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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: MinistroRaven on September 30, 2019, 02:12:36 PM
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l_3VdjP1fGM
Hyped as f*ck.
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That seems... soon? But I loved season 3 so am in for more!
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That seems... soon? But I loved season 3 so am in for more!
Soon? The fact that it was renewed for a 4th season? Cause that’s all we got so far.
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If it comes out next summer I will be very happy, from what I read the story and scripts are nearly complete and may not take that long. Fingers crossed it does come out soon.
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Meh, Stranger Things seemed to have lost a lot magic after Season 1.
I don’t know if it’s because the kids are entering their awkward teenage years or what. Season 2 really amped the retro vibe which was alright but the story felt disjointed. Season 3 totally dropped some plot elements they had been building in Season 2 (mainly out of fan reaction) and I felt the monster was rather uninteresting. I was also a big fan of Hopper in Season 1 and 2 but didn’t like how they just turned him into a big buffoon/comedic relief character throughout 3. Here’s hoping they can pull it together and end it on a good note.
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What elements did they drop from season 2?
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I was also a big fan of Hopper in Season 1 and 2 but didn’t like how they just turned him into a big buffoon/comedic relief character throughout 3.
To me he seemed a drunken asshole all the time, shouting 95% of his lines. Was he angry and almost verbally abusive all the time in previous seasons? he was always a grizzly bear but in the last season he was downright unlikeable.
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I was also a big fan of Hopper in Season 1 and 2 but didn’t like how they just turned him into a big buffoon/comedic relief character throughout 3.
To me he seemed a drunken asshole all the time, shouting 95% of his lines. Was he angry and almost verbally abusive all the time in previous seasons? he was always a grizzly bear but in the last season he was downright unlikeable.
It’s true they totally turned the character into a caricature in Seasom 3. They did the same thing to Winona albeit to a lesser extent.
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I agree Hopper was less likable last season.
That seems... soon? But I loved season 3 so am in for more!
Soon? The fact that it was renewed for a 4th season? Cause that’s all we got so far.
Oh, my bad, I thought a trailer was incoming (since this is often the case with teaser trailers).
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Guess I'm in the minority again -- I thought Hopper was just fine last season and his actions were completely understandable, same with Joyce. The whole point of Hopper's personality last season was that he's struggling with how to be a pseudo father type of man which clashes with his somewhat coarse and abrasive personality and rhetoric and short temper. Add a boy and puppy love to the mix and his short fuse is even shorter. I totally get it.
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^Same. Criticisms of how the character was portrayed really don't seem to get it.
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Guess I'm in the minority again -- I thought Hopper was just fine last season and his actions were completely understandable, same with Joyce. The whole point of Hopper's personality last season was that he's struggling with how to be a pseudo father type of man which clashes with his somewhat coarse and abrasive personality and rhetoric and short temper. Add a boy and puppy love to the mix and his short fuse is even shorter. I totally get it.
^Same. Criticisms of how the character was portrayed really don't seem to get it.
Yep. I think this whole 'criticism' thing only got steam after the women's rights angle was pimped online for a few days where they were waging war on the writers/creators for making Hopper so violent and mean towards Joyce. Another instance of PC BS. His character fit(s) right in line for the timeline and story.
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Yeah, I agree. I don't remember him getting 'violent' with Joyce either - I've heard people say that and I just don't recall it, I could be wrong, but I don't remember him doing anything shocking. He got heated and frustrated and angry but I don't think that's grounds for what people were raising a stink over when it was released. I think some people made a mountain out of a molehill with that one.
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Yeah, I agree. I don't remember him getting 'violent' with Joyce either - I've heard people say that and I just don't recall it, I could be wrong, but I don't remember him doing anything shocking. He got heated and frustrated and angry but I don't think that's grounds for what people were raising a stink over when it was released. I think some people made a mountain out of a molehill with that one.
It wasn't even a thing until Evan Rachel Wood made it a thing in an interview.
https://www.glamour.com/story/evan-rachel-wood-calls-out-stranger-things
After that it caught fire a bit because it was the cool thing to do that week.
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Yeah, I agree. I don't remember him getting 'violent' with Joyce either - I've heard people say that and I just don't recall it, I could be wrong, but I don't remember him doing anything shocking. He got heated and frustrated and angry but I don't think that's grounds for what people were raising a stink over when it was released. I think some people made a mountain out of a molehill with that one.
It wasn't even a thing until Evan Rachel Wood made it a thing in an interview.
https://www.glamour.com/story/evan-rachel-wood-calls-out-stranger-things
After that it caught fire a bit because it was the cool thing to do that week.
Oh jeeze. I love her in Westworld (not sure if I've seen her in anything else) but I've read some interviews with her and she's hardcore about that stuff so I'm not surprised. Kind of disappointing, I agree with her views *to an extent* but for crying out loud, really? Oh well.
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Guess I'm in the minority again -- I thought Hopper was just fine last season and his actions were completely understandable, same with Joyce. The whole point of Hopper's personality last season was that he's struggling with how to be a pseudo father type of man which clashes with his somewhat coarse and abrasive personality and rhetoric and short temper. Add a boy and puppy love to the mix and his short fuse is even shorter. I totally get it.
^Same. Criticisms of how the character was portrayed really don't seem to get it.
Yep. I think this whole 'criticism' thing only got steam after the women's rights angle was pimped online for a few days where they were waging war on the writers/creators for making Hopper so violent and mean towards Joyce. Another instance of PC BS. His character fit(s) right in line for the timeline and story.
Nah. He’s a completely different character this season. How he’s written, performance, delivery. They took a good character and amped it to 11 (like they did with many elements in the show). He’s pretty much just for laughs in Season 3. Nothing to do with ‘not getting it’ or plot elements. They could have shown that frustrated/abrasive father while maintaining a semblance of the character they had built over the previous two seasons.
I don’t know anything about the “women’s violence” thing or how that relates to my criticisms.
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Guess I'm in the minority again -- I thought Hopper was just fine last season and his actions were completely understandable, same with Joyce. The whole point of Hopper's personality last season was that he's struggling with how to be a pseudo father type of man which clashes with his somewhat coarse and abrasive personality and rhetoric and short temper. Add a boy and puppy love to the mix and his short fuse is even shorter. I totally get it.
^Same. Criticisms of how the character was portrayed really don't seem to get it.
Yep. I think this whole 'criticism' thing only got steam after the women's rights angle was pimped online for a few days where they were waging war on the writers/creators for making Hopper so violent and mean towards Joyce. Another instance of PC BS. His character fit(s) right in line for the timeline and story.
Nah. He’s a completely different character this season. How he’s written, performance, delivery. They took a good character and amped it to 11 (like they did with many elements in the show). He’s pretty much just for laughs in Season 3. Nothing to do with ‘not getting it’ or plot elements. They could have shown that frustrated/abrasive father while maintaining a semblance of the character they had built over the previous two seasons.
I don’t know anything about the “women’s violence” thing or how that relates to my criticisms.
Respectfully I strongly disagree with this and think you're missing the entire point of Hopper as a character in this season. He's absolutely not a completely different character. I do think he retains the elements that made his character who he is from seasons 1 and 2. I do not understand this criticism that he is unlike what he used to be. Can you elaborate with specifics? I really don't agree and just don't see what you're seeing that makes him so different this time around.
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Season 3 stripped Hopper of precisely what made him fun and compelling, which is the push and pull between his harder and softer sides. He spends 90% of this season arguing with Winona (because she stood him on up on a date, yawn) which is broken up only by moments of punching bad guys and yelling at his kid. Where’s the nuance? We don’t see that calm side, or any growth that we’ve come to see in the previous season. He’s just loud, and obnoxious, and super unlikeable.
In Season 1 he went from a depressed pill popper, with moments of rage, to rediscovering direction in his life, becoming invested in the Byers family and adopting Eleven. Season 2 has him adjusting to family life and learning to be a parent again, with all the challenges that brings with a child with super powers. He's always been gruff and rough around the edges but also has the soft interior. What did we get for Hopper in Season 3? A voice over in the closing minutes of the show, which was moving and one of the seasons best moments, but it was too little too late. I wanted to actually see some of THAT guy during the season.
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Huh... I couldn't disagree more. I mean, season 3 was all about his growth and dealing with who he's been so far vs. who he needs to be for Eleven.
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I watched the show in July so I can't really remember exact quotes and moments, but yeah, I'm line with Volante's thinking. The balance between grizzly bear Hopper and hero Hopper was thrown off. He even joked with Joyce about making Mike disappear and how he could cover it up being chief of police... sure, funny joke and he didn't mean it, but to say something like that to a mother whose kid has disappeared in a government cover up, with fake corpse included....
Another example is when they were running away from the russian terminator and he was yelling at her to start the car; he seemed unnecessarily angry, not in a panic, but as if he was annoyed how dumb Joyce couldn't be able to start the car. We didn't see at all his softer and more mature side that transpired from the letter until, well, the reading of that letter.
Back in season 2 he had that big fight with Eleven, but even then he didn't look so costantly pissed off and exasperated as he looked in season 3.
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I don't see it as a big leap. Not only is he still learning how to be a parent, he's got to contend with her going through puberty and having a boyfriend on top of figuring out what his own situation is with Joyce and things are just getting crazier in Hawkins. Everyone's stress levels are constantly higher. Just seems logical to me. I don't think he was too out of character or overly angry. Plus he didn't raise her from birth, she's only been in his care for a couple years. He's *still* figuring out how to act around this kid and how to treat her like she's his child and not just another random kid.
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Nah. Hopper was fine in S3 (season 3 in general was a tad more fun, and Hopper is part of this). He still gets great moments like when he tells Joyce he wants her to feel safe in Hawkins, and then starts opening up to her about his PTSD.
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I am in total 100% agreement with Katt on this one. Everything about Hopper felt consistent with were that character would be at this point in his story arc, given what we have seen in his past (seasons 1 and 2) and where he is in season 3. I don't think there was even a moment in the entire season where I felt like the character was not written right.
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Yeah count me in as one of those who thought Hopper was great in season 3. I thought his progression was in-line with what we've seen of his character so far.
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I am in total 100% agreement with Katt on this one. Everything about Hopper felt consistent with were that character would be at this point in his story arc, given what we have seen in his past (seasons 1 and 2) and where he is in season 3. I don't think there was even a moment in the entire season where I felt like the character was not written right.
Hey, you. Stop agreeing with me. We're mortal enemies.
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Oops, my bad.
HOPPER IS TEH SUX! >:( >:( >:(
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set in 1986 they need to have the kids see the movie Lucas and make an observation about Joyce and the young Winona Ryder.
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Also there's Chernobyl happening that year!
One random thought: the whole show is a trip down the memory lane for this current generation of adults and young adults.... except for the protagonists. I mean, it's their job to act so they'll act through a modern setting, in a fantasy one, they'll act the middle ages if needed etc, but the enjoyment of "Look, remember what was it like in the '80s?" it's all for the adults writing the show and acting in it, the kids themselves never lived those years so for them it's basically a period piece.
It's basically like our generation lived Back to the Future - I was a little kid when those movies came out and Michael J. Fox himself was born in 1961 so he never experienced first hand the '50s. Older people making the movie did.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGxFQ8RSgpk
I wouldn't have shown that character just yet, but whatever! :metal
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Teaser a year before release?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGxFQ8RSgpk
I wouldn't have shown that character just yet, but whatever! :metal
They must have figured there’d be no way to keep him filming scenes a secret. Otherwise I don’t know why they’d spoil that. Although we all knew he wasn’t really dead.
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EVERYBODY knew he didn't die, so I think there was little point in trying to maintain the facade of secrecy over it. Better that they embrace it and move forward with a solid story.
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First look photos
https://youtu.be/Oo7jP_YCBXA
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If it comes out next summer I will be very happy, from what I read the story and scripts are nearly complete and may not take that long. Fingers crossed it does come out soon.
Wrote this over two years ago. At least the wait isn't too long.
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Official Trailer
https://youtu.be/yQEondeGvKo
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Official Trailer
https://youtu.be/yQEondeGvKo
Clearly need to watch the season to fully judge/appreciate it......but.....while the trailer looks intriguing and all the 'feel' of it doesn't seem like it's in the same vein as the first season or even S2. They were fresh and 'different'. Will just have to wait to see how the story is told but it looks like just another sci fi show now. Even the 'bad guy' looked pretty generic. Hate to be 'that guy' but I sure do hope I'm proven horribly wrong and that its a good season.
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Was that a dude playing a guitar solo on a roof as the world fell apart?
Nice.
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Was that a dude playing a guitar solo on a roof as the world fell apart?
Nice.
You never done that before?
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Was that a dude playing a guitar solo on a roof as the world fell apart?
Nice.
You never done that before?
Don’t have the hair for it sadly.
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Great trailer. It's been so long that I need to do a whole series re-watch.
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Great trailer. It's been so long that I need to do a whole series re-watch.
I wish I had the disposable time to do so. I'll probably just have to settle with the 15-minute S3 recap to get my mind back in sync.
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I've been rewatching the earlier seasons this past week or so in preparation for S4 P1 to drop on Friday. I started S1 on Saturday night, finished it Sunday afternoon and go through S2 on Sunday and Monday nights. I've got work tonight, but S3 will be watched over the next two nights.
Gotta say, S1 really holds up well. If it wasn't for the dangling threads at the end, it could've easily been a great self-contained single-season series, but of course we've gotten way more of it. The second season is a bit hit-or-miss for me. I liked all of the character development, and the new characters in Max, Billy, Murray, and Bob, but the pacing is a bit all over the place. Then there's the highly divisive 7th episode, "The Lost Sister", which I both like and dislike - it's great world-building for Eleven and where she came from/what she can do, but it's an episode that could've benefitted from being one or two spots back in the season. It also would've made her visions of Hopper and Mike feel more like a cliffhanger (because we've already seen them in the previous episode, but it would've been neat to see them without context first), and it would've also made her return in episode 8 a LOT more triumphant, especially if we don't see her taking a bus back to Hawkins - just leave her after the police gunfight with Kali and her gang.
Over-all, Season 2 was a step or two down from the first, but still really good. I loved what they did with Steve, and find it fascinating that they split the party up as much as they did, allowing for some new character combinations to develop throughout the season. Can't wait to rewatch the third season!
-Marc.
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Geez the episode lengths of part 1 is crazy.
Episode 1 – 1 hour 16 minutes
Episode 2 – 1 hour 15 minutes
Episode 3 – 1 hour 3 minutes
Episode 4 – 1 hour 17 minutes
Episode 5 – 1 hour 14 minutes
Episode 6 – 1 hour 13 minutes
Episode 7 – 1 hour 38 minutes
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Geez the episode lengths of part 1 is crazy.
Episode 1 – 1 hour 16 minutes
Episode 2 – 1 hour 15 minutes
Episode 3 – 1 hour 3 minutes
Episode 4 – 1 hour 17 minutes
Episode 5 – 1 hour 14 minutes
Episode 6 – 1 hour 13 minutes
Episode 7 – 1 hour 38 minutes
WOW...almost all over 70 minutes long! And I had no idea Part 1 was going to be SEVEN episodes, while Part 2 is the final two:
July 1, final two episodes:
Episode 8 – 1 hour, 25 minutes
Episode 9 – 2 hours, 30 minutes
Seems a little unbalanced in terms of release, and honestly, I could've seen them release 1-4 this weekend, 5-7 in two weeks, and then the final two, but whatever. I guess Episode 7 is going to have a HUGE cliffhanger then, especially since the final two episodes are nearly epic-movie-length combined. Cannot wait! I'm finishing up Season 3 tonight in my marathon rewatch this week.
-Marc.
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Imbalance between two "acts" of a story bothers me sometimes (see The Astonishing). But that said, if that ends up being the logical breaking point and really makes sense within the context of a well told story, so be it.
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I think there might be some logical break between the last two episodes and the rest. From what I remember, they said the primary reason for splitting the season was because the special effects were not ready for the 2nd part.
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I think there might be some logical break between the last two episodes and the rest. From what I remember, they said the primary reason for splitting the season was because the special effects were not ready for the 2nd part.
Makes me wonder if the season could've benefitted from being split into 3 or even 4 parts, just to keep the hype and attention going for awhile, especially since it'll be "competing" with Obi-Wan Kenobi this weekend.
You'd think they would see how fan engagement is driven up by weekly releases, but I guess they couldn't get away with that if it's somehow a contractual thing with Netflix. I'm hoping the final two episodes look amazing if they're taking the extra time for VFX.
-Marc.
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I think there might be some logical break between the last two episodes and the rest. From what I remember, they said the primary reason for splitting the season was because the special effects were not ready for the 2nd part.
Makes me wonder if the season could've benefitted from being split into 3 or even 4 parts, just to keep the hype and attention going for awhile, especially since it'll be "competing" with Obi-Wan Kenobi this weekend.
Interesting thought. I had kind of forgotten about Kenobi. I guess I'll watch it. The kids will probably want to promptly take in each episode upon release, so we'll probably do that. Not sure if they will want to watch Stranger Things, but I know I will be all over it. I guess I'll be putting Queen of the South on hold for a bit. :lol
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Started season 4, with the first episode. I'll probably watch an episode per day (I mean, they're so long anyway, no way I'm gonna watch two episodes in an evening).
Boy did the boys grow up!
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Started season 4, with the first episode. I'll probably watch an episode per day (I mean, they're so long anyway, no way I'm gonna watch two episodes in an evening).
Boy did the boys grow up!
That was my first thought! man have these kids grown up.
Geez that first episode, they've really upped the intensity of the horror and gore by the looks of it. Some of it was really intense.
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Seriously...if that was the beginning, we're in for one hell of a ride this season. Great stuff as always though, everything about this show is so well done.
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I’ve been catching up with this show over the last week and I binged the entire new season yesterday (Thanks, COVID)
A lot to think about, and there’s still 2 more episodes to come, one of which is 2.5 hours long :omg:.
This is a lore-driven season, where all the pieces start to fall into place. It seems like the opposite of LOST in a way, and I say that as someone who loved and understood LOST. The people in charge of ST actually seem to have a plan and an explanation for everything, and so far it all makes sense. Still plenty of questions to be answered.
What is the Mind Flayer’s role in all of this? And what is his endgame?
Is Vecna the MF?
Did 11 create the Upside Down when she threw 001 through the mirror? Or did she just open the door to it for the first time?
Why is the Upside Down stuck in 1983?
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Holy crap...that ending scene to Ep4 with Max....that's right up there with the best stuff this show has given us.
They do this so....fucking....good.
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You do not lie friend. I'm partway through episode 5 right now.
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I'm at the second episode.
I'm ashamed to say I forgot about Robin. She stole season 3. Glad to see her again.
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I can't get Running Up That Hill out of my head now.
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We only have ep7 to go and I am loving this season. The references back to so many 80s horrors and thrillers have been so fun to see/hear. They're done so well, they aren't corny or kitschy.
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Wow....EP7....I'm completely fucking speechless.
Perfection. Can't wait for July.
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Finished up earlier today, great stuff. I didn't expect everything to fit together as well as it did towards the end of episode 7. Bring on the last two episodes!
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We will start it tonight as a family. More excited about it now reading through the comments here than what I was seeing from the ‘professional’ reviews.
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Wow....EP7....I'm completely fucking speechless.
Perfection. Can't wait for July.
Same. I just finished Episode 7 earlier and WOW, I was blown away. All the pieces have started to fall into place and the lore and world-building are breathtaking.
Also, the music and cinematography are top notch this season. Everything is just so good. There were some odd CGI moments here and there, but overall I enjoyed everything.
-Marc.
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Finished the season last night, here's my non-spoiler review.
This season has evolved the show in the horror and gore aspect and that was surprising at first but I guess in line with how the season progresses. I think it's more from the lens of the kids as they have grown to be older and are teenagers in high school and the violence they see is more horrific.
What I'm most happy how the story progresses in each episode and almost always defies your expectation on how the setups go. They've always done this where you think it's going one way but turns out to be something else.
The character pair-ups are fantastic as always some new, some old, and I have to hand it to them the showrunners always come up with interesting ways to pair them and make it work.
I have to say that episode 4 of season 4 is probably my favorite episode of the entire series, it's so well done and the ending was executed extremely well.
They had an excellent episode 7 and stops at a very satisfying point for a breather yet I already want the next two episodes already.
My initial impressions are this is by far my favorite season and I really can't wait for the last two episodes, we've already gotten a treat of a show with these super long 7 episodes. I personally loved the length of each and was pleasantly surprised that they went by so fast.
They have the obvious 80s nods to shows, music, movies and IMO did them really well. Going to rewatch with the wife, though I know already she's going to not love this season as much as me.
I can't get Running Up That Hill out of my head now.
Same here! can't get this song out of my playlist!
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I thought ep 7 was a little drawn out more than needed in some scenes, but thats such a small dent to what was a great 7 episodes. Only other issue I had - it was very in-your-face, in-case-you-missed-it, here-it-is-for-the-eighth-time, to reveal the real villain. Like, we got it 4 minutes ago, don't need to keep making it more clear.
Can't wait for the next 2 episodes. I'm glad they come only in another month. I don't want to wait much longer than that and forget everything!
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I really liked episode 7.
One of my only complaints is that almost every time the cast runs into an apparent dead end, one of the characters (usually Dustin) will suddenly come up with a wild ass pull theory that just happens to miraculously work. It feels like I can hear the script writers communicating the logic of what is going to happen next straight to the audience rather than it being a believable* evolution of thought.
*I realize we're talking about believability in a show about psychic children and paranormal monstrosities. I get it.
Also... "That one episode" from season 3, almost nobody liked, where she went to Illinois and met the other strange kids. Will that ever be relevant again?
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Also... "That one episode" from season 3, almost nobody liked, where she went to Illinois and met the other strange kids. Will that ever be relevant again?
Season 2, actually. I skipped that episode on my rewatch since it's such an outlier and completely disrupts that season.
Number 8, the main girl from that episode, was mentioned at least once this season. Though she doesn't appear outside of a brief flashback. Maybe she'll make an appearance in the last two episodes. I can't imagine they'll retcon or abandon that storyline entirely.
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I see a lot of people saying that this new season is way better than 2 or 3. I loved 1, but could barely get through 2, and then bailed on 3 pretty quickly, so the question is, will I be lost watching Season 4 after having not watched all of 3 (and having little to no memory of much of the show in general since it has been years since I watched any of it)?
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A lot of the stuff in season 4 is built on events that occur in season 3, so you'll probably lose context in a lot of scenes. They probably won't have the impact if you haven't watched prior seasons. Not sure if S4 will change your mind if previous seasons weren't as compelling.
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Here's something that'll blow your mind if you look at how the kids have aged up since Season 1.
The first season happened in November of 1983, the day Will Byers disappeared was the 6th of November. The beginning of Season 4 is March 21st, 1986 - just two years, four months, and two weeks after the beginning of season 1. I mean, kids definitely hit puberty hard between 7th grade and 9th grade, but it a bit jarring, especially given that most of the main party of four are nearing 20 now (and were 18/19 during the filming of Season 4), Lucas in particular definitely looks quite a bit older than he probably should be. Same goes for Eddie (though explaining why he looks older makes sense), but Jonathan is close to/is 30 and definitely looks more like a teacher in high school than a senior in high school. Granted, the kids and teens being older than they should be really kind of falls in line with how actors were cast in 80s films and media anyway, so in a meta way it kind of makes sense.
I see a lot of people saying that this new season is way better than 2 or 3. I loved 1, but could barely get through 2, and then bailed on 3 pretty quickly, so the question is, will I be lost watching Season 4 after having not watched all of 3 (and having little to no memory of much of the show in general since it has been years since I watched any of it)?
A lot of the stuff in season 4 is built on events that occur in season 3, so you'll probably lose context in a lot of scenes. They probably won't have the impact if you haven't watched prior seasons. Not sure if S4 will change your mind if previous seasons weren't as compelling.
I agree. Season 4 does a lot to call back to Season 3 and there's a lot of things happened that you'd need context for going into Season 4. If you want to wait until the rest of Season 4 to go up (on July 1st) before you decide to dive back into the series and see how people react to the S4 finale, that's cool. You definitely have time to rewatch and catch up before the last two episodes drop too.
My worry is that the stakes this season have ramped up so much that I can't imagine what they'll do for the fifth and final season.
-Marc.
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My worry is that the stakes this season have ramped up so much that I can't imagine what they'll do for the fifth and final season.
-Marc.
EPISODE 7 SPOILERS
Yeah, they've done such a masterful job of painting Vecna as the big baddie, and the center of the whole Hawkins lab disaster and the rip in space time that started the whole series, I really can't imagine where they'll dig further for an even more intense story, unless Vecna isn't vanquished in this season.
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they kind of framed Vecna a little like Voldemort or Vader in some ways. It was well done, however, how he came to really desire to use his abilities I'm not fully clear on. Maybe I missed something in how he explained it to Eleven.
edit: it's purely that he believes people end up in a cycle of life like a clock, nothing changing (born, grow up, have job, family, grow old and die), etc..i guess.
Also the age part.
What year is it when the Creel's buy that house? 1955? 1958?
if Henry is who is he is and meets Eleven in 1979, that would make him at least in his mid or late 20's at least. Maybe even in his early to mid 30's. Unless he found some way to manipulate time or aged slower?
I liked a lot of what theyve done this season (agreedwith the ending of Episode 4 and Kate Bush's 'Running up that Hill"), however I kind of feel the way they've separated the groups, like they did in Season 3, some of the cast chemistry is not what it was. I mean they wrote it so it connected the dots in some ways, but, it's like the ensemble cast is so big, they felt the needed to created multiple plots to allow them all to have a purpose.
I do wonder a bit about Eleven and what the 2 sides are wanting to do with her. The military group and the Lab with Owens and Brenner. Just her to fight the Mind Flayer and its Army? Will they bring back Kali/8?
Given the show will only go 1 more season, the origins of the Upside Down I gotta believe are going to be largest focus. I wonder if a lot if not all of it traces back to Brenner.
I was just looking for information about Season 5 and noticed there is a spinoff planned:
https://bamsmackpow.com/2022/05/27/last-season-of-stranger-things-season-5-happening/
The good news is that the Duffer Brothers apparently have a spinoff already in the works, so while season 5 will be the show’s last, there is a hope that Stranger Things will live on beyond season 5 in some way. As for when season 5 might arrive? We’ll that remains to be seen, but we’re hoping it won’t take quite as long as season 4 did to complete!
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What year is it when the Creel's buy that house? 1955? 1958?
if Henry is who is he is and meets Eleven in 1979, that would make him at least in his mid or late 20's at least. Maybe even in his early to mid 30's. Unless he found some way to manipulate time or aged slower?
It was 1959 when the Creels moved into their new house in Hawkins, and Henry was 12. That means he's 32 when he's helping Eleven at the facility. When I first saw him there, I thought he was in his mid-20s but early 30s doens't seem much of a stretch. That makes him 39 in the present time of 1986. That also makes Eleven eight years old when the massacre happened in 1979 as she is 12 in 1983/the first season.
I liked a lot of what theyve done this season (agreedwith the ending of Episode 4 and Kate Bush's 'Running up that Hill"), however I kind of feel the way they've separated the groups, like they did in Season 3, some of the cast chemistry is not what it was. I mean they wrote it so it connected the dots in some ways, but, it's like the ensemble cast is so big, they felt the needed to created multiple plots to allow them all to have a purpose.
Yeah I can understand that feeling a bit. I both like and dislike the separating of the cast into smaller groups. It's neat to see the creative team giving each group their own sort of 80s-nostalgia-driven film plot on their own (Russian prison escape/spy thriller for Hopper/Joyce/Murray, A Nightmare On Elm Street for the Hawkins crew, a sci-fi/horror aspect for Eleven, and some action adventure stuff for the California crew). It creates a bit of a narrative divide as we bounce back and forth between them all, especially since there's a lot going on OUTSIDE of Hawkins this time (unlike previous seasons where the story was pretty much all in Hawkins), so it feels even more apparent this time around as we're even across the globe. I think it'll pay off in the end when all of these story lines begin to come together, especially as we see Eleven's story and the Hawkins Crew's story come together at the end of episode 7, so I am wondering how Hopper's escape will come into focus with the rest of the story (which seems to be the biggest outlier so far).
I do wonder a bit about Eleven and what the 2 sides are wanting to do with her. The military group and the Lab with Owens and Brenner. Just her to fight the Mind Flayer and its Army? Will they bring back Kali/8?
Given the show will only go 1 more season, the origins of the Upside Down I gotta believe are going to be largest focus. I wonder if a lot if not all of it traces back to Brenner.
I think destroying the Upside Down will probably be the final endgame for Stranger Things, but then I wonder what this will be about, if it happens after Season 5:
I was just looking for information about Season 5 and noticed there is a spinoff planned:
https://bamsmackpow.com/2022/05/27/last-season-of-stranger-things-season-5-happening/
The good news is that the Duffer Brothers apparently have a spinoff already in the works, so while season 5 will be the show’s last, there is a hope that Stranger Things will live on beyond season 5 in some way. As for when season 5 might arrive? We’ll that remains to be seen, but we’re hoping it won’t take quite as long as season 4 did to complete!
A spin-off? Given the amount of backstory we seem to be getting this season, I can't imagine the spin-off will be a prequel, but if Season 5 wraps things up nicely for everyone in/from Hawkins, then I can't imagine a decent sequel. A side-story might be neat, but only if it isn't focused on 008/Eight. It was a neat diversion for Eleven, but I can't see a whole series about Kali and her group. I honestly cannot think of what else a Stranger Things spin-off could be about... maybe a time-skip into the 90s? The fun thing about this series is that, if they wanted to return to the world of Hawkins in the 90s, they just have to wait a few years and let the kids grow up a bit more and they'd be aged up perfectly for a time-skip for a spin-off.
-Marc.
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The fun thing about this series is that, if they wanted to return to the world of Hawkins in the 90s, they just have to wait a few years and let the kids grow up a bit more and they'd be aged up perfectly for a time-skip for a spin-off.
I could see something like this happening in the final season. With Stephen King's "It" being such a clear influence on this series, an ending where the kids are grown up and have to come back to Hawkins to deal with something from the Upside Down one last time just makes sense.
With as much world-building as they've done the last two seasons, I would like the final season to scale things down and go back to the show's roots and have everyone in one place rather than scattered across the world.
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I see a lot of people saying that this new season is way better than 2 or 3. I loved 1, but could barely get through 2, and then bailed on 3 pretty quickly, so the question is, will I be lost watching Season 4 after having not watched all of 3 (and having little to no memory of much of the show in general since it has been years since I watched any of it)?
A lot of the stuff in season 4 is built on events that occur in season 3, so you'll probably lose context in a lot of scenes. They probably won't have the impact if you haven't watched prior seasons. Not sure if S4 will change your mind if previous seasons weren't as compelling.
I agree. Season 4 does a lot to call back to Season 3 and there's a lot of things happened that you'd need context for going into Season 4. If you want to wait until the rest of Season 4 to go up (on July 1st) before you decide to dive back into the series and see how people react to the S4 finale, that's cool. You definitely have time to rewatch and catch up before the last two episodes drop too.
My worry is that the stakes this season have ramped up so much that I can't imagine what they'll do for the fifth and final season.
Okay. Based on what you both said, I probably won't bother with it as I cannot see myself forcing myself to watch Seasons 2 and 3 just so I understand 4, considering I thought 2 was a drop-off and 3 bored me so much that I jumped ship, so I will see myself out. :biggrin: :biggrin:
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So finished watching the 7 available episodes. I mean, I see that a lot of people are enjoying this season so I'm not going to rain on that parade. It's definitely entertaining.....certainly much darker than we've seen....it's still a 'fun' show but for me the 'magic' of the series is gone. S1 was so different and hit in a sweet spot when it was released that it was just awesome. Since then....it's tailed off from being this unique story told in a cool way to just another sci fi / action show. Which doesn't mean it's bad per say but I'm just not feeling or seeing the magic as I said and rate S3 and S4 as just 'average'....with S2 being a mixed bag that led to the average plateau.
Pretty rudimentary writing IMO.....and the actor for Will is clearly out of his league now as his scenes and dialogue are pretty rough to get through. It's not good at all and I'm wondering if that's why in the first season they had that actor basically missing the entire time to cover the fact he's the weakest link when it comes to acting. The actor for Dustin is great....and the other kids do fine but all in all I see this show as having ran it's course and cannot imagine a S5 has anything remotely new to offer. I'd love to be surprised but I think Netflix chose the 'cash in' route with this show rather than lets tell an incredible succinct story in three seasons and it's showing in the predictable writing and simple storylines they've thrown at us now for the past three seasons.
Judging from the comments I know I'm in the minority on these opinions....and again...I don't think it's 'bad' and was entertained and enjoyed the episodes...just think it's just another show that had an incredible first season leaving no way to match that acclaim....and has struggled to provide anything in that realm since.
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I don't think it's 'bad' and was entertained and enjoyed the episodes...just think it's just another show that had an incredible first season leaving no way to match that acclaim....and has struggled to provide anything in that realm since.
Sounds like most people's opinions on NBC's Heroes, one of my favorite shows. Like Stranger Things has become, Heroes was a show that followed a lot of individual story lines from various characters/groups, and when it came time for a climax, they all intersected, which seems to be the trend for Stranger Things now.
As for your other concerns, I can see why some might feel that Will Byers has been pretty much left alone. His role in the series has really diminished and it feels like the writers really aren't sure what to do with him at this point. I think sticking him with his brother and Mike so far this season has been a way for the writers to get them all to do something this season, but so far, there hasn't been a lot of pay-off in that area.
Since it's known that Season 5 will be the last one, I wonder just how much of climax the next two episodes will provide, or if the season will end on a HUGE cliffhanger that will be continued into the final season. Honestly, with nearly four hours of material left for Season 4, I would hope they wrap up the Vecna story and then use Season 5 as a way to tie every loose end together from the previous four seasons and give the surviving characters some sense of finality to their plot lines.
-Marc.
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I don't think it's 'bad' and was entertained and enjoyed the episodes...just think it's just another show that had an incredible first season leaving no way to match that acclaim....and has struggled to provide anything in that realm since.
My wife has the same outlook, she doesn't think anything was as good as the first one. She didn't hate the following seasons but just liked them. I'm sure she's not going to care much about the new season as well. I know the violence alone is going to put her off.
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I'm not sure if I agree that the actor for Will is out of his league so much as it is that, as has already been said, I think the writers don't know what to do with him. I found his struggle with his and Mike's friendship uninteresting and boy whoever decided to put that poor actor through the HORRIBLE combination of that awful hairstyle and that outfit should be fired :lol I know it's accurate for the era but with how old he looks now it looks sooo awkward.
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I'm not sure if I agree that the actor for Will is out of his league so much as it is that, as has already been said, I think the writers don't know what to do with him.
In Season 2, when they're trying to exorcise the Mind Flayer from Will, Joyce says that Will's birthday is March 22nd. This Season begins on March 21st, and everyone seems to have forgotten about Will's birthday, even Will himself. Poor kid can't catch a break.
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I'm not sure if I agree that the actor for Will is out of his league so much as it is that, as has already been said, I think the writers don't know what to do with him. I found his struggle with his and Mike's friendship uninteresting and boy whoever decided to put that poor actor through the HORRIBLE combination of that awful hairstyle and that outfit should be fired :lol I know it's accurate for the era but with how old he looks now it looks sooo awkward.
I get what you're saying but never mind the wardrobe choices and poor storyline between him and Mike.....when he does get a chance to 'act' it's simply not good. The actor for Mike has been given pretty lame dialogue and scenes as well this season but at least he makes it tolerable with a bit of acting chops.
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One thing that's been sticking with me is that when Erica rolls the Natural 20 in the D&D game that wasn't an automatic guarantee that she killed him. He still had 15 HP's left and depending on the weapon she was using....even though damage would have been doubled.....he still might have survived. But she'd still have had to roll for damage as well....she could have rolled a 1 and only delivered 2 HP's of damage. A natural 20 isn't an automatic kill shot.
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One thing that's been sticking with me is that when Erica rolls the Natural 20 in the D&D game that wasn't an automatic guarantee that she killed him. He still had 15 HP's left and depending on the weapon she was using....even though damage would have been doubled.....he still might have survived. But she'd still have had to roll for damage as well....she could have rolled a 1 and only delivered 2 HP's of damage. A natural 20 isn't an automatic kill shot.
OK... Your geek cred is solid for the next decade with that observation
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One thing that's been sticking with me is that when Erica rolls the Natural 20 in the D&D game that wasn't an automatic guarantee that she killed him. He still had 15 HP's left and depending on the weapon she was using....even though damage would have been doubled.....he still might have survived. But she'd still have had to roll for damage as well....she could have rolled a 1 and only delivered 2 HP's of damage. A natural 20 isn't an automatic kill shot.
OK... Your geek cred is solid for the next decade with that observation
:lol I'll take it.
It's been a minute since I've played but know that it was super fun and I have some fond memories of it.....your DM makes or breaks how fun it is and ours was awesome.
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Haha this exchange highlights another little goof in the season when they show the screen with the "hacker" and the code is like modern code and not stuff that was in the 80s. Plus don't remember a GUI with a mouse interface being available in that time frame as well.
You'd think a show about nerds watched by nerds would pay attention to details that the nerds would easily identify.
Also no surprise that the weekend viewership broke all sorts of Netflix records for the new season.
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I'm at episode 5.
Loved how the protagonist of episode 4 got through, if the episode had ended bad for this character, it would have been such a bummer.
Btw, refresh my memory.... didn't the guy who resurfaced in the lab in episode 5 got gruesomly killed at the end of season 1? or I misremember things?
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Way behind on this thread, and intentionally so, since I haven't finished the episodes yet. But this is FAR surpassing expectations so far. The end of episode 4: :clap:
I'm sure this half season is going to end on a cliffhanger that is going to have me throwing things at the screen. But I can't wait to get there, and for the final episodes.
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Way behind on this thread, and intentionally so, since I haven't finished the episodes yet. But this is FAR surpassing expectations so far. The end of episode 4: :clap:
I'm sure this half season is going to end on a cliffhanger that is going to have me throwing things at the screen. But I can't wait to get there, and for the final episodes.
I thought the same thing. But it’s not as much a “cliffhanger” as it is a “revelation”. And for that reason, I found it more satisfying than maddening. It was the perfect place to pause and take a breath. Can’t wait for the last two episodes.
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I thought season 3 was a bit of a dud, but Season 4 is fantastic. It has far surpassed my expectations. Episode 7 was just excellent.
The one new character I don’t care for is the stoner pizza delivery dude. He seems to be there for comic relief, but I just find him irritating.
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is Steve in trouble?..I must admit, after what happened to him in the upside down, his condition wasn't or has not really fully been addressed.
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Finished all the seven episodes. Great stuff.
This could serve as a whole season of its own, glad to know there are two more episodes coming, but knowing they were 2 episodes behind, couldn't they just release one episode per week and make it a summer event? not that I'm complaining about having seen one episode per day, rather than per week ;D
Loved the various pairings, and how things in the mythology were tied. Can't wait to see the fireworks in episodes 8 and 9!!!
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I have yet to watch the final episode, so I am being careful what I read and what I don't. But some brief thoughts on the structure so far:
-Episode 1 was pretty slow. I know it was just setting things up, but my lowered expectations seemed to be right on point through this one.
-2 was still a bit slow, but the show was getting better.
-3 and 4 were a huge step up and were the best pair of episodes out of the entire thing I have seen. 4 in particular was spectacular and may be in the running for my favorite episode of the entire 4 seasons.
-5 and 6 weren't bad, but were a step down from 3 and 4. They seemed more to be about setting up 7 and beyond than in trying to be good in their own right. And that's fine.
-Can't wait for 7.
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I loved this season and the feel that it's just a full-blown horror movie. Eddie Munson has become one of my favorite characters and I love that they brought in a metalhead, given the setting in 1985. And that whole scene with Max had me on the edge of my seat.
I can't wait for the last two episodes!
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I loved this season and the feel that it's just a full-blown horror movie. Eddie Munson has become one of my favorite characters and I love that they brought in a metalhead, given the setting in 1985. And that whole scene with Max had me on the edge of my seat.
I can't wait for the last two episodes!
1986, late March specifically, but yeah, Eddie is a great addition to the cast. I really hope he's able to return for Season 5, but also hope he finally graduates high school! :lol :metal
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Watched episodes 6 and 7 last night. Have been staying away from this thread in case of spoilers. But, wow - I'm blown away by this season. The biggest and best to date, IMO.
The pacing, tension, visuals, acting, plots - smashed it. Really excited to see what happens in the last 2!
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You're in for a treat!
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I want to speak on the bullying in this episode. I was bullied in jr high and high school, I'm glad they're showing how pointless and stupid it is, and how it makes victims feel. That bitch Angela and her stupid friends are why kids shoot up schools!!! I'm glad she got clocked with that skate, acts like that are the only thing that will stop them. I know it's just a TV show, but I wanted to kick those kids asses myself. Physical damage will heal, mental damage does not. Over 30 years later, I'm still mad about how I was treated for no damn reason.
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I too was bullied relentlessly through grade school and jr high. And was never the same person. There’s always someone ready to take someone else a step down and I always seemed to find myself on the lowest rung.
That being said, now that it’s all behind me, I look at how my life turned out, and how theirs turned out.
I am a man of peace, and I’m happy today that I chose the course of peace. I don’t carry around any resentment. So even though younger me wishes he had the balls to retaliate…older me is glad I never went down that path. I don’t wish anyone a “skate to the face”. Their behavior reflects the course they are on. They will stay the way they are, and that’s punishment enough.
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Same man...and I carried that shit way too far into my adult life.
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Finished episode 7 so up to date. Overall I enjoyed it. There were some really great parts but also some parts that didn't work too well for me. I felt the whole Hopper/Murray/Joyce/Russia story line was really farfetched (yeah I know it is tv) and just really detracted from the rest of the show. The Eleven flash back scenes, while very important overall, kind of dragged along as well. Also, it felt weird that in the whole episode 7 (I think) we didn't at all see Mike/Jonathon etc at all. I guess they are being saved for the remaining 2 episodes. My kids loved every second of it though...
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I can understand those criticisms... They are spread very thin as far as stories go... Makes me think Part 2 might be a cliffhanger, with Vecna being the big baddie in perpetuity.
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I read somewhere the last episode of this season (episode 9) is going to be 2.5 hours long!
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I felt the whole Hopper/Murray/Joyce/Russia story line was really farfetched (yeah I know it is tv) and just really detracted from the rest of the show.
Once you accept the premise that someone is held captive and other people try to rescue him, it's less farfetched than the russians being able to build a damn superlab beneath a mall :D
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I read somewhere the last episode of this season (episode 9) is going to be 2.5 hours long!
Yep, I posted the running times for the final two episodes earlier in this thread:
Geez the episode lengths of part 1 is crazy.
Episode 1 – 1 hour 16 minutes
Episode 2 – 1 hour 15 minutes
Episode 3 – 1 hour 3 minutes
Episode 4 – 1 hour 17 minutes
Episode 5 – 1 hour 14 minutes
Episode 6 – 1 hour 13 minutes
Episode 7 – 1 hour 38 minutes
WOW...almost all over 70 minutes long! And I had no idea Part 1 was going to be SEVEN episodes, while Part 2 is the final two:
July 1, final two episodes:
Episode 8 – 1 hour, 25 minutes
Episode 9 – 2 hours, 30 minutes
Seems a little unbalanced in terms of release, and honestly, I could've seen them release 1-4 this weekend, 5-7 in two weeks, and then the final two, but whatever. I guess Episode 7 is going to have a HUGE cliffhanger then, especially since the final two episodes are nearly epic-movie-length combined. Cannot wait! I'm finishing up Season 3 tonight in my marathon rewatch this week.
-Marc.
The final two episodes will be nearly 4 hours in total! It'll be an event for sure!
-Marc
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I think the Duffer brothers or the director Shawn Lewy recently confirmed the official season finale run time to be 2hr 15 mins.
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Wow. Episode 7 was just...wow. A LOT of things tied together in a really satisfying way, going all the way to season 1. Suddenly, nothing that has happened, nor who it happened to, nor why is random. :clap:
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Wow. Episode 7 was just...wow. A LOT of things tied together in a really satisfying way, going all the way to season 1. Suddenly, nothing that has happened, nor who it happened to, nor why is random. :clap:
Yeah, they really pulled it together nicely.
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Wow. Episode 7 was just...wow. A LOT of things tied together in a really satisfying way, going all the way to season 1. Suddenly, nothing that has happened, nor who it happened to, nor why is random. :clap:
Yeah, they really pulled it together nicely.
Season 2 of Sarah Connor Chronicles was kind of like that too where you had all these seemingly disparate, separate story threads going on that didn't seem like they had anything to do with each other, and then suddenly, everything came together brilliantly in the end. I'm still bitter that they canceled that show before it finished.
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You just had to reopen that wound, didn't you? Why don't you just tease a second season of Firefly while you're at it.
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:lol
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I felt the whole Hopper/Murray/Joyce/Russia story line was really farfetched (yeah I know it is tv) and just really detracted from the rest of the show.
Once you accept the premise that someone is held captive and other people try to rescue him, it's less farfetched than the russians being able to build a damn superlab beneath a mall :D
Ha! Yes, very true!
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You just had to reopen that wound, didn't you? Why don't you just tease a second season of Firefly while you're at it
STILL TOO SOON :sadpanda: :sadpanda:
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You just had to reopen that wound, didn't you? Why don't you just tease a second season of Firefly while you're at it
STILL TOO SOON :sadpanda: :sadpanda:
:lol sorry bro....never forget the April 1st I dropped that meme at 5am and nailed everyone before they had a chance to wake up. I must've fooled half my FB timeline :lol
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I think the part of season 4 that has been released is excellent. Looking forward to the final episodes!
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Just finished Ep. 4. Slow moving but like it so far.
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Season 4 Vol II Teaser
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1eTBNYgIpA
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I got done watching season 4 again with the wife. She surprisingly loved it quite a bit, said it was the best season after the 1st. On 2nd viewing I really got to appreciate the plot points develop and story unfold. The longer lengths of the episode never felt boring at any point. I really can't wait for the last two parts to arrive. Good thing there are several shows to fill the gaps while we wait.
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What am I doing wrong that this image doesn’t post???
Quote my post and you will see an imgur link in an img tag…but it just comes up blank. I don’t get what I’m doing wrong.
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I’m not completely tech illiterate. I’m not like Tim with pop-culture references. :laugh: I actually know my way around the computer just enough to make me dangerous. But I’ve always had this problem on this forum and it baffles me
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What am I doing wrong that this image doesn’t post???
Quote my post and you will see an imgur link in an img tag…but it just comes up blank. I don’t get what I’m doing wrong.
How's this? The img tags only work when you have a url that is of the image itself, i.e. ending in an image file name like jpg, gif, or png. Otherwise it won't show up. If you right-click on the picture and open it in a new tab, you should find the image url itself and not the page the image loads on like on imgur.
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THANK YOU!!!
Ok cool. I’ll see if I can go back and fix it.
But ya…my wife legit saw these at Walmart. It’s real. We’re having two of them for dinner tonight.
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HA!! It worked!! Thank you Marc!
These are the cut out glasses that come on the boxes.
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those pizzas are actually not bad.
My wife liked the Supreme one.
We also found the ST themed Doritos at Walmart the other day.
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Spoilers below!!
Finally watched through the first 7 episodes of Season 4....
I'm amazed at how well they tied everything together. About halfway through episode 4 I turned to my wife and said I have 2 theories. The guy that was helping Eleven in the flashbacks is either One or Vecna. And then the slow reveal happened. It was amazing!
Now I have all kinds of theories about the nature and existence of the Upside-Down, now that we know why there was a portal there to begin with. Looking forward to finding out. July can't come quick enough.
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Spoilers below!!
Finally watched through the first 7 episodes of Season 4....
I'm amazed at how well they tied everything together.
Yeah I also just finished it last night and that 7th episode was really good, actually felt like the writers had a long term plan that's paying off. Very good season overall, my only issue is the Mike, Will, Johnathon section wasn't great (really didn't like the wackiness of them at Dustin's Girlfriends house).
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Spoilers below!!
Finally watched through the first 7 episodes of Season 4....
I'm amazed at how well they tied everything together.
Yeah I also just finished it last night and that 7th episode was really good, actually felt like the writers had a long term plan that's paying off. Very good season overall, my only issue is the Mike, Will, Johnathon section wasn't great (really didn't like the wackiness of them at Dustin's Girlfriends house).
I actually thought it brought a little needed lightheartedness to the story. Everything else had been so bleak up to that point.
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OK, so when the first part of season 4 dropped, I remembered that, due to life happening and whatnot, I had never actually watched season 3.
So, I watched a recap of season 2 (since that seems SO LONG AGO now), tore through season 3, and just finished episode 7 of season 4.
THAT WAS PRETTY GOOD.
I loved the revelations in episode 7. Still curious to see how the expatriates get out of Mother Russia.
I only have one complaint about the season, which is Holy Shit at these episode lengths! I mean, they don't drag or anything, they aren't overly long per se, but they just aren't as convenient to my personal watching habits when they are that long. I wanted to watch seven TV episodes, not 7 movies.
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I only have one complaint about the season, which is Holy Shit at these episode lengths! I mean, they don't drag or anything, they aren't overly long per se, but they just aren't as convenient to my personal watching habits when they are that long. I wanted to watch seven TV episodes, not 7 movies.
I can see that but for me....I love it!! Especially because as you say....they don't drag, they're choc full of good stuff so it's great!! I wish all the other streaming shows would follow suite....I can't stand the 38-42 minute stuff....gimme more!!!
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I only have one complaint about the season, which is Holy Shit at these episode lengths! I mean, they don't drag or anything, they aren't overly long per se, but they just aren't as convenient to my personal watching habits when they are that long. I wanted to watch seven TV episodes, not 7 movies.
I can see that but for me....I love it!! Especially because as you say....they don't drag, they're choc full of good stuff so it's great!! I wish all the other streaming shows would follow suite....I can't stand the 38-42 minute stuff....gimme more!!!
I get that. But with, for example, almost any other show I watch, I could watch an episode before work in the morning, and another at lunch. Can't really do that with this season. Just pieces of episodes at a time. I would rather have more episodes than longer episodes.
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I only have one complaint about the season, which is Holy Shit at these episode lengths! I mean, they don't drag or anything, they aren't overly long per se, but they just aren't as convenient to my personal watching habits when they are that long. I wanted to watch seven TV episodes, not 7 movies.
I can see that but for me....I love it!! Especially because as you say....they don't drag, they're choc full of good stuff so it's great!! I wish all the other streaming shows would follow suite....I can't stand the 38-42 minute stuff....gimme more!!!
I get that. But with, for example, almost any other show I watch, I could watch an episode before work in the morning, and another at lunch. Can't really do that with this season. Just pieces of episodes at a time. I would rather have more episodes than longer episodes.
I'd take that trade as well considering the abbreviated episode lengths most of the streaming shows have.
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I don't know about abbreviated. I know that's how the episodes are on Disney +, but most of the shows I watch on streaming services have episode lengths of close to an hour. Long enough to where if they were shown on regular network or cable TV, the commercials would make the episodes exceed an hour.
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EP 8 was good!!!
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Wow what an ending... The countdown for Season 5 is too long. Even if it was tomorrow, one day is too long.
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Agreed! Season 5 is going to be such a loong wait. That was an amazing ending two episodes. Fantastic stuff!
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Total agreement..... bring it on now!!!
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Wow what an ending... The countdown for Season 5 is too long. Even if it was tomorrow, one day is too long.
-Marc.
Agreed!
I just hope they don’t take 2+ years to deliver.
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Wow what an ending... The countdown for Season 5 is too long. Even if it was tomorrow, one day is too long.
-Marc.
Agreed!
I just hope they don’t take 2+ years to deliver.
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but from what I've read, Season 5 probably won't come any sooner than early 2024. So maybe at MOST two years, but I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't slightly more than two years.
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Yeah I was anticipating it would be around that time. I think there's also a spinoff show in the works. No idea who or what it's about.
I believe they also said season 5 will be a few years into the future.
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Finished the last two episodes…….it was alright. Judging from the comments I know I’m in the minority when it comes to the overall enthusiasm for this season. To me it’s the best season since S1 BUT…..it’s not like it blew the doors down. I think this show like a few of them out there that have a few seasons under their belt is struggling to find a good continuing story. There were some fun moments and all but for me at least it was just a middle of the road type season.
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Master of Puppets was released March 3rd, 1986. This season takes place in late March 1986. Eddie is a fast learner.
Really enjoyed the last two episodes.
Not a fan of Max’s fake out death. They pulled this with Hopper already and I wish they had the balls to just kill a main character other than someone like Eddie who’s obviously a one-season character.
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Agree 10000% with your small font Metropolaris. Wasted opportunity to really up the stakes and give some backbone to the show. Instead they went with the obvious.
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Master of Puppets was released March 3rd, 1986. This season takes place in late March 1986. Eddie is a fast learner.
Really enjoyed the last two episodes.
Not a fan of Max’s fake out death. They pulled this with Hopper already and I wish they had the balls to just kill a main character other than someone like Eddie who’s obviously a one-season character.
There were many of us who were standing in line…before the store opened…waiting for the new Metallica album on release day.
Just sayin.
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Master of Puppets was released March 3rd, 1986. This season takes place in late March 1986. Eddie is a fast learner.
Really enjoyed the last two episodes.
Not a fan of Max’s fake out death. They pulled this with Hopper already and I wish they had the balls to just kill a main character other than someone like Eddie who’s obviously a one-season character.
Yeah, no teen obsesses over a new release and learns the lyrics, music over 6 months. Hell, a huge song from the album! :lol
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Fantastic stuff, really enjoyed it. I kind of agree with the small font, but I'm glad she's still around as well.
Funny side note I saw elsewhere, you all remember the video of the music school covering Pull Me Under with that adorable young girl singing? Seems they had a stun double guitarist for the Metallica scene who is a student there, I saw the schools FB page post about it.
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Master of Puppets was released March 3rd, 1986. This season takes place in late March 1986. Eddie is a fast learner.
Really enjoyed the last two episodes.
Not a fan of Max’s fake out death. They pulled this with Hopper already and I wish they had the balls to just kill a main character other than someone like Eddie who’s obviously a one-season character.
There were many of us who were standing in line…before the store opened…waiting for the new Metallica album on release day.
Just sayin.
For sure! My comment wasn't meant as a criticism or anything, I thought that scene was awesome. Eddie seems like the exact type of guy who would do exactly what you said, and then spend every second of free time learning that album.
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Master of Puppets was released March 3rd, 1986. This season takes place in late March 1986. Eddie is a fast learner.
I was wondering about this as well. That's one dedicated guitar player and a Metallica fan right there. :tup
Regarding the small font part, I dunno. I am happy that not all shows are trying to be Game of thrones. It's sometimes a relief that a character sticks around and you're almost confident they will be fine. :lol
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Me personally thought that season 4 was one of the best season of the show. I get that season 1 is held to a very high standard because it was new and it had a charm and all the 80s nostalgia mixed into it along with a really fun ride the whole way through. I think season 4 progressively took the show to a very proper place among the lore that the show built. It had a ton of story going on and the characters were already established so nothing else for them to show apart from how they progress along. I didn't mind the extra long episodes, I really enjoyed every minute of it. I wasn't bored for a second. It hit all the emotional beats for me and whatever deaths/non-deaths were all fine by me. It certainly wasn't perfect, had many eye-roll scenes but in the scheme of things it didn't detract for me.
Season 5 is probably 2024 at the earliest, I'm hoping it's summer at least, but yeah the wait is going to be very long.
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A little surprised they didn't bring back Ms. Kelly and the possibility she is connected to Vecna.
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Finished the show as well. Great stuff. Nice to see Eleven unleashed (the helicopter scene!), and Eddie having the most metal concert ever :metal
A pity they couldn't destroy Vecna for good, but I guess they needed a final villain for the last season.
Argyle was a low-key top player, he helped a lot through his always-stoned facade :D
Didn't expect to see basically the Upside Down crawl to the surface, we're in for an all-out last season! pity we'll have to wait and see the guys grow even more but hey, we waited this long for season 4, we'll find other gazillion shows to watch to bide our time.
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Finished the show as well. Great stuff. Nice to see Eleven unleashed (the helicopter scene!), and Eddie having the most metal concert ever :metal
A pity they couldn't destroy Vecna for good, but I guess they needed a final villain for the last season.
Argyle was a low-key top player, he helped a lot through his always-stoned facade :D
Didn't expect to see basically the Upside Down crawl to the surface, we're in for an all-out last season! pity we'll have to wait and see the guys grow even more but hey, we waited this long for season 4, we'll find other gazillion shows to watch to bide our time.
I was shocked to find that Max is a 20 years old actress, that girl looks like 13-15 to me. By the time the new season arrives they all will certainly look much more older.
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Very late to the discussion, as jingle.son and I decided to push watching Part 1 closer to when Part 2 would drop. All done now, and wow... just fantastic.
Now I have all kinds of theories about the nature and existence of the Upside-Down, now that we know why there was a portal there to begin with. Looking forward to finding out. July can't come quick enough.
Mostly just want to point out that somewhere along Part 1, jingle.son predicted that Henry was indeed 001, Vecna, AND little Creel. I'm like "yeah, whatever" 001 - sure, that wasn't too hard to call; Vecna ... maybe; kid-Creel... no way - I didn't think the dates/ages lined up. But alas!
There was a lot that was farfetched, almost too much, but I still enjoyed the fuck out of it. I thought the aging of Mike's actor was the most jarring; Lucas a close 2nd. Really had to park that in the back of my brain, but they both stuck out like a sore thumb.
Also... Eddie will be back. jingle.son has done some digging, and apparently in D&D lore, Vecna has a vampire as his #2 (or ... puppet). Eddie was eaten by bats and his body remained in the Upside Down. Hardcore fans caught puppet and bat tats on him .... it's all connected. MoP as the song wasn't just a random choice.
Perfect cliffhanger .... and yeah, it's gonna be a long wait.
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:metal
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Great season! I could list a bunch of cons, but to be honest it's qualities far outweighed those. Great characters, nice visuals and solid action. I thought they did a good job stringing the overlapping story together.
As for the cast ageing. I only thought Nancy and Jonathan do not look like they are about to attend uni. But this is super common in film/tv to be honest. They all killed it in terms of acting.
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If someone would care to help me and the wife out: we struggled with the ending of Episode 1, along with other points in Episode 2, especially the torture, so we had enough.
Should we continue, or is there a lot more of the same? Thanks in advance.
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You're going to see it a few more times, though I think the shock of seeing it the first time is the most surprising aspect of it. I would say it's about the same with a few more of those moments here and there.
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If someone would care to help me and the wife out: we struggled with the ending of Episode 1, along with other points in Episode 2, especially the torture, so we had enough.
Should we continue, or is there a lot more of the same? Thanks in advance.
The torture to different characters is shown at least 4 1/2 times in total if I recall correctly.
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Vecna said he needed 4 portals, thus 4 killing, no portal opened when he killed his mom, right?
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Vecina said he needed 4 portals, thus 4 killing, no portal opened when he killed his mom, right?
Those kills weren't in the upside down though right? He killed his family when he was still a kid and not Vecna.
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Vecina said he needed 4 portals, thus 4 killing, no portal opened when he killed his mom, right?
Those kills weren't in the upside down though right? He killed his family when he was still a kid and not Vecna.
oh, yes, you are right.
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Finished up last night. Very satisfying.
Eleven is great, but it seems they will need numbers 2 - 50 to help out with what has happened to Hawkins.
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Me personally thought that season 4 was one of the best season of the show. I get that season 1 is held to a very high standard because it was new and it had a charm and all the 80s nostalgia mixed into it along with a really fun ride the whole way through. I think season 4 progressively took the show to a very proper place among the lore that the show built. It had a ton of story going on and the characters were already established so nothing else for them to show apart from how they progress along. I didn't mind the extra long episodes, I really enjoyed every minute of it. I wasn't bored for a second. It hit all the emotional beats for me and whatever deaths/non-deaths were all fine by me.
All of that. I have a hard time coming up with how it could have been better. What season 1 had in terms of newness, this season had in terms of really cohesively tying everything together and feeling really solid all around. And while there were a few odd moments that felt sort of retconned (can't think of them off the top of my head), it really felt like the Duffers had a solid plan/story all along.
Also, just a comment on some of the exposition: There were two LONG moments of exposition in these final two episodes. The first where Eleven learns what REALLY happened back at the lab and why she didn't remember. The second was Vecna revealing his true nature, what the upside down is, and how it all fits together. When it comes to movies/tv, I have seen increasing criticism of these types of moments rather than finding more clever ways to "show" us instead of "tell" us. But I actually didn't mind these and thought they were done pretty well. And there was so much to convey to show us how things in the prior 3 seasons connected to what we were seeing in season 4 that I'm not sure it would have worked as well to connect the dots if done any other way.
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Finished up last night. Very satisfying.
Eleven is great, but it seems they will need numbers 2 - 50 to help out with what has happened to Hawkins.
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Nice.
I thought it was extraordinary TV. The balance of tones (horror/80s high school/drama/comedy) combined with great acting, direction, music/sound and pulling together the previous seasons was terrific.
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Only an episode and a half into season 4 so far, but I'm absolutely hating El's story arc. Why is every single teenager in Lenora a complete psychopath? Millie Bobby Brown is still a great actress but everything about this story is just terrible.
The rest of the show is ok so far, although almost all the cast are way too old for their characters now and it's really weird. :lol
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I mean, teens are horrible in general, so it does check out.
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I mean, teens are horrible in general, so it does check out.
This.
I mean, Ariich is right, but I just took it as a given that this was HS in a nutshell.
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I mean, teens are horrible in general, so it does check out.
This.
I mean, Ariich is right, but I just took it as a given that this was HS in a nutshell.
Well, yes and no. As with much of the show, it is not meant to be a direct representation of H.S. during that period, but is meant to be a caricature of H.S. It is an exaggeration, but based on real world examples and stereotyping/hyperbolizing them for effect.
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It is a direct representation of Junior High though...god what a fucking cesspool those years were.
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I think in each and every single movie or show about high school, bullying is portrayed only as physical violence and intimidation, I must have seen a thousand times the jock pinning down the scrawny kid against the lockers, threatening him to get money or whatever. There's no subtetly, bullying in movies and shows = physical intimidation, stop. There are dozen ways teenager are cruel to each other and rarely they involve violence. I, too, was bullied at school, but I was never hurt or threatened with pyhsical violence.
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I think in each and every single movie or show about high school, bullying is portrayed only as physical violence and intimidation, I must have seen a thousand times the jock pinning down the scrawny kid against the lockers, threatening him to get money or whatever. There's no subtetly, bullying in movies and shows = physical intimidation, stop. There are dozen ways teenager are cruel to each other and rarely they involve violence. I, too, was bullied at school, but I was never hurt or threatened with pyhsical violence.
It's not only the physical bullying, even the emotional cruelty is brutal - like when she was talking about her "dead" "dad" as her hero and everyone else carried on ripping into her and mocking her and the teacher was pretty unfazed by it.
Likewise I was also one of those kids subjected to bullying at school, and I saw worse experienced by others, but I've never seen anything remotely close to what apparently happens constantly in this school in Lenora.
Of course, I'm not American. I'm not convinced that it is, but if this really is supposed to be a meaningful representation (caricature or not) of high schools in the US, then it might explain how their adults turn out. :neverusethis:
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I'm pretty sure the average high school in the US doesn't have 95% of super hot teens with ripped bodies, who suspiciously look like 25 :P
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I'm pretty sure the average high school in the US doesn't have 95% of super hot teens with ripped bodies, who suspiciously look like 25 :P
You'd be surprised lol
But yeah, I would say there is some exaggeration, but not too far from how kids are around this part of the world.
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Remember … this is mid 80s, and our understanding and approaches with bullying and abuse were very different than now, or even in the 90s.
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I was bullied in grade school and it was pretty close.
Specific things may not have happened exactly like they did in the show…but the meanness was a very typical thing. Close enough that it gave me flashbacks of actually being terrified to go to school.
I suppose that’s why these stories hit home. Because many of us lived our daily lives that way. And seeing a fantasy story about someone like us who suddenly had the power to balance the scales feels satisfying.
That being said, I don’t hold anything against any of the people who did anything to me. I’m sure they learned it from a place that gave them their own nightmares. I just hope they all found peace.
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Remember … this is mid 80s, and our understanding and approaches with bullying and abuse were very different than now, or even in the 90s.
Exactly. The time the show is currently set (Spring 1986), I was in 8th grade, soon to enter high school.
I didn't see anything depicted on the show that seemed completely unrealistic based on what I remember.
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I just love this show so much. There's nothing else quite like it. I've actually enjoyed it more and more as it's become more and more absurd. The Eddie guitar scene, for example, is ridiculous but it's also just straight up iconic and the most metal thing ever. I can't wait for the final season, and before it comes out, I plan on going back through the show from the beginning because honestly I've forgotten a lot of it. :lol
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Well, it's not that ridiculous if you think of it.
The plan was to make noise to distract the bats, any kind of loud noise would have worked.
Since he was at it, why not just embellish it? he had to risk anyway, he took the occasion to basically play a concert "in hell" 'cause it was a once in a livetime event.
Russians being able to build a superlab beneath a mall is far more far fetched than a metalhead killing two birds with one stone (pratical need to distract creatures with noise, and the desire to "play in hell").
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Well, it's not that ridiculous if you think of it.
The plan was to make noise to distract the bats, any kind of loud noise would have worked.
Since he was at it, why not just embellish it? he had to risk anyway, he took the occasion to basically play a concert "in hell" 'cause it was a once in a livetime event.
Russians being able to build a superlab beneath a mall is far more far fetched than a metalhead killing two birds with one stone (pratical need to distract creatures with noise, and the desire to "play in hell").
I think they do a consistently good job of connecting the dots in such a way that even something appearing absurd at face value can be made to feel completely appropriate. Eddie playing Master of Puppets in hell looks and sounds kind of crazy but it works perfectly in the show. By the end, even the Russia sub-plot totally worked for me. Like I said... This show completely rules! :metal
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My stepson has never seen Stranger Things before, but he’s obviously heard a lot about it and been curious about it. So last night, we started over from the beginning and watched the first two episodes.
I’m wondering to myself if I will notice things differently now that I know the cause and source of the upside down. It’s a bit soon to tell for sure.
One thing that leaped out at me was how massively different the boys looks…and how the girls hadn’t really changed much at all. Especially Millie. With her buzz cut she looks almost the same in season 1 as season 4.
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Finished rewatching season 1 last night.
I was wondering if some things from season 1 would take on more meaning now that I’ve seen season 4. One big one that my wife pointed out - Will was kept safe by singing his favorite song!! :eek
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Finished rewatching season 1 last night.
I was wondering if some things from season 1 would take on more meaning now that I’ve seen season 4. One big one that my wife pointed out - Will was kept safe by singing his favorite song!! :eek
That's a cool little nugget there. I want to do a run through as well but man, there are about 6 other shows I started and want to finish, plus 2 more that I need to start (What we do in the shadows and Umbrella Academy).
I'm most interested in re-watching Season 1 and 2.
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There’s lots of stuff I didn’t remember. I actually thought that the mind flayer was in season one. But that doesn’t happen until we get Will‘s deeper story in season two.
This has been kind of fun especially because my stepson has been meaning to watch it for a long time, but never got around to it. Now we are all watching it as a family and it’s his first time.
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I too rewatched them all recently and Season 2 was actually really good, they tease that Papa may not have died in season 1 and it's why El doesn't try to look for him.
When you watch the whole show it's really jarring to see how old the kids grow from start to finish.
Good catch on the song that Will sings to keep himself safe, I knew about it just didn't connect it to the latest season. Will acted really well in season 2 and I kinda wish they gave him a role that brings that out. I think in season 4 either the actors skill changed or the material didn't give them enough to do. They were very timid in their roles/acting in the last season.
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(https://i.imgur.com/ypPBax4.jpg)
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Eddie Munson meeting the guys of Metallica backstage
https://youtu.be/ox84cr4JqNU
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Eddie Munson meeting the guys of Metallica backstage
https://youtu.be/ox84cr4JqNU
He looks completely different than he did on Stranger Things. Plus, I didn't know he’s British.
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Eddie Munson meeting the guys of Metallica backstage
https://youtu.be/ox84cr4JqNU
That's awesome and wholesome and metal :metal
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Master of Puppets was released March 3rd, 1986. This season takes place in late March 1986. Eddie is a fast learner.
Really enjoyed the last two episodes.
Not a fan of Max’s fake out death. They pulled this with Hopper already and I wish they had the balls to just kill a main character other than someone like Eddie who’s obviously a one-season character.
The Duffer Brothers have confirmed that Max is brain-dead, plus Brenner alluded to the fact that Vecna absorbs people when he kills them. I'm guessing she's stuck inside Vecna's mind and has to do battle there while the rest of the squad fight him on other fronts.
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I laughed so hard with this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NY7HHkjGks
:rollin
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My daughter loves this show. It is her #1 passion right now. We just got back from ABQ and she went to the roller skating rink featured in the show (I don't watch it so hopefully you all know what I am talking about). I wasn't there - they went before I flew in, as they got there before me - but my wife said she couldn't remember a time when my kid was so giddy.
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Haven't drawn in years, so I tried a thing.
(https://i.imgur.com/L2m2SiE.jpg)
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Nice!!!
That’s some impressive work right there!
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Great job!
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:tup
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The fam powered through all four seasons over the last month and were thoroughly entertained. It was a trip telling my son I was the exact age of those kids during the years it is set and I was basically them, the dorky outcast type.
Can’t wait for season 5!