to shoot down your post, Ben, but can I choose to not have any previous band members be invited? :police:
Will construct setlist tomorrow.
Go for it...It's just an idea that I am doing for me.
I think I'll just post a new post when I finished mine. Since it's a new page.
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Ok here we go, a 3-hour final show extravaganza Vlasto Send off to Dream Theater tour Feat/ Mike Portnoy, Derek Sherinian, Charlie Dominici, and Kevin Moore...Yes, you heard that right...KEVIN MOORE :heart :heart ;D
Set 1 (No Special Guests):
Bridges In The Sky
Room 137
Moment of Betrayal
The Bigger Picture
Pale Blue Dot
Breaking All Illusions
~45:00
Set 2 (With Guests):
Overture 1928/
Strange Deja-Vu
---With Dominici---
Light Fuse and Get Away (or Status Seeker)
Afterlife
---With Derek Sherinian---
Keyboard Intro/Lines In The Sand w/Dominici backing vocals for Chorus
Trial of Tears
---With Kevin Moore---
Surrounded
Wait For Sleep
Learning to Live
---With Mike Portnoy---
Ytsejam W/Drum Solo
Take The Time W/ MP only Verse
The Spirit Carries On
~1:45:00
Encore:
A Fortune In Lies (w/Mike Portnoy, Charlie Dominici, Kevin Moore) (Incl. Mangini and Rudess)
Metropolis Pt.1 (Includes Everyone) (Extended)
2nd Final Swan Song:
The Best Of Times (w/Mike Portnoy)
(I realized something and I explain it further down the thread)
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There is 100% no way I could sign off on the final song (or any song, for that matter) not including Mangini.
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There is 100% no way I could sign off on the final song (or any song, for that matter) not including Mangini.
I can't sign off on the final song being meaningful, lyrics wise, to only one (ex) band member with said song never been played live before and largely ignored by fans :D
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Also, their final show would HAVE to include Pull Me Under. I’ve actually thought about that type of setlist before. Here’s what I came up with.
Set One
Bridges in the Sky
Room 137
Surrender to Reason
Afterlife (w/Charlie Dominici)
To Live Forever (w/Charlie Dominici)
Panic Attack
Lines in the Sand (w/Derek Sherinian)
As I Am
Set Two
The Glass Prison (w/Mike Portnoy)
Constant Motion (w/Mike Portnoy)
A Life Left Behind
Wither
Another Won (w/Chris Collins)
Caught in a Web
Space-Dye Vest (w/Kevin Moore)
Pull Me Under (w/Kevin Moore)
The Spirit Carries On
Encore
A Change of Seasons (w/all band members past and present)
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Yeah, all things considered, I'd say that, if not the whole A Change of Seasons, at least The Crimson Sunset should close their concerts carreer, can't imagine of a better message to go out to.
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2nd Final Swan Song:
The Best Of Times (w/Mike Portnoy) (no Mangini)
Holy crap, that would be absolutely awful!
There is 100% no way I could sign off on the final song (or any song, for that matter) not including Mangini.
I can't sign off on the final song being meaningful, lyrics wise, to only one (ex) band member with said song never been played live before and largely ignored by fans :D
Agree and agree.
As for the idea of a final set list with everyone participating, it's hard to say since we don't know how many new albums will happen between now and then, but I think for the individual members, I'd go with the following songs:
Collins - Another Won (assuming he's still alive and can sing, etc.)
Dominici - Afterlife and maybe one other from WDADU
Moore - Wait for Sleep/Learning to Live
Sherinian - Trial of Tears
Portnoy - I'll copy what the TheCount wrote: The Glass Prison and/or Constant Motion
Plus the aforementioned ACOS with all ten guys. Probably do an abridged version that shortens it a bit, and the individual guys' solo spots in The Darkest of Winters would have added spots. You would literally have half the audience in tears with The Crimson Sunset.
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Ok here we go, a 3-hour final show extravaganza Vlasto Send off to Dream Theater tour Feat/ Mike Portnoy, Derek Sherinian, Charlie Dominici, and Kevin Moore...Yes, you heard that right...KEVIN MOORE :heart :heart ;D
Set 1 (No Special Guests):
Bridges In The Sky
Room 137
Moment of Betrayal
The Bigger Picture
Pale Blue Dot
Breaking All Illusions
~45:00
Set 2 (With Guests):
Overture 1928/
Strange Deja-Vu
---With Dominici---
Light Fuse and Get Away (or Status Seeker)
Afterlife
---With Derek Sherinian---
Keyboard Intro/Lines In The Sand w/Dominici backing vocals for Chorus
Trial of Tears
---With Kevin Moore---
Surrounded
Wait For Sleep
Learning to Live
---With Mike Portnoy---
Ytsejam W/Drum Solo
Take The Time W/ MP only Verse
The Spirit Carries On
~1:45:00
Encore:
A Fortune In Lies (w/Mike Portnoy, Charlie Dominici, Kevin Moore) (Incl. Mangini and Rudess)
Metropolis Pt.1 (Includes Everyone) (Extended)
2nd Final Swan Song:
The Best Of Times (w/Mike Portnoy) (no Mangini)
No love for Awake? I can't imagine their final show not including at least 1 song from awake.
That would be a fun setlist though if you take out BOT
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Those are all great points, but there is a reason why I included The Best of Times.
Even though the lyrics in the verses are specific, they're vague enough to just be interpreted as memories of a time where things were dandelions and rainbows. Lyrics mainly about reflecting upon those good times. In turn, reinterpreting them to be about the death of the band...
Now hear me out...
It begins with piano and acoustic guitar making a sad atmosphere, like a sadness knowing it has to come and end and theirs nothing you can do about it, as if the time has arrived. At 2:50 The Spirit of Radio like band intro section, which represents the love of Rush the band has, is played during these lyrics...
"Remember days of yesterday
How it flew so fast
The two score and a year we had,
I thought it would always last
Those summer days and west coast dreams
I wished would never end
A young boy and his father,
Idol and best friend ------(You could change this to "A young boy and his bandmates, Idols and best friends")
I'll always remember
Those were the best of times
A lifetime together
I'll never forget ------(A great moment for the Audience to sing this, as it is the Fans saying this to the band and vice versa)
The morning shows on the radio
The case of the missing dog
Lying on the pillows at the old 812
Watching Harold and Maude
The record shops, the stickball fields
My home away from home
And when we weren't together
The hours on the phone-----(Could be interpreted as the band on the road in the hotel rooms, and places they've visited.)
I'll always remember
Those were the best of times
I'll cherish them forever
The best of times"
"But then came the call
Our lives changed forever more
"You can pray for a change
But prepare for the end..." ------(Here is where we get to the point in the bands career where MP announced the call to quit the band, forever changing the life of the band, both for the members and the fans)
I just realized listening to it, At 7:04 Mangini could come in playing Drums as Portnoy switches onto vocals for these lyrics
"The fleeting winds of time
Flying through each day
All the things I should've done
But time just slipped away
Remember seize the day
Life goes by in the blink of an eye
With so much left to say
These were the best of times
I'll miss these days
Your spirit lit my life each day
"Thank you for the inspiration
Thank you for the smiles
All the unconditional love
That carried me for miles
It carried me for miles
But most of all thank you for my life" ------ This section He is singing to the audience
Then he hops onto Drums again while he, JLB, JP, and the audience all sing
"These were the best of times
I'll miss these days
Your spirit lit my life each day
My heart is bleeding bad
But I'll be OK
Your spirit guides my life each day"
and we end with an Epic Extended JP guitar solo....with Mangini and MP at the drums...
I would also then take out TSCO and replace it with Metropolis. Pt.1. Have the Encore be ACOS with everyone...
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Ben_Jamin, I’m totally down with your idea...besides The Best of Time. And trust me, having Portnoy sing part of it, doesn’t make me want it to happen!
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I'd love to see DT do one day what Spock's Beard did for their 20th anniversary compilation (and few shows) where they (well, Neal) wrote an epic song that featured all the current members at the time + almost all the former members. I know there's still some drama with DT and some of the former members (like Kev not wanting anything to do with DT anymore or Derek being still bitter and making everybody know about it), but a man can dream :biggrin:
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I’m sure Derek is bitter, but I don’t think he would be against doing a reunion show. He played at the WDADU 15th anniversary concert. He wasn’t even on the album! It still seems strange for him to have been there for that show. Like “sorry Kevin Moore won’t come, here’s...Derek”. Umm, cool?
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Those are all great points, but there is a reason why I included The Best of Times.
Even though the lyrics in the verses are specific, they're vague enough to just be interpreted as memories of a time where things were dandelions and rainbows. Lyrics mainly about reflecting upon those good times. In turn, reinterpreting them to be about the death of the band...
Still no.
First and foremost, this would be a Dream Theater show, not a "thank you for all your years of service, Mike Portnoy, show." Mike Portnoy is not a member of Dream Theater and, as of the time of this hypothetical show, he will not have been a member for well over a decade. This would basically say, "it's all about you, MP," which it isn't. Second, while your attempt to turn MP's tribute to his dead father into an analogy for DT's career is admirable, the song is what it is, and that's how it would be viewed by the overwhelming majority of audiences. Third, the song just isn't very good. Fourth, MP singing?!?! Dear god no. Why not have him take over each instrument at some point throughout the song? Again, it's not all about MP.
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I'm going to be selfish so I'll just post the stuff I want to hear from DT if this show ever happens. This should amount to three hours or slightly more with the breaks and the stage banter.
Set 1:
False Awakening Suite (tape)
In the Presence of Enemies, Pt. 1 (9:00)
Voices (ft. Kevin Moore) (9:53)
The Silent Man (acoustic with JLB and JP only) (3:47)
Three Days (3:44)
Chosen (4:32)
Moment of Betrayal (6:11)
Vacant (2:57)
Stream of Consciousness (ft. MP) (11:16)
In the Name of God (ft. MP) (14:14)
Total time: 65:34
Set 2:
Home (12:53)
Hollow Years (5:55) (I guess Derek can play something here if he wishes to)
Panic Attack (7:16)
The Bigger Picture (7:40)
Disappear (6:46)
At Wit's End (9:20)
In the Presence of Enemies, Pt. 2 (16:38)
Total time: 66:28
Encore 1: Pull Me Under (8:13)
Encore 2: Breaking All Illusions (12:25)
Total music length: 2 hours, 32 minutes and 40 seconds, add a 15-minute break between two sets and time for stage banter and the encore break and I believe you could fit this in three hours slot.
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I am terrible at set list construction, and don't know how well all that would flow... but that is a solid set Evermind.
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I am terrible at set list construction, and don't know how well all that would flow... but that is a solid set Evermind.
Probably not too well. :lol Imagine the first two songs building up momentum and then it's the acoustic song where most of the band leaves the stage.
I'd love to see something like this though. I did put some thought into it regarding JLB vocals and I think he could pull this one off fairly well though, so there's that too. Voices might sound a little rough, but other than that I think it's good.
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It's a bit "ballad" heavy for what they typically do, with 5 ballady songs in the set. But despite that and 2 bottom 10 songs in the set, overall, I like it nonetheless.
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I wouldn't mind that set at all...
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I virtually always skip the continuum/steel guitar intro. It's terribly boring (and even worse live when it gets extended). If I'm pressed for time, I'll skip all the way to the synth solo at 12:16.
Same here. I've long found the first half of Octavarium a bit boring and so I don't mind skipping large chunks of it whenever I listen to the album. It's really only at that synth-led section that it finally gets going for real. Although I still think that if they're gonna play it live, it should be the full song for sure.
Also, some of you guys are really terrible at constructing setlists. :lol
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Also, some of you guys are really terrible at constructing setlists. :lol
I think so too every time we have a setlist thread but I never dared to say it :rollin
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Well, now that we're in the middle of a global pandemic, its possible the next album will be released before they can get back out on the road. That would considerably change future setlists from what we think they might possibly be without the new album in the mix. There are still a lot of unknowns at this point.
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Well, now that we're in the middle of a global pandemic, its possible the next album will be released before they can get back out on the road. That would considerably change future setlists from what we think they might possibly be without the new album in the mix. There are still a lot of unknowns at this point.
I think there's a small chance for a brief tour earlier next year if everything is back to some sort of "normal", but the most logical step for them would be to make a new album first.
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Yea no point in continuing the tour for DOT IMO, might as well take the time now to make some new music for release in 2021 and go out on tour once its safe too to support it. In the meantime release the DOT/SFAM concert from London to keep the customers happy.
I really am not a fan, for example, how Iron Maiden just pushed back their tour to next year which was already a multiyear tour. Just move on at this point.
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Agreed. Release the live in London material and work on the new album which I'm sure they're already doing. I hope they really take their time in making the new record. :tup
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I can't imagine the sheer amount of bands trying to tour at the same time once concerts are allowed again. It's going to be mayhem and bands are going to suffer yet again because every night will have a concert and affording them all will be impossible.
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Agreed. Release the live in London material and work on the new album which I'm sure they're already doing. I hope they really take their time in making the new record. :tup
Well, there's plenty of time so really no excuses to not take their time
I can't imagine the sheer amount of bands trying to tour at the same time once concerts are allowed again. It's going to be mayhem and bands are going to suffer yet again because every night will have a concert and affording them all will be impossible.
Yea, I think there may be some logistic nightmares once things open back up because of this issue. I kind of feel like thats why bands are announcing dates in 2021 already, so they can lock in those tours before anyone else even though there's no real proof that tours can even happen in 2021 yet. Also, pricing might be insane to make up for lost revenue. I really hope that's not the case, but I'm kind of expecting it.
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I can't imagine the sheer amount of bands trying to tour at the same time once concerts are allowed again. It's going to be mayhem and bands are going to suffer yet again because every night will have a concert and affording them all will be impossible.
It's gonna be a clash of rescheduled concerts and bands that would naturally be touring in 2021, for example bands recording this year.
On the other hand, if you have the money and the stamina to go to work in the morning, concerts galore six days per week :metal smart working directly from the venue :metal :biggrin: :lol
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Yea, I think there may be some logistic nightmares once things open back up because of this issue. I kind of feel like thats why bands are announcing dates in 2021 already, so they can lock in those tours before anyone else even though there's no real proof that tours can even happen in 2021 yet. Also, pricing might be insane to make up for lost revenue. I really hope that's not the case, but I'm kind of expecting it.
In addition to that, I am also worried that the pandemic will have such an impact on people's income that there will be less audience that can afford concert tickets. Even if touring does start next year, it will take time to get things to where they used to be.
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This is going to begin the era of streaming live concerts. People aren't going to be able to afford them all, but they might pay $9.99 to get access to a concert in real time and for the next week or so.
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Agreed. Release the live in London material and work on the new album which I'm sure they're already doing. I hope they really take their time in making the new record. :tup
Well, there's plenty of time so really no excuses to not take their time
Exactly! :2metal:
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This is going to begin the era of streaming live concerts. People aren't going to be able to afford them all, but they might pay $9.99 to get access to a concert in real time and for the next week or so.
I cannot imagine spending $0.09 on a streaming concert. But if there is a market for it and bands can take advantage and help support themselves, I am all for it.
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This is going to begin the era of streaming live concerts. People aren't going to be able to afford them all, but they might pay $9.99 to get access to a concert in real time and for the next week or so.
I cannot imagine spending $0.09 on a streaming concert. But if there is a market for it and bands can take advantage and help support themselves, I am all for it.
This is interesting, and I was thinking about this yesterday, so I'm not directing this at you Chris. Personally, I kind of feel the same way.
BUT... We'll pay almost $100 to GO to the concert, yet won't pay $9.99 to simply watch it on a screen.
I'd pay twice as much is there was a way to actually download it and keep the concert somehow.
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This is going to begin the era of streaming live concerts. People aren't going to be able to afford them all, but they might pay $9.99 to get access to a concert in real time and for the next week or so.
I cannot imagine spending $0.09 on a streaming concert. But if there is a market for it and bands can take advantage and help support themselves, I am all for it.
This is interesting, and I was thinking about this yesterday, so I'm not directing this at you Chris. Personally, I kind of feel the same way.
BUT... We'll pay almost $100 to GO to the concert, yet won't pay $9.99 to simply watch it on a screen.
I'd pay twice as much is there was a way to actually download it and keep the concert somehow.
Bingo. I would only pay for a concert stream/video if I could download it and watch it at my convenience. I guess that’s the line I draw.
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As I am listening to my itunes on shuffle, False Awakening Suite begins to be played. Expecting a newer heavy song next, it decides to play a DT song, and what does it play...WITHER.
I laughed hard as I thought, Damn Itunes is trolling me hard, Imagine DT opening a set like that.
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As I am listening to my itunes on shuffle, False Awakening Suite begins to be played. Expecting a newer heavy song next, it decides to play a DT song, and what does it play...WITHER.
I laughed hard as I thought, Damn Itunes is trolling me hard, Imagine DT opening a set like that.
I just got FITL and HTF back to back on DT shuffle :metal :metal :metal
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So...Since bands started to announce their rescheduled tour dates. I started thinking of Dream Theater and their set list for when they decide to tour. Likely, when they release the new album.
Without taking the new album into account...
Here's a set-list for if they were to do a quick warm-up style leg. Meaning full show but no new songs from the new album.
Overture (Pre-recorded Intro Tape)/
About To Crash
Room 137
Blind Faith
Lost Not Forgotten
Chosen
S2N
Breaking All Illusions
---Intermission---
The Glass Prison
The Enemy Inside
Misunderstood
Bridges In The Sky
Stream Of Consciousness
About To Crash (Reprise)
Surrender To Reason
At Wit's End
---Encore---
Octavarium
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Interesting setlist. Doubt you'll ever see TGP or BF in the setlist again (altho I'd be happy to be proven wrong as I love both tracks). And AtC(R) w/o LT/GF? Even if you had them go directly into StR, it doesn't flow at all. Can't see them following up TGP with TEI - maybe have TEI somewhere else in the set. I can see why you included much from SDoIT (for the 20th anniversary), but 3 tracks from both ADToE and d/t? Maybe one from ADToE and 2 from d/t, but that's about it, especially given that there's nothing from their first 5 albums nor SC or BCaSL in included.
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So...Since bands started to announce their rescheduled tour dates. I started thinking of Dream Theater and their set list for when they decide to tour. Likely, when they release the new album.
Without taking the new album into account...
Here's a set-list for if they were to do a quick warm-up style leg. Meaning full show but no new songs from the new album.
Overture (Pre-recorded Intro Tape)/
About To Crash
Room 137
Blind Faith
Lost Not Forgotten
Chosen
S2N
Breaking All Illusions
---Intermission---
The Glass Prison
The Enemy Inside
Misunderstood
Bridges In The Sky
Stream Of Consciousness
About To Crash (Reprise)
Surrender To Reason
At Wit's End
---Encore---
Octavarium
Octavarium is long overdue for a comeback. I think most would agree that it is one of the band's most popular songs, yet it has not been played in full since 2006. I can't think of another major fan favorite that has had that long of a hiatus (from full plays; I am not counting the part of it in the medley on the SC tour).
I just hope they don't ignore songs from The Astonishing going forward.
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Octavarium and The Glass Prison are both due for a comeback. A Change of Seasons was obviously the big one, but now that they brought that back as the encore for the Images, Words, & Beyond tour, the two aforementioned songs should absolutely be the next two in line. Neither has been played since 2006, and pretty much every other fan favorite has been played since then. They’re more than overdue.
Plus if I experience Octavarium (my favorite song ever written) live I can die happy.
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Yep. Octavaruim is a total bucket list item. Home was another and it lived up to my hype! :metal
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Here's a setlist I'd be down to see for the DT15 tour, with all non-DT15 songs being ones I haven't seen live yet:
DT15 Single
The Glass Prison
DT15 Song
Surrender To Reason
Panic Attack
DT15 Song
At Wit's End
(Intermission)
DT15 Song
Solitary Shell
S2N
Erotomania
DT15 Song
(Encore)
Octavarium
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I would love that set list just above me. Would be awesome.
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TGP and 8V are the two songs they need to start playing. You don't create songs like that if you choose to ignore them 😉
I would love The Count of Tuscany also. However it's a great closer in the same way that 8V kind of need to be a closer (yeah I remember Score) so can't have both I guess 🤔
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I'd love bringing back some past staples like Hollow Years, Erotomania, Voices, The Glass Prison, Blind Faith, Stream of Consciousness, Only a Matter of Time, Octavarium..I mean the list goes on and on..unfortunately the biggest issue is that we get a fixed, never changing set list per album cycle..I hope some of us won't have children to college just to see again some of these songs.. :P
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I'd love bringing back some past staples like Hollow Years, Erotomania, Voices, The Glass Prison, Blind Faith, Stream of Consciousness, Only a Matter of Time, Octavarium..I mean the list goes on and on..unfortunately the biggest issue is that we get a fixed, never changing set list per album cycle..I hope some of us won't have children to college just to see again some of these songs.. :P
The static setlist doesn't bother me, as much as how every tour since Along For The Ride Tour has had a set dedicated to an album. And this isn't just a dream theater issue, this was also when the music business was starting to begin doing "Album Anniversary or Album Dedicated tours".
Just look at how I&W&B evolved into the massive tour it did. Which was not the plan at all. If the Promoters never seized the opportunity to have them play, as it is their most known album and most loved, a lot of us never would have even seen this tour.
Now, what I do want to see and hope the band does this upcoming tour, is to forgo any album celebration what so ever, and make sets that don't revolve around that album.
A Dramatic Tour of Events, has an amazing setlist, and this was done without the set having to revolve around the album.
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For sure I wouldn't want them doing any album dedication in their playlist too. I've enjoyed them in the last tours but right about now I feel everyone is burned out up until this point. Also doing something like the ADTOE tour approach with the playlists would be great but the last reference of a proper setlist is the DT12 tour..my guess is that they will remove any solo spots and just make time for more songs..then it's up to them to fit in as much of their old and new material that understandably have to promote.
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With the gift of insight, the SFAM portion of the Along for the Ride tour was forgettable. It was cool to hear half of Awake, but dedicating 30 minutes of the set to SFAM while in a couple of tours we would have gotten the whole thing was a bit of a waste.
Heck, they could have still kept Finally Free as a show closer, and play two other songs in place of Overture / SDV and Dance of Eternity; any two older songs that weren't played on the Dramatic tour would have worked for a more rounded setlist.
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With the gift of insight, the SFAM portion of the Along for the Ride tour was forgettable. It was cool to hear half of Awake, but dedicating 30 minutes of the set to SFAM while in a couple of tours we would have gotten the whole thing was a bit of a waste.
Heck, they could have still kept Finally Free as a show closer, and play two other songs in place of Overture / SDV and Dance of Eternity; any two older songs that weren't played on the Dramatic tour would have worked for a more rounded setlist.
I disagree. It is important to note that that tour was the first where nothing was played from Images & Words, so playing some Scenes songs was almost a must, since I&W and Scenes are easily their two most popular albums, especially amongst what passes as casual DT fans. That tour was a great balance of a lot of new stuff, a couple of songs from the prior album, a bunch of deep cuts for the diehards (Trial of Tears and half of Awake) and then a few songs from one of their two biggest albums.
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With the gift of insight, the SFAM portion of the Along for the Ride tour was forgettable. It was cool to hear half of Awake, but dedicating 30 minutes of the set to SFAM while in a couple of tours we would have gotten the whole thing was a bit of a waste.
Heck, they could have still kept Finally Free as a show closer, and play two other songs in place of Overture / SDV and Dance of Eternity; any two older songs that weren't played on the Dramatic tour would have worked for a more rounded setlist.
I disagree. It is important to note that that tour was the first where nothing was played from Images & Words, so playing some Scenes songs was almost a must, since I&W and Scenes are easily their two most popular albums, especially amongst what passes as casual DT fans. That tour was a great balance of a lot of new stuff, a couple of songs from the prior album, a bunch of deep cuts for the diehards (Trial of Tears and half of Awake) and then a few songs from one of their two biggest albums.
I disagree with you, and agree with MM. MM's not saying that they shouldn't have included anything from SFaM, but one track would've been more than enough rather than a 4-song encore. Keep in mind that they completely ignored playing *anything* from 6 other albums on that tour (save for a few times when PMU was added for some summer festival dates). Surely playing one track from WDaDU would have been nice since it *also* was celebrating a milestone anniversary at that point (25 years at that point) and a case could've been made for them to have included a few tracks from the other albums not represented, too.
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With the gift of insight, the SFAM portion of the Along for the Ride tour was forgettable. It was cool to hear half of Awake, but dedicating 30 minutes of the set to SFAM while in a couple of tours we would have gotten the whole thing was a bit of a waste.
Heck, they could have still kept Finally Free as a show closer, and play two other songs in place of Overture / SDV and Dance of Eternity; any two older songs that weren't played on the Dramatic tour would have worked for a more rounded setlist.
I disagree. It is important to note that that tour was the first where nothing was played from Images & Words, so playing some Scenes songs was almost a must, since I&W and Scenes are easily their two most popular albums, especially amongst what passes as casual DT fans. That tour was a great balance of a lot of new stuff, a couple of songs from the prior album, a bunch of deep cuts for the diehards (Trial of Tears and half of Awake) and then a few songs from one of their two biggest albums.
I disagree with you, and agree with MM. MM's not saying that they shouldn't have included anything from SFaM, but one track would've been more than enough rather than a 4-song encore. Keep in mind that they completely ignored playing *anything* from 6 other albums on that tour (save for a few times when PMU was added for some summer festival dates). Surely playing one track from WDaDU would have been nice since it *also* was celebrating a milestone anniversary at that point (25 years at that point) and a case could've been made for them to have included a few tracks from the other albums not represented, too.
and I actually distinctly remember John mentioning them wanting to include OAMOT in 2014 but there was no time left in the set for it (I'd have loved to have heard this one though, really.)
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I'll still never forgive them for dropping Don't Look Past Me from the I&W&B tour before they hit Philly. What a slap in the face to the die-hard fans who look forward to seeing that kind of rare shit. It's not like they're KISS who expects their fans to only know the hits.
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JP mentioned how it seemed like no one in the audience knew DLPM when they played it. So they dropped it. Also James was struggling with it. JP didn’t say that. I did.
But…if you look at their post-Portnoy setlists, they’ve been going in a more “hits” direction. Not digging all that deep, and repeating a few of universally loved songs quite a bit.
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JP mentioned how it seemed like no one in the audience knew DLPM when they played it. So they dropped it. Also James was struggling with it. JP didn’t say that. I did.
But…if you look at their post-Portnoy setlists, they’ve been going in a more “hits” direction. Not digging all that deep, and repeating a few of universally loved songs quite a bit.
And I blame the band, for not having JLB introduce the song, and what it is they will be playing. When you let people know that this next song, is one that is a rare song that has ties to the album they will be playing in it's entirety, and is special, more people would have understood and been more interested in it.
The way they did it, was throwing this Rare, unheard of by the masses, song right in their face with no explanation for what this song they're hearing is. I remember, looking at the setlist after the first show, and seeing the set list mention "New Song". It was quite a while before someone changed them to show it was Don't Look Past Me, and not a new song. Everybody in that audience had a confused look of what the hell is this song.
I was fortunate and really damn happy they decided to play it here at my show, because they never come here to headline. And getting to see them, here, and the one song I never, ever, expected them to play at all, and they played it, I was in Euphoria. Even though, JLB couldn't do that song justice anymore, it was still a nice treat, and I was singing away, in the front row, in front of JP, and did the other background lyrics, where JLB does the lead parts. I think the band was at least, glad I knew the song, and was singing along to it. :lol
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I know at some shows, he did introduce Don’t Look Past Me and To Live Forever as songs that were written during the I&W days. But the thing is, with a lot of fans, even if you introduce the song, and they don’t actually know it, it’s going to be hard for them to get into it. I for one, like you, knew the song. I’ve known it for years. And I thought it was awesome they brought it out and was disappointed to see they didn’t finish off the tour with it. Or start doing it at the beginning. However, I understand that when there are 2 or 3 thousand people in the audience and maybe 100 people (that’s probably stretching it) know the song. I can see why they cut it. A band doesn’t want to play a song that gets no reaction from the crowd just to appease a handful of fans. That’s not fun.
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I'll still never forgive them for dropping Don't Look Past Me from the I&W&B tour before they hit Philly. What a slap in the face to the die-hard fans who look forward to seeing that kind of rare shit.
If there's a cosmic equalizer somewhere, I'd gladly give up having seen it. It's not a particularly good song to begin with, and James was not up to it.
JP mentioned how it seemed like no one in the audience knew DLPM when they played it. So they dropped it. Also James was struggling with it. JP didn’t say that. I did.
Yup. You had a small handful of people freaking out over it and about 70% of the audience saying, "huh?"
I know at some shows, he did introduce Don’t Look Past Me and To Live Forever as songs that were written during the I&W days. But the thing is, with a lot of fans, even if you introduce the song, and they don’t actually know it, it’s going to be hard for them to get into it. I for one, like you, knew the song. I’ve known it for years. And I thought it was awesome they brought it out and was disappointed to see they didn’t finish off the tour with it. Or start doing it at the beginning. However, I understand that when there are 2 or 3 thousand people in the audience and maybe 100 people (that’s probably stretching it) know the song. I can see why they cut it. A band doesn’t want to play a song that gets no reaction from the crowd just to appease a handful of fans. That’s not fun.
I knew DLPM was coming and had heard it a few times over the years, but I was pretty lukewarm about it because I don't think it's particularly good (there's a reason it never made it onto an album). Same with TLF, which I knew even better (they played it at, I think, three of the first shows I saw back in 92 and 93) but also don't think too highly of.
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I know at some shows, he did introduce Don’t Look Past Me and To Live Forever as songs that were written during the I&W days. But the thing is, with a lot of fans, even if you introduce the song, and they don’t actually know it, it’s going to be hard for them to get into it. I for one, like you, knew the song. I’ve known it for years. And I thought it was awesome they brought it out and was disappointed to see they didn’t finish off the tour with it. Or start doing it at the beginning. However, I understand that when there are 2 or 3 thousand people in the audience and maybe 100 people (that’s probably stretching it) know the song. I can see why they cut it. A band doesn’t want to play a song that gets no reaction from the crowd just to appease a handful of fans. That’s not fun.
I really think it'd be cool if there was a study that asked, "Why do people go to a concert?" That would be interesting to know, as it would show how the general audience reacts to certain songs, and how the general reaction the band will feel for how the audience is receiving the song. It'd be like if Meshuggah suddenly went into a Showtunes song, imagine the reaction to that :lol .
I know it all depends on the band themselves and whether they care about that reaction or not. And Dream Theater does.
But, also, the I&W&B tour drew in a lot of casual fans that only bought Images and Words just for Pull Me Under. These people bought tickets to the show. And there was apparently enough of a draw for it, that promoters were almost salivating over it. Those people, were the audience at the show I went to. Those people, are the only reason the band actually got to play at that venue, and I think the amount of promoters wanting the Tour to come, prompted the band to forgo the video screens to accommodate these areas venues, which are smaller and can't accommodate the size of a video screen.
And in all honesty, That setlist wasn't a bad first set at all, it included some songs that the general casual listener of Pull Me Under would enjoy. A rocking metal opener with a headbanging outro, newer songs to showcase the sound the band has now, an instrumental, and even a JM bass solo cover homage. Also, even a Metallica Riff inserted into a song, something of a throwback to Peruvian Skies, which was also headbanging and different.
Now that I think about it. I can see how To Live Forever and Don't Look Past Me would get the reaction they got. And it's due to their placement in the set, the same with The Astonishing songs. Maybe if they were placed before Breaking All Illusions they would've got a bit of a better reaction, but who knows.
And the only other choice was putting in their next most beloved ballad, The Spirit Carries On.
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I really liked that first set. Besides Hell’s Kitchen and The Bigger Picture, (and the aforementioned deep cuts and Astonishing tracks) the rest of that set was the closest thing to a “greatest hits” kind of set. Imagine something like this…
The Dark Eternal Night
Lie
Solitary Shell
Panic Attack
The Spirit Carries On
As I Am
Breaking All Illusions
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Pull Me Under
Another Day
Take the Time
Surrounded
Metropolis, Pt. 1
Under a Glass Moon
Wait for Sleep
Learning to Live
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A Change of Seasons
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Yup. I would consider these all to be the DT "Greatest Hits" and "Best Album" tour.
I would've loved that just for Solitary Shell.
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JP mentioned how it seemed like no one in the audience knew DLPM when they played it. So they dropped it. Also James was struggling with it. JP didn’t say that. I did.
Yup. You had a small handful of people freaking out over it and about 70% of the audience saying, "huh?"
No offense, but so what? How else do you get the audience to become familiar with more of the songs? If the band did a full show or even just a full set of rarities that few people were familiar with, you might have a point. But throwing in one or two rarities for the diehards in a 2.5+ hour show is not unreasonable. I know you don't like it, but that's how Raise the Knife was brought to the attention of the general fanbase: because it was included during some shows on the 20th Anniversary tour and was released on Score.
That's one thing I hate about how the setlists are handled now - if a song doesn't elicit much of a fan reaction, JP will have it dropped from the set, and TSCO will be added for the umpteenth time again. That's what happened after both DLPM and TLF were both dropped.
Even back in 2011, they dropped TGD - an album track - from the setlists because of a lack of audience response.
I know at some shows, he did introduce Don’t Look Past Me and To Live Forever as songs that were written during the I&W days. But the thing is, with a lot of fans, even if you introduce the song, and they don’t actually know it, it’s going to be hard for them to get into it. I for one, like you, knew the song. I’ve known it for years. And I thought it was awesome they brought it out and was disappointed to see they didn’t finish off the tour with it. Or start doing it at the beginning. However, I understand that when there are 2 or 3 thousand people in the audience and maybe 100 people (that’s probably stretching it) know the song. I can see why they cut it. A band doesn’t want to play a song that gets no reaction from the crowd just to appease a handful of fans. That’s not fun.
I knew DLPM was coming and had heard it a few times over the years, but I was pretty lukewarm about it because I don't think it's particularly good (there's a reason it never made it onto an album). Same with TLF, which I knew even better (they played it at, I think, three of the first shows I saw back in 92 and 93) but also don't think too highly of.
It's funny - first time I saw DT live was during their summer run in 1993. At my show, they played TLF, Eve, Puppies on Acid and had SSeeker with the revised intro. How did I respond? I was *elated* for something new/different! It was exciting to me to learn about these new songs or changes. That's what I love about live shows: not seeing carbon copy performances of stuff I already know - I can always listen to the CDs for that - but variations, surprises, changes, new stuff, so that the experience is something special.
I know it all depends on the band themselves and whether they care about that reaction or not. And Dream Theater does.
Sadly, too much since MP's left. The only time they really didn't was when they did the TA tour. Just as they don't cater to the fans when writing a new album, so I wish they keep the same mentality when it comes to putting together the setlist.
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Yeah, it is crazy to drop a song that almost no one in the audience is reacting to, and then insert a song that crowds go nuts for. What insanity!! :lol :lol
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Sadly, too much since MP's left. The only time they really didn't was when they did the TA tour. Just as they don't cater to the fans when writing a new album, so I wish they keep the same mentality when it comes to putting together the setlist.
Didn't they dropped some songs from TA at the end of the tour to add AIA, PMU and TSCO to the setlist?
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Yeah, it is crazy to drop a song that almost no one in the audience is reacting to, and then insert a song that crowds go nuts for. What insanity!! :lol :lol
Right?! Some people have this “hardcore fan” mentality and think it’s insane that not everyone else does as well.
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Yeah, it is crazy to drop a song that almost no one in the audience is reacting to, and then insert a song that crowds go nuts for. What insanity!! :lol :lol
The thing also, that I myself feel, is Dream Theater setlists have been focusing on songs that fit the overall vibe of the new album or tour. And when songs have an odd setlist position, that can affect the flow and make people lose interest.
Not everyone who sees Dream Theater is a music fan, and not everyone is a big fan, like us in this forum. They rely on touring and merchandise for Band Income, and need to get as many seats as possible to make profit from each show. The reason ticket prices have been so high, is due to the fact that the production of bands, in general, has really approved and are really neat and pretty, but that costs money and it's not cheap.
So you either, make more money and can do more Band Related things by playing a setlist and songs that generate people in the seats, or play to your dedicated fans only.
The thing also, is, that JP doesn't have a "Fan Mentality" like MP does. JP has that business mentality and this affects how the band is ran.
I've said before, MP did a lot for the band, because he still is a music fan at heart, and still has that "Fan Mentality". It's why he personally goes out of his way to do things that the fans will enjoy, as he also enjoys these things, he was the one to suggest making The Absolute Universe a double album, he went out of his way to even make a combined Ultimate Version.
And now since he is gone, that fan mindset is gone and these things the fans loved are now gone and Dream Theater are now like your regular band. These things that MP did is why I say that Dream Theater fans were spoiled, because MP went out of his way to give these gifts to the fans, that no band has thought of doing, or wanted to put in the effort to do.
It's also why I ask, did you really like the band, or was it just all the perks that kept you interested in the band?...
I myself, love the band and their music. I, as a fan of music and Dream Theater, am just along for the ride. And this goes for any band I follow or go to see.
I have my issues with bands that do not play anything else besides their hits, and is a very big reason why I do not like festival shows, and bands touring with a big lineup. I also, see the reason why though. And I, see this as an effect of music education and understanding. As many other places in the world actually incorporate music into their cultures and therefore will have many styles of bands and music being enjoyed by the masses. Japan is a great example of this, based on their audiences, and the style of music their people release and listen to. Just look at Anime, and it's music.
I just wish bands wouldn't and shouldn't care about what songs they play live. If people don't react to it, so what. Not everyone reacts to music the same. Now if they boo, then I'll understand the song being dropped.
Sadly, I tend to enjoy the songs that bands happen to not even bother with live. :lol But I still go see the band, because I like the band and want to see them play their songs live, and to me, it really doesn't matter what they play. It's why I waited to look at the setlists, as much as I could, and was surprised by the songs when they were played.
The availability of being able to look at the setlists, is also why, I think, people do not go to the shows, because they apparently care about what songs the band plays. When I look up the sets, I say oh cool, or oh, well ok, guess I'll be jamming out those songs again, maybe they'll do something different, but these songs never sound the same, as each member can have off or on days, and that can affect how the song is played.
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JP mentioned how it seemed like no one in the audience knew DLPM when they played it. So they dropped it. Also James was struggling with it. JP didn’t say that. I did.
Yup. You had a small handful of people freaking out over it and about 70% of the audience saying, "huh?"
No offense, but so what?
Not really sure what this question is supposed to mean. I was just confirming JP's observation, as related by Trav86.
How else do you get the audience to become familiar with more of the songs?
I don't think there was any need for the band to "get the audience to become familiar" with a relatively obscure, 25-year old song that wasn't deemed good enough to make it onto an album.
If the band did a full show or even just a full set of rarities that few people were familiar with, you might have a point. But throwing in one or two rarities for the diehards in a 2.5+ hour show is not unreasonable.
I never suggested otherwise. However, neither was it unreasonable for the band to drop the song from the setlist when it was poorly received.
It's funny - first time I saw DT live was during their summer run in 1993. At my show, they played TLF, Eve, Puppies on Acid and had SSeeker with the revised intro. How did I respond? I was *elated* for something new/different! It was exciting to me to learn about these new songs or changes. That's what I love about live shows: not seeing carbon copy performances of stuff I already know - I can always listen to the CDs for that - but variations, surprises, changes, new stuff, so that the experience is something special.
Cool. However, it's 2021, not 1993. I first saw DT in November 1992. I was familiar with I&W, but I'd never before heard Only a Matter of Time, Ytse Jam or The Killing Hand (and, in February 1993, A Fortune in Lies). I think I knew they had an album before I&W, so I (correctly) assumed those were songs off that album. I didn't even have a computer yet, much less anything like YouTube where I could check out pre-existing material. But here's the difference. Those songs were good. When To Live Forever showed up in June 1993, my reaction was less positive. You can bust out all the obscure stuff you want, if it's good.
I know it all depends on the band themselves and whether they care about that reaction or not. And Dream Theater does.
Sadly, too much since MP's left. The only time they really didn't was when they did the TA tour. Just as they don't cater to the fans when writing a new album, so I wish they keep the same mentality when it comes to putting together the setlist.
I'm at a loss to understand why it's a negative for an artist to care about its audiences' reactions, but it's more than just caring about the audience's reaction; it's also caring about the audience. Force-feeding the audience an obscure song that isn't getting a good reaction just to satisfy a small minority of the fans isn't a positive thing.
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I just wish bands wouldn't and shouldn't care about what songs they play live.
Quoting just this part of your post for the sake of length (and I agreed with a lot of the rest of your post)...
I think bands should care what the fans want when it comes to live show to an extent (vs in the studio when what fans want should no matter at all). No, fans should not dictate what gets played, but what songs go over well and what songs do not should certainly be taken into consideration, and if an obscure song is doing nothing for live crowds, dropping it makes total sense. In the case of Don't Look Past Me, that is an obscure non-album song, and not even of their better ones, and it sounds like almost no one was giving a crap about it getting played, so why keep playing it? So a handful of diehards online can stay excited about it? Nah.
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I think what all of this boils down to is that as DT goes on, they have to appeal to the wider audience more. Because frankly, a majority of the audience hasn’t been a fan for 20+ years. They weren’t around to get the ytsejam bootlegs, let alone the fan club CDs. If it’s not on iTunes and Spotify, a lot of people don’t know it.
On top of that, as they get older they are becoming more nostalgic, devoting lots of time celebrating album anniversaries. Although, I doubt they will do those for any other albums.
So yeah…for the old folks who’ve been around forever and know everything ever recorded by the band, the shows aren’t going to be perfect for you. I don’t see that changing much either.
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Cool. However, it's 2021, not 1993. I first saw DT in November 1992. I was familiar with I&W, but I'd never before heard Only a Matter of Time, Ytse Jam or The Killing Hand (and, in February 1993, A Fortune in Lies). I think I knew they had an album before I&W, so I (correctly) assumed those were songs off that album. I didn't even have a computer yet, much less anything like YouTube where I could check out pre-existing material. But here's the difference. Those songs were good. When To Live Forever showed up in June 1993, my reaction was less positive. You can bust out all the obscure stuff you want, if it's good.
Except for me, "To Live Forever" IS good. I'd much rather have that than anything off of WDADU.
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I just wish bands wouldn't and shouldn't care about what songs they play live.
Quoting just this part of your post for the sake of length (and I agreed with a lot of the rest of your post)...
I think bands should care what the fans want when it comes to live show to an extent (vs in the studio when what fans want should no matter at all). No, fans should not dictate what gets played, but what songs go over well and what songs do not should certainly be taken into consideration, and if an obscure song is doing nothing for live crowds, dropping it makes total sense. In the case of Don't Look Past Me, that is an obscure non-album song, and not even of their better ones, and it sounds like almost no one was giving a crap about it getting played, so why keep playing it? So a handful of diehards online can stay excited about it? Nah.
Coming from a fan that is finally able to go to live concerts out of town. I have been able to attend the evening with shows. I actually would've went to the Along For The Ride tour, but had other commitments so wasn't able to attend, and that setlist is one I really wanted to see, basically for Space Dye-Vest.
My first tour ended up being The Astonishing, and I enjoyed it, because I was finally seeing a Dream Theater evening with show. I saw it again on the 2nd leg in Tucson and enjoyed it as well, and also enjoyed hearing The Spirit Carries On for my first time.
The next tour was the I&W&B, and they just so happened to hit my local venue that I knew could accommodate the band. That was a nice treat, but unfortunately, had commitments that prevented me from seeing the 2nd set and encore. I then, went to see the last show of the entire tour in Dallas. That was an extremely fun show, and even though they played TSCO again, and I enjoyed it still, hearing Hourglass was the best thing to include for the last shows. I got to hear some great songs on this tour, including Don't Look Last Me, and To Live Forever.
D/T was just as good because they played ITPOE pt.1, and also ANTR, one of my faves. I had to go to a show on the 2nd leg, because I wasn't going to miss At Wit's End, and we all knew it was going to be played. It personally felt like an older DT encore and show due to that being played rather than Pull Me Under.
I am actually happy with what they played, and will play. It's just what I would like them to do, but it doesn't hinder my enjoyment of the band. It's why I still go. I won't complain about the set when I'm there, I'll still watch and listen and headbang away, because I came to hear them play. :metal
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Cool. However, it's 2021, not 1993. I first saw DT in November 1992. I was familiar with I&W, but I'd never before heard Only a Matter of Time, Ytse Jam or The Killing Hand (and, in February 1993, A Fortune in Lies). I think I knew they had an album before I&W, so I (correctly) assumed those were songs off that album. I didn't even have a computer yet, much less anything like YouTube where I could check out pre-existing material. But here's the difference. Those songs were good. When To Live Forever showed up in June 1993, my reaction was less positive. You can bust out all the obscure stuff you want, if it's good.
Except for me, "To Live Forever" IS good. I'd much rather have that than anything off of WDADU.
Fair point, and I didn't articulate mine real well. Back in 92-93, anything not on I&W was "new" to most folks (and, for a lot of folks, anything that wasn't PMU was new), and most folks had no access to WDADU. When you heard something new, you weren't really sure (unless James did an intro) whether it was something from that first album you knew existed but hadn't heard or something they were putting together for the follow up to I&W. When I first heard TLF, I figured it was a work in progress that might be on the next album, as opposed to a leftover from I&W. It always felt incomplete and never did much to me. By contrast stuff like OAMOT and TKH really appealed to me. Obviously, others will feel differently about different songs. Now, however, there's nothing "new" for the hardcore fan, and the casual fan doesn't care about rarities, even though they have access to setlists and the ability to hear those rarities beforehand.
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I'd like to see a song from When Dream And Day Unite, since that album's been a bit neglected since the ADTOE tour. Ideally one of the non-obvious choices (The Killing Hand would be perfect), but YtseJam and Afterlife are always good to hear.
I hope (and honestly expect) we'll hear all the Distance Over Time tracks we didn't hear on the last tour.
I'd really love them to go against expectations for the encore, and bring back the Eve/Learning To Live duology they used to do back in the '90s. Eve is a LOVELY track, and it works great as a prelude to the big, bombastic finale of Learning to Live.
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I just wish bands wouldn't and shouldn't care about what songs they play live.
Quoting just this part of your post for the sake of length (and I agreed with a lot of the rest of your post)...
I think bands should care what the fans want when it comes to live show to an extent (vs in the studio when what fans want should no matter at all). No, fans should not dictate what gets played, but what songs go over well and what songs do not should certainly be taken into consideration, and if an obscure song is doing nothing for live crowds, dropping it makes total sense. In the case of Don't Look Past Me, that is an obscure non-album song, and not even of their better ones, and it sounds like almost no one was giving a crap about it getting played, so why keep playing it? So a handful of diehards online can stay excited about it? Nah.
Coming from a fan that is finally able to go to live concerts out of town. I have been able to attend the evening with shows. I actually would've went to the Along For The Ride tour, but had other commitments so wasn't able to attend, and that setlist is one I really wanted to see, basically for Space Dye-Vest.
My first tour ended up being The Astonishing, and I enjoyed it, because I was finally seeing a Dream Theater evening with show. I saw it again on the 2nd leg in Tucson and enjoyed it as well, and also enjoyed hearing The Spirit Carries On for my first time.
The next tour was the I&W&B, and they just so happened to hit my local venue that I knew could accommodate the band. That was a nice treat, but unfortunately, had commitments that prevented me from seeing the 2nd set and encore. I then, went to see the last show of the entire tour in Dallas. That was an extremely fun show, and even though they played TSCO again, and I enjoyed it still, hearing Hourglass was the best thing to include for the last shows. I got to hear some great songs on this tour, including Don't Look Last Me, and To Live Forever.
D/T was just as good because they played ITPOE pt.1, and also ANTR, one of my faves. I had to go to a show on the 2nd leg, because I wasn't going to miss At Wit's End, and we all knew it was going to be played. It personally felt like an older DT encore and show due to that being played rather than Pull Me Under.
I am actually happy with what they played, and will play. It's just what I would like them to do, but it doesn't hinder my enjoyment of the band. It's why I still go. I won't complain about the set when I'm there, I'll still watch and listen and headbang away, because I came to hear them play. :metal
Very nice!
For me, the cool thing about DT is how they mix it up from tour to tour. As much as some grumble about their set lists in the last decade, they have done a great job at changing it up from tour to tour. I hope they ditch the tours dedicated to playing albums from x-number of years ago going forward, which I suspect they will since I&W and Scenes have already been done, and those are easily their two most classic and "mainstream" albums that would be a draw this many years after the fact. It's still a bit weird to me that I have seen them nine tours between 1994 and 2019, yet have still never seen Learning to Live, but maybe someday... :lol :lol
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I've seen DT live 4 times (not as much as some other people, obviously), but I still need to see Octavarium live. Puleaaaaaaase.
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I'll still never forgive them for dropping Don't Look Past Me from the I&W&B tour before they hit Philly. What a slap in the face to the die-hard fans who look forward to seeing that kind of rare shit.
If there's a cosmic equalizer somewhere, I'd gladly give up having seen it. It's not a particularly good song to begin with, and James was not up to it.
I get the James concerns, and DLPM is not really a particular favorite of mine at all, but there's still something special about hearing a rare old song live for the first time. I've seen them about 20 times since the SFAM tour and the amount of songs I've not heard live is relatively small (mainly a few WDADU tracks, some FII b-sides, and a scattering of post-SFAM tracks that they played only a few times) so anything out the norm is a positive for me. Besides Space-Dye Vest, DLPM was the glaring omission from their earlier catalog and they removed it because a bunch of babies in the audience couldn't sit through 6 minutes of something different. The band is dumb for not introducing it, but they should've stuck it out for the people who care about seeing shows with unique songs.
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For the record, I love Don't Look Past Me. Franky, if they're going to continue the "album celebrations", I'd love a "Cleaning Out The Closet" Tour. I'm obviously aware that that's an almost zero possibility, but I'd be rapt if it happened!!
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I'll still never forgive them for dropping Don't Look Past Me from the I&W&B tour before they hit Philly. What a slap in the face to the die-hard fans who look forward to seeing that kind of rare shit.
If there's a cosmic equalizer somewhere, I'd gladly give up having seen it. It's not a particularly good song to begin with, and James was not up to it.
I get the James concerns, and DLPM is not really a particular favorite of mine at all, but there's still something special about hearing a rare old song live for the first time. I've seen them about 20 times since the SFAM tour and the amount of songs I've not heard live is relatively small (mainly a few WDADU tracks, some FII b-sides, and a scattering of post-SFAM tracks that they played only a few times) so anything out the norm is a positive for me. Besides Space-Dye Vest, DLPM was the glaring omission from their earlier catalog and they removed it because a bunch of babies in the audience couldn't sit through 6 minutes of something different. The band is dumb for not introducing it, but they should've stuck it out for the people who care about seeing shows with unique songs.
This is how I feel too. I was PISSED that night (I've since calmed down). But yeah, I had heard that they were playing DLPM and TLF and was looking forward to hearing them. They did end up playing TLF (which is a FANTASTIC song, IMO), so I was pumped to hear it. But then the other one wasn't played and I spent the rest of the night confused and upset. I didn't really enjoy the second set because I was pre-occupied with that feeling (I understand this is a me problem). I still don't get why it was dropped. They were already playing loads of "fan favorite" songs that night (PMU, ACOS, AIA, MetPt1...), there's no reason to drop a six minute rarity. They should have recognized that an intro to both of those songs would probably help the audience response. And I was also perturbed after the fact when I looked up setlists that it was dropped and not replaced with anything else. I mean, we paid as much in Boston as others did earlier in the tour and got less music out of it.
Anyway, I'm over it now, obviously. :lol
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For the record, I love Don't Look Past Me. Franky, if they're going to continue the "album celebrations", I'd love a "Cleaning Out The Closet" Tour. I'm obviously aware that that's an almost zero possibility, but I'd be rapt if it happened!!
Yes! I'd love Don't Look Past Me to get played again, but any of the obscure/non-album tracks would be great to hear.
DLPM is one of my dark horse favourites, and it makes me SO MAD that they only played it at a couple of shows in the US, so even though I saw them on the tour when it was here in the UK, I missed it! And then they dropped it before the 2017 Budokan recording, so I can't even see it on the official recording! I really wish they'd bring it back. It's a great song.
I still don't get why it was dropped. They were already playing loads of "fan favorite" songs that night (PMU, ACOS, AIA, MetPt1...), there's no reason to drop a six minute rarity. They should have recognized that an intro to both of those songs would probably help the audience response. And I was also perturbed after the fact when I looked up setlists that it was dropped and not replaced with anything else. I mean, we paid as much in Boston as others did earlier in the tour and got less music out of it.
Yes, I agree very much.
Having an intro would be a good idea next time, if there is a next time (and I really hope there is!). I know they did a short intro of sorts before one of the times they played it, but I don't think there was an intro the first one or two times they played it, and IIRC from YouTube videos of the shows it was played, it was a little under-rehearsed too, so... Clearly it was added in a hurry, then removed in a hurry. Which is a big shame, and far less than what such a great song deserves. Especially since, from the on-stage chat surrounding the song on the available recordings, JP and JR both championed playing it on that tour. I think they were right to, and I hope they bring it back on a future tour, for the entire tour! (Or at least a whole leg!)
They did an intro for Another Won and especially for Raise The Knife (or Speak To Me, for some shows) back in 2005/2006, and it worked a treat. Fans who didn't know those songs still walked away happy because of the rest of the set, the more hardcore fans were psyched out of their minds, and the DVD raised awareness of these obscure gems. (Hey, maybe Raise The Knife would be a good non-album track to pull out if they ever think of doing that again)
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For the record, I love Don't Look Past Me. Franky, if they're going to continue the "album celebrations", I'd love a "Cleaning Out The Closet" Tour. I'm obviously aware that that's an almost zero possibility, but I'd be rapt if it happened!!
Yes! I'd love Don't Look Past Me to get played again, but any of the obscure/non-album tracks would be great to hear.
DLPM is one of my dark horse favourites, and it makes me SO MAD that they only played it at a couple of shows in the US, so even though I saw them on the tour when it was here in the UK, I missed it! And then they dropped it before the 2017 Budokan recording, so I can't even see it on the official recording! I really wish they'd bring it back. It's a great song.
IIRC, the Asian leg of that tour was before the US leg, and those songs were only played in the US leg, not the whole tour.
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I get the James concerns, and DLPM is not really a particular favorite of mine at all, but there's still something special about hearing a rare old song live for the first time.
I don't really get where you're coming from, but I can respect the sentiment, which I guess makes it all the more unfortunate that I got to hear it and you didn't.
Besides Space-Dye Vest, DLPM was the glaring omission from their earlier catalog and they removed it because a bunch of babies in the audience couldn't sit through 6 minutes of something different. The band is dumb for not introducing it, but they should've stuck it out for the people who care about seeing shows with unique songs.
This is all quite absurd. The "babies in the audience" did sit through it. They just didn't enjoy it, and the band didn't like having a song in the set that the majority of the audience didn't know and wasn't enjoying, and which their singer wasn't performing well. "People who care about seeing shows with unique songs" are very much in the minority, and I don't agree that shows should be tailored to such a minority.
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IIRC, the Asian leg of that tour was before the US leg, and those songs were only played in the US leg, not the whole tour.
Oh right.
Damn, that makes it even more annoying, honestly. They added it at the very last minute, for just a couple of shows. MANNN. If only they'd thought of it from the beginning. I could've seen them play it in London... Ah well. I can still hope they bring it back someday.
This is all quite absurd. The "babies in the audience" did sit through it. They just didn't enjoy it, and the band didn't like having a song in the set that the majority of the audience didn't know and wasn't enjoying, and which their singer wasn't performing well. "People who care about seeing shows with unique songs" are very much in the minority, and I don't agree that shows should be tailored to such a minority.
The way I see it, as long as they introduce "Hey guys, here's a song we've never played live before but we wrote for Images And Words, about the same time as A Change Of Seasons, and the label cut it", the audience should at least appreciate it. Certainly, they should at least appreciate it as much as the Score audience appreicated Raise The Knife...
Naturally, the whole show shouldn't be catered to the hardcore fans only (unless it's a special case like the Rotterdam '98 fan club show), that's the mistake Portnoy made with the When Dream And Day Reunite show in 2004 and their full album cover shows (even though I love the WDADR DVD); most fans just don't care and taking up a full hour of the setlist with something only the really hardcore fans will like is a bad idea. But, dropping a rarity here or there is a great treat for the hardcores, and at least a neat novelty to the newbies. It's only one song in the set, and it's not like it was taking the place of anything else, on the 2017 tour!
Plus, most casual fans don't know When Dream And Day Unite very well at all, and yet A Fortune In Lies and YtseJam saw plenty of play in 2011/2012, and Afterlife got played throughout 2015. To Live Forever is another non-album track, and got played in 2011 and 2017...
No one is suggesting the next tour should be a whole tour of Rotterdam '98-type shows (or even WDADR or the Dark Side Of The Moon '05 show)*, but dropping a Don't Look Past Me, a Rase The Knife, or a Killing Hand here or there in the setlist would be great to have among all the more conventional choices, and it's a damn shame DLPM was only so brief an inclusion on the 2017 tour.
*(Granted, I did imply this in my earlier post, but really I just want to see non-album and obscure tracks get played now and then. Just one super obscure thing per tour would be nice. Wouldn't hog the show and alienate fans,but would be great for us hardcores)
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But that's the thing with those special shows; they weren't a whole tour. If you were reasonably following, you could kind of know when something was coming. For me, and I get I'm not the "average fan" in this regard, I'm interested in "different" for the sake of different. I'd KNOWINGLY go to the second night of a two-night stand to say "I was there!". I might be more or less interested after - I'd rather see Boston's debut than a Slayer or Muse album, for example - but that would be minor in the context of being at one of what, 15 shows in the band's entire career?
Another option, though, understanding that Dream Theater is NOT Iron Maiden, but they could do a version of that; leg one is the "current album" tour, leg two could be the "legacy" tour. Within that format, you could either do special "sets", or simply have a block of songs that swap out (meaning, first leg, play most or all of the new album, second leg drop most/all of those and add in the cross section of the career). The hits will be played regardless, and in both cases, some subset of fans will get either their heart's desire or their ultimate boredom.
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Off topic, but I really hope they give more love to Octavarium and Six Degrees on this next tour. They haven’t played anything from those albums since the ADTOE tour (not counting the festival shows from 2015, only talking world tours). Given that 6DOIT is 20 years old next year, they should play a couple songs from it for sure.
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Off topic, but I really hope they give more love to Octavarium and Six Degrees on this next tour. They haven’t played anything from those albums since the ADTOE tour (not counting the festival shows from 2015, only talking world tours). Given that 6DOIT is 20 years old next year, they should play a couple songs from it for sure.
Yes, please. 6DOIT is my favourite album. :heart
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I'm just hoping there's little to no IAW and SFAM songs on the next tour(s). They will have other 13 albums to choose songs from, no need to do those again and again.
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Off topic, but I really hope they give more love to Octavarium and Six Degrees on this next tour. They haven’t played anything from those albums since the ADTOE tour (not counting the festival shows from 2015, only talking world tours). Given that 6DOIT is 20 years old next year, they should play a couple songs from it for sure.
I always figured that SDOIT songs have been avoided because of setlist time. Like, all of the songs on the first disc are pretty long. They can split up parts of the second side though. And they have. But then, my theory kinda went to shit when they played INTPOE Pt. 1 and Nightmare on the last tour. Like, they could’ve played The Glass Prison.
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I'm just hoping there's little to no IAW and SFAM songs on the next tour(s). They will have other 13 albums to choose songs from, no need to do those again and again.
I would hate to see nothing from either, but I think just one or two from each would be reasonable. It's hard to imagine them going a tour and totally ignoring both of those albums.
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I've been digging Octavarium lately and would love to hear/see These Walls or Sacrificed Sons (or Octavarium if they can fit it in). My memory of the Score show brings a tear to my eye when I thing of SS being played... that was a heavy emotional song at RC, at least for me.
I'd also like to hear Surrender to Reason; just depends on what type of album DT15 is and where/if STR would fit-in.
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Not that I am itching for Sacrificed Songs to be brought back, but I think it would be cool to do a tour where the only songs played are a) new ones from the forthcoming album, and b) songs never played before or only played on our tour before (ever).
That would open up Octavarium to be the encore, and then they could fill out the rest of the set list with a handful of songs from Distance over Time including stuff like Out of Reach and Room 137 (that were not played on the last tour), and then songs like Disappear, In the Name of God (still can't believe this has never been brought back in full), In the Presence of Enemies Part 2, This Is the Life, Beneath the Surface, anything from the self-titled album, and even a few Astonishing tunes (that did not get played on the I&W and Beyond tour).
Note: anything played as a part of a medley on an additional tour, I am not counting as having been played on multiple tours, for this dream scenario.
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Note: anything played as a part of a medley on an additional tour, I am not counting as having been played on multiple tours, for this dream scenario.
You hurt Schmedley Wilcox’s feelings.
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Not that I am itching for Sacrificed Songs to be brought back, but I think it would be cool to do a tour where the only songs played are a) new ones from the forthcoming album, and b) songs never played before or only played on our tour before (ever).
That would open up Octavarium to be the encore, and then they could fill out the rest of the set list with a handful of songs from Distance over Time including stuff like Out of Reach and Room 137 (that were not played on the last tour), and then songs like Disappear, In the Name of God (still can't believe this has never been brought back in full), In the Presence of Enemies Part 2, This Is the Life, Beneath the Surface, anything from the self-titled album, and even a few Astonishing tunes (that did not get played on the I&W and Beyond tour).
Note: anything played as a part of a medley on an additional tour, I am not counting as having been played on multiple tours, for this dream scenario.
That sounds like a great concert with the songs you mentioned!!! Don't forget S2N, which I think begs to be played live!! :metal
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This is all quite absurd. The "babies in the audience" did sit through it. They just didn't enjoy it, and the band didn't like having a song in the set that the majority of the audience didn't know and wasn't enjoying, and which their singer wasn't performing well. "People who care about seeing shows with unique songs" are very much in the minority, and I don't agree that shows should be tailored to such a minority.
That's such a silly thing to say considering the tour in question. How is a show with the entirety of I&W (the top 7 or 8 played songs in the band's history), A Change of Seasons (arguably their most requested song), and As I Am (acknowledged by the band as a fan favorite) "tailored to such a minority"? Putting in one or two rarities in a 2.5+ hour show is not tailoring to hardcores. It's throwing them a bone.
Off topic, but I really hope they give more love to Octavarium and Six Degrees on this next tour. They haven’t played anything from those albums since the ADTOE tour (not counting the festival shows from 2015, only talking world tours). Given that 6DOIT is 20 years old next year, they should play a couple songs from it for sure.
Yes please. Both albums are in my top 5. Sometimes top 2.
In the Name of God (still can't believe this has never been brought back in full)
This was played in full in 2009. I do think Mangini should get a chance to play this one.
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This is all quite absurd. The "babies in the audience" did sit through it. They just didn't enjoy it, and the band didn't like having a song in the set that the majority of the audience didn't know and wasn't enjoying, and which their singer wasn't performing well. "People who care about seeing shows with unique songs" are very much in the minority, and I don't agree that shows should be tailored to such a minority.
That's such a silly thing to say considering the tour in question. How is a show with the entirety of I&W (the top 7 or 8 played songs in the band's history), A Change of Seasons (arguably their most requested song), and As I Am (acknowledged by the band as a fan favorite) "tailored to such a minority"? Putting in one or two rarities in a 2.5+ hour show is not tailoring to hardcores. It's throwing them a bone.
The point is that it's not at all unreasonable not to keep in the set list a song that isn't going over well and which the singer isn't performing well solely to please a small minority of fans.
Not that I am itching for Sacrificed Songs to be brought back, but I think it would be cool to do a tour where the only songs played are a) new ones from the forthcoming album, and b) songs never played before or only played on our tour before (ever).
Was "our" supposed to be "one"? If so, and if the put Disappear back-to-back with ITPOE 2, it would make for a great piss and/or beer run break. :)
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Note: anything played as a part of a medley on an additional tour, I am not counting as having been played on multiple tours, for this dream scenario.
You hurt Schmedley Wilcox’s feelings.
Schmedley Wilcox deserves it. What a POS.
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the glass prison
Blind Faith
Misunderstood
Disappear
Breaking all illusions
Scarred
octavarium
new songs
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Here’s my rough idea for a setlist for the upcoming world tour:
New single
Panic Attack
New song
New song
Erotomania
Surrender to Reason
Lines in the Sand (with JR solo intro)
At Wit’s End
The Glass Prison
Blind Faith
New song
Under A Glass Moon
Wither
Outcry
New epic(?)
Encore:
Octavarium
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Firstly, I think we're a long way off any band doing a world tour. I doubt bands are going to travel much outside their home territories for many years yet. A North America tour is the best we can hope for. It's just not worthwhile to only tour certain countries, and the picture is ever changing.
Secondly, I have pretty low expectations of setlists these days. I'd expect something like the following:
Set 1:
New Song
New Song
Old Song
New Song
New Song
Recent Song
Set 2:
Whichever album is celebrating an anniversary
Encore:
New Song
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Firstly, I think we're a long way off any band doing a world tour. I doubt bands are going to travel much outside their home territories for many years yet. A North America tour is the best we can hope for. It's just not worthwhile to only tour certain countries, and the picture is ever changing.
Secondly, I have pretty low expectations of setlists these days. I'd expect something like the following:
Set 1:
New Song
New Song
Old Song
New Song
New Song
Recent Song
Set 2:
Whichever album is celebrating an anniversary
Encore:
New Song
Genesis has dates booked for the UK and North America this fall. It’s happening.
As far the setlist. I guess you meant to copy their recent format?
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Alright, since we know how many songs and the lengths of the songs on the new album, I figure it's time we start making some possible suggestions to the set-list.
As always, let's have fun and also it would be neat to see if any of us comes close to what they do end up playing.
I will post the one I have in mind once I get to making it. My own criteria involves celebrating 6DOIT by including more songs from this album than the others. The shows not being evening with, also makes this more interesting as we don't know whether the shows will be two hours max or in between two to two and a half hours long. I will go with the show being Two Hours long.
:lol
I ended up doing a Two and a Half hour set.
1. TA - 9:32 (based on the past first songs being the album openers) (1)
2. About to Crash - 5:51
3. Room 137 - 4:24
4. I Walk Beside You - 4:29
5. Blind Faith - 10:21
6. Peruvian Skies - 6:43
7. The Enemy Inside - 6:17
8. S2N - 6:21
9. IM - 6:31 (2)
10. Stream of Consciousness - 11:16
11. Surrender To Reason - 6:35
12. SG - 10:06 (3)
13. Goodnight Kiss - 6:17
14. Solitary Shell - 5:48
15. About To Crash Repirse - 4:05
16. Losing Time/Grand Finale - 4:30 (I edited out the long ending for easier shuffle play)
17. TT - 6:25 (4)
18. At Wits End - 9:21
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19. AVFTTOTW - 20:24 (4)
Total Show Time 2:25:10
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Alright, since we know how many songs and the lengths of the songs on the new album, I figure it's time we start making some possible suggestions to the set-list.
As always, let's have fun and also it would be neat to see if any of us comes close to what they do end up playing.
Well, each album opener was played on its corresponding album's tour. And the long epics too. So, off the new album, "TA" and "AVFTTOTW" are likely candidates. Add one or two songs, and that's over 40 minutes of setlist right there.
I don't think they'll play anything from The Astonishing, too soon after that tour. From the 2010's albums, my guess is two songs at most: a rarity (like "Surrender To Reason" or "Out of Reach") and/or a fan-favourite. This year marks the 10th anniversary of Mike Mangini's first album with the band, so they might include something from A Dramatic Turn Of Events as well.
Likewise, I'm guessing they'll pass on Scenes From A Memory for this tour. From the '90s, one song from Falling Into Infinity or Awake, and maybe one song from Images And Words.
Besides the 2015 anniversary shows, they haven't played much from When Dream And Day Unite, Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence and Octavarium for a while. I think it would be awesome to have one song from each.
My ideal set-list would include this:
- WD&DU: "Only A Matter Of Time"
- I&W: "Learning To Live"
- FII: "New Millenium"
- Six Degrees: "Blind Faith" or "Disappear"
- Octavarium: "Sacrificed Sons"
- ADTOE: "Lost Not Forgotten"
- Self-titled: "Surrender To Reason"
- D/T: "Room 137"
- New album: "TA", "AVFTTOTW", whatever happens to be the second single, and maybe one more song. (Specially if the band is as confident in the album as they seem to be.)
Opener is "TA", closer of second set is "AVFTTOTW", and encore is "Only A Matter Of Time". No idea about the rest.
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I don't think we'll be getting a song from Images and Words for quite a while now since they did play that album in it's entirety and chose to play it a step down, for ease of JLB's vocals. But they could still play them in the album keys. The only reason I feel they did drop the album down a half-step is that album in it's entirety is a lot of stress and strain on JLB's vocals, especially Take The Time.
I actually wouldn't mind those songs. I don't know about New Millenium as JLB isnt too fond of that song, so unless Mangini insists on playing it, I don't see that in the set.
The setlist I edited into my post, almost follows the same criteria. I am making one that doesn' take into account celebrating 6DOIT as much as that one does. I only did that as 6DOIT is my all-time favorite Dream Theater album.
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I actually wouldn't mind those songs. I don't know about New Millenium as JLB isnt too fond of that song, so unless Mangini insists on playing it, I don't see that in the set.
I don't think that'd work either. I've heard Mike M twice in interviewes talking about how he wants them to include I Walk Beside You but they haven't :lol (he likes it as a short, accessible song)
My guess is they don't bring it back because it's very demanding vocally.
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I actually wouldn't mind those songs. I don't know about New Millenium as JLB isnt too fond of that song, so unless Mangini insists on playing it, I don't see that in the set.
I don't think that'd work either. I've heard Mike M twice in interviewes talking about how he wants them to include I Walk Beside You but they haven't :lol (he likes it as a short, accessible song)
My guess is they don't bring it back because it's very demanding vocally.
That's really hilariously coincidental as I have "I Walk Beside You" in my setlist just for that purpose of an easily accessible slow song that isn't that rough on the band as a means to get a bit of rest. Hence why it's placed after Room 137 and before Blind Faith. :lol
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I actually wouldn't mind those songs. I don't know about New Millenium as JLB isnt too fond of that song, so unless Mangini insists on playing it, I don't see that in the set.
I don't think that'd work either. I've heard Mike M twice in interviewes talking about how he wants them to include I Walk Beside You but they haven't :lol (he likes it as a short, accessible song)
My guess is they don't bring it back because it's very demanding vocally.
That's really hilariously coincidental as I have "I Walk Beside You" in my setlist just for that purpose of an easily accessible slow song that isn't that rough on the band as a means to get a bit of rest. Hence why it's placed after Room 137 and before Blind Faith. :lol
Hope you and MM get to have it in the set! :lol
As for your picks, this is obviously a fantasy setlist and I'd like to see them play those 3, but realistically they wouldn't play 3 songs in a row that would require 3 different guitars with different tunings all back to back (7 string, D tuning and baritone in A) :biggrin:
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I actually wouldn't mind those songs. I don't know about New Millenium as JLB isnt too fond of that song, so unless Mangini insists on playing it, I don't see that in the set.
I don't think that'd work either. I've heard Mike M twice in interviewes talking about how he wants them to include I Walk Beside You but they haven't :lol (he likes it as a short, accessible song)
My guess is they don't bring it back because it's very demanding vocally.
That's really hilariously coincidental as I have "I Walk Beside You" in my setlist just for that purpose of an easily accessible slow song that isn't that rough on the band as a means to get a bit of rest. Hence why it's placed after Room 137 and before Blind Faith. :lol
Hope you and MM get to have it in the set! :lol
As for your picks, this is obviously a fantasy setlist and I'd like to see them play those 3, but realistically they wouldn't play 3 songs in a row that would require 3 different guitars with different tunings all back to back (7 string, D tuning and baritone in A) :biggrin:
Who said they were played in a row with no pause in between the songs. :biggrin:
They could pause to let JLB talk for a bit as they switch guitars.
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I'd love to see/hear Only A Matter of Time return to the set list. :metal
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I know it would not happen, but now with their 5th post MP cd being released in October, I think it would be not only fun, but also quite refreshing if this upcoming tour concentrated ONLY on the MM era material. How about this set list:
intro: False Awakening Suite
1. The Alien
2. Answering The Call
3. Our New World
4. Lost Not Forgotten
5. Out of Reach
6. Transcending Time
7. S2N
8. On The Backs of Angels
9. The Enemy Inside
10. Sleeping Giant
11. Surrender To Reason
12. Untethered Angel
13. Bridges in The Sky
encore:
14. A View From The Top of The World
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You're not chaossystem are you?
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no, sorry
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How about if they play only Majesty demos?
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I know it would not happen, but now with their 5th post MP cd being released in October, I think it would be not only fun, but also quite refreshing if this upcoming tour concentrated ONLY on the MM era material. How about this set list:
intro: False Awakening Suite
1. The Alien
2. Answering The Call
3. Our New World
4. Lost Not Forgotten
5. Out of Reach
6. Transcending Time
7. S2N
8. On The Backs of Angels
9. The Enemy Inside
10. Sleeping Giant
11. Surrender To Reason
12. Untethered Angel
13. Bridges in The Sky
encore:
14. A View From The Top of The World
Excellent setlist. I would save this wonderful set for when MP comes back.
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How about if they play only Majesty demos?
Encore: Gnos Sdrawkcab
:metal :metal :metal
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I'd love to see Only A Matter of Time, Scarred or ANY kind of representation of Awake. They played Lie during the Summer European run for D/T. I'd take that here. Crimson Sunrise+Innocence, Just Let Me Breathe or Lines in The Sand, The Glass Prison; The Gift of Music, A New Beginning, or Our New World; and Barstool Warrior, Room 137, or Pale Blue Dot from the last album. I wouldn't mind Count of Tuscany, if that comes to be. I'm not completely burned out on As I Am live. It's far from the top of my list but if they keep it for this tour, fine. Mainly, I just hope for something from Awake, The Glass Prison, and that they shelve Pull Me Under and Spirit Carries On for this tour, at least.
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I'd love to see Only A Matter of Time, Scarred or ANY kind of representation of Awake. They played Lie during the Summer European run for D/T. I'd take that here. Crimson Sunrise+Innocence
Awake was heavily represented in 2014, and ACOS was played in full even more recently.
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I’ll have a go at an all MM-era setlist.
Intro tape: False Awakening Suite
01: The Alien
02: Answering the Call
03: Room 137
04: Surrender to Reason
05: Awaken the Master
06: On the Backs of Angels
07: A New Beginning
08: This is the Life
09: The Enemy Inside
10: S2N
11: Our New World
12: Sleeping Giant
13: Out of Reach
14: Breaking All Illusions
Encore
15: A View From the Top of the World
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I'd love to see Only A Matter of Time, Scarred or ANY kind of representation of Awake. They played Lie during the Summer European run for D/T. I'd take that here. Crimson Sunrise+Innocence
Awake was heavily represented in 2014, and ACOS was played in full even more recently.
Yes. 7 years ago. I missed the AFTR tour. They only did one North American leg, IIRC. Playing NC consistently wasn't a thing yet and I couldn't make the DC show. 😭
And, yes. I saw ACoS in 2017. But, what's wrong with wanting to see certain songs again? 😛😁 and, in regards to ACoS, I'm not asking for the whole thing. 🙂
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I’ll have a go at an all MM-era setlist.
Intro tape: False Awakening Suite
01: The Alien
02: Answering the Call
03: Room 137
04: Surrender to Reason
05: Awaken the Master
06: On the Backs of Angels
07: A New Beginning
08: This is the Life
09: The Enemy Inside
10: S2N
11: Our New World
12: Sleeping Giant
13: Out of Reach
14: Breaking All Illusions
Encore
15: A View From the Top of the World
I wouldn't mind something like this. I'd add Viper King to the encore because I love it, but otherwise, it's got a good mix of songs they've yet to play, "hits" from the MM-era (Angels, Illusions, New World), and new stuff. Aside from some underplayed songs from WDADU and the FII-era, Disappear, and maybe Ministry, there's really nothing pre-MM that I'm dying to hear after seeing them so many times.
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After hearing The Alien and how it begins and sounds as a whole, I do wonder if another new song may end up opening the set. It would be interesting for them to open with The Alien, it would be reminiscent of them opening with Bridges In The Sky, as I feel The Alien sounds most similar to BITS in terms of atmosphere and vibe.
I like the idea of having the intro tape be False Awakening Suite, as they did intend for it to be a track they could use to open their shows with, seems odd to just utilize it for the album tour.
Intro Tape: False Awakening Suite
1. Moment of Betrayal (I think it would be cool to open with this song, it's one of the songs that can be played outside the album and is a great rocker, and honestly is a good opening type of song)
2. Room 137
3. The Alien (This is a song that I feel would have more of an impact placed here in the set)
4. I Walk Beside You (A song that would be a great mid-pace song to give a bit of a rest for the guys. It also ends pretty energetic as well, rather than going full ballad calmer)
5. Blind Faith (I would love this one to appear someday in a future set, this would be a great moment to bring it out and a nice way to give nod to 6DOIT)
6. Peruvian Skies (Another fantastic mid-pace rocker, it would be great to have in this part of the set as a way to rest from the longer Blind Faith, but also a great way to make the set progress more heavier as the ending is more faster paced and energetic, uplifting the vibe from the more progressive side of the band)
7. The Enemy Inside (Let's just go straight into the heavy and faster paced energy)
8. S2N
9. Surrender to Reason
10. Stream of Consciousness
11. At Wit's End
Encore:
A View From The Top of The World
The total would be around 1:42:00 long. I would add probably 2-3 more AVFTTOTW songs, sprinkled throughout the set based on their overall sound. But from what I have heard from The Alien, this would be the set I wouldn't mind seeing. I also, wouldn't mind if they ended up switching off S2N and Room 137 like they did Paralyzed and Fall Into The Light.
Of course, this set may change entirely once we hear more of the album, and I will make another one when the album comes out and I have heard all the songs, I will post one before the show starts as I will only have a couple of days to listen to it and digest it before the setlist being revealed. :lol
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Song I'd like to hear this time around (max 1 per album, other than the new one):
Only a Matter of Time
Burning My Soul
The Great Debate
Far From Heaven
Surrender to Reason
S2N
huh... guess the list isn't that long. Considering there's only 12 MP album tracks and even fewer MM tracks I haven't seen live, that's not too surprising. But yeah, gotta keep that streak going of hearing something "new/different" every tour/year.
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Surrender To Reason seems to be on everyone's wish list so I'm really hoping they bust that one out along with a couple from D/T. You really have to give them credit for just how many of their songs they've managed to play live when other bands release new albums and leave half the thing unplayed.
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Considering I have seen a few people say that The Alien feels like a follow-up to Pale Blue Dot, and they technically follow each other in the band's history - PBD was technically the last song on the last album (Viper King was a bonus track, so not technically a part of the official studio album), The Alien is the first song on the new album - it wouldn't surprise me if they played them back to back on the upcoming tour.
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Considering I have seen a few people say that The Alien feels like a follow-up to Pale Blue Dot, and they technically follow each other in the band's history - PBD was technically the last song on the last album (Viper King was a bonus track, so not technically a part of the official studio album), The Alien is the first song on the new album - it wouldn't surprise me if they played them back to back on the upcoming tour.
That'd be great to see, specially thematically, but I hope they don't play PBD again this tour where they have a shorter set and R137, S2N and OOR still haven't been performed live. STR is a must-do too.
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I don't care much about them playing S2N (solid tune, not one that excites me at all), but I really hope Room 137 and Out of Reach are played this time around.
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I don't care much about them playing S2N (solid tune, not one that excites me at all), but I really hope Room 137 and Out of Reach are played this time around.
Me too. I figure I'll have to go to the bathroom at some point...
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I do love Out of Reach. It's honestly close to my favorite song on the record. But I have a suspicious feeling it'll happen to be one of those songs that ends up unplayed at the end of their career. I hope I'm wrong.
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I do love Out of Reach. It's honestly close to my favorite song on the record. But I have a suspicious feeling it'll happen to be one of those songs that ends up unplayed at the end of their career. I hope I'm wrong.
Literally out of reach..
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POV: In a world where COVID doesn’t exist, The Alien was released 2 months ago, and this is a set for a pre-album release US summer tour. Since this is 2 years after D/T’s release, I don’t think this tour would have to focus on playing a large chunk of the album. I mostly tried to choose songs that I felt are realistic for such a tour, but a couple of choices are just songs that I would love to see live.
The Glass Prison
This Dying Soul (I can’t imagine there are many DT fans that wouldn’t lose their minds to them surprisingly starting a show with these two. Definitely the most unrealistic choices of my set, but I hope both of these songs sees the stage at some point again)
Erotomania
Voices (I am confident this combo will happen again, and I feel like this tour cycle should be the one to do it. 2 of the last 3 songs from Awake this lineup hasn’t played, and Innocence Faded doesn’t need to be brought back IMO. I’m sure they can figure out something for JLB for the more strenuous parts)
Barstool Warrior
Lines in the Sand (it’s time for this one to come back too!)
S2N
Surrender to Reason (this song is BEGGING to be played live and I think it’d make a good set 1 closer. Really hoping they bring it out for this next tour)
~~~intermission~~~
Bridges in the Sky
Blind Faith (I have a feeling they’re going to play the full 6DOIT song on a tour next year, and the first disc deserves more love live than it gets)
Behind the Veil (this, BitS and Constant Motion we’re played in 2015, but not in the US. I think all 3 deserve to be played stateside soon)
Just Let Me Breathe (BtV would go directly into this the way The Mirror went into it from LSFNY. Another new song for this lineup and is a great concert song)
Constant Motion (hasn’t been played in the US in over a decade, easier on JLB than most songs, super fun concert song. Feels like a no brainer to me for this to come back at some point)
Only A Matter of Time (my favorite from WDADU, and JP even said he wanted to play this on a recent tour)
Sacrificed Sons
In the Name of God (these last 2 are great longer songs that haven’t been played live in over a decade and deserve to be back in the set again)
Encore:
The Alien (I would assume this song will open the shows for the AVFTTOTW tour cycle, so before the album’s out, I think it’d be fun to play this as an encore. Shining a spotlight on Mangini for the drum fill open to get the encore going would be fucking siiiick)
Metropolis (yes they just played all of I&W for a whole tour but it’s realistic for them to play this or PMU at most shows and I still haven’t seen this one live so I would be happy with it haha)
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The Glass Prison
This Dying Soul (I can’t imagine there are many DT fans that wouldn’t lose their minds to them surprisingly starting a show with these two.
If I knew this was how they were opening the set, I might be late. TGP is fine, but adding TDS would be WAY too much. I've managed to avoid TDS so far, and I hope that doesn't change.
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I would really like to see more TA songs come back to the live setlists. It's been so greatly ignored since the album tour. The songs are short enough to sneak a few in. Even if it was just the singles, Moment of Betrayal for example works just fine by itself.
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I would really like to see more TA songs come back to the live setlists. It's been so greatly ignored since the album tour. The songs are short enough to sneak a few in. Even if it was just the singles, Moment of Betrayal for example works just fine by itself.
I mean, they’ve only done two tours since then. They played The Gift of Music and Our New World on the Images, Words and Beyond tour.
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They will definitely open with The Alien.
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I would really like to see more TA songs come back to the live setlists. It's been so greatly ignored since the album tour. The songs are short enough to sneak a few in. Even if it was just the singles, Moment of Betrayal for example works just fine by itself.
This. The Walking Shadow + My Last Farewell would be great played back to back too.
I mean, they’ve only done two tours since then. They played The Gift of Music and Our New World on the Images, Words and Beyond tour.
They also intended to include A Life Left Behind, and even played it on the first two shows of the tour in Italy, but ended up dropping it (and TSCO) because the set was too long already.
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I would really like to see more TA songs come back to the live setlists. It's been so greatly ignored since the album tour. The songs are short enough to sneak a few in. Even if it was just the singles, Moment of Betrayal for example works just fine by itself.
A Better Life could work if they don't include the intro sample, and just start with the piano intro.
I think many could be included if they transitioned straight into them from another song, or transitioned into another song.
You know what I realized. Mangini has only played Panic Attack in Europe for their 30th Anniversary tour there. I would love to see this song played by Mangini live...and Lord Nefaryus would be an awesome song to transition into after Panic Attack.
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I would really like to see more TA songs come back to the live setlists. It's been so greatly ignored since the album tour. The songs are short enough to sneak a few in. Even if it was just the singles, Moment of Betrayal for example works just fine by itself.
I mean, they’ve only done two tours since then. They played The Gift of Music and Our New World on the Images, Words and Beyond tour.
Which got dropped after the first leg in Europe
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i'd say
Glass Prison
Blind Faith
S2N
Breaking all illusions
Octavarium
the new album with a view from the top as encore
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I would really like to see more TA songs come back to the live setlists. It's been so greatly ignored since the album tour. The songs are short enough to sneak a few in. Even if it was just the singles, Moment of Betrayal for example works just fine by itself.
I mean, they’ve only done two tours since then. They played The Gift of Music and Our New World on the Images, Words and Beyond tour.
Which got dropped after the first leg in Europe
Also played in Asia, though. They dropped them for the US tour to include DLPM and TLF.
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1. The Alien
2. Answering the Call or Invisible Monster (possible alternate nights)
3. Surrender to Reason
4. Misunderstood
5. Transcending Time
6. Goodnight Kiss
7. Solitary Shell
8. S2N
9. Sleeping Giant
10. I Walk Beside You
11. Awaken the Master
12. A View from the Top of the World
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13. Home
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I would really like to see more TA songs come back to the live setlists. It's been so greatly ignored since the album tour. The songs are short enough to sneak a few in. Even if it was just the singles, Moment of Betrayal for example works just fine by itself.
I mean, they’ve only done two tours since then. They played The Gift of Music and Our New World on the Images, Words and Beyond tour.
Which got dropped after the first leg in Europe
I realize that. Actually they played them in Asia as well. But they didn’t play them in the US because they just came off of two North American legs of The Astonishing tour. You said it’s been “so greatly ignored” like it’s been ten years or something.
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1. The Alien
2. Answering the Call or Invisible Monster (possible alternate nights)
3. Surrender to Reason
4. Misunderstood
5. Transcending Time
6. Goodnight Kiss
7. Solitary Shell
8. S2N
9. Sleeping Giant
10. I Walk Beside You
11. Awaken the Master
12. A View from the Top of the World
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13. Home
That'd be great. I could beat the traffic!
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1. The Alien
2. Answering the Call or Invisible Monster (possible alternate nights)
3. Surrender to Reason
4. Misunderstood
5. Transcending Time
6. Goodnight Kiss
7. Solitary Shell
8. S2N
9. Sleeping Giant
10. I Walk Beside You
11. Awaken the Master
12. A View from the Top of the World
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13. Home
That'd be great. I could beat the traffic!
I guess that's when TAC gets...
wait for it...
...Home.
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I just hope we finally get Surrender to Reason.
This.
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The Alien
Answering the Call
Invisible Monster
Sleeping Giant
Transcending Time
Awaken the Master
A View from the Top of the World
***intermission***
A Fortune in Lies
Another Day
Innocence Faded
Hell's Kitchen
I Walk Beside You
On the Backs of Angels
The Looking Glass
Wait for Sleep
Learning to Live
***encore break***
A Change of Seasons
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Something that crossed my mind the other day, though I highly doubt will happen, is that since the first leg of the new tour is happening towards the end of the year, specially in December... what are the odds of them adding The Holiday Spirit Carries On to the set? It's not too long so it wouldn't take that much time from the set and it's a really fun song imo :metal
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Maybe for the shows after thanksgiving, but I doubt it. Would be fun though!
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The Glass Prison
The Alien
Invisible Monster
Erotomania/Voices
Awaken The Master
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Forsaken
Burning My Soul
Transcending Time
I Walk Beside You
The Ministry Of Lost Souls
The Killing Hand
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A View from the Top of the World
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I am gonna go ahead and make a setlist based off the fact that there are released samples and I had chance to get a sense of the vibe and feel of the songs (I also took into account the length and the possibility of the samples not completely showcasing the vibes). I am going to use songs that I feel fit the vibe I hear from these song samples and released songs. And for fun, pick some of my favorites they haven't played recently...
---False Awakening Suite----
1. The Alien (would be neat to start with an onslaught) (9:32)
2. S2N (6:21)/ Room 137 (4:24)
3. I Walk Beside You (4:11, based on Score live)/Only A Matter of Time (7:21, based on Live At Budakon)
4. Blind Faith (10:29, based off Chaos In Motion)
5. Awakening The Master (9:47)
6. Goodnight Kiss/Solitary Shell (12:15, based on Live At Budakon)
7. Invisible Monster (6:31)
8. Barstool Warrior (6:43, based on Distant Memories)
9. Stream of Consciousness (10:54, based on Live At Budakon)
10. Answer The Call (7:35)
11. Surrender to Reason (6:35)
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12. A View From The Top Of The World (20:24)
1:54:27 with S2N and Only A Matter of Time as they are longer songs in the set.
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The Glass Prison
The Alien
Invisible Monster
Erotomania/Voices
Awaken The Master
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Forsaken
Burning My Soul
Transcending Time
I Walk Beside You
The Ministry Of Lost Souls
The Killing Hand
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A View from the Top of the World
I actually wouldn't mind this set-list even though I don't really enjoy Forsaken and Burning My Soul, but they would be fun in a live setting. Plus, I would be getting Erotomania/Voices and The Ministry of Lost Souls, songs I would also love to see live one day.
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Something like this…
The Alien
Blind Faith
Invisible Monster
A Fortune in Lies
Under A Glass Moon
New Album Track
Intermission
Glass Prison
New Album Track
Barstool Warrior
Our New World
Panic Attack
Surrender to Reason
Encore
A View From the Top of the World
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Other than most of the new album, here's what I could see happening ideally, in reverse chronological order:
S2N (or Room 137, though I'd guess the former has a better chance)
Barstool Warrior
Surrender to Reason (about time!)
Bridges in the Sky
This Is the Life
Sacrificed Sons (not sure about this one, but seems the most likely OV pick)
Blind Faith (I can keep hoping, right?)
Hollow Years (just a feeling...)
Lines in the Sand (overdue - both of these FII classics were never played with Mangini so far)
Erotomania (it's been almost a decade since they wrote a stand-alone instrumental and Mangini has never played this one live)
That should add up to around two hours. Works for me! With only minimal repeats from the last decade of touring, most of this set would seem quite fresh. And sure, songs like The Glass Prison or In the Name of God are also overdue, but having heard the new album, I would guess they'll try to counterbalance its intensity with more melodic classics. I guess these picks feature the MM era quite heavily, but they've done I&W and SfaM anniversary tours just recently plus the "second half of Awake" set in 2014, so I could really see all these older tunes getting sidelined for this run. And I simply don't think they'll need 'em - the "big" numbers (i.e., the opener, main set closer, encore) of the set may well be new songs this time around.
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The new setlist I think will more or less be the below. The only order I feel confident about is that the show will open with the Alien and close with A View from the Top. Also, I could see them omitting Awaken the Master given JP would need to transport a big 8 string for such a small % of the run time of the full show.
1. The Alien
2. Lines in the Sand
3. Invisible Monster (I wouldn't expect this to be played but for the fact that it was released as a single)
4. Transcending Time
5. Sleeping Giant
6. Rite of Passage (not my cup of tea but I could see them doing this)
7. Great Debate
8. Spirit Carries On (I am so sick of hearing this song live but they'll probably play it every show until they retire...wish they would do an underrated song like Out of Reach but I don't see that happening)
9. S2N
10. A View from the Top
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The new setlist I think will more or less be the below. The only order I feel confident about is that the show will open with the Alien and close with A View from the Top. Also, I could see them omitting Awaken the Master given JP would need to transport a big 8 string for such a small % of the run time of the full show.
1. The Alien
2. Lines in the Sand
3. Invisible Monster (I wouldn't expect this to be played but for the fact that it was released as a single)
4. Transcending Time
5. Sleeping Giant
6. Rite of Passage (not my cup of tea but I could see them doing this)
7. Great Debate
8. Spirit Carries On (I am so sick of hearing this song live but they'll probably play it every show until they retire...wish they would do an underrated song like Out of Reach but I don't see that happening)
9. S2N
10. A View from the Top
Idk, JP may want to showcase the new 8 string to promote sales! S2N, I hope!! No more Spirit!
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The Alien
Sleeping Giant
TOWHTSTS or Only A Matter Of Time
Answering The Call
This Is The Life
Transcending Time
(intermission)
Bridges
Awaken The Master
Surrender To Reason
Lord Nafaryus
Three Days
Out Of Reach
Lost Not Forgotten
A View
The Count (encore)
I probably will edit this post after the album is out. (you know my MO, as MM era centric as we can go (as little of D/T as possible though, too basic), sprinkled with some MP era things they didn't play yet in this lineup, while avoiding most of the MP era pieces I dislike. Oh and no I/W or Met2 era pieces either, because these were played a lot in recent years)
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Surrender to reason live would be cool
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The Alien
Sleeping Giant
TOWHTSTS or Only A Matter Of Time
Answering The Call
This Is The Life
Transcending Time
(intermission)
Bridges
Awaken The Master
Surrender To Reason
Lord Nafaryus
Three Days
Out Of Reach
Lost Not Forgotten
A View
The Count (encore)
I probably will edit this post after the album is out. (you know my MO, as MM era centric as we can go (as little of D/T as possible though, too basic), sprinkled with some MP era things they didn't play yet in this lineup, while avoiding most of the MP era pieces I dislike. Oh and no I/W or Met2 era pieces either, because these were played a lot in recent years)
I like this one.
The more I keep pondering, the more I think about Out of Reach being played too. Does the song use a baritone?
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The Alien
Sleeping Giant
TOWHTSTS or Only A Matter Of Time
Answering The Call
This Is The Life
Transcending Time
(intermission)
Bridges
Awaken The Master
Surrender To Reason
Lord Nafaryus
Three Days
Out Of Reach
Lost Not Forgotten
A View
The Count (encore)
I probably will edit this post after the album is out. (you know my MO, as MM era centric as we can go (as little of D/T as possible though, too basic), sprinkled with some MP era things they didn't play yet in this lineup, while avoiding most of the MP era pieces I dislike. Oh and no I/W or Met2 era pieces either, because these were played a lot in recent years)
I like this one.
The more I keep pondering, the more I think about Out of Reach being played too. Does the song use a baritone?
yes it does, it's one of two songs that use one, being These Walls and Out Of Reach
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yes it does, it's one of two songs that use one, being These Walls and Out Of Reach
Blind Faith 🙂
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yes it does, it's one of two songs that use one, being These Walls and Out Of Reach
Blind Faith 🙂
Panic Attack, Wither, Paralyzed ;D
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yes it does, it's one of two songs that use one, being These Walls and Out Of Reach
Blind Faith 🙂
Panic Attack, Wither, Paralyzed ;D
ok then, sorry
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btw, my setlist adds up to about 130 minutes of playing time each day (factoring in the switcher positon), so this could even work without an intermission and with an opening act beforehand
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The Alien
Answering the Call
Just Let Me Breathe
Erotomania
Voices
Take the Time
S2N
Sleeping Giant
—- ————————
As I Am
Blind Faith
Panic Attack
Constant Motion
Surrender to Reason
Lines in the Sand
Awaken the Master
A View From the Top of the World
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Bridges in the Sky
Based off the snippets, I think this would be a ton of fun. Really upbeat, driving set and 80% of the songs would be new for this lineup to play live.
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S2N or Surrender to Reason WILL be played on the upcoming tour. That is my only strong conviction thought about the tour. ;D
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S2N or Surrender to Reason WILL be played on the upcoming tour. That is my only strong conviction thought about the tour. ;D
Same. Both of them deserve a spot in the set (I’m personally hoping for StR more than anything). They seemed to like playing Hollow Years a lot before Mangini joined, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see that pop up soon (although I really hope it doesn’t lol)
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(opening PA music; theme from new Dune movie or something)
1. Awaken The Master (perfect opening track)
2. Barstool Warrior
3. Under A Glass Moon
4. Through My Words / Fatal Tragedy / Beyond This Life (medley)
5. Bridges In The Sky
6. Answering The Call
7. Invisible Monster
8. Scarred
9. 6.00
10. A View From The Top Of The World
Encore:
11. Pull Me Under / Metropolis Pt 1 (the famous me Pullmeopolis medley)
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I'd be surprised to see them play Scarred. They just played it two tours ago.
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I'd also be surprised if they did NOT play The Alien.
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Obvious! I didn't notice it wasn't there. :facepalm:
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I'd be surprised to see them play Scarred. They just played it two tours ago.
Actually 4 tours ago, technically. I hope they bring it back for this tour.
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I'd be surprised to see them play Scarred. They just played it two tours ago.
Actually 4 tours ago, technically. I hope they bring it back for this tour.
OK, well, two album cycles ago..
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I'd really like to see TCOT...
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I want them to play older songs they haven't played live yet with this lineup instead of the same AIA, TSCO, etc. Also hoping for no SFAM or IAW this time around (love the albums but they've just played those two in full the last couple tours).
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I just want them to play. Period. Any updates on when the tour might be rescheduled?
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I listened to The Everyman Podcast with Mike Mangini and he did say his tour kit had to work with both old and new DT music.
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I'll try another:
(music from Dune 2021, cause it's an obvious choice)
1. The Alien
2. SN2
3. 6.00
4. Enigma Machine
5. Sleeping Giant
6. Lost Not Forgotten
7. Pale Blue Dot
8. Invisible Monster
9. Surrounded
10. A View From The Top Of The World
11. At Wits End
Encore:
12. Pull Me Under
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Okay...to pass time while I wait for tomorrow, I present another possible set-list. Not many of my favorite songs, but interesting none-the-less.
1. The Alien (9:32)
2. The Looking Glass (4:46)
3. Innocence Faded (5:36)
4. Barstool Warrior (6:43)
5. Transcending Time (6:25)
6. Blind Faith (10:29)
7. S2N (6:21)
8. Chosen (4:32)
9. Invisible Monster (6:31)
10. Surrender To Reason (6:35)
11. Sleeping Giant (10:05)
12. Pale Blue Dot (8:52)
13. A View From The Top of The World (20:24)
Total: 1:46:46
I included The Looking Glass as a song from the self-titled as those songs have not really had gotten an opportunity to be played much at all. Also, Surrender to Reason at the end since it's never been played and this would be the perfect time to play it, it'd also add a nice epic feel towards the end of the set.
Innocence Faded, I added in since I heard JLB sing the high part on his cameo (I know this doesn't reflect how it will sound live). I think he is capable of singing this song and doing a good decent job on his worst night, it begins with soft vocals and the only struggle would be that high part, and he could go into his warmer tone for the chorus and bridge after.
I also think they'd want to play some DoT songs as well, and I chose 3. The one that fits the tone of this set and one that would be fun to see again (Barstool Warrior), the song not played (S2N), and the sort of mini-epic to end the set (Pale Blue Dot).
I actually forgot how the Transcending Time sample started but I feel, as this is being labelled as the Rush song, would fit between the more Rush like tunes of Innocence Faded, Barstool Warrior and The Looking Glass.
Blind Faith for a nice nod to 6DOIT.
Chosen would be awesome for them to pull out again as something to represent The Astonishing. It's a ballad I consider their best, and would be a nice slow breather for the band, while also being a great lead into Invisible Monster.
I also forgot how Sleeping Giant's sample sounded like. But since this is the tour representing the album, I decided on 4 songs to include in this set. Their next longest track Sleeping Giant would be great to include at the end, right before the closing epic-like sound of Pale Blue Dot (which I think would be a neat way to keep an epic feel to set up the big new 20-min epic, it'd build up that anticipation).
I really do hope they play Awaken The Master though. That groove in the sample was awesome and would be quite energetic live.
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Okay...to pass time while I wait for tomorrow, I present another possible set-list. Not many of my favorite songs, but interesting none-the-less.
1. The Alien (9:32)
2. The Looking Glass (4:46)
3. Innocence Faded (5:36)
4. Barstool Warrior (6:43)
5. Transcending Time (6:25)
6. Blind Faith (10:29)
7. S2N (6:21)
8. Chosen (4:32)
9. Invisible Monster (6:31)
10. Surrender To Reason (6:35)
11. Sleeping Giant (10:05)
12. Pale Blue Dot (8:52)
13. A View From The Top of The World (20:24)
Total: 1:46:46
I included The Looking Glass as a song from the self-titled as those songs have not really had gotten an opportunity to be played much at all. Also, Surrender to Reason at the end since it's never been played and this would be the perfect time to play it, it'd also add a nice epic feel towards the end of the set.
Innocence Faded, I added in since I heard JLB sing the high part on his cameo (I know this doesn't reflect how it will sound live). I think he is capable of singing this song and doing a good decent job on his worst night, it begins with soft vocals and the only struggle would be that high part, and he could go into his warmer tone for the chorus and bridge after.
I also think they'd want to play some DoT songs as well, and I chose 3. The one that fits the tone of this set and one that would be fun to see again (Barstool Warrior), the song not played (S2N), and the sort of mini-epic to end the set (Pale Blue Dot).
I actually forgot how the Transcending Time sample started but I feel, as this is being labelled as the Rush song, would fit between the more Rush like tunes of Innocence Faded, Barstool Warrior and The Looking Glass.
Blind Faith for a nice nod to 6DOIT.
Chosen would be awesome for them to pull out again as something to represent The Astonishing. It's a ballad I consider their best, and would be a nice slow breather for the band, while also being a great lead into Invisible Monster.
I also forgot how Sleeping Giant's sample sounded like. But since this is the tour representing the album, I decided on 4 songs to include in this set. Their next longest track Sleeping Giant would be great to include at the end, right before the closing epic-like sound of Pale Blue Dot (which I think would be a neat way to keep an epic feel to set up the big new 20-min epic, it'd build up that anticipation).
I really do hope they play Awaken The Master though. That groove in the sample was awesome and would be quite energetic live.
I hope its longer than 1 hour 46 mins. :'(
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Okay...to pass time while I wait for tomorrow, I present another possible set-list. Not many of my favorite songs, but interesting none-the-less.
1. The Alien (9:32)
2. The Looking Glass (4:46)
3. Innocence Faded (5:36)
4. Barstool Warrior (6:43)
5. Transcending Time (6:25)
6. Blind Faith (10:29)
7. S2N (6:21)
8. Chosen (4:32)
9. Invisible Monster (6:31)
10. Surrender To Reason (6:35)
11. Sleeping Giant (10:05)
12. Pale Blue Dot (8:52)
13. A View From The Top of The World (20:24)
Total: 1:46:46
I included The Looking Glass as a song from the self-titled as those songs have not really had gotten an opportunity to be played much at all. Also, Surrender to Reason at the end since it's never been played and this would be the perfect time to play it, it'd also add a nice epic feel towards the end of the set.
Innocence Faded, I added in since I heard JLB sing the high part on his cameo (I know this doesn't reflect how it will sound live). I think he is capable of singing this song and doing a good decent job on his worst night, it begins with soft vocals and the only struggle would be that high part, and he could go into his warmer tone for the chorus and bridge after.
I also think they'd want to play some DoT songs as well, and I chose 3. The one that fits the tone of this set and one that would be fun to see again (Barstool Warrior), the song not played (S2N), and the sort of mini-epic to end the set (Pale Blue Dot).
I actually forgot how the Transcending Time sample started but I feel, as this is being labelled as the Rush song, would fit between the more Rush like tunes of Innocence Faded, Barstool Warrior and The Looking Glass.
Blind Faith for a nice nod to 6DOIT.
Chosen would be awesome for them to pull out again as something to represent The Astonishing. It's a ballad I consider their best, and would be a nice slow breather for the band, while also being a great lead into Invisible Monster.
I also forgot how Sleeping Giant's sample sounded like. But since this is the tour representing the album, I decided on 4 songs to include in this set. Their next longest track Sleeping Giant would be great to include at the end, right before the closing epic-like sound of Pale Blue Dot (which I think would be a neat way to keep an epic feel to set up the big new 20-min epic, it'd build up that anticipation).
I really do hope they play Awaken The Master though. That groove in the sample was awesome and would be quite energetic live.
I hope its longer than 1 hour 46 mins. :'(
yeah, mine is. :D
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Okay...to pass time while I wait for tomorrow, I present another possible set-list. Not many of my favorite songs, but interesting none-the-less.
1. The Alien (9:32)
2. The Looking Glass (4:46)
3. Innocence Faded (5:36)
4. Barstool Warrior (6:43)
5. Transcending Time (6:25)
6. Blind Faith (10:29)
7. S2N (6:21)
8. Chosen (4:32)
9. Invisible Monster (6:31)
10. Surrender To Reason (6:35)
11. Sleeping Giant (10:05)
12. Pale Blue Dot (8:52)
13. A View From The Top of The World (20:24)
Total: 1:46:46
I don't think they'd play 3 DoT songs.
I actually think the inclusion here of The Looking Glass is interesting. But I doubt you'd get that and Surrender To Reason.
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Okay...to pass time while I wait for tomorrow, I present another possible set-list. Not many of my favorite songs, but interesting none-the-less.
1. The Alien (9:32)
2. The Looking Glass (4:46)
3. Innocence Faded (5:36)
4. Barstool Warrior (6:43)
5. Transcending Time (6:25)
6. Blind Faith (10:29)
7. S2N (6:21)
8. Chosen (4:32)
9. Invisible Monster (6:31)
10. Surrender To Reason (6:35)
11. Sleeping Giant (10:05)
12. Pale Blue Dot (8:52)
13. A View From The Top of The World (20:24)
Total: 1:46:46
I don't think they'd play 3 DoT songs.
I actually think the inclusion here of The Looking Glass is interesting. But I doubt you'd get that and Surrender To Reason.
I think we'll only get one song from DT (I'm guessing The Enemy Inside) and 2 tracks from D/T (I'm thinking AWE and either S2N or OOR). That's my prediction.
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Okay...to pass time while I wait for tomorrow, I present another possible set-list. Not many of my favorite songs, but interesting none-the-less.
1. The Alien (9:32)
2. The Looking Glass (4:46)
3. Innocence Faded (5:36)
4. Barstool Warrior (6:43)
5. Transcending Time (6:25)
6. Blind Faith (10:29)
7. S2N (6:21)
8. Chosen (4:32)
9. Invisible Monster (6:31)
10. Surrender To Reason (6:35)
11. Sleeping Giant (10:05)
12. Pale Blue Dot (8:52)
13. A View From The Top of The World (20:24)
Total: 1:46:46
I don't think they'd play 3 DoT songs.
I actually think the inclusion here of The Looking Glass is interesting. But I doubt you'd get that and Surrender To Reason.
They could since they haven't played The Looking Glass since their tour for the self-titled and I am sure JP and the guys would like to play songs from that album more again.
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Yeah, Ben, I think The Looking Glass it's a great pick.
I would also love to see them play Blind Faith, but I feel like it might be a bit too hard on James at this point.
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I listened to the album and now I can create a set that is representative of what I would like the tour to be, based on the sound of the songs of the new album. Since time does allow, they can play the entire album....So here's a set with the entire album.
1. The Alien (9:32)
2. Answering The Call (7:35)
3. The Looking Glass (4:46)
4. Innocence Faded (5:36)
5. Transcending Time (6:25)
6. Blind Faith (10:29)
7. Invisible Monster (6:31)
8. S2N (6:21)
9. Chosen (4:32)
10. Sleeping Giant (10:05)
11. Surrender To Reason (6:35)
12. Awaken The Master (9:47)
13. Pale Blue Dot (8:52)
14. A View From The Top of The World (20:24)
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I was thinking about which songs from the new album will make it to the setlist, specially considering they won't play the whole thing live at first (they already said that, btw). My bet is that they play 5 new songs = everything except Answering The Call and Transcending Time.
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1. The Alien (9:32)
2. Answering the Call (7:35)
3. Endless Sacrifice (11:23)
4. Invisible Monster (6:31)
5. S2N (6:21)
6. Sleeping Giant (10:05)
7. Solitary Shell (5:47)
8. About to Crash (Reprise) (4:04)
9. Losing Time/Grand Finale (5:59)
10. Surrender to Reason (6:35)
11. Bridges in the Sky (11:01)
12. A View from the Top of the World (20:24)
13. The Glass Prison (13:52)
A total of 1 hrs 57 mins; recognizes 20th anniversary of 6 Degrees; 10th anniversary of ADTOE; a song from D/T that was not played live; gets a song from DT12 not played, and 5/7 of the new songs.
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1. The Alien (9:32)
2. Answering the Call (7:35)
3. Endless Sacrifice (11:23)
4. Invisible Monster (6:31)
5. S2N (6:21)
6. Sleeping Giant (10:05)
7. Solitary Shell (5:47)
8. About to Crash (Reprise) (4:04)
9. Losing Time/Grand Finale (5:59)
10. Surrender to Reason (6:35)
11. Bridges in the Sky (11:01)
12. A View from the Top of the World (20:24)
13. The Glass Prison (13:52)
A total of 1 hrs 57 mins; recognizes 20th anniversary of 6 Degrees; 10th anniversary of ADTOE; a song from D/T that was not played live; gets a song from DT12 not played, and 5/7 of the new songs.
I would be very happy with this setlist.
My only change would be playing Sleeping Giant after the SDOIT songs.
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That works well too! Good call Vmadera00!
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1. The Alien (9:32)
2. Answering the Call (7:35)
3. Endless Sacrifice (11:23)
4. Invisible Monster (6:31)
5. S2N (6:21)
6. Sleeping Giant (10:05)
7. Solitary Shell (5:47)
8. About to Crash (Reprise) (4:04)
9. Losing Time/Grand Finale (5:59)
10. Surrender to Reason (6:35)
11. Bridges in the Sky (11:01)
12. A View from the Top of the World (20:24)
13. The Glass Prison (13:52)
A total of 1 hrs 57 mins; recognizes 20th anniversary of 6 Degrees; 10th anniversary of ADTOE; a song from D/T that was not played live; gets a song from DT12 not played, and 5/7 of the new songs.
I wouldn't mind this at all.
You know what sort of makes me laugh a bit when I see The Glass Prison in set-lists and how much fans want to hear it live. Is it will not be like when they played it with Portnoy, they play to a click and I do not know if they rehearse with the click as well to prep for the tour. If so, then this would be the time to not play the song in album tempo and set it to a good enough tempo to bring out the energy of the song, while also allowing JP to not struggle with the arpeggio section in the intro. If they did play in album tempo, I could hear people complaining about it being too slow, but it is not as that is the correct tempo it is in. Look at Endless Sacrifice on the LNF archives release compared to Budakon.
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I personally would love to see them play the whole new record with other songs in between, maybe one from each record they have not played or rarely have played live, and all time classics. I thought this would be an all time greatest set:
The Alien
The Looking Glass
Answering The Call
Panic Attack
Wither
Invisible Monster
Scarred
Sleeping Giant
Our New World
Transcending Time
At Wit's End
*Intermission*
As I Am
Awaken The Master
Take The Time
Hell's Kitchen
Constant Motion
Misunderstood
A View From The Top Of The World
Encore:
Breaking All Illusions
Losing Time / Grand Finale
The Spirit Carries On
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Here's a hypothetical situation....
What if the band chose not to play A View From The Top of The World due to time and wanting to play more songs? Now this would be interesting to see what sort of set-list they could possibly come up with. If the new epic isn't played due to time, this would leave out the other epics. What would be the last song? What would be the encore? Given this tour is 2 hours tops, let's make a set without the inclusion of an epic. (You could go further and choose to split up the epic parts, but I doubt the band would even consider doing that, JP seems like a full song or no song sort of guy, based off him not liking medleys).
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Here's a hypothetical situation....
What if the band chose not to play A View From The Top of The World due to time and wanting to play more songs? Now this would be interesting to see what sort of set-list they could possibly come up with. If the new epic isn't played due to time, this would leave out the other epics. What would be the last song? What would be the encore? Given this tour is 2 hours tops, let's make a set without the inclusion of an epic. (You could go further and choose to split up the epic parts, but I doubt the band would even consider doing that, JP seems like a full song or no song sort of guy, based off him not liking medleys).
I’m torn on this. If the set really ends up being 2 hours, I wouldn’t want them to take up 21 min of it for one song, but ONLY if they do another US tour later next year and play it. Otherwise, it’s definitely worth it. But I’ll take a shot at a epic-less set:
The Glass Prison(directly into…)
Answering the Call (I think they have the same tuning? If they do this would be an epic way to start a show)
Invisible Monster
Behind the Veil
Panic Attack
Constant Motion
Sleeping Giant
Surrender to Reason
Lines in the Sand
S2N
Solitary Shell
Awaken the Master
The Alien (I really think this song would work as a great closer for their first tour with this album. It’s epic enough to close out a set IMO, especially paired with AtM)
Encore:
Bridges in the Sky
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1. Answering The Call
2. The Enemy Inside
3. Panic Attack
4. Beyond This Life
5. Hollow Years
6. Sleeping Giant
7. S2N
8. Blind Faith
9. Awaken The Master
10. Ministry Of Lost Souls
11. Losing Time
12. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
13. Octavarium
14. Invisible Monster
15. AVFTOFTW
16. Learning To Live
Pretty sure this would be longest concert ever. Might have just gotten excited thinking about all the amazing DT music. lol.
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I'll have a go at it.
1. Invisible Monster
2. Behind the Veil
3. Answering the Call
4. Awaken the Master
5. Stream of Consciousness
6. S2N
7. The Bigger Picture
8. Sleeping Giant
10. Chosen
11. Moment of Betrayal
12. Jordan/John (solos)
13. Ravenskill
14. AVFTTOTW
Encores
15. Pull Me Under
16. The Alien
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Random, but I hope they play Outcry on this tour. Such an underrated track. I haven’t had a chance to see it yet.
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Outcry is indeed amazing.
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(opening PA music; theme from new Dune movie or something)
1. Awaken The Master (perfect opening track)
2. Barstool Warrior
3. Under A Glass Moon
4. Through My Words / Fatal Tragedy / Beyond This Life (medley)
5. Bridges In The Sky
6. Answering The Call
7. Invisible Monster
8. Scarred
9. 6.00
10. A View From The Top Of The World
Encore:
11. Pull Me Under / Metropolis Pt 1 (the famous me Pullmeopolis medley)
I still think this will work well :metal :metal
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(opening PA music; theme from new Dune movie or something)
1. Awaken The Master (perfect opening track)
2. Barstool Warrior
3. Under A Glass Moon
4. Through My Words / Fatal Tragedy / Beyond This Life (medley)
5. Bridges In The Sky
6. Answering The Call
7. Invisible Monster
8. Scarred
9. 6.00
10. A View From The Top Of The World
Encore:
11. Pull Me Under / Metropolis Pt 1 (the famous me Pullmeopolis medley)
I still think this will work well :metal :metal
I like that list, but think they'll definitely play more than 4 new ones and I can't seem them NOT playing The Alien.
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(opening PA music; theme from new Dune movie or something)
1. Awaken The Master (perfect opening track)
2. Barstool Warrior
3. Under A Glass Moon
4. Through My Words / Fatal Tragedy / Beyond This Life (medley)
5. Bridges In The Sky
6. Answering The Call
7. Invisible Monster
8. Scarred
9. 6.00
10. A View From The Top Of The World
Encore:
11. Pull Me Under / Metropolis Pt 1 (the famous me Pullmeopolis medley)
I still think this will work well :metal :metal
Sorry, double post.
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What i would like their setlist to be
1. Answering the call 07.35
2. Beyond this life 11.22
3. Barstool Warrior 06.43
4. Sleeping Giant 10.05
5. The Great Debate 13.46
6. Only a Matter of Time 06.35
7. Hollow years 05.53
8. Lost Not Forgotten 10.11
9. Sacrificed Sons 10.42
10.The Looking Glass 04.53
11.Shades of Hope (LTE3) 04.42
12.Awaken the Master 09.47
13.Blind Faith 10.21
14.This Dying Soul 11.27
15.A View from the top of the world 20.24
ENCORE
Viper King 4.00
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What i would like their setlist to be
1. Answering the call 07.35
2. Beyond this life 11.22
3. Barstool Warrior 06.43
4. Sleeping Giant 10.05
5. The Great Debate 13.46
6. Only a Matter of Time 06.35
7. Hollow years 05.53
8. Lost Not Forgotten 10.11
9. Sacrificed Sons 10.42
10.The Looking Glass 04.53
11.Shades of Hope (LTE3) 04.42
12.Awaken the Master 09.47
13.Blind Faith 10.21
14.This Dying Soul 11.27
15.A View from the top of the world 20.24
ENCORE
Viper King 4.00
Viper King encore? At least I could take a piss and beat the traffic...
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Jordan just uploaded a couple clips of him playing sections from TCOT. I feel like he does this before EVERY tour and that makes people think it's going to be played and then they don't. Now, the song hasn't been played since 2011, so they could totally bring it back next year, but I don't think there's ever been a tour where they played two (or more) 20 min epics at the same show? AVFTTOTW + TCOT would be an incredible thing for those attending :hefdaddy
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TCOT would be awesome. Hopefully not a half version or a medley.
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TCOT would be awesome. Hopefully not a half version or a medley.
I doubt it - JP gives medley's the finger.... if it was MP doing the setlist, that'd be a different story.
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That's good. But I still can't see both TCOT and AVFTTOTW in one set.
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That's good. But I still can't see both TCOT and AVFTTOTW in one set.
I agree. I doubt they'll play TCOT. I hope I'm wrong but don't see it. They're definitely going to play A View.
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I highly doubt they'll play TCoT. I think JP is a more shrewd setlist creator than he's given credit for, and I don't think he'd want to play another song from BC&SL considering the last album's tour had the other big song from that album. I could see some of the albums that didn't get any play last time get a song in, and no inclusions from I&W/SFAM (hopefully).
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I highly doubt they'll play TCoT. I think JP is a more shrewd setlist creator than he's given credit for, and I don't think he'd want to play another song from BC&SL considering the last album's tour had the other big song from that album. I could see some of the albums that didn't get any play last time get a song in, and no inclusions from I&W/SFAM (hopefully).
Good point. I'm hoping for something from ADTOE like Bridges in the Sky - and maybe something from FII (Peruvian Skies or Trial of Tears).
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I highly doubt they'll play TCoT. I think JP is a more shrewd setlist creator than he's given credit for, and I don't think he'd want to play another song from BC&SL considering the last album's tour had the other big song from that album.
Not only that - even with Evening With shows it would be extremely iffy, but with gigs having an opening act, no way.
I could see some of the albums that didn't get any play last time get a song in, and no inclusions from I&W/SFAM (hopefully).
Yeah, I definitely hope they completely avoid IaW and SFaM on this next tour. They've got 13 other albums to pick from and there's many songs that haven't seen the light of day for quite some time. Only issue I can see with some of them is that JP will avoid picking anything obscure and there are some tracks they'll avoid just because they're probably too difficult for JL to pull off from night to night (unless they start swapping them in and out of the set).
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I need The Killing Hand.
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I need The Killing Hand.
Oddly enough, I have been lucky enough to see that played (at the infamous Master of Puppets shows in Chicago in '02), yet in nine DT shows since 1994, I have still never seen Learning to Live. :censored :censored
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I need The Killing Hand.
Oddly enough, I have been lucky enough to see that played (at the infamous Master of Puppets shows in Chicago in '02), yet in nine DT shows since 1994, I have still never seen Learning to Live. :censored :censored
I've seen it live three times. Twice in '92 and once in '96.
Top 5 DT track for me.
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I need The Killing Hand.
Oddly enough, I have been lucky enough to see that played (at the infamous Master of Puppets shows in Chicago in '02), yet in nine DT shows since 1994, I have still never seen Learning to Live. :censored :censored
I've seen it live three times. Twice in '92 and once in '96.
Top 5 DT track for me.
Awesome. :hat :hat
I can't go that far, but it is pretty damn great. Light Fuse and Get Away is still the best song from the debut. :biggrin:
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They played that in Boston on the 6 D's tour, but I didn't see that tour. :(
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I need The Killing Hand.
Oddly enough, I have been lucky enough to see that played (at the infamous Master of Puppets shows in Chicago in '02), yet in nine DT shows since 1994, I have still never seen Learning to Live. :censored :censored
Shame you didn't go to both of the Chicago shows, given the distance you drove. They played it the first night in Chicago.
Light Fuse and Get Away is still the best song from the debut. :biggrin:
Fully agree! Wish that one would be brought back again, but it was a rarity even with MP in the band (only played 4 times since JL joined), so you know there's no way in hell that JP will add it to the setlist.
They played that in Boston on the 6 D's tour, but I didn't see that tour. :(
You picked the best two tours to skip over (I realize you probably didn't have a choice). Given how much I love LFaGA, I'm so happy I got to see both times they played it on the ToT tour. :)
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I need The Killing Hand.
Oddly enough, I have been lucky enough to see that played (at the infamous Master of Puppets shows in Chicago in '02), yet in nine DT shows since 1994, I have still never seen Learning to Live. :censored :censored
Shame you didn't go to both of the Chicago shows, given the distance you drove. They played it the first night in Chicago.
I am aware. Five of us drove up for it, and sadly with everything going at the time, going up for two nights and both shows simply wasn't realistic, so we picked just the Saturday night show. It is what it is. :tup :tup
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Jordan keeps posting videos of him practicing TCOT, so I'm starting to think they're really going to play it for this tour, but it still feels unlikely given that they have the new epic and a shorter set time. We'll see what happens next.
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Jordan keeps posting videos of him practicing TCOT, so I'm starting to think they're really going to play it for this tour, but it still feels unlikely given that they have the new epic and a shorter set time. We'll see what happens next.
well, keep in mind that A View may close the main set and Count may be the encore. Works out innit.
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Jordan keeps posting videos of him practicing TCOT, so I'm starting to think they're really going to play it for this tour, but it still feels unlikely given that they have the new epic and a shorter set time. We'll see what happens next.
well, keep in mind that A View may close the main set and Count may be the encore. Works out innit.
Yeah, that'd work quite well, actually :hefdaddy
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Quote from JP I just read.
"And we're gonna play a bunch of material from the new album, obviously. We do have a new stage set that's in development that we're trying to make an all-encompassing view from the top of the world. So, we'll see. We're working on that. And we'll play some songs that we haven't played in a long time; we always like to do that as well."
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Sounds like the return of You Not Me is coming.
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How long do you think the guys will play for? 1:30:00, 1:45:00, or push it to 1:55:00.
I would hope for at least a 1:45:00 set time. It'd be awesome if we got 1:55:00, 1:50:00 sounds more reasonable though.
Edit: And how many new songs? I hope what JP means by a bunch is 5-6 new songs.
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Only “please must play” for me is AWE, since I last saw them on first leg of D/T tour when it wasn’t played. Otherwise hoping that (but know it’s unlikely) the set list of new material includes TA ATC IM SG, then AVFTTOTW if time allows. But I’d take any of the first 4 over the epic.
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Quote from JP I just read.
”…And we'll play some songs that we haven't played in a long time; we always like to do that as well."
Octavarium please.
There’s actually a ton of songs that they haven’t played in a long time/ever. Here’s a list of every album song that Dream Theater haven’t played with Mike Mangini or ever, not counting AVFtTotW.
Status Seeker
The Killing Hand
The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
Light Fuse and Get Away
Only a Matter of Time
Innocence Faded
Erotomania
Voices
New Millennium
You Not Me
Hollow Years
Lines in the Sand
Take Away My Pain
Just Let Me Breathe
Anna Lee
The Glass Prison
Misunderstood
Blind Faith
Disappear
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
This Dying Soul
Honor Thy Father
Vacant
Stream of Consciousness
In the Name of God
The Answer Lies Within
I Walk Beside You
Never Enough
Sacrificed Sons
Octavarium
Repentance
Prophets of War
The Ministry of Lost Souls
In the Presence of Enemies Pt. 2
A Rite of Passage
The Best of Times
Surrender to Reason
Room 137
S2N
Out of Reach
*Viper King*
That’s a lot of incredible music that hasn’t been touched in over a decade, if ever.
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I'm betting they'll open with The Alien and close with A View. I'm pretty sure we'll also get Invisible Monster and Awaken the Master (got to show off that new 8-string). So that's 4 songs I think are for sure. Possibly they'll play a 5th song, but not guaranteed, that's the way I see it. Lots of old songs that I would love to see as well (Voices, Glass Prison, Blind Faith, The Killing Hand etc.) Would also LOVE if they broke out TCOT or Octavarium - but I just don't see how they have the time for it.
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I would really love it if they closed the show with Viper King.. Go out on a fun light hearted note after all the epic-ness. :coolio
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I'm betting they'll open with The Alien and close with A View. I'm pretty sure we'll also get Invisible Monster and Awaken the Master (got to show off that new 8-string). So that's 4 songs I think are for sure. Possibly they'll play a 5th song, but not guaranteed, that's the way I see it. Lots of old songs that I would love to see as well (Voices, Glass Prison, Blind Faith, The Killing Hand etc.) Would also LOVE if they broke out TCOT or Octavarium - but I just don't see how they have the time for it.
I would also love TCOT or Octavarium, but don't see it happening either with the time limit.
They could do it though. It's why I asked the question of how many new songs you think they'll play because that adds to time for older songs. Now I'd say 4-5 is more realistic. Sleeping Giant just won an award for Song of The Year for the 2021 Prog Report Awards, if that says anything. So that is likely in the set...
I came up with this...
The Alien
On The Backs of Angels
Answering The Call
Erotomania
Voices
Invisible Monster
Hollow Years
Sleeping Giant
A View From The Top of The World
Octavarium
That's about 1:55:00 total....
Here's what I have without Octavarium...
The Alien
On The Backs of Angels
Answering The Call
I Walk Beside You
Blind Faith
Hollow Years
Invisible Monster
Stream of Consciousness
Only a Matter of Time
Sleeping Giant (I had Awaken the Monster here, but don't think it'll get played this time)
Disappear
Surrender to Reason
A View From The Top of The World
This one is also about 1:55:00 total.
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Good setlist, but I would replace OTBOA with S2N.. :tup
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I'm betting they'll open with The Alien and close with A View. I'm pretty sure we'll also get Invisible Monster and Awaken the Master (got to show off that new 8-string). So that's 4 songs I think are for sure. Possibly they'll play a 5th song, but not guaranteed, that's the way I see it. Lots of old songs that I would love to see as well (Voices, Glass Prison, Blind Faith, The Killing Hand etc.) Would also LOVE if they broke out TCOT or Octavarium - but I just don't see how they have the time for it.
I would also love TCOT or Octavarium, but don't see it happening either with the time limit.
They could do it though. It's why I asked the question of how many new songs you think they'll play because that adds to time for older songs. Now I'd say 4-5 is more realistic. Sleeping Giant just won an award for Song of The Year for the 2021 Prog Report Awards, if that says anything. So that is likely in the set...
I came up with this...
The Alien
On The Backs of Angels
Answering The Call
Erotomania
Voices
Invisible Monster
Hollow Years
Sleeping Giant
A View From The Top of The World
Octavarium
That's about 1:55:00 total....
Here's what I have without Octavarium...
The Alien
On The Backs of Angels
Answering The Call
I Walk Beside You
Blind Faith
Hollow Years
Invisible Monster
Stream of Consciousness
Only a Matter of Time
Sleeping Giant (I had Awaken the Monster here, but don't think it'll get played this time)
Disappear
Surrender to Reason
A View From The Top of The World
This one is also about 1:55:00 total.
I love these both. I'd prefer the one with Octavarium but both would blow me away.
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I do hope they play Sleeping Giant and Awaken The Master.
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Either of those setlists but ATM instead of ATC, and that's basically my ideal setlist for the tour.
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I actually wish they would play the entire album. But that means less time for other songs.
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Having only seen DT once *20* years ago and anxiously awaiting March 21st, I've been very curious about what set they'll come out with. For fun, I made a playlist "set" of songs that I think are both realistic and songs I would want to hear. I know this one would disappoint people wanting a big epic, but it being only my second time ever (and possibly last), I'd like to see them cover more albums rather than spend too much precious time on any single one (other than View, which we know they'll do). This came out to 1:45, which I think is about what it'll be plus a few short solos, James interactions and some kind of recorded intro.
1. The Enemy Inside
2. Answering The Call
3. 6:00
4. Sleeping Giant
5. The Root Of All Evil
6. Invisible Monster
7. Awaken The Master
8. Fatal Tragedy
9. Bridges In The Sky
10. Barstool Warrior
11. The Alien
encore:
12. Learning To Live
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Having only seen DT once *20* years ago and anxiously awaiting March 21st, I've been very curious about what set they'll come out with. For fun, I made a playlist "set" of songs that I think are both realistic and songs I would want to hear. I know this one would disappoint people wanting a big epic, but it being only my second time ever (and possibly last), I'd like to see them cover more albums rather than spend too much precious time on any single one (other than View, which we know they'll do). This came out to 1:45, which I think is about what it'll be plus a few short solos, James interactions and some kind of recorded intro.
1. The Enemy Inside
2. Answering The Call
3. 6:00 (Live at LP)
4. Sleeping Giant
5. The Root Of All Evil (Live at LP)
6. Invisible Monster
7. Fatal Tragedy (Live in London)
8. Awaken The Master
9. Barstool Warrier
10. The Alien
11. Breaking All Illusions
encore:
12. Metropolis Part 1
Not a bad set, but I think they will definitely be playing A View From The Top of the World - so you need to fit that in there...and I doubt they'll play Fatal Tragedy, after playing all of SFAM last tour.
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Personally, I'd love to see them play the whole new album over the course of the set (not straight through), and then fill in the gaps with older songs. I like it when artists have enough faith in a new album to feature all or most of it in the live set, rather than "hey, here are a few songs from it" and then the bulk being older songs. If you are touring on the album, feature it heavily.
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Having only seen DT once *20* years ago and anxiously awaiting March 21st, I've been very curious about what set they'll come out with. For fun, I made a playlist "set" of songs that I think are both realistic and songs I would want to hear. I know this one would disappoint people wanting a big epic, but it being only my second time ever (and possibly last), I'd like to see them cover more albums rather than spend too much precious time on any single one (other than View, which we know they'll do). This came out to 1:45, which I think is about what it'll be plus a few short solos, James interactions and some kind of recorded intro.
1. The Enemy Inside
2. Answering The Call
3. 6:00 (Live at LP)
4. Sleeping Giant
5. The Root Of All Evil (Live at LP)
6. Invisible Monster
7. Fatal Tragedy (Live in London)
8. Awaken The Master
9. Barstool Warrier
10. The Alien
11. Breaking All Illusions
encore:
12. Metropolis Part 1
Not a bad set, but I think they will definitely be playing A View From The Top of the World - so you need to fit that in there...and I doubt they'll play Fatal Tragedy, after playing all of SFAM last tour.
You're probably right about them playing the View title track. We'll see. I feel like they'll play at least one song from Scenes since it's their most well known and some people may be seeing them for the first time. I'm sure it'll be a great show no matter the set. Just hope it doesn't get pushed back again.
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Quote from JP I just read.
”…And we'll play some songs that we haven't played in a long time; we always like to do that as well."
Octavarium please.
There’s actually a ton of songs that they haven’t played in a long time/ever. Here’s a list of every album song that Dream Theater haven’t played with Mike Mangini or ever, not counting AVFtTotW.
Status Seeker
The Killing Hand
The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
Light Fuse and Get Away
Only a Matter of Time
Innocence Faded
Erotomania
Voices
New Millennium
You Not Me
Hollow Years
Lines in the Sand
Take Away My Pain
Just Let Me Breathe
Anna Lee
The Glass Prison
Misunderstood
Blind Faith
Disappear
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
This Dying Soul
Honor Thy Father
Vacant
Stream of Consciousness
In the Name of God
The Answer Lies Within
I Walk Beside You
Never Enough
Sacrificed Sons
Octavarium
Repentance
Prophets of War
The Ministry of Lost Souls
In the Presence of Enemies Pt. 2
A Rite of Passage
The Best of Times
Surrender to Reason
Room 137
S2N
Out of Reach
*Viper King*
That’s a lot of incredible music that hasn’t been touched in over a decade, if ever.
:tup
Thanks for the list, I forgot about Status Seeker. I updated the first post with this list...
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Personally, I'd love to see them play the whole new album over the course of the set (not straight through), and then fill in the gaps with older songs. I like it when artists have enough faith in a new album to feature all or most of it in the live set, rather than "hey, here are a few songs from it" and then the bulk being older songs. If you are touring on the album, feature it heavily.
I agree and I felt like creating a set to see how it could look. I took "older" to be songs pre-Mangini. This is what I came up with given the 2 hour time limit.
1. The Alien
2. Caught In A Web
3. Answering The Call
4. Misunderstood
5. Invisible Monster
6. Peruvian Skies (or War Inside My Head/The Test That Stumped Them All, I would have both but they go over the time limit)
7. Awaken The Master
8. Hollow Years
9. Transcending Time
10. Innocence Faded
11. Sleeping Giant
12. I Walk Bedside You
13. Only A Matter of Time
14. A View From The Top Of The World
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I think they could do it and play nothing but Mangini songs in the main set and then do an older song in the encore.
I will leave out one new song since six of seven new ones is still damn fine representation.
The Alien
Answering the Call
This Is the Life
Fall into the Light
Transcending Time
Sleeping Giant
Surrender to Reason
S2N
Moment of Surrender
A New Beginning
Beneath the Surface
Awaken the Master
A View from the Top of the World
Learning to Live
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I would not mind that at all.
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I think they could do it and play nothing but Mangini songs in the main set and then do an older song in the encore.
I will leave out one new song since six of seven new ones is still damn fine representation.
The Alien
Answering the Call
This Is the Life
Fall into the Light
Transcending Time
Sleeping Giant
Surrender to Reason
S2N
Moment of Surrender
A New Beginning
Beneath the Surface
Awaken the Master
A View from the Top of the World
Learning to Live
Personally, I'd love to see them play the whole new album over the course of the set (not straight through), and then fill in the gaps with older songs. I like it when artists have enough faith in a new album to feature all or most of it in the live set, rather than "hey, here are a few songs from it" and then the bulk being older songs. If you are touring on the album, feature it heavily.
I agree and I felt like creating a set to see how it could look. I took "older" to be songs pre-Mangini. This is what I came up with given the 2 hour time limit.
1. The Alien
2. Caught In A Web
3. Answering The Call
4. Misunderstood
5. Invisible Monster
6. Peruvian Skies (or War Inside My Head/The Test That Stumped Them All, I would have both but they go over the time limit)
7. Awaken The Master
8. Hollow Years
9. Transcending Time
10. Innocence Faded
11. Sleeping Giant
12. I Walk Bedside You
13. Only A Matter of Time
14. A View From The Top Of The World
These both look fucking amazing. Especially the one with the learning to live encore imo.
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Moment of Surrender
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I have been lucky enough to see most of my absolute favorite DT songs live. The big one I'm missing is The Glass Prison, so I would be stoked if they played that on this tour (although I'm not expecting it).
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Moment of Surrender
:metal
Oh yeah, I love that one!
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Moment of Surrender
:metal
Oh yeah, I love that one!
Do you like it as much as Winger's Time To Surrender? Asking for a friend.
:TAC:
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:lol
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I too would like to see them play the whole new album but don't think it will happen. JL, said in an interview a couple of months ago, that hopefully one day he'll get the opportunity to sing Transcending Time live (implying that it will not be played this time around).
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If I had to guess, I would say Answering the Call and Transcending Time won’t get played. The Alien and Invisible Monster are singles, they’ll get played. Awaken the Master is too, I guess. It seems to be popular, so it’ll get played. Sleeping Giant is a favorite and the title track is a given.
That’s a little less than an hour of music and that give’s them about another hour for older songs. Seems right.
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If I had to guess, I would say Answering the Call and Transcending Time won’t get played. The Alien and Invisible Monster are singles, they’ll get played. Awaken the Master is too, I guess. It seems to be popular, so it’ll get played. Sleeping Giant is a favorite and the title track is a given.
That’s a little less than an hour of music and that give’s them about another hour for older songs. Seems right.
I would love if they rotated Sleeping Giant and Answering the Call.
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I'd be pissed if I got Answering The Call instead of Sleeping Giant.
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ATC has become my favorite as of late. At the beginning it was probably number 6, but it really grew!
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This is what I mean by waiting to see the set list. Playing Invisible Monster and not playing Transcending Time would be more than a bit questionable, IMO. I know, personal tastes and all of that, but it feels like they missed the boat a little with both DT12 and Distance over Time when it came to what songs they played from those albums on those tours (At Wit's End not getting played until later in the year; Surrender to Reason and The Bigger Picture not getting played at all on the Along for the Ride tour). Even with the set lists being mostly static, DT has done a very good job since Mangini joined the band, but it seems like their choices when it comes to what new songs to play are WTFs at times. Heck, remember they even left Breaking All Illusions off of the set list on the first night of the A Dramatic Turn of Events tour. :eek :eek
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This is what I mean by waiting to see the set list. Playing Invisible Monster and not playing Transcending Time would be more than a bit questionable, IMO. I know, personal tastes and all of that, but it feels like they missed the boat a little with both DT12 and Distance over Time when it came to what songs they played from those albums on those tours (At Wit's End not getting played until later in the year; Surrender to Reason and The Bigger Picture not getting played at all on the Along for the Ride tour). Even with the set lists being mostly static, DT has done a very good job since Mangini joined the band, but it seems like their choices when it comes to what new songs to play are WTFs at times. Heck, remember they even left Breaking All Illusions off of the set list on the first night of the A Dramatic Turn of Events tour. :eek :eek
I'd take IM over TT any day personally.
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The Alien
Surrender To Reason
Invisible Monster
Sleeping Giant
Our New World
Hollow Years
Solitary Shell
The Answer Lies Within
Lost Not Forgotten
Octavarium
A View From The Top Of The World
Around 1:47 in length.
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But I could see Octavarium not being played til next tour when the album turns 20.
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I'd be pissed if I got Answering The Call instead of Sleeping Giant.
Easily my top 2 on the album, and rising daily… at this point I’m entertaining the idea that it’d be better to *not* play the title track :omg: I’d be thrilled if that time was spent on songs 1-6.
ETA: also yeah the main song I’m hoping for is AWE, wasn’t in the set list on first NA leg and definitely missed
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I hope DT is not making set list decisions based on what may be played on the "next" tour.
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I have been lucky enough to see most of my absolute favorite DT songs live. The big one I'm missing is The Glass Prison, so I would be stoked if they played that on this tour (although I'm not expecting it).
The first time I saw them, on the tour with Queensryche, they opened with it. I was thrilled. ;D
I think it's definitely time to bring it back. They haven't played it in 17 years.
I've been lucky enough to see a lot of my favorite songs played through the years but Scarred is one of the ones I haven't gotten to see yet. I know they've played it in the last eight years, but I really hope they bring that back for the next tour.
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I have been lucky enough to see most of my absolute favorite DT songs live. The big one I'm missing is The Glass Prison, so I would be stoked if they played that on this tour (although I'm not expecting it).
The first time I saw them, on the tour with Queensryche, they opened with it. I was thrilled. ;D
I think it's definitely time to bring it back. They haven't played it in 17 years.
I've been lucky enough to see a lot of my favorite songs played through the years but Scarred is one of the ones I haven't gotten to see yet. I know they've played it in the last eight years, but I really hope they bring that back for the next tour.
So do I. I wasn't able to attend the tour for both Scarred and Space Dye-Vest.
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I have been lucky enough to see most of my absolute favorite DT songs live. The big one I'm missing is The Glass Prison, so I would be stoked if they played that on this tour (although I'm not expecting it).
The first time I saw them, on the tour with Queensryche, they opened with it. I was thrilled. ;D
I think it's definitely time to bring it back. They haven't played it in 17 years.
I've been lucky enough to see a lot of my favorite songs played through the years but Scarred is one of the ones I haven't gotten to see yet. I know they've played it in the last eight years, but I really hope they bring that back for the next tour.
I was lucky enough to see them on that tour in San Diego and they played both The Glass Prison and Scarred at that show. I would love to see either or both again for sure - and other than Octavarium, I'd really like to see them bring Voices back into the setlist as well!
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I have been lucky enough to see most of my absolute favorite DT songs live. The big one I'm missing is The Glass Prison, so I would be stoked if they played that on this tour (although I'm not expecting it).
The first time I saw them, on the tour with Queensryche, they opened with it. I was thrilled. ;D
I think it's definitely time to bring it back. They haven't played it in 17 years.
I've been lucky enough to see a lot of my favorite songs played through the years but Scarred is one of the ones I haven't gotten to see yet. I know they've played it in the last eight years, but I really hope they bring that back for the next tour.
I was lucky enough to see them on that tour in San Diego and they played both The Glass Prison and Scarred at that show. I would love to see either or both again for sure - and other than Octavarium, I'd really like to see them bring Voices back into the setlist as well!
I'm almost certain I saw them open with The Glass Prison when the headlined Gigantour at Jones Beach.
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I hope DT is not making set list decisions based on what may be played on the "next" tour.
It certainly would make sense to me for them to say "ok, we wanna bust out octavarium when it turns 20".
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I hope DT is not making set list decisions based on what may be played on the "next" tour.
It certainly would make sense to me for them to say "ok, we wanna bust out octavarium when it turns 20".
I do not mean this in a disrespectful way, but if a band wants to play a song, and the fans want to hear it, play the damn song. Who cares what anniversary may be coming up. And at some point, they can't be basing their thinking on the "next" anything.
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My bet:
The Alien
Invisible Monster
The Glass Prision
S2N
Lines in the Sand
Sleeping Giant
Trancending Time
Panic Attack
AVFTTOTW
Metropolis
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I'd go see that!!
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Well, we can dream... ;)
Imagine that on Rock in Rio! :metal
I must admit that setlist is a lot for the band to learn, a lot of songs that they haven’t played with MM.
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My bet:
The Alien
Invisible Monster
The Glass Prision
S2N
Lines in the Sand
Sleeping Giant
Trancending Time
Panic Attack
AVFTTOTW
Metropolis
That’s probably the most realistic looking setlist I’ve seen yet.
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Going through my Awake Era boots this week, and I have to say the Voices needs to be dusted of. Still has not been played in the Mangini Era.
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My bet:
The Alien
Invisible Monster
The Glass Prision
S2N
Lines in the Sand
Sleeping Giant
Trancending Time
Panic Attack
AVFTTOTW
Metropolis
If this were official, I wouldn’t even be surprised. I think they’ll play Awaken the Master because JP will want to advertise his new 8-string guitar. But they could trade that in and out with Sleeping Giant.
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Going through my Awake Era boots this week, and I have to say the Voices needs to be dusted of. Still has not been played in the Mangini Era.
Yes I agree. Voices, The Glass Prison, Blind Faith, Octavarium, The Count of Tuscany, Bridges in The Sky, Trial of Tears, In the Name of God are all on my "wish list".
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My bet:
The Alien
Invisible Monster
The Glass Prision
S2N
Lines in the Sand
Sleeping Giant
Trancending Time
Panic Attack
AVFTTOTW
Metropolis
This is solid, but I think I'd swap Panic Attack. It's already a pretty metal-stacked set and the band might need a breath. I'd actually love to see Jordan take advantage of the Transcending Time outro and go ham, kind of like JP did with the outro of A New Beginning on the tour for The Astonishing. I'd welcome 6 minutes of band play on stage before going into AVFTTOTW.
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Looking at some of these, one thing I would say if we wanna think about realistic setlists is that pacing-wise there's probably gonna be a couple of ballads/soft songs included and I feel like an instrumental is very likely too to give James a break.
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My hope is that they play:
A View From the Top of the World
2 more new ones
A few from Six Degrees
A few from FII
A few from I&W
The latter three records are all enjoying anniversaries, I believe - 20 for Six Degrees, 25 for FII, and 30 for I&W. So it would be nice to get a dose of the new record and a smattering in tribute to those three albums.
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Going through my Awake Era boots this week, and I have to say the Voices needs to be dusted of. Still has not been played in the Mangini Era.
Yes I agree. Voices, The Glass Prison, Blind Faith, Octavarium, The Count of Tuscany, Bridges in The Sky, Trial of Tears, In the Name of God are all on my "wish list".
Those are all songs I would also love to see live...Right now, the one song I really want and they could play is Blind Faith. I'd take Voices out of them all though.
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The Alien
The Glass Prison (please? Can it finally be time?)
Erotomania
Voices
Invisible Monster
Sleeping Giant
Only A Matter of Time
Bridges in the Sky
S2N
Surrender to Reason
Awaken the Master
A View From the Top of the World
Metropolis
Comes out to 127 min. I really appreciate how much DT varies their sets each tour. There isn’t even one song they play every single tour, so it’s always a fun surprise finding out what they decide to play.
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You know I would actually enjoy it if they did not start the show with the new album single, or first song from the new album. Starting off with an older Mangini song then go into The Alien would be neat I think...
...Or doing something like this...
Sleeping Giant
S2N
Paralyzed
Invisible Monster
On The Backs of Angels
The Alien
The Enemy Inside
Answering The Call
Stream of Consciousness
Awaken The Master
Surrender to Reason
At Wit's End
A View From The Top of The World
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You know I would actually enjoy it if they did not start the show with the new album single, or first song from the new album. Starting off with an older Mangini song then go into The Alien would be neat I think.
I agree. TGP into The Alien would be perfect, but I just expect them to open with it.
Mike posted this comment on Facebook: “…It's time to practice this whole show. I asked our lighting engineer to light my feet for the beginning of "A View" so you could see the feet 3 pattern while we play in 23/16. It's not that it is that hard to sit and practice. It's hard to do for real when the live setting is so hard to deal with. I need to see which of the 3 foot "sounds" is on "one."”
So there’s hard confirmation of AVFTTOTW being a part of the show.
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You know I would actually enjoy it if they did not start the show with the new album single, or first song from the new album. Starting off with an older Mangini song then go into The Alien would be neat I think.
I agree. TGP into The Alien would be perfect, but I just expect them to open with it.
Mike posted this comment on Facebook: “…It's time to practice this whole show. I asked our lighting engineer to light my feet for the beginning of "A View" so you could see the feet 3 pattern while we play in 23/16. It's not that it is that hard to sit and practice. It's hard to do for real when the live setting is so hard to deal with. I need to see which of the 3 foot "sounds" is on "one."”
So there’s hard confirmation of AVFTTOTW being a part of the show.
I figured AVFTTOTW was given already, considering the album and tour is based off of the song. :biggrin:
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I think it'd be cool to see them kick off the show with the title track, but that's highly unlikely. We'll probably see that before the encore, as with all the other big epics they've done. "Awaken The Master" could also make a great opener.
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I think it'd be cool to see them kick off the show with the title track, but that's highly unlikely. We'll probably see that before the encore, as with all the other big epics they've done. "Awaken The Master" could also make a great opener.
I was wondering the same exact thought as well. It'd be fascinating a great left-turn for them to do that. I wouldn't mind it at all, and would actually welcome it as it would totally mess with the set predictions. :lol
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Going through my Awake Era boots this week, and I have to say the Voices needs to be dusted of. Still has not been played in the Mangini Era.
Would be nice, but I don't think it will happen because of the tough vocal sections in that song. I doubt JL's gonna wanna go through something similar to what he suffered through performing TtT in full at all the 2017 shows.
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Going through my Awake Era boots this week, and I have to say the Voices needs to be dusted of. Still has not been played in the Mangini Era.
Would be nice, but I don't think it will happen because of the tough vocal sections in that song. I doubt JL's gonna wanna go through something similar to what he suffered through performing TtT in full at all the 2017 shows.
I know this one is also very challenging vocally, but I'm rooting for Innocence Faded to return.
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The Alien
The Glass Prison (please? Can it finally be time?)
Erotomania
Voices
Invisible Monster
Sleeping Giant
Only A Matter of Time
Bridges in the Sky
S2N
Surrender to Reason
Awaken the Master
A View From the Top of the World
Metropolis
Comes out to 127 min. I really appreciate how much DT varies their sets each tour. There isn’t even one song they play every single tour, so it’s always a fun surprise finding out what they decide to play.
I like this setlist
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I think The Glass Prison has a decent chance because Myung mentioned it in that interview last year about difficult songs to play live. It seems like an odd inclusion in that list when the songs listed are ones he's played relatively recently plus the new title track.
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The band just released a video for transcending time. Now that sort of cements that song.
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Don't know if this has been stated before, but you can see the band playing Awaken The Master on that little before tour clip they released last week. Mike makes the drum fill that starts the riff for the solo section and JM is using a capo on his bass. So big chances the song will be played live!! :metal
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TT was the last song I expected off the new album honestly so that’s a surprise! They seem to usually play the songs they create videos like that for. And good catch evilasiojr! I tried to figure out what they were playing haha. If you follow the drum pattern that is definitely the section right before the keyboard solo.
I’ll be bummed if they skip Answering the Call and/or Sleeping Giant. I really wouldn’t mind it if they just played the whole album on this tour since it’s all so good.
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TT was the last song I expected off the new album honestly so that’s a surprise! They seem to usually play the songs they create videos like that for.
They did videos for the whole album. It's on the bluray. 🙂
I'll also be bummed if they leave out "Answering The Call". That's probably my favorite on the new album.
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I know I've said this before, but to me TA, IM, ATM and the epic definitely going to be played live. SG has some chances of appearing too.
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I'd say The Alien, Invisible Monster, Awaken the Master and the title track are practically certain in the set list.
Sleeping Giant won as best song of the year in the Prog Report pool and James is really into the song, it might have chances. After releasing the video so close like this to the tour, I think Transcending Time also got big chances.
Following my logic, only Answering the Call is missing, would really be unfortunate like the guys have said, it is the best song on the album for me. But I don't think they would play like aaaalmost the whole album, missing only one song. Maybe they will play the entire album, or either SG or TT will not appear on the set, or they'll swap a few songs from night to night.
Anyway, can't wait to see how this set list will be like!
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Answering the Call is, I feel, the one that’s least likely to get played. But what do I know.
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Answering the Call is, I feel, the one that’s least likely to get played. But what do I know.
Too bad. My favorite at the moment.
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It's probably my least favorite...which means it's definitely getting played.
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It's probably my least favorite...which means it's definitely getting played.
:rollin
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Looks like Awaken the Master is a for sure. Jordon posted an "Awaken the Practice" video.
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Not too long ago, he posted a Count of Tuscany video as well. I think around the time the tour was originally supposed to start.
Edit: Nevermind. It was around August last year. I think he just likes that song. :D
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I love Answer The Call and will be sad if not played because it will be a fantastic live song.
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I really really hope we get an extended Transcending Time outro. The piano at the end is perfectly primed for that.
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It's probably my least favorite...which means it's definitely getting played.
LOL - probably a middle of the pack song for me. I agree that the only "givens" are The Alien, Invisible Monster, Awaken the Master and A View. If we get some more, great. I don't think it makes sense though to play ever song except Answering The Call. Just play the whole album at that point.
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My guess at the set list... taking into account the 20th anniversary of 6 Degrees...
The Alien
Invisible Monster
S2N
Awaken the Master
Beneath the Surface
Sleeping Giant
Surrender to Reason
Solitary Shell
About to Crash (Reprise)
Losing Time/Grand Finale
A View from the Top of the World
Encore: The Count of Tuscany
Just under 1 hr, 49 minutes...
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I was just listening to The View this morning and two things struck me.
1 - Sleeping Giant seems like it would come across great live, I hope they play it.
2 - I really feel like Awaken the Master is a prelude/companion piece of sorts to the title track. I think they should close the show with those two (encore of course to follow).
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I was just listening to The View this morning and two things struck me.
2 - I really feel like Awaken the Master is a prelude/companion piece of sorts to the title track. I think they should close the show with those two (encore of course to follow).
That’s how I’ve always envisioned it as well. It just feels right for them to close the show together.
I’ll honestly be surprised if they skip SG. It seems to be very well liked already by the fan base and it now has the extra boost in exposure thanks to The Prog Awards. The only reason I could see them skipping Sleeping Giant in favor of TT or AtC is to save the extra 3-5 min from SG to fit in an extra song. Since A View is 20 min, I expect the set to be between 12-14 songs, depending on what else they decide to play.
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I had a dream last night that the show opener was Space-Dye Vest and it was so beautiful.
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I was just listening to The View this morning and two things struck me.
2 - I really feel like Awaken the Master is a prelude/companion piece of sorts to the title track. I think they should close the show with those two (encore of course to follow).
That’s how I’ve always envisioned it as well. It just feels right for them to close the show together.
I’ll honestly be surprised if they skip SG. It seems to be very well liked already by the fan base and it now has the extra boost in exposure thanks to The Prog Awards. The only reason I could see them skipping Sleeping Giant in favor of TT or AtC is to save the extra 3-5 min from SG to fit in an extra song. Since A View is 20 min, I expect the set to be between 12-14 songs, depending on what else they decide to play.
I think they may do alternating setlists, which they did last time they toured with the non “evening with” format. This would allow them to play more music while compensating for the shorter setlist.
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I was just listening to The View this morning and two things struck me.
2 - I really feel like Awaken the Master is a prelude/companion piece of sorts to the title track. I think they should close the show with those two (encore of course to follow).
That’s how I’ve always envisioned it as well. It just feels right for them to close the show together.
I’ll honestly be surprised if they skip SG. It seems to be very well liked already by the fan base and it now has the extra boost in exposure thanks to The Prog Awards. The only reason I could see them skipping Sleeping Giant in favor of TT or AtC is to save the extra 3-5 min from SG to fit in an extra song. Since A View is 20 min, I expect the set to be between 12-14 songs, depending on what else they decide to play.
I think they may do alternating setlists, which they did last time they toured with the non “evening with” format. This would allow them to play more music while compensating for the shorter setlist.
I don't think they'll alternate as much as on the ADTOE tour but I could see them having one or two spots where they switch between two new songs like they did with Paralyzed and Fall Into the Light in 2019/2020.
I also think it's important to take into account that they probably had the setlist pretty much sorted out before the album was released considering the tour was originally meant to start very shortly after release. Therefore, I doubt fan and critical reactions are gonna have much influence over what new stuff they play.
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I was just listening to The View this morning and two things struck me.
2 - I really feel like Awaken the Master is a prelude/companion piece of sorts to the title track. I think they should close the show with those two (encore of course to follow).
That’s how I’ve always envisioned it as well. It just feels right for them to close the show together.
I’ll honestly be surprised if they skip SG. It seems to be very well liked already by the fan base and it now has the extra boost in exposure thanks to The Prog Awards. The only reason I could see them skipping Sleeping Giant in favor of TT or AtC is to save the extra 3-5 min from SG to fit in an extra song. Since A View is 20 min, I expect the set to be between 12-14 songs, depending on what else they decide to play.
I think they may do alternating setlists, which they did last time they toured with the non “evening with” format. This would allow them to play more music while compensating for the shorter setlist.
I don't think they'll alternate as much as on the ADTOE tour but I could see them having one or two spots where they switch between two new songs like they did with Paralyzed and Fall Into the Light in 2019/2020.
I also think it's important to take into account that they probably had the setlist pretty much sorted out before the album was released considering the tour was originally meant to start very shortly after release. Therefore, I doubt fan and critical reactions are gonna have much influence over what new stuff they play.
Invisible Monster and Transcending Time would be good songs to alternate. Both are similar in length, and just like Paralyzed and Fall Into the Light from the last album, they’re secondary singles after the lead single that will most likely be the set opener, so while they will make it to the set, they can be swapped from show to snow.
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Here's my take. 1 hour 59 minutes.
Alien
S2N
Invisible Monster
Bridges in the Sky
Lie
A New Beginning
Surrender to Reason
The Glass Prison
At Wit's End
Sacrified Sons.
Break
Awaken the Master
A View From The Top Of The World
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My set, 135 min
1. The Alien
2. Transcending Time
3. S2N
4. This is the Life
5. Surrender To Reason
6. Erotomania
7. Voices
8. Invisible Monster
9. Awaken the Master
10. I Walk Beside You
11. A New Beginning
12. Lines in the Sand
13. A View From the Top of The World
Encore
14. The Glass Prison
15. Disappear
16. Only a Matter of Time
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I haven't bought the Blue Ray of the new album,but every song of the album has its own video on Spotify for Android.
And i am very much looking forward to see videos popping up on YT with the first live performances of the tour/album!
I really hope the guys will have put some work on adding some extra solos,or maybe extending outros as well.
PS. I read somewherein a recent James interview that this time the band isn't interested in doing a 6DoIT anniversary,
but playing both new and old material that they all love.
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I haven't looked at any of the hints and clues, but here's what I'd put my money on:
1. The Alien
2. Surrender to reason
3. The Glass prison
4. Invisible monster
5. Sleeping giant
6. Erotomania
7. Voices
8. The Silent man
9. Take the time
10. A View from the top of the world
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11. Octavarium
Given that Distance over time, Systematic chaos, Scenes and Black clouds were represented on the last tour, I left out songs from those albums. I also think it's a long shot that songs from The Astonishing will be played. At the end of the day, I also have a feeling that the band is aware that The Glass prison, Octavarium and some Awake tunes are due for a comeback. Given the length of those tracks, there was no space from anything off of Dramatic, Train, Falling and the debut.
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Here's my take. 1 hour 59 minutes.
Alien
S2N
Invisible Monster
Bridges in the Sky
Lie
A New Beginning
Surrender to Reason
The Glass Prison
At Wit's End
Sacrified Sons.
Break
Awaken the Master
A View From The Top Of The World
Great setlist!
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I haven't looked at any of the hints and clues, but here's what I'd put my money on:
1. The Alien
2. Surrender to reason
3. The Glass prison
4. Invisible monster
5. Sleeping giant
6. Erotomania
7. Voices
8. The Silent man
9. Take the time
10. A View from the top of the world
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11. Octavarium
Given that Distance over time, Systematic chaos, Scenes and Black clouds were represented on the last tour, I left out songs from those albums. I also think it's a long shot that songs from The Astonishing will be played. At the end of the day, I also have a feeling that the band is aware that The Glass prison, Octavarium and some Awake tunes are due for a comeback. Given the length of those tracks, there was no space from anything off of Dramatic, Train, Falling and the debut.
No chance of that set list- voices and TTT will never happen in same show.
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Opening act:
Threshold or Pain of Salvation
DT Setlist:
The Alien
A Rite of Passage
Caught In A Web
Invisible Monster
Misunderstood
Peruvian Skies
Awaken the Master
Fall into The Light
Through Her Eyes
Sleeping Giant
Breaking All Illusions
ENCORE
Ytse Jam
Take The Time
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I haven't looked at any of the hints and clues, but here's what I'd put my money on:
1. The Alien
2. Surrender to reason
3. The Glass prison
4. Invisible monster
5. Sleeping giant
6. Erotomania
7. Voices
8. The Silent man
9. Take the time
10. A View from the top of the world
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11. Octavarium
Given that Distance over time, Systematic chaos, Scenes and Black clouds were represented on the last tour, I left out songs from those albums. I also think it's a long shot that songs from The Astonishing will be played. At the end of the day, I also have a feeling that the band is aware that The Glass prison, Octavarium and some Awake tunes are due for a comeback. Given the length of those tracks, there was no space from anything off of Dramatic, Train, Falling and the debut.
No chance of that set list- voices and TTT will never happen in same show.
Give it another thought. All of the songs from Images and words and A Change of seaons happened at the same shows throughout the entire 2017. This time around, the set will be shorter and will give James the time to rest.
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I don’t think I’d want ~50/120 min of the set to be 2 songs. Octavarium will have its time I’m sure, but I don’t think this is the tour for it. To maximize the shorter set time (and 2 hours is still not short when almost every other band I’ve seen headline has played 60-105 min), I don’t think they’d play more than one song above 10 min besides A View. I want that song to be The Glass Prison, but they just don’t seem keen on playing it so I’m curious to find out what they actually play.
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Personally, I hope they don't play Glass Prison. Not a big fan of that one and it would take up a lot of the set. I know it's not a popular opinion. Don't hate me! :lol
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I haven't looked at any of the hints and clues, but here's what I'd put my money on:
1. The Alien
2. Surrender to reason
3. The Glass prison
4. Invisible monster
5. Sleeping giant
6. Erotomania
7. Voices
8. The Silent man
9. Take the time
10. A View from the top of the world
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11. Octavarium
Given that Distance over time, Systematic chaos, Scenes and Black clouds were represented on the last tour, I left out songs from those albums. I also think it's a long shot that songs from The Astonishing will be played. At the end of the day, I also have a feeling that the band is aware that The Glass prison, Octavarium and some Awake tunes are due for a comeback. Given the length of those tracks, there was no space from anything off of Dramatic, Train, Falling and the debut.
No chance of that set list- voices and TTT will never happen in same show.
Give it another thought. All of the songs from Images and words and A Change of seaons happened at the same shows throughout the entire 2017. This time around, the set will be shorter and will give James the time to rest.
Take The Time is absolutely unlikely to be played again on this tour (if ever), since I/W and Met2 material had been featured majorly on the last 2 tours. No Octa either, since Jordan shared clips of him rehearsing The Count on his Insta.
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I don’t think I’d want ~50/120 min of the set to be 2 songs. Octavarium will have its time I’m sure, but I don’t think this is the tour for it. To maximize the shorter set time (and 2 hours is still not short when almost every other band I’ve seen headline has played 60-105 min), I don’t think they’d play more than one song above 10 min besides A View. I want that song to be The Glass Prison, but they just don’t seem keen on playing it so I’m curious to find out what they actually play.
I thought there'd been reports from a member of the crew that most of the songs in the set are gonna be long ones?
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Does anyone know if the Canadian dates are confirmed at this point?
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I don’t think I’d want ~50/120 min of the set to be 2 songs. Octavarium will have its time I’m sure, but I don’t think this is the tour for it. To maximize the shorter set time (and 2 hours is still not short when almost every other band I’ve seen headline has played 60-105 min), I don’t think they’d play more than one song above 10 min besides A View. I want that song to be The Glass Prison, but they just don’t seem keen on playing it so I’m curious to find out what they actually play.
I thought there'd been reports from a member of the crew that most of the songs in the set are gonna be long ones?
I know of no such reports.
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I don’t think I’d want ~50/120 min of the set to be 2 songs. Octavarium will have its time I’m sure, but I don’t think this is the tour for it. To maximize the shorter set time (and 2 hours is still not short when almost every other band I’ve seen headline has played 60-105 min), I don’t think they’d play more than one song above 10 min besides A View. I want that song to be The Glass Prison, but they just don’t seem keen on playing it so I’m curious to find out what they actually play.
I thought there'd been reports from a member of the crew that most of the songs in the set are gonna be long ones?
I know of no such reports.
That's because they don't exist.
Why woukd crew members be discussing this. And who would even interview them?
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Figured I would take a crack at it. I think this is their best chance to do a show exclusively celebrating Mangini's era, and that is what I have come up with! Just shy of two hours, with pleasant transitions in mind:
The Alien
The Enemy Inside
Barstool Warrior
Lost Not Forgotten
Room 137
Invisible Monster
On the Backs of Angels
Moment of Betrayel
Behind the Veil
Surrender to Reason
Awaken the Master
A View From the Top of the World
Breaking All Illusions
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Figured I would take a crack at it. I think this is their best chance to do a show exclusively celebrating Mangini's era, and that is what I have come up with! Just shy of two hours, with pleasant transitions in mind:
The Alien
The Enemy Inside
Barstool Warrior
Lost Not Forgotten
Room 137
Invisible Monster
On the Backs of Angels
Moment of Betrayel
Behind the Veil
Surrender to Reason
Awaken the Master
A View From the Top of the World
Breaking All Illusions
I would love this set list ! Hoping the Toronto show is still a go !
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Haven't paid too much attention to this thread, but I thought I'd give it a stab. My guess is that they'll alternate between an A and B setlist like what they did for the Dramatic tour. So here's my best guess at what they might do:
The Alien
I Walk Beside You
Blind Faith
Invisible Monster / Transcending Time
On the Backs of Angels / Moment of Betrayal
Out of Reach / Disappear
Answering the Call / Sleeping Giant
Only a Matter of Time
Erotomania
Barstool Warrior
Awaken the Master
A View From the Top of the World
~~~encore~~~
In the Name of God
• My gut feeling is that they're going to play every song from the album, but 4 of them will be alternated.
• It's a given that every show will open with The Alien and either the final song or the encore will be the title track.
• Awaken the Master is also a given since JP will want to exhibit his brand new 8-string at every show.
• To give JL a break, they'll include an instrumental and I'm guessing it will be Erotomania since they haven't played it with MM yet.
• I also think they'll finally add another WDaDU track to the setlist and I would say OaMoT has a better chance than TKH; with the instrumental following, it will give JL a chance to catch his breath.
• I also think they'll bring back Barstool Warrior again since I sense JP is super proud of that song.
• And SDoIT will have some representation since it is the 20th anniversary, although I doubt they'll draw any attention to that fact; I'm guessing BF.
• There will be a ballad from an older album since there's not one on the new album, and I'm thinking they might do Out of Reach but maybe alternate it with Disappear, another song that has almost not been aired at all.
• To fill out the setlist, I can see them bring out one more MM-era track that was more popular, so I'm guessing they might alternate between OtBoA and MoB.
• While I don't have any listed, I have a sneaky suspicion that one IaW track will make the setlist - maybe alternating between PMU and Metropolis. If so, then I doubt there will be anything from WDaDU in the set.
• I don't think (hope) they'll include anything from SFaM since they just did that album in full last tour.
• I don't believe any of the other d/t tracks that weren't played last tour will be on this tour, nor will Surrender to Reason despite being the only song from the s/t album that hasn't been played live.
• The fact that all my guesses for alternating are in one block wasn't intentional - it just seemed the best way to have the setlist flow from my perspective.
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Here’s mine:
The Alien
The Glass Prison
Invisible Monster
Sleeping Giant
Erotomania
Surrender To Reason
Blind Faith
Lines In The Sand
Awaken The Master
Surrounded
A View From The Top Of The World
Encore:
At Wit’s End
Total Length: 2 hrs 2 min
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Here’s mine:
The Alien
The Glass Prison
Invisible Monster
Sleeping Giant
Erotomania
Surrender To Reason
Blind Faith
Lines In The Sand
Awaken The Master
Surrounded
A View From The Top Of The World
Encore:
At Wit’s End
Total Length: 2 hrs 2 min
I like this one!
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Here is what I can come up with...
The Alien
Blind Faith
On the Backs of Angels
Answering the Call/Invisible Monster
As I Am
Awaken the Master
Forsaken
I Walk Beside You/Out of Reach
Peruvian Skies
Transcending Time
S2N
A View from the Top of the World
The Count of Tuscany
I know its very basic and the order could be rearranged but I feel this could be realistic
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If they play Disappear I will be delighted.
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Light Fuse and Get Away / Wait for Sleep / The Silent Man / Anna Lee / Take Away My Pain / Disappear / Vacant / The Answer LIes Within / Prophets of War / Repentance / Wither / Far from Heaven / Along for the Ride / 6 songs from Astonishing / Out of Reach / Viper King
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Light Fuse and Get Away / Wait for Sleep / The Silent Man / Anna Lee / Take Away My Pain / Disappear / Vacant / The Answer LIes Within / Prophets of War / Repentance / Wither / Far from Heaven / Along for the Ride / 6 songs from Astonishing / Out of Reach / Viper King
C'mon Rodrigo - you can do better than that!
Winter World of Love (Engelbert Humperdinck intro tape)
The Alien (intro only)
Losing Faythe
You Not Me
Mike Thinks He's Dee Dee Ramone Introducing a Song Song
Build Me Up Break Me Down
The Best Repentance of Thy Father (medley of The Best of Times, Repentance, Honor Thy Father)
In the Presence of Enemies part II
Innocence Faded
Your Majesty
Raw Dog
Viper King (w/ Highway Star excerpt)
Room 137
Where Are You Now?
A Rite of Passage (w/ extended Bebot solo)
2285 Entr'acte
The Answer
Power Down
Descent of the NOMACS
Prophets of War (w/ extended disco section)
Anna Lee
The Answer Lies Within
Through My Words
~~~WDaDU tribute encore~~~
Status Seeker
Light Fuse and Get Away
The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
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Light Fuse and Get Away / Wait for Sleep / The Silent Man / Anna Lee / Take Away My Pain / Disappear / Vacant / The Answer LIes Within / Prophets of War / Repentance / Wither / Far from Heaven / Along for the Ride / 6 songs from Astonishing / Out of Reach / Viper King
C'mon Rodrigo - you can do better than that!
Winter World of Love (Engelbert Humperdinck intro tape)
The Alien (intro only)
Losing Faythe
You Not Me
Mike Thinks He's Dee Dee Ramone Introducing a Song Song
Build Me Up Break Me Down
The Best Repentance of Thy Father (medley of The Best of Times, Repentance, Honor Thy Father)
In the Presence of Enemies part II
Innocence Faded
Your Majesty
Raw Dog
Viper King (w/ Highway Star excerpt)
Room 137
Where Are You Now?
A Rite of Passage (w/ extended Bebot solo)
2285 Entr'acte
The Answer
Power Down
Descent of the NOMACS
Prophets of War (w/ extended disco section)
Anna Lee
The Answer Lies Within
Through My Words
~~~WDaDU tribute encore~~~
Status Seeker
Light Fuse and Get Away
The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
That would be massive! They'd have to play I&W, Awake and Scenes in full on the next tour to recover from that setlist!
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There's actually a lot of great songs in that list that I would love to see live.
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Here is my take. I do think they kinda celebrate SDOIT anniversary like they did Awake anniversary back in 2014-15. There can be more than one song from SDOIT in this tour.
The Alien
Bridges In The Sky
Invisible Monster
Blind Faith/*The Glass Prison
Awaken The Master
Disappear / )*Goodnight Kiss
Lie
Erotomania/ *Drum or *Guitar-Keyboard Solo
About To Crash - Grand Finale / *Solitary Shell
The Count of Tuscany
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Transcending Time
A View
*Alternative song
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Figured I would take a crack at it. I think this is their best chance to do a show exclusively celebrating Mangini's era, and that is what I have come up with! Just shy of two hours, with pleasant transitions in mind:
The Alien
The Enemy Inside
Barstool Warrior
Lost Not Forgotten
Room 137
Invisible Monster
On the Backs of Angels
Moment of Betrayel
Behind the Veil
Surrender to Reason
Awaken the Master
A View From the Top of the World
Breaking All Illusions
Doing an exclusive MM era setlist is a brilliant idea!
And this setlist is spectacular! :hefdaddy
I''ll add it to my Spotify!
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The tour starts today, folks! :metal
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The tour starts today, folks! :metal
Time for some final setlist predictions! :metal :o
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• There will be a ballad from an older album since there's not one on the new album, and I'm thinking they might do Out of Reach but maybe alternate it with Disappear, another song that has almost not been aired at all.
Let me just say that if I get Out Of Reach,and the next city gets Disappear, I'm going to throw a fucking nutty. Nothing would piss me off more. That's worse than getting Paralyzed instead of Fall Into The Light which pissed me off big time.
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Haven't paid too much attention to this thread, but I thought I'd give it a stab. My guess is that they'll alternate between an A and B setlist like what they did for the Dramatic tour. So here's my best guess at what they might do:
The Alien
I Walk Beside You
Blind Faith
Invisible Monster / Transcending Time
On the Backs of Angels / Moment of Betrayal
Out of Reach / Disappear
Answering the Call / Sleeping Giant
Only a Matter of Time
Erotomania
Barstool Warrior
Awaken the Master
A View From the Top of the World
~~~encore~~~
In the Name of God
• My gut feeling is that they're going to play every song from the album, but 4 of them will be alternated.
• It's a given that every show will open with The Alien and either the final song or the encore will be the title track.
• Awaken the Master is also a given since JP will want to exhibit his brand new 8-string at every show.
• To give JL a break, they'll include an instrumental and I'm guessing it will be Erotomania since they haven't played it with MM yet.
• I also think they'll finally add another WDaDU track to the setlist and I would say OaMoT has a better chance than TKH; with the instrumental following, it will give JL a chance to catch his breath.
• I also think they'll bring back Barstool Warrior again since I sense JP is super proud of that song.
• And SDoIT will have some representation since it is the 20th anniversary, although I doubt they'll draw any attention to that fact; I'm guessing BF.
• There will be a ballad from an older album since there's not one on the new album, and I'm thinking they might do Out of Reach but maybe alternate it with Disappear, another song that has almost not been aired at all.
• To fill out the setlist, I can see them bring out one more MM-era track that was more popular, so I'm guessing they might alternate between OtBoA and MoB.
• While I don't have any listed, I have a sneaky suspicion that one IaW track will make the setlist - maybe alternating between PMU and Metropolis. If so, then I doubt there will be anything from WDaDU in the set.
• I don't think (hope) they'll include anything from SFaM since they just did that album in full last tour.
• I don't believe any of the other d/t tracks that weren't played last tour will be on this tour, nor will Surrender to Reason despite being the only song from the s/t album that hasn't been played live.
• The fact that all my guesses for alternating are in one block wasn't intentional - it just seemed the best way to have the setlist flow from my perspective.
That would be sweet.
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The only song I really hope they play is Blind Faith. But any 6DOIT song, I would like to hear. I didn't bring my laptop with me to post the new playlist I made, but oh well.
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Haven't paid too much attention to this thread, but I thought I'd give it a stab. My guess is that they'll alternate between an A and B setlist like what they did for the Dramatic tour. So here's my best guess at what they might do:
The Alien
I Walk Beside You
Blind Faith
Invisible Monster / Transcending Time
On the Backs of Angels / Moment of Betrayal
Out of Reach / Disappear
Answering the Call / Sleeping Giant
Only a Matter of Time
Erotomania
Barstool Warrior
Awaken the Master
A View From the Top of the World
~~~encore~~~
In the Name of God
• My gut feeling is that they're going to play every song from the album, but 4 of them will be alternated.
• It's a given that every show will open with The Alien and either the final song or the encore will be the title track.
• Awaken the Master is also a given since JP will want to exhibit his brand new 8-string at every show.
• To give JL a break, they'll include an instrumental and I'm guessing it will be Erotomania since they haven't played it with MM yet.
• I also think they'll finally add another WDaDU track to the setlist and I would say OaMoT has a better chance than TKH; with the instrumental following, it will give JL a chance to catch his breath.
• I also think they'll bring back Barstool Warrior again since I sense JP is super proud of that song.
• And SDoIT will have some representation since it is the 20th anniversary, although I doubt they'll draw any attention to that fact; I'm guessing BF.
• There will be a ballad from an older album since there's not one on the new album, and I'm thinking they might do Out of Reach but maybe alternate it with Disappear, another song that has almost not been aired at all.
• To fill out the setlist, I can see them bring out one more MM-era track that was more popular, so I'm guessing they might alternate between OtBoA and MoB.
• While I don't have any listed, I have a sneaky suspicion that one IaW track will make the setlist - maybe alternating between PMU and Metropolis. If so, then I doubt there will be anything from WDaDU in the set.
• I don't think (hope) they'll include anything from SFaM since they just did that album in full last tour.
• I don't believe any of the other d/t tracks that weren't played last tour will be on this tour, nor will Surrender to Reason despite being the only song from the s/t album that hasn't been played live.
• The fact that all my guesses for alternating are in one block wasn't intentional - it just seemed the best way to have the setlist flow from my perspective.
Great set-list Scotty! I'd be absolutely ecstatic if we get Blind Faith, Disappear and In the Name of God! For some reason, I have a gut feeling they're going to play The Enemy Inside as well.
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Light Fuse and Get Away / Wait for Sleep / The Silent Man / Anna Lee / Take Away My Pain / Disappear / Vacant / The Answer LIes Within / Prophets of War / Repentance / Wither / Far from Heaven / Along for the Ride / 6 songs from Astonishing / Out of Reach / Viper King
LOL
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Here's my final prediction. Since they included a shot of the big bug on Jordan's keyboard in the rehearsal teaser, I have a feeling there'll be something from Systematic Chaos too, but I couldn't decide what would fit, so didn't include any from it.
1. The Alien
2. Answering The Call
3. 6:00
4. Sleeping Giant
5. The Root Of All Evil
6. Invisible Monster
7. Awaken The Master
8. Erotomania
9. About To Crash
10. Through My Words/Fatal Tragedy
11. Barstool Warrior
12. A View From The Top Of The World
encore:
13. Under A Glass Moon (or something else from I&W)
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John Petrucci’s latest Instagram post shows him posing backstage with the eight string, which all but confirms Awaken the Master.
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I made two variations a while back:
1. The Alien
2. Answering the Call
3. Constant Motion
4. Transcending Time
5. Goodnight Kiss
6. Solitary Shell
7. Invisible Monster
8. I Walk Beside You
9. Sleeping Giant
10. Awaken the Master
11. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
12. A View From the Top of the World
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13. Bridges In the Sky
14. Learning to Live
1. The Alien
2. Answering the Call / Transcending Time (rotation)
3. Constant Motion
4. Burning My Soul
5. Invisible Monster
6. Sleeping Giant
7. Blind Faith
8. I Walk Beside You
9. Surrounded
10. Awaken the Master
11. A View From The Top Of The World
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12. The Count of Tuscany
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I think I would be devastated if they rotated Disappear with another song. Disappear is a top 5 DT track for me, and I always seem to be in cities that get the song I want less of the two. Only A Matter of Time would be an awesome addition as it's one of the few WDADU I've never seen live yet.
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1. The Alien
2. Answering the Call
3. Constant Motion
4. Transcending Time
5. Goodnight Kiss
6. Solitary Shell
7. Invisible Monster
8. I Walk Beside You
9. Sleeping Giant
10. Awaken the Master
11. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
12. A View From the Top of the World
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13. Bridges In the Sky
14. Learning to Live
I loooooooooove this setlist
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Okay, guys. If anyone wants to follow along. I will be posting the set-list in real time in the Mesa thread in the concert section.
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Okay, guys. If anyone wants to follow along. I will be posting the set-list in real time in the Mesa thread in the concert section.
:hefdaddy
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Okay, guys. If anyone wants to follow along. I will be posting the set-list in real time in the Mesa thread in the concert section.
Make sure to enjoy the show too!
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Okay, guys. If anyone wants to follow along. I will be posting the set-list in real time in the Mesa thread in the concert section.
Make sure to enjoy the show too!
It's why I'll be posting after the song is done. :biggrin:
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Okay, guys. If anyone wants to follow along. I will be posting the set-list in real time in the Mesa thread in the concert section.
Make sure to enjoy the show too!
It's why I'll be posting after the song is done. :biggrin:
Word! Appreciated! I'll be checking that setlist later!
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My guess at the set list... taking into account the 20th anniversary of 6 Degrees...
The Alien
Invisible Monster
S2N
Awaken the Master
Beneath the Surface
Sleeping Giant
Surrender to Reason
Solitary Shell
About to Crash (Reprise)
Losing Time/Grand Finale
A View from the Top of the World
Encore: The Count of Tuscany
Just under 1 hr, 49 minutes...
You got pretty close to this on the current leg. :biggrin:
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I hope they'll change it for the future US dates.
Need some Voices, The Killing Hand, Lines in the Sand and Disappear.
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I hope they'll change it for the future US dates.
Need some Voices, The Killing Hand, Lines in the Sand and Disappear.
Those songs need to come back at some point for sure! There's lots of great tracks they haven't played in a long, long time.
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I hope they'll change it for the future US dates.
Need some Voices, The Killing Hand, Lines in the Sand and Disappear.
It's always possible, but I wouldn't bank on it. They already switched out a significant chunk of the setlist (more than I would've expected), so I'm pretty sure they'll want to play that set of songs for more than just one leg of the tour. Keep in mind they're already (probably) past the halfway point of the whole tour, so it wouldn't make sense for them to switch out even more of the songs for the final one or two legs they have yet to do.
Besides that, I'm pretty sure you can write off Voices and The Killing Hand completely, given the stratospheric vocals both songs have, and the fact that medleys are out of the question, and it seems they even are against performing abridged versions of songs. It sucks because I love both songs, but I think it's just reality at this point.
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I hope they'll change it for the future US dates.
Need some Voices, The Killing Hand, Lines in the Sand and Disappear.
Those songs need to come back at some point for sure! There's lots of great tracks they haven't played in a long, long time.
I'd be shocked if we ever see Voices and TKH again. LITS? Fine...as long as JP doesn't try to emulate the guy who did the BGVOX on the album. Disappear can't really come BACK given that it was only ever played twice. It'd be a pee break song for me.
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I hope they'll change it for the future US dates.
Need some Voices, The Killing Hand, Lines in the Sand and Disappear.
It's always possible, but I wouldn't bank on it. They already switched out a significant chunk of the setlist (more than I would've expected), so I'm pretty sure they'll want to play that set of songs for more than just one leg of the tour. Keep in mind they're already (probably) past the halfway point of the whole tour, so it wouldn't make sense for them to switch out even more of the songs for the final one or two legs they have yet to do.
Besides that, I'm pretty sure you can write off Voices and The Killing Hand completely, given the stratospheric vocals both songs have, and the fact that medleys are out of the question, and it seems they even are against performing abridged versions of songs. It sucks because I love both songs, but I think it's just reality at this point.
You are probably right but we see some vocal melodies changes on Caught In A Web and 6:00... So the songs I mentioned may see the stage light again with some changes. Hopefully.
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Is it confirmed there are future US dates?
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My perfect setlist:
The Mirror
The Glass Prison
This Dying Soul
The Root of All Evil
Intermission
Repentance
The Shattered Fortress
Honor Thy Father
The Best of Times
Encore: A Change of Seasons
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My perfect setlist:
The Mirror
The Glass Prison
This Dying Soul
The Root of All Evil
Intermission
Repentance
The Shattered Fortress
Honor Thy Father
The Best of Times
Encore: A Change of Seasons
Even though I admit that your first half is definitely the best part of 12SS, and that it takes a downturn in quality for the last two parts…I would still be really disappointed if I was attending a show, and they started it IN ORDER and then not finish it.
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My perfect setlist:
The Mirror
The Glass Prison
This Dying Soul
The Root of All Evil
Intermission
Repentance
The Shattered Fortress
Honor Thy Father
The Best of Times
Encore: A Change of Seasons
That's a setlist I'd have to be drinking for.
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I just now realized that I didn’t read that carefully enough and the final two parts are after the intermission. Sorry.
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I just now realized that I didn’t read that carefully enough and the final two parts are after the intermission. Sorry.
No worries, it was a joke post. They're all songs that are very personal to MP. :lol
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My perfect setlist:
The Mirror
The Glass Prison
This Dying Soul
The Root of All Evil
Intermission
Repentance
The Shattered Fortress
Honor Thy Father
The Best of Times
Encore: A Change of Seasons
Mike, is that you???
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You'd need Never Enough as a second encore... :lol
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I'd love to see some more obscure shorter songs in their future setlist: like Innocence Faded, Disappear and I Walk Beside You. Eve as well. But the chances are slim, I guess.
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Disappear only being played twice is unbelievable. Such an incredible song that is just forgotten by the band
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And I believe James has a special connection to Disappear as well, as he wrote very personal lyrics for the song. Maybe they are too confronting? I think he never really explained whom the song is about or has he?
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I'd love to see some more obscure shorter songs in their future setlist: like Innocence Faded, Disappear and I Walk Beside You. Eve as well. But the chances are slim, I guess.
I agree, there'a a lot of material out there that's been neglected live. I'd love to see Burning My Soul with Hell's Kitchen, Hollow Years (in case you couldn't tell I'm a big FII fan), or even Wither. Hell I'd kill to see Anna Lee. They could even bring back the Bombay Vindaloo jam from the early years. I love all of your picks but I'm not sure if James could pull off Innocence Faded now. Although I would have said the same about Caught in a Web a month ago so anything's possible.
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And I believe James has a special connection to Disappear as well, as he wrote very personal lyrics for the song. Maybe they are too confronting? I think he never really explained whom the song is about or has he?
He has. He said just saw a random couple in public once and thought about what it would be for o e if the them to lose the other. And he decides to write the lyrics. From what he said it wasn’t anything personal. Just a fictional story.
I doubt we’ll ever see that song live. It’s a good song but boring live.
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Check out James singing Innocence Faded recently on Cameo. He slows it down and gives himself more breathing room, but check out how great he sounds even with the high stuff. I would love the band to make a new arrangement of the song if it allows James to sing it like this:
https://youtu.be/QX0k8oRuiOY
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And I believe James has a special connection to Disappear as well, as he wrote very personal lyrics for the song. Maybe they are too confronting? I think he never really explained whom the song is about or has he?
He has. He said just saw a random couple in public once and thought about what it would be for o e if the them to lose the other. And he decides to write the lyrics. From what he said it wasn’t anything personal. Just a fictional story.
Ah yes, I remember that story now. Totally forgot.
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Check out James singing Innocence Faded recently on Cameo. He slows it down and gives himself more breathing room, but check out how great he sounds even with the high stuff. I would love the band to make a new arrangement of the song if it allows James to sing it like this:
https://youtu.be/QX0k8oRuiOY
Sounds great!
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Given James' condition, my realistic setlist would be:
The Root Of All Evil
Answering The Call
Behind The Veil
Stream Of Consciousness / Vacant
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Sacrificed Sons
Outcry
Hell's Kitchen
Room 137
The Great Debate
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Encore: Metropolis Part 1