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Title: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: WildRanger on February 18, 2020, 10:12:34 AM
Which IM album do you prefer?

I prefer SIT.


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Post by: EPICVIEW on February 18, 2020, 10:14:45 AM
POM
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Post by: Zook on February 18, 2020, 10:17:03 AM
Somewhere in Time
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Post by: cramx3 on February 18, 2020, 10:18:07 AM
SiT, my second favorite IM album behind AMoLaD
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Post by: Grappler on February 18, 2020, 10:21:39 AM
Somewhere in Time

Aside from Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner, every other song on that record kicks ass.  Especially Deja Vu.   :metal
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Post by: bosk1 on February 18, 2020, 10:26:28 AM
Depends on my mood.  These are my two favorite albums from the classic era, and are my #2 and #3 Maiden albums overall.  They are both really good.  Today, I'll go with SiT. 
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Post by: Zydar on February 18, 2020, 10:45:10 AM
SiT, my second favorite IM album behind Seventh Son.

Fix'd for me.
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Post by: ChuckSteak on February 18, 2020, 10:45:35 AM
Piece of Mind.
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Post by: The Walrus on February 18, 2020, 10:47:17 AM
Despite Piece of Mind having two of Maiden's very worst, most annoying songs ever - Quest for Fire and Sun and Steel - its highs are still way higher than Somewhere In Time's, for my ears.
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Post by: bosk1 on February 18, 2020, 10:56:27 AM
Quest for Fire is top 10, but I'm with you on Sun and Steel.
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Post by: pg1067 on February 18, 2020, 10:57:20 AM
Neither album has any bad songs (I LOVE Sun and Steel and like Quest for Fire), but Somewhere in Time doesn't have anything on the level of the best songs on Piece of Mind.  If I were to rank the songs on both albums, I suspect 4 of the top 5 would be POM songs (#1 being To Tame a Land).
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Post by: MirrorMask on February 18, 2020, 11:03:44 AM
Piece of Mind without even have to think about it. Masterpiece of an album, Bruce in god-mode and chock full of classics including the songs that introduced me to Maiden and therefore Bruce and therefore heavy metal in general, Revelations.

I assume me and Bruce are the only two persons that never really got into Somewhere in Time  :lol
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Post by: Zydar on February 18, 2020, 11:20:04 AM
The only annoying song on Piece Of Mind is Die With Your Boots On. Never could stand that one :lol

Sun And Steel and Quest For Fire are great though.
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Post by: TAC on February 18, 2020, 11:21:25 AM
I remember when Somewhere In Time came out, I loved it. I was so disappointed with Powerslave, and I literally thought Somewhere In Time was their best album to date. Unfortunately for me, it hasn't aged as well as I had hoped.

Going with the timeless Piece Of Mind.
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Post by: The Walrus on February 18, 2020, 11:22:19 AM
How can you be disappointed with Powerslave? WTF, TAC?
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Post by: TAC on February 18, 2020, 11:24:33 AM
How can you be disappointed with Powerslave? WTF, TAC?

I don't even know where to start.

Suffice to say it has aged pretty well, but for a 16 y/o TAC, I thought it was quite weak, formulaic, and convoluted.
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Post by: bosk1 on February 18, 2020, 11:26:21 AM
I know Bruce had his earlier comment about keyboards having no place in metal.  And then not long after, Maiden would use them quite liberally on SiT.  I remember feeling during this period in time that most hard rock/heavy metal bands that were trying to use keyboards weren't doing a very good job.  A lot of bands were just using them mostly to add cheesy synth-sounds that often seemed designed to create mainstream appeal with pop fans, or so it sounded.  As a fan of both keyboard driven pop and new wave and guitar driven hard rock, I found myself wishing that more bands could do a better job of integrating the two rather than the direction most bands seemed to be taking (which is one of the reasons DT's sound was so appealing to me when I discovered them in '92).  I think Maiden really did it right with their use of keys on SiT.  Often, it was to blend with the guitars and/or create background atmosphere rather than to add a pop synth sound.  I, for one, really like this fuller Maiden sound with other things going on behind or underneath the guitars to add another layer.  It suits their music well and is something that they started doing even better with in the reunion era.
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Post by: bosk1 on February 18, 2020, 11:27:58 AM
How can you be disappointed with Powerslave? WTF, TAC?

I don't even know where to start.

Suffice to say it has aged pretty well, but for a 16 y/o TAC, I thought it was quite weak, formulaic, and convoluted.

Exactly.  It's kind of their Images & Words, in terms of having half an album's worth of some of their all-time best material, a middle portion that is some of the most forgettable stuff they have ever done. 
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Post by: The Walrus on February 18, 2020, 11:30:01 AM
I mean, Powerslave has 3 whatever tracks, but the rest? Aces High, 2 Minutes, Flash of the Blade (I love this song, but I recognize others don't), Rime, and the title track? Those 5 are among my all-time favorite Maiden songs!
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Post by: TAC on February 18, 2020, 11:33:54 AM
I know Bruce had his earlier comment about keyboards having no place in metal.  And then not long after, Maiden would use them quite liberally on SiT.  I remember feeling during this period in time that most hard rock/heavy metal bands that were trying to use keyboards weren't doing a very good job.  A lot of bands were just using them mostly to add cheesy synth-sounds that often seemed designed to create mainstream appeal with pop fans, or so it sounded.  As a fan of both keyboard driven pop and new wave and guitar driven hard rock, I found myself wishing that more bands could do a better job of integrating the two rather than the direction most bands seemed to be taking (which is one of the reasons DT's sound was so appealing to me when I discovered them in '92).  I think Maiden really did it right with their use of keys on SiT.  Often, it was to blend with the guitars and/or create background atmosphere rather than to add a pop synth sound.  I, for one, really like this fuller Maiden sound with other things going on behind or underneath the guitars to add another layer.  It suits their music well and is something that they started doing even better with in the reunion era.


They thought so much of it, that for the Seventh Son promotion, they actually included Michael Kenney in promotional pics of the band.




How can you be disappointed with Powerslave? WTF, TAC?

I don't even know where to start.

Suffice to say it has aged pretty well, but for a 16 y/o TAC, I thought it was quite weak, formulaic, and convoluted.

Exactly.  It's kind of their Images & Words, in terms of having half an album's worth of some of their all-time best material, a middle portion that is some of the most forgettable stuff they have ever done. 

The Number Of The Beast is their Images And Words.


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Post by: bosk1 on February 18, 2020, 11:36:18 AM
I mean, Powerslave has 3 whatever tracks, but the rest? Aces High, 2 Minutes, Flash of the Blade (I love this song, but I recognize others don't), Rime, and the title track? Those 5 are among my all-time favorite Maiden songs!
That's basically what I said.  Those 4 classic songs being some of their best ever.  And you seem to recognize that the 5th that you added to the list would not be near most other people's lists. 

How can you be disappointed with Powerslave? WTF, TAC?

I don't even know where to start.

Suffice to say it has aged pretty well, but for a 16 y/o TAC, I thought it was quite weak, formulaic, and convoluted.

Exactly.  It's kind of their Images & Words, in terms of having half an album's worth of some of their all-time best material, a middle portion that is some of the most forgettable stuff they have ever done. 

The Number Of The Beast is their Images And Words.

Okay, fair enough.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: ProfessorPeart on February 18, 2020, 11:38:26 AM
Somewhere In Time is my favorite Maiden album, so this was easy.
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Post by: Stadler on February 18, 2020, 12:37:57 PM
Despite Piece of Mind having two of Maiden's very worst, most annoying songs ever - Quest for Fire and Sun and Steel - its highs are still way higher than Somewhere In Time's, for my ears.

This is why I love you.  In a purely 80's, bro- kind of way.   That's exactly what I would have written (same songs, too).
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Post by: Stadler on February 18, 2020, 12:41:21 PM
How can you be disappointed with Powerslave? WTF, TAC?

I don't even know where to start.

Suffice to say it has aged pretty well, but for a 16 y/o TAC, I thought it was quite weak, formulaic, and convoluted.

Y'ever watch NCIS, when Leroy Jethro Gibbs would slap Tony DiNozzo on the back of the head?   52 year old Stadler would liek to do that to 16 year old TAC.  :)   

I love Powerslave - I sometimes call it my favorite Maiden album, but that's like picking my favorite tooth - but the more I think of it, there are not a lot of weak spots in that Killers>>>Seventh run.   
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Post by: Peter Mc on February 18, 2020, 12:59:45 PM
I find SIT to be the weakest of the classic Maiden albums so POM wins this by some distance for me.  When I say classic albums, I mean albums made with the classic lineup so NPFTD and FOTD don’t count and neither do the pre-Dickinson ones.
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Post by: wolfking on February 18, 2020, 01:55:54 PM
SIT for me, easily.  I never had a problem with Quest or Sun, I had like Zydar more of a problem with Boots.  The album has classics in Eagles, Revelations, Still Life and the underrated To Tame A Land but it could be my least listened to of the golden era.

When I first heard SIT, the sound and whole atmosphere hooked me right away.  I simply love the synths from that very first E chord of the title track.  I don't think there is anything bad on this one.  I always thought Heaven Can Wait was the weakest, mainly from the chorus, but that's aged really well.  The title track blisters and the solo section of both is insane.  Wasted Years is an 80's melodic rock gem.

Sea of Madness is one of the bands most underrated and that riff is heavy as fuck.  Steve souonds massive here and the whole song sounds thick and full, very powerful.  Special mention to Adrian's little technique of tapping the bent note in the outro, and then when he taps and slides on a bent D note gives me chills.

Long Distance Runner would be a top 20 Maiden song, probably even top 10.  If you ask me, I think this quite possibly has the best guitar harmonies the band has ever done.  The lyrics are silly I admit but musically it's brilliant.  Deja-Vu I never had a problem with, cool lyrics and I like Bruce's delivery on this one.  The harmonies in the middle are cool and well written from Dave. 

Stranger is another underrated one.  80's all over which I love.  The riff is awkward but it works.  Adrian again shines with a brilliantly constructed well written solo.  Every note here has a place.  The closer is a classic.  Musically it was beyond anything the band had done at the time.  My only criticism is the amount of lyrics Bruce has to sing at times, but it's not a big issue really.  Epic closer, great song, brilliant album.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: The Walrus on February 18, 2020, 02:34:53 PM
Despite Piece of Mind having two of Maiden's very worst, most annoying songs ever - Quest for Fire and Sun and Steel - its highs are still way higher than Somewhere In Time's, for my ears.

This is why I love you.  In a purely 80's, bro- kind of way.   That's exactly what I would have written (same songs, too).

My brother from another mother. :hifive:
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Post by: pg1067 on February 18, 2020, 07:24:04 PM
I never had a problem with the keys in SIT and SSOASS.

Ranking the songs on POM and SIT:

--To Tame a Land
--Where Eagles Dare
--The Trooper
--Revelations
xxAlexander the Great
xxSea of Madness
--Sun and Steel
--Flight of Icarus
xxDeja Vu
xxThe Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner
--Quest for Fire
xxStranger in a Strange Land
xxCaught Somewhere in Time
--Die with Your Boots On
xxWasted Years
--Still Life
xxHeaven Can Wait


As far as Powerslave, Aces High and Powerslave are at the top.  Rime and Two Minutes and The Duelists are a notch down.  Flash and Losfer Words are another notch down.  And Village is WAY, WAY, WAY down -- probably the only song on Number through SIT that I consider to be "bad."
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: TAC on February 18, 2020, 07:32:23 PM
Hey PG, even though at the time I thought the album was great, I never liked Heaven Can Wait. I hated it even more that they insisted on playing it on every tour right after.

That said, while my overall opinion of the album has dropped, Heaven Can Wait might be my best aged song. I actually love it now.

Caught Somewhere In Time is a Top 5, maybe Top 3, Iron Maiden track for me.
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Post by: NoseofNicko on February 18, 2020, 07:34:52 PM
Long Distance Runner would be a top 20 Maiden song, probably even top 10.  If you ask me, I think this quite possibly has the best guitar harmonies the band has ever done.  The lyrics are silly I admit but musically it's brilliant.

Yes!!! By far their most underrated song imo.

Voted SiT. My favorite Maiden album and probably in my top 5 favorite albums of any band.
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Post by: jammindude on February 18, 2020, 07:39:06 PM
It still surprises me how much love SiT gets these days.   There was a LOT of flack in the US when it came out. 

The synths eventually grew on me...it just seemed weird on Maiden.  But I still far prefer SSOASS.   But SiT in particular is turning point in my mind not just because of the addition of synths, but because this seems like the beginning of the "let's sing a single line 4-8 times for the chorus" era of the band...which would culminate in the "let's sing a single line 80 times for the chorus" era of the band (aka - VXI). 
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Post by: pg1067 on February 18, 2020, 07:50:31 PM
Hey PG, even though at the time I thought the album was great, I never liked Heaven Can Wait. I hated it even more that they insisted on playing it on every tour right after.

That said, while my overall opinion of the album has dropped, Heaven Can Wait might be my best aged song. I actually love it now.

Caught Somewhere In Time is a Top 5, maybe Top 3, Iron Maiden track for me.

I don't know if they did this everywhere, but our local radio station had a contest and they had about 25 winners get up on stage during HCW to sing the "whoa-oa-oa" part.

Also, this:

this seems like the beginning of the "let's sing a single line 4-8 times for the chorus" era of the band. 

The actual start of that was Back in the Village.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: TAC on February 18, 2020, 07:52:36 PM
Hey PG, even though at the time I thought the album was great, I never liked Heaven Can Wait. I hated it even more that they insisted on playing it on every tour right after.

That said, while my overall opinion of the album has dropped, Heaven Can Wait might be my best aged song. I actually love it now.

Caught Somewhere In Time is a Top 5, maybe Top 3, Iron Maiden track for me.

I don't know if they did this everywhere, but our local radio station had a contest and they had about 25 winners get up on stage during HCW to sing the "whoa-oa-oa" part.


Yeah, same here, and as much as I didn't like the song back then, I always thought that was the coolest thing. Our friend Cram got to do that, I believe.
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Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 18, 2020, 10:43:55 PM
Somewhere In Time is my favorite Maiden album, so this was easy.
Ditto. Nevermind the killer artwork - best Maiden cover art EVER!
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Post by: Elite on February 19, 2020, 01:19:23 AM
Kind of have to go with SiT here.
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Post by: WildRanger on February 19, 2020, 02:37:53 AM
And Village is WAY, WAY, WAY down -- probably the only song on Number through SIT that I consider to be "bad."

You think Village is worse than Gangland and Invaders?

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Post by: MirrorMask on February 19, 2020, 02:48:51 AM
Invaders > Village > Gangland
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Post by: Kwyjibo on February 19, 2020, 03:58:20 AM
You're all crazy and you know it  ;D

Piece Of Mind is an alltime classic of heavy metal music in general, while Somewhere In Time is "just" a very good Iron Maiden record.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 19, 2020, 04:05:06 AM
Invaders > Village > Gangland
The verse in Invaders is awesome.  :metal
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Post by: Polarbear on February 19, 2020, 04:10:36 AM
Somewhere in Time is the second best of the classic era for me, while Piece of Mind is in last place.

So SiT easily.
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Post by: Cruithne on February 19, 2020, 08:47:17 AM
In terms of the songs it's too close to call - both have several great songs alongside a few clunkers - but I give it to Somewhere In Time on the basis of the production and Stranger In A Strange Land being one of my top few Maiden songs.

I never much liked the way Piece Of Mind sounds - it's a combination of tempos being too slow on several songs and the general sound of the record being a bit muddy/muffled.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 19, 2020, 08:59:30 AM
Invaders > Village > Gangland

+1
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Post by: The Walrus on February 19, 2020, 09:33:55 AM
I never much liked the way Piece Of Mind sounds - it's a combination of tempos being too slow on several songs and the general sound of the record being a bit muddy/muffled.

There is some truth to this. I love Flight of Icarus but the production makes the band sound a little weak, for such an epic song, and 'muffled' is definitely one word for it. Feels like I really have to crank the songs on this record to feel some 'oomph' in it. Bruce however cuts right through the mud I think, because he was nearly at the peak of his singing on this record IMO, and he really hits the high notes.
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Post by: pg1067 on February 19, 2020, 11:00:23 AM
And Village is WAY, WAY, WAY down -- probably the only song on Number through SIT that I consider to be "bad."

You think Village is worse than Gangland and Invaders?

Invaders is a great song (in particular, Harris's bass work during the verses is unbelievable), and I don't understand all the hate that Gangland gets.  It's a good (but not great) song.  So yeah, for me, Invaders >>> Gangland >>>>>>>>>> Back in the Village.  And, not that you asked, but:  Gangland > Children of the Damned.


Piece Of Mind is an alltime classic of heavy metal music in general, while Somewhere In Time is "just" a very good Iron Maiden record.

Yup.
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Post by: bosk1 on February 19, 2020, 11:04:47 AM
Invaders is a great song (in particular, Harris's bass work during the verses is unbelievable), and I don't understand all the hate that Gangland gets.  It's a good (but not great) song.  So yeah, for me, Invaders >>> Gangland >>>>>>>>>> Back in the Village.

Yeah, same here.  I'm so used to you being SO wrong on music-related stuff that I'm sometimes surprised when you get things SO right.  :biggrin:

And, not that you asked, but:  Gangland > Children of the Damned.

OK, wait, now just what??  ??? :censored  :eek  >:(
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: pg1067 on February 19, 2020, 12:04:39 PM
I'm so used to you being SO wrong on music-related stuff that I'm sometimes surprised when you get things SO right.  :biggrin:


 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: jjrock88 on February 19, 2020, 01:51:28 PM
It’s close between the two albums but I’ll go with Somewhere in Time, just enjoy the atmosphere on this one.  This is also one of my favourite album covers ever; very cool Blade Runner theme
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: WildRanger on February 19, 2020, 02:43:32 PM
And, not that you asked, but:  Gangland > Children of the Damned.


Wow, that's quite controversial.

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Post by: Lowdz on February 19, 2020, 03:14:45 PM
Piece of Mind. I really didn’t like SiT. 3-4 decent songs but a real drop off from what came before.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on February 19, 2020, 10:52:56 PM
Not even close... Piece of Mind.....
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Post by: Zydar on February 20, 2020, 12:08:14 AM
I never much liked the way Piece Of Mind sounds - it's a combination of tempos being too slow on several songs and the general sound of the record being a bit muddy/muffled.

There is some truth to this. I love Flight of Icarus but the production makes the band sound a little weak, for such an epic song, and 'muffled' is definitely one word for it. Feels like I really have to crank the songs on this record to feel some 'oomph' in it. Bruce however cuts right through the mud I think, because he was nearly at the peak of his singing on this record IMO, and he really hits the high notes.

I remember Steve saying something like he didn't like the slow tempo of Flight Of Icarus on the album. They play it faster live, and he likes it much better that way.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: Kwyjibo on February 20, 2020, 02:07:15 AM
Talking of sound: Imo Piece Of Mind sounds miles better than Somewhere In Time. The guitar sound on SiT isn't good, especially the lead guitars have an awful reverb that sounded dated even back then. And I think it lacks some warmth, for lack of a better word, that Piece has, even though it might be a bit muddy sometimes.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: WildRanger on February 20, 2020, 02:13:25 AM
I think SIT has better and more aggressive guitar riffs than POM and on the other hand it's more melodic.




Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: soupytwist on February 20, 2020, 02:52:48 AM
Number of the Beast to Seventh Son is an amazing run of albums.  If it had to rank those albums it would be.

- SiT.
- Powerslave.
- Seventh.
- Mind.
- Beast.

So SiT for me in this poll.   But all those albums are great, with barely a rizza paper between them.
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Post by: max_security on February 20, 2020, 02:59:47 AM
POM by miles. Also , POM was mastered with a new ( at the time ) dolby noise reduction , it does not sound muddy over FM or vinal / cassette ( it does sound thick which was the intent ). And SLOW Flight is better ( sorry Steve ).
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: Kwyjibo on February 20, 2020, 03:02:13 AM
Yeah, the faster Flight version live sounds rushed. The slower studio version is just right imo.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: Mladen on February 20, 2020, 03:55:39 AM
I love Piece of mind, but Quest for fire and Die with your boots on are among their lesser interesting songs of the classic era. Somewhere in time, on the other hand, is perfect. Easy choice for me.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: WardySI on February 20, 2020, 07:09:14 AM
Who is this WildrRanger that dares ask such a question and those that have discredited Sun And Steel? :lol

Okay so it's like choosing a favorite child and reluctantly chose SIT for nothing more than nostalgic reasons, SIT AND POM are two of the most badass records of their generation/s :metal

Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: Stadler on February 20, 2020, 08:11:28 AM

As far as Powerslave, Aces High and Powerslave are at the top.  Rime and Two Minutes and The Duelists are a notch down.  Flash and Losfer Words are another notch down.  And Village is WAY, WAY, WAY down -- probably the only song on Number through SIT that I consider to be "bad."

That last does not compute for me.  I get it, opinions, but for me, BITV is a top ten Maiden song, easily.  I admit to being biased on SiT, because when I got the album, I put it on a tape and had to cut something so cut TLOTLDR, and so I've maybe heard it a quarter of the times I've listened to the album - so maybe I need to revisit it - but it pales in comparison to BITV. 
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: pg1067 on February 20, 2020, 10:17:38 AM

As far as Powerslave, Aces High and Powerslave are at the top.  Rime and Two Minutes and The Duelists are a notch down.  Flash and Losfer Words are another notch down.  And Village is WAY, WAY, WAY down -- probably the only song on Number through SIT that I consider to be "bad."

That last does not compute for me.  I get it, opinions, but for me, BITV is a top ten Maiden song, easily.  I admit to being biased on SiT, because when I got the album, I put it on a tape and had to cut something so cut TLOTLDR, and so I've maybe heard it a quarter of the times I've listened to the album - so maybe I need to revisit it - but it pales in comparison to BITV.

We've had the discussion about BITV before, and I know you like it a lot.  There's just nothing about it that appeals to me, and the chorus is annoying.  As for Loneliness, I really don't often listen to SIT, so I can't offer much more than a general statement that I think it's a really good song, but the pacing of the verses is really appealing to me.


Also, not only am I quite surprised that SIT is winning this thing, I'm astounded that it's winning so convincingly.


Number of the Beast to Seventh Son is an amazing run of albums.  If it had to rank those albums it would be.

- SiT.
- Powerslave.
- Seventh.
- Mind.
- Beast.

So SiT for me in this poll.   But all those albums are great, with barely a rizza paper between them.

Between "rizza paper" and "according to Hoyle," I'm starting to feel like some of y'all are speaking a different language!

I throw the first two albums into this mix (I get why a lot of folks don't), and I get a very different result:

1. POM
2. TNOTB
3. Powerslave
4/5T. IM/Killers
6. SIT
7. SSOASS

Moonchild and SSOASS are better songs than anything on SIT, but nothing else on SSOASS appeals to me.  SIT is more consistent.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: bosk1 on February 20, 2020, 10:30:19 AM
Between "rizza paper" and "according to Hoyle," I'm starting to feel like some of y'all are speaking a different language!

Well, but we already established that the Hoyle thing was in some obscure movie that some people on the forum have seen and assume everyone else has as well, so there's that.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: Lowdz on February 20, 2020, 10:49:02 AM
Somewhere In Time has the better cover, I will say that for it 😀
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: Stadler on February 20, 2020, 10:59:11 AM

As far as Powerslave, Aces High and Powerslave are at the top.  Rime and Two Minutes and The Duelists are a notch down.  Flash and Losfer Words are another notch down.  And Village is WAY, WAY, WAY down -- probably the only song on Number through SIT that I consider to be "bad."

That last does not compute for me.  I get it, opinions, but for me, BITV is a top ten Maiden song, easily.  I admit to being biased on SiT, because when I got the album, I put it on a tape and had to cut something so cut TLOTLDR, and so I've maybe heard it a quarter of the times I've listened to the album - so maybe I need to revisit it - but it pales in comparison to BITV.

We've had the discussion about BITV before, and I know you like it a lot.  There's just nothing about it that appeals to me, and the chorus is annoying.  As for Loneliness, I really don't often listen to SIT, so I can't offer much more than a general statement that I think it's a really good song, but the pacing of the verses is really appealing to me.


Also, not only am I quite surprised that SIT is winning this thing, I'm astounded that it's winning so convincingly.


Number of the Beast to Seventh Son is an amazing run of albums.  If it had to rank those albums it would be.

- SiT.
- Powerslave.
- Seventh.
- Mind.
- Beast.

So SiT for me in this poll.   But all those albums are great, with barely a rizza paper between them.

Between "rizza paper" and "according to Hoyle," I'm starting to feel like some of y'all are speaking a different language!

I throw the first two albums into this mix (I get why a lot of folks don't), and I get a very different result:

1. POM
2. TNOTB
3. Powerslave
4/5T. IM/Killers
6. SIT
7. SSOASS

Moonchild and SSOASS are better songs than anything on SIT, but nothing else on SSOASS appeals to me.  SIT is more consistent.

Another point on which we gently (and in good fun) disagree on:  The Clairvoyant is a top ten or so song for me as well.   
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: ZirconBlue on February 20, 2020, 11:08:39 AM


Between "rizza paper" and "according to Hoyle," I'm starting to feel like some of y'all are speaking a different language!

Well, but we already established that the Hoyle thing was in some obscure movie that some people on the forum have seen and assume everyone else has as well, so there's that.



"According to Hoyle" was a common expression used at least as recently as by my parents and their generation, referring to the Edmund Hoyle's book on the rules of card games.


Quote
On highest authority, in keeping with established rules. Edmond Hoyle, an Englishman born in 1679 and buried in 1769, wrote short treatises on five different card games (they were bound together in one volume in 1746). Within a year his name appeared on other books published by plagiarists, which also gave rules and advice for playing games. This practice has continued to the present day, and there are rule books about poker and numerous other games, all invoking the authority of Hoyle, who died long before these games were invented.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: Zoom E on February 20, 2020, 11:25:39 AM
Piece of Mind, easily. Somewhere in Time never connected with me.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: pg1067 on February 20, 2020, 12:30:49 PM
Between "rizza paper" and "according to Hoyle," I'm starting to feel like some of y'all are speaking a different language!

Well, but we already established that the Hoyle thing was in some obscure movie that some people on the forum have seen and assume everyone else has as well, so there's that.

Even I don't think Pulp Fiction was an obscure movie (although I didn't like it at all).


Another point on which we gently (and in good fun) disagree on:  The Clairvoyant is a top ten or so song for me as well.   

It's not a "bad" song; it just doesn't compare to the standard that Maiden set over the first six albums.


"According to Hoyle" was a common expression used at least as recently as by my parents and their generation, referring to the Edmund Hoyle's book on the rules of card games.

Yeah...this was discussed in detail in another thread (don't remember which one), so no need to rehash it, but I'll repeat here that my parents were born in the early 1920s, and I never heard them use it.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: Dave_Manchester on February 20, 2020, 02:22:54 PM
Number of the Beast to Seventh Son is an amazing run of albums. 

Agreed. One of the greatest runs of albums in history in my opinion.

As for this poll, Piece of Mind gets my vote. I'm actually a bit surprised to see the results so far, I'd assumed PoM would run away with this (brilliant though SiT is). This is purely anecdotal but when I was growing up in the 80s and early 90s in England, Piece of Mind was considered one of the legendary albums of the last 10 years, whereas Somewhere in Time was 'merely' an excellent continuation of the band's dominance of the British metal scene.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: pg1067 on February 20, 2020, 03:36:50 PM
This is purely anecdotal but when I was growing up in the 80s and early 90s in England, Piece of Mind was considered one of the legendary albums of the last 10 years, whereas Somewhere in Time was 'merely' an excellent continuation of the band's dominance of the British metal scene.

As someone who was a teen and in his early 20s in the 80s (in Southern California), my observations are identical.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: bosk1 on February 20, 2020, 04:02:43 PM
Same here.  And even though I voted SiT based on my personal preference, I am likewise surprised at the poll results (although 56 votes is such a tiny sample size that it really isn't indicative of anything).
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: max_security on February 20, 2020, 04:06:53 PM
I guess I can see people looking back and seeing the newer album as being better. POM IS Iron Maiden to me , and always will be. I do like SIT better than Powerslave however. But I was all in for these three albums at the time no doubt.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: Cruithne on February 21, 2020, 02:19:05 AM
I remember Steve saying something like he didn't like the slow tempo of Flight Of Icarus on the album. They play it faster live, and he likes it much better that way.

Flight Of Icarus is belabored, Revelations sounds positively turgid. A couple of other songs drag a little too, iirc.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: pg1067 on February 21, 2020, 10:52:00 AM
I remember Steve saying something like he didn't like the slow tempo of Flight Of Icarus on the album. They play it faster live, and he likes it much better that way.

Flight Of Icarus is belabored, Revelations sounds positively turgid. A couple of other songs drag a little too, iirc.

I became familiar with Icarus as a result of the video on MTV.  I then bought the album.  I didn't care too much for Revelations at first, but I really liked the Live After Death version and eventually came around to liking the studio version.  However, I still find the live version more appealing, and a lot of that is the faster tempo.  However, I find the live version of Icarus to be a bit rushed.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: DoctorAction on February 24, 2020, 03:07:58 PM
I voted pom but love them both.

The sound of SIT is fantastic. Guitar tones are really tasty and kinda polished but really powerful. I'd love it if they could record a record this great sounding again.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: eric42434224 on February 29, 2020, 08:50:01 PM
I went with PoM because of the more raw sound, especially guitars.  I love SiT, but the very polished production, keyboard effects, and smooth guitar sounds turned me off a tad.
Never really got into another Maiden album after SiT.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: soupytwist on March 02, 2020, 06:24:53 AM

Between "rizza paper" and "according to Hoyle," I'm starting to feel like some of y'all are speaking a different language!


Rizza Paper.  Most popular (in the UK) brand of rolling paper using for making hand rolled Cigarettes or Joints.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: WildRanger on October 04, 2021, 01:25:54 PM
Guitar solos on SIT >> guitar solos on POM

Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: Lowdz on October 04, 2021, 02:23:06 PM
No contest for me. pice of Mind. Better songs, better production. SIT only wins on the cover.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: gazinwales on October 05, 2021, 12:35:33 AM
Hard to pick any of those 5 albums with Bruce in the 1980's, they are all so good and have stood the test of time by still sound great and not aging.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: The Realm on October 05, 2021, 03:14:25 AM
Totally agree with the post above. Love all the Bruce 80s albums, just too hard to separate.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: Zantera on October 05, 2021, 03:27:12 AM
For me Piece of Mind while great was always the weakest out of their classic run. There's still great stuff on it like Where Eagles Dare, Revelations and The Trooper, but there's a couple of duds and I think it's let down by the second half a little bit. (Still some good songs in the second half though)

Somewhere in Time for me was always the underrated one out of the classics and I love the atmosphere of it. Futuristic Eddie, the added synths in the sound and it just felt like such a nice follow up to Powerslave (going from ancient Egypt to the future). You could argue out of their classic albums it's perhaps the lightest on hit songs (though Wasted Years and Heaven Can Wait are both catchy imo) but I feel it makes up for it with the deep cuts.

So yeah for me, Somewhere in Time > Piece of Mind.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: 425 on October 05, 2021, 08:21:33 AM
I love it when WildRanger bumps his own year + old thread to add some comment that responds to nothing in particular, and then people ignore the WildRanger bump and just continue responding to the original topic.

So I'll do the same: For me, it's Piece of Mind. The run from Where Eagles Dare to The Trooper is perhaps the best five-song run of 80s Maiden (the other top candidate would be The Evil That Men Do through Only the Good Die Young), and then the album also has To Tame a Land. SiT is also very strong, and probably comes in right behind PoM as my third-favorite 80s Maiden album (Seventh Son is my #1), but I think it's just below the level of PoM due to Heaven Can Wait and Deja Vu.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: porcacultor on October 05, 2021, 09:05:54 AM
I have a bunch of love for Piece of Mind, it was the first 80s Maiden album I sunk my teeth into. However, Somewhere in Time is the clear victor for my personal tastes -- not one of the songs gets less than a 9,5/10 rating for me. Clear contender for my favorite overall as well along with Dance of Death.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: pg1067 on October 05, 2021, 09:59:34 AM
I love it when WildRanger bumps his own year + old thread to add some comment that responds to nothing in particular, and then people ignore the WildRanger bump and just continue responding to the original topic.

 :lol :lol
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: ZirconBlue on October 05, 2021, 02:17:42 PM
Somewhere in Time

Aside from Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner, every other song on that record kicks ass.  Especially Deja Vu.   :metal
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: pg1067 on October 05, 2021, 04:57:41 PM
Somewhere in Time

Aside from Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner, every other song on that record kicks ass.  Especially Deja Vu.   :metal

I love Deja Vu.  I think of it in the same vein as Sun and Steel -- relatively short songs that pack a lot in a little bit of space.  I rank Sun and Steel higher because of the guitar solo.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: cramx3 on October 06, 2021, 08:23:44 AM
I'm a big fan of Deja Vu
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: gazinwales on October 06, 2021, 02:51:36 PM
I'm a big fan of Deja Vu

Yes so am I, love the excitingly catchy chorus of:
Feels like I've heard this chorus before been here before x 4/6/8  ;D
Title: Re: Iron Maiden POLL: Piece of Mind or Somewhere in Time?
Post by: cramx3 on October 06, 2021, 03:20:07 PM
I'm a big fan of Deja Vu

Yes so am I, love the excitingly catchy chorus of:
Feels like I've heard this chorus before been here before x 4/6/8  ;D

 :lol it also helps that I think the concept and feeling of deja vu is so freaky. Love how IM made a song about it and it's super fun and catchy.