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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: Stadler on October 15, 2019, 01:41:58 PM
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Judas Priest
MC5
Motörhead
Nine Inch Nails
Soundgarden
T.Rex
Thin Lizzy
Notorious B.I.G.
Whitney Houston
Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Depeche Mode
The Dobbie Brothers
Kraftwerk
Rufus Featuring Chaka Khan
Todd Rundgren
I'm assuming that's the "Doobie Brothers", and not the side project from the elf from Harry Potter.
DMB, and Soundgarden are givens, as is Whitney Houston. So you have fans of either Priest, Motorhead or Lizzy (if not all three) that are going to be disappointed.
I thought this was interesting:
"According to Rolling Stone (via blabbermouth.net) the Hall Of Fame has also announced the individual members of each band that will be inducted. Les Binks, K.K. Downing, Rob Halford, Ian Hill, Dave Holland, Glenn Tipton and Scott Travis are on the ballot for Judas Priest. Trent Reznor will accept the honor alone should Nine Inch Nails get in. Motörhead are represented by Ian “Lemmy” Kilmister, “Fast” Eddie Clarke and Phil “Philthy Animal” Taylor, while T.Rex members Marc Bolan, Mickey Finn, Steve Currie, Bill Legend were selected and Thin Lizzy will be represented by Phil Lynott, Brian Downey, Eric Bell, Scott Gorham and Brian Robertson."
Good showing for Priest, but the rest just raises more questions. Jeff Coffin and Rashawn Ross of the current DMB are in, but reminiscent of the Sabbath (Dio, Cozy Powell) and Kiss (Eric Carr, Bruce Kulick) inductions, one has to wonder what Phil Campbell and Mickey Dee did to piss people off as they were in the band far longer than Eddie Clarke and Phil Taylor, and Gary Moore and John Sykes have a legit claim (if Reeves Gabrels got in with The Cure, then...).
Even when they do right, they do it so half-assed.
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Soundgarden should never make it in before Judas Priest.
Dave Matthews should never make it in before the Doobies.
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Thin Lizzy should never make it in ever.
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Thin Lizzy should never make it in ever.
I'm not saying they should, but considering some of the acts that have made it, you could make the case. Again, the Hall Of Fame, or the Hall Of Very Good. They wouldn't be the only one hit wonder in there.
But feel free to crap on them... :\
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Soundgarden should never make it in before Judas Priest.
Dave Matthews should never make it in before the Doobies.
I don't disagree with you even a little bit, except there's the little problem of all the acts that are in before all four of them (starting with Laura Nyro, Green Day, Radiohead...)
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Soundgarden should never make it in before Judas Priest.
ftfy
DMB, and Soundgarden are givens, as is Whitney Houston.
I sure as heck hope that it is not a given that a woman who never in her life sang a rock and roll song will get into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (yeah, yeah, I know...).
Benatar and MC5 should be givens, with the Doobies, DMB and Priest probably being at the next level.
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Soundgarden should never make it in before Judas Priest.
Dave Matthews should never make it in before the Doobies.
I don't disagree with you even a little bit, except there's the little problem of all the acts that are in before all four of them (starting with Laura Nyro, Green Day, Radiohead...)
Radiohead is in? Wow.
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Soundgarden should never make it in before Judas Priest.
ftfy
If Nirvana and Pearl Jam are in, so should Soundgarden. Those other bands don't exist without Soundgarden.
DMB, and Soundgarden are givens, as is Whitney Houston.
I sure as heck hope that it is not a given that a woman who never in her life sang a rock and roll song will get into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (yeah, yeah, I know...).
Benatar and MC5 should be givens, with the Doobies, DMB and Priest probably being at the next level.
Eh, I don't know about that. I like both those acts, but I struggle to understand how those two are in and Phil Collins, Robert Fripp and Iron Maiden are standing around watching from the outside in. They aren't even NOMINATED. Whitney's not rock (neither is LL Cool J or Laura Nyro) but she's at least iconic.
"And I-e-i-e-i-e-iiiiiiiiiii, will always lo-ove you-ooooooooooooooooooo!"
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Nirvana shouldn't be in anyway. One hit wonder...and I like them.
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Thin Lizzy should never make it in ever.
I'm not saying they should, but considering some of the acts that have made it, you could make the case. Again, the Hall Of Fame, or the Hall Of Very Good. They wouldn't be the only one hit wonder in there.
But feel free to crap on them... :\
It's no fun crapping on them if you are going to pout instead of playing along. :P
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But I can't play along. They are literally one of my favorite bands, but I'm also not going to sit here and say they should be in the RnR HOF.
But the RnR HOF is such a fucking joke. One hit wonders. So many get in. How many times did you hear The Boys Are Back In Town watching football on Sunday?
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Why should we care whose in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame anyway? It's like the Grammys. We don't really care about these awards and recognitions for the most part of the year and when it does come, all I see in the rock outlets is everyone bitching and crying why so and so band is not in it. It's never really a positive aura to read. Also, when a certain band do get nominated, certain members are not part of the induction which causes more people to cry about it anyway. It's like Cry Me a River (just watch, in eight years, the Hall of Fame going to induct Justin Timberlake somehow and let everyone continue whining anyway).
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Look, for better or worse I care, at least nominally. I don't lose sleep over it, but I'm not really into the whole "they don't like my music so fuck them, who needs 'em" approach, so I enjoy talking about it.
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I can honestly say I have never heard of MC5 in my life.
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At least that asshole Jann Wenner is correcting his fuck up. Read about what he said early on about Rush getting into the hall.
His prejudice is well documented.
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There's four particularly bad ones (biased ones):
Jann Wenner
Seymour Stine (look how many Sire Records acts are in there)
Jon "Mrs. Bruce Springsteen" Landau
Dave "Kiss will never get in over my dead body" Marsh (but who would vote for Springsteen's cat to get in)
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I voted for:
Nine Inch Nails
Pat Benatar
Todd Rundgren
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If I could vote:
Judas Priest
Motörhead
Soundgarden
Whitney Houston
Kraftwerk
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If I could vote:
Judas Priest
Motörhead
Soundgarden
Whitney Houston
Kraftwerk
You CAN vote. I voted.
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This is the biggest joke of a HOF. It makes no sense. Sometimes its fun to follow out of curiosity, but it's such a joke for me to take seriously and actually debate or even bother voting. I love when Howard Stern talks about it.
I saw Iron Maiden was a popular fan choice in some poll, but I guess that wasn't enough to get a nomination. They are the only band I want to see get in just so Bruce can tell them to piss off at the ceremony.
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here's at least a Percentage of the Nomination Committee who decides who gets on the ballot.
Dave Marsh is gone, and Wenner is no longer the chairman, John Sykes is (not the John Sykes from Whitesnake). But this year's ballot likely still reflected Wenner being the chairman,
As you can see by that link and the lists year-by-year, it's mostly the same people year-after-year.
THEY NEED TO KICK OFF AT LEAST 1/2 OF THAT GROUP.
Anthony DeCurtis, per what my wife mentioned to me, HATES The Monkees. That guy should be BOOTED today.
https://www.futurerocklegends.com/Nominating_Committee.php
Sandy Alouete
Holly George-Warren
Amy Linden
James Bernard
Meg Griffin
Tom Morello
Nathan Brackett
Dave Grohl
Amanda Petrusich
Cliff Burnstein
Greg Harris
Robbie Robertson
Anthony DeCurtis
Mike Kaufman
Paul Shaffer
Reginald C. Dennis
Lenny Kaye
Seymour Stein
David Dorn
Rick Krim
John Sykes
Bill Flanagan
Jon Landau
Ahmir "?uestlove" Thompson
David Fricke
Alan Light
Steven Van Zandt
Elysa Gardner
Rob Light
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I find it funny that Tom Morello is on the committee, but RATM is not in the Hall of Fame as far as I know. Granted, they should have become eligible starting in 2017, but still.
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Dave Marsh is a stain (by that, I mean his narrow-mindedness as a music critic is embarrassing). Can't stand that guy (though I have to be fair: I listened to a podcast with him about a year or so ago, and while I forget what it was exactly about, it was remarkably fair and reasoned).
I could live with an honest-to-goodness difference of opinion - Priest v. Maiden, for example, or Soundgarden v. Pearl Jam v. Nirvana. But some of the egregiousness and favoritism is just... plus, I know most here don't agree with me, but so be it, I think there's a political angle to this. If you're one of Jann's west coast liberal buddies, you're in! If you're not, well, sorry. I have a sneaking suspicion some of the perceived misogyny associated with metal is a part of the constant snubs (I know, I know: G'n'R doesn't fit that, and I have no explanation for that, to be honest, except that Slash has become a sort of music industry darling).
Ronnie Dio, man. And Phil Collins. There's not a reason on the PLANET that Phil Collins isn't in as a solo artist. One of three people to sell 100 million records as a solo artist and a band member, for a while there the biggest draw on the planet, sought-out producer, played in/on prog, metal, jazz, pop, folk, rock, orchestral/soundtracks, and alternative bands... drummed for Zeppelin, Plant, Tull, Gabriel, Sting, Clapton, Harrison, Eno, Anni-Frid, Howard Jones, Tears For Fears. His drum sound was the sound of a generation, and influenced subsequent generations.
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Soundgarden should never make it in before Judas Priest.
ftfy
If Nirvana and Pearl Jam are in, so should Soundgarden. Those other bands don't exist without Soundgarden.
I won't debate the speculation, but I'm with TAC: Nirvana shouldn't be in, and I think Pearl Jam was an iffy choice. Can most folks name any song not on Ten?
Eh, I don't know about that. I like both those acts [Benatar and MC5], but I struggle to understand how those two are in and Phil Collins, Robert Fripp and Iron Maiden are standing around watching from the outside in. They aren't even NOMINATED. Whitney's not rock (neither is LL Cool J or Laura Nyro) but she's at least iconic.
I don't get a vote, but they need to stop putting non-rock acts in. Just because they made bad decisions in the past doesn't mean they should continue doing so (or at least have an annex or separate wing and vote on those acts separately).
And I don't like the argument that Artist X shouldn't get in because Artist Y is more deserving but isn't in yet.
Pat Benatar belongs in without question.
I could see an argument that MC5 shouldn't get in.
Collins as a solo artist is iffy, IMO, because a lot of his biggest stuff is more pop than rock (i.e., closer to the work of Madonna and Whitney Houston), but I won't be bothered if he gets in as a solo artist.
Fripp? Except as a member of KC, no way he belongs in.
It's hard for me to evaluate Maiden without fan bias. They unquestionably belong in a metal HOF, and I'd probably put them in if it were my choice, but I don't know. They never had mass appeal (a la Metallica or Def Leppard (the latter of whom shouldn't be in)), and they were a second-generation band. On the other hand, a lot of what they did was significantly influential on bands that started in the decade-plus following the 80s. If I buy into the argument that Artist Y needs to get in before Artist X, I'd say Ozzy solo and Priest get in before Maiden (even though I personally like Maiden the best of those three). On the other hand, since Leppard is in, it's hard to argue that Maiden shouldn't be in.
the RnR HOF is such a fucking joke.
Yup.
I saw Iron Maiden was a popular fan choice in some poll, but I guess that wasn't enough to get a nomination. They are the only band I want to see get in just so Bruce can tell them to take a piss off at the ceremony.
ftfy :biggrin:
I think I maybe know 2-3 names on that nominating committee list.
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And I don't like the argument that Artist X shouldn't get in because Artist Y is more deserving but isn't in yet.
Well, it sounds like you're more discerning... there's nothing wrong with that.
But I kind of think you're soft-pedalling Collins a little bit. It's not heavy metal, to be sure, but you'd be hard pressed to say he's less "rock" than some of David Gilmour's solo stuff (not in), or some of the work by the Eagles (in, of course), Gabriel (in, of course), Sting (not in), Jackson Browne (in), CSN (in), and others. Plus his drum sound influenced a ton of other artists. If Ringo Starr is in for HIS solo career, then they have some answering to do for Collins, Gilmour, and Sting.
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Soundgarden should never make it in before Judas Priest.
Dave Matthews should never make it in before the Doobies.
I don't disagree with you even a little bit, except there's the little problem of all the acts that are in before all four of them (starting with Laura Nyro, Green Day, Radiohead...)
The fuck?!
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Soundgarden should never make it in before Judas Priest.
Dave Matthews should never make it in before the Doobies.
I don't disagree with you even a little bit, except there's the little problem of all the acts that are in before all four of them (starting with Laura Nyro, Green Day, Radiohead...)
The fuck?!
"The fuck?!" as in, "what are those jokers and wanna-bees doing in there?" or "The fuck?!" as in, "how dare you compare my favorite band, the Rush of pop-punk, with the cheese of Laura Nyro and the noise of Radiohead"?
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Soundgarden should never make it in before Judas Priest.
Dave Matthews should never make it in before the Doobies.
I don't disagree with you even a little bit, except there's the little problem of all the acts that are in before all four of them (starting with Laura Nyro, Green Day, Radiohead...)
The fuck?!
"The fuck?!" as in, "what are those jokers and wanna-bees doing in there?" or "The fuck?!" as in, "how dare you compare my favorite band, the Rush of pop-punk, with the cheese of Laura Nyro and the noise of Radiohead"?
I've always hated Green Day, and I don't get the appeal of Radiohead. I don't know who Laura Nyro is.
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They're not going to because people in power never do anything logical, but they should change the name to "Music Hall of Fame", to shut the mouths of those who nitpick over genre.
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pg, I can name songs from every Pearl Jam album. Not sure where you think no one follow them.
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I don't have any problem with Pearl Jam going in.
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Laura Nyro was a confessional singer-songwriter from the early seventies. I'm probably showing my bias here, but she was a protege of David Geffen, dated Jackson Browne (one of "Wenner's west coast liberal buddies") and was a particular influence of Patti Smith (another grossly over-rated member of the RnRHoF, but much celebrated by the hipsters, including REM, Springsteen, and U2).
Though Paul Stanley has often said he greatly admires her (she was around NYC in the years before Kiss hit it big, when Paul and Gene were still in an early version of Wicked Lester, Rainbow.)
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Just read that only Lemmy, Taylor and Eddie are nominated and not Mikkey and Phil despited them being in the band for 25 years...
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Just read that only Lemmy, Taylor and Eddie are nominated and not Mikkey and Phil despited them being in the band for 25 years...
Make that 35 years for Phil!
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You can almost tell the bands that are nominated because of the fandom of the bulk of the committee, and those that are a sop to public opinion.
Sabbath, Kiss, Motorhead: the bare minimum; original/classic members only.
Springsteen's band gets their OWN NOD, standalone (despite never having recorded an album by themselves), the Dead get their LYRICIST in there (deserved, by the way) as well as Donna Godchaux and all five of their keyboard players (one of whom never appeared on a contemporaneous album, if I'm not mistaken), and The Cure gets their touring guitarist (Reeves Gabrels) in.
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But I kind of think you're soft-pedalling Collins a little bit. It's not heavy metal, to be sure, but you'd be hard pressed to say he's less "rock" than some of David Gilmour's solo stuff (not in), or some of the work by the Eagles (in, of course), Gabriel (in, of course), Sting (not in), Jackson Browne (in), CSN (in), and others. Plus his drum sound influenced a ton of other artists. If Ringo Starr is in for HIS solo career, then they have some answering to do for Collins, Gilmour, and Sting.
There's a lot of inconsistency there, which is a huge problem with the RRHOF. Without thinking about it too much, of the names mentioned here, I feel like the Eagles and CSN should be in, Sting, Gabriel and Collins are wobblers, and none of the others (particularly including Starr) should be in.
I've always hated Green Day, and I don't get the appeal of Radiohead. I don't know who Laura Nyro is.
There's no good reason for Green Day or Radiohead to be in. I remember the year Laura Nyro got in. I read her name on the list of nominees and read who she was. As I sit here right now, I can't recall who she was except that she had some connection with Jackson Browne (in, but shouldn't be).
pg, I can name songs from every Pearl Jam album. Not sure where you think no one follow them.
It would be better if you critiqued what I actually wrote than what I didn't write. I don't think -- and didn't write -- that "no one [follows] them." What I wrote was a question: "Can most folks name any song not on Ten?" I'm quite confident that a healthy percentage (and perhaps a significant majority) of folks who post here can name songs not on Ten. That's why I phrased the question as I did. That being said, I realize that my question isn't really answerable. Nor is it the be all and end all of the legitimacy of PJ's inclusion in the RRHOF. But I think it's a big part of it.
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Using this site as an example is a poor choice. They have a huge following. You're just outside of that world.
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Reading some of the posts in this thread I feel like I’m in an alternate universe where Radiohead have only released Pablo Honey.
They’re one of the most critically acclaimed bands of all time, that’s one of the many reasons why they’re in there.
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Reading some of the posts in this thread I feel like I’m in an alternate universe where Radiohead have only released Pablo Honey.
They’re one of the most critically acclaimed bands of all time, that’s one of the many reasons why they’re in there.
Right? This again points to me saying this forum is not the barometer for the RnRHOF.
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I've literally never heard a single Radiohead song.
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I've literally never heard a single Radiohead song.
Then that makes your "Radiohead is in? Wow” post pretty stupid. I mean how can you be shocked a band is considered great when you’ve never heard any of their music? And don’t say if they really were a great band you would’ve heard atleast one of their songs, most people have never heard a Dream Theater song.
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Why would it make the post stupid?
Hey look, man, I've got nothing against Radiohead. But for some sort of Music HOF, I don't know, I think I would somehow know something by them.
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Why would it make the post stupid?
Hey look, man, I've got nothing against Radiohead. But for some sort of Music HOF, I don't know, I think I would somehow know something by them.
I edited my post.
Also pretty normal for someone who doesn’t really seek out non-metal/hard rock music not to know anything by a non-metal/hard rock band.
I personally seek out all kinds of music, but I haven’t heard quite a few artists in the RnRHOF.
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I've never heard Little Richard, but I don't need to to know he's great or was influential.
And yes, I'm a hard rock/metal guy, so I obviously run in different circles than Radioheads. I guess I'm shocked to find out that they are so popular and influential, and have been around long enough to be considered for the RnR HOF. I've never encountered anything about them in any way. I didn't realize they have had such a great impact.
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I've never heard Little Richard, but I don't need to to know he's great or was influential.
And yes, I'm a hard rock/metal guy, so I obviously run in different circles than Radioheads. I guess I'm shocked to find out that they are so popular and influential, and have been around long enough to be considered for the RnR HOF. I've never encountered anything about them in any way. I didn't realize they have had such a great impact.
You’ve probably heard their song Creep without knowing it was them at some point. It’s their most popular song but one of their weakest as far as I’m concerned.
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Gonna Spotify it now...Nope..I can't place it.
I see that's a 1993 release. In 1993, my ears were pretty open, as MTV was still playing music.
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Tim, this goes to my theory that you were buried in a time capsule for over a decade. :lol
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That's ain't no theory, man.
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2F736x%2F8a%2F8a%2F70%2F8a8a7042be88784068616742c2ed4755.jpg&hash=2f8d0bf0c0f566816b2d614dd0603ea5991d591b)
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I'm kind of with Tim on this one, though.
There's "critically acclaimed" and "critically acclaimed", though. Bob Dylan and Little Richard are "critically acclaimed", even if people don't spend a ton of time listening actively to the new Little Richard album. But they also influenced a ton of bands (including, for both of them, the Beatles), they changed the way rock was perceived and listened to, they spoke to and about an entire generation, they helped create/refine entire genres. they displayed a proficiency at their craft and/or instruments...
Then there's "critically acclaimed" where it's cool to say "hey I saw them deliver a killer set at Coachella". I'd give Radiohead a LOT more credit if they generated RnRHoF buzz over a period of years as we saw more and more bands influenced by them, as their music saturated the zeitgeist, etc. etc. But no, they were second-ballot inductees. Their legacy? Maybe I'll give you "innovative album releases". I have OK Computer, Kid A, Amnesiac, and Hail To The Thief, and other than the politics of the last one, I'm just not seeing it, OR hearing it in other acts (MAYBE Coldplay, at least in the vocals). I saw them open for... I think it was U2 and honestly, it left zero impression (and I'm more than fine sharing that a band that I don't listen to would be good live, like The Cure.)
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I just never realized they were such a thing. I mean, they've let a lot of bands in based on such short time success, or one hit wonders (GnR, Nirvana, JJ& The Blackhearts).
Yes, I am hard rock. But it seems inconceivable that it took Deep Purple, Rush, and Van Halen so long to get in, yet GnR? No problem. What a fucking joke. Nirvana? No problem. Seriously, Stadler, you suck for even starting this thread. I'm getting too pissed off! :lol
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But they also influenced a ton of bands (including, for both of them, the Beatles), they changed the way rock was perceived and listened to, they spoke to and about an entire generation, they helped create/refine entire genres. they displayed a proficiency at their craft and/or instruments...
You could say a few of those things about Radiohead too honestly. Influence + proficiency at their craft and instruments (they might not shred but they are/were instrumentally innovative) definitely.
I mean if they were so bad surely they wouldn’t have 3 albums in the top 10 highest rated albums of all time on the biggest music rating site: https://rateyourmusic.com/customchart (https://rateyourmusic.com/customchart)
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Nicko, chill dude. No one has said they were "so bad".
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Nicko, you're dealing with old farts. :lol
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I don't give two craps about any band being critically acclaimed (critics can F off), but Radiohead has been pretty huge for most of the last 25+ years. They are one of those bands where they almost never have hits, yet their albums sell a ton and their concerts are always packed. Great band, one of my newer favorites.
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Take that you old bastards. :lol
Drop the newspaper, go on Netscape and find out who they are.
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Hey Tim................even I know the song "Creep". :biggrin: It reminds me of my university days (92-95) when every band that I loved was summarily removed from the radio and replaced with stuff like Creep , Under The Bridge , Zombie and Smells Like Teen Spirit. I don't mind SLTS but most of the rest..................uggh :)
I heard Under The Bridge so many times back then that I grew to hate it with a passion and to this day it turns my stomach .
Yeah - I'm an old bastard too - just not as old (or as much of a bastard) as Tim. :lol
I haven't followed the RRHoF for ages ..........once I saw some of the artists that were getting in (not so much the 90's rock bands but bands that aren't even in the ballpark of being "rock") I just switched off.
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The idea that someone exists who never heard Creep is deeply mind blowing to me.
It reminds me of the first time I met someone who had never seen Star Wars.
That song was everywhere when it came out.
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I just listened to Creep. I can't say I've never heard it in my lifetime, but nothing about it sounded familiar at all. I could not name another Radiohead song off the top of my head.
I think I get them confused with Coldplay. Which is weird since I cannot name one of their songs either.
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The idea that someone exists who never heard Creep is deeply mind blowing to me.
It reminds me of the first time I met someone who had never seen Star Wars.
That song was everywhere when it came out.
Was it Chino?
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T-Rex shoud have been a lock ages ago, but that's just me being a ponce.
Radiohead should be inside the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame for the same exact reasons Pete Rose should be inside the Baseball Hall of Fame. I may consider them unbearable rubbish, but I can't deny historical relevance where it's due. Fame is fame.
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But they also influenced a ton of bands (including, for both of them, the Beatles), they changed the way rock was perceived and listened to, they spoke to and about an entire generation, they helped create/refine entire genres. they displayed a proficiency at their craft and/or instruments...
You could say a few of those things about Radiohead too honestly. Influence + proficiency at their craft and instruments (they might not shred but they are/were instrumentally innovative) definitely.
I mean if they were so bad surely they wouldn’t have 3 albums in the top 10 highest rated albums of all time on the biggest music rating site: https://rateyourmusic.com/customchart (https://rateyourmusic.com/customchart)
You COULD say them, but I'm not sure it would be justified by the facts.
Look, we - I - started this with a diatribe (yes I admit, that's what it was) about Phil Collins. The dude has sold 100 million albums ALL BY HIMSELF. In America only, No Jacket has sold 12 MILLION alone. Face Value, 5 million, Hello, 3 million, and But Seriously, 4 million. In the UK, NJR and ...BS alone are about 4.5 million.
The highest selling Radiohead record - OK Computer - is 2 million. Rough math (very rough) has ALL their records combined at about 7 million total. (In the UK, about 4.5 million total).
There is no "Radiohead [insert instrument] sound". You ask metal, rap, country fans what the "Phil Collins drum sound" is, and they know. MY MOTHER knows "In The Air Tonight". I think the "TAC data point" is relevant, because to a degree, the ability of an artist to transcend genres is important. The Beatles are the Beatles, because EVERYONE knows at least one Beatles song, and for good reason.
And as for that list, I put zero stock in it (we've talked about it here before). I love Floyd, to the point that I'm almost a discography completist (yes, even the big 'ole Early Years box set) but to have a top ten list that has three Radiohead and two Floyd albums, and ZERO Beatles, Zeppelin, Dylan, Hendrix, Stones, Who or Queen albums is on it's face suspect.
Look, it's all friendly discussion. If they are your favorite band, I'm sorry, it's not personal. They might actually belong in the Hall for all I know (and for all my judgement is worth). But I just feel there are outside forces at work when they are second ballot while legendary artists, genre-creating artists (and artists that influenced Radiohead themselves) sit outside. It's a crying - literally - shame that Chris Squire and Jon Lord didn't get to experience their honor, because of billshot personal crap from the nominating committee, and Radiohead gets the benefit of the doubt, in my opinion as much for their politics and attitude as their music.
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Stads, you know who chair the board of the RnRHOF? There's a reason just in the last 5 years bands we listen to are just getting in.
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I don’t even care for Radiohead that much. I didn’t own any of their albums until my friend who owned a record store died and I inherited a ton of his music. I listened to OK Computer a couple times and immediately thought “OH! So this is where every other band for the next 10 years got that sound.” But I don’t revisit it very often.
But even then, I can’t deny their influence. Everyone talked about that album. I didn’t hear it until 10 years after it came out, but I had been hearing everyone in the business singing its praises constantly for all that time. It just seemed to be one of those albums that people continue talking about long after it drops off the charts.
I may not be a fan, but I would never question their induction. Their influence is deep on a Elvis Costello type of level.
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You'd be right if U2 didn't already release those sounds in 1991 (Achtung Baby!) and 1993 (Zooropa), and updating them through '95-'97 (Pop).
I do hear some later influence - Keane, Travis - but those seemed to flame out pretty quickly.
I just read quotes like this (about Paranoid Android): "Bassist Colin Greenwood said the band "felt like irresponsible schoolboys ... nobody does a six-and-a-half-minute song with all these changes. It's ridiculous."" Uh... Bohemian Rhapsody, every prog song from 1971 through 1977, Good Vibrations, Stairway To Heaven... and I would hardly call those "ridiculous", even if that's the viewpoint of the cognoscenti that thinks "prog" is a four-letter word. It just seems disingenuous and targeted at an audience that doesn't know better (or, more likely, doesn't WANT to know better).
EDIT: In all fairness, I'm actually listening to OK Computer as I write this - nothing like revisiting or refreshing one's perceptions - and I'm on song four ("Exit Music (For A Film)") now and it's like listening to a Dream Theater album in a way. "Oh, that sounds like...", "oh, wait, that part is...", "wow, that sounds kinda like...". And the the trick is, "did that come out before 1997, or after?"
EDIT 2: In even more fairness, I'm not personally fixated on just Radiohead. I can have this discussion about Green Day, Guns'n'Roses, The Red Hot Chili Peppers, and Nirvana as well.
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His quote was about "at this moment" in music. Not the 70's.
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I love both 70s prog rock and Paranoid Android/Radiohead in general.
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They are really an acquired taste. I'm not big into them but I like a few songs.
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My point was you don’t have to "not know better" to be into Radiohead.
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Or you don't have to be into them to make the HOF.
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Just found this: http://dreamtheater.net/discography/six-degrees-of-inner-turbulence/ (http://dreamtheater.net/discography/six-degrees-of-inner-turbulence/)
"Influences for the album’s writing and recording include Radiohead’s OK Computer (and also a Radiohead bootleg Portnoy brought in)"
Probably mainly Disappear. Always thought it sounded like a Radiohead song.
So even our favorite band was influenced by Radiohead.
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Just found this: http://dreamtheater.net/discography/six-degrees-of-inner-turbulence/ (http://dreamtheater.net/discography/six-degrees-of-inner-turbulence/)
"Influences for the album’s writing and recording include Radiohead’s OK Computer (and also a Radiohead bootleg Portnoy brought in)"
Probably mainly Disappear. Always thought it sounded like a Radiohead song.
So even our favorite band was influenced by Radiohead.
Where did it say that Rush was influenced by Radiohead?
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Lol.
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His quote was about "at this moment" in music. Not the 70's.
I didn't get that, and if I missed it, my fault.
(Though I'd point out that even that is wrong; Marillion, Dream Theater, King Crimson, Porcupine Tree, Spock's Beard... which I don't mention to be argumentative, but to highlight that the Hall - and Radiohead themselves - have actively shown a disdain for prog, almost ignoring its existence, while simultaneously acting as if their prog-like tendencies are something new and innovative).
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Just found this: http://dreamtheater.net/discography/six-degrees-of-inner-turbulence/ (http://dreamtheater.net/discography/six-degrees-of-inner-turbulence/)
"Influences for the album’s writing and recording include Radiohead’s OK Computer (and also a Radiohead bootleg Portnoy brought in)"
Probably mainly Disappear. Always thought it sounded like a Radiohead song.
So even our favorite band was influenced by Radiohead.
Where did it say that Rush was influenced by Radiohead?
I did read that Ok Computer was one of Geddy Lee’s favorite albums though (so maybe he was influenced by them).
https://thequietus.com/articles/09210-rush-geddy-lee-interview-favourite-albums?page=14 (https://thequietus.com/articles/09210-rush-geddy-lee-interview-favourite-albums?page=14)
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His quote was about "at this moment" in music. Not the 70's.
I didn't get that, and if I missed it, my fault.
(Though I'd point out that even that is wrong; Marillion, Dream Theater, King Crimson, Porcupine Tree, Spock's Beard... which I don't mention to be argumentative, but to highlight that the Hall - and Radiohead themselves - have actively shown a disdain for prog, almost ignoring its existence, while simultaneously acting as if their prog-like tendencies are something new and innovative).
I think he was talking about bands with radio airplay at the tie. Hell, even I was surprised to see a 7 minute music video on MTV at the time.
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My point was you don’t have to "not know better" to be into Radiohead.
Not at all what I said; I said that it seems as if the band is being disingenuous with their art. You'd almost have to "not know better" to fall for some of the hype surrounding them and their work. That doesn't make them bad. As you point out, our kids are fans as well (OK Computer was, last I checked, in Mike's top 10 of all time, and for all of the criticisms you can level at Mike, "knowledge of music" isn't one of them.)
Look, I made my point: Phil Collins not in, not even nominated, Radiohead, Green Day, RHCP, REM, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, all in either first ballot or a year from eligibility, and I think the common denominator is NOT music, but "intangible" (including politics).
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His quote was about "at this moment" in music. Not the 70's.
I didn't get that, and if I missed it, my fault.
(Though I'd point out that even that is wrong; Marillion, Dream Theater, King Crimson, Porcupine Tree, Spock's Beard... which I don't mention to be argumentative, but to highlight that the Hall - and Radiohead themselves - have actively shown a disdain for prog, almost ignoring its existence, while simultaneously acting as if their prog-like tendencies are something new and innovative).
I think he was talking about bands with radio airplay at the tie. Hell, even I was surprised to see a 7 minute music video on MTV at the time.
Well, on that point, he's undoubtedly correct. That was the sort of "post-grunge" era, where it seemed every band - Leppard, Metallica, Kiss, Bruce Dickinson - had to do their "grunge-like" record.
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Hot take but I don't think Phil Collins belongs in the R&RHOF personally but neither do a lot of people who are already in so whatever... why do people still care about the R&RHOF at this point, it's a joke
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Hot take but I don't think Phil Collins belongs in the R&RHOF personally but neither do a lot of people who are already in so whatever... why do people still care about the R&RHOF at this point, it's a joke
It's interesting to me, and more and more, the whole "piss on them" attitude of guys like Bruce and Ozzy is giving way to "well, it does matter, at least to the fans and the community" approach of guys like Geddy Lee and others.
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Hot take but I don't think Phil Collins belongs in the R&RHOF personally but neither do a lot of people who are already in so whatever... why do people still care about the R&RHOF at this point, it's a joke
It's interesting to me, and more and more, the whole "piss on them" attitude of guys like Bruce and Ozzy is giving way to "well, it does matter, at least to the fans and the community" approach of guys like Geddy Lee and others.
Is it though? I can't recall the last time I ever met a music fan with something nice to say about the R&RHOF. I thought by and large the consensus was a big hearty eyeroll on the basis that it's "rock and roll" but misses some of the most deserving names out there while including pop and rap artists (which is admittedly a tired argument but absolutely valid regardless). The HOF doesn't mean jack tbh especially in the Internet age
Not to say you can't care :)
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Even though I do not care much about the RRHoF, visiting the museum was very interesting (specially Floyd's exhibit).
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Even though I do not care much about the RRHoF, visiting the museum was very interesting (specially Floyd's exhibit).
I could see this being interesting
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I thought by and large the consensus was a big hearty eyeroll on the basis that it's "rock and roll" but misses some of the most deserving names out there while including pop and rap artists (which is admittedly a tired argument but absolutely valid regardless). The HOF doesn't mean jack tbh especially in the Internet age
That's only the "consensus" of fans that are upset that some of their favorite artists/bands haven't gotten in.
They will often attempt to use some kind of objective standard for something that is clearly subjective.
The vast majority of the general populace doesn't care one jot or tittle about this kind of thing. Only the more, shall we say, "committed" music fans.
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What is a "jot" or a "tittle"? Can I say that around children? :) :)
I happen to agree with you, by the way.
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It's not 'only' the consensus of those people. I don't care who gets into the R&RHOF, but I still think it's a joke. And if it's a joke to hardcore music fans who feel certain acts have been snubbed - and some of them are/have been huge snubs, at least in my eyes - and the rest of the general populace doesn't care one dusty fuck about it, ain't it more or less meaningless? That's kinda what I was getting at. :)
I think you can say tittle around children but only if you say 'teehee' after
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It's interesting to me, and more and more, the whole "piss on them" attitude of guys like Bruce and Ozzy is giving way to "well, it does matter, at least to the fans and the community" approach of guys like Geddy Lee and others.
I think it was Geddy Lee who said that the main reason Rush even went was because they knew how much it meant to the fans, most of whom would probably concede that the Hall doesn't mean a whole lot, but you still don't want to see your favorites get snubbed when non-deserving artists and non-rock artists make it.
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Non deserving is pretty hard to argue, but non rock is much easier. Sure some borderline bands will get some debate, but some of these bands are just flat out not rock in any way. That to me is what makes the RnR HOF meaningless. If it was just the music HOF, then it would hold a lot more weight. Calling it something it isn't delegitimizes it.
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I just listened to Creep. I can't say I've never heard it in my lifetime, but nothing about it sounded familiar at all. I could not name another Radiohead song off the top of my head.
I'd never heard Creep until about a year ago -- probably as a result of a discussion here when they were on the ballot. Nor have I ever heard any other song (that I know of). Nor have I ever known anyone who was a fan of the band or who went to see them, etc.
Look, I made my point: Phil Collins not in, not even nominated, Radiohead, Green Day, RHCP, REM, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, all in either first ballot or a year from eligibility, and I think the common denominator is NOT music, but "intangible" (including politics).
My comments previously about Collins and otherwise notwithstanding, I generally agree with this. There are a lot of artists in the RRHOF whose selections are, at best, puzzling given the many glaring omissions.
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What is a "jot" or a "tittle"? Can I say that around children? :) :)
Marks while writing. For example, the dot on an "i" or the cross mark on the "t". Those are jots and tittles.
Use around kids? Depends on your standards. The words are used in the Bible (by Paul, specifically). And I used them completely incorrectly, but only because they sound funny.
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Argument for why a band/artist should not be in the HOF: I’m not a fan and I don’t know anyone who is a fan.
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Argument for why a band/artist should not be in the HOF: I’m not a fan and I don’t know anyone who is a fan.
Just for clarity, that in no way shape or form encapsulates my argument.
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Argument for why a band/artist should not be in the HOF: I’m not a fan and I don’t know anyone who is a fan.
Just for clarity, that in no way shape or form encapsulates my argument.
I know. Just some people act like the fact that they (and maybe their friends too) don’t like or have never heard/heard of a band/artist somehow makes them irrelevant/unimportant and I find that pretty damn silly.
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Argument for why a band/artist should not be in the HOF: I’m not a fan and I don’t know anyone who is a fan.
Just for clarity, that in no way shape or form encapsulates my argument.
Not you, no. But some people (not just talking about people here, BTW).
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Yeah - I'm an old bastard too - just not as old (or as much of a bastard) as Tim. :lol
:lol
Brent this made me laugh today when I saw this at work.
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Argument for why a band/artist should not be in the HOF: I’m not a fan and I don’t know anyone who is a fan.
Just for clarity, that in no way shape or form encapsulates my argument.
Just for clarity, this is about me. ;D
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Yeah - I'm an old bastard too - just not as old (or as much of a bastard) as Tim. :lol
:lol
Brent this made me laugh today when I saw this at work.
The truth is funny. :lol
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Well, we can’t have a discussion on the RRHOF without a quick nod to Alex Lifeson’s epic acceptance speech. I always thought if Lifeson wanted to pursue a career as a standup comedian he could probably give Chappelle a run for his money! So without further ado…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i2ZbJnkFEY
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Not picking on you DTinTX, but I have always found that kind of douchey.
Look, getting in either matters or it doesn't, so either show up or don't.
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The idea was amusing, the execution overstayed its welcome by about 2 minutes.
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The idea was amusing, the execution overstayed its welcome by about 2 minutes.
Yeah, that's certainly fair.
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I disagree completely. If you watch his pantomime, he’s actually acting out a series of events. I think if Geddy and Neil could have been out front to see what he was pantomiming, they would’ve been a lot more in on the joke. But in spite of all the “blah blah’s” I understood everything he was saying because of the scene he was acting out. I thought it was brilliant from start to finish.
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I'm a big Alex fan, but I thought that sucked. Wakeman's blew it out of the water.
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The blah blah blah speech was amazing.
Nuff said.
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blah blah blah
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Alex's speech at the Canadian Music HOF in 1994 was far shorter....but also funny. Always the ham.
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I disagree completely. If you watch his pantomime, he’s actually acting out a series of events. I think if Geddy and Neil could have been out front to see what he was pantomiming, they would’ve been a lot more in on the joke. But in spite of all the “blah blah’s” I understood everything he was saying because of the scene he was acting out. I thought it was brilliant from start to finish.
So much this. If all you're doing is paying attention to how much he's saying blah blah blah, then yeah, it's way too long. But as Ben points out in the post above, when you pay attention to his gestures and facial expressions in addition to the way he's way blah blah blah, it's quite clear he's telling a story. Best acceptance speech ever. And at least it was fitting as opposed to Wakeman's speech, which was funny, but had zero to do with setting, nevermind that it took away from Chris Squire's widow from having the opportunity to say something.
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So what is the story, because clearly I missed it. (Not sarcastic, I'm sincerely asking.)
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So what is the story, because clearly I missed it. (Not sarcastic, I'm sincerely asking.)
Exactly, what is the story, and does it matter? Apparently it's an inside joke to Rush fans.
Listen, Bruce Dickinson is going to be a dickhead when Iron Maiden eventually gets in, but at least I can and will say so.
Rush fans circling the wagons...
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It’s the story of Rush getting into the hall of fame, the struggles to get in, the band working really hard while the fans fought to get them in and how grateful the band is to the fans.
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It’s the story of Rush getting into the hall of fame, the struggles to get in, the band working really hard while the fans fought to get them in and how grateful the band is to the fans.
This.
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Sorry, I didn't have these on. It wasn't clear.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/iTBx0P0zOqA/hqdefault.jpg)
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Let me spell it out for you since you're having such a hard time! :loser:
Time stamps are based on the clip as found here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i2ZbJnkFEY
0:12-0:20 Let me tell you a story.
0:20-0:39 We're busy traveling, recording albums, playing concerts.
0:39-0:50 Then we hear about the RRHoF.
0:50-1:09 Can we get in? NO! You can't! But we have met the requirements. You're NOT getting in!
1:09-1:11 Fine. **** you!
1:11-1:23 So we continue doing what we do and time goes by.
1:23-1:32 Until one day, the phone rings.
1:32-1:48 Hello? We've been accepted? Really! Wow! We're getting in!
1:48-1:59 I better get ready and prepare my speech.
1:59-2:14 My dear fans... Cries. Nevermind.
2:14-2:27 What's really most important are these guys (Geddy and Alex), our families and you fans. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
If you can't follow that Tim, all hope is lost for you! :P
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Watch it on mute....you can still see exactly what he's saying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHjQZJ1RLQA
EDIT - Scotty gives PERFECT time stamps. Watch it with his post as a guide. The speech is actually brilliant.
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Let me spell it out for you since you're having such a hard time! :loser:
Time stamps are based on the clip as found here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i2ZbJnkFEY
0:12-0:20 Let me tell you a story.
0:20-0:39 We're busy traveling, recording albums, playing concerts.
0:39-0:50 Then we hear about the RRHoF.
0:50-1:09 Can we get in? NO! You can't! But we have met the requirements. You're NOT getting in!
1:09-1:11 Fine. **** you!
1:11-1:23 So we continue doing what we do and time goes by.
1:23-1:32 Until one day, the phone rings.
1:32-1:48 Hello? We've been accepted? Really! Wow! We're getting in!
1:48-1:59 I better get ready and prepare my speech.
1:59-2:14 My dear fans... Cries. Nevermind.
2:14-2:27 What's really most important are these guys (Geddy and Alex), our families and you fans. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
If you can't follow that Tim, all hope is lost for you! :P
I can follow it. I just think it's dumb. :)
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Let me spell it out for you since you're having such a hard time! :loser:
Time stamps are based on the clip as found here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i2ZbJnkFEY
0:12-0:20 Let me tell you a story.
0:20-0:39 We're busy traveling, recording albums, playing concerts.
0:39-0:50 Then we hear about the RRHoF.
0:50-1:09 Can we get in? NO! You can't! But we have met the requirements. You're NOT getting in!
1:09-1:11 Fine. **** you!
1:11-1:23 So we continue doing what we do and time goes by.
1:23-1:32 Until one day, the phone rings.
1:32-1:48 Hello? We've been accepted? Really! Wow! We're getting in!
1:48-1:59 I better get ready and prepare my speech.
1:59-2:14 My dear fans... Cries. Nevermind.
2:14-2:27 What's really most important are these guys (Geddy and Alex), our families and you fans. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
If you can't follow that Tim, all hope is lost for you! :P
I can follow it. I just think it's dumb. :)
Dumber than how the RRHoF decides to induct bands, and which members? I think not. :-*
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TAC doesn't have time for such nonsense.
SQUIRREL!!!!
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Let me spell it out for you since you're having such a hard time! :loser:
Time stamps are based on the clip as found here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i2ZbJnkFEY
0:12-0:20 Let me tell you a story.
0:20-0:39 We're busy traveling, recording albums, playing concerts.
0:39-0:50 Then we hear about the RRHoF.
0:50-1:09 Can we get in? NO! You can't! But we have met the requirements. You're NOT getting in!
1:09-1:11 Fine. **** you!
1:11-1:23 So we continue doing what we do and time goes by.
1:23-1:32 Until one day, the phone rings.
1:32-1:48 Hello? We've been accepted? Really! Wow! We're getting in!
1:48-1:59 I better get ready and prepare my speech.
1:59-2:14 My dear fans... Cries. Nevermind.
2:14-2:27 What's really most important are these guys (Geddy and Alex), our families and you fans. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
If you can't follow that Tim, all hope is lost for you! :P
I can follow it. I just think it's dumb. :)
Dumber than how the RRHoF decides to induct bands, and which members? I think not. :-*
Actually, there's nothing more dumb than that.
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Let me spell it out for you since you're having such a hard time! :loser:
Time stamps are based on the clip as found here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i2ZbJnkFEY
0:12-0:20 Let me tell you a story.
0:20-0:39 We're busy traveling, recording albums, playing concerts.
0:39-0:50 Then we hear about the RRHoF.
0:50-1:09 Can we get in? NO! You can't! But we have met the requirements. You're NOT getting in!
1:09-1:11 Fine. **** you!
1:11-1:23 So we continue doing what we do and time goes by.
1:23-1:32 Until one day, the phone rings.
1:32-1:48 Hello? We've been accepted? Really! Wow! We're getting in!
1:48-1:59 I better get ready and prepare my speech.
1:59-2:14 My dear fans... Cries. Nevermind.
2:14-2:27 What's really most important are these guys (Geddy and Alex), our families and you fans. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
If you can't follow that Tim, all hope is lost for you! :P
I can follow it. I just think it's dumb. :)
Dumber than how the RRHoF decides to induct bands, and which members? I think not. :-*
Actually, there's nothing more dumb than that.
Exactly. Which is why Alex's speech lampooning the whole thing was brilliant and yet still appropriate.
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I'm actually not joking at all, not even a little bit, but it's a measure of the respect I have for Scotty and Jammindude that I'm going to go back and watch that with new eyes, because from the time I heard it until now I've been firmly in the "wow is that embarrassing, I hope I never hear THAT again" camp.
Although I have the same feeling of slight skepticism I had when I was cuing up the Dark Side Of The Moon along with The Wizard Of Oz.
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Honestly awaiting the results of your re-evaluation
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Well, ok. I re-watched it. And no doubt my impression has changed, as I now better understand the intent and the purpose. More specifically, I understand that it HAD an intent and purpose. I'm not sure I'm prepared to say it's "brilliant" or "genius" - best I can do is clever - but it gets a 10/10 for knowing your audience. It certainly appeals to the "insider" mentality of the Rush fanbase (that's not disrespectful at all, though it might sound it).
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Let me spell it out for you since you're having such a hard time! :loser:
Time stamps are based on the clip as found here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i2ZbJnkFEY
0:12-0:20 Let me tell you a story.
0:20-0:39 We're busy traveling, recording albums, playing concerts.
0:39-0:50 Then we hear about the RRHoF.
0:50-1:09 Can we get in? NO! You can't! But we have met the requirements. You're NOT getting in!
1:09-1:11 Fine. **** you!
1:11-1:23 So we continue doing what we do and time goes by.
1:23-1:32 Until one day, the phone rings.
1:32-1:48 Hello? We've been accepted? Really! Wow! We're getting in!
1:48-1:59 I better get ready and prepare my speech.
1:59-2:14 My dear fans... Cries. Nevermind.
2:14-2:27 What's really most important are these guys (Geddy and Alex), our families and you fans. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
If you can't follow that Tim, all hope is lost for you! :P
I can follow it. I just think it's dumb. :)
Concur. It was a waste of time, and I picked up on absolutely none of that. If, in fact, he was telling this story (has he ever confirmed that was his intent?), I'm guessing that it registered with less than 5% of the folks who saw it. Wakeman's story sucked too. This all reminds me of when folks look at blotches of paint and say things like, "it's a gripping commentary on the angst of the modern worker!"
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It's not unfair to note that one of the first comments in the string following the video lays out this story.
And it's also not unfair to note that even the band wasn't exactly enamored of his approach. https://ultimateclassicrock.com/geddy-lee-alex-lifeson-hof/
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It was a waste of time, and I picked up on absolutely none of that. If, in fact, he was telling this story (has he ever confirmed that was his intent?), I'm guessing that it registered with less than 5% of the folks who saw it.
Did you actually try watching the video after I listed all the time stamps? It's pretty obvious - Stadler and TAC follow it now, even if TAC thinks it's stupid. And only 5% of the audience picked up on it? I'm sure not everyone did, but there was a good percentage who did. Even one of the guys in Public Enemy who was inducted the same night made a comment that his speech was pure performance art. I doubt he would've said that if he just saw some aging rockstar say blah blah blah for 3 minutes without any purpose.
And it's also not unfair to note that even the band wasn't exactly enamored of his approach. https://ultimateclassicrock.com/geddy-lee-alex-lifeson-hof/
Only because they had no clue that he was going to do that, as Geddy mentions in the article. In fact I remember reading that Alex made that decision spur of the moment. Had Geddy and Neil been clued in to what he was doing, they would have loved it. And in fact, it's pretty safe to say that they do now, having been able to see his speech from the viewpoint of the audience.
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Let me spell it out for you since you're having such a hard time! :loser:
Time stamps are based on the clip as found here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i2ZbJnkFEY
0:12-0:20 Let me tell you a story.
0:20-0:39 We're busy traveling, recording albums, playing concerts.
0:39-0:50 Then we hear about the RRHoF.
0:50-1:09 Can we get in? NO! You can't! But we have met the requirements. You're NOT getting in!
1:09-1:11 Fine. **** you!
1:11-1:23 So we continue doing what we do and time goes by.
1:23-1:32 Until one day, the phone rings.
1:32-1:48 Hello? We've been accepted? Really! Wow! We're getting in!
1:48-1:59 I better get ready and prepare my speech.
1:59-2:14 My dear fans... Cries. Nevermind.
2:14-2:27 What's really most important are these guys (Geddy and Alex), our families and you fans. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
If you can't follow that Tim, all hope is lost for you! :P
I can follow it. I just think it's dumb. :)
Concur. It was a waste of time, and I picked up on absolutely none of that. If, in fact, he was telling this story (has he ever confirmed that was his intent?), I'm guessing that it registered with less than 5% of the folks who saw it. Wakeman's story sucked too. This all reminds me of when folks look at blotches of paint and say things like, "it's a gripping commentary on the angst of the modern worker!"
No, you get off MY lawn!!
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If we are talking about favorite Hall of Fame moments, I still love the 2009 performance of Train Kept a Rolling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBHojMzM38E
Around 3:08, Joe Perry points to Jimmy Page and Jeff Beck to take a turn soloing. Beck walked away and Page looked confused :lol
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Gotta correct myself - actually it was Rage Against the Machine's Tom Morello who said that Alex's speech was "performance art", next to Public Enemy's Chuck D who said he "understood" and that Alex "said it all right there."
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/rush-public-enemy-get-emotional-backstage-at-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-ceremony-181650/
As for whether Alex actually commented on what he was trying to say in his speech, yes he did. He said "I thought it would tell the story of our history and how we got to that stage without using any words."
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/rushs-alex-lifeson-on-his-blah-blah-blah-rock-hall-speech-it-seemed-like-a-good-idea-at-the-time/
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If we are talking about favorite Hall of Fame moments, I still love the 2009 performance of Train Kept a Rolling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBHojMzM38E
Around 3:08, Joe Perry points to Jimmy Page and Jeff Beck to take a turn soloing. Beck walked away and Page looked confused :lol
I love that comment: "Am I the only one who thought that simultaneously sucked and was amazing?"
I'm familiar with the Yardbirds, Zeppelin, and the Aerosmith version, though I can only remember the lyrics to the Aerosmith version. Compared to that, it sounds like Het was making it up as he went along. :)
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It was a waste of time, and I picked up on absolutely none of that. If, in fact, he was telling this story (has he ever confirmed that was his intent?), I'm guessing that it registered with less than 5% of the folks who saw it.
Did you actually try watching the video after I listed all the time stamps? It's pretty obvious - Stadler and TAC follow it now, even if TAC thinks it's stupid. And only 5% of the audience picked up on it? I'm sure not everyone did, but there was a good percentage who did. Even one of the guys in Public Enemy who was inducted the same night made a comment that his speech was pure performance art. I doubt he would've said that if he just saw some aging rockstar say blah blah blah for 3 minutes without any purpose.
Yes, I watched after you listed the time stamps (in fact, that was what prompted me to watch it again, which is not something I would otherwise do). It wasn't even remotely obvious to me, even with your explanations, and without someone telling me that was what was happening, I'd never have gotten it with a thousand viewings. We're also here six years later, and this is the very first I've heard of this supposed pantomime. The 5% was obviously a guess on my part. That some rap guy made a comment about "performance art" doesn't mean he had any understanding of what was supposedly happening.
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Well it’s not like it was some kind of in joke. I understood it exactly the way Scotty did just based on body language alone.
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I didn't need the time stamps to understand the um..speech. I got it.
I would rather Alex just use his words. I would personally appreciate what he has to say. No need to act like a damn monkey. I didn't find it funny, and to me, it comes off as douchey.
IMHO. :)
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Well it’s not like it was some kind of in joke. I understood it exactly the way Scotty did just based on body language alone.
If it's not an in-joke, why do it? Do you honestly think the Hall was swayed by it? Do you think the Public Enemy fans were like "ah, now I get it! Rush!" I'm not trying to be funny or snarky, these are sincere questions.
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Snarkily sincere?
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Snarkily sincere?
Yeah, okay. Good call. :) I was going to "blah blah blah" my question but I thought THAT would be too snarky. :)
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Well it’s not like it was some kind of in joke. I understood it exactly the way Scotty did just based on body language alone.
If it's not an in-joke, why do it? Do you honestly think the Hall was swayed by it? Do you think the Public Enemy fans were like "ah, now I get it! Rush!" I'm not trying to be funny or snarky, these are sincere questions.
It's not an "in joke" in that you don't have to be "in the know" about Rush to understand it. It's basic pantomime combined with satire of acceptance speeches. Anyone who has scene a billion acceptance speeches can get it. This kindof thing goes back to Charlie Chaplin in a way.
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If it's not an in-joke, why do it?
I'd say it's because it's Alex Lifeson, that's his kind of humor, he's a very spontaneous person and he decided to do it because he couldn't remember the speech he prepared (which he's actually stated in interviews).
Do you honestly think the Hall was swayed by it?
Why would they? I doubt anything anyone says in an acceptance speech is likely to sway the organizers of an awards ceremony, especially by an aging rock star that the heads of the RRHoF fought against permitting to be inducted in the first place.
Do you think the Public Enemy fans were like "ah, now I get it! Rush!"
Nah - I doubt Alex cared what they (or anyone else) thought. But if there's one thing that can be said: everyone remembers that speech, whether they like it or hate it. Can't say the same for most other acceptance speeches.
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Well it’s not like it was some kind of in joke. I understood it exactly the way Scotty did just based on body language alone.
If it's not an in-joke, why do it? Do you honestly think the Hall was swayed by it? Do you think the Public Enemy fans were like "ah, now I get it! Rush!" I'm not trying to be funny or snarky, these are sincere questions.
It's not an "in joke" in that you don't have to be "in the know" about Rush to understand it. It's basic pantomime combined with satire of acceptance speeches. Anyone who has scene a billion acceptance speeches can get it. This kindof thing goes back to Charlie Chaplin in a way.
But it seems like you need to be "in the know" to think it's funny. I'm a huge Rush fan, I think their camaraderie and love (that's what it is) is to be admired and celebrated, especially in this dickhead world we live in, but there's a sort of... "inside joke" vibe that permeates that band. "Brought to you by the letter Q". "Pratt, Dirk and Lerxt". I think the band generally is funny - the dishwashers and Costco roast chickens on stage are funny - but some of that stuff I'm not a fan of, so maybe that explains it.
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I'd say it's because it's Alex Lifeson, that's his kind of humor
I really only know Rush for the music. I know very little about them as a band or as individuals. I remember watching that Time Machine video short (when they are in the old-timey diner or some place like that) and that was probably the first time I'd seen the guys not on stage performing. I thought the concept was great, and Geddy and Neil's roles were entertaining, and Alex was not funny at all. I appreciate not all humor amuses everyone.
What did Rick Wakeman do at the HoF? People keep talking about it here.
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I'd say it's because it's Alex Lifeson, that's his kind of humor
I really only know Rush for the music. I know very little about them as a band or as individuals. I remember watching that Time Machine video short (when they are in the old-timey diner or some place like that) and that was probably the first time I'd seen the guys not on stage performing. I thought the concept was great, and Geddy and Neil's roles were entertaining, and Alex was not funny at all. I appreciate not all humor amuses everyone.
What did Rick Wakeman do at the HoF? People keep talking about it here.
Basically did a stand-up routine, telling slightly off-color jokes for about two and a half minutes.
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I'd say it's because it's Alex Lifeson, that's his kind of humor
I really only know Rush for the music. I know very little about them as a band or as individuals. I remember watching that Time Machine video short (when they are in the old-timey diner or some place like that) and that was probably the first time I'd seen the guys not on stage performing. I thought the concept was great, and Geddy and Neil's roles were entertaining, and Alex was not funny at all. I appreciate not all humor amuses everyone.
What did Rick Wakeman do at the HoF? People keep talking about it here.
Basically did a stand-up routine, telling slightly off-color jokes for about two and a half minutes.
More like 3.5 minutes. What was sad is that his routine and Jon Anderson's rambling on took away from Chris Squire's widow and Bill Bruford from being able to say anything.
Chris, you can see Wakeman's bit here:
https://youtu.be/cfa-WR_PEws?t=412