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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: Samsara on December 19, 2019, 10:40:15 AM
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https://youtu.be/LdOM0x0XDMo
Film is out on July 17, 2020.
Looking forward to it. Nolan handling some sort of international spy film with some science fiction overtones...
:metal
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I am sold
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I am sold
Umm. yeah. Looks freaking great :metal
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That looks bitchin.
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That shit looks tight. I can't wait :metal
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Michael Cane....nuff said.
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I'm in
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Michael Cane....nuff said.
:lol I clicked the link before scrolling down to read the comments, and about a minute in I was thinking "Where's Michael Caine?". Then about 20 seconds later... "Ah ha!"
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New trailer dropped tonight: https://youtu.be/L3pk_TBkihU
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Yeah, I caught that. I’m now more confused, and stoked. This looks more mind blowing than Inception.
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It looks interesting, but the sensationalism doesn't help.
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Eh. I mean, I hope it's fantastic. But, and based solely on the released information, this seems to be his most pretentious thing yet.
I'll totally go see it in IMAX since he's earned all the respect in the world, but I'm a bit skeptical.
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Eh. I mean, I hope it's fantastic. But, and based solely on the released information, this seems to be his most pretentious thing yet.
I'll totally go see it in IMAX since he's earned all the respect in the world, but I'm a bit skeptical.
How so?
Personally I'm super hyped for this and I'm actually soooo happy we don't have the plot details revealed yet or how the 'time travel' (inversion?) mechanic will actually work. I feel like with almost any other director, this second trailer would have had an elaborate explanation like "this is how this power works and this is how you use it". I'm actually hyped we will get to see it in the movie and figure out then. :p
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Eh. I mean, I hope it's fantastic. But, and based solely on the released information, this seems to be his most pretentious thing yet.
I'll totally go see it in IMAX since he's earned all the respect in the world, but I'm a bit skeptical.
How so?
Personally I'm super hyped for this and I'm actually soooo happy we don't have the plot details revealed yet or how the 'time travel' (inversion?) mechanic will actually work. I feel like with almost any other director, this second trailer would have had an elaborate explanation like "this is how this power works and this is how you use it". I'm actually hyped we will get to see it in the movie and figure out then. :p
Well, you will have to buy the book to understand it completely.
https://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Tenet-Inside-Christopher-Quantum/dp/1647220602
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Eh. I mean, I hope it's fantastic. But, and based solely on the released information, this seems to be his most pretentious thing yet.
I'll totally go see it in IMAX since he's earned all the respect in the world, but I'm a bit skeptical.
How so?
Personally I'm super hyped for this and I'm actually soooo happy we don't have the plot details revealed yet or how the 'time travel' (inversion?) mechanic will actually work. I feel like with almost any other director, this second trailer would have had an elaborate explanation like "this is how this power works and this is how you use it". I'm actually hyped we will get to see it in the movie and figure out then. :p
Oh no. I know better than to discuss pretentiousness with a Nolan fan. I enjoy his movies. He is a brilliant filmmaker. I don’t think he handles many characters as well as he does plot, but I feel like he is trying to get so intellectual with his plots that it’s coming off as pretentious to me. Happy to be wrong. I am excited to see this in theaters for sure and if no one else thinks it’s pretentious, that’s awesome.
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I was glad when he did Dunkirk without all the pretentious bullshit. I guess he is returning to that style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RhxyHMs-w8
This says a lot. ;D
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I was glad when he did Dunkirk without all the pretentious bullshit. I guess he is returning to that style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RhxyHMs-w8
This says a lot. ;D
You mean besides the three different narrative overlapping time frames? Heh.
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I was glad when he did Dunkirk without all the pretentious bullshit. I guess he is returning to that style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RhxyHMs-w8
This says a lot. ;D
You mean besides the three different narrative overlapping time frames? Heh.
Hahaha yes, I guess when he didn't use all that dramatic soundtrack he just couldn't help it, you know.. ;D
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Loved his early work from Momento to Inception. Since then though I wasn't that keen on either TDK rises or Dunkirk and I hated Interstellar.
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Inception is his masterpiece.
His new DOP is so bland.
But I’m looking forward to TENET.
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I'm still trying to figure out how the theaters are all still closed but they started advertising ONLY Tenet on TV a couple weeks ago? Advertised as out in theaters.
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This movie was being pegged as the industry savior/reviver of all things theater going... looks like its release date is being pushed to "indefinite", at least for the US. Word is that it may be screened around the world first and then make its way to the US.
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This movie was being pegged as the industry savior/reviver of all things theater going... looks like its release date is being pushed to "indefinite", at least for the US. Word is that it may be screened around the world first and then make its way to the US.
Here in Ontario, movie theatres are part of the phase 3 re-opening that limits indoor gatherings to 50 people. That's for the entire facility - the entire movie complex... not each individual theatre. You'd think they would adjust it to be based on at least the square footage of a facility - like 500,00 square foot casinos can only have 50 people in them... but so can a 2000 square foot mini-mart. :facepalm:
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:omg:
I've booked to see this in an actual cinema on Friday 28th !!! The screening will be sparsely booked and I have to wear a face covering but I don't give two shirts.
I wanna see this on the big screen. Not on Netflix on my crappy little 17" TV.
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:omg:
I've booked to see this in an actual cinema on Friday 28th !!! The screening will be sparsely booked and I have to wear a face covering but I don't give two shirts.
I wanna see this on the big screen. Not on Netflix on my crappy little 17" TV.
3rd September for my country. Haven't booked it yet, but I'm also going to see this on the big screen. Not going to miss this one for the world.
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I'll probably go see it as well. Unless the reviews are bad.
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I'll probably go see it as well. Unless the reviews are bad.
What I get from the reviews is that it has the same feel as Inception but it's obviously not as good as that film.
It's still great because it's still Chris Nolan. But it is a *touch* Nolan by numbers.
Still has the Nolan precision and spectacle though. No review I read said it was 'bad' though.
I just wish Wally Pfister came back to DP. Or at least get Roger Deakins. I don't like his new guy.
Interstellar and Dunkirk were so washed out colour wise compared to Inception's warmth.
Even the snow scenes in Inception had warmth. Every film with Hoytema just seems cold and grainy.
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That's my take too. Visuals and action are the positives, dry Characters and a thin plot are the negatives. Characters have generally been Nolans weak point in my opinion.
Agree about the pallette being too grey as well it's like f**cking David Yates is involved.
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Since inception it’s like his films use a camcorder for how grainy and cold they are.
He just needs that constant “wwwhhhhhhh” wind sound you get from all domestic video cameras 😝
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Just booked this for next Saturday at midday. Picked my favourite theater and the movie is in English with Russian subtitles. Now I've got something to look forward to at the end of the week. Hyped for this. The safety precautions seem adequate (masks are required and no one sits next to each other) so I'm alright with this.
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Jingle.son and I are hitting the Drive In closest to us (about 30 minutes away) on Tuesday night.
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Total mind fuck. Won't post any spoilers, as I'm not sure when the bulk of interested people are actually going to be able to see this.
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COUPLE OF SPOILERS !!!! ( Also potential plot holes... )
1. Ok - When The Protagonist gets inverted the first time - he drives a car yet R. Patz says that Fire freezes in Inverted time - so fuel should not even ignite and he shouldn't be able to drive.
You could argue that it's only The Protagonist that is inverted and not the car - but the fire which Sator creates from the leaking fuel ignites at first then freezes.
2. The indian arms dealer ( Priya? ) said that you should never interact with your inverted self as it would be catastrophic... HOWEVER - she may have been lying in the hope that
The Protagonist never inverted as she knew he would go on to form TENET.
3. So - when you invert - you can't simply select a date like a normal fictional movie time machine - you literally reverse time for you at that point and you literally
have to live time in reverse until your desired time and then un-invert ?
I have a few more but on the whole I liked it a lot - really cool vibe. The score was creepy as shit and the visuals were nice. I'm definitely going again. :-)
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Seeing this in an hour so I didn't read your post David, but I'll get back here after that and post my thoughts/discuss it with you guys.
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Okay I loved this. I had high expectations but this movie blew them out of the water. I didn't fully understand what's going on in some moments but overall I thought this was fantastic. The movie is also cinematic as hell, Nolan really knows how to do this. The final sequence is just incredible. Man, I wish I could rewatch it right now. Recommended it to all of my IRL friends as soon as it was over.
I'll probably go see it again which is something I never usually do.
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Okay I loved this. I had high expectations but this movie blew them out of the water. I didn't fully understand what's going on in some moments but overall I thought this was fantastic. The movie is also cinematic as hell, Nolan really knows how to do this. The final sequence is just incredible. Man, I wish I could rewatch it right now. Recommended it to all of my IRL friends as soon as it was over.
I'll probably go see it again which is something I never usually do.
It's definitely the kind of move that needs to be re-watched multiple times if there is any hope in 'getting' the sequences involving inversion. I'm still mind-fucked trying to piece it together.
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For sure. I think I'll take this opportunity to discover more theaters that are showing it with the original English audio. The cinema theater I usually go to is pretty far from my home, maybe I'll be able to find something closer to where I live.
I wanted to rewind back like 10 times during the movie.
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I wanted to rewind back like 10 times during the movie.
Didn’t the movie do that for you?
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Ok I just got home from my second viewing!!!!
[SPOILERS OBVIOUSLY]
Ok so I could follow the story a lot better second time and it was much more rewarding. I was wrong about Priya saying you should never interact with your inverted self - it was just
one of the TENET soldiers. But my point stands. Why set up that Chekovs Gun and never show it ? Did she mean basically skin on skin - since The Protagonist fought himself whilst wearing
full body armour and gloves etc... Or was The Protagonist bleeding later in the film because he interacted with himself ?
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I interpreted it as skin on skin interaction.
Also going to see it for the second time tomorrow.
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Why set that up and never show it ?! :-\
It reminds me of the first time I saw Inception and they mentioned that Limbo was completely chaotic and laws of physics didn't apply etc and I was really excited to see it
cause I imagined it to be all kinds of nightmarish like an Escher painting.
Nah. A beach and a few buildings.
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It reminds me of the first time I saw Inception and they mentioned that Limbo was completely chaotic and laws of physics didn't apply etc and I was really excited to see it
cause I imagined it to be all kinds of nightmarish like an Escher painting.
Nah. A beach and a few buildings.
That's a good point and I remember mentioning it to my friends a few years ago too.
I'm okay with it in Tenet. Not everything has to matter, in my opinion, although it would've been nice to see it in action.
Man I'm excited to see it again.
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Nolan is one of those writers though where everything is important.
Ken Brannagh at one point even says " pay attention to all the details " pretty much directly to the audience.
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Nolan is one of those writers though where everything is important.
Ken Brannagh at one point even says " pay attention to all the details " pretty much directly to the audience.
I missed that.
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Just saw it. Cool concept, but very poorly executed and very poorly explained. It was a very ambitious and thought provoking concept that ended up being convoluted.
I had barley any idea what was going on from beginning to end. The pacing was all over the place jumping rapid fire from one plot point to the next. Nothing had time to breath or develop.
Nobody I was with, including myself could understand what they hell anybody was saying. Either the dialogue was mixed low, actors were mumbling or the accents were overboard.
I like Nolan films in general, but Tenet was a mis-fire.
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I thought this was really cool and I enjoyed it :)
I could basically follow everything and caught some great details in the film as well. You really needed to keep paying attention, because there was so much going on.
The sounds (both music and FX's) were way too loud though, to the point of almost physically hurting my ears. May have been the cinema's fault, not the film's, but thought I'd mention it anyway.
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I love the track FREEPORT from the soundtrack.
In this film it's like he told Hoytema to make the cinematography a bit more like Wally Pfister and told the new composer to make a score like Hans Zimmer.
I love the score and the cinematography is great - but I would have loved Wally Pfister and Hans Zimmer :)
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I didn't like the movie. Reminded me of Inception, but it was even worse. Also that fucking soundtrack..
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I didn't like the movie. Reminded me of Inception, but it was even worse. Also that fucking soundtrack..
Everything you said is wrong.
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The sounds (both music and FX's) were way too loud though, to the point of almost physically hurting my ears. May have been the cinema's fault, not the film's, but thought I'd mention it anyway.
Considering that every recent Nolan film had that same complaint, I’ll assume it’s the films fault.
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It's the only recent Nolan film I've actually seen in a cinema, so that might be it too.
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:laugh: :laugh: My Blu Ray arrived this morning !!!
I know what I'm watching tonight last night !!!!
With subtitles on as well ;D
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I watched the 75 minute Making Of... Which came with the Blu Ray and all the confusing inversion set pieces like the Freeport / 747 scene and the highway chase scenes
Were all animated in Pre-Vis in advance with where each character was - and what he was doing in which time frame... SO they could make sure everything made sense.
They said almost every time they got confused about a shot - they had to consult the software as what they had in their minds didn't work out logically.
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Also - The Actors all had to learn how to talk, walk and run backwards so that when the film was reversed - they were normal and everything else went in reverse.
Ken Brannagh even had to learn his lines backwards in a Russian accent. Method!!!
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Finally - for the Freeport fight between two Protagonists - John David had to shoot the fight 4 times.
Once forwards - Once backwards ( as his normal self from the inverted Protagonists POV )
and twice more for the Masked up Protagonist.
Outstanding.
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Oh, the blu-ray is out already? I need to get it. Definitely want to watch the making of documentary at least, and wouldn't mind a rewatch of the movie too. For all the hate it got on reddit, I still really liked the movie.
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Everyone clamours for an original Hollywood movie made by that one visionary director and when they get one - they hate on it.
Red Letter Media keep banging on about " We need more Hollywood movies that arent remakes or reboots written and directed by one person "
Then they refuse to see Tenet and remind everyone they've not seen it in every episode. I really don't understand the problem.
Now they're pointing and laughing at it being a "flop" when it came out in a year when nobody COULD go to see it.
Why do people hate Nolan so much ? I don't get it.
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Anyway - I love it to bits - it MAY be my favourite Nolan movie. If not - joint first with Inception. I watched it last night and I could watch it again tonight - easily.
Also i've never seen his first big film - Insomnia ? I need to see that ASAP.
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Just watched this. Gah! My tiny brain!
Need to watch it at least a couple more times.
But I was hugely impressed. Nice to see something original and out-there.
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It's impressive on a technical level but I enjoyed it slightly less the second time than the first. I get the Inception comparisons because it's the closest film to compare it to within Nolan's filmography but I think that one had more of an emotional core with Leo and the death of his wife, this one kinda lacks that. I like the actors in Tenet and they all give enjoyable-to-watch performances but the characters just feel really hollow.
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I've read that - but to me it's like any Bond film. Bad guy has plot. 007 has no back story to speak of. Nobody cares that floozy #45 has no gravitas.
But I love the film so much - i think it might be my fave Nolan film. At least joint 1st with Inception.
I enjoyed it way more than Interstellar too - which is weird cause the synopsis for that film made it sound like it was made exactly for me. but it wasn't quite what I hoped.
I usually love Nolan's epilogues - but the final scene of Interstellar just felt like an info dump and rushed.
Dunkirk was good but I need to see it again.
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I think the Bond comparisons are fair and if that's what we are measuring Tenet against, I do agree it stacks up pretty good and is as good as any of the recent Bond films (if not slightly better than most of them). But yeah overall in his filmography it doesn't match Memento, Inception or The Prestige for me. I think I would also put Batman Begins and The Dark Knight above it. Dunkirk seems to be the one people 'forgot' the fastest but I think it's actually pretty solid. It's one of his shorter films and it doesn't drag and even though I don't care for war movies that much, Dunkirk was one of the better ones I've seen in recent years. I'd put Tenet above Following and The Dark Knight Rises (which has some great stuff but is just very long and bloated). Insomnia is one I need to revisit because it's been years but from what I remember that one is great and would be higher, and the only one that's left is Interstellar which similar to Tenet has some amazing stuff but also drags in parts.
One disappointing thing with Tenet just for my own enjoyment is that I did not enjoy the final big setpiece at all. Random 'village' out in the desert with kinda generic shootout and it just did not stack up at all to the highway chase, the airport sequence or the concert hall at the start. I would say even The Dark Knight Rises had a stronger third act for me. But yeah Tenet was still a pretty solid 7.5 or 8 out of 10 for me.
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I think Chris definitely lost something when he parted with Wally Pfister. Tenet has really great cinematography but Interstellar and Dunkirk were kinda bland looking.
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One thing he does which I like is when 2 characters are talking and one of them asks a question and then it cuts to them in a different location carrying on the same conversation
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Like in Interstellar - Caine asks Coop if " he noticed anything about the shape of the building ? " then cut to them outside looking at the building etc...
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Saw it and I liked it. I think I got a good grasp at the film and don't need a rewatch or anything. His other high-concept films tend to focus more on laying out the rules and explaning matters, but I wasn't lost or anything. Contrary to many Nolan critics though, I tend to enjoy exposition if it is done well and shows a well thought out world.
Anyways, the actors were great, the film looked great, the soundtrack was ace and I enjoyed the plot. And I definitely got a bit of a Bond feeling. Pacing was a bit off and I did not care a lot for some of the personal stories (perhaps due to the pacing). But overall a good film for sure.
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Saw it. It was nice but it felt waaaay too complicated.... is Nolan too overachiever, the equivalent of a needlesly complicated prog wanker, or am I too dumb to understand his movies? ;D
I mean, if you watch Inception once, maybe you don't grasp all the fine details to the point that you can host a lecture about the movie, but you get it. Maybe further viewings smooth some things and help you understand details even better, but you get what Inception is about and how the dream world works.
With Tenet I had to give up halfway through and by the final battle I was just along for the ride, I feel that the entire first watching is just a rehearsal for watching it again.
Fun fact since I'm too way behind Nolan to offer big insights on the movie.... when they needed to cast Kat, they probably thought "we need someone to play a trophy wife with a heart of gold and stuck in a loveless marriage to a rich criminal asshole because of the son, who should we get?" - and then they watched The Night Manager and cast an actress that in that show plays a trophy wife with a heart of gold and stuck in a loveless marriage to a rich criminal asshole because of the son ;D she's seriously the same character, and now she's gonna play Diana in The Crown which isn't really the same thing, but close enough :D
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It took about five or six viewings of TENET before I understood it all.
Here's how I visualise reverse ammo in my head
TIME MOVING FORWARDS
You shoot a bullet into a wall - - - - - > The bullet will "always be there" - until removed or the hole is fixed...
TIME MOVING BACKWARDS
The bullet hole in the wall has 'always just been there' - - - - - - - - - > until someone shoots the bullet into the wall going forwards.
To someone who is inverted - the bullet hole will just always be there and always will until un-fired into a gun. I don't think that the bullet hole just appears as soon as the ammo is
inverted but i've not thought about it that much.
Also - at the opera - when Neil runs past The Protagonist and un-shoots a bullet into a gun. The only way I can rationalise this in my head is - if he ran past Protagonist,
fired the gun intending to shoot the bullet through the SWAT guy into the wall - but since the ammo and probably gun too - were both inverted - IT APPEARED to run backwards
to US. ( Neil was not inverted in that scene as after that - he runs down the stairs forwards, not backwards ).
:)
Finally - the interrogation scene at Freeport in Tallinn - it confused me for AGES - how - you see Sator invert and leave the Freeport with Kat - but then TENET show up and Kat is still in there.
Then I realised that when Sator is about to shoot the Prot - TENET burst in and Sator escapes a few seconds into the past. So from TENETs POV he vanishes as theyre still moving forwards.
Sator emereges a few seconds into the past on the blue side and interrogates ( a now backwards Protagonist ) - BUT - because Kat herself was NOT inverted.. She is STILL IN THAT ROOM
in the present - for TENET to rescue. :)
I might watch it again as I didn't fully realise that literally after Protagonist inverts and causes the car crash he witnesses on the Freeway - the film then goes backwards all the way
to Sators yacht in Vietnam - which happens the exact same time as the battle at Stalsk 12 ( which Michael Caine tells Prot about in the beginning ) AND the Opera siege.
So the film starts and ends at the same place.
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Oppenheimer trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK6ldnjE3Y0
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Oppenheimer trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK6ldnjE3Y0
Yeah, I am absolutely stoked for Oppenheimer.