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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: KevShmev on January 11, 2020, 08:24:09 AM
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I am actually in awe of how bad he sounds here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcQ6GPFKV84&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IZ9uCtSqlQ&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLo7EEzu78A&feature=youtu.be
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Wow, he sounds terrible and is rhythmically off most of the time as well. 'You Really Got Me' (last link) sounds awful especially.
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I'm not surprised really. He sounded this horrible in 2013 already (when VH recorded the Tokyo Dome live album, and they actually released it too. Don't listen to it. It's injourious to one's health.)
And then people whinge about James when he has an off night. Worlds apart.
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I've always been a proponent of performing
until you don't feel it in your soul but that was
unlistenable. It hurt my ears. Kind of sad to be
honest.
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That was terrifying :lol
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Imagine how bad the songs would sound without the piped-in pre-recorded vocals. :eek :eek
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If someone would have told me he would sound this bad in 2002 when I saw him in concert, I would have said, "No shit. He sounds bad enough now."
One of the worst shows I've ever seen. His backing band sang an unhealthy chunk of the songs for him while he spoke half of the vocals and then did these weird high step pseudo kicks. He humped a bottle of jack daniels and spilled some of it on the front row and started insulting some guy saying that he was going going him with his woman.
Somehow I doubt the guy felt threatened at all.
Then Sammy Hagar went on, who I'm not a huge fan of, and put on an amazing show.
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I only watched Dance the Night Away...
I mean, the weird thing about Dave is his voice isn’t TOTALLY shot. He’s just not trying. With some (okay a lot) adjustments on the melody lines and a vocal coach he probably could eek out a serviceable performance. But oddly for being “Mr Entertainment” he seems to give zero fucks.
I have a lot of sympathy for these old time rocker singers losing their voice but this is pure laziness and frankly he should be ashamed for taking people’s money and putting in that sort of effort on a show.
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On his speech during Dance the Night Away.
This is amazing.
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I couldn't make it a minute into the first video. That is fucking brutal.
I have a lot of sympathy for these old time rocker singers losing their voice but this is pure laziness and frankly he should be ashamed for taking people’s money and putting in that sort of effort on a show.
I totally agree.
Who the hell would give this guy their money? I mean, WTF?
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Is he preparing to tour with Vince Neil?
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I couldn't make it a minute into the first video. That is fucking brutal.
I have a lot of sympathy for these old time rocker singers losing their voice but this is pure laziness and frankly he should be ashamed for taking people’s money and putting in that sort of effort on a show.
I totally agree.
Who the hell would give this guy their money? I mean, WTF?
which is why I did not buy the Tokyo Dome live album. Not one correct note by DLR and a disservice to EVH, AVH and WVH. (to put it mildly) If I were to ever be in this dreadful state, I'd not even consider going on stage.
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Is he preparing to tour with Vince Neil?
No, Kiss.
Why the hell would Kiss want him opening their “final” tour?
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Is he preparing to tour with Vince Neil?
No, Kiss.
Why the hell would Kiss want him opening their “final” tour?
Oh are you serious? I was just kidding since both singers are terrible now.
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It’s sad but true, but yes. Someone actually booked David to go on tour with them
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I love Dave but yeah................even when I saw VH a few years back in Sydney (their first show in OZ with with either Roth or Hagar) he was chewing gum while singing ::) It pained me to say it but that night Aerosmith blew them off the stage.
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I love Dave but yeah................even when I saw VH a few years back in Sydney (their first show in OZ with with either Roth or Hagar) he was chewing gum while singing ::) It pained me to say it but that night Aerosmith blew them off the stage.
Then VH must've been bad.
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Nah - I was actually super impressed with Aerosmith and actually paid up to see them in Melbourne a few weeks later. Tyler's vocal performance at his age was amazing.
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That's cool. Been decades since I've seen them. I never thought they were that strong live, but as you well know, I'm usually wrong. :lol
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Here's a vid from the gig when Tyler had already been singing for ages.........like most YT vids the sound doesn't do it justice. Him and Perry look like death warmed up but really put in for the show. VH (even allowing for DLR's vocals) looked like they were dialling it in.
https://youtu.be/3FvWRsx7Pv0?t=184
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Tyler sounds fucking rough bro, but he's no doubt putting in the effort.
I love classic Aerosmith and Joe Perry's second album is one of my all time fave's, but he has to be the most cringeworthy guitarist ever.
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I don't know; I think at this point you know what you're getting with Roth. What was the height of Van Halen's powers? '82? '84? He did the same thing then; where do you think Vince Neil got his whole stage schtick from? At least a good portion of the notes he went for he got too. He's never going to be James or Freddie Mercury.
I actually didn't think that was that bad for him.
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Who's James Mercury?
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Who's James Mercury?
You devil.
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This thread seems good as any to bring back this awkward DLR video from last summer. Still can’t tell if Dave realizes they didn’t know who he was or if he and his crew still think they made their night.
https://youtu.be/uKRcbKVfmp8 (https://youtu.be/uKRcbKVfmp8)
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Who's James Mercury?
You devil.
:lol
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Is he preparing to tour with Vince Neil?
No, Kiss.
:lol
Yea, he is TERRIBLE
but this is par for the course. I've only seen him once, on the last Van Halen tour like 4 years ago or so. He was terrible then too. He is entertaining, but he's really really bad at being a singer.
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Yea, he is TERRIBLE
How DARE you....
https://youtu.be/IArxakPsPE0?t=84 (https://youtu.be/IArxakPsPE0?t=84)
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That's hilarious! This thread prompted me to find that video a couple hours ago on my phone, and it was the last video I had watched, so when it popped up when I clicked on that link I thought "but this was the last video I watched, what went wrong?"
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Yea, he is TERRIBLE
How DARE you....
https://youtu.be/IArxakPsPE0?t=84 (https://youtu.be/IArxakPsPE0?t=84)
:lol
Ouch.
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:lol the whistle at 1:56 :rollin and woooooo
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I am actually in awe of how bad he sounds here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcQ6GPFKV84&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IZ9uCtSqlQ&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLo7EEzu78A&feature=youtu.be
I watched Unchained and YRGM. :lol Honestly, not as bad as I thought considering the comments, he's having such a good time up there lol. I like how he puts random lyrics in random places cleary where they shouldn't be haha. Althought it is pretty bad. He's obviously got early onset Parkinsons or something, he doesn't seem right. I like how he trying to put on a show at least.
Who's the guitarist? He ripped on that YRGM solo.
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I am actually in awe of how bad he sounds here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcQ6GPFKV84&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IZ9uCtSqlQ&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLo7EEzu78A&feature=youtu.be
I watched Unchained and YRGM. :lol Honestly, not as bad as I thought considering the comments, he's having such a good time up there lol. I like how he puts random lyrics in random places cleary where they shouldn't be haha. Althought it is pretty bad. He's obviously got early onset Parkinsons or something, he doesn't seem right. I like how he trying to put on a show at least.
Who's the guitarist? He ripped on that YRGM solo.
He seems to be getting pretty decent reviews despite the (expected) crappy vocals.
The guitarist is Al Estrada who was in a VH tribute band called Eruption and has demoed EVH gear.
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Daves voice was shit when I saw them in 1984. It was non existent when I saw him 20 years ago.
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The guitarist is Al Estrada
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I am actually in awe of how bad he sounds here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcQ6GPFKV84&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IZ9uCtSqlQ&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLo7EEzu78A&feature=youtu.be
I watched Unchained and YRGM. :lol Honestly, not as bad as I thought considering the comments, he's having such a good time up there lol. I like how he puts random lyrics in random places cleary where they shouldn't be haha. Althought it is pretty bad. He's obviously got early onset Parkinsons or something, he doesn't seem right. I like how he trying to put on a show at least.
Who's the guitarist? He ripped on that YRGM solo.
He seems to be getting pretty decent reviews despite the (expected) crappy vocals.
The guitarist is Al Estrada who was in a VH tribute band called Eruption and has demoed EVH gear.
Yeah, he's solid. I wouldn't give him good reviews or anything, but at least he's trying to put on a show. :lol
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He sounds so bad it is actually worth to pay the ticket money just to laugh your ass off. Musical stand-up comedy. And that includes the costumes he wears.. God.. what the fuck..
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He sounds so bad it is actually worth to pay the ticket money just to laugh your ass off. Musical stand-up comedy. And that includes the costumes he wears.. God.. what the fuck..
I'm sure he'd just appreciate your money. :lol
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I know Dave doesn't sound the best now but I give him a pass strictly just based on how cool and awesome he was from 77-86. He's still a cool performer.
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The guitarist is Al Estrada
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PONCH!
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I know Dave doesn't sound the best now but I give him a pass strictly just based on how cool and awesome he was from 77-86. He's still a cool performer.
Jay, I think the Statute Of Limitations has long run out on Dave being cool.
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Because no DLR thread is complete without it...
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:rollin
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He sounds so bad it is actually worth to pay the ticket money just to laugh your ass off. Musical stand-up comedy. And that includes the costumes he wears.. God.. what the fuck..
I'd go see him for this. I'd probably have a blast honestly. You just know you cant expect a great vocalist but you'll find a great entertainer
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He sounds so bad it is actually worth to pay the ticket money just to laugh your ass off. Musical stand-up comedy. And that includes the costumes he wears.. God.. what the fuck..
I'd go see him for this. I'd probably have a blast honestly. You just know you cant expect a great vocalist but you'll find a great entertainer
Cram, I love you man, you know that, so I mean this as a compliment......but you'd have a blast having a root canal.
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Only if I got the funny gas :lol
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Only if I got the funny gas :lol
That could actually be fun. :lol
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:lol
Only got the gas once as a teen before removing my wisdom teeth, I'll never forget it. The nurse asked me what I wanted to do with my life and I burst out in laughter. That's when the dentist came in and ripped the teeth out.
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I am actually in awe of how bad he sounds here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcQ6GPFKV84&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IZ9uCtSqlQ&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLo7EEzu78A&feature=youtu.be
Thanks so much for posting that! I really needed a good laugh. :rollin
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wow... LOL
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He sounds so bad it is actually worth to pay the ticket money just to laugh your ass off. Musical stand-up comedy. And that includes the costumes he wears.. God.. what the fuck..
I'd go see him for this. I'd probably have a blast honestly. You just know you cant expect a great vocalist but you'll find a great entertainer
I would definitely go if I was shit faced and tickets were free, which would be 95% the likeliest scenario given that it’s at the House of Blues in Vegas. No way in hell I’m paying $100 though.
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I just find it so amusing how he's having such a good time up there haha. No fucks given.
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I just find it so amusing how he's having such a good time up there haha. No fucks given.
That’s my point exactly. Who gives a shit. He’s David Lee f&$@ing Roth and still cooler than all of us
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Some of the actual reviews, though, are pretty good. The vibe in the room must be good.
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Is he preparing to tour with Vince Neil?
and Paul Stanley. "The 3 Off Key Tenors"
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I wrote my thoughts on Facebook....
So I out of curiosity watched some footage of David Lee Roth’s first night of his Las Vegas residency and wow where do I start...
First off, who listened to his pitch and thought it was a good idea to let him do this? Bad doesn’t begin to describe it. It’s very uncomfortable to watch.
He try’s to perform a song and the only recognizable vocals are the backing vocals from his band. He just kind of stands there almost unrecognizably screaming off key to whatever song his band is playing. I’ll also point out he doesn’t know any of the words to the songs. He stood there during California Girls saying, “oh man I forgot the words”.
Then after the song ends he stands and rambles on for sometimes 15 minutes or more sipping a bourbon about ridiculous nonsense until he decides to start another nightmare number that must have the audience thinking, please keep telling more stories it’s less painful! The audience also has to be thinking, is there a mid performance refund policy? Is there a doctor in the house? My ears are bleeding!
I mean I’ll give him some credit for being in great physical shape but he literally can’t sing a single note that resembles anything but a cat starving in a cold alleyway.
I’m not even exaggerating about any of this.
And lastly I feel horrible for his talented band who has to stand there smiling pretending they are performing with an actual singer and not the worlds worst karaoke performer in some seedy bar. They have to be thinking what in hell did I get myself into? The things we do for money.
Sometimes you see a clip of something like Vince Neil or David Lee Roth butchering a song and think this has to be doctored to make the artist look bad. Let me tell you, this was real, and it couldn’t possibly be any worse.
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Some of the actual reviews, though, are pretty good. The vibe in the room must be good.
Probably by people whose ears are in as bad a shape as DLR's voice. :P
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I can't think of anyone who would go expecting him to sing the songs. Like, when was the last time he actually did that?
It's vegas, I'm sure people are just going for fun and likely are having it.
However, I feel like if you see him opening for Kiss, it could be a turn off. I'd imagine a lot of people will see him who otherwise wouldn't and may not know what kind of performance they are in for :lol
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Well, that could go either way. It depends on how smart and aware Dave is (and I've always thought him to be smarter and more aware than he lets on). If he does Vegas cabaret, I don't know how that plays to a 15,000 seat arena/amphitheater. If he does a Van Halen Lite, heavy on the party, it could be the perfect opener. I'm considering it, seeing as it will likely be the last time I get to see my idols on stage (I liked Kiss before I even knew who Van Halen was, in fact, I probably gave Van Halen the benefit of the doubt BECAUSE of Kiss).
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At the risk of sounding extremely snobbish, sorry in advance.. Let’s just say that as a ‘musician’ (take that however you like) myself I find it hard to accept that anyone who’s clearly not good (like these videos, but there’s obviously other examples out there) makes money off a craft that they do not master in the slightest. I mean, this performance is inexcusable. It’s beyond terrible and I can’t imagine that this guy has no clue that he’s putting on a shit show.
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At the risk of sounding extremely snobbish, sorry in advance.. Let’s just say that as a ‘musician’ (take that however you like) myself I find it hard to accept that anyone who’s clearly not good (like these videos, but there’s obviously other examples out there) makes money off a craft that they do not master in the slightest. I mean, this performance is inexcusable. It’s beyond terrible and I can’t imagine that this guy has no clue that he’s putting on a shit show.
Doesn't it matter what he's selling? He's not now and never was trying to be James LaBrie or [insert technically amazing vocalist]. You don't ride a 20-foot inflatable microphone across the stage in ass-less chaps if you're going for vocal technique credibility.
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Dave's been doing this for 40 years now. He was doing the same "desperate woman, need a man with a gun, I forgot the fucking words!" thing since the song came out. "I'll come down there and fuck your girlfriend, buddy" has been around since at least the US festival. Dave has always been more showman than singer and he's just doing more of the same. If you wanted great vocals then you listened to the album because he was never going to bring it live. What he should be doing is more of a Dean and Sammy at the Sands sort of deal. Spend half the show getting drunk and telling funny stories. Sing a few songs. Have a guest or two come out when they're available. Simply treat it as a good time rather than a rock concert. Myself, I'd pay to see Dave do a show like that.
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I would too, and I'll bet I'd enjoy the hell out of it.
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Yea, that is a good idea.
Well, that could go either way. It depends on how smart and aware Dave is (and I've always thought him to be smarter and more aware than he lets on). If he does Vegas cabaret, I don't know how that plays to a 15,000 seat arena/amphitheater. If he does a Van Halen Lite, heavy on the party, it could be the perfect opener. I'm considering it, seeing as it will likely be the last time I get to see my idols on stage (I liked Kiss before I even knew who Van Halen was, in fact, I probably gave Van Halen the benefit of the doubt BECAUSE of Kiss).
I kind of just assume it'll be the same thing since he goes on tour right after the vegas residency, but maybe he does change it up. I think I'm going to try to go to that "final" Kiss show at MSG in 2021 and not bother with this leg. The AC date is the closest and just not worth the money unless Kiss changes a good part of the show. Having DLR is enticing though because it adds some entertainment value that wasn't there before.
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What he should be doing is more of a Dean and Sammy at the Sands sort of deal. Spend half the show getting drunk and telling funny stories. Sing a few songs. Have a guest or two come out when they're available. Simply treat it as a good time rather than a rock concert. Myself, I'd pay to see Dave do a show like that.
Yeah, I think that'd be cool, for lack of a better word.
But as this is now, I'll keep my money thankyouverymuch.
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Doesn't it matter what he's selling? He's not now and never was trying to be James LaBrie or [insert technically amazing vocalist]. You don't ride a 20-foot inflatable microphone across the stage in ass-less chaps if you're going for vocal technique credibility.
:lol :lol :lol Great point!
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As bad as Roth's "singing" is, if VH announced another tour with him they'd all make a bunch of money. It's amazing. I never liked his stage antics but now that he doesn't do much anymore, what's the appeal of seeing him live these days? Maybe it's one of those things where it's a lot better when you're actually there.
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As bad as Roth's "singing" is, if VH announced another tour with him they'd all make a bunch of money. It's amazing. I never liked his stage antics but now that he doesn't do much anymore, what's the appeal of seeing him live these days? Maybe it's one of those things where it's a lot better when you're actually there.
One word: nostalgia.
Look at how well bands like Def Leppard, Bon Jovi and Journey still do touring, and they're all decades past their creative primes.
I would never see that show because I vowed over 10 years ago to never give EVH any money again, due to his shabby treatment of Michael Anthony*, and towards that end I had a friend send me his HQ mp3's of A Different Kind of Truth so I didn't have to actually buy it, but even if I was down to spend money on VH again, I wouldn't pay to see them with Roth singing the way he is right now.
*Note: if the Van Hagar lineup (Hagar, EVH, Anthony, AVH) toured again, I'd consider paying to see that, but the odds of that are the same as TAC putting Power Windows and Promised Land both on his all-time favorites list. ;)
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Van Halen with Sammy in 2004 was sooooo much better than Van Halen with DLR in 2015 from my own experience. I did find myself entertained enough by just watching DLR but Sammy is entertaining himself plus he can sing. I kind of wish we'd get more live songs with Sammy doing DLR era. I always enjoyed the few songs he sang on the live album. Unchained with Sammy was fantastic in 2004 if I recall.
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You don't ride a 20-foot inflatable microphone across the stage in ass-less chaps if you're going for vocal technique credibility.
June 30, 1991
Great Woods, Mansfield, MA
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I saw the first show of the reunion with Roth (and Wolfgang), in Charlotte, and it was amazing. No, he didn't sing every word, yes, he did his "Dave!" schtick. But honestly, in the moment, I didn't miss Michael Anthony even for a minute (and I get he's good; I saw him in a club with Chickenfoot and he was solid as a rock).
Respect to those that have a different opinion, but if you're in for two-hours of sweaty rock and roll, good ole fashioned arena show, you can do a LOT worse than Van Halen. Mike Anthony is a big boy, he can make his own decisions; I don't feel bad for him at all. Not that E/AVH have been perfect (I still don't understand what happened with the artwork fiasco) but it's THEIR BAND. I don't begrudge Ed wanting to play with his son, even for a second (and his kid is GOOD).
I don't know what that looks like in 2019 - I personally don't think we'll see Van Halen ever again, not sustained - but I think some of the criticisms aren't fair in that they don't account for the intent.
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And I'll include this one too, and yes, that is the great Jason Becker.
Sadly, I don't think it was.
Wikipedia:
Although he managed to finish the album, which was released in 1991, he did not join the supporting tour due to his inability to perform on stage; former Lizzy Borden guitarist Joe Holmes took Becker's place on tour.
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Huh. Well alright then.
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He did a great job trying to look like him then.
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I could’ve sworn it was him. There is a boot to the show. I used to have it before I pitched all my tapes. I’ll have to find it and listen for the band intros.
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I'm pretty sure it's Joe Homes dressed up (hair and all) to look as much like Becker as possible. I don't recall how open they were about Becker's illness at that time but I think (although I am sure they didn't lie that it was Becker) it was kept pretty quiet that Becker was on the sidelines.
Cinderella and Extreme supporting - nice lineup.
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My memory is almost positive that Becker was introduced.
Pretty sure Holmes played with DLR when I saw him in 1994.
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Bloody Joe Holmes................was announced as touring guitarist out here for an Ozzy gig around the time of Ozzmosis (I think) and so I did't bother going and then Zakk Wylde was subbed back in at the last minute and I was spewing :lol
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My memory is almost positive that Becker was introduced.
Pretty sure Holmes played with DLR when I saw him in 1994.
Did a bit of digging and found a detailed article on it. Looks like I was incorrect re not lying about it :lol
Work on Roth’s A Little Ain’t Enough finished and a band meeting was called. Jason played every solo, every riff on the album, with rhythm guitar player and pal Steve Hunter helping out on the backing tracks. But it was obvious Jason couldn’t go on.
“Everyone was sad,” he says. “Dave was totally depressed. I tried to make him feel better by talking about football.” They were, he says, “the coolest bunch of guys.” Which made what followed especially hard to take.
When it was announced that Jason had left the band, Diamond Dave mysteriously decided to tell the press that some guitar players were good in the studio while some were better on the road – a cryptic reference many took to mean that Becker couldn’t cut it live.
At home, out of the band and facing up to life with a fatal and degenerative disease, Becker read Roth’s comments in a magazine. They hurt, he says.
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I saw the first show of the reunion with Roth (and Wolfgang), in Charlotte, and it was amazing. No, he didn't sing every word, yes, he did his "Dave!" schtick. But honestly, in the moment, I didn't miss Michael Anthony even for a minute (and I get he's good; I saw him in a club with Chickenfoot and he was solid as a rock).
Respect to those that have a different opinion, but if you're in for two-hours of sweaty rock and roll, good ole fashioned arena show, you can do a LOT worse than Van Halen. Mike Anthony is a big boy, he can make his own decisions; I don't feel bad for him at all. Not that E/AVH have been perfect (I still don't understand what happened with the artwork fiasco) but it's THEIR BAND. I don't begrudge Ed wanting to play with his son, even for a second (and his kid is GOOD).
I don't know what that looks like in 2019 - I personally don't think we'll see Van Halen ever again, not sustained - but I think some of the criticisms aren't fair in that they don't account for the intent.
I don't think anyone begrudges EVH wanting to play with his son. You (the general "you") could say there is no good way to fire someone from a band, but the way Eddie and Alex kicked Anthony out of the band, and all of the shit they have said and done since, was and is indefensible. Anthony, to his credit, has always taken the high road and has always been nothing but grateful and positive about the time he spent in Van Halen. I suspect the brothers hate for Anthony began when he stayed friends with Hagar following the latter's departure in 1996. I am sure they took that as an act of treason and he's been on their shit list ever since.
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I suspect the brothers hate for Anthony began when he stayed friends with Hagar following the latter's departure in 1996. I am sure they took that as an act of treason and he's been on their shit list ever since.
I'm not defending the VH brothers, BUT...I'm sure the fact that Sammy has frequently chirped about them and Michael didn't exactly help them to NOT view it as such. :lol
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I'm not defending the VH brothers, BUT...I'm sure the fact that Sammy has frequently chirped about them and Michael didn't exactly help them to NOT view it as such. :lol
Perhaps. Anthony strikes me as a guy who wants no part of the drama; he just wants to play his bass and have a good time.
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Yea, Anthony seems to have been a bit of a victim of the VH brother's being shitty, but while that upsets me to have seen happen with him being kicked out of the band, it didn't and wouldn't stop me from seeing them live or buying a new album if they made another. Bands do shitty things to each other all the time, Anthony at least has a band with Sammy and seems to be a happy guy overall while Eddie is constantly rumored to be dying. It seems like karma in a way. It's not like Michael Anthony lost his job and is in the streets. His prospects look better than the other.
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I think part of it, too, is their outside ventures. Anthony has made a killing selling his BBQ sauces, and Hagar has made a king's ransom selling his tequila, the latter of which the brothers lost money on when they invested and then bailed when it was losing money early only to see it skyrocket after they had sold their shares. They probably Hagar hate for it, and they probably think of Anthony as some lackey who was lucky to be in their band and who then made a killing off an outside venture because he was connected to the Van Halen brand.
Note: I suspect 95% of the hate comes from Eddie, but Alex is being a loyal brother.
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My memory is almost positive that Becker was introduced.
Pretty sure Holmes played with DLR when I saw him in 1994.
Did a bit of digging and found a detailed article on it. Looks like I was incorrect re not lying about it :lol
Work on Roth’s A Little Ain’t Enough finished and a band meeting was called. Jason played every solo, every riff on the album, with rhythm guitar player and pal Steve Hunter helping out on the backing tracks. But it was obvious Jason couldn’t go on.
“Everyone was sad,” he says. “Dave was totally depressed. I tried to make him feel better by talking about football.” They were, he says, “the coolest bunch of guys.” Which made what followed especially hard to take.
When it was announced that Jason had left the band, Diamond Dave mysteriously decided to tell the press that some guitar players were good in the studio while some were better on the road – a cryptic reference many took to mean that Becker couldn’t cut it live.
At home, out of the band and facing up to life with a fatal and degenerative disease, Becker read Roth’s comments in a magazine. They hurt, he says.
That's tough that the comments were taken that way. Clear to see why they were but Dave would have never meant any harm, was trying to protect him the best way he could it seems.
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Apparently I was wrong. This was a pretty forgettable show all the way around anyway. I may have even been aware that Becker did not play the tour, though I would not have known why. I guess I just don't remember.
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Well without the internet, I'm sure it was easy to not notice such a thing.
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Or...it could be my memory.
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I think part of it, too, is their outside ventures. Anthony has made a killing selling his BBQ sauces, and Hagar has made a king's ransom selling his tequila, the latter of which the brothers lost money on when they invested and then bailed when it was losing money early only to see it skyrocket after they had sold their shares. They probably Hagar hate for it, and they probably think of Anthony as some lackey who was lucky to be in their band and who then made a killing off an outside venture because he was connected to the Van Halen brand.
Note: I suspect 95% of the hate comes from Eddie, but Alex is being a loyal brother.
It's also the case that Michael was a pretty well grounded guy. While I'm sure he drank his fair share of Jack Daniels, he was never the hopeless drunk that the brothers were. If I'm not mistaken he's still married to his highschool sweetheart, FFS. I suspect he took care of his royalties money pretty well long before he ventured off into BBQ sauce, and that's where the killing was done. Sammy was doing quite well on his own, too. I recall him saying that joining VH was a significant pay cut at the time. Obviously he did great afterward. I dug his solo stuff a helluva lot more than his VH material, so I reckon he had good name recognition before joining the cult, and also a solid reputation as a great, hard working performer (his early solo shows were legendary).
Has anybody actually tried any of the Mad Anthony stuff? He's certainly proud of it.
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I think part of it, too, is their outside ventures. Anthony has made a killing selling his BBQ sauces, and Hagar has made a king's ransom selling his tequila, the latter of which the brothers lost money on when they invested and then bailed when it was losing money early only to see it skyrocket after they had sold their shares. They probably Hagar hate for it, and they probably think of Anthony as some lackey who was lucky to be in their band and who then made a killing off an outside venture because he was connected to the Van Halen brand.
Note: I suspect 95% of the hate comes from Eddie, but Alex is being a loyal brother.
It's also the case that Michael was a pretty well grounded guy. While I'm sure he drank his fair share of Jack Daniels, he was never the hopeless drunk that the brothers were. If I'm not mistaken he's still married to his highschool sweetheart, FFS. I suspect he took care of his royalties money pretty well long before he ventured off into BBQ sauce, and that's where the killing was done. Sammy was doing quite well on his own, too. I recall him saying that joining VH was a significant pay cut at the time. Obviously he did great afterward. I dug his solo stuff a helluva lot more than his VH material, so I reckon he had good name recognition before joining the cult, and also a solid reputation as a great, hard working performer (his early solo shows were legendary).
I like Standing Hampton and Three Lock Box better than any Van Halen record with Hagar on it, and it's not really close.
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Finally.
It’s weird because it wasn’t until I got on the internet in the 90s that I first discovered that Sammy was not a worldwide phenomenon.
Obviously, someone in Seattle loved Sammy Hagar, because I grew up hearing 3-4 Montrose tunes as well as the following on REGULAR REPEATED rotation:
Red
I’ve Done Everything For You
This Planet’s On Fire (Burn in Hell)
Plain Jane
I’ll Fall in Love Again
Heavy Metal
There's Only One Way To Rock
Baby’s on Fire
Can’t Get Loose
Three Lock Box
Your Love Is Driving Me Crazy
Remember the Heroes
I Don’t Need Love
Not to mention the stuff from VOA and beyond. When I found out that most of the country thought of Sammy as a nobody before he joined VH, my mind was completely blown.
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I knew he wasn't a nobody. Our local rock station played all of his solo hits. The first I remember was I'll Fall In Love Again. That was the first time I remember hearing about Sammy Hagar. It also might've been Heavy Metal..
Montrose was NEVER played where I grew up though.
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I knew he wasn't a nobody. Our local rock station played all of his solo hits. The first I remember was I'll Fall In Love Again. That was the first time I remember hearing about Sammy Hagar. It also might've been Heavy Metal..
Montrose was NEVER played where I grew up though.
Sam has talked about this a lot. He was, for some reason, a VERY "regional" artist. There were places in the U.S. he could headline and fill an arena, and others (I think the NE was like this) where he was barely an opening act.
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The only time I actually remember him touring here was opening for ZZ Top's Eliminator tour.
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I had never heard of any of Sammy's solo music until after I got into VH. Granted I discovered them in the late 90s early 2000s.
I did get to see Sammy Hagar and the Waboritas with Lynyrd Skynyrd opening in 2003 :metal I think it was a coheadline rotation, but I was happy with Sammy headlining my show, while everyone else was upset it seemed :lol
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That's surprising. Standing Hampton and Three Lock Box both got a lot of airplay down here. I'm surprised TOOWtR wasn't universally known.
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That's tough that the comments were taken that way. Clear to see why they were but Dave would have never meant any harm, was trying to protect him the best way he could it seems.
Yeah, that sounds like a pretty genius way to divert attention from him at a time where he would have needed privacy.
I suspect the brothers hate for Anthony began when he stayed friends with Hagar following the latter's departure in 1996. I am sure they took that as an act of treason and he's been on their shit list ever since.
I'm not defending the VH brothers, BUT...I'm sure the fact that Sammy has frequently chirped about them and Michael didn't exactly help them to NOT view it as such. :lol
Haha, yeah, Sammy's put gasoline on the fire quite a few times, and that's just what I know from reading about the drama years later on the internet.
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Look I like Sammy, and I think he's earned the right over the years, but there's no denying that Sam's a shit-stirrer.
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Look I like Sammy, and I think he's earned the right over the years, but there's no denying that Sam's a shit-stirrer.
Even his friends say that, so yeah. :lol
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In 2004, Eddie and Alex forced Michael Anthony to sign away his rights to the band in order to go on tour. He begrudgingly did so, because he felt he owed it to the fans to be on stage with Van Halen. That explains why he wasn't invited to the 2007 reunion with DLR - he was firmly in Camp Sammy at the time. We saw Sammy tour that year and Michael Anthony opened the show with his own little band, playing old VH covers.
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In 2004, Eddie and Alex forced Michael Anthony to sign away his rights to the band in order to go on tour. He begrudgingly did so, because he felt he owed it to the fans to be on stage with Van Halen. That explains why he wasn't invited to the 2007 reunion with DLR - he was firmly in Camp Sammy at the time. We saw Sammy tour that year and Michael Anthony opened the show with his own little band, playing old VH covers.
They put a gun to his head? Locked his wife in a refrigerator and said they wouldn't release him unless he complied? ;)
I think "forced" is a broad term.
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I think "forced" is a broad term.
Under the circumstances, I don't.